[00:00] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-228-97.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:02] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [00:03] lf4 (n=lf4@71.199.22.31) joined ##slackware. [00:05] To use the mount command I have to be root? [00:05] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.131.174) joined ##slackware. [00:06] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@207.216.228.97) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:08] lf4: if your target is in /etc/fstab and the permissions allow it, no [00:08] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:09] aceofspa2es19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-228-97.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:09] Humm ok I'm trying to sync two folders to have the same logs. One is on my laptop the other is on my server. Any ideas that might be better then having a script to mount the networked drive, maybe FTP or something better? [00:09] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:09] rsync [00:10] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [00:11] Both machines need to have rsync daemons? [00:11] One is a windows machine the other is Slackware. [00:12] /usr/bin/rsync --delete -avz --exclude-from='/path/to/rsync-exclude.txt' -e ssh server:/some/path/ /local/path/to/backups/ [00:12] fireking (n=STRESSAD@201.86.180.11.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:12] neither have to run rsync as a daemon [00:12] which is the server? slackware? [00:13] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [00:13] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:13] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:13] Yeah [00:13] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-182-233-130.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:13] then get rsync on windows... cygwin has it [00:14] Alright :) thanks [00:14] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:14] harmattan (n=harmatta@82.158.225.16.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [00:14] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [00:15] harmattan (n=harmatta@82.158.225.16.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Client Quit [00:15] harmattan (n=harmatta@82.158.225.16.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [00:15] harmattan (n=harmatta@82.158.225.16.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:15] harmattan (n=harmatta@82.158.225.16.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [00:18] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:18] aw, damn. I think the backlight on my poor old laptop is toast :( [00:18] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:18] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:18] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:19] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.29.121) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:19] I like toast :P yummm... [00:19] not to look at though [00:19] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:19] Thats true :( [00:19] I assume the backlight is just a regular fluorescent tube, it's doing that flickering thing like overhead lights do when it's time to replace the tubes [00:20] I'm not quite sure, never actually studied the way LCD's work... hummm... I should. [00:21] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:21] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:22] harmattan (n=harmatta@82.158.225.16.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:23] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:24] LCDs use CCDs. [00:24] So, yes, it can be that. [00:24] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:24] It could also be the inverter going out. [00:24] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:24] thought LCDs didn't generate their own light, they just turn varying degrees of opaque or transparent to let the backlight shine thru [00:25] Urchlay, depends on the LCD, but most modern ones are active displays, which is what you describe. [00:25] Motoko-chan, thats not a CCD [00:25] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:25] inverter, as in the thing that turns the power supply or battery DC voltage into whatever AC voltage you need to run a fluorescent tube? [00:25] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [00:26] Urchlay, you are right, most use a florescent tube and some mirrors (and its why they are not instant on), some of the newer laptops (like all the Macs) use an LED backlight [00:26] edman007, sorry. I meant CCFL [00:26] this laptop is from 2002, maybe was made in 2001 [00:26] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:26] Motoko-chan, ahh, yea...that is used, though i'm not sure how many are CCFL and how many are just standard FL [00:26] Some laptops use electroluminescent panels. [00:27] the reason I think it's the tube going is that it used to flicker at startup until it warmed up, just like failing overhead lights do [00:27] If the display is warm to the touch, it's likely a HCFL [00:27] Well, more than warm. [00:27] Urchlay, anyways, most use some type of florescent, and they do flicker when they die [00:27] and as time went on, the warmup time got longer & longer... I just let it sit for 4 hours with the backlight on, and it still hadn't quit flickering :( [00:27] If it's gently warm, it's likely CCFL. [00:28] the bulbs are usually really cheap, but its difficult to replace them [00:28] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:28] Action: Motoko-chan nods [00:28] if it were the inverter, that's solid-state, I'd expect it to last a long time, then sudden catastrophic failure, right? [00:28] Some tubes have wires soldered to the inverter [00:28] Urchlay, not necessarily. [00:28] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:29] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:29] just getting the damn thing taken apart will be a major chore. I don't see any screws holding the lid together... [00:29] They are usually under the rubber pads. [00:29] Urchlay, no, inverters are high power devices and usually use electrolytic caps and big transformers, the caps will often dry out after a few years, and transformers can die under high voltage loads (though it *should* take quite a bit longer) [00:30] probly can buy a brand new $400 laptop that'll outperform this old junker :( [00:30] ah, electrolytic caps, the bane of my existence [00:30] duryodhan (n=dev@122.167.183.17) joined ##slackware. [00:30] The lamps are really cheap, but the labor is the difficult part. [00:30] basically it is a type of power supply, and those will die, some of the very new stuff though are going with ultracaps instead of the electrolytic, they don't dry out [00:31] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [00:31] hi.. I have a laptop.. a C2D machine, and I thought all these newer machines support frequency scaling, how do I check if this one does ? [00:31] (I've got electrolytic caps that are almost 30 years old and still work fine, but sometime in the last 10-12 years, we entered the Dark Ages, where the ancient secrets of electrolytic cap lore got lost...) [00:31] ultracap = ceramic, tantalum, something like that? [00:31] Urchlay, Capacitor plague. [00:32] Urchlay, depends on who makes it, in general the cheap ones are just that, cheap [00:32] chance22 (n=chance@99.16.138.143) left irc: "leaving" [00:32] It involved some kind of industrial espionage. [00:32] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague [00:32] http://www.badcaps.net/ [00:33] Urchlay, no, they got some new stuff where they are basically built more like a chip, and have layers of dielectric and conductor separated by a few atoms (basically nano tech) [00:33] ah, neat [00:33] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:33] Essentially, a bad formula was stolen and used for the electrolytic. [00:33] Motoko-chan: yeah, I remember when that first happened, rash of infant death syndrome in motherboards [00:33] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:33] Urchlay, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultracapacitor [00:34] I had to mobos fail to that. [00:34] but if this were caused by that, it shouldn't have lasted all these years (it would have been dead long ago) [00:34] Both MSI, both years out of waranty. [00:34] Action: Urchlay makes a note: the space bar on this keyboard needs fixing [00:34] And both were repaired free of charge. [00:34] nice [00:34] One was replaced with a better model, one was recapped. Only had to pay for shipping to them ($5) [00:34] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:35] Urchlay, no, the problem is the electrolytic use a fluid that MUST be sealed in and stay in, sometimes they get hairline cracks near the seems and it will leak out over a few years [00:35] aceofspa1es (n=sgtevans@d207-216-228-97.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:35] edman007: does the fluid not wear out after many years of use? [00:35] It seems genuine Rubycon caps are the best. [00:36] (I mean, putting current through it, causes some sort of chemical change, no?) [00:36] Urchlay, yes, but slowly. [00:36] The two causes I have seen are bad fluid and over-filled. [00:37] Many overfilled ones were used in the PMac G5 [00:37] Urchlay, the caps are essentially a rusted peice of metal, the metal is one conductor, the fluid is the other (so its a fluid that acts as a wire, and does not react to current), the rust like material acts as the insulator, they just stuff the metal in a tube and pour some liquid in with it [00:38] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:39] they are high density because the rust like stuff is easy to make really thin, you don't have problems with the plates touching and such, but the fluid is not perfect, and does conduct, so they have lots of current leakage [00:39] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:39] yeah [00:39] I knew they leaked current [00:40] everything I know about electronics is 20-25 years out of date though [00:40] (the fundamentals don't change, they haven't repealed Ohm's Law, but the details are fuzzy) [00:41] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yu46jf2AF4&feature=related [00:42] Action: edman007 clicks, looks at title, and closes [00:42] edman007, oh its rather entertaining :) [00:42] Action: edman007 should really be doing homework [00:43] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:45] reposto (n=unknown@gateway.geodesic.com) joined ##slackware. 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[00:50] that brew house is insane [00:51] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [00:51] they knew they were going to run out of IPA so they took a just finishing batch of brown ale and dry hopped it. [00:51] holy shit. [00:51] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [00:52] help, i can`t find the jdk in slackware 12 [00:52] look in extra [00:52] fireking: in extra/ [00:52] on the media [00:52] no need to look, just install it [00:52] thanks.. [00:53] damn it you better look [00:53] men look [00:53] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:53] nullboy, only if it has tits [00:53] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:53] actually, a question about extra/ [00:54] now that the distribution media is a giant DVD, why doesn't the installer list extra/ along with the other package directories? [00:54] because those are for the inquisitive only [00:54] standard sheeple need not know [00:54] duryodhan (n=dev@122.167.183.17) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:55] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [00:55] Urchlay: if you do a full install, that might install things 1) you don't need 2) could introduce nasty/suprising results [00:55] BP{k}: hm. There are nasty things in extra/? [00:56] it's not really nasty, just things with a specific role [00:56] extra/goat_pr0n_collection-1.0-noarch-1.tgz? [00:56] Urchlay: no not nasty. but think what happened if you installed: linux-2.6.27.7-nosmp-sdk/ [00:56] or something like that. [00:56] ah, I didn't know that was in there... [00:56] Action: agentc0re checks /extra [00:57] .. mines missing Urchlay. wtf? [00:57] not to mention pasture/ [00:57] pasture/ isn't even on the DVD, is it? (haven't got one handy to check) [00:57] yes it's there in my -current rsync mirror [00:58] Urchlay: usually if there are extra kernels they appear in extra. Granted nothing "horrible" will happen in the way of loosing data, but extra is just for those inquisitive enough to figure out what they need [00:58] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:58] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:58] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:58] yeah... I guess really I think of specifically the jdk as something that ought to be installable during the initial install [00:59] BP{k}: i think we've both said these same lines before...deja vu [00:59] like it ought to be in d/ (but then the jre package would conflict if someone installed both I suppose) [01:00] you can install both, it's just that most people won't need the jdk [01:00] for example, bootchart, requires both [01:01] well, a java developer (which I used to be) might wonder why he did a "full install" of this new OS and doesn't have javac [01:01] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.132.25) joined ##slackware. [01:01] fireking (n=STRESSAD@201.86.180.11.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: [01:01] good point [01:02] I've actually heard an earful of russian-accented cursing recently about that very point :) [01:02] almost like ubuntu lacking all dev tools [01:03] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:04] hi fellas, what does xfce4-cpu-freq-plugin call when you try to change governors via it? [01:04] price is right, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqk1-q8gXcY&NR=1 [01:04] it probably works directly with proc or sys [01:04] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [01:05] wtf is up with aspect ratio in that video? my player hosed, or is everyone in it actuall 12 feet tall? [01:05] yes. [01:05] ;) [01:06] cus it does nothing,maybe it c\an be change to call directy echo ondemand > ...governor [01:06] but from where? [01:06] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:07] hm, and the girl is left-handed [01:07] agentc0re lol [01:08] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:08] heh, bob barker is losing patience [01:08] agentc0re omfg [01:09] agentc0re she wrote and R lmfao [01:09] How in the hell, she is so lucky but wow. "You already used the 1, see" [01:09] an [01:09] haha [01:09] that was gnarly [01:09] I love how many times the crossed out what she wrote. [01:09] and then bob sits down at the end. [01:09] hahah. [01:09] "here are the 5 numbers. write it down now." [01:09] dude. [01:10] haha [01:10] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:10] bob barker is the most evil man in the world [01:10] he probly had to change his depends, during the commercial break [01:10] I can't stop laughing.. too funny., [01:10] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [01:11] they turned off his mic [01:11] that is the best thing i have ever seen. thank you for that [01:11] he wasn't talking into the mic for a minute [01:12] wonder if she even knows how to drive? :) [01:12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMCFRElyaCc&feature=related hahaha [01:12] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:12] and the cheater. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QezIBLK5WHg&feature=related [01:12] haha. [01:13] man that car was the 6v too [01:13] she doesn't deserve it [01:13] v6 [01:13] nullboy: She probably crashed it driving it off the lot. [01:13] hahahaha [01:13] lol : http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs-en/TabsvsSpaces :D [01:14] First link some dude bids 250,000 at the end. [01:14] Where can I find the pub and priv keys for the sshd on slackware? [01:14] Bob questions him because they can't even fit that on the little LED board below them. [01:14] hahah [01:14] are you sure 250,000? [01:14] hahahah [01:15] mr 420 too [01:15] nullboy: Heh, ya i saw that too. that's a good one. [01:15] would have been awesome if he won. [01:17] is this channel for support or *buntu like? [01:17] WTF? [01:17] oh man [01:17] GTFO [01:17] buzz kill [01:17] stillborn: a bit of everything [01:18] nullboy: No kidding. [01:18] stillborn: if you need support, ask [01:18] nullboy: buzz kill is a nice way of putting it [01:18] agentc0re: Haha. That's awesome [01:18] well, we do help people who are using *buntus by telling them to change distro :) [01:19] stillborn: Are you serious? Are you still born and trying to figure things out? [01:19] wow. [01:19] this has the best opening line evar. bar none. nothing can beat this opener http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMCFRElyaCc&feature=related [01:19] nullboy: HEHE. that was the link i showed above :) [01:19] so if anyone knows from where to alter what xfce4-cpu-freq-plugin calls [01:19] dang [01:20] i doubled up [01:20] nullboy: It's cool. [01:20] just means we find the good shit. [01:20] his bid is so awesome though. [01:20] 250,000!? [01:20] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:20] do you mean 25000?, No.. 60,000 [01:20] hahah [01:21] Is it for, EVERYTHING? [01:21] haha [01:21] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:21] lol [01:22] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [01:22] nullboy, haha, i don't think he know how the game works [01:22] Man and they called us Jarheads but this idiot squidy bid that much? FTW!? [01:23] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM1fAkV805s&feature=related [01:23] agentc0re, too much tentacle pr0n [01:24] agentc0re wtf? [01:24] edman007: haha, probably. Maybe the Skippers are like Catholic priests? I was never on a boat, so i dunno. [01:24] nullboy, yea, that one is old [01:24] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [01:25] doc ellis throws a no hitter on LSD [01:25] k [01:30] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:30] Freak lol getting RSYNC to work with windows is a pain FTP might just be easier. [01:30] sftp or scp? [01:31] It doesn't even have to be secure its just from my laptop to my server they are right next to each other haha. [01:31] scp then [01:31] lfd you might try unison afaik [01:31] should work right off the bat. [01:31] winscp [01:31] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:31] I'll check it out :) thanks agentc0re [01:33] Well I have FTP working already and setup I just need to write a script that will automatically login copy files over and logout. [01:33] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [01:33] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:35] lf4: have you found copssh yeah? [01:35] lf4, when working with windows, if you need it working right now just use FTP (and its for a LAN) [01:35] you can use explorer.exe for that [01:35] lf4: the same guys have a suite of tools, rsync included [01:35] it's good too [01:35] filezilla is a good client/server for windows FTP [01:35] nullboy, hilarious video, haha! [01:35] nathanbw: lol [01:35] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:36] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [01:36] if you need something secure, filezilla in windows will do sftp [01:36] lf4: these guys http://www.itefix.no/i2/ [01:36] I have filezilla server/client installed on windows and configured. [01:36] i've used it to tunnel vnc in ssh [01:37] lf4, then use FTP if you want speed, or sftp if you want security, and connect to your slack system [01:37] you could use smb/cifs through samba too [01:37] nullboy: Thanks I have been messing around with wcRsync for the past hour trying to get it to work but it just is having issues with spaces in folder/file names. [01:37] and if you have time smb/cifs is nice to have, but it takes a bit more work (but not hard) [01:38] I was thinking about cifs but that would be to much of a pain and this does not a crazy thing that needs to be sync'ed often. Just once in awhile. [01:39] unison is almost sure to work, stability guaranteed ;) [01:40] +1 [01:40] lf4, BTW, lftp has a nice thing to basically perform a sync through FTP, and its very easy to script, filezilla's client probably does it too [01:40] humm never heard of unison but it looks good since it runs native on linux and windows. [01:41] hmm, i don't think i have heard of that...but google says i have [01:41] or ff, not sure who..lol [01:41] haha neither did I until Camarade_Tux mentioned it. :) [01:41] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left irc: "[A] overthinking, over analyzing, separate the body from the mind" [01:41] you should get a package for unison because you'd have to install another compiler (ocaml) to compile it by yourself ( http://johannes-schoepfer.de/slackware/ , not mine ) [01:41] lf4, yea, but when i googled it the link showed as already clicked [01:42] haha its the gnomes that clicked it ;) [01:42] ezrafree (i=ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. [01:43] actually you can find slackbuilds for ocaml, [lablgtk] and unison at sbo [01:44] unison has a sound theoretical foundation. They even proved their sync algo works using mathematical proofs. [01:44] very stable and robust [01:45] i can sell you couple of licenses if you want :) [01:46] Action: lf4 has holes in his pockets thats all thats in them. ;) [01:46] lf4 must be using windows for his pockets [01:46] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:47] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:47] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [01:47] haha actually windows not used much anymore I like bricks much better. [01:47] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[02:29] giuppy (n=giuppy@host80-54-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:29] wow it all started with xine and amarok this morning. now vlc is refusing to play x264. [00000432] avcodec decoder error: more than 5 seconds of late video -> dropping frame (computer too slow ?) [02:29] superGear (n=supergea@97-118-37-182.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:33] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:35] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:35] Action: antler sprinkles holy water on his computer. "the power of christ compels you! the power of christ compels you!" [02:35] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [02:39] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [02:40] any audiophiles about? [02:40] where should i put X11 fonts? [02:41] i have a new vga font i'd like to install [02:41] I just got a denon tu-260l II tuner [02:41] and I'm looking for a remote [02:41] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left ##slackware. [02:41] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [02:42] might be kinda hard since it looks like its discontinued [02:42] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left ##slackware. [02:42] looks like a cool tuner though [02:42] Anthony__ (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [02:42] dive: you're missing the original and want a replacement? [02:43] antler, never had one to begin with but I am looking around yes [02:43] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [02:43] the originals are going for as much as I paid for the tuner - £40 to £50 - much too dear [02:44] dive: the only difficulty in that is limiting your choices to something manageable. there are many out there, regardless of the brand of tuner. [02:44] I have one universal remote that works for around 5 or 6 denon tuners but my model isn't listed [02:44] < £7.00 [02:45] might just buy it anyway since it works for tv, cable, vcr etc [02:45] oh, the price range is a lot lower than 40 - 50 pounds? [02:46] well for a cheap univesral remote yes - it's the original denon one that is £40 ish [02:46] I need to find a hifi channel [02:49] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431493.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[03:04] i'm just tripping on the old footage [03:06] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) left irc: "Saliendo" [03:08] antler, that's a learning remote right? You need the original to program those? [03:09] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:10] my cpu is a neural net processor, a learning computer. [03:10] dive: i don't remember exactly. but, yeah, i did program it using original remotes for each component i had. i do however remember reading in the manual something about codes and forcing it to work with stubborn components [03:10] nullboy: haha [03:10] "why do you cry?" --t101 [03:10] lmao [03:12] frullet (n=Bob@124-170-184-165.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [03:13] VonNaturAustreVe (n=vonnatur@189.27.23.191.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:13] VonNaturAustreVe (n=vonnatur@189.27.23.191.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left ##slackware ("bye bye channel"). [03:13] I wonder if the preset stations will be lost if theres a power outage? [03:14] that'd be a pain [03:14] anyway I'm gone [03:14] laters all [03:16] oh! i misunderstood and thought you had a denon amp. :| [03:16] later dive [03:17] Nick change: _Dinde -> Dinde [03:17] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:19] edman007: you around little buddeh? :P [03:20] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:24] Action: antler wonders whether 'terminator: the sarah connor chronicles' (1st season dvd set) is worth buying. [03:24] haven't seen 1 episode yet [03:26] antler, hi [03:26] i'm doing stupid school reports :( [03:26] its a "midterm report" and i only got 3 more classes left [03:26] no reports! hey scifi guy, have you seen series mentioned just now? [03:26] no [03:27] ok. back to your reports, then. :P [03:27] :/ [03:27] Action: edman007 hates writing [03:27] frullet (n=Bob@124-170-184-165.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:28] vvor (n=vvor@bzq-79-176-147-83.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [03:28] have you ever thought about writing's feelings? [03:29] brucelee (n=fffz@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:30] yo whats up guys :P [03:30] hey how practical is it for someone to use linux only through command prompt [03:30] Action: antler beats the shit out of brucelee and leaves him there to rot [03:32] Action: brucelee counters all antler's attempts at striking, and knocks antler out with a 360 turn around and punch [03:32] :o [03:33] your mind is truly illogical [03:33] no its not :p [03:33] its that 360 punch you see here [03:33] http://www.funflashgames.com/newwin-Bruce-Lee-2.html [03:34] antler, no, i act on feelings [03:34] like if i hate someone, i just attack them, no warning at all [03:34] hwahhhh -- chahhh ! [03:35] brucelee, anyways, you can't use linux with only the CLI, aalib just can't render the HD pr0n on the console, you really need the hardware acceleration provided by X [03:36] you can start video progs cant u? [03:36] echo dunno > /dev/brucelee [03:36] from the command line [03:36] brucelee, but how are you going to view it? [03:36] that's correct [03:36] libcaca [03:36] and you can't use a computer without boobies [03:36] edman007 : is there a prog to see video in ascii inside an xterm? [03:36] :p [03:37] grevus, mplayer will do it [03:37] i mean if you start the prog, say its VLC [03:37] ok thanks [03:37] but like i said, its a bit crappy quality [03:37] cant you just select the video from vlc's gui [03:37] and it will play? [03:37] and the HD stuff really needs hardware stuff [03:37] libcaca or aalib [03:37] mplayer uses aalib [03:37] yes [03:37] brucelee, you are asking about not using a GUI...stop giving work arounds that involve a GUI [03:38] http://liquidweather.net/howto/assets/images/mplayeraa.png [03:38] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:38] awesomeness [03:38] the only GUI app i use is firefox [03:38] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:39] but im inside X all the time [03:39] rarely in VT [03:40] yeah, more lines/columns inside X :) [03:40] mplayer can be configured to work without a gui easily [03:41] in fact most people claim its recommended [03:42] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [03:45] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:47] mmmmm.... booobies [03:48] ok.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slack [03:48] 10:34 < edman007> like if i hate someone, i just attack them, no warning at all [03:48] 10:34 < antler> hwahhhh -- chahhh ! [03:48] 10:35 < edman007> brucelee, anyways, you can't use linux with only the CLI, aalib just can't render the HD pr0n on the console, you really need the hardware acceleration provided by X [03:48] 10:36 < brucelee> you can start video progs cant u? [03:48] 10:36 < gbonvehi> echo dunno > /dev/brucelee [03:48] 10:36 < brucelee> from the command line [03:48] 10:36 < edman007> brucelee, but how are you going to view it? [03:48] 10:36 < gbonvehi> that's correct [03:48] 10:36 < gbonvehi> libcaca [03:48] wtf.. [03:48] slackboy, wake up [03:49] remember, middle click pastes :P [03:49] sorry! [03:49] vvor, middle click? [03:49] frullet (n=Bob@124-170-184-165.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:49] sorry! [03:49] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [03:49] lol [03:49] Action: edman007 got pinged a lot [03:49] and i still hate reports [03:51] unsupported USB device which, if left pluged-in at the slackware boot, is registered as a new interface driver snd-usb-audio and a get no sound on the PC. reboot with it unplugged will fix it. how do I unregister/load/fix it without the reboot. Thnxs! [03:53] frullet (n=Bob@124-170-184-165.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:56] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [03:56] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:57] vvor, if they are modules you can usually rmmod them and then modprobe it (for usb that means rmmod usb and everything that uses it, and then load it back) [03:58] j0z (n=JESUS@201.35.45.32) joined ##slackware. [03:58] just be very careful when doing that, if you have a usb keyboard you can rmmod your keyboard and then can't type modprobe (so make sure if that is the case you do it all on one big line so it immediately loads again) [03:58] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [03:59] if the stuff is all in your kernel and not a module...well...oh, look, shiny! [03:59] Action: edman007 walks off [03:59] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:01] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:01] Action: edman007 wonders why everyone in his group has to have impossible to spell names [04:04] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) joined ##slackware. [04:05] "gurpreet" is easy to spell :P [04:06] ok, wtf is xrandr doing? it thinks my screen res is 1680x1050 when it's noticeably *not* [04:07] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:07] edman007: -checking it out- the case if it is not a module looks like a challenge [04:09] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [04:09] fecking thing [04:11] Screen 0: minimum 512 x 384, current 1680 x 1050, maximum 1680 x 1050 [04:11] default connected 1680x1050+0+0 0mm x 0mm [04:12] 1680x1050 50.0* [04:12] antler, heh, thats not far off... [04:12] ...but the display was *actually* in 512x384 mode (huge pixels, could see less than 1/4 of the display) [04:12] Coolmax (n=Mateusz@accl51.