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[03:36] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:44] I'm looking for CPU benchmarks for multi-processor systems with applications using multi-processing for parallelism rather than multi-threading [03:44] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:45] noone ever runs parallel builds of the kernel, of gcc, of qt, of webkit, or server-level benchmarks like concurrency for apache or *anything* like that? [03:47] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 3814, sources date: 20091222, built on: 2010-01-09 17:48:42 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/" [03:51] jolie occupation pour un dimanche matin C4marade_Tux :) [03:51] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:54] actually, right now, I'm reading about Zippers :-) ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipper_%28data_structure%29 ) [03:55] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [03:56] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:57] toxix (n=danny@96.48.104.248) left irc: Client Quit [03:59] Ephedrax_ (i=zeus@vps.process-evolution.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:59] slackwarebob (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-228-177.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:59] Hello People. [04:01] heh http://torrentfreak.com/oink-admin-found-not-guilty-walks-free-100115/ [04:05] I guess oink's admin paid for it though: he's been on trial for something like 2 years afaik [04:05] alreadygone (n=silas@59.103.211.48) joined ##slackware. [04:05] q [04:05] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [04:05] slackmagic (i=1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: "leaving" [04:06] i would expect he got many donations though. up until half a year ago you could donate to support his "fight" [04:07] oink is the site that defined music file sharing [04:08] well, I hadn't heard of it before this week ;-) [04:09] it was big [04:10] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:10] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [04:10] I guess it was well-known outside of France but here... 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[04:25] we all are [04:25] wertik_rus (n=mirggi@95-24-150-196.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:26] wertik_rus (n=mirggi@95-24-150-196.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Client Quit [04:27] How do I cleanup all the sbopkg packages I have installed? I am running out of disk space. Also how can I cleanup /tmp before a shutdown or reboot. [04:28] tuxdev_ (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:30] just 'rm -r /tmp/*', be sure nothing is using anything in /tmp though (kde and some DE may, I don't know) [04:30] so, close X, go to console and you're done [04:30] alreadygone: I was trying to use flash where images were better [04:31] how good is KDE4 now on slackware? smooth? [04:31] I still need a new system with new video before I can do it [04:32] I hate KDE4. XFCE is cool. [04:32] if I go from KDE 3.5 to 4, will I feel bad? [04:33] I did [04:34] but I have to upgrade some time and feel bad [04:34] foobarz: only one way to know if you like it ;-) [04:34] it's shiny though... some people like shiny stuff [04:35] yeah, try it yourself, we all have our own likes and dislikes [04:37] i am afraid KDE 4 will try to be too innovative and look too slick and all that, then the shiny just looks greasy and cheesy [04:38] i want standard reliable operation for the desktop, with enough features make things the way i like it... not fixed into a shiny thing [04:39] then it's XFCE for you imho [04:40] mohaa (n=nome@89.16.15.244) left irc: Success [04:40] i might just try XFCE then if sorely disappointed... nice to have the option [04:40] foobarz: what are you running currently (I mean, distribution) [04:40] ? [04:40] slack 12.1 [04:41] kde 3.5.x [04:41] Night0wl (n=office@99-17-47-242.lightspeed.edmdok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [04:42] my slack is old now, but still running nice [04:42] oh wait... I am slack 12.2 [04:42] geez, didn't even kno my slack version! [04:42] i'm 12 [04:43] runs so smooth I haven't had to look at versions of anything in quite a while [04:43] which computer specs btw? [04:43] Can someone please provide me with the link for installing with usb stick? I just tried the 13.0 iso on a flash drive and failed. I heard there is a specific package meant for this though [04:44] P3-800MHZ Nvidia GF5200 [04:44] big or small screen foobarz ? [04:44] 19" LCD wide [04:44] which res ? [04:44] 1440x900 [04:44] ok that's nothing [04:44] what do u mean nothing? [04:45] whiskas (n=mc@87.72.242.147) joined ##slackware. [04:45] Hi [04:45] how much RAM foobarz [04:45] i'm at 2048x1152 pixels on a celeron 600 [04:45] and would never ever think of running KDE on tha [04:45] 1165028k ECC memory, and 3ware 6410 RAID1 [04:46] my comp is old, lasting a long time... Asus mainboard [04:46] a big raid array ? [04:46] anybody running the gnucash under slackware 13? I find it quite unstable (using the build from slackbuilds.org) [04:46] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-187-067.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [04:47] nah... small raid... 80GB [04:48] Night0wl: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:usbboot [04:48] I never upgraded to slack 13 because of my video card [04:48] it would suck on KDE 4 [04:49] GeForce 5200 [04:49] foobarz: kde4 on that computer might not be very fast [04:49] not sure [04:49] legacy nvidia driver would make KDE4 bad I think, but I dont know... maybe it is fixed now [04:50] i tested KDE4 like a year ago or something and it had big glitches with the video [04:51] if I keep running this smooth comp, I will just start getting old an ignorant about computers... I never need to fiddle with it... like a dummy windows user now [04:52] foobarz: can you watch flash videos acceptably on that comp [04:52] flash is kinda slow, the video acts like it skips frames [04:53] maybe you can try an opensuse live cd with kde [04:53] i feel you [04:53] i use youtube-dl.py for youtube stuff and mplayer to watch them [04:53] I watched that video of a monkey installing a video card... Radeon video... it was a bit slow [04:53] foobarz, you are already getting old every second... and running a Slacware 13 won't make you a zen master of computers [04:55] yes but then you'll eventually get to the point where more programs require glibc version higher than you have [04:55] hm... if they would switch to the open video formats like... HTML5... can't that do nice xvid... that runs great on even my old comp [04:56] yup, I will eventually run into a critical problem like glibc, or the x server is too old [04:56] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:56] or I will need a new kernel for a new driver etc [04:56] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-150-196.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:57] vhargon (n=geno@125-237-32-105.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:58] what you need is a better pc... buy a used P4 or Athlon ... they are cheap [04:59] I am afraid that stuff will be buggy [04:59] i want to build a new Xeon system [04:59] then use it for a long time [05:01] the worse thing is a glitchy computer... id rather use a slow computer than a glitched one [05:03] rignes_ (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:03] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:03] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [05:05] what i want and get can be a lot different tho if my comp breaks right now [05:05] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-14-172.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:06] rignes (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) joined ##slackware. [05:06] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [05:06] you worry too much foobarz ... and you are giving me a headache :) [05:10] Axius (n=fd@92.84.15.199) joined ##slackware. [05:11] vhargon (n=geno@125-237-32-105.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Client Quit [05:12] i give myself headaches too and just have to lay down... may decision making abilities are bad [05:12] vhargon (n=geno@125-237-32-105.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. 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[06:53] john_dee (n=id@95-29-15-118.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:53] > /etc/rc.d/rc.sendmail start [06:54] I get permission denied as root [06:55] permission denied: /etc/rc.d/rc.sendmail [06:57] did you set it executable [06:57] -rw-r--r-- [06:59] check the book slackbasics, it has some info that will help you [06:59] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:00] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [07:01] It's working now. chmod + x [07:03] aryr100 (n=aryr100@cpe-67-248-212-47.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:03] aryr100 (n=aryr100@cpe-67-248-212-47.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:05] jg71_ (n=edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:05] allend_ (n=allend@CPE-124-180-197-208.lns7.lon.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. 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[07:31] Greetings [07:32] salute [07:33] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:34] I was thinking whether installing the X11 windows system color's calibration program might have help ? Anyone tried here ? [07:34] I mean increasing the clarity of text etc. ... [07:35] whiskas (n=mc@87.72.242.147) left irc: "Leaving" [07:35] btw which type font for LCD do you advice to use ? [07:38] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:41] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [07:41] I get this error error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [07:42] slack-13? 32 or 64? [07:42] slack13 [07:43] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-13.0/slackware/a/openssl-solibs-0.9.8k-i486-2.txz install this (if it is not installed already) [07:43] I can not download packages with slackpkg. [07:43] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [07:43] tooly (n=theo@f053079115.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware. [07:44] you can wget that link i just posted [07:44] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-13.0/slackware/n/openssl-0.9.8k-i486-2.txz this too [07:44] wget: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [07:46] What Can I do the rescue my system in this situation? [07:46] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.14) joined ##slackware. [07:46] how did you get in to this mess [07:46] get the slackware installer? get it from another system? [07:46] fs corruption? [07:47] mount the install cd/dvd and get it [07:47] Axius: you're ont the machine with the problem? [07:47] Axius: broken symlink? ls -l /usr/lib/libssl.so* [07:47] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:48] even a web browser will prompt a download on that URL i posted [07:48] ftp doesn't use ssl [07:48] maybe Axius is a bot [07:49] The-Croupier (n=ChrisOne@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [07:49] ncftp is working. [07:49] mmm how long does a movie need to exist before it'll belong to the public domain [07:50] the disney corp wants to keep them foreaver, but i think it is 70 years [07:50] In wich series can I find those packages? [07:51] depends [07:51] a [07:51] Axius: those? or this? this, it's a/ [07:51] openssl and openssl-solibs [07:52] look at those URLs i posted, i am sure you can figure it out [07:52] installpkg the package from a/ and then the package from l/ [07:53] ok [07:54] SOUL_OF_R00T (i=l00l@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [07:55] raph0x88 (n=raph0x88@20158174067.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:55] Agiofws (n=nnAgiofw@athedsl-423037.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:59] SOUL_OF_R00T, root don't have a soul :P [08:03] whiskas (n=mc@87.72.242.147) joined ##slackware. [08:03] Hi [08:04] My slack 13.0 hangs at boot, at "Triggering udev events: /sbin/devadm trigger --type=failed' Worked fine yesterday, now something's gone wrong. Any pointers? [08:06] why not, this depends on one or more question... [08:06] what happened since yesterday? [08:06] whiskas: ^^ [08:07] Camarade_Tux, nothing, really. I just set the system up for a friend, creating a user and tweaking kde a bit. that's it [08:08] whiskas: how long have you waited for it to go on? [08:08] Camarade_Tux, by now, I'd say five minutes [08:09] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:09] Camarade_Tux, can the insertion or removal of a USB device be the cause? [08:09] well, you can try with a reduced number of peripherals [08:10] and also, how many times have you tried? [08:11] Camarade_Tux, I've tried twice now [08:11] Camarade_Tux, shutting down using the power switch both times [08:12] I install: missing destination file operand after `openssl-solibs-0.9.8k-i486-2.txz' [08:13] In which directory directory do I need install openssll-solbis? [08:13] just installpkg it [08:14] don't give any options except the package itself [08:14] ok [08:15] john_dee (n=id@95-29-8-36.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:21] whiskas (n=mc@87.72.242.147) left irc: "Leaving" [08:28] thank you for the help! [08:29] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. 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[08:50] hi there [08:50] ljubak (n=ljubak@cable-94-189-151-167.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [08:51] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-150-196.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:51] giuppy (n=giuppy@host225-160-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:54] gutts (n=gutts@ADijon-554-1-213-147.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:54] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@93.107.144.79) joined ##slackware. [08:55] dissociative (n=alejandr@186.97.112.192) joined ##slackware. [08:56] FriedBob (n=Drinne@c-98-233-70-186.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:57] what happened [08:57] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.68.174.225) joined ##slackware. [09:00] anyone that has been inside reversee engineering knows how to find effectively a bool variable in a running program? [09:01] erm the address of the bool variable [09:04] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:04] welanx (n=welanx@host-177-135-2-96.midco.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:05] jg71 (n=edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:06] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@109.76.36.50) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:06] aryr100 (n=aryr100@cpe-67-248-212-47.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:08] sirslacker (i=1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [09:08] welanx_ (n=welanx@host-177-135-2-96.midco.net) joined ##slackware. [09:09] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [09:10] <|Slacker|> I just got addicted to this sbo thing [09:10] <|Slacker|> just makes life hell easier [09:11] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [09:11] FriedBob_ (n=Drinne@c-98-233-70-186.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:11] slackbuilds.org or sbopkg [09:11] <|Slacker|> sbopkg [09:11] jg71 (n=edud@76.74.129.199) joined ##slackware. [09:12] <|Slacker|> easy to work with, lots of good stuff :) [09:12] whiskas (n=mc@87.72.242.147) joined ##slackware. [09:12] Hi, is it possible to use lilo to boot from a live usb? (My bios doesn't support booting from usb) [09:15] edman007 (n=edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [09:19] man lilo [09:19] FriedBob_ (n=Drinne@c-98-233-70-186.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:19] /usr/doc/lilo-*whatever [09:20] FriedBob_ (n=Drinne@c-98-233-70-186.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:21] whiskas (n=mc@87.72.242.147) left irc: "Leaving" [09:22] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:22] ljubak (n=ljubak@cable-94-189-151-167.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Client Quit [09:23] FriedBob_ (n=Drinne@c-98-233-70-186.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:23] ljubak (n=ljubak@cable-94-189-151-167.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [09:24] <|Slacker|> crap...sbopkg here ain't syncing [09:25] might want to join #sbopkg and see if someone is awake there [09:25] <|Slacker|> alisonken1home, thanks [09:26] FriedBob (n=Drinne@c-98-233-70-186.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:27] giuppy (n=giuppy@host225-160-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:27] giuppy (n=giuppy@host227-194-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:30] teckan (n=teckan@p5B0CB536.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:31] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.71.44) joined ##slackware. [09:33] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. 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[10:36] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.107.212) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:37] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-423037.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:37] nobody here? [10:39] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) left irc: "DISC ([Plasmastar] "*SNEAKS AWAY*")" [10:39] Plasmius (i=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) left irc: Client Quit [10:40] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Client Quit [10:40] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC306FA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [10:41] <|Slacker|> I'm here [10:43] mohaa (n=nome@89.16.15.244) left irc: Connection timed out [10:43] here but not really paying attention [10:44] |Slacker|, may I know what is the file size of Slack 13.0? [10:44] I'm still downloading it right now... [10:45] I think the DVD is 3.7 GB or so [10:45] grazymax (n=grazymax@host187-157-dynamic.12-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:45] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [10:45] <|Slacker|> atom_fox, yeah, the dvd is 3.7 gb [10:46] |Slacker|, I'm downloading it to the 2nd partition of my HD... I'm thinking of installing it on my 1st partition using the 2nd partition as source, I believe that's possible right? [10:47] |Slacker|, I'm not really sure, because haven't tried that yet. [10:47] <|Slacker|> yes it is [10:47] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [10:47] <|Slacker|> you just have to mount it during install [10:48] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:49] mount it the normal way? like mount /dev/sda /mnt/disk ? right? [10:49] <|Slacker|> yup [10:49] sda2 for 2nd partition ^_^ [10:49] <|Slacker|> but during install you're advised to mount anywhere but /mnt [10:49] ?? [10:50] <|Slacker|> slack uses it to mount the target partition during install [10:50] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:50] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [10:51] mounting on /mnt is the safest? right? I heard that slack 13 is already using EXT4, I really don't know the difference between EXT3 and EXT4? which is better? Thanks [10:52] <|Slacker|> atom_fox, dunno, I still use reiserfs, I don't know much about file systems [10:52] ext4 is better - ext3 is an attempt a journaling on top of ext2 [10:52] atom_fox, ext3 is better tested, ext4 has all the new stuff [10:52] as noted, still new, but looks good [10:52] we've been using it at the office lately and it's looking good [10:53] alisonken1home, I'm sorry to ask this but is there a difference between the 2? [10:53] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.17.87) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:54] which 2? [10:54] ext4 and ext3 [10:55] ext3 is journaling on top of ext2, ext4 is designed to journa from the beginning [10:55] ext4 is more equivalent to reiserfs than ext3 [10:56] but I believe ext4 is not yet stable, right? [10:57] it's stable, just not final - like a beta release I believe [10:58] if I wanted to change my current filesystem to ext3 from ext4 is there a way to do it without having to reformat or reinstalling th files? [11:00] don't know if there's a migration tool builtin - so I would have to say you would have to move files to a different partition and reformat [11:01] ok now I get it.. just have to backup the files.. ^_^ [11:02] can somebody seed slackware cd image disk 1? [11:04] uhmm, you can switch ext3 to ext4 with tune2fs [11:04] ananke: not fully [11:04] you can add some ext4 attributes, but not all of them [11:05] such as? [11:05] nyRednek, i'll do it... [11:05] ananke: it's easier to move from ext2 to ext4 as opposed to ext3 to ext4 [11:05] ananke: i don't remember exactly, but it's on the wikipedia page [11:05] he want's to go back to ext3 from ext4, not the other way [11:06] doh, indeed [11:06] alisonken1home: not sure about whether that's possible [11:06] TClayton_ (n=tony@nc-76-3-97-23.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [11:06] atom_fox (n=atom_fox@112.202.160.233) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:06] that's why I suggested move to another partition and reformat [11:07] however, I don't think there's a problem keeping with ext4 [11:07] alisonken1home: ah...i was afk at that time [11:07] nyRednek, seeding disk1 [11:07] edman007: thanks... [11:07] i got a decent upload too [11:07] nyRednek: i don't see which exact attributes of ext4 cannot be applied [11:07] ananke: hold...i'll pull up the link [11:08] nyRednek, are you trying to download? nothing taking stuff from me yet...or are you trying to do the DVD? [11:09] well, he asked about cd1 .... [11:09] edman007: just the cd iso...if it isn't from you, it's from someone [11:09] edman007: it's coming down at 1mb/sec [11:09] nyRednek, well when you get it from me it will at least double [11:10] i got more upload than that [11:10] edman007: i don't have more download than that, though [11:10] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-14-172.