[00:00] Old_Fogie: It doesn't even show up as a Removeable Disk in XP, it just doesn't see it at all. [00:00] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [00:00] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.98) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:01] firebird619, oh man that don't sound good. [00:02] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:02] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:03] Hm, Windows Media Player sees it. [00:03] And shows the music on it. [00:03] It doesn't show up in My Computer though. [00:03] must be the genuine advantage,(bah doomp doomp) [00:03] haha. [00:03] can it play a song from it? [00:04] not sure yet. [00:04] btw, I'd rather have the Linux advantage over genuine advantage any day. :P [00:05] yeah if you're not getting a drive letter, you cant run scandisk on it. xp pro might see it in , c/panel, admin tools, disk snap-in? [00:07] xiws (n=xiws13@221.236.195.119) joined ##slackware. [00:07] xiws (n=xiws13@221.236.195.119) left ##slackware ("‚»"). [00:07] xiws (n=xiws13@221.236.195.119) joined ##slackware. [00:07] xiws (n=xiws13@221.236.195.119) left ##slackware ("‚»"). [00:07] firebird619: you might wanna try this version of windows. http://www.antra.dk/winrg.swf [00:08] xiws (n=xiws13@221.236.195.119) joined ##slackware. [00:08] Old_Fogie: Nope, doesn't see it there. [00:08] Old_Fogie: It doesn't play either, it only shows up in the copy section of wmp to copy from it. [00:08] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [00:09] lol [00:09] firebird619, backup, sounds like that thing is toast :( [00:09] agentc0re: haha. nice. [00:09] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-74-109-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [00:09] it's interactive [00:09] Old_Fogie: yup, it unfortunately does. At least I still have my Sansa Clip that supports ogg and flac. :) [00:10] ah ok. bbiaj [00:10] xiws (n=xiws13@221.236.195.119) left irc: Client Quit [00:10] xiws (n=xiws13@221.236.195.119) joined ##slackware. [00:10] agentc0re: That's a very realistic version of windows with the missing dll messages, etc. [00:11] it's the Really Good edition for a reason! [00:11] xiws (n=xiws13@221.236.195.119) left irc: Client Quit [00:11] xiws (n=xiws13@221.236.195.119) joined ##slackware. [00:11] agentc0re: I still have a the disc for a game called WinBlows 98 that popped up with tons if error messages, crazy warnings, etc. [00:11] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:12] habtool_ (n=habtool@86-41-74-109-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [00:14] This player was only $10.99 on buy.com reconditioned, so I'm not out to much. [00:15] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [00:15] tommcd (n=tom@c-68-63-85-178.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:17] BP{k}: Heh, heineken ad(maybe) http://www.antra.dk/heineken.swf [00:20] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.98) joined ##slackware. [00:21] agentc0re: haha that's cool [00:23] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:23] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:24] BP{k}: curious, for your linode what all did you install? Did you just skip out on all the X stuff or did you just pick packages out one at a time? [00:28] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-74-109-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Connection timed out [00:30] agentc0re: I was lazy mostly :) I used all minutes X/XAP/KDE/K/F/E [00:30] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:31] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:33] DUDES i seriously need an exorcists to exorcise the demon(s) living in my box. will pay with beer. [00:34] antler: LOL [00:35] i have a shotgun [00:35] i'll do it [00:35] if you give me beer to shoot your computer with some 00 i'm down [00:35] that's exorcism by killing the possessed [00:36] heh [00:37] Action: vastina is lost in this one [00:37] oh yeah... daemons, eh i'm torn [00:38] s/st/g and ye shall understand all [00:38] slug FTW! [00:38] speaking of shotguns, i'm probably going down to get one tomorrow. [00:39] what for? [00:39] this kind? http://www.shotgunparty.com/images/brittney/Brittney-Shotgun-With-Can.gif [00:39] nullboy: http://www.impactguns.com/store/047700814001.html [00:39] antler: why not? [00:39] i have a few guns [00:39] lol [00:39] antler: to shot old hard drives. [00:40] hahah [00:40] nullboy: seriously? what kind? [00:40] i probably have like 50 hard drives at work that i need to destroy data on. this is the easiest and funnest way. [00:40] i have a Winchester for the shotgun and a Ruger .45 [00:40] P345 [00:40] that's a handgun' [00:41] nullboy: This one would be sweet too, http://www.impactguns.com/store/048702176791.html [00:41] although the sights on it make me laugh. [00:42] agentc0re: holy shit! doood [00:42] this is the next shotgun i want http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/shotgun.jpg [00:42] an old school trench gun [00:42] looks like a trenchgun [00:42] haha [00:42] heh [00:42] wow [00:43] stickeywicket (n=stickeyw@ip68-99-190-131.oc.oc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:43] i try and go to shoot at least once a month [00:43] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.30.225) joined ##slackware. [00:43] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:43] why not the plasma phase riffle in the 40 watt range? [00:43] this is not mine but i have the same gun: http://guntalk.dbw.org/images/illustrations/ruger/rugerP345b.jpg [00:44] that thing means business. it's no joke of a handgun [00:44] r10m (n=r10m@189.23.192.2) joined ##slackware. [00:44] i like that. [00:44] Action: vastina enjoys a S&W model 627, Mossberg 590 and a Colt NRM [00:44] r10m (n=r10m@189.23.192.2) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:44] nullboy: how many rounds? [00:45] antler: i'm in CA so i am stuck with a max of 10 but my mags are 8 round mags [00:45] da uzi 9mm [00:45] CA=California in my context [00:45] antler: i coudl do 1 in the chamber and 8 in the mag though so that = 9 with my current mags [00:46] you really know your weapons buddy - any one of these is ideal for home defense [00:46] stickeywicket: who? [00:46] nullboy: definitely like the hand gun [00:46] whats the max number of rounds a handgun can have nowadays? [00:46] antler: me too, it's a really easy gun to use [00:46] stickeywicket: hey, just what you see, pal [00:46] sorry - just cool to hear someone who can quote t1 lines :-) [00:46] sahko: depends on the law of the land [00:47] nullboy: leaving laws aside? [00:47] stickeywicket: haha [00:47] sahko: as many as you make the mag hold [00:47] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@130.42.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: "Saliendo" [00:47] sahko: there are custom magazines for glocks that can hold over 100 [00:47] yes, over 100 for a handgun. [00:47] the mag is bigger than the whole gun [00:48] hmm i am not familiar with the terminology whats a mag? [00:48] stickeywicket: ds3/T1 lines are typically in the 400-1200 range perm month depening upon location if within the US [00:48] sahko: Depends on the size of your magazine :P [00:48] sahko: the thing that the bullets go in [00:48] nullboy: that's nutz, man. 100 + 1 hahah [00:48] sahko: the part that slides into the handle of the gun and holds the bullets [00:48] DS3!=T1 though. [00:49] agentc0re: going off advertising, don't need a technical lecture when i possess enough cisco certs to be worth my salt [00:49] you can get T1 for around $250. We had a DS3 and it cost us about $4k a month. [00:49] xikyu46 (n=kvirc@222.124.24.80) joined ##slackware. [00:49] agentc0re: what area? [00:49] SLC, UT. [00:50] i used to work there, in the att building, sugar house [00:50] :) [00:50] I switched us over to QMOE, quests fiber network. [00:50] I work in a clinic at the St. Marks Hospital. [00:50] yeah i was doing a project with ATT and Vehix.com [00:51] QMOE gives us 10Mb internet, and then point to point connections with two offices that have 20Mb lines and another with a 30Mb line. All of that costs us just 1k more a month than that DS3. [00:52] agentc0re: i'm sceptical of that differential, sounds a bit ludicrous [00:52] quest has screwed up one of the orders too and one office gets 20/50Mb. heh. [00:52] nullboy: let me get this straight. are you suggesting that there are handgungs that can carry 100 bullets? do you have any pic of such things? [00:52] vastina: What do you mean? [00:52] i'm a state away from you and ds3's are advertised in alignment to the t1's [00:53] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:53] vastina: Wow. Well the DS3 was before my time. Maybe they were getting the shaft. [00:53] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.30.225) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:53] sahko: i'm not suggesting it, that is the case. there are specialized magazines [00:53] sahko: like this http://coffeeandcapitalism.com/blog2/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/glock-beta-600.jpg [00:53] agentc0re: not a big deal, just opinions... brb [00:53] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [00:53] vastina: you know i was talking about a movie right? [00:54] stickeywicket: no... guess i started a new conversation about nothing, cheers :) [00:54] Action: vastina feels like a knob [00:54] that's just a spiral of bullets all throughout that magazine. it's a double stacked magazine so you have two sides feeding [00:55] nullboy: ah, i see your point. those are addons though. thats not how many the gun can take [00:55] sahko: that gun in the image can take every bit of that [00:55] vastina: Seems a little weird that they would sell a DS3 which is about 29 times faster than a T1 for around the same cost. [00:55] I guess if the infrastructure is already there, maybe it's a better deal. [00:55] but you cant carry that monster around. [00:56] like a handgun [00:56] sahko: this is more in line with what you are thinking http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/4430/g18cyu5.jpg [00:56] antler: what is your fav - spas12 or the amt45 [00:56] that's probably 18-20 round mag [00:56] I know that they paid about 14k to put in fiber from the CO to the building because qwest hadn't do so yet. Not sure why they had to pay for it because in the end, qwest owned all those lines. [00:56] sahko: that's just a standard extended mag [00:57] heh, extended mags look so bad ass. [00:57] agentc0re: Level3 owns a lot more lines in your and my area... and they also play a large factor in the pricing i''m looking at [00:58] stickeywicket: http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q123/shaz77/big-joint.jpg <--- this is. [00:58] well not more than Qwest, but substantial [00:58] i reckon they may own more fibre backbones, but i need to look that up [00:58] antler: krikey! [00:59] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:59] i meant ds1.... christ i sound like a f*ckin idiot, forgive me [00:59] agentc0re: soz man [01:00] my head was thinking ds1 i was typing ds3 [01:00] paissad (n=paissad@38.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: No route to host [01:00] HA, where are those cisco certs now? [01:00] :P [01:00] Owned by A+ and NET+! [01:00] fireking (n=STRESSAD@201.86.180.14.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:00] up my arse right now i guess [01:00] haha [01:00] sorry for the steam, this is a humbling moment [01:01] it's all good. We all make mistakes. [01:01] I thought you were thinking DS1 so that's why i mentioned the speed difference up above. [01:02] yeah, i get all that now... ha [01:02] that whole thing stemmed off a type-o and my head not thinking.... now i know how microsoft programmers write code.... [01:03] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [01:08] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@130.42.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [01:08] bijit (n=benji@200.122.188.156) joined ##slackware. [01:10] agentc0re: so you're in a healthcare setting [01:11] must be some good job security eh? [01:11] stickeywicket (n=stickeyw@ip68-99-190-131.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: [01:11] We're not doing too good actually this year. [01:11] Not anything that would close us down though. [01:11] lots of lazy people, including the doc's. [01:12] Actually, i would never recommend working for doctors. I'll probably only stay around for another year or two. I want to make sure that they are taken care of before i leave. The last Admin left them with a bunch of old 2000 servers/domain and it's really just rotting away. [01:13] vutrong (n=vutrong@222.253.79.170) joined ##slackware. [01:13] xikyu46 (n=kvirc@222.124.24.80) left ##slackware ("Time makes no sense"). [01:14] So until i am done making the necessary changes so they don't just own a bunch of dying equipment, i'm staying. [01:14] agentc0re: yeah, i'm now in hospitality, and of course this "economic" bollox going on is screwing us up, but a lot of our stuff is still on windows 2003 server to my dismay... it's turning around though [01:15] talking about medical research? [01:15] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [01:15] agris: far from it [01:15] oh, ok. i just wondered if someone here doing what i'm going to do starting may [01:16] i know every job is going to have politics but there is just too much for me to handle in the medical field. it's a little overwhelming. [01:16] agris: what type of medical research? [01:16] straterr1 (n=straterr@projectstfu.com) joined ##slackware. [01:16] agris: what aspect of med research? my degree is in bioengineering, did a lot of medical research [01:16] fireking (n=STRESSAD@201.86.180.14.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: [01:16] http://dokumeds.lv [01:17] i'm going to renew and remake it structure etc [01:17] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:17] sounds right up my alley, plan on working with the pharmaceutical juggernauts? [01:17] straterra (n=straterr@projectstfu.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:17] Side note, is there a reason why apache isn't build with --enable-suexec? [01:17] so, i wondered if there some *nix alternatives :) mostly just windows as far as i know [01:17] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-20.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:17] agris: huh? [01:18] agris: so you'd be part of designing clinical trials, like the interfaces and such? [01:18] vastina: well, all systems working on windows right now, and there's plan to renew all soft blablabla :) [01:18] vutrong (n=vutrong@222.253.79.170) left irc: "Leaving" [01:18] nullboy: nope, just administering boxes [01:19] ah nice [01:19] vastina: I would settle for 2003. [01:19] agris: well there's many *?x variants branches from sysV (linux typically) and csrg (bsd side).... alternatives is a bit broad [01:19] hmm [01:20] vastina: you see, 2000 doesn't have VSS. I need VSS for backups. Well maybe not "need" but it will make everything so much easier. [01:20] agentc0re: why don't use rsync for example? :) [01:21] agentc0re: what media are you suing for backup? tape? [01:21] s/suing/using* [01:21] yht|off (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:21] one of the worst things we have is exchange 2000. I've had to impose new mailbox limits twice since i've been there because of idiots just allowing their mailbox to become full of shit and corrupt the exchange DB. EX2000's limit is only 16GB. [01:22] vastina: Yup. [01:22] g, i've got just one account for 18Gb already on ex2k3 [01:23] agentc0re: for the love of god, please use IMAP, oh god i hate exchange, such a thorn in my side for mutt... [01:23] agris: I use Bacula to do backup's. Really it's no the method that's the problem, it's that lots of files are in use. rsync would run into the same issues that i do with my current solution of not being able to write in use files. VSS would allow me to copy files that are in use. [01:23] hey, exchange 2k3 is quite good after all, especially if you know what and where to look in registry :D [01:23] vastina: i can't. They love exchange. And while i hate to admit it, Exchange is probably one of the best groupware mail clients out there. [01:23] does Bacula support shadow copying? [01:24] nullboy: Yes it does. [01:24] nice [01:24] agentc0re: mt and mtx work just fine for me [01:24] nullboy: I am still working on the slack build for that btw. I am just needing to build the client part of it. [01:24] awesome [01:24] i think a few people in here use Bacula too [01:25] agentc0re: i've read similar things, but call me old school, i really need cross platform support that just works, you know? [01:25] i thought exchange did IMAP too? [01:25] exchange just drives me crazy [01:25] nullboy: it does [01:25] vastina: I am actually not a big fan of bacula. I am going to be switching to Zmanda around the end of this year. I've had a few problems with bacula that i have been unable to get any sort of answer on and their pay support is like $4k. [01:25] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [01:26] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:26] $4k, bit ludicrous for second rate support [01:27] Problem with the exchange DB is it also caches what people are viewing. So the db is going to consist of all the mailbox data plus the recently used data. So some is dup'd. I really hate that about exchange. [01:27] vastina: Ya, it is. [01:27] just sad how many companies don't bid properly for their support contract yet bitch when they're expected to follow the word they gave to win the contract [01:27] agentc0re: likewise [01:28] Zmanda has a really nice model and it's all based off of simple mtx commands and tar.bz everything. So if zmanda breaks, you don't need it to read your data. Bacula, you would need it to read the data because it's a propriety format. [01:28] i wish they'd but the exchange db on something more sql style for efficiency [01:28] Or like postfix and have individual files per email. [01:29] Because of their method, restoring email is a PITA. [01:29] first you'd have to restore the DB. [01:29] agentc0re: which is why i'd suggest mt, mtx or their daughter programs, simple, logs legibly, and streamlined... no bloat [01:30] Take exchange offline, unload the current DB and load in the old one. Then extract the email. Unload the old and reload the Current and then import the email. [01:30] sendmail! [01:30] vastina: I'm lazy. Would rather a program do it for me. [01:30] Old_Fogie: :D [01:31] agentc0re: why do you think 7/11 is nearly at every corner on the western side of the US, convenience.... Zmanda sounds like a good tool, reading up a bit of it [01:31] vastina: I like it because it comes with exchange/mssql features that make backing that stuff up easier. [01:31] at least easier than bacula ;) [01:32] agris++ [01:32] agris: which i believe is the overall aim [01:32] agentc0re: does it backup exchange in community version too? [01:33] I like bacula, but i think it's good for something a bit smaller than me. I think i'm boarder line. Plus i'd rather make my life a bit easier and pay for that support if i need it. It's cheaper with them. [01:33] community version? [01:33] exchange is that much of a pain to back up huh? I'm not being wise here, nor comparing features, etc, but mysql/lamp == n-i-c-e (at least for our uses here and $OTHERS given the gift of a lin server via Old_Fogie :) [01:33] agentc0re: well, there's community and enterprise versions as i see it [01:33] Oh, Std version. [01:34] Yes, it will backup any version. [01:34] one is free, 2nd - for money :) [01:34] agentc0re, lol "Std" version of MS Server -- a virii 'std' get it (pun intended) [01:34] lol [01:34] :) [01:34] agris: Wait, what? MS doesn't give exchange out for free... not that i'm aware of. [01:35] agentc0re: i mean... amanda/zmanda ;) does it backup exchange? [01:35] I think they were to college stud's to try and get them hooked into MS ways not too long ago, some dev tools too iirc. [01:35] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:36] OO, I bought a new server today. 6x450Gb 15k SAS drives, Dual QUAD core 2.6Ghz, Perc 6/i 2xDual Intel 1Gb NICs. Should be a sweet XEN server. [01:36] how long to build kde on that sucker? [01:37] agris: Oh, the community version i don't think has those addons. not sure though. [01:37] agentc0re: fsck you man... jealous [01:37] agris: I know one thing for sure, which is what i really want because i have too much to configure by hand and it nearly killed me to do it in bacula, is a GUI to set everything up. That only comes with paying. [01:37] ok, thanks [01:39] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.30.225) joined ##slackware. [01:39] I have another that's close to that, but 250Gb SATA, 2.0ghz, perc 5/e(i think) and only dual broadcom's. definately the bastard server now. [01:39] Both have 8Gb ram... I know it's on the low side, but the new one will be getting an upgrade to 16Gb [01:39] how much for the bastard? [01:39] what's the mileage? [01:40] I got a really good deal. $6,700 with shipping and taxes. [01:41] not bad, what vendor do you use if you don't mind [01:41] Dell. [01:41] Action: vastina nods and should have recognised the broadcom nic [01:41] mohaa (n=mohaa@ANantes-157-1-105-151.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:41] they take decent care of us [01:42] Ya, my other dell server has never had any issues. Can't say the same for any of my HP servers. [01:42] and our EMR vender is the one forcing us to buy the HP ones. [01:42] I hate them with a passion. [01:42] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.30.225) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [01:43] agentc0re: actually thanks for that feedback, means more than i can convey in this channel [01:43] i was deliberating between them on a minor server [01:43] what failed on the hp? [01:44] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-133-59.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [01:44] mohaa (n=mohaa@ANantes-157-1-25-30.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:45] tommcd (n=tom@c-68-63-85-178.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:45] Well i think i just had a string of bad luck. But we got this new All in one storage servers, Aio1200's with ms60(think that's the model) addons. We got two of each. They hold all our images for ECHO's (ultrasound). Had a ton of drive failures in both units. Had to replace almost everything but the MB. [01:45] they also gave us two different kinds of HD's. they're all SATA but half is 1.5GB and the other are 3.0GB [01:46] ooh, that's a serious thorn when it comes to raid configurations... [01:46] what were they thinking? come on it's hp.... [01:46] one morning i came in to a 4 drive failure event which cost us a data loss(setup is in a Raid6). [01:47] man, i always use raid 5's, guess i'm just more accustomed, i could do without the parity block, never helped me in my experimental runs [01:48] Zozma (n=Winter@d4-103.rb.vcr.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [01:48] fortunately one of the drives was the OS drive and in it's own array. But the other 3 were part of the data array. I didn't have a hot spare but it also probably would have never saved me. My EMR guys are the ones who set it up with out the hot spare, that's when i stopped trusting them entirely. [01:49] WOW.... you're kidding... [01:49] Nope. [01:49] i'd be livid... [01:50] sorry to read that [01:50] I can't tell you how many times i've just wanted to up and leave. I was so furious. Thankfully it was the one and only time the doc's understood and non of them were yelling at me. [01:50] the OS drive being in it's own array is the only semi-blessing of this story it seems [01:50] vastina: Ya, it really was. [01:51] agentc0re: must've tried a good dose of oxycontin the previous night :) [01:51] elaborates...for the doc to be in a good mood [01:52] vastina: But get this. HP told me to update the AIO software to latest after that feasco. Guess what that did? screwed up everything. I had to rebuild. Come to find out, after i was told to upgrade, they found some serious bugs and told everyone to downgrade. But guess how you have to downgrade? format/reinstall. [01:52] Action: vastina slaps forehead... [01:52] *cough*backcharge*cough* [01:52] Oh, i tried. [01:52] Old_Fogie: lol... nice [01:53] I was so pissed off. cursing at everything. [01:53] i was so happy when it was over. [01:53] agentc0re: they didn't even consider the possible hardware misconfig? [01:53] and everything started working almost correctly. [01:54] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:54] they didn't give a rats ass. Since i bought it from our EMR guys, they bought it from some third party vendor. When i was calling HP telling them give me a new machine they said we can't, talk to your vendor. [01:54] Thats about where it stopped. [01:54] oooh, burn [01:55] I think by that point i had rebuilt the servers and everything was working. So i didn't want to have to do it again. [01:55] agentc0re, yeah but who told you to install/then downgrade? [01:55] I'm glad i didn't because i haven't had a drive failure since. [01:55] Old_Fogie: HP. [01:55] agentc0re, in writing? [01:55] Old_Fogie: In a ticket, over the phone. [01:55] shit, the girl is putting on fake tears *attention cry*.... need to dip off for a bit [01:55] agentc0re, oh a "verbal" [01:55] one week it was, Upgrade to the latest server software. [01:56] next week it was, Oh sorry that version has bugs, you really need to downgrade because it's what is causing all your problems. which was half truth because we had some more Hardware replaced after that. [01:56] but agentc0re, seriously a big thanks for that story, that helps me with a couple decisions coming up [01:56] I'd invoice them anyhow, fwiw, you'd be amazed the grounds you'll gain. they got records of the telecon, it's legit in my book. [01:57] HP's support in making sure that we were taken care of was great that. [01:57] quick response locally [01:57] parts were shipped quickly, and if not locally they were always dropshipped to be there the next morning. [01:58] so they didn't leave me hanging dry. they just don't know how to tie the noose so it kept breaking when they were trying to kill me. [01:58] which imo is worse :P [01:59] I'll never understand you guys in the IT industry, you operate totally different then the rest of the business world. It never ceases to amaze me the BS I hear in this chann regarding vendors/outsources and OEM's. [01:59] what do you mean Old_Fogie? [01:59] Old_Fogie: ++ [02:00] agentc0re: the shit he hears about what we go trhoguh in IT, exasperating really.... but what do you do Old_Fogie? [02:00] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.174.179) left irc: "gnite" [02:00] I mean the IT/field/industry get's railroaded by OEM's/vendors/management whereas the rest of the world doesnt work that way. In my field, and most others, your situation of them telling you to fix, and it breaks == backcharge, or at the very least, a written confirmation of a credit on future purchases, etc. [02:00] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:01] Old_Fogie: your industry? [02:01] Engineer [02:01] what aspect? [02:01] and scope [02:01] Old_Fogie: Oh man, the worst was when i was told by Qwest that they own the lines of fiber that we paid 17k for. [02:02] I was like, What? [02:02] Let's put it this way, I was overseeing a job once, a crane was to be on site, to rig equipment. Crane was a no show. But labor was there, vendors to supervise, the township... guess who got the crane free? Yup. [02:02] i raised a bunch of shit. [02:02] but in the end, up. They owned it. [02:02] Old_Fogie: architectural engineer? or computer engineer? [02:03] vastina, Engineer with an "E" meaning real Engineer. A PE multi disciplined. [02:03] the whole foreman thing threw me off [02:03] vastina, well we do consulting of constuction as well. [02:03] EE to me is Electrical engineer, but ok [02:03] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [02:03] very custom work, so sometimes, you just gotta be there, and oversee, as no drawings in the world can factor in all the unknowns on the job. [02:03] omfg. why, all of a sudden, would x264 files be choppy/laggy on both vlc and smplayer? haven't done anything differently with the system. see this is why i need an exorcist [02:03] and i'm a bioengineer according to my degree so that's why i ask [02:04] i don't feel any less of an engineer than my peers [02:04] Around that time we moved into a new establishment. There was existing fiber from the guys who we sublease the clinic from. Well since we technically own it for the next year everything in there belongs to us, including the fiber they installed. Well they tried to tell us that we had to buy our line from them for 4k. I fought and fought and lawyers got involved. One day one of their docs crossed paths with our, at the time [02:04] I blew a lid. [02:04] BioEngineer is an Engineer with a capital E. [02:04] it's a life science, but it's legit to call yourself an Engineer. [02:04] xiws (n=xiws13@221.236.195.119) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:04] Old_Fogie: i'm with you now... haha [02:05] what's not an Engineer is a network engineer [02:05] AGREED! [02:05] oh man, thanks for saying this [02:05] haha [02:05] Old_Fogie: My wife does bio engineering. She designs Medical devices for Bard. [02:05] Old_Fogie: HAHA [02:05] vastina, network engineer is a MS thing started in Canada [02:05] Action: vastina knows his years at uni was NEVER inferior to a 1-2yr "network engineer" [02:05] agentc0re: what do you do? [02:05] I am too and engineer. :P [02:05] what kind? [02:05] antler: ... haha scroll up. [02:06] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [02:06] antler: (12:00:55 AM) Old_Fogie: what's not an Engineer is a network engineer [02:06] vastina, yeah none of the Proffessional Engineering Societie's even recognize the term 'network engineer'. [02:06] to with my reply. [02:06] i'm just kidding. [02:06] ah hahah [02:07] agentc0re, :) [02:07] Old_Fogie: actually it's true beyond plausable, why would they, they don't hit any of our common pre-reqs [02:08] vastina: http://learnix.net/2009/03/15/this-is-how-i-spent-my-saturday/ about a month ago now. [02:08] vastina, yea and factor in that they cannot buy insurance for what they do, or get a State License with a "seal", I could go on an on. MS started the crap to get legitimicy, and while I applaud that, it was an abomination of them to degrade Engineer's by hijacking the title. [02:09] Old_Fogie: agreed... [02:09] Old_Fogie: I had no idea it was such a big deal. [02:09] Old_Fogie: What you prefer them be called? [02:09] by using the name Engineer, stole credibility of hundreds of years of my industry (and close related) infighting, and gaining credibility. [02:09] agentc0re: preach shows practise in this pic, thanks for sharing this fine work of "network engineering" [02:10] HEH [02:10] agentc0re: in a sentence, what does a network engineer do exactly? [02:10] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:10] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:10] See, See i am a Engineer! I'm inz your data clozet, unpluging your wirez [02:10] Old_Fogie: to me the definition of an engineer is a [wo]man that can visualise a concept, use the laws of god (science and maths) and produce sound systems of logic and (hopefully) efficiency lacking in the time of production [02:10] agentc0re, the big deal is that you go a lifetime to be an "Engineer"; not out of hi-school, and a sat class in a hotel, and can be a network engineer. NOw not all network engineers do that little, but some do, yet wear the crown of Engineer, and it's wrong. It's like calling yourself a Network Doctor. Ya digg. [02:11] antler: Engineer the network... .. .. ... .? [02:11] Now, if you were an Electrical Engineer, designing 'networks' that is a differenet situation. [02:11] Heh, I'm one of those too :P hahahah [02:11] very [02:11] He's licensed, insured, the work is "stamped" [02:12] I see your point though. [02:12] What would be a better way to describe the field though? [02:12] how to describe IT? Hard to say, it's a moving target. [02:12] hrm. [02:13] Old_Fogie: we're given a skillset that we pay damn good money for, hijacking our titles over a petty task like having the monkey put the rectangle into the rectangular hole and colour matching is terrorism by it's own right... [02:13] Now, if they were "Network Operating Engineer" that too is a whole different ball of wax. [02:13] agentc0re: you set up networks? or you create and devise new ways, possibly using new technology that you create, of linking computers together? [02:14] calling anyone that sysadmins/sets up networks an engineer [02:14] i don't create any tech, i just put it all together in the best possible configuration i know how to. [02:14] is a little sketchy anyways [02:14] Because they learn the operating conditions, and parameters to "operate" a network, much like a "Boiler Engineer" operates the boiler..but even still, a Boiler Engineer is licensed,insured, and is credible in that regard. It really needs a Society first, and standards, then standards licensing, and education requirements across the board. How linux goes in that, well I'll scratch my head on that. [02:15] Ya, titles really aren't worth what they can say about most people anyways. [02:15] yep. titles don't say much. [02:16] the title is definately abused [02:16] Even though when people just refer to me as their IT person, I get a little aggravated on the inside because i'm more than that. I would never call myself an Engineer, just a System/Network Administrator. [02:16] i know full professors who are dumbasses. :P [02:16] Old_Fogie: we're in the "wild-west" days of technology and operating softwares, due to the volatile nature of an infantile aspect in humanity, it's difficult to peg authorities to ever changing platforms... in short, unix is what we make it [02:16] martian67, not really, computer networks generate alot of noise on the electrical lines, and need to be filtered,and affect the main power of any instutions electric. An Electrical Engineer designing a network presumabely would look at how that affects the building power distribution for example. [02:16] because your average "network engineer" dosent even know a third of what a power engineer or a civil engineer needs to know or do [02:16] martian67, ++ [02:17] Old_Fogie, well thats an electrical engineer [02:17] most people doing stuff like that dont know shit about those things [02:17] :/ [02:17] yeah, that's what I meant was an EE designing a network, he could call himself a Network Engineer, but a guy out of HS taking a class at a hotel, uh uh. [02:18] 'computer engineering' is a legit feild [02:18] but more related to actual hardware design [02:18] and construction [02:18] It's like a bar tender calling themself a Psychologist, as they help people :D It's not legit, heh [02:18] i really think the beating heart of what defines me an engineer beyond my degreed title and licensibility is the application of maths we have been given in our coursework and applied to the real world, then interning with industry experts ices the cake [02:19] because that requires an acceptable amount of 'wizardy' heh [02:19] it's called uni, an infallable measurement of documented education in society [02:19] duryodhan (n=dev@122.167.223.88) joined ##slackware. [02:20] vastina, well the interesting thing is, the IT industry utilizes the Engineering and Life Sciences work, but they're not required to learn them to work in said field. It's quite odd, how they can just go to work, and all of the sudden wear the crown "Network Engineer". [02:20] i think you could safely classify most computing related 'engineers' [02:20] as technicans [02:20] martian67: i'd disagree on the comp engineering, that was my minor, it had as mcuh to do with softwares as it did hardwares and circuit logic [02:20] and leave it at that [02:20] martian67, yea tech is very applicable. [02:21] vastina, well programing is so nebulous, its hard to separate the monkeys and the wizards ;) [02:21] duryodhan (n=dev@122.167.223.88) left irc: Client Quit [02:21] martian67, but see MS thought 'technician' was too much garage shop, so they invented 'Network Engineer' they started Saturday hotel classes and you were "blessed" :) [02:21] martian67: technicians? sorry but computer engineering is far more robust and has a far larger scope than a technician [02:21] well i appologize [02:21] vastina, nah he means people that say their a NE [02:22] or that's how I read it. [02:22] oh okay, misunderstood then [02:22] its nebulous [02:22] and MS abuses the title [02:22] i think thats a safe assumption [02:22] heh [02:22] even a Network Administrator... [02:23] vastina, i wont deny certain types of programming really do require 'enineering' type knowledge [02:23] no, i think i follow Old_Fogie entirely, microsoft is doing a crime of defamation and should see court to that effect [02:23] but i wouldnt go as far to say that it was most [02:23] vastina, the problem is i dont belive there is a legal definition of engineer [02:23] martian67: programming is only an aspect, at least in my curriculum [02:23] vastina, beleive it or not, they were written letters about it, but by the time , well the wheels of confusion were already in motion. [02:23] Ilie (i=1000@93.112.81.65) joined ##slackware. [02:24] speaking of EE [02:24] power engineering is a good thing to get into [02:24] all those baby boomers are retiring [02:24] martian67, always has been [02:24] martian67: i think there's VERY clear definitions of engineers in the scope of law [02:24] and there isnt a lot around to replace them [02:24] heh [02:25] not much new and exciting happening there though [02:25] its been pretty much the same for decades :/ [02:25] Mechanical Engineering has always been a solid choice (pun not intendid - a 'solids' joke). [02:25] that's why i hire counsel though... need to know the right questions for the right answers and frankly i don't know enough intricities of law to tackle it on my own with my eloquent-handicapped tongue [02:25] even EE came from Mechanical, the first EE's were ME's. [02:26] agentc0re: the idea of effectively networking computers is quite attractive to me [02:26] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:26] well it involves a great deal of the same mathmatical knowledge [02:26] well bioengineering spawned of biological engineering and in my scope, genomic engineering, another bio subset [02:26] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:26] there's still a fight who came first, Chemical or Mechanical, I go with Mechanical, the wheel is a pretty darn good design :) [02:26] there was a great joke about engineers :) [02:26] agentc0re: i really like the idea of clusters [02:27] christ... am i the only one with a bitchy lady because i'm on irc? [02:27] '3 men are asked to obtain the volume of a sphere, the physisit submerges it in water and mesures its displacement' [02:27] 'the mathmatician mesures its curcumfrence and determines the value' [02:27] mv /dev/gf0 /dev/null [02:27] agentc0re: i got a boring ol' job. i teach. the only interesting aspect about my profession is that i chose to travel [02:27] the engineer consults a chart of standard sphere sizes.... [02:27] martian67, hahah [02:28] martian67, and verifies it on the slide rule :) [02:28] we have to double check all calc's :) [02:28] it's an OCD field [02:28] Zozma (n=Winter@d4-103.rb.vcr.