[00:01] and I think I'll pass on the webmin idea. :P [00:02] I would start with a basic firewall and then work your way up. It only really takes like 10 rules to get a very good state-based firewall going [00:02] the rest is just added fluff like some rudimentary port scan detection, maybe some brute force stuff via the recent match [00:03] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: "leaving" [00:04] SiegeX: sounds like good advice to me. I do have an working arno-firewall on the firewall now, so just a matter of shutting it down, and starting mine. [00:04] sending things off to their own custom chains just makes it harder to debug IMHO because its no longer procedural, it now jumps back and forth like a sub routine [00:05] I've never done much iptables reading before, but am now. :) [00:05] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [00:06] Guys, if i've got the latest Slackware & an ATI card, what should i do? [00:07] Anyone know why "libffi" shows up at SBo in this query for "compiz" and Slack 12.2 : http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=compiz&sv=12.2 [00:07] what's the libffi for? [00:07] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:07] Aslate: what card, it depends [00:07] chopp: Heh, that's fine. No skin off my back, just wanted to give you options. the GUI is nice and helpful and you still get to learn iptables the way how it's laid out. [00:07] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:07] x700 [00:08] Aslate: I had a x850 two years ago and i used ATI drivers. [00:08] There's drivers on the site, i've just installed then and it's crapped itself [00:08] *them [00:08] Aslate: Probably because it didn't create the xorg.conf properly. [00:08] Aslate: there not supported by the binary releases anymore, so you'll need to use 'radeon' that comes with slack, or older binary blobs with buildscritps at SBo [00:08] It never did when i used it. [00:08] lucasagomes (n=lucasgom@189-47-243-107.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [00:09] you might have two device sections. [00:09] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:09] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-229-156-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:10] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-229-156-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:10] Old_Fogie: ORLY? wow, ati said FU to all those people eh? wow, that was a dumb move. [00:10] agentc0re: yup, I'm back to windows cuz of it [00:10] So i just finished watching, http://securitytube.net/Ten-Cool-Things-You-Did-Not-Know-About-Your-Hard-Drive-video.aspx. Really interesting stuff there. [00:10] So how should i go about this then? [00:10] Old_Fogie: Ack. [00:10] I ran the aticonfiggy command [00:11] Aslate: read what I said there I told ya [00:11] Old_Fogie: Do you have an agp card, is that why? I mean, you can get a nvidia card fairly cheap. :D [00:11] good ones too. [00:11] How do i use radeon? [00:11] As you said, radeon that comes with slack [00:11] agentc0re: agp yes, but they're many of them bought at retail in the last two years. [00:12] Aslate: yes radeon comes with slackware. see 'man radeon' you'll see the options you can use, but typically it's just Driver "radeon" in lieu of Driver "vesa"; [00:13] Ok, i'll have a dig about with that then [00:13] you can run the Xorg -configure script as well, just dont forget to add the Section "DRI" at the tail end of the xorg.conf file. [00:13] Old_Fogie: It says that they still support it in their docs. [00:13] Aslate: there's also slackwiki too [00:13] agentc0re: they dont. they havent updated the docs in forever. [00:14] https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/catalyst_92_linux.pdf [00:14] agentc0re: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_r500_legacy&num=1 [00:14] they dropped a *ton* of stuff [00:14] that link there gives ya links to a bunch of others [00:15] Oh, so the 9.2 is an older driver (not by much right now). [00:15] basically, unless you got an 'hd' card, from this year, you gotta use the foss drivers [00:16] radeonhd for the Radeon HD series. [00:17] err, I said that wrong, basically, the hd cards that are really new use binary blobs, and that's about it [00:17] else is radeon, or radeonhd [00:19] agentc0re: basically, it's "here's the sourcecode you asked for, we're dropping support for stuff we gave you code for, k-thanx-bai" [00:20] Where's the source for those old chips then? [00:20] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:20] Old_Fogie: Wow... [00:20] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-130-53.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: "rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.2.1" [00:20] agentc0re: yea top that off with, novell just laid off one of the devs for radeon, so a big "..." for us radeon users then I s'pose [00:21] ccfreak2k: the ati wiki has (or did) have links [00:21] I'm only aware of one set of docs released by AMD, and those were for the R600. [00:22] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:22] there's alot more code dumps than that [00:22] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:22] well, according to what I read at phoronix, I have no use for it, so I never d/l it to verify [00:23] hellanio (n=hellanio@201008245156.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "valeu PiterPunk... \o/" [00:24] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[00:42] darn cad didnt workee for me :) [00:42] steerpike: testing newer versions [00:42] seeing how it faires vs freenx [00:42] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.173.193) left irc: "leaving" [00:43] i've couldn't even install freenx, let a lone write a slackbuild, which i was attempting :\ [00:43] steerpike: alien bob has buildscrippages at his site [00:44] that's for an old version [00:44] really old [00:44] I had to muscle my way thru my install of freenx, it's not scripted [00:45] Old_Fogie, you need thicker glasses. [00:46] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:47] :) [00:49] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-229-156-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:49] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-229-156-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:51] ccfreak2k: you wanted updated mumble slackbuilds? [00:52] Yes. [00:52] tpollard_ (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [00:52] i was actually working on it months ago, but SBo wasn't accepting submissions because it was switching to 12.2 [00:52] i eventually merged mumble + murmur build scripts together [00:53] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [00:53] Nick change: tpollard_ -> tpollard [00:53] O. [00:53] sitwon_ (n=adam@pool-173-79-73-120.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:54] I don't think it makes sense to merge the scripts unless they still make two seperate packages. [00:54] no, it was my idea to put them in separate packages in the beginning [00:54] it comes from the same source package [00:55] murmur is just the server component for mumble [00:55] Yes, I realize that. [00:56] someone from staff told me there was no reason to keep them separate, etc, etc [00:56] The idea is that most people would either want one or the other. [00:57] O. [00:58] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:01] sitwon__ (n=adam@pool-173-79-55-215.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:02] nille_ (n=nille@c-5163e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:04] sitwon (n=adam@pool-173-79-55-178.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:04] I came across this and thought I'd share it here. I just thought it was kind of neat. http://bash.org/?870063 [01:06] cHiOs (n=chio@adsl-75-50-251-55.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:07] Nick change: sitwon__ -> sitwon [01:08] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [01:12] _ohm (n=mark@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [01:12] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) joined ##slackware. [01:12] sitwon_ (n=adam@pool-173-79-73-120.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:14] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:15] bird (n=lee@96.240.45.172) joined ##slackware. [01:18] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:20] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:25] firebird619: Dude that's awesome!. [01:30] C-Peemp0 (n=John@190.240.37.152) left irc: "Leaving" [01:32] agentc0re: Yeah, I thought so too. [01:33] It's sure different. I wonder what channel that was on. [01:33] just found out that ktorrent wont run after that current huge update ... any help ? [01:34] Our architecture lecturer mentioned that ICC produces far better code than GCC, are there any problems with compiling the linux kernel using ICC? [01:36] ktorrent: error while loading shared libraries: libstreamanalyzer.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [01:37] DeeeeP: I don't know anything about that error, but I am on current and ktorrent works fine. [01:37] I have KDE 4.2.1 installed as well. [01:37] u using current [01:37] DeeeeP: Yes. [01:37] can u check for that lib , please ? [01:38] on /var/log/packages/ [01:38] DeeeeP: I'll look, give me a sec. [01:38] http://packages.slackware.it/package.php?q=current/strigi-0.6.3-i486-1 [01:39] agentc0re: I just scrolled up, and I meant no offence with my webmin comment. I have just heard a nasty story or two about the app. [01:40] DeeeeP: I don't find it in /var/log/packages. I tried a slackpkg search to see if that showed anything, but it didn't. I do have that file in /usr/lib/ though. [01:40] Aslate: at one time it was possible to patch the Linux kernel so it'd compile with icc [01:40] not sure those patches have been kept up to date, plus the compiler is a moving target itself [01:41] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [01:41] firebird619, did u grep -i libstreamanalyzer * ? [01:41] on /var/log/packages/ ? [01:41] Urchlay, can i happily use it to compile other apps? [01:41] DeeeeP: Yeah, I am trying that right now. [01:42] that would give me the package [01:42] if u have it installed , should be tgz packaged [01:43] DeeeeP: Yes, it's strigi. I guess that was what ccfreak2k was maybe referring to when he gave that link above. :) [01:44] Aslate: generally, yes. The kernel isn't written in ANSI C, it's written in "GNU C" (the dialect of C supported by gcc)... most apps at least have pretensions of being ANSI C compliant [01:44] cant understand why i dont have that lib [01:44] DeeeeP: Do you have that lib and it's just not the right version? Just a thought. [01:44] Aslate: you might take all this with a grain of salt BTW: I'm going by memory (it's been at least 5 years since I messed with icc) [01:44] i dont have it ... that grep on me wont show nothing [01:45] _ohm (n=mark@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [01:46] Oh, that's nice of them [01:46] root@darkstar:/var/log/packages# ktorrent: error while loading shared libraries: libphonon.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [01:46] another missing lib [01:46] Although saying that, trying to get ICC going atm... [01:46] DeeeeP: Are you on KDE4? [01:46] nope [01:47] but i am on current [01:47] DeeeeP: I guess I should ask, do you have it installed. KDE4.2.1 is what's in -current iirc, did you not install it? [01:47] Current replaced KDE3 with KDE4. [01:47] Ah Ha. I was right. :) -current is KDE 4.2.1 right? [01:47] firebird619, i didnt skip any current update , just using xfce 4.6 [01:48] Could it maybe be not having the kde3 compat stuff installed? [01:48] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) joined ##slackware. [01:48] libphonon is part of phonon...which is in KDE 4. [01:49] Aslate: at some point Intel got rid of their freely downloadable version... dunno if the newer versions of the compiler have a free/demo/eval downloadable version [01:49] ccfreak2k: He was missing strigi too, wouldn't that have been installed when upgrading to current? [01:50] again, I'm 5 or so years out of date... better check the site [01:50] now ktorrent wont run , no error given [01:50] wtf [01:50] DeeeeP: :D Something isn't right somewhere. [01:51] dont know what [01:51] DeeeeP: Me either. Sorry. [01:52] Urchlay, they still have the free one there, but the installer script complains it's not for my architecture [01:53] hrrr, what's it expecting, and what's it say you have? [01:54] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:54] Give me nothing useful, i downloaded the IA64 version, got a Core2Quad [01:54] Sorry, the Intel64 version [01:55] isn't a core 2 quad x86_64 (or emt64, whatever intel calls it)? I thought ia64 was the Itanium [01:56] Yeah, didn't mean to type ia64, their website says the "intel64" is for the Core2 line [01:56] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-69-135.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving." [01:58] er, and, are you running a 64-bit Linux distro? [01:58] As far as i remember i downloaded the 64 bit Slackware [01:58] if you're running Slackware, the 64-bit extensions are completely ignored [01:58] Hmmn? [01:58] tk3000 (n=tk3000@adsl-68-255-63-207.dsl.lgtpmi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [01:59] there is no 64-bit Slackware... unless you're talking about Slamd64 (in which case you ought to ask in #slamd64?) [01:59] In which case i did something wrong :/ [01:59] I think i lept in a bit quick and obviously skipped something important... [01:59] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:59] hello, does anyone has one of these lenovo netbooks and would know how to disable the thinkvantage think, is the thinkvangate (windows recovery) located in solid state memory somwhere? [02:00] Slackware = 32-bit x86 only (used to be an s/390 port too)... anything else like slamd64 might be "based on Slackware" but isn't officially slackware... [02:00] The s390 port is dead again? [02:00] Yes, x86_64/EM64T isn't IA64. He probably knows that, though. [02:00] Seems like it's so niche. [02:00] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [02:00] Motoko-chan: eh, actually I dunno that 100% for sure... looks like it's stuck at 10.2, though [02:00] Ok then, back to Ubuntu 64 or i won't get this coursework done in time! [02:01] Aslate, just ask in the right channel? [02:01] ccfreak2k: what, ia64 is niche? true, but the compiler he's trying to run is made by Intel... [02:01] Aslate: hm. Did you install plain ol' Slackware? [02:01] I meant s/390.. [02:01] Yeah [02:02] Or ask here, but expect a bit of confusion from those not running 640-bits [02:02] 64-bits [02:02] I don't think anyone is running 640 bits... [02:02] ccfreak2k: oh, right. I'm not even entirely sure what an S/390 actually is, beyond "some kind of IBM mainframe" [02:02] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:02] Nope, just found out i made a big mistake and installed the wrong thing entirely [02:02] Motoko-chan: 640 bits ought to be enough for everyone! [02:02] Urchlay, one would hope [02:03] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S/390 Ooooools! [02:03] Action: Motoko-chan was trying to make a proper Alpha port at one point [02:03] Aslate: when/if you get ready to mess with 64-bit Slackware... www.slamd64.com and #slamd64... I'm not being paid to say this, I'm just a happy user :) [02:03] Urchlay, I'm an old user. [02:04] Action: Motoko-chan is still running two servers on 10.2 (no, not 10.2b. 10.2) [02:04] Aslate: the good news is, 99.9% of what you just did to get slackware installed, also applies to slamd64 [02:04] grah how do i scim [02:04] Indeed [02:04] Motoko-chan: slamd64 10.2? I finally upgraded from that right around november last year [02:04] Urchlay, yes. [02:05] heh, i will have a proper look at that when i can, although Intel say it's not officially supported on Slackware so i'm just gonna stick to a supported Linux and get the coursework out the way [02:05] Then have a real look into 64-bit [02:05] Motoko-chan: my ex-employers are (I just found out) running my own crappy port of 10.0 to x86_64 [02:06] Nice. [02:06] I mean it's not crappy in the sense that it doesn't work [02:07] $ cat /etc/slackware-version [02:07] Slackware 10.2.0 (x86_64) [02:07] $ uptime [02:07] 23:07:23 up 267 days, 23:02, 1 user, load average: 1.40, 1.32, 1.18 [02:08] It was up over a year at the previous DC. [02:08] but it's not multilib... and the slackbuild scripts I hacked up to build the distro, only existed on the hard drive of my personal workstation (which is long gone) [02:09] Nice and fragile then [02:09] wasn't intended to be that way [02:09] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:09] It never is. [02:10] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:10] as usual in that job, the PHB types looked at my prototype and went, "Oh, it looks finished, let's use it like it is!" [02:10] heh [02:10] which is still an improvement over the "I sold a system that does X, so now you have to write one" tactics they favored [02:11] lol [02:11] I'm running some crazy stuff internally. [02:11] But I am the sysadmin, so hey. [02:11] Not too crazy. [02:11] An eight year old DNS webapp for one, but I am slowly working on cleaning it up since the original dev abandoned it. [02:11] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:12] originally I was half sysadmin, half developer... but I did too good of a job of sysadmin (everything ran so smoothly, they decided they didn't need an admin, so I was "protomoted" to full-time dev...) [02:12] Prefe (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:12] er, promoted... though "protomoted" sounds like it ought to mean something, too...... [02:15] protomoted = moved in as a prototype? [02:16] I work at a small company, so I wear many hats [02:16] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [02:16] sysadmin, network admin, voip admin, backup admin, helpdesk, pick-up coder, ... [02:16] ugh. Sounds like my old job [02:16] fortunately didn't have to deal with voip [02:17] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:17] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:17] I need to find a good Linux softphone. [02:17] I can't find anything decent. [02:18] and only ever had to deal with users if my boss was at lunch (internal users were apparently all afraid I'd murder them, and clients I wasn't supposed to talk to because I have a tendency to always tell the truth...) [02:18] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:18] lol [02:18] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:18] i feel a lot better after reading all that [02:18] ...like...it's not just me [02:18] like, "Oh, hey, you're right, you found a bug in XYZ app. Let me see what it'll take to fix it, I'll get back to you" [02:18] I should come out of retirement and work with Motoko-chan ; at least you don't have to take out garbage, and squash bugs. [02:19] I do all those things now that I'm retired, at least I'd get paid for it :) [02:19] find & fix bug in 20mins, call customer back, "OK, the fix is being tested, and should be in production first thing tomorrow morning" [02:19] instead of a pat on my back from the boss, I get "Don't you *ever* admit there's a bug in the code!!" [02:20] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) left irc: "Leaving" [02:20] nullboy: did your boss have the idea that he could teach you how to not be antisocial? [02:21] so every bug really is just a feature that need tweaking...riiiigghtt [02:21] Urchlay: my bosses put me in the lab and rack area...they knew [02:21] I was sorely tempted to tell the boss "right, and I can teach you how to not be colorblind" [02:21] hmm, anyone know how to find out what is using a device? [02:22] edman007: lsof /dev/whatever [02:22] edman007: like a module ? [02:22] mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sdc1: Device or resource busy [02:22] lsof is not reporting it... [02:22] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [02:22] I'm in a small company, so the internal users know me all too well. [02:23] and rebooting is not really an option, this won't come back up as is [02:23] Although they know the first answer I usually give is "no". [02:23] doing web development for a colorblind boss, I could have gotten away with lots