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:10] heh [11:10] you are a redneck...where are you? [11:10] edman007: cheapo time warner [11:10] edman007: i'm in the forgotten borough of nyc [11:10] alreadygone (i=1000@59.103.213.206) joined ##slackware. [11:11] nyRednek, well...you can get highspeed there [11:11] Action: edman007 is in nassau [11:11] edman007: i'm on highspeed [11:11] 1meg is not "highspeed" [11:11] edman007: well, broadband [11:11] Action: edman007 has 30meg [11:11] i like to keep my cable bill below $100/mo [11:11] i pay less than $50/mo [11:12] but thats just internet... [11:12] i'm paying like $80 for tv + internet [11:12] that keeps my monthly bills right around $400/month [11:12] which is all i want to pay, beyond rent [11:14] preparing to add an 8 port switch to my network instead of the wifi...a little more secure [11:14] and faster, too. [11:14] Action: edman007 has wifi disabled on his router [11:14] wire > wireless unless you need the portability. [11:14] PhotoJim: well, this machine is jacked into the back of the router [11:14] my router doesn't do WiFi, but I have an AP attached because it's occasionally handy. [11:15] alreadygone (i=1000@59.103.213.206) left irc: Client Quit [11:15] everything i have that is portable has a dead battery :/ [11:15] nyRednek: nothing insecure about that, then, as long as the WiFi is turned off or has decent security. [11:15] PhotoJim: it has wpa2 [11:16] nyRednek: that's pretty secure as long as the passphrase is decent. [11:16] and i've handed my chosen leeches the password(i entered the phrase into their machines) [11:16] well, handed them the password that allows them to see the internet, but not the network [11:17] hrm, maybe that torrent changed or something... [11:17] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@109.78.58.65) joined ##slackware. [11:17] the last thing i need is a multi-page 4 color printout of 1000 pages or so(shares a cups printer) [11:17] heh. [11:18] PhotoJim: you know what i mean...the network print version of a "black fax" [11:18] TClayton (n=tony@nc-76-3-97-23.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:19] PhotoJim: when i lived in arkansas, had a laser printer that someone did that to when i went on a trip to the gulf coast [11:19] nyRednek, thats not that bad...bad is when you come home to find your printer filled with horse pr0n [11:19] PhotoJim: admittedly, i was lax on my wireless security at the time, so it was my fault [11:19] edman007: it's bad enough when they rid your printers of ink/toner [11:20] edman007: you can trash horse porn and still have ink [11:20] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:20] nyRednek: it probably doesn't hurt that I have my printer off when I'm not printing, but I don't share my WiFi anyway. I did for awhile, back in the days when it was polite. now it seems reckless. [11:20] nyRednek, they can do it with lots of solid colors for a background [11:20] nyRednek: (known users excluded, of course) [11:21] edman007: true...but i secured my print server and required encrypted nfs access after(already had the nis logins encrypted) [11:22] nyRednek, encrypted nfs? i suppose your new to nfs huh? [11:22] edman007: i'd do it over an ssh link [11:22] nfs has no security, it is designed for a secure network [11:22] fatherx (i=1000@abraham.sh.cvut.cz) joined ##slackware. [11:23] nyRednek, alright...thats not too bad as long as the network as a whole is secure [11:23] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:23] edman007: i know that nfs in itself cannot be encrypted, but you can always lay nfs over a tunnel scheme [11:23] I don't use any encryption. I just keep a max. of 3 sheets of paper in my printer. [11:24] Hi, pretty simple questions here, im running slackware13.0 64bit, 1st. why would the apache server keep showing the "it works" after i have stopped the service?, 2nd. why i keep receiving permission denied while trying to stop rc.httpd as root? [11:24] TClayton_ (n=tony@nc-76-3-97-23.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. [11:24] nyRednek, yea, but the problem is the server does not use authentication, so unless you restrict the server to localhost it will still let anyone with lan access have the same perms you use [11:24] fuzzix__ (n=fuzzix@109.78.4.105) joined ##slackware. [11:25] and nfs over localhost is not that useful [11:25] fatherx: that happens if rc.httpd is not executable. [11:25] err on localost [11:25] Did you by chance make it non-executable before stopping it? [11:25] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:25] edman007: unless you assign ip's specifically to certain mac addresses(i know about mac address cloning, but that's a risk that is taken) and allow only those ip's on the nfs server [11:26] fatherx, turn the server off then disable it, it does not work the other way around ;) [11:26] alkos333 (n=alkos333@68-30-187-7.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: No route to host [11:26] re-l (n=re-l@c-98-197-118-188.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) left irc: [11:26] nyRednek, nope, mac and IP can be spoofed trivially [11:26] edman007: further, one would need to squash root(squashed by default) [11:27] edman007: but not by n00bs that don't even know what cifs is, much less nfs [11:27] in my installation httpd is not executable [11:27] Then how did it get started in the first place/ [11:27] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [11:28] nyRednek, yea, but the thing is if they can get on your network then can do whatever you can on your nfs server, so you need to put a lot of security to prevent people from getting on the lan (you MUST have a trusted lan with nfs) [11:28] edman007, how can i turn the server off? [11:28] If my LAN is compromised, I'm more worried about the person in the room taking the whole computer. [11:29] fatherx, `apachectl stop` [11:29] that is the command in the script... [11:29] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@93.107.144.79) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:29] EuroTrash, they could root your router which would compromise the lan [11:30] edman007, ok, and by disable the server what do you mean? [11:30] dd-wrt had such a bug, it was only patched 6 months or so ago, people are slow to update router software [11:31] fatherx, if /etc/rc/rc.httpd is executable it starts on boot, if not it does not start, so set the executable bit to do what you want [11:31] ok thank you [11:32] edman007: in theory, but if you restrict access to internal network at router level to certain mac's, and the password on router is sufficiently secure, how would they know which mac's to clone? [11:34] lotec (n=lotec@247.sub-70-218-124.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [11:35] nyRednek, if it is wifi you just need to sniff the network, you can see people using nfs which gives you the mac, ip, and server and path, decent wifi encryption can stop that, but a weak password or encryption method (WEP for example) will make the encryption crackable [11:35] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@109.78.58.65) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:35] I have friends who put their WiFi on a separate subnet, and then force a VPN connection to the primary subnet to get access to NFS. [11:35] and to the LAN in general. [11:36] dissociative (n=alejandr@186.97.112.192) left irc: Connection timed out [11:36] edman007: using wpa2 encryption, and not allowing nfs access to ip's that aren't assigned by jacking into the router [11:36] Hi is there anyway I can get the divX webplayer working on linux, as some sites requires it ? [11:36] dissociative (n=alejandr@186.97.112.192) joined ##slackware. [11:37] PhotoJim: it's better to do that as a separate layer 2 network, not subnets [11:37] given if they're on the same layer 2 network, they can easily spoof the other subnet. [11:37] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:38] fred: good point. [11:38] have 4 machines jacking into router, planning on adding extra security by seaparating the physical network into a separate, non-wifi 8 port router [11:38] nyRednek, won't do anything, the person on the wifi can just set themselves to something that is assigned, or set the right mac and get assigned something [11:38] fred, you live? [11:38] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [11:38] edman007: Barely :p [11:38] long time no see [11:39] edman007: in practice, how would they begin to find the right mac to get the right ip [11:39] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [11:39] edman007: not allowing the machines to set their own ip [11:40] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) left ##slackware. [11:40] nvision (n=nvision@g229054115.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [11:41] edman007: btw, i don't need nsa-level security [11:42] edman007: if i did, the security strategy would be much MUCH more serious [11:42] nyRednek, assuming the password or encryption method is weak enough to crack, it can be done regardless of the security settings at the network level, once cracked you can see any packet over the wifi, if anything is using wifi legitimately it will receive broadcast packets with the mac from basically every device on the network [11:42] edman007: well, the passphrase isn't just an alphanumeric string... [11:42] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Nick collision from services. [11:43] nyRednek, basically, wpa2 with a large random password is "secure", everything else can be hacked by an idiot as the tools for this are at the point where you download, click crack, and then view the network data [11:43] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [11:44] edman007: further, the people i keyed the password in for aren't exactly even to the level of script kiddie(they have me do tech instruction on their playstations and iphones) [11:44] nyRednek, but your router needs to be secure from both the wifi end and the internet end, all other devices on the network are attack points, but you generally don't see those attacks often (but they do happen, for example to hack a router people have done it) [11:44] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [11:45] i can't even remember my wpa password...it's recorded in a composition book that i keep locked in my apartment [11:45] by the time someone gets ahold of that, they already have direct access to my hd [11:46] it was generated by a clock-seeded random function that selected from utf8 [11:47] s/utf8/utf-8 charset [11:49] \o/ http://tinyogg.com/ [11:49] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:50] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:51] edman007: which *should* be sufficient for a small home network [11:51] alreadygone (n=silas@59.103.213.206) joined ##slackware. [11:51] nyRednek, wpa2, not wpa, there is a difference, and a big long password [11:51] and make sure your router software is up to date [11:51] edman007: i meant wpa2, sorry [11:55] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-150-196.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:01] nyRednek_ (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[12:28] francisco (n=francisc@S0106002275466fa5.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:31] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:32] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-126-98.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:34] sirslacker (i=1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: "leaving" [12:36] <|Slacker|> does slackware come with libaudio? [12:37] tmkd (i=user-448@clients.shells.eofnet.lt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:40] yes [12:40] Nick change: dErFz -> derfz [12:40] /var/log/packages/audiofile-0.2.6-i486-2 [12:40] <|Slacker|> 0.o [12:41] <|Slacker|> yeah, audiofile is here too...strange [12:41] <|Slacker|> then the package I installed is screwed up [12:42] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:43] hmmm...does one need wodim to burn without appending hdx=ide-scsi to lilo? [12:45] can (n=can@63.149.173.1) left irc: Client Quit [12:46] |Slacker|: more information could help us help you. [12:46] yay we're still +R [12:46] oh no it's spook [12:46] spook: ok, maybe you can help me with this one... [12:47] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-71-254-118-131.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:47] <|Slacker|> antiwire, don't worry, I'm pretty sure it's the package, I installed Opera from slacky community and when I tied to run it, it can't find libaudio [12:47] <|Slacker|> maybe it's some linkage issue [12:47] |Slacker|: slacky.eu does some strange things [12:47] spook: i got slack 13 on an old(pata) system...do i need to a) install wodim and/or b)append hdx=ide-scsi to my kernel argument line? [12:48] <|Slacker|> antiwire, yeah [12:49] After reading through some of their build methods I'm close to throwing slacky.eu into the same category of LP.net [12:49] <|Slacker|> I see [12:49] <|Slacker|> I've never used LP anymore [12:50] i've never used LP [12:50] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:50] LnxSlck (i=LnxSlck@89.214.146.151) joined ##slackware. [12:50] <|Slacker|> I always thought there was a standard method to build slackware packages [12:51] There are good methods and bad methods. [12:51] linXea (n=slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: "Leaving" [12:52] <|Slacker|> I see [12:53] Action: |Slacker| doesn't know crap about building packages [12:55] gustavopimp (n=pimpgust@189-112-099-005.static.ctbctelecom.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:55] <|Slacker|> in fact I'm trying to find a good package of Opera for slackware [12:56] <|Slacker|> the official one still depends on qt3 [12:56] <|Slacker|> sbo's dunno why screws up my system [12:56] There's QT4 builds but they're rather hard to find, sometimes. [12:56] LnxSlck (i=LnxSlck@89.214.146.151) left irc: Connection reset by peer [12:56] Best to get a manual ftp url. [12:56] |Slacker|: there's qt3-compat libs on slack 13 [12:56] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [12:56] well, in the extra directory [12:56] <|Slacker|> nyRednek, hmmm...thanks [12:56] LnxSlck (i=LnxSlck@89.214.146.151) joined ##slackware. [12:56] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [12:57] <|Slacker|> gotta take a look at that [12:57] |Slacker|: yeah... [12:57] What on SBo "screws up" your system? [12:57] http://ftp.tiscali.nl/opera/linux/1010/final/en/x86_64/ [12:57] <|Slacker|> antiwire, well..all of a sudden processing goes sky high and it only happens when I'm using Opera [12:58] and how is that an SBo problem? [12:58] <|Slacker|> nyRednek, but that package is for 64 bits archy isn't it? [12:59] anybody , can me help, with a script vsftpd that not work in the boot? only manually. [12:59] http://ftp.tiscali.nl/opera/linux/1010/final/en/i386/ [12:59] <|Slacker|> antiwire, because it's the package I took from there [12:59] <|Slacker|> thanks EuroTrash [12:59] you didn't get a package from SBo. you got a build script [13:00] <|Slacker|> hmmm [13:00] |Slacker|: and, iirc, there's SBo builder archive for opera on SBo [13:00] |Slacker|: i think for both [13:00] |Slacker|: but it isn't a package, it's a builder archive [13:00] <|Slacker|> so it downloads the official package and build it into against my system? [13:00] in other words, you get the builder archive, put the source in the extracted directory, and run the slackbuild script to build your own package [13:00] sirslacker (i=1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [13:00] <|Slacker|> oh I see [13:00] matumatu (n=matumatu@client80-83-42-195.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [13:00] |Slacker|: no, YOU download the official source, place it in directory, and run the script as root [13:01] <|Slacker|> nyRednek, no no no...with sbopkg everything is done by it [13:01] |Slacker|: with sbopkg [13:01] good lord. [13:02] |Slacker|: i didn't say anything about sbopkg [13:02] <|Slacker|> ok..nevermind [13:02] The Opera build is a binary repackage. [13:02] antiwire: i know... [13:02] SBO is not causing your system issues. [13:02] <|Slacker|> I got it [13:02] antiwire: but trying to introduce him to something resembling the concept of SBo [13:02] <|Slacker|> it was my mistake to think that [13:03] ptz. anybody? can help me with script vsftpd? [13:04] script? [13:04] antiwire: not touching that one [13:04] lol [13:05] PsYkHe: Can you be more specific? [13:06] script that I make, or copy of mysql script. [13:06] gustavopimp (n=pimpgust@189-112-099-005.static.ctbctelecom.com.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:06] him not work in the boot. [13:06] only manually. [13:07] trying to get mirrors.tds.net to download and install dvd+rw-tools to see if it would allow me to burn without appending kernel args [13:07] nyRednek: i dont see why you would. [13:07] You want vsftp to start automatically? [13:07] http://istgroup.no-ip.org:8080/vsftpd.txt [13:07] my script. [13:07] antiwire, yes, in boot. [13:07] uncomment it in /etc/inetd.conf [13:08] that link is so slow i'm not even going to wait for it. Use pastebin [13:09] spook: why i would what? [13:09] nyRednek: the question you asked half an hour ago [13:10] spook: the cdrecord options find the atapi burner, but don't see it as supported [13:11] antiwire, try again. [13:11] please! [13:11] 'll let everyone else click that to haystack my ip [13:13] PsYkHe: you do not need to write an init script for vsftp. [13:13] It is handled by inetd. [13:15] <|Slacker|> strange....Opera looks for libaudio.so.2 and my slack has libaudio.so.0.0.2 then it doesn't work, is there a way to fix that? [13:15] use symlinks? [13:16] |Slacker|: ln is your friend [13:16] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.75.135) joined ##slackware. [13:16] <|Slacker|> is it something like ln -s? [13:16] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-71-254-118-131.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: "rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.3.1" [13:16] |Slacker|: yeah [13:19] antiwire, the recommend is run vsftpd in standalone, understand? [13:19] matumatu (n=matumatu@client80-83-42-195.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Client Quit [13:20] PsYkHe: who recommended that? [13:20] <|Slacker|> nyRednek, it worked, thanks [13:21] PsYkHe: The man page says that because setting up inetd from scratch might be more difficult than standalone. Slackware comes setup to use vsftpd from inetd. [13:21] read txt of install his! [13:21] jhw (n=jhw@p5B3E6856.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:22] I just told you. [13:22] man page of slackware? [13:22] wtf did I just say? [13:22] PsYkHe: the man page for vsftpd [13:22] PsYkHe: does it hurt to be so thick? [13:23] Slackware comes setup to start vsftpd from inetd. It is already there and ready to go. Uncomment the god damn line. [13:23] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@62-47-140-10.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:23] nyRednek, putz. [13:23] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@62-47-142-83.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [13:23] PsYkHe: you are the one being a putz. you are the one trying to use the mysql rc script for vsftpd when vsftpd already has an inetd entry. [13:24] antiwire: not worth the chara from your tuccas [13:24] The rage train is leaving the station. [13:24] the best isnt use inetd. [13:25] is standalone./ [13:25] PsYkHe: Oh? and you can tell us why that is the case? [13:25] PsYkHe: then use rc.local...how hard is it? [13:25] the script not is mysql, read /usr/local/sbin/vsftpd [13:25] O_o [13:25] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.230.168) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:25] usr/local? [13:25] wtf [13:26] PsYkHe: gtfo. leave now. [13:26] antiwire: he isn't using the version packaged for slack, obviously, then asking why his self-compiled version isn't working as expected [13:26] jhw (n=jhw@p5B3E6856.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:26] and he calls us putz [13:26] antiwire: that's chutzpah [13:27] nyRednek, is this. [13:27] nyRednek, but with to use rc.local in slackware? [13:27] i know in openbsd. [13:27] and slackware? [13:27] dude. [13:27] again, slackware is setup to start vsftpd from inetd. [13:27] PsYkHe: to the closet, get a broomstick, and fuck yourself...done with your stupid ass [13:28] nyRednek, vai se fude! [13:28] PsYkHe: If you are running Slackware, why is your vsftpd in /usr/local? [13:28] PsYkHe: tu merde es la prostituee ville [13:29] antiwire, is compiled. [13:29] wrong language.. :-) [13:29] hard it? [13:29] MarderIII, beautifull language. [13:29] PsYkHe: Slackware comes with vsftpd. [13:29] MarderIII: irrelevent...he speaks his language, and i can speak mine [13:29] pupiteee1 (n=p@93.87.96.226) left irc: Client Quit [13:29] pupiteee (n=p@93.87.96.226) joined ##slackware. [13:29] :-D [13:30] nyRednek, you is irrelevent. [13:30] ;) [13:30] heheheh [13:30] cute, he copies my typos [13:30] I disliked PsYkHe's behaviour in #mysql, now he's bothering you guys. [13:31] jhw (n=jhw@p5B3E6856.