[00:00] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:00] nullboy, the "thumbs" up from /dev/random-dude is just classic [00:01] lol [00:01] iin spanish [00:01] haway! mcafee bricked winxp home on acer netbook...and it's only been used once [00:01] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.125.97) joined ##slackware. [00:01] "acceleratos gigante" [00:01] lol [00:01] is there a command or apps so I could configure the brightness of my screen? [00:01] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:01] Action: Old_Fogie wonders why they install trial ware on new pcs... [00:02] lol [00:02] when will they learn [00:02] $$$ [00:02] man I got this pc, turned it on..and striaght partitioned it, and put slack in. so now...err 3months? later, I go in, mcafee says trial over..then I get "irq less than or equal to fail" or some crap. [00:03] I could care less about the windows to be honest., but its the principal you know heh [00:03] Nick change: hamburgled -> hamburgle [00:04] wait...you have mcafee on slack? [00:04] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-86-126-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:04] edman007, no this acer netbook, came with xp home [00:04] oh, thats your problem [00:04] edman007, so as soon as I turned it on..went into windows put in partition magic resized..installed slack done [00:04] but they come with mcafee [00:05] automatically running when you first log in..so in 30 days you're out of 'free' updates [00:05] so I havent logged in in 3 months or so [00:05] reset the BIOS and install slack [00:05] or did you try that? [00:05] Ijust logged in for the hell of it..and see this lol [00:05] oh slack works :D ( /me looks to sky and says "thank you" [00:05] the windows side is toast...sorry I said bricked wrong term [00:06] I'm afraide of yanking out their 'restore' partition tho [00:06] http://failblog.org [00:06] not sure what that's all about, I really havent looked. gonna wipe out the windows on this once I go thru that "hidden partition' [00:06] ive seen "bricked" 10+ times today.... i normally go a month with seeing it 1 time [00:07] hba, ahahah [00:07] maybe that is due to the fact that i am sober right now... [00:07] I'm just shocked that this winodws is totally bluescreening and I've only been logged in for a total of 2 times [00:08] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [00:08] you sound so serious [00:08] root__ (n=nukedclx@aejl143.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [00:08] Old_Fogie: are you really that amazed? [00:09] replay (i=1000@69.26.207.44) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [00:09] lotec, well I know windows rots on the vine..but two times? but an IRQ message that's odd.. dont get any errors in linux tho. [00:09] best BSOD i ever seen was at an outback steak house. damn ordering terminal was BSOD [00:09] looking thru /var/log now to see if there is any [00:10] not really computer related, but hillarous: http://carcino.gen.nz/images/index.php/35a796d8/36ace69e [00:10] lotec, hahah I saw one on an atm at my bank too once. [00:10] Old_Fogie: i actually thing there is someting wrong with my vmware install of xp. after it runs for 20 to 30 min it crashes on me. no idea why it is doing that for. [00:11] lotec, you know what I bet it is? [00:11] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:11] lotec, ready for this? [00:11] lotec, I bet you the windows screensaver is kicking on and it's at the log-in screen in the backgrond [00:11] lotec, google disable windows screensaver at winxp logon screen [00:11] lol [00:11] it's a registry edit [00:11] hum ill check that [00:12] Cann0n, no joke yup [00:12] windows screensaver doesnt crash windows in vmware o.O [00:12] here's a nice BSOD for ya: http://brandybuck.site40.net/pics/win_bsod.jpg [00:12] straterra, did on me [00:12] [ in bed ] :) [00:12] never has on me [00:12] :D [00:12] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejh107.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:12] there are so many things you can do with the registry.... too bad its a bitch to clean up [00:12] straterra, XP not vista ( I never treid vista ) [00:12] in vmware [00:13] I run XP in VMWare at work [00:13] i run XP pro in a KVM and it's cool too [00:13] but do they go to screensaver and then have a log in screen if you come back like 20 minutes later? [00:13] straterra, ^^ [00:13] i have to have xp for school. [00:13] yes [00:13] huh interesting [00:13] they do [00:13] I believe ya [00:13] just fails here [00:14] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [00:14] last time someone told me i had to use something computer related, i told them they can do it then. [00:15] lotec: why do you have to have XP for school? [00:15] that's common [00:15] need word 2007 [00:15] erm sorry 2008 [00:15] why not OO.o? [00:15] Avelino (n=Avelino@189-46-56-82.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [00:16] i had to have windows XP because we had spreadsheets that were written with VBA. I also needed to use windows because a lot of the book disks included windows only study guides [00:16] danc3: dude come on now [00:16] and no, oo.o does not work properly with a lot of stuff [00:17] the latest OO.o (3.0) handles the newest M$ formats [00:17] what format did i mention? [00:17] i am also required to use windows for work [00:17] .docx and .xlsx, etc [00:17] lotec, here's the link I follow for windows screensaver for what it's worth: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314493 [00:17] it's not as matter of formats, it's a matter of supporting the visual basic for office variant [00:17] Old_Fogie ill give it a shot see if that helps it [00:18] heh [00:18] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.125.97) left irc: "Leaving" [00:18] ok [00:18] or visual basic for applications, although it's really mainly used by office [00:18] if you say so [00:18] if we say so? [00:18] yeah. did I stutter? [00:18] Unfortunately, OOo doesn't always handle things correctly (or good, depending on your outlook). I ran across a PPT today that didn't render correctly [00:18] danc3: i guess you really don't have much experience using microsoft created content in oo.o [00:19] I guess not [00:19] would be cool if oo.o supported vba [00:19] ... [00:19] mordy: i can, sort of, but only portions of the embedded VBA stuff [00:19] i/it [00:19] Action: hba *knows* that msoffice runs in wine-1.1.12 ;) [00:19] To make it worse, MS Office (at least the version I have at work) doesn't support exporting to PDF. [00:19] danc3: dude you just cant do an excel sheet in OpenOffice that has the features set up the same way. doing headers on word docs and having them be set correct on OpenOffice it just does not work man. [00:19] hba: which versions have you tested? [00:20] mordy, there is in 'gOO' not sure how much tho, it's the openorifice that debian/ubunut and novell use [00:20] mordy, it's an "oo" fork [00:20] not to mention that vba someimes calls various windows APIs, and well, good luck with that [00:20] nullboy: 2007 [00:20] hba: did it seem at least usable? i still have a copy of MS office XP [00:21] danc3: here is one for yea. the log in process for my job linux just cant do. i wish it could heck we cant even get OSx to work with it right [00:22] nullboy: well, i just saw it, never tested it. [00:22] hba: wine + MS office would be perfect for a couple of situations i have run into working on client computers [00:22] i'm going to try it [00:23] nullboy, crossover claims too, I've never tried it tho [00:23] isn't crossover pay for software? [00:23] i already own MS office and wine is free ;) [00:23] yea, but aren't your clients 'pay for service' :) [00:23] haha [00:23] pwnd clients [00:23] crossover is, but they had a deal one day where if one of the 3 things was met they'd give it away. [00:23] now i need small package that would successfully compile with slackware over distcc. geoip runs into problems and doesn't detect automake 1.4 [00:23] touche' :) [00:23] So i ended up getting a free copy :) [00:24] nullboy i took the easy route. i just installed ms in vmware and then i installed office. [00:24] comes with life time support too, that is totally awesome! :D [00:24] lotec: so far that was my solution too [00:24] **rubs it in a little more* [00:24] hey agentc0re, i'm going to go bend over that barrel over there right now ok? [00:24] what's crossover? [00:24] nullboy: lol [00:25] Semper Gumbie, grab those ankles! :P [00:25] nullboy, well they do kick money and resources to 'wine' so I suppose it's not really wasted [00:25] or a bad thing [00:25] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:26] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:26] you cant be Semper Gumbie unless you have on the old rain suit [00:27] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:27] NaCl__ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [00:27] what's gumbie? [00:27] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@S01060016b62c5431.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:27] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.182.28) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:28] http://www.gumbyworld.com/ [00:28] wtf? lol [00:28] hahah. [00:29] it's a really old show. [00:29] were talking about another Gumbie though [00:29] gah, i just need a very small source package that will compile with minimal configuration on 12.2 [00:29] we were? [00:29] just to see if distcc works [00:30] i was thinking always flexable(semper gumbie). [00:30] ahhh [00:30] agentc0re: u in the corps? [00:30] I was. [00:30] and i thought he was simply a latin major [00:31] HAHA [00:31] i was talking about the damn Green Rain Suit. [00:31] you have to have it on to be all Gumbied out [00:31] small source package? anyone? [00:31] thats true. I guess it can have various meanings. [00:31] i liked the blockheads [00:31] bombuzal (n=bombuzal@unaffiliated/bombuzal) left irc: "Night :>" [00:32] lotec: were you in the marines? [00:32] agentc0re: green weenie ever get yea? [00:32] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:32] Dude, the green weenie gets everyone. [00:32] agentc0re: i got out in 05 Dec [00:32] Ever had libo taken away? Green weenie got ya. [00:32] Tranny (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-9de230f3566d43a4) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:32] i got out July of 04. [00:33] What did you do? [00:33] that damn thing followed us all the way to Iraq [00:33] 0311 [00:33] Lol, same. [00:33] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.22.19) joined ##slackware. [00:33] unit? [00:33] I was in 3/4 and 3/7 [00:33] 29 Stumps. [00:33] that place is like iraq minus the damn sand storms. [00:34] o i was at lejeune with 2/2 then over to pendleton [00:34] went back to iraq for my 2nd tour and got hit with a nade [00:34] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@173-16-207-247.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:34] ouch. [00:35] where at? [00:35] it was more like F--K ouch God Damn :D [00:35] lotec, you okay now? [00:36] lol [00:36] not as good as i was but i can walk [00:36] tuvok302_ (n=vircuser@S0106001bfc6956e4.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:36] You're supposed to DODGE the flying shrapnal [00:36] i dont know but i hit 100 bucks on the scratch ticket today [00:36] If you can dodge a grenade, you can dodge a ball! [00:37] straterra: i jumped but it hit me in the lower back. [00:37] nerve/muscular damage? [00:37] all of they above plus it blew out 3 of my disk [00:38] lotec, well I for one appreciate your service. I'll say a prayer for you tonight. (not joking here either) [00:38] I was pretty lucky in both my tours over. First time was when we very first crossed the line in march of 03. that was when i was with 3/4. We got sent home early (only did a 3mo. tour) to train to go to Oki. So since i was getting out, i had to do the deployment workup but didn't go to Oki and got shit canned to 3/7. 3/7 was going back to Iraq and the cut off date was july 1st. I got out July 9th and had to go. Nearly bi [00:38] codemasters (n=admin@122.167.182.94) joined ##slackware. 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[00:41] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [00:41] lol [00:41] codemasters, might need to fix the MBR [00:41] after the complete installation it asks to install the boot loader on MBR [00:41] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.81.250.175) joined ##slackware. [00:41] does it stall when you install lilo on the MBR? [00:41] lotec: i wasn't in faluja though, was up at a plase called Husahbua (Qusaybua) or something like that. It's on the Syrian border. [00:41] after the completion [00:42] it default boots windows [00:42] codemasters, does it stall when you install lilo on the MBR? [00:42] yus [00:42] yes [00:42] fix the MBR [00:42] how do i do it [00:42] rebooting from CD? [00:43] agentc0re not sure where that was. I wa in faluja both times i was there. and between both of those we got to stop in afgan and get shot at. it was Great [00:43] *dvd again? [00:43] Well i'm glad there is another fellow brother in here that was an 03 also. Doesn't make me feel like such a geek after the years :P [00:44] good question. i used a win98 cd, booted on cd in restore mode or w/e, then typed fixmbr. BAM! [00:44] lotec: Sounds awesome. I love how they just want people dead... Hey, i have an idea lets go get shot at. O_o [00:44] i started messing with linux while i was in there. taking computer courses for free on base nothing else to do [00:44] tuvok302_ (n=vircuser@S0106001bfc6956e4.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:44] Cann0n, ny help [00:45] ny? [00:45] new york [00:45] i still manage to boot though by using usb by creating boot disc [00:45] you cant fix the MBR with the install disk [00:45] agentc0re i do miss it sometimes. [00:45] afaika [00:46] USB [00:46] ohh k [00:46] usb with an mbr? [00:46] agentc0re i had and still have alot of good friends from there. [00:46] lotec: Same... i think i miss my friends the most. Never had a tighter bond. [00:46] nope USb boot disket which directly boots to linux [00:47] to my .dev.hda9 [00:47] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Husaybah [00:47] wow [00:47] agentc0re yep i have guys out of there i stil talk to. nothing like being shot at to make you close. [00:47] i am wiki'd [00:47] codemasters, so whats the problem again? is this an MBR problem or a USB problem? [00:48] that's exactly when i was there. [00:48] MBR [00:48] i want to install proper boot loader [00:48] with windows and linux [00:48] 5 marines were 4 from weapons and our company commander. [00:48] in my MBR [00:48] oh. well fix the MBR with a windows cd [00:48] coz my MBR by deafualt boots Windows [00:49] yea dude 1/4 made it on to the history channel. [00:49] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.248.156) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:49] you lost me. im done helping. lol. [00:49] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.182.28) joined ##slackware. [00:49] alot of guys i new were on there. pissed me off i was in the damn hospital having metal pieces pulled out of my ass [00:49] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.55.7) joined ##slackware. [00:51] lotec: I think i kind of remember that. [00:52] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.182.28) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:57] I think i need a drink now :/ [00:57] Action: lotec is having another coke [00:58] interesting experiences [00:59] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.182.28) joined ##slackware. [01:00] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:02] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.81.250.175) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:06] argh [01:07] Tranny (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-be0a2d94fd7c77a7) joined ##slackware. [01:07] lol [01:07] Is there an easy way to disable the gxine firefox plugin? I'd rather have firefox ask me to download a video than try to play it [01:07] http://www.howtoforge.com/nat-gateway-iptables-port-forwarding-dns-and-dhcp-setup-ubuntu-8.10-server -> Not only is Ubuntu a great operating system, it's also very flexible and powerful enough to allow you to get up and running in no time! Note: Please restart your computer after every step. This will ensure everything is working correctly. FAIL! [01:07] lol [01:07] nathanbw, there is a way [01:07] (On a related note, does anything important depend on gxine? I never use it; it crashes /way/ to frequently) [01:08] Cann0n, sweet. Care to fill me in ;-) [01:08] mplayer > xine [01:08] does anyone use ubuntu server? [01:09] mordy: that qualifies as a server? [01:09] ... i do on my door stop [01:09] lol [01:09] mordy: ewwwwww [01:09] i was just referring to the post above [01:09] mordy: hba eats paint chips we excuse him. but you i never thought u [01:09] ugh, chroot over nfs isn't great when you have a 100mbit connection and a 25MB/s disk [01:09] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@121.232.9.69) left irc: Client Quit [01:10] lotec, i used ubuntu for a dfay when i first started using linux, i decided to switch to debian since ubuntu was so weird [01:10] codemasters (n=admin@122.167.182.94) left irc: "Leaving" [01:10] and debian is ?sane? [01:11] Action: Old_Fogie chuckles :) [01:11] ive always used slack [01:11] debian is ok [01:11] mordy: and you didn;t find debiam weird [01:11] A quick grep of /var/lib/packages/gxine-$VERSION shows usr/lib/mozilla/plugins. If I remove the plugin manually, will pkgtool care when it comes time to upgrade? [01:11] err debian [01:11] i tried many distros.... but ended back with slack [01:11] mordy, I'm teasin', nah debian is ok second choice to slack /me thinks [01:12] i use debian for my mainstream, working computers [01:12] i'm only trying out slack on this old computer and see how it works :P [01:12] ah I see [01:13] but you can't doubt the fact that an operating system with no dependency resolution is nice to play around with, but does have severe limitations if you just want something to work quickly [01:13] It's ironic, you put Slack on junk and I put debian on junk :) [01:13] lol [01:13] mordy, keyword. quickly [01:14] it is amazing how well slack runs after you have some of it figured out. [01:14] i mean quickly in terms of configuration, not in terms of performance [01:14] "work quickly" <-- Just like most "debian" pro's script their apt-get; so do most Slacker's for their package maintenance...we just don't have a "predetermined your an idiot resolution" we make our own :) [01:14] i know riight? [01:14] mordy, The great thing about slack is that once you get it running the way you like, it runs for ages and ages [01:14] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [01:14] i can install slack and have it doing auto mount/what ever else quicker then someone installls ubuntu [01:14] lotec, agreed [01:14] yeah [01:14] hiptobecubic (n=tester@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:15] fully scripted here, and if I need to tweak it , same thing, a few seconds in mcedit..boom done walk away [01:15] i still have a lot to learn, so i think i'll keep what works as my main system until i feel i know more [01:15] When I ran debian and debian alternatives, apt-get screwed me more than once, and kept overwriting my config changes :-( No doubt if I stuck with it, I could learn the quirks of the tool, but I love that slackware is so simple [01:15] nathanbw, for the most part..apt-get is kind to configs now I find. [01:16] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.125.97) joined ##slackware. [01:16] sadly, i didnt know what apt-get was until this time last year [01:16] hell the slack server i had ran for 3 years straight no downtime. just stop and restart services for updates. never had one problem [01:16] i thought it was a stupid idea anyways [01:16] Old_Fogie, glad to hear it. That was one of my few qualms with the system. [01:16] lotec, can't argue with them results :) [01:16] lol [01:17] nathanbw, oh they still have their quirks, debian...but that seems addressed for most part [01:17] well all i am out. time for bed. see yea guys tommorow [01:17] i'd actually be glad if configurations were overwritten, needing to edit config files is good for familiarization [01:17] later lotec [01:17] G'night lotec [01:17] later lotec [01:18] nathanbw, I run debian so I know how to use it for family's pc that I give debian too, that live to far away for me to be there and help out with. so they get old binaries..that dont get new versions of anything, and security updates only, works well enuff I s'pose [01:18] ... [01:18] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [01:18] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:18] nathanbw, the family that's closer, well they get bleeding edge :) [01:18] guys how do I set different wallpapers fir different workspaces? I'm using xfce... [01:18] lol i like my configs to stay all nice and neat in the /etc closet [01:18] ... [01:19] #xfce might help [01:19] Cann0n, agreed, with a nice cron to back up...'just in case' [01:19] Old_Fogie, nice. They have an incentive to stay near, haha :-) [01:19] it's starting http://cdip.ucsd.edu/?nav=recent&sub=nowcast&xitem=socal_now [01:19] Old_Fogie, thats my problem. i never fooled with cron or rsync [01:19] nathanbw, yes hahah. my family that lives nearby, they don't even know what 'root' is :) [01:20] Cann0n, oh man..stop what you're doing and learn it :) [01:20] im googling it now. ive put it aside for so long [01:20] my latest deal is rsyncing to a secondary disk daily and weekly rsyncs to a storage server [01:20] the development packages are taking ages to install :| [01:21] ah [01:21] nullboy: heh, yeah. I rsync my dirs to keths computer and vice versa [01:21] [ in bed ] :) [01:21] not to mention tons of diskpace [01:21] cron is like... at 12:34AM run shutdown [01:21] Old_Fogie: yep ;) [01:22] (why would i ever need ruby?) [01:22] mordy: bindings perhaps [01:22] Cann0n, here's a simple one that , well if it doesn't work for you , then blame BP{k} as he basically wrote it for me, ahahah http://pastebin.com/d13b23616 [01:22] full rsync logs are sort of a nice thing to check out, do a fresh sync, install some programs and just use your system for a few minutes and then rsync again. you can see every file that changed [01:23] or anyone else if needbe, that's for slackbuilds.org 12.2 repo [01:23] lol Old_Fogie you old fogie you.... [01:23] BP{k}: morning [01:23] Cann0n, :D [01:23] nullboy, can you run rsync on your root fs while the system is running? [01:23] Cann0n, seriously