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[00:03] <ccfreak2k> Great.
[00:04] <antler> heh yesterday it was around 6mb/s.
[00:04] <ccfreak2k> Now my mouse cursor is all squirrely again.
[00:04] <antler> fire|bird ^^
[00:04] <fire|bird> hey antler, how's it going?
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[00:05] <antler> hey fire|bird . very well. quite hot in here, but.... how are things with you?
[00:05] <rhys> antler, put a machine at a good tech university. Then you can muahahhaha at a synchronous 100mbit both ways.
[00:05] <rhys> antler, or however fast the other end is. :D
[00:05] <fire|bird> antler: doing excellent, thanks. Got boot to 16.55s. :D
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[00:06] <antler> rhys: yeah totally
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[00:07] <antler> fire|bird: my boot time is 16.543s.
[00:07] <fire|bird> :(
[00:07] <fire|bird> thanks, I have to go get mine faster now. :P
[00:07] <rhys> antler, I placed an AVR32 NGW100 board with open-wrt, to run screen + rtorrent. :D
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[00:07] Action: andarius is around 10-12s :|
[00:08] <fire|bird> heya mrselfpwn
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[00:08] <mrselfpwn> hey fire|bird
[00:08] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: 16.55
[00:08] <mrselfpwn> nice
[00:08] <mrselfpwn> did you recompile yet?
[00:08] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: that gtk-stuff isn't working though.
[00:08] <antler> rhys: sweet :)
[00:08] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: yeah, earlier today.
[00:08] <mrselfpwn> what do you mean?
[00:09] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: I get an error when I try to run it.
[00:09] <fire|bird> sec
[00:09] <mrselfpwn> chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.gtk-stuff
[00:09] <fire|bird> yup, did that
[00:09] <mrselfpwn> then simply typing /etc/rc.d/rc.gtk-stuff and hit enter as root *should* work
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[00:10] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: zsh: ./gtk_stuff: bad interpreter: /bin/sh^M: no such file or directory
[00:10] <andarius> lol
[00:10] <fire|bird> I checked, I don't have a ^M there. I don't know what the heck
[00:10] <fire|bird> andarius: don't lol, laugh to yourself. :P
[00:10] <andarius> what editor did you check it with ?
[00:11] <fire|bird> vim
[00:11] <gtl> what's a very updated rsync mirror for slack?
[00:11] <mrselfpwn> rsync://rsync.slackware.no
[00:11] <gtl> ty
[00:12] <rworkman> fire|bird: TEMPFILE=$(mktemp) ; fromdos < rc.gtk-stuff > $TEMPFILE ; cat $TEMPFILE > rc.gtk-stuff ; rm -f $TEMPFILE
[00:14] <fire|bird> \o/
[00:14] <fire|bird> rworkman: thank you
[00:14] <rworkman> yw
[00:15] <mrselfpwn> and what did that do?
[00:15] <mrselfpwn> ah
[00:15] <mrselfpwn> bad characters in the file?
[00:15] <BP{k}> it summoned magical pwnies
[00:15] <rob0> It sold your children into slavery.
[00:16] <mrselfpwn> 1 less mouth to feed
[00:16] <fire|bird> haha
[00:16] <rob0> but it was a cute mouth, you'll miss it
[00:16] <antler> mrselfpwn: god i hear you
[00:17] <gtl> focus, people, focus =) hehe!
[00:17] Action: andarius gets out the rifle so he can shoot those magical pwnies ...
[00:17] Action: antler has his slingshot aimed right at andarius 
[00:18] <andarius> shoot your own pwny :P
[00:18] Action: antler uses edman007 's sawed off leg and kicks fire|bird in the nuts with it
[00:18] <mrselfpwn> why was it saved as a dos text file?  is that vim's default config?
[00:19] Action: fire|bird aims his gatling gun at antler 
[00:19] <antler> the bullets go right through antler 's antler
[00:19] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: I don't believe so, but something didn't go right.
[00:19] <mrselfpwn> lol
[00:19] <fire|bird> antler: I didn't pull the trigger yet.
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[00:20] <mrselfpwn> sounds like a bad sci-fi movie
[00:20] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: sci-fi is now named SyFy now
[00:22] <mrselfpwn> did the asynchronous SCSI loading stuff help fire|bird?
[00:22] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: I believe so, yes. I haven't really noticed a huge difference.
[00:22] <mrselfpwn> seemed like a very good option to have anyway
[00:23] <fire|bird> yeah
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[00:23] <jeev> customer
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[00:26] <antler> i think someone should make theme music for this channel, or just use the one from "days of our lives"
[00:27] <mrselfpwn> lol
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[00:28] <mrselfpwn> speaking of which, what do those other distros use to play music as the system boots?
[00:28] <mrselfpwn> (i know it would slow down boot time fire|bird) :P
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[00:29] <antler> i've never heard any distro play any music during boot
[00:29] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: I don't know, I've wondered how that works too.
[00:29] <mrselfpwn> sabayon linux
[00:29] <fire|bird> antler: Sabayon does, it's really nice
[00:29] <antler> mrselfpwn: are you sure that's not after you're in x?
[00:29] <fire|bird> based on Gento
[00:29] <fire|bird> Gentoo
[00:29] <fire|bird> antler: no, it's during boot. before x
[00:30] <antler> oh. that's a nice looking distro
[00:30] <fire|bird> antler: yes, very nice.
[00:30] <mrselfpwn> yes, i used to use it on my desktop
[00:30] <fire|bird> I've tried the live dvd, and once had it in a vm
[00:30] <fire|bird> very nice, well put together distro
[00:30] <mrselfpwn> one of the better distros imo for higher end systems
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[00:30] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: agreed
[00:31] <antler> is that their market?
[00:31] <mrselfpwn> no, they have a mini version which uses xfce i believe
[00:32] <antler> dreamlinux is another nice looking one
[00:32] <antler> brazillian, i think
[00:32] <mrselfpwn> yes
[00:32] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: I think they have a gnome edition too.
[00:32] <mrselfpwn> imo sabayon works out of the box even better than ubuntu.
[00:32] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: yeah, just not a scaled down newbie distro. :P
[00:34] <fire|bird> Sabayon has a LiteMCE edition as well
[00:34] <mrselfpwn> They make sure all the codes needed are installed, etc etc
[00:34] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: yeah, they do great work
[00:34] <fire|bird> they have nice artwork too imo
[00:34] <mrselfpwn> yes
[00:35] <mrselfpwn> if you want a good linux-gaming distro sabayon is one of the best
[00:35] <antler> i think they should change the distro name to "sybian"
[00:36] <mrselfpwn> lmao
[00:36] <antler> sounds kinda the same
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[00:36] <Motoko-chan> Their website doesn't work when Javascript is disabled.
[00:36] <mrselfpwn> hmm, well sabayon is an Italian desert.
[00:36] <Motoko-chan> That's a huge fail IMO
[00:36] <mrselfpwn> and sybian is a different type of desert
[00:37] <gtl> rworkman, the new xf86-video-ati you submitted works
[00:37] <mrselfpwn> the after desert desert
[00:37] <rworkman> gtl: of course it does. :)
[00:37] <mrselfpwn> i like your idea antler
[00:37] <mrselfpwn> do i foresee an x-rated distro?
[00:38] <antler> mrselfpwn: heh
[00:38] <Motoko-chan> Like Lesbian?
[00:38] <antler> well, it might be one way to get more women to use linux
[00:38] <gtl> rworkman, glxgears shows a slight improvement on fps
[00:38] <mrselfpwn> lol
[00:38] <dchmelik> how about one with fbui?
[00:39] <Motoko-chan> http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/
[00:39] <Motoko-chan> Instead of apt-get, it uses porn-get
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[00:39] <fire|bird> lol
[00:39] <dchmelik> these do not sound like words of a Ch'an person.
[00:39] <Dominian> Motoko-chan surprises everyone every so often.
[00:39] <Dominian> Never under estimate her!
[00:39] <mrselfpwn> lol
[00:39] <antler> what the hell is a ch'an person?
[00:39] <mrselfpwn> get-porn
[00:39] <Motoko-chan> Huh?
[00:40] <Motoko-chan> It's just an old joke
[00:40] <antler> oh
[00:40] <Dominian> Motoko-chan: Yeah, but they don't get it
[00:40] <mrselfpwn> get-porn asap
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[00:42] <mrselfpwn> anyway
[00:42] <rworkman> I don't know who it was that pointed me to girlswithslingshots, but thanks if you're here. Awesome.
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[00:42] <mrselfpwn> i wonder if they use a simple program like aplay to make it play music at start up.
[00:42] <Motoko-chan> hm?
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[00:44] <Motoko-chan> rworkman, don't forget http://girlyyy.com/
[00:44] <Motoko-chan> Also, Head Trip: http://headtripcomics.comicgenesis.com/
[00:44] <Motoko-chan> Head Trip has a lot of snark.
[00:44] <rworkman> Motoko-chan: great.  Am I going to spend *hours* reading all the back issues of this one too?
[00:44] Action: Motoko-chan likes snark
[00:44] <mrselfpwn> lol
[00:44] <Motoko-chan> Go read over Head Trip first.
[00:45] <josefig> Camarade_Tux, man, my slackware and everything is working pretty good :D
[00:45] <gtl> if you guys enjoy Calvin & Hobbes, check this http://www.vegetus.org/vegtoon/hunt.htm
[00:45] Action: Motoko-chan follows MegaTokyo, AppleGeeks, Gunnerkrigg Court, Twokinds, and Head Trip
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[00:46] <gtl> good night all
[00:46] <mrselfpwn> night
[00:46] <fire|bird> good night gtl
[00:47] <Motoko-chan> But yeah
[00:47] <Motoko-chan> You know a strip that has the superhero duo "Emokid and Chemokid" is full of win.
[00:48] <rworkman> Nice Calvin&Hobbes.
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[00:49] <dchmelik> Motoko-chan, do yo know the Ch'an of GNU/Linux?
[00:49] <Motoko-chan> Ch'an?
[00:49] <dchmelik> Zen
[00:49] <dchmelik> sort of like 'the Zen of programming.'
[00:49] <Motoko-chan> Oh, \“
[00:50] <Motoko-chan> My suffix is from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_honorifics
[00:50] <Motoko-chan> Well, explained there.
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[00:50] Action: Motoko-chan is often at one with Linux, so she guesses
[00:50] <dchmelik> gtl: thanks for the vegetarian propoganda
[00:52] <dchmelik> Oh, I see, I did not know it meant that, Motoko-chan....
[00:54] <Motoko-chan> It is okay
[00:54] <dchmelik> I like it
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[00:56] <aceofspades19> the Zen of python :D
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[00:59] <dchmelik> What would Zen have to do with languages that enforces whitespace?  They are rather intellectual....
[01:00] <dchmelik> s/enforce
[01:00] <rk4n3> Motoko-chan: so you're a young woman having adopted the "childish affectation" of referring to yourself in the third person using "chan" ?
[01:00] <MadMoney> Whitespace is for people with new fangled computers. We call it black space.
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[01:01] <spook> uuuuurg woken uyp byu icecream truck
[01:02] <spook> hangover...
[01:02] <dchmelik> Could I say 'Ninja Science Team Gatchaman-chan?'
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[01:03] <MadMoney> By enforce white space, do you mean that that char decimal 9 (tab) is interpreted differently from char 32 (space)?
[01:04] <spook> dchmelik: super robot monkey team, hyperforce! go!
[01:04] <Motoko-chan> rk4n3, I guess you could say that
[01:04] <rk4n3> Motoko-chan: haha - I *know* I can say it, as I just did ... the question is, how accurately ?  :)
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[01:10] <juice> hi
[01:10] <Motoko-chan> Hello
[01:11] <juice> what's new?
[01:11] <Motoko-chan> Nothing much
[01:11] <juice> fun
[01:12] <Motoko-chan> Yeah
[01:12] <Motoko-chan> Busy day tomorrow probably.
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[01:15] <juice> just got home from work
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[01:15] <Motoko-chan> Ah.
[01:15] <Motoko-chan> What TZ?
[01:16] <juice> cdt
[01:16] <Motoko-chan> Late day then?
[01:16] <juice> gmt -5 3pm-11:30pm
[01:16] <juice> err
[01:16] <juice> 3pm-11:30pm
[01:17] <Motoko-chan> I'm PDT.
[01:17] <juice> ic
[01:17] <Motoko-chan> I was lucky to finish my day at 5.
[01:17] <juice> nice
[01:17] <juice> I wish I had tonight off
[01:18] <juice> the weather nice
[01:18] <juice> 79 and no humidity
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[01:21] <josefig> juice, where r u from?
[01:21] <juice> Kansas City currently on the kansas side
[01:22] <slak> sup
[01:22] <juice> from further North in MIssouri Around St Joseph
[01:22] <slak> heard texas is full of hicks
[01:24] <rk4n3> hooray for Texas ! :)
[01:24] <juice> lol
[01:24] <rk4n3> where there's hicks, there be beer !
[01:24] <josefig> nice
[01:24] <josefig> :D
[01:24] <agentc0re> TEXAS?!
[01:25] <josefig> i'm from mexico and here we are hot, actually in my place it's hot
[01:25] <agentc0re> Only steers and queers come from Texas!
[01:25] <rk4n3> agentc0re:  don't say that around any Texans - they'll show you how well-armed steers are
[01:25] <slak>  
[01:26] <agentc0re> rk4n3: pfft.
[01:26] <rk4n3> heh :)
[01:26] <agentc0re> it's like giving a monkey an arsenal.  He just wont know what to do with it.
[01:26] <agentc0re> I blame GW on all Texans.
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[01:27] <MadMoney> brb flower porn
[01:27] <rk4n3> agentc0re:  that's not fair - remember the Alamo !
[01:27] <agentc0re> I've met a lot of texans in the MC days....  man were they one of the dumbest sob's i've met.
[01:27] <MadMoney> agentc0re: lmao; agreed.
[01:28] <agentc0re> Mind you, i'm not ripping on everyone from Texas.
[01:28] <rk4n3> I think you must have strayed into Oklahoma
[01:28] <slak> texas there I'll GO!!
[01:28] <slak> go g0 g0 mariners!!!
[01:28] <agentc0re> no, it's what Texas gave the USMC...
[01:28] <juice> that's Seattle
[01:28] <agentc0re> LOL
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[01:29] <juice> slak, mariners = Seattle
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[01:29] <agentc0re> MadMoney: were you in the MC?
[01:29] <juice> rangers = Texas
[01:29] <rk4n3> agentc0re:  oh, that explains it - Oklahomans *are* what Texas gives the USMC :)
[01:30] <agentc0re> I highly doubt that rk4n3.
[01:30] <juice> umm what the ..... <MadMoney> brb flower porn
[01:30] <BP{k}> juice: perhaps in some cases .. ignorance *is* bliss.
[01:30] <slak> juice, texas = zergling
[01:30] <rk4n3> agentc0re:  sure - they just *think* they're from Texas because they're bad at geography
[01:30] <agentc0re> slak++
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[01:31] <rk4n3> agentc0re:  you're not from Oklahoma are you ?
[01:31] <rk4n3> haha
[01:31] <agentc0re> rk4n3: Oh hell no.
[01:32] <rk4n3> :)
[01:32] <slak> agentc0re, you from Vegas!
[01:32] <agentc0re> No, i'm from Utah.
[01:32] <agentc0re> No, i'm not mormon.
[01:32] <rk4n3> lol
[01:32] <slak> agentc0re, rofl
[01:32] <rk4n3> I suppose you get that question alot, eh ?
[01:33] <agentc0re> rk4n3: Geez, what makes you think that?
[01:33] <rk4n3> heh
[01:33] <agentc0re> rk4n3: I brew sin in 5Gal bottles... There's no way i could be mormon.
[01:34] <rk4n3> ah, cool - not that there'd be anything wrong with being mormon if you were...
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[01:34] <agentc0re> BP{k}: Man, too bad you're not my neighbor.  I need some help bottling 18Gallons of beer.
[01:34] <juice> agentc0re, how far from vegas are you?
[01:35] <rk4n3> juice:  you're pretty fixated on vegas, aren't you ?
[01:35] <agentc0re> slc to vegas = use google maps :P
[01:35] <juice> or is anyone here going to defcon?
[01:35] <juice> rk4n3, why do you say that?
[01:35] <rk4n3> juice:  just kidding :)
[01:35] <juice> ok
[01:35] <slak> agentc0re, fedex me 2 gallons please
[01:36] <MadMoney> fedex sucks compared to USPS
[01:36] <agentc0re> fedex me lots of moneyz, plz! :D
[01:36] <rk4n3> agentc0re:  what kind of sin are you brewing, the kind the burps or the kind that burns ?
[01:36] <agentc0re> burps.
[01:36] <rk4n3> aha
[01:36] <agentc0re> i think the kind that burns is still illegal.
[01:37] <rk4n3> yeah, too bad ...
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[01:37] <agentc0re> Ya, but it's what happens when thos mo mo's rule the state.
[01:38] <agentc0re> i've told people i'm growing my own HOPS for beer and they ask me, "Isn't that illegal!?!?!"  as if i'm growing marijuana in my back yard.
[01:38] <rk4n3> indeed
[01:39] <fire|bird> Hey rk4n3, how's it going?
[01:39] <rk4n3> fire|bird: pretty well - you ?
[01:39] <fire|bird> doing excellent, thanks.
[01:39] <agentc0re> fire|bird: do me a favor.  make sure jeev gets this link(he's ignored me) http://noobfarm.org/?id=1592
[01:39] <fire|bird> agentc0re: ok, will do.
[01:39] <fire|bird> agentc0re: What's my name again? I forgot it? :P
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[01:40] <agentc0re> fire|bird: LOL
[01:40] <rk4n3> LOL
[01:40] <agentc0re> fire|bird: SIlly, i can't believe you forgot.
[01:40] <rk4n3> awesome noobfarm
[01:40] <fire|bird> agentc0re: Got that tab completion working yet? :P
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[01:41] <agentc0re> fire|bird: no... i'll just learn to type faster like the awesome person i am :P
[01:41] <fire|bird> rk4n3: If he types it, wait'll you see what it is. :P
[01:41] <agentc0re> fire|bird|phoenix|storm|complete|fscking|pure|mega|leet|awesome   You see what i mean?
[01:41] <rk4n3> haha
[01:42] <MadMoney> brb flower porn
[01:42] <agentc0re> fbpscfpmla is your nick name.
[01:42] <fire|bird> agentc0re: You're pidgin-fu fails. :P If you were on irssi, you could set that as an alias. :)
[01:42] <fire|bird> hahaha
[01:42] <MadMoney> I have madonna-fu
[01:42] <agentc0re> fire|bird: if i were on irssi i would hang myself the next day and then non of you would have as much entertainment as when i type my words of wisdom..
[01:43] <agentc0re> s/non/none
[01:43] Action: CmdLnKid is seriously impressed
[01:43] <agentc0re> fire|bird: Are you on irrsi again?
[01:43] <fire|bird> agentc0re: I like pidgin, and it has some excellent plugins, but I hate that it won't show me the right nick when I use /nick
[01:43] <fire|bird> agentc0re: atm, yes.
[01:43] Action: agentc0re gives fire|bird his noose
[01:43] <agentc0re> CmdLnKid: why?
[01:44] <CmdLnKid> tnis is the only place where you can come to watch a guy called agentc0re & fire|bird argue
[01:44] <fire|bird> I tried this app called Quassel, it's a great program, but the logs you have to access via a python script, and it doesn't support dcc yet.
[01:44] <agentc0re> CmdLnKid: LOL
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[01:44] <fire|bird> CmdLnKid: hahahaha
[01:44] <rk4n3> CmdLnKid:  you must be new
[01:44] <fire|bird> agentc0re: I maybe should try asking in #pidgin why my nick doesn't change.
[01:44] <CmdLnKid> not reaally as new as you rk4n3
[01:44] <agentc0re> Oh snap, epic pwnage!
[01:45] <fire|bird> I mean, it changes, everyone else can see the changed nick, but I can't.
[01:45] <agentc0re> is reminded of, http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1907543
[01:45] <fire|bird> CmdLnKid: rk4n3's been around here a while.
[01:45] Action: CmdLnKid has been around long enough to help everyones mom wipe the moisture from behind their ears ;)
[01:45] <agentc0re> http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_stats2/
[01:46] Action: agentc0re checks ears for moisture
[01:46] <CmdLnKid> thats says nothin
[01:46] <fire|bird> agentc0re: yeah, I own the top spot for most nick changes. \o/
[01:46] <agentc0re> fire|bird: LOL
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[01:46] <fire|bird> agentc0re: I don't know how that happened, but, eh, it did. :)
[01:46] <agentc0re> fire|bird: seriously, have you watched that link from collegehumor?
[01:47] <fire|bird> agentc0re: does that mean I have a multiple personality disorder?
[01:47] <agentc0re> fire|bird: dude, you could be epic if you just take my nick suggestions.
[01:47] <CmdLnKid> I used to hang out here from around 97 - 98 - 99 was it
[01:48] <fire|bird> agentc0re: If I used that nick you just posted, I'd be KB'd from here for life. :P
[01:48] <CmdLnKid> I would renick my self for the cause but wigglit knows who I am ;)
[01:48] <agentc0re> kb'd?
[01:48] <slak> agentc0re, asl? :)
[01:49] <mrselfpwn>  /facepalm
[01:49] <fire|bird> not to mention, I'd get medical bills from people for carpal tunnel syndrome form typing that nick.
[01:49] <fire|bird> agentc0re: kick-banned.
[01:49] <fire|bird> kb ^^^
[01:49] <CmdLnKid> lol
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[01:49] <fire|bird> i.e. I couldn't come here no more.
[01:50] <fire|bird> and I know you all would be heart-broken
[01:50] Action: CmdLnKid goes to get some java chip starbucks to enjoy the show
[01:50] <fire|bird> lol
[01:51] <agentc0re> fire|bird: But you have yet to answer the most vital of all questions to be asked.
[01:51] <agentc0re> fire|bird: did you watch that flick from collegehumor?!?!
[01:51] <fire|bird> All who think CmdLnKid should go through the slackware initation process...say "I". :)
[01:51] <fire|bird> agentc0re: not yet Mr. Naggie. Good Grief. :P
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[01:52] <agentc0re> fire|bird|epic|newb
[01:52] <agentc0re> :P
[01:52] <fire|bird> agentc0re: you showed me that a week or two ago. :P
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[01:52] <CmdLnKid> java chip goes great to compiling OOo
[01:53] <fire|bird> bbiab
[01:53] <mrselfpwn> echo bbiab
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[01:54] <CmdLnKid> aah the power of suggestion
[01:55] <agentc0re> bbitmkthkbye
[01:55] <agentc0re> :P
[01:56] <CmdLnKid> lol
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[02:05] <fire|bird> back
[02:05] Action: fire|bird watches everyone run the other way. :)
[02:06] <fire|bird> agentc0re: what kind of nick is this: :( 00:52 <     agentc0re> fire|bird|epic|newb :P
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[02:11] <fire|bird> dchmelik: why? :)
[02:12] <dchmelik> I do not know :)
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[02:17] <Motoko-chan> hm?
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[02:18] <fire|bird> Motoko-chan: no worries, he just likes you for some reason. :P
[02:18] <dchmelik> maybe because I think Motoko-chan is helpful in the channel
[02:18] <phoenix|storm> dchmelik: That could be. :P
[02:18] <Motoko-chan> Me? Helpful?
[02:19] <dchmelik> probably
[02:19] <jeev> thumbs
[02:19] <jeev> !
[02:19] <phoenix|storm> jeev: agentc0re wanted me to make sure you got this: http://noobfarm.org/?id=1592
[02:20] <jeev> + that one
[02:20] <jeev> at least i dont lie
[02:20] <jeev> my girl is a virgin.. and i've been sexless since i've been with her
[02:20] <dchmelik> that is virtuous
[02:21] <jeev> heh
[02:21] <supergear_> good night boys and girls and suv_98
[02:21] Action: MadMoney Madonna - Like a Virgin.flac
[02:22] <dchmelik> I want to take you there
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[02:25] <MadMoney> Madonna - Like A Prayer is awesome
[02:26] <rk4n3> jeev:  unfortunately, among the most infamous of last words is "my girl is a virgin"
[02:26] <Camarade_Tux> phoenix|storm: oh, new nick :)
[02:27] <jeev> eh
[02:28] <phoenix|storm> Camarade_Tux: :)
[02:28] <phoenix|storm> Camarade_Tux: boot time is 16.55 now.
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[02:29] <phoenix|storm> greetings slava_dp
[02:29] <slava_dp> phoenix|storm, o/
[02:30] Action: phoenix|storm <-----fire|bird. I'm on irssi and pidgin at the same time, trying to figure out a pidgin issue.
[02:30] <Camarade_Tux> phoenix|storm: nice :)
[02:30] <slava_dp> phoenix|storm, thought so :)
[02:30] <phoenix|storm> slava_dp: :D
[02:30] <phoenix|storm> I like this nick though.
[02:30] <phoenix|storm> phoenix = a mythical firebird. :D
[02:30] <Camarade_Tux> hmmm, dog|rain? :D
[02:30] <phoenix|storm> haha
[02:31] <phoenix|storm> cat|furball?
[02:31] <rk4n3> storm = a hot comic book heroine
[02:31] <rk4n3> :)
[02:31] <phoenix|storm> rk4n3: :O, didn't think of that, I just like storms. :P
[02:31] <phoenix|storm> and just "phoenix" was taken already.
[02:31] <dchmelik> personally I like Wonder Woman
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[02:32] <phoenix|storm> brb, pidgin plugin pack is finished installing.
[02:32] <phoenix|storm> gosh, say that 3 times fast. :P
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[02:32] <rk4n3> haha - pidgin plugin pack
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[02:33] <phoenix|storm> alright, there we go.
[02:33] <phoenix|storm> ok, bbiab guys, gals, and Camarade_Tux
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[02:43] <lf4> Greetings all \o/
[02:43] <slava_dp> o/
[02:43] <slava_dp> \o
[02:46] Action: lf4 needs a new job. Any one willing to pay me $1 a min to do humanity a favor and stay at home? :)
[02:47] <jeev> never
[02:47] <lf4> jeev: I'm coming to your house first then. :P
[02:47] <lf4> haha
[02:47] <jeev> unless if your name is Vanessa Large-Breasts and you want to blow something
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[02:47] <jeev> then no
[02:48] <Camarade_Tux> hmmm.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_1qf4hGzvU ...
[02:48] <Camarade_Tux> sounds weird
[02:49] Action: lf4 sends a mail oder to jeev, *requests* Olga with Large-everything and will squash people like bugs.
[02:49] <lf4> s/oder/order/
[02:49] <Camarade_Tux> large feet?
[02:49] <lf4> Yes Camarade_Tux large feet are a must for squashing things for the most part.
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[02:51] <antiwire> just got back from the Dodger game
[02:51] <antiwire> they lost...but there are -current updates so it's *aaalllll* good
[02:52] <lf4> haha nice
[02:52] <Camarade_Tux> currently -current updates so fast my mirror lags behind :)
[02:53] <antiwire> I'm currently currentizing my current current tree
[02:54] <Camarade_Tux> I'm currently waiting for my "local" norwegian mirror to pick up latest current changes
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[02:54] <lf4> I just got swept away by the current.
[02:54] <antiwire> brb x updates..and lots of
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[02:56] <lf4> Whats the command to generate modelines again for the xorg.conf?
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[02:57] <dchmelik> what are modelines?
[02:57] <slava_dp> :-)
[02:57] <slava_dp> last time i did modelines was on slackware 10.2
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[02:58] <dchmelik> Will everything that I put in rc.d start at startup?
[02:58] <dchmelik> like if I make /etc/rc.d/rc.boinc for example?
[02:58] <slava_dp> dchmelik, specify it in rc.local and it will start.
[02:58] <tank-man> Does someone know how to use "find" with the "-regex" option? Do I put the regular expression in double quotes?
[02:58] <dchmelik> well I had to make a script to start it... it is kind of complicated
[02:58] <lf4> slava_dp: I've been having issues with my resolution for the longest time. Haha Nothing seems to get it to my 1680x1050
[02:59] <dchmelik> but I think it should start just because it is an /etc/rc.d script
[02:59] <slava_dp> dchmelik, not in slack
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[02:59] <tank-man> example command Im trying to run. find /sbin -maxdepth 1 -type f -regex "d$"
[02:59] <slava_dp> dchmelik, specify it in rc.local and it will start.
[02:59] <dchmelik> ok, I already had it there
[03:00] <dchmelik> I just thought it was unnecessary.  Apparently it is necessary.
[03:00] <slava_dp> dchmelik, like if [ -x /etc/rc.d/rc.powernowd ]; then /etc/rc.d/rc.powernowd start; fi
[03:00] <slava_dp> dchmelik, that way if you remove the executable bit from the real rc. script it won't be started.
[03:03] <Camarade_Tux> wow, a friend of mine just told me he saw Harry Potter and that it was sometimes really scary...
[03:04] <Camarade_Tux> he's not a girly btw
[03:04] <Camarade_Tux> well, at least that's what I thought...
[03:04] Action: slava_dp will be watching harry potter tonight =)
[03:05] <dchmelik> slava_dp: I assume your piece of shell code is in another /etc/rc.d script....
[03:05] <slava_dp> on the large screen, w/ lots of popcorn and chips :-)
[03:05] <slava_dp> dchmelik, this piece of code goes into /etc/rc.d/rc.local
[03:05] <slava_dp> dchmelik, just change powernowd to boinc
[03:05] <dchmelik> that is a good idea
[03:06] <dchmelik> then I one need not change rc.local so much
[03:06] <slava_dp> dchmelik, that's how it's done. read rc.M for instance, when you have the time.
[03:07] <dchmelik> I have looked through it before.  So '-x' works as a condition, eh....
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[03:08] <lf4> Camarade_Tux: lol really? Thats interesting I might be seeing it this weekend. :)
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[03:08] Action: Camarade_Tux wonders what happened to the true real men :o 
[03:08] <juice> grrr
[03:08] <juice> mono
[03:09] <slava_dp> let's all earn Mrs. Rowling even more money! =]
[03:09] <Camarade_Tux> juice <- true real men
[03:09] <dchmelik> how many gigaflops does your system have?
[03:09] <juice> why do the error I get never return google results
[03:09] <juice> neh
[03:09] Action: Camarade_Tux listens to a song title "She Loves Me Not"
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[03:09] <Camarade_Tux> real men really have disappeared, we're all girlies now
[03:10] Action: slava_dp 's current track is "hide and seek with cary nage" by mechanical poet
[03:10] <phoenix|storm> juice: because your error is one of a kind. :P
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[03:10] <juice> http://pastebin.com/m203ee88
[03:10] <juice> trying to compile gtksourceview-sharp
[03:10] <phoenix|storm> anyone else here ever heard Hail The Villain? EXCELLENT band.
[03:11] <Camarade_Tux> he, She Loves Me Not is by Faith No More, but that suddenly makes it really less girly ;)
[03:11] <phoenix|storm> haha
[03:11] <Camarade_Tux> juice: you're hurting yourself with #
[03:11] <Camarade_Tux> phoenix|storm: eviljames is that you?
[03:12] <dchmelik> phoenix|storm: Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin, Pachelbel are great
[03:12] <phoenix|storm> Camarade_Tux: haha, nope, this is fire|bird, but eviljames is who got me hooked on that band by linking me too it.
[03:12] <phoenix|storm> s/too/to/
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[03:12] <antiwire> ...
[03:12] <Camarade_Tux> phoenix|storm / eviljames : make me listen to it tonight ;)
[03:12] <Camarade_Tux> ah, war pigs :)
[03:13] <phoenix|storm> Camarade_Tux: good, you should listen to it. :)
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[03:13] <antiwire> kde tool bar icons don't display but the space where they should be is allocated
[03:13] <dchmelik> KDE4 I bet
[03:13] <antiwire> i can even right click there and the corresponding menus pop up..but not icons..
[03:13] <lf4> so fire|bird / phoenix|storm any linke to Xmen because of the name?
[03:13] <aperturefever> greetings ppl
[03:14] <phoenix|storm> greetings aperturefever
[03:14] <lf4> hello aperturefever
[03:14] <slava_dp> antiwire, killall plasma && sleep 5 && plasma
[03:14] <phoenix|storm> lf4: no, phoenix = a mythical bird (a firebird), and, I like storms, and just "phoenix" was taken.
[03:14] <antiwire> slava_dp: I even rebooted...
[03:15] <Camarade_Tux> firefox, fuck you, I know I updated to .1, I don't need you to tell me that, I don't need you to remind me how crappy you are!
[03:15] <slava_dp> antiwire, :) most of the time it's sufficient to restart plasma.
[03:15] <rk4n3> Camarade_Tux: isn't "She Loves Me Not" by Papa Roach ?
[03:15] <lf4> phoenix|storm: makes sense. :)
[03:15] <ccfreak2k> phoenix-storms is a set of regularly-sized props for Garry's Mod.
[03:15] <antiwire> didn't fix anything
[03:15] <antiwire> well this is pretty much unusable
[03:15] <slava_dp> antiwire, is that after the latest update bunch?
[03:15] <lf4> Garry's Mod isn't that a gaming modification setup?
[03:15] <antiwire> slava_dp: yep
[03:15] <Camarade_Tux> rk4n3: well, bbl :)
[03:15] <ccfreak2k> lf4, err...I guess.
[03:18] <antiwire> he tools are there and running and if I hover over the blank space their tooltips and menus work but the icons don't display
[03:19] <antiwire> he/the
[03:19] <slava_dp> antiwire, might be video driver's fault. is it intel?
[03:19] <antiwire> nope
[03:20] <antiwire> nvidia prop. and I re built the driver already
[03:20] <antiwire> I bet something in KDE needs to be recompiled after these X updaes
[03:20] <MadMoney> Madonna - Like A Prayer is awesome
[03:20] <MadMoney> err, Virgin
[03:20] <slava_dp> antiwire, file a Patreport then :-)
[03:21] <MadMoney> Do you guys use an initrd?
[03:21] <aperturefever> for some extraplanar reason i m pretty sure that with the new mesa/intel drv i will be able to play civ4 :P \o/
[03:21] <antiwire> I use and initrd
[03:21] <dchmelik> I bet the KDE team needs to recompile the whole thing
[03:21] <slava_dp> MadMoney, i do
[03:21] <phoenix|storm> antiwire: fwiw, I'm on kde4, have the latest updates, nvidia prop driver, and no issue like that. You have a different drive than me though.
[03:22] <antiwire> I'm going do rm all of my kde files
[03:22] <antiwire> brb
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[03:23] <dchmelik> but it will not work to rm the kde4 files if you want to replace it with kde3!
[03:23] <slava_dp> dchmelik, he meant .kde
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[03:24] <phoenix|storm> dchmelik: 1) he left. 2) he just meant ~/.kde and 3) He runs -current, I don't he's going to go back to kde3. :)
[03:26] <phoenix|storm> slava_dp: so, how are you doing?
[03:26] <dchmelik> I meant .kde*.  I was running current with kde3
[03:27] <slava_dp> dchmelik, orly? must have been a dated -current :)
[03:27] <dchmelik> no
[03:27] <dchmelik> I reinstalled it without kde4
[03:27] <phoenix|storm> and it worked well?
[03:27] <dchmelik> yes, and that is what I will probably do for 13.0 unless it improves
[03:28] <dchmelik> I mean unless kde4 improves
[03:28] <phoenix|storm> I personally <3 kde4. :)
[03:28] <phoenix|storm> argh, that failed.
[03:28] Action: slava_dp <3's kde4 too.
[03:28] <dchmelik> I prefer windows 3.1
[03:28] <phoenix|storm> slava_dp: ++ that's what I tried to type that, but I have a pidgin plugin enabled that ignores "<"
[03:29] <slava_dp> phoenix|storm, all is well here, thanks. working on a shell script atm.
[03:29] <slava_dp> phoenix|storm, double fail. you have actually typed <3 :-D
[03:29] <phoenix|storm> Ah, there, got that plugin disabled.
[03:29] <dive> phoenix|storm, it showed properly this end
[03:29] <phoenix|storm> really?
[03:29] <slava_dp> yep
[03:29] <phoenix|storm> ah for crying out loud. :P
[03:29] <dive>  phoenix|stor> I personally <3 kde4. :)
[03:30] <phoenix|storm> I disabled that plugin now. It was one where you can type html and so it ignored the <  here.
[03:30] <phoenix|storm> haha, alright.
[03:30] <slava_dp> pidgin seems not to be the best irc client.
[03:30] <phoenix|storm> dive: how's it going?
[03:30] <dive> hangover :(
[03:30] <phoenix|storm> slava_dp: how so? I like it. Usually use irssi, but pidgin isn't bad by any means, imo.
[03:31] <phoenix|storm> dive: :O, party?
[03:31] <dive> nah just felt like a drink last night
[03:31] <dive> a few cans of Abbott Ale
[03:31] <phoenix|storm> \o/ opera got rid of the horrible red error page: http://imagebin.org/56207
[03:31] <dive> cheap and strong
[03:31] <dive> like my women
[03:31] <phoenix|storm> haha
[03:31] <dchmelik> If Slackware is going to switch to a not good kde4 maybe I will run WINE for windont 3.1 just to have something better
[03:32] Action: phoenix|storm hands dive some coffee.
[03:32] <dive> thanks
[03:32] <phoenix|storm> dchmelik: are you really serious? :O
[03:32] <nix_chix0r> sup
[03:32] <dive> gonna make some I think
[03:32] <phoenix|storm> y0 nix_chix0r, how are you?
[03:32] <dchmelik> phoenix|storm: not about running, but serious about my opinion
[03:32] <dchmelik> I mean not about running it
[03:32] <nix_chix0r> not bad
[03:33] <dive> phoenix|storm = fire|bird?
[03:33] <phoenix|storm> dive: yup, sure does.
