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[00:37] oops, i'm confused, kde work now [00:44] without doing any change, except i'm reinstall the consolekit [00:44] nayone run lighttpd on slack [00:46] latemus, Yeah [00:46] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.34.212) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [00:48] MS3FGX, mind taking a look? i can't get php to work as fastcgi. i read all the docs on lighttpd.net. => http://paste.lighttpd.net/1069 [00:50] iceheart (~root@221.235.188.76) left irc: Quit: ‚» [00:51] latemus, Not really my thing, don't use PHP/CGI on my site. Sorry. [00:52] latemus: I've considered doing so. Apache is becoming bloatware. [00:52] NP. [00:52] Action: sinuhe notes how sad it is that 1.3 is deprecated. [00:52] sinuhe: i agree [00:53] Akuma (~Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [00:53] hello, is it possible to upgrade directly from 11.0 to 13.0 without going through the versions between? [00:54] Akuma, in my opinion, no. do a fresh 13.0 install, as a LOT has changed. [00:54] Akuma, Possible, probably. But I wouldn't suggest it at all [00:54] actually, wait just a bit and 13.1 will be out [00:54] in theory, if you downloaded all the CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT and read them all, maybe, but it's too risky imho [00:55] I see, so it would be a better idea to just do a fresh install [00:55] Action: Delahunt thinks so [00:55] Great! Thanks for your help! [00:55] I appreciate it [00:59] you're welcome [01:00] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.34.212) joined ##slackware. [01:02] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:04] latemus.. [01:05] you compiled php rather than using the one that came with slack ? [01:05] lulz [01:05] latemus, i've never tried it with sockets, try having it connect to the proper port [01:05] Not wanting a flame war on MTAs, what about Slackware and Postfix? [01:05] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-139.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [01:06] sinuhe: SBo has a build script for Postfix. [01:06] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427439.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:06] BP{k}: Not asking how to add Postfix. The question is tailored to why Pat is sticking with Sendmail. [01:07] jeev: i compiled php because the build that comes with slackware has apache specific options compiled in. the lighttpd wiki said that could be why fastcgi wasnt working for me, so i just recompled it. [01:07] sinuhe: perhaps he prefers it that way. [01:08] sinuhe, ever asked him? [01:08] latemus, i remember an easy easy easy easy change for slackware + lighttpd [01:08] i just forgot where and when i did it [01:08] you should've tried the sbopkg, maybe i saw it there [01:08] jeev: by connect to the proper port do you mean use host => 127.0.0.1 and port = 1026 or whatever, rather than socket? [01:09] yea fastcgi.server = ( ".php" =>( "localhost" =>("host" => "127.0.0.1","port" => 9000 ))) [01:09] is how mine is [01:09] that's freebsd. [01:09] Delahunt: I haven't. I'm not sure my curiosity justifies bothering him. [01:09] jeev: k i'll try that. but how do you tell php-cgi to listen on that port? [01:09] you may need spawn_fcgi, let me try to remember how i did mine [01:10] or at least where [01:10] I've been a hardened Sendmail user for years, but in the last 2-3 years I've tried out Postfix, and found it a beautiful example of Unix programming done right. [01:10] okay. thanks alot; it's been a long couple of days [01:10] :) [01:10] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-66-243-238-36.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:12] sinuhe, are you a programmer? [01:13] Delahunt: A Linux instructor. [01:13] sinuhe, are you a programmer? [01:13] Error: please answer yes or no [01:14] Delahunt: Heh. I do a lot of shell scripting, and assist programming a custom build system for our courseware. [01:14] do you program in the languages that postfix is written in? [01:14] i mean, i'm starting to wonder if this is like an american who doesn't know japanese calling japanese poetry beautiful [01:15] Delahunt: that made no sense [01:15] lol [01:15] don't you mean klingon poetry [01:15] vogon [01:15] latemus, i cant find it now.. [01:15] keenken (~keenken@adsl-99-30-144-105.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: keenken [01:15] you should try undoing everything you did [01:15] oh yes the vogons [01:15] slackin: made perfect snese to me [01:16] FriedBob: actually yea, i get it now [01:16] Delahunt: What is a programmer? comes to mind. I don't think I'm good enough to be a "programmer," but I do program. In terms of Postfix, no, I have not dug through the code to compare with Sendmail. Could I read the code? I imagine I could understand some of it, but not all of it. [01:16] FriedBob: im dyslexic, sometimes i have to re-read stuff a couple times before i get it right [01:16] deco (deco@unaffiliated/deco) left ##slackware. [01:16] slackin: I'm not, but I often do have to myself. Esp when my brain isn't working fully. [01:16] jeev: thanks for the tip. i'll try it with host and port instead of socket and bin-path. [01:17] keenken (~keenken@adsl-99-30-144-105.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:17] hrm.. youtube's html5 videos aren't cached [01:17] i just remember getting php to work with lighttpd was a cinch, i think just permissions of /var or something or something in there [01:17] html5 [01:17] is that out yet? [01:17] like officialy [01:17] echelon, cant wait for the day i dont have to install flash on a system.. (windows) but it'll never happen [01:18] officially* [01:18] latemus, found the server.. [01:18] jeev, what is so bad about flash? [01:18] Delahunt: My judgement of Postfix is in administering it vs Sendmail, and seeing the Postfix seems more efficient, and better designed (modularity of services, etc.). I also see the numerous security patches that roll through sendmail upstream, vs. Postfix, which makes me wonder. Finally, it is becoming widely adopted as the right solution by those I would expect to be in the know. A cursory judgement? Perhaps, but am I out of bounds, therefore, to ask th [01:19] how will html5 even omit flash? [01:19] s/the Pos/that Pos/ [01:19] "socket" => "/var/run/lighttpd/php-fastcgi.socket", [01:19] "bin-path" => "/usr/bin/php-cgi -c /etc/lighttpd/php.ini" [01:19] keenken, getting hax0red [01:19] well apple is helping pave the way for non-flash multimedia [01:19] keenken, it's not official but you can opt-in for html5 if you use google-chrome [01:19] latemus, no diff between php.ini in /etc/httpd and /etc/lighttpd [01:20] but it's not supported for all videos [01:20] sinuhe, so basically what you're saying is that you are as close to knowing japanese as i am: not close at all :P [01:20] chown root:lighttpd /var/lib/php or -R i dont know [01:20] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:20] Delahunt: I suspect your argument is side step from my question. [01:21] Drawing the strawman, so to speak [01:21] sinuhe, no i'm just wondering why you're calling something beautiful poetry when you don't know how to read said poetry [01:21] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-95-214.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:21] your enthusiasm is to be admired, however [01:21] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-66-243-238-36.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [01:22] i think that's the best channel on freenode. LOL [01:23] could you repeat that joke again : "error: answer yes or no" [01:23] lol [01:23] Delahunt: Following your analogy, one does not have to read poetry to hear it, and be mesmerized by its rhythm, the meaning of its words (formulaic or deconstructist), to be mesmerized by its imagery, even if explained by someone else. Your analogy means nothing to me, because it doesn't answer my question. [01:23] sinuhe, maybe i wasn't trying to answer your question [01:24] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-177.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:25] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [01:25] arenics (1000@unaffiliated/arenics) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:25] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:26] How can I tell what cipher and key strength my LUKS/dm-crypt LVs are? [01:27] dimm0k (~dimm0k@pool-98-113-53-189.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:27] in a bash script, is it possible to pass the environment variable $SSH_CLIENT to a program such as mailx? 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[01:34] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [01:35] dimm0k you just pass it like any other variable 'mailx $SSH_CLIENT' [01:38] hi - I've been playing around a little bit with slackware64 multilib and I was wondering . . . when there are upgrades is there any reason *not* to 'removepkg' all of the multilibs and rebuild from an upgraded 32-bit tree? Is there any reason to keep some of the older libs that will no longer exist in 64-bit? [01:39] Delahunt: What were you trying to do? [01:40] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:41] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:41] is it normal for the files in /usr/share/sgml/docbook/sgml-dtd-4.5 to be owned by the user and not root? [01:41] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:43] when I use sane or xsane or anything related like xscanimage I get this error: error while loading shared libraries: libgphoto2.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [01:47] sinuhe (~sinuhe@166.70.206.22) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:49] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:50] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) joined ##slackware. [01:57] dimm0k - I don't know what's 'normal' (I don't know a lot of other things) but for what it's worth, I checked on my system and they're '-rw-r--r-- root root' - (I hope I'm not speaking out of turn) [01:58] U R, dont ever do it again! [01:58] cant u see the important convo! [01:58] how dare you? [01:58] j/k [01:58] whew!! [01:58] im no body, just a stoner who loves to mess with people [01:58] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:00] /buffer 3 [02:00] i know fail :) [02:00] darn fingers [02:01] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [02:02] heya Rat409 [02:02] hey fire|bird how goes it? [02:03] Rat409, goes great, thanks you? Using weechat I see (/buffer) :P [02:03] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:03] fire|bird: indeed :) [02:03] Rat409, using the latest 0.3.2? [02:03] and sakura so no alt-2,etc... [02:04] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:04] ah, yeah, that's the one thing that annoyes me about sakura, otherwise it's nice. [02:04] fire|bird: no 0.3.1.1 atm [02:04] Rat409, been using that more than irssi lately? [02:05] yes,have to admit it,i've used irssi longer than any client but weechat now [02:05] yeah, I've been messing with weechat a good amount lately as well. [02:06] alth the irssi devel was collaborating w/weechat-devel,not sure if they still are tho [02:06] Rat409, messing with any other dm's or sticking around pekwm, etc? [02:07] fire|bird: 1st thing i do is lose the nicklist,old habits i guess :) [02:07] lol [02:07] in fluxbox for nostalgia [02:07] dchmelik: looks like you're trying to use packages of one that aren't in sync with the other. [02:07] I usually keep the nicklist around and then load the buffers script. [02:07] yuh its pretty darn versatile [02:08] Rat409, yeah, I like that weechat (not sure if irssi can do this) but you can give weechat more than just a couple nicks to use, and I have a fair # of nicks and sometimes have more than one irc client going. :P [02:09] yup [02:10] I've been using KDE mostly lately, was messing with some wm's last week though. [02:10] cool,variety is nice [02:10] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [02:10] i like them all,just in varying degrees :P [02:10] lol, yeah, same here. [02:11] dimm0k (~dimm0k@pool-98-113-53-189.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:12] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:14] Rat409, latest flux screenshot from about a week ago: http://i.imgur.com/eVqV2.jpg [02:15] rworkman, I am not sure what you mean. They are both the packages from 13.0 [02:16] except I do not know if that gphoto library is in some package [02:17] fire|bird: looking [02:17] dchmelik: do you have libgphoto2 installed? [02:17] I have gphoto2-2.4.5-x86_64-1 [02:18] fire|bird: very nice ! [02:18] stunix (1000@85.19.183.21) left irc: Quit: brb. [02:18] dchmelik: that's not what I asked. [02:18] ls -l /usr/lib/libgphoto2.so.2 [02:18] so that is different? [02:19] well, I do not have what mancha mentioned [02:19] oh hrmm, _64 means /usr/lib64/* innit [02:19] I do not have it in lib64 either [02:19] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:19] ls -l /usr/lib64/libgphoto2* [02:20] as I said,.I do not have it in /usr/lib64 [02:20] nothing of libgphoto2* [02:20] Full install. Do that. [02:20] I guess I will do that next time [02:21] so you need to install libgphoto dchmelik [02:21] should be in your "l" dir [02:22] it says it is just something for digital cameras [02:22] I guess it will be useful anyway [02:23] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:23] actually I think it had not worked for my camera so I did not install it this time [02:23] i was wrong about xfce 4.6.2 it seems :( [02:24] If you can't figure out problems like this on your own, you *must* do a full install. [02:25] isn't 4.6.2 scheduled to friday somewhere next week? [02:25] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [02:25] BP{k} oh is it!! :) i had gotten an email saying this friday (past) i thought and so when it didn't happend chalked it off to bad info [02:26] Friday next week 18:00 UTC [1] I will start tagging the releases for Xfce 4.6.2 (mailing list post on Wed, 12 May 2010) [02:27] oh ok! i think maybe i readit it too quickly and just noted the "Friday" and deleted the email. [02:29] i am sort of at 4.6.2 though, i think. i've ug'd thunar, exo, libxfcegui, panel, and settings. have others released stables? [02:32] anyone here know how to set the PS1 for the terminal? [02:32] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) joined ##slackware. [02:33] PS1="\[\033[01;31m\]\h\[\033[01;34m\] \W \$\[\033[00m\]" isn't working :-\ [02:33] nvm got it 0_o [02:33] typos lol [02:35] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-231.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. 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[03:00] I downloaded it as a .tgz file but i'm not sure if I can actually install it on slackware [03:04] Jungli (jungli@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-spdgavkjdncqcxsh) joined ##slackware. [03:04] .tgz is a long standing suffix often used for gzipped tarballs [03:04] don't assume when you see one that it is a slackware "package" [03:05] lol i am salckware [03:05] yea i know... i was asking if anyone has gotten it working in slackware before since it's just a zipped tarball [03:05] i figured at least perahps one person knew how to get it working :-\ [03:05] since it's not really "installed" it's precompiled etc [03:06] those are often not too bad....try and see if there's an rpm for it. then you can piggyback off their structure [03:07] i actually got it "installed" and running but what leaves me wondering is this.... how can I get it so that it starts up on boot and starts using a user named "splunk"? [03:07] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:07] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:08] well the run-as functionality might be an option inherent to splunk (what is it btw?). if not, you can always launch as root from say rc.local and force to a user [03:08] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [03:08] mancha: how would I go about doing that [03:08] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: Quit: .. [03:09] What's the exact name of the tgz file you have? [03:09] One of the Slackware guys works for splunk, so it's possible that they distribute a package. [03:10] say the binary to run is /usr/bin/splunk. then in rc.local you'd put "su - splunk -c /usr/bin/splunk" [03:10] splunk-4.1.2-79191-Linux-i686.tgz [03:10] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:10] Okay, definitely not a Slackware package. [03:10] you need to set up a user splunk first. [03:11] yea, how can i create a user that can't technically log-in if that makes any sense [03:11] like no bash terminal [03:11] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) joined ##slackware. [03:11] add the user as usual [03:12] use /bin/false as his shell [03:12] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [03:12] so does slackware ship with a defualt gui configuration tool for wifi [03:12] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-139.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [03:12] it wont let me change the shell [03:12] :( [03:13] eh? [03:13] keeps going back to "Shell [/bin/bash] _ [03:13] I type /bin/false [03:13] oh, it prolly checks /etc/shells [03:13] yea [03:13] add /bin/false to /etc/shells [03:13] should i add it to /etc/shells lol [03:15] so how do i modify rc.local? [03:15] edit it like any other file [03:15] where is it though? /etc/ [03:15] ? [03:16] mancha: and to answer your question before... splunk is a nice handy tool to help index all the logs in the system etc... [03:16] Jungli (jungli@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-spdgavkjdncqcxsh) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:16] you can throw multiple logs at it and it gives you a nice google-like searchable interface to find things.... you can then track trends, etc [03:16] show changes over time [03:16] etc [03:17] sooo if you had a log that kept track of ping times to a certain server for instance... you could have it graph it in a nice web2.0 style interface [03:17] lol [03:17] and if you get a "enterprise" license (which i can't afford) you can have it crunch data from multiple machines [03:18] ah ok. [03:19] so I added it to the rc.local file, how do i force it to the user "splunk" [03:19] could I use "su" to do it i'm guessing? [03:20] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:21] anyone care to wager....which comes first: slackware 13.1 or 2.6.34 ? [03:22] hrmm, maybe a ranking by order of release: a) 2.6.34; b) 13.1; c) ff 3.6.4 [03:25] a [03:27] b [03:27] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) left irc: Quit: velusip [03:27] put some odds on those :-p [03:28] mancha: so how would I add a bash script I just made that starts it to the rc.local to start as the user "splunk" [03:28] I'll wager the funds left on my Timmies card [03:29] and why do I have to type "bash" in front of every script :( is there a way to disable that or is it not reccomended [03:29] hrmm, alpha's got inside knowledge :> [03:30] http://omegageek.dyndns.org/~erik/timmies.png < yes, they do actually exist :) [03:30] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.22.135) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:31] pardon the graininess.. 0.3 MP webcam in a dark room [03:31] timmey [03:31] 0.3MP is from when? [03:32] mancha:? [03:32] any ideas? [03:32] mancha: it's in my eeepc 1001p [03:32] this is killing me -- I have slackware 13 running -- with the wifi on a laptop -- so far i see three places that you configure wifi rc.inet1.conf rc.wireless.conf and wpa_supplicant but its like anyone i edit .. i can't get my WEP access point working [03:32] at some point we've got to stop, what're digital cameras (point and shoot) at now? 12MP or more? [03:33] mancha, around 14-15MP [03:33] since it's an embedded usb device, I've been toying with the idea of ripping it out & replacing it with something a bit more.. pixelier [03:33] seriously, unless you're gonna blow it up billboard style, do we really need that? [03:33] indeed [03:34] mancha, The camera I have is 10MP, honestly, I think for most people (aside from professionals) that is more than enough. [03:34] f'bird, i totally agree. 10mp is perfectly fine. [03:34] I have a kodak easyshare c613 that's rated as 6.2 MP. default image size is friggin' huge [03:34] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.14.21) joined ##slackware. [03:35] ok, i tried adding the splunk script into rc.local it's not booting on start :( any ideas? [03:35] cypherpunko (root@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware. [03:35] alphageek, yeah, even around 7.2MP (of which I have 3 cameras) they take great pictures and, as you said, produce huge images, more than what the average person needs. [03:35] i bought an early sony to play with, low mp (by today's standards) but it looked fine to me [03:36] how many mancha? [03:36] King i don't recall now and i no longer have the camera :/ [03:36] peacenik (cyberian@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [03:37] I even still have a 4MP camera (Pentax Optio S40) that takes very decent pictures. [03:37] the ironic thing is, cameras pimping huge MP figures typically have sensors that are only 1/4 to 3/4 of the quoted figure [03:37] mancha: what were you talking about before when you said rc.local [03:37] i'm completely confused [03:38] alpha, there's that and there's also the quality of the optics - which matters a lot. [03:38] alphageek, I've read that of many cameras, even though they're raising the MP, they aren't changing the sensors to compensate and produce great images. [03:39] i think i've read that dollar for dollar, canon has good optics on their non-pro point and shoot [03:40] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:40] have you folks played with "lensfun" at all? [03:42] can anyone help? [03:43] mancha, I've messed with it, just a bit before in digikam, but not enough to really say much about it. [03:43] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.195) joined ##slackware. [03:43] digikam 1.2.0 is quite neat. [03:44] haven't done enough on it yet but it looks a lot sleeker than than the 0.9.x series [03:44] the GTK windows in slackware 13.0 look ugly... is there a way to make them look normal, like it does in kubuntu etc.? [03:44] TehRabbitt: do you need the script to _start_ as the user 'splunk' or just run as that user [03:45] mancha, yeah, I love digikam, especially the more recent releases, they've done some great work on it. [03:45] i really like their 16 bit image viewing. [03:45] why can't gimp have 16 bit depth already? [03:46] yeah, that'd really be nice. [03:46] MoMo (~MoMo@ip70-181-252-58.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: [03:47] can someone please help me figure out how to get a script in /etc/init.d/ to boot on startup please? [03:47] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-091-096-111-128.