[00:02] having just upgraded lappy-10-2-->13 and server-11.0-->13 I'm not [00:02] altogether happy with slk13 --- any comments? [00:02] inconnu: shoulda waited for 13.1 I guess, it's gonna be out in a matter of days [00:02] although I haven't had any problems with 13.0 [00:02] tnks [00:03] inconnu: sad panda day for you, I suppose [00:03] inconnu: did you do an "upgrade", or a clean install [00:03] oh, wait.. misread that as 'altogether unhappy' for some reason [00:03] clean - new mackines [00:03] kk [00:03] what problems are you having with 13? [00:04] wait again.. a, f'k't [00:04] I'll just toss a 'sucks to be you' quip in there & go do something else [00:04] flux now scrolls workspaces backwards [00:04] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:04] hmmm, dunno about that one, don't use flux [00:05] whatya use danc3 [00:05] xfce [00:05] might try it [00:05] it's excellent [00:06] tnx [00:06] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:07] Just out of curiosity, has anybody noticed a memory leak with KDE4 and slack64 13.0? [00:07] whens 13.1 coming out? [00:07] soon [00:07] Real Soon Now [00:08] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:09] are you guys like devs? [00:09] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:09] no, we are nothing like devs [00:09] not even close [00:09] we're Slackers [00:09] do you help with making slack? [00:10] not really [00:10] nice, I like that clarification... I'll remember that [00:10] some in here do, though [00:10] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.165) joined ##slackware. [00:11] Action: alphageek points fingers at random people [00:11] alphageek, how do you do that? [00:11] most of us have a few scripts, progz or whatever to make installs, etc rub a little smoother [00:11] /me points fingers at random people [00:11] ^ like so [00:12] aww what does this mean??? [00:12] Kernel panic - not syncing: out of memory and no killable processes [00:12] rub==run [00:12] do I need to give it more ram? [00:13] thats when I'm actually installing slackware [00:13] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [00:13] Action: keenken doesn't know why he likes slackware... but he's determined to install it [00:14] hmm.. a quick google shows that being mentioned quite often in ubuntu circles [00:14] eh, did you create a swap partition? [00:14] I take it this machine had ubuntu on it previously? [00:14] alphageek, yes it did [00:14] if so, it's likely leftover bits of grub (the bootloader they use) getting confused & going boom [00:14] how to fix? dunno [00:15] if so, did you use the "add swap" menu option in the installer? [00:15] unclean system! burn it! [00:15] eh, sorry, talking to you, keenken [00:15] alphageek: he can use dd to overwrite the boot sector if he's careful :) [00:15] Action: Urchlay gets the torches & pitchforks [00:15] nerftanion (~Sysadmin@207.177.80.37) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:15] urchlay, yes I did that I believe. [00:15] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-164-126.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:15] very careful, yes. first 446 bytes only [00:16] urchlay, its in virtualbox that i'm creating it .... i have 1g swap 11gig hdd [00:16] how big should my swap be? [00:16] keenken: also, did you maybe forget to set your root partition you're going to install to? that'll result in it trying to install into the ramdisk (which will cause it to run out of memory pretty quick) [00:16] 1G of swap is plenty, if that's what you just said [00:17] Urchlay, yes I did. wait is that when you set type to 83? [00:17] or was I suppose to name it / or something like that [00:17] you set the type in fdisk or cfdisk [00:17] cfdisk [00:17] made it then i set type [00:17] i set it to bootable [00:17] then i wrote it [00:17] mark it bootable too [00:17] after you do that, you run "setup" and set your target partition(s) [00:18] setup in cfdisk? [00:18] no, from the # prompt. Did you not get that far? [00:18] keenken, did you set up lilo to "write" to the virtual mbr on that virtual disk? [00:18] back up a step [00:18] oh yes i did [00:18] sorry [00:18] here give me asecond [00:18] I assume you're using lilo [00:18] I'm going to redo everything [00:18] wiping clean & starting over? [00:19] am I suppose to put lilo in it before I install all software? [00:19] yes:) [00:19] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Timeout ( 0 Seconds ) [00:19] ok, once you're in setup, you have an option like "set target partition", you pick that (and choose the partition you made type 83 there) before you actually start installing [00:19] re lilo: no. but you have to keep a few things straight. [00:19] the other day, I forgot to do that, and ended up installing into the ramdisk, ran out of memory, which is why it's fresh in my mind :) [00:20] hmm.. I'll step back & let the others carry on. getting help from multiple directions at once is no help at all [00:20] do I make my swap logical & my 83 type primary? [00:20] Action: alphageek & [00:20] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:21] alphageek, do i make my swap logical & my root primary? [00:21] or both primary? [00:21] you can do whatever you want [00:21] what do you recommend? [00:21] my personal preference is to have swap as the first primary & my root partition as second primary [00:22] swap is 82 [00:22] I'd put the swap at the end [00:22] some folks like going whole hog & splitting /boot, /home, /var & whatnot into separate partitions. I've never seen the need for my setup [00:23] The only time I split /boot out is when it is encrypted or raid [00:23] antiwire: technically speaking, putting swap at the beginning of a drive is (microscopically, these days) faster [00:23] should root(83) be bootable? [00:24] MrHales (~MrHales@12.166.25.238) left irc: Quit: http://wwandi.com -- A whole new world waiting for you to create it [00:24] it used to be a noticable issue not too many years ago.. slower drives [00:24] alphageek, i'm going to remember that [00:24] keenken: assuming slack is the only thing on the drive, keep it simple: no partitions marked bootable, install lilo to the mbr [00:24] alright thanks [00:25] btw, question before you get too far [00:25] hmm? [00:25] couple, actually.. is this being done in a virtual machine or a 'real' machine? [00:26] virtual machine [00:26] oh you know what... my hdd is dynamically set [00:26] are you reusing the disk image from before or did you delete it & create a new one from scratch? [00:26] do you think that's why it ran out of memory? [00:26] scratch [00:26] no.. I'm getting to taht [00:26] k [00:26] but it's dynamic and it grows as it is being used... [00:26] then you should be all set [00:27] inconnu (1000@69-165-217-79.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs) [00:27] the reason I brought this up is if you were reusing the disk (virtual or real) without giving at least the first few megs a null wipe, you'd likely get that kernel panic again. all because of leftovers from the previous installs confusing the issue [00:28] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:28] alright now i'm in setup [00:28] should I go to add swap? [00:28] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:29] you've already set up your partitions? [00:29] you may have mentioned it, but digging through scrollback is a pita [00:29] i have [00:29] k, start with 'ADD SWAP' [00:30] now it's scanning for a slackware disk [00:30] alright now I have a full installation going... hopefully it works now [00:30] troy (~troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [00:31] karuna (~karuna@dsl-239-38.melsa.net.id) joined ##slackware. [00:32] troy (~troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [00:32] yay! ktorrent is finally stable after switching to 4.0rc1! [00:32] \o/ [00:33] no more checking every few hours to see if it's still running! [00:33] Action: troy does happy dance some more [00:34] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:35] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [00:35] troy: just think, you'll be able to stress test it in the next N days :) [00:35] ViN86 (~ViN86@SYDNEYPACIFIC-SEVEN-THIRTY-EIGHT.MIT.EDU) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:37] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-185-76.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:37] alphageek, i just installed the packets.... now when i get back to root and i type in setup, it says that [00:37] partitions can't be found and should be made with cfdisk... [00:38] then when I try to go back isetup... it auto kills it(killed) [00:38] that's obviously not normal [00:38] alright I just go into it and went to configure the linux system.... [00:38] I can only assume it's some artifact of doing things in a virtual machine [00:39] then it went to kernel panic - not synching: out of memory again... [00:39] 11GB hdd 1GB swap [00:39] definitely not normal [00:39] again, back to my assumption [00:39] nooooooooooooo [00:39] i wanted slackware so badly [00:40] i've wasted a day of my life [00:40] must it be in a vm? [00:40] yes [00:40] nothing's ever wasted. consider it a hurdle to get past [00:40] alright, i will [00:41] thanks [00:41] you can only imagine the fun I had when I brought my shiny new netbook home just over a month ago only to find both wired & wireless networking did not work out of the box. kernel's too old in slack 13.0 [00:42] wow really? [00:42] being rather ocd on such matters, it took me a few days of testing to build proper & updated kernel packages suitable for it [00:42] yep [00:42] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-185-76.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:43] that just sounds weird... I thought it would be updated [00:43] user2438 (~user45925@adsl-76-235-37-216.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:43] is kernel getting updated in 13.1 [00:44] Linux server02 2.6.33.4-SRV #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun May 16 09:36:13 PDT 2010 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7100 @ 1.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [00:44] asus eeepc 1001p. it uses ath9k for wireless (even though it's not an 'n' card) & atl1c for wired [00:44] I use ath9k for my laptop's BGN card [00:44] unless something truely awe inspiring occurs, 13.1 will ship with kernel 2.6.33.4 [00:45] antiwire: note what I put in parentheses [00:45] that new? [00:45] are netbooks worth it? [00:45] depends what you're after [00:45] I'm well aware of what you put in parentheses. [00:45] for me, definitely [00:45] is it just e-mail & web browsing? [00:45] I didn't say anything about your card [00:46] keenken: my eeepc has only slightly less 'oomph' than my desktop (desktop is using an athlon xp-m 2400+ w/ 1.5gb ram) [00:47] i think netbooks would really do good on linux systems hence low resource requirements... and all software being [00:47] installed through cloude [00:47] cloud* [00:47] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:47] I'm doing some tests in preparation for 13.1's release. as a somewhat useless (to others) benchmark, my netbook can generate the 13.0 sligdo filesets in about 2x the time it takes the desktop. to me, that's pretty awesome [00:48] karuna (~karuna@dsl-239-38.melsa.net.id) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:48] really? [00:48] verynice [00:48] beats desktop? is your desktop a piece? [00:48] or is netbooks that awesome? [00:48] note I said '2x the time' not '2x times faster' [00:49] 2x? [00:49] aka: netbook takes twice as long as the desktop [00:49] thought that what it means [00:49] oic [00:49] I was expecting it to be much much slower [00:49] ahah [00:49] actually, even that figure is wrong [00:50] really? [00:50] generating the sligdo filesets for 13.0's _cd_ images took my desktop 8m31.603s. the netbook did the same in 12m43.092s [00:50] psYcker (~psYcker@201.164.207.191) joined ##slackware. [00:50] how much did you spend on a netbook? [00:50] i can't believe people are buying ipads when there's netbooks ahhaha [00:51] that puts the netbook at almost exactly 2/3rds the speed of the desktop for those [00:51] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:51] oh very n ice [00:52] bleh. those figures are for the dvd images. waiting on cd images as we speak [00:52] Action: alphageek is getting a bit turned around :) [00:52] are u dling at same time? [00:52] you probably shouldn't... wouldn't they split bandwidth [00:53] no. the machine doing timing tests is as idle as possible.. otherwise the results would be skewed [00:54] alpha [00:54] you should of got an ipad [00:54] good god, why? [00:54] what were you thinking... [00:55] joking... that thing looks so retarded... [00:55] i don't think I could take someone serious with one... [00:55] I want a machine I can do work on & with, not some shiny thing for 'consuming' what the great Jobs will let me [00:55] ahahah [00:56] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:56] did you see his little speech on it? [00:56] thankfully, no [00:56] about laying back and reading news papers... [00:56] wow... you could tell he knew his product was horrid... but people still bought it for some reason... [00:57] to me, the ipad is like nike branded stuff in the 80's. all the cool kids had them. having them _made_ them the cool kids. *larf* [00:57] i like nikes [00:57] ... but not like that [00:57] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:57] to tell you the truth, i don't like anything the average person is doing.... i just feel stupid if i'm doing it.. [00:57] ok, we have final figures on the sligdo tests [00:58] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [00:58] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:58] ( 100 * netbook time / desktop time ) = percentage [00:58] 67% for dvds, 75% for cds [00:58] seems about right. [00:58] so yeah, I'm seriously impressed [00:59] now you can get an evo 4g and get a mobile hotspot for you netbook [01:00] I find it rather ironic that there's at least 1 movie I have (in .mov format, of all things) that the netbook can play back with no problems. that same movie lags & stutters on the desktop [01:00] naww [01:00] I don't do fancy stuff [01:00] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [01:00] truth be told, this netbook is the first _new_ (complete) computer that I've purchased since the late 80's [01:01] really? [01:01] jeez [01:01] oh [01:01] everything else has been combinations of hand-me-downs & new parts (to replace the inevitable dead bits) [01:01] hand-made PC's beat everyrhing sold "assambled" by many vendors [01:01] which includes this very desktop [01:01] e^ [01:01] nice [01:02] i just bought my desktop [01:02] $500 refurb [01:02] oh [01:02] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [01:02] 2.5 GHz quad w/ 8 gigs of ram. [01:02] im usually assemble stuff by my hands. both servers, wks and routers [01:02] the only 'new' stuff in my desktop is the data drive & 2 cooling fans [01:02] brbrbr, nice [01:02] keenken: slick [01:02] sure. cooling fans need replacements about per-year [01:03] :) [01:04] keenken i have simply no options. most vendors don't have configurations what i need, have ridiculous warranty policy and/or have funny prices. let alone human factor[most PC compaines salesmans are jerks] [01:04] you must buy crap fans or live somewhere really dusty :) [01:04] sometimes some vendors improve things. but a bit and not for long, sadly [01:04] antec tricools in this machine [01:04] 1 each of 80mm (case rear) & 92mm (cpu cooler) [01:05] i hope they perform well [01:05] also found nice new Noise Killer fans [01:05] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:06] true [01:06] depend case. for example, most Cooler Master cases realy on fans 2 proper Airflow heavily [01:06] TT and Ascot less power-prone [01:06] and inWin or Chieftek are old-skool engineered things [01:06] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:07] and etc and etc. so "in short" this depend overall [assembled]system [01:07] for example recently bought 4-x-core CPu request switching 2 tower-style CPU fan and switching to 120 mm fans on rear and front panel [01:08] from notorious 92 mm ones [01:08] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-164-126.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:09] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:09] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:09] Action: alphageek wanders off to have a smoke, then he'll touch on the 'are netbooks worth it?' question (with seriousness, no flames) when he returns [01:10] nice [01:10] I want to build a modded comp [01:10] brbrbr, what os do you run on your comp? [01:13] keenken plenty of oses. this time its debian L-UX. [01:13] there we go. successfully shortened my life by another day [01:13] most funniest is Plan9 and Minix ;P [01:13] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:13] also interesting NetBSD and OpenBSD ) [01:14] what? no QNX? lazy [01:14] also plan to deploy kFreeBSD-based Debian Squeezy [01:14] QNX ? no. for same reasons why no OS/2 ;) [01:14] but isn't bad os for [commercial]usage [01:14] in fact i like QNX [01:15] but less than Cisco systems ) [01:15] let alone cost of it) [01:15] Tidus (~tidus@173-22-54-44.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [01:15] Tidus (~tidus@173-22-54-44.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Changing host [01:15] Tidus (~tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [01:15] I played with the QNX demo floppy back about 10 years ago. oddly enough, it reminded me feel-wise of OS-9 (not mac stuff) [01:15] -) [01:16] recently saw Ultrix virtual machine ) [01:16] Tidus (~tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: Client Quit [01:16] fired under QEMU if i remeber right [01:16] ok, on to the 'are netbooks worth it?' spiel :) [01:17] netbooks are 1st "true personal competer"-aware thingies [01:17] My netbook is worth it, but mainly for battery life [01:17] first up, it's definitely a matter of preference. I wanted a portable machine that's actually _portable_ yet is still capable of doing almost everything my desktop can do [01:17] tablet variations are can become alot more usability-friendly. and [marginally]less more costly [01:18] thats why i like 7'' netbooks. not huge 9'' or 12'' mostrosities ) [01:18] before I bought the netbook, I used a Toshiba Satellite A20 laptop. yet another in the list of hand-me-downs [01:18] in backpack in hands, you can carry it EVERYWHERE [01:18] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet. [01:18] bigass suitcase of a thing, display is easily readable, but only goes to 1024x768 [01:18] Tidus (~tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [01:19] & the A20 is a p4/2.66. aka: 32 bit only [01:19] its matter of time and mass-production. for netbooks to evolve. [01:19] I've been saving up & constantly reading about netbooks for over a year [01:19] I needed a portable with battery life, decent keyboard. For use on site setups/ [01:20] notebooks cant move up. cause targeted to narrow market and not intentded to be [mass-product]by design [01:20] I got an Aus and it was a good investment [01:20] when Intel came out with the Atom N450, I was very impressed. hyperthreading, yadda yadda, 32 bit, 64 bit. all good [01:20] bigpaws depend L&F :) from HP LH to ASUS 6xx series ;) [01:20] also MSI had funny little netbooks) [01:21] Asus 1005Ha is what I went with [01:21] Sony ones are ridiculous priced. far beyone [outstanding]more capable corporate targeted HP netbooks [01:21] 1005 is too big in my sense/use. but otherwise ok [01:21] so now I have a portable machine that's about the size of a hard cover book, weighs about the same, gets 6+ hours on its battery (haven't tweaked it to get more. coming soon), gives me the choice of running slack 32 or 64 (32 for now), plays some of my lesser games [01:22] ie: World Of Goo, Tribes 2 (with minimum settings) [01:22] AMD Cpu and amd gpu based netbooks Far more gaming-capable, usually [01:23] skype works on it flawlessly now that I've hacked up an appropriate ~/.asoundrc to present the stereo microphones (!) as mono [01:23] & on & on [01:23] except some "nearly as notebook" netbooks with notebook GFX chips [01:23] so, yeah.. a netbook is definitely worth it to me :) [01:23] battery is weak spot of many netbooks [01:23] so much so that I gave my toshiba laptop to my gf [01:24] so buy with extended if thats matter THAT MUCH for you [01:24] is that a knetbook or a gnetbook? 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[01:24] mips and arm netbooks another point [01:24] when the battery eventually dies in my netbook, I plan on tearing the battery pack open & replacing the cells with newer tech [01:25] oh, only if you have experience and accuracy 4 it) [01:25] LiPo ftw! same charge characteristics as LiOn, but.. better [01:25] I was looking for an ARM based netbook [01:25] the netbook i'm planning on is an HP Mini based off the nvidia ion chipset [01:25] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-186.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [01:25] atom n330 with nvidia 9400m graphics [01:25] shortened li-ion batteries can cause serious injuries [01:25] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:26] lithium-anything batteries can. gram for gram, they pack more punch than hand grenades [01:26] the only way I can think of to "shorten" a battery is with a hacksaw, highly not-recommended! [01:26] snapdragon-based netbooks ? [01:26] or EMTEC-shipped chineese MIPS-based [prices start from $150 ;] [01:27] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-7.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [01:27] could be worse, you could be wearing an unlicensed nuclear reactor on your back [01:27] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [01:27] hm, to short bat, you "only" need mismanage chip sometimes. point is to know battery construction Before touch it [01:28] Urchlay nah, decades ago, anyone have nuke-powered cellphones in pocket. mind my words ;) [01:28] p.s. even marines ;) [01:29] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:29] note: termoelectric[read nuke-powered]batteries for notebooks are present on market, but cost ridiculous sums for ordinary customers [01:30] but for high-autonomity-usage its worth gold of their weight [01:30] you mean they run on what, plutonium? (cold fusion's still science fiction, right?) [01:30] Mr. Fusion - the pocket version [01:30] or Mr. Fusion - Pocket Edition [01:31] Action: alphageek wants a Mr. Fusion [01:31] usually they[including orbital ones]on artificial Plutonium isotope [01:32] with all the tea I drink, I'd keep the house (nay, the _neighbourhood_) powered up indefinitely [01:32] most supplier[until Bush administration invested to expanding US production] is Russia nowdays [01:33] alphageek you use bicycle-based power generator or just heat neighbour warm by emiting delta-sigma-bosons ? [01:33] that was referring to having a Mr. Fusion [01:33] with all the caffeine i consume i'd keep a small town powered up for a while [01:34] I'd just pee in the silly thing :) [01:34] so sad i can't counter that [01:34] haha [01:34] oh wait ! with all my hunger i have, i can eat small black hole ! [and save Earth thus, maybe] [01:35] xsamurai (~takamata@75.85.164.183) joined ##slackware. [01:35] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. 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[02:02] Action: alphageek returns [02:02] aww, he left [02:02] I was going to ask about that mod [02:04] jhw (~jhw@p57982A28.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:04] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:05] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:08] It's gonna be kewl when Clang is rolled into Linux [02:09] tallship: elaborate [02:10] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: Quit: .. [02:10] http://northtech.us/content/20100417/bleeding-edge-new-frontier-clangalang-clang-clang-bsd [02:10] user2438 (~user45925@adsl-76-235-37-216.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:14] tallship: that's a *long* path to the future [02:15] Yeah, but I'm running ClangBSD on one of my beater boxes now. Kinda weird, but kewl. [02:15] tallship: how different is it from freebsd? [02:15] It's the same. [02:15] Except your using clang instead of GCC [02:15] tallship: just with a different core compiler [02:15] cybErpunk (~davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Quit: senate/irc:0.1b -- by cyberpunk.. [02:16] yup [02:16] tallship: what happened to freebsd's old cc? [02:17] ariarat (~root@94.182.46.19) joined ##slackware. [02:17] jewbacca: freebsd uses gcc [02:17] troy: it didn't always [02:17] fred: or do you mean *old* [02:17] ClangBSD is just another spin of FreeBSD, but using Clang and GCC [02:17] oops - instead of GCC, rather [02:17] now why did it nick-complete to f instead of j... they aren't even on the same hand... [02:18] Action: troy decides to take it as a sign that it's time to sleep [02:18] troy: not sure [02:18] troy: at one point, freebsd just used to be 4.4bsdlite [02:18] with a free kernel [02:18] Action: troy wonders how many more months (years) until we can compile linux, or use linux with a non-gnu toolchain [02:18] Before that it was NetBSD ;) [02:18] Action: troy kicks RMS while he's down [02:19] tallship: no, before that, it was just bsd unix [02:19] yeah, they all have the same root [02:19] do you know how can i manage fans speed ? [02:19] night folks [02:19] troy (~troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:19] im on a hp dv5 laptop =P [02:19] I ran Jolix for a while - tried to - that led to SLS [02:23] juan, firstly, not all laptops allow fan control. secondly, do you have the "fan" module (or did you compile it in)? [02:23] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:24] mancha: yes i have it [02:24] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:27] does the hp allow user fan control? [02:28] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:28] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:29] interestingly enough, I noticed fan.ko not being loaded on my eeepc. manually loaded it for the hell of it & saw that /proc/acpi/fan/ now exists, but is empty [02:29] ergo, no fan control for me. not that I'll miss it [02:29] :) my solution was to buy a computer that does not have a noisy fan [02:29] yep [02:30] after 5 years of noise terror from a t43 [02:30] it took me a while to convince myself this eeepc even _has_ a fan, let alone an hd. can't hear them no matter how hard I make the machine work [02:30] mancha: no idea [02:30] the eeepc is cute though, even without fan control [02:30] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-091-096-101-108.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [02:30] indeed [02:31] Action: alphageek hugs his eeepc & calls it george [02:31] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-185-76.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:31] as in curious? [02:31] cute as a button :3 [02:31] i want that fans run at full speed actually, this get hotter than hell and turns off when its too hot :S [02:32] if you're triggering an emergency shutdown then something is wrong. maybe the fan assembly is defective or else the ducts are dirty as hell. [02:33] sukaeto (~sukaeto@host75-54.student.udel.edu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:33] if still under warranty i'd send it to HP. how old is this? [02:33] sukaeto (~sukaeto@host75-54.student.udel.edu) joined ##slackware. [02:34] mancha: could be, but i can't see that, the other day i take off all the (screws?) and i can't dissasemble it :S [02:34] Action: alphageek sits back down [02:35] have you tried shooting compressed air into the fan exhausts? [02:35] mancha: actually this is a warranty machine, the other one died "burned" xD [02:35] yeah, definitely sounds like the cooling hardware is clogged (re: runs hot & powers down under heavy load) [02:35] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:35] I had that going on with my toshiba satellite a20 for the longest time [02:36] when I decommissioned it (after getting the netbook, woot), I decided to rip it apart to see what's what [02:37] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:37] the cooling setup is surprisingly easy to reach on that model. 