[00:00] i'd change my panel theme but it crashes irc [00:00] systray thing afaik xchat does it too [00:00] suid0_ (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:01] suid0_ (n=suid0@c951b29c.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [00:01] typos darn heatwave today [00:01] that green icon, what is it? [00:01] green light? [00:01] wow, that weather conky looks very, very nice [00:01] Go? [00:01] vomit? [00:01] the green icon is for his irc client [00:02] yes [00:02] suid0__ (n=suid0@189.96.150.34) joined ##slackware. [00:02] yeah, i figured. which irc client [00:02] nuttin on tv [00:02] Rat409: that wallpaper is cool too. [00:02] conspire,an xchat fork [00:02] I should try conspire and pekwm again [00:02] I'm on Quassel right now [00:03] yes,i like it.,actually i'm in openbox for nostalgia atm [00:03] Rat409: What did you use to call the weather info? [00:03] thats pekwm?! [00:03] sahko: nope, openbox [00:03] how can i get wget to grab flv that are out-of-band? [00:03] oh, pekwm is my fav non tiling wm. and didnt know it could look like that [00:04] conkyForecast.py,reg's for a free weather.com xoap/rss acct but other scripts abound can use google,yahoo,accuweather w/o regging [00:04] haha, the pekwm.org is down. [00:04] Rat409: cool. When I had conky set up with weather, etc. I can't remember which service I used, but I didn't have to make an account anywhere. [00:05] sahko: pek's my normal desktop [00:05] Their site is down otherwise I'd grab the source. [00:05] fire|bird: its free just a small pain form-filling for weather.com [00:05] suid0_ (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:06] thought the extended forecast was nice,imagine accuweather feed does same tho w/o regging [00:07] Rat409: Now just get a radar added and you're all set. :P [00:07] nah way too much overkill as it is [00:07] There, got conspire source [00:08] oh btw, due to the clashability found in md5 values, is anyone switching to another hasher yet? [00:08] think i may have used src2pkg i forget if sbo had it [00:09] Rat409: SBo has pekwm, not conspire [00:10] yuh [00:12] building conspire now. :) [00:12] fire|bird: wallpaper if you want it,probly from dA originally http://omploader.org/vMjV6aQ [00:12] this was easier,ompload it [00:12] Rat409: Thanks [00:13] sure [00:13] whats ompload? [00:13] and om*? [00:14] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:14] free image host [00:14] k [00:14] thers a firefox ext and several scripts floating around [00:15] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [00:15] nods [00:15] i like scripts personally,faster less breakage [00:15] omp is a gentoo developer /w omp [00:15] its his [00:15] yuh cool [00:16] ty [00:16] theres scripts for other sites also but ompload is very fast [00:17] conspire is built [00:18] what tool plays swf? [00:19] Quiznos: many [00:19] any instaled by slack? [00:19] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:20] probly mplayer,xine i don't do full -installs i do a cd1 and slkpkg it [00:20] flashplayer,libflashplayer,swfdecoder [00:21] phoenix^ (n=silvergo@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:21] ty [00:21] sure [00:22] Rat409, I'm on conspire now. :) [00:22] lol [00:22] This is nice, I'll try it out for a few days and see how I like it. [00:22] yes,i was bored and found it googling i like it [00:23] what's slkpkg? [00:23] slackpkg [00:23] slackpkg manager [00:23] Rat409, I like how it opens settings, etc in a tab instead of this new window, that new window, etc. [00:23] yes [00:24] in /extra iirc [00:24] spike's been doing rocky marathon; omg all rocky all the time; just as bad as their daytime programming [00:24] uh i know . rather watch ufc reruns [00:25] yea i'm not a fan of those either [00:25] i saw Bundy this morning, that was fun [00:25] but they're on net too [00:25] i think i need a net-tv fix soon [00:25] they're good but seen them too many times [00:25] the very old bundy epis are awesome [00:25] Rocky is good [00:25] i dont remember those at all [00:25] You can never get too much Rocky! [00:26] lol [00:26] RockyTV [00:26] on youtube [00:26] heh [00:26] spike [00:26] hulu is interesting [00:26] for Family Guy [00:27] i finally found _Odd Couple_ online last month too [00:27] oh i know; BBunny [00:27] that's what i need [00:27] loony toons [00:28] Peter & The Wolf [00:28] lol; omg i saw that film in 3rd grade [00:28] wow [00:28] wit hthe russian themed music? [00:29] made by a full orchestra? [00:29] yes [00:29] wow [00:29] damn that's a good old memory [00:29] Peter and the Wolf.avi [00:29] i saw loony in 3rd grade audience too [00:29] where's that avi? [00:29] site? [00:29] on my HDD :P [00:29] suid0__ (n=suid0@189.96.150.34) left irc: Client Quit [00:30] pls puleeleeleez lemme have a copy? :)~ [00:30] lol [00:30] josefig (n=josefig@200.77.71.13) joined ##slackware. [00:30] you can probably get it off of youtube [00:30] pt1 and pt 2 [00:30] ok googing [00:30] i just merged them [00:31] only torrs found [00:31] bingo; but split up [00:32] www.FrogsOnIce.com/video/peter-and-the-wolf [00:33] josefig (n=josefig@200.77.71.13) left irc: Client Quit [00:33] www.FrogsOnIce.com/video/peter-and-the-wolf/ ned the final / [00:33] for wget [00:33] Quiznos, [00:34] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILI3s7Wonvg&feature=PlayList&p=0884481F50592B3D&index=0&playnext=1 [00:34] yes? [00:34] Quiznos, http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/networking/googleit [00:34] ;-) [00:34] ty [00:34] in a sec [00:34] Disney's Peter & the Wolf > * [00:35] check this out for a copy paste: [00:35] [05:33] < dive> Quiznos, [00:35] [05:33] Pasting 1601 lines to ##slackware. Press Ctrl-K if you wish to do this or Ctrl-C to cancel. [00:35] wget wont grab the files [00:35] goto bed dive [00:35] I should [00:36] wget http://www.frogsonice.com/video/peter-and-the-wolf/JohnCurry-PeterAndTheWolf-1.avi [00:36] wth would you paste 1601 lines? :) [00:36] that should work [00:36] Action: superGear is on windows atm [00:36] Quiznos, I just selected a link in terminal... [00:36] so i dunno [00:36] phoenix^ (n=silvergo@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Leaving" [00:36] ah [00:36] I guess it took all the scrollback [00:37] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere." [00:37] heh [00:37] welp; elinks will have to do [00:37] wget can be a bitch to get right working [00:38] doesn't it download that file? [00:38] no i mean the avi's [00:38] or what are you doing? [00:38] the movie atm [00:38] i really want to see P and the wolf [00:38] and the sound track too [00:38] cmair (n=cmair@host56-111-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [00:39] seems to work here... [00:39] i remember sitting in the auditorium with the rest of the grade-class [00:39] wow [00:39] ok gime your url again? [00:39] wget http://www.frogsonice.com/video/peter-and-the-wolf/JohnCurry-PeterAndTheWolf-1.avi [00:39] ? [00:40] dive;s [00:40] http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/networking/googleit [00:40] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: "F'in work" [00:40] dive, what am i getting now? [00:40] porn [00:40] nice [00:40] heh [00:40] get in line [00:40] gay porn [00:40] ew [00:41] tux pr0n [00:41] gay tux porn [00:41] it's just a silly bash script. Run it like './googleit something to search for' [00:41] Hardcore gay tux porn [00:41] uses lynx and outputs results [00:41] dive, btw, mv * *.sh? [00:41] yea [00:41] I don't .sh :| [00:41] ok you're bookmarked [00:42] ok [00:42] bash [00:42] ash [00:42] sh [00:42] Q [00:42] that is a shell [00:42] I use sh and bash, but I do not name files *.sh [00:42] why not? [00:42] I use zsh for shell, bash/perl for scripts [00:43] I shall get free windows 7 on the 24th of September woor [00:43] superGear, I prefer not to have to go looking for a . key when I want to run a script [00:43] then you're typing too fast :) [00:43] doubt that [00:44] "ytpe twice, execute once" -- ancient pseudo-carpenter-geek's maxim. [00:44] heh [00:44] heh [00:44] i wonder how jesus would have said that, or noah for that matter [00:44] lol [00:44] maybe [00:45] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: [00:45] 'This cross is too big. If I've told you once I've told you a 1000 times: measure once...' [00:45] phoenix^ (n=silvergo@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:45] no, measurith once and once again, thence hammer once. [00:45] lol dive [00:45] tha'ts vfuni [00:45] yeah that was an undeliberate thypo [00:46] thypo; nice lol [00:46] aka a 'thought typo' [00:46] littlish greekish [00:46] lol [00:46] 2 avi down, 2 to go [00:47] lol; he built condos in the suburbs [00:47] lol [00:47] i forge the name of the town. but it was recently excavated [00:47] Rat409: I forgot how ugly pekwm is by default. :P [00:48] ya think he signed his work; "I AM was here"? [00:48] lol [00:48] phoenix^, pebkacwm? [00:48] dive: hahaha [00:48] I have to get a different theme, this is horrible [00:48] i can imagine that if someone so prim and proper from church were to find these funis they'd be so o-ffended [00:48] I really need to get a tabbed wm up and running [00:49] dive: flux is tabbed [00:49] huh? [00:49] dive: you've never used tabs in fluxbox? [00:49] nope [00:49] last avi [00:49] 75% [00:50] I was thinking about awesome since I've still got someones conf for it [00:50] dive: Ugh, don't try awesome, try ion3 instead, my personal opinion [00:50] yeah? ok [00:50] yay done [00:51] dive: in flux, you can tab things together, for example, open two terminals and drag one onto the other. (If I remember that right, I'd have to get into flux and do it. :P) [00:51] superGear (n=supergea@65.113.15.181) joined ##slackware. [00:51] phoenix^, yeah I've seen that [00:52] dive: but yeah, seriously, ion3 is much nicer than awesome imo. [00:52] can't recall the shortcuts [00:52] needs lua? [00:52] they both do [00:53] awesome 2.x.y in SBo doesnt [00:53] awesome 3.x.y does [00:53] I must have 2 then [00:53] dive: yes, lua [00:54] phoenix^: lol most wm defaults are [00:54] Rat409: yeah, I just downloaded a different theme and forgot where to put it for pekwm, in ~/.pekwm? or something? [00:54] in ~/.pekwm/themes [00:54] thanks [00:55] Rat409: what panel do you use with it? [00:56] ok those movies are live-action ice skating to score. [00:56] not the cartoon I recall seeing. [00:56] but thank you anyway [00:57] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [00:57] phoenix^: relevant info http://pastebin.ca/1532163 [00:57] Rat409: Any solution for when the theme won't change? [00:57] Quiznos: what that Peter and the Wolf? [00:58] Rat409: awesome, thanks [00:58] sure [00:58] superGear i recall watching a extended length cartoon in 3rd of Peter and the wolf with an orchestral score [00:58] 3rd grade [00:59] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [00:59] yeah the Disney toon [00:59] dont recall [00:59] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILI3s7Wonvg&feature=PlayList&p=0884481F50592B3D&index=0&playnext=1 [01:00] ^that ? [01:00] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:01] post that url again? [01:01] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILI3s7Wonvg&feature=PlayList&p=0884481F50592B3D&index=0&playnext=1 [01:01] ty [01:01] ^that ? [01:01] PurpleSmurf .... [01:01] Quiznos to PurpleSmurf [01:01] phoenix^: i use bmpanel but fbpanel,lxpanel,pypanel,tint2 etc all work [01:02] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:02] phoenix^: /nick fire|bird :P [01:02] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:02] Rat409: ok, cool. thanks [01:02] youtube kills Quiznos [01:02] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:02] youtube kills Quiznos [01:02] agentc0re: haha, WHY? WHY? [01:02] phoenix^: got 2 jumps in today. [01:02] agentc0re: sweet [01:02] phoenix^: because now you're only competing with yourself for #1 stats. [01:02] damn, Another Brick in the Wall on radio [01:03] love that beat [01:03] agentc0re: eh, good point [01:03] Nick change: phoenix^ -> fire|bird [01:03] ppl still listen to th radio? [01:03] the* [01:03] beep [01:03] agentc0re: There, happy? [01:03] HI nix_chix0r [01:03] y0 nix_chix0r, how's it going? [01:03] i do [01:03] hey nix_chix0r [01:04] i'm fantastic ;) [01:04] We missed u nix_chix0r [01:04] especially fire|bird [01:04] lol [01:05] i was gettin sexytim [01:05] make a movie? [01:05] twice [01:05] woo [01:05] nix_chix0r: Did you read the 50 sex tips article? :P [01:05] :O [01:06] nix_chix0r: read it twice, or tried them out twice? :P [01:06] yeah it was lame [01:06] she tried all 50 in 1 night [01:06] it was 50 ways to touch a penis [01:06] hahaha [01:07] i have my own ways [01:07] i dont need a mag [01:07] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:07] lol [01:07] man* [01:07] lol. [01:07] qdb that [01:07] James____ (n=benjsh@h140n1-m-sp-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com) left irc: [01:07] lol [01:08] i thought MLanden was dead [01:08] cmair (n=cmair@host56-111-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:08] meh [01:08] well not yet...:D [01:08] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [01:08] :( [01:09] oh it's Landon :| [01:09] fire|bird: Yes, i'm very happy now. [01:10] Rat409: That entry in menu doesn't even show the themes. :P [01:10] agentc0re: good [01:10] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:11] fire|bird (n=silvergo@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "Leaving" [01:12] firebird it should but i'll post full menu 1sec [01:12] he left [01:12] phoenix^ (n=silvergo@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [01:12] he got sick of waiting for you [01:12] bah he came back [01:12] What the heck, I started tint, right clicked conspire, and that closed it. :P [01:12] Nick change: phoenix^ -> fire|bird [01:13] phoenix^, ok, using ion3. Looks good but how do I get urxvt instead of xterm on F2? [01:13] dive: Umm, I'd have to check, it's a config file somewhere in ~/.ion3 [01:14] k [01:15] I copied a file over from /etc/X11/ion3/ but it doesn't seem to be doi ng a lot [01:15] and none of my irssi binds work so I guess I have a lot of bind sorting to do. [01:16] dive: ok, I'll look around and see what I can find, first I'm gonna get off of pekwm, this is getting annoying. :P [01:16] fire|bird: http://pastebin.ca/1532171 [01:17] hmm got urxvt but font is too big [01:17] Rat409: ok, thanks. I'm gonna get off pekwm for now and mess with the menu, etc. This is annoying to begin with. :P [01:17] or maybe it's my imagination [01:17] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:18] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [01:18] Rat409: ok, another question, about conspire, how do I set it to auto identify and join channels, I set that in preferences, but they didn't stick [01:19] network-list [01:19] edit tab [01:20] select freenode then edit [01:20] same as xchat [01:20] Rat409: ok, that's what I did, but the settings didn't save. [01:20] huh [01:21] anyway, brb [01:21] k [01:21] fire|bird (n=silvergo@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "Leaving" [01:22] take care,folks...talk with y'all later [01:22] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-157-105.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [01:22] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-63-83-200.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:22] fire|bird (n=silvergo@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [01:23] There, that's better. [01:25] conspiring to conspire, [01:25] i see what you did there. [01:27] lol [01:28] antiwire: I had been using pidgin lately for irc, but it randomly minimizes on me, it got annoying, not sure what is causing that. [01:28] hmm [01:28] I've haven't had that happen to me [01:28] Guest48229 (n=jubei@cpe-98-155-140-177.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:28] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.147) left irc: "Leaving" [01:28] I can't really relate it to anything either, updates or anything, just started happening out of the blue. [01:30] have you tried an uninstall/reinstall (btw, hey fire|bird) [01:30] no, haven't tried reinstalling [01:30] and hey shonudo :) [01:34] antiwire: any idea why "tf-tool --add-user chopp" just sits at "Initializing... done."? [01:35] fire|bird, I think there's an auto-iconify setting in pidgin somewhere [01:35] dive: Hmm, ok, I'll investigate that, thanks. [01:36] dive: Also, that script for the terminal with changelog date, etc. It's not getting the changelog apparent, it says not found. :P I think it's probably something I did though because I changed the url to osuosl. :P [01:37] fire|bird, yeah you need try a few out to find one that is fast, up-to-date and reliable [01:38] don't be actin a fool [01:38] yeah, usually osuosl is, but I'll check, mayb e I typed it wrong. :P [01:38] chopp: do you have the evdev module loaded? [01:38] nix_chix0r: you should talk. :P [01:38] Action: fire|bird runs [01:38] chopp: and uinput [01:39] Guest48229 (n=jubei@cpe-98-155-140-177.hawaii.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:40] antiwire: I had uinput loaded, but not evdev. Still doing the same thing though. [01:41] chopp: also, if you are running tf-tool as a user you will need to grant that user access to the USB bus. I do this by adding a new entry to the fstab which mounts usbfs with loose permissions. you can tune them later but it is easiest to get it all wokring with loose usbfs perms: none /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults,devgid=221,devmode=0777 0 0 [01:41] where devgid=XXX and XXX is the gid of a group you create for usb bus access [01:43] elderK (n=elderK@222-152-99-143.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [01:43] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:43] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:43] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:43] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:43] antiwire: alright good to know for later, but I'm using tf-tool as root. [01:44] chopp: I did have this problem initially but it was a bug and I submitted it. They fixed this [01:44] I'm looking at my notes right now [01:44] ok thanks [01:45] it is creating chopp.bir [01:45] does that file have a size? it's not empty right? [01:46] it is empty yes [01:46] damn [01:46] elderK (n=elderK@222-152-99-143.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Client Quit [01:47] took the words right outta my mouth :P [01:47] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:47] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:47] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:51] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [01:57] superGear (n=supergea@65.113.15.181) left irc: [01:58] Guest48229 (n=jubei@cpe-98-155-140-177.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:59] csh prompt question, is there a name for @ command? 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[02:37] sIRC (n=sIRC@122-148-175-5.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) left irc: [02:38] syn and ack are tcp constructs [02:39] mancha: yeah but you cant you send a syn bit using ping command? [02:40] ICMP and TCP are even on different layers [02:40] a TCP "ping" is not an ICMP ping [02:40] syn bit makes no sense on an icmp datagram [02:41] so actually theres no connection when pinging hosts , i mean no three way handshaking [02:41] fire|bird, any ideas for getting conky to work in ion without actually having a window for it? [02:41] right [02:41] no need to synchronize so no 3-way handshake happening [02:42] connectionaless protocol, or whatever the buzz term is [02:42] well thats a bit weird for me to understand, other than just memorizing it [02:42] dive: Umm, no, not atm, I never really messed with conky in ion [02:42] it was supposed to have a connection tho [02:42] ... [02:43] ICMP behaves more like UDP than TCP even though ICMP is not a transport protocol [02:44] I mean that strictly in a comparison of connection vs. connectionless, not in function [02:47] antiwire: did you have to add a udev rule for the reader? [02:47] ok thanks guys [02:48] nope [02:48] no problemo. now stop pinging me already! [02:48] mancha: at least he's only pinging you and not pm'ing [02:49] oh, i have PMs shut off so i never have that issue :) [02:49] hey antiwire sorry, OK [02:50] *disclaimer* the pinging was a joke too, lame jokebut its late so sue me :) [02:50] mancha: hehe [02:54] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89EC4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:54] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [02:55] supergear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [02:56] . [02:56] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:57] always when chaging the major version, will take longer ? [02:57] than usual [02:58] eh? as in slack 12.x to 13.x vs 12.1 to 12.2? [02:58] yep [02:59] dunno, it all depends on how much gets updated, which one assumes is more between majors, but who knows, i never "update" [03:00] morning [03:00] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [03:00] y0 slack [03:00] slackytude: [03:00] y0 phoenix^ [03:00] slackytude: How's it going? [03:01] phoenix^, still alive despite the best efforts of my many enemies [03:01] phoenix^, how about you? [03:01] slackytude: doing excellent, thanks. :) [03:01] those enemies are simply not trying hard enough. [03:02] or slackytude is stronger than we think/know [03:02] All they need to do is which him to decaf [03:02] death will come over swiftly [03:02] haha [03:03] not decaf! [03:04] my only vunerability, my achilies heel, my coffee [03:04] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-75-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:05] http://www.lyricsmania.com/lyrics/descendents_lyrics_2552/everything_sucks_lyrics_7150/coffee_mug_lyrics_83720.html [03:06] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:07] archiebenedict (n=archie@adsl-69-224-95-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:08] 10.2-11 took over a year, 11-12 took 9 months... 12.2 - 13 at over 7 months so far ... http://www.jeepster.org.uk/history.html [03:08] how do you restart alsa in slackware? ive looked for rc. scripts and init scripts, but i cant find a script that does this [03:09] archiebenedict: as root, /etc/rc.d/rc.alsa restart [03:09] i don't thin that works phoenix [03:09] weird. thats missing in my install [03:09] mancha: It's worked for me in the past. Is there another way? [03:10] i don;t htink that rc script takes arguments like restart [03:10] just running it will run alsactl though, which is what you're after [03:10] it sure does, I just tried it. [03:10] ok, run it without the "restart" [03:11] its merely dismissing your argument [03:11] mancha: yeah, it does the same thing, good point. :P [03:11] thanks [03:11] ram3L (n=root@unaffiliated/yasuyk) joined ##slackware. [03:11] hello guys [03:11] hello [03:11] good afternoon [03:11] no problemo :> [03:11] ram3L: you shouldn't be irc'ing as root [03:12] nah let him [03:12] im trying to change the port into 222 [03:12] heheh [03:12] alright. :) [03:12] using this /etc/ssh/sshd_config [03:12] thats the right file [03:12] #Port 222 [03:12] do i need to remove the "#" ? [03:12] take out the hash [03:13] and restart sshd [03:13] hash is "#" right? [03:13] phoneix, now's the time for "restart" you're on cue! [03:13] remove the # [03:13] yes, #=hash mark [03:13] #=commented out [03:14] aka: default stands. [03:14] mancha: haha [03:14] 5.) Reload SSH config, "service sshd reload", and restart SSH, "service sshd restart". [03:14] those commands wont work [03:14] service sshd reload - wont work [03:14] yeah because you are running Slackware. [03:14] /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd restart [03:15] and even server sshd restart wont work [03:15] oh ok ok [03:15] mancha: Bah, you just had to say that, didn't you. [03:15] :P [03:15] you missed your cue! [03:15] -bash: /etc/rc.d/rc.ssh: No such file or directory [03:15] pidgin auto minimized on me, I couldn't get it typed. :( [03:15] -bash: /etc/rc.d/rc.ssh: No such file or directory [03:15] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [03:15] oops [03:15] sorry [03:15] tab would help [03:15] re-read? [03:16] problem with the terminal [03:16] you're not looking carefully enough [03:16] when i paste a txt, it will disappear.2nd paste will be ok [03:17] phoenix^ i forgot the shell user account pass [03:17] is pidgin taking over the irc world? [03:17] ill creat later [03:17] mancha: yup, we're pidginizing the world one pc at a time. [03:18] damn, like the borg [03:18] mancha: what client do you use? xchat or something? [03:18] i use a very old hacked client which i cobbled together [03:19] root@linuxsociety:~# /etc/rc.d/rc.ssh restart [03:19] ah, a home made one, cool. [03:19] it wont work really [03:19] ram3L, re-read what i wrote carefully [03:19] ok [03:19] ram3L: read again what mancha wrote, you're missing something. :) [03:19] well, hacks of existing code, nothing from scratch [03:19] mancha: cool, what do you call the hacked together client? [03:20] mancha v0.0000000001 [03:20] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-82.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "fui" [03:20] haha [03:20] !seen fire|bird [03:21] supergear: yeah, what do you want? :P [03:22] ok its works now [03:22] thanks alot guys [03:22] but i cannot connect to the box(remote) [03:22] whew [03:22] problem with the server [03:22] NAT thing [03:23] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:23] archiebenedict (n=archie@adsl-69-224-95-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:23] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) joined ##slackware. [03:24] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [03:24] o_leo_o (n=leo@116.233.216.116) joined ##slackware. [03:25] thanks guys! [03:25] no problemo [03:25] :) [03:26] i go to local and figure the nat [03:26] o_leo_o (n=leo@116.233.216.116) left irc: Client Quit [03:26] ram3L (n=root@unaffiliated/yasuyk) left irc: "#slackware thanks :)" [03:27] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Ho_ça kal1n." [03:28] ipv6 wont network enviroment wont need dhcp server , will it? [03:29] ipv6 wont network enviroment wont need dhcp server , will it?* [03:30] huh? [03:31] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [03:31] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:31] ipv6 network enviroment wont need dhcp server ** [03:32] ICS dhcpd supports ipv6 since version 4.x. [03:32] If you need it under Slackware you'll need to build it and upgrade the stock dhcpd yourself [03:33] American_Dad > Family_guy ! [03:33] j/k [03:33] maybe using dhclient would work? [03:33] marto28sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) joined ##slackware. [03:33] Nick change: supergear -> American_Dad [03:33] dhclient is a client... [03:34] it's a different client tho [03:34] We are talking about servers. [03:34] dhcpd aint a server either, no? [03:35] dhcpd is a server dhcpcd is a client. [03:35] antiwire: how about the ipv6 stateless autoconfiguration feature [03:35] heh [03:35] good point [03:36] dhcp servers wont be needed anymore [03:36] From the actual RFC "The stateless approach is used when a site is not particularly concerned with the exact addresses hosts use, so long as they are unique and properly routable." [03:37] so if the administrator wants to the network under certain controls, yes...an ipv6 dhcp server is still used. [03:37] the next sentence in the RFC "The stateful approach is used when a site requires tighter control over exact address assignments." [03:37] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@173.60.119.54) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:39] yeah but but in a near future pretty much all of our home eletronics will ship with a chip having its own ip addresses and then a pain in arse to configure a dhcp server fro all that [03:40] john_dee (n=id@93.81.141.88) joined ##slackware. [03:40] I can think of plenty of reasons that an administrator would want to be in control of his network's address space. [03:40] The-spiki (n=spiki@linette.net.yu) joined ##slackware. [03:40] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [03:40] You can argue with the protocol drafters if you want [03:42] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-82.