tho, works awesome :) [01:23] so i gotta set a crontab correct [01:23] it's so worth it. [01:24] i think you can run anything on your rootfs, it just sometimes may not be a good idea [01:24] Cann0n, then I have a script that cd's into that direcotry , and runs "tree -inapugf -o filelist.txt" so I get a file list , so I can "grep xmms2" for example and know where it is. Since SBo doesn't issue a "filelist.txt" file. makes life easier. [01:24] this will backup / and exclude more or less sensible exclusions, all to a storage server using ssh http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/9707 [01:25] ah [01:26] 1.2 G available for disk space :( [01:26] Cann0n, yes and if you get time, in addition to nullboy's there, take a look at the 'infamous' 'mirror-slack-current.sh' script from alienbob's repo; that's a must have tool as well. [01:26] Cann0n, well his web-site, I mean, the wiki [01:27] that must take up quite a bit of bandwidth i suppose :/ [01:27] zhngyng (n=chatzill@125.71.68.238) joined ##slackware. [01:27] mordy, no you can use the -b switch to limit the bandwith, read man rsync (?) [01:27] i cant use too much bandwidth. im limited to 14GB/Month [01:27] old_fogie: then it would be slower :P [01:27] I have no idea the page, I'm not 1337 likeothers :) [01:27] i never used rsync [01:28] it's 'pfm' [01:28] pfm? [01:28] i never used cron or rsync [01:28] pure freakin' magic (swap a nasty f word there) :) [01:28] if someone sponsors me a nice reliable backup disk, i'll use rsync :P [01:28] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [01:28] never had a reason to really. i should at least learn them [01:28] "Gladly pay you Tuesday, for a hamburger today" [01:29] the thing i don't like about scheduled tasks is that i'm usually up when it's supposed to be executed, and then just cancel it [01:29] mordy, you must be family of mine, they did that for windows updates, and virii scans :) [01:29] :P [01:30] lol [01:30] old_fogie, am i in your will? [01:30] let me check...mmmm that would be 'NO' [01:30] Action: mordy wonders what has been bequeathed unto him [01:30] lol [01:31] what kind of family man are you? [01:31] Denied! :) [01:31] Action: Old_Fogie said taht in quake 3 voice [01:32] ***mordy tried to invade Old_Fogie's personal space [01:32] lol [01:33] yup, and he met the 'mordy be good pimp smackdown' [01:33] hahaha [01:33] then again... [01:33] Action: Old_Fogie kicks himself near nullboy's head [01:34] MMAoIRC i see [01:34] seems easy... IE: crontab -e then * 12 * * * rm -r /tmp would clean my tmp at noon [01:34] duh, dah, nah nah... bring it on Mr. Big Time :) [01:34] Let's get ready to 'fumble' [01:34] :P [01:35] hahah [01:35] thats basically it huh [01:36] rysnc can be used locally? [01:36] yeah [01:36] Cann0n, be carefully whacking /tmp tho.. I mean..stuff like firefox or others, write there. Don't know that I'd do that on a desktop system , in /etc/rc.d/rc.local_shutdown maybe..but well it's your pc [01:36] ok, now i'm trying to figure out how to get distcc working [01:36] Old_Fogie, i used to wax it on shutdown [01:36] I do [01:37] how do i tell make to do 32 bits? [01:37] i havent set that up yet. but thats basically it tho right? [01:37] hiptobecubic (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [01:37] do i need to start it on boot? [01:38] i've heard -m32 but don't know how to pass that to gcc from make [01:38] Unbelievable. These stupid notification problems i've been having [01:38] It turns out, it's just painting the notifications offscreen. [01:38] what is [01:39] Cann0n, i installed compiz and then suddenly notifications were broken [01:39] ah... bells and whistles... [01:39] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.29.183.65) left irc: "leaving" [01:39] I spent all day trying to piece together why, and it turns out that the way my dual monitor setup is combined with my panel layout causes the notifications to paint beyond the lower limit of my smaller screen [01:39] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:40] Not that that makes any sense at all because it didn't do it that way for several months. [01:41] mordy, (or anyone else in need) my script to create symlinks for distcc and ccache (taken from alphageeks hard work, his link in top of script if need be) http://pastebin.com/d34edbb30 : works for me, :) [01:42] Old_Fogie, the notification problem turns out to be completely unrelated to dbus [01:42] hiptobecubic, oh what was it? [01:43] Old_Fogie, well it still exists, but basically it's drawing them below the lower limit of my screen [01:43] i have dual monitor, one larger than th eother so there is some blank space [01:44] mordy, be sure to read his articles to understand the why's and how's of what that does does (or anyone else) ; creating symlinks alone won't do anything, but his site was outdated for the links for 12.2 ; in essence I'm really just updated the version numbers of what he has; nothing special really. [01:44] i only found it because i was running watch -n1 "notify-send test" and playing with settings to see if i could break it [01:44] hiptobecubic, so using dual monitor's breaks libnotify? [01:44] Old_Fogie, the way my panels are setup is tricking it somehow. although i don't see why because it's been setup this way for months now. [01:45] hiptobecubic, wait, this is compiz tho right? [01:45] compiz with libnotify.. [01:45] Old_Fogie, no. but if i don't have a panel on the bottom edge of the screen then libnotify is drawn below the screen. no it's just xfwm. no compiz [01:45] ah [01:45] yeah weird [01:45] but it's all fixed now? [01:45] compiz can go hell. lol i've had enough of that nonsense. completely unusable here. [01:46] understood [01:46] Old_Fogie, no not fixed. I don't see why i need an empty ghost panel on the bottom of the screen all of the sudden [01:46] hiptobecubic, you know..there is a way to configure where the notify pops up right? [01:46] you can make it top right/left bottom, etc [01:46] in xfce [01:46] there are four choices, top left/right bottom [01:46] yea [01:47] you tried different ones? [01:47] Action: mordy looks at old_fogies script [01:47] or you only want bottom [01:47] mordy, yea if you read his site, that'll make sense. there's some old notes I have in there, I noted them with 'begin disregards..' and 'end..disregards" Im not willing to delete them yet "just in case" [01:47] I've always had bottom left. the other three work because they avoid the empty space, but it's a pain to have popups anywhere but the bottom right because they end up covering up something [01:48] I see [01:48] i need to be able to tell it to ignore the bottom 280 pixels some how :D [01:48] Old_Fogie, how do i start cron? isnt there a daemon? [01:48] crond? [01:48] hiptobecubic, have you tried the latest version of libnotify out there, there is a newer version out not too long ago [01:48] Old_Fogie, i'll check into it. [01:48] nvm [01:48] Cann0n, set exec bit on the script in /etc/rc.d [01:48] hiptobecubic, I'm only guessing...who knows [01:49] ah im stupid [01:49] although again, this WAS working. so unless the data went corrupt i have no idea what's happened that it can't figure where the bottom of the screen is anymore [01:50] hiptobecubic, try a different window theme and gtk theme for the heck of it. ( /me is grabbing at straws, but notify does get 'themed') [01:50] i dont have a cron script in there Old_Fogie [01:50] Old_Fogie, worth a shot. [01:50] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:50] but i did run crond as su and my test worked [01:50] oh good [01:51] whats in your script? [01:51] Cann0n, you can also install the 'anacron' daemon which , well checkit out at SBo, that's a nice alternative too. [01:51] Cann0n, "scroll key" :) [01:51] old_fogie, so basically this script makes distcc pretend to be gcc for all purposes? [01:52] in rc.cron or mhat ever? [01:52] i confused myself [01:53] mordy, if you read 'man distcc' and 'man ccache' they talk about 'masquerading' to catch the compiler so they (distcc and ccache) kick in. alphageek put the work together there (interpreted man page to human readable for slackware) ; so that scripts make the symlinks for masquerading that goes hand in hand with his 'how to' (assuming I interpreted what he said to human readable in slack form :) [01:53] lol [01:53] hiptobecubic (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) left irc: "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 mph, you're gonna see some serious shit." [01:54] mordy, but I can vouche that , that script, does work for me quite well. [01:54] hmm.. let me run it then :P [01:54] mordy, you'll still need his 'c+,c-,dc+, dc-' and 'hostlist' file, and put them into /root/.distcc folder and source them as needed; they are at his site. [01:55] mwendi (n=moch@125.163.208.92) joined ##slackware. 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[01:56] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.125.97) left irc: "Leaving" [01:57] Hello [01:58] Action: mordy does man ccache. apparently it's some kind of cache which avoids needing to recompile code that hasn't changed [01:58] mordy, I run that script, I mkdir /root/.distcc , then I paste in /root/.distcc the c+,c-,dc+ and dc- scripts , I also paste in /root/.distcc the 'hostlist' file he has, I edit only the hostlist file for IP addresses on my distcc farm. then to build something (for ccache and distcc example ) is $ source ~/.distcc/dc+ && export MAKEJOBS='-j2' && ./appname.SlackBuild [01:58] hiptobecubic (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [01:59] hey look http://www.chippc.com/thin-clients/jack-pc/thin-client.asp?p=jack-pc-6900 [02:00] after the build runs tho..my "path" is still shown to be making calls to the dc+ location; you can see that by "echo $PATH" command at any time. you can check your MAKEJOBS by "echo $MAKEJOBS" [02:00] mordy, so if to turn of the path to dc+, it's as simple as $ source ~/.distcc/dc- ; and that's it. [02:01] or log in/out heh [02:01] mwendi (n=moch@125.163.208.92) left irc: [02:02] i'll probably modify the script if i intend to use it and change the directories to something not in a home directory [02:02] mordy, well here's the rationale before you do that [02:04] mordy, if you use slackware official, or slackbuilds.org buildscripts....they assume that you are running them as root. So keep that in mind (since your used to debian I threw that in there). but yes, you can put in /etc directory and what not. the man pages show the usual spots for the hostlist file. the other scripts he has, well that's not in the man page, that's his own tweakage to allow him to change his path and mak [02:04] ejobs and hosts on the fly, not setting them globally in a user or roots path by putting them into the /etc/profiled.d... [02:05] man i feel like a noob [02:05] linux will do that to ya [02:05] lol [02:06] mordy, it all sounds complex, but once you do it a few times, you won't even think about it [02:06] took me how long to learn cron and rsync enough to understand it and use it on simple measures [02:06] Cann0n, bet you won't forget tho now :) [02:06] i dunno bout that [02:06] cann0n, if it makes you feel better, i am far more a noob than you are [02:07] well mordy you havent been using slackware since 2000 [02:07] lol [02:07] me? [02:07] oh no [02:07] its raining :( [02:07] i've been using slackware since like last week [02:07] lol [02:07] lmao [02:08] i just use slackware. i know my way around but as far as things i did once or twice... i cant remember what i did [02:08] but hey, i used windows for 10 years and didn't know where to find things in the registry [02:08] Old_Fogie, also, i still get the dbus error when i run a simple python script to lookup dbus. I have no idea what's going on here. [02:08] oh this is just out of control http://hackaday.com/2008/12/21/tor-hardware-privacy-adapter/ [02:08] sergio (n=sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:09] sergio (n=sergio@201009145176.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [02:09] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [02:09] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:10] what is svc? [02:10] google... [02:10] hiptobecubic, I don't know about the python dbus stuff to be honest. [02:11] Old_Fogie, yeah i don't know what's going on [02:11] nullboy: cool [02:11] nullboy, that's pretty sweet [02:12] initself (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:12] hiptobecubic, you might want to pick rworkman's brain when you see him (but be forewarned, he was sitting on a bean bag farting iirc) [02:12] :) [02:12] Old_Fogie, sounds like the man for the job [02:12] lol [02:13] hiptobecubic, yea he spearheaded the dbus/hal for slack, so he knows a couple two/three things about it for sure [02:13] that thing has International Super Spy written all over it [02:13] what package contains the kernel source? i can only find one for smp [02:13] Old_Fogie, oh. peachy :D [02:14] mordy, there is only one source package for all kernels in slack, it's in the (k) section of the Slack cd's you bought [02:14] //end-purchasing-Slackware-advocacy :) [02:14] lol [02:15] sergio_ (n=sergio@201009145176.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [02:15] i thought everyone bought slackware 96.... [02:15] no? =) [02:15] kernel-source-2.6.27.7_smp-noarch-1 [02:15] name says it all :) See how simple slack is :) [02:15] but that's smp [02:16] what are you running? [02:16] slack was my first, and i shall always remember [02:16] 650 Mhz :| [02:16] mordy, you're fine [02:16] mordy, "uname -r" you're already running smp I presume :) [02:17] no, i'm using the generic huge kernel [02:17] mordy, I run a p166 "...with MMX Technology (R)" haway! and it runs smp fine..the code get's dropped on boot if smp cpu not found, look in dmesg [02:17] ROTFL [02:17] lol haway [02:17] argh. i need to configure a new kernel. my oldconfig doesnt seem to make a working kernel... well it does but i get tons of errors on 2.6.27.7 [02:17] i'll need to disable acpi and enable apm first of all [02:18] and higher [02:18] maybe i should use an older kernel? would that work better perhaps? [02:18] is a newer kernel always the best for old machines? [02:18] depends really. [02:19] mrselfpwn, if you truly and I mean truly need generic huge...then you'll need to apply a script that modifies your system headers. Do yourself a favor, make an entry in your lilo (in addition to what you have now) boot up smp, if it works...life will be easier. [02:19] i probably need to do the same mordy [02:19] my laptop runs at high temps [02:19] never triedapm [02:19] mordy, newer kernels for 650 no...unless they found a long standing regression that never get's caught... [02:20] mordy, but you'd have to read the changelogs every version to find out :( [02:20] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:20] sergio_ (n=sergio@201009145176.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:20] sergio_ (n=sergio@201009145176.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [02:20] hmm.. so what kernel version should i get for a circa 2002 computer? [02:21] all i know is debian's make menuconfig and make-kpkg [02:21] mordy, stock slackware 'vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.27.7-smp won't need an initrd, this is the kernel slack install in the installer, or vmlinuz-generic-smp-2.6.27.7-smp - needs an initrd [02:21] yeah, i guess 'huge' means no initrd [02:22] vmlinuz-generic-smp-2.6.27.7-smp <--- recommended after you make sure your system is ok etc and installed right. [02:22] mordy, correct [02:22] mordy, it builds in every drive controller and file system known to the kernel, [02:22] mordy, your first boot into Slackware, that was the smp kernel :) [02:22] and keeps it all in memory? :/ [02:22] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:23] mordy, true...but we dont' get people here with " I installed slackware and I cant boot" [02:23] sergio_ (n=sergio@201009145176.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:23] yeah, but with 192MB... i'd like to minimize memory usage as much as possible [02:23] i guess i'll need to learn how to make an initrd, it should't be so hard though [02:23] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:23] sergio_ (n=sergio@201009145176.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [02:24] from what i understand, it's just a miniature filesystem with some built-in modules [02:24] Old_Fogie, im gonna fedex you this laptop and i want you to configure the kernel for me. im far to lazy [02:24] lol [02:24] mordy, I meant run the huge-smp as a test to prove it to yourself, that smp is fine. the system headers (/usr/include) are for smp systems, if you run generic, with smp headers and compile stuff like modules, you'll have a bitch of a time [02:24] Cann0n, ok :) [02:25] ill send my oldconfig and you can deal with one-that-once-worked-right-but-fails-now [02:25] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:25] Old Fogie, 123 Fogie lane, Fogieville, New Fogia, 12345? [02:25] mordy, so if your "hell bent" on not having an smp kernel, you'll have to run the script in /extra of the cd's you bought ( :D ) and then go according to that readme...all that extra work..for err...nothing I find,and I run boxes slower than 650 mhz daily with less ram :) [02:25] zhngyng (n=chatzill@125.71.68.238) left irc: "‚»" [02:26] meh, my cd drive won't work with my CF disk anyway [02:26] Old_Fogie, how big is your swap? [02:26] i have a compact flash in the ide slot via an adapter, and the cd rom won't work [02:26] oh, and of course i'd be a fool to use swap with compact flash [02:26] mordy, a tweaked kernel running at run level3 is like 18 meg of ram, a ton of stuff pulled out..stock kernel huge smp is like 35, so we're only talking 17 meg of ram really fwiw [02:27] mines 1 gig some how.... and i dont think that is right for 256MB ram [02:27] I use 512 swap [02:27] sergio_ (n=sergio@201009145176.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:27] but I think I need to "up" that [02:27] I use swap alot [02:27] it's also good for hibernate [02:27] sergio_ (n=sergio@201009145176.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [02:27] many times, I'm into 400-500 meg of ram for swap [02:28] but that's on my boxes with 96mb ram [02:28] if you hibernate, i think you need (ram+swap)x2 [02:28] normally its x2 ram [02:29] and that doesn't make sense since swap is your hibernate space [02:29] I'm lucky that way, my laptops have their own voodoo via the bios for that [02:29] 1GB seems too high and i dont recall why its that high [02:30] i think i've got to optimize my nfs mount connection settings.. it's horrible :( [02:32] sergio (n=sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) left irc: Connection timed out [02:32] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [02:33] mordy, i use wsize and rsize=8192 [02:33] i like the number 8 [02:34] old_fogie 8192==100Mbit? [02:34] Will someone else test this python script? Maybe it just doesn't work? (although i suspect it does) http://rafb.net/p/bC6iz768.html [02:34] err.. no.. [02:40] Bamgerang! [02:40] lol [02:40] im bored. i lost focus [02:40] God, imapsync is a god send [02:41] im tired... might peoples [02:41] lol i'm getting tired too [02:41] night8 [02:41] i cant spell [02:41] sergio_ (n=sergio@201009145176.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:41] straterra, I've never used it, but I love imap :) [02:41] hey..... real quick [02:41] but this source is taking a zillion years just to install [02:41] sergio_ (n=sergio@201009145176.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [02:42] you know the buttons on the home keys? [02:42] Old_Fogie: directly syncs two imap servers [02:42] mordy, it's a few hundred meg [02:42] and seeing as one of my imap servers is on a 2 gigabit uplink..and the other is at google.. [02:42] straterra, interesting I'll have to check that out for sure [02:42] what if i dont have them, what would be a good homemade one [02:42] the dots [02:42] old_fogie, and i only have 911 meg remaining of free space [02:42] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [02:42] Action: godling waves [02:42] mordy, :D [02:43] cann0n, there's usually some kind of fn key combination you can use [02:43] straterra, if you ever get time to play, egroupware works really nice with imap [02:43] i mean the dots for feeling [02:43] oh [02:43] so you know the index fingers know [02:43] fj [02:43] ^^? that one? [02:44] i cant find a good solution [02:44] straterra, also has nice 'syncml' support to go to kontact, evolution as well. [02:44] u and h [02:44] dvorak keymap [02:44] oh [02:44] lol [02:44] I just built my mail server..and I'm syncing all of my gmail mail [02:44] i have to glance to check my fingers arent off and its getting annoying [02:45] well, maybe just apply a tiny dot of krazy glue? [02:45] straterra, ah I see. which imap server you prefer? I've been using courrier for about a year and half so far so good :) [02:45] yeah, or gouge the key with something sharp [02:45] thought about it but it well be a blob [02:45] you miight break the kes [02:45] Old_Fogie: I never could get courrier going [02:45] I'm running devocot [02:45] cann0n, the keys are pretty delicate [02:45] Cann0n: Use something that you can peel off later if you want to. [02:46] if ti's not a laptop, just get a dfferent key from another keyboard [02:46] straterra, ah , well that's a good one too, I've been meaning to try that one, I hear it's like lightening [02:46] its nice [02:46] godling, yeah exactly [02:46] laptop [02:46] how long have you been using dvorak? [02:46] i know like 4 keyboard layouts :| [02:46] eh, few months [02:47] lol [02:47] mordy, you only need one :) [02:47] hamburgle (n=harls@c-98-204-57-154.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:47] i type faster [02:47] hiptobecubic, not when you're dealing with different orthographies [02:47] though i do glance often... hence the dots are needed [02:47] Action: Old_Fogie goes to the kitchen and says...'hmmm all these people in ##slackware...gonna need a bigger pot o' coffee for all them" [02:48] mmm coffee [02:48] :D [02:48] :P i suppose if you want to include non-latin languages [02:48] brb [02:48] hiptobecubic, i do hebrew, arabic, and syriac :D [02:48] cool [02:48] well im out [02:49] later guys [02:49] later cann0n [02:49] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Leaving" [02:51] hmm.. the linux source doesn't just come in a bzip? [02:51] ? [02:51] the kernel comes in .bz2 or .gz [02:51] well, slackpkg decided to extract and decompress everything [02:52] whcih would be a nice gesture if my environment was ideal [02:52] i mean why would somoene install the source if they weren't planning on extracting it? [02:54] hba (n=hba@189.188.139.75) left irc: "leaving" [02:54] sergio_ (n=sergio@201009145176.