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:31] He just doesn't get it. [13:31] The-Croupier (n=ChrisOne@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [13:31] ah thumbs, they are causing [13:31] I want freedom overall [13:31] The-Croupier (n=ChrisOne@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [13:31] antiwire: oh, he's clueless all right. I can attest to that. [13:31] standalone mode *would* be easier if Slackware didn't come presetup to start vsftpd from inetd. [13:31] what an annyance [13:32] annoyance* [13:32] PsYkHe: I didn't see that. I see you arguing and not listening to advice. [13:32] It's still easier. It's a one-line change to vsftpd.conf that's braindead simple *if* you know enough about running vsftpd to call others a putz. [13:32] <|Slacker|> yeah, me too [13:32] PsYkHe: they're trying to tell you the proper way to do this. [13:32] OpenVPN seems to rely indirectly over DNS to make vpns through the internet :( [13:33] antiwire: i'm betting that this is likely a script kiddie who just compromised an old slack box [13:33] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.107.212) joined ##slackware. [13:33] thumbs, read INSTALL file of vsftpd source file, say standalone recommend. [13:33] is there a way to make a vpn without having to depend over dns when a vpn server has dynamic IP? [13:33] PsYkHe: why? Tell us. [13:33] PsYkHe: I run all my ftp sites with inetd, without problems. [13:33] This is like one of those premixed margaritas. everything is ready already. You hardly need to do anything. You especially don't need to install vsftpd to /usr/local. [13:34] inetd is easy broken. [13:34] yes, why did he compile it to begin with? [13:34] PsYkHe: prove it. [13:34] version actually. is 2.2.12 [13:34] PsYkHe: prove it. [13:34] version package of slackware is old. [13:34] I thought inetd was the preferred method. [13:34] simple! [13:34] re-l (n=re-l@c-98-197-118-188.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:35] agentc0re: it is the preferred method [13:35] bug fix in the new version. [13:35] PsYkHe: so use the slackbuild script to upgrade it. Don't compile from source in /usr/local [13:35] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.107.212) left irc: Client Quit [13:35] or how to make a machine have a presence over the internet without having to spend time and money with third party services [13:35] PsYkHe: learn how to do things properly. [13:35] dissociative: dyndns.org maybe? [13:36] nyRednek: I said without third party stuff [13:36] dissociative: afraid.org [13:36] Unless you have the SlackBuilds? I make? best I compiled. [13:36] dyndns is hell annoying [13:36] dissociative: you said time AND money... [13:36] PsYkHe: the slackbuild is on the mirrors, in source/ [13:36] dissociative: maybe so [13:36] dissociative: dns record can be setup to update using wget. [13:36] <|Slacker|> PsYkHe, c'mon dude, slackbuilds is way better, simpler, faster [13:36] PsYkHe: now, pay attention. I won't repeat all this for you. [13:36] dissociative: Aren't ALL Internet DNS servers "third party stuff"? [13:36] looks like I gotta use windows only for now.... [13:37] yes unless I setup my own.. [13:37] but, not has source actually, new version, or no? [13:37] or if you use caching example on slackware :p [13:37] |Slacker|: give it up...if he had any sense, he'd be in pain from being so stupid...but you know the saying: no sense, no feeling [13:37] how do you plan to setup your own internet DNS server? [13:37] dissociative: wtf do you need to have your own external dns server? [13:37] new version, fix bugs,..oh. [13:37] john_dee (n=id@95-29-8-36.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Client Quit [13:37] PsYkHe: no, you alter the slackbuild to install the new version! [13:37] PsYkHe: use a text editor [13:38] PsYkHe: read the packagename.Slackbuild file. [13:38] well I need a way to access my machine when outside and for others too but I feel like I want to try something different to dynamic dns [13:38] thumbs, I already new version, I compiled, only the script not work. [13:38] simple. [13:38] if there's that something [13:38] PsYkHe: oh, I see, you're not listening to me. Good luck. [13:39] john_dee (n=id@95-29-8-36.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:39] dissociative: while you're at it why dont you reinvent the wheel? [13:39] slackbuilds, go create my script? [13:39] spook: lol [13:39] dissociative: What else will provide you with a globally resolvable address on the internet that isn't DNS? [13:39] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-126-98.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [13:39] ok! [13:40] thumbs: He's too interested in how he thinks it should be and or should work. :/ [13:40] thank for help. :) argh. [13:40] but I would like that 'what else' to be under my control [13:40] agentc0re: I see that. [13:40] agentc0re: I have no more patience for him. [13:40] I dont want depend of something that I dont have control or freeddom [13:40] dissociative: There is not standard "what else". It is called DNS. [13:40] To be clear, either standalone or inetd mode is fine for vsftpd. Running it from inetd is "simpler" for many new users, but either way is fine. If you have to ask for help making it work, then you are NOT qualified to criticise either method. [13:40] dissociative: I don't think you understand how this works. [13:40] PsYkHe: that ^ is for you. [13:40] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:40] thumbs, the version mysql 5.0.83 is safe? [13:41] PsYkHe: define "saef" [13:41] okay [13:41] not has bug, is security? [13:41] dissociative: whether or not you use dyndns or some other dynamic service, you are still using servers out of your control. [13:41] dissociative: here's the easy answer. Call up your ISP and ask for a static IP. [13:41] PsYkHe: check the open bug list on mysql.com [13:41] that is the last resort [13:41] PsYkHe: 5.1 is GA. You should use GA. [13:41] heheheh, ok, thanks boy. [13:41] PsYkHe: boy? [13:42] dissociative: no no, its clear what you need to do. reinvent the wheel. [13:42] ok , man, I use yet. [13:42] yes [13:42] dissociative: Okay, so lets think this out. Easy... Calling ISP.. HARD(Because you don't understand) Setting up DDNS on an external DNS server that you build.... hrmm. [13:42] anyone know what the hell PsYkHe is talking about? [13:42] that's a tough one. [13:42] thumbs, heheheh... [13:42] I have setup ddns before [13:43] thanks thumbs, you not understand me, but I understand you. [13:43] but its annoying that for some of other reaspm [13:43] reason [13:43] I use dyndns and I have a paid for account. I have domain names registered through dyndns. My ISP fails more than dyndns has. In fact, dyndns has never been the point of failure for me. [13:43] dissociative: i've used dyndns before. They've changed their policy and you have to login ever so often so they don't delete your account. Other DDNS servies have their pro's and con's too. This is up for you to decided. [13:43] after not updating I get deactiveted [13:43] dissociative: Stick to either an already provided service or call your ISP. [13:44] thumbs, by default, slackware come with mysql 5.0.83. is this that I talk. [13:44] i use afraid.org it works for me. you dont have to login every so often, and can update via wget. [13:44] PsYkHe: you can esily upgrade the 5.1 with the slackbuild, again. [13:44] Srbo_ (n=Srbo@109.93.176.28) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:45] chroot is easy with package install. not with compile file. this in the case mysql. [13:45] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:45] Action: thumbs ignores PsYkHe [13:45] antiwire: Ah, looks like their prices have gone down since i last looked. Not a bad deal if you ask me. [13:45] sorry, thumbs, ok. without more. [13:46] agentc0re: They've been great for me. I also have full access to DNS changes [13:46] spook: that looks better [13:46] antiwire: I'd hope you do. :P hehe. [13:47] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-71-69.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:47] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-71-69.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:47] dissociative: its what i use for my dns for 4 domains. [13:48] works extremely well. [13:48] i have an interesting question that i'm working on testing [13:48] and seeing if anyone knows before i do it [13:49] say that i install just cd 1 on a client machine, and nfs mount /usr /opt and /home, as well as nis the user accounts ...would i need to do any intensive config otherwise to get the machine to have ability to use all of software installed in /usr on the nfs server? [13:53] seems like an odd way to do things, since you'd pretty much lose any benefit from using the package system. at least, i think. [13:55] quicktime (n=marcelo@189.101.97.65) joined ##slackware. [13:55] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Connection timed out [13:55] Traveler323 (n=traveler@62.196.28.185) joined ##slackware. [13:56] spook: well, the client doesn't support pxe boot...and doesn't have capacity to hold slack...i'm hoping managing packages on nfs server with occasional slackpkg update and slackpkg upgrade-all on client will keep both up to date and useable [13:57] nyRednek: so go entire / nfs [13:58] spook: so when machine comes up, mount / nfs? [13:58] remember, packages have files outside of /usr [13:58] nyRednek: there a FAQ on the cd, i think. [13:58] spook: what of the client specific /etc? [13:59] and of the network config scripts needed for nfs mount? [13:59] nyRednek: is this that old PC you were trying to get slackware on last night? have you considered installing the harddrive in a different computer long enough to get slackware installed then moving it back to that old PC? [13:59] Pig_Pen: no, got that one up now... [13:59] Pig_Pen: referring to another machine with a smaller hd [14:00] anyways, going to bed...will deal with this tonight [14:00] nyRednek: basically it just seems wrong to me [14:00] your place must look like Sanford & Son's junk shop with all the old PCs laying around [14:01] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.107.212) joined ##slackware. [14:01] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.107.212) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:01] mine used to, it looks quite modernish now [14:01] i really need to get a half-height rack [14:01] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "Bored by the chore of saving face." [14:02] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [14:04] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-126-98.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:04] LnxSlck (i=LnxSlck@89.214.146.151) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:05] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. 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[14:10] SiegeX (i=219@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Excess Flood [14:10] cmeow (i=cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [14:10] what more, when run rc.inet1 by hand route shows properly set gateway [14:10] cmeow (i=cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) left irc: Excess Flood [14:10] bradhex (n=chris@c-98-193-248-168.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:10] Traveler323 (n=traveler@62.196.28.185) left irc: Client Quit [14:11] mac-: rc.inet1 is what is run at boot. [14:11] cmeow (i=cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [14:11] so somethings funky. [14:11] cmeow (i=cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) left irc: Excess Flood [14:11] SiegeX (i=219@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [14:11] SiegeX (i=219@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Excess Flood [14:11] cmeow (i=cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [14:11] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-96-11.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [14:11] SiegeX (i=219@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [14:12] Hey guys, I tried in the nvidia channel but nobody even responded so last resort is here. I just installed an nvidia geforce and when I startx my screen is in two different shades, one being regular on the left side, and the other being slightly darker on the right. I don't know what to search for, where to go, any suggestions would be really helpful. [14:12] bradhex: perhaps some more information might help [14:12] cmeow (i=cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) left irc: Excess Flood [14:12] SiegeX (i=219@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Excess Flood [14:13] spook: I`ve grep /etc with eth0 ip as condition, and it looks like rc.inet1 is run at booit to set ip`s of interfaces [14:13] so it should set also gw [14:13] mac-: yes thats what i just said. [14:13] cmeow (i=cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [14:13] SiegeX (i=219@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [14:14] spook: That's pretty much it. My screen has the left part being of normal color, then the right side is a entirely darker. I even tried using the vesa drivers and still have this problem. Everything is fine except you notice two sections of the screen because of the contrast in shading. [14:15] bradhex: are you using slackware? which version? what xorg driver are you using? can you pastebin your xorg log? thats just off the top of my head for "more information" [14:17] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-150-196.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:17] anyone had problems installing windows 7 with a pre existing slack install? [14:17] spook: I'm using slackware -current and this even happens before I start up X. For example, when I use pkgtool in the console there is still the shading problem. [14:18] LnxSlck: nope. [14:18] mac: pastebin your inet1.conf [14:18] spook, i instaled windows 7 (in one partition) and now slackware gives me kernel panic :( [14:18] LnxSlck: windows install nuked slackware install? or nuked the boot manager? [14:18] LnxSlck: you nuked your slackware install. [14:18] MarderIII, nuked the slackware install [14:19] LnxSlck: The whole partition? [14:19] spook, yes. but it shouldn't, has i had vista in one partition and slack in other [14:19] bradhex: check your dmesg, check the card in another pc or os. this is pretty basic debugging stuff. [14:19] spook, then i upgraded vista to 7 [14:19] agentc0re: but look at it [14:19] Jan 17 20:02:17 proton logger: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1: /sbin/route add default gw 192.168.2.6 metric 1 [14:19] Jan 17 20:02:17 proton logger: SIOCADDRT: No such process [14:19] LnxSlck: i had no problems, so you probably did something wrong or by accident. [14:19] MarderIII, well i believe evything is in slack partition, it just doesn t boot [14:19] wtf [14:19] spook: Yes, it's pretty basic debugging stuff if I had another OS or a pc [14:20] spook: I know this isn't also the right channel, but it's hard to search google for "geforce slackware nvidia shading problem" you know? [14:20] spook, how can i overcome this kernel panic not syncinc root partition? [14:20] LnxSlck: boot the install disk and see if your slack partition is still there and has files. [14:20] mac-: did you do a full install? is this just happening after an install? [14:20] spook, yes, everything is there [14:20] LnxSlck: windows has this annoying habbit to replace the bootmanager [14:20] mac-: has it ever worked? [14:20] MarderIII, i already recover the bootmanager [14:21] MarderIII, but when i boot slack it just gives me kernel panic [14:21] agentc0re: it has been worked before, but for some time ago died [14:21] my partition table hasn't changed [14:21] only IP`s of interfaces up corretly, gw not [14:21] mac-: hrm. how long ago? [14:21] about 1 month [14:21] <|Slacker|> LnxSlck, it happens 'cuz lilo is searching for your partitions in the wrong place [14:21] I didn`t do any installations on that time [14:21] <|Slacker|> boot the cd and edit your lilo.conf [14:22] |Slacker|: no it doesn't, lilo doesn't cause a kernel panic [14:22] maybe that the hard drive letter/number changed [14:22] |Slacker|, my partitions remaing the same, sda1 for 7 and sda2 for slack [14:22] in which package rc.d initializationn scripts are ? [14:22] mac-: did it happen after upgrading to slack13 by chance? [14:22] lotec (n=lotec@247.sub-70-218-124.myvzw.com) left irc: "And Punt" [14:22] LnxSlck: partition types the same? [14:22] agentc0re, no [14:22] MarderIII, yes [14:22] bradhex (n=chris@c-98-193-248-168.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:22] MarderIII, windows 7 boots fine from lilo, but linux doesn t [14:23] OpenSys (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:23] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:23] mac-: what version are you running now? [14:23] SiegeX (i=219@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Excess Flood [14:23] <|Slacker|> last time I hasd this "not syncing" problem it was something with lilo and the discs [14:23] SiegeX (i=219@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [14:23] <|Slacker|> different partitions I think [14:24] |Slacker|, but mine remain the same :S [14:24] LnxSlck: Just checking.. Your are _really_ booting from lilo? [14:24] MarderIII, yes [14:25] MarderIII, after windows 7 instalation i lost lilo, but then i mounted and chown my linux partition and got lilo back [14:25] chown? [14:25] chrooted [14:25] LnxSlck: chown ?? as root? [14:25] MarderIII, chroot [14:25] sorry [14:26] agentc0re: system after upgrade to current, I can tell you which version of package with this rc.d scripts have got [14:27] mac-: Ah, so it happened after the upgrade to current then. I wonder if something didn't get updated from current. Do you have slackpkg setup to do updates from a current repo? [14:28] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-72-126-110.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:28] LnxSlck: at which part of the boot process does the kernel panic? when it tries to identify hd/partitions ? [14:28] MarderIII, i believe so, i'll boot slack and be right back with more details [14:28] thanks [14:28] LnxSlck (i=LnxSlck@89.214.146.151) left irc: "Saindo" [14:29] agentc0re: nope, after update it works good :) [14:29] broken now [14:29] update has been made in half of previous year [14:29] stop working for abpout 1 month ago [14:29] :) [14:30] mac-: do you have slackpkg setup to update from -current repo? [14:30] anyone knows a good tutorial to vsftpd? [14:32] I think I know [14:33] agentc0re: doing it manually with installpkg/upgradepkg [14:33] man vsftpd; /usr/doc/vsftpd*; grep -i vsftpd /usr/doc/Linux-HOWTOs [14:34] oops [14:34] Srbo (n=Srbo@109.93.176.28) joined ##slackware. [14:35] it is: grep -i vsftpd /usr/doc/Linux-HOWTOs/* [14:36] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-126-98.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [14:36] Dang man we are still going on about vsftpd? [14:39] mac-: well setup slackpkg to use a -current mirror of your choosing. then blacklist any packages you wouldn't want to lose and i'd do a slackpkg clean-system; slackpkg upgrade-all; slackpkg install-new [14:40] any different that I starting my eth0 from rc.local from module ? [14:40] it have to be compiled into kernel instead ? [14:40] LnxSlck: check your /etc/fstab. If slack tries to do an automount of a changed/altered windows partition it could give errors. comment out the references to the windows partition. [14:40] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:40] hcfd (n=fed@host86-173-108-105.range86-173.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [14:42] LnxSlck: Have you booted from te CD and reinstalled lilo again? [14:42] mac-: or you could reinstall all the n directory. honestly it sounds like a problem with some corrupt file. [14:42] mac-: or something missing. 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[15:25] install all of /n/\ [15:29] slackbot grep -e ping -e ftp -e netstat -e rc.inet1 /var/log/packages/* [15:29] we need some sort of remote shell [15:29] oops [15:30] xD [15:30] rc\.inet1 [15:30] mac-: iputils [15:34] jjholt2 (n=jjholt@cpe-98-30-55-57.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:34] jjjholt (n=CSharpIR@cpe-98-30-55-57.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:34] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-175-100-32.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:35] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:35] it is possible to use remote asistence from linux to a windows machine? [15:36] using rdp, yes with an rdp client. [15:36] its not exactly the same that remote desktop [15:36] jjjholt (n=CSharpIR@cpe-98-30-55-57.woh.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [15:36] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left ##slackware. 