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [04:13] Coolmax (n=Mateusz@accl51.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [04:13] rofl [04:14] Action: edman007 draws with a sharpie on Urchlay [04:14] Action: edman007 carves his name into antler [04:14] switching to a different res with xrandr, then switching back, fixed it [04:15] note to self: never "kill -9" any SDL app when it's running fullscreen [04:15] further note to self: find out how the hell you exit this damn emulator [04:16] ikl673 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [04:16] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:16] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:17] Urchlay, yea, SDL will catch a normal kill and reset the res :) [04:17] so use it [04:23] jdd (n=doeppjak@89.137.118.128) joined ##slackware. [04:23] linuxbuzi (n=doeppjak@89.137.118.128) joined ##slackware. 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In non-windowed mode, Escape just pauses... turns out I could have hit Alt-Enter to go back to windowed mode, had I but known [04:29] in fact, alt-enter is the *only* key combination you can use to exit the damn thing when it's fullscreen, because there's no "exit now" key (it's a GUI option only) [04:31] Urchlay, bad design [04:32] Urchlay, is it open source? [04:32] yeah [04:32] and I can fix it, I just didn't know until just now that it needed fixing :) [04:33] well fit it and stop your bitchin [04:34] wonder if slackbuilds.org will accept the fixed version... usual policy is "no patches unless they're absolutely needed to compile" [04:34] just DDoS em until they comply [04:34] that always works [04:35] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:36] man, this is so sad. Lady I rent from went out of town for the next 4 days, I'm watching her dog [04:37] poor dog misses her, it's like he's clinically depressed [04:37] stillbor1 (n=stillbor@MDLXVI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [04:37] lol [04:37] called her on phone, held phone up to dog's ear, she talked to him [04:37] rofl [04:37] he got all confused, looking all over the place, trying to find her [04:38] give him treats until he is happy [04:38] do everything you are not suppose to do [04:38] I just did give him some kind of milk-bone-like thing and a fake pig's ear, also the last couple bites of my own dinner (spaghetti) [04:38] ivan8013_ (n=ivan8013@123.53.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [04:39] he's sad, but not too sad to eat :) [04:39] fake pig ear? wtf? get him a real one [04:39] dogs love those [04:39] lol [04:39] yeah, but there are no pigs nearby [04:39] they sell em at petco [04:39] at 4:41AM? [04:40] ...petco likes to keep em right at the bottom, so the dogs can pick em up and make you pay [04:40] haha, same thing grocery stores do with the extra-sugary kid's cereals [04:40] Urchlay, i'm only 20 minutes out of NYC (traffic is nice right now), so yes [04:40] Kerio2004 (n=Port@188.48.31.149) joined ##slackware. [04:41] Herman (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) joined ##slackware. [04:41] yea...they shouldn't let dogs in those stores...the end of every isle is always rusted out...constantly wet from dog piss [04:41] he already had chili for lunch (mistake, he farted for 2 hours afterward) [04:42] Urchlay, if you want bad try giving them fruit [04:42] some dogs will knock you out if you give em fruit [04:42] why, what does that do? [04:42] its bad...much worse than chili [04:43] I'll pass [04:43] i had dogs that got real bad with the pig ears too...that makes em stink just as much [04:43] heh, he's staring at the IRC window, think he knows we're typing about him [04:44] rofl [04:44] alright, almost 5am...and i need to be at skool around noon :( [04:44] uck [04:44] better either sleep or make a giant pot of coffee [04:45] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:45] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:45] yea...i'm thinking about just going for lots of caffeine in the morning... [04:45] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.119.74) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:46] I've reached the point where caffeine does almost nothing for me [04:46] Zozma_ (n=Winter@69-29-236-10.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:46] other day I woke up, drank 3 12oz cups of coffee, an hour later went back to sleep [04:47] i can drink 4 red bulls and go to sleep within an hour\ [04:47] Zozma_ (n=Winter@d3-190.rb.vcr.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [04:47] red bull's so nasty [04:48] especially with jaegermeister. uggh [04:48] lol [04:48] i like it [04:49] it's vile [04:49] rather just have the jaegermeister as-is (even though I hate its taste too) [04:50] stillbor2 (n=stillbor@KMCMXX.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:51] these days I'm getting where I think whisky has too much sugar in it, maybe that's something to do with it [04:51] drunk lady is being drunk again... [04:51] loudly [04:53] singing, screaming, or snoring? [04:53] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@25.39.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [04:53] baning doors screaming yelling generally carrying on [04:53] banging* [04:53] it's 2am [04:54] banging doors? she's in there fucking Ray Manzarek and Robby Krieger? [04:54] necro-fucking the corpse of Morrison? [04:54] nullboy, your time is wrong [04:55] Fri Apr 17 04:55:02 EDT 2009 [04:55] almost 5am [04:55] Fri Apr 17 01:55:09 PDT 2009 [04:55] sucka [04:55] ivan8013_ (n=ivan8013@123.53.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:55] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [04:56] always living in the past huh? [04:56] Action: edman007 tries to find out how much 0.5W LEDs cost [04:57] Fri Apr 17 11:57:22 EEST 2009 [04:57] where are you? [04:57] greece [04:58] grazymax (n=grazymax@host228-96-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:00] ivan8013_ (n=ivan8013@190.148.169.61) joined ##slackware. [05:00] sahko, mate, same time is here :) [05:00] lame....you are not allowed to cheat and be in the future [05:01] yay, we're in future! [05:01] :( [05:01] alright, 5am, i'll sleep so i can do stuff in the morning... [05:04] i stopped adding sugar in my coffee for 2 days now. after ~15 years [05:04] sahko: how's that working out for you? [05:04] i d say good so far [05:04] cool [05:04] taste is ok [05:04] I've gotten where black coffee doesn't bother me, but I still use a little sugar when it's available [05:05] (rather have black than fake sugar, too. None of the sugar substitutes taste anything like the real thing) [05:06] eh, you're in greece, I bet your usual coffee is stronger than mine [05:07] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_frappe_coffee yeah:) [05:08] can get frappe at places like starbucks here, no idea if it's the same as the real stuff [05:09] this the "official" brand http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Frappedia3.JPG [05:13] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [05:13] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:14] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:17] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@25.39.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:18] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host253-77-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:18] nescafe is the actual brand? [05:19] is there an xfce panel plugin that can show the current cpu speed? [05:20] i have cpu load, temp but i need speed too [05:20] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [05:20] Urchlay: yeap [05:22] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [05:29] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [05:30] StevenR_ (n=foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:31] ivan8013_ (n=ivan8013@190.148.169.61) left irc: "Saliendo" [05:31] xfce4-genmon-plugin is what i need. [05:34] StevenR (n=foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:42] chilkewar_ (n=chilkewa@203.115.66.7) joined ##slackware. [05:44] chilkewar (n=chilkewa@203.115.66.105) left irc: Operation timed out [05:48] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. 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[06:04] echo -e "$(cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz | head -n1 | cut -f3 | cut -d" " -f2 | cut -d"." -f1)\nMHz" <----- the script for the genmon plugin to show me the cpu clock in the xfce panel :-) [06:04] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:05] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [06:07] Zozma_ (n=Winter@d3-190.rb.vcr.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:07] Zozma_ (n=Winter@75-121-136-3.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [06:07] grevus (n=greve@210.211.129.39) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:08] ccfreak2k: no it doesn't [06:08] ccfreak2k: but go find "crosstool", relatively painless way to build cross-compilers [06:08] (not crosstool-ng, that's still not ready for prime time I don't think) [06:11] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [06:13] Action: slava_dp is now a happy powernowd user. thanks to the person who pushed it to sbo :) [06:14] slava_dp : damn. that's so ugly. [06:14] only had to add "-n" to startup options, to include niced processes in calculations. [06:14] so that my BOINC client would trigger the maximum freq. [06:15] ananke, why is it ugly? [06:15] awk -F: '/MHz/ {print $2 " Mhz"}' /proc/cpuinfo [06:16] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:16] ananke, mine prints without the .000 :) [06:17] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.40.253) joined ##slackware. [06:18] slava_dp : at least don't abuse cat :) [06:20] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [06:20] heard the pirate bay news? 1 year in prison and 6 million damages [06:23] slava_dp: yet another way to do it: [06:23] sed -n -e 's/.*MHz[^0-9]*\([0-9][0-9]*\).*/\1/p' -e '/MHz/Q' /proc/cpuinfo [06:23] (that turned out uglier than I thought it should be, with sed) [06:24] Action: Soul_keeper likes the awk idea [06:25] the idea is, do it all in one process, might be lighter-weight than your pipeline [06:25] (but that regex is so ugly that it probably eats as much CPU as all the programs in your pipeline...) [06:26] mac-_ (i=mac@to.pieprzony.abuser.eu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:28] my sed-fu isn't as strong as it once was :( [06:28] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.248) joined ##slackware. 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[06:57] stillbor2 (n=stillbor@MMCDIV.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [06:57] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:59] stillbor1 (n=stillbor@MDLXVI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:00] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.40.253) left irc: "Leaving" [07:00] _RadioHead, just open it with OOo? [07:01] _RadioHead, hmm, no, that doesn't work..... [07:01] <_RadioHead> slava_dp: let me try :) [07:01] <_RadioHead> ah then thx [07:02] <_RadioHead> i wanted to do this under my slackware box , because in windwos i can use acrobate Pro [07:02] <_RadioHead> but i hate to start Sun VirtualBox just for this [07:02] paul424 (i=0@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:03] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:03] _RadioHead, there you go [07:03] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Pdf_Import_Extension [07:03] <_RadioHead> slava_dp: thx a lot man [07:03] hi after recompiling kernel I get VFS: cannot open root devide "303" a unknown block(3.3) ]. [07:04] what is VFS ? [07:04] and forth it goes : please append a correct root boot option [,,,] [07:05] <_RadioHead> paul424: boot with your previuse working kernel and then again edit and compile kernel. check ide/sata drivers to include on kernel also Filesystems [07:05] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.225.228.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [07:05] and forth it goes : please append a correct root boot option [,,,] [07:05] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-160-150.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:05] http://www.freewaregenius.com/2008/03/28/how-to-convert-pdf-to-word-doc-for-free-a-comparative-test/ check this out, there are apparently web-based file conversion sites now ... not sure what to think of that [07:06] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-2234231f98477a5a) joined ##slackware. [07:06] paul424 (i=0@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Client Quit [07:06] Shuren (n=Devilman@host62-170-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "In silence we still talk..." [07:06] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [07:07] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-161-58.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [07:07] paul424 (i=0@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:07] what is VFS ? [07:08] after recompilkng the kernel i get VFS : cannot open root device "303" an unkown-block (3,3). Please append a correct "root=" boot option .... [07:09] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-161-58.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:10] <_RadioHead> Soul_keeper: thx , loading.. [07:10] <_RadioHead> . [07:10] paul424: did you even attempt to google that error? _RadioHead allready told you the solution, and so does first hit with google. [07:12] sorry I didn't saw that cause I had problems with logging [07:12] <_RadioHead> anyone can open openoffice.orgt site? or my damn isp is overloaded [07:12] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-161-58.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [07:13] ahmed-tux (n=rhapsody@adsl196-72-73-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [07:13] hello [07:13] paul424: google is you're friend. ;-) [07:13] _RadioHead: fine here. [07:13] <_RadioHead> paul424: FS=FileSystem V= Virtual if i am not wrong [07:13] <_RadioHead> chopp: bah i hate ISP in my country [07:14] paul424, you did not enable built in file-system support in your kernel and you dont have an initrd image set so that1s why your compiled kernel cant mount the root partition [07:17] ALVAN: I did enabled file-system support and I didn't enabled the initrd [07:18] what fs you have ? [07:18] <_RadioHead> paul424: you included in kernel or as a module? [07:19] ext2; support included into kernel [07:19] <_RadioHead> paul424: also check IDE/SATA support , so you will enbable chipset and controllers in kernel [07:19] hmm do I have to compile intor kernel also the Kernelautomounter support [07:19] paul424, i think you know the difference between built-in and simple include as a module [07:19] <_RadioHead> paul424: so your root FS is ext2 ? [07:20] yeap [07:20] also the SATA/ PArarell sata is disabled ........ [07:21] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: [07:21] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-176-247.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [07:21] <_RadioHead> paul424: if you built-in FS in kernel cehck IDE SATA driver if you build nito kernel [07:21] <_RadioHead> check* [07:22] IDE SATA driver -- but i don;t have the sata drive ......... [07:23] _RadioHead : also is that kernel autormounter support compiled into kernel necessery to run ? [07:24] <_RadioHead> no [07:24] toshiba510cdt (n=toshiba5@212.Red-83-56-217.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [07:24] ehhh ok [07:24] <_RadioHead> paul424: are you under slackware now ? [07:24] can anyone recommend me a free as in freedom graphical web browser that supports frames, javascript and *stable* https that works on a Pentium 120 Mhz 80 MB RAM? [07:24] Nick change: yht -> yht|off [07:25] and it should currently developed and well supported [07:25] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:26] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:28] paul424 (i=0@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "[BX] That's Miss BitchX to you" [07:28] toshiba510cdt, links -g comes closest but it doesn't have js [07:29] At 120Mhz, you would be hard pressed to find something with js [07:29] Stutteringmatt (n=mathias@h112n1c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. [07:29] it must have javascript [07:30] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:30] i'm not selling it to you! you will not find a browser with that spec. Already did this search sometime back. [07:33] toshiba510cdt: try to trim down some fat of Firefox ;-) [07:33] no way [07:33] tino27 (n=tnoe@cpe-24-93-187-187.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "bong timeout" [07:33] 120MHz [07:33] don't forget [07:33] links is the best bet [07:33] toshiba510cdt, why not use one of the older firefox editions. 0.8 would work great. or 1.5.0.x [07:33] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:33] paul424 (i=0@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:33] unmaintained [07:33] who cares [07:33] he does [07:34] compiled the sata drivers and i still screwed i was before ........ [07:34] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:34] i need X and i am running a very light window manager. i disabled all unneeded services, adding more ram to the ancient 120 MHz laptop is NOT an option [07:34] Action: slava_dp remembers using ff 0.7 and recommending it to everyone [07:35] toshiba510cdt, you should talk to the guys at Damn Small linux / puppy linux / stem desktop [07:35] they have done this exercise before [07:35] and are experts [07:35] #damnsmalllinux [07:36] go for the old firefox & remaintan it [07:36] how much memory? [07:36] i can not compile a kernel since there is only 100 MB left on the hd, so i need to know what else can i configure or disable to save precious memory? [07:36] 80 MB RAM is what i have [07:36] heh [07:36] sweeet! [07:37] toshiba510cdt, you can compile a kernel on another machine for it. [07:37] slack will BARELY install on that [07:37] Dillo web browser [07:37] I'd run a much older release [07:37] DSL has a maintained dillo + ssl patches [07:37] but no js [07:38] yep no js [07:38] what is the WM [07:38] besides, slackware 11.0 will run faster on that. ^^(straterra has a point) [07:38] I'd pick the last slackware to ship with a 2.4 kernel [07:38] the pentium 120 Mhz is my only machine at the moment. my core duo laptop had a power supply prob and it no longer works [07:38] that was 11.0 [07:38] thats it? [07:39] you are not building a system? [07:39] icewm [07:39] then run 11 [07:39] tried dsl ? [07:39] go for DWM & save ram [07:40] tried dsl but i encountered lots of problems [07:40] please please help me [07:40] there's also puppy linux. heard good feedback about it. [07:40] yep [07:41] tiny core linux [07:41] try it too [07:41] it's new [07:41] 20mb iso image [07:41] reposto, lol it probably does not support js :D [07:42] it doesn't even have a browser [07:42] you have to download once booted [07:42] does have X though [07:42] I'd run windows 98 on that machine, tbh [07:42] :) [07:42] older windows is tons better in regards to usability in low memory environments than modern linux [07:42] true [07:43] tiny core linux is not what i want. thanks for recommending me other distros but i just want to work with i have, what else do i need to disable or configure to save RAM? [07:43] toshiba510cdt: I'd install slack 11 and use flux or some other light wm [07:43] and it should work fine [07:43] use fvwm [07:44] Zozma_ (n=Winter@75-121-136-3.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Connection timed out [07:44] toshiba510cdt: I would stay with slack re compile to small kernel go for the lightest WM ie.DWM try add RAM from ebay [07:44] Zozma_ (n=Winter@98-125-72-126.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [07:45] it is pointless to add ram to this ancient laptop. moreover, i have time to configure and disable what is needed to save ram [07:45] i do not want to spend any money [07:45] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:45] toshiba510cdt, just go for slack 11 first. then tune that. [07:46] well, we have alaid out everything on the table here. It would be nice if you come up with atleast the ps o/p [07:46] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:46] lsmod [07:46] toshiba510cdt, it's maintained, supported and everything. so go for it. [07:47] thanks for recommending me other distros but i just want to work with i have, what else do i need to disable or configure to save RAM? [07:47] lmao [07:47] heh [07:47] rotflmao [07:48] slackware 11 is not what i want. i do not want to any distro [07:48] i'll start crying now [07:48] what have we got here? one diehard slack fan with a tiny laptop! lol [07:48] Floops[w] (n=baihu@floopsie.broker.freenet6.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:48] and doesn't show us his ps [07:49] Floops[w] (n=baihu@floopsie.broker.freenet6.net) joined ##slackware. [07:49] gtg have fun ;) [07:49] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "Leaving" [07:50] Floops (n=baihu@got.me.a.sexywitch.info) left irc: "changing servers" [07:50] dwm is customized through editing its source code. that is not newbie friendly [07:50] :) [07:51] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [07:51] Floops (n=baihu@pegasus.sexywitch.info) joined ##slackware. [07:52] toshiba510cdt, running linux on that pc and also to have all the working options fine is not newbie friendly [07:55] ehh what I can doing wrong ... please please help me ........ [07:56] toshiba510cdt: you got the ifo, start a new journey or buy a new mac :-) [07:56] brucelee (n=fffz@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: [07:56] paul424, first why you need to compile a new kernel ? [07:58] paul424: also, it would be wise to start with a working /usr/src/linux/.config and then run manke menuconfig so start altering the selection of options. Do not attempt to configure a kernel source from scratch. [07:58] Use the Slackware kernel .config as a jumpstart [08:00] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [08:01] yeah I have downloaded the defualt config for my kernel and then I do the altering....... [08:02] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:03] Shuren (n=Devilman@host62-170-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:03] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:07] kleanchap_ (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:09] <_RadioHead> i like pdfimport.oxt extension [08:09] <_RadioHead> hello alienBOB [08:11] how do I configure the makeinitrd to work with the ext2 ? [08:12] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:13] vvor: i am not going to buy a mac or any pc for that matter. i just want to work with what the old pentium 120MHz laptop until my core duo laptop' s internal power supply is replaced. [08:14] <_RadioHead> paul424: do you have slackware in dvd/cd? or disk? [08:16] yes [08:17] _RadioHead : yes [08:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-76-199.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-87.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:20] kitche2 (n=kitche2@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [08:21] <_RadioHead> copy kernels/hugesmp.s/config to your /usr/src/linux/.config and then start compile kernel [08:21] hmmm that's make sense [08:23] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [08:25] reposto (n=unknown@gateway.geodesic.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:25] * Topic for #tinycorelinux is: Welcome to #tinycorelinux | www.tinycorelinux.com | Latest Releases: 1.3 [final] | ibiblio mirror: http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/Linux/sunsite.unc.edu/distributions/tinycorelinux/ [08:25] * Topic for #tinycorelinux set by ^thehatsrule^ at Sun Apr 12 23:51:49 2009 [08:25] * #tinycorelinux :http://www.tinycorelinux.com [08:25] Channel flood from toshiba510cdt -- kicking [08:25] * #tinycorelinux :[freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp [08:25] toshiba510cdt kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [08:27] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.225.228.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: [08:27] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "De profvndis clamo ad te Domine." 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[08:39] doing fine, spent some time on the phone [08:39] what are you up to [08:42] <_RadioHead> slackytude: i dont like phones:) specialy when i have a call for hardware support :) [08:43] true [08:43] <_RadioHead> slackytude: i am trying to convert pdf > .odt , till now only i can convert to .odg [08:43] <_RadioHead> ;) [08:45] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.147.54) joined ##slackware. [08:45] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:45] Action: nix_chix0r sneaks some herb into #slackware [08:46] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:46] _RadioHead, sounds boring [08:46] luoyi (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-fa47a1ce7740ba5c) left irc: SendQ exceeded [08:46] _RadioHead, work related? [08:47] <_RadioHead> yes slackytude AND is very boring :). [08:47] heh [08:48] <_RadioHead> slackytude: i work partialy on my old job and here i do whatever is needed :) [08:49] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:49] partialy at your old job? [08:49] do whatever is needed is my job describtion as well [08:50] lizardius (n=lizardiu@p57A8C8E6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:50] hi all [08:51] <_RadioHead> :) slackytude i am pure on english/explanations dont mind me [08:51] <_RadioHead> hi lizardius [08:54] *yawn* [08:55] <_RadioHead> hi tewmten [08:55] hey _RadioHead =) [08:55] omigosh im so tired today [08:55] slept like 2,5 hrs last night [08:55] the youth of today, eh? ;) [08:55] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:56] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:56] <_RadioHead> tewmten: i slept 4 H more then you , but my daughter wake me up in 6 am arrg [08:56] yeah i emailed my boss telling him i would do the first hours of work from home [08:56] so i didnt have to travel during rush hour [08:56] and he's cool with that [08:56] _RadioHead, i hear you on the no sleep:P [08:56] which is nice [08:57] i'm up every 3hrs with the baby lol [08:57] <_RadioHead> nix_chix0r: lol [08:57] hi _RadioHead ;) [08:57] <_RadioHead> tewmten: i have also freedom in my both work places :) [08:57] :) [08:57] <_RadioHead> nix_chix0r: lucky you haha [08:57] it sucks cause most chans are always idling in the ungodly hours of night when i'm forced to be up feeding that monkey [08:58] you have a monkey? :O [08:58] xD [08:58] well he has a lot of hair haha [08:58] and makes these scrunched up faces [08:59] sounds like a monkey to me! [08:59] :P [08:59] put the baby in a crib, give him some cookie, and the lil dude will be fine for a few hours =D [08:59] nix_chix0r: hang in there, it gets better [08:59] <_RadioHead> nix_chix0r: baby=no sleep growing childrens=big problems [08:59] <_RadioHead> :) [08:59] _RadioHead, by then i can just velcro him to the wal no biggie [08:59] lol [08:59] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.37.171) joined ##slackware. [08:59] stay put mom needs to hack kernel [08:59] don't worry mom i already did it:)) [09:00] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [09:01] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:04] little bobby tables we call him [09:04] heh [09:04] dirty xkcd reader [09:04] Action: slackytude nods [09:09] kitche2 (n=kitche2@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:18] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.37.171) left irc: "leaving" [09:18] hmm my ii client died ... [09:20] caio (n=caio@190.244.37.171) joined ##slackware. [09:21] mornin' [09:27] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:27] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:28] morning, frullet:) [09:32] hitest: hows it goin? [09:34] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [09:34] how to install ffmpeg on slackware? [09:35] Thursap_ (n=root@58.187.183.161) left ##slackware. [09:35] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:35] Thursap_ (n=root@58.187.183.161) joined ##slackware. [09:36] Nick change: Thursap_ -> Thursap [09:37] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:37] SlackLnx (n=Lee@195.23.211.223) joined ##slackware. [09:37] hi everyone [09:38] i've just installed slackware, want to know how to install ffmpeg? [09:38] Thursap: mplayer? [09:38] slackbuilds.org [09:38] Thursap: you could go to http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/multimedia/ffmpeg/ and follow instructions [09:39] frullet: no, just ffmpeg [09:39] Thursap: then as stated, SBo is your friend [09:39] Thursap: FIrst you log off from IRC and create a user account and log on with that account instead of root. [09:39] then you follow those instructions. [09:40] Seems ffmpeg requires many other packages that you also might need to get from slackbuilds. I recall there's a tool to do that automatically, but I've never used it [09:40] agentc0re: i'm currently on a normal user [09:41] Aldaron: i will try it right now [09:42] how long the kernel compilation might take I already run in for an hour on athlon1900 ////........ [09:42] "(07:31:36 AM) Thursap_ [n=root@58.187.183.161] entered the room." Really? [09:43] paul424: you needn't worry yet - I recall it taking an hour or two (on an older computer, but hey, maybe the kernel was smaller back then too) [09:43] I haven't bothered to compile a kernel in years, because usually there's very little to be gained [09:44] paul424, are you still trying to get the ati drivers working? [09:44] Aldaron: ok, i've downloaded the .SlackBuild file and the source, tried to install it, but i got an error [09:44] Aldaron: this is some last lines from terminal: http://pastebin.com/m2f140bb5 [09:45] Thursap, you need to install faad or faad2 [09:45] Thursap: Did you read what it requires? [09:45] it should say in the README which deps there are [09:46] tgif [09:46] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ffmpeg/ - I wrapped it all into one single package that has all the deps already compiled-in [09:46] I bid, $250,000! [09:46] agentc0re: don't know why, i'm using a normal user actually [09:48] dive: what's that? how can i install it? [09:48] Thursap, try alienBOB build - it will be easier [09:48] Thursap: did you already install lame, faac, faad2, speex, xvidcore, schroedinger, openjpeg and x264 from slackbuilds? ;) [09:49] in fact there is a package ready made if you want it even easier [09:49] Thursap: you can install those by searching for those on slackbuilds.org [09:49] Thursap: or you could listen to dive :). That's perhaps an easier option [09:50] alienBOB is the man - listen to him ;) [09:50] Personally I like to only install stuff from slackware's official packages and sources offered by whoever wrote them (aided with slackbuilds), but packages are available in many places [09:50] I will sometimes wack people around the head with my opinion pole [09:50] Aldaron: oh, i've read carefully the link you gave. it's sad i have to install too many pkg before ffmpeg :( [09:51] Thursap, did you not see the link alienBOB posted? [09:52] og, I missed alienBOB's link too :P [09:52] and perhaps while you're there, look reaal close at the url. [09:53] Strykar_: i've just logged out, so i dont see his link [09:53] Thursap, shame [09:53] Strykar_: can you repost for me? thx [09:53] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ffmpeg/ [09:53] chopp: thx [09:53] you're welcome [09:56] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [09:57] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-67-127-184-245.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [09:57] Portmapper (n=Port@77.31.48.244) joined ##slackware. [09:58] why the link dont auto-opened in firefox when i click on it? i mean, the link on terminal. i have to copy/paste it into browser [09:58] <_RadioHead> it is very easy to find alienbob packages :) only type alienbob in firefox address bar [09:58] probably because firefox is not setup to be used for links in your irc client [09:58] Thursap, which terminal are you using? and which desktop? [09:59] dive: x terminal emulator on kde [09:59] konsole? [09:59] what happens if you right click link? does it say 'open' or similar? [10:00] no, the other one, "Terminal" on the title [10:00] ah well you can right click links but you may have to set up firefox in options [10:00] dive: nothing happens, although the pointer become a hand [10:00] so he's using XFCE terminal then [10:00] 1 year in jail for pirate bay [10:00] but when i click, nothing happens [10:01] £2 million dmages [10:01] Cara_Magro (n=gustavo@201.33.10.39) joined ##slackware. [10:01] Thursap, are you right clicking - open link? [10:01] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [10:01] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:03] dive, right click and then "Open Link" works fine. but can i open it by a single left-click? [10:03] no it doesn't work like that [10:03] it's so you can still select text if you want to [10:04] dive, read that [10:04] without opening browser [10:04] dive, no fun [10:04] nope [10:04] there will be an appeal tho [10:04] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:04] yeah [10:04] I think that 1 year in jail is a bit much [10:05] not like they mugged someone at knife point [10:05] aye [10:05] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:05] SlackLnx (n=Lee@195.23.211.223) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:05] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) left irc: "leaving" [10:05] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:06] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [10:06] dive: now i see why's that. thank you. [10:06] you're welcome [10:07] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:08] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.2) joined ##slackware. [10:08] caio (n=caio@190.244.37.171) left irc: "leaving" [10:08] Thursap (n=root@58.187.183.161) left irc: "leaving" [10:09] Kerio2004 (n=Port@188.48.31.149) left irc: Connection timed out [10:13] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [10:15] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left ##slackware. [10:15] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [10:16] lusher00 (n=lusher00@c-71-205-111-167.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:16] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left ##slackware. [10:17] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [10:17] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left ##slackware. [10:17] will someone help me get VMware running? I am having a problem with PAM. I have followed every tutorial on Google I can find and I still cant get it to work [10:17] Slackware doesn't come with PAM [10:18] Which means, for VMWare Server you need to install it [10:18] bojevnik_ (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [10:19] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [10:19] right... And thats what I am asking for help on [10:19] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left ##slackware. [10:19] bojevnik_ (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:20] lusher00: so what issues are you having exactly? [10:21] I cant authenticate when I try to log in to localhost:8222 [10:21] which I understand is a PAM problem [10:21] I installed PAM per this tutorial [10:21] http://hangdog.pihl.no-ip.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=49&Itemid=62 [10:22] hmm probably need to recompile teh login stuff as well for pam? [10:22] I don't use Linux for vmware host [10:22] all of the directories are where the tutorial says they should be [10:23] I don't think you actually need proper pam integration, just for it to be installed (?) [10:24] lusher00: pastebin the output of: ls -al /etc/pam.d [10:24] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:24] lusher00: did you make the symlinks for /lib/security as well? [10:24] the only thing in there is vmware-authd [10:24] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:24] nmoura (n=kvirc@200.142.88.34) joined ##slackware. [10:25] lusher00: so you have /etc/pam.d/vmware-authd [10:25] ok sho me the output of: less vmware-authd [10:26] sicne it seems you need to maek some symlinks in /lib/security for pam_unix.so [10:26] thrice`: you dont need integration..just it installed [10:26] I just used pam from dropline [10:26] kitche: shoulnd't be symlinks [10:26] I made the symlinks [10:26] if this is vmware 2.0.. symlinks will not suffice [10:26] Dominian: umm according to the tutorial you need symlinks from pam_unix.so [10:26] vmware-authd is a binary file [10:27] lusher00: uhhh [10:27] lusher00: it shouldn't be [10:27] kitche: I don't care what that toturial says.. its wrong [10:27] kitche: i run vmware 2.0 on slackware using pam [10:27] but thats fine.. I'mg oing back to work.. have fun with your tutorial [10:27] Dominian: umm ok so you have pam_unix2.so libraries? [10:28] You.. don't... make... symlinks [10:28] But since you don't want to listen, I really don't give a shit [10:28] But I want to listen and thats all that matters right [10:29] no in #slackware, we need more [10:29] well what more do you need? [10:30] Jesus [10:30] ponies [10:30] ah ok I m just reading what the vmware site actually says [10:31] Ojg (n=Ojg@ojg-laptop.tekproj.bth.se) joined ##slackware. [10:32] Dominian: but yes your right you can just use pam_unix.so by itself [10:33] lusher00: vmweare-authd should be a text file with auth and account lines in it [10:33] sorry I snapped.. just one of those days.. not fair for me tot ake it out on you [10:34] kitche: where in the process could I be going wrong? [10:34] Dominian, busy day, eh? [10:34] Dominian, just remeber its friday [10:34] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/12762 [10:34] lusher00: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/12762 [10:34] lusher00: umm not sure but I do know vmware-authd is a text file maybe your copying something wrong liek I said though I do not use vmware server on linux [10:35] no.. when vmware instlals its self it does that [10:35] shutdown vmware then rm /etc/pam.d/vmware-authd [10:35] then; cd /etc/pam.d [10:35] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431493.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:35] use your favorite editor to create a text file called vmware-authd with the stuff in that pastebin I showed you [10:36] so delete vmware-authd and replace it with that? [10:36] yes [10:36] then start vmware [10:36] or restart it [10:38] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431493.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:38] AND FIXED [10:39] :) [10:39] Herman (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:39] jlindsay (n=jlindsay@c-68-47-204-159.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:39] Ojg (n=Ojg@ojg-laptop.tekproj.bth.se) left irc: "Leaving" [10:39] by the way if your on vmware 2.0.0 I suggest an update [10:41] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:42] lusher00: it took me a bit to figure that combo out [10:42] and it was something in the vmware logs that tipped me off to it.. don't remember what [10:43] Dominian: Well thankyou, I appreciate it. I have been googling for days!!! [10:43] heh [10:43] I'm still on the 1.X version. :/ but i never had to do that pam stuff when installing it. I just had to have a /etc/pam.d dir and use the any-any patches. [10:43] 1 doesnt need pam [10:43] 2 does [10:43] with 1.x you don't even need pam really [10:47] Stutteringmatt (n=mathias@h112n1c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: "leaving" [10:52] Gatto (n=Romeo~@host41-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:01] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [11:02] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.175.40) joined ##slackware. [11:05] I have two hard drives, one with windows installed on it and one with slackware installed on it. Can I add the windows disk to VMware? [11:06] add it? [11:06] <_RadioHead> tomorrow people :) init ~ [11:06] can i run that copy of windows in VMware ? [11:06] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.248) left irc: "Leaving" [11:06] Probably.. just attach the hard disk as an existing partition when you create the vm [11:09] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.43.6) left irc: "Leaving" [11:10] what about vmware? [11:10] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [11:10] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431493.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:11] you might need the generic block device patch [11:16] Nick change: russell_1 -> russell_h [11:19] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:19] zarock (n=zarock@lugburz.waycom.net) joined ##slackware. [11:23] doeppjakab (n=doeppjak@89.137.118.128) left irc: "Leaving" [11:26] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-176-247.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:26] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-185-55.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:26] paul424 (i=0@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [11:27] now comes the million dollar question... [11:27] to upgrade to 12.2 or to fresh install... [11:28] oh no, the pirate bay is guilty :( [11:28] yep [11:28] edman007: damn it [11:28] oh shit... [11:28] guilty of what? [11:29] They tried to "prove" they host the files on their servers.. which.. of cousre.. they don't [11:29] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:29] 1 year in jail and £2 million damages [11:29] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:29] "found guilty of being accessories to copyright infringement" [11:29] a bit harsh [11:29] but apparently, it has to do with the fact that they were making money off the site (i.e., "commercially driven" [11:29] ) [11:30] appeal time [11:30] Action: nix_chix0r trips edman007 [11:30] ow [11:30] nix_chix0r, always lurking! [11:30] edman007, they will appeal [11:31] sneaky sneaky [11:31] slackytude, the appeals are never as fun :( [11:31] theres a prog about them in 30 mins bbc radio 4 [11:31] nix_chix0r, i need a pony [11:31] and i need it now [11:31] i want to ride a pony to school today [11:31] 'mplayer -playlist http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/realplayer/media/fmg2.ram' [11:32] if you didn't know [11:32] .ram? ewwww [11:32] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: "Leaving" [11:32] Action: dive rams ram down edman007's throat [11:32] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:33] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:33] Action: edman007 smashes dive into nix_chix0r [11:33] to be honest if they changed it it would be flash which is even more detestable [11:33] *bounce* [11:33] :P [11:34] nix_chix0r, have you played kick the baby yet? [11:34] anyone reading the /. comments on the article? lol [11:34] I think she's still playing 'kick the edman007' [11:34] not yet [11:34] dive, :( [11:35] dive, yeah;) [11:35] Action: edman007 kicks nix_chix0r [11:35] hmm not looked at /. for a while [11:36] lots of links to different articles and extra info [11:36] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:37] paul424 (i=0@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:37] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:37] hi where should I put the ati drivers i mean which path ? [11:38] ./ati-driver.etc --buildpkg Slackware/All [11:40] lf4 (n=lf4@71.199.22.31) joined ##slackware. [11:41] /. seems to have the usual mix of pirate/copyright comments - been there, done that, move on [11:41] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [11:41] i'm ~1/2 thru them... there are some interesting items there [11:42] CtrlAltCa: it semms to work ..... [11:43] Does a full install of 12.2 using the hugesmp kernel include the kernel source? [11:43] and now what ? should I do the installpkg ? [11:43] upps he signoff ..... [11:43] anyone ? [11:43] yeah you installpkg [11:44] lf4: yes [11:45] Necos: ok but they are two packages both tgz one 223 MB and the second 7 MB [11:46] ohh never mind those are sources ....... [11:48] lol [11:48] BP{k}: you're on -current now? [11:48] when is he not on -current [11:49] he's on beer or whisky usually... [11:49] lol [11:50] Necos: negative. still on 12.2 [11:50] dive: among others ;) [11:50] I need a beer tonight - just looked at my outgoings, jesus.. [11:51] was just thinking what kind of pitfalls i'd run in to upgrading 12.1->12.2 [11:51] can't believe I managed to spend £133 in 3 days at tesco - wtf [11:52] Necos, I did that on two boxes and had no problems at all [11:52] Necos: not that many if you follow the UPGRADE.TXT and CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT to the letter. [11:52] dive: 133 cans of hobgoblin? ;) [11:52] lol [11:52] seems like it [11:53] I've got a sneaking suspicion I had better check my receipts from now on - think I've been stung :/ [11:53] Anyone have problems installing the nVidia 169.04 derivers on 12.2? [11:53] lf4, there was one version that didn't work but I forget which [11:54] lf4, using the slackbuild? [11:54] haha probably my luck its this one... [11:54] no using the .run file from nvidia [11:54] there are slackbuilds at SBo [11:54] didn't know that, I'll check it out :) thanks [11:55] but I think if you are going to run the one from nvidia you would be better off getting the latest [11:55] 17x [11:55] 17x? [11:55] well 170 somthing [11:56] marshall-F (n=gates@41.236.246.57) joined ##slackware. [11:56] ahh ok :) [11:56] marshall-F (n=gates@41.236.246.57) left ##slackware. [11:56] looks like its up to 180.29 now [11:57] 180.44 [11:58] http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/180.44/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-180.44-pkg1.run [11:58] paul424 (i=0@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:58] paul424 (i=0@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:59] Ahh yes.. thats weird i was just on their site searching. [11:59] hey I just installed the ati drivers and it's says somethig it's just the first stage of the process ... that they are some other drivers for Xorg ......... [11:59] Gatto (n=Romeo~@host41-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:59] anyway it just hang over just i logged onto the KDE [12:00] hi * [12:00] huh? [12:00] hi Gatto [12:00] hiya gatto ^_^ [12:01] yo [12:01] hi Poo hi Lalla hi Tinky Winky [12:01] Necos: I have done upgrades from 11.0 -> 12.1 without problem installed 12.2 from scratch [12:02] some better news - a policeman may face manslaughter charges for killing someone on a demo [12:02] yht (n=yht@114.121.19.212) joined ##slackware. [12:03] BP{k}: ah, i think i'm gonna have to slackpkg clean-system and go for it... but i need to read the upgrade materials really carefully... the other option is to say fuck it and install from scratch, which might be faster [12:03] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-74-109-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [12:05] dive: [4~t pushed?is that the guy who go [12:06] eh [4~t? [12:06] sorry extreme lag. "is that the guy who got pushed at the g20 demonstrations"? [12:06] it's the guy who got hit from behind and pushed [12:06] yeah [12:06] they now say he dead of internal bleeding rather than heart attack [12:07] s/dead/died [12:07] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [12:07] My police violence is up lately [12:07] s/My/Man [12:08] not sure of that Dominian - things were as bad during the miner's strike during the 80's but there is much more media attention now [12:08] true [12:08] and also many people people have mobiles/cameras [12:09] I've already made up my mind, if I keep seeing these murders and crap happen.. meaning... people breaking into homes to rob it and kiling the occupants or attempting to kill them.. I'm buying a hand gun [12:09] paul424 (i=0@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [12:09] people people? as opposed to robotic people [12:09] i am robotic people :D [12:10] *mosh* [12:10] Dominian: Get the .45 ACP I want [12:10] acp? [12:10] Yes [12:10] what's an acp? [12:10] forgive my iggorance [12:10] straterra: I'd like to have a glock actually [12:10] ACP means automatic colt pistol [12:10] ah ok [12:11] its so you tell the difference between a revolver style .45 round [12:11] Dominian: I don't like glocks...too light. You have to push on the gun when you pull the trigger, otherwise the pulling motion of the trigger yaws the gun and you miss [12:11] when we had a gunshop years ago they had an auto magnum - dunno if it 38 or 45 though - but it looked pretty formidable [12:11] straterra: I've never had troubles with them [12:11] dive: ACP doesn't mean automatic fire rate [12:12] yeah just a normal automatic I presume? [12:12] that's what I took you to mean [12:12] automatic loading [12:12] yeah [12:12] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:12] I love my autoloading, 6 shot Remington 12g [12:13] It'll fuck your shoulder up..but its fun [12:13] rhys (n=rhys@dolphinmancer1.meds.cwru.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:13] omzine (n=othermin@81.sub-75-216-15.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [12:17] right time to move it [12:17] laters [12:19] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:19] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:20] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:20] straterra: lol [12:20] ? [12:20] 12g [12:20] how much did you get it for? [12:20] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:21] $0 [12:21] It was my great grandfathers..an inheritence [12:21] you just robbed some old guy for it? [12:21] No [12:21] so you did rob some old guy for it ;) [12:21] My grandpa died..so it went to me [12:21] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-2234231f98477a5a) left irc: [12:21] 3 generations before ya, but meh... minor detail [12:22] my grandpa increased the capacity to 6 shells and took out the iron bar in the stock to make it lighter..but it also makes it kick more [12:22] pics? [12:22] none atm [12:22] I should take some [12:22] I have pics of my hand guns..somewhere [12:22] yeah, you need to put those up ^_^ [12:23] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) joined ##slackware. [12:23] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:24] SlackLnx (n=Lee@85.139.11.87) joined ##slackware. [12:24] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. 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[12:33] hm, it routes me to a default webhosting page [12:34] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:34] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:34] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: "link closed" [12:35] wow big difference in speed between my desktop and laptop lol its so weird. [12:35] Nick change: Guest49393 -> Stx [12:35] after of make all, how create a .tgz package for slackware? [12:35] for what? [12:36] for compiling. my laptop is slower I figure its the slower harddrive speed. [12:36] thrice`, for storage of binaries, i wanna recompile twice when i install it again [12:37] chance22 (n=chance@99-16-138-143.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:37] i want some for out of box but i don't know how in my laptop [12:37] mkdir /tmp/package && make install DESTDIR=/tmp/package [12:37] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:38] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:38] lf4, that's a humungous factor. hdparm -tT /dev/hda (or whatever it is hda,sda) on both and compare. [12:38] cd /tmp/package && makepkg package-1.0-i486-1.tgz [12:38] slava_dp, you need install/slack-desc in there as well [12:38] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:38] Old_Fogie, no you don't :) [12:38] you should also compress man-pages, strip binaries, etc [12:39] slava_dp, but there are some problems, some binaries use absolute paths and /tmp/package should be empty for out of box [12:39] you do you if you want to have a 'correct' slack package [12:39] you should but you don't have to. [12:39] Action: Old_Fogie would only recommend 'proper' way to best of his ability to new commer [12:40] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-185-55.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:40] i believe that i need either chroot or virtualbox for these packages :( [12:41] Thursap (n=bnguyen@58.187.183.161) joined ##slackware. [12:41] how to capture a window? i press PrtSc and then paste into Gimp but nothing happens :( [12:42] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [12:42] kscreenshot [12:42] Thursap: using what WM/DE? [12:42] KDE [12:42] hmm under KDE, PrintScreen works for me .. it launches kscreenshot [12:43] s/kscreenshot/ksnapshot/ [12:43] i failed :) sorry [12:43] Cara_Magro (n=gustavo@201.33.10.39) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:43] on my machine, there is no kscreenshot [12:44] ksnapshot, Thursap [12:44] Thursap: it's ksnapshot. [12:44] So anyone want to take a guess which one compiles faster? http://pastebin.ca/1395063 [12:44] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Operation timed out [12:46] Thursap: you shouldn't have to paste it in to GIMP ksnapshot should give you the option to save. [12:46] ruben23 (n=ITadmin@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [12:46] BP{k}: ok, ksnapshot works just fine, but PrtSc does not work, that is weird [12:47] lf4: when i press PrtSc, nothing happens [12:47] lf4: that doesn't matter much. do you scale your lappy CPU ? [12:47] harmattan (n=harmatta@82.159.59.50.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [12:48] thrice`: Not that I know of. [12:49] Thursap: Thats odd maybe its a keyboard error ;) haha just kidding. [12:49] lf4, makes a huge diff I find for apps such as firefox, many many sub dirs that need read/write/seek etc. my 0.02 if you got slow hd..the compile process is shot too [12:50] if you can't read/access the drive fast, you wont build fast [12:50] ^^^ makes sense [12:50] one more question, for KDE what are the keyboard shortcuts for maximize and restore a window? like 'alt-f10' and 'alt-f5' on GNOME. [12:50] The sda is the laptops drive which has a faster read speed then the desktop. Which i was surprised. [12:52] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: No route to host [12:53] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [12:53] Thursap: you can define those yourself in the Control Center>> Regional and Accessibility>> Keyboard Shortcuts [12:54] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:55] kama (n=kama@host139-115-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:56] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.187.105) joined ##slackware. [12:56] paul424 (i=0@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:57] hey if the X server hangs where do I found the current logs ? /var/log/Xorg.0.logs ? [12:57] yes [12:57] slackytude you mean my question ? [12:58] yes [12:58] paul424, yes [12:59] how do I recognize after which sesision it is the log ... what should I do to kill the X server now under console ........ [12:59] killall X [12:59] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-20.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:59] killall -s 9 X [12:59] might need root [12:59] ok thanks very much [13:00] Hey slackytude. How are you today? [13:00] Buggaboo (n=bug@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: "A wank a day, keeps the frustrations away" [13:00] greetings firebird619, Im doing fine. How about you? [13:00] firebird619, still raining tho :| [13:00] Doing great. It's suppose to get to 68 F here today. [13:01] heh, nice [13:01] Still raining, that's to bad. [13:01] good for them plants [13:01] was getting pretty dry [13:01] am one more question does anyone use the BitchX client, how to set it to always join at this server and this channel and this nick ? [13:01] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: "link closed" [13:01] slackytude: well, in that case, the rain is needed then. :) [13:02] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:02] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) joined ##slackware. [13:02] firebird619, also, it isnt cold outside so it isnt that bad [13:02] heyhey [13:02] Hi Buggaboo. [13:03] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:03] onchannel --help [13:04] omg, I just found out about the piratebay [13:04] paul424 (i=0@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "[BX] We are BitchX of Borg. You will be assimilated. Using ircII is futile." [13:04] ;< [13:04] the got penally anal-probed. [13:05] meh, wait for the appeal [13:05] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [13:06] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:06] eh? what happened to them? [13:06] slap on the wrist, with a big fine. [13:06] one year jailtime? [13:06] the 4 owners sentencd to one year in jail, millions in fines [13:07] where do I get my damn legal stuff then? like slamd64 12.2?!?!?!?! [13:07] adrifth (n=Salle@210.211.129.68) joined ##slackware. [13:07] it'll be interesting to see how this plays out on appeal [13:08] wow. I don't understand how that's justified at all. [13:08] it's a sad day [13:08] yes [13:08] when slamd64 torrents suffer [13:09] they haven't suffered... yet [13:09] appeals process can drag out forever [13:11] You know, i would love to see all file sharing go away and then when these idiot big wigs shit themselves because they can't find anything on the internet go "Oh crap...". [13:11] well, there are enough other torrent sites [13:11] there's also google [13:11] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [13:11] the biggest filesharing site of them all [13:12] agentc0re, that won't happen. [13:12] Yes, but if this happened to TPB, thing about what would happen to the rest of them? Probably easier process since they already got away with it with the largest one. [13:12] nah, there will be new technologies on the horizon. [13:13] distributed sharing. [13:13] google caches a lot of shit too, shouldn't that somehow fall under the same problem? [13:13] agentc0re|work, maybe, if they happen to be in sweden too [13:14] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:14] erizoe (n=kambee@ip68-14-135-46.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:14] me mate told me the torrent stuff on i2p works regulary at 50kbps for him [13:15] eh, 50k/s [13:16] LinuxyEr1n (n=erin@adsl-76-208-82-72.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:16] i'm not quite understanding something. pirate bay's a problem for swedish courts because the site is a torrent search engine? [13:16] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:16] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:17] antler, in a nutshell [13:17] paul424 (i=0@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:18] slackytude: i'm sure there's more to it, or google would be attacked for the same reason. no? [13:18] hi all I ahve still problems with my ati driver catalyst [13:18] antler, yes [13:18] superGear (n=supergea@97-118-37-182.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:18] well, helping someone commit a crime usually makes you an accomplice [13:18] http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/04/the-pirate-bay-verdict-guilty-with-jail-time.ars [13:18] wether it's a crime is debatable [13:18] in first place [13:18] "By providing a site with, as the district court found, sophisticated search functions, easy upload and storage, and a website linked to the tracker," the defendants were guilty of assisting copyright infringement, the court said. [13:19] paul424, what slackware version? [13:19] they should get life in prison [13:19] for what? [13:20] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:20] erm.. um... erm... terrorism? [13:20] when I do try to call fromn console : I am in init 3 ; startxfce it says : fglrx(0): weight given (0000) is inconsistent with depth(32) [13:20] right [13:20] Action: Bl0tt0 grasps for more straws [13:20] Old_Fogie : slackware 12.0 [13:20] terror against MPAA/RIAA/BSA/ETC [13:20] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:20] paul424, fglrx can't do 32 bit, it can only do 16 or 24 [13:20] superGear, funky definition of terror [13:21] paul424, use the DefaultDepth 24 <-- in /etc/X11/xorg.conf [13:21] lf4 (n=lf4@71.199.22.31) left irc: "rebooting" [13:21] so i guess TPB will close its doors [13:21] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:21] or move to fidji [13:21] guess again :D [13:22] their servers aren't even in sweden [13:23] slackytude: i'm no supporter of pirated software, music, games, etc., but the verdict seems quite unreasonable. oh well. [13:23] Action: Fiyawerkin loves stupid people, makes my day go by so much easier [13:24] hmm, doesnt that mean cd/dvd burner mfgr's would be liable for ripping cds? [13:24] many sites, by that reasoning, could be seen as tools, for example, to aid one in committing murder. [13:24] the fock is this world coming to?! [13:24] yeah yeah, support RIAA - prepare your children for paying for each breath they take [13:25] antler, hell? [13:25] oh, it alaready is here %) [13:25] ah, could be worse [13:25] paul424_ (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:25] if you can complain about TPB, you have it good [13:26] google should be sued by the RIAA/MPAA/BSA/ETC [13:26] slackytude: ain't that the truth. [13:26] just back .... everythijng crased .... [13:26] Old_Fogie: could you send me your Xorg.conf ? [13:27] superGear (n=supergea@97-118-37-182.