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [03:47] nothign I try works [03:47] anyways, i think that gimp has been toying with the idea of 16 bits per channel for a while...not sure why it is taking so long though [03:48] must be quite harder than i think it is [03:48] mancha: I just don't know what i'm doing wrong (or right) when it comes to rc.local because apparently it wont load [03:48] su splunk -c "/etc/init.d/splunk start" [03:49] is the entry in rc.local [03:50] maybe it's planned for 2.8. i should start tracking gimp devel again. [03:51] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:51] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [03:51] ROKO__ (~ROKO__@2001:470:1f0b:655::10) joined ##slackware. [03:52] Hi I want to ask you, is there a way to install Slackware in chroot [03:53] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:53] i'm curious to try out f-spot though.... [03:53] but it seems to have mucho deps... [03:54] TehRabbitt: do you need the script to _start_ as the user 'splunk' or just run as that user [03:54] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [03:54] TehRabbitt: your irc name is hard to type [03:55] TehRabbitt: looks like you are incorrectly trying to tell splunk to use /etc/init.d/splunk as a configureation file? [03:55] latemus: run as that user [03:55] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:56] latemus: /etc/init.d/splunk just runs /splunk/bin/splunk -(whole bunch of flags) [03:56] when the "start" command is given to it [03:56] what are the permissions for /etc/init.d/splunk [03:56] hold on [03:57] -r-xr-xr-x [03:58] it's usually okay that an rc script (such as init.d/splunk) just starts a binary (/splunk/bin/splunk) [03:58] how did you install spunk? i.e. a slackbuild script, from source, how? [03:59] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [03:59] latemus: it was litterly a tgz'ed dir tree that you basically just "drop" into your system and run with the appropiate commands [03:59] also does /etc/init.d/rc.splunk exist, or just /etc/init.d/splunk [03:59] all the config is webbased after it's "started" [03:59] just /etc/init.d/splunk [03:59] which is a script I made myself (that works) lol [04:00] ha [04:00] ok [04:00] if I type /etc/init.d/splunk start .... it starts, and same for "stop" [04:00] (it stops) [04:01] right now it works in rc.update running as ROOT but i'd rather it not run as root once it's started [04:01] but the issue is _scripting_ it to run? [04:01] ok [04:01] the issue is getting it to run as a different user (splunk) than root [04:01] morning [04:01] I finally vanquished the broadcom drivers! \o/ [04:02] TehRabbitt: why did you add -c to su [04:03] good night... thanks for the hughs... lol [04:03] "c=command" or so i thought [04:03] ? [04:04] The command will be executed by the shell specified in /etc/passwd for the target user [04:04] yeah [04:04] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [04:04] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [04:04] so i'm not sure why it wouldn't work :-\ [04:04] over my head :/ sorry man [04:05] you might try to figure out how to chroot [04:05] after it's running [04:05] maybe i'll just let it run for root for now :-\ lol i just didn't like the idea of something starting / running as root that acts as a mini webserver [04:06] it'd be like running apache as root (I beleive it's run as user apache) [04:06] lol [04:07] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [04:10] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [04:12] one last question then i'm going to bed... I installed slackware without KDE... is there a way to install it now without installing it package by package off the CD? [04:13] and/or mirror [04:13] well i guess it'd have to be the mirror since i upgraded to -current [04:13] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.30.212) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [04:15] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.28.156) joined ##slackware. [04:17] ROKO__ (~ROKO__@2001:470:1f0b:655::10) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:23] TehRabbitt (rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [04:24] blackorca (~b@173-100-194-80.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [04:30] Nick0 (~Nick0@ip-99-199-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [04:31] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [04:31] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.195) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [04:32] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427439.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [04:33] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427439.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:34] Nick0 (~Nick0@ip-99-199-241-92.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:36] Nick0 (~Nick0@ip-99-199-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [04:36] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [04:37] Nick0 (Nick0@ip-99-199-241-92.dialup.ice.net) left ##slackware. [04:37] blackorca (~b@173-100-194-80.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:39] sh0ne (~sh0ne@cable-89-216-216-13.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [04:40] hat does it mean if /var/lib/php is empty on my system? could that be why fastcgi isnt working on my webserver [04:40] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-68.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:41] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-113-155.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [04:42] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [04:43] latemus: what are php and fastcgi related? [04:43] s/what/how/ [04:44] lighttpd uses fastcgi to access php-cgi i compiled [04:44] its accessing php-cgi locally [04:44] but fastcgi is perl based...sounds like user error somewhere [04:45] edthix (ed@175.144.229.97) left ##slackware. [04:46] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:46] no... fastcgi is a protocol allowing you to implement distributed/remote execution of _any_ scripting or programming language. http://fastcgi.com [04:47] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.178) joined ##slackware. [04:49] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [04:50] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:51] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [04:52] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-68.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:52] TehRabbitt (~rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:53] quick question... I installed the packages for KDE from -current... I run "startkde" and it says "DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to x server" [04:53] any ideas on how to fix it? [04:54] are you running -current? [04:54] gh: yes [04:55] upgraded everything from 13 to 13.1 (current) [04:56] I installed using the 13.0 install CD since the USB boot for -current is screwed up... upgraded to -current from 13.0... and now I wanna install KDE as right now all I have is fluxbox since I only had CD's 1 and 2 [04:56] TehRabbitt: that's pretty straightforward... [04:57] jewbacca: how do I do it then lol [04:58] honestly i'm new to slackware as i've used debian, gentoo, and ubuntu in the past but this is my first official slack install hence why i'm not sure how the package system works 100% yet lol [04:58] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427439.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:58] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-68.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:58] TehRabbitt: rm /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc && ln -s /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.kde /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc && startx [05:00] TehRabbitt: for future inits, startx [05:02] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-231.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:03] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [05:07] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:07] or run 'xwmconfig' :-) [05:10] slackytude (~slacky@f051113189.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [05:12] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-68.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:15] wertik_ (~wertik@95-26-51-123.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:15] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:17] Nick change: oobe -> __oobe [05:17] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: Quit: .. 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[07:04] You can use slackbuilds.org for packages not on the slackware mirrors [07:05] hello [07:05] http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Slackware-FAQ#Where_are_the_recommended_places_to_get_packages.3F [07:05] jgeboski, I need the firefox latest [07:05] Is there a way to install Gnome 2.30 on Slackware? [07:05] ? [07:06] thanks [07:06] ? [07:06] monstro: that's on the slackware mirros [07:06] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.178) joined ##slackware. [07:06] what what? [07:06] j0z (mp3@201.22.31.209.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:06] in the butt! [07:07] monstro: what version of slack are you running [07:07] 12.2 [07:07] Akuma0n3 (~Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [07:07] mario (~mario@orion.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [07:07] while i am trying to install centerim through sbopkg, i get the following error... any ideas? -> configure: error: Yahoo requires libcurl built with SSL support. [07:07] Is there a way to install Gnome 2.30 on Slackware? [07:09] monstro: it appears 3.0;.19 is the last update of firefox on 12.2 [07:09] jgeboski, okay, and Where I find ? [07:09] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-12.2/patches/packages/mozilla-firefox-3.0.19-i686-1.tgz [07:10] someone will answer today? [07:10] ? [07:10] Why do you want Gnome? [07:10] ROKO__: its been 2 minutes, hold your horses! [07:10] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-177.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [07:11] I asked, can be installed, expect an answer. no matter counter [07:11] If you're going to be cocky no one is going to answer [07:11] jgeboski, why the site slackware.com/packages is broken? :-( [07:11] KnutBluetooth (~knutbluet@ANancy-157-1-62-102.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de [07:12] Gnome does the job for me what I want gnome [07:12] roccity_ (~roccity_@ip-118-90-3-223.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [07:12] monstro: i believe it's still in development [07:12] ROKO__: http://gnomeslackbuild.org/ [07:12] I've never installed Gnome on slack [07:12] but you could give that a whirl [07:12] someone else might have some input [07:13] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:13] nobody here has never helped, I wonder why I came again to ask you [07:13] will it be compatible with Slackware current [07:13] jgeboski [07:13] Action: Delahunt is now installing Slackware 13.1-RC1 [07:13] ? [07:13] I mean 13.1 RC [07:13] Don't know for sure i've never done it. [07:13] I don't see why not [07:14] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [07:14] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [07:14] watch it during the installation to install gnome-icons 2.30 [07:14] Akuma0n3 (~Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:14] to wonder if this is not a problem to put 2.28 [07:15] ROKO__: there is a #gsb channel for the gnomeslackbuild project [07:15] i don't know if anyone has gnome compiled for 13.1-rc1 yet [07:17] roccity_ (roccity_@ip-118-90-3-223.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) left ##slackware. [07:20] roccity_ (~roccity_@ip-118-90-3-223.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [07:22] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-116.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [07:22] btw, anyone know why robots was rebuilt? [07:22] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:22] ROKO__: did you not see the link he gave you? [07:22] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:23] ROKO__: http://gnomeslackbuild.org/ [07:23] adrien: 32bit was 64bit, i dont know about the 64bit package. maybe to keep the same build no. -11 ? [07:24] ah, ok [07:24] makes sense to keep things in sync [07:24] but my local mirror still hasn't synced the latest changes :P [07:25] slackin yeh [07:25] .. [07:25] i know this link [07:25] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:25] and use it from slackware 13.0 [07:28] Akuma0n3 (~Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [07:28] roccity_ (~roccity_@ip-118-90-3-223.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:30] pupiteee (~p@109.92.230.49) joined ##slackware. [07:31] there was a microsoft ad on TV for IE8: saying litwareinc.com was a malicious website that would be blocked by IE8 [07:31] how can install libfetch from slackware ? [07:31] well, it redirects to microsoft.com actually so it's indeed dangerous :P [07:32] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [07:34] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:36] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-177.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:38] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-177.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [07:38] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [07:39] slackware-13.1 rc1 clean install c/w so far works great [07:39] Haksell (~Haksell@87-239-97-61-dsl.qfast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:40] Hello, anyone in here who can help me with a weird touchpad problem? [07:40] Haksell, what problems? [07:40] Well basicly it boils down to this [07:40] njathan: ah, you have a bcm4312, right? [07:41] I had it working, put my system to hibernate, woke it up and from that point on it stopped working [07:41] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:41] adrien, yeah [07:41] rebooting etc don't solve it. X11 detects it in it's log [07:42] which slackware release, which touchpad and what does dmesg say? [07:42] njathan: currently working? [07:42] Akuma0n3 (~Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:42] njathan: and which laptop model? [07:42] adrien, yeah its working now [07:42] adrien, Lenovo G550 [07:43] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:43] Axius (~fd@92.84.8.27) joined ##slackware. [07:43] ok, because I was having troubles with it but I finally sorted it out :-) [07:43] using broadcom-sta I guess? [07:43] adrien, Slackware 13.0 [07:43] adrien, yeah.. the sta.. [07:43] roccity_ (~roccity_@ip-118-90-3-223.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [07:43] adrien, but i haven't sorted out the touchpad problem [07:43] adrien, it doesn't tap [07:43] ROKO__ (~ROKO__@253-135.thezone.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:44] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.14.21) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:44] I was using the sta too but I thought it would work in current/13.1 because it's supposed to be supported in kernels >= 2.6.32, but of course it doesn't work =) [07:44] the sta is still usable with kernel 2.6.33 hopefully [07:44] Synaptics touchpad, dmseg: input: ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse as /devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input7 [07:45] No more notices of it in dmesg than this [07:45] yuck [07:45] njathan: tried using synclient? it'd probably work in 13.1 but no need to do that much [07:45] slackware 64-current btw [07:45] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.14.21) joined ##slackware. [07:45] Haksell: known kernel bug I guess (had the same), gotta leave a bit though, I'll give you a possible work-around in 30 minutes or so [07:45] adrien, i have tried other distros with 2.6.32/2.6.33 before trying slackware... never worked for me too [07:45] unless pprkut beats me to it [07:46] njathan: no, it probably won't work before some time [07:46] Allright, then I'll stay here idle-ing [07:46] but for the touchpad, synclient will do, you can use it to enable tapping, just run it with the good option (read the manpage) when X starts [07:46] hm [07:46] adrien, hmm... i am keeping an eye on kernel.org changelogs.. so that i am sure before upgrading the kernel [07:47] that synclient thing of yours just gave me a hint [07:47] No driver loaded [07:47] I *fucking* hate ubuntu results in google, gah! [07:47] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [07:47] adrien, LOL! [07:47] gotta live with it [07:47] if it has the solution, i could care less if it's a lindows page [07:48] adrien: you know, you can exclude key terms from a google search [07:48] Haksell: ah, try adding i8042.noloop=1 to the kernel command-line parameters (and maybe i8042.debug=1) but it's working without problem for me in more recent kernels [07:48] Delahunt: it doesn't of coure, that's the problem [07:49] ananke: I'd like an option... actually, I'd like google to find out that these pages are useless and never show them [07:49] bbl [07:49] adrien: right. i'm sure your vote would count [07:50] ananke: when the most relevant result is from bugzilla.kernel.org, I definitely don't want forums.ubuntu.com results [07:51] hackeron_ (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:52] gee. then exclude those from your search [07:52] hackeron (~hackeron@gentoo/user/hackeron) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:54] ROKO__ (~ROKO__@253-135.thezone.bg) joined ##slackware. [07:54] adrien, trying now [07:54] yeah like do this: -ubuntu [07:54] and probably -forum [07:54] Haksell (~Haksell@87-239-97-61-dsl.qfast.net) left irc: Quit: Haksell [07:54] gentoo wikipedia pages oddly enough usually contain very good info [07:56] GArik (~wesnoth@95-29-240-144.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:00] roccity_ (~roccity_@ip-118-90-3-223.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:02] Haksell (~Haksell@87-239-97-61-dsl.qfast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:02] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:03] adrien, no solution so far [08:05] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:06] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:06] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:14] Back in a few [08:14] Haksell (~Haksell@87-239-97-61-dsl.qfast.net) left irc: Quit: Haksell [08:15] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-181-89-79.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [08:16] SOUL_OF_R00T (~leo@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:19] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-161-201-1.range86-161.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [08:21] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) joined ##slackware. [08:22] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-177.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:23] ang|laptop (~ang@up-above-it.org) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [08:23] site:bugzilla.kernel.org too but I've never found anything useful on these boards [08:24] Haksell (~Haksell@87-239-97-61-dsl.qfast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:29] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-177.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [08:30] machine #2 slackware-13.1-rc1 c/w ops check good [08:37] anybody know hot to minimize thunderbird [08:37] ? [08:38] minimize? with the button on the window? [08:38] :D [08:38] try click it [08:38] adrien, to tray :p [08:39] lol [08:39] How to exit mc? [08:40] f10? [08:40] v4nelle: well, I'm not sure it's possible if the program has not been meant to [08:40] v4nelle: ok, thanks [08:40] maybe an additional program but not sure at all [08:40] http://www.freeemailtutorials.com/mozillaThunderbird/thunderbirdExtensions.cwd#minimizeToTray [08:41] Look for "alltray" tool [08:41] adrien, that touchpad problem still persists [08:41] It's possibil to view pdf file in mc? [08:41] alienBOB, i see this app on your reposiroty,but is is there from 2006...its still works with kde 4.4? [08:42] guys... what do you usually do when you get the message 'You don't have permission to access / on this server' after having configured a virtualhost on your apache? [08:42] v4nelle: you need of course to download a newer source and build a new package [08:42] i will try...thx [08:42] alienBOB, you can pass on the good news that 13.1-rc1 works without bugs so far :) [08:42] thanks to you and pat and rob [08:43] (and everyone else) [08:43] Finally, a release without bugs~ [08:43] Action: Delahunt stabs TheGroove [08:43] there, now TheGroove has a groove [08:43] :) [08:43] Releases without bugs don't exist in this world :) [08:44] monstro (1000@201-92-50-86.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:44] lol [08:44] your mom has bugs :P [08:44] Tis true. [08:44] Haksell: damn, I was in a hurry and you need to try: i8042.noloop=0 , not =1 [08:44] But so does everyone else on this planet. [08:44] https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13093#c4 [08:45] TheGroove, i know. i make very cheesy "your mom" jokes on purpose because i am making fun of how stupid "your mom" jokes are [08:45] Well... [08:45] ...your mom is cheesy! [08:45] Action: Delahunt shrugs [08:46] Haksell (~Haksell@87-239-97-61-dsl.qfast.net) left irc: Quit: Haksell [08:48] Haksell (~Haksell@87-239-97-61-dsl.qfast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:48] Haksell (~Haksell@87-239-97-61-dsl.qfast.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:50] Haksell (~Haksell@87-239-97-61-dsl.qfast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:51] adrien, Still not working [08:52] Haksell, current? [08:52] jup [08:52] Haksell: bah, I thought you had a 2.6.29.6 kernel! >< [08:52] No [08:52] Haksell, there is any fdi o n/etc/hal/fdi/policy? [08:53] 2.6.33.4 kernel [08:53] Haksell: does it _sometimes_ work? [08:53] No [08:53] after one hibernate [08:54] It failed and it just doesn't come up anymore [08:54] save a dmesg of a working run and of a failing one, compare them and/or pastebin them [08:54] v4nelle, nothing in there [08:54] Haksell, there is the problem [08:55] adrien, if I only could get it running again [08:55] make a x11-synaptics.fdi inside with http://pastebin.org/241635 [08:56] Haksell: (very) cold reboot? [08:57] 13.1-rc(1) update time (not like I was already running current :-) ) [08:57] adrien, the very cold reboot didn't work [08:57] trying v4nelle's tip now [08:58] and attaching a verry cold reboot to it [08:58] Haksell (~Haksell@87-239-97-61-dsl.qfast.net) left irc: Quit: Haksell [09:01] Haksell (~Haksell@87-239-97-61-dsl.qfast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:01] fdi didn't work too [09:01] then there is a problem :p [09:01] indeed [09:01] So...... [09:02] Any ideas on how I might get further with this? [09:03] did you check BIOS? maybe some software inadvertently changed something in BIOS? [09:03] (a stab in the dark) [09:04] It's a very basic bios in wich you can only set a boot order [09:04] So software may have done it, i've got no method of checking [09:11] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [09:14] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:16] alienBOB, jgeboski thanks for pointing ROKO__ in the right direction. [09:18] tavl (~tavl@189.70.170.165) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:18] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:19] sync zing [09:25] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.178) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:28] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. 