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [02:55] and i can't really see what's taking so long [02:56] van_ (n=van@adsl16-84.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:56] network trafic isn't more than a few KB here and there, both the host and the client cpus are pretty much idle [02:56] lots of disk activity though. can a disk really be that crappy? 25MB/s in half duplex? [02:56] err.. or no duplex, sorry [02:58] Just throwing this out there. If anyone is using xfce-terminal and nvidia's drivers and notices that the redraw time is slow try; nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=2 ; [02:58] the nvidia forums has that fix for all sorts of things [02:58] is there anything really good about xfce-terminal? [02:59] Action: mordy likes gnome-terminal [02:59] v4nelle (n=van@adsl46-33.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:59] Action: briareus likes Eterm and aterm [02:59] hmm.. my xfterm crashes [03:00] yakuake is nice, but i don't like the fact that it doesn't have a title bar, although it's like that by design [03:00] mordy, what does gnome-terminal do that's so different and great? [03:01] hiptobecubic, for one, it doesn't crash. i just like that it has a nice menu on right-click [03:01] mordy, it sounds like a local issue. i think xfce-terminal is thing i have that's never crashed. [03:01] Old_Fogie: too bad imapsync isnt multithreaded..im pegging a core [03:01] it also auto-detects links so you can right click on them and select if you want to view it in an issue [03:01] Also, it has the right click menu. [03:02] I cant even recall a terminal crashing, but then I use basically only Eterm, aterm, rxvt, and occasionally xterm [03:02] hiptobecubic, and lets you change profiles on the fly? [03:02] straterra, woh that stinks [03:02] its perl [03:02] what do you expect? [03:02] true [03:02] and link detection :D and transparency and it's an xterm AND you can change profiles and it has dynamic title [03:02] and tabs [03:03] tabs in a terminal? [03:03] thats what screen is for :) [03:03] i still like uusing my mouse for stuff [03:03] I'm the opposite, I touch my mouse as little as possible [03:03] tease your cat with ? [03:03] especially considering that there are some programs out there that have special key codes and catch all kinds of weird stuff [03:03] briareus: using a mouse can be nice [03:04] my hot keys are set in fluxbox to tab around to, move, and shutter my windows [03:04] briareus: I find myself using tabs in konsole often [03:04] briareus, sure if you like that stupid visual bell and pushing extra buttons to achieve the same thing :D [03:04] I try never to take my hands frmo the keyboard, I get a lot done fast [03:04] digitizer's where it's at , with icons on your mousepad! that's what real men use [03:04] mouse = waste [03:04] oops spilled coffee on the digitizer pad ..oh well no work now :) [03:04] briareus, who said anything about a mouse? [03:04] briareus, something things are quicker done with a mouse [03:04] i did. [03:04] hiptobecubic: xdan779 did [03:05] and i'm proud of it! [03:05] mordy: like what [03:05] briareus, like graphic design. [03:05] ... well duh [03:05] briareus, let's say, for instance, someone posts a link in irssi [03:05] you asked! [03:05] mordy: ok [03:06] highlight to paste? sure thats handy [03:06] or simply right click and let it open the default browser [03:06] mordy, links are bad..they usually use DNS [03:06] lol [03:07] it doesn't change my point that I get more done faster the less I have to touch a mouse, even admitting all your special cases [03:07] Action: Old_Fogie doesn't use DNS given the current state of the internets [03:07] old_fogie, you advocate using ip-only links? :P [03:07] mordy, that's right [03:07] I'm a Slackware advocate, and IP-only-links advocate. [03:07] I like to truly keep is stable, secure and simple [03:07] and as for graphics, when I do that, I use my stylus :) [03:07] briareus; that much is true [03:07] a keyboard is far quicker than a mouse for things in which both have a straighforward way of doing it [03:08] unless you need to aim a fps [03:08] the mouse is right there ( --> ) a few inches away, but I try not to touch it [03:08] old_fogie, but howw do you browse the internet? via dig? [03:08] mordy, no type numbers [03:08] lol [03:09] renew01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-154-70.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:09] straterra: I suppose if I played any games I would use a mouse, but I sit in front of computer long enough that if I gamed, I'd be a fat ass [03:09] mordy, I have a marble bound notebook that I keep the IP's in [03:09] old_fogie, but you'd need to do some kind of dns lookup if someone gave you, say asciipr0n.com [03:09] well...two now [03:09] ROTFL [03:09] mordy, no I type the numbers till I get the page I want [03:09] lol [03:09] haha [03:09] Old_Fogie: who's at 69.69.69.69 [03:10] takes some time, but I'm old I got patience and nothing better to do. that's why I keep the marble bound notebook. [03:10] I can't remember it all tho. [03:10] the-coolest-ip-on-the-net.com [03:10] gimme a few days [03:10] it doesnt load for me [03:10] mordy, my system's working so far so good, but when Ipv6 is more mainstream, I may have to rethink my processes' [03:10] old_fogie, maybe write a script that does ip caching and looks for keywords in webpages [03:10] it's either a massive sex site or a massive yin yang site [03:13] "RoadKill is the world's first video game created entirely in MS Access 2000." [03:13] ROTFL [03:13] anybody using this adobe media player on slack? looks pretty neat [03:13] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [03:14] tho it's flashed based, I should probably already know the answer [03:15] Ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) joined ##slackware. [03:15] "Sorry, your platform is not supported." oh , that answer that [03:16] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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If I unplug the modem from runlevel 1, it shows a message that rndis_host is unloaded. And then if I modprobe it, it shows that eth0 is back. In runlevel 3 or 4, it won't register my eth0 back. [03:23] isn't distccmon-gnome supposed to show something when i do make menuconfig? [03:24] or do i need to feed something specific to make in order to have it use distcc [03:26] mordy, the quickest way to get distcc going is to use some env variables [03:26] mordy, make menuconfig takes a long time for me too (10s ?), it's much faster (2s or less) once the various files are in cache but it shouldn't take minutes [03:27] make CC=distcc [03:28] agiofws_ (n=agiofws@athedsl-245702.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:28] ah [03:30] why is the KDE 4 Slackbuild installing packages after compiling? [03:30] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-249321.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Nick collision from services. [03:30] Nick change: agiofws_ -> Agiofws [03:31] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-245702.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [03:31] mordy_ (n=mordy@pool-141-157-226-242.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:31] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-245702.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:31] night all have fun [03:31] lol [03:31] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [03:33] Ivo, well there's numerous programs that make up KDE-4, so they have to (a) built - since you dont have them (b) installed so you can (c)build the next app in line leading to (d) a full working kde4 DE. [03:33] oh, yes :) [03:35] Old_Fogie, you got those steps all wrong. 1 build first app. 2 install. 3 build second app. 4 install. 5 config error on third app. 6 discover version mismatch. 7 partially remove app 1 because you can't figure out the problem. 8 now app 2 is broken. 9 throw computer in the trash. 10 ??? 11 profit. [03:36] hiptobecubic, heh :) [03:38] now i wish i knew what to put in all these MTRR options [03:38] mordy_, same here [03:39] oh, i'm with an underscore now, hehe [03:39] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn209.78-99-209.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [03:39] night all (honestly this time) [03:39] hiptobecubic, g'night [03:42] ataxic_ (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [03:43] mordy (n=mordy@pool-68-160-226-210.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:43] zhngyng (n=chatzill@125.71.68.238) joined ##slackware. [03:43] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [03:44] Nick change: ataxic_ -> ataxic [03:46] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:47] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-59-225.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [03:48] there's virtually nothing on the internet that seems to tell me some kernel configurations for my mahcine :( [03:49] just use the kernel configurations that come with slackware [03:49] edit them in order to meet your needs [03:49] mordy_, lscpi -vvv ; and lshal ; and lsmod are your friend [03:49] ivo, a trillion things are broken [03:49] old_fogie, true [03:50] i can afterall google for specific configurations related to my kernel [03:53] captainchris (n=captainc@ANice-157-1-100-129.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:54] lol, we on that again? [03:54] mordy_: why do you need custom kernel after all? [03:54] mistell [03:55] I use custom kernel and am very happy. [03:56] if more things are in modules, that won't slow the machine down [03:56] ivo, many things are broken [03:56] udev loads only neaded modules :) [03:56] no harm in learning to install the kernel by hand [03:56] right [03:56] i guess this isn't a good thing: Subsystem: IBM Unknown device 01ab [03:57] mordy_: and so the learning process begins [03:57] Ether_Man_ (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [03:57] file: IBM Unknown device 01ab is a symlink to /dev/fail [03:58] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [03:58] xdan779, the problem is that i'm using a pretty old mahcine and i can't find any information on it [03:58] mordy_: old machine isnt very descriptive I still have my 386 ast lying around here somewhere [03:59] Yeah, watch this "old" stuff will ya :) [03:59] lol [03:59] i think i found something: http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0103.3/0953.html [04:00] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:00] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:00] obnauticus_ (n=lol@c-71-236-130-104.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:00] err.. that won't help me really, it just makes me feel good that someone else has this problem [04:01] mordy_: that isnot a problem in the link you gave it still tells what you need to know [04:02] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Connection timed out [04:02] it tells me some incomprehensible C code [04:02] lol [04:03] well it is safer to use machine language than en_US given the state of computers these days [04:03] mordy_: lspci does not output c code [04:03] Tranny (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-be0a2d94fd7c77a7) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:04] Can't be too secure, no DNS, no en_US, just IP's and machine language, yup that's best bet. [04:04] that message board thread was pretty much C code [04:04] mordy_: ok but what problem are you having [04:06] xdan779, no power management whatsoever (no cpufreq or anything like that works), computer won't turn off halt/reboot won't actually turn off/ reboot, X disables all of the terminals, etc. [04:08] mordy_: thats a start so you have no power management, that is a start [04:09] older hardware may require apm support as oppsed to acpi [04:09] from what I can see apm has been removed from the latest kernel [04:10] yes, and i'm looking for apm, but i need to have "VOYAGER_X86" disabled, whatever that means [04:10] and i can't find that [04:11] and btw, that problem discussed in the thread i linked to - i have that too :P [04:11] if you cannot find a config option in the kernel you can always open your .config file and search [04:12] mordy_, try pressing "/" then type VOYAGER to search for that when in configuring the .config file [04:12] xdan, i thought menuconfig was just a graphical representation of it though [04:12] tank-man, that's exactly what i did, but i can't find it where it says i should finds it [04:12] mordy_: menuconfig is [04:12] mordy_, "yes, and i'm looking for apm" <-- are you _not_ able to shut down your pc? Is that what this is about? [04:12] but it does not have a search option like less does [04:13] or insert your favorite text editor [04:13] old_fogie, that is one of the problems [04:13] mordy_, ok let me get the exact line for lilo for you [04:13] xdan779, it does have search by / [04:14] mordy_: ahh you are right :-) case sensitive [04:14] make sure you search VOYAGER in caps [04:14] yeah, / finds it [04:15] mordy_, at top of /etc/lilo.conf in append line, you'd have ----> append=" vt.default_utf8=0 apm=power-off" [04:15] mordy_, then you update the boot record to reflect that with "lilo" as root. [04:15] mordy_, that's it. [04:16] Old_Fogie: APM does not appear to be supported in the latest call [04:16] Depends on: !X86_VOYAGER && X86_32 && PM_SLEEP [04:16] it won't be if he doesnt add that , acpi tries to over-ride it at boot [04:17] Old_Fogie: I know it has been a depricated option in the past but I do not even see it as a depricated option in 2.6.28 [04:18] or you ?may? need to have # CONFIG_APM=y <-- rarely have I seen that tho. [04:18] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-199225.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:18] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:18] now i can't find X86_32 :| [04:19] yes, and i'm looking for apm [04:19] bah! [04:19] grep CONFIG_APM config-huge-smp-2.6.27.7-smp [04:19] CONFIG_APM=m [04:20] it's already built mordy, [04:20] you have to have lilo call for it [04:20] read /etc/rc.d/rc.modules in section acpi you'll see what's goin on. [04:21] ok... let's see if this works [04:21] one sec. [04:21] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [04:22] surprising that a 650mhz box doesnt do acpi tho, you might be able to use the # append = " acpi=force" option, I can even on 300 mhz boxen. [04:25] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.81.28.86) joined ##slackware. [04:28] hmm.. trying, this thing takes a while to startup [04:28] (i need to trim the kernel, don't need all those raid stuff) [04:28] and 'poweroff' still doesn't power off [04:31] which kernel ? [04:31] mordy_: maybe your machine doesn't support ACPI :D [04:32] generic huge.. i'll try the huge-smp although i doubt there's a difference [04:32] in this regard, but still, just to verify [04:32] if you tried the "apm = poweroff" and "acpi=force" and both don't work, your probably doing something wrong, or you're using a custom kernel (and /etc/rc.d/rc.acpid is not executable) [04:35] old_fogie, are the two mutually exclusive? [04:36] mordy_: what kernel version are you trying to compile and where did you get it from [04:37] i did a search for "linux voyager acpi" and saw some recent posts about fixes/patches. maybe it just doesnt work yet [04:37] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [04:37] xdan779, the one that comes with slackware, 2.6.27-smp [04:38] mordy_, yes the two are separate. apm was before acpi. acpi supersedes apm. [04:38] Action: zeroXzero is away: sleepy [04:38] hmm.. modprobe apm works [04:38] mordy_: Old_Fogie is right then apm should work fine with "apm = poweroff" [04:38] mordy_, if you tried both (and separate frome each other) then you got issues :( [04:38] mordy_, it works? [04:39] yeah lol [04:39] i shoudl have tried it in the beginning [04:39] ok and you issued shutdown and it goes down? [04:39] and powers off? [04:39] waiting.. [04:40] probably won't, kernel needs that on the command line [04:40] which is what I gave you for the lilo file. [04:40] now it does [04:41] krux0 (n=richard@ool-182c9ffc.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [04:41] mordy_, and you have the apm line in lilo? [04:41] now let me see if it's simply a matter of not having modprobe apm in rc.modules [04:41] so you dont need to manually modprobe it? [04:41] old_fogie: forgot [04:41] ah ok [04:41] yea well get it :) [04:41] i use grub anyway :P [04:41] but same thing in this regard [04:41] yup [04:42] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:43] captainchris (n=captainc@ANice-157-1-100-129.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:43] nathan- (n=nathan@121-55-237-126.dynamic.c100.guam.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:44] old_fogie, but it still doesnt' solve my problem with X though [04:44] and the terminals all being irrecoverable after it starts [04:45] mordy_, well one thing at a time man :) is the power matter resolved now or what? [04:45] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.55.7) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:45] old_fogie, i still need to configure the battery and the like etc. [04:45] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.12.243.32) joined ##slackware. [04:46] but since my focus is on the kernel now, i think it's resolved for now [04:46] mordy_, what I mean is, are you now able to boot up, then say shutdown, and it shutdown and power off completely on it's own... without your issuing any commands or hax? [04:46] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn2-212-50-134-15.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [04:46] hax lol; but yeah, poweroff works [04:46] ok [04:47] and i feel like a real idiot for not trying modprobe apm earlier [04:47] :D [04:47] hate to say I told ya so [04:47] what's wrong with X tho? [04:47] old_fogie, i've been complaining about it for a while. basically, once x starts, all my terminals (i.e. 1-6) are disabled [04:48] that's normal [04:48] just fix your inittab [04:48] there are some lines: [04:48] mordy_, what d'ya think I read every line in here all night? [04:48] lol [04:48] mordy_, :D that's normal [04:48] # These are the standard console login getties in multiuser mode: [04:48] c1:1235:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty1 linux [04:48] ivo, it should work if i do init 3 though, no? [04:48] and so on... [04:48] mordy_, like Ivo said take a look see [04:48] just edit the 1235 to 12345 [04:48] ivo, those lines are there [04:49] I know, but add 4 there [04:49] on all this lines [04:49] mordy_, "telinit 3" is "more proper" fwiw [04:49] just edit 1235 to 12345 ;) [04:49] hmm.. let me try that [04:49] ivo, those numbers are run levels, no? [04:49] yes, in which runlevels the terminals will be started [04:49] no [04:50] oh misread that nm [04:50] there are 6 lines that have to be edited actualy ;) [04:50] one for each terminal [04:51] ivo, but when X exits, thew same problem reappears [04:51] although i don't know how adding 4 there would help [04:51] just enter as root: [04:51] init 3 [04:51] and the terminals should start [04:52] ivo; but they don't :P [04:52] and no error messages anywhere i can find [04:52] strange... [04:52] BTW: [04:52] annd tis happens with debian too, which has 12345 in those lines [04:52] give the output of "ldd /sbin/agetty | grep not" [04:54] ivo, it's blank [04:55] and init 3 doesn't exit x either [04:57] well, time to get on with the day here. see you all. [04:57] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [04:59] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.81.28.86) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:00] so.. if debian has the same problem... [05:00] it's a kernel issue [05:00] it must be a kernel one.. but why exactly tty [05:00] since puppy linux and DSL work fine [05:01] I think they are outdated :D [05:01] in kernels... [05:01] puppies are outdated? :O [05:01] they use 2.4, don't they? [05:01] i don't know what puppy uses.. let me check [05:01] DSL uses something old though, yes [05:01] 2.4, I'm sure about it [05:02] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-9365cc9091645c2d) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:02] ivo, it uses 2.6 :P [05:03] http://puppylinux.com/download/index.html [05:04] but what version exactly [05:04] and what tty daemon [05:04] you can check in inittab ;) [05:04] of puppy? [05:04] 2.6.21 and 25 [05:05] I saw it in the website... [05:05] i don't know which version i tried, but i don't think there would really be a difference [05:05] but what's the tty daemon [05:05] it's possible... [05:05] hmm... my cd drive no longer works... i guess i can google "puppy getty" and "puppy agetty" and see which one has more hits? [05:06] errr... "Getty Images - Rescuing Ritz the Puppy" [05:06] ROTFL [05:06] :D [05:06] maybe - but if you have the ISO just mount it somewhere, [05:06] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [05:06] then mount the compressed file system [05:06] cd in SQUASHFS_MOUNT_POINT/sbin [05:07] it uses getty [05:07] and do ls | grep tty [05:07] ok... [05:07] and slackware uses agetty [05:07] but debian uses getty too, i think [05:07] let me see.. [05:07] oh no... [05:07] it's just kernel related unexplainable problem :D [05:07] or hardware-related [05:08] ivo, it could be hardware related [05:08] try booting it in framebuffer mode [05:08] but sicne it works on some kernels and some configurations, there must be a solution [05:08] or if you are booting it in framebuffer mode, try not booting it :D [05:08] ivo, i've tried both with and without fb [05:08] yes, but it's hardware related [05:08] and you can use ls /sbin/*tty :P [05:08] well yeah, this thing has 2 MB of video ram [05:09] not to mention an "unknown" subsystem [05:09] what the f***??? [05:09] how do you run X?? [05:09] ivo, xterm 640x480 [05:09] 8 bit [05:09] I don't think running X is possible at all :D [05:10] windows works on it, puppy works [05:10] what windows? 