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:27] trolled and vanished [13:27] Yes quite the troll [13:27] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:27] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [13:27] paul424_, I dont have a slack 12 config, and the locations of the libs it loads, the mouse driver (iirc) are different, you cant just copy/paste it in. pastebin yours let me take a look at it. [13:30] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.94.134.34) joined ##slackware. [13:31] i wonder if i could get a hold of the trial transcript. i see a good paper in this. [13:31] Old_Fogie:http://paste.linuxassist.net/214406 [13:33] they are a few xorg.conf files at /etc/X11 and looking under total comander they have extentions like : orginal-0 orginal-1 fglrx-0 [13:33] Old_Fogie: ??? [13:34] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:34] yup looking at it now [13:34] paul424_, ^ [13:34] antler, trial transcripts are all over the interwebs [13:34] like this [13:34] http://purpleflagship.wordpress.com/2009/03/07/the-pirate-bay-trial-transcript-peter-sunde/ [13:35] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [13:37] slackytude: i meant the complete transcript, dated, witnesses sworn in, testamonies, etc. translated, if in another language. [13:37] hrm [13:38] paul424 (i=0@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:38] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:39] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:40] paul424_, comparing yourse and mine, then cleaning up yours I got this here for ya to take a look at: http://pastebin.com/d587d1dae [13:40] keoni (i=1000@208-106-15-140.dyn.c-h-a-d.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:40] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-67-127-184-245.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [13:41] enough transcript to start producing toilet paper. like some japanese joker did with vista sp changelog. might be popular between torrent users. make a fortune maybe. who's ready to start the enterprise? lol [13:41] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:43] Old_Fogie: ok thanks, seems the Option "AIGLX" "off" wasn't there [13:43] paul424_, alot more then that, your telling fglrx in one spot, then radeon in the next on $DIETY knows which monitor :) [13:44] paul424_, aticonfig just messes up the display of xorg.conf...it's best to clean out that stuff, so you're eye can tell what is going on...the file get's huge :) [13:44] john_dee: o.O [13:44] sluckxz (n=sluckxz@24-116-8-105.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [13:45] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:45] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:45] paul424_, if you take the stock xorg.conf file that Slack gives, believe it or not, you just need to edit Driver "radeon" to Driver "fglrx" and change the DefaultDepth to 16 (or 24) and add the bottome section I have in that file I gave you. ONce you run ati-config it changes a bunch of values in the file,and really confuses things more I find. [13:46] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:47] yeap but didn't know that earlier ..... the official manual says to run aticonf ;) [13:47] paul424_, yea. but the stock file is probably still in your /etc/X11 directory :) [13:47] it's tagged with 'vesa' in the name [13:48] that's a backup copy of the xorg that slack ships [13:48] paul424_, ^^ [13:48] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [13:48] ok i will try ;) [13:48] paul424_, or grep -rl xorg.conf /var/log/packages/ and extract the file out of the package it lists [13:49] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:49] ok ok thanks [13:49] from the install media (cd/dvd) etc [13:49] paul424_, yw [13:50] paul424_ (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Client Quit [13:52] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:53] superGear (n=supergea@97-118-37-182.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:53] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [13:53] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-14-135-46.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:54] can someone tell me why all images appear black in firefox before i maximize them? [13:54] Did you apply any updates lately? [13:54] and what version of Slackware are you running? [13:54] 12.2 [13:55] Has it always done this or did it just start? [13:55] its not with all imgaes but most of em [13:55] are you blocking porn? [13:55] its always been like that [13:55] :P [13:55] mmm porn [13:55] I've not seen that happen [13:55] ttyX, do you have a nvidia GFX card? I have the same issue when I use the nv driver, changing to the non-free 3D drivers resolves the problem [13:55] unless you have some weird plugin in firefox causing the issue [13:56] lf4 (n=lf4@71.199.22.31) joined ##slackware. [13:56] I've got an ATI here [13:57] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:57] and am using xf86-video-ati driver forit [13:57] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:57] which isopensource i believe [13:58] SlackLnx (n=Lee@85.139.11.87) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:59] SlackLnx (n=Lee@85.139.11.87) joined ##slackware. [13:59] ttyX, OK, I thought it was related to just the nv driver, but apparently not. Perhaps it's Firefox and not xorg as I've been thinking [13:59] there is believed is an answer: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=1186 [13:59] ..for ttyX [14:00] Linus (n=Lee@85.139.11.158) joined ##slackware. [14:00] thanks for the link agris, this has been bugging me for a while [14:01] thank agrisill try it [14:01] damn keyboard [14:01] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-20.hnet.ru) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:01] :) [14:02] 'agrisill' sounds like a new headache pill :P [14:02] hehe [14:02] my keyboard does gimme acouple of those :p [14:05] mohaa (n=mohaa@ANantes-157-1-171-185.w90-59.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:06] is there a command to know the date of slackware installation :) [14:07] have you upgraded your install? [14:07] think of a file which only gets created on installation and never changes. See the date on it [14:08] ls -l /etc/slackware-version might be your best bet [14:08] adrifth: you should write for trivial pursuit :P [14:08] Action: adrifth googles for 'trivial pursuit' [14:09] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [14:10] Action: adrifth finds too many different connotations. Ditches the pursuit of the answer in the end [14:10] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [14:10] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:11] adrifth: i dont think if there is a file of that type [14:12] ah! you did take me seriously! Sure will be. i guess. i donno [14:12] Thursap: have you upgraded versions of slackware ? [14:13] thrice`: no, i did a fresh install [14:13] thrice`: is fully awake. Take is advice Thursap [14:13] okam i screwed since i just removed pkgtools :p [14:13] superGear (n=supergea@97-118-37-182.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:13] *his [14:14] how cn i renstall pkgtools now? [14:14] upgradepkg --install-new ? [14:15] isnt that already a part of pkgtools? [14:15] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:15] download and extract the package using tar and then do the install manually susing advanced tools like mv and cp [14:15] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:15] ttyX, I'm guessing here, but off the top of my head, I'd say extract the files by hand out on the HD , and then recreate any symlinks from the doinst.sh ; then I'd actually installpkg it over agin to register it [14:15] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:15] ye indeed [14:15] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.48.195) joined ##slackware. [14:16] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:16] slckpkg wont do it for me? [14:16] slckpkg* [14:16] slackpkg* [14:16] use the slackware bootcd? [14:17] chroot and all that? [14:17] advance tools like mv and cp and tar lol [14:17] heh, how come slackpkg isn't installed.. :) [14:17] hey! don't insult me! :) [14:17] Linus (n=Lee@85.139.11.158) left irc: Client Quit [14:18] tank-man: Whoa those are expert tools. [14:18] SlackLnx (n=Lee@85.139.11.87) left irc: Connection timed out [14:18] slackpkg isnt part of pkgtools thats why? [14:18] Thursap: ok, ls -l /etc/slackware-version [14:21] doesn't slackpkg use those pkgtools? [14:21] yes, of course [14:22] Ilie (i=1000@93.112.81.65) joined ##slackware. [14:22] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:22] I just installed slackware 12.2 and I'm very happy of how things work [14:23] thanks for this lovely distribution and for the people that suport it [14:23] :> [14:23] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Connection reset by peer [14:23] thirce`: on my machine, the result is 2008-12-02, which of course is not the date i installed. i think it's the date of creation just some days before the release of the distro [14:23] what are you changing from, Ilie ? [14:23] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:23] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Connection reset by peer [14:23] windows 7 :) [14:23] k that worked [14:23] oh my :) [14:24] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [14:24] thanks for the tip Old_Fogie [14:24] duryodhan (n=devdatta@nat/yahoo/x-9ec02e9b680ce781) left irc: "leaving" [14:24] w [14:24] yw [14:24] I used linux before for a couple of years, tryed everything from ubuntu to arch linux etc. but I never felt the way I feel when I have slackware [14:24] I'm having an issue with a mounted NTFS partition, fstab is set to umask=002 and I tired to chown the dir its mounted to but its not working. Any ideas? [14:24] Thursap: what about doing an ls -l on something that hasn't been upgraded or reinstalled in /var/log/packages? [14:25] lf4: I hate to say it but archlinux wiki has a good tut on settings things up with ntfs-3g [14:25] maybe aaa_elflibs? [14:25] Thanks ttyX :) didn't know that [14:26] np [14:27] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:27] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:27] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:28] Bl0tt0: that makes sense, i think the file kernel-generic... for example just give the right answer 8) [14:28] adrifth: heheh "trivial pursuit" is a board game :) [14:28] oh isee [14:28] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:28] and I thought it was something like nfs hot pursuit [14:29] eh, great [14:29] smica (n=smica@wr1imwx2q8.adsl.datanet.hu) joined ##slackware. [14:33] Bl0tt0: i think viewing the first line of /var/log/messages is also a good choice [14:33] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:34] isn't that rotated though? [14:35] what is the command to see all hardware of the computer, like 'lshw' on Ubuntu and Fedore? i dont see this command on Slack. [14:35] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:35] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [14:35] lspci ? [14:36] lspci, lsusb, lshal [14:36] oh and lsdev [14:36] What is a good CLI app for playing MP3's? [14:37] damn, lspcmcia and lsscsi as well [14:37] lf4: MPlayer of course [14:37] is that true there's a vulnerability in udev that can grant root access to the attacker? [14:37] and its affects all2.6 kernels [14:37] eh? [14:37] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [14:37] Action: adrifth suspects ttyX is holding on to some undisclosed vuln [14:38] Or trolling [14:38] lf4, mpd [14:38] I've read that too ttyX [14:38] http://www.h-online.com/open/Vulnerabilities-in-Linux-allow-root-privileges--/news/113081 [14:38] lf4, why not mount ntfs-3g with desired uid and gid parameters? [14:38] oh noes! [14:38] Action: slackytude stops udev [14:38] I hope they fix it soon though [14:38] i think i have just been rooted! [14:38] http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-758-1 [14:39] john_dee: I would but I dont know much about ntfs-3g just basics to get an NTFS mounted. [14:39] but unrelated to slack. i'm running xp [14:39] lf4: you want read / write access? [14:39] It's not even a proof of concept, really [14:39] ttyX: ^ [14:39] aye [14:39] well, at least its local only [14:39] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:40] I think any udev before 141 [14:40] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:40] lf4, well, it's pretty much the same for different filesystems. mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/whatever /mnt/wherever -o uid=0,gid=10. somthing like that [14:40] even with fstab? [14:41] Novell is building some rep I see :p [14:41] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [14:41] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:42] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:42] lf4, yes [14:42] why dont they have an exaile slckbuild [14:42] adrifth (n=Salle@210.211.129.68) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:42] slackbuild* [14:43] damn vmware, i cant get the dang screen res set [14:43] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:43] dump vmware try virtualbox? [14:44] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:44] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [14:44] hello [14:44] I love virtualbox :) [14:44] Hi toastytoast [14:45] hey anyone else use ati cards in here? [14:45] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.94.134.34) left irc: "Saliendo" [14:45] i do [14:45] depends for what :P [14:45] Action: lf4 <--- onboard ATI lol [14:45] onboard ati ftw! [14:46] :p [14:46] have you had problems with the new fglrx? [14:46] Haha ttyX ASUS mobo [14:46] toastytoast: Yes I was [14:46] like for me i can't get any to work after 8.9 [14:47] and 8.8 seems to work the best [14:47] i try to install the ati drivers ... I even made some progres : I can run the startxfce4 and it works normally but when I try do the telinint 4 where the kde is the default graphical interface it hangs . [14:47] no i've got mean ancient lappy with p4 proc [14:47] Action: slackytude has onboard ati as well [14:47] radeon mobility oldschool edition [14:47] don't know how to start fixing that .... [14:47] :D [14:47] maybe i should write ati a long email about fixing there drivers [14:47] AMD does suck at drivers [14:48] but there hardware is gr8 [14:48] well liek i said 8.8 works well [14:48] but meh [14:48] lol hardware = paperweight if drivers dont work [14:48] drivers are a bit of a pain in the arse though [14:48] Example ATI 4890 [14:48] ttyX: http://pastebin.ca/1395167 [14:49] yay sb updates [14:49] paul424, any errors ? [14:49] paul424, how does it hang [14:49] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:49] Action: toastytoast sighs ati was getting better now it's back to the way there video drivers work i guess hit or miss [14:49] hmm no it just gives the balck screen and does not obay any signal [14:50] back to when they first came out [14:50] I've got an x1200 on mymsi [14:50] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:50] Action: toastytoast gots hd 4650 [14:50] it's friggin awsome [14:50] paul424, anything in the log? [14:51] Haha nVidia/AMD ;) [14:51] ati fanboy, gygy :) [14:51] well i do hope they fix the bugs ion there 9.x version druivers soon it's annoying installing them then trying to start fluxbox and getting a black screen [14:51] better than a whitescreen tho [14:52] toastytoast: u shud be happy then "p [14:52] :p [14:52] or bluescreen(Windows) ;) [14:52] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [14:52] lol well luckly i figured they prolly wouldn't work [14:52] better than bsod u can say ofc [14:52] so i still have my .tgz for 8.8 :) [14:52] black screen of death - same acronym ;p [14:52] haha [14:52] true that but the system stays up doesnt it [14:53] only when starting X [14:53] ttyX: So does windows you just cant do anything but its still drawing power. [14:53] windows resets [14:53] dumping physical mem n blah blah [14:53] perhaps one of you ati guys could make a slackbuild for the drivers - seems to be a few people here lately with problem installing? [14:53] actually it freezes :P [14:54] dive its there [14:54] nice :-) [14:54] dive: Yes I would agree someone should make a SB for ATI drivers. [14:55] http://slackwiki.org/ATI_Graphics [14:55] I will call it "At Times Impossible to install" [14:55] well what i useually do is ati-driver-installer-8-8-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Slackware/All [14:55] ye that's wht meant [14:55] I [14:56] right I see [14:56] slackytude: [14:56] instead of useing the gui isntaller [14:56] slackytude: upps ... , I mean the logs seems to be clear [14:56] I am loing xfce 4.6 [14:56] loving* [14:56] well i'm off do go for a drive and check out some schools. later :) [14:56] yeah it's good - I was a bit doubtful at first about the menu changes [14:57] lf4 (n=lf4@71.199.22.31) left irc: "leaving the cave of a room he has." [14:57] i'm still loveing fluxbos except i had to change the keys back the the way they are supose to be [14:57] but I've got used to that - and in fact putting a .desktop in /usr/share/applications/ makes it system wide which is useful [14:58] toastytoast, why what was wrong with your custom keys? [14:58] em.hey, my old brains forgot... what was that remote desktop software to connect to x.org? not vnc, but with x prefix [14:58] xvnc? [14:58] not vnc :) [14:58] eh btw how trustworthy is github.com? [14:58] i started to get used to ctrl+f1,f2,f3 but i changed it back to alt+fA,f2,f3... [14:58] I've found couple of slckbuilds on it [14:58] paul424, but startx works you say? [14:58] dive, huh? how does it make it global? [14:58] agris: rdesktop? [14:59] agris, nx ? [14:59] slackytude, cos every user can read that dir for menu apps [14:59] em [14:59] x11vnc [14:59] dive, ah ok [14:59] slackytude: I don't know I just try with init 4 does it make any diffrence [14:59] ie add a new user and the apps are there [14:59] dive, O_o on the desktop? [15:00] no, .desktop files are read by the xfce menu [15:00] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:00] startx>init:4 imho [15:00] also desktop but in this case /usr/share/applications/ is for menu [15:00] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:00] thrice, slackytude: xrdp [15:00] thanks [15:01] brb [15:01] agris, isnt xrdp still using vnc? [15:01] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [15:02] slackytude: I don't know, so I decided to figure it out right now ;) [15:02] dive, ok [15:02] some said it's refreshing faster than vnc [15:02] dive, there is the skel dir for placing stuff on desktop tho [15:02] ttyX: what do you mean by > ??? [15:02] better than [15:03] paul424: startx is a better choice [15:03] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:04] what mp3 player do u guys use ? [15:04] how safe are zenwalk packages on slack? [15:04] I see no reason why init 4 should fail if startx works tho [15:04] ttyX: ok but HOw should I futher examine the errors ? [15:04] DeeeeP: depends on desktop environment [15:04] ttyX, xfce ? [15:05] paul424, so I ask again, startx works yes? [15:05] I have to check [15:05] Ilie (i=1000@93.112.81.65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:05] xfmedia is there for xfce [15:05] light weight [15:05] DeeeeP: mpg321 ;) [15:06] agris, :not that minimal [15:06] :) [15:06] xfmedia is not on current [15:06] amarok then the best [15:06] i use amarok inside of fluxbox to altho i might switch to songbird soon [15:06] if using X [15:06] slackbuilds has it DeeeeP [15:06] ok [15:06] i use audacious [15:06] but it takes 144 MB of ram [15:06] I removed kDE :p [15:06] vfw (n=vfw@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [15:07] everything went with it [15:07] ?? [15:07] if i was running a slower machin i prolly wouldn't use amarok [15:07] amarok is the best though [15:07] toastytoast: well, your choice then is? such as mine - mpg321? :) [15:08] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:08] but not 2.0 [15:08] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:08] i convert all my csongs to ogg [15:08] mpg321 i don't think has support for ogg yet [15:08] my whole collection is vorbis too :D [15:08] or i coudln't get it to work [15:08] oh, i'm too lazy for that [15:08] maybe i jsut didn't try hard enough [15:08] pacpl [15:09] dhabyxc (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [15:09] slackytude, I'm just talking about menus - I never have anything on desktop except device icons [15:09] is what i sue to convert it's fast and works well [15:09] mmlj4-play (n=jkelly@209.16.86.78) joined ##slackware. [15:09] use* [15:09] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:09] so I wouldnm't know about skel(?) [15:09] wtf is skel? [15:09] Nick change: dhabyxc -> dhabyx [15:09] man skel? [15:09] /etc/skel [15:09] /etc/skel [15:09] hmm really? [15:09] the skeleton dir [15:09] bash-3.1$ wtf skel [15:09] Gee... I don't know what skel means... [15:09] bash-3.1$ whatis skel [15:09] Channel flood from toastytoast -- kicking [15:09] skel: nothing appropriate [15:09] toastytoast kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [15:10] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:10] wow [15:10] yeah [15:10] thats a samll flood tolerance [15:10] what's a valid non-login shell? I want to allow FTP but not ssh... or is there a way to disallow certain lusers from ssh? [15:10] 4 lines and out [15:10] that's why tinyurl.com is on topic ;P [15:10] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-87.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:10] lusher00 (n=lusher00@c-71-205-111-167.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:10] why is ubuntu so good looking? [15:10] is it? :D [15:10] and the derivatives too [15:11] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-9-133.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:11] http://www.linfo.org/etc_skel.html [15:11] ttyX: who said it was? It's fugly [15:11] brb [15:11] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [15:11] lol no its not [15:11] Xubuntu is beautiful [15:11] omg [15:11] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:11] no am not ill :p [15:12] ttyX: we beg to differ [15:12] bruc3 (n=bruc3@189.56.20.108) joined ##slackware. [15:12] you knwo what i think looks like a promissing new distro [15:12] wolvix [15:12] someone used framework metaexploit? [15:12] wolix might dethrone zenwalk [15:13] me thinks [15:13] it was yesterday, i told my teacher at uni that ubuntu sux and as soon as his course ends i delete that ubuntu off of my pc. he said ubuntu is obligatory for his course [15:13] I wasnt aware zenwalk was on a throne [15:13] lol@agris [15:13] WHAT? [15:13] why the hell do you NEED ubuntu [15:13] so the saying is true [15:13] slackware can do everything ubuntu can and more plus it does it better [15:14] If you learn RedHat u learn redhat but if you learn slackware u lern linux. [15:14] learn arch and you'll learn linux [15:14] i've found arch a real pain to set up soemtimes [15:14] arch is stck between gentoo and slackwre [15:14] :p [15:14] dive, http://www.linfo.org/etc_skel.html [15:15] not a bad place to be [15:15] arch is good though [15:15] but mslckware lovestruck [15:15] :p [15:15] I tried gentoo once [15:16] and it took 3 days to setup lol [15:16] arch is what i'm putting on my "new" laptop for learnign perl [15:16] that day I came to know I really have ancient hardware :p [15:16] toastytoast, what has the OS to do with perl? [15:16] nothing [15:16] +1 slackytude [15:17] then ? [15:17] i'm doing it mainly becasue i don't feel liek going through the slackware menu and installing only the minumum packages [15:17] toastytoast: I've been thinking bout it lately [15:17] where a full arch install is onle like 500mb [15:17] and the laptop i'm getting has a 6.4gb hd [15:17] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:17] but in the end I realised that slackware installs all dev libraries n all so less deps needed for uilding packages [15:18] lessapin in the arse :p [15:18] pain* [15:18] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Client Quit [15:18] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-14-135-46.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:18] mmlj4-play, not sure what you mean with valid non-login shell. you can tell ssh to deny users or groups tho [15:19] toastytoast: you can always use tag files if you want [15:19] omfg [15:19] slckware is as expandable as they get [15:19] i just spent the last 2 hrs finding a loop'd switch [15:19] agris_ (n=agris@195.13.163.133) joined ##slackware. [15:19] my friend went through and did a custom minimum isntall of slackware says it took him a few hours [15:19] that's why http://paste.lisp.org/display/78755 [15:19] Necos: fun. [15:20] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:20] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:20] it does take a fair bit of time [15:20] but itw all works out in the end [15:20] which is what i would have to do i don't wanna wit through it all [15:20] sit* [15:20] you can try wolvix [15:21] according to the author it has all the base slack libs [15:21] soits basically stripped down slackware unlike zenwalk [15:21] I gotta give it a shot sometime [15:21] zenwalk started as a minimul slackware [15:21] then it got fat [15:21] and greedy [15:22] still not as bad as fedora is tho [15:22] austrumi linux isn't fat and is derrivative of slackware :) [15:22] Fedora lol [15:22] I had kernelpanic right after fresh install [15:22] never hadthose with any distro [15:22] not even bunt [15:22] buntu* [15:23] there was times when redhat was one of the best :) ... with 6.2 version [15:23] my first linux os :D [15:23] novell hs surpassed redhat [15:23] atleast in termsos usability [15:24] of* [15:24] heh, i started with RH4.2 >.> [15:24] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:25] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:25] Suse is actually bsed on slckware :p [15:25] it used to be [15:25] when it started [15:25] long ago it was [15:25] ubuntu isn't bad my favorite ubuntu flavor is fluxbuntu [15:25] anymore its FHS compliant rpm-based [15:25] best rpm distro is mandriva imho [15:25] i don't use it any more but i think it is a ood starter linux [15:25] yea not too long ago, like 10 it was, they still had some stuff still left in [15:25] ttyX: I hate mandriva [15:26] derived from? you mean after a set of finite steps, zenwalk is deducible from the slackware set, whatever that is? [15:26] and mandriva is pretty under rated methinks [15:26] now it's based on Windows [15:26] I've used mandriva.. is a POS [15:26] progex is based on wiondwos [15:26] I was using mandrake when they bought out Conectiva and became mandriva.. went to hell from there [15:26] mac is based on windows :p [15:26] not really >.> [15:26] I've yet to ever find a box happy with mandriva [15:26] whatever you ahve against mandriva progex beats it in the bad distro catagory [15:27] it's based on BSD / NeXT (using the mach kernel) [15:27] stop spreading nonsense [15:27] i booted the live dvd and was like NOOOO WINDOWS [15:27] Necos: I was kidding? [15:27] Old_Fogie: Try openSUSE out.. I think you'd be surprised [15:27] It based on BSd I know [15:27] Old_Fogie: openSUSE's *installer* found my wireless card [15:27] shmalu (i=shmalu@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/x-a5e362417b42c743) joined ##slackware. [15:27] openSUSE is good [15:27] aye I use it on my laptop [15:27] it wa when lst time i tried it [15:28] but underneath its all the same [15:28] linux kernel [15:28] :D [15:28] Action: Necos stabs ttyX [15:28] no more funny business outta you [15:28] ubuntu has a linux kernel.. I sstill don't like it [15:28] Dominian, I'm not a 'freetard' (for lack of better term at the moment) but the whole mono thing really just puts me off. I think it's nice for corporate that it's there (the mono) so their legal can sign the cluases and all, but it just doesnt seem to make sense to "me" as a home user per se'. [15:29] Debian rolls oout custom kernelpatches [15:29] Old_Fogie: meaning what? [15:29] ttyX: debian rolls out custom everything [15:29] ttyX, yup they'll even remove stuff from the kernel, like firmware [15:29] Slackware keepsit all no fuss :D [15:29] I like debian, but yanking firmware is just ridiculous .. when they have no problem violating patents [15:30] agris (n=agris@195.13.163.133) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:30] Ilie (i=1000@93.112.81.65) joined ##slackware. [15:30] eh, OpenSuse is still crap [15:30] Nick change: agris_ -> agris [15:30] any good torrent application ? [15:30] last time I saw it [15:30] I cant stand the yast [15:30] torrentflux [15:30] I installed bittornado from extra and deluge and neither does work [15:30] Dominian, just meaning I wont use it for my own personal use, for a business, I might after legal goes thru the 'patent coverage' docs. [15:30] Ilie: transmission and Deluge [15:30] Kerio2004 (n=Port@77.31.48.244) joined ##slackware. [15:30] altho i still use transmission [15:30] if u dnt like ktorrent [15:30] thanks for the tips [15:31] Old_Fogie, we are looking at porting our .Net to mono [15:31] but my friend swears by torrentflux [15:31] Deluge works slightly better than transmission for me [15:31] hmmm ;) i won't say, i use bittorrent command line tool :D [15:31] slackytude, oh yea? how's it working out? good? [15:31] Old_Fogie, Im not if it will ever been done, we keep looking hard at it for months noq [15:31] oh [15:31] ctorrent is pretty nice i thought when i was useing it [15:32] i used it when my pionex case actually had pionex hardware in it [15:32] Old_Fogie, its just an idea managment likes to throw [15:32] around [15:32] I want something with a gui, easy to use [15:32] ctorrent? i was pretty unable to give it a decent boost. it was so unbelieveable slow on my connection [15:32] slackytude, do your existing apps work with the mono tho at least? [15:32] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-14-135-46.