4 panel screws, 2 heatsink screws, 2 fan screws & it all comes out [02:37] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:37] turns out there was a ~1/8th thick coating of dust & fuzz blocking the fan side of the heatsink's cooking vanes. it peeled off like a piece of loose felt [02:38] i take off like 30 screws and i can't take off the mmm i don't know the word xD [02:38] what make/model? [02:39] alpha yes i've peeled those off. have you seen cases when the user is a smoker? amazing shit collects in there... [02:39] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:39] xsamurai (~takamata@75.85.164.183) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:39] mancha: indeed [02:39] that's why I no longer smoke near the computers. that & my gf won't let me smoke in the house :) [02:39] juan, a few comment...have you checked if hp has an updated bios for your machine? maybe it is a bios problem. if it is HW it could be filth or it could be damaged fan, thermostat, bad adhesion to cpu (thermal paste), etc... [02:39] Action: alphageek is, indeed, whipped [02:40] the case, i can't take off the case, don't know why :S [02:40] Action: alphageek searches through scrollback [02:41] juan--d-_-b: hp pavillion dv5? [02:41] alphageek: yes [02:41] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:42] Action: alphageek consults the mighty google [02:42] http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Hardware/HP-Pavillion-dv5-High-Temperatures/m-p/12541 < does that properly describe what you're experiencing? [02:44] http://images.topix.com/gallery/up-VHKI3QS6FFI3LKNC.jpg [02:44] omg [02:45] alphageek: yes, but i can't dissasemble it, i get to a parte where i take off all the screws i can see and the case don't get off :P [02:46] mancha: http://images.topix.com/gallery/up-VHKI3QS6FFI3LKNC.jpg <-- lool [02:47] juan--d-_-b: http://www.book-lab.ru/pdf/hp/service-manual-HP-Pavilion-dv5.pdf < disassembly instructions start at about page 44 [02:47] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:47] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [02:48] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-231.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:48] alphageek: :O thanks, its hard when your english sux, and that sort of things doesn't exist in spanish many times, so to me its hard to find =P [02:48] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:48] TehRabbitt-1 (~root@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:48] any one know if a slackbuild exists for wpa_supplicant for 13.1? [02:49] can you check slackbuilds.org TehRabbitt-1 ? [02:49] i've found a few for 13.0 but none for 13.1 as of yet [02:49] ah aight [02:49] (didn't know that existed) [02:49] oh, why can't you use the one for 13.0, TehRabbitt-1 ? [02:49] there is no 13.1 [02:49] TehRabbitt-1: um. wpa_supplicant ships with slackware [02:49] the plot thickens [02:49] the game is find all the wrong things in terabbitt's comment... [02:49] the slackbuild is part of slackware source/ directory [02:50] hm... the WPA tool that KDE has says that it's not installed :-\ lol [02:50] wpa_gui [02:50] wpa_gui is part of wpa_supplicant [02:51] ho [02:51] "could not get status from wpa_supplicant" [02:51] juan--d-_-b: if you do end up taking the machine apart, make sure you have either some heat sink compound or heat sink tape. in order to clean the cooler, you'll have to remove it from the cpu. doing that will also make it necessary to clean off the old compound/tape [02:51] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [02:51] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@97.103.10.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:51] slackin kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: slackin, you've been warned *repeatedly* about that spambot, er, pugbot shit. [02:52] & I'm quite impressed at how HP makes disassembling their laptops as complicated as possible [02:52] alphageek, i've taken many HP's apart :-\ they are really a pain sometimes [02:52] that's a non-trivial operation....too little compound and you don't fill the micro bumps...too much and you inhibit proper conduction [02:52] alphageek: mmm [02:52] though the Compaq/HP N620 (what i'm using right now) isn't so bad suprisingly haha [02:52] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:53] alphageek, haha, no doubt, iirc there's only 17 screws, just to get the case off on mine. [02:53] mancha, Best amount to use is .5 grams [02:53] (half a gram) [02:53] that's why I was so pleasantly surprised with the toshiba. 4 screws for the cover on the cooling hardware, 4 for the cooling hardware itself. I didn't have to rip the machine down into tiny pieces [02:53] if it is a fan assembly problem my money is on dirty coils which don't require new compound... [02:53] toshiba == amazing :-D I like toshibas lol [02:54] i take off like 24 screws and can't get the case off xD [02:54] mancha, sometimes it's easier to clean the coils once you take them out though, which requires breaking the bond between the CPU and the heatsink [02:54] id' also research bios upgrades. i recall many stories of bad bioses making fans do nonsense [02:55] juan--d-_-b, don't be suprised if there's like, hidden screws, or clips that you need to GENTLY unclip [02:55] HP is famous for clips [02:55] and if you break them you're kinda SOL [02:55] lol, yeah...for my t43, ibm released a fix for the fan, but it was discovered by hackers that they screwed up the update and made it worse...that was the last update [02:55] HP 6000 series.... Fan issues [02:55] alphageek, If I ever need to replace the dvd drive on mine though, easy as can be, that's only one screw. :) [02:55] eek, so you were left with a t43 with a shitbios?? [02:55] just a noisy computer [02:55] TehRabbitt-1: :S [02:55] if it's in the 6000 series the fan just "quits" randomly and lets the GPU overheat [02:56] yeap.. [02:56] juan--d-_-b, what model HP do you have? the EXACT model [02:56] my HP is zv6000 [02:56] for instance "us6201" or something like that [02:56] should be on the bottom sticker [02:56] I might be able to find you a PDF disassembly manual [02:57] TehRabbitt-1: mmm wait a minute i search =P [02:57] no no trust me lol i know exactly where to get them haha [02:57] what model HP laptop? [02:57] mancha: i can't download the pdf :P [02:57] what pdf? [02:57] i'll get you the *right* manual for the job [02:57] if they made one (which HP usually does) [02:57] lol [02:58] juan--d-_-b, type your model number into this site: http://www.eserviceinfo.com/ [02:58] hit search and see what comes up [02:58] you'll need BOTH zip files or sometimes even 3 [02:59] mancha: ummm that was for alphageek =P [02:59] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:59] lol [03:00] so anyone have any ideas on how to get wpa_supplicant working? [03:00] it doesn't show my adapter in the dropdown, nothing.... though when I run lspci it shows up [03:00] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:00] iceheart (0@120.195.169.173) joined ##slackware. [03:00] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [03:00] iceheart kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using IRC as root is dangerous. Please reference "Using IRC as root" via google for further information. [03:01] 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. Atheros AR5001X+ Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) [03:01] TehRabbitt-1: dv5-1022la, lets see =P [03:01] aight lemme look [03:02] that can't be the right model #.... [03:02] what's the series number? [03:02] dv5000? [03:03] codename_nos (~codename_@117.198.173.176) joined ##slackware. [03:03] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [03:03] TehRabbitt-1: no, dv5, dv5 was the previous series if im not wrong [03:03] TehRabbitt-1: no, dv5, dv5000 was the previous series if im not wrong [03:03] =P [03:04] hrmm, i hate apps that link to the versioned .so which makes it break when you upgrade library [03:04] juan--d-_-b, not sure if this is similar to yours but it might help: http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c01550108.pdf [03:05] hold on [03:05] ##slackware: mode change '+o phrag' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [03:05] how to add Linux partition on lilo [03:05] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [03:05] Topic changed on ##slackware by phrag!phrag@about/slackware/phrag: Guidelines: http://is.gd/bYfOG | Public Channel Logs: http://is.gd/bYfRK | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | http://gallery.slackadelic.com | Slackware 13.0 Released August 26 2009 | Torrent: http://is.gd/bYfM0 | Security: irssi, fetchmail | Slackware 13.1 RC1 Released! [03:05] ##slackware: mode change '-o phrag' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [03:06] TehRabbitt-1: lets see :) [03:06] i m using dual booting ubuntu with slackware [03:06] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.165) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:06] wait... [03:07] juan--d-_-b, I got the right one hold on [03:07] juan--d-_-b, Enjoy: http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c01550108.pdf [03:07] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-7.dial.telus.net) left ##slackware. [03:07] TehRabbitt-1: thanks \o/ [03:07] that should give you a step by step instruction :-D [03:07] taking apart AND putting back together [03:07] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:07] TehRabbitt-1: looks like is the same link, no ? [03:08] nope [03:08] might be the same "PDF" for both hp laptops since they were both the same series [03:08] but this is the link specifically for yours [03:09] can someone help me figure wpa_supplicant out so I can go wireless with this thing rather than sitting here awkwardly on the floor lol [03:10] 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. Atheros AR5001X+ Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) [03:11] oddly, I have the same card [03:11] Urchlay, Cisco card? lol [03:11] lspci|grep ath # you should see an ath5k module loaded already [03:12] well, netgear, which cisco bought out, no? [03:12] the module isn't loaded [03:12] :-\ [03:12] wait.... [03:12] cisco didn't buy netgear, they bought linksys [03:12] eh, right [03:12] TehRabbitt-1: thanks =D [03:12] lol i was like wait what?!?!? [03:12] I can't keep track of who's buying who [03:12] juan--d-_-b, no problem :-D [03:12] Urchlay, yea i know... [03:13] Urchlay, it's like K-mart is now part of sears haha [03:13] TehRabbitt-1: im reading it, but it looks very hard xD [03:13] juan--d-_-b, Just follow it step-by-step and you can't mess it up [03:13] but im going to try tomorrow :D [03:13] anyway. Module should have gotten loaded. If not, try "modprobe ath5k" (if that works, put that in /etc/rc.d/rc.modules) [03:13] juan--d-_-b, it looks complicated yes, but it is.... hence why take it step by step and be careful not to skip over anything [03:13] Urchlay, aight lemme try [03:13] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:14] nope still nothing [03:14] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:14] I do see a wlan0 device though when i ifconfig -a [03:14] heh, I gave you a bad command above. Should have been: lsmod | grep ath [03:14] _marc` (~marc@i577B50D8.versanet.de) joined ##slackware. [03:14] ah lol [03:14] yep i see it there.. [03:15] so why won't it show up in the wpa_cfg tool? [03:15] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:15] err wpa_gui [03:15] sorry lol [03:15] that, I know not [03:15] just says "could not get status from wpa_supplicant' [03:16] that would be because wpa_supplicant isn't running, right? [03:16] i suppose... hm [03:16] TehRabbitt-1: yes, im going to try tomorrow with day light, its 2am here =P [03:16] your LAN using crypto? [03:16] TehRabbitt-1: not to sound anal, but 'lol' is not punctuation. could you please stop using it as such? [03:16] alphageek, sorry habit [03:16] the interface has to be setted up I think [03:17] Urchlay, what do you mean? wirelessly == WPA personal [03:17] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:17] hey palets|reevokes [03:17] err Urchlay [03:17] right, WPA = encrypted [03:17] hey, looting|trill [03:17] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [03:17] Urchlay, so i'm guessing perhaps wpa_supplicant isn't configured / set to load automatically in my case? [03:18] the config i'm guessing is what the GUI is for... [03:18] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:18] TehRabbitt-1: it's not configured (you gotta edit /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf) and not running (/etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf, WLAN_WPA[1]="wpa_supplicant" or similar) [03:18] actually you'll need IFNAME[1]="ath0" if you already have eth0 defined in there [03:19] try using wicd - it's in extra/ [03:19] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:19] what's wicd? [03:19] I didn't tell him to use wicd because I've never touched it, can't give any advice on it... if you can, take over :) [03:19] lol [03:19] I use it all of the time - works great [03:20] still has some shakedowns it's working on, but for general connectivity works great [03:20] alisonken1noc, how do I use it? where do i find it lol [03:20] TehRabbitt-1: ok, the way I'm telling you, is the hard way I guess. alisonken1noc is about to tell you the easy way [03:21] TehRabbitt, like I said - look in the extra/ directory of the slackware cd/dvd - installpkg wicd*.txz [03:21] aight hold on [03:21] wicd is the networkmanager of slackware. [03:21] (I still like doing by editing /etc config files, if only because I know where they are and I can back them up easily) [03:21] read the instructions since every user that will be using wicd needs to be added to the netdev group ( I think it's netdev, read the notes) [03:22] which one is the extra folder? [03:22] Urchlay, wicd is best for a laptop, since it enables easy roaming. [03:22] which letter(s) [03:22] the daemon runs in the background, then there's wicd-client and wicd-curses (For terminal) that's used for looking at network and wireless connectivity [03:22] :O dio die yesterday [03:22] TehRabbitt, there's a directory called "extra/" on the cd/dvd [03:22] i'm running -current [03:22] :-\ [03:22] in that directory, you'll see "wicd-...." [03:22] Urchlay, for devices that only use one wifi constantly, I set the configs manually too. [03:23] TehRabbitt, are you using slackpkg? [03:23] you're running -current prematurely, if you don't know that extra/ exists or how to use it [03:23] I just dont know where to find extra on the mirror [03:23] hold on lemme look for it [03:23] slava_dp: this "laptop" hath no battery, it doesn't ever move except maybe to the living room (after shutdown, reboot after it gets moved) [03:24] found it :-D [03:24] realized I had to go up a level heh [03:24] pireau (1000@208.92.18.67) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:25] so just install wicd and I should be good to go? lol [03:25] Axius (~fd@92.84.21.138) joined ##slackware. [03:25] TehRabbitt, lol yes lol :-) [03:25] TehRabbitt, as long as you READ THE NOTES since there's a group permission issue that all of the users will need to be added to [03:25] (non-root users, that is) [03:26] hm, are you really laughing out loud that often? might be a sign of some kinda problem (nitrous in the atmosphere?) [03:26] alisonken1noc, aight [03:26] Urchlay, or drunk? :) [03:26] possibly... actually, what am I doing sober? [03:26] Urchlay, I actually did laugh that time sadly 0_o heh mostly out of "OHHHHH THERE IT IS" heh [03:26] i just hit the "up directory" button and BAM "extra" [03:27] yeah, I know the feeling... "if it was a snake, it would have bit you" [03:27] apparently it's a good thing I don't live in snake country [03:27] yepp sometimes I really do just need to look a little closer to what's right in front of me heh [03:27] and yea it's "netdev" users need to be in [03:28] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-231.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:28] hmm wicd can't show my ap which doesn't broadcast its ssid? [03:29] fhobia, that's fixed in 1.6.2.2 iirc. [03:29] if it doesn't broadcast, then wicd won't show it - like most others [03:29] err, I'm thinking of something else probably. [03:29] well, i try to scan for hidden, and that doesn't do anything [03:29] either [03:29] am i just so badass in my wap configuration that i fooled wicd ? [03:29] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:29] if the ap is hidden (not broadcasting), then you have to use another tool to catch packets and decode [03:29] yeah, i think that is the reason [03:30] i'm guessing I need to close X and restart it for it to show up in the menu? [03:30] you can still attach to a hidden ap, just takes some extra steps [03:30] no - but logout/login in order to be added to the netdev groiup [03:30] nvm found it [03:30] ah, aight... brb then [03:30] TehRabbitt-1 (~root@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:33] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:33] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.14.21) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [03:34] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:34] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.21.238) joined ##slackware. [03:38] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:38] lol, wicd pwned my system [03:38] pwned! [03:38] (sorry :-) ) [03:38] started connecting to some random access point and then dhcpcd overwrite my /etc/resolv.conf [03:38] lol [03:39] pwned. [03:39] TehRabbitt-1 (~Rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:39] i'm back [03:39] codename_nos (~codename_@117.198.173.176) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:39] and wireless :-D [03:39] err, yeah, that's expected by default... [03:39] quick, everyone hide [03:39] Action: adrien hides under the desj [03:39] desk* [03:39] i'm glad the "TehRabbitt-1 has joined..." was not a lie [03:40] funny alphageek .... [03:40] fhobia, the cake was though :( [03:40] hmm.. what to do with a perfectly working 320gb pata 2.5" hd [03:40] if [ "$CWD" = "$TARGET_NAME" -o "." = "$TARGET_NAME" ]; then # <== that line from makepkg seems to be barfing out (exit 2) on me when I try to make a package [03:40] Action: alphageek ponders [03:41] alphageek, mail it to me :-D [03:41] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [03:41] shipping will only cost about $100 :) [03:41] my lappy only has a 160GB 2.5" drive heh [03:41] alphageek, why so much to ship? where do you live? [03:41] timbuktu? [03:41] the cost for you, that is :) [03:41] haha [03:41] :( chrome won't load [03:42] damn, no cake !? [03:42] Action: fhobia has a fit [03:42] I'm toying with the idea of putting it in a 2.5"/3.5" harness, stuffing it in my server, & adding it to the existing lvm set [03:42] I installed chrome and it just tries to load then quits out :-\ [03:42] bummer [03:43] imma remove it and try installing from source :-\ [03:43] TehRabbitt, run in from a terminal, you'll see the error. [03:43] i'm confused as to why makepkg would fail making a package in the current directory [03:43] my TARGET_NAME is . [03:44] and CWD is $(PWD) [03:44] hm [03:44] /usr/bin/google-chrome: error while loading shared libraries: libgconf-2.so.4 [03:44] ah ha !!! [03:44] and did you read the README??? [03:44] i'm guessing this is old news? heh [03:44] which clearly states that you need gconf. [03:44] isn't gconf that registry thingie for gnome ? [03:44] you need a new distrib TehRabbitt [03:44] slack doesn't ship with gconf [03:44] it is available in SBo. [03:45] s/in/on/ [03:45] yeah [03:45] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [03:45] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:45] so whoever built this installer didn't do it right ? [03:45] or something [03:45] heh [03:45] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:46] idk i went to the google website for chrome, clicked "slack distrib" then downloaded the packages inside, installed them then yep heh [03:46] TehRabbitt, learn about slackbuilds.org. [03:46] Action: TehRabbitt-1 *goes back to google site to see if another snake is going to come out and bite me* [03:46] TehRabbitt, and sbopkg, later. [03:46] sbopkg? [03:47] for added fun, gconf has a dependency on orbit2 [03:47] package for doing a local search for slackbuilds.org with build/install capabilities [03:47] TehRabbitt, ^^ [03:47] build orbit2, build gconf, then play with chrome [03:48] aight [03:48] think of it as pkgtools for slackbuids.org [03:50] hm cool :) [03:50] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:51] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:53] the chrome/chromium slack package is indeed bad [03:53] recompile yourself or get a slackbuild [03:55] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [03:55] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Quit: When music is the weapon, we are all indestructable. [03:55] it's not bad. works for me. [03:55] weird, that test that kept failing for me in makepkg wasn't needed :/ [03:56] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:57] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:58] ariarat (root@94.182.46.19) left ##slackware. [03:58] echo "ERROR: Can't make output package in current directory." #seems weird 'cause that's what makepkg does [03:59] (it's not like permissions were botched or some other problem) [04:00] are you root? I've seen some issues like that when you're not root [04:00] yep, root [04:00] i just can't get my head around what that test is for in makepkg [04:00] what test? [04:00] and it was preventing me from building packages [04:00] if [ "$CWD" = "$TARGET_NAME" -o "." = "$TARGET_NAME" ]; then [04:00] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [04:00] the "or" part applied [04:01] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:01] my TARGET_NAME was . [04:02] hmm - not sure about the "." part unless both checks are just makepkg ensuring it's in the right directory before making the tarball [04:02] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [04:03] as noted: "# Sanity check -- we can't make the package in the current directory:" [04:03] i just commented out the troublesome test and the rest appeared to go OK, i haven't installed it or otherwise double checked it yet [04:03] I believe it's just making sure there's no recursion going on with the tarbuild [04:04] that's what I would guess too [04:04] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:04] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:06] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:08] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:11] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [04:12] *technically* which is better? compiling from source or using a slackpkg? [04:12] if it's something like chrome etc [04:12] it's a coin flip [04:12] to me, it mostly depends on the repository [04:12] alphageek, so one might work better than the other and vice versa? [04:13] more a question of working at all :) [04:13] lol [04:13] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.28.156) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:13] TehRabbitt, slackpkg is used to check against the original slackware packages - has nothing to do with sources [04:13] as has been found with chrome, sometimes packages make a mistaken assumption about what is or is not available on a given system [04:13] alisonken1noc, ah.. [04:14] alphageek, hence why I need to install 2 other packages to get chrome to run? [04:14] so slackpkg is pointed to the repository with the same version that you're running, and it will check if there are updates to installed packages for that particular release of slackware [04:14] exactly [04:14] TehRabbitt-1: since you need orbit2 & gconf, I could save you some work [04:14] . o O ( http://alphageek.dyndns.org/linux/slackware-packages.shtml ) [04:15] alisonken1noc, so if I compile from source I technically lose the ease of updating it (have to manualy update it) etc [04:15] I needed to build those for TangoGPS [04:15] TehRabbitt, unless it's in the slacbuilds.org repository and you're also using sbopkg, correct [04:15] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.26.45) joined ##slackware. [04:15] TehRabbitt, if you use slackbuilds, then sbopkg will do upgates for you. [04:15] What is the first thing that I should do after upgradeing to current to make sure that the system will boot? [04:16] try rebooting ? [04:16] know what you're doing when you use slackware-current [04:16] Axius, have a doughnut? :) [04:16] it's a development version of slackware [04:16] cross fingers mostly and reboot [04:16] crossing fingers is useless. [04:16] just reboot then [04:16] -current is typically available to help pat fix any changes going into the next release of slackware [04:17] it either works or you have to fix it ;) [04:17] XD [04:17] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [04:18] Do I have to change something in /etc/lilo.conf? [04:18] only if the kernel/initrd changes since the last update [04:18] lol well i learn *pretty* quick so it'll just take me a lil time to get used to how slack handles packages compared to other distros i've used [04:19] very simple - each package is a tarball that installs when you untar it in / - and there's no dependency checking other than what's between your ears [04:19] package management is very simple in slack [04:20] it's deliberately as simple as possible [04:20] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:21] to view the database of installed packages, look at /var/log/packages [04:21] s/simple/simple and good/ :-) [04:21] nothing more annoying than using a package management system that monitors dependencies, then finding 2 packages each that won't install without the other being installed first (happens more often than you think) [04:21] each file is nothing more than the description part of the package plus the files that were installed and where [04:21] plain text files [04:21] or some index gets corrupt :( [04:22] alphageek, had that issue all the time in debian... hence why I stopped using it and switched to gentoo for a while.... which just caused headaches [04:22] or something I really loved with redhat about 10 years ago (likely still valid today). I had a 486 at the time with a really tiny drive. 100mb or somesuch. I wanted to install only the bare minimum to get a functional system [04:23] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) joined ##slackware. [04:23] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:23] so after painstakingly unchecking all sorts of cruft, what happened? dependency checking forced most of it back in the list [04:23] LOL [04:23] it was shortly after that I discovered slackware [04:24] w00t chrome starts [04:24] slack will happily let you do exactly what you want.. up to & including shooting yourself in the foot [04:24] both feet, both hands, your legs, your arms, .... [04:24] :) i deleted /usr once that was bad [04:25] alphageek: my last try to install opensuse was: unchecking stupid deps and watching yast crash after eating something like 100MB of ram (2GB available) [04:25] d'oh [04:25] alphageek, so far from what I can tell is it's kinda in-between gentoo and debian [04:25] when it comes to packages [04:26] TehRabbitt-1: just give it time to sink in. once you figure out the zen of things, you'll wonder why you ever bothered with anything else [04:26] can't be in between... [04:26] oh, i see what you mean :3 [04:27] alphageek, whole reason I came over to slack was because my friend (who actually wrote part of the BT stack for slack) told me to check out slack since I kept complaining about debian's dependencies / "to install this, you need this, but wait! you can't install that because it's conflicting with XYZ package which requires this dependency" [04:27] ahh, he's a nice friend :) [04:27] and now, let's reinstall the maybe-hax0r'ed computer [04:28] alphageek, i'm starting to agree already heh so far my experiance with slack has been less painful than debian or gentoo [04:28] a bit confusing at first but less painful [04:28] & yeah, I've heard variations of that before.. to install A, you need B v1.0, but C requires B v0.9. conflict! [04:29] deps are alright, problem is that maintainers never get them right or simply can't because they'd need to know about package/maintainer X/Y and would need to talk to him [04:29] also, ubuntu (at a friend, bah!) prevented me from installing xz because it "conflicted" with lzma-utils, but both liblzma files are compatible [04:29] and, well, if I can't install it, why provide it at all? >< [04:29] alphageek, but don't forget.... A wants B v1.0, and also requires C 2.0 but C 2.0 conflicts with B 1.0 and requires B 0.9 which requires D 1.0 which requires C 2.0 [04:30] lol [04:30] haha [04:30] it gets worst when you include all software on planet earth (supposingly) [04:30] sahko: but debian still doesn't have eduk32 while slackware has (through sbo) :-) [04:30] alphageek, that's what happened when I wanted to install compiz-fusion on my laptop in debian [04:31] alphageek, it required somelibrary v2.0 and a difflibary 2.6 but somelibrary v2.0 required difflibrary2.4 not 2.6 [04:31] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:31] sooo I had to compile from source lol [04:31] adrien: and man many other stuff i assure you. but to learn how to install em using the native package manager you have to read a whole encyclopedia [04:32] and then I found out there were SEVERAL HUNDRED dependencies [04:32] sooo litterly 2 weeks later... [04:32] haha [04:32] figuring out which thing relied on another etc [04:32] :-\ [04:32] at least slack kinda 'tells you" what you need [04:32] heh [04:33] don't use spaces as punctuation. [04:33] oops, not spaces, I meant newlines :-/ [04:33] aight haha i was gonna say shoulditypelikethisthen? [04:34] Action: slava_dp is feeling mad today :( [04:34] Action: adrien hugs slava_dp [04:35] alphageek, overall I have to say I am liking slack alot :) [04:35] Axius_ (~fd@92.84.21.138) joined ##slackware. [04:35] Action: slava_dp thanks adrien [04:35] sahko: I gave up trying to understand the debians ;-) [04:35] bah, usb booting takes ages [04:36] pxe! [04:36] adrien: using the usbboot.img? yeah it does. my isohybrided isos take 1/10 [04:37] I don't have the server part on the netwrok [04:37] actually, *that* computer was the server part [04:37] sahko: what have you changed? [04:37] yeah, that'd present a bit of a problem [04:37] absolutely nothing. they just do [04:37] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [04:37] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:38] Axius__ (~fd@92.84.21.138) joined ##slackware. [04:38] Axius (~fd@92.84.21.138) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:38] i'm liking that I got splunk working too on this machine... indexes all the data from /var/log into a nice searchable web2.0 gui [04:38] Axius_ (~fd@92.84.21.138) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:38] biab. gotta run to the corner store [04:39] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:40] does the slackware installer auto-actives logical raids? (seems so, want to be sure) [04:40] hm, anyone know why chrome and firefox load slow / the sites don't load but koncourer loads fine? [04:40] TehRabbitt-1: tsss, go for a web3.14 gui -_- [04:40] adrien, mdadm raids? yes, it does. [04:40] slava_dp: thanks =) [04:40] adrien, they have those?!?!?!? GIMME! jkjk... yea no splunk definatally makes life 10x easier when things ermm.. *break* [04:41] well, check /proc/mdstat to be sure. [04:41] slava_dp: pretty badly though! [04:41] when I used to run debian SID back in the day first thing I installed was splunk so when thigns did break, i could pinpoint where [04:41] it only got half of the array :o [04:41] too bad [04:42] any ideas guys on why pages wont load fast in chrome / FF but they load fast in koncourer? [04:42] nvm it's all of them haha [04:43] hm weird [04:43] are you on speed? [04:43] nope, but my computer is sure lacking it right now :-\ [04:43] you've been rambling non-stop, every time i open this window i see 5 lines of yours come at me like a machine gun :) [04:43] lol sorry mancha [04:44] *technically* I can type up to 112 wpm [04:44] or so a few of those typing tests have said [04:44] typeracer.com ? :-) [04:46] stupid stupid mondays. [04:46] CEOs laptop wont boot [04:46] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-6-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:47] TehRabbitt-2 (~Rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:47] TehRabbitts are multiplying [04:49] TehRabbitt-1 (~Rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:49] TehRabbitt (~rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:49] is that gonna be 224 wpm now? [04:49] TehRabbits are dying out now :( [04:50] evanton (~lol@unaffiliated/evanton) joined ##slackware. [04:51] wow, 13.1 rc1 in changelog [04:51] yep - since friday [04:51] Action: alphageek returns triumphant! [04:51] just saw it [04:51] what, never expected it to arrive? [04:51] it's Night Of The Lepus, run for your lives! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIsI7CwjH3M [04:52] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@97.103.10.* expired. [04:52] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@97.103.10.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [04:52] sometimes it does seem to take a while :) [04:52] actually I never expect a new version, because I know the "it's released when it's ready" principle [04:52] TehRabbitt-2 (~Rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:52] no more TehRabbits left [04:52] this is good, I'm pleasantly surprised everytime when I find out [04:52] TehRabbitt (~rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:53] okay, the kernel did not create /dev/sdcX but fdisk shows everything fine [04:53] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:53] slava_dp: respawn! [04:54] adrien, yeah, instant rebirth [04:54] What should I do with the orig in /etc after upgrading to current? [04:54] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:55] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:56] Axius__: What orig? [04:56] .new files, [04:56] s/,/?/ [04:56] orig files [04:57] just leave them be. theyre not doing you any harm [04:57] ok [04:58] um [04:58] evanton (~lol@unaffiliated/evanton) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:59] The screen resolution looks after upgrading to current a bit crapy. What should I do? [04:59] Axius__: install your graphics driver and set your own resolution. [04:59] actually, what you should do is look each over & either 'mv foo.new foo' (if you've not made custom edits to 'foo') or merge changes from foo.new to foo (if you have made custom edits) [04:59] alphageek: .orig not .new [05:00] dunno what generates .orig files [05:00] stuff [05:00] :) [05:00] .new is part of package management [05:01] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!0@* expired. [05:01] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [05:01] in any case their purpose is clear [05:01] so he should leave them alone because he doesnt know what he's doing [05:01] blech! [05:01] gonna have to rebuild a 500GB raid [05:01] raid1 [05:01] fun [05:02] I only have cli base system and I used the standard resolution for console. [05:03] I've set it with liloconfig. [05:03] Kaapa (~Something@a95-93-240-222.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:03] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [05:04] then find out the vga line you need for lilo [05:04] what should your screen resolution be? [05:05] well, unclean shutdown and now mdadm tells me it kicked sdc5 out of the array because it's not fresh, would there be anything faster than --fail, --remove and --add to get the second drive back? [05:06] I've used the standard linux console buffer until now. [05:07] let's rebuild =/ [05:07] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:08] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:09] could be nice to have mdadm take into account the physical properties of the drives [05:09] this is my lilo.conf file:http://dpaste.com/195561/ [05:09] I mean, for hard drives, it says remaining_time = remaining_bits/current_speed but the speed lowers as you move to the inner parts of the disk and the estimate is often way off [05:11] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [05:11] adrien, here it takes about an hour to rebuild a 500 gb sata raid 1 array. [05:11] slava_dp: closer to two hours here [05:11] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [05:11] from 140MB/s to 60MB/s and current speed is around 100MB/s [05:11] you all need to put 3ware rcaid cards on your christmas lists [05:11] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:11] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:12] Santa Zordrak Claus? =) [05:12] hey i only managed to get them cause it saved us £10k/year [05:12] more -current updates, folks [05:12] heheh :P [05:12] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [05:13] but this is my home computer/machine (but it's a kind of server) [05:13] Axius__ (~fd@92.84.21.138) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:14] Axius (~fd@92.84.21.138) joined ##slackware. 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I was using arch there was an easy way to install the device [06:40] jgeboski: anything was under software chanel [06:40] roshanavand: its all there already [06:40] roshanavand: unless you didnt do a full install [06:43] Zordrak: I did a full install [06:46] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [06:46] roshanavand: then what's the problem? [06:46] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-68.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:47] Zordrak: bluetooth device not working [06:48] Ok.. so is it loaded? dmesg? lspci? [06:48] roshanavand: you said the manufacturer of the device supplied a linux driver, correct? If so, you installed it? [06:48] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:48] Zordrak: no [06:48] jgeboski: I confused :( [06:49] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:50] Is it internal or USB? [06:50] Zordrak: internal [06:50] so what kind of laptop is it? [06:50] is your hardware radio switch on? 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[07:03] where should i look, if i want to know, how the network is set up on a system, please ? ifconfig + route ? the problem: i boot ubuntu live cd in virtualbox, and the net-manager is able to get the correct nameserver, gateway and sets an ip address from a different range, than the hosting system and i can get on the internet from the v-box. but i do not know how to set up net for slackware13 in the virtual box. [07:04] rrh: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network [07:04] JackStoner (~ezekiel@115.135.161.60) joined ##slackware. [07:04] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:06] Can anyone help me with the installation of slackware, not sure what cd images to get and i dont wanna get the DVD, i need a minimal gnome environment [07:06] JackStoner: slackware does not ship with gnome. [07:06] thumbs, but i can install it right?? [07:06] JackStoner: if you want minimal, try xfce [07:06] JackStoner: with third-party packages, yes, and we don't support them here [07:07] but firstly i would like to know what cd images i should get to get an working GUI [07:07] JackStoner: cd1 and cd2 [07:07] sahko: i mean, i know how to set up a network in slackware. i just do not know how to set it up, while it is running in virtualbox. i wanted to copy the settings from ubuntu, but i do not know if i have all information needed. if i only need the information which ifconfing and route are providing, or if there is some more to look up. [07:07] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-34-48.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [07:08] thumbs, thank you [07:08] JackStoner: look up gsb. [07:08] thumbs, whats that? [07:08] JackStoner: gnome for slackware. [07:09] :D...thanks again. Do they have a guide?? [07:09] JackStoner: yes. [07:09] and one more thing, im doing the install on virtualbox, so is there anything i should know?? [07:09] JackStoner: not really. [07:10] JackStoner: it should install painlessly. [07:10] no network, video issues?? [07:10] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:10] JackStoner: I don't see why. [07:10] thumbs, thanks again [07:10] in which series is alsamixer? [07:10] Action: JackStoner is getting cd 2 :P [07:14] is webdav secure [07:15] coolkehon: it depends. [07:15] When I run alsamixer I get this error:alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory [07:16] What should I do? [07:16] Axius: Are you in the audio group? [07:16] I need a way to backup my files to another computer everyday over the network. I'd also like to be able to mount the remote filesystem and write files to it [07:16] adamk_: until now it worked. [07:18] That didn't actually answer my question. You should also make sure that the driver for your card is loaded and see if you can run alsamixer as root. [07:18] adamk_: I ran it as root and still does not work. [07:18] roshanavand (root@188.158.83.73) left ##slackware. [07:19] Axius: did you search the internet for that error? [07:19] no [07:19] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:19] Axius: why not? [07:19] And did you check to make sure the driver for your card is loaded? [07:20] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [07:20] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-68.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:20] adamk_: How do check if my card is loaded? [07:21] Check 'lsmod | grep snd' to see if the module for your card is loaded. Do you know what module you should be using? [07:23] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:23] Kustnamenkloate (titan@unaffiliated/appetite) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:24] adamk_: this module file http://dpaste.com/195599/ [07:26] So it's a high definition audio chip. And the driver would appear to be loaded. [07:26] Does playing audio work? [07:27] it sings but very slow. [07:27] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [07:27] IF I had to guess, I'd say that your driver is in a funky state. [07:29] and when I use cmus I get this: error : opening audio device: no such file or directory [07:29] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-pbcjpdkarnfovpfq) joined ##slackware. [07:31] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:32] Axius: All I can really suggest at this point is unloading those modules and reloading snd_hda_intel. [07:32] How should I do that? [07:33] Nick0 (~Nick0@ip-213-61-179-93.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving! [07:33] Something like 'rmmod `lsmod | grep snd | cut -d " " -f 1` ' [07:33] Of course that will only work if the sound device isn't being used. [07:36] maybe the problem lies [07:37] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p579B553C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:37] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p579B553C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:38] I've upgrade my system to current and I had have to downgrade my kernel to 2.6.29.6 [07:39] Nah, that shouldn't matter at all, I don't think. [07:40] Action: alphageek sits back down [07:40] Axius: here's a fun question. which kernel type are you using? 'huge' or 'generic' (smp or uni, doesn't matter) [07:41] alphageek: I use huge. [07:41] bingo [07:41] fail [07:42] create an initrd, tweak lilo.conf appropriately, reboot with a suitable generic kernel, sound will work [07:42] there.. just handed you the solution on a silver platter [07:42] Action: raela applauds alphageek [07:43] I do not know how to creat an initrd. [07:43] alphageek: Why is using huge causing this problem for him, though? [07:43] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:43] /boot/README.initrd [07:43] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:44] /usr/share/mkinitrd/mkinitrd_command_generator.sh is your friend, btw [07:45] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-68.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [07:46] Irssi: warning SSL read error: Connection reset by peer meh [07:47] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:47] for the record, the huge kernels are only of use in the installer & for 'wups, fucked up' on an installed system. day to day usage should be with the generic kernel [07:48] i wonder if the rt2860 is to blame for the SSL errors [07:48] bug report submitted to Pat =) [07:48] rt2860 firmware* [07:48] anyone else use LVM on top of LuKs for a separate disk other than root/home/swap ? [07:49] huh, I'm actually using the huge kernel [07:50] jacksonbr (~jackson@201-75-2-79-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:51] hi all [07:51] Yeah, frankly, I doubt that using the huge kernel is the source of the problem. [07:51] alsamixer seems to be installed on the system. [07:51] Action: alphageek shrugs [07:52] What file I need change for acpi assisted hibernate [07:53] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Necrosporus [07:53] Axius: Obviously it's installed if you ran it :-) [07:53] adamk_: now I get this when I run alsamixer as root :cannot open mixer: No such file or directory [07:55] Did you unload the modules? If so, did you reload them? [07:55] adamk_: I've unloaded them. [07:55] lisak (~lisak@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) joined ##slackware. [07:56] How I reloaded them? [07:56] So you didn't load them again? Well, then, of course you're not gonna have a mixer :-) [07:56] Nick change: lisak -> hrad [07:56] modprobe snd_hda_intel [07:56] To start, anyway. [07:57] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [07:57] After you do that, does alsamixer work? [07:58] adamk_: no, it does not work. [07:58] Is xfce the default GUI for slackware 13?? [07:58] Pastebin the output of 'lsmod | grep snd' now. [07:58] Axius: And what error are you getting now? [07:58] JackStoner, xfce is installed by default, but only the 'default' if you say so in the installation [07:59] cannot open mixer: No such file or directory [07:59] thrice`, thanks.. [07:59] adamk_: http://dpaste.com/195608/ [07:59] so the dvd comes with xfce, right? [08:00] you do realize one definition of insanity is to do exactly the same thing over & over expecting different results, right? [08:00] alphageek, really?? :P [08:00] yeah [08:01] case in point. me attempting to help folks that won't listen. I keep trying & expect one day they will :) [08:01] Actually, that's not a definition of insanity. It's a quote often attributed to Einstein, though there's no actual proof he said it anyway. [08:01] alphageek, its part of the mortgage :D [08:02] alphageek, (its from "Thanks for smoking") [08:02] adamk_: ? [08:02] Axius: Well I'm out of ideas. Also seems to be screwed up on your system. Perhaps it is a result of using the huge kernel, though I still doubt that. [08:03] asamoah (~caio@wiltel.wilnet.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [08:03] s/Also/Alsa [08:03] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-68.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:04] I've reintalled alsa from the slackware current. [08:06] I'd ask if you mixed & matched packages from -13.0 & -current, but I fear the answer would be yes [08:07] alphageek: I've only the kernel from slackware 13.0 and remaining packages are from slackware current. [08:08] *facepalm* [08:08] Though I don't think that should be an issue, at least as far as alsa is concerned (they try to be backwards compatible) maybe it's time to try the -current kernel. [08:09] (This is why the first thing I do on linux is install oss4, btw.) [08:09] hasansahin (~c3218136@gateway/web/freenode/x-altaydatvkcawqbw) joined ##slackware. [08:09] Action: alphageek thinks it's about the right time to calmly walk away.. he's had as much fun as he can stand [08:09] later [08:10] adamk_: I've tried the current kernel and it seems that is haveing some problem with the console atlest for me. [08:11] OK, but does sound work? :-) [08:12] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [08:13] adamk_: It works but very slow. [08:13] So on current it works, but slowly. Does alsamixer work? [08:14] adamk_: now I have the kernel 2.6.29.6 [08:15] Wow. You just don't get it. [08:15] Does audio work with the -current kernel? [08:16] yes, it worked. [08:17] Alright, apparently backwards compatibility means nothing these days. [08:17] It seems obvious, then, that the problem was using the slackware 13.0 kernel. [08:18] adamk_: now I have installed kernel-huge-2.6.29.6-i486-3 [08:18] OK. [08:18] and the sound works very slow [08:18] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@187.114.195.227) left irc: Changing host [08:18] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [08:18] Oh dear God. [08:19] Yes, we know this. And if it works with the -current kernel, clearly the problem is with you using the slackware 13.0 kernel. [08:20] adamk_: My problem is that I can't set the volume as I want. [08:20] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:20] Axius, did you also install kernel modules from 13.0? [08:21] dive: yes [08:22] yes, I have installed kernel modules from 13.0 [08:22] have you got a really good reason not to use kernel from -current then? [08:22] Axius: Could you set the volume you wanted when you used the -current kernel? [08:22] wertik_rus (~wertik@195.239.215.34) joined ##slackware. [08:24] Axius, why don't you use kernel from current? [08:24] He said he had issues with the console. [08:24] dive: I only have cli base system and the console buffer is a bit crap. [08:24] Nick change: [OpenSys] -> OpenSys [08:24] I think it'd be easier to fix that than fix this. [08:24] "a bit crap"? [08:24] Explain the problem and maybe someone can help. [08:25] with the kernel from slackware current [08:25] sounds like kms [08:25] Clearly you're not going to get audio working properly on -current with the 13.0 kernel. [08:25] It looks bad [08:26] well I can think of something else he needs to install from 13 but it would be better to fix console [08:26] "looks bad"? Use your words :-) [08:26] Axius, what will you do wen 13.1 is ready? [08:26] still keep old kernel? [08:26] fix the consle [08:27] Axius: What video card? What did you try to get the console working the way you want? What happened when you tried? Was the resolution too large? Was it too small? [08:27] Axius, what looks bad? Resolution? Or...? [08:27] I will use the old kernel untile that problem is fix. [08:27] Seriously, if "looks bad" is as descriptive as you can get, then you're just out of luck. [08:28] perhaps he has bright pink text on a yellow bg [08:29] adamk_: The resolution was too large; I could not see even the username on my system. [08:30] OK, now that's better. [08:30] That does, indeed, sound like KMS. [08:30] You can set the reseolution KMS uses with the video= option on the kernel boot line. [08:30] Did you try that? [08:31] Nick change: xchg_spi -> xchg [08:31] adamk_: I did not know how to do that. [08:31] So now you do :-) Give it a shot. Pass, for example video=1024x768 for a 1024x768 resolution. [08:31] That should work for both radeon and intel cards. I'm not sure about nvidia cards with nouveau. [08:34] cracker (~chatzilla@41.225.200.152) joined ##slackware. [08:34] in /ect/lilo.conf? [08:35] adamk_: in /ect/lilo.conf? [08:35] Axius, yes: append="video=1024x768" [08:35] Yes. I believe there is an append line? I may be wrong as I don't actually use lilo. [08:35] Yay. [08:36] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [08:37] Nick change: cracker -> crack3r [08:39] SpacePlod (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-mojnxexhkwijrobc) joined ##slackware. [08:40] ariarat (~root@94.182.46.19) joined ##slackware. [08:40] wertik_rus (~wertik@195.239.215.34) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:41] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [08:42] Axius, I should probably ask this: have you now installed kernel+modules from -current, added that line and run lilo? Because you will need do it in that kind of order. [08:42] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [08:43] dive: right now, I'm doing what are you saying. [08:43] wertik_rus (~wertik@195.239.215.34) joined ##slackware. [08:46] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) joined ##slackware. [08:47] guax (~guax@189.34.46.63) joined ##slackware. [08:47] guax (~guax@189.34.46.63) left irc: Changing host [08:47] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:47] dive: where should I put append="video=1024x768? now I have a line that reads :append=" vt.default_utf8=0" [08:48] make it append=" vt.default_ut8=0 video=1024x768" [08:48] er [08:49] make it append=" vt.default_utf8=0 video=1024x768" [08:49] ok [08:49] any reason why you don't want a utf8 console? [08:49] why not let KMS do all of this? [08:50] When you use several interacting bits of software why is there always at least one of the bastards that has a critical bug :# [08:51] in 13.0 it was interaction between xfs and nfs, in 13.1 its interaction between drbd and lvm2 [08:51] thrice`: He doesn't like the default resolution KMS is giving him. [08:52] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-umyxfmffudvhzilg) joined ##slackware. [08:52] ok, that's what I missed then :> [08:53] There was a lot more to it than that, but that bring you up to the present moment :-) [08:54] guys can you see anything suspicious about this usb storage device connection ? http://pastebin.com/qCjQcXVf [08:54] adamk_ (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:54] When I run liloconfig is a option that say: " standard use the standard linux console (the safe choice) What should I do to have that resolution? [08:54] there is the the device /dev/sdb, even scsi /dev/sg1, but no partition recognized, it behaves as it wasn't formatted, fdisk -l doesn't list it [08:55] but it is on other machines [08:55] dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb -> dd: opening `/dev/sdb': No medium found [08:56] dive When I run liloconfig is a option that say: " standard use the standard linux console (the safe choice) What should I do to have that resolution? [08:56] dive: When I run liloconfig is a option that say: " standard use the standard linux console (the safe choice) What should I do to have that resolution? [08:56] adamk (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [08:57] Axius, if you edited lilo.conf manually don't run liloconfig [08:57] ok [08:57] just run lilo [08:57] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [08:57] now you probably need go edit it again :> [08:58] dive: did you understand my question? [08:58] Nick change: dvel -> ratono [08:58] well it's been a while since I've used liloconfig [08:58] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [08:59] need check it out [08:59] ariarat (root@94.182.46.19) left ##slackware. [08:59] Axius, put vga=normal in there I think [08:59] anyone know the equivalent ubuntu command for alsaconf ? (#unbuntu are useless) [09:00] any msn problems? i think they updated the protocol and fudged up everyone [09:00] phrag, if alsa-utils are installed it should be the same, or do I misunderstand? [09:00] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:00] thanks dive, doesnt seem to be [09:01] guax, not that I've noticed - I'm still signed on via pidgin [09:01] phrag, doesn't ubuntu use pulse anyway? [09:01] :/ [09:01] guax, which version pidgin? [09:01] dive: I this it does not work. [09:01] dive, bitlbee and kopete seemed out of sevice, will try with pidgin [09:02] Axius, what doesn't work? Did you run 'lilo'? [09:02] hrad (~lisak@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:02] dive: that line:vga=normal [09:03] dive, pidgin works, bet they understood better the microsoft way of dealing with the protocol [09:03] Axius, pastebin your lilo.conf at http://pastebin.slackadelic.com [09:03] guax, afaik he protocol hasn't changed in a long time [09:03] s/he/the [09:03] dive: ok [09:03] fuckin useless channel [09:04] (not this channel!) [09:04] 10:01] msn - Couldn't log in: Error during Passport authentication: Could not parse Passport server response [09:04] dive: http://dpaste.com/195629/ [09:04] dive: take a look. [09:04] #ubuntu are useless.. i ask a simople legit question like 'what tool does ubuntu use to to configure sound' and get no response [09:05] guax: I'm connected to msn on bitlbee [09:05] while some nab goes on about what video card to buy, and gets the attention of the entire channel, while i am ignored [09:05] phrag, dpkg --reconfigure pulse-audio? [09:05] or something like that [09:05] i mention the channel is shit and they all turn on me lol [09:05] raela, shit =/ [09:05] ah, pulse-audio [09:05] guax: did you typo something somewhere? maybe remove the account then add again, just in case [09:05] guax: unlikely, but can't hurt to try [09:06] thankyou guax, you > #ubuntu =) [09:06] dive: I reboot. [09:06] Axius, ok [09:06] raela, same account, just stopped somehow [09:07] phrag: yeah I went their trying to get help for why the ubuntu installer wouldn't detect my hdd and got nothing (it detected no problems with slack and centos) [09:07] no update even [09:07] i'll debug later [09:07] msn sux anyways, prefer gtalk and irc [09:07] yeah I don't think I actually talk to anyone on msn [09:07] Axius (~fd@92.82.80.15) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:07] Axius (~fd@92.82.80.15) joined ##slackware. [09:07] I used to just keep msn on because I'd get email notifications, but I don't get those with bitlbee now [09:07] raela: honestly, it really makes you appreciate a real support channel like ##slackware [09:08] i don't blame them, i guess they gets idiots coming in everyday asking silly questions.. but really, i was patient and asked a very legit question [09:10] dive: What do you think? [09:10] Axius, try this: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/O0xURf21.html [09:10] I put the append line in linux section [09:10] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [09:11] er actually one sec [09:11] Axius, this one: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/HvS5yG83.html [09:11] dive: ok [09:12] Axius, did you get any error/warning when running lilo? [09:12] wertik_rus (~wertik@195.239.215.34) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:14] dive: no, I did not get any error. [09:14] dive: I will reboot to see what happens. [09:15] wertik_rus (~wertik@195.239.215.34) joined ##slackware. [09:15] dive: thank you. [09:16] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:16] np [09:17] Axius (~fd@92.82.80.15) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:18] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-68.