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:28] calculate, check ..calculate, check . [02:28] its too much math for me [02:28] makes my head spin [02:29] Action: vastina wonders how to make gf write-only, don't need read properties [02:29] it makes sense about 20 years outta college [02:29] i can understand it, but i dont really grok it or enjoy it [02:29] Zozma (n=Winter@d4-103.rb.vcr.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [02:29] antler: I run a cluster at my work. [02:29] And it's not very functional for why they built it as a cluster. [02:30] However once I get my Xen server up and running, that will run all virtual servers clustered. will be nice if one goes down. [02:30] fuck all... speak soon everyone, thanks for the chats tonight [02:30] :) [02:31] eh? [02:31] that was kind of out of no where. [02:31] my gf is about to make me want to throw my laptop at her in a minute, so it's called for [02:31] agentc0re: your work translates to interest at home? [02:31] she's freaking out that i'm giving irc more attention than her [02:31] no, at work work. real work. [02:31] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-157-128.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:31] heh, i can see her point. [02:31] tell her to get on irc. [02:31] vastina, tell her to strap on a keyboard and a mouse and you'll play with her :) [02:32] Old_Fogie: hahaha [02:32] ewww grosss [02:32] if she gets on IRC you can do what you want and pay attention to her. [02:32] vastina, if that don't work, well you'll at least get a good nights sleep for a change on the couch :) [02:33] So virtualmin is pretty handy i must say. [02:33] Action: vastina is hoping she'll shut up and go outside to smoke [02:34] kids in here: don't let your gf move in... it's vexing for the most infantile things [02:34] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:34] Action: vastina loads a bowl.... [02:34] anyway carry on [02:34] Thursap (n=bnguyen@118.71.110.203) joined ##slackware. [02:34] lol [02:35] Thursap: Hey see now instead of root@yourIP it's bnguyen@yourip. [02:35] why one would waste good tlc by using a pipe i'll never understand [02:35] thc* [02:35] antler: it's called a volcano man :) [02:36] i just said bowl to get the hint across [02:36] i run and exercise far too much to smoke [02:37] vastina: what's a volcano? [02:38] antler: a great german invention [02:39] quite informative [02:40] http://www.thevolcanovaporizer.com/index.php [02:40] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9rO5Hf1mT8 [02:40] ultimate win [02:40] Vortex. [02:40] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [02:40] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [02:40] whoah... nice grav bong! [02:42] i like jays [02:42] antler: they have a special place in my heart.... in my car [02:43] agentc0re: beautiful hit man [02:43] thanks for the share.. [02:43] Old_Fogie: you're a fellow engineer, your thoughts? [02:44] Ya i want to get it to try it out at least once. [02:44] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [02:44] someone ought to invent an antigravity bong [02:44] vastina, not my 'thang'. [02:44] :) [02:44] Old_Fogie: you've been to uni though man, your crowd didn't have a friendly mingle? [02:45] otherwise i fully respect you [02:45] some did pot, wasn't my thing tho. booze was always fine by me. [02:45] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [02:46] after great american beer festival 2008, i'm cool on the alcohol for a bit [02:46] i mean i have my beer or two every night, but nothing more [02:47] agentc0re: oh man. brilliant [02:47] have some alaskan amber ale and north coast brewing old stock 2005 [02:47] i wish i'd had one [02:47] right now [02:48] then have alaskan vintage smoked porters from the years 1993, 1995, 1999 [02:48] Vortexers are easy to make with a 2 liter soda bottle...they're awkward i think, though the hit is very nice. (glad to contribute some knowledge for once) [02:48] agentc0re: [02:48] Action: antler thinks he would still prefer jays :) [02:49] where's antler at again? [02:49] i prefer the homemade bong made from a Grey Poupon mustard bottle. [02:49] calgary, alberta, canada atm [02:49] and TIn Foil. [02:49] vastina: you? [02:49] that's right, thought you were one of the channel looneys [02:49] haha [02:50] in colorado atm, from woking, surrey, uk [02:50] erizoe: yes? [02:50] vastina: quality stuff in the uk? [02:51] Action: vastina feels just fantastic where he's at [02:51] agentc0re: read what i wrote above* i forgot to address you in the origional post. [02:51] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcL9vXQjFg4&feature=channel_page I love this. The last dog wont get up, he has the WTF look on his face like mine do in the morning. hahhah. [02:51] well consider amsterdam is across the channel, and hg everywhere there [02:51] erizoe: AH, OIC> [02:51] thank you tony blair [02:51] vastina: :) [02:52] night [02:52] mohaa (n=mohaa@ANantes-157-1-25-30.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:52] mac- (i=mac@to.pieprzony.abuser.eu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:54] Old_Fogie: what's your big *n?x project of the moment? [02:54] you too antler if you have one [02:55] right now? rebuilding about 50 apps on 12.1 ( Old_Fogie --unstable branch) ; had a bad cairomm that borked up some things. And repartitioning my last ext3 drive to jfs, and moving data all around every which way but loose, lol [02:55] lol --unstable [02:55] didn't realize I had one drive with ext3 here at the house. so its gone now :) [02:55] JFS ftw! [02:55] agentc0re, hee hee you like that one heh :) [02:56] sounds like some good fun [02:56] vastina: no nix project, just a book i'm working on. have had writer's block for the last three years. :| [02:57] ahh good luck with the creation of a new read [02:57] qneo (n=knao@adsl-d173.84-47-74.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [02:57] Yeah, this latest cairomm is evil. I built it, apps like gparted, were fine. But it broke inkscape, but I didnt realize it was the cairomm, cuz the error was all libpng stuff. They I tried to build nitrogen..and same thing.. then it dawned on me (as I keep a list of errors in a log file even if I fix them) and yup was the same one. a litttle back track work led me to this cairomm fiasco. [02:57] i need more than luck man. i say after three years, it's time to realize i'm not a writer. hahah [02:57] Action: vastina 's big project is intel and alpha arch asm revisions through gdp [02:58] Action: vastina also wonders if he can use gdb through qemu... [02:59] yeah... sometimes the lack of fuel is just life taking you down a different rift [02:59] antler's book sounds like my diet, been working on it for 3 years and well, yeah, there ya go. [03:00] i can't stop thanking the fsf for creating mostly more-than decent free compilers and the countless developers out there that made such a mature chunk of code fall into free hands [03:00] Old_Fogie: lol [03:01] LOL [03:01] been working on it for 3 years and it keeps growing eh? [03:01] vastina, yeah man what can you say about the fsf/gnu apps. take 'tar' - what a friggin' awesome app. the guy should get a medal I say. [03:02] agentc0re, pretty much, heh. [03:02] nix_chix (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:03] vastina: an astute observation. i believe it should be quoted. [03:03] Old_Fogie: hahah [03:03] so many little tiny binaries, such power to em' just blows my mind. if they have a gui counterpart for it on nix, you still go with the cli one, you just totally see the merits of cli over gui if you spend a few minutes to compare. [03:03] ooSimon94oo_ (n=ooSimon9@p5B0D5341.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [03:03] http://www.pennergame.de [03:03] ooSimon94oo_ (n=ooSimon9@p5B0D5341.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:04] vastina1 (i=jaird@64.215.163.98) joined ##slackware. [03:04] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) got netsplit. [03:04] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) got netsplit. [03:04] chance22 (n=chance@99-16-138-143.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) got netsplit. [03:04] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-76-208-82-72.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) got netsplit. [03:04] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) got netsplit. [03:04] vastina is null... dropped connection [03:04] but i agree on the tar util [03:04] < antler> vastina: an astute observation. i believe it should be quoted. [03:05] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-76-208-82-72.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) returned to ##slackware. [03:05] chance22 (n=chance@99-16-138-143.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) returned to ##slackware. [03:05] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) returned to ##slackware. [03:05] Thursap (n=bnguyen@118.71.110.203) left irc: "leaving" [03:06] Action: antler kicks macavity in the shins [03:06] antler: ta [03:06] Action: vastina1 commends Keith Muller from UCSD for writing tar [03:08] xiws (n=xiws13@125.68.100.71) joined ##slackware. [03:09] well everyone, i'm sleepy, have a good night [03:09] vastina1: one question [03:09] ? [03:09] i'm interested to know what kind of books you like to read [03:10] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) got lost in the net-split. [03:10] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) got lost in the net-split. [03:10] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [03:10] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:10] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:11] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.98) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:11] right now i'm reading the prince by niccolo machiavelli, and i read loads... i seriously have a library of books on unix linux, calculus.... i read richard stevens' UNIX NETWORK PROGRAMMING, imho one of the finest works on the unix networking sockets and api's... unix proper [03:11] Nick change: vastina1 -> vastina [03:12] yeah, 'the prince' is a delight. ok. thanks. [03:12] i really admire the late man, simply a genious mind [03:13] vastina: you read 'the art of war', yeah? [03:13] sun tzu is irony that touches boredom, i did enjoy the 48 laws of power by robert greene [03:14] s/is/writes* [03:14] hm. '48 laws'. will check that one. [03:14] considering the time period of the original work thoguh, my previous statement is childish and it is on that hand; impressive [03:15] i mentioned it because of your mention of 'the prince' [03:15] :P [03:16] i've read of several dynasties of china, intricities of the roman republic to empire, to empire-on-sticks.... i'm a history fanatic on the side [03:16] Nite all. [03:16] chance22 (n=chance@99-16-138-143.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [03:17] hehe do 'the good earth' then.. nice light read [03:17] the persian sassanid empire may intrigue you [03:17] okay, will do [03:17] the good earth --pearl s. buck [03:17] ok [03:17] but i will say that my staple read is the library i've collected of intense unix and linux text books and my maths [03:18] yarvin (n=yarvin@247-121-74-65.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [03:18] but that's more of an interactive read than just novel read [03:18] vastina: well, you might enjoy 'computability and logic' [03:19] it's taught to grad students and comp sci honours students [03:19] by whom? [03:19] one sec, my copy is downstairs. i forgot. brb. [03:19] Boolos... [03:19] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection timed out [03:19] i'll order it [03:19] Ficthe (n=grieve@72.131.0.46) left irc: Client Quit [03:20] antler forgot the usage of the internet before him apparently [03:20] it's late [03:21] hahah. george s. boolos and richard jeffrey. cambridge university press. [03:21] got it [03:21] :) [03:22] cool. anyway time for a movie with the wife :P [03:22] talk to you later, vastina :) [03:22] antler, is that what they call it these days ? :) [03:22] speak soon antler [03:22] haha how old is Old_Fogie? [03:22] I never tell. [03:23] I'm old enuff to drink, let's leave it at that :) [03:23] Nick change: vastina -> Old-Stoagie [03:23] but not old enought to drink out of a tube [03:23] ;) [03:24] Nick change: Old-Stoagie -> vastina [03:24] Due to outrage over the verdict in The Pirate Bay trial, the Swedish Pirate Party has gained 3000 members in less than 7 hours It is now bigger than 3 of the 7 parties represented in the Swedish parliament. [03:25] unohu (n=unohu@unaffiliated/unohu) joined ##slackware. [03:25] brilliant [03:25] they're lost [03:25] vastina, they have quite a nice election platform actually [03:25] they arnt for copyright abolition, [03:25] but reform and sanity [03:26] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:26] a true democracy.... nothing more than mob rule where 51 outspeaks the other 49, -roughly transliterated jefferson [03:26] martian67, let's hope their idea of 'change' is like what we got here [03:26] Old_Fogie: amen [03:26] Old_Fogie, isnt rooted in the old gaurd [03:26] i think it shows real promise [03:27] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:27] Action: vastina dreads european socialist crap he ran from [03:27] heh change... [03:27] being a cynic gets you nowhere [03:27] more like tax-and spend.... another one of them indeed [03:27] infact it gets you less than nowhere [03:27] Action: vastina is sounding too conservative [03:27] nothing wrong with being conservative [03:27] Heya,folks..How's everyone? [03:28] Action: vastina watches out for MLanden [03:28] :) [03:28] at least as long as its real conservatisim, not the nationalistic neo-facist crap [03:28] that gets labled conservative [03:28] Action: MLanden watches out for myself as well..:D [03:28] these days [03:28] Hey MLanden. How's it going? [03:29] Good thanks,firebird619 and yourself? [03:29] martian67: i love my american heritage and freedoms and understand her constitution (and perversions via amendments et cetera)... i'm a gun fostering conservative knowing my 2nd amendment is as good as my first [03:29] bijit (n=benji@200.122.188.156) left irc: "leaving" [03:29] MLanden: Doing great. Thank you. [03:30] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [03:30] MLanden: ++ [03:30] Good to hear,firebird619 [03:30] vastina, :) [03:30] vastina, I like that "good as my first" I gotta use that one. [03:30] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:30] Old_Fogie: :) it's truth [03:30] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:31] sure is. [03:31] the evil empire is going to take another run at passing a canadian DMCA [03:31] joy [03:31] luckily our politicans still at least listen to us [03:31] heh [03:32] martian67, what country is that? [03:32] Old_Fogie, canada [03:32] i understand taxes are essential, but i also understand central banks should not be told what to do and i beleve the white house should not spend our money into our own debt to fulfil campaign promises to the big 3 and use AIG as a public whipping boy with an incompetant CEO [03:33] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:33] when you spend OUR money, clause the f*ck out of it idiots [03:33] vastina, well what's even better is, they loan money to the banks, then change the rules of the game as it goes along. you gotta love that, heh. [03:33] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:33] vastina, then they wont get the massive 'campaign contributions' [03:33] yeah... [03:33] too bad libertarian party can't get their act together, we need a real 3rd party [03:34] martian67: our current de-facto is well funded enough via endorsements of headless american corporations [03:34] true,Old_Fogie [03:34] vastina, greedy people never have enough [03:34] the gop has become flop, they don't see conservatism as their predecessors and you or i do [03:35] vastina, well many conservatives have lost their way, GWB for one. he wore the title conservative, but there was nothing conservative about him. [03:35] and i am no neo fascist, that's about as asinine as jumping another bandwagon that'll fail through long term common sense [03:36] vastina, the closest thing i would label myself [03:36] is a socialist libertarian heh [03:36] so many "conservatives" are actually moderate and that's what really messes things up (adn the rino's too repub's in name only) [03:36] nothing really comes close to representing my views in mainstream politics [03:36] unohu (n=unohu@unaffiliated/unohu) left irc: "leaving" [03:37] i belive strongly in personal freedoms/rights [03:37] Action: vastina /dev/null socialist... i enjoy free enterprise and earning my retirement amongst the many [03:37] see I can't see socialist and libertartian in same definition, I define them far end of spectrum. [03:37] but i also belive the government has an active role to play [03:37] thank you Old_Fogie [03:37] screw socialism [03:37] Old_Fogie, thats because you are defining socialism as authoritanism [03:37] the end [03:37] which is not how *I* see it [03:37] or not how it has to be rather [03:37] grazymax (n=grazymax@host228-96-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:37] because i'm a dual national i have the comfort of discerning differences between america and modern europe [03:38] the EU is a disgrace to our individualities [03:38] nationalism is an afterthought [03:38] most of europe is far too authoritariast for my tastes [03:38] actually I find it quite scary [03:38] martian67, no I also look at the 'social' part which inherintley over time, leads to big government, and hence big brother over sight, which is anti libertarian. libertarian is like "gov't get out my face, get out my life, protect the borders and that's that, and oh yeah tell them to buy their own health care" . [03:38] i would not wish to live there [03:39] Old_Fogie: you're the type of american i identify with [03:39] from what i can read so far [03:39] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:39] politically speaking [03:39] Old_Fogie, well you could say i want the best of both worlds :) [03:39] i want strong indiviual liberties [03:39] vastina, we have a guarantee of 'equal opportunity here, not equal results" [03:39] but an effective and RESPONSIBLE government [03:39] that protects and fosters [03:40] rather than smothers and destroys [03:40] yeah responsible to her borders and honest with her acts [03:40] fireking (n=STRESSAD@201.86.180.14.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:40] martian67, 'best of both worlds' <-- it's not a bad wish really. but the social part, usually leads too 'issues' to put it kindly. the probablem with socialism is, eventually the money runs out from the people they take it from and then they're screwed. [03:40] i am strongly objected to protecting corporations more than a citizen [03:40] jurisdictions play the local roles, big government is overwhelming, the american revolution is a clear defect from what we are currently experiencing, let me quite jefferson... [03:41] "those that live on hope, die fasting" [03:41] which is where i think traditional 'libertariasm' falls down for me [03:41] quote franklin** [03:41] because it gives corporations full reign to destroy society [03:41] for a buck [03:43] martian67, yea but if libertarians ran things, you could get high, so you wouldnt care then. [03:43] i could get high if my ideal government was in place too [03:43] :) [03:43] hahah [03:43] because it is an individual freedom [03:43] RimFrost (n=RimFrost@217-209-207-173-no77.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [03:43] RimFrost (n=RimFrost@217-209-207-173-no77.tbcn.telia.com) left ##slackware ("Lämnar"). [03:43] xiws (n=xiws13@125.68.100.71) left irc: Client Quit [03:43] no... corporations have been assigned the legal designation as entity, america is by the people for the people, and american government definition of people in systems of law is entity, so by the people for the people relishing the same right, businesses have built private empires for the rich and re-enforced it's defence by means of legal jargon and agreable non-constitutional justices appointed by corrupt recent political dynasties [03:43] RimFrost (n=RimFrost@217-209-207-173-no77.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [03:44] 'legislate thru the bench' [03:44] vastina, well if you want to call people and corporations (nearly) fully equal under law [03:44] ie: fictional person [03:44] for another side note, tell me why congress can hold a seat for life whilst a president and said staffs can maintain no more than 2 terms, senate 4, and the abolition of electoral college is never even proposed [03:45] and after that have a relitively hands off government [03:45] that protects borders/private property [03:45] corporations will still grow to dominate the average person [03:45] because by their very nature [03:45] hello everyone. i was thinking of downloading slackware and i saw on the page that it is 6 isos, but do i need all 6 for an installation? [03:45] they have much more power than the individual [03:45] RimFrost (n=RimFrost@217-209-207-173-no77.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Client Quit [03:46] it dosent nessisarly require government kickbacks [03:46] RimFrost (n=RimFrost@217-209-207-173-no77.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [03:46] ie, for a monopoly to form [03:46] you dont need government support [03:46] RimFrost, are you English user? [03:46] RimFrost: use the first as your boot-disk, really the only one you need if you configure your nic for ftp [03:46] no swedish [03:46] RimFrost, you dont need the last 3 [03:46] they are source CDs [03:46] RimFrost, you'll need the first 3 cd's then. [03:46] just grab the DVD if you can [03:46] RimFrost, there is a dvd also on torrent. [03:47] yeah i took the DVD now as a torrent [03:47] Old_Fogie, if you have large trusts/monopolies it isnt any better than what we already have [03:47] night everyone [03:47] infact in many ways it would be much worse [03:47] RimFrost, ok you'll need the kde internationalization packages then [03:47] night [03:47] night [03:47] night vastina [03:48] RimFrost, which are on cd3, or on the dvd [03:48] because the government wont ever step in [03:48] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.98) left irc: "sleeping" [03:48] gn vastina [03:48] can't piss off their major contributors [03:49] 12.2 is the new version of the slackware? thats the one i download right now [03:49] to quote Dr. Savage, 'when companies have more say then the US citizen, and our founding doc's reference citizens and not corp's ...the system is broke' [03:49] RimFrost, yes that's the latest version. [03:49] agreed [03:49] great [03:50] RimFrost, dont forget to grab security updates through rsync [03:50] after you get installed [03:50] credo_ (n=name@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [03:51] Old_Fogie, i think the source of the problem is the legal fiction that a corporation is a citizen [03:51] credo (n=name@80.233.147.119) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:51] and not something else [03:51] correct [03:51] so you and me really dont disagree so much [03:51] it's not so much an issue that they get treated as a citizen, it's the extent that their citizenship gets more favor is the issue. [03:51] i'll do that. shall be fun to try something other than Ubuntu [03:52] RimFrost, i think you will find it a plesant change [03:52] some quick tips: dont use slapt-get use http://www.linuxpackages.org [03:52] martian67, 'the whole equal protection under the law' doesnt seem to be getting the attention it deserves ya know. [03:52] if you have to compile something use checkinstall [03:53] but how can that be seen when the corporation is global [03:53] it will create a slackware package from whatever make install does [03:53] yeah. I have ran a few versions of Ubuntu now, just had it to learn Linux and its software and all that [03:53] RimFrost, well there is http://slackbuilds.org is a good choice for buildscripts that build binaries for you. [03:53] also that [03:53] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:54] Mellar (n=brebbesv@ti400720a080-3037.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:54] Old_Fogie, paralell to that i think government has important roles to play in funding certain things that are not always economicly benifical to do so for private corpoations [03:55] like blue sky research, space programs, health care [03:55] does slackware have a you know like a synaptic thing where i can search and install software? [03:55] ecnomically benficial at a reasonable price that is [03:55] martian67, problem is, the money winds up going to whoever contrib'd to the politician with the checkbook. [03:55] Old_Fogie, yea, that needs a fix [03:55] RimFrost (n=RimFrost@217-209-207-173-no77.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "Lämnar" [03:55] martian67, that's why there needs to be competition for that money (if it's given out by the govt) but it winds up being a small chosen few that get invited to the talks. [03:56] RimFrost (n=RimFrost@217-209-207-173-no77.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [03:56] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:56] Old_Fogie, well with something like heathcare at least [03:56] martian67, just look at these bail outs in the US, the gov't is sitting back, playing God , deciding who get's to stay in business, and who goes. [03:56] eddief2 (n=eddie@141.157.200.33) joined ##slackware. [03:56] if you make it totally government owned and operated [03:56] it does fix that particualr issue [03:56] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:57] because there IS no compeition for grant money [03:57] its just another branch of the government [03:57] and since it dosent have any particular say over policy [03:57] martian67, social medicine is nice in theory, but I've yet to see a better health system than in US as it is. tho, it needs fixing here there, and more people in it (no doubt). [03:57] except perhaps for heath related issues [03:57] its not disruptive [03:58] Old_Fogie, i think you need to open your eyes a bit [03:58] when a man can die because he cant afford an operation [03:58] thats wrong [03:58] im sorry [03:58] free markets dont work well with health because its something you will pay anything to obtain [03:58] eddief2 (n=eddie@141.157.200.33) left irc: Client Quit [03:58] because you dont HAVE a choice [03:59] well you have a choice, death i guess [03:59] no, in the US without healthcare , you can walk into an Emergency room. that's not true. you can have a baby. heck, you dont even have to be a citizen here. [03:59] yes, but where is the care you need to ensure you dont rapidly go back to critical condition again, and die shortly after wards from complications? [04:00] who pays that emergency room pill [04:00] *bill [04:00] that's what disability is for, any US citizen can file for it, or social security disability. [04:00] who pays for the thousands of dollars in drugs you need [04:00] Old_Fogie, dosent cover nearly well enough [04:00] how would you know, your a kanuck :D [04:01] i have read plenty about it [04:01] SSD has better insurance then I have, and I own my own business [04:01] I pray you dont become seriously ill then [04:01] anyone any good with gimp? [04:01] I can assure you, people dont die in the US cuz they cant afford the operation, that's a falicy. [04:01] it isnt [04:02] What you trying to figure out,acidchild? [04:02] Well, it's time for me to get going. Have a great morning/afternoon/evening everyone. [04:02] there arnt plenty of things that arnt critical [04:02] but are ultimately terminal [04:02] take care, firebird619 [04:02] and by the time they are critical [04:02] MLanden: Thanks. you too. :) [04:02] its too late to do anything about it [04:02] anyone know how to turn all white space in to transparent like 'cut' it out. [04:02] will do,firebird619 [04:03] like tracing over it? [04:03] acidchild: I've done that before, there is a way. The method escapes me atm though. [04:03] Old_Fogie, and if you want to talk about costs [04:03] the canadian health care system costs a canadian far less on average [04:03] than it does an american [04:03] martian67, what like copays? [04:04] thats total costs [04:04] firebird619: thanks :-( [04:04] Old_Fogie, no, its almost completely social [04:04] by the way, does it slackware have support for amd64 cpu? because i have a 64 bit cpu.... [04:04] walk into a hospital, prove your citizenship [04:04] you get full treatment [04:04] anything that is required [04:04] credo_ (n=name@80.233.147.119) got netsplit. [04:04] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) got netsplit. [04:04] acidchild: I'm sorry. At least you know it's possible. [04:04] all payed through taxes [04:04] rofl :P [04:05] firebird619: like, i cant do anything because my background is white [04:05] martian67, really every report I ever read, shows Canada as almost double the cost when factoring in the govt contributioin which is really the taxpayers dollars. I've never ever hear , read or seen anything other than Canada is high, but not as bad as france . [04:05] and the 'background' colour is set to white too... how do i change that 'colour' to be transparent. [04:05] but on that note, I gotta run 4am here, nite all. [04:05] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [04:05] "government contribution" [04:05] is a misnomer [04:06] i would like to read these studies [04:06] acidchild: I really can't remember, I do know it's possible. [04:06] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:06] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) joined ##slackware. [04:06] acidchild: I really need to get going, but I'll quick take a look at gimp, sec. [04:06] hehe [04:06] ok [04:07] yarvin (n=yarvin@247-121-74-65.gci.