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:43] im testing the nvidia-190.18.03 and now jdownloader does not freezes [03:43] \o [03:43] antiwire: does cat /proc/bus/usb show Driver=(none) for your fingerprint reader? [03:44] err /proc/bus/usb/devices [03:44] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [03:44] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:44] Family_guy (n=ecnrdoi@189.82.9.72) left irc: "The person who reads too much and uses his brain too little will fall into lazy habits of thinking." [03:45] yeah [03:45] ok [03:48] When I run tf-tool --acquire as root it pauses for a few seconds at Initializing.... and then I get the prompt to swipe [03:49] Nick change: American_Dad -> Hakudoshi [03:50] antiwire: tf-tool --acquire --verbose just sits on Initializing... done. [03:50] chopp: which version of thinkfinger are you using? [03:50] 0.3 [03:51] you might want to try the svn, it's at r118 [03:51] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [03:51] ahh alright [03:51] "The leading cause of death among fashion models is falling through street grates." [03:53] loomsen (n=docter@85.176.0.99) joined ##slackware. [03:54] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [03:54] hi i need help [03:54] i do df -h to get this on one of my mount - 37G 177M 35G, where did the 2gb go? and when i am trying to install a game, it says i only have 20 or so gb on that mount, where did the 10gb or so go?? [03:56] anyone? :( [03:56] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [03:56] elderK (n=elderK@222-152-99-143.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [03:56] elderK (n=elderK@222-152-99-143.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:57] 5% of every ext3/4 drive is reserved by default. that would explain where the 2gb went [03:58] that is tunable using tune2fs as well [03:58] damnit i gotta go back to gparted then [03:58] tuneable?! is it hard to? [03:58] alicephilippa (n=alice@86.150.143.251) joined ##slackware. [03:58] man tune2fs [03:58] i got nothing in that mount so i cant possibly lose anything i dont think [03:58] no, but the partition should be unmounted [03:59] -m reserved-blocks-percentage [03:59] it is now, hold on [03:59] sidmario_ (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:00] Nick change: sidmario_ -> Guest95683 [04:00] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:00] sidmario (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:00] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:00] goodfellas is on [04:01] y0 mrselfpwn [04:01] y0 phoenix^ [04:01] fire|bird (n=silvergo@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [04:02] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [04:03] Well, gotta get going. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening} everyone. Take care. [04:03] malandro (n=frozenfl@user-0c6tm36.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [04:04] hello [04:04] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-168-78-251.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:04] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware (""Those who do not feel pain seldom think that it is felt." Dr. Samuel Johnson"). [04:08] Hakudoshi (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:08] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:10] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [04:11] credo (n=36th@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [04:12] Guest95683 (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:12] urrgggg hangover [04:13] stop drinking spook [04:14] CeruleanC (n=Cerulean@unaffiliated/ceruleanc) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:14] I drink a 1:1 pint ratio of beer:water [04:14] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.74.34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:14] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:15] piss a lot but usually helps fend off the nasties later on [04:15] missyjane: but... [04:15] lol antiwire good advice [04:15] brb i need more space, even lowering the fs wont help so brb [04:15] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [04:15] spook: right? http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h216/jkossen/beer7gu.gif [04:17] antiwire: lol [04:18] antiwire: looking like it's thinkfinger mailing list time: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/zAtV5S85.html [04:18] life sucks [04:18] i was just thinking that [04:19] chopp: dang [04:19] chopp: I never had that happen on my system [04:20] antiwire: you think it could be errors with the lib-pam install maybe? [04:20] this looks like it's happening way before PAM comes in but you could try recompiling thinkfinger with --disable-pam and see if it works then [04:21] maybe strace tf-tool too [04:21] that would be useful for the maillist [04:21] hey good idea, and if you didn't realize already, I configured with --enable-usb-debug [04:22] i did not ;) [04:22] superGear (n=supergea@65.113.15.181) joined ##slackware. [04:23] sidmario (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:24] Nick change: sidmario -> Guest85412 [04:25] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [04:26] i downloaded 13rc2 but then i got into a computer game [04:31] antiwire: select(4, NULL, [], NULL, {0, 1000}) = 0 (Timeout) [04:31] gettimeofday({1250497784, 906411}, NULL) = 0 [04:31] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:31] ioctl(3, USBDEVFS_REAPURBNDELAY, 0xbf8fd498) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) [04:31] interesting [04:32] that was throwing strace into the mix [04:33] and compiled with --disable-pam [04:34] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:35] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [04:35] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:37] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-8-74.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:38] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware. [04:45] i have slackware [04:45] grats [04:46] thanks [04:46] but configuring it is such a pain [04:46] nonsense [04:47] then don't have slackware anymore [04:47] antiwire: lol [04:48] i wonder if, i can be made to do this: i make it a ssh server with keys. then, when it powers up, and asks for a login that will never come, i come and ssh in and gain rights [04:48] ...... [04:48] what [04:48] thats what sshd does [04:49] didnt knew that. but i know everthying about video cards. from ubuntu [04:50] wow, this should be good. [04:50] it always is good with Keiffer [04:51] how is that? [04:53] what's a good video card for ubuntu Keiffer? [04:53] haha [04:54] the one that really worked well was a Nvidia Geforce fx5200. [04:54] with other 4, mainlz ati i had big problems without proprietary drivers [04:54] and even with em [04:55] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "Reconnecting" [04:55] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [04:56] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-168-78-251.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:00] oh yeah Keiffer? who is your favorite rugrat? [05:00] bigtfishbone (n=bigtfish@0x57305c62.abnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [05:01] rugrat? what is that? [05:01] little tiny rodents that live under carpet. [05:02] all carpets have them [05:02] hi guys i wonder how do i change my keyboard from being american to danish ? cuz i got a hard time using signs like ****^"^'-_=)(&/(% [05:02] so when I say, who's your favorite rugrat? it's usually common to say "a dead one" [05:03] i like jerry [05:03] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.83.198) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:03] he has many friends and sometimes the come at my place to party [05:04] bigtfishbone (n=bigtfish@0x57305c62.abnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [05:04] the sodomize the cat also, witch is not very nice [05:04] feline sodomy? [05:05] yea [05:05] did i presented to you my project? handychat [05:06] it works this way. you dont recognize people by their voices, nicks or avatars like classical chat, but rather by their hands [05:06] mrselfpwn: you were hoping it would get good? here it comes [05:06] an special algorithm analizes mole sctructure, hairs growth and typing [05:07] ^^ [05:07] for security, you can use right hand (pub key) and left hand (secret key) [05:07] also, for people without hands one can create a VirtuHands pair [05:08] wouldn't the left hand be better named the 'stranger key' ? [05:08] it will be revolutionary. i expect 1 mil users in first 6 months [05:08] why strager key? [05:08] Action: spook runs to the patent office [05:10] it will be good for everyone. pope can use e-pray service, muslim women dont need to take off their hoods [05:10] so how will they catch online sexual offenders? [05:11] just curious if this can be implemented in that aspect [05:11] that will be real easy. by the erratic movement of their hands, sweatiness and vasodilatation [05:11] elderK (n=elderK@222-152-99-143.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [05:11] so it would require dedicated hardware? [05:12] elderK (n=elderK@222-152-99-143.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left ##slackware. [05:12] antiwire: you were right. [05:12] a webcam and optional, a fingerprint reader [05:12] so basically its doing the job of a fingerprint reader? [05:13] no, why? its more complex that that [05:13] it could be replaced by a fingerprint reader. [05:13] same problem with all biometrics, once its comprimised its useless [05:14] no dude, a fingerprint read just read finger prints. my system will also do cold reading for eg [05:14] you can change a password or private/public key pair, you cant change an eye or fingerprint [05:14] or palm reading [05:14] I think he's talking about constant monitoring of the hand. [05:14] so it could be defeated by a photo? [05:14] ah ok [05:15] yea, constant. spanning to years if necessary [05:15] mohaa (n=moha@92.49.74.204) joined ##slackware. [05:15] Action: quasar 's going to set his up to require a sperm donation for DNA testing. [05:15] y4m4 (n=harsha@122.166.102.221) joined ##slackware. [05:16] lol, your's should work out of the box then quasar [05:16] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.83.198) joined ##slackware. [05:16] Keiffer: all i can say is good, i dont think you'll get much money. [05:17] y4m4 (n=harsha@122.166.102.221) left irc: Client Quit [05:17] i am not doing it for money! its a legacy [05:17] its not going to be revolutionary [05:17] don't you think people might find it a a little intrusive Keiffer? [05:17] loomsen (n=docter@85.176.0.99) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [05:17] :( [05:17] try some case studies before you start spending money on it [05:17] go do a thesis in computer vision too. [05:18] dude [05:18] wtf am I talking about? It's a great idea Keiffer. [05:18] You will make millions. [05:19] of course it will [05:19] especially if the pope buys into it. [05:19] hm.. it seems youtube has changed their site.. clive and my script are borked :( [05:20] mrselfpwn: dont forget the airports buying it to cater for muslim women who have no better system than being taken out of sight by a female customs officer to confirm her identity. [05:20] yes. imagine to shake the hands of virtually anyone. social interaction w-o frontiers [05:21] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [05:21] yes. it will bond the societes. there will be no more gaps between races, social positions, religion [05:21] yes, i'm sorry Keiffer though I didn't tell anyone since I was saving it. I already had your idea and it's in the works as we speak. [05:21] it will be the best thing happend to earth [05:22] then, the RHITK will come for you [05:22] Action: spook calls the men in white coats [05:23] Rogue Hand Instructed To Kill [05:23] I actually think you might have sshd into my computer and found it. [05:23] 60ish computer guys in labcoats ? [05:23] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl10-166-20.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:23] rachael: they work at a place with padded cells [05:24] more like 12 monkeys or fallout [05:24] well user support can drive anyone into one of those [05:25] Leenux (n=nobody@114.57.34.236) joined ##slackware. [05:25] i'm just joking with you keiffer. sounds like a good idea though. :) [05:25] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [05:26] mrselfpwn: doubtful. [05:26] have just been battle a none samba here, turned out to a none running cupsd , would be nice if samba could throw some senseable errors in such a case, or that one could disable it in samba without haveing to resort to recompile the damm thing [05:26] Action: mrselfpwn pokes spook [05:26] rachael: ?? [05:27] mrselfpwn: uhuh? [05:27] alicephilippa (n=alice@86.150.143.251) left irc: [05:27] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [05:27] i care no more about people trying to disrupt me from creating it [05:27] Keiffer: well you brought up your idea. [05:28] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [05:28] Keiffer: if you didnt want any discussion about it perhaps you should have kept it to yourself. [05:28] Keiffer: if you can't tolerate constructive critism of your idea, you're not going to get far with it. [05:29] dude, it just for fun...altrough i think some geek will put this into practice at some level [05:29] i was just fooling around [05:29] creativeness exercises [05:29] actually, on a serious note, something similar is already available and becoming more and more advanced. [05:30] Keiffer: have you got any education in computer vision? [05:30] like virtual characters that read tiny facial expression and body language to determine mood and to interact with a person. [05:31] i know at my uni there has been a substantial amount of work done on displaying and recognising sign language [05:31] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:32] spook, no, i am a noob in computer sciences [05:32] i had a link to a very cool video demonstrating it. [05:32] Keiffer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_vision#Recognition [05:33] spook, samba in 12.2 is compiled with cups enable, but samba doesnt provide any way of configureing it not to use it, so if you doesnt have cupsd running, smbd fails to run [05:33] Keiffer: start your education. you wont take your idea far or well without some :) [05:33] keiffer, Rugrats is a cartoon about babies that can talk to and understand each other. [05:33] rachael: not my experience. [05:33] rachael: works fine without cups running. [05:33] mrselfpwn, inside joke. didnt know that [05:34] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-192-218.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:34] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [05:34] spook, its not an idea. its nothing. i was fooling around as ai said [05:35] Keiffer: okay, see you later i'm off to the patent office [05:35] alicephilippa (n=alice@host86-150-143-251.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [05:36] spook, not here, smbd keeps trying to connect to the cupsd port [05:37] rachael: have you looked at smb.conf ? [05:38] hrm.. even if it were in smb.conf, would cups pervent it from loading for any reason? [05:39] spook, ofcause, but none of the config things regarding printing can totalt disable smbd trying to connect to cups [05:40] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [05:42] but its only an issue on one of the 12.2 boxes, cant reproduce the error on the others [05:42] only different is this one is assigned as the local master [05:42] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [05:44] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [05:44] what's the error? [05:44] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-421232.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:46] is ksirk ever going to be fixed in -current ? [05:46] Nick change: Guest85412 -> sidmario [05:48] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [05:48] alicephilippa (n=alice@host86-150-143-251.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) left irc: [05:48] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:49] http://pastebin.com/mc2fe74c running smbd as interactive with dbug 8 [05:49] debug even [05:49] spook: the problem being what exactly? [05:50] pprkut: consistently crashes. [05:51] hmm, can't say that here, though I haven't played a lot lately [06:06] malandro (n=frozenfl@user-0c6tm36.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:11] Elektro (n=Elektro@90.85-84-206.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [06:14] Nick change: Zordrak_ -> Zordrak [06:16] linXea (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [06:16] marto28sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:18] Any idea how to force pwconv to work in a different directory? I have separate nis passwd/shadow/group files [06:20] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [06:20] okie dokie back [06:20] i also learned something new in gparted, i now know how to move around empty partitions :D [06:20] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:20] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [06:21] my X window won't work [06:21] Xvfb :1 -ac -screen 0 800x600x16 -fbdir /opt/lampp/htdocs [06:21] because it hates you >:( [06:21] now apologize to it [06:21] http://pastebin.com/m1cfb6f0e [06:21] this is my xorg log [06:21] help me to fix it, please [06:22] nvidia or ati? [06:22] well brb i forgot to do something in gparted [06:22] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: Client Quit [06:22] Leenux: dont be so demanding. [06:24] ati radeon [06:26] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [06:27] linXea (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "Lämnar" [06:30] alicephilippa (n=alice@host86-150-143-251.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [06:35] I hate mondays [06:39] Netu (i=JungleCa@cs71082.pp.htv.fi) joined ##slackware. [06:42] marquinhu (n=EasyScri@189.71.73.85) joined ##slackware. [06:42] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [06:43] sounds like slackytude is having a case of the mondays :( [06:43] Action: slackytude nods [06:45] roorah (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:45] marto28sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) joined ##slackware. [06:46] Wilblake (n=matheus@unaffiliated/wilblake) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:47] slackytude: morgen. [06:47] BP{k}, morning [06:47] linXea (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [06:48] linXea (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Client Quit [06:48] cant belive i have to rebuild shadow just to get a pwconv for a non /etc dir [06:49] linXea (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [06:49] linXea (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:50] Leenux: if you have an ATI card, X isn't finding it.. it finds some Intel integrated graphics .. but I'm no expert on the subject [06:55] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [06:56] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:03] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@86-42-178-166-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [07:07] dunno if its just chance or not, but i'm getting more and more chances to convert people to linux [07:08] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:11] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-86-31-102-84.popl.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:11] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:13] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [07:13] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [07:13] anyone in here familiar with Solaris? [07:13] marquinhu (n=EasyScri@189.71.73.85) left irc: "EasyScript: O script do planeta! [www.EasyScript.com.br]" [07:14] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-42-153-62-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:15] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [07:16] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:16] oh god [07:16] TwinReverb: open? [07:16] no wonder [07:17] missyjane: hmm? [07:17] ive been working on z: [07:17] spook, well i have an army buddy that uses solaris at work and is interested in using something similar (but obviously user-friendly) at home [07:18] i tried getting him hooked on slackware but it didn't go well [07:18] linux? [07:18] but debian didn't either lol he's addicted to ubuntu [07:18] i can call him a ubuntard [07:18] haha [07:18] each to their own [07:18] takes all kinds to make a world [07:18] but my question: what desktop does solaris (old-school) use (graphical) [07:18] something shitty [07:19] does anyone here know how to use wine? ;( i have 50gb in /mnt/game but it is showing i only have about 20gb which is exactly what i have left in ~ which makes me think wine thinks i want to install it in ~ [07:19] Reav___ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [07:19] missyjane: yes :) [07:19] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [07:19] missyjane: wine's 'drives' are in ~/.wine/ [07:19] try winecfg [07:19] but i made a space for this game :( why is it being mean to me? [07:20] aww [07:21] slackytude: looks like missyjane is having a case of the mondays too [07:21] drink more coffee [07:21] oh oh [07:22] harvey birdman woke me up this morning [07:22] crashed at a friends house. [07:22] "i'm superman, i can fly! i'm spiderman, i can climb! i'm garfield and i hate mondays" [07:22] lol [07:23] that i am [07:24] hi missyjane :) [07:24] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:24] hi jonsmith1982! [07:24] it looks like its working tho [07:24] 49G 180M 46G now become s 49G 3.6G 43G [07:24] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [07:24] so the installation looks so so... have to see what it tells me [07:25] missyjane: did you look at the stuff i suggested? [07:26] man [07:26] the ms sql database is a real bitch sometimes [07:26] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [07:26] spook tune2fs? yeah but thats not the prob [07:26] slackytude: you're only just realising this? [07:26] especially when it refuses to start and gives no error whatsoever [07:26] missyjane: i mean about wine [07:26] dngr (n=dngr@n11649137070.netvigator.com) left irc: Connection timed out [07:26] spook o.o what did you suggest? [07:26] 13:28:01 Server successfully started [07:26] that's nice slackytude :/ [07:26] 13:28:02 Server successfully stopped [07:26] great! [07:26] that sucks [07:27] missyjane: wine's 'drives' are in ~/.wine/ try running winecfg [07:27] tell me about it [07:27] oh i did that [07:27] i have to admit, having strong control over my hard drive makes me orgasm [07:27] i basically know how to move around my partition with gparted [07:28] haha [07:28] move it forward and back, for the orgasm? [07:28] ;p [07:28] lol xD pervert [07:29] who me? [07:29] naaa [07:29] :p [07:29] its just working so well, i risked it greatly, id idnt even back up those files on those partitions (i moved all of the partition) [07:29] ok [07:30] gparted is nice [07:30] jep [07:30] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:30] its not nice [07:30] its AMAZING [07:30] funny enough its even recommended in #windows often enough [07:30] :D [07:30] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-224-75.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [07:31] my usb stops working after a while :/ [07:32] how so? [07:32] even with a usb mouse [07:32] and than i have to reboot [07:33] you know, slackware really is quite awesome. [07:33] i think this is the golden age of linux [07:33] heh, golden age [07:33] i use slackware more than 5 years now [07:33] Action: missyjane takes out a rubber sword and stabs [07:34] i love it [07:34] haha [07:35] D: you like being stabbed? [07:35] Action: missyjane stabs Bart_S very hard and pounds him, stab stab stab [07:35] lol [07:35] lol no [07:35] i love slackware [07:35] haha [07:36] Action: Bart_S slaps missyjane [07:39] Action: missyjane slaps Bart_S with a fully grown shark [07:39] shark slapping, eh? [07:39] that takes me back [07:41] Action: Bart_S slaps missyjane with a whale [07:41] whoa youre strong [07:41] you can lift a whale [07:41] baby whale [07:42] Action: missyjane pokes Bart_S in the stomach [07:42] cookie dough [07:43] Action: spook flexes [07:43] Action: slackytude slowly fades into background [07:44] Action: Bart_S licks missyjane , hmm chocolate [07:45] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [07:46] wow channel took a bit of a left turn there [07:46] O.O [07:47] slackware (n=slackwar@85.97.44.112) joined ##slackware. [07:47] Nick change: slackware -> Guest64862 [07:47] Nick change: Guest64862 -> slackware-- [07:47] Nick change: slackware-- -> slackware- [07:48] everyone doing good today? [07:48] yup [07:49] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.41) joined ##slackware. [07:50] how do you escape spaces in a variable with bash? [07:50] \ [07:50] "\ " [07:51] but the variable is dynamic. [07:51] huh? [07:51] do you use another app like sed or something? [07:51] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:51] yeah [07:51] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [07:52] Chapinha (i=0@201.53.196.77) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:52] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [07:55] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [07:55] lol [07:57] ugh wine eject h: and wine eject e: is not working! :( [07:58] take a bigger hammer [07:58] :( no [07:59] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-sxrxpxlozqacsxod) joined ##slackware. [07:59] i'm just trying to help [07:59] big hammers always help. Why I have one at my shop [08:00] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [08:01] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:01] morn [08:01] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:02] morning Quiznos [08:02] o/ Quiznos [08:03] Quiznos: yummy [08:03] hi [08:03] eyes still closed [08:04] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:04] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:06] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [08:06] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:13] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.27.215) joined ##slackware. [08:14] Srbo (n=Srbo@srv5.inffo.net) joined ##slackware. [08:15] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [08:16] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:18] uva (i=bno@118-160-174-94.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:24] Action: dtanner agrees. When all else fails use a WAR HAMMER. [08:24] like Thor does [08:25] but that would go against the "move around the system *gracefully*" lesson I was taught many years ago. =) [08:25] Action: TwinReverb cd /us/src/warhammer && ./configure --prefix=/usr && make && mkdir /tmp/warhammer && make install DESTDIR=/tmp/warhammer && cd /tmp/warhammer && makepkg -c n -l y ../warhammer-1.0.0-rad-1.txz && installpkg /tmp/warhammer-1.0.0-rad-1.txz && mv /tmp/warhammer-1.0.0-rad-1.txz /home/root/packages/slackware64/ [08:25] whoa that is much more complicated than it hought [08:26] complicated? [08:26] and Zordrak speaks! how ya been man? [08:26] that's brutally simple [08:27] dtanner: meh.. in a spiral of insanity replacing a live mail server [08:27] but thats- done now [08:27] mail servers aren't always fun =) [08:27] although i think spamassassin might need some more work [08:27] just sometimes [08:27] did you compile spamassassin with all the nice add-ons and optional stuff or just plain? [08:27] i like the "spiral of insanity" bit [08:28] dtanner: it'd have been sweet if it was from scratch.. but it was a "no user visible changes" migration from exim to postfix, mbox to maildir, nis to ldap, with mailman, vacation, etc [08:28] ouch [08:29] TwinReverb: with all the extras.. but doesnt seem to be actually doing much.. i may have missed sthg.. wasnt high on my tes-ting priorities list.. it was time critical.. now it's in i have time to revisit [08:29] there used to be a spamassassin configuration generator [08:29] TwinReverb: its through amavisd-new [08:31] i would usually set up custom spamassassin rules, such as certain things which broke RFC i would set to trip the score to make it spam [08:31] like say spam threshold is 5, things like BINARY_EXECUTABLE=5 etc [08:31] i.e. because no one should be sending binary executables [08:32] or if there was no TO: i scored that one a 5 also [08:32] any header that ought to be there that wasn't got a 5.0 [08:32] meh.. barely anything that breaks RFC makes it as far as spamassassin.. i have every cheap-check known to man going on before it [08:32] do you use graylisting? [08:32] yp [08:32] postgrey [08:32] coolness [08:33] HEMI on #2cpu is a very good mail admin, i use @puresimplicity.net for everything i do now, that's how good he is, and that's just his project machine (FreeBSD) [08:33] no _s in hosts, no pipelining, no non-fqdns etc etc etc etc [08:33] even using double-edged nolisting [08:34] slackware- (n=slackwar@85.97.44.112) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:34] 10 null.example.org, 20 valid.example.org, 30 dead.example.org -- null and dead have valid A records on IPs I have sole control of [08:34] slackware- (n=slackwar@78.184.41.246) joined ##slackware. [08:35] Rejecting approx 60,000 mails (or connections) a day at the mo [08:35] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.83.198) left irc: Connection reset by peer [08:35] burning a dvd plus compiling the kernel plus xchat, firefox, kontact, skype, and pidgin and my system load is only 65% [08:36] i love slackware linux 8-) [08:36] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.83.198) joined ##slackware. [08:36] hhell yes [08:36] total used free shared buffers cached [08:36] Mem: 2016 1649 367 0 97 1098 [08:36] and free (+/- buffers/cache) ? [08:36] yuck, xchat [08:36] -/+ buffers/cache: 448 1568 [08:36] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left ##slackware. [08:36] less than 0.5G RAM used.. THATS why i love it :) [08:37] Action: Zordrak seconds the yuck [08:37] have you seen the infamous terrorist Wha Te 'Va ? [08:42] I guess thats a global no; [08:42] its a super global no; [08:45] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-42-188-48-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [08:48] wtf.. the inside-ff-only upgrade path from 2.0.