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[03:33] <dive> ah
[03:33] <phoenix|storm> dive: I was on irssi and pidgin at the same time, can't use the same nick. :P
[03:33] <nix_chix0r> phoenix|storm, what about you
[03:33] <phoenix|storm> nix_chix0r: doing excellent, thanks. I got my boot time down to 16.55s, \o/
[03:34] Action: slava_dp beats dchmelik with a long sausage. use xfce.
[03:34] <dive> my boot still isn't very good - I think the kernel part is quite fast but the services make it realy slow
[03:34] <nix_chix0r> does boot time just matter
[03:34] <phoenix|storm> dive: yeah, it takes some time to get it fast.
[03:34] Action: dive beats slava_dp with his opinion pole. Use fluxbox
[03:34] <phoenix|storm> nix_chix0r: when you boot each day, it sort of does, yes. :)
[03:34] <dive> nix_chix0r, not really, since I always hibernate anyway
[03:35] <nix_chix0r> i'm not even sure the boot time for my computers
[03:35] <nix_chix0r> i boot and walk away if they are off which is hardly ever
[03:35] <phoenix|storm> dive: I'm loving that flux style you made, that turned out great.
[03:35] <dive> thanks
[03:35] <nix_chix0r> dive, what did you do
[03:35] <nix_chix0r> :)
[03:35] <nix_chix0r> putting flux on the other laptop
[03:36] <phoenix|storm> nix_chix0r: you're putting flux on a laptop?
[03:36] <dive> nix_chix0r, turned off a lot of stuff like bluetooth, irda, used some kernel options like fastboot=1, vga=normal
[03:36] <nix_chix0r> ah ok
[03:36] <phoenix|storm> dive: did vga=normal make a big difference?
[03:36] <dive> but I will probably go back and use radeonfb
[03:36] <phoenix|storm> It sure did here.
[03:37] <dive> phoenix|storm, dunno I need to recompile radeonfb in and test again when I get the time
[03:37] <phoenix|storm> I'm just glad boot is down to 16.55 from in the 40s range.
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[03:37] <nix_chix0r> phoenix|storm, yeah i like it
[03:37] <dive> it didn't seem to make much diff...
[03:37] <phoenix|storm> dive: ah, cool.
[03:37] <dive> phoenix|storm, mine is 45 secs :(
[03:38] <phoenix|storm> nix_chix0r: you like flux? \o/
[03:38] <dive> from lilo to loging prompt
[03:38] <phoenix|storm> dive: ouch, that is about what mine was.
[03:38] <phoenix|storm> 48s
[03:38] <phoenix|storm> Kernel has a lot to do with it too.
[03:38] <nix_chix0r> phoenix|storm, i couldn't think of anything less minimal than that i would want to use. so i bounce between flux and xfce
[03:38] <dive> but pcmcia service and rc.inet1 takes a while
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[03:39] <dive> phoenix|storm, I went through kernel again and trimmed down the network device optiond
[03:39] <dive> s/d/s
[03:39] <dive> I can't get it much trimmer
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[03:39] <phoenix|storm> argh, anyone know what the saitek eclipse keyboard, shell shocker of the day on newegg was going for? price? I missed it. ARGH.
[03:40] <phoenix|storm> dive: yeah, it just gets to a point where you can't trim anymore without losing stuff you need.
[03:40] <dive> phoenix|storm, what speed cpu do you have?
[03:40] <phoenix|storm> P4 3.2GHz
[03:40] <phoenix|storm> My other pc, windows box, seems faster though.
[03:41] <dive> 1.8ghz pentium m here
[03:41] <phoenix|storm> that is a P4 2.4
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[03:42] <dive> by the way I've updated my diversity irssi theme
[03:42] <dive> message spacing _should_ be all correct now
[03:42] <dive> http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/irssi
[03:42] <phoenix|storm> ok
[03:43] <dive> and I've made activity colors bright green for text instead of red and it looks better (imo)
[03:43] <phoenix|storm> whoa, opera has made those pages nicer too. Pages, like yours you just linked, it lists things nicer now.
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[03:45] <fire|bird> Ok, I've downloaded and set the updated diversity. :)
[03:46] <dive> ok
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[03:46] <fire|bird> Hmm, what colors did you change?
[03:46] <dive> only the activity markers
[03:46] <dive> use to be green and red, now it's green and bright green
[03:47] <dive> fits better I think
[03:47] <fire|bird> Ah, yeah, ok. :) looks nice. :)
[03:47] <dive> most of the changes were to do with spacing
[03:48] <dive> I think all spacing/indent is correct now, but hard to test on some things
[03:48] Action: dchmelik wants graphical windows in irssi
[03:48] <dchmelik> or even menus but not graphical
[03:48] <fire|bird> dchmelik: why?
[03:48] <dive> had to wait for a netsplit :D
[03:48] <phoenix|storm> lol
[03:48] <dive> menus?
[03:48] <phoenix|storm> sometimes there's quite a few of those. :)
[03:48] <slak> whats the right decision, once i found a vulnerability on  a website?
[03:48] <dchmelik> fire|bird: irssi would be better that way
[03:49] <phoenix|storm> dchmelik: eh, I think it's fine how it is.
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[03:49] <dive> slak, contact the webmaster perhaps
[03:49] <dchmelik> phoenix|storm: what if you were on 5 servers and 10 channels?
[03:49] <dchmelik> it could get out of hand
[03:50] <phoenix|storm> dchmelik: I'm a Slacker, I'd manage. :P
[03:50] <nix_chix0r> i apparently get distracted very easily
[03:50] <dive> dchmelik, I'm on 2 servers, 13 channels
[03:50] <dive> I cope
[03:50] <phoenix|storm> nix_chix0r: really, that happen a lot?
[03:50] <nix_chix0r> yeah i'm on 4 servers
[03:50] <nix_chix0r> but also watching weeds
[03:50] <dive> get advanced window list script perhaps
[03:51] <nix_chix0r> and indulging in the green heh
[03:52] <dchmelik> but are you guys (and lady) in that many channels in irssi?  I used to do it and it got difficult
[03:52] <dchmelik> something messed up
[03:53] <nix_chix0r> i tried on irssi but i can't be messing with that i'm way too lazy
[03:53] <dive> dchmelik, with advanced winow list script it makes it much easier to keep track visually
[03:55] <lf4> haha is everyone talking about irc clients?
[03:55] <phoenix|storm> dive: indeed it does.
[03:55] <phoenix|storm> lf4: yeah
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[03:55] <lf4> mirc! MIRC! :P haha
[03:55] <phoenix|storm> lf4: c,ch,s (client, # of channels, # of servers) :)
[03:56] <phoenix|storm> mIRC. WHAT?!?
[03:56] Action: lf4 irssi, 5 servers, channels vary with server... from 2-7
[03:56] <lf4> haha phoenix|storm I just had to say mIRC ;)
[03:57] <phoenix|storm> I'm only ever on freenode. :)
[03:57] <phoenix|storm> lf4: haha, well, you did. :D
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[03:57] <phoenix|storm> lf4: feel better now?
[03:57] <lf4> freenode is the only one that I actually support though. :)
[03:57] <lf4> phoenix|storm: yes i do. :D did I give you a heartattack?
[03:58] <phoenix|storm> lf4: I think I may have missed a good deal on a Saitek Eclipse Keyboard on Newegg. :(
[03:58] <phoenix|storm> lf4: yeah, but just a mini one.
[03:58] <phoenix|storm> it's all good.
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[04:00] <lf4> phoenix|storm: lol I have a Saitek Eclipse it was alright not really my fav keyboard. how come you wanted one?
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[04:01] <phoenix|storm> lf4: I just did. I'd like a lighted one. Newegg seems to have had one as their ShellShocker, but it's already sold out, therefore it doesn't show what the price was.
[04:02] <lf4> Oh yeah how it has the LED's under the keys? I didn't like how its auto full and then you have to press the button to dim and then turn off the lights.
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[04:03] <phoenix|storm> lf4: yeah. I'm guessing beings it was a shellshocker, it was a fairly decent price.
[04:05] <phoenix|storm> lf4: check this out: http://www.wunderground.com/wximage/viewsingleimage.html?mode=singleimage&handle=Jakeof&number=1800&thumbstart=1&gallery=CURRWEATHER
[04:05] <lf4> Yeah that is true. I've held myself back from buying somethings with those deals lol
[04:06] <lf4> wow phoenix|storm that pictures is cool what settings did you have on your camera or were the clouds like that?
[04:06] <dive> thats a nice pic
[04:07] <phoenix|storm> lf4: not mine. I wish it was. That was taken in the UK.
[04:07] <dive> it says under it - 30 sec exp
[04:07] <dive> yeah we had big storm last night
[04:07] <lf4> haha yeah I just noticed the location :)
[04:07] <dchmelik> want to know a puzzle?
[04:07] <phoenix|storm> that is an AMAZING pic.
[04:07] <dive> that's quite close to where I live
[04:08] <phoenix|storm> dive: did the sky look like that where you're at?
[04:08] <dive> no
[04:09] <dive> dchmelik, go on
[04:09] <dchmelik> SATOR AREPO TENET OPERA ROTAS
[04:09] <dchmelik> it is a magic square
[04:09] <dive> yes
[04:10] <dchmelik> so you are familiar with it?
[04:10] <dive> only number squares really
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[04:11] <dchmelik> well the one I said is in the order of line 1, 2, 3 ... and it is in Latin
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[04:12] <dive> with numbers the totals for rows, columns and diaganols all total the same
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[04:13] <phoenix|storm> lf4: http://www.flickr.com/photos/kinoshaman/3710962314/sizes/l/ <---not mine.
[04:15] <phoenix|storm> Well, time to get going. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening} everyone. Take care.
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[04:16] <dive> cya
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[04:16] <lf4> night phoenix|storm
[04:16] <phoenix|storm> see ya dive
[04:16] <phoenix|storm> later lf4
[04:16] <phoenix|storm> take care guys.
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[04:17] <nix_chix0r> celexa kicking in gogo
[04:18] <dchmelik> is that not some type of amphetamine?
[04:18] <nix_chix0r> anti depressent
[04:18] <dchmelik> but many antidepressants are amphetamines
[04:18] <dchmelik> believe it or not
[04:19] <nix_chix0r> beats me
[04:19] <nix_chix0r> what ever works i'm willing to be a guinee pig
[04:19] <nix_chix0r> rather not have a mental break down and shake the baby
[04:20] <nix_chix0r> bbq on a spit later
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[04:48] <Zordrak> woo for ff3.5.1
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[04:55] <juice> :)
[05:01] <Camarade_Tux> alienBOB: in your vlc slackbuild, you write "Note: I _strongly_ suggest you compile ffmpeg statically!", why is that?
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[05:05] <Camarade_Tux> (btw, if you have an updated version of this slackbuild for slackware64-current, I'll be happy to test it :) )
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[05:29] <slava_dp> how do i automerge .new files after i install slackware patches? non-interactively, i.e. without slackpkg.
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[05:35] <slava_dp> will something like this do it?  find / -name "*.new" -exec mv -- "{}" "${f%.new}"
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[05:45] <spook> Camarade_Tux: stuff gets ugly.
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[05:49] <tank-man> slava_dp, maybe this
[05:49] <tank-man> find / -name "*.new" -exec BASENAME=`basename {} .new` mv {} $BASENAME \;
[05:49] <tank-man> I didnt try it :)
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[05:50] <Camarade_Tux> spook: ugly as "everything breaks" or ugly as bad picture quality?
[05:51] <spook> Camarade_Tux: not everything, but some things can.
[05:51] <Camarade_Tux> ok, thanks :)
[05:51] <spook> one of the games in kde, in slackware64-current always crashes.  worth reporting upstream to kde?
[05:53] <MoZes> spook: try rebuilding it first from the slackbuild
[05:53] <MoZes> see if a rebuild fixes it; if it does report it to Slackware so it gets a rebuild
[05:53] <spook> MoZes: its in kde(something)
[05:53] <spook> like hell i'm going to rebuild THAT.
[05:53] <MoZes> yes
[05:53] <juice> lol
[05:53] <MoZes> slackware-current/source/kde/kdegames/
[05:53] <MoZes> ./kdegames.SlackBuild
[05:53] <MoZes> you rebuild only games
[05:54] <MoZes> then upgradepkg --reinstall /tmp/kdegames*t?z
[05:54] <spook> oh alright
[05:54] <MoZes> well, slackware64-current
[05:56] <Camarade_Tux> you can also ask if people here can reproduce it
[05:57] <Camarade_Tux> spook: btw, don't strip the binaries in the package when making the slackbuild, gdb could be useful there
[05:57] <spook> Camarade_Tux: yeah will do
[05:59] <alienBOB> Camarade_Tux: most of the issues that people report with VLC is on other distros where ffmpeg is installed on the system as shared libraries. When ffmpeg gets upgraded the probability is high that it breaks VLC completely
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[05:59] <Camarade_Tux> ok, I see, thanks :)
[06:00] <spook> Camarade_Tux: i can just straight comment out the strip lines right?
[06:00] <alienBOB> With a statically linked ffmpeg as part of VLC you at least know that it will keep working regardless of system changes
[06:01] <alienBOB> Camarade_Tux: what updated SlackBuild for -current were you referring to?
[06:01] <alienBOB> My vlc.SlackBuild is as current as it gets
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[06:01] <pri4pus> Hello!
[06:01] <Zordrak> # It's close to midnight, and something evil's lurking in the dark
[06:02] <Zordrak> Shit.. was i singing out loud
[06:02] <Camarade_Tux> alienBOB: it compiles liboil and libtheora afaict and these are available in l/ now
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[06:03] <spook> what on earth is this scanning for dependencies junk?
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[06:03] <Zordrak> spook: whar?
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[06:04] <spook> what i assume is ./configure for kdegames   with colour!
[06:04] <Zordrak> cmake..
[06:04] <Zordrak> configures *have* to check their dependencies... its kinda their job
[06:05] Action: spook has avoided compiling k{anything} until now
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[06:05] <Zordrak> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cmake ;)
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[06:06] <Zordrak> to be fair i hadnt come across it until i started recompiling amarok
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[06:07] <Camarade_Tux> took me five tries to type correctly my root password :)
[06:07] <spook> lol
[06:08] <Zordrak> Camarade_Tux: ure doing it right :)
[06:08] <Camarade_Tux>  :)
[06:08] <Zordrak> Camarade_Tux just made my green-list
[06:08] <Zordrak> also belatedly added spook
[06:08] <alienBOB> Camarade_Tux: I have stopped building for Slackware 12.2 so in theory I could stop adding liboil. But, when you look at Slackware 12.2, that includes an older version of liboil that is incompatible with the schroedinger I include in VLC. So, I will probably keep including liboil
[06:09] <spook> Zordrak: what?
[06:09] <chopp> wu_nickcolor ftw
[06:09] <Zordrak> i have wu-nickcolor.pl red tagging morons and green tagging people i know wont be defecating through their facial orifices
[06:10] <Camarade_Tux> alienBOB: right, that would be annoying
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[06:10] <Camarade_Tux> libtheora... iirc they compile with -O40 :)
[06:11] <slava_dp> Zordrak, that
[06:11] <slava_dp> that's harsh
[06:11] <Zordrak> slava_dp: hey.. i added you with spook just now.. so..
[06:11] <Zordrak> ;)
[06:11] <spook> its my kind of harsh, so i'm going to do it too
[06:12] <Zordrak> tee hee
[06:12] <slava_dp> Zordrak, that's relieving :)
[06:13] <Zordrak> just makes life a lot easier if you red tag the trolls and idiots so when they come back.. you dont forget and start treating them like normal human beings for a while... until you remember
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[06:15] <brixton-> haha
[06:15] <brixton-> which irc client are you guys using?
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[06:16] Action: Zordrak red-tags brixton- :)
[06:16] <brixton-> har :-)
[06:16] <Zordrak> brixton-: irssi of course :)
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[06:16] <Zordrak> are you suggesting there are *others*..
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[06:16] <Zordrak> brixton: are you suggesting there are *others*..
[06:17] <brixton> Well.. hmm :-)
[06:17] <brixton> mIRC using wine of course!
[06:17] Action: Zordrak flays brixton with molten rock cat'o'nine tails
[06:18] <brixton> lol
[06:18] <brixton> That's definitely a red tag moment
[06:19] <Zordrak> red-tagging isnt a momentary thing... its a character judgement thing...
[06:19] <Zordrak> brixton: so far you're still untagged :)
[06:19] <brixton> But you flayed me..
[06:19] <Zordrak> you swore... expect to be flayed :)
[06:20] <brixton> I quite like this channel
[06:20] Action: Camarade_Tux notices brixton's hostname : ircnoob.com
[06:20] <spook> haha
[06:20] <brixton> :-)
[06:20] <slava_dp> heheh
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[06:21] <brixton> I'm opped in (5/23) channels on (5) networks. I have the power over (509/1625) users.
[06:21] <Zordrak> brixton: i thought you were kidding
[06:21] <brixton> Kidding about liking the channel?
[06:21] <spook> about using mirc
[06:21] <Zordrak> brixton: about the M word
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[06:21] <brixton> Oh.. nope, not on this machine
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[06:22] <Zordrak> your version reply disagrees
[06:22] <Zordrak> ohno.. i got you
[06:22] <Zordrak> still
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[06:22] <mrselfpwn> ping Urchlay
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[06:22] <Zordrak> im off for a shower... i communicated through mIRC *shudder*
[06:22] <brixton> Hahaha
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[06:22] <brixton> Do you feel dirty? :-)
[06:22] <fredoslack> hello, what's the best way for upgrating slackware please ?
[06:23] <fredoslack> swaret ? :s
[06:23] <brixton> slackpkg
[06:23] <Camarade_Tux> fredoslack: slackpkg is nice :)
[06:23] <spook> fredoslack: what version to what version
[06:23] <spook> fredoslack: dont sware.
[06:23] <Camarade_Tux> fredoslack: between which and which version?
[06:23] <fredoslack> spook, current to current ;)
[06:23] <slava_dp> fredoslack, slackpkg
[06:23] <spook> fredoslack: slackpkg.
[06:23] <fredoslack> ok thanks !!
[06:23] <Camarade_Tux> bah spook and brixton have both beaten me ='(
[06:23] <spook> fredoslack: use slackpkg update, then slackpkg upgrade-all
[06:24] <Zordrak> OR... just upgradepkg */*
[06:24] <fredoslack> ok thanks very much
[06:24] <spook> Zordrak: how do i apply/load changes to my saved_colors?
[06:24] <slava_dp> Zordrak, and then you have to merge .new files by hand which is not so convenient.
[06:24] <Zordrak> script relaod
[06:25] <Zordrak> slava_dp: you can follow with slackpkg new-configs (or whatever the param is)
[06:25] <slava_dp> yep it's new-config
[06:25] <fredoslack> because i will install the last iso tonight
[06:25] <fredoslack> and there are many updates since this iso
[06:25] <slava_dp> there is no iso =)
[06:25] <spook> Zordrak: theres no reload :(
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[06:26] <chopp> spook: wu_nickcolor
[06:26] <fredoslack> slava_dp,  there are current iso on ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current-iso/
[06:26] <brixton> Anyone know if there is any major difference between Wine and CrossOver?
[06:26] <Zordrak> brixton: huge
[06:26] <fredoslack> a new iso every week :}
[06:26] <slava_dp> fredoslack, non-official
[06:26] <Zordrak> spook: i unload/load
[06:26] <spook> Zordrak: oh.
[06:26] <brixton> Ok Zordrak, you used Xover then? Much better?
[06:27] <slava_dp> fredoslack, but i've used that iso successfully last year. ymmv :)
[06:27] <Zordrak> brixton: nope.. the trial didnt work at all.. so i escaped
[06:27] <brixton> Oh right, so it's a big (bad) difference
[06:28] <Zordrak> point was they are in principal very different ntities
[06:28] <Zordrak> i use wine or virtualbox depending upon needs and compatibility
[06:28] <brixton> Yes I am thinking the virtualbox route.. shame my laptop has such bad spec
[06:28] <spook> qemu.
[06:29] <Zordrak> i really need to find the time to look at qemu
[06:29] <brixton> I still think my old girl will struggle with any type of virtualisation
[06:29] <spook> its really easy to setup and use.
[06:29] <Zordrak> it has the bob seal of approval so must be at least worth a look
[06:29] <fredoslack> is slackware 64 really better than 32 ?
[06:29] <brixton> Right, I am off to London.. to see the queen
[06:29] <Zordrak> but i really do like virtualbox atm... although v3 is starting to put me off a leetle
[06:29] <brixton> Later chaps
[06:30] <Zordrak> fredoslack: fail
[06:30] <alienBOB> Define 'better' fredoslack
[06:30] <fredoslack> Zordrak,  the 31 bits is as better then
[06:30] <fredoslack> 32 *
[06:30] <Zordrak> >.<
[06:30] <fredoslack> faster, etc
[06:30] <alienBOB> Depends on your hardware of course
[06:30] <spook> qemu-img create disk.img -f qcow2 20G;   qemu disk.img -cdrom xp32.img -vnc :0
[06:30] <fredoslack> ok
[06:31] <fredoslack> i on't have a very good hardware :(
[06:31] <spook> Zordrak: once you figure out the switches its easy
[06:31] <fredoslack> +d
[06:31] <alienBOB> But yes, faster on modern 64bit hardware for CPU intensive applications
[06:32] <fredoslack> ok :)
[06:32] <Camarade_Tux> 64bit is great for "multimedia", much much faster :)
[06:32] <Zordrak> echo "alias rtm='echo \"red tag moment\"'" >> ~/.bash_profile; source ~/.bash_profile;rtm
[06:32] <fredoslack> Camarade_Tux,  and flashplayer is best with 32 or 64 bits  ?
[06:33] <fredoslack> because i ofen watch video on the web
[06:33] <fredoslack> offen * sorry
[06:33] <alienBOB> Often
[06:33] <fredoslack> often * thank
[06:33] <spook> with firefox 3.5 supporting the media thingy, the days of flash video are coming to an end.
[06:33] <chopp> alienBOB: anyone ever comment on the lilo boot image? :P
[06:34] <Camarade_Tux> I'd say flash sucks no matter what you're running ;p
[06:34] <spook> oh about the linux being replaced by 01 00 00 00
[06:34] <Zordrak> spook: wuh?
[06:34] <spook> Zordrak: to which?
[06:34] <chopp> I still want the shirt damnit
[06:34] <alienBOB> chopp: in what way? Did you like my 64bit image?
[06:34] <Zordrak> spook: they were different?
[06:34] <spook> alienBOB: i was wondering about that
[06:34] <fredoslack> 45 per cent of dl :p
[06:35] <spook> Zordrak: what were?
[06:35] <fredoslack> tonight i install 32 bits current slack yaouh :p
[06:35] <Camarade_Tux> spook: although video support will be annoying wrt. codecs: ogg/theora, h264, something else?
[06:35] <slava_dp> fredoslack, you've a fast line
[06:35] <fredoslack> slackboy,  i have 8 Mo
[06:35] <chopp> alienBOB: well you got all excited there one day because I said it was nice. Nobody else had mentioned it.
[06:35] <fredoslack> slava_dp,  i have 8 Mo *
[06:35] <slava_dp> tab fail :D
[06:35] <fredoslack> lol
[06:35] <Zordrak> too--much--colour
[06:35] <alienBOB> fredoslack: I know that firefox/flashplayer on Slackware64 works ten times faster with http://aftertheimpact.com/ than firefox/flashplayer on 32bit Vista ;-)
[06:35] <spook> Camarade_Tux: using proper streaming codecs?
[06:36] <alienBOB> chopp: no one else ever commented
[06:36] <fredoslack> slava_dp,  i have internet with phone line
[06:36] <spook> Zordrak: colour overload?
[06:36] <fredoslack> in france
[06:36] <Zordrak> spook: thorough
[06:36] <fredoslack> ok alienBOB  :)
[06:36] <spook> the game still crashed.
[06:37] <spook> but backtrace this time
[06:37] <Zordrak> red/white/yellow/green/grey -- all alterating
[06:37] <spook> http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/Au0rsO52.html
[06:38] <spook> my backtrace-fu is weak
[06:38] <Zordrak> Qtfail?
[06:38] <Zordrak> no.. perhaps not actually
[06:39] <fredoslack> is there an equivalent for flashplayer ?
[06:39] <Camarade_Tux> spook: the reason flash is so popular for videos is compatibility (flash being available on >98% of computers) but for <video>, it will take years before most browsers support it and then, there are the issues with codecs : h264 is great (seriously, it's unbelievable) but is unusable in the US, theora has lower quality, and that and that and tht
[06:39] <fredoslack> faster
[06:40] <fredoslack> and really free :p
[06:40] <spook> Camarade_Tux: in the US? what?
[06:40] <alisonken1noc> spook: h264 has patent encumberances
[06:40] <Camarade_Tux> spook: software patents
[06:41] <fredoslack> h264 is flash' equivalent ?
[06:41] <Camarade_Tux> spook: which game is it? why is xine mentionned?
[06:41] <fredoslack> is h264 flash ' equivalent ?
[06:41] <fredoslack> hou my poor english :(
[06:41] <alisonken1noc> no - h264 is video like dvd equivalent
[06:41] <Camarade_Tux> fredoslack: h264 is closer to HD ;)
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[06:41] <spook> Camarade_Tux: KsirK.  its the Risk clone
[06:41] <fredoslack> ok
[06:42] <Camarade_Tux> spook: "/usr/lib64/libxine.so.1
[06:42] <Camarade_Tux> " is really weird (and sorry for the \n-fail)
[06:44] <fredoslack> good day, i'me going to work
[06:44] <fredoslack> bye
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[07:00] <slava_dp> sourceforge redesigned itself again.... now it's blueish :|
[07:01] <slava_dp> apparently they switched from ubuntu to fedora :D
[07:01] <Camarade_Tux>  ^^
[07:01] <Camarade_Tux> I find it even harder to find anything on sf now
[07:02] <slava_dp> at least it looks modern.
[07:02] <spook> hahaha
[07:02] <spook> fedora... ahahahaha
[07:02] <Camarade_Tux> it's maybe faster and that's really good news :)
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[07:04] <spook> its still not a server distro
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[07:04] <Buggaboo> hey
[07:05] <Zordrak> erm.. any idea if passwd/pwconv can be directed at files in non-std locations?
[07:05] <Buggaboo> I just configured a domain name resolver on the local network using bind, how do I make slackware refer to it?
[07:06] <Zordrak> suddenly realised after migrating NIS to slack.. im not sure how to add this new user to the nis passwd/shadow
[07:06] <Buggaboo> I'm guessing named.conf
[07:06] <Zordrak> *user's passwordi
[07:06] <slava_dp> Buggaboo, /etc/resolv.conf
[07:06] <Buggaboo> but its automagically generated by dhcpd, according to the comments therein.
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[07:07] <Buggaboo> ehm, not named.conf
[07:07] <Buggaboo> indeed resolv.conf
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[07:12] <spook> Buggaboo: yeah so change dhcpd
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[07:17] <Camarade_Tux> anybody used vlc to stream rtp over sctp?
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[07:26] <spook> yeah i did it once
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[07:28] <Lord_Khelben> hello everyone
[07:28] <spook> hi
[07:28] <Lord_Khelben> hello spook. how are you today ?
[07:28] <spook> i'm quite hungry
[07:29] Action: Zordrak too
[07:29] <spook> nice to meet you mr. hungry.   har har har
[07:29] Action: Zordrak feeds spook... with lithium
[07:30] <spook> heh
[07:30] <Lord_Khelben> lithium as in the stuff in batteries ?
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[07:32] <Zordrak> lithium as in medicinal
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[07:34] <missyjane> hi
[07:34] <spook> missyjane: hey!
[07:34] <Lord_Khelben> hello missyjane
[07:36] <Camarade_Tux> yo missyjane
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[07:38] <akira42> hello missyjane
[07:39] <Lord_Khelben> missyjane: did you rest ok ?
[07:39] <Lord_Khelben> that article you gave me was nice. beautiful screenshot
[07:40] <missyjane> Lord_Khelben, thanks :)
[07:41] <missyjane> hello dru.. i mean spook :D
[07:41] <spook> hahaha
[07:41] <missyjane> good morning Camarade_Tux + akira42
[07:41] <spook> currently sober, i promise
[07:41] <missyjane> psh
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[07:42] <Zordrak> missyjane: /bin/psh ftw :)
[07:42] <missyjane> xD
[07:42] <missyjane> so i was talking to someone who worked as a network administrator for an intranet, turns out their network went down and they spent almost a week trying to figure out the problem and they found out the problem
[07:43] Action: Zordrak awaits the punchline.
[07:43] <missyjane> the problem? when they pulled the wires out of the walls, they found chewed up wires :| talk about scary
[07:43] <missyjane> lol its not a joke ><
[07:43] <Zordrak> :/
[07:43] <missyjane> just that i never knew prob like this could exist, it was so far beyond me
[07:43] <straterra> Why is that scary?
[07:44] <straterra> It's called a rodent..rodents like to chew.
[07:44] <Skywise> they love the texture of plastic and some say electricity is also attractive
[07:44] <alisonken1noc> studies show that if rats don't chew something to get their front teeth down, they'll eventually die of starvation cause their front teeth will keep them from eating
[07:44] <missyjane> true but.. ;'(  everybody thought that problem was due to network itself
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[07:45] <straterra> It was
[07:45] <Skywise> they should of checked connectivity first
[07:45] <straterra> alisonken1noc: I've also heard their front teeth will grow up in to their brain
[07:45] <missyjane> bleh they had network problems before so it was a routine thing
[07:45] <Skywise> if the hardware is operating normally, i'm sure the status light would indicate a problem
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[07:46] <missyjane> but it was a big lesson for me to listen to him tell me about it
[07:47] <straterra> Never worked in IT before?
[07:47] <spook> cable testers cost you about $100 for a decent one.
[07:47] <alisonken1noc> Skywise: that's usually the first check: blinkey lights on the computers and blinkenlights on the switches
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[07:47] <straterra> That's not that unusual of a happening
[07:47] <Skywise> frankly i prefer a simple issue like that to a configuration issue
[07:47] <Skywise> if you got some borked router spamming bad arps, now thats a fun thing to diagnose
[07:48] <missyjane> straterra, i.. never had a job before..
[07:48] <straterra> heh
[07:48] <Skywise> cause everything looks normal but you gotta sniff and see whats going wrong
[07:48] <straterra> Oh right..high school..tom...I forgot. Carry on.
[07:49] <tewmten> high school girls in the channel?
[07:49] <missyjane> nah im 22
[07:49] <missyjane> lol
[07:49] <tewmten> or am i just dreaming?
[07:49] <tewmten> :D
[07:49] <missyjane> dreaming
[07:49] <tewmten> ah 22..
[07:50] <Pa^2> Looks a lot better than my 55 ... errrr
[07:50] <Skywise> well if the world ends in 2012 like its supposed to, you'll of gotten more years then her, so its not all bad
[07:51] <Pa^2> 2012?!?!   D*mn, where did I put that bucket list?
[07:51] <missyjane> :( like its SUPPOSED to?
[07:51] <spook> shut up with the 2012 stuff.
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[07:52] <spook> the baku just ticks over to 13.   13 00 00 00 00 etc
[07:52] <spook> now, 2038, that might be a world ending thing.
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[07:52] <missyjane> hahah
[07:53] <missyjane> so its true, im gonna die a virgin, nooooooo
[07:53] <Skywise> frankly, if bush couldn't end the world then i don't see how anything else can
[07:53] <spook> missyjane: we'll see about that :P
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[07:53] <straterra> Jesus
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[07:53] <spook> straterra: yeah hes due for a come-back tour
[07:54] <missyjane> Skywise, lol you might want to talk to a psychologist
[07:54] <spook> lets hope he doesnt die before it starts, like someone else.
[07:54] <Skywise> they only get discouraged
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[07:55] <xMDKx> morning
[07:55] <Skywise> morning
[07:55] <missyjane> morning xMDKx
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[07:57] <gtl> hi all
[07:57] <missyjane> im trying to buy an ebook on clickbank and it says FUTURE PAYMENT: $44.50 then it says Billed Once below and Today's Payment, so i add todays payment adn Future Payment and that should be my total cost? D:
[07:57] <missyjane> hi gtl
[07:57] <Skywise> i think in 2038 we'll simply have all unix systems accelerated faster then light and then will begin to run backwards and we'll eon out of them
[07:58] <Skywise> get another eon
[07:58] <missyjane> :O
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[08:01] <gtl> has anyone managed to install fglrx on latest xorg?
[08:01] <missyjane>  
[08:02] <Skywise> is that even legal?
[08:02] <missyjane> Skywise, are you talking to me?
[08:03] <Skywise> no to gtl, whatever he's talking about sounds rather nefarious to me
[08:03] <gtl> Skywise, fglrx is the proprietary video driver for ATI's cards
[08:04] <missyjane> ooh
[08:04] <straterra> ...
[08:04] <gtl> it installed just fine up until xorg 1.5.x
[08:05] Action: missyjane goes to make breakfast and buy the book
[08:05] <Skywise> you might wanna scan the changelog to see if anything was broken
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[08:07] <missyjane> wb Lord_Khelben
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[08:07] <Lord_Khelben> thank you missyjane. i minimised kvirc and it didn't restore grrr
[08:08] <missyjane> :O
[08:08] <missyjane> Your billing statement will show a debit by ClickBank or CLKBANK*COM
[08:08] <flame_me> does anybody use gdm? (for pasting text between consoles)
[08:09] <missyjane> ugh youre such a newb, why dont you google you stoopid ejeet?
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[08:09] <Skywise> you should just ask your question and someone will answer if they know
[08:10] <missyjane> lol pst pst, you are supposed to flame him :x
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[08:10] <flame_me> I did ask the question
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[08:11] <Skywise> well i'm sure theres someone who uses gdm
[08:11] <thumbs> missyjane: are we? Why?
[08:11] <missyjane> thumbs, read his name ><
[08:11] <missyjane> its a joke, please dont hurt me
[08:11] <Skywise> you prolly have a question about gdm
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[08:12] Action: missyjane cries!!
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[08:13] Action: alisonken1noc breaks out the wet noodle catO9tails
[08:13] Action: spook drags missyjane off to his dungeon
[08:13] <missyjane> i want to do webcam for alisonken1church cause he is so hot but he is.. taken :(
[08:14] <flame_me> spook is Joseph Fritzl
[08:14] Action: missyjane sinks her nails deep into the ground screaming "NOOO somebody help!!"
[08:14] <alisonken1noc> missyjane: unfortunately, the webcam is at the house
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[08:14] <spook> flame_me: thats totally uncalled for
[08:14] <missyjane> alisonken1church, that doesnt help!
[08:14] <alisonken1noc> :)
[08:14] <flame_me> flame me
[08:14] <alisonken1noc> "Flame On"
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[08:15] <missyjane> i want to watch a horror film called "The Haunting in Connecticut" but i cant watch it alone, and the girls are at work
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[08:18] Action: missyjane dances 
[08:18] <missyjane> i amm so happy, i got good music, its early morning, and i got my breakfast cookin and book opened
[08:19] <tewmten> it aint easy
[08:19] <tewmten> being cheesy
[08:20] <missyjane> shush im not cheesy
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[08:23] <missyjane> so speaking of slackware, did anyone sign up for the church? :x
[08:23] <straterra> slckware doesnt have a church
[08:24] <straterra> slackware*
[08:24] <alisonken1noc> church of bob comes to mind
[08:24] <missyjane> psh church of bob is the one im talking about
[08:24] <missyjane> its where Pat drew inspiration from
[08:24] <straterra> you mean the church of the subgenius
[08:25] <missyjane> >.>
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[08:30] <missyjane> :o i wanna punch somebody right now
[08:30] <missyjane> are you guys working atm? i dont understand how you can keep the irc on 24/7 idling in here
[08:31] <spook> heh.
[08:31] <straterra> I'm always on IRC.
[08:31] <straterra> I can sleep and IRC.
[08:31] <spook> i have my home machine running screen + irssi, so i'm always 'here'
[08:31] <missyjane> i know >.>...
[08:31] <missyjane> not true
[08:31] <Zordrak> missyjane: my server stays on 24/7 using screen.. and i attach to it when i get to work and leave it up
[08:31] <straterra> what isnt true?
[08:32] <missyjane> you took me to your dungeon, i saw at least an entire server farm dedicated to ircing spook
[08:32] <spook> lol.
[08:32] <spook> i dont have a dungeon :P
[08:32] <missyjane> one server down np, you got backup, and they are all dedicated to irc.. :|
[08:32] <alisonken1noc> missyjane: I'm working for another half hour, then heading home
[08:32] <missyjane> lies! unless i was drugged; Zordrak you leave irc on at work? you actually have a real server?
[08:33] <thrice`> fail.
[08:34] <spook> missyjane: it was all in your mind
[08:35] <Zordrak> missyjane: my home domain is run of a slackware server at home incl mail/ftp/dns etc .and it runs screen+irssi... at my desk i have a main box running slack-current for working on and i have a docking station with monitor and keyboard that i plug the laptop into, boot slack12.2 and attach to the screen in tty1 for irc
[08:35] <Zordrak> s/of/off/
[08:37] <tewmten> i loadbalance my irssi using vSpehere
[08:37] <Camarade_Tux> irss+screen = good :)
[08:37] <tewmten> got an ESX datacenter with hosts in london, new york and singapore
[08:37] <tewmten> always always need to be able to chat
[08:38] <tewmten> ... :p
[08:38] <Camarade_Tux>  ^^
[08:38] <Camarade_Tux> netsplits are really horrible ='(
[08:38] <spook> nah not when you turn off part/quit messages
[08:38] <straterra> Or get a decent client
[08:39] <tewmten> or use clones
[08:39] <tewmten> one for each server
[08:39] <tewmten> then just round-robin your irc client through a bnc
[08:39] <spook> lol
[08:39] <Camarade_Tux> yesterday I got netsplitted and ##slackware basically had 10 people left ='(
[08:39] <missyjane> ah
[08:39] <missyjane> thank you for sharing that Zordrak
[08:40] <tewmten> Camarade_Tux: funny, i just saw you and some other guys leave
[08:40] <tewmten> :D
[08:40] <spook> missyjane: i take it you are bored?