of stuff... see http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/fuck-the-colorblind/ [02:23] sounds like my wife [02:23] lol [02:23] ... [02:23] Urchlay: you brutal SOB [02:24] that;s more punk than even i'd be [02:24] naw, I just thought about it, didn't actually *do* it :) [02:24] I need to finish working on the SlackBuilds for my new media server. [02:24] lol [02:24] Action: Motoko-chan is moving from FreeNAS to a custom Slackware install, and a larger HDD [02:24] I store my music and anime on a machine at work for the workers to partake. [02:25] I also usually have latest IT Crowd on it too [02:25] you work somewhere where you're not the only person who'd be interested in anime? [02:27] lucky bastard... [02:28] but how does a polar bear know what apples is? [02:28] deplorable (i=1000@207.144.235.141) joined ##slackware. [02:29] you talking about the polar bear + apples in gigantic ice cube? [02:29] spook, they know, their food is commonly stuffed with apples [02:30] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [02:30] Hello everyone. I thought I'd ask a quick question before bed. I've just completed a clean install of Slack (Windows is gone; only Slackware remains), visited SlackBuilds, downloaded a source tar.bz2 and it's script. [02:30] it's a red or green thing inside ice, they can see it [02:31] I unpacked the script tar.gz and it created a it's own subdirectory. I wanted to have everything, the original downloads and the unpacked files, in one directory. [02:31] Nick change: RaeGrepus -> superGear [02:32] Can I move the unpacked files to the directory I set up or is there a reason it created it's own directory; something will go wrong if I put the original downloads and unpacked files in the same directory before the build? [02:32] deplorable: move the source tarball into the build script dir [02:32] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.24.5) joined ##slackware. [02:32] you want the sources to be in their archive form and that archive inside the extracted build script dir [02:33] if the sources are not in the build script dir, the .Slackbuild will fail... [02:33] so: tar xvf buildscript.tar.gz && mv source.tar.gz buildscript/ && cd buildscript && ./buildscript.Slackbuild [02:33] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:33] Yes, but I was wondering if I could move the script into the directory with the original script download and src tar.bz2. Would building with the tar.gz script in the same directory be a problem? It would get thrown into the package? [02:34] ok [02:34] I can move the source back to the storage dir I planned to burn to disc after the build? [02:34] the command you gave...that's what it would do. [02:34] yes? [02:35] sure. Also might want to burn the build package to disc, to avoid having to rebuild it next time [02:35] ok. [02:36] Thanks for the help nullboy lowkyalur and Urchlay. [02:36] I like symlinking the sources into the script dir [02:37] I'm not good with symlinking yet. I hear they're like Windows shortcuts, but am not comfortable enough to try that just yet. [02:37] but apparently I'm weird cause I also like running "sh whatever.SlackBuild" instead of ./ (consequently I always forget to make them executable, probly annoys the hell out of the SBo admins...) [02:38] deplorable: fair enough. Walk before you run, and all... [02:38] i just manually +x the .Slackbuild out of habit ;) [02:38] Just so I know, putting everything, including the compreseed downloads, before the build would pack the compressed downloads into the package? [02:39] "putting everything into one directory" [02:39] naw [02:39] the script won't try to include the source archive in the package [02:40] ok. I was thinking of another mistake I made with mkpkg yesterday. [02:40] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-185-124.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:40] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-185-124.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:40] I accidentally packed a bunch of random files into what was supposed to be a video driver package. :( [02:41] ouch [02:41] lol. Fortunately, I looked at the package before it could do any damage. [02:41] but the real meaning of "learn by doing" has always been "learn by fucking up" :) [02:42] I only reinstalled today to kill Windows. :) It's finally dead. [02:42] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [02:43] I was on 2k and just couldn't pay $200 to upgrade so I'm in the process of going all Linux. [02:43] true [02:43] very true [02:44] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.20.83) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:44] Is there a standard reputable source for Linux/Slackware device drivers? [02:44] yes , the kernel :) [02:45] tk3000 (n=tk3000@adsl-68-255-63-207.dsl.lgtpmi.ameritech.net) left irc: "User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby" [02:46] deplorable: one of the major differences between Linux and Windows is that the vast majority of device drivers are included in the kernel ("first party" rather than third party) [02:47] there are 3rd party drivers, and they're a pain: they have to get updated separately when the kernel changes... [02:47] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [02:47] I have to deal with the proprietary ATI drivers for my AGP 4xRadeon 9550. [02:48] deplorable, scanners from 'sane' ; printers from 'cups' or 'hplip' ; video cards from 'xorg' 'ati' 'nvidia' ; wireless from 'kernel' 'madwifie' 'ndiswrapper' . so it's a mixed bag, depends on what you need. [02:48] I also have a LinkSys Draft N card in my laptop I'd like to keep. The laptop is still on XP until I can find a way to use that with Slackware. [02:49] deplorable, the video card is radeon, that's not supported withati binary [02:49] radeon from xorg in slackware that is [02:50] xorg.conf? It wasn't listed. Only "VESA". [02:50] that's the stock issue xorg file from slackware, it's the 'play it safe' file from the installer. [02:50] good morning Old_Fogie [02:50] ya your card is supported by the radeon driver in xorg just use that [02:50] deplorable, look at slackbook.org it'll help ya out on that [02:50] dtanner, hiya [02:51] deplorable: basically you edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and replace 'Driver "vesa"' with 'Driver "radeon"' [02:51] ok. [02:51] duryo_ (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-070ca5e0f3ed3c63) joined ##slackware. [02:52] Nick change: duryo_ -> duryodhan [02:53] ok. Now I get it. The SlackWiki page mentioned the open source xorg Radeon drivers and the proprietary. I didn't translate xorg. I'm about two hours into the proprietary download. lol [02:54] I guess I'll let it finish and store it somewhere. [02:54] dial-up [02:55] is that the one from amd.com? [02:55] ouch [02:55] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [02:55] yes [02:55] 79 MB over dial-up. It won't finish until the sun comes up. [02:56] Right now, I'm getting a solid 3KB/sec. lol [02:56] o_O [02:56] yeah its a big file like 70 megs or something [02:57] Any thoughts on the LinkSys Draft N Adapter? [02:57] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423524.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:57] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423524.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:58] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423524.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:58] probably ndiswrapper, do you know what chipset it is? [02:58] LinkSys doesn't appear to officially support it's use with LInux. [02:58] yeah ndiswrapper allows you to use windows drivers [02:59] you'll find damn near nothing is "officially supported" with Linux [02:59] I can look up the chipset. [02:59] consumer gear, anyway [02:59] somehow stuff works fine without official support though :) [03:00] I've going to try to convert my old 2.4GHz Dell Latitude C640 if I can keep the adapter. [03:00] That's the goal, at least. [03:00] :) [03:02] that's a laptop? the adaptor is built in or removable? [03:02] So far, Slackware has been great. I've settled on Blackbox for a WM but like the console too. I even played with Lynx a little. :) [03:02] removable. [03:02] PCMCIA/CardBus [03:02] man, you have no idea how rare it is... usually people moving over from windows are either scared of the console or think it's too hard to learn [03:03] It's easier than the command prompt. [03:04] The commands actually make sense. [03:04] but I suppose removing the card would imply having to buy another one to replace it... [03:04] yeah, they do [03:04] rename is giving me some issues, but I'll get it eventually. [03:04] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) joined ##slackware. [03:04] man is my favorite command. I wish Windows had that. [03:04] rename really ought to be called "bulk_rename", that's what it's for. The simple "rename a file" operation is done with "mv" [03:05] Actually, I don't care since I'm not on Windows anymore. lol [03:05] mv oldname newname [03:05] windows has a really fancy help system... unfortunately (in my experience anyway) it's rarely actually helpful [03:06] it tells you how to do stuff that you could figure out on your own, but doesn't give you enough detail to troubleshoot things when they don't work... [03:06] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [03:06] I've been typing: rename phlie file && ls. The ls doesn't show the change. [03:07] right [03:07] "man rename" ought to explain what the rename command is really for... example: rename htm html *.htm [03:07] Am I misinterpreting the command name "rename"? [03:07] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:07] yeah [03:08] ok. I'll man it. [03:08] it should be called "mass rename" or "bulk rename". My example renames all the *.htm files so they end in *.html [03:08] ok [03:08] I see. [03:08] but you use "mv oldname newname" to do a simple one-file rename (like the DOS/Windows rename command) [03:09] Which command should I man for changing one file name? [03:09] mv [03:09] kinda counterintuitive if you're used to the windows command prompt, I know [03:09] Just a second. I'll give that a try. I mistyped the name I wanted for a download earlier. [03:10] actually the rename command *can* rename just one file, but you'd have to type the filename twice. "rename oldname newname oldname" would work. [03:11] mv works. I'll learn the rename old new old just for reference later. [03:13] So far, I don't miss anything about Windows although I need to reconfigure XINE. [03:14] I'm getting a lot of dropped frames on some, not all, encrypted DVDs. The system locked because of it once. I'll get to that on the weekend. [03:15] deplorable: is your network card the WPC300n? [03:16] yes [03:18] Lucky guess? [03:18] did a google search, seems like other people got it to work with ndiswrapper, I checked linuxwireless.org but they dont support it [03:19] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:ndiswrapper wireless was one of the most frustrating things for me to get working [03:20] There appears to be a SlackBuild for ndiswrapper on 12.2. [03:21] version 1.54 [03:21] I got "lucky" by having a really ancient wireless card that worked perfectly [03:21] yeah, you can use that but the one from sourceforge will work fine [03:21] (of course that old piece of crap doesn't support WEP, let alone WPA...) [03:22] Loading the souceforge page now. It says it's been move and is redirecting me. [03:22] damn, that must be old [03:22] yeah. Lucent Orinoco Bronze [03:23] :( Now I won't get any sleep. The library opens in a few hours. I have to get my laptop coverted by then so I can try the adapter. :( [03:23] not using it any more though (got a fairly decent atheros now) [03:23] atheros has good support with linux from what i heard also [03:24] deplorable: do you have the driver cd that it came with? [03:24] yah, tho this one works for crap with the kernel ath5k driver, I have to use madwifi [03:24] yes [03:25] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.1.250.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net) left irc: "leaving" [03:26] that will save you alot of time if your on 56k... i have a linksys card and the file you use was lsbcmnds.inf with ndiswrapper, might be the same [03:26] and the cd might have a choice between 9x and NT drivers you need the NT [03:28] I think the drivers are still on version 1. I sort of remember an updated driver I pulled through Microsoft Update, but I'll start with the CD driver and upgrade through a HotSpot if necessary. [03:28] bird. Thanks a lot. [03:28] Thanks to everyone for the help. [03:29] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [03:30] As long as I'm still up, I'll check the CD for the file you mentioned. brb [03:36] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [03:38] Looks good. [03:38] you found it? [03:39] A similar .inf [03:39] I think it will work. [03:39] Took me a while to find my CD+-RW drive. I'm still getting use to Blackbox. [03:40] there really ought to be a blackbox theme called "Hotblack Desiato" [03:41] Sorry. I don't get that one. [03:41] "hitch hiker's guide to the galaxy" reference, sorry... [03:41] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:42] I haven't seen or read that yet. [03:42] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [03:43] definitely worth reading... also if you can find the original BBC radio drama version, worth listening to that [03:43] One thing I love about Linux is the human error messages. I once tried to open an IRC client as root. A box popped up that said, running chat as root is stupid and wouldn't let me do it. [03:43] :) [03:44] lol [03:44] They also tell you when they aren't certain what the problem is. Unlike Windows that gives you directions although it doesn't know where the place you're trying to get to is. [03:45] You may not have enough permissions for this, but we could be wrong. lol [03:45] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:45] my least favorite... I used to work with a guy whose code would just tell the user "An error occurred" [03:45] I think even a damn stack trace would be more user friendly than that... [03:45] yeah. That's not useful. [03:46] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:46] actually his code said "An error ocured" because he couldn't spell either... [03:46] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:46] lol [03:46] (english not his native language, but his friends tell me he can't spell in his native language either...) [03:46] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:47] no wonder an error occurred. [03:47] Cystem.out.println("..."); [03:47] great fun, digging thru his malfunctioning code. At one point he had a method that used 3 variables called: emploeeID, mployeeID, and employeeId [03:48] (not making this up, and no those aren't typos) [03:48] Not sure what I'm doing. Is it ok to mount a DVD+-RW in /? [03:48] normally you mount it on /mnt/cdrom [03:49] oh. Obvious. I must be getting tired. [03:49] / is already mounted, IIRC you get an error message if you try [03:49] Sounds like he wrote some awful code. [03:50] he did. Hideous... however he's actually one of the coolest people you could hope to meet, so long as you don't have to work on his code... [03:51] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [03:51] guy's name is Ivan, I used to have a perl script called "deivanize.pl" that I'd run after checking his code out of CVS, it'd clean up some of the nonstandard stuff [03:52] cig break [03:52] hmmm, good plan [03:52] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:53] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:54] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [03:57] I'm going to have to quit soon. They raised the tax by a dollar last weekend. Marboro's are around six now. [03:57] I'm a smoker. Don't they realize I need to save for my funeral. [03:58] spersaud (n=shivraj@cpe-74-66-94-205.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:58] wow people still use slackware [03:58] I used to use it a while back, now I use debian [03:58] deplorable: you're not in Georgia, are you? [03:58] Traitor [03:58] lol [03:58] i smoke buglers, there 2.50 here [03:59] no. Virginia for the moment. [03:59] GA just got a $1/pack tax increase too [03:59] debian is easier, better package management [03:59] I'm trying to get back to the city. [03:59] spersaud: we really don't care. [03:59] I remember those days of recompiling the kernel :) [03:59] BP{k}: bye ... [03:59] spersaud (n=shivraj@cpe-74-66-94-205.nyc.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [04:00] I've been smoking Winstons lately but only because a nearby store is taking them out of stock and selling them for $2 a pack. [04:00] bird: I'll probably go back to smoking bugler, or maybe something a little nicer (native american spirit is pretty good, despite the silly name) [04:00] morning people [04:00] spersaud, your in a Slackware room. Careful. lol [04:00] nille_ (n=nille@c-5163e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [04:00] well ... that was sweet, short and most effective. [04:01] deplorable: what about smoking roll-yer-own? [04:01] 3:00 AM here. I have to be going. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. :) [04:01] Never tried it. [04:01] yeah bugler are cheap as hell i feel like a bum when i smoke them in public, but american spirts are good there like 6 dollars in california though [04:01] spersaud would have failed a Turing test... easy to write a bot that joins channels and trashes whatever the channel name is [04:01] I've actually been planning to quit for a while. I have the gum, but I have a pack of cigs next to the gum. [04:01] Not the best strategy. [04:02] deplorable: when I smoked, I could smoke a packet of marlboro in < 2 hours .. espcially if i was scripting. 50grams of tobacco would atleast last me 3-4 days [04:02] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-60-140.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [04:02] haha [04:02] screw quiting, quitters never win... [04:02] bugler (or any roll-your-own) is annoying if you're driving though. Have to pull over to roll one, then have to worry some cop is going to see you rolling and jump to conclusions... [04:03] Urchlay: preperation is anything. [04:03] lol [04:03] just preroll them ;) [04:03] yah [04:03] but I find I smoke a lot more if I preroll [04:03] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:03] I smoke less when on my system. I can't stop to smoke once I get going. [04:03] Urchlay: agreed. [04:03] cheaper to take advantage of my own laziness and go "I don't really feel like rolling one right now" [04:03] hehe [04:04] or use cigars [04:04] cigars are great, but most of the time if you try to inhale, you turn green [04:05] hehe [04:05] Urchlay: yeah. I once had some scripts to write for work, so bought a packet of marlboro on the way home (as they were out of my normall tabacco). I lit one oup and would put it in the ashtray on the right, when I fell like smoking, I picked up a new cig from my left. ... within 2 hours there was a pile of burned cigs in my ashtray [04:05] and when u have a cold, u can use menthol cigars [04:05] haha [04:05] EW [04:05] BP{k}: did you happen to notice how many you had burning at once? [04:06] Bart_S: that... is disgusting [04:06] Urchlay: no. lol [04:06] mmm menthol cigar [04:06] haha dunno Urchlay [04:06] i don't smoke [04:06] menthol cigs are foul. I wouldn't even want to imagine menthol cigs [04:06] cigars* [04:06] hehe [04:07] Yet another question. What's the equivalent of the -p argument in Windows for ls under Slack? I'm trying to list the contents of me /dev directory but it rolls off the screen. [04:07] that's gnarly [04:07] I'm not seeing the answer scanning man ls [04:07] deplorable: uhm .. what does "-p" do? [04:07] BP{k}: probably you get the same effect by putting a green Tic-Tac in a glass pipe... [04:07] deplorable: ls -alh | less [04:07] then use the arrows [04:07] Action: BP{k} does not know these strange window switches ;) [04:08] deplorable: q will quit [04:08] -p stops after the screen is full. You have to press a key to get the next screen. [04:08] thanks nullboy [04:08] deplorable: using less is even better than -p ever was ;) [04:09] there's "more" and "less", and someone made a pager called "most" [04:09] wonder if there's a "least" [04:09] i'll write and call it null [04:09] Is there an average? lol [04:09] deplorable: the saying goes, less is more [04:09] or a "kinda" [04:10] there's "sort" but no "sort-of"... [04:10] and there's "yes" but not "no" [04:11] (less is still the most *reliable*) [04:11] Maybe I don't see where it is; "no media found". lol [04:12] hmm..... [04:12] michiel@hades:~$ which no [04:12] which: no no in [04:13] betrayd (n=linux@adsl-10-116-206.