<20 to latest is: 2.0.<20 -> 2.0.20 -> 3.0.10 -> 3.0.13 [08:49] three complete pulls for a single upgrade [08:49] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:49] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [08:51] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) joined ##slackware. [08:52] compmstr (n=corey@adsl-074-185-008-197.sip.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [08:54] nForce ethernet is truly 100% and without rival the worst ethernet subsystem in the world EVER [08:54] there are worse ones, such as those not supported by Linux whatsoever [08:55] Zordrak: dead wrong. [08:55] rtl8139 [08:55] rtl isn't bad at all, it's just barely a chip. [08:55] theyve ben a rock for me for ever.. there were days (usually slack 10.2 days) when id have given an arm for an 8139 [08:56] I usually just fetch some 3Com card and use it to replace any onboard solution. [08:56] its taiwanese junk [08:56] intel makes good cards [08:57] they do indeed [08:57] i love intel ethernet [08:57] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.27.215) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:57] except for when they have no brains [08:58] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@86-42-178-166-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:58] like pci gigabit cards. [08:58] but right now i have a box with NO ethernet because it decided to BSOD during win update.. and the BSOD was caused by the nforce network bus enumerator, which noww has a corrupt driver which i wall have to transfer back on to the box using a usb stick [08:58] nForce was Asus' biggest wrong turn ever [08:59] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:59] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) joined ##slackware. [08:59] so long as the boards dont brick (which very occaisionally they do) i never have a problem with any component except two: nForce sata & nForce eth [09:00] basically, the whole primary purpose of the southbridge chip [09:00] i wouldnt have to deal with this shit if it was via [09:01] mohaa (n=moha@92.49.74.204) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:01] asus makes shitty consumer stuff [09:01] hm [09:01] how do i know if my quad core is being used by slackware? [09:01] missyjane: cat /proc/cpuinfo [09:01] i disagree.. its v good VFM, with the exception of the nForce boards [09:02] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:02] i see... [09:02] hm it still feels... slow [09:02] we'd all love to be buying tyan or supermicro.. but for a big companies user desktops.. you need to take the value where you can get it [09:03] missyjane: try top and press 1 [09:03] *company's [09:03] I've never had an issue with Asus and all except one of my computers has an asus board o.O [09:03] quasar: how many are nforce? [09:03] missyjane, um quad core what? laptop? [09:03] i've had nothing but problems with asus stuff [09:03] you != rest of world [09:04] granted your opinion matters [09:04] asus has been very good to me through the years. [09:04] whoa i didnt know that trick [09:04] TwinReverb: not many.. maybe 3 or 4 [09:04] quad core 6600 on deskto [09:04] missyjane, "top" ? [09:05] missyjane: man top has allllll sorts of cool tricks [09:06] Action: Zordrak thoroughly prefers htop [09:06] spook: now can you say that with a british accent [09:06] Action: TwinReverb can't figure out how to make it per-processor stats but knows there are applications and/or panel plugins out there that can do it [09:06] panzer: i can say it with an aussie accent [09:06] . [09:06] good enough [09:06] in fact.. i just dont use top any more cause htop is on every box i run [09:06] TwinReverb, huh? [09:06] spook, D: [09:06] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.74.204) joined ##slackware. [09:07] missyjane, open a konsole/xterm/Terminal/rxvt and type in "top" without quotes and press enter key [09:07] TwinReverb, lol i know that :x [09:07] -.- [09:07] missyjane: even better: sbopkg -i htop :) [09:09] Leenux (n=nobody@114.57.34.236) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:11] Elektro (n=Elektro@90.85-84-206.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [09:11] gotta love sbopkg [09:11] hell yes [09:12] Action: TwinReverb doesn't "gotta" love anything 8-{ [09:12] er 8-P [09:12] hiptobecubic (n=john@pool-173-65-85-6.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:12] TwinReverb: not quite [09:12] TwinReverb: you gotta love slackware, or gtfo :) [09:13] i could hate all operating systems equally [09:13] Elektro (n=Elektro@90.85-84-206.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [09:13] TwinReverb: in this channel you do [09:13] htat would be an error of judgement [09:13] or i could be one of those weirdos that uses what he hates because he likes torturing himself [09:13] laugh TwinReverb those people are not weirdos [09:13] TwinReverb: only straterra fits that bill [09:13] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-183-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:14] thats why he's /still/ on ignore :) [09:15] o.O [09:15] ok, it's not the only reason.. but it contributes [09:15] Zordrak: who? :P [09:15] lol [09:15] hey Zordrak can i pm you real quick? 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[09:25] Reav___ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection timed out [09:25] checking iomanip.h usability... no [09:25] checking iomanip.h presence... no [09:25] checking for iomanip.h... no [09:25] Channel flood from slack_fish -- kicking [09:25] configure: error: Missing a vital header file for id3lib [09:25] slack_fish kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [09:25] OH NOES! C compiler cannot create executables! :( [09:25] fish what did you break now? :) [09:26] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. [09:26] fish what did you break now? :) [09:26] slack_fish: Pastebin.. [09:26] missing a vital header file for id3lib [09:26] from what pkg? [09:27] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:27] yes slackbuid's pkg [09:27] no where' the header from? [09:27] checking iomanip.h usability... no [09:27] checking iomanip.h presence... no [09:27] checking for iomanip.h... no [09:27] ... [09:27] we saw that already [09:27] what pkg provides that header? [09:28] i don't know [09:28] find it. [09:28] >.< [09:28] what are you trying to build slack_fish ? [09:28] he's id3lib [09:29] he is id3lib [09:29] he's on ... [09:29] no, he's not [09:29] slack_fish: dude.... use fscking pastebin. [09:29] [09:29] I would like to compile and install id3lib [09:29] id3lib is a part of slackware [09:30] oh? [09:30] oh. [09:30] No it' snot [09:30] sbo [09:30] libid3tag-0.15.1b-i486-3.txz [09:30] is it?? [09:30] ooooh, sorry, I"m thinking libid3tag [09:31] rworkman: id3lib is snot? [09:31] that too [09:31] Nick change: wintery -> winter [09:31] http://slackbuilds.org/id3lib.tar.gz <-- should build fine [09:31] Hurry up and get it - that will disappear soon [09:32] if i move a downloaded .js to the dir that opera uses, will opera see that file matching a file it is about to get and use the file i saved instead? [09:32] eOliva (n=dutche@189-039-007-100.static.spo.ctbc.com.br) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [09:32] Probably not [09:32] bummer [09:32] that should work [09:32] bit of a security risk if it did [09:32] for who? [09:33] i already installed libid3tag [09:33] yes, sorry, I goofed slack_fish [09:34] oh .i know [09:34] Has been resolved [09:35] marto28sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:36] rworkman: disappear? [09:36] rworkman: 12.2 is surely not being wiped out? [09:36] Zordrak: no, but that tarball will be. :) [09:37] orite [09:37] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [09:38] Leenux (n=newbie@114.57.34.236) joined ##slackware. [09:39] I've manually installed the tgz package id3lib so compile easytag error.. [09:39] ... [09:39] Zordrak: i think you might need some coffee :P [09:39] agentc0re: just finished it hactually :) [09:39] Zordrak: you hactually hacked your hoffee? ;) [09:40] I have just removed the package id3lib. Easytag can compile [09:40] habsolutely [09:40] [09:40] I have had the effect [09:41] lol [09:41] that's so wonderfully interpretable [09:41] heh [09:42] [in bed] [09:42] tmi [09:42] Action: Zordrak beats agentc0re with a very heavy branch [09:42] Action: agentc0re doesn't think Zordrak could pick up a very heavy branch [09:42] perhaps a kde-base/tags [09:42] :P [09:42] Action: Zordrak can bench more than you :) [09:43] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [09:43] Srbo (n=Srbo@srv5.inffo.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:43] Zordrak: I work out everyday. I lift 12oz at a time. [09:43] Zordrak: i can go for hours. [09:43] heh, sugar? [09:43] OK [09:43] Zordrak: Liquid bread. [09:43] bbl gonna try and play this a little [09:43] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [09:43] sweet [09:44] hell yes. dual booting with vista was easier than i thought [09:44] Zordrak: what do you bench Zordrak? [09:44] i newbie in linux [09:44] Leenux: hi :) [09:44] After unpacking 16MB of additional disk space will be used. [09:44] Get ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-10.2/ x11-devel 6.8.2-i486-3 [5MB]...Failed to download: Server denied you to change to the given directory [09:45] Leenux: use pastebin... [09:45] why i can't --install --reinstall from slackware.com [09:45] agentc0re, sorry [09:45] i dont actually know.. the gym i was at only had a really shit machine-bar, so i was doing free weights with dumbells... but they only had up to 30kg dumbells.. so i had to just keep doing more reps or pre-stress on a machine [09:45] forget [09:45] dont know where i top out :( [09:46] OT: Need a hardware guy. Are AM3 CPUs backwards compatable with AM2 motherboards? [09:46] Alan_Hicks: "I doubt it" is all the input i have on that [09:46] Alan_Hicks: ummm... no. [09:46] Alan_Hicks: if they are AM2+ boards, yes [09:47] They will just operate at a lower speed [09:47] Zordrak: before my shoulder surgery i was benching 145Lbs. :/ It's my second surgery and it always screws me up. [09:47] am2 can take am2+, visa-versa. am2+ can take am3, visa-versa, iirc [09:47] Zordrak: i probably would struggle with 35lbs on each side. [09:47] Alan_Hicks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_AM2%2B [09:47] eww imperial weights [09:48] AM2 doesn't work on AM3 [09:48] the only conversion i know is 2.2lb ~= 1kg [09:48] Zordrak: thats what i said about your kg's :P [09:48] straterra: not what i said. [09:48] AM2+ doesn't work on AM3 either [09:48] straterra: you dirty windows lover [09:48] agentc0re: stick with the liquid bread :) [09:48] Zordrak: 65.7708937 kilograms [09:49] thats my weight. [09:49] straterra: Thanks. [09:49] 122.46994kg is my weight [09:49] Alan_Hicks: No problem [09:49] I never have the time and inclination to keep up with changes in the hardware world. [09:49] straterra: fatty fatty? [09:49] Action: fred slaps spook [09:50] Action: spook has a good metabolism [09:51] yeah thats about where i am.. many reps on 60kg cause of insufficent weight bells [09:51] will find a better gym at some point [09:53] bit nippy here, 278K [09:53] spook: nah [09:53] how long that take you? :){ [09:54] Zordrak: hey, leave him alone, hes fat and using windows. things time him a while to do [09:56] spook: who? [09:57] spook: i was talking to you.. [10:01] the next person to send me a screenshot in a ticket by pasting it into a word document gets their own bullet [10:01] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@212.200.213.162) joined ##slackware. [10:01] Zordrak: he who shall not be named [10:02] orite.. nm then [10:03] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: Connection reset by peer [10:05] Bad situation. easgtag can not find my music files [10:05] Polarbrod (n=pal@lgh7.fornfyndet.se) joined ##slackware. [10:06] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [10:07] Hey could someone answer this, how do i get slack on one usb stick and get wlan up for the eee pc, 900? [10:08] Polarbrod: usb-and-pxe-installers/README_USB.TXT [10:10] do not get that one, could you maybe explain a in a simpler way? [10:10] it is a readme file explaining how to use a usb stick to boot the installer [10:10] Polarbrod: have a look at the slackbook [10:11] oh well [10:11] always some complications [10:12] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [10:13] There is always this: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/tools/usbinstall/ [10:15] lagann_ (i=agon@c-24-61-204-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:17] Action: quasar often ponders the complications of reading :) [10:19] init[6] (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [10:21] well im lazy an got used to unetbootin oothb stuff [10:21] I guess [10:22] Polarbrod: you can pxe boot [10:22] init[6] (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Client Quit [10:22] internet install? Yeah but does it support eee wifi ? [10:23] theres no wiki support in the installer, yet. [10:23] but the ethernet works :) [10:23] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:23] you cant pxe boot on wireless, ever [10:23] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:23] oh [10:23] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:23] but you think ill can get it working after install? [10:23] yes [10:24] 900 has atheros [10:24] ok, where are you from spook? [10:25] why does that matter? 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[10:35] Polarbrod: do you know the muppets? [10:36] sure [10:36] fred: its from the department of redundancy department ;) [10:36] oh that one? : [10:36] D [10:36] the character call the swedish chef [10:36] except in sweden. [10:37] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@212.200.213.162) left irc: "Leaving" [10:38] pupiteee (n=p@79.101.129.233) joined ##slackware. [10:39] WTF is going on?! ff refuses to even try to load mailgraph.cgi [10:39] have you tried turning it off and on again? [10:39] was working fine.. everything else still is, but it doesnt even do a GET if i ask it to load the mailgraph page [10:39] spook: ff certainly [10:39] spook: thats from it crowd... [10:40] pupiteee: well is it definately plugged in? [10:40] works fine for bloody konqueror [10:40] lol [10:40] slacks (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [10:40] in the past 7 days, rejected 408,355 messages/connections [10:41] avg 40/min [10:41] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:41] cool [10:43] sidmario (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware. [10:43] sidmario (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:43] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: Nick collision from services. [10:43] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [10:43] If i'm in slackware64-current, why does /usr/src/linux/include/asm link to asm-x86? Is there no x86_64? [10:44] Nick change: slacks -> |Slacker| [10:44] those are just kernel sources.. [10:44] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:44] That isn't going to change if you run different architectures..thats how the source tree is [10:45] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: [10:45] straterra, then why is this pdf from ibm telling me to get the asm dir for my target arch? [10:45] AFTER saving a default config of the kernel with arch and crosscompile set to the target arch [10:45] Because..you're supposed to [10:45] But the source tree isn't going to like..warp itself depending on arch [10:46] but the target arch is x86-64 and there is no asm-x86_64 dir [10:46] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) left irc: "‚»" [10:46] no, i didn't expect it to warp. I thought running menuconfig had something to do with it [10:47] hiptobecubic: sigh [10:47] lol [10:47] I'm LEARNING here. work with me :) [10:47] hiptobecubic: take what straterra says with a grain of salt, he doesnt even run slackware [10:47] hiptobecubic, x86 and x86_64 are unified [10:47] i notice that /usr/include only has arm-x86 in it as well... [10:47] not arm... asm [10:47] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [10:47] Hello! [10:48] Hello! [10:48] They were unified from a certain version onwards [10:48] ok [10:48] so x86 is what i want [10:48] great thanks [10:48] Action: edman007 stabs Dominian [10:48] compiling a kernel for x86_64 is easy nowadays. [10:48] Action: Dominian is stabbed [10:48] what did I do? [10:49] Dominian, there is something in the queue on noobfarm, and you failed to fix it! [10:49] ha [10:49] I'm busy [10:49] :P [10:49] :( [10:49] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:49] Action: thrice` leaves noobfarm for bash [10:50] Srbo (n=Srbo@212.200.150.7) left irc: "Leaving" [10:50] need more moderators [10:50] blame straterra [10:50] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [10:50] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.1.41) joined ##slackware. [10:50] well hes a dirty windows lover [10:51] ewww [10:51] edman007: done [10:51] Action: edman007 gets windex [10:51] \o/ [10:52] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windex ?? [10:52] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:52] winter, yup, i'm going to drown straterra with it [10:52] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [10:52] because he is a dirty windows lover [10:52] pervert [10:53] Nothing wrong with Windows [10:53] My mom's new HP has Vista on it [10:53] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [10:53] that's ok, iv'e got a mate who likes xp. [10:54] i'd guess the majority in here use more windows than linux [10:54] xp is okay, but straterra loves vista and vista SE [10:54] thrice`: not me :P [10:55] thrice`, i have not even run my windows VM in a month, and that was to test IE, and before that i think i went ~4 months without touching anything with windows [10:58] what fqdn do i tell fetchmail to get gmail? [10:59] Quiznos, did you try just gmail.com? [10:59] thrice`: I have not used Windows for 4 months at all. And I hope I will not use it even more. [10:59] imap.gmail.com [10:59] edman007 i dont think it's that [10:59] ok imap it is. [10:59] ty [10:59] smtp.gmail.com [10:59] its in their FAQ [10:59] Quiznos, well you could read whatever they say... [10:59] always imap [10:59] i could? [11:00] always own the domain, then no one can screw you over with your email [11:02] Ok, next problem. what is config.bfd in binutils and how does one build it for x86_64? http://dpaste.com/81706/ [11:02] hiptobecubic: what are you trying to do? [11:03] make a crosscompiler for x86_64 on a x86 machine [11:04] any specific purpose? [11:04] To cross compile. [11:04] what's in config.bfd (bfd the pkgname) [11:05] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [11:06] Quiznos, what? [11:06] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [11:06] bfd is a gnu pkg [11:06] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:07] what's in config.bfd? [11:07] eelriver (n=eelriver@67.102.106.32) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [11:07] linXea (n=e@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. 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[11:20] as i know, wicd requires urwid to run. it is weird that when i look for urwid info by "slackpkg info urwid", it returns urwid-0.9.8.4-i486-1.txz, but when i install by "slakpkg install urwid" it says "No packages match the pattern for install". i am using -current [11:20] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:20] locaug: you have it installed. [11:20] urwid is only needed for wicd-curses, iirc [11:21] locaug, it means "no packages which can be installed right now match the pattern for install" [11:21] You can't install it if it's already installed. you could reinstall it.... [11:21] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) left irc: " " [11:22] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [11:22] is this a new wicd requirement? [11:22] mancha: only since 1.6 which has a curses interface [11:23] k.o. [11:23] hiptobecubic did you ./configure? [11:24] Elektro (n=Elektro@90.85-84-206.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [11:25] spook, hiptobecubic: my fault, it is installed already. so what more i need for wicd to run? when i run wicd-client from run dialog box, it says "Could not connect to wicd's D-Bus interface. Check the wicd log for error messages" [11:25] Quiznos, yes, and it worked. [11:25] ok [11:26] locaug, wicd has two parts. a client and a server. you need to run wicd as server first, and then wicd-client. There should be something in /etc/rc.d/ called rc.wicd yes? [11:26] hiptobecubic what are you doin? [11:26] Quiznos, trying to make a cross compiler [11:26] did you have a cross toolchain howto or other info? [11:26] did/do [11:26] I got this one from IBM: http://john.bitsurge.net/public/Building_a_crosscompiler.pdf [11:27] tooly (n=tooly@e178158251.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:27] is it helping? [11:27] i seemed like it until i got to this step [11:27] chk LDP for one [11:27] ldp? [11:27] the doc proj [11:27] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [11:27] locaug: /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus reload; /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd restart; wicd-client [11:27] ah [11:27] theblackerbox (n=sammo@89.240.17.52) joined ##slackware. [11:27] read the documentation next time. [11:28] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:28] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:3b1) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:28] hiptobecubic, spook: do i have to reboot after install? [11:28] no. [11:29] toast10111 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:29] hiptobecubic: it is already there, in /etc/rc.d/ [11:29] "reboot" is a windows command. not linux's [11:29] locaug, see spooks message. [11:29] Action: Zordrak is not happy [11:29] Action: Zordrak is completely restarting his thunderbird profile from scratch [11:30] Quiznos: i have been used "reboot" many many times on linux [11:30] locaug: /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus reload; /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd restart; wicd-client [11:30] locaug it's very seldom needed. [11:30] Nick change: theblackerbox -> theblackbox [11:30] what torrent trackers do you use? [11:30] one that works [11:30] i like demonoid [11:30] bbl [11:32] spook, hiptobecubic it works now after some commands spook mentioned. thank you all! [11:32] Hi all, done a search and found Alien's slackwiki guide to booting the _installer_ from USB, problem is I got an old box with slackware already installed and need to make a simple boot usb and forgotten how - anyone know a good how to for jogging my mem? [11:32] locaug: i only had to say them twice, and insult you about NOT READING THE DOCUMENTATION [11:32] theblackbox, just the boot stick? find a slackware mirror and download usbboot.img [11:33] theblackbox: usb-and-pxe-installers/README_USB.TXT [11:33] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:33] ah, that easy ;) nice [11:33] theblackbox, http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-current/usb-and-pxe-installers/ [11:33] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.1.41) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:33] hiptobecubic, quick draw! ;) [11:33] usbboot.img and usbimg2disk.sh [11:34] was still running the slocate to see if I had my iso hanging around ... typically it's on the HDD of the machine I'm trying to boot =S [11:34] the usbboot.img is 30M [11:36] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [11:37] Doh! now I remember, lol - there's no difference between a install boot disk and a system boot disk.... mondays! [11:37] i'm superman and i can fly! [11:37] i'm spiderman and i can climb! [11:37] i'm garfield and i hate mondays [11:38] Thom1_ (n=Thom1@10.102.87-79.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [11:38] esp. mondays without slackware13 [11:39] locaug (n=bnguyen@113.22.85.223) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:39] i'm using current so i'm happy [11:40] the manual says: "slackware is the oldest linux distro still alive today" [11:40] dudes, you're so jurrassic [11:40] we're [11:41] lol, Slacktimus Prime [11:41] aka Bob [11:42] Thom1 (n=Thom1@17.102.87-79.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [11:42] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:42] Nick change: Thom1_ -> Thom1 [11:44] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-8-74.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:45] Nick change: toast10111 -> toast10101 [11:45] luceroz (n=luceroz@76.31.194.150) joined ##slackware. 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[11:52] ViN86 (n=ViN86@72.228.59.183) left irc: "Leaving" [11:52] wait [11:52] that's why it's euvil [11:52] so jurassic then lol [11:53] ViN86 (n=ViN86@cpe-72-228-59-183.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:54] rworkman: do you have that 'special' slackbuild for flashplayer? [11:55] spook: http://lists.slackbuilds.org/pipermail/slackbuilds-users/2009-August/004321.html [11:56] vantech1 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: "Leaving." [11:57] thrice`: thanks [11:57] special? [11:59] pupiteee (n=p@79.101.129.233) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:59] pupiteee (n=p@79.101.185.144) joined ##slackware. [12:00] ktos (n=ktos@adfg165.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:00] Hi [12:01] Hi [12:01] Does anybody have problem with apache/gd issue on slackware64 current? [12:01] ktos: No, but I bet you didn't install anything from x/ did you? [12:01] I did [12:01] besides fred not updating slamd64? [12:01] and that is the problem [12:02] ktos: what do your apache error logs say? [12:02] edman007: I never used slamd64 [12:02] ktos, i need to blame fred at least a few times a week [12:04] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [12:04] Dominian: that is curious because I didnt have x/ pkgs few days ago and during httpd start in log I saw there is no x11.so.6 so I installed entire x/ and gd functions in php started to work [12:05] ktos: there are some tie-ins to PHP for xpm images [12:05] You don't need the entire x/ series [12:05] like 5 or 6 lib packages from x/ is all you need [12:05] and the error log for apache will tell you what those are [12:06] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: "2+2=5. You better believe it." [12:06] Dominian, what happened to the standard "we don't support anything but a full install"? [12:06] dakarn (n=skas@83.225.203.2) joined ##slackware. [12:07] edman007: I think having to doa full install on a GUI-less server in order to get support is just bad practice. [12:07] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [12:07] ViN_ (i=ViN86@VPN-ONE-THIRTY-FIVE.MIT.EDU) joined ##slackware. [12:08] Dominian: at this moment php functions of gd works and during start of apache everything is ok, but when I load one site which doesnt use gd at all I see in log that: [12:08] [notice] child pid 28493 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) [12:09] I see that every so often.. not sure why though [12:09] and before it few lines of: [12:10] Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib64/php/extensions/gd.so' - libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0
