[00:00] how do i open dolphin? [00:00] Benjsh__, kde menu [00:00] Benjsh__: Click the KDE icon in the bottom left corner and click File Manager [00:00] if i right click on the desktop before i could make a new shortcut but now all i see is Run command, add widgets, addpanel, lock widgets, apperance settings, lock screen,leave [00:00] why is compiling a newer kernel "unsupported? [00:01] thrice`, that's what caused me to ask the question [00:03] fewar [00:03] fear [00:04] mmm, Jennifer Aniston talking with Conan; she's got legs upto here. [00:04] if someone defines support as IRC, that's correct, but we'd tell them the same thing. "want 3D? compile a kernel" [00:04] 0mg the whole kanye thing is hilarious, the comment someone made about it [00:05] he's an idiot [00:05] "hey dude, sorry to interrupt your funeral, but michael jackson had like the best funeral ever. just sayin'..." [00:05] I'd hit it [00:05] but something must be very wrong with her. probably real clingy [00:05] why? [00:06] why do you say clingy? [00:06] http://cdn.tru.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/yo-terrorists.jpg TwinReverb [00:06] best one ever [00:06] she cant hold down a relationship, everybody bails on her after a couple of months [00:06] oh [00:06] heh, that is a good one [00:06] 0mg that is so wrong on so many levels LOLLERSKATES [00:06] well, you seen alittle more invested in her private life than me :) [00:06] lol [00:07] heh, i need something to read when i take a shit and my wife leaves her US magazines lying around =) [00:07] haha [00:07] SiegeX: that's better than my wife and her cosmo :\ [00:07] lol ok; i'll accept that [00:07] "been waitin' at the doctor's office recently?" 8-D [00:08] I CANT NOT READ IT [00:08] SiegeX, what is US? [00:08] haha [00:08] so you're both cosmopolitan men? or is that metrosaxuals? [00:08] trash magazine [00:08] US magazine [00:08] lol [00:08] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [00:08] lol [00:08] heh [00:08] oh man, I am sorry I went to that site [00:08] lol [00:08] lol [00:09] when i was a child, my mom got the Spanish language Cosmo; i remember the racy pics they used to publish [00:09] haha [00:09] i should put slackbook on my ipod touch and read that while shitting [00:10] i dunno about that. is it even up to speed yet? i know alan hicks was busy for a while (not his fault) [00:10] lee555J5_ (n=irchon@71.91.2.18) joined ##slackware. [00:10] TwinReverb: i think it covers the basics [00:11] and speaking of shitting [00:11] brb [00:11] ew [00:11] TMI [00:11] I do have to admit that sometimes when I am reading the news at I start clicking on all the stories on the right side. I thinks its called the daily femail or something [00:11] lol [00:11] following your wife's bookmarks? [00:11] no, it is like [00:11] kate moss and some other chick cought getting high on a yacht [00:11] stuff like that [00:12] lee555J5_ (n=irchon@71.91.2.18) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:12] on dailymail.co.uk [00:12] or so and so is looking hot in the new mini [00:12] yea your wife's bmarks :) [00:14] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:14] lol, she is not allowed on my computer [00:14] i got her one of her own [00:14] then why are you on hers? [00:14] :D [00:14] we see through your veneer [00:14] thin crappy cheese clothe [00:14] becuase thats where all the good bookmarks are! [00:14] lol [00:15] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [00:17] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.153.201.107.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:17] hmm bmarks i'm surprised someone didn't totally clown on that statement [00:17] Slackwiki seems disjointed [00:17] so many words that begin with b [00:18] sort the pages [00:18] manwilly [00:18] bakednoodle (n=bakednoo@207.233.110.67) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?" [00:18] heh [00:19] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:19] has anyone had any real problems with using ext4 yet? [00:19] in reverse [00:19] http://www.phillyd.tv/wp-content/uploads/lulz.jpg [00:19] 12.2 logs say its still not ready for prime time [00:20] AHAHAHAHA [00:20] blackorca: i'm using ext4 for my / drive and my /home drive, and it seems to work perfectly [00:20] Quiznos, i'm using it and so far i don't see much. what do you mean, "12.2 logs" ? [00:20] Action: TwinReverb uses it for everything right now [00:21] yeah, me too [00:21] Quiznos, yeah, but that's 12.2, ext4 seems to be the default selection on 13.0, so I don't know what changed [00:21] read a changelog [00:21] ext4 support wasn't in stock 12.2 that i remember [00:21] lol [00:21] chk google for probs [00:21] ext4 was only put in the kernel in 2.6.x iirc [00:21] nullify_ (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:21] TwinReverb patwritings [00:21] pplwritings too [00:22] ah the holy writings [00:22] e3 is good enough for me [00:22] heh [00:22] lolol [00:22] I've pulled the plug on my machine with ext4 and some files up and everything came back perfectly fine, so I don't know, seems to work for me [00:22] s/pat/bob/g [00:24] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:24] I used xfce for a few days but decided that I like the cube desktop changer too much so I went back to kde [00:24] some suspicious things happened on ext4 but i cannot prove that ext4 is to blame [00:24] Oh, check out this local posting of a car. what this dude wrote is hilarious. http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=443&sid=&tab=list/view&ad=1586459 [00:24] one, i lost all the mp3s in a directory (but i think i accidentally deleted them in the past) [00:24] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Nick collision from services. [00:24] now I am about to shoot this slow piece of crap [00:24] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:24] TwinReverb, such as? [00:25] two, ext4 seems to hate root being encrypted but i'm not sure if that's slackware/ext4/cryptvg or my imagination [00:25] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:25] but as i said, i have no proof so don't quote me [00:25] three, a couple files don't play on audacious (but play fine in amarok) so i don't know if that's an mp3 tag issue or my imagination (or audacious being silly) [00:25] is a ncurses menu a gui? [00:25] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.17.249) left irc: "Leaving" [00:26] like i said, i doubt any of these are ext4's fault because i think there are other sources for these faults [00:26] i highly doubt FS developers would ever mark a FS as stable that had stability issues to be honest [00:26] hahaha [00:26] i'm using ext4 happily [00:26] TwinReverb, why do you use audacious? (just curious) [00:26] any of these could also be inadvertent PEBKAC [00:26] "It wasn't meant to transport you to yoga class or Linens & Things. No, that is what your Prius is for." [00:27] i just like how minimal it is [00:27] as opposed to XMMS [00:27] lmao!! [00:27] xmms is ugly, old, and has fewer features [00:27] i'd rather use amaroK as an alternative to audacious [00:27] I don't know, I've always found audacious to be a lot slower than XMMS.. loading playlists, whatever [00:27] Lalloso (n=h4x0r@62.123.95.200) left irc: SendQ exceeded [00:28] well i have a core 2 duo 1.6GHz so i don't really notice the difference between audacious and xmms [00:28] holy crap; xargs dumpd [00:28] xmms might be faster, but audacious has more features so that could be part of the reason [00:29] TwinReverb, oh yeah, and when I try to skip to a different section of the song with audacious, it fucks up [00:29] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [00:29] blackorca, i experience that but i am not sure if that is a tag issue [00:29] TwinReverb, it doesn't move the bar directly to the spot I want, it takes like a second [00:30] when i looked at the mp3 file tag in audacious, there was no info [00:30] in amaroK there was tag info [00:30] i don't feel like troubleshooting it though, to be honest. [00:30] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:31] i have only suspicions and no time / facts [00:31] TwinReverb, I just tried it with some ogg files and it doesn't do what I described above.. it just freezes for 1/4 - 1/2 second [00:31] k [00:32] audacious does look better though :P [00:32] nullify (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:34] anyone know how to install openoffice 3.1 and integrate to kde 4 on slackware 13.0 ? [00:36] integrate? shouldn't need to integrate it [00:37] it's called install it (see rworkman's website, google "rworkman") and then when you install, right click and select the program you want to use to open it [00:38] welanx1 (n=welanx@74-44-49-80.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:39] TwinReverb, if xmms2/mpd had a XMMS/winamp style client, I'd switch in an instant probably [00:40] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [00:40] i can't make you one [00:41] neither can I [00:45] geno_ (n=geno@125-236-157-91.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:45] HaikuGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [00:48] Wurm (n=celestia@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [00:48] http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/11/6/th_128704941656706389.jpg lol [00:48] How would I go about testing if my built in webcam works in Slackware 13? [00:49] Wurm, what is it? [00:49] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:49] (there's www.linuxquestions.org click HCL and go look for it) [00:49] john_dee (n=id@93-81-143-219.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [00:49] Action: quasar belches. [00:49] toofer (n=toofer@c-71-199-13-151.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:50] TwinReverb: I have no idea what it is exactly :\. [00:50] Wurm, then you find out by testing i guess [00:50] i updated the flash plugin via sbopkg and i'm still showing version r22 in firefox. anyone else having this? [00:51] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:51] TwinReverb: How would I test it though? I'm a Linux Newb xD. [00:51] Wurm, plug it in and install skype and see if it gets detected [00:51] to find out what it is, simply do dmesg | tail after you plug it in [00:51] (give it like 1 minute) [00:51] It's built in. [00:51] xD. [00:51] there's also "lsusb" which should show you all USB devices you have [00:51] ok, "lsusb" and see if it is listed [00:52] or dmesg | grep Cam [00:52] or dmesg | less and hunt through it [00:52] or search your laptop model [00:52] (on google) [00:52] [in bed] [00:53] Action: TwinReverb stabs quasar [00:53] welanx (n=welanx@74-44-49-80.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:53] [in bed] [00:53] will nuking /tmp/SBo break anything with sbopkg? [00:53] It found it. [00:53] UVC 1.00 device BisonCam. [00:54] I assume that's it. [00:54] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: "just to eat" [00:54] Action: TwinReverb cuts quasar in little pieces [00:54] [in bed] [00:54] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [00:54] rage quit [00:54] I played WoW tonight.. and it's all fire|bird's fault :\ [00:55] quasar: Evil, evil WoW. [00:55] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [00:55] amazon10x, I have done it before with no ill effects [00:55] that I know of [00:55] diven: just did it; hopefully nothing breaks. it fixed my flash update problem at least [00:55] toofer (n=toofer@c-71-199-13-151.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [00:55] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-179-4.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:56] I think it just builds the packages in there [00:56] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:56] HaikuGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: "Vision[0.9.7-H-090826]: i've been blurred!" [00:56] y0 slackers....How's everyone? [00:56] bored [00:56] doing alright. thought of a cool new project. you? [00:56] Camarade1Tux (n=adrien@adsl.via.ecp.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:57] just relaxin',amazon10x thanks [00:57] I am getting tired [00:57] MLanden: I'm trying to figure this whole Slackware stuff out. [00:57] what distro are you coming from? if you dont mind my asking [00:57] If Osmosis really worked, I'd sleep with the Slackware DVD under my pillow [00:57] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [00:58] give it time,wurm [00:59] quasar: Well, at least you had something to do. :P [00:59] Kamel- (n=1@68-242-58-32.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [00:59] /tmp/SBo is actually a SlackBuild directory - it isn't special to sbopkg. And, yeah, that's where tarballs are unpacked and where the finished packages are tarred up [00:59] or tarred from, I should say [01:00] Tar and feather 'em! [01:00] CmdLnKid (n=xclkx@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: "Command not found." [01:00] fire|bird: no, I didn't.. that's why I played WoW -_- [01:00] then x their z's [01:01] quasar: lol [01:01] crap already midnight [01:02] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:03] How's it going MLanden? [01:03] not too bad,fire|bird and yourself? [01:03] doin great, thanks. :) [01:05] zeether1011 (n=ke@96.247.7.157) joined ##slackware. [01:08] isilzha (n=isilzha@office.osgdc.org) joined ##slackware. [01:08] Camarade_Tux (n=adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:08] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [01:13] hi. i have an issue involving kde 4.x and dbus: http://dpaste.com/94184/ sorry for the paste. it's quite long and i wanted to avoid it being cut off (which it was once). any hint to what i could look into is greatly appreciated. [01:14] Wurm (n=celestia@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left ##slackware. [01:14] cybErpunk_davi (i=davi@189.4.69.108) joined ##slackware. [01:15] isilzha: are you using slackware 13 or 12.2? [01:15] what made you think this was a good place to ask gentoo questions? [01:15] Kamel (n=1@173-132-68-21.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:15] Nick change: Kamel- -> Kamel [01:16] zeether101 (n=ke@pool-96-251-192-31.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:17] duh, gentoo is based on slackware! [01:17] zeether1011 (n=ke@96.247.7.157) left ##slackware. [01:17] quasar: but, gentoo != slackware :P [01:18] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.185) joined ##slackware. [01:18] gentoo = w95 [01:18] MLanden, manch: someone in #linux told me you might have an idea where this might come from. i'm not hoping to get any solution from here. just an idea what might have gone wrong. i tried all the other, more obvious, channels before (and, naturally, google) but somehow nobody had any idea. other than the one mentioned in the paste [01:19] isilzha: You do know that gentoo has it's own channel, right? [01:19] (about alsa-headers) [01:20] guys i invited her here bc you folks know the subject of her problem. [01:20] fire|bird: yes. i tried there. and in #kde and #dbus. several times. if you feel this is too much off topic and i'm wasting your time: my humble apologies [01:20] isilzha, seems like these apps are dying [01:20] yes. but i have no hunch as to why they do this [01:20] isilzha, the gentoo forums is usually pretty helpful [01:20] at least it used to be [01:21] the dbus error message might only be symptomatic. doe the apps die before the timestamp of dbus? [01:21] slacks (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) joined ##slackware. [01:21] But with gentoo, isn't dbus handles by that distro's init.d...something i'm not about to tackle [01:21] slacks (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:21] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) left irc: "Leaving" [01:22] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) joined ##slackware. [01:22] can you open up any form of console to type commands (given that konsole doesnt work)? [01:22] ##slackware: for when you need to consult the *real* experts ;) [01:22] j/k [01:22] mancha: isilzha mentions in the paste that kde 3.x is also present, some type of conflict? [01:22] blackorca: haha [01:23] MLanden: yes, /etc/init.d/dbus. but as mancha suggested i doubt dbus is the actual issue. [01:23] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [01:23] isilzha: You're not wasting my time, no need to apologize. :) [01:23] mancha: yes xterm works [01:24] isilzha: In your home folder, do you have just one .kde that both kde 3.x and 4.x use? [01:24] okay, what does "strace konsole" show if typed on xterm [01:25] mancha: i'll have to install that first. give me a few minutes please [01:26] hmm any part of strace you're interested in? or the full output? [01:26] paste it all if it's not starting up i don't fear a very long trace [01:26] isilzha: If you can, paste the full output. [01:26] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [01:26] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [01:27] fire, at this point i have no clue, hopefully will have more of a clue after looking at the trace i asked for [01:27] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-179-4.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:27] mancha: yeah. I am just guessing for the most part. I have never worked with a system that has both kde 3.x and 4.x I'm curious as to how ~/.kde is handled. [01:28] are there two kde's or merely older kde3-compat apps? [01:28] So, I'd mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.bak and try kde4 and see if that helps, if nothing else, it can be moved back. [01:28] mancha: I took the paste as there being kde 3.x also present, not just compats. [01:29] isilzha: can you confirm either way? [01:29] http://pastebin.com/m2ec67c63 [01:29] so pretty much: write(2, "(23840)/: C"..., 218(23840)/: Communication problem with  "konsole" , it probably crashed. Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" " [01:29] seems like its a 64bit lib issue [01:30] fire|bird: .kde is a symlink [01:30] a symlink to what? [01:30] .kde4 [01:30] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:30] cybErpunk (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:30] isilzha: So, in home, you have a .kde and .kde4? [01:31] can you symlink something to itself so that it creates an infinite loop? [01:31] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-179-4.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:31] Reticenti: what would that do? :P [01:31] .kde/ .kde3.5/ .kde4 [01:31] wb MLanden [01:31] fire|bird: that [01:31] n/m that comment [01:31] fire|bird: that's not the question :P [01:31] thanks.fire|bird....glitchy ethernet cable,OUCH...lol [01:31] MLanden: haha, I know the feeling. :P [01:32] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [01:32] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:32] Tidus (n=nobody@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [01:34] the older kde is 3.5.10 and should be still pretty complete. i plan to remove it for quite a while now. the initial idea was to keep it in case any kde 4.x app breaks. [01:34] Reticenti, $ ls -l filelink [01:34] lrwxrwxrwx 1 blackorca users 8 2009-09-16 01:33 filelink -> filelink [01:34] i created a new user and started kde 4.x apps with it. it didn't make a difference [01:34] therefore i doubt the config is an issue [01:35] Reticenti, try to cd into it and it complains "Too many levels of symbolic links"... try to edit it with vi and it complains: "Symlink loop for filelink" :) [01:36] Reticenti, the command 'file' says: filelink: symbolic link in a loop [01:38] mancha: Well, doing a little research, that issue could even be caused by xine-lib :P or, I'm sure it could be some other thing too, but xine-lib is one thing I see. [01:38] isilzha, ok, i am now back to suspecting that there's a problem between these apps and dbus [01:39] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:40] blackorca: that's too underwhelming [01:40] i was hoping for the space-time continium to break or something [01:40] maybe something worth mentioning is that i don't use kde on itself. i use kdm and several kde apps. but my wm is fvwm. [01:41] Reticenti, haha [01:41] that same day i recompiled my alsa-headers i upgraded fvwm too. i'm a bit uncertain whether that might have caused any trouble. i downgraded it again to check but the damage might have been otherwise [01:41] Action: fhobia just failed to use ratpoison [01:42] old version of fvwm was 2.5.18-r1 new version 2.5.27 [01:43] isilzha, the config is complex enough that it'll take some wor to debug. i am out of "easy" ideas. sorry & good luck. [01:44] -r1 sounds like a gentoo version [01:44] it is [01:46] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:46] this is what i compiled the day it started to fail: http://pastebin.com/m377da39c maybe there is something other than alsa-headers that might have led to trouble? [01:48] isilzha: what is skk-jisyo-200705? [01:48] mancha: thanks anyway for trying [01:49] "Jisyo (dictionary) files for the SKK Japanese-input software" [01:51] did you always use that setup? fvwm to manage windows and kde apps? with kdm to login? [01:52] yes. i used it for more than a year now. probably longer [01:52] i see you just installed fvwm...what did you use before? [01:52] i upgraded it [01:52] try downgrading [01:52] i did [01:52] didn't change anything [01:53] i'm looking at the paste you gave,isilzha .. with gnuconfig being upgraded,were there any other complications? [01:53] i take it you reversed all those installs and your problem remains. meaning if caused by that process the damage is done. [01:54] plop. [01:54] fizz? [01:55] y0 Rat409, how's it going? [01:55] mancha: not all of these. only fvwm actually. it indeed might be a good idea to downgrade the others too. [01:55] MLanden: none that i'm aware of [01:55] good thanks ,yourself? [01:55] antiwire: How'd the job go? [01:55] Rat409: great, thanks. :) [01:56] fire|bird: I'm not so sure actually. There were no problems but...not so sure. [01:56] antiwire: heh, well, at least you made it through the first day. :P [01:56] yeah [01:57] try downgrading them all (checking for the problem) after each one [01:57] k [01:58] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Will the REAL Slim BitchX please stand up?" [01:59] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:59] isilzha: good luck on finding your solution [02:00] whats the problem? [02:00] Rat409: http://dpaste.com/94184/ [02:00] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:00] looking,thanks [02:01] CcSsNET (n=user@c-71-232-196-119.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:01] and strace of konsole: http://pastebin.com/m2ec67c63 [02:03] k [02:03] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:03] Camarade1Tux (n=adrien@adsl.via.ecp.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:04] Camarade_Tux (n=adrien@81.56.71.56) joined ##slackware. [02:04] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@adsl.via.ecp.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:06] does he have kde4 working,but broken using fvwm?,konsole,etc? [02:06] s/he/she/ ;) [02:06] sorry,yuh [02:08] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:09] Nick change: MLanden -> Peppermint_Patty [02:09] right,fire|bird [02:09] haha [02:09] Nick change: Peppermint_Patty -> MLanden [02:09] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD89D23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:10] Yes,sir...:D [02:10] y0 slackytude [02:11] Rat409: How I understand is that all was working well up until this batch of updates: http://pastebin.com/m377da39c kde 3.x works fine, etc. but kde 4.x does not. [02:11] and a full or selective install? i'm thinking that maybe kdm>fvwm> isn't starting kded4?. i use startx and think i needed dbus --launch kded4 & to start kde4 services which starts dbus [02:11] Rat409: she's on gentoo [02:12] fvwm.desktop probly doesn't include that [02:12] i had to google [02:12] slackytude|evil (n=hotline@p4FD89D23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:12] its a kde4 thing not distro thing [02:12] morning [02:12] slackytude|evil: y0, how's it going? [02:12] mornin',slackytude|evil [02:13] i cat'd my xinitrc and thats what i added [02:13] y0 fire|bird, doing fine although I just got to work. how about you? [02:13] worth a try [02:13] y0 MLanden, no lap today? [02:13] slackytude|evil: doing great, thanks. [02:13] not at the moment..haven't decided what more to put on it yet [02:14] try it using that in ~/.xinitrc and startx if it works,fvwm.desktop isn't starting it [02:14] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:14] kdm uses the .desktop file doesn't it? [02:15] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-44-91.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:15] slackytude|evil: There's a new opera build (with unite) and they ask opera users to keep the new unite service, Sonar, running to really test their servers. [02:15] i had same error/prob iirc [02:15] Okay, so what are the differences between Unison and rsync? [02:15] they look really similar [02:15] using pekwm [02:15] fire|bird, oy [02:15] fire|bird, whats sonar? [02:15] slackytude|evil: A service for Unite they made now to test the servers. [02:16] keeps a load on the servers at all times [02:16] Zamboli (n=Obi-Wan@75-93-7-5.eug.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [02:16] oh [02:16] what's Unite? =) [02:16] whats unite? like a dropbox thing? [02:16] slackytude|evil: and, the next opera release will have it included. (v. 10.10) [02:17] or bkmrks/mail syncher? [02:17] unite is a opera thing [02:17] builtin wep hosting and apps [02:17] slava_dp: Rat409, A service in Opera 10. It's a way to host photos, music, web pages, a chatroom, etc. from opera, and from your own pc. [02:17] A query: I have wifi running WPA, periodically my connection drops. iw and ifconfig look fine, if i restart i resume my connection. is there somehow i can reset my connection without rebooting, or fix it? [02:17] oh cool [02:17] think fireforx extensions for hosting [02:17] WPA2, actually [02:17] fire|bird, cooliris is nice [02:17] slackytude|evil: Yeah, it's a really neat addon [02:17] Zamboli, /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 wlan0_restart [02:18] i'll give that a shot next time i go down, thanks [02:18] have y'all upgraded to firefox 3.5.3 yet? any problems? [02:19] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [02:19] ktnx, unite, i'm not using you. and not any social thingie they come up with. (i'm not even using opera :/ ) [02:19] MLanden: I have, no issues. [02:19] none here [02:19] nor here [02:19] just upgraded on both lap and just now on here so was just askin' [02:20] slava_dp: haha, it's basically just a way to host stuff (file|photo|web server) combined. No social networking involved in that sense. [02:20] Zamboli, depends on the way you have your wifi configured. if you start it via system scripts, the above will work (unless your adapter is not wlan0). if you use wicd, it should be automagical. [02:21] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:21] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [02:21] inman (n=aligp@p579B501B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:21] fire|bird, i'd better bring up my ftp =) old skool zee best [02:21] ...grabbing the Opera slackbuilds, since this chan is talking about it [02:21] might as well check it out [02:22] i found new wicd icons fwiw http://www.deviantart.com/download/137177349/Wicd_Icon_Set_by_Citeron.zip [02:22] slava_dp: whatever works. :) fwiw, unite.opera.com :) [02:22] i like them. [02:22] slava_dp, i do not know this wicd [02:22] they're like neon-blue kinda [02:22] i am a newb, i just through the wpa supplicant command in my local.rc [02:22] Zamboli: wicd is a gui app to manage wired and wireless networks. [02:23] rc.local? [02:23] It's rc.local, and you shouldn't need to edit that at all for wired or wirless networking. [02:23] Rat409: where do you put these? [02:24] Rat409: cool....be good with flux's midnight theme [02:24] Zamboli, in /extra. try it. [02:24] is there any problem with running the wpa_supplicant command from rc.local? [02:24] i imagine /usr/share/wicd/icons [02:24] I use to be a big Opera guy...reason I switched to Firefox was for a plugin called "Rikaichan" [02:24] i just grabbed them myself [02:24] slackpkg install wicd :) [02:24] Opera didnt have that [02:24] heh [02:24] what are the window managers that can do that fancy paints transparent windows trick ? [02:24] nod, wicd is in extras [02:25] redtricycle: what does Rikaichan do? [02:25] s/paints/pants/ [02:25] fhobia: Xfce can do it, it's called "Compositing" [02:25] Rat409: dbus-launch kded4 would do the same, right? [02:25] as can fluxbox, etc. [02:25] fire|bird: You mouse-over japanese characters, and it pops up a translation [02:25] i recall Xfce doing it not well [02:25] Zamboli: Xfce does it just dandy [02:25] redtricycle: Ah, ok. :P Nothing I'd ever use. [02:25] I turn it off, though [02:25] does it? [02:25] --dbus-launch-kde4d & in another tty yes [02:25] fire|bird: "he", actually. sorry for missing to clarify that earlier ;) [02:25] or xterm,urxvt etc. [02:26] isilzha: :), ok. sorry about that. [02:26] MLanden: thanks. i'll see what the downgrades will do [02:26] i use WindowMaker [02:26] pekwm is really nice [02:26] xfce 4ever [02:26] isilzha: hopefully,it's not one of their bugs [02:26] xcompmgr for this types of wm's [02:26] ah... [02:26] Opera needs a "Vimperator" type plugin [02:26] s/this/those/ [02:26] I can't live w/o Vimperator now [02:27] redtricycle: You can set opera to work like vimperator [02:27] isilzha: sorry typo your right [02:27] I've posted that link here a few times [02:27] Ah, could you post it one more time? [02:27] I just joined [02:27] WM looks quite different than pekwm [02:27] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:27] redtricycle: sure, sec. :P [02:27] but WM is supposed to get an overhaul one of these years [02:27] Ekc_ (n=Ekc@78.128.55.9) joined ##slackware. [02:27] Opera feels faster -- does it dump the text onscreen before images? is that why? [02:28] windowmaker is so dated [02:28] works for me [02:28] Zamboli, so windowmaker isn't dead? [02:28] redtricycle: somethign like that [02:28] it comes with a full slackware install [02:28] i.e. "supposed to get an overhaul" [02:29] redtricycle: http://my.opera.com/Blazeix/blog/vimperator-for-opera [02:29] or is it just like E17, where they've been working on it for years to make sure it's perfect? :P [02:29] isilzha (n=isilzha@office.osgdc.org) left irc: "Verlassend" [02:30] Thanks fire|bird [02:30] yw [02:30] it is solid [02:30] i don't know about "perfect" [02:30] i'm not that nerdy [02:30] but it works for me [02:30] Zamboli, I was referring to a new version [02:30] not actively developed,no [02:30] Zamboli, do you know if the original developers are going to start working on it again? [02:31] but WM is supposed to get an overhaul one of these years [02:31] that's what made me think that ^ [02:31] hmm [02:31] that was my impression [02:31] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:31] let me look on their website [02:31] http://www.windowmaker.info/ [02:31] i have an ati radeon 4670 and mplayer loses video/audio sync when i fullscreen. is thise because of bad drivers or something? [02:31] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [02:32] last update was 6.29.08 for WindowMaker [02:32] amazon10x: ATI makes me sad T_T [02:32] pretty recent :-P [02:32] "With that said, we are working very hard to revitalize Window Maker's presence on X Window (and perhaps beyond) desktops. With this new focus, we can now truly assert that Window Maker will be resuming active development very soon. We expect to once again provide the de-facto minimalist yet extremely functional window manager to the world. " [02:32] July, 2008 [02:32] http://www.oit.pdx.edu/~lazan/slackWM.jpg [02:32] my desktop [02:33] What I dont like about xfce desktop [02:33] is that conky disapears [02:33] whenever I click the desktop [02:33] john_dee (n=id@93-81-143-219.