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] it was fast for me ctorrent that is [15:33] rtorrent and even azureus/vuze were almost three times faster with the samt torrent / tracker [15:33] Ilie, I recommend qbittorrent - but it does depend on qt4 and certain version libtorrent-rasterbar [15:33] s/samt/same [15:33] dive: qbittorrent has a lot of stuff missing [15:33] Old_Fogie, wihch existing apps? there are very few .net stuff and you mostly have to rewrite some of it to get it running [15:33] but rtorrent is cool if you really are for cli interfaces :) [15:33] Ilie, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/qbittorrent [15:34] slackytude, oh? it's not a drop in substitute (mono over .net) ? [15:34] ttyX, stuff missing? [15:34] thanks for the llink [15:34] np [15:34] slackytude, huh I thought it was (or should've been) by the way it's reported and such [15:34] yeah no advance info about the torrent [15:34] ah right [15:34] do you guys think it's weird i put really nice hardware in my old pionex case? [15:34] I installed transmission meanwhile and It works ... [15:34] never used that anyway [15:34] toastytoast: nope [15:35] Old_Fogie, well, in theory yes, but there is a lot of bad coders too ^-^ like hard coding paths and whatnot [15:35] Transmission is good [15:35] cutting a whole in the top for a 120mm fan was a bitch tho [15:35] qbittorrent has a very useful search feature [15:35] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:35] transmission is ok [15:35] ktorrent, I like better [15:35] but never provides full speed atleast to me [15:35] slackytude, ah I see [15:35] qbittorrent is able to search all major torrent sites [15:35] me too ... but I try to use only gnome,xfce applications on xfce [15:35] Deluge does it fine though [15:35] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [15:35] dhabyxc (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [15:36] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:36] why dont they have an exaileslackbuild [15:36] not that I use it much anymore - I use rtrrent [15:36] ttyX, exailes is? [15:36] exaile [15:36] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:36] music player [15:36] gtk+ [15:36] Nick change: dhabyxc -> dhabyx [15:37] not many depsunlike others [15:37] you can always make a slackbuild and submit it [15:37] I was thinking about it maybe i should grab some old sb and modify [15:37] I just configured a dual display on slackware using ati's driver, (with aticonfig) any idea how can I acces the first desktop using a keystroke ? [15:37] or how can I change between them without moving the mouse ? [15:37] ttyX, there are templates and instructions on SBo [15:38] no I meanold exaile sbs are there [15:38] ah [15:38] Action: toastytoast whinks he should get 2 voodoo2 cards and sli them together [15:38] thinks* [15:38] ttyX, it hasn't been updated lately? [15:38] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:38] nope [15:38] email maintainer and ask if he's going to an update [15:38] slacky.eu has the sb dunno bout slakbuilds.org though [15:39] i found them on ebay $85 for 2 of them with sli cables [15:39] and if not suggest you could do an update [15:39] altho thats ver expensive for 2 12mb cards [15:39] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:39] 112mb crds lol [15:39] 12mb* [15:39] if it's not on SBo then you should be able to submit it [15:40] no its not there m sure bout that [15:40] yeas but the reason why i want them is becasue they were the first ever SLI cards [15:40] ruben23 (n=ITadmin@124.107.3.178) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:40] sli si older than cf? [15:40] Action: toastytoast wishes 3dfx was stilla round [15:40] ttyX, let me know how it goes - if you need any help with it I can help perhaps [15:40] yes sli was introduce in 98 [15:40] Portmapper (n=Port@77.31.48.244) left irc: Connection timed out [15:40] I will dive [15:40] ruben23 (n=ITadmin@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [15:40] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:40] ttyX, we all will [15:41] ah, nvm [15:41] lol wot? [15:41] Action: dive throws a brick at slackytude *bonk* [15:41] riot!! [15:41] Ill begin the task 2moro [15:41] I hev to sleep now [15:41] right [15:41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voodoo2 first ever SLI card [15:41] college in the morning [15:41] fucking EPIC [15:42] voodoo2, i still have mine [15:42] it's the shit ^^ [15:42] college in the morning,ATI fanoy thinks cfx pwnssli :p [15:42] I been an nvidia fanboy since my TNT 1 [15:42] you haz the SLI togethered? [15:42] so poopoovoodoo [15:42] ruben23 (n=ITadmin@124.107.3.178) left ##slackware. [15:42] and ati [15:42] ok guys [15:43] nn [15:43] lol [15:43] goodnight [15:43] later ttyx [15:43] cyz 2moro hopefully [15:43] yeppers [15:43] if 3dfx didn't go bankrupt in 200 i would prolly have a 3dfx carn instead of my ati [15:43] bye ttyX [15:43] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left irc: "leaving" [15:43] card* [15:43] i had a voodoo3 [15:43] actually, where 3dfx f'd up was they tried to incorporate 2d and 3d on to the same board [15:44] they were good at 3d... they should have stuck to it [15:44] yeah I read about that stuff some time ago [15:44] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [15:44] being a UT fan too [15:44] UT was made for 3dfx I think [15:44] my voodoo3 was amazing i know this isn't rlly saying to much but it got almost 800fps in glxgears [15:44] i_is_cat_ (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:45] its a 16mb card [15:45] i was like how the hell [15:45] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:45] then i was like cool [15:45] test34- (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "Leaving" [15:45] toastytoast, don't matter for memory with glxgears - the 16mb is texture memory afaik [15:45] still the card was from 98 [15:45] and there are no textures in glxgears [15:45] weird, I can't mount my cdrom's [15:45] yeah that's quit good then [15:46] in xfce, that's strange, last time it worked [15:46] i'm trying to get my friend to buy a voodoo5 for his machine [15:46] he has an agp slot [15:46] and he doesn't hav a psu big enough to support his x1650 pro right now [15:47] voodoo5 was a POS [15:47] how so? [15:47] i never got to use one [15:47] or was it the 4 that was a POS... [15:47] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) joined ##slackware. [15:47] so i hionestly don't know [15:47] maybe it was the banshee [15:47] ? [15:48] eh, banshee [15:48] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:48] i saw them at E3 or some another trade show [15:48] which was came out with the voodoo4 but was a lower perfomance one [15:48] or somehting liek that [15:48] *or some other trade show [15:48] omzine (n=othermin@81.sub-75-216-15.myvzw.com) left irc: "Where ever you may be, be well. Namarië." [15:48] it was absolute garbage lol [15:49] you knwo what would be cool [15:49] fridge? :) [15:49] if somehow i could get my hans on a voodoo5 6000 [15:49] only like 100 were made and they were never released [15:49] Necos, the last voodoo was apparently worse than the one before - thats as much as I can remember [15:49] that was the final nail in the coffin [15:50] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:50] still i wish they were still aorund [15:50] they were a good company jsut made some really bad mistakes [15:50] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:51] yeah dive [15:52] it had shitty thermal performance, and the gaming performance increase was minimal [15:52] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [15:52] i still liked my voodoo3 [15:52] if my pionex mb haddn't fried [15:53] harmattan (n=harmatta@82.159.59.50.dyn.user.ono.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:53] i would have tried to get a voodoo5 for it [15:53] ah :( [15:53] nah, the V3 was probably the last good card they made, but it just didn't match the V2 [15:54] but lucky [15:54] it gave me a oldschool case to put my new machine in [15:54] but what can you do with a v2 these days? [15:54] EVERYTHIGN... [15:54] play quake2 [15:54] it runs pretty fast, too. [15:54] you could play rune with it too [15:54] the only thing good about voodoo was 1) the name 2) some of the earler cards as far as I can make out [15:54] crisis? [15:54] heh [15:55] yes [15:55] you could play crisis [15:55] :p [15:55] at 2 fps [15:55] pretty good for 2 sli 12mb cards [15:55] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:55] well, you get more in software [15:56] =p [15:56] not dissing voodoo or anything but 12mb ram just doesnt cut it anymore [15:56] not with textures being the way they are [15:56] sure it does jsut play all the good old games [15:57] wow pacman [15:57] snigger [15:57] sorry [15:57] eh, good for noobfarm? [15:58] why are you broke? i live in ameirca kaffien [15:58] I think I'm a bit astringent at the moment - and I'm just about to look up what that means [15:58] and apperently [15:58] eh, guess not [15:58] yeah I think not being able to spell the name of the country you live in doesn't help lol [15:58] voodoo2 can play quake3 [15:58] aka poor [15:59] quake 3 is shite [15:59] UT [15:59] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431493.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:00] well, I think I will submit it anyway [16:00] and doom3? [16:00] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:00] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:01] http://www.firingsquad.com/media/gallery_image.asp/244/7 [16:01] oh wow - astringent according to aiksaurus: harsh, stimulating, simple(?) [16:01] vfw (n=vfw@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:01] 2/3 aint bad [16:02] toastytoast, looks like wolfenstein, but still impressive [16:02] or maybe like halflife in software mode [16:03] uva (i=bno@118-160-174-171.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:03] M-tty (n=M-tty@32.168.61.174) joined ##slackware. [16:04] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: "link closed" [16:05] here's what i think about your video cards http://carcino.gen.nz/images/index.php/35a796d8/5e08eed6 [16:07] i just got my Fed tax return today so i might go buy one of those [16:07] keoni (i=1000@208-106-15-140.dyn.c-h-a-d.net) joined ##slackware. [16:09] nullboy, nice lol [16:09] and why the hell does links -g run 10x faster on my T21 than on the T42? [16:09] weirdddd [16:11] aaargh! how come it's so f***ing hard to make a deb compared to making a tgz in makepkg? i hate package-managers that relies on dependencies... [16:11] umm [16:11] v3gard, welcome to the jungle [16:11] because debs have a lot more meta data? [16:12] nullboy: thanks, but I just needed to get some frustration out :P [16:12] I usually do it with a period [16:12] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:12] . [16:12] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:13] dive, O_o [16:13] or if I am sufficiently aroused: [16:13] ... [16:13] wtf [16:13] heh NOT THAT KIND OF PERIOD [16:13] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:13] wth [16:14] Dominian, ? [16:14] he's taking out his frustration in meaningful acronyms [16:14] sob [16:15] coming soon... aol chat rooms [16:15] bufu [16:15] heh [16:15] v3gard, get it working? if not you can pm on making a deb if you like [16:16] if Ian was more of a man it would be called Iandeb [16:17] yup, we know who wears the pants there :) [16:17] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:17] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:17] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:17] y0 Pig_Pen [16:17] but then iandeb is a bit of a crap name [16:17] hi slackytude [16:17] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:18] ghost2109 (n=james@monkeybubbles.plus.com) joined ##slackware. [16:18] debian users are funny [16:18] Pig_Pen, hi - you know about radios/tuners and stuff right? [16:18] yeah, a little bit [16:19] I've heard 3 different hardcore frothing-at-the-mouth debian zealots freaking out about the proper pronunciation of Debian [16:19] and all 3 of them pronounced it differently [16:19] I'm thinking of hifi tuners mostly - I just bought a Denon TU 260L II and I need a remote - any ideas for a universal that might work? [16:19] put them in the arena [16:19] "DEE-bian", "DAY-bian", "DEB-ian" [16:19] three go in, only one comes out [16:19] like the thing in mad max [16:19] that i dont know, from what i hear Denon is a good brand name [16:19] in the case of these guys, zero come out [16:20] "DEB-ian" [16:20] thunderdom or sumthing [16:20] Pig_Pen, the tuner itself is faultless - the problem is remote is sold separately and for as much as I paid for the tuner.. [16:20] heh, I'm known to pronounce it to rhyme with "Nubian" [16:20] looking for a cheap universal that works [16:21] but that was in relaliation to a guy who pronounced Slackware with an N instead of an L [16:21] how about débilian [16:21] wow, too much for a tuner remote, i would suggest keeping an eye on craigslist or ebay for one [16:21] deb = debbie, ian = ian - how is that hard to fathom out? [16:21] yeah I'm looking [16:21] déßíæn [16:21] dive: well if I still knew these guys, you'd be welcome to try to convince them... just wear a mask to avoid getting flecks of foam in your face [16:21] ðéßíæn even [16:22] hehheh [16:22] lol yeah [16:22] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Leaving" [16:22] chain them up [16:22] do you have Futhark glyphs in your font? try writing it in runes [16:22] free the dogs and chain the humans [16:22] who would feed the dogs? [16:22] oh, right, the humans would get eaten [16:22] nope this is a custom keymap with latin9w - dunno what other characters it has [16:23] Urchlay, it's a dog eat dog world (after the humans) [16:23] well dive, the price of those universal remotes are decent, i would take a chance on one, if it does not work on the tuner you will always have a second one for your TV [16:24] i would not pay more than 15 or 20 bucks USD for one though [16:25] smica (n=smica@wr1imwx2q8.adsl.datanet.hu) left irc: [16:25] fireking (n=STRESSAD@201.86.180.14.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:27] Pig_Pen, yeah I found one for £7 ish [16:27] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431493.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:27] thats around 10 bucks I think [16:28] + post [16:28] http://www.remotecentral.com/ here is a place that does reviews on universal remote controls, might be a good place to research it [16:28] k thanks [16:28] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431493.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:28] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [16:28] ghost2109 (n=james@monkeybubbles.plus.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:29] M-tty (n=M-tty@32.168.61.174) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:31] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [16:31] lizardius (n=lizardiu@p57A8C8E6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:32] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:35] scubacuda (n=rog@65.42.208.134) joined ##slackware. [16:36] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:41] mmlj4-play (n=jkelly@209.16.86.78) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:41] othermindszine (n=othermin@87.sub-70-192-126.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [16:42] Ilie (i=1000@93.112.81.65) left irc: "Leaving" [16:44] posted there so might have a pointer with luck [16:45] this tuner won some awards or whatver from what hifi magazine for 3 or 4 years - you'd think there would be more remotes that support it [16:46] thanks for the link Pig_Pen - another resource [16:46] my stereo tuner is not an expensive one, i know without the remote i would not be able to access a few features (stereo/mono, programming stations to memory) [16:46] Action: Old_Fogie doesn't need a remote, he has grandkids :) [16:47] Old_Fogie: haha. [16:47] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-20.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:47] Old_Fogie, if I had grandkids I would put a fence up around my hifi and boxen [16:47] Old_Fogie: run around much, they like to do? [16:47] yeah! I had ritz crackers in my floppy slot the other day, was like WTF! [16:47] i remember as a kid (before cable TV and remote control) i had to change channels, we would get several between 2 & 13 and just two or three UHF channels [16:47] Old_Fogie: nice [16:48] haha, yeah , they like to do that, or throw coins down the central air ducts [16:48] but they change the channel on command, so I think I'll keep them [16:49] Old_Fogie, you have a floppy slot? when I last upgraded my dektop I didn't even bother putting one in [16:49] any of you guys know a way to get windows logs to linux? [16:49] kids :) [16:49] the old TVs with 2 thru 13 on one channel knob with UHF between 2 & 13 (set it to UHF) then use a second knob to tune the UHF channels [16:49] dive, yea still have one, still use it all the time to be honest [16:49] slackytude: windows has logs [16:49] usb usually in the back, floppy easier to get to [16:49] ? [16:49] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [16:49] Pig_Pen, yup we still have one of them here, tho dont use it since it's black n white [16:50] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:50] thumbs, yes, but get them to a single unix machine? [16:50] nmoura (n=kvirc@200.142.88.34) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [16:50] slackytude: I thought windows 'logged' to the event log only. [16:50] I got a usb hub coming out the back and a 4 inch 4 usb ports in front [16:50] damn things are taking over [16:50] hahah, yea more wires please! [16:51] and bios wont even boot usb grrr :< [16:53] I will upgrade, I will upgrade... [16:54] but athlon xp still works fine with agp slot and ide ports so don't see the reason [16:55] dive, got me one of them here, yup works good. [16:55] tho, my board has sata (never used them before tho) so if/when pata is no longer around, I buy one of them drives I guess [16:56] repelex- (n=STRESSAD@201.86.180.14.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:56] repelex- (n=STRESSAD@201.86.180.14.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [16:56] yeah I expect they will disappear one day [16:57] yea, agp cards too, they're like gold now for a half way decent one. [16:57] hmm [16:57] got a 6800 GT [16:57] you can buy 2 maybe 3 pci-x for the price of a good agp [16:57] :o [16:57] didnt know that [16:57] heck, I got a 6800GT AGP. still runs fine [16:57] fireking (n=STRESSAD@201.86.180.14.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:58] lotec, same [16:58] hell I think I've still got TNT agp and a TNT 2 pci in the box of crap behind this couch [16:58] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:58] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:59] dhabyxc (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [16:59] box of crap [16:59] got dual sound cards - SB16! and an Audigy [16:59] nice na,e [16:59] wow SB16 will be antique soon [16:59] lol [17:00] ?? black scales [17:00] antique yeah, but they still run good on slack [17:00] whoops [17:00] Action: Fiyawerkin facepalms again, wrong channel there [17:00] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:00] Old_Fogie, works fine routing sound to vcr/tv/hifi - thats all I need to know [17:00] Nick change: dhabyxc -> dhabyx [17:00] system sound through audigy [17:01] with semi decent speakers [17:01] my amd box has auidgy2zs with the external drive, and remote. tho I dont know if linux can work the remote for it, never googled [17:02] hmmm good point though [17:02] dhabyxc (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:02] would be worth finding out - whats the name of the remote application? [17:02] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:02] lirc [17:02] yeah [17:03] the manual on how to work it, was very scary, so I said screw it [17:03] well you got 1/2 the job done - the hardware is there already [17:03] heeh [17:03] that manual might have well been written in greek, cuz I can't understand any of it. [17:04] ah well - no hurry, the grandkids aren't big enough to say 'FU' yet [17:04] now, my ati remote control, well that just works in linux. dont have to do anything [17:04] dont even need lirc for it [17:04] ati? [17:04] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-9-133.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:04] for? [17:04] but it's radio waves, not an ir [17:04] 'ati all in wonder' [17:05] firebird_619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [17:05] firebird_619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Client Quit [17:05] rhys (n=rhys@dolphinmancer1.meds.cwru.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [17:05] right heard of them, never really looked at what they are [17:05] or do [17:05] dhabyxc (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left ##slackware ("/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop"). [17:05] firebird_619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [17:05] well don't buy the vga/tv card they suck on linux. but the remotes work, there supported in the kernel. but ATI's tv/vga card combos arent [17:05] y0 filipe_xD [17:05] y0 firebird619 [17:06] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:06] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:06] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [17:06] madbear (n=dude@c83-253-148-60.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:06] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.98) joined ##slackware. [17:06] Nick change: firebird_619 -> firebird619 [17:06] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [17:06] madbear (n=dude@c83-253-148-60.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [17:06] Hey slackytude. How's it going? [17:07] still ok ^-^ [17:07] you just got upß [17:07] ? [17:07] my kde batery plugin doesn't show the cpu speed (kde4.2) anyone with the same problem? [17:08] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:08] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:08] slackytude: No, it's 4:06 PM here, been up for a while. [17:08] Action: vastina doesn't use kde, let alone kde4 [17:09] eh, Im confused then [17:09] I'm Old_Fogie , nice to meet you [17:09] lol [17:09] whuddup Old_Fogie [17:09] How are you doing Old_Fogie? [17:09] hahah [17:09] -_- [17:10] id like to get my ir receiver working on my tuner [17:10] but i think its near impossible :( [17:10] y0 i_is_cat [17:10] Action: vastina is loving the snow outside today [17:10] what up slackytude [17:10] not much, ou? [17:10] vastina: snow? Where? [17:11] thinking of ways to get my tuners ir receiver working :S [17:11] thumbs: Colorado buddy [17:11] firebird619, got your opera gear already? [17:11] vastina: heh, it's bright, sunny, and 10 degrees in Canada. [17:11] thumbs: whereabouts up there man? [17:11] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:11] Montreal [17:11] slackytude: No, hasn't arrived yet. [17:11] it turns out my current receiver decodes the ir signal in the hardware so i cant use any of the other remotes i have [17:11] and that sucks :( [17:12] and i havent been able to find anything about the ir receiver on this tuner anywhere online [17:12] thumbs: haha i'd say i love Canada, but i was arrested in Toronto within 20 minutes of landing there and got questioned for nearly 15 miutes as to why i have two passports and me laughign and saying cause i'ma fucking spy, then two american TSA agents let me go, later my baggage was stolen in denver [17:12] vvor (n=vvor@bzq-79-176-147-83.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:12] vastina, lol [17:13] psychild (n=psychild@189.174.129.24) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:13] vastina: nice luck [17:13] slackytude: I'm not sure where it will come from, Opera HQ is in Oslo, Norway, but I know they have offices in the US as well, specifically California. [17:13] no, true story, and my life was in my lugagge, still irate [17:13] vastina: I don't like Toronto either. [17:13] firebird619, well, its not that long ago [17:14] no, it will take a little while. Something to look forward to getting though. :) [17:14] slackytude: It was just this past Tuesday. [17:14] yeah [17:14] oh, time flies [17:14] jota-__ (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [17:14] thumbs: i'd be willing to go up there once again, back in 2004 in London, I went to the canadian embassy on july 1st with a couple of my mates from white rock bc and get this... your embassy gave me endless moosehead and tonnes of cake... i was in heaven, nearly vomited all over on the tube later, but doesn't discount the good time [17:15] i'll always have a soft spot for canada [17:15] vastina: heh [17:15] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:15] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:15] your tax dollars at work [17:15] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [17:15] how can i change a program's icon it uses? [17:16] not mine, i'm a british american dual national, so no tax out of my pockets [17:16] Nick change: dhabyx -> jaguargt [17:16] for instance i've tried replacing the .xpm icon that thunderbird uses but still when it starts its the old icon. any ideas? [17:16] ezrafree, edit the desktop file in /usr/share/applications/ [17:17] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.2) left irc: [17:17] jota-_ (n=jota@190.6.1.152) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:18] Old_Fogie: hmm thanks, i've done so already it appears (using gnome's "Main Menu" under Preferences) [17:18] i've already tried logging out and back in but still don't see the change take effect [17:18] ezrafree, update-desktop-database [17:18] as root [17:18] Old_Fogie: ahh ok thanks [17:18] could be, the theme your using too [17:18] can over-ride it [17:19] use a stock theme, such as 'gnome' and then see [17:19] Action: vastina thought ezra and babylon as whole was pretty cool, nothin wrong with hanging gardens and orgies [17:19] Bl0tt0 (n=Bl0tt0@wireless-203-61.uchicago.edu) left ##slackware ("Ch'ab'ej chik"). [17:22] i_is_cat_ (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:22] vastina: you'd love my hanging tomato plants out back then [17:24] ezrafree: but you're ezra free... [17:24] last name Free, yes [17:24] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:24] just taking the piss man, brb [17:25] i know it :) bbl as well [17:25] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:25] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:25] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [17:26] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-20.hnet.ru) left irc: "êîãäà ÿ óìåð íåáûëî íèêîãî, êòî áû ýòî îïðîâåðã" [17:29] Ilie (i=1000@93.112.81.65) joined ##slackware. [17:29] gimp: error while loading shared libraries: libbabl-0.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [17:29] any ideas where I can find the library ? [17:29] did you install a package from -current on your 12.2 system? [17:29] yes thrice` [17:29] duryodhan (n=dev@122.167.223.88) joined ##slackware. [17:29] bad Ilie [17:30] -current is an all-or-nothing thing [17:30] yes, I've been a bad boy :) [17:30] :)) [17:30] ok thrice` , thanks for the advice [17:30] spank spank [17:30] Action: vastina enjoys following -current [17:30] Action: Ilie that's naughty ... omg, that sounds so gay [17:30] do it all the time, fun fun [17:30] jota-__ (n=jota@190.6.1.152) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:30] :) [17:30] wow.... [17:30] Ilie: http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/ [17:31] thanks The-spiki [17:31] grab that gimp package (and the babl and gegl it mentions as new deps) [17:31] thrice`, * [17:31] Action: vastina goes away from this queer-scene [17:31] lol vastina [17:31] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [17:31] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:31] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [17:32] gimp: error while loading shared libraries: libbabl-0.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [17:32] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Leaving" [17:32] weird [17:32] nice site thrice` , I bookmarked it [17:32] it never ends, someone thinks they can throw stuff together from differing release cycles (and sometimes different distros) trying to make some sort of frankenstein monster distro, "Its ALIVE!" [17:33] lol [17:33] Ilie: not mine, but it's a slackware developer's site :) [17:33] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:33] I'm interested in learning how to make packages , I want to package virtualbox , I can't find it [17:33] sbo [17:34] weird enough, there's a large tutorial in alien's site about qemu [17:34] i experament on occasion, but i have a working copy of my slackware install so un-doing a fscked system is never an issue for me [17:34] Pig_Pen: it's all linux d00d, what the fuck is a dep? [17:35] dep? a Johnny Dep! [17:35] Ilie: slackbuilds.org is an *excellent* source of scripts [17:35] haha [17:35] wait, doesn't that chode's name have two p's? [17:36] well, if an app built for a different release (or different distro) expect to find a certain library version and it is not there it wont run or run with severe bugs [17:36] cool, it works, I removed the old (the one I got from some weird site If I recall well) gegl and Installed the one from the site you gave me, It works like a charm [17:36] thanks guys [17:37] Ilie: you did not say "Its ALIVE!" you're supposed to say that! [17:37] lol Pig_Pen :)) [17:37] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:37] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:37] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:37] crappy assholes the lot of you! [17:37] Tonight, *I* am God! [17:37] that reminds me of some stupid intel advert [17:37] .. errh... i mean... [17:37] HI GUYS :-) [17:37] lol slackytude [17:37] macavity, hi [17:37] macavity: get bent cheese [17:38] damn.. those keys are like right next to eachother :P [17:38] macavity: howdy [17:38] lol [17:38] slackytude: hmm does that mean we can nail you to a cross? [17:38] Action: vastina wonders why he gets flamed for cursing... [17:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xos2MnVxe-c [17:38] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:39] Pig_Pen: nice touch, weed [17:39] :) [17:39] thats a classic [17:39] agreed [17:39] still makes you a weed [17:40] am a little teapot [17:40] i'm sure you are [17:40] BP{k}, nah! no drinking me blood either [17:40] short and stout, when you bent over the cum drops out... [17:40] slackytude: you make a lousy god! [17:41] lol, your nasty [17:41] you got a laugh of it [17:41] :) [17:41] BP{k}, I got only on-the-job training [17:41] vastina: you've gone far enough now [17:41] slackytude: :) [17:41] BP{k}, anyway, I have a red dwarf question [17:41] oh god... here someone goes again about how bad i am in this channel... *waits for slackboy's boot* [17:42] slackytude: fire away. [17:42] BP{k}, wasnt there supposed to be a special of them without any makup or props? [17:42] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-14-135-46.