[12:10] but I have this lib! [12:11] gd functions work in other sites [12:11] make a ln-s to it and run ldconfig [12:11] already done [12:11] and? [12:11] didnt help [12:11] k [12:11] i have symblic link so.6 at lib64 [12:11] what about a hardln? [12:11] are / and usr same dev? [12:11] dakarn (n=skas@83.225.203.2) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:12] yes [12:12] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:12] ok try hardln [12:12] ln no -s [12:12] dakarn (n=skas@83.225.203.2) joined ##slackware. [12:12] rm ln-s first [12:12] ... [12:13] you know you're doing something wrong, right? [12:13] splain [12:13] look carefully at the error [12:13] it can't load libX11 [12:13] where is it? [12:13] ktos do, file path/to/x11lib [12:14] ViN86 (n=ViN86@cpe-72-228-59-183.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:14] you don't just start linking shit willy-nilly... that's how you fuck up a system [12:14] ViN_ (i=ViN86@VPN-ONE-THIRTY-FIVE.MIT.EDU) left irc: "Leaving" [12:14] i believed him when he wrote "i have it" [12:14] ktos: then you should've installed the libX11 package from x/ [12:14] but no matter [12:14] ugh.. someone at mit.edu should be put in front of a firing squad [12:14] why? [12:15] do you have a nominee? [12:15] ViN86 (i=ViN86@VPN-ONE-THIRTY-FIVE.MIT.EDU) joined ##slackware. [12:15] lol oh [12:15] Dominian: I said I installed entire X/ [12:15] ktos run, file path/to/x11lib [12:15] what ftp server do you recommend? [12:15] one that works [12:15] then you should be able to locate the file [12:15] for you [12:16] Keiffer you have acces to all the net-world; pick one. [12:16] try them all [12:16] simple is good. [12:16] Quiznos: symbolic link to libX11.so.6.2.0 [12:16] ok file that too [12:16] Quiznos: why you dony believe I installed x/ ? ;) [12:16] i do; we're chking content [12:16] Quiznos, picking one is not a good thing... [12:16] vsftpd? [12:17] Keiffer when you have dozens or more to use, "pick one" is a good way [12:17] ktos: because you wouldn't be having this problem unless you did something wrong [12:17] mancha: what about vsftpd? [12:17] I see in /var there is X11 symbolic link which doesnt work (it's red in mc) [12:18] ktos ignore for now [12:18] ok [12:18] waot. where does it point? [12:18] wait [12:18] btw, helloooo fellow mc'er :) [12:18] we should club together :) [12:18] mc'er's fer life [12:18] Keiffer, if not i'd go with Pure [12:18] heh, mc is a great program... anyways... [12:18] there is no life without mc ;) [12:19] nods [12:19] #mc [12:19] er, not Pure, Pro, i meant [12:19] mancha, they say that ftp is not very good [12:19] it's pointed to X11R6 which doesnt exists [12:19] ktos ok; fix that [12:20] ok, but where is X11R6 XD [12:20] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:20] old x that slack used to use [12:20] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [12:20] what's your dist ver? [12:20] must be an old ln [12:20] ah it's in /usr it's [12:20] Keiffer, i no longer understand your question, i thought you wnted a recommendation for an ftp daemon [12:20] Quiznos: slackware 64 current [12:20] ok [12:20] did you run file on that lib? [12:21] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:21] mancha, yes. because it was the only solutin i've found for accesing my files [12:21] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-185-190.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:21] /usr/X11R6 should exist on 64-current, and be populated with symlinks pointing back to /usr [12:21] bin -> ../bin/, include -> ../include/, etc etc. [12:21] so then after i provide a recommendation you tell me that the ftp protocol is not very good? [12:22] which brings me back to my first point... he did something wrong ^_^ [12:22] morning [12:22] we're getting there Necos [12:22] hi Urchlay [12:22] mornin Urchlay [12:22] Quiznos: yes it is ELF lib and I don't know why you dont believe me bacause as I said gd funtions works in php while it didn't before I installed x/ ;) [12:23] it's not always about you :) it's about content [12:23] heh [12:23] ok run ldconfig [12:23] already run [12:23] Srbo (n=Srbo@srv5.inffo.net) joined ##slackware. [12:24] ktos wait, elf or elf64? [12:24] elf 64 bit :( [12:24] that's what you want [12:24] ok [12:24] yes, unfortunatly [12:24] whyu un*? [12:24] because it would be solution [12:24] and? [12:25] nothing [12:25] ok add that path to etc/ld.so.conf [12:25] run ldconfig [12:25] ok [12:27] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:27] hm. PHP choking on gd because it can't find libX11... I wonder if it's really finding libX11.so, but libX11 needs some other library that's missing [12:28] Srbo (n=Srbo@srv5.inffo.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:28] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [12:28] try "ldd /usr/lib/libX11.so" and see if any "not found" lines appear [12:29] k [12:32] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-421232.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:32] Urchlay: no "not" found" lines [12:32] gd funtions works in php [12:32] only in log sth is wrong (but if in log so go on) [12:33] gd functions work... OK. [12:33] The error you're seeing in the log, when that happens, what's happening in the browser? [12:34] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.74.204) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:34] hi people [12:35] hi [12:35] Leenux (n=newbie@114.57.34.236) left irc: "Leaving" [12:35] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@200.63.208.226) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:35] Urchlay: actually nothing, I get blank page [12:36] after refresh of site I see only this error: [12:36] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@200.63.208.226) joined ##slackware. [12:37] child exit segmentation fault (11) [12:37] any segfault info in syslog? [12:37] php error shows later but don't know exactly when and why: [12:37] whose dyin? [12:37] Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib64/php/extensions/gd.so' - libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0
[12:37] as you see 0 line [12:37] so it's strange [12:37] ktos chk env-vars for LD_* [12:38] strange [12:38] Quiznos: ldconfig.so.conf didnt help [12:38] ok [12:38] OK. You said something about hosting multiple sites, and only getting the error on one of them? [12:38] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:38] pizzledizzle hey; how's nyc? [12:38] pizzledizzle are my sisters ok? [12:38] how do i send an e-mail with mail -s but make it to show my REAL address? [12:38] not my host [12:39] no info at syslog [12:39] try "ldd /usr/lib64/php/extensions/gd.so" [12:39] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@212.200.213.162) joined ##slackware. [12:39] ok [12:39] look for any "not found" there [12:39] xchatter (n=xchatter@59.94.178.210) joined ##slackware. [12:39] Urchlay: yes, only on one [12:39] Urchlay: ok [12:39] xchatter (n=xchatter@59.94.178.210) left irc: SendQ exceeded [12:40] xchatter (n=xchatter@59.94.178.210) joined ##slackware. [12:40] ktos: and all these sites are running on the same box, same apache server? Possibly you have per-site php.ini's and the one for that particular site is screwed up? [12:40] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-43-153.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:40] man mail [12:40] pathing issue? [12:40] Urchlay: exactly the same [12:40] that is simple server [12:41] "configure: error: compiler support for visibility attribute is required" Does this mean anything to anyone? I'm trying to build glibc. [12:41] hiptobecubic the required support is not there; configure mistake likely [12:41] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:41] Urchlay:no "not found" info :( [12:42] gd should works good if in another site it works [12:42] ktos: "another site" meaning just a different vhost? yes, you're right. [12:42] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [12:42] yes exctly Urchlay [12:43] it's really weird [12:43] ktos: if it's not working for just one site, I would start looking at what's different about that site's PHP code [12:44] /usr/lib64/php/extensions/gd.s does exists ? [12:44] or php directives in .htaccess files. [12:44] thumbs: good call [12:44] and you can access the file? [12:44] Quiznos, well of course this pdf doesn't mention it. http://dpaste.com/81733/ [12:45] s0d0 (n=john@host86-175-193-10.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [12:45] hiptobecubic: pastebin your config.log [12:45] i hate dpaste [12:45] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) joined ##slackware. [12:45] quit changing your paste servers! [12:46] Urchlay: I support http for a ... living.. I'm used to it :) [12:46] ok I will try to find it [12:46] maybe you need to be expicit about the toolchain? [12:46] i've read man mail but nothing there [12:46] thank you very very very much Quiznos and Urchlay :) [12:47] thumbs: I used to, but I don't really miss it :) [12:47] Urchlay, http://pastebin.ca/1532725 [12:47] emma578 (n=chatzill@host-84-223-158-76.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [12:47] Urchlay: nowadays, it's a mix of mysql and httpd [12:47] Has anyone else had problems with thunderbird asking for passwords at the start of each session? Ive created a whole new bloody profile.. but im still having the problem? [12:47] hello i m in console how to power on the monitor? [12:47] Quiznos, dpaste complained about the length of my paste so i had to use ca [12:47] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.23.233) joined ##slackware. [12:47] CC="/usr/bin/gcc" ./configure, mehaps? [12:47] Zordrak: i don't think that setting is part of a profile [12:47] I think it is global [12:47] conftest.c:1: error: visibility attribute not supported in this configuration; ignored [12:48] i cannot type the keyboard so the monitor is in powersafe how to turn on the monitor ? i m in remote console [12:48] it's supposed to be using the new compiler for this... according to the IBM tutorial i'm walking through [12:48] "CC=$TARGET-gcc" [12:48] i think thats where your problem lies [12:48] hm. the visibility attribute must be a gcc extension. My guess is that it wants a particular gcc version (newer than what you're using) [12:48] zaltekk: its not supposed to be a setting.. if you tick the box it should remember permanently.. not just for the session.. theyre stored in signons.txt and kef3.db [12:48] Lapmann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:48] hiptobecubic i lub pastebin bc it presents list of files; others dont. so it's more typing to me. (sign your work ;) [12:49] i'm using 4.3.3 [12:49] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:49] emma578 can you startx blind on tty1? [12:50] no no i m on tty1 [12:50] i used a command to set terminal parameters but i forgot the command name [12:51] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-sxrxpxlozqacsxod) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:51] xset dpms off [12:51] Zordrak: oh. i thought you wanted to stop it from having a password. [12:51] emma578 setterm -blank 0 -powerdown 0 -powersave off [12:51] setterm thanks a lot [12:51] emma578 and what mancha said too [12:51] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A74F70.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:51] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-hbbhzlhwyivyibmg) joined ##slackware. [12:54] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) left irc: "leaving" [12:54] emma578 success? [12:54] -powersave off reports an error [12:54] cannot set the powersave mode [12:54] pff.. xset -dpms s 0 s noblank [12:54] is anyone aware of cases where malformed videos (say avi) root a box when played with mplayer? does this require one to see mplayer segfault? [12:54] ok skip for now; address that later [12:54] but powerdown 0 seems ok [12:55] ok good [12:55] mancha havent heard anything [12:55] google mplayer segfaults [12:56] emma578 you're on remote that is screen-off? [12:56] that was * [12:56] this whole remote screen off business is not intelligible to me, if you're remote who cares about the screen [12:57] i mean monitor [12:57] not bin/screen [12:57] rhys (n=rhys@dialup-4.253.113.55.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [12:57] i m in a remote connection [12:57] mancha: eh, unless you're running mplayer as root, it shouldn't be able to root the box (worst case is it gets access as the user running mplayer, which is still bad) [12:57] ok emma578 [12:58] Urch, that's not necessarily true (cf privilege escalation) but you agree that if you don't see a segfault then no way to root it? [12:58] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@hbge-216-37-227-223.dsl.hbge.epix.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [12:58] thanks a lot [12:58] ciao [12:59] emma578 (n=chatzill@host-84-223-158-76.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]" [12:59] actually, if it's a stack-smashing type attack, it doesn't have to segfault [12:59] aha, thats interesting. what telltale signs would there be? [12:59] it'll go to return from a function and end up in attacker-supplied code, which could even fork off another process, then return to the real return address [13:00] Hello all, trying to boot into this exhumed box... wondering if someone might know this one: I can't seem to boot from SATA disk... could this be a BIOS thing? it has SATA support and earmarks them in the "Boot from HDD" menu, so I wouldn't expect it... but the only other thing it could be is that the boot device is not the first device (i.e. sdb) [13:00] and I thought that was more ridiculous than shitty hardware.... but could be related =S [13:00] Action: theblackbox is confused [13:01] mancha: well, if it's an attack targeted at x86, and you try it in an x86_64 mplayer, *then* it'll segfault (or die with "illegal instruction" maybe) [13:01] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [13:02] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.74.204) joined ##slackware. [13:02] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:02] thats a good suggestion. [13:02] tanks [13:02] mancha: I don't even know if there are any such evil AVIs out in the wild. Seems like if I were trying to create one, I'd target windows media player, lots more people run it than mplayer... but I dunno [13:02] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [13:03] didn't even know that was possible [13:04] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [13:05] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:07] heh, silly link of the day: http://error-nerds.com/how-to-fix/?id=Impotence%20and%20Excessive%20Flatulence [13:08] Greetings everyone. :) [13:08] w0rd [13:09] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@200.63.208.226) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:10] lib (i=agon@c-24-61-204-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:10] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [13:10] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@200.63.208.226) joined ##slackware. [13:12] http://error-nerds.com/how-to-fix/?id=Urchlays%20head [13:12] -_- [13:12] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:12] srecko (n=srecko@78-1-147-226.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [13:13] :) [13:13] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:13] ViN86: is that a parody of chis pirishitilol [13:13] chris* [13:13] im going insane here [13:14] idk who that is... [13:14] lol [13:14] good [13:14] WTF stops a "host" lookup working if a dig lookup works fine?! [13:14] i just saw the URL and the id variable so i went with it lol [13:15] xchatter (n=xchatter@59.94.178.210) left irc: Client Quit [13:15] type specification? [13:15] Zordrak: eh, bad /etc/nsswitch.conf maybe? (grasping at straws, actually. I bet you don't use NIS and never touched nsswitch.conf) [13:15] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) joined ##slackware. [13:16] neither should use nsswitch.conf [13:17] does host -a work? does dig -t A ? [13:17] Urchlay: this lloks like a bind issue [13:17] ns0 gives nxdomain for my cnames.. but returns the mx A ok :( [13:18] even tho ns1 and ns2 (slaves) are fine [13:18] mancha: you're right. But I was under the impression that normal DNS lookups (gethostbyname() calls) do use it [13:19] OHFFS [13:19] figured it out? [13:19] I commented out the A the CNAMES point to [13:19] d'oh! [13:20] dangling canonical names, ftw [13:20] ffs... still not workingf [13:21] hi, when I open Konsole sometimes its bash-3.1$, is there a command to be me@machine:~$ ? [13:21] powtrix: sure. [13:22] export PS1="\u@\h:\w\$ " [13:22] hm ;) [13:22] mine's \h:\#|\d \t\n\u|\w$ [13:22] ugh [13:22] thank you [13:22] ns0 isnt its own primary ns [13:23] powtrix: somewhere in the Konsole settings/preferences/options, there will be a checkbox to run the shell as a login shell. Turn that on. [13:23] bah - it was that the boot disk wasn't the first sata device =S [13:23] Action: theblackbox rescued by tias once again [13:23] Urch you're right about that, those two deal directly opening cockets to your DNS servers (or specificied at cl) [13:23] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [13:24] so they won't probe your switching prefs. socket not cocket. freud would have a field day there... [13:24] pupiteee (n=p@79.101.185.144) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:24] it is enabled, when my box is busy *sometimes* it opens as bash-3.1$, normally its me@machine:~$ [13:25] it depends on whther your bash is interactive or login, i am sure [13:25] mancha: yah, for some reason, I thought dig was dealing directly with sockets, but host was doing a regular lookup (but strace shows I was wrong) [13:25] mancha: Freud was a pervert anyway :) [13:25] and a coke addict..he was a man ahead of his times! [13:27] powtrix: that... is really weird. Does it only happen in Konsole? (try setting up a launcher to run "xterm -ls" and another to run "rxvt -ls", see if they do the same thing when system's under load) [13:27] lagann_ (i=agon@c-24-61-204-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [13:27] argh.. screw you and your internal DNS cache firefox! [13:27] if it turns out to only be Konsole, then it's a KDE problem... if they all do it, it's probably bash itself (though I can't think of what would cause it) [13:28] hm normal PS1 [13:28] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.12.209) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:28] powtrix: what version of KDE? (I was having that issue before I started using 4.3) [13:28] srecko (n=srecko@78-1-147-226.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left ##slackware. [13:29] I forget what I did to fix it though lol [13:29] $ echo $PS1 [13:29] \[\033[0;34m\]<\[\033[0;37m\]\u\[\033[0;36m\]@\h:\[\033[0;35m\]\w\[\033[0;34m\]>\[\033[0;32m\]\[\033[1;32m\]$\[\033[0m\] [13:29] im using current, 4.2.4 [13:32] shyko (n=shyko@201-76-78-119.flash.tv.br) joined ##slackware. [13:33] i feel boring now i have zero colors in my prompt [13:33] hi folks! [13:34] mancha: the colors actually solve a real problem for me. Every machine I use has a different set of colors, which helps prevent me typing "reboot" in the ssh session to the server when I meant to reboot my laptop (or whatever) [13:34] aha, color coding things like that dates back to putting colors on the edges of manila folders for fast processing [13:34] Urchlay, greetings [13:35] Urchlay, Ive read the Dick stuff [13:35] without the colors, the hostnames are still in the prompt, but for some reason my eyes ignore them... the colors sorta provide the instinctive reaction [13:35] Urchlay, ubik was kinda weird [13:35] slackytude: only "kinda" weird? not "very" weird? :) [13:36] Urchlay, well, Im still not sure what exactly is happening in the book [13:36] all I know its weird [13:36] mancha: probably goes back further than that. Caveman uses a red club for fighting other cavemen, a blue one for hunting, and a green one for whacking a woman over the head so he can drag her back to the cave :) [13:36] Blade Runner was fine as well [13:36] the new kernel vulnerability was discussed here yet? [13:36] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@clsm-207-7-189-81-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [13:37] all this talk of shell coloring makes me want to finish up the program that someone gave me the idea for one day when I was bored lol [13:37] slackytude: They reprinted "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" as "Blade Runner", or is it a different book? [13:37] Urchlay, just a reprint [13:37] cool [13:37] To profit from the name, Id say [13:37] lot of stuff going on in the book that never made it into the movie [13:37] Its quite simliar in the beginning I thought [13:38] yeah, it breaks away from the film version in the first chapters [13:38] bigpaws__ (n=bigpaws@clsm-207-7-189-81-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [13:38] and all this bussines with that religious dude [13:39] I like the bit where he gets arrested by another blade runner & taken to a police station he's never heard of, and they tell him he's a replicant [13:39] yeah, Mercerism [13:39] yeah, great twist [13:39] pupiteee (n=p@79.101.90.15) joined ##slackware. [13:39] I was also somewhat confused with the replicants [13:39] unlike the film, they are really pictured as bad guys, lacking empathy [13:39] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@clsm-207-7-189-81-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:39] bigpaws__ (n=bigpaws@clsm-207-7-189-81-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:40] yeah [13:40] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:40] anyway, Ithink Im gonna buy some more Dick [13:40] eh, Phillip K. Dick that is [13:40] we were just talking about Freudian slips a minute ago... [13:41] well, its his name [13:41] oh, that reminds me [13:41] in that book in the afterword there was this story about a P.K. roboter, you heard about it? [13:41] yah [13:41] brb [13:41] funny stuffy [13:42] Skaperen (n=phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:42] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) joined ##slackware. [13:42] samuelig (n=samuelig@52.pool85-57-143.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [13:43] if anyone wants to nuke italy -- go ahead [13:43] so tired of the shitty internet here [13:43] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-hbbhzlhwyivyibmg) left irc: [13:43] ,if Italy is nuked, how will the Pope get his pizza? [13:44] Digiorno [13:44] phillipsm (n=matt@173-20-30-158.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Connection timed out [13:45] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [13:45] alphad (n=quassel@41.189.34.89) joined ##slackware. [13:47] alphad (n=quassel@41.189.34.89) left irc: "No Ping reply in 90 seconds." [13:48] he'll eat his balls [13:50] alphad (n=quassel@41.189.34.89) joined ##slackware. [13:51] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-akyyqcmxnpewbodp) joined ##slackware. [13:52] Elektro (n=Elektro@90.85-84-206.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:53] did someone say somethin about buyin dick? [13:53] ye gods [13:53] -_- [13:54] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@clsm-207-7-189-81-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [13:54] alphad (n=quassel@41.189.34.89) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:55] alphad (n=quassel@41.189.34.89) joined ##slackware. [13:56] rhys (n=rhys@dialup-4.253.113.55.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) left ##slackware. [13:57] it'd be great if you guys used mIRC colors :P [13:58] eh, not really, no [13:58] alphad (n=quassel@41.189.34.89) left irc: Client Quit [13:59] alphad (n=quassel@41.189.34.89) joined ##slackware. [14:00] has anyone built a program called consolekit? [14:00] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p54A75104.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:00] alphad (n=quassel@41.189.34.89) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:05] Polarbrod (n=pal@lgh7.fornfyndet.se) left irc: Client Quit [14:07] slackytude2, Dick++ good [14:07] dive, good read [14:07] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC3105E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [14:07] spotted? [14:07] y0 dive [14:08] hi fire|bird [14:08] how goes it [14:08] dive: goes excellent, thanks. you? [14:08] dakarn (n=skas@83.225.203.2) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:08] fire|bird, getting to grips with Ion3 :-) [14:08] sup dive.. went to mess with that script you showed me last night and I guess they've changed their site since the last time I had used my script.. even clive is borked now :( [14:09] made a funky menu and changed some binds that messed up irssi, but seems good now [14:09] dive: Remember the airshow I went to in July, well, yesterday one of the pilots I seen at that show was killed in a plane crash, along with a 12 year old boy that was with him. [14:09] sad [14:09] very [14:10] dive: He was part of the group of 4 pilots that flew together, they use homebuilt planes that run on ethanol. [14:10] he was 28 years old [14:10] the good die young [14:10] damn >.. [14:10] >.> [14:11] dive: yeah, unfortunately so. [14:11] fire|bird: ahaha [14:11] I guess he was doing some stunts and then something on the plane failed. [14:11] winter: you're laughing why? [14:11] heya Necos [14:11] idk [14:11] well, there is a plus side as well. the good die young, but us bastards get old [14:12] lol [14:12] friends wife just died - she had breast cancer and the usual treatment of chemo, then they got married out of the blue and 2 months later she died of a brain haemorage [14:12] probably for the lulz [14:12] and the meek shal inherit the earth. the suckers! [14:12] fire|bird: homebuilt planes? when was this? [14:12] s/meek/geek [14:12] dive: wow, that's sad as well. You just never know what may happen each day. [14:13] agentc0re|work: This crash happened yesterday. I seen this group perform at the airshow July 25th [14:13] ain't that some shit >.> [14:13] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A74F70.