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[09:53] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [09:56] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:56] doolittlework: if it's all of the files you need, you can make it into an iso yourself [09:57] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [09:57] doolittlework: but are you sure you have everything you need? [09:57] Candinho (~Candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) joined ##slackware. [09:58] yes its all of it, i created a iso using poweriso but it does not want to boot, how do i make it bootable? [09:59] doolittlework: http://www.it.freebsd.org/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-13.0/isolinux/README.TXT [09:59] ah, update done [09:59] ta thx raela [09:59] no problem [10:00] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [10:03] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.178) joined ##slackware. [10:04] i cannot remember what the command was, while we try to initialize mysql for the first time... anyone remember? [10:04] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:06] and i know its there in the readme... somewhere in /usr.... [10:07] head -50 /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld ? [10:07] I have a wireless network card that causes the system to halt and hang when I do ifconfig wlan0 up is there anyway to debug this. I just bought the card and wanted to see if it was linux or the card [10:11] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:11] thanks sahko ! [10:11] coolkehon: which card? which slackware version? can you ssh to the machine? do you know about sysrq? are you trying inside X or in the linux console? [10:12] BTW, where exactly are the README for various apps expected to be found? /usr/share? They are there on the system... no? [10:12] adrien, i'm inside a console and I booted a live cd (bactrack4) but it does it with any version of linux. I thought it might be a driver issue or something [10:12] bah, backtrack [10:13] its a TP-Link card (TL-WN353G/TL-WN353GD) [10:13] you'll have to try inside slackware [10:13] adrien, slackware, archlinux, ubuntu anything does it too [10:13] system hangs? how long did you wait? nothing printed on screen? [10:13] raela can u do this commands form dos [10:13] backtrack has more wireless drivers so i'm trying it ... and I'm also to lazy atm to setup external hard drive and burn live cd :P [10:13] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:14] adrien, it just hangs [10:14] padhu (~Padhu@175.40.19.142) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:14] doolittlework: ...dos? um.. you'd have to look up another way to do it then.. I think that guide is only for if you're on linux [10:14] does nothing not printk or errors or anything [10:14] I can't ctrl-c or switch consoles... nothing [10:14] and sysrq? [10:14] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:14] ? [10:14] sysrq [10:14] not sure [10:15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key [10:15] oh the magic key [10:15] was thinking programming :) [10:15] I'll try it [10:16] maybe l, t and w [10:16] also the blinking '_' stops working [10:16] do the lights on the keyboard blink? [10:16] josemanuel (~josemanue@42.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [10:17] also, could be soft lockup which is recoverable if the kernel has been compiled with the right option but the slack kernel doesn't come with that [10:17] (that actually saved me a few times yesterday) [10:17] padhu (~Padhu@175.40.19.142) joined ##slackware. [10:18] what are the keys for it? [10:18] wiki and inet are just slow today (need to check for cap) [10:19] guys.. why ain't there no 'kate' in slackware? i miss it so much... cant find 'kate' in slackbuilds, nor in slackware 13.0 PACKAGES.TXT [10:19] Alt + Print Scree + SOMEKEY, but you definitely want to see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#Magic_commands [10:19] njathan: it's not a separated package, it's included in kde [10:20] adrien, but 'kate' command's not working [10:20] i am guessing its not installed then.. [10:20] Candinho (~Candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) left irc: Quit: Fui embora [10:20] njathan: check MANIFEST.bz2 [10:21] i'm there [10:21] and congrats on "ain't". haven't seen that atrocity in ages [10:24] adrien, sysrq does nothing [10:24] i've actually never gotten system request to work :( [10:24] coolkehon: when in console, before it fails, if you SysRq+r, does it print anything on screen? [10:25] left other computer frozen one sec rebooting [10:26] i'm on my laptop and the sysrq is with a function key so I'd have to hold fn+insert+alt+ [10:26] -_- [10:27] thats kinda hard todo and it still didnt work [10:27] njathan: kate in the kdesdk module [10:28] cracker (~chatzilla@41.225.47.207) joined ##slackware. [10:28] sahko, oh.. i skipped kdesdk during installation... [10:28] i stuck can't figure out how make my slackwere files bootable to iso using windows, any windows guru, please help [10:29] coolkehon: well, it depends but maybe you can change something for that in your bios (depends) [10:29] guys, i need help setting compiz as default window manager [10:29] just spend 18 downloading something i can't use [10:29] doolittlework: you might need to ask that in a windows channel.. or a google search [10:29] hours [10:29] doolittlework: use mkisofs? [10:29] doolittlework: or use an already-built iso? the usb installer and an usb key? [10:29] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [10:30] adrien: he's on windows, downloaded the dir full of files instead of iso, made an iso and it won't boot to install [10:30] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Client Quit [10:30] use mkisofs [10:31] adrien, I got sysrq to do "something" after I reboted [10:31] coolkehon: printed a one-line message? [10:32] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:32] mhm [10:32] sahko, ananke adrien: thanks... :-) [10:32] tusk (~tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [10:32] tusk (~tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [10:35] cracker (~chatzilla@41.225.47.207) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:35] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427439.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [10:36] Falsificado (~Alexandre@187.59.148.64) joined ##slackware. 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[10:42] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:42] coolkehon: if sysrq worked and stops working, you'll most probably hitting a pure kernel bug so, it's kernel debugging [10:42] slackware01 (Nikon@fl-67-232-251-204.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. [10:43] (I'd recompile the kernel with the soft lockups option first) [10:43] do u know a "replacer" (that run in linux) for MPLAB-SIM ? [10:44] pupiteee (~p@109.92.230.49) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:44] TehRabbitt (~rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:47] adrien, like I said it does that with any kernel. I'll just use this other wireless card I have. bought the other (broken) card off ebay for $10 :P just wanted to try it... [10:47] Action: coolkehon returns card [10:48] Falsificado (Alexandre@187.59.148.64) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [10:48] ...and another instance of "shit no why should I tell you stuff that's totally relevant, such as that the hardware I am testing is second hand and probably BROKEN on arrival?" [10:48] could be bad hardware too, the kernel module is good but not resilient enough in case of hardware failure [10:49] :P [10:49] wasnt sure. if I had told you you might have said it was broekn to start off with [10:49] adrien: do you use lxde? [10:50] coolkehon: and that would have been the correct deduction, too [10:50] sahko: it's on a friend's laptop which I admin and I run openbox here [10:51] yeah but I need to know how to find out [10:51] and I have to patch their battery monitor applet (well, contribute, not stupid patch) [10:51] adrien: is openbox the window manager for lxde or theres one of its own as well? [10:51] coolkehon: if it doesn't work with the drivers that should work with it, that's how you know [10:52] sahko: no, it's openbox [10:52] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:52] nasty xml files, ill pass [10:52] (very good WM btw, very reliable and conformant, and still nicely featured :-) ) [10:52] i'm using openbox too [10:52] sahko: nah, they're definitely ok [10:53] I needed a way to monitor battery and switch windows easily [10:53] sahko: I don't really like XML either but openbox' config files are nicely done and very well commented [10:53] atl+tab [10:53] and gnome-panel [10:53] nm-applet works with tint2 [10:53] what are we talking about? [10:53] john_dee (~id@95-29-189-19.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:53] coolkehon: conky is perfect for battery monitoring [10:53] adrien: openbox was where i first saw xml. hate it ever since :p [10:54] raela, havent setup the configs yet. its on my todo list :P [10:54] one of the main problem of xml is that you have 3 or 4 ways to set one info but openbox's config is good enough [10:54] I'm going to use mutt for email but I have mutliple email accounts and they're all imap and I want sorting. any ideas on how to set this up? [10:54] sahko: hmmm, well, openbox is really good and that shouldn't put you off [10:55] I would also like to be able to have a sent mail que so that I can send mail offline and send it later when I sync [10:55] coolkehon: if mutt doesn't support those features, then you probably need to find a client that does. I know TB3 supports both of those [10:56] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [10:56] adaptr, I wanted a command line client [10:56] I want to also pull all of my email off the inet and into a folder on my computer [10:56] then use fetchmail to retrieve all your mail into a local mailbox, and access that with mutt [10:57] adaptr, but I have mutliptle email accounts [10:57] and ? [10:57] i don't want them combined [10:57] ... [10:57] I was going to use getmail by the way [10:57] with procmail [10:58] that way when I subscribe to a mailing list I can have email sorted for that list [10:58] j0z (mp3@201.22.31.209.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:00] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [11:00] doolittlework (~d@196.211.34.2) left irc: [11:01] jhw_ (~jhw@p4FC8DD96.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:03] i like fdm for doing that job [11:03] adaptr, any ideas on how I can achieve this setup? [11:04] fdm? [11:04] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8DD96.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:05] fdm.sf.net [11:05] coolkehon: to collect mail from multiple accounts and keep their messages seaparte, you need a client that supports this. it is unpossible to do this server-side since you WANT to keep multiple external acocunts [11:05] if mutt does not support this, then no, you can't [11:06] mutt supports several inboxes [11:06] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:06] there you are then [11:06] you only need to configure getmail with the different accounts [11:06] and indicating different destination mailboxes for each account, which is piece of cake [11:06] I can get getmail to take the accounts no problem [11:06] yep but how would I get mutt to do the mailboxes? [11:07] getmail can have different confs [11:07] roger__ (~sixx@212.183.140.51) joined ##slackware. [11:07] getmail --rcfile acc1 && getmail --rcfile acc2 :D [11:07] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:07] see the mailboxes mutt command [11:07] there you can specify several ones [11:07] alpine isbgreat too [11:08] most information can be found in "man muttrc" [11:08] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:08] .. lag [11:08] ok thanks adrien and rg3 [11:08] mutt has an *extensive* manual.txt in /usr/doc [11:09] sahko: indeed [11:10] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [11:10] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Client Quit [11:11] roger__ (~sixx@212.183.140.51) left irc: Client Quit [11:12] roger__ (~sixx@212.183.140.51) joined ##slackware. [11:14] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:18] GArik (~wesnoth@95-29-240-144.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:20] j,, [11:20] :P [11:20] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [11:20] lol I changed one setting in my router and now everything works fine [11:22] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:23] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:23] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:24] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:24] rheault (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:25] sloinn (~lisak@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) joined ##slackware. [11:25] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427439.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:26] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:26] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [11:26] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [11:26] if I mount a partition to mount point containing data, how to remove it then ? [11:27] remove the data? [11:27] remove what ? the data ? the mount ? [11:27] for instance, mounting a partition to /tmp ....how do I get rid of the original /tmp stuff [11:27] umount [the /dev/whatever] [11:27] the data [11:27] the original tmp stuff? [11:27] hmmm [11:27] sloinn: not while it's mounted to somewhere else, that's for sure [11:27] mount somewhere else [11:27] yeah, umount it first, then remove the stuff [11:27] it'll be hidden by the mount and you won't be able to access what was there before [11:27] then mount it again [11:27] unless you umount the second one [11:27] adrien has it [11:27] you won't see what was there [11:28] sloinn, why don't you mount to /mnt/tmp? [11:28] but If I'm mounting a empty partition to /var ...I can't delete the data before, but backup them -> fstab -> restart and copy it over to the new partition [11:29] sloinn, why so complicated? [11:29] how else [11:29] :-) [11:29] ovnicraft (1000@186.68.250.207) joined ##slackware. [11:29] why not mount to someplace where nothing exists [11:29] ?? [11:29] sorry about the hiccup [11:30] caixabox_ (~c9354157@gateway/web/freenode/x-wayosqulsctjkash) joined ##slackware. [11:30] I don't get the point [11:30] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8DD96.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:30] I need to have /var in a separate partition [11:30] why would I mount it someplace else [11:30] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [11:31] sloinn: you mount the partition somehwere else, then *move* the data [11:31] sloinn: then you mount it in the appropriate place, that's the fastest way [11:31] yes [11:31] but how do I remove the original data ? [11:32] :-) [11:32] which were in /var and probably moved somewhere [11:33] let say that it's 5 gigs and I want to be sure it's not duplicated on my drive [11:34] I can't do #rm -R /var/* after I move data to the partition mounted some place else [11:34] and restart it [11:35] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [11:35] i don't get what the problem is [11:35] sloinn, not sure what you want to do [11:35] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8DD96.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:35] qneo (~qneo@adsl-dyn74.91-127-163.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [11:35] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:35] typically, var stuff should just be in /var [11:35] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:36] use /mnt/xxx for mounting stuff [11:36] look, I have /var/stuff stuff=5GB .... I mount a partition somewhere, #mv /var /mountpoint then modify fstab and restart [11:36] you can even make directories to mount to (i.e., /mnt/usb-flash) [11:36] I don;t have /var in a separate partition but I want to...that's the point [11:36] hmmm... [11:36] sloinn: we already covered that [11:37] sloinn: you mount the new partition somwhere else, say /mnt/foo [11:37] sloinn: then you run mv /var/* /mnt/foo [11:37] yes, but after restart, the partition with var data is mounted to /var mount point, but there is still the original data [11:37] or no ? [11:37] taking into account there may be hidden stuff in there [11:37] sloinn, /var/ is probably not a good path to put on a different partition since that's where other things (like default logs) are kept [11:37] yup [11:38] just leave /var alone [11:38] but you say you don't have a /var dir [11:38] that's what i don't get [11:38] if you want to put something on another partition, /opt would be a good choice as well as /home [11:38] I think that's because he run mv /var /somewhere/else [11:38] I have a var dir, why wouldn't I [11:38] instead of /var/* [11:38] qneo (qneo@adsl-dyn74.91-127-163.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [11:38] not sure [11:38] wtf? i don't really get it [11:38] sloinn, then leave the /var alone, mount elsewhere [11:39] the point is that I want to have /var directory in it's own partition, now it is in root partition [11:39] okay... why? [11:39] qneo (~qneo@adsl-dyn74.91-127-163.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [11:39] because it's a huge server [11:39] i am a bit confused [11:39] /var is many times kept in a separate partition [11:39] and I don't want root partition to get out of space [11:39] let's move over that point [11:39] okay, so mouunt in /mnt... and mv the data [11:40] or cp the data [11:40] or do whatever you want with the data [11:40] but if you mount in /var... there is no /var (at least not the stuff that was there) [11:40] i can't believe i don't get my point :) [11:40] *you [11:40] it's sunday [11:40] saturday night was long [11:40] sloinn: there's something you don't get, because we see no problem [11:40] yes :-) [11:41] mount the partition in /mnt/, move the data, umount it from /mnt and mount it on /var [11:41] if you mv /var -> your new directory on a different partition, and then mount /dev/sdx /var, there is no old /var [11:41] that's everyting that's needed, *we* don't know why you don't get it [11:41] there is no "old" to worry about, so you're ok [11:43] the only thing you need to worry about is having /etc/fstab set up properly so that your new partition is mounted as /var automatically, or else you will get errors when things try to write in /var which doesn't exist [11:43] ovnicraft (1000@186.68.250.207) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:44] and that should be easy for you to set up; just do it before rebooting (if you're planning on rebooting) [11:44] ne7work (ne7work@78.83.153.108) joined ##slackware. [11:44] how to stop graphic enviorment when i start it with startx in terminal? [11:45] if i'm not getting this, then i really am being thick -- what rg3 and raha have said makes perfect sense [11:45] ok, I didn't know it really could be just "moved" and deleted because there is mysql and apache stuff [11:46] but now I see it actually can [11:46] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-123-213.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:46] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [11:46] a lot of open files [11:46] ne7work: if what you start has no way to exit (most window managers and desktop environments have an exit option, obviously), then try to press ctrl+c at the terminal from which you ran "startx" [11:47] which doesn't matter, does it ? [11:47] sloinn: if you have a lot of things running and using /var, it's better to do it from single user mode or a live cd [11:48] or the slackware installation cd/dvd, for that matter [11:48] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.230.25) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:48] chroot is ok ? [11:49] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.230.25) joined ##slackware. [11:49] chroot doesn't have anything to do with this [11:49] great thank you guys :-) sorry I was unable to explain myself [11:49] I have to chroot [11:49] extra_elvis (~extra_elv@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[12:04] Nick change: fartywarty -> oobe [12:07] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:08] dios_mio (bs@88.241.140.212) joined ##slackware. [12:08] hello slack bros [12:08] rworkman, ping [12:08] Action: dios_mio slaps straterra around a bit with a large trout [12:08] hey, is slackware an easy install? [12:09] yes keenken [12:09] just clicks or ? [12:09] yeah mostly... i find it easier than debian [12:09] i feel i'm a slacker ahaha... [12:09] keenken quite easy. not clicks but presses, it is kb driven not mouse driven [12:09] keenken, before you do "setup", you better do "cfdisk" [12:09] alright, I will do it in a vm after I download... [12:10] cfdisk can be confusing for a newbie [12:10] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) joined ##slackware. [12:10] aww darn, i don't even know what that is... [12:10] let me download an iso. then will you help me a bit more, dios_mio? [12:10] cfdisk is for setting partitions.... you need a swap partition, and a main partition to instal linux.. and you must mark them as such [12:11] sure keenken [12:11] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:11] alright thanks [12:11] what i enjoy most about linux is the installing part :P [12:11] hopefully I will feel the same :) [12:12] actually i just like installing any OS [12:12] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) left irc: Client Quit [12:12] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) joined ##slackware. [12:13] hmm. I just went to ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware64-13.0-iso/ [12:14] keenken, are you downloading the DVD? [12:14] to dl the 2nd one slackware64-13.0-install-dvd.iso [12:14] dios_mio, is that correct, and I will be setting up in a virtual machine [12:14] well yeah [12:14] you either get the DVD [12:15] or get the first two CD's.. or the third too if you want a more advanced desktop [12:15] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:15] oic... advanced as in aesthetic ? [12:15] yeah [12:16] its called the KDE desktop environment... it is too big to fit in the first two CD's [12:16] if you dont get that, then you still have windows, but a more primitive desktop environment [12:16] rworkman, i converted slackware init to ip [12:17] if you get just the first CD, then you dont even get windows.. just a DOS like terminal screen [12:17] oh really. so what I dled will give me windows? [12:17] ahaha [12:17] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:17] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:18] dios_mio, the dl will take about an hour at 700KBs [12:18] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:19] if you just started downloading then ditch the DVD [12:19] it is 4 gb.... and if you just get the first two CD's it will be 1.5 gb [12:19] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:20] padhu (~Padhu@175.40.19.142) left irc: Quit: Going to sleep! [12:20] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [12:20] dios_mio, alright. where can I obtain them? [12:21] well let me look. one moment [12:21] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:21] dios_mio, i don't see CDs that at all [12:22] what page you looking at? [12:23] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/slackware-13.0-install-d1.iso [12:23] thats one [12:23] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/slackware-13.0-install-d2.iso [12:24] dios_mio, i'm sorry; I have to run an errand for my mother. Groceries... maybe the dvd will benefit me. I'll be back soon [12:24] okay then [12:25] can you post the third? [12:25] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:25] oh hey you want the 64 version, i am posting you 32 bit [12:25] yes 64 please [12:25] I'm on 8gigs of ram [12:26] ok then you must go with the dvd... they dont have cd versions for the 64 bit [12:26] i am posting from this page: http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/ [12:26] alright... i've dled a;; pf [12:26] all of 'em [12:26] ok [12:27] ty. i wil bm it. brb [12:27] ok [12:27] extra_elvis (~extra_elv@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:27] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) joined ##slackware. [12:28] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-123-213.