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [02:33] -_- [02:33] annoying... [02:33] http://hg.windowmaker.info/wmaker/tags [02:33] Zamboli: good grief, talk about a train wreck. :P [02:33] haha, mean [02:34] the train came right through the window/wall [02:34] I've tried WM several times and it just isn't for me [02:34] ole '97....should know...had to write 'bout in local history in Virginia when I was a kid [02:34] haha [02:34] Ah, now here's a fortune: Never settle with words what you can accomplish with a flame thrower. [02:34] I'm running openbox right now, but if the latest version of blackbox would compile (probably something with 64-bit) I'd be using that [02:35] isilzha (n=isilzha@203.126.159.130) joined ##slackware. [02:35] wb isilzha [02:35] nullify (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:35] fire|bird: thanks. unfortunately no good news yet [02:35] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-44-91.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:36] looks like I'm wrong http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Train_wreck_at_Montparnasse_1895.jpg was the one in Montparnasse,France in 1895 not Danville,Virginia in 1903 [02:37] MLanden: shame on you, getting that wrong. :P [02:37] man, i'm starting to forget linux ...i just keep upgrading slack and nothing seems to really change [02:37] Well, a lot of stuff changes, but it's slack, so stuff just keeps right on working. [02:37] :-) same machine since 10.0 [02:38] Action: MLanden hides his head in shame and goes to the back of the class and starts a fire...>:D [02:38] oh crap, there go the smoke alarms. :P [02:38] so what graphics card should i buy that has great linux support? something under $100 [02:39] I just got a 9800 GTX+ for $120 with a $20 mail in rebate or some shit like that [02:39] Zamboli (n=Obi-Wan@75-93-7-5.eug.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: "And the edge is a fickle hellcat... Lover her, but never trust her, for her heart is full of lye." [02:39] Ekc_ (n=Ekc@78.128.55.9) left ##slackware. [02:39] nvidia, of course [02:39] isn't it best to go with intel ..? [02:39] fhobia, if you'd like open source drivers, probably [02:40] well, thats what i'm going to get next anyway :-) [02:40] needs OSS drivers [02:40] can't be bothered messing with the proprietary ones [02:40] ...i have ati and i still don't have 3d acceleration that works with my weird setup of xinerama and such [02:40] The open source ATi drives are getting there too [02:40] after like 5 years . . . [02:40] well I think the nvidia cards have the nv driver, which is open source [02:40] blackorca: It's 2D only and blows chunks [02:40] bnhashmi (n=bnhashmi@64.208.214.225) left irc: No route to host [02:41] nouveau is getting there. [02:41] well besides intel, what other option does he have? [02:41] nv just locks up my geforce 4 mx compy all the time [02:41] does intel make standalone cards? [02:41] don't believe so, but I don't know for sure [02:41] amazon10x: not for 10 years. They may release Larabee as a discrete card but that's miles away from release at this point. [02:42] bnhashmi (n=bnhashmi@202.174.145.186) joined ##slackware. [02:42] LSD`, I had looked into ati when I was looking to build just recently and so far from my understanding the OSS support isn't even close yet [02:42] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.28.8) joined ##slackware. [02:42] i'm using the OSS driver right now. i can't even get full screen video [02:42] standard definition [02:43] the radeon driver is sure nice on my laptop, all kde4 effects and all. :) [02:43] blackorca: The last major hurdle is 3D on the Radeon HDs afaik. They're closer than nouveau are to being usable across the board. [02:43] I guess some older ati cards might work like fire|bird's [02:43] blackorca: Xpress 200M [02:44] :) [02:44] fire|bird, yeah, the computer downstairs has an integrated xpress in it and it works well [02:44] I haven't tried it on anything newer than R350 so I can't speak for how well it works on stuff newer than that [02:44] lowkyalur (n=low@82.82.67.255) joined ##slackware. [02:44] it's running ubuntu though and I can't remember if it's using the proprietary or open source drivers [02:44] blackorca: yeah, it's great. I'm glad it can run all the effects, etc. [02:45] i have an rv730xt that i'm using it on [02:45] I just wanted something that would run some games (I don't play much, but what I do play, I want it to run) [02:45] i haven't tried the effects [02:45] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@113.11.36.147) joined ##slackware. [02:46] hi all. anybody could help me install fglrx on 13/64? [02:46] amazon10x: I believe they call that a 4670 now :P [02:46] hello, slack-guys [02:46] LSD`, once it's finished, I'll definitely make the switch to ATI [02:47] nullify (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:47] it's hard to imagine being able to recompile a kernel without having to run nvidia-installer again [02:47] lowkyalur: is it ati radeon graphics card? [02:47] or installing slackware and not having to download drivers [02:48] i see that my cpu is at 100% when i full screen a video. shouldn't the processing be offloaded to the video card? [02:49] lowkyalur: can you post lspci | grep display? [02:49] nullify (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:49] I've been runnitn ATi cards for 5-6 years. "Value for money" sits way, way, way above "linux support" in things I look for in hardware and ATi have usually always excelled in that area. nVidia just don't have the balls to risk their high-end sales by releasing midrange cards with teeth. [02:49] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:49] amazon10x: are there any settings in your bios on memory management? [02:50] LSD`, but what's the point in using hardware that's crippled? [02:50] MLanden: not sure. what should i look for? [02:50] lowkyalur: can you post lspci | grep VGA [02:50] amazon10x: what's the specs of your system? [02:50] i'm sure ati is fine for desktops with single head [02:51] blackorca: "crippled" is a relative term. I certainly wouldn't consider teh 4850 I bought 6 months ago to be "crippled" where I have it now [02:51] MLanden: a compaq desktop. single core amd 64-bit processor (running 32 bit slack). i put in an ati radeon 4670 [02:51] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [02:51] amazon10x: which compaq? [02:52] Linux-IRC: mom [02:52] Linux-IRC: lol. i could have told you. it's an x1400 [02:52] nullify_ (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:53] MLanden: it's an sr1950nx i believe [02:53] lowkyalur: X1400 shouldn't need fglrx (fglrx probably doesn't support it anymore anyway), you should be able to use radeon for that [02:53] linux support is the major seller for me [02:53] open source drivers usually seals the deal [02:53] MLanden: see tinyurl.com/owvlhz for specs [02:54] alright [02:54] nullify_ (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:54] LSD`, does the 4850 run on the open source drivers? [02:55] LSD`: the 9.3 still has it. you mean 'radeon'? [02:55] night guys all be well! later [02:55] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:55] blackorca: Not yet, but I don't run Linux on the machine with the 4850 in it so it's no big deal :P [02:55] lowkyalur: ? [02:55] LSD`, ah :P [02:55] lowkyalur: use ubuntu instead of slackware , installing ati x1400 driver is easier there [02:55] High_Priest (n=MMF@nat/ibm/x-lxuughfdwmkrzpjf) joined ##slackware. [02:56] ubuntu will start you off with radeon anyway [02:57] lowkyalur: hello, did you read this?http://www.nodevice.com/driver/company/ATI/page3.html [02:57] Linux-IRC: thank you, no. i could use vista, too - there everything works like a charm. [02:58] amazon10x: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=bph07110&cc=us&lc=en&dlc=en&product=3184153 maybe something in the advanced screen might help [02:58] LSD`, do you know if AMD has anyone in-house working on the os drivers? [02:58] lowkyalur: is it slackware 13 ? [02:59] Linux-IRC: yes, and 64bit. 12.2 works no problem with almost all things on fglrx [03:00] blackorca: No idea, sorry [03:00] Does slack 13 ship with a different (newer) version of the X server than 12.2? [03:00] lowkyalur: how did you install fglrx on slackware 12.2? [03:00] it uses HAL now, so I'd assume so, no? [03:01] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:01] http://pastebin.com/d50ecca5 is the error i get when i do the same as in 12.2, download and run ./ati...9.3...run [03:02] Reason I ask is ATi stopped supporting everything older than the HD (2000, 3000, 4000 series) Radeons in Catalyst 9.3 (on both Windows and Linux). Not a big deal on WIndows because MS don't change the driver ABI every other week, but it's catastrophic on Linux. Your best bet is, as I said before, to forget fglrx and investigate setting up the open source radeon driver [03:02] MLanden: i wouldn't think that any of those options would affect the discrete card [03:03] the issue #1 is that the packaged script is not finding X version [03:04] LSD`, do you know the reason behind why this is? (why the ABI changes so frequently) [03:04] amazon10x: probably not [03:04] blackorca: developers think its fun to screw with proprietay drivers [03:05] haha, I truly hope that's sarcasm [03:05] lowkyalur: it is because of the kernel version , i think [03:05] Linux-IRC: too new? [03:06] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [03:06] lowkyalur: may be, [03:06] blackorca: Only slightly [03:07] Linux-IRC: on 12.2 it didnt complain about the custom name. but you see before the kernel version there should be the Xorg version and it just says '::none' which is a double none. and lib should be lib64, right? [03:07] lowkyalur: Is there anything fglrx offers your X1400 that warrants this kind of effort? o_O [03:08] DirtyHarry (n=DHarry@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) joined ##slackware. [03:08] amazon10x: do you know what the agp memory is on the dedicated card? [03:08] 1GB i think [03:08] yeah, 1G [03:09] DHarry (n=DHarry@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:09] lowkyalur: may be [03:09] LSD`: powersaving, 3D [03:09] basically you have: older fglrx doesn't work with newer X or kernel and newer fglrx doesn't support some older cards [03:09] Asmadeus_ (n=asmadeus@nat/ecp/x-kwcfybpljzproegb) joined ##slackware. [03:09] Camarade1Tux (n=adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:09] lowkyalur: on an old POS like the X1400 you won't be losing much on either front by just using radeon [03:10] so if you have an older ati card on a newer X/kernel you might have to use the open driver or else hack the old module [03:10] thankfully the older ati cards do have open source support [03:10] if nvidia had just dropped support in cases like this, my FX 5500 wouldn't work anymore (it uses the legacy nvidia drivers now) [03:10] is there anything on the open driver that doesn't work for you? [03:11] LSD`: so i will go try get 3d running on radeon ... which usually freezes my machine.... it seems that just the driver is no good for kernel too new [03:11] nullify (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:12] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:12] Camarade_Tux (n=adrien@81.56.71.56) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [03:13] well, it's past 3AM here, so I'm headed out, night all [03:13] blackorca (n=blackorc@174-152-34-93.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:13] thanks for your time anyways. i will be back when radeon gets on my nerves.... [03:13] blackorca: I don't really blame ATi for dropping the support, I just think they went a bit far a bit too early [03:13] damn, he left before I got that finished [03:13] jhw (n=jhw@195.180.9.202) joined ##slackware. [03:13] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [03:15] amazon10x: is Slackware seeing all that memory? [03:15] how do i check [03:16] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [03:16] amazon10x: check dmesg or the xorg's logs [03:16] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:17] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.28.8) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [03:18] oh this is interesting [03:19] pastebin.com/m7f029731 [03:19] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@113.11.36.147) left ##slackware. [03:20] 262meg outta the gig..yeah,your right,amazon10x [03:21] after googling it appears that that means the cpu can access only 262MB, but the gpu can still access all of it [03:22] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:22] 262M still seems like a lot though [03:23] 262M sounds like what firefox uses on my system after it's open 10 minutes [03:24] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-153-96.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:25] corte (n=corte@cpe-024-074-144-179.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:27] has anyone played with turning slack into a live cd/dvd? [03:27] mancha: slax i believe [03:27] i know about, has anyone here played with turning lack into a lie cd/dvd [03:28] lowkyalur (n=low@82.82.67.255) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [03:30] does anyone know of a command line program that lets me chat with yahoo msger or google talk? [03:31] finch (part of pidgin) [03:31] Reticenti: irssi + bitlbee? :P [03:31] hmm [03:31] thanks, i'll look at those two [03:31] amazon10x: x.org's wiki might have some information that might help..good luck [03:32] alright, thanks [03:32] Reticenti: might need to see if they can connect to yahoo's latest servers [03:33] nullify (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [03:33] nullify_ (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:33] i dont think my meta key works [03:36] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-126-30.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:36] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:36] wow, this is really something. toothpick art. http://www.funtasticus.com/2009/09/15/toothpick-city/ <----6 million toothpicks [03:37] flvr (i=0@host-93-182-19-84.real.kvidex.net) joined ##slackware. [03:37] damn,fire|bird, that IS dedication...:P [03:38] yeah, it sure is. [03:38] 170 gallons of glue :P [03:38] that is amazing what he created. [03:39] truly is [03:39] Nick change: Asmadeus_ -> Asmadeus [03:40] I can't imagine trying to get all those tiny toothpicks placed right, etc. [03:40] Lalloso (n=h4x0r@62.123.95.200) joined ##slackware. [03:40] he needs to get laid [03:40] lol....FFS...:D [03:40] hahaha, especially after 6 years [03:40] maybe he made a toothpick woman. :P [03:41] with a toothpick atittude? [03:41] finch is pretty awesome [03:41] High_Priest (n=MMF@nat/ibm/x-lxuughfdwmkrzpjf) left ##slackware ("Bye"). [03:41] MLanden: yup, sharp and painful. :P [03:42] fire|bird: lol [03:42] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:43] Nick change: wertik_rus -> wertik_msk [03:43] now I got Iron Maiden's Wicker Man on the brain...:D [03:43] professor landen [03:43] how are you [03:43] humans are weird [03:43] the mona lisa has written something for you.. i think you should read it [03:44] slackytude|evil: does that include you? [03:44] fraid so [03:44] professor?....I never listen to the Mona Lisa,that smile can be decieving...:D [03:45] Action: slackytude|evil switches to irssi [03:45] slackytude|evil (n=hotline@p4FD89D23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [03:45] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:46] Well, later guys, gals, and deco :D [03:46] later,fire|bird [03:46] see ya MLanden [03:46] fire|bird: later :) [03:47] later deco [03:47] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [03:48] geo_ (n=irchon@user-5441ce77.lns3-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:49] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-067-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [03:54] credo (n=credo@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [03:55] geo_ (n=irchon@user-5441ce77.lns3-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:55] oahong` (n=user@61.152.248.19) joined ##slackware. [03:57] it's solved now. uninstalling kdelibs-3.5.10 did the job. i still don't have an idea why it worked for month before it broke. anyway. thanks again for your help MLanden, fire|bird> [03:58] isilzha: congratulations [03:59] isilzha (n=isilzha@203.126.159.130) left irc: "Verlassend" [04:00] kde 4 is behaving oddly [04:00] grem (n=grem@C-61-69-234-42.for.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:01] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [04:01] Action: missyjane sings [04:01] hi [04:01] what's going on,slackytude? [04:01] missyjane: hi [04:02] slackytude: widgets acting creazy ? [04:02] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@petrostsi1.ath.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:02] Action: MLanden places missyjane in a rollie .. fires up... passes it around... everyone starts singing...:D [04:02] y0 missyjane [04:02] T.T [04:02] deco: no, I mean its still unstable [04:03] or not stable enough anyway [04:03] corte (n=corte@cpe-024-074-144-179.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:03] slackytude: yeah it is, 4.3.1 is so much better [04:03] Action: The-Croupier greets [04:03] greets [04:03] y0 MissyJane [04:03] y0 The-Croupier [04:03] Action: missyjane curtsy to MLanden, slackytude, deco [04:04] Action: grem hands MLandena some of his whiskey [04:04] hiya MLanden [04:04] heard bad things about 4.3.1 as well [04:04] slackytude, what bad things? like ? [04:04] grem: ta [04:04] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-067-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:04] slackytude: since i couldn't compile 4.3.1 im testing it on arch linux so far it's stable :) [04:05] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:05] The-Croupier: stuff not working, nothing specific [04:05] thats not that bad. [04:05] The-Croupier: well, not. I wasnt saying that its bad. I like kde4 so far. but 4.2 is whaky and Ive heard the same about 4.3.1 [04:06] KB1JWQ (i=KB1JWQ@freenode/staff/kb1jwq) left irc: Connection timed out [04:06] the latest release isn't always the best.... so i discovered for myself over the last 30 something hours with asterisk [04:06] 1am here :O , night everybody [04:06] ... even if it is advertised as "stable" [04:06] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [04:06] what is a span port? The Switched Port Analyzer (SPAN) feature? is this right? [04:07] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-067-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [04:07] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [04:07] The-Croupier: no cluew [04:08] man, Im damn tired [04:08] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:08] started to smoke weed again [04:08] Action: grem robs slackytude [04:08] fun but was awake till 2am or so [04:09] I wanna go home [04:09] Emeau-cat__ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:09] i just came to work... and i still wanna go home [04:09] Action: The-Croupier goes to do something to kill boredomness [04:09] pffft i worked for 28 hours straight [04:10] Action: grem hasn't slept since not yesterday but the day before that [04:10] why? [04:10] Action: slackytude does smoke break [04:10] gremlings [04:11] so i don't have to work tomorrow or friday [04:11] geno_ (n=geno@125-236-157-91.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:11] ... and next week i can just bludge seeing i've got it all done [04:12] whooooo! 9 day weekend! [04:12] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:14] Phr34k3r (i=Phr34k3r@adsl196-171-217-217-196.adsl196-15.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [04:14] Nick change: oahong` -> oahong [04:14] thats why you have been off sleep [04:14] ;) [04:15] hello [04:16] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:16] grem: thats nice [04:16] Action: slackytude wants a 9 day weekend as well [04:17] off to study [04:17] later [04:17] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [04:17] uh study? [04:17] damn [04:17] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:17] gotta start learning math tomorrow [04:17] ? [04:17] kinderP (n=kinder@host230-93-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:18] math... what use has that ever been! [04:18] :P [04:18] slackytude, which kind the one that says 1+1=0 or the one that says 1+1=2 :p [04:19] the one I need for my BS [04:19] statistics, analysis and stochastic [04:19] it sucks [04:20] i wished i'd gone to year 12 and learned more about math... [04:20] meh [04:20] would save me a lot of googling for algorthims now that i write business s/ware [04:20] :P [04:20] hehe [04:20] yeah, I can see that [04:21] but Ive been taking maths for ages now and still not done. and yet I have no clue. I manage to pass some exams but basically everything is gone after a few days [04:21] yea, i quickly got sick of studying too [04:21] that is annoying if you encounter a problem you are supposed to solve [04:21] doesnt get any better [04:21] most of it you'll rarely use in the real world anyway [04:22] Action: slackytude nods [04:22] that's because you don't care about it, so once it's over with you forget all about it [04:22] Instained_Atom: true. [04:22] most of the stuff i studied after high school i barely have to do now days [04:23] school curricula are put together by crazy people anyways [04:23] they may as well make you take courses in how the ugly duchess sprinkles pepper on babies to make them sneeze, for all the got 95% of it does you [04:24] Instained_Atom: either that or by professors that have lost contact with the real world [04:24] Tidus (n=nobody@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: [04:24] still you get your bit of paper and you're set [04:24] well, math doesnt need to be pratical [04:24] what you dont integrate over 3d surfaces on a daily basis? [04:24] knowing the theory behind it can help as well [04:25] SiegeX: hehe no thank christ... i struggle with the google maps api as it is :P [04:25] SiegeX: hardly. ^-^ [04:25] math is very important, it lets you know if your last $10 will stretch to beers and a macdonalds meal, or if you have to settle for instant ramen and chinese cooking wine yet again [04:25] the maths behind that google maps makes my head spin... i feel sorry for those geeks [04:26] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:26] well, I like math. I wwoulndt want to do it, but I feel got about it being there [04:26] Instained_Atom: i like the way you think! [04:26] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:26] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "Java user signed off" [04:26] Action: grem pours Instained_Atom a glass of irish whiskey [04:26] s/got/good [04:26] Instained_Atom: there's always Carling Black Label.......ewww [04:26] all you have to know about math is that there are four 24hour days in 1 rotation [04:26] Action: Instained_Atom quickly drinks the irish before grem changes his mind and takes it back [04:26] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-13-152.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:27] i'd prefer if we switched to metric time [04:27] metric time? [04:28] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:28] yea... like mm, cm, m, km, etc [04:28] the way we measure time is rather silly [04:28] 10 hour days... work out the mins/secs from there :P [04:28] it's all based on the sumerians, who didn't even have watches [04:28] Instained_Atom: but they sure could build zigurats! [04:28] :P [04:28] we didnt have watches either 200 years ago [04:29] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-13-152.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:29] the day should have 100 metric hours, divided into 100 metric minutes of 100 metric seconds [04:30] http://masterwordsmith-unplugged.blogspot.com/2009/04/top-20-april-fools-day-hoaxes-of-all.html [04:30] ... scroll down to #15 [04:30] :P [04:31] why minutes? [04:31] use seconds [04:31] s, ks, ms, gs [04:32] why should a day have 100 hours? why not have a year have 10000 hrs or 10^6 minutes? [04:32] psyklops (n=cy@64-195-119-27.dtb.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [04:32] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:32] a friend of mine just had his birthday, he is now a gigasecond old [04:33] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [04:34] while it would be nice to have the same hour every day at noon maybe? [04:34] like 12 ? [04:35] like 50 [04:35] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [04:35] or 5 [04:35] lowkyalur: time for beer ... it's 66 o'clock somewhere..:D [04:35] 66 o'clock, huh? [04:36] DaWyzir (i=5062b254@gateway/web/freenode/x-jnpkbjvsiclihfor) joined ##slackware. [04:36] and the clock strikes 13 [04:36] slick slack [04:36] alisonken1noc: 55 perhaps....pick the number [04:36] :) [04:36] slick slack ^-^ [04:36] maybe 10 is better [04:37] Hello slackytude [04:37] I'm going to be trying to install Slackware on my EEE901 tonight [04:38] I've got no backup plan if slackware falls apart due to my carelessness [04:38] psyklops: it works beautifully on my eeepc 701 [04:38] Just booted the USB installer and the kernel there does not support either network device [04:38] psyklops: tonight at 90hrs? [04:38] what timezone? [04:39] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:39] EST [04:39] it's 4:40 AM so it's morning I suppose [04:39] EST on which contenient? [04:39] North America [04:39] cuz my EST is 6:40pm [04:40] and in metric time? [04:40] don't forget kelvin time [04:40] 4.6 o clock [04:40] 89:23? [04:40] seconds since it last was 0K? [04:40] stamp (n=stamp@chello087207160135.chello.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:41] 1928658634985713 [04:41] someday in the future a day *will* be 100 hours long... assuming our sun does not envelop us first [04:41] but there's 360 degrees in a circle [04:42] so when that day comes, will there be 100 or 1000 degrees? [04:42] Action: SiegeX consults the timecube [04:43] Action: grem watches Einstien roll over [04:43] says outlook unclear [04:45] Hm... Well I'm downloading the slackware DVD in preparation for my install now. I planned on just using a mirror to do a net-install but that's not possible [04:46] it'll be 8 hours before that finishes [04:46] at which velocity? [04:46] 160 KB/s [04:46] Action: lowkyalur bends Spacetime a little. [04:47] if KB were units of distance... hm [04:47] can a bit be represented by a single electron? [04:48] no [04:48] no [04:48] no [04:48] Action: grem watches Einstien roll over [04:48] Action: psyklops gives Einstein a treat [04:48] you need a second one to compare the spins. [04:48] you can't just use the charge? [04:49] + 1 [04:49] mmmm intertwined particles [04:49] lol that is always -1 ... [04:49] Action: grem teleports across to the edge of the universe and back [04:49] :D [04:49] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [04:50] psyklops: you mean like charges in a semiconductor grid [04:51] I am the real craigslist killer. [04:51] pffft [04:51] I am Jack [04:51] Action: lowkyalur puts a Levenstein-Marquardt backpropagation next to grem to trap him. [04:52] Action: psyklops makes sure his cat isn't dead [04:52] Action: psyklops still isn't certain [04:52] you just killed the probability:( [04:52] Action: grem does a wave [04:53] Physics is useless poppycock. The universe is all generated inside my mind. [04:53] i see you take LSD too! [04:53] :P [04:53] Action: lowkyalur does a phase shift by Pi. [04:53] Pi is my favorite movie. [04:54] Fun channel.. [04:54] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:54] Much less hostile than #debian [04:54] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [04:54] I actually am afraid to use IRC when I'm stuck on a problem because of #debian [04:54] Guest73737 (n=grbzks@ppp-94-68-138-32.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:55] omg [04:55] Guest73737 (n=grbzks@ppp-94-68-138-32.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [04:55] psyklops, I'm sure it was just one or two lone nuts. irc has a few. [04:55] psyklops: Why would debian be hostile? [04:55] psyklops: or #linux [04:55] trolls are everywhere [04:55] the lone nuts are moderators and regulars [04:55] haven't been there in years though [04:55] if you dont have friends you turn regular [04:55] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:56] I've been eating a lot of fiber as well [04:56] poop in the butt, psyklops [04:56] lowkyalur: you need a trollz? please try #ubuntu-hu [04:56] heh [04:56] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left ##slackware. [04:56] DaWyzir: fine, no thanks [04:57] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427638.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:57] Action: lowkyalur thinks: why is everybody recommending me ubuntu. [04:57] lowkyalur, too many problems with slackware? [04:58] problems? slackware? [04:58] what planet do you come from? [04:58] upstream. [04:58] planet pebkac maybe? [04:58] DaWyzir (i=5062b254@gateway/web/freenode/x-jnpkbjvsiclihfor) left ##slackware. [04:59] snearch (n=olaf@188.46.221.182) joined ##slackware. [04:59] byteframe: no. just two. how do i change if slack thinks the hw clock is set to UTC or not? and why is direct rendering not working? [05:00] what driver? [05:00] alisonken1noc: where the c is couch in my case [05:00] byteframe: radeon [05:00] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [05:00] lowkyalur: not sure about DR, but for clock it would be /etc/localtime [05:01] alisonken1noc: which is a binary file? [05:01] lowkyalur, timeconfig? [05:01] slackware also creates a link called localtime-copied-from which directs you to which localtime tzdata file was used [05:01] yes localtime is a binary file created from the tzdata info [05:02] lowkyalur, what graphics card? [05:02] byteframe: x1400. fglrx didnt want to install, so i left radeon. glxgears yields 1600fps however glxinfo doesnt say direct rendering yes [05:03] with xorg.conf? [05:03] Nick change: Camarade1Tux -> Camarade_Tux [05:03] byteframe: yes [05:05] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl6-204-48.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:05] lowkyalur, slackware 13.0? [05:05] byteframe: 13 64 [05:07] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-204-48.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Nick collision from services. [05:07] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [05:09] Phr34k3r (i=Phr34k3r@adsl196-171-217-217-196.adsl196-15.iam.net.ma) left irc: Client Quit [05:09] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-179-4.