[00:01] Wescotte, yes [00:01] compmstr (n=corey@adsl-074-185-008-197.sip.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [00:02] oobe: I can't seem to find the settings for it.. know where I can locate it? [00:03] you mean when you have the login screen there is an option to login as different users right? [00:03] yes [00:03] that should happen by default [00:03] I mean a list that you can click on a user name rather than type it in.. [00:03] unless some of the users dont have a valid shell [00:03] yea Wescotte that should happen by default [00:04] I don't see a list.. all users are set to bash [00:04] kdm? [00:04] yes [00:05] kdesu systemsettings [00:05] well you can look at kdm setting in systemsettings / advanced / login manager [00:05] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [00:05] Then what oobe said [00:05] thanks [00:05] in users section there is a box that says show users list [00:06] that should be checked [00:06] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:07] yup, it's checked.. and they're not marked as excluded in anyway.. [00:07] is it similar to gdm where only certain themes have a userlist? [00:08] yes [00:08] Not that I'm aware, but I like gdm better anyway, so that's what I use. [00:08] try a different theme [00:08] I had gdm on it before and was going to install it but figured I'd see if kdm had a user list yet.. [00:10] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:10] parents machine.. I don't use them personally so I hardly ever touch this stuff [00:14] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) joined ##slackware. [00:14] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) left ##slackware. [00:15] hmm not showing up in gdm either.. any ideas what I did wrong? [00:15] I have a themed + face browser thingy on.. [00:16] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:16] ah had to click include users in /etc/passwd checkbox or manually enter then.. [00:16] them.. [00:19] I seem to recall getting a user list (with or without pics) is part of the kdm configuration but for "security" I disabled it. [00:19] it seems to be the default but it's not producing a list.. [00:20] I just installed gdm and got it up and running.. [00:21] _dfrank_ (n=dfrank@94.19.35.79) joined ##slackware. [00:22] /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc and there was some sort of gui editor... [00:22] gm152 (n=glen@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:23] kingbeowulf: thanks [00:24] kingbeowulf: gui in systemsettings ->advanced->login manager [00:25] or at least.. a gui is [00:25] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:25] Ahh... haven't used it in ages...memory fades...beer flows.... [00:26] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-75-61-134-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:26] yeah I don't touch kdm/gdm or any login manager myself except when I upgrade my parents machine [00:26] finally putting 13.0 on it [00:28] Sweet. Just did that to for the wife. now she whats a new laptop. What wrong with a perfectly good PIII-850Mhz, 256MB DRAM, 20GB HD? [00:29] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:30] Heck its only 10yrs old (laptop not wife) and should have a few years left. esp. now that Xfce is getting good. (KDE 4.2 is a freaking hog) [00:31] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [00:31] kingbeowulf: you didn't know that new software has to have newer hardware to run all the best software? i thought everyone knew that. and thats why we have to buy new hardware all the time right? [00:31] too bad you couldn't just get a new casing and put the old hardware in and stay it's new :) [00:31] j/k don;t take me for real [00:32] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:35] earp_child (n=Dirty@72-4-87-94.gncsin06.customers.broadreach.net) joined ##slackware. [00:35] hayaka (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:36] spider1010, i should slap you. I mourned the passing of 4 systems I took to recycling [00:36] too old bah! [00:36] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:36] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:36] of course now my Blue and white G3 (OS X 10.4.11) developed a kernel panic on boot. sigh.... [00:37] Has anyone tried to mix wicd and hibernation, with positive results? [00:38] xovan (n=xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:38] On mine, it just seems to fail, and I'm trying to determine whether it's the driver itself freaking out or wicd. [00:39] i'll have to try it on the ancient laptop. the acpi is flaky and I haven't checked if 13 will, 12.2 seemd to [00:39] compmstr (n=corey@adsl-074-185-008-197.sip.clt.bellsouth.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:40] veritos which method do you use for hibernation ? [00:41] mohaa, `sudo pm-hibernate` [00:41] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:41] (mine looks OK : TuxOnIce patch + wicd) [00:41] it's a broadcom bcm4312, may it burn in hell [00:42] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:42] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:42] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:43] on the other network cards don't come home on their own, blame yourself -_- [00:44] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc65210e1.cns.vt.edu) left irc: "Leaving." [00:45] Hoogin (n=hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [00:46] veritos can your provide moar detailz? do you hibernate when the connection is live? [00:47] mancha, yes [00:47] so don't [00:47] it's not going to survive a hibernation anyways so why keep it live? [00:48] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:48] hmm I guess it was a theme thing.. kdm's default theme doesn't show a user list.. disabled that and it worked.. [00:48] This is still bugging me- In Slack12.2 and SLAMD64 12.2 (KDE 3.5.10, Xfce 4.4.3) the drive icons shows up on the desktop (data dvd, video dvd, data cd, audio cd, sacd) but in slack13 (both 32 and 64, with and without multilib) the drive icon doesn't pop up [00:48] mplayer and gnome-mplayer will play the, but need to specify the location with cdda.device or cdrom-device. to play video dvd (icon pops up) neithe rneeds to be "told" [00:48] i'll try stopping wicd first and see if that helps; unfortunately i am on the relevant machine, so i'll try later on [00:48] also, Amarok won't show and audio cd when it is inserted. nothing nada. [00:48] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:48] kingbeowulf, look at the /etc/fstab files on both versions. /dev/cdrom is commended out in 13.0's; is that the same in 12.2's? [00:49] earp_child (n=Dirty@72-4-87-94.gncsin06.customers.broadreach.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:49] veritos, normally, even in mac and windows world, its a good idea to stop the network before hibernation [00:49] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:49] veritos, yes its commented out liek in 12.2 [00:49] veritos hibernate scripts allow you to specify whitelist/blacklist apps [00:50] you can choose to kill or not [00:50] before the hibernate process [00:50] wicd's already got a file /usr/lib64/pm-utils/sleep.d/55wicd [00:50] looks like that's what that file is *supposed* to do [00:50] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:50] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:50] udev/dbus should control all removable devices and should report status [00:51] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:51] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "sleepy time in the dark place" [00:51] soibxe (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: ":)" [00:51] Action: veritos anxiously awaits his grades [00:51] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:52] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:53] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [00:53] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:54] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:54] veritos: does it come back up if you poke wicd? [00:54] (or do you have to unload the driver and reload it?) [00:54] rworkman, nothing short of a reboot [00:54] veritos: driver problem [00:54] s/$/ fixes it/ [00:54] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:55] veritos: what's the name of the driver? [00:55] DIE BROADCOM DIE [00:55] rworkman, broadcom-sta, the one on slackbuilds.org [00:55] b43 is much better (number one) and i doubt a reboot is needed (number two) [00:55] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [00:55] printf "SUSPEND_MODULES=\"broadcom-sta\"\n" >> /etc/pm/config.d/defaults [00:56] mancha, doesn't support my card [00:56] veritos: that ^ will cause pm-utils to unload the driver on suspend and reload it on wake. [00:56] you said bcm4312? oldest son has one. Win Vista has occasional issue waking up, he just said. We were having issues in Slack and ubuntu with teh broadcom binary blob [00:56] mancha's second is almost surely correct; removing the module and reloading it should fix it [00:57] oh, and veritos, file a bug with the broadcom-sta project. [00:57] rworkman, that's the upstream proprietary driver. [00:57] and i'm the author of the slackbuild [00:57] Okay, well, still, you should bitch at upstream. [00:57] ha ha good luck complaining.. they never listed to me [00:57] tanamo (n=tanamo@125.252.70.230) joined ##slackware. [00:57] that'll be fun anyway [00:57] *listened [00:57] maduser (n=kevin@pool-74-101-153-162.