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:28] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [12:28] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [12:29] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) joined ##slackware. [12:29] Hey, might want to upgrade pidgin in -current to 2.7.0. it fixes some systray icon issues. [12:34] |Slacker| (~cris@189.116.175.131) joined ##slackware. [12:35] caixabox_ (~c9354157@gateway/web/freenode/x-wayosqulsctjkash) left irc: Quit: Page closed [12:38] theseb (~theseb@ppp-70-128-95-225.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:40] ariarat (root@94.182.3.12) left ##slackware. [12:40] Kustnamenkloate (titan@unaffiliated/appetite) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:40] help! bash docs say " &> foo " should redirect stderr AND stdio to file foo. It doesn't seem to work for me?!? (I have bash version 4.1.5.) [12:41] theseb: command 2&>1 > file [12:41] but [12:41] theseb: It's probably smarter to do: command -switches 1> file.log 2> file.errlog [12:42] catch stdio and stderr seperately. Then you can tail -f either one or both to watch the output. [12:43] but &> *should* work [12:43] and no, not always smarter, it depends: having both redirected to the same file gives you context [12:43] (but note there is no guarantee of ordering between the two channels) [12:44] and, tee! [12:46] guys if i am on init 1 can i run wicd? [12:46] is network even up in 1? [12:47] v4nelle: If you're in RL1 you don't have networking scripts running [12:47] you can start networking though [12:47] adrien: ahs! aha! it just doesn't work if i invoke a bash command from python...only 1> foo 2> foo works!?!? [12:47] adrien: i mean aha! [12:47] i know,but after start the network script how can i configure wicd to connected with me AP [12:48] my* [12:48] dios_mio, may I open a pm box with you? [12:48] cut a hole in the pm box [12:48] try wicd-curses [12:48] theseb: from python?? so you're not in bash... [12:48] "( [12:49] :'( [12:49] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [12:49] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:49] can you use vpn with wicd? [12:49] v4nelle: at this point, I'd do it manually rather than with wicd [12:50] MarkT- (1000@S010600248c3ee38b.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:50] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:50] ok....thx all [12:50] hello [12:50] hi MarkT- [12:51] adrien: i'm invoking bash from python...wait...lemmie check if it is using tcsh [12:51] huh [12:52] that sounds like a nice way to have something fail [12:52] at some point or another [12:53] adrien: that was it..i set all accounts to tcsh..yes ...thanks...sorry [12:54] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [12:54] straterra: PiterPunk has done that some time ago, as well [12:54] but, well, why are you invoking a (partly) bourne-compatible shell from python? or only commands? [12:54] I used to have this computer multihomed, with an DHCP IP from my ISP and a static ip on my lan's subnet for talking to other machines on my lan, but I recently did a major system upgrade and the network configuration stuff on the computer was overwritten... now I can't seem to figure out how to get it to have the two IP's again. [12:55] adrien: sometimes you want to start servers and other stuff from a web server written in python...i don't know a smarter way to do it [12:56] I've already spent a lot of hours looking through man pages and googling to try to figure this out, but I have not had any luck getting it to work right. [12:56] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:56] yeah, you start commands or start a script shell which needs to start a shell, but I wanted to be sure it was more a side-effect than what you were trying to achieve (dunno if this is clear :-) ) [12:58] MarkT-: read http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network it will give you some ideas [13:00] Lapmann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:00] Lapmann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:02] is there a way to upgrade packages with sbopkg, maybe give a list of outdated packages? [13:03] run sbopkg, there is a toplevel menu entry to search for potential updates [13:05] re [13:05] mac-: what? [13:05] hmmmm.... I hadn't heard of wicd before. [13:06] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.224.65.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [13:07] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:07] thumbs: hello :) [13:07] mac-: ok, try "Hello" next time. [13:08] hm ? [13:08] mac-: instead of typing "re", type "Hello" [13:08] oh, sure, excuse me ... [13:08] hah [13:08] oh nice adrien, finally came in useful [13:09] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [13:09] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:09] Linux v4 2.6.33.4 #3 SMP Wed May 12 23:13:09 CDT 2010 x86_64 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3460 @ 2.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux :/ [13:09] 6 of those doing nothing [13:09] thumbs: do you know anythong about HAL in Linux ? [13:10] mac-: not a lot, sorry. [13:10] hm :/ [13:10] so bad [13:10] alienBOB: thank you, but the only thing that page mentions that I didn't know about from what I've read so far was the idea of using alternative network managers [13:11] Well if you can't figure out a multi-homed configuration from that page MarkT- ... then what info are you missing? [13:11] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet. [13:11] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.178) joined ##slackware. [13:11] I`m trying to run Power Management in case of special button actions on laptop, IBM T21 [13:12] previously I`ve used acpid [13:12] but on thinkwiki they wrote that modern distributions are working on HAL [13:12] after that I saw opinion that HAL is dead now [13:13] and I`m a little lost in that chaos of information [13:13] New kernel record :) 4m28.743s [13:13] alienBOB: well, what I thought I'd have to do to add the 2nd IP to my nic doesn't seem to work... I can't ping other machines on the lan. the command I'm using to add the ip was 'ifconfig eth0:0 192.168.1.66 up' and then I tried to add my router's ip as a gateway via route add default gw 192.168.1.1' [13:13] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:13] Zordrak: sounds like a small kernel, or a mighty fast computer [13:13] so I figure I'm doing something wrong. [13:13] alienBOB, i may have to multihome on linux soon, i'm worried freebsd could be causing voip static whcih i doubt but i want to just clean it up [13:15] also, after typing in that route command, typing 'route' by itself causes the program to hang doing a dns lookup. route -n shows the routes [13:16] MarkT-: show the nameserver configuration you are using. [13:16] you mean from my resolv.conf? [13:16] MarkT-: for starters, yes. [13:16] MarkT-: why use an IP alias? Are you "multi-homed" on a single network card? [13:17] extra_elvis (~extra_elv@166.189.8.47) joined ##slackware. [13:17] alienBOB: Yes... as I said, I've had it working once before... the only thing that has changed is the OS on this computer. [13:18] For one, I think you will need to have routed running [13:18] the nameservers in my resolv.conf were inserted when I got my DHCP address from my ISP. [13:18] they belong to my ISP [13:20] thumbs: both [13:20] Zordrak: fair enough. [13:20] alienBOB: oooh, I hadn't thought of that... [13:20] thumbs: it's a xeon E5520, so it's fast but not overly-so [13:20] thumbs: but the kernel is tin [13:20] *y [13:20] no ALSA, no unneeded drivers, module or otherwise [13:20] well, nearly none [13:20] Zordrak: yeah, I was given a dual xeon @3.6 at work [13:21] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) joined ##slackware. [13:21] this is one of our core file servers [13:21] all it needs to do is boot, mount XFS, run DRBD and serve NFS and CIFS [13:22] jtpd (~jtpd@75-148-101-162-Utah.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [13:23] thumbs: http://pastebin.org/241831 [13:23] Haksell (~Haksell@87-239-97-61-dsl.qfast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:24] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.178) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:24] MarkT-: right - but does your routes allow you to reach that IP? [13:24] alienBOB: hmmm... the man page for routed says that it's not suited for non-32 bit architectures. [13:25] thumbs: currently, yes. [13:25] but when I add the 192.168.1.1 gateway, it seems to longer work. [13:26] and I still can't ping 192.168.1.1 anyways. [13:26] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:28] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) joined ##slackware. [13:28] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:29] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:30] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [13:33] Action: MarkT- sighs. [13:33] nuts [13:33] dangerseeker (~dangersee@p57A8DF75.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:35] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:35] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:36] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:37] I still encounter seg faukts when starting a generic kernel in slackware current /.. [13:37] Longhorn (~Longhorn@pool-173-72-93-90.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:38] kernels can't segfault [13:38] if there's a catastrophic error in the kernel, you'll get a panic notice and everything will halt. [13:39] hmm I tried the script /usr/share/mkinitrd/THESCRIPT : mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.33.3-smp -f ext2 -r /dev/sda3 -m usbhid:ehci-hcd:mbcache:ext2 -o /boot/initrd.gz [13:39] ok some of the processes cause it ... [13:40] hmmm [13:41] gaah! i can't find slackware 13.0 iso's -_- [13:41] i'm just gonna guess because 13.1 is comming soon. [13:41] no... [13:42] anyway, 13.0 isos should be available everywhere [13:42] os mirror: http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware64-13.0-iso/ [13:42] wow. i'm stupid. [13:42] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [13:42] thanks haha. first one i've found with actual ISO's [13:43] err you've found. [13:43] CygnusX1 (~CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:44] CygnusX1 (~CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:45] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) joined ##slackware. [13:45] Longhorn: keep in mind that mirror above did not have the ISO. Probably because of bandwidth. [13:45] Longhorn: try http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/ [13:45] jgeboski, i just realized that lol. i ended up finding another one with actual ISO's. but thanks anyway. [13:45] jtpd (jtpd@75-148-101-162-Utah.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left ##slackware. [13:45] i'm using slackware.mirrors.tds.net [13:45] works fine. [13:45] Longhorn, are you able to use torrents? [13:45] or download from torrent ? [13:45] jeev, i could. but i'm fine now. [13:46] i don't really care how slow it is, which it's actually going fast. [13:46] this will probably be my second times trying out slackware. i'm gonna stick it on my desktop first. [13:46] its best to just stick to torrent, people are donating their bandwidth and you should take advantage, probably not piss off mirrors [13:47] haha. [13:47] If http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/ did not want people to download those ISOs then they would have taken them offline [13:47] true [13:47] ^^true [13:48] two true's make it true [13:48] i'm using Arch Linux right now. i'm considering moving over to slackware, that would be why i'm downloading it. anything i should look out for? [13:48] 50% of the official mirrors don't carry .iso files. [13:48] Longhorn, awesomeness [13:48] lol [13:50] alienBOB: Is there anything major to keep an eye out for going from multilib 13.0 to multilib -current? I've hit an error missing a 32 bit version of libpixman-1.so.0 . Wondering what else I might miss. Guess I ought to re-run multilib as a starting point.. [13:51] Indeed, generate new compat32 packages and "upgradepkg --install-new" then [13:52] (this is WRT those file servers that were waiting on 13.1 for a kernel.. Ive decided now is the time as we are at RC stage and Im about to start up a LOT of NFS activity and I need to get this bug out the way) [13:52] alienBOB: will do [13:52] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.224.65.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:54] alienBOB: yeah big whoops on my end.. forgot about glibc etc.. need to remove the old and overwrite the new [13:55] alienBOB: worryingly though, the 13.1 glibc didnt upgrade the compat32 vers.. just installed next to them [13:56] ignore me im musing.. [13:57] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-123-213.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:59] Longhorn (~Longhorn@pool-173-72-93-90.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:59] Zordrak: ??? [13:59] There is no "compat32" version of glibc [14:01] alienBOB: /var/log/packages/glibc-compat32-2.9-x86_64-1_slamd64 [14:02] i think im going to do the sanest thing I can and removepkg *compat32* and then start again with your 13.1 multilib [14:03] its been too long since i looked at this and my memory is getting in the way [14:04] mythx (~Nikon@fl-67-232-251-204.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [14:04] hai [14:05] would anything very bad happen if i were to move/delete/rename my xorg.conf file? [14:05] or would HAL take care of everything [14:05] Zordrak: *never* mix up my multilib stuff with that of Slamd64 [14:06] mythx: you can safely delete xorg.conf in most cases [14:06] alienBOB: hm.. I was sure these *were* yours and was confused as to the slamd64 label [14:06] alienBOB: maybe i did this just before you released the slack ones [14:06] You would only need that file if you want to _disable_ HAL or want to use a prorpietary video driver [14:07] zarock (~zarock@gwarestrin.adm.toile-libre.net) joined ##slackware. [14:07] Zordrak: could be. Fred released those compat32 packages early but I had promised Pat I would not release mine until after Slackware64 13.0 went gold [14:07] alienBOB: makes a lot more sense now... slamd had glibc labelled compat32, your are "multilib" [14:07] really what to check to make the generic kernel working ? [14:07] MarkT- (1000@S010600248c3ee38b.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:07] hasansahin (~556c0076@gateway/web/freenode/x-wxdjwwjersliedur) joined ##slackware. [14:07] uhhh first my I run the initrd script from console by myself [14:08] alienBOB: right. [14:08] paul424: the generic kernel needs an initrd, nothing more [14:09] alienBOB: at least it's easy to recitfy.. can just pull all the slamd64s and start again [14:09] alienbob, im adding vlan/bridge/multiple ip per interface too [14:10] alienBOB: can I test it somehow from under huge kernel ? [14:10] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [14:10] paul424: no [14:10] any idea about a mini pc similar to asus eeepc? i want something small, to use it as a proxy server [14:11] straterra: well, publish it somewhere, so that people can pick it up and experiment [14:11] google? [14:11] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [14:11] alienbob, the initial scripts are available [14:11] wait I will try to boot up , write the error , and come back here ... :P [14:11] hi, lowely from Turkey [14:11] somewhere [14:12] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:12] paul424: run "/usr/share/mkinitrd/mkinitrd_command_generator.sh" to _see_ a command you can use for creating that initrd [14:12] mythx (Nikon@fl-67-232-251-204.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:12] I DID [14:12] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:12] So, what's the panic then ;-) [14:12] I run, and reloaded lilo ... [14:13] ok I willl look for the exact error desciption ... [14:13] You also edited /etc/lilo.conf ? [14:13] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [14:13] pff [14:14] theseb (~theseb@ppp-70-128-95-225.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:15] straterra: I would put it on LQ, if you haven't done so already [14:15] theseb (~theseb@ppp-70-128-95-225.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [14:16] who has the balls to switch to windows? [14:16] Azeotrope: why would one require balls for that? [14:17] A lot of women run Windows too [14:17] MarkT- (~markt@S0106001ee57a8ed9.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:17] ecstatica (~sparrows@219-89-182-181.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) left irc: [14:17] a lot of men-with-one ball dual boot too [14:17] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Quit: /etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start [14:17] zarock (~zarock@gwarestrin.adm.toile-libre.net) left irc: Quit: scrouix [14:18] Azeotrope: what's the point of your question? [14:18] theseb (~theseb@ppp-70-128-95-225.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:18] Okay... this is looking like something isn't compiled into the kernel correctly... [14:19] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [14:19] MarkT- (markt@S0106001ee57a8ed9.vs.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [14:20] how do you make isos out of slackware installs [14:20] zarock (~zarock@gwarestrin.adm.toile-libre.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] Kustnamenkloate (titan@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [14:21] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@support.team.at.shellium.org' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:21] Kustnamenkloate kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: You seem to know exactly how far to push things before leaving the channel, which tells me that you deserve a ban anyway. Five days. Stop being such a drama queen. [14:21] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [14:23] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:24] Action: Zordrak is upgrading critical infrastructure at work and migrating business-critical data between systems. [14:24] Action: Zordrak is also holding a beer... [14:24] not sure this works :) [14:25] Kustnamenkloate (titan@unaffiliated/appetite) joined ##slackware. [14:25] hrad (~lisak@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) joined ##slackware. [14:26] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:26] how do I increase size of console screen buffer ? [14:26] Zordrak: bad bad bad. [14:26] Zordrak: good good good. [14:27] :-) [14:27] hrad: its in the kernel [14:27] hrad: afaik, kernel recompile, but better would be to use less or some pager [14:27] omg, really ? [14:27] :-) [14:27] the default doesn't even cover the initial boot log [14:28] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:28] always bothered me, that [14:28] I just pass loglevel=3 to the kernel [14:28] not even quarter of it [14:28] tells the kernel not to output non-error/warning messages [14:28] hrad: i dont think thats a buffer length issue.. i think the buffer only starts 3/4 way down [14:28] not sure [14:29] if you get less than a quarter of the boot messages, it's probably not that [14:29] some errors from booting are not in any log [14:29] don't why [14:29] do you get native resolution in the console? [14:29] dmesg? [14:29] yes [14:30] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:30] can you quote one of these? [14:30] and, did you do a partial install? [14:30] dmesg [14:31] messages or syslog [14:31] hmm just logged sucesfully , maybe its something with my RAM <_< .... Anyway there seems to be strange performance shifts between generic and huge ... like on generic there is 500 fps while on huge it is 1200 fps in glxgears ,.. it might be some misterious way that the kernel affects benchmarking ( I mean allowance of window redrawing hmmm .... ) [14:31] or failog [14:31] Zordrak: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Optimizing_Performance&action=history , see the message for the last change ;-) [14:32] I have this issue http://pastebin.com/U353wLc4 don't know how to deal with it [14:32] paul424: or the driver being loaded is different [14:32] adrien: hehe [14:32] hrad: I mean, one of the messages [14:33] explains why I wasn't seeing a difference for that iirc [14:33] trhodes: you still have my pastebin for xfs mount options? [14:33] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:35] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [14:35] alienBOB: all sorted simply and perfectly. Definitely too long since I last said it so... 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[15:19] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:19] 1 would be better [15:19] ok [15:20] Action: guax updates on 4 [15:20] =P [15:20] 3 + 1 = moar better [15:20] i like to live dangerously [15:20] euahuaehaeuh [15:20] hehe [15:21] guax: you mean unsafe? :) [15:23] TehRabbitt (~rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:24] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:24] rheault (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:25] anyone here know how to fix an error with KDE that says something about DISPLAY 0 is not configured etc? [15:26] dangerseeker (~dangersee@p57A8DAD2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:26] glick (~dbunch@97-90-156-187.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:28] pupit, not that unsafe [15:28] Shuren (~Devilman@host33-171-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:28] I have small problem with users and groups [15:29] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [15:29] groups is showing properly user groups, but /etc/groups not [15:29] why ? [15:30] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:31] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:31] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Changing host [15:31] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [15:31] Jimmen (~Devilman@host253-235-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:32] adrien: [15:33] adrien: http://pastebin.com/NzUz7Wi5 (missed the first try) [15:33] peacenik (~didier@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [15:35] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:35] peacenik (didier@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware. [15:35] oh adrien [15:36] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) joined ##slackware. [15:36] slackin (~slackin@68.204.232.100) joined ##slackware. [15:36] slackin (~slackin@68.204.232.100) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:38] pdftk is taking forever to build, wack [15:39] s0d0 (~bggr@host81-141-48-116.