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [04:14] And on that little goldmine; I am out. Goodnight ##. [04:14] All roads appear to point to hdc. [04:14] they used to say "all roads lead to Rome"... meaning they were all one-way? [04:15] "no media found" means it thinks there's no disk in the drive BTW [04:15] There is. I thought I might be aiming at the wrong device but they all lead to hdc [04:16] every cdrom and dvd symlink in /dev [04:16] tried a different disk already? [04:16] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [04:17] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:17] i need to find someone with a gtx series card to speak to, just wanna see if they have any issues i'm having [04:17] anyone here have one ? [04:18] no [04:18] quadro here [04:19] More for the morning (later in the morning; it's 4am). [04:20] that it is [04:20] or 4:30 even [04:20] yeah [04:20] No sleep yet. Time to start drinking. [04:21] I still have 2 hours on the ATI download. [04:21] heh, once you start getting a few beers in you, that's when Slackware starts to be *really* fun [04:21] gak [04:21] can't imagine using the modern bloated web with a dialup [04:22] At least I'm not downloading IDEs over dial-up anymore. Before I got my laptop, I decided to give NetBeans a try. It took three days to download at 5KB/sec [04:22] I mean pages with 100K of just boilerplate jquery code... [04:23] I don't do a lot online. A few IMs, email, minor shopping. Video is rare. [04:23] Dial-up is bearable for me as long as I'm not downloading. [04:23] Besides, ADSL is around $60 a month here. Dial-up is $16. [04:23] think i got me a defective GTX260, unless glxinfo is supposed to hardlock the system [04:24] the extra $44 would be worth it to me [04:24] Not a clue Soul_keeper. Sorry. [04:24] get your n card working and steal wifi from your neighbors [04:24] or "borrow" [04:24] I'm, sort of, out of work too. [04:24] budgeting. [04:25] There's a coffee shop on every corner. I just piggyback. [04:25] but then my only source of income right now involves ssh logins, over which I run a text editor [04:25] There's a signal here too. I don't know where it comes from and it's too weak to rely on. [04:25] I have to get in a certain corner to pick it up at all. [04:25] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [04:26] ssh? text editor? stealing bank logins? lol [04:26] all the coffee shops here are starbucks, $10/mo to use their wireless, and you *must* have a credit card [04:26] heh, if I were doing that, I could afford a faster connection (currently 3M/sec cable) [04:26] That sucks. [04:26] It's all free here. [04:27] Even the grocery store offers free Wi-Fi. [04:27] where I used to live (20+ miles from here), there were a few places that had free wireless, either by accident or design [04:27] My favorite spot is a bakery I once worked for. The owner doesn't like people using the signal. That's great. It means I have it all to myself. [04:27] I found a bar & a mexican restaurant, could park at either one [04:28] and Denny's, used to be able to borrow someone's connection until this one jackass I know used it to do something nasty to their (completely unprotected) servers [04:29] Wi-Fi and alcohol are not a good mix. The person you've always wanted to tell off doesn't even have to be around. Subject: I've been meaning to tell you for years.... [04:29] I think he printed 5,000 copies of a solid black image on their laser printer [04:29] That was childish. [04:29] yeah [04:30] Was he caught? [04:30] nah [04:30] I mean the Denny's people knew we were all a bunch of "them weird computer people", but nobody would rat on him specifically [04:31] Breaking something that's already unlocked isn't a show a skill. [04:31] yeah [04:31] That was like smashing a car window while the keys dangle in the door. [04:31] well I've seen that happen too (no keys in the door, but an unlocked car got its window broken so the stereo could get stolen) [04:32] idiots. lol [04:32] I'm almost tempted to put a sign on the window of my car: "Attention thieves! Nothing worth stealing, but feel free to have a look. Doors are unlocked." [04:32] I guess they didn't want to risk losing a second by trying the handle and setting off an alarm. [04:33] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:33] unfortunately the type of person who steals shit out of people's cars, tends to be functionally illiterate [04:33] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:33] heh. The guy whose car it was, when he saw the damage, he went to open the door... and *then* the alarm went off [04:34] I drive a James Bond. I keep the cloak on. Nobody can see my car except me. [04:34] dangerous, in heavy traffic [04:34] When a cop pulls me over for speeding, I stand through the sun roof and claim I was just out for a walk. [04:34] poor guy [04:36] meanwhile nobody ever bothered my crappy old citation [04:36] (slow car, named after a speeding ticket...) [04:37] I'm going to leave the download going, 44 out of 79.4 MB complete, but try to get some sleep. [04:37] I'm also downloading Avast Antivirus Home Linux Workstation editoin. [04:37] ehmm [04:37] citation. [04:37] sounds like it should be a fast car. [04:38] avast for linux, that's a joke, right? [04:38] Avast Anti-virus Home Linux Workstation edition? [04:38] yeah [04:38] srsly? [04:38] Urchlay, nope. [04:38] sounds like a joke to me [04:38] "Windows 95 and later, Windows x64, Linux, Mac, Palm OS, Windows Server Edition" [04:38] i use clamav on linux but i use it to scan windows shares [04:38] ClamAV sucks balls. [04:38] I guess I don't really need the antivirus now since bird explained how I can use my adapter and convert my laptop. [04:38] deplorable: a citation is basically the same car as a chevette [04:39] you're a hooker! [04:39] Action: nullboy flails [04:39] It's not a joke. Check the site. [04:39] www.avast.com [04:39] oh I believe you [04:39] what about the site? what if *it* is a joke? [04:39] lol [04:39] what about the universe? the whole shebang might be a joke [04:40] oh man [04:40] the gods are laughing... [04:41] I don't think I have to deal with Windows on my network. I'll turn Avast into a project anyway. Maybe I'll make my first SlackBuild out of it. [04:41] good project [04:42] Someone may beat me to it. I still need to learn the system before I start working on that. [04:43] Then again, making a SlackBuild doesn't look difficult. [04:43] nah [04:43] betrayd (n=linux@adsl-10-116-206.mia.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [04:43] Does anyone have anything better than Pdigin; something with cam support? [04:43] Himari (n=dh@210.245.2.137) joined ##slackware. [04:43] especially not of something like that (presumably it's binary, you don't even have to actually build it) [04:44] it's in tar.gz format. [04:44] that doesn't actually say anything about whether it's source or binary... [04:44] pprkut (n=hwiesing@a82-93-111-145.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:44] I have another two hours before I can find out. [04:44] deplorable, kepote works with a cam for me on msn network [04:45] ow, I keep forgetting you're on dialup [04:45] Do you know of anything for Yahoo? [04:45] i never tried yahoo [04:47] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.24.5) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:49] I'll try it then. [04:49] Gyach... they haven't made a new release sense 2006 though [04:50] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@203.162.39.166) joined ##slackware. [04:50] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:50] I was wondering why Slackware doesn't install the lastest version of Blackbox by default when it's been out since 2005 or so. [04:50] That seems strange. [04:50] Himari (n=dh@210.245.2.137) left ##slackware. [04:52] 12.2 installed 0.65.x (guessing). 0.70.x is the newest and the site says it's been out for years. [04:52] Maybe it's not considered reliable or stable. [04:52] 0.70 is in slackware [04:52] it's in /extra I think [04:53] there have been some problems with it, that did not happen with the older one [04:53] Why is 0.65 is installed and 0.70 an extra? [04:53] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:53] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:53] I see. [04:55] blarg. I think I'm asleep [04:55] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [04:55] Hermaniette (i=1000@dhcp2-guest011111.fy.chalmers.se) joined ##slackware. [04:56] omg, the fedora/centos installer, anaconda, SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [04:57] it won't let me install to my degraded raid 10 claiming you can't have a 3 drive raid10 :( [04:57] Action: edman007 shoots centos in the head [04:58] Blame RedHat. [04:59] ccfreak2k, alright [04:59] Action: edman007 stabs redhat and slits its throat [05:00] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.24.5) joined ##slackware. [05:06] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.23.84) joined ##slackware. [05:06] Thanks again to everyone for the help. I'm finally going to call it a night (maybe). bye. 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[05:23] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.24.5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:25] ohhh wow, i'm getting pixel corruption now [05:25] random dots on my screen [05:25] lol [05:27] http://sterlingdesktops.com/defective2.jpg [05:28] kamaji_ (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:28] pprkut (n=hwiesing@a82-93-111-145.adsl.xs4all.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:29] steerpike: my NX / FreeNX packages are not "old" at all. When did you last look? [05:37] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:40] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-81-153.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:42] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:54] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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[07:29] anyone has an old package of k3b? [07:30] the latest one is totally broken [07:30] hum, I can get it from 12.0 [07:30] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:32] spiki (n=spiki@linette.net.yu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:36] Greyhound_ (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [07:37] unehed (n=unehed@s83-191-234-229.cust.tele2.se) left irc: "Leaving" [07:38] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) joined ##slackware. [07:39] jota-_ (n=jota@190.6.2.24) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:39] spideryummy (n=guest@120.28.196.37) joined ##slackware. [07:40] hi...when i boot my slackware, how can i automatically call 'startx'? becuase I still have to call startx..I am using fluxbox..need help. [07:40] i don;t need any graphical login..its a one-user setup only [07:41] change the default runlevel in /etc/initab [07:42] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@203.162.39.166) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:42] XGizzmo_: to this value --> id:1:initdefault: [07:42] what's the value to use... [07:43] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423524.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:43] 4 [07:46] Greyhound_ (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:46] Greyhound_ (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [07:47] XGizzmo_: so i modified to --> id:4:initdefault..now it goes to twm. Not fluxbox... [07:47] it is skipping .xinitrc file? [07:47] run xwmconfig and pick the wm you want [07:48] you may also have to pic it from the login screen [07:48] XGizzmo_: how can i fix this to always choose fluxbox so that user wont have to choose which... [07:49] go directly to fluxbox.. [07:49] it should remember the next time. [07:52] depending on the login manager he gets on init4 [07:52] off to work [07:53] no its not remembering it..it still goes to twm [07:53] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Connection timed out [07:53] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:59] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-81-153.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:00] switchdesk [08:01] heh :) [08:01] bob_slacker (n=vncsnvs_@189.27.5.184.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:02] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-81-153.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:03] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:03] Yo! (bein' mornin not afternoon or evening), folks [08:06] Nick change: Jimmen -> Shuren [08:06] spideryummy (n=guest@120.28.196.37) left irc: "leaving" [08:08] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.229.120.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. 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[09:15] gar0t0 (n=tiago@189.110.171.15) left irc: "fui pro trampo" [09:15] good `date +%r` [09:15] Action: Old_Fogie is playing with new xfce backported to his 12.1 :) [09:17] toor_ (i=1000@f051046156.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:17] Hey people, a little question: given a directory 'logs' , with some files within, how could I run something like : find logs/ -type f -exec cat /dev/null > {} \; having find to expand {} to the real filename ? [09:17] hello, how can I see which packages are installed? [09:18] toor_: pkgtool (view option) [09:18] toor_, you can browse thru the dir in /var/log/packages ; or pkgtool if you want a fancy gui [09:18] lucasagomes (n=lucasago@200.210.129.2) joined ##slackware. [09:19] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:19] there is no option in pkgtool to view the currently installed packages :P [09:19] are you asking or telling? [09:19] telling [09:19] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:19] it's slackware 11.9 [09:19] 11.0 [09:19] so? [09:19] haha, that was the second option, toor_ [09:20] you still have /var/log/packages [09:20] 11's pkgtool can browse installed packages, I have it here, believe me it does [09:21] personally, I'd recommend using 'mc' and browse the dir, using the f3 key if need be to view the packages [09:21] bah, just use ls | less :) [09:21] do you mean the option "view the list of files contained in a package"? [09:21] I have no idea what I mean, you still ain't told us what you want [09:21] well, this will be a larger explanation than expected :/ [09:22] current, other, floppy, remove, view, setup and exit. this options I have in pkgtool [09:22] What do you think 'view' means? [09:22] it means what stand behind "view the list of files contained in a package" [09:23] I think it changes compiz-fusion settings, I'll have to double check :) [09:23] Old_Fogie: :P that was a question for toor_ , [09:23] toor_, you can hit the "m" key when viewing, and it'll jump down to the 'm' packages [09:24] for example [09:24] toor_ , if 'view' option is going to show the files on a package, it will show the package itself [09:25] hey, more changes in --current [09:26] yeah and some changelog bugs as well :) [09:26] bob_slacker (n=vncsnvs_@189.27.5.184.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:27] ecmicro (n=ecmicro@pa-67-239-42-84.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [09:27] Old_Fogie: you were asking/talking about FreeNX as well earlier - did you use my build? [09:28] alienBOB, I dont think it is your build I got it from, tho I'm using same version. I'm testing nomacine nx new version now tho. Just wanted to see how it hooks into pulseaudio. [09:29] Stx_ (n=d9ae413d@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [09:29] I've been using freenx long time, works well. [09:29] nille_ (n=nille@c-5163e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [09:30] abing (n=abing@218.94.136.171) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:31] One nice thing about this new xfce, no screwy files left over in /tmp when exiting [09:32] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:33] i got some problems with kbluetooth i think that something is wrong in /etc/dbus-1/system.d/bluetooth.conf [09:33] kbluetooth: libkbluetooth: getStringList(): A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.bluez.Manager" member "ListAdapters" error name "(unset)" destination "org.bluez") [09:33] nille_, see Sun Jan 25 19:40:20 CST 2009 of slack --current changelog [09:34] I think? that may be your issue [09:35] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:36] spideryummy (n=guest@120.28.198.135) joined ##slackware. [09:36] i use that version [09:38] i put "exec startx" in my home .bashrc, so that i can start fluxbox when i log-in (without typing startx). I retain "id:3:initdefault" in /etc/inittab. I tried to change this to runlevel 4, but it will go to twm instead of fluxbox. Is my solution ok? [09:38] toor_ (i=1000@f051046156.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:39] have you tried xwmconfig ? [09:39] although, I like the xdm UI login...but i cant make it do. Yes, i tried that, but not working... [09:39] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@203.162.39.166) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:39] when i change to runlevel 4, it will go to twm... [09:40] wired xwmconfig will set the default windowmanager. run it as root and i never had issues with it [09:40] directly without kdm or xdm? [09:40] normally yes [09:40] worked fine when i was using xfce for a while [09:40] mrS: i did that..not working for me. [09:41] my question was for spideryummy [09:41] mrS: let me try again.. [09:41] ok. but fuxbox has a x start command .. let me check [09:41] nille_: yeah..i did not xdm or any ui login at all... [09:41] spideryummy, pkgtool for window manager selection affects run level 4 kdm/xdm logins only. using xwmconfig as your normal user affects you for *your* run level 3 only for kde, and 3&4 for xdm. [09:42] spideryummy, that pkgtool is done by root, set's a default for users, but if there home calls something different, the users home config wins [09:42] thanks Old_Fogie [09:42] ? [09:43] spideryummy whats the output from 'ls -l /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc' [09:43] hey, avant window navigator works for new xfce, no hacks needed :) haway [09:44] i didn't need to hack it in 4.4 either :\ [09:44] nille_: the file itself..nothing else [09:44] though, older versions of AWN didn't work so well [09:44] spideryummy theres no symlink? [09:44] thrice`, yes I'm still running a version from a few months back (that was the stable at the time) but needed a patch for the xfwm package [09:44] no [09:45] thrice`, I'm running 0.8.2 compiz too :) [09:45] nille_: i have .xinitrc in home..which is lauching fluxbox.. [09:45] tho, I can't get fusion-icon to build :( [09:46] so guess, my prob now is, how can i launch xdm then continnuing to fluxbox. [09:46] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) joined ##slackware. [09:46] so you got an local .xinitrc but you don't use any global [09:46] nille_: more like so... [09:46] if you want fluxbox, why not just luanch 'startfluxbox' from the bash login for automagic? [09:47] Old_Fogie: i already did that..it works. The prob is when i launch xdm, my local .xinitrc does not get read, so fluxbox wont run [09:47] or just call /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.fluxbox if you want allt he bash stuff merges [09:48] so you boot up in init 4 and you got no kdm or xdm and you boot right into twn without logging in as any user? [09:48] it's not going to, becuase xdm doesnt look at that [09:49] just log in, run xwmconfig as your normal user, log out and back in [09:49] Old_Fogie: give me a sec.. [09:50] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [09:50] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:50] im rebooting slackware in vbox now [09:51] reboot? you could've just done a quick 'telinit 3' and then 'telinit 4' from a vt. (not sure if xdm accepts a restart command) [09:51] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423524.