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:58] 4312 seems to be a problem chip, from what i've heard. i also heard b43 has made progress on that chipset...when was the last time you checked them out? [00:58] veritos: about your question earlier re getting the realname from uid, you might can write a small C app using getpwnam(3) [00:58] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [00:59] rworkman, i just did `getent passwd $a_uid | cut -d: -f1` and decided that that was good enough [00:59] I would have too :) [01:00] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!n=root@* expired. [01:00] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [01:00] i wish that id(1) supported going in that direction, though [01:01] Yeah, I expected that it would [01:01] I haven't ripped an audio CD in ages.. What's a decent app for doing it these days? I'm looking for something my parents could use and toss into amarok.. [01:02] id -un [01:02] Wescotte: kaudiocreator [01:02] dump bcm for atheros. Now back to my problem! why won't Amarok see the audio cd, why wont decktop (KDEof Xfce) see it? [01:02] grip @ Wescotte [01:03] mancha, k@stark ~ $ id -un 1 [01:03] id: 1: no such user [01:03] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) joined ##slackware. [01:03] Wescotte, kaudiocreator works as dows K3B (if the right libs are loaded, etc) [01:03] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-99-37-156-191.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:03] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:03] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) left ##slackware. [01:03] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [01:04] hmm k3b isn't bad.. just when through the process as it's listed as an action when I inserted the disc.. I'll look at kaudiocreator too [01:04] it is nice and simple. [01:04] a kde app "simple" ? *_* [01:05] hardcore joke that is [01:05] sure...they left out being ably to "play" the cd [01:05] hmm kaudiocreator's cddb sucks :) [01:05] ohdannyboy (n=dan@pool-96-254-20-102.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:05] there another "app" for that. oh wait..pat removed kxcd... [01:05] i mean kscd [01:06] was looking at xkcd.. [01:06] patching kdpf is a becoming a bit of a hassle (got too many code windows open) [01:06] use okular [01:08] what is missing in kpdf @ mancha [01:08] ohdannyboy (n=dan@pool-96-254-20-102.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:09] mohaa, security [01:09] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:10] Hermann (n=Hermannn@c-fd51e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [01:10] ppfffttt...security bah [01:11] hmm k3b has the same server/settings for CDDB as kaudiocreator but kaudiocreator doesn't list the same albums.. not even the right artist but k3b does.. odd [01:11] stop clicking on every web link [01:12] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [01:12] Wescotte, weird. last few I ripped where in k3b... most of my stash was ripped/encoded ages ago via command line [01:13] oh hehe nevermind.. there was another audio CD in the other drive :) [01:13] on a 80486 [01:13] kingbeowulf: when it was an overnight process to rip to mp3 :) [01:14] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:14] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:14] Wescotte, overnight? DAYS!! I was envious of a friend with a new AMD K5 who could rip a whole cd overnight! [01:15] hmm I can't remember what cpu I had when I first discovered mp3s but I do remember it being an overnight process [01:15] must have been a pentium 1 machine [01:15] Early pentiums could whip out a cd or 2 a day [01:15] kingbeowulf: if you were still on a 486 your HD must have been what? 100meg-1gig range? hardly room on that for many albums :0 [01:15] heh, i first discovered mp3's on a BBS. Machine was one of the first intel 486's(i think) [01:16] those were the days [01:16] I discovered mp3s via irc in like 95/96.. [01:16] Wescotte, 40MB + 2GB and I burned them onto CD after ripping [01:16] when i finally upgraded my 386sx to a cyrix486 to bbs.. i felt like a king. [01:17] kingbeowulf: heh I guess 10 albums per disc ain't too bad [01:17] brings a tear to my old eyes. [01:17] Wescotte, you bet. [01:17] I had a 4disc changer on my PC back then too [01:17] had to lug the computer around to play them! kids are spoiled with phone and mp3 players! [01:17] which was damn handy [01:17] arno (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:18] yeah I can't believe how long it took for portable mp3 players to come into being.. or even discmans that played mp3s [01:18] Wescotte, Deluxe! I wanted one of theos [01:18] anyone good with awk? how would i cut after the @ in a hostname i.e. ash@foo.org if its $7 [01:18] but also print $4 without any modification. [01:19] "man awk" [01:19] "awk man" [01:19] "Hawk Man" silly ass comic hero [01:19] i want to hire someone to fuck you with a hot iron pole. [01:19] ooooo...... [01:20] kinky..... [01:20] lmao [01:20] I've had a few beers and its been a long week [01:21] hrm, looks like that one will be 1814. [01:22] acidchild, my apologies. sometime I just get silly. Besides, with a name like your...it was just all an LSD flashback [01:22] kingbeowulf: they got cheap.. hardly more expensive than a normal CD-ROM around the time.. [01:23] think this was in the the 4X speed days.. [01:23] maduser (n=kevin@pool-74-101-153-162.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:23] or maybe they were slightly slower than modern drives. can't remember now.. [01:23] Wescotte, I traded 53000 hotel points (travel a lot for work) for a 8GB Ipod nano [01:24] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: "leaving" [01:24] I use my blackberry as my mp3 player.. 4gig flash card in it.. [01:24] I refuse to go iPhone so I'm just waiting for the right new phone to upgrade to.. Think mine is like 2 years oldish [01:25] maybe I'd go iphone when it's not locked into AT&T.. maybe.. [01:25] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:25] Wescotte, yeah I picked up burners for $0 and 100 count spindles of CDR $0 on sale after rebates back when [01:26] Wescotte, I may recycle the nano to the wife since I just put a 8GB card in my blackberry [01:26] I think I paid $500 for my 2X burner :) it was the first IDE one by Mitsumi I think.. [01:26] yikes [01:26] "early adopter" [01:27] I help out for 8x on sale for nada after rebates [01:27] I was working at a local PC builder back in the day and the first machine we sold with a CD-writer had to stay in service for a few extra days because we had to run tests :) [01:27] it was running all day/night making copies of stuff for everyone [01:27] lol [01:27] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [01:27] back then blanks were ~$10USD [01:28] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:28] so many things weren't even worth making copies of cuz it was cheaper to buy the real thing [01:28] pretty much any game on multiple CDs and such [01:28] yeah I waited a while until they used them as "loss leaders" [01:29] now you can get a decent cd/dvd writer for $20 :) [01:29] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) joined ##slackware. [01:29] bluray writers are pretty cheap too.. just the media isn't [01:30] just saw OEM blueray player for $99 and burner for about $150 [01:30] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) left ##slackware. [01:30] media is whack thaough. cheaper to just buy movie [01:31] I don't own a blueray player yet.. might not bother.. I have this funny feeling something better is coming [01:31] with tech it always does. [01:32] I think I bought my first DVDs/player in like 99 [01:32] I see DVD hanging around maybe 5-10 more years tops [01:32] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:33] I think bluray will be taken down by just streaming stuff.. [01:33] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:33] At least I can rip them and transfer my movie collection to hard drive or what ever is next. WTF am I supposed to do whith all the damn VHS when my 3 players give up? [01:33] If the Oppo BDP-83 did netfix on demand stuff I'd buy one but until it does I'm waiting it out.. [01:34] kingbeowulf: get a cheap capture card I guess.. [01:34] Streaming is what I am looking into. drop Dish network and set up internet feed to my 1080p LCD. [01:34] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:34] Wescotte, got one. take forever to dub [01:34] nix4me (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [01:34] yeah, I long for the day of being able to get all media on demand [01:35] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:35] by default what is the user main group in slack? [01:35] anything I want to watch or listen to is always in reach.. that'l be great [01:35] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:35] Then Comcast (or whoever in the) throttles you rfor being a band width hog in the middle of you movie! [01:35] crashdata: users [01:35] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [01:35] nix4me (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Client Quit [01:35] Hermann (n=Hermannn@c-fd51e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:35] kingbeowulf: they'll be the ones offering the service most likely.. [01:36] alisonken1noc, thanks...one more thing, is the wheel group equivalent to admin group? [01:36] Wescotte, yeah .. on demand whith only their catalog with commercials every few mintes [01:36] I have u-verse here with at&t dsl.. I don't d/l like I used too but I've never had problems with them or time warner/roadruner [01:37] kingbeowulf: ugh.. yeah forgot about damn commercials :) [01:37] kingbeowulf: maybe we'll get lucky and they have a premium service for no ads.. [01:37] Wescotte, o god no. I won't be able to afford it [01:37] nille (i=1000@c-83-233-249-176.