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:40] anyone here know how to get KDE to start? [15:40] $DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to the X Server [15:41] pdftk takes long time to build [15:42] TehRabbitt: did u log in as root? [15:42] yes [15:42] doesnt' work as other users either though [15:43] try log in as normal user and do startx [15:43] "Innapropriate ioctl for device (25) is the error it gives [15:43] Error setting MTRR [15:43] Anyone have a number-to-ioctl translator? [15:44] FRSoldier (frsoldier@93.94.25.110) joined ##slackware. [15:45] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-113-155.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. 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[15:45] laptop [15:45] EVO N620N [15:45] Compaq [15:45] ok [15:45] I beleive it's ATI but i'm not 100% sure [15:46] lspci should give you a description [15:46] yep ATI [15:46] ATI Radeon Mobility M7 LW 7500 [15:47] Action: NaCl suggests fglrx [15:47] but that could be supported by the radeon{,hd} driver [15:47] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [15:47] escaflown, how long [15:47] NaCl: where do I select the driver again :( i havne't installed KDE in ages [15:47] TehRabbitt: I would try installing the ATI driver first, see if the fglrx works [15:48] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:48] it'll make an appropriate xorg.conf for you [15:48] aight and how do I go about installing it raela? [15:48] TehRabbitt: you can't select it graphically [15:48] at least not in slackware [15:48] if you have a xorg.conf, you could try putting in radeonhd, or radeon [15:48] NaCl: i know, which .conf do I select lol [15:48] ah [15:48] http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx [15:48] if http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.43&lang=English [15:49] bah [15:49] That url has less clicking [15:49] lol [15:49] well NaCl was nicer and found you the appropriate one :P [15:49] Or just https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-10-4-x86.x86_64.run [15:49] so i install that it *should* work? [15:49] no way to tell until you try [15:49] step one, force it to use the already available drivers. [15:50] step two, fglrx [15:50] NaCl: No XORG config file unless i'm looking in the wrong spot lol [15:50] you have to make one yourself [15:50] my card didn't work with radeon/hd drivers, but you never know.. do the open source drivers have hardware acceleration now? [15:50] oh :( haha perhaps that's why it's not working lol [15:50] raela: depends on the chipset [15:50] TehRabbitt: mayeb [15:50] .. /etc/xorg.conf? [15:50] *maybe [15:50] yes [15:50] hm aight lol [15:51] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-116.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:51] I thought it was /etc/X11/xorg.conf [15:51] any reason dhcp fails to grab an IP the first time around btw? [15:51] TehRabbitt: raela is correct [15:51] TehRabbitt, what do you mean? [15:51] Action: NaCl is thinking about math right now xD [15:51] raela: lspci | grep VGA [15:52] NaCl: 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS780MC [Radeon HD 3100 Graphics] [15:52] I don't care that the open source drivers don't work, though.. fglrx works and I have direct rendering now [15:52] That will work in 13.1 [15:52] Or -current [15:52] NaCl, an easier one is "lspci | grep -i vga" [15:52] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [15:53] alisonken1home: save on the strain of shift? :P [15:53] it's a big button [15:53] indeed [15:53] TehRabbitt: try xf86config [15:53] TehRabbitt: that should give you a basic xorg.conf [15:53] raela: sorgconfig [15:53] *xorgconfig [15:53] raela: xf86config bad command or filename :( [15:53] lol [15:54] TehRabbitt: as root? [15:54] Yes [15:54] xorgconfig [15:54] ^^ that [15:54] "xf86config: command not found" [15:54] ohhh [15:54] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:54] nope same thing [15:54] xorgsetup [15:54] okay try that :P I'm going off of my /etc/X11/xorg.conf-vesa.. it was generated by xf86config [15:54] I have xorgsetup [15:54] hm [15:54] Action: NaCl gives the Last Word [15:54] then again.. -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15858 2007-02-12 16:14 xorg.conf-vesa [15:54] raela: that file needs to be update [15:54] lol [15:54] updated [15:54] it could be -slightly- outdated [15:55] wow, my typing sucks [15:55] NaCl: I have a xorg.conf that is more up to date :P [15:55] So do I. [15:55] it only has server layout, monitor, device, and screen sections [15:55] so, I think the -vesa one is fine to stay old [15:56] by default, it should auto-detect everything [15:56] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [15:56] yeah, it works without one, but I need it to use the fglrx driver [15:56] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:56] my other laptop might not have a xorg.conf [15:57] radeon driver not working heh [15:58] I have a strange question. I used a USB stick to install onto a netbook. I put together a little image and used dd to write to the stick. Later when recovering the stick for use between a Windows computer I rewrote the partition at 1GiB FAT32, but when plugged into a Windows computer it insisted the stick was still 176MiB in size. I had to null-write the whole stick, not just the partition information in order for Windows to [15:58] read the partition info and get it right... [15:58] rheault (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:58] Failed to load module fglrx module does not exist no drivers available lol [15:58] NaCl: hrm.. I wonder if slack 13 came with the 2007 file. I'm pretty sure I completely wiped / in december [15:58] Just wondering, is there something other than partition and filesystem on a storage device that I am missing? [15:59] TehRabbitt: did you download and run the ati installer? [16:00] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [16:00] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8DD96.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:01] raela: not yet working on that now [16:02] TehRabbitt: well you can't use fglrx until you install it :P [16:03] velusip: it's a WIndows limitation. Windows won't handle multiple partitions on a USB stick - or at elast not without some sleight of hand [16:03] raela: true lol... i'm still trying to get used to how to install things in slackware... I'm used to being able to use things like apt in debian and emerge in gentoo where you could search for packages and install them [16:04] from what i've got so far if you want a specific driver / package you need to find it in the slackware tree manually wget the package, then run slackpkg on it [16:04] unless there's an easier way lol [16:04] raela: no clue [16:04] TehRabbitt: ahh.. well.. there's sbopkg for some things.. sbopkg -i whatever. but, I don't know if that does deps, and that depends on someone having made the slackbuild and submitted it beforehand [16:05] TehRabbitt: using slackware means you should be prepared to do a little leg work yourself :P [16:05] >.< [16:05] hey guys, where to you suggest i script the opening of some lvm/luks devices at boot (not root/home) [16:05] TehRabbitt, slackpkg will do the wgetting / installation for your for official packages [16:05] phrag: depends whats in the devices [16:05] if its just user stuff then in rc.local [16:05] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-123-213.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:06] Zordrak: but then won't fstab complain before it gets to rc.local ? [16:06] Zordrak: just backup storage [16:07] NyteOwl, thanks. Didn't know that. That answers a lot. So then Windows is looking into the filesystem information rather than the partition information and finding the old partition size and going with it... so when I null set the data that was cleared and it was then somehow forced to read the correct partition info instead... [16:07] phrag: ah indeed.. well, you can still store the mount options in fstab but not mount it until local [16:07] I think.... [16:07] phrag: otherwise perhaps look for approx where the NFS mounts get done in rc.M] [16:07] It's a wonder I never ran into this problem before today. [16:08] phrag: hold on.. [16:08] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:08] Zordrak: using the noauto fstab option ? [16:08] phrag: i have a non-root luks un my work box [16:08] and its mounted at boopt] [16:09] yeah.. you dont have to worry.. all i have in fstab is: [16:09] /dev/mapper/store /mnt/store xfs defaults 1 2 [16:09] raela: yea I know that there's a bit of legwork involved lol [16:09] breakage (~ash@unaffiliated/breakage) joined ##slackware. [16:10] the slack boot process handles the rest, detecteing the luks deviced in /dev/mapper/store [16:10] *device [16:10] grep luks /etc/rc.d/rc.M [16:10] Zordrak: hmm, so do you not use rc.local? [16:10] no.. i was just throwing thoughts out [16:10] forgot its already dealt with in the boot scripts [16:10] cool, yeh will mount in rc.local [16:11] phrag: no i mean you dont need to mount it in rc.local [16:11] root/home has it's own method.. i'll leave that there [16:11] just put the mapper device in fstab [16:11] and it will get picked jup [16:11] hmm, tried that and didnt seem to.. will try again, thanks =) [16:11] there might be something im missing [16:12] havent touched it in quite a wile [16:12] *while [16:12] ahhh [16:12] its in rc.S [16:12] # Open any volumes created by cryptsetup: [16:13] so like LVM the luks bit is dealt with during the initial part of the boot process.. then so long as the /dev/mapper device is in the fstab it will get mounted [16:14] AAAND ive found the bit i missed... /etc/crypttab [16:14] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:14] [16:14] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:14] hmm, they exist in /dev/mapper and lukssda3 and luks_crypto_HASH... [16:14] THATs what tells rc.S to open it [16:14] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:15] MarkT- (1000@S010600248c3ee38b.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:15] Publicity (~Publicity@cpe-173-173-56-39.stx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:15] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:15] Publicity (~Publicity@cpe-173-173-56-39.stx.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:16] extra_elvis (~extra_elv@166.189.8.47) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:16] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:16] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:17] breakage (ash@unaffiliated/breakage) left ##slackware. [16:17] why does slackware still use ifconfig in rc.inet1? [16:18] MarkT-: 'cos it feels like it [16:18] MarkT-: it's tried and tested and Pat will change it when he feels its necessary [16:18] MarkT-: things change because there's a better reason that "there's a new way to do it" [16:20] I've just been reading http://jengelh.medozas.de/2008/0219-ifconfig-sucks.php [16:20] gfy [16:21] MarkT-: well, despite the opinions of the writer, it seems like it's working well for slackware [16:21] this is listed as a bug? "The output of ifconfig is localized, which means you get it in your preferred language." [16:22] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@support.team.at.shellium.org expired. [16:22] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@support.team.at.shellium.org' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:22] well, it sure wasn't possible to set up my network properly using it... [16:22] i dont any distribution uses iproute over iputils [16:22] hm the ATI driver from their site is flgrx [16:22] MarkT-: and yet so many people have [16:22] lol [16:23] well, admittedly I may have an atypical network setup [16:23] Uhhh errors :( [16:23] having a dual-homed machine on both my lan subnet and a globally visible ip [16:24] http://pastebin.com/JP7ezKk1 [16:24] thats the errors it gave [16:24] MarkT-: put your case to Pat. He'll either ignore it or not. [16:24] hm, does slackpkg have issues when it's upgrading itself? [16:24] dios_mio (bs@88.241.140.212) left irc: Quit: We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. [16:24] Urchlay: kinda [16:24] Urchlay: upgrade slackpkg first [16:25] Urchlay: *then* anything else [16:25] Where can I find libavcodec? [16:25] seems to have upgraded itself OK, but then the next package it wanted to upgrade failed [16:25] NaCl: google [16:25] Action: NaCl sighs [16:25] Urchlay: yeah.. because it killed its own cache during the upgrade [16:25] Urchlay: upgrade slackpkg, deal with the .new files, then upgrade everything else separately [16:26] Action: NaCl installs ffmpeg [16:26] NaCl: bobs site covers pretty much everything [16:27] bobs site? [16:27] slackware/~alien [16:27] alienbob [16:27] oh [16:27] NaCl: any ideas? [16:27] ok, working now [16:27] http://pastebin.com/JP7ezKk1 [16:27] Action: NaCl has been doning other things [16:27] *doing [16:28] TehRabbitt: you didn't say you were using -current [16:28] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/running-fglrx-with-current-796669/ [16:28] NaCl: I did wayyyy long ago like an hour ago lol [16:28] Sorry, was distracted figuring out why the picard tagger hates me [16:28] lol np [16:28] so just install that slackbuild and I should be good to go? [16:29] The package may need to be updated [16:29] i.e. the source [16:29] be nice if slackpkg would warn you, or just plain refuse to upgrade itself [16:29] There's a newer one there [16:29] Urchlay: agreed [16:29] what do you mean ? [16:29] Urchlay: indeed.. but it is how it is [16:29] TehRabbitt: There is a newer fglrx package there [16:29] FRSoldier (frsoldier@93.94.25.110) left irc: Quit: life is but a dream [16:29] Action: NaCl leaves before the rage from picard seeps into here [16:30] well, it is how PiterPunk makes it be, maybe he can be convinced it's a good idea [16:31] Hmmm? [16:31] alienBOB: slackpkg barfing on an update that includes itself [16:31] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:31] Hey NaCl issues with ffmpeg? [16:32] Not really, just trying to get it. [16:32] Zordrak: yes, PiterPunk wanted to do something about that issue... it has bitten me too [16:32] Because the guy who made the picard slackbuild on SBo forgot something [16:32] Publicity (~Publicity@cpe-173-173-56-39.stx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:32] Urchlay: there y'go [16:32] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.34.212) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:32] or have slackpkg upgrade itself first [16:33] snowdonkey (~bennett@adsl-99-150-204-113.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:33] alienBOB: would have thought an "if slackpkg then upgrade slackpkg" would suffice [16:33] so where do I get the latest fglrx installer tarball? [16:33] not the one from ATI right? [16:33] Action: NaCl grabs his spoon for the last time [16:34] TehRabbitt: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/f/fglrx-installer/fglrx-installer_8.723.1.orig.tar.gz [16:34] From http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/fglrx [16:34] ah. [16:34] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/f/fglrx-installer/fglrx-installer_8.723.1.orig.tar.gz [16:34] 21:32:45 < NaCl> From http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/fglrx [16:34] sorry.. mouse fudge [16:34] kk [16:34] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-66-243-238-36.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:35] alienBOB: your ffmpeg build is static? [16:36] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:36] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) joined ##slackware. [16:37] Publicity (~Publicity@cpe-173-173-56-39.stx.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:39] NaCl: no [16:39] It installs dynamic libraries, but has all the codecs statically incorporated in those [16:40] That's what I was after. Thanks [16:41] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-66-243-238-36.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. 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[16:45] sure thing [16:46] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) joined ##slackware. [16:47] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.34.212) joined ##slackware. [16:47] NaCl: after this is done installing I should just be able to specify the fglrx in my XORG.conf and it *should* work right? lol [16:47] aticonfig --initial [16:48] or whatever [16:49] hey guys, anyone know why slackware wont open my new luks volume on boot.. root and home are initialised, and i've put the device in /etc/crypttab but i still have to manually initilise in rc.local, even though it should be detected in rc.S [16:51] uhh i think i broke something :-\ random letters / symbols going up the screen VERY fast heh [16:51] after running slackpkg install /tmp/fglrx*.tgz [16:52] installpkg [16:52] can't ctrl-c either [16:52] :( [16:52] wtf when I type stuff on the keyboard A == a smilie face [16:52] B = a $ symbol [16:52] etc [16:53] reset [16:53] if not, then ditch the shell [16:53] Action: NaCl leaves for real [16:53] what causes that :-\ lol [16:55] TehRabbitt: command reset [16:55] alienBOB: the ffmpeg build is dying here [16:55] Try the readymade package first NaCl [16:55] even in -current? [16:55] Yes [16:56] kk [16:56] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) joined ##slackware. [16:56] alienBOB: to be specific, ffmpeg can't seem to find dc1934 [16:59] ... aticonfig: No supported adapters detected lmao [16:59] NaCl: weird, using my SlackBuild and downloaded source tarballs? [17:00] yes [17:01] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:02] elemenohpee (~rafenator@cpe-70-95-95-200.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:02] alienBOB: just "ERROR: No version of libdc1394 found" followed by a bug report message followed by a bunch of make errors followed by the script dying [17:04] phrag: im sure it'll be something small [17:04] alienBOB: either way, the premade package seems to be happy [17:04] ok, so fglrx doesn't work either :( [17:04] phrag: perhaps a few debug entries to echo out [17:04] no supported ATI cards :-\ [17:05] and radeon driver doesn't work just ssays "Inappropriate ioctl for device(25)" [17:05] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-425183.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:05] Zordrak: i did it in rc.S, but it's not the clean way it should be done [17:06] phrag: and cryptab is (eg) "backup /dev/sdb3" [17:06] rc.S should detect the device, but i have to luksOpen it after the root luksOpen.. weird, but it's working now i guess =) [17:06] yeah [17:06] hm [17:06] elemenohpee (~rafenator@cpe-70-95-95-200.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: [17:07] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-185-76.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:08] heya,folks [17:08] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:08] MLanden: sup. Do you live on the moon? [17:08] NaCl: if you capture the build log and send it to me or to a pastebin I can have a look [17:08] Zordrak, the dark side....:) [17:09] anyway, off to make pancakes and bacon! >< [17:09] Nick change: xchg -> xchg_sa_tesi_nah [17:09] Nick change: xchg_sa_tesi_nah -> xchg_spi [17:09] MLanden: No-one is more perfectly absent when I'm here than you. [17:10] Zordrak, lol....true...does seem that way..;) [17:10] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:11] any other ideas on how to get kde to start? [17:11] im only here now cause im doing some weekend maintenance on the servers [17:12] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-116.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:12] elderK (~7deeff81@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk) joined ##slackware. [17:12] Anyone here still use KDE 3.5.10? [17:14] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:14] roshanavand (~root@188.158.80.54) joined ##slackware. [17:14] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:14] hi [17:14] how can I install network manager on slackware? [17:15] with a lot of work in -current [17:15] roshanavand: theres wicd in extra/ [17:15] Action: NaCl installed NetworkManager in slack once [17:15] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] slackytude (~slacky@f051113189.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [17:16] sahko: can you please tell me what exactly should I do? [17:16] roshanavand: install wicd from extra/ [17:16] I'm done with my spoon today [17:17] sahko: I don't understand this , I'm a newbie :D [17:17] sahko: how can I install wicd from /extra [17:17] roshanavand: in the dvd theres a dir called extra/ wicd is in it [17:17] roshanavand: it's l ikely a .tgz [17:17] roshanavand: newbies should read the slackbook [17:17] as root, installpkg /mount/dvd/extra/wicd.tgz or something similar. [17:18] and agreed, newbies should read the Slackbook. [17:18] It's full of good learnedness. [17:18] :D [17:18] everyone thanks :D [17:18] I never actually read it. :P [17:19] this is my first time I install slackware [17:19] roshanavand: there's an old saying about Slackware, man. [17:19] You learn Redhat, you learn Redhat. You learn Ubuntu, you learn Ubuntu. [17:19] you learn Slackware, you learn UNIX. [17:19] well, Linux. [17:19] : [17:19] :P [17:20] Just, be warned, if you are used to things being all GUI and click-to-install-automagically, [17:20] elderK, any problems with KDE3? [17:20] you're going to have a shock in Slackware. [17:20] MLanden: Not sure so far, man. I built it from source. [17:20] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Quit: gyroscope [17:20] It seems to be working alright, although, I had some issues getting Artsd to cooperate. Turned out to be some glitch in Glib. [17:20] G_SLICE etc. [17:21] doesn't most of the linux kernel come out of the redhat operation? [17:21] elderK: you don't need ARTS [17:22] So far, I'm not sure if it's working all properly or not :P [17:22] I seemed to have hotkey issues earlier. [17:22] Like, Alt-o wouldn't goto the location bar in Konqueror, etc. [17:22] But it seems to be working okayish now. [17:22] elderK, which version of the linux kernel are you using? [17:23] extra_elvis (~extra_elv@166.189.159.125) joined ##slackware. [17:23] 2.6.31, MLanden [17:24] elderK, ok [17:25] also, it's been a long time since I've used a conventional DE like KDE. I remember the Konsole having easy bindings for it's Session, Edit, etc, menus? [17:25] ie: Alt-S doesn't go to the sesson menu? [17:25] My memory's probably just flakey :) [17:27] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:27] elderK: Alt+blah or ctrl+blah are trapped by the term [17:28] NaCl: where is this "blah" key on your keyboard ? [17:28] Action: elderK nods [17:28] It's under the ANY. [17:28] :) [17:28] ah, thanks [17:28] precisely. :P [17:29] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:29] akode? [17:31] elderK, piece of the kdemultimedia package..:) [17:31] Aye - but it doesn't seem to be included there itself? [17:31] At least, it bitches at me about it. [17:32] at least it bitches at you. KDE 4.4 just died on me without reaosn, and bloated up to immobility. I wish it bitched, then I wouldn't have had to ditch it [17:33] Action: elderK nods [17:33] I'm not sure how long I'll be staying with KDE, still kind of looing for a WM I can jive well with. [17:34] Action: NaCl has almost no problems with KDE 4.4 [17:34] Kind of seems like the two major players these days are bloating beyond belief? [17:34] Well, two problems. [17:34] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:34] Kwin compositing dies [17:34] And the Alt-F2 doohickey also likes to freeze at times [17:35] Run Command? [17:35] yes [17:35] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] Kind of a shame there isn't a good Bluecurve ripoff these days. [17:36] Probably the only thing from Redhat I liked. [17:36] elderK: qtcurve [17:36] And it *is* good [17:36] How about the icon theme? [17:37] I was using some ol' RPM->TGZ, redhat-artwork-0.122 [17:37] don't know about that. [17:37] I just use the widgets [17:37] aha (~ubuntu@122-124-128-242.