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [05:13] lowkyalur, try radeonhd [05:13] lowkyalur, you might not even need a xorg.conf file anymore. [05:13] steiger (n=steiger@189.105.37.156) joined ##slackware. [05:18] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [05:19] byteframe: now how would i then tell my mouse wheel what to do? [05:20] byteframe: radeonhd is virtually deprecated now, all the work is gong into radeon [05:20] LSD`, I was not aware. that's probably good though. [05:21] lowkyalur, they new xorg by default will have your mouse be controlled by the evdev driver, I think. my mousewheels and buttons (scroll left and right) work out of the box with no config. [05:23] LSD could you please source that? [05:26] puh.. what a fiddly work to configure the XTerm colors.. [05:26] :p [05:29] byteframe: oke, i will try relocating the xorg.conf and see what happens. laters... [05:29] lowkyalur, wait [05:29] after you remove the file, do a hard reboot [05:29] yank for the power cord out of the pewter. [05:30] byteframe: waiting:) [05:33] sid77 (n=sid77@moko.slackware.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:35] jumperboy (n=jumperbo@gl206.websiteproject.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:37] bisco_ (n=bisco@moko.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [05:37] sid77 (n=sid77@moko.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [05:42] boring! [05:42] Action: grem pours out more whiskey [05:42] snearch (n=olaf@188.46.221.182) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [05:42] indeed [05:42] morning ^.*$ [05:42] evening [05:43] morning acidchild [05:43] how goes? [05:44] boring day at work [05:44] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.220) left irc: "Leaving" [05:44] not much to do and Im tired [05:44] and I wanna go home [05:45] what do ya do for a living slacky? [05:45] acidchild: how about you? [05:45] stayed up all night hacking the interwebz [05:45] acidchild: did ya win? [05:45] feeling pretty sleepy but i might just try the 'morning life' abit this morning and go buy a bicycle [05:46] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [05:46] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.11.29) joined ##slackware. [05:47] KB1JWQ (i=KB1JWQ@freenode/staff/kb1jwq) joined ##slackware. [05:47] grem: playing with upnp and javascript [05:50] matte__ (n=matte@87.204.232.182) joined ##slackware. [05:50] bisco (n=bisco@moko.slackware.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:50] j0z_ (n=JESUS@189.58.11.191.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[05:59] read the manual,see what they all mean [06:00] Does anyone know how SPF is supposed to handle mailing lists? [06:00] Action: slackytude grabs some lunch [06:00] kebab, here I come [06:00] slackytude: what lang.... what sorta s/ware? [06:00] Zordrak: whats mailing lists gotta do with suncream? :P [06:00] |alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:01] |alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:01] Bouncing some ML traffic because the sender has strict SPF records which obviously don't include this external list provider. So, they send a message to the list, it gets sent out to us, and our server bounces it because the From domain has SPF that doesnt list the ML server [06:03] well the reason why i'm useing alein is becasue the only version of the 3d drivers for sis i could find was in a .deb file unless the default sis drivers thatcome with slack supports it but from what i've read online it doesnt [06:04] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-179-4.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:05] what kind of email providers? [06:05] hotmail/AOL/etc? or private corperate servers? [06:06] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [06:06] because surely the SPF record is correct on your domain for your mailservers right? there are sites to check/build SPF records. [06:06] private corp [06:06] theblackerbox (n=sammo@92.28.8.62) joined ##slackware. [06:06] you need to raise your spam score... maybe try DKIM? [06:06] eh? [06:06] bah [06:06] flvr (i=0@host-93-182-19-84.real.kvidex.net) left irc: "Leaving." [06:06] theblackerbox (n=sammo@92.28.8.62) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:06] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-179-4.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [06:06] whats the error the server is giving you? mr spammer [06:07] acidchild: you need to re-read [06:07] oooh [06:08] whitelist ^_^ [06:08] lol [06:08] Person P@X mails random mailing list. Member of staff Y@H (here) is a member of that list. The mail server running the mailing list is in external domain D. Our mail server sees a mail From: P@X where X has strict SPF, but the sending mail server is in domain D, not domain X [06:10] yeh. [06:11] you could whitelist domain D? is it like username@linuxbox.corp.net? [06:12] my brain is dead. good luck [06:12] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.11.29) left irc: "Leaving" [06:12] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@113.11.36.147) joined ##slackware. [06:13] thayer (n=thayer@C-59-101-42-245.hay.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:13] hi, sound problem, can't hear .mp3 , what to install, ? [06:13] well yeah I could.. but this could crop up a fair bit.. Im wondering why this particular ML is breaking where others dont.. want to fix the problem rather than circumvent [06:13] i ran the .mp3 file with amarok [06:13] but no sound [06:14] Linux-IRC: have you run alsamixer and unmuted and turned up your volumes? [06:15] I'm wondering if perhaps this particular ML is keeping envelope-from as the orig sender rather than setting a new one [06:15] maillogs... [06:18] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.223.48) joined ##slackware. [06:19] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.182.252) joined ##slackware. [06:19] hello [06:19] mingdao: hello, is there any problem with this?http://img171.imageshack.us/i/snapshot1v.png/ [06:19] earthling [06:19] Linux-IRC: unmute line? [06:20] Linux-IRC: as root in a terminal run "alsamixer" and press M to unmute; turn up the volumes with up arrow key; when finished press Esc to exit; run "alsactl store" to save across reboots ; exit to normal user ; play filename.mp3 [06:21] Linux-IRC: looks good [06:21] john_dee (n=id@89.179.30.140) joined ##slackware. [06:21] line is for line in and you probably don't need it [06:21] theres no more volume controls if you keep pressing right? [06:21] Linux-IRC: master is muted tho [06:21] as is front [06:21] i think it's front mic [06:21] eh, what mingdao said [06:21] that is front mic [06:22] Linux-IRC: you can also issue "speaker-test -Dplug:surround51 -c6 -t wav" in a terminal to test sound [06:22] you don't have to play a mp3 file [06:22] check to the far right tho... my old SB live had a gazillion and twelve different ones [06:23] I don't know why the last command would not work, but you could also use "speaker-test -Dplug:front -c2 -t wav" [06:23] HDA Intel can sometimes be a real pita now. [06:24] Lot's of different codecs all saying HDA Intel. [06:24] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-067-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:25] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.133.142.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [06:26] mingdao: peaker-test -Dplug:surround51 -c6 -t wav , -bash: peaker-test: command not found [06:26] grem: I just did a fresh install on the wife's PC and it had 35 settings in alsamixer for an onboard VIA [06:27] you left the s off of speaker ;) [06:27] not peaker-test, but speaker-test [06:27] mingdao: is there any gui tool? [06:27] too much LSD? [06:27] :P [06:27] I dunno. [06:27] I dunno if there is a GUI tool. [06:27] The ncurses one doesn't work? [06:28] No_Klu (n=guru@76.5.140.90) joined ##slackware. [06:28] Linux-IRC: we're slackers.... we do everything in the shell :P [06:28] If you use KDE there's KMix or some such. [06:28] Should be an icon in the sys tray of your DE. [06:28] grem: yah ... [06:28] mingdao: http://pastebin.com/m1dc85a5c [06:28] cmaiolino (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [06:29] Hey guys, I'm starting to use slack, so I have having problems to set up my NIC [06:29] You trying to hurt me Linux-IRC? Image shack US is blocked here. [06:29] mingdao: http://pastebin.com/m1dc85a5c is it blocked? [06:29] The lspci recognize my NIC, but when I use ifconfig eth0, I receive the error "Device Not Found" [06:29] Linux-IRC: minues the surround:51 [06:30] how can I troubleshoot this ? [06:30] minus* [06:30] cmaiolino: lspci does not mean the driver got loaded for it [06:30] mingdao: any other dev he can use? never used that cmd myself [06:30] cmaiolino: being root , ifconfig [06:30] cmaiolino: pastebin the output of `lsmod` [06:30] Should be an icon in the sys tray of your desktop Linux-IRC [06:30] ... and what nic do you have? [06:30] Linux-IRC: Look to the bottom right [06:31] mingdao: icon for what? [06:31] for a mixer [06:31] mingdao: what type of icon? [06:31] What desktop environment do you use? [06:31] 8139too 22780 0 [06:31] sloinn (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/x-dmrzhtulchejenkj) joined ##slackware. [06:31] Goat_Dog (n=guru@76.5.140.90) left irc: "Leaving" [06:31] grem, ^ [06:31] mingdao: kde [06:31] RTL8139C [06:31] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [06:31] mingdao: no icon [06:31] hmmm interesting [06:31] Linux-IRC: Press Atl+F2 and then type kmix and press Enter [06:32] cmaiolino: whats the output of `ifconfig -a` [06:32] grem, Just loopback interface [06:32] mingdao: did this [06:32] ah, it's a Virtual machine on KVM [06:32] mingdao: no option from the combobox [06:33] hey, I need to install 13.0, is it Ok to create new partition, boot from cd, change bootable flag to the new partition and install the new slackware to it ? is the Lilo in MBR gonna be overiden ? [06:33] mingdao: from current mixer [06:33] cmaiolino: that does make a difference ;) [06:33] sloinn: Linux does not need/require a bootable flag. [06:33] sloinn: if you write lilo to the MBR on the new install, the old one will be overwritten. [06:34] Linux-IRC: no option for what? [06:34] sloinn: you can skip the boot loader section during the install [06:34] mingdao, hmm, I don't know if changing the NIC driver (on KVM) to e1000 for example will make a difference, the actual NIC loaded is a "virtual broadcom" [06:34] ... at least you can in every prior version [06:34] mingdao: kmix>Current option combobox > [06:34] mingdao, kernel has this module [06:34] <---- obviously hasn't tried 13 yet [06:34] mingdao: kmix>current mixer [06:35] Linux-IRC: I don't use KDE, so I don't have an idea what you mean or what you see there. [06:35] tltstc (n=tltstc@76.90.95.39) joined ##slackware. [06:35] Linux-IRC: I know how to setup sound via CLI. [06:35] cmaiolino: your chipset is 8139too? [06:35] yea, i've used the same card/module quite a few times [06:35] cmaiolino: That is a Realtek RTL8139C ... I haven't run KVM in a couple of years. [06:36] mingdao, the lspci recognize a Realtek rtl8139 [06:36] yah [06:36] C requires the too module, the others are just 8139 [06:36] e1000 is some Intel chipset [06:36] mingdao: do you use slackware? [06:36] yes [06:37] mingdao: slackware comes with kde [06:37] default [06:37] yes, but I don't like KDE, so I use something else [06:37] you use a gui? [06:37] :P [06:37] There are plenty of guys in here who use KDE. [06:38] Might have to wait for one to wake up. [06:38] But I can help you setup sound in a -- konsole. [06:38] I never have used anything else to setup sound. [06:39] mingdao: how from konsole [06:39] grem: Fluxbox on silas64; Fluxbox on jeremiah; LXDE on peter; paul is headless no X; KDE on china; Fluxbox on timothy [06:39] china is the housekeeper's box .... headless atm [06:39] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@113.11.36.147) left ##slackware. [06:40] Linux-IRC: as root in a terminal run "alsamixer" and press M to unmute; turn up the volumes with up arrow key; when finished press Esc to exit; run "alsactl store" to save across reboots ; exit to normal user ; speaker-test -Dplug:front -c2 -t wav [06:40] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.223.48) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:41] If Linux-IRC comes back, someone might need to checkout his HDA Intel codec. [06:41] He'll need to issue "cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec" [06:42] no theme for your box names? [06:43] i use takeaway food for desktops at my office, servers are equipment you'd find in a takeaway store, laptops are drinks and workers home machines are countries [06:43] Emeau (n=Emeau@92.128.97.120) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [06:44] damnit [06:44] come back to my pc and see a konsole window with alsamixer open [06:44] heh [06:44] I try to close it and wonder why it doesnt work and then realize its just a screenshot [06:45] doh! [06:45] ha! [06:45] my cat just spit up a hairball on my throne of skulls [06:45] you got a throne of skulls? [06:46] yep.. upgrade from the inflatable penguin chair [06:46] whose skulls? [06:46] never ask their name [06:47] uh, okay [06:47] sounds a bit ghey to me... [06:47] good to have though while running pure 64 bit slack [06:47] skulls.... penguins.... cats? [06:47] j/k [06:51] Action: slackytude searches google images for "bikini" with cooliris :D [06:51] gotta love it [06:52] ha! nice [06:52] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [06:52] mingdao, I'll try to replace the Realtek NIC to a e1000 [06:54] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [06:55] cmaiolino: what happens when you type: ifconfig etho up while in root or super user mode? does running ifconfig then show the interface afterward? [06:57] Yudha_HT (n=oc@125.161.54.243) joined ##slackware. [06:57] No_Klu, I'm rebooting my VM with an e1000 driver [06:57] moh2a (n=mohaa@89.16.14.98) joined ##slackware. [06:58] ahh [06:58] cmaiolino (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:59] estevao (n=estevao@189.115.217.189) joined ##slackware. [07:00] cmaiolino (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [07:01] No_Klu, the NIC is ok now =P [07:01] With the e1000 driver [07:01] nheco (n=nheco@189.30.201.12) joined ##slackware. [07:01] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [07:02] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:02] i've recently compiled hundreds of x86_64 programs and packaged them if anyone needs to save time [07:04] super cmaiolino [07:05] No_Klu, nah, just a lucky test :) [07:05] PuroOsso (n=PuroOsso@189.74.141.10) joined ##slackware. [07:05] hi [07:05] hello [07:05] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.65.52) left irc: Nick collision from services. [07:05] Nick change: moh2a -> mohaa [07:10] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-179-4.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:12] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-067-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [07:12] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) left irc: "leaving" [07:13] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-66-120.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:13] byteframe: so radeonhd is buggy - it switches of the backlight and crashes glxgears. radeon still has no direct rendering displayed. let's see if nwn runs [07:13] unless you have a bleeding edge card, i doubt it. [07:14] pics or it didn't happen [07:14] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [07:14] geno_ (n=geno@125-236-157-91.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) left irc: "Leaving" [07:16] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-jnxssflwddukuyom) joined ##slackware. [07:16] gaz- (n=gaz@xvm-12-22.ghst.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:17] nwn runs for me on my ati radeon [07:17] pretty old as well [07:17] for me too. at least. [07:17] pireau (i=1000@208.92.18.96) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:18] mancha: x1400. whatever bleedingedge is [07:19] so i hang around with radeon. whatever. [07:19] Action: lowkyalur starts saving for a thinkpad with nvidia. [07:19] bleeding edge, for our purposes, shall be defined henceforth as technology whose public release is recent enough, relative to the moment under discussion, that it is reasonable to conclude that support has not yet been developed by, Xorg henceforth referred to as "FOSS Provider" [07:19] lowkyalur: I got one. [07:20] mingdao: nice for you:) [07:21] ThinkPad T61 -- there were certain requirements for my laptop purchase ... no Intel or ATI graphics was high on the list. 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[07:52] hehe - I nearly got locked IN the other day.... would have had to type really really slowly to avoid setting off the motion detectors! [07:53] dorin_ro (n=dorin@89.123.142.3) joined ##slackware. [07:55] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.14.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:58] nheco (n=nheco@189.30.201.12) joined ##slackware. [07:59] grem (n=grem@C-61-69-234-42.for.connect.net.au) left ##slackware. [07:59] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [08:00] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:02] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [08:03] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) joined ##slackware. [08:06] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.14.98) joined ##slackware. [08:08] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-109-186-164.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:09] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-109-186-164.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[08:20] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-83-135.multimo.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [08:22] eh [08:22] im bored, reading noobfarm [08:23] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:24] hi metrofox_san ^^ [08:25] nheco (n=nheco@189.30.201.12) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:26] gonna read something, see ya later ;) [08:28] for debugging i run all my x apps out of an xterm. am i using a lot more memory? [08:28] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [08:29] way too much, think of the environment! [08:29] :P [08:31] i start x out of a term and the term gets so cluttered with stuff [08:31] Zosma (i=jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:32] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@113.11.36.147) joined ##slackware. [08:32] i have to learn how to force the output to seperate files [08:32] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.14.98) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [08:33] hi, how many times does it take to build and compile firefox3.5 from source in slackware 12.2? does anyone have experience? [08:33] t0f: what type of output ? from terminal? [08:33] t0f: ls > file.txt [08:33] Linux-IRC: from the x app [08:34] t0f: mention one app. [08:34] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.14.98) joined ##slackware. [08:34] firefox has lots of debugging output [08:34] t0f: any idea about taking time? [08:35] command > command.log [08:35] t0f: 50 minutes to complete? [08:35] i made firefox once, and never tried again, sorry [08:35] t0f: that time how long did it take? [08:35] on a 1000mhz p3 it takes quite some time [08:36] t0f: do you have p3? [08:36] if i remember, it was about an hour [08:36] why would you want to recompile firefox? [08:36] ananke: language [08:36] ananke: it's firefox 3.0.6 in slackware 12.2 [08:37] yes, i am trying to make a custom kernel for my 3ghz p4, but i am not satified with it, yet [08:37] there we go [08:37] how nice all my terminals look now :) [08:37] t0f, http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2006/06/06/what-does-devnull-21-mean/ [08:37] nheco (n=nheco@189-10-226-31.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:37] jonsmith1982: thanks [08:37] t0f: "not satisfied" why? [08:38] if i rm raid, for example, the modules refuse to link [08:38] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@113.11.36.147) left ##slackware. [08:38] O_o [08:39] i'll figure it out [08:39] linux_probe: i see [08:40] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:42] pwc101_ (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:42] WOO! ITV switched from Silverlight to Flash!! woop [08:42] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [08:44] diven (n=diven@72.183.237.80) left irc: "Quitting" [08:45] meLinda- (i=NaRt@41.236.13.192) left irc: No route to host [08:45] thayer (n=thayer@C-59-101-42-245.hay.connect.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [08:45] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:46] Zordrak: oy [08:46] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:46] another one bites the dust [08:46] Zordrak: any statment why ? [08:47] slackytude: reaching wider audience [08:48] cos no fucker has silverlight and everyone has flash [08:51] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:52] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC0217C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:53] any of you guys that can use LaTeX? [08:54] v3, whats the Q [08:54] well, I've made a cv using latex [08:54] i'm having difficulties positioning an image [08:55] is your image eps? [08:55] i've made as ascii sketch here: http://pastebin.com/d75e53e9f :) [08:55] here is a part of the tex-file: http://pastebin.tlhiv.org/Qh0a2ZAK [08:55] no, png [08:56] kpr (n=kpr@unaffiliated/kpr) joined ##slackware. [08:57] dunno, wrapfig maybe? [08:57] it looks exacly how I want it if I exchange the picture with text, but when I insert the image, it looks like crap [08:57] artveee (n=art@216.6.155.17) left irc: "Leaving." [08:57] C00re (i=hard@unaffiliated/c00re) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:57] C00re (i=hard@unaffiliated/c00re) joined ##slackware. [08:58] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Success [08:58] yay; new Denny's breakfast coupon [08:59] v3, floatflt is another hack package, try them both [08:59] mancha: using wrapfig places the image at the bottom of the document :p [08:59] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:59] i'll try floatflt [09:00] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-126-30.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:00] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [09:02] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [09:03] ..and floatflt placed the image in the middle of the document, behind all the text :) [09:03] guess I'll have to study some more TeX-manuals then [09:04] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@90.47.205.30) joined ##slackware. [09:05] hitest (n=hitest@64.114.226.226) joined ##slackware. [09:05] um [09:05] did you you use something like: http://pastebin.com/d4ab99947 [09:05] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [09:11] Zordrak: flash is still the devil. [09:12] vantech (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [09:12] agentc0re: beter than SL [09:13] mancha: yes [09:13] what the hell is with bash's No such fileo or directory with execs on 64bit? [09:13] i'm guessing they aren't 64-bit [09:13] i can KINDA understand on 32bit bins.. but this is a 64bit bin and even if i htry to ldd it, ldd gives me the same shit [09:13] run file on those binaries [09:13] Zordrak: it's not bash. it's your systems inability to execute 32 bit code [09:14] didint mean to imply it was bash [09:14] or 64 bit code, if you have a 32 bit system [09:14] slackytu1e (n=icke@p4FD8A2FA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:14] simply put: trying to execute code that your system can't execute :) [09:14] its a 64 bit system.. and an imported 64bit binary [09:14] Zordrak: check with 'file' [09:14] i could do with a better error than "that file dent exist" [09:15] fileo is happy with it [09:15] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [09:15] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@113.11.36.147) joined ##slackware. [09:15] show us the output :) [09:15] yes, but it'll say "that's 32-bit" [09:15] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@113.11.36.147) left ##slackware. [09:15] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [09:15] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-067-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:16] ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped [09:16] and just to verify: uname -m [09:16] O_o ... you dont trust me? [09:17] x86_64 [09:17] Zordrak: i don't trust interpretations. [09:17] diven (n=diven@64.79.213.171) joined ##slackware. [09:17] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [09:17] a good portion of problems are prolonged, because people _think_ they saw something else [09:18] so don't take it personally [09:18] ananke: http://www.globes.com/products/utilities/v11.7/lmgrd_x64_lsb.tar.gz [09:18] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Client Quit [09:19] PuroOsso (n=PuroOsso@189.74.141.10) left irc: "o/" [09:19] ohh, lmrgd. i hate me those license managers [09:19] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.21.44) joined ##slackware. [09:20] it executes on my system, but it's not a slackware one [09:20] O_o [09:21] indeed.. so whats up with it? [09:21] kill the traitor! [09:21] Zordrak: i've had a blast with flexlm stuff in the past, when their binaries would be compiled against a different version of glibc. had to use chroot environment just for those [09:22] just seems daft that i can barely touch the file let alone execute it [09:22] Zordrak: here's ldd & strace output: http://pastebin.com/d9cdd7de [09:22] /quit [09:22] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@clsm-216-222-251-92-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) left irc: "leaving" [09:22] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@clsm-216-222-251-92-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [09:23] Zordrak: possible bad download? corrupt file? [09:23] it was tarballed [09:23] md5sum: bb0d77d624a01e6f950c661c04ad5ac2 lmgrd [09:24] sameo [09:24] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [09:24] Ok.. who wants to stray completely off topic to help me murder a user? [09:25] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD89D23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:25] heh-heh [09:25] we'd have to do it in a 'strangers on a train' way. you kill mine, i kill yours [09:25] Action: agentc0re raises hand!! [09:25] OOOh pick me, pick me!! [09:25] Some may remember my rant about the user who disclaims all knowledge.. but has somehow installed a netware client which alos dropped the laptop off the domain.... i now have the laptop in hand and want to figure out where netware came from [09:25] Action: hitest is in [09:26] so i can blame him *officially* [09:26] Zordrak: we can take turns murdering eachothers users. the contest will be who can do it in a more unique fashion. [09:26] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.133.142.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:27] Zordrak: why does he have admin rights? [09:28] agentc0re: because everyone has admin rights here [09:28] ... [09:28] yay fr admin rights [09:28] there isnt enough red tape to wrap whiners in... they just whine to their boss who whines to the CEO who whines at em [09:28] for* [09:28] only on windows mind [09:29] Zordrak: uhmm, find all files related to this client, and check owners. [09:30] Zordrak: well, uninstall everything but work related stuff then. EVERYTHING. games, home banking software... everything.. Then tell him in conjunction with netware it everything was causing the pc to not rejoin with the domain. [09:30] Zordrak: I'm guessing then you catch it in the neck from management as you're the main sysadmin [09:30] everybody has admin rights? thats heaps of fun [09:30] hitest: im the ONLY sysadmin [09:30] right [09:30] if anybody gets a virus, everybody gets it [09:30] its a company of 80 people and the IT dept is Me. [09:30] not to mention, windows probably logs installation of software [09:30] I have had this same problem too. It's really hard to find out who installed what. [09:30] Zordrak: so then everyone shits on you [09:31] ananke: thats where i was heading.. file ownership is insufficient as his is the only account on it [09:31] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.23.17) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:31] Zordrak: then what's the issue in proving that he installed it? [09:31] agentc0re: cant.. then ill have to help him reinstall it all [09:32] Zordrak: can't do that if it was conflicting it from being on the domain. [09:32] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:32] Nick change: slackytu1e -> slackytude [09:32] ananke: well.. some bizarre kind of PXE setup or browser-installed stuff is different from him running and progressing through an installer [09:32] agentc0re: then id look incomptent cos it works for everyone elso [09:32] seems like it's a moot point trying to prove that he did when they already don't care if people have rights to install programs. [09:33] agentc0re: its all ive got.... its a very thin line [09:33] Zordrak: i'd just play the game and tell him, i know you did it and i just found the evidence. Stop installing stuff that you have no business installing. [09:33] ah, a bluff [09:33] Zordrak: what's the ultimate goal of proving that he installed it? [09:34] ananke: threatening him with having his admin rights removed (ultimate goal) [09:34] Zordrak: if you track web usage, block some of his sites for a bit. [09:34] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [09:34] Zordrak: are you in a position of making that call? [09:34] Zordrak: take the rights down to poweruser. [09:34] Tirili (n=Unknown@dslc-082-083-158-026.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:34] Zosma (i=jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:35] ananke: yes.. if i have enough technical cause [09:36] at this point i don't see a reason for finding evidence then. if you're the person who can make that kind of a call, and you know that he installed it, i don't see a point in wasting more time on it [09:36] ananke: i dont *know* [09:36] thats the issue... i have no idea how it got on there [09:36] and i want to make sure it doesnt happen again [09:36] Zordrak: I'd fix his box then give him a warning that any further unwarranted installs will result in his admin rights being revoked. [09:36] tell me, how ELSE do you install netware? [09:37] agentc0re: silent install from iffy conferencing software when visiting a client? [09:37] i dont know [09:37] it's not just something you can easily come across on and just view in a website to have it install through activeX. [09:37] unlikely [09:37] its only the netware client [09:37] matte__ (n=matte@87.204.232.182) left irc: "bye bye" [09:37] Zordrak: see if you can find the installer. [09:38] Hi [09:38] ananke: thing is.. hes not likely to be properly full-on lying.. he probably did it accidentally [09:38] ananke: tryincg [09:38] when does add/remove programs say it was installed? [09:38] ananke: having trouble finding evidence of it other than a control panel entry and some network stack bits [09:38] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [09:38] Zordrak: Ohh, does he use IE? [09:38] if he did it by accident, taking away his admin rights after one incident seems to be a bit excessive [09:39] agentc0re: he might [09:39] ananke: specultion is a pain.. which is why i wantto find out the truth [09:39] Zordrak: google, ie history view. nice program that lets you view any users ie history. [09:39] Zordrak: maybe you can find where it was downloaded. [09:39] agentc0re: nod [09:40] it's how we try to find what users were doing when they get a virus before we take away their internet. [09:40] we being (myself and co-worker) [09:40] Zordrak: i think you've reached the point of diminishing results [09:40] i'd remove the client and move on [09:41] ananke: i dont know how yet [09:41] i'd leave the client on and have him explain to management how he can no longer do his work because some software magically appeared on his machine [09:41] well if he can find where it was downloaded, the site can be blocked to prevent further access to it to download. [09:41] its not in add/remove [09:42] that's weird.. 