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [01:38] kingbeowulf: and affordable :) [01:38] lol [01:38] that willbe the day [01:38] kingbeowulf: think about it though.. even at $100 a month that's not really that bad.. [01:38] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-017-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [01:38] kingbeowulf: if you never have to buy another CD/DVD again.. [01:38] Wescotte, sure if you can entertainment internet phone etc [01:39] kingbeowulf: nah that's extra.. I mean just $100 for the unlimited streaming content service [01:39] crashdata: group:root would be the equivalent of admin group - I'm not sure of group:wheel other than it's still used in some things [01:39] all rolled in one service. with roaming [01:40] I cough up 150+ with internet, satelluet, land line and cell [01:40] urthwrm (n=hooch@203-206-17-151.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:40] yeah that's about what I would pay (if I paid for tv) [01:40] and the DSL I have is just 1.5MBs eek [01:40] urthwrm (n=hooch@203-206-17-151.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [01:40] crashdata: crashdata: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:admin <-- alien's wiki on wheel group [01:41] think I have 3mb dsl.. never really push it to the limit these days :) [01:41] the content service will need to roam. Or I could set up a remote login in to my house I suppose. [01:41] once in a blue moon I torrent something [01:41] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:41] Just Linux distros! [01:41] kingbeowulf: yeah that would suck if you want to watch a movie at a friends and you don't have access.. [01:42] kingbeowulf: hehe actually yes pretty much.. I used to download lots of TV shows but now I just DVR it all.. [01:42] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [01:42] alisonken1noc, hmm so basically its just there for nostalgic reason [01:42] kingbeowulf: I don't torrent music/movies anymore (probably not in 5 years).. Netflix and cable keep me happy with films [01:43] it still has it's uses :) [01:43] but basically, yes [01:43] and I almost never use my netflix anymore.. I'm actually a film student so I kinda get sick of watching movies outside school [01:43] :)... [01:43] Wescotte, that wat I am thinkingg. upgrde to a HD DVR an let it go [01:44] kingbeowulf: eh.. the HD quality still blows.. [01:44] it's not horrible but even compared to a DVD it doesn't really look at good [01:45] I don't think I've even watched anything in 1080p on my HDTV yet :) [01:45] had it for a 18 months now [01:45] Thats why I am pondering a MythTV box with a bluray player [01:45] uverse has a pretty nice dvr included with everything [01:45] so I'm pretty happy with that.. HD and all that.. record 4 programs or 2 HD streams at once [01:46] and can be accessed via any box in the house.. I can remotely schedule content too.. which is nice [01:46] not available here. might just break down and go with comcast 15MB service with cable [01:46] sweet [01:47] where you at? [01:47] Near Portland OR [01:47] land of beer coffee and rain [01:47] Uverse is kinda odd here too.. My brother lives about 3 miles away and can't get it.. [01:48] Milwaukee, Wisconsin.. Land of beer, cheese, rain and snow :) [01:48] QWEST and Verizon have fiber but they want an arm and a leg and a 1st born fro the service [01:49] Clear just rolled out Wimax 4G [01:49] a bit faster than my DSL and I can get in anywhere in Portland [01:49] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:49] brrrr [01:50] hate snow after 2 years in Buffalo NY [01:50] yeah I'm most likely heading to California in a year or two after school [01:50] expensive [01:50] or at least somewhere warm.. I'm sick of the winter [01:51] but great deals on forclosed houses! [01:51] I'm a film student.. Hollywood is kinda the place to go [01:51] jude (n=jude@mail.kenfreight.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [01:51] I'll have a CS degree too so.. slightly more options [01:51] Albuqueque NM was attrcting a lot of talet when I left a few yours ago [01:52] whathe heck am i typing [01:52] fraktil (n=fraktil@96.248.224.241) joined ##slackware. [01:52] *talent [01:52] *years [01:52] CitizenLane (n=lane@c-69-243-237-89.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:52] heh.. it's getting late is all.. What sort of talent? [01:53] Gov richardson was giving film studios and support industries all sort of incentives to locate there. A few smaller and independent outfitts. [01:54] ah. Well we had a big tax incentives program here recently but they just got rid of it.. [01:54] "wildfire" show was filmed there and I know a guy who got a gig one episode as a drunken ex jocky chess player - 10-15 sec screen time! [01:56] You might wnat to check it iut anyway. warm, and fairly cheap to live. and sparse. I like space. [01:56] nositelicense (n=quassel@cpe-98-149-8-157.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:56] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:56] Also, for CS, loos like the New Mexico space port is gonna "take off" Virgin Galactic gonna fly the new space tourism from there [01:57] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-71-62-151-44.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:57] NM has a wide varity of scenery too. desert to High alpine [01:58] I could handle NM [01:59] The whole state is <2 million people [01:59] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.72.86) left irc: "Leaving" [01:59] how long were you there? [01:59] Here, I got stuck on the interstate for 3 hours in the rain [02:00] Wescotte, almost 10 yrs new job to Portland. made a $$ offer I couldn't refuse [02:01] I was getting tired of the pharmaceutical lab rat race (I am a chemist) [02:01] digwtx (n=digwtx@221.7.207.105) joined ##slackware. [02:02] Kidpunkx (n=Masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:03] Arizona and New Mexico are my favorite states [02:03] moh2a (n=nome@92.49.82.63) joined ##slackware. [02:04] nositelicense (n=quassel@cpe-98-149-8-157.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:04] Politics (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: [02:05] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.82.110) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:07] Politics (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:09] paissad-hp (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:10] never been to either one.. Oklahoma and California are about as close as I've come [02:11] Nick change: moh2a -> mohaa [02:11] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:11] wtf Motoko-chan :@ [02:11] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:11] eww...Oklahoma. CA not bad, people just crazed. Just expensive. [02:12] freenode haz shit [02:12] :( [02:12] I was only down there for a week visiting a friend who went to school there [02:12] so ? its late . bugger off [02:12] Wescotte, not you that other dude. [02:12] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:13] kingbeowulf: why are people crazed in california ? :p [02:13] Oklahoma.. I was responding to your eww comment :) [02:13] Wescotte, ok [02:13] she_dyed (n=jazz@adsl-64-252-190.