[08:40] <missyjane> spook no im about to head out
[08:40] <tewmten> you be heading.. out?
[08:40] <tewmten> be heading
[08:40] <tewmten> lol
[08:40] <tewmten> HAHAHAHA
[08:40] <Camarade_Tux> tewmten: did that netsplit resolved by itself? I left because I saw everybody leave
[08:40] <tewmten> i so funny
[08:40] <tewmten> Camarade_Tux: i dunno
[08:40] <tewmten> i dun care
[08:40] <tewmten> naah
[08:40] <tewmten> i need beer
[08:41] <Zordrak> spook: dont hog all that l/ithium i gave you
[08:41] <Zordrak> tewmten needs some
[08:41] <missyjane> lol -.-
[08:41] <tewmten> its okay
[08:41] <spook> Zordrak: he can have my share
[08:41] <tewmten> the thorazine will kick in any moment now
[08:41] <Camarade_Tux> tewmten: I was talking on several channels when the split occured so it was really annoying ;)
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[08:41] <Zordrak> Camarade_Tux: we get it.
[08:43] <Camarade_Tux> ?
[08:43] <tewmten> its okay dude
[08:43] <tewmten> just calm down
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[08:56] <tewmten> ughuifhuifghduifg
[08:56] <tewmten> i really dont wanna work today
[08:56] <tewmten> i need weekend now
[08:56] <spook> :)
[08:56] <tewmten> also i need a beer
[08:56] <thumbs> tewmten: quit, an d walk out then
[08:56] <tewmten> or 85
[08:57] <missyjane> i need a million dollars
[08:57] <tewmten> thumbs: wait, what? you can't walk out of a drive-in theater!
[08:57] <tewmten> missyjane: no you need to get off your lazy ass and get a job and move out of your mom's basement, dude!
[08:57] <thrice`> +1
[08:57] <Camarade_Tux> week-end in less than three hours :)
[08:58] <thrice`> it's just now 0900 here :(
[08:58] <Camarade_Tux> 3pm ;)
[08:58] <missyjane> lol
[08:58] <missyjane> im in ny
[08:58] <missyjane> too hard to get a job
[08:58] <tewmten> Camarade_Tux: i hear ya
[08:58] <tewmten> 5 o'clock is beer o'clock!
[08:59] <Camarade_Tux> I'll have my beer, thinking about how you're still at work :)
[08:59] <thrice`> too hard to find a job???  I'm in Michigan
[08:59] <Camarade_Tux> brb, reboot, need to get the dccp kernel module
[08:59] <tewmten> the CCCP kommunist kernel!
[08:59] <tewmten> na zdrovje!
[09:00] <missyjane> thrice`, ya if you had a job before the economy crashed, it doesnt count
[09:00] <rob0> In Soviet Russia, kernel reboot YOU
[09:00] <thrice`> why doesn't it count?
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[09:01] <thrice`> and if you can't find a job in a city like NY, you fail
[09:01] <rob0> queue Sinatra!
[09:01] <rob0> Sart spreadin' the news ...
[09:02] <Camarade_Tux> bah, nvidia driver and kernel update never mix well ='(
[09:02] <thrice`> sure, as long as you rebuild it :)
[09:02] <missyjane> thrice`, because finding a new job is completely different from keeping one
[09:03] <missyjane> haev you ever read "what color is my parachute"? it talksa bout the issue
[09:03] <missyjane> if it was that easy to find a job, the unemployment rate would go down, but instead it has steadily rised up
[09:04] <thrice`> you guys are only 8% unemployment, give me a break :P
[09:04] <Camarade_Tux> * fingers crossed *
[09:04] <missyjane> 8% is a lot tho
[09:05] <thrice`> we hit 15% this month
[09:05] <missyjane> thats casue the manufacturing industry and its not coming back
[09:05] <missyjane> even mccain admitted this
[09:05] <Camarade_Tux> thrice`: where do you live?
[09:05] <missyjane> so those folks are screwed and unable to find a job
[09:05] <Skywise> the national average isn't the whole story, in places like detroit its more like 40%
[09:05] <thrice`> of course its coming back
[09:05] <missyjane> no its not
[09:05] <Skywise> nah its not comming back
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[09:06] <missyjane> http://www.forbes.com/2009/05/28/robert-reich-manufacturing-business-economy.html
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[09:06] <missyjane> its GONE,, those people are screwed
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[09:06] <thrice`> if you think manufacturing in asia is going to stick around, you're very mistaken
[09:06] <Skywise> manufacturing is always going to go to the lowest cost of manpower
[09:06] <missyjane> if yo uare a new college grad, high school grad, or recently laid off, you are screwed
[09:06] <Skywise> you can stick the machines anywhere easily
[09:06] <missyjane> thrice`, no i understand asia very well and speak 2-3 languages from asian, i am very versed in asia and how well it will succeed
[09:06] <thrice`> do you actually work in manufacturing, might I ask?
[09:06] <missyjane> me? no
[09:06] <Skywise> its the cost of running them that keeps manufacturing migrating to the poorest economies
[09:07] <thrice`> you can't "drop machines in asia" and have the same results
[09:07] <missyjane> but i doubt you do either tho but i do read a lot and understand economy based on culture and language
[09:07] <Skywise> of course you can
[09:07] <missyjane> ya you can :x
[09:07] <Skywise> they've been doing it for decades
[09:07] <thrice`> ok, you're right.  I actually WORK at a manufacturing facility
[09:07] <missyjane> google "dont outsource to india" first link
[09:08] <missyjane> thrice`, many IT jobs and many manufacturing jobs are gone
[09:08] <thrice`> if we moved our shit to China, the result is 30% less cost, sure, but the increase in shipping, leadtime, and reduction of quality will not win
[09:08] <missyjane> they dont care about quality, for corporations its all about bottom line
[09:08] <thrice`> right, like those $8,000 Kia's that are taking off?
[09:08] <Skywise> it all depends on your industry
[09:08] <missyjane> kia suck tho :x
[09:09] <thrice`> but, what are do you mean?  surely they just dropped machines into Asia
[09:09] <thrice`> and the result is the same
[09:09] <Skywise> korea is the heavy manufacturing center of the world
[09:09] <thrice`> same quality, just less cost
[09:09] <missyjane> korea, china, india
[09:09] <missyjane> but mostly china for me as i didnt really study korea
[09:10] <thrice`> with the value of the US dollar, it's actually more cost-effective to produce in the states, than attempt to afford freight costs from overseas
[09:10] <Skywise> labor is always the largest cost of any enterprise
[09:10] <missyjane> they have never done that tho
[09:10] <missyjane> not*
[09:10] <thrice`> Skywise: *dead* wrong.  material fluxuation
[09:10] <missyjane> did you know that 100% of agriculture work are outsourced to mexico or illegal mexicans?
[09:11] <thrice`> reall, 100% ?
[09:11] <missyjane> agricultural, manufacturing, and technical (like it)
[09:11] <missyjane> yes
[09:11] <Skywise> maybe in your segment,  but not on the whole
[09:11] <thrice`> so, there are no farmers in the US?
[09:11] <missyjane> it was on PBS
[09:11] <missyjane> no no you misunderstood that thrice`
[09:11] <Skywise> you can buy futures for raw materials to control costs
[09:11] <missyjane> all the, for example, cherry pickers are illegals doing this
[09:11] <thrice`> Skywise: no; for example, this month, copper prices have risen, while wages have remained the same.  So, our product costs 10% more to product; it is not because of labor, I promise.
[09:12] <thrice`> ok, anyway, I have work to do.  I'll let you win missyjane, being the unemployed who doesn't work in manufacturing :>
[09:12] <Skywise> but how much is it in total
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[09:13] <missyjane> lol
[09:13] <missyjane> i just pasted an article that went indepth
[09:13] <missyjane> go read forbes
[09:13] <missyjane> Skywise, ^
[09:14] <thrice`> so some guy who paid to theorize can tell me that manufacturing makes sense to move over seas, when I WORK at a facility (and know many, many others) that clearly proves otherwise?
[09:14] <missyjane> theorize?
[09:14] <Skywise> how else would you explain the constant migration
[09:14] <spook> welcome to ##politics
[09:14] <thrice`> quite listening to fox news, and go out and get a job
[09:14] <missyjane> spook, this is better than ##politics, at least nobody is talking about white supremacy, raping women for fun, among other things
[09:14] <Skywise> the rust belt would disagree with you
[09:14] <thrice`> quit *
[09:15] <Skywise> ouch
[09:15] <spook> raping women for fun, now THERES an idea!
[09:15] <missyjane> thrice`, i dont watch fox news nor do i like them, and forbes magazine among others are NOT fox news or right wing material
[09:15] <missyjane> i live in ny, i see guys like him everyday http://www.nysun.com/pics/5030.jpg
[09:16] <Skywise> besides fox news has the polar opposite position
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[09:16] <missyjane> yea
[09:17] <missyjane> fox news laughed at peter schiff when he said in about 2007-08 the economy will decline and said this in 05-06
[09:17] <Skywise> they think letting businesses dump their employees and going overseas is good for jobs cause if the bosses are getting richer they'll hire more people
[09:17] <missyjane> he was talking about toxic assets, inflated real estate, etc
[09:17] <missyjane> skywise its all about bottom line here, so you can essentially blame excessive greed
[09:18] <missyjane> outsourcing to china, india, etc has lead to danger, like lead toys for example
[09:18] <missyjane> and supporting a govt that wants the united states dead
[09:18] <Skywise> applying a corporate model to the economy is one of the main problems
[09:18] <missyjane> indeed
[09:18] <missyjane> esp when not accounting for the dark side of human nature, the deregulation of the banking system does not help either
[09:19] <spook> the us supporting the egyptian regime is responsible for at least 30% of all the hate out there from muslims
[09:19] <missyjane> if anyone thinks about it
[09:19] <alisonken1noc> bye
[09:19] <missyjane> its the perfect storm
[09:19] <alisonken1noc> time to go home and let the dog out
[09:19] <missyjane> "The Perfect Storm"
[09:19] <missyjane> alisonken1church, <3 bye bye
[09:19] <Skywise> thats what cracked me up when greenspan said he never thought the banks would act against their self intrest
[09:20] <missyjane> Skywise, lol he knew, in hindsight, the thing is he pretends not to know hence the whole talk about needing more accountability and transparency
[09:20] <missyjane> there were a bunch of behind-the-door deal that ended up hurting a lot of people
[09:20] <Skywise> yeah, and the whole stock market is full of madoffs
[09:20] <missyjane> for folks who say "just get off your lazy ass and get a job", why dont you go find a job yourself, and see if you can get it, no need to quit your current job
[09:21] <missyjane> just see if you get a job, even one better than the current one you are in if you want
[09:21] <missyjane> and if you cant in a month (ill give you 2 month), then come back to me and tell me that
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[09:21] <missyjane> i tried everything, over 3000 emails, monster, craigslist, door to door and found nothing
[09:21] <Skywise> we raise people to be employees rather then employers
[09:21] <missyjane> i even padded my resume and added phd to it
[09:21] <missyjane> i got nothing
[09:21] <thrice`> I'm sure they couldn't see through that :D
[09:22] <missyjane> thrice`, actually they didnt even bother looking at it
[09:22] <missyjane> as far as i was told
[09:22] <Skywise> i prefer a lot of cottage industries rather then a few gigantic companies
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[09:22] <missyjane> your average employer, in a day, gets about 200 or so resume and can only scan through a few
[09:22] <missyjane> most go through the shredder
[09:22] <Skywise> i never advertise to hire someone
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[09:23] <Skywise> its always someone who gets referred to me
[09:23] <missyjane> btw
[09:23] <Skywise> i just don't have the time to screen anonymous people
[09:23] <alisonken1noc> missyjane: phd as in "Piled Higher and Deeper"
[09:23] <missyjane> ya "its who you know, not what you know" beecomes more truer than ever
[09:23] <missyjane> alisonken1church, indeed, i love phd people too cause they work their ass off, spend their entire life in the field they specialize in
[09:24] <Skywise> some of the dumbest people i know are phds
[09:24] <alisonken1noc> well, I don't have a phd - but have pretty much spent my life playing with computers (at least since 1981)
[09:24] <alisonken1noc> sorry - 1973
[09:24] <alisonken1noc> anyway - gotta go
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[09:25] <missyjane> Skywise, ive almost never met dumb phd people so, maybe they are just anti-social
[09:25] <missyjane> but dumb, certainly not
[09:25] <missyjane> they didnt spend $500,000 their entire life to be stupid in their field lol
[09:25] <Skywise> oh man, wait until you work with gov'ts of universities
[09:25] <Skywise> sure they did
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[09:26] <missyjane> oh well then, i feel even more sorry then
[09:26] <Skywise> some just got on the treadmill until they churn out a degree
[09:26] <Skywise> post-grad isn't like undergrad
[09:26] <Skywise> you can stay in post-grad as long as your bills are paid
[09:26] <spook> they are so far out of touch with the real world
[09:26] <missyjane> truer
[09:26] <missyjane> true*
[09:27] <missyjane> but hey, folks with phd are why we have all the things we have today esp if the folks are military scientists
[09:27] <Skywise> nah
[09:27] <spook> only 10% of my professors/lecturers are decent.
[09:27] <Skywise> their students are
[09:27] <Skywise> thats alot
[09:27] <MadMoney> <-- Future PhD.
[09:28] <Skywise> most are just going thru the motions trying to keep a steady stream of funding going
[09:28] <missyjane> what subject MadMoney?
[09:28] <spook> phds that go out into work force arent bad.
[09:28] <Skywise> it used to be publish or perish, now its wheres the money at
[09:28] <spook> ones that stay in academia are.
[09:28] <MadMoney> missyjane: Too early for me to choose the specifics of it, but it will be medical.
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[09:30] <missyjane> you are set then
[09:30] <flame_me> if I don't install KDE, do I still need the L software serie? (its description is libraries for KDE and Gnome)
[09:30] <spook> you need the l series
[09:30] <spook> theres no gnome libraries
[09:31] <spook> and all the kde specific libs are in /kde/
[09:31] <flame_me> thank you
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[09:32] <flame_me> ;o)
[09:33] <flame_me> is Adventure a Zork clone?
[09:33] <flame_me> in Y
[09:33] <missyjane> flame_me, seriously, why not just do a full install?
[09:34] <flame_me> because I can almost count the capacity (in mb) of my hdd on my fingers
[09:35] <missyjane> :O!!!!
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[09:35] <missyjane> thats so sad :'(
[09:35] <flame_me> ;(
[09:36] <Skywise> adventure preceded zork
[09:36] <Skywise> i can't believe how many hours i spend playing those text based games
[09:37] <Skywise> have to say most of it was guessing, there wasn't too much you could deduce or puzzle out
[09:37] <flame_me> is this it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventure_(Atari_2600)
[09:39] <flame_me> is dbus required to run for pidgin to work properly?
[09:39] <Skywise> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventure_game#Text_adventure
[09:40] <flame_me> can I install it and not have it start automatically at boot?
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[09:40] <missyjane> flame_me, why not take out your wallet, take out $70 and buy a 1tb? :o
[09:40] <missyjane> or 100$ and you can get 1.5tb
[09:40] <spook> adventure came before zork
[09:41] <spook> zork is an adventure clone if anything
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[09:41] <flame_me> I don't have a wallet
[09:41] <flame_me> much less 70$
[09:41] <Skywise> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventure_game#Adventure_.281975-1977.29
[09:41] <missyjane> dang
[09:41] <missyjane> how old are you? dont you have a more serious thing to worry about? o.o
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[09:42] <spook> flame_me: how much space do you have?
[09:43] <Skywise> its friday, i'm not really trying to get work done
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[09:43] <Skywise> you have much to learn grasshopper
[09:43] <Skywise> but i'd never buy  a car that was built on a monday or friday
[09:44] <flame_me> 8gb
[09:44] <spook> flame_me: do a full install, deselect  tcl tex emacs kde
[09:45] <spook> you'll have about 3-4gb spare
[09:45] <Zordrak> Why in fsck wont this motherboard take a sataII thats jumpered domn to sataI?! argh!
[09:45] <spook> if you want more space, then slackware isnt really the right choice
[09:45] <flame_me> okay
[09:45] <missyjane> :( Zordrak
[09:45] Action: Zordrak blames samsung
[09:45] <Skywise> could it be power?
[09:45] <flame_me> is dbus reqj
[09:46] <flame_me> fuck
[09:46] <flame_me> sorry
[09:46] <Skywise> doh
[09:46] <flame_me> is dbus required to run for pidgin to work properly?
[09:46] <flame_me> or it just needs to be "there" (on the hdd)
[09:46] <Zordrak> nah its the HD16xHJs... they just want talk to an A8V no matter what you do to them
[09:46] <spook> you need dbus
[09:47] <Zordrak> a 160JJ is ok when jumpered
[09:47] <spook> flame_me: do a full install.
[09:47] <flame_me> I am doing that, but I will be asked a question if I want dbus (and hal) enabled at boot
[09:48] <spook> yup
[09:48] <flame_me> and I want to use pidgin (which was compiled with the dbus flag)
[09:48] <spook> you want hal and dbus
[09:48] Action: Zordrak always assumed turning off dbus would cause some serious uberfailage
[09:48] <flame_me> okay, I was wondering if dbus had to be started first
[09:48] <Zordrak> but i turn hal off where possible
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[09:49] Action: TwinReverb leaves them on
[09:49] <Skywise> thats ok cause hal3000 would do the same to you
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[09:50] <flame_me> lol
[09:50] Action: TwinReverb is outside "stealing" wifi and getting eaten alive by mosquitos
[09:50] <TwinReverb> i was outside working on a broke F-16 and the mosquitos were running a train on me
[09:50] <flame_me> was the sequel any good?
[09:50] <TwinReverb> they don't use lube either
[09:50] <flame_me> to 2001
[09:50] <Skywise> malaria for net access, what a trade off
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[09:51] <flame_me> are you an airforce mechanic?
[09:51] <TwinReverb> i'm insured, i'm military 8-D it just means i get to go home early and work less
[09:51] <TwinReverb> yes, 2A372, Flightline Avionics Craftsman
[09:51] <missyjane> <3 military members
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[09:51] <missyjane> i will give free webcam shows for them
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[09:51] <spook> lol.
[09:51] <flame_me> cool, then you want to give me one :3
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[09:52] <spook> TwinReverb: can i have your free shows, since you have a wife?
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[09:52] <TwinReverb> missyjane, my wife does that for me, but thanks anyways
[09:52] <TwinReverb> spook, no, she don't belong to you so it's best that she doesn't
[09:52] <spook> 'belong to me' ?
[09:52] <missyjane> :'(
[09:52] <flame_me> american or canadian, TwinReverb?
[09:52] <TwinReverb> american
[09:52] <missyjane> of course american
[09:52] <missyjane> we have the greatest military in the world
[09:52] <missyjane> :)
[09:53] <spook> i disagree.
[09:53] <Zordrak> :,(.. its gonna be 4pm befor this mirror completes.. givingc me an hour to set up the new user... which means in practice im gonna be here till 8pm for the fifth day in a shiiting row!
[09:53] <Skywise> canadians fly the f-18 anyway
[09:53] <missyjane> :|
[09:53] <spook> i think the israelis are better
[09:53] <Skywise> the israelis are more ruthless
[09:53] <missyjane> spook lol... we built the israeli military
[09:53] <Skywise> but not better
[09:53] <TwinReverb> the israelis fly aircraft they bought from us though, ironically
[09:53] <flame_me> us army is too big, its professionalism is decreasing
[09:53] <TwinReverb> flame_me, size != professionalism
[09:54] <spook> the israelis have been in constant conflict for how long now?
[09:54] <TwinReverb> spook, since the dawn of time? 8-)
[09:54] <missyjane> spook doesnt mean anything, china has been in a conflict longer than almost any nation in the world
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[09:54] <Zordrak> HEY
[09:54] <Skywise> seasoned troops used to be critical
[09:54] <Zordrak> *I* was about to say since the dawn of time
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[09:54] <Zordrak> *bitchslap*
[09:54] <agentc0re> Zordrak: stop shouting asshole, i just woke up! :P
[09:54] Action: TwinReverb stabs Zordrak 
[09:54] <Zordrak> agentc0re: stop bing in canada then :p
[09:54] <missyjane> veteran/seasoned soldiers are still valued over new soldiers, try telling otherwise to my exbf who is a marine officer
[09:54] Action: TwinReverb ... with an F-16
[09:54] <Skywise> now the battle can be managed down to the soldier and they're mostly just used to deploy armaments
[09:54] <Zordrak> *being
[09:55] <agentc0re> Zordrak: i'm in Utah, you insensitive clod!
[09:55] <flame_me> I know that, but the quality of instruction decreases when you have so many members
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[09:55] <TwinReverb> particle man, particle man ...
[09:55] <TwinReverb> rworkman, wb
[09:55] <Skywise> i think comms have always been the crucial element in battle
[09:56] <spook> mobility, imo
[09:56] <Skywise> whoever can respond fastest to a changing situation has the advantage
[09:56] <Skywise> you have to know where to go first
[09:56] Action: spook has been playing tabletop 40k a lot lately
[09:57] <Skywise> actually, i'm more worried about the national guard then the defense department
[09:57] <Skywise> the national guard has been gutted
[09:57] <Skywise> most of their stuff is broke in a junkyard overseas
[09:57] <TwinReverb> because they're raping the discretionary spending budget to give everyone health care
[09:58] <agentc0re> Zordrak: Hey webacula came out with a new version.  you should check it out.  nice monitoring tool with a good layout.
[09:58] <TwinReverb> military and DoD are on that same budget
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[09:58] <Skywise> national guard is paid for by the states
[09:58] <TwinReverb> medicare and medicaid must increase, social security must increase, DoD must decrease or the budget must be increased, usually they go with the former rather than the latter
[09:58] <Skywise> they can't afford to re-equip their units
[09:58] <flame_me> how does the national guard work?
[09:58] <spook> most of the national defence stuff was sorted out under ike's watchful eye
[09:58] <flame_me> are they reservists?
[09:58] <TwinReverb> no
[09:58] <flame_me> or conscripts
[09:58] <Skywise> yes
[09:58] <TwinReverb> all are volunteers
[09:58] <cuba33ci> c
[09:58] <TwinReverb> just depends on who signs them
[09:59] <TwinReverb> guard belong to the states usually
[09:59] <Skywise> they're reserve units that can be federalized and deployed by the president
[09:59] <flame_me> do they have to do a tour overseas?
[09:59] <TwinReverb> reserve belongs to the country usually
[09:59] <Skywise> but they still take their own equipment
[09:59] <TwinReverb> depends on how and why they are mobilized
[09:59] <Skywise> well, yes there is an actual reserve
[09:59] <Skywise> but the national guard is another pool of resources
[09:59] <TwinReverb> then there's active guard which is a weird mix of DoD contractor and national guard
[09:59] <Skywise> they're really only intended to be deployed domestically
[10:00] <Zordrak> agentc0re: when i get the chance.... working 11hour days at normal work atmm
[10:00] <missyjane> what i feel sad for is
[10:00] <flame_me> can they stand on their own in a conflict or they're useless with help from regulars?
[10:00] <TwinReverb> yeah guard are usually deployed in/by states they belong to but oh well
[10:00] <missyjane> how little thanks the military get
[10:00] <Skywise> or they're used to suppliment front line troops
[10:00] <missyjane> :( so thank you TwinReverb and folks like you
[10:00] <TwinReverb> missyjane, you are welcome, i think about you when i turn wrenches
[10:00] <Skywise> nah, everyone loves the military
[10:00] <missyjane> Skywise, i know TONS of people that hate the military
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[10:00] <missyjane> TwinReverb, LOL
[10:00] <Skywise> just about everyone knows someone or has someone overseas
[10:00] <Skywise> well they're misguided
[10:00] <agentc0re> Zordrak: Blah, shoot yourself now.
[10:01] <missyjane> nope, i actually know people that want to disband the military or minimize it
[10:01] <Skywise> the military doesn't choose their mission
[10:01] <TwinReverb> dangit you just HAD to offer me a free show, now i must fight millions of curious thoughts inside my head 8-S
[10:01] <Skywise> they often don't even get to choose how they do their mission
[10:01] <flame_me> I signed up for the "vandoos" (regular)
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[10:01] <flame_me> I'm going to start next month ;(
[10:01] <Skywise> but they show up anyway
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[10:02] <TwinReverb> missyjane, curse you >8-)
[10:02] <TwinReverb> lol
[10:02] <missyjane> lol T.T
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[10:02] <Skywise> but the way bush really screwed up was trying to combat terrorists with the army
[10:02] <missyjane> remember code pink everyone?
[10:03] <Skywise> anti-terrorism is police action
[10:03] <missyjane> talk about anti-military
[10:03] Action: TwinReverb doesn't
[10:03] <Skywise> you send in the military to break things
[10:03] <TwinReverb> Skywise, you expect the police to hunt the taliban overseas?  they're not ready for that nor equipped
[10:03] <TwinReverb> granted i don't want to get into the politics ... 8-S
[10:04] <Skywise> the local police need to be trained and equipped to deal with it
[10:04] <TwinReverb> not outside of the USA they don't
[10:04] <Skywise> part of the problem in iraq and iran is we can't tell the good guys from the bad guys but the locals can
[10:04] <flame_me> the best startegy against terrorism is not to create it to begin with
[10:04] <TwinReverb> flame_me, there will always be evil dictators and evil people, that cannot be ignored
[10:04] <TwinReverb> there will always be religious extremists
[10:04] <Skywise> they know when theres someone out of place and can deal with it more readily then our best trained troops
[10:04] <TwinReverb> all we can do is make their lives a living hell 8-)
[10:05] <Skywise> a month or 2 ago was a perfect example
[10:05] <TwinReverb> Skywise, in the USA, maybe, but not outside of it
[10:05] <flame_me> TwinReverb, you have to realize that some countries can only be ruled with machine guns
[10:05] <Skywise> 30 people died in a mosque explosion
[10:05] <Skywise> but it could of been much worse
[10:05] <flame_me> and Irak was one of them
[10:05] <TwinReverb> Skywise, i almost read that "30 people died in a mosquito explosion"
[10:05] <Skywise> they noticed the guy was acting strange and didn't belong
[10:05] <flame_me> saddam kept everyone on the leash, which was a good thing
[10:05] <Skywise> lol
[10:05] <Skywise> you poor guy
[10:06] <TwinReverb> flame_me, even though he was trying to acquire nukes and testing bio and chem weapons on kurdish civilians?
[10:06] <Skywise> and they got him out of the mosque and were trying to get him away from the crowd when he detonated
[10:06] <TwinReverb> even though he was paying approx. $10K to families of suicide bombers?
[10:06] <Skywise> we can't do that
[10:06] <Skywise> nah
[10:06] <missyjane> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2067/2234976207_22db885c0f_o.jpg
[10:07] <TwinReverb> 8-S
[10:07] <Skywise> saddam wasn't a key to terrorism, he hated al queda
[10:07] <flame_me> TwinREverb, who is going to try Nixon for the us army using napalm and agent orange in Vietnam?
[10:07] <Skywise> saddam had no interests in sharing power with them
[10:07] <TwinReverb> flame_me, i don't know, but it's not my concern right now
[10:08] <Skywise> whats funny, is that there were christian iraqis before he was deposed but they had to flee
[10:08] <TwinReverb> Skywise, but there are more now than before
[10:08] <Skywise> we should of left saddam alone
[10:08] <Skywise> we had been bombing him for 11 years straight
[10:08] <flame_me> yes, it was the least of two evils
[10:08] <nix_chix0r> TwinReverb, you gona let a feminazi discuss religion and war related stuff to you? she should be making you breakfast
[10:08] <TwinReverb> no, he should've paid for what he did to kurdish civilians, and it should've happened immediately and not later
[10:08] <nix_chix0r> naked
[10:08] <Skywise> he didn't have wmds any more then he can a working command and control network
[10:08] <TwinReverb> nix_chix0r, HAHAHA lol
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[10:09] <TwinReverb> nix_chix0r, don't tempt me 8-)
[10:09] <nix_chix0r> mornin btw
[10:09] <Skywise> every radar he put up got blown up
[10:09] <rob0> TwinReverb is AFW (away from wife)
[10:09] <TwinReverb> i remember people being furious at images in Time magazine of dead kurdish civilians littering the streets of abandoned kurdish towns
[10:09] <TwinReverb> they wanted saddam dead
[10:09] <TwinReverb> now everyone's like "oh no we shouldn't've gotten rid of him"
[10:09] <Skywise> yeah thats a whole nother mess
[10:09] <TwinReverb> make up your @#$ mind
[10:10] <Skywise> the kurds don't like the turks either
[10:10] <Skywise> hey i never changed my position
[10:10] <TwinReverb> don't like < sending sarin gas
[10:10] <Skywise> i said the war was fake from the start
[10:10] <nix_chix0r> i'm going to try my best to go back to sleep here, my heart is still pounding. the direct tv guy said he was comming at noon and i work a night shift and he pounded on the door at 9am so i said fuck it he can come back another day
[10:10] <nix_chix0r> didnt answer the door
[10:10] <TwinReverb> the comment wasn't for you, it was for the world
[10:10] <Skywise> the whole thing was there wasn't any corroborating evidence
[10:11] <Skywise> when theres a major program going on, theres plenty of evidence, take north korea for instance
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[10:11] <TwinReverb> i could care less, it was a long time in coming
[10:11] <Skywise> we have no problem keeping tabs on their systems
[10:11] <TwinReverb> well you can't treat them the same when they already HAVE nukes
[10:11] <TwinReverb> much less they're a much different threat
[10:11] <Skywise> saddam didn't have nukes and wasn't even close
[10:11] <TwinReverb> iraq doesn't have a million man army
[10:12] <Skywise> they did
[10:12] <TwinReverb> since when?
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[10:12] <Skywise> iraq and iran were the 2 biggest armies in the region
[10:12] <TwinReverb> i don't remember them being one million strong in foot soldiers
[10:12] <missyjane> ya
[10:12] <Skywise> they were in a war 10 years before the first gulf war
[10:12] <missyjane> iraq has the 3rd or 4rd biggest military in the world
[10:12] <TwinReverb> they did have chem and bio weapons, as the kurds can attest
[10:12] <missyjane> and we dismantlled it in about 2-3 days
[10:12] <missyjane> hoorah :D
[10:13] <Skywise> well they were pre damaged
[10:13] <TwinReverb> this is a pointless discussion
[10:13] <TwinReverb> you cannot expect perfection of a quite imperfect world and be fool enough to think that's what you'll find
[10:13] <flame_me> it's hypocritical to act like the police when your own  country actually nuked civilians, sprayed highly toxic defoliants on civilians and used napalm as well and if the US gave a turd about the kurds, it wouldn't have waited a couple of decades before intervening
[10:13] <Skywise> the point is you can't fix a country with an armed occupation
[10:13] <TwinReverb> there is no perfect solution
[10:14] <Skywise> we're the ones who put in saddam in the first place
[10:14] <TwinReverb> flame_me, we did not know the defoliants were toxic.  their method of "intervening" for the kurds were the north and south "no fly" zones
[10:14] <Skywise> but my point is that stability must be preserved
[10:14] <TwinReverb> we put in saddam when we thought he was good and he turned out to be bad.  so what?
[10:14] <Skywise> no, we never thought he was good
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[10:14] <Skywise> we just thought we owned him
[10:15] <flame_me> US put a lot of dictators in power
[10:15] <flame_me> like Pinochet
[10:15] <TwinReverb> it was a stupid CIA philosophy of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", yes
[10:15] <Skywise> but he didn't sell us the oil contract cause he found out the deal we offered ripped him off, so he sold them to the brits
[10:15] <missyjane> TwinReverb, you should look into ron paul then, we should disband cia
[10:15] <Skywise> i don't care for the cia
[10:15] <missyjane> it has done nothing but a piss poor job of destroying us alliances and making the world hate us
[10:15] <TwinReverb> missyjane, i would've voted for ron paul but he didn't make the cut
[10:15] <TwinReverb> i love ron paul to death
[10:16] <missyjane> hell yeah me too
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[10:16] <Skywise> ron paul is crazy, but less crazy then most gops
[10:16] <missyjane> i tossed my vote to the libertarian party
[10:16] <flame_me> I love Ann Coulter, I always wanted a shemale friend
[10:16] <missyjane> Skywise, at least  ron paul can recite the constitution
[10:16] <TwinReverb> he's not crazy, he's just very conservative
[10:16] <missyjane> hes a constitutionalist
[10:16] <Skywise> no, he's crazy
[10:16] <missyjane> even jon stewart and stephen colbert finds that true
[10:16] <missyjane> no hes not crazy
[10:16] <TwinReverb> i didn't vote for the libertarian party, however, because they ran an idiot for their office
[10:17] <TwinReverb> posing with topless strippers when you're married is hardly the way to get a nomination
[10:17] <missyjane> lol who?
[10:17] <TwinReverb> it wasn't ron paul, that's all i needed to know 8-)
[10:17] <missyjane> oh heh
[10:17] <TwinReverb> i voted constitution party because the guy they ran is at least not a hypocrite
[10:17] <Skywise> libertarians constantly recruit me, because we agree on most things
[10:17] <Skywise> but i prefer to be independent
[10:17] <TwinReverb> granted we're all hypocrites because we believe in high ideals that we can't always measure up to
[10:18] <Skywise> no, i don't think so
[10:18] <flame_me> I'm also limited on memory btw, what are the stock window managers part of slackware?
[10:18] <flame_me> I want to squeeze as much as possible free memory
[10:18] <Skywise> i think aspiring to high ideals isn't hypocritical
[10:18] <TwinReverb> i think it's not hypocritical either
[10:18] <Skywise> i think holding someone else to those ideals you can't meet is hyopcritical
[10:18] <TwinReverb> but it can appear to be sometimes
[10:18] <missyjane> im not a hypocrite
[10:18] <flame_me> ;(
[10:18] <missyjane> like for example i have never cheated in my life
[10:18] <missyjane> thats apparently too hard for most girls
[10:18] <missyjane> :x
[10:18] <TwinReverb> s/girls/guys
[10:19] <Skywise> i wouldn't cheat simply because its too complicated
[10:19] <missyjane> true TwinReverb
[10:19] <nix_chix0r> monogomy isn't just for girls
[10:19] <missyjane> i was gonna do military
[10:19] <missyjane> but i got rejected cause i have lung problems
[10:19] <TwinReverb> but military did you instead? 8-S
[10:19] <TwinReverb> oh
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[10:19] <flame_me> lol
[10:19] <nix_chix0r> nah i think they still have a no gay policy
[10:19] <nix_chix0r> that includes the feminists
[10:19] <missyjane> ya and not having a high school degree didn thelp but i DID acquire it later on but they wouldnt give me a waiver
[10:19] <Skywise> i live an honest live just cause i don't wanna have to remember the lies
[10:19] <TwinReverb> no, it's the "don't ask don't tell"
[10:19] <nix_chix0r> i'm gona get back to sleep here
[10:19] <missyjane> LOL yeah no lesbians didnt help either
[10:20] <TwinReverb> which is really retarded in the first place
[10:20] <missyjane> TwinReverb, gays should be allowed to serve, end of story
[10:20] <TwinReverb> get caught and you get kicked out, but you can secretly be that way
[10:20] <missyjane> its not like gay people go into a battalion and go "HEY LOOK, *flashes penis*"
[10:20] <missyjane> lol
[10:20] <TwinReverb> missyjane, not at all.  i don't want to be looking over my shoulder in the shower
[10:20] <nix_chix0r> missyjane, the men don't like it because they are supposed to have authority over you , and you defy them
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[10:20] <missyjane> TwinReverb, gay men rape other men in the military? tahts unheard of, but youll have to argue with my ex who says gay men should be alloewd to serve instead of criminals
[10:20] <TwinReverb> we don't allow cohabitation due to the possibility of improper behavior
[10:20] <Skywise> i think sexual preference and religon should be private
[10:21] <missyjane> nix_chix0r, TRUE! DOWN WITH THE MEN! cut it off! GROW BEWBIES! :D
[10:21] <TwinReverb> missyjane, no, there were a couple etherbunny cases in desert storm
[10:21] <nix_chix0r> HOORAY FOR BOOBIES
[10:21] <missyjane> etherbunny?
[10:21] <Skywise> yeah more boobies
[10:21] <nix_chix0r> that's something any one can enjoy ages 13+
[10:21] <missyjane> haha
[10:21] <spook> nix_chix0r: hurray for boobies indeed
[10:21] <spook> nix_chix0r: dont forget 3 and under
[10:22] <nix_chix0r> hey my kid doesn't get my boobs i dried them bitches out i am not a milk tap
[10:22] <TwinReverb> many of Hitler's SS were gay and look how it turned out, end of story
[10:22] <nix_chix0r> that's what similac is for
[10:22] <TwinReverb> read up on the history of the SS
[10:22] <nix_chix0r> just don't read it on wiki or you'll be gone forever
[10:22] <TwinReverb> it's not gayness itself, but the possibility of doing improper things that can lead to problems
[10:22] <nix_chix0r> gone/lost
[10:22] <TwinReverb> which is why men and women do not live in close proximity during wars etc
[10:23] <nix_chix0r> anyway nini
[10:23] <tewmten> yeah SS was dressed in proper Hugo Boss suites, killing jews..