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[09:45] doing the history view [09:45] %SystemRoot%\system32\rundll32 nwsetup.dll NWUninstallClient [09:45] according to the registry [09:46] kpr (n=kpr@unaffiliated/kpr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:46] 'HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\Novell Client for Windows' [09:46] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:47] designs703 (n=designs7@pool-173-79-180-78.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:48] rrh_ (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [09:49] Hi everyone, I've installed Zenwalk and I'm looking to configure X for my 1280x1024 screen. What's the most straightforward way to do that? [09:50] designs703: is this #zenwalk ? [09:50] you might have taken a wrong turn at the gas station [09:50] designs703: #zenwalk [09:50] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:51] gawd, I hate writing documentation [09:51] sorry, but I've had a difficult time getting support from Zenwalk via the forums and IRC over the past day. I know that Zenwalk is based on Slackware, so I imagine that configuring things manually would be similar if not identical between the two [09:51] it sucks the soul out of the body [09:52] I'm not looking for direct support, just a point in the right direction (besides the dead #zenwalk) [09:52] it *should* still be in the domain too, click on 'Advanced' on the novell login, then on the windows tab, select the domain from the drop down box labeled 'From' [09:52] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:53] designs703: you should be able to edit your xorg.conf for your video mode [09:53] designs703: google for xorg.conf resolution [09:53] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:53] slackboy, thanks, I will research that now [09:54] slackytude, ^^ [09:54] Action: slackytude bows [09:54] sorry, there are a bunch of handles here that begin with slack* [09:54] Action: slackytude goes back to edit the huge, crushing MS word file [09:54] designs703: yes, I wonder why [09:55] Nick change: mrselfpwn -> slackpower [09:56] Wait a tension popping minute [09:56] would be fine if every nick of the 300 or so people would start with slack [09:56] XP has a netware client BUILT IN! [09:56] huh, since when? [09:56] netprops/install/client.. only option: Client Service for Netware [09:56] designs703 (n=designs7@pool-173-79-180-78.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:57] so is windows 7 memory management better than previous Windows versions? [09:57] slackpower: same as with vista [09:57] agentc0re gets the props.. cause it was the IE history thing that led me to the fact he was pissing around trying to share files on a network [09:57] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-185.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:59] supposedly the windows kernel was optimized in 7. it is only a few megs now? [10:00] Tirili (n=Unknown@dslc-082-083-158-026.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:00] Tirili (n=opera@dslc-082-083-158-026.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:00] pireau (i=1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [10:00] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:01] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [10:02] hi [10:02] g4tt0: hi [10:03] moh2a (n=mohaa@188.115.67.236) joined ##slackware. [10:04] Wurm (n=celestia@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [10:04] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:05] dorin_ro (n=dorin@89.123.142.3) left irc: "Leaving" [10:06] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [10:07] I have installed slackware64 13.0 and multilib and updated with slackpkg to the new versions of firefox and seamonkey and I have NOT updated glibc or gcc. Now after rebooting my mouse and my keyboard don't work anymore in X. Can you help me? [10:08] Tirili: pgrep hald [10:08] Zordrak: OOhhh, even worse! [10:08] Nick change: Wurm -> Wurm[LinuxNewb] [10:08] How's it going slackers? [10:08] slackpower: megs?? few gigs [10:08] agentc0re: exactly.. it was accidental.. but cause he was fiddling with shit he shouldnt have been [10:09] he's being downgraded to power user [10:09] next time he'll drop to User [10:09] Zordrak: nice! block those sites! :D [10:09] after that its frigging Guest for him [10:09] Zordrak: BOFH!! [10:09] I'm unable to get a laptop to boot Slackware install CD. See error image: http://home.flash.net/~stanne/Boot-error.jpg [10:10] helenia- (i=alone@41.236.13.217) joined ##slackware. [10:10] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.14.98) left irc: Nick collision from services. [10:10] Basically it says "RAMDISK: cOMPRESSED IMAGE FOUND AT BLOCK 0 [10:10] Nick change: moh2a -> mohaa [10:10] do you know he called me at home after work while i was in Beer Time to help get him on a temporary account because of this(!!) [10:11] and you made sure the cd is not corrupt? [10:11] "RAMDISK: incomplete write (-28 != 32768) 16777216 [10:11] crc error [10:11] usr13: bad CD [10:11] Zordrak: I thought so too, but tried 12.1 and 12.2 and they all do the same. [10:12] diven (n=diven@64.79.213.171) left irc: "<3" [10:12] doesn't matter what you tried, did you verify cd integrity? [10:12] Zordrak: Maybe a bad spot on the RAM? [10:12] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [10:12] _bruno_ (n=bruno@189-29-245-109-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:12] bad spot on ram is what you gave missyjane for her copy/paste problem, dude! [10:12] usr13: vaguely possible but less likely than other explanations [10:12] I wish I had another stick of RAM, I could change it out and see. [10:13] Zordrak: What else then? [10:13] bad cd drive.. bad iso.. bad bios [10:13] 3 different CDs show same errors. [10:13] same iso? [10:13] ^ [10:13] Ok, I would believe bad CD drive. [10:13] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-245-109-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:13] Nick change: _bruno_ -> _bruno [10:13] same user burning them [10:14] many possibilities [10:14] mancha: I've used 12.1 and 12.2 for numerous installs. [10:14] so the cd has been used successfully before? [10:14] so I seriously doubt it's bad CDs [10:14] mancha: Yes [10:14] Wurm[LinuxNewb] (n=celestia@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left ##slackware. [10:14] i prefer to USB or PxE boot the installer myself... then mount a source [10:15] I've not used 13.0 yet, but the other two yes. [10:15] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:15] This machine has only 128 meg of ram. [10:15] It is an older laptop with 10.0 on it. [10:16] usr13: will it boot any other linux based CD? [10:16] Wanting something newer. But I'm thinking I'll have to settle with souping up 10.0 [10:16] systemrescuecd for example [10:16] Zordrak I don't know. I'll see... [10:17] this is fraptastic.. go-oo refuses to compile becaust it wants me to set QTDIR to point to Qt4 [10:17] initrd too big for ram? [10:17] macavity: you understand how crazy you are, for trying to compile openoffice? :) [10:17] there are two things wrong with this: a) for Qt4 it is called QT4DIR, and b) i just exported QTDIR=$QT4DIR, and the bonehead still blows up [10:18] thrice`: i am about to hit them with a shit load of bug repports [10:18] thrice`: that is the only way we get this situation fixed [10:18] When I boot directly into runlevel 4, I cannot show you pgrep hald, because I have no keyboard. When I boot into runlevel 3 and log in with a user, I can still type in startx, but when X is started, I cannot even switch to console anymore. I don't know how to show you the content of pgrep hald. What would you do? [10:19] Tirili: do you have a spare machine? [10:19] What's that? [10:19] neonflux (n=mrjones@98.97.228.6) joined ##slackware. [10:19] Tirili: if so, ssh into the troublebox and pgrep hald [10:19] It's a samsung laptop r510 [10:19] a spare machine == another computer [10:20] ah, ok. Yes, I am sitting in front of it. ;) [10:20] if you don't have another computer, schedule pgrep hald with crontab or at, then startx ;> [10:20] doesn't go-oo distribute an rpm like ooo? why not do what sbo did for ooo? [10:20] Ok, but I'll have to activate the ssh daemon first... [10:20] just tried fresco and it has errors. [10:20] mancha: because i am a stuborn asshole who dont like huge statically linked libraries [10:20] Will pastebin [10:20] macavity: on decent hardware, OOo will take a machien ~6 hours :> [10:20] thrice`: screw that [10:21] also, i might be misremembering but i thought go-oo was the fork that was bending over to get it from msft (read: adding all kinds of $crap that msft had developed) [10:21] no, go-ooo adds some decent patches that OOo is too stubborn to support [10:21] or that OOo is afraid might be patent encumbered [10:21] office 2007 stuff, for example [10:22] also, i want to build a version with --disable-gtk --disable-kde --enable-kde4 [10:22] I get the impression OOo is just a pain in the ass to get stuff into [10:22] that Brainfuck scheduler patch seems make my box just as snappy as I remeber my amiga or Beos machine [10:22] oh then some other fork added the ooxml $crap i guess [10:22] macavity: I think the gnome slackbuild guys build go-ooo from source - that might be a good starting point [10:23] i read those things quickly and have poor recall [10:23] rachael: is that bfs? [10:23] http://pastebin.com/m6e89d4a2 [10:23] thrice`: thank you :-) [10:23] I think I read about that a few days back. didn't seem too exciting [10:23] Action: macavity over and out [10:23] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [10:23] So it has to be something wrong with the CD Drive. [10:23] thrice`, yes, Con kolivas BFS patch [10:23] hi, i have know bug with kernel module video.c, this module loaded from boot sets up max value backlight, why not fix it? [10:24] i have warning on dmesg :( [10:25] rachael: you used the new scheduler? [10:25] rachael: for which kernel? [10:25] usr13: not uncommon [10:25] 2.6.31 [10:25] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "leaving" [10:26] rachael: I was tempted to do the same [10:26] rachael: It performs well? [10:26] from the benchmarks phoroenix (sp?) put up, it didn't seem that great [10:27] a slight improvement, sure, but nothing worth patching a kernel for [10:27] slackytude, for my usual irc, browsing, watching movies, sorting pictures, a bit of coding, it preformes alot better than the standart [10:28] hrm, I shall try it out then [10:28] havent patched a kernel in ages [10:28] back when I had hair [10:28] http://pastebin.com/m28d44b42 [10:29] slackytude: is that just before or after the dinosaurs became extinct? [10:29] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [10:29] a bit hard to benchmark such things, as desktop experience aint really object [10:29] objectiv even [10:29] Well, I suppose I'm going to hack around on this thing and try to soup it up. [10:29] BP{k}: cant remeber really. All I can recall njow, is that the beer sucked [10:30] New kernel, udev, .. I dono, may be a lot of work. [10:31] Wish I could do fresh install, but won't do a network boot and no usb boot so... [10:31] user51 (i=75c836f1@gateway/web/freenode/x-cferjqbthsajjngs) joined ##slackware. [10:33] kernel is 2.4.29 [10:33] Slackware 10.1 [10:33] Action: Zordrak <3 flash security warning [10:33] If I could jsut get udev working... [10:33] I'd be happy [10:33] hi i have a question , in my system there is a process->" auth" which is listening on tcp port , wat this process is for ? ??? [10:34] plugdev I guess it's called... [10:34] user51: What port is it listening on? [10:35] is the port 113 for ident from inetd prob [10:35] i gt this output "tcp 0 0 *:auth *:* LISTEN " [10:36] user51: udev with 2.4 kernel? [10:36] Zordrak: Ok, "pgrep hald" via ssh is blank - before and after startx. [10:36] gaz (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [10:37] slackytude: i m using slackware 13 [10:37] slackytude: I know, it would need to be a 2.6 kernel. [10:37] user51: sorry, tab fail [10:37] usr13: aye [10:37] user51, is Auth , you can look into /etc/iinetd.conf , it has a line there [10:37] user51: yep, auth alrite [10:38] I suppose I could build a 2.6 kernel for it... [10:38] Tirili: chmod a+x /etc/rc.d/rc.hald [10:38] Tirili: !$ start [10:38] user51: its what freenode uses to check your hostname and stuff. its kinda retro [10:38] What is this last line? [10:39] !$ is the last parameter from the last command [10:39] so it equates to: [10:39] ah, I forgot [10:39] Tirili: /etc/rc.d/rc.hald start [10:39] hrm thanks slackytude :) but wat this process is for , there was no default "auth " process running in previous version of slackware12.2 :-? [10:39] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:39] sloinn (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/x-dmrzhtulchejenkj) left irc: "Page closed" [10:39] user51: there was... [10:40] westol (n=bnguyen@118.71.188.104) joined ##slackware. [10:40] how to convert a microsoft word file to .txt? [10:40] westol: open in word [10:40] westol: save as txt [10:41] user51: [10:41] auth stream tcp wait root /usr/sbin/in.identd in.identd [10:41] thats the line in /etc/inetd.conf [10:42] Zordrak: i dont have Koffice installed. besides, i need to convert many files, so i want a console app. [10:42] westol: strings [10:42] I have start rc.hald now, but pgrep hald is still blank. [10:42] *started [10:42] start hald manually [10:43] see if it bitches [10:43] westol, antiword [10:43] use the command line from rc.hald [10:43] westol, There is wv, though I have no experience with it. [10:43] Didn't I just do that? [10:43] with /etc/rc.d/rc.hald start? Or was it just a script? [10:43] helenia- (i=alone@41.236.13.217) left irc: No route to host [10:43] open it and see [10:43] moment [10:43] yea gt that , slackytude :) [10:44] thaks [10:44] np [10:45] As an alternate choice, Slackware 10.1 includes Linux 2.6.10 (from http://www.slackware.com/announce/10.1.php) [10:46] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427638.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:46] Hm. /etc/rc.d/rc.hald is an empty file. [10:46] usr13: yeah, but I think udev was around 10.2 or 11.0 [10:47] Tirili: super-fail [10:47] you boned your system [10:47] usr13: problem is that some versions of udev only work with some kernels [10:47] How did I? I just intalled a firefox and a seamonkey update with slackpkg. :( [10:48] Tirili: youve done more than that if yfouve zeroes rc.hald [10:48] who knows what else is empty [10:48] Tirili: it shouldn't be; cat /etc/rc.d/rc.hal* | wc -l [10:48] as root [10:48] for a start.. checkj the sives in ls -la /etc/rc.d [10:48] ok, but I don't know how I have done this. [10:49] lI always had some issues with 2.6 kernels on the older versions, like a long pause when trying to log to console on them, the remote connections over ssh where snappy enough though [10:49] moment [10:49] in the quest to remove unneeded pipes, wc -l /etc/rc.d/rc.hald [10:49] jhw (n=jhw@195.180.9.202) left irc: Client Quit [10:49] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829]" [10:49] SQlvpapir (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [10:50] root@Nocturne:/home/daniel# cat /etc/rc.d/rc.hal* | wc -l [10:50] 49 [10:50] ok, I didn't think it was empty [10:51] What does 49 say? Is it empty now? [10:51] adamk: thanks, antiword is good enough for me [10:52] Tirili: 49 lines [10:52] Tirili: man wc [10:52] it says that that file has 49 lines (eg, not empty) [10:52] thank you [10:53] wc is one useful little programm [10:54] I just didn't believe your "it's empty" comment, and wanted proof :> [10:54] ok, but why does vi not show any content? [10:54] are you trying as user, or root ? [10:54] thrice`: shouldnt matter [10:55] both [10:55] slackytude: so is "w" [10:56] slackpower: aye [10:56] Why does cat work and vi not? [10:57] try another editor, like nano, as root [10:57] vi should word [10:57] make sure you didn' typo the filename [10:57] there are many things that "should" work on linux :) [10:58] 15 minutes \o/ [10:58] then I can go home [10:58] what does vi /ec/rc.d/rc.hald do? [10:58] fix my own typo there [10:59] argh How can I close joe? [10:59] thrice`: for netbook would you suggest 586/K5/5x86/6x86/6x86MX or Core2/xeon kernel option? [10:59] ok, quit it. [11:00] with the intel atom processor [11:00] vi /ec/rc.d/rc.hald shows an empty file. [11:00] fix mah typo [11:00] you know, why not start mc or sumething [11:00] vi /etc/rc.d/rc.hald <--- fixed [11:00] yes, I tried it. sorry. It's empty. [11:00] what does that mean? [11:01] whats on the screen? [11:01] Tirili, open it as root [11:01] metrofox: doesnt matter [11:01] # vi /etc/rc.d/rc.hald [11:01] ~ [11:01] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [11:01] Channel flood from Tirili -- kicking [11:01] Read /etc/rc.d/rc.hald, 0 lines, 0 chars [11:01] Tirili kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [11:01] goodbye! [11:01] LOL [11:01] Tirili (n=opera@dslc-082-083-158-026.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [11:01] lol [11:02] ;) [11:02] One line too much. [11:02] I'd say ;) [11:02] Tirili: do yourself a favor and start mc [11:02] Just ~ symbols and this at the last line: [11:02] Read /etc/rc.d/rc.hald, 0 lines, 0 chars [11:03] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:03] are you root? [11:03] yes [11:03] wth, that wrong. [11:04] wth? [11:04] what the heck [11:04] ^-^ [11:05] Do you think that this is the problem that forces my mouse and keyboard not to work? [11:05] no idea but this should not be happening with vi [11:05] try vim (not vi) [11:06] How can I quit mc? [11:07] F10 [11:07] I have a #bash there but I am still inside mc. [11:07] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [11:07] F10 activates my xterm main menu.. [11:07] throw out this computer [11:08] It's too heavy. [11:08] Tirili: CTRL-O will switch betwenn shell an mc [11:08] get some help [11:08] thx [11:08] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.135.113) joined ##slackware. [11:08] Tirili: F9 -> File -> Exit. [11:09] ok, vim says the same: [11:09] Tirili, cat? [11:09] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [11:10] hitest (n=hitest@64.114.226.226) left irc: "Leaving" [11:10] Ah [11:10] I had thought, cat would work as the only program. [11:10] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.21.164.146) joined ##slackware. [11:10] But it doesn't either: [11:11] root@Nocturne:/home/daniel# cat /etc/rc.d/rc.hald [11:11] root@Nocturne:/home/daniel# [11:11] I had thought, cat works, because this worked: cat /etc/rc.d/rc.hal* [11:11] so its called somethingelse? [11:11] ls -l /etc/rc.d/rc.hal* [11:12] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 2009-09-09 21:11 /etc/rc.d/rc.hald [11:12] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 906 2009-08-01 07:47 /etc/rc.d/rc.hald.orig [11:12] Perhaps I should rm rc.hald and mv rc.hald.org rc.hald . [11:12] ok, there you go...what process made this .orig thing? [11:13] cp /etc/rc.d/rc.hald.orig /etc/rc.d/rc.hald [11:13] My problem was: [11:13] mancha: slackpkg renames stuff to .orig IIRC. [11:13] westol (n=bnguyen@118.71.188.104) left irc: "leaving" [11:13] I have installed slackware64 13.0 and multilib and updated with slackpkg to the new versions of firefox and seamonkey and I have NOT updated glibc or gcc. Now after rebooting my mouse and my keyboard don't work anymore in X. [11:13] Tirili: did you use slackpkg to upgrade? [11:13] candice (n=candice@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [11:13] ah, and then you have to manually make your configs BP? [11:13] yes [11:14] Nick change: dive -> Q^ [11:14] How can I download all from ftp://slackware.mirrors.easynews.com/linux/slackware/slackware-10.1/patches/packages/ all at once? [11:14] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@216.23.240.13) joined ##slackware. [11:14] user51 (i=75c836f1@gateway/web/freenode/x-cferjqbthsajjngs) left irc: "Page closed" [11:14] candice: lftp(1) [11:14] ftp clients usually have mget [11:14] wget -??? _____ [11:14] lftp? [11:14] cat [11:14] mancha: That depends, slackpkg has the option to move .new files and rename the old versions to .orig. However it should not leave the orginal files as zero bytes. [11:14] candice: lftp. [11:14] Nick change: Q^ -> Quasi^ [11:15] Nick change: Quasi^ -> dive [11:15] i see, so somethign broke in this fellows upgrade process [11:15] maybe it was upgrade interruptus [11:15] candice: lftp -c "open ftp://slackware.mirrors.easynews.com/linux/slackware/slackware-10.1/patches/; mirror packages/" [11:16] Tirili: yeah, did you interup the upgrade at some point? [11:16] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:16] I don't think so. But maybe. [11:16] Tirili: and you also might want to check other files in /etc/ that are 0 bytes. [11:16] How can I? [11:16] ls -l [11:17] I'll have to read about all that bash scripting again. [11:17] this might do it: ls -l /etc | grep " 0 2009" [11:17] Tirili, just review ;) [11:18] the best way would be "find /etc -empty" [11:19] Yudha_HT (n=oc@125.161.54.243) left irc: "Bye.." [11:19] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.135.113) left irc: "Leaving" [11:19] interestingly enough this is now the second time I have heard about this. [11:22] Does ls -l /etc | grep " 0 2009" also look into subfolders of /etc ? [11:23] no [11:23] But that would be more interesting, wouldn't it? [11:23] i gave you the right command to use [11:25] Oh : [11:25] http://pastebin.com/m5666831d [11:26] those three rc files are bad news [11:27] hald, messagebus, and mysqld [11:27] seems this upgrade procedure broke your system [11:28] Ah, I didn't see your tip. Here is the content of find /etc -empty : [11:28] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD8A2FA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:29] http://pastebin.com/m3d728e84 [11:29] vantech (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: "Leaving." [11:30] well most of them are directories. [11:31] find /etc -empty -type f [11:31] that'll remove dirs from your output [11:33] but the ls output is enough i thnk, you clearly have three missing rc files that should not be missing. who knows what else is missing.... [11:33] http://pastebin.com/m2c0bbaa7 [11:34] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@216.23.240.13) left irc: "Leaving" [11:35] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.68.177) joined ##slackware. [11:35] I have had that error before after also upgrading gcc and glibc with slackpkg although havin had installed multilib. I had thought, that overwriting mulitlib was the error, but now I have it again. [11:36] I did a fresh install this time. [11:36] I don't think I have manually interrupted slackpkg. [11:37] wish there was a way to get upgrade-all to work with slackware 10.1's slackpkg [11:38] Well, there probably is, but I just don't know it. [11:40] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [11:40] Zosma (i=jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:40] kde 3.5.10 from slack 12.2 work fine under release 13.0 [11:41] lol [11:43] adamk (n=adamk@c-68-45-151-98.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:44] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:47] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:47] nheco (n=nheco@189-10-226-31.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [11:52] spooge (n=spooge@173-18-193-232.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:52] fsteim (n=pedro@189.35.67.193) joined ##slackware. [11:52] fsteim (n=pedro@189.35.67.193) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [11:52] Nick change: powtrix -> exe2tgz [11:52] can any one try out *texi2html* on terminal [11:52] Nick change: exe2tgz -> powtrix [11:53] gaz- (n=gaz@xvm-12-22.ghst.net) joined ##slackware. [11:53] seem like its missing , is it so ? btw i'm on 13.0 [11:54] linXea (n=e@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:54] linXea (n=e@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:55] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:57] did any one try to build qemu on 13.0 ? [11:57] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.72.71) joined ##slackware. [11:58] im testing it [11:59] slack64 guest on slack64 host [11:59] init[1]: Yeah, I've built it on three 13.0 machines from slackbuild. [11:59] adamk: did it complain that it can't find texi2html ? [11:59] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [12:00] Hmmm, it did on one of my machines. [12:00] I figured I had somehow screwed up my PATH and added /usr/share/texmf/bin to it and it worked. [12:00] and what did you do ? disabled the documentation ? [12:00] oh [12:00] estevao (n=estevao@189.115.217.189) left irc: "Leaving." [12:01] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [12:01] designs703 (n=designs7@pool-173-79-180-78.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:02] adamk: than you that was the whole point ;-/ [12:02] thank you ^ [12:02] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:03] No problem :-) I then made sure that in my .bash_profile, I no longer over write the default PATH, but just add stuff to it :-) [12:04] adamk: ok i question [12:04] s/i/1./ [12:04] did you build it as root ? [12:04] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:05] i think the problem is with *su*, unless we do "su -" the paths are not set, [12:05] estevao (n=estevao@189.115.217.189) joined ##slackware. [12:05] when i tried with su - it didn't complain [12:06] init[1]: I built it as my user, but with sudo. [12:06] designs703 (n=designs7@pool-173-79-180-78.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [12:07] adamk: seem like root user has " /java/bin:/usr/lib/kde4/libexec:/usr/lib/qt/bin:/usr/share/texmf/bin [12:07] in the PATH and normal user doesn't [12:07] ping TwinReverb [12:08] init[1]: I do. [12:08] init[1]: And I didn't add it. [12:08] sorry my mistake , it does have , using *su* screwed it up [12:10] adamk: can you try this please [12:10] simple run of *su* , and echo $PATH [12:12] It's not there. [12:12] yes that is the problem , [12:13] reason why i don't like *su -* is that it jumps to /root , rather than being in current directory [12:14] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-jnxssflwddukuyom) left irc: [12:16] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. 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[12:26] lspci doesn't show the device [12:26] lsusb prob [12:27] v4nelle_ (n=Nelle@adsl192-19.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:28] $ /sbin/lsusb | grep -i webcam [12:28] Bus 007 Device 002: ID 05a9:a511 OmniVision Technologies, Inc. OV511+ Webcam [12:28] rachael: yes seems to be where it is located thx [12:28] oldest creative webcam [12:28] powtrix: mine doesn't show up like that [12:29] slackpower, how yours return? [12:29] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.72.71) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:30] i just did an lsusb -v and looked [12:31] it shows as Lenovo Easycam [12:31] EasyCamera [12:31] v4nelle_ (n=Nelle@adsl192-19.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:31] made by Bison Corporation [12:32] description details [12:32] i see -v [12:32] v4nelle_ (n=Nelle@adsl192-19.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:33] jinro (n=jinro@c-67-186-216-208.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:42] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) joined ##slackware. [12:43] http://pastebin.com/d7fce9b9d [12:43] please could anybody check this out and tell me if the /dev/sda3 partition is really mounted or not ? cause $df can't see it [12:43] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.68.177) left irc: Connection timed out [12:43] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl72-46.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:43] legendulo (n=RF@92.84.8.32) left irc: Client Quit [12:44] it has been formatted at the installation time and said to be mounted to /home/lisak ...but there was nothing in fstab then and when I added it manually, it still doesn't work after reboot [12:45] hrad, you could also type "mount" and get a list of the mounted files systems [12:46] may I try to mount a partition to the /home/lisak when I'm copying there data ? [12:46] it's really not mounted [12:47] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) left irc: "leaving" [12:47] Tirili_Laptop (n=opera@dslc-082-083-158-026.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] mount /dev/sda3 /home/lisak <-- what does this do? [12:48] ^ cd out of /home/lisak [12:48] ^ ...before you try it [12:49] root@darkstar:/home/lisak# mount /dev/sda3 /home/lisak/ [12:49] mount: No such file or directory [12:49] Nick change: cybErpunk_davi -> cybErpunk [12:49] and /dev/sda3 exists and /home/lisak as well [12:50] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.8.32) joined ##slackware. [12:50] and doesn't matter if I go away from /home/lisak when I'm mounting it [12:50] really weeeeird [12:52] ls -ld /home/lisak [12:52] hrad: Sure you you have the correct device in mind? [12:52] macman_ (n=macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [12:52] hey all .. i'm using gparted to parition a hdd and i keep getting an error .. i did a chkdsk on the hd and it passed .. what could be going on ? [12:53] omg [12:53] it was only writable [12:53] not readable [12:53] what's the error? and I'm assuming you use Slackware? [12:53] I swear that I didn't touch that after installation :) [12:53] hrad: :) [12:53] really [12:53] health [12:53] on my healts [12:54] im using gparted [12:54] im actually booted into gparted [12:54] gparted/live cd [12:54] gotta go, thanks [12:54] I think that might be something wrong with adduser and its "do you want to chown your ... [12:54] hrad (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/x-lbnvqqoqmddlncbe) left irc: "Page closed" [12:54] gparted has worked for me hundreds of times [12:55] macman_, perhaps try irc.gnome.org #gparted [12:55] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.21.164.146) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:55] hrad, later [12:55] ok jinro [12:55] I have now just replaced the empty files with their related .orig files and my laptop works again. [12:55] flvr (i=0@host-93-182-19-84.real.kvidex.net) joined ##slackware. [12:55] nobody there jinro [12:56] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-067-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:56] uhmm [12:56] guys [12:56] i've just installed slack and logged in [12:56] but [12:56] no graphic interface? (please don't laugh) :D [12:56] jinro (n=jinro@c-67-186-216-208.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: ""brb"" [12:57] what did i do wrong?` [12:57] rainland: You mean no gui? [12:57] :O [12:57] yes [12:57] jinro_ (n=jinro@c-67-186-216-208.