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [02:13] comp_ (n=comp_@81.196.151.9) joined ##slackware. [02:14] and only a week in San Diego for a spring break trip.. so didn't see much other than bars and beaches :) [02:14] deco, I go there for work a few time a year, have a few colleages there, they always seem hyper and stressed. [02:14] hey is there a quick way to find out what version of slackware i have [02:14] on old cd burn i did [02:14] she_dyed, look in /etc [02:15] opps didn;t see that part [02:15] she_dyed: less /etc/slackware-version [02:15] mornin [02:15] 10.2 nice thanks deco + kingbeowulf [02:16] cat /etc/*vers* [02:16] and slax-version there too [02:16] should be just version but silly dist-makers cant agree. [02:16] or `etc/distro' would be nicer [02:17] dang this has none o the good ol make+gcc built-in [02:17] looks like strictly demo [02:17] she_dyed which dist? [02:17] its the Looking Glass one [02:17] slax under the covers [02:17] ah; caught up [02:17] ok [02:18] what's cat et/*vers* say? [02:18] 10.2 slack [02:18] 5.1.8 slax [02:18] ok use whereis and which to find tools [02:18] I dont know what did your cat eat? [02:18] and peek in /var/adm/packages [02:18] (causing drunkine trouble agin) [02:20] that can't be right, slackware 10.2 is from like 5 years ago [02:20] apn_ (n=apn@12.34.13.132) joined ##slackware. [02:20] an old cd, no its right [02:20] grooveshark.com/ stereaming music [02:20] no label cept slax [02:20] that i wrote on it [02:21] she_dyed did you install it? [02:21] theres no option to install [02:21] ok [02:21] just for 'show' i think [02:21] besides i'd rather install one wiht make and friends [02:21] k; is busybox in /bin? [02:21] openbox is there [02:21] oh busybox? [02:22] no [02:22] k [02:22] because i think back then it was a 'work in progress' [02:23] ok heres the weird thing idk if any of you did this before [02:24] i want it to stay as a liveCD but sit on the hdd [02:24] and boot to it on a multiboot [02:24] because the old laptop gets flakey when stuff is installed but [02:25] if you want to install slax why don't you download the current version, things have changed a lot since the version you have [02:25] grub or lilo? [02:25] its fine when it runs live stuff: sound, eth video [02:25] apn__ (n=apn@12.34.13.132) joined ##slackware. [02:25] lilo [02:25] and, are you confident to do this? [02:25] and recover when it breaks? [02:25] i have runt on another part, she'll live [02:25] k [02:26] thats older than dirt [02:26] slackbuild kills slackware [02:26] apn_ (n=apn@12.34.13.132) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:26] slackware suppose to be source [02:26] what you mean slackbuild kills slackware? [02:26] he's kidding [02:27] whats in that package , i just found that in my searches [02:27] does it have make, gcc, etc? [02:27] in what pkg? [02:27] slackbuild [02:27] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: "leaving" [02:27] that's not a pkg; he's just messing with words [02:28] there was a package called slackbuilds for slack10.0 [02:28] but none after that [02:28] they are scripts for making packages [02:28] like installpkg right? [02:28] that installs pkgs [02:29] oh i see [02:30] maybe he's thinking of that slack ver of apt-get thingy? [02:31] slapt-get [02:31] hayaka (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:31] no i think this should stay as is, too old [02:31] hayaka (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:31] apn_ (n=apn@12.34.13.132) joined ##slackware. [02:32] yeah.. never used slapt-get myself [02:32] ok patching complete. that wasn't so bad [02:32] if anything, if there's no precompiled binary then forget it [02:32] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [02:32] hayaka (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:32] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [02:33] its the first one i've used that only had abiword as an editor [02:33] Wescotte, its serviceable but with a few quirks. I used it for a while on my home made packages [02:33] and elvis which i'm sorry doesnt play like a real vi [02:34] slackbuilds.org generally has everything I've ever needed for the most part [02:34] vim != real vi [02:34] and elvis is [02:34] ? [02:34] nvi is the closest thing to the original vi [02:35] elvis is moderately close [02:35] vim is wildly divergenet [02:35] what vim extenions to the original vi don't you like? [02:35] Action: Wescotte stays out of this conversation :) [02:35] dakarn (n=skas@cpe-76-175-69-235.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [02:35] pwd (n=pwd@unaffiliated/pwd) joined ##slackware. [02:36] so the package manager is written in dialog? [02:36] no if or buts? [02:37] ifs or buts won't change it from dialog, if that's what you mean [02:37] well it didnt come with nvi either but to use abiword for editing text is pure evil [02:37] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Client Quit [02:37] i don't know, vim is 99.9% vi-compatible.... [02:38] the .1% stuff i am happy with...i mean, what's not to like about multiple-layer undo? for example [02:38] apn (n=apn@12.34.13.132) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:38] might look at epigrammaticus' option to get the newest slax [02:38] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [02:40] she_dyed, I would. They made a lot of updates since your old version. Even have a USB stick version ready to go [02:40] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [02:40] but if their choice of editor remained the same... [02:41] Action: she_dyed shakes fist [02:41] glarb (i=1000@c-68-42-189-210.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:41] dermoth (n=dermoth@dsl-216-221-37-17.aei.ca) joined ##slackware. [02:41] the editor is only as good as the editee [02:41] digwtx (n=digwtx@221.7.207.105) left ##slackware. [02:42] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: Client Quit [02:43] Kidpunkx (n=Masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:43] no if i wanted gui i'd get ubuntu or something [02:43] Kidpunkx (n=Masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:43] nvm i've cause enough for the day [02:43] i'll cya around people, thanks o/ [02:43] she_dyed (n=jazz@adsl-64-252-190.mia.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware ("later"). 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[04:18] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Connection timed out [04:18] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:19] gutts (n=gutts@abelia.dotriver.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:19] Morn [04:22] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) joined ##slackware. [04:23] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) left irc: Client Quit [04:25] rfdrew (n=rfdrew@230-104-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net) joined ##slackware. [04:26] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@unaffiliated/easy) joined ##slackware. [04:26] Is anyone here? [04:26] slackpkg install xpdf [04:27] No packages match the pattern for upgrade. Try: [04:27] /usr/sbin/slackpkg install|reinstall [04:27] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [04:27] wrong mirror? [04:28] what does slackpkg search xpdf show? [04:30] No package contains the selected pattern. [04:30] RTD (n=RTD@118-168-237-130.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "leaving" [04:31] what is in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors ? [04:32] as in `grep -v "^#" /etc/slackpkg/mirrors` [04:32] velusip (n=velusip@fatwire-204-46.uniserve.ca) left irc: [04:35] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:35] http://pastebin.com/m59a07748 [04:36] # Sweden, 155Mbit [04:36] ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-13.0/ [04:36] This is selected [04:39] hello... I need some help with dmraid for 32bit slackware with kernel 2.6.17.. dmraid -ay doesn't activate the mirror and displays an error in dmesg: device-mapper: table: 253:0: mirror: Wrong number of mirror arguments. does anyone have any clue about this? [04:39] ok, the low hanging fruit's been picked. i don't use slackpkg so can't offer any more suggestions. [04:41] dialog is p. horrible [04:42] so, i was going to ask you guys how to fix something, but then decided against it because i'm really drunk [04:42] and i didnt want to rm -rf / [04:42] :3 [04:42] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:42] LAST DAY AT WORK THIS YEAR!! WOO!! [04:44] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [04:44] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@unaffiliated/easy) left irc: Nick collision from services. [04:44] pwd (n=pwd@unaffiliated/pwd) left ##slackware. [04:45] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@unaffiliated/easy) joined ##slackware. [04:45] Hello,internet connection problem [04:46] http://pastebin.com/m59a07748 [04:46] ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-13.0/ [04:46] This is selected [04:46] mancha: ^ [04:46] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [04:46] alienBOB: ^ [04:46] Zordrak: ^ [04:46] Linux-IRC: you can stop now. [04:46] and you r problem is? [04:46] or earlier. [04:47] slackpkg install xpdf [04:47] Looking for xpdf in package list. Please wait... DONE [04:47] No packages match the pattern for install. Try: [04:47] /usr/sbin/slackpkg reinstall|upgrade [04:47] and .... ? [04:47] did you do "slackpkg update" first? [04:47] Yes [04:48] Now doing again [04:48] ok - then try a different mirror since that one may have a problem [04:48] ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-13.0/ , it's ok from firefox [04:49] Can anyone give a good link for slackpkg, Does anyone use slackpkg ? [04:49] slackpkg mirror [04:49] CitizenLane (n=lane@c-69-243-237-89.