[10:23] <Skywise> whats improper about having sex before you go out into harms way
[10:23] <tewmten> oh man thats sweet
[10:23] <missyjane> TwinReverb, actually men and women shower in the military right now, they share the same room while naked, from what im told
[10:23] <missyjane> a lot of officers aubse their power and rape women
[10:23] <missyjane> and it gets swept under the rug
[10:23] <TwinReverb> Skywise, the possibility of improper conduct, like turning a trick for a high rating
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[10:23] <Skywise> thats also why vd spread thru the troops like wild fire
[10:24] <TwinReverb> it's bad enough right now, allowing gays in only makes it more of a possibility
[10:24] <missyjane> ya
[10:24] <missyjane> http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/31/military.sexabuse/
[10:24] <missyjane> Sexual assault in military 'jaw-dropping,' lawmaker says
[10:24] <TwinReverb> much less statistically they still have a higher infection possibility
[10:24] <Skywise> we are sexual beings
[10:24] <Skywise> who its with should only matter to those involved
[10:24] <TwinReverb> because people start using it as a control tool
[10:24] <TwinReverb> at that point it's essentially rape because it's unwanted, but coerced
[10:24] <missyjane> but this is why chinese military is so good TwinReverb
[10:25] <missyjane> if you are caught or you are guilty - execution time
[10:25] <Skywise> it shouldn't be allowed between ranks
[10:25] <missyjane> people hate the chinese for so willing to pull the trigger, but i admire the chinese for this
[10:25] <tewmten> TwinReverb: you're saying that gay people have a much higher infection possibility?!
[10:25] <TwinReverb> they have a billion man army, they can spare a few
[10:25] <missyjane> dont hate the chinese, they didnt exist for 5000+ years for nothing
[10:25] <missyjane> TwinReverb, not exactly true lol not one billion
[10:25] <TwinReverb> tewmten, medical fact due to the place on the body where the contact occurs being less resistant to infection
[10:25] <missyjane> they recently cut off a few million to help modernize the military
[10:26] <TwinReverb> missyjane, they have a few million to spare lol
[10:26] <missyjane> TwinReverb, lol, you are just jealous they are more efficient than we americans in the military
[10:26] <TwinReverb> i'm not jealous
[10:26] <tewmten> TwinReverb: what about gays that dont take it up their ass then? are their infection possibilities still higher than us straight guys?
[10:26] <_budo> what is the future of IT in america
[10:26] <tewmten> O_o
[10:26] <missyjane> _budo, google "dont outsource to india", first link
[10:27] <TwinReverb> tewmten, at that point, no, but now you're splitting hairs
[10:27] <TwinReverb> that's like expecting opposite sex couples to stop only at oral, that will probably never happen
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[10:27] <missyjane> psh ive never done oral sex with a man and ive kissed and made out with my ex to hell
[10:27] <tewmten> but i mean, if a straight guy takes it up the ass the risk of infection is also greater so..
[10:27] <tewmten> i dont agree
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[10:28] <TwinReverb> still, they can't say they're born that way, so it's not discrimination
[10:28] <Skywise> i've taken dumps bigger then any pornstar i've seen
[10:28] <TwinReverb> saying you can't enter the military because you're black or female is wrong because someone can't just up and change that
[10:28] <tewmten> yeah true
[10:28] <tewmten> but its like the jews
[10:28] <tewmten> they choose it
[10:28] <TwinReverb> but you can change your sexual orientation
[10:28] <Skywise> being gay is perfectly natural
[10:28] <tewmten> its not like they are born jew
[10:29] <tewmten> or christians
[10:29] <TwinReverb> Jew is not just a religious term, it is also a genetic term
[10:29] <missyjane> TwinReverb, like you prefer men? you can change that? i never knew that
[10:29] <tewmten> they have a choice
[10:29] <Skywise> its not a real social distinction
[10:29] <tewmten> no matter how wrong it might be
[10:29] <TwinReverb> Seinfeld proudly proclaims that he's Jewish but he's an athiest
[10:29] <tewmten> not really
[10:29] <alisonken1church> Skywise: actually, being gay is a choice
[10:29] <TwinReverb> missyjane, hence bisexuals
[10:29] <Skywise> its just an irrantional bibilical predujice
[10:29] <Skywise> i don't think it matters if its a choice or not
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[10:29] <TwinReverb> much less the study showed that if you are an identical twin, your twin is only likely to be gay 50% of the time if you are gay
[10:30] <Skywise> its only the business of the people involved
[10:30] <TwinReverb> their DNA is identical, however, meaning that if it was truly DNA, it would be closer to 99%
[10:30] <Skywise> and the best soldiers in history were gay
[10:30] <alisonken1church> Skywise: nope - it's not just an irrational biblical prejudice. sex is for propagation of the species.
[10:30] <missyjane> TwinReverb, im a bi but one girl i live with is a lesbian, she cant like men even if she wanted to
[10:30] <TwinReverb> Skywise, pfft whatever
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[10:30] <TwinReverb> just because someone finds some stupid obscure piece of paper claiming someone is/was gay don't make them gay
[10:30] <Skywise> and they were in couraged to take a lover because its known they fought harder to protect their lover
[10:30] <missyjane> wb alisonken1church
[10:30] <Skywise> its the history of the spartans
[10:31] <TwinReverb> missyjane, probably due to the lies told to her by other lesbians
[10:31] <missyjane> TwinReverb, lol uh
[10:31] <missyjane> she tried dating a man but when she kissed him she puked
[10:31] <TwinReverb> Skywise, so you know all 300 of their names and sexual preferences?
[10:31] <missyjane> she is really a lesbian
[10:31] <alisonken1church> missyjane: only for a few - got a dental appt in 25 minutes
[10:31] <Skywise> sex isn't all about propigation of the species
[10:31] <TwinReverb> missyjane, stuff like that can be psychological
[10:31] <missyjane> no she tried it
[10:31] <alisonken1church> Skywise: yes it is
[10:31] <missyjane> it doesnt matter, she likes women and thats it
[10:31] <Skywise> that movie was crap
[10:31] <Skywise> no its not
[10:31] <missyjane> she plans on marrying a woman too
[10:31] <TwinReverb> i know a woman whose husband cheated on her who had the same reaction when she tried to kiss him after that
[10:32] <Skywise> ever species that has sex also has homosexual sex
[10:32] <tewmten> yeah
[10:32] <TwinReverb> one person out there who "can't" be straight doesn't prove that it's DNA
[10:32] <Skywise> some animals just have sex for fun
[10:32] <Skywise> or cause they like it
[10:32] <tewmten> like humans
[10:32] <TwinReverb> Skywise, um, no, again wrong.  a few do, but very few.  with dogs, for example, it's not sex, it's a display of dominance
[10:32] <TwinReverb> but even then, just because dogs do it don't mean you have to
[10:32] <Skywise> dude
[10:32] <ananke> some species even trade sex for goods.
[10:32] <tewmten> hey now
[10:32] <alisonken1church> Skywise: that's the hook to try and propagate the species. except when you're Vulcan
[10:32] <Skywise> you're about 50 years out od date
[10:32] <tewmten> i like doing it doggy style
[10:33] <missyjane> lol TwinReverb you are such a turn off now :(
[10:33] <TwinReverb> just because octopi have 8 legs and can use all 8 during sex don't mean you need to grow four more
[10:33] <tewmten> woah
[10:33] <tewmten> imagine having 8 cocks
[10:33] <tewmten> that'd be helluva cool
[10:33] <TwinReverb> or eight hands
[10:33] <Skywise> and they only have reproductive organs on 1 tentacle
[10:33] <fred> Noobfarm, anyone?
[10:33] <tewmten> what am i gonna do with 8 hands?!
[10:33] <TwinReverb> fred, no thanks 8-)
[10:33] <alisonken1church> fred: souds about right :)
[10:34] <TwinReverb> tewmten, use a cluster of four laptops? 8-)
[10:34] <tewmten> i rather have 8 cocks
[10:34] <Skywise> but benobo monkeys have straight and gay sex casually all the time
[10:34] <TwinReverb> i really don't care if every animal on the planet is gay, i'm not, and human beings are not
[10:34] <TwinReverb> born that way at least
[10:34] <tewmten> woah
[10:34] <fred> ...
[10:34] <tewmten> did you just say human beings are not gay?! :D
[10:34] <tewmten> i know alot of gay people
[10:34] <TwinReverb> i said not born
[10:34] <Skywise> sure they are
[10:34] <alisonken1church> TwinReverb: actually, the problem evolved because not enough females wanted to handle the demands of testosterone
[10:35] <tewmten> nah they were born that way
[10:35] <missyjane> um what about kids who display gay or homosexual tendency TwinReverb?
[10:35] <Skywise> you just have to recognize the truthe
[10:35] <missyjane> cause they were born that way
[10:35] <TwinReverb> alisonken1church, how do we know how it evolved?  or if it even evolved?
[10:35] <Skywise> sex is good
[10:35] <Skywise> anal sex is good
[10:35] <Skywise> oral sex is good
[10:35] <Skywise> people like sex
[10:35] <missyjane> i hate anal sex
[10:35] <missyjane> <alisonken1church> TwinReverb: actually, the problem evolved because not enough females wanted to handle the demands of testosterone
[10:35] <missyjane> this is TOO TOO True
[10:35] <TwinReverb> that's like saying if enough people want three hands that kids will start having three hands in a million years
[10:35] <Skywise> who they want sex with is a matter of taste and preference
[10:35] <tewmten> my g/f punched me when i tried sticking it in her ass :-/
[10:35] <fred> TwinReverb: heard of selective breeding? :p
[10:35] <alisonken1church> TwinReverb: wrong analogy.
[10:35] <beatzz> sup Slack G's!?!?!
[10:36] <TwinReverb> fred, yeah, it's us selectively breeding them 8-)
[10:36] <tewmten> beatzz: we are discussing gay anal sex, welcome!
[10:36] <fred> aka your three hands thing is vaguelly plausible.
[10:36] <TwinReverb> alisonken1church, well you said female desire = evolutionary result
[10:36] <TwinReverb> with as many times as i've heard someone wish they had an extra hand with which to carry something, we should have another @#$ hand by now! 8-)
[10:36] <alisonken1church> not quite :)
[10:36] <beatzz> ahhh, gay anal sex. well I haven't tried it. Don't plan on trying it either :x
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[10:37] <TwinReverb> "humans lost their tails because they weren't needed"   screw you, i could use a tail at least once a day
[10:37] <Skywise> beauty is in the eye of beholder
[10:37] <tewmten> beatzz: me neither, but we are still discussing it
[10:37] <beatzz> anal sex w/ female isent very fun either unless shes into it.
[10:37] <TwinReverb> Skywise, so do i roll a D10?
[10:37] <TwinReverb> </D&D>
[10:37] <beatzz> otherwise its more like torture
[10:37] <tewmten> yeah..
[10:37] <tewmten> oh well
[10:37] <Skywise> i don't like mens bodies cause they don't got tits
[10:37] <alisonken1church> TwinReverb: more like 2D12
[10:37] <TwinReverb> alisonken1church, k cool
[10:37] <Skywise> but theres nothing wrong with liking men
[10:38] <Skywise> my gf likes men
[10:38] <beatzz> hey all, getting medical marijuana is the best thing to do
[10:38] <Skywise> i wouldn't hold it against her
[10:38] <TwinReverb> much less it IS unnatural in terms of wanting to have a family ... gay couples don't reproduce naturally
[10:38] <Skywise> life isn't all about reproduction
[10:38] <missyjane> lol..
[10:38] <beatzz> cause then you could be smokin on this herb "black berry" thats purple as fuck super crystalie
[10:38] <Skywise> its just one of the things we do
[10:38] <TwinReverb> the one they tried to say was lesbians reproducing, one was actually a transgendered man who still had balls
[10:38] <guax> focusing on slackware here is the right thing to do i think
[10:38] <alisonken1church> Skywise: just the mechanics of reproduction :)
[10:38] <Skywise> sex has recreational value
[10:39] <tewmten> sex is so much more than just reproduction
[10:39] <TwinReverb> if i wanted to try and prove evolution, slackware would be the best example 8-P
[10:39] <Skywise> its also a great emotional connection
[10:39] <_budo> its not like the world needs to be overpopulated either
[10:39] <tewmten> is messy and sticky and makes you happy and also gives me an urge to smoke more cigarettes
[10:39] <tewmten> :S
[10:39] <Skywise> if you only have sex for reproduction, i'm sorry for ya
[10:39] <tewmten> _budo: haha no we are doing fine on that front anyway
[10:39] <Skywise> cause you're missing out on a whole lot more
[10:39] <TwinReverb> tewmten, define overpopulated
[10:39] <missyjane> sigh this topic makes me sad and i want to concentrate
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[10:40] <TwinReverb> south korea (where i am right now) is the size of illinoise and yet is a very populated country
[10:40] <TwinReverb> i don't see them complaining
[10:40] <tewmten> well do you speak korean?
[10:40] <Skywise> we as a species have no issues with population
[10:40] <alisonken1church> Skywise: the _reason_ for sex is procreation. the _hook_ for sex is recreatoin
[10:40] <TwinReverb> tewmten, no but i have asked those who speak english 8-)
[10:40] <Skywise> there is no reason for sex
[10:40] <TwinReverb> they don't think there are too many people in south korea, they think it's fine at its current population
[10:40] <TwinReverb> dangit i love sex, there IS A REASON!!! 8-)
[10:40] <Skywise> beings had sex long before they had reason
[10:40] <Skywise> hehe
[10:41] <Skywise> reproduction is a consequence of sex
[10:41] <tewmten> if i needed a reason for everything i do i would still be unemployed, living with my parents
[10:41] <Skywise> in some cases
[10:41] <TwinReverb> not a consequence, a natural outcome (assuming everything works like normal)
[10:41] <Skywise> but its hardly the purpose for beings less concious as us
[10:41] <Skywise> not really
[10:41] <TwinReverb> dangit where are my MREs?
[10:41] <Skywise> you eat those voluntarily?
[10:42] <TwinReverb> no not really
[10:42] <Skywise> ok
[10:42] <TwinReverb> some of the newer ones aren't too bad
[10:42] <tewmten> :D
[10:42] <TwinReverb> but i wish they had kimchi or something just, i don't know, different
[10:42] <Skywise> i only liked spaghetti
[10:42] <alisonken1church> TwinReverb: we "fixed" that consequence after the fourth. and like you - the only reason now is recreation :)
[10:42] <tewmten> i dont understand why you have to eat in the army.. dont they give you amphetamines?
[10:42] <TwinReverb> alisonken1church, due to certain things, my wife must have C section every time, so we called it good after two and mutually got altered
[10:42] <Skywise> they're in the food
[10:43] <TwinReverb> tewmten, air force
[10:43] <TwinReverb> Skywise, no
[10:43] <Skywise> yeah and the kool aid don't have salt peter in it
[10:43] <TwinReverb> there are anti-fatigue pills but only for extreme circumstances
[10:43] <TwinReverb> Skywise, again, no, urban legend
[10:44] <Skywise> no, its not, i remember it from basic
[10:44] <TwinReverb> Skywise, again, incorrect
[10:44] <Skywise> believe me, its noticeable when you come off
[10:44] <TwinReverb> the lack of wood in the morning in basic is due to being yelled at, worked to death, and in a strange hostile environment
[10:44] <alisonken1church> amphetamines don't fill the stomach - and the military definitely runs on it's stomache
[10:44] <Skywise> and the lack of interest at all?
[10:45] <TwinReverb> it's absolutely laughable that the army or any DoD would do such a thing
[10:45] <Skywise> oh yea
[10:45] <TwinReverb> Skywise, because you're more worried about being yelled at?
[10:45] <Skywise> they have such a good history
[10:45] <TwinReverb> history != fact
[10:45] <Skywise> no, i cruised thru basic, came out with honors
[10:45] <TwinReverb> all human beings are liars, but that don't mean i assume you're lying
[10:45] <tewmten> the shrink didnt let me in to the swedish army
[10:46] <TwinReverb> tewmten, so you became a swedish chef instead? 8-)
[10:46] <tewmten> TwinReverb: bork bork bork :D
[10:46] <alisonken1church> TwinReverb: if anybody says otherwise, ask them if they told a mother that her newborn baby is ugly :)
[10:46] <tewmten> newborn babies are always ugly
[10:46] <tewmten> until you wash them off
[10:46] <tewmten> *hehe*
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[10:46] <eviljames> fsckin uncool: http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2009-July/069714.html
[10:46] <TwinReverb> usually you don't make a comment about their looks until after they get cleaned off
[10:46] <Skywise> you have to lie anyway
[10:47] <eviljames> 2.6.30 hasa root hole?
[10:47] <alisonken1church> ok - baby  in general, not just newborn
[10:48] <Skywise> so why is 2.6.30 going so badly?
[10:48] <TwinReverb> babies don't have enough of their own features really
[10:48] <TwinReverb> Skywise, i think it's just a proof that the dereference protection is defeatable
[10:48] <Dominian> eviljames: wonder if that works against grsecurity
[10:48] <alisonken1church> ok - off to the dentist
[10:49] <TwinReverb> no matter, for every hack there is both a defense and a way around that defense
[10:49] <Skywise> TwinReverb, but it has other issues in general
[10:49] <TwinReverb> it's an eternal game of cat and mouse
[10:49] <Skywise> it seems like they jumped too far
[10:49] <thrice`> 2.6.30.x is pretty good here
[10:50] <Skywise> i'm gonna hold off on it
[10:50] <Skywise> but .29 has its issues too
[10:50] <thrice`> like?
[10:51] <TwinReverb> no like
[10:51] <Skywise> oh i don't wanna go thru it again
[10:51] <Skywise> lets just suffice to say, its not an easy choice between the 2 versions
[10:51] <Skywise> and its not because of the positives
[10:51] <thrice`> what about .29 isn't working?
[10:52] <Skywise> its not about not working, its about not having fixes incorporated in .30 and .30 having new issues
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[10:53] <thrice`> which fixes?
[10:53] <Skywise> lol
[10:53] <thrice`> I think your'e just generally trolling
[10:53] <Skywise> i'm not trolling at all
[10:53] <Skywise> just basically echoing the debate earlier this week
[10:54] <thrice`> the only issue with .29.x I've noticed is tearing with UXA on 965 intel chips, which Pat patched.
[10:55] <Skywise> well my point is, its not a cut and dried choice
[10:55] Action: thrice` rolls eyes and walks away
[10:56] <Skywise> thats fine by me, i already said i didn't wanna go into it
[10:57] <TwinReverb> Skywise, thrice` it seems more like they exploited a setuid program (in this example, pulseaudio) to get root using a hole in the kernel at that point, but i'm still reading
[10:58] <Skywise> hmm
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[10:59] <eviljames> Dominian: good question.  Looks like they posted exploit code, and afaict it isn't remote.
[11:00] <eviljames> TwinReverb: and this exploit goes around the null ptr dereferencing safety net.
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[11:01] <TwinReverb> well i'd say first limit the # setuid anyways, but that's old news
[11:01] <TwinReverb> 2) i'd really like a chance to test the code, so i will
[11:01] <TwinReverb> however, if it's built and ran by root, there you go
[11:01] <eviljames> hahah
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[11:01] <TwinReverb> i will probably test it tonight
[11:01] <flame_me> setup is stuck at xf86-video-v41 ;( it's been stuck there for 15 minutes (wtf)
[11:01] <eviljames> yeah, it's not much of an exploit if you have to build and run it as root :D
[11:02] <TwinReverb> well i'm saying stuff that everyone probably already knows
[11:02] <TwinReverb> but i'll test it tonight
[11:02] <Skywise> whatabout on vm
[11:02] <eviljames> TwinReverb: let me know how it goes for you, I'm heading to work otherwise I'd test now.
[11:02] <Dominian> eviljames: I think it was more of a proof of concept.. that SELinux and AppArmor.. he could get around, but grsecurity kicked its ass lol
[11:02] <TwinReverb> i'll compile as user first, then try to run as user
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[11:03] <Skywise> i'd like to have a server on a usbdrive i could bork and just overwrite to test with
[11:03] <flame_me> is ftp.slackware.no down?
[11:04] <sahko> use a mirror
[11:04] <flame_me> I was in the middle of installing slackware
[11:05] <flame_me> not middle, almost finished, stuck at xf86-video-v41
[11:05] <TwinReverb> eviljames, congratulations, it don't work as a user, because it won't compile
[11:05] <Skywise> i would think installing over the net is bad form
[11:05] <flame_me> I don't have a cd/dvd drive
[11:05] <TwinReverb> exploit.c: Assembler messages:
[11:05] <TwinReverb> exploit.c:455: Error: Incorrect register `%rax' used with `l' suffix
[11:05] <TwinReverb> i get that with and without -m64
[11:05] <TwinReverb> on slackware 13.0 -rc1 64bit
[11:06] <flame_me> Skywise, I have no choice
[11:06] <eviljames> TwinReverb: well, I should wonder if they haven't crippled the posted code, expecting people to actually work for their sploits.
[11:06] <flame_me> all I have is usb ports and I boot with the usbboot.img
[11:06] <eviljames> but, even still, what a cheezy exploit!
[11:06] <eviljames> Dominian: good to know.
[11:06] <TwinReverb> eviljames, but that is illogical if it is intended to be a proof of concept
[11:06] <Skywise> well i'd install the basic discset and then download and install x later on
[11:07] <eviljames> TwinReverb: Not really, if I was posting exploit code publicly I would certainly cripple it.  Nothing worse than script kiddies imho.
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[11:07] Action: TwinReverb isn't even a script kiddie though
[11:07] <TwinReverb> how would one fix the problem?
[11:07] Action: eviljames didn't say you were.
[11:07] <TwinReverb> i know, i'm just making sure you know i'm not even to the script kiddie level
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[11:07] <eviljames> Dunno, I haven't grokked it yet, like I said I'm on my way out the door.
[11:07] <flame_me> is it possible to switch mirrors during the install?
[11:07] <TwinReverb> ah
[11:07] <Skywise> can script kiddies even run slackware?
[11:08] <TwinReverb> they can run scripts, so i'd think they can
[11:08] <eviljames> Skywise: doubtful, there isn't a copy / paste installer.
[11:08] <TwinReverb> haha
[11:08] <Skywise> i'd figure they'd be looking for the ok button
[11:08] <beatzz> Anyone here familure with building static kernels?
[11:08] <eviljames> k, bbl
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[11:10] <TwinReverb> shutting down ...
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[11:10] <beatzz> If my assumption is correct, 'lsmod' will show me all kernel modules loaded for my system, and if i just build those modules into a new kernel i would no longer need initrd?
[11:11] <thrice`> you don't need all of them built in, just your controller for the harddrive and root FS
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[11:13] <tewmten> hm not alot of people in the office today
[11:13] <tewmten> im wondering.. should i stay and drink beer here, or just go home
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[11:20] <_budo> your drinkin beer in an office?
[11:21] <Skywise> why can't air traffic controllers drink in the office?
[11:21] <_budo> lol
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[11:26] <seekwill> HI!!!!
[11:27] <rk4n3> tewmten:  is beer better at work than at home ?
[11:28] <rk4n3> tewmten:  ... while I understand that work is definitely better with beer, I'm not sure the reverse is necessarily true :)
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[11:29] <tewmten> well
[11:29] <tewmten> its free at the office
[11:29] <tewmten> but i think almost everyone is gone
[11:29] <twolf> nice
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[11:29] <tewmten> just gonna deploy some servers then go home i think
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[11:33] <tewmten> aight.. im gone
[11:33] <Zordrak> qemu: yo dawg, we herd you like slack, so we put a slack in your slack so you can win while you win
[11:33] <Zordrak> i'm sorry.
[11:38] <agentc0re|work> anyone know how long data would last on a bluray disk?  i know dvd's only last a couple years, is bluray the same?
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[11:40] <edman007> agentc0re|work, probably less
[11:40] <sahko> who says data on DVDs last a couple of years?
[11:40] <edman007> smaller dots means it needs less damage to make a dot unreadable
[11:41] <edman007> sahko, DVD-Rs only last a few years, the inks don't hold up well over time
[11:42] <agentc0re|work> i don't think dvd's will last much longer than 10 years or so.
[11:42] <edman007> the mass produced ones are better, as long as they are kept dry and out of the sun they will last longer
[11:42] <agentc0re|work> unless taken care of really well..just prolongs the inevitable.
[11:45] <edman007> well the DVD+/-R(W)s use ink for the medium to store data, and it kinda sucks, inks fade over time and react to light, the mass produced ones store data on the metal/plastic boundary, if kept out of light and dry they should last for much much longer since the storage location is sealed from the elements and does not degrade over time much
[11:46] <rk4n3> so, for indefinite storage, some form of media rotation seems necessary
[11:46] <rk4n3> (periodic transfer to new media, that is)
[11:46] <twolf> using quality media has got some too
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[11:49] <agentc0re|work> this is why i asked.  http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/07/17/1213203/New-DVDs-For-1000-Year-Digital-Storage?from=rss
[11:49] <InspectorCluseau> dvd-ram ... good for 50 years
[11:50] <agentc0re|work> I think that's a worthless investment.  We'll have holographic storage with in 10 years.  Tons of storage that will last for ever..
[11:51] <agentc0re|work> i mean, who the hell stores shit to 4GB or 8GB disks.  Some peoples email boxes are alone that size.
[11:51] <InspectorCluseau> best part about dvd-ram is it acts like a hard disk
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[11:52] <macavity> 'ello :-)
[11:52] <agentc0re|work> All hail macavity!
[11:53] Action: dive bows down
[11:53] <edman007> heh, i think the best option is to just use a hard drive, as time goes on, just keep upgrading the backup drive every few years, and move all your data to it, and use multiple drives to guard against failures
[11:54] <macavity> O_o
[11:54] <macavity> what did i do now? :P
[11:54] <Zordrak> edman007: thats exactly what i do
[11:55] <agentc0re|work> edman007: Yup, best way.  Harddrives ftw.
[11:55] <Zordrak> i considered every other option and decided if i want to keep the data and i occasionally want to access it.. HDD with backup is the only option
[11:55] <agentc0re|work> IMO you'd have to be an idiot to buy that "1,000 year life dvd system".
[11:55] <agentc0re|work> prove it'll last 1,000 years and i'll give you a cookie.
[11:55] <thrice`> everyone knows "the cloud" is the future
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[11:55] <agentc0re|work> other than that you're making me buy $30 dvd's and a new writer that probably costs a buttload.
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[11:56] <edman007> agentc0re|work, does it matter if the disk lasts 1,000 years? i don't think it does, because no device will be able to access it
[11:56] <agentc0re|work> thrice`: cloud city?
[11:56] <edman007> thats why you need to upgrade your backup device every few years
[11:56] <dive> thrice`, the cloud won't work in my dvd player 'invalid disc format' ;p
[11:56] <agentc0re|work> edman007: For sure, that's the other thing.  Who the hell will use that shit in 100 years from now let alone 1000.
[11:57] Action: dive still has a VHS player and a few tapes
[11:57] <agentc0re|work> score!
[11:57] <agentc0re|work> you should convert it to a tapebackup device for your pc.
[11:58] <macavity> dive: any indications as to what the contents of those tapes are? :P
[11:58] <agentc0re|work> I remember reading some where that the old vhs and svhs tapes held data really well.... or held a lot of data.. i can't remember which.
[11:58] <dive> macavity, not pr0n!
[11:58] <agentc0re|work> dive: Is today opposite day? ;)
[11:59] <dive> hha
[11:59] <macavity> dive: ah, common! good old school 80s prøn with giant hairy kitties is teh score! ;-)
[12:00] <dive> I didn't realise that dvds had such a short shelf life though...
[12:00] <agentc0re|work> speaking of porn, http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/0,39029552,49303012,00.htm
[12:00] <dive> may look into dvd ram for some stuff I want to keep
[12:00] <agentc0re|work> safe for work btw.
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[12:07] <alisonken1church> agentc0re|work: held lots of data - remember, it was still magnetic and loses the flux over time
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[12:18] <spook> thats why you need a flux capacitor
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[12:21] <eviljames> howdy ho
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[12:23] <_budo> i need to know is IT a good field to get into to
[12:24] <rk4n3> _budo:  depends - IT is a very wide topic/area, with lots of different "sub-fields"
[12:24] <_budo> are only veterans and other countries taking the jobs?
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[12:25] <spook> the thing with veterans is, sure they might have a wealth of knowledge
[12:25] <spook> but is what they know still relevant?
[12:25] <fire|bird> Greetings everyone. :)
[12:25] <rk4n3> there's a huge difference between 20 years of experience and 1 year repeated 20 times
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[12:26] <_budo> its sad they wont want to retiree and younger people need money too
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[12:26] <_budo> retire
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[12:26] <rk4n3> _budo:  younger people are very hirable - just at lower pay
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[12:26] <rk4n3> _budo:  ... as is appropriate
[12:27] <fredoslack> hi
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[12:30] <fredoslack> I surrendered to the slack 64 :(
[12:30] <fire|bird> Hello fredoslack
[12:30] <fredoslack> Hi fire|bird  :)
[12:31] <fredoslack> I am about to install Slack 32 :}
[12:31] <spook> fredoslack: how come?
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[12:32] <fredoslack> I am great
[12:32] <rk4n3> famous last words
[12:32] <rk4n3> :)
[12:32] <rk4n3> ... right up there with "Hey y'all, watch this !"
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[12:33] <spook> also, root is my normal user account
[12:33] <_budo> certification + experience  versus degree + little experience  ??
[12:33] <spook> (which it is for me on some machines)
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[12:33] <spook> _budo: experience counts a lot
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[12:34] <spook> but certifications you earn while you've got a job is good.
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[12:34] <spook> like, cisco, nortel,
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[12:35] <_budo> the question is........who are they likely to lend a chance at earning some experience?
[12:35] <rk4n3> _budo:  bottom line is, not all certifications are equal, not all education is equal, and not all experience is equal.  Your "hirability" will ultimately depend on what you can do for your employer
[12:35] <_budo> most likely*
[12:35] <spook> someone who demonstrates some knowledge and skills
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[12:36] <rk4n3> _budo:  and your employer isn't necessarily concerned or obligated with regard to giving you opportunities for learning/experience
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[12:36] <fredoslack> who's working here ?
[12:36] <_budo> okay
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[12:37] <timahvo1> I was
[12:37] <timahvo1> been looking for 6 months now
[12:37] <fredoslack> ok
[12:37] <rk4n3> fredoslack:  you mean "who here is employed" ?
[12:37] <timahvo1> cerification counts, how else will the burgers know you deserve a shot ?
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[12:37] <fredoslack> rk4n3,  yes
[12:37] <rk4n3> fredoslack:  ah ... I'm employed :)
[12:38] <spadxiii> let me add that; a good employer may be looking for someone with very little experience but a lot of ability, so they can teach the candidate the "right way" of doing things
[12:38] <fredoslack> my online translator is not very reliable :(
[12:38] <spook> which can be a bad thing for when you go for your next job
[12:38] <rk4n3> spadxiii:  agreed - but I think that's a rather smart employer - probably smarter than average
[12:38] <alisonken1church> well, I'm working too :)
[12:39] <Dominian> A good employee can adapt to any environment they work in
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[12:39] <fredoslack> rk4n3,  "who's working here" is incorrect  ?
[12:39] <alisonken1church> Dominian: unfortunately, except Windows
[12:39] <Dominian> alisonken1church: hehe
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[12:39] <rk4n3> fredoslack:  maybe not incorrect - just a little vague ... it could mean something like "who works at Freenode"
[12:39] <Dominian> Zordrak: hahahaha
[12:39] <fredoslack> ok :)
[12:39] Action: Zordrak is not looking forward to drivinc 50 miles in the rain soon...
[12:40] <fredoslack> we experienced a redundancy plan
[12:40] <Dominian> http://noobfarm.org/?id=1599
[12:40] <rk4n3> Zordrak:  that wouldn't have been a good place to fall down
[12:40] <Zordrak> rk4n3: i was leaning against the wall..
[12:40] <Zordrak> just decided to check my eyelids for leaks
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[12:41] <rk4n3> Zordrak: haha :)
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[12:42] <spook> heh
[12:43] <Zordrak> the mail server gets to stop taking in jobs when it hits 20. I dont.
[12:44] <fredoslack> good see see updates slack-current :}
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[12:46] <fredoslack> many updates have taken place recently
[12:46] <gabriel__> fredoslack, slackpkg 2.80.1 has slack13 in his mirror list
[12:46] <fredoslack> i smell a new version :p
[12:46] <fredoslack> perfect :} gabriel__
[12:46] <beatzz> anyone know anything about making a static kernel?
[12:46] <spook> fredoslack: duh.  rc1
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[12:51] <alisonken1church> beatzz: what do you mean by "static"? In the *nix world, static means all library functions are built into the binary, so no shared files are used. The kernel is already static.
[12:51] <fredoslack> provided slack13 out with kde 4.3 :}
[12:52] <alisonken1church> What you probably meant was "non-modular kernel" - where all of the driverss are part of the kernel rather than having modules that get loaded
[12:52] <spook> fredoslack: is there even a 4.3?
[12:52] <alisonken1church> 4.3 is in the works :)
[12:52] <eviljames> It's in rc at present
[12:52] <fredoslack> yes
[12:52] <fredoslack> <3
[12:52] <fire|bird> fredoslack: That may not happen for a little while, 4.3 needs policykit.
[12:52] <alisonken1church> (almost) the same as slackware 13 is in the works
[12:53] <fire|bird> and kde 4.3 is at rc2 status.
[12:53] <fredoslack> ok fire|bird
[12:53] <spook> slack 13 wont have 4.3, pretty sure.
[12:53] <eviljames> Yeah, that's what I meant, not that kde4.3 is in slack 13rc1
[12:53] <gabriel__> 1.13 July 28th, 2009: Release KDE 4.3
[12:53] <thrice`> it needs policykit, as fire|bird said, which needs to be integrated into the system (and not just "dropped in"
[12:53] <fredoslack> what a pity :(
[12:53] <eviljames> but that kde4.3 is in release candidate mode.
[12:54] <spook> 4.2 has been tested in slack for quite a while now.
[12:54] <eviljames> and works very, very well.
[12:55] <fredoslack> I confirm ;)
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[12:56] <beatzz> alisonken1church: im thinkin about building the modules into the kernel so there is no use for an initrd
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[12:56] <spook> beatzz: use huge.s
[12:56] <alisonken1church> ok - in the kernel source, just make sure that the module you want is not set to "M"
[12:56] <spook> quick and easy
[12:57] <alisonken1church> then when you compile, that driver/option will be part of the kernel and not a module
[12:57] <beatzz> spook: what would this acomplish? im not familure with huge.s besides its a kernel
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[12:58] <alisonken1church> beatzz: huge.s is the slackware kernel with the drivers built-in and not modularized.
[12:58] <spook> beatzz: it has most modules built-in already
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[12:58] <fredoslack> I had trouble with huge.s
[12:58] Nick change: Guest47944 -> gogo_hr
[12:58] <spook> hugesmp.s in 32 bit
[12:59] <beatzz> but i want my kernel to only have specificly the modules that it uses on it
[12:59] <fredoslack> ... to compile the drivers Nvidia
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[12:59] <spook> beatzz: so does everyone, but it doesnt make much difference
[12:59] <beatzz> and i belive i know which those are by 'lsmod' correct?
[13:00] <alisonken1church> beatzz: except for any removable media (like thumbdrives, webcams, and such) unless they're plugged in when you run lsmod
[13:00] <beatzz> spook: is there a way to find out exactly what modules are being used by the system, and if so, build a kernel with those specific modules only?
[13:01] <gabriel__> put all your hardware and check with lsmod?
[13:01] <spook> beatzz: not easily
[13:01] <spook> the kernel is quite complicated.
[13:01] <Urchlay> there's no automated way to do that, that I know of
[13:01] <beatzz> spook: because i would be missing modules needed for perhaps as alisonken1church said for removable media?
[13:02] <eviljames> wow - wtf is this root hole GCC's fault? (http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/921sg/root_hole_in_linux_2630_including_a_creative_new/c0b5uwx)
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[13:02] <spook> beatzz: just skim through it, and cut out anything you definately KNOW you dont need, and leave in anything you arent sure about
[13:02] <eviljames> Dominian: did you confirm that it doesn't work with grsecurity?
[13:02] <beatzz> spook: huge.s ?
[13:02] <spook> beatzz: yeah the huge.s config is a good starting point
[13:03] <fredoslack> not in my case lool
[13:04] <eviljames> Also, it's fixed in 2.6.31-rc3... so I guess I'll just put it out of mind :D
[13:04] <fredoslack> I had pulled hair
[13:05] <Dominian> eviljames: not yet
[13:05] <jumperboy> beatzz: be sure to cover your ass and include a kernel that's portable. I've saved many a machine by tossing the hard drive into a new chassis...
[13:05] Nick change: gogo_hr -> noisesinmyhead
[13:05] <spook> jumperboy: thats what boot disks are for
[13:06] <eviljames> Well, if volkerdi comes back in here wondering about which kernels to use, and which to extra/ 2.6.30 should probably not be used.
[13:06] <eviljames> or put in extra/ for that matter..
[13:06] <thrice`> eviljames: he's already patched 2.6.29.6 and put it in -current :)
[13:07] <eviljames> Though, TwinReverb said he couldn't confirm (I'm not at a Linux machine atm to test)
[13:07] <eviljames> thrice`: ahh, so he is applying the patch of video fixes pulled from 2.6.30 ?
[13:07] <thrice`> yep, so I'm guessing that's the route he chose
[13:07] <eviljames> To me, that's somewhat unexpected.. I always found that Slackware was pretty well 'pure upstream'
[13:07] <jumperboy> spook: boot disks are for wusses :)
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[13:08] <eviljames> I know there are some places that patches are used, but I wasn't expecting it in the kernel
[13:08] <spook> jumperboy: i use pxe.
[13:10] <fredoslack> Go a little beer to water my vacation :p
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[13:11] <fredoslack> celebrate *
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[13:13] <Urchlay> eviljames: interesting
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[13:14] <spook> i'm hungry
[13:14] <eviljames> Urchlay: What's that?
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[13:14] <eviljames> Urchlay: This exploit that appears to get around the null pointer deref checks/:
[13:14] <Urchlay> eviljames: the thread about the null pointer dereference in the kernel
[13:14] <eviljames> s#/:#?#
[13:15] <Urchlay> appears that the kernel should get -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks added to its CFLAGS
[13:15] <eviljames> Urchlay: It's supposed to be a root hole in 2.6.30 but limited testing by members of the channel show the exploit code to be somewhat less than functional.
