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[01:00] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:00] oobe, much :) [01:01] _Blaise (~Blaise@190.68.143.73) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [01:01] could be skeeter bites on the knees or other places....(X) (X) ..ahh.much better.:') [01:02] ( * ) ( * ) [01:03] alison's perky this evening :) [01:04] yea lol [01:04] just have good memories of the wife :) [01:04] do you have a wife? [01:04] 14 years in july [01:05] I assumed your female [01:05] unless you are [01:05] or you both use the same nick [01:05] not according to the wife :) [01:05] she doesn't irc [01:06] alisonken ? [01:06] alison is a female name [01:06] allisonken is the wife, I'm alisonken1 - based on juno email from dialup days [01:06] so you both use the same nick [01:07] pretty much [01:07] close but not the sme [01:07] same [01:07] is her name alison? [01:07] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:07] allison - 2 L's [01:07] and is your name ken [01:07] yep [01:08] and here i had come up with a much more interesting explanation - heh [01:08] Does Dick Army die his hair? [01:08] s/die/dye [01:10] mancha, and what was your theory? [01:11] alisonken1 came from miami, f-l-a; hitchhiked her way across the u-s-a... [01:11] :P [01:11] heh [01:11] nope - california boy born and raised. same with the wife [01:11] byteframe, had to wiki him...hard to say from his pic [01:11] MLanden, I think so, just saw two recent clips. Inside, nice and brown. Outside, gray. [01:12] Dick Armey maybe [01:12] ? [01:12] Yes, sorry. [01:12] Armey. [01:16] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) joined ##slackware. [01:17] i need an alarm clock. does slackware have the answer? ;) [01:17] several - especially if you use kde [01:18] i dont, but whats it called in kde? [01:18] kalarm [01:18] nickals (~nickals@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. 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[02:29] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@support.team.at.shellium.org' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:29] Guest45780 (titan@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [02:29] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@support.team.at.shellium.org' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:29] Guest45780 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: You seem to know exactly how far to push things before leaving the channel, which tells me that you deserve a ban anyway. Five days. Stop being such a drama queen. [02:30] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:31] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [02:33] alienBlurb (3351@connie.slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [02:34] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [02:34] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) left irc: Quit: mosno [02:35] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) joined ##slackware. [02:37] when does he learn? [02:38] MoZes (3355@connie.slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [02:38] rworkman (3356@connie.slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [02:40] still has a day or two left :) besides, I think it's a bot since it tries to log in within a short period (<1min) after getting unbanned [02:42] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [02:47] rworkman (3356@connie.slackware.com) left irc: Changing host [02:47] rworkman (3356@about/slackware/rworkman) joined ##slackware. [02:47] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-186.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:47] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:48] raela (~raela@cpe-67-241-18-71.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:49] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [02:49] alisonken1noc: what's that? [02:50] jeev (email@unaffiliated/jeev) left ##slackware. [02:50] jeev (~email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [02:51] rworkman, he's talking aobout that shellium host [02:51] rworkman: heyhey. you mentioned you bricked the guruplug a few times...is that because you screwed up flashing a new uboot? [02:51] [11:26pm] * slackboy sets mode: +b *!*@support.team.at.shellium.org [02:51] [11:27pm] Guest45780 was kicked by slackboy (Banned: You seem to know exactly how far to push things before leaving the channel, which tells me that you deserve a ban anyway. Five days. Stop being such a drama queen.) [02:51] oh, that guy. [02:51] ang: yes. several times [02:52] Well, one of the uboot binaries was bad [02:52] and then I built my own but screwed it up a couple of times [02:52] and then I pebkac'd it once [02:52] a new u-boot is required for armedslack? [02:53] Well, not exactly. Supposedly there's a uboot out there that supports loadin gkernel from ext formatted partition on the usb/sd card [02:53] gotcha [02:53] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:53] but I never could make that work, so I just ended up flashing the kernel and initrd into nand [02:53] I have a post on the armedslack list that detailed all my trials and tribulations :) [02:54] cool [02:55] i just got this little handheld that's has an arm cpu and runs linux...i'm tempted to flash u-boot (it uses a different bootloader called blob) [02:55] mac- (~mac@mandzur.pl) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:55] ooh, that's risky :) [02:55] but if you brick it, you need to solder the wires to the pcb and reflash via jtag....which is WAAAAY beyond my skill level [02:55] Yeah, I wouldn't attempt that :) [02:55] afk for a bit - /dev/infant requires input on stdin [02:56] rworkman: this is the device: http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/28/38-zipit-wireless-messenger-receives-linux-injection-becomes/ [02:57] hehehe...hopefully there was nothing in /dev/stdout :) [02:57] or just stdout (it's late!) 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[03:43] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:45] never_mind (~dexter@219.64.95.198) joined ##slackware. [03:45] Nick change: never_mind -> Dexter [03:45] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) left irc: Client Quit [03:45] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [03:46] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) joined ##slackware. [03:46] so if i have found a bug, i email info@slackware.com ? [03:47] what kind of bug? [03:47] You first ask here mosno [03:47] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [03:47] alisonken1home: a documentation bug [03:48] What documentation mosno [03:48] And what bug [03:48] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:48] mosno, if it takes more than 3 lines to describe, then use http://pastebin.ca or your favorite pastebin [03:49] alienBOB: the Slackware 13.1 DVD's README.TXT lists a "slackware" directory, but the actual directory on the DVD is slackware64. it's obviously a very minor bug, but probably worth noting. [03:50] slackware 13.1 is not slackware64 - you have to look at slackware64 13.1 [03:50] but I'll look [03:51] semantics, but "Welcome to Slackware 13.1! (64-bit x86_64 edition)" [03:51] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [03:51] mosno, but you did comprehend the document, didn't you? that's the point :) [03:52] slava_dp: what's the poitn? [03:52] point* [03:52] was that the official (purchased) dvd, or a downloaded image? [03:52] alisonken1noc: the official torrent [03:53] ok - I'll check the dvd when I get home [03:54] aimbot (~innocence@40.net219096018.t-com.ne.jp) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:57] Well it is an error in the README.TXT so feel free to email info@ mosno [03:58] alienBOB: ok, will do [03:58] phrag (phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [03:58] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [03:58] morning all o/ [03:58] add the info that it's on the torrent iso. if you have a purchased dvd and it's the same, then you can say something about that as well [03:58] y0 phrag [03:59] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [03:59] alisonken1noc, the dvd, the torrent, the mirrors, all host the same README.TXT [03:59] hah [03:59] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.80) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:59] ah [03:59] rather [04:02] ok - I have an rsync of slackware.mirrors.tds.net - and the README.TXT is missing from the tree [04:03] (tree - not iso) [04:03] alison, i'm sure he's telling the truth [04:03] alisonken1 - torrent ISO is what is going to be pressed onto real DVDs too [04:03] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:03] I'm sure as well since I remember the readme's on the cd's/dvd in my subscription. I was just noting that the tree seems to be missing the README [04:04] at least on tds.net [04:04] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [04:04] alisonken1noc: missing README files is a configuration error of the mirror servers - many servers filter README* [04:04] hmm [04:04] baindead apache configs [04:04] *braindead [04:04] maybe it's time to submit my mirror to slackware [04:04] Type README.TXT literally in the URL and you will get it [04:05] ah - there it is [04:05] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware64-13.1/README.TXT [04:05] http://slackware/slackware/slackware64-13.1/README.TXT [04:05] http://slackware.dreamhost.com/slackware/slackware64-13.1/README.TXT rather [04:06] But you will not see it in the directory listing... and also README_LVM.TXT and README_CRYPT.TXT are not seen (and thus you will not download it when you mirror that server) [04:06] I use rsync - so it should be there as well [04:06] Yes [04:06] yep - there [04:07] ok - forgot about that apache stuff [04:07] yup, is on my tree's [04:07] and my mirror is using apache on slackware64 too [04:07] have to check those settings then [04:07] Look at rsync rsync://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/slackware/slackware64-13.1/ ... the READMEs are visible over rsync [04:07] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.80) joined ##slackware. [04:08] It's an apache (mis)configuration issue [04:08] yep [04:08] ssh to my mirror shows them [04:09] so i'm guessing slackware doesn't have a public bug database (or even appropriate bug mailing list) in the interests of simplicity? [04:11] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:11] Indeed [04:11] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [04:13] nice and intimate :-) okay, time to go socialise a bit. thanks all. [04:13] Action: mancha looks up socialise in the dictionary [04:14] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [04:14] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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[04:30] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@support.team.at.shellium.org' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [04:30] Guest45780 (titan@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [04:30] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@support.team.at.shellium.org' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [04:30] Guest45780 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: You seem to know exactly how far to push things before leaving the channel, which tells me that you deserve a ban anyway. Five days. Stop being such a drama queen. [04:30] lol [04:30] someone must at least shorten the ban message to just "Banned" [04:31] cause five days seems not so true to me [04:31] you don't like 5 line ban messages every 20 minutes?? [04:31] yeah, that's what I come to ##slackware for, to enjoy long ban messages :-) [04:31] me too!! [04:32] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [04:32] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [04:35] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@support.team.at.shellium.org' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [04:35] Guest45780 (titan@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [04:35] Okay, it's been at least five days :) so I removed it. [04:35] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Client Quit [04:36] When are you going to ban rob0?!? [04:36] ban r0b0 now! [04:36] yeah ! [04:36] Octember Eleventyfirst. [04:36] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:36] t0f (~10000@69.72.53.84) joined ##slackware. [04:38] gh0st (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:39] and here I thought there was another day or two left [04:39] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:41] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@77.79.178.77.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:42] hehe [04:43] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [04:46] 13.1 has been out a month already??? [04:46] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:47] nader (~nader@85.133.205.38) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:47] i MUST be a slacker :\ [04:49] t0f, and a pretty nice release too, get it quick =] [04:49] any place to dl the cd iso's, yet [04:50] bit torrent is not my friend at 56k [04:50] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:50] http://slackware.naptime.net/ :-) [04:50] thanks [04:50] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:50] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [04:51] how is dl'ing the image better than torrent? you're still capped at 56k, no? [04:51] mancha, it's better [04:51] how? [04:51] mancha: but i can't afford to give 1k of upstream [04:52] the torrent generates lots of parasite traffic, like announces, peer exchange, dht, etc. [04:52] t0f, slackware.dreamhost.com/slackware has dvd iso as well [04:52] and yeah, you won't really be able to seed much at 56k [04:52] no torrents yet, though [04:52] oh? ok [04:52] no - I don't have torrent setup on that server yet [04:53] and it's a dvd of the tree I have, not a mirror of the official iso atm - working on that part [04:53] did Pat bring back gnome? (just kidding) [04:54] thems fighting words - even when kidding :) [04:54] t0f, sure. gsb works wonders. [04:54] gnome slackbuild is at 2.30 now [04:54] heheheh i know [04:54] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:54] only 2 packages will be replaced apparantly [04:54] haven't tried it yet though [04:55] gave up on gnome a few years ago - about the time pat dropped it [04:55] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [04:55] think I tried it once or twice since then (other job), but still don't like it [04:56] it's a bit bloated [04:56] I try to keep track of the 3 big ones once in a while although personally I prefer a simpel tiling windowmanager [04:56] heck kde is too [04:56] that and the "apparently open a new window for every mouseclick" got me as well [04:56] i run xfce [04:57] I've got gsb installed on a T30 here; it's quite nice [04:57] really robby? [04:57] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [04:57] hey guys [04:57] t0f: yep :) [04:57] cool [04:58] You'll probably want to upgrade to my xfce-4.6.2 package if you use xfce some, at least if you install gsb-2.30; the thunar in 4.6.1 doesn't like gtk-2.20.x [04:58] rworkman, is that a recent decision? to give gsb a run for its money or have you been using gsb for a while? [04:58] say I was using Audacious but that thing really uses up the CPU and I was wondering are there any options/preferences to set to not have it using so much cpu? [04:58] or I'm just going back to xmms [04:58] mancha: it was just a curiousity thing [04:58] *curiosity [04:58] I still use xfce [04:58] (gsb isn't on my main laptop) [04:59] Xgates, try deadbeef [04:59] deadbeef LOL, what the heck... [04:59] it's on sbo, the best player around [04:59] deadbeef used to be a debugging string [04:59] fallen (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [04:59] just update the ver to 0.4.1, it's the latest [04:59] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:00] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [05:00] nahh I don't want anything like that I like small simple players like xmms [05:00] I don't need an organizer [05:00] mpg321? [05:00] v4nelle (~van@79.107.195.29) joined ##slackware. [05:00] but since xmms is a bit dated Pat moved onto to Audacious, but it sucks up the CPU really bad [05:01] mplayer runs ok [05:01] for audio too [05:01] I think vlc is better then mplayer [05:01] yes [05:01] fallen (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) joined ##slackware. [05:01] for me vlc has always been about video playback and I use other apps for music [05:02] yeah vlc is suppose to be good for music, I've never used it as a music player [05:02] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.80) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:02] Xgates, deadbeef *is* simpler than xmms and audacious. just give it a go. [05:02] and it uses less resources. [05:03] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:04] how is the music quality though? Cause I have a really killer mp3 collection that's high quality rips and some flac too [05:04] 0.4.1 even has a great EQ now. [05:04] choppernator (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [05:04] none of these players have their own decoders [05:04] and it shows album art (if you tell it to) [05:05] anyone ever hear of a problem with Athlon-64 dual core with the cpu fan not working? [05:05] ok I'll grab this slackbuild for 0.4.1 http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/audio/deadbeef/ [05:06] PenPerkInc (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:06] Xgates, read the reame for deps [05:06] k [05:06] so if its an mp3 it'll use libmp3lame, which is what'll determine the quality [05:06] sheesh I hope it has no deps needed, the lighter the better [05:06] PenPerkInc (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:06] cough [05:07] none of the deps are needed. [05:07] I have none of them and it works great. [05:07] ok [05:07] yeah you only need the deps if you actually want it to play [05:07] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:07] I certainly don't want all of them to much for me [05:08] actually want it to play LOL [05:08] choppernator (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Client Quit [05:08] what is the memory max with the athlon64? around 12 gigs? [05:08] you will want to have faad2 to play aac (I have no aac files) [05:08] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:08] pilipo (~pilipo@203.177.147.86) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:08] slava, try to play an mp3 without lame [05:08] t0f: depends on the motherboard [05:08] ok [05:09] mancha, I have NO lame. mp3 works. [05:09] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [05:09] Mine is limited to 8GB; theoretical limits would be the limit of the 64bit address space [05:09] lame is an encoder, not a decoder. [05:09] well you have some mp3 decoder [05:09] lame is both [05:10] mine is probably limited to 4 x 2g sticks, also [05:10] and trust me, if you have no deps then deadbeef won't play shit. you probably have deps and don't even know it :) [05:11] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [05:11] I don't think any amd64/EM64T CPUs currently implement a full 64 bit address space anyway, 56 is about as high as they go at this point (My Phenom II is only 48) [05:11] mancha, will libsndfile do? [05:12] LSD`: makes sense [05:13] mancha: well, seems odd that it has a pretty big list of deps and I'm compiling it right now without any of them, let you know in a few how it goes [05:13] that'll gelp with wav files... [05:13] ok i have to bribe a friend with cable to get slack32 and slack64 for me :| [05:13] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.107) joined ##slackware. [05:14] I hope he's a nice friend t0f [05:14] it needs some mp3 support for mp3s...be it libmad, lame, ffmpeg... [05:14] Xgates: yes. that's a lot to ask [05:14] yeah I know, but not sure why it's compiling without them though, like most source you don't have the deps it craps on you... [05:14] t0f, or get a slackware subscription - then you'll automatically get updated dvd's :) [05:15] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [05:15] alisonken1noc: i am considering it [05:15] still compiling hasn't crapped, complaining about deps... [05:15] the project is totally worth it [05:16] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:16] the only time i thought slackware was not too good is when i loaded it in 1993 [05:17] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [05:17] no distrib was that good in '93 [05:17] yes [05:17] you know I don't think vegetarians are going to want to use this program [05:17] unix was! [05:17] LMAO [05:17] hw support was very limited and who wanted 10 floppies! [05:17] bsdi? [05:17] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [05:18] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [05:18] cry me a wind river [05:18] i had sco [05:18] I think I first started using slack at 7 [05:18] or maybe 8 [05:18] newbie [05:18] lol [05:18] newbie LOL that was 10 years ago [05:18] the same sco