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:57] rainland: Have you created a user account yet? [12:57] yes [12:57] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [12:57] Hello! [12:58] hello [12:58] rainland: have you edited /etc/group to afford premissions to things you need? yet...? [12:58] hmm no [12:58] neonflux (n=mrjones@98.97.228.6) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:59] vim /etc/group and add yourself to a few lines there, (before you login to gui). [12:59] rainland: Have you set up your system to boot up to runlevel 4 in /etc/inittab ? [13:00] no :D [13:00] rainland: Or use your favorite eidor [13:00] :O [13:00] ok i'll try, thanks [13:00] macman_ (n=macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left ##slackware. [13:00] rainland: You can go to runlevel 4 manually for now. telnet 4 [13:01] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-66-120.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:02] Tirili (n=opera@dslc-082-083-158-026.pools.arcor-ip.net) left ##slackware. [13:03] Nick change: v4nelle_ -> v4nelle [13:03] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-067-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:03] rainland: You'll want to add yourself to groups: disk audio video plugdvd scanner cdrom [13:03] I think [13:03] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-66-120.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:03] rainland: Can you do that? [13:04] If you need to go to gui first, you can just run telinit 4 [13:05] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-067-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:06] Tirili_Laptop (n=opera@dslc-082-083-158-026.pools.arcor-ip.net) left ##slackware. [13:07] ok [13:09] also, gpasswd is better to add yourself to groups :) [13:10] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-245-109-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: [13:10] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [13:10] evenin [13:10] hello humans [13:11] what a nice assumption [13:14] samuelig (n=samuelig@73.pool85-57-132.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [13:14] nimrod_ (n=nimrod@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [13:14] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [13:18] hello humans and dogs... [13:20] woof woof [13:21] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [13:22] hello noman [13:22] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [13:22] i meant Nigromante [13:23] :P [13:23] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-245-109-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:24] how can I find what is not allowing me to unselect an option in the kernel? [13:25] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:25] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:25] well... you could do a make mrproper and blank it all out and start fresh [13:26] No_Klu: No [13:26] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.135.129) joined ##slackware. [13:26] there really isn't a way; which module? [13:26] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:26] hi [13:26] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-68-216.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:26] <|alisonken1churc> you would (almost) have to view the options for the package lists to see which depends are involved [13:26] candice (n=candice@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:26] broadcom netextreme !! support [13:26] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:27] s/!!/II [13:27] ] [13:27] geez [13:27] nirox (n=nirox@pc108-232.ktv.no) joined ##slackware. [13:27] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [13:28] After i did upgrade on a couple servers with slackroll to current im getting error on apache/httpd. "(22)Invalid argument: alloc_listener: failed to get a socket for (null)" [13:29] is slackroll officially supported? >.> [13:29] Doing a google search and i find out Fedora have same problem. Its something about apr is wrong version [13:29] why aren't you using slackpkg? [13:30] Well, dont think its slackroll causing the problem. But i can remove packages and install them via slackpkg or installpkg [13:31] jigp (i=allan@securabit/listener/jigp) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [13:31] slackpkg would have made sure the package versions matched [13:31] slackroll does too, i'll provide support via PM [13:31] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.8.32) left irc: "Leaving" [13:32] gaz (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:33] earth (n=earth@adsl-69-110-89-248.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [13:33] hey does eny1 here know if airpwn works in wpa networks [13:34] i don't use slackroll, so... [13:34] :P [13:34] I used swaret untill it got "broken" when switching to .txz [13:35] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC0217C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:35] spooge (n=spooge@173-18-193-232.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:35] spooger (n=spooge@173.18.193.232) joined ##slackware. [13:35] darlek (n=xfgvbsx@212.183.134.67) joined ##slackware. [13:36] ive fucked up installing my bootloader ....can i use slackware disc to reinstall lilo ? [13:36] yeah [13:36] darlek, yep [13:36] how [13:36] please [13:37] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:37] it's actually in the boot messages [13:37] when you boot the cd [13:37] yep [13:37] "in case of repair..." something or another [13:37] root=/dev/hda or something like that [13:38] you have to give boot options [13:39] which device [13:39] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC0217C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:39] http://mirrors.vbi.vt.edu/mirrors/linux/slackware/slackware-13.0/BOOTING.TXT [13:39] thanks Necos [13:39] read section 1 [13:39] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc6521205.cns.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [13:40] except, you want rw instead of ro (i think) [13:40] yeah [13:41] earth (n=earth@adsl-69-110-89-248.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [13:41] to ensure maximum hardware detection during boot, use huge.s [13:45] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC0217C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:46] would that make a difference to reinstalling lilo Necos [13:46] the kernel [13:46] huge.s [13:49] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [13:51] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [13:55] is it a simple way to change the desktop from kde to xfce? [13:56] xwmconfig [13:56] That lets you choose what the default DE or WM is. [13:56] ok [13:56] thanks [13:56] nimrod_ (n=nimrod@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) left irc: "Leaving" [14:01] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [14:01] jinro_ (n=jinro@c-67-186-216-208.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:03] pwc101_ (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:03] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. 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[14:17] fred (n=fred@slamd64/fred) joined ##slackware. [14:20] afternoon.i'd like to ping my station by your hostname 'foo'.thats fine, but when i change my ip address even with dhcpd command, the server keeps my old ip address.how can i force to reset de ip? [14:21] cathectic (n=cathecti@slamd64/cathectic) joined ##slackware. [14:23] Nick change: nst_ -> nst [14:23] nst_: what? [14:23] spook: spook when i startup the system, he gets an ip w.x.y.z by dhcpd interface with a given hostname [14:24] nst: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [14:24] yep, didnt work, cause the hostname in server is referencing the old ip address [14:24] thats the problem. [14:24] explore (n=msparker@pool-173-57-72-22.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:25] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@213.13.224.95) joined ##slackware. [14:27] and i need a way to refresh it. dhcpcd -h hostname interface didnt work too [14:28] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [14:30] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [14:31] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@209.121.157.169) joined ##slackware. [14:31] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:31] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@213.13.224.95) left irc: "Leaving" [14:33] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@213.13.224.95) joined ##slackware. [14:34] nst: What is it that you are trying to accomplish? [14:34] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.21.164.146) joined ##slackware. [14:36] godling: was it you who had a netbook with slack on it? [14:36] slackpower: No. [14:36] okay [14:36] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-245-109-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: [14:37] godling: i want to ping my station by your hostname 'foo'. its ok. but when i change my ip address. the hostname keeps attached to my old ip address, not to the new one. [14:38] fsteim (n=pedro@189.35.67.193) joined ##slackware. [14:39] fsteim (n=pedro@189.35.67.193) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [14:40] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [14:40] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [14:40] nst: is there a particular reason why you have to use dhcp? why not statically assign it? [14:41] Urchlay: i tried to force to get the old one but havent successed [14:42] nst: and how does your 'server' know what the IP of that hostname is? do you use dns, /etc/hosts, or what? [14:43] I didn't think you could set up a dynamic hosts entry... [14:43] Am I incorrect? [14:43] nst: I mean, on the workstation, do not use the dhcp client. Instead, set the IP address to whatever you want it to be. [14:43] (in /etc/hosts I mean) [14:44] what is the code for changing language in xfce_ [14:44] code? [14:44] with dhcpcd -h foo eth0 i can attach the ip that have been replayed by dhcp server to FOO [14:44] i mean what do i have to do? [14:44] godling: well you *could* by way of some hackery, but no, it's not a simple option you can just turn on... [14:44] er... i think you need to change the locale settings and it will work, in /etc/profile.d/lang.*, Wunnymush [14:45] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: "Leaving" [14:45] samuelig (n=samuelig@73.pool85-57-132.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:45] rg3 thanks [14:45] like for the rest of the system [14:45] hay, samuelig was all the time here [14:45] http://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/networking/tcpip/ch09_05.htm [14:45] ok, rg3 [14:45] I *think* that explains how to fix your problem, nst [14:45] osiro (n=osiro@189.111.254.251) joined ##slackware. [14:45] nst: again: WHY are you using DHCP for a host you want to have the same IP address always? [14:45] nst: you haven't answered my question [14:46] Urchlay: there are plenty of reasons. for one, you can move between networks easier [14:46] ananke: [16:44] with dhcpcd -h foo eth0 i can attach the ip that have been replayed by dhcp server to FOO [14:46] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [14:46] hello happy slackers [14:46] not to mention that DHCP does not mean you get a random address. you can set the same IP [14:46] *nod* [14:46] nst: that's not answering my question. you're telling me about the client, not the server. are you saying you have dynamic dns set up along with your dhcp? [14:46] <_guitarman_> hi LnxSlck [14:47] hello _guitarman_ [14:47] <_guitarman_> how goes things LnxSlck [14:47] ananke: yah, there are valid reasons, I want to hear his... [14:47] _guitarman_, nice and there? [14:47] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.14.96) joined ##slackware. [14:48] cause if he hasn't got a good reason for using dhcp, ehm, the easiest answer for him is "don't use dhcp" [14:48] <_guitarman_> LnxSlck: weather is crap, but other than that, things are good. Slackware 13 is very nice. I am dreamshopping for a desktop pc for audio work [14:48] ananke: no. well, when i start the system and request a ip address by dhcp, the dhcp server always try to assign an ip address based on the mac address of my interface, but since i've reinstalled the system with slack 13, my old ip changed and the hostname "foo" keeps attached to the old ip address. [14:48] Anthony_Honstain (n=Anthony@c-98-247-67-120.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:48] Urchlay: actually, the easiest answer would be 'assign an ip to your mac address, so it doesn't change' [14:48] <_guitarman_> LnxSlck: I setup an icecast server and play music on it lately, thats also fun [14:49] _guitarman_, desktop pc for audio? you mean an apple pc ? [14:49] <_guitarman_> LnxSlck: how dare you [14:49] <_guitarman_> say the A word [14:49] <_guitarman_> ;) [14:49] lool [14:49] <_guitarman_> LnxSlck: ardour etc. [14:49] nst: did your mac address change? and you keep talking about dns, which has very little to do with DHCP [14:49] _guitarman_, that's what most of the guys yse for audio and video edit right? [14:49] ananke: in ubuntu i have an IP address, in slack i have other and zenwalk other.. [14:49] nst: what provides your DHCP leases? [14:49] ananke: depends. He talks about this "server", but he doesn't mention whether he's even got access to log in to it... [14:50] <_guitarman_> LnxSlck: I guess so - it varies... mac or windows usaullyt protools , logic or nuendo... but, only linux will do for me so whether those tools are better is mute [14:50] <_guitarman_> LnxSlck: besides, my needs are quite simple... record singing, and guitar ... program some drums,, play some bass. etc. [14:50] _guitarman_, i read a story abou a guy that moved from apple to linux for music editing [14:50] hey _guitarman_ How's it going? [14:50] fire|bird, hello my firend [14:50] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.14.96) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:50] firend [14:50] Hey LnxSlck, how are you? [14:51] damn keyboard [14:51] <_guitarman_> LnxSlck: yeah i saw that ... we talked about it on the podcast I am a co host on ... Open Source Musician Podcast [14:51] friend [14:51] <_guitarman_> hi fire|bird [14:51] HI [14:51] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.14.96) joined ##slackware. [14:51] _guitarman_, yeap. he moved to ubuntu i believe [14:51] <_guitarman_> I left slackwareo n my desktop, but I am going back to it. [14:51] is normal cryptswap does not exist in slackware13 installation? [14:51] <_guitarman_> LnxSlck: yup. exactly he did. i saw a lot of for and against comments in the slashdotted article [14:52] _guitarman_: Hydrogen for drums ;) [14:52] _guitarman_, i believe so.. but he said that ubuntu did the trick for him [14:52] so [14:52] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: yup - im all about hydrogen [14:53] _guitarman_: yeah, there's a bunch of great linux apps out there for audio. I just installed the other day another DAW called Traverso. Not sure it's on the level of Ardour yet, but it's a nice app. [14:53] Hi, guys! Can somebody help me? I put a binary file in /bin ( of the init tree ) and I wanna the script "init" execute it during the boot..... but I receive the following error "/bin/my_test not found"... the binary file is there.. I checked it! And it is executable! Any sugestions? [14:53] damn exaile keeps crashing [14:53] LnxSlck: even the old version now? [14:53] Action: LnxSlck nods in despair [14:53] heh [14:54] fire|bird, the only version that works its the older one, but it crashes [14:54] fire|bird, i'll stick with xmms, amarok and will give songbird a try [14:54] osiro: is it an actual binary or a script? [14:54] songbird is actually quite good but it's a memory hoag [14:54] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: i tried Traverso ... the flow is werird in it. I tried qtractor as well, but it wasnt my bag... Ardour is the shizzle for me [14:55] Urchlay: it's a binary! [14:55] _guitarman_: yeah, Ardour is probably the best app out there. [14:55] osiro: you should put anything you want to run during startup into rc.local [14:55] <_guitarman_> LnxSlck: VLC? [14:55] anyone know of a way to see what RTC chip i'm using? [14:55] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) joined ##slackware. [14:55] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: yup ... and alpha of version 3.0 is coming out shortly for review [14:55] osiro: and does it run OK while the system is in multu-user mode? [14:55] ardour is awesome :) [14:55] er, multi-user [14:55] osiro: What binary would you need to run at that early stage of a bootup? [14:55] _guitarman_, it's good. i use it for radio listening, i'm also the translator of it for my language [14:56] _guitarman_: yeah [14:56] it's about as close as you're going to get to Sony Acid on linux for the time being [14:56] _guitarman_, but it doesn't cut it as a full audio player, with covers, and stuff [14:56] <_guitarman_> LnxSlck: yup - its a swiss army knife... very nice [14:56] <_guitarman_> LnxSlck: yeah true [14:56] godling: Yeah, I know... but I wanna do it in init script. [14:57] _guitarman_, it's nice but not on the level of amarok, or banshee or exaile if you know what i mean [14:57] Action: deco uses mplayer cli to play his music [14:57] <_guitarman_> LnxSlck: Im not much of a fan of amarok - its so bulky now [14:57] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:57] so just add the line "/bin/mytest" to rc.local [14:57] <_guitarman_> deco: word up ... mplayer or moc [14:57] Urchlay: Yeah, I can run it without errors! [14:57] _guitarman_, i'm starting to think the same [14:57] how can i uninstall grub and install Lilo instead? [14:57] Wunnymush, grub-unninstal ? [14:57] <_guitarman_> LnxSlck: rhythmbox strikes a nice balance. dont know if there is a slack build script [14:57] and lilo? [14:57] heh, i like audacious (but that's just until xmms 2 starts showing promise) [14:57] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:57] _guitarman_: what kind of music do you play ? [14:58] _guitarman_, to much gnome dependencies [14:58] <_guitarman_> deco: singer songwriter... elliott smith, jeff buckley, beatles... [14:58] LnxSlck, yes, i'm on a trippelboot here [14:58] <_guitarman_> LnxSlck: thats the hard thing about it eh. [14:58] osiro: What binary would you need to run at that early stage of a bootup? [14:58] BP{k}: it's a binary file that do some stuff about cryptograph partition... [14:58] _guitarman_, yeap [14:59] rc.S? [14:59] <_guitarman_> truthfully thats what led me to leave slack for a bit [14:59] osiro: interesting. Is /usr a separate filesystem? Maybe /usr isn't mounted yet, but the binary needs some dynamic libs from /usr/lib [14:59] Wunnymush, i believe there's a command: grub-unninstall [14:59] _guitarman_: nice, i played guitar for 6 years but haven't played the 2 years , i played old school metal mostly :P [14:59] for 2 years* [14:59] <_guitarman_> but slack is so hard to get out of your system... its always a love. [14:59] <_guitarman_> deco: nice :) I was streaming on icecast and peeps in irc were guessing the metallica riff [14:59] <_guitarman_> ;) [14:59] LnxSlck, ok. [15:00] <_guitarman_> deco: I started out playing metal on the guitar and its still fun to play so I am with u there. [15:00] _guitarman_: sounds like fun :) [15:00] <_guitarman_> deco: you should dust off that guitar and kick out the jams [15:00] Urchlay: the /usr partition is separated in a LVM.. but my binary file is in /bin of the init tree [15:00] _guitarman_: yeah i should , linux etc.. has been taking all my time :P, [15:01] elderK (n=zk@122-57-241-160.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [15:01] <_guitarman_> deco: I so understand that ;) [15:01] <_guitarman_> deco: its almost a bigger love then music for me [15:01] <_guitarman_> deco: sadly [15:01] <_guitarman_> lol [15:01] _guitarman_: same here lol [15:01] Wunnymush (n=nimrod@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:01] osiro: run "ldd /bin/mytest" and see if any of the libraries it needs are located in /usr [15:01] Urchlay: I have no idea why init script dot not execute the program and says "not found"... I put "ls /bin" in init script and my binary file is there! [15:01] what's up with this? cp: impossible to analize «/mnt/armazem/!/MP3/Foge Foge Bandido (2008)/Lado B - Não fui eu que estraguei»: Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character [15:01] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: lmms is pretty neat as we well.. [15:01] _guitarman_: Just get all the audio apps on linux, then play the music, and then you'll have both things about the same. :P [15:02] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: yup thats exactly it. :) [15:02] yo fire|bird [15:02] _guitarman_: yeah, lmms is another good one. I have a ton of audio stuff on the PC. [15:02] hey deco [15:02] osiro: possibly the error message is misleading. Try [15:02] ldd /bin/mytest [15:02] fire|bird, how much? :P [15:02] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: yeah, i recall we talked audio before. you helped me compile patches into my realtime kernel [15:02] Urchlay: Ummm... good idea... lemme try [15:02] osiro: what version of slackware? (I am wondering if it's 64bit OS -> 32bit binary situation) [15:02] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: and I thank you for that. [15:03] BP{k}: he said the binary would run OK in multi-user mode... [15:03] BP{k}: Slack 13 - 32bits [15:03] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: I have since turned that box into a server ... its on the way out... usb ports are dying, and it started doing weird laggy things whne recording. [15:03] Urchlay: oh yeah. my bad. :) [15:03] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: so I am using my eee pc [15:03] <_guitarman_> for now [15:03] _guitarman_: i recorded a guitar demo couple of years ago you want to listen to it ? it was just in one take just for kicks [15:04] <_guitarman_> deco: I would LOVE to! :) [15:04] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.14.96) left irc: "Leaving" [15:04] _guitarman_: can i pm you the link ? [15:04] deco: actually I kind of want to hear it too... [15:04] <_guitarman_> here's a tune I been working on: http://deadbeatguitarist.com/DONTCOMEAROUNDHERE.mp3 [15:04] ok than ill just upload it media wiki for everyone :P [15:04] <_guitarman_> :) [15:04] <_guitarman_> WOOT [15:04] <_guitarman_> thx deco [15:04] _guitarman_: yeah, I started with the RT kernel stuff for the StudioS project I'm part of. :P I have Ardour, Hydrogen, Traverso, LMMS, Qtractor, JACK, Muse, Rosegarden, synths, plugins, etc. :P [15:05] _guitarman_: haha, the eee pc for audio stuff too? :P [15:05] <_guitarman_> nice... i am looking up your project [15:05] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: yeah. its sad. [15:05] hi [15:05] i mean wiki send * [15:05] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: i am looking at cheap desktops without an os locally... [15:05] _guitarman_: hahaha, that is very sad. :P [15:06] _guitarman_: hey, that mp3, is that just you? [15:06] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: i know... i dont have the money to buy one so i dont know what i'm gonna do... thats why i been streaming live from eee... cause it can do that and it hones my performance chops [15:06] damn fire|bird i have only heard of ardour, jack, and rosegarden :P [15:06] <_guitarman_> Urchlay: yup yup [15:06] _guitarman_: yeah, I know what you mean there. :P [15:06] _guitarman_, what mp3? :P [15:06] Necos: haha, well, know you've heard of a lot more. :P [15:06] Necos: (2009-09-16 14:04:36) _guitarman_: here's a tune I been working on: http://deadbeatguitarist.com/DONTCOMEAROUNDHERE.mp3 [15:06] _guitarman_: I like it... I have the urge to get out my bass and slap it some... [15:07] <_guitarman_> Urchlay: cool :) [15:07] <_guitarman_> I have another one done in ardour that im not as happy with but its here: [15:07] ok, a question for all [15:07] ugh, i didn't see that... [15:07] hm, there's a harmonica during the break, too... [15:07] <_guitarman_> http://deadbeatguitarist.com/share/bigmouth_final.ogg [15:07] i have a partition that i can't create files with special chars like á [15:08] how can i mount this partition so i can write special chars there? [15:08] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: what is this studio S project you speak of? [15:08] stew (i=1413@freenode/staff/stew) left ##slackware. [15:08] _guitarman_: fire|bird Urchlay , ok here it , it was just in one take and just for kicks so it's not all pro :P http://wikisend.com/download/264116/00 - Unknown - guitar improvisation.mp3 [15:08] _guitarman_: A project that dtanner, eviljames, and I are working on for Audio production on Slackware. It's still a work in progress, but it's coming along well. [15:09] LnxSlck: What filesystem is on it? [15:09] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [15:09] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: cool - let me know when i can take a peak at it [15:09] godling, /dev/sdb1 /mnt/armazem ntfs-3g umask=000 1 0 [15:09] <_guitarman_> deco: cool, checking :) [15:09] godling, it's ntfs [15:10] mr_patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-znbotygvdpvngmev) joined ##slackware. [15:10] _guitarman_, what was the first track link? :P [15:10] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:10] <_guitarman_> here's a tune I been working on: http://deadbeatguitarist.com/DONTCOMEAROUNDHERE.mp3 [15:10] <_guitarman_> Necos: [15:10] <_guitarman_> see above [15:10] That is interesting. I don't know, LnxSlck. The limitation is not one imposed by the file system [15:10] _guitarman_: sure thing. We have a site, it's also a work in progress, but gets worked on here and there. [15:11] Or at least it does not appear to be. [15:11] godling, maybe i need to pass some values to fstab [15:11] wow, lol, that's you singing _guitarman_? [15:11] in the ogg one [15:11] deco: hm. I don't seem to be able to either download your mp3 or play it in mplayer... [15:11] Necos: good grief, the link is pasted here three times and you lost it three times? :P [15:11] LnxSlck: can you create any file on that partition? [15:11] heh [15:11] it scrolled by too fast fire|bird :P [15:11] <_guitarman_> Necos: yeah I do all the instruments except my friend matt programmed the drums in Dont Come Around Here [15:11] Urchlay: i think i got the link let me check [15:11] and i wasn't here for the first 3 :P [15:11] Necos: Well scroll back up man. :P [15:11] godling, yes.. as long as it doesnt have any special char [15:12] Urchlay: [15:12] Urchlay: http://wikisend.com/download/264116/00 - Unknown - guitar improvisation.mp3 [15:12] Necos: lol, j/k of course. :P [15:12] Urchlay: copy the whole thing [15:12] oh. The link you gave ends in .mp3, but is actually a link to an HTML page with a download button. Got it now. [15:12] LnxSlck: That leads me to assume the partition is mounted rw. [15:12] hey precluded|alleyways [15:12] err, Urchlay [15:12] Urchlay: ok good [15:12] hmmmmm [15:12] yesterday i went out [15:12] fixed|husky [15:12] _guitarman_, good stuff, although, i'm not sure about the genre :) [15:12] acidtripper: you don't usually? [15:12] somebody know howto set country in irc? [15:12] <_guitarman_> deco: that is some rippin guitar [15:12] godling, wel i need to read it and write on it [15:12] Urchlay: hahaha, another good one. [15:12] _guitarman_: thanks ^^ [15:13] definitely has a pop feel to it [15:13] brb [15:13] <_guitarman_> deco: nice work :) [15:13] <_guitarman_> Necos: lol yeah... [15:13] i went out from pc... and i left my laptop on when i arrived where a smell in my bedroom [15:13] and pc hanged :S [15:13] LnxSlck: Yes, that is obvious. [15:13] it was too hot [15:13] Action: fire|bird proposes the startup of "The Slack Band" :P [15:13] lol wow [15:13] jhw (n=jhw@p548F7C62.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:13] we got any drummers in here? [15:13] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: sweet! [15:13] any tweak for laptop disk? [15:14] _guitarman_: now i need to practice to play like that again :P [15:14] LnxSlck: according to the documentation, that umask specification is the default [15:14] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: for a while I have been thinking of writing "The Slackware Song" [15:14] _guitarman_: It seems like most slackers are also into music/can play some instrument, so, why not. :P [15:14] in order to be fresher [15:14] _guitarman_: haha, that'd be great [15:14] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: its our fearless leader Volkerdings fault [15:14] <_guitarman_> lol [15:14] haha [15:14] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: he could make a killing selling us banjos [15:14] <_guitarman_> and his album [15:15] _guitarman_: I've still been working to learn to play the keyboard, getting there slow but sure. I'm half alright playing by ear, but I'm more working at just being able to read sheet music, get timing better, etc. [15:15] spooger (n=spooge@173.18.193.232) left irc: "Leaving" [15:15] haha, slack banjos [15:15] <_guitarman_> yeah... fire|bird tuned in slack key [15:15] actually I need a slackware sticker for my guitar case I think [15:15] The whole front part of the banjo could be the slack logo [15:15] <_guitarman_> fire|bird:cool about keyboard.. i am lost on the keyboard... [15:15] LOL [15:16] Urchlay: did you manage to download the song ? [15:16] noisy [15:16] yeah, listening now [15:16] _guitarman_: yeah, I'm working at learning it. I'll get there, slow but sure. [15:16] Urchlay: ok :) [15:16] nst (i=8f360a72@gateway/web/freenode/x-qyroujdqfcqarrbn) left ##slackware. [15:16] deco: this was one take? [15:16] Urchlay: yeah [15:16] nice [15:16] That nst was annoying. [15:16] reminds me of Satriani [15:17] Urchlay: thanks, it was just me improvising over a backing track [15:17] hahaha [15:17] _guitarman_: I have some software (windows, ugh) that has a bunch of tutorials for learning, etc. I wonder if that'd work in wine. It has ear training and all. [15:17] deco: that's pretty much how every Satriani song is written, too :) [15:17] <_guitarman_> oh thats pretty neat. u should ccheck [15:17] Urchlay: yes lol :) [15:17] _bruno (n=bruno@siw2.rc.unesp.br) joined ##slackware. [15:17] wow [15:18] deco, pretty pimp [15:18] _guitarman_: yeah, I think I will today, it'd be great if it did. If not, I guess I'll toss it in a VM, it's really nice. It was $10 at Menards a few years back. :P [15:18] fire|bird: hey, what was that "internet jam protocol" or whatever it was, that we were messing with once? [15:18] Necos: hey thanks :D [15:19] Urchlay: Ummm, I know what you're talking about, but I can't recall. I'll think about it and see if anything shows up in my memory. :P [15:19] oahong` (n=user@218.22.80.152) joined ##slackware. [15:19] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: cool a bargain is always great [15:19] _guitarman_: yeah, and I ALWAYS look for bargins. :P [15:19] my question is (for a complete guitar noob), how the FUCK do you play that fast? [15:19] lol [15:19] Necos: with practice [15:19] <_guitarman_> Necos: yup... they say play it slow then work your way up with a metronome [15:20] Necos what fire|bird said with practice :P [15:20] <_guitarman_> when u are cleanly playing it, put metronome up a bit faster and do that for a while [15:20] Action: Necos knows next to nothing about music [15:20] give me a camera tho, and i'm in business :P [15:20] Necos: Just look at some concert pianists, they can play faster than you'd think possible, but with practice, etc. you get better and faster. [15:20] Necos: it also helps not having a life lol :P [15:20] deco: lol [15:20] deco, i'm sure ^.