3.1 :D [05:10] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.81.21.7) joined ##slackware. [05:10] 2000 [05:10] DOS-based :D [05:10] this laptop came with windows 2000 installed [05:10] wow that's strange :D [05:10] have you seen the windows 7's requirements :D : D [05:11] lol, i haven't even used vista [05:11] stopped with XP, then switched to linux a few months ago [05:11] I have used XP for 2 years and I don't want to test more windows-es [05:11] Ivo: what are they [05:11] and from a year I use Linux :P [05:11] ivo, i'm guessing i can get the puppy config and compare it against the slack config? [05:11] 1 GB RAM Minimum... [05:12] 512 MB Video memory :D [05:12] ivo, that's insane, re: video memory [05:12] i got only 256 :-/ [05:12] yes, just try diff-ing it, but, [05:12] I don't think the issue is related to this [05:12] It's pure hardware problem [05:12] ivo - but it should be somethihng fixable in the kernel [05:13] maybe.. [05:13] but it may be something not related to the kernel [05:13] related to X for example [05:13] and how tty-s use memory [05:14] ivo, maybe -- and puppy uses a different type of X [05:14] "Xvesa" i don't know how that works [05:14] no, just a different X configuration [05:14] oh, the drivers matter, too [05:14] i've tried with XFree86 and got a kernel error [05:14] ivo, i use the siliconmotion driver [05:14] and the vesa driver [05:14] they both give the same results [05:15] wow.. :D [05:15] kernel error... [05:15] ivo, the kernel happens when it scans the pci bus [05:15] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [05:15] I'm not surprised really... you have 2 MB memory [05:16] ivo, but i'm trying to run 640x480x8 [05:16] that's really not a lot [05:16] yes... but still: it's an X [05:16] only the tty-s/framebuffers consume 2 MB [05:16] and with puppy i can do 1024x768 with ease [05:16] ivo, that's what i was thinking [05:17] but i don't get any memory errors [05:17] i think it's more related to the pci bus [05:18] I don't think there is any visible way to fix this [05:18] it might be something related even to the memory managment [05:18] ivo, mtrr thingies? [05:19] it's possible... [05:19] ivo, i thihnk it's the pci subsystem [05:20] I think you should not start X at all :D [05:20] my NIC won't come back on after suspend [05:20] :( [05:20] suspend? [05:20] with what? [05:20] Reaver_1 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [05:21] are you using something in user space or the default kernel hibernate feature (activated by editing some things in /sys) [05:21] ivo, apparently apm puts the computer to sleep when i discoonnect it from power or when i shut the screen [05:22] just disable apm :D [05:22] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [05:23] but he needed apm to shutdown/halt properly [05:23] ivo, then the computer won't turn off :| [05:23] heh [05:23] mordy_: I think that is done with ACPI [05:23] I don't have APM and it works fine.. but I use a PC :D [05:23] ivo, old laptops don't support acpi [05:23] they use apm [05:24] no problem.. just edit the apm configuration [05:24] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [05:25] hmm.. where? [05:25] don't know how to deal with apm [05:28] krux0 (n=richard@ool-182c9ffc.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Leaving" [05:28] just search in /etc [05:28] find . | grep apm [05:28] or find . -file "apm" [05:28] I like grep more :) [05:28] abendrot (n=shevek@athedsl-191195.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:29] ivo, maybe something like apropos apm [05:30] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.12.243.32) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:30] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:30] Nick change: abendrot -> hep [05:30] Nick change: hep -> aperturefecer [05:32] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-86-126-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [05:33] i don't know why 'apm' is considered 'advanced' [05:34] it was advanced once.. :D [05:34] sitwon_ (n=adam@pool-72-83-122-133.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:35] ACPI's "a" also stands for advanced [05:35] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-199225.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [05:35] Nick change: aperturefecer -> aperturefever [05:36] Nick change: aperturefever -> help [05:36] ##slackware: mode change '+b help!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [05:36] help kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: requested [05:36] ivo, well acpi is better than apm, i think [05:36] although come to think of it, i really don't see how :P [05:36] of course [05:37] apm does standby, hibernate, suspend and battery monitoring [05:37] there are more power states.. so on... [05:37] ahh yes, profiles too [05:37] acpi does the same, but not automaticly [05:37] you need a seperate daemon to do this [05:37] (hibernating when needed) [05:37] apmd [05:38] sitwon (n=adam@pool-96-241-160-19.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [05:38] hmm... how do i get cpufreq to work? [05:39] obnauticus_ (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [05:39] what is it's problem [05:40] well, i just don't have it :P [05:40] 'modprobe acpi-cpufreq' ? [05:40] oh, it's an acpi module? [05:40] install the package :D [05:41] it seems that it is [05:41] there's no package \*cpufreq\* [05:42] (to hopefully escape the irssi bold :P) [05:42] but I don't even know what is it... [05:42] ivo, speedstepping [05:42] seems that it's a kernel module that comes in other package /acpi package maybe/ [05:42] basically underclocking [05:42] it must be build-in [05:42] I mean.. [05:42] that comes with slackware [05:43] there's no "cpufreqd" in all of slackware [05:43] but there is the kernel module [05:43] TwinReverb wrote a nice script for it. [05:43] in the kernel-modules package [05:43] as for the daemon, [05:43] ivo, and therefore i should vbe able to run "cpufreq-info" or something like that [05:44] the daemon lets you configure different profiles [05:44] so what version of slack are you running [05:44] 12.2 [05:44] Nick change: mrselfpwn -> slackpower [05:44] Minagi (n=Minagi@pool-71-248-44-75.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:44] http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-12.2/PACKAGES.TXT [05:44] search that for cpufreq :D [05:45] no, it isn't there [05:45] I've searched it [05:45] On-line, battery charging: 99% [05:45] (that's from APM) [05:46] http://www.slacky.eu/aadm/pkgs/index.php?ver=3&pkg=1099 [05:46] man, it's so old, it even has a hyphen in "On-line" [05:46] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-236-157.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [05:46] Srbo_ (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-236-157.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [05:46] Srbo_ (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-236-157.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:46] http://www.slacky.eu/aadm/pkgs/index.php?ver=3&pkg=355 [05:46] install those ;) [05:46] which link is it? [05:46] both [05:46] what are the package names? [05:46] the first is cpufrequtils, [05:46] the second is cpufreqd [05:46] oh [05:47] test [05:48] maybe this will be of some help [05:48] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/rc.cpufreq [05:48] I wonder why there aren't cpufreq packages for 12.2 already :D [05:48] though i have not read the whole conversation [05:48] if there aren't, the 12.1 ones must work ;) [05:49] let me rmmod apm so i can close the lid without being disconnected and let me ssh and config [05:49] e01 (n=e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [05:49] what a PITA apm is lol [05:49] the packages aren't rebuilded for the next version only if there are compatible with the new one and there isn't a new version of the program of which the package is [05:49] but there must be a way to configure it [05:50] Action: mordy_ thinks he should have installed 12.1 [05:51] but folks, i am tired [05:52] so later everyone, and thanks to those that helped. i will be bothering you again tomorrow ;) [05:52] :) bye [05:59] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-236-157.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:04] where have I become? [06:07] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:08] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:08] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.238.226) joined ##slackware. [06:10] lowkyalur (n=low@icm13-orange.orange.sk) joined ##slackware. [06:10] dark_messiah (i=dark_mes@78.142.49.143) joined ##slackware. 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[06:34] slow day, eh? [06:35] http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/52/m_3e7f7d3a57fa4ea481173e61026c515b.jpg [06:35] cool looking chick yet otherwise non-appropriate [06:35] slackytude, webkit-gtk cross-compilation day ;) [06:35] :) [06:37] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) joined ##slackware. [06:38] I like those shades [06:38] dorayakikun (n=chotib@114.58.84.142) joined ##slackware. [06:38] and want to know where to get some [06:42] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:43] pip_ (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [06:44] Nick change: pip_ -> pip [06:44] mrselfpwn: That's Natalie Portman. [06:44] from "l [06:44] from "Leon" [06:44] Camarade_Tux, fun ^-^ [06:44] yes, awesome movie [06:44] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Client Quit [06:44] aye [06:44] slackytude: It was called "The Professional" here in the US. [06:45] Ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) left ##slackware. [06:45] eh, "Leon, Der Profi" "Leon, the professional" over here [06:45] slackytude: In the US they cut out the scene in teh restaurant where she tries to kiss him, too. [06:45] figures [06:45] Yes godling [06:45] I thought she looked like her [06:45] mrselfpwn: That's a good movie, you might like it. [06:45] but the shades [06:45] I saw it yes [06:45] Ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) joined ##slackware. [06:46] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-4-99-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:46] it was very good [06:46] well, call her and ask [06:46] thankyou [06:46] damnit slacky that don't help [06:46] :) [06:46] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-194062.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:46] :P [06:47] :D [06:47] tntslack (n=will@194.219.37.9) joined ##slackware. [06:47] >:| [06:47] Ive got the directoors cut of that movie flying around somewhere here [06:47] :P [06:47] any suggestion for a cue splitter ? 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[07:03] lowkyalur (n=low@icm13-orange.orange.sk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [07:03] hello [07:03] how can i resume to hibernated [07:03] when i using pm-hibernate [07:03] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:04] when i power on computer it show me message resuming but won`t [07:07] e01 (n=e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:07] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:09] slackytude2 (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [07:09] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Nick collision from services. [07:09] Nick change: slackytude2 -> slackytude [07:10] crappy connection [07:10] burn in hell, t-online [07:10] Nick change: lw0x15_ -> lw0x15 [07:11] my core1 usage is 100% :s [07:11] overall 60% [07:12] no idea why its so big [07:12] e01 (n=e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [07:12] re: [07:13] e01, you mean it doesn't *manage* to properly resume or something else ? [07:13] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn2-212-50-134-15.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:13] yes [07:13] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: Client Quit [07:14] show me message resuming, waiting a few seconds and then run lilo [07:14] i was added resume=/dev/hda1 option to lilo append but result are same [07:14] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [07:14] Avelino (n=Avelino@200-171-137-196.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:16] Action: Camarade_Tux wonders why it would reboot upon failure [07:16] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062140113.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:16] e01, which graphic driver are you using ? [07:16] nvidia [07:17] this: NVIDIA-Linux-x86-180.22-pkg1.run [07:18] slackytude2 (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [07:18] there are significance? [07:19] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Nick collision from services. [07:19] Nick change: slackytude2 -> slackytude [07:19] slackytude, very crappy as far as I can see ;p [07:19] Action: slackytude nods [07:19] yeah :( [07:19] e01, very often the graphic drivers are problematic [07:20] am.. [07:20] especially intel :/ [07:20] if i logoff from xfce and will try only with console login ? [07:21] no, nvidia is fine for suspend [07:21] oh.. i am not using suspend, and hibernate [07:21] e01: /usr/doc/pm-utils-1.2.3/README.SLACKWARE [07:22] oh my bad, hibernate, that's completely different :oops: [07:22] ;) there is show to resume in /dev/hda2 [07:22] but boot from hda1 what mean this? [07:23] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:23] have i have additional drive for hibernation image? [07:23] resume= [07:23] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn209.78-99-209.t-com.sk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:23] oh.. swap :), okay will try [07:24] you will also need more swap space than you have memory [07:25] there is also a dire warning about that in the kernel [07:25] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.238.226) left irc: "É isso aí rapaziada!" [07:25] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "It's not my problem." [07:26] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:26] g2g to work, later slackers. [07:29] gl [07:29] e01 (n=e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:30] e01 (n=e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [07:30] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:32] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:33] hm [07:33] looks to work :) [07:33] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:33] but have and issue with network [07:34] i have to restart the /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 to running network correctly [07:34] Reaver_1 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: "Leaving." [07:35] kama (n=kama@host235-34-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:36] slackytude2 (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [07:36] kama (n=kama@host235-34-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:37] (##slackware) Channel ban on help!*@* expired. [07:37] ##slackware: mode change '-b help!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [07:37] slackytude, very very very crappy connection ;p [07:37] I know, I know [07:37] e01, not really surprising [07:38] gonna be offline and take the dog for a walk soon anyway [07:38] gotta write some emails first [07:38] write it, wait for connection, send it [07:38] great fun [07:39] should artsd be using cpu ALL the time? [07:39] artsd is crap [07:39] vinnie_, how much cpu ? [07:40] I remember I dropped arts* because it kept using a few percent of cpu power even though nothing was being played [07:40] yes [07:40] usualy between 2 and 6%, but after about 1.5 to 2 days of uptime artsd crashes from overload [07:40] and restarts its self [07:41] should i remove artsd and will i still have sound? [07:43] Nick change: Mess[i]ah -> Emess [07:43] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:43] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:43] I think it took around 4% for me [07:43] vinnie_, you can perfectly do that, I did [07:43] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:43] how do i remove it? [07:44] you can probably uninstall the package or check if there's something in /etc/rc.d (I don't remember), then just tell your apps to use alsa [07:44] remove it? you shouldn't have to [07:44] and what will i have to replace it with [07:44] you can go to kcontrol and disale it [07:44] er disable it [07:45] or if it's giving you issues, you can set it up for alsa dmix and see if that helps [07:45] er nevermind [07:45] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:47] Camarade_Tux, TwinReverb, thanx for the input [07:48] if it happens again, i will post the exact error im getting [07:50] k [07:51] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:53] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "Leaving." 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[08:22] what command does the slackware install CD use to check the hard drive for bad sectors? [08:24] it doesn't that i am aware [08:24] maybe on the swap partition, but not on the others that i am aware [08:24] i think it's /sbin/badblocks [08:25] ok [08:26] Slackware installer uses the bad block check option of mkfs.* [08:26] ok, thanks [08:27] However, mkfs.xfs does not have that as an option and therefore as far as I know, when you pick XFS filesystem, no option is offered to check for badblocks [08:28] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:28] is it the same for jfs? [08:29] No, jfs has that option, but with reiserfs you will also not be able to select a badblock check [08:29] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [08:31] hmm i will consider that next time i'll change fs :/ [08:32] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.10) joined ##slackware. [08:33] why does updatedb [08:33] hog up cpu so much [08:34] because it does [08:34] if you never use slocate you can probably shut off the cron job [08:35] does slocate equal to locate ? [08:35] vdv (i=1000@pop-31b-143.azeronline.com) joined ##slackware. [08:35] hi all [08:36] updatedb can be annoying :-/ [08:36] heret|c (n=heretic@adsl-176-73-197.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [08:37] hi all [08:38] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [08:38] updatedb use only 30% of one cpu and is fine... [08:38] it uses 100% of my 1st cpu [08:38] lol [08:38] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.87.109) joined ##slackware. [08:38] hi [08:39] well, then there is something other that use your cpu... [08:39] yeah obv [08:39] but not 100% of it ? [08:39] firefox is second one with around 12% [08:39] check your status with htop [08:40] i use top [08:40] top is showing rong [08:40] what's the best way to copy files from one pc to another (both pc's have slackware installed and connected with ethernet cable)? [08:40] htop is better [08:40] how come it shows wrong ? [08:40] rworkman: the man maintainer wrote me and said the following: http://rafb.net/p/ZmOhks13.html [08:40] darn firefox.. i hope you freeze in the depths of north pole [08:40] lol [08:40] well check it your self and will understand it ;) [08:41] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [08:41] + i dont have htop [08:41] download it [08:41] never underestimate the bandwidth of a barefoot kid with a handfull of CDRs & thumbdrives [08:41] slackbuld [08:41] why ? top is doing pretty much the same job as htop [08:42] not [08:42] Pig_Pen: loLoLOlL [08:42] tntslack: explain then... [08:43] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [08:43] derived from the original saying "never underestimate the bandwidth of a stationwagon full of digital tapes" [08:43] lw0x15 i was using too top for a wile, and every time when i was checking status, there was 1.2gb of ram using... and i got only 70 proc. running. then i decided to run htop, and saw the different [08:44] http://blog.dotkam.com/2007/04/16/sexy-top-vs-more-human-htop/ but i dont fully agree that one is better than the other [08:44] my English is bad, and can't explain it well, so try it your self ;) [08:45] mia xara einai ta agglika sou ;p [08:46] aperturefever na se kala re :) [08:46] ;) [08:46] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn2-212-50-134-15.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [08:48] aperturefever kai esu slackware? [08:49] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [08:50] bombuzal (n=bombuzal@unaffiliated/bombuzal) joined ##slackware. [08:50] yeap tntslack.. its addictive [08:51] aperturefever i am happy when hearing ppl from our country using slackware ;) [08:52] root__ (n=nukedclx@aejl143.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:52] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejl143.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:52] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "leaving" [08:53] lw0x15 did you install it? [08:59] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:00] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:00] slackytude2 (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [09:01] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:03] Nick change: slackytude2 -> slackytude [09:03] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [09:05] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: "leaving" [09:07] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. 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[09:28] maybe it be niced down [09:28] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [09:28] hamburgle (n=harls@c-98-204-57-154.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:30] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.87.109) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [09:32] get a faster system [09:32] run it when you're sleeping [09:32] yeah run it while you're sleeping [09:33] to do that, edit the crontab [09:33] and if you're an ultra-noob, try this: (as root) VISUAL=nano crontab -e [09:33] isnt it run at 4am by default? [09:33] yep [09:33] i set mine to the middle of my sleep cycle so that i know it's normally going to run while i'm asleep [09:33] so, dont stay awake that long :P [09:35] wouldnt it be better to set it so it goes off once a week ? [09:35] whatever rocks your boat [09:36] is there a command to check bios version via command line? [09:36] negative [09:37] hmm, isnt the a kernel option to expose stuff from bios to /proc ? [09:37] hmm [09:37] there might be [09:37] although I dunno.. [09:38] checking proc [09:38] Action: slackytude shrus [09:38] I think I remeber seeing it somewhere, but I wouldnt bet on it [09:39] :/ I really don't wanna go at the end of town to see if my server needs a bios update. [09:39] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:40] lol [09:40] skibur: dmidecode [09:40] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn2-212-50-134-15.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:40] a [09:41] I just found that [09:41] :P [09:41] http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-10sysadtips/?S_TACT=105AGX54&S_CMP=C0115&ca=dnw-1002&open&cm_mmc=4633-_-n-_-vrm_newsletter-_-10731_101108&cmibm_em=dm:0:6992641 [09:41] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.83.154) joined ##slackware. [09:42] also theres biosdecode with your vanilla slackware [09:43] aperturefever, nice [09:43] dunno if biosdecode shows bios version info though.. 