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:51] Aslate (n=Aslate@78-86-174-102.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:52] i never use xwmconfig i rather 'ln -sf /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.fluxbox /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc' myself :) [09:52] Old_Fogie: still same..not working..it still goes to twm.. [09:52] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-175-47.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:53] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-175-47.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:53] well did it create the symlink from /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc to /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.fluxbox? [09:53] you've got something modified in some home hidden file then that's messing it up. what files have you edited. [09:54] Old_Fogie: nothing..only /etc/inittab changing from 3 to 4 [09:54] nille_: i will try your ides [09:55] then run the pkgtool, window manager selection as root, and set the global. no you shouldnt need to edit symlinks by hand, that's why xwmoncfig is there. [09:55] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) joined ##slackware. [09:55] Old_Fogie: wil it matter if you have a .xinitrc file in home dir ? [09:56] well the ~/.xinitrc is used when you run startx [09:57] ok lets say both files point to differtent wm's. what would happen ? [09:57] nille_: not working... [09:57] well it will use the local [09:57] my home/.xinitrc is a symlink to /etc/X11......not woring [09:58] Old_Fogie: whats next with pkgtool as root? [09:59] nothing in there [09:59] pkgtool..setup..xwmconfig [10:00] done [10:00] rebooting [10:00] spideryummy, no logout [10:00] and back in [10:00] this aint windows :) [10:00] or ctrl-alt-f6 in the vm [10:00] rebooting works also right? [10:00] rebooting is not required. [10:00] its vbox.. [10:01] a virtual machine? [10:01] Old_Fogie: not working... [10:01] well, it's like driving around the block because you moved the floor mat in the kitchen [10:01] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.24.233) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:01] can somebody here knows how to enable xdm in slackware? [10:02] and proceed to fluxbox [10:02] spideryummy, so you've run "xwmconfig" as a normal user ? [10:02] yes [10:02] root [10:02] no..as the user you login as [10:02] too [10:02] ? [10:02] ok i wil do that [10:02] give me a sec [10:03] still same.. [10:03] not working [10:04] spiderman: how have you actually installed fluxbox? [10:05] i put "exec startx" in my home .bashrc, so that i can start <--- Is that still in there? [10:05] mrS: fluxbox works when i do a simple startx, and using the local .xinitrc. So that area is ok/ [10:05] Old_Fogie: let me check.. [10:06] Old_Fogie: no..i erase that [10:06] spideryummy, run that xwmconfig from pkgtool as root, run it as your user, get rid of your .xinitrc , and any crapola in .bashrc. if that dont work, I dont know what to tell ya, cuz I've never heard of this before, and I use xdm with fluxbox here. [10:07] and restart that vm (since it's easier for you atm) vs vt switch [10:07] give me a sec to do all that here.. [10:08] spideryummy, "run it as your user" <-- meaning 'xwmconfig' as your user in a terminal. [10:08] spideryummy (n=guest@120.28.198.135) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:09] Bart_Y (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [10:09] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@actv2.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:09] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@dqt235.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:10] spideryummu doesn't ~/.xprofile work [10:10] nille : he closed the terminal :( [10:10] ok [10:10] spideryummy (n=guest@120.28.198.113) joined ##slackware. [10:10] spideryummu doesn't ~/.xprofile work [10:10] and back [10:10] sorry...by vbox crashed my system.. [10:11] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) left irc: Nick collision from services. [10:11] Nick change: Bart_Y -> Bart_S [10:11] i guess it wasn't running on top of slackware ;) [10:12] Old_Fogie: when i run xwmconfig, it always remember the twm settings.. [10:12] spideryummu did you see my question? [10:12] nille_: im using gentoo [10:12] .xprofile? [10:12] i dont have this file.. [10:12] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [10:12] do you have write access to your home? [10:13] yes it is sourced by xwm [10:13] so create it [10:13] ok [10:13] Old_Fogie: this also happens when i run as root. [10:13] i have acess to home [10:14] Old_Fogie: i guess, thats teh cause..the twm selection persists.. [10:14] if i run xwmconfig twice, it should remember fluxbox the 2nd time [10:15] well when you run xwmconfig as root it only creates the symlink i posted before [10:15] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [10:16] just a thought remove twm ? andn reinstall fluxbox packages ? [10:18] is xfce menu-editor gone in new xfce? or did my build not build it here? [10:18] Old_Fogie, it's gone. [10:18] gah! oh no [10:18] i ated it [10:19] man you have to see how cluttered up for me this is, gnome on here, kde.. and I'm a free software glutton...oh no [10:19] thats what she said [10:19] spideryummy (n=guest@120.28.198.113) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:20] Old_Fogie, yeah, many people complain now. [10:20] yeah, that really stinks, that's a bad idea [10:21] they probably thought it confuses users like gnome does :) [10:21] well people tend to expect improvements in what they already know and not regressions like this. [10:22] hehe, nice one :) [10:22] I could live with the extra click on the desktop menu, but having all this crap in the menu's leads to alot of menu navigation [10:23] editing .desktop files manually is what's gonna confuse users now :-) [10:23] man, I had some nice custom menu's going on too [10:23] slava_dp, yeah and editing a registry :) [10:23] registry sucks [10:23] when building it, xfce has the option to use 'gconf' too [10:23] lol [10:24] I built the version of xf from --current here on my 12.1 [10:24] g0000ga (n=g0ga@93.127.71.15) joined ##slackware. [10:24] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [10:24] they definitely fixed some of the gtk performance on this tho for sure [10:24] ES got my taxes [10:25] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.9) joined ##slackware. [10:25] g0000ga (n=g0ga@93.127.71.15) left irc: Client Quit [10:25] spideryummy (n=guest@120.28.241.169) joined ##slackware. [10:26] Old_Fogie: it works now.my guest user works! But root still goes to twm.. [10:26] i run xwmconfig to both users..and it writes .xinitrc file..i noticed. [10:26] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@2607:f340:c0de:0:21d:60ff:fe05:727d) joined ##slackware. [10:26] spideryummy, shouldn't be using X under root anyway :-) [10:27] check the ownership on your users home folder, such as /home/spideryummy ; should at the very least be 0700 [10:27] and that's it's spideryummy:users [10:27] <_RadioHead> hello people [10:28] g0000ga (n=g0ga@93.127.71.15) joined ##slackware. [10:28] Old_Fogie: im referring to "root" not working.. [10:28] g0000ga (n=g0ga@93.127.71.15) left irc: Client Quit [10:28] guest is working.. [10:28] g0000ga (n=g0ga@93.127.71.15) joined ##slackware. [10:29] has a separate /root/.xinitrc after xwmconfig [10:29] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:29] slava_dp: you got a point there.. [10:29] so i guess, this is normal then? [10:29] g0000ga (n=g0ga@93.127.71.15) left irc: Client Quit [10:30] g0000ga (n=g0ga@93.127.71.15) joined ##slackware. [10:30] morning all [10:30] spideryummy, root running 'xwmconfig' is not the same, as root running pkgtool...setup...xwmconfig. the former, sets the default for users of the system. that's why it's in pkgtool ..setup. [10:30] spideryummy, no it's not normal cause you should be able to use whichever wm you wish even as root. but as far as you are concerned you can leave it as it is now. it works ok. [10:31] slava_dp   [10:31] g0000ga, hey there [10:31] ) [10:33] Old_Fogie: you are 100% right..that is where i got it all mixed up!..after running pkgtool for root., it works now both guest and root [10:34] spideryummy, ---> spideryummy, pkgtool for window manager selection affects run level 4 kdm/xdm logins only. using xwmconfig as your normal user affects you for *your* run level 3 only for kde, and 3&4 for xdm. [10:34] that was 941 ! almost an hour ago :) [10:34] thanks [10:34] spideryummy (n=guest@120.28.241.169) left ##slackware. [10:35] welp i gtg cu all [10:35] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [10:36] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [10:36] nille_ (n=nille@c-5163e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:38] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.3.11) joined ##slackware. [10:40] Is anyone else having issues loading store.slackware.com? [10:40] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:41] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:41] ecmicro: seems to be down [10:41] nille_ (n=nille@c-5163e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [10:41] Ok, thanks for the confirmation kitche. [10:41] g0000ga (n=g0ga@93.127.71.15) left ##slackware. 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[10:47] I suspect a technical glitch [10:51] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:53] MakubeX (i=horas@ia.puu.la) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:55] MakubeX (i=horas@ia.puu.la) joined ##slackware. [10:55] Tyrael_ (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:55] Tyrael (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:56] rcslackware.com has previously been prone to small amounts of downtime.. dont worry about it [10:57] who's site is that? [10:57] prone to downtime.. i don't even return an A record for it hehe [10:57] ubuild (n=ubuild@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:58] maybe he meant slackware.com :) [10:59] Bart_Y (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [10:59] ecmicro (n=ecmicro@pa-67-239-42-84.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:59] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) left irc: Nick collision from services. 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[11:08] i want to play black and white [11:08] lots of big ones too [11:08] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:09] how in slack [11:09] never possible [11:09] think wine plays black and white [11:10] i am using slackware12.x [11:10] is there wine for it? [11:12] mirash, http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/ [11:12] mirash, http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ [11:12] slackware seems to get the short end of the stick when it comes to wine unfortunately. :\ [11:13] there's many entries on the appdb where something will work fine on patch-happy distros, but not very well (or at all) on slackware. [11:13] tsolox (n=guest@120.28.197.140) joined ##slackware. [11:13] is .fluxbox/startup the best place to start a GUI program when fluxbox starts??? [11:13] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) left irc: Connection timed out [11:13] it'll be awhile before they can improve the consistency of wine on differing distros, but i hope they get there soon. 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[11:26] who wants to install xfce 4.6.0 from lp.net? :-) [11:27] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [11:27] man.. the SCBL is going to have a field day with you slava_dp [11:28] Slackware Channel Ban List? [11:28] Action: slava_dp wonders what SCBL is [11:28] hahaha =) [11:28] no [11:28] SCBL = Slackware Clue Bat League [11:28] :) [11:28] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@93.86.208.90) joined ##slackware. [11:29] callboi (n=guest@120.28.197.140) joined ##slackware. [11:29] well it has been downloaded 6 times already i wonder should i give it a try? [11:29] how do we set wallpaper in fluxbox + slackware..since feh is not in slackware packages?? [11:29] :-) [11:29] holdmypocket (n=choward@168-215-208-8.static.twtelecom.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:29] fbsetbg uses feh to set wallpaper in fluxbox.. 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[12:19] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Saindo" [12:20] hello? [12:20] sorenp2 (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:21] just ask Gonzo1461 [12:21] Whitor (n=Whitor@rrcs-24-97-4-146.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:21] if someone can answer, they will [12:21] OK [12:22] I can get modem to connect using ppp-go...however, Firefox in KDE does not find the connection...what's the problem? [12:23] hi. Has anyone used a startech cb2s650 2 port pcmcia serial card? When I insert it, dmesg shows: [96861.843791] 0.0: ttyS0 at I/O 0x8108 (irq = 3) is a 16450 .... but there are two ports, How do I get the system to recognize both (or either) port(s) [12:23] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-137-162.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [12:23] Gonzo1461: what kind of "modem" is this? [12:24] Practical Peripherals external [12:24] serial connect [12:25] 56K mini-tower [12:27] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.3.11) left irc: No route to host [12:27] sorenp1 (n=Soren@m90-130-217-203.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:27] hrm [12:27] so it dials in... and connects? [12:27] what does: ip route [12:27] show [12:28] IP addresses assigned to me as well as ip addresses of my ISP [12:28] the connection appears to be correct and valid, however, I cannot get any software to use it [12:28] what does ip route show [12:29] er....ip route...I don't know [12:29] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.221) joined ##slackware. [12:29] and the output of /etc/resolv.conf [12:29] resolv.conf has got deleted somehow [12:30] I installed and used a script which was a mod of pppsetup called ispsetup [12:30] eh [12:30] If that script isn't officially supported on Slackware.. why would you use it? [12:30] suggested by a guy on Linux Questions forum [12:31] because nothing else has worked [12:31] kppp fails [12:32] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [12:32] here's the essence of my question....I can make the connection with ppp-go, but how do I get Firefox under KDE to use it? [12:32] dusty__ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:33] Is it the only connection on that box? [12:33] meaning.. the only interent connection? [12:33] yes [12:33] if so.. it will base everything off the routing that ppp-go gives it [12:34] FIrefox can't fine it...maybe something amiss in network setup? [12:34] fine=find [12:34] probably.. but hard to say if you can't troubleshoot it live ;) [12:34] how can I troubleshoot it? what tools? [12:34] Nick change: []cipher -> [cipher] [12:35] First... [12:35] I could ping an IP on the internet once connected [12:35] something you know is active and responds to pings [12:35] (pencil queued...) [12:35] then try resolving DNS with "host" [12:35] so like "host google.com" [12:35] if the ping succeeds and the DNS resolution fails.. you'll have your answer [12:36] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:36] OK - I still don't understand why Firefox would not see the connection...and for that matter, I tried BitchX in CLI mode and it too could not see it [12:37] is there a group thing problem or? [12:39] marto28sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [12:41] Gonzo1461: no [12:41] Gonzo1461: this is an ip routing or DNS resolution issue [12:41] nothing wrong witht he applications [12:41] you don't tell thenm "Hey, use this connection" [12:41] OK [12:42] why do I get complete IP info on connect? I assume if that info is returned, the connection is valid [12:43] I get local IP, remote IP, primary DNS and Secondary DNS URLs [12:45] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.9) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:46] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.9) joined ##slackware. [12:50] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:53] aereinha (n=aereinha@cpe-76-84-191-84.neb.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:54] kama (n=kama@host209-115-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:55] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:55] Gonzo1461 (i=Gonzo@25.houston-03rh16rt-04rh15rt.tx.dial-access.att.net) left irc: [12:56] tribeca (n=vedo@host162-103-static.20-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [13:01] mannynix (n=mannynix@201.164.85.114) joined ##slackware. [13:01] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [13:04] Dominian: ping :> [13:05] acidchild: pong [13:05] hows it going? [13:06] sdns (n=swordfis@ip-149-126-ull.customer.panservice.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:06] sdns` (n=swordfis@ip-149-126-ull.customer.panservice.it) joined ##slackware. [13:06] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) joined ##slackware. [13:06] hi all [13:07] i have problem starting httpd with svn support enabled [13:07] it claims there is undefined symbol [13:07] slackware 12.2 [13:08] acidchild: going ok.. busy.. you? [13:08] same ;| [13:08] acidchild: btw.. on dubstep.. I made a "backup" copy of /usr/lib into /root [13:08] n [13:09] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [13:09] acidchild: if that issue happens again.. we need a md5sum diff of those files and see which ones are changing [13:09] well surely ossec would show us [13:10] I've looked.. however not sure where to look throughly if that makes sense. [13:10] Really need to find the md5sum changes .. see the libs that are changing.. [13:11] yeah [13:11] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:13] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:13] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:14] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) joined ##slackware. [13:15] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:15] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.35.66) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:16] kama (n=kama@host209-115-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:17] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.37.52) joined ##slackware. [13:19] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:20] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [13:21] mannynix (n=mannynix@201.164.85.114) left irc: "good day" [13:23] ok, i will post my question again tomorrow [13:23] kama (n=kama@host209-115-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:23] have a good evening [13:23] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:25] what was his question btw ? :p [13:25] kama (n=kama@host209-115-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:29] Did kdevelop not get upgraded to 4? [13:29] Pixelized (n=fred@modemcable086.81-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [13:30] ccfreak2k: don;t think he asked one :) [13:30] ah yeah it's httpd with svn and undefined symbol [13:30] sounds like he did not compile correctly if he gets a undefined symbol [13:31] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [13:34] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.9) left irc: "Leaving" [13:37] bob_slacker (n=vncsnvs_@189.114.27.40) joined ##slackware. [13:40] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.20) joined ##slackware. [13:40] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [13:41] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.9) joined ##slackware. [13:41] <_RadioHead> anyone having problem starting kde4 ? [13:41] <_RadioHead> on -current [13:42] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:43] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: Client Quit [13:44] mm, bad question. explain? :) [13:44] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [13:45] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:46] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:46] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [13:46] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:46] makaka (n=makaka@83.218.195.61) joined ##slackware. [13:48] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:48] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:48] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:48] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:48] cHiOs (n=chio@adsl-75-50-251-55.