that while on microsoft's payroll brought a baseless suit that has hurt linux immeasurably?!? [05:18] Action: surrounder started with 3.x [05:18] Xgates, I've been running slackware since SLS days when they gave it to Patrick [05:19] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [05:19] maybe a year or two longer [05:19] and debian 1.x and redhat 4.x [05:19] sls? [05:19] SoftLanding Systems [05:19] ahhh [05:19] at least they lost they last appeal (sco) [05:19] and they went belly up meantime [05:19] good [05:19] :)))))) [05:20] not so good, the execs made out great .... [05:20] oh Slack hasn't always been Pat's distro? [05:20] it's based off sls [05:20] xenix was bad [05:20] http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/gldt1006.png <-- big image of timeline [05:20] Pat basically forked sls and started fixing it [05:20] I thought Pat created Slack [05:20] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Quit: new .screenrc [05:20] pat was fixing sls packages, then they basically gave it over to him - when he renamed it to slackware [05:20] well deadbeef compiled without any deps [05:20] the tgz package heritage is from sls iirc :-) [05:21] ahhh [05:21] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [05:21] both pat and ian forked off of sls cause they were unhappy with it. the sls folks didn't think any fixing was needed, so saying he fixed it is subjective :) [05:21] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:21] ok deadbeef installed [05:21] here goes for some mp3 playing [05:21] alisonken1noc: they did not hand over SLS to Pat [05:22] let's see what happens [05:22] Xgates, go on, test some mp3 [05:22] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [05:22] alienBOB, they died - which effectively gave it to pat :) [05:22] alison not true [05:22] both ian and pat forked off of sls [05:22] that's it [05:22] the rest is your imagination :) [05:23] originally, as noted in pat's interview, he was fixing sls packages to make it easier for his professor to install sls - then he just kept it up [05:23] Indeed. He forked off from SLS [05:24] mancha: it has it's own plugins/decoders: http://pastebin.com/L48xTUrW [05:24] Like, if Slackware dies, Pat would _not_ have given it to Zenwalk if they kept it on [05:24] slava_dp: yeah no wonder it has it's own -- http://pastebin.com/L48xTUrW [05:24] alienBOB, more technically correct, true :) [05:25] SLS became obsolete, that is true [05:25] does it play mp3? [05:25] alisonken1noc: nice history timeline [05:26] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:26] mancha, I remember the first releases of slackware - " A better SLS than SLS" comes to ming [05:26] mind [05:26] I was stationed at a Naval research facility working on a linux project [05:26] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [05:26] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [05:27] I used Yggdrasil at the time. [05:27] back in thsed ays yggdrasil was poplar [05:27] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:27] I did not start with Slackware until several years later [05:27] I think I tried that one as well, but patrick's was easier to work with IIRC [05:27] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/tdose2009/t-dose-slackware.pdf has some info about Slackware's history [05:27] yggdrasil and sls sort of had center stage [05:28] when did color.gz go the way of the dodo [05:28] Xgates, does it play an mp3? [05:28] WoOT MP3 deadbeef playback ----> http://img651.imageshack.us/f/21967434.jpg/ [05:29] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [05:29] Yepper lookie :) [05:29] and you are sure you don't have the libmad package? [05:29] I'll try some flac in a bit [05:29] looks nice [05:29] SiegeX, when floppies were no longer needed to install [05:29] yeah I don't have anything in this box [05:29] ls /var/log/packages/libmad* [05:29] mancha: it has it's own decoders in it [05:29] im trying to think what version of slackware was my first [05:29] Xgates: what's the stuff on the right? fancy conkey config ? [05:29] pretty sure it was 4 [05:29] remember the boot floppy and the root floppy? heh [05:30] nice to see fred as a core team now [05:30] t0f, yep [05:30] mancha: ahh my bad I have libmad it comes in Slack I forgot that one [05:30] and 22 floppies to install [05:30] i win [05:30] lol [05:30] I used to d/l the floppy images on my os/2 box [05:31] reminds me of installing Tie Fighter for DOS [05:31] i was a dos clown in those days [05:31] what about ls /var/log/packages/flac* [05:31] and you had to keep the stupid manual by your side so you can look up some symbol on page X [05:31] revel0 (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:31] i remember loading windows v1.03...what a joke [05:32] crap! im old [05:32] revel0 (~revel0@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [05:33] t0f, I remember installing dos v1.5 [05:33] my first computer was an xt clone that used a shift register I/C as the keyboard interface [05:33] and I had already been in the Navy for a few years by then [05:34] mancha: does Slack have a flac pkg? [05:34] if i start getting forgetful i might have to switch to ubuntu, naw, i smash the 'puter first [05:34] what about ls /var/log/packages/flac* [05:34] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:34] ok [05:35] ok my bad I forgot about the flac pack I have that installed [05:35] my first pc was a 4.77mhz xt [05:35] deadbeef is playing my flac songs [05:35] ;p [05:35] my microwave's chip is faster than 4.77mhz :) [05:35] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:36] hehehehehe [05:36] My first PC was an XT clone as well, but it was a decade or more old when I got it :P [05:36] mine was a 1 y/o handmedown [05:36] mine was state of the art, then [05:36] 1984, i think [05:37] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Quit: new .screenrc [05:37] i had a cool ti-99 4/a before that [05:37] mine was a DQ flip flop [05:37] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [05:39] Xgates, see the builtin help to enable cover art, it's pretty nice [05:39] slava_dp: ----> http://img338.imageshack.us/f/59411423.jpg/ :) [05:39] the eq looks pretty cool [05:40] hey so what's everyone think about deadbeef? [05:40] seems to be playing good... [05:40] Action: slava_dp <3 deadbeef [05:40] best cooked rare [05:40] Action: SiegeX calls dibs on the ribeye [05:41] well it doesn't use as much cpu as audaicous does [05:41] about 14% for me [05:41] i'll take the tongue [05:43] sumati (sumati@82.178.69.201) left ##slackware. [05:44] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [05:44] somethign must be wrong on your box, here audacious uses less resources than deadbeef on the same mp3 [05:44] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [05:44] audacious is about 60% as intensive as deadbeef here. [05:44] dive|bsd, actually medium rare is good [05:45] slava_dp: ok I got it, but how can I make it display the .jpg bigger> [05:45] ? [05:47] here qmmp and audacious are about tied, deadbeef is about 67% more cpu intensive than either of those two. [05:47] clementine's the worst. [05:48] I like qmmp, but I also use vlc for audio (I mostly listen to Icecast streams) [05:48] flash displays eat my cpu for dinner [05:49] cypherpunko (yogini@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware. [05:49] t0f: feature [05:49] cypherpunko (~yogini@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [05:49] slava_dp: do your images display fairly big? [05:49] is ext3 still the default fs in slack 13.1? [05:50] no ext4 [05:50] COOL! [05:51] sadman_ (~sadman@en-pc243.htwg-konstanz.de) joined ##slackware. [05:52] i have to put some m-80's in this box [05:52] cat /etc/slackware-version [05:52] Slackware 12.1.0 [05:52] yikes! [05:52] yeah i do too, i just need a new qmmp skin, my default one sucks [05:53] the xmms skin in audaicous looks good [05:53] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [05:53] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:54] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [05:54] Xgates, just resize the column [05:55] hrmm, there a new qmmp, guess it's compile time, they seem to have fixed a few bug and add in flv support [05:55] what's video support in a music player for? [05:56] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:56] those pretty fractals that show up from the sound :) [05:58] does ext4 support an encrypted fs? [05:59] t0f it doesnt' work lieke that [05:59] no? [05:59] t0f, see README_CRYPT.TXT [05:59] no [05:59] what exactly are you trying to ask? :) [06:00] i'd like to encrypt my music and pr0n partitions heheheh [06:00] t0f, ok, ext4 would be the fs inside an encrypted partition [06:00] the choice method in linux these days for encrypting a partition is dm+luks [06:01] slava_dp: AH HA [06:01] lol [06:01] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [06:01] Action: Xgates resizes and watches it grow :) [06:01] thanks [06:03] slava_dp:thanks [06:06] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:06] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [06:07] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [06:09] an interesting read. but encryption will slow down disk access, but by a factor of what? [06:09] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [06:09] depends on your HW [06:09] p3 1gh [06:09] slava_dp: night theme to cool the eyes LOL ---> http://img532.imageshack.us/f/62800607.jpg/ [06:10] thanks to slava_dp I now have a COOL player [06:10] this thing is playing flac nice [06:10] t0f no free lunches [06:10] i here ya [06:11] hear ever [06:11] Action: Xgates gets a beer to celebrate WoOT [06:11] what pkg to you install Xgates? [06:12] they sell thin form factors with aes in the chips etc [06:12] t0f: sorry what? [06:12] makes on-the-fly encryption pretty quick [06:12] what audio player? [06:12] what's the best part of a disk to use for swap ? [06:13] something not too far away from the part that'll use it [06:13] I set up sda1 as /boot, sda2 as / sda3 as swap and sda4 as /home [06:13] t0f: deadbeef, slava_dp just told me about it, have a look ---> http://img532.imageshack.us/f/62800607.jpg/ [06:13] k [06:13] http://deadbeef.sourceforge.net/ [06:14] not too many dependencies? [06:14] slackbuilds has a slackbuild but you can get 0.4.1 and use the slackbuild, just change the version [06:14] t0f: I didn't install and deps for it, I just have libmad, flac and alsa [06:14] and/any.... [06:14] alisonken1noc: the higher-numbered partitions are on the "outside" of the disk ? [06:15] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.107) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:15] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [06:15] trhodes, drives are not like cd's/dvd's - the outside of the disk is the beginning of the drive where cd/dvd's use the inside of the drive as beginning [06:15] Xgates: yes i have all that too. does deadbeat support ladspa? [06:15] One machine I have Linux running on / is sda1 and swap is on sda5. The netbook is slightly different, because I was trying to get two SSDs joied together into a single filesystem and I forget how I laid that out... sawp is probably on sdb6 or 7 [06:15] t0f: but whatever else libs Slack has, I have them installed by default so I didn't have to install anything else to compile deadbeef [06:15] rafu (~slackrunn@77.53.11.107) joined ##slackware. [06:16] it's even more complex than that, a drive isnt a single disk, it is a set of platters [06:16] so hard drives use edge->spindle direction where cd/dvd's use spindle->edge direction [06:16] not sure I'll look and see if I see it [06:16] mancha, only on the better drives :) [06:16] alisonken1noc: outside being highest rotational angular velocity ? (i've tested raw sequential speeds before, and iirc i got the partitions backwards to how i intended them to be) [06:16] mancha: ah ok [06:17] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:17] trhodes, most drives now use variable speed depending on what distance from the spindle you're at so they can maximize space used on the platter [06:17] ah ok [06:17] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [06:17] To be honest though, we're at a point where machines have more than enough RAM that swap is used so rarely, if at all, that it's not worth wasting time optimisating it's location on the disk [06:17] i use some, not much [06:17] certainly not a big perfomance issue [06:18] *performance [06:18] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [06:18] LSD`, for the most part - swap now is mainly used for hibernating (mostly portables, but some desktops if you're an energy-saving freak) [06:18] you can also use a swap "file" that is located in your most-used partition [06:18] You need a small amount to keep the VM subsystem happy afaik, but where a long way from teh days where machines were shipped with 2MB or 4MB when 8MB was the minimum you needed [06:18] my swap fills quickly after firefox, gimp, and k3b are loaded and unloaded [06:19] and xsane [06:19] i probably will end up messing around with hibernation [06:20] hibernation, yeah, do i need to start that task by combing thru my bios first? [06:20] alisonken1noc: Yeah, but hibernate still doesn't work reliably enough to warrant the creation of a huge-ass swap partition. Even if it did, it still wouldn't hurt terribly much to have it on a less-than-optimal area of the disk since it's read and written linearly, not randomly, whihc is what kills swap performance as I understand it [06:21] because i seem to never down my systems: 06:19:04 up 37 days, 15:44, 18 users, load average: 0.57, 0.35, 0.19 [06:22] i haven't rebooted since the fall of '78 [06:22] lol [06:22] negative epoch, eh ? :P [06:22] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:23] oh n/m, that was 1970 [06:23] t0f: I read somewhere it has ladspa support but don't see it on the site so you might want to grab the src and look at [06:24] Xgates: k [06:25] Action: t0f 's system has been up so long, my last boot was from paper tape [06:25] lol [06:25] 6:23pm up 2 days, 1:20, 1 user, load averages: 0.03, 0.07, 0.04 [06:25] ohhh figured out how to drop the cpu usage too so now went from 14% to 9% :) [06:25] had a pwer outage due to weather :P [06:25] me too [06:25] hence considering stuff like hibernation :/ [06:26] well it's in the FAQ: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/deadbeef/index.php?title=Manual:FAQ#Deadbeef_takes_too_much_CPU.25_when_playing_mp3.2Fogg.2Fflac [06:26] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [06:26] A better option is a UPS, but I can't be bothered/afford it [06:26] electricity is getting too costly to not hibernate [06:26] i have one (!) [06:26] the outages here exceed my ups's ability often [06:27] I usually use forced downtime as incentive to perform upgrades and whatnot I've been putting off because I like watching the uptime counter go up and up XD [06:27] hey they make batteries for laptops they should make some sort of built in battery for desktops so you don't need a ups... [06:27] LSD`, not sure about how the swap is written/read to, although I would think it would be random rather than linear since it's not reloading the _whole_ swap back into ram, only the pages that are needed to be swapped [06:27] LSD`: haha yeah, often i have things ready for next outage [06:28] besides, with disk drive speed/size nowadays, unless you're trying to host the library of congress or the whole internet pr0n, it shouldn't be that big of an issue [06:29] i get power outages here often too. back in the ext2 days, i almost converted to windows [06:30] alisonken1noc: I was referring more to the hibernate situations, whihc I understand is just the contents of RAM written to the swap partition in a huge lump at shutdwon adn reread back into RAM the same way at the next. Normal VM swap operations would be random, you;re right [06:31] Xgates: I actualy sure a desktop PSU like that once, heh [06:31] i think djb recommends 'em [06:31] wouldn't swaping out to a usb stick give you the best power saving? [06:31] hibernation i mean [06:31] usb sticks still have maximum writability issues yet [06:32] and usb is still _much_ slower that hard drive [06:32] what about flash for journals ? [06:32] and hibernation is not an issue since you hibernate and turn off the harddrives [06:32] same with flash [06:32] number of writes before medium failure [06:32] When a system is hibernating it's completely off you can't save more power than that, heh [06:33] well, not _completely_ off for desktops, but for all intents and purposes, yes [06:34] a few fans would still be running, i think [06:35] nope - not in hibernate mode [06:35] oh? [06:35] Oh, right, there's still standby power in a desktop [06:35] the only power used by desktops in sleep/hibernate mode are the wake-on-lan and a couple of other minor functions [06:35] the cpu and everything else is powered down [06:35] +5VSB is always on, even if the rest of the supply is shut down [06:35] sounds like just what i want [06:36] except in sleep mode you're also powering your memory [06:36] sleep's not as power efficient [06:36] but you get faster startup [06:36] ananke: sleep and hibernate are two different things [06:36] ok - give you that one - there is a minor difference between sleep and hibernate :) [06:36] LSD`: why do you think i was pointing it out? [06:36] I was just noting that major parts are powered down [06:37] alisonken1noc: I don't know, no one was even talking about sleep mode beofre that [06:37] oops, meant ananke [06:38] interesting side note, new mac minis are supposedly using only 10W when 'idle', which is impresssive [06:38] LSD`: 06:33 alisonken1noc> the only power used by desktops in sleep/hibernate mode [06:39] oops, missed that bit :P [06:39] Anyway, hibernate has never worked reliably in Linux that I'm aware of despite various attempts at correcting that over the last decade or so [06:40] LSD`: sorry what? [06:41] Action: ananke uses it quite often. without issues [06:41] my laptop hibernates fine, uptime was a little less than a year before I reinstalled it with slack 13.1 :-) [06:41] granted, i use sleep function more often [daily basis] [06:41] I never said it flat out didn't work, just that it doesn't work reliably [06:42] althouth it doesn't suspend well, stops occasionally [06:42] Hibernate was unreliable for me (mostly failing to wake up maybe 5-10% of the time) on slackware 13.0, but I've yet to see any unreliability on slackware 13.1 [06:42] It may work fine for some people, but doesn't for others [06:42] LSD`: change your hardware. [06:43] Does the newest kernel work bad for someone? Okay, maybe I'm too optimistic but I'm hoping it's fixed now [06:43] ananke: not really an adequate solution when Windows can hibernate relibaly on pretty much anything [06:43] i have an xp install that botches hibernates with ease [06:43] LSD`: well, the first tip: upgrade your firmware ;) [06:43] and windows has been hibernating since 2001 too [06:44] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [06:44] BIOSes are buggy, often in ways that break operating systems that work by standards [06:44] Knightingale (~Lord@unaffiliated/knightingale) joined ##slackware. [06:45] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:45] hey guys.. which ATTRIBUTE's from smartctl should i keep an eye to determine when i need to replace my HDD ? [06:45] slava_dp, and windows has a head start since they control the hardware :) [06:45] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [06:46] Knightingale, block moves due to ecc errors and such [06:46] would be one [06:46] Knightingale, run smartd, whichever attributes come up in the logs as "Pre-Fail" are yours. [06:46] Knightingale, you can enable smartd in /etc/rc.d/rc.M [06:48] i was thinking more along the lines of PowerOnHours and one of the other ones that resembles read/write to the plate [06:49] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [06:49] fwiw, i know of a google study that didn't find a strong correlation between SMART and drive failures [06:49] t0f (~10000@69.72.53.84) left irc: Quit: t0f [06:50] http://labs.google.com/papers/disk_failures.pdf [06:52] the U-shaped failure curve is cool [06:53] revel0_ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. 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[08:26] i am trying to dd an iso to dvd and when i try and send it to /dev/cdrom it doesn't work - i thought that cdrom was just a link to the real device - can i not use this? [08:26] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:28] typically one would use growisofs(1) to write a DVD [08:28] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:28] jake_: not like that [08:29] jake_: you can read from it that way, but not write [08:29] ok... so i should be using growisofs [08:30] or can i use dd on the correct dev? [08:30] new bash-completion rocks:) [08:32] old zsh-completion rocks moar [08:32] indeed:) [08:33] jake_ (~jake@213-152-36-25.dsl.eclipse.net.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:33] asarch (~asarch@189.188.199.193) joined ##slackware. [08:34] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. 