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:50] Linux-IRC: STOP. Take some lithium then come bark. [04:50] type less, say more. [04:50] Linux-IRC: "slackpkg install xap/xpdf" [04:50] I use http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0 at home [04:50] shouldn't the search on xpdf yield the xap-prefixed package? [04:51] i use osuosl [04:51] And do not try to ping specific users to help solve your problem, like you just did Linux-IRC. Next time, I'll kick you from the channel [04:51] mancha: search, yes, install, no [04:51] well his search is fucked, so i think his problem is deeper [04:51] Nick change: toast10111 -> toast10101 [04:51] probably deeper, since I did "slackpkg download xpdf" and it popped rignt up [04:53] i've never used slackpkg :) i assume even if you install xap/xpdf it'll grab the one in patches if it exists? [04:53] He did not try "search" , only "install" [04:53] alienBOB: I also tried search , same result [04:54] doesn't patches/ just have patches to the package, not a replacement for the package? [04:54] mancha: ^^^^ [04:54] what does slackpkg search xpdf show? [04:54] No package contains the selected pattern. [04:54] alisonken1noc patches contains updated packages (full packages) [04:55] mancha: cool - learn something new again :) [04:55] :) [04:55] sometimes it is same version+patches, other times it is an updated version. [04:55] Zordrak: What's the way to say more "typing less" ? [04:56] fluff--; content++; [04:56] Have to use c/c++ [04:56] or c--/c++ [04:56] CitizenLane (n=lane@c-69-243-237-89.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:57] Zordrak: Have you ever took some lithium ? [04:58] Linux-IRC: Welcome to red-tag land. Bye. [04:58] devafree (i=kannan@122.165.250.150) joined ##slackware. [04:58] alienBOB: slackpkg install xap/xpdf [04:58] alienBOB: Doesn't work [04:59] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Client Quit [05:00] Linux-IRC: use a different mirror [05:00] Axius (n=ade@92.82.92.181) joined ##slackware. [05:00] Changed the mirror though,ftp://ftp.slackware.at/slackware-13.0/ [05:01] Linux-IRC: instead of FTP try using an HTTP mirror [05:01] hello, where to get lsslang for libnewt , when i try to configure a tool that needs newt I get ldslang not found [05:01] ldsland , not lsslang [05:01] ldslang [05:01] slackware 12.2 [05:02] devafree: did you try slackbuilds.org [05:02] alisonken1noc , search for newt caqme blank [05:03] then there's a good chance that slackware packages don't have it in the normal channels [05:04] even linuxpackages only has slack 9.1 or slack 11.0 packages for newt [05:04] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [05:04] what's newt? [05:04] so you may have to d/l the sources yourself from their website if you can find it [05:04] http://www.linuxpackages.net/pkg_details.php?id=10322 [05:05] package detail info for newt on linuxpackages.net [05:05] something like dialog for consoles [05:05] alisonken1noc: ew ew ew .. whats the deal with linking lp.net? [05:05] Zordrak: only the package details :) blame mancha [05:06] alisonken1noc , thanks [05:06] Action: mancha takes the blame and refers complaintant to clause 69 of the civil code [05:08] alisonken1noc: Tried this http://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/slackware/slackware-13.0/ [05:08] same result [05:12] you commented the other mirrors and uncommented that one, then ran "slackpkg update" again? [05:12] Yes,yes [05:13] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/ [05:13] Your link also doesn't work [05:13] Probably it's a problem for slackpkg , [05:14] cyptrix (n=cyptrix@ppp118-209-28-14.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:16] hey, has anyone ever come in here having a problem with the stock Slack 13 kernel on an AMD CPU? ie having the it freeze during kernel init for the installer [05:16] LInux-IRC: are you running slackpkg as root or as a regular user? [05:17] merciful (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:17] FrankD: try adding "noapic noacpi" at the boot [05:17] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [05:18] cyptrix (n=cyptrix@ppp118-209-28-14.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:18] alisonken1noc: Being root , su , password: [05:18] cyptrix (n=cyptrix@ppp118-209-28-14.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:18] gutts (n=gutts@ns21888.ovh.net) joined ##slackware. [05:18] try "su -" (space dash) so root imports the root environment settings [05:18] avash (n=avash@113.199.142.23) joined ##slackware. [05:18] alison: nope, even tried nolapic :P i resolved the issue by popping my own kernel in, just wanted to see if anyone else ran into it [05:18] linXea: hey [05:19] alison: and a few other kernel options, although noapic kinda implies nolapic admittedly [05:19] and noacpi? [05:19] FrankD: ^^ [05:19] alison: yeah, but i think its actually acpi=off iirc [05:19] cyptrix (n=cyptrix@ppp118-209-28-14.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) left ##slackware. [05:19] I always did "huge.s noapic noacpi" and it seemed to work for me [05:20] alison: i dunno what options they had set for that kernel, but yeah, one of my machines hated it [05:20] alison: phenom ii 940, AMD 770/SB660 mobo, i think it failed right after detecting the first CPU [05:20] er SB600 [05:21] avash (n=avash@113.199.142.23) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [05:21] alison: Oh i also tried "nosmp" [05:22] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.82.63) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:24] alisonken1noc: Same result [05:25] Linux-IRC: not sure then, since it works for me [05:25] alienBOB: slackpkg install pidgin or xpdf doesn't work [05:25] But slackpkg remove works [05:25] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [05:29] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.36.115) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:29] Axius (n=ade@92.82.92.181) left irc: "Leaving" [05:30] try "slackpkg download pidgin" or "slackpkg download xpdf" and see what happens [05:31] No packages match the pattern for download. [05:32] After slackpkg update getting this type of error http://pastebin.com/m4daf276c [05:32] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-wjukzhpfizfoouwp) joined ##slackware. [05:32] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:32] ok - then that means your "slackpkg update" did not update [05:32] how much space do you have in your /tmp directory? (try df --local and see what / shows) [05:33] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:34] 281M available [05:34] doing df -h [05:34] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:46] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [05:49] Hermann (n=Hermannn@c-fd51e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [05:50] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [05:55] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.13.160) joined ##slackware. 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[06:10] alienBOB: slackpkg is ok , now there was multiple mirrors file, mirrors and mirrors.new [06:10] May be that creates the problem, that prevents slackpkg update [06:12] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@unaffiliated/easy) left irc: Client Quit [06:14] Hermann (n=Hermannn@c-fd51e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:15] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [06:20] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.105.39) joined ##slackware. [06:21] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [06:21] in re-compiling, HP proliant ML150 , do i have to explicitly identify all the low level RAID and SAS drivers, or will mkinitrd solve the problem of kernel panic , append a root= error? [06:26] farchanjo (n=Brazil@g3.alog.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:26] rfdrew (n=rfdrew@230-104-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.3 Shiny(svn-3438) http://www.kvirc.net" [06:27] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.46.203) joined ##slackware. [06:29] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.13.160) joined ##slackware. [06:29] devafree: you need to compile-in any drivers you need, or specify them as additional modules to mkinitrd [06:29] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.13.160) left irc: Client Quit [06:29] this is only required for any hardware underneath the / (root) file system [06:30] everything else will be detected later so long as the necessary drivers are compiled as (M) in the kernel [06:32] yasu (n=adminroo@tetkyo033107.tkyo.te.ftth2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [06:32] cteg_ (n=heretic@dyndsl-085-016-205-149.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [06:32] AtuM (n=damjan@BSN-77-157-221.dsl.siol.