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:37] Icons /mostly/ were okay, mostly. [17:37] but there were a lot of inconsistencies, like... [17:37] is slackware still alive? [17:37] zoom buttons, the root folder in Navigation Bar in Konq, etc. [17:38] nope [17:38] elderK, whoops...looks like akode was a framework with some connections to GPL and nonGPL plugins..looks like KDEapps download link still works http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=30375 [17:38] rw1 (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:38] MLanden: If all I want to do is be able to play mp3s, do I need it? Will I benefit from it? [17:39] aha, it is [17:39] aha, 13.1 release soon [17:39] fine [17:39] how is ubuntu doing? [17:40] buttons on the left I hear [17:40] must be nice to be on the cutting edge of linux [17:40] lol... [17:40] :P [17:40] ubuntu is just another irc client for me [17:41] that's a pretty bloated irc client [17:41] elderK, if using kde's version of juk and amarok...wouldn't hurt...if not,YMMV..:) [17:42] alienBOB, rworkman: http://downloads.fuhell.com/public/rc.inet1 [17:42] kde3's version,I mean [17:42] One or two of the functions needs cleaned up, but its working [17:42] aha, lmao [17:42] because the ubuntu has no info about me [17:42] so it's secure for a irc client [17:42] can anyone help me use cfdisk to make partitions [17:43] aha: you never know, perhaps they're quitely tapping your wires [17:43] lol [17:43] alienBOB, rworkman:It will also take network in CIDR or in dot notation [17:43] this is CHINA! [17:43] aha, you live in china? [17:43] no way [17:43] keenken: why not use parted ? it's a lot more user-friendly [17:43] AppDeb (~AppDeb@77.49.242.66.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:43] chinese can kiss my ass only [17:44] adaptr, i'm installing slackware on a virtual box [17:44] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:45] latemus (~latemus@c-67-177-8-122.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [17:45] pi31415 (~rootabaga@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:45] what's vbox and what so you want to steal? [17:45] s/so/do [17:45] Can someone help me fix a synaptics touchpad that worked on kernel 2.6.33.3 and doesn't on 2.6.33.4? [17:45] MLanden: Sometimes, being a crazy minimalist is annoying. [17:45] damnt i need help installing slackware. [17:45] Longhorn|XP (~Longhorn@pool-173-72-94-9.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:45] Haksell: What kind of machine? [17:46] keenken, what is your issue? [17:46] Are you on an apple or just a regular PC? [17:46] Acer netbook [17:46] Hmm [17:46] i love minimalism [17:46] question: how many of the slackware cd's do i need to download? [17:46] Have you got the xf86-input-synaptics and mouse plugins? [17:46] yes [17:46] Longhorn|XP, first three [17:46] i have the first 3. do i need any more? [17:46] Longhorn|XP, nope [17:46] ook. thanks. [17:46] wanted to make sure before i install it. [17:46] keenken: cfdisk is easy to use. it tells you what to do [17:46] synaptics driver set in your Xorg.conf ? [17:46] elderK, gotcha...g'luck with KDE3 [17:47] :) Thanks MLanden. [17:47] Longhorn|XP, would be no problem to install first disk only and fetch the other two [17:47] mako-sama: i'm reading the help file now. [17:47] slackytude, yeah. but i hae all 3 downloaded now. so i think i'm good. [17:47] there is no xorg.conf that I use atm [17:47] roshanavand (~root@188.158.80.54) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:47] hofily slackware goes well. i really want to dump windows on my other computer -_- [17:48] however, i do not love false minimalism, and would would not say that "multimedia codecs are artificially complicated, therefore we should spurn commercial hardware and use forth." [17:48] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:48] the problem is dat gpm doesn't pick it up either [17:48] And dmesg doesn't show any record of it [17:49] synclient tells me the driver is not loaded [17:49] ok, i have wicd installed, but it doesn't try to connect to any access points at boot [17:49] and yes this is a fresh installation [17:49] only when i run wicd-client [17:49] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-185-76.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: bbiab [17:50] echelon, assign a default network [17:50] have it auto-connect [17:50] you can do that via the wicd-client [17:50] or the ncurses one [17:51] hell, go wild and do it with wicd-cli [17:51] slackytude, i did do that [17:51] pi31415 (rootabaga@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [17:51] i have "automatically connect to this network" checked [17:52] it should work then. you do start the wicd server? [17:52] during boot [17:52] yeah, /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd is executable [17:53] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:54] As for minimalism, the problem is in finding good tools that work. [17:54] Say, [17:54] A decent lightweight PDF reader. [17:54] ridout (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] umm.. i need to add it to rc.local? [17:54] slackytude? [17:56] it should be in rc.M [17:56] is it chmod +x ? [17:56] echelon: run the wicd-client once in X [17:56] And of course, the rc.wicd should be executable yes... [17:56] yo, bob [17:57] Or, run wicd-curses in the console if you do not want to start X [17:57] Like slackytude said [17:57] echelon, do you see it trying to connect? can it see the network already? [17:57] rw1 (rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) left ##slackware. [17:58] it might take some time for the network to appear and wicd trying to connect. I get that sometimes when I come out of hibernation in a different wlan [17:58] aha (ubuntu@122-124-128-242.dynamic.hinet.net) left ##slackware. [17:58] wicd doesn't seem to do anything [17:58] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:59] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [17:59] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) joined ##slackware. [18:00] alienBOB, Do you have a (few) minutes? [18:01] heh, oops. [18:03] how much does a block represent in memory? 512 bytes? [18:03] on disk, 512B is a sector. [18:03] on disk, a block depends on the FS. [18:04] In memory, it depends on the allocation policy used. [18:04] capitol B is bytes lowercase b is bits? [18:04] if you're FS is using 1KiB blocks, 1K. If 4KiB blocks, 4K, I guess. [18:04] [KMG]iB = kilo,mega,giga bytes. [18:04] or if you want to get pedantic, [18:05] kibi, mibi, gigi bytes. :P [18:05] ne7work (ne7work@78.83.153.108) left irc: [18:05] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:05] isn Mbps diff than MBps [18:05] Usually keenken, yes. [18:05] I do not understand it little, what role have HAL in acpi suspend process ? [18:05] Megabit per second vs. Megabytes per second. [18:05] but these days, people seem to have lost that distinction - it's become a stylistic thing. [18:05] dhabyxc (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [18:06] Which is why there is now MiB, KiB, etc, to be more explicit. [18:06] epdfview vs. xpdf people, any thoughts? [18:08] elderK, thanks that was informative. [18:08] xpdf sucks goatballs but is better than nothing [18:09] if you can have epdfview instead, use it [18:09] well, epdfview has the annoying feature that Ctrl-+ on the numeric row doesn't work. [18:09] only numpad :/ [18:10] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [18:11] xpdf is fine.. it's light and always there ;) [18:11] Apparently you can theme it somewhat, too. [18:11] yeah, runs anywhere [18:11] At least, I've seen screenshots with it kinda themed. [18:11] tsk, i ran startx before checking if wicd tried to connect -_- [18:11] elderK, in the slackware installation setup, i'm reading the "Slackware Setup Help." In this, it says that your swap space should match the size of your ram... then it says 1-2gb is fairly nice for a swap partition size. I have 8 gigs of ram. Should I make a swap this size, or am I taking it out of context. [18:11] One annoyance of XPDF that I remember, is the open-pdf dialog. [18:11] But then again, who opens PDFs with XPDF using a dialog box? :) [18:11] keenken, depends [18:12] i have wicd-client autostart on startx :-/ [18:12] Nick change: dhabyxc -> dhabyx [18:12] keenken: I doubt you need tha tmuch - 2G should be fine. [18:12] elderK: yup.. but what sucks more in xpdf is printing [18:12] keenken, you want to hibernate the machine? if so, its good to have swap. otherwise, you wont ever need swap at all [18:12] but whats 8Gb of hd space [18:12] doesn't use CUPs, mako-sama? [18:12] Skywise, to the minimalist, a LOT [18:12] you prolly won't need it right now, but you could need it in the future [18:12] and resizing partitions can be a pain [18:13] hell if you really need 8gb of space, just get a flash drive [18:13] elderK: xpdf asks you what command to use.. it just pipes the pages to whatever command you give [18:13] elderK, slackytude: I am making a virtual machine i think its 15 gig hard disk space running on 128 - 256 mb of ram now that I think about it lol. [18:14] Just questions for when I install it fully on my computer, but I digress. [18:16] elderK_ (~7deeff81@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk) joined ##slackware. [18:16] There we go. [18:16] At least for the time being. [18:16] Good ol' TWM. [18:16] :P [18:17] elderK (~7deeff81@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:18] lol [18:19] :P [18:19] Seriously. [18:19] :P I've been installing things package by package, [18:19] I even wrote a series of scripts that take "transcripts" of things, from the DVD, [18:19] and index it all. [18:19] hi all [18:19] so I can say, pkg-locate [18:19] and it'll tell me exactly which tgz has it :P [18:20] since I install X11 piece by piece, literally, that comes in handy. [18:20] :) [18:20] i just ls /var/log/packages [18:20] it also indexes my system for missing dependencies, and tells me which packages I need to install to satisfy em. [18:20] Well, that's all good. [18:20] but in order to see which deps are unmet, [18:20] you generally use ldd [18:20] or wait for a crash later. [18:20] :) [18:21] The upside is, it telsl me the reverse too - which deps are used by what programs. [18:21] So, I can see if there is some podunk app I never use or care about :P [18:21] wanting some dep, that will never be used or cared about. [18:21] :P Told you, manic pedantic minimalist. [18:21] :P [18:21] Everything not considered part of the "core" system is in /opt [18:21] since you can have more then 1 version of a library installed at a time, i just don't uninstall anything [18:21] is manic pendatism a recognized illness now ? do you have a DSMV reference ? [18:21] Most of hte typical stuff is in /usr/local, rather than /usr [18:22] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:22] adaptr: fraid not, :P [18:22] pity [18:22] i bet it is [18:22] Action: elderK_ lights cigarette, smiles happily [18:22] :) [18:22] I will say though, as much as it's a PITA, I'm kind of proud of my little package scripts. [18:22] It made my job a lot easier. [18:22] they just scrape google searches for complaints and then add it to the book [18:23] Still, I need to decide what WM to run and the like, as it's starting ot suck too much time. [18:23] :) [18:23] psychology is all made up anyway, they're not particular about the sources [18:23] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:23] Agreed. [18:23] It's trial'n'error :P [18:24] well if they even knew the slightest thing about their subect, mental hospitals wouldn't be so feared and reviled [18:24] :D So, any recommendations, guys? [18:25] kwin [18:25] Vs. something like FVWM? [18:25] um, i'm sure someone else has already made whatever you want [18:26] you can have as many window managers installed as you like [18:26] I know :) [18:26] so don't choose when you don't have to [18:27] MarkT- (1000@S010600248c3ee38b.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:27] BrZ (~BrZ@201-67-34-12.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:27] It's lame, but, the lack of consistency in the DE is what drives me nuts. [18:27] FVWM isn't exactly any better, [18:28] they all seem rather unfinished to me [18:28] Aye. [18:28] That and the various themes, say. [18:28] Like, load up some icons into Konqueror or whatever, [18:28] and you'll notice if you go into /dev or something, you can wind up with a bunch of weird looking defaults. [18:28] because the theme doesn't define anything for em. [18:28] Bugs hte hell out of me. [18:29] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:29] yeah, you can easily bork the enviroment just by using the menus [18:30] think i've found and fixed a bug with lvm/luks [18:30] I'd be reasonably content if I could get everything to look Bluecurvey and consistent. [18:30] but I'm not sure really how to achieve that with say, Firefox. [18:30] although i guess it depends on one's specific situation [18:31] The FM is easier to manage. [18:31] What bug, phrag? [18:31] :) I'm using LVM, so info-me-up, buddy! [18:31] \o/ [18:31] think I got my computer hacked \\o o// \o/ [18:31] lvm not (re)initialising after addiition luks devices are opened [18:31] what makes you think that? [18:32] erm, the past 2 hours playing with it trying to get my luks/lvm storage mounted at boot [18:32] Haksell (~Haksell@87-239-97-61-dsl.qfast.net) left irc: Quit: Haksell [18:32] basically, LVM should be called after luksOpen [18:32] no, not that, adrien getting hacked [18:33] so wether it need to be caled twice, once before once after to cover lvm on luks and luks on lvm =P [18:33] Skywise: well, it failed misteriously a few days ago and I just got physical access, turns out /usr/bin was chmod 750, same for /usr/{bin,man,share,doc} but not other folders [18:33] and it's not something on my end since I was doing something else at the same time and wasn't root or sudo'ed [18:33] elderK_, you could pre-install defaults for firefox [18:33] are the logs deleted? [18:34] elderK_, pre-define [18:34] and check .bash_history [18:34] right [18:34] (getting late here) [18:34] might check who as well [18:34] slackytude: you mean, create a firefox icon theme type thing? [18:34] elderK_, in a nutshell [18:35] i'd take the thing offline and look at the drives in another machine [18:35] Not sure how todo that :) Would have to take a gander at Firefox docs. [18:35] mount it noexec and see what happened on it [18:35] But aye, good point, slackytude. [18:36] elderK_, check how nautilus or whatever looks up icons. [18:36] elderK_, you usually can override defaults and speccify your own icon instead. [18:36] usually [18:36] I find it interesting that, like, [18:36] Firefox sems to be using Tango icons, [18:36] is there any way to use rc.inet1 to do vlan setup stuff? Or do I have to do it in rc.local? [18:36] when I have no icon sets installed whatsoever. [18:36] not even highcolor. [18:36] Nothing. [18:36] MarkT-, why not rc.local? [18:37] and I just nuked KDE completely, there's nothing but X and TWM and Firefox [18:37] :P It's what I'm talking to you now via. [18:37] you say that like its a bad thing [18:37] well, primarily because that gets launched after everything else [18:37] MarkT-, so ? [18:39] well, nothing in syslog or various history files [18:39] but getting a nice reinstall anyway [18:40] slackytude: wouldn't that cause problems for services that get started before the vlan is setup that are supposed to be aware of the additional ip address? [18:42] Longhorn|XP (~Longhorn@pool-173-72-94-9.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:46] maybe I haven't looked into vlans enough, but with openvpn for example you bring up the virtual device and setup the routing accordingly. all additional servers will be started in rc.local too, after the vlan. what would start between rc.inet1 and rc.local that really needs to be aware of how many devices and routing entries there going to be. [18:47] except maybe nfs [18:47] HAHAHAAH [18:47] I just gave a spiel to a frienda bout X11, [18:47] TWM, X10, etc. [18:47] The history of it. [18:47] nvision (~nvision@g226060036.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:47] It was funny [18:47] no...not vpn... 802.1q [18:47] "so, man, how do you want to see the FUTURE OF HTE PAST!" [18:47] :P [18:47] Action: elderK_ friend looks unexcited [18:47] but but but but it's HISTORY! [18:47] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:47] Action: elderK_ points to X11 in TWMeystrictmode [18:47] Action: elderK_ friend still looks unexcited. [18:47] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-185-76.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:47] :P [18:48] I mean come on, TWM was built about 3 months before I was born :P [18:48] That's cool in a weird way. [18:48] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) joined ##slackware. [18:48] MarkT-, excuse may ignorance but how is that different? [18:48] s/may/my [18:51] .34, yey! [18:51] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: DURgod [18:52] MarkT-, openvpn does that too, I think [18:53] well, be that as it may [18:54] I have two ip addresses.... I'd prefer that services that get started up which are ip aware be aware of both of them when they start [18:54] as it is, they start up only aware of one. [18:55] that would depend on the service in question. there are services that allow you to specify one IP or all IPs, or one IP or two IPs or whatever,and there are services that ake one IP and don't allow you any choice in the matter [18:55] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:55] MarkT-, I would edit rc.M then, and call my vlan setup before rc.inet1 [18:55] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [18:55] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [18:55] why not setup your vlan in rc.inet1 [18:56] well that's what I was wondering... if I would have to do that myself or if rc.inet1 had the ability to do it. [18:56] is it crusial? I would just bind to all addresses [18:56] can't you change the conf to do that? [18:56] MarkT-: I've created something that I call network-scripts-ng which may do that [18:56] I hadn't thought of changing the standarc rc.* files directly [18:57] MarkT-: http://github.com/mina86/network-scripts-ng [18:57] MarkT-: if you are interested [18:57] look at rc.inet1.conf [18:57] opening the link now... [18:59] MarkT-: I mean it may be too much, but all you'd have to do with my script is define a new subsystem and bind an interface to it [19:00] interesting that there's a slackbuild script for it [19:00] Well, it is ment for Slackware after all [19:02] wow... [19:02] it's exhaustive. [19:03] BrZ (~BrZ@201-67-34-12.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: . [19:03] or at least seems to be [19:04] well, yeah, the original rc.inet1 was not enough for me so I wrote my own, more configurable [19:05] does it use iproute2? [19:07] it uses route for adding default gateway [19:07] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [19:07] and ipconfig for setting up interfaces and static addresses [19:07] TehRabbitt: FYI, you got some really bad advice earlier. fglrx will not work with your GPU. [19:07] ipconfig? [19:07] TehRabbitt: Did you ever get things working the way you wanted? [19:07] ...ifconfig [19:08] ah [19:08] yes, ifconfig [19:08] so no... not iproute2 [19:08] no [19:08] MarkT-: you can use iproute2 suite or ifconfig [19:08] yes, you can. [19:09] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) joined ##slackware. [19:11] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:11] MarkT-: in any event, it's pretty late down here so if you are interested in theso scripts my email is in the README [19:11] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) joined ##slackware. [19:11] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:12] and good night (UGT) to everyone [19:12] edthix (~ed@175.144.229.97) joined ##slackware. [19:12] FINALLY up and running on the updated server.. phew. [19:12] Am looking for thoughts on mounting multiple noauto dirs [19:12] okay [19:12] mount wont accept a wildcard [19:13] should it, zordrak? [19:13] i have 13 dirs i need to mount on demand, but not on boot [19:13] best my tired brtain can come up with is a for loop that does a mount on the result of an ls [19:13] each one needs to be mounted someplace [19:13] automount [19:13] ananke: die now [19:13] :) [19:14] you did say "on demand" [19:14] Zordrak: for loop? :P [19:14] ananke: i didnt mean on demand when i said in demand [19:14] hey, I'm working on rebuilding ekiga on the latest -current and this is happening now: checking for kabc/addressee.h... no configure: error: We need this header! [19:14] *on [19:14] that header seems to be something to do with kde address book? [19:14] I mean.. when I choose to do it [19:14] its a DRBD resource with LVM on it. [19:14] I'm not sure how it would use wildcards... are the wildcard references for the devices or are they for the mount points? [19:14] When I secondary one server and primary the other, I need to mount all the LVs on the new primary [19:15] dangerseeker (~dangersee@p57A8DAD2.