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [09:18] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:18] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:18] nachox (~imarambio@201.254.126.240) joined ##slackware. [09:18] Axius (~fd@92.82.80.15) joined ##slackware. [09:19] eightyeight (88@oalug/member/pdpc.supporter.monthlybronze.eightyeight) left ##slackware ("wwjd? jwrtfm."). [09:23] when I press ctrl + l the username disappears. What could be the problem? [09:23] I have slackware current. [09:24] which file do I need change to get acpi working (have files already set up in /etc/acpi....) [09:25] jrodger: do you have the appropriate modules loaded? [09:26] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: Bye [09:27] raela: that is what I'm trying to ascertain, I'm looking through linuxquestions....but I'm confused [09:27] Nick change: ratono -> dvel [09:28] jrodger: well, it's hardware specific.. you might do best googling for your hardware + acpi + module and see what pops up (just the word module) [09:29] they should be loaded auto [09:29] jrodger, lsmod | grep acpi [09:29] dive: but something like temperature monitoring - I had to manually load coretemp for the one box, I believe [09:29] acpi_cpufreq 7500 0 [09:29] freq_table 3420 2 cpufreq_ondemand,acpi_cpufreq [09:29] processor 38600 4 acpi_cpufreq,thermal [09:30] if I type echo - n "mem" > /sys/power/state, it hibernates [09:30] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p579B553C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:30] cat /sys/power/state returns mem disk [09:31] jrodger, have you edited /etc/acpi/events/default ? [09:31] crack3r (~chatzilla@41.225.200.152) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.9/20100315075757] [09:31] dive: what to edit in there? [09:31] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:32] I've got event=.* [09:32] if the line action=/etc/acpi/acpi_handler.sh %e is there after then that is ok [09:32] and then edit acpi_handler.sh [09:33] check /var/log/messages for acpi events to see what's happening [09:33] that line follows the event=.*, so I should edit the acpi_handler.sh? [09:33] yep [09:34] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:36] so yeh, #ubuntu support sucks balls [09:37] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-144.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:37] try ubuntu+1 [09:38] wertik_rus (~wertik@195.239.215.34) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:38] jrodger, what I found useful is to add 'echo $@ >> /etc/acpi/log' at the top of the acpi_handler.sh script and then check log to see what codes are generated when closing lid or hitting hibernate button etc. [09:39] then when it's all working just comment out that line [09:41] nachox (~imarambio@201.254.126.240) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:42] returns LID (lots of zeroes)3 and second line same but suffix 4 [09:42] Axius (~fd@92.82.80.15) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:44] running "acpi_listen" is easier to see events fwiw :> [09:45] General Warning: DO NOT use LVM with DRBD on -current/13.1. You WILL corrupt your data. [09:45] mrfrank (~IceChat09@c-67-184-235-211.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:48] thrice`, hmm didn't know that one [09:49] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:49] Action: dive did it the hard way [09:49] dive, it spits the the event right to the terminal. slightly easier than checking logs every time [09:49] yeah [09:49] Action: phrag finds comfort and ##slackware [09:49] what does 'button/lid LID0 00000080 0000000a' mean? [09:49] what is the preferred alcohol drink for slackers ? :P [09:50] beer [09:50] jrodger, that would be the code you need to put in acpi_handler.sh pointing to your lid script [09:50] or coffee, depending on the situation [09:50] mezcal [09:50] Genk1, anything alcoholic for me [09:50] although I should say that ale > * [09:50] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@ppp-69-215-51-3.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [09:51] hmm ok [09:51] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving... [09:51] thanks for answers :P [09:52] Genk1, well if you're buying the next round, no problem ;-) [09:57] anyone else having weird Xinerama issues with latest slack -current as of a few minutes ago? [09:57] specifically, X seems to detect your displays in an opposite/reverse order than it did with 13.0 [09:58] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [09:58] fuzzbawl: Are you using KMS? [09:58] you're what hurts? [09:58] mrfrank (~IceChat09@c-67-184-235-211.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: IceChat - Keeping PC's cool since 2000 [09:59] Huh? [09:59] eh? [09:59] define KMS [09:59] kernel modesetting. [09:59] please =) [09:59] honestly I can't remember. lemme check grub [10:00] Basically, kernel modesetting enumerates ports in the opposite order from user modesetting. [10:00] So If you have DVI-0 and DVI-1, DVI-1 now comes DVI-0 and vice-versa. [10:00] hi people, i'll be happy if someone explains me why does it need usbboot.img rebuilding in usb-pxe-installers if some packages are rebuilt in current? [10:00] any bitlbee user here? [10:01] pupit, usually it doesn't, but they were built incorrectly [10:01] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [10:01] The slackbuild from SBo doesn't work in the latest version - if anyone knows why, I'd appreciate to know [10:02] any error of interest? [10:02] thrice`: thanks [10:02] I think I found the problem.... [10:02] which: no pm-suspend in (/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin) [10:02] readlink: missing operand [10:02] Channel flood from jrodger -- kicking [10:02] Try `readlink --help' for more information. [10:02] s2ram.sh: line 13: pm-suspend: command not found [10:02] jrodger kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [10:03] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [10:05] adamk: that's likely it then. through my quick google search on that it appears as if nvidia cards are being treated properly now with kernel 2.6.33 and KMS [10:05] I'll swap my X config around [10:05] fuzzbawl: Sorry, I have no experience with nvidia cards and nouveau. [10:06] And, in fact, my statement is based solely on my experience with the radeon drivers, though other KMS drivers may do the same [10:06] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-umyxfmffudvhzilg) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:07] I'll swap the X config and see if that takes care of the issues. If not, I'll have to drop KMS for user [10:07] wertik_rus (~wertik@195.239.215.34) joined ##slackware. [10:08] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:08] three X screens, Screen 0 is on it's own card set at +1680,0 position. Screen 1 is RightOf Screen 0 and Screen 2 is LeftOf Screen 0. The issue is moving from Screen 0 to Screen 1 works fine but I cannot move from Screen 0 to Screen 2 [10:08] resolution of all displays is 1680x1050 [10:09] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [10:09] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [10:09] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-68.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [10:10] i'll brb with my findings on xorg.conf swap [10:10] oops, [10:10] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@ppp-69-215-51-3.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:10] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-425183.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [10:11] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:11] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:12] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-dnhcizkacemlcole) joined ##slackware. [10:16] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:16] ForgeAus (~arthur@112.141.69.208) joined ##slackware. [10:16] hey all :) does slackware have a bootstrap? [10:16] slackware is a binary distribution [10:17] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-68.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:17] like febootstrap or debootstrap? that IC ould use to create a /slakboot [10:17] oops slakroot [10:17] (so I can chroot to slackware? [10:17] actually its notjust binary, some .tgz's are source arent they? [10:18] it's command for installing packages (installpkg) has a -root option to specify a new target location [10:18] yes but I'm using kubuntu as my (host?) os so I dont yet have a installpkg yet [10:19] it's a bash script, so you might be able to grab pkgtools, extract it, and use it [10:19] ok where do I get pkgtools from? [10:19] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [10:19] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [10:20] a slackware mirror ( slackware.com/getslack ), under the slackware/a/ directory [10:20] thx :) [10:20] it'll require you to have a few typical system components, like tar, xz-utils, gzip, bash, and .. ? [10:21] got those that you mentioned sofar [10:21] (needed it for the archlinux chroot I made, just deleted that one) [10:21] GhOsT-PR (~ghost@24.139.229.79) joined ##slackware. [10:23] wertik_rus (~wertik@195.239.215.34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:24] pkgtools needs a special version of tar. [10:25] slackware's tar ships two tars. [10:25] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [10:25] so pkgtools might (and will) break with another version. [10:25] Hey what's up? [10:25] ok so then how do I do this? without breaking tar? [10:25] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:26] i am up shit creek and i dont even have a twig to paddle with. Ive got two file servers.. one has a bug that makes files inaccesible when accessed over NFS, the other has a bug that completely corrupts the crap out of everything [10:26] slava_dp, not any longer [10:26] damn, get rid of the corrupting bug first... [10:26] is this a bug? [10:27] its a bug between LVM and DRBD [10:27] that machine is now the secondary because it was critical [10:27] im now on the primary which just has- the file access bug [10:27] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [10:27] thrice`, then tell me why there's a second tar installed. [10:27] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:27] hasansahin (~c3218136@gateway/web/freenode/x-altaydatvkcawqbw) left irc: Quit: : bye [10:28] slava_dp, you're not on -current: http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-current/source/a/pkgtools/pkgtools.SlackBuild [10:29] whatever the case I aren't looking to break my host linux, thats the point of having a second one! [10:29] kubuntu can't get any worse, so you should be fine [10:29] Ubuntu just did [10:29] (so that my main distro gets left alone behind the /slakroot (jail) [10:29] thrice`, now look here: http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-current/source/a/tar/tar.SlackBuild [10:29] have you seen 10.04? [10:29] hehe Ubuntu did, but kubuntu is ok [10:30] my friend has it on this server right here, I tell him its a sad excuse for a server [10:30] Ubuntu turned itself into the next OSX leopard! [10:30] I want to put arch or slackware on it so bad [10:30] JackStoner (~ezekiel@115.135.161.60) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:30] Action: fatalnix evily grins and gets his slackware discs [10:30] slava_dp, sorry, you're right. I thought -current didn't use it any longer, for some reason :( [10:30] who install my remote control of hp pavilion [10:30] oh! nevermind, I can just apt-get install slackware [10:30] fatalnix: Arch is ok :) ... I've tried that [10:31] and thrice` whatever you think about ubuntu I meant what I said I'm not about to break my kubuntu [10:31] Arch is what I am using on my desktop here right now, I still use slackware on my laptop. I wanted something new to play around with for a desktop that never sees beyond command line half the time. [10:31] (apt-get install slackware? I've never seen that package) [10:31] ubuntu s ucks [10:32] GhOsT-PR: I'm not arguing that, its a matter of opinion mostly [10:32] It's a fact [10:32] sorry i know [10:32] Slackware is the best [10:32] hmmm ... so is it doable or not? for arch all I had to do was run a script and it installed itself! no problem [10:32] **GRINS** [10:33] no argument there :D [10:33] even resumed downloads... [10:33] (unlike fedora) [10:33] Fedora is a sad excuse for an open linux traitor distribution. [10:33] ASdrubale (~fabio@93-45-142-15.ip102.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [10:33] join #Slax [10:33] oops forgot the / [10:33] lol [10:34] Slaz is NOT slackware! [10:34] slax* [10:34] yeah I know [10:34] does freenode support ssl ? [10:34] well it is and its not. [10:34] I have a slax liveCD [10:34] I have a firetruck livecd. [10:34] its kinda cute.. .and its slackware based, but its no slackware [10:34] hi everybody [10:34] Hey Asdrubale [10:35] who had try to use windowmaker in slackware ? [10:35] GhOsT-PR: yes [10:35] is zenlinux dead? and Wolvix? [10:35] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) joined ##slackware. [10:35] lots of slackware-based distros [10:35] ForgeAus: they're not slackware [10:35] i love it, but it's not better than fluxbox [10:35] (even Suse somewhere along the line is slackware-based ... although I don't get that one, it uses rpm's doesn't it?) [10:35] Hmm, I think wolvix is still available but I havent heard anything of it for a while, Zen I have no idea [10:35] ahh fluxbox :) I use that too [10:36] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [10:36] IF I use a GUI at all (usually only on my laptop) then its Fluxbox. [10:36] well I like GUIs I must admit [10:36] And I usually only use X to either use firefox or run more than 6 terminals. [10:36] I run an ircd with fluxbox running [10:36] mostly KDE but I can be comfy in fluxbox [10:36] and it's almost the same [10:37] as without a GUI [10:37] haha comfy [10:37] ForgeAus: suse has nothing to do with slackware. [10:38] ForgeAus: the only connection is a very ancient one, suse at one point was based on slackware. very, very long time ago, for a short period of time. [10:38] Suse is the brittish lizzar distro [10:38] I think [10:38] That's because Slackware ROCKS! [10:38] fatalnix: it's not british [10:38] isn't Novell the one doing Suse nowerdays? [10:39] |Slacker| (~cris@189.116.163.93) joined ##slackware. [10:39] ForgeAus: yes, novell bought suse [10:39] yes [10:39] snanke that expains why my linuxdistro timeline has it branching out from slackware... [10:39] I say that because Suse is the most common distro in europe haha. I know not all europeans are brittish, but most of the ones I know are [10:39] fatalnix: that's funny, most europeans don't think of british as europeans [10:39] KDE4 sat well on SUSE early in the peice apparently... not sure about nowerdays things might have changed since then [10:40] Really? [10:40] I'm American, So I couldn't tell honestly [10:40] but i don't want to try SUSE... [10:40] ForgeAus: then don't. nobody's telling you to do it [10:40] about the only rpm-based distro I'm interested in is PCLinuxOS [10:41] but this isn't the place for that lol [10:41] That name should die. [10:41] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:41] I agree, bad title but I didn't choose it [10:41] PCLinuxOS, I swear they came up with it as a way to make it sound like thats what you need for an x86 machine [10:41] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:42] its mandriva-based [10:42] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:42] fatalnix: i'm not sure where you got that idea, it's a bit nonsensical [10:42] hehe I remember once I had Win98SE using ZipSlack! [10:43] Well, its the way a lot of businesses like Microsoft work today, you know what I mean? [10:43] rab13s (~micemicer@core.routed.com) joined ##slackware. [10:43] I think because my processor was hyperthreaded it kept segfaulting! [10:43] And Linux isn't a business. [10:43] _marc` (~marc@i577B50D8.versanet.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:43] rab13s (~micemicer@core.routed.com) left irc: Client Quit [10:43] ForgeAus: unlikely [10:43] ok well there was something else making it segfault then [10:44] whatever the case, segfaulting was what happened to it commonly [10:44] fatalnix: there are plenty of businesses revolving around linux. regardless, what does that have to do with 'to make it sound like thats what you need for an x86 machine'? [10:44] I bet you are segfaulting because of code causing paging / segmentation issues. [10:44] :D [10:44] but I did some awefully experimental stuff like loading it in VMware [10:44] lol fatalnix how perceptive of you [10:45] the MSDOS fs thingy isn't available anymore but thats probably a good thing [10:45] (ubuntu's wubi runs quite nicely from NTFS as a hardfile tho) [10:46] _Strykar (~wakka@122.170.23.164) joined ##slackware. [10:46] AEnima1577g (~asdfjkl@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:47] ananke: If someone names their distro PCLinuxOS, there is most likely going to be many people who use it because they know they have a PC and they want a Linux OS, not because of the actual priciples and such of PCLinuxOS. [10:47] rab13s (~micemicer@core.routed.com) joined ##slackware. [10:47] Course, this will happen anyways regardless but its just a bit upsetting [10:47] _Strykar (~wakka@122.170.23.164) left irc: Client Quit [10:48] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.27.176) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:48] fatalnix: it's called marketting. and there are plenty of people who decide to try slackware because they think it's a cool name. [10:48] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:48] get over it [10:48] Years ago I had some friends who jumped right in on a distro when I described it even after telling them about the fact that there are many with different principles and approaches, and because of that, they now hate Linux. [10:48] Action: ForgeAus tries d/ling pkgtools [10:49] rab13s (~micemicer@core.routed.com) left irc: Client Quit [10:49] sinuhe (~sinuhe@ip65-44-231-178.z231-44-65.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [10:49] Yeah. But to be honest. Marketing sucks. [10:49] fatalnix: so you're the one who can be blamed for their dislike of linux [10:49] \/s/t/tt [10:50] rab13s (~micemicer@core.routed.com) joined ##slackware. [10:50] I suppose so, but Its like if they read more about them and took their time on things it may have been different [10:50] hehe fatalnix does that mean slackwares principles are being lax? [10:50] nah [10:50] they're slack [10:50] Slackware is amazing [10:51] Got all the control in the world and everything you need to get going in a base system for just about any purpose [10:51] And the cd's arent fricking 80 GIGS and size [10:51] in size* [10:52] right. show me a cd that has 80GB image. [10:52] Action: fatalnix looks at CD #30 on debian ftp and cringes. ananke: you know what I mean. [10:53] fatalnix: right, so you have one example of a distro that has so many cd images available. [10:53] ananke: dd if=/dev/zero of=image.iso bs=10240 count=80 [10:53] :P [10:53] straterra: bs=1G :) [10:53] lol [10:53] with just pkgtools alone can I chroot? [10:53] fatalnix: debian also has netinstall isos, etc. not sure what your point is [10:53] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.23.164) joined ##slackware. [10:53] v4nelle (~van@79.107.196.122) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:54] Yeah I know, I use to use the 32 mb cd's or whatever they were [10:54] business card cd's [10:54] The whole thing just doesn't feel right, is all [10:54] lol [10:54] fatalnix: so what exactly are you saying then? [10:55] nooneelse (~brunodeol@201.90.155.112) joined ##slackware. [10:55] be honest. when it comes to available media, slackware doesn't have anything to offer that other distros don't have [10:55] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:55] nooneelse (~brunodeol@201.90.155.112) left irc: Changing host [10:55] nooneelse (~brunodeol@unaffiliated/nooneelse) joined ##slackware. [10:55] ...Somebody set up us the nubfarm? :D [10:55] yeah I know, [10:58] uh chroot doesn't work without a /bin/bash in /slakroot [10:58] so how do I Get a /bin/bash there? [10:58] ForgeAus: of course [10:58] you copy it there. [10:58] (without modding any other part of my kubuntu ? (than /slakroot) [10:58] just copy? thats all? [10:58] rab13s (~micemicer@core.routed.com) left irc: Quit: routing error [10:58] don't I need to d/l a package? [10:59] or install? [10:59] along with all the necessary libraries [10:59] i'm not sure what you're trying to achieve, so i can't answer that [10:59] I'm trying to make a chroot jail for slackware [10:59] (under a directory /slakroot) [10:59] rab13s (~micemicer@core.routed.com) joined ##slackware. [10:59] (I limited them all to 4char abbrevs to be consistant) [11:00] out of curiosity, why doing chroot? what are you trying to accomplish? [11:01] jhw (~jhw@p57982A28.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:01] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:01] kannan (~kannan@122.164.175.52) joined ##slackware. [11:01] uh why does ti matter? I learned alot from doing it with archlinux... its also a place I can install .tgz's without breaking my kubuntu [11:02] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:02] it also lets me try stuff (like a sandbox, can always remake it) [11:02] rab13s (~micemicer@core.routed.com) left irc: Client Quit [11:02] I know I could use virtualization but I don't want to make a hardfile... [11:03] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:03] hello, I am using slack 12.1 ; i built autossh from slackbuilds.org. I appreciate if someone can tell me how to use it in non-interactive way , i.e no human to enter the password, so i can use to always login in reverse IP tunnel [11:03] ForgeAus: it matters, because based on your goals i can properly asses your problem and recommend a solution [11:03] i want to put that line in rc.local or cron it [11:04] ok, not cron it , put in rc.local [11:04] I can mount -o bind /dev /home, and stuff... [11:04] ForgeAus: and i'm not sure what you mean by a 'hard file'. it's either a file, or it's not, there is nothing 'hard' about files [11:04] ananke yeah but your going to tell me what I should or shouldn't do right? [11:04] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:05] alreadygone (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [11:05] lol I agree its just a term to refer to a hard-drive as a file (like virtualizers do... its not meant to mean theres anything hard about the file itself) [11:05] Nick change: alreadygone -> Oak [11:05] ForgeAus: i can't guess what i'm going to tell you, without knowing what you're trying to do [11:05] will someone please take a look at the examples in the contrab man page, i feel like the last one is incorrect, but could be wrong [11:05] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [11:05] *but I could be wrong. [11:05] ForgeAus: no product uses the nomenclature of 'hard files' [11:06] I told you what I'm trying to do , bootstrap slackware to /slakroot in my current (host) kubuntu install [11:06] really? I assumed it was a commercial term, I've been using it for a long time in computer emulation circles [11:07] ForgeAus: 'bootstrap' involves booting, and you're talking about chroot [11:07] This is odd... [11:07] (ie Amiga or Macintosh hardfiles, referring to the file that stores the hard-disk data) [11:07] rab13s (~micemicer@core.routed.com) joined ##slackware. [11:07] I think thats where I first come across it [11:07] (.vhd's and qemu's .img's are examples of hardfiles) [11:08] even wubi's .dsk's! [11:08] ForgeAus: google disagrees [11:08] in df -ah lol for usr: Used: 844M, Available: 74G, Size: 79G [11:08] what does google call a hardfile then? [11:08] rab13s (~micemicer@core.routed.com) left irc: Client Quit [11:08] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:08] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [11:08] I just found it funny how I'm missing a few gigs [11:08] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:08] ForgeAus: google returns very little results on 'hard file' with your definition, therefore it's not a common term [11:09] ForgeAus: my files are soft [11:09] rab13s (~micemicer@core.routed.com) joined ##slackware. [11:09] try this: http://www.lemonamiga.com/help/tutorial_1/1.php [11:09] ouch lemonamiga? Really? who come up wiht that name? [11:09] anyway yes files are software [11:10] its just an expression you don't need to take it so literally [11:10] Actually it was more of a sick joke [11:10] and I'm not the one that made it up [11:10] files are not software [11:10] kannan (~kannan@122.164.175.52) left irc: [11:10] Files are instead, delicious. [11:10] they're not hardware [11:10] most of the references I saw to it in google are from amiga emulation but its not just amiga emulation that uses hardfiles [11:11] software can be stored in files, but not all files represent software [11:11] I shouldn't have had that extra few bowls of cereal [11:11] a bit hyperactive [11:11] (macintosh emulators that use .hfv format call them hardfiles too, so does qemu and so did andLinux - a colinux-based "distro" for Windows) [11:11] ForgeAus: even on the link you gave us there is no mention of 'hard file' [11:12] the hard in hard files refers to a hard link as opposed to a soft link [11:12] I said 'hardfile' not hard file [11:12] Axius (~fd@92.82.80.15) joined ##slackware. [11:12] ForgeAus: same thing. not on that page [11:12] Skywise: i'm aware of the difference between symlinks and hardlinks [11:13] interestin gyou right, I wonder why google picked it up if its not mentioned there [11:14] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:14] ananke: whats the URL for your Slackware mirror? [11:14] straterra: http://mirrors.vbi.vt.edu [11:14] Thanks [11:15] ananke how about this one: http://macintroid.tripod.com/help/hfvexplorer.html [11:15] definitely uses the term hardfile in the title [11:15] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [11:15] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:15] pretty old stuff tho [11:16] ForgeAus: indeed. which proves to be a very obscure, and uncommon term. time to move on [11:16] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:16] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:16] http://www.amigaforever.com/kb/13-156 (another link to using hardfile) [11:16] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:17] well if you like you can call it a harddrive image, same thing [11:17] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:18] or simply an image. i'm pointing out that you're using nomenclature that's no longer widely accepted [11:18] http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1249&forum=1&post_id=10275&PHPSESSID=86386b35c18ccfbed8332ddb4e973ac5 (uses hardfile somewhere) [11:18] wat do you mean no longer accepted? [11:18] its still being used [11:18] most virtualizers use hard drive images (aka hardfile) [11:19] (some also can use physical partitions too) [11:19] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.244) joined ##slackware. [11:19] ForgeAus: just because they use the same ideas, doesn't mean the term is still applicable or common. [11:20] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) joined ##slackware. [11:20] however common it is, I'm using it, deal with it [11:20] :) [11:20] frankly I'm suprised you havn't come across it before [11:20] same thing for 'virtualizer', not a very common concept [11:20] what virtualization software then? ... [11:20] How can I use a kernel-generic [11:20] s/concept/term [11:21] ForgeAus: virtualization software, hypervisor, etc. [11:21] How can I use a kernel-generic with initrd? [11:21] ananke whats oing on here, are you just being anal or is there some reason your acting this way? [11:21] I'm fairly sure in context my meaning was clear (even if you hadn't come across the term(s) before I've explained what I meant... haven't I? why isn't that enough? [11:22] ForgeAus: i'm discussing with you the acceptance of the term you use. seems you're under the impression it's a common term, i tend to disagree. not sure why you think it would qualify as 'anal' [11:22] ForgeAus: by now the context is clear, i'm no longer talking about it. neither you are. we're discussing how common it is [11:23] why I'm calling it anal is for the reason expressed earlier, you first trpped me up on it, I explained what I meant, yet you still refused to accept that as valid communication.... I don't understand why [11:23] no your discussing how common it is [11:23] ForgeAus: i never said it was invalid. i said it's not a common nomenclature [11:23] ASdrubale (~fabio@93-45-142-15.ip102.