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[10:18] kiteliu (n=kitelau@218.17.37.77) left irc: "Leaving" [10:18] I use gaim-text, the console version of gaim to use google talk [10:18] and also use irssi [10:18] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [10:19] mike (n=mike@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [10:19] it's called finch now [10:19] I like the way irrsi looks, fullscreen, but is there a way to integrate gaim-text into it, I have read about people integrating bitlbee into irssi [10:19] Yeah.. thats with pidgin [10:19] Nick change: mike -> Guest1491 [10:19] Xires (n=Xires@71-11-230-70.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [10:19] you don't have to 'integrate' anything to use bitlbee [10:20] bitlbee is just a server daemon that you connect to like a regular irc network [10:20] you can try some public servers here.. http://bitlbee.org/main.php/servers.html [10:20] is there any other console based client for jabber, so I can connect to google talk [10:20] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.241.50) left irc: "Leaving" [10:20] something that is fullscreen like irssi [10:21] http://www.gnu.org/software/freetalk/ [10:21] I don`t start GUI unless really req [10:21] its console based ? [10:21] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "leaving" [10:22] also this.. http://www.gnu.org/software/freetalk/ [10:22] oops [10:22] http://www.gnu.org/software/freetalk/ [10:22] argh [10:22] http://cabber.sourceforge.net/ [10:22] ok.. I think I`ll check out freetalk first [10:22] darn middle button [10:24] Freetalk seems nice [10:25] joansh: mcabber, console based jabber client, is part of Slackware [10:25] since when? [10:25] cool [10:25] Since 12.1 or 12.0 [10:26] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [10:26] Action: BP{k} prefers bitlbee as a IM Consoel application. [10:27] Guest1491 (n=mike@217.194.139.3) left irc: Client Quit [10:28] same.. there's even irssi scripts available to emulate the 'person is typing' notices [10:28] bitlbee is basically an IRC to IM gateway program - mcabber is pure jabber [10:28] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.23.103) joined ##slackware. [10:29] oh..Cool [10:29] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.189) joined ##slackware. [10:32] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:34] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@dsl-205-233-125-97.b2b2c.ca) joined ##slackware. [10:37] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:39] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[10:59] nah I just used that env variable to specify what cad I wanted [11:00] well, I changed my .asoundrc file, and now alsamixer brings up the right card, so I plug my headphones into that card, start vlc, and no sound comes out [11:00] vlc is set to alsa default [11:00] I have tried the other alsa devices that vlc finds, but none of them change anything [11:01] my system was trying to use my ati video card as a sound card, I ended up blacklisting a module and now it uses the right card [11:01] fluxnuk3r: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?title=FAQ026 [11:02] there's one default mixer device and one default pcm device iirc [11:02] well, its only listing the SBLive SigmaTel card.. [11:02] fluxnuk3r: Or is that what you have tried? [11:03] zounds: I changed the card using that [11:04] fluxnuk3r: Ok, then I have no idea. [11:06] is anyone here using dzen2? [11:09] xmms returns an error wanting to know if my device is configured properly of if a program is blocking it. so I exit vlc, it starts playing, no errors, but no sound [11:10] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn190.78-99-87.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [11:10] fluxnuk3r, xmms is using the OSS output plugin... change it to use ALSA... or just use audacious [11:11] don't have audacious. I usually only use vlc [11:12] fluxnuk3r: open xmms, CTRL P , and change the output plugin [11:13] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009079114.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:14] pankracy (n=pankracy@fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:14] Pig_Pen: did that, changed to alsa, configure, selected audio device and mixer card, applied, no change [11:15] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-86-126-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [11:15] any simple video editors that work on slack ? [11:15] you did add yourself to the various groups in /etc/group when you added users? [11:16] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:16] Pig_Pen: yah [11:16] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:17] and sound does work from the original default device, but the card i'm trying to use is a 5.1 card and has the controls in the front of the computer (I have a large case) [11:18] lw0x15: nothing that comes with slack, but kdelive might be something worth trying. [11:19] dont need anything fancy just need to put music with a few photos [11:19] vbatts (n=vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:19] lw0x15: you could use ffmpeg i think. [11:20] vbatts (n=vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [11:20] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@dsl-205-233-125-97.b2b2c.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:21] cant install ffmpged :s i get FAAD test failed. [11:21] fluxnuk3r: did you try running alsaconf again? [11:22] lw0x15: ls -l /var/log/packages/faad* [11:22] off to installing faad then ;> [11:23] lw0x15: you can haz fail! you can noaw haz zee readmeez! [11:23] lol didnt say i needed faad :> [11:23] i hope faad2 will work :s [11:23] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/multimedia/ffmpeg/ [11:23] tells you exactly what needs it. :P [11:25] Action: lw0x15 hides [11:26] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:28] fluxnuk31 (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [11:29] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:29] it did it again. whenever I run alsaconf, my entire computer freezes [11:30] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:30] Nick change: fluxnuk31 -> fluxnuk3r_ [11:31] hmm... [11:31] is that an alsa or hardware problem? it freezes when it starts searching the card database [11:32] maybe rmmod all your sound modules before running alsaconf, it should do that automatically but maysome something is not getting unloaded [11:33] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "Leaving" [11:34] joansh (n=vignesh@122.164.243.151) joined ##slackware. [11:34] Hi [11:34] I enabled 13 ttys [11:34] and then start X, how do I get to tty13 ? [11:35] From CLT ALT F1 to F12 are all text virtual consoles.. so since I started GDM after that, it would have started in tty13 [11:35] how do I go to tty13 ? [11:35] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [11:36] joansh (n=vignesh@122.164.243.151) left irc: Client Quit [11:37] pankracy (n=pankracy@fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl) left irc: "BitchX: Little. Yellow. Better." [11:38] great. now vlc won't even output sound on the original device [11:38] I reset all the settings as well [11:38] pankracy (n=pankracy@fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:38] but xmms works [11:39] fluxnuk3r what soundcard do you have? and is this a native slackware install? or are you using a virtual environment or some sort of fork of slackware? [11:39] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:39] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn2-212-50-134-15.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [11:41] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn2-212-50-134-15.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:41] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn2-212-50-134-15.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [11:41] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [11:42] fluxnuk3r_ (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:44] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:47] http://imagebin.org/36076 :) [11:47] nargon (n=mike@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [11:47] has anyone compiled ipset on slackware ? [11:48] BP{k}: what are you up to these days ? [11:50] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "leaving" [11:51] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:51] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [11:52] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:52] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-bea0b4b92bbb50b2) joined ##slackware. [11:53] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-245702.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:54] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-245702.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:57] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [11:59] Pig_Pen, you do that? [11:59] yeah [11:59] hcx (n=hcx@Q711b.q.strato-dslnet.de) joined ##slackware. [11:59] you can get that same font, lokicola.ttf [11:59] is it supposed to be a copy of someother logo? [12:00] Coca Cola style [12:00] ahh i see. [12:00] bbeecher (n=bbeecher@c-69-253-139-206.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:00] it would be more recognisabe with the hyphen [12:01] i'm gonna have a go at a slackware logo. [12:02] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.23.54) joined ##slackware. [12:03] nah a slackware wallpaper instead. [12:03] all those wallpapers and logos on slackware.com [12:03] looks like from 90's lol [12:05] spmd (i=loli@200.209.172.147) joined ##slackware. [12:06] what do you guys think about MSI, Asus, and Lenovo notebooks? [12:07] i'm trying to compile ipset [12:07] i had auss [12:07] asus [12:07] fluxnuk3r i just bought a mac air its nice [12:07] but my sister stepped on the laptop -.- [12:07] lol [12:07] make KERNEL_DIR= [12:07] what do i specify for kernel dir in slackware ? [12:07] nargon: mac != asus, lenovo, or msi [12:07] Action: lw0x15 doesnt like macs [12:07] i bet the sound of that laptop going CRUNCH was heartbreaking [12:08] lw0x15: waiting for bacon and eggs ;) [12:08] fluxnuk3r i'm just saying.. its nice :) [12:08] BP{k}: hehe [12:08] i won't buy a lenovo [12:08] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [12:08] i like ibm's... my first laptop was a thinkpad.. [12:08] I would. [12:08] hcx (n=hcx@Q711b.q.strato-dslnet.de) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [12:09] I have a friend looking at an MSI for 1,200 [12:09] (US) [12:09] i prefer desktops overall [12:09] nargon, ditto [12:09] MSI makes decent hardware [12:09] i like laptops [12:09] the new lenovo seems nice [12:09] what is the KERNEL_DIR for slackware [12:09] but the old ibm are ugly [12:09] i have to run make KERNEL_DIR= [12:09] nargon, /usr/src ? [12:09] i'll try [12:09] so MSI isn't actually that bad? [12:09] lw0x15: I like desktops, but I wouldn't mind having a nice laptop, to either bum out on the couch, or take around when I have to travel to europe [12:10] laptops make my life easier when i do the "sleeping on the floor or couch" thing [12:10] BP{k}: well for that case i'd like eee [12:10] s|europe|netherlands france germany| [12:10] lw0x15: nah. [12:10] /usr/src doesn't look like a linux 2.5.x kernel sourcetree [12:10] lw0x15: I find the keyboards on them too small for my fingers. [12:10] nargon, /usr/src/linux [12:10] cut off the bacon ;P [12:10] INFIDEL! [12:11] lol [12:11] seems to accept that but compile errors out [12:11] thou shall not sacrifice zee baconz! [12:11] bbeecher (n=bbeecher@c-69-253-139-206.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:12] tribeca (n=naitso@host184-5-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:13] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:17] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:17] http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/17/1418204 anyone see this? [12:17] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.22.18) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:17] shoot :-/ forgot which package i was on for ffmpeg :s [12:17] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:18] maditate ;D [12:18] meditate :P [12:18] can i delete /tmp ? [12:18] or will it hurt my system [12:19] well X and KDE and probably other DE's write to /tmp [12:19] nope just recreate what folders/empty files might be needed for any app you may run [12:19] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:20] fluxbox ftw [12:20] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-245702.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:21] lw0x15: personally I always drop out of X and clean /tmp by hand without deleting /tmp/{.ICE,.X11}-unix [12:21] fluxbox is ftw [12:21] nice .. just recreate SBo in case is needed later [12:21] bah. [12:22] SBo will be recreated if/when it is needed [12:22] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [12:23] even better [12:23] normally thats how it goes [12:24] if i made changes in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base, how can apply changes without restart? [12:24] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [12:26] ^hellfire^ (n=matte@87.204.232.182) joined ##slackware. [12:26] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [12:28] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:28] cant believe there is a "lame" package lol [12:29] lol [12:29] ^hellfire^ (n=matte@87.204.232.182) left ##slackware ("goodbye"). [12:30] yeah that's pretty lame :P [12:30] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [12:30] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:30] there's also "libsexy" [12:30] the most sexy library ever [12:30] haha yeah [12:31] but only if you're not "confuse" about things. [12:31] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:32] and what about "the gimo"? [12:32] *gimp [12:32] always reminds me of pulp fiction "well, bring out the Gimp"... [12:32] lol [12:33] http://www.mojang.com/notch/j4k/l4kd/ [12:33] awesome to play while stuff is compiling [12:33] WooHoo up to the lower 50s today i had enough of that arctic cold [12:34] oh, no --> http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=slackware&word2=debian [12:34] :D [12:34] josemanuel (n=josemanu@127.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [12:34] no the best mini game while compiling is vacuum [12:34] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:35] ;p [12:35] lunarvalleys: :s [12:36] brb [12:36] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:36] is that a result of how many people have searched or how many sites there are containing those names in the results? [12:37] hey left 4k dead has no BFG! [12:37] i think so.. [12:37] http://apocalypse.rulez.org/vacuum [12:38] lol [12:38] vacuum magic. [12:38] yeah ! kicks buttocks ! :D [12:39] My vacuum only seems to work when my wife operates it, would you classify that as magic? ;) [12:39] agentc0re: no. [12:39] doh! [12:39] that just classes as proper training. :P [12:40] i would say that someone cast "Lazy potato" on you agentc0re [12:40] ;D [12:41] hah hah. [12:41] thats a good one. 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[12:46] nvmd got it [12:49] well i cant install x264 [12:49] cause the source is wrong ;s [12:49] and the real source is missing somewhere [12:51] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062140113.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [12:53] not goood [12:53] ? [12:54] lw0x15: get the latest source and change the buildscript to recognize it. [12:54] cant find the line where i can [12:55] :s [12:55] source works for me. [12:55] BP{k}: the original one from sbo ? [12:55] yes. [12:55] it get an empty dir [12:56] i get* [12:56] ftp://ftp.videolan.org/pub/videolan/x264/snapshots/x264-snapshot-20081104-2245.tar.bz2 [12:56] empty :s [12:56] standby [12:57] 2009-01-17 12:56:50 (648 KB/s) - `x264-snapshot-20081104-2245.tar.bz2' saved [2271532] [12:58] this is weird [12:58] 2009-01-17 17:58:55 (716 KB/s) - `x264-snapshot-20081104-2245.tar.bz2' saved [2271532] [12:58] same here [12:58] wget worked.. [12:58] what the? [12:58] obviously wget is win ;) [12:58] indeed it is [12:59] lol. latest windows worm: http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry3810.html [13:00] hehe [13:00] ill just sit back and relax [13:00] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-86-126-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [13:01] Ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) joined ##slackware. [13:02] fluxnuk3r: lol [13:02] lowkyalur (n=low@icm16-orange.orange.sk) joined ##slackware. [13:03] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.254.165) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:04] new worm, new fix, more money [13:04] hi. is there a special reason that with 12.2 i dont see my ttf fonts in xfontsel anymore? in 12.1 that was possible - now i only have them in gimp and things, but e.g. xosd doesnt find them. [13:04] less ethics [13:05] w7 is coming out soon [13:06] even more money even less morals [13:06] FDCX (i=0@77.81.95.217) left irc: "Leaving" [13:06] w7 = vista second edition [13:06] FDCX (i=0@77.81.95.217) joined ##slackware. [13:07] Action: fluxnuk3r wants a Tux sticker to put over his keyboard's wincrap key [13:07] you may be accussed for fanboyism :P [13:07] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) joined ##slackware. [13:08] I care?? [13:08] lol [13:10] Action: fluxnuk3r gets his pocket knife and scratches the horrid logo off... [13:11] fluxnuk3r: here's your sticker, http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/accessories/5b43/ [13:12] sweet. but I want it for my keyboard.. [13:12] :) ha. I love thinkgeek. [13:12] me too [13:12] meh. [13:13] i recently just got a shirt that says, I read your email. Can't wait to wear it at work :). [13:13] lol, I saw a guy with that once [13:13] I like the one "I am root. If you see me laughing you better have backups." [13:14] Slackware @C;57777! :) in russian this means Slackware cool! :) [13:15] PEBKAC is the best if u work at IT support [13:15] lol [13:15] it means "Slackware is cool" in Bulgarian, too :D [13:16] lw0x15: no kidding. that would be hilarious. [13:16] mordy (n=mordy@141.157.205.7) joined ##slackware. [13:16] "User error! Please replace user to continue." [13:17] !;0:20@L @C;8B =0 A5@25@0E! :) [13:17] lw0x15: i thought about getting it, but it's a little on the questionable side since someone is hanging their self [13:17] lol [13:17] I got the "Your are dumb v2.0" in binary. [13:18] lol [13:18] :]] [13:18] http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8396/ [13:19] I like the subtle, they have no idea what the fuck it means, approach. [13:19] @C;5777 is rules, written in cyrillic.. [13:19] i wish they'd ship jolt overseas [13:19] want to try it badly [13:19] that keyboard is freakin sweet [13:20] fluxnuk3r: yah :) [13:20] little expensive though... [13:20] i'd get it if it was ergo'd :) [13:20] yeah ill just rub my current keys off [13:20] :D [13:20] sdns (n=swordfis@ip-50-126-ull.customer.panservice.it) joined ##slackware. [13:21] http://michielvwessem.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/computer.jpg <-- \o/ [13:21] http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8396/action/2122540/ [13:21] BP{k}, what's that? [13:21] awesome title [13:22] LnxSlck: my desk. with my and keths computer [13:22] i wish we had toys like this when we were kids and were as cheep too, http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/rc/a75e/ [13:22] They have so many cool rc toys. i love the rc ufo's/ [13:22] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:22] Romas (n=romas@78.60.167.200) joined ##slackware. [13:22] agentc0re: i got one of those [13:22] for chrismtas from my cousin [13:22] agentc0re: and yes, it's an expensive keyboard. I got mine as a gift from my parents :) [13:23] lunarvalleys, @C;5777 means cool, very great in russian :) not rules [13:23] lw0x15: dude, sweet. [13:23] agentc0re: really hard to control [13:23] gotta master it lol [13:23] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:23] ha ha. [13:24] is rsync faster than ftp? [13:24] Makaveli_ma (i=SALADIN@41.248.6.92) joined ##slackware. [13:24] not much [13:24] my one is a bit bigger as well [13:24] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:24] but better use rsync then ftp [13:25] http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/9836/ [13:25] thats an EXPENSIVE keyboard [13:26] ThunderWolf (n=chmod777@bl11-67-58.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:27] BP{k}: you should get a pair of nice LCD's [13:27] someone should design a keyboard that has no moving parts [13:27] mordy_ (n=mordy@pool-141-157-226-242.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:28] lw0x15: agreed :) [13:28] Ether_Man_ (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:29] Pig_Pen: there's laser-projected keyboards out there... [13:29] BP{k}: they are surprinsigly cheap atm [13:29] on ebuyer [13:29] lw0x15: that 19" actually cost me about a tenner in taxi fares, the monitor itself was free :) [13:29] lol [13:30] that would be good lowkyalur [13:30] http://www.virtual-laser-keyboard.com/ [13:31] Why on earth is the blank-key keyboard $130? What am i paying for? [13:31] only 200 bucks [13:31] hiptobecubic: read the desc [13:32] gold connectors :o [13:32] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-62-60.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:33] lw0x15, i guess that matters. Can i spill things on it then? :D [13:33] Ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) left ##slackware. [13:34] Dimens (n=Dimens@78.107.190.121) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [13:41] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:41] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:42] vileli8ves (n=darrel@nv-69-34-98-73.dyn.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [13:42] just tried to play openarena and X crashd. :( [13:42] vileli8ves (n=darrel@nv-69-34-98-73.dyn.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:43] pankracy (n=pankracy@fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl) left irc: "[BX] Time wasted: 19 days 9 hours 37 minutes 48 seconds 16 milliseconds" [13:43] aliase (n=aliase@69-196-135-178.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [13:44] I kind of want this frogpad [13:46] thinkpad is closer to what i desire:P [13:49] vdv (i=1000@pop-31b-143.azeronline.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:50] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:51] Avelino (n=Avelino@200-171-137-196.