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[09:00] i'm sure google has an explanation somewhere, if only there was a way to find it [09:00] mark it executable and try running it? [09:01] Skywise, google dont have any answer. He just know who have. Because he knows everyone :| [09:01] hehe [09:03] ariarat (ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) left ##slackware. [09:06] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF624.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:06] leontopod, google earth has a slackbuild, try using it. http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/multimedia/GoogleEarth/ [09:07] leontopod, also, learn about sbopkg, which is a client for slackbuilds.org [09:08] has anyone tried using an eq to tune out the vuvuzela? [09:09] i read they drone in b flat [09:09] heh [09:09] the vuvuwhat? [09:09] BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ [09:09] the bees at the world cup games [09:10] oh, the pipes, I didn't know they were called that. we just call them pipes [09:10] i was thinking about recording a sample and then look at it with a spectrum analyser and then cancel it [09:10] I suggested something like that a little while ago [09:10] In some other channel [09:11] one possible drawback is that it uses some of the same freqs as human speech [09:11] so its the broadcasters that need to do it before they mux the voice overs [09:12] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:16] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-168.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:16] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:18] ok that .bin file is actually a shell script [09:18] which I ran [09:18] but Google Earth crashes [09:18] leontopod, the advantage of slackbuilds is that the program can actually be removed afterwards. [09:19] Nick change: paratux -> freex [09:19] what exactly is slackbuilds [09:19] I know slackware has .tgz "packages" [09:19] is that what slackbuilds is? [09:19] http://slackbuilds.org/ [09:19] or upgraded when there is a new version [09:19] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@77.79.178.77.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:20] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [09:20] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@77.79.178.77.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:20] leontopod, http://www.slackbuilds.org/howto/ [09:21] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [09:22] sftp_ (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [09:22] hmm, apparently I don't have OpenGL [09:22] that is why Google Earth is crashing [09:23] sftp (~sftp@79.174.35.11) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:23] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) joined ##slackware. [09:23] Hi Slackers [09:23] Have you guys tried using blueman on 13.1? [09:24] 64-bit version that is. [09:24] alkos333, works for me [09:24] Elektro_ (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [09:24] Is that the blue tooth manager that come isn 13.1 by default? [09:25] Nick change: fallen -> Guest83305 [09:25] alkos333, make sure rc.bluetooth is executable, reboot, then just plug in your usb bluetooth module and the blueman icon will magically appear in the tray. [09:25] v4nelle (~van@79.107.195.29) joined ##slackware. [09:25] fallen_ (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) joined ##slackware. [09:25] Blueman (32bit) works for me [09:25] slava_dp: Well, my bluetooth is embedded - this is a ThinkPad x200 here [09:26] i just got a new bluetooth headset, a nokia bh-904, it can be paired with 2 devices at the same time [09:26] Guest83305 (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:26] rc.bluetooth has been executable. This what I get when I try to launch blueman: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=4005426&posted=1 [09:26] Don't have to reboot... chmod 755 /etc/rc.d/rc.bluetooth; /etc/rc.d/rc.bluetooth start [09:26] Nick change: fallen_ -> fallen [09:27] arfon: I didn't reboot, but reboot shouldn't hurt as far as D-Bus stuff is concerned. [09:27] yep [09:27] uh-huh, the messagebus likes reboots [09:27] fallen (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) left irc: Client Quit [09:28] blueman works fine on 32bit here [09:28] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:29] jake_ (~jake@213-152-36-25.dsl.eclipse.net.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:29] I'm chatting to you across a bluetooth serial connection as we,uh, chat. [09:29] JackStoner (~ezekiel@115.135.131.133) joined ##slackware. [09:30] Action: slava_dp feels his words going over a bluetooth link to arfon [09:30] Yeah.. that's great... I've set this up in 12.2 sometime ago [09:30] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:30] I'm just saying, you don't [italics] have to [\italics] reboot. [09:30] Thought I would save some time on configuring things with blueman, but ... [09:30] arfon: Get off the reboot issue man.. it's a done deal, I've already rebooted long before for NetworkManager anyway :P [09:30] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [09:31] alkos333, how's networkmanager? what type of connection do you use? [09:31] JackStoner (ezekiel@115.135.131.133) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:31] Sooo, you want me to reboot my conversation? [09:31] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [09:31] You know, I could just /etc/rc.d/rc.chat restart instead... :) [09:32] slava_dp: It's been great, to be honest... wayyyyyyyy better than wicd. It connects/disconnects when I plug-in the ethernet cord . my palm pre (as it has a dhcp server running on it), wireless works like a charm, and so does Cisco openconnect client that I use for university's connections [09:32] arfon: You lost me, sorry :) [09:33] fallen (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) joined ##slackware. [09:33] Alkos, I'm being dumb. Ignore me. [09:33] arfon: We all get goofy from time to time, no biggie [09:34] sooo, can you use bluetooth headsets as regular audio devices? I've never played with one. [09:35] revel0 (~revel0@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:36] arfon: With palm pre? [09:36] arfon: I use bluetooth headphones with pre and it works great, A2DP has really improved the quality. [09:37] I need a verysmall and discrete usb ear piece so I can listen to my MP3s at work.... [09:37] I'll plug my pre into the car and as soon as I unplug it, it redirects voice to the bluetooth headset as long as it's paired. [09:37] Yours has the mic also? [09:38] when i use teamspeak while playing on line, i'll have the game audio thru the speakers and teamspeak thru the headset only [09:38] arfon: Yes [09:39] arfon: I use it to talk on the phone as well. You can't see the mic. [09:39] Forgive me for asking but what's the ball park price on those things? [09:39] $60-100 [09:39] How do you switch it between Teamspeak and your telephone when you are using it? [09:39] there are prolly some you can get for cheaper still, but they're not likely to have noise cancellation [09:41] arfon: Yes, Skywise is right on [09:41] you can also get stereo headsets as well [09:41] and they're all pretty true to the 30' roving range [09:42] I reaaly just want a single small earpiece so it's not noticed. [09:43] you hold down the talk button on mine and it will switch, or if you activate the other device [09:43] They are pretty much Nazi's where I work. [09:43] i don't think you can talk on both at the same time, at least i haven't tried it yet [09:43] but otherwise, you just disconnect and then connect to the new device [09:44] What brand do you have? [09:44] my old headset would connect to the next device it was paired with on disconnection automatically [09:44] nokia [09:44] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:44] i have a nokia phone and their phones and headsets use the same charger [09:44] well they used too, now they use usb power connectors [09:45] Noted, thanks [09:45] so you can charge them off your pc [09:45] How long does the battery generally last? [09:46] pretty long, my old was was good for 3-5hours of talk, but you can talk indefinately if you're plugged into power [09:46] afron: work Nazi's, eh? I know how you feel [09:46] the new one is from 5-8 and it charges in 35mins [09:47] Not the 'Jews into the ovens' type of Nazi, more of the 'You vill do as we zay or else' type of Nazi. [09:47] it will charge for 5hrs of talk time in 15 mins [09:48] they just wanna get what they're paying for [09:48] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:48] you see the problem is, if you let most people do what they want, they choose to goof off [09:49] No, I have a MICRO-micro-manager for a teamlead. [09:49] ...who actually tries to sabotage things as often as he can. [09:49] but then you can't do anything wrong because its their fault [09:50] bingo, THAT happened to me this morning over a trivial e-mail. [09:50] arfon: eeeeewww lucky I had a 'jew in the oven' type.... hated that s-o-b sincy you're asking for a small earpiece, I'd addupe you have not-so-long hair, correct? [09:50] Sorry, it's the opposite, THEY can't do anything wrong because it's MY fault. [09:50] sorry... morning can't type [09:50] ...even when I follow thier rules to the letter. [09:50] [sigh] [09:51] if you only do what you're told, then its not your fault [09:51] This is making me depressed, let's change the subject. [09:51] you can demonstrate that by offering what you would of done as a choice [09:51] sure, work is no paradise [09:51] even working for yourself has drawbacks [09:51] like if you're not working, you're not making money [09:52] true [09:52] I am working for myself and no money is better than micro-managers who want to make your life hell [09:52] I wish I had followed my dream carrer... pronstar. :( [09:52] thats why there is always that choice [09:52] arfon, it's never too late :-) [09:52] obby (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:53] hahaha [09:53] btw, carrer = career and pron = porn [09:53] porn star isn't a career, even for the people you see alot [09:53] ha ha ha [09:53] obby (nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [09:53] Oh yes, it's too late. [09:53] porn star... jeez, you sound like my friend Donovan... 'cept he said directer [09:54] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@host-studentw-141-109.dhcp.stevens-tech.edu) joined ##slackware. [09:54] slightly off slackware topic i think [09:54] Director??? He might as well just be 'a consumer' [09:54] when it only takes 35 mins to make a porn movie theres never a shortage of work [09:54] it hurts when i laugh [09:54] i could make multiple pr0n movies in 35 minutes :-D [09:54] Luckily, I have Slackware to make me happy. [09:55] slackware > porn star career [09:55] Jake, you good with Flash eh? [09:55] duet (~duet@71.21.89.86) joined ##slackware. [09:56] arfon, i have installed flash plugin from slackbuild [09:56] ergo i am an elite flash exert [09:56] I'd help but I couldn't get flash working after an hour and a halt fo tinkering, so my friend Urchlay helped... [09:56] expert? exert? i don't know... i don't care [09:57] we get cha [09:57] I would have never got it working had it not been for slackbuilds [09:57] its the morning [09:57] Great, I just realized out of all of the funny stuff I have said in this chat room, my "I wanna be a porn star' (joke) comment will probably be what gets posted to Noob farm :( [09:57] even then - some builds haven't worked for me [09:57] ccsm.Slackbuild for example [09:58] Shoot, my irssi window is fudged up, brb [09:58] arfon (arfon@209.236.250.213) left ##slackware. [09:58] Action: spartanVI makes a face and goes "eeeeeeeeewwwwww" [09:58] no, complaining about noobfarm is what will get posted to noobfarm [09:58] ha [09:59] i want to be posted to noobfarm - what do i have to do? auditions? [09:59] Aidar-Nagato (admin@77.79.178.77.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left ##slackware. [09:59] its natural selection [09:59] it's official, Google Earth crashes on Slackware 13.1 [09:59] anyone get Google Earth to work on Slackware 13.1? [09:59] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) joined ##slackware. [10:00] i thought you said it was offical [10:00] will i seem like a noob if i ask what is noobfarm? [10:00] hey, I have a problem... I had 2 files of videos... the newest season of Dr. Who that's in england, and a whole lot of Venture Bros. and somehow, they deleted themselves [10:00] google earth is 32bit? [10:00] yep [10:00] duet: it certainly shows your lack of google skills :P [10:01] any theories? [10:01] spartanVI, they didn't delete themselves [10:01] surrounder: well i am just being lazy right now [10:01] spartanVI, they didn't delete themselves [10:01] really? [10:01] Noobfarm is noobfarm.org where the dumest things you ever say gets recorded for posterity (or until the server crashes). [10:02] its against the 3rd law of robotics [10:02] btw dumest = dumbest [10:03] i happen to like my noobfarm quotes [10:03] arfon: spelling no count brfore noon or koffee [10:03] ha [10:03] jake: what do you think happened, I looked for like 2 and a half hours and am coming up short [10:04] can i install windows after having installed linux? I know it would have been easier to do it the other way round but there you go :-S [10:04] have you looked over there? that's where i'd keep them [10:04] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:04] I have coffee and I still kant spel. :( [10:04] spartanVI, check to see if you have disk space consumed for them, if so then updatedb and then locate them [10:05] arfon: so i need to just be myself and then i will have my famous quotations posted on the internet? [10:05] right [10:05] updatedb would be wise... i would have just used find after making sure all my drives were mounted [10:06] Horus (~kerryb@c-71-237-48-154.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:06] anyone got any words of wisdom on the installing windows after linux? [10:06] change your mind [10:06] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:06] yeah, don't override your linux install [10:06] jake_, easy. install windows, then use your slackware boot media and specify to boot from your root partition (instructions are on the first screen), add withdows to lilo, run lilo. [10:07] slava_dp: well spoken [10:07] yes Jake, be prepared to reboot with your Slackware install disk and rerun the lilo configuration to fix the MBR that Windoz will probably blow up. [10:07] doesnt he have to split a partition to make room for windows? [10:07] s/probably/for sure/ [10:08] thanks guys - as always, you're a source of knowledge for us lowly *ubuntu users who don't really know any better [10:09] That makes me happy... [10:09] thought I did get slava_dp 's s/probably/for sure/ remark - i feel like a guru :-D [10:09] The going from Ubuntu to Slackware part, that is. :) [10:09] eelriver (~eelriver@c-24-130-112-52.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:09] Skywise: I checked... nothing... either I hit somthing when I wasn't paying attention... or idk [10:09] jake_, so, you don't even use slackware? [10:10] spartanVI, check your .bash_history [10:10] DUH DUH DUUUUUUUUUUH [10:10] thrice`, I am using it right now - i must admit i came here to have questions answered when I was on ubuntu and i thought i owed it to the slackware guys to switch - so i gave slackware some money and got the discs and books... i've been loving it [10:10] Nick change: bgs000 -> bgs100 [10:10] petera3 (~pa3@75-149-128-53-Connecticut.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [10:11] cool :> [10:11] You da man Jake! [10:11] thrice`, slackware essentials is the easiest book i have read (covering more complicated topics) on linux [10:11] jake_: nice, you'll learn a lot this way [10:11] Action: slava_dp hugs jake_ [10:12] Skywise: I checked twice, found the command to play... "File not found" [10:12] ..or you'll end up with several concussions. [10:12] thrice': i just wanted to thank you for helping me a couple weeks ago with my changing kernels [10:12] did it work? :) I think we spotted the typo just after you left [10:12] Skywise: "No suck file or directory" either [10:12] I have to say though my only issue with slackware was KDE (not slackwares fault) but i have changed that now and am using fluxbox... [10:13] no suck file.... right, who needs suck files :D [10:13] thrice': funny thing is doesnt matter which kernel i use i still dont have any sound when i turned on kdm [10:13] sbs` (~mfd@unaffiliated/sbs/x-6460670) joined ##slackware. [10:13] spartanVI, was it saved to removable media or flash drive? [10:13] thrice': but you did fix the problem with kdm crashing x on logout [10:13] sorry... morning + no coffee = blech [10:14] ok, a good start I guess :) [10:14] Skywise: Nope [10:14] jake_, there is gnome slackbuild which is reportedly good. [10:14] so do any of you slackware guys use slackware for work or is it all personal use? [10:14] Jake: both [10:14] spartanVI, how much of the path exists? [10:14] I guess I'll nab it from his computer again [10:15] All of my servers are Slackware [10:15] none [10:15] slava_dp, I have tinkered with the xwm's available from the default install and this one (ugly though it may be) is my favourite so far) [10:15] slava_dp: i use it for fun at home :) [10:15] Action: slava_dp has a total of 8 slackware boxes set up at work and 2 at home + a laptop :-) [10:15] jake_: I use it on my two Desktops here [10:15] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@host-studentw-141-109.dhcp.stevens-tech.edu) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:15] Skywise: none... that's the wierd thing... it was there yesterday cuz I watched it [10:16] eelriver (~eelriver@c-24-130-112-52.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:16] i wanted to setup a slack partition for myself and a linux mint partition for my wife but i need more ram [10:16] arfon, Slackware as a server... that's quaint - I thought it was a casual desktop users distro :-P [10:16] :( [10:16] slava_dp: on a Laptop? May I ask what Laptop that is and if it requires lots of work to make things like suspend, ibernate and lid closing work? [10:16] duet: more RAM? [10:17] roin: u must be laughing at me right now [10:17] No [10:17] Roin, I am using it on a lenovo n500 and samsung q45 laptop and it works flawlessly for me on both - suspend works fine [10:17] roin: i just have 256 ddr [10:17] I use it for casual desktops also.... I'm casually desktoping at the moment on my net book which is locked in my overhead bin. :) [10:17] duet: 256 should be enough to setup a Slackware system I think [10:17] Did I mention that I'm consoling over bluetooth (at work) ;) [10:18] roin: the problem is with mint not slackware [10:18] Roin, Acer travelmate 4720 (2008). on 13.1 everything just works. when I started with slack 12.1 on it, I had to deal with sound and some other issues, but with 12.2 it was pretty much stable. [10:18] roin: slackware is screaming fast [10:18] roin: mint is gnome by default [10:18] duet, it wouldn't be screaming fast running kde on 256 [10:18] duet: Well then you should try to setup slackware so your wife can use it, my mom uses Slackware now as well since I just showed her how to do some small thingies to shut the comp down etc. [10:19] duet: I know Mint very well ;) [10:19] jake_: i mainly use xfce and fluxbox [10:19] jake_: , slava_dp thank you two very much :D [10:19] if you boot to run level 4 for your wife, why doesn't she just use slackware? [10:20] Thats just what I did on my moms comp [10:20] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:20] ok to clarify my wife just uses slackware but i want her to be able to install software [10:20] duet, touche! :-) [10:20] oh [10:20] duet: tried Mint XFCE or LXDE CE? [10:20] im also trying to teach her to leave the computer on [10:20] I'm having a problem getting hulu and youtube to work in firefox and konqueror. I installed the nswrapper and 64 bit flash. [10:21] v4nelle (~van@79.107.195.29) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:21] roin: i dont like how slow those versions take to update to the latest release [10:21] Horus, it's easy to install flash from slackbuilds.org [10:21] roin: it would be better just get more ram [10:21] duet: agreed, new RAM shouldnt cost much ._. [10:22] Horus, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/multimedia/flash-player-plugin/ [10:22] great... i just noticed that now my musics gone as well [10:22] I think hulu blocks 64-bit flash [10:22] roin: i looked it up and its 70 clams to max out my system at 2 gigs [10:22] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Client Quit [10:22] jake_, I installed it from there (13.0)...firefox immediatly shuts down. [10:22] oh, well [10:23] duet: buy more 512MB ram and you'll be fine with 768 MB I think [10:23] brb [10:23] jake_, I have the error if you would like to see it [10:23] roin: well my wife is a gamer and i have to eventually get windows to dual boot on the computer [10:23] Horus, I doubt flash would be causing that... this is where I get off I'm afraid. Someone much more knowledgeable than me will have to take over [10:24] k [10:24] roin: i installed djl for her to use with games but that is just to save money to upgrade the pc [10:24] Horus: Manual installation of flash used to be: uncompress the Adobe Flash binary and pull out the flashplayer*lib.so and then copy it into Firefox's plugin directory. It is probably still that simple. [10:25] arfon, thats what I did...copied to lib64. [10:25] roin: and if i want to run windows xp in a virtual machine in windows 7 i will need the 2 gigs [10:25] roin: it is so much money just to think about it [10:25] ..into firefox's plugin dir? [10:25] don't you need a wrapper for the 64bit beta flash plugin? [10:25] ... or just lib64? [10:26] arfon, yes...konqueror says it is a wrapper issue [10:26] No wrapper for 64 [10:26] arfon, /usr/lib64/firefox/plugins [10:26] I'm running it on my 13.0 64bit machine sans wrapper [10:27] i wonder if roin is ignoring me now that i said windows [10:27] ;( [10:27] Horus: probably a firefox problem. Firefox is flaky on my Compaq laptop so I use Opera there [10:27] the 64-bit plugin has also been declared a security risk last week, and discontinued from adobe; it should be avoided if you can [10:27] I get it to work fine in Ubuntu and Fedora...I have never got it to work in Slackware64 13.0 [10:28] Works on mine [10:28] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:28] Boss man is walking around, I'm going to lurk for abit. [10:29] Nick change: arfon -> arfon-lurking [10:29] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-168.