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:42] If you want the boot I can comply. You have to understand there are rules for this channel. [17:42] I count only 5 shows so far, thought there were going to be 6 [17:43] Action: vastina feels like the sped of the room who arrived upon the short bus... [17:43] sorry alienBOB, i'll work on my tactr [17:43] vastina - People of all ages visit here looking for help. I don't mind the occasional fun but some things are better said in other channels [17:43] s/tactr/tact [17:43] I think you drive the short bus solely [17:44] again, let me convey my apology, i'll be more tact in the future and help those that need it and keep the quips to myself [17:45] thrice`: i probably do... [17:45] :> [17:45] Action: vastina feels weird now... [17:45] slackytude: hmm no idea actually. [17:45] BP{k}, kay [17:46] hi .. I can't get the flashplayer plugin to work in my system .. its the darnest thing ... it works for opera but not for firefox [17:46] slackbuild from slackbuilds.org [17:47] slackytude: http://tinyurl.com/c5wh29 <-- perhaps that is what you were referring to? [17:47] about:plugins doesn't show libflashplayer.so [17:47] although it is present in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ [17:47] BP{k}, yeah [17:48] Action: duryodhan hates tinyurls [17:49] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-20.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:49] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [17:50] BP{k}, looks like it was just rumors,tho. [17:50] BP{k}, thx ^-^ [17:50] agris (n=agris@195.13.163.133) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:50] vastina: dont let it bring you down, its over [17:50] Action: vastina breaks down [17:50] duryodhan: wqhat does this show you: ls -alh /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.8/plugins/libflashplayer.so [17:51] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:52] Zozma_ (n=Winter@98-125-72-126.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:53] keep on the sunny side [17:53] but it's snowing outside [17:54] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [17:54] its a metaphor [17:54] evening macavity (but late I know) [17:54] Action: vastina needs to stop jumping on verbal opportunity [17:54] oh what's that? you want to compare weather? http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=93003 [17:54] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.133.82.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] Pig_Pen: i'm clearly being completely sarcy... [17:54] i bet i win [17:54] nullboy: i win [17:55] in Colorado.... bow [17:55] having the worst weather is not called winning [17:55] lol [17:55] isnt colorado getting hit with a blizzard right now? [17:55] apparently. [17:55] vastina: look at my wunderground link [17:55] or the antarctica would win all the time [17:55] no, it's called weather [17:55] just a small storm, nothing to see here [17:56] Action: vastina adjusts his barbrady badge [17:57] nullboy: where are you? [17:57] we got thrunderstorms moving through the area this morning up until around 2PM, now it is getting warm & humid (typical weather for tornado alley) [17:57] vastina: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=93003 [17:57] i'm on the coast [17:57] oh nice! you're in ventura [17:58] yep [17:58] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [17:58] used to live in San Clemente, and Mission Viejo [17:58] they say it's gonna be sunny here at the weekend but I don't believe a word of it [17:58] ah nice, good surf there [17:58] yeah, where i learnt [17:59] went back to england and maybe got a couple ripples in newquay [17:59] the place that amazes me the most out of my travels and surf though has to be a coin toss (for different reasons) between panama and maui, HI [17:59] the currents in maui are in incredible [17:59] Zozma (n=Winter@98.125.131.111) joined ##slackware. [17:59] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.133.82.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: [18:00] agris (n=agris@195.13.163.133) joined ##slackware. [18:00] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/wipeout-surfers-knoll.jpg [18:00] dive: forgot where you were [18:00] oops http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/wipeout-surfers-knoll-marked.jpg [18:00] i ate shit on that wave hard. it hit the bottom [18:00] i* [18:00] yeah looks like a nice little glassbomb [18:01] what do you surf? i surf a twin fin stick shaped by patterson [18:01] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [18:01] one sec i have pics of my board [18:01] i love my board [18:03] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [18:03] vastina, the great british united kindom isles of freedom (and rain) [18:04] dive: oh yeah... nvm [18:04] nvm? [18:04] but i don't ;) [18:04] can't say i miss the beauty of my home island's overt rains [18:05] "What's the weather tomorrow man?" "Overcast" suprise suprise [18:05] uva (i=bno@118-160-163-66.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:05] lol [18:05] vastina, I'm hoping for rain [18:05] oh, just overcast?even less exciting [18:05] this is my rad quad fin http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/board/ [18:06] from JS [18:06] well, rain in an overcast sky [18:06] then maybe I'll get some stuff done [18:06] quad-fin??? do you need training fins that badly? [18:06] Nick change: jaguargt -> dhabyx [18:06] training fins? [18:06] umm [18:06] this board is the fastest board i have ever owned [18:07] you ride a quad fin slightly differently than a tri fin [18:07] i like it... training because of how much control you have on your turns [18:07] i've done up to a tri-fin, can't say i've done the quad [18:07] your first bottom turn on this board sends you down the line at mach 3 it's freaking awesome [18:07] tri-fin feels too locked in to me [18:08] next time i'm out in california i'll ahve to look you up to try it... how tall are you? [18:08] i'm 5'8" and that board is a 6'2" [18:09] nullboy: i'm 6'3", might have some trouble on that particular board [18:09] yeah totally it won't work [18:09] as it is i float nipples deep on it [18:10] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:10] it's a sweet board though... the amoutn of fins seems a bit much but the cut in you described has me intrigued [18:10] yarvin (n=yarvin@137.229.131.34) joined ##slackware. [18:10] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [18:10] surfer trash? :P [18:10] macavity: speak when you've lived it a while [18:10] :) [18:11] not even snowboarding has the effect of surfing on me [18:11] on my tri-fin i would usually do a double pumped initial turn but on this board i just hold back a couple seconds longer and do a single hard push. it snaps you down that line [18:11] vastina: do you know how cold and ferocious the wathers around Denmark are? :P [18:11] macavity: probably quite undesirable... get closer to the equator [18:11] haha [18:12] :P [18:12] just get on of the heated suits [18:12] one* [18:12] nullboy: nice [18:12] yeah a dry suit [18:12] they are battery powered and last up to two hours [18:12] no normal wetsuit [18:12] oh ok [18:12] i went wind surfing once [18:12] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:13] the battery packs sit right on the small of your back and there is a heat control switch to let you adjust the temp [18:13] no comparison, although i love windsurfing [18:13] the testers said it made Ireland surfing feel like SoCal [18:13] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:13] the waves here are not tall enough for real surfing.. and the under draught puts a stop to mostly anything.. but the winds are plentifull and steady [18:14] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:14] Action: NyteOwl prefers something a bit more substantial for an aquatic vehicle [18:15] i've been in heaving standing room barrels. there only one thing that i have done that is more intense than surfing huge barrels and that is skydiving [18:16] never made sense to me - jumping out of a perfectly good airplane :) [18:17] this is one of my favorite pics http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/00032.jpg [18:17] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:17] nullboy: who is the ghey who gets it in the behind? [18:17] Action: macavity ducks [18:18] any US taxpayer [18:18] heh [18:18] seriously guys, go jump at least once. you'll look at everything differently [18:18] Old_Fogie: touché [18:18] Action: Old_Fogie says ++ Old_Fogie [18:18] Old_Fogie, checked noobfarm lately? [18:18] mmm, nope I go check it now [18:18] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:19] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:19] slackytude, hahahah , nice. [18:19] makerc (n=makerc@200-158-29-143.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:19] ^-^ [18:19] scubacuda (n=rog@65.42.208.134) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:19] nullboy, 'jump' ? ( /me came in late) [18:20] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [18:20] scubacuda (n=rog@65.42.208.134) joined ##slackware. [18:20] skydive [18:20] oh I did that was fun [18:20] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [18:20] ive never even been in a real plane [18:20] wat [18:20] but we did it the man way, no goggles, stopwatches, and fancy spandex :) [18:21] Old_Fogie, no parachutes? [18:21] macavity, how about a fake plain ? [18:21] slackytude, yup both ways [18:21] Old_Fogie: was it at least tandem? [18:21] only those gliders that gets pulled off the feild by some mechanical gizmo i dont know what is called in english [18:21] Zozma (n=Winter@98.125.131.111) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:21] Old_Fogie, eh? [18:21] that was fun though [18:21] nooper, 'tandem' I dunno what that is, was a long time ago, maybe we called it something else? [18:22] Old_Fogie: like the one in the pic. 1 guy wears the guy other who wears the parachute [18:22] Zozma (n=Winter@72-160-222-152.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [18:22] Old_Fogie: tandem == instructor + turist strapped to one chute :P [18:22] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/00032.jpg [18:22] nope, I did the real deal [18:22] took clases and all for it [18:23] macavity: they're called gliders :P or sometiems sailplanes [18:23] that is quite manly [18:23] manly if noone see's you pee'd your pants on the first few times :) [18:23] not that I did ofcourse [18:23] :) [18:24] :D [18:24] first couple times tho, yeah I was scared tho, it's natural, but something draws ya back for another go. [18:24] fun, the thrill, or a nagging wife or combo thereof :) [18:24] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:25] Ilie (i=1000@93.112.81.65) left irc: "Leaving" [18:26] NyteOwl: that part i know.. but what is the wheel-with-steel-wire-bolted-on-really-big-engine called? [18:26] NyteOwl: sometimes Land Rovers and the like has a miniature version on the front [18:27] macavity: I've ehard of those but only ever actually seen/used one towed aloft by a powered 0plane., catapault perhaps? [18:27] a reel? [18:27] macavity: oh, winch [18:27] mr_cakes (n=quassel@c-24-7-194-9.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:27] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) joined ##slackware. [18:27] ah, yes, here it is customary that the glider is pulled up by a 1000+ HP winch [18:28] and some 500-800 meters of wire [18:28] you pull 3.5G just before the glider releases the hook [18:28] would work if it generated enough speed - as it obviously does :) [18:29] that's a bit much. I'd prefer the gentler approach iof being towed [18:29] its bloody awesome :P [18:29] the glider is actually usually airborn before the powered plane as they have better lift characteristics [18:29] you only travel like 10 meters touching the ground before it climbs really steep [18:29] steap? steep? [18:29] styeep [18:30] -y [18:30] :P [18:30] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:31] those gliders scare me more than jumping out airplanes. I can remember many times, you launch a kite, and it goes up, then straight down for *no* reason. and whenever I see them gliders, I think of that. [18:31] Kerio2004 (n=Port@77.31.48.244) left irc: [18:32] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [18:32] big difference between a glider an a kite. now if you compared a kite and a hang-glider I'd agree with you :) [18:33] I thought that's what he was talking about, cuz he mentioned the wire, but yup they're scary in that regard. [18:33] no - the non-powered airplane typ is what we were talking about [18:33] ah I see [18:33] duryodhan (n=dev@122.167.223.88) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:34] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:35] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431493.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:35] looks like ai missed a lot with that call [18:37] damn it, everyon is gone again [18:38] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:38] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:38] Where have all the slackers gone? Long time passing [18:38] haha someone just radio'd me sounded like Ned from South Park [18:39] "were you stationed in de-nang" [18:39] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-75-43-76-187.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:39] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:40] Heya,folks..How's everyone? [18:40] good, how are you MLanden? [18:40] fine thanks vastina [18:40] nice [18:41] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:41] wb Urchlay [18:42] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.48.195) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:45] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [18:46] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.175.40) joined ##slackware. [18:46] erizoe (n=kambee@ip72-209-59-92.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:47] LOOK OUT ITS MLaden! [18:48] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:48] ?!? [18:48] who me?...:D [18:49] Action: vastina watches out for MLanden [18:49] lol [18:52] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [18:52] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:53] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:54] Hey MLanden. How's it going? [18:54] Goin' good for the early evening,firebird619 and for yourself? [18:55] I'm doing great. Thank you. [18:55] yarvin (n=yarvin@137.229.131.34) left irc: "Leaving." [18:55] Good to hear [18:56] mr_cakes (n=quassel@c-24-7-194-9.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:56] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:56] yarvin (n=yarvin@137.229.131.34) joined ##slackware. [19:00] Thursap (n=bnguyen@58.187.183.161) left irc: "leaving" [19:01] i need a new screen for my laptop now [19:01] lol wtf [19:01] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-75-43-76-187.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [19:01] lcd burn out,nullboy? [19:01] getting there [19:01] the edges are slightly yellowed now [19:01] how old is the laptop? [19:01] OUCH [19:01] it's a D620 [19:02] it's not too old at all but it's my primary system [19:02] well used [19:02] that's pretty new [19:02] this thing is on and being used pretty much 20 hours out of any given day [19:02] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-209.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [19:02] grazymax (n=grazymax@host228-96-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:03] ugh... [19:03] nullboy, you laptop abuser! [19:03] Zozma (n=Winter@72-160-222-152.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:04] Jean (n=jean@93-36-225-153.ip62.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [19:04] i have a tower but it's headless and being my lan server [19:04] other than that i don't need a stationary box [19:04] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-155-20.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [19:04] same here [19:05] bleh... [19:05] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: Client Quit [19:05] bleh is another big ass piece of plastic sitting in a corner [19:05] what is it called in english when a youngster goes to church to confirm their faith? it is usually associated with a big party.. [19:05] confirmation [19:05] confirmation [19:05] ah ok [19:05] same in danish then [19:05] same [19:05] in german [19:06] maybe they should wait til the kid is a little older to confirm it tho lol [19:06] i am writing a song for the youngest bonus kid's confirmation :P [19:06] except is Konfirmation [19:06] Necos: no shit huh [19:06] i didnt know i was this bad at rhyming :P [19:06] congratulations, you learned something today macavity ^_~ [19:06] Necos: brain washing needs to start early [19:07] its it customary for you guys to get drunk too on confirmation [19:07] eh, guess its a local thin [19:08] lol [19:08] slackytude: unlikely sinc confirmands are usually ebtween 12 and 15 years old [19:08] Necos: so far i have 4 verses.. and the rhymes are so unlikely that people are going to choke laughing :P [19:08] lol [19:08] NyteOwl, 16, here [19:08] or was it 15? [19:08] later anyway [19:08] or were you too drunk to remember? ^_~ [19:08] lol [19:08] macavity: condomnation ? ... jk :) [19:08] slackytude: well 12 is the youngest they usualy accept. msot are around 15-16 [19:09] probably ^-^ [19:09] lns40: since he is not christian it is actually a non-firmation ;-) [19:09] lol [19:09] was fun back then, tho [19:09] macavity: hehe :) [19:09] Jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) joined ##slackware. [19:09] Actualy the Orthodox avoid the issue entirely by using crismation where an infant is both baptised and made a memebr of the church at the same time heh [19:09] scubacuda (n=rog@65.42.208.134) left irc: No route to host [19:10] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:10] heh, what happens when the kid grows up & finds out about it, and objects to it? [19:10] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-75-43-76-187.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] keoni (i=1000@208-106-15-140.dyn.c-h-a-d.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:10] then they leave the church [19:10] macavity: I did it for teh money! *g* [19:10] i was baptized in the baptist and catholic churches as a child... good thing i left both :) [19:10] chopp: so from that link to the list that you posted the other day; i understand it as they are having known issues with beaconing. that coincides with the symptoms i had been having when i would patch 2.6.29.1 or 2.6.30rc* [19:10] Urchlay: they just elave the church. All confirmation is is a reaffirmation within the Church of the vows spoken at baptism by the childs parents [19:11] Necos: you can't be baptised twice :P [19:11] so long as the church doesn't know where he libes and keep harrassing him... "When are you coming back to church? We really missed you on Sunday..." [19:11] like hell you can't... i was... [19:11] unless the first wasn't in the name of the Trinity :) [19:11] NyteOwl: sure you can! you just need a tub of holy water :D [19:11] i was baptised by paris hilton and nicole ritchie [19:11] you can..baptism is a symbol of you changing your life [19:11] my dad is catholic, mom's baptist... i was baptized twice... i gave up both religions when i got thrown out of church for asking too many questions :) [19:11] you wish [19:11] luck guy!! [19:11] lns40: it's not valid though (in most denominations) [19:11] lol [19:12] not valid? [19:12] do protestants even use holy water? (thought that was a catholic/orthodox-only thing?) [19:12] NyteOwl: heh ok :] [19:12] you can be baptized multiple times. i remember people getting baptized again after they came out of drug rehab [19:12] i didnt use holy water [19:12] i remember a few of those [19:12] lol [19:12] so you dont pass GO and dont get to collect $2000 [19:12] any ole water will do for me [19:12] i drink holy water all the time....:D [19:12] and you breath fire? [19:12] thats fire water [19:12] Action: vastina watches out for MLanden! [19:12] lol [19:12] holy water, a twist of lime, and vodka... [19:12] wine,whisky etc.. etc....LOL [19:12] lmao [19:12] heathen [19:12] Urchlay: that is no gnarly [19:12] so* [19:12] Urchlay, yes, they do [19:13] holy water and vodka. omfg [19:13] Action: slackytude is protestant [19:13] why not? some priests are known to drink a lot... [19:13] or raised protestant rather [19:13] lolol [19:13] with a twist of lime...:D [19:13] Action: Necos doesn't care ^_^ [19:13] let the lightning bolts fly [19:13] holy water.. [19:13] slackytude: Most mainstream Christian denominatiosn use a baptismal formula "In the name of the Father, SOn and Holy Spirit". Anyone, including a layman can baptise using that formula. If that formula isn;t used the baptism in those churches isn[t considered valid. If that frmula is used you can change denomiantions without needing to be rebaptised [19:13] drink holy water with a shot of whiskey [19:13] Action: vastina drinks up some holy water with cane juice... nothin more natural than jungle juice foo! [19:13] I had an idea for a story, but I dunno if I'll ever write it [19:13] NyteOwl, good to know. sure you got the right guy, tho? [19:14] Contrary to fundamentalist beilief theere is no prohibition in the Bible about drinking - just a cautionary note to beware :) [19:14] alienBOB: and you get on my arse.... [19:14] it says don't drink to drunkenness [19:14] NyteOwl: that's scary lol [19:14] every time a priest blesses some water, all the H2O molecules are imbued with holiness... the reason vampires used to exist in the dark ages, but don't any more, is that a significant portion of the H2O on the planet has been blessed at some time or another over the past 2000+ years [19:14] that's about all [19:14] nullboy: a definite and noticeable difference [19:14] alienBOB: ...i respect you don't get me wrong [19:14] Then wathc it [19:15] it is just plain common sense (religion aside) to not drink excessively, catch a buzz, dont get snot slobbering drunk [19:15] alienBOB: you're serious...? [19:15] Action: Necos missed the part where vastina was addressing alienBOB [19:15] so far that's all I got. No plot or characters, just an idea for a background :( [19:15] me too what is going on here [19:15] i'm tripping out [19:15] nullboy, you drank too much [19:16] i haven't any...today...yet [19:16] vastina: settle down. alienBOB isn't someone to mess with, seriously (And once you get to know him, you won't want to anyway) [19:16] Necos: i respect mr bob, but i always get in trouble for some stupid quip or remark, apparenlty i have a most disagreeable vocab [19:16] ill drink enough rum for all [19:16] straterra: it's friday [19:16] rum day [19:16] straterra: I recommend Appleton EStates [19:16] i'm not messing with alienBOB i was just makign a note of something [19:16] that reminds me [19:16] i like my captain morgan [19:16] vastina: you know, the last few times he's called you out, you were saying some shit that you really had no business saying [19:17] nullboy: rum day is any day with a Y in the name? [19:17] isnt it soon talk like a pirate day [19:17] Urchlay: haha yes [19:17] oooh, talk-like-a-pirate day! [19:17] i thought that day passed [19:17] yar [19:17] straterra: the Cpt is most popualr here too. I liek Appleton as it's a ncie rum for a whisky drinker [19:17] really? [19:17] Necos: and the current subject everyone has business saying, i'm offended [19:17] To the gallows with you pirates! [19:18] I'm so offended, I'm going to have to down an entire fifth of whisky to ease my wounded ego :) [19:18] i've been warned before, so it's not like he's playing favorites [19:18] not really but, it all seems non slacka nd i get carried away [19:18] of course i know that, i just wanted to bring this to his attention, he acknowledged me, and has my full respect, right alienBOB? [19:18] there was an incident with some airport security, i think it was LAX but not sure, where a man wanted to carry on a sealed 5th of vodka. you can [19:18] more to come... [19:19] why wouldnt you be able to? [19:19] you can... [19:19] you can't carry on that much liquid so you go mad and opened it and started drinking it [19:19] i think the problem is opening it [19:19] you can't carry a 5th [19:19] you can CHECK it, not carry on [19:19] a fifth isnt that much [19:19] oh right the post-9/11 stuff [19:19] nullboy: hm, as in, where he can get to it while the plane's in flight? the airlines won't let you for the same reason bars won't let you bring your own bottle :( [19:19] about bombs and shit [19:19] Necos: the issue is, i get carried away then take opportunities and then the whole room gets quiet, bob has to do something about it, he puts me back in line, and it's actually where i should be. [19:19] troys (n=troys@68.165.100.2) joined ##slackware. [19:20] Necos: I doubt that has anything to do with bombs, just plain old gouging [19:20] anyway, this dude pounded a 5th of vodka out of spite right there in the security line. they had to call an ambulance [19:20] lol [19:20] wtf nullboy? [19:20] lol....dammit [19:20] otherwise, i'm just a bored hacker idling a channel [19:20] nullboy: he gets 100 points for style, but loses 100 points for needing an ambulance [19:20] lol [19:20] agreed [19:20] he has no liver [19:21] extra pounds for puking on airport security,thp [19:21] points even [19:21] scuse my iggorance - 5th of vodka? 5th of a pint, litre? [19:21] 5th of a gal [19:21] moh2a (n=mohaa@ANantes-157-1-105-151.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:21] 5th of a gallon. You don't remember ye olde english measurements? [19:21] yeah but we don't have 5ths [19:21] lol [19:21] hahah [19:22] dive: ~750ml [19:22] O_o [19:22] (actually they're 750ml, which isn't exactly 1/5 of a gallon anyway, think of it as 3/4 of a litre) [19:22] anyway, see you all later, to the english chaps; sleep well. Off into the blizzard i go [19:22] gallon, pint, 1/2 pint [19:22] you guys got messed up units [19:22] then it's like fluid onces [19:22] vastina: adios, and don't freeze... [19:22] later vastina [19:22] slackytude: we got our messed up units from you guys (assuming you're a European) [19:23] lol [19:23] haha yeah try being a dual like me... actually it's very easy being a british american, we both use the imperical system for most things and use miles per hour [19:23] eh, not from us [19:23] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:23] we're just stuck using them still [19:23] wrong part of europe [19:23] you drive on the wrong side of the road tho vastina >.> [19:23] metric ftw.....grams and grams...:D [19:23] Necos: yeah, apparently in both places [19:23] lol [19:23] lmao [19:23] exactly >.> [19:24] vastina: I notice on modern british TV, they still order pints and say things like "a couple miles down the road" [19:24] nope - comes from riding horses - you ride on the left andf hold sword in right hand [19:24] Urchlay: sounds like what my family in louisiana says (re: miles down the road) [19:24] we order by pints here [19:24] dive: yes sir [19:24] maybe it was safer in europe [19:24] nullboy: some american pints are pathetic [19:24] dive: I wouldn't: I'm left-handed... guess I'd need a left-footed horse? [19:24] vastina: around here a pint is 16oz [19:24] a bottle is 12oz [19:25] left-handed sword hilt [19:25] thought hilts were ambidextrous [19:25] Jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) left irc: "Leaving" [19:25] I thought horses were too [19:25] if the barmaid likes you she'll give you beer in a water glass that is 20oz [19:25] no the difference truly is americans have "idiot space" on their roads... i feel like you're a complete jackarse if you wreck here, at least in europe we've an excuse, the carriageway was too thin sir, please install a dual carriageway here [19:25] ta [19:25] slackytude: rides horses backwards >.> [19:25] well I mostly am, too. Just can't write right-handed [19:25] idiot space? you mean a shoulder? [19:25] ... [19:26] Necos, eh ^-^ [19:26] no, the width of the road/carriageway [19:26] lane* [19:26] slackytude: you apparently ride horses backwards >.> [19:26] lol [19:26] I rode on a horse, once in my life [19:26] shoulders are great, use them all the time in my Z to pass up anal drivers [19:26] think it was the right way :P [19:26] shoulders are great except when they're dirt, and you're in a rain storm [19:26] did a tail hit you in the face? [19:27] nope [19:27] lies [19:27] lol [19:27] ok everyone said their goodbyes i'm overdue... later on... [19:27] you rode it backwards ya dumbass ^_~ [19:27] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.98) left irc: "freezing" [19:27] laters [19:27] got my old buick stuck in the mud because one tire went about a foot off the road, took 3 hours to get out :( [19:27] actually, I was rather scared of horses as a kid [19:27] horses are dum and annoying [19:28] Urchlay: depends on the hilt style. BAsket, semi-basket and simialr hilts are available lert and right. SOme are ambidextrous as well [19:28] (well, 3 hours to find volunteer with a trailer hitch. 2 minutes to actually pull it out...) [19:28] they either want to go where they like, or smack in the face with their nose [19:28] if you really want a driver education get a job driving an 18 wheeler, it will enlighten you to a whole new perspective about driving [19:28] NyteOwl: probly the only swords I've ever handled are those fake katanas they sell at the flea market [19:28] Pig_Pen, no thanks [19:29] blackdragon (n=blackdra@174.32.95.15) joined ##slackware. [19:29] also my great-great-grandpappy's Civil War sword, but I don't remember what the hilt was like [19:29] i dont blame you dive, i did it for a few years, most annoying job ever!!! [19:29] had great fun when i was a kid driving with my dad - steep hill, large lorry, buzzer, what's that? oh nothing just the brake warning [19:30] Urchlay: katanas areambi - as are most cavalry sabre hilts [19:30] guess this would have been a cavalry sabre, yeah. The fake katanas are equally bad in either hand :) [19:30] thought soem cavalry sabres that are fighting rather then show weapons can have right or elft handed baskets [19:30] air pressure getting low, not really dangerous, but when that buzzer goes off you want to keep an eye on the air pressure guage because if it gets too low the breaks lock up the wheels [19:31] hm, likely my g-g-grandpa wasn't an officer, wouldn't have had a weapon just for looks [19:31] erizoe (n=kambee@ip72-209-59-92.