^ [15:20] <_guitarman_> LOL! [15:21] it's true :P [15:21] deco: so THAT's why Necos doesn't know, he HAS a life. [15:21] i make a much better photographer than i do a musician lol [15:21] fire|bird: yup :P [15:21] <_guitarman_> yeah. i sucked at school in high school and had tonnes of pimples so i just stayed up late and played guitar. [15:21] no, i'm a physics major... i have no life :) [15:21] Necos: I LOVE photography :D [15:21] <_guitarman_> photography is awesome [15:21] i just have no time for anything else outside of studying [15:21] _guitarman_: lol, sounds like most every teenager out there. :P [15:21] <_guitarman_> same with physics [15:21] in highschool i would practice like 6 hours a day [15:22] _guitarman_: What do pimples have to do with playing the guitar? [15:22] i think i've whored out my flickr page already :P [15:22] <_guitarman_> deco: yup. i wanted to be james hetfield at the time - or kirk hammet [15:22] Necos: haha [15:22] _guitarman_: heh, i wanted to be yngwie malmsteen :P [15:22] malmsteen* [15:22] and i have so many photos that i need to upload, it's retarded lol [15:22] Necos: Get on one of the photo sites where you can sell your images, each sale you get part of the money. Start getting rich. [15:22] <_guitarman_> godling: i got really embarrased about it in a summer between grade 10 and 11 and I took a nasty thing called acutane which wiped them out but made them worse and made me super sensitive to the sun... so i just stayed indoors and played guitar for a good chunk of that summer [15:22] blackorca (n=blackorc@174-152-34-93.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [15:23] oneoneoneoneone (n=webchat@68-244-141-33.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [15:23] blackorca (n=blackorc@174-152-34-93.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:23] blackorca (n=blackorc@174-152-34-93.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [15:23] fire|bird, nah... i do it for fun [15:24] but just for reference, www.flickr.com/photos/teddy_c/sets ^_^ [15:24] Someday I hope to have a nice DSLR. [15:24] the fireworks stuff was FUN!!! [15:24] _guitarman_: I knew someone who took Retin-A. [15:24] lol i shoot with a Nikon D50... almost 6yr old camera [15:25] Necos: nice photos [15:25] fire|bird: we can start a power metal band , you get to do keyboard solos :P [15:25] pi31415 (n=bcollver@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [15:25] ^_^ [15:25] lol deco [15:25] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-067-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:25] deco: haha, I have to learn it first. :P [15:25] abby (n=abby@doc-72-47-63-223.leesville.la.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [15:25] Action: fire|bird steals Necos D50. \o/ [15:26] _guitarman_: Acutane is Isotretinoin, Retin-A is Tretinoin. [15:26] _guitarman_: his skin was horrid [15:26] <_guitarman_> godling: in hind sight i wouldnt take it again - the side effects were nasty and it was nasty on the liver and who knows, it could have contributed to the challenges I see in my kids... I have no idea if it was fate or environmental factors [15:27] Necos: dang, seriously, you take awesome photos man, good work. [15:27] <_guitarman_> godling: sorry fate isnt the word i was looking for ... whats the word that shit just happens... - yeah that or environmental. [15:27] _guitarman_: Wikipedia says it is teratogenic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acutane#Teratogenicity_.28Birth_Defects.29 [15:28] _guitarman_: Perhaps you could sue someone. [15:28] <_guitarman_> godling: sigh... im afraid to click that link [15:28] <_guitarman_> godling: but i will [15:28] then don't [15:28] laptop mode configure [15:28] fire|bird: -----> http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/749/normalankkarock07img288ac3.jpg [15:28] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [15:28] does anyone know how many ounces (approx.) are in a single shot? [15:29] Google does. [15:29] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl7-61.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:29] :P [15:29] I can try to use google [15:30] 1 shot = 1.5 US fluid ounces [15:30] haha, no way [15:30] <_guitarman_> godling: nope thats not what went on with my boys... autism and adhd and cleft lip and pallate [15:30] <_guitarman_> godling: whos to know.. we just help them as best we can. [15:30] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] brb [15:31] MPT fusion device? [15:32] <_guitarman_> that was a funny hpr episode on making moonshine by some of the slackware folks [15:32] HPR? [15:32] <_guitarman_> godling: hacker public radio [15:33] who is a irssi guru, will /reload reload the default.theme ( want to tweak something in it ) [15:33] Thanks. [15:34] <_guitarman_> godling: np - its a great podcast [15:34] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:34] Pig_Pen: hardly a guru question. :) it should, yes. [15:34] groovy! [15:35] no problem. it was the first result in Google. :P [15:35] Pig_Pen: It should, yeah, otherwise, if you make changes, just load a different theme and then load the one you edited. [15:35] gnoel (n=gnoel@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:36] deco: haha, nice. [15:36] _guitarman_: Alright, going to install wine now. :P (I have NEVER used wine, ever) :P [15:36] fire|bird: that will be you one day :P [15:36] coolbeans, it worked [15:37] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: really? it can work for some stuff [15:37] deco: Not with the long hair it won't. :P [15:37] fire|bird: what ever :P [15:37] _guitarman_: yeah, really. Surprising isn't it. :P [15:37] deco: haha [15:37] _guitarman_: The only talk 'radio' I've listened to is NPR and Off teh Hook. [15:37] *the [15:37] fire|bird: i have really short hair so np :P [15:37] Urchlay: You were right! [15:37] adding app to KDE4 Menu works except for icons. whyyyyyyyyyy? [15:37] I always cut my own hair and buzz it all down to a half an inch [15:38] osiro: eh? missing shared libs from /usr/lib? [15:38] same here [15:38] deco: OHGODYWHY? STOP COPYING ME. :P [15:38] why would you guys keep clipping your hair like that? It's just going to grow back... [15:38] adamk (n=adamk@c-68-45-151-98.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:39] testing %: newline [15:39] fire|bird: hahahha [15:39] Urchlay: im lazy to take care of it when it's long [15:39] I let it grow out a bit, then cut it. So, like every month in a half or so [15:39] Urhlay: Yeah! Now I have other problems... but its algorithm problem.. just some errors! Thank you for your help! [15:39] Pig_Pen: you could /j #Pig_Pen and test there. :) [15:39] When my hair grows past my ears to the point I basically have built-in ear muffs, it's time to cut it. :P [15:40] osiro (n=osiro@189.111.254.251) left ##slackware. [15:40] fire|bird: you get princess leia hair? [15:40] lol [15:40] hahaha, no, but it grows long and covers my ears somewhat, gets annoying. :P [15:40] keeps your ears warm though [15:40] jhw (n=jhw@p548F7C62.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:40] u must be cute litl boy fire|bird :p [15:41] Urchlay: in the winter, yeah sure does. [15:41] pupit: haha, I'm 24. :P [15:41] hahahha [15:41] ooo yeaaah :D [15:41] _guitarman_: sweet, I already got the deps for wine. [15:41] fire|bird, so young? [15:41] eh, 24 is young I guess. :P [15:41] I'm a little older... [15:41] fire|bird: im that age too.. [15:41] fire|bird: now all the creepy guys are going to come out of the woodwork. way to go. [15:41] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: thats cool about having the deps [15:41] godling: lol [15:41] <_guitarman_> lol godling [15:42] i am done testing, i just seen something in the doc i wanted to try once, apparently it did not work [15:42] anyone know what are the best ports to block for file sharing [15:42] mmm... Yeah but I'm the youngest [15:42] jeev: as in p2p? [15:42] metrofox: how young? [15:42] fire|bird, 14... [15:42] yea pi31415 [15:43] dang, alright metrofox, you win. :P [15:43] Say it louder! [15:43] ahahaha [15:43] jeev: many p2p clients use high port numbers that can also be innocently used by other applications [15:43] there is also a chemical called p2p [15:43] jeev: you can cause network problems by blocking them [15:43] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [15:44] Any wget guru's here. I want to download just one certain url with folders (they're slackbuilds) but wget keeps going up into parent directories, etc. and I don't want that. Would I use like -l1 or something? [15:44] greetings mancha [15:44] fire|bird: -np [15:44] Action: pi31415 creeps back into the woodwork [15:44] aka --no-parent [15:44] Urchlay: cool, thanks. [15:44] oneoneoneoneone (n=webchat@68-244-141-33.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:44] Urchlay: I was reading the man page, but nothing caught my eye, I suppose I missed that option. Thank you. [15:45] re [15:45] hrmf [15:45] you could hit / in the man page and search for parent, that'd work :) [15:45] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-185.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:45] Urchlay: haha, yeah, didn't give that a thought. :P [15:45] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427638.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:46] jeev, ya bastid [15:46] eat my shorts [15:46] no bart [15:47] who would do that? lord knows where they've been. [15:47] oneoneoneoneone (n=webchat@68-244-141-33.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [15:47] edible shorts [15:47] ewww [15:47] not what your sister Vivica Fox said to me [15:48] [ in bed ] [15:48] if vivica fox was my sister, well... yeah... [15:48] :> [15:48] i'd still bone her :P [15:48] that's nasty [15:48] you make people like obama look bad [15:48] Necos: hahahaha [15:48] it's vivica fox! [15:49] I like how Obama called Kanye West a Jackass. :P [15:49] lol [15:49] i wanna see that [15:49] i just heard about it [15:49] lol [15:49] really? [15:49] yeah [15:49] no video [15:49] after what Kanye did at the VMA's [15:49] just audio recording [15:50] i do not watch MTV but yeah i seen that clip of kayne west taking the mic away from that chic, and obama is right that dude is a jackass [15:50] jeev: yeah, somewhere out there might have the audio clip. [15:50] find it! :) [15:50] Pig_Pen: yeah, he was very disrespectful. [15:50] Check TMZ [15:50] It was cool after what Beyonce did though, give Taylor a chance to thank who she wanted to thank. [15:51] beyonce is sexay! [15:51] i like Beyonce she is both good looking and has a pretty voice [15:51] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:51] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop." [15:51] Necos: and also married. :P [15:51] sloinn_ (i=4e888d05@gateway/web/freenode/x-xzfsuxxmzrkjekml) joined ##slackware. [15:51] fire|bird, also married :( [15:51] like BRITNEY SPEARS! [15:51] i dont watch that mtv shit either [15:52] Necos: but, if you'd bone your sister (Vivica Fox) I guess marriage won't get in your way. [15:52] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:52] yeah, i have to figure out how to deal with that problem :) [15:52] Tirili_Laptop (n=opera@dslc-082-083-158-026.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [15:52] any idea why there is a memory: line in ifconfig with some address space ? [15:52] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:52] Necos: haha, and a big problem that is. :P [15:52] only 'cause he's in the public purview... [15:52] who is that chic that does that song? "Falling" sort of a bluey sounding song? [15:53] i hear it on the radio on occasion [15:53] Alicia Keys? [15:53] yeah, Alicia Keys [15:53] she can sure sing [15:53] Is Alicia Keys a singer? [15:53] yes [15:53] and she's hot as hell [15:53] she's not that hot [15:53] calm down [15:53] lol [15:53] shit, you haven't seen smoking aces :P [15:53] Necos: how hot is hell? [15:53] burn your skin off hot ^_^ [15:54] lol [15:54] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=712cMG7DYY0 this one [15:54] Necos++ [15:54] ahah [15:54] she is a hottie too [15:54] if you've seen smoking aces, you'll know what i'm talking about [15:54] Nick change: g88keys -> g4tt0 [15:54] ^_^ [15:54] I don't like that kind of music, sorry ^_^ [15:54] it doesn't matter, that's why there's a mute button [15:55] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl7-61.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes!" [15:55] i like most music, i just dont like rap & disco, but blues, soul, jazz are great, i love it [15:55] Necos, ahah [15:55] ^_^ [15:56] i want Sim Copter 2009 or something [15:56] someone make Maxis create it [15:56] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host76-56-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:57] lol [15:57] Pig_Pen, here in my city if you don't listen to "house music"(that's not music) you're an unknown kind of human begin... [15:57] house music is gay [15:58] house music? whats that? [15:58] is anybody usign sshfs ? why after I move stuff to the remote mounted place (via wires) and want to copy it away on the remote host then, it goes the same speed as it went via wires before, but there is nothing going to the network [15:59] i like blues, soul, jazz, some classic rock, just a very few country & western songs [15:59] jeev: actually the DJ for the local college radio station's house music show, calls himself "the house fairy", and thpeakth with a lithp... [15:59] Pig_Pen, house music is a really common kind of music played in the discos where stupid people dance it, you now... That kind of guys who live only for their "look"... [16:00] in Italy we call them "truzzi" or "tamarri" :D [16:00] haha, they just showed on the news, at a baseball game, a guy caught a ball, gave it to his daughter (maybe 4-5 years old) and she threw the ball back. :P [16:00] sounds like disco [16:01] brb, i gotta fix my messed up irssi config [16:01] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:01] Pig_Pen, yes, anyway here if you don't listen to that kind of music you won't be part of them, and seen that people here listen to it you won't be part of the city, luckily :D [16:02] Pig_Pen has left the channel. :D [16:02] Fusion MPT device support. I'm guessing I probably don't need that on my netbook kernel? [16:02] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:02] fire|bird, sure? [16:02] ahahahah [16:02] wb Pig_Pen [16:02] Pig_Pen: (2009-09-16 15:01:40) metrofox: Pig_Pen, yes, anyway here if you don't listen to that kind of music you won't be part of them, and seen that people here listen to it you won't be part of the city, luckily :D [16:02] yes I know ;) [16:02] :P [16:03] where do you live where they force house music on you metrofox [16:03] I live in Palermo... Who knows Palermo here? [16:03] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:03] metrofox: palermo italia :D [16:04] deco, yeah right!!! [16:04] but it's knows as The GodFather's city... And I live in it... [16:04] cisily? [16:04] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [16:05] *it's knowd [16:05] *known... [16:05] that island just off the bottom of itily [16:05] hmmm [16:05] sicily? :P [16:05] sicily [16:05] yeah [16:05] Necos, yeah ;) [16:06] Good place for a tourist, good beaches but bad place for me :) [16:06] metrofox: sicilia :) [16:06] deco, have you never been here? [16:07] metrofox: no lol, but i know somethings about italy etc... [16:08] positive things, I guess :) [16:08] metrofox: of course :) [16:08] we won't mention the mafioso... >.> [16:09] nostra familia :P [16:09] hahaha [16:09] Necos, :) I every day see "mafioso", and it's not a good thing... [16:09] bah, kde had a 4.3.68 folder on the mirrors but it's empty. :/ [16:09] speaking of Italy, the Italian mafia are being very bad boys http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/09/16/1440244 [16:09] /bin/padrino [16:09] / [16:09] fire|bird: hiding from you :P [16:10] i saw that this morning lol [16:10] Pig_Pen, yeah... And I live there -.-" [16:10] they sunk like 30-40 ships [16:10] Hopefully they'll get it uploaded soon. :D [16:10] If the folders there, it can't be to far from being there. [16:11] deco: You ever get kde built? :P [16:11] oh fire|bird, i'm on 4.3.1 already [16:11] they must be crazy or stupid, the mafia has to live in the same environment everyone else does, [16:11] fire|bird: no lol, but the temptation was too much so im trying it out on arch linux :P it's simply amazing [16:11] well, i got my 4.3.1 subset installed, i should say [16:11] Necos: good. :P [16:11] deco: cool [16:11] this time, no problems... [16:12] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@213.13.224.95) left irc: "Leaving" [16:12] just took a couple of hours [16:12] fire|bird: dolphine is so much faster... it doesn't lag when hovering over pdfs... [16:12] estevao (n=estevao@189.115.217.189) left irc: "Leaving." [16:12] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: [16:12] gnoel (n=gnoel@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:12] deco: Think that's an arch thing or just 4.3.1 is better? [16:13] fire|bird: hmmm well arch doesn't really patch anything... [16:13] I'm waiting Pat to test KDE 4.3.1 :) [16:14] heh! i am waiting for slackware-13.1 ;p [16:14] fire|bird: with nothing kde 4.3.1 was just consuming 130MB of RAM o_O [16:14] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [16:14] haha [16:14] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:14] i just downloaded the 13 dvd image last night [16:14] neonflux (n=mrjones@76.225.174.73) joined ##slackware. [16:14] Pig_Pen, why? :) [16:15] my fvwm is using 0.1 megs ram [16:15] so far i am not impressed with kde-4.x i guess i may never like it [16:15] its not pats fault, its just kde-4 [16:15] Pig_Pen: you're not the first to have that feeling. [16:16] fire|bird: i wonder why the small amount of RAM being consumed :P [16:16] Pig_Pen, I think so too, so I switched to fluxbox :P [16:17] oneoneoneoneone (n=webchat@68-244-141-33.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Page closed" [16:17] i've never liked kde, reminded me of cartoons...kde4 (judging from forums) sounds like a real flop [16:17] not sure, i did build the latest unstable fvwm 2.5.27 and it runs nicely, and handles keyboard commands better than the old stable one [16:17] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-7.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:17] Pig, have they stopped overhauling their config syntax with each version? [16:18] mostly, it seems the same [16:18] the look of the KDE4 apps is so nice [16:18] i am using my old config from 2.4.20 [16:18] mancha, I still consider it a project that should grow up... [16:18] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:18] metro kde you mean? 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[16:19] Action: deco can't live without konsole [16:19] metrofox: i think they will never grow up so long as they keep trying to assimilate every fad redmond cooks up [16:19] heh, i use urxvt [16:20] Necos: does it have split views and tabs ? :P [16:20] mrxvt-0.54 is pretty nice, sakura is a decent terminal too [16:20] i don't want split views and tabs :P [16:20] deco, have you tried xfce's terminal? that has all that flare (tabs, etc) [16:20] wtf are the nepomuk services [16:20] deco: urxvt has tabs [16:20] mancha: i hate it :P [16:20] it costs me more than 150% of runtime [16:21] i use borderless, tabless stuffs [16:21] agris (n=agris@213.226.141.123) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:21] netwolker (n=netwolke@151.53.30.203) joined ##slackware. [16:21] sloinn_: Desktop search [16:21] mingdao: but no splitviews [16:21] it is like a steam bath here today, warm, humid and raining constantly [16:21] I know, but kinda CPU killer [16:21] basically i need a terminal that letse me have splitviews when editing html and css at the same time [16:21] a terminal is not a reason to run a de [16:22] deco, that makes sense [16:22] deco, sounds like what most people use editor buffers for, ala emacs and vim [16:22] or you could use an editor that supports split views natively :P [16:22] pi31415: Necos yes but too lazy to right now :P [16:23] ctrl+x 2 :P [16:23] sloinn_: You can disable it. :P [16:23] in emacs, IIRC [16:23] what's the xfce's terminal name? [16:23] fire|bird: I don't have enough runtime for that :) [16:23] emacs doesn't really work well with xterm , the keyboard bindings are messed up [16:23] Terminal [16:23] metrofox: just terminal [16:23] actually, what the heck does the "desktop search" search for? [16:23] if only terminals really were terminal [16:23] fire|bird, what a name! [16:23] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@213.13.224.95) joined ##slackware. [16:24] sloinn_: KDE Menu, System settings, Advanced, Desktop Search, and disable it. :P [16:24] it's like the irony of Final Fantasy 13 [16:24] LnxSlck: wb :) [16:24] couldn't KDE just use the same database that the "locate" command uses? [16:24] not enough metadata [16:24] locate only builds a list of paths [16:24] I'm trying it now, not bad really :) [16:25] i believe the index engine in KDE also stores info about filetype, etc. [16:25] oh, kde is actually reading enough of each file to identify it by MIME magic, and/or extract stuff like ID3 tags? No wonder it eats so much CPU... [16:25] Urchlay: for desktop search? No, the kde search stuff indexes everything in /home and gets file type info, allows for searching the content of files, etc. [16:25] / [16:25] Necos has an emachines [16:25] i don't use KDE tho :P [16:25] i only use the PIM apps [16:26] Necos: what do you use ? [16:26] s/emachines/emac/ [16:26] deco: openbox [16:26] fire|bird, that's a low blow [16:26] jeev: so... ? :P [16:26] i would hang you if you said i used a mac! [16:26] fire|bird, i can't create a folder é or á in a partition [16:26] fire|bird, i passed the locale option to fstab.. but nothing [16:26] openbox [16:27] k [16:27] LnxSlck: Hmm, that's odd. [16:27] fluxbox is my fav wm [16:27] fire|bird: it sounds like something that either ought to default to "off", or else when you first fire up KDE, it should make you choose whether to enable or disable it, with some text explaining the pros and cons... for all I know, it already does that [16:27] yes [16:27] LnxSlck: possibly your LANG environment variable disagrees with what's in fstab? [16:27] i hate metadata and file extensions, whats so hard about first opening an application and pointing it at a file, as opposed to a bloated desktop environment with included file manager and clicking on files [16:28] blackorca (n=blackorc@174-152-34-93.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:28] Urchlay: yeah, it's enabled by default and indexes based on cpu usage at the time, when you're doing something else that's intensive, it goes idle. [16:28] Urchlay, my locale is set to pt_pt.utf8 so is the locale on fstab [16:28] mmm, I don't like my bashrc anymore... [16:28] Pig_Pen: the only thing "wrong" with that would be if each application used a completely different-looking and -acting file browser dialog (which would not be the case, if all your apps were KDE apps or all Gnome apps) [16:28] Pig_Pen, well, it has some advantages... but the metadata is getting out of hand [16:29] yes, especially metadata [16:29] you know what would be cool [16:29] there is something really wrong in the 64bit slackware....I thouth the HD speed up to 10 MB/s is because of sshfs, but it is the maximum I can get [16:29] a mod for apache that limited downloads w hen configured for X amount 95th percentile [16:29] or the fact that you are navigating a group of related files which are not in the same format at all, and don't want to fire up the correct application by hand [16:29] file extensions are not so bad, just a filename. with a three letter extension filename.txt [16:30] anyone else had problems with k3b continuing forever after 100% complete? [16:30] I do OK with stuff like... cd ~/mp3/black_sabbath/volume_4; mpg123 *.mp3 [16:30] during burning a dvd. [16:30] i have black sabbath's first three [16:30] sloinn_: maybe you don't have dma active, check with hdparm [16:30] I don't think volume 4 was actually the 4th album, even... [16:31] anyone got early 80s alt rock mp3's? [16:31] plain black sabbath, paranoid and master of reality [16:31] or late 70s? [16:31] lots [16:32] is it remotely browsable? [16:32] jonsmith1982: i have the same problem :/ [16:32] wertik_msk (i=500@89-178-153-96.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "Leaving" [16:32] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [16:33] jonsmith1982: one way to fix that is to use the kde 3.5 one -_- [16:33] rg3: hdparm -d /dev/sda > HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device [16:33] http://pastebin.com/d5bfa2f2f, nope but you can see this [16:34] ok [16:34] anyway, what I was saying... I've got everything organized in a way that makes sense to me (mp3///01-whatever.mp3), so the metadata isn't really important unless I somehow get a mis-named file [16:34] I think I understood why people prefer to use the keyboard rather than the mouse, it's much easier when you're drunk... [16:34] heh [16:35] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:35] Pig_Pen: what the... what did you use that sorted it like that? [16:35] Z to A [16:35] VampX (n=orlandol@190.141.36.191) joined ##slackware. [16:35] sloinn_: er, maybe sdaparm [16:35] how do i tell whether my computer can run slack64? [16:35] VampX (n=orlandol@190.141.36.191) left irc: Client Quit [16:35] its all organized by artist & album, that is just a paste of a quick & dirty ls -r ./* [16:35] proc/cpu* [16:35] sloinn_: sorry, sdparm [16:36] i hate metadata and file extensions, whats so hard about first opening an application and pointing it at a file, as opposed to a bloated desktop environment with included file manager and clicking on files [16:36] http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2009/04/15/9549682.aspx [16:36] Quiznos: will that tell me whether my motherboard supports 64bit? [16:36] what's that ccfreak2k [16:36] if the cpu is 64bit then it can [16:36] hi pi [16:36] A possible answer to his question. [16:36] o [16:36] deco, went to check input/output of growisofs with ksysmon, that died but k3b suceeded straight after that. [16:37] jonsmith1982: good [16:37] Quiznos: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/proccpuinfo-flag-lm-358563/ [16:37] I'll be right back :) [16:37] Quiznos: the last post says "sounds like you may have a 32-bit only motherboard" [16:37] E: url too long :) [16:37] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.182.252) left irc: "Minni vaiu!" [16:37] ok [16:38] the lm cpu flag denotes 64 bit capability [16:38] aka long-mode [16:38] ccfreak2k: why did you show me that, now i feel stupid ;p [16:38] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-7.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:38] heh [16:39] hey fire|bird, you use FF right? [16:39] the empirical test would be to try to boot a 64-bit install CD/DVD and, if it boots, you are able to run 64-bit slackware :) [16:39] mancha: so there is no such thing as a 32-bit only motherboard? [16:39] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.182.252) joined ##slackware. [16:39] k3b shoud be called m3c [16:39] Action: metrofox is back [16:39] yay [16:39] :) [16:39] Action: Necos stabs metrofox [16:39] pi, eh? [16:39] Necos: lately I have been, yeah. [16:40] do you have okular set as a plugin? [16:40] m3c=make 3 coasters [16:40] then that leaves only, file extensions and a text mode file manager like mc if you want speed and effeciency (unless you want to sacrifice all those pretty desktop icons [16:40] Necos: not in FF, no. I have adobe acrobat installed, so FF is using that. [16:40] fire|bird, damn it, don't tell me that! [16:40] lol [16:40] fire|bird: why do you use adobe ?:P [16:41] mc is excellent [16:41] deco: I had been using it because it was the only thing that would print decent, not cutting the bottom part of the page off, etc. [16:41] when it's not munged by pseudo-maintainers messing it up [16:41] fire|bird: ah ok [16:41] so now i see metadata is only as bad as you let it get, i bet the slowest part is what is drawing the desktop & icons for each file within file managers [16:42] yep Pig_Pen [16:42] Pig_Pen: what do you use as a file manager ? [16:42] mc doesnt use icons [16:42] you can make konq mimic mc style file management [16:42] mc is my favorite, when i just gotta use a gui i use rox, but on rare occasions i fire up konqueror (kde-3.5.10) [16:42] kool [16:43] the only thing that pisses me off in mc is there's no way to select multiple directories [16:43] or i don't know it [16:43] you have to select manwilly [16:43] kongueror + okular + terminal view :D [16:43] the new 13/mc however has changed that feature [16:43] KP-* selects all files and drs [16:43] dirs [16:43] what's that Quiznos? [16:44] what what? [16:44] mc [16:44] KP? [16:44] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [16:44] keypad [16:44] i can select multiple files by file extension but never figured out directories [16:44] try shift + [16:44] Pig_Pen pre-slack13 allowed only manually dir select (but see mc's find) [16:44] so just hitting *? [16:44] INS to select [16:44] oda (n=oda@labmap.ime.usp.br) joined ##slackware. [16:44] yea, KP-* selects all fies [16:45] files; KP-- delsects on mask [16:45] IrquiM (n=irquim@176.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:45] you can do *jpg or *whatever [16:45] yes [16:45] but does that work for dirs? [16:45] or * -*tgz to get all files but tgz [16:45] not pre-slack13 [16:45] oops [16:45] not directories that i know of [16:45] kp sequences work on 13/mc [16:45] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.21.164.146) left irc: "Leaving" [16:46] but 13/mc * also selects dirs also [16:46] that's one of the things changed by the new maintainers [16:46] interesting! [16:46] nods [16:46] but i prefer 4.6 mc or older [16:46] force of habit stuff [16:46] hehe [16:47] i rolled my own 4.6.2 with custom colors (changed that blue background to black_ [16:47] brb [16:47] nods [16:47] brh [16:47] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:48] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. 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[16:54] ok, this time, I have to admit that I'm probably drunk [16:54] rg3: could you please take a look ? http://pastebin.ca/1568873 [16:54] Action: fire|bird hits Camarade_Tux with a beer bottle. [16:54] oahong`` (n=user@124.14.3.251) joined ##slackware. [16:54] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.46) joined ##slackware. [16:55] fire|bird: ^^ [16:55] rg3: 10 MB/s is really scary...moreover it takes a lot of CPU [16:55] Action: omnipotentduo grabs the bottle from fire|bird [16:55] fire|bird: have something to eat? ;) [16:55] i was gonna finish that [16:55] lol [16:55] Camarade_Tux: nope [16:55] omnipotentduo: :P [16:56] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: "Leaving" [16:56] sloinn_: sounds like dma is not active, or the modern equivalent of dma, however it's called [16:56] fire|bird: ='( [16:56] win 7 [16:56] baj [16:56] rg3: I think I activated it in bios [16:57] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [16:57] oahong` (n=user@218.22.80.152) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:57] bah, I usually never drink without eating first [16:58] Camarade_Tux: you want some mushrooms ? [16:58] CGI858 (n=44f48d21@68-244-141-33.