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:29] arfon, how do I get it to work without the 64bit then without adding the layer for 32 bit? [10:29] Horus, works fine for me- have you installed any other plugins that may be complicating things? [10:30] jake_, none other than the wrapper [10:30] arfon-lurking, it can be installed in /usr/lib[64]/[firefox|mozilla]/plugins or in ~/.mozilla/plugins directory [10:30] does anyone here use djl for games in linux? [10:31] alisonken1home, I'll try that real quick and get back to you [10:31] fb|jean (~champus@unaffiliated/champus) joined ##slackware. [10:31] hey folks [10:31] stupid question: as you're all geeks, at least one of you plays guitar, am I right? [10:32] <--not a geek, I'm a nerd. Geeks bite heads off of chickens. [10:32] lol [10:33] hi all [10:33] isn't flash unsupported 3rd party? [10:34] alisonken1home, that didn't work either. [10:35] fb|jean, Yeah I play guitar [10:35] ppcKlaatu (~sxe@office.vivisimo.com) joined ##slackware. [10:35] Horus: I don't know how to answer your question (probably because I didn't understand it). When I was running Slamd64, I had to use the wrapper because there wasn't a 64bit flash player. Once the 64bit flashplayer became available, I've never needed the wrapper. I may be remembering things wrong but, I think I'm not that senile yet. [10:36] firefox doesn't give any warning when I go to hulu or youtube. It just shuts down. Before I went to try it, I did about:plugins and it says it is working. [10:36] Horus, run firefox from a terminal and you'll see the reason [10:36] jlarrew (~WallRat00@c-68-43-1-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:37] if you ask mozilla guys, the first they'll ask you to do is to use firefox with a completely new profile [10:37] I did, this is the error: /usr/lib64/firefox-3.5.2/run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 6717 Illegal instruction "$prog" ${1+"$@"} [10:38] jlarrew (~WallRat00@c-68-43-1-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:38] 3.5.2? [10:38] jlarrew (~WallRat00@c-68-43-1-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:38] the one that came with the 13.0 disk [10:38] Horus, install the patches! [10:39] Horus, do you have an athlon? [10:39] jake_: any hint for melancholic chords excepting the moll-chrods (A-moll / Ab)? [10:39] I was just reading the LOADLIN section of essentials and then thought... when am I EVER going to use this!? :-D [10:39] Yes to athlon...and I haven't figured out yet how to get and install patches... [10:39] Horus, for patches, man slackpkg [10:40] k [10:40] Horus, regarding the athlon, did you install flashplayer manually or from sbo? [10:40] fb|jean, I am one of those douche bags who plays songs here and there from tabs... can't help you with actual q and a's [10:40] from slack build then copied it into the directory [10:41] Horus, what machine do you have? 32 or 64-bit? [10:41] 64 bit [10:41] Horus, execute grep lahf_lm /proc/cpuinfo [10:41] early pentium 4 type 64-bit [10:41] ? [10:41] alisonken1home, he has an athlon ^ [10:41] pentium 2 [10:42] last I checked, I don't remember pentium 2 64-bit machines [10:42] it's old [10:42] Horus, you said you have an athlon. [10:42] 1.8 gig athlon [10:43] let me try the grep real quick [10:43] Action: slava_dp is somewhat confused [10:43] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [10:44] Horus, start firefox from cli and see if there's an error when it crashes [10:44] the grep didn't work [10:44] alisonken1home, it was already done :) [10:44] if yes, there may be an flha instruction error [10:44] Horus, no output? [10:44] Horus, there's your error [10:44] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1263905 [10:45] I have taken an IT course and put the machine together myself...I know it's 64 bit. [10:45] sorry - lahf :) [10:45] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [10:45] we'll try that [10:46] I think I might have got the thing wrong...it says no such directory [10:46] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:46] can you give me just the grep line to put in and I'll try that. [10:47] /proc/cpuinfo is a file - /proc is the directory [10:47] I found the source of my knowledge -- it's in the alienBOB's blog: http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/flash-crashes-firefox-on-x86_64/ [10:47] if you don't have the /proc directory mounted, that may be something else to look at [10:49] I couldn't do it as a user but as root I can get to the proc directory [10:49] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [10:50] Horus, read alien's article I linked, it's almost surely your issue. [10:50] Genk1 (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [10:50] hello [10:50] Nick change: arfon-lurking -> arfon [10:50] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [10:50] is there someone who ever tried to block udp traffic from/to his LAN ? [10:50] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423508.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:50] duet: still here? [10:51] Not me Genk, I like UDP. [10:51] is there any release date for slackware essentials 3.0? [10:52] Tadgy (~tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) joined ##slackware. [10:52] jake_ (~jake@213-152-36-25.dsl.eclipse.net.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:52] labilicious [10:52] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:53] I'm checking that now... [10:53] also, dns uses udp [10:53] slobad23 (~slobad23@213-152-36-25.dsl.eclipse.net.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:53] But if you wanted to go crazy and do it anyway, you could add a DROP rule into /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall [10:54] (I think that's right) [10:54] I've done limit scripts on udp [10:54] X/sec [10:54] should "chown bob:users /home/fred/* change everything for bob to be able to access it all? [10:54] I'm going to try that fix and see if it works. Since my CPU and machine is about 5 years old, it probably doesn't have the lahf_lm thing. [10:55] thanks for the help to all...hopefully this works [10:55] that would change the ownerships of the files/directories in /home/fred - not the subdirectories [10:55] that is probably where I am going wrong then [10:56] alisonken1home, do i need to stick an -r in there before declaring the user and group? [10:56] the other way is to make /home/fred also part of a shared groiup and chown -R fred: /home/fred [10:56] use -R (capital R) [10:56] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:56] then modify umode setting to 002 [10:56] for fred and bob [10:57] grrr - why did they have to make it a capital one... ir would be easier it it was just always -r so we dim wits had less to remember [10:57] alisonken1home, I can use an internal dns [10:57] it's not a problem [10:57] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:57] Nick change: fallen -> Guest36340 [10:57] Genk1, except for dns queries that are outside your local net - including your local dns cache that has to access external dns servers [10:57] fallen_ (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) joined ##slackware. [10:58] Nick change: fallen_ -> fallen [10:58] alisonken1home, not all the time I can find a way for this [10:58] Guest36340 (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:58] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [10:58] but for now I just need to forbid any udp connection.. and nat [10:58] as long as you don't ever have to access outside dns servers, true [10:58] I want block nat too [10:59] so you dont want to access the outside world at all? [10:59] just dont have a default gateway or an internet connection [10:59] I want to forbid anything but http traffic [10:59] Genk1, nat is used for your internal private network to access external public network [10:59] nothing else [10:59] Genk1: so when you go to google, you're going to go to the IP? [11:00] Genk1, so you only disable requests coming into your network that originate outside your network. there's rules for that already [11:00] alisonken1home, of course !! I will not change nat in my gateway [11:01] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [11:01] Gank, what are you trying to do/prevent? [11:02] look it simple ! there is a proxy server where internet connection pass through it ! in this station I want to block udp connection and nat ! [11:03] the main idea is to block VPN connections used by users to encrypt their connections thats all [11:03] then just disable the control port for vpn connections for initial connection requests [11:03] Ah, THAT's what I wanted to know... [11:04] are you trying to block users from connecting TO the server, or users on the server from connecting OUT of the server? [11:05] alisonken1home, blocking vpn by port number is not efficient :( [11:05] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) joined ##slackware. [11:05] just as efficient as blocking all of udp traffic, which is used by more than just vpn [11:05] if not more so [11:05] I'd be more interested in know *why* you want to block this traffic before I assisted. JMHO though. [11:06] the server is the an http proxy [11:06] Just make a firewall rule to DROP udp to certain machines then on your router if that's what you want. [11:07] rworkman, because there is a secret LAN that I want to secure at maximum [11:07] Why not just give him the solution to block all outgoing udp traffic and NAT, like he wants. Then when it breaks he won't be able to get here to ask for help :) [11:07] arfon, I think for udp it's easy I can use iptables for it [11:07] Shhh! Don't TELL ANYONE about the secret LAN!! The cat's out of the bag now. [11:07] Tadgy, you don't understand [11:07] again - that's like cutting your head off because you have a nose cold [11:08] Then disconnect it from the net. [11:08] Genk1, actually, we do understand [11:08] no doubt they're writing the /. story about it even now ... [11:08] Genk1: If you want a secure lan, you need to do a lot more than just block udp/nat. [11:08] and there's better ways of doing it [11:08] rworkman, I think I answered your question ? [11:08] and keeping people from creating secure connections out of it only encourages other (arguably worse) things. [11:09] alisonken1home, OK idea is better :) [11:09] if your server is only running httpd, then disable the other services and inetd [11:09] anarchy! [11:09] cant connect if there's no daemon running [11:09] Anarchy Online! [11:09] \o/ [11:09] puffy (~puffy@thrall-gw.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [11:09] just make sure you have console access to it [11:09] does xorgconfig exists anymore? it is mentioned in slackbooks which i appreciate is a little old now [11:09] anarchy online rocks [11:09] slobad23, only if you have some non-standard hardware config [11:09] Action: puffy runs over the Communist Jew Richard Stallman's legs with his Panzer tank and then throws him in an oven based on the second law of thermodynamics [11:09] OpenBSD blackhole.my.domain 4.7 GENERIC#558 i386 [11:10] linux is for bitches and dumb ones at that [11:10] Action: rworkman has a special love for micromanaging control freaks who want to "secure" things without good reasons that they can articulate [11:10] slobad23: X -configure but you don't need an xorg.conf these days really [11:10] and trolls? [11:10] puffy: Fuck off and die and hurry up with it. [11:10] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [11:10] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*puffy@*.warwick.net' by rworkman!3356@about/slackware/rworkman [11:10] puffy kicked from ##slackware by rworkman: puffy [11:10] lol [11:10] I did not know that Puffy, thanks! [11:10] hehe [11:10] fred: ping ^^ you know puffy there? [11:10] Tadgy like puffies [11:10] rworkman, better is to try to convince him :) [11:10] likes, even. [11:10] chipster, wrong puffy :) [11:10] don't you need an xorg.conf to allow x to work? [11:11] it's probably fred [11:11] rworkman, now we lose a potential Linux user because of you :P [11:11] slobad23, X can use the setup from hal/dbus [11:11] Tadgy likes any puffy :) [11:11] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:11] exit [11:11] eh? [11:11] who kicked puffy? I liked the cut of his jib :-D [11:11] Genk1, nope - his comments mark him as a troll [11:11] warwick.net is Warwick Valley Telephone in NY, not warwick.ac.uk. [11:11] thisis how you get fucking viruses on windows. my brother couldn't open a file on his mac so he opened it on my computer and gave me a virus. [11:11] oh, damn. Thanks rob0 [11:11] fucking idiotg [11:12] fred: unping :) [11:12] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!3356@about/slackware/rworkman [11:12] heh [11:12] alisonken1home, rworkman is rough ! :( [11:12] why would a bsd user come on and slate linux users? aren't we all in the same boat? [11:12] hahah [11:12] he's had to deal with puffy before [11:12] slobad23: he's a regular troll that's come here on several occasions. [11:12] slobad23: it's called trolling, and some folks enjoy it quite a bit. [11:13] slobad23, nope - trolls know no boat [11:13] BSD users get even less sex than Linux users - of course the have to amuse themselves somehow. [11:13] it's a tad pathetic - but obviously you guys are used to him and others like it [11:13] yep [11:13] Griefers are just asses Slobad [11:13] slobad23: we were lucky to have an op on hand. It would have gotten worse. [11:13] Tadgy, s/less sex/less sex with real partners/ [11:13] alisonken1home, but I really need to disable nat from my station.. modprobe way.. is it possible ? what modules should I disable ? [11:14] Genk1, you only need nat if you have a public interface ON that computer [11:14] Action: fred wonders why he was pinged :p [11:14] if your desktop is already behind a natted gateway, you don't put nat on your host [11:14] Disable NAT simply by not enabling any NAT rules. [11:14] and as rob0 noted, you have to explicitly declare nat in iptables [11:15] it's not automagicalblackbox stuff [11:15] alisonken1home, don't worry my station use behind a natted gateway [11:15] ok [11:15] so blocking udp and nat by iptables [11:15] then don't worry about nat on your station - unless you somehow already added a second nic and tried it [11:15] YOU DON'T BLOCK NAT [11:16] ok ok [11:16] I see [11:16] you ENABLE nat in iptables [11:16] for dual screen support is that something that my window manager takes care of? Am I going to find more success in Gnome and KDE than the other window managers? [11:16] but only if you HAVE 2 NICS WITH DIFFERENT NETWORKS [11:16] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:16] alisonken1home, I see thank you\ [11:16] you are the best [11:17] slobad23: If you want dual screen support, yu'll probably need an xorg.conf to configure the layout et al. [11:17] Tadgy, nope - I have dual screen and no xorg.conf [11:18] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:18] wait - I had to do something with my other machine because of screwball ati - the one I have at home needed xorg.conf because of nvidia [11:18] alisonken1home: Fairy snuff. But don't you need to adjust the config if you want a different screen layout, or a stretched desktop etc? [11:18] you can use xrandr for that [11:18] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-168-154.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:18] Didn't some grandma just get arrested for possesing Fairy Snuff? [11:19] Bit hacky to have to do that every time you log in :) [11:19] slava_dp, it sortof worked. Youtube plays fine but hulu only plays the commercials and then won't show the feature. Tried Ghost Hunters episode and a family guy episode. I think I'll try patches now. [11:19] not really, you only need to do it once when X starts [11:19] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:19] Assuming you don't shut down your computer/laptop... [11:19] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@187.10.9.191) joined ##slackware. [11:19] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:19] Otherwise you have to do it every time :) [11:19] uhh are you using gdm or kdm by chance? [11:20] cuz if so, i know how to make those automatically run xrandr commands... [11:20] Horus, you can add 'LD_PRELOAD=lahf_fix.so firefox" and try that [11:20] Would be far easier to just set it up once in xorg.conf [11:20] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [11:20] but I got an idea.. what if I use L7filter to allow only Http traffic ? [11:20] make sure the full path is specified with lahf_fix.so [11:20] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:20] because l7filter look at the content packets not only the headers like iptables do [11:21] alisonken1home, forgive my nievete, how to I add the LD_PRELOAD line? [11:21] I would suggest starting with NETWORK101 and go from there [11:21] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:22] Horus, (example /usr/lib/lahf-fix.so) user@host $ LD_PRELOAD /usr/lib/lha-fix.so firefox [11:22] Horus, (example /usr/lib/lahf-fix.so) user@host $ LD_PRELOAD /usr/lib/lahf-fix.so firefox [11:22] if that works, then you can modify the icon link exec line [11:22] It's great that Linux isn't window$ but unfortunatly, that's where my expertise is... [11:23] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:23] alisonken1home, that would be /usr/lib64/lahf-fix.so wouldn't it? [11:23] wherever you have lahf-fix.so - that's why I said "example" [11:24] got ya, thanks. [11:24] slobad23 (~slobad23@213-152-36-25.dsl.eclipse.net.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:24] it's funny to me that it plays the commercials but not the feature... [11:24] i was in here yesterday when someone suggested a music player called 'deadbeef'. I tried it out and it is my new player :) [11:24] Isn't flash 3rd party? [11:24] flash is Adobe [11:25] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [11:25] I mean, not part of Slackware? [11:25] there is a slackbuld for it in extra [11:25] yep - Adobe, so not part of slackware [11:25] that's gonna suck if you have slack64 [11:26] I thought you guys didn't support 3rd party (ie, non Slackware) software? [11:26] SlackBuilds are at slackbuilds.org [11:26] adobe dropped 64-bit beta "for now" hah [11:26] Tadgy, slackbuilds.org is 3rd party scripts to build 3rd party software. not official, but it's "officially unofficial" build scripts [11:27] at least they've been tested by volunteer (reasonably) core slackware devs [11:27] I <3 Slackbuilds [11:27] Ah, OK. [11:28] What about GNOME SlackBuild then? Just curious - isn't that tested by the Slackware team too? I know a couple of them have tried it, and it's mentioned in Pats docs... [11:28] and sbopkg is a nice pkgtools-like front end to it [11:28] hrm, maybe i shouldn't have filed that doco bug earlier [11:28] references to "/slackware" wil be everywhere [11:28] will*\ [11:28] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:29] Tadgy: no [11:29] sbopkg a blessing on my clients' servers indeed. [11:29] Well, it's a "community project" [11:29] is a* [11:30] Action: thrice` hasn't tried GSB in 3 years or so :( [11:30] NaCl: I don't udnerstand the difference? Slackbuilds is 3rd party, supported by the Slackware team. GNOME SlackBuild is 3rd party, used by some of the Slackware team. [11:30] asamoah (~caio@190.244.49.108) joined ##slackware. [11:30] Tadgy, the difference is GSB is a fork of slackware that has Gnome as it's desktop. this channel is slackware support [11:30] isn't SBo a community project too? [11:30] why use gnome when you can sleep just fine at night? hm. [11:31] Tadgy: parts of the Slackware team [11:31] alisonken1home: incorrect. It's just GNOME. [11:31] :) [11:31] Nono, SBo is an independent community project, not a part of Slackware per se. [11:31] alisonken1home: it's no fork [11:31] GNOME SlackBuild isn't a fork - it's just a GNOME desktop pacakged for Slackware, isn't it? [11:31] chipster, SBo is actually maintained by an admin [11:31] GSB may modify parts of the core system, not exactly sure [11:32] admin of the channel you mean? [11:32] gsb advises to install slapt-get, which is part of the core imo :/ [11:32] NaCl: Not that i've seen. I think you mean Dropline - they used to do that. [11:32] no - one of the core slackware devs [11:32] Several folks with @slackware.com addresses are SBO admins, but not all, and it is not directly connected. [11:32] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: Bang Bang!!!! [11:32] I see. [11:32] freex_ (~user@93-82-103-117.