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:15] they have fstab entries, but they are noauto so it doesnt try to do it on boot [19:15] adamk (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [19:15] just throw all the 'mount /some/mountpoint' into a script and call it a day [19:15] antiwire: isnt ekiga a gnome application? [19:15] so ideally I would just mount /mnt/store/files/* [19:15] sahko: ... [19:15] ananke: meh i guess [19:15] Zordrak: kiss [19:15] sahko: That isn't the point and ekiga is on SBo too. [19:15] just why the f wont mount take a wildcard for it? [19:16] sahko: it is also compatible with kde [19:16] I want to mount every subdir based on its fstab.. surely thats a simple thing [19:16] antiwire: no , i mean why would it need kde. ah, dont know [19:16] sounds unlikely [19:16] sahko: because when you build it for kde is needs kde libs? [19:16] ... [19:16] I installed mod_perl for apache how do I enable it and how do I enable ssl with apache? [19:17] Zordrak, for loop sounds ok in a case like that [19:17] screw it, I'll disable the address book. [19:17] I agree with ananke , just throw it in a script [19:18] antiwire: are you building it on current? [19:18] I am [19:18] which I said [19:19] just an idea maybe the kde version is too new for it. as 3.2.6 was released in 2009 [19:19] yeah idiot, quit trying to help [19:19] september 2009 [19:19] Something must have changed with the kabc in the last batch of kde updates [19:19] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:20] sahko: what is the point of trying to tear apart what someone is doing rather than suggest a course of action? Nothing you have said even applies to the missing header. [19:20] I have disabled the address book support for now. [19:21] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:21] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-186.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:21] yeah im not familiar with the application [19:21] hmmm... there doesn't seem to be a command-line equivalent to the system call 'realpath' [19:21] if there were, doing what zordrak wants would be easy. [19:22] as it sits, it's no harder than writing a 6 line C program and compiling it. [19:23] when "slackpkg upgrade-all" try to upgrade "slackpkg" why dont do it that at the end of upgrade? [19:24] the smart way would be doing it first [19:24] because it is upgrading itself first in case there bugs that are fixed? [19:24] antiwire: kdepimlibs doesnt have that header [19:24] in 4.4.3* [19:25] sahko, or at first...right...but today nothing of that happend,and my upgrade stopped :p [19:26] v4nelle, update it first, then run it again [19:27] i do it :) [19:28] bw,no bugs in current(for me) :) [19:28] hmm [19:28] fvwm doesn't seem to have any mechanism to set things for borders ery well. [19:28] titlebar, sure [19:29] but the "handles" aren't really themeable at all. [19:29] perhaps Sawfish isthe better alternative. [19:31] extra_elvis (~extra_elv@166.189.159.125) left irc: [19:31] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:32] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [19:33] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:34] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:35] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:36] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:37] hey [19:38] what's the difference between primary and logical partition [19:38] damn kud [19:38] *kid [19:38] Primary is a primary partition, nuff said. [19:38] Logical partitions in the MBR sense, are housed within an EXTENDED partition. [19:38] This scheme was created a long time ago to get around the 4-partition MBR limit. [19:39] See, the extended partition has a VBR - which creates a linked list of logical partitions, each of those has a VBR. [19:39] All logical partitions exist within the space defined by the extended partition. [19:39] HOWEVER [19:39] ridout (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:39] Be specific when you mention :Logical partitions, etc. [19:39] ie: Are you talking MBR? [19:39] or are you talking LVM? [19:39] In which case, the proper term would be Logical volume. [19:40] oh wow... [19:40] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet. [19:40] Hmm, sawfish vs. fvwm... [19:40] keenken: wow? :) [19:40] idk ... i don't know what that means [19:40] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:40] It's more wow when you walk it in a hex editor. [19:40] I'm a beginner to linux, totally. [19:40] LVM = Logical volume manager. [19:40] It lets you create virtualized volumes. [19:40] As for the MBR/Logical partition thing, [19:40] That's PC specific, not Linux specific. [19:41] should the swap be a logical volume then/? [19:41] Are you using LVM? :) [19:41] If you are, sure. [19:41] lvm? [19:41] IF not, make the swap a logical partition. [19:41] what is that? [19:41] Logical volume manager. [19:41] It's a way to create many easily-resizable "volumes", similar to partitions. [19:41] elderK_, you have to be a bit more specific. I don't really know anything. I just installed ubuntu... and now I want to try slack... lol [19:41] except they exist in a container partition - called a volume group. [19:41] I am being specific. [19:42] keenken: If you really want to learn about this stuff, [19:42] RTFM :) [19:42] it only says logical partition [19:42] Are you using fdisk...? [19:42] rtfm? i really do [19:42] or cfdisk? [19:42] cfdisk [19:42] exactly, that's not LVM. [19:42] that's MBR. [19:42] you're swamping a newbie with extraneous stuff. try to keep it light [19:42] Create a logical partition, keenken. [19:42] logical volume manager... and what's mbr? [19:42] That'll do you fine. [19:42] master boot record. [19:43] Just use cfdisk, [19:43] make a logical swap partition [19:43] that'll do you fine. [19:43] Action: elderK_ nods [19:43] agreed, alphageek ? [19:43] should my / (root) partition be primary? [19:43] yup [19:43] lovely [19:43] thanks, elderK_ [19:43] well, if you want to be crazy, [19:43] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [19:43] well, yeah. [19:44] basically, [19:44] I can neither agree nor disagree. you've wandered all over the place so much, even _I_ can't figure out half of what you've said [19:44] Hey, I answered his question :P He asked what logical partitionw as, so I Explained. [19:44] :) [19:45] it's asking if it should be beginning or ending [19:45] beginning [19:46] until you learn more, or have a special reason, always beginning [19:46] for both primary / and the swap file [19:46] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:46] See, beginning vs. ending, means the partition will be from the BEGINNING of free space, or from teh ENDING of free space, on disk. [19:46] so, [19:46] if you have say no partitions, [19:46] the / will be at the first available place on disk, that's suitable. [19:46] when you create swap logical, [19:46] it will be similar. [19:47] in a conceptual sense, they will be beside each other. [19:47] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [19:47] If you say "ending", it will be placed as HIGH on the disk as it can. If you kennit [19:47] oh i c [19:47] Like, if you think of the "disk" as a rectangle, just a box. [19:47] and the left as low disk [19:47] right as high disk [19:48] beginning goes from left to right [19:48] end goes from right to left. [19:48] umm so, if I already have stuff on it, then I can still pick beginning and it will move all the stuff already on other partitions up the hard disk? [19:48] The partitions would be seen filled in areas on the rectangle. [19:48] alrigh ti c [19:48] It doesnt MVOE partitions, [19:48] It simply creates partitions in the freespace, from the beginning of hte disk - or the end [19:48] ie: [19:49] when you create a partition from teh beginning, [19:49] oic [19:49] thanks a lot [19:49] it will look for a region with enough space, for your partition to fit, [19:49] :) [19:49] np [19:49] elder k [19:49] what did you tell me to ready if i really wanted to learn this stuff? [19:49] read* [19:49] for partitioning and the like, [19:50] the Slackbook will help you. [19:50] Also, wikipedia's partition table entry will help you, [19:50] Master boot record, etc, on wikipedia, will at least give you a little background. [19:50] Generally, info and man pages will help you. [19:50] With Linux and Slackware especially, you get what you give. [19:50] or poke through /usr/doc/Linux-HOWTOs/ .. you did install them, right? [19:50] :) The more you study up, the more fun you will have. [19:50] and aye, the how tos. [19:51] the Linux-HOWTO pages are useful too. [19:51] :) [19:51] mostly out of date tho [19:51] hardly [19:51] hmm i'm not sure i will check [19:51] out of date, sure, but still highly useful and interesting :) [19:52] enough to give base understanding. [19:52] true enough. [19:54] hmmm... that was actually fun to write. [19:54] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) joined ##slackware. [19:55] what did you do? [19:56] should all my partitions be bootable? [19:56] a utility to do what zordrak was asking about half an hour ago... [19:57] keenken: no [19:57] alpageek, should my type 83 partition be bottable and 82 not? [19:57] keenken: depending where you install lilo (the bootloader), you'll set only 1 partition bootable or none [19:57] if you install lilo to the mbr, don't set any bootable [19:57] i understand 82 is linux swap and 83 is linux file system [19:57] had to separate it into two parts... a C utility to return the full pathname of a given file, and a shell script that does the real work [19:58] mbr? [19:58] Nick change: OutBound -> wario [19:58] if you install lilo to a particular partition (ie: the one corresponding to '/boot' if it's separate, otherwise '/'), set it bootable [19:58] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [19:59] master boot record. the first sector of the disk. aka: the raw disk [19:59] say you have 'boot = /dev/hda' in your /etc/lilo.conf. that's pointing to the mbr [19:59] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-185-76.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:00] 'boot = /dev/hda1' would be pointing to the first primary partition [20:00] etc etc [20:00] I have a question about paste buffers [20:00] I think that /dev/hd* is obsolete now [20:00] to add more fun, on newer hardware & kernels you'd be referring to /dev/sda & /dev/sda1 (respectively) [20:00] *nod* [20:01] I noticed that for some reason, I can paste a url from browser to irc, but no text from a page to irc, and no text from any webpage to any terminal or pasting of any kind. It seems the only thing I can copy buffer and paste is a url. Any ideas? [20:01] Modern kernels use /dev/sd* instead. [20:01] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:01] hmm. [20:01] slack 13.1 will use /dev/sd* regardless of drive type [20:02] markt-, hda is obsolete? [20:02] slack 13.0 uses /dev/hd* for PATA & /dev/sd* for SATA & SCSI [20:02] ridout (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:02] alphageek, will it mater at all? [20:02] very much so [20:02] affect the way my system works and all.. [20:02] actually, on my machine, my boot device is /dev/sdb, which was originally /dev/hda [20:02] oh, not at all [20:02] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-113-155.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:03] it's just a difference in how the kernel presents the devices [20:03] oic [20:03] only the names are different [20:03] it could make things confusing though [20:03] yup... [20:03] but you _will_ have to use the devices as presented. if you see /dev/hd* when you look in the /dev/ directory, trying to put /dev/sd* stuff in your lilo.conf (for example) will not work [20:04] gotta be careful when you upgrade kernels. [20:04] it because it uses libsata now for ide [20:04] yep [20:04] I'm rather looking forward to the unification of device naming [20:05] unification of device naming? [20:05] the new world oreder [20:05] it can get rather tangled trying to figure out which device is which when you have a mix of pata & sata on the same machine.. then plug in a usb stick :) [20:05] will programs automagically try to put stuff in /dev/sd* when installing because it's a newer version. Or do I not know what I'm talking abotu? [20:05] it does sound rather... impressive. [20:05] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:05] any ideas on my question? [20:05] btw, if anyone has had any issues with varies laptops/netbooks not resuming from suspend or blank screens on -current. Kernel 2.6.33.4 fixes many of those [20:05] keenken: the slack installer will automatically use what's appropriate [20:06] alphageek, alright thanks a lot [20:06] briareus: I've noticed that too. no idea on a solution [20:06] alphageek: just lately? [20:06] for me it's going between urxvt & firefox [20:06] alphageek: its a new-ish development for me [20:07] Target partitions? should my 82 swap type be in there along with my 83 linux type? [20:07] I honestly don't know how long ago I noticed it [20:07] strange [20:07] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:07] AppDeb (~AppDeb@77.49.242.66.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:07] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [20:07] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:07] I can paste from webpages without a problem.. using xterm here [20:07] which actually the current -current is using now. :) [20:08] firefox, aterm and eterm here. [20:08] I'll try an x [20:08] cool, my slackware system is now installing :)))) [20:09] mako-sama: it does work in an xterm [20:09] \o/ [20:09] but it used to work in my aterms and eterms [20:09] mako-sama: thank you for the clue [20:09] briareus: have you tried the middle mouse button or the two mouse buttons together? [20:09] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [20:09] wario: middle click for me, two buttons seems ineffective [20:09] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:09] I don't use aterm/eterm... but I did use kde terminal for a while and it works too [20:09] briareus: sometimes I can paste from text to term, sometimes not [20:10] briareus: oh, okay [20:10] briareus: I can paste from firefox to kwrite to term always [20:10] raela: interesting that it is a variable [20:10] briareus: sometimes I can "fix" it by messing with highlighting/unhilighting text in both irssi and firefox, but that doesn't always work so I just go with kwrite if it doesn't work right off [20:11] interesting. [20:11] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:11] I wonder what's changed, since I've operated with this config for ages. [20:11] years in fact. it only recently seems to be a problem. [20:11] I wonder... [20:11] I think I had the issue in 12.2, too. happens in rxvt and urxvt [20:12] briareus: do you have a xorg.conf? [20:12] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [20:12] I have a submenu where I conjure terms from a list of customized ones. I'll go through their configs and see what the switch might be. [20:12] so the new slackware uses x.org 1.8? [20:12] sahko: yeah [20:12] does your mouse have 3 buttons or emulating the behaviour? [20:13] sahko: I believe so, I have middle click pastability (that a word?) [20:13] schoene (~mark@cpe-65-189-215-224.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:13] Option "Protocol" "auto" [20:13] Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" [20:13] Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7" [20:14] and driver "mouse" [20:14] mako-sama: xorg-server-1.7.7-i486-1.txz & xorg-server-1.7.7-x86_64-1.txz [20:16] dios_mio (test@88.241.140.212) joined ##slackware. [20:16] MarkT- (1000@S010600248c3ee38b.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:16] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:16] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) joined ##slackware. [20:18] teckan (~teckan@p578E37B6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [20:18] what happened to the good old xdiskusage x11 package? [20:19] sahko: I've had the same issue, with and without xorg.conf, one laptop using a usb mouse with a middle button, one laptop using two buttons to paste [20:19] if i press eneter while installing [20:19] does that kill it [20:19] ?? [20:19] hey keenken, how is it going? [20:19] alright yourself? [20:20] van_ (~van@79.107.196.122) joined ##slackware. [20:20] dios_mio, if i press enter while it's installing packages, does that kill the setup? [20:20] or installation [20:21] keenken: as in when in the installer while it's going through the packages? no, enter is fine [20:21] it's staying on pkgtools-13.0-noarch-3 forever..., raela [20:22] keenken: slow computer? [20:22] no. quadcore with 8gigs of ram [20:23] i'm in virtual machine though... it has 256 mb allocated for ram & 8gig hdd [20:23] I would think it would be fine. [20:24] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) left irc: Disconnected by services [20:24] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:24] look at vt4 [20:24] it should give you some information [20:24] alt-f4 [20:24] it might give you some info regarding why it seems to have sstalled. [20:25] it says hdd isn't found [20:25] hold on [20:25] let me check again [20:25] mount:special device /dev/hdd does not exist.... wow that sounds bad... [20:25] : [20:25] mount: special* [20:25] van_ (van@79.107.196.122) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:26] v4nelle (~van@79.107.196.122) joined ##slackware. [20:27] well, aye. [20:27] what is HDD sposed ot reference? [20:27] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:27] hda, hdb, hdc, hdd [20:27] hard disk drive? [20:27] lmao... that sounds so bad [20:27] was i suppose to do anything else after i made partitions [20:27] it does? [20:27] but what more likely is your devices changed from hdd to sdd [20:27] idk if does or not.. [20:28] aww i'm so confused lol [20:28] does that mean this install failed? [20:28] mid-install it changed? :> [20:28] i wasn't watching it for whole install [20:28] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.126) joined ##slackware. [20:28] but on alt-f1 it says killed [20:28] I doubt it changed midair. [20:28] @slackware:/# Killed [20:28] It's more likely something screwed up earlier. [20:29] It'd help to knwo what VM you are running in. [20:29] hmm what do I do? [20:29] virtualbose ose [20:29] virtual box ose [20:30] dmesg [20:30] yah it looks like it just froze, elderK_ [20:30] look for messages there talking about hd[abcd] [20:30] in f4? [20:30] in any working vt. [20:30] f2 even [20:30] it doenst matter, aslong as yo can dmesg | less [20:30] teckan (~teckan@p578E37B6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:31] i think it's frozen [20:31] it's not letting me press enter type anyting or anything haha [20:31] seems like my f3 is frozen as well [20:32] in f1 it says 98 percent [20:33] nothing you're saying makes sense. [20:33] 98 percent? [20:33] whaaaaa? [20:33] lol i know... [20:33] i'm not sure whats wrong with it [20:33] It's possibly some glitch in the VM's emulation [20:33] should i just restart it? [20:33] I would [20:33] hrad (~lisak@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:34] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [20:34] its still letting me switch consoles, so I didn't know if it was frozen or not still... [20:34] alright restarting.... [20:34] waiiit [20:34] dont restart if you get get information still [20:34] if you can switch consoles, [20:34] then you can type commands [20:34] if you can type commands, [20:34] type dmesg | less [20:34] it wouldn't let me type commands though [20:34] it sounds likte the vm baked itself. [20:34] :P [20:35] i was in f3 trying to type a command... [20:35] and it let me type a letter i typed on accident pressed enter... then froze. [20:35] BEn3 (~fabio@93-41-224-244.ip83.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:35] try f2, f5, f6... [20:35] f3 is a dead VT, iirc [20:35] f1-4 [20:35] Action: oxiredo_ro good night all [20:35] only i believe [20:35] try anyway ;) [20:35] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:37] nope [20:37] only f1-3 [20:37] f4 when i start installation to check its status [20:38] should I try to restart my system [20:38] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:38] and see if it does anything? [20:39] alright it's reinstalling [20:39] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:39] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [20:39] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:40] have fun [20:40] haha alright [20:41] i'll have a lot of fun when installing freebsd ;X [20:41] :) It's difficult trying to help in the dark. [20:41] ;x [20:41] hahaha [20:41] yeah. [20:41] :D [20:41] :x [20:41] FBSD is fun [20:41] :) [20:41] weird [20:41] As long as you keep it fun and don't let it frusterate you [20:41] nice. i did it earlier [20:41] when you get frustrated, take a break :) [20:41] except i installed basic.. [20:41] thats what I do [20:41] omg intallpkg error#1 [20:41] it says killed 4 times [20:42] haha [20:42] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [20:42] elderK_, which ext* should I use? [20:43] 2, 3, or 4? [20:43] Any you want [20:43] I'd say 4 [20:43] since, it has the latest extensions, improvements. [20:43] I personally use 2 for my own insane reasons :) [20:43] jfs [20:43] but unless you need serious interopability, you don't need to use 2 and might as well benefit from 4. [20:43] or xfs [20:43] hmm [20:43] mako-sama: what're [jx]fs advantages? [20:43] now it's saying no linux partions [20:44] detected [20:44] ahaha wow... idk what's going on [20:44] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) joined ##slackware. [20:44] elderK_: they just work... stable and fast [20:45] I've not had any issues with ext* unles I've crashed or something :P [20:45] and I haven't had any data loss even with repeated power failures [20:45] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:45] oh.. and fsck on them doesn't take a century and a half [20:46] adamk (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:46] mako-sama: ever tried ls'ing in ext2, with like, 32k files? [20:46] it's funny. [20:46] P [20:46] Channel flood from elderK_ -- kicking [20:46] :P [20:46] elderK_ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [20:47] .... getting kicked like this is funny [20:47] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [20:47] oh [20:47] i think i know why it was stopping [20:47] there's two disk... [20:49] if i have two disk for installing a program, how can i enable the 2nd one in a virtual machine(virtualbox ose) to finish installation? 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[21:01] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) left irc: Quit: velusip [21:03] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:06] ridout (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:06] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [21:07] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:10] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [21:12] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:12] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:14] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] can anyone think of why audacious would randomly stop? I can press play and get it going again, but it's pretty annoying [21:31] though I've had the issue in xmms as well [21:31] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6AC12.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] dngr (~dngr@n112118130253.netvigator.