[13:16] <eviljames> Urchlay: Yea, what seems to happen is that GCC checks to see if something is dereferenced, and then assumes skips the null-check when it counts.
[13:17] <eviljames> err, that was convoluted.
[13:17] <eviljames> It skips the 2nd null-check on grounds that it assumes a variable to be non null when it is deref'd earlier.
[13:19] <Urchlay> right, and -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks tells it not to do that... so the gcc team can point to that option and say "it's there; not our fault the kernel devs didn't use it"  :)
[13:19] <eviljames> hahah totally.
[13:19] <eviljames> Which is what the patch does, iirc.
[13:19] <Urchlay> ah, I hadn't even got as far as looking at the patch
[13:20] <eviljames> There's a git commit for 2.6.31 that has a fix: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=a3ca86aea507904148870946d599e07a340b39bf
[13:20] <Urchlay> ah, cool
[13:20] <eviljames> Yep, that's exactly what the patch does - Add -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks to gcc CFLAGS
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[13:22] <Urchlay> if gcc didn't have 8 zillion options, I'd have said that was a no-brainer
[13:22] <eviljames> If gcc didn't have 8 zillion options, it wouldn't be anywhere near as useful.
[13:22] <Urchlay> true
[13:22] <cadmium> hi what is a good way to retreive my pop3 email from the command line or from a console application ?
[13:22] <eviljames> cadmium: pine
[13:23] <Urchlay> pine retrieves mail or just reads it? I used to use fetchmail to retrieve and pine to read/reply
[13:23] <seekwill> telnet!
[13:23] <fredoslack> lool
[13:23] <eviljames> Urchlay: It very well could be that it's pine+fetchmail
[13:23] <alisonken1church> python pop3 lib
[13:23] <Agiofws> can someone tell me why do i get this when i try to update ...  ming   giofws@ixus:~/ming/ming$svn up Skipped '.' ?
[13:23] <seekwill> telnet localhost 110
[13:23] <cadmium> seekwill i was looking for something with more options than telnet :P
[13:23] <Urchlay> think pine does have imap built in, but not pop3 (or anyway it didn't back when I used it regularly)
[13:23] <seekwill> It has ALL the options of POP3!
[13:24] <Urchlay> cadmium: he's got you there :)
[13:24] <eviljames> it's just slightly less user friendly than a rattlesnake.
[13:24] Action: seekwill is a snake handler
[13:24] <fredoslack> You can do anything in console mode
[13:24] <fredoslack> it's great :p
[13:24] <cadmium> seekwill what about secure authentication ?
[13:24] <eviljames> We all are.  There's a classic quote: "Slackware: as user friendly as a rattlesnake."
[13:25] <seekwill> cadmium: Isn't that pop3s?
[13:25] Action: seekwill doesn't really use pop3 anymore
[13:25] <eviljames> pop3s = ssl
[13:25] <cadmium> seekwill you've got me there...
[13:25] <fredoslack> In addition the black is less tiring
[13:25] <eviljames> not authenticated pop3
[13:25] <fredoslack> it seems
[13:25] <eviljames> fredoslack: And it's better on the environment.
[13:25] <Urchlay> cadmium: fetchmail, seriously... there are other clients that do the same thing too
[13:25] <eviljames> (black screens use less energy than white)
[13:25] <fredoslack> really eviljames  ?
[13:26] <alisonken1church> Urchlay: I remember pine as pop3 only - it was only later that imap was added
[13:26] <seekwill> eviljames: USER / PASS ?
[13:26] <seekwill> That's authentication
[13:26] <cadmium> i'm gonna try pine now :)
[13:26] <twolf> alpine
[13:26] <rob0> root
[13:26] <Agiofws> fetchmail + mutt + procmail + sendmail ..
[13:26] <rob0> drowssap
[13:26] <eviljames> fredoslack: I'm googling for the article that supports my assertion, sec :P
[13:26] <BP{k}> eviljames: isn't that rattlesnake quote by one of the creators of zenwalk or something?
[13:26] <fredoslack> Does it consumes less energy
[13:26] <rk4n3> cadmium:  if you haven't tried mutt, I'd try that before pine
[13:26] <rob0> oh damn this wasn't a login screen
[13:26] <eviljames> BP{k}: Wish I knew, then I could attribute it.  It makes me giggle tho :P
[13:26] <Agiofws> lol
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[13:27] <alisonken1church> rob0: tiem for noobfarm again :)
[13:27] <BP{k}> eviljames: one sec, stand by
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[13:27] <macavity> the SKP flag in the slackware tagfiles is the answer to all my prayers :-)
[13:28] <rob0> rob0
[13:28] Action: macavity start creating a mass deployment install media generation script
[13:28] <rob0> uCan'tGuessThis1!
[13:28] <eviljames> oops.  Turns out that my black vs. white screen assertion is no longer true.
[13:28] <Urchlay> "O Lord, we beseech thee, give us this day a flag which alloweth us to skip packages we do not wish to install. In Thy name, Amen."
[13:28] <rk4n3> eviljames:  was that for CRT's ?
[13:28] <eviljames> It _WAS_ true for CRT monitors, but LCD ones use less energy on White screens it seems.
[13:28] <rk4n3> ah
[13:29] <BP{k}> eviljames: it was from one of the creators of VectorLinux and the full quote is: ""Slackware has been traditionally known to be about as user friendly as a coiled rattlesnake"
[13:29] <eviljames> rk4n3: CRTs are intuitively obvious why this is true; the beam doesn't fire on black sections (or at least as much iirc)
[13:29] <Skywise> only if you're dumb
[13:29] <Urchlay> eviljames: black screens are a lot nicer to your eyes (white screens are like reading a piece of paper with a spotlight behind it)
[13:29] <cadmium> yeah only if your dumb...
[13:29] <rob0> Rattlesnakes are yummy. Just stay away from the pointy end.
[13:29] <rk4n3> lol
[13:29] <gabriel__> how i can convert the mic input to a output?
[13:30] <Urchlay> rob0: do they taste like chicken?
[13:30] <alisonken1church> gabriel__: with a soldering iron
[13:30] <gabriel__> hah
[13:30] <eviljames> gabriel__: If it were possible, it would be in asound.conf - but I sincerely don't think you can do that.
[13:30] <gabriel__> wait
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[13:30] <rob0> mmmm chicken
[13:31] <eviljames> Doves kinda taste like chicken.
[13:31] <Urchlay> eviljames: some cards/chips have that as an option (they have 2 physical jacks, and the 2nd one can either be mic in or surround channels 3/4 out)
[13:31] <alisonken1church> goose most _definitely_ does _not_ taste like chicken
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[13:31] <Urchlay> I dunno if alsa supports that though
[13:31] <rk4n3> wait - if everything tastes like chicken, how do we know what chicken tastes like ?
[13:31] <alisonken1church> the other white meat?
[13:31] <eviljames> Urchlay: Indeed, which is why the asound.conf suggestion applies - but depending on the card it may not be possible..
[13:31] <Florine> wat r u doin here ?
[13:31] <Urchlay> rk4n3: because it tastes like everything else? I dunno...
[13:31] Action: rob0 goes off to load up a plate of grilled chicken
[13:32] <Florine> heyy
[13:32] <eviljames> rk4n3: Here's the problem: not all chicken tastes the same.  Not even close.
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[13:32] <Urchlay> next time I eat chicken, I'll make it a point to say "mmmm, tastes like alligator!"
[13:32] <rk4n3> heh
[13:32] <eviljames> rk4n3: Corn-fed tends to be tougher, and disgusting (imho) while Grain-fed is soft & delicious.
[13:32] <eviljames> Then again, someone from the southern states where corn is used may say the opposite.
[13:32] <Skywise> that just means it has a mild flavor
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[13:33] <rk4n3> eviljames:  hmm ... interesting.  How can I go about finding chicken raised a particular way ?  I wouldn't mind trying the grain-fed variety ...
[13:33] <rob0> mmmm alligator ... Yankee-fed is the best!
[13:33] <Skywise> eviljames, right and grass fed is just lean and tasteless
[13:33] <Urchlay> rob0 :)
[13:33] Action: eviljames used to butcher and learned a *little* bit about it.
[13:33] <Skywise> oh i thought you meant cows
[13:33] <eviljames> Skywise: Cows follow the same rule imho.
[13:33] <Skywise> eviljames, yeah thats why i agreed :)
[13:33] <eviljames> rk4n3: For cows it's usually easy.  Get some locally grown beef, and then get some Alberta beef.
[13:34] <Skywise> canadian beef is grain fed
[13:34] <rk4n3> aha
[13:34] <eviljames> almost exclusively.
[13:34] <Skywise> its better then american beef
[13:34] Action: eviljames <- butchered in Alberta at an all-organic farm.
[13:34] <Skywise> they don't allow hormones or antibiotics either
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[13:34] <Skywise> i shop a whole foods in america, they import canadian beff
[13:34] <Urchlay> so if a canadian cow gets bitten by a zomibe, it becomes undead and shambles around the pasture going "graaaainnnzzz!"
[13:34] <eviljames> Sure, they're allowed.. but most farms don't use them.  It's really just the big industrial operations that do so.
[13:35] <Urchlay> s/zomibe/zombie/
[13:35] <rk4n3> Urchlay:  lol
[13:35] <eviljames> and, even still, our version of the FDA is much, much more strict.
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[13:36] <Zordrak> anyone know of any basic app{let}s for clocking in/clocking out -- want to better capture my hours
[13:36] <eviljames> yay Scientific American! http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=fact-or-fiction-black-is
[13:36] <eviljames> Zordrak: I don't know of any basic ones, but kde4's Kontact has a mechanism for tracking hours.
[13:37] <alisonken1church> Zordrak: KOrganizer
[13:37] <macavity> Zordrak: ktimetracker?
[13:38] <Zordrak> ta peeps will inv
[13:38] <eviljames> Looks like we all agree - the kde solution works best :D
[13:39] <fredoslack> ^^
[13:41] <rk4n3> how about gtimer ?
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[13:41] <rk4n3> ... or gtimelog
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[13:42] <Zordrak> its all a bit complex.. perhaps i need a pap losution
[13:42] <Zordrak> *solution
[13:42] <alisonken1church> pap?
[13:43] <Zordrak> pen and paper :)
[13:43] <alisonken1church> :)
[13:43] <rk4n3> well, if you're willing to go that lo-tek, why not just a text file then ?
[13:43] <Zordrak> just need t remember to write down day start/stop times
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[13:44] <Zordrak> text file would worm its way out of my memory.. but using a piece of paper on the noteboard, or on my whiteboard would better remind me to do it
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[13:44] <illuz1oN> Be back tomorrow.
[13:44] Last message repeated 2 time(s).
[13:44] <rk4n3> well, to each his own I guess ...
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[13:44] <alisonken1church> Well, they do say it takes three ....
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[13:45] <alisonken1church> or - third times a charm
[13:45] <illuz1oN> I didn't know amsg done it through servers
[13:45] <illuz1oN> Sorry >.<
[13:45] <beatzz> So, im going to begin the setup of my server now that my laptop is pimped out
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[13:46] <beatzz> should i start up an email server or file server first?
[13:46] <alisonken1church> file server
[13:46] <beatzz> i kinda wana do email, just cause that would be pimp
[13:46] <beatzz> then DNS
[13:46] <beatzz> file server would b cool cause then i could mirror for slack
[13:46] <Urchlay> do whichever you need the most
[13:46] <Zordrak> beatzz: if you tie your left shoe first do mail first.. if you tie your right shoe first do fs first
[13:46] <alisonken1church> start with the basics first, then build up.
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[13:47] <alisonken1church> although I like Zordrak's idea of how to figure out milestones :)
[13:48] <beatzz> problem with it is, i dont tie either of my shoes o_o
[13:48] <alisonken1church> then build a webserver
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[13:48] <Zordrak> then you need a pap solution
[13:49] Action: Zordrak is off to drive 50 miles in the rain while dangerously tired.. see y'all on the day of Mon.
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[13:56] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: http://lwn.net/Articles/341840/ ^^
[13:57] <fredoslack> Come, but do not come when I'm alone
[13:57] <fredoslack> Which singer do you think ;)
[13:58] <eviljames> hahahah
[13:58] <fire|bird> Hey Camarade_Tux, how's it going?
[13:58] <eviljames> WTF is that all about Camarade_Tux ?
[13:58] <fredoslack> A great french singer :)
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[13:59] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: 1: the notion of 'health care delays' in Canada is generated falsely by American lobbyists, and 2: Canadians who go to America for care do so on the public system's dime.
[13:59] <eviljames> Sounds like a bunch of fud.
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[14:00] <Camarade_Tux> bah, she left
[14:00] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: yeah, I know ;)
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[14:00] <kleanchap> I can drag-n-drop files to XP VM but not to Slackware VM on VMware.  What would be the configuration trick to enable for Slackware VM as well?   I am using the VM appliance created by bagvapp.
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[14:01] <Camarade_Tux> parmesano: how to pretend you're not doing pastas because you have nothing else to eat :)
[14:01] <eviljames> WTF is that kind of FUD doing on lwn anyway?
[14:01] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: fine, thanks, and you ? :)
[14:01] <eviljames> Doesn't it belong on slashdot?
[14:01] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: doing excellent, thank you. :)
[14:01] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: the mini-article contains "obama" and "reform", that's enough to make a troll ;)
[14:02] <eviljames> ugh, those folks are 'tarded.
[14:03] <fredoslack> You do not want to exchange one against a Obama Sarko  Camarade_Tux  :)
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[14:05] <eviljames> I love it when clients demand that you call them right away for training, then they don't even know how to operate their own phone system and repeatedly hang up on you.
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[14:05] <eviljames> It makes you feel very confident that the training seminar you're about to waste..err..spend an hour of your life on is going to go well.
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[14:07] <eviljames> le sigh.  j'pense que mon vendredi me faire chier :(
[14:07] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: did that make sense ^ ?
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[14:07] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: not gramatically correct but perfectly understandable ;)
[14:08] <Camarade_Tux> I think you meant : "j'pense que mon vendredi *va* me faire chier"
[14:08] <kleanchap> I am running "slapt-get --update" and getting the following error message......
[14:08] <fredoslack> eviljames,  ah je comprend le français lol
[14:08] <kleanchap> Retrieving package data [ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-12.2/]...Failed to download: Access denied to remote resource
[14:08] <eviljames> kleanchap: step 1: removepkg slapt-get
[14:08] <kleanchap> Sources failed to download, correct sources and rerun --update
[14:09] <Skywise> all i can say in french now is: je ne parlez pas francais
[14:09] <fredoslack> yes My Friday is completed it is twenty hours at home
[14:09] <fredoslack> -yes
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[14:09] <Camarade_Tux> kleanchap: rule 1- do not mention the slackware club
[14:09] <Camarade_Tux> eerrr, not that one
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[14:09] <Camarade_Tux> rule 1 : don't use slackware.com as your source for updates, use a local mirror
[14:10] <fredoslack> it's time of an aperitif lool
[14:10] <Skywise> i only read readmes off slackware.com
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[14:10] <Skywise> to get files i use a mirror
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[14:10] <aceofspades19> I have my own mirror on my lan :D
[14:10] <Skywise> but mirrors don't always have the readmes
[14:10] <Camarade_Tux> http://slackware.com/getslack/
[14:10] <macavity> kleanchap: ftp.slackware.no is exceptoinally fast
[14:11] <Camarade_Tux> I have my own mirror on sdb1 :D
[14:11] <fire|bird> Hey macavity. How are you?
[14:11] <macavity> kleanchap: i get some ~650KB/s
[14:11] <macavity> fire|bird: good you?
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[14:11] <macavity> anyways.. time to do some dinner
[14:11] <fire|bird> macavity: doing excellent, thanks. :)
[14:11] <aceofspades19> my server syncs to ftp.slackware.com every night at 12 am
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[14:12] <eviljames> ugh, I have to disappear for an hour, this call is going BADLY :(
[14:12] <antiwire> in -current, after the last batch of updates, none of my tool bar icons near the clock show up
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[14:12] <fire|bird> antiwire: I'm having that same issue now. :(
[14:12] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: remember, DO NOT threaten him!
[14:12] <fredoslack> with KDE, ananke
[14:12] <fredoslack> antiwire *  ?
[14:12] <Camarade_Tux> reminds me I have to update the X parts, thanks rworkma* :)
[14:13] <antiwire> yes kde4
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[14:13] <sahko> last updates = xorg 1.6.2?
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[14:14] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: I'm just going to hang up, these people can't operate a phone - let alone a computer... I deal with idiots all the time and they drive me crazy.
[14:14] <eviljames> Right now I'm having to explain what "save.." and "open.." do... yikes.
[14:15] <Skywise> i stopped doint that kind of support
[14:15] <fire|bird> eviljames: they don't know that much?
[14:15] <Camarade_Tux> save : deletes everything, open : calls your wife :)
[14:15] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: lol
[14:15] <eviljames> fire|bird: No.
[14:15] <fire|bird> yikes ++
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[14:16] <Skywise> those people will then hold you responsible for everything they do wrong
[14:18] <Skywise> i usually tell them that the answer wouldn't make sense to them cause they don't know what the words mean
[14:18] <eviljames> Skywise: Worse, they have memories like goldfish.  Multi-clause sentences are impossible to use, because they only remember the most recent bit said to them.
[14:18] <Skywise> hehe
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[14:18] <Skywise> buffer overrun
[14:19] <eviljames> so: "Click start menu, then Control Panel and find the Display settings" - a:"Where do I find DIsplay whateveR?"
[14:19] <Skywise> you know what i hate is when you ask if they see something and they say no, they're not at their computer and are writing things down to do later
[14:20] <thumbs> eviljames: I deal with customers like that every day
[14:20] <Skywise> and people think homer simpson's "where's the anykey?" is just a made up joke
[14:21] <eviljames> thumbs: Goldfish people seems to be a uniquely American phenomenon.
[14:21] <aceofspades19> I don't update current for a day and there are a huge amount of updates
[14:21] <aceofspades19> ugggh
[14:21] <thumbs> eviljames: yeah, I found that too.
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[14:21] <Skywise> do you know why 911 is advertised as nine one one instead of nine eleven?
[14:21] <Skywise> because people actually were calling the operator asking wheres the eleven key
[14:21] <eviljames> STFU
[14:22] <Skywise> i kid you not
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[14:22] <fire|bird> quick, what's the number for 911? :D
[14:23] <eviljames> The real # is 9-1-2
[14:23] <Skywise> thats  stonecutter's secret
[14:24] Action: Skywise wonders how many people died desparately seeking the 11 key and didn't figure out to call the operator
[14:25] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: goldfish people are a uniquely american phenomenon? would you like to see my mother? ;)
[14:25] <Camarade_Tux> s/see/meet/
[14:25] <eviljames> I met her.  She's an animal in the sack!
[14:25] <fire|bird> lol
[14:25] <Skywise> america has been exporting dumbness since we could
[14:25] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: right! next to your mom!
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[14:27] <BP{k}> http://www.penumbragame.com/ "All three games can be purchased as a collection for about $5(this weekend!), they are also available as single purchases for about $10 each."
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[14:29] <Camarade_Tux> hehe :P
[14:29] <fire|bird> Heya BP{k}, how are you?
[14:30] <sahko> no 64bit version
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[14:32] <kleanchap> What is the best tool to keep slackware up to date?
[14:32] <Skywise> you
[14:32] <BP{k}> kleanchap: you and upgradepkg.
[14:37] <antiwire> fire|bird: I think some KDE4 packages need to be rebuilt after those last changes were added
[14:37] <BP{k}> fire|bird: I am good :) it's weekend.
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[14:39] <fire|bird> antiwire: probably. Which ones affect the system tray?
[14:39] <antiwire> fire|bird: I'm going to start with kdelibs
[14:39] <antiwire> that is where libkdeui.so and libplasma.so come from
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[14:40] <slak> sup sup supsp suu spusps
[14:40] <fire|bird> It was working fine yesterday. I updated, then restarted the pc, it still worked fine, now today it doesn't.
[14:40] <BP{k}> fire|bird: plus not to mention a couple of good beers in the fridge :) How are you?
[14:40] <fire|bird> BP{k}: :). doing excellent,  thank you.
[14:42] <eviljames> BP{k}: which good beers?  Piraat I hope!
[14:43] <slak> man lpi tests became so expensive ... darn!
[14:43] <Skywise> D.A.P. is my favorite beer, but its hard to get
[14:43] Action: thrice` is still at work :(
[14:43] <BP{k}> eviljames: Duvel, Leffe Brown, Hoegaarden.
[14:44] <eviljames> Great selections all around!
[14:44] <antiwire> fire|bird: Well at least you have the same problem. That's at least a sign that it isn't something only I have jacked up.
[14:44] <Skywise> its best in germany in a glass mug chilled until it has  a thin sheet of ice on top
[14:45] <Skywise> its soo good to drink, i wish it wasn't alcoholic so i could drink more
[14:45] <fire|bird> antiwire: heh, yeah. I wonder why it sort of was delayed for me. Everything was fine yesterday with it. :P
[14:45] <antiwire> fire|bird: I upgraded to the lasted -current packages in RL1 and then rebooted after the update into RL4 and it started showing this behavior.
[14:45] <Camarade_Tux> "The plural of spouse is spice." ^^
[14:46] <antiwire> lasted/latest
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[14:46] <Skywise> so thats what the spice of life is about
[14:46] <Skywise> i've been doing it wrong all this time
[14:46] <fire|bird> antiwire: I did the same, only am booting to rl3. I restarted after the updates as well.
[14:48] <Skywise> you see any messages on the text console?
[14:48] <Skywise> i always set my linux boxes to echo syslog on to tty8
[14:49] <fire|bird> antiwire: heh, plasma just crashed on me and I seen one icon in the system tray. :P
[14:51] <Skywise> my guess is that some enviroment var was set during install that wasn't preserved during reboot
[14:51] <Skywise> the file system prolly hasn't changed
[14:51] <antiwire> oh man wtf
[14:52] <antiwire> how I can make plasma crash?
[14:52] <spook> play with widgets
[14:52] <Skywise> run outlook on it?
[14:52] <fire|bird> antiwire: not sure. What I was doing was trying to add some plasmoids I got from kde-look.org and it failed and then plasma crashed.
[14:53] <Skywise> so many *oids jokes come to mind, but how to choose
[14:54] <fire|bird> lol
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[14:57] <spook> hemeroids!
[14:58] <fire|bird> Skywise: two *oids walk into a bar? :P
[14:59] <spook> with prices like these i'm not surprised!
[14:59] <Skywise> ba da bump
[14:59] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird, antiwire, mesa?
[14:59] <antiwire> ?
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[15:00] <antiwire> I applied all of the updates in the last batch so it could be anything.
[15:00] <Camarade_Tux> have you tried reverting back to an older version of mesa? recent versions caused quite a lot of problems
[15:00] <antiwire> however, composting and 3d still work fine
[15:00] <antiwire> compositing**
[15:01] <Camarade_Tux> I don't know why but I think it could easily be the problem (and it's quick to check)
[15:01] <antiwire> k
[15:02] Action: jeev scratches ass
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[15:03] <eviljames> Ugh.  Goldfish call complete.  Now to do something fun!
[15:03] Action: macavity scratches jeevs ass too... with a pair of red hot pliers
[15:03] <fire|bird> lol
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[15:03] <jeev> macavity, that's rude
[15:03] <eviljames> jeev never said he was scratching his own ass.  Just _an_ ass.
[15:03] <antiwire> no S&M allowed
[15:04] <jeev> eviljames, that's what i was talking about.. YOUR head
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[15:04] <eviljames> Might've been the ass of a beautiful persian woman!  (and, no doubt, persian women are hawt)
[15:04] <eviljames> jeev: Perhaps you failed anatomy class.  The ass is not located on the head.
[15:04] <macavity> s/persian/some persian/
[15:04] <eviljames> granted.
[15:05] <fire|bird> eviljames: although some heads do look like one. :D
[15:05] <jeev> eviljames, you're head looks like one
[15:05] <eviljames> fire|bird: Some chins too.
[15:05] <macavity> my buddy is turkish.. his better half is droooooling hot :P
[15:05] <fire|bird> eviljames: indeed.
[15:05] <eviljames> jeev: It appears you've also failed English class: s/you're/your/
[15:05] <jeev> yea i was looking at someone else
[15:05] <jeev> turd.
[15:05] <jeev> something else
[15:05] <jeev> <- off today, will get kicked soon by bot for flooding
[15:05] <aceofspades19> I'm having a lot of problems with my -current vm, I tried updating it this morning and kde locked up so I had to reset it and now it won't respond to my mouse at all(in kde)
[15:05] <eviljames> Further, I'm quite hawt - Camarade_Tux keeps trying to get me into bed.
[15:06] <macavity> s/flooding/being rude/
[15:06] <jeev> eviljames, Camarade_Tux is trying to get EVERYONE in bed
[15:06] <jeev> macavity, you're going to get kicked for seding too much.
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[15:06] <macavity> try me :P
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[15:07] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: come on eviljames, just give up :)
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[15:08] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: the other day you wanted eviljames' gf to come to Paris, now you want eviljames? :P
[15:08] <antiwire> Camarade_Tux / fire|bird: well I'm at a loss. only the last set of updates caused a problem and the mesa update in the batch of Wed Jul 15 20:51:29 CDT 2009 didn't cause this.
[15:08] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: I want both :)
[15:08] <antiwire> I think it must be something to do with the xorg changes
[15:08] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: :O
[15:08] <antiwire> maybe kde needs to be rebuilt now
[15:08] <Camarade_Tux> antiwire: is the problem *only* in kde?
[15:08] <antiwire> fire|bird: you using kde?
[15:09] <fire|bird> antiwire: yes, kde4.
[15:09] <antiwire> k
[15:09] <antiwire> I guess I could try xfce but I've never use dit
[15:09] <antiwire> used it*
[15:09] <aceofspades19> is everyone having the same problem I am?
[15:09] <macavity> what is the specific problem again?
[15:09] <Camarade_Tux> aceofspades19: keyboard still working in your -current vm?
[15:09] <macavity> antiwire: ^^
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[15:09] <antiwire> aceofspades19: icons missing in system tray but the area is still clickable?
[15:10] <aceofspades19> Camarade_Tux: yeah
[15:10] <antiwire> macavity: ^
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[15:10] <macavity> roger
[15:10] <aceofspades19> antiwire: no, kde doesn't respond to mouse input
[15:10] <macavity> havent observed
[15:10] <dive> I'm updating right now so I will test in a few mins
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[15:10] <macavity> antiwire: did you get the qt update in the last batch?
[15:10] <dive> some xorg updates I notice
[15:10] <antiwire> so far fire|bird and I have the same issue
[15:10] <Camarade_Tux> aceofspades19: and tried another vm? (the mouse problem is probably not related to kde)
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[15:10] <eviljames> aceofspades19: I saw a pretty hardcore lockup on kde4/intel graphics on rc1 where the whole UI would lockup and not accept events from keyboard or mouse
[15:10] <eviljames> BUT the mouse would still move.
[15:11] <antiwire> macavity: yes, everything was fine until I applied the updates from Thu Jul 16 19:25:26 CDT 2009
[15:11] <aceofspades19> eviljames: I had that happened to me just before this
[15:11] <aceofspades19> I had to reset it
[15:11] <Camarade_Tux> aceofspades19: or, does the cursor move?
[15:11] <macavity> eviljames: Intel 945?
[15:11] <eviljames> ctrl-alt-bkspace and ctrl-alt-del did not work, phyiscal powerdown required.
[15:11] <aceofspades19> Camarade_Tux: the cursor moves
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[15:11] <eviljames> macavity: ummm. G33 I think, but same vein of chips.
[15:11] <aceofspades19> eviljames: thats the problem I keep getting every so often
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[15:11] <dive> there are some alternative Intel drivers in /extra
[15:11] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: bah : Alt+PrintScreen+R and then Alt+F2 :)
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[15:11] <eviljames> aceofspades19: Upgrade to latest intel driver - 2.7.9.99 or something along those lines.
[15:11] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: Changing tty did not work either.
[15:11] <macavity> eviljames: try specifying accel method UXA in xorg.conf
[15:11] <antiwire> macavity: Now, my system tray in kde4 has the correct size and each icon area is clackable still but the icons in the system tray themselves don't show
[15:11] <macavity> eviljames: that mixed it for me
[15:12] <eviljames> aceofspades19: I could ssh to the machien still, so the kernel was still functioning, but it was certainly an xorg problem.
[15:12] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: even after Alt+SysRq+R?
[15:12] <antiwire> clickable*
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[15:12] <eviljames> macavity: Updating the driver to a package that Pat had made seemed to resolve it for me.
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[15:12] <aceofspades19> my windows xp vm works fine
[15:12] <macavity> eviljames: lol!
[15:12] <aceofspades19> so its not vm relateded
[15:12] <eviljames> macavity: I used to get that lockup after 10-20 minutes of use, but no more after going to 2.7.99... or whatever the version is.
[15:12] <eviljames> (not at the machine atm)
[15:12] <macavity> antiwire: try downgrading the Qt update first.. that is the one i find the most likely to cause this
[15:13] <eviljames> aceofspades19: Oh, that's in a VM and not bare HW?
[15:13] <aceofspades19> eviljames: yes
[15:13] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: Alt+SysRq+R has the power to give back keyboard and mouse to the kernel and not to X
[15:13] <antiwire> macavity: Won't that break my system at this point?
[15:13] <Camarade_Tux> if X is dead it won't let you switch VT, but the kernel will
[15:13] <aceofspades19> VirtualBox to be more specific
[15:13] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: Oh, I might've not tried that.. but in this lockup kiling X from an ssh session would NOT resolve the problem.
[15:13] <antiwire> macavity: there was no Qt update in Thu Jul 16 19:25:26 CDT 2009 and prior to that batch everything was fine
[15:13] <macavity> antiwire: better keep both packages handy.. but no, it should not
[15:13] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: It would leave me with a black screen, restarting X had no effect, trying to change TTY had no effect... physical powerdown required.
[15:14] <macavity> antiwire: hang on, i will look up the specific dates
[15:14] <eviljames> aceofspades19: VBox 3?
[15:14] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: Alt+SysRq+R is the sysrq I'm using most often now...
[15:14] <aceofspades19> eviljames: correct
[15:14] <macavity> eviljames: oh, UXA is the default on both KMS and UMS in what will become 2.8
[15:14] <jeev> comrad, how do you like the VPS i gave you
[15:14] <eviljames> macavity: Yep, I'm aware.. been following the developments (thought not closely) on the xorg list.
[15:14] <macavity> eviljames: in short, you did as i reccomended.. just in a slightly differet way :P
[15:14] <eviljames> macavity: and long before you recommended it :P
[15:15] <fire|bird> The qt update was July 11
[15:15] <macavity> eviljames: i track intel-gfx, xorg, mesa-dev and mesa-users
[15:15] <Camarade_Tux> jeev: it shines ><
[15:15] <eviljames> Now if pkg.sun.com would stop dropping my connection I could update vbox3.0.0 -> vbox3.0.2 on this osol machine and I'd be a happy camper.
[15:15] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: hahaha :P
[15:15] <eviljames> macavity: Those are all good lists, full of really bright folks.
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[15:16] <antiwire> I only had issues after all of the updates in Thu Jul 16 19:25:26 CDT 2009. All prior batches didn't cause this problem for me
[15:16] <macavity> i still dont grok even the tiniest bit of the source.. despite having stared intensely at it for ages
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[15:16] <hiptobecubic^> Anyone notice that the new /etc/slackpkg/slackpkg.conf is wrong? "Remember, the only official Slackware ports are x86, s390 and arm ..."
[15:17] <dive> antiwire, this is all related to Intel driver?
[15:17] <antiwire> dive: not for me
[15:17] <dive> ok
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[15:17] <beatzz> sup all
[15:17] <beatzz> im so bored
[15:17] <macavity> WOHA
[15:17] <macavity> antiwire: let me get back to you on this.. i missed this batch
[15:17] <antiwire> macavity: k thanks
[15:19] <fire|bird> brb
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[15:19] <macavity> damn.. i must have missed this batch of updates by mere secconds
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[15:21] <fire|bird> antiwire: disable the nvidia driver...icons are there with just nv.
[15:21] <antiwire> great.
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[15:21] <antiwire> GD nvidia driver
[15:21] <macavity> ok.. RC1 my ass :P
[15:21] <antiwire> macavity: same issues?
[15:21] <antiwire> similar mayhem?
[15:21] <macavity> hang on.. still sucking the intarwebs for packages
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[15:22] <macavity> i shall maintain that 13.0Beta1 would have been a more appropriate label :P
[15:22] <thrice`> it's not slackware's fault that kde is a piece of shit
[15:23] <eviljames> uh
[15:23] <macavity> uhm, it was the combined number of updates since rc1 was tagged that made me comment
[15:23] <eviljames> The main DE alternative is gnome.  I'd say we're definitely goign with the significantly lesser of 2 evils.
[15:23] <macavity> i have very few problems with KDE
[15:23] <thrice`> :)
[15:23] Action: reallove prefers xfce 
[15:24] <macavity> and most the time it uses less than 300MB RAM
[15:24] <reallove> lighter,runs even on my old hardware
[15:24] Action: aceofspades19 prefers fluxbox
[15:24] <eviljames> I don't know what it is about gnome that annoys me so much.  It's just not kde-ish enough for me.
[15:24] Action: eviljames prefers kde4 (yes, really, seriously, I do.)
[15:24] <Alan_Hicks> eviljames: gconf
[15:24] <macavity> with yakuak, irssi, ktorrent, kmail, ksysguard, some plamsoids and konqueror with three tabs
[15:24] <aceofspades19> too many people hate kde 4 just because kde 4.0 sucked
[15:24] <macavity> eviljames: likewise :-)
[15:25] <macavity> aceofspades19: and kde 4.1 too :P
[15:25] <aceofspades19> that too
[15:25] <aceofspades19> and the stupid distro maintianers that put kde 4.0 and 4.1 in their distros
[15:25] <eviljames> Alan_Hicks: It appears osol ships without that particular tool?
[15:25] <eviljames> Alan_Hicks: That's the only place I use gnome at all.
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[15:26] <aceofspades19> thank god I finally got to a tty so I can update without kde locking up
[15:26] Action: nix_chix0r looks around for missyjane
[15:26] <thrice`> eviljames: it's not possible to have gnome without gconf :)
[15:26] <antiwire> i think nix_chix0r is missyjane's alternate personality
[15:27] <fire|bird> lol
[15:27] <nix_chix0r> naww
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[15:27] <fredoslack>  I'll wait night and day
[15:27] <Skywise> well the odds of 2 women being on a linux slackware channel at once are astronomical
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[15:28] <fire|bird> Skywise: it's happened here though. :)
[15:28] <fredoslack> still awayyyyyy
[15:28] <dive> antiwire, just tried updates from Thu Jul 16 19:25:26 CDT 2009 with xfce and kde4. Can't see any problems with icons in systray
[15:28] <aceofspades19> what the hell
[15:28] <fredoslack> await *
[15:28] <thrice`> I don't think missyjane is female
[15:28] <fire|bird> dive: switching to nv from nvidia fixed it for me.
[15:28] <aceofspades19> slackware seems to have locked up without kde running
[15:28] <dive> hmm
[15:28] <aceofspades19> I was only running slackpkg and it stopped responding to any key presses
[15:28] <macavity> ohly fuck
[15:28] <Skywise> i think i'm gonna change my mailserver policy to drop spam instead of bounce
[15:29] <antiwire> dive: fire|bird's test is suggesting that the nvidia driver is having issues which doesn't surprise me. Under 2.6.29.* it works fine but under 2.6.30* it will allow 3D accel but not compositing. I think and update is due for that driver soon
[15:29] <macavity> Package slackpkg-2.71.2-noarch-1 upgraded with new package ./slackpkg-2.80.1-noarch-2.tgz.
[15:29] <macavity> grep: /var/lib/slackpkg/pkglist: No such file or directory Package udev-141-i486-3.txz is already in cache - not downloading
[15:29] <jeev> can anyone check out this shell script i stole from a mailing list? i just need it to add up all the lines, it's like 4-5 lines
[15:29] <macavity> etc etc etc... it just kept going and going
[15:29] <dive> antiwire, right. I can't test nvidia driver until 13 is released because I keep to stable on that box.
[15:29] Action: aceofspades19 throws a large brick at his slackware -current vm
[15:30] <jeev> http://www.pastebin.ca/1498587
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[15:30] <fire|bird> antiwire: They had updated the driver I use to 173.14.20, which fixed the compositing not working in 2.6.30, but now with this July 16 batch of updates, the system tray icons were messed up, so \o/ we await an update to the nvidia driver again. :P
[15:30] <antiwire> good lord.
[15:31] Action: Camarade_Tux uses 185
[15:31] <antiwire> well, I guess that's better than nothing
[15:31] <thrice`> fire|bird: did you rebuild the driver?
[15:31] <aceofspades19> Why is my slackware current vm locking up without x running?!
[15:31] <antiwire> I already tried rebuilding the nvidia driver, same issue happens
[15:31] <fire|bird> thrice`: yeah.
[15:31] <fire|bird> that didn't fix this system tray icon thing though, but switching to nv did.
[15:31] <Urchlay> more Unicode testing: Ðóè_ ¹k …øU8?
[15:31] <fire|bird> Urchlay: does for me
[15:31] <dartmouth> aceofspades19: because you're doing it wrong
[15:31] <dive> Urchlay, yes
[15:32] <Camarade_Tux> Urchlay: I think so
[15:32] <Urchlay> cool. That was typed in vim using the ctrl-K compose character, then copy/pasted into irssi
[15:32] <aceofspades19> dartmouth: I'm afraid you will have to be more specific
[15:32] <antiwire> brb
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[15:32] <dartmouth> aceofspades19: so do you
[15:33] <Urchlay> ctrl-K D -   <--- gives a Ð character while in insert mode. I can actually sort-of remember the key combos...