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[15:57] how would i go about renaming my eth1 & eth2 interfaces to eth0 & eth1 ? [15:57] I was talking about the remote asistence process [15:57] beatzz: what is now called eth0, then ? [15:57] dissociative: it's RDP, but set up differently [15:57] paissad (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:57] beatzz: are they the only ethernet interfaces on your computer? [15:58] eth0 = eth1 [15:58] if yes, delete /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules file and restart udev [15:58] and yes alicephilippa [15:58] alisonken1home, * [15:59] then to rename eth1 to eth0, swap the "Attr{address}==".." values or swap the "NAME=.." values [15:59] in the *persisten-net.rules file [16:00] soo... i delete this file? [16:00] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:00] ... [16:00] then i have to rename the devices in the file? [16:00] either delete it or edit it swapping the "NAME=.." values [16:00] inside the file [16:00] yes, of course, first delete the file, then changeit [16:01] it's easier to delete, then restart usuall [16:01] y [16:01] beatzz: if you delete it a reboot will re-detect what is eth0 and eth1 [16:01] roger [16:01] which may not be of any use unless you answer my question [16:01] which was? [16:01] what is now eth0 [16:01] if you're using wicd, don't forget to change them in options too ;-) [16:01] Install Nvidia 6200...installed drivers [16:01] WHY is eth0 not present [16:01] as i said, [16:01] on bootup, I get a blank screen [16:01] eth0 = eth1 [16:01] no [16:01] ..what could it be? [16:02] you have eth1 and eth2, so you don't HAVE eth0 [16:02] I raised my AGP Aperature & checked BIOS settings [16:02] redtricycle: booting to which runlevel? [16:02] user__ (n=user@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:02] the console [16:02] okay adaptr im not shure im following you here? [16:02] at first...I started up after I left it for a couple of minutes [16:02] So I set my liloconfig to use the standard [16:02] lilo [16:02] i want to rename them so i DO have an eth0 [16:02] redtricycle: does the system seem still alive? [16:02] How can I tell? [16:02] yes, so why is there now no eth0 [16:03] redtricycle: hard disk activity, and does it react to Ctrl+Alt+Del? [16:03] I think it is alive -- i see it connected to the network [16:03] redtricycle: try logging in and type startx (I know you don't see anything ;-) = [16:03] adaptr, i dont know why i wasent assigned an eth0 [16:03] s/=/)/ [16:03] Nevermind... [16:03] it says its not connected [16:03] adaptr, i just installed a new card, in pci, and it made it eth1 / eth2 [16:03] it was an old cached copy [16:03] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:04] beatzz: and you took out the old card ? [16:04] ...let's try that again [16:04] redtricycle: anyway, try Ctrl+Alt+Del after a minute, does it reboot? [16:05] redtricycle: also, after how long does it happen? right after the kernel starts loading or after a few seconds? anything gets displayed at all? [16:05] adaptr, no, eth0 WAS my onboard [16:05] wish I had a boot disk or sometihng... [16:05] adaptr, then i installed a second, PCI ethernet card [16:05] Camarade_Tux: I see the post screen [16:05] then something flashes "NO Keyboard detected!" [16:05] and then a blank screen [16:05] beatzz: if something changed the mac address of the card, then udev will rename it to a new ethX interface [16:05] adaptr, when i did this, my interfaces where renamed [16:05] that's a udev thing [16:06] user__ (n=user@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:06] redtricycle: you don't make it to lilo? or do you only have one entry in your lilo.conf (so that it boots directly on it, without asking you anything)? [16:06] I dont make ti to lilo [16:06] I only have one entry [16:06] beatzz: It also has to do with when the cards get initialized by the kernel as to which one get's the lower eth interface [16:06] I have a 2 minute delay [16:06] in the lilo [16:06] user__ (n=user@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:06] user__ (n=user@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:06] and what did you use to install the nvidia drivers? [16:07] user__ (n=user@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:07] I got the following message in my syslog. What does it mean? I am using SL 13. [16:07] http://pastebin.com/m4e572aab [16:07] I installed an ATI card [16:07] and installed the nvidia drivers [16:08] then installed the nvidia card [16:08] So, it works with the ATI card [16:08] but not the nvidia card [16:08] user__ (n=user@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:08] you needed to install the nvidia card before installing the nvidia drivers [16:09] Do I really? [16:09] Kiboney (n=kiboney_@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:09] thing is it shouldn't change anything if you're not making it to lilo [16:09] nvidia installer checks your video card before instlalling the drivers [16:09] it does, but you can bypass it [16:09] if you put the ati card back, can you boot? [16:09] let me try right now [16:11] raela (n=raela@cpe-67-241-17-135.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:11] redtricycle, Wait, with the nvidia card in, you don't even make it to lilo? [16:11] yes [16:11] Not quite sure how this is a slackware, linux, or driver issue, then :-) [16:11] I can boot with ATI [16:11] most likely bad card then [16:11] Perhaps some incompatibility between your video card and mother board or a bad card. [16:12] hrm [16:12] T_T [16:12] Does the nvidia require some external power source that you don't have hooked up? [16:12] Or maybe you do have it hooked up but the card requires more power than the powersupply can handle? [16:12] raela (n=raela@cpe-67-241-17-135.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:13] Kiboney (n=kiboney_@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:14] No, nvidia does not take an external power [16:14] tried it on another system? [16:15] ah...my PS is 200W and the card is 300W minimum [16:15] xD * [16:15] Kiboney (n=kiboney_@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:15] So this is in line with that reason? 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[16:27] Kiboney (n=kiboney_@cpe-72-227-153-82.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:27] Kiboney (n=kiboney_@cpe-72-227-153-82.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:27] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.71.44) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [16:28] Kiboney (n=kiboney_@cpe-72-227-153-82.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection reset by peer [16:28] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.71.44) joined ##slackware. [16:28] Kiboney (n=kiboney_@cpe-72-227-153-82.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:28] Okay. [16:28] if i can boot from USB [16:28] what does that mean? [16:28] with the nvidia card [16:29] that it's the OS? [16:29] okay, i got the udev eth* nameing issue figured out. [16:29] its solved [16:30] now, why isent eth1 being brough up automaticlay [16:30] Kiboney (n=kiboney_@cpe-72-227-153-82.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:30] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:30] i have to "ifconfig eth1 up" every time [16:30] Kiboney (n=kiboney_@cpe-72-227-153-82.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:30] ...i'm going to reinstall slack [16:30] maybe lilo's messed up? [16:31] i already reinstalled lilo and it didnt help [16:31] anyway to turn off the bitmap at startup? [16:31] beatzz: is this wired or wireless? if it's wired then check your /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf file and see if the second eth device is set up [16:31] alisonken1home, neither look setup in inet1.conf [16:31] redtricycle: it's always a good idea to turn off the bitmap when troubleshooting video issues [16:31] eth0's only option thats on is [16:31] beatzz: is wicd installed? [16:32] not on this paticular machine no. [16:32] Kiboney (n=kiboney_@cpe-72-227-153-82.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:32] if "dhcp=yes" then it's auto setup [16:32] giuppy (n=giuppy@host227-194-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:32] okay so just set both dhcp to yes [16:32] Kiboney (n=kiboney_@cpe-72-227-153-82.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:32] as long as both have access to dhcp services, then you can do that, yes [16:33] Kiboney (n=kiboney_@cpe-72-227-153-82.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:33] okay. [16:34] eventualy this will be the dhcp server for my network. [16:34] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.71.44) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [16:34] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.71.44) joined ##slackware. [16:35] if that machine is going to be your dhcp server, then you want to manually assign network information, and possibly setup a local dns server for the rest of the machines as well [16:35] Uh. Turned off bitmap and it boots. [16:35] ...what the heck [16:35] text takes less power than graphics [16:36] Seriously? I am *that* borderline? [16:36] on the pwoer? [16:36] X boots up [16:36] possibly - and did you rerun nvidia install script after installing the nvidia card? [16:36] Ah...I wanted a new PS anyway [16:36] no, i shouldnt have to, right? [16:36] the nvidia card compiled to the kernel [16:36] with the kernel ehaders [16:37] nvidia is proprietary, it's always a good idea to rerun the installer on nvidia after installing a card [16:37] OK [16:37] I will listen [16:37] the other problem with proprietary nvidia is you have to rerun the installer after changing kernels as well [16:37] nod [16:38] I had to pass a -k $(uname -r) [16:38] alisonken1home: exactly why I went for nouveau ;-) [16:38] b/c their driver is newer... [16:38] and compiled with a different version of gcc [16:38] when nouveau can work with dual monitors like I use, then I'll be able to do that as well :) [16:38] Ok, if I buy a 400W power supply... [16:38] alisonken1home: if you're only changing minor options, you can consider putting nvidia.ko into /usr/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/misc, it'll survive 'make modules_install' [16:38] that doesnt mean I'm using more power, right? [16:38] my components are the same [16:38] alisonken1home: want me to test? [16:39] ferijan (n=ferijan@d14-69-175-228.try.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [16:39] Camerade_Tux: I've tried that a year ago and when I booted between 2 kernels on the same machine I still ended up rerunning the nvidia installer [16:40] redtricycle: the difference is _which_ components are being used between the text-mode and graphics mode [16:40] alisonken1home: anyway, slackware's X is not recent enough, nouveau is a bit painful right now [16:40] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cpe-98-30-55-57.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:40] true :) [16:41] ferijan (n=ferijan@d14-69-175-228.try.wideopenwest.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:41] alisonken1home: dual display working [16:42] the longest thing has been to get the CRT to warm up ;-) [16:42] slackware-current? [16:42] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:43] alisonken1home: yes but: "Linux jarjar 2.6.33-rc4 #25" [16:43] ok - I'm running -current and 64-current with the stock kernel that was uploaded last saturday [16:43] alisonken1home: but it has been working for years for me, the only thing is that everything doesn't work for each card [16:44] yeah - that's the rub [16:44] I jumped on 2.6.33-rc1 because of nouveau ;-) [16:44] alisonken1home: which card do you have btw? [16:44] the one that died is at the office [16:44] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-126-98.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:44] it died last week in fact [16:45] after only 9 months of use in a dual-display setup [16:45] hehe :P [16:45] it was an nvidia with dual digital outputs [16:45] think the office paid around $89 for it [16:47] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. 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[16:56] na, it's from east coast to west coast [16:56] i get around 15 megs a thread [16:56] jeev: "how would multiple threads be faster?" "because multiple threads are faster" [16:56] ;-) [16:56] Camarade_Tux, damn you and your kremlin [16:56] jeev: come have a glass of vodka ;-) [16:56] nop [16:56] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [16:57] I'll have yours then :-) [16:59] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:00] PhotoJim (n=jim@adelaide.ip6.photojim.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:01] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-29.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:02] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:02] gasp, and I lost all my vim instances I had opened =/ [17:04] "how fast ar emultiple threads?" "faster than a single thread" [17:04] they're multiple fast! [17:04] Srbo (n=Srbo@109.93.176.28) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:04] it is normally to have high latency over dialup ? [17:04] normal [17:05] certainly [17:05] seriously? [17:06] I heard dialup forced you to dial, is it true? :o [17:06] I was trying to play quake 3 with a softmodem and the latency sucks [17:06] since dialup is restricted to less than 56K in the US by fcc mandate, yes [17:07] softmodems suck. period. [17:07] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [17:07] the ping [17:07] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [17:07] I dont think that ping and speed are related [17:07] dissociative: of course they are [17:07] yes they are - just not always the same relationship [17:08] PhotoJim (n=jim@adelaide.ip6.photojim.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:08] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-187-067.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:09] muito obrigado [17:10] SOUL_OF_R00T, viva portugal [17:10] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:13] Kiboney (n=kiboney_@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:14] Mkman (n=tiago@bl9-151-12.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "leaving" [17:15] aryr100 (n=aryr100@cpe-67-248-212-47.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:15] would I get a higher ping from a server while being on dialup than while being on dsl? [17:16] damn I cant wait to get dsl again [17:17] freud_1956 (n=fred@187.40.246.204) joined ##slackware. [17:17] lol [17:17] linXea (n=slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [17:18] I think already have dialup over cellphone network and its as bad as wired [17:19] isnt the cellphone network transmission ddirectly digital? [17:21] ls [17:21] Action: thrice` hides [17:21] Action: Camarade_Tux points at thrice` [17:21] dissociative: nothing is "directly digital", no [17:22] i would think internet over cellphone would not be too great as far as speed (compared to regular broadband) usable and even better than a 56k but nothing to write home about, i have uploaded low res photos with my camera phone and it was slow slow slow [17:22] data transfer over the GSM network uses GPRS or faster technologies - dialup would be GPRS [17:22] GPRS can utilize at most 4 concurrent bands, I think - wikipedia will have details [17:22] jjholt2 (n=jjholt@cpe-98-30-55-57.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:23] its dialup because the modem dialups to some number [17:23] but the speed generally is greater than pots dialup [17:23] dissociative: not really, no [17:23] Info: Processes 208 Uptime 1 day Memory 5623.6/7980.0MB Client X-Chat 2.8.6 inxi 1.2.8 [17:23] but my cellphone provider capped my speed to 0.1 MB/s [17:23] this is what's called memory leak ? ;) ... [17:24] vhargon (n=geno@125-237-32-105.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [17:24] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:24] oops its teh isp [17:24] linXea: are you DCC'ing BD's ? [17:24] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [17:24] what ? ... no.. bad kernel.. [17:25] raela (n=raela@cpe-67-241-17-135.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:25] hey what is the equivalent of windows msg program for slackware ? [17:25] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:26] like msn? [17:26] paul424: define 'windows msg program' [17:26] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [17:27] the standard msg program from console OR the orginal net from windows ... cause here it doesn't have the send command [17:27] afu (n=afu@buzzcut.cba.ua.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:29] slack has net. [17:29] aryr100 (n=aryr100@cpe-67-248-212-47.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:29] yeah mine too. [17:30] btw that person is behind external firewall so it won't work/ [17:30] sendmail? alpine? pidgin [17:30] what? [17:30] comparing apples to oranges [17:31] ah i know [17:31] you mean rwall [17:31] Linux is not a windows substitute, but it is a great alternative [17:31] paul424, rwall [17:31] Dominian: ping when you get in [17:31] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [17:32] smbclient with the -M parameter will send winpopup messags [17:32] the only thing that windows is useful is for the games [17:32] Action: Delahunt loves Linux: converted his massive FLAC (lossless) audio archive into MP3 for his netbook that is coming in the mail using a script instead of by hand, now converting all his images to a size that will fit on the screen of the netbook, all into a separate directory to copy to the netbook when it arrives [17:33] dont forget those lovely botnets, viruses, and various other nasties [17:33] dissociative, don't forget adobe creative suite [17:33] oh wait, you can use mac for that 8-) [17:33] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [17:34] dissociative, yeah, but most games seem to work alright in wine these days, altho with a slight performance loss [17:34] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [17:34] raela (n=raela@cpe-67-241-17-135.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:34] do they are in plans for porting all that to linux? [17:34] or *nix [17:34] unless they see money in it, i doubt it [17:34] dissociative: right. so the vast majority of businesses running windows don't use their computers [17:34] paul424, or smbsend [17:35] since people use windows and it is still the majority share, it continues to receive the attention [17:35] age of empires III does work with wine? [17:35] raela (n=raela@cpe-67-241-17-135.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:35] heh [17:36] raela (n=raela@cpe-67-241-17-135.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:36] havnt played it. has gold rating on winehq tho [17:36] I have my flac in a samba server [17:36] I got the demo and its good [17:36] there are other demos [17:39] nv4Phil (n=phil@c-76-22-255-38.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:40] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [17:40] packeteer (n=zed@203.36.227.227) joined ##slackware. [17:40] I was used to play a lot battle for wesnoth on linux [17:40] but I feel like I lost practice [17:42] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:43] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-126-98.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:44] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-71-62-151-44.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] Rip_Van_Winkle (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [17:46] blasted! my cd burner isn't working in k3b... it's always worked before... stupid thing. [17:47] nv4Phil, trying to burn a cd or dvd? [17:47] I think it must have been one of the things that failed after I upgraded to 13.0 [17:47] yes [17:47] attempting to burn some CD's [17:48] nv4Phil: what groups are you part of? [17:48] how do I tell that without reading /etc/group, isn't there a way I can pull a list? [17:49] groups [17:49] Rip_Van_Winkle (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [17:49] users wheel floppy audio video cdrom ... but that's odd because I just added the burning group [17:49] yeah type "group" or "groups" as that user iirc [17:49] you may need to log the user out to make the changes take effect [17:49] i.e. log out, log in [17:50] yeah that did it, so does that mean I need to restart x [17:50] kill X [17:50] ok brb then [17:51] nv4Phil (n=phil@c-76-22-255-38.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:51] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:51] linXea (n=slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: "Leaving" [17:52] nv4Phil (n=phil@c-76-22-255-38.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:52] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-19-236.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:54] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [17:55] ljubak (n=ljubak@cable-94-189-151-167.dynamic.sbb.rs) left ##slackware. [17:56] it detects it now, but when I insert the CD, it still thinks it's empty... that's absurd! [17:57] what thinks it's empty? [17:57] k3b? [17:57] k3b [17:57] What is on the CD? [17:57] is it a burned CD? [17:57] I've got -current running (and I had 13.0 running before) and didn't have that issue when I went to burn a dvd [17:57] use other media [17:57] alkos333 (n=alkos333@68-30-187-7.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [17:58] did you burn the image as file data or image data? [17:58] k3b works perfectly for me on -current [17:58] neither one yet, because it wont detect the cd [17:58] RW? [17:58] wait what? you said it detects empty... [17:58] is it empty or not? [17:58] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-126-98.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [17:58] k3b can return blank media or unknown media [17:59] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-126-98.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:59] I meant that it thought the CD tray was empty, ie had no CD in the tray [17:59] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [17:59] says please insert an empty CD-R(W) medium....and the darn thing has one in it [18:00] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:00] nv4Phil: what type of burner? [18:00] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-217-226.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:01] are you a member of the plugdev group? [18:01] and cdrom [18:01] "cdrom" only [18:01] antiwire, sup buddy! [18:01] add your user to the plugdev group. [18:01] ^^ exactly why linux still fails on the desktop [18:01] sup thrice [18:02] hey is there a log for this channel somewhere online? [18:02] !topic' [18:02] Action: Delahunt doesn't see Linux failing here [18:02] !topic [18:02] ok ...adding brb [18:02] thrice`: works for me :) [18:02] nv4Phil (n=phil@c-76-22-255-38.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:02] thrice`: if people actually read what adduser tells them to do this wouldn't keep coming up. [18:02] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:02] users lp floppy audio video cdrom plugdev power netdev <-- default groups [18:02] it clearly tells the user to hit the up arrow to populate groups. [18:02] they never do it. [18:02] vhargon (n=geno@125-237-32-105.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:02] fools. [18:02] antiwire, mm, not sure :> compare the process to windows, it's kinda funny [18:02] Action: Delahunt has seen much worse out of windows upgrades (win98 thought it could upgrade win95, winME utterly failed to upgrade win98, etc) [18:02] no one reads the god damn writing on the console. [18:03] but windows doesn't have proper groups, so what's the comparison? [18:03] the comparison is that windows *works* without any retarded hacks [18:03] nv4Phil (n=phil@c-76-22-255-38.