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:13] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:13] hmmz how about a small competition [14:13] agentc0re|work: yeah, they build the planes themselves and change them to run on ethanol. [14:13] fire|bird: I wonder, i have an old 82 Virago 750CC engine. Think i could use it to make a homebuilt plane? :D [14:14] agentc0re|work: haha, not sure, you could give it a shot. :P [14:14] agentc0re|work: you gonna skydive out of it while the wife pilots it? :P [14:14] fire|bird: is ethanol supposed to be more efficient or cheap? [14:14] fire|bird: sure, why not? :D [14:14] agentc0re|work: yes on both accounts, not to mention those planes are really quiet. [14:15] agentc0re|work: haha, well, as long as she can fly, go for it. :P [14:18] Action: fire|bird whistles to break the silence. [14:18] the meek shall inherit the earth, because those of us with a bit of drive & willpower shall inherit the stars instead [14:19] y0 Urchlay [14:19] yes, let the meek deal with the broken ruins [14:19] yo, laughingstock|anarchic [14:19] eh, fire|bird [14:20] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [14:20] haha [14:20] pupiteee (n=p@79.101.90.15) left irc: "Leaving." [14:21] eviltux (i=eviltux@eviltux.com.mx) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:21] roorah (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [14:22] sry for that brake, i was pissing at my leg [14:22] well the competition is to [14:23] make a comic of that picture http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/7447/busterjangleshotwithper.jpg [14:23] Mithenks (n=eymerich@host48-156-dynamic.53-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:23] hm. [14:24] the winner gets the eifel tower and half of the uruguay [14:24] anyone remember me in here messing with patching grep to fix the very slow utf-8 performance? [14:24] Urchlay, yes [14:24] winter, that looks like a pretty big boom [14:24] news? [14:24] dive: did you also patch your grep? [14:25] no not yet [14:25] don't have patch [14:25] winter, what is it? [14:25] what is what [14:25] looks too small to be nuclear [14:25] the explosion [14:25] OK, then try this, see what you get: echo FOO | LANG="en_US.UTF-8" grep -i foo [14:26] it had to be some kiloton kind of bomb [14:26] you *should* get FOO as output. My patched version gives no output (but if I set LANG=en_US or LANG=C, it's fine) [14:26] Urchlay, FOO [14:26] OK, so the patch causes -i to stop working. Great. [14:26] damn [14:26] James____ (n=benjsh@h140n1-m-sp-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:27] got a link to it and I could have a go? [14:27] Hi, I installed the wicd and on every startup I get in X Run as root -Wicd needs to acces... can i get this automatic so it dont pop up every time [14:27] winter, looks more like an areosol bomb to me [14:27] James____: You need to add your user to the netdev group iirc [14:27] at the mo I'm just running my scripts like 'LC_ALL=en_US foobar' [14:27] one day we will have utf8 working across the board [14:28] dive: I grabbed the patches from http://packages.debian.org/sid/grep [14:28] until then it seems like a patchwork of band-aids left and right [14:29] hi [14:29] dive: on that page is a ".diff.gz" download link. That's a patch to the grep source, which creates a debian/patches directory inside the grep source dir. In debian/patches you will find the actual patches. I really hate these recursive diffs, but that's how they do it... [14:29] Dominian: ? [14:29] y0 fredoslack [14:29] Urchlay, ok [14:29] hi, slackytude2 [14:29] Mithenks (n=eymerich@host48-156-dynamic.53-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:30] dive: the patch filenames start with numbers, I applied all the 6* ones to my grep source [14:31] Nigromante (n=1034E5CF@80.35.167.197) joined ##slackware. [14:31] hi [14:31] anyone suffering internet problems? [14:31] heh [14:31] the 03-dlopen-pcre.patch would have no effect on Slackware if you use Pat's grep.SlackBuild, since that has --disable-pcre [14:31] josefig (n=josefig@201.164.90.183) joined ##slackware. [14:31] any european here? [14:31] I can't start my X [14:32] define european [14:32] the 70 and 80 patches only affect the man pages. Not sure whether 55-bigfile.patch does anything useful [14:32] never mind, some sites abroad were not reachable for me, but it seems the problem is getting solved [14:33] Urchlay, the 66-match_icase.patch is commented to fix -i for utf8 [14:34] dive: yeah, but it appears that -i already worked in utf8 (seriously, slackware's default grep handles that fine for me) [14:34] what's the command other than usermod to modify a user's group membership? [14:35] Necos: vigr (or just edit /etc/group with your favorite editor) [14:35] gpasswd [14:35] that's what i was looking for... gpasswd [14:35] Action: slackytude2 bows [14:36] Action: Necos thanks slackytude2 [14:36] :P [14:36] dive: getting rid of the 66 patch doesn't fix it [14:36] how do i add a user to netdev group? [14:37] you only need netdev if you're on -current [14:37] gpasswd -a USER GROUP [14:37] James see the answer to Necos' question [14:37] already read the manpage (gpasswd -a tessai plugdev) [14:37] don't bother if you aren't on -current - netdev won't exist [14:38] slackware-- (n=slackwar@85.96.36.225) joined ##slackware. [14:38] Dominian: can you help how i add my user to the netdev group? [14:38] James____, gpasswd -a USER netdev -_- [14:38] he's on slackware 12.1, netdev is useless [14:38] it says unknown group netdev [14:38] James____, well, what thrice` said [14:39] James____, what are you trying to do? [14:39] so how can i otherwise get rid of the run as root wicd needs ... popup [14:39] dive: apparently the earlier patches in the 6* series break -i for utf8, but you can't just get rid of them because the later patches depend on them. Blah. This is going to require actual thought to fix, I guess [14:39] everytime i start x i get this annoying Run as root - Wicd needs to access your computers network cards box [14:39] James____, huh? [14:39] never heard of that [14:39] groupadd netdev; gpasswd -a user netdev [14:40] James____, make rc.wicd executable? [14:40] Urchlay, I'm trying to use 64 patch but it doesn't work [14:40] mancha, what for? [14:40] James____, are you executing wicd in X for some reason? [14:40] slackytude, i don't ask philosophical questions, he seems determined to add a user to "netdev" i provide the toolz [14:41] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@200.63.208.226) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:41] there is no point in adding a netdev group if the rules in slackware don't give the device such ownership [14:41] in slackware 12.1* [14:42] dive: the 64 patch applies for me, without the others... but it doesn't fix the problem [14:43] mancha: i tried that but same popup after reboot [14:43] doesn;t apply here properly. Patches search.c and then stops at a missing header. [14:44] weird [14:44] what grep source version are you using? [14:44] James____, are you executing wicd in X for some reason? [14:44] same as on the page - 2.5.4 [14:44] Tirili (n=opera@dslc-082-083-153-223.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:44] James, its been said now too many times to be honest, that netdev is not appropriate for the default 12.1 dbus platform [14:44] yeah, me too [14:44] dowmloaded orig source [14:45] Tirili (n=opera@dslc-082-083-153-223.pools.arcor-ip.net) left ##slackware. [14:45] so unless you've upgraded the message bus or you're running a newer version your issue lies elsewhere [14:45] Urchlay, how/where are you applying from? [14:45] so how can I get rid of the popup [14:45] i just start X and I get it [14:45] slackytude2: no i just start it and it comes [14:45] James____, what did you do? [14:45] James____: you have rebooted since? [14:45] did you follow the wicd instructions? [14:45] yes have rebooted [14:45] and you are on slackware 12.1? [14:46] Urchlay, I tried 'patch -p1 < debian/pahtches/64...' that didn't work so I cp'd it to top level and did the same. Same error. [14:46] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-168-78-251.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:47] dive: I copied the slackware64-current/source/a/grep/ dir to my home directory, modified the grep.SlackBuild, like so: http://dpaste.com/81796/ [14:47] what the hell? udev is a strange beast [14:47] (search for the string "bkw" to find my changes) [14:48] James____, does ps aux | grep wcid return the daemon process? [14:48] Mithenks (n=eymerich@host48-156-dynamic.53-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [14:48] slackware- (n=slackwar@78.184.41.246) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:48] oh, and I create a patches directory in there and copy into it the patches I want, from debian's stuff [14:48] Urchlay: try maybe: "for j in $CWD/patches/*.diff; do patch -p1 < $j; done" [14:48] if i have a udev rule at 99, shouldn't that be the last one run? [14:49] are you sure they apply with -p1 > [14:49] er, p1 * [14:49] James____: run this: cat /etc/*-version [14:49] jonsmith1982: yes [14:49] thrice`: eh, the files are named *.patch, and yah they do apply. I'm not trying to debug my slackbuild (it works), but the resulting binary that it builds (which doesn't) [14:49] fau__ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [14:50] are thge deb patches against the same grep you're patching (version wise)? [14:50] i tried to add the group netdev /etc/group says : netdev:x:102:admin [14:50] Urchlay: actually, easier, do: "for j in $CWD/patches/*.patch; do patch -Np1 -i $j; done" [14:50] the netdev group should have no effect [14:50] mancha: yah. Debian unstable and Slack-current both use 2.5.4 [14:50] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:51] oh, nevermind Urchlay. just read your comment :> [14:51] it is very suprising that a patch set breaks the app, or is it breaking a seldom used grep feature? [14:51] mancha: -i isn't what I'd called seldom used [14:51] oh wow, case insenitivity out th window? [14:51] James____: run "cat /etc/*-version" [14:51] mancha: it only breaks it when LANG is set to any UTF-8 locale [14:52] interesting [14:52] Nigromante (n=1034E5CF@80.35.167.197) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:52] mancha: the *original* issue I was trying to fix with these patches: Slackware's grep is *painfully* slow when you use it with a UTF-8 locale (though it does at least work correctly) [14:53] mancha: these patches speed it up, something like 100x faster, but of course fast-and-broken isn't what I want [14:54] tooly (n=tooly@e178158251.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [14:54] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:54] going to take some trial and error find which patch depends on which I think [14:54] thrice`: it is slackware 12.1 i know that already [14:55] James____: ok, and pastebin your "cat /var/log/packages/wicd*" [14:55] dive: I had already found out that the critical ones (to fix the speed problem) are 64 and 65... but by themselves, they cause the -i breakage too (and adding 66 doesn't help) [14:55] how can i make the wicd-client not automatically start? [14:56] dngr (n=dngr@n11649134204.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [14:56] James____, kde? [14:56] the wicd-client doesnt need root [14:57] where are the patches? [14:57] mancha: http://packages.debian.org/sid/grep [14:57] also there's a set of patches from Fedora, I found 'em before but haven't looked for them again today [14:58] mancha: to see the original problem I'm trying to fix: [14:58] time LANG=C grep ^.... /usr/share/dict/words >/dev/null # runs damn near instantly [14:58] time LANG=en_US.UTF-8 grep ^.... /usr/share/dict/words >/dev/null # takes something like 50 seconds on my box [14:59] indeed [14:59] josefig (n=josefig@201.164.90.183) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [14:59] not to mention cpu hogging [14:59] aye [14:59] yay for ascii [15:00] if you use a grep binary with debian's patches, it takes something like 1.5 seconds instead (tolerable) [15:00] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.87.223) joined ##slackware. [15:00] volkerdi (i=3321@connie.slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [15:00] irrelevant but which package has /usr/share/dict/words? [15:00] but I've just found out my patched binary can't do -i [15:00] well if i type the root password in the wicd box then it all works [15:00] sahko: bsd-games [15:00] it is just annoying to get the box on every startup [15:00] ah [15:00] sahko: it's the word list for the Hangman game [15:00] James____, which desktop are you running? [15:01] sahko: a couple weeks ago, for some reason, I was searching it for 4-letter words (literally words with 4 letters), and ran into the grep problem then [15:02] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [15:02] kde [15:02] if i delete the .wicd in my home dir then it dont start automatic [15:02] does removing the if(iswupper) conditionality fix? [15:02] eviltux (i=eviltux@eviltux.com.mx) joined ##slackware. [15:02] and then after i have started it manually then on next reboot i get the box [15:03] James____, close wicd and go into kde menu, look forf sessions and save session. Next time you startx it shouldn't run the gui. [15:04] mancha: where, lines 697-698 of src/dfa.c? [15:04] i have no access to the source linenum since just looking at diff nd too lazy to conpute offsets, its in patch 64 [15:04] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:04] circa 134 [15:04] mancha, which is the one I'm having problems applying [15:05] that part of the patch is showing code that gets removed (lines are prefix with -) [15:05] eh, wait, patch 64 only has the string swupper on line 82. We looking at the same stuff here? [15:05] oh, d'oh, this is a diff to create the diffs, the leading + threwme off [15:06] right. I'm looking at the 2nd level of diffs [15:06] yeah [15:06] ok you're right it removes the check on iswupper [15:06] the diff-creating diff just confuses and annoys me [15:06] heh [15:06] let me continue to look while i try to answer emails [15:06] a diff that creates a diff? [15:07] Urchlay: Arch uses the 14,15,64-67 patches http://repos.archlinux.org/viewvc.cgi/grep/repos/core-i686/ [15:07] thats kinda perverted [15:07] sahko: OK, thanks [15:07] sahko, good find. That will help I think. [15:07] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:08] damn, i hate when i'm the only one at work... [15:08] eh, hm. The 6* patches in arch look like they might be the same ones... [15:08] Necos, hehe [15:08] Necos, no fun for you! [15:08] oh, new kernel is out. [15:08] my coworker went to get his phone fixed [15:08] kwset (whatever that it) doesn't work with -i it seems (from glancing over the code [15:09] Urchlay: yeah, but the 14 & 15 must be from fedora or something [15:09] they dont seem to be from debian [15:09] who was it that had the link for an intro to udev? [15:09] Necos, http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html ? [15:10] Poesghost (n=poesghos@cpe-075-177-107-011.triad.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:10] that might be it ^^ [15:12] hmmm, I guess I'll be compiling new kernels for 12.2 then. I had 2.6.27.30 ready to go. :-/ [15:12] sahko: agh, is there an easy way to wget all those arch .patch files without checking out the entire repository or manually copy/pasting each file? [15:12] Urchlay, just use grep! oh, wait [15:13] samuelig (n=samuelig@52.pool85-57-143.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:13] Urchlay, those arch patches apply with no problems [15:13] samuelig (n=samuelig@52.pool85-57-143.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [15:13] Urchlay: its an svn repository [15:13] samuelig (n=samuelig@52.pool85-57-143.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:14] sahko: and I've never used SVN (all I know is "like CVS, but different")... so, eh, ...? [15:14] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) left irc: [15:14] Urchlay, still get make error.. [15:14] upyr[emacs] (n=user@194.9.231.203) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:14] Poesghost (n=poesghos@cpe-075-177-107-011.triad.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:14] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.11) joined ##slackware. [15:14] volkerdi: got a minute? [15:14] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) joined ##slackware. [15:14] of course he does, he just said he's compiling kernels ;) [15:15] samuelig (n=samuelig@52.pool85-57-143.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [15:15] Urchlay: wazzup? [15:15] hmmmm [15:15] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:15] volkerdi: ever get a chance to look into the grep weirdness from a couple weeks ago? [15:15] Actually, I said I'm going to have to recompile them. Not compiling them right atm. [15:15] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [15:16] I was just noticing that while lurking here. [15:16] yah, it's most vexing [15:16] What's the issue again? [15:16] samuelig (n=samuelig@52.pool85-57-143.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:16] if LANG=en_US.UTF-8 (or any other valid UTF-8 locale), grep is painfully slow [15:16] Oh... yeah. [15:16] LANG=en_US.UTF-8 grep ^.... /usr/share/dict/words >/dev/null # takes 40+ seconds for me [15:17] That's a typical side effect of UTF8. The same thing happens with sed. [15:17] with LANG=C or LANG=en_US it's practically instant [15:17] eh, sed may slow down some, but nowhere near that bad. [15:17] The sed engine certainly used to slow down that much. [15:18] time LANG=en_US.UTF-8 sed -n '/^..../p' /usr/share/dict/words > /dev/null [15:18] takes no time at all [15:18] Urchlay, those arch patches work fine :-) [15:18] well, 64ms, twice as long as with LANG=C, but nowhere near 40 seconds [15:19] dive: including -i? [15:19] yep [15:19] echo FOO | grep -i foo [15:19] Well, that's not the same test that I'm looking for... it's around here somewhere. I had one that took a couple seconds with sed-2, and didn't finish in hours with sed-3 [15:19] FOO [15:20] I just showed my 14yr old sister KDE 4.3... she wants it instead of windows lol [15:20] quasar: \o/ :) [15:20] quasar, give her TWM then :-) [15:20] heh [15:20] haha [15:20] dammit, I just download the logs for all the patches, instead of the patches themselves. Grr. [15:21] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:21] Urchlay: just a fyi, grep -P is still nice and fast for that [15:21] I was just talking about twm within the last few minutes... laughing about a friend who still uses it [15:21] all hail [15:21] Urchlay: http://www.archlinux.org/svn/ [15:21] the king is here [15:21] the last good window manager [15:21] Action: fred had worse than 'slow' with sed, can't remember what the data was [15:21] fvwm was ok for a bit then they lost touch with reality [15:21] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [15:21] en_GB: < 1s, perfectly fine [15:21] volkerdi, I just started playing with Ion3 today. Getting the hang of it now. [15:21] en_GB.UTF-8: after 20 minutes, that sed process was using 6GB of RAM [15:23] so dive/Urch, the verdict is the arch patches work and don't break functionaity? [15:23] Elektro (n=Elektro@90.85-84-206.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [15:23] volkerdi: so I guess my dumb question is, would you ever ship a patched grep with Slackware, if someone comes up with a correctly-working set of patches? (because the upstream maintainer has known about the UTF-8 problem since 2004 and hasn't fixed it, not even in CVS) [15:23] mancha: I'm just now building with the arch patches, hangonaminit [15:23] Urchlay: bother upstream some more [15:23] mancha, they seem ok, yes. I've only tried -i with en_US and UTF-8 [15:24] dive: when she gets a computer I will :) [15:24] Poesghost (n=poesghos@cpe-075-177-107-011.triad.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:24] quasar, ah that might be useful then [15:24] I found the sed bench.sh from before, and now it runs in 0m0.686s. So the sed engine has been fixed. [15:24] volkerdi: OK, I will... I bet you $5 that the answer I get is "we haven't fixed it because all major vendors are shipping it with their own fixes" or similar [15:25] ViN_ (n=ViN86@cpe-72-228-59-183.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:25] That's not a valid excuse, IMO. [15:25] oh, I agree [15:25] like major being a bunch of patches that don't apply and one we've found that does? [15:25] ViN86 (i=ViN86@VPN-ONE-THIRTY-FIVE.MIT.EDU) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:25] sure, but those who suffer from not patching are users, not upstream [15:25] or some that apply and don't work [15:25] but if that's what they tell me, what do I respond with? I'm a nobody with no reputation, why should they listen to me? [15:26] and it's not been field tested, all we know is it seems to not break the one's that deb breaks which Urch found by accident [15:26] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:26] mancha, agree it could use some proper testing [15:26] Someone should fork it, then. The alternative presented here seems to be that I should fork it. [15:26] dive: OK, yah, the arch patches do seem to fix both the speed problem and the -i mess... for the specific cases I tested with [15:26] Urchlay, show them your picture, that should teach em some respect [15:27] volkerdi: ouch! No, I meant, if I get no response, maybe you should go and bother them (because you're not a nobody, they might pay attention to you) [15:27] as long as it has -ng, it'll take off [15:27] hehehe [15:27] grep, the next generation.... so long as there's never a "Grep: Voyager" [15:27] I am another nobody to upstream [15:28] well bummer [15:28] By the way, I'm sure you'll all familiar by now with the kernel tuning that changes the minimum mmap page, right? [15:29] eh? not I [15:29] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:29] know of it, not the specifics how to [15:29] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:29] volkerdi, you talking about the exploit? [15:29] Even though it's unlikely to help anyone here, I wrote a package to set mmap_min_addr to 4096, if anyone cares to test it out [15:29] slackytude2: yes [15:29] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:30] hmmm, if udev doesn't read from /lib/udev/rules.d, why is it even there? [15:30] hrr, the fix is just to echo 4096 > /some/proc/file on a running system? or does it need a recompiled kernel? [15:30] It changes the setting, and then adds it to /etc/sysctl.conf. And add an init script where you can change the default to whatever you like. [15:30] can anyone tell me if there is a bug, i log out of kde 3.5 and it just locks, i've tried to use halt and shutdown but it just locks too, looks like it is going to power off but the monitor on my laptop stays on, i know poweroff works if i can kill x and return to just a prompt [15:30] volkerdi, CONFIG_SECURITY_DEFAULT_MMAP_MIN_ADDR=4096 I take it? [15:30] volkerdi: package is in 12.2/patches? [15:30] echo 4096 > proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr [15:31] ok [15:31] I was playing with that exploit code in a vm [15:31] oh, thats an easy fix [15:31] But yes, I have new kernels for -current with CONFIG_SECURITY_DEFAULT_MMAP_MIN_ADDR=4096 as well as the patch for sendpage. [15:31] Necos, it does [15:31] And I'll be making 12.2 ones ASAP if there's no newer issue with the 2.6.27.x series. [15:32] Anyway, here's the package: [15:32] http://slackware.com:/~volkerdi/private/kernel-mmap_min_addr-4096-noarch-1.tgz [15:32] The thing about just setting mmap_min_addr is that it's not 100% effective. Close, but not completely. [15:32] I really think you should enable directory listing on private/ ;) [15:32] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [15:33] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:33] it's like looking at a playboy centerfold while it's still folded [15:33] hrr, using sysctl to set it, isn't 100% effective? or you mean baking it into the kernel isn't 100% effective? [15:33] If sendpage isn't patched, you can still use the bug to transfer execution to the 0 page, and by some random chance there could be something there that might crash the kernel. [15:33] ah [15:33] I've not run into that myself, but it's possible. [15:34] The exploit floating around won't even proceed unless it succeeds in mapping page 0. [15:34] so does it turn a potential exploit into "just" a potential crash, then? [15:35] It turns a proven exploit into a theoretical crash [15:35] well that's better than it was anyway [15:35] Action: slackytude2 nods [15:35] ah, now my blackberry contacts are in... i just had the udev info in the wrong place [15:36] Well, I should run. Gotta recompile 12.2 kernels and get this stuff out. [15:36] volkerdi: one question [15:36] sure [15:37] volkerdi: your package uses /etc/rc.d/init.d, redhat-style... is that a sign of things to come in future releases? [15:37] not really [15:38] Poesghost (n=poesghos@cpe-075-177-107-011.triad.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:38] Mithenks (n=eymerich@host48-156-dynamic.53-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:38] It's quick-and-dirty(tm)... easy way to get it in the init without patching rc.S or something. [15:38] good deal [15:38] volkerdi, bye [15:38] just curious really [15:38] the SysV compat stuff is kinda annoying... i got way too used to typing /etc/rc. :( [15:38] upyr[ema` (n=user@79.174.35.11) joined ##slackware. [15:38] take care volkerdi [15:38] thanks [15:38] Oh [15:39] adios, volkerdi, and thanks [15:39] other_rafa (i=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) joined ##slackware. [15:39] feel free to pass that package to anyone who might be helped, or would be willing to test [15:39] yeah thanks for the package [15:39] if I don't get negative feedback, it'll be announced later [15:39] anyone have a link to the cve article? [15:40] linXea (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:40] http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2009-2692 [15:40] shouldn't be difficult to find ;) was a pretty big deal [15:40] ...out [15:40] volkerdi (i=3321@connie.slackware.com) left irc: "leaving" [15:41] volkerdi has left the building [15:41] hmmmm [15:41] didn't realize he actually came in here from time to time :P [15:42] well that's two issues fixed in one night [15:42] Urchlay, next step? Make a package perhaps and test to destruction? [15:42] Necos: PM? [15:43] what's up? [15:43] well I must go out for supplies. Will be back to compile kernels and grep in a bit hopefully. [15:43] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [15:44] Urchlay, I haven't had a good look at those patches but it (hopefully) wouldn't be too hard to see what's affected [15:45] anyway biab [15:45] hmmm, if you don't have local access to the machine, this exploit can't go anywhere it seems [15:45] theblackslab (n=theblack@94-194-29-150.zone8.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:45] Necos: it's good as a payload for a user priv. remote [15:46] Mithenks (n=eymerich@host48-156-dynamic.53-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [15:46] other_rafa (i=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) left irc: "Leaving" [15:46] true [15:46] geoff_k (n=geoff@cpc2-asht4-0-0-cust822.asfd.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [15:46] i'll be patching my machines regardless [15:46] other_rafa (i=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) joined ##slackware. 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[15:52] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:52] or "init 0" as root? [15:52] yeah jeev? [15:53] i'm as happy as a plum... got my blackberry sync'd in kontact ^_^ [15:53] theblackslab (n=theblack@94-194-29-150.zone8.bethere.co.uk) left ##slackware. [15:53] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-akyyqcmxnpewbodp) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:54] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.11) left irc: No route to host [15:54] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [15:54] skepsi (n=xxxx@94.127.129.34) joined ##slackware. [15:54] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ihldmnvkwichnncb) joined ##slackware. [15:55] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:55] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:56] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:56] the best way to install my internet is in the installation of slackware? because my internet doesn't work. [15:56] what's not working? [15:57] stybla_ (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [15:57] The whole Internet comes on disk1 [15:57] Necos my internet [15:57] stybla (n=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:57] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ihldmnvkwichnncb) left irc: Client Quit [15:57] Necos, why would anyone allow you to have a blackberry [15:58] because i bought the damn thing :P [15:58] i thought gay people preferred iphones [15:58] well, considering that i'm not gay, and that i hate iphones (or touch screens in general)... i decided to get a blackberry [15:59] uh huh! [15:59] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-43-153.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:59] I detest glib more and more everyday [15:59] and now that i have sync on my linux desktop, i'm as happy as can be [16:00] Polarbrod (n=pal@lgh7.fornfyndet.se) joined ##slackware. [16:00] Necos, how do you sync? [16:00] Necos checked the option "leave mail on the server for x days [16:00] " [16:00] barry + opensync + kontact (just got it set up) [16:00] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-sevwbowgayhjxscl) joined ##slackware. [16:00] and he calls it syncing ;D [16:00] aceofspades19: I've used glib for something useful before, glad it was there (I didn't want to write my own hashtable and sort algorithms) [16:00] skepsi (n=xxxx@94.127.129.34) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:00] anybody help me to install my internet? [16:01] wow [16:01] what is your internet? [16:01] Necos, barry is good? [16:01] elkng (n=wnb@gprs-78-159.vntc.