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:07] RimFrost, slackware is 32bit only (currently ?) but amd64 cpus can work in 32bit mode so slackware will work [04:07] dunnen (n=mike@ip98-166-14-105.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [04:07] acichild: have you tried the fuzzy select tool? [04:07] if you need 64bit mode, you may want to see slamd64 [04:07] Mellar (n=brebbesv@ti400720a080-3819.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [04:07] slamd64 is quite nice [04:07] and about taxes in France, yes they are high [04:07] MLanden: yes, thats how i'm selecting. [04:08] acidchild: So, you are trying to make a blank white canvas transparent, right? [04:08] yep [04:08] Hi Camarade_Tux. How are you doing? [04:08] otoh I've never had troubles with the healthcare [04:08] firebird619, well, a bit tired but nice :) [04:08] Action: Camarade_Tux wants those NIN tickets ! :p [04:09] i dont know if 32 bit system can read 4 GB of memory? in Windows world it doenst, i dont know how it is in Linux... [04:09] RimFrost, iirc there will always be some kind of limit [04:10] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) got lost in the net-split. [04:10] credo_ (n=name@80.233.147.119) got lost in the net-split. [04:10] but 3GB on 32bit will be just as much as 4GB on 64bit since the pointers take less space [04:10] what is slamd64? [04:10] acidchild: what happens after you copy what you selected? [04:11] acidchild: Ok, figured it out. :) [04:11] then use the move tool [04:11] acidchild: and I found a web site that explains it as well, http://geekswithblogs.net/timh/archive/2006/03/20/72797.aspx [04:11] i was just out on a walk and witnessed a hit and run DUI driver in a brand new Mercedes hit a parked car and total both vehicles. then they still tried to flee [04:11] RimFrost, a port of slackware to 64bit [04:12] i'll might try that one... [04:12] Zozma (n=Winter@d4-103.rb.vcr.centurytel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:13] nullboy, did you report it? [04:13] RimFrost (n=RimFrost@217-209-207-173-no77.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "Lämnar" [04:13] fuck yeah [04:13] they got him [04:13] good [04:14] was he hurt? [04:14] he claimed he had chest pain [04:14] he is lucky thats all he has [04:14] but he managed to flee, driving the messed up car, for about half a mile [04:15] Ok, now I really do need to get going. Good luck with what your working on acidchild. [04:15] firebird619: I realised it was because of the type of image. [04:15] i copyed it as a layer over a new image that was started with a transpatant base. [04:15] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [04:15] Ilie (i=1000@93.112.81.65) left irc: "Leaving" [04:15] and use the duzzy wand and 'cut' [04:15] acidchild: Ok, cool. [04:15] gimp is a little obtuse [04:15] till you get used to it [04:16] later guys. [04:16] later [04:16] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [04:17] here's the messed up part. i was close enough to see the accident happen but too far away to ID the driver. then he fled. [04:17] so the cops said he might have a chance off getting off. [04:17] that is such bullshit [04:18] i think its more important that he gets off [04:18] than the alternative [04:18] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:18] being totally screwed you mean? [04:18] no [04:18] that anything someone says is proof [04:18] in a court of law [04:19] sure it sucks in this case, but you cant have it both ways [04:19] he better get a good laywer in any case [04:19] i saw the car he was found in hit the parked car though [04:20] i dont know the intracasies of law [04:20] but that combined with other evidence [04:20] yeah [04:20] should be enough [04:20] dunnen (n=mike@ip98-166-14-105.hr.hr.cox.net) left ##slackware. [04:21] speaking of hersay insanity [04:21] *heresay [04:21] wait no, hersay [04:22] habtool_ (n=habtool@86-41-74-109-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:22] in the UK an arabic man was arrested because his neighbours thought he was "suspicious" [04:22] i can't believe he got that far even. his car had massive front end damage; a flat right tire, popped radiator, broken tie rod and a freaking deployed airbag [04:22] and he still drove half a mile [04:22] the evidence they found in his apartment [04:22] dunnen (n=mike@ip98-166-14-105.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [04:22] "several containers of lighter fluid and a large amount of sodium chloride' [04:22] exact quote from the article [04:22] bbq ingredients [04:22] wtf [04:23] i love how they used the term "sodium chloride" [04:23] table salt?!? [04:23] sale [04:23] to obviously confuse the issue [04:23] salt* [04:23] MLanden, yes [04:24] to make it sound technical and scary [04:24] disgusting [04:24] they confused meat seasoning and charcoal starter for a terrorist [04:24] gg [04:24] you can damnwell bet [04:24] sodium chloride was the result of a mix of water and sodium [04:24] it was because he was arabic too [04:25] i have large concentrations of hydronium oxide [04:25] am i a threat :(? 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[06:07] morning... never was happy like this to be here again. a power supply just exploded in about 5 cm from my face... i thought that was my last computer i worked on -.- [06:07] shock of my life haha [06:08] int203 (n=adam@c-24-21-196-196.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:08] hey guys [06:08] excellent [06:08] 10 4 slackware [06:09] if only every enterprise distro was as bodaciously rigethous as slackware [06:09] i woudlnt care [06:09] reg [06:09] et [06:09] uz [06:11] there is seriously something (to the degree of) "w t mother f" about rhel, suse, centos [06:12] lol [06:13] im not bein a bitch either [06:13] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. 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[07:36] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:36] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:37] lock screen [07:37] fireking (n=STRESSAD@201.86.180.14.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:38] but it might be the same option as screensaver [07:39] Hmm, you may disable it and then launch vlc..... I know this is not the perect solution... ;( [07:40] well there often an option to ping i'm alive so it doesn't turn on the screensaver like the one in mplayer, but i can't find it in vlc [07:40] kama (n=kama@host83-94-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:45] kama (n=kama@host83-94-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:46] PenPerk (n=carlj@71.246.216.235) joined ##slackware. [07:47] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:52] brokendrink (n=c99@s83-177-28-218.cust.tele2.se) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:54] nille_: in the "Video" preference of VLC, there is "disable screensaver". Does that not work for you? [07:55] nille_: settings>preferences>video enable advanced options>disable screensaver [07:55] i will try [07:55] nik_ (n=o40z@accweb.evergreen.edu) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [07:57] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:58] i can't find that option i use alienBoBs vlc.slackbuild and version 0.9.9 [07:58] is it an separate module? [08:01] nik_ (n=o40z@accweb.evergreen.edu) joined ##slackware. [08:02] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [08:02] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:04] I have that option here nille_ ... in my VLC 0.9.9 [08:04] Tools > Preferences > Show all [08:05] Then Video > Disable Screensaver [08:06] i found it now and i got it enabled [08:06] so that doesn't help [08:07] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:10] Srbo_ (n=Srbo@84.59.13.44) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:11] alienBOB do you use kde4 and seen this? [08:13] I use KDE4, but I think I have not looked at a movie long enough :-) [08:13] I also have a pretty long screensaver activation time [08:13] haha [08:15] well i asked in #videolan now. [08:17] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [08:17] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) joined ##slackware. [08:18] hi people, a quick question... i have modified inittab to boot to runlevel 4... which user does startx gets executed under? [08:19] I don't understand you choose what user to log in as [08:19] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:19] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:19] ok, let me explain in a bit more detail [08:20] the issue is with xwmcinfig [08:20] *xwmconfig [08:20] init 4 is kdm/xdm? [08:20] i have a user 'zoran' who cannot change the default window manager... [08:20] <_RadioHead> zoran119: whas is your issue? [08:20] xdm [08:21] cannot? :D [08:21] maybe his .xinitrc file is chowned by root? [08:21] just guessing [08:22] runlevel 4 does not use settings in xwmconfig or xinitrc [08:22] init 4 will find in xdm , kdm, gdm order, if my memery is good [08:22] <_RadioHead> windows manager like xdm/kdm ? [08:22] you need to choose which de/wm in kdm/xdm/etc [08:22] i suppose he wants to change window manager only [08:22] yeah... xdm is running ok [08:22] <_RadioHead> ok so you want to cahnge to kdm? [08:23] its that when zoran logs in he wants xfce for example [08:23] while the /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc points to fluxbox [08:24] no matter what zoran does with his .xinitrc, he gets the system default (which is fluxbox) [08:24] ~/.xinitrc permissions [08:24] do u follow? [08:24] ? [08:24] checked [08:24] it is +x [08:24] who's owner? [08:24] -rwxr-xr-x 1 zoran users 427 2009-04-18 22:23 .xinitr [08:25] zoran119, if you use kdm you can choose which window manager to start - you should be able to in xdm too but you may need edit a config file [08:25] BUT... i took the system down to runlevel 3 (telinit 3 as root) [08:25] and then [08:25] logged in as zoran [08:25] and then issued startx [08:25] startx honours xwmconfig [08:25] that's when zoran's .xinitrc got respected [08:26] 01:22 < dive> runlevel 4 does not use settings in xwmconfig or xinitrc [08:26] ^^^ [08:26] dive: so how do i change it? [08:27] you choose the desktop you want in xdm/kdm/gdm [08:27] so how do i chose it in xdm [08:28] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [08:29] crzpc (n=mrc@adsl-ull-245-162.50-151.net24.it) joined ##slackware. [08:29] LnxSlck (i=1000@88.214.162.189) joined ##slackware. [08:30] it might be .xsession [08:30] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [08:30] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-20.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:31] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:31] zoran119: write in .profile one last line: startx :P [08:31] and init 3 :D [08:31] zoran119, dunno - I would use kdm [08:32] i'll be back in a sec [08:32] I forget how to make xdm behave [08:32] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: "leaving" [08:32] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [08:33] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [08:33] i'm back [08:33] its .xsession that xdm reads [08:33] install kdm [08:34] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@80.117.98.182) joined ##slackware. [08:34] you won't regret it [08:34] dive: i know, but it is working [08:34] yes it reads xsession and xresources [08:34] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:34] zoran119, it's working now? [08:34] dive: yep [08:34] ok [08:35] crzpc (n=mrc@adsl-ull-245-162.50-151.net24.it) left irc: "Leaving" [08:35] nik_ (n=o40z@accweb.evergreen.edu) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:35] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.30.225) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:35] kdm reads .xinitrc (which can be changed with xwmconfig) and xdm reads .xsession [08:35] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:35] stillbor1 (n=stillbor@MDXXXIII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:35] o0 [08:36] so because i have xdm (no kdm installed) i added exec /usr/bun/xmonad to the bottom and made sure it was executable [08:36] and all good [08:36] well in kdm you select which de you want to run... [08:36] i know.... but i want to run xdm [08:36] and I don't think it reads xinitrc [08:36] no kde stuff on this machine [08:36] nik_ (n=o40z@accweb.evergreen.edu) joined ##slackware. [08:36] well it's working so... [08:37] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:37] don't matter [08:37] dive: oh yeah... u r right [08:37] kde has its own .desktop files in /etc/X11/ somewhere which control the window manager dropdown [08:38] s/kde/kdm [08:38] not sure about desktop files though [08:38] got none on here - but then I haven't used kdm on this box [08:40] dive: /usr/share/apps/kdm/sessions [08:41] yeah that's more like it [08:41] chilkewar (n=chilkewa@203.115.73.42) joined ##slackware. [08:43] zoran119, you know I think you can just install kdm without any kde stuff [08:43] I don't think it has any kde deps [08:44] ok... that's good to know... i just really wanted to work it out [08:44] brb [08:47] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:47] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:48] stillbor1 (n=stillbor@MMMXVI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. 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[09:52] mornin' [09:53] granden (n=granden@83.251.74.91) joined ##slackware. [09:54] Hi, when I login to my slackware server running 12.2 over SSH. It kind of freezes for a few seconds after I entered my login-name before I can ender my password. [09:54] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:54] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:55] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:56] granden: you may have a DNS issue [09:56] The server is on my LAN and using my local IP for the server. [09:57] If it would be the DNS issue what could I check? [09:57] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:57] like I said, you may have a DNS issue... at least put the correct hostnames in /etc/hosts, and see if that fixes things [09:59] I got my correct hostnames in there. [09:59] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:00] i know this has nothing to do with a LAN but what about resolv.conf? [10:00] Nick change: straterr1 -> straterra [10:00] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) joined ##slackware. [10:01] Pig_Pen: All I got in my resolv.conf is nameserver 10.9.9.1 [10:02] who is that ? is that a name server your isp gave you ? [10:02] That is my local router. [10:02] with packet filtering ... [10:02] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.166.143.86) joined ##slackware. [10:03] NAT if thats packet filtering so yes. [10:03] maybe try a different dns server [10:03] All I have to do is change in resolv.conf? [10:03] no great science to the equation [10:03] yes [10:03] can run your own nameserver even, if you wanted to [10:03] put the IP addresses of your ISP's servers [10:04] opendns :) [10:04] Would it be nameserver IP1 IP2 or nameserver IP1 \n nameserver IP2 [10:04] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.223.88) joined ##slackware. [10:04] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [10:04] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:04] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:04] yes granden the newline would apply :) trys the first in the list then the next if that one is down [10:05] Any rc-script ot rerunn or so? [10:05] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:06] You guys are the best. Thank you :) [10:06] should just pick them up the next time a host is needed to be resolved [10:06] Much faster now, like instantly :) [10:06] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009004004.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:07] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [10:09] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:12] sysbr (n=sysbr@201-43-168-2.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[10:56] habtool_ (n=habtool@86-41-68-242-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [10:57] greetings [10:57] hi slacktude, how are you? [10:57] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:57] slackytude [10:57] stilll alive [10:58] yeah, me too [10:58] how are you? [10:58] he [10:58] hello guys [10:58] good, first cup of coffee:) [10:58] hi LnxSlck:) [10:58] hello [10:58] yo LnxSlck [10:58] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [10:59] hello slackytude [11:09] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.147) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:12] adrifth (n=Salle@210.211.128.119) joined ##slackware. [11:13] adrifth (n=Salle@210.211.128.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:13] habtool (n=habtool@86.41.68.242) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:17] adrifth (n=Salle@210.211.128.119) joined ##slackware. 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[11:35] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host36-9-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "reboot" [11:36] you mean, set one up, or add a dns server to resolve addresses? [11:36] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [11:37] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [11:38] Thursap, its called Bind , and its part of slackware ... u just need to configure it [11:38] or dnsmasq [11:38] dnsmasq is great for small/medium sized lan [11:39] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75.50.83.121) joined ##slackware. [11:40] slackytude» how hard is it to set it up? [11:41] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=Nikolai-@201.20.64.142) joined ##slackware. [11:41] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:41] dnsmasq? I found it pretty easy. its well documented and comes with a nice sample config [11:41] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:41] <_RadioHead> init ~ :) [11:41] <_RadioHead> tomorrow [11:41] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.248) left irc: "Leaving" [11:44] what is pretty nice about dnsmasq is that is a combined dhcp/dns server. It will giveout ip addresses to dhcp clients and add them to dns too [11:44] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:44] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-23b58656c80df60a) joined ##slackware. [11:44] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [11:44] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:46] http://www.linux.com/articles/149040 [11:46] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:46] http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3377351 [11:47] slackytude» thanks [11:47] Hi slackytude. How are you today? [11:47] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=Nikolai-@201.20.64.142) left irc: "Saindo" [11:47] greetings firebird619 [11:47] what command to update dns servers added in /etc/resolve.conf ? [11:47] not too funky, I could be better today, still alive, tho [11:47] firebird619, how are you [11:47] Glad your stull alive. :) [11:48] yeah, me too [11:48] I'm doing great, thank you. [11:48] s/stull/still/ [11:48] Thursap, huh? [11:49] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:50] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [11:51] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:51] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:53] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host36-9-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:53] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:54] slackytude: I've put 32 speed dials in opera now, 20 of them are being used. :D [11:55] firebird619, oi! you can do that? [11:55] Yeah, you change the speeddial.ini file in ~/.opera. [11:56] great! [11:56] thx for that [11:56] http://my.opera.com/Tamil/blog/how-to-add-more-speed-dials-in-opera [11:56] There's a howto link. :D [11:56] your opera gear is well deserved [11:56] Anyone know why would i get this error? touch: setting times of `/var/lock/slackpkg.3014': Function not implemented [11:56] :) [11:57] agentc0re, what was the command? [11:57] it was spit out when using slackpkg. I'm guessing touch considering the output. [11:58] i just checked, date and it said. Sat Apr 18 15:58:10 Local time zone must be set--see zic manual page 2009. So i'm wondering if it has to do with the timezone not being set. [12:01] eh, no clue [12:01] permission problem? [12:01] im currently ssh'd in as root. [12:01] Ekc (n=iskar@79-100-12-217.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [12:02] Action: slackytude shrugs [12:03] firebird619, you've got a big monitor? or do you get a scroll thingy when you add more? [12:03] Action: slackytude has 16 now [12:04] slackytude: I have a 22 inch widescreen. [12:04] Thursap (n=bnguyen@118.71.110.203) left irc: "leaving" [12:04] I see ^-^ [12:04] So it looks nice on my setup, no scrolling at all on the speed dial. [12:04] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-165-237.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:04] 16 speeddials is the max for me, I think [12:04] laptop monitor [12:04] Well, that's more/better than nine. :) [12:05] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [12:05] yeah, I was lying, its only 12 [12:05] jnz (n=jnz_@host36-9-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:05] Action: slackytude cant count :( [12:05] good enough, tho. need to think what to put there [12:05] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:05] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:06] I have Opera, my opera, lifehacker, gizmodo, newegg, local newspapers, slackware.com, slackbuilds.org, engadget, etc. [12:07] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:07] hm, I have slackbuilds.org as a search machine, so I only enter: sbo PACKAGE and it will search for PACKAGE on sbo [12:07] Yeah, I have that too, but I still put it on speed dial. [12:07] Action: slackytude nods [12:08] I mainly have webcomics on speeddial [12:08] I could add uni there too [12:08] I have a search for weather too for weatherunderground.com, so I just type weather zipcode and it shows me the weather. [12:08] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn26.78-99-54.t-com.sk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:08] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn28.91-127-21.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [12:08] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:08] nice idea. [12:09] although I dont travel enough to be useful for me [12:09] I don't travel really at all. I mainly use it for where I live. [12:09] whoa, LCARS interface on lifehacker. nifty stuff [12:10] abby (n=abby@p5B09AB46.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [12:10] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:10] firebird619, I use the xfce weather plugin for that [12:11] Yeah, I'm on xfce too and used to use that, but it seemed after a few days, it stopped updating. I've never tried it on slackware though, I bet if I did, it would work flawlessly. :) [12:11] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:11] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [12:12] why don't you guys use some feed reader ? [12:12] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-209.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:12] Google Reader for e.g [12:12] I actually don't have that plugin right now. I'll have to get it and try it. [12:12] duryodhan, feed reader? [12:12] duryodhan: I do, in opera. :) [12:12] rss feeds. [12:12] RSS/Atom feeds [12:12] firebird619, works great here, no issue [12:12] so that you don't have to check what site has updated [12:12] duryodhan, yeah, I know, but in what context? the weather? [12:12] no .. number of speed dials [12:13] I can't imagine me needing more that 1-2 quicklink ... [12:13] s/$/s [12:13] I usually see when the site changes in speed dials. but its more like quick access that update notification, really [12:13] s/that/than [12:13] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:13] slackytude: I'll have to get it and try it again. I'm on rworkman's 4.6 packages, and maybe that plugin isn't included. I think there's a plugin addon pack or something though. [12:14] duryodhan, especially with webcomis, when I open opera in the morning, I see them all on as soon asI start opera [12:14] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host36-9-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:14] firebird619, its on sbo [12:14] I need gmail and google reader .. thats all.. wikipedia I access via search shortcut .. and google via ctrl+k [12:14] nice, I'll go there then. Thanks. [12:14] slackytude: won't it look really small ? [12:14] what, the speed dials? [12:14] not on my work machine [12:15] but yeah, I'll still visit the site. But taking megatokyo for example, if there is lazy Piro day, I dont visit at all [12:15] how wide is your screen ? [12:15] I don't think they really change size the more you get, it just, on smaller screens, adds scrolling to see them all. [12:16] duryodhan, dual 19" [12:16] I just tried out xkcd.com on speeddial .. ain't look that good [12:16] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:16] Action: duryodhan hates slackytude [12:16] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] I have a shitty 17" at work [12:17] dual 19" ? I envy you. :P [12:17] cos I am an intern .. those bastards give 22" to all employees [12:17] well, no, but I like to see them all at a glance when I start my browser. of course I still visit the site. Its way better than rss feeds, I think [12:17] Sweet, weather plugin is installed. :) [12:17] slackytude: I guess .. if you don't follow anything else via RSS [12:17] ^-^ [12:17] duryodhan, I do [12:18] I still like speed dials ^-^ [12:18] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:18] It's 48 F here right now. [12:18] then .. I would prefer comics via RSS too .. as I am using it anyways [12:18] but yeah [12:18] I like the feed reader in opera. It notifies like it does an email when there's new stuff. [12:18] I use opera as rss reader, some I have in thunderbird and some in ktorrent [12:19] depending on how I need them [12:19] ohh .. I use google reader .. easier to make it work across home and work machines [12:19] opera sync ^-^ [12:19] or is it opera link? [12:19] Action: duryodhan looks up opera sync ? [12:19] link [12:19] It's opera link [12:20] http://link.opera.com/ [12:20] I was amazed when I first found that. [12:20] no clue how long I overlooked that [12:20] It's a really nice feature. I personally have never used it, no need to, but it is great. [12:21] I use it to sync between work and home [12:22] That's where it comes in handy, syncing between work and home or home and cell phone, etc. [12:23] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:23] Well, I'm going to be afk for a little while, see you later slackytude. [12:23] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:23] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:23] see ya [12:24] Enjoy your extra speed dials. :) [12:26] yeah ^-^ [12:27] I figured out my problem! :) On linode it boots you to certain kernels. It automatically gave me a 2.6.18 kernel but i'm running 12.2 that has 2.6.27.7. Once i changed the profile to boot >=2.6.27.7 kernel it worked. 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[12:35] eh, laptop crashed [12:37] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:38] on the floor [12:38] tripped over the power line [12:38] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux [12:39] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:40] how come other pc makers dont copy apple's magnetic ac adaptor [12:41] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:41] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:41] tank-man» I guess it's protected by thousands of patents [12:42] including the magnetic field O_o [12:42] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-20.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:42] magnetic AC Adaptor ? [12:43] the ac adaptor stays connected by a magnet [12:43] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:43] duryodhan» plug and socket have magnets [12:43] instead of using friction [12:44] http://www.instructables.com/id/ThinkSafe:-A-Magnetic-Power-Connector-for-Thinkpad/ - you can build it yourself :) [12:44] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:45] Jean (n=jean@93-36-225-146.ip62.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [12:45] ohh ok [12:45] i would think that atleast the thridparty market would make some magnetic coupler so it is universal to be used with all laptops [12:47] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:49] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [12:49] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@216.100.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [12:49] nothing12345 (n=phil@217.199.27.187) joined ##slackware. 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[12:54] HellTiger, surelly there's a lot of german channells of slackware in some other server [12:55] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-9-90.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [12:55] slackytude, kennst du auch debian, schon mal eingesetzt? [12:55] LnxSlck, wich server? [12:55] HellTiger, german one's.. i don't know [12:55] HellTiger, http://wiki.slackforum.de/SlackForumWiki [12:55] thats german [12:55] thanks [12:55] abby (n=abby@p5B09AB46.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:55] HellTiger, ja, is ok, mag slack mehr [12:56] slackytude, und wieso? :> [12:56] HellTiger, können wir privat reden? der channel ist english only [12:57] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:58] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:59] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:59] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:01] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [13:02] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:04] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [13:04] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:06] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:09] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:11] doesnt windows use a modified unix kernel also? [13:11] noobfarm ? [13:12] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:12] modified bsd sources it does :P [13:12] easy to confuse [13:12] eh [13:13] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:13] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:13] finally i've got beer [13:13] g, it's so nice [13:14] ya cant go wrong with a cold frosty beverage :D [13:14] Pig_Pen: super cold Guinness? [13:14] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.58) joined ##slackware. [13:15] 3/4 foam on top ftw. [13:15] i have not seen any Guinness in in the stores around here, i will have to ask the manager at my favorite liquor store [13:15] isBEKaml (n=vats@122.164.251.239) joined ##slackware. [13:15] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.70.6) joined ##slackware. [13:16] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009004004.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:16] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:17] vinegaro2n (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [13:17] hey guys, I tried a simple perl script with unicode. It looks like neither xterm/console have unicode support. How can I enable it? [13:18] uxterm [13:18] or urxvt [13:19] agris, their tcp/ip stack is not based on freebsd's anymore ;) [13:19] Pig_Pen: They are specifically meant for unicode? [13:19] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:19] i think so [13:19] Pig_Pen: hmmm, lemme see.. :) [13:19] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@216.100.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:21] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-119-51.