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] this isn't a hack though. this is how linux/unix works. [18:03] antiwire, do you know what the url is for the log? for ##slackware? cause i need that iptables command you sent me a few days ago [18:03] while I dispise windows, stuff like this is why someone like my mother could never use linux [18:03] like virus scanners and everbody having a different driver for the same hardware and such? [18:04] thrice`: I totally understand where you're coming from bit this is Linux and Linux isn't Windows. The comparison is moot. [18:04] bit/but [18:04] actually, there's a difference between _using_ linux and _administering_ linux [18:04] is there on windows? [18:04] my 7y/o _uses_ my linux setup just as easily as he uses the wife's vista laptop (which soon will be windows 7 due to laptop needing replacing due to failed m/b) [18:04] still not working. blasted thing [18:05] there are groups in windows, like Domain Admins (samba uses it) [18:05] nv4phil: when you add/change groups, you have to log out/in for it to be effective [18:05] alisonken1home: did that :-) [18:05] nv4Phil: give us the real output of groups. not some truncated version. [18:06] powtrix: you skipped the word "proper" in that sentence :) [18:06] nv4phil@box2 ~$ groups [18:06] users wheel floppy audio video cdrom burning plugdev [18:06] wheel? not really a good idea there [18:07] why? [18:07] I am a member of wheel and I know why I am a member of wheel. I need to be a member of wheel. [18:07] it's like giving your user root access - which is what should be avoided for normal daily tasks [18:07] nv4Phil try: id nv4phil [18:07] My specific user is me. My user account is not root but is allowed to use sudo. [18:07] by default, people in the wheel group have no special priviledges [18:07] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [18:08] privileges* [18:08] nv4phil@box2 ~$ id nv4phil [18:08] uid=1000(nv4phil) gid=100(users) groups=100(users),10(wheel),17(audio),19(cdrom),52(burning),83(plugdev) [18:08] when you know what you're doing - true [18:08] thrice`, no it's why you'd keep your mother on the same slackware release and ssh in to admin her stuff [18:08] The Moon is Waxing Crescent (6% of Full) <--just doesn't make sense today. [18:08] nv4Phil, it could VERY well be that k3b is in a super-crappy state [18:08] Delahunt, that's the most retarded answer I've heard yet :) [18:08] did you run k3b admin setup ? [18:08] does your cd/dvd drive can read other cd/dvd? [18:09] k3b works fine. It is not k3b. the problem is pebkac [18:09] I did run k3bsetup [18:09] antiwire: do tell? [18:09] thrice`, people have just as many problems with windows, they just don't know some nerdy/geeky uncle or neighbor that can "fix" it for them [18:09] k3bsetup indicates there are no devices detected. [18:09] er they don't know one for Linux but they do for Windows [18:10] strange... [18:10] Delahunt, waay off. If I told my mother to burn a CD with k3b super-alpha 2, and to figure out her own permissions, there's no way it would work [18:10] but if you told her what to do (as they often do with windows: "do this" not "this is how it works") it would work [18:10] how hard is learning to use gdb? [18:10] no, on windows, she puts a disk in, and it asks if she wants to burn a CD [18:10] and no offense but anyone running super-alpha-anything is on their own [18:10] Delahunt, um, k3b? ;) [18:11] what do you think 13 ships with? [18:11] much less there are linux distributions that if you put in a cd it asks if you want to burn it [18:11] so i don't see the problem being linux in general [18:11] We must be having Sun spots or some other astronomical phenomenon since it sure as hell ain't the Moon causing this. [18:11] oh well... I'm gonna go get dinner. be back later on. thanks guys [18:11] antiwire, causing what? [18:12] Read the buffer. Causing THAT [18:12] some people are just super defensive of the fact that linux is still complete shit in certain areas [18:12] Linux isn't for everyone [18:12] of course - we have.. 1% of hte market? :) [18:12] Don't kid yourself that it is. [18:12] i can install mandriva 2010 right now and everything work fine. you tell ME what the problem is then 8-) [18:13] other than it's works fine and I haven't run across the complete crap you seem to run across [18:13] i wouldn't put slackware on someone's computer who is impatient, first off, and second, who is unwilling to learn [18:13] i love slackware and i'd rather customize it to someone's needs than install mandriva (i.e. go the easy route) but it's worth noting that i've introduced people to mandriva and they've been satisfied with it [18:13] well, I've got a 70+ grandpa who I replaced his windows with slackware and he doesn't have any problems with it [18:13] I wouldn't put any Linux distribution on the anyone's system if they did not ask for it specifically. [18:14] well yeah duh [18:14] i don't sneak around and install Linux on people's stuff without their permission 8-) [18:14] although it would be fun in an evil way 8-) [18:14] Does anyone have an emoticon auto ignore script? [18:14] no. go write one. [18:15] antiwire: that's what Plan9 is for :p [18:15] publically ignoring people is so 90's [18:15] Delahunt: that's bullshit. my wife runs Slackware 13 with XFce and she knows nothing about Linux. she loves it. I administer the unit. she has no trouble using it. [18:15] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:15] hitest, never said people can't use Slackware, just pointing out that not everyone will like it [18:16] and since she apparently is patient and willing to learn, you just agreed with my previous statements 8-) [18:16] pffft [18:16] how much does she need to learn to click on a fire fox icon? [18:16] of all non-free OSes, i personally think Mac OS X is the closest to perfect, yet not everyone likes that either [18:16] or run a game [18:16] hehe [18:17] true her needs may also be simple [18:17] what about installing the game? [18:17] did she download the source and write a bash script to assemble a package? [18:17] not eveyone needs to be or should have to be a computer nerd if computers are to be useful. to me useful is if it makes your life easier and/or more productive [18:17] Can I have some of the coolaid you guys are drinking? [18:17] no [18:17] koolaid, spell it right 8-P [18:17] people, what is missing here? im trying to compile xboxdrv and it returns: /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-slackware-linux/4.4.2/../../../../x86_64-slackware-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lboost_thread-mt [18:17] thrice`: that's what she cgot hitest for. ;) [18:17] the koolaid is for me alone [18:18] powtrix, install boost ? :) [18:18] Delahunt, it's more like people are not willing to change really. "It works" why would I want to try something else? That's what most people think I'd say in my opinion. [18:18] BP{k}: heh-heh:) [18:18] boost? [18:18] there are probably people out there who like the linux that comes on asus eee pc's too [18:18] BP{k}, "I scratch your back, you scratch __ ?" :) [18:19] confrey (n=dario@151.59.27.200) joined ##slackware. [18:19] hfjardim, agreed. most the people i helped to migrate to linux were just sick of vista [18:19] Kool-Aid is a brand name. I meant what I typed. [18:20] Kool-Aid(R) v. generic koolaide with that little extra boost - kinda like irish coffee [18:20] No really...I meant coolaid [18:20] powtrix, yes, do you have the boost package from l/ ? [18:20] you guys have it. give me some too. [18:20] okay [18:20] sometimes i wonder if linux should've been more open and public about trying to get people to switch during the vista times (i.e. after vista release, before win 7 release) [18:20] commercials and such [18:20] Delahunt, I way I managed to convert few souls was by using VirtualBox... "Hey Windows is still here look...", but as they realise they just want to browse the web. They just hit firefox instead. [18:20] all it takes it marketing money [18:21] thrice`, boost-1.41.0-x86_64-1 is installed [18:21] Who says the Linux community needs to care if people knowing use Linux? Do you realize how many people use Linux on a daily basis and don't even know it? [18:21] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:21] knowingly* [18:22] pretty much a lot of the appliances (like routers and such), not to mention a lot more POS terminals and things [18:22] Exactly. [18:22] yea, my cousin had a nokia n810 (internet tablet) and he didnt know it ran linux [18:22] antiwire, That's very true. [18:22] antiwire, because of human nature. out of sight is out of mind. y2k as an example (excluding the lies): no one thought about the problem until it was getting to be almost too late [18:22] Tangent man is going off on a tangent [18:22] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:23] people use servers that run on BSD and Solaris etc other things daily and don't realize it too [18:23] They just want things to work really. Take technology for granted pretty much. [18:23] example: people in my career field use CAMS and don't realize it runs on Unisys [18:23] SO why get all worked up on it? [18:23] I think people administering servers know pretty well which OS it runs [18:23] the only problem with y2k was old cobol programmers hardcoding dates as 2 digit strings and not making use of proper updating principles [18:23] all they see is shiny graphical interface [18:23] You don't need to be an expert mechanic or even like it to be able to drive. [18:24] the READ says libboost1.37-dev and libboost-thread1.37-dev. hmm looking it [18:24] hfjardim, no, but you pay a shitload of money if you can't change your own oil [18:24] README i mean [18:24] you might pay a lot of money if you get scammed [18:24] thrice`, That's probably true. =) [18:25] but this is a good example, thanks thrice` . the difference being that those who are interested in saving money or like to work on cars will learn to change their own oil, the rest of mankind may not learn. [18:25] Delahunt, specially if money is no object. [18:25] Delahunt, mm, kind of, or drive the car (windows) that doesn't need oil changes every 3 months, but instead maybe once a year [18:26] but marketing should still have its place for Linux. just because people don't change their own oil don't mean Castrol and others don't advertise [18:26] thrice`, but goes to a scrap yard every couple of years. [18:26] that's for brand exposure so that they get more money in sales [18:26] thrice`: I'd like some of that koolaide you've been drinking if that's what you think :) [18:26] ever tried to upgrade ubuntu? [18:26] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:26] MS cars definitely need their oil changed more often [18:26] why do only some of the people in here get the coolaid? [18:26] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:26] linux needs more advertising in my opinion [18:27] that's the kicker [18:27] advertising [18:27] oh yeah that fixes everything. Advertising. [18:27] good idea [18:27] right now i don't recall ANY advertisement except that weird IBM one a few years back [18:27] alisonken1home, ok, the fact that I've had a few to drink is irrelevant! :> [18:27] Delahunt, that's what the open-source project is trying to do really [18:27] argh [18:27] no, it doesn't fix anything, it's to make people aware [18:27] had my koolaid last night :) [18:27] thrice` :) [18:27] if it isn't on TV people probably won't know about it, sad to say [18:27] thrice`: :) [18:27] sorry should've specified that i was talking about TV [18:28] soco and pepsi [18:28] i was just commenting that some things on linux are still un-necessarily complicated. groups and perms, while awesome for the advanced user, can leave those new to linux clueless - especially when they have to do something simple like burn a cd [18:28] so i read about my eee pc 900a last night (the one coming in the mail) [18:28] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.71.44) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [18:28] hoepfully my 4gb ssd isn't soldered in so that i can upgrade it [18:28] s/hoepfully/hopefully [18:28] / [18:29] you're getting an eeepc? we had no idea ;) [18:29] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.71.44) joined ##slackware. [18:29] i'm tempted to do the slackware recompile as -mtune=atom but alas the flags aren't as prevalent yet [18:29] i mean i could manually specify what the processor does and does not have but that would be insanity [18:30] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [18:30] s/i could/i am guessing i could/ [18:30] a lot of work for probably not that much gain, anyway [18:30] well my main concern (if 4gb ssd is soldered in) is lack of space for / [18:30] compile with -Os maybe? [18:30] yeah i am doing -Os -mtune=i686 -march=i686 right now [18:30] won't matter much, I dont' think; and 4gb is plenty of space :) [18:30] without kde it's probably plenty [18:31] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:31] i will put my audio and images on there but that's about it, none of my email [18:31] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.71.44) left irc: Client Quit [18:31] not without going with LUKS (which would be insanity on an atom) [18:31] without e/, f/, k/, kde/, kdei/, t/, tcl/, half of n/ and d/ , you mean? :) [18:32] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.71.44) joined ##slackware. [18:32] I suppose you'll be able to plug in more storage (portable like a USB stick, or not so portable like an external hdd) [18:32] thrice`, uh, 4gb. 4gb. [18:32] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.75.186) joined ##slackware. [18:32] repeat after me ... 8-) [18:32] yea 4tb is plenty of space :) [18:32] well it has an SD card reader so that's where /home will reside, on a 16gb or so sd card [18:33] the onboard 4gb will be only / [18:33] yeah, that'd work for me [18:33] make a nfs root [18:33] from the internet [18:33] i will probably put a piece of tape over the sd card reader port so i don't accidentally eject it [18:33] heck no [18:33] I trim a bit more than those sets, but my install comes in around 2.1gb [18:33] maybe sshfs but still no thanks [18:33] "640K ought to be enough for anybody." [18:33] hfjardim, HAHA [18:34] yeah - I remember that one [18:34] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "Bored by the chore of saving face." [18:34] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cpe-98-30-55-57.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:34] but yeah so if it's NOT soldered in, an ssd drive upgrade would be as simple as paying for the card pretty much [18:34] heck, 64K seemed like a limitless void I'd never be able to fill up completely, when I upgraded from 16K [18:34] i'm surprised they don't have ssd cards in stores for this [18:35] CygnusX1 (n=CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:35] keres_ (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:35] keres_ (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:36] i am thinking that i would only want to upgrade the onboard to 8gb or so (for a full slackware install) since the concept (sorry to rehash) is use the SD card for writing and write-intensive stuff and keep as much of the writing away from the onboard card [18:36] ... [18:36] if the price difference between 8G and 16G isn't that much, the extra space would be worth it (especially if the upgrade involves soldering) [18:37] billgatisms [18:37] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-126-98.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [18:38] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:38] if upgrade involves soldering, i'm not going to upgrade [18:38] the 640k thing is something that bill never said [18:39] freud_1956 (n=fred@187.40.246.204) left irc: "Leaving" [18:40] ananke: did anyone ever really say that? I've heard it both ways (bill said, and bill didn't say), but never heard that anyone else is responsible [18:40] dorin_ro (n=dorin@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:41] no, it was the bill-alter [18:41] Urchlay: it's one of those urban myths. i don't think anybody important ever said that [18:41] [18:41] I hope so [18:42] kb3rmq (n=casey@pool-71-253-17-222.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:43] ananke, And obviously Bill Gate being a VIP he would have never made such a silly comment, right? He's too clever for that. =) [18:43] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:43] Stanto (i=Stanto@cpc1-newc7-0-0-cust318.gate.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:43] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-126-98.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:43] *Gates [18:44] there's that one guy (maybe thomas watson from IBM?) who was supposed to have said that the total estimated world market for computers was less than 10 units [18:44] hfjardim: talk about a huge jump in critical thinking. sorry, not buying it [18:44] but back then, only large governments could afford to buy & operate them, so it sorta makes sense [18:44] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [18:46] ananke, Don't really care to be honest mate. I just think the whole quote was funny. Who said for sure? I don't know and as I said I don't really care. =) [18:46] And universities, I mean, what I'd call the first computer was university built. [18:46] Nick change: AlexElliott__ -> AlexElliott [18:46] first computer was eniac for the military to compute balistic tables for cannons [18:47] I would say it's the Manchester Baby [18:47] The SSEM [18:47] AlexElliott, That's would be too far off. [18:47] you're probably right. [18:47] paissad (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:47] sorry - first "digital" computer [18:48] analog computers were earlier [18:48] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:49] goarilla_ (n=goarilla@205.172-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [18:49] I consider the stored program concept more important, but it's a debateable issue :p [18:49] stored program is more versatile, but it depends on the use [18:50] PhotoJim (n=jim@adelaide.ip6.photojim.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:51] what would you call Turing's "bombes"? real (mechanical) computers or no? (I dunno whether they had the concept of stored programs) [18:53] his concept? [18:53] I haven't read about the bombes by him, only his theoretical work that ada lovelace tried to work with [18:54] a jaquarde loom is a mechanical computer in a limited sense as well [18:55] paissad (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:56] the bombes were the things at bletchley park in world war 2 that were used to crack the enigma... I think he got the idea for stored programs after working with them for a while & thinking "these are so limited..." [18:56] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [18:56] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) left ##slackware. [18:57] kb3rmq (n=casey@pool-71-253-17-222.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:58] I read about the bombes. [18:58] Turing's a pimp [18:58] wtf? [18:58] goarilla (n=goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:59] ? [19:00] =) [19:00] it's just occurred to me, inside my brain, the memories from reading non-fiction books about Turing have gotten mixed in with the bits about Turing from "Cryptonomicon", so the whole thing is suspect... [19:00] I read about Turing from "The Code Book" [19:00] about cryptography [19:00] and then there are other sad bits about his life... [19:01] Yes, there was a public apology quite recently [19:01] nod [19:02] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:04] the Apple logo (apple with a bite taken out of it) is sort of an homage to Turing [19:04] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [19:06] Urchlay, I did hear that actually when I went to Cambridge during one of those punt ride. =) [19:07] hmm, the punt rides are something I only know of from fiction... [19:07] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-126-98.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [19:08] If you decide to try one, find someone who's done it before [19:08] It can be a bit lurchy if you've not done it before ;) [19:08] That's a good advice just there. It was funny seen people looping around though. [19:09] *seeing [19:09] can believe it. Probably not as bad as the time I went to shoot the rapids with some friends... we each assumed someone in the boat knew WTF they were doing, but, eh, we were all wrong [19:09] haha [19:09] Urchlay: ouch lol [19:09] nobody got hurt, everybody got wet [19:09] the boat took what was probably only cosmetic damage... [19:10] Urchlay, man it's funny you talking about rabbits because i just went shotgun shooting for the first time to day, and there was these clays that were supposed to be a rabbit. Anyhow I just loved shooting them. [19:11] Where did I get rabbits from? =) [19:11] eh, rapids... rapidly moving water [19:12] I realised that actually. =) [19:12] only thing I really know about rabbits is that they're capable of emitting a truly blood-curdling scream, when they get scared [19:13] like the little girl in the remake of "invasion of the body snatchers", that kind of piercing screech [19:13] Only I know about rabbits is they're bloody hard to catch if you chase them while drunk. [19:13] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:13] It's a shame those rabbits live near university accommodation :p [19:14] sounds fun [19:14] while you're drunk, yeah... maybe you should even the odds, get them drunk too? [19:14] That could just make things interesting [19:14] bet they'd drink eggnog, or a while russian [19:14] But well, too late, not living there any more [19:14] they would probably hit a wall and knock themselves out [19:14] s/while/white/ [19:15] hi all, how can i download all SlackBuilds files from slackbuilds.org , i did this, but it does not work --> wget -r -np -A *SlackBuild http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/13.0 [19:16] eh, does it give you an error message or something? [19:16] you probably want to use rsync anyway [19:16] paissad: sbopkg creates a repository of all the slackbuilds [19:16] paissad: use sbopkg from sbopkg.org - big help for slackbuild stuff [19:16] rsync > wget ;) [19:16] they probably plugged that hole because they dont want people hammering their servers like that [19:17] Pig_Pen: what hole? [19:17] hm, would a recursive wget be more hammer-ish than rsync? 