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:57] fluxnuk3r: oh cool, never heard of that game. Looks a lot like Nexiuz. [13:58] lowkyalur (n=low@icm16-orange.orange.sk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:58] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.81.237.196) left irc: "É isso aí rapaziada!" [13:58] I'm thinking about trying Nexiuz next. I don't have extremly good 3D graphics [13:58] ATI 128mb Rage AGP 4x [13:59] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.216.224) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:59] O_o [13:59] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [13:59] y0 [13:59] you can still get some good agp cards that will work for a lot of the new stuff. [14:00] its actually an agp pro slot, and I tried to get an AGP Pro ATI FireGL card off eBay, but its screwed [14:01] hook it up, and the screen goes nuts - before Linux even starts to load [14:01] fluxnuk3r: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_HlFco5c3U LOL the music goes with it the best [14:02] fluxnuk3r: ouch, that sucks. [14:02] Action: slackytude was watching 2009 Men`s World Championship in handball [14:02] nice games [14:03] makerc (n=makerc@201-42-174-104.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:05] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [14:06] My friend was on the handball team at University of Florida when they won the championships [14:06] probably not world, mind you. i think it was just intercollegiate [14:06] shadghost (n=shatly@tarsonis.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu) left ##slackware. [14:06] hello, i am using slackware 12.2 . when I plug in my ipod and i'm using KDE, it mounts the device in /media. how do i unmount it with kde? [14:06] probably not world. still not bad [14:06] ThunderWolf (n=chmod777@bl11-67-58.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:07] wasnt aware that there was college handball teams in the us [14:07] blkdg: click on system, and then storage media. right click on your ipod and choose to unmount. [14:07] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: [14:08] monod (n=monod@125.167.79.141) joined ##slackware. [14:09] ok, i did and it said, the device was sucessfull unmounted but cannot be removed. [14:09] harmattan (n=harmatta@82.159.58.204.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:09] i tried right clicking on it from /media, and there was no unmount option. [14:10] i saw the option you just suggested in system, but i keep getting that weird messaga. [14:10] Avelino (n=Avelino@200-171-137-196.dial-up.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:10] i was just recharging the battery, no files were touched. [14:10] just remove it. [14:10] ok. [14:11] i think i've gotten that message before to and i've always removed it. [14:11] thanks again [14:11] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware. [14:12] blkdg, msg like it umounted fine but can't eject? [14:12] uh, you have to eject it [14:12] otherwise ipod shows the "dont disconnect" message [14:12] yea had that msg with my ipod [14:13] although it wont harm it [14:13] its still safe to ejct, just not nice/pretty [14:13] Action: slackytude nods [14:13] i had to make a sudo entry so i could eject my ipod [14:13] didnt have to with other usb items [14:14] oh blkdg is gone ... [14:14] St0rmMolest (n=St0rmMol@c83-251-40-4.bredband.comhem.se) left ##slackware. [14:14] worked fine for, iirc [14:14] for me [14:14] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:14] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:16] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:19] addict (i=addict@84-104-183-92.cable.quicknet.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:19] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [14:24] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.23.103) left irc: "Saindo" [14:25] http://www.nexiconinc.com/getamnesty.shtml [14:26] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [14:26] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:26] josemanuel (n=josemanu@127.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [14:27] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:28] renew01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-154-70.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:28] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:29] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [14:31] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.23.103) joined ##slackware. [14:32] hba (n=hba@189.188.139.75) joined ##slackware. [14:33] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.23.103) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:35] bahahaha http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/17/0115207 [14:35] slackytude: that's interesting. [14:36] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:36] agentc0re, Id say ugly [14:37] nullboy: hahah, i hate seagate. [14:37] agentc0re, but, yeah, I guess interesting too or I wouldnt have poted it [14:37] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:37] nullboy: i have two hp aio1200's with msa60's and a total of 20 drives(raid6) at work and have had nothing but problems with the drives. [14:37] nullboy, heh, read that. I still have some 6 scsi baracudas from the days of old [14:38] LnxSlck (n=bruno@81.193.23.103) joined ##slackware. [14:38] hello guys [14:38] a quick question [14:38] speaking of disks, i have a couple 73GB 10Ks laying about that came from sun servers. They work fine with normal controllers though [14:39] i'm trying to rsync all of the slackware directory from slack12.2 to my pc [14:39] i'd sell them for 30 each [14:39] but my rsync command isn't working [14:39] not working? [14:39] rsync -avz http://myftpsite/slackware . [14:40] maybe the syntax is wrong [14:40] LnxSlck: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/9726 [14:40] http? [14:40] needs a target too [14:40] slackytude: doesn't the . consider as a target? [14:40] oy, didnt see it [14:41] does rsyng work with http ? [14:41] then what hba said [14:41] LnxSlck: what i posted works. just fix the paths [14:41] let me see that [14:41] no X here [14:41] another console then and fire up links [14:41] rsync --stats -aPvi --delete-after --partial-dir=/SPACE/REPOS/PARTIAL rsync.osuosl.org::slackware/slackware-current/ /SPACE/REPOS/slackware-current/ [14:41] I dont think rsync works with http. there is tsuff like zsync for that [14:41] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/tools/mirror-slackware-current.sh [14:42] http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/review/392/1050392/windows-7-is-enough-to-kill-linux-on-the-desktop [14:42] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) left irc: "A wank a day, keeps the frustrations away" [14:42] ok [14:42] oh gawd.... here it comes. [14:42] haha please [14:42] ^-^ [14:42] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:43] y0 Old_Fogie [14:43] hello all :) [14:43] You might as well believe that the world is going to end when the Mayan calendar ends. [14:43] sup fogie. [14:43] the article is still fun [14:43] o_O? so this year is not the year of linux in the desktop? [14:43] agentc0re LOL [14:44] is mayan people still exist :P ? [14:44] hba, nope, but it came close ^-^ [14:44] well, not really [14:44] LnxSlck: this will pull 12.2 for you instead: rsync --stats -aPvi --delete-after --partial-dir=/SPACE/REPOS/PARTIAL-12.2 \ [14:44] rsync.osuosl.org::slackware/slackware-12.2/ /SPACE/REPOS/slackware-12.2/ [14:45] oops [14:45] if anything it was year of linux on netbook [14:45] hba: that is like a cannon to kill afly [14:46] next year will be the year of "Fogie on the desktop" /me snickers and wrangles his hands together conceiving the notion of world domination! [14:46] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-134-118.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [14:46] fogie on desktop [ in bed ] [14:46] Old_Fogie: I'd totally put you on my desktop ;) [14:46] ;) [14:46] harmattan (n=harmatta@82.159.58.204.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:46] nullboy: is that line correct? [14:47] LnxSlck: yeah, save for the \ [14:47] rsync --stats -aPvi --delete-after --partial-dir=/SPACE/REPOS/PARTIAL-12.2 rsync.osuosl.org::slackware/slackware-12.2/ /SPACE/REPOS/slackware-12.2/ [14:47] like that [14:47] just fix the local paths, for partial and the final dest [14:49] TFA "After installation, Windows 7 could not find my wireless dongle, but to be fair neither could Ubuntu." [14:50] finally [14:50] thanks nullboy [14:50] np [14:50] i'm upgrading my slack12.1 to 12.2 [14:50] my laptop is already in 12.2, so i'm keeping things in order [14:51] nullboy, that dude has no clue, imho [14:51] he's in the same boat as the laptop girl [14:51] heh [14:52] nobody is in the same boat as the laptop girl [14:52] lol [14:52] she is in a league of her own [14:52] apparently she got flamed harder than anyone has ever seen [14:52] they found her facebook, her home phone, everything...and flamed the hell out of her [14:52] what's up with that laptop girl? [14:52] laptop girl? [14:53] yeah, it got pretty ugly. the tv station got really big $ for it tho [14:53] made a second article and a blog entry [14:53] and the lesson is, dont anger the nerds [14:53] nullboy: And that was why I was ticked off at the idiots who flamed her. [14:53] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.90.90.50) joined ##slackware. [14:54] jkwood: about that yesterday, i wasn't freaking out on my end. i was drinking tea even [14:54] i was cool [14:54] was this in here or what? Never heard anything about this. [14:54] agentc0re: something to do with a girl and a laptop and ubuntu i believe [14:54] i didn't watch the movie as i don't do flash [14:54] krux0 (n=richard@ool-182c9ffc.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [14:54] agentc0re: http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9667184 [14:54] funky stuff in the 21th century. some small tv station in nowhere land makes a show and millions of angry internet nerds avange [14:55] avenge even [14:55] Action: slackytude shold stay with simple english sentences [14:55] *sigh* [14:55] nullboy: I just get a little on edge when people don't get the point of my analogies. We're cool. =) [14:55] do you guys think that station knew what they were about to unleash? [14:55] never [14:56] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:56] read the blog entry of that one dude [14:56] do you have a link to that blog? [14:56] He didnt even know what ubuntu or linux was. next thing he knows the inbox of the sender is full of complaints [14:56] shes a troll, probably looking to cash in [14:56] she got reversed trolled [14:57] hardcore style [14:57] http://addins.wkowtv.com/blogs/troubleshooter/?p=24 [14:58] "...we helped her wonderfully. Shes got internet now. Shes also learned how to produce word processing documents compatible with Microsoft Word using Ubuntus OpenOffice.org." how quaint! [14:58] maybe she is one of monkeyboy ballmer's mistresses [14:58] nullboy, wrong link [14:58] http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9680186 [14:58] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:59] slackytude: that first link is great too though [14:59] HeatHawk[AP] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [14:59] just reading it [15:00] monod_DC (n=monod@125.167.79.141) joined ##slackware. [15:01] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-8-149.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:01] well, I like the ubuntu on the brain one better [15:01] i am glad she got help in using Linux (not for ubuntu's sake) but for Linux in general [15:01] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-68-183.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:01] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-219-180.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [15:02] well, I like the ubuntu on the brain one better :P [15:02] I think the problem on this one was that the signal-to-noise ratio was surprisingly low. [15:02] O_o [15:02] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Client Quit [15:02] just shows how entrenched ms-windows is, maybe this getting press coverage turns out good for Linux's benefit [15:02] Wow, poor girl. [15:03] Im just wating for the t-shirts, so I can buy one [15:03] "Missed my courses because of Ubuntu" [15:03] Unemployed by Linux [15:03] or sumsuch [15:04] "I signed up for school and all i got was this laptop with linux" [15:04] lol, good one [15:05] Well the saying goes, "You give someone a fish, the eat for a day. You teach someone how to fish, they eat for life". You can apply that with windows/linux and this whole situation. I wonder why dell just didn't help her get everything setup? Or even better yet, point her to the IRC ubuntu channel? [15:05] hahaha [15:05] that would have ended even better [15:05] agentc0re, the sender could have done that instead of complaining to dell [15:06] how developpers can contribute in Slackware Project if it is permitted ? [15:06] agentc0re: I prefer "Build a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life." [15:06] lol! [15:06] jkwood: lol. [15:07] jkwood: now that i think about it, your saying fits this situation much better than mine. [15:07] Makaveli_ma, make slackbuilds or write wiki entries [15:07] i might buy an 80 foot tall antenna tower [15:08] monod (n=monod@125.167.79.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:08] i looked at the tower, it is in good shape [15:08] Pig_Pen, penis envy? [15:08] Makaveli_ma: Well, it requires a demonstration of competency first. Really, in the end, Pat is the one who does everything. There are a few people who have "trusted" status, in that they help Pat out. They've earned that status over years of submitting patches and fixing bugs. [15:08] yeah, its bigger than mine [15:08] Pig_Pen, :P you be one of those HAM guys? [15:08] my tower is only 30 foot tall [15:09] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:09] Is there something in particular that you're looking to help with? [15:09] Makaveli_ma, slackbuilds.org [15:09] no, just a high end CB base station and shortwave listener, mostly shortwave listening [15:09] nice [15:09] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [15:09] big setup for CB [15:10] slackboy cool ! so if am a LAMP developer could I find my place in list of slackware project ? [15:10] i have a RCI 2950dx (covers 24Mhz to 32 Mhz, i only talk on frequencies from 25.6 to 27.9) [15:11] develop lamps? [15:11] Makaveli_ma, define LAMP developer? I take it you dont work for apache? and everybody can submit slackbuilds and its a nice way to help slackware [15:11] Yeah, SBo is the easiest way to get involved. [15:11] LAMP = Linux Apache MySQL PHP [15:11] rob0: ya, ones with lights :) [15:12] Note that all of those come with Slackware. ;) [15:12] lol [15:12] I can help more in apache configuration and improving Mysql server performance [15:12] Makaveli_ma, I know, which is why I asked what a LAMP developer is. I take it you write php scripts? [15:12] nick monod [15:13] Makaveli_ma, write wiki entries on slackwiki then [15:13] and of course any application developed under my eternel langyage PHP [15:13] male tripod. [15:13] slackytude PHP is more than a script language [15:13] Pig_Pen, how far do you reach with your setup? [15:13] iptables couln't load match `set':/usr/lib/iptables/libipt_set.so: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory [15:14] Now it can concurence even JSP plateform [15:14] and the last version PHP5 cover 90 % of POO programng [15:14] /bin/ls: cannot access /usr/lib/iptables/: No such file or directory [15:15] poo programming? [15:15] sounds foul [15:15] aliase (n=aliase@69-196-135-178.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:15] rob0 LOL it's in french [15:15] my dogs would poo program on my carpet when their were young [15:15] I mean OOP = Oriented Object Programing [15:16] En anglais, "poo" is a euphemism for "excrement". [15:16] one of many, I might add [15:17] rob0 LOL [15:17] ok sorry so [15:18] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [15:19] http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=5644 [15:19] y0 mrselfpwn [15:19] Romas (n=romas@78.60.167.200) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [15:19] but I think that it's hard to be a part of Slackware core developers, isn't it ? [15:19] y0 [15:20] You would have to prove your merit and knowledge of Slackware, and be invited by Pat. [15:20] He will send you on a quest to test you. Like, gather the horn of a unicorn, save damsel in distress and find the holy grail [15:21] uva (i=bono@118-160-162-224.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [15:21] I mean that in other distro we know where we can find the forum and room chat of core developer [15:21] but in slackware there is no way :s [15:21] Pretty much. [15:21] Right. The "core team" has a private communications channel. [15:21] you want to hold someone accountable to something? :) [15:21] So private we don't know what it is. [15:22] dtanner (n=dtanner@adsl-76-233-37-58.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:22] tank-man yes LAMP developers for example :) [15:22] Some folks here do, but they obviously will not tell you how to crash their party. :) [15:23] I think that I can do more in official websites of slackware for example [15:23] .j #lemonparty [15:23] rob0 LOL [15:23] Damn. ;-) [15:23] rworkman OK thinks [15:23] Pat would like a new logo [15:23] Action: slackytude hides [15:23] hey [15:24] but in my opinion and being worked in severals professional site like : renault.com I can tell you that the website of slackware is not very good :( [15:24] Ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) joined ##slackware. [15:24] "Keep it simple" [15:24] rworkman: =D [15:24] *HAHAHAHA* http://www.chiaobama.com/ [15:25] nice cars... [15:25] tank-man actual websites is so complicated [15:25] lol [15:25] good find Old_Fogie. [15:26] heh, nice [15:26] Action: Old_Fogie is _literally_ wiping tears off his face from laughing so hard. [15:26] lol [15:26] Old_Fogie: AHAHAHAHA [15:26] Can you grow one? YES YOU CAN. [15:26] give obama a a leafy 'fro? [15:26] Hail to the CH- CH- CH- CHIEF [15:26] XGizzmo, check out that link! :) [15:26] LOL [15:26] Can you grow one? YES YOU CAN. [ in bed ] [15:27] slackytude: you have a chiaobama in your bed/ [15:27] hahahah, that is just cracking me up, oh my this is ...oh my [15:28] but the sculpting isn't that great [15:28] too cheest [15:28] mordy, you are talking nonsense [ in bed ] [15:28] y [15:28] Don't go and have a heart attack on us Old_Fogie. [15:28] agentc0re, :) [15:28] Old_Fogie, step AWAY from the chiaobama [15:29] lol [15:29] hahah, I think I'm gonna order one [15:29] very patriotic [15:29] I feel the "midnight QVC voice" in my belly saying "I gotta have it!" [15:30] I can see the 911 call now. "911, what's your emergency?" "Ahh.. This dude on IRC named Old_Fogie is having a heart attack." "...Sir we don't appreciate pranks, let me talk to your mother." [15:30] hahah agentc0re [15:30] well, on that note..time to go blow some snow (and no that's not code for anything else :) [15:30] Nick change: steerpik1 -> steerpike [15:30] o0 [15:31] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [15:31] ROTFL [15:36] tribeca (n=naitso@host184-5-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [15:36] deepfriedsquirre (n=ed@92.8.97.152) joined ##slackware. [15:37] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [15:39] bono (i=bono@118-160-165-34.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:40] i guess slackwares iptables install is missing /usr/lib/iptables/libipt_set.so [15:40] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:40] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[16:05] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-9c0a8263682844d5) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:07] nullboy: are you around? [16:10] around and above [16:10] ll [16:10] ol [16:10] damn keyboard [16:11] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:12] http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=36088 :) [16:14] kresho (n=kresho@unaffiliated/kresho) joined ##slackware. [16:14] hba, office 2007 running on wine? [16:15] word 2007 at least mostly works here, had a few wierd things happen, but they probably would have happened on windows too [16:15] krux0 (n=richard@ool-182c9ffc.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:16] spook__ (n=spook@2002:ca59:a790:0:0:0:0:1) joined ##slackware. [16:16] spook_ (n=spook@2002:ca59:a790:0:0:0:0:1) got netsplit. [16:16] jkwood (n=jkwood@2001:470:1f0e:d2:0:0:0:2) got netsplit. [16:16] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) got netsplit. [16:16] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) got netsplit. [16:16] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) got netsplit. [16:16] spook__ (n=spook@2002:ca59:a790:0:0:0:0:1) got netsplit. [16:16] why do it though? [16:16] chopp_ (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [16:16] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-c360f13b46720c73) joined ##slackware. [16:16] mrselfpwn, sometimes people work makes you do it [16:16] LnxSlck: yeah, office 2007 on wine. [16:17] ah [16:17] hba, i would rather have a vm for that [16:18] http://imagebin.org/36076 [16:19] Ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) left ##slackware. [16:19] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.189) left irc: "Bye Bye" [16:20] LnxSlck: yeah, im starting to think the same. [16:20] hba, i have virtualbox with a xp install [16:20] hba, in there i have everything i need [16:20] much better than emulate everything [16:21] Pig_Pen: Ylackware? ;) [16:21] yeah, i downloaded xpmicro [16:21] and run it in a vm [16:21] Pig_Pen, coca cola? [16:21] mrselfpwn, much better i think [16:21] yes [16:22] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) got lost in the net-split. [16:22] jkwood (n=jkwood@2001:470:1f0e:d2:0:0:0:2) got lost in the net-split. [16:22] spook_ (n=spook@2002:ca59:a790:0:0:0:0:1) got lost in the net-split. [16:22] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) got lost in the net-split. [16:22] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) got lost in the net-split. [16:22] spook__ (n=spook@2002:ca59:a790:0:0:0:0:1) got lost in the net-split. [16:22] oh my [16:22] i just upgraded messenger [16:22] the first time i try to chat with a friend it crashes [16:23] lol [16:23] lol [16:23] ya [16:23] it crashes everytime i try to start a conversation [16:23] lool [16:24] I just gave my friend Mandriva linux and told her how to run the livecd. She is a noob to linux and is not very good at computing. I told her to log into the livecd and how to log on to MSN. I haven't heard from her since she said she is rebooting last night. [16:24] loool [16:25] lol [16:25] http://imagebin.org/36090 a better one [16:25] maybe this is a "must-reboot" feature from m$ [16:25] brb [16:25] yeah mandriva is girl-trap ;D [16:25] heheh [16:25] Pig_Pen, those letters are ugly [16:25] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.23.103) left irc: "Slackware GNU/Linux - World domination is a click away!" [16:26] its a font named lokicola.ttf (what do you expect for a free font) [16:26] lol [16:27] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.26) joined ##slackware. [16:27] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-44-79-242-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [16:27] Well, I just think that the S looks wierd in the cola font [16:27] Coca-cola does not use the S [16:29] just edit the font and take off the weird loopy thing [16:29] openvpn question. I have a static vpn setup with the server at home and my laptop mobile. It works fine but i can't access anything else on the lan behind the server. I found some info about using "iroute" but it doesn't make sense for a static vpn? [16:30] I would like to know about that also. [16:30] swell [16:31] well #openvpn has been silent for at least 30 minutes [16:31] I haven't set one up though i'm leaving town and need to. [16:31] it's easy to setup, except this last part which i'm not really following [16:31] is there a firewall setting you need to adjust? [16:31] dtanner (n=dtanner@adsl-76-233-37-58.