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:23] chio_ (~chio@93.86.81.200) joined ##slackware. [11:24] I rarely hear people using the term nomenclature in fact I barely even know what it means... in context it sounds relatively synonymous with "term" [11:24] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:24] '11:18 ForgeAus> however common it is, I'm using it, deal with it' [11:24] hehe I'm happy to deal with it... [11:25] I want to setup a git repo on another computer that I can commit to. is there something special for this [11:25] so can we get on with the /bin/bash thing? [11:26] nomenclature is part of english language, and it's used quite commonly. in fact, according to google, it's 275 times more common than 'hardfile' [11:26] how to disable auto monitor check in xorg.conf? i915 asus eee. Pc won't boot without monitor hooked to it. [11:26] get on with it ForgeAus [11:26] do you suggest I copy kubuntu's /bin/bash ? or is all this pedantic chatter just a diversion of some kind? [11:26] what is the bash problem ? [11:27] because your not certain what I need to create the chroot jail? [11:27] chio_: it should boot, just not to runlevel 4/5 [11:27] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-pbcjpdkarnfovpfq) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:27] ForgeAus: if i were pedantic, i'd point out that you're confusing "your" for "you're" [11:27] fhobia currently I tried chrooting to a directory I created for a chroot jail intended to house a Slackware system (I called it /slakroot) [11:27] ananke, yeah need running X for VNC purposes. Need the actual desktop [11:28] I know its something dcc off or dcc no [11:28] chio_: ahh, in that case try xnest [11:28] ut when I chroot there it complains about /bin/bash, pecifically the error message: chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory [11:28] Does /slakroot/bin/bash exist? [11:29] Does anyone know to boot a system useing generc-kernel with initrd? [11:29] ananke I'm aware of that you're vs your thing but if I really had to get it right, it would take me forever to type, and generally context sorts out which one I mean for the most part, as incorrect as it is sometimes [11:29] ASdrubale (~fabio@93-45-142-15.ip102.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [11:29] no /slakroot/bin/bash does not exist [11:29] Axius: have you checked out /boot/README.initrd? it may have some tips [11:29] sofar only extracted pkgtools from the package of the same name [11:30] (into /slakroot) [11:30] pkgtools is nothing more than a set of bash scripts. you need bash to execute them [11:30] fhobia: I dont have no such file or directory: /boot/README.initrd [11:30] Axius: thats weird...you didn't do a full install ? [11:30] ananke fine ... but the bash scripts aren't whats botherin gme, its having no /bin/bash that bothers me [11:30] ananke, thanks [11:31] ForgeAus: uhmm, why do you think bash should be there? you didn't put it there [11:31] (and I think its best I get slackwares /bin/bash for it because at least I know I can trust that one for the chroot [11:31] ananke, whatever made you think I expected it to be there? [11:31] fhobia: I did not do a full install. [11:31] ForgeAus:If it doesn't exist..why would you think it could chroot? [11:31] What's IN your chroot? [11:31] I was asking how to get it [11:32] ForgeAus: because you're repeating the error that's shown, and not following through on it [11:32] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@190.176.148.214) joined ##slackware. [11:32] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@190.176.148.214) left irc: Changing host [11:32] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [11:32] (note: I wasn't aware I needed it to chroot because I hadn't needed to do that explicity for archlinux, he one I tried earlier already set all that stuff up for me from a script automatically) [11:32] I believe upgradepkg will take a prefix/path [11:32] ForgeAus: maybe in your quest to shorten your communication you forgot to ask a question 'how do i get bash in that chroot' [11:32] Axius: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/README.initrd [11:32] ananke I din't repeat the chroot attempt [11:33] grr (typo, didn't) [11:33] Axius: hopefully that should give you some tips - it seems to have a kernel-generic example in there too [11:33] fhobia: ok, thanks. [11:33] Axius: the fact that you don't have this file may indicate you need to install some packages though... [11:33] stratera I think I already explanied that I copied the contents of the pkgtools package to /slackroot, thats all thats there currently [11:33] so do the same thing with bash [11:34] and ananke you said to put /bin/bash there, fine but you neglected to suggest how [11:34] ForgeAus: Use upgradepkg [11:34] ForgeAus: because you never asked how [11:34] ok so in the /a directoryI got pkgtools theres a bash package too? [11:34] Get the slackware packages you want in the chroot..use upgradepk to install them in to the chroot [11:34] That's the easiest way [11:34] I'm fairly certain I did ask how earlier (or at least ithought I did) [11:34] nooneelse (~brunodeol@unaffiliated/nooneelse) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [11:35] starterra my base OS isn't slackware [11:35] ForgeAus: let's get something straight. you're building a chroot, because you've done it in the past, and somehow that solution appeals to you. certain level of knowledge at this point is assumed. if you were able to extract A, then you should be able to do the same thing with B [11:35] I need to chroot before I install any packages don't I? [11:35] i think there is a --root flag for installpkg/upgradepkg, ForgeAus [11:35] Oh..the base OS isn't Slackware. You failed to mention that. [11:35] if you have nothing in your chroot, then you can't do much anything cause you won't have all the unix tools that those tools need like tar and such :P [11:35] yeah there is someone told me earlier [11:36] straterra sorry, too busy reading ananke's lines [11:36] I'm just going to hunt for the bash package [11:36] and copy that in its respective place [11:36] ...ok [11:36] ne7work (ne7work@78.83.153.108) joined ##slackware. [11:36] hello all [11:36] i need some help [11:36] Heh..that isn't going to work [11:37] how to choose partition to install slackware [11:37] But have fun with you're chroot [11:37] cfdisk /dev/sda4? [11:37] uh but first, whats a .txz? [11:37] or what? [11:37] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [11:37] ne7work: Read the slackbook, for one [11:37] (an .xz'd tar?) [11:37] For you..you don't partition a partition [11:37] ne7work: the installer will ask you [11:37] You partition a disk..so..cfdisk /dev/sda [11:37] i just forget i remember [11:37] cfdisk /dev/sda4 [11:37] ? [11:37] NO [11:37] hmm [11:37] how? [11:37] i don't remember please [11:37] .. [11:37] say me [11:37] I just TOLD YOU HOW [11:38] i need only this step [11:38] .. [11:38] ne7work: enter key is not a punctuation mark. quit hitting it [11:38] slackbook"? [11:38] straterra ok if its not going to work how do I get a /slakroot/bin/bash ? [11:38] slackbook? [11:38] Less enter, more read [11:38] ne7work: he said cfdisk /dev/sda [11:38] 11:35 < straterra> For you..you don't partition a partition [11:38] 11:35 < straterra> You partition a disk..so..cfdisk /dev/sda [11:38] ForgeAus: you need more than bash for a chroot [11:38] cfdisk /dev/sda4 [11:38] i have 4 partitions [11:38] ... [11:38] o_o [11:38] No [11:38] straterra :) thx for the tip, so what do I need? [11:38] rofffl [11:39] Do you see a 4 at the end of my command? [11:39] I said cfdisk /dev/sda [11:39] kk [11:39] tnx [11:39] .. [11:39] (I recall originally asking how to bootstrap slackware) [11:39] ne7work (ne7work@78.83.153.108) left irc: Client Quit [11:39] That isn't bootstrapping [11:39] ASdrubale (~fabio@93-45-142-15.ip102.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:39] well archlinux called it that [11:39] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) joined ##slackware. [11:39] also debootstrap and febootstrap (for debian and fedora respectively) call it that [11:40] Your best bet would be to get ALL of the slackware packages..and use installpkg/upgradepkg from your 'host' OS and install them all in to the chroot [11:40] using the --root flag, am I right ? [11:40] :3 [11:40] straterra so how do I installpkg without breaking my "host" OS? [11:40] fhobia: yes [11:40] yes phobia I belive your right [11:41] xenor (~xenor-fre@s15279632.onlinehome-server.info) joined ##slackware. [11:41] grr believe (if I can type it correctly) [11:41] :) s'ok i got it [11:41] yep. saving a lot of time there [11:41] ForgeAus: Nab the scripts from a Slackware machine? [11:41] xenor (xenor-fre@s15279632.onlinehome-server.info) left ##slackware ("Verlassend"). [11:41] Or unpack the archive from the pkgtools package [11:42] I alredy did unpakc the pkgtools package in /slakroot remember [11:42] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [11:42] alisonken1home: :) my wap with hidden ssid was appearing in wicd but it has a displayed essid "dd-wrt_vap" instead [11:42] is there and ETA on 13.1 release? [11:42] ForgeAus: Not in the chroot [11:42] On your host machine somewhere [11:42] jgeboski: no, but soon ? [11:42] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:43] fhobia: i figured that much [11:43] jgeboski: take 13.0's release date and add 7.5 months to it [11:43] uh slackroot is on my host machine, but you mean somewhere other than the chroot jail I"m looking to create?I can do that... [11:43] (just copy them to a tmp location right?) [11:43] Yes.. [11:44] Then install all of the slackware packages (rsync from a tree or from a disk) and use installpkg [11:45] done [11:46] ok install using installpkg --root=/slakroot ? [11:46] Yes [11:46] But you need all of the Slackware packages [11:46] ok what exactly do you mean by all the slackware packages? [11:46] I mean..all of the Slackware packages. [11:46] those in /a etc? [11:47] Like I said, rsync them from a mirror or a disk [11:47] Yes [11:47] I don't know rsync how do I use that? [11:47] you need the directory structure from a mirror or disk [11:47] man rsync [11:47] (doesn't installpkg let me configure a mirror or something? [11:47] No [11:48] ok [11:48] Installpkg installs a package on a machine from a local file system. Nothing more [11:49] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [11:50] pireau (1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [11:51] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-6-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:51] tsccof (~tsccof@201-89-152-19.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:53] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: Bang Bang!!!! [11:53] hmmm [11:53] hmmm monday. [11:53] i prefer sunday. [11:53] XD [11:54] instead of using rsync I think I might just ftp with krusader and copy! [11:54] uh..have fun with that [11:54] dvel (dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:54] thats fine too [11:54] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [11:55] overall, sounds like a great way to get turned off to slackware. personally, i wouldn't be attempting that [11:55] rsync -av rsync:// . didn't like me [11:55] because that's not a valid rsync syntax [11:55] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:56] I'm reinstalling a computer with a shitload of partitions and I think there' s a bug in the installer: it only shows 5 partitions (which is how many it can display at once) and for all other partitions, it says 'done addin partitions, continue with setup" [11:56] so I end up with the "done adding" about 10 times [11:56] known bug? my fault? anything else [11:56] can you get around the problem ok, adrien ? [11:56] Candinho (~Candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) joined ##slackware. [11:56] (damn, typing with two fingers unusable is painful) [11:56] ananke I actually typed in the URL/path (not used actual < >'s but your probably right I'm not familiar with the rsync command that much [11:57] _Jim_ (~Jim@058-050-080-189.macapaonline.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:57] fhobia: I'm installing on one of the partitions listed so it isn't a problem for me but still looks like a bad bug [11:57] adrien: yeah, doesn't sound so good [11:57] adrien: na you'll finish them after the installation [11:57] nooneelse (~brunodeol@201.90.155.112) joined ##slackware. [11:58] Axius (~fd@92.82.80.15) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:58] ipuls (~ipuls@202.70.54.120) joined ##slackware. [11:58] no, wait, it's a bit different; it displays the partitions of type "linux" as expected and maybe lists all of them but why the (again) five "done adding"? [11:59] good night all [11:59] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [11:59] Candinho (~Candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) left irc: Client Quit [11:59] tsccof (~tsccof@201-89-152-19.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [12:00] oops got my destination and source mixed up! [12:00] XD [12:01] see thats what happens when I read through manpages! too muich info... by the end of it I've forgotten the bits I need [12:01] yeah [12:01] ahhhhh, typing is horrible ='( [12:01] or (what normally happens is I try to skip to what I need but that doesn't work out too well either) [12:02] adrien: why only two fingers man? [12:02] anyway its getting late I might have to try this some other time [12:02] ForgeAus: yeah, you have to be patient and read well ...ok, night [12:02] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:03] but before i go strattera are you sure the tar I have is going to work for this installpkg thing? [12:03] (if your still there) [12:03] yeah, cause *.txz ad *.tgz are compressed archives [12:03] but you have that on your host machine [12:04] I know .tar and .xz utils are on my PC but not the slackware ones, and slackware is fussy which tar app it uses isn't it? [12:05] I have a feeling somethings missing other than the rsync'd packages [12:05] just try it [12:05] like how's installpkg going to know which sbin dir to use for example? [12:06] what? [12:06] (coz I havn't yet told it) [12:06] just try what i told you [12:06] ohh kay [12:06] edthix (~ed@175.144.229.97) joined ##slackware. [12:06] but later, I'll do tha tomorrow, too late to start a big operation [12:06] night! [12:06] seeya [12:06] ForgeAus (arthur@112.141.69.208) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [12:07] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:07] kept reading the nick as "ForgeAnus" [12:07] nooneelse (~brunodeol@201.90.155.112) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:08] nooneelse (~brunodeol@201.90.155.112) joined ##slackware. [12:11] fhobia: Probably says a lot about you. [12:12] fhobia: took the words out my mouth =P [12:12] i mean adamk* [12:13] fhobia: no, with two fingers barely usable [12:13] wow, that's the fastest i've copied 20G over the network.. even tho i was complaining about the time it took [12:13] but relatively, 50MB/s is hella quick! [12:13] did 65MB/s at some point but I think I was disk and/or cpu bound [12:14] Suhana (~vash@217.42.44.229) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:14] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-189-154.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [12:16] VoraZBR (~VoraZBR@unaffiliated/vorazbr) joined ##slackware. [12:16] Action: phrag wonders if his bug fix will make it into 13.1 [12:17] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [12:18] eggdbus looks like unreliable crap [12:18] Suhana (~vash@host81-158-117-21.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [12:18] (it has even less documentation than my least-documented project) [12:18] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [12:18] and no homepage [12:18] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:20] anyone know how to got at the RAM on a 2005-ish Vaio? [12:21] nooneelse (~brunodeol@201.90.155.112) left irc: Changing host [12:21] nooneelse (~brunodeol@unaffiliated/nooneelse) joined ##slackware. [12:21] phrag: i hope 13.1 stays rc for quite a while.. theres a fair number of issues been found already. [12:22] phrag: i nearly destroyed my career because or a bug between LVM and DRBD in rc1 [12:22] |Slacker| (~cris@189.116.163.93) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:22] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:23] Axius (~fd@92.82.80.15) joined ##slackware. [12:23] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:25] Zordrak: destroyed your career over lvm? that's a hell of a bug. [12:26] Also, I happen to have a 2004-era Vaio in front of me, with the ram exposed [12:26] Zordrak: fuck, really? [12:27] phrag: really really [12:27] phrag: massive data corruption [12:27] eviljames, y ou hear about norm chomsky or whatever getting denied entrance to israel ? lol [12:27] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Client exiting [12:27] eviljames: its ok.. found the manual.. thanks though [12:27] Zordrak: i found the issue with LVM/LUKS, it was that LVM isn't ran after adiditional LVM containers are opened [12:28] Zordrak: shit man, that's bad... i have been worried as i use -current with lvm/luks for my work laptop [12:28] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-133-223.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:28] the issue was on my home box, but LVM should rescan after additional LUKS devs are opened [12:29] heh, setup is telling me it has a detected OS/2's boot manager ;p [12:30] phrag: i think perhaps we should get pat to revert LVM [12:30] jeev: hahahah yeah, when they said to him "our gov't doesn't like what you say," apparently he replied: "I don't think _any_ government likes what I have to say." [12:30] jeev: I'm surprised he didn't get shipped straight to gaza. [12:31] Axius (~fd@92.82.80.15) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:31] adamk: phrag: XD [12:32] k1 (~kd@90-154-138-225.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [12:32] phrag: how sure are you that you're dealing with an LVM bug? [12:34] I had an issue with -current and its kernel : md-mod.ko as an external module which wasn't loading at startup ... [12:35] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [12:35] oh my shitty jesus. CEOs laptop has uber RAM failure.. so i go to check it out to find what replacement I need... only to find it has 512M or non-removable fscking RAM(!!) [12:36] hopefully you can remove the hard drive and put it another computer, right? =) [12:36] not if i want windows to actually boot [12:37] no, its the info [12:37] Action: eviljames writes down "oh my shitty jesus" [12:37] Axius (~fd@92.82.80.15) joined ##slackware. [12:37] hmm, you can probably do with windows, but I'm already off, later =) [12:37] k1 (~kd@90-154-138-225.btc-net.bg) left irc: [12:37] bizarrely enough.. ive taken out the removable one and ive yet to get a memtest error (13% so far) even though the errors before were on very low ranges [12:38] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.34.212) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:38] I don't know if it's just confirmation bias, or what the deal is, but anytime I've tried to run memtest on Kingston ram, it takes ~48hours to see failure. [12:39] _Jim_ (~Jim@058-050-080-189.macapaonline.com.br) left irc: Quit: _Jim_ [12:39] the only brand i've had issues with is kingston [12:39] im just going by the fact that i ran it half an hour ago and got 300,000 errors in one pass.. ive just taken a stick out and have yet to get an error at 23% [12:39] ls [12:40] >.> [12:40] i like the high end corsair [12:40] we used to always buy micron / crucial here up until like '04 [12:41] crucial made nice sticks too [12:41] i always use crucial [12:41] its cheap, gets here fast and is guaranteed ccompatible [12:41] they stopped accepting our POs ; ; [12:41] adaptr (~adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) left irc: Changing host [12:41] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) joined ##slackware. [12:41] i think they didn't do the LAUSD dog and pony show to remain a vendor [12:41] lol [12:42] they just didn't want to take ious [12:42] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:42] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:42] oh yeah, someone was suggesting raid10 over raid5 and said they would give you the same amount of space with 6 drives... that was wrong >.> [12:42] credit is a problem when the country knows you're broke [12:42] ipuls (~ipuls@202.70.54.120) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:43] nooneelse (~brunodeol@unaffiliated/nooneelse) left irc: [12:43] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:45] it seems that when kingston finds a bad batch series (through random quality control) it lets vendors know it can put them on sale (not recall, gasp) [12:45] Necos: raid5 is negligent if the size is >500G. RAID6, RAID10 or higher. [12:45] seems like it [12:45] Zordrak, that wasn't my point :) [12:45] Necos: nonetheless. It does make a number of RAID5 discussions entirely moo. [12:46] "negligent" ? [12:46] raid5 > raid10 in terms of space given a set number of drives, that's all [12:46] I get this error : configure:2595: error: C compiler cannot create executables while trying to compile a package from source. [12:46] phrag: didnt quite catch.. is it LVM's fault.. or slack's fault? [12:47] adaptr: too tired and busy to explain.. ask me tomorrow or later [12:47] AEnima1577g (~asdfjkl@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: No route to host [12:47] phrag: (for not poking LVM to rescan) [12:48] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/high-availability-storage-with-slackware-drbd-pacemaker/ <--- adaptr [12:48] Necos: ty [12:49] np [12:50] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [12:51] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [12:52] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.34.212) joined ##slackware. [12:54] Zordrak: interesting read [12:55] Zordrak: ty [12:55] heheh [12:55] you are tired [12:55] schoene (~mark@cpe-65-189-215-224.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:55] ridiculously so. I worked all weekend up to 2am last night and have spent all day today in hell and im gonna be here sate [12:55] *late [12:56] I know the feeling, I hope you get recompensed somehow [12:56] adaptr: barely [12:56] and all this is because theres just no working combination of drbd+lvm+xfs+nfs [12:57] every "stable" combination has a major bug somewhere [12:57] have you tried JFS ? is that extra 10% performance that important ? [12:57] I've been using LVM+JFS happily for years [12:58] XFS is fine.. theres just one specific bug im dealing with [12:58] hopefully thi-s patch will fix it.. but i cant test it till everyone's gone home [12:58] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:59] the machine i would be testing it with without requiring downtime is currently up shit creek corrupting any data it sees [12:59] that reminds me... I will expand my home raid soon too, want to do some more testing there (LVM vs no LVM, FSs) [12:59] and i dont have time to roll it back to slackware64-13.0.. i need to fix this bug now [13:00] ugh, no fun [13:00] lf4 (~KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:00] um just glad i dropped pacemaker [13:00] you have two, right ? isn't it posisble to disbale drbd tempraritly while you fix one active node ? [13:00] sheesh, I need speling lecons [13:00] your running -current on a production server? [13:00] XGizzmo: I tested -rc1 on one of two failover nodes [13:01] ahh [13:01] XGizzmo: PURELY because i needed to get around a bug in slackware-13.0's 2.6.29.6 kernel [13:01] but it was MUCH MUCH worse [13:01] different bug, but massive data corruption [13:01] so now im trying to patch the shit out of the 2.6.29.6 to make the damn thing work [13:02] but my test strategy involves setting up on the slave and then failing over and then back if necessarpy [13:02] but at the moment my slave is rc1 and corrupting the shit out of data [13:02] so im waiting for everyone to go home so i can reboot into the patched kernel and test it [13:03] where is the compiz configruation file? [13:03] desperately trying not to simultaneously suffer a nervous breakdown an embolism and a coronary [13:03] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:03] schoene (~mark@cpe-65-189-215-224.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:04] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-189-154.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:04] There is not compiz configuration file. [13:04] XGizzmo, it must be [13:04] i think its a user specific dotfile [13:04] not sure [13:04] check the package log [13:05] /usr/include/compiz/*.* ? [13:06] with .h extension [13:06] those are headers [13:06] oooh [13:06] Anyone bootd 13.1 rc sucessfully? [13:06] rab13s: yes [13:06] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [13:06] i have a laptop running it [13:06] rab13s: yes [13:07] /usr/share/apps/ksmserver/windowmanagers/compiz.desktop ? [13:07] pupit: no [13:07] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:07] I'm gonna give it a shot tonight on my lapy. I'm trying it right now on a virtualbox and it seems stuck in a loop [13:08] /usr/share/compiz/ xml-s ? [13:08] pupit: is there nothing it /etc? [13:08] Zordrak: no [13:08] 2.6.34: stable [13:08] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [13:09] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:09] ~/.config/compiz/compizconfig [13:09] there is no default config. it must be generated [13:09] There really is no system wide compiz config file. [13:09] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:10] And that config file (under ~/.config/compiz/compizconfig ) is only applicable if you install compiz-fusion and use the ccp plugin when starting compiz. [13:10] Which Slackware does not ship with. [13:10] bleh [13:10] Zordrak: thanks, i always forget to look in ~ -adamk thanks [13:10] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Client Quit [13:12] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:12] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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[13:26] when is it due for release? [13:26] i had heard that it would come out last friday [13:26] from whom? [13:26] shonudo: ffs. idf you googled that question even once youd know you wont get an answer [13:27] someone here was speculating [13:27] zordrak, never thought of googling it [13:27] ok then i'll speculate it will come out mid 2032 [13:27] xsamurai (~munki@75.85.164.183) joined ##slackware. [13:27] nice; have you packed supplies for the wait? [13:27] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [13:29] don't feed the trolls [13:30] i don't think anyone knows when it will be out, but you can already get the first release candidate. that's what i was checking just now [13:30] GhOsT-PR (~ghost@24.139.229.79) joined ##slackware. [13:30] Zordrak, if you have 6 x 160GB drives, raid 5, you'd get 640GB and with raid10, you'd get 480GB, right? [13:31] jimi, what do you think? [13:31] about what? [13:31] about the rc [13:31] i have 13.1 beta on my laptop... runs fine [13:31] i haven't tried it yet [13:31] ah [13:31] altho, there seems to be an issue with audacious and spurious UTF8 warnings [13:33] I get this error with trying to install packages with slackpkg:/var/cache/packages/slackware/ap# /usr/libexec/slackpkg/core-functions.sh: line 52: tput: command not found [13:33] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:33] wtf are you doing Axius? [13:33] Axius: that happens on every package? [13:34] Axius: do you have slackpkg-2.81.1-noarch-1 installed ? [13:34] jimi: yes [13:34] Necos: depends how many hot spares you have [13:34] Necos: yes [13:35] Necos: hold on, no. raid5=n-1, so it would be more: 800GB [13:35] paissad (~paissad@fac34-10-83-152-130-156.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:35] the way i have the drive setup now, it's raid5 with a hot spare [13:35] so 4+1+1 [13:35] Nick change: oobe -> OoObe [13:35] Necos: so 4x160G [13:35] then say so :) [13:36] Necos: at that point consider raid6, instead of raid5+hotspare [13:36] chio (~chio@93.86.81.200) joined ##slackware. [13:36] I would raid5 5 of them and still have a HS [13:36] in fact i do [13:36] card i have doesn't do raid6 [13:36] *RAID6 [13:36] chio (~chio@93.86.81.200) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:36] Necos: raid10 [13:36] Necos: ahh [13:36] screw the capacity [13:36] well, amongst a bunch of students, they actually care about available drive capacity lol [13:36] that depends on the purpose [13:37] xsamurai: slackpkg - version 2.80.2 [13:37] saying 'screw capacity' is shortsighted [13:37] ananke: in that if it really mattered, theyd spend their way out of it [13:37] this is a storage server for the students [13:37] Zordrak, it's not that simple, heh... [13:38] Zordrak: remind me, how is your storage working? [13:38] a hundred gig isnt a bad price to pay for decent storage and decent redundancy [13:38] ananke: the RAID part is working perfectly [13:38] ananke: itl SVM thats shitting on my toadstools [13:38] *LVM [13:38] Zordrak: the extension of it: if it mattered, you'd spend money on it, right? [13:38] :) [13:38] lol [13:39] i did... £7k [13:39] Axius: well core-functions.sh is part of that pkg, see if the file exists in the specified directory [13:39] obviously not enough [13:39] chio_ (~chio@93.86.81.200) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:39] lol [13:39] 160 gigs actually [13:39] ananke: thats comparing a goat to a speedboat [13:39] Necos: are we talking about your ghetto school setups again [13:40] figuratively of course [13:40] xsamurai, stfu >.