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[19:18] rsync has the option of doing a limit bw usage, wget doesn't I believe [19:18] i tihnk so -- you're downloading all the html files and sending tons of HTTP related info [19:19] paissad: for rsync: slackbuilds.org::slackbuilds/13.0/ [19:19] alkos333 (n=alkos333@68-30-187-7.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:19] alisonken1home: sure it does... iirc it's --limit-rate or maybe --rate-limit [19:20] wget also has the option to sleep between individual files (even sleep for a random time) [19:20] rsync -av --delete --log-file=${logfile} --bwlimit=${LIMIT} rsync://${site}/${basedir}/${version} ${saveto} [19:21] that's my rsync line for syncing my repo with slackware.mirrors.tds.net [19:21] Holy crap, you can send a log-file switch [19:21] ? [19:21] I've been using | tee this whole time [19:21] yes [19:22] "man rsync" is your friend :) [19:22] for a long time, I kept doing cat file | less [19:22] instead of simply less file [19:22] too in love with pipes... [19:23] I knew a reasonably knowledgeable guy who used to constantly do "ls | grep txt" when he really meant "ls *.txt" [19:24] been there done that [19:24] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:24] It's all part of the learning experience I guess. [19:24] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cpe-98-30-55-57.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:25] this same guy understood C well enough to write code, but didn't understand the real world well enough to see why he ever needed error checking (result: lots of segfaults & huge files called "core") [19:26] who know people that still have never owned a computer? [19:26] right here in the usa [19:27] me, I owned a micro [19:27] I know a guy who just bought his first-ever computer a couple weeks ago [19:27] you doing a research or something? [19:28] I do actually some people that don't know or ever seen a computer at all in Brazil. [19:28] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cpe-98-30-55-57.woh.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [19:29] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cpe-98-30-55-57.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:29] i know one guy that is a whacky hillbilly christian type that think they are something evil, he blathers that jesus freak preacher stuff on a CB radio until all the truckers start cussing him and telling him to shutup, its comical to listen to [19:29] sirslacker (i=1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: "leaving" [19:30] =), I did hear a similar story where these woman got kicked out of a bar because she was wearing a BSD shirt. [19:30] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cpe-98-30-55-57.woh.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [19:30] *this [19:30] Hey gurus, is there a way to get HAL to reload it's policy files without killing and restarting X ? [19:30] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:31] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [19:32] <|Slacker|> well...in the end it wasn't opera's fault causing the processing problem, it's something with kde I guess [19:33] Pig_Pen: I betcha his CB radio contains a computer (microcontroller anyway), wonder if you could make his head explode by explaining that to him? [19:34] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cpe-98-30-55-57.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:35] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [19:35] jjholt2 (n=jjholt@cpe-98-30-55-57.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:35] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [19:36] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cpe-98-30-55-57.woh.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [19:36] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:38] yeah, he is just a paranoid jesus freak [19:39] same with televisions and stereos, cars/pickups, most anything electronic [19:40] efynn (n=enriquef@189-015-110-151.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:42] he ought to move to pennsylvania, join the Amish.. except they'd probably say "Thou art a complete fruitcake, get thee off our property!" [19:43] I kind of like fruitcake. [19:45] yeah, if he was born in a big city he would be shouting from a streetcorner instead of a two-way radio [19:45] not the kind that talks, tho [19:46] linXea (n=slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [19:47] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [19:47] jjholt2 (n=jjholt@cpe-98-30-55-57.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [19:47] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:49] Have any of you guys ever managed to convince your boss (if you have one obviously) to use Slackware as a distro of choice for a new project? [19:50] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [19:50] The company I work for uses Slackware for their email server. [19:51] It was in place before I started. [19:51] Good stuff. [19:52] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:52] most bosses wouldn't go for it unless they know they'll have a resource supporting it. [19:52] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [19:53] re-l (n=re-l@c-98-197-118-188.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) left irc: [19:53] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) joined ##slackware. [19:53] That's true. But anyone working with as a Linux sysadmin should be able to get along with Slackware, don't you think? [19:54] that's true. but the problem is when a non-technical boss is hiring, he'll opt for the MS certified guy, 'coz he can tell his boss that he didnt' just hire anyone without a justifiable reason. [19:54] politics. [19:54] confrey (n=dario@151.59.27.200) left irc: "Sto andando via" [19:55] it's not about MS. [19:55] it's the certificate. [19:55] Sad but true. [19:55] There are few Linux certs out there. [19:55] another good metallica song. [19:55] LPIC should do the trick. [19:55] =) [19:55] LPIC is a linux certification? [19:56] lpi.org I think. [19:56] I'd say so. [19:56] we had one linux guy, he loved fedora like crazy. maintained the samba stuff. then slowly the group downsized. [19:56] he left. [19:56] we haven't missed any linux stuff at work. [19:57] our customers are windows based. So all the work is windows based. [19:57] the workstations were all Windows I suppose? [19:57] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [19:57] komentarze_listy (n=komentar@unaffiliated/komentarze) joined ##slackware. [19:57] originally, everyone had a windows workstation and a spac solaris machine. [19:57] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:57] hfjardim: unless you run a slackware shop, introducing slackware into any major environment is tricky [19:58] That's the think, coming from the supporting perspective you mention, most bosses would buy in the skill in case they get a big project where require a Linux engineer. [19:58] in our organization, there are some groups that use Ubuntu. [19:58] Hi, is there any alternative to xdm/wdm/gdm/kdm ??? [19:58] slim [19:58] komentarze_listy: that's not enough alternatives for you? :) [19:58] komentarze_listy, slim is about all that is omitted [19:58] =) [19:59] ananke: hahaha yes man, i love wdm but i'm having problems ... xdm is to no so cool... and the other are to bloated for me [19:59] thrice`: slim ? [19:59] thing* [19:59] gdm is pretty cool. highly configurable (others might be). Can be themed to match your gtk themes. [19:59] the problem is... that i'm trying a 32mb ram machine [20:00] i need a very light stuff, just as xdm but no so bloated as gdm [20:00] I don't think that's enough for X, is it? [20:00] slackwarebob, that's another one, when they consider using linux they want to go for Ubuntu or something similar because of the package management utils [20:00] thrice`: yes it is, is working fine with fluxbox [20:00] hfjardim: ohh, and regariding any linux admin picking up slackware and going with it: not so fast. it's easier to manage centos/sles after you used slackware than vice versa [20:01] john_dee (n=id@95-29-8-36.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Client Quit [20:01] hfjardim: our work guys go for that. Then they claim windows sucks. But they're using another plug 'n play thing that replaces windows. [20:01] slim = simple login manager ? i gonna try [20:02] hrr, are there any X login managers that mimic the text console, as far as how you log in? Last time I used someone's GUI login, I couldn't type usernamepassword, the first was taken as an "OK" for the whole dialog [20:02] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:02] did you try ? [20:02] Urchlay: slim can be setup to do that. [20:02] had to be usernamepassword, which means I had to fight many many years of reflexes [20:02] ananke, you're probably right there. I guess I was lucky that I was introduced to Slackware first than anything else. I did used Red Hat before to be honest before it went "enterprise". [20:03] Urchlay: there's some slim themes for you. [20:03] Pig_Pen: sure. And it worked fine... but it drove me nuts, not being able to rely on muscle memory for this one specific machine I had to log into [20:03] komentarze_listy: what about runlevel 3 + startx? [20:03] works for me [20:04] thumbs: thats awesome, i use in my box... but i need a gui, cause the person that is going to use is a 60 year old lady :) [20:04] runlevel 3 + a .bash_profile that does something like... [ "$DISPLAY" = "" -a "$(tty)" = "/dev/tty1" ] && exec startx [20:04] komentarze_listy: ok. Get more RAM? [20:05] yeah, i hate that too, i wish a a few window mangers like dwm & wmii would do like openbox and fluxbox and use ctrl alt / to switch virtual desktops, that alt F1 or F2 annoys me [20:05] that'll start X automagically if you login on the first console, or leave you at the prompt for the other consoles [20:05] thumbs: i will... :) but i do not have money yet, i'm not working hahahaha [20:05] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [20:06] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:06] komentarze_listy: 32MB is not a whole lot. Even blackbox will struggle on that. [20:06] Urchlay: i need some kind of security, we have a lot of people here [20:06] thumbs: is working fine with fluxbox, xfe, lxmusic and netsurf [20:07] fluxbox++ [20:07] komentarze_listy: eh, none of the GUI login managers are going to be much more or less secure than the text-based login [20:07] even tho this install using KDE, [20:07] hey, call me an old fart, but I prefer blackboc [20:07] blackbox too. [20:07] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-211-190.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:08] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [20:08] for which reasons? [20:08] ok, old fart! [20:08] blackbox is a PoS ;) [20:08] Urchlay: i know man... I am just trying to say that old ladies are have fear of command line stuff [20:08] thrice`: you old fart ;) [20:08] thrice`: simplicity, familiarity [20:08] uhm thumbs* .. damn tabkey ;) [20:08] not me, I know openbox is better ;) [20:08] I'm going to try slim [20:08] wait, i'll be back, let me see [20:08] if an old lady gets over not using windows xp, you can definitely encourage her to use console login. [20:09] komentarze_listy: well, either way, the old lady has to type her username/password. I don't think she'll much care what the screen looks like when she's typing it [20:09] re-l (n=re-l@c-98-197-118-188.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:09] just have it spanw full-scren FF, and you'll be fine :> [20:09] (maybe I'm wrong, I haven't had to deal with old ladies all that much, at least not in computer-related contexts) [20:09] hey dudes, wait... [20:10] oh dear... [20:10] dudes! [20:11] komentarze_listy (n=komentar@unaffiliated/komentarze) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:11] you guys overwhelmed him. [20:11] that did work out well. [20:12] i always keep the inittab in runlevel 3 and log in at the console, a GUI is just a startx away [20:13] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.225.8.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:13] komentarze_listy (n=komentar@unaffiliated/komentarze) joined ##slackware. [20:13] I'M BACK [20:13] who said slim ? [20:13] Pig_Pen, same here [20:13] Awesome! [20:14] nv4Phil (n=phil@c-76-22-255-38.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:14] efynn (n=enriquef@189-015-110-151.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [20:15] antiwire: around or what.... [20:15] yes [20:16] hey just wanted to say thank for helping me realized yesterday about the CD. I was able to re-install KDE quickly and resolved the issue. [20:16] cool [20:16] you're welcome [20:16] thrice`: you too. :) you guys helped me install it quickly. :) [20:16] Action: Agiofws once remembers trying to compile KDE :P [20:17] http://imagebin.org/80416 [20:17] alisonken1home: pong [20:17] linXea (n=slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:18] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: "Leaving" [20:18] Agiofws, not even look 3D [20:19] I mean looks real. [20:20] slim is working fine:) thanks to all [20:20] :) [20:20] maduser (n=kevin@pool-74-101-156-251.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:20] http://imagebin.org/80417 [20:21] maduser (n=kevin@pool-74-101-156-251.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:22] whats that Agiofws ? graphics for a video game? [20:23] nah its persnonal :) [20:23] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:23] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. 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[20:30] I do have a blog, I just don't ue it unless I really have something to say, I usually kill time popping around the net trying to help people with Linux based problems [20:31] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) got netsplit. [20:31] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) got netsplit. [20:31] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) got netsplit. [20:31] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) got netsplit. [20:31] CygnusX1 (n=CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) got netsplit. [20:31] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-19-236.dsl.telesp.net.br) got netsplit. [20:31] SiegeX (i=219@unaffiliated/siegex) got netsplit. [20:31] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) got netsplit. [20:31] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC306FA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) got netsplit. [20:31] welanx_ (n=welanx@host-177-135-2-96.midco.net) got netsplit. [20:31] Ephedrax (i=zeus@vps.process-evolution.fr) got netsplit. [20:31] slackwarebob (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-228-177.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) got netsplit. [20:31] j0z (n=j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) got netsplit. [20:31] korg815 (n=korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) got netsplit. [20:31] urbank (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) got netsplit. [20:31] looker (i=looker@tornado.ktu.lt) got netsplit. [20:31] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) got netsplit. [20:31] LITesterB (i=nobody@CPE001cf0f641f7-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:32] if i want to use rsync for rsync://rsync.slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds , how must i proceed if i just want to retreive the *.SlackBuild files ? [20:33] alkos333 (n=alkos333@68-30-187-7.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] paissad: copy/paste the commend from sbopkg :P [20:34] paissad: I just use sbopkg to keep a sync of slackbuilds [20:34] alkos333 (n=alkos333@68-30-187-7.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:34] but normally, is it possible without sbopkg ? [20:35] because, i'm not on my slackware system actually ! [20:35] oh yes.. i just dont bother looking it up [20:35] alkos333 (n=alkos333@68-30-187-7.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: K-lined [20:35] try google rsync slackbuilds.org [20:36] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-177-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:36] or read the rsync manpage [20:36] rsync manpage is so long , .... i hoped to get a quick answer ..... :P [20:37] hoobop (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) got lost in the net-split. [20:37] looker (i=looker@tornado.ktu.lt) got lost in the net-split. [20:37] urbank (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) got lost in the net-split. [20:37] korg815 (n=korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) got lost in the net-split. [20:37] j0z (n=j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) got lost in the net-split. [20:37] slackwarebob (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-228-177.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) got lost in the net-split. [20:37] Ephedrax (i=zeus@vps.process-evolution.fr) got lost in the net-split. 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[20:37] paissad: it is possible to filter results when using rsync, however I do not know the syntax off hand [20:37] yup.. its all just small text files [20:37] exclude the tarballs to begin with [20:38] macavity, i thought the size would be about GB, that's why i did not want to rsync the whole [20:38] apparently thrice` knows how to do that :P [20:38] and why would you only want the slackbuild files, the dependant files are necessary to understand the script functions? [20:38] paissad: slackbuilds.org does not host the source code [20:38] i know [20:38] is it possible to change the vesa screen resolution of the console without rebooting? [20:38] LITesterB (i=nobody@CPE001cf0f641f7-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:39] paissad, if you're interested, this is my "sync_sbo.sh" : http://pastebin.ca/1755453 [20:39] LITesterB (i=nobody@CPE001cf0f641f7-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:39] thrice`, thanks mate [20:40] thrice`: that is short and sweet, nice [20:40] gm152 (n=gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [20:43] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:44] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [20:45] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "Leaving" [20:45] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [20:46] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I'm done for now" [20:48] Pig_Pen: yah. See fbset(8) [20:49] paz (n=419king@pool-71-188-31-6.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:49] paz (n=419king@pool-71-188-31-6.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [20:50] actually I kinda wish there were an easy way to rsync the SBo tree, but *only* the tarballs (e.g. 13.0/audio/lash.tar.gz but not 13.0/audio/lash/*) [20:51] probably rsync's got a way to limit how far it descends directory trees [20:51] ok, thanks Urchlay [20:52] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:53] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) joined ##slackware. [20:53] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [20:53] CygnusX1 (n=CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:53] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-19-236.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:53] SiegeX (i=219@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [20:53] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [20:53] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC306FA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [20:53] welanx_ (n=welanx@host-177-135-2-96.midco.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:55] hiptobecubic: eh, that'd work too... actually I just now (5 mins ago) realized what a waste it is to rsync the whole thing, since there are 2 copies of everything (one inside a tarball) [20:55] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Success [20:57] Urchlay, i'd probably rather just exclude the tarballs and use compression with rsync [20:57] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) left irc: Connection timed out [20:57] PsYkHe- (i=PsYkHe@187.36.136.94) joined ##slackware. [20:57] hell the whole 13.0 repo is only about 25 meg [20:58] heh [20:59] XGizzmo_: yah, I know, and now that I already have it, no point worrying about it [21:00] it's the urge to be efficient, left over from when disks were $expensive$ [21:01] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: "Leaving" [21:01] disks *are* expensive. [21:01] substancev (n=substanc@ool-43530490.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [21:02] dissociative (n=alejandr@186.97.112.192) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:02] yeah, but I'm not saving up my lunch money to buy a box of floppy disks for $20 any more, I can afford to waste a bit [21:03] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:03] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [21:03] alkos333 (n=alkos333@68-30-187-7.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Connection timed out [21:03] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [21:05] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [21:05] Is it possible to get a Slackware 12.2 to mount a nfs share that is on an ext4 partition? [21:06] (Just tried to do that at my sister's place and on the way home, decided that the ext4 fs may have been the reason I couldn't get it to work...) 