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:52] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:54] kunal (n=kunala05@59.164.40.147) joined ##slackware. [13:55] <_RadioHead> thrice`: my question bad question? :) [13:56] sdns` (n=swordfis@ip-149-126-ull.customer.panservice.it) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [13:56] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [13:57] _RadioHead: did you do a upgradepkg ? [13:57] <_RadioHead> Kaapa: yes [13:57] and you had kde3 before? [13:57] _RadioHead: hehe; typically, "it's not working" isn't too easy to help with [13:58] <_RadioHead> Kaapa: exactly , after i rsync -current i usualy since i am lazy did upgradepkg --install-new :) [13:58] StealthAsimov (n=andy@c-7278e255.030-101-6b6c6d10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:59] do you have kdebase-workspace? [13:59] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:59] <_RadioHead> Kaapa: @work i isntall kde4 when was in testing and did how was in readme , and kde4 runs perfect [13:59] <_RadioHead> yes Kaapa [14:00] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:00] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0BD13.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:00] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:00] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:00] then I don't know. It didn't work for me when I just upgraded and forgot the new packages [14:00] <_RadioHead> Kaapa: i can see loading kde desktop and after only i can see wallpaper or blackscreen with option to move mouse or run ALT+F2 ... , on ps i can see one service runing always [14:00] in that case... can't help [14:01] <_RadioHead> something nepomuk services... [14:01] <_RadioHead> Kaapa: well thx man ill try to figure out but not tonight anymroe :) [14:02] _RadioHead: did you try starting from a fresh .kde* ? [14:02] <_RadioHead> yes [14:02] <_RadioHead> thrice`: [14:02] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:03] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) joined ##slackware. [14:04] <_RadioHead> init 0 :) tomorrow ppl [14:04] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.9) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:05] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [14:05] sdns` (n=swordfis@ip-149-126-ull.customer.panservice.it) joined ##slackware. [14:06] hey. is it requred for me to get the entire slackware 6 CDs? [14:06] or the 1st is just fine? [14:06] 1st will get you started, first three give all binary packages. [14:06] The last three are just sources. [14:06] oh ok. thanks. [14:08] Nick change: makaka -> l4m4_m4n [14:09] jkwood: would it be possible for me to use the 1st CD to get rest of the packages off the internet? [14:09] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:09] both binary and sources? [14:09] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0BD13.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [14:10] Well, you can use slackpkg to install the rest of the packages. [14:10] l4m4_m4n (n=makaka@83.218.195.61) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:10] As far as sources, there's no automated way to do that right now. [14:10] However, you're not likely to need them. [14:10] so i would have to get the 1st 3 CDs ? [14:11] or do you think i could start with the 1st CD itself? [14:11] The first cd will give you a working system without X. [14:11] For that matter, you can do an install over http or ftp or NFS. [14:11] oh. without X? that means no GUI? how about the 1st 3 CD? [14:12] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:12] *sigh* [14:12] Listen to what I'm saying: The first cd doesn't have X on it. [14:12] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:12] ok. i get it . [14:12] However, you can use slackpkg to installl everything else (X, KDE, whatnot.) 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[14:28] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [14:29] jkroll (n=jkroll@nmd.sbx09529.queenny.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [14:30] Nick change: jkroll -> tecky [14:30] Nick change: Tyrael -> Tyrael_ [14:30] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [14:31] has anyone installed the xilinx webpack on slackware 12.2? [14:31] marto28sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:32] rosh_, as in Xilinx FPGAxilinx? [14:33] yes [14:33] a while ago yes [14:34] I need the ISE WebPACK for school, and the site say, that the packages are for redhat, I was wondering if it will be hard to run them on slackware [14:34] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [14:35] anyone know where i could get a manual to install slackware? [14:35] slackbook.org [14:35] as in from ground. like where and how to download slackware [14:35] oh ok thanks [14:39] rosh_, rpm2tgz and some fiddling [14:39] nille__ (n=nille@c-5163e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Leaving" [14:39] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@dqt235.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:39] rosh_, mind you that was a little while ago maybe the new version doesn't require the fiddling part lol [14:41] well that would be really nice :) [14:41] sidmario_ (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:42] uhhm. I am sorry but I cant find a place to download the ISO files for slackware and nor does the Manual exactly tell where to get the ISO from. [14:42] I think it has its own installer actually, maybe it does it all while I have a smoke on the balcony, like it was with Matlab :) [14:42] lollllllll [14:43] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Connection reset by peer [14:43] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:43] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:43] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-114-123.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. [14:43] kunal you can get them from here: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php [14:44] kunal: http://mirrors.vbi.vt.edu/mirrors/linux/slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/ [14:44] Pixelized (n=fred@modemcable086.81-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:44] g0000ga (n=g0ga@93.127.71.15) joined ##slackware. [14:45] thanks. [14:45] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:45] evening folks :-) [14:45] Hi macavity. How are you? [14:45] good, you? [14:46] great, thanks. [14:48] Pixelized (n=fred@modemcable086.81-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:48] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:49] Chriswaterguy (n=guest@190.87.31.98) joined ##slackware. [14:50] looks like there aren't many using Openbox on Slackware? [14:51] Chriswaterguy: what is openbox? [14:51] what gives you that idea? [14:51] kunal: Openbox is a window manager - can use it as a superlight desktop environment [14:52] oh ok. [14:52] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] jkwood: just a quick google - the top hits are old "why isn't anyone using openbox?" posts [14:52] and an unsupported module: http://www.slax.org/modules.php?action=detail&id=2208 [14:53] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-4-251.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:53] moha_ (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-4-251.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:53] kunal: Openbox is used by Crunchbang Linux and LXDE (light desktop) [14:53] Chriswaterguy: Slax != Slackware. [14:53] (LXDE now used by Knoppix) [14:54] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/openbox/ [14:54] jkwood: I realize, but slax is kind of a subset of slackware, right? [14:54] That's not ancient by any means. [14:54] konus (n=cfa@staticline2725.toya.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:54] No, no it's not. [14:54] It's a derivative distro. [14:54] slax has nothing in common, functionality wise really, with slackware anymore... [14:55] Dominian, jkwood: okay, thanks. [14:55] Slax is built using Slackware -current as a base. [14:56] I'd say that Slackware has a larger and more technical user base (which would be the kind of people using Openbox.) [14:56] I'm not surprised that very few people use Openbox with Slax. [14:57] jkwood: thanks for the link. Looks like it's for someone a bit more experienced than me. Noone is maintaining a Slackware LiveCD using Openbox, I gather? [14:58] Not to my knowledge. [14:59] You can build Slax with anything they have available, though. [14:59] And, SlackBuild are not hard to use at all. [14:59] Hmm... lag is causing Engrish. [15:00] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:00] jkwood: I've never built anything before, and don't want to try till I'm back in a large city with plenty of geeks. [15:00] http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [15:00] jkwood: I also like the idea of using a setup that lots of others are using. [15:01] _chess_: ping? [15:01] <_chess_> jkwood: pong [15:01] _chess_: You're using Openbox, right? [15:01] Or do you just maintain the build? [15:01] I'll keep an eye on it - Openbox/LXDE are getting popular, so things might change. [15:02] <_chess_> jkwood: I do not use it on a regular basis these days; I sometimes play with it, but don't use it much. [15:03] Ah, okay. [15:03] oh well - looks like it's Crunchbang or Knoppix for me, for now. thanks for the help! [15:03] <_chess_> jkwood: BTW, have a moment for a PM? [15:03] Well, good luck, Chriswaterguy. And you're welcome. [15:04] _chess_: Have at. [15:06] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@115.74.111.111) left irc: Connection timed out [15:06] Chriswaterguy (n=guest@190.87.31.98) left ##slackware. [15:06] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@115.74.65.10) joined ##slackware. [15:08] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:08] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. 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[15:21] O_O [15:21] NO [15:21] that is known as a mail zombie [15:21] Nick change: moha_ -> mohaa [15:22] something if the admin are a stupid link and processing killer ;) [15:22] any idea why an "Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)" works when booting from an Ubuntu livecd but not from my installed slack? i think the modules are correctly loaded, under my slack, but there's no sound... (already checked the volume) [15:22] jonsmith1982: please notify the sysadm that he has a potential spam drone on his hands... [15:23] Nick change: kamaji_ -> kamaji [15:23] seems like i will be fixing it myself. [15:23] tavl: that is not the actual sound device.. it is actually an "sound bus interface".. there is usualy a Realtek device at the other end [15:23] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [15:23] macavity: how to find out? [15:24] i dont know [15:24] try modprobe snd-hda-codec-realtek [15:24] but.. have you checked that the channels are unmuted? [15:24] alsamixer [15:25] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:26] tavl, which kernel ? (or which slackware ?) [15:26] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [15:26] slack 12.1, kernel 2.6.24.5-smp [15:26] tecky (n=jkroll@nmd.sbx09529.queenny.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:27] my 'Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)' only worked with a 2.6.27 kernel iirc [15:27] macavity: about the channels checking, already done... the weren't mutted [15:27] but first, have you run alsaconf ? [15:27] yah [15:28] you could try a newer kernel then, iirc I had the same problem [15:28] (and a new alsa, so maybe worth a complete upgrade even though just changing these few packages should be ok) [15:31] anybody in here got a good cad software they use (that's open source of course) [15:32] ok, thanks for the tips... ill try it latter [15:33] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:35] GArik (n=wesnoth@mpd-2558.tvcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:36] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@2607:f340:c0de:0:21d:60ff:fe05:727d) left irc: "Leaving" [15:36] edman007, http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/1465/babyroom007.jpg http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/39/babyroom008.jpg my stomach is gona explode [15:40] hard to tell with the second pic, but the first...what are you having, a whale? [15:41] GArik (n=wesnoth@mpd-2558.tvcom.ru) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:42] GArik (n=wesnoth@mpd-2558.tvcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:42] bittin (i=bittin@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-c5bfef6d093138b2) left irc: Client Quit [15:42] yes a whale [15:42] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [15:43] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) joined ##slackware. [15:44] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [15:46] my ktorrent when executed from shell , returns to prompt without error , and wont open ktorrent ... any help ? [15:46] strace it [15:46] dont know how to read strace [15:46] jusr do it and post it [15:47] DeeeeP, interpet it as text =P [15:47] ops [15:47] DeeeeP, postbin the strace output [15:47] just found out i was running it as root , as user it runs [15:47] still , should run as root , or not ? [15:49] as user [15:50] don't run anything as root that doesn't need that level of privileges [15:51] bittin (i=bittin@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-a06e8947ff060546) joined ##slackware. [15:51] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:51] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:52] nullboy, yes ok , but why wont run as root [15:52] DeeeeP: are you in X? [15:52] yes [15:52] did you export the screen and Xauth? [15:52] nope [15:52] that's why [15:52] export DISPLAY ? [15:54] auth merge /home/user_running_X_here/.Xauthority && export DISPLAY=:0.0 [15:56] bbl [15:56] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:57] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009147241.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:57] nullboy: nice and warm for your wedding..-8C http://www.casebliss.com/tmp/screenshot.jpg [15:58] lol [15:58] nullboy, now it wont return to prompt [15:59] ... [15:59] no msgs given [15:59] DeeeeP: it works fine here [15:59] [helloworld] (n=[hellowo@62.87.208.174) joined ##slackware. [15:59] as root ? [15:59] bijit (n=benji@201.198.72.142) joined ##slackware. [15:59] i don't know what you have going on there but exporting the display and Xauth file as root works fine [16:00] <[helloworld]> hello, i have got a problem, i buy new pc (with vista) and i want to try run my livecd's with linux (i have 3 slackware, mini-pentoo, backtrack), after booting i can run only shell, on the other systems (windows 98, xp) it show me graphical interference, now i try to run startx, startkde, but it's not working [16:00] <[helloworld]> how to solve it?, what's the problem? [16:01] first off, there are no slackware livecds [16:01] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [16:01] <[helloworld]> nullboy, "SLAX Server Edition 5.1.4 PL" [16:01] that is not slackware. [16:02] [helloworld]: http://chopp.homelinux.com/tmp/advice.png [16:02] you see how it says Slax? Slax is not the same word as Slackware.... [16:02] why do people do this [16:02] <[helloworld]> ok, sorry, i though is the same, now I know, so about my problem, could you help me? [16:03] if you want support for your liveCDs as each project [16:03] as/ask [16:03] nullboy: because the last fucktard distro fork maintainer has not been tought to write "do *NOT* bug $ORIG_DISTRO about our own pathetic little problems"... [16:03] <[helloworld]> but all livecds i tryied to run couldn't start KDE [16:03] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:03] [helloworld]: so start with one and ask them for help [16:03] DeeeeP: are you in kde4 by any chance? [16:04] pprkut: i tested in kde4 and it worked for me [16:04] pprkut, im on current , just running xfce [16:04] hm, ok [16:04] Damn, Enlightenment is so pretty @_@. Mac sux :) [16:04] nullboy: konsole in kde4 has some problems with running apps as root [16:05] pprkut: which ones specifically? [16:05] nullboy: if run by "kdesu konsole" it is unable to start x-apps [16:05] but that's kdesu [16:06] i showed him how to export the display and Xauth manually [16:06] martyw (n=zsakr@77.42.142.206) joined ##slackware. [16:06] http://pastebin.com/d3bf3a84 -- any idea? [16:06] well; i do have three sata hard disks and one usb storage device so i can say that all of those device nodes exist. [16:06] nullboy: the described behaviour works in 3.x [16:07] udevinfo always worked [16:07] macavity: so is is kdesu or konsole though? [16:07] martyw: that same command you posted works fine here [16:07] nullboy: probably konsole... it is one of the few kde apps that, sadly, always seem to be less than optimal :-/ [16:07] [helloworld] (n=[hellowo@62.87.208.174) left ##slackware. [16:08] i'll keep that in mind but so far konsole4 is working well for me [16:08] martyw: udevadm info --query=path --name=/dev/hda [16:08] nullboy, can i copy .Xauthority from one user to another ? [16:08] wierd no? [16:08] nullboy: try catting a .wav or something similar, and watch what happens [16:08] DeeeeP: don't do that [16:09] macavity: catting a wav? [16:09] rworkman: device node not found [16:09] wth [16:09] i dont have that file on ~ root [16:09] DeeeeP: .... [16:09] because root is not running X [16:09] martyw: what's weird? It works fine. [16:09] rworkman: thaats what i get from your command [16:09] i just showed you what to do man [16:09] auth merge ? [16:09] macavity: my described behaviour or nullboy's? [16:09] nullboy: more often than not, you get funny little "dots" on the screen that will only go away if you minimize-maximize [16:09] martyw: oh. Hrm. [16:10] martyw: ls /dev/sdd [16:10] macavity: I know mine works in kde3, and there's already a bug open for konsole in kde4 about that bug. [16:10] macavity: ..catting a wav to screen...what the hell *should* you expect? [16:10] pprkut: yours.. "kdesu konsole" *should* give you a fully integrated root console [16:10] right [16:10] pprkut: well.. there you have it :P [16:10] rworkman: brw-rw---- 1 root storage 8, 48 2009-03-16 15:01 /dev/sdd [16:10] http://pastebin.com/ma434e03 [16:10] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@115.74.65.10) left irc: No route to host [16:10] pprkut: just poke the bug with "i can confirm this on slackware-current date FUBAR, KDE-4.2.1 [16:11] macavity: I reported the bug :P [16:11] rworkman: How does it work fine if the device nodes exist and udev thinks it doesn't? [16:11] pprkut: ah :P [16:11] I also get the same error by tryinggg without prefixing /dev/, --name=sdd [16:12] However, # udevadm info --query=path --name=video0 [16:12] i get /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:04:05.0/video4linux/video0 [16:12] martyw: i just pasted my own example and it works [16:12] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:12] martyw: have you changed anything with the system? [16:12] anything udev related [16:13] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:14] yes, Rules for video0 and video1, rules for sdd. [16:14] martyw: I'm not sure what's going on there :/ [16:15] If i ever wanted my boot messages on color what should I read on? [16:15] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176084147.