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [11:32] Pat has been known to use scripts in SBo in Slackware [11:32] when they are needed [11:33] So, really there is no difference between the two? SBo and GSB I mean? They are both community projects "supported" by the Slackware team? [11:33] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@77.79.178.77.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:33] GSB and SBo have no direct connection, and TTBOMK no overlap. [11:33] Tadgy, no, not supported at all [11:34] GSB is the gnome packages. SBo is 3rd party software scripts. No relation [11:34] thrice`: Sorry, which? [11:34] Tadgy, neither of the projects are supported by Pat [11:34] alisonken1home: except some parts of SBo and GSB overlap (package-wise) [11:34] neither [11:34] Tadgy, might be easier to just go to their sites and browse around [11:35] Tadgy, he can generally recommends both, as they are of decent quality, but in no way 'supported' [11:35] it's your choice as a user to decide :) [11:35] I meant "no overlap" meaning different people involved. [11:35] freex (~user@93-82-105-112.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:35] I'm just confused because you were supporting the flash stuff earlier - which comes from SBo, which is a 3rd party community project.. [11:35] NaCl, "no relation" does not imply "no overlap in some areas" :) [11:35] True, true [11:35] Tadgy, if you expect that slackware's repo will fit your needs entirely, you are mistaken :) [11:36] Mind you some of the admins at SlackBuilds.org also feature as Slackware core team members. However, SBo is _not_ affiliated in any way to Slackware [11:36] Please keep that separation clear [11:36] Tadgy, It's like a car... Ford builds it and supports what they put in. Your dealer can add aftermarket stuff (gnome) and you can go to Autozone and buy all of the blue lights you want to put around the lic. plate (Sbos) [11:36] lol [11:36] alisonken1home, well, when I entered in the LD_PRELOAD line it gives me an error...command not found. [11:36] Tadgy, slackware has the reputation as a "building block" type of distro [11:36] of course there will be a need for extra stuff from MANY users (for example, gnome? ). For that, Pat cannot write scripts for everything, so he kind of 'hints' that SBo and GSB are good choices, but it's still a choice you must make. if you choose to compile gnome yourself, more power to you :) [11:37] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [11:37] So, you guys will promote the use of GSB here? Like you promote the use of SBo scripts? [11:37] Horus, paste the >exact< command you used [11:37] SBo and GSB are completely different things [11:37] <-- doesn't like Gnome [11:37] Tadgy: yes for sbo. gsb only if you want gnome [11:37] Tadgy, again - go to the websites and browse around [11:38] most people here will help with sbo - but you go to the gsb channel if you want help with them [11:38] GSB == Gnome for Slackware. SBo == build scripts (no packages) for a wide range of software [11:38] at my user prompt: LD_PRELOAD /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/flashplugin-lahf-fix.so [11:38] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [11:38] Tadgy: you do realize that most of the people in here are slackware users and not part of the team. what people recommend in here are of personal opinion. [11:38] Tadgy's point is that gsb, et. all are commonly referred to "unsupported 3rd party", yet SBo is not. Tadgy, correct me if I'm wrong. [11:38] Horus, you forgot " firefox" after that [11:38] chipster: Yes, exactly right. [11:38] chipster: "unsupported" by whom? [11:38] I don't understand how it's different. [11:38] Tadgy, sure, I would personally recommend GSB for people needing gnome. I would suggest KDE first of course ;) [11:38] I'm a Luser.... Linux User [11:38] dang, your right...thats what I get for staying up all night...thanks [11:39] alienBOB: comments people make in here. [11:39] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [11:39] chipster ++ [11:39] Still, "unsupported" by whom? [11:39] chipster, drop slapt-get :) [11:39] FLAMEWAR!! [11:39] Unsupported by the people in this channel? That is their own choice [11:39] chipster: can I pm? [11:39] \o/ [11:39] alienBOB: great question, no clue :) [11:40] thrice`: sure - thanks for asking. [11:40] thumbs, rather. [11:40] :) [11:40] alisonken1home, it still says LD_PRELOAD command not found [11:40] Tadgy, The difference is both SBo and GSB are "unsupported" officially by Slackware [11:40] Action: chess is confused as to why this is confusing [11:40] since ##slackware channel is unofficial as well, the support will depend on who's online and who is willing to help [11:41] good point as well^ [11:41] Tadgy, ok, both are equally recommended for their goals, but Pat will not help you if you email him with "why is evolution the worst mail client around?" [11:41] Horus, "LD_PRELOAD=...." <-- what was missing in your command line? [11:41] it looks like the = sign [11:41] alienBOB: "unsupported" used in here is pretty generic and all-encomapssing "sounding". But that's a good point you make. [11:41] yeah gnome should pick up claws [11:42] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [11:42] Horus, LD_PRELOAD is a shell variable - not a command, but you used it as if it was a command [11:42] Action: alienBOB goes home [11:43] alisonken1home, it gave me a segmentation fault this time. Do I need to use quote or double quotes around the directory? [11:43] chipster, I think 'unsupported' mostly means, that when someone comes in with their gnome icons missing, most of us would be clueless to help them [11:43] Nick change: Roin -> afk|Roin [11:44] Horus, how did you get the lahf-fix.so file? [11:44] OK. Thanks for the info [11:44] while I definitely recommend gsb as a gnome-for-slack project, I couldn't really help users much myself [11:44] by issueing the two commands on the source file on the alien.slackbook.org page [11:44] SBo on the otherhand, it's easier to assist :> [11:45] Tadgy (tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) left ##slackware. [11:45] thrice`: that's a fine point. [11:45] also many of us are SBo contributors.. [11:46] alisonken1home, I wonder if it won't work since the stream changes at every commercial and it starts with a commercial. [11:46] rafu (~slackrunn@77.53.11.107) joined ##slackware. [11:46] indeed, sahko [11:46] It's not one stream like viewing a youtube video [11:46] Horus, no - the lahf-fix file just traps errors and checks if the error is because of the missing lahf instruction in the cpu [11:46] KickBox (~memo@77.76.38.39) joined ##slackware. [11:47] I know - I have to use lahf-fix on my work desktop because of it being an older pentium 4 machine [11:48] alisonken1home, the first line created the file and the second one installed it into the directory. [11:48] Now I'm kinda confused. [11:48] also - hulu has problems (real or programed, not sure) with 64-bit webbrowsers and flash - I've had to resort to using huludesktop to watch hulu [11:48] huludesktop? [11:49] it's a wrapper around flash that only talks to hulu.com [11:49] i am guessing slackware distribution release announcements prior to 7.0 are lost? [11:50] KickBox (~memo@77.76.38.39) left irc: [11:50] mosno: http://slackware.mirrrors.tds.net/slackware [11:50] alisonken1home, so that tells me that Kubuntu and Fedora really tweeked it because it ran every video on hulu that I played which was about 15 to 20. The same ones don't work in Slackware64. [11:52] alisonken1home: do you mean, http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/ ? your link doesn't seem to work [11:52] mosno, close enough :) [11:52] alisonken1home: i will check the other mirrors, as this one doesn't have all releases [11:52] Horus, correct - *buntu and Fedora do fun things with their stuff [11:53] (out of personal interest i'd like to read all release announcements, assuming they exist for each release) [11:53] alisonken1home: mod_dwim in httpd.conf :) (do what I mean) [11:53] mosno, that's about as far back as you can get - although I do remember there was one obscure place that had it back to version 1 [11:53] i am also assuming that http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=slackware holds the complete list [11:53] rob0, heh [11:54] the requested url is not found on this server [11:54] mosno, not qute - read it and you'll see what I mean [11:54] Horus, what url? [11:54] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:56] mosno, the changelog in each directory includes the release notes [11:56] sorry, wrong thing [11:56] where did you get huludesktop? Slackware repository or source or what? [11:57] basically - grab it from hulu.com labs if you can find it [11:57] however, then you have to create a slackware package if you want to keep track of it [11:57] k [11:58] ok - I've had to blow away my firefox directory - someone have a link to a pastebin for pictures again? [11:58] petera3 (~pa3@75-149-128-53-Connecticut.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:59] alisonken1home: i don't follow [11:59] http://imgbin.org/ ? [12:00] dive thankd [12:00] alisonken1home, I downloaded the Fedora rpm...now I think I run rpm2tgz? [12:00] thanks [12:00] mosno, your comment about distro release announcements [12:02] Horus, that converts an rpm to a tgz file, but doesn't make it a slackware package [12:02] niels__horn (bb59f3a6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.187.89.243.166) joined ##slackware. [12:02] you can still install it as a tgz, though [12:02] hmmm, ok I guess all my reading didn't include how to make a slackware package [12:02] Horus, http://imagebin.org/101646 <-- picture of my desktop with huludesktop running WARNING: big picture file [12:03] lol [12:03] alisonken1home: yes, i was looking for a complete set of release announcements. i assumed that distrowatch had the complete list of slackware distribution versions, and you said "not quite"... that's where i lost you. you said that the changelog in each dir includes the release notes... are you saying that the release announcement is embedded in the changelog? [12:03] alisonken1home, jay leno > * [12:03] I'll check it out now [12:04] sinuhe (~sinuhe@199.227.49.182) joined ##slackware. [12:04] alisonken1home: sorry [12:04] mosno, yes - the last entry ( around the top of the changelog) is the release announcement for that release [12:04] alisonken1home, funny that you use all GTK apps in kde ;) [12:04] thrice`, funny you're still alive [12:05] pidgin, xchat, firefox, and gkrellm are all part of base slackware install :) [12:05] mmmm gkrellm [12:05] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:06] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [12:06] alisonken1home, very cool pic. I hate windows so much that hulu and youtube are the only things that I have to startx for. Otherwise I like the command line. [12:06] loafy (~loafy@72.84.97.42) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:06] shameless_plug warning-- i heard unixporn.com was a great site to post desktop pics and even has a CLI app to send desktop pics to it. [12:07] mm.. I even use X apps in kde! What should those be used in? Xfce? [12:07] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423378.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:07] no, just funny that ALL of the apps are GTK, and none kde or qt-based ;) [12:08] alisonken1home, I use finch, snownews (for RSS), irssi, alpine, and links -g. [12:08] alisonken1home: i see. however, it isn't quite the same thing: eg. the compare the slackware-announce announcement for 12.1 with the Thu May 1 entry in ChangeLog [12:08] alisonken1home: ie. the text differs [12:08] anyhow, i guess it's better than nothing :) [12:08] thrice`: gtk's good, much better than gnome ;) [12:09] and i'm losing interest... but if i regain it, i know where to look (seach the web for obscure mirrors, look at the ChangeLog) [12:09] Aldaron, gnome uses the gtk widget set :) [12:09] heh [12:09] alisonken1home: I know :). Certainly some gtk apps are better than others [12:09] alisonken1home, when I worked at Agilent/HP in 2000, I used HP unix and an NT box. I fell in love with Unix. [12:09] true :) [12:09] I started with linux rather than unix when I was at a Naval research facility [12:10] but picked up on some unix since they used sun servers there [12:11] alisonken1home: LMAO at your colleague's (justink) comment in "TSers" [12:11] alisonken1home, that's very cool. I don't think I even touched a computer when I was in the Army. Except for the Commodore vic 20 and Commodore 64 until I went to college and learned PC's. [12:12] another question: does majordomo confirm subscription requests for slackware-{announce,security}? it's been at least 20min and i haven't seen a reply, i just want to ensure that i'm correctly subscribed [12:12] alisonken1home, not to get too far off the subject but were you in the Navy or a civilian working there? [12:12] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:12] (assuming it's a machine-generated reply) [12:12] Horus, Retired navy. 21 years [12:12] Yes. Not confirming a subscription request is pretty much always a recipe for spam. [12:13] s/pretty much// [12:13] alisonken1home, awesome. I only put in 8yrs. that was enough for me in the 80's. [12:13] 1975-1996 [12:13] rob0: perhaps it failed because of the non-black subject line? or should i just wait some more? [12:13] blank* [12:14] alisonken1home, I went in right after graduation at '82. [12:14] chipster, yeah - you should see some of the other comments that pop up - especially on graveyard :) [12:14] I signed up at 17 while a senior in h.s. [12:14] dunno, I run a a Mailman list server, not the Major. [12:14] delayed entry [12:15] alisonken1home, so did I at 18 though. I guess now I have to figure out how to make a slackpkg [12:15] Ken's an old fart! [12:15] not older than you :> [12:15] rob0, and with the grey chest hairs to prove it:) [12:15] yes he is! I was not old enough for the military in '75 [12:16] Horus, pretty easy - there's actually a help page at slackbuilds.org on building a slackbuild with making a package [12:16] alisonken1home, I didn't see anything in the slackbook on making them...I guess thats why there is google unless it is in the how to's. [12:16] rob0, is a youngster with high aspirations [12:16] indeed [12:16] alisonken1home: that's hilarious :) [12:16] I'm actually younger than the President of USA. You're not. :) [12:16] Horus, http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [12:17] alisonken1home, thanks for the tip...on my way. Thanks again for the help. Thanks for the url. [12:17] np [12:17] I've worked w/Justink. Helpful [12:17] Horus, and if you read a few scripts it will help [12:17] sixx (~sixx@212.183.140.1) joined ##slackware. [12:17] dive, thanks. [12:17] chipster, yep. pretty much the whole ts group is helpful [12:18] np [12:18] Action: mosno wonders if 13.1 stays crispy in milk [12:18] mosno: lol [12:18] Action: alisonken1home notes that only if 13.1 goes in the milk. the computer may have issues and let the magic smoke out [12:18] mosno, IIRC that was 7.1 [12:19] rob0: off by one! [12:19] http://slackware.com/lists/archive/viewer.php?l=slackware-announce&y=1999&m=slackware-announce.701299 [12:19] ah [12:20] ugh, apache httpd 1.3.9 [12:20] mosno, IIRC, those announcements are pretty much in the changelog - the only real difference is the announcemnet part is the only thing that's put in the mailing list [12:20] bad, bad memories. [12:20] but as noted, they probably added the bottom part about ordering and payment methods [12:21] alisonken1home: you're probably right, but as noted earlier, the text differs for at least one announcement (ignoring the ordering/payment bit) [12:22] not that i have found a mirror with all releases yet (not that i'm actively looking) [12:22] mosno, ok - probalby the advanced features list too :) [12:22] alisonken1home: the bits i'm interested in is "new in this release, $thing_we_do_differently, etc." [12:22] well, I mirror tds.net and there's not much before 3.5 - slackware96 and the first "official" release come to mind [12:22] eg. slackpkg [12:22] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@200.63.199.99) joined ##slackware. [12:23] Ok folks. I got a laptop right there at my desk. But I'm on my bed right now. There's a X server and a shell running on that laptop. I wanna control the X-server via vnc or something like this. Any hints which software I should use for doing this? [12:23] tightvnc? [12:23] fb|jean, actually you probably mean something like "have my laptop show it's desktop on my desktop" - which is remote desktop [12:24] yes, that's it [12:24] Isn't that what vnc let's me do? [12:24] are you using kde? [12:24] nah, i3 [12:24] k [12:25] the remote machine is running a X with I3, on the client I'm using OS X but this should be no problem [12:25] So, is using vnc the right way? [12:25] there's instructions on remote X login - like what's used with thin clinets [12:25] client [12:26] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:26] ok, so via remote X I can show my whole remote desktop screen in one single window? as for now, I'm only familiar with x tunneling via ssh and that's not that what I wanna do [12:26] it's not your remote desktop - it's X forwarding it's session to your desktop [12:26] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [12:27] although in practice it seems like it [12:27] fb|jean: generally what I do, ssh to the desktop, and only run a few X apps as needed on the laptop, locally. [12:27] screen(1) is nice, you can connect to the same session from more than one place. [12:27] rob0: but ssh'ing just gives you shells not a whole X instance running on the far-away-standing machine [12:28] yeah, I am not interested in the whole X instance. [12:28] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:28] But I am :P [12:28] VNC is okay, but might be a bit slow over wireless. [12:28] Damn [12:28] Any alternative? [12:28] TIAS [12:29] you have a KDE VNC client and server in Slackware already. [12:29] rob0: well... I'm not running slackware on that and of course I don't wanna load all the kde libs [12:29] rob0: I just wanna controll my little tiling window manager remotely [12:30] Which one is Slackware? It does not have any of KDE? [12:31] nothing of them is slackware [12:32] it's an distribution independent question [12:32] hmmm. [12:32] This is a distribution-specific channel. [12:32] :) [12:33] rob0: ok then let's say I'm running slackware on it but don't have the kde stuff on it :PÜ [12:33] -Ü [12:33] Bye. [12:33] -_- [12:38] Nick change: afk|Roin -> Roin [12:39] niels__horn (bb59f3a6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.187.89.243.166) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:45] slacknode (~Slacknode@32.160.22.17) joined ##slackware. [12:45] grafzero (~grafzero@unaffiliated/grafzero) joined ##slackware. [12:46] rafu (~slackrunn@77.53.11.107) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:47] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] adrien (~adrien@ns.armedbsd.