[15:33] <Camarade_Tux> meh, it's standard on the keyboard! ¬åâ¶ôçûþýÛ :)
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[15:33] <dartmouth> hrm
[15:33] <dartmouth> does nothing for me
[15:33] <beatzz> is there anywere to download slackware 1.o?
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[15:34] <ktos> Hi
[15:34] <beatzz> and run it on a vm or something?
[15:34] <Camarade_Tux> beatzz: 1.0, no, 1.1.2, yes ;)
[15:34] <aceofspades19> dartmouth: well I was in a tty without x running and I was running slackpkg to update my machine and it stopped responding to any input
[15:34] <kleanchap> How do I install with SlackBuild?
[15:34] <beatzz> Camarade_Tux: can u link me?
[15:34] <ktos> In sendmail in Virtual user table I can set some address e.g info@mydomain.com to local user e.g root. Tell me please how can I set info@* to root ?
[15:34] <Urchlay> Camarade_Tux: (a) I'm using a US keyboard, and (b) there are nowhere near enough keys on a regular keyboard to be able to type all 32000-whatever unicode characters...
[15:34] <kleanchap> This tool is new to me.
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[15:34] <Camarade_Tux> beatzz: yes, I can create a privileged link between you and me :)
[15:34] <Camarade_Tux> ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-1.1.2/
[15:35] <Camarade_Tux> Urchlay: you only need to compose ;)
[15:35] <dartmouth> aceofspades19: try starting up the machine again and giving details on the behaviour
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[15:35] <dive> kleanchap, there's a HowTo on slackbuilds.org
[15:35] <dartmouth> you probably just upgraded a critical package that you weren't supposed to touch due to the resources being currently in use.
[15:35] <fire|bird> kleanchap: www.slackbuilds.org/howto
[15:35] <dartmouth> shouldn't happen like that, but i've seen weirder
[15:35] <dive> read that first then if you have any specific problems you can ask here on #slackbuilds
[15:35] <dartmouth> i'd be willing to bet that having nothing running would fix that
[15:36] <Urchlay> Camarade_Tux: "ctrl-K o :" gives an umlauted lowercase o.. change the : to a ' or a ` to get acute/grave accents... it's actually pretty easy to use
[15:36] <Urchlay> still not sure what language uses an r with an acute accent (U)
[15:36] <dive> never seen that one
[15:37] <Camarade_Tux> ö : ¨ + o þ
[15:37] <aceofspades19> dartmouth: what details do you want?
[15:37] <dartmouth> aceofspades19: did you start the machine?
[15:37] <Camarade_Tux> Urchlay: what does ^K do?
[15:37] <aceofspades19> dartmouth: in a couple minutes
[15:38] <aceofspades19> I need to finish a few things first
[15:38] <dartmouth> aceofspades19: see if it locks up again.  it shouldn't.
[15:38] <ktos> anyonde please?
[15:39] <dive> ktos, my not be the best place to ask about sendmail
[15:39] <dive> might*
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[15:40] <aceofspades19> dartmouth: the machine is booting
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[15:40] <dive> ktos, have you tried #sendmail?
[15:40] <Skywise> ktos: just do that with your aliases file
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[15:40] <ktos> yeah, unfortunatly nobody answers
[15:40] <Skywise> edit /etc/mail/aliases
[15:41] <Skywise> add info: root
[15:41] <ktos> Skywise: ok, I will try thank you
[15:41] <Skywise> then save and type newaliases
[15:41] <ktos> Skywise: is local domain entry also required  for each domain?
[15:42] <Skywise> if you want them handled locally
[15:42] <Urchlay> Camarade_Tux: ^K means "combine the next 2 keystrokes into one character, if possible"
[15:42] <dissociative> looks like the FreeBSD bt8x8 kernel driver has fixed the compatibility issue with non-intel chipsets, and the linux kernel still doesnt... havent got any crash or lockup while watching the video input of my hauppauge wintv-go
[15:42] <Skywise> otherwise they will be treaded as something to be relayed
[15:42] <Urchlay> Camarade_Tux: that's only in insert mode BTW.
[15:44] <Urchlay> Camarade_Tux: my ultimate goal is to make my Atari 800 IRC client speak a subset of utf8/unicode :)
[15:44] <Camarade_Tux> lol ;p
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[15:45] <macavity> ok.. time to test the last batch of updates
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[15:46] <Urchlay> Camarade_Tux: http://joyfulcoder.net/atari/atascii/   <--- look at the middle column (International)
[15:48] <Urchlay> the XL/XE (not original 800) has those characters in its ROM font, I ought to be able to at least display them correctly when the utf8 versions of them are received
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[15:49] <Camarade_Tux> Urchlay: oh, I see, you're trying to make your atari dos-like? :D
[15:50] <fredoslack> hi hi
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[15:50] <fire|bird> fredoslack: hello :)
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[15:51] <fredoslack> re hello fire|bird
[15:51] <fredoslack> rather :p
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[15:54] <macavity> fsck damn crap piss shit blow my ass!
[15:55] <macavity> the latest round of updates completely broke my box
[15:55] <fire|bird> macavity: yikes.
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[15:55] <macavity> no composite
[15:55] <macavity> no usable touchpad
[15:55] <macavity> it disregards my keyboard layout in xorg.conf
[15:56] <macavity> and glxgears looks like it is on acid
[15:56] <Camarade_Tux> macavity: you mean you're using new X? :D
[15:56] <macavity> phantastic
[15:57] <thrice`> did you update your video driver too?
[15:58] <macavity> i cant find it on my mirror now
[15:58] <macavity> what was the dir again?
[15:58] <Camarade_Tux> it's in extra/ I think
[15:58] <thrice`> depends on your version
[15:58] <macavity> got it
[15:58] <thrice`> 2.7.1 is in x/, and a few others in extra/
[15:59] <LnxSlck> hello happyslackers
[15:59] <fire|bird> Hey LnxSlck
[15:59] <LnxSlck> hey
[15:59] <ktos> Skywise: thank you it really works :D
[15:59] <Skywise> i get things right every now and then
[16:00] <Urchlay> Camarade_Tux: dos? no... I want it to talk real unicode/utf8 so it plays nice with real OSes
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[16:00] <ktos> Skywise: whatever it means ;) I am not native :P
[16:00] <Skywise> it means you're welcome
[16:01] <ktos> Skaperen: ah, thanks ;)
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[16:01] <ktos> Skywise: * sry
[16:01] <Skywise> np
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[16:06] <fredoslack> slackware will make me head explode
[16:06] <fredoslack> :p
[16:06] <fire|bird> *BOOM*
[16:06] <fredoslack> looool
[16:07] <Skywise> yes, but it will make your brain case larger so you have room for more info once the smoldering subsides
[16:08] <Camarade_Tux> Urchlay: sure, just teasing you ;)
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[16:08] <macavity> ok.. now my system is totally hosed
[16:08] <Camarade_Tux> Skywise: once the brain isn't there anymore there is plenty of space in the skull :)
[16:08] <Camarade_Tux> macavity: congrats :)
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[16:08] <thrice`> how?  the xorg updates were harmless
[16:08] <macavity> rworkman: what gave you the idea that this x update would do any good? :P
[16:09] <thrice`> macavity: are you on your own mesa ?
[16:10] <fredoslack> My cat is walking on the keyboard lol
[16:10] <jeev> fredoslack, beat it
[16:10] <fredoslack> ho no :p
[16:10] <jeev> why
[16:10] <macavity> thrice`: mesa-7.4.4 from testing/
[16:11] <macavity> thrice`: i just tried the 2.7.990.99 intel driver.. and it does *not* like my system
[16:11] <Pig_Pen> fredoslack: you need a dog to keep the cat busy
[16:11] <thrice`> what does "glxinfo | grep render"  report?
[16:11] <fredoslack> lool
[16:12] <fredoslack> Pig_Pen,  i can't have a dog
[16:12] <ktos> Skywise: when domain is not listed in local domain mails come back with some mx error, tell me please is it possible to change it?
[16:12] <fredoslack> I live in an apartment
[16:12] <thrice`> macavity: huh?  that's not even a valid version
[16:12] <macavity> thrice`: or whatever its number was
[16:12] <macavity> thrice`: i have direct rendering
[16:13] <macavity> thrice`: glxgears looks like it is on acid
[16:13] <macavity> WARNING: at drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915_gem.c:3840 i915_gem_idle+0x2d0/0x2f0 [i915]()
[16:13] <thrice`> did you update your kernel?
[16:13] <sahko> macavity: did you try any of the extra/xf86-video-intel-alternate drivers? i guess thats what they're there for.
[16:13] <macavity> thrice`: i am on .30
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[16:14] <aceofspades19> hmmm...so far it hasn't locked up yet
[16:14] <macavity> sahko: yes.. they work even less
[16:14] <sahko> bummer
[16:14] <echelon> what's a .txz file??
[16:14] <macavity> echelon: it is a tgz file that was compressed with xz instead of gzip
[16:14] <fredoslack> echelon,  it's the new tgz
[16:14] <thrice`> macavity: so, you're mesa 7.4.4, and intel from Pat, or yourself?
[16:14] <echelon> http://packages.slackware.it/package.php?q=current/mozilla-firefox-3.5.1-i686-1.txz
[16:14] <macavity> thrice`: stock -current intel driver
[16:15] <thrice`> 2.7.1 ?
[16:15] <macavity> thrice`: only thing here that is my own is the kernel
[16:15] <macavity> thrice`: yes
[16:15] <echelon> ah ok, so can i still use with the old pkgtools?
[16:15] <thrice`> I see
[16:15] <fredoslack> do not worry echelon
[16:15] <thrice`> echelon: no
[16:15] <fredoslack> it's the new estension
[16:15] <fredoslack> extension
[16:15] <gabriel> echelon, use pkgtools from -current
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[16:15] <ktos> echelon: do you think Echelon hear us at here?
[16:16] <echelon> ok
[16:16] <echelon> thanks
[16:16] <fredoslack> echelon,  it is better
[16:16] <fredoslack> compressed ;)
[16:16] <ktos> Pat rulez
[16:16] <Skywise> ktos: whats the mx error?
[16:16] <ktos> Skywise: config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?)
[16:17] <macavity> but lets boot a Pat V blessed kernel and see what happens
[16:17] <echelon> it doesn't do dependency checking does it?
[16:17] <ktos> Skywise: Local configuration error
[16:17] <Skywise> if you're the server for that domain, then the domain needs to be in the local-host-names
[16:17] <fire|bird> echelon: no
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[16:17] <echelon> good
[16:18] <fredoslack> eviljames,  j'en ai ras le bol lool je capmte une phrase sur deux lool
[16:18] <fredoslack> capte*
[16:18] <ktos> Skywise: I just use domain seller dns
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[16:18] <ktos> Skywise: does it mean I am server of domain?
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[16:18] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude! come back to life! ='(
[16:19] <Skywise> what that error means is that the dns records say the host is the mailserver, but its not in local-host-names
[16:19] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: he hasn't been around for a little while.
[16:19] <fredoslack> what sweet words :p
[16:19] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: maybe 3 weeks
[16:20] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: yeah, something like that. The last he was around, he was studying for exams.
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[16:20] <ktos> Skaperen: that's mean I need to add 700 domians to it :P
[16:20] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: iirc he has exams during during the whole month
[16:20] <ktos> that means*
[16:20] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: yeah, I think he does.
[16:21] <ktos> ah, again s/Skaperen/Skywise
[16:21] <Camarade_Tux> going to bed soon, too tired :)
[16:21] <ktos> ok anyway Skywise thank you a lot
[16:21] <Skywise> yea you will
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[16:21] <Skywise> otherwise it won't know to answer for those domains
[16:22] <Skywise> fortunately its just a simple text file
[16:22] <ktos> yeah, I will use `man cut` :P
[16:22] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: heh, I'll be going afk here in a bit so catch ya later. :)
[16:22] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: see you tomorrow ;)
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[16:23] <fredoslack> :(
[16:23] <fire|bird> greetings Lord_Khelben :)
[16:23] <sahko> the web is just awful without adblock plus
[16:23] <Lord_Khelben> hello fire|bird :)
[16:23] <fredoslack> hi Lord_Khelben
[16:23] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: yup, maybe as fire|bird, maybe as phoenix|storm. :P
[16:23] <Lord_Khelben> actually s/hello/bye :)
[16:23] <fire|bird> Lord_Khelben: heh, leavin already? :P
[16:23] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: frog|wave? =)
[16:23] <Lord_Khelben> no but i read you are going afk
[16:23] <Skywise> i wouldn't go out on the web without adblock and noscript
[16:23] <Lord_Khelben> hello fredoslack
[16:23] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: lol. dark|matter?
[16:24] <fredoslack> hello Lord_Khelben  ::)
[16:24] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: dark|star!
[16:24] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: :O
[16:24] <fire|bird> Lord_Bird. :P
[16:25] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: darkstar, such a cute hostname :)
[16:25] <Lord_Khelben> lord_Bird is nice. we'll be cousins :P
[16:25] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: oh yeah, and probably taken too. :P
[16:25] <fire|bird> Lord_Khelben: :)
[16:26] <echelon> Pre-installing package mozilla-firefox-3.5.1-i686-1... ERROR:  Package ./mozilla-firefox-3.5.1-i686-1.txz did not install correctly.  You may need to reinstall your old package to avoid problems.  Make sure the new package is not corrupted.
[16:26] <echelon> what should i do?
[16:26] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: darkstar is, dark|star isn't ;)
[16:26] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: \o/
[16:26] <dive> echelon, try reinstall perhaps? And if that don't work redownload it
[16:27] <fredoslack> echelon, désinstalle ton ancien paquet
[16:27] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: Hmm, wonder who has darkstar? :P
[16:27] <thrice`> echelon: upgradepkg --reinstall with the old firefox package
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[16:27] <macavity> nope.. it doesnt matter if i use a Pat V kernel or not
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[16:27] <macavity> glxgears does the acid flicker, and KDE refuses to use composite
[16:27] <macavity> GREAT!
[16:28] <Wizard> :D
[16:28] <echelon> oh man.. that was in -current like.. a year ago
[16:28] <thrice`> are you using KMS?
[16:28] <macavity> nope
[16:28] <Wizard> welcome on earth
[16:28] <Alan_Hicks> macavity: What video card?
[16:28] <thrice`> UXA or EXA?
[16:28] <macavity> Alan_Hicks: intel 945GM
[16:28] <echelon> i don't think i can use it
[16:28] <macavity> thrice`: UXA
[16:28] <Wizard> naah
[16:28] <dive> Wizard, welcome _to_ Earth ;)
[16:28] <echelon> 3.0.3
[16:28] <Wizard> dive: :/
[16:28] <thrice`> macavity: huh, me too, and I had good luck with both 2.7.1 and the 2.8 rc2
[16:29] <Wizard> hmm.. kde1.2 does not build..
[16:29] <macavity> thrice`: 2.8rc2 flatly refuses to start x here
[16:29] <Wizard> let's see gnome1.2
[16:29] <Alan_Hicks> macavity: What video driver do you have installed?
[16:29] <Wizard> :>
[16:29] <macavity> thrice`: i get garbage in in dmesg about MTTR errors
[16:29] <fire|bird> bbl :)
[16:29] <Dominian> Alan_Hicks: btw.. I changed out that pressure line.. that wasn't the full problem.. rack-n-pinion
[16:29] <thrice`> macavity: that shouldn't be the case!  are you sure you got ALL of the stuff?
[16:29] <macavity> Alan_Hicks: 2.7.1
[16:29] <macavity> thrice`: yes
[16:30] <Dominian> Alan_Hicks: Place here in town.. good reputation.. going to change it.. for $425
[16:30] <echelon> can someone help me locate mozilla-firefox-3.0.3-i686-1.tgz ? :(
[16:30] <macavity> thrice`: i just ran slackpkg upgrade-all again, just to be sure
[16:30] <Alan_Hicks> macavity: I forget, is 945 the latest GPU from Intel?  If not, you may need to switch to an older driver.
[16:30] <macavity> Alan_Hicks: no, it is older than Moses
[16:30] <eviljames> I think all their graphics adaptors start with G now.
[16:30] <eviljames> G33, G35, G45, etc.
[16:30] <macavity> Alan_Hicks: and no, 2.7.1 worked great untill the last batch of updates
[16:30] <gabriel> http://riksun.riken.go.jp/pub/pub/Linux/slackware/slackware-current/slackware/xap/mozilla-firefox-3.0.3-i686-1.tgz
[16:30] <thrice`> macavity: you might be stuck with pre-gem drivers :>
[16:30] <Alan_Hicks> macavity: That's what I thought.  Intel broke a lot of their old stuff with the newer drivers.  I *thought* most of this was fixed, but maybe not.
[16:31] <Alan_Hicks> macavity: Really?  Wonder why in the world that happened then.
[16:31] <macavity> thrice`: GEM worked fine untill i pulled the last upgrade
[16:31] <Wizard> hmm
[16:31] <Wizard> that riken.go.jp has.. *all* slackware releases
[16:31] <macavity> the libdrm and whatnot fscked it all up
[16:31] <Wizard> and sources :D
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[16:33] <macavity> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM GEM 20090418 2009Q1 x86/MMX/SSE2
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[16:34] <macavity> this is the same as it was prior to update
[16:34] <thrice`> that's good
[16:34] <thrice`> right, the only big thing that changed was 1.6.1 -> 1.6.2, which should have just fixed alot of bugs
[16:35] <echelon> oh, i almost forgot.. i was banned like 2 yrs ago i think, is it ok if i stay?
[16:35] <gabriel> lol
[16:35] <alienBOB> echelon: I thought it was you, sneaking in through tor
[16:36] <echelon> i wasn't sneaking :/
[16:36] <eviljames> wuh oh!  an op!
[16:36] Action: eviljames runs & hides
[16:36] <alienBOB> Keep your fscking mouth shut for another year or two and we will see
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[16:36] <macavity> oh shit
[16:36] <macavity> i just found a shit load of warnings in Xorg.0.log
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[16:37] <macavity> (WW) intel(0): [DRI2] Version 1 API (broken front buffer rendering)
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[16:38] <macavity> that MIGHT just explain some of it.. all the other WWs are about registers chaning state
[16:38] <thrice`> does DRI2 load?
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[16:38] <thrice`> sounds like it just bails out
[16:38] <thrice`> I'd try EXA :\
[16:39] <macavity> it does
[16:39] <macavity> yes.. lets try EXA
[16:39] <budo> i see i already made one of the first newbie mistakes
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[16:39] <jeev> anyone fluent with perl ?
[16:40] <thrice`> budo: lol, what's that?
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[16:40] <budo> downloaded slack from torrent and not one of their trusted ftp sites
[16:40] <jeev> what torrent
[16:40] <jeev> you could get it from slack's torrent file.
[16:41] <thrice`> torrent is recommended :)
[16:41] <echelon> check md5sum
[16:41] <budo> a mininova torrent
[16:41] <alienBOB> echelon: do not talk to Slackware beginners. You least of all
[16:42] <alienBOB> I still remember the forkbomb
[16:42] <thrice`> you can grab the torrent from slackware.com/torrents  and let it finish
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[16:42] <echelon> ugh.. i can't seem to upgrade from mozilla-firefox-3.0.9 to mozilla-firefox-3.5.1
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[16:42] <macavity> ok.. EXA can run composite
[16:42] <macavity> but it is slow as molasses
[16:42] <echelon> ok
[16:43] <thrice`> echelon: of course you can't, you don't have an updated tar and xz-utils from -current, which .txz files require
[16:43] <fredoslack> goood night eb  :)
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[16:43] <thrice`> macavity: odd :\
[16:43] <echelon> d'oh! ..didn't know about the new dependencies
[16:43] <Wizard> hmm
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[16:44] <macavity> grep WW /var/log/Xorg.0.log -> http://pastebin.ca/1498670
[16:44] <thrice`> echelon: or, better, just download the source for Pat's 3.5.1, and change the last makepkg line from a .txz file to .tgz, and make it yourself
[16:44] <macavity> that is with UXA..
[16:44] <bot-net> oh hai, any of you guys using slackware64 current, just install the updated xorg and mesa and then find that compositing in kde4 no longer appears to work?
[16:44] <thrice`> macavity: you don't have input stuff in your xorg.conf, do you?
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[16:45] <macavity> yes
[16:45] <thrice`> bad macavity !
[16:45] <macavity> but lets fix all that afterwards :P
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[16:45] <Wizard> chmod -x /bin/chmod
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[16:46] <Skywise> hmm, how do you undo that one
[16:46] <thrice`> http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=538326#p538326  try a xorg.conf like that, see if some warnings drop out
[16:46] <Wizard> Skywise: i don't know
[16:46] <macavity> grep DRI2 /var/log/Xorg.0.log -> http://pastebin.ca/1498675
[16:46] <Lord_Khelben> Wizard: use perl to do it
[16:46] <Wizard> :)
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[16:47] <Wizard> Lord_Khelben: nice idea
[16:47] <macavity> thrice`: DRI2 does seem to go through with it, despite the broken front buffer
[16:47] <Lord_Khelben> or use the cat > already executable file thing
[16:47] <Skywise> i guess you could install package a
[16:47] <Lord_Khelben> you copy an already executable prog with another name and then cat chmod to it and it will keep the executable permission
[16:47] <Wizard> hmm
[16:47] <thrice`> macavity: huh; never seen that before :(  as long as you are using the driver rebuilt for the x-server update (-2?), it seems it would be OK
[16:48] <Lord_Khelben> i think zsh also has a module that does chown/chmod/etc
[16:48] <Skywise> you could always ftp it from another machine
[16:48] <Urchlay> ;
[16:48] <Skywise> you can chmod with ftp too
[16:48] <Lord_Khelben> many ways to do it
[16:48] <macavity> thrice`: xf86-video-intel-2.7.1-i486-2
[16:49] <Skywise> i just wondered if they all called chmod
[16:49] <thrice`> macavity: similar: http://bugs.gentoo.org/276559  no resolution, other than "should be fixed in 1.6.2"
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[16:49] <macavity> fuck
[16:50] <macavity> anyhows.. now i will first fix my touch pad
[16:50] <macavity> as this "cant tap to click" is totally annoying
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[16:50] <Urchlay> you don't really need +x permission on a binary to be able to run it anyway
[16:50] <Urchlay> chmod -x /bin/chmod
[16:50] <Skywise> upgrading is such sweet sorrow
[16:51] <Skywise> try doing chmod +x /bin/chmod  after that
[16:51] <Urchlay> /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 /bin/chmod +x /bin/chmod   # needs to be /lib/ld-linux.so.2 for x86
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[16:51] <Lord_Khelben> grrr i always forget that method
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[16:52] <Urchlay> that used to also let you run binaries on a fs mounted noexec, but newer glibc versions have closed that hole
[16:52] <thrice`> copy another binary over that has +x, and then cat /bin/chmod on top of it :)
[16:52] <Skywise> thats clever
[16:53] <Urchlay> you could also run something like: perl -e 'chmod 0755, "/bin/chmod"'   # perl's chmod doesn't call /bin/chmod either
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[16:54] <macavity> ok.. psmouse proto=imps still beats that crap of a synaptics driver
[16:54] <thrice`> macavity: ls /etc/modprobe.d/*.new
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[16:54] <macavity> thrice`: i just fixed that one
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[16:54] <macavity> only orig files there
[16:55] <macavity> and psmouse options are not commented out anymore
[16:55] <Urchlay> Skywise: you could also write a little C program that calls chmod("/bin/chmod", 0755);, compile & run it :)
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[16:55] <Urchlay> I don't speak Python, but I'm sure it could do the same
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[16:55] <macavity> mtrr: no MTRR for d0000000,10000000 found
[16:55] <macavity> now, who was it that had a script that fixed that?
[16:56] <Skywise> i wonder what the sysctl is for that
[16:56] <macavity> i think that may be why the front buffer is broken with DRI2
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[16:59] <Urchlay> another stoopid shell trick: if somehow /bin/cat gets hosed, you can "grep -v SADFSrwglkadsngmlqksnrmhg file" (odds are good that your random keystrokes won't ever match anything in the file, so all lines get printed...)
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[17:02] <sahko> does anyone know if theres a default keyboard layout switching key combo in XFCE ? without defining it in xorg.conf or some fdi file
[17:02] <Kaapa> that's hal business now
[17:02] <Kaapa> wm independent
[17:02] <eviljames> Yay hal!
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[17:03] <Lord_Khelben> sahko: do you run the xfce4-xkb-plugin ? i think you can choose key there. i don't remember well though
[17:03] <sahko> well i know all about that, but in XFCE you are only able to add a layout, and override system defaults
[17:03] <sahko> Lord_Khelben: no i am not
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[17:04] <Lord_Khelben> its in xfce-goodies. it shows a flag in the systemtray
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[17:04] <sahko> i dont want a flag tbh. :P
[17:04] <Lord_Khelben> and it can server as only indicator using xorg.conf/hal or server as full switcher
[17:04] <eviljames> macavity: Gallons?  fatass.
[17:04] <eviljames> :P
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[17:04] <macavity> eviljames: i dont drink and i dont smoke.. a guy gotta have *some* kind of vice to fall back to when the world is against him
[17:05] <eviljames> macavity: granted.
[17:05] <eviljames> macavity: I choose to smoke crack. :D
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[17:05] <sahko> Lord_Khelben: as i said before, you are able to override system defaults with XFCE keyboard settings and add GR without having it in xorg.conf or an fdi file. but theres no switch keyb layout setting
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[17:05] <sahko> isnt there a default one for other DE's too?
[17:05] <Camarade_Tux> Urchlay: if cat is hosed, just used : dd if=file_to_cat of=/dev/stdout
[17:05] <Camarade_Tux>  ;)
[17:05] <macavity> eviljames: been there, done that, and, litterally, got the fscking t-shirt
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[17:06] <Lord_Khelben> sahko: the only things i can think of is a) put it in the xorg.conf b) use the xfce-xkb-plugin
[17:07] <Lord_Khelben> a temporary solution is to setxkbmap -option grp:alt_shift_toggle
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[17:07] <sahko> Lord_Khelben: xorg.conf wont work if you use nput hotplugging.
[17:07] <Urchlay> Camarade_Tux: actually, you can just go "dd < source > dest" or "dd if=source > dest"
[17:08] <Lord_Khelben> sahko: xorg/hal honours xorg.conf settings so if you have a keyboard set up in xorg.conf hal won't override it
[17:08] <Camarade_Tux> Urchlay: right :)
[17:08] <Urchlay> Q  <--- WTF is this?
[17:08] <Lord_Khelben> if you don't have a keyboard in xorg.conf then you modify hal
[17:08] <sahko> Lord_Khelben: anyway. i think there should be a way without doing all those you said. AFAIK both KDE and GNOME have such settings. but maybe i am wrong
[17:08] <macavity> Urchlay: the letter just after P
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[17:09] <Urchlay> I see it as a Q with square corners
[17:09] <macavity> Urchlay: ... and just before R
[17:09] <Urchlay> I copy/pasted it from a web page where it appears as a Q with a dot over it
[17:09] <macavity> you see a Q as a Q with square corners?
[17:09] <Urchlay> no, this is a regular one: Q
[17:09] <Urchlay> this has square corners: Q
[17:09] <Lord_Khelben> i just put it in xorg.conf and also modify the fdi so i have piece of mind and don't care about what de is running
[17:10] <macavity> both show up as just Q here
[17:10] <Urchlay> macavity: either your font doesn't have the Q glyph, or it's identical to the Q one
[17:10] <Lord_Khelben> i see the one having a small line on top
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[17:11] <macavity> Urchlay: it wouldnt be the first time
[17:11] <Camarade_Tux> Urchlay: get the page source and check how it is written
[17:11] <Urchlay> if you "echo -n Q | xxd" (regular Q), you get: 0000000: 51                                       Q
[17:11] <macavity> Urchlay: æ ø å, Æ Ø Å
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[17:11] <jeev> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[17:11] <Lord_Khelben> xm greek letters :)
[17:12] <Urchlay> with the square one, I get: $ echo -n Q | xxd
[17:12] <Urchlay> 0000000: 51cc 870a                                Q...
[17:12] <macavity> Urchlay: if you copy/paste that line back to me, it shows up as garbage here.. so i think i have some kind of crapfiguration
[17:12] <Urchlay> ugh
[17:12] <macavity> anyhows.. time to get cola
[17:12] <Urchlay>  æ ø å, Æ Ø Å
[17:12] <MLanden_lap> Heya,folks...How's everyone?
[17:12] <macavity> what?
[17:12] <macavity> that looked right this time
[17:12] <Urchlay> hm.
[17:13] <Urchlay> Lord_Khelben: what are "xm greek letters"? different from regular greek letters?
[17:13] <Lord_Khelben> s/xm/hm/
[17:13] <macavity> so, i traded working DRI2/GEM/UXA for working danish locale letters that i never ever use (for other things than annoy ##slackware users)
[17:13] <Urchlay> ah
[17:13] <macavity> *great* bargain...
[17:14] <Urchlay> macavity: sounds like a bad trade (even if you're Danish)
[17:15] <macavity> Urchlay: yeah... especially taken into consideration that i dont ever write danish at all
[17:15] <macavity> Urchlay: every one i know online speaks english
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[17:15] <macavity> i probably type danish at less than half the speed of english
[17:15] <macavity> ok, akf
[17:15] <macavity> afk
[17:16] <jeev> i'm stuck in a rutt you turds
[17:16] <jeev> what do i do
[17:16] <Pig_Pen> hang your head in shame
[17:17] <macavity> stop talking like Cartman, and you will get free soon
[17:17] <jeev> :<
[17:17] <jeev> made a shell script to take the bytes out of logio and send it through sql with the proper date
[17:17] <jeev> but i need a way to get the username's in there too ;/
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[17:19] <Pig_Pen> the who command
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[17:20] <Urchlay> vas ist logio?
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[17:25] <macavity> Urchlay: s/vas/was/
[17:25] <macavity> Urchlay: otherwise it pronounces "fas"
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[17:27] <Urchlay> I was trying to speak german, I think it's spelled "wass" and pronounced "vas"
[17:27] <Urchlay> anyway he couldn't read it, so in english: what is logio? (yes I could google, no, I don't care enough to actually do so)
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[17:31] <agentc0re|work> Urchlay: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+logio%3F  :P hahah
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[17:35] <antiwire> fire|bird: any more talk about that system tray icon issue?
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[17:37] <Urchlay> agentc0re|work: I wanted to hear jeev's definition of it (whatever it is)
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[17:46] <_budo> is root (/) normally the biggest partition?
[17:46] <thrice`> depends, /home can usually outsize it
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[17:47] <_budo> how about /usr
[17:47] <thrice`> I only do swap, /, and /home
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[17:47] <_budo> k
[17:47] <thrice`> but yes, most stuff goes to /usr .
[17:47] <_budo> im following the book
[17:48] <thrice`> if you don't know why /usr should be separate, you shouldn't do it
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[18:03] <antiwire> fire|bird: I confirm the same; switching to 'nv' lets the system tray icons work while using 'nvidia' after the last update batch in current breaks the system tray icons...even though they are still clickable and the area for them is allocated, they do not display
[18:07] <_budo> the L series is needed by X windows only or entire system?
[18:07] <_budo> i dont need a gui
[18:08] <thrice`> some of each; I'd keep all of l/
[18:09] <_budo> okay
[18:09] <macavity> antiwire: uhm, i cannot reproduce the KDE problem with the last round of updates... however i have found a tressure trove of other wonky borkedupnesses :P
[18:10] <antiwire> macavity: fire|bird and I both have the same problem
[18:10] <thrice`> (WW) intel(0): Existing errors found in hardware state.
[18:10] <antiwire> macavity: are you using an nvidia chipset?
[18:10] <thrice`> :(
[18:10] <macavity> antiwire: nope.. intel
[18:10] <VampirePenguin> antiwire, thats the same kind of garbage i was having
[18:10] <antiwire> macavity: well then you probably won't have the problem
[18:11] <macavity> thrice`: oh?
[18:11] <VampirePenguin> icons ther but not ther
[18:11] <antiwire> VampirePenguin: you too!
[18:11] <VampirePenguin> and then  plasmas bomb'
[18:11] <antiwire> VampirePenguin: excellent
[18:11] <antiwire> that's 3 people now
[18:11] <thrice`> macavity: otherwise, my log is clean, though:  http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/MqzeTG28.html
[18:11] <VampirePenguin> ya but mine was intel 945/915 -- Xorg issue
[18:11] <VampirePenguin> it did the exact same thing
[18:12] <macavity> rworkman: i think we need a chat :P
[18:12] <VampirePenguin> once i modified my xorg and kde settings i was fine
[18:12] <dive> have you tried turning off all the desktop effects in kde?
[18:12] <antiwire> VampirePenguin: At this point, based on what happens when fire|bird and I switch back to nv driver instead of the nvidia prop. driver, I'm blaming either Xorg or the nvidia driver.
[18:12] <antiwire> dive: doesn't matter
[18:12] <VampirePenguin> xorg
[18:12] <antiwire> effects on or off
[18:13] <VampirePenguin> that the only common factor besides kde
[18:13] <VampirePenguin> i have intel you hav nv
[18:13] <rk4n3> nvidia prop drivers have not functioned well for me lately
[18:13] <antiwire> I don't think it's kde that is causing the problem directly. Since the last batch of updates are what caused this problem for me, I think it is Xorg related and maybe something in kde need to be rebuilt
[18:13] <VampirePenguin> do the icons blink on you befaore and after they disappear
[18:14] <macavity> it *could* be a Qt issue... eg that Qt needs to be recompiled against xorg-1.6.2
[18:14] <antiwire> VampirePenguin: they never show at all but the space for them is there and I can still click the area and get the menus...just no icons
[18:14] <VampirePenguin> yep same thing
[18:14] <VampirePenguin> my compositing works great now
[18:14] <thrice`> dunno, Pat uses kde4, so you'd think that'd be a big red-flag
[18:15] <macavity> VampirePenguin: congrats.. mine went to hell
[18:15] <antiwire> VampirePenguin: that's the funny part too, effects/compositing/3D accel work fine work fine still
[18:15] <antiwire> lol
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[18:15] <antiwire> work fine work fine/work fine
[18:15] <VampirePenguin> ill pastie my xorg.conf
[18:16] <raela|alt> is there a way to see all ips connected on a local network?
[18:16] <macavity> [drm:i915_get_vblank_counter] *ERROR* trying to get vblank count for disabled pipe 0
[18:16] <antiwire> I'm thinking that what macavity suggested about possible Qt recompile or what I suggested, kde recompile might fix it
[18:16] <macavity> mtrr: no MTRR for d0000000,10000000 found
[18:16] <antiwire> since the xorg libs did change in the last update
[18:17] <VampirePenguin> macavity, i filed a bug wit h kde and bc of no debug symobls the y closed it as non reproducilbe, resolved
[18:17] <VampirePenguin> http://pastie.org/549987
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[18:17] <VampirePenguin> i can tell you what i have for desktop settings
[18:18] <antiwire> macavity: do you know if it is safe to recompile Qt on a live system?
[18:18] <antiwire> it doesn't go touch crazy or anything right?
[18:18] <thrice`> no, it'll just take a long time
[18:18] <VampirePenguin> took me 6 hrs to compile qt
[18:18] <macavity> antiwire: it is safe.. use the .SlackBuild
[18:18] <VampirePenguin> then i found out there was a binary
[18:18] <macavity> VampirePenguin: you have to recompile the KDE package[s] that you want to bug repport against
[18:19] <antiwire> I'm going to attempt just a recompile using the same source version and just bump the package version
[18:19] <VampirePenguin> well it was the plasmas
[18:19] <macavity> VampirePenguin: no debug symbols == no clue what so ever for the developers
[18:19] <VampirePenguin> but the problem really was intel drivers and X
[18:19] <macavity> antiwire: just bump the build version
[18:19] <antiwire> yeah
[18:19] <macavity> antiwire: ... not that pkgtools actually care
[18:19] <thrice`> nah, upgradepkg --reinstall  will work too if you don't :>
[18:20] <VampirePenguin> well then i thin its their responsiblity to make those debug symbols have a smallre footprint so downstream cana provide them with accurate data
[18:20] <dive> do things work normally with vesa?
[18:20] <antiwire> wlel I do that anyway so I can delineate my package builds from Pat's
[18:20] <antiwire> dive: works fine using the nv driver
[18:20] <macavity> antiwire: if you call upgradepkg on an package with a smaller version number, it will happily go ahead and "upgrade" your system all the same :P
[18:20] <antiwire> macavity: yeah i k now
[18:20] <VampirePenguin> antiwire, do you want my desktop settings
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[18:21] <antiwire> VampirePenguin: your desktop settings don't matter. I already rm'd ~/{.local|.kde|.kderc|.config}
[18:21] <antiwire> it's not a settings issue
[18:21] Action: dive is wondering whether to upgrade box with nvidia card up to 13rc1...
[18:21] <dive> to test
[18:21] <VampirePenguin> well to get the xorg to work properly with kde the settings i have do that
[18:22] <VampirePenguin> ymmv
[18:22] <antiwire> do what? my xorg and kde effects/compositing work fine
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[18:23] <antiwire> those aren't the issue. the issue is icons in system tray not showing
[18:23] <rk4n3> pwd
[18:23] <rk4n3> oops
[18:23] <macavity> .. and mine stopped working
[18:23] <VampirePenguin> ok
[18:23] <macavity> rk4n3: /home/##slackware
[18:23] <rk4n3> haha :)
[18:23] <thrice`> macavity: i'd just downgrade to 1.6.1 and recompile the driver :(
[18:24] <antiwire> well, here goes a qt rebuild
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[18:24] <macavity> thrice`: do you happen to have the old packages around?
[18:24] <macavity> antiwire: "this could take a while... go make a pot of coffee"
[18:24] <macavity> antiwire: old quote from a gcc Makefile :P
[18:24] <thrice`> macavity: nope, not personally, but it only takes a few moments to build :)
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[18:25] <antiwire> macavity: great...the -current qt build has patches that are barfing out "Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!"