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:32] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.13.160) joined ##slackware. [06:32] Zordrak, ok I am missing something here in the RAID / SCSI Card i think, since i need to know the module exactly in any of these methods, might as well read the dmesg better and try again, brb.. and thank you [06:32] np [06:34] yasu (n=adminroo@tetkyo033107.tkyo.te.ftth2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) left ##slackware. [06:34] is there a problem if i simply YES all the RAID / SAS modules into the ke4rnel image ( i mean will it cause system instability / load )? [06:35] it will increase the size of your kernel which can hurt performance [06:35] one more thing , i did a cp .config originally. Even if i do a make oldconfig and then make xconfig, the kernel panic error happens [06:35] but how come the orig kernel image boots fine? [06:35] did you copy the generic or the huge? [06:36] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:95) joined ##slackware. [06:36] sn18 (n=sunnynar@115.113.116.37) joined ##slackware. [06:36] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.13.160) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:36] IceChant (n=icechant@109.160.158.53) joined ##slackware. [06:36] ni.. i boot in the first time , cd /usr/src/linus-2.6.x and cp .config .. [06:36] iirc thats the generic [06:37] but the default kernel image you boot is huge [06:37] look at /boot [06:37] theres a config for huge and a config for generic (and others) [06:37] generic is the *right* one to use [06:37] huge is used for installation to mwake sure the installer works on as much hardware as possible [06:37] ok , i check now and be back in a ferw [06:37] few mins [06:40] the dmesg shows all the drivers present , how to check what the actual one being used is , i have to fiure it out [06:43] uname -a [06:43] are you in generic or huge right nowL [06:43] s/L/?/ [06:45] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-127-006.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:46] holy shit, does anyone here have a fast raid array? [06:46] FrankD: very [06:46] Zord: how fast? [06:46] define fast [06:46] uhh exceeding the speed of RAM in my first computer [06:47] khaladu_kj (n=kiran@seepzgw.mumbai.geodesic.com) joined ##slackware. [06:47] no.. tis a redundancy raid.. not a striper [06:48] nevermind, thats not fast at all, just realized 30 pin SIMMs only had an 8 bit data bus [06:48] impy (n=impy@host86-167-133-56.range86-167.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:49] hmm.. but yet it has a southbrdge thats capable of faster transmisson? [06:49] sorry , was away , i re-did xconfig qand rebooting ... , i had missed Compaq Smart2 HP CCiSS , so now let me check [06:49] devafree: lspci -v will list your active hardware and the modules in use [06:49] impy (n=impy@host86-167-133-56.range86-167.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [06:50] my shitty southbridge is limiting my throughput! [06:50] :) [06:50] i should be getting 480mb/s for a pair, im only averaging 320 or so [06:50] anyone have a spare pcie x4 sas/sata controller? :P [06:51] i think i need 3 more, gotta break 1gb/s [06:51] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.13.160) joined ##slackware. [06:51] FrankD: how about spending the money on a better motherboard.. [06:51] Zordrak : kewl , it has booted up [06:51] and it was booting the huge only originally [06:51] Zord: meh, onboard raid is always gonna be shitty anyway :P not like the SB750 is any better than the SB600 in terms of throughput [06:52] devafree: right [06:52] FrankD: hence why i work from 3ware 9560SE-12ML cards [06:52] 348s? [06:53] 348? [06:53] what do they use for a cpu? [06:54] cant remember OTTOMH.. [06:54] is it SAS? [06:55] no, sata [06:55] some kind of amcc risk thing [06:55] *risc [06:56] paissad-hp (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:56] Hermann (n=Hermannn@c-fd51e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [06:57] ahh cool [06:57] FrankD: currently set up for 3TB RAID61 [06:57] (12TB raw) [06:57] ok , i got it now Compaq , LSI logic and Fusion MPT SAS , not SCSI [06:57] \o/ [06:58] lol, i will re-compile again , at least i have a 'safe' (hopefully! , recompiled kernel for now [06:58] devafree: have i pointed you at my blog post on this yet? [06:58] how to get the .config for the huge kernel , to do a make oldconfig ? [06:58] Zordrak ; nope, brand new here [06:59] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/slackware-kernel-compile-guide/ [06:59] Zordak: that's a LOT of storage.. :P [07:00] the huge kernel config is in /boot [07:00] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [07:00] Zordrak ; gr8, gr8 , what i am looking for [07:00] copy your working config somewhere safe first, then "make mrproper" in the src directory before putting a new config in place [07:00] FrankD: indeedily [07:01] very nice [07:01] i have a mere 80GB in this array :( [07:01] FrankD: and i can simultaneously lose 12 of the 16 disks and the server will still be up and running so long as its the right disks [07:01] Zordrak ; i stopped doing the mrproper , because the modules part then takes a very long time, i simply do a make clean instead [07:01] lol [07:01] thats ridiculous :) [07:01] awesomely ridiculous [07:01] the word you are looking for... is AWESOME [07:01] haha indeed [07:02] Zordrak , thanks see you again later .. [07:02] devafree (i=kannan@122.165.250.150) left irc: [07:02] FrankD: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/high-availability-storage-with-slackware-drbd-pacemaker/ [07:02] 200GB with 1.2GB/s sequential throughput is gonna be pretty awesome too though :) [07:02] indeed [07:02] even better with SSDs [07:03] these are SSDs, no mech drive is getting 240mb/s heh [07:04] nice [07:04] i take it youve seen the samsund ssd demo with 24 (iirc) SSDs all striped [07:04] the new Kingstons, pretty cheap.. $130 for 40GB, Intel controller/5 channels of 34nm flash [07:04] no, but i read the toms hardware review with a crapload of Intel X25Es [07:05] 2GB/s [07:05] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dWOEa4Djs [07:06] toms got 3.4gb/s [07:06] with 16 X25-Es [07:06] hit the vid [07:07] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) joined ##slackware. [07:07] this guy is ridiculous [07:07] he lost me at the part where he soldered 2 1000w PSUs together [07:07] what the hell is that for :P [07:08] power's gotta come from somewhere [07:08] the whole 45w that the drives take? 1000w would power both those CPUs and both the 4870x2s probably haha [07:10] sQuEE (n=narya@host80.201-252-49.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:11] haha entertaining [07:13] "To achieve best performance one graphics card was removed as it was drawing too muhc power from the Skulltrail PCI-e bus despite the excessive power available, causing the Archea RAID BIOS to fail to initialise" [07:13] ^ actually pretty interesting considering the 4870x2 doesnt draw immense amounts of power at idle [07:13] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:13] does at boot ti e [07:13] *boot time [07:13] Nick change: cteg_ -> cteg [07:14] they reached peak performance with a 65mb "data blob" [07:14] then goes on to say, peak figure reached while testing at 62.51mb read size using 8 grunt workers [07:14] is that 62.5 striped across 24? cause if so that sounds more like burst rate [07:14] not sure.. look through the data burst at the end of the vid [07:15] sirslacker (n=aligp@p54B156F3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:15] i think i could settle for 1.2gb/s heh [07:17] TBH i settle for velociRaptors in RAID1.. because in the end linux is so rarely limited by data transfer .. as opposed to windows where its reading and writing to disk a zillion times a minute because of that ridiculous mess of an overgromn berkeley DB they dare to call the registry [07:17] Axius (n=fim@92.85.214.64) joined ##slackware. [07:17] you think [07:18] smica (n=smica@h128-254.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [07:18] farchanjo (n=Brazil@g3.alog.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:20] Hermann (n=Hermannn@c-fd51e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:20] lol [07:21] main point of this raid array is for fast game load times, especially between levels :) [07:21] windows then :) [07:21] thinking about doing a trio for the "server" though [07:21] which gets occasionally used as a dev box [07:21] and irc bitch box, haha [07:22] yea, windows on that machine 95% of the time, the other 5% is linux boots to fix windows [07:25] i look at drive speeds for how i look at cpu speed - you only need a fast cpu 5% of the time, but that 5% of the time you want it to be damn fast.. this is of course in the context of workstations [07:25] all depends on budget [07:25] so yeah, my linux box isnt normally io bottlenecked.. but its usually not ANYTHING bottlenecked, however when it IS IO bottlenecked i want to kill someone [07:26] 700mb/s and 120gb for $450 including controller using software raid [07:26] pricey, kinda.. worth it? imo, yeah, id rather do that for my primary linux box than upgrade the cpu [07:27] price:aggravation reduction ratio is good :) [07:27] Action: Zordrak is more bothered about buying food and electricity atm [07:29] yeah, i had a little extra money to burn on toys.. it was this or a mobo for the gaming machine (AMD770/SB600 + Phenom II 945 = meh) + cpu for the 'server' [07:29] well that, or strippers [07:29] i felt that this was probably the most productive of the options [07:33] hyke (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[08:25] don't you get a nice list in your irc client? [08:26] I removed some packages from kde, now can't get kdm to login , so did id:3 from inittab now i'm from console mode [08:27] Which package am i missing ? [08:27] the ones you unistalled [08:27] which packages did you uninstall? [08:27] Haha... Yeah, you removed them, you should know :-) [08:27] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.31) joined ##slackware. [08:27] I took the motor out of my car, and now it doesn't start. which part do I need? [08:27] Linux-IRC: hard to tell without dependency management, try ldd on the gdm binary. that'll tell if you it's missing any libs [08:28] I removed some packages , not only one package, [08:28] Linux-IRC, yes, we need to know *which* [08:28] removed kdeadmin,PyQt,qt, [08:28] qt is needed [08:28] of course, kde needs qt to function at all [08:28] ffs [08:29] Now kdeadmin is installed from dvd [08:29] kdeadmin is useless imo. all those things are better done from cli [08:29] from /var/log/packages/ , ls -l | grep kdm displays nothing [08:29] How would i install kdm [08:30] kdm is from kdebase-workspace [08:30] vvoody (n=wxj_g_sh@116.225.16.243) joined ##slackware. [08:30] vvoody (n=wxj_g_sh@116.225.16.243) left ##slackware. [08:30] sahk0: kdebase-workspace is installed [08:30] Linux-IRC, you have it installed, it can't operate without qt [08:30] seriously, don't remove packages, you are not smart enough for it [08:31] Ok, now i'm going to install qt [08:31] Is it possible to play video files from console mode,i'm from console mode irssi [08:32] or audio,.chm,.pdf files [08:32] you can do pretty much everything [08:32] alienBOB: ^ [08:32] sahk0: Can you read .chm or .pdf files? [08:33] yes but dont ask me how. im not willing to tell you [08:33] sahk0: i doubt [08:33] doubt what? [08:33] sahk0: Can you play video and audio files ? [08:33] slackbox (i=nocturna@was.denied-inter.net) got netsplit. [08:33] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@priv.zoubi.org) got netsplit. [08:33] Kowalczyk (n=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.be) got netsplit. [08:33] _slax0r_ (n=fire@2001:15c0:66ca:0:0:0:0:b4) got netsplit. [08:33] aiiiiiii (i=petrich@Tribalero.Atlantica.US) got netsplit. 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[08:53] [19:19] Nick | Linux-IRC [08:53] [19:19] Host | n=jaz@unaffiliated/zordrak [08:53] o_O [08:53] Next time Linux-IRC pings me needlessly about his installation problems, I will kick him [08:54] alienBOB: \o/ [08:54] alienBOB: can you confirm that akonadi is broken in current since yesterday? i sent an email to Pat about it but havent heard back. despite the fact that he did earlier about k3b. thats if youre not busy ofc [08:54] init[1]: I was checking if his nick is registered [08:54] sadly it is [08:55] this is what i get http://pastebin.com/d69bd5f3 [08:56] god day :) [08:56] needs a rebuild for boost [08:56] good* [08:56] slayeriq (n=Achmad@dc5146905c.adsl.wanadoo.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:56] Zordrak: ah nvm , IRC has sooo much mumbo jumbos ...:) [08:58] hello [08:59] slayeriq: hi [08:59] anyone here uses irssi ? [08:59] slayeriq: most of them , what is the issue ? [09:00] farchanjo (n=Brazil@g3.alog.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:00] is it possible to save the window setup i dont want to resize my windows everytime i open irssi [09:00] slayeriq: "/layout save" and "save" ? [09:00] that will also open the channel next time i open irssi ? [09:00] layout != autojoin. [09:01] thx [09:01] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [09:02] slayeriq: ~/.irssi/config might help you with that. [09:02] thanks ill take a look [09:02] ... [09:03] I'll use irssi. but not into that autojoin stuff:) I like to join manually :) [09:03] init[1]: you're really good at just shouting vaguely related terms without actually being helpful, aren't you? [09:03] ^noticed that too [09:03] BP{k}: i was talking about autojoin [09:03] multiple times [09:03] lol [09:04] i was able to follow init i knew he was talking about autojoin [09:04] slayeriq: http://irssi.org/documentation/startup you can read a bit about the settings here :) [09:04] init[1]: I suggest you go into #irssi and tell about editing the config file directly. I have seen irssi-dev stab people with steampowered titanium sporks for sugginsting directo config file editing [09:06] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:06] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [09:08] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-86-253.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [09:08] here [09:08] BP{k}: well,editing config file help me though ,well just mentioned what i knew , and worked , i didn't mean to put slayeriq into trouble,any way no body is perfect enough to follow all standard ways to do things :) [09:08] mornin [09:08] hi [09:08] morning [09:09] morning where do you guys live :p [09:09] init[1]: note, I wrote about the irssi-devs opinion, which is not nescecarilly *my* opinion on this matter. ;) [09:09] is there a program which let's you message the console, like a general purpose biff? [09:09] hallo mf [09:09] agentc0re: moirn. [09:10] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [09:10] http://my.opera.com/amnith/blog/2009/04/13/auto-connect-and-auto-join-channels-on-startup-in-irssi [09:10] i found the info i needed there :) [09:10] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [09:11] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-181-108.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:11] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [09:12] slayeriq: nice :) [09:13] 0.8.14 ? [09:15] hmm i think im using 0.8.10 [09:15] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [09:15] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:15] but those commands do not change every version i think so they should work on all [09:15] BP{k}: read that news link you posted... wow. some people dude. [09:15] devafree (i=kannan@122.165.250.150) joined ##slackware. [09:15] agentc0re: aye. [09:17] slayeriq (n=Achmad@dc5146905c.adsl.wanadoo.nl) left irc: "leaving" [09:17] hello all, Zordrak . I followed the steps in your blog, very useful got the config from huge-smp, and find that it also simply marks YES to all Low Level Drivers (* in menuconfig), so i decided to continue with the 'safe' re-compiled kernel, as i have done the same thing :) [09:18] BP{k}: i'm sure that sign is pretty large too. how the hell do you hide something like that and where would you place it? [09:19] devafree: thing is.. oure making a larger kernel than you need. you said before you got ceneric to boot with just some of them.. then theyre all you need [09:19] dont waste resources on the rest [09:20] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [09:20] Zordrak: hey, with your raid60 do you have the two separate servers hooked up? Fiber, Ethernet? is it done by iscsi? [09:20] err raid61 [09:21] Zordrak, Ok will do that then [09:21] RAID61 [09:21] eryeah [09:22] the servers have a crossover cable on the spare GigE ports [09:22] Gotcha. [09:22] private subnet on that crossover *just* for drbd [09:22] agentc0re: yeah, and why would you want to have it. [09:23] and you have it so that if one dies, the other picks up the slack right? and all of this is just using DBRD? [09:23] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [09:23] no.. that bit is pacemaker [09:23] well.. "the pacemaker stack" [09:23] drbd keeps the data duplicated, pacemaker on corosync handles service and IP failover [09:24] icarus_ (n=icarus@82.211.203.74) joined ##slackware. [09:24] eg, each has its own IP for the main network so i can get into them individually.. but theres a third IP which is only assigned to the active machine [09:24] and pacemaker handles swapping the IP to the other box if it becomes active [09:25] BP{k}: ya, i'm trying to think why. I'm trying to think of a good why, but cause some people have good initiative bad judgment thoughts. Stole it for someone he/she knew that was effected by it? Maybe a(or multiple) Jew didn't like it and wanted it gone. [09:25] Anyone got some quick trouble-shooting tips for when a slack-desc file isn't showing up during installation or in pkgtools ? (the file is inside the install dir when packaged, it's called 'slack-desc', it's got 11 lines and they don't overflow) [09:25] I dunno. but a very weird thing to do. [09:25] along with the drbd swapover, the stopping and starting of nfs, samba etc [09:26] agentc0re: I fear the motive will turn out to be much more sinister/dark. :( [09:26] icarus_: check that the "Name: " prefixes to each line are correct and the same as the package name [09:26] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.17.158) joined ##slackware. [09:26] icarus_: show me the slack-desc on a pastebin + the application name [09:28] yesyes: man talk(1)/write(1) [09:28] BP{k}: it's like this, http://bit.ly/7M3as1 seriously.. wtf? [09:28] BP{k}: there we go http://pastebin.org/66389 thanks :) [09:28] init[1]: $ man 1 {talk,write} [09:29] bp{k}: oh, package name is included there as well. [09:29] Zordrak: :D [09:29] _dfrank_ (n=dfrank@94.19.35.79) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:29] Zordrak: Ah. gotcha. [09:30] icarus_: the problem is not the slack-desck. The problem is your packagename. Slackware uses "-" as delimiters, so slackware now things that your pacakge name is libdgiplus-2.6 [09:30] Zordrak: did you make or are there slackbuilds for the software you use? [09:31] icarus_: make your TAG (aka what you now have as -jwm) with an