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:48] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:50] slacknode (~Slacknode@32.160.22.17) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:50] Elektro_ (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:56] setting up my first nfs share, config files here: http://pastebin.com/HaNAYjb7 [12:56] interesting that after you login on the slackware DVD, the second paragraph says "just run pkgtool" -- why does it say this? [12:56] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:56] But getting: mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting 192.168.10.252:/var/images1 [12:56] ie. since you're supposed to run setup [12:56] mtkoan, first problem I see is "portmap:.." in hosts.allow [12:57] slacknode (~Slacknode@32.161.96.196) joined ##slackware. [12:57] alisonken1home: how should it look? [12:57] mtkoan, the hosts.allow is used to specify which _host_computers_ can connect, not what services are available [12:57] mtkoan: are rc.nfsd & rc.rpc both mode +x & running? [12:57] Action: alphageek eyes rc.rpc [12:58] I think portmap is rpc.portmap [12:58] they aren't +x, but I started them with sh [12:59] mosno, "man exports" and look at the examples at the bottom [12:59] what was logged on the server? [12:59] although /var/images1 with specific host looks good [12:59] Jun 17 12:57:04 agate mountd[18168]: authenticated mount request from 192.168.10.29:683 for /var/images1 (/var/images1) [13:00] that looks good ... [13:00] yep [13:00] v4nelle (~van@79.107.195.29) joined ##slackware. [13:01] Jun 17 12:56:55 agate nfsd[18166]: nfssvc: Function not implemented [13:01] Jun 17 12:57:04 agate mountd[18168]: getfh failed: Function not implemented [13:03] mtkoan: have you checked that your bios battery is loaded correctly? [13:03] does it work with hosts_access(5) allowing everything from 192.168.10.29 ? [13:03] alisonken1home: I was configuring as per http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-3.3/docs/NFS-HOWTO [13:03] mtkoan, note the version of slackware that was applied to :) (slackware-3.3) [13:03] *blink* [13:03] fb|jean: what? O_o [13:03] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:04] that's an ever so slightly dated document [13:04] probably fine for debian (tools are likely of the same versions ), but not slack [13:04] mtkoan, what version of slackware are you using [13:04] 13.0 on this machine [13:04] slacknode (~Slacknode@32.161.96.196) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:05] mtkoan: uhm. forget it. [13:05] xsamurai (~jamonyou@unaffiliated/xsamurai) joined ##slackware. [13:06] slacknode (~Slacknode@166.194.100.47) joined ##slackware. [13:06] alisonken1home: probably very little has changed in NFS since then :) [13:07] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:08] true - but the "portmap" entry I think is what's killing it [13:08] yeah, I think 192.168.10.29 needs permission to connect to anything, for testing [13:10] mtkoan, try http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ [13:10] it was also updated in 2006 and appears reasonably filling [13:11] alisonken1home: once i have an installed system, i will check it [13:11] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*puffy@*.warwick.net expired. [13:11] So, just putting the line 'ALL' in 192.168.10.29:/etc/hosts.allow ? [13:11] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*puffy@*.warwick.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:11] I have had the rsize=x,wsize=x options in my fstab(5) for years, but I'm finally getting rid of those. Ancient, outmoded advice. [13:11] ok - portmap may be ok [13:11] that's a start [13:12] I don't know hosts_access(5) syntax anymore, I stopped using it. [13:12] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-170.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [13:12] : [] ... [13:13] or : [13:14] oh - host_access. ok not sure if that's the same [13:14] mosno, also, need to verify that /etc/rc.d/rc.portmap is run as well [13:14] anyway - time to hit the rack [13:14] alisonken1home: wait, i was asking about ... not NFS :) [13:15] ? [13:15] alisonken1home: no wonder your previous "check exports" confused me [13:15] i'm not mtkoan :) [13:15] She probably won't appreciate that, alisonken1home. [13:15] sorry - [13:15] mtkoan, check /etc/rc.d/rc.portmap is running [13:15] Ok.. that looks just like what I have: portmap: 192.168.10.29 [13:15] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [13:15] doh - definitely time for bed :) [13:15] alisonken1home: np. have fun hitting the rack and/or sack :) [13:16] actually, portmap is a program set, not a serivce [13:16] Ok [13:17] sadman_ (sadman@en-pc243.htwg-konstanz.de) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [13:17] slacknode (~Slacknode@166.194.100.47) left irc: [13:17] /etc/rc.d/rc.portmap turns on port mapping services so things like nfs mount requests can be shoved to the appropriate server daemon [13:17] Action: rob0 afk [13:17] I don't have that init script [13:18] sorry - /etc/rc.d/rc.rpc [13:18] rafu (~slackrunn@77.53.11.107) joined ##slackware. [13:18] it starts rpc.portmap and rpc.statd daemons [13:19] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:19] Yea, that's right [13:19] Horus (~kerryb@c-71-237-48-154.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:19] mosno, it would be better if the wife was there also, but that's the joy of graveyard :) [13:19] alisonken1home: graveyard shift you mean? [13:19] nfs needs both portman and statd - your hosts.allow was only allowing portmap [13:20] mosno, yep [13:20] alisonken1home: :-D [13:20] alisonken1home: hosts.allow is on the server right? I have those lines now.. still permission denied. [13:20] Horus64 (~Horus64@c-71-237-48-154.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:20] mtkoan, yes - hosts.allow is what the server uses to match allowed remote hosts to access local services [13:21] mtkoan, since it's a private network, try ALL for now [13:21] while testing [13:21] rmielnic (~sadman@en-pc243.htwg-konstanz.de) joined ##slackware. [13:21] v4nelle (~van@79.107.195.29) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:22] anyway - off to bed [13:22] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [13:22] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [13:22] Darnit, still permission denied [13:26] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.86.17.215.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:27] mtkoan, ok - what command did you use on the client to mount? full line please [13:28] nfs isn't listed in `rpcinfo -p' .. weird [13:28] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:28] on the client or server [13:28] mount -t nfs 192.168.10.252:/var/images1 /mnt/tmp [13:28] server [13:29] that should do it [13:29] And client [13:29] how about firewall rules? [13:30] I haven't messed with that at all [13:32] http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ar01s07.html is telling me I need to see nfs in 'rpcinfo -p' .. which I don't, even though I started /etc/rc.d/rc.nfsd [13:33] You should see portmapper, status, and nlockmgr [13:33] portmapper on 111, status and lockd on random ports unless you've followed some excellent advice from a real stand-up guy. [13:34] Action: mosno sees how far he can get without having perl or python installed on a desktop system (slackware is fun) [13:34] Ok I'm retarded: FATAL: Module nfsd not found. [13:37] That line should be in red, dammit [13:37] hehe... In case you're interested: http://rlworkman.net/howtos/NFS_Firewall_HOWTO [13:38] rworkman: thanks, reading it now [13:38] mtkoan: perhaps use a colorizing log viewer ;) [13:40] Ah, success [13:40] From slackware 13, how to see if it mounts from solaris 8 [13:40] s/how/now [13:41] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [13:47] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:47] Wait, which was the real stand-up guy? Ken? He's laying down now. [13:48] grazymax (~grazymax@host130-86-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:48] hellanio (~user@187.58.95.52) joined ##slackware. [13:50] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:51] Won't mount from Solaris, argh [13:51] Try "-o vers=3" [13:52] rob0: it was you, of course. [13:52] +1 rworkman [13:52] i faced the same issue with osol [13:52] Ha, but Ken helped him more. [13:52] took me a bit of searching to figure that out [13:53] Oh, wel, then it's Ken. [13:53] xsamurai: :) [13:53] Action: alienBOB 's Slackware 13.1 subscription DVD was waiting on the door mat when I got home :-) [13:53] alienBOB: yay! [13:54] Which is weird, usually I get mine weeks after the US folk [13:55] alienBOB: cool :D [13:55] alienBOB: where do you live if I'm allowed to ask? [13:55] alienBOB: UPS express delivery ;) [13:55] i got my dvd last week [13:56] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.182.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [13:56] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [13:56] Nothing express about the delivery... I am just another Slackware subscriber address [13:58] Arno[Slack] (~arno@92.90.16.16) joined ##slackware. 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[14:10] mtkoan: read it carefully its telling you why its not going to mount [14:10] ivo_ (~strato@f048048042.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:11] I think its telling I don't have permission to mount anything [14:11] not anything but the folder you specified [14:11] the command line is fine [14:11] fix your permission issues [14:12] what does your exports file say, check the directory permissions as well [14:12] I can mount it fine from a slackware box, just not solaris [14:13] Oh ok, /etc/exports is bad [14:13] both boxes are on the same lan ? [14:13] l [14:13] k [14:13] Man do I feel stupid today haha [14:14] Ok I'm going to eat food, at least now we can backup the Informix database [14:14] mtkoan: it happens [14:16] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:16] god i hate working with debian .... pkg resolution drives me nutso [14:16] tell me about it [14:16] and the way they do certain things make me want to run over cows [14:17] I have to have a debian server so my parents can host their website without much configuration on their part. [14:17] Herman (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:17] xovan: try working with 60+ debian servers , each one with its own drama [14:17] did it break a nail? [14:18] I don't know if I could do network administration on that scale [14:19] step 1. get a chair that spins [14:19] its not like spinning plates [14:19] step 2. get really loud headphones [14:19] check [14:19] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [14:19] step 3. play quake all day [14:19] check [14:19] hey I can do this [14:19] not so hard [14:20] I've been doing this for awhile now [14:20] :D [14:20] machines are pretty reliable in most respects [14:20] i know I got a mac 512k that still runs [14:20] my machines only fail when i'm travelling [14:20] don't they always? [14:20] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:21] or the new guy at the datacenter , I always get the new guy [14:23] I wish I could buy myself a big old router. I have too many computers to connect, might be cheaper than making them all wireless. [14:23] i'd like to use all guruplugs [14:23] no fans, very compact and cheap [14:24] looks good [14:24] I could use a few of those [14:24] I think I'm addicted to lans [14:25] they're backordered right now tho [14:26] Nick change: Roin -> afk|Roin [14:26] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Quit: Leaving... [14:31] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:32] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:34] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [14:34] dchmelik (~d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [14:35] wertik_rus (~wertik@193.239.129.242) joined ##slackware. [14:35] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:36] And they say slackware is old and obsolete, so im trying to install php5-clamav on debian lenny, its not supported in this distro but its available in the previous/next release, so I decide to build the pkg myself. Now the libs are not in the main repo, they are in a different "volatile" repo, so I update my sources and get the lib pkgs. Then I build the php5-clamav pkg, after I install the pkg , it complains the pkg is missing another lib(h [14:38] dios_mio (test@88.241.142.100) joined ##slackware. [14:39] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [14:39] xsamurai: i had that exact same problem on a ppc machine i put debian onto. building from source when the pkg mgr doesn't want you to, is like pulling teeth. [14:41] Arno[Slack] (~arno@92.90.16.16) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:44] how can i set a global setting so vim is the default editor? [14:44] xsamurai: i assume you've checked if the package is available in debian backports? [14:44] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [14:44] yep [14:45] getting it from there [14:46] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:46] then why do you have to build it? backports provides binaries, no? [14:46] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:51] ppcKlaatu: there are ways to manage that. having said that, i have never bothered since there's so much to learn at once if you want to do it properly [14:52] yeah, usually when something doesnt work on linux its cuz i don't know how to do it right. i don't blame debian. [14:54] they could make it more accessible to learn how it's done though [14:54] /etc/profile :D [14:54] i've noticed that many binary distros present that information in the context of being/becoming a distro developer, not an end-user that wants to build a few things [14:54] fb|jean (champus@unaffiliated/champus) left ##slackware. [14:55] which makes it artificially difficult to learn, imho [14:55] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-zqtorpjdnexqashr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:55] the exception to this (ime) is gentoo, which makes the process fairly transparent [14:56] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-axsrhxcykevayjrj) joined ##slackware. [14:56] Aidar-Nagato (admin@77.79.178.77.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left ##slackware. [14:57] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:59] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-9-192.kotinet.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:59] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [15:00] actually there is no php5-clamav backport pkg for lenny,hence i was building it [15:01] anyways back to work [15:01] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:02] xsamurai: in that case, i feel your pain :) [15:03] pnq (asdf@ACA37056.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [15:03] AEnima15772 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:04] it only gets better and better, i remember a similar issue on the previous release , the whole clamav/php branch is not well maintained [15:04] easier to use perl for scanning, call via php [15:05] Shuren (~Devilman@host33-171-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:06] get (~isix-os@devel.isix-os.org) left irc: Changing host [15:06] get (~isix-os@unaffiliated/get) joined ##slackware. [15:07] is /var/log/secure the same as /var/log/authlog on debian? 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[17:07] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:08] coffee! [17:09] indietrash (~indietras@74.81-166-209.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [17:10] 20mb ram/25mhz cpu. what version should I use? [17:10] johndee (~id@93-81-119-210.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:11] indietrash: what do you want to do with such hardware ? [17:11] in bed [17:11] niels__horn (~niels@189.106.136.118) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:11] haha :P [17:12] cue microsoft, "Where do you want to go today?" [17:12] trhodes: firstly, install slackware. [17:12] donate your idle bogomips to project SETI [17:12] lol [17:12] indietrash: i mean, do you expect a gui ? [17:12] 25mhz cpu hmm [17:13] you should compile qt [17:13] thrice`: yes. I have run with a gui before. grey cat linux is another option. [17:13] haha [17:13] thrice`: ^ [17:13] [Carmine] (~mosca@unaffiliated/carmine/x-6875209) joined ##slackware. [17:13] trhodes: goddamn I suck at tabbing. but yeah. [17:13] indietrash: what kind of chip is that [17:13] trhodes: anyway, right now it's running win 95. quite happily, I might add. but I want to go back to slack. or install gcl. [17:13] i know calculators with more cpu power [17:14] xsamurai: don't remember. [17:14] do you mean 250mhz ? [17:14] xsamurai: no. [17:14] hmm [17:14] pnq (asdf@ACA2A043.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [17:14] my TI-82 ran like 8MHz (8 bit Z80) [17:15] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:15] (a lot less memory though) [17:15] xsamurai: I'm assuming it's a 386. don't remember though. [17:15] [Carmine] (mosca@unaffiliated/carmine/x-6875209) left ##slackware ("Sto andando via"). [17:15] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [17:15] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:15] indietrash, it is time for retirement;) [17:15] right click on my computer and goto properties it should state the cpu speed [17:16] maybe its before my time but i dont recall using a 25mhz cpu [17:16] xsamurai: I know what the cpu speed is. I am not a retard. I would not be fscking with Slackware on a 20mb/25mhz computer if I was. ;-) [17:16] windows 3.11 was probably the OS at that time [17:17] must be 486dx2 then [17:17] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:17] sirslacker (1000@s1582.dyn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [17:18] how many mb is your hd ? [17:19] xsamurai: >600, iirc. [17:20] big [17:20] big enough. I'm considering swapping it though. it's an ordinary 2.5". [17:21] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:21] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:21] hellanio (~user@187.77.239.172) joined ##slackware. [17:21] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-axsrhxcykevayjrj) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:21] just install a , ap , d , l to get you started [17:21] go through them and remove whatever you dont need [17:21] Gyuszk (~hangcsapd@host-94-248-208-101.kabelnet.hu) left irc: Quit: :P [17:22] i doubt you can run x on 20mb's though [17:22] xsamurai: you can run x on 8mb ram, believe me [17:22] what version of x is this ? [17:22] and how many times did you move the mouse in a day ? [17:22] xsamurai: works fine in gcl [17:23] once again depending on the version of x , dunno what gcl is running and what you were running [17:23] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [17:23] is php 5.2.x no longer maintained? [17:23] i imagine the desktop eyes falling being closed [17:23] xsamurai: I don't remember what version gcl uses. it's based on slack3.5, so probably that version. [17:23] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [17:24] arcfide (~arcfide@adsl-99-14-209-54.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:24] mancha: 5.2.13 was the last release [17:24] last or latest? [17:24] latest [17:24] which was back in feb [17:25] yesh, i'm wondering if it's also the "last" :| [17:25] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [17:25] indietrash: well unless you use an older version of slack i doubt you'll have any luck [17:25] indeed, as much as i like to {run,recommend} new software everywhere, i don't think it would hurt to run a version of slack from that hardware's era [17:25] i wish i had an older computer laying around just to test it out but i'd get pissed halfway of installing and smash it [17:26] I hopefully won't have to be one who recompiles their kernels (as I once was), but anyways, when should I run 'make mrproper'? [17:26] make mrproper nuked emyfing [17:26] I always ran it before menuconfig, but I don't want subsequent config tweaks to take an entire build [17:26] mrproper nukes the config [17:26] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [17:27] Yes, I save it outside the source tree though, mancha [17:27] so why run it at all? [17:27] a copy of it, rather. [17:27] mrproper and clean nuke all your previously compiled bits and piece. [17:27] i wonder if there is a mrsproper [17:27] pieces [17:27] Alan_Hicks, just making sure any thing, like in this case, removing modules will need a clean. [17:27] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:28] why do you wanna make mrproper? [17:28] mancha: i doubt its the last one though, they would have announced it with 5.2.13 changelog [17:28] are you re-using the dir for different kernel version or summits? [17:28] mancha, before, my sanity, but now I'm making sure there aren't any extraneous cases where I shuold. [17:28] xsamurai: that's why I'm asking how old you recommend I go. [17:29] indietrash: 7-3 , start with 7 and work your way down [17:29] xsamurai: if you have vmware, you can replicate what niels_horn did - http://www.nielshorn.net/slackware/slack_old.php [17:29] actually i was running p2 400 on slackware 7 [17:30] all my services start at boot time apart from mythtv backend, i have a rc.mythbackend script and i created a entry in rc.M, but it never starts [17:30] could this be the work of a virus? [17:30] dustybin: hmm, sounds like you'll have to paste your rc.M [17:30] aye ok [17:30] your backend script is executable as well ? [17:31] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:31] silly things like that are most likely to be happening [17:31] I'm running slack 13 on amd k5 266mhz... runs great :b [17:31] yeah that too [17:31] my rc.M entry: [17:31] if [ -x /etc/rc.d/rc.mythbackend ]; then [17:31] /etc/rc.d/rc.mythbackend start [17:31] Channel flood from dustybin -- kicking [17:31] fi [17:31] dustybin kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [17:31] that's pretty forward trhodes [17:31] dustybin (~dustybin@wizbox.org) joined ##slackware. [17:31] dustybin: you ever hear of pastebin [17:31] whoops [17:31] it was only 3 lines [17:31] so i thought that would be ok [17:32] did i think wrong? [17:32] 4 lines [17:32] eeek [17:32] but check your myth script , see if its executable [17:32] yo, remove the enter key from your kb! [17:32] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1282 May 31 23:04 /etc/rc.d/rc.mythbackend [17:32] hmm [17:33] try running the script by itself [17:33] see if you get any errors [17:33] i suspect this could be the work of a trojan horse.. [17:33] me too [17:33] dump your computer in the tub [17:33] then smash it with a sledge hammer [17:33] why not start it in rc.local ? [17:33] archcezar (1000@afgw252.