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:31] yep [19:31] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. [19:32] was scarey though for a ten year old or whatevfer i was [19:32] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A77509.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:32] Urchlay: no, but generally dress swords were worn on the left hip - even if the wearer was left handed as they weren't intended to eb drawn. [19:32] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-209.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:32] well, that's kinda lame :( [19:33] a jake brake is great for going down hills, it cuts off the fuel to the engine and forces it in to air compressor mode thus slowing down the truck [19:33] erizoe (n=kambee@ip72-209-59-92.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:33] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:33] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl12-104-192.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [19:33] Necos, probably like most wars - it's the plebs at the front get sent out first - the guys on horses ran around for show [19:34] nah, in the 1860s, cavalry still did actual fighting [19:34] which is why i hate the US military =p [19:34] wasn't until the turn of the century or so (early 1900s) that mechanized warfare made cavalry obsolete [19:35] s/obsolete/hamburger meat/ [19:35] that too [19:35] Nine Inch Nails live in Paris \o/ [19:35] the jeep and troop transport truck (deuce & a half) made the horse obsolete [19:35] Camarade_Tux: my uncle lives in Silkeborg \o/ [19:36] :P [19:36] big guns and shrapnel helped too [19:36] hello pig_pen ..glad to meet you [19:36] the rapid-fire repeating rifle and the machine gun had something to do with it [19:36] hi slack_fish [19:36] macavity, hey :D [19:36] :) [19:36] (they did have gatling guns in the 1800s, but they weren't really what you'd call portable) [19:36] I need to buy tickets quickly ;) (the problem is I don't know if I'll be able to attend it =/ ) [19:37] AC/DC in Moncton ;) [19:37] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:38] a friend of mine got a ticket to AC/DC from the mother of an *ex*-girlfriend, I really feel like killing him ;) [19:38] but I managed to see Rage Against The Machine, if I could see NIN too... =) [19:38] lol [19:38] i girls mom liked hi [19:38] RATM *rocks* [19:38] that's awesome [19:39] where is it that I saw a picture of an ATM where someone spray-painted RAGE above the logo that said "ATM"? [19:40] nice one [19:40] yah [19:40] I would have liked o have seen soad [19:41] K slackware question, Just updated my current install and I noticed the Logo has changed on kernel while booting ? WHY? [19:42] mohaa (n=mohaa@ANantes-157-1-171-185.w90-59.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:42] because they can? [19:42] give us amazing!! [19:42] blackdragon , version? [19:42] blackdragon, I heard tux is on holiday [19:42] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:42] blackdragon: the logo changed upstream (Linus changed it in the kernel) [19:43] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:43] slackytude3 (n=slacky@p57A74277.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:43] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:43] Kernel 2.6.29.1-smp [19:43] will he be back? ((0.o)) [19:43] blackdragon, the tazmanian devil is about to disappear [19:43] tux will be back in .30 afaik [19:43] ah man I like tuz [19:44] use grub .you don't see it :P [19:44] it should be random [19:44] blackdragon , use Lilo, very good. [19:44] see Metallica's touring with them,Camarade_Tux [19:44] vdx787 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:44] the mountain gorilla is endangered too, that is one primate i dont want to see disapear from the earth [19:44] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left ##slackware. [19:45] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host253-77-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:45] I use lilo, but after lilo screen dissappears and all the startup magic is happening the top left Tux logo is different [19:45] Was just curious [19:45] they shpould use a pic of "Bob" [19:46] blackdragon , what version? [19:46] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A774CA.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:46] this is a sign under one of the serving tanks at a local microbrewery http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/WIDDMB.jpg [19:46] edit in .conf [19:46] Kernel 2.6.29 Slackware-Current [19:47] argh, I can't stand that, I need those tickets ! [19:47] blackdragon: read the kernel docs [19:47] he changed them [19:47] it's not even Tux anymore :) [19:47] No biggie was just used to seein tux there and then POOF Gone haha [19:48] it's Tuz [19:48] . [19:48] it ought to be "Bob" [19:48] gonna mail the twat and demand it [19:48] who's with me? [19:48] dive: IIRC it's easy to use whatever you want [19:48] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A7769B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:48] easy? [19:48] http://lwn.net/Articles/323966/ [19:49] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:49] I guess theres a bmp in kerne;l tree then? [19:49] blackdragon: do you mean it has changed to Tuz or that you don't have it at all? [19:49] yeah. At least, I know a pretty dumb guy who managed to make his tux logo into the green text from "the matrix" (not animated though) [19:49] tuz will be short lived [19:49] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-155-20.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:49] argh, I really don't know if I'll be able to attend that live but I need those tickets ! [19:50] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-141-121.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [19:50] Yeah changed to tuz I see now... I understand... Haha My bad when did this happen? [19:50] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A77509.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:51] oh lord you didn't just ask that did you? [19:51] he will cos the next time i do a kernel compile i'm gonna put a pic of bob in there [19:51] 42.30 to 46.30 euros... =/ [19:51] look in the link i pasted http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=8032b526d1a3bd91ad633dd3a3b5fdbc47ad54f1 [19:52] Camarade_Tux: NIN and Metallica, or some other band? [19:53] is current broke ? [19:53] got this error [19:53] pkgtools-12.34567890-noarch-2.tgz: md5sum [19:53] failed to check md5sum for this package, at slackpkg [19:53] DeeeeP: so...yesterday when i mentioned this you were one of the people asking like i was crazy.... [19:53] no i did not [19:53] DeeeeP, download and upgradepkg manually [19:53] nullboy, u r confusing me with someone else [19:53] ok [19:53] ok dive [19:54] dive, can u explain why ? [19:54] psychicist, most probably NIN and Jane's Addiction [19:54] Had same problem about 10 minutes ago DeeeP and manual install worked fine [19:54] it's a bug in slackpkg [19:54] yes, it's slackpkg. the package is safe don't worry [19:56] DeeeeP: you're right. sorry about that [19:56] 009-04-15.201513-0700PDT.txt:(2009-04-15 21:43:26) nullboy: hey in -current...anyone see an md5 issue with pkgtools-12.34567890-noarch-2.tgz ? [19:56] i mentioned it on the 15th [19:56] and it wasn't you either ;) [19:56] ok :) [19:58] rworkman: hey look, i wasn't going crazy [19:58] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A7475F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] Camarade_Tux: they'll play in Amsterdam the day after and it's July so it will probably fall during summer holidays too ;) [19:59] psychicist, but I'll maybe be somewhere else in France (don't know where) [19:59] but I guess I can manage everything for a NIN live ;p [19:59] dive, why bug no slackpkg [20:00] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:00] blackdragon (n=blackdra@174.32.95.15) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:00] why not treated as another package [20:00] DeeeeP, that's what I was told it was.. [20:00] yeah I know [20:00] Camarade_Tux: I just saw it's already sold out in Amsterdam :( [20:00] blackdragon (n=blackdra@174.32.95.15) joined ##slackware. [20:00] maybe asc is wrong = better theory [20:01] I can imagine macavity being there at Roskilde, though ;) [20:01] psychicist, when has the date been announced ? [20:01] slackytude3 (n=slacky@p57A74277.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:01] dive, asc doesnt have md5sum of package [20:02] Camarade_Tux: http://tour.nin.com, 7th of July in Paris [20:02] Nick change: blackdragon -> LuminiTe [20:02] psychicist, I mean, when has it been announced that NIN would be in Amsterdam ? I'm wondering if there'll still be tickets left on tomorrow =/ [20:03] Camarade_Tux: I don't know, I just saw they were added and already sold out during presale [20:05] vdx787 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [20:05] who can tell me .where qt3's styles save to?eg.windows' background color.. [20:05] psychicist, they will have another batch and you can get tickets then [20:06] strange ... CHECKSUMS.md5 matches the md5 package , just checked it [20:07] Camarade_Tux: I see, I wouldn't want to miss this. it's been a long time since I attended a concert [20:07] my last one has been RATM, I hope I can have the epic concerts ;p (except ac/dc =/ ) [20:08] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:09] my last ones were Smashing Pumpkins and Nightwish many years ago, I feel I've missed a lot over the years ;) [20:10] DeeeeP, probably a bug in slackpkg then [20:12] i wonder what that is [20:12] one of the funniest thing with this RATM concert has been to tell other people I was there, they're all "whoa you saw ratm last summer, you managed to get tickets ? how was it ?" ;p [20:13] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A7769B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:14] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] dive, wanna help me try to understand ? [20:15] I don't know much myself - this is what I was told [20:15] i've found something [20:15] cat CHECKSUMS.md5 |grep -i pkgtool [20:15] and I'm going to get some shut eye soon [20:15] pktools [20:16] there's the same exact package on source dir [20:16] well yeah same [20:16] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:16] but others source dir dont have tgz , just tar.gz or bz2 [20:16] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:16] it must be after midnight in GB [20:16] so might be some kind of grep that returns to many results ? [20:17] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:17] Pig_Pen, 1:17 [20:18] thats way past my sleepytime, i am usually in bed by 10PM [20:19] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:20] DeeeeP, would need to look at slackpkg code to see if it's doing that, but it's a good theory [20:20] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:20] one way to find out [20:21] dive, maybe tgz package shouldnt have been there in the first place [20:21] and missconfused slackpkg greps to filter md5 [20:21] that's my theory [20:21] if u can find something more , let me know [20:22] DeeeeP, yeah if you delete that source line it works [20:22] someone messed up :) [20:22] probably got taken by surprise when the source cam as a tgz [20:23] that tgz is not slackware package ? [20:23] i'm worried about the future of k3b and current [20:23] it's source [20:23] its slackware package [20:24] nullboy, why? [20:24] is it? [20:24] just installed it [20:24] again [20:24] ah well [20:24] dunno [20:24] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [20:24] DeeeeP, you mean the second tgz? [20:24] yes [20:24] in /source [20:24] its there on http://darkstar.ist.utl.pt/slackware/slackware-current/source/a/pkgtools/ [20:24] strange [20:25] well pkgtools is a collection of scripts [20:26] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:26] so there is no source afaik [20:26] hm. So there really is no way to have a package run a script when it's removed with removepkg? [20:26] eh? [20:26] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:26] post-doinstall.sh? [20:26] or whatever [20:26] eh? does that exist? [20:27] nope [20:27] dive: i can't get the svn of k3b to build any more and it's bailing out with a complaint about policykit [20:27] we don't use policykit [20:27] god no not pam [20:27] or pk [20:27] brucelee (n=fffz@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:27] policykit will likely be inevitable soon [20:27] how well does slackware work with netbooks? [20:27] as well as you make it [20:27] hmmm that does not bode well unless the powers tha be can sort it [20:28] Which netbook,brucelee? [20:28] i was just thinking of getting a netbook [20:28] not sure which one is good yet [20:28] nullboy, no ./configure option to not use it? --without-policykit or whatever? [20:28] my thinking is a laptop that does all the stuff i usually do at home [20:28] litsen to music, browsing the web [20:28] for instance, vim and elvis both create a symlink at /usr/bin/vi (if it doesn't already exist; normally elvis gets installed first so /usr/bin/vi -> elvis) [20:28] talking on aim, irc, etc... [20:28] but doing it all with mainly the keyboard [20:29] why the HELL would a cd burning app need pk? [20:29] dive: looking now, k3b uses cmake [20:29] dive: for k3bsetup user perms [20:29] ah yeah [20:29] but if I removepkg elvis, I now have a dangling symlink (or maybe a completely missing one, if it's smart enough to remove the link) [20:29] schroobo (n=jackson@38.104.60.14) joined ##slackware. [20:29] erizoe (n=kambee@ip72-209-59-92.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:30] it'd be nice if there could be a script that checks for these, and warns the user [20:30] Urchlay, you could maybe make a script that when asked to uninstall a pkg and also pointed at the pkg would do a reverse doinstall.sh, but that would be a pain to use [20:30] anyone have a problem when not using their system the screen will black out and wont respong to keyboard or mouse, but if i press the power button shortly it causes the screen to comeback and proceed with shutdown? [20:30] kfm487 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:30] Urchlay, or perhaps look in /var/log/packages/ for symlinks [20:31] dive: nah, I'm wanting to make packages that work with plain installpkg/removepkg (vim/elvis was just an example, these are something else) [20:31] are symlinks listed in /var/log/packages/? [20:31] hmm [20:32] actually they're emulator BIOS ROMs. One's the "illegal" copyrighted one (that nobody's ever got in trouble for using), and the other is an open source rewrite [20:32] well if yoy did have a doremove.sh in a package and you did a command like 'removepkg xyz /some/path/xyz...tgz' [20:32] want the user to be able to install/remove them at will, so they install to different locations, and symlink to the same place [20:33] slackytude3 (n=slacky@p57A761CC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] (user can change the symlink while both are installed, to change the default) [20:33] sounds like a job and a half [20:33] whichever package gets installed first, that's where the link points. But if user installs both, then removes the first one, now the link exists but points to no such file [20:33] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:34] dunno - but fsck sleep - more coffee [20:34] :P [20:34] and headache tabs [20:34] dive: well...i dunno man http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-12.2/system/policykit/0.9/src/ [20:35] i'll give it a shot just to see [20:35] i've pamified slackware already...policykit can't be too bad [20:35] you'll probably need to mess with hal / dbus for adding PK [20:35] thrice`: that build looks like it takes it into account [20:35] i'm going to test it [20:36] and consolekit, probably [20:36] erizoe (n=kambee@72.209.59.92) joined ##slackware. [20:36] it doesn't have console kit listed as required [20:36] all i need this for is k3b [20:36] oh, I thought you were trying to integrate it [20:36] nullboy, I really don't know here, is why I'm asking, but why build K3b 4.x version, when I thought k3b 3.x is supposed to be able to run on kde 4? [20:37] because i don't want old software? [20:37] Old_Fogie: gtk1 apps run on gnome2 also, but do you want them? :) [20:37] there are thousands of commits since k3b for kde3 [20:37] literally thousands [20:37] thrice`, I do I love xmms! long live xmms! :) [20:37] even built it for debian here, even tho they dropped it :) [20:38] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A7475F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:38] yuck [20:38] I don't see what's old of k3b 3.5.x , but building newer one is cool , was just wondering. [20:39] qt3 apps in kde4 stick out and look nasty :( [20:39] thrice`, it uses the least resources of any cd or ogg player yet I've found, plus has less bugs than any other foss app from this report I read, that was done a year ago, I may still have the link [20:39] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.254.242.73) joined ##slackware. [20:39] ooh, no, I meant yuck to building .deb's (or debian in general ;) [20:39] but I just like it, what can I say. I dont use the stock skin tho. [20:39] there have been thousands of changes already, a lot were for the kde4 transition but there are also other changes that are bug fixes. [20:40] thrice`, ah it's almost the same as on slackware to be honest :) [20:40] erm [20:40] dpkg -b your-destir-from-build/ your-deb-name.deb [20:40] s/destdir [20:40] -curent is using a slightly older svn rev and i'm trying to use the latest svn. [20:40] minus package management, init system, packaging, kernel policty, package policy, out-of-date-ness [20:40] thrice`, you can build debs without dependency resolution [20:41] .deb is the worst packaging I've found [20:41] I dunno, it feels very Slackish, really. Instead of /tmp/package/install/slack-desc you have /tmp/source-name/DEBIAN/control [20:42] jesus as if just setting perms in k3b was that unsafe [20:42] then in lieu of makepkg.... you have dpkg -b [20:42] it's almost same. as we all know depends resolutes isn't package management. :) [20:43] i just hate the splitting out includes and stuff. that's just dumb [20:43] frullet_ (n=Bob@124-168-168-79.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [20:43] thrice`, oh yea for sure I can see that. [20:44] thrice`, unless if you spend *alot* of time figuring out the shlibs/objdump (which I did) then it makes a ton of sense,and is automated. but it's not necessary. In fact, there's times I just use checkinstall for something simple. [20:44] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [20:44] thrice`, but like my xmms, I didn't split that all up, it's just on deb. it's not in lenny so I dont have to worry about conflicts, etc etc [20:44] nullboy, let me know how you get on with it please [20:45] <-- big coaster make [20:45] r [20:45] few minutes [20:48] O_o [20:48] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:48] wtf [20:48] Nick change: slackytude3 -> slackytude [20:48] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:49] thrice`, you'll get a kick out of this, here is a madwifi.DebBuild I wrote based on alien bob's madwifi :) [20:49] http://pastebin.com/d2c318bea [20:50] slackytude, split personal there mate - I'd watch that if I were you ;p [20:50] bruc3 (n=bruc3@189.56.20.108) left irc: "BitchX: it's not for the tabkey impaired!" [20:50] Feel better,slacktude?...:D [20:50] slackytude: re: a non-login shell... other distros have /bin/false and other targets [20:50] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [20:50] dive, I watch meself [20:51] and meself watches me [20:51] Old_Fogie: why even bother O.o [20:51] mmlj4, eh, /bin/false is in slack as well [20:51] yeah but what about slackytude3? [20:51] thrice`, have a bunch of friends family that have atheros and debian lenny [20:51] thrice`, so kernel upgrades bork the driver [20:51] dive, dunno, he is new [20:51] Old_Fogie: it'd be quicker to convert them to a sane distro ;) [20:51] thrice`, but I've got a template so goes fast [20:51] yes, it's there: apache:x:80:80:User for Apache:/srv/httpd:/bin/false [20:51] dive, must be the schizo of my schizo [20:51] but not listed in /etc/shells [20:52] thrice`, haha :) [20:52] thrice`, Slackware and debian only here, I stick with the oldies :) [20:52] M-tty (n=M-tty@32.170.235.17) joined ##slackware. [20:52] therefore it's not a "valid" shell [20:52] M-tty (n=M-tty@32.170.235.17) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:52] mmlj4, anyway, you asked for denying users ssh access and that is possible [20:52] thrice`, still pretty interesting that it can be used in a buildscript fashion tho, no ? [20:52] yeah, I'll look into that [20:52] mmlj4, you could just add it there but I dont see the difference [20:52] thrice`, it's just not common that debianista's do that [20:52] Old_Fogie: well, considering it's really complex, sure :) [20:53] but it can be done. [20:53] MAINTAINTER=${MAINTAINTER:-old fogie} lol good one [20:53] dive, :) [20:53] eh [20:53] thats just wrong [20:53] Mums (n=Mums@32.168.70.128) joined ##slackware. [20:53] Mums (n=Mums@32.168.70.128) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:54] thrice`, I've yet to figure out rpm, then again, I've yet to stomach (or get one in or combo thereof) to master rpm. [20:54] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) left irc: "‚»" [20:54] I haven't built an RPM since RH9, I don't think [20:54] Mtty (n=Mtty@32.168.227.249) joined ##slackware. [20:55] ebuilds, are just madness to me. to many 'aliases' setup in the build system. that's what I struggled with in dropline's buildssystem. all the aliases. [20:55] anyhow, I' [20:55] kfm487 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:55] I've grown fond of arch's :) [20:55] they make an aliases for something, that is a bunch of commands, scripts, etc etc in one word "packagize" for example. [20:55] I'm quite happy... put up my first slack server... an asterisk box with a digium card... SBO's asterisk and zaptel worked flawlessly [20:55] frullet (n=Bob@124-170-184-165.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [20:56] thrice`, yea their buildscripts are coherent, that's one thing arch has done right. [20:56] mmlj4, nice ^-^ [20:56] mmlj4, congrats :) [20:56] you realize what this means, of course... NO MORE DEBIAN [20:57] mmlj4, hahah cool :) [20:57] great now i can't find Polkit-qt [20:57] i have policykit itself done [20:57] Action: Old_Fogie looks at nullboy and says 'let the games begin!' [20:57] no more backwards policies written by 14-year-old fanbois [20:57] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:57] i can't even find Polkit-qt at all [20:57] no more iceape [20:58] mmlj4, you new to slack then? [20:58] no more ssh holes due to stupidity [20:58] mmlj4, I for the most part, started with Slackware, so yes I can only imagine the feeling of freedom there. [20:58] I had it on a laptop about 5 years back [20:58] mmlj4, you know slackbuilds, [20:58] mmlj4, you know slackbuilds.org and sbopkg.org ? [20:59] ran arch on my desktop for 2 years, until nvidia and kde 4.x got the best of me [20:59] http://api.kde.org/kdesupport-api/kdesupport-apidocs/polkit-qt/html [20:59] mmlj4, arch broke? [20:59] i know of it [20:59] well, the next version of slack wil have kde4 too mmlj4 [20:59] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:59] and gnome too [20:59] thrice`: I've got 5 years of supported bliss, the way I see it [20:59] Action: Old_Fogie chuckles:) [20:59] bah no dl links [21:00] dive: ... [21:00] thank you that [21:00] anyone have a problem when not using their system the screen will black out and wont respong to keyboard or mouse, but if i press the power button shortly it causes the screen to comeback and proceed with shutdown? [21:00] i've already been there, that was the first place i went [21:01] Old_Fogie: nvidia broke, due to x.,org, and kde4 made me punt back to kde3... plus I was tired of bleeding-edge on a production desktop [21:01] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [21:01] schroobo, is it possibly a desktop enviro issue? if not maybe turn dpms off in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. [21:01] mmlj4, that makes sense. [21:02] anyhow... food & [21:04] Philadelphia (i=bno@118-160-163-66.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] well I found some source but not gzipped [21:05] http://websvn.kde.org/tags/polkit-qt [21:06] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-9-133.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:06] dang it man i just found that right now too [21:07] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [21:07] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:08] looks like it's in a bundle with kdesupport [21:08] probablt need grab the whole think [21:08] g [21:08] good lord [21:08] forget it [21:09] Mtty (n=Mtty@32.168.227.249) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:10] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [21:10] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:11] i'll let the professionals set this crap up [21:11] I can't even find a gz with kdesupport except in svn [21:12] well i'll just svn it and make my own [21:12] but i'm not going to [21:12] Is there a good cli app for getting text out of .doc's with some style intact? Maybe into html or something. [21:12] nullboy, dude :D ftp://download.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/apps/KDE4.x/admin/ [21:12] i'll end up doing it wrong and catching my system and myself on fire [21:12] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.98) joined ##slackware. [21:12] tab and my up down keys are not finnishing my commands or showing prev commands [21:13] nullboy: when you do youtube it. [21:14] wb,vastina [21:15] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:15] shhh he's back [21:15] MLanden: ta [21:15] LuminiTe (n=blackdra@174.32.95.15) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:15] dive: omg this is going to be messy [21:15] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:15] cheers..:D [21:16] there are deps galore [21:16] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:17] mmm some puerh tea with crystallised ginger, raw agave nectar, with white [21:17] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [21:18] can you put a little more crap into your tea? [21:19] nullboy: nah mate, i've a thick composure to hold :) [21:19] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:20] this is perfect, just the right flavour [21:20] nullboy, what have you got installed already? [21:20] dive: policykit [21:20] the base libs [21:20] screw this [21:20] I see polkit, plokit-dbus, polkit-grant [21:21] so maybe just 2 more [21:21] it needs to be properly integrated into the kde build env [21:21] that's out of the scope of my skills right now [21:21] uva (i=bno@118-160-163-66.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:21] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [21:22] nullboy, this would mean ( I presume ) policy kit to be coming to Slackware, or K3b dropped, I take it? [21:22] Old_Fogie: that's how i see it [21:22] k3b has a huge following, who knows he might just add it for that cd burner app. [21:22] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-141-121.