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] Pig_Pen: I don't have urxvt here. uxterm returns error, same as xterm. :( [13:22] i am no unicode guru, maybe keyboard internationalization? [13:22] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:23] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:23] Pig_Pen: No, I'm simply putting in some text, convert it to unicode, print it out and convert it back again. [13:23] Pig_Pen: So, I figure if unicode's supported, it should be displayed proper, right? [13:23] you lost me there [13:24] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:24] vinegaro2n (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:24] let's say I feed in some input, say, "Hello". Encode it to unicode and print it out. Now decode it back again and print. In effect, I'm simply testing for unicode support. :) [13:24] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:25] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [13:25] nothing12345 (n=phil@217.199.27.187) left ##slackware. [13:25] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:27] All this cos I'm reading the perl llama book. Looked at the chapter on unicode, thought I'd try it out. [13:27] you have to climb higher up Slack mountain to find that solution [13:28] likely. :) [13:29] i thought perl's mascot was a camel [13:29] Programming perl - camel, Learning Perl -llama. :) [13:29] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:30] isBEKaml, what is your $LANG? [13:30] en_US [13:31] there it is [13:31] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:31] does he need to change the locale? [13:32] Now you lost me, do I have to change $LANG to something else? How do I know it's there among what I have here? [13:32] Or even where do I look for the locales? [13:33] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:33] isBEKaml, I think it is en_US_uft8 [13:33] utf [13:35] locale -a | grep utf [13:35] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:35] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:35] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/utf-8.xml [13:35] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [13:35] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:35] ah, it's en_US.utf8 [13:36] Pig_Pen, yes, check the link [13:36] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:37] that was a major pita for me [13:37] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:37] our university machines all use utf [13:37] got a lot of funky errors [13:37] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:37] took me a while [13:38] once you know it, tho, its easy [13:38] also, I ended up setting the university machine to en_US [13:39] alice_ (i=alice@89.194.71.182) joined ##slackware. [13:39] hmmm... weird, I still get those wide character errors. [13:40] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:41] how do i do a print screen with import with delay ? [13:41] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.98) joined ##slackware. [13:41] i used import but it just snaps the terminal window [13:41] sleep 2; import ~/img.png [13:41] k [13:41] forgot sleep :D [13:41] =P [13:41] slackytude: looks like I'd have to do some figuring out.. :D [13:41] gentoo does have some great docs [13:41] brb.. [13:43] Camarade_Tux, wont work [13:43] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:43] isBEKaml: what about the font you are using, i seen x terminals of all kinds look like poopoo when i did not use a monospace font [13:43] it always snaps me the terminal window [13:44] what am i talking about, this is a day off for me, i should be doing something else [13:44] DeeeeP, it always removed my borders, I'm wondering if that's not normal [13:44] Action: vastina ping [13:44] Camarade_Tux, it removed from me , buttom border [13:44] if your app take the whole string, you may do "import -window root" to take a screenshot of the whole string [13:45] with -window root , wont let me change to firefox [13:45] it just snaps terminal [13:45] try "import -border" probably then [13:45] Action: Camarade_Tux can't try, he has no borders [13:45] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:45] ok [13:46] import: no window with specified ID exists `border': Resource temporarily unavailable @ xwindow.c/XImportImage/4860. [13:46] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:46] :) [13:46] FAIL [13:47] 3 minutes elapsed latency from my ping request... psh [13:47] i think freenode blocks ping [13:48] twas a piss take, good morning Pig_Pen [13:48] :) [13:48] DeeeeP, 'sleep 2; import -root window' [13:49] can someone get me up to speed on DeeeeP's issue so that i might have some input? [13:49] you doing good vastina? [13:49] shawley am piggy, my day off [13:50] yourself? [13:50] Camarade_Tux, import: unrecognized option `-root' @ import.c/ImportImageCommand/1104. [13:50] same here, my stomach is growling while i smell chicken frying in the kitchen [13:50] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:50] DeeeeP, crap, I always mess this one : 'sleep 2; import -window root' (swap "window" and "root") [13:51] i already did that command [13:51] wont work , Camarade_Tux [13:52] Camarade_Tux_ (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:52] snaps the terminal [13:52] with "sleep 2" before, it will let you change to firefox first [13:53] before ? [13:53] wont work [13:53] i've tryed it [13:53] it snaps the terminal [13:54] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.70.6) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:54] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:55] you told me it wouldn't let you change to firefox ; that command works for me [13:55] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [13:55] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:55] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:55] it changes to FF , but the screenshot goes to terminal [13:56] i sleep 5 , and alt tab quickly [13:56] so more than enough time [13:56] gimp can do that too [13:56] how ? [13:56] been searching [13:56] aquire or so [13:56] coulnd find it [13:56] where [13:56] somewhere in file menu [13:56] ok [13:57] file -> acquiere [13:57] file -> acquire [13:57] *sigh* [13:57] now is Create -> Screenshot [13:57] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:57] found it [13:57] oh right [13:57] new version [13:59] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:59] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [14:00] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:00] Pig_Pen: yeah chicken sounds good, i'm making a spanish dish, some chorizo con papas, with some pimenton, few garlic cloves, some onion... etc [14:01] pastas since I don't have anything else :D [14:02] Action: vastina is actually more busy holding his composure as his girl bitches him out all morning.... [14:02] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [14:04] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:05] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:06] Camarade_Tux_: i've been there, when i was travelling in spain and portugal living in hostels [14:07] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:07] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:07] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:07] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [14:08] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-75-43-76-187.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:08] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-23b58656c80df60a) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:08] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:09] all one needs is a little pasta, some decent oil, and a bit of parmesan [14:09] ricotta's nice as well if the budget allows [14:10] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:10] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:11] alice_ (i=alice@89.194.71.182) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:12] no, only ketchup, I was programming and forgot to buy food in time =) [14:12] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:12] Sorry, took so long. I still haven't figured it out. Pig_Pen, I always use rxvt. Just the default font. [14:13] Anyway, today just isn't my day. Gonna hit the sack. Better day tomorrow. G'night, guys! [14:13] :) [14:13] omzine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [14:13] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:13] isBEKaml (n=vats@122.164.251.239) left irc: "leaving" [14:14] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:16] Action: vastina was reading the #slackware chan rules... [14:16] hi i just installed the ati drivers catalyst and my computer crashes, when I try to start at by init 3 and then startx kde shows it startup screnn dispalys loading perypherials and then hangs. The startxfce works well, any sugestions ? [14:16] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [14:18] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:18] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:18] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.98) left irc: "she won." [14:18] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:19] i like chorizo! i mix it with scrambled eggs sometimes [14:19] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [14:19] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:20] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:20] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.64.161) joined ##slackware. [14:20] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-422709.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:23] heeep anyone please please help me [14:23] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:23] stillbor2 (n=stillbor@85.77.244.244) joined ##slackware. [14:25] cd (n=cd@24.5.14.39) joined ##slackware. [14:25] I have a RDNIS device (usb ethernet gadget) and a usb0 net device who is a server. I see it asking for a dhcp request when I tcpdump -i usb0 -- Is there a way I can respond to that dhcp request? I tried starting a dhcp server, but I need to tell linux to send on usb0. Not sure how. [14:25] RNDIS* [14:25] lf4 (n=lf4@71.199.22.31) joined ##slackware. [14:25] cd, is usb0 listed in ifconfig? [14:25] I was hoping I could bridge it, but my whole network breaks when I add usb0 and eth0 into the same bridge [14:26] stillbor1 (n=stillbor@MMMXVI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:26] slackytude, yes [14:26] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:26] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:26] paul424: since startxfce4 (other window managers) works it is not an X problem, most likely a kde problem [14:26] I am trying dome dhcp-forward package [14:26] but I don't think it's working [14:26] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [14:27] dhcp server should work then [14:27] lf4_ (n=lf4@71.199.22.31) joined ##slackware. [14:27] well wait, I think it's a little different [14:27] usb0 is connected to a emebed cmoputer (gumstix) [14:27] I lost my serial cable [14:27] but I know it's booted and asking for an address [14:27] that shouldnt be a issue really [14:28] strange. I wonder why dhcp server isn't doing anything then [14:28] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:28] ok, I will do some more diggin [14:28] the dhcp server works for a different interface` [14:28] ? [14:28] yah [14:28] oh I see. it's not listening on usb0 [14:28] WhiteMagic (n=WhiteMag@p549FDDED.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:28] wierd [14:29] see, usb0 has no address [14:29] Nick change: lf4_ -> kj [14:29] give it on, then [14:29] one [14:29] mercfate (i=1000@201-75-5-141-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:29] hi [14:30] anyone can help with iptables rule? [14:30] slackytude, yah. I will [14:30] kj (n=lf4@71.199.22.31) left irc: Client Quit [14:30] i can restrict ssh access for an especified mac addres [14:31] per MAC address? [14:32] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:32] why? [14:32] jnz (n=jnz_@host36-9-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao!" [14:32] i use iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -m mac --mac-source XX:X:X -m state --state NEW --dport ssh -j ACCEPT [14:33] or iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -s -m mac --mac-source XX:X:X -m state --state NEW --dport ssh -j ACCEPT [14:33] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:33] does it show packets matching when you list? [14:33] (iptables -vnL) [14:33] ? [14:34] i need to use -s or not? 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[14:44] /write [14:44] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:44] mercfate (i=1000@201-75-5-141-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [14:44] last access is last access, read or write [14:45] whats the command to kill all firefox processes if you run the command #firefox& [14:45] or wait [14:45] write sets modification date [14:45] so, access date could be read only [14:45] Is it #killall -9 firefox? [14:46] I think its firefox-bin [14:46] i hate firefox zombies [14:47] Man... pirate bay got slammed... [14:47] pkill firefox* would work? [14:47] killall firefox works, too [14:47] alkos333, old news [14:47] slackytude: The verdict? [14:47] killall does squat to zombies [14:47] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:48] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:48] antler: Works here [14:48] antler: Well, cancel that. It doesn't always work here [14:49] humm yeah killall -9 firefox* did not work but -bin got it all. [14:49] what about open and close without read/write [14:49] 'Change' date is for the inode, right? [14:50] alkos333, yes [14:50] _ohm (n=mark@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:50] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:50] nooper: ok but what if the file was not close because of the system crash [14:50] nooper, thats still access,Id say. altho what point would opening without reading or writing [14:50] also all logs are in var/logs right ? [14:51] slackytude: none [14:51] slackboy: I get my torrent news from TorrentFreak feed [14:51] slackytude: Sorry, that was addressed to you ^^ [14:52] alkos333, still old news ^-^ we talked yesterday about it [14:52] paul424: ~/.xsession-errors [14:52] slackytude: Yes, I don't read my feeds everyday [14:52] I can't wait for Miro to get approved in SBo [14:53] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:54] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [14:54] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:55] Any way of avoding the firefox message "Last session closed unexpectedly..." when starting FF after doing the killall? [14:57] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:58] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:00] lf4, use the source, luke! [15:01] alkos333, but I think it sucks [15:01] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:01] alkos333, they will appeal, tho [15:01] slackytude: haha ;) will do but my force is more brute. [15:01] juhl (n=juhl@swampdragon.chaosbits.net) joined ##slackware. [15:01] lf4: there will be some file in ~/.mozilla that tells it to do that, you have to find out which and delete it (or edit it, if that's what's needed) [15:02] Greetings everyone - sure is a long time since I've been here last... [15:02] Thanks Urchlay I'll check it out. [15:02] Couple of years probably [15:03] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [15:03] lf4: or google for it... try "firefox avoid session crash dialog", see the first hit [15:03] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:03] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:03] DRcheese (n=DRcheese@rgibmerrill.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:04] slackytude: Yes, but appealing is only going to focus on the procedural aspect. Like the leak of the verdict in this case for instance. [15:04] branko (n=branko@wifi-82-117-219-19.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [15:04] Do colleges block slackware from accessing wifi? [15:04] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:04] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:04] That's it thanks Urchlay I kept looking for the setting in the wrong place. :) [15:04] alkos333, Im not to hip on swedish law [15:04] DRcheese, ? [15:04] branko (n=branko@wifi-82-117-219-19.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Client Quit [15:04] ok [15:04] DRcheese: ? [15:05] slackytude: Where are you located? U.S.? [15:05] is linux banned at some colleges? [15:05] alkos333, germany dude [15:05] DRcheese, how would we know? [15:05] slackytude: Ah, alright. [15:05] slackytude: They don't know what operating system you are running, let alone the distro. [15:06] alkos333, thats good! [15:06] :P [15:06] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-422709.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:06] DRcheese: That is an odd question to ask. Why would you think Linux is banded at select colleges? [15:07] I've heard of schools that don't allow "unapproved" OSes on their networks actually [15:07] http://tinyurl.com/cluzza [15:07] DRcheese: Dude... that doesn't make sense. [15:07] ... [15:07] w/e [15:07] DRcheese (n=DRcheese@rgibmerrill.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:07] exactly. [15:07] he was a troll [15:07] but it's more of a case of "we won't support your OS or help you in any way", not "we will confiscate your computer and expel you from school" [15:08] XGizzmo: you said the file ~/.xsession-errors but the kde crashes before I log [15:08] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:08] Urchlay: now that makes more sense haha after all 4 universities I've been to. [15:08] in can be tricky to get inside the network if they have fancy MS auth schemes. tho [15:09] well wpa_supplicant supports any network auth that windows does. it even does MSCHAp [15:09] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:09] but if the school has a graphic design department, they pretty much have to allow students who use mac OS, which sorta opens the door for other non-windows OSes... [15:09] nullboy, tricky, not impossible [15:09] Just wanted to inform everyone that the ##slackware FAQ I wrote "back in the days" that used to be at http://www.linuxtux.org/~juhl/slackwarefaq/ is now (again) available, but at a new URL - it's now (permanently) at http://www.chaosbits.net/Articles/Historical/SlackwareFAQ/ ... [15:10] that dude was just a troll, no worries [15:10] I've seen better trolls even [15:10] yeah [15:10] trolls these days just dont do it [15:10] SlackRat (n=jhambel@212.28.252.86) joined ##slackware. [15:10] I know they might have fits about certain distros of Linux being on their network like backtrack, or others. lol [15:11] Action: lf4 is confused... whats the purpose of a troll in IRC channels? [15:11] the purpose is to troll [15:11] lf4: I guess some people just get a kick out of pissing other people off ... [15:11] well there's nothing wrong with backtrack itself. the problem is that it has a specific target audience which is not supposed to include users who have to ask "how do i set my IP address" [15:11] to start shit, to piss everyone off, etc [15:12] juhl: Welcome back :) [15:12] rworkman: thanks :) [15:13] juhl: I think erik still has all of that old stuff from linuxtux if you need it, or otherwise I do. [15:13] rworkman: It's been a while ;) [15:13] Indeed :) [15:13] How's the little one doing? [15:14] rworkman: actually, I lost a disk a few years back, so I don't have any of the stuff I put up there back then (well, a few things, but not everything) - so if you have an archive I'd love a copy :) [15:14] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [15:14] freak [15:14] my switch just rebooted [15:14] juhl: sure, just a moment [15:14] rworkman: little ones actually - the twins are doing fine - thanks :) [15:14] Ooh, I didn't remember that there were twins! Wow, you're busy :) [15:14] rworkman: indeed [15:16] MrDusty (n=dusty@217.155.141.46) joined ##slackware. [15:17] firebird619: Colour -> Colour to Alpha -> select colour to be turned in to alpha. [15:17] firebird619: i found it! :) [15:17] dasm80x86 (n=dasm80x8@24.147.233.134) joined ##slackware. [15:18] SlackRat (n=jhambel@212.28.252.86) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:18] rworkman: a boy and a girl, they are 27 weeks old yesterday :) [15:18] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:19] juhl: they grow up fast. My daughter is 20 months now already... [15:19] acidchild: grat. [15:19] s/grat/great/ [15:19] I'm tarring up the ltorg stuff now; I had originally intended to go through it and put an archive up somewhere, but it would require lots of cleaning due to hardcoded addresses, and I never got the time. I did wipe out most/all of the source tarballs from it, as they were all OLD. [15:19] did you guys see that /. about the craigslist poster? [15:20] doesn't that judgment open up a huge can of worms or is it just me? [15:20] the way i take is that i can't copy and paste anything someone sends me in a PM [15:20] at least not into a public forum from a PM [15:20] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [15:20] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82.38.88.58) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:21] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl10-119-92.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:21] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:21] http://www.citmedialaw.org/threats/doe-v-fortuny [15:22] yosii (n=yosi@71.143.168.182) joined ##slackware. [15:22] i'm having an issue compiling synaptics on 12.2 [15:22] http://pastebin.com/mc625c00 [15:22] SlackRat (n=jhambel@212.28.252.86) joined ##slackware. [15:23] uu [15:23] synaptics comes with 12.2... [15:23] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:23] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl8-65-68.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:23] xf86-input-synaptics-0.15.2-i486-1.tgz [15:23] rworkman: yeah, very fast - but it's fun to watch them doing so. Congratulations on your daughter - didn't know about that. [15:23] 0.14.6 is long been broken on newer systems anyway. [15:23] along with synclient [15:24] but 12.2 comes with it [15:24] juhl: thanks :) [15:24] right [15:24] agris (n=agris@195.13.163.133) left irc: "leaving" [15:24] there's no need to compile it yosii [15:24] agris (n=agris@195.13.163.133) joined ##slackware. [15:24] ack........long time no see, y'all........how's slackin treating ya? [15:25] slackin' the most [15:25] heh [15:27] nullboy, ok, i thought it was installed, but tried to compile it per instructions on getting touchpad scroll working [15:27] truth be told i was ashamed till i loaded up version 12.2 :-P [15:27] then the issue is entirely different... [15:27] heh [15:27] waseem57 (n=waseem@202.141.140.161) joined ##slackware. [15:28] habtool_ (n=habtool@86-41-68-242-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:28] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.64.161) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:29] We still using slapt-get; or is there a replacement? [15:29] mercfate (i=1000@201-75-5-141-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:29] hello [15:29] we were using slapt-get? [15:29] when? [15:29] waseem57 (n=waseem@202.141.140.161) left ##slackware. [15:29] heh.........slackpkg or nothing [15:29] Hi mercfate. How are you? [15:29] dasm80x86, slackpkg sbopkg [15:29] fine [15:29] i need little help [15:30] anyone tried to hack my proxy server, i have the ips [15:30] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:30] lol [15:30] maybe it should be called "get-slapt"... as in, get-slapt in the face for using it :) [15:30] i can do anything baout this? [15:30] mercfate: nope [15:30] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:30] about* [15:30] :( [15:30] or it could merge with bitchx and be called......... [15:30] they tried...but they didn't? [15:31] no [15:31] so then what's the problem? [15:31] they used brute force [15:31] so? [15:31] i get tons of hits all day long [15:31] but my pass is stronger [15:31] mercfate: uumm...so what's the problem? nothing happened... [15:31] my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/m3ee71d6f and my Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/m3dd8632 [15:31] you should get used to seeing bruteforce attempts [15:32] Ibrain_movich (n=doxem@189.107.11.190) joined ##slackware. [15:32] with those, what should i do to get my touchpad scroll running? [15:32] i thinked to do anyothing about this [15:32] nullboy: got a minute? [15:32] its a job for Ace Rimmer [15:32] anything* [15:32] chopp: yep [15:32] mercfate: you could try to contact the ISP, but likely they won't do anything... and like nullboy says, it just bounced off your armor, why worry about it? just block the offending IPs and get on with life [15:32] slackytude: Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back in the morning! [15:33] nullboy: did you by chance try to connect an M$ client to the TLS AP? [15:33] right, thanks :D [15:33] chopp: i have no MS clients right now to test with [15:33] Urchlay, ^-^ [15:34] slackytude, igor? [15:34] nullboy: nor do I but I've got someone coming over today with an xp laptop so I can try. [15:34] chopp: bottomline is, at least right now, until i see a git commit against 2.6.30-rc2/rc3 regarding ath5k and beacons..i'm not even going to look at this crap [15:34] mercfate, huh? [15:34] your name is Igor? [15:34] chopp: i'm extremely frustrated with the current linux wifi master mode support [15:34] or what's he say, "I'll be back for breakfast" maybe... long time since I saw those [15:34] Ibrain_movich (n=doxem@189.107.11.190) left irc: "Full Throttle: a melhor distância entre dois pontos [www.fullt.net]" [15:34] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:34] mercfate, what makes you think so? [15:35] nullboy: yup I feel the frustration myself. [15:35] chopp: when 2.6.29 was released all the blogs were touting master mode enabled but that is not the case at all. it's not enabled at all...still [15:35] Urchlay, back for breakfast it is [15:35] just watching it now [15:35] nothing, leave :D [15:36] watched the new one, "back to earth", last night. They still have it [15:36] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:36] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:36] Urchlay, aye ^-^ [15:36] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [15:36] nullboy: it's not even enabled in that wireless-testing tree. :( Hey how about an ath9k card? It seems to be all good. [15:36] chopp: lol [15:38] chopp: from reading the links you posted me about AP mode..they have deeper laying problems than just AP mode and from my testing i can confirm exactly what they are talking about in the lists. my cards will go into master mode but they will not beacon and that is because there is a problem with beacons in the wifi stack. So, we might be able ot patch to enable AP mode but there are problems in the rest of the stack so it's pointless [15:38] too bad it took this long to figure it out..due to all the misinformation out there [15:38] mmm, bacon [15:39] oh, beacon, nm [15:39] yeah we had to jump around quite a bit for info didn't we. :P [15:39] Ilie (n=slacker@92.81.188.9) joined ##slackware. [15:39] meanwhile my ath5k card doesn't even work with the in-kernel driver, I still have to use madwifi [15:39] hi, I'm trying to install virtualbox on slackware 12.2 but I can't find any good tutorial [15:39] (this isn't master mode or anything, either) [15:39] any good docs, other virtualization software I could use [15:40] Ilie: go to http://www.slackbuilds.org and search for virtualbox [15:40] I looked at http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:qemu but the tutorial is so big [15:40] Urchlay: you're not alone. i can't even use madwifi because my hardware suffers from their own long standing beacon bug.... [15:40] yosii (n=yosi@71.143.168.182) left irc: "Leaving" [15:40] Urchlay: all they tell me to do is "well try this svn r, oh no try this one..." [15:41] stuck beacon bullshit [15:41] I supose I should get the -kernel and -kernel-addons [15:41] nullboy: that may be the same problem I have. symptom is, it'll work ok for a while, then freeze up for a while (from a few seconds to a few minutes), then recover [15:41] If anyone wants to test: [15:41] http://www.slackpkg.org/beta/slackpkg-2.71beta5-noarch-1.tgz [15:41] Urchlay: yes that's the stuck beacon [15:41] Urchlay: and yes, you're screwed [15:42] Ilie: you need the -kernel for sure. Not sure about the kernel-addons (I never installed them, but I'm not doing anything fancy) [15:42] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:42] thanks Urchlay for the tips [15:42] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:43] man I miss my laptop [15:43] fortunatly my cards work good with Master mode, and as a client with EAP-PSK anyway. [15:43] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:43] nullboy: I don't know enough about how wireless works to really say, but... the beacon is something being broadcast by the AP, to tell the card "here I am"? [15:43] Urchlay: yes [15:43] the ESSID [15:43] or does the card broadcast its own beacon in managed mode, as well? [15:44] habtool_ (n=habtool@86-41-81-20-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [15:44] stuck beacon affects master mode [15:45] if it's just a matter of the card being unable to see the beacon from the AP, shouldn't I be able just forcibly set the ESSID and tell it "this is not going to change, you don't need a beacon"? [15:45] nope [15:45] the AP locks up [15:45] the radio locks [15:45] you mean, hostapd locks up? I'm not asking about that, I'm asking about normal client-mode usage [15:45] there's nothing on the client side that can help this [15:45] this isn't a client side issue [15:46] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:46] this affects AP mode only. [15:46] ah. So my ath5k card failing, isn't being caused by the stuck beacon issue? [15:46] is it in AP mode?> [15:46] no [15:46] then no [15:46] (I said that, above) [15:46] thats just being ath5k being crappy [15:47] Urchlay: ihate to say it but the linux wifi stack is dildos right now [15:47] nullboy, ap mode is pretty new,no? [15:47] slackytude: for ath5k yes but not for madwifi... [15:47] madwifi is the one with the stuck beacon issue and ath5k just plain out sucks [15:47] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:48] nullboy: yeah... when you say that, you gotta say it in a scandinavian-sounding accent, then play some really fast scales on your guitar [15:48] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:48] the project lists some cards as working when they don't work, they listed AP mode as working when 2.6.29 was released and if you look at the code it's not even there..period. [15:49] nullboy, for ap mode or wifi in general [15:49] slackytude: everything sucks [15:49] I see [15:49] from nl80211 down [15:49] or up, however you look at it [15:50] 2.6.30 is at rc2 right now and AP mode is still not enabled in rc2 or even in the wireless testing [15:50] as I understand it, ath5k in the kernel is the kernel driver code from madwifi, but it sends reverse-engineered firmware to the card rather than the official binary blob [15:50] meaning my problem anyway, is likely caused by the firmware [15:50] as far as i knew, ath5k is a rewrite [15:50] yeah [15:51] whatever it is, it is making me crazy [15:51] hm, well I might be wrong, been a month or two since I looked at the ath5k vs. madwifi thing [15:52] I did try not too long ago to hack up the madwifi driver, to get it to quit flashing the LEDs on the card [15:52] (they blink continuously, whether there's any traffic or not, which annoys the crap out of me) [15:52] heh [15:52] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:52] successfull? [15:52] nope [15:52] eh [15:52] you can kill that in the kernel [15:52] yup [15:53] i think madwifi had a module param for that too [15:53] the driver still worked after I patched it, but the lights still blinked too :( [15:53] heh [15:53] the ath5k driver doesn't blink them by default, which is one reason I wish I could use it [15:54] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn28.91-127-21.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [15:54] "modinfo -p ath_pci" shows nothing that looks related to LEDs :( [15:54] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [15:55] anyway I went with the low-tech solution (piece of black electrical tape over the lights) [15:55] it's a proc/sys thing now [15:55] hm, really? /me investigates [15:56] I see a /proc/sys/ath, but nothing looks relevant [15:56] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:56] (the files are named the same thing as the module parameters from modinfo -p) [15:57] they painted an entire floor here this weekend... damn i feel high from the fumes. [15:58] ugh, that's not a fun high [15:58] yeah :( [15:58] i'm sure i'll live =) [16:00] mercfate (i=1000@201-75-5-141-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [16:00] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:00] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-9-90.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:00] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:01] HellTiger (n=hell@p5B0CC549.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:01] ah, /proc/sys/wifi0/ledpin and softled [16:03] Urchlay: /sys/class/leds/ [16:03] ...is an empty directory [16:03] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:03] yeah not here [16:03] i have it populated [16:03] iwl-phy0:RX/ iwl-phy0:TX/ iwl-phy0:assoc/ iwl-phy0:radio/ [16:03] and i can disable any of those actions [16:04] grr, damn hostapd doesn't want to build... [16:04] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:04] juhl: good luck [16:04] do I need to load some module, or is my madwifi driver too old? [16:04] driver_nl80211.c is foobar [16:04] sysctl -a |gre[ iwl [16:04] ? [16:04] nothing [16:04] juhl! [16:04] juhl: git builds for me [16:04] nullboy: with hostapd? [16:04] :O [16:04] juhl: long time no speak! :) [16:04] dasm80x86 (n=dasm80x8@24.147.233.134) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:04] juhl: yes, good luck [16:05] nullboy: it may build for you, doesn't for me... [16:05] we've just been talking about hostapd [16:05] this whole time [16:05] nullboy: I've been away feeding my kids - didnøt see [16:05] juhl: when i said "git builds for me" that was a suggestion....don't get crazy geez [16:05] what's your problem? [16:05] nullboy: I did pull latest git [16:06] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:06] "sysctl -a | grep led" only shows "dev.wifi0.softled = 0" and "dev.wifi0.ledpin = 0", and setting those to various different values doesn't seem to change anything [16:06] nullboy: what version of madwifi have you got? [16:06] nullboy: Problem is I need nl80211, but when I enable it in .config I get compile errors - and I *don't* feel like debugging that atm... [16:06] juhl: so if you don't feel like debugging it why even ask then? [16:07] Urchlay: i don't use madwifi anymore [16:07] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:07] Urchlay: stuck beacons [16:07] nullboy: eh, so, that /sys/class/led stuff is the ath5k driver? [16:07] juhl: are you using -current or 12.2? [16:07] nullboy: I mean; if you have a quick fix - let's hear it :) if not I'll sit down with emacs and the source later, but I don't have the time for that right now :) [16:07] juhl: hostapd and the wifi stack now require some additional userspace stuff. [16:08] nullboy: -current and a custom git kernel from yesterday, hostapd from git as of 30 min ago [16:08] ok [16:08] omzine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:08] nullboy: I'm getting driver_nl80211.c: In function 'send_and_recv_msgs': [16:08] driver_nl80211.c:182: warning: passing argument 1 of 'nl_send_auto_complete' from incompatible pointer type [16:08] mmm, I love the smell of bleeding edge software in the morning [16:08] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [16:08] nullboy: and more of the same... [16:08] juhl: what kernel version? [16:09] 2.6.30? [16:09] +git? [16:09] juhl: cast it to (void *) :) [16:09] nullboy: as I said, a git snapshot from yesterday [16:09] as you said [16:09] oh of course [16:09] i was feeding my kids sorry didn't see [16:09] omzine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [16:09] Urchlay: perhaps, but without reading the code I'd say - probably no. [16:09] anyone here use webalizer? [16:09] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:09] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [16:09] Urchlay: and it's not the only failure [16:09] juhl: I was being facetious [16:10] yosii (n=yosi@71.143.168.182) joined ##slackware. [16:10] Urchlay: and I was being ... ... ;) [16:10] like you said, someone will have to sit down and puzzle out the source when you have time [16:11] Urchlay: yeah, and I normally don't mind doing that, but right now I don't have the time - I just need this damn rt73usb card going as a access point within the next hour .. grrr... [16:11] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:11] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [16:11] yosii (n=yosi@71.143.168.182) left irc: Client Quit [16:11] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:12] juhl, Id say thats unealistic [16:12] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:12] realistic even [16:12] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:12] ugh. You might use some of that hour to locate and acquire a card that's known to work? (assuming there are any, nobody seems to ever say anything happy about hostapd) [16:13] The only card I've ever had that actually *worked* as an AP was an Atheros one [16:14] or just use the hour to buy a AP# [16:15] slackboy: problem is it's 22:15 here - I can't buy an ap, but I need wireless to work... [16:16] what, no 24-hour wal-marts? [16:16] slackboy: AP's are cheap, I'd buy one if I could - I can't - all I have is this nick that is suppposed to support AP mode if just hostapd would build... [16:16] Urchlay: In denmark, no. [16:16] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:16] ouch [16:16] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:17] hh, you can always install windows os in 1h :D [16:17] ehh, do modern wireless cards still support ad-hoc mode? [16:17] mine does [16:17] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:18] as far as it is moderns... iwl3945 driver [16:18] agris: no fsck'ing way - I've never had that crap in my house to this day I'm not going to start now - it's enough I have to deal with the shitty Win32 API daily at work (luckily only as a second class supported platform though)... [16:18] vista and win7 make ad-hoc *MUCH* more visible than xp did so I guess modern cards support that mode [16:19] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A76874.