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:32] in your router [16:32] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.90.90.50) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:33] marw (n=marw@85.94.108.105) joined ##slackware. [16:33] maybe? go to ##linux someone is talking abot it [16:33] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Connection timed out [16:34] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.23.103) joined ##slackware. [16:34] hello :) i have this problem: linux doed not see secon partition on my second HDD. it mounts /sdb1, but the is no such ting as /sdb2...? [16:34] hiptobecubic: what does cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward give? [16:34] aperturefever, 4. i set that [16:34] er 1 [16:35] 1 [16:35] 4 ? [16:35] hmmm have you set the keys correctly? [16:36] marw: what about sdc1 ? [16:36] hiptobecubic, look at push route [16:36] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) joined ##slackware. [16:36] aperturefever, girl trap? mandriva? wth? [16:36] slackytude, i have a push "route 255.255.255.0" in my server conf [16:37] slackytude: effects and colors mate ;) [16:37] josemanuel (n=josemanu@210.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [16:37] this is all i have: http://pastebin.com/m71f3c9df. on /sdb i have two ntfs partitions [16:37] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [16:38] me_ (n=me_@92.24.41.157) joined ##slackware. [16:38] hiptobecubic, ip forwarding enabled on server? [16:38] yeah [16:38] hiptobecubic, actually, just look at the openvpn faq [16:38] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [16:39] http://openvpn.net/index.php/documentation/faq.html [16:39] slackytude, the faq doesn't really explain it with static-key very well. there are no common names, for example [16:39] somewhere in the middle [16:39] you were asking why you couldnt reach machines behind server. that is unrelated how the key is handled [16:40] besides, static key sucks [16:41] mrselfpwn, openvpn is easy. you can follow the howto directly [16:41] at least on slack and even on wi [16:41] n [16:42] ok [16:44] kresho (n=kresho@unaffiliated/kresho) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:46] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [16:49] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-245702.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:51] ok, let me try again :D why does not "fdisk -l" list my second partition? it should be /sdb2, but i have sdb1 only. thnks. [16:51] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: [16:52] your welcome [16:52] i'm using static-key because i can't make a bridge over ssh without breaking the ssh connection and effectively unplugging the server from the net, leaving me stranded. also, no one said anything about the key affecting routing. i said that iroute needs common-names which aren't in statickey [16:52] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:53] marw: fdisk -l lists 2 partitions? or just one partition? I'm confused by your question [16:56] here is fdisk -l: http://pastebin.com/m71f3c9df. on this sdb in windows i have 2 partitins, but linux sees only one. [16:56] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [16:57] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn190.78-99-87.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [16:57] jkwood (n=jkwood@2001:470:1f0e:d2:0:0:0:2) joined ##slackware. [16:57] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:58] monod_DC (n=monod@125.167.79.141) left irc: "so cute with my slackware thank's 4 SLACKER support" [16:58] jescis_ (n=jescis@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [16:58] me_ (n=me_@92.24.41.157) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:59] marw: you may be confusing windows partitions and hard partitions. It could be that your windows partition on sdb is a hard partition (sdb1), but windows has a compressed volume on it, so windows sees 2 partitions (hard partition + virtual partition) [16:59] Hey guys, what program do I run to setup a modem? [16:59] /dev/modem doesn't exist [16:59] marw: fdisk only shows hard partitions [17:00] alisonken1home, logical too I think [17:00] marw: that is a encrypted filesystem, you cant do anything with it, not even see the real partitions (AFAIK) [17:00] dont know if there is any way already to see that from linux [17:00] jescis_: when you installed, did you tell it to create a link between /dev/ i've seen it in ubuntu? just simple ntfs partition. [17:01] pppsetup [17:01] marw: the type for sdb was SBS, not ntfs if I read that correctly [17:01] s/SBS/SFS/ [17:02] alisonken1home: no I skipped it :o [17:02] what would you suggest me to do to see this second part of hdd? [17:02] jescis_: then you have to manually create the link for your modem device to /dev/modem :) [17:02] ah [17:02] marw: if it's an encrypted MS partition, good luck. I don't know the drivers needed for that [17:03] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:03] jescis_: the other option is to modify the udev script to autocreate the /dev/modem entry when it detects your modem [17:04] no it's not. but thank you. [17:04] how do you mount this partition marw? [17:06] /dev/sdb1 /media/parte ntfs defaults 1 0 [17:06] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:06] thet is the first [17:06] i need /sdb2, but linux does not see it [17:07] me_ (n=me_@92.24.83.38) joined ##slackware. [17:07] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:08] i wonder if mounting with exo-mount will make any difference :/ it might magically show the other partition .. just a guess [17:12] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-62-60.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [17:13] marw: you still didnt understand... the sdb1 is a encrypted HD, inside of if you will find the 2 partitions [17:13] unless you can decrypted that partition, you can see any of the "windows" partitions [17:13] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [17:14] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-c360f13b46720c73) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:14] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.159.168) joined ##slackware. [17:15] does slackware have LDM support? [17:18] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:18] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. 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[17:28] my monitor is broken [17:28] :( [17:28] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:29] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:29] better save some cash for a new monitor [17:29] http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3453/3204123267_fee1e8f389_b.jpg [17:29] gotta use contacts to turn it on lol [17:29] i have the solution for all your problems... attend a belly-dance session [17:30] dont know why the button doesnt work [17:30] :s [17:31] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [17:31] addict (i=addict@84-104-183-92.cable.quicknet.nl) left irc: "leaving" [17:31] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:32] thanks :) c u. [17:32] marw (n=marw@85.94.108.105) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:32] :( [17:33] doing a diff is more complicated than i thought [17:33] mainly because the options aren't equal or line-for-line :| [17:35] go to radio shack and buy a little single throw single pole momentary switch [17:37] if the button does work but the monitor turns on and works when you touch the wires then the button is broken [17:37] there's definety something wrong with the upgrade procedure from 12.1 to 12.2 [17:37] i keep getting the same error [17:37] now slack is unable to find my partitions [17:38] fstab? [17:38] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [17:39] does the upgrade procedure changes sdX to hdX ? [17:39] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:39] let me look at my other PC with the PATA drive [17:40] either that or i need an initrd [17:40] gnubien (n=e@97.100.255.230) joined ##slackware. [17:40] i just upgraded from slackware 12.0->12.1->12.2 in one day, no problems [17:41] tank-man, do you ran a costum kernel? or the one that came with the slack install? [17:41] my other PC has /dev/hda like the old style [17:41] i was using custom, and now using huge from slackware [17:42] Pig_Pen, mine always had sd [17:42] tank-man, did you build and initrd ? [17:42] do you have sata drives? [17:42] Pig_Pen, yes [17:42] this one has sata and it is sda [17:42] no initrd, im using the huge kernel [17:43] Pig_Pen, mine pc has sata, so i always had sdX form y discs [17:43] Pig_Pen, and not i get that i cant find your root partition error [17:43] Pig_Pen, this is the 2nd time it has happened to me [17:43] check /etc/lilo.conf [17:44] me_ (n=me_@92.24.83.38) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:44] lilo hasn't changed.. it still points to sdX [17:48] gm152_ (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:49] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [17:51] http://imagebin.org/36092 [17:53] Pig_Pen, i believe it's an rdinit thing [17:53] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:53] maybe i need to update rdinitrd [17:53] or something [17:54] glimmung (n=will@74.4.128.40) joined ##slackware. [17:54] the thing is i can only boot to slack in read only mode [17:54] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Connection timed out [17:54] hi all, im running slackware 12.2 and just upgraded via slackpkg to kde4, but it wont start, keeps saying cannot start kstartupconfig4, but i cant find any slackware specific fixes, anyone have any ideas? [17:55] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:55] glimmung: did you start with a fresh .kde* ? [17:55] thrice`, what do you mean? [17:56] i moved the old .kde to kdebackup if thats what you mean [17:56] before logging into your desktop (or log in as root), cd ~user_home_di; rm -rf .kde [17:56] ok - that works too [17:56] it didnt work [17:56] says stuff like cant find libkdecore.so.5 [17:56] glimmung: did you install all of the new deps too ? [17:56] if i'm reading an article from 2003 which speaks about an "acpi patch", does thihs mean acpi support in general, or some special patch which i should look for further [17:56] i used slackpkg, so i assume so [17:57] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:57] echo "f" | tr "f" "%4" why doesn't that command change the f to %4? [17:57] instead it ouputs just % [17:57] echo %4 outputs %4 [17:57] glimmung: well, can you "ls /var/log/packages/akonadi*" ? [17:58] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:58] /var/log/packages/akonadi-1.0.0-i486-1 [17:58] ok, you probably have deps then :) [17:59] kstart: error while loading shared libraries: libkdecore.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [18:00] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.159.168) left irc: "me fui a molestar guachas" [18:00] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [18:00] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:01] glimmung: you have kdebase-runtime, kdebase-workspace, and kdebase installed ? [18:01] ls /var/log/packages/kdebase* should show [18:01] _ohm (n=nava@own30748RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [18:01] let me check [18:01] botulinus (n=botulinu@213-67-39-101-no157.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:02] i can only boot my slack in read only mode... any help? [18:02] [ installed ] - kdebase-3.5.10-i486-3,[ installed ] - kdebase-runtime-4.1.3-i486-1,[ installed ] - kdebase-workspace-4.1.3-i486-1 [18:02] see the problem ? :> [18:02] hmm, [18:02] how do i fix that? [18:02] Makaveli_ma (i=SALADIN@41.248.6.92) left irc: [18:02] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] there doesnt seem to be a new one on the repository [18:03] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [18:04] deepfriedsquirre (n=ed@92.8.97.152) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:04] in testing/ ? [18:04] sergio (n=sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) joined ##slackware. [18:04] yeah its not in testing [18:05] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.216.224) joined ##slackware. [18:06] ok, you need to update kdebase too [18:06] kdebase-4.1.3-i486-1.tgz [18:06] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:06] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@gualtiero.cs.unibo.it) got netsplit. 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[18:11] no 2009 is the year of astronomy [18:11] :P [18:11] gades: plug it in and run dmesg, see what comes up [18:11] tank-man: nah, the year of linux on the desktop is since we can see porntube.com's content :P [18:12] the year of the desktop will be when iJiggle is availble for KDE :) [18:12] now my webcam works, i can contribute to porntube.com :) [18:12] tank-man: you got it to work? [18:13] yea, i just pluged it in and it worked [18:13] tank-man: which webcam is? [18:13] logitech orbit [18:13] uses pwc kernel module [18:14] using huge kernel from slack12.2 and it just worked [18:14] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:15] only problem was udev making symlinks in /dev/v4l/ to the webcam, that made kopete not work with the webcam (even tho it works with mplayer) [18:15] i still have to figure out how to stop udev from making those links [18:16] lowkyalu1 (n=low@icm6-orange.orange.sk) joined ##slackware. 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[19:43] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:44] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [19:50] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:52] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.159.168) joined ##slackware. [19:53] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [19:57] hitest_ (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:58] I thought that site died some tiem ago [19:59] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [20:01] thumbs: nope [20:01] bummer [20:01] just posted a comment there [20:04] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [20:07] infernal_jesus (n=igor@unaffiliated/infernaljesus/x-763248) joined ##slackware. [20:10] does anyone here play fantastic contraption? [20:10] not me [20:11] you should try it out :D it's great. I've played the ten levels though, i'm looking for a new game to kill my time [20:12] well I was accused being a bummer/slacker so I guess should try it [20:13] it's addictive.. if you can handle the 30sec music loop [20:13] hiptobecubic: i got railway tycoon II under wine lol [20:13] killed 5hours [20:13] haha nice. i have that game [20:13] well actually i have 1 and three [20:15] was hooked up lol [20:16] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:16] broken sword 2.5 [20:16] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [20:21] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "leaving" [20:21] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [20:26] hiptobecubic: haha, this game is funny. [20:26] agentc0re, i love it [20:26] i'm putting my modprobe statments in rc.local [20:26] there are some really creative ways to do things. [20:26] i know its wrong [20:27] where should i put them ? 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[20:36] HeatHawk[AP] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:36] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "leaving" [20:38] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:38] sh0ne (n=Unknown@93.86.13.91) joined ##slackware. [20:41] DrCurl (n=carl@bas11-quebec14-1279771876.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:41] hi [20:42] I recently installed 12.2, xfce is very slow to start (30 seconds minimum)and the xfce mouse flickr instead of flashing [20:43] other window manager such as fluxbox starts in 2-3 seconds [20:43] DrCurl, odd... try running it aas a different user [20:45] hiptobecubic, already tried, same result. [20:45] check the log and see if you have any errors? 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[20:58] HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found 2009-01-17 20:58:11 ERROR 404: Not Found. [20:59] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: "leaving" [21:02] replay (i=1000@69.26.207.110) joined ##slackware. [21:03] ah, wigglet is down for maintainence [21:03] Note: Host seems down. If it is really up, but blocking our ping probes, try -PN [21:05] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:06] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:10] are you sure they don't just block icmp requests? [21:10] telnet 80 [21:11] Is there an easy way to see the last uptime, and to see if the last shutdown was clean? [21:11] Refused telnet@cardinal.lizella.net (bad nick) [21:11] no, he is up [21:12] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [21:12] but wget -c http://66.160.141.30/slackware_botlogs/slackware.log.17Jan2009 is not found [21:13] will_ (n=will@74.4.128.40) joined ##slackware. [21:13] has anyone managed to get kde 4 running on slack 12.2? [21:14] sycofly (n=chatzill@122-57-142-36.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [21:14] i got xfce up [21:14] i'll try kde [21:16] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [21:16] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:16] can anyone point me to documentation on how to install kde4 on slackware 12.2? I cant find anything slack specific [21:17] /testing has it [21:17] oh, sorry, i had thought that kde 4 came with slack 12.2 [21:17] no 3.5 comes with it [21:17] ic [21:18] will_: check /testing [21:18] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [21:18] but i try to use slackpkg and i add the repository, run an update, and still it only sees kdebase3.5 even though all the other packages are 4.1 [21:19] im not sure exactly what you mean when you say check /testing, you mean on the disk, on the repository? [21:19] will_: sorry, that is only in current [21:21] anyway, i ran slackpkg upgrade kde4 and it downloaded and installed everything, except it left kdebase as 3.5, so I manually upgraded kdebase to 4.1.3 and it still doesnt work [21:21] robby has 4.1 packages, I believe. [21:22] do you have robby's number? [21:22] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.80.205.157) joined ##slackware. [21:22] hahahaha [21:22] there you go, check robby's site [21:22] ... no. [21:22] will_: rworkman [21:22] DrCurl (n=carl@bas11-quebec14-1279771876.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:22] I don't have any. Whatever is in -current's /testing is the latest anyone has for public use. [21:22] Wait no. [21:23] http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/ [21:23] http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/kde/kde4-packages/ [21:24] rworkman: I thought you had made some. Sorry. [21:24] np [21:24] At this point, I have :) but they're not online anywhere [21:25] there needs to be some documentation on this [21:25] Well, I *hope* I have - a build was kicked off last night. [21:25] slamd64 has some kde4.2rc1 packs.. unofficial ones though that thrice` built [21:25] will_: there's whatever the kde folks provide. The rest of us had to figure it out from there. [21:26] did any of you get it working and how? did you use slackpkg? [21:26] Yes ; goat sacrifices ; no [21:27] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [21:28] Loguz (n=Tempraxx@189.123.65.84) joined ##slackware. [21:28] Loguz (n=Tempraxx@189.123.65.84) left ##slackware. [21:29] will_ (n=will@74.4.128.40) left irc: "Leaving" [21:31] family and I went to circuit city today.. freakin' mad house [21:31] they had 10%, 20%, and 30% off stuff.. but they wouldn'te ll you want until you brought it up to them.. crock of shit [21:31] k [21:32] Found a nice buffalo 500GB nas device.. only 10% offr and was like 160bucks haha I can get it cheaper on newegg [21:32] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:32] the one here had 40 people in each line, but the store was not that crowded (but I went at 1215) [21:33] yah [21:33] alisonken1home: get any godo ddeals? [21:33] a "rockwell international hsf 56k data/fax/voice/modem" is a linmodem. this DOES mean that it's NOT a winmodem, right? [21:33] I'm waiting towards march.. or trying to.. when they have their "zomg blow out" deals hehe [21:33] closest was a 14" lenovo laptop display model for $500 [21:33] ahhh [21:33] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [21:33] alisonken1home: I'm hoping I can score a nice flat screen tv for cheap ;) [21:34] all laptops were 10%, mostly intel, but I wouldn't have minded getting one of the atoms to play with :) [21:34] habaneros (n=habanero@97.100.249.48) joined ##slackware. [21:34] i got a dvd+/-rw dvd-ram with lightscrbe for $25 from newegg last month [21:34] but it's going to be a few days before you get more than 10% [21:35] dual layer too [21:36] sh0ne (n=Unknown@93.86.13.91) left irc: "Leaving" [21:36] i have yet to actually see the dvd-ram media in stores [21:37] been a while, and the dvdram was basically a stunt anyway. not really useable [21:37] are they dl or just single? [21:38] they would be great for backup's [21:38] rewrite up to 10,000 times [21:38] dvdram was from the beginnings of cd's - so single layer [21:38] ic [21:40] i should get a blu-ray 52x [21:40] only about $70 [21:40] my mistake - dvd-ram was the beginnings of dvd's [21:41] oh [21:42] circuit city is giving 30% off from what i heard [21:43] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.216.224) left irc: "Leaving" [21:44] t0f: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvdram <- some citations requested, but interesting notes on dvdram [21:44] maybe i'll stock up on 500 gig disks [21:44] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.216.224) joined ##slackware. 