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:15] what could it be? [16:15] want to see those rules that i changed nullboy? [16:15] http://pastebin.com/d770cdca4 [16:15] not really because i won't be able to help you [16:15] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:16] rworkman: any suggestions? [16:16] oh boy -current updates [16:16] what? [16:17] GArik (n=wesnoth@mpd-2558.tvcom.ru) left irc: Connection timed out [16:17] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:19] rworkman: For what it's worth, the udevadm info command showed the same result before I changed the rules. [16:19] GArik (n=wesnoth@mpd-2558.tvcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:20] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:21] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [16:21] martyw: I assume the camera is sdd? [16:22] nullboy: and the xfce bug with missing icons after upgrade from 4.4.x should be dead :) [16:22] That is correct. [16:22] bob_slacker (n=vncsnvs_@189.114.27.40) left irc: "Leaving" [16:22] rworkman: schweet! [16:23] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [16:23] A later rule causes the camera to use "usbdrive" like my other USB flash drives... instead of the earlier rule that says to make it show up as "camera" [16:23] AlexElliott (n=alex@sns6-212.york.ac.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:24] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [16:24] martyw: that's *really* odd, and your rule additions definitely didn't cause the problem. I might be missing something obvious here, but I don't think so. If it still doesn't work after a reboot, then probably you want to post to the udev mail list [16:24] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:24] neuro_sys (n=neurosys@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) joined ##slackware. [16:24] martyw: you didn't put a NAME="blah" directive anywhere, right? [16:24] Several months ago, when udevinfo existed, it gave me the serial number that I used to write the rule in the first place. [16:24] gabriel (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [16:24] oh, and do SYMLINK+="blah" instead [16:25] It's already there. [16:25] wait, you did that on the camera. Weird. [16:25] Yet a later rule clears that symlink and makes a new one? If so, does the other rule have SYMLINK+="blah" for it too?? [16:25] I used to have KERNEL= NAME= and GROUP= [16:26] neuro_sys (n=neurosys@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) left ##slackware. [16:26] long with what I still have. [16:26] bijit (n=benji@201.198.72.142) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:26] by "used to" - you mean when? [16:26] AlexElliott (n=alex@sns6-212.york.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:26] []cipher (n=cipher@41.252.35.18) joined ##slackware. [16:26] If you assign a different NAME, then that can/might confuse the udev lookup tools [16:26] I removed it and tested again, same [16:27] For the camera, the symlink is supposed to be "camera". The later rule, which is for all other USB flash drives, the symlink is "usbdrive" [16:27] You should never have KERNEL= -- '=' is an assignment operator. You should only use KERNEL==, as '==' is a test operator [16:28] If you don't want the usbdrive symlink for the camera, there is an OPTIONS="last_rule" iirc that you can use [16:28] I had KERNEL=="sd?" and KERNEL=="sd?1" in the two lines/rules for the camera, but then I removed them. [16:29] bijit (n=benji@201.198.72.142) joined ##slackware. [16:29] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [16:29] i have some other specific USB sticks that happily use other names from this same rules file. I use the serial numbers for those sticks. [16:30] Try sending a 'udevadm trigger --action=change" [16:30] All others fall back to the "usbdrive" rule at the bottom of the file. [16:31] I did the trigger once, but did not specify any action. [16:31] done. No output, so I guess it was successful. [16:31] yeah [16:33] strange no? [16:34] okay, dmesg shows the camera as sdd when I just connected it. [16:34] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [16:34] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.173.194.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:34] ubuild_01 (n=ubuild@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:34] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2009-03-16 15:33 /dev/usbdrive -> sdd1 [16:34] still wrong [16:35] ubuild (n=ubuild@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:35] Nick change: ubuild_01 -> ubuild [16:36] rworkman ? [16:36] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [16:36] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009147241.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:38] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:38] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.37.52) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:38] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:39] martyw: I'm not entirely sure what's going wrong *or* what exactly you're trying to do, so I think your best best is going to be a post to the udev mail list :) [16:39] nix_chix0r, you are going to blow [16:40] ok sir [16:41] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [16:41] is it safe to use the slackware kde build environment on a live system? [16:41] i know that the vga helper does some crazy things that shouldn't be used on a live system [16:42] l4m4_m4n (n=lama@83.218.195.61) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:42] wow [16:43] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [16:43] i freaking hope they didnt prohibit reproducing KDE with KDE running.. [16:43] umm [16:43] nullboy: the kde components won't spam your / [16:43] thrice`: k thanks [16:43] macavity: just look at the svgahelper stuff and you'll see why i ask [16:43] it touches the whole FS [16:43] however, the kde.SlackBuild runs upgradepkg --install-new on each package, so I wouldn't do it while running kde [16:44] thrice`: i'm going to try to use just the k3b parts [16:44] i just pulled the latest k3b svn [16:44] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:45] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.2) left irc: [16:47] sfergut (n=uyjkgh@188.24.23.165) joined ##slackware. [16:48] thrice`: just don't do it when you upgraded qt4 to another major version. THAT breaks things....I know it...I tried it ;) [16:48] how i specify the /dev/sound devices in slackware 12 for example is ffmpeg -i /dev/snd/controlC0 or is /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p ?? [16:48] pprkut: you mean if you rebuild kde using a different qt4 while the system is running? [16:48] pprkut: ew mess [16:49] as none works as root it says /dev/snd/controlC0: Error while opening file [16:49] pprkut: hehe [16:49] nullboy: yeah, actually I was recompiling kde to use qt4.4 with kde compiled against qt4.5 running.... [16:50] does anyone know of a tool that can do easy package diffing? example; two packages of the same program but different versions and i'd like to get a list of files and/or directories that have changed [16:50] which actually is the /dev sound in slackware 12 ? [16:51] nullboy: mm, might hack it together with tar tvf + cut [16:51] thrice`: yeah i think i will have to [16:52] nessundorma (n=mike@host247-57-dynamic.104-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:53] You'll need a sort in there too [16:54] is kd34 for 12.2 just a matter of upgradepkg -current/kde/* ? [16:54] s/kd34/kde4/ [16:54] Zordrak: good lord no [16:54] hokay [16:54] there is no kde4 for 12.2, also [16:55] at this point i think it would be bad to mixed 12.2 packages with -current packages. the tool chain has been recompiled now [16:55] so it's -current or nothin for kde4 [16:55] if it were me, I'd either recompile, or upgrade to -current [16:55] guess it's time for 12.3/13 :) [16:55] Zordrak: you can compile it yourself ;) [16:56] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:56] thats a hell of a lot of slackbuilds.. [16:56] anyone have a dependency-ordering howto? [16:56] Zordrak: what do you mean.. just grab the build scripts from -current's source [16:57] however.. building yourself may be more trouble that its worth hhe [16:57] Action: Zordrak goes to source to see what he's dealing with [16:57] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:57] if it works, it was the right order :P [16:57] lucasagomes (n=lucasago@200.210.129.2) left irc: "Leaving" [16:57] Zordrak: slackware has a build env. for kde and it works automagically [16:57] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: Connection timed out [16:57] Zordrak: read through all the kde build scripts and option files [16:57] it's really easy [16:58] oic.. didnt know about the full kde slackbuilds [16:58] s/s// [16:58] the l/ order will be a little more challenging, and undocumented [16:59] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) joined ##slackware. [16:59] perhaps -current is the better option.. [16:59] theres certainly a helluva lot been changed since 12.2 [16:59] GArik (n=wesnoth@mpd-2558.tvcom.ru) left irc: Connection timed out [16:59] its for my home desktop box.. primary use will be video.. and wanted to check out kde4 [17:00] no services other than sshd [17:00] GArik (n=wesnoth@mpd-2558.tvcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:02] does radius server come in slack? Or I have to compile it? [17:02] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:03] slackware doesn't have a radius package [17:04] hostapd can do radius though [17:04] client and server [17:04] nullboy: yeah I saw it on slackbuild(hostapd) [17:04] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:05] are you planning on using radius for wifi or what? [17:05] yeah...radius + wifi (Ruckus AP) [17:06] freeradius? [17:06] Zordrak: I have been reading on it on the radius book from O'reilly [17:06] Finally got up to KDE4. [17:06] Seems like it's going to be even slower. :( [17:07] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423524.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:07] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423524.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:07] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423524.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:07] ccfreak2k: you going to -current? [17:07] slower? i found 3.x faster than 2.x [17:08] Zordrak, I've been on current, but I hadn't done the big March 9th update until now. [17:08] orite [17:08] i think my new install on my desktop will be a fresh -current [17:08] if i can work out the right way to do it :) Ive never done a -current install before [17:08] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@actu47.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:09] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [17:09] I use alienBOB script :-) [17:10] What's the name of the KDE app that lets you set up KDE initially? [17:10] kwizard ? [17:11] a fresh install of -current is the same procedure as any release version install [17:12] and k3b still doesn't burn anything [17:12] nullboy: not true.. cause i do ALL my release ver installs from burnt isos [17:12] Zordrak: yes true. [17:12] you make your own ISO.... [17:12] ccfreak2k: doesn't exist in kde4 anymore. plasmoid is in the works [17:13] alienBOB++ [17:13] ? [17:13] I want Meta-R back so I can run things. [17:13] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-182-35.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [17:13] And some way to set my theme back to Redmond 2000. [17:13] :( [17:14] system-settings then [17:15] hello. i need to remove my GRUB. its giving me an error 17 [17:15] root__ (n=nukedclx@ccz207.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:15] whats the best way? [17:16] 'dd' boot sector with zeroes [17:17] dd? [17:17] forget it, you will probably screw it up, find a safer method i dont want to be responsible if you kill your partition :P [17:17] pprkut, is the KDE control center still there? [17:17] df -h [17:17] *fail* [17:18] isn't error 17 when it can't find its boot files ? [17:18] nullboy: looking for a howto-iso... anything more than burn the whole tree? [17:18] Aslate (n=Aslate@78-86-174-102.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:18] kunal: replace it with Linux, or boot windows and type : "fdisk /mbr" [17:18] kunal: s/Linux/lilo/ [17:18] kunal, try also a fsck on it [17:19] Zordrak: do you have a local -current tree already? [17:19] ccfreak2k: no, it's system-settings for now :( though, they are working on kcontrol4 for kde 4.3 [17:19] no, but will be setting an rsync going tonight [17:19] There's no system-settings in my path. :( [17:19] Zordrak: start with pulling an rsync [17:19] sfergut-could i use a hdd erase program? [17:19] ccfreak2k: oops, without the dash [17:19] and just erase the entire GRUB [17:20] kunal: what version of slackware? [17:20] sfergut, what should your computer boot once there's no grub anymore ? [17:20] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) joined ##slackware. [17:20] nullboy: its actually a Debain GRUB [17:20] well, s/sfergut/kunal/ [17:20] why am i not surprised [17:21] kunal: so why don't you ask #debian for help? [17:21] and I went to install slackware. [17:21] it's their grub anyway... [17:21] so now the GRUB is giving me error message. i'll just erase the hdd. [17:21] nullboy: is that a precursor to.. "dont iso.. nfs instead"? [17:21] why hasn't intel's x86 patent expired yet ? [17:21] kunal, fsck with a live cd the partition sometimes i happen to have that error because of corrupted file system [17:22] also try to rebuild grub mbr [17:22] Zordrak: if you pull your own rsync copy of -current you can just use the USB boot images with a USB stick and then install using http/smb/nfs whatever [17:22] Zordrak: or you can build iso images and install from optical media [17:22] sfergut: should i download the slackware live CD? [17:22] kunal: there is no slackware liveCD [17:22] for the second time today [17:22] ok. sorry. [17:22] lol [17:23] Ugh. [17:23] KDE crashed. [17:23] Possibly. [17:23] nullboy: would like to create an iso for it if i can [17:23] kunal, no matter what live cd is just to be a live cd that supports fsck [17:23] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:23] Action: Camarade_Tux uses the slackware installer dvd as a livecd ;) [17:23] Zordrak: then just get the rsync done with first [17:23] almost any live linux cd should work with fsck [17:23] Zordrak: alienBOB has a script to do just that. [17:24] you can use even slackware CD1 boot cd [17:24] Zordrak: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/tools/ [17:25] but maybe you need to rebuild grub then you need the debian boot cd [17:25] what. the. hell. [17:25] rebuild grub? [17:25] sfergut: loading into debian [17:26] via Live CD. [17:26] nullboy, rebuild the grub mbr [17:27] chopp: ty [17:27] yw [17:27] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: "Leaving" [17:27] also noticed that theres an iso ono ftp from 10/03 [17:27] kunal, i also assume all your grub config is ok .. if not then is your fault [17:27] btw. how big is the slackware on DVD. 4GB ? [17:27] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.140.254) joined ##slackware. [17:27] roughly [17:28] sfergut: I plan to nuke my entire system and install the entire dvd [17:28] Where can I find the setup program after installation? [17:28] i just built a -current dvd image today: -rw-r--r-- 1 xxx users 4.3G 2009-03-16 14:25 slackware-current-16_Mar_2009-DVD.iso [17:28] asarch: you can't [17:28] Aahhhh.. making the ISO is part of the bloody rsync script [17:28] thats what I missed [17:28] nullboy: where could i find it? [17:28] asarch: you can rerun pkgtool though [17:28] Oh... :-( [17:28] i'll download yours. [17:28] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:28] kunal: no, you won't [17:28] haha. ok. [17:28] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:28] /var/log/setup ? [17:29] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) joined ##slackware. [17:29] i am getting the dvd now [17:30] I keep a -current partition on /home/ftp/, and just point the installer at it after /home is mounted :) [17:30] i've just updated to -current and i get "HPLIP: There is no system tray on this system. Unable to start, exiting" when i launch kde. wtf? [17:30] thrice`: And with a weekly/monthly rsync/cron job it is always up to date [17:31] Thank you very much nullboy [17:31] :-) [17:32] slava_dp: did you install all the NEW packages as well as the upgraded packages? [17:32] nullboy, yes i did. [17:33] how did you do it? [17:33] Which devices does pkgtool need to create the booteable USB stick? [17:33] s/devices/device/ [17:33] anyways its 3 in the morning here. i am gonna hit the sacks. thanks nullboy. thanks sfergut :) [17:33] nullboy, slackpkg update; slackpkg upgrade-all; slackpkg install-new; slackpkg clean-system [17:33] night. [17:33] kunal (n=kunala05@59.164.40.147) left irc: [17:35] k3b seems to be totally broken....all i can make it do is md5sum images...but it sure as hell won't burn anything [17:35] i blacklisted k3b [17:35] Use growisofs instead K3B [17:35] K3B sucks [17:35] ... [17:35] k3b 1.0.5 rulez :| [17:35] asarch: why does it suck? [17:35] k3b ftw! [17:36] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:36] It simply does [17:36] asarch: so that's your opinion with no foundation [17:36] that's great. [17:36] It usually starts fine to burn the CDs and suddenly bam! [17:36] Even if you have done the k3bsetup tool [17:36] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [17:36] define "bam" [17:36] lol :-D [17:37] Like the old Batman series: Bam! [17:37] so nobody else got "There is no system tray on this system" ? Just me lucky today? [17:37] slava_dp: That sounds familiar for some reason... [17:38] Oh, HPLIP. [17:38] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] jkwood, did you have that? what was the cause? [17:38] I know exactly what's going on... alienBOB: Ping [17:38] Hum, it seems that pkgtool can't create the USB stick [17:39] Action: asarch is reading the Bootdisk-HowTo [17:39] asarch: so make it yourself.... [17:39] asarch: k3b works just fine for me, I'm running stock 12.2 systems, not current. [17:39] alienBOB: Cancel, I was wrong. [17:39] It used to work fine, I don't why it fails [17:39] slava_dp: I guess I don't know what's going on after all. [17:39] Are you running KDE 4? [17:39] Anyway, see you later guys [17:40] Have a nice day [17:40] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [17:40] :-) [17:40] jkwood, i'm running the latest -current. [17:40] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.140.254) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [17:40] jkwood, yeah, kde4. [17:41] Okay, and you're running the latest hplip as well? [17:41] nullboy: check out xfburn sometime. [17:41] jkwood, yes. hplip-3.9.2-i486-1 [17:41] chopp: going now [17:41] Okay, well, that's not it. [17:42] hplip is working fine here on KDE 4.2.1 on Slamd64. [17:42] Action: slava_dp is studying .xsession-errors [17:42] Granted, I had to compile it myself... [17:42] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:43] rworkman: ping [17:44] vbatts: pong [17:46] praedictus (n=luser@201.19.115.155) joined ##slackware. [17:46] guidance power manager, debuging output to figure out why it doesn't suspend or hibernate? [17:46] beterraba (i=c8118f21@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-05dbf215ff38401d) joined ##slackware. [17:46] Nick change: panzer -> Panzer [17:46] Hello. Is there any way to disassemble a PE file on Linux? [17:46] argh [17:46] whats a decent torrent program that preferably has a GUI and is not rtorrent or azureus - also and SBo ? [17:47] vbatts: it should be using pm-{suspend,hiberante}, so check /var/log/pm-suspend.log [17:47] dusty_, ktorrent maybe [17:47] dusty_: deluge [17:47] i can pm-{suspend,hibernate} from cli, and it works, but guidance just locks the screen and nothing [17:48] script underway [17:48] under screen cos im not insane :) [17:48] dusty_: Vuze :p [17:49] dusty_: or transmission [17:49] vbatts: that makes no sense at all :/ [17:49] anyone know where slackpkg stores its job files? I corrupted one and can only update, can't upgrade. [17:49] vbatts: so it activates the screensaver? [17:50] rworkman: agreed [17:50] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:50] well at least xfburn works, thanks chopp [17:50] yes, just screensaver [17:50] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:50] vbatts: okay, do that, then after you unlock the screen, look at the log [17:50] hrm deluge looks good and it's on SBo. [17:50] nullboy: your welcome, I like it. [17:51] praedictus: /tmp/slackpkg-somethingorother, maybe /var/lib/slackpkg [17:52] I solved a few of my problems by removing ~/.kde [17:52] Unfortunately, however, X still hangs when I try to select a new color theme. [17:52] Nick change: []cipher -> [cipher] [17:53] GArik (n=wesnoth@mpd-2558.tvcom.