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:19] Urchlay: the one I have here is supposed to, yes. That might be worth a shot as a fallback option [16:19] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [16:19] eh, router reboots when changing a port forwarding rule >-< [16:19] Urchlay: but I'd rather get hostapd to build... but that's probably not going to happen, so I might as well try ad-hoc and leave proper AP mode for another day.. [16:20] yeah, if you're pressed for time [16:20] Urchlay: indeed [16:21] juhl: did you try hostapd-0.6.9? [16:21] I suppose you're using the fresh git stuff because the stable releases definitely won't work [16:21] chopp: yup, tried that as well as a pull via git - no difference [16:21] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:22] the nl80211 stuff looks broken in both [16:22] do you could use AP mode with windows? [16:22] could you use, I mean [16:22] slackytude: Windows is *not* an option [16:22] right [16:22] but it was more a general question, does that work in win? [16:22] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:23] slackytude: I wouldn't know, I refuse to touch the stuff [16:23] both 0.6.9, and the latest git pull build fine here on 2.6.29.1 [16:24] chopp: did you enable CONFIG_DRIVER_NL80211=y in your hostapd .config ? I need that... [16:24] yes, thats what I use [16:25] chopp: ok, now I'm currious, I just tried hostapd 0.6.9 - extracted the tarball, copied defconfig to .config, enabled that one option and ran 'make' - and the compile failed... [16:26] chopp: and that's with slackware -current (up-to-date) and a kernel that's a git snapshot from yesterday. [16:26] chopp: maybe I'm overlooking something basic ... [16:26] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:27] dunno whats up then juhl, builds here. I haven't updated this box with the latest updates but... [16:27] slackytude: I've found posts on the 'net that say that the card I have does work in AP mode in Win, yes.. [16:27] right, thx [16:27] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-9-90.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [16:28] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:28] hey I my system crashed badly what can I break the partion checking ? [16:28] s/what/ [16:29] paul424: you mean the fsck? you don't want to abort that, it's kind of important [16:29] chopp: What exactely did you do when you build it - maybe I missed something.. [16:30] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.6.189) joined ##slackware. [16:30] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:31] juhl: no different than what you did, except I just make my own .config instead of copying defconfig over. [16:31] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:32] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-9-90.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:32] chopp: could you send me a copy of the config you use? [16:32] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) joined ##slackware. [16:32] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:32] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/12780 [16:33] chopp: thanks [16:33] you're welcome [16:34] chopp: just tried it - still fails [16:34] grr [16:34] Action: juhl is frustrated [16:34] slackytude (n=slacky@87.167.95.24) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:35] Nick change: slackytude2 -> slackytude [16:35] chopp: that's the config you use with 0.6.9 - right? [16:35] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.64.161) joined ##slackware. [16:35] juhl: yes [16:35] chopp: and slack -current ? [16:35] except the last batch of updates yes [16:35] odd [16:36] that's really odd [16:36] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:36] juhl, what error message does it fail with? can you pastebin or something? [16:36] that last batch of updates didn't include a new gcc did it? [16:37] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware. [16:37] apparently not [16:37] yosii (n=yosi@71.143.168.182) joined ##slackware. [16:38] Urchlay: I don't think so, but I haven't checked the changelog [16:38] juhl: I forget now, but will 0.5.11 not work? [16:38] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-109.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:39] chopp: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/12781 [16:39] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:39] crzpc (n=mrc@adsl-ull-245-162.50-151.net24.it) joined ##slackware. [16:39] chopp: dunno [16:39] the last batch of updates for -current include a rebuilt kernel, but not a new kernel source version [16:40] Urchlay: finally back on slack :) [16:40] gotta go 5 min... [16:40] juhl: maybe try 0.5.11 from SBo [16:40] yosii: slack is happy to have you back [16:41] Urchlay: now if i could just get my slackbuilds recompiled...i'll be happy [16:41] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Client Quit [16:41] driver_nl80211.c:2215: error: too few arguments to function 'genl_ctrl_alloc_cache' <--- definitely something's horked here [16:41] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [16:41] Urchlay: half tempted to just slapt-get my packages from slacky [16:41] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-75-43-76-187.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [16:41] yosii: expect breakage... [16:41] . [16:41] Urchlay: i know how slacky is... [16:41] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:41] yosii: you might try sbopkg [16:41] Urchlay: i already expect breakage [16:42] fair enough [16:42] Urchlay: which means i grab the slackbuild, and the dependencies, then compile anything broken [16:42] Urchlay: a little faster than compiling over 100 packages [16:42] sbo has a bin repos? [16:43] you didn't save your old binary packages from your last install? (or it was a different slack version?) [16:43] no [16:43] no, but sbopkg automates the process of building from from there [16:43] s/from from/stuff from/ [16:43] Urchlay: it was a different slack distro, i'm back to 32 bit [16:43] ahh [16:44] Urchlay: slamd is nice, but i notice no difference in performance [16:44] crzpc (n=mrc@adsl-ull-245-162.50-151.net24.it) left irc: "Leaving" [16:44] I've never run anything but slamd64 on my one 64-bit box, no idea how it compares to 32-bit performance on same hardware [16:44] Urchlay: well, i only have 1gb of ram [16:45] Urchlay: and there is literally no difference in performance [16:45] SlackRat (n=jhambel@212.28.252.86) left irc: [16:45] chopp: my girlfriend just came home with a borrowed USB nic (non-wifi) that works - so no rush now := - though Id'd still like to get this crap to work.. It's reallly odd that it builds for you, but not me, with the same config... [16:45] Urchlay: i've been told that if i had more than 4gb, i'd notice something [16:46] juhl, the error is from the source code, not the config [16:46] the original reason for me using slamd64 was to test it out, with an eye towards using it for the production server at my old job (which was running my own incomplete slackware-recompiled-for-64bit distro) [16:46] driver_nl80211.c:2215: error: too few arguments to function 'genl_ctrl_alloc_cache' [16:47] eh, but, they never let me do anything proactive anything at that job. It was always "it works, don't touch it", up until the point where it'd die, then it was suddenly "how could you let this happen?!" [16:47] dive: I know, but the config desides what code to build ;) [16:48] dive: and if he can build that on Slack-current, then I should be able to as well... that's what's odd.. [16:48] juhl, yeah, well you could try making everything=n and then testing, enable one feature at a time [16:48] Urchlay: and you didn't keep a voice recorder handy, i gather [16:48] Urchlay: downloading gsb now [16:48] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:48] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:48] dive: I've alreadyt cut it down to the bare minimum I need - no point in cutting it further [16:50] yosii: 64 bit kernel matters if you've got more than 4GB RAM. 64bit userspace matters if you have apps that do lots of calculations on 64bit numbers... otherwise you're not likely to notice... [16:50] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:51] yosii: I seriously doubt it would have mattered [16:51] by his own defition, the boss was always right [16:51] juhl, there must be a version difference between chopp's and yours then - it'a all I can think [16:51] er, definition [16:51] perhaps chopp can pastebin his driver_nl80211.c? [16:51] Urchlay: yeah, the question is what? [16:52] even when he said completely stupid things in meetings, everyone but me learned to nod their heads and pretend to listen attentively to his wisdom [16:52] dive: He's using the one from 0.6.9, so am I [16:52] hmm very weird.. [16:52] dive: indeed [16:52] you guys both md5sum your driver_nl80211.c, to be 100% sure [16:52] good thinking [16:53] $ md5sum driver_nl80211.c [16:53] 03e2f67d767b65d4f1edd0a30df10fa1 driver_nl80211.c [16:53] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:53] sometimes I've fixed a silly typo in code and reuploaded with same version number hoping that nobody would notice ;-) [16:54] yosii: gnome? yeah, I wouldn't want to sit & wait for that to recompile [16:54] dive: I hate when people do that [16:54] dive: submit a patch, then [16:55] well it wasn't anything really important - just UT mods [16:57] yosii: according to the guy who has my old job, that server's still running my recompiled slack 10.2 for 64-bit, never been updated, betcha if I wanted root I could get it [16:59] recompiled slack for 64 bit? [17:00] Urchlay: LOL [17:00] Urchlay: if it's still a slack 10.2 install I'd bet I could if the box has a public ip ;) [17:00] meth0xy (n=methoxy@ip72-197-207-247.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:00] how do i install slackware linux _without_ a cd drive [17:00] i tried using unetbootin, however it wont wortk [17:00] juhl: i bet any SLACKer could [17:00] meth0xy: you use a floppy, usb stick or install to a hd that you then move to the box... [17:01] usb stick install [17:01] how long did it took you to compile slack for 64 bit? [17:01] how? thats what i was trying to do [17:01] I was using unetbootin, but no go [17:01] [zaphod|/home/avenger|41]> cat /etc/slackware-version [17:01] Slackware 10.1.0 [17:01] Action: thumbs hides [17:01] troopr (n=Unknown@210.211.128.119) joined ##slackware. [17:01] juhl: it's 10.2 that I recompiled for 64-bit, so you can't use prebuilt exploits that target slack, but sure you could get in [17:01] real men use slackware [17:01] we dont need no pussy linux [17:02] meth0xy: I WANT PUSSY LINUX! :D [17:02] however, I will install 12.2 on it in a few weeks [17:02] slackytude: I recompiled it because I didn't know about slamd64 (it was still pretty new back then) [17:02] Urchlay, how long did it took you to compile slack for 64 bit? [17:02] lol [17:02] Ok has anyone succeeded in getting slackware installed via usb flash drive? [17:02] i need help [17:03] meth0xy: I put slack on my soekris, its using a cf card :) [17:03] juhl: try to get in my box! [17:03] unetbootin "could not find ramdisk image: /ubninit" [17:03] thats what i googled for [17:03] well I didn't recompile the whole distro (no X, no KDE)... took maybe a week, but that was with me babysitting it. If I'd needed to do it a second time, it could have gone a lot quicker (automated) [17:03] meth0xy: look for usbboot.img in /usb-and-pxe-installers [17:03] but didnt find any info [17:03] meth0xy, there is document that describes it [17:03] juhl: (updated openssh, ssl, kernel, and many things) [17:03] Juhl: can i just rawrite.exe [17:03] the slackware dvd iso [17:03] to my thumb drive [17:03] juhl: It's good to see you back here. [17:03] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:usbboot [17:03] meth0xy: I recently installed slack 12.2 on a box that had nothing but USB and the HD - worked just fine [17:04] IIRC, it was just a, part of ap, most of d, about half of l, and all of n [17:04] using slackytude's guide? [17:04] its not my guide [17:04] that is really complicated, why wont unetbootin load slackware [17:04] it loads ubuntu and gparted fine [17:04] it's alien's guide [17:04] er, and y (can't live without my fortune when I log in!) [17:04] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.0/usb-and-pxe-installers/README_USB.TXT [17:04] Urchlay: LOL [17:04] paul424 (i=0@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:05] troopr (n=Unknown@210.211.128.119) left irc: Client Quit [17:05] juhl: It's good to see you back here. [17:05] meth0xy: read this: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/tools/usbinstall/12.2/README [17:05] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:05] gm152: thanks :) [17:05] so i need a linux to make a linux installer with this =( [17:06] meth0xy: that unetbootin loads slackware usb install image too :P [17:06] meth0xy, not really [17:06] Well when i try it with unetbootin [17:06] bascially you need dd [17:06] "could not find ramdisk image: /ubninit" [17:06] thats the error i get [17:06] I just read some kernel configuration description by using menuconfig and know it says to check for example the AGPGART but i can't find it ... is it everyting in menucofing what can be compiled during kernel build ? [17:06] Urchlay: i migrated an old sco server over to slack 7(tells you how long ago it was) and put a call to fortune -o in profile [17:06] and there is a ubninit file but its 0 [17:06] troopr (n=Unknown@210.211.128.119) joined ##slackware. [17:06] should i replace ubninit with usbinit [17:06] there is just a little bit of brain functioning and eye complicated work :) [17:07] paul424: everything you can select is in menuconfig, yes [17:07] Urchlay: the bad thing, this was in a dr's office [17:07] yosii, heh [17:07] ok so whereis the AGPGART [17:07] paul424, or make xconfig [17:08] some people like that more [17:08] yosii: hopefully a doctor with a sense of humor [17:08] slackytude: most of the time, fortune -o returns 71 [17:08] 71? [17:08] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:08] I searched all over google for this: unetbootin "could not find ramdisk image: /ubninit" [17:08] no luck [17:08] meth0xy: g....... [17:08] Should i replace ubninit with the usbimage [17:08] $ fortune -o [17:08] A friend with weed is a friend indeed. [17:08] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:08] Urchlay: she told me she didn't care, since i was the one that was the one dealing with it [17:08] Action: juhl wonders if "ubn" should be "usb" [17:08] heh, here's a classic: Did you know that Spiro Agnew is an anagram of "Grow a Penis" [17:09] The reason we need the MX missile system is that the missiles we [17:09] currently have in the ground are the Minuteman model, which is very [17:09] old. The Defense Department can't even remember where half of them [17:09] Channel flood from slackytude -- kicking [17:09] are. Insects have built nests in them. People have built houses [17:09] directly over the silos. What this means, of course, is that if we [17:09] slackytude kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [17:09] meth0xy: format usb drive. run unetbootin. locate slackware *.img and thats all.. dooh [17:09] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A76874.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] recreation room in South Dakota, but your strategic defense planners [17:09] are not. [17:09] Urchlay: 71: 69 with two fingers up your ass [17:09] -- Dave Barry, "At Last, the Ultimate Deterrent Against [17:09] Political Fallout" [17:09] sorry, that was kinda dumb [17:09] But agris i did that! [17:09] Well i used the ISO option [17:09] is that incorrect? [17:09] oh, right, I remember getting that one a lot on slack 7 [17:09] WhiteMagic (n=WhiteMag@p549FDDED.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:09] I pointed unetbootin to the slackware-setup dvd [17:09] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-13acee1908c48a84) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:10] Old_Spike0 (n=harmatta@213.37.173.116.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [17:10] usbboot.img is 0kb [17:10] wth [17:10] meth0xy, maybe you want to point it to usbboot.img [17:10] yeah but its 0kb [17:10] must be abug, ill re download it [17:10] thats not the correct size ^-^ [17:10] omzine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:10] about half of gsb downloaded...i wonder how dangerous it is to install two unrelated packages simultaneously [17:11] meth0xy: as you've been said, download special usb installer.. it can be found on ftp mirrors root [17:11] it's been compressed by an uber-powerful algorithm that can shrink any file down to 0 bytes :) [17:11] yeah wow [17:11] it got nerfed [17:11] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: "leaving" [17:11] I guess somehow the usbboot.img got nerfed by unetbootin [17:11] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-9-90.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [17:11] meth0xy: then it's obviously broken - a 0 byte image is never going to work - sure you downloaded the right thing.. [17:11] got nerfed by some scruffy nerfherder? [17:11] Old_Spike0 (n=harmatta@213.37.173.116.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:11] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.173.116.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [17:11] cd (n=cd@24.5.14.39) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:11] well [17:12] ill check the ISO file archive for usbboot.img [17:12] maybe it broke through unetbootin [17:12] cd (n=cd@24.5.14.39) joined ##slackware. [17:12] ill just replace usb-and-pxe-installers/usbboot.img(0kb) with the proper one (27mb) [17:12] meth0xy: had only problems, when usb drive wasn't formatted before [17:12] i formatted it with fat32, is that incorrect? [17:12] using the hp usb disk format utility [17:13] y [17:13] shouldnt matter [17:13] readme_usb.txt -> all described very well [17:13] you're going to blow away the filesystem on that usb stick anyway, by dumping usbboot.img on top of it [17:13] hey where should I look for the AGPGART in the menuconfig ? [17:13] so what it was formatted with before shouldn't matter [17:13] usb booting is for pussies...LOADLIN FTW [17:13] paul424, you can search for it [17:14] [17:14] grep .config AGPGART [17:14] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.6.189) left irc: Connection timed out [17:14] ok wish me luck here we go [17:15] for the first year I ran slack, I had windows 95 booting to a config.sys menu, and the default option was to load Slack with loadlin [17:15] paul424, device drivers - graphics support - agp/agpgart [17:15] i replaced the 0kb ubninit with the 27mb usbboot.img [17:15] right? [17:15] even replaced the win95 boot splash screen with a slackware logo [17:15] Urchlay: now THAT is cool [17:16] ok fingers crossed [17:16] we are rebooting the machine! [17:16] ;) [17:16] heh, loadlin [17:16] 203/372 Get ftp://ftp.slackware.pl/pub/gnomeslackbuild/gsb/gsb-2.22/ gnome-menus-xfce 1.5-noarch-1gsb [0.0kB]...Done [17:16] yosii: windows 95 was kind of bloated, for a linux bootloader :) [17:16] LOL [17:16] Urchlay: that it was [17:16] that's odd, menus are taking up 0.0kb on gsb [17:17] but back then I still played DOS-based games, and dosemu couldn't handle them (and dosbox didn't exist yet) [17:17] loading ubninit! [17:17] just a touch'ed file [17:17] OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [17:17] dosbox sucks anyway [17:17] Action: meth0xy slackgasm [17:17] for most games [17:17] oh damn it crashed [17:17] Urchlay: bochs + freedos FTW [17:17] slackytude: I managed to play a nice deathmatch game of Blood with it [17:17] then I discovered transfusion [17:17] Urchlay, try TIE fighter [17:17] VFS: Cannot open root device "" or unknown-block(8,2) [17:18] Please append a corret "root=" boot option; [17:18] eh, I sucked badly at all the xwing/tiefighter games, to the point where it's no fun to play them :( [17:18] I was in the Inner Circle of the Empire [17:18] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:18] root=0800 sda driver: sd [17:18] ? [17:18] root=0800 [17:18] is that correct? [17:18] I even had the mission editor and made me own stuff [17:19] what, you were one of those british guys sitting around the table on the death star, being choked by vader? [17:19] I crushed them puny rebels [17:19] nah, Vader was my homeboy [17:19] ah, you were a grand moff... "Vader! Release him." [17:19] heh, aye [17:19] (always surprised me Vader would let that guy talk to him that way) [17:19] transfusion? [17:20] slackytude: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/games/transfusion/ [17:20] Vader might be an ace in the force but couldnt build/maintain a deathstar Id say [17:20] thats why a linux admin was pretty safe on the deathstar, too [17:21] well, if they would have used Linux [17:21] ...until it asploded [17:21] obviously they were an MS shop [17:21] slackytude: are you on crack? the death star ran MVS [17:21] thought they ran AT&T UNIX? http://neon.vortex.com/att-logos.jpg [17:22] yosii, MVS? [17:22] guys can you help me figure this one out? [17:22] http://pastie.org/450991 [17:22] slackytude: MVS/ESA [17:23] yosii, never heard of it [17:23] IBM OS [17:23] Urchlay, transfusion looks nice [17:23] meth0xy: r u sure system booted from usb? [17:23] yosii, yeah, I checked wikipedia. still, never heard of it [17:23] yes [17:23] it booted from usb [17:24] cuz i only have windows xp on this netbook atm [17:24] http://theprettymindedugly.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/mimas.jpg mimas, one of saturn's moons [17:24] slackytude: it's nice enough I made that slackbuild for SBo... hoping one day I'd have someone to actually play against :) [17:24] is it trying to mount the usb isk [17:24] ? [17:24] usb disk [17:24] and failing? [17:25] What should the root= be [17:25] Pig_Pen: that's no moon... [17:25] oh, wait, yes it is a moon. My bad. [17:25] some space probe picked up that photo within the last year or two [17:26] all of the usb diagnostic stuff flies by my sreen too fast [17:26] bet whoever was looking at the data laughed his ass off... unless maybe he freaked out instead [17:26] then the kernel panic locks the laptop p [17:26] up [17:26] http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6999 [17:26] so i cant scroll up [17:26] What would root= be if im installing via usb [17:27] shoudn't [17:27] depends on how the kernel detects your drives [17:27] got sata drivers? [17:27] thats the thing, i cant scroll up [17:27] *drives [17:27] Well yeah it detects sda and sda1 [17:27] but t his is the root isnt it? [17:27] shouldnt it be like /dev/usbsomething [17:27] nope [17:27] well, install boot detects drives when it's supposed to not at the booting kernel? [17:27] meth0xy: try the "page up" key [17:27] just use sda? [17:28] i tried page up and shift + page up [17:28] meth0xy, depends [17:28] its kernel panic, lockup [17:28] Pig_Pen: I want to believe there were 2 guys sitting there watching the feed from the satellite, and when that showed up, one looked at the other and went "That's no moon!" [17:28] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:28] got sata drives? they might get assigned sda1 [17:28] yes [17:28] ill try 0800 [17:28] so, try sdb1, sdc1... [17:28] it says i can chose the following: [17:28] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.64.161) left irc: "Leaving" [17:28] whot? [17:28] one of them was sipping a sodapop and it shoots out his nose on to his keyboard [17:29] yeah :) [17:29] 0800 156290904 sda driver: sd [17:29] 0801 124833051 sda1 [17:29] so root= what? [17:29] i tried root=0800 but that didnt work =( [17:29] 0801, at a guess [17:29] /dev/sdb1 [17:29] /dev/sdc1 [17:29] root=/dev/sda [17:29] root=/dev/sda1 ? [17:29] *sigh* [17:29] you're mounting a root *partition*, not a whole device [17:29] kk [17:30] Urchlay: his only root partition is ntfs with win xp :) [17:30] eh, but I dunno whether you can use the 0801 syntax there, might have to be /dev/sd?1 something [17:30] yeah i have 35gb of unpartitioned space for slack [17:30] ntfs??!? he installed Slack in it? wtf! [17:30] nope [17:31] Pig_Pen, he tries to boot from usb [17:31] now i get a no init found [17:31] as he said, he has pc with win xp on it. [17:31] think installing slack in it is what he's trying to do right now [17:31] ah [17:31] if i do root=/dev/sda1 i get a panic no init found [17:31] obviously root= needs to be the USB device [17:31] can anyone throw me a few guesses [17:31] ./dev/usbwhat [17:31] sda1 probably is your winxp hard drive, so that makes sense [17:31] meth0xy, I would, as I did, but you dont seem to listen [17:31] try /dev/sdb1 [17:31] ok [17:31] as slackytude told you to, about 10 minutes ago :) [17:32] sry [17:32] maybe Im on ignore ^-^ [17:32] i dont have a parittion for slackware made yet [17:32] can anybody see this? [17:32] slackytude: no [17:32] i was going to use fdisk in slackware to make it [17:32] Urchlay, damn [17:32] slackytude: try typing your password, see if it shows up as hunter2 or all asterisks :) [17:33] Urchlay, right [17:33] cannot open root device sdb1 [17:33] UberSecret [17:33] kernel panic, death, crash & b urn and all that [17:33] panic! death and devastation! dogs & cats living together! nazis riding dinosaurs in the street again! [17:33] one more go this time root=/dev/sda [17:33] lol [17:33] no [17:33] sdc1 [17:34] ok [17:34] look, /dev/sda is guaranteed not to work [17:34] you probably don't already know this but... /dev/sda refers to the entire disk, not a partition. /dev/sda1 sda2 etc. are the partitions (which you already tried) [17:34] cannot open deice sdc1 [17:35] so i need to go b ack to gparted dont i, and make a slackware partition? [17:35] that won't really help [17:35] meth0xy, nope [17:35] itll make a /dev/sdb1 blank drive for slack to load [17:35] oh [17:35] So this is trying to load the USB filesystem , correct? [17:35] gparted will make an empty partition for you, but it won't have slackware on it (it'll be empty, right?) [17:35] meth0xy, yes [17:35] ok [17:35] meth0xy: let's start from beginning. when you boot from unetbootin's made usb, you've got grey screen with options. You choose first (just press enter or wait countdown) and then get this kernel panic? [17:36] i press tab at that screen [17:36] to enable options [17:36] no [17:36] why? [17:36] and i append root=(slackytudes stuff) [17:36] just press enter [17:36] duh [17:36] what happens if you just press enter at that screen? [17:36] then it doesnt work [17:36] you don't need that for install [17:36] one sec [17:36] it says [17:36] it says cannot load device [17:36] ah [17:36] here is my original pastie: [17:36] http://pastie.org/450991 [17:36] of course it shows kernel panic, because you don't have any [17:36] thats just pressing enter [17:37] actuallly that was root=0800 [17:37] damn, Im stupeed [17:37] you don't have to write any options [17:37] 0800 refers to the entire device (it's the same as /dev/sda) [17:37] i already tried originally by just pressing enter [17:37] but ill do it again [17:37] but... /dev/sda *should* be your internal hard drive [17:38] right i need my usb device right [17:38] yeah [17:38] If i just hit enter i get this: [17:38] isnt the root option for an already exisitng / pasrtition. I think I was giving wronf info all the time [17:38] VFS: Cannot open root device "" or unknown-block(8,2) [17:38] paul424 (i=0@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:38] actually I haven't read the howto you're following, I'd expect it to be using a ramdisk for the root fs (which is what the CD and DVD installers do) [17:38] pfff [17:39] habtool (n=habtool@86-45-136-65-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [17:39] i really wanna get slackware on this and defy the impossible [17:39] i think you would have better luck if you forget the usb device and install slack to a regular internal harddrive [17:39] it's a netbook [17:39] thats not an option [17:39] im using a USB flash drive to install it [17:39] wait. Are you installing *to* a usb drive, or *from* a usb drive? [17:39] from [17:39] installing from [17:39] Pig_Pen, he wants to install on HD by USB boot [17:39] thats what unetbootin does [17:39] it take syour slackware iso right [17:39] don't know then :) i've installed slackware more than 20 times this way netbooks, workstations, servers, never was such a problem [17:40] yah, that's what I thought, just makin sure... [17:40] here ill make a screenshot of what i put inside the unetbootin window [17:40] I installed Slackware onto my netbook using the usbboot.img copied to a pendrive... [17:40] zsakr (n=zsakr@77.42.227.232) joined ##slackware. [17:40] How can I determine which modules are associated with a piece of hardware, or which hardware is associated with a loaded module? [17:40] maybe im doign this incorrectly [17:40] zsakr: "lspci -v" [17:41] meth0xy, maybe you should use the dd version given in the HOWTO [17:41] thanks alot [17:41] he can't easily do that, he's got no existing linux to run dd with [17:41] cygwin :) [17:41] cygwin [17:41] and "netbook" implies no cd-rom drive (otherwise he wouldn't be dorking around with usb in the first place) [17:42] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:42] cygwin can really dd to a raw device? I did not know that... [17:42] slax? [17:42] alienBOB, I was confused earlier. the root option of the installer is there to mount an existing / partition, right? [17:42] "Direct Rendering Manager (DRM): Must *not* be built into the kernel - it should be a module (and not loaded) or not built. " what does it mean not loaded for the module I am completly stuck [17:42] paul424, it means, X will load it, dont load it manualy [17:42] meth0xy: dd.exe for Windows: http://www.nu2.nu/bootcd/#aboutdd [17:42] Urchlay: must try then. why it shouldn't work? [17:42] paul424, afaik [17:43] ok guys [17:43] alienBOB: Well, poop. Error - rt2x00 does not support Adhoc or Master mode. [17:43] www.dankchronic.com/pics/unetbootin.jpg <- & press OK - am i doing this wrong??? [17:43] agris: can't easily try, I haven't had a windows install in years :) [17:43] how can I load it manually .... by command line ? [17:43] meth0xy, O_o [17:43] meth0xy, wtf [17:43] zsakr: nobody said rt2x00 would support that right? [17:43] im doing it wrong? [17:44] dang cheap linksys cards, i bought one before i knew much about wifi [17:44] meth0xy: errrr. this ain't from any slackware howto documentation, is it? [17:44] No this is unetbootin [17:44] it takes your linux ISO [17:44] and makes a setup usb key for you [17:44] ah. I think that may be the source of the confusion [17:44] meth0xy, dude, usbboot.img [17:44] works fine with crappy linux distros like ubuntu etc [17:44] alienBOB: No, but dmesg explicitly says that it does not support it. [17:44] meth0xy: did you actually try the usbboot.img that comes with Slackware? [17:44] meth0xy: slackware already *has* that, use the usbboot.img [17:44] Oh [17:44] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.174.179) left irc: "leaving" [17:44] meth0xy: listen to alienBOB [17:45] Im confused how to implement it though [17:45] Action: slackytude slaps meth0xy [17:45] all i have to use is windows xp.. do i need rawrite.exe? [17:45] zsakr: the rt2x00 has a long way to go before it is feature complete [17:45] that guide is confusing!!! [17:45] meth0xy: use ftp://slackware.