[18:25] <antiwire> ...
[18:25] <antiwire> that's a bad sign
[18:25] <antiwire> why didn't pat see that?
[18:25] <thrice`> it can by funky, I'd just push enter
[18:25] <antiwire> k
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[18:26] <antiwire> I have a feeling this is going to explode in my face
[18:26] <thrice`> nope, it will be clean, but might set your cpu on fire
[18:26] <antiwire> lol
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[18:29] <macavity> antiwire: as long as you have the original packages and a bootable slackware media handy, nothing is unfixable :P
[18:31] <dive> qt4 is a quite straightforward build iirc
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[18:34] <sahko> http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/AnZzmd64.html
[18:34] <sahko> lol nasty spam
[18:35] <sahko> or phishing
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[18:36] <dive> nice phish
[18:36] <dive> I've had 3 or 4 fake ebay ones today
[18:37] <eviljames> The worst part about phishing is that I can see how so many people fall for it.
[18:37] <sahko> that looks legit, and it didnt go to the spam folder like all other crap
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[18:38] <eviljames> macavity: as for nothing being unfixable, I am pretty sure my apartment took a power surge recently.  Now when I boot up, it skips media boot (no matter what setting is in the bios) skips past the lilo boot prompt 19/20 times
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[18:38] <bot_net> oh hai again
[18:39] <eviljames> macavity: and kernel panics during initialization of CPU0.  please to fix how?
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[18:39] <dive> new mobo
[18:39] <macavity> eviljames: a soldering iron and a steady hand :P
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[18:39] <macavity> eviljames: if you are not a demigod you *may* also need an ociliator and an ociliscope
[18:40] <bot_net> a new developement in my previous question has arisen: after updating today with slackpkg on -current, KDE lost composite effects, however I can restore them by using the xrender compositing type, but it is a lot slower than the opengl type.
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[18:40] <bot_net> any idea wht could have happened to opengl or a way to restore it?
[18:40] <macavity> bot_net: intel 945GM?
[18:40] <bot_net> 4500hd
[18:40] <macavity> bot_net: also, does glxgears look fucked up?
[18:41] <macavity> bot_net: ok, so you are luckey to have a way to run composite *at all*
[18:41] <bot_net> yes glxgears is very fucked
[18:41] <macavity> wellcome to the club
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[18:41] <macavity> it seems that the latest round of updates should be reverted
[18:41] <bot_net> ah, so i am not alone, yay, do we have a cool club room and all?
[18:41] <thrice`> mm, I can confirm glxgears is fucked up
[18:41] <macavity> bot_net: this is it
[18:41] <edman007> eviljames, its easy to fix, go to newegg.com and melt some plastic, in a few days everything will be working
[18:41] <fire|bird> bot_net: you're in it. ;)
[18:42] <fire|bird> Hey edman007, how's it going?
[18:42] <edman007> good
[18:43] <thrice`> ps, my glxgears is fucked up, and i'm a non-kde user :)
[18:43] <macavity> thrice`: i have every reason to belive the issues we are seing are not kde related in any way
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[18:44] <thrice`> ditto
[18:44] <macavity> thrice`: quite the contrary.. it looks like it is the dubble buffer extention and off screen rendering that has gone FUBAR
[18:44] <_budo> do i need to or should i skip LILO install as it may damage partitions?
[18:44] <twolf> _budo: you need a bootloader
[18:44] <macavity> _budo: do you want to be able to start Slackware?
[18:45] <macavity> _budo: .. as opposed to just have it laying dormant on a partition you cant reach? :P
[18:45] <rg3> macavity: sssssh, don't give him ideas...
[18:45] <_budo> i could boot from the floppy always
[18:45] <macavity> you could
[18:46] <twolf> what makes you think it will damage a partition?
[18:46] <macavity> or you could wipe your windows partition and become one of the many unsung heroes :P
[18:46] <eviljames> edman007, macavity your solutions are all inadequate.  I've a better one: warranty
[18:46] <rob0> nope, we'd sing about that
[18:46] <_budo> that is what it is written on the screen @ two
[18:46] <eviljames> "I  don't know what happened, it just stopped working!"
[18:48] <eviljames> fwiw, my glxgears works well.
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[18:48] <macavity> eviljames: graphics chip?
[18:48] <macavity> eviljames: vendor/chip
[18:49] <eviljames> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[18:50] <thrice`> eviljames: what does "X -version" say your version is ?
[18:50] <alienBOB> macavity: I just upgraded my eeepc 1000h (intel 945GM) to latest -current and I still have KDE desktop effects using opengl
[18:50] <alienBOB> All GL screensavers work like before
[18:50] <eviljames> 250 fps.. version 1.6.1 - just got the new updates a few minutes ago, applying shortly.
[18:50] <thrice`> yeah, that's why ;)
[18:51] <eviljames> but, I did change to Pat's intel 2.7.9.99.whatever driver a week ago or so.
[18:51] <thrice`> be sure to grab one from extra/ too then
[18:52] <macavity> alienBOB: my glxgears jumped from 350fps watchable to 500fps acid-flicker-renders-outside-of-window
[18:52] <thrice`> yep, I can't even see the gears in my glxgears; just flickering
[18:52] <_budo> see it failed !!!!
[18:52] <alienBOB> macavity: I think I missed some conversation (my connection hickup-ed)
[18:52] <macavity> alienBOB: but having listened to what is going on in here, it sounds like you are outside of the norm :P
[18:53] <alienBOB> Are you telling it works now?
[18:53] <macavity> no
[18:53] <thrice`> nope, it's broken for a quite a few
[18:53] <macavity> and we are 4 in here who are having random xorg related problems right now
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[18:54] <alienBOB> My glxgears on the netbook gives 59.something frames/sec - this is because the driver locks the refresh to 60 FPS
[18:54] <macavity> are you using EXA or UXA?
[18:54] <alienBOB> What are the X issues you experience?
[18:54] <thrice`> alienBOB: right, we aren't benchmarking; the gears don't even show up here :)
[18:54] <alienBOB> macavity: how do I check? the X.Org log?
[18:55] <thrice`> if you aren't using KMS, or set UXA explicitly, you're on exa
[18:55] <alienBOB> thrice`: with 500 fps I would not expect to be seeing any gears... only a flicker
[18:55] <eviljames> mine threw a warning about refresh rate, but still does 250+fps.. definitely using uxa
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[18:55] <alienBOB> thrice`: pretty stock Slackware-current here, no KMS
[18:55] <macavity> alienBOB: http://pastebin.ca/upload.php
[18:55] <alienBOB> NOt even an xorg.conf
[18:56] <thrice`> you can load kms on stock slackware, with a quick note in /etc/modprobe.d
[18:56] <macavity> alienBOB: http://pastebin.ca/1498813
[18:56] <macavity> sry :P
[18:56] <alienBOB> Yes, but I don't _want_ kms
[18:56] <thrice`> sure, but UXA is generally desired
[18:56] <macavity> i use UXA because EXA is so dog slow that i cant use composite with it
[18:57] <macavity> but i dont use KMS
[18:57] <VampirePenguin> http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/17/some-e-books-are-more-equal-than-others/
[18:57] <macavity> just specify UXA as the accel method in xorg.conf
[18:57] <VampirePenguin> think googe chrome os adn m$ offcie on the we b will do the sam thing
[18:57] <macavity> alienBOB: however, the above happens both with EXA and UXA
[18:57] <macavity> alienBOB: the PIPESTAT and Register errors that is
[18:57] <alienBOB> I am using EXA according to the log
[18:58] <alienBOB> And my log looks absolutely sane
[18:58] <thrice`> alienBOB: if you want to try UXA, a xorg.conf like this will load it (and DRI2); http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/ioyoMd83.html
[19:00] <macavity> alienBOB: http://pastebin.ca/1498815
[19:00] <macavity> alienBOB: that is the full horror
[19:00] <alienBOB> thrice` macavity you are talking about reverting the latest changes, but I run a stock Slackware with no tweaks and I am doing fine. You have tweaked yours, and you are having trouble. X and Intel graphics are not befriended at the moment. Intel fucks up X.Org majorly
[19:01] <eviljames> VampirePenguin: that's exactly the problem with the kindle - they're asking you to make the trade from ownership to access.
[19:01] <macavity> alienBOB: i said: with and without tweaks
[19:01] <macavity> alienBOB: same story
[19:01] <thrice`> alienBOB: loading UXA accel is NOT tweaking.
[19:02] <eviljames> k, I'm going to update to latest packages and see if that causes problems :D
[19:02] <macavity> afaik UXA will be the default acceleration method with 2.8 whatever using KMS or UMS
[19:03] <thrice`> I think my calls are being ignored with 2.8rc2 from extra/, and it's just loading uxa
[19:04] <macavity> thrice`: reading the intel-gfx ml it looks like they will cut out EXA as soon as they can
[19:04] <macavity> thrice`: to reduce code size and complexity
[19:04] <VampirePenguin> eviljames, the same thing google is going to do, and m$ will closely follow vbehind though they do it now in their auto updates
[19:04] <macavity> thrice`: btw, RenderAccell "true" is redundant
[19:04] <macavity> thrice`: you cant set it to false on Intel any more
[19:04] <thrice`> yep, just saw that in my log
[19:05] <eviljames> VampirePenguin: I don't think that google is going to start deleting documents at random.  That would be somewhat out of step with their "don't be evil" unofficial motto.
[19:05] <eviljames> They've had a reasonably good track record so far, and it's their strongest marketing point.
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[19:06] <VampirePenguin> i dont know maybe, but once you entrust your data, letters, contacts and other infomartion only on their servers... its out in the public...
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[19:07] <beatzz> whats crack-a-lackin slackers?
[19:07] <macavity> beatzz: you finger bones? :P
[19:08] <eviljames> VampirePenguin: couldn't agree more - but that attitude is probably not the majority opinion
[19:08] <beatzz> macavity: makin progress, scars r definitly softning, so i can rly start to stretch um out now
[19:08] <VampirePenguin> eviljames, and thats whats scary
[19:08] <_budo> do i have to reinstall everything if lilo failed?
[19:08] <VampirePenguin> ill keep my encryption thank you
[19:09] <VampirePenguin> _budo, no
[19:09] <eviljames> _budo: not likely, unless it really blew up.
[19:10] <_budo> it wont let me back in the configure menu option
[19:10] <beatzz> _budo: whats goin on? maby i can help
[19:10] <VampirePenguin> im one of those "special" ones.. i dump lilo and dance with grub
[19:11] <beatzz> i did grub for a wile on my laptop here w/ slack
[19:11] <_budo> fdisk the partitions and went thru the menus and it installed all the software
[19:11] <VampirePenguin> mainly bc i know grub
[19:11] <beatzz> untill i found 'lilo -c'
[19:11] <macavity> _budo: call liloconfig from the commandline i belive
[19:11] <twolf> _budo: where did you tell it to install lilo? mbr?
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[19:11] <_budo> and lilo failed as it tried to install it at one of the last steps
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[19:12] <_budo> yes the mbr
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[19:13] <beatzz> _budo: so u were installing the SlackDVD and it got to the lilo installation and it failed?
[19:13] <_budo> yeah
[19:13] <beatzz> _budo: have you goten past that?
[19:13] <_budo> yes
[19:13] <fredoslack> re hi  :)
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[19:13] <twolf> _budo: there is a chance you install media is corrupted
[19:13] <beatzz> _budo: how did your OS load w/o a bootloader?
[19:14] <beatzz> _budo: or are you on some kind of pendrive os?
[19:14] <macavity> lilo blows up regularly on people
[19:14] <_budo> it doesnt come up
[19:14] <VampirePenguin> i had the lilo one fail until i used vga
[19:14] <_budo> insert boot media in selected device
[19:14] <VampirePenguin> then it took
[19:14] <VampirePenguin> the first settings
[19:15] <_budo> my hard drive is screwed?
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[19:15] <twolf> might have to boot from the install disk, edit lilo.conf, rerun lilo and try again
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[19:16] Action: beatzz agrees w/ twolf and macavity's earler sujestion of 'liloconfig'
[19:16] <Pig_Pen> i never had a problem with lilo
[19:17] <beatzz> ive had a few.
[19:17] <_budo> i think it failed because the video setting
[19:17] <twolf> I had a problem with the 12.2 dvd in that it installed to the mbr of a different disk than the one it wrote in lilo.conf, it was easily fixed but could really stump someone else
[19:18] <beatzz> ahh u picked the 1024x768 dual penguin setting
[19:18] <_budo> yeah
[19:18] <beatzz> not the (safe choice)
[19:18] <beatzz> lol
[19:18] <straterra> dual penguin setting?
[19:18] <beatzz> yes
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[19:18] <straterra> Where is this 'dual penguin setting' ?
[19:18] <beatzz> gives u 2 penguins at the top left of dmesg
[19:18] <straterra> Uhm..that's framebuffer
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[19:18] <straterra> And it's not always 2
[19:18] <beatzz> the consol framebuffer
[19:19] <Pig_Pen> an ascii Tux penguin would make a cool motd
[19:19] <beatzz> but see, you understood what i meant by dual penguin setting
[19:19] Action: macavity giggles
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[19:19] <macavity> Pig_Pen: debian offers that
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[19:20] Action: macavity contemplates reverting to xserver-1.6.1
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[19:22] <dchmelik> Tux-chan and Gnu-chan
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[19:22] <macavity> dchmelik: i'll take the later plz kkthxbai :P
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[19:22] <Pig_Pen> http://pastebin.com/m1399dc84
[19:22] <juice__> i got my google invoice invite and account setup today :)
[19:23] <juice__> err
[19:23] <dchmelik> macavity: what do you  mean?
[19:23] <juice__> s/invoice/voice
[19:23] <dchmelik> oh, the 'latter?'
[19:23] <macavity> probably.. i cant get auto correction to work in irssi
[19:24] <bot_net> is there a way to specify you want firefox to open using the GTK engine from terminal?
[19:24] Action: reallove too wants a google voice invite
[19:24] <bot_net> from KDE that is
[19:24] <_budo> so, how do i edit lilo from the install dvd
[19:24] <thrice`> mount /dev/<root_partition> /mnt
[19:25] <thrice`> mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev; mount -t proc /proc /mnt/proc; mount -t sysfs /sys /mnt/sys; chroot /mnt /bin/bash
[19:26] <thrice`> close?
[19:26] <antiwire> yay Qt rebuld is done
[19:27] <_budo> was that for me thrice?
[19:27] <thrice`> yes; that will mount your root file system, the necessary stuff for lilo to work, and place you into the environment
[19:29] <_budo> k. thank you
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[19:30] <fredoslack> i'me drunk lol
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[19:30] <eviljames> So, rebooted to the latest.  glxgears now reports ~60fps
[19:30] <fredoslack> reee eviljames  :)
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[19:32] <eviljames> and uxa is not enabled.
[19:32] <thrice`> that just means it's locking into your sync rate
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[19:33] <fredoslack> "what is this cold that you feel in you"
[19:33] <macavity> eviljames: how does it look?
[19:33] <fredoslack> Mathias  ;)
[19:34] <dchmelik> there has been a rumour here that 13.0 is out on the mirrors....
[19:34] <alienBOB> dchmelik: stop smoking crack
[19:35] <bot_net> 13 is in the mirrors list...
[19:35] <alienBOB> bot_net: so?
[19:35] <slak> bullshit
[19:35] <bot_net> just saying...
[19:36] <alienBOB> slackpkg needs to have these mirror URLs _before_ release
[19:36] <bot_net> there used to not be and now there is...
[19:37] <rg3> i wouldn't make much sense to release 13 without testing the recent X upgrade properly
[19:37] <Pig_Pen> wow, some slackers are worse than children on christman eve waiting for a new release
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[19:38] <aceofspades19> my slackware -current vm refuses to boot, it says Loading LinuxEBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage
[19:38] <slak> yo alienBOB , tell me how it is to spend all day wiriting scripts, compile and debuggin
[19:39] <fredoslack> you have the hello from poupou lool
[19:40] <alienBOB> aceofspades19: using an initrd with a huge kernel perhaps?
[19:40] <alienBOB> slak: I only spend half my time working on Slackware. The other half I have a regular job
[19:41] <aceofspades19> alienBOB: I'm using the default slackware kernel
[19:41] <aceofspades19> so possibly
[19:41] <alienBOB> With an initrd?
[19:41] <rg3> alienBOB: do you get paid for working on slack?
[19:41] <aceofspades19> alienBOB: if thats what slackware 13rc1 ships with
[19:41] <alienBOB> rg3: of course not. Only Pat earns money from Slackware
[19:41] <spadxiii> alienBOB: which gas station do you pump for
[19:41] <slak> alienBOB, what do you do for a living?
[19:42] <alienBOB> aceofspades19: by default Slackware will not install an initrd
[19:42] <dchmelik> spadxiii, you should not have said that
[19:42] <alienBOB> spadxiii: you stop smoking crack too
[19:42] <thumbs> spadxiii: shush
[19:42] <aceofspades19> alienBOB: so I don't have an initrd then
[19:43] <spadxiii> kidding lol; thankyou for all your work on slackware
[19:43] <Pig_Pen> you should have selected a kernel that does not require an initrd, there are four to choose from, two do not require an initrd
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[19:44] <slak> alienBOB, " by default Slackware will not install an initrd" , what r u saying? modules are built in ?
[19:44] <aceofspades19> Pig_Pen: I'm pretty sure I'm using the huge.smp
[19:44] <alienBOB> slak: first day using Slackware?
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[19:44] <slak> alienBOB, no i use windows =D
[19:45] <slak> alienBOB, windows 7 actually
[19:45] <fredoslack> ho the traitor :p
[19:45] <aceofspades19> what are you doing in a slackware channel then
[19:45] <slak> alienBOB, rofl
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[19:45] <antiwire> ok
[19:45] <slak> just seeing you aroudn
[19:45] <antiwire> Rebuilding Qt did not fix the problem
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[19:48] <agentc0re|work> ick i bet that took a while to rebuild.
[19:49] <aceofspades19> I built kde 4 on a pentium 3 once
[19:49] <aceofspades19> took a couple days
[19:49] <macavity> alienBOB: i didnt get a reply, so i feel it important to repeat that my xorg problems are nearly identical whatever I use the default settings (DRI/EXA) or "tweaks" (DRI2/UXA): massive (WW)s in Xorg.0.log, insane tearing of glxgears and dmesg errors about MTTRs and vblank
[19:49] <antiwire> agentc0re|work: about and hour for me
[19:49] <antiwire> and/an
[19:49] <Pig_Pen> i bet it ran slow, like molasses in winter
[19:50] <macavity> alienBOB: only difference is that with EXA composite works at molases speed, and with UXA it plainly refuses
[19:50] <aceofspades19> well it wasn't exactly screaming
[19:51] <antiwire> but regardless, I still don't have system tray icons but the area for them and the menus for them work when I click around on the blank system tray area
[19:51] <alienBOB> macavity: it has little sense reporting to me, report to Pat instead
[19:51] <alienBOB> I can not replay your issue here with a default Slackware installation
[19:52] <slak> macavity, reinstall your box
[19:52] <aceofspades19> antiwire: I had that problem with my -current vm too before I rebooted it
[19:52] <macavity> slak: kkthxbai fanboi
[19:52] <antiwire> aceofspades19: trust me, rebooting isn't the issue here
[19:52] <slak> macavity, you too
[19:52] <aceofspades19> antiwire: well I had to reboot it because of kernel updates
[19:52] <aceofspades19> and now it won't reboot
[19:52] <aceofspades19> -_-
[19:53] <antiwire> it's something to do with either Xorg or the nvidia driver
[19:53] <agentc0re|work> why is it that slak reminds me of jeev?
[19:53] <antiwire> it's not jeev, you think jeev would idle in slackware-br?
[19:53] <antiwire> lol
[19:53] <agentc0re|work>  /shrug
[19:53] <aceofspades19> antiwire: I think it has to with xorg, because I certainly don't have a nvidia card
[19:53] <jeev> grr, why couldn't i have awesome programming capabilities? i'd happily trade in my 9 inch penis with antiwire's 3 inch penis to be elite in coding
[19:54] <macavity> alienBOB: well.. in case you "get asked", this is a default slackware install too, and both 2.7.1 and 2.7.99.902 exhibit the same problem with the default configuration
[19:54] <macavity> alienBOB: btw, what does your glxgears look like?
[19:54] Action: macavity waits for rworkman to show up
[19:54] <agentc0re|work> comments like that are why i think things like that..
[19:54] <antiwire> agentc0re|work: hahaha
[19:55] <agentc0re|work> he has me on ignore, so you set him off be because of me which he doesn't even know that it's my fault that you said something about him..
[19:55] <agentc0re|work> Wow, mouth full!
[19:56] <dive> anyone know a systray battery monitor that would work with fluxbox?
[19:57] <_budo> ut oh. now the configure menu refuses to run
[19:58] <_budo> hol on brb
[19:59] <_budo> ok this time dont choose auto lilo install?
[20:00] <jeev> doods i have 2 files 400 lines and 350 lines, the file with 400 lines in it has the 350 from the 400.. i want to separate it and get the 50
[20:00] <jeev> what's the best thing to do
[20:00] <jeev> will diff do it ?
[20:00] <_budo> i just reran the installation all over again
[20:00] <rg3> jeev: perl or python
[20:00] <jeev> do you have a one liner for me? :D
[20:00] <rg3> jeev: unless you don't care about the line order
[20:01] <jeev> i dont care
[20:01] <jeev> i could sort it
[20:01] <macavity> Common Lisp FTW :P
[20:01] <jeev> but they're mixed up
[20:01] <_budo> thrice u there again?
[20:02] <rg3> jeev: i could do that in less than 10 python lines
[20:02] <fire|bird> macavity: Is scrolling in konq real weird for you? Mine has all of a sudden become odd. It scrolls, but doesn't show it, yet when I minimize and then maximize the window, it's scrolled to where I scrolled it.
[20:03] <rg3> jeev: actually, about four
[20:03] <macavity> fire|bird: site?
[20:03] <fire|bird> macavity: any
[20:03] <macavity> nope
[20:03] <twolf> dive: you can use wmpower from slackbuilds.org
[20:03] <macavity> fire|bird: EXA or UXA?
[20:04] <fire|bird> macavity: note sure what those are, so I don't know. How can I check?
[20:04] <jeev> rg3, +1 moral, +2 karma
[20:04] <macavity> fire|bird: that means EXA :P
[20:04] <jeev> gimme gimme
[20:05] <fire|bird> macavity: lol, alright. :)
[20:05] <dchmelik> what, is this some RPG?
[20:05] <macavity> fire|bird: havent tested scrolling in EXA mode.. i will test next time i attempt to debug that :P
[20:05] <jeev> oh i may have an alternative.
[20:05] <rg3> jeev: PM
[20:05] <fire|bird> macavity: It was working fine, I think that also started having this issue after this last round of July 16 updates.
[20:06] <eviljames> macavity: it seems good enough.
[20:06] <eviljames> macavity: compositing works, glxgears looks like gears providing 60fps under exa..
[20:06] <fire|bird> macavity: Now I'm curious about what EXA and UXA are, I have to go google now. :P
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[20:07] <fire|bird> macavity: Intel UXA?
[20:07] <macavity> fire|bird: UXA is the new improved rendering acceleration method
[20:07] <mrselfpwn> evening all
[20:07] <_budo> ok it works now
[20:07] <fire|bird> macavity: ah, ok.
[20:07] <fire|bird> evening mrselfpwn
[20:08] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: I'm tossing Sabayon in a VM. :)
[20:08] <twolf> _budo: good to hear
[20:08] <macavity> fire|bird: Option "AccelMethod" "UXA"
[20:08] <macavity> fire|bird: in Device section
[20:08] <mrselfpwn> sweet. I have a VM open atm also.
[20:08] <fire|bird> macavity: ah, ok, just add that and log out and in X?
[20:09] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: Their artwork is very nice. I got the kde4 version.
[20:09] <macavity> fire|bird: in case of runlevel 4 you also have to kill XDM/KDM
[20:09] <macavity> fire|bird: eg, alt-ctrl-backspace
[20:09] <mrselfpwn> fire|bird, since you are using the new kernel you can also enable tilin
[20:09] <fire|bird> macavity: ok, I boot to rl3
[20:10] <macavity> ok, log out, startx then
[20:10] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: tiling?
[20:10] <fire|bird> macavity: Ok, I'll try that in a minute here. thank you.
[20:10] <mrselfpwn> tiling
[20:10] <mrselfpwn> yes
[20:10] <dchmelik> Tux-chan, Gnu-chan, and Bob-chan!
[20:10] <macavity> mrselfpwn: tiling is on by default on combinations that suppport it
[20:10] <macavity> *support
[20:11] <mrselfpwn> hmm, mine isn't though it seems.
[20:11] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: what does tiling do?
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[20:11] <mrselfpwn> it uses tiles as opposed to pixels if i'm not mistaken
[20:12] <dchmelik> it sounds like bit blitting
[20:12] <dchmelik> with sprites
[20:12] <fire|bird> macavity: with that UXA, do I need the nvidia driver or anything else enabled to try that?
[20:12] <macavity> nvidia?!?
[20:12] <macavity> UXA is intel only :P
[20:12] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: Ah, ok. :) Is that something that is enabled in xorg as well?
[20:12] <eviljames> macavity: well, on 2.6.29.5 accelmethod uxa causes glxgears to behave wonky, and claim to do 600fps.
[20:12] <fire|bird> macavity: :P, alright. Then that won't work.
[20:12] <macavity> fire|bird: disregard what i said about tiling
[20:13] <fire|bird> macavity: will do. :)
[20:13] <macavity> fire|bird: that may or may not apply to nvidia
[20:13] <fire|bird> macavity: my windows box uses intel, but not this one. :P
[20:13] <mrselfpwn> yes, i though uxa was intel only
[20:13] <macavity> fire|bird: but, knowing nvidia, i think they enable and disable stuff as they please
[20:13] <mrselfpwn> though not 100% on that
[20:13] <mrselfpwn> UXA is for 2d rendering
[20:13] <fire|bird> macavity: yeah, well I'm on the nv driver now until they get a new driver out that hopefully fixes this system tray icon issue.
[20:13] <mrselfpwn> it replaced EXA
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[20:14] <mrselfpwn> enable it then check /var/log/Xorg.0.log after X start to see if it's being used
[20:14] <fire|bird> If my windows box's mobo had sata, I'd make that machine my linux machine. :P
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[20:15] <Amadeus_> plop
[20:15] <fredoslack> Amadeus_,  iooo
[20:15] <fredoslack> lol
[20:15] <Amadeus_> :)
[20:15] <Amadeus_> alors, quoi de neuf dans la new slack?
[20:15] <fredoslack> Amadeus_,  english
[20:15] <Amadeus_> tiens y'a l'ext4?
[20:15] <fredoslack> please lol
[20:15] <Amadeus_> ok sorry buddy
[20:16] <mrselfpwn> !english
[20:16] <Amadeus_> so, is there ext4 in current slack?
[20:16] <macavity> fire|bird: an add'on sata controler is dirt cheep
[20:16] <antiwire> Amadeus_: yes
[20:16] <antiwire> and the installer supports it too
[20:16] <fredoslack> Amadeus_,  2.6.29 and ext 4 :p
[20:16] <Amadeus_> ah nice
[20:16] <macavity> is the ext4 disk formate fixed now?
[20:17] <dchmelik> cette n'est pas nouveau pourtant
[20:17] <mrselfpwn> I have a tricky question, for anyone who may have some insight.
[20:17] <macavity> dchmelik: gesundheit..
[20:17] <Amadeus_> how to install a simple package if no dependencies are taked by account?
[20:17] <fredoslack> Amadeus_,  je ne comprend rien à ce qu'ils disent lool
[20:17] <Amadeus_> need to install each package one by one?
[20:17] <macavity> Amadeus_: installpkg
[20:17] <macavity> Amadeus_: or use slackpkg
[20:18] <macavity> Amadeus_: slackpkg makes life a lot easier :P
[20:18] <mrselfpwn> I want to install a slimmed down version of XP to a usb thumb drive.  I have the ISO and VirtualBox
[20:18] <Amadeus_> lol fredoslack
[20:18] <Amadeus_> ben alors, tu causes pas l'english?
[20:18] <macavity> will you please speak english?
[20:18] <fredoslack> Amadeus_,  si a few lol
[20:18] <macavity> or else i will start replying to your questions in Danish
[20:18] <Amadeus_> slackpkg get dependencies by itself?
[20:18] <macavity> .. and i request this as per the channel guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k
[20:18] <macavity> Amadeus_: no
[20:18] <Amadeus_> lol fredoslack
[20:19] <fire|bird> Anyone know of a way to change the default folder, like for save dialogs, dolphin, etc. opens to in kde4? It always opens to ~/Documents.
[20:19] <fredoslack> no no no
[20:19] <fredoslack> :}
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[20:19] <macavity> Amadeus_: slackware does *not* provide automatic dependency resolution
[20:19] <fire|bird> macavity: Hmm, hadn't thought of that, thanks. :)
[20:19] <Amadeus_> fire|bird: juste use gnome [troll inside]
[20:19] <mrselfpwn> First question.  Is it possible to dd an ISO to flash drive and boot it Amadeus?
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[20:19] <fredoslack> Amadeus_,  bouh :p
[20:19] <fire|bird> Amadeus_: NO WAY.
[20:19] <Amadeus_> why so macavity ? :/
[20:20] <Amadeus_> that's fucking shit to have to install dependencies one by one :/
[20:20] <macavity> Amadeus_: we dont like other people desiding what constitutes a dependency
[20:20] <steiger> damn.. why do intel drivers suck SO much
[20:20] <macavity> Amadeus_: then use another distro
[20:20] <steiger> nothing works!
[20:20] <Amadeus_> I use another
[20:20] <fire|bird> Amadeus_: That's a feature of slackware, and we like it that way. If you don't like it, find another distro.
[20:20] <Amadeus_> juste here to learn about slack
[20:20] <Amadeus_> I'm on fedora
[20:20] <macavity> steiger: you just got hit by the latest updates to -current?
[20:20] <mrselfpwn> We like it better that way Amadeus.
[20:20] <macavity> Amadeus_: if you like fedora you are just not the kind of person who is likely to like slackware
[20:21] <steiger> macavity: actually, the drivers always didn't work for me. and for every new update, they work even LESS
[20:21] <macavity> Amadeus_: i requre absolute control over my box, hence i use slackware
[20:21] <Amadeus_> I think so to
[20:21] <Amadeus_> o*
[20:21] <fredoslack> you do not know what you lose with slackware Amadeus_  lool
[20:21] <fredoslack> distribution is a magical
[20:21] <fredoslack> lool
[20:22] <steiger> macavity: i had poor performance first. then some lockups, then a lot more lockups, and then a complete black screen whenever i run opengl apps
[20:22] <mrselfpwn> and you are distracting attention from others who need legitimate help amadeus.
[20:22] <macavity> fredoslack: i think he does... he doesnt want to know how everything is put together.. he wants to get something done
[20:22] <Amadeus_> I understand macavity
[20:22] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: http://imagebin.org/56289 <---Sabayon 4.2
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[20:22] <macavity> steiger: wellcome to the club
[20:22] <Amadeus_> but it seems quite boring to install each library 1 by 1
[20:22] <Amadeus_> :/
[20:22] <macavity> steiger: allthough, i had it going 100% right just untill this update :-/
[20:22] <macavity> Amadeus_: i dont.. i just install the entier l/ series
[20:22] <bot_net> im going to try askign again...anyone know a way to start firefox using the gtk engine from terminal?
[20:22] <steiger> macavity: tried the old drivers? they're in /extra
[20:22] <Amadeus_> is there a package updater in slack?
[20:23] <fredoslack> Amadeus_,  heureusement que j'ai mo dico en ligne lol
[20:23] <Amadeus_> l/series?
[20:23] <fredoslack> mon *
[20:23] <RipVanWinkle> when i have several packages i need to install at once i put em all in a directory and run installpkg ./*tgz
[20:23] <steiger> Amadeus_: yes, slackpkg . wait, you trolling?
[20:23] <mrselfpwn> oh, kick-ass fire|bird.
[20:23] <fire|bird> Amadeus_: yes, but it doesn't resolve dependencies, that's up to you.
[20:23] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: yeah, like we were talking about the other night, their artwork is very nice.
[20:23] <macavity> steiger: uhm 2.7.1-1 worked, but was compiled agininst xserver-1.6.1, 2.7.1-2 or any of the other ones in extra/ refuses to play nice
[20:23] <mrselfpwn> seems to be steiger
[20:23] <dchmelik> bot_net: when I typed 'firefox --help' it does not look like you can
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[20:24] <Amadeus_> ok, so dependencies for wanted package, dependencies for dependencies.....
[20:24] <mrselfpwn> yes indeed
[20:24] <Amadeus_> it can't take hours...
[20:24] <mrselfpwn> who are you arguing with Amadeus?
[20:24] Action: Amadeus_ 'll stay on Fedora
[20:24] <Amadeus_> get up in the logs mrselfpwn...
[20:24] <Amadeus_> or contribute..
[20:24] <bot_net> damn...i didnt think to look in --help.
[20:25] <steiger> Amadeus_: look, man, i run slackware for quite a time, and i rarelly have problems with dependencies. and i like that way. and it seems that everybody that runs slack likes that way.
[20:25] <mrselfpwn> the point is this is a Slackware based channel for development/help with Slackware.
[20:25] <fire|bird> Amadeus_: wise choice, If you're not liking that in slackware you have to solve deps on your own, etc. then Slackware is not for you. Maybe you can go to #fedora and praise them that they chose to resolve everything and you just need to run yum or PackageKit. :)
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[20:26] <Amadeus_> that's actually the case with fedora fire|bird ;)
[20:26] <mrselfpwn> and even if something does go sour with a dependency, it doesn't bork your whole system.
[20:26] <fire|bird> Amadeus_: I know. I've used Fedora, I hated it, I came to Slackware. :)
[20:26] <fire|bird> and have been Slackin ever since.
[20:26] <juice__> unlike fedora/ubuntu users we know what is installed on our system and what is required to make it work :)
[20:27] <fire|bird> juice__: and, if something gets mucked up, it's easily fixed. :)
[20:27] <juice__> yep
[20:27] <Amadeus_> yeah juice, I understand it
[20:27] <RipVanWinkle> what do you do when a packagemanager that does automatic dependency resolving installs a bunch of crap you dont want when you really one one package or one library
[20:27] <juice__> but as they said it isn't for everyone
[20:27] <Amadeus_> maybe when I'll be more used to linux, I'll give Slackware a try
[20:27] <fredoslack> Amadeus_,  juice de fruit ? lol
[20:27] <Amadeus_> lol
[20:27] <juice__> haha
[20:28] <thumbs> RipVanWinkle: slackware does not do that
[20:28] <macavity> Amadeus_: ive been using GNU/Linux for about 10 years, so i generally dont need yum or apt-get to tell me what i should and shouldnt do
[20:28] <mrselfpwn> do you use KDE or Gnome Amadeus?
[20:28] <Amadeus_> is slackware designed for http server?
[20:28] <Amadeus_> gnome
[20:28] <kitche> Slackware is designed for anything
[20:28] <fredoslack> mrselfpwn,  he use KDE
[20:28] <mrselfpwn> how many KDE packages do you have on your system?
[20:28] <macavity> Slackware is designed to keep things simple
[20:28] <RipVanWinkle> i know, i been using slack for years
[20:28] <fire|bird> kitche: ++, it's anything you want it to be. :)
[20:28] <fredoslack> isn't it Amadeus_
[20:28] <fredoslack> =
[20:28] <fredoslack> =)
[20:28] <macavity> that is, simple if you know what-goes-where :P
[20:28] <Amadeus_> don't know... not a lot I guess
[20:29] <mrselfpwn> You _don't_ know
[20:29] <fredoslack> Amadeus_,  say that you use KDE or i devoice you
[20:29] <fredoslack> lool
[20:29] <thumbs> fire|bird: hola mi amigo. Como estas?
[20:29] <mrselfpwn> that _is_ the point.
[20:29] <fire|bird> Hey thumbs, doing excellent, thanks. you?
[20:29] <Amadeus_> lol fredoslack
[20:29] <fredoslack> :p
[20:29] <thumbs> fire|bird: muy bien, gracias
[20:30] <Amadeus_> is there SELinux in current Slack?
[20:30] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: Sabayon even comes with yakuake installed. \o/
[20:30] <thumbs> Amadeus_: no
[20:30] <fredoslack> putai,n tu causes bien anglais Amadeus_  je n'ai plus qu'à creuser moa tombe à la main :p
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[20:30] <mrselfpwn> yes lol fire|bird
[20:30] <Amadeus_> lol
[20:30] <mrselfpwn> i prefer tilda, but oh well
[20:30] <Amadeus_> no SELinux :/
[20:30] <thumbs> fredoslack: English
[20:31] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: I've tried tilda, don't care for it as much as yakauke.
[20:31] <fredoslack> thumbs,  ok sorry :(
[20:31] <Pikel> I was forced to use slackware 10's boot/root/network disks to get a working environment for a network install. I have the slackware sources exported via another box on my lan, but when I try and mount the exported filesystem the pre-slackware box hangs and then fails to mount the fs with the msg localhost: timed out, am I missing something here?
[20:31] <TwinReverb> rworkman, intel broke on me with last night-s update
[20:31] <Amadeus_> Si tu veux que j'te traduises un truc fredoslack n'hésite pas...
[20:31] <mrselfpwn> i'm on a netbook though so my requirements are different
[20:31] <fredoslack> Amadeus_,  yes thiknk you
[20:31] <Amadeus_> ;)
[20:31] <fredoslack> think :)
[20:31] <TwinReverb> anyone else figure out what the problem with the new intel video packs are?