> [13:40] Zordrak: well, if it matters, you'd be spending more money to get it working right :) [13:40] on the subject of storage, anybody have experience with panasas products? [13:40] with the Lausd's horrible rating at the national level they shouldn't give nothing but rocks and pitchforks to work with [13:41] ananke: you cant easilyf throw money at an LVM bug.. you can throw money at SATA disks [13:41] Zordrak: you can throw money at different technologies [13:41] ananke: that requires more than money.. it requires time and disruption.. neither of which i have [13:42] but it all boils down to: even raid0 has applications [13:42] have/have the ability to withstand [13:42] ananke: if its backed up [13:42] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.165) joined ##slackware. [13:42] Zordrak: not if the data is of no concern [13:42] xsamurai: is there [13:43] Zordrak: gotta think outside of the box. not everybody's needs are the same as yours, same thing with priorities [13:43] ananke: data is always a concern.. just less so if you have a rapid deployment configuration or a backup [13:43] well, in my case, all i have is this promise sx6000 and an escalade 7508 [13:43] or if you just couldnt give a toss if your gamaing rig needs a complete reinstall at any moment [13:43] and the promise card, fwiw, is a pita to deal with... it seems as if it's causing the data corruption [13:43] for some of our purposes it's cheaper to blow through the data than to back it up [13:44] ananke, not in my case :P [13:44] at least i got my dell poweredge on slack64-13 :) [13:44] Necos: SC440? [13:44] Necos: certainly. that's why each case should be evaluated on its own merits :) [13:44] Axius: im sorry i misread your original question, you need tput , see its saying its missing on line 52 of core-functions.sh , tput is found in ncurses pkg [13:45] AEnima1577g (~asdfjkl@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:45] Necos: i recently installed slack64-13 on a new dell poweredge. dual amd opterons with 6 cores each and 32GB of ram :) [13:45] 2950 (my poweredge) [13:45] the other poweredge i have here is on win2k3-64 [13:45] meh [13:45] xsamurai: In which series i find tput? [13:46] Necos: running top and seeing 12 cpus is fun :) [13:46] i have dual-core2s [13:46] jimi: or 12 Tuxs on boot [13:46] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [13:46] Axius, reread the note from xsamurai [13:46] Zordrak: i didn't configure it to show tux [13:46] Necos: and which raid controller does it have? [13:46] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:47] Lord_Khelben (~null@188.4.251.185.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:47] In which series i find ncurses? [13:47] Axius: slackpkg search ncurses [13:47] xsamurai: I cant install it with slackpkg. [13:47] won't he have a problem installing via slackpkg if slackpkg isn't working? [13:47] lol [13:48] Axius, but a quick check of the repository shows ncurses is in the L/ series [13:48] too bad installpkg can't install from pipes [13:48] ok [13:48] upgradepkg --reinstall --install-new /mirror/slackware/slackware-foo/slackware/*/*.t?z [13:48] there's always "tar -C / ....", then reinstall to get it in the db [13:49] v4nelle (~van@79.107.196.122) joined ##slackware. [13:49] 02:0e.0 RAID bus controller: Dell PowerEdge Expandable RAID controller 5 <--- in other words, i have no idea [13:49] Necos: after 9 days of running with 8-9 users all using kde the system is only using 11GB of ram. i guess we have more than we need [13:49] iirc thats a qla chiy [13:49] *chip [13:49] Necos: perc5, so likely LSI [13:50] Necos: and yeah, it didn't do raid6. also, be sure to keep your firmware up to date, especially bios & perc [13:52] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [13:53] on the PE note, anybody use any dell C6100 boxes yet? [13:57] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [13:58] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-zwuhuytthiuivwtq) joined ##slackware. [13:59] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: brb [14:00] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [14:00] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@ppp-69-215-51-3.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [14:01] in an attempt not to reinvent the wheel, I was wondering if anyone had a start up script for screen and irssi which automatically connects to irc and joins your favorite channels? [14:02] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:02] you mean autojoin? [14:02] AEnima1577g: well irssi is capable of joining the channels for you [14:02] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:02] adamk: just FYI, it appears to be a bug within X or the nVidia drivers. Screen 1 and Screen 2 are on a dual-port nVidia card while Screen 0 is on a card by itself. If the layout is (left to right) "Screen 0, Screen 1, Screen 2" then it works perfectly fine. If layout is "Screen 1, Screen 0, Screen 2" then I get the behavior where I can't properly switch between screens. [14:02] AEnima1577g: man screen will show you how to start apps with screen automatically [14:05] raela: absorbing states markovian matrices ftw! [14:06] Wiren: who are you and why are you wanting me to cry? [14:06] alright wario, off to the reading, thanks [14:07] AEnima1577g: no problem. it's not difficult and pretty easy to follow in the man. :) [14:07] Wiren (Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware ("Quitte"). [14:07] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:07] raela: I am your worst nightmare ;-) [14:10] ananke, the machine i'm working on is a custom rig we put together (with the promise sx6000) [14:10] sorry, teacher came in asking me about stuffs [14:11] ick. custom stuff :) [14:11] it's been in service for a long ass time tho :P [14:12] OK. 2.6.29.6-patched-xfs is now running [14:12] cross fingers. stick head between legs. kiss ass goodbye. [14:12] you need to get together with bruce willis... [14:13] he couldnt handle this pressure [14:13] Zordrak, which patches? [14:14] Wiren: apparantly undocumented, unhosted and unmentioned XFS patches found on kernel bugzilla [14:14] backported xfs fixes for use with nfs [14:14] heh, ok [14:16] Lord_Khelben (~null@188.4.251.185.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Quit: Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes! [14:16] Necos, you have six 160Gig HDDs and raid 5 hardware controller? [14:17] JIOCb (~Sps@94.30.152.114) joined ##slackware. [14:17] Nick0 (~Nick0@ip-212-195-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [14:17] with not so reliable harddrives you should do raid 1/10/6, not 5 [14:18] JIOCb (~Sps@94.30.152.114) left irc: Client Quit [14:18] i also use four seagate ES.2 hdds in raid 10, even when raid 5 would be ok [14:19] an the 15k rpm 74gig single platter scsi drive is faster than this setup... [14:19] JIOCb (~Sps@94.30.152.114) joined ##slackware. [14:20] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-161-201-1.range86-161.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:20] s/an/and/ [14:20] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [14:20] No errors so far.... [14:21] installing a two node cluster with drbd + lvm + md-raid1 at work, 1.5TB drives :) [14:21] im not counting my chickens yet... but it has to be a good sign [14:21] mtkoan: what OS? [14:21] mtkoan: exactly.. [14:21] slack64! [14:21] mtkoan: which version? [14:21] zordrak: 13 [14:21] what FS? [14:21] xfs? [14:21] ext3 [14:21] then youre ok [14:22] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [14:22] mtkoan: DO NOT upgrade to 13.1 any time soon [14:22] oh, why is that? [14:22] lol, why? [14:22] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-70-156.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [14:22] mtkoan: ive been dealing with epic corruption today.. it would appear to the fault of the LVM update pissing DRBD off by completely ignoring its requests for segmentation limits [14:23] zordrak: sounds fun.. [14:23] mtkoan: the reason i updated was an XFS bug in the 13.0 kernel... but ive patched my way around that bug and not seen an error just yet (touch wood) [14:24] zordrak: ah ok, hence the fs question [14:24] but seriously.. my job was on the line a liitle earlier because of trying DRBD + LVM + Slack64-13.1-rc1 [14:24] yikes [14:24] nearly had a frigging embolism cause i had two file servers neither one suitable for production [14:25] Yea, management types don't really like it when they're critical fileserver is down.. [14:25] why would you try to put in production an RC of anything? [14:25] /they're/their [14:25] ananke: you know the answer.. stop trying to provoke [14:26] actually, his comment was fair [14:26] Zordrak: no, i'm serious. why would you risk something like that? were there some features not available in the previous release? [14:26] I think he said it was an xfs bug [14:26] nvision (~nvision@g224250186.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:27] ananke: no, there was a bug that i needed to get around and the canonical fix is a kernel upgrade to only just short of where rc1 is [14:27] I compiled 2.6.33.4 with DRBD anyway on these boxes [14:27] ananke: and you of all people should know that a slack-rc1 is generally reasonable [14:27] i see, i thought you found the bug in RC1 [14:27] ananke: no.. that was my initial problem.. the bug was in 13.0 [14:28] ive been waiting for 13.1 for some time to get around the bug [14:28] Zordrak: i still wouldn't be caught putting it in production [14:28] ananke: it was intended to be in as a test so i could drop back to 13.0 quickly.. but my own tiredness and stupidity stopped me from catching it until a little way through the day [14:28] after which i immediately dropped back to the 13.0 server [14:29] that becomes a difference between 'ohh, ok, we got bitten by a bug in a stable release of something' versus 'ohh, you put our production servers on an unfinished product?', big difference when it comes to management [14:29] and started looking for a new, non-canonical, way around the xfs [14:29] bug [14:29] one bug crawls seldomly alone [14:29] ananke: It has to be taken in the context of this company. [14:30] ananke: even fedora beta would be beter than what we had here [14:30] and ive made it orders of magnitude better while saving thousands of pounds [14:30] Zordrak: indeed, i don't know the reality of that company, but generally management prefers to have reasonable deniability [14:30] just happens theres still a little risk involved [14:31] and a very reliable tape backup system for the emergency cases [14:31] would be > 40 LTO tapes enough? :) [14:32] 36xLTO3 in a robotic tape library with other tapes available. [14:32] the library only takes 38 at a time and theres 2 cleaning tapes in [14:32] 60 or 72 tape slots [14:33] i got one with 200 slots [plus extra on the door], still wouldn't want to be caught having to restore large amount of data [14:33] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [14:33] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:33] loafmeat (~flautar@cpe-67-49-158-170.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:33] no indeed. which is why i split up the departments into different filesystems so a corrupt FS doesnt mean tape recovery of the whole company [14:34] so, xfs and jfs, or ext3(4)? [14:34] For what purpose? [14:35] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [14:35] logfs ftw! [14:35] i'm just impressed you get to use slackware...everywhere i've ever worked it's red hat or nothing :-/ [14:35] xfs + jfs + zfs [14:36] Zordrak: and i'm sure you're already evaluated enterprise distros for this purpose? [14:36] ang, at my employer it _was_ CentOS or nothing. Once they looked into doing things with a few custom apps, they opened their eyes to Slackware [14:36] ang: rhel or sles, those are the two biggies [14:36] ibm should rename jfs to yfs ;) [14:36] ang: for me the simple matter is I run this network and no-one else has even close to enough knowledge to even question what im doing [14:36] I had twice complete lock-up and freeze while i was playing movie on xine, how can i check what is causing an error? [14:37] pupit: overheating, buggy x driver [14:37] ananke: i did. [14:37] ananke: you sure? this was fast! [14:37] ananke: yeah. and the only reason for it is the paid support :-/ [14:37] pupit: shot in the dark. \ [14:38] ang: not the only reason [14:38] ananke: this is on current [14:38] ananke: sure theres also the constant reboots for backported kernels [14:38] pupit, try another media player, to rule out hardware vs. software [14:39] thrice`: will do thanks [14:39] Zordrak: only if you choose to reboot. and the point is: they do apply patches & fixes, often for problems like you've encountered. that's where i usually find patches for pesky drivers, that didn't make it into mainstream kernel yet [14:40] fuzzbawl: lucky :) [14:40] I'm trying to connect to wpa2 with wicd. I'm using the wpa encryption type that the program comes with, but I'm getting a "bad_pass" abort message [14:40] I know the pass is correct... [14:40] It's a hidden essid if that helps. [14:40] twoshot_: try wicd 1.7.0 [14:41] sahko, k [14:41] ananke: im not saying there's NO benefit to them.. but weighing it all up, slack easily comes out on top. For what its worth this is the first time ive ever had a reasonably serious problem in this network and all the core servers have been running slack for years [14:41] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [14:41] Zordrak: what do they serve, the servers? [14:42] Zordrak: you're lucky then, if this is a first serious issue related to drivers in years. congrats [14:42] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-dnhcizkacemlcole) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:43] pupit: everything. DNS DHCP NIS NFS Samba Apache(RT, Trac, Foswiki), SVN, CVSD, SGE, NTPD, OpenVPN, MySQL, Postfix, Dovecot etc etc etc [14:43] huh, :) [14:43] Wow, that's a pretty heavy single point of failure.. [14:43] eviljames: that list comprises like 10 different boxes [14:43] "Our only machine has died, all business must stop until it is fixed." [14:43] Oh! [14:43] I don't know why I was thinking it was a single machine. [14:43] hahahah [14:43] oh.. not to mention Veritas NetBAckup [14:44] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [14:44] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:45] as well as a colocated public webserver [14:45] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.165) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:46] ... and my desktop & laptop, nagios w/ smsd.. [14:46] i still could go on :) [14:47] "..DNS DHCP NIS NFS Samba Apache(RT, Trac, Foswiki), SVN, CVSD, SGE, NTPD, OpenVPN, MySQL, Postfix, Dovecot" and other names to use in a big fight :) [14:47] Nagios w/smsd is awesome [14:47] oh yeah [14:47] I use postfix+dovecot on my VPS, but I'm thinking of using Zimbra here at work [14:47] better than my previous solution... nagios w/ wvdial ;) [14:48] it serves our 374 host, 3,680 service checks quite well [14:48] and that's just 1/4 of our network :D [14:48] mtkoan: zimbra just works. [14:48] bloody annoying to get a modem calling you.. with no message other than "since im calling you, youd better check your email for the actual error" [14:48] jgor (jgor@odin.indiecom.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:48] Zordrak: yea. That would get very annoying very fast [14:48] mtkoan: one thing though, you'd need to run it on a 'supported' platform, which of course doesn't include slackware. but once deployed, there is really very little maintenance to it, and upgrades are a breeze [14:49] That's..why you send text messages, not phonecalls [14:49] straterra: :) [14:49] fuzzbawl: yeah.. thats why i got smsd going pretty sharpish [14:49] jgor (jgor@odin.indiecom.org) joined ##slackware. [14:49] ananke: Doesn't that make sense? o.O [14:50] Action: ananke has been paged for 15 years via text messages. yes, it does make sense :) [14:50] You don't even need a modem or phone line to send SMS..you can use the carrier's SMS gateway for FREE [14:50] ananke, my intent was on slackware, it compiled okay on my laptop anyway [14:51] I tried to do this server install on debian, but I quit after about 2 hours and just put slackware on them [14:51] though the mailservers will new boxes [14:51] straterra: my issue with email-to-sms is that the "from" is an incrementing number. I would much prefer them to show as a thread from a single contact [14:52] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:53] fuzzbawl: really? On Verizon/AT&T/Sprint (at least here), it stays the same number [14:53] On Verizon, it actually uses the from email address as the sender [14:53] mtkoan: if you're going to actually buy the normal version of zimbra, i'd recommend doing it on a supported os [14:53] Zimbra on CentOS/RHEL is so extremely easy [14:53] straterra: i have that issue on AT&T with iphone. each new sms comes as a new number [14:54] fuzzbawl: theres another issue with email-to-sms.. it doesnt survive powercuts very well.. but a UPSed Nagios machine hooked up to a mobile phone does a pretty good job [14:54] Really? [14:54] straterra: yep. [14:54] (assuming your whole network front to back and providers WAN link arent all totally UPSed [14:54] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:54] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Changing host [14:54] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [14:54] My coworker doesn't have that issue on his iPhone..wonder if he did something [14:54] straterra: interesting. lemme check what the address is [14:55] Zordrak: the biggest reason we wanted an actual cell modem was to prevent notifications not going out if the box itself or a link into the data center was cut [14:55] fuzzbawl: indeed [14:55] straterra: phonenumber@txt.att.net [14:56] and the sms messages come from 1 (410) 000-001, -002, and so on [14:56] Yup, same gateway [14:57] I dunno..maybe he has another texting app on his iPhone or something [14:59] schoene (~mark@cpe-65-189-215-224.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:59] textnow iphone app comes from a number that looks like that [14:59] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:02] nooneelse (~brunodeol@201.90.155.112) joined ##slackware. [15:03] im out. ttfn. [15:06] Axius_ (~fd@92.82.80.15) joined ##slackware. [15:06] How can clean the cache on slackware? [15:07] what cache ? [15:07] from slackpkg downloads. [15:08] eddie_grey (~e@187.23.103.1) joined ##slackware. [15:09] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:11] slapt-get clean [15:11] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [15:12] I've intalled mplayer and it works only as root. What should I do make it work a normal user? [15:13] sahko: he said slackpkg, not slapt-get :) [15:13] Axius_: How does it not work as a normal user? [15:14] >.> [15:15] sahko: it does not work that command. [15:15] Traveler67 (~fn-javach@41.237.5.4) joined ##slackware. [15:15] rworkman: ping [15:16] adamk: now make it work. [15:16] adamk: now I make it work. [15:16] Traveler67 (fn-javach@41.237.5.4) left ##slackware. [15:16] How to remove all the file form /tmp? [15:17] 'rm' [15:18] rm -rfv /tmp/* [15:18] careful with 'rm -rf' and * [15:19] especially when used with the tab key :> [15:19] thrice`: ok [15:19] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:20] aren't there some things in /tmp used by x? [15:20] Axius (~fd@92.82.80.15) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:21] Axius_ (~fd@92.82.80.15) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:21] Axius (~fd@92.82.80.15) joined ##slackware. [15:21] how can i copy the contents of a directory into another directory so it preserves file permissions and files begining with . [15:22] brainvision (~brainvisi@host232-13-dynamic.53-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:23] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:23] raela: yes, but those are hidden. * doesnt find em [15:23] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) joined ##slackware. [15:24] sahko: ahhh okay [15:24] koanen_t (~koanen_t@ip-114-39-179-93.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [15:24] dustybin: "cp -a /some/directory /other/directory/" [15:24] dustybin: "cp -a /some/directory/ /other/directory/" sorry [15:25] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:25] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:26] thanks :D [15:26] Axius (~fd@92.82.80.15) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:28] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:28] alienBOB: that didnt copy . files [15:28] i am trying to restore a .tar for a whole home directory [15:29] i can only unpack the tar in /tmp because of space [15:29] PiterPunk: ping [15:30] Im intressted in starting coding a bit.... but where do I start ? and what language is the best to start off with ? [15:31] I have looked little on python.. or maby c or ruby hehe ? [15:31] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) joined ##slackware. [15:31] any sugestions ? [15:32] dustybin: " cp -a /some/directory/. /other/directory/ " is the right one [15:33] alienBOB: worked thanks :D [15:34] isent most programs for linux coded in c ? [15:34] Nick0: start at all? [15:34] what do you mean... ? [15:35] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:35] do you have any experience in programming? [15:36] no [15:36] stay with Python, so :) [15:37] ok, thats what I got recommended by friends [15:38] rab13s (micemicer@core.routed.com) left ##slackware. [15:39] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) left irc: Excess Flood [15:39] do you use it ? [15:42] python rocks on the desktop , as Django does on the web :p [15:43] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Quit: chao pajudos =P [15:43] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) joined ##slackware. [15:43] ruby is pretty cute... certainly too OO if not entirely OO and way too flexible [15:43] Nick0: a little, I work most with PHP, but not because it's my choise :( [15:43] really? my desktop is rock-safe [15:44] pupiteee (~p@93.86.251.43) joined ##slackware. [15:44] a customer's choice ;) god, i hate such jobs [15:44] ok, guess I have to start some where so... [15:45] start with python then. [15:45] Nick0: start with what you want to do or python :p [15:45] what to do as what seems to better fit your needs [15:45] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:45] as in* [15:46] or better, if it's not a job madness, what piques your interest [15:46] yeah, just that when I read about different languages some listed as good begining [15:46] python /o\  [15:47] and if you learn one you could much esier learn others after that one [15:47] nothing wrong with looking around. just get the idea first, then how to accomplish it. not vice versa, f.e. ive got this and that sitting here, recommended stuff, and im looking for ideas to put it to action. [15:48] :) [15:48] ashe (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [15:49] to some extend it's like those dudes coming to irc asking "yo, got this dedicated quadcore server .. what should i do with it?" ... boils down to the same horse ;) [15:49] tru [15:50] adrien: stfu. python is perfect for beginners. [15:51] There's a low barrier to entry, and a low barrier to actually making something useful. granted it won't make you a great coder, but it really is ideal for the n00b. [15:51] and I mean fresh n00b by that statement. After a few months of coding in python, buy a very large book on C and start learning how to actually program :P [15:51] define great coder [15:51] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [15:51] Action: xsamurai slaps eviljames for stupid statement [15:51] i'z be using python [15:51] jg71: Define great painter. [15:51] shit I started a war.... [15:52] eviljames: how much do you pay? ;) [15:52] jg71: My statement is like "Yeah, buy an easel and a set of paints. Sure, you won't be Da Vinci in your first few months..." [15:52] eviljames: I still believe most python code written is complete crap and the language itself isn't good [15:52] Nick0: no i just like slapping eviljames, you could have said lolly pops , i'd still slap him [15:52] hahahah this is true. [15:52] xsamurai is out to get me :( [15:52] so basically you are saying eviljames "da vinci needed to grow up too" ;) [15:52] hehe :) [15:52] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:52] adrien: which code did you look at ? [15:52] it's a base with things stacked on it again and again to the point of being almost only syntax extensions [15:53] adrien: That's a bit asinine. Most code written is complete crap, and most languages aren't that good. [15:53] Nick0: you really should ask Azeotrope's stance on this one. [15:53] xsamurai: several ones, usually I drink a lot to forget about them right after so I don't have all the names in head :-) [15:53] .... [15:53] ;) [15:53] sounds like a perl user [15:53] eviljames: well, python code is even worse than usual and python is even worse ;-) [15:53] gets drunk then looks at code [15:53] adrien: Each one has it's on quirks and idiosyncrasies etc. [15:53] xsamurai: j/k [15:54] C is pepsi and Python coke? X-D [15:54] xsamurai: Everyone knows you have to be at a very specific point of drunk to write great code. This is known as "The Ballmer Peak" http://xkcd.com/323/ [15:54] dvel: hahahahahah [15:54] but gobject-introspection which is being added to almost all glib-based projects and seems to have a pretty high momentum, it's 110% crap [15:54] dvel: and c++ is diabeetus [15:54] you can compare c and python [15:54] dvel: more like C is instructions to coke, and python is watered down no-name brand iced tea [15:54] *cant [15:54] jq71 ok is he alive [15:54] that's the last one and it convinced me to stay away from everything python: feeling like dying 99% of the times does not justify 1% of ok things [15:54] long island iced tea. pleaaase ;) [15:55] Nick0: insider joke. you go with the stuff mentioned in here, Azeotrope is one of a kind ;) [15:55] s/last one/last one I looked at/ [15:55] damn, I need new, non-bleeding, fingers [15:55] adrien: seems like a lack of understanding the language [15:56] anyways cant convince php programmers to wear pants [15:56] it's true I don't like the language and won't spend hours trying to get a better understanding of it but adding syntax on and on (the @ decorator for instance) won't improve readability [15:57] nice :) [15:57] as for the quality of most codes, I don't have to read them to see their effects (but gobject-introspection deserves an award for being the worst crap of the decade) [15:58] fallertsen (~Franz@host26-141-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:00] gar0t0_ (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [16:00] gar0t0_ (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Client Quit [16:02] ashe (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [16:02] excuse my language comprehension (i'm Spanish), programming in Python will not be a black master of computers? [16:03] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [16:03] black master? [16:04] only low-level programming with C [16:04] ? [16:04] no golden rule, no golden language [16:05] the right tool/language for the job is actually the single rule that gets you everywhere [16:05] (see git: perl + sh + C + ...) [16:05] how do you remember all cryptic syntax..... [16:06] the right tool/language for the job is actually the single rule that gets you everywhere <--- +1 [16:06] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [16:06] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [16:06] Nick0: practice practice practice, amigo. [16:07] amigo? friend? [16:07] Nick0: How do I remember the many deps for the many packages on my system? Same deal. [16:07] dvel: Sure, none of us are enemies here. [16:07] thats for sure [16:07] Except for xsamurai. [16:07] He is my nemesis [16:07] eviljames: you? you don't remember, you have a notebook next to your screen :-) [16:08] adrien: I'm the absolute _worst_ at writing stuff down. [16:08] adrien: Every time I say I write something down, I actually forget it instead. [16:08] I would need a like dictionary on every options and a fat explenasion for it :) [16:08] nooneelse (~brunodeol@201.90.155.112) left irc: [16:09] eviljames: same here ;) [16:09] adrien: he has no hands, he uses his tongue to irc . so taking notes is out of the question [16:09] Nick0: Many IDEs actually provide this sort of service.. NetBeans certainly does for Java and Python. [16:09] xsamurai: lol ;p [16:10] good I should hang there then [16:11] unless working on a big project , netbeans is just bloat [16:12] i Khate java [16:12] Nick0: Just remember, practice makes permanent, so make sure you practice the right thing. [16:13] sure everyone says you learn best by doing... [16:13] also like adrien mentioned , right tool for the right job [16:13] byt right now I dont understund shit when I look at code [16:13] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [16:14] so I need some basik understanding first [16:14] logic will always be the same, just different syntax [16:14] learn C [16:14] Nick0: find a good book and read that. There are a lot of free ones available online. [16:14] Nick0: if you are to end up with python check : Byte of python its a great free ebook [16:14] Nick0: Start writing simple programs. [16:14] Nick0: dive into python <- google that phrase and you will find a good beginner guide. [16:15] ok [16:15] thanks alot for the input [16:15] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-133-223.