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/usb-and-pxe-installers/usbboot.img ! [17:45] ok [17:45] we are doing the timewarp [17:45] meth0xy: maybe so, but you have a whole IRC channel full of people to ask questions of, if you get confused [17:45] how do i write the iso to the disk though??? [17:45] Action: yosii hands slackytude the thwacker [17:45] just jumped back 30minutes [17:45] alienBOB: I thought rt2500pci would be exclusive of the rt2x00 module, but when I load rt2500pci the rt2x00 also loads. [17:45] Using dd.exe for WIndows you do not even need a Linux to copy that img file to a pendrive [17:45] i hear you on the usbboot.img [17:45] ok so use dd [17:46] But extract the contents of ISO to c:\slackware first [17:46] i got a question about wifi, what is the best pci wifi card to get, the best! the one that works good with wpa2 without a hitch, might as well find out before i throw down money on another card [17:46] zsakr: rt2x00 is the common module [17:46] meth0xy: NO to your "extract the contents of ISO to c:\slackware first" [17:46] Why would you? [17:46] I meant "yes good idea" :-) [17:46] i_is_cat_ (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:47] alienBOB: I've had three different wireless network cards to test with. At least one of them supported my Ad-hoc settings and worked quite well. The problem is that I cannot remember which card did work... and now I can't get any of them to support Ad-hoc mode. [17:47] alienBOB, fun! [17:47] heh [17:47] Ok [17:47] hm. Wonder if the rt2x00 stuff will ever support the rt2860 [17:47] im putting it in G:\slackware my c drive is bloated atm [17:47] Action: Urchlay hates the rt2860sta module [17:47] zsakr: maybe you tried the rt2500 driver written by serialmonkey before [17:47] kanja (n=kanja@74.72.194.84) joined ##slackware. [17:47] meth0xy, dude , use ftp://slackware.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/usb-and-pxe-installers/usbboot.img [17:47] I have usbboot.img already on the iso [17:48] Action: alienBOB stopped using rt2860sta and now uses ndiswrapper unfortunately. The rt2860sta does not work with my WPA2 setup [17:48] alienBOB: ouch. rt2860sta does work with my WPA (not WPA2) setup... did you build the drive with wpa_supplicant support enabled in its Makefile? [17:49] No [17:49] I use the iwpriv way [17:49] http://www.nu2.nu/download.php?sFile=dd.zip <- is that it [17:49] Yes [17:49] idk ill check nvm sorry im asking too much [17:50] im just excited about this slackware on the lenovo s10 [17:50] meth0xy: you're fine :) [17:50] orgasm [17:50] ok, too much [17:50] well that might have somethin' to do with it, I had to rebuild the driver before WPA would work (but I got no errors that indicated the driver was missing anything, it just timed out...) [17:50] Jim-Morrison (n=UNIX@201.35.45.32) joined ##slackware. [17:50] meth0xy: after reading the text next to that lik I am noi longer sure that this is a dd.exe that you can use. [17:50] habtool_ (n=habtool@86-41-81-20-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:50] i would have to repack the ISO [17:50] to use tis [17:51] or no [17:51] i would just append usbinit.img [17:51] Jim-Morrison (n=UNIX@201.35.45.32) left irc: Client Quit [17:51] alienBOB: I'm not totally opposed to using ndiswrapper, but I know I didn't need to in order to get connectivity before. [17:51] yeah this dd.exe is from 1991 [17:51] feching anciente [17:51] alienBOB: set HAS_WPA_SUPPLICANT=y and HAS_NATIVE_WPA_SUPPLICANT_SUPPORT=y in os/linux/config.mk, see if that helps? [17:51] Hey - I transfered some files last night with scp - I ran du to double check the file size and the ones I moved over are bigger then the orginals [17:52] meth0xy: http://gmgsystemsinc.com/fau/ has a zip file with a dd.exe inside [17:52] are they corrupt? How could that happen? [17:52] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:52] kanja: ls -l [17:52] kanja: do not use du to check the size. Use md5sum to see if the checksums match [17:52] alienBOB: I'm not totally opposed to using ndiswrapper, but I know I didn't need to in order to get connectivity before. [17:53] isnt rawrite.exe the same thing as dd.exe [17:53] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833315041 ever hear of Edimax? the specs says it works with Linux [17:53] kanja: yeah what bob said :) [17:53] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:53] alienBOB: I wanted to use Master mode, but I settled for Ad-hoc and a couple iptables rules. [17:53] meth0xy: :) just use unetbootin; 1) format usb drive 2) diskimage = usbboot.img 3) OK 4) reboot 5) boot from usb 6) enter 7) and start installing [17:53] on 2) - nothing more is asked [17:54] okay [17:54] (just 1 point - choose right usb drive's drive: [17:54] thing was, the iwpriv stuff didn't work either, without the wpa_supplicant support in the module... [17:54] meth0xy: you don't need .iso right now if you have internet connection [17:54] Urchlay: i use wext [17:55] meth0xy: if you don't then download from ftp .../slackware-12.2/slackware dir somewhere on disk [17:55] i think this iso is damaged [17:55] I'll retry rt2860sta when I have some time again :-) In the meantime, I should check if our slackware-current rt2860 kernel module works [17:56] for some reason it says these files are 0 bytes [17:56] othermindszine (n=othermin@233.sub-70-192-49.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [17:56] its on crack [17:56] meth0xy: you DON'T need that iso. just .img! [17:56] just download the slackware dir [17:56] ok [17:56] well i can extract the iso then [17:56] meth0xy, ftp://slackware.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/usb-and-pxe-installers/usbboot.img [17:56] What should I do? [17:56] and like you said unetbootin to the path of usbinit.img [17:56] yes you can [17:57] Suggestions please??? [17:57] but this iso is ****ked up [17:57] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [17:57] yes, diskimage is ISO type not floppy, and iso image is usbboot.img [17:57] ..not slackware-blabla.iso [17:57] So? [17:59] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.173.116.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:59] hmm, -current has a 2860 driver? /me investigates [18:01] heh, but the box with the rt2860 in it, is slamd64, not slack [18:02] granden (n=granden@83.251.74.91) left ##slackware. [18:02] could run 2.6.29.1 kernel on it anyway [18:02] tommcd (n=tom@c-68-63-85-178.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] is my iso corrupt or something? winrar is extracting all those img files with 0kb size [18:03] ill just download the damn tree [18:03] ffs [18:03] meth0xy: you don't need extract .img [18:03] md5sum your iso [18:03] winrar might just suck? [18:03] bt the iso !? [18:03] both winrar and poweriso [18:03] winrar doesn't recognize that format [18:03] dooh [18:04] extract the files within the entire usb-and-pxe-boot directory [18:04] with 0kb inside [18:04] md5sum the iso, compare to the md5sum on the slackware ftp site [18:04] the iso could be bad [18:04] ok [18:04] is there a tool for windows [18:04] meth0xy: why to ask for help if you don't listen? [18:04] how would I know? :) [18:04] ol [18:04] ill google it [18:05] yep, that's how I would know [18:05] tarzxvf (n=pascal@189.4.119.116) joined ##slackware. [18:05] tarzxvf (n=pascal@189.4.119.116) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [18:06] notte a tutti [18:06] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [18:06] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-102-230.ip86.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "Leaving" [18:08] 80f76b54e308cb71c4a5d9279b0c1e9e *slackware-12.2-install-dvd.iso [18:08] sec [18:09] woot, slapt is grabbing the dependencies for all the happy little audio apps i like to use [18:09] 9e3bf90d03cd0b9a813567c361d727d3 slackware-12.2-install-dvd.iso [18:09] is correct [18:10] oh yeah [18:10] mines way off [18:10] :( [18:10] no wonder it wasnt working [18:10] DOH [18:11] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [18:11] the download wasnt even finished, sorry guys [18:11] i had only 3g of 4g .. im dum [18:11] ahhhhahaha [18:11] Action: slackytude slaps meth0xy [18:11] your domain name is dankchrinic.com, might be related to why you got confused? :) [18:11] er, chronic [18:12] Action: yosii gives slackytude a thwacker, to ease the burden on his slapping hand [18:12] kthx [18:12] yarvin (n=yarvin@137.229.131.34) joined ##slackware. [18:13] haha [18:13] yarvin the yartian [18:14] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [18:14] :) [18:14] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.232.10) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:15] FriedBob (n=Fried@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [18:16] 1st package broken by slacky's repo...kde [18:16] nobody understnads my desire to use slackware [18:16] I format my partition with cfdisk , when I use df -h It shows the size as 33 Gb and actually it's 60 Gb [18:16] they like weak distributions like arch or ubuntu [18:16] haha yeah? all my friends (non-linux users) are always trying to make me use ubuntu [18:17] someon was telling me ditch slack and get ubuntu no way man i been using slack since i was 15 years old [18:17] meth0xy, arch aint bad [18:17] nd im 26 now [18:17] not ubuntu, they said ditch slack for debian [18:17] what was the command to create a filesystem on a device ? [18:17] mkfs [18:17] I'm pretty new to slack, coming from debian [18:17] thanks nooper [18:18] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:19] Dude you cant go wrong with the church of subgenius [18:19] Eternal salvation or 3x your money back [18:19] haha [18:19] Camarade_Tux_ (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [18:19] man, #windows is full of linux users [18:20] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]" [18:20] I mean., whats the point [18:20] Bill Gates vs Linus Torvalds [18:20] cool, I've got my 60 Gb back :) [18:20] in a boxing match [18:20] slackytude: are they using windows as well, or just trolling? [18:21] just trolling right now [18:21] aaa , Windows it's not that bad, they have a lot of technology and contributed a lot (indirectly) to the growth of linux [18:21] yep [18:21] competition is good ... [18:21] great, now its windows in #slackware [18:21] Bill would bribe everyone involved, the fight would be fixed [18:21] I also like the educational resources that come with windows ... [18:21] Each OS has it's strengths and weaknesses and are suited to a specific purpose. That's why I use Slack, OS X and Windows. [18:21] lol FriedBob :) [18:21] Ilie, like what? [18:22] even Linus would take a dive for enough money (why not, he's not a pro boxer...) [18:22] like the cd's they give away with development tools, documentation etc. [18:23] eh, like all the free software and docs that come with the OS, on Linux? [18:23] uh oh, here we go [18:23] well [18:24] since M$ was funded purely by money and profit, their stuff is a bit more artsy [18:24] (MS probably doesn't give away their full-featured compiler, do they?) [18:24] like http://www.microsoft.com/education/teachers/default.aspx slackytude [18:24] they paid graphics developers [18:24] etc [18:24] :) [18:24] linux was made entirely on volunteer basis [18:24] billiam gates [18:24] no [18:24] greedy bastard [18:24] not entirely. There are people who work for red hat, suse, ibm, etc. who do get paid to work on Linux [18:25] lots of commercial interest in linux as well [18:25] see red hat [18:25] ibm [18:25] cisco [18:25] sun [18:25] oracle [18:25] novell [18:25] heh [18:25] noooo [18:25] :) [18:25] ubuntu ... [18:26] canonicall [18:26] they do nice artwork :)) [18:26] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [18:26] is ubuntu commercial? somehow I thought they were non-profit [18:26] nah [18:26] (or, are they trying and failing to make a profit?) [18:26] they want to make money one day [18:26] over 3 years or something like that [18:26] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-109.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Buh Bye. WAKKA WAKKA WHEE!!!" [18:27] so right now, they're doing what all startups do, burning through the venture capital? [18:27] http://www.canonical.com/services [18:27] Urchlay, yes, but the dude behind it has some money [18:27] ah, so it's not all shark-like VC types [18:27] good for them [18:28] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Shuttleworth [18:29] thats the dude [18:29] I mean I hate using ubuntu, but I do wish them well [18:29] :) [18:29] Shuttleworth founded Thawte in 1995 [18:29] mogunus (n=user@173.9.7.10) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:29] ah, so he's not poor [18:29] mogunus (n=user@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [18:29] you could say that [18:30] not yet :) [18:30] heh [18:30] linux on the desktop is dead ... at least they try to change that [18:30] flame me if you like, but I actually do recommend ubuntu to non-technical people who go "I hate windows, I want to try this linux thingy I keep hearing about" [18:30] maybe [18:30] I did that as well [18:31] ubuntu isnt really bad, I just dont like it that much [18:31] they might get big with them netbooks [18:31] windows 7 is coming out :) [18:31] so? [18:31] I used it for a while and then changed back to slackware [18:31] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:32] we have a win7 machine at work [18:32] so it will be very low on resources, and it has all kinds of nice features etc. [18:32] I never got into desktop-centric computing, my first 15 years of computer use was on machines that didn't even support a mouse [18:32] Ilie, two words: arm netobook [18:32] so to me, slackware + windowmaker + a bunch of xterms = heaven [18:32] but I wouldn't expect everyone to work that way [18:32] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:33] I love the cli too Urchlay , the problem is that I would like a few things to work "out of the box" ... [18:33] "netobook"... probably pronounced that way in Japan... or maybe "netobuku" :) [18:33] these days, its linux that works out of the box, more so than windows [18:33] imho [18:33] Urchlay, eh, didnt notice that [18:34] Ilie: well on my slack 12.2 laptop, every piece of hardware I've tried has worked "out of the box" except for a Wii remote (which requires extra software to do anything useful) [18:34] if you talk about the programs installed you're right, you can do more with linux, but when it comes to usability and simplicity ... [18:35] my definition of "works" might be different from yours: to me, a USB thumb drive "works" if I can plug it in and mount it manually with the mount command... [18:35] othermindszine (n=othermin@233.sub-70-192-49.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:35] Urchlay, well, graphical mount works out of the box to, since 10.2 or so [18:35] or was it 11.2 [18:36] yes Urchlay , I can mount it from the cli too, but It would be so much nice to "pop up" something ... [18:36] popups drive me absolutely insane [18:36] even useful ones [18:36] usability = you know what and how to use; usability != shaky windows [18:36] Ilie, Ive find slack to be more usable and simpler than win. [18:36] kanja (n=kanja@74.72.194.84) left ##slackware. [18:37] the Dali Lama just released a Tibetan distro :D [18:37] Pig_Pen: it's extra-stable because any time it dies, it reincarnates? [18:37] heh [18:37] lol! [18:38] :) [18:38] http://www.stallman.org/articles/yellow-hat.html also there is a slashdot artical [18:39] I really liked the way M$ did their marketing adds, saying : "more than ever you need a system that's simple, stable ... so you can take care of the things that really matter in life or something like that [18:39] computers should be simple to use ... [18:39] the ads they made in response to the mac ones? [18:40] yellow hat? there's also "yellow dog"... there ought to be an Eskimo distro called "Yellow Snow" [18:40] i would rather struggle with the most difficult *nix than use anything by microsoft [18:40] othermindszine (n=othermin@45.sub-70-192-218.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [18:40] I say them when I installed vista or something like that [18:40] erizoe (n=kambee@72.209.59.92) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:40] Urchlay, yellow snow? thats not good [18:40] the OS installer plays ads at you while it's installing, that's one of the many things I hate about MS [18:40] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: "link closed" [18:40] red hat used to do that too if you remember in the early days [18:41] (plus it's a waste of their effort: why show ads for the OS you've already bought and are in the middle of installing?) [18:41] Urchlay, vista allows you 30 without registeriation [18:41] 30 days [18:41] hm, I don't remember redhat 5.0, 5.2, or 6.0 doing that... got tired of messing with redhat sometime around 6.1 [18:41] easy - to keep you up... waiting 1h isn't that easy :) [18:41] but so - at least something is going on [18:42] dasm80x86 (n=dasm80x8@24.147.233.134) joined ##slackware. [18:42] I do remember some distro (turbolinux maybe) that let you play pac-man or tetris while the installer was running :) [18:42] nice [18:42] cool :) [18:42] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@89.180.60.166) joined ##slackware. [18:42] Urchlay: I started using linux with RH 7.3 and it showed ads then. [18:42] I guess, you could dothat with slack as well [18:42] firebird619: hm, so I was right to get away from redhat when I did [18:42] just change terminal and play [18:42] my first distro i ever used was redhat-7.1 by the time 7.3 come out on three CDs i considered it bloated and started distro hunting, found slackware and been a happy slacker ever since [18:43] Urchlay: :) yeah. [18:43] Action: Urchlay hates advertising of any kind and avoids it whenever possible [18:43] same here [18:43] nice Pig_Pen , I used a lot of distros too, but never felt the way I feel with slackware ... :) [18:43] don't tell me what to buy, I will tell you what I want when/if I want to buy somethiiing [18:44] (and right now it looks like I need to buy a new "i" key...) [18:44] :)) [18:44] all I'm saying is that it's wrong to be a "fan boy" and that it's better to be os - agnostic [18:44] slack seems to be built the most logically, simple and straight forward, nothing obfuscated [18:44] actually this keyboard's been great, considering it was left outside in the rain for 3+ years at a computer salvage/junkyard [18:45] there is actual rust on the circuit board :) [18:45] omg Urchlay :) [18:45] rust? or flux/slag from soldier [18:46] http://briancarper.net/screenshots/photos/customizer.png get one of these [18:46] 70 $ or something like that [18:46] you have a "review" on the site [18:46] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [18:47] hi everyone... how can i let normal user mount a usb drive (hald not running) [18:47] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:47] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:47] no, rust [18:47] from exposure to the elements [18:47] yosii (n=yosi@71.143.168.182) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:48] personally I really like the "comunity" of slacker ... I'm amazed how friendly can people be here [18:48] it's an IBM Model M, only it's the "space saver" version (no numeric keypad, so it's small) [18:48] found 10 of them in the remains of a cardboard box, after much cleaning and part-swapping, 6 worked perfectly. 3 of them were mine... [18:49] zoran119: use the users option in /etv/fstab [18:49] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:49] this one developed minor key-sticking issues last year when I spilled 8oz of coffee (with cream + sugar) in it [18:49] zoran119: err /etc/fstab [18:49] Urchlay: consider yourself lucky - my brand new dell laptop lost his keyboard from beer. [18:50] habtool (n=habtool@86-45-136-65-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:50] :) I bought a separated logitech keyboard for my laptop [18:50] Ilie: not really portable, isnt it? [18:50] Ilie: does that keyboard still have buckling springs? It *looks* like the real deal... [18:51] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.223.88) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:51] habtool (n=habtool@86-45-153-76-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [18:51] Greyhound_ (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [18:51] I don't know, I read his blog and remembered the article, "seeing" your taste for antique things, I thought you may like it :) [18:52] lol thumbs [18:52] yeah, found the review, he says it does have the springs. Nice. [18:52] and bought a 20" monitor to connect it to the laptop [18:52] Ilie: unless you buy one for home, and one for the office. [18:52] indeed thumbs :) [18:53] $70 is a bit steep, but might be worth it to get a brand-new one that hasn't been sitting around since the 80s/early 90s [18:53] tommcd (n=tom@c-68-63-85-178.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:53] search on ebay Urchlay , maybe you can find something more cheap [18:53] hba (n=hba@189.188.146.30) joined ##slackware. [18:54] get a GrandTec Virtually Indestructible keyboard, i bought one and love it! (reasonably priced) [18:54] well I have about 100 Model M keyboards of various varieties and vintages [18:54] there's one thing that I didn't understood .. how does slackware "apply" security updates ? [18:54] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89-181-111-209.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:54] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [18:54] upgradepkg [18:55] including the black ones with the trackpoint "mouse" in the middle, and a couple of huge ones with double rows of function keys [18:55] If I don't upgrade will my system be secure ? [18:55] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:55] Urchlay: If you want to art with any, let me give you my address.. i need some more. I only have 2 and both are damaged [18:55] any good documentation/articles are more than usefull [18:55] :) [18:55] watch the changelogs [18:55] Ilie: learn slackpkg [18:55] Ilie, slackpkg basically [18:55] thanks for the tips Pig_Pen [18:55] FriedBob: I may be ebaying some stuff soon, but if I do, I'll offer first pick to people in this IRC channel [18:56] (rather deal direct with people than go through ebay) [18:56] I really wonder how "secure" I'm right now using slackware and what happens if I don't apply the patches [18:56] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [18:56] ok,thanks for the tips [18:56] Urchlay: What general part of the world are you in? I'm currently in the NE US [18:56] Action: Ilie man slackpkg :) [18:56] southeast US... the boonies outside of Atlanta [18:57] Ilie: patch your system like a goodboy! [18:57] Sounds like a nice area. I miss the boonies. [18:57] hello FriedBob [18:57] <-- country boy stuck in the city [18:57] thumbs: Oi oi [18:57] pretty quiet here, but it'd suck to live here without a good car (3 miles to nearest store of any kind, 5 miles to nearest restaurant, etc) [18:58] i like where i live, just outside a little redneck hillbilly town in oklahoma [18:58] erizoe (n=kambee@ip72-209-59-92.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:58] and yeah, I know, the *real* boonies, it'd be 50 miles to the nearest store :) [18:59] (probly 20-30 years ago, this area was like that) [18:59] Pig_Pen: I have family in Ochelata. [18:59] i hear static crashes on my radio, time to check the local dopplar radar [18:59] uva (i=bno@118-160-163-66.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:59] Used to go out there every couple of months, when I lived in MO [19:00] yup, time to shut it off and disconnect the coaxial cable and ground it [19:00] i live in the southeast, just outside a smallish/medium sized town named Ada [19:01] in the name of Ada Lovelace? ;D [19:02] Pig_Pen: We drive past / through there on the way to Bartlesville / Ochelata, actually. [19:02] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:02] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:02] Ada Reed, the daughter of the town founder [19:03] uva (i=bno@118-160-167-200.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [19:03] not named after the programming language [19:03] nope [19:03] wouldn't surprise me if there was a tiny village in south georgia called "Cobol" though :) [19:04] :) [19:04] Anyone know of any good, free web application scanners? Like a F/LOSS version of Accunetix for example. [19:04] One that would be suitable for PCI scans. [19:04] web applications that scan? or applications that scan the web? or somethings that scan web applications? hrrrr [19:05] i been to the Atlanta area several times, a few times to pick up carpet and a few times to pick up frozen chicken [19:05] heh, I apparently have found a cracked copy of this accutenix thing on a warez site :) [19:06] A program that scans web applicaitons/sites for security flaws/vulnerabilities. [19:07] FriedBob: I don't know of anything like that, but I really should find out... [19:07] Pig_Pen: any time you're going to be near atlanta, let me know, we'll get a beer or something [19:08] We couldn't find anything either, so wound up having to buy Accunetix. [19:08] yuck [19:08] If we could find a viable free option, that'd save us some money in future years. [19:09] have you looked at stuff like nessus or satan? [19:09] http://sectools.org/web-scanners.html [19:09] jnz_ (n=jnz_@82.61.9.36) joined ##slackware. [19:09] hope this helps FriedBob [19:09] (no idea whether they do anything at that high a level, they're network scanning tools, not really for applications, but maybe...) [19:10] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:10] Urchlay: probably will never happen, i dont drive a long haul truck anymore [19:10] ah [19:10] Urchlay: Nessus and Satan don't meet PCI-DSS requirements. [19:11] FriedBob: eh, I don' even know what that means, but a lot of the time when there's some set of standards/requirements, you'll never find free/open software that's been certified to meet them [19:12] sorta like Linux has never been formally tested and certified as UNIX by whoever does that these days (used to be the X/open foundation IIRC) [19:12] Nikito / Wikito are two that we use for the server scans, which is half the scanning we have to do on our servers. [19:12] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:12] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [19:13] PCI-DSS is the Payment Card Industry - Data Security Standard [19:14] The web app scanner just has to be able to catch the something Top 10. I can't remember the name of it off hand though. [19:14] troopr (n=Unknown@210.211.128.119) left irc: "Leaving" [19:15] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-75-43-76-187.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] a lot of the time, standards like that are at least partly designed by the vendors that make the products that the standards are meant to apply to... at least a secondary goal of the standard's existence might be to lock out any new vendors [19:16] aye [19:16] but I may just be talking out of my ass again, I really don't know the details [19:16] Jean (n=jean@93-36-224-156.ip62.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [19:17] we have something like that in our little market [19:17] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:17] anybody running KDE? [19:17] someone who makes a product and is also responsible for creating the standard for it [19:17] Just wondering were I can get more Widgets [19:18] well, partly responsible [19:18] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [19:19] yes why [19:19] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-422709.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[19:23] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqomZQMZQCQ [19:23] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [19:23] except Ted Sturgeon, being the mild-mannered fellow he was, actually said "crud" instead of "crap" :) [19:23] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:24] ok what happens if I use the default .config from one kernel sources to compile another [19:24] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [19:24] paul424: you should run "make oldconfig" on it first [19:24] yep [19:24] paul424: possible compile errors. Better to copy the old .config in place and run either "make oldconfig" or "make menuconfig" first [19:24] i didn't get any [19:24] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:25] didn't get any errors? still doesn't mean there were no problems [19:25] paul424: you didn't get any what? [19:25] paul424, why do you want to compile a kernel? [19:25] it might work as expected, or it might not, there are no guarantees [19:25] any vompiler arrors [19:25] vompiler arros [19:25] I like that [19:25] make randconfig <-- Best. Kernerl. Option. Evah! [19:26] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:26] I run the makeconfig [19:26] FriedBob: Finnish roulette? [19:26] vompiler:) [19:26] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:26] just use menuconfig on a defconfig and add only what you need & want, but you better know exactly what you are doing or it will fail [19:26] Floops (n=baihu@ns1.floops.info) left irc: "changing servers" [19:26] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:26] paul424, hm, are you running huge? [19:27] yes [19:27] and now you want to recompile to get AGPART out of it? [19:27] right= [19:27] ? [19:28] with it .... [19:28] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:28] huh? [19:28] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: "leaving" [19:28] I am trying to install the ati catyyalyst drivers for a few days [19:28] I know [19:28] Action: Ilie off, going to sleep [19:28] have a nice evening/day [19:29] Ilie (n=slacker@92.81.188.9) left irc: "Leaving" [19:29] Action: slackytude is here _all_ _the_ _time_ [19:29] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:29] I don't know I have many conceptions on what could be wrong .... [19:30] paul424: the correct answer is, you should run the -generic kernel, not -huge [19:30] paul424, the point is, before you try to recompile the kernel, use generic [19:30] no need to recompile kernel [19:30] what do you mean use generic ? [19:31] (and no offense meant, but at your apparent experience level, I wouldn't recommend compiling kernels until you've learned a little more about what you're doing) [19:31] i concur with Urchlay [19:31] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-6c26d22f165c12d7) joined ##slackware. [19:31] yeah, altho he is learning fasr [19:31] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:32] maybe do a second install of slack in an extra disk partition for practiceing and experamenting and when your mods & tweaks are workable you can do them to your main working install [19:33] yosii (n=yosi@71.143.168.182) joined ##slackware. [19:34] paul424: edit /etc/lilo.conf and add an entry for /boot/vmlinuz-generic-smp-$version (whatever the file is called)... don't get rid of your old entry for vmlinuz yet, we want to make sure you can actually boot the -generic correctly first [19:35] you may (probably will) have to create an initrd for use with the generic kernel, "man mkinitrd" [19:35] I have the old kernel entry in lilo ...... [19:35] #nano /etc/lilo.conf [19:35] troopr (n=Unknown@210.211.128.119) joined ##slackware. [19:35] after you add the new entry run lilo [19:36] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:36] and check for an updated mkinitrd package on the ftp site, I seem to recall slackware 12.2's mkinitrd was slightly broken and had to be patched [19:36] almost got everything [19:36] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:36] but what is the generic kernel ............... it is the kernel which comes from scratch after installing the slack 12.0, right ? [19:36] now just going for libphat and specimin [19:36] specimen, even [19:36] and, of course, the game, einstein [19:37] paul424: depends. There are multiple kernels in the installer, and whichever one gets installed last, becomes the default (unless you change it later) [19:37] troopr (n=Unknown@210.211.128.119) left irc: Client Quit [19:37] unfortunately packages are installed in alphabetical order, and "kernel-huge" comes after "kernel-generic"... [19:37] ok but what do you mean by generic ? [19:38] -huge includes everything under the sun, built in to the kernel, so you can't unload drivers while it's running [19:38] -generic, almost everything is a module, so you can unload/reload drivers (sounds like you need to unload the agpgart driver, right?) [19:39] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-148.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:40] i_is_cat_ (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] Urchlay: no ... how did you think that ? [19:41] paul424, ls /boot/vmlinuz* [19:41] paul424: sorry, that's what I thought you said, above [19:41] paul424, you mentioned something like that [19:42] heep no I just wondered why I cannnot access this module via menuconfig [19:42] duh [19:44] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-54-247.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Connection timed out [19:44] MrJacks0n (i=Mr@173-86-54-247.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] paul424: start over: tell us what you are trying to accomplish, overall [19:48] I want to make the kde env work with catalyst drivers [19:48] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [19:49] ok. and so what steps have you taken so far? [19:49] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:50] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [19:50] ehem installed the ati catalyst drivers by creating own package .... [19:50] ...and, would anyone in the channel who actually has used the catalyst drivers, please speak up? [19:50] (I haven't, so I'm not really the best one to help this guy...) [19:50] what version of the drivers? [19:50] plus recompiled kernel by huge-spm [19:50] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:51] i've had no luck installing the any after version 8.8 [19:51] 8.9 kinda worked [19:51] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-6c26d22f165c12d7) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:51] then 9.x jsut fails it installs but when you try to startx the screen flashes white then black then the computer locks up [19:51] i use the catalyst drivers. whats the problem? [19:52] hmm the same problem I have [19:52] i mean i use 9.3 drivers [19:52] 8.12 is the last to work without recompiling the kernel on 12.2 [19:52] ok so do i [19:53] etg (n=rbw@adsl46-29.ath.