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[21:08] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.71.44) left irc: Excess Flood [21:08] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:09] dunno, but maybe it'll save you some time knowing the ext4-ness isn't the issue (or I should say, is bloody unlikely to be the issue, unless ext4 and/or nfs are horribly broken in some way, which I doubt) [21:09] Greyhound- (n=Greyhoun@79.114.71.44) joined ##slackware. [21:10] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "Bored by the chore of saving face." [21:10] PsYkHe (i=PsYkHe@187.36.136.94) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:10] Greyhound- (n=Greyhoun@79.114.71.44) left irc: Excess Flood [21:11] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.71.44) joined ##slackware. [21:11] Urchlay: Ok, thanks. [21:12] Urchlay: I was in a bit of a hurry, didn't have much time, will try again tomorrow. [21:12] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.71.44) left irc: Excess Flood [21:12] usr13: 'couldn't' doesn't really tell us much. [21:12] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.71.44) joined ##slackware. [21:12] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.71.44) left irc: Excess Flood [21:12] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-423037.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [21:13] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.71.44) joined ##slackware. [21:13] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.71.44) left irc: Excess Flood [21:13] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.71.44) joined ##slackware. [21:13] ananke: I may have botched the /etc/exports entry. [21:13] I dunno why, after all these years, nfs is still such a pain... the error messages aren't always real helpful, and there are times when it'll just freeze up (even on an idle LAN, maybe even when you're using it with 2 machines + a crossover cable) [21:13] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("!~Back to the Padded Cell ~! @_@"). [21:14] I can't get into those computers now, no network connection from here, will try again tomorrow. [21:14] Agiofws (n=nAgiofws@athedsl-423037.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:15] and if anyone's ever gotten NFS to work reliably and at anything like decent speed over wireless, I wanna know what kinda animal they had to sacrifice... [21:15] Urchlay: as opposed to, samba? [21:15] ugh, no, samba's no better [21:16] maybe it's just that wireless sucks (in my experience it always has, but then I avoid it, so my experience with wireless isn't really all that great) [21:16] sluttyduck (n=slut@NW1-DSL-74-215-136-57.fuse.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:18] put it another way... every time I've had to use wireless for a permanent installation (home/office LAN), I eventually decided it would be less annoying to drill holes, crawl around in the ceiling getting fiberglass in my beard, etc. [21:19] though I've drawn the line at crawling under my current residence (there's a feral cat living under there, eating the rats that migrate over from the neighbor's yard) [21:23] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@62-47-142-83.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:23] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@80-123-55-106.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. 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[21:41] PsYkHe- (i=PsYkHe@187.36.136.94) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:41] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [21:41] sQuEE (n=narya@host131.190-30-14.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [21:43] Well sure enough it happened. I told a company that they need to make sure everyone logs out of their Quickbooks DB or the scheduled backup won't get the DB and what do you know? Someone didn't log out. [21:44] slackwarebob (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-228-177.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:45] PsYkHe (i=PsYkHe@187.36.136.94) left irc: Client Quit [21:46] was there no way for the backup process to forcibly log everyone out? [21:46] QB2008 doesn't have an automatic full backup ability when it is used in multiuser mode. If they want scheduled backups they have two options: Make sure the DB closed by having everyone log out at the end of the day so the scheduled backup can copy the DB or manually switch the db to single user mode and create manual full backups. They opted for automatic scheduled backups so I did it but the don't listen to what I said. [21:46] (dunno much about quickbooks) [21:46] honestly, that sounds like a limitation from the stone age of computing [21:46] There is no way for me to log the person out of the db remotely [21:47] Urchlay: no shit [21:47] ^kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30CA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [21:47] even if you drop a nuclear warhead on their workstation, the server thinks they're still logged in, I guess [21:47] The server even has a DB monitor but is there a function to log users out? of course not. [21:47] antiwire: I warned you about that too. [21:48] You didn't warn me about anything I didn't already know [21:48] I had told them what would happen if they didn't log out and sure enough they don't take it seriously. [21:48] ok, ok. [21:48] that's perfectly OK except of course they won't accept that. It's always somehow your fault... [21:49] When they need the backup and I get to drop the name of the person who forgot to log out and caused the DB to be skipped they might take it seriously. [21:49] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:49] yeah, nobody takes backups seriously anyway, until something breaks and they *need* them [21:50] QBPOS has automatic scheduled backups though. [21:50] thankfully. [21:50] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: [21:50] marchhare (n=marchhar@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:50] speaking of that... [21:50] lol [21:51] one place I worked, we *needed* the backups, and we discovered the guy in charge of making backups had been religiously swapping DVDs and labelling them, and ignoring the error messages cron was mailing to him nightly about how growisofs was failing... [21:51] did anyone hear about the tmobile sidekick disaster? [21:51] so he was the high priest of empty DVDs [21:51] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [21:51] Urchlay: It's always a great moment when you realize the backups are useless. [21:51] must say, his handwriting on the labels was gorgeous. Probably that's how he ended up in charge of backups. [21:52] Like 10 thousand puppies dying [21:52] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:52] My only option is to reboot the server if I want to pull an offsite backup for them right now. [21:52] he was in management though, instead of getting fired or even getting removed from backup-master duty, he just got to carry on as though nothing bad happened [21:53] So really, all he had been doing was labeling blank DVD-Rs. [21:53] yep [21:53] that's awesome. [21:54] and getting paid twice what I do [21:54] s/do/did/ [21:54] lol [21:54] Hello People. [21:54] this nickname register thing is getting old. [21:54] yeah, I kinda resent being forced to register [21:54] I did it, but I'm not real happy about it [21:55] slackwarebob: it's necessary. [21:55] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:55] I know it's necessary. My muscle memory for the identify is not real good. so I keep mistyping the identify to nickserv. lol takes a while. [21:55] slackwarebob: use a scriptable client [21:55] at now there can't be another slackwarebob. [21:55] and actually write a script, too... [21:55] Urchlay: hmmm, can I do that in irssi? [21:56] sure [21:56] should be able to. [21:56] slackwarebob: I do it. [21:56] now let's let 30 people debate how safe it is to store your irc password in a clear text file which has the script. [21:56] 3... 2... 1... [21:56] slackwarebob: chmod 600 [21:57] I was joking. 'coz inevitably someone comes along and talk in detail about storing pwds in cleartext. [21:57] *shrug*, until the new ircd replaces the current one, your irc password is going to have to get transmitted over the net in clear text anyway, which I'd consider a bigger problem than storing it in clear text on a hard drive [21:57] hehe. [21:57] (the new ircd is going to support SSL) [21:58] ircd on the server side, or will it run as a server on teh client side too, supporting multiple connects/disconnects while keeping session connected. [21:58] eh? no, that that I know of [21:58] rignes (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) left irc: Client Quit [21:58] rignes (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) joined ##slackware. [21:59] unless you're talking about some kinda irc proxy type of thing, which you could run if you wanted to [21:59] like I think it's hilarious how over designed htings like urxvtd and blah blah are. I'm sure there's other example that can be used, but that one comes to mind now. [21:59] there's a server and a client. It's all running on the machine. just let it run!! [22:00] Urchlay: and ssl on freenodes testnet works great too. Myself and a bot are connected to it. [22:00] cd Vi [22:00] ls [22:00] doh! [22:00] never heard of urxvtd, is it what the name suggests? (some kinda persistent state for a terminal, so you can close the client window, then open a new client and be where you were)? why not just use screen for something like that? [22:01] chopp: I connected to the testnet with ssl earlier, but left (nobody was in ##slackware on there) [22:01] Urchlay: not sure. I steer clear of it. I don't need my term emulator to be _that_ sophisticated. [22:03] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC306FA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [22:03] Urchlay: yeah it's just up for testing yet. End of the month they do the big switch I guess. [22:03] awesome [22:03] finally [22:03] antiwire: indeed [22:03] personally, I think the mirc was the best client for irc. [22:03] .... [22:04] slackwarebob: I don't really have a need for something like urxvtd, my xterms get started by my window manager when X starts, I never move/resize/close them (ever) [22:04] I almost spit water all over the place [22:04] actually, other than the fact that it's for windows, and shareware/closed-source, what's so rotten about mirc? (I know old versions had security flaws, did those never get fixed?) [22:05] I haven't used it in 10-12 years, I don't remember it being complete crap [22:05] Urchlay: nothing wrong with mirc as a windows client but "the best client" .. sorry .. irssi beats mirc quite easily [22:06] Nick change: dErFz -> derfz [22:06] BP{k}: I say best, based only on my experience. :) I learnt the scripting and did lot of advanced scripting [22:06] how can i get the files from http://thoughtbit.com/xorg-build/packages/x/ -> do i 'wget http://thoughtbit.com/xorg-build/packages/x/' [22:06] oh yeah, any terminal client is better than a gui client, to me... and irssi scripts are perl, which happens to be the scripting language I like best (huge part of why I moved to irssi was that ircII-based clients all use Tcl, a language I loathe and can't be bothered to care enough to learn) [22:07] morning [22:07] derfz: you need a -r in there. You probably ought to read "man wget", there are various other useful options [22:07] and then 'installpkg in the dir'? [22:07] what's the link for the manula [22:08] or i read mnan [22:08] man [22:08] yes, just type "man wget" in a terminal [22:08] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:08] and installpkg also has a man page [22:08] Urchlay, wait, are you expecting someone to read a manual? [22:08] everyone should rtfm [22:08] have you lost your mind? [22:09] edman007: yah. I do it, and I'm not a rocket scientist, so other people should be able to as well [22:09] Urchlay, i don't even know where to begin...where are the judges? [22:09] what is this man-u-al that you speak of? [22:09] Urchlay: who can't read the manual? [22:10] mfillpot: I dunno if the guy I was talking to can or can't, I think maybe he didn't know it existed [22:10] (in a couple minutes we might get questions indicating whether he can or can't read, I never met the guy before so I dunno) [22:11] Urchlay, right...everything should be self-documenting and thus a proper application should have no documentation other than itself [22:11] Skynet could document itself [22:11] hell it replicated itself [22:12] edman007: not so sure I like that. You'd end up with a thousand applications, each with their own special format for documentation + reader for that format. Probably better to standardize on something like man pages (or HTML, SGML, info, plain text... nice thing about standards: there are so many to choose from) [22:12] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [22:12] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-70-18-153-77.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:13] you would be amazed how many people have been running *ubuntu for a while and done't even know what man, apropos, whatis and whereis are. [22:13] MLanden: yo [22:13] mfillpot, y0 [22:13] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:13] heya,folks [22:13] mfillpot give me more common commands [22:13] mfillpot: sadly, no I wouldn't... [22:13] I just now figured out what the any key is. [22:13] antiwire: the one somebody stuck a sticker on, that says "ANY"? [22:14] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [22:14] Urchlay, no, self documenting does not mean it includes the documentation, it means that your first guess as to what should be done is right, for example a search engine does not need to tell you where to type your query, you should be able to tell where to type it [22:14] I just walked an experienced buntu use through the slack install the other night and had to tell him how to find documentation [22:14] what's the difference between documentation and manual [22:14] nothing [22:14] paissad (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:14] a manual is documentation. [22:15] edman007: that only works if we assume that all potential users are identical. Different people will make different first guesses, because there's no standard-issue human brain to depend on [22:15] derfz, a manual covers how things ought to be, documentation covers how things are, in an idea world they should be equal [22:15] (queue a massive pedant discussion about manual vs. documentation) [22:15] ah right on queue [22:15] *ideal [22:16] this is no time to argue pointless items [22:16] Urchlay, think I remember seeing a modded keyboard where someone did have a ANY key installed in the multimedia key area [22:16] edman007 1, opponents 0 [22:16] teckan_ (n=teckan@p5B0CEF88.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] Urchlay, that is a problem [22:17] might of been hackaday or make [22:17] MLanden: like this keyboard? http://pics.miguev.net/v/funny/geek/mskey.jpg.html [22:18] edman007: I don't consider human diversity a problem in the sense of something that's bad and should be gotten rid of [22:18] but it's definitely an interesting problem in the sense of something challenging, requiring study to come up with clever solutions [22:18] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:18] paissad (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [22:18] Urchlay, sorta like this one http://charlieharvey.org.uk/photos/press_any_key.jpg [22:19] MLanden: that just looks glued on, probably non-functional, put there to torment n00bs [22:20] "Press any key to continue, or any other key to quit" [22:20] mquin (i=mike@freenode/staff/mquin) left irc: Connection timed out [22:23] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [22:23] blist [22:23] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] Urchlay, yeah,that one does look glued..just using it as an example [22:24] :( dreamhost is under attack and i can't get to my webserver :( [22:25] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:25] here is a good purchase - http://tinyurl.com/ybewpfc [22:25] teckan_ (n=teckan@p5B0CEF88.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:26] dreamhost? russian hackers again? [22:26] i heil the man pages in the name of slackware [22:26] slackwarebob, not sure. [22:27] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:27] lol,mfillpot...checking hackaday site came up with this one http://www.keyboardforblondes.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.main and it's pink..:) [22:27] pretty weird. with all the technology there just isn't a good defense for DDoS attacks. [22:28] MLanden: nice, lets get those for all ubuntu users [22:28] lol, you don't like ubuntu users? [22:29] slackwarebob: they are just windows users with less viri [22:29] wish I'd had a camera the time I went to the hardware store and saw a whole shelf full of hot pink mini-chainsaws [22:29] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:30] Urchlay, that's for the Allanis Morisette switching over to L7...>:) [22:30] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [22:30] was one of those completely surreal moments, when I'm in doubt whether it's me or the entire world that's gone insane [22:30] mfillpot: even windows can have 0 virus if those users learn to not run as administrators.... [22:30] slackwarebob: nobody's ever written a windows virus that runs as the user who installs it? [22:30] tuvok302Lappy (i=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-107.dial.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:31] but Ubuntu is pretty cool and allows a user to get familiar with linux while still having plug 'n play capability. [22:31] Urchlay: well if you run as a "user", you don't have permissions to do much. So it will possibly cause mischief but nothing will install itself. And it will only cause mischief if you actually download and run the file. [22:32] I dunno, to me, ubuntu goes out of its way to prevent the user from getting familiar with linux. But then I'd teach people to swim by throwing them in the water, too... [22:32] Urchlay: IE won't have permissions to download activex and such. I run without antivirus programs on windows. it's pretty ok. [22:32] Urchlay: I agree [22:32] Urchlay: I guess it can switch users to linux and then the user must take time to start exploring. [22:32] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:33] slackwarebob: what happens when you hit a site that requires activex to work normally? and their activex control sneakily includes nastyware in addition to whatever it's supposed to do? [22:33] slackwarebob: re:DDOS, that we need is an agreement between ISPs to block excess packets of the same structure from single hosts. [22:33] (or in that case, you'd do what a linux user does, move on to a different site that actually works?) [22:33] teckan (n=teckan@p5B0CB536.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:33] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:34] Urchlay: to be honest, if a site requires activex, I don't run it. Unless I really trust it, such as a banking website, microsoft.com for updates, or others. All the rest can either work without or deal with one less user. :) [22:34] slackwarebob: for the familiarity that ubuntu can grant, it can be good, but the "user friendly" technique allows them to be lazy and opt for easy answers rather than learning [22:34] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:34] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [22:35] mfillpot: yeah, I guess Ubuntu team is focussed on moving users away from windows to a free OS, and giving them a choice as opposed to make them learn about linux. [22:36] slackwarebob: and if they don't actually learn then the cycle will continue, but the malicious users will start thinking they have easy targets on linux based systems. [22:36] slackwarebob, mfillpot believe it or not, "learning computers" is not the only reason to use a computer or even to use linux. [22:36] easy and better targets [22:36] mfillpot: right, that's a whole other problem. :) at least the OS won't cost 200.00 [22:36] compromised Linux systems have much more functionality than just a windows system [22:37] no one wants a car that doesn't just work and let you press a few buttons here and there [22:37] hiptobecubic: you must learn to use any tool that you use continuously, as with cars, not paying attention gets you in a lot of trouble. [22:37] hiptobecubic: no, it's not, but right now most computer users are at the other end of the spectrum: they refuse to learn the slightest bit of anything at all. There are people who use a computer for 8 hours a day as part of their jobs, to whom it might as well be a magic box with an infernal demon bound inside [22:38] don't get me wrong I have turned quite a few people onto ubuntu, but that is only because I got tired of their infections. [22:38] right,mfillpot...replace press any key for check oil level...lol [22:38] Urchlay, there are loads of tools that work that way and as long as they continue to work, that's how it's going to stay. It really doesn't matter if it's a demon box or a silicon maze [22:39] in car terms: I'm not saying they need to learn how to change their own oil, I'm saying they need to understand that their engine contains oil, and when the "change oil soon" light comes on, they need to actually do it [22:39] (take it to a shop & have it changed, I mean) [22:40] hiptobecubic: well, it does matter to me. I can't really give a rational explanation why I need rational explanations though [22:40] and for most computer users the equivalent of the "check oil" light is when the comp gets slow, rather than addressing the problem they just buy new computers [22:40] I have seen it many times [22:40] neo_ (n=neo@123.185.214.186) joined ##slackware. [22:41] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@168-103-62-246.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:41] mfillpot: at a certain income level, people do the same thing with cars [22:41] Urchlay: I agree [22:41] (usually they lease instead of buying, though) [22:41] matumatu (n=matumatu@client80-83-42-195.