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[22:38] slackware + fluxbox = pretty http://titanomachy.net/sights/screenshots/screenshot20090117a.png [22:39] openbox is more light weight :) [22:39] mordy__ (n=mordy@pool-141-157-203-99.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:40] SagaZ- (n=dbaio@189-11-83-176.mganm703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:40] Greyhound|NB (n=Greyhoun@79.114.73.204) left irc: "I <3 u, buh-bye!" [22:41] fghd (n=fghd@92.255.165.237) joined ##slackware. [22:41] briareus, nice. my desktop looks like ass. [22:41] and not the good kind [22:42] you named your box slackbook1420? [22:42] damn, what size monitor is that running on? [22:42] any good reason to upgrade to 12.2? [22:42] 2x (1680x1050) [22:43] nice [22:43] is that aterm? [22:43] skibur: changelog? [22:43] could be any term. turn alpha channel down. turn off window decorations. [22:43] I'm reading [22:44] What are you running steerpike? [22:44] umm.. -current (from 5 months ago) [22:45] ah [22:45] hiptobecubic: how do you "turn alpha channel down"? [22:45] i only know how to do it in aterm [22:45] danc3, well in xfce-terminal, there is an opacity setting. i would imagine the other terminals have a similar feature [22:45] hiptobecubic: ok [22:46] xterm has opacity? [22:47] steerpike, yup. using it right now D: [22:47] :D [22:47] My favorite feature of slackpkg is the identification of a corrupt package list. For example if you accidentally install two versions of the same package instead of using upgradepkg [22:47] but you have to edit that ~/.Xdefaults files or something for that? [22:48] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [22:48] xubuser (n=xubuser@adsl-69-155-211-178.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:48] Hello People. [22:49] steerpike, in xfce-terminal, it's in the preferences dialog. although i'm sure you can do it with a config file somewhere manually. [22:49] ello [22:49] I am trying to download slackware. But I don't see a single iso image. Just folders and stuff. [22:49] how does one normally download slackware? [22:49] http://ftp.univie.ac.at/systems/linux/slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/ [22:50] xubuser, or use a torrent. [22:50] torrent [22:50] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:50] torrent is preferred, and perhaps faster [22:50] Action: Old_Fogie waves hello to ##slackware [22:50] hey Old_Fogie :) [22:50] :) [22:51] my monitor is 2960x1050 (xrandr between a 1600x1050 and a 1280x800) [22:52] and they are all Eterms [22:52] I like the conky, I twiddled on it for an hour to get it right [22:52] bigpaws: thanks. :) I had to go setup the downloads. [22:52] thanks all. I guess I was expecting a .iso on all mirrors. [22:52] briareus, i always find myself using fullscreen apps so i never see it [22:54] briareus, i have the same monitor setup. i have that blank space at the bottom of the laptop screen [22:55] hiptobecubic: me too, and I was going to get rid of it and reclaim the memory but it makes the screenshots look wierd and it's not like I am hurting for that memory [22:56] briareus, how would you even get rid of it? [22:56] I forget how, there's a way. You can find assymetrical screenshots of it [22:56] it's in the xorg config I believe [22:57] i started to look into it but then I said forget it [22:57] this was the previous one http://titanomachy.net/sights/screenshots/screenshot20090109a.png [22:57] dbaio (n=dbaio@unaffiliated/dbaio) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:57] hm. oh i remember seeing this. [22:57] has anyone here recompiled their amarok to include the mysql option? [22:57] yeah [22:58] briareus, you're making me want fluxbox :D [22:58] a mysql db just for managing playlists? [22:58] CaptObviousman, all the time [22:58] well, the default option uses sqlite which is really slow for large collections [22:58] hrm [22:58] CaptObviousman, I add helix as well [22:59] hiptobecubic: well it starts mostly ugly and featureless [22:59] briareus, i noticed. that's why i'm not in it [22:59] Old_Fogie: hmm, do I need to do anything special beyond --enable-mysql in ./configure? [22:59] sopas (n=souphead@203.177.174.196) joined ##slackware. [22:59] CaptObviousman, yes give me one moment. [22:59] I see a dropdown to select which db to use, but the only one in the list is sqlite [22:59] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-59-147.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [22:59] briareus, what graphics card? [23:00] CaptObviousman, gimme 2 min for my notes [23:00] hiptobecubic: what's funny to me is that even with all the customization, it's still as fast as it was at the beginning. even xcompmgr seems to have no discernable effect on my performance. But the moment I start adding icons and whatnot, it slows down. So I don't run any icons. [23:00] Old_Fogie: sure, atke your time =) [23:00] I love this channel [23:00] hiptobecubic: onboard intel gma3100 i think [23:00] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [23:00] icons? like icons on the desktop? [23:01] yeah like kde/gnome type icon stuff, when I ever tried them (a long time ago) fluxbox suddenly wasn't so fast [23:01] it was as slow as kde/gnome [23:01] but I never liked icons anyway [23:02] it's just funny to me that with all the transparency and effects it still seems as fast as before any customization at all [23:02] is that bitlbee? [23:02] in the rosy one? finch [23:02] ah ok [23:02] no pidgin? [23:02] I hate the colors, and you can alter the finch config and they don [23:02] I hate the colors, and you can alter the finch config and they dont work as predicted. Example: you tell that blue to turn grey, and it turns yellow [23:02] briareus, sounds like a pretty neat feature. [23:02] I have pidgin but I prefer all console apps when I can [23:03] any reason? [23:03] *terminal apps [23:03] other than it looks sweet [23:03] no, just a preference [23:03] probably because I like all the transparency [23:03] so guys what would one look forwards to with slackware? [23:04] xubuser: stable, no surprises, and for me, not a single problem yet [23:04] girls, lots of girls [23:04] lol [23:04] xubuser, learning something. [23:04] briareus: that's good. [23:04] xubuser, also tearing out your hair. [23:04] hiptobecubic: that's good too. [23:04] those go together [23:04] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-59-147.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [23:04] hiptobecubic: right, I know the feeling. I currently run Gentoo. [23:05] beer will rain from the sky and random intervals [23:05] actually, it gets kinda annoying when I'm going into Target. They don't appreciate the tracks left on their tile [23:06] girls is a good thing too. [23:06] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-59-147.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [23:07] in all seriousness, slackware's good to use if you just want to get shit done [23:07] odium1 (n=bobby@c-68-63-210-4.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:07] just want to know what other distro have to offer.... [23:07] CaptObviousman, http://pastebin.com/d6b97572b <--- That is a patch to amarok sources, from Kubuntu, as the libmtp in Slackware is not 'compatible' with amarok in Slackware to build amarok. ( or whatever you call it ) ; and yes it's just --enable-mysql ; and you need to have that installed when building. and mysql has to be setup for the user, amarok, per the amarok wiki for mysqli---> http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/MySQL_HowT [23:07] o . If you have questions on it, flag me down :) Good Luck :) [23:08] so slack has kde or gnome as main DE? [23:08] no Gnome in Slack [23:08] xubuser, none. slackware let's you choose which to choose. [23:08] xubuser: I guarantee other distros have more click and drool action, and I think the way slackware does some things are kinda weird/anachronistic, but its solid as a rock [23:09] I dont care for the click and drool action anyway, and i got used to slackware's strangeness to me and I dont miss other distros [23:09] briareus, what strangeness is this? [23:09] I do miss SourceMage's tool sorcery, that tool is the shit and I've never seen its equal, but c'est la vie. slackware just works for me. [23:10] sorcery? [23:10] hiptobecubic: the whole dependency thing, I'm so not used to resolving deps Hahaha yes you laugh at me I laugh at myself [23:10] briareus: interesting.... [23:11] I like pretty graphics and stuff. [23:11] briareus, ahhh. yeah i'm no wizard either. i usually just look at the SBo page and try to build everything in order and hope for the best. [23:11] Old_Fogie: much obliged, sir [23:11] I like point and click stuff. but if a default layout doesn't have it, that's no prob. [23:11] xubuser, there's nothing stopping you from pretty graphics. you just have to intentionally configure them rather then have someone package something for you and you take whatever it is [23:11] CaptObviousman, yw :) [23:12] if it doesn't stop people from making it easy to use in people's own way, it's cool. [23:12] hiptobecubic: right. that's why it's no problem. The user can make it look nice. [23:13] well, we'll say this, the click-n-drool stuff largely isn't done for you [23:13] but there's absolutely no reason you can't download and run 'em yourself [23:13] CaptObviousman, keep your 'notes' handy by the way, there's two CVE's out on amarok this week, so I'd venture to guess, that Mr. V is going to issue some form of sec fix for it when the amarok team releases one. [23:13] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:14] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:14] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-59-147.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [23:16] yay found a hotel on google maps where we stayed in spain [23:16] lol [23:17] at first i was like "ok we had a pool" zoomed in the city [23:17] and like every hotel had a pool -.- [23:18] old_fogie, i got X to work!!!! [23:18] will slackpkg upgrade me from 12.1 to 12.2? :P [23:19] mordy, congrats :) [23:19] well, not really X, more like TinyX/Xvesa [23:19] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [23:19] mordy, so no more debian ? :) [23:20] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:20] old_fogie... let me first get working with slack now... i still need to configure Xvesa somehow. It wont' start without fonts and it gives me a garbled green screen [23:20] but the main accomplishment is that i can switch VTs [23:21] mordy, 'pkgtool' 'setup' and then select the font stuff in there, and let the scripts run. You probably added fonts to the sys, and didnt update them. Configuring Xorg you can find at slackwiki on how todo. [23:21] old_fogie, i removed the entire x package set [23:21] nice [23:22] mordy, well no fontconfig package (part of X set) no nice fonts, heh [23:22] this isn't Xorg, i don't know where its configuration files are either [23:22] TinyX is part of XFree86 [23:22] oh you're not using xorg oh I see [23:23] hey i had a question for you guys. have any of you had issues with running high resolutions on LCD monitors (whether desktop or laptop) on Linux? I'm talking stuff like WUXGA (1920x1200) [23:23] i'm speaking here in terms of fonts, etc. [23:23] i'm running 1920x1200 [23:23] no problems here [23:23] TwinReverb: no issues here [23:23] TwinReverb: and fonts are clear as mud. [23:23] do you guys actually tell Xorg what the physical screen size is (using DisplaySize)? [23:24] it depends on your driver really... of course, with 1920x1200 everything will be much smaller [23:24] TwinReverb: yes I do. [23:24] i don't... i don't think it's needed for DVI [23:24] thumbs, your font experience ... is it good or bad? ("clear as mud" to me almost sounds like a joke or something) [23:24] TwinReverb: no, it's very good. [23:24] i'm asking in terms of laptops, sort of, but it works for desktops too. i was asking because i love pixels if you know what i mean: i like high sharp resolutions. [23:25] TwinReverb: actually, on this other laptop, I didn't [23:26] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.215) joined ##slackware. [23:26] and the laptop coming up, i'll be damned if i get something 1024x768. i'll probably get SXGA, WSXGA, or WUXGA [23:27] 1440x900 is a minimum [23:27] thumbs, bad experience with the laptop? [23:27] no, all good, actually. [23:27] the fonts are really nice [23:27] do laptops come in wuxga? [23:27] He closed the lid on his thumbs [23:27] and that hurt [23:27] you'd need an incredibly dense pixel pitch [23:27] i love dense pixel pitch [23:27] i bought 4 pcs from dells, and the sales guy add a free printer to the order. [23:28] i'll probably get as dense a pixel pitch as i can afford [23:28] a dell 1320c, its like 399AUD [23:28] TwinReverb, i love it too. I just don't know if they make it [23:28] _ohm (n=nava@own30748RN.rh.ncsu.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [23:28] colour laser. [23:28] (i remember when silver/blue old-school LCD was the new thing) [23:28] mordy, they do. you can get a 16" WUXGA (1920x1200) [23:28] you can get a 17" @ 1920 [23:28] it's just not cheap [23:28] how much is it? [23:28] well 17" in a laptop is going to be too big. sorry, 15" is almost a pain for me lol [23:28] probably an extra 300$ [23:29] wow [23:29] well, this monitor was $500 [23:29] and it's a 24" wuxga [23:29] but it's probably expensive because it uses a pva panel and is wonderfully bright and excellent contrast [23:29] i don't know why anything on the big side of LCD has to come with nvidia or ati. even my native intel 855GM can handle 1920x1200 (just not on the native LCD) [23:30] TwinReverb, it depends on the connection [23:30] i know that [23:30] usually VGA is quicker than DVI, i think... my g3100 would crawl with 1920x1200 digital [23:31] well, ti was decent, but still [23:31] are you kidding? [23:31] DVI is MUCH faster than VGA [23:32] :P [23:32] indeed it is [23:32] i personally don't give a krap about that part. i won't be playing games or using compiz [23:32] i just want good lcd "real estate" [23:32] Elsie Dee [23:32] so get the highest resolution you can afford. What else is there to wonder about? [23:32] yeah i guess [23:32] TwinReverb: 1680 is also decent, and much cheaper [23:33] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [23:33] there's also pixel pitch and brightness, not to mention bleeding [23:33] if you have a mainly dark background and your screen has severe bleeding,y ou tend not to use the edges [23:33] Action: TwinReverb could care less about hidef right now [23:33] so don't get an emo screen [23:34] hahaha emo screen [23:34] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062141110.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [23:34] i will probably get a 14"-ish screen [23:34] 15.4" is the sweet spot on size [23:34] ImmutableDark (n=m0@124-170-111-7.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:34] TwinReverb: then you'll run 1440x900 on it [23:35] yeah probably [23:35] i don't like widescreen much either [23:35] i wish 3:4 monitors were more popular [23:35] i was thinking 14" because 15" is a bit big for going mobile, at least to me [23:35] i like 4:3 but now i guess it "has to be" hidef [23:35] comp_ (n=comp_@h219-110-127-176.catv02.itscom.jp) joined ##slackware. [23:35] I didn't like widescreen much at first, but it grows on you. Easier to have multiple windows open. [23:35] mordy, got me a full backup supply here for my own personal consumption :) [23:36] multiple screens > wide screen [23:36] oh yea :) [23:36] old_fogie, it stores scanned copies of your IP notebooks? [23:36] it's not "hidef", it's "widescreen". Not the same thing. [23:36] multiple WIDE screens > * [23:36] oh [23:36] mordy, oh no I guard them in a tinfoil wrapped firebox of course [23:37] buried in the yard [23:37] but widescreen is best for movies. this monitor can rotate 90 and do portrait mode [23:37] but portrait mode is too narrow [23:37] Old_Fogie: with booby-traps? [23:37] danc3, correct, and attack gerbils [23:37] nice touch [23:37] :D [23:38] 1440x900 in a 14.1" dell inspiron 1420 laptop would be good i think [23:38] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2+2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [23:38] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [23:38] gerbils: the other white meat [23:38] as someone that's used to 1024x768 ... [23:38] TwinReverb: agreed [23:38] Attack gerbils. Because attack dogs are too expensive and keep getting killed by the hero anyway. [23:38] xubuser (n=xubuser@adsl-69-155-211-178.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:38] isn't 900 kind of small in height tho, I mean, that's ony 1/3 more than my netbook , which is useable..but still 900 is kind-a small no [23:39] it's a little small, but very useable [23:39] jkwood, well the replicate quite quickly...and they can get into them small spots ..so there's no getting away from them before they get you :) [23:39] s/well the /well they [23:39] Absolutely. [23:39] well like i said before, to me, 15" gets difficult to use while on the road. granted i'm rarely on the road, but i figured i'd mention it [23:39] I think it's brilliant. [23:40] did you see those laptops that came out that use a glass screen or whatever it was? they seem pretty pimp. [23:40] abostutely [23:40] If you're rarely on the road, it shouldn't be a major factor in the decision... [23:40] absotutely [23:40] absolutely :) [23:40] 15.4" is the size you want [23:40] Yeah like saying a speedo is small if I'm on the beach, but ok if I'm in my yard [23:40] 7.9" [23:40] [ in bed ] :) [23:40] ? [23:40] oh maybe we're not talking aabout the same thing [23:40] haha [23:40] lol [23:40] danc3, well i'm military so i am always going mobile. but usually that's going to a desk somewhere to use the machine. and the majority of my time, the laptop would spend on a desk, not very often in my lap (especially because usually military housing sucks for wireless) [23:41] i'm not often on a plane, so you have a good point [23:41] there ya go [23:41] get the 15.4 [23:41] mwendi (n=ledre@120.163.65.242) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:41] now i need to know how to configure Xvesa [23:41] Yeah dont need an underwater laptop if you dont swim much [23:41] i just heard a lot of good about the keyboard on the inspiron 1420 [23:42] it's been hard for me to find good reviews on laptops that deal mainly with the keyboard [23:42] mordy, I'm not the goto guy on that one, heh [23:42] I'm using a Dell XPS M1530, and the keyboard is excellent [23:42] since i type a lot, AND play guitar a lot, etc [23:42] lol [23:42] well XPS line is a bit high in price for me [23:42] point is that Dell lappy keyboards are decent [23:42] No "sweet" deals over at our Circuit City today, but the signs were all up. [23:42] all that I've seen anyway [23:42] the closest blurb i heard was on pcmag's website and they said the best budget laptop in terms of keyboard typing experience was the dell inspiron 1420, hence my main reason to look at those [23:42] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:43] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [23:43] They're only giving 10% discounts..man ..I thought they wanted to liquidate...10% off is nothing [23:43] i wish there was some like "laptop keyboard ergonomics awards" or something, but there's not, and the majority of ergonomics websites i've seen tend to give me the impression that i can't fully trust what they have to say (i know, i sound weird) [23:43] TwinReverb: I know about the mobile part, BTW... I'm retired Navy... [23:43] ah cool [23:44] i'd actually be willing to pay $1000 for a decent laptop if the keyboard was the main emphasis (in terms of ergonomics, etc) [23:44] i couldn't stand the macbook i tried: the keyboard was so @#$ stiff i got angry lol [23:45] if youre that anal, you can always use a usb keyboard [23:45] TwinReverb: I can tell you this regarding keyboards: I also own a Dell Latitude D810, which has an excellent keyboard, and a Sony VAIO with a poor-to-average keyboard. [23:45] I type on my Latitude D830 all day long. It's actually relaxing compared to, for example, gaming controllers. [23:46] jkwood, yes but find me a job using gaming controllers all day, I wont complain :) [23:46] jkwood, is that a joke or a real comment? :D [23:46] Well, yeah, of course. I agree wholeheartedly. [23:46] TwinReverb: A real comment. [23:46] just asking because it sounded a bit funny [23:47] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:47] it sounded like saying a keyboard is more ergonomic than weight lifting :D [23:47] i can't stand most gaming controllers [23:51] The XBox "S" controller is actually one I can play on for hours without problems. [23:51] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [23:55] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [23:56] jkwood: i dunno why people hated the original controller [23:56] i loved it [23:57] clueless27 (n=sysadmin@190.141.76.51) joined ##slackware. [23:58] hello guys, one question, is firstname.lastname a valid linux username? [23:58] spook, the big black xbox controller , the original one? if so that's the one I liked too [23:58] clueless27: probally too long [23:58] Old_Fogie: yeah that one [23:59] spook: hmm problem is that I have users with same name... and i will like the email accounts to be firstname.lastname [23:59] the one with the white and black button... below the a b x y buttons? [23:59] clueless27: I wouldn't use a . [23:59] is this usually done with a virtual user map or something? [23:59] spook, ironically, I remember them saying the xbox one was really intended for 'grown ups' ; more or less adults, and that's why it was big..then the kiddies fell in love with it, but had hurting hands so they changed it. [23:59] replay (i=1000@69.26.207.110) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [23:59] a valid linux user name? [23:59] it's still in some cases used as FS by for example chown [23:59] clueless27: SSSSSFNN [23:59] BP{k}: yes, I have read that . should not be used [00:00] --- Sun Jan 18 2009