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:53] is there a linux app that lets me resize video easily? [19:53] etg: meaning what, video files? (avi/mpeg/etc?) [19:53] there's transcode, but I wouldn't exactly call it "easy" [19:53] yes [19:53] etg i never done it but maybe avidemux works [19:53] I read that the kernel memory managment are very often incompatible with the model of the driver ......... [19:54] if you're specifically trying to resize a DVD-9 to fit on a standard 4.3G DVD, try "k9copy" [19:54] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:54] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-75-43-76-187.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [19:54] paul424 you can't use the driver at all or not 3d [19:54] k9copy really is easy to use BTW :) [19:55] avidemux is also easy [19:56] ok thanks .... [19:57] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-119-51.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:58] paul424 what problem did you run into (i only been here 9mins) [19:58] hey jsut curios are there really an improvements form the 8.8 drivers compared to the 9.3 drivers for ati? [19:59] What is the best office suite that works with MS office files? OpenOffice? [19:59] well compis works better and som bug fixes thats it [19:59] lf4 openoffice works well here [19:59] hmm after succesfully installing ... the kde crashes after several seconds and xfce crashes when I want to log off ... also i do this from startx didn't try the init 4 [19:59] lf4: that's probably a matter of opinion and debate... but openoffice does work pretty well [19:59] openoffice +1 [20:00] if you just need to view (not edit) ms office docs, you could search microsoft.com for "wordview" and "excelview" (free downloads), and run those in wine [20:00] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:00] but i also use staroffice it brings some improvements but not that much [20:00] Urchlay: Yeah thats why I asked to get opinions of what others use. I just need to make sure I can still do my school assignments. [20:00] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:00] 9e3bf90d03cd0b9a813567c361d727d3 *slackware-12.2-install-dvd.iso [20:00] for that i would use openoffice [20:01] Nick change: meth0xy -> methoxy [20:01] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Client Quit [20:01] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-69b63aaf02e1eaee) joined ##slackware. [20:01] mogra (n=chris@76.193.209.146) joined ##slackware. [20:02] Thank's I figured OO would be the best fit for my needs. [20:02] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:03] For some reason the sound in flash gets choppy after suspend [20:03] erizoe (n=kambee@ip72-209-59-92.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Success [20:03] heh, I've sent people plain text files renames to *.doc, when they insist on getting stuff in MS office format [20:03] superGear (n=superGea@97-118-37-182.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] well a bug in adobe flash that got to be the first :) [20:03] Word opens them just fine :) [20:04] formating is different, tho [20:04] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:04] might look funny [20:04] hmmm...adobe flash...need to get that... [20:04] DasFox (n=DasFox@udp116378uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [20:04] alkos333 is it only flash? [20:04] formatting was nonexistent, I pressed Enter at the end of each line and left a blank line between paragraphs, no problemo [20:05] just saying [20:05] wow [20:05] this was something exceptionally dumb, like a bill of sale or something [20:05] DasFox (n=DasFox@udp116378uds.hawaiiantel.net) left ##slackware ("Ping Timeout ( 0 Nano Seconds )"). [20:05] yosii http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/multimedia/flash-player-plugin/ [20:05] did you guys see the hawaiian [20:05] wtf [20:05] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-422709.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:05] Computer (n=turtle@unaffiliated/computer) joined ##slackware. [20:06] er, actually it was an invoice, I did some work for somebody and they needed an electronic invoice in "word" format [20:06] nope, but i watched Sin City today, cool movie [20:06] and I already had the check in hand before writing the invoice :) [20:06] nille_: already a step ahead of you [20:06] yarvin (n=yarvin@137.229.131.34) left ##slackware. [20:07] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:07] didn't feel like installing open/star/whatever office on my crappy little laptop right then [20:08] sin city, good movie... nobody's chin is that big though :) [20:08] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.166.143.86) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:08] the Goldie part? yeah, thats one of my favorite parts [20:09] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:09] nobody could survive the crap he went through [20:09] Jessica Alba FTW:) [20:09] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:10] i could not say no to any of those ladies [20:11] mogra (n=chris@76.193.209.146) left ##slackware. [20:12] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [20:15] jack + audaicity + ardour + rosegarden + zyn + hydrogen + specimen + 2 korgs FTW [20:17] O_o [20:17] 1+1 [20:17] Dumb-ass question here. [20:18] Computer (n=turtle@unaffiliated/computer) left irc: "Leaving" [20:18] Anyone know how to add a launcher for a single application to a panel in KDE 4. [20:18] ? [20:20] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:21] paul424 (i=0@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [20:22] cd [20:22] hey how do I check the installed packages by installpkg ? [20:22] heh [20:22] omg [20:22] /var/log/packages/ contains them [20:22] ok thanks [20:22] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:23] wasn't there gui tool somewhere? ;) [20:24] pkgtool [20:25] xterm -e ls /var/log/packages/ | less [20:25] pkgtool -> View [20:25] ;) GUI tool with tree on the left side kind of slackware packages, RPMs etc :-) [20:25] http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition=priondisease [20:25] Alan_Hicks it works as it did in kde3 [20:25] agris, yeah, there are some like these [20:25] no really? :D [20:26] nille_: You're talking to a long-time user of everything BUT KDE. :^) [20:26] MacLuvin (n=mac@c-3f71e455.95-1-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [20:26] I figured it out, eventually. [20:26] Sucks that there's no right-click -> Add Launcher or similar that I can find. [20:26] hey how long do you think an adata turbo class 6 8gb microsd card lasts [20:26] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:26] i keep dumping isos on it [20:26] MacLuvin (n=mac@c-3f71e455.95-1-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left ##slackware. [20:26] Right click on the K an choose menueditor [20:26] methoxy, wtf? [20:26] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [20:26] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) joined ##slackware. [20:27] through my cell phone [20:27] my touch pro has a microsd drive [20:27] Good diurnal anomaly, all. [20:27] Alan_Hicks did you find it ;) [20:27] How goes the battle? [20:27] so basically im trying to install slackware through the touch pro [20:27] nille_: Yeah. [20:27] by putting it on a microsd card [20:28] to my s10 lenovo ideapad netbook [20:28] cool [20:28] i finally have slack workable, WOOT [20:28] Now I gotta figure out how to disable this one-click to open thing in dolphin. :^) [20:29] Alan_Hicks: that's pretty simple [20:29] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.129.131) joined ##slackware. [20:30] Maybe so, but I'll be damned if I can find it. [20:31] methoxy, werent you trying to boot by usb? [20:32] ya im eating atm [20:32] dolphin ? [20:32] hey how should I remove the ati drivers [20:32] real slackware men dont eat or sleep [20:32] would be the removepkg (kernel module installed by the atipackage) would be enought ? [20:33] lns40: dolphin is the file manager in KDE4. [20:33] methoxy: I'll sleep when I'm dead [20:33] firebird619: aaah ok [20:33] anyone ? [20:33] paul424, how did you install them? [20:33] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:34] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:35] Phew! Finally KDE4 is half-way usable for me. :^) [20:35] haha it rocks but it takes some time to get used to [20:35] All you need is a good term [20:36] all you need is love [20:36] slackytude: called the --buildpkg option from the ati catalyst and then installpkg what came out ;) [20:36] new xfce looks better for me :) [20:36] paul424, then you can removepkg it [20:36] I like the compisoting window manager though. [20:37] ok [20:37] The screen edges/corners thing is highly useful on small screens. [20:37] probably need to edit xorg.conf as well [20:37] any way to get thunar to browse samba shares? [20:37] yosii, by mounting them [20:37] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:37] slackytude: was hoping not to have to mount them [20:37] yosii, I use smb4k for that, its nice and on sbo [20:37] I think there's a thunar plugin for smb. [20:38] Alan_Hicks, O_o [20:38] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] thunar-shares-plugin. [20:38] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/thunar-shares/ [20:38] firebird619: let me guess, a slackbuild [20:38] woha [20:39] Alan_Hicks: i figured... [20:39] kthx [20:39] You need it, SBo's got it (or can get it). [20:39] Alan_Hicks: and what it doesn't have, you can usually src2pkg [20:39] Alan_Hicks: How about a phone jre emulator? haha [20:40] Alan_Hicks: how about the linuxant driver? [20:40] yosii: is apache-ant close enough? :^) [20:40] Alan_Hicks: not really [20:40] Alan_Hicks: i need a modem driver, damnit [20:41] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-69b63aaf02e1eaee) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:41] hey if I install the driver on one kernel will it work on the other kernels avaliable from lilo ? [20:41] paul424: yes and no [20:41] paul424: that depends, were all kernels built from one source, using one module directory? [20:41] The best answer is "no". Someties you can get them to work, but don't count on it. [20:42] i'm tempted to grab the warez linuxant, $20 for a linux modem driver? gtfo [20:42] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-6826ef2853d4d07e) joined ##slackware. [20:42] yosii no [20:43] yosii: Best solution is to buy a $20 hardware modem. [20:43] paul424: then the answer is "no" [20:43] Pop it down on ttyS0 and go to town. [20:43] Alan_Hicks: they have usb hardware modems for $20 now? [20:43] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] USB? Why USB? [20:43] Alan_Hicks: i don't have a ttyS0 [20:43] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:43] You can get a USB-RS232 connector for like, $5. [20:43] Heya,folks..How's everyone? [20:44] Hey MLanden. I'm great. How are you? [20:44] Hi all [20:44] ganeshix: Hello. How are you? [20:44] Alan_Hicks: would both those devices have 240v compatible power supplies? [20:45] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:45] Good to hear. I'm fine,thanks firebird619 [20:45] The USB-RS232 connector doesn't need any power supply [20:45] yosii: The adapter doesn't need external power. [20:45] Alan_Hicks: ok, that's a good start [20:45] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:45] Alan_Hicks: what of the modem? [20:45] firebird619, My linux passion fluctuates, sometimes I spend a lot of time with slack... other times.... you know... [20:45] USB RS232 adaptors suck pretty badly in my experience [20:45] And if you buy your modem wherever you are (Europe?) I'm sure it'll work in your power jacks. [20:45] Alan_Hicks: middle east [20:46] Urchlay: I used to have lots of trouble with them, but I haven't had any problems in years now. [20:46] uh, the thunar shares plugin doesnt look like it allows for browsing smb shares [20:46] just creating them [20:46] slackytude: ick [20:46] yosii: just steal teh driver... naah I'm just kidding :) [20:46] ok thanks [20:46] paul424 (i=0@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "BitchX Official Forums Site -- http://forums.bitchx.org/" [20:47] Alan_Hicks: they suck for my specific applications: running serial console with old DEC/HP/Wyse terminals, and emulating an Atari 800 disk drive (works perfectly with a real 16550A, poorly to not at all with USB) [20:47] Alan_Hicks, still good [20:47] lns40: it isn't as if my government would care [20:47] yosii: hehe [20:47] Urchlay: Never done any of those, but I use mine exclusively for connecting to serial terminals. Cisco routers, Slackware servers, etc. [20:48] I'm having a lil problem with a samba share. Two of my computers run Slack 12.1 [20:48] Alan_Hicks: works ok with soekris ? [20:48] the disk-drive-emulation is highly timing dependent, which is why doesn't doesn't work well on USB [20:48] yosii can't you get the linuxtant driver to work? i used the HSF before [20:48] lns40: Not attempted that. [20:48] so, Im back with my suggestion [20:49] use smb4k [20:49] Alan_Hicks: ok... maybe I'll try one day :) [20:49] at least one USB serial adaptor I tried, has no way to send the line break signal (meaning I couldn't use with minicom on Linux to drop to the PROM monitor on my old sparcstations...) [20:49] theoden (one slack box) has a samba share used by all computers in my office, but gimli (the other slack box) cannot write to that share... [20:49] nille_: of course i can get the hsf driver to work, but i'd rather have v.34 instead of v.32(the speed difference is signifigant) [20:49] lns40: I use it a lot. I build lots of headless servers, and it's just easiest to carry my laptop and the adapter rather than find a keyboard and a monitor somewhere. [20:49] i'll paste part of the smb.conf on theoden... [20:50] eh, lord of the ring hostnames [20:50] Urchlay: Wow that sucks. [20:50] ganeshix, error logs [20:50] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:50] slackboy, from the client, you mean? [20:50] Alan_Hicks: another one I tried, worked OK at 9600 baud, but no hardware handshaking and I couldn't change the baud rate (this may have been a Linux driver issue, not the hardware's fault) [20:51] ganeshix, from theoden [20:51] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:51] maybe it's just me, I have rotten luck... [20:51] ganeshix, see if there is a connection attempt [20:51] jnz_ (n=jnz_@82.61.9.36) left irc: "ciao!" [20:51] Urchlay: 9600 baud or 9.6kbps? [20:51] Urchlay: 9600 baud USUALLY means 14.4 k [20:51] ganeshix: If gimli can't write to that share, it's almost certainly a permissions issue. Does gimli log onto that share as a different user or something? [20:52] yosii: "9600bps" to be anally accurate... not 14.4K (there was no modem involved, and IIRC the dumb terminal I was using didn't even support anything between 9600 and 19200) [20:52] Actually, gimli can mount the share, and see it, but it cannot write... [20:52] baobao (i=baobao@124.90.50.232) joined ##slackware. [20:53] Urchlay: i can be anal on certain things, pardon my eccentrics [20:53] I'm mounting a share manually, trying to reproduce the error. I'll show you the smb.conf on theoden [20:53] ganeshix, yeah, so check the logs on theoden and check permissions [20:53] here: http://pastebin.com/m4b71ea0e [20:53] yosii: no problem. You're actually correct, one baud isn't one bit for anything over what, 300 baud or maybe 1200? :) [20:53] _ohm (n=mark@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [20:54] slackytude, you mean: /var/log/messages ? [20:54] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-148.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Internet broke. being right bach." [20:54] 300 baud i think is where it cuts off [20:54] man [20:54] is there webkit based browser in slackware [20:54] im slacking right now literaly [20:55] alright cool i finished the ISO [20:55] ganeshix, /var/log/samba [20:55] ganeshix, there should be a file with gimli in the name [20:55] slackboy, tnx. I'll see now... [20:55] I think samba default is to log per host [20:55] yosii: not long ago I tried running a shell at 300 baud (was having issues at higher rates, turned out to be a crappy cable) [20:55] I think samba default is to logfile per host [20:56] you don't want to use bash's tab completion at 300 baud [20:56] heh [20:57] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:57] etg (n=rbw@adsl46-29.ath.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [20:57] anyway I'm outta here for a bit. Gotta leave now if I plan to leave at all... later [20:57] Urchlay: i don't think you'd want to [20:57] Urchlay: take care [20:57] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:57] adios [20:57] i'll go get drunk and record sometime later [20:57] if you do, I want to hear the results [20:57] Urchlay, see ya [20:58] Urchlay: well, i have 3 songs that are waiting for vocals [20:58] (am going to a drummer's house to play my bass for a few hours... might be drunk by the end of it) [20:58] Urchlay: that's why i was cheering about all those programs working correctly [20:58] Urchlay: i put together music through a sequencer and synth patches [20:58] Urchlay: then eventually add voice to it [20:59] speaking of which, (looks for creox) [20:59] yosii: have you talked to whoever was working on a "slackware studio" distro or package? firebird619 was one of them, I forget who the other guy is (maybe you?) [20:59] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-233.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:59] baobao: you could try skipstone kasehasake or midori [20:59] Urchlay: Me, dtanner and eviljames. [20:59] Urchlay: i wasn't working on it [21:00] and j14159 [21:00] Urchlay: i just got the packages i need independently [21:00] well, you guys probably can find something to talk about anyway [21:00] firebird619, meet yosii. yosii, say hi to firebird619 :) [21:01] Hello yosii. :) [21:01] firebird619: hi [21:01] speaking of which, do you know of a creox slackbuild? [21:01] I'm about out of here except I can't get the lazy dog out from under my bed (he's a black lab mix, weighs 65lbs, and steadfastly refuses to budge) [21:01] Well also have our own channel #studios. Nobody seems to be around today thogh. [21:01] i have a binary for libphat and specimen to contribute [21:01] s/well/we [21:02] screwwit, he won't hurt anything if I leave him under there, with the room door open [21:02] buh-bye, for real this time :) [21:02] yosii: No creox slackbuild that I know of, I tried building it, but it errored out. [21:02] firebird619: i'll be happy to test anything, and would contribute as i can [21:02] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:03] let's take this over to studios and see what we can see [21:03] slackytude, I'm looking at the logs [21:03] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:03] yosii: The things that aren't on slackbuilds.org, we are building and making slackbuilds for. [21:03] netsh int ip reset intlog.txt [21:03] funky command that [21:04] ok...specimen, a free midi-controlled sequencer, is great for live work, i got one of the guys who works on the slamd project to generate a slackbuild for it [21:04] well, for the libphat that it requires [21:04] ganeshix, could you post them somewhere? the gimlet one [21:04] and i src2pkg'd specimen itself [21:05] slackytude, I'll do that... tnx [21:05] yosii: Also see the topic in #studios for the guide we are making. It changes periodically. [21:05] as we add things. [21:05] firebird619: again, if i can contribute, i'd be happy to [21:06] firebird619: and that includes testing [21:06] nifty project [21:07] yosii: testing is good. As far as contributions, when someone is around in #studios, you can send one of us slackbuilds you made, etc. of things you may have, make suggestions. We'll test the slackbuilds and possible use them if they test out ok and so forth. [21:07] slackytude: Hey, how's your day going? [21:08] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [21:08] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:08] firebird619: i've found bristol inherently unstable...have you had any luck with amsynth? [21:08] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [21:08] firebird619, ok, still alive [21:08] firebird619, you? [21:09] I need to get some RL stuff done, tho [21:09] yosii: I believe j14159 made a slackbuild for bristol, I haven't tried it out much. I hadn't heard of or tried amsynth. Have you? [21:09] slackytude: doing great, thank you. [21:09] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:09] procrastination and all that [21:09] firebird619: it works until it segfaults...used to be a really good synth app [21:09] bristol that is? [21:09] firebird619: bristol segfaults faster than amsynth [21:10] firebird619: bristol attempts to emulate legacy circuits...amsynth doesn't emulate anything, but works similarly to a polyphonic voyager [21:10] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:11] Hmm, I believe j14159 has more experience with bristol than I do, I'll have to talk to him about it. This StudioS project is still quite new, we are still in the process of building things, seeing what's stable, etc. [21:11] I'm a little confused. There are many log files on /var/log/ [21:11] There are three files under /var/log/samba/ [21:11] firebird619: well, one thing that would be nice would be a RT kernel [21:11] None of them has much information... [21:12] most guys who actually do sound work do NOT want to patch a kernel and recompile [21:12] ganeshix: what are you looking for, exactly? [21:12] maybe we should carry this discussion over to the StudioS channel? [21:12] yosii: Yes, I am on an rt kernel, I believe eviljames is as well, as is j14159, dtanner is waiting on getting a monitor for his machine to start building. [21:12] thumbs, A report of what my client (gimli) cannot write to the samba share on the samba server (theoden) [21:13] I meant why it can't write [21:13] yosii: One app, iirc muse, requires a low latency or rt kernel. [21:13] firebird619: it's jack.... [21:13] _S4MUR4I_ (n=Chatzill@189.81.29.251) joined ##slackware. [21:13] yes, jack also, but there's something else that does also. I'd have to look at the guide to be sure. [21:14] firebird619: rosegarden likes realtime [21:14] firebird619: as does ardour [21:14] firebird619: i never heard muse complain much [21:14] _S4MUR4I_ (n=Chatzill@189.81.29.251) left ##slackware. [21:14] yosii: Yeah, most audio apps like realtime, therefore it's a good idea to have it. [21:14] yosii: Ok, I checked the guide, it's muse that needs a low-latency or rt kernel. [21:14] if i can keep my latency under 50ms, i'm usually good [21:15] then again, i log into fvwm when i'm doing music work [21:15] one terminal, and no more gui than the particular apps require [21:16] yosii: I use xfce myself now, was on kde for a while. [21:16] firebird619: well, i use xfce when i'm not doing audio production [21:16] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:16] yosii: ever used lmms, that is also a nice app. [21:17] firebird619: but fvwm is extremely lightweight when you have soem cheap hardware [21:17] never used it [21:17] will though [21:17] yosii: It's in our guide, you should check it out sometime. It's quite a nice app. [21:17] yosii: It's on SBo. [21:18] I'd suggest you guys get a site easily accessible(as in a subdomain) when you get it going [21:18] yosii: a web site, etc. is already in the works. [21:19] are you planning on this being an additional set of packages or a full distro respin? [21:19] yosii: right now it's starting as this guide, with ambitions for it to become a package set, and possible an iso. [21:19] i've seen both in practice for different distros [21:19] firebird619: i think i could help with that if you want the help [21:20] Now I see where the samba logs are: /var/log/samba.%m ...... a separate machine it connects... [21:21] yosii: That would be cool. Just hang out in #studios and when the other guys are around, we can see what you have for stuff, etc. and go from there. [21:21] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:23] yosii: If you have a chance too, see what we have in the guide. Are there any apps you've used and liked that you think add to audio production, feel free to mention them in #studios. We're open to suggestions for apps, we also have quite a few already. The goal also is to not duplicate a ton of stuff. [21:24] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:24] so the kernel is usbboot.img [21:24] whats the initrd [21:25] is there download accelerator? dl from multiple sources spontaneously [21:26] paul424 (n=chatzill@156.17.165.242) joined ##slackware. [21:26] baobao: axel is one, I belive there are other's also. http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/axel/ [21:26] I installed the catalyst 8.12 drivers and it still crashes [21:26] s/other's/others/ [21:26] does anyone use the ati catalyst drivers ? [21:29] http://tinyurl.com/c9mldx , udev privilege escalation. [21:30] Fried_Bob (n=Fried@c-98-233-149-9.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] FriedBob (n=Fried@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Nick collision from services. [21:31] take care,folks....bbiab [21:31] Nick change: Fried_Bob -> FriedBob [21:31] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [21:33] who here has a large /lastlog [21:33] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:33] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:33] can someone check for 'initrd' [21:34] download accelerator is such as misleading name, they can not improve bandwidth, they should be called "download agregators" as they just agregate multiple downloads in to a single file [21:34] okay [21:34] what is the slackware usbboot install initrd [21:34] Rufus (n=nathan@NTL208H101-102-60.nt.net) joined ##slackware. [21:34] methoxy, what you need that for [21:34] Pig_Pen: Agreed, I've used them in the past, and don't notice much difference at all. [21:35] you may (probably will) have to create an initrd for use with the generic kernel, "man mkinitrd" [21:35] and check for an updated mkinitrd package on the ftp site, I seem to recall slackware 12.2's mkinitrd was slightly broken and had to be patched [21:35] is there really such thing as yellow hat linux? [21:35] so whats new with slackware lads? [21:35] been a while [21:36] paul424 (n=chatzill@156.17.165.242) left irc: Client Quit [21:36] yellodog I dont know about yellow hat [21:36] OH! I am currently in college and suggested that my teacher teach linux using slackware [21:36] and he did [21:36] Rufus: Slackware is still the best [21:36] is wicked! [21:36] hellz yeah [21:36] Still a mistery why my client can't write to the samba share... [21:36] my network here at home is Solaris + Slackware [21:37] the two work together GREAT! [21:37] opensolaris? [21:37] hows that going for you? [21:37] ganeshix, logs? [21:37] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:37] Solaris 10 + Solaris Nevada + slackware [21:37] nevada should get solar panels [21:37] and ipcop [21:38] lots of sun in the desert [21:38] yeaps [21:38] molten salt power generators [21:38] what is the initrd for slackware 12.2 usbboot.img [21:39] trivia time [21:39] if you dont know this you aren't a real slackware man [21:39] to the bone [21:39] *BuRP* [21:40] methoxy, what you need that for [21:40] omg [21:40] methoxy: people's knowledge is based on their experience, i bet there are maybe a dozen or two at most that decided to put slack on a netbook at most in the entire world [21:40] ouch [21:40] i tried [21:40] my lenovo did not like it [21:40] i did, it's working ok :P [21:40] initrd.img [21:41] oh i beat yuou all [21:41] i am a TRUE slackware linux man [21:41] to the teeth [21:41] wtf is initrd.img? where did you see it's asking... dooh [21:41] *asked [21:41] initrd.img as an argument for unetbootin [21:41] methoxy: riight [21:41] what argument? [21:41] :D [21:41] methoxy: personally i hate initrd.img and build my kernels in such as way that they wont require them [21:41] methoxy, just leave that blank [21:42] really [21:42] methoxy, only usbboot.img [21:42] there's two of them. usbboot.img as iso and drive where usb pen is [21:42] no initrd? [21:42] methoxy, like you were told [21:42] ok [21:42] Jean (n=jean@93-36-224-156.ip62.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "leaving" [21:42] any options [21:42] methoxy, you ask but dont read the answers [21:42] i figured it out slacky i swear [21:42] methoxy: how many times you must be told to get it? :P no offence [21:42] i know but im in stupid mirc right now [21:42] it doesnt have /last [21:42] its dumbening me [21:42] like an alligator radio = all mouth and no ears [21:43] heh, some dude in #windows wants to convert me [21:43] i didnt take notes [21:43] im a slacker [21:43] anywho, I hope this conversation helped to open you rmind, even if it's just planting the seed. don't let the OSS community brainwash you. seriously. judge for yourself, and arm yourself with the knowledge, the tools, and the facts. ;) I'ma go watch some TV now. tired of studying [21:43] thats why im loading slackware [21:43] cuz i slack [21:43] I mean, nice dude and all and he knows his stuff, but really [21:44] methoxy: YOU SLACKER! [21:44] :) [21:44] lol [21:45] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:50] anyone using vlc 0.9.9 from alienbob's page on slackware 12.2 ? [21:52] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:53] habaneros (n=habanero@222.206.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:55] srn9 (n=bones@24-113-45-244.wavecable.com) joined ##slackware. [21:56] srn9 (n=bones@24-113-45-244.wavecable.com) left ##slackware. [21:58] so hey should i use alienbob's slackware 11 initrd for the usb key, or the one included in the usb pxe boot folder [21:58] for slackware 12 [21:59] methoxy, ? [21:59] srn9 (n=bones@24-113-45-244.wavecable.com) joined ##slackware. [21:59] srn9 (n=bones@24-113-45-244.wavecable.com) left ##slackware. [21:59] methoxy, are you seriously asking for an initrd again? [22:00] slackytude: it appears that way. :) [22:00] methoxy: have you tried slax? they have a USB thumbdrive distro, maybe it will give you some perspective for installing slackware on your netbook [22:00] whats wrong with http://www.slackware.com/~alien/tools/usbinstall/ ? [22:01] it has 12.x versions anyway [22:02] capone, thats how to build the image [22:02] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:02] Action: Gatto re [22:02] capone, you can just download the final img and dd it [22:02] Whats wrong with the boot CD/DVD for installing slackware? [22:02] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:02] capone, methoxy is trying that for several hours now [22:02] well this one lets you use usb key for packages aswell [22:03] lol! i would have sold that netbook on craigslist by now and found a used thinkpad by now [22:03] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:03] lol [22:03] lol [22:03] capone, nice to know [22:04] hey, anyone using vlc from alienbob? [22:05] someone with leet slack powers should tackle the netbook problem (unless methoxy is suffering from pebkac) and it can be done by just jumping through a few hoops [22:05] Pig_Pen: he's not listening [22:05] Pig_Pen, its a layer 8 problem [22:05] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [22:05] haha [22:05] a little of both [22:06] or a lot of both [22:06] Haha slackytude layer 8 problems are the most difficult no simple rebooting for them. [22:06] aye -_ [22:06] aye -_- [22:07] Whats the issue methoxy is trying to get past? [22:07] they will install but getting it to boot is the problem? what about using the CD to boot the installed system then making a custom initrd.img that gets usb bootable from lilo or building a capable custom kernel [22:08] lf4, trying to boot slack installer from usb [22:08] i been there, usually when i get new hardware i do some struggling and juggleing until iwork the bugs out [22:09] Why from USB instead of CD/DVD? [22:09] netbook [22:09] will it take some editing of rc.S because something needs to load earlier? [22:09] no cd / floppy [22:09] ahh ok [22:09] hmm, what about usb-cd enclosure ?! [22:09] nope kernel atribute [22:09] oh yeah! duh is me [22:09] at least for me it was [22:10] Id probably go the PXE route if I had to do it [22:10] Thats what i was just about to say PXE might be the best way. [22:10] now i never had to do the usb key install thing, but once a system is installed via that method on a netbook is it bootable from lilo? [22:10] but it looks simple enough. dd usbimg on stick. [22:10] Pig_Pen, sure [22:10] yes [22:11] its a one-liner [22:11] to get usb stick [22:11] well, two, if you have to download usb image first [22:11] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [22:11] ok, making the bootable slackware installer usb stick thingy looks easy enough, [22:11] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:11] its piece of cake [22:12] Pig_Pen, yes, it should be. and if it doesnt work, use pxr [22:12] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:12] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.47.106) joined ##slackware. [22:12] s/pxr/pxe [22:12] aye [22:13] juhl (n=juhl@unaffiliated/juhl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:13] _ohm (n=mark@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:14] bah! soulds like a pebkac issue, if methoxy really really wants slackware on that netbook he will, but he must follow the directions because theres no other way [22:14] Pig_Pen, yeah [22:14] ne1 have a keygen and nocd crack for slackware 12? [22:14] int203: shush [22:14] like following any recipe, you can cheat on the ingredients [22:14] :( [22:14] int203, let me dcc you one [22:14] kthnx [22:15] lol [22:15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExFAT [22:15] new fat? [22:16] oh, bx user, too. [22:16] int203: ssshhh! if the intertube police finds out you are pirating slackware they will hang you by your neck :D [22:16] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:17] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:17] Pig_Pen: hey we all need a free thing once in awhile :) [22:17] oops. that was meant to say "you can NOT cheat onthe ingredients" [22:17] jeez [22:17] I'm out [22:17] later hitest [22:17] laws are meant to be broken [22:18] no beerz [22:18] if you break them you might get hurt I prefer bending to extremes [22:18] heck, this is saturday, i always catch a buzzzzz on sat night [22:18] yah [22:18] good buzz tonight [22:19] and i am toasty :D [22:19] :-) [22:19] me too [22:20] i bought 3 dollars worth of lottery ticket today while i was out running errands, i might be a millionaire at the top of the hour [22:20] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:20] Pig_Pen, got spare change? [22:20] Pig_Pen: Good Luck. :) [22:21] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:21] if i win i am installing a built in indoor swimming pool in the backyard with a jacuzzi and sauna and weight room for excersize [22:21] heh [22:22] you could also buy a pig and call it breakfest [22:22] and i will quit my crappy dead end job [22:23] Oooh Lenovo IdeaPad S10 freak now I have to decide... Macbook or Netbook lol [22:23] Pig_Pen: What is your job? [22:23] netbook! [22:23] man this is so hard [22:23] Pig_Pen: I got some lottery tickets today too......I might just be a rich SOB right now:) [22:23] i cant get slackware on my netbook [22:24] =( [22:24] im trying 1 more time [22:24] methoxy: What type of netbook do you have? [22:24] lenovo s10 [22:24] methoxy, maybe you need a initrd? [22:24] i do finish/trim carpentry in a large apartment complex, it will be finished in another 90 days or so [22:24] you can either specify custom or diskimage mode [22:25] www.dankchronic.com/pics/unetbootin.jpg [22:25] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.30.225) joined ##slackware. [22:25] baseboards, interier doors & trim, closet shelves & closet doors, interier hardware [22:25] methoxy: Well maybe soon enough I will have one to mess around with I know XP Home is not going to stay on it longer then it takes to boot and install Slackware haha. [22:25] if i click custom it wont copy the files [22:25] its a pain to get slack on it [22:25] everything about it is a pain [22:25] the one key breaks [22:25] if you edit your partition, leaving you with no replacement winxp [22:25] Action: lf4 likes challenges. :) [22:25] lenovo wont give me a recovery cd [22:26] by june we got to be out of there and i will have to find more work [22:26] they only let you send it in for 'reimaging' [22:26] Oh I dont care I have enough copies of XP if I want to install it again I can. [22:26] yeah i put xp pro on it instead of xp home ulcpc [22:26] That stinks Pig_Pen. [22:26] i had to [22:26] anyways i got 35 gb for slack [22:27] thats the nature of construction, once the job if finished its time to find another job [22:27] do i use isolinux initrd.img? [22:27] isolinux\initrd.img [22:27] yeah huh [22:28] methoxy: PM? [22:29] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [22:29] Darn I just spent $400 on my camera setup other wise I could have gotten the netbook ordered right now. [22:29] do i have to edit syslinux.cfg [22:29] i am in good standing with the contractors in this part of the state so i have good luck finding work most of the time (when work is available) [22:30] That is always good to know about your job. :) [22:31] heck yeah my wife would have me living in the doghouse if i was a deabeat [22:31] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:31] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:31] ok wow 24 mins to copy all of slack to this class 6 microsdhc card [22:31] glad i'm not married then :) haha I'm trying to decide which job offer to take. [22:32] methoxy: What color did you get? [22:32] they have 16gb microsdhc now [22:32] actually [22:32] they have 32gb also [22:32] thirty two gigs on a tiny chip the size of a dime! [22:33] isnt that nuts? [22:33] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:33] what will they think of next [22:33] someday you will bump in to some female that will rock your world and she will have that sparkle in her eye and that will all change lf4 [22:33] yeah im hoping that happens mysefl [22:33] i had a really hot girlfriend but lost her [22:33] Pig_Pen: Haha the problem is I think I met her lol [22:33] have you looked under the sofa? [22:34] haha [22:34] lol! [22:34] they will probaly have 64GB microsdhc [22:34] Center folds? [22:34] but it might be slow [22:34] methoxy: if she popped you can always use duct tape to patch the hole ;) make sure its the right one though. [22:34] popped? [22:34] a kid? [22:34] SDXC [22:34] Yarvin (n=Yarvin@247-121-74-65.