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:01] download the internet and then you wont need it anymore [16:01] Urchlay: #define char gchar [16:01] I rest my case [16:01] if you have a newer BB, you need to get barry out of GIT [16:01] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:01] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@212.200.213.162) left irc: "Leaving" [16:01] the vendor ids have been updated [16:02] but yeah, works fine with the proper udev rules [16:02] Necos ppp , but i try type pppoe-start [16:02] i just had to figure that shit out lol [16:02] #define char some-longer-yet-slightly-less-usefull-alternative [16:03] slackytude2: thats about it [16:03] #define { BEGIN #define } END [16:03] aceofspades19: yeah, that's kinda lame [16:03] i'm not going to work today [16:03] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [16:03] Hey nix_chix0r [16:03] hey nix_chix0r ^_^v [16:03] Urchlay: why did they have to redefine all the names of the standard c types? [16:03] wait, is that what it does, or the other way around? [16:03] the case of the mondays won't get me that's for sure [16:03] hi fire|bird Necos [16:03] elkng (n=wnb@gprs-78-159.vntc.ru) left irc: "leaving" [16:04] #define gchar char <--- not that instead? [16:04] FOX redefines them as well [16:04] y0 nix_chix0r [16:04] nix_chix0r: How's it going? [16:04] I think it has to do with cross-platform accountability [16:04] i'm a month ahead of my work and i have a headache so i'm not gona go in today plus the baby is hella constipated and can't poop so i gota juice it out of him [16:04] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "cliente :~" [16:04] Urchlay: oh that may be it [16:04] redefining the language's built-in keywords definitely counts as bletcherous and evil [16:04] nix_chix0r: haha, sounds like a fun day then. :P [16:05] but defining your own (like #define gchar char) isn't really evil (might be misguided or even dumb though) [16:05] if that don't work i was told to go in with a qtip ahahahahah [16:05] Urchlay, ugh, Ive seen C code were some dude used macros to use BEGIN and END for {, ]. that was evil [16:05] he would hate me for that [16:05] nix_chix0r: OUCH :P [16:05] Urchlay: http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/stable/glib-Basic-Types.html [16:05] slackytude2: original bourne shell source was written that way, plus a bunch of other similar macros [16:05] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [16:05] slackytude2: barry is kind of a spoiled bitch tho... it runs all commands in raw access mode, so you need to modify udev to allow rw for non-root users [16:06] aceofspades19: those are typedefs though. Not evil (maybe pointless) [16:06] Urchlay, oh, thanks for that bit of historical knowledge. I may never use the shell without thinking about it [16:06] Urchlay: extremely pointless [16:06] as in a waste of time [16:06] rarrrgh. crosscompilers are hard to make. [16:06] aceofspades19: the gint8 gint16 guint8 etc stuff is actually useful though [16:06] Necos, thats ok [16:07] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-sevwbowgayhjxscl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:07] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [16:07] Urchlay: did they really have to make a gchar though? [16:07] or a gint? [16:07] it was just a matter of using lsusb to get the right product id and map it in udev [16:07] nix_chix0r: If you had to do that, the poor little guy would have nightmares. :P [16:07] gchar, gint, gshort are pointless (that web page says thaey are included "for completeness") [16:07] gboolean, to me, is kinda pointless. I've never had a problem with "zero is false, all else is true" [16:08] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-nrhouwryzftsorzu) joined ##slackware. [16:08] Necos, udev can be nice [16:08] Urchlay: C99 even has bools [16:09] Necos do you think it's better configure my internet in the installation of slack? [16:09] about the only excuse I can think of for gint: "Corresponds to the standard C int type. Values of this type can range from G_MININT to G_MAXINT. ", I suppose G_MININT and G_MAXINT are useful if you were dealing with platforms that don't define their own MAXINT MININT constants [16:10] phzin: i'm not even sure if the installer has an option to setup ppoe [16:10] Urchlay: thats true [16:10] *pppoe [16:10] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-75-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [16:10] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [16:10] humm.. there is. [16:10] we're spoiled since i believe MAX/MININT are defined in linux >.> [16:11] Urchlay: but how many platforms have MAX/MININT not defined? [16:11] but, eh, a platform that's so deficient as to lack MAXINT is probably proprietary as hell and targetted to some weird little embedded device, so glib probably wouldn't compile or else would be too bloated... [16:11] Urchlay: exactly [16:11] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:12] phzin, it shouldnt matter when you configure it. it matter to configure it correctly [16:12] but it does help with any platform that wants to go off and do wierd things (and not have to worry about gotchas) [16:12] Poesghost (n=poesghos@cpe-075-177-107-011.triad.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:12] one thing I do wish was supported in C: an #ifdef equivalent for typedefs (and yes, I understand why it doesn't exist, I just wish it could exist anyway) [16:13] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:13] slackytude2 oh yeah. thanks. [16:13] why doesn't it? >.> [16:13] huh, there is #ifdef in C [16:13] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:14] Necos: because #ifdef is handled by the preprocessor, not the parser... and only the parser knows about typedefs (they're a feature of the language proper, not the preprocessor) [16:14] jonnor (n=jonnor@li47-115.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [16:14] jonnor (n=jonnor@li47-115.members.linode.com) left ##slackware. [16:15] if you added an iftypedef() function or operator to the language... eh, I don't believe compiled object code carries typedef information, so the compiler couldn't use it on stuff that's defined in another module [16:15] ah, that actually makes sense now that i think about it... i just always took it as "the way it was meant to be" [16:15] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:16] hellburner (n=sfullenw@unaffiliated/hellburner) joined ##slackware. [16:16] does anyone knows if the 2.6.29.x-intel-crash-patch.diff is really needed to rebuild the kernel? [16:17] anyway I've run into trouble porting code that uses its own typedefs to define e.g. Uint16... which conflicts with the system-defined ones (Uint16 is in SDL.h) [16:17] shyko: first off: thjat's kind of a stupid question... it's a security patch, you should _WANT_ it in your kernel [16:17] What's the best way to get red wine out of cotton? This guy: Thermite. [16:18] the intel patch isn't for security, it's for object tearing [16:18] eh, maybe it's just an incomplete question. Maybe the rest is "...if I don't have is affected by the bug?" [16:18] aceofspades19, thats works [16:18] like flash video [16:18] Urchlay: but that's why you have things like gchar? [16:18] brainfart >.<; [16:18] aceofspades19, orbital weapons might do the trick as well [16:18] Necos: gchar doesn't guarantee its size or signedness, it's just another name for char [16:18] i hit the limit of my backscroll... i was looking for Pat's patch [16:18] is there a kernel setup to be run in XEN? [16:18] shyko: if you're on an intel chip (I think 965 chips got it the worst) and 2.6.29.x kernel, then yes. if not, or you've moved on to .30 (where the patch is from), then you don't need it [16:18] for installation? [16:19] http://connie.slackware.com/~volkerdi/private/kernel-mmap_min_addr-4096-noarch-1.tgz [16:19] Uint8 guarantees (or is supposed to) an unsigned 8-bit value [16:19] lib (i=agon@c-24-61-204-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:19] Urchlay: and thats why gchar is useless as hell [16:19] slackytude2: but it doesn't work if you still want the shirt [16:19] aceofspades19, mere details [16:19] thrice`, thanx [16:19] aceofspades19: agreed. I suppose gchar was put in by some OCD type who couldn't stand the lack of perfect symmetry between glib's types and regular C ones? [16:20] slackytude2: ? [16:20] slackytude2: was that directed at me? [16:20] lagann_ (i=agon@c-24-61-204-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:20] oh no, Urchlay i just meant that's why when you do stuff like make your typedefs, you wrap them in a different namespace of sorts [16:20] like how glib did with ghar, etc. [16:20] *gchar [16:20] heaumer, nope [16:20] argh [16:20] Urchlay: I think the glib devs are just on crack myself [16:20] hellburner, nope [16:20] Necos, http://connie.slackware.com/~volkerdi/private/kernel-mmap_min_addr-4096-noarch-1.tgz [16:20] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:21] i got it slackytude2 ^_^ [16:21] Necos: yeah... so by that logic, the SDL types ought to be called s_uint8 or sdl_uint8 or something? That would have made sense if it'd been done from the start (10+ years ago) [16:21] though those pseudo-namespaces tend to make code harder for me to read [16:21] Urchlay: thats why C++ invented namespaces so you don't have to worry about any of this crap [16:22] yeah, and that's why C++ still makes me vomit >.> [16:22] aceofspades19: yeah, but the readability problems are still there [16:22] hellburner, when i have run XEN on slakcware i have just done the 'make world' probably configured grub and a few things. It should build a patched kernel from xen.org not the slackware version [16:22] Urchlay: not really [16:22] hellburner, trying to patch your own xen kernel can be messy and buggy at best from what ive heard [16:23] if you have a junk:: namespace, and code like "if(junk::some_flag && junk::some_other_flag) junk::do_some_junk();" [16:23] James____ (n=benjsh@h140n1-m-sp-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com) left irc: [16:23] that wouldn't become any more or less readable to me if the :: were all replaced with _ [16:23] I'd still hate it [16:23] lol [16:23] Urchlay:thats why they have using junk::someflag [16:24] so if you are using junk::someflag a lot, its more readable [16:24] yeah, but too many kids are being taught that 'using' is evil, and not to use it [16:24] Urchlay: using is only evil in header files [16:24] well, yeah, I suppose it'd be very evil in headers [16:24] kids are taught java and have no clue about C [16:24] / [16:25] shyko_ (n=shyko@201-76-78-119.flash.tv.br) joined ##slackware. [16:25] Urchlay: nothing is evil if used properly [16:25] I remember a java project I worked on once, was full of code like: if(someString.equals(database.DBGlobals.dbcFirstName)) [16:25] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:26] omfg... hungarian notation fail [16:26] there was also a database.DBGlobals.dbcLastName [16:26] why didnt they overload == for string comparsion. the string.equal stuff gets me every time [16:26] they share a 31-character prefix [16:26] ouch [16:26] slackytude2: java doesn't do operator overloading like C++ does [16:26] slackytude2: because operator overloading is evil [16:26] according to java folks [16:26] bah [16:26] ml4711_ (n=morten@0x50a6aad2.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:26] operator overloading is not fun if it's done wrong >.> [16:26] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [16:27] slackytude2: == on two Strings in Java tests whether they are the same object, not whether they contain equal values [16:27] Necos: functions are not fun if they are done wrong [16:27] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@64.53.57.124) joined ##slackware. [16:27] Urchlay, I know [16:27] operators are just special function names [16:27] Urchlay, I usually write it and later discover that I should have used .equak [16:27] and .equal too [16:27] I wish, I *really* wish, that == for objects in Java didn't use that syntax [16:28] exit [16:28] what really screws me up is the autoboxing feature [16:28] I wish it were something like: if(string1.address() == string2.address()) for comparing to see if they're the same instance [16:28] that way == could be used for the *much more common* purpose of comparing for equal values instead [16:28] aceofspades19: true, but my point still stands... if you overloaded an op in another class, and fucked up, you'd render your entire class useless [16:28] ml4711 (n=morten@0x50a5a9d6.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:28] or defined a new op that was overloaded, even... sorry, it's monday [16:29] Necos, maybe so, but String's [16:29] its pretty much basic stuff [16:29] I actually liked autoboxing when I first ran into it [16:29] Necos: thats why you need to think about stuff [16:29] can see where it might lead someone into trouble though [16:29] yeah, but in Java, do people realyl think? :P [16:29] in java I could make .equals() do something else, and it would wreck just as much havoc as overloading == [16:30] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:30] we had a guy who could not, no matter how hard he tried, understand the difference between java's "int" and "Integer" [16:30] >.> [16:31] ml4711_ (n=morten@0x50a6aad2.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [16:31] and he would do crap like: if(someFlag.getBoolean() == true && somethingElse.getBoolean() == true)... [16:31] oh btw, kitchensync is fuggin awesome [16:31] which could have been written: if(someFlag && somethingElse) ... [16:31] he was being pragmatic? >.> [16:32] at first he was writing: if(something.getBoolean() == new Boolean(true)) [16:32] I am not making that up [16:32] ml4711 (n=morten@0x50a6aad2.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:32] he's just being obnoxious for the sake of being obnoxious? lol [16:32] Urchlay: thats because most java programmers have the IQ of george bush [16:32] (where "something" is a Boolean instance) [16:32] aceofspades19: bush would probably at least be smart enough to go "I suck at programming, I better run for president instead" [16:33] heh [16:33] quasar (i=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:34] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [16:34] Necos: this guy just plain didn't understand. I think he thought that, if you took a computer apart, you'd find a box full of little java objects that bounce around and interact with each other [16:35] ewwww [16:35] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:35] quasar (i=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:35] that's bad logic at it's finest [16:35] you want to see something weird in java [16:35] but then I've looked at some semi-recent college textbooks on object oriented programming, and I notice that they stress the object orientation stuff while excluding fundamentals (like, what boolean logic is, in the first place!) [16:35] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/XdyJSU72.html [16:35] run that [16:35] Nick change: quasar -> Guest53957 [16:35] Nick change: Guest53957 -> quasar [16:35] quasar (i=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Killed by douglas.freenode.net (Nick collision) [16:35] brb [16:35] guess what it will do [16:36] _quasar (i=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:36] nothing? :P [16:36] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [16:36] wrong :P [16:36] it will be the same exactly 127 times [16:36] Nick change: _quasar -> quasar [16:37] it will not be the same when j1 and j2 reach 128 [16:37] oh hell, I forgot slackware doesn't have javac by default [16:37] been sitting here trying to compile it by typing "java foo.java" [16:37] thats a java feature by the way [16:37] heh [16:38] there's gcj, but I don't remember how to use it as a javac replacement [16:38] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.59.230.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [16:38] dont ask me, I use eclipse [16:39] eww [16:39] for java [16:39] slackytude2: why does it stop at 128? [16:39] editors that aren't vim are ewwww [16:39] Urchlay, agreed, but writing java needs a java aware autocompletion [16:40] gcj -C foo.java # that works & creates foo.class that can be run with the JRE [16:40] hmm my load in ion3 status bar has change colour with kernel compile [16:40] eh, vim can autocomplete anything you want [16:40] |ib (i=agon@c-24-61-204-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:40] eclipse makes me feel bloated :-( [16:40] antiwire, autoboxing. it sort of caches the first 128 (from 0 - 127) but afterwards the objects difeer [16:40] lib (n=agon@c-24-61-204-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:40] |ib (i=agon@c-24-61-204-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:40] antiwire, cos you test equality of *objects* not the values of the objects [16:40] lib (n=agon@c-24-61-204-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:40] slackytude2: is that a bug or is it ..ah [16:41] objects and not values. [16:41] it's java [16:41] the only thing vim doesn't do that I'd wish it would do, is I can't type blah. and get it to complete *only* the methods/fields of whatever class blah was declared as [16:41] http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=27129 [16:41] google for autoboxing suprises ^-^ [16:41] slackytude2: apparently gcj is bug-compatible with javac, my foo.class does the same thing! [16:42] Urchlay, great stuff, isnt it [16:42] shyko (n=shyko@201-76-78-119.flash.tv.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:42] (either that or it's a runtime bug, not part of the bytecode in the first place) [16:42] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: "reboot" [16:42] oh, sorry, I meant "runtime feature" of course [16:43] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:44] well, my prof showed me that in Operting systems [16:44] for that alone it was worth it [16:44] you got a cool prof [16:44] urgh, brb [16:44] aye, he is cool [16:44] altho we made a java bytecode interpreter in java [16:44] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:44] ugh [16:44] that was kinda evil [16:45] a *long* time ago there was a series of articles on writing a BASIC interpreter in BASIC, for the Atari 800 [16:45] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] I can only imagine your java-in-java interpreter was just as horrid, or worse [16:45] how good is basic at string mangling? [16:46] hideously bad [16:46] lol [16:46] especially back then [16:46] (much as I hate it, visual basic is a massive improvement over the old 8K and 16K interpreters that ran on machines with less than 64K of RAM) [16:47] well, it wasnt too bad. you could write a programm in javaesque code and your programm had to compute it. with virtual addresses, MMU and the lot [16:47] I spent hours debugging the MMU code [16:48] Urchlay, basic on gameboy ^-^ [16:48] fun [16:48] heh [16:48] not really [16:49] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [16:49] last week I wasted half a day porting a vectrex emulator to Linux [16:50] thats a console? [16:50] it was a waste because (a) the emulator doesn't support sound in the first place, and (b) I didn't know MESS already emulates the Vectrex with sound and lots of other features [16:50] yeah, a console with its own built-in vector monitor [16:51] nifty [16:52] other_rafa (i=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) left irc: "Leaving" [16:52] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:52] shyko_ (n=shyko@201-76-78-119.flash.tv.br) left irc: "Leaving" [16:52] cmair (n=cmair@host56-111-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:52] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.87.223) left irc: "Leaving." [16:53] Polarbrod (n=pal@lgh7.fornfyndet.se) left irc: "leaving" [16:54] Nick change: ViN_ -> ViN86 [16:55] nap time for me almost [16:55] I actually have one, it's a pretty medieval-looking piece of hardware [16:55] anyway I gotta get outta here [16:55] BBL [16:57] bye Urchlay [16:57] later Urchlay [16:57] lagann_ (i=agon@c-24-61-204-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [16:57] foot in mouth and head up asshole what you talkin about? [16:57] see ya nix_chix0r , Urchlay [16:57] n8 nix_chix0r [16:58] giuppy (n=giuppy@host84-168-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:58] nini [16:59] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC3105E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Connection timed out [17:00] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:02] wb jonsmith1982 [17:03] ViN_ (i=ViN86@VPN-SIXTY-SIX.MIT.EDU) joined ##slackware. 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[17:09] Pig_Pen, nice [17:09] ViN86 (n=ViN86@cpe-72-228-59-183.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:10] Nick change: ViN86_ -> ViN86 [17:10] john_dee (n=id@93.81.141.88) left irc: "link closed" [17:11] ktos (n=ktos@adfg165.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:13] Bart_S: erm, thanks :) [17:14] evening. [17:14] y0 BP{k} [17:14] slackytude2: howdy :) [17:14] yw haha [17:15] lee555J5 (n=lee@71.91.2.18) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:16] LOL Pig_Pen [17:16] howdy BP{k}, how's it going? [17:17] god, this bitch in our computer lab right now really needs to get laid... [17:17] hear hear [17:17] she's just bitchin at her students >.> [17:18] do your work Necos [17:18] and help her :p [17:20] dios_mio (i=FREELOVE@88.242.166.38) joined ##slackware. [17:21] fire|bird: I am good :) Having a good time here :) [17:21] ltbplinux (n=ltbplinu@187.36.70.146) joined ##slackware. [17:22] necos [17:22] did you see the pic Pig_Pen pasted? [17:23] Netu (i=JungleCa@cs71082.pp.htv.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:24] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: "caindo fora!" [17:24] if anyone is interested in building the patched grep, or just wants a package: http://www.unrealize.co.uk/slackbuilds/12.2/grep/ [17:24] fire|bird: how's you? [17:25] evening BP{k} fire|bird [17:25] BP{k}: Excellent, thanks. The lappy's running great now, except it still has Windows on it. :P [17:25] afternoon dive, how are you? [17:26] I have an eye patch now :/ what else can go wrong :-) [17:26] fire|bird: awesome. :) [17:26] dive: evening. :) [17:26] dive: an eye patch, what happened? [17:26] apart from that all is well, glad you're ok too [17:26] dive: I see you have libtorrent-rasterbar; I've always wondered what the difference between libtorrent and -rasterbar are? [17:26] fire|bird, dunno just some infection I think [17:26] member of the pirate party? [17:26] ah [17:27] dive: hope it gets better. :) [17:27] jeev, no what was it? [17:27] slackytude2: Arrr, indeed he is matey. :P [17:27] thrice`, not sure on the exact details, just they are made by different people with different functionality I guess [17:27] fire|bird, ^-^ [17:27] ah, ok :) [17:28] fire|bird, it's not TIME yet ;-) [17:28] :) [17:28] Necos: 16:08 « Pig_Pen» http://boortz.com/images/2009/05/warnabrother_m.jpg WB? [17:28] one month and 9 days matey [17:28] AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA [17:28] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.59.230.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:28] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:28] Next SubGenius Holiday: September 1 Start of the Holy Month of "Ramalamadingdong" [17:29] also [17:29] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:29] lol [17:29] heya hitest [17:29] hiya fire|bird:) [17:30] Ramadan.. fun [17:31] how are you, fire|bird? [17:31] luceroz (n=luceroz@76.31.194.150) left irc: "leaving" [17:31] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:32] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [17:33] hitest: excellent, thanks. you? [17:34] good to hear, fire|bird:) I am well, ty. [17:34] wow, http://gizmodo.com/5339280/pov-video-of-two-trains-colliding-head+on [17:34] wow, i usually don't defend proprietary stuff, but damn, blackberry os > windows mobile lol [17:36] well, if you're talking about two proprietary products, it's ok i guess. :| [17:36] to say one is better. [17:36] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A74138.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] my coworker has to have his windows mobile phone basically formatted from scratch [17:38] there's a fucking huge spider down stairs. i think i saw it breathing. [17:38] lol what? [17:39] Action: yesyes tries to forget. thinks of ponies and rainbows. [17:39] sprint told him it'll take 2hrs to do the reset [17:39] lol [17:40] kinda sad if ya ask me lol [17:40] sprint is g4y [17:40] which blackberry did you get [17:40] do they need defragging? (chortle) [17:40] win ce is evil [17:40] Action: BP{k} retuns from LQ having seen his daily portion of insanity [17:40] BP{k}, rly, haven't checked for a few hours [17:41] dive: just read about SlackHammer. ;) [17:42] it's kind of amusing reading it ;) [17:42] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:42] yeah I read some of it [17:44] slackhammer? [17:44] ltbplinux (n=ltbplinu@187.36.70.146) left irc: Client Quit [17:44] i got the tour [17:44] cmair (n=cmair@host56-111-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:44] Action: BP{k} redirects slackytude to LQ. [17:45] oh [17:45] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-43-153.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:46] one thing that's really nice is that apparently verizon already has email settings for LAUSD, so it took like 20 seconds to setup my email account on it [17:50] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p54A75104.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:54] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A74138.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:54] what PHONE you turd [17:54] blackberry what [17:54] tour you ding dong [17:54] 9630 [17:54] is there a command to update the mbr? [17:54] ezrafree : what are you trying to update it with? [17:54] Necos, VZW push mail tests a few common server name prefixes. [17:55] i had this set up as dual boot but i just got rid of windows (which was set to boot first) [17:55] usually mail. pop3. and imap. [17:55] just wondering if that's set in the mbr or whatever [17:55] watch word of the day folks: ' [17:55] "i got the tour" <--- what part of that didn't make sense jeev? :P [17:55] ezrafree : edit /etc/lilo.conf on slackware, and then run 'lilo' [17:55] 'Bloviating' [17:55] it actually uses OWA [17:55] oh ok running lilo takes care of it, sweet [17:56] i thought maybe i had to do something else too [17:56] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.218) left irc: [17:56] thanks ananke [17:56] hm [17:57] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/what-featureschanges-would-you-like-to-see-in-future-slackware-605827/page50.html#post3637499 except that this won't remove packages, or prevent you from installing a package without its dependencies, surely this isn't that different from dependency handling? [17:58] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-160-167-74.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:00] god, i get tired of these dipshits begging for apt-get [18:00] Necos : and i get tired of people bitching in that manner [18:00] i'm not begging for it. i'm just pondering. [18:01] make a symlink to slackpkg named apt-get [18:02] yesyes : it really depends on your definition of dependency handling. the example from this webpage is a very primitive dependency handling, since it's missing some of the common features, such as ability to distinguish between different versions [18:03] ananke: it's an equally annoying topic on both ends, i agree [18:04] yesyes : however primitive, that does fall under the dependency solving [18:05] 1.make a symlink to slackpkg named apt-get 2.make a slackware package out of it 3.??????? 4.PROFIT! [18:05] lol [18:06] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-119.