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:42] MLanden: they need to change the ubuntu motto to "linux for blondes" and give a pink keyboard with every pre-installed system. [22:42] somebody call me while I was away? [22:42] I once saw a "Barbie PC" running Red Hat, I lol'ed... ununtu hadn't been invented yet though [22:43] I know it is a bad joke, but I help people in many venues and I like the concept of buntu but they user annoy me more than any others [22:43] mfillpot, lol....might be on to something there...:) [22:44] you know [22:44] picture of one in this article here: http://www.pcworld.com/printable/article/id,129857/printable.html [22:44] having used ubuntu as recent as 9.04 [22:44] Sure it holds your hand and enables you to continue your click and drool lifestyle [22:44] but it doesn't have to, and it's not an inherently terrible distro [22:45] like say... Hannah Montana Linux [22:45] eh, does that actually exist? [22:46] (I only vaguely have an idea of what a hannah montana even is) [22:46] Urchlay, yes. it's beautiful [22:46] I heard a rumor that someone released it [22:46] Urchlay, http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html [22:46] alkos333 (n=alkos333@68-30-187-7.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] I'm running it [22:47] for realz [22:47] lol [22:47] hiptobecubic: I actually don't want to know, you know... [22:47] ok guys slackware sucks. [22:47] and i am runnin into a red brick wall.. for realz [22:47] I'm switching to hannah montana linux. [22:48] LMAO! [22:48] slackwarebob: go for it! :P [22:48] jdetring_ (n=jay@adsl-70-234-189-83.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:48] hehe. [22:48] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: "Leaving" [22:48] it's pretty cute [22:48] who here knows how to read assembler? [22:48] slackwarebob is now known as hannamontanabob [22:48] that is.. disassembled BIOS code :P [22:49] chopp: lol [22:49] who wants coffee? [22:49] macavity: disassembled BIOS code is tricky, you got no labels, and often no docs on what the various I/O and memory-mapped ports are for [22:49] macavity: I've already had too much [22:49] Tim Hortons please [22:49] hannahmontanabob sounds cool. [22:50] it's only a nickserv away [22:50] macavity: what are you actually doing? (the bug picture I mean) [22:50] er, big picture. Was that a Freudian slip? [22:50] Freudian dick? [22:51] hiptobecubic: that's a fancy name for what, a cigar? [22:51] lol..gettin' jiggy with Siggy [22:51] :D [22:51] Urchlay: i am trying to get into my own super i/o chip (aka "the windbond").. but Intel/Asus has made that a hard job [22:52] get into... for the purpose of writing/fixing a driver? [22:52] Urchlay: if i manage to do this we might get Coreboot to run on a whole line of asus laptops (including EeePC) [22:53] Urchlay: no, for the porpose of getting it to a) allow me to actually flash my own bios without proprietary software, and b) spilling its guts on how things are pinned out on the motherboard [22:53] in laptops the superio is actually both a superio and an embedded controler [22:53] and its the EC i need to program differently [22:54] like.. making sure it doesnt hide its ioports like it does now [22:54] there is little point in having coreboot support for my laptop if i cant get to flash the bios with it :P [22:55] I can't believe you haters don't like hannah montana. [22:55] slackwarebob: id SO like to see her as the lead actress in a Rocco movie ;-) [22:55] right. Eh, so, it's deliberately obfuscated to try to stop reverse engineering? [22:55] Rocco? [22:56] Urchlay: to the extreme :-/ [22:56] lol [22:56] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [22:56] slackwarebob: Rocco Sigfredi.. hardcore porn star [22:56] slackwarebob: likes to do nasty things to women.. preferably in the rear [22:56] yuck. she's just a kid. [22:57] ;-) [22:57] people like you ruin impressions of kids as soon as they get out of the nest. [22:57] :P [22:57] ugh. I dunno that I'd be able to offer any insight... I mean I can read asm code, but if it's deliberately made hard to read, I might not have any clue how it works [22:57] macavity: you are truly a provert, I give you a round of applause [22:58] Urchlay: oh, and the funny part of it is not in x86 code.. its in 8051 [22:58] slackwarebob: kid? wikipedia says she just turned 18, so she's fair game... [22:58] and my 8051/2 dis assembler has a *horrid* syntax [22:58] Action: macavity calls Rocco [23:00] hey, any good software to recover lost partition ? [23:00] no hablo 8051... [23:00] anavel: what kind of "lost" is it? [23:00] me neither :-/ [23:00] Urchlay: because of re-partitioning [23:00] Urchlay: you could go to argentina. [23:00] AoC is 13. [23:00] O_O [23:01] slackwarebob: ewww [23:01] i wonder which perverted politician got that through [23:01] so now you say ewww. it's all 'coz culture says 18 is ok. [23:01] slackwarebob: if I were that kinda pervert, I could just drive across the border to alabama [23:01] here AoC is 15 [23:01] thats gross enough for me :P [23:01] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:01] but once you get older, higher and higher AoC still seems too young. [23:01] Urchlay, stereotype people in ignorance lately? 8-) [23:02] macavity: it's 13 in a lot of countries. [23:02] 13/14/15 [23:02] well.. i did it when i was 13... with someone else 13 [23:02] Delahunt: eh? I suppose I need blinking "this is a joke" tags or something... [23:02] Oman, Pakistan just says must be married. AoC is non existant. [23:02] its the 45 and 13 that makes me want to kill [23:02] macavity: then you're both ewwws. [23:02] is traditional for people from georgia to make fun of people from alabama, and vice versa [23:02] no man.. she was hawt [23:03] unless you're the 13 and the 45 is some actress? [23:03] slackwarebob: at age 13, I would have thought "ewww, old ladies are gross" [23:03] Urchlay, i know it was a joke silly 8-P [23:03] lol spain, south korea also 13. [23:03] i was thinging 45 bald dood and 13 semi retarded girl who is susebtile to flattery [23:04] Vatican 12? [23:04] Plasmius (i=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) joined ##slackware. [23:04] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] lol, Indiana 14. hillbillies. [23:04] slackwarebob: yah, but all the adult males there are priests sworn to celibacy, so it doesn't really matter? [23:04] Vatican is "boy, any age" "woman, when she is maried" "prostitute, when the price is right" [23:04] ++macavity; [23:05] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [23:05] lol,macavity [23:05] Plasmius: if you post one single URL it will be the last thing you do :P [23:05] philipines also [23:05] 12 [23:06] eh? [23:06] Plasmastar: i was talking to your bot.. you are aware that we have had sever bot problems on freenode lately, right? [23:06] macavity: wait, the evil spam bots are all registered with nickserv and have "bot" in their cloak string? [23:07] oh, you weren't talking about that kinda bot [23:07] soo... guys, any good software to recover lost partition because of re-partitioning ? [23:07] Urchlay: no man, im just kidding around [23:07] is there a way to blacklist kernel upgrades in debian ? (ok... i know that is a slack channel) [23:07] well the catholics, no offense, are dead wrong [23:07] Mine pose no threats. [23:07] Delahunt: let us not get into any real religius discussion, ok? [23:07] right there in the Bible: -A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; [23:07] anavel: what have you done since you deleted the partition? did you create a new partition or not? [23:07] komentarze_listy, no, and dont' ask in here :> [23:07] anavel: there's a few. upto $60 and they work fairly well. [23:07] seriously, cut it out [23:07] they can't follow the rules, much less their own [23:08] yeah, no religion [23:08] Action: Delahunt shrugs [23:08] that is sad [23:08] Urchlay: it's not me. But my friend's HDD [23:08] komentarze_listy, install slackware, we'll help you [23:08] so you can bring it up and trash them but then i can't point something out? sounds like a double standard to me [23:08] Urchlay: i am guessing, he doesn't do much. [23:08] foobarz (i=1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [23:08] anavel: well what has your friend done then? did he just delete the partition, and go "crap, I deleted the partition" so he turned the computer off? [23:08] slackwarebob: any good free ones ? [23:08] Urchlay: most likely. [23:09] have you tried just re-creating the partition? (assuming you can figure out what the start/end cylinders are supposed to be?) [23:09] alkos333 (n=alkos333@68-30-187-7.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:09] Urchlay: how can i know the start and end cylinder ? since it's already wiped out. [23:10] deleting a partition just removes its definition from the partition table, doesn't actually alter or remove the data in the partition [23:10] done it before. if you recreate the partition exactly as it was in cfdisk or whatever, it ought to fix itself (sort of) [23:10] Delahunt: there is a big difference between a witty remark and a point-by-point-flame-for-being-wrong..... [23:10] Delahunt: worth to try. [23:10] anavel: no, but if you really need your work, data, 60 is nothing. [23:10] anavel: I dunno, was it the only partition on the disk? Or, are there other partitions that still exist? [23:10] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) joined ##slackware. [23:10] macavity, which of my statements sounded rude to you? [23:10] anavel: officials data fixers cost 500 per drive. [23:10] Urchlay: the whole HDD is wiped out. [23:10] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I'm done for now" [23:11] anavel: OK, do you have any idea how it got that way? [23:11] i merely pointed out they can't follow the rules they claim to follow, you guys were the ones stereotyping and insulting people on a roll in the name of comedy 8-) [23:11] Urchlay: he were trying to re-partition his HDD. [23:11] accidentally he did that. [23:11] anavel: accidentally he deleted all his partitions and created no new ones? [23:12] he created new ones. [23:12] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.243) joined ##slackware. [23:12] did he format the new partition(s)? [23:12] wait [23:12] I've been able to recover data even after formating and installing top of the previous one. Data that was in the free space. [23:12] hi i have a script like this-->http://pastebin.com/m24172dee but when i run it--> ./recordbk.sh i get the error-->./recordbk.sh: 2: mv: Argument list too long [23:13] slackwarebob: yah, but it's a bit easier if he hadn't already formatted [23:13] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.107.212) joined ##slackware. [23:13] Urchlay: true. :) Just saying to research and buy something that works. [23:13] break time. :) [23:13] Delahunt: i just made fun of pedos (which i hate) and i made fun of caths (which i dont mind the slightest bit) in short sucsession.. what i didnt do was trying to describe "what is wrong with them".. if you cant see the difference between a joke on a common misconseption/prejudice and a real bashing i simply give up [23:14] ruben23: look into using echo and xargs [23:14] Urchlay:how would i do it..? [23:15] echo /var/spool/asterisk/monitorDONE/ORIG/* | xargs -I{} mv {} /media/share/ # something like that, based on half-remembered stuff. You better read "man xargs" instead of relying on that though. [23:16] macavity, to me the point was that you can bring it up but then when i join in, i'm the one who is asked to stop, which is unfair [23:16] >_< [23:16] i give up [23:16] if anything maybe you could've said "we" or started discussing it on ##slackware-offtopic [23:16] Action: Delahunt shrugs [23:16] what's fair is fair [23:16] ** Now ignoring Delahunt [23:16] Urchlay | anavel: accidentally he deleted all his partitions and created no new ones? <--- no he didn't [23:17] Action: Delahunt shrugs [23:18] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:18] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [23:18] anavel: OK, if you can either guess or figure out exactly how many primary partitions there were, and what the start/end cylinders were, you can easily use fdisk to fix it. If you can't, eh, now you're moving into the realm of "stuff I could probably figure out how to do, but would require significant effort and I'd have to charge money for" [23:19] plus, if you were going to spend money, you'd be better off spending it on some already-written software with a good reputation, not some random guy you met on IRC [23:19] anavel: or obtain a commercial partition recovery tool [23:20] right [23:20] (yes, the FSF nut said that) [23:20] Urchlay: what if i created new partition with cfdisk with the same setup as the old ones. Will it works ? [23:20] anavel: yes [23:20] emphasis on *same* [23:20] it has to be exact [23:20] anavel: provided nothing has touched the actual data (e.g. creating *and formatting* new partitions in place of the old ones) [23:20] Urchlay: even though i don't know exactly the start and end cylinder and hoping cfdisk can figure it out ? [23:21] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.189.83) joined ##slackware. [23:21] Urchlay: more like i am gonna try re-creating the partition until i found the correct setup. [23:21] eh, if there was only one disk-sized partition, the default cfdisk size might work [23:21] anavel: I recovered my partitions like that once. [23:21] anavel: the data was intact. [23:21] anavel: OK, if you're doing that, how are you testing it, after each attempt? [23:21] thumbs: with multiple partition and cfdisk ? [23:22] Urchlay: trying to access the filesystem. [23:22] *the partition [23:22] anavel: how? mount it read-only, ls /mnt/tmp? [23:22] anavel: yes. [23:22] Urchlay: sort of. [23:22] anavel: I had /, /home and /usr/local [23:22] hint: if it's an OS partition (linux, windows, whatever), and you get the starting cylinder right but the ending wrong, you don't want to mount it read-write or try to boot from it [23:23] i see [23:23] fsck (or scandisk) will probably "helpfully" clobber the data [23:23] I can't unmount my usb drive via "umount" says "device is busy". I tried "lsof | grep /dev/sdc1" which didn't show anything. [23:23] Urchlay: gonna try to recover it via usb. [23:24] the way to test it would be "mount -o ro /dev/whatever /mnt/tmp ; ls /mnt/tmp" (also check dmesg for warnings from mount, it might gripe that the filesystem size is bigger than the partition size, clue that you've got the ending cylinder wrong) [23:24] lechiffre: are you still residing in the directory where the usb is mounted? [23:24] tuvok302Lappy (i=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-53.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:25] urthwrm nope [23:26] right, gonna try it. thanks guys :) [23:26] anavel: an even better idea: if you can find one of those USB external drive caddies that actually has a working write-protect switch, use that. The idea here is that you do NOT want ANYTHING to write to the disk (and mounting something read-write involves writing metadata to the disk, things like the last mount time and usage count) [23:26] "mount -o ro" won't try to write anything to the device [23:26] urthwrm thanks. In root I wasn't but as user I had been :p [23:26] lechiffre: :-) [23:27] having a hardware switch would save you from human error (typos or forgetfulness) but isn't strictly necessary [23:27] korg815 (n=korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [23:27] tuvok302Lappy (i=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-53.dial.telus.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:27] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-53.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:29] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:29] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [23:29] anavel: in fact, hey, have you got another drive of the same size or larger? you could dd the bad drive to the new drive, and do your testing/fixing on the copy [23:29] (making a new copy if you screw it up) [23:29] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [23:30] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [23:30] woo. slackware is reinstalled! [23:30] After a fresh install of Slackware, I had thumb drives automatically detected and mounted on my desktop IIRC. But now I don't get those anymore, I have to manually do that using "mount". Any ideas? [23:31] lechiffre: are you part of the plugdev group? [23:31] thumbs nope. Should I be? [23:31] lechiffre: yes. [23:32] thumbs thanks. What else should a normal user should be part of?. I have only "audio" right now. [23:33] bash-3.1$ groups [23:33] users audio video cdrom games plugdev power scanner [23:33] thumbs up :-). thanks a lot. [23:33] sure. Logoff once you're done. [23:34] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) left irc: "DIE ([Plasmastar] "Some IRCDs have to be gay.")" [23:34] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) joined ##slackware. [23:35] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:35] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:36] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [23:36] Query: how do I get lilo to be happy when upgrading the kernel in -current? [23:36] NaCl, meaning? [23:36] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.107.212) left irc: "Leaving" [23:37] I need to change hda to sda. Lilo needs to know that /dev/sda1 is the new root, but it's /dev/hda now [23:37] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:37] hda1, rather [23:37] NaCl, not sure what you mean, make sure that /etc/lilo.conf is pointing at the new kernel and run lilo as rot [23:37] root* [23:37] It is pointing at the new kernel. [23:37] But the root file system changed. [23:38] he wants it to smile [23:38] Wait a sec... this may be a PEMCAK [23:38] *PEBCAK, rather [23:39] Hmmm [23:39] Making suexec work on Slackware is difficult [23:39] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.107.212) joined ##slackware. [23:39] Nope, not PEBCAK [23:39] Well, not that PEBCAK. [23:39] NaCl: http://rlworkman.net/howtos/libata-switchover [23:40] ugh. Wonder how I managed to break dmix... [23:40] Action: Urchlay curses at alsaconf [23:40] Urchlay: re your NFS troubles, have you tried forcing particular ports and such for the components? [23:40] Urchlay: NFS works great for me on my home lan. [23:41] rworkman: thanks [23:41] root007 [23:41] shit [23:41] lol [23:41] HAHA [23:41] Action: slackwarebob suggest kmix [23:41] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [23:41] pwned [23:41] rworkman: nah, it's been over a year since I moved out of that place and into a place where I could run cable. It works tolerably well on my wired LAN, it's mostly the combination of NFS, wireless, and cheap wireless cards that caused real problems [23:41] Organizm (n=lane@c-69-243-237-89.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:42] that's one weakass password too [23:42] antiwire: it's for my VM [23:42] Urchlay: well, fwiw, http://rlworkman.net/howtos/NFS_Firewall_HOWTO [23:42] hrr, relevant? no firewalls were in play [23:42] rworkman: ping [23:42] ah, yes. I don't even have passwords on my vms [23:42] antiwire: for haxing polkit. [23:42] well, not between the NFS server and clients, anyway [23:42] Urchlay: right, but the stable port assignments seem to help. Maybe it's all in my head :) [23:43] nah, it probably does help [23:43] rworkman: pm? [23:43] alisonken1home: sure [23:43] it probably *doesn't* help that the main NFS client was slackware 9 that I was too lazy/busy to upgrade, while the server was 12.0 [23:44] Well, it shouldn't matter, but who knows [23:44] that client hasn't even been plugged in since I moved (it was the HTPC box, there's no room in the living room for it here, so it just gathers dust) [23:46] polkit seems like a giant pain in the ass [23:46] argh. Where should I be looking, trying to fix my lack of functional dmix for alsa? not /etc/asound.conf (it's a symlink to /etc/bluetooth/asound.conf and is identical on both the working and broken machines) [23:47] Urchlay, if something is using oss it may be blocking the card [23:47] fuser /dev/dsp maybe? [23:47] yes, but the something that's using OSS was something that, a week ago, did NOT block the card [23:48] since that time I've installed a 2nd card and run "alsaconf" to set it as the default card. (and rmmod the driver for the onboard card) [23:48] i have no clue, sorry [23:49] I'm fully aware that I can kill off my one OSS-using app, but I kinda don't want to (it's vbox, I used to be able to play old windows games with it while listening to mp3s with mplayer or mpg123) [23:49] Urchlay: rm /etc/asound.state && alsamixer && alsactl store? [23:49] Organizm (n=lane@c-69-243-237-89.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:50] and for the curious, yes, vbox can use alsa, but for some reason it doesn't work real well (very choppy audio, occasionally freezes, with OSS it's much better) [23:50] macavity: done that previously. Don't really think asound.state has much to do with it... [23:51] OK, did it again, no effect [23:52] [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1321:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: Device or resource busy \n [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave [23:52] GooseYArd: yes. [23:52] fuser and lsof report no processes using /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p, I assume it's being used by the kernel for oss emulation [23:52] Nick change: derfz -> dErFz [23:53] alsaconf does what, exactly? writes stuff in /etc/modprobe.d, does it do anything else? [23:53] it seems like too many layers of userspace stuff involved in privilege-granting [23:54] and none of its been around long enough that I feel much trust in it [23:55] gm152 (n=gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:55] I can't get my screensaver to end [23:56] can you ssh in and kill it? [23:57] interesting idea [23:57] let's see if I have ssh installed on any of my other boxes [00:00] --- Mon Jan 18 2010