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [22:34] http://mobile.amirw.net/2009/02/25/will-we-ever-see-a-64gb-micro-sdhc-card-sdxc/ [22:35] 64gigs on a tiny chip [22:35] thats insane [22:36] j0z (n=JESUS@189.73.29.204) joined ##slackware. [22:36] my digital camera can hold 171 very large photos (jpg) thats gotta be 50 megs i guess [22:36] and that memory chip cant be bigger than your thumbnail [22:36] What camera is that? [22:36] rahul (n=rahul@117.195.196.29) joined ##slackware. [22:37] some cheap kodak easyshare [22:37] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:37] I can hold 700+ images at 2048x [22:37] :) [22:37] 283 photos on my Nikon point an shoot [22:38] 700 is too much [22:38] Convert Youtube videos to mp33 http://techbuddha.blog.co.in/2009/04/18/convert-youtube-videos-to-mp3/ [22:38] it takes forever to download. [22:38] photography can be a an expensive hobby, there are some high dollar cameras [22:38] yah [22:38] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@69.204.70.243) joined ##slackware. [22:38] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [22:38] lenses too [22:38] hello all [22:38] 1792 images at 3,648 x 2,736 [22:38] telescopic [22:38] lf4: holy. [22:38] heya,Old_Fogie [22:38] my Nikon isn't high-end [22:38] hey Old_Fogie [22:38] Hi Old_Fogie. How are you? [22:39] :):) [22:39] hi Old_Fogie:) [22:39] Canon SX10is with two 8GB SDHC cards. [22:39] Hey Old_Fogie [22:39] lf4: cheater! [22:39] Test your web site with different IE versions with a single tool http://techbuddha.blog.co.in/2009/04/19/test-your-web-site-with-different-ie-versions-with-a-single-tool/ [22:39] I got a nikon d50, it was at the low end of their dslr line at the time, but it has a lot of nice features [22:39] lf4: I have 2 8GB cards too. :) [22:40] my camera just died, gotta get a new one [22:40] I've gotta a cheap 512 MB SD card for my Nikon [22:40] I liked it too [22:40] twolf: nice I was looking at getting the D90 but its was :( a little to much $$$ [22:40] nice firebird619 :) [22:40] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:40] nope, mine holds 128 megs [22:41] lf4: My camera's 10 MP and holds somewhere over 1,000 images on one 8 GB card. [22:41] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-6826ef2853d4d07e) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:41] I got several 2GB sd cards, my camera came out before sdhc so it can't use the larger cards and nikon hasn't put out a firmware update [22:41] rahul (n=rahul@117.195.196.29) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:41] firebird619: Yeah that is about right the SX10is is a 10MP and gets 1792 on highest quality. [22:41] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:41] Yarvin (n=Yarvin@247-121-74-65.gci.net) left ##slackware. [22:42] lf4: I'm just thankful my camera supports 8 GB, alot only support 4 GB. [22:42] wow, just to get an idea of the high end cameras with telephoto i just searched google shopping & selected the high prices and those things are expensive! [22:42] bird (n=lee@96.240.45.172) joined ##slackware. [22:42] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-c1ec4b5a7ee9307a) joined ##slackware. [22:43] Pig_Pen, you ain't kidding [22:43] Really? I never thought about that... how the camera could be limited the problem with this one is it sees my 8GB as 7.5 ;) [22:43] Pig_Pen: indeed [22:43] my card is only 2GB [22:43] My camera was only 2.5 mp , and I like it, I can only imagine having a 10 mp, wowzers [22:43] makes those icom and yaseu hf transeiver i drool over look cheap [22:43] once I got the nikor 18-200mm lense I haven't used much else, great all purpose lense [22:44] I've owned 4 canon cameras in the past 3 years. [22:44] Old_Fogie: It's nice, mine was a Christmas gift from my aunt and uncle. I love photography. [22:45] firebird619, very nice of them. are they looking to adopt? I'm house broken (mostly) :) [22:45] 2.5MP? bah. you know what i recently dug out at work? 1.5MP camera, with an original price tag of $8500 [22:45] Anyone know of a decent mobile IRC client? Specifically, for Blackberry? [22:45] Old_Fogie: haha, I'm not sure. :) [22:45] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-75-43-76-187.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] Heya Old_Fogie [22:46] ananke: lol [22:46] ananke: lol wow [22:46] here are the specs: http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/cameras/dcs420/dcs420.jhtml [22:46] FriedBob: screen irssi at home, and ssh to your box from the bb [22:46] Action: nachox will be buying a 10.1 mp camera in 15 days [22:46] My 286 computer cost 2,700 back in 1987. [22:46] lol, whats up with these bots lately coming in here spitting out ad links? [22:47] FriedBob, :) [22:47] this is a real SLR with a huge kit add-on to make it digital [22:47] lol [22:47] ananke: looks like a sweet camera [22:47] I remember those cameras [22:47] thumbs: If I hadn't have to consolidate. But I do have that shell... SO now to find SSH client for mah bold... [22:47] ananke, the dsc420? [22:47] it has an scsi interface, impressive :) [22:47] nachox : yep [22:48] nachox: What camera are you looking at getting? [22:48] yes. and a pcmcia slot. i actually have a 1GB pcmcia hard drive [real moving parts] [22:48] lumix FZ-28 [22:50] the DMC-FZ28? [22:51] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.30.225) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:51] yarvin (n=yarvin@247-121-74-65.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [22:51] yes [22:51] it is a good time to be into photography, there is some really nice stuff available [22:51] indeed [22:51] Looks like a good one :) [22:52] ananke has a canon that is really nice too [22:52] yep. just got it a few weeks ago, canon sx10 [22:52] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.30.225) joined ##slackware. [22:52] ananke: I just got that one this week :) [22:52] ananke: How's that 20x zoom? :) [22:52] firebird619 : amazing [22:52] holy jeebus. [22:52] and image stabilization works very well [22:52] Action: thumbs wimpers with his 4x zoon [22:53] ananke: Good to hear. Now just wait for CHDK to support it. :) [22:53] ananke, i hate its batteries though, 4 aa, it's also a lot heavier than the one i want [22:53] Action: lf4 backs up what ananke is saying. [22:53] i actually borrowed canon speedlite 550ex from work, and used it on this sx10. a bit big, but worked like a charm [22:53] nachox: you can buy rechargeables [22:54] i know [22:54] nachox: I prefer those to the lithium counterparts in the long run [22:54] thumbs: don't wimper too much. My zoom is 3x. The zoom's on these cameras are getting crazy. [22:54] thumbs, why? [22:54] nachox: they hold their charge better [22:54] most point-and-shoot cameras only go up to 4x maybe 6x zoom [22:54] nachox: the lithium loses its maximum charge faster. [22:55] firebird619: I could use 7-8x often. [22:55] Nic-MH batteries are the best for digital cameras [22:55] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A76874.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:55] thumbs, rechargeables ARE lithium [22:55] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.30.225) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:55] nachox: not all [22:55] thumbs: Yeah, that would be nice, but some optical zoom is better than none at all. :) [22:56] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:56] nachox: right, but the small slim square lithium batteries for those camera tend to crap faster than AA rechargeable batteries [22:56] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.30.225) joined ##slackware. [22:56] nachox: in my experience [22:56] lf4: I have like 8-10 sets of Nic-MH sets to alternate between. I hever am left without a good set of batteries. :) [22:56] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.30.225) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:56] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-75-43-76-187.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [22:56] this week i've been using canon eos 10d, with an extra battery pack. god, talk about getting a workout. comparing it to this sx10, it's 5 times as heavy [22:57] hehe [22:57] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.30.225) joined ##slackware. [22:57] Oh nice firebird619 see thats what I need to get now. I dont have enough since this camera takes 4 at a time lol [22:57] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-173-116.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [22:57] thumbs: I have a Sanyo that has that slim square battery. I hated it. [22:57] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.30.225) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:57] firebird619: yeah. [22:58] my samsung takes 2xAA [22:58] i've always thought sanyo made cheap crap [22:58] lf4: Yeah, it's nice. Mine only takes 2 so I have more sets. :) [22:58] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.30.225) joined ##slackware. [22:58] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [22:58] One thing that's great about the camera I have now, is it has manual shutter speed and aperature settings. :D [22:58] nachox: It was an alright camera, I just hated the battery it used. [22:58] firebird619: yeah, I can't live without those. [22:59] nite slackers:) [22:59] good night hitest [22:59] firebird619: I can't revert to auto any more. [22:59] That makes a big difference firebird619 :) which is why I always got these canon cameras. [22:59] night hitest [22:59] thumbs: me either, my camera's always on manual. [22:59] only a few samsung's can do manual, and I was lucky enough to get that one. [22:59] nite firebird619, lf4 [22:59] :) [23:00] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [23:00] thumbs: Mine is Samsung too, I have BL103, which one do you have? [23:00] firebird619: D53 [23:01] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [23:01] thumbs: cool. That's a nice camera. [23:02] thanks, so is yours. [23:02] Thanks. [23:02] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "schleep" [23:03] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@20150171233.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [23:03] lf4: 1774 pictures at 3648x2736. [23:04] My uncle has a Sony H9 [23:04] Cool :) its nice not having to worry how many shots you can take :) [23:04] lf4: Yeah. I always am taking tons of photos. I have my camera with me everywhere I go. [23:05] firebird619: oh, it only does 3x. [23:05] firebird619: I was sure I could do 4x [23:05] The one thing where more zoom would come in handy, is like the local air show they have around here, it'd be cool to really zoom in on the planes. [23:05] i wish a decent flash wouldn't be so costly [23:05] I just checked mine after low level formating of the SDHC I can take 1805 at 3648x2736 [23:05] That's where ananke's 20x zoom would really be nice. :) [23:06] lf4: You get more than me. :( Not by much though. :P [23:06] I was lucky to get a nice flash for my nikon when they were decently priced [23:06] a comparable flash to what I got for $125 is now $250 [23:06] lol only 30 more its really nothing much [23:06] the flashes i'm looking at, canon 420ex, start at $250 [23:07] mine does 2592x1944 [23:07] yeah flashes are crazy how they cost the same as a camera [23:07] lenses is where you really run into the dough though [23:07] Another cool feature of mine, I'm sure some others have this also, although low res, is I can playback a video in the camera, and make still frame photos from any part of the video. [23:07] Oh man lenses yeah but when you even start looking at them it means you spent $$ on a nice camera that can use them. [23:08] yeah [23:08] firebird619 : canon sx10 can do the same thing. you can capture video, and shoot stills at the same time [23:08] I like the extra button for video on the sx10is [23:08] can someone make me a usb initrd.img [23:08] ananke: Yeah, this is a little different. You can record the video and later during playback make photos from it. [23:08] lol methoxy still having problems? [23:08] ananke, your canon doesnt record in hd right? [23:08] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:usbboot&s[]=usb [23:08] yeah [23:09] i cant get it installed [23:09] canon speedlite 270 ex should be released this month. fairly nice flash, but too bad it doesn't swivel [23:09] that is awesome [23:09] nachox: No it doesn't [23:09] nachox : correct, it only records in 640x480 [23:09] skibur (n=skibur@75.43.76.187) joined ##slackware. [23:09] sounds like a cellphone :) [23:09] you can run a hack of google android on my phone [23:09] but that's with image stabilization, stereo audio, etc :) [23:10] hehe [23:10] ananke: Does your camera let you use the optical zoom on recording video? [23:10] image stabilization is great, don't have to worry about a tripod as much [23:10] firebird619 : yep [23:10] it's pretty standard these days [23:10] ananke: nice. I hate the cameras that don't. That optical really comes in handy on videos too. [23:11] nachox: the optical in videos? It wasn't to long ago that it was a rarity to find a camera that did that. [23:11] on a side note, the photos of the moon i took made one of my coworkers jelous. he's a pro photographer, and he spent a few nights trying to get such a decent shot, and wasn't able to. [not to mention he uses canon eos 40d and 50d, with very nice lenses] [23:11] firebird619, no, the stabilizer [23:11] with nikon dslr's the image stabilization is built into the lense, some of my lenses don't have it, but I will never buy another one that doesn't [23:12] ananke: I shot really nice pictures of the moon one night with my camera and a pair of binoculars. [23:12] ananke, did you show him the blurred borders? :P [23:12] nachox: Ah, ok. stabilizers are a must these days I think. [23:12] nachox : of course, but still came out better than his attempts [23:12] twolf: thats how the sx10is is as well image stab is in the lense [23:12] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 mph, you're gonna see some serious shit." [23:12] Action: lf4 is going to shoot some pictures of the moon tonight if its not clowdy :) [23:13] ananke: What settings did you use to shot the moon, I thought those photos turned out great. [23:13] lf4: can you hold the shutter open on that camera? [23:13] lf4 : here's my attempt: http://picasaweb.google.com/ananke/Random# [23:13] for a long period of time? [23:13] twolf : nope. max is 15 secs [23:14] I like to try to get pics of lightning so that feature is a must for me [23:14] firebird619 : 1/60 sec shutter, iso 80, full zoom [23:14] oh nice [23:14] One of my cameras, I have 6 or 7, holds the shutter open for however long you hold the shutter button down. [23:14] ananke: Ok, I'll have to try that some time. I don't have that high a zoom so I use binoculars. [23:14] The lower the iso the better. I think mine goes down to 50 iirc. [23:14] ananke, the cat is yours? [23:15] nachox : yep. one of them [23:15] twolf: let me know if this link does not work. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=108285&id=688471004&ref=share [23:16] ananke: That cat picture turned out really nice. [23:16] ananke: those are some nice pictures :) [23:16] lf4: I don't use facebook so it says I must login to see the page [23:16] thanks. i wish there was more light caught in the cat's eye, but that was hard to achieve [and only natural light was used] [23:16] blah lol ok hold on one second. [23:16] The page you requested cannot be displayed right now. It may be temporarily unavailable, the link you clicked on may have expired, or you may not have permission to view this page. [23:17] lf4: ^^ [23:17] seriously, using that good flash made me really want to get one [23:17] ananke: only natural light? wow, nice. [23:17] haha lets see if this works.. it says its a public link... lol [23:17] http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=108285&id=688471004&l=95bd12238e [23:17] lf4: yes [23:17] I should really get a picasa setup and put my images on there. [23:18] lf4: nice pics, thanks [23:18] my wife uses picasa to share normal photos, and i find it to be very easy to use. [23:18] lf4: the waterfall is a little blurry [23:18] lol those were with my old cameras back in 2005-2007 [23:18] lf4, the first 2 do not look real [23:19] thats the effect I was going for shutter speed was slow [23:19] nachox: they are real [23:19] I took them on the plane [23:19] i know [23:19] i think he meant to say that everything else was blurry, not just the water :) [23:19] haha oh [23:19] lf4: I really like that sunset one. 3rd row, second column, first page. [23:19] the one of the thunder is really nice [23:19] yeah slow shutter speed with having to hold the camera no tripod lol it would be. [23:20] ananke, yep, and the colors look fotoshopped :) [23:20] ananke: yes yes yes [23:20] yeah, no tripod will get you. so will hitting the shutter. that's why i always use the timer, since none of my cameras have a remote one [23:21] Thanks firebird619 everyone thought I was crazy for riding around on my bike with my backpack having my camera. [23:21] ananke: I do that too, use the self timer so the camera doesn't move. :) [23:21] ananke, doesnt the canon have a remote? [23:21] nachox: nope [23:21] my old camera got ruined when it fell over on some rocks on a cheap tripod in heavy wind, don't skimp on your tripod [23:21] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:22] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:22] lf4, the one with the clouds and the red sky doesnt look real either [23:22] twolf: that stinks [23:22] lf4: There is a spot close to my house that is perfect for getting beautiful sunsets, I go there quite a bit in the summer usually. [23:22] lf4: I have pics from my trip in Western Canada, if you like the rockies and such [23:23] hell, i use timer even for a still photo : http://picasaweb.google.com/ananke/Random#5326237649469363266 1/20 sec [23:23] oh thats cool firebird619 have any nice pictures? [23:23] I have one of those little grip tripods that wrap around whatever. They're sure nice. [23:24] lf4: I backup all my photos to dvds. I'm not sure if I have any on the pc right now or now. I'll check. [23:24] thumbs: yeah I actually just moved to the rockies :) hopefully I'll get some good pictures here. [23:24] s/now/not [23:24] lf4: http://avenger.homeunix.org:81/gallery3/main.php?g2_itemId=1765 [23:24] Floops (n=baihu@ns1.floops.info) joined ##slackware. [23:25] lf4: at least you have a nice enviroment to master that craft :-) [23:25] lf4: all those... on a 3x optical zoom [23:25] thumbs: yeah [23:26] lf4: and 1/60, most of the time. 1/45 too. [23:26] twolf: lol hopefully its the SLC vally and gets pretty smoggy here often. [23:26] lf4: I have a sony camera that I got a few years back, and within a month or maybe even less, I had over 1,000 pictures taken. I mostly take pictures of sunsets, clouds, etc. and of course my family at holidays and so forth. [23:26] thumbs: this picture of the mountains looks like its CGI :) very nice [23:26] lf4: where is the SLC valley? [23:26] lf4: heh, I was in a car, too. [23:26] crap, i'd show you some of mine but i dont know how to share pics in facebook [23:26] thumbs: Salt Lake City [23:27] lf4: I see [23:27] nachox: you could use www.imageshack.us [23:27] nice thumbs :) [23:27] rockies to the east, desert to the west, very diverse [23:27] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:28] twolf: Haha yeah you can say that :) maybe tomorrow I'll go for a drive and try out my camera. [23:28] lf4: I took 700+ pictures on that trip [23:28] Nice :) most of my pictures you guys saw were while I was on the plane to South Africa and while I was there. [23:28] http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=n82581989712207599729.jpg from a moving ban [23:28] I took over 2,700 pictures with two different cameras. [23:29] lf4: http://avenger.homeunix.org:81/gallery3/main.php?g2_itemId=2343 (glacier) [23:29] lf4: This isn't the spot, but I love shots like this. http://imgur.com/1b8.jpg [23:30] http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=n82581989712208955070.jpg [23:31] coole thumbs where was that? nice firebird619 that looks like the type of photos I would take. :) [23:31] nachox: heh. I have a picture from almost the same angle. [23:31] thumbs, in the same place? [23:31] lf4: the canadian rockies, more specifically the Arthabasca glacier [23:31] nachox: unlikely, no, but similar, yes [23:31] nachox: let me find it [23:31] Ahh ok same trip :) thats cool I should take a drive up there sometime. [23:32] very small world [23:33] so true twolf :) [23:33] mendoza - argentina [23:33] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [23:33] nachox: http://avenger.homeunix.org:81/gallery3/main.php?g2_itemId=2101 [23:34] Gatto (n=Romeo~@host41-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:34] nachox: anyway, on the other side of the mountain, there was a bare rock pathway, and the same view as yours, and arguable, not the same valley [23:34] the problem I had was overexposure [23:35] there was so much sunlight.... [23:35] lf4: I don't seem to have any of my really nice one's on the pc. [23:35] methoxy: Still working on that laptop? [23:36] thats alright firebird619 :) I know how that is lol I just knew I had some on facebook so I used that I have others on my computer... somewhere haha [23:36] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:37] lf4: Yeah, you get so many and at the time you want to show them or something it's like "Oh man, where are they now?" :P [23:37] lf4: If I were to count all the pictures I have from over the years, it's well into the the several thousand range. [23:38] Haha yeah it gets annoying which is why I should set up my picasa account lol [23:38] lf4: This is also a fairly nice one. http://www.imgur.com/1bAwt [23:38] I have only around 3,000 since I started back in 2005 but slowed down after I sold my cameras back in 2007 [23:39] erisco (n=kambee@72.209.59.92) joined ##slackware. [23:39] lf4, http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc03299y.jpg [23:39] nice firebird619 looks like a storm is coming or going as the sun sets. [23:39] lf4: I have some that have just unbelievably tall clouds, and just imagine at sunset, you know how the light reflects and creates gorgous shades of pinks, purples, etc. [23:39] lf4: Yes, coming. :) [23:39] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:39] oh those would be really cool to see :) [23:40] nachox: nice picture I like the lighting effect on the plant [23:40] lf4: Yes, they are amazing. When I come across them again, I'll be sure to share them with you. [23:41] That would be nice to see :) its always good to see others photos to get new ideas of what to look for :) [23:41] lf4: That's where it'd be nice to have all the pictures on the hard drive and manage them with digikam or something and be able to get them at a moments notice. [23:42] lf4: Yes, always great to see others work and get ideas. Photography is just wonderful. [23:42] I'm buying a 1 TB drive to do that [23:42] two, actually. [23:42] I have yet to try out digikam, should be the next thing to install on here :) [23:43] one can never have too many TB [23:43] thumbs: 1TB drive for just images? [23:43] thumbs: I have a 640 GB drive, and two 120's, so I could do it now, I couldn't before though. [23:43] twolf: rand1 [23:43] i just built the latest digikam, it get's better every release [23:43] raid1, rather. [23:43] off to sleep, night guys [23:43] night nachox [23:43] gn nachox [23:43] night nachox [23:43] digikam needs kipi-plugins, which isn't specified on SBo. [23:43] Goodnight nachox [23:43] god night. [23:43] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.47.106) left irc: "Leaving" [23:43] lf4: I like to mirror my important data. [23:43] firebird619, not to build, but to use yes [23:43] lf4: digiKam is really nice, you should try it. [23:44] they should state it tho [23:44] firebird619: did you email the maintainer? [23:44] Old_Fogie: Yeah, without kipi-plugins the export and batch menus are useless. [23:44] thumbs: ahh makes sense I was going to do a RAID 5 setup with my 500BG drives but I could not get the idea of buying a $300-400 PCIe card lol [23:44] thumbs: not yet, I just found it out yesterday or the day before, I was in #slackbuilds and mentioned it, but I didn't get any response. [23:44] yeah, an 'recommends' for sure more like 'highly recommended' [23:45] lf4: you can get a cheap sata raid card that does raid1. [23:45] kipi-plugins is one finicky set of applications to build [23:45] my mobo does RAID 0, 1 and 10 [23:45] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060015e964b923.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:45] lf4: onboard raid? No thanks. [23:45] must be 10 libs to build it, and it's gotta be in order or you lose [23:46] Old_Fogie: So you've tried the latest digikam? nice? [23:46] Will SBopkg ever be a part of an official build of Slackware? [23:46] lf4: I would rather get a PC card. [23:46] PCI card. [23:46] i_is_cat_ (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:46] Old_Fogie: I got kipi-plugins from Sbo, but I am not using a new version, so digikam and kipi-plugins and other deps from Sbo worked for me. [23:46] thumbs: Yeah that is true :) but if I do it will be RAID 5. [23:46] firebird619, got it here, I'm shocked they still made a kde3 release now a days to be honest, but I'm quite happy. starts faster, and alot more squahsed bugs [23:47] firebird619, yea I build a lot of bleeding edge stuff (except the kde4 and friends - it's just not my thing) [23:47] for my Old_Fogie --unstable [23:47] Old_Fogie: I like bleeding edge, I'm on stable 12.2 though. :) [23:47] hba (n=hba@189.188.146.30) left irc: "leaving" [23:47] bleeding edge apps for desktop users I should state, not server apps or stuff like that [23:48] 12.1 is my favorite slack next to 11. 12.2 is on some of our netbooks, but not all. the 12.2 is very little I built for them. [23:49] 11 with rob's hal/dbus 2.4/2.6 kernels is still the fastest slack I ever ran yet. [23:49] Old_Fogie: I use xfce 4.6, I used kde for a while and it is really nice, but I guess I'm just drawn to the lightweight de/wm's. :) [23:49] I did a clean install of 12.2, and it booted in 11.5 seconds. [23:49] Old_Fogie: I am on a 2.6.29.1-smp-rt kernel. custom. [23:50] I never had a single machine boot faster than that [23:50] thumbs: are you serious, mine takes 28 seconds. [23:50] firebird619, yea I like xfce alot, new rev I'm not happy with so I'm using icewm now (unless the devs fix the menus) [23:50] firebird619: I am serious. [23:50] xfce was my favorite for long time. [23:50] thumbs: Whoa, and you did nothing special to achieve that? What's your pc specs. [23:50] I should time my boot lol but its probably really slow. [23:50] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060015e964b923.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:51] firebird619: p4 1.8, 3x sata drives, onboard video + sound, AMD [23:51] Old_Fogie: You don't like 4.6? May I ask why? [23:51] you know, this next ubunut people say they get 40 second boots, and that's good, but I get that on Slack antiques of mine :) [23:51] firebird619, the menus and desktop/menu [23:52] you cant have custom menu's anymore. and since I have all gnome, kde, it's a complete cluster (you know what) [23:52] thumbs: Mine is p4 3.2, 1 640GB sata, nvidia geforce FX5200, Creative Labs Audigy platinum. [23:52] I never had sub-30 seconds until this box [23:52] I can't have a menu like "Fav Apps --> (list my favorite apps here)" [23:52] firebird619: it's an asus mobo, if that matters. Oh, and boots to runlevel 3. [23:52] Fedora is claiming 20 second boots for their next release. [23:53] thumbs: Ah, I boot to runlevel 4. [23:53] thumbs: my 286 running DOS 5.0 boots in 10-15 seconds ;) [23:53] it's so much menu navigation now, it's over whelming. and I dont need an icon in my panel for every app "just in case" or on the desktop either, that's just useless for my needs. [23:53] lf4: pffft [23:53] firebird619: I doubt loading xfce would add much [23:54] thumbs: No, xfce loads really fast here. [23:54] firebird619: so yes, 14 seconds then :) [23:54] All I can say is, I hope they add back the option for custom menu's, else I'll be really disappointed, it's almost a regression at this point, man I hope they add it back. [23:54] Jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) joined ##slackware. [23:54] Old_Fogie: So does xfce 4.6 doesn't have a way to customize the menu at all. I guess I've never really looked/paid attention to that. [23:54] firebird619: the sad part is that it's only a smb + mysql + lvm + svn box [23:55] thumbs: that is sad. :( [23:55] with ... 1GB of RAM too [23:55] firebird619, nope. and as you know, linux desktop environments have *so* many icons/apps for these little powerhouse binaries, and it's just a nightare. you get no further categorization other than "network" with a list of like 50 apps there.. and compound that with K-this and K-that..and it's bad. [23:56] albeit with the 600 GB LVM I set up, more caching is better [23:56] I've never seen boot times below 28 for my machine. I've never really tweaked it to get fast bootup though. [23:56] firebird619: it's the default huge.smp, too. [23:56] Old_Fogie: Yeah, I know what you mean there. [23:56] thumbs: That 28 second here is on a custom kernel. [23:56] hey gnu/linux on my slowest box is still under a minute to the login screen, aint no windows I ever had beat that :) so I'm happy. [23:57] Windows takes forever, I have one XP box, the other XP box's Mobo went out. [23:57] windows? what is that? [23:57] firebird619, it wouldn't be "so" bad, if the menu's accomodated the "GenericName" field of the $appname.desktop file (part of freedesktop org spec) so you'd get "Kget - download manager". At least that would be comprehensive..this is a mess. [23:57] Well, it's an emachines, the PS went out and took the MoBo with it. [23:58] Old_Fogie: Yeah, that would be nice if they would accomodate for that. [23:59] I have windows in my house... [00:00] --- Sun Apr 19 2009