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [16:58] deco: lol :P [16:58] adamk (n=adamk@c-68-45-151-98.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:58] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-185.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:58] deco: dude, he is drunk, the last thing he needs is shrooms. :P [16:59] fire|bird: i want him to see tux running in his room :P [16:59] hopefully it's gonna wear off soon [16:59] deco: :P [16:59] deco: better yet, tuz riding pink elephants [16:59] Tirili_Laptop (n=opera@dslc-082-083-158-026.pools.arcor-ip.net) left ##slackware. [16:59] fire|bird: grrrrr tuz it's not cute :( [17:00] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [17:00] Camarade_Tux: beer or wine ? [17:01] deco: ok, ok, tux it is. 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[17:13] Nick change: omnipotentduo -> omni_away [17:13] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [17:13] omni_away kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [17:13] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:13] hi all! Is that possible, after than I downloaded slack13dvd iso's from different mirrors, during the dvd writing the process fails? I tried to burn the disc on different hardwares too [17:13] what may wring with me? [17:13] This is not the first time to do it!!! [17:13] sounds like the burning process, don't tell me you're using k3b [17:13] omnipotentduo (n=ray@unaffiliated/omnipotentduo) joined ##slackware. [17:14] k3b [17:14] Nick change: omnipotentduo -> omni_shop [17:14] yeah [17:14] there you go [17:14] mancha, isn't k3b good? [17:14] k3b is changing names to m3c (make 3 coasters) [17:14] k3b is the worst piece of crap out there [17:14] mancha, what to use then? [17:14] mancha: what prefer? [17:14] growisofs [17:15] mancha: k3b uses growisofs as i know. [17:15] mancha, that doesn't have a gui ? [17:15] incorrectly [17:15] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-88-36.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [17:16] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [17:16] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:16] let me know a link to use growisofs from console! [17:17] man growisofs [17:17] pi31415: :) [17:19] i think it is cute how puppy linux aliases the man command to do a search in the web browser [17:19] offline documentation is so passe [17:20] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:20] that would be a royal pain if no internet connection was available at the time [17:20] agreed [17:21] a question because of the safety: If the md5 checksum is correct and I can mount the isofile with mount -o loop: that's seems to be correct, isn't it? [17:21] yes [17:21] _guitarman_: Well, 2 outta 4 are working in wine. :P [17:22] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: hey cool :) [17:22] _guitarman_: One of the most important ones is the one that isn't though. :P [17:22] i think it would be tricky to insert malware without changing the md5 checksum [17:23] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: :( [17:23] s/checksum/hash/ [17:23] _guitarman_: courtesy of activeX I might add. :P [17:23] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: ugh - thats a killer. [17:23] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: there are workarounds for using real windows dll's etc. [17:23] did the mac and hp-ux versions of internet explorer include activex? [17:23] maapaag, same files have the same hash. this doesn't means the same hash means the files are the same. but if you dl'd from a mirror or official torrent and the hash matches, i would not worry [17:24] _guitarman_: Runtime error 429 :P [17:24] _guitarman_: ActiveX component can't create object [17:24] fire|bird: what are you trying to run on wine ? [17:24] deco: Some apps for learning to play keyboard [17:25] fire|bird: oh [17:25] deco: If nothing else, I'll use a Windows VM, but it'd be cool to get wine going instead. [17:25] fire|bird: i never liked wine most of the stuff i wanted to run never worked :P [17:25] it's good for games i guess [17:26] _guitarman_: It's the sight reader and the Music player itself that did instal. [17:27] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [17:27] _guitarman_: wow, that's a common error too it looks like. [17:28] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.135.129) left irc: "Leaving." [17:28] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [17:28] alphad-64 (n=quassel@41.207.27.70) joined ##slackware. [17:29] systrik (n=systrik@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [17:29] blackthorne (n=bthorne@unaffiliated/blackthorne) left irc: [17:30] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:32] im truly confused with slackware's update tools! i have experience with splat-get, which probably is the almost absurd update tools ever, cuz it downgrades that packages which i install too! slackpkg is elemantry one, and swaret i have never used it before! im the one who installed his packages self but now i have 4 slackwares, and i don't have time to do this as i did before! so any suggestion? [17:32] slackpkg comes with slackware [17:32] works fine. [17:33] y0 acidchild [17:33] splat-get goes splat [17:34] slackpkg --help [17:34] acidchild: but it does nothings for missing libraries! [17:34] y0 fire|bird [17:34] inman: you still need to learn the tricks of the Slackware administrator [17:34] the ninja fu [17:34] so to speak. [17:34] inman: slackware assumes that you know what is installed on your system. [17:34] jinro (n=jinro@c-67-186-216-208.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:34] For instance, in Slackware you can "upgrade" from a high to a lower package version without problems [17:34] slackware can assume?! [17:35] inman: it also assumes that you know the requirements for each package. [17:35] damn... thats like one step to robots taking over the world. [17:35] It does! [17:35] Nick change: alphad-64 -> alphad64 [17:35] it assume's you're smart enough to figure out dependancies on your own, which is a good thing imo :) [17:35] so, the terranical robots of the future will run slackware... nice [17:35] it assumes?!?! [17:36] does it fall in love too? [17:36] get depressed? lonely? sad? [17:36] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [17:36] slackwares teh beast!!? [17:36] no, you need Ubuntu for that [17:36] hehe [17:36] i did it long time, but the issue is that i dont have time to this for all of 4 different slackware! [17:37] no i hate ubuntu [17:37] it is not linux! that is windows! [17:37] windows is a heartless monster [17:37] figuring out dependencies requires a) you are intimately aware with the source b) you got the reqs from a source website that documents intelligently or c) trial and error of failed installs [17:37] that ones to rape school children with microsoft certifications [17:37] gosh, I hate being drunk [17:37] hehehe my girlfriend is doing a MS cert atm, poor girl [17:37] .win 1é [17:37] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: "caindo fora!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1" [17:37] bah [17:37] i don't see inteligence as a factor here [17:38] mancha: computer says no [17:38] so if you can figure out a package's dependencies don';t think you;ll be solving the Riemann hypothesis next year [17:38] i do it all so, i make package and install it! but it takes time! so i need somethings to this for package which im not interested for, but i need them! [17:39] inman: get arch linux i guess if you don't have the time [17:39] inman, if you use a common denom architecture then you only need make one package, then deploy to the rest [17:39] <_guitarman_> inman: this is the slackware way... you are the package manager [17:39] mancha: that's so 19th century :P [17:39] archlinux kicks ass. [17:39] for lazy people like myself. [17:39] :D [17:39] acidchild: \o [17:39] :D [17:40] more slack than slack? inconceivable! [17:40] i use slackware since 2003, and i would never change to any other linux! slackware works perfect! [17:40] acidchild: im using it right now to test kde 4.3.1 [17:40] ah cool. [17:40] which is one benefit of using slackware packages, deployment. the other is to practice your bash and to get along with folks here :) [17:40] i use fluxbox on any OS :D [17:40] in soviet russia YOU! are the package manager [17:40] drink the koolaide comprade [17:40] haha [17:41] pig-pen: any experience with swaret? is that do the same as slpat-get? i mean downgrading? [17:41] how is kde 4.3? [17:41] im using xfce... [17:42] acidtripper: it's awesome :D [17:42] and i wanna give another oportunity to kde [17:42] that is fuck, dont install it acidtripper! [17:42] inman: what wm r u using? [17:42] not the same, i would trust slapt-get if used only to fetch updates or install an occasional package from a known trusted source like one of the Officially sanctioned mirrors, swaret is a dead project and there is a good reason that died [17:43] wm??? ( im not native English speaker, make it for me easier ) [17:43] inman: window manager [17:43] http://www.fearme.com/software/wiki.fossil/reportlist [17:43] 500 server error [17:43] KDE 3.5 [17:43] oops [17:43] inman: spanish? [17:43] the url is a fossil too? [17:43] no german! [17:43] ohh [17:43] inman: guten tag! [17:43] im spanish native speaker [17:43] ist hier aber nacht! [17:43] sheisse [17:44] haha [17:44] hee locoo q pasa? [17:44] ja [17:44] fossil is a combined version control and ticket tracking system [17:44] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:44] credo (n=36th@80.233.147.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:44] why kde 3.5? [17:44] acidtripper: are you from argentina ? [17:44] ajam [17:44] and slapt-get is not like debian/ubunu's apt-get, slapt-get does not resolve dependencies, it is more limited to just checking & downloading updates and if you install packages you better know the dependencies [17:44] howto set my country on irc? [17:44] yes [17:45] Same question as yesterday acidtripper [17:45] yes [17:45] but i didn't do it [17:45] My answer: explain yourself [17:45] Pig-Pen: i know about pat and the problem with swaret! but i heard that someone works again on swaret! [17:45] i went out to my girldfriend house [17:45] deco: If you perform a whois lookup on his IP address, you can see it originates from .ar [17:45] :) [17:45] godling: i didn't have to know from the spanish he used [17:45] acid, you can add this info to your irc "realname" [17:45] girlfriend¿* [17:45] i know* [17:46] you see where you put in the very erudite "gonza" ? [17:46] deco: What? [17:46] acidtripper_AR? [17:46] godling: i knew he from argentina because of the because he used rightnow [17:46] change that to "gonza be in argentina, dawg" [17:46] gonza? [17:46] im gonza [17:46] was from* [17:46] Oh. Is that why you asked him if he was from Argentina, then? ;P [17:46] why becouse? [17:46] godling: yeah lol :P [17:47] _guitarman_: \o/, got the activeX one working. :P [17:47] well ow i can set it? [17:47] godling: i guessed and i was correct [17:47] anyone have any Slackware/linux problems? I want a project. [17:47] what king of proj? [17:47] deco: I didn't have to guess. :D [17:47] godling: ha! [17:47] kind [17:47] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: wow nice work [17:47] godling: dind't have to look it up :D [17:48] didn't* [17:48] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.57.148.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [17:48] _guitarman_: now to try getting the other one working .:) [17:48] deco: But you still had to ask. ;P [17:48] and I'll be in business. :P [17:48] Pig-Pen:is it possible to prevent that slapt-get downgrade, the updated packages? [17:48] godling: yes , but his argentinian spanish was so obvious :P [17:48] godling: last time i checked, it was not easy to get vlc to build on slackware [17:48] you serious? [17:48] what is obvius deco? [17:48] vlc builds perfect first time [17:49] acidtripper: your Argentinian Spanish [17:49] credo (n=36th@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [17:49] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [17:49] acidtripper: yeah [17:49] jaja bueno pero si quiero puedo hablar bien [17:49] is some cotidian speaking [17:49] :P [17:49] on my normal user bashrc i have: alias ll='ls -la' [17:49] still that doesnt work, i have to do bash [17:49] and then it works [17:50] can someone invite the automatic shaver? [17:50] i would so put my head in one of them weird frames you use at the eye drs if it shaved my face perfectly and within 5seconds [17:50] Action: godling wishes the TCP RFC specified how to stab people over the internet. [17:50] _guitarman_: The other one still fails though, winedvm.exe (or winevdm or whatever) crashes. :P [17:51] LnxSlck: alias ls='ls -Fhs --color' works from my .bashrc [17:51] i also have it in .bash_profile [17:51] not that i know if, i have not used slapt-get much other than to update from /patches/packages from an official mirror, i do not do a lot of installing & removing packages, i pretty much settled on what i like and keep things fairly static [17:52] well, nobody knowsm howto change country? [17:52] Pig-Pen: tanx! [17:52] sabat (n=sabat@c-71-236-244-94.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:52] rc.conf? [17:53] acidtripper: What do you mean? [17:53] omin_shop: what is wrong with rc.conf? [17:53] if I am just oging to install slackware, can I get away with just downloaded the first cd for install? does the first disk include enough to get up an running base system? [17:53] changing my country, so others can se where im from [17:54] use a proxy? [17:54] people can see where you're from if they do a whois on your ip address [17:54] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:54] or do I need to download and burn all the discs [17:54] sabat: first disk is the base system yes [17:54] NO [17:54] second disk has other gui related stuff on it [17:55] sabat: you can install the second disc using slackpkg from the internet after you have disk one installed. [17:55] I have all the discs downloaded [17:55] don't install the third disc, though [17:55] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.57.148.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:55] never install the third disc [17:55] EVER [17:55] I figured, boot off the first, get base going, then I can get the rest from mount [17:55] what's the third disk? [17:56] DOOM [17:56] Anyone going to LISA this year? [17:56] sabat: sourcecode i believe. [17:56] aah [17:56] godling: have your ever tried using linux pc as wifi Access point? [17:56] acidchild, you sure those aren't discs 4, 5 and 6? [17:56] I prefer stuff I can read and understand, and code is not in that list [17:56] jinro: Localisation Industry Standards Association? [17:56] acidchild: KDE [17:56] lol [17:56] no, it's a sysadmin conference [17:56] acidchild: Large Installation System Administration conference [17:56] last time i payed attention to slackware was 10.0 :P disc 1 and 2 and the rest source. [17:57] BackSlack (n=BackSlac@76.73.16.26) joined ##slackware. [17:57] Slackware went up to six discs a while ago. [17:57] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [17:57] yes now is a dvd [17:57] Where have YOU been? [17:57] you fucking kidding? [17:57] _bruno (n=bruno@siw2.rc.unesp.br) left ##slackware. [17:57] using kde god? [17:57] acidchild: it's a USENIX conference [17:57] lool [17:57] I Still have a slackware 3.3 disk here [17:57] 6 cds?? [17:57] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:57] 3.3 came on 2 discs [17:57] six cds had source code also, only needed first 2 afaik [17:58] 1 = install, 2 = sourcecode [17:58] jinro: i see [17:58] they charging you to go? :P [17:58] You still only need one, but two and three have extra crap like KDE. [17:58] crap like kde [17:58] indeed. [17:58] =] [17:58] <_guitarman_> lol [17:58] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [17:58] *cough* [17:58] Action: _guitarman_ not a kde 4 fan [17:58] crap like kde [17:58] Action: acidchild likes chinese food [17:58] Action: godling hears echoes [17:58] I'm curious, KDE and gnome are the same thing right? [not literally, but like, the same TYPE of thing, different flavors] [17:58] im working on downgrading to slackware 12.2 to get rid of kde crap [17:59] they're both, "desktop managers" or something right? [17:59] sabat: look on Wikipedia [17:59] acidchild: yeah, it costs [17:59] sabat: plenty of opensource desktop enviroments and windows managers. [17:59] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-7.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:59] sabat: KDE and gnome are for people that like their mouse. [17:59] ya, I was just wondering what they were categorized as. [17:59] acidchild: Ginger Fried Beef, Won Ton soup, Special Fried Rice <----- part of a very healthy meal! :D [17:59] "desktop manager" is what they are right? [17:59] kde comes with some good crap but they really went insane on kde 4.3 or whatever [17:59] gnome is from venus and kde is from mars [17:59] mr_patterson: sounds good. [17:59] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left ##slackware. [17:59] BackSlack: why downgrade, just don't run KDE? [17:59] sabat: desktop enviroment i mean [17:59] and windows manager. [17:59] aah, ok [17:59] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-7.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:59] DE and WM [18:00] because i like some kde aps [18:00] they just fubared it all for 4.3 to make it trendy or whatever [18:00] so, is Enlightenment a "desktop environment"? [18:00] KDE/Gnome = DE (i believe) fluxbox, XFCE, blackbox, openbox etc etc = WM window managers [18:00] that's what I had a long time ago [18:00] wut and sabat pulls out the wheel made of stone [18:00] i wanna install kde on my arch stuff but is about 500mb to download :S [18:00] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) left irc: "Leaving." [18:00] I'm trying to catch up my knowledge, I'm so outta the loop, so much has changed in 5 years [18:00] at 1MB/s that takes 500seconds! [18:01] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host81-151-162-38.range81-151.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [18:01] oahong``` (n=user@124.14.3.251) joined ##slackware. [18:01] sabat: not a fluxbox fan then? [18:01] mm [18:01] been reading manpages, faq's, and howto's a ton [18:01] how do i go about converting you? :p [18:01] never ever that speed acidchild [18:01] xfce4 is a DE [18:01] you know 1mb per second doesn't exist [18:01] mosta 150, 200kb/s [18:01] most [18:01] as is icewm [18:01] acidtripper: eh? i _know_ 11MB/s exists! [18:02] and 111MB/s [18:02] no, icewm is a window manager [18:02] contrary to its name [18:02] and 222MB/s after trunky [18:02] =D [18:02] downloading with desktop pc? [18:02] <_guitarman_> icewm is fun [18:02] in a normal house? [18:02] eh? [18:02] I have Gnome on this system, but it's really just a basic ubuntu install, I am just not all that hapy with ubuntu, it seems so much like WinUx [18:02] dont install kde 4!!! [18:02] acidtripper: i get 1MB/s at home these days :-( [18:02] what kinda crazyness are you talking now? [18:02] oahong`` (n=user@124.14.3.251) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:02] use to get 3.5MB/s [18:02] speed could be named 1mb/s [18:02] but it's a great base platform for me to catch up with. but I can't wait to get back to slackware. [18:02] BackSlack: http://www.icewm.org/ : "IceWM is a window manager for the X Window System" [18:03] sabat: you mean windows! [18:03] connection here is about 3megas [18:03] acidtripper: MB != mb [18:03] megas? [18:03] but downloading that speed [18:03] mega whats? [18:03] i know stupid [18:03] bytes [18:03] mebabytes [18:03] :D [18:03] megabytes [18:03] lol [18:03] your talking about 'bits' acidtripper [18:03] what the hell is wrong with you people? :P [18:03] not bytes [18:03] 10mbit = 1MB/s [18:03] Action: _guitarman_ installs icewm with sbopkg [18:03] well hmm there was some ice something or rox something that was a de besides xfce kde and gnome [18:03] but real download speed is near 150 200 kb/s from a decent server [18:03] 100mbit = 10-11MB/s [18:04] 1Gbit = 110-111MB/s [18:04] and 3mb/s? [18:04] 300kbps [18:04] :D [18:04] rox filer, run it as rox --pinboard=PIN [18:04] but it depends on server [18:04] 300KB/s sowwy [18:04] I think I'll come back when the kids have gone to bed. [18:04] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left ##slackware. [18:04] you guys are forgetting LXDE = DE [18:04] zer0byte (n=xspider@Cust95-216-iht.opticnet-bg.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] there are a lot of DEs out there, but WM are usually better for those of us that don't see our desktops often enough to care [18:04] if the server is a fucking ftp [18:04] i have fvwm, openbox, dwm & wmii [18:04] Necos: yeahh :D [18:05] if icewm supplies a startbar and deskop its a DE [18:05] Action: Necos uses openbox [18:05] thats all im going to say...and i thought it did [18:05] Pig_Pen: do you like fluxbox ? [18:05] I mees the nexstep style wm's... those were pretty neat. [18:05] i bounce around, one day i use dwm, another day wmii, the day after that openbox, and later fvwm, [18:05] yeah, flux is cool [18:06] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host81-151-162-38.range81-151.btcentralplus.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:06] zoztrix (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:06] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC0217C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:06] screen shot time! [18:06] post your eyecandy filled unusable desktop screenys NOW! [18:06] there are a few in here that have turned fluxbox in to a work of art = fantastic looking desktops [18:06] i think ill stick around while all the kids havent gone to bed [18:07] lol [18:07] acidchild: i like mine useable...i just use xfce and then any other app i need..some kde stuff too except how the bastardized everything for kde4.3 catering to the dumbed down masses version [18:07] I never used WM's much for more than running multiple terms at the same time, and having a flashy irc client... I loved bitchx back int he day tho. [18:07] dude icewm is totally a DE http://www.lynucs.org/?icewm [18:08] see im right again! yay [18:08] go me [18:08] ZmAY (n=borut@89-212-225-234.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [18:08] BackSlack: computer kinda has to be useable for me [18:09] i totally kick athhhhhhhhh [18:09] i use terminals out the ass...and thats most of it [18:09] there are some themes that make ICEwm look exactly like win9x, and other themes like WinXP and there lots of themes that make ICEwm look better than anything microsoft ever did [18:09] lol, my mouse started going nutz, I couldn't figure out what was up, a hair got stuck in the little "eye" of the mouse, was really whacking it out. [18:09] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:09] http://www.flickr.com/photos/38156902@N03/3927408510/sizes/l/ [18:10] my ugly desktop! :D [18:10] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC0217C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:10] mentr (n=Hey@195-240-212-157.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:10] Pig_Pen: how compatible are these? i mean probably to many programs didnt work with these or? [18:10] less pubes more mousy action [18:10] with them! [18:10] pretty minimalist it seems. [18:11] but still well done, nice and clean design [18:11] it works! [18:11] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:11] acidchild: did you know you can disable the crappy bookmarks toolbar in firefox [18:11] i dont care enough? [18:12] mentr_ (n=Hey@195-240-212-157.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:12] i also put my url bar and buttons and such on the same line as the file menu...so its only one big toolbar [18:12] did you know you can packet inject based on regexp based filters with netfilter? [18:12] :D [18:12] does amarok 1.4 work on slack 13 (64bit) [18:12] no one else is gonna post any geek porn, wow u be borin' [18:12] http://imagebin.org/64146 same old desktop [18:12] mr_patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-znbotygvdpvngmev) left irc: "Page closed" [18:13] did you know i am your father? [18:13] marble statues? [18:13] I liek the bg pigpen [18:13] salvador? [18:13] I recognize the artist, but the name escapes me [18:13] Pig_Pen: which one is this? [18:14] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host81-151-162-38.range81-151.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [18:14] looks kinda salvador dali but.. i don't think it is. [18:14] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host81-151-162-38.range81-151.btcentralplus.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:14] im not doing anything interesting on my desktop now so screenshot is pointless [18:14] that is fvwm, with a customized ~/.fvwm2rc [18:14] MC Escher? [18:14] yeah' [18:14] reptiles is the name of that piece [18:15] ya [18:15] psyklops (n=cy@64-195-119-27.dtb.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:16] I saw a guy with the "mirrored ball" painting tattoo'd on his head. [18:16] i still have the slackware einstein wallpaper that seems to have disapeared from the net [18:16] that was weird [18:16] http://gallery.slackmagic.com/ <----- still the same for me and fluxbox ftw! :) [18:16] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.46) left irc: [18:17] i got over the whole transparancy and no edge terminals pretty quick [18:17] its a bit buggy [18:17] xterm -bg black -fg white [18:17] sloinn_ (i=4e888d05@gateway/web/freenode/x-iidodemrpobjphcc) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [18:17] zer0byte (n=xspider@Cust95-216-iht.opticnet-bg.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:18] http://ubuntard.com/ [18:19] credo (n=36th@80.233.147.119) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:19] what a waste of a domain name. [18:19] anyone remember that gentoo zoom zoom faster site [18:19] now _that_ was funny [18:19] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:20] elderK (n=zk@122-57-241-160.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: [18:20] ubuntard has good stuff [18:20] Catch Phrase: “Oh, you need to clear your firefox profile. Just rm -rf ~ /.mozilla and you’ll be good to go.” (Ed: Notice the space after ‘~’) [18:20] hahahahahahah [18:21] oh god its that anti-semite kid >:[] [18:21] oh god, it's that person who uses anti-semite as a threat, keep off topic discussions out of here. im not an anti-semite [18:22] eh? [18:22] it was a joke [18:22] jeev, you still haven't called verizon yet, have you? :P [18:22] i invented the off-topic comeback. dont steal my shit noob [18:23] vantech (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [18:23] BackSlack, how about you stop it right now before an op kicks you? [18:23] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@90.47.205.30) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:23] meh [18:24] necos, no [18:24] goddamn it jeev :P [18:24] the phone sucks man [18:24] tour could grope my ass [18:24] i <3 my tour [18:24] ok right now, im craving sugar.. but i wont have any [18:24] sucks to be you jeev :P [18:25] tourture [18:25] why? i got another blackberry on another service [18:25] i've heard some fun stuff going on with ATT and tethering [18:25] alienBOB (n=alien@h202078.upc-h.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:26] acidchild: here's my screenshot, http://xdanielle.deviantart.com/art/Desktop-2-137069657 [18:26] maapaag (n=maapaag@moria.kefo.hu) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:26] acidchild: it's totally l33 [18:26] ^ err l33t [18:27] BackSlack: i found couple of friends/coworkers on ubuntards.com, its actualy pretty accurate :/ [18:27] congrats? [18:28] damn i just smashed a fly with tupperwear and i've never seen it squished that bad, different colored guts [18:29] MUTANT! [18:29] ATTACK! [18:29] Bio: The Graduate has been running Ubuntu since its early days, and is ready to get out. Tired of all the characters above, the Graduate is experimenting with Arch Linux, FreeBSD, Red Hat, and Slackware on his quad-core rig with VirtualBox. Nearing enlightenment, he takes a deep breath and fires up fdisk to repartition his Ubuntu drive. [18:29] Necos, read dslreports.com about what att said [18:29] they're gonna get into 7.2mbit slow and steady, cause that's what customers want [18:29] hahahah [18:30] mentr (n=Hey@195-240-212-157.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:31] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.133.38.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [18:31] jeev, i meant, the 3g network [18:31] where is an icon for xchat located? i've looked all /usr and can't locate one [18:32] my buddy tethered his iphone and got ~2Mb/s [18:32] so [18:32] their 3g network sucks too [18:32] /usr/share/pixmaps/xchat.png [18:33] BackSlack: thank you [18:33] /usr/share/WindowMaker/Icons/XChat.png /usr/share/icons/oxygen/48x48/apps/xchat.png [18:33] t0f: are you talking about the status icons? (ie: voice/op/etc) [18:33] no, the launcher [18:33] k [18:34] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-68-216.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:34] ZmAY (n=borut@89-212-225-234.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:34] its called locate -i xchat|grep share [18:35] firedix (n=firedix@host33.190-230-62.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [18:36] or you could just do a find /usr/share -i xchat [18:37] /usr/share/WindowMaker/Icons/XChat.png is a cool one, thanks [18:38] Anthony_Honstain (n=Anthony@c-98-247-67-120.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:39] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [18:39] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:41] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:43] DeiBellum (n=DeiBellu@c-98-230-14-7.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] gonna watch x-men origins. have fun you non-conformist conspiracy theorist nerdlings! [18:46] nimrod_ (n=nimrod@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [18:46] Nick change: nimrod_ -> Wunnymush [18:46] BackSlack (n=BackSlac@76.73.16.26) left ##slackware. [18:48] how can i turn on cups printing server system? [18:49] ncgty (n=gty@189.74.141.179) joined ##slackware. [18:49] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:49] /etc/rc.d/rc.cups start (and, so it starts each time the pc does chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.cups) [18:50] thanks, fire|bird [18:50] you're welcome [18:50] lol, http://i26.tinypic.com/a3lgew.jpg [18:51] oh god no more of those please [18:51] that one is actually quite good. its like a recursive meme! [18:51] lol [18:51] explore (n=msparker@pool-173-57-72-22.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:51] haha [18:51] One of the forums has about 8 pages dedicated to just kanye in the De-motivational Poster thread [18:52] something awful? [18:52] no, just too much [18:52] no, i meant the website =) [18:53] ah, no bit-tech.net [18:53] cmaiolino (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: "Leaving" [18:55] hello [18:56] hi [18:56] how is everyone doing? [18:56] Action: edman007 slaps fire|bird [18:56] not bad... studying ODE's.. blech [18:57] hi [18:58] Wunnymush (n=nimrod@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:58] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.133.38.