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:53] Whitor (n=Whitor@rrcs-24-97-4-146.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:54] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.20) left irc: [17:54] ok will look there, thanks, I only found the package lists when i looked [17:56] yeah /var/lib/slackpkg is the package lists, and I don't see anything in /tmp [17:57] GArik (n=wesnoth@mpd-2558.tvcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:57] pprkut, does KDE4 even support keyboard shortcuts like KDE3 does? [17:58] ccfreak2k: er, yes, I think so [17:59] "Keyboard & Mouse" => "Standard keyboard shortcuts"? [17:59] Also the GTK styles and fonts setting appears to be missing. [17:59] I'm not sure if that was built-in or if I added it. [17:59] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.111) left ##slackware (".. Jesus paid it all, all to Him I owe..."). [17:59] that is an external application, gtk-qt-engine [17:59] GArik_ (n=wesnoth@mpd-2558.tvcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:59] Of course it does. [18:00] Stuff looks much better with gtk-qt-engine, as well. [18:00] I just use it to make the GTK font size a bit smaller. [18:00] Action: slava_dp should try removing ~/.kde too but is afraid of losing all his settings :) [18:00] Of course, if pprkut would release his build scripts for that... ;) [18:00] jkwood: except firefox. It looks like a real mess with gtk-qt [18:00] gtk-qt-engine is ugly [18:00] slava_dp, do what I didn't do: tar it first. [18:00] slava_dp: tar cjf .kde.tar.bz2 .kde [18:01] jkwood: ok, you've won. I'll push it to git, if BP{k} doesn't mind (his script on SBo) :) [18:01] pprkut: That's what http://ramonantonio.net/kde-firefox/ is for. [18:02] Action: jkwood bribes BP{k} with buhkit [18:02] There we go. [18:03] rworkman: the timestamp on /var/log/pm-suspend.log hasn't even changed, the suspend or hibernate function isn't even touching pm-suspend.log [18:03] jkwood: thanks for the link. MUCH better indeed :) [18:03] is there some kind of admin permission failure maybe? [18:05] Thank thrice`. He found it first. [18:05] thrice`: THANKS :) [18:06] Action: slava_dp 's been using that theme since kde 4.1.3 :-) [18:06] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [18:06] if i quit guidance, then start from cli, here's the output http://hashbangbash.com/~vbatts/guidance-output.txt [18:07] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:09] vbatts: aha [18:09] Copy this to /etc/dbus-1/system.d/hal.conf -- http://slackware.com/~rworkman/hal.conf.txt [18:10] I also vote for build script for gtk-qt! [18:11] beterraba (i=c8118f21@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-05dbf215ff38401d) left irc: Client Quit [18:12] There doesn't appear to be any keyboard shortcut options for "minimize all". [18:13] sinkigobopo_ (n=sinkigob@unaffiliated/sinkigobopo) joined ##slackware. [18:13] Whitor (n=Whitor@cpe-74-76-185-31.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:13] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.184.39) joined ##slackware. [18:16] sh0ne_ (n=sh0ne@93.86.208.90) joined ##slackware. [18:20] Hmm. [18:20] gtk-qt-engine-1.1 won't build. [18:22] add it to the list... [18:22] ccfreak2k, jkwood: pushed to git [18:23] I dunno what git repo you're talking about but ok. [18:23] ccfreak2k: http://github.com/pprkut/slackbuilds-beta/tree/master [18:23] Action: Camarade_Tux still wonders who PhantomX is [18:24] sinkigobopo (n=sinkigob@unaffiliated/sinkigobopo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:24] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:24] <3 [18:25] rworkman: would you mind if I push a krusader2 slackbuild based on yours to my git-repo? [18:25] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:26] Has anyone successfully got compiz fusion working with KDE 3.5 under slackware 12.2? If so how ? [18:29] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [18:32] dusty_: fusion-icon is the shortcut :P [18:32] dusty_: available from sbo too [18:32] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [18:32] Yep. [18:33] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@93.86.208.90) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:33] Just get the list of Compiz whatever packages from SBo made and run fusion-icon. [18:34] konus (n=cfa@staticline2725.toya.net.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:34] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:34] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) joined ##slackware. [18:35] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:35] martyw (n=zsakr@77.42.142.206) left ##slackware. [18:35] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) joined ##slackware. [18:36] erasing .kde did it. everything works as expected. bloody kde, always has trouble updating it's configuration. but at least it's beautiful :) [18:36] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-31-146.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:36] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [18:37] gabriel (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: "Leaving" [18:37] There's no shortcut option for minimize all...that's a downgrade imo. [18:39] ccfreak2k, yes there is. [18:40] add a "minimize all" plasma button then assign a shortcut to it. [18:40] i just did it and it works. [18:40] Meta + D does for me. [18:40] The hell is a plasma button? [18:41] ccfreak2k, using kde 4, i suppose? :) [18:41] Yeah. [18:41] aereinha (n=aereinha@cpe-76-84-191-84.neb.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:41] ccfreak2k, right click on the panel --> add widgets --> "minimize all" button [18:41] straterra (n=straterr@projectstfu.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:42] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:42] ... [18:42] Yeah...no such widgegt. [18:42] or "show desktop". there is one. [18:43] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:43] i'm using localized names so can't say for sure what it's called. [18:44] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [18:44] dngr (n=dngr@pcd553085.netvigator.com) left irc: SendQ exceeded [18:44] aereinha (n=aereinha@76.84.191.84) joined ##slackware. [18:45] macavity, what I just install fusion-icon and it works?? [18:45] There. [18:45] sdns` (n=swordfis@ip-149-126-ull.customer.panservice.it) left irc: Client Quit [18:45] dusty_, there's several packages you gotta get first. [18:46] Action: dusty_ nods just see [18:46] thanks :-] [18:46] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [18:48] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:49] does anyone know of an active mode public ftp i can connect to? [18:49] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423524.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:50] praedictus (n=luser@201.19.115.155) left irc: "Leaving" [18:50] tpollard_ (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [18:51] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:51] Nick change: tpollard_ -> tpollard [18:52] bijit (n=benji@201.198.72.142) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:53] nessundorma (n=mike@host247-57-dynamic.104-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "Leaving" [18:55] ecmicro (n=ecmicro@pa-67-239-42-84.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:55] gnubien (n=e@221.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:55] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [18:58] my server at home only works with active. [18:59] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:59] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:01] g0000ga (n=g0ga@93.127.71.15) left irc: "bb everybody" [19:02] GArik_ (n=wesnoth@mpd-2558.tvcom.ru) left irc: "Leaving" [19:04] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) joined ##slackware. [19:06] Do people think it's worth pitching to develop a new website for slackware.com? I think there are some improvements that could be made (http://alex-elliott.co.uk/slackware-site.html pretty much sums up my views), and I'd offer to do the work. [19:07] I'm not that much of a designer, more into the markup/backend side of things, that being said, I figure it could be something like: http://alex-elliott.co.uk/example.html [19:07] (that uses a few oxygen icons, so those would be given attribution in the footer) [19:08] dngr (n=dngr@pcd553085.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [19:08] what's wrong with the simple website already? [19:08] Click the link and read? [19:09] ccfreak2k: .... [19:09] ccfreak2k: i can be just as snide [19:10] I don't want to be rude about it, the site works, I just think there's enough new that could be added that makes it worth replacing. [19:10] Which is sort of why I'm asking, I don't want to come across with "your site isn't good enough" moreover, as adding value [19:10] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [19:10] AlexElliott: don't bother. Countless others have tried before you [19:11] Fair enough, disappointing, but not entirely unexpected [19:11] posixninja_ (n=posixnin@adsl-152-113-155.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [19:11] posixninja (n=posixnin@adsl-152-113-155.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:12] you should see what happened when someone tried to change the logo. utter chaos [19:12] It's proof that all Slackware users are autistic. [19:12] yeah that made a lot of sense [19:12] i'm not autistic [19:13] definitely 142 matches [19:13] Aslate (n=Aslate@78-86-174-102.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:14] AlexElliott: you could always set up your own site dedicated to Slackware [19:15] The issue with that is that it kind of goes against one of my criticisms, which is that everything is fragmented. [19:16] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-114-123.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:17] AlexElliott: I've just started reading but re: 2.1 and your fragmentation comment, look at where you are now. :) Slackers are probably more irc/mail/news-centric than most and a www site isn't the best way to herd us cats. [19:17] the kind of site you're talking about looks like it'd take a lot more maintenance than Pat is likely to have time for... Slackware is more-or-less a one-man show [19:18] i sense an epic flame war coming [19:18] Which could be remedied by delegation, but I can understand if he doesn't want to do that [19:18] Action: Urchlay sets up a booth and sells asbestos underwear [19:18] Action: Zosma strolls by and buys a shiny new pants of asbestos underwear. [19:18] Action: Zosma impresses the ladies. [19:19] Oh dear [19:19] Ladies die. [19:19] nullboy: my thermostat must be broken. Why a flamewar? [19:19] End of story :'( [19:19] It was the emperor's new underwear, and the ladies don't look that impressed :( [19:19] Boohoo! [19:19] :-P [19:19] As to fragmentation, that's kind of true, but the web is a better way of displaying some information. And this would largely help the newer people [19:20] i don't even use the slackware.com site [19:20] the only time i even see that url is if i am in people directories [19:21] i get changelogs directly from the mirrors [19:21] I don't see that that's an argument against a new one. [19:21] right - I think an rss feed would be cool, though, but that wouldn't require any massive redesign, would it? [19:21] right on the changelog from the mirrors I mean [19:22] No, it's fairly trivial to parse the changelogs to produce an RSS feed if you want to [19:22] on 2.6 sometimes old news items are removed between other items to keep the most important stuff on the page [19:22] AlexElliott: was i arguing? i think all i said was that i don't even use the main mian site [19:22] iow, there may be a three year gap in dates, but there probably wasn't a three year gap in updates [19:23] it was a simple statement out usage [19:23] of* [19:23] nullboy: fair enough, I assumed [19:24] anyway - I think an rss feed could be handy and more regular updates to give an impression of activity couldn't hurt, but wouldn't require any general change, and I like the website as it is now - like nullboy, I don't actually use it, but I like it. ;) [19:24] risperidon[off] (n=risperid@189.77.60.158) left irc: "Saindo" [19:25] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-31-146.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [19:26] bono (n=bono@118-160-175-127.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [19:26] Nick change: sinkigobopo_ -> sinkigobopo [19:26] AlexElliott: your proposed redesign features microscopic fonts... [19:27] Not smaller than the ones on slackware.com for me [19:27] Besides, in an actual implementation you could resize them [19:27] slakmagik: http://dev.slackware.it/rss/snap_slackware-current.xml and http://dev.slackware.it/rss/slackware-security.xml [19:27] the existing site doesn't specify a font size, it looks like it uses the browser default (which I keep cranked up higher than most people, being blinder than most people) [19:28] However, in this case, that's an image [19:28] ah [19:28] So it can't adapt, a real site would [19:28] oh, right, I'm being retarded, I didn't even notice it's an image :) [19:29] chopp: cool, thanks. :) I'll see if I prefer this. [19:30] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-97.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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[19:35] no, the homepage - http://alex-elliott.co.uk/ [19:36] I have a question [19:36] When I installed slack from DVD, I didn't install source (it's a very old laptop) [19:36] er, index page - sorry - I'm having some kind of brain problem [19:36] Now I am trying to write a kernel module and I'm having to use another computer which has the source installed [19:36] Oh, heh, good shout [19:36] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:36] My question is how can I install the source from DVD just as though I'd selected it initially? [19:37] I can't replicate odd rendering though [19:37] greetings and salutations [19:37] brixton: just mount the dvd and 'installpkg /path/to/src' [19:37] a-ha! I'll try that right now [19:39] slakmagik: fixed [19:39] Cheers [19:39] AlexElliott: cool :) [19:39] I was going to upload a screenshot of what seamonkey's doing, but I can't remember that img hosting place. Would that be helpful? [19:40] Um, there's imageshack [19:40] tinypic [19:40] Quite a few of them around, that's the one I remember [19:40] GArik (n=wesnoth@mpd-2558.tvcom.ru) left irc: "Leaving" [19:40] Sure, be interested to see what it's doing since I can't replicate it in my seamonkey [19:40] oh, thanks - I just googled it but imageshack was what I was trying to think of [19:40] hi5 (n=hi5@122.172.0.134) joined ##slackware. [19:41] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:41] Hi, [19:41] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-153-85.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] lo [19:41] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:42] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-153-85.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:42] I'm having trouble creating pipe files, anybody? Code is here: http://codepad.org/Oagy7j4i [19:42] AlexElliott: http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2350/fvwmss090316193843.png [19:42] I don't think the overlap in the divs is intended [19:42] anybody? [19:43] Nah, it is :p [19:43] rworkman: that didn't fix it. additionally, i tried xfce and its logout option to {suspend,hibernate}, and it actually threw a dialog that it failed because it would be executed with HAL, "which is unavailable" [19:43] Action: AlexElliott likes it :$ [19:43] hi5: aside from the compiler error that explicitly claims that openprot is not defined... no clue [19:44] hi5: i only know C [19:44] okay :) [19:44] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [19:44] macavity: Any other method in which I could create fifo/pipe files? [19:45] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [19:45] isabeIIa_ (i=b_c_k@41.236.13.29) joined ##slackware. [19:47] hi5: man 3 fifo [19:47] hi5: sorry: man 3 mkfifo [19:47] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.35.18) left irc: "Leaving" [19:47] slakmagik: On the DVD I have the linux source .tar.gz'd [19:47] can i slackpkg install /mnt/cdrom/source/k/linux-bla.tar.gz ? [19:48] hi5: Yes, but I trying to write a program that can encapsulate the properties of the file! [19:48] macavity: Yes, but I trying to write a program that can encapsulate the properties of the file! [19:48] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) left irc: "leaving" [19:48] brixton: well, if you need the kernel source as a slackware package, that's in slackware/k, iirc. If you need the plain source, just copy it over and do whatever you want with it like a normal tarball. [19:49] berkough (n=berkough@ip70-180-206-62.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:49] yeah, the k subdir has the slackpack of the kernel source that'll be installed to /usr/src [19:49] vbatts: are you in the "power" group? [19:49] hi5: im blank [19:49] Note - my internet *will* die soon, so if I disappear, sorry. [19:50] Action: andarius draws a smiley face on macavity [19:50] with buck teeth [19:50] AT&T has already gotten a bitch session about it, and they will soon get another if it's isn't fixed. [19:50] been there [19:50] except for me, Charter was the receiving end [19:50] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:50] I printed ten pages of logs for them :) [19:50] lol [19:51] mads- (n=piklort@pdpc/supporter/active/mads-) joined ##slackware. [19:51] rworkman: i e-mailed my ISP 2.2MB logs... with 1 sec granuality of when the DSL line was in sync, and when it was not :P [19:51] howdy... just installed 12.2, was wondering if someone could help me with a quick question [19:52] straterra (n=straterr@projectstfu.com) joined ##slackware. [19:52] Creating a new (The first) user in slackware, what groups would be a good idea to add my user to? [19:52] rworkman: ... funny how that insures that the techie who calls you is actually both educated and cluefull :P [19:52] ok slakmagik i tried it but i am getting lots of errors [19:52] :-( [19:52] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:52] mads-: are you using adduser or useradd? [19:52] andarius: if you are using adduser you shall just read the onscreen instructions on how to make it suggest the right thing for you [19:53] mads-: uhm, that was for you and not andarius [19:53] Action: andarius pokes macavity in the eye [19:53] andarius: dont fiddle my tab key! [19:53] macavity: adding the first user, what would you recommend using? :) [19:53] mads-: adduser [19:53] umm, how does a hosed tab get and* from mad* :P [19:53] brixton: I may not be understanding what you're trying to do then - what sort of errors? [19:53] I'm coming to slackware from ubuntu. So I don't know much about command line tools [19:53] mads-: slackbook.org [19:53] mads-: i mean it.. [19:54] macavity : Roger that :) [19:54] thanks [19:54] mads-: otherwise this is going to be hell for you.. and us :P [19:54] mads- I use both, currently running a slack box.... if you dig fluxbox or other minimal window managers, then slack is your distro [19:54] i run slackware with a full blown KDE [19:54] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.242) left irc: "Leaving." [19:54] berkough : I was thinking about giving awesome a try.. :) [19:55] that's the fully decked out version? [19:55] all the graphical bells and whistles? [19:55] yup [19:55] 1.21 gigawatts of whistle power. [19:56] heh, for sure [19:56] upgrade to 1.21 yottawatts of xfce :P [19:56] i recompiled the packages to use -march=i686 -Os instead of -march=i468 -mtune=i686 -O2 [19:56] .. since it tends to load a little faster (im permanently on a laptop) [19:56] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [19:57] I think that stuff is cool, it just gets in my way more than I find it useful, I can't argue that it does look beautiful though [19:57] jiffypop (n=ace@mobile-166-217-128-119.mycingular.