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:34] if i run the script: usage /etc/rc.d/rc.mythbackend start|stop|restart [17:34] Action: mako-sama reads up [17:34] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) joined ##slackware. [17:34] dustybin: care to clarify or put that in a complete sentence [17:34] 25mhz... damn... that brings back memories [17:35] rc.M stuff gets sourced [17:35] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.136.118) joined ##slackware. [17:35] Sooo, why is the channel ##Slackware and not #Slackware? [17:35] xsamurai: i can manually stop and start mythbackend using /etc/rc.d/rc.mythbackend start / stop [17:35] and there was an i386 cpu at 25mhz?.. I thought those started from 33mhz [17:36] arfon: because it's not an official channel [17:36] newyork (~newyork@p5DC92523.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] Hmmm. [17:37] indietrash: slackware 2.2 - 3.6 should work for you , same release time as win95 [17:37] hello [17:37] xsamurai: I know that 3.5 works. [17:37] sirslacker (1000@s1582.dyn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:37] could dustybin's problem be because his rc.mythbackend isn't being sourced ? [17:37] (like all the other rc.M entries) [17:37] That's kinda silly [17:38] dustybin: paste it on pastebin, im sure its just bad code [17:38] arfon: that's freenode's policy. if you're not a project's official, you can't run the official channel without permission [17:38] xsamurai: ok frank [17:38] rc.M entry [17:38] arfon: although patrick gave his permission when he was visiting here few years ago [17:39] Action: xsamurai slaps dustybin with a banana [17:39] gh0st (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:39] arfon: To make you ask questions. [17:39] keeping it unofficial is good too [17:39] xsamurai: this is the last part of the rc.M file: http://paste.debian.net/77828/plain/77828 [17:39] Alan, THAT makes sense! [17:39] Herman (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:39] Well, ## is fine, I was just wondering [17:39] arfon: You're welcome. [17:40] Alan :) [17:40] Can I have a doughnut now? [17:40] do tee things after mythbackend get started? [17:41] i kinda like the double-hash marks....to me it makes this channel MORE official, not less. [17:41] dustybin: indeed, put somethin after rc.mythbackend, like "echo "past rc.mythbackend"" ? [17:41] s/?// [17:41] i'm looking forward to getting promoted to ###slackware one day [17:42] lol [17:42] (actually, just put stuff after your test clauses to see where startup fails) [17:42] dustybin: why is it that some scripts are called with a dot and some aren't ? [17:42] i am trying to set my slackware 13.1 up to watch tv with my skystar 2 pci tv card, one problem is that i cant find a working dvb-apps slackbuild [17:42] bonus for what the dot signifies [17:42] xsamurai: oh yeah, im not sure [17:43] I'm waiting for #!!!!!SlackWarez!!!!! [17:43] xsamurai: shall i try a dot ? [17:43] silly dots [17:43] who needs 'em ? [17:43] Action: dustybin tests [17:43] hinduism [17:43] dustybin: dunno, it could be pretty crazy [17:43] I need to pirate a copy of Slackware 6.0, it seems to be missing from my collection... [17:44] no, you don't try a dot dustybin. [17:44] dot dustybin? [17:44] haha [17:44] Tab fail [17:44] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:45] instead of rebooting my server [17:45] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:45] how can i start off a init [17:45] init1 [17:45] pnq (asdf@ACA2A043.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:45] add echo statements before going [17:46] before and after the myth line [17:46] i dont understand what you mean by echo statements [17:46] init -q ? [17:46] what will that do? [17:46] that will show you what's happening [17:46] it will let you know if the stuff prior and after is getting executed and everything is proceeding normally [17:46] echo statements are a bit beyond me [17:47] indietrash (indietras@74.81-166-209.customer.lyse.net) left ##slackware ("bike"). [17:47] the server is headless [17:47] i will not see anything [17:47] echo "I like chicken" [17:47] I like chicken [17:47] headless server, must be a blondegx2 [17:47] oh wow [17:47] I like chicken... I like chicken... i like chicken... i l...... [17:47] headless chicken? [17:47] dustybin: like so: http://paste.debian.net/77830/ [17:48] (and so on) [17:48] trhodes: how will i see those echo statements on a headless server? [17:48] a chicken continues running for many minutes after it is decapitated. does it have a UPS? [17:48] yes [17:49] apcupsd [17:49] dustybin: you can output to a log file [17:49] echo 'blah' >> $LOGFILE [17:49] Manch: restless leg syndrome [17:50] mythbackend requires mysql [17:50] maybe mysql was not started [17:50] when mythbackend started [17:50] now here's a question I have - could he setterm -dump && less screen.dump to skip all the logging stuff (not like logging is bad or anything...) ? [17:51] blaines (~blaines@75-171-126-219.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [17:51] *setterm -dump $TTY # with TTY being, (not sure) 1 ? [17:51] blaines (~blaines@75-171-126-219.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [17:51] dunno havent tried that but will test it out [17:52] i've not tried that yet, either [17:52] (figured i may as well ask) [17:53] Catoptromancy (~Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [17:53] slow day [17:53] blaines (~blaines@75-171-126-219.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] spartanVI (~spartan@c-71-56-81-37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:54] 8 more mins for me :) [17:54] i have to pee, the suspense is killing me [17:55] joined ubuntu [17:56] mako-sama: mayhem ensued? [17:56] yup [17:56] i'm bored ~_~ [17:56] How does one join Ubuntu? [17:56] ubuntu's channel [17:57] Oh! #ubuntu. [17:57] Sinuhe, you first have to get a partial lobotomy [17:57] arfon: Makes sense, at least for a CLI guy. [17:57] Action: sinuhe doesn't need no stinkin' GUI [17:57] I felt lazy. I didn't want to reach for the # [17:59] I appreciate what Ubuntu has done for desktop Linux but I hate how it has pretty much killed the HOWTOs that used to be everywhere and fairly uptodate. [17:59] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Quit: new .screenrc [17:59] they are still there except now google lists 100 pages of ubuntards asking questions on forums [18:00] before the howtos [18:00] BINGO [18:00] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [18:00] ubunutards [18:00] I like that [18:01] i wonder what names they have for us [18:01] "Old-farts" [18:01] Slacktards [18:01] personally i'd like to be referred to as "slutware" [18:01] Those are the two I hear [18:01] slutware, I'll have to put that on a t-shirt [18:01] asarch (~asarch@189.188.199.193) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:02] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423378.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:02] Oh well , quitting time... I'm going home. :) [18:02] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:03] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:04] Hey slackware doesn't use evdev does it? [18:04] yes [18:04] almost all modern-X.org installs use evdev by default [18:05] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:05] thanks [18:06] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:06] xsamurai (~jamonyou@unaffiliated/xsamurai) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:09] Anybody with first-hand experience on how well Slack supports eeePC hardware? eeePC 1005-PE in particular. :) [18:10] that of course depends on which hardware is in the 1005-PE :> [18:10] things to pay attention to are video + wireless cards, usually [18:11] the 1000 ones are supported very well [18:11] True that. *g* I put Ubuntu on the netbook at first, which works mostly well, but I am somewhat annoyed by how overloaded it is, so I am looking for a more minimalistic and configurable distribution. [18:11] unless there's a poulsbo card or so in there [18:12] Ubuntu uses the ath5k driver for my wireless on the 1005pe as far as I know. [18:12] gekko_: based on my experience on a non-eee laptop, if you care about bluetooth internet connectivity, slackware isn't gonna be nice [18:12] slackware is far from minimalistic :( [18:12] Aldaron: maybe you're talking about !13.1 [18:12] gekko_, Not too much worked defaultly [18:13] in 13.1 bluetooth works from what ive seen [18:13] but the drivers are a relatively quick install for wireless [18:13] Nah, no need for bluetooth for me really :) [18:14] sahko: no, I'm talking about 13.1. Well, all instructions I could find were for older slacks [18:14] thrice`: It looked potentially minimalistic to me from the fact you can pick what to install down to the desktop environment. [18:14] in that case it is, yes. but the default install is quite fat [18:15] and you can make ubuntu slim too.. install twm and remove gnome :P [18:15] sahko: although I admit being wrong - the thing I tried already was connecting my phone over USB - that didn't result in any visible network connection options (unlike on eeebuntu, which iirc just asked if I want to go online) [18:15] Oh, I don't really want to just hit the "install everything" button, no. Just with Ubuntu there doesn;t seem to be an option but that one. D: [18:15] do they have packages for twm on ubuntu? :P [18:15] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:15] sahko: can you point me to some program I should use for bluetooth? Wicd doesn't seem to do that [18:16] mako-sama, I think so. [18:16] Aldaron, wicd is a network manager, of course [18:16] I bet they have, and of course Ubuntu can be configured as well. I just don't want a distribution that installs a hundred packages I have to go on and uninstall again right after setting up my computer. :) [18:16] Aldaron: blueman/kbluetooth [18:16] thrice`: yes. When I want to connect to a network, my first thought is to try the network manager ;). (I care about bluetooth -> phone -> internet) [18:17] I think only network manager can do such magic [18:17] wicd is for wlan and eth [18:17] It turned much better in Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, but on the older ones it was just annoying having it install 20 games I needed to uninstall one by one. Stuff like that. [18:18] Oh my, I tried wicd one time. When resolving dependencies it uninstalled network manager... along with gdm and big parts of gnome. *g* [18:19] Zoubiddaaa (~Zoubiddaa@2001:7a8:34d5::1:102) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:19] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:19] gekko_: haha [18:19] wasnt that expected? [18:19] gg automatic dependency manager. [18:20] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.36.4) joined ##slackware. [18:20] Well, it said it'd uninstall network manager. Which was pretty much expected and okay, I just didn't think it'd pull gnome along and down into the abyss :) [18:20] sahko: seems I don't have kbluetooth installed (nor can find in extras, testing or SBo). Where did you get it? (blueman seems to be there already) [18:20] i built it myself [18:20] ahh, okay. This is what I mean with it being hard with slackware :P [18:21] hard of course depends on what you can do [18:21] hmm maybe i should submit it @ SBo now that i think of it [18:21] sahko: if you have a build script for it, I'd be very happy :) [18:21] I read about slackpkg and installpkg or something along those lines. What is the default way of installing stuff on Slackware? [18:22] gekko_: Download the source and compile :P [18:22] gekko_: download packages the way you like, then installpkg. Or, download a source tarball and a slackbuild script, run the script (to compile and create a package), then install package [18:22] I think I will start with SLackware on my old desktop machine to learn the basics :) [18:23] Aldaron: sure. in a couple of mins [18:23] sahko: thank you very much in advance :) [18:23] gekko_: good idea :) [18:23] Slackware was the first linux distribution I ever tried. About 8 years ago on my laptop - which was twice the trouble. Absolute beginner plus laptop hardware at that time :) [18:24] So from back then I still have a ton of fear of installing from source, because I never got that to work ages ago. *g* [18:24] if you install everything you never need to worry about deps [18:25] I don't mind learning how it works... ^^ [18:26] well. Doing a full install is a good idea. So is getting to know slackbuilds.org :). [18:26] Many scripts from there are beautiful examples of how compiling is best done [18:27] there are no missing deps if everything is there [18:27] slackware is the only distro i know of what lets you install everything [18:27] v4nelle (~van@79.107.216.94) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:28] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.36.4) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:28] dustybin: well, you still need to be careful about deps if some SBo script or other source code has deps that are outside slackware's standard packages, but that's minor [18:28] Aldaron: sure, but thats not very common [18:28] Though the good thing about slackbuilds is it probably wont compile if your mission the dep most of the time ;) [18:29] Aldaron: http://ul.to/jtet67 [18:29] its missing a README and .info but includes the source [18:30] but you're welcome to download it from kde-apps as well to check its integrity [18:30] :) [18:33] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [18:34] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:40] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:41] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:41] it needs a "cd.." right after make install [18:43] rheault (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:43] slightly funny that it wants to go to that dir.. It's minor anyway, easily fix'd [18:43] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:44] build is needed for many apps using cmake [18:44] while others dont [18:44] cmake sucks [18:44] ..require it [18:44] okay, maybe it's a cmake thing, I don't know [18:45] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [18:45] I wish there was some build system that didn't suck ;) [18:45] autotools doesn't suck [18:45] lol [18:47] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@200.63.199.99) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:47] spartanVI (~spartan@c-71-56-81-37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:48] mancha: have you used autotools for your own code? I mean, it's not inherently sucky, but I found it hard :) [18:49] biker (~biker@201.170.194.235.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:49] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-23-249.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [18:50] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:51] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [18:55] Aldaron i've not had issues, plus the templates provided are easy to customize [18:55] for autogen.sh i mean [18:56] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:56] btw, setterm -dump only shows one pageful of text output, so it's not too useful as a way aroung logging / saving output [18:56] starts @ ldconfig on my laptop [18:56] (down to login prompt) [18:57] mancha: oh.. Sounds like I need to look up autogen.sh! [18:57] speaking of building code, anyone playing with gcc 4.5.0 ? if so, any good info on code generation? [18:59] Aldaron some people like to call it buildconf. it's just a script that automates piping things to get your Makefile, configure scripts, etc [18:59] hm. kbluetooth installs, and runs after running rc.bluetooth, but DUN fails :( [18:59] random question: does anyone know what i have to do to allow my friend in another house to access my computer? I've already got the router settings page up, so does anyone know what to do next? [18:59] port forwarding sounds like a good way to proceed, spartanVI [19:00] ah, sounds about right (sorry, I'm a linux noob) [19:00] np, should be easy to set up with a gui settings page [19:00] sahko: is there something else that needs to be done? [19:00] Aldaron: whats DUN [19:01] Dial Up Networking? [19:01] first though [19:01] t [19:01] dun dun dun dunnnnnnnnnnn [19:01] what's DUN is done [19:01] nom nom nom [19:02] who DUN it [19:02] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-122-160-214.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:02] Oh suzana dun you cry for me [19:02] someone wanna give me a name of some sort that needs ./autogen.sh or autoconf? Anything will do. [19:02] s/sort/source/ [19:03] clone a git tree [19:03] dive: any perl module? [19:03] not perl [19:03] yeah sahko I shoudl have thought of that [19:03] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:06] spartanVI (~spartan@c-71-56-81-37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:06] spartanVI (~spartan@c-71-56-81-37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:06] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:10] two more questions... do i put my ip into the port forwarding slot, and if so, how do i find it? [19:10] the router should have something like port; ip; port [19:10] john_dee (~id@93-81-119-210.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [19:11] Okay, so bluetooth internet is still being un-easy :). But it's a step forward. Time to bed [19:11] the first is the outside port, the next two are the lan ip and port on the target machine. your linux machine needs to get a static ip from the router, dhcp could assign differentones and then your forward would be broked [19:12] you can find out your current ip by looking at the output of "ifconfig" [19:13] mancha: right... gimie a sec [19:13] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] newyork (~newyork@p5DC92523.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:15] "Port Range Forward"? [19:19] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:21] asamoah (~caio@190.244.49.108) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:22] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:23] to port forward, do I disable DCHP in the router? that would give everyone that uses my wireless the same ip every time they log into it, right? [19:24] dhcp on your router probably has the option to award static ips (via mac map probably) [19:25] I was looking for that and found only "Static DNS" [19:27] i am sure it is ther [19:30] x-ip_ (~x-ip@host29.200-82-63.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [19:32] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.27) joined ##slackware. [19:33] dear god I have been wondering for a week now wI can make certain kernel modules compile and it turns out autoconf.h isn't in with the rest of the kernel headers [19:34] bah "wI can" = why I can't [19:44] pnq (asdf@ACA415E6.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:44] NthDegree (~NthDegree@88-107-175-98.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:46] dvel (~dvel@243.85.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. 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[20:02] pine [20:02] alpine [20:02] apine maybr [20:02] fail :( [20:03] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] thank you is alpine [20:03] ;) [20:04] sinuhe (~sinuhe@199.227.49.182) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:07] dios_mio (test@88.241.142.100) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:08] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Quit: FSF Free Software Foundation [20:10] hellanio (~user@187.77.239.172) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:10] Anyone use autofs+sshfs? I get cryptic 'No such file or directory' after autofs tried to mount [20:10] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-179-165.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:15] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) joined ##slackware. [20:16] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:17] Weird [20:19] toytoy (~toytoy@unaffiliated/t0yt0y) joined ##slackware. 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[21:25] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-60-20.