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:16] hello world :) [16:16] oddly enough most flash players or objects dont work well with linux but if I click the right mouse button and then press the left mouse button it works just fine [16:17] rab13s (~micemicer@core.routed.com) joined ##slackware. [16:17] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:18] Nick0: doesnt hurt to keep us posted on your progress. if it's slackware related, shoot ;) [16:19] Kustnamenkloate (titan@unaffiliated/appetite) joined ##slackware. [16:20] its just a hobby but sure, I come here time to time :) [16:21] I like it here its cosy :) [16:21] i tried slackware 13.1RC the ISO you can get from distrowatch, I ran it in a virtualbox, everythign seems like it installed correct, but when i boot it gets into an endless cycle of modprobe [16:21] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:21] and yes people here are nice [16:22] thats for sure [16:23] alienBOB: ping [16:23] Don't just ping please. Just state the question with my nick in the sentence. I keep logs [16:24] JIOCb (~Sps@94.30.152.114) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:24] yeah straterra, you ought to know by now! [16:24] alienBOB: Ok.. [16:24] Did you want to try the rc.inet1 I modded? [16:25] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-189-154.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [16:25] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.busybox/30801 of moderate interest. [16:26] Should bash-isms be removed from kernel devel shell scripts? [16:26] aha (~ubuntu@122-124-129-204.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:27] straterra: I did not even have time to try PiterPunk's... sorry. Perhaps after 13.1 release [16:27] There are some definite advantages to using ip tools [16:28] alienBOB: i tried slackware 13.1RC the ISO you can get from distrowatch, I ran it in a virtualbox, everythign seems like it installed correct, but when i boot it gets into an endless cycle of modprobe [16:28] has any distro switch to them? (thats curiosity not an argument) [16:28] Gentoo has [16:28] nice to know [16:28] I think most have [16:29] I guess I'll ping robby then [16:30] rab13s: that is not a helpful bug report [16:30] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:30] rab13s: also thats not an RC1 ISO [16:30] its a week before RC1 [16:30] alienBOB: sorry very new to all this [16:31] rab13s: Are you already running 13.0? [16:31] it's also an unofficial ISO [16:31] yes on 2 different machines [16:31] rab13s: that is also a non-official ISO. Slackware does not release ISOs of -current, so who knows what is in it [16:31] should have specified that it was unofficial sorry everyone [16:32] rab13s: no problem [16:32] tewmten (tew@gaskammare.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:32] If you find why it loops in modprobe and find a fix, feel free to report it [16:32] brainvision (~brainvisi@host232-13-dynamic.53-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:32] will do [16:32] Nick0 (~Nick0@ip-212-195-241-92.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving! [16:33] rab13s: I suggest using the usb image that you can dd to a usb stick and then install from ftp/http or use alienBOB's mirror script and create a mini ISO from which you can also install over http/ftp [16:33] chess: that makes sence thank you [16:33] tewmten (tew@gaskammare.se) joined ##slackware. [16:33] KDE always surprises me. now it said on my laptop with an nvidia card while compiling imagemagick that its suspending compositing cause its too slow. ffs. i wonder for long more im gonna bear with it [16:34] chess: the only reason I want to run -current is because the kernel supports my wifi card in my laptop. [16:34] paissad (~paissad@fac34-10-83-152-130-156.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:35] everytime I have messed with a kernel I have managed to cripple my system, after the 8th try i have given up for now [16:36] you screwed the wrong mexican, rab13s [16:36] ;) [16:36] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [16:36] you should say: i have no time. [16:37] earlier kmail opened kwallet which poped up a notification telling me kmail wanted to start kwallet, and asked me if i wanted to switch to kmail! lunacy [16:38] sahko: I stay with Slackware because I'm in control. I stay away from KDE, because I'm not in control :) [16:39] +1 [16:39] shonudo (user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [16:40] that's the same reason I stay away from tequila [16:40] i will probably move back to xfce soon. considering building it without policykit and a xorg 1.8.x server getting rid of hal while im at it. or simply go back to ratpoison [16:41] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [16:41] xfce requires hal still [16:41] chess: Only tequila? [16:42] niels_horn: it's only monday [16:42] thrice`: i think only thunar and power-manager. the first i can live without [16:43] chess: heh... :) [16:43] i use mc anyway, even in kde [16:43] sahko, ah, ok - so really strip it. you'll lose some of thunar's mounting / etc. goodies, but sure :> [16:44] although i think you dont get icons in the taskbar (at the very least) without thunar [16:45] can thunar automount etc without hal ? [16:46] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-139-252.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [16:46] no, only nautilus can do that atm [16:46] at least afaik [16:46] don't think so .. and you intent to kick hal out... so thunar will be useless to keep either [16:46] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [16:47] and it is not that tied with the desktop and bar icons part as nautilus is afaik [16:47] thats my plan. its implemention is a different issue [16:47] and concluding, kde 4.4.3 is much worst than 4.3.5 imo [16:48] bbl [16:50] the new xfce isn't exactly marching forward quickly, though. [16:50] eddie_grey (~e@187.23.103.1) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:50] VoraZBR (~VoraZBR@unaffiliated/vorazbr) left irc: Quit: #facul @bemarllon... (www.cyberscript.org) [16:51] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [16:51] im loving 4.4.3 and the progress of slackware and kde with regards to kde. so excited for 13.1 kde is rocking. course kde is my hands down fav and i have been waiting faithfully for the dust to settle. i am stoked with current and kde. [16:51] imho [16:52] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [16:53] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@ppp-69-215-51-3.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:53] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:54] would rsync change my kernel? [16:54] fallertsen (~Franz@host26-141-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:54] depends on what you rsync'd... [16:57] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [16:58] adamk_ (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [17:02] antiwire: would i then have to configure the new kernel? [17:02] no [17:03] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: home! [17:03] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:03] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-135.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] sluckxz: i liked 4.3.5 too. it stayed out of my way and stood in the corner looking good. that changed with 4.4.3. [17:04] |CtrlAltCa| (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [17:04] antiwire: would I have to config the kernel to make use of it? the new kernel offers support for my wifi card that the old kernel does not. [17:04] rab13s: "kernel" is a vague concept when talking about driver support. [17:04] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [17:05] You need to download the kernel source, configure it, build it, and install all the parts. [17:05] then update lilo.conf and run lilo [17:05] we prefer the less vague "linux kernel" here [17:05] IFF the driver comes with the stock kernel, then it is built as a module, and it is available. however, it is NOT *in* the kernel [17:06] I suspect there are not many wifi cards built into the kernel - most if not all will be modularized [17:06] so if you want it to move into the kernel image, you will have to build your own [17:06] looks like segate is offering a 3tb drive later this year, i wonder how long a raid array of them will take to initialize [17:06] slackytude|evil (~slacky@f051100220.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [17:06] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:07] Nick change: |CtrlAltCa| -> CtrlAltCa [17:08] adaptr: thanks for the explanation [17:08] mancha: i will try to be less vague next time I post [17:09] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-144.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:09] rab13s and in exchange i'll try to say less jokes that elicit no laughs [17:09] LOL [17:09] mancha: Is it possible? [17:09] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: ... [17:09] rab13s, that's the spirit! [17:10] SpacePlod (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-mojnxexhkwijrobc) left ##slackware. [17:15] person132 (~chatzilla@184-8-191-16.dr04.nrwc.ny.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] pupiteee (~p@93.86.251.43) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:18] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:18] sirslacker (~sirslacke@tmo-098-124.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [17:19] person132 (~chatzilla@184-8-191-16.dr04.nrwc.ny.frontiernet.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:20] rab13s (micemicer@core.routed.com) left ##slackware. [17:22] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [17:23] person132 (~chatzilla@184-8-191-16.dr04.nrwc.ny.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:23] Can you guys see this message? [17:23] nope. Can you? [17:23] nope, try reconnecting [17:23] It just shows up for me as "*** *** **** *** **** *******?" [17:23] OK. I'll get it working somehow. [17:23] What the hell? Why are you all typings asterisks? [17:24] Alan_Hicks: Oh, it must be your password! [17:24] hunter2 you you hunter2er. [17:24] hahah [17:24] eviljames: Try PMing me. All I got was "*** ** **** ** **** *********" [17:25] rab13s (~micemicer@core.routed.com) joined ##slackware. [17:25] person132 (~chatzilla@184-8-191-16.dr04.nrwc.ny.frontiernet.net) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829] [17:26] lol, must be trying to fix it. [17:26] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-zwuhuytthiuivwtq) left irc: Quit: Page closed [17:26] asamoah (~caio@wiltel.wilnet.com.ar) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:27] loafmeat (~flautar@cpe-67-49-158-170.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: [17:29] person132 (~chatzilla@184-8-191-16.dr04.nrwc.ny.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:29] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:30] I need help getting help. [17:30] I'm trying to get the radeon driver working, but I can't send messages in #radeon. [17:30] maybe you need to have a registered nickname [17:31] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-135.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:32] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-170.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:32] forget the ipad, hack the joggler [17:32] http://www.jogglerwiki.info/index.php?title=Main_Page [17:33] for me, the ipad is an expensive toy that tries to prevent me from using it [17:36] that's like $75 - now why do they only sell that in the UK! [17:37] it's like that Korean handheld gameboy, that's only like $25 [17:37] and can run Linux :) [17:38] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:40] takeshita_kenji (~takeshita@c-24-19-4-122.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:40] Hello. I'm having odd troubles with a RAID1 array on Slackware. [17:41] I created it using mdadm --assemble, and after rebooting the array was gone. [17:41] adaptr: most of O2's products are rebranded.... the joggler is new to me, but I know a bit about O2's smart phones/PDA [17:41] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-425183.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:42] Did you setup a /etc/mdadm.conf file? [17:42] Do you have the correct drivers being loaded during boot? [17:42] mako-sama: yes, I know. they're mostly HTCs [17:42] The thing is, when I was using the Slackware LiveCD, it got the array just fine. [17:42] It's Linux software RAID. [17:42] There are still drivers to load. [17:43] takeshita_kenji: did you create the correct parition types ? [17:43] If they aren't there the array isn't coming up [17:43] Which modules? [17:43] antiwire: even on an installed system, initrd will load the md drivers [17:43] takeshita_kenji: md* [17:43] Oh, I'm using hugesmp at the moment. [17:45] I did this, and the array still won't show up: for i in kernel/drivers/md/*; do modprobe `basename $i .ko`; done [17:45] No errors when probing. [17:47] takeshita_kenji: that's wholly unnecessary. did you create the correct partition types ? [17:47] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-110-216-2-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [17:47] benagain (~benagain@essen.physics.ucsb.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:47] Anyone if there s there a "print this file" command in KDE? [17:47] I just did it directly on /dev/sda and /dev/sdb [17:47] takeshita_kenji: but "mdadm --assemble" will assemble the array? [17:48] takeshita_kenji: I use Linux Autodetect Raid partitions. [17:48] adaptr: on -current? [17:48] alienBOB: um, no, not on slackware [17:48] I did this last night before reboot: mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda /dev/sdb [17:48] Well duh [17:48] alienBOB: md is md, what's the difference ? [17:48] We are discussing that the 2.6.33 kernels may no longer auto-reassemble a RAID [17:49] We (the team) [17:49] oh wow, I had no idea - I thought he had just misconfigured [17:49] ashe (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:49] never mind me, then [17:49] (mine runs 2.6.27 or thereabouts) [17:50] takeshita_kenji: again: when you run "mdadm --assemble" after logging in, you do get your RAID array after all? [17:50] No, I don't. [17:50] I don't have the entry in mdadm.conf. [17:50] ashe (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [17:51] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:51] dustybin: thanks for the link btw.. I should check if I can get one of these :) [17:51] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet."). [17:52] Hello, after upgrading to the slackpkg in -current, the command "slackpkg install xxx" hangs... Anyone else running into this? [17:52] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:53] Since it looks like I'll have to recreate the array from scratch, what should I pass to --auto? [17:53] benagain: run "slackpkg update" directly after upgrading slackpkg [17:53] takeshita_kenji: try "mdadm -Es > /etc/mdadm.conf; mdadm -As" [17:54] That did it. [17:54] Thanks! [17:54] alienBOB, I've done this, but I still have the same problem [17:54] Since it's in mdadm.conf, it should still pick it up on the next reboot, correct? [17:55] Look at your configured mirror benagain - perhaps that is wrong [17:57] Do I have to add something to startup to get the array to load? [17:59] alienBOB, I'm using the slackware.oregonstate.edu mirror. It updates fine, but I still can't install or remove anything. [18:00] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:23] benagain (~benagain@essen.physics.ucsb.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:25] anyone facing this problem as well? http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=39875 [18:27] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-189-154.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:35] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) joined ##slackware. [18:36] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:37] keenken (~keenken@adsl-99-30-144-105.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: keenken [18:37] masterslakk (~mastersla@adsl-99-30-144-105.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:37] sup [18:38] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.27.116) joined ##slackware. [18:39] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [18:42] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [18:43] aha (~ubuntu@122-124-129-204.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:43] Razec (~razec@187.34.18.187) joined ##slackware. [18:43] aha (~ubuntu@122-124-130-17.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:44] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:45] w4lk_ (~w4lk@cpe-066-026-123-133.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:45] w4lk_ (~w4lk@cpe-066-026-123-133.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:45] w4lk_ (~w4lk@cpe-066-026-123-133.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:45] sinuhe (~sinuhe@ip65-44-231-178.z231-44-65.customer.algx.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:47] Witukind (~witukind@ANancy-157-1-62-102.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:50] latemus (~latemus@c-67-177-8-122.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:50] I just installed Slackware64 and LILO failed during setup with "Fatal: LILO internal error: Would overwrite Partition Table." [18:51] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [18:51] Why is that possible? [18:51] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [18:51] what file system and where did you try to write lilo? [18:51] MBR. [18:52] The first partition, /boot, contains ext2. [18:52] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:53] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [18:53] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Client Quit [18:57] Any thoughts. [18:58] *? [18:59] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:00] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [19:00] What does "Warning: boot record relocation beyond BPB is necessary" mean? [19:01] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) joined ##slackware. [19:02] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:03] should /var/lib/php be empty? [19:05] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [19:06] aha (~ubuntu@122-124-130-17.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:08] When I install 32-bit Slackware on the same machine with the same /boot, I didn't get this error. [19:09] *installed [19:09] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [19:12] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-170.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [19:14] anyone have any familiarity with Linksys WPC54G WiFi card? it has a marvel 88w8335 (libertas) chipset....i've loaded the libertas driver but the card still doesn't seem to be found [19:15] Should I try SYSLINUX in the MBR? [19:15] Would that work? [19:15] takeshita_kenji: 64bits installation work for me [19:15] Well of course it works for someone. If it didn't, it wouldn't have been released. [19:17] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [19:18] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:19] Dominus (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:19] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Client Quit [19:19] Nick change: Dominus -> Guest11892 [19:19] Nick change: Guest11892 -> EuroTrash [19:20] _ZeH_ (ze_@189.75.3.135) joined ##slackware. [19:21] lisak (~a@nat-1n-195-195.suchdol.net) joined ##slackware. [19:22] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:23] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [19:23] Why must it overwrite the partition table? [19:23] This is just a fresh Slackware64 install. [19:25] GhOsT-PR (~ghost@24.139.229.79) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:25] eh? why must what overwrite a partition table? [19:25] LILO. [19:25] I get this error when I run it: "Fatal: LILO internal error: Would overwrite Partition Table." [19:26] because you're installing it to the location of the MBR [19:26] Yes, but I want it on the MBR so I can boot. [19:26] Why did it raise the error? [19:26] because you're installing it in the wrong location [19:27] Where should I install it? [19:28] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [19:29] What's the right location? [19:30] the MBR or the superblock (in your case, it'd definitely be the MBR) [19:30] But that's what I was doing. [19:30] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:31] I have "boot = /dev/hda". [19:31] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [19:33] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [19:33] you used the expert setup of lilo? [19:33] No. [19:33] I used the simple setup. [19:33] and why are you using /dev/hda? oh wait, you're not running current [19:33] you are going to get bit in the ass by that if you're not careful [19:33] Yeah, it's /dev/hda because it's using the old ATA drivers. [19:34] I know. I ran Gentoo on this machine and /dev/hda was /dev/sdc. [19:34] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [19:34] [01.24.58 ] takeshita_kenji: disk medium -> reinstall lilo, i guess [19:35] Do you mean via slackpkg or re-running 'lilo'? [19:35] *medium installation [19:36] What? [19:36] _ZeH_ (ze_@189.75.3.135) left irc: Quit: saindoooooo [19:38] try medium installation (cd, dvd, ...) [19:38] Oh, reinstall it? [19:38] Okay. [19:38] i'm not expert in slack, make sure you obtain support from advanced users [19:39] in my opinion, reinstall lilo would be my best idea [19:40] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-110-216-2-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:40] I just wish Slackware64 had a CD. In order to boot it, I have to boot into the regular Slackware LiveCD, mount the 64 LiveCD, dd if=usbimage of=/dev/hda and reboot. [19:40] takeshita_kenji: post your lilo.conf at pastebin.com [19:41] The machine can't boot DVDs or USB. [19:41] I'm sure there's a Slackware64-13.0 iso [19:42] There's only a DVD ISO. [19:42] I can't boot that. [19:42] can someone plz let me know if this is a safe link: http://www.xssed.com/search?key=Batch [19:42] huh [19:42] I'll be damned, there is no isos [19:43] coolkehon: xss in the domain name .. sounds _really_ extra safe [19:43] inorite [19:43] Razec (~razec@187.34.18.187) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:44] its a site listing xss domains [19:44] thanks [19:44] Here's my lilo.conf: http://pastebin.com/63dw6cJ5 [19:47] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [19:49] Aside from the 'compact' and 'large-memory' lines, it's exactly the same as was created by the installer. [19:49] With or without those lines, it doesn't work. [19:52] _Jim_ (~Jim@058-050-080-189.macapaonline.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:54] Witukind (~witukind@ANancy-157-1-62-102.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090423]: i've been blurred! [19:55] KnutBluetooth (~knutbluet@ANancy-157-1-62-102.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:55] Richlv (~rich@80.232.234.137) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [19:55] Richlv (~rich@80.232.234.137) joined ##slackware. [19:55] http://www.slackbook.org/html/booting.html [19:56] Razec (~razec@187.34.18.187) joined ##slackware. [19:59] KnutBluetooth2 (~knutbluet@ANancy-157-1-62-102.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[20:04] running slackware13 [20:04] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [20:04] rab13s: yeah k3b stucks on 13.0v [20:05] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [20:05] pupit: what do you use? [20:05] rab13s: uhm, growisofs [20:05] had to learn to burn from cli :) [20:06] extra/kde3-compat/k3b3-1.0.5-i486-opt1.txz: Added. In case the KDE4 version of k3b is not stable, this KDE3 version may be used along with the KDE3 compatibility packages in extra/kde3-compat/.testing/packages/mesa-7.4.2-i486-2.txz: Moved to /testing due to apparent [20:06] Fri Jun 19 18:22:20 CDT 2009 [20:06] or wait a while.... [20:06] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:07] were going on 12:5 seconds and counting [20:07] Razec (~razec@187.34.18.187) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:07] guess its time to learn how to burn from cli [20:07] rab13s: http://www.physics.ucsb.edu/~pcs/apps/linux_dvdr_burning.html [20:07] worked for me [20:08] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [20:08] or stop whining and just find a solution. [20:08] I've posted two solutions already and pupit posted his. [20:08] pupiteee (~p@77.46.242.124) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:09] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:09] antiwire: no wining here, just thought you might find some humor in how long this has been spinning, and i am appreciative of your help, thanks [20:09] whining* [20:09] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [20:10] brainvision (~brainvisi@host98-29-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [20:10] Other people find a newer version of the problematic program or they grab the latest svn,cvs,monotone, whatever and see if it has been fixed [20:10] that stalling was addressed in the k3b changelogs too [20:10] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [20:11] The next version of Slackware will have a much newer version of K3B too. [20:11] havn't read the changelogs fairly new to KDE and slackware [20:12] will do that if/when I upgrade [20:13] antiwire: there were recent changes in K3b development HQ [20:13] I know [20:13] I follow the k3b specific changelog [20:13] you do? [20:14] I FSCKING DO! [20:14] hahahah [20:14] like the daily news paper [20:14] well, I follow it because I pull k3b from svn [20:14] so i'm almost forced to read it [20:14] antiwire: haha, made me laugh :) thanks :) [20:14] lol [20:15] antiwire is on k3b like white on rice. :P [20:15] Dude, I make coasters all day long [20:15] I mean I burn cd's all day long [20:15] ...yeah [20:16] KnutBluetooth2 (knutbluet@ANancy-157-1-62-102.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware. [20:16] antiwire, DUDE, ever take that coaster and flip it around, it's shiny back there, like a rainbow of colors..... [20:16] what do you burn, music, movies? [20:16] uh...backups? [20:16] legal, legit...backups? [20:16] yeah... [20:16] now you have spoiled the fun of burning [20:16] :) [20:16] haha [20:17] what the hell who installed k9copy on my system! omg. [20:17] antiwire, you didn't see me ssh'd in the other night? :o [20:17] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:18] pwnd [20:18] logs? why the hell would I log anything? [20:18] Kustnamenkloate (titan@unaffiliated/appetite) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:18] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.99) joined ##slackware. [20:19] Kustnamenkloate (titan@unaffiliated/appetite) joined ##slackware. [20:20] well, to back it UP! :D [20:20] fosforo_1 (~fosforo@187.15.121.171) joined ##slackware. [20:21] i think there are companies who keep logs for years... [20:21] yes indeed [20:21] I actually archive my logs indefinitely [20:21] I have the space so why not? [20:22] stop. hamertime [20:22] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [20:22] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [20:22] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [20:23] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [20:23] Yeah, that page from the Slackbook is useless to me. [20:24] liloconfig doesn't do anything different this time versus during the initial install. [20:24] I sense some tension [20:24] Supposedly, the lilo.conf I have should work, but it doesn't. [20:24] takeshita_kenji: have you tried replacing /dev/hda with /dev/sda? [20:25] /dev/sda is part of my RAID array and isn't bootable. [20:26] slackytude|evil (~slacky@f051100220.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:26] /dev/hda is my PATA hard drive, and /dev/sd[ab] are my SATA hard drives. [20:26] Everything was installed to /dev/hda. [20:27] /dev/sd[ab] comprise /dev/md0, which has an XFS filesystem written directly to it, without any partitioning. It worked under 32-bit Slackware. [20:27] edthix1 (~ed@175.144.229.97) joined ##slackware. [20:27] edthix (~ed@175.144.229.97) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:27] takeshita_kenji: you know, on some motherboards, sata is pulled first then pata. i know i had the same problem and solved it. i took out my pata hdd [20:28] I need my PATA hard drive. [20:28] That's the system disk and the other two are for /home. [20:28] Like I said, it worked just fine under 32-bit Slackware, which booted without issue. [20:28] 'lilo' didn't get any errors there, either. [20:28] Should i just use GRUB? [20:28] *I [20:29] you can keep it, i dont mind, you can still recheck the bios settings and maybe reformat that pata drive [20:29] I did that already. [20:29] And why would 32-bit Slackware work where 64-bit Slackware didn't? [20:30] LILO is the same in both cases, isn't it? [20:30] yes [20:30] Is it time for GRUB, then? [20:30] Action: alphageek briefly pays attention [20:31] takeshita_kenji: slack 13.0 or current? [20:32] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:33] Kustnamenkloate (titan@unaffiliated/appetite) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:34] matt__ (~matt@c-24-131-74-82.