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] i disable the compositor though [19:57] ah, i am stil on 12.1 [19:57] so no such posh recent day inventions here :P [19:59] uhm.. ill pay the one who gets "torrentfs" into the kernel mainline :P [20:00] it shall have just one property over normal journaled filesystems: it may not fragment *ever* [20:00] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.242) joined ##slackware. [20:00] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [20:01] hi [20:01] hi [20:01] ello [20:01] seetings and gralutations [20:01] Action: NaCl waves [20:02] Action: nullboy particles [20:02] Action: andarius accellerates nullboy [20:02] Action: macavity makes sure the hydrogen leaks [20:02] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:02] Action: NaCl me watches the shiny explosion [20:03] NaCl: epicircfail :P [20:03] Ow. My feelings. [20:04] superGear (i=ESAYbY@c-71-229-156-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [20:04] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [20:06] NaCl: Feelings?... what programming languge are you written in?!? [20:06] noobish (i=noobish@12.170.31.226) joined ##slackware. [20:06] Aslate (n=Aslate@78-86-174-102.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:06] Python, obviously. [20:07] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:07] my fellow programs written in python has never shown any sing of feelings before.. is there an update to the runtime? [20:07] First line: import soul [20:08] i only though programs written in arcane dialects of lisp were allowed to have feelings [20:08] hi5 (n=hi5@122.172.0.134) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [20:08] import fails, satan has dibbs [20:08] like elisp... [20:08] rworkman: i've now added myself and tried it on xfce and kde, no change. [20:08] clearly emacs has feelings.. and he does *not* like me... [20:08] What? emacs has my soul?! [20:08] i dropped to init 3, and started xfce, tried to suspend and looked to see output. [20:09] http://hashbangbash.com/~vbatts/20090316-xfce-output.txt [20:09] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [20:09] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left ##slackware. [20:10] berkough (n=berkough@ip70-180-206-62.lv.lv.cox.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:10] vbatts: does "id" suggest you're in hte power group? [20:10] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:10] thrice`: yes [20:16] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [20:17] ecmicro (n=ecmicro@pa-67-239-42-84.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [20:20] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [20:20] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:24] so, i installed slack on an ide drive in /dev/hdd. It's now moved to hda. Kernel hangs trying to mount /dev/sda3 as /mnt before the fs check. I renamed references to hdd in fstab and renamed the nodes in initrd-tree from hdd to hda. At no point did I have any sda device accessible during installation... ? [20:24] sh0ne_ (n=sh0ne@93.86.208.90) left irc: "Leaving" [20:25] noobish, did you rebuilt your initrd? [20:25] i built it, not rebuilt it [20:25] using vmlinuz, no prior initrd [20:25] oh [20:25] i misunderstood, yes i rebuilt it [20:25] did you attempt to boot using the huge kernel ? [20:26] i have not tried booting without the initrd [20:26] try booting the huge kernel, as it is what the installer uses if i recall [20:27] yeah the installer uses hugesmp [20:27] Cotowar (n=mike@adsl-235-74-54.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:27] pretty sure i'm booting hugesmp [20:27] then why do you have an initrd ? [20:28] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Client Quit [20:28] trying to load aic7xxx module before MPT bios starts initing drives [20:28] as in http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slack-12.2-installation-problems-with-lsi-scsi-mptbase-error-messages-690176/ [20:29] should i try the generic kernel instead? [20:30] Aslate (n=Aslate@78-86-174-102.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:31] you may want to read the post you just linked to a bit more attentively. a generic kernel is noted as being used in it [20:31] the OP used huge pretty sure [20:31] making an initrd is kind of pointless since using the huge kernel has the module built in [20:31] middle post suggested generic [20:31] the OP ? [20:31] what op [20:31] original poster [20:31] so huge precludes use of a rd? [20:32] and the original poster had a problem [20:32] next post recommended a fix, third post said the fix worked [20:32] there is a certain order to thing, even a forum post [20:32] s/thing/things/ [20:33] well [20:33] that's all good to try, after i fix this problem here [20:33] how did sda3 creep in [20:36] make sure you are booting the same kernel used for install. if the drive order changes under those conditions it could be a udevil [20:36] noobish: in /boot/ you will find the config files for all the kernels.. if you need to know if something is compiled in, or as a module, just grep the file [20:36] "udevil" lulz! [20:37] lol [20:39] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [20:40] so if I move around modules in config, they'll load in that order? 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[20:50] noobish : are you talking about order of options in .config? don't change it, and no - it won't affect the module loading order [20:50] ananke: yes, ok [20:50] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:50] then i need an initrd [20:51] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:52] mads- (n=piklort@pdpc/supporter/active/mads-) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )" [20:52] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.5.236) joined ##slackware. [20:52] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: [20:56] ananke: if by .config you meant the kernel config file in /boot, then yes [20:57] blah i'm going for a reinstall. Can't figure out why it's looking for sda [20:57] noobish : by the way, that file is there only for your information. it's not used for anything [20:57] that was my question [20:58] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [20:59] superGear (i=1000@c-71-229-156-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:03] risperidon (n=risperid@189.77.60.158) joined ##slackware. [21:03] ah... somehow I had sda3 in the mkinitrd call... I think [21:04] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] sorrofix (n=computer@204.174.89.37) joined ##slackware. [21:06] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.24.171) joined ##slackware. [21:15] looks like slackware's current installer can use ext4 :) [21:16] ecks-_ (n=explicit@c-24-19-202-155.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:17] Yeah, it was added recently IIRC. [21:17] Slackware is getting dangerously close to current software. :) [21:18] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-182-35.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:18] SuN (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:19] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.35.140) joined ##slackware. [21:19] majikman (n=adam@ip65-44-150-234.z150-44-65.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [21:19] SuN (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [21:20] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Saindo" [21:21] Come now. Slackware is for old people, *Debian* is for old software. [21:21] majikman (n=adam@ip65-44-150-234.z150-44-65.customer.algx.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:21] hahaha [21:22] majikman (n=adam@ip65-44-150-234.z150-44-65.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [21:25] dissocia2ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-137-221.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. 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[21:44] garme (n=garme@189-92-151-106.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: SendQ exceeded [21:44] Pig_Pen, it's also the distro for those not gay enough to use opensuse :P [21:44] yup :D [21:45] garme (n=garme@189-92-151-106.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:45] garme (n=garme@189-92-151-106.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: SendQ exceeded [21:45] garme (n=garme@189-92-151-106.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:46] now seriously, opensuse is beautiful [21:47] v4nelle (n=van@adsl134-146.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:47] shame it's rpm based ;> [21:47] i tryed suse before novell bought it, did not like it [21:47] opensuse is nice [21:48] I normally don't like rpm-based distros.. but opensuse is that exception [21:48] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:49] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.56.180) joined ##slackware. [21:50] nice, it panics in virtualbox [21:50] what does? [21:50] opensuse? [21:51] yes [21:51] Action: andarius would panic if put in a box against his will too :( [21:52] especially if it wasn't even a real box [21:52] claustrophobia [21:52] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:52] talk about imagined prisons :| [21:53] i actually prefer the stock kde4 look than the style opensuse applies [21:53] ananke, you dont happen to have the opensuse dvd in your ftp server right? :) [21:54] spook: what's the body count today?? [21:54] Dominian: so opensuse is decent again? I last ran opensuse at 10.1 and YAST was horribly broken [21:54] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:55] hitest: yeah it works great [21:55] ty [21:55] nachox: Is this virtualbox ose or the binary installer? [21:55] the solaris package :) [21:55] and that is ose edition or? [21:55] Did you turn on the sata harddrive controller? [21:56] might get better results [21:56] dissocia2ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-137-221.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:56] i have no idea how to do that [21:56] easy [21:56] open up Vbox [21:56] go to the settings for your virtual machine [21:56] look at the hard drive settings.. there should be a checkbox for it [21:58] LikeVinyl (n=desdemon@200.125.80.200) joined ##slackware. [21:58] saw it [21:59] that seems to help speed up the vm as well.. [21:59] plus it appears that most things nowadays install better to SATA [22:00] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:00] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:03] http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.28.8 [22:03] bono (i=bono@118-168-235-194.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [22:04] Dominian, http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?dd85ce6046.png [22:05] is that the installer, or post-installation ? [22:05] nachox: is that what it was doing before? [22:05] it's the installer [22:05] and how did you install it? [22:05] weird... I've never had it do that to me during installation [22:05] VM or hardware [22:06] it's linux, it sucks ;) [22:06] heh [22:06] nachox: what version of Vbox is taht? [22:07] the latest [22:07] k [22:07] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:09] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@203.162.163.61) joined ##slackware. [22:09] risperidon (n=risperid@189.77.60.158) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:09] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] diabolix (n=jordan@c-67-165-58-215.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:11] anyone know how to copy a directory ignoring hidden files? [22:11] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:11] cp [22:12] sIRC_ (n=sIRC_@122-148-175-5.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) joined ##slackware. [22:12] hba (n=hba@189.188.141.215) joined ##slackware. [22:12] sleepytime for me [22:12] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [22:14] nachox, i'm looking at the man page. i must not be seing what you are. [22:14] diabolix, cp -r ignores hidden files, try it yourself [22:14] okibisan (i=1000@24-158-197-146.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:14] anyone get mono(flickrnet) working on slackware? [22:15] nachox: remember i asked the same thing? lol [22:15] cp -a vs cp -ra [22:15] -a** [22:15] crap. [22:16] huh? [22:16] cp -r won't take . files [22:16] cp -r seems to copy hidden files. [22:16] ... [22:16] anyone? [22:17] get what? :) [22:17] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) joined ##slackware. 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[22:20] maybe he needs win32-genuine-advantage.dll :) [22:20] checking for FLICKRNET... configure: error: Package requirements (flickrnet) were not met: [22:20] while compiling anything that requires it [22:21] I would do something like; ls -l | grep -v "^.svn$" | xargs -n 1 -iHERE cp -R HERE dest [22:22] diabolix, cp [^.]* dest [22:22] ohterwise, tar pipes [22:22] this has a directory structure that i want to keep. [22:23] and every subfolder has a .svn folder, so i like the tar pipe idea. [22:24] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.43.20.19) joined ##slackware. [22:24] diabolix, tar has en exclude crap [22:25] mmmm tar pipe. [22:26] diabolix: You want svn export. [22:26] svn export . /path/to/new/directory [22:26] sIRC_ (n=sIRC_@122-148-175-5.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) left irc: [22:26] tar pipes over ssh is faster than scp on slow networks. [22:28] jkwood, awsomeness. [22:28] okibisan (i=1000@24-158-197-146.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:28] s/ws/wes/ [22:28] jkwood, thanks. 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[22:47] jiffypop (n=ace@mobile-166-217-083-170.mycingular.net) left irc: "forget about all that macho shit and learn how to play the guitar -> John mellencamp said that" [22:48] aereinha (n=aereinha@76.84.191.84) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:51] erizoe (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:55] jota-_ (n=jota@190.6.2.24) joined ##slackware. [22:55] jota-_ (n=jota@190.6.2.24) left irc: Client Quit [22:57] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:00] dizbin (n=dizbin@c-24-19-155-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:03] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [23:03] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.5.236) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:05] Today is March 17 The Feast of the Blessed Leprechaun [23:06] sweet [23:06] almost missed that one [23:06] what's for dinner? [23:06] leprechauns? [23:06] lol [23:07] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:08] Oo green little midget porn. Yumm [23:08] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:08] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [23:09] RaeGrepus (i=1000@c-71-229-156-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:09] RaeGrepus (i=1000@c-71-229-156-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:10] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.184.39) left irc: "leaving" [23:11] agentc0re: okay. as long as it isn't weird stuff [23:13] :) [23:14] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:14] Deal! ;) [23:17] leprechaun on the cob? [23:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-15-60.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-104.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:17] or just leprechaundiments on the side? [23:17] Is it my cob and is a girl leprechaun? ;) [23:18] I think leprechauns are like hobbits, the girls are just as hairy as the guys [23:18] so you might not be able to tell... [23:18] Heh. [23:18] cup check maybe? [23:19] what, like crocodile dundee? [23:19] Exactly! [23:19] I find your train of thought... disturbing. [23:19] DEATH CAT on house ! [23:20] Hrmm the dark side i sense in you.... [23:20] after the midget gets out of prison, do you call him a lepre-ex-chaun? [23:20] (sorry, I have a bad hobbit of coming up with stuff like that...) [23:22] nathanbw (n=nathan@67-60-226-125.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:23] agentc0re: one piece of advice for you: if you're going to get it on with midgets... [23:23] ...make sure you wear a leprechaundom [23:24] lol [23:25] I should make a GPO for work that makes everyones BG green. [23:26] last year on St. Patty's Day, I completely forgot I wasn't wearing green [23:27] some woman came up & pinched the hell out of me, and I stupidly sat there wondering "WTF was that all about?" [23:28] i would have pepper sprayed her [23:28] probably should have thought of something clever to say. And I did... about an hour later [23:29] nullboy: You need green pepper spray for that. [23:29] just don't drink the green beer [23:29] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: "Where ever you may be, be well. Namarië." [23:29] beer is good [23:30] green beer is usually the crappy beer they can't get rid of under normal circumstances [23:30] twolf++ [23:31] Urchlay: Hey, if it's free.. I'll take it. [23:31] it'll be miller high life, or pabst blue ribbon... [23:31] PBR FTW! [23:31] eh? where do you live that they give away free green beer? [23:31] ... My house? [23:31] My fridge gives it to me for free. [23:32] how does it get in the fridge? magic? [23:32] that means you need to drink it much faster :P [23:32] leprechauns stock the fridge while you're sleeping? [23:32] Lots of magic, midgets and monkeys. [23:33] jordan_ (n=jordan@c-67-165-58-215.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:33] You see, Magic created the midgets. The Midgets are used to train the monkeys to steal the beer, because who the fuck is going to stop a beer stealing monkey? [23:34] hey don't raise your voice like that when the lion is around [23:35] you've been playing too much Midget: The Blathering [23:35] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: "Leaving" [23:36] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-104.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:37] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) got netsplit. [23:37] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) got netsplit. [23:37] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) got netsplit. 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[23:38] ph|ber (n=phiber@8.7.103.195) returned to ##slackware. [23:38] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:38] hi agentc0re|work [23:38] WB! [23:39] wow [23:39] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:39] srsly guys. u guys. srsly http://www.wackyarchives.com/bizarre/the-manga-pc.html [23:40] diabolix (n=jordan@c-67-165-58-215.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:40] nullboy: that makes me think of the guy in the movie Serenity who married his robot [23:41] srsly? [23:41] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [23:41] srsly. [23:41] Yo! folks ... creepy pic,nullboy [23:41] can't afford vowels? [23:41] some people have waaaaay to much time on there hands. [23:41] Urchlay: srsly [23:42] nullboy: Haha, thats funny. [23:42] lol [23:42] http://98.192.3.170:34224/~andarius/images/srsly-u-guys.jpg [23:42] LOL [23:42] srsly indeed [23:43] Notice the nice blue windows login screen. [23:43] manga project /fail! [23:44] would have been cool had the pc been inside. instead it is more like a pc backpack :( [23:44] Agreed. [23:44] Agreed. [23:44] most people would just set their wallpaper to a picture of the girl... [23:44] it would have only been cool if her eyes were the projector lenses [23:44] Plug in your mouse and keyboard through the nipples. Other accessories else where. :P [23:45] LOL [23:45] pcmcia slot between the legs? [23:45] Urchlay: The possibilities are endless. [23:46] user port guys, user port ... [23:46] You'd definately need some cute Japanese girl "Ooohh" voice when you plug stuff in though. [23:46] with that i part ways. may you all have a good $time :) [23:46] lol [23:46] Later andarius. 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[23:56] what did you think of the sequel to ghost in the shell? [23:57] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left ##slackware. [23:57] Never seen it. [23:58] been a long time since I saw either one [23:58] think there were 20 years between the two [23:59] ubuild (n=ubuild@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:00] --- Tue Mar 17 2009