[20:31] <thumbs> Amadeus_: English
[20:31] <mrselfpwn> tilda is much more light weight and better for this
[20:32] <Amadeus_> yup
[20:32] <TwinReverb> i can't use any of the xf64-video-intel* packs
[20:32] <mrselfpwn> What's up TwinReverb?
[20:32] <TwinReverb> all cause a crash
[20:32] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: yeah, on a netbook, I can see how tilda would be better suited.
[20:32] <mrselfpwn> TwinReverb
[20:32] <mrselfpwn> Which kernel?
[20:32] <TwinReverb> well i use the one that's not from /extra and when i start any program that outputs full screen, it barfs
[20:32] <TwinReverb> generic
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[20:33] <mrselfpwn> i had crashing problems if i don't enable tiling.
[20:33] <mrselfpwn> I am using KMS though
[20:33] <thrice`> TwinReverb: alot of people are having issues, it seems
[20:33] <TwinReverb> tiling?  KMS?
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[20:34] <mrselfpwn> i'm using Kernel Mode Setting for my intell vid chip
[20:34] <mrselfpwn> and Option "tiling" true" in xorg.conf
[20:34] <TwinReverb> mrselfpwn, got an xorg.conf i can look at?
[20:34] <mrselfpwn> sure
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[20:34] <mrselfpwn> bypass the bloated mouse sections :)
[20:34] <slak> #
[20:36] <mrselfpwn> btw, i have all framebuffer devices disabled in the kernel as the kernel grabs the intel card directly.
[20:36] <mrselfpwn> here it is;  http://pastebin.com/d573e6c80
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[20:36] <TwinReverb> mrselfpwn, hmm
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[20:38] <fredoslack> thumbs,  i've founngn everybody
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[20:40] <mrselfpwn> er, it's a 945/950gma intel video device on my netbook
[20:40] <TwinReverb> same here
[20:40] <TwinReverb> brb
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[20:43] <TwinReverb> mrselfpwn, thanks it works like a charm
[20:43] <mrselfpwn> no prob
[20:43] <adrenaline> anybody running slackware in a virtual box or parallels?
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[20:43] <mrselfpwn> also, fyi, the KMS settings works very well also.  switching consoles is almost instant
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[20:44] <TwinReverb> KMS?
[20:44] <RipVanWinkle> no virtural here, Slackwware on bare nakid hardware
[20:44] <mrselfpwn> if you look above the frame buffer section in the DRI section.
[20:44] <juice__> i have slackware 12.2 in a vbox
[20:44] <adrenaline> how is it working juice ?
[20:44] <juice__> good
[20:45] <adrenaline> what is the host?
[20:45] <mrselfpwn> You just build the intel part and i915 part into the kernel.
[20:45] <TwinReverb> ah
[20:45] <mrselfpwn> and disable the framebuffer nvidia_fb section
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[20:45] <mrselfpwn> as it interferes with KMS
[20:45] <TwinReverb> i'm using the generic-smp only because i'm testing slackware64-13.0-rc1
[20:45] <mrselfpwn> okay, i'm on 2.6.30.1
[20:45] <adrenaline> I have it in virtual box on my Mac Book Pro but it crashes the vb for no reason and I just installed it on parallels and it just froze
[20:45] <RipVanWinkle> that nvidiafb driver conflicts with nvidia's blob driver, cant have both
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[20:46] <mrselfpwn> yes
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[20:47] <mrselfpwn> once you get it up and going TwinReverb.  I suggest it highly.  At least for me it's much more functional, especially in your tty's
[20:47] <juice__> hmm dunno adrenaline
[20:47] <juice__> I have had no problems
[20:47] <mrselfpwn> links -g is a lot smoother as well.
[20:47] <juice__> except in 3.0.0
[20:47] <adrenaline> What host are you using
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[20:47] <juice__> that had timer issues
[20:47] <juice__> 3.0.2 is fine
[20:48] <adrenaline> I am using 3.02 also
[20:48] <juice__> adrenaline there both slackware 12.2
[20:48] <juice__> host and guest
[20:48] <adrenaline> Oh
[20:48] <adrenaline> maybe it is because my host is MAC
[20:48] <TwinReverb> mrselfpwn, are you saying that i need 2.6.30.1 to get switching to virtual terminals to work?
[20:48] <juice__> the vbox is for gnome 2.26 stuff
[20:48] <adrenaline> but it is weird because other distros are working.
[20:48] <juice__> the host has gnome 2.24. stuff
[20:49] <juice__> adrenaline what does the ,og have?
[20:49] <juice__> s,og/log
[20:49] <juice__> s/,og/log
[20:49] <adrenaline> I haven't checked the logs on parallels yet but it crashes so fast on vb it doesn't ever log anything
[20:49] <adrenaline> It crashes the whole vb
[20:49] <juice__> odd
[20:50] <mrselfpwn> idk if you need that though there are some bugs with 2.6.30 that i experienced (with dosemu nonetheless) the 2.6.30.1 has been very solid for me.
[20:50] <adrenaline> I was recompiling the last time I did it and it never booted back up
[20:50] <juice__> ic
[20:50] <adrenaline> on vb
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[20:50] <mrselfpwn> I used 2.6.29.3 for a good while and it was decent
[20:51] <adrenaline> it crashes everytime I start terminal
[20:51] <adrenaline> in parallels
[20:51] <adrenaline> sucky back to the drawing board
[20:51] <TwinReverb> i am using generic-smp only right now and the only change i make is to compile ext4 into it so i don't have to use a silly initrd (especially when booting multiple versions of Linux)
[20:51] <RipVanWinkle> just make a Linux native ext3 partition and install slack, dualboot
[20:52] <TwinReverb> ?
[20:52] <mrselfpwn> yes, on that note.  if you don't build the dri configuration into the kernel for KMS support you will need an initrd.  It's best results building it in and disable framebuffer all together.  If you decide to go that route
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[20:53] <TwinReverb> well the xorg and intel drivers like to auto-load the DRI for you, so i would recommend (at least in the past) was to build DRI as <M> and the rest as <*>
[20:54] <TwinReverb> but generic-smp makes everything <M> so ...
[20:54] <TwinReverb> granted someone needs to ask Patrick to built the tablet drivers into his kernels, they are omitted for no apparent reason
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[20:55] <mrselfpwn> not sure about that and Xorg though if you do build as module and disable intel_fb (which is required for full kms) you will need an initrd or if you want fb right away.
[20:55] <antiwire> initrd isn't silly, sometimes it is required even if you build your own kernel
[20:55] <TwinReverb> well i don't usually need framebuffer.  i had one chipset that required it but i don't use it on my newer one
[20:55] <TwinReverb> antiwire, well to me it is
[20:55] <mrselfpwn> also, when using kms there should be no vga= in the lilo.coonf
[20:56] <TwinReverb> but i am aware that some times it is required
[20:56] <mrselfpwn> just imho it's been working very well for me and 2.6.30.1 has been very stable and I will stick with it for a while.
[20:57] <macavity> mrselfpwn: tiling is enabled by default as of 2.7
[20:58] <TwinReverb> 2.7? 2.7 what?
[20:58] <macavity> xf86-video-intel
[20:58] <TwinReverb> oh
[20:58] <TwinReverb> that would explain a lot
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[20:58] <mrselfpwn> i have that macavity and if I don't enable tiling, firefox scroll down is slowed and some programs crash X
[20:59] <steiger> macavity: yeah, so i tried every tweak in xorg google can tell me, and no OpenGL for me. guess i'll wait for not-so-buggy intel drivers :)
[20:59] <TwinReverb> steiger, they're in /extra
[20:59] <steiger> TwinReverb: what are in extra?
[20:59] <TwinReverb> steiger, some other versions of the intel driver
[20:59] <mrselfpwn> /var/log/packages/xf86-video-intel-2.7.99.902-i486-1
[21:00] <steiger> TwinReverb: tried them all. all buggy
[21:00] <mrselfpwn> no opengl at all??
[21:00] <macavity> steiger: i am about to revert to the only known-good configuration i have seen so far
[21:00] <TwinReverb> steiger, then you ought to enable tiling like i did
[21:00] <RipVanWinkle> since the topic of framebuffers is going on i might as well ask, has anyone used DirectFB ?
[21:00] <steiger> TwinReverb: tiling enabled
[21:00] <TwinReverb> mrselfpwn, can you link steiger to your xorg.conf ?
[21:00] <mrselfpwn> sure
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[21:01] <steiger> please, mrselfpwn
[21:01] <mrselfpwn> http://pastebin.com/d573e6c80
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[21:02] <macavity> steiger: that is: xserver-1.6.1, xf86-video-intel-2.7.1, linux-2.6.30[.1], mesa-7.4.4 using UXA in xorg.conf
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[21:02] <mrselfpwn> latest, from -current for me
[21:03] <steiger> macavity: exactly my configuration, except for xserver (1.6.2 here)
[21:03] <mrselfpwn> xorg-server-1.6.2
[21:03] <macavity> steiger: so far that is the only thing that has been able to give me OpenGL 1.4 over a fully working and fast AIGLX DRI2/GEM
[21:03] <steiger> maybe i'll downgrade xserver?
[21:03] <macavity> steiger: it was the xserver 1.6.2 and build 2 of the 2.7.1 driver that hosed my system
[21:04] <steiger> i see
[21:04] <macavity> so, back to what is known to work
[21:04] <Kaapa> hey guys, do we have any imap server on slack / SBo?
[21:04] <straterra> We?
[21:05] <steiger> thank you mrselfpwn , but i tried UXA and Tiling True :P
[21:05] <mrselfpwn> which kernel are you using macavity?
[21:05] <eviljames> ugh, it has to be 35C outside.  That's ~95F according to google..
[21:05] <Kaapa> yes, we, as the queen
[21:05] <mrselfpwn> yw steiger
[21:05] <macavity> Kaapa: you mean like... imapd?
[21:05] Action: eviljames is sweating like a glass of iced tea... mm... iced tea...
[21:05] <Kaapa> like that
[21:05] <macavity> imapd-2.00-i486-1
[21:05] <Kaapa> 2am, friday.
[21:05] <Kaapa> stupid questions expected
[21:06] <Kaapa> is that easy to set up?
[21:06] <BP{k}> Kaapa: have you tried .. hmm let's see .. "using the search box" on SBo and perhaps. I don't know .. search for imap?
[21:06] <BP{k}> Kaapa: s/expected/proven/
[21:06] <Kaapa> BP{k}: actually, ues! I searched for imap, nothing.
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[21:06] <Kaapa> I forgot the d
[21:07] <macavity> that is *probably* because imapd is part of mainline
[21:07] <BP{k}> Kaapa: uhm .. you fail.
[21:07] <Kaapa> absolutely!
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[21:07] <BP{k}> http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=imap
[21:07] <Kaapa> ok, it was a bad try,. I'll just to back to the beer and try tomorrow
[21:07] <Kaapa> hum?
[21:08] <macavity> to back go the beer? :P
[21:08] <Kaapa> BP{k}: I searched using sbopkg
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[21:08] <Kaapa> macavity: !
[21:08] Action: BP{k} starts on the beer. :)
[21:09] <macavity> btw, if you guys are having beer, dont you have peanuts or prezles or some such?
[21:09] <Kaapa> damn, definetly not good
[21:09] <BP{k}> macavity: on occasion, but I can enjoy beer without. :)
[21:09] <Kaapa> just one last question: should I go for dovecot or imapd?
[21:10] <macavity> Kaapa: imapd is part of mainline.. so you guess
[21:10] Action: alienBOB using cyrus-imapd for 9 years now...
[21:10] <Kaapa> macavity: that's not an argument. sendmail is also part of the mainline :p
[21:10] <gar0t0> O_o
[21:10] <gar0t0> antiwire: 9 years?
[21:10] <gar0t0> ops
[21:10] <mrselfpwn> now maybe someone can help me with my issue
[21:11] <gar0t0> alienBOB: 9 years? wow
[21:11] <antiwire> what?
[21:11] Action: alienBOB uses sendmail too, everywhere
[21:11] <alienBOB> gar0t0: maybe only 8 ;-)
[21:11] <steiger> macavity: thing is, where to find xorg 1.6.1 now?
[21:11] <mrselfpwn> i want to install windows xp to a usb drive.  i am on a netbook.  i dowloaded the tinyxp.  I have VirtualBox.
[21:11] <steiger> macavity: the mirrors are all synced by now
[21:11] <mrselfpwn> Is there any way to do it this way.
[21:11] <mrselfpwn> ?
[21:11] <macavity> steiger: roll ya own baby.. roll ya own :P
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[21:12] <gar0t0> alienBOB: I use linux only a 8 years :~
[21:12] <macavity> steiger: as in, use Pats build script, but just roll back the source version
[21:12] <mrselfpwn> The VirtualBox before it will use the usb requires a working os that VBextras or whatever can be installed to.
[21:12] <macavity> steiger: it is really not that hard
[21:12] <steiger> macavity: and actually a good idea
[21:13] <alienBOB> gar0t0: I just checked... I migrated to cyrus-imapd 5 years ago
[21:13] <alienBOB> Feels much longer ;-)
[21:13] <gar0t0> ÿes
[21:13] <gar0t0> yes
[21:13] <macavity> steiger: just dont foret to recompile the intel driver too... i am not exactly sure why it was recompiled
[21:14] <gar0t0> alienBOB: cyrus-imap r0x
[21:14] <mrselfpwn> My question:  Is there a way to use dd to write a normally bootable iso image to a flash drive and have it boot on startup?
[21:14] <macavity> steiger: technically the ABI should be stable across the entire xserver-1.6 series, but who knows...
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[21:15] <mrselfpwn> i did dd if=tinyxp.iso  of=/dev/usb bs=1M
[21:15] <mrselfpwn> though it did not work on boot.
[21:16] <dchmelik> I do not get what the fourth bit in chown is... something like +s
[21:16] <mrselfpwn> i don't have a cd drive so this will save a lot of extra effort.  If it's not viable then I will use a friends pc with a cd-rom drive.
[21:16] <kitche> +s is a sticky bit
[21:17] <mrselfpwn> any help?
[21:17] <dchmelik> it is funny.  it makes me laugh.
[21:17] <steiger> macavity: ouch.. no slackbuild for xorg-server alone?
[21:17] <steiger> pat's slackbuild seems to be for the entire X, macavity
[21:17] <dchmelik> and why are there like 100 packages in the x series now?
[21:18] <gar0t0> alienBOB: when I grow up I want to be like you :D
[21:18] <macavity> steiger: nope.. copy/paste the ./configure string, use make DESTDIR=/tmp/my-xorgserver install
[21:18] <macavity> steiger: then copy/paste the strip commands
[21:18] <macavity> steiger: then run makepkg
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[21:18] <dchmelik> I want to be like alienBOB too
[21:18] <kitche> dchmelik: actually it's teh same amount of packages just all broke down in their own package :)
[21:18] <steiger> macavity: oh yeah, brute force!
[21:19] <macavity> steiger: no time to waste.. use cut, copy and paste ;-)
[21:19] <dchmelik> kitche, but it is practically impossible to know what to make a tagfile for now
[21:20] <macavity> dchmelik: you can edit out the xf86-video and xf86-input drivers that you know that you dont need... you need the rest if you have to ask :P
[21:21] <dchmelik> well what about all that stuff like xeyes and screensavers
[21:21] <dchmelik> and toys
[21:21] <gar0t0> alienBOB: when I grow up I want to be look* like you :D (sorry :DD)
[21:21] <macavity> You Need It(TM) :P
[21:21] <macavity> because it takes up like 200KB  and you dont give a fuck
[21:22] <dchmelik> yes I do
[21:22] <macavity> gar0t0: you have some bizare wishes.. you should see a doctor ;-P
[21:22] <dchmelik> I want to know every file on my system
[21:22] <dchmelik> and not have extra ones
[21:22] <fire|bird> macavity: lol
[21:22] <macavity> dchmelik: good luck
[21:23] <macavity> dchmelik: then you go over each and every one of them.. check if it has a man page, see what package it came from, etc
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[21:23] <dchmelik> I know most of the directories
[21:23] <dchmelik> but there is too much stuff now.  I liked DOS
[21:23] <macavity> that is a pretty far cry from knowing every executable on the system
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[21:23] <dchmelik> well I have looked through /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin
[21:23] <agentc0re> Life is like a Shit Sandwich.  The More bread you got, the less shit you gotta eat!
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[21:24] <macavity> agentc0re: someone fscked up the math in that one
[21:24] <dchmelik> Is /var/log/scripts where one should put one's own scripts?
[21:24] <macavity> O_o
[21:24] <macavity> no
[21:24] <BP{k}> ........
[21:24] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[21:24] <BP{k}> The Moon is Waning Crescent (22% of Full)
[21:24] <BP{k}> nope .. that can't be it.
[21:24] <macavity> have you actually LOOKED in one of those scripts?
[21:24] <dchmelik> yes
[21:24] <steiger> agentc0re: the more bread you got, the fatter you become with the same amount of shit
[21:24] <macavity> BP{k}++
[21:24] <dchmelik> but where do you put your own then?
[21:25] <agentc0re> http://ibearfalsewitness.wordpress.com/
[21:25] <dchmelik> /usr/local/bin?
[21:25] <BP{k}> dchmelik: okay .. did you actually understand those scripts?
[21:25] <dchmelik> I did not look enough to understand them
[21:25] <macavity> dchmelik: yes
[21:25] <macavity> lol
[21:25] <BP{k}> dchmelik: ~/bin
[21:25] <dchmelik> I do not want them in ~
[21:25] Action: agentc0re hands BP{k} a beer
[21:25] <macavity> didnt the names strike you as a wee bit peculiar?
[21:25] Action: macavity hands BP{k} the pointy clue stick
[21:26] <thumbs> in [bed ]
[21:26] <agentc0re> Oo that looks like it has a sharp tip
[21:26] <macavity> thumbs: ohh! what was a *great* idea!
[21:26] <dive> good
[21:26] <thumbs> hahahaha
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[21:26] <gar0t0> macavity: no no! I need to learn english :~
[21:27] <BP{k}> agentc0re: http://www.thedrinkshop.com/products/nlpdetail.php?prodid=4374
[21:27] <thumbs> gar0t0: oh, I remember you.
[21:27] <BP{k}> hmmm pointy stick ... in bed .. the possibilities *grins*
[21:27] <thumbs> gar0t0: you were making great progress learning English back then.
[21:27] <gar0t0> thumbs: no no, you only imagine it
[21:27] <macavity> gar0t0: stick around and you will learn a little english, some profanity, and a shit load of bad manners ;-)
[21:28] <macavity> gar0t0: .. and if it comes out of me, you *better* double check it with aspell
[21:28] <agentc0re> BP{k}: LOL at first i thought that price was for one.
[21:29] <edman007> macavity, i check everything i say in irc with aspell!
[21:29] <dive> I dunt
[21:29] <edman007> i just usually end up picking the wrong word spelled right since i confuse aspell
[21:29] <BP{k}> agentc0re: hahaha, yeah I made similar mistakes in the past. We have a really old good bottle of port .. first we thought it was over 600 for a bottle, but it was for a whole case ..:)
[21:29] <macavity> edman007: aspell4irssi.pl?
[21:29] <eviljames> aspell?
[21:30] <dchmelik> would not /usr/script or /usr/local/script be a better place if you do not want to use ~?
[21:30] <eviljames> that's ridiculous guys, you've gotta let your balls swing free.  No spell checker is going to correct ME!
[21:30] <macavity> eviljames: the GNU implementation of ispell
[21:30] <gar0t0> thumbs: I need to practice more
[21:30] <edman007> macavity, no, i recompiled xchat (and pidgin) against gtk-spell which uses apsell
[21:30] <thumbs> gar0t0: sure.
[21:30] <agentc0re> BP{k}: I wish i could order beer online.  I don't think any place located in the US can ship beer to utah.  It MUST go through the state before it can be sold.
[21:30] <macavity> dchmelik: for historic reasons
[21:31] <gar0t0> macavity: hmmm, I dont thought it!! thanks :D
[21:31] <dchmelik> but how would you know which spot to put one in?
[21:31] <macavity> dchmelik: sure, go ahead and make a /usr/script directory... figure out how to make it appear in the search path of the shell
[21:31] <BP{k}> agentc0re: yeah you mentioned this in the past. That really kinda sucks. But, it's legal to brew your own?
[21:31] <agentc0re> BP{k}: Oh, i am going to go take a look at this:  http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=389&ssid=6942416&pid=1&rurl=nid,218,ad,6942416,lpid,1,cat,42  Hopefully it works well because then i can start kegging.
[21:31] <dchmelik> macavity: I know how to do that in /etc/profile
[21:32] <macavity> dchmelik: seriously, /usr/local/bin/ is there for that exact reason
[21:32] <dchmelik> but scripts are not binary
[21:32] <dchmelik> so it is cheating and incorrect
[21:32] <agentc0re> BP{k}: Oh, couldn't remember if i had. Sorry.  Yeah, it's legal to brew you own, but you're only supposed to brew 100Gal per household member.
[21:32] <macavity> dchmelik: file /usr/bin/ | more
[21:32] <BP{k}> agentc0re: \o/
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[21:32] <macavity> dchmelik: half that is in /usr/bin/ is not binary......
[21:32] <elderK> Hey, folks.
[21:33] <agentc0re> BP{k}: Yup, i hopefully can fit two kegs in there.  would be a sweet deal.
[21:33] <dchmelik> macavity: when I typed that command it said '/usr/bin: directory
[21:33] <dchmelik> '
[21:33] <macavity> dchmelik: i suggest you read the FHS beore you jumpt to conclusions :P
[21:33] <agentc0re> BP{k}: 5gal Soda kegs mind you.
[21:33] <BP{k}> dchmelik: see hier(7)
[21:33] <macavity> dchmelik: sorry: file /usr/bin/* | more
[21:34] <macavity> BP{k}: nice :-)
[21:34] <dchmelik> I have only read the description in TLDP... so now I need to read FHS?
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[21:34] <BP{k}> dchmelik: honestly you need to read *a lot*
[21:35] <dchmelik> I see that /usr/bin has many scripts... so I will continue to use /usr/local/bin or whatever
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[21:35] <alienBOB> steiger macavity you build the xorg-server package by running "./x11.SlackBuild xserver"
[21:36] <steiger> alienBOB: nope
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[21:36] <steiger> OH
[21:36] <steiger> i thought you were asking
[21:36] <steiger> thanks alienBOB
[21:36] <TwinReverb> mrselfpwn, did you ever have a problem with suspend with your setup?  i had Xorg dump on me after resuming
[21:37] <macavity> alienBOB: thx :-)
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[21:37] <gar0t0> macavity: you use spellcheck.pl on your irssi ?
[21:38] <macavity> gar0t0: no, frankly i dont bother :P
[21:39] <gar0t0> :D
[21:39] <macavity> gar0t0: generally people understand what i am trying to ram into their heads :P
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[21:39] <agentc0re> i usually use pig to translate macavity. :P
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[21:40] <agentc0re> speaking of pig..latin.. Where is old fogie?
[21:40] <agentc0re> Haven't seen him in a while.
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[21:40] <fire|bird> agentc0re: He hasn't been on for quite some time.
[21:40] <macavity> agentc0re: frevbhfyl ntragp0er, lbh fubhyq fgneg hfvat ebg13, nf vg unf gur nqqrq orarsvg bs orvat erirefvoyr
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[21:41] <BP{k}> macavity: rot13.pl dammit ;)
[21:41] <macavity> BP{k}: ah, nice :P
[21:42] <macavity> BP{k}: i take it you have pom.pl too?
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[21:42] <BP{k}> znxrf vg zhpu zber rnfvre, cyhf genafyngr nhgbzntvpnyyl sbe gubfr gung unir vg ehaavat nf jryy.
[21:42] <BP{k}> macavity: pom.pl
[21:42] <BP{k}> ?
[21:42] <macavity> pom(6)
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[21:43] <macavity> for irssi == pom.pl
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[21:44] <BP{k}> macavity: /exec -o pom? ;)
[21:44] <macavity> BP{k}: yes.. but /pom seems more like it for a slacker :P
[21:45] <macavity> i want a script that can look stuff up in the man sections
[21:46] <macavity> eg, any word prefixed with ¤ should be looked up and post fixed with the appropriate (n)
[21:46] <fire|bird> macavity: iirc, I've seen an irssi script that does that. I don't recall the name or where I seen it though.
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[21:47] <gnubien> freenode says on startup: our corporate sponsor Canonical Ltd (http://www.canonical.com).
[21:49] <BP{k}> macavity: ah I have /pom linked to this:
[21:49] <BP{k}> The Moon will be Waxing Gibbous (99.999% of Full). (##slackware default Moon setting)
[21:49] <macavity> lol
[21:49] <|ast|> slackware powaaaaa!!!!
[21:49] <|ast|> :p
[21:49] <straterra> err..yeeah..
[21:49] <icarus_> gnubien: i don't see it on my startup
[21:50] <icarus_> does everyone not like canonical, or what
[21:50] <icarus_> im not sure what to make of them
[21:50] <thrice`> I like canonical
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[21:50] <gnubien> icarus_: irssi?
[21:50] <icarus_> gnubien: no, weechat
[21:50] <thrice`> ubuntu is a great distro
[21:50] <gnubien> icarus_: has freenode been p0wnd?
[21:50] <|ast|> ubuntu for xuxa
[21:50] <|ast|> xDDDDD
[21:50] <macavity> as long as cannonical pays for stuff, sure, i like them
[21:51] <icarus_> irssi can't do vertical window splits
[21:51] <icarus_> not saying i don't like irssi
[21:51] <gnubien> weechat has craptacular fonts
[21:51] <icarus_> gnubien: thats never really been too big of a deal
[21:51] <icarus_> for me
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[21:52] <macavity> who has a nice idea for how to preare a nasty suprise for anyone who attempts to ctcp version check me?
[21:52] <macavity> (short of freenode itself)
[21:52] <gnubien> weechat is ncurses based iirc
[21:52] <macavity> gnubien: so is irssi
[21:53] <gar0t0> 19:52 spellcheck_languages = freenode/##slackware/en_US
[21:53] <agentc0re> macavity: display a link to lemonparty
[21:53] <gar0t0> :D
[21:54] <macavity> agentc0re: i was thinking more along the lines of attempting a buffer overflow attack :P
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[21:55] <gnubien> macavity: http://www.clueponbook.com/cluepon.html
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[21:55] <gar0t0> spellcheck.pl cool \o/
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[21:56] <macavity> gnubien: lol :-)
[21:56] <gnubien> macavity: thats a helpful url when dealing with clueless ppl and trolls
[21:57] <agentc0re> antiwire: http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/07/17/1947237/NASAs-LRO-Captures-High-Res-Pics-of-Apollo-Landing-Sites?from=rss
[21:57] <macavity> oh yes.. already a laundry list of indivuduals comes to mind
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[22:01] <macavity> eviljame1: you are late!
[22:01] <eviljame1> late?  for a very important date?
[22:02] <macavity> no, late as in the late eviljame1 :P
[22:02] <eviljame1> oh heh.
[22:02] <gnubien> macavity: http://scripts.irssi.org/scripts/fakectcp.pl
[22:02] <eviljame1> I'm sure I'll die off shortly.  protip: when unplugging plugs, do not choose wifi router.
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[22:04] <oda> hi there
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[22:05] <fire|bird> oda: hello
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[22:05] <macavity> gnubien: nice, thx :-)
[22:05] <macavity> eviljame1: duely noted, kthxbai... flowers of reef? :P
[22:06] <eviljame1> cremate my remains and fire them from a cannon immediately.
[22:06] Action: fire|bird gets the cannon ready.
[22:08] <macavity> ok, that is a first
[22:08] Action: macavity adds some chemicals to make sure the smoke will be pink
[22:09] <macavity> ghey foonneral comming up :P
[22:09] <fire|bird> haha
[22:09] <gar0t0> fire|bird: hey man!! are you ok ? :)
[22:09] <fire|bird> gar0t0: oh yeah man, doing excellent, thanks. yourself?
[22:09] <gar0t0> fire|bird: ok here :)
[22:09] <agentc0re> fire|bird|phoenix|storm|leet|mega|super|awesome Sup man?  TGIF! :D
[22:10] <eviljame1> tgif indeed!
[22:10] <fire|bird> macavity: Who will console eviljame1's gf? :)
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[22:10] <fire|bird> agentc0re: y0, how's it going? You get that nick as an alias yet?
[22:11] <agentc0re> no, i'll just type a new one as i think of them.
[22:11] <agentc0re> fire|bird: that's impossible to console a girl..  man woman
[22:11] Nick change: eviljame1 -> eviljames
[22:11] <agentc0re> no manual entry found!
[22:12] <fire|bird> agentc0re: alright, that works.
[22:12] <eviljames> like flava flav i'm back from the grave!
[22:12] <fire|bird> eviljames: lol
[22:12] Action: agentc0re looks for zombie killing manual
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[22:12] Action: macavity just unloads the AK47
[22:12] <fire|bird> agentc0re: console as in: to alleviate the grief, sense of loss, or trouble of
[22:13] <agentc0re> fire|bird: i mean what you know.. just giving you crap. :D
[22:13] <fire|bird> :P
[22:13] Action: agentc0re hands macavity his glasses
[22:13] <macavity> agentc0re: sometimes, just sometimes, you just dont start reading manuals.. you use 7.62 steel core amo and C4 en mass :P
[22:13] <agentc0re> you just shot yourself...
[22:13] <fire|bird> agentc0re: and here I was just thinking your were stupid. dang. :P
[22:13] <macavity> agentc0re: ize teh bullet proof cat
[22:14] <agentc0re> fire|bird: i iz in your dictionary, learningz to be smarter than uz!
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[22:15] <fire|bird> agentc0re: eh, my dictionary is just a hard cover copy of the urban dictionary, so, have fun. :)
[22:15] <macavity> lolcats rules :P
[22:15] <agentc0re> macavity++
[22:15] <complexmess> hai guise
[22:15] <agentc0re> macavity: did you see the option to make your own lolcatz picture?
[22:15] <macavity> ohai complexmess
[22:15] <complexmess> how can i have xwd work
[22:15] <complexmess> without meh selecting the window?
[22:15] <macavity> agentc0re: i can haz own lolcat pics?
[22:15] <eviljames> compositing is about to crash my system again.. here goes nothing.
[22:16] <fire|bird> eviljames: or s/nothing/everything/ ;)
[22:16] <agentc0re> macavity: http://cheezburger.com/Default.aspx !!!
[22:16] <complexmess> nver mind
[22:16] <macavity> eviljames: IntelCat iz in ur OpenGLs steeling ur frames!
[22:16] <complexmess> google worked
[22:16] <complexmess> thank you to anyone who attempted to helps
[22:16] <agentc0re> ORLY?!
[22:17] <agentc0re> :D
[22:17] <eviljames> well, compositing fails but xserver stays alive.
[22:17] <eviljames> this is notably good progress!
[22:17] <macavity> agentc0re: okthatiztehcool!
[22:17] <fire|bird> Ah, ah, ah, ah, stayin alive, stayin alive. :D
[22:18] <eviljames> uxa is supposed to be enabled
[22:18] <thrice`> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i dri2      should tell you
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[22:19] <eviljames> GLXBadDrawable eh?
[22:19] <thrice`> (II) intel(0): [DRI2] Setup complete
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[22:20] <agentc0re> http://failblog.org/2009/07/17/victory-celebration-fail/ LOL look at the name on the jersey.
[22:20] <eviljames> everything seems to go well, the log file doesn't have any errors.
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[22:24] <macavity> should i mail this to Pat: http://cheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=4729370 ?
[22:24] <agentc0re> macavity: DO IT!!!
[22:24] <agentc0re> hahaha
[22:25] <agentc0re> I gave it 5 cheezburgers!
[22:26] <macavity> ok, how to get it into the channel topic :P
[22:26] <gar0t0> see you ppl :)
[22:27] <macavity> fuck.. i better go to bed.. it is 04:30 in the morning
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[22:27] <agentc0re> lol
[22:27] <MadMoney> Does Slackware use initrd by default?
[22:27] <MadMoney> (please don't post me to noobfarm)
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[22:28] <macavity> nope
[22:28] <macavity> it uses hugesmp per default, and it is up to you to change that after first boot
[22:28] <thrice`> it uses the huge kernel by default; but you can switch to the generic (and initrd) after the fact
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[22:29] <agentc0re> macavity: http://cheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=4729405
[22:29] <agentc0re> :D
[22:29] <macavity> nooooeees! it iz not ze readie for baking mah cheezburgarz!
[22:30] <agentc0re> lol
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[22:32] <BP{k}> agentc0re: you spelt "now" wrong ;)
[22:33] <macavity> nao
[22:33] <macavity> or naow
[22:33] <macavity> or nauw
[22:33] <BP{k}> noaw.
[22:33] <agentc0re> shit!
[22:33] <macavity> we haz the lolcat dictunary readies?
[22:34] <BP{k}> anyway for poeople who are interested: "http://www.penumbragame.com/game.php" *All three games can be purchased as a collection for about $5(this weekend!), they are also available as single purchases for about $10 each.*
[22:34] <BP{k}> s/poeople/people/
[22:34] <macavity> i better just crash noaw
[22:35] <macavity> i haz teh fubar computar grapix anywyaze :-/
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[22:35] <BP{k}> ohnooess!
[22:36] <fire|bird> BP{k}: ohnooess what? :)
[22:36] <macavity> zleepz gut and fsck teh rest!
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[22:36] <agentc0re> BP{k}: Wow, that looks like a great game!
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[22:37] <phoenix|storm> Hello agentc0re ;)
[22:37] <BP{k}> agentc0re: gonna order it tomorrow. :)
[22:37] <agentc0re> GAHH!!!
[22:38] <BP{k}> fire|bird: it was in reference to macavitys fubarred graphics
[22:39] <phoenix|storm> BP{k}: ah, alright. :)
[22:40] <phoenix|storm> agentc0re: so, what's my name now? :P
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[22:41] <agentc0re> phoenix|storm: jackass? ;)
[22:41] <phoenix|storm> hahaha
[22:42] <phoenix|storm> agentc0re: why?
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[22:44] <agentc0re> joyfull|awesome|client|kiddie|always|super|stocked
[22:45] <phoenix|storm> :O
[22:45] <agentc0re> s/stocked/stooked
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[22:47] <agentc0re> heh i am downloaded the game at 1599KB second. :D
[22:50] <agentc0re> s/downloaded/downloading
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[22:52] <reallove> BP{k}: which one do you recommend to try for the first time (the demo) ? Overture or Black Plague ?
[22:53] <BP{k}> reallove: overture.
[22:53] <reallove> ok,thanks,downloading the demo right now
[22:53] <BP{k}> I haven't tried BlackPlague, I only downloaded the demo to see if it would run on slackware-current.
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[22:57] <reallove> damn it's coming slow
[22:57] <Motoko-chan> ...
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[22:59] <agentc0re> reallove: Heh, i downloaded all 3, about 900MB, in less than 10min.
[22:59] <agentc0re> That's awesome!
[22:59] <agentc0re> 1.6Mb a second.
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[23:00] <haldir> must be nice to  have that big a pipe
[23:00] <agentc0re> Thats what she said
[23:00] <thumbs> [ in bed ]
[23:01] <agentc0re> I was waiting for that one to follow :D
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[23:02] <bernie_> does slackware 12.2 support the rum4 wireless driver
[23:02] <bernie_> ?
[23:03] <|ast|> iwli...?
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[23:04] <antler> haldir: do you like his big pipe?
[23:05] <RipVanWinkle> i dont even see rum4 in the kernel source > device dirvers > network > wireless LAN
[23:05] <agentc0re> antler: You know i would only save it for you.
[23:06] <antler> agentc0re: yeah, i was just gonna say, "because you can't have it. it's mine!"
[23:06] <agentc0re> rum4, i thought the rum was gone...
[23:06] <agentc0re> antler: lol
[23:06] <danc3> rum is for sissies who can't handle tequila
[23:06] <haldir> his bandwidth, yeah, you will  have to tell me about the other when you get done
[23:06] <RipVanWinkle> bernie_: is that the chip on the wifi card?
[23:07] <RipVanWinkle> danc3 get a bottle of 195 proof Everclear and come back and tell me how it was
[23:07] <danc3> RipVanWinkle: got that T-shirt already
[23:07] <danc3> although many years ago...  ;)
[23:07] <bernie_> chip is ralink rt73usb
[23:08] <RipVanWinkle> then yes, slackware supports the rt73
[23:08] <RipVanWinkle> there is firmware in /n for it
[23:08] <reallove> agentc0re: good for you :)
[23:08] <bernie_> thank you
[23:09] <antler> reallove: "i wanna know what love is, i want you to show me." --foreigner
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[23:09] <reallove> yeah,I know that song,is a good one :)
[23:10] <antler> agentc0re: just called to switch isp
[23:10] <antler> no more 17.2 mb/s......
[23:10] <antler> *sniff*
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[23:16] <gabriel__> new changelog
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[23:29] Action: BP{k} upgrades
[23:31] <haldir> new version on nmap
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[23:33] <gabriel__> http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-current/ChangeLog.txt
[23:35] <BP{k}> most of us know where to find it gabriel__. ;)
[23:35] <Dominian> its been like that all day
[23:35] <gabriel__> BP{k}, :(
[23:35] Action: Dominian already applied updates
[23:35] <BP{k}> Dominian: ditto.
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[23:40] <alisonken1church> I have a bookmark for it :)
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[23:46] <nix_chix0r> i faked a migraine to get out of work early <3
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[23:46] <gabriel__> lol
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[23:54] <i3lack0p> i have about 2000 emails that need to go out that are sitting in root account on these 3 tomcat servers due to failed relay... is there a way to resend them out of the root mailbox?... the relay failed due to corrupted firewall setting that has been corrected?
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[23:56] <shonudo>  i3lack0p, i'm not quite sure what you've got going, but can't you transfer what you have (anything you have) somewhere else, i.e., into a user mailbox, regular mailbox, etc?
[23:58] <i3lack0p> hold ill post example to pastebin
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[23:58] <nix_chix0r> fire|bird, mew
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