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:25] mmm feels good to just strait up remove kde from my system [21:28] Action: mtkoan agrees [21:29] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-21-94.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:30] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [21:30] Action: thrice` quite enjoys kde [21:30] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:31] reminds me too much of windows [21:31] procyonlabs (~randy@pool-173-69-175-97.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: I'm outta heeere... [21:32] :( in which sense? [21:32] fuck man my temporary trixbox fucked up [21:32] i think my logs got full (it's on a VPS) and maybe some db got messed up [21:33] thrice`: I think it's all the branded kdeapps that makes me think windows whenever I use it [21:34] they should use the droid line and say "There's a kapp for that" heh [21:34] oh, I only use windows at work, but it hardly has any apps by default [21:35] darkwurm, thrice uses McFlurryOS [21:35] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:35] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [21:36] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Client Quit [21:36] haha And here I thought only ronald mcdonald used that [21:36] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:36] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [21:37] jeev is a windows user, maybe he can help [21:37] for sure [21:37] windows > mcflurryOS [21:38] i use it for cool things, not what you use it for (punching in orders you hear from the drive thru) [21:38] i've seen linux pos systems too [21:38] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [21:39] zaltekk, thrice was behind mcflurryOS, he was the guy who gave the developers ice cream cones [21:39] they've gotta eat too [21:39] i dislike it when shit just breaks [21:39] http://www.trixbox.org/forums/trixbox-forums/help/internal-extensions-when-called-go-direct-voicemail [21:39] no reason why.. just a workaround [21:39] that's why i use manual freeswitch [21:39] thrice`: not until they meet their milestone [21:39] i guess mcflurryos could be okay if it comes in the oreo flavor [21:40] of course it comes [21:40] jeev: there's always a reason [21:41] i've seen many people complain, no solution [21:41] this bug could have cost me $20k [21:42] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@187.10.9.191) joined ##slackware. [21:42] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:42] spendy bug [21:43] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-21-94.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:45] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:46] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:46] really? that much? [21:46] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [21:46] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:50] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) joined ##slackware. [21:50] yea thumbs [21:50] i'm glad the owner is a great guy [21:51] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) left irc: Client Quit [21:51] Necos (~tessai@dynamic-oit-vapornet-c-91.Princeton.EDU) joined ##slackware. [21:51] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488FCC9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:52] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) joined ##slackware. [21:52] hmmm, anyone getting an "unable to add buddy 1" error with AIM/ICQ accounts in pidgin? [21:52] oh shit necos [21:52] you're alive [21:52] i _completely_ forgot about you [21:52] check the hostname :P [21:52] .gay [21:52] what are you doing in princeton [21:52] at [21:53] summer research program [21:53] lame [21:53] lets set up a server from there and spam [21:53] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [21:53] :P [21:54] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.27.27) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:54] working on hydrogen fuel cells [21:54] cool [21:55] apparently, there's going to be a big hydrogen fuel cell deployment as backups / extras for the california power grid [21:55] goj (~goj@p5488F3BB.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:55] went to a presentation about it today [21:55] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:56] Necos: I was just for a minute [21:56] when, in 35 years when we're all dead ? [21:56] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.28.141) joined ##slackware. [21:56] i don't plan on being dead in 35 years... [21:56] Necos: how bout we just convert all the way over to those cells and quit mincing about [21:56] necos: hah, you're right around the corner from me in NJ.. [21:56] zaltekk, i dont either but the way things are going in the world, with all the liars and conspiracies.. [21:57] oh. i thought you meant from age. [21:57] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-150.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:57] zaltekk, we're all a flotilla. we just wait our turn to be shot by those guys from helo's and then they'll just say we were packing heat.. it's that simple [21:58] Eh.. [21:58] lol mtkoan, really? [21:58] :> [21:59] jeev, it's being deployed now according to the presentation [21:59] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:59] is that why they want that bond ? [21:59] 3BN [21:59] mtkoan: you know where spelman hall is? :P [21:59] mtkoan, dont let necos lure you there [21:59] Yea, I live right outside Princeton, and work at the Local newspaper doing IT [21:59] oh word... :) [21:59] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [21:59] The Princeton Packet lol [22:00] roccity_ (~roccity_@202-154-154-229.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [22:00] come by and say hi sometime :P [22:00] he's luring you damnit [22:00] Haha [22:00] There is linux users group around here [22:00] I've been meaning to for awhile [22:00] he tried to lure me in in LA, thank god he went there [22:00] roccity_ (~roccity_@202-154-154-229.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:01] What dept/ building are you in? [22:02] irc stalking? [22:02] yea he loves irc men [22:02] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:03] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [22:04] Uh, yea [22:04] spartanVI (~spartan@c-71-56-81-37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:04] spartanVI (~spartan@c-71-56-81-37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:05] mrpwnage (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-wbnddjxsvarirlcx) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:05] mrpwnage (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-vuwjaysylxayylyp) joined ##slackware. [22:06] arcfide (~arcfide@adsl-99-14-209-54.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:06] mtkoan: chem eng. [22:06] jeev is a homophobe... don't mind him [22:07] i missed meeting raela tho last weekend, that kinda sucked >.<; [22:07] if he is a homophobe does that make you homosexual? [22:07] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:07] or are you stating random facts? :P [22:07] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) joined ##slackware. [22:07] nope, sorry to burst your bubble zaltekk... i'm just stating random facts :) [22:07] ggpig (~bort@pool-96-237-68-150.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:07] lol [22:08] necos: I worked at small world coffee in town for aobut ayear, they have excellent espresso [22:08] ivo_ (~strato@f048112178.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:09] oh, cool [22:09] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) left irc: Quit: gogie [22:09] mtkoan: my first time here... on the east coast even, i'm here for the REU program with the complex materials center [22:11] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:11] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:12] ggpig (~bort@pool-96-237-68-150.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:12] Nice.. princeton's a cool town.. we should meet up sometime and hack small world's wireless :P [22:12] hahaha [22:12] well, i'll be here til august 7th :P [22:13] I always wanted to ARP poisen that LAN [22:13] i'm planning to go to watch the phillies play the braves on the 5th tho, in philly :) [22:13] lol, they have pretty good net admins here actually [22:14] Yea, I heard princeton does [22:14] but the coffee shop is pretty meager [22:14] x-ip_ (~x-ip@host29.200-82-63.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:14] lol [22:14] they run a CoDeeN hub at Princeton http://codeen.cs.princeton.edu/ [22:15] I always wanted https access through there [22:15] i love their 24 hr, 7-11-type gig [22:15] the public only gets http [22:15] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [22:15] damn, i've never heard of this :) awesome [22:16] I randomly found it scannig proxy lists from the net.. yea that student center is pretty sweet [22:16] that's pretty fuckin sick! [22:16] Yea no kidding.. [22:17] i've only been here for about a week and a half, so i'm still learning the ins and outs of the place [22:18] kinda weird for a physicist to be working in the ChE lab, but that's how it worked out... we're actually doing some interesting physics experiments >.> [22:18] I bet is [22:18] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:19] sixx (~sixx@212.183.140.41) joined ##slackware. [22:19] *it is [22:20] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@unaffiliated/t0yt0y expired. [22:20] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@unaffiliated/t0yt0y' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [22:20] we just started a new experiment today to model how fuel orientation can affect chemical flows in the cell [22:20] hydrogen fuel cells? [22:20] yep [22:21] Its pretty awesome.. we need different energy.. or we're going to wipe humankind off the face of planet [22:21] some ChE nerd decided he wanted to do some modeling of the physics, and we get to actually run the experiment and collect data >.<; [22:22] we're pumping water thru a small opening, then seeing how far we have to tip the surface to get the water droplet to break off [22:22] and slide down [22:22] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [22:22] it's like playing with a snowball on the top of the hill and seeing if you can kill people with it :) [22:23] haha I don't really understand but sounds interesting [22:23] but a piece of bread on a cutting board, then tip the cutting board til the bread starts to slide [22:23] Bah, any of you here using KMail or KDE and know how to use KMail? [22:23] *put a piece [22:24] so what does that have to do with fuel cells? [22:24] arcfide: what is it you are trying to do, or want to achieve? [22:25] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@187.10.9.191) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [22:26] water droplets get pushed thru a material called the gas diffusion layer. the gdl is hydrophobic. [22:26] so once you push a water droplet thru the gdl, you want it to be drained out asap [22:27] but water droplets like to stick to whatever they're attached to [22:28] like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drop_%28liquid%29 [22:28] blaines (~blaines@75-171-126-219.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving... [22:28] so if you tip your surface, you can use gravity to pull the water droplet out of it's "hole", so to speak [22:29] hnh [22:30] look at the image at the top of the wikipedia article [22:30] sinuhe (~sinuhe@12.50.9.2) joined ##slackware. [22:30] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:30] see how the water droplet breaks from the faucet? [22:31] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [22:31] rirombo (~richard@pool-71-117-246-33.ptldor.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:31] if your water is going the other way (being pushed from the bottom, up), if you don't tip the surface, it'll just spread across, which would mean your fuel cell would just fill up with water and become useless [22:32] Ok, I get the concept of water moving, I just don't know how H fuel cells work at all [22:33] they're actually developing a different kind of fuel cell here at princeton [22:35] the concept is relatively simple... [22:36] take a hydrocarbon, hit it with a current to ionize the hydrogen, an electron pops off to due some work thru an external circuit, and then it combines with the hydrogen and some oxygen to form water [22:36] the problem is, if you can't get rid of at least some of the water produced, the cell will get flooded and no more useful work [22:37] so all you need is a certain kind of hyrdocarbon to power it? [22:37] and some initial current [22:38] yep [22:38] I need some of those for my computer hah [22:38] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:38] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:39] I hate knowing I'm killing the planet but I can't turn it off at the same time [22:39] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:39] davimint (~david@c-76-123-149-120.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:39] well, there are some pretty strange engineering issues that i'm not familiar with, but it's not needed for what i'm working on [22:40] well, hydrogen fuel cells are equally likely to kill us... the catalyst used for the reaction is platinum [22:40] :P [22:40] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-71-128.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:40] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [22:42] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_cell [22:43] BP{k}, I've been unable to tell KMail to stop checking my non-INBOX folders for new messages. [22:43] necos: pity [22:44] now, the fuel cells we're working on use pure hydrogen (like the ones in the wiki article), but the one i mention earlier is the early version of how the fuel cells worked [22:45] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-150.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:45] my other lab partners are working on a purification technique for extracting hydrogen from compounds [22:45] Action: BP{k} checks this is ## not #Chemistry or #OT :P [22:45] lol [22:46] no kidding. chem engs are worthless [22:46] BP{k}: just talking about what i'm playing with here at princeton [22:46] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:46] i'm not even a ChE... i'm a physicist damn it :P [22:46] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:46] maybe that's worse .. ;P [22:46] but they're letting me play with an interesting fluid mechanics problem in the ChE lab, so i'll do the work :) [22:47] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [22:47] davimint (~david@c-76-123-149-120.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:47] and i'm busting my ass to try and learn the necessary physics to try and predict the behavior of the water lol [22:48] anyone using autofs+sshfs ? [22:48] basically they're letting undergrads do the graduate student work (you know how it is in academia) [22:48] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:49] arcfide: hmm not sure about that. It's been quite a while since I actually used KMail. I use claws-mail these days. [22:49] kmail should have a setting for which folders it's checkin for mail, no? [22:49] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [22:49] maybe "not yet implimented," since kde4 is only a few years old :p [22:50] lol [22:51] Necos, you mean like mutt? [22:51] mutt++ [22:51] xovan: yeah :P [22:51] i use TB mostly [22:52] I tried, and I've failed to figure something out in all of the GUI settings. I'm probably going to send a message to the mailing lists next. [22:52] it seems to me most command line programs are better documented and understood than the gui ones [22:53] Necos, Well if it's kmail + imap, you can tell it what folders to check for new mail. [22:53] fire|bird: if it's POP, it'd only check the inbox anyway [22:54] so my guess is arcfide's problem is with IMAP [22:55] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:55] but he hasn't given that information yet :) [22:56] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-26.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:56] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:59] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [23:01] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:02] Dominian (dominian@about/linux/staff/dominian) left irc: Quit: rebootin' zee VPS for a kernel update [23:02] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:03] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:03] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [23:03] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [23:03] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) joined ##slackware. [23:06] sixx (~sixx@212.183.140.41) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:06] anyone still using alpine? [23:07] no :P [23:07] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:07] so what is the replacement for it? [23:08] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:08] i'd say getmail + mutt, but that's just me [23:09] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:09] ok both are old though [23:10] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:10] yeah [23:10] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-60-20.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [23:11] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:11] Dominian (dominian@about/linux/staff/dominian) joined ##slackware. [23:12] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [23:19] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:20] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:20] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [23:22] sbs` (~mfd@unaffiliated/sbs/x-6460670) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:25] i really wish they made clients that were full-featured liked TB for text-mode [23:25] but even mutt requires an MTA [23:28] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:28] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) left irc: Quit: mosno [23:28] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [23:31] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [23:32] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [23:36] rirombo (~richard@pool-71-117-246-33.ptldor.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: rirombo [23:36] Nick change: bgs100 -> bgs000 [23:37] taopunk_m (~taopunk@166.137.15.205) joined ##slackware. [23:38] taopunk_m (~taopunk@166.137.15.205) left irc: Client Quit [23:42] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:42] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:43] random irssi question, how do i join a channel in a new window? :) [23:43] jlarrew (~WallRat00@c-68-43-1-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:43] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:43] Necos, Hmm, tried /join? :) [23:45] i tried that, but it joined in the same window >.> [23:46] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [23:46] or did i do something wrong? >.> [23:46] that's what I do [23:46] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [23:46] i'm used to the /wj command in epic [23:46] hey guys [23:46] oh blah... [23:46] i think i know what i did... [23:46] Xgate: hi [23:47] heya Xgates [23:47] say I had originally on my box 2gb ram and today I upgraded it to 4gb but now when I open and close windows they lag, which I'm at a loss, because I figured things would be a bit snappier and on top of it I'm only running OpenBox [23:47] I have 4gb ram support in the kernel I compiled too [23:47] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@77.79.178.77.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [23:49] free -m ? [23:49] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:50] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [23:50] what is the output [23:50] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [23:50] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [23:51] free -m ----> http://pastebin.com/fPwMdiTF [23:51] free kevin! [23:51] it's like when I take the mousewheel and roll a window up or down you see the window kinda lag rolling up and the same if I minimize it too [23:52] it doesn't like snap up and down quickly [23:52] sinuhe (~sinuhe@12.50.9.2) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:53] thing is I'm using ATI drivers and I wonder if they have some sort of issue with high ram [23:54] I just noticed too when I load a website page too it lags a bit loading [23:54] errrr this is crap [23:54] this is the first and last ATI for me in Linux [23:55] ATI binary drivers are kinda evil [23:55] My ATI seriously bottlenecks my X Windows sessions [23:55] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:56] hmmm [23:56] Sure you have DRI working right? [23:56] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [23:56] well I got a mtrr bug without them [23:56] when I log out of X it complains about something being out of mtrr [23:59] hba (~hba@148.208.237.253) joined ##slackware. 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