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: [18:59] kayne is really getting around since that music award thing, i bet all is personal friends are going to give him hell for it [18:59] well the president did already.... [18:59] Pig_Pen: what did he do ? [19:00] called him a jackass [19:00] let me find a vid [19:00] aah nvm [19:00] vantech (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: "Leaving." [19:00] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:01] Action: deco doesn't know because he is not into pop culture [19:01] Action: DeiBellum only knows because he reads the news [19:01] i cant, youtube has been flooded with rants about kayne from video bloggers [19:02] Pig_Pen: so what did he do ? [19:02] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:02] he stole the mic from a girl giving her speech and dissed her video saying beyonce should have won [19:02] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: "Saliendo" [19:02] DeiBellum: :O [19:03] DeiBellum: thanks btw [19:03] deco, np :) [19:04] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:06] he's an ass [19:06] oh so that's why obama called him a jackass [19:06] even his apology was idiotic [19:11] then on Leno last night he tried to blame it on him being sad that his mother had passed away not long ago [19:11] willca (n=quassel@67.171.42.234) joined ##slackware. [19:11] quasar: yeah, excuse after excuse [19:12] willca (n=quassel@67.171.42.234) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."). [19:12] He has an excuse for it all [19:12] Action: fire|bird kicks edman007 [19:12] ow [19:13] how are you doing? [19:13] excellent, thanks. you? [19:14] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [19:14] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [19:14] slackboy, i think you should keep that ban [19:14] cooking takes a long time :( [19:15] yeah, seems longer when you're hungry. [19:15] ramen noodles takes about 3 minutes in the microwave :D [19:15] lol [19:15] lol [19:15] hotpockets take even less time :P [19:15] quasar: once the water is boiling, it's about 3 minutes on the stove too. :P [19:16] DeiBellum, pop tarts say "2 seconds" [19:16] lol [19:16] pop tarts for dinner then! [19:16] but then you have to wait for the water to boil.. and I'm impatient and have ADHD so I just stand there staring at it and yelling "BOIL DAMN YOU!!!" [19:16] hahaha [19:16] you know it helps by adding energy to the water when you do that! :P [19:16] "oh look, chicken!" [19:17] I've never cooked them in the microwave, I always cooked them on the stove. [19:17] *chicken not included* [19:17] mr chicken is hiding in the oven [19:17] I haven't used the stove to cook them since the day I moved out of my mother's house :) [19:17] water is made of hydrogen and oxygen, it should burn like rocket fuel [19:17] Pig_Pen, even put a lite match/candle in the microwave? [19:17] quasar: make a stove that causes water to boil instantly [19:18] fscking awesome [19:18] hmm... I think its possible [19:18] and if you put a clear pyrex glass over it the whole glass will fill with a buzzing fire ball [19:18] edman007: you've tried it I assume? [19:18] yea [19:19] there are youtube vids of doing it too [19:19] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Fui embora" [19:20] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXFavGMtoG8 [19:21] inman (n=aligp@p579B501B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving." [19:21] Action: deco only knows how to cook sausages to make some yummy hotdogs [19:22] I think the sad part is, is that i actually understand the concept behind the fireball that is produced :( [19:22] edman007: holy crap. :P [19:26] pi31415 (n=bcollver@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: "peace" [19:27] Is there anyway to measure total IO wait time per block? [19:32] slackpower: I have no idea. Why do you feel the need to measure that? [19:32] edman007: no, i never put a match or candle in a microwave, i did put a CD in one once it got all sparkly [19:32] slackpower: Most drives these days already check for bad blocks just as part of firmware, so you shouldn't need to detect them using some userspace tool. [19:33] slackpower, what do you mean "per block"? it has almost nothing to do with the block, the I/O wait is mostly related to how related it is to recent queries to the I/O subsystem [19:34] Pig_Pen, everyone does that...what about paper backed foil? i did that once...bursts into flames immediately [19:34] Action: Alan_Hicks has never put strange stuff into a microwave. [19:35] no, the wife does not want me doing stuff like that, she says it makes the food taste weird [19:36] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.16) joined ##slackware. [19:37] Alan_Hicks, well for me the paper backed foil was an accident, i had a grinder i was heating up and i forgot about the metal [19:40] nositelicense (n=nositeli@cpe-67-49-45-203.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:40] paissad-hp (n=paissad@134.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:43] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:44] No_Klu (n=guru@76.5.140.90) left irc: "Leaving" [19:45] systrik (n=systrik@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:45] now that was interesting... [19:46] a user can't belong to more than 16 groups without getting a "getgroups: invalid argument" error [19:46] epaphus (n=unix3@190.10.68.228) joined ##slackware. [19:46] Hello, anybody know how I can establish a cron to run every minute , every day bewteen 18hrs to 5am ? [19:46] edman007: Alan_Hicks: thanks I was just asking for someone else. [19:46] i'll let them know :) [19:46] (root belongs to 16 groups in slackware 13, but I had accidentally included a duplicate netdev line in /etc/group, which counted as a 17th group...) [19:47] epaphus: Something like * 18-05 * * * foo.sh may work. [19:47] marchhare (n=marchhar@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:47] epaphus, read the man page [19:47] but you may need to do 18-23,0-5 [19:47] i don't know if you are allowed to cross the day boundry with ranges [19:47] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:48] /proc/sys/kernel/ngroups_max says 65536 groups are allowed, I suppose the limit of 16 is hard-coded into some binary (/bin/sh or /bin/login or such) [19:49] oneman (n=oneman@c-69-137-158-194.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:50] ...and /bin/su as well: stracing it shows: getgroups32(16, 0x805ddc8) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) [19:51] though, any idea why I might be getting 'i801_smbus: probe of 0000:00:1f.3 failed with error -16' in dmesg? [19:52] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-135-113.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:52] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC0217C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:56] slackpower, Isn't that a chipset error? [19:57] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.182.252) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:58] i think it has to do with sensors [19:59] hmm... well i know that the i801_smbus is apart of the intel southbridge driver [19:59] which controls the hard drives, usb, etc [20:00] ah nvm, you are right with the sensors.. [20:00] well, i built into the kernel and not as a module [20:01] well have a look at this: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/6761 [20:02] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [20:03] for detect-sensors I get Using driver `i2c-i801' for device 0000:00:1f.3: Intel 82801G ICH7 [20:03] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] FATAL: Module i2c_i801 not found. [20:03] Failed to load module i2c-i801. [20:03] i2c_i801=y in my .config [20:03] try loading as a module? [20:04] whatever is trying to initialize it is looking for a module [20:04] yes, i'll do that [20:04] I used to get the same problems with ALSA and turning all my modules to built-ins [20:04] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-135-113.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [20:06] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.182.252) joined ##slackware. [20:06] Action: metrofox is back [20:07] habaneros (n=habanero@71.250.102.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:07] epaphus (n=unix3@190.10.68.228) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:10] steiger (n=steiger@189.105.37.156) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:11] Action: Quiznos never leaves [20:11] not by choice anyways [20:11] heh [20:12] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:13] KillerV (n=unlimite@bhe201062219054.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:14] jinro (n=jinro@c-67-186-216-208.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:15] DeiBellum (n=DeiBellu@c-98-230-14-7.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:18] booya!! [20:19] Any of the other admins out there just absolutely hate it when your users play musical chairs, move to another pc and then play dumb like nothing happened or even worse, Move the PC? [20:19] well, making i2c-i801 a module stopped the sensors-detect error, though I still get 'i801_smbus: probe of 0000:00:1f.3 failed with error -16' in dmesg [20:20] agentc0re << What's wrong with that? Report the computer stolen. [20:20] i think it may have something to do with the info in your link DeiBellum [20:20] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:21] velusip: hah, can't because it still shows up on the network. we just know that it was moved from one desk to another with in the same office due to who was logged into it and the OS version. [20:21] wretched ping! [20:24] You need a siren module for your office computers. Like the one used to find the handset for cordless phones or their keys. [20:25] JJJunkk (i=spole@panix1.panix.com) joined ##slackware. [20:32] hehe [20:32] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: "leaving" [20:33] Well she tried to turn it in our face today when we asked for her IP to update a program on her machine. "It's the same as it was when you made me switch computers back with so and so"... [20:40] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-7.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:40] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:42] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [20:48] estevao (n=estevao@189.115.217.189) joined ##slackware. [20:48] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [20:50] ncgty (n=gty@189.74.141.179) left irc: "not a macfag" [20:50] vald0r (n=matt@142.162.13.224) joined ##slackware. [20:50] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.182.252) left irc: "Minni vaiu!" [20:50] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) left irc: "Leaving" [20:54] yarvin (n=yarvin@105-200-58-66.gci.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:55] I have a issue with Kdevelop on slackware 64 that im wondering if someone could try to reproduce. if I go into Kdevelop, Click Project -> New From Template, select c++ -> Qt (qmake) -> Qt4 GUI Application. It will make the project correctly, if you browser under the projects source and say click on mainwindow.ui. It crashes and segfaults :( could someone see if its happening as well. [20:55] Anthony_Honstain (n=Anthony@c-98-247-28-134.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] Action: deco how can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat [20:57] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-7.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:57] Action: deco We don't need no education!! [21:02] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) left irc: Client Quit [21:05] deco++ [21:06] hey dive, how's it going? [21:06] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:06] fire|bird, good thanks, how's you? [21:06] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:06] dive: excellent, thanks. I'm just messing with wine and some apps I got installed with it. [21:06] been coding an irc client for UT [21:06] cool [21:07] dive: unreal tournament ? [21:07] yeah UT99 [21:07] http://tinyurl.com/l47k4n http://videos.stltoday.com/p/video?id=6172583 WOW... [21:07] dive: nice :) [21:07] y0 agentc0re [21:07] paul424 (n=chatzill@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. [21:07] sup dude? [21:07] problem is I can't get it to see tab key [21:07] but enough for tonight [21:07] agentc0re: not much, just messing with wine. :P you? [21:07] neonflux (n=mrjones@76.225.174.73) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:07] chillin. [21:09] agentc0re, I updated all those build scripts for the pidgin v&v bt the way [21:09] by* [21:10] too many slackbuilds to keep track of... [21:11] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-137-1.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:11] heh, no doubt. [21:11] surrealgirl (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [21:11] hey [21:11] that's cool though. [21:11] where did my screen-configurations.xml go?? [21:12] I ate it [21:12] No i ate it [21:12] nope was me [21:12] D: [21:12] surrealgirl: do ls -a and see if it's there [21:12] no seriously :( i think i deleted it [21:12] Picture or it didn't happen. [21:12] its gone now [21:12] then you probably did. [21:12] ugh [21:12] locate it [21:12] is it vital? sensitive? [21:12] yeah locate, kfind, ls-a isnt finding it [21:12] you can copy the one from /etc [21:14] surrealgirl: it's not included in kde 4.3 anymore :P [21:14] its supposed to be in ~ right? [21:14] surrealgirl: yeah [21:14] alright [21:14] i dont see any in /etc [21:15] wait, maybe its cause i disabled that file indexer thingie [21:15] oahong``` (n=user@124.14.3.251) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:15] surrealgirl: nothing really important i deleted mine [21:15] surrealgirl: nothign happened [21:15] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:16] but i dont think i deleted mine.. [21:16] i just dont like losing things [21:16] even if its unimportant [21:16] is it in ~/.local/ [21:16] screenrc ? [21:16] Pig_Pen: shes talking about kde 4.2 [21:16] ok, nevermind [21:17] surrealgirl: did you do ls -a already ? [21:17] yup [21:17] hmmm [21:17] Anybody good with wine and seeing a cd? I've set it up in winecfg, but it still isn't working. :/ [21:18] surrealgirl: cd to .local [21:18] now what? [21:18] normally mount it and point wine at the mount point [21:18] surrealgirl: is it there ? [21:18] no [21:18] surrealgirl: it's in my kde 4.3 [21:18] surrealgirl: you want it ? [21:18] lol [21:18] i can pastbin ? lol [21:19] dive: that's what I've done. I also tried pointing it right to /dev/sr0, but no luck. [21:19] nope.. im more concerned about whether or not i accidentally put it on a local ftp >< [21:19] surrealgirl: oh [21:19] fire|bird, strange, although I haven't had to use a cd in wine for a while, that usually works [21:20] surrealgirl: than im sure you deleted it :P [21:20] or moved it [21:20] dive: Yeah, this is for a music app and it's one of those apps that needs the cd to run. :P [21:20] blah [21:20] ok [21:20] ty [21:20] np [21:20] can anyone suggest me a text editor that can open odt? [21:21] that's not OOO or kwrite [21:21] kate [21:21] ooo! [21:21] vim [21:21] kwrite [21:21] fire|bird, some sort of securom code on it perhaps? [21:21] surrealgirl: kde could have messed up and deleted your file too... [21:21] agentc0re: vim can open odt? :\ [21:21] Reticenti, abiword [21:21] dive: nope, not on this stuff anyway. [21:21] Reticenti, I think anyway.. [21:21] it can open anything [21:22] weather or not it's readable is another question. [21:22] lol [21:22] deco, more than likely [21:22] oahong (n=user@122.225.61.164) joined ##slackware. [21:22] basically I want something like windows notepad that can read, edit and save odt [21:23] wordpad* [21:23] something lightweight and doesnt suck [21:23] Reticenti: emacs ? [21:23] deco, can it edit odt? [21:23] why not try it and see? [21:23] Reticenti: don't know try it and see [21:23] rrh_ (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:23] yeah what twolf said [21:24] surrealgirl (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [21:24] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [21:24] oh yeah, i didnt install emacs [21:24] becaue vim is over 9000 times better [21:25] Reticenti: true [21:25] Nick change: welanx1 -> welanx [21:26] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.68) joined ##slackware. [21:27] hmm [21:27] there doesnt seem to be one [21:27] does xfce have a default odt editor? [21:28] nope, it defaults to ooo [21:28] that's too abd [21:28] bad* [21:29] maybe i'll write my own someday [21:29] vald0r (n=matt@142.162.13.224) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:29] blackthorne (n=bthorne@unaffiliated/blackthorne) joined ##slackware. [21:32] Wescotte_ (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:33] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:33] dive: Well, I got that figured out, but the app has errors, etc. now, so just isn't meant for wine I guess. :P [21:34] pity [21:34] I guess I'll give a windows vm a shot :P [21:34] what app fire|bird? [21:35] agentc0re: It's an app called Music Coach (for learning to play the keyboard) [21:37] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [21:39] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@96.250.220.91) joined ##slackware. [21:40] alright, so i found a wordpad like program for linux [21:40] ted [21:40] hopefully it can open odts [21:41] to quakelive or not quakelive [21:41] that is the question [21:41] indeed [21:43] aren't otd's just zipped up xml? [21:43] unzip and vim away [21:44] :wq [21:44] :q [21:44] :wtf [21:44] diven: ZZ [21:44] lol [21:44] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.185) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:44] Whether 'tis nobler in the arena to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fragment? Or to take arms against a sea of noobs, And by opposing end them? [21:44] bighead tex [21:44] bighead ted [21:45] BP{k}, nice [21:45] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:46] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-235-199.dsl.scarlet.be) joined ##slackware. [21:48] BP{k}: quake live or you can answer my questions like "How is babby formed?" [21:49] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-60-119-54.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:49] Reticenti: in three dimensions. [21:51] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:51] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] how can i delete everything in the current dir? [21:54] rm -rf *.* ? [21:54] yes [21:55] or even better rm -rf / [21:55] lol [21:55] haha [21:55] that would clean everything [21:55] yeah [21:55] EVERYTHINg [21:55] even that nasty cold you got [21:55] lol [21:55] Reticenti, just kidding [21:55] ok, but rm -rf *.* really works? [21:55] yes [21:55] yes [21:55] ok [21:55] shouldn't even joke about that command here [21:55] hah [21:55] ayeah [21:55] luckily i know that one [21:57] this cleans out my current dir, right? ":(){ :|:& };:" [21:57] hah [21:57] (dont run it) [21:57] does rm -rf *.* also get rid of hidden files and folders? [21:57] yeah, neonflux [21:58] gees i can't even run songbird [21:58] crap [21:58] ok, I always use rm -rf * and that clears out the entire directory...but never really tried to look at hidden files and folders [21:58] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [21:58] oh, no it doesnt neonflux [22:00] and rm -rf * onlt does non hidden files [22:00] /s/onlt/only [22:00] hmm [22:02] twolf: we are not in #ubuntu :P [22:03] I guess I can just stick with find . -name ".*" | xargs rm -rf {} \; [22:03] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.17.249) joined ##slackware. [22:03] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427638.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:04] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@213.13.224.95) left irc: "Leaving" [22:04] purplehaze (n=purpleha@adsl-230-236-75.chs.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:04] twolf: you could also move up one directory and remove the enitre directory. [22:05] or use mc, thunar, konqueror, dolphin etc ;) [22:05] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. 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[22:14] Nick change: slacks -> |Slacker| [22:14] slacks (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) joined ##slackware. [22:16] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:18] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:25] dioz_mio (i=test@88.241.137.137) joined ##slackware. [22:25] I LOVE LINEX [22:26] dioz_mio: sorry, this is a slackware channel, not for debian based distros. [22:27] what's that, a brand of kleenex? [22:27] gnuLinEx, or LinEx, is a Debian-based GNU-Linux operating system that uses GNOME for its desktop. [22:27] I wanted to type linux, sorry [22:28] well there's my lesson for today \o/ [22:28] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [22:28] Action: Dominian slaps BP{k} [22:28] BP{k}: You really get bored don't you? [22:28] Dominian: Why, what makes you think that? >:) [22:28] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: "I bid you farewell, Gentlemen." [22:28] hehe [22:29] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [22:32] BP{k}: start brewing if you're so bored. :D [22:33] agentc0re: heh, if I had the space for it, I would. :\ [22:34] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:35] estevao (n=estevao@189.115.217.189) left irc: "Leaving." [22:37] BP{k}: what do you live in, a mud hut? [22:38] BP{k}: you gotta have the space to at least brew one batch. [22:39] BP{k}: tell kethry she's gotta throw away some of her cloths to make room for beer. :D [22:39] Action: agentc0re runs away [22:39] mentr_ (n=Hey@195-240-212-157.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Client Quit [22:39] a Hut! We would be lucky to live in a hut! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling. [22:40] and we had to walk 20mils in the snow.. up hill and down... with no shoes [22:40] both ways [22:40] purplehaze (n=purpleha@adsl-230-236-75.chs.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:40] And then you woke up? [22:40] Dominian: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt [22:41] heh [22:41] we had to do that too, and we liked it [22:41] twolf: And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you. [22:41] in america, the kids to that to their parents. [22:42] s/to/do [22:42] BP{k}: did you walk 14 miles uphill to school in the snow too? [22:43] 14?? 30! [22:43] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:43] ah, ok [22:43] BP{k}: And if you were good you didn't get dessert. [22:43] BP{k}: bet it was uphill both ways too :) [22:44] gnubien: uphill *and* across an old indian burial ground lol [22:45] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [22:45] BP{k}: then you got another beating at school for being late [22:45] tech support "indian's" or bow and arrow "indian's" ? [22:46] westol (n=bnguyen@118.71.129.211) joined ##slackware. [22:47] agentc0re: both! [22:47] armed techsupport. [22:47] does an air conditioner need an operating system? [22:48] If you count the thermostat.. sure why not [22:48] westol: probably for some definition of OS, yes ;) but go ask Carrier. ;) [22:48] westol: some a/c's have a compute board to control stuff [22:48] westol: computer boards have been on some high end a/c's for 20 years now [22:49] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:52] westol: the less complex a system then the less parts that can break; buy simple electro-mechanical a/c without computer board if possible; they last longer [22:52] ya it's called a "swamp cooler" [22:53] when i was working in wichita kansas for a insulation company we installed some piping and insulation for a multi-million dollar air conditioning system at Boeing Aircraft that had some awesome computers controlling it by Honeywell [22:54] agentc0re: window a/c's are called window shakers :) [22:54] You can also get a x10 device to control your existing unit. [22:54] this was in the late 1990's so i imagine those computers have been replaced by now [22:54] i bet the piping and other hardware is still intact with new controlling computers [22:55] RipVanWinkle: yea, computer boards dont last long unless 'indoors' [22:56] these were indoors, but after running 24/7/365 they gotta have some miles on em [22:56] wear & tear [22:56] RipVanWinkle: yep, they upgrade they system computer boards about every 5-7 years usually [22:57] the AC system run on chilled water that is so cold it had to have anti-freeze mixed in [22:57] firedix (n=firedix@host148.201-252-186.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [22:57] 50/50 just like your car [22:57] RipVanWinkle: yep, some high rise buildings make ice at nite to chill water for cooling during the daytime [22:58] anti-freeze for the freezing unit. Brilliant!! [22:58] that air craft factory was HUGE inside, they built commercial & military air craft [22:59] right across the street from McConnel AFB [22:59] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [23:00] RipVanWinkle: big a/c systems like that need lots of computer boards to monitor and control the system [23:01] dioz_mio (i=test@88.241.137.137) left irc: "WOMEN HAVE BOOBS" [23:01] RipVanWinkle: isn't that a Boeing Factory? (or used to be) [23:01] yup, at the time i did not know diddly about computers, i just did the grunt work installing piping and insulation, the piping had to be sealed up good or the cold pipes would build up condensation and drip water and rust [23:01] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-235-199.dsl.scarlet.be) left irc: "Leaving" [23:02] yes Boeing, i guess they are still in wichita, i have not been there since about 1996 or 97 [23:02] those factory workers are lucky to have airconditioning, many don't [23:02] isnt Boeing's headquarters in washington state? [23:02] Boeing is still there in Wichita [23:02] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:03] RipVanWinkle: nope wiki says their current headquarters is in Chicago. [23:03] git6! [23:03] it was hot in those factories when we first started, they loved us when we were finishing up and the cold air started flowing [23:04] RipVanWinkle: I bet [23:04] antiwire: how goes? [23:04] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [23:04] it's going alright [23:04] learning a lot about areas which I lacked and neglecting areas I know ;0 [23:05] Boeing must have something in washington state, i seen a lot of railroad cars with washington shipping labels on them inside where they packed up parts [23:05] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [23:05] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [23:05] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [23:05] antiwire: ahh yes, the brain gets overloaded, and refreshed. :) [23:05] RipVanWinkle: I am sure they do. After all they started out there. [23:06] RipVanWinkle: http://www.boeing.com/employment/locations/states/washington.html [23:06] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [23:06] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [23:08] mingdao (n=mingdao@unaffiliated/mingdao) left irc: "leaving" [23:09] antiwire: you have a few minutes to help me out? [23:09] sure [23:09] antiwire: Well I've messed up here big time. What with moving from hostapd as my radius server, to freeradius, moving this setup to another box, formatting one box forgetting about my certs on it...etc etc etc. [23:09] oooh [23:09] Now I can't get freeradius or hostapd working again with EAP-TLS. Only WPA-PSK is working. Can I possible get your hostapd.conf? [23:09] Nick change: Wescotte_ -> Wescotte [23:09] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [23:10] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [23:10] chopp: yep, you need the hostapd.conf that works with EAP? [23:10] antiwire: yes please [23:10] k few min [23:10] awsome [23:11] antiwire: I'll be back in just a bit here myself. [23:11] Anthony_Honstain (n=Anthony@c-98-247-28-134.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:13] laters, sleepytime for me [23:13] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:14] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:14] dimm0k (n=dimm0k@pool-96-224-18-176.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:14] this is sterilized but should be pretty straight forward http://pastebin.ca/1569208 [23:14] chopp ^^ [23:15] that support *only* EAP-TLS [23:16] vvoody (n=wxj_g_sh@116.231.37.222) joined ##slackware. [23:16] vvoody (n=wxj_g_sh@116.231.37.222) left irc: Client Quit [23:16] nositelicense (n=nositeli@cpe-67-49-45-203.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:16] vvoody (n=wxj_g_sh@116.231.37.222) joined ##slackware. [23:17] actually, EAP-TLS with WPA2-AES only, not TKIP [23:18] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [23:18] Anyone know off hand how to right and left justify text in OO on the same line? [23:22] vvoody (n=wxj_g_sh@116.231.37.222) left ##slackware. [23:22] blackthorne (n=bthorne@unaffiliated/blackthorne) left irc: [23:22] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] epaphus (n=unix3@201.199.62.74) joined ##slackware. [23:24] pi31415 (n=ben@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:25] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.185) joined ##slackware. [23:27] mingdao (n=mingdao@unaffiliated/mingdao) joined ##slackware. [23:28] firedix (n=firedix@host148.201-252-186.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [23:28] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [23:31] paul424 (n=chatzill@91.207.68.2) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]" [23:32] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:32] greetings and salutations [23:32] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.207.27.70) left irc: "No Ping reply in 90 seconds." [23:33] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.207.27.70) joined ##slackware. [23:33] antiwire: thank you kindly, that should get me on the right track unless it's my certificates somehow. [23:35] greetings andarius, how are you? [23:36] salutations fire|bird, i am well. you? [23:37] andarius: excellent, thank you. :) [23:37] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [23:39] chopp: np, I have some really basic links to CA setup using the CA.pl scripts if you need them [23:39] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.17.249) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:40] http://www.codealias.info/technotes/manipulating_pki_certificates [23:42] antiwire: the URL sounds like something clandestine [23:42] it sure doesn't read clandestine [23:44] obnauticus (n=l@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:46] antiwire: ok thanks. I haven't had problems with certs before, but who knows. I'll know soon enough. [23:47] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@96.250.220.91) joined ##slackware. [23:47] psyklops (n=user@64-195-119-27.dtb.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. 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