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:35] _Jim_ (~Jim@058-050-080-189.macapaonline.com.br) left irc: Quit: _Jim_ [20:35] This is 13. [20:35] takeshita_kenji: hope this helps http://slacksite.com/slackware/raid.html [20:36] ok, so you're still working with kernels that name pata/sata as hd*/sd* [20:36] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:37] you'll want to keep in mind that hd* is deprecated in 13.1's kernel. everything's sd* [20:37] greetings and salutations [20:37] I'm not trying to boot on RAID. [20:37] KNULLA! [20:37] never said you were [20:37] he was referring to me i think [20:37] I'm booting on a single, regular PATA hard drive known as /dev/hda. It's the first bootable disk in the BIOS, and I booted off of it yesterday on 32-bit Slackware. [20:38] I am. [20:40] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:40] Why does 'lilo' fail on the Slack64 CD but not the regular Slackware CD? [20:41] *not on the regular [20:41] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] Action: alphageek knows not [20:41] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:41] Action: antiwire not knows [20:42] Is it futile? [20:42] takeshita_kenji: try to build lilo as epxert [20:42] expert* [20:43] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:43] interesting [20:44] takeshita_kenji: and what does fdisk -l /dev/hda says? [20:44] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:44] just for the hell of it, try installing lilo to the superblock of your /boot partition (I assume /dev/hda1) [20:44] then go back with fdisk & mark /dev/hda1 as bootable [20:45] alphageek: yes. its promising [20:46] I had odd issues installing to the mbr on one motherboard I was using (this is a while back). turns out it was the trend chipaway mbr virus protection nonsense built into the bios. likely not the same situation, but shit _does_ happen [20:46] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [20:47] you mean it reads it like its a virus? [20:47] matt__ (~matt@c-24-131-74-82.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:47] yeah [20:47] hold up. I have a pic somewhere [20:47] detailing "how" lilo fails may help those present to help you find out [20:48] http://omegageek.dyndns.org/temp/snaps/linuxvirus.jpg [20:48] andarius: Use your ESPN skills [20:48] I dont like sports :P [20:49] alphageek: i've seen those messages! Had a soyo motherboard :) [20:50] no idea what mobo what was. the pic is 4.5 years old & it was an old mobo then. p3 class, though, iirc [20:50] Typically that can be turned off though. At least it could on all mine that had that "feature" [20:51] it could be turned off, but it still reared its ugly head on boot. very weird, that [20:52] once I switched to installing lilo on the superblock of '/' (I use monolithic partitioning schemes), all was fine [20:52] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.34.212) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:55] lisak (~a@nat-1n-195-195.suchdol.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:55] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: Bye [20:56] NickyTheNose (1000@c-68-56-234-169.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] NickyTheNose (1000@c-68-56-234-169.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [21:04] tallship (~hammer@174.33.24.54) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:05] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.34.212) joined ##slackware. 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[21:30] I just went and did a fresh install again. [21:30] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:30] It's currently at the package category selection dialog. [21:31] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6A789.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [21:31] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [21:31] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [21:35] goj (~goj@p4FE6AC12.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:35] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:39] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [21:43] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:43] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.23.164) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:45] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:50] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [21:51] Can people see my last two messages? I got disconnected so I'm not sure. [21:51] I did not, twoshot_ [21:51] raela, k I'll repost them [21:51] I just installed wicd 1.7.0 and am getting a "bad password" error message while trying to connect to a wpa2 network, but I know the password is correct. [21:51] I was having the same problem with an older version before I installed 1.7.0. Any ideas? [21:53] twoshot_: is it new connect? [21:54] *connection [21:54] xsamurai (~munki@75.85.164.183) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:54] vehn_z, I haven't connected to this wireless on this OS if that's what you mean. [21:54] I am able to connect to an unsecured network near my house though. [21:54] So I know it's not my drivers. [21:55] Guess what. [21:55] I just reinstalled from the LiveCD and it worked. [21:58] I took care to zero out the first few sectors before trying this time, though. [21:59] Do I need to do something with the /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf file? [21:59] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:00] twoshot_: try remove /etc/wicd/wireless-settings.conf and restart wicd daemon. But you lose all wireless connections settings. It's help me sometimes. /etc/wicd/wireless-settings.conf will be recreating by wicd. [22:00] hiptobecubic (~john@75.111.175.180) joined ##slackware. [22:00] hiptobecubic (~john@75.111.175.180) left irc: Changing host [22:00] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [22:00] vehn_z, k I'll just move it in case it breaks. [22:02] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:02] newslacker (~kc@75-121-100-111.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:03] wario (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-zxmgtqsxqenxpheb) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:03] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:04] also check encryption settings in "Properties". Perhaps, it's wep, not wpa. [22:04] wario (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-jcmcrqbakalljwhr) joined ##slackware. [22:04] It's wpa. What is the daemon process? [22:04] wawowe (wawowe@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rmcjlrmhbftpbtxt) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:04] Where is it located? [22:04] wpa_supplicant [22:04] Action: NaCl vanishes [22:05] twoshot_: /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd restart [22:05] ah k. [22:05] ninja-salt [22:06] This is sort of random, but my 6 terminals (in addition to X) can emit colored text but normal terminals seem to not be able to. How do I fix that? [22:06] I guess I could always google it. [22:06] haha [22:06] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:09] vehn_z, It didn't work. A forum said to downgrade to 1.6 so I might do that [22:09] How do I get rid of the GTK immodules stuff at boot? [22:11] twoshot_: depend on terminal (Konsole, Terminal). In Terminal (Xfce) you need set "Run command as login shell" [22:12] So it looks like something hosed /boot. [22:13] jalfrock (~moy@24.145.149.162) joined ##slackware. [22:13] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet. [22:13] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:13] Have any openbox users noticed a change in behavior regarding windows gaining focus? [22:14] k. It's xfce. [22:14] It used to be the case that a window gaining focus would jump to the active workspace, now that is no longer the case [22:16] anyone know anything about freebsd? [22:16] newslacker (kc@75-121-100-111.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware. [22:16] I've done some FreeBSD. [22:16] te_ (~te@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [22:16] doesnt use gpl [22:17] ) [22:17] sure wish I could install mysql-workbench (without installing gnome). :( [22:17] v4nelle (~van@79.107.196.122) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:17] one can also get color on the terminal by setting an alias in their .bashrc [22:17] takeshita_kenji, do you know how to enable gnome in bsd? [22:18] Yes: http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/faq2.html [22:18] i've installed it and such... [22:19] Do you want to use GDM as your login screen? [22:20] sure [22:20] anything really. [22:21] I remember something about inittab there. [22:22] Hmm. It's been such a long time I can't remember. [22:22] ahh, i messed up in a conf file [22:22] change init: 3 to init: 4 [22:22] is there a shell editor like editor in bash? [22:23] i use mcedit [22:23] http://xercestech.com/wild-fox-firefox-with-h-264-support.geek [22:23] there is joe, ed, vi [22:23] With the way I keep my zsh, vi is the closest thing to a text editor that follows its behavior. [22:23] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:24] takeshita_kenji: so, turns up it needed a reformat after all :) [22:24] Well, thanks for the help everyone. Slack64 appears to be working. [22:24] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) joined ##slackware. [22:24] Yeah, I think writing the USB image partition table to /dev/hda did something weird to fdisk. [22:24] atom___ (~atom@c-68-53-183-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] wowowowow [22:24] good night :) [22:25] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:25] Hail Bob! [22:25] takeshita_kenji (~takeshita@c-24-19-4-122.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:25] hi i just did an install of slackware 13.0 and i stripped down the install very very much and now it says expr: syntax error and that my slackpkg.conf is out of date [22:25] I was hailed? [22:25] slackpkg new-config doesnt work [22:26] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:26] try reinstalling slackplg [22:27] and find out what you removed that slackpkg requires to operate [22:27] jalfrock (~moy@24.145.149.162) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:27] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:27] tpocra (~kvirc@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:28] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:29] atom___: what does `which expr` show you? 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[22:40] Okay, now I'm having a more normal problem. [22:40] My printer, which uses SpliX, won't print from CUPS. [22:40] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:40] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [22:41] Here's some log output: http://pastebin.com/ZDbwR4j0 [22:41] takeshita_kenji: slackware-current? [22:41] No, 13.0. [22:42] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.165) joined ##slackware. [22:42] I've used SpliX with this printer back when Gentoo ran on the server. [22:43] "Hint: Try setting the LogLevel to "debug" to find out more" ) [22:43] I use splix too. [22:44] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:44] takeshita_kenji: change warn to debug in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf [22:44] Just did. [22:44] Copying the stuff now. [22:44] jalfrock (~moy@24.145.149.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:44] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:44] This sound good?: grep '\[Job 2\]' /var/log/cups/error_log [22:45] Ah, I found it. [22:45] It wants libfontconfig. [22:45] hm.. [22:45] fontconfig installed? [22:46] Nope. [22:46] That explains it. [22:46] you don't use X? [22:46] Nope. [22:46] guys... i need to build ffmpeg with --enable-libamr-nb and --enable-libamr-wb options using sbopkg. Now sbopkg does allow specifying build options... but can someone tell me how? should i pick up the vaiables from ffmpeg.slackbuild and set them in 'Options' menu in sbopkg? or just specify the mentioned options in the 'Options' menu? [22:46] I built the Gentoo system with USE="-X". [22:46] server? or you poor console man? :) [22:46] Server. [22:47] Well, both slackpkg and sbopkg can't find fontconfig. [22:47] jrt05 (~jason@c-98-196-24-103.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:48] takeshita_kenji: x86 or x86_64? [22:48] x86-64. [22:48] fontconfig-2.6.0-x86_64-2 [22:48] slackpkg found it here [22:48] diven (~diven@cpe-72-183-237-2.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:49] I wonder why it couldn't find it on my system. [22:49] no idea, try updating and searching again [22:49] takeshita_kenji: ftp://darkstar.ist.utl.pt/pub/slackware/slackware64-13.0/slackware64/x/fontconfig-2.6.0-x86_64-2.txz [22:49] An update said that there were no changes in CHangeLog.txt. [22:49] Thanks. [22:50] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:50] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [22:50] Ah, there we go. [22:50] what is your command exactly? slackpkg search fontconfig? [22:50] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:51] slackpkg install fontconfig [22:51] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:53] In any case, printing works again. [22:53] you uncomment mirror in /etc/slackpkg/mirror? [22:53] damn should have known alienbob would have troubleshooting info for freenx on his wiki. all the wasted time! [22:54] veritos (~veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:56] Action: veritos has achieved victory in freeing takeshita_kenji from the clutches of Gentoo! [22:56] (Well, Gentoo helped out plenty...) [22:58] Well, my other machines, including the webcomic site, will still run Gentoo for now. [22:58] So, how much fun will you guys have when CUPS 1.4 replaces 1.3? [22:58] rworkman: you about by chance? [22:58] lpusb problems and such. [22:58] Dominian: wotsa [23:00] sup FriedBob [23:00] takeshita_kenji: it was fixed, see ChangeLog for current. Cups 1.4 has nice web-interface now :) [23:00] Yes. My desktop has had CUPS 1.4 for a few months. [23:01] It's nice that CUPS 1.4 and 1.3 can interoperate nicely, but IPP is IPP. [23:01] slackware (released versions like 12.2 and 13.0) is supposed be a distro where you maintain the system yourself right? [23:01] i just want to make sure that im using it correctly [23:01] To use Slackware correctly, you must always have some sort of terminal open. [23:02] Dominian: Not much, reading up on some php, smoking and trying to get a proposal ready to present to my boss [23:02] FriedBob: ahhh [23:02] FriedBob: Nothing that cool here... looking at Glocks [23:02] Action: atom___ uses slackware as he would LFS [23:02] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:03] Dominian: Cool. I would like to have an IDF issue DE. Not the civial ones, but the original ones created for the IDF. [23:03] eh.. a glock is a glock ;) [23:03] Glock 23 is what I'm lookin' at [23:03] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [23:06] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:06] Uncyclopedia has an epic entry about Slackware. [23:06] alright guys im takin off. got slackpkg workin again :-D [23:07] you all take GREAT CARE of yourselves [23:07] atom___ (atom@c-68-53-183-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:07] Dominian: those 9mm? [23:07] FriedBob: .40 [23:08] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) joined ##slackware. [23:09] FriedBob: no money for one right now [23:09] just browsin' [23:09] bbiab [23:09] STUPID LAKERS [23:09] Dominian: Even if I had the money, my wife would veto. And what I want isn't available to civilians. [23:10] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [23:10] FriedBob, could always steal it like land.. [23:10] ...I've downgraded to 1.6.2 and 1.5.9. Neither of them work. Any other ideas before I give up on wicd and either do it manually or install network-manager? [23:11] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-091-096-101-108.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [23:11] jeev: You can't steal what was yours originally. But that's a discussion for a different forum [23:11] twoshot_: post /var/log/wicd/wicd.log [23:11] k [23:11] But use pastebin or something like that. [23:12] of course [23:12] FriedBob, if you lost it, taking it back is considered stealing, especially when you force the current owners out with no choice and with no respect to their laws and land.. and when everyone else is against you stealing it back, even if it was yours a long time ago. [23:12] what mean "k"? [23:12] *means [23:12] vehn_z, short for "ok" [23:12] thanks [23:13] jkwood: a bit late... pong [23:13] TehRabbitt (~Rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] has anyone tried point to point wifi ? [23:16] or maybe i'm saying it wrong [23:17] vehn_z, http://pastebin.com/gmbPky3W [23:17] Dominian: If you got one, would you for concealed carry permit, assuming it is available where you are? [23:17] FriedBob, i wouldn't trust Dominian with a permit. [23:18] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:20] TehRabbitt (~Rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:20] TehRabbitt (~Rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:21] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:21] and it just lost connection to here even :( [23:22] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:22] anyoen here? [23:22] yeah [23:22] Depends on how you define "here" [23:22] Action: NaCl isn't [23:22] I think "here" is on irc [23:23] Nope, definitely not [23:23] aight at least i know i'm not kicked off again 0_o [23:23] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:23] like the signal is 75% and i keep getting disconnected from the internet (though I can still ping out) [23:24] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:28] TehRabbitt (~Rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:28] Anyway, thanks for the hpl. [23:28] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:28] *help [23:28] You'll see me again someday. [23:28] Well, if NFS borks, but you can never tell with that. [23:28] takeshita_kenji (~takeshita@c-24-19-4-122.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:28] TehRabbitt (~Rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:29] keeps kicking me off too :-\ [23:29] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:30] FriedBob: yeah I can carry concealed [23:30] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:30] FriedBob: they call it a personal protection permit [23:31] Dominian: Cool [23:31] When I get back to MO, I may see about getting one. Depends on time and cost though [23:31] loafmeat (~flautar@cpe-67-49-158-170.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:31] FriedBob: same [23:31] FriedBob: you can get a lifetime personal protection permit.. but its like 150bucks [23:31] I need to do some other things, like get my Master's and my CFE and A+ [23:31] Dominian: One time 150 isn't bad. Better than an annual cost. [23:32] FriedBob: true [23:32] Cann0n (~jack@dialup-4.91.96.53.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [23:32] ViN86 (~ViN86@SYDNEYPACIFIC-SEVEN-THIRTY-EIGHT.MIT.EDU) joined ##slackware. [23:32] FriedBob: My wife doesn't like guns, but she understands why I want it [23:32] FriedBob: although my father-in-law thinks I have a bad temper and afraid I'd use it on someone [23:32] Dominian: Mine doesn't either, esp with is trying to have kids. [23:32] Well, I know plenty of parents that have guns in the house... their kids are fine. [23:32] 4v4 atacama, panama, valdez, our server [23:32] loafmeat (~flautar@cpe-67-49-158-170.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [23:32] Just have to be smart about what you do with them, although you can't account for every situation unfortunately [23:33] lulz wrong channel [23:33] Dominian: I know too. But it's not worth fighting about right now. [23:33] hehe [23:33] I want to get a lifetime hunting and fishing permit, but at my age that will be quite costly. [23:33] how much does it cost? [23:34] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:34] wow that's a lot... [23:35] ViN86: $400 for the lifetime hunting permit [23:35] TehRabbitt (~Rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:35] TehRabbitt (~Rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:35] FriedBob: expensive, but reasonable [23:35] ViN86: And another $400 for the fishing permit [23:35] well id do one at a time heh [23:35] If I wait 2 years, it'll be $350 each [23:36] that's worth it [23:36] can someone please give me at least an idea of what i might wanna check since it seems to kick me off of everything once every 4 min or so? [23:36] But that is also just for "small game", doesn't cover deer [23:36] dios_mio (dios@88.242.164.203) joined ##slackware. [23:36] straterra goes to christian rooms on dalnet!!! [23:37] dios_mio: Who cares? [23:39] jacksonbr (~jackson@201-75-2-79-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:39] veritos (veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:40] dios_mio: that's a bad thing..? [23:41] raela, well, not to me, obviously i go there too since thats where i bumped into him :P .... but considering you are all geeks and nerds and most of you follow the religion of the jedi or something, then i assume you must look down upon christians, so i just wanted to damage straterra's reputation because he is generally mean to me [23:41] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:41] can anyone at least tell me if this is something common that happens with wicd or if it's just my machine being weird? [23:42] dios_mio: I have yet to see anyone here discriminate based on religion.. in fact, I know some very religious people here [23:42] te_ (~te@74.113.242.6) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:42] dios_mio: that is such a Christian thing to do... [23:42] Though honestly, all you are doing is hurting your own reputation [23:43] heh nobody likes me in here anyway [23:43] because i use ubuntu [23:43] lol [23:43] i am a bigger infidel than a windows user! [23:43] I use WIndows too. *shrug* and OS X. [23:43] yeah i am on windows now [23:43] dios_mio: have you ever thought that maybe it's your personality, not your OS/distro, that people don't like? [23:44] I don't even have a running Slackbox ATM. [23:44] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:44] raela, heh, lets be honest here.. it is not about my personality.. i am not any more cocky or smartassish than any other geeks in here [23:44] dios_mio: But do you contribute at all? [23:45] Or do you just troll? [23:45] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:45] dios_mio: you come here all of the time comparing slack to ubuntu, or trying to steer people towards ubuntu.. [23:45] FriedBob: troll really [23:45] FriedBob, you know, i did actually try and help some newbies, and the regulars just dont appreciate it, because you know, i break the "code" of the slackware user, and the common linux geek [23:45] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:45] "code"? [23:45] What code? [23:45] raela, not really no.. thats the two times you ever seen me.. [23:46] you know the code.. things like "dont irc or run X as root", or like "dont suggest newbies other distros for desktop use" stuff like that... [23:46] or any practical solutions that goes against the tradition [23:46] TehRabbitt (~Rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:46] dios_mio: Well, IRCing as root is a bad idea. [23:46] yes yes [23:46] This channel won't let you do it. :P [23:46] its tradition to irc as root? [23:46] I irc as admin on my XP box.. big deal [23:47] And this is a Slackware channel, not a general linux channel. [23:47] yeah man.. whatever [23:47] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-185-76.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:47] soooo....what's going on ????? [23:47] heya,folks [23:47] did i come in at a baaaad time [23:47] That'd be like going into the Ubunto channel and trying to get people to switch to Gentoo or whatever. [23:47] hey MLanden :3 [23:47] heya,fhobia [23:47] fhobia: Naw, what's up? [23:48] hmm, i used to call rc.inet1 restart upon resuming from suspend and irssi would reconnect immediately ...now i use wicd and irssi just times out and i have to manually restart irssi [23:48] FriedBob, when i see a newbie that is struggling to install or update an application, you just feel sorry for him/her, and you cant help but mention the options he/she has.. such as debian (doesnt have to be ubuntu)... because you know, it installs stuff: apt-get install this, and it is done in seconds [23:48] dios_mio: yeah, sometimes i recommend them to use ubuntu [23:49] dios_mio: "give a man a fish..." [23:50] fhobia, i mean, we all know how painful it is to go and install each dependency one by one, and they all need their own dependencies.. such pain, takes hours.. and what if the newbie isnt even aware of debian or ubuntu? i would be just cruel, watch him struggle with slackware, just because the leet gods of slackware like it that way [23:50] It's a learning experience. [23:50] FriedBob, it is only fun to do it if the guy actually enjoys compling stuff... you know.. most people are just desktop users, and not training to become a system admin, and to work at an ISP and run unix servers.. [23:50] how can someone be trying to use slackware and not know of other distros like ubuntu. [23:51] dios_mio: most people should just use windows [23:51] Or OS X. [23:51] NaCl, that assumes the guy is training for an IT job.. and not using linux just because it is free and cant be infected with spyware... and a better alternative to windows... at home desktop use [23:51] fhobia, refer to my last post [23:51] and consider the thousands in #ubuntu.. and think about what they are doing [23:51] they are desktop users [23:51] don't care what they do ! [23:51] :3 :3 [23:52] dios_mio: one uses Slackware to be in control of their system, or because they want to learn. [23:52] I use it cause I like it. And when I first got into Linux, it was the only one that woudl install on the hardware I had at the time [23:54] dios_mio shut the hell up already [23:54] TehRabbitt (~Rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] nacl, slackware fans are like that for sure... i was just considering the possiblity of a newbie to linux at all, and he is not even aware that there are distros with much more advanced systems of installing packages, such as debian and ubuntu... thats all.. I am not here on a crusade to convince ALL slack users to switch [23:54] XD [23:54] every day it's the same thing...blah blah ubuntu vs debian vs slackware [23:54] get a new script already [23:54] Action: NaCl wasn't suggesting anything of that sort [23:54] whatever [23:55] NaCl: Whatcha been up to tonight? [23:55] work [23:55] are ppl in turkey all this repetitive or just you? [23:55] lol [23:56] /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart == (what using wicd?) [23:56] NaCl: I know the feeling. [23:56] mancha, i didnt bring the topic to this.. they asked and i was answering.. and your leet ip-lookup skillz are impressive [23:56] fhobia i think you' [23:56] fhobia, you want me to try that? or is that not directed to me? [23:56] you're supposed to do away with those scripts is you use wicd... [23:56] te_ (~te@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [23:56] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.33.159) joined ##slackware. [23:57] if you use* [23:57] mancha, I never had those scripts to begin with afaik [23:57] FriedBob: yeah... [23:57] Automatic dependency tracking can cause major issues. [23:57] yeah, mancha, wicd does eventually reconnect but not fast enough and irssi times out and stops trying to reconnect [23:57] dios_mio, that might be (that somoene else brought it up) but YOU are always involved in such discussions. don't you get bored of distro flame wars? ever? [23:57] i used to do rc.inet1 restart on resume and irssi would reconnect and i'd be back on my way :3 [23:57] Or even minor ones that are just not fun. [23:58] mancha, why wont you mind your own business? i will discuss whatever i want.. you can ignore or just fuck off [23:58] NaCl: way too much to do, and all of it "high priority" and needed to be done last week. [23:58] (Or last month in some cases) [23:58] at some point you gotta think...damn, i've argued distro flames for 2 months straight, maybe i should go to my neighborhood marketplace and order some apple tea... [23:58] Ops? Someone want to calm the situation? [23:58] FriedBob: so true [23:58] mancha, i dont do that... just because you saw me twice talking about that doesnt mean that it is my only topic [23:58] mancha: apple tea? sounds good [23:59] Motoko-chan: it'll blow over soon... [23:59] apple tea is quite good, actually [23:59] I had some nice cherry-berry tea today. [23:59] we gotta pretend the elephant isn't in the room guys [23:59] I had hojicha this morning. [23:59] Action: fhobia whistles [23:59] sirslacker (~sirslacke@tmo-098-124.customers.d1-online.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:59] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:59] I had some super strong black coffee ;/ [00:00] --- Tue May 18 2010