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:32] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [21:33] bad song? [21:33] it will happen with any song [21:33] is it cyndi lauper by chance? [21:34] no, it is not [21:34] actually, sometimes mpg123 does it as well, but that's much more rare.. mpg123 is maybe once every few days, audacious is as often as every hour [21:34] milli vanilli? [21:34] nope [21:34] stream, local filesystem, or over nfs? [21:34] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [21:35] goj (~goj@p4FE6AFA0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:35] milli vanilli [21:35] that sounsd like such a weird name [21:35] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:35] hanson? [21:35] du bop [21:35] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [21:35] duuuu bop a doobi doobi duuu bop [21:35] alphageek: local filesystem [21:35] mancha: no [21:35] elderK (~7deeff81@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk) joined ##slackware. [21:36] Guys, [21:36] the aforementioned have been known to stop players, break glass, and cause basset hounds to bark incessantly [21:36] alphageek, installing slackware on a virtual box won't work hmm? [21:36] What would stop my C-A-Fn keys switching to VTs from within X? [21:36] The Xorg.conf doesn't have any flags set that would disable it... [21:36] It /was/ bitching about xkbrules not being found, perhaps that isthe problem? [21:37] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [21:37] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@97.103.10.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:37] slackin kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: slackin, you've been warned *repeatedly* about that spambot, er, pugbot shit. [21:37] C-A-Bksp still works, still kills X. [21:39] v4nelle (~van@79.107.196.122) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:43] keenken: it should [21:43] I installed slack in qemu at one point just to see if I could. worked fine [21:46] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:47] not a distro specific issue, either :/ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/audacious/+bug/286795 [21:47] elderK (~7deeff81@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk) left irc: Quit: Page closed [21:49] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) joined ##slackware. [21:50] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [21:51] alphageek, i have two cds called 13.0-install-d2 & d1.iso [21:51] in a virtual machine, how would i switch them from one another [21:52] depends on the vm software [21:52] virtualbox ose [21:52] hit the docs, I suppose. I've never used virtualbox [21:52] dimm0k (~dimm0k@pool-98-113-53-189.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [21:53] hmmmm, what's that raela? [21:53] hey guys [21:54] Necos: sound will randomly stop in a variety of music players [21:54] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-185-76.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] looks like it's alsa-related [21:54] say is anyone running a x64 version of the RC? When I install flash for firefox, it just crashes and disappears and I was wondering if anyone else was having that problem too? [21:54] I see reports for audacious, amarok, some movie player, and I've had it in xmms and mpg123 [21:54] is upgrading from slackware 13.0 to -current as easy as upgrading from version to version? [21:55] i just upgraded to 13.1 beta on my laptop last night [21:55] audacious is giving some wierd locale errors tho, so beware [21:56] and yes, it's very easy [21:56] dimm0k: yes, but you do know that current isn't always stable sometimes with some things, it's just the latest version of packs [21:56] hrmm... if you move to -current, how do you know when a package is upgraded/updated? [21:57] have you checked the alsa mailing lists yet raela? [21:57] you check using slackpkg :) [21:57] dimm0k: you read the changelog [21:57] yeah like the guys said, log and slackpkg [21:57] so anyone running the x64 RC version? [21:58] slackpkg update or slackpkg check-updates [21:58] Xgates: yeah, it's just that sometimes things get upgraded so long after... like kde [21:58] i'm on 32bit on the laptop [21:58] dimm0k: by asking that question, you proved not to b ready for -current ;) [21:58] lol BP{k} [21:58] s/b/be/ [21:58] Necos: the one post I found seems a bit.. crazy.. to get around it. Correction. I am using App-->Pulse-->ALSA-->Jack-->ALSA for all non-live-music sound :-) It gets a little complicated sometimes, but the results are very good. [21:59] geez, that's a bit... convoluted :) [21:59] yeah I wouldn't run all of Slack current, maybe just some smaller apps otherwise you might get an unstable system [21:59] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:59] Necos: yeah.. I wonder.. does this affect more people and they just don't listen to music as much as I do, or do they not care? or my systems suck.. bah [21:59] even running KDE current might break KDE [21:59] Xgates: .. uhm .. mixing and matching versions probably lead to a more unstable system that upgrading all to to -current (which really is the e best way) [22:00] yoyoned (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:00] BP{k}: well I mean small apps like just using firefox or gimp, something that won't be such an issue [22:00] raela, i had to switch to xmms from audacious on the laptop because of that sort of instability [22:00] brb [22:00] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Timeout ( 0 Seconds ) [22:00] and now the 2.x audacious is giving me spurious warnings, so i may have to compile it from scratch [22:01] Necos: honestly, I've had lots of problems with both.. I've had the stopping issue with both, and back when I used xmms, it used to randomly switch to loud static. I've had the best luck with mpg123 through playmp3list [22:01] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [22:01] Necos: however, I have to put more effort into making a playlist for that, and I haven't made one with the most recent songs I've gotten yet [22:01] Urchlay: it's fixed now (the problem of slackpkg updagrading itself) but you'll only see that in next slackpkg upgrade. [22:02] weird [22:02] ok so, let me ask that again, anyone running x64 RC? There must be someone, hehe... ;p [22:02] a lot of folks here are probably running it Xgates [22:02] not yet , but probably soon [22:03] Necos, have you messed with any of the visualizations for audacious? i.e. projectM [22:03] Urchlay: The fix is already in 2.81.1, but when upgrading from 2.81->2.81.1 you are still running 2.81 slackpkg. When upgrade from 2.81.1->next-slackpkg the problem will not be there. [22:03] tsccof (~tsccof@201-89-156-38.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:03] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [22:03] well I need to find someone that is and see if the install the latest flash for FF works, because for me FF crashes and disappears with libflashplayer-10.0.45.2.linux-x86_64 [22:03] if the/they.... [22:03] wawowe (wawowe@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-lxukusjzaohuewqo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:04] yoyoned (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:04] MLanden, not yet... [22:04] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [22:05] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:05] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [22:05] wario (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-qrdefarpgqxltnbq) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:06] wario (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-zxmgtqsxqenxpheb) joined ##slackware. [22:06] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [22:06] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@187.114.195.227) joined ##slackware. [22:06] Found a bug in XFce too, Settings - Windows Manager - Style - Wildbush crashes Xfce and throws you out into the console and you can't log back in either until you delete the ~./config/xfce4 direc [22:06] sent that in email... [22:06] you already filed a bug report? [22:07] I just sent in a email to info@ [22:07] after scouring the web for some plugins to test with libvisual,saw that the infinity plugin for xmms had been ported over to audacious [22:07] tsccof (~tsccof@201-89-156-38.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:07] but darn I'd like to be able to use flash in FF, this sucks.... [22:07] :( [22:08] MLanden, got a linky? [22:08] Xgates: roll back if you can then.. heh [22:08] just downgrade the flash plugin then Xgates [22:08] raela: I installed the RC cause I wanted to use, not exactly any rolling back here, hehe [22:08] ahh well.. best of luck with it [22:08] Necos: yeah I thought I tried that already but let me check again [22:08] Necos, I know freshmeat has a listing... http://freshmeat.net/projects/infinity-plugin [22:08] tsccof (~tsccof@201-35-179-140.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:08] thanks [22:09] also, you can always recompile FF by hand using the slackbuild [22:10] MLanden, looks cool as hell :) [22:11] R.I.P. Ronnie James Dio [22:12] for real? [22:12] yeah [22:12] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:12] Necos, shame it's tied to audacious..be cool if it were only depped only on libvisual..but yeah,it's one of the cool ones..:) [22:12] that sucks [22:13] slackytude|evil: you did not know he died? :/ [22:13] not until now [22:14] slackytude|evil: yeah :/ [22:14] i'll check it out after i finish this online exam... bbl :) [22:16] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:18] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-164-126.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [22:18] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [22:21] anyone know where you can find older versions of flash? [22:23] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [22:23] Adobe's website has archives [22:24] edthix (~ed@175.144.229.97) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:24] url? [22:24] from what I read they don't keep flash on it [22:24] edthix (~ed@175.144.229.97) joined ##slackware. [22:26] this is all I can find: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/142/tn_14266.html [22:26] and from the looks of it you have to download every 10 version [22:26] http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/installers/archive/fp10_archive.zip [22:26] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:29] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:30] asdfjkl (~asdfjkl@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: No route to host [22:30] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [22:30] mmlj4 (~jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:31] I'm going to get one of these and start wearing it daily ----> http://www.respro.com/ [22:31] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:32] to much dust and dirt and crap where I live, starting to get some small asthma [22:35] tsccof (~tsccof@201-35-179-140.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:35] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-091-096-111-128.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [22:37] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:37] keenken (keenken@adsl-99-30-144-105.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [22:39] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:39] dimm0k (~dimm0k@pool-98-113-53-189.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:40] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:40] LOL [22:40] just put in the URL of what you want as long as you know the flash version :) [22:40] http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.45.2.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz [22:40] errr [22:40] wrong one hehe [22:40] this one: http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.42.34.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz [22:41] MrHales (~MrHales@12.166.25.238) joined ##slackware. [22:41] buy a hepa filter [22:42] those things can really change your life if you're allergic to dust... [22:42] i wonder if there's a mancha filter [22:42] I don't think you can wear a hepa filter while you ride a bike [22:43] no? shucks. [22:44] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:44] crap libflashplayer-10.0.42.34.linux-x86_64 crashes the browser too [22:44] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-164-126.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:44] just get one of these suits instead http://www.magrack.answerstv.com/AnswersTV/AP_Content/AP%20Online%20Health%20and%20medical%20news/f67a78e7c9b841299c1d939a447ef698-8.jpg [22:45] amnesia (~amnesia@c-68-54-184-2.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:45] according to what I thought I read those respro masks have a small hepa filter on them [22:45] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:45] no, you need the bio suit [22:45] the bio suit is quite hot [22:45] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] try Mopp gear [22:46] mission oriented protective posture [22:46] gospch_ (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) joined ##slackware. [22:46] aka: latex.4chan.org [22:46] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:47] ProMASK . rubber boots and charcoal lined heavy nylon overpants and jacket [22:47] and a flexible nylon hood [22:47] but do they come in hot fucsia? [22:47] maybe [22:47] o_0 [22:48] i'm all over that, then dawg! [22:48] i know the promask makes a great bong [22:48] lol [22:48] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [22:48] what impressed me about the respro is they designed this one the FB-1 with a Fire Service in the UK I guess a fire unit [22:49] http://www.respro.com/products/industrial/fire-services/fb1_mask/ [22:49] back in the army days we had those QRF drills [22:49] protects you from chemical attacks and provides endless enjoyment on the weekends... [22:49] we had to put that shit on in under 3 minutes [22:49] sucked [22:49] if you get shot while wearing one in a chem atack you're fucked, though [22:50] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:50] nah [22:50] it's all hook and loop [22:50] and maybe a zipper [22:50] the respro were the only decent looking masks too I've found cause when I'm out in public I'm wearing it, LOL, then I'm going to have Tshirt that says thanks to cane burning the vog and dust I know have asthma and wear the respro system :) [22:50] LMAO [22:50] and then they have the mark 19 kit [22:50] 2-pan chloride and atropene [22:51] I know people are going to want these where I live to, so many people getting asthma and having breathing problems [22:51] muscle relaxant and nerve agent [22:51] even tho the needle is the size of a 16penny nail [22:51] it's worthy [22:51] ..opponent [22:51] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:52] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:53] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:53] |Slacker| (~cris@189.116.175.131) joined ##slackware. [22:53] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:54] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:55] if i ever leave this basement i'm never gonna take off my SARS mask [22:55] lol]\\ [22:55] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:56] In Slack x64 you only need to copy flash to ---> /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/ ?? [22:56] prolly [22:56] I forgot if you need a symlink in your home [22:56] Nick change: gospch_ -> gospch [22:56] I know if I just put it in /usr and run about:plugins it shows up [22:57] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [22:57] loafmeat (~flautar@cpe-67-49-158-170.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:58] is there a way [22:59] to upgrade slack 13.0 to slack 13.0 64? [22:59] :x [22:59] crap I've tried 3 different versions of flash and all of them crash [22:59] errrrr [22:59] TehRabbitt-1 (~root@ool-43518567.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [22:59] since it was brought up [22:59] anywho [22:59] hi guys, still no luck with KDE sadly :( [22:59] tehrabbitt [22:59] wuts wrong [22:59] ? [23:00] kde and slackware should be pretty much straight forward [23:00] considering it's shipped stock [23:00] bigpaws (~bigpaws@clsm-66-33-234-201-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:04] ok I've tried the latest 3 versions of flash and all of them crash firefox, so I really need to know if anyone here is running the x64 RC who can help> [23:04] ? [23:04] i got flash and firefox to work [23:04] unfortunately [23:04] no sound [23:04] haha [23:04] gay shit [23:05] hmm your using the x64 RC? [23:05] one of the boxens i have [23:05] is [23:05] amd athlon 64 [23:05] what version of flash you using and where did you install it? [23:05] the latest [23:05] adobe [23:06] i just followed the instructions plastered all over the internet [23:06] I tried the last 3 ones and installed it in /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins [23:06] i got video just no sound [23:06] yea [23:06] Do you have any other programs running that might have the sound locked? [23:07] nah [23:07] i don't use slackare as desktop [23:07] i use it as a thinclient [23:07] so I use the ESD daemon for sound [23:07] strange that you got flash going and I can't [23:07] over netboot [23:08] i can use xmms to play mp3s, however can't get the flash/sound to work [23:08] not really a concern [23:08] i install flash only to verify that my flashblock plugin works well. [23:08] I mean there isn't anything to it and I've never known that anything can cause it a problem, pretty self reliant [23:08] xgates [23:08] all i did is basically what u did [23:08] maybe it's a system thing [23:08] or a kernel thing [23:08] i compile custom kernels [23:08] without flash you can't watch hulu [23:08] to fit my system [23:08] i dunno if u do [23:09] or what [23:09] i never really looked into it [23:09] well x64 is x64 I'm on a laptop but that shouldn't have any affect on flash [23:09] no idea man [23:09] flash doesn't require anything that's what's weird [23:10] I'll run FF from the term and see what it says if anything [23:13] ViN86 (~ViN86@SYDNEYPACIFIC-SEVEN-THIRTY-EIGHT.MIT.EDU) joined ##slackware. [23:13] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:16] ok here's what I got: [23:16] /usr/lib64/firefox-3.6.3/run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 12080 Segmentation fault "$prog" ${1+"$@"} [23:16] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [23:17] amnesia (~amnesia@c-68-54-184-2.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: BitchX: the IRC client with hair on it's balls [23:17] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:21] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-185-76.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:28] keenken (~keenken@adsl-99-30-144-105.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:28] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-185-76.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:28] Witukind (~Witukind@ANancy-157-1-62-102.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [23:29] Witukind (Witukind@ANancy-157-1-62-102.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware. 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[23:39] psYcker (~psYcker@201.164.196.181) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:40] anyone wanna help me with a KDE issue? [23:40] Maybe if you said what the error was [23:40] wait wait! it's coming to me now [23:40] error setting MTRR (base = 0x98000000, size = 0x02000000, type = 1) Inappropriate ioctl for device (25) [23:41] inconnu (1000@69-165-217-79.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [23:41] TehRabbitt-1: How did you upgrade? Did you remove the removed packages as well as upgrade existing and add new? [23:42] If you only upgraded packages you're probably going to have a really fun time [23:43] antiwire: yes, I ran the slackpkg upgrade after setting a -current server, then I ran slackpkg update followed by slackpkg clean-system [23:43] what about install-new? [23:43] haven't tried that... [23:44] 0_o aight i'm gonna let that run lol [23:44] ... [23:45] I've never upgraded before... last night I wanted to use a USB install on this machine but the USB image was the 64bit one :-\ [23:45] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.82.48) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:45] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [23:45] so couldn't use it so I had to install 13.0 first, then upgrade... but apparently I missed slackpkg install-new [23:46] HEY [23:46] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.27.176) joined ##slackware. [23:46] anyone know the ftp server for dling slackware? [23:46] there are tons of mirrors dude [23:46] i'm noober [23:47] so? [23:47] so can you post link to them? [23:47] no [23:47] please? [23:47] no [23:47] ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [23:47] fuck you [23:47] whoa dude [23:47] i've been tryign to get slackware on my machine all fucking day [23:47] just use google [23:48] keenken: go to slackware.com and see the fucking mirrors yourself, dumb ass [23:48] i don't know what any of this means though [23:48] then fuck right off [23:48] Do you know what a URL looks like? [23:48] uniform resource locator [23:48] locater * [23:49] Do you know where you put URLs in your AOL window? [23:49] stfu [23:49] don't encourage him [23:49] sheesh [23:49] Seriously, I'm trying to help. [23:49] oh wow [23:50] You know what a URL is and if you can figure out where to put a URL in your AOL window you can probably figure out where to download Slackware from based on the clues we've given you. [23:50] trying all day to download an iso? time to give up [23:50] I think we did pretty good. [23:51] Since you are already on IRC I am also pretty darn confident you know how to find a Slackware download site. [23:51] i have isos [23:52] antiwire....\m/ B-) \m/ [23:52] i just want the ftp server to dl the files [23:52] wow, nvm [23:52] go away, troll [23:52] ftp.slackware.com [23:52] keenken is not too keen [23:52] duh [23:53] Action: alphageek wonders if he's wandered into #debian by mistake [23:53] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:53] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:53] give the noob a break, ffs [23:54] any good browsers to use besides ff that are in Slack? [23:54] TehRabbitt-1 (~root@ool-43518567.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:54] Xgates: lynx [23:54] I'm encouraging him and giving him helpful hints [23:54] it's cool [23:54] GUI [23:54] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) joined ##slackware. [23:54] Xgates: lynx -g [23:54] Xgates: links [23:54] Xgates: konq [23:54] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:54] is that THE alphageek ? [23:54] hehe [23:54] Action: alphageek bows [23:54] remember Muwah? [23:54] LOL [23:55] oddly enough, no [23:55] what [23:55] lol [23:55] Action: Xgates bangs head [23:55] gee I've only been on Freenode since it started but not here every day [23:55] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:55] Slackcare ring any bells [23:56] sheesh I can't believe this guy [23:56] LOK [23:56] LOL [23:56] you ok? do you need a glass of water? [23:56] :) [23:56] contrary to popular belief, I do have something that vaguely resembles a life. sorta [23:56] me too I haven't been on IRC for many years [23:57] lives are overrated in my experience [23:57] i'd like a car analogy please. [23:58] troy (~troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [23:58] evening folks [23:58] like sand through a carbureator, these are the days of our lives? [23:58] hahah [23:59] wawowe (wawowe@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rmcjlrmhbftpbtxt) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Mon May 17 2010