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:06] necos, your battery life suck ? [18:06] yeah, figured that. i'm just trying to find the root of the problem and distaste for dep handling. i'm searching instead now, as it's a rather difficult topic to discuss here. [18:06] i didnt see you say tour the first time [18:06] jeev: battery life is fine [18:06] mine sucks [18:06] much better than my u740 [18:07] tour battery life is TERRIBLE, at least mine is [18:07] yesyes: the reason dep handling is a problem is because few people ever "get it right" [18:07] yesyes : i like to think of it as phenomenom similar to racism. a lot of people forgot why they really hate that other race, and they're just stuck on hating [18:08] case in point: do this on a fedora system "yum remove python" [18:08] considering slackware isn't even in the top 10 distros, I'd guess that others have suceeded [18:08] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [18:08] thrice`, it's the only distro that hasn't opted for unnecessary complexity :P [18:09] often it stems from a bad experience they had 5 years ago, on some , when they ended up installing from , whoose authors did not set them up properly [18:09] NthDegree: depending on who you ask apparently... [18:09] Necos: what happens when you do that? [18:09] opinions aside, of course. there are many who would wager that administering slackware is WAY more complex than fedora [18:09] anyone know about sensor probs? is there devices that dont log data just simply convert the information from the sensor and transfer it down the line, maybe by serial? [18:09] it tries to remove 50 other packages because they all depend on python [18:09] thrice`, sure.. but if all the Fedora developers dropped dead? :P [18:09] thrice`: top four on distrowatch are those clickers [18:09] Action: ananke likes clickers [18:10] thrice`: it could be if you're not well equipped to deal with a slack install [18:10] Necos: so, what's the difference? on slackware, those same 50 packages will quit working. on fedora, at least it will tell you what will break [18:10] Complexity is defined as the user being able to use EVERY portion of the OS as he/she pleases without abstractions interfering - only aiding [18:10] Action: winter have nothing against it untill it's windoze [18:10] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [18:11] thrice`: the difference is having the option of building the packages without the dependency in the first place [18:11] thrice`, and on DOS there's no need for a packaging system! Let's all use DOS! [18:11] yesyes : so, once you get past the folks who simply hate for the sake of hating, you can have a normal civilized discussion on those 'taboo' subjects in context of a given distro [18:11] :P [18:11] i mean - clickers: yes doze: - ^^&^&&* the doze [18:11] pupiteee (n=p@79.101.88.147) joined ##slackware. [18:11] winter : now that's an os that could use dependency handling :) [18:11] lol [18:11] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [18:12] thrice`, Say I want to remove crap which is listed as a dependency without messing up the ability to update, what do I do then? [18:12] Necos: I disagree; slackware users face the same dependency requirements as fedora [18:12] although i have to say, macosx solved that in a nice way. packages are self contained, and they don't have dependency info [18:12] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:12] ananke, and wastes RAM with code that could be commonly shared :P [18:12] the result is a fairly clean install [18:12] and an even more clean removal [18:13] ananke, unless you want to replace base system components [18:13] NthDegree : of course, there are trade-offs [18:13] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:13] superlinux (n=oracle@123-243-150-200.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [18:13] hi all [18:13] ananke, GoboLinux is a distro that takes the concept you mention to an extreme [18:13] winapt-get --update; winapt-get --pay install msoffice 2009; winapt-get yourbill [18:13] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-1-178.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:13] NthDegree : replacing those is not as much of an issue as say on windows. with macosx it's very easy to backup user data [18:13] They use the filesystem as a package manager [18:14] thrice`: i don't use auto-dep resolution for that reason... i prefer to audit my deps [18:14] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "sleep" [18:14] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-nrhouwryzftsorzu) left irc: [18:14] how can i make sbopkg make use of my SMP system? [18:14] but that's just my style... [18:14] Necos: of course (so do I, obviously). but many people think that because I can "removepkg python" that magically everything will still work OK [18:14] oh no, those people are delusional [18:14] ananke, it works for a proprietary OS, where the base components only change during an upgrade - and every app uses said components [18:14] usus12jari (n=duodenum@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [18:15] ananke: yeah, I like time machine on my daughter's macbook:) [18:15] NthDegree : yes [18:15] how can i make sbopkg make use of my SMP system at compile time, and do it like make -j $cpu_count ? [18:15] Action: ananke needs to sit down and set up time machine on his mac mini this week [18:15] doesn't pcbsd do the same, regarding package management? [18:15] thrice`, it does indeed, with PBIs [18:15] thrice`: but that's also a matter of sysadmin style [18:15] t4k3r0n_ (n=t4k3r0n@189.186.30.120) joined ##slackware. [18:16] uva (i=bno@118-168-238-8.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:16] Btw guys, it's easy to recompile add-on apps to sit in /opt [18:16] NthDegree : that's my preferred place for all self-contained [and many other] apps [18:16] my gripe with auto-dep is people saying "be more like " instead of understanding the strengths of the way things are now [18:16] superlinux: set 'MAKEFLAGS="-j #"' in your shells startup files. replace # with approriate number. [18:17] Necos, same here.. I changed to Slackware to get away from such crap [18:17] BP ok mate [18:17] Necos : that was never a question. you jumped on yesyes without any sign of 'be more like' [18:17] if I want custom packages for half the distro, I have them ^^ [18:17] BP{k}, like i can have that as an ENV variable? [18:17] i was referring to the article itself, not directly attacking him [18:17] i'm all for a fair lashing out, as long as it's warranted :) [18:17] NthDegree: You don't even have to recompile for that [18:18] sorry if i didn't make the distinction [18:18] straterra, depends on how libs get linked [18:18] Nothing some good ol' fashioned symlinks can't fix :P [18:18] superlinux: possibly, but really, only root needs it as sbopkg is designed to run as root. [18:18] straterra, no need for that either, a nice LD_LIBRARY_PATH wrapper works too [18:19] straterra, and symlinks are ewwwwness :P [18:19] BP{k}, ok [18:19] personally, i haven't seen an issue with dependency handling in years now. granted, i stick to official repositories, and maybe a couple additional ones [18:19] BP{k}, thanks [18:19] ananke: how many trolls do we get a week saying "why isn't slackware more like debian?" [18:19] I could not see on google anything related to that [18:19] Why isn't Slackware more like the best distro, Gentoo? [18:20] Necos : about the same as legitimate users who wonder that [18:20] lol [18:20] "auto-dependency breaks the universe" is a myth parroted by the brainwashed just like "if you don't use a slackbuild your penis will fall off" [18:20] ITS TRUE THOUGH [18:20] straterra : did yours fall off? [18:21] Erhm..no [18:21] regarding 'yum remove python', it seems the problem is that the dep-handling is assuming something you may not mean, i.e. remove all these programs too, removing more power from the user, with the default behaviour at least. not sure if that's the main problem, but interesting to think about, nevertheless. [18:21] but ebuilds are close enough :P [18:21] superlinux (n=oracle@123-243-150-200.static.tpgi.com.au) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [18:21] jigpe (i=allan@securabit/listener/jigp) joined ##slackware. [18:22] hello :) [18:22] moin [18:22] wassup here men [18:22] anyways [18:22] yesyes : in a vast majority of those cases dependencies are required, and problems can be solved by simply not going through with the removal [18:22] how to know if im using 64 or 32? [18:22] jigpe : os or hardware? [18:22] im using 12.2 latest i download it yesterday [18:22] the OS [18:22] jigpe: arch [18:22] then you're using 32 bit os [18:22] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:23] ok thanks ananke [18:23] ananke: but that makes dep-handling better, doesn't it? as it at least give you a hint that you should really not be doing that. [18:23] jigpe : next release of slackware will have the 64 bit port. in the meantime, only the branch under development has that [18:23] gentoo contributed oodles to the body of knowledge via their documentation. my hat's eternally off to them [18:23] gm512 [18:23] thanks [18:24] arm too [18:24] i will just type arch [18:24] yesyes : i agree, i'd rather know what will happen as a result [18:24] gm512 : i will just type arch? [18:24] mancha: and early x86_64 [18:24] indeed, early 64 support was also great. [18:24] jigpe: arch [18:25] gentoo is failure [18:25] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-119.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:25] Assuming you have a terminal running. [18:25] Wilblake (n=matheus@unaffiliated/wilblake) joined ##slackware. [18:26] thrice`: no, it just eats the user [18:26] i only tried gentoo one time at school, didnt like it [18:26] and that is 4 years ago [18:26] rapid_ (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [18:27] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:27] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-193-131.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:27] mancha: auto-deps does not break the universe... and it's not even a myth... auto-dep is hard to do right, and this is because people can fuck up [18:27] Bart_S : right. and following that logic, i tried linux one time, 15 years ago. didn't like it. [18:27] lol [18:28] Necos : certainly. and guess who screws up more often: users or distro maintainers? [18:28] Nick change: rapid_ -> rapid [18:29] Which distro? [18:29] i'm willing to bet it's the users who screw up more often. that's why slackware community tends to have more linux savvy users. [18:29] straterra : any distro [18:31] on average, a user of any distro has better chances of screwing up than the average distro maintainer. i'm not saying all distro maintainers do not make mistakes of course [18:31] humans make mistakes [18:31] fuckloads of them [18:31] and there is 1 fuckload of humans [18:31] t4k3r0n (n=t4k3r0n@189.186.33.48) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:31] actually, it's the package maintainers that fuckup... [18:32] ananke: and i agree with ya on the users [18:32] Necos : sure, they do sometimes. it happens. it also happens a bit less often than what average user can screw up [18:33] gm152 : i686. thats the reply.this is 64? [18:33] so while power users, who have the know-how, and the time/effort/desire, to track deps manually - that's not an issue [18:34] jigpe : 32 bit os. [18:34] geoff_k (n=geoff@cpc2-asht4-0-0-cust822.asfd.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:34] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-193-131.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [18:34] ananke : ok thanks [18:35] jigpe : are you trying to figure out whether your hardware is 64 bit at this point? [18:35] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [18:35] cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep flags [18:35] the best argument against dep-handling i've read so far is that third-party packages can easily/automatically install libs over distro libs, or even uninstall them, causing many problems. [18:35] grep lm /proc/cpuinfo [18:35] ananke : hardware is intelcore2duo 160 p5vd2 vm se 2gb ram. is this 64? [18:35] all intel c2d are em64t [18:35] core 2 duo will run x86_64 [18:35] jigpe : very likely. run the command i gave you [18:36] eviljames: Not all..but most all :P [18:36] ananke: ill reformat the box and install 64bit.i will download 64 12.2 later [18:36] The extreme low end Core 2's don't [18:36] jigpe : 64 bit what? :) [18:36] ok ill run that [18:36] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [18:36] sec [18:36] i always use needless pipes when it's late in the day, my cue to start wrapping things up and go home [18:36] yesyes : not sure how that's an argument against dep-handling. it can happen on any system [18:36] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:37] yesyes : and in fact, on some distros it's easier to protect against that exact thing. on suse i can 'lock' packages [18:37] straterra: You're thinking of the "Intel Dual Core" not the "Core 2 Duo" [18:37] ananke: only if you explicitly do it in slack. not easily/automatically. [18:37] No [18:37] I'm thinking of the Core 2 [18:38] rapid_ (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [18:38] yesyes : false argument. the 'easily' or 'explicitly' applies equally to both sides [18:38] I run my Core 2 Duo in x86_64. [18:39] I have the E6750 core2duo. [18:39] ananke: very long txt i dont see numbers [18:39] jigpe : that's ok, what matters is that you got output [18:40] ananke: when you yum install something and that, as part of its dep handling, removes/replaces a package then that's not explicit. if you were to do the same in slack, it wouldn't do anything automatically. you'd have to explicity replace that lib. [18:40] so its 32 bit then? [18:40] ananke: that's a pretty smart thing the suse guys came up with [18:40] if you got output that means "lm" or long mode is in your flag-set [18:40] jigpe: your processor is capable of 64-bit, but you're running 32-bit software [18:40] so you have a 64-bit capable noodle in that ox [18:40] box [18:40] yesyes : false. in slackware when you issue 'installpkg whatever', libs can be replaced. you wouldn't know any better. [18:41] straterra: i may stand corrected here, I thought they all did, but it appears some of their U-series do not. [18:41] :) [18:41] yesyes : as to the yum example, that's an issue with yum, not with auto dep handling [18:41] jigpe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_2_microprocessors http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_64 [18:41] Most all of them do..but..a handful of the really really really shitty ones dont [18:41] ananke: ah, i'm assuming a package wouldn't include libs from another package. [18:41] fuck m$ [18:41] thanks guys [18:42] we are going to test freeswitch deb on 32bit slackware 12.2 [18:42] thank you so much [18:42] from the bottom of my heart [18:42] thanks [18:42] :) [18:42] good morning [18:42] gn [18:42] good morning to you too [18:42] :) [18:42] jigpe : good luck. quit pressing enter every other word [18:42] a couple more messages in a shorter time period and we'd have seen a flood kick :D [18:42] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:42] Nick change: rapid_ -> rapid [18:43] ananke : where to enter? [18:43] sorry for my english grammar [18:43] np! [18:43] ananke: like i said auto-dep is hard to do... and even harder for everyone to get right... even the best package managers have f'ups [18:44] but features like that locking packages in suse make things somewhat easier [18:44] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [18:44] it needs to be thought out carefully [18:45] (but that's obvious) [18:46] mancha : there is no reply cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep flags [18:46] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Client Quit [18:46] i'm gonna go grab some lunch, i'll be back in a bit [18:47] hmmm lunch [18:47] doh [18:48] jigpe: Try the command that ananke provided: grep lm /proc/cpuinfo [18:48] yesyes : not to mention that a real issue you're bringing up is not technological aspect, but something completely different: trust. you're talking about 'third party packages'. that's what trust is all about [18:48] that affects all distros and operating systems [18:49] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [18:49] and life in general, really [18:50] ananke: anyway, baring in mind most packages only include files unique to that package, and not libs from other packages, for example, auto-dep can implicitly remove an important lib, whereas without it you'd have to explicitly make that mistake. and yes it does come down to trust. trust is actually the main reason i use slackware, apart from the KISS principle. anyway, back to other ponderings. good to have a good chat about this, tho [18:50] Hmm..what package system does this automatic removal process you are talking about? [18:51] straterra: arch used to do it, at least. think others do. [18:51] Such as? [18:51] i'm not sure, hence think. [18:51] I should rephrase that..which distros do that BY DEFAULT? [18:51] apt doesn't..and yum doesn't [18:51] arch is hardly a good representative of all those other distros :) [18:51] and portage doesn't [18:52] heh, okay. i'm thinking about package management in general, dude. [18:52] one certainly has to exercise caution, when it comes to slackware or any other distro: be careful with what packages you get :) [18:52] and all the possibilities. [18:53] yesyes : so you're talking about a hypothetical problem, not an actual real one [18:53] heh, i didn't say that. [18:53] yesyes : so what are you saying? :) [18:53] haha [18:54] this eeepc is realy good on slack... [18:55] i installed slack on a eeepc too [18:55] works great [18:55] "in general", as in the general ability to manage dependencies, and the problems one could encounter, not a specific implementation. [18:55] Bart_S: im having trouble with tochpad... [18:55] what kind of troubles [18:55] eeepc also comes with XP right? how did MS fix the thrashing issue or do they just kil the ssd? [18:56] sometimes it dont works... [18:56] strange [18:56] very... [18:56] to bad i dont have the eeepc here [18:56] yesyes : but you started off by trying to understand why people don't like dependencies, and now you're talking about hypothetical problems [18:56] yesyes : so be fair :) [18:56] than i could check it for you :( [18:56] thanks guys :) [18:56] My 5101 came with XP..but a license for Vista Business..it dual boots OSX and Vista Business [18:56] Vista is pretty damn fast on it [18:57] it's not hyperthetical when it's happening. [18:57] Bart_S: ive use a code koala setup howto... [18:57] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [18:57] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "leaving" [18:57] used/ [18:57] still, this isn't really getting us anywhere, especially when i decided to call it a night a while ago :-) [18:57] straterra : i wonder if you can upgrade to windows 7 from vista business [18:58] ok [18:58] ananke: You can [18:58] how much is a 5101? [18:58] I'm not going to..It's not worth the cost for me [18:58] I got mine for $600, first week they shipped [18:59] we just got licenses at work. too bad i can't upgrade any instances i use [namely windows xp]. i'll have to install from scratch [18:59] You can upgrade XP to Vista..and vista to 7 [18:59] But only if XP was 32-bit [19:00] 64-bit Vista will upgrade to 64-bit 7, though [19:00] ahh, that's a good idea [19:00] xp -> vista will be the biggest headache..but the most important step [19:00] Most vista drivers work in 7 [19:00] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:00] I'm going home.. ananke if you want any more info, just pm me or page me here [19:01] k, thank you [19:01] np [19:05] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-1-178.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [19:06] i'm going to [19:06] hmmz [19:06] is something like #ortodoxfanaticlinuxusers on freenode [19:06] winter : here? now? [19:07] Elektro (n=Elektro@90.85-84-206.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [19:07] ananke: we've got 1 mili fuckload of windows lovers here [19:08] users, not lovers [19:08] /o\ [19:08] winter : i think you could make your point without that language [19:08] is it forbidden here? [19:09] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [19:09] winter : frowned upon. and it's not necessary at all [19:10] at least not to express what you were describing :) [19:12] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [19:13] you're taken more seriously when you don't cuss >.> [19:14] but that's hard sometimes lol [19:14] in addition, it makes this channel a bit more open to a wider population [19:14] like when you open the freezer and a big ole roast falls on your bare foot [19:15] oh snaps [19:15] huumm ... how to update in cvs to a older revision of a branch? just -r 123 jumps to the trunk :\ [19:15] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [19:16] higuita: you have to look at the branch labels [19:17] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Ho_ça kal1n." [19:19] Necos: the branch lavel is gtk2... but how can i stick to it? the -r changes the stick [19:19] i know how to do it in svn, cvs is messing with my mind :) [19:19] MrJacks0n (i=Mr@173-86-51-202.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] are you sure it's spelled that way? [19:21] the branch name is that... i assume label=name, no? [19:21] sorry, i mean the actual tags that are used for that branch [19:24] ok, i could update to a cvs tag that is just 2 revs from the one i need... as its just docs update, its good enough [19:25] Superbaloo (i=FN@energeek.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:25] thanks Necos :) [19:25] Superbaloo (i=FN@energeek.net) joined ##slackware. [19:25] hehe [19:26] cvs is wierd [19:26] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.183.48) joined ##slackware. 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[19:49] prescott was the better of the pentium 4's [19:49] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags/Intel [19:49] no, core 2 duo is some of the latest [19:49] thought prescott was the overheating chip [19:50] core 2 is the 2nd newest line [19:50] i7 is the latest, for desktop [19:50] http://getswiftfox.com/tarballs.htm [19:50] ...so I'm downloading INtel Prescott [19:50] ohhhhhh i forgot [19:50] Is that the correct one? [19:50] i even have a core i7 940 ;D [19:50] model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5800 @ 2.00GHz [19:51] if its x86, get it [19:52] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-82.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:52] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix [19:54] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [19:54] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. 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[20:04] happens to the best of us ^_^ [20:04] lol, that's what I just said =P [20:04] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-75-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:06] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:07] still a bit stuck on minor points of not having access to my toons.... what's a guy supposed to do without Harvey Birdman and the Venture Brothers! [20:08] go outside? [20:08] LIES! [20:08] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [20:08] Necos: or get a girl. :P [20:08] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:09] HA! getting one is easy... stopping the neighbours from alerting the authorities is the hard bit [20:09] lol [20:10] i'm gonna check out opensuse today [20:10] theblackslab, do you have spaceghost? [20:10] nah, spaceghost was one I always missed out on... need to check it out [20:10] theblackslab: lol [20:10] damnti [20:10] I'm a fan of sealab and the like [20:10] also, damnit. [20:11] Spaceghost is my all-time favorite. [20:11] sealab is good too [20:11] sealab! [20:11] I hadn't seen any adult swim in a long time, turned it on the other night.. then immediately went and downloaded three seasons of squidbillies [20:11] hiptobecubic, you seen Harvey Birdman? absolute classic [20:11] yes :D [20:11] Oh Yeah! [20:12] anyone seen The Max? [20:12] Maxx [20:12] yeah [20:12] Not in a LOOONNNNG time [20:12] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:12] I was too little to know what the hell was going on [20:12] well proper bumba! hiptobecubic, same man - found it years later and nearly had an existential crisis! [20:13] juan--d-1-b (n=juan--d-@190.165.26.181) joined ##slackware. [20:13] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:13] Nick change: juan--d-1-b -> juan--d-_-b [20:14] theblackslab, it was really strange if i recall. He was always fighting some weird smoke or something... in some alternate reality in that girl's head [20:15] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [20:15] hiptobecubic, bang on [20:16] I remember "The Head" from the same time, remember that? [20:16] hmmm [20:16] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:16] not really [20:16] i remember Aeon Flux [20:16] lol, why did the first thing i think of go straight to Maxx Headroom or however you spell it [20:16] Aeon flux was damn pretty [20:17] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Gameover" [20:17] again, too young to know what was going on [20:17] that and heavy metal really showed off good animation [20:17] although it did give me a better understanding of the movie [20:17] I own heavy metal and still haven't seen it [20:17] watch that movie! [20:17] The Head was some weird boring bloke who woke up one day with an Alien being living in his absurdly inflated head.... [20:17] it's so damn cool [20:18] theblackslab, YES! [20:18] lol, thought so ;) [20:18] :D [20:18] those were the days [20:18] before reality television started fucking everyone in the ear [20:18] freaked me out something proper - one guy with a lawnmower blade stuck in his head that couldn't be removed or he'd die! [20:18] LOL [20:18] http://www.sadistic.pl/pics/fde9e0917dde.jpg [20:19] pretty rough life [20:19] mhm [20:19] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [20:24] Lapmann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:25] hmmmm [20:27] Action: theblackslab whistles into the uncomfortable silence [20:27] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/picturegalleries/6021785/Londoners-Through-a-Lens.html?image=3 [20:27] http://www.sadistic.pl/jak-zrobic-swiatowa-kariere-vt21002.htm [20:28] lol [20:28] Ekc (n=iskar@78.128.55.9) left irc: "Leaving" [20:29] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:29] well, time for me to gtfo of here ^_^ [20:29] take care folks [20:30] CeruleanC (n=Cerulean@unaffiliated/ceruleanc) joined ##slackware. [20:30] nighty night. [20:30] ta ra [20:30] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection reset by peer [20:31] got me samba problem sorted ;) = chown -R nobody.users /share [20:31] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:31] so ..... when did dot replace colon? [20:31] antiwire: is anything else on the same usb bus as your fingerprint reader? [20:32] for me it was only a few weeks ago, but I felt cooler straight away [20:32] colon 4 life [20:33] 6 things on bus 1 [20:33] chopp: I'll past it [20:33] paste [20:34] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/WCOnIb34.html [20:34] antiwire: grrr...so much for my theory. I thought because I have an built in sd card reader on the same bus, that was what is causing me grief. [20:35] antiwire: and those other devices are enabled? [20:35] yep, everything [20:35] chopp, ' built' ? [20:35] ok [20:35] hiptobecubic: ....he typed built in [20:36] Action: hiptobecubic read "have built an..." x_X [20:36] put the crack pipe down sonny [20:37] g'night all [20:37] I don't take any offense to anyone pointing out my grammer mistakes either. There fairly common :P [20:37] theblackslab (n=theblack@188-220-132-12.zone11.bethere.co.uk) left ##slackware. [20:38] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-1-178.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:38] fuckers [20:38] /s/they/they're...see [20:39] winter: what's your problem? [20:39] oh nothing just experiencing threads [20:43] elkng (n=wnb@80.243.77.120) joined ##slackware. [20:45] grazymax (n=grazymax@host55-39-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:45] he was exposed to the internet [20:46] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:51] i'm bored of my fingerprint reader. [20:51] it's not really secure anyway [20:51] elkng_ (n=wnb@gprs-79-189.vntc.ru) joined ##slackware. [20:51] when are computers going to come with an analprint reader? [20:51] http://technology.todaysbigthing.com/2009/08/10 [20:52] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-421232.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:52] This is the most multi-tasking you can do without accompishing anything useful. [20:52] eviljames: analprint reader? Oh my........ [20:53] i saw commentary about the colon, and chuckled to myself [20:54] then I watched a video of a kid solving 2 rubik's cubes WHILE playing guitar hero on expert [20:54] and that's been your whole day? [20:54] marchhare (n=marchhar@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:55] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [20:57] pupiteee (n=p@79.101.88.147) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:57] fire|bird: pretty much, osug meeting in a couple of hours tho [20:58] pupiteee (n=p@93.86.159.172) joined ##slackware. [20:58] eviljames: cool, have fun. :) [21:04] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.183.48) joined ##slackware. [21:09] elkng (n=wnb@80.243.77.120) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:10] josefig (n=Anonymou@189.129.182.66) joined ##slackware. [21:10] nositelicense (n=quassel@cpe-67-49-45-203.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:11] Nick change: SlackNeo -> FreeNeo [21:11] Hello, im having problems with my slackware 12.2, i cannot connect to some wireless networks, specially with wireless networks with no passwords :S [21:11] Nick change: FreeNeo -> BsdNeo [21:11] wireless networks with no passwords... [21:11] doesn't sound like a network I'd want to connect to :) [21:11] josefig: are you using wpa_supplicant.conf? [21:11] depends if you're in a coffee shop or not [21:12] antiwire, yes := [21:12] :) [21:12] well now i've changed my statement about america [21:12] josefig: are you using wicd? [21:12] Dominian, yep [21:12] is that the problem? :P [21:12] nah [21:12] wicd is what I was going to suggest [21:13] josefig: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/BOJTC538.html [21:13] and its like -- [21:13] -- [21:13] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [21:13] and so on [21:13] josefig: you just said you are suing wpa_supplicant.conf and then you say wicd...so which one is it [21:13] suing/using [21:13] and i will never be silent [21:13] antiwire, i use wicd [21:13] josefig: wicd calls wpa_supplicant directly [21:14] Dominian, yes that's what i was gonna say [21:15] antiwire, so the link you gave me, what's about it ? [21:15] don't worry about it. you're using wicid. [21:15] wicid [21:15] oh forget it [21:15] fucki it [21:15] Action: winter & [21:16] winter: go play in your sandbox [21:16] Blip (n=anonymou@unaffiliated/blip) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:16] josefig: I don't use wcid because it's really not needed. wpa_supplicant is supported by the stock scripts and wpa_supplicant.conf can handle any network type as well as allow me to have multiple interfaces configured and connected at the same time. [21:17] Last time I used wicd, you could not use it to configure and connect two interfaces simultaneously. [21:17] antiwire, oh i got it [21:18] antiwire, so what do I have to do? I mean to use wpa_supplicant [21:18] elkng_ (n=wnb@gprs-79-189.vntc.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:19] Disable wicd, configure rc.inet1.conf to use wpa_supplicant for your wireless card section and configure /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf [21:20] BsdNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [21:20] nositelicense (n=quassel@cpe-67-49-45-203.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:21] nositelicense (n=quassel@cpe-67-49-45-203.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:22] sergio (n=Sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) joined ##slackware. [21:22] the paste that I posted is an example wpa_supplicant.conf section that will allow you enter the SSID (case sensitive) of the plaintext/open wireless network you wish to connect to and then restart networking to connect to it. wpa_supplicant.conf supports multiple configuration sections and I have mine setup for all of the APs I connect to so it is automatic. 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[21:57] mkeil (i=marcel@82.96.72.54) left irc: SendQ exceeded [22:00] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-104-244-213.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:00] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-45-140.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:00] mkeil (i=marcel@82.96.72.54) joined ##slackware. [22:01] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:03] Nick change: fredoslack -> kernelpanik [22:03] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:04] greetings and salutations [22:04] hi [22:04] greetings andarius, how are you? [22:05] salutations fire|bird, i am well. you ? [22:05] andarius: I am excellent, thank you [22:09] hi fire|bird [22:09] Nick change: kernelpanik -> fredoslack [22:09] hey fredoslack [22:09] hi andarius [22:10] i feel tired > http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Endormi/0004.gif [22:10] lool [22:10] salutations fredoslack [22:10] andarius, do you speak french ? [22:11] absolutely.... not :| [22:12] sprecken du deutsch? [22:12] como se llama? [22:12] hey boy, what's ya name? [22:12] lol [22:13] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@adsl-69-104-140-172.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:13] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-421232.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Connection timed out [22:13] omg it's the red trike [22:13] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:13] i had a BigWheel when i was a child, i think. [22:13] i also had a red Ross Apollo bicycle back then too. [22:14] you say something about a lama ? [22:14] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:14] llama's; ie, name. [22:14] sounded like a donkey to me [22:14] lol [22:14] so [22:15] what'st he latest on 13? [22:15] read the Changelog and you'll know what everyone else knows [22:15] fasi [22:15] i dont need that much info; only asking if there's news on its realise. it's boolean query. [22:16] realise/release [22:16] well all that news comes from the Changelog [22:16] and that's all. [22:16] as soon as the version changes it is noted there [22:17] antiwire, i've found your picture on the web :) [22:18] i'me sure that it's you :) [22:18] I'm sure you have, especially considering that no one has a picture of me. [22:18] antiwire, >> http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Ordinateur/0004.gif [22:18] lool [22:19] arenics (n=arenics@unaffiliated/arenics) left irc: "leaving" [22:19] i found two pages on scripting to grab flv. anyone want via dcc? [22:20] html pages. [22:22] CrYpTo1 (n=CrYpTo@ip68-224-51-177.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:26] uva_ (i=bno@118.168.238.8) joined ##slackware. [22:26] why can't you just post the links? [22:26] you have this fetish with dcc [22:27] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:28] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-104-244-213.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:28] its immediacy [22:28] posting the links is immediate too. [22:28] posting the link is slower than dcc transfer? [22:29] they arent in my Archive/ yet [22:29] analiser (n=analiser@190.142.190.15) joined ##slackware. [22:29] but you clearly have the links already [22:29] nop [22:29] then what do you plan to dcc? [22:29] they're in /tmp atm [22:30] ./dcc send antiwire [tab comple] [22:30] this is silly [22:30] lol [22:30] i think you are trying to send goat pr0n [22:30] lol nop. good html. [22:31] what's goat pr0n? [22:31] is that like tux pr0n? [22:31] redtux [22:31] wait; tux pr0n is softcore lol [22:32] antiwire: nah, he's probably trying to send pictures of himself, like: http://www.public-domain-photos.com/free-stock-photos-4-big/food/quiznos-sub-sandwich.jpg [22:32] lol fire|bird [22:32] so meaty [22:32] and you had to look for that? omg you have too much time on your hands! lOLOL [22:32] uva (i=bno@118-168-238-8.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [22:33] omg lollerz [22:33] although I wonder if that sandwhich doesn't have a higher iq [22:33] lol [22:33] i do more than just ooze; what can that sammich do? [22:33] just lay there? [22:33] pff [22:33] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:35] redtricycle (n=redtricy@69.105.44.91) joined ##slackware. [22:36] antiwire so,... after all that, the dcc command, the bitching :) do you want the files? [22:36] :) [22:36] I've never had an issue downlaoading flv files [22:36] btw you owe me a thank you from yesterday [22:36] ok [22:36] I owe you what? [22:37] gratitude for assisting you with a prob yesterday :) LOL [22:37] rofl [22:37] How did you assist me? [22:37] actually just busting your cues about this is payment enuf :) [22:37] i gave you a clue yesterday [22:38] or "hint", whatever you wanna call it. [22:38] I'm pretty I gave you a clue. [22:38] pretty sure [22:38] well yea; you have. but i did also. [22:38] Quiznos: where's the logs to prove it? [22:38] i always `ty' for the assistance. [22:38] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [22:38] omg you wants log?!? i got logs up the wazu [22:38] rofl [22:38] apoca (n=apoca@haydn.n2.nognu.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:39] Well, if you have a *clue* about grep, etc. it won't be that hard. :) [22:39] morning peeps [22:39] hey dive [22:39] although it's nearer night.. [22:39] wait... [22:39] 68 .BitchX/logs [22:39] dive: How's it going? [22:39] that's megs [22:40] for all sorts of logs [22:40] lol [22:40] your point being? [22:40] fire|bird i can grep all night and locate all day. [22:40] alright, i'll find a log [22:40] fire|bird, just put up an update for chkconfig: fixed the rc.cups output [22:40] You didn't give me anything except some lamer comment about proper nouns that was irrelevant [22:40] antiwire: haha, he's one to talk about grammar. :P [22:41] Does it matter which part of speech the words are that I am looking for? wtf are you thinking? [22:41] antiwire hold on... [22:41] dive: great, I'll get it and try it out. [22:41] and after that I put you on temp ignore [22:41] Quiznos: man find :P [22:42] until you stopped your school house rock nonsense [22:42] fire|bird, I've also got the patched grep slackbuild, source and package if you want to test: http://www.unrealize.co.uk/slackbuilds [22:42] dive: ok, thanks. [22:42] Rat409 with 68meg, find wont do it [22:42] fire|bird, can't believe how much faster pkgtool and slackpkg are with it [22:42] this is gonna take me a while [22:42] wow [22:42] hey Rat409 [22:42] hey fire|bird [22:43] brb laundry [22:43] Rat409 that's for a few years now of using bitchx and a particular script that logs everything [22:43] only 68 megs of logs? [22:43] well, i was offline for a bit, two stints of that. [22:44] but i faithfully use bx to chat and log when i'm online [22:44] Quiznos, so you never got around to making logs that that rotate at midnight and are named by channel-year-month-day ? irssi+bash ftw ;-) [22:45] elderK (n=elderK@222-152-99-143.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [22:45] Dude, Mrxvt freaking rules [22:45] antiwire ok i found our exchange; the context was you using find to grep certain files for someone's full name with a embedded sapce; then you /ignored me, and right when you did I told you to \\ the space tween the first and surnames but you have already /ig'd me. [22:45] pidgin even has a plugin for searching the logs by a specific time range. [22:45] apoca (n=apoca@haydn.n2.nognu.de) joined ##slackware. [22:45] elderK, yeah it is nice :-) [22:45] Hey Quiznos, fire|bird, rworkman :D [22:45] :D And Dive! [22:45] :D [22:45] Seriously, It's really, really nice. [22:45] the timestamp is yesterday 222934h [22:45] hi elderK [22:45] ola [22:45] I mean, it's probably the best T/Emu I've found so far. [22:45] Action: elderK nods [22:45] :) [22:45] Action: elderK waves to all [22:45] yo rworkman [22:46] hey elderK [22:46] dive nop; i dont do anything to the files. [22:46] Action: rworkman particles to all [22:46] lol ^_^ Shiny [22:46] dive: ola :) [22:46] like fireflies [22:46] Action: elderK chases them [22:46] greetings rworkman [22:46] yep [22:46] dive mostly they are potential evidence if I ever need them to refute a complaint. [22:46] antiwire your response? [22:46] I ignored you because two string proper nouns and names aren't the only form of text that have spaces and you were just flaunting the fact that you have watched school house rock. it was totally irrelevant [22:47] antiwire wrong; i gave you the answer; \\ the space so you could remove one pair of the quotes [22:47] Poopoohead! [22:47] Would be a good time link to patched kernel? http://slackware.com:/~volkerdi/private/kernel-mmap_min_addr-4096-noarch-1.tgz [22:47] but as i said busting your cues is better than a thank you. [22:47] Sure :) [22:47] for 12.2 though [22:47] logs dont lie; i consider them holy; (Dive, this to you to) [22:48] Where does lying come in here? [22:48] gnoel (n=gnoel@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:48] antiwire i mean MY logs dont lie bc I dont mess with them. [22:48] I'm not lying about anything though. [22:48] they become READ-ONLY to me. [22:48] i didnt say you were lying. [22:48] I saw what you typed and promptly ignored you [22:48] i mean my having logs and their purity. [22:48] go ahead. [22:48] http://rlworkman.net/images/give_a_damn_progress.gif [22:48] you're crazy. [22:49] I think I can speak for the channel on that ^^ [22:49] ;-) [22:49] yeah no shit [22:49] ty [22:49] anyway. [22:49] rworkman: hahaha, nice. [22:49] rworkman: NICE! :D [22:49] find ~/irclogs -name slackware | grep Quiznos | sed "s/don\'t\ lie/do\ lie/g" [22:49] y0 agentc0re [22:49] muhahah [22:49] rworkman: It's weird how it always fails though, isn't it? [22:49] fire|bird: sup dude? [22:50] agentc0re: go skydiving today? [22:50] agentc0re: not weird at all for me :D [22:50] fire|bird: Nope, only have time on the weekends for that. [22:50] dive did i write that antiwire lied about anything? [22:50] agentc0re: not much here, trying to figure some stuff out with the laptop. you? [22:50] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@adsl-69-104-140-172.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:50] Quiznos: no, but you implied it. [22:50] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:50] rworkman: well let me end that with a /EndSarcasm :P [22:51] fire|bird: did you get that image working? [22:51] no; but if that's the perception then i do apologise. i dont think he lied at all. [22:51] Quiznos, I was just being facitious about the statement logs don't lie. Wasn't implying anything else. [22:51] agentc0re: all except for Windows Product Activation stopping me, yeah. [22:51] dive. k [22:51] rworkman: Any reason why that url has a windows-ish gui? :P [22:51] fire|bird: do you have an OEM key? [22:52] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:52] agentc0re: yeah, but it doesn't ask for that at all, just asks for activation (online doesn't work) and if I click don't activate for now, it won't let me log in. :P [22:52] and now antiwire missed out on my apology, damn fool and reactionary. [22:52] fire|bird: I had an issue like that today and I don't know what happened. It involved a copy on write file created from a base image of windows XP. the COW file was working fine for three days and then after a reboot the COW image claimed registry errors and no activation. [22:53] fire|bird: I killed the COW file and recreated and the base was fine. [22:53] fire|bird: Okay, i know how to fix that :D. Here are some "preserved OEM keys" http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb457078.aspx [22:53] Quiznos: I didn't ignore you right now. [22:53] rworkman, you know about Urchlay's grep issue? He found the debian patches weren't working well. Cut long story short Arch patches _do_ work so I put up a SB: http://www.unrealize.co.uk/slackbuilds/12.2/grep/ if you want to test it out (had limited usage so far) [22:53] agentc0re: thanks [22:53] ok then so i apologised. [22:53] I said I had seen what you typed about parts of speech and ignored you then because it was irrelevant [22:54] Urchlay, ^^^ [22:54] antiwire you're still a reactionary. [22:54] fire|bird: to prompt activation %SYSTEMROOT%\system32\oobe\msoobe.exe /A [22:54] antiwire always jumping to false conclusions [22:54] fire|bird: I think the windows WGA code freaks out with some of the hardware changes that happen with VMs [22:54] fire|bird: i think shift+f10 will bring up a CLI when in that process of question answering. [22:54] Quiznos, do you want a cup of coffee ? [22:54] windows WGA/WGA [22:54] antiwire taking any convenient and quick way out to avoid actually accepting help from me. [22:54] fredoslack already have tyvm. [22:55] Quiznos, >>> http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Boissons/xcache4.gif [22:55] lool [22:55] antiwire: You are absolutely right. Major hardware change resets activation. [22:55] antiwire: yeah, I think so, thanks to microsoft, it's really picky. I made it the same size HDD and RAM (the VM that is) [22:55] agentc0re / fire|bird: I'm used to the reset part but this time it was totally corrupted [22:55] luckily it was just a COW image and not the base [22:55] Moooo [22:56] Usually it will at least prompt for a key to enter instead of just yes or no being your only two options. [22:56] fire|bird, really liking ion3 :-) [22:56] I'd try to login as administrator and the login screen would flash quickly, display a exception error dialog and then present the login screen again, infinite loop begins. [22:57] dive: great, I know the time I used it, it was very nice to use. [22:57] crap TMZ is pre-empted [22:57] the exception error was regarding the inability to verify activation [22:58] I know that as soon as I do get the VM working, etc. slack64 is going on that laptop, enough with windows on that thing. :P [22:58] dive: bother upstream. :) [22:58] fire|bird, I spent most of the evening writing menus and fixing keybinds to work with other apps :-) The only thing is I noticed on wikipedia that the dev had come to dislike the FOSS community and gone back to using windows :O [22:58] dive: Pat was in here earlier today and Urchlay talked with him about it. The conclusion was to bother upstream. [22:59] rworkman, that was Pat's .. yeah [22:59] aww i missed Pat? how is he? [22:59] He's aliiiive!!! [22:59] dive: haha [22:59] muawahwahwa [22:59] well we will have see whayt happens [22:59] http://rlworkman.net/images/lemongas.jpg [22:59] rworkman how's his fam? [22:59] I swear I'm going to do that ^^ one day. [23:00] lol [23:00] Quiznos: ask him. That's personal info, and I don't share that sort of thing about others. Sorry. [23:00] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-9-23.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:00] rworkman: LOL.. I wonder how many people were devastated by that? [23:00] agentc0re: I don't know, but I'd like to contribute ;-) [23:00] rworkman i'm just asking a generic for generic (the simple ans would be "just fine ty" [23:01] pupiteee (n=p@93.86.159.172) left irc: Connection timed out [23:01] Quiznos: oh, in that case, then yeah - fine :-) [23:01] pffiffle [23:01] [scof] :) [23:01] you ruined the illusion!!! [23:01] I'm good at that. [23:02] noted [23:04] CrYpTo1 (n=CrYpTo@ip68-224-51-177.lv.lv.cox.net) left ##slackware. [23:04] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:09] fire|bird, http://www.unrealize.co.uk/sshots/ion3.png [23:10] gabriel (n=gabriel@200.83.63.105) joined ##slackware. [23:12] dive, you can read that? [23:12] that is too transparent for that background.. [23:12] yeah it's ok [23:12] fail [23:12] I can read it fine [23:12] Action: edman007 IRCs with a solid black background [23:13] anyone using green on black (phosphur?) [23:13] for my terminal [23:13] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [23:13] kool [23:13] irc is white on black... [23:13] dive: that looks really nice. [23:13] i have gray on black [23:13] but that's bx's default [23:14] Quiznos, alright, grey on black i suppose... [23:14] heh [23:14] whatever xchat default to [23:14] nods [23:14] I've colour coded each of my boxen with different colour term, so I know which box I'm on when I ssh [23:14] it aint 1970s unless it's green on black. [23:14] oh the mems [23:14] dive that's a good idear [23:15] powtr|x (n=powtrix@189-69-20-211.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:15] oh wait; bright green on green. [23:15] that's 70s [23:15] lol [23:15] with the burnt on letters. [23:15] gotta have those [23:15] usus12jari (n=duodenum@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [23:15] usus12jari lol user name [23:16] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-9-23.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:18] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:19] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-17-184.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:19] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix [23:20] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "when i grow up i want to be a big kid !!" [23:20] init[1] (i=buffer@bnc1.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [23:20] o/ init[1] [23:20] hi [23:20] Nick change: init[1] -> Guest36598 [23:20] y0 juice [23:20] http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5053827 [23:20] Guest36598: indentify FAIL [23:20] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [23:20] identify [23:23] agentc0re: that's a great article about activation, thanks again. [23:24] so my 29 hour road trip to Mt. Rushmore and the badlands was awesome [23:24] left here sat 8pm got back sun at 12:30am [23:25] 850 miles each way [23:25] nice; what of the bee-ah run? [23:25] which one did you bring back? [23:25] any encounters with military? [23:26] err 730 miles each way [23:26] none and none :) [23:26] aww, good. [23:26] avoided 9 hwy patrol [23:26] how? [23:26] my buddy driving was doing 140 at times [23:26] lol [23:26] but 100 a lot [23:27] ok [23:27] luckly yall ain't dead [23:27] elderK (n=elderK@222-152-99-143.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: [23:27] we hit no cars,animals or didn't get pulled over, and we didn't wreck however 7 times I thought we were screwed [23:27] good [23:27] elderK (n=elderK@222-152-99-143.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [23:27] however we killed 1000's of innocent grass hoppers [23:27] that's ok [23:27] :) [23:27] juice: BURN IN HELL! [23:27] the car looked like a battle zone on front [23:28] that haps [23:28] superGear, :( [23:28] there is no hell [23:28] it was just a saying [23:28] atheists wont go to hell [23:28] will have pics online [23:28] hopefully tomorrow [23:28] don't get all non-religious on me [23:28] heh [23:28] http://forums.utassault.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=24569&stc=1&d=1250551642 [23:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:29] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:32] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [23:32] hiptobecubic (n=john@pool-173-65-85-6.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:33] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [23:37] antiwire: I fired up a live cd with pam/thinkfinger capabilities, and the reader worked. Not a hardware problem anyway. [23:38] init[1] (i=buffer@207.192.71.107) joined ##slackware. [23:38] Nick change: init[1] -> Guest52143 [23:39] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-9-23.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:39] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-60-119-54.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:41] Guest36598 (i=buffer@bnc1.shellium.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:41] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [23:42] antiwire: I found in that article agentcore gave that those sysprep files can also be downloaded from Microsoft if you don't have them. :) [23:43] ahahahah viva viagra [23:43] y0 nix_chix0r [23:44] wadup [23:44] awww, hubby needs some of that already? :P [23:44] morning nix_chix0r [23:44] hahah no just saw one of their new commercials [23:44] :) [23:44] nix_chix0r: how's it going? [23:44] eh i slept the whole day away pretty much lol [23:45] was just laying down not to sleep and i passed out [23:45] haha [23:45] that was at like 4-5pm:| [23:45] nix_chix0r: signs of old age? Well, maybe in your case, signs of having a baby. :P [23:46] think i broke my dvr [23:46] nix_chix0r: you passed out at 4-5pm?!?!?!, what the heck is wrong with you? :P [23:47] nix_chix0r: how'd you break that? [23:47] anytime i try to play something recorded it asks me if i want to delete and it wont play [23:47] nix_chix0r: Too many late night HBO specials? ;) [23:47] http://www.google.com/search?q=spiders+on+drugs&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en:official&client=firefox-a [23:47] asks to delete, is it full? [23:48] think i broke it with all the lifetime movies i record [23:48] haha [23:48] i have 11% availble so i deleted some stuff and that didnt help [23:48] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [23:49] nix_chix0r: Well, it probably noticed all the lifetime stuff and thought "AH CRAP, THIS IS ENOUGH." :P [23:49] http://www.google.com/search?q=spiders+on+alcohol&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en:official&client=firefox-a [23:49] grrrr [23:49] winter: Why the heck are you posting links to this crap? [23:49] winter, what are you doin [23:49] no shit [23:50] googling for spiders on drugs. Question is why? [23:50] chopp: I guess he's posting links here now, he posted 13-15 links in ##slackofftopic earlier. [23:50] wondering why it's harder to see a spider making it's web on a alcohol then on lsd or thc or coce [23:50] fire|bird: someone needs to punt this fool [23:50] winter: again, why are you posting that crap here? [23:50] but i don't care about that [23:50] chopp: agreed [23:51] BECAUSE THERE IS NO ONE ON SLACKWARE OFFTOPIC [23:51] heh bwm is giving away 4500 dollar eco credit to buy their new "fuel effecient" cars [23:51] josefig (n=josefig@189.190.135.220) joined ##slackware. [23:51] winter: Yes, there is, they just don't care, just like we don't care here. [23:51] chopp: PFFT [23:51] you're a fool [23:51] dive: I darn went and installed ion3 now. :P [23:51] winter, i will poop on you [23:51] hello ladies! [23:51] morn [23:52] ;p [23:52] no thanks [23:52] fire|bird, want a menu? [23:52] dive: sure, I haven't logged into it yet, but will after a bit. [23:52] some msn client on text mode ? [23:52] when does winter get banned for random outbursts of obscenities and name calling? [23:52] fire|bird, make me some mac n cheese [23:52] antiwire: sometime during spring? [23:52] I will need write all the stuff I've changed to a separate file perhaps [23:52] josefig, finch [23:53] dive: page? [23:53] josefig, it's part of pidgin [23:53] i want some mac n cheese [23:53] nix_chix0r, well start cooking [23:53] lazy [23:53] dios_mio (i=FREELOVE@88.242.166.38) left irc: "HERE WE IN SANTA FE AND NONE THE WISER" [23:53] you should be in the kitchen, what are you doing on irc? [23:53] i got through 2 packets of fig rolls tonight [23:53] woah [23:54] rofl [23:54] nix_chix0r: yes madam. ;) [23:54] Action: edman007 runs [23:54] dive: im lookin' for it on sf.net and nothing :/ [23:54] Action: fire|bird trips edman007 [23:54] edman007, why aren't you making me mac n cheese biatch [23:54] nix_chix0r: there, poop on him. [23:54] ow [23:54] josefig, it's in the pidgin package installed by default (usually) [23:54] i should [23:54] nix_chix0r: I just had mac n cheese the other day. [23:54] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:54] you shoulda been here. :) [23:55] darn [23:55] josefig, you have pidgin? [23:55] dive yes [23:55] i can't find my chex mix either i think he took that to work [23:55] :) [23:55] josefig, just type 'finch' in a term [23:55] nix_chix0r: dang, your gonna starve. [23:55] Action: nix_chix0r sells her 4 cuban cigars on ebay [23:55] user8937 (n=user0432@adsl-76-235-42-19.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:56] nix_chix0r: food money? [23:56] dive: thank you, lol i'm feelin' like a stupid :P [23:56] naw i have plenty of groceries [23:56] my dad gives em to me [23:57] josefig, no worries [23:57] sergio (n=Sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) left ##slackware ("..."). [23:57] nix_chix0r: so after a darn near day long nap, your just too lazy to cook? [23:57] i think i just need to wake up a bit [23:57] Action: fire|bird hands nix_chix0r a cup of coffee [23:58] i could probally get a killing selling cubans [23:58] cigars or cuban people? :P [23:58] cigars haha [23:59] you could [23:59] but importing them would be nasty [23:59] well i already have a few [23:59] nix_chix0r: I hoped that was the answer, I don't have enough bail money. :P [00:00] --- Tue Aug 18 2009