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Connection timed out [21:22] either we get policy kit or k3b goes..the thing is, it appears to me that a lot of kde will be using policykit eventually [21:23] well i know i need k3b, finding a replacement to do everything that k3b does is not going to be fun [21:23] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:23] yea there sharing alot of libs/apps that used to be gnome/ish [21:23] same here [21:23] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A761CC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:23] makes sense, to not duplicate so much work out there already I say [21:23] why reinvent the wheel [21:23] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:23] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:23] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.174.179) joined ##slackware. [21:24] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:24] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:24] as you know too, i don't have anything against PAM let alone policykit [21:24] nullboy, ironically, you can build all the gnome cd burner apps without policykit :) [21:24] Old_Fogie: k3bsetup is what the complaint is for [21:24] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:24] you just need gnome, heh [21:24] maybe we can nix k3bsetup [21:25] k3bsetup is only for perms right? a doinstall could do that stuff auto [21:25] k3bsetup is just retarded, there's no reason it should wright to root's home. i love k3b, it's the bestest, but their setup mentality is just freaking retarded. [21:25] dive, you dont even *need* to use it, chown the cdrdao, and cdrecord to root:cdrom and make users in cdrom group and be done with it. [21:25] bit of a hack I just said but it would work [21:25] right [21:26] Old_Fogie, yeah that's kinda what I was thinking [21:26] I dont know why on a *nix system, we need a gui app to run so it can alter perm's of other apps that their package manager is now unaware of md5sum changes, etc. it's just tarded. [21:27] well, we will soon know what path he takes [21:27] nullboy, I mean, on my gnome boxes that are gnome 2.22.X right, there's no policy kit on them, I did the root:cdrom, and gnome-baker, brasero are just fine there. [21:27] i wonder if rworkman or alienBOB can ease our anxiety over this [21:27] ;) [21:27] Action: dive gets out his opinion pole [21:27] wack [21:28] nullboy, yea but alien bob lives that stuff, he'll have a nice write up on it on his wiki and confirm yet again, we're all noobs :) [21:28] will be interesting to see [21:28] lol [21:28] at Alien Pastures? [21:28] probably half the channel wouldnt even be here if he didn't help us :) [21:28] oh the new name, ahahah yea [21:29] lol [21:29] http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/ [21:29] hehe [21:30] nullboy, serioulsy tho, the guys that contrib are just to freakin' smart for their own britches, so I'd think if Mr. V wanted it in, it'll get there. I really doubt he'd drop K3b, I really do. I can live without it, but I can only imagine the amount of bitching that would go on if it were gone. [21:30] he'd get hate mail over it I'd bet [21:30] I saw a guy with a tattoo of it [21:30] yeah, and while i wouldn't send hate mail i would probably pout ;) [21:31] I saw a guy with an amarok tattoo also, lol [21:31] did he have xine tattooed on his back? [21:31] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.98) left irc: "leaving" [21:32] don't know it wasn't on the blog [21:32] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.98) joined ##slackware. [21:33] there was a site, I wish I bookmarked it, of FLOSS tattoos. one guy had RMS tattoo, that's a tad freaky to me, but hey whichever floats your boat [21:33] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:33] Old_Fogie: haha i'd be scared if i was rms... but i'm not rms nor would ever want to be [21:34] same here, my feet smell to be walking round bare foot infront of people [21:34] Old_Fogie: maybe he was an electrician. [21:34] audio visual perhaps [21:34] XGizzmo_, one "too many" shots of the 110 ? :) [21:34] i'm having really bad deja vu right now and it is including this channel buffer and my surroundings [21:34] actually, now I think of it, the amarok was one of the dev's got the tattoo [21:35] 3 phase [21:35] i'm freaking out maaaan [21:35] you're lucky - it's 240 over here [21:35] yht (n=yht@114.121.19.212) left irc: "I must go.." [21:35] had a few surprises from the backs of TV sets ;) [21:35] er 'surprises' [21:35] dive, capacitors will do that :) [21:36] dive, I had a shop teacher that used to toss them to people and laugh when they grabbed it. [21:36] nice [21:36] dive: that's the voltage, you're on single phase... [21:36] yeah [21:36] bbiab [21:36] which also calls for less amperage [21:37] so is yours 3 phase then for domestic? [21:37] no [21:37] commercial to run large engines [21:37] yeah same here [21:37] i know [21:37] :) [21:37] i was an electrician on both sides as well, what i did for money whilst in uni [21:38] I just want someone to tell me what damned remote will work for my new tuner :/ [21:39] no luck yet on hifi forums [21:39] one thing i hate about england, telly licences... sod that [21:39] Whoa. Why do you think k3b needs policykit? [21:39] nullboy: ^ [21:39] ah well it has it's good points - like little (I wouldn't say none) advertising [21:39] hahaha here comes rworkman [21:40] dive: that would be correct, only marginally less [21:40] vastina, really listen to bbc radio and it's unadulerated by verts every second [21:40] oh i know man [21:40] and I willingly pay for radio 3 and 4 [21:41] tv is crap anyway [21:41] fancy the endless loop at the end of the night on bbc3? [21:41] the occasional good prog on bbc4 [21:41] rworkman: i can't get the latest svn versions to build because k3bsetup seems ot require policykit now [21:41] vastina, sends me to sleep [21:41] pisses me right off [21:42] if i forget in the event of a drunken night [21:42] and polkit-qt [21:42] and -dbus and -grant [21:42] nullboy: hrm, that's bad. Should be a soft dep. [21:42] probably some red hat dev stuck their little mitts into the code, like they did for gdm nullboy [21:43] k3b itself has no need for PK -- please file a bug with them, and tell them that a better option is to just not build k3bsetup if PK isn't on the system. [21:43] ok [21:43] I think I'm rw (at) rlworkman.net on kde's bugzilla, so try to CC me on it. [21:43] i'll be able to do it in a few hours [21:43] they probably thought not having policy kit would confuse users so they added it [21:44] Thanks. [21:44] kde 4.3 will have all the admin stuff enabled via pk-auth [21:44] Old_Fogie: that's sound [21:44] I don't suppose there is a --without-k3bsetup option there? ;p [21:44] Yea, whenever a gnome dev is lazy they say "I've found that confuses users, so your idea is poo poo" [21:46] rworkman, pk-auth huh, interesting. [21:46] well... back to the icy roads in my z to pick up the lady, bbiab [21:46] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-133-59.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:46] Old_Fogie: that wasn't celar -- there's is no "pk-auth" - I just meant that it will use PK backend [21:47] rworkman, so Slack's getting policy-kit , woh :) [21:47] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [21:48] dive: i don't know enough about cmake to answer that [21:48] let's just hope the pk cleans it's act up a little [21:48] Re PolicyKit, it's an unmitigated disaster right now. The "stable" release can't duplicate our current functionality (group based permissions) effectively, and the development version is undergoing a rewrite, and it fails to build due to some still-lingering PAM requirements. [21:48] rworkman, think they'll ever gpg sign it :) [21:48] As for whether Slackware will get PK, I don't know. Things change. [21:48] yea sure agreed [21:49] If you'd asked me halfway through 10.2 if Slackware would ever get HAL, I would have laughed at you. [21:49] Mr. V is a big KDE fan, so yea it's gonna happen. [21:49] rworkman, well I for one am very greatful to you and piter for doing the work to get the udev/hal combo flawless all this time. [21:51] hmmm if (NOT WIN32) && option(K3B_BUILD_K3BSETUP "Build k3bsetup" ON) [21:51] interesting [21:51] pam actually wouldn't be so bad, if some smart people stepped in an documented it for non astro physicistys. [21:51] even i got pam integrated and fully functional [21:51] I mean the dev is a tad busy, I mean he writes the kernel :) so he's to busy to detail what's up and where [21:51] nullboy from noobfarm had pam working... [21:51] interesting find that nullboy [21:51] srsly. guys [21:51] nullboy, yea but it's still very very far from documented well (to me at least) [21:52] I had to cheat, but I admit that heh [21:52] consolekit today opens 100 processes just for fun. and doubt it does anything useful regardless. [21:52] but someone should really get them human readable instead of andrew just lobbing out tarballs [21:52] sahko, ubunut? [21:52] their implementation of it? [21:52] Old_Fogie: in all distros they use it [21:53] doesnt your do also? [21:53] well slackware no, nor my gnome with pam either, and my debian doesnt either, it's just the way ubunut does [21:53] even fed didn't last time I tried it [21:54] not sure why ubunut has a gazillion process for console kit to be honest [21:54] maybe that changed recently, havent ried it for a while. [21:54] it wasnt on Ubuntu [21:54] on Arch [21:54] yeah I dunno. [21:55] i got ubunut in a vm to help me figure out things on dev branches of gnome, and their console kit in top is a nightmare [21:55] as a person not running DE's but WM's starting X from .xinitrc, they are useless anyhow [21:55] s/as/for [21:55] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:55] there we go! i killed k3bsetup altogether. [21:55] it's building now [21:55] nullboy, rm'd the code for it? [21:55] option(K3B_BUILD_K3BSETUP "Build k3bsetup" ON) --> option(K3B_BUILD_K3BSETUP "Build k3bsetup" OFF) [21:56] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "schleep deep" [21:56] cool. now you don't have to run old softwarez :) [21:56] let's see if it builds though. WILL IT BUILD!?!?!??! [21:56] 30% [21:56] yea really, 3 version takes me a while [21:58] nullboy, which version k3b are you trying to compile? [21:58] svn r954558 [21:58] ah [21:58] couldn't find a gz for kde 4.x [21:58] i want blood [21:59] this doesn't look good http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/12769 [22:01] yeah that looks ugly [22:01] mishehu (i=mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:02] something included in k3bapplication.cpp perhaps? [22:02] could be [22:02] but i'm not leet enough to know [22:02] k3bhalconnection.h: No such file or directory [22:02] mishehu (i=mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) joined ##slackware. [22:03] that looks like the cause [22:03] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:04] well it is svn [22:04] hahaha [22:04] PK will be unavoidable, I think [22:06] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:07] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:07] find . -name k3bhalconnection.h [22:07] ./libk3bdevice/k3bhalconnection.h [22:07] so maybe need adjust a path there [22:07] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:09] I just checked gentoo's devel-KDE stuff, as they are trying to avoid policy-kit crap too, and see the latest entry of "added policykit-kde and polictykit-qt" :( [22:10] dive: that looks like something that they will get to [22:10] after all this is a still kicking pull [22:10] it's not even s snapshot [22:10] a* [22:11] what command did you use to stop it compiling k3bsetup? [22:11] i made a patch already [22:11] one sec [22:11] I'm getting a 'samplerate' not found error too [22:11] -DK3B_BUILD_K3BSETUP=OFF looks good [22:12] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/CMakeLists.txt.patch [22:12] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-75-43-76-187.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [22:12] bad, use the cmake flags :) [22:13] dive: you're not using the slackware build env for kde? [22:13] that's why you get samplerate errors [22:13] looks like samplerate is needed [22:13] i'm working inside the slackware kde env [22:13] ah [22:13] with my own svn pulls [22:13] oh right [22:13] thrice`: ^ that's why i made the patch [22:13] so i can just integrate it [22:13] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:15] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [22:16] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:43] who says kde is the only good looking desktop ! :) here's my icewm http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4069/snapshot3.png :) [22:43] ahmed-tux (n=rhapsody@adsl196-72-73-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma) left ##slackware. [22:44] That looks really nice Old_Fogie. [22:44] thank you :) [22:44] Your Welcome. :) [22:44] the menus I stole from debian, then tweaked them [22:45] since some of their paths are diff then what slack has. [22:45] icewm is really missing a menu gen app. but if you can get hold of a menu, and tweeak a few things , then it's not so bad. [22:45] and yet again, we come to the conclusion that beauty is the eye of the beholder [22:45] Action: ananke can't stand it [22:45] ananke, you no likeey? [22:46] too dark? [22:46] black and red [22:46] :) [22:46] not at all. yes. very hard to read [22:46] its even got menus. grose! [22:46] Old_Fogie: I've never tried icewm, I've used kde, xfce, and want to work more with fluxbox and get a nice config with that. [22:46] black and red are my favorite colors. [22:46] and the transparent terminal is even worse. 2003 called, they want their gadgets back [22:46] oh in my file managers, they're the usual white background. I cant deal with file managers any other than white, or a word processor. but the xchat is see thru. normally i have black text tho. [22:46] I think red is too agressive and not suitable for destop... [22:47] ananke, haha, yeah but this is an 866 mhz, so I'm still in the 90's here :) [22:47] sheesh... fluxbox was only one nice desktop to work with with 20 Mb of total RAM [22:47] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [22:47] Old_Fogie, ever happen to get your nomachine notes :) [22:47] I'm just so sick of "blue" on the desktop [22:47] just sick of it [22:48] so use green [22:48] :D [22:48] juice, yea and to be honest, what I gave is what works :) [22:48] I never got it from you [22:48] the last time the kids were sleeping [22:48] ananke, actually I just stopped using green a while back, I change once a month, I'm like a woman with a living room [22:48] juice, ah yes. hmm...guess what they still are :) [22:48] and from the orginal time I don't know what harddrive I have them on [22:49] i do wonder how long you can actually work with this desktop [22:49] so I was wanting to get them again [22:49] you get me too late, I been here all day :). hit me up tomorrow I send them to you [22:49] okay [22:49] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] ananke, this has been about two days so far. [22:50] Old_Fogie : my question pertains more to how long you use it each day [22:50] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [22:50] now what does drive me nuts is the small fonts, I gotta increase that tho on the menus [22:50] yeah, the fonts are unreadable [22:50] ananke, if you ask my wife that,she'll say forever [22:51] ananke, yea I have xbindkeys for my usual stuff, so I really havent had to navigate that much ... yet. come monday I will have too, so I'm gonna have to fix them. [22:51] this is interesting http://math-www.uni-paderborn.de/~axel/bliss/ [22:51] I had imageshack resize from 1280 to 1024... I wonder if that might have grbled some things on the fonts ananke [22:52] Old_Fogie : the point i was trying to make is that this red color, red on black, etc - that would be hard for most humans to use for a prolonged period of time. using it every day for normal work would be a nightmare [22:52] ah, I spend the course of the day at the desk, but I do get up and about , and use another pc next to me as well, with a diff theme, so perhaps you're right. [22:52] Does any fellow slackware kin have demonoid account and want to download a torrent for me please? [22:53] This is my desktop: http://imgur.com/NPEAV.png The panel is different though from that screenshot. [22:53] byteframe : warez is off topic on freenode [22:53] ananke, my bad. [22:53] firebird619, very nice. I like the quote up at top. Did you make that paper? I never seen that one before. [22:54] No I found it, sec I'll get the link. [22:54] it's not my taste, but it's well done. [22:54] firebird619, nah you dont have too. that'll freak the kids out, [22:54] Old_Fogie: That quote is fortune in a transparent xfce-terminal. [22:54] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-74-109-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [22:54] oh yea? wow [22:55] I thought that was either the wall, or maybe conky [22:55] firebird619, is that gkrellm? [22:55] Yeah, I am using eterm now, but xfce-terminal has better fonts. I haven't figured out eterm yet to get nice fonts. [22:56] i stick to the default suse green background for my desktop. plain, and unobtrusive [22:56] Old_Fogie: Yup, gkrellm. I messed with conky a bit, but for some reason, no matter what values I put in conkyrc, it wouldn't go to the far right of the screen like I wanted. [22:56] vatgas (n=val@123.145.64.111) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:56] I haven't messed with conky that much. But I didn't realize gkrellm could go so transparent [22:57] Old_Fogie: That's the invisible theme for gkrellm. [22:57] It is on gkrellm's Web site for download. [22:57] hmm, I never noticed it before, oh it's on their site, that'd make sense then [22:58] As with the terminal, how it looks really depends on the wallpaper behind it. With some wallpapers you can see it at all. [22:58] yea I gotcha [22:58] I have another nice wallpaper that I like to use, someone here made it and put a link to it iirc. [22:59] you know what i always found interesting? people who actually use computers to do work tend to customize them less. [23:00] Are you implying I don't do any work. :P [23:00] yes he is [23:00] I like customizing, getting things just how I want that looks nice. [23:00] yes, that's probably one of the implications of that statement [23:00] agreed, you have to feel comfy in the enviro. [23:00] exactly. [23:01] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.30.225) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [23:01] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:01] red is a calming color, or so one Architect I do business with claims. he has his entire office in red lights [23:01] i don't suppose either of you actually work in the IT field? [23:01] this is mine http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/desktop.png [23:01] thats why i dont use linux anymore. too much customising, no work done. ms windows are a pioneer in the no customising OS area [23:01] ananke, no and I'm quite glad for that :) [23:02] sahko, yea man mohave! [23:02] sahko : you don't have to customize linux to use it for work [23:02] theres always something that comes up even if dont want to [23:02] new kernel, new stuff brake, suspending doesnt work etc [23:02] nullboy : similar to what i have. just plain default DE setup [23:02] nullboy, what's the icon next to the thunderbird? [23:03] Vidalia [23:03] a Tor control tool [23:03] ah ok [23:03] sahko : i find that using a more mainstream distro tends to avoid a lot of those issues [23:04] yeah stock setups, are ok, but why be "plain jane" I say [23:04] i like to keep it as defaulted as possible because it helps me help others [23:04] kde's stock setup the grayish is ugly to me , but the skin community is doing some nice skins for sure [23:04] nullboy, yea that makes sense [23:05] Old_Fogie : i don't have to customize my desktop to feel like an individual [23:06] another reason why you'll see many IT professionals _not_ customize their desktop, especially people like helpdesk/sysadmins is very similar to what nullboy said: you get to work on a lot of different systems/machines [23:06] Old_Fogie: Here's the other wallpaper I like, http://imgur.com/NPHDZ.png [23:06] so you learn how to be comfortable with the defaults, and not rely on your personalized customizations [23:06] and trying to reinstall those time by time :D [23:06] oh being 'plain jane' doesn't mean necessarily that your not an individual, it means what it is, just plain, nothing glitz, glam, just stock issue one size fits all. [23:07] i like xp defaults..where my computer snd my documents are under the start menu [23:07] ananke, yea I can totally see that if I were in the field, that makes sense for sure. [23:07] firebird619, yea that's a nice one too. [23:08] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.98) joined ##slackware. [23:09] ananke, I like xfce alot tho, but their stock setup just wasnt working for me at all. that's still my main DE tho, but if I were locked into having to use their stock setup, I'd really feel out of place. [23:09] Old_Fogie: you wouldnt have a machine running xfree86 there nowadays would you? ive been wondering how much of a choice that is lately.. [23:09] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:09] sahko, I have a box running 11 [23:09] that's the oldest now. [23:10] with updated xfree86? there was a release in 2009 iirc [23:10] what annoys me about xfce is the split taskbar: you have one on top, and one on bottom. and it doesn't autohide [23:10] ananke: that's exactly my same underlying reason. If I get used to using it with certain aspects changed up, like shortcuts in convenient places or folder views modified, I end up having a difficult time walking someone through a step by step task over the phone from memory. [23:10] i doubt stock slack 11.0 has that [23:10] so the times when i do want to use xfce, such as on my netbook, i lose a lot of real estate because of it [23:10] ananke, yea I don't know where they got the idea for their stock setup. I rarely see anyone using it, of screens I've seen. [23:11] ananke, you know, xfce scales awesome on netbooks for what it's worth, I'm running that on my acer's. [23:11] you end up training your brain to use your shortcuts and those might not exist on client systems [23:11] sahko, yea it's xorg. I think 10.1 was last xfree release [23:11] Old_Fogie : i still can't figure out how to get rid off that bottom taskbar [23:11] I'm trying to rm a folder from my mp3 player, but I get Read-only file system. It's mounted as rw, what can I do to fix it? [23:11] ananke: I have rworkman's 4.6 packages, it just has a single taskbar at the bottom. [23:11] sudo rm -rf (foldername) maybe [23:12] nullboy : yep. that's why i don't have anything customized in my DE or shell [23:12] toastytoast: tried that. I still get the Read-only file system. [23:12] ok [23:12] toastytoast: thank you though. :) [23:12] ananke, when you alterante click (not primary) you say customize panel, then in the pop-up window, you click the drop down for the panel (there's two a panel 1 and a panel 2) ; then hit the - sign to delete it, it will prompt do you want to delete, say yes, and it's gone. if you click the drop down, you can select autohide it. [23:13] you might need to remount it and make sure you give it read wirte permisions [23:13] you might also be able to try sudo chmod 777 -R (folder name) [23:13] hersonls_ (n=hersonls@189.81.243.109) joined ##slackware. [23:13] Old_Fogie : thank you. ouch, talk about hard to find option [23:13] ananke, it's easy to do, not to find :) [23:13] but that will save me some real estate on this dell mini [23:14] if that doesn't work then jsut remount it and make sure you give it -rw [23:14] toastytoast: the chmod command gives Read-only file system as well. It doesn't change anything. [23:14] toastytoast: I tried remounting too, no luck. :( [23:14] ok then remount it and makesure you give the -rw options [23:14] hmmm [23:14] ananke, yea I found xfce of fluxbox, kde, gnome to scale the best. icewm is second, then gnome. kde3 scales horrible for the small res. the dev's hard code window sizes. for example, on my netbook, you cant edit preferences in amarok..you cant click ok/cancel etc. [23:14] i've never had an issue with mp3 players [23:14] toastytoast: /dev/sdc1 on /media/Sansa c240 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,uhelper=hal,flush,uid=1000,utf8,shortname=lower) [23:15] hersonls_ (n=hersonls@189.81.243.109) left irc: Client Quit [23:16] well i'm all out of ideas [23:16] Jean (n=jean@93-36-225-153.ip62.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:16] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@130.42.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [23:16] srry [23:16] toastytoast: Ok, Thanks. :) [23:16] Action: toastytoast is going to watch sliders now [23:16] firebird619, your user is in plugdev? [23:17] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:17] yes [23:17] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@130.42.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:17] odd [23:17] what mounted it? kde? [23:17] yeah [23:17] kde4? [23:17] kde 3.5.10 [23:17] hmm, odd [23:18] could some other app be accessing it? [23:18] I wouldn't think so, I don't have anything else open that would use it. [23:18] utf8,shortname=lower <--- how did that show up? my kde mounts it with iso-85991? utf8/shortname is a bitch. [23:19] do you have some udev rule written [23:19] slackware's stock kernel uses iso-8599...for vfat mounts, as does KDE iirc. [23:19] you on a custom kernel? [23:19] yes. 2.6.29-smp-rt. [23:20] CONFIG_FAT_DEFAULT_IOCHARSET="iso8859-1" <--- that's what the system is set to use for vfat. what's your kernel config say? [23:21] I'll check. [23:21] well, /etc/profile.d/ sets the lang, but stock kernel calls for that iso..you get my drift [23:22] yeah, I do. [23:22] Old_Fogie: CONFIG_FAT_DEFAULT_IOCHARSET="iso8859-1" [23:23] When I compiled the kernel, I used slackware's hugesmp config. [23:23] firebird619, my recommend, unmount it try again, then if fail, try xfce, if that is fail, try stock kernel. I can't think of why you'd have it. Well check dmesg, and /var/log/syslog first too. [23:23] hersonls (n=hersonls@189.81.26.88) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:24] dmesg, FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdc1) fat_free_clusters: deleting FAT entry beyond EOF. File system has been set read-only. [23:24] aha, [23:24] you may need to dos fsck it [23:25] I think that already happened Old_Fogie [23:25] Nick change: moh2a -> mohaa [23:25] if I'm not mistake (so be sure to check the man page) I belive it would be dosfsck -ar /dev/sdaXX, then when prompted use the "copy original to backup" option [23:25] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:25] Action: vastina <3's gbd [23:26] woh, it'll auto do that ? that's odd [23:26] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@130.42.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [23:27] Ok, I'll check the man page, thank you Old_Fogie. [23:27] Old_Fogie: s/s/u/ [23:27] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:27] XGizzmo_, sorry? [23:27] firebird619, yw [23:27] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:28] dosfsck gives: Invalid disk format in boot sector. [23:28] firebird619, well you do want to unmount it first. don't know if that's related [23:29] It is unmounted. [23:29] 804839f: 7e 02 jle 8048393 , i wonder can you use gdb to send foreign architecture assembly through qemu? [23:29] so it just exits after bad boot sector firebird619 ? [23:30] stillbor1 (n=stillbor@MDXXXIII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [23:30] Old_Fogie: Yes, it just exits after saying "Invalid disk format in boot sector." [23:30] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@130.42.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:30] well, it didn't do anything then. probably safer that way I suppose. as to what to do now, I don't know. I've never had that happen before. [23:30] the -v option doesn't give much more output, just the line: Checking we can access the last sector of the filesystem [23:31] Old_Fogie: I will try in xfce, it probably won't work, but it can't hurt. [23:31] anyone? ^ [23:31] Nick change: aceofspa1es -> aceofspades19 [23:31] firebird619, honestly I try the stock kernel if you got it on board "just in case" [23:32] Old_Fogie: Yes, I have it on board, Thanks. [23:33] part ##slackware "Trying stock kernel" :) [23:33] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [23:35] can any of you suggest an easy to setup wiki? [23:35] dokuwiki [23:35] thanks BP{k} [23:36] ah that's what alienwiki uses [23:36] sweet [23:36] nullboy, iirc alien bob has yet another wiki about setting up a wiki (again prooving we are all noobs :) [23:36] BP{k}: Oh hail thou great drunken one. [23:36] XGizzmo_: Good evening :) [23:36] Action: agentc0re awakes from slumber [23:36] Hello all. [23:37] Ficthe (n=grieve@72.131.0.46) joined ##slackware. [23:38] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@130.42.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [23:39] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:39] hi guys - I'm thinking to take on bash scripting - does there exist a classic, or reputably authoritative text or resource for that? sort of like what K&C is to C [23:40] the bash man page and the ABS [23:40] and just looking at other scripts really [23:40] I can't believe you just said that, man pages are atrocious for learning - maybe good for quick references, but just horrible as a primary learning material [23:41] Ficthe: if you want hardcopy: Learning the Bash shell by O'Reilly is a good read [23:41] wow. [23:41] then don't ask next time [23:42] I appreciate that you answered, I just disagreed with it - anyway, thanks, and I'll give that a shot, BP{k}. [23:42] and if you were able to read the next three words in my suggestion you'd see ABS too [23:42] ABS is the best. [23:42] BTW GNU utilities tend to have better info pages than man pages [23:42] i printed that sucker off and had it made into a book. [23:43] stillbor2 (n=stillbor@MMCDIV.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:43] ABS seems good, I'll start with that. (didn't know what 'ABS' was, had to google. ;\) thanks. [23:44] antilock brake system! [23:44] I stick to my drum's thank you :) [23:45] schroobo (n=jackson@38.104.60.14) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:46] sahko, IMHO info pages suck, always, i strongly prefer reading my manuals as one long searchable page...and i don't know how to do it with info pages [23:46] edman007: i agree. but regarding GNU utilites the content in info is usually better [23:47] i rarely read info pages too. [23:47] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.254.242.73) left irc: "leaving" [23:47] is there anyway that i can view info pages as one long page? [23:47] no idea really [23:47] man info :D /wise-guy [23:47] lol [23:47] lol...good idea [23:47] lirik0 (i=email@190.80.234.48) joined ##slackware. [23:47] if i was a dev for info i would not write a man page [23:48] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [23:48] edman007: doesnt emacs make reading info pages easier? [23:48] edman007, try, in Konq: info:command [23:48] but you'll find that to be a better interface, and use Konq's search features [23:48] yeah, but ever get a man page that says "no man page here, if your site admin has done you justice you got info for this page" then you "info said page" and it says "nope not here try google bitch" [23:48] sahko, no clue, i hate them, remember? [23:49] :) [23:49] edman007, I usuaully use yelp it does them too [23:49] Old_Fogie, lol...i have seen the "use info" man pages, but not the "no info page" [23:49] edman007, hee hee [23:50] yea it was a vicious cycle I had [23:50] Old_Fogie: I'm on stock slackware kernel now, the problem is still there. It also still mounted as utf8, shortname=lower. [23:50] sahko, Old_Fogie Ficthe ...so i suppose i should just use a different reader, was not aware i could... [23:50] gmartin (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:50] firebird619, ah ok. I really have no idea, and I certainly dont want to mess up the device . [23:50] you can also do "man:" in konq [23:50] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:51] edman007, yeah leave it to linux to have 'yet another man page reader', and leave it to linux to teach ya something new every day [23:51] or info:/ [23:51] Old_Fogie: I tried in xfce as well, same thing. Maybe something wrong with the player itself? [23:51] firebird619, I'm thinking that too. As dumb as this sounds, have windows around at all? [23:51] see for example man grub: http://linux.die.net/man/8/grub VS. info grub: http://info2html.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/info2html-demo/info2html?(grub.info.gz)Top [23:51] lirik0 (i=email@190.80.234.48) left irc: Client Quit [23:51] Action: edman007 considers writing a man page plugin to read info pages with man...as they should be [23:51] I think I'd probably try that and see what's up [23:51] the info page is an actual manual [23:52] hmm, that would be a really good idea...i wonder if its been done [23:52] Old_Fogie: I have an XP box, as well as a Windows 7 VM. [23:52] firebird619, there was a whole debate on the utf8/iso-855 for vfat, and the kernel guys went utf8 for default down the road, but I've read that it can cause data loss. that's why your mount line there caught my eye fwiw [23:52] firebird619, nah I wouldnt go to a vm, I'd use the real deal I think [23:52] firebird619, see what it gives ya. [23:53] Old_Fogie: starting the xp box now. :) Thanks for the help. [23:53] firebird619, thats too bad, is suicide not honorable enough? [23:53] sure,yw [23:54] Old_Fogie: My other mp3 player works fine on slackware, I just checked it. Another thing that leads me to belive it's the mp3 player itself. [23:54] edman007: :D [23:57] firebird619, could be. I just get nervous when it comes to things like disks not have 'boot sector correct' errors ya know [23:58] Old_Fogie: Doesn't look like it's working on XP either. :( It would have to be the one that supported rockbox, wouldn't it. :) [00:00] --- Sat Apr 18 2009