underscore so it reads "libdigplus-2.6-x86_64-1_jwm [09:31] grazymax (n=grazymax@host25-25-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:31] that's all ? really ? ;) [09:31] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.30.235) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:31] agentc0re: its all on the blog.. slackbuilds and all [09:31] drbd slackbuild is the only one thats gone into SBo so far [09:32] icarus_: hehe that's all as far as I can see. ;) Slackware packages follow the convention of $PRGNAM-$VERSION-$ARCH-$BUILD$TAG [09:32] th pacemaker builds are fine as they are.. but i recommend updating them to the latest mercurial heads [09:32] agentc0re: heh, some really sad gits on the world .. [09:32] BP{k}: Ah, very tricky though ;) I'll try rolling it again, thanks ! [09:33] icarus_: np. Good luck :) [09:34] BP{k}: yup, that was it. yay ^^ [09:35] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [09:35] init[1]: thanks, found them in the end. i kinda wanted it formatted like the new mail you get on the command line. wall and talk are the backup plans now, thanks. [09:35] yesyes: np :) [09:35] Zordrak: thanks. i've been thinking about ditching server 2003 storage edition for something like that. Lately it's been pissing me right the fsck off. Probably not so much windows related but lately i'm wondering if part of the problems could be.. i dunno. [09:35] impy (n=impy@host86-167-133-56.range86-167.btcentralplus.com) left irc: [09:35] Zordrak: i freaking hate these servers... been nothing but trouble since we got them. [09:37] im with you there.. windows and serious server functions just arent fun [09:37] BP{k}: ya, tell me about it. I stopped watching the news a long time ago but i tend to stumble across things from time to time. The latest one was this Housing Association not wanting to allow this 92 yr old WWII vet to fly the US flag from a 25ft flag poll. [09:37] Zordrak: Yeah..try to do any kind of non-basic AD setup in anything BUT Windows [09:37] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.95.226.226) joined ##slackware. [09:38] Zordrak: I've hard hardware failure's up the ass. It's really not been fun. Yesterday, one drive was rebuilding and it made the whole server just start throwing up. I pulled it out and let the spare rebuild instead and now it's fine... [09:39] agentc0re: thankfully that part of it is all handled by 3ware in this case [09:40] Zordrak: Well it has a p800 HP raid card in there. These are some high end servers... i just don't know wtf to think anymore. i is burnt out. [09:40] *nod* [09:40] personally: [09:41] LAST DAY AT WORK THIS YEAR!! WOO!! [09:41] Zordrak: Nice, lucky you. We only get the 25th and 1st off. [09:42] maybe a half day on the 24th and it'll probably be a full day on the 31st. [09:42] gerrh (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [09:42] i get 25,26,31,1 as bank holiday.. and am forced to use 3 of my holidy days for 28,29,30.. but ive also booked the start of next week off to start my holiday early [09:43] agentc0re, which country? [09:43] alreadygone: US. [09:43] but then i am on call 24x7 for every day of the year except 25,26,1# [09:43] hmm [09:44] by that i mea.. except christmas day, boxing day and new years day [09:44] so im on call 24x7x362 [09:45] brbrbr (n=z@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [09:45] that sucks Zordrak [09:46] ya, me and my co-worker are on the same type of on call. [09:46] meh.. i run a tight ship.. and any time im asked to work outside of core hours i take off when i feel [09:46] but our on call is dumb. it shouldn't exist. i get called for the stupidest things. [09:46] plus cause the core network is all slackware.. theres very little to call me about [09:47] even then i can deal with nearly anything from home thanks to a slack64-hosted openvpn server [09:50] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:50] Zordrak: Oh dealing with things is not a problem. It's the calls i get that just are... wtf are you calling me at 10pm for this? We have a lot of people who work from home that shouldn't. We're a 8-5pm shop really but the ones that work from home work on their own time which turns into my time. rarely do i get calls from Doc's when they are on call them selves for the hospital and they need help. [09:51] Zordrak: and even when i do, those calls can be dumb. I got called over the weekend once because the speakers on this doc's laptop weren't working... [09:51] same kinda thing here.. except they know not to call me unless its urgent enough to be worth incurring my wrath [09:51] stupid self-important doctors [09:52] Zordrak: they were spoiled rotten before me.. it's been extremely hard to break this(doc or not). [09:55] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [09:55] anyways... :P [09:56] impy (n=impy@host86-167-133-56.range86-167.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [09:57] corey1 (n=corey@ppp-69-214-11-9.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:59] agentc0re: I'm amazed you can handle such things. I probably wouldn't be able to control my temper if some arse showed so little consideration as to call me on a weekend for something which can easily be fixed later. [10:00] aigon (n=jfo@92.82.75.143) joined ##slackware. [10:01] icarus_: well i didn't answer the phone in that case, it went to voicemail. I didn't call him back until monday. I don't answer that phone anymore, and if the voicemail doesn't warranty an emergency than i don't call them back until business hours. [10:01] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:01] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [10:03] aigon (n=jfo@92.82.75.143) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:04] cteg (n=heretic@dyndsl-085-016-205-149.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:04] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [10:04] Borked (n=root@41.233.179.243) joined ##slackware. [10:04] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:04] Borked kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: unixfool: Using an IRC client as root is very dangerous. Please create a user account and return to the channel under it. [10:04] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@adsl-99-55-164-59.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:04] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [10:05] think of these calls as opportunities to help fellow human beings... I mean you guys help people here on this channel... and a lot of questions are newbie questions... but someone answers, almost always. I would answer such calls unless I am busy. [10:06] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-181-108.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:06] Action: BP{k} serisouly wonders if alreadygone has /ever/ worked in an IT support enviroment. [10:06] :] [10:07] alreadygone: bwehehe.. You honestly believe that ? =P .. I guess it's got to do with the attitude of a person. If they understand they're *asking* for help and nobody's *obliged* to give it to them, then everything's fine. But there are some people (especially in job positions) that act as if it's their divine right to require help at any hour on any day. I'm guessing that's where the problem is at [10:07] get back to work IT slave [10:07] s/some/a lot of/ [10:07] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:07] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-181-108.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:08] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [10:09] I understand that icarus_ ... people who ask for help like they OWN you... they piss me off too [10:09] that said, when questions are asked among equals with no pressure to answer them, I can understand your position. If I know something I'd try to help as well. [10:09] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-99-37-156-191.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:10] I agree [10:10] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Client Quit [10:12] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: "Switching irssi clients to local" [10:12] tediosu (n=blah@217.146.88.13) left ##slackware. [10:13] bye guys, it's 8 pm, and it's movie time =) [10:13] bye [10:13] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [10:13] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.13.160) left irc: "Leaving" [10:14] A question to people in general: You actually use Slackware in work positions and (I take it) manage installations with custom packages ? [10:15] icarus_ I know of many of such [10:15] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: "leaving" [10:16] wow, I'd just think that would be a huge security risk. No offense meant to slackware packagers or professional users, but. Compared to say Debian, isn't it hard to keep it safe ? [10:19] Weird0ne (n=julianm@endeavor.jdrush.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:22] devafree (i=kannan@122.165.250.150) left irc: [10:22] makerc (n=godzila@unaffiliated/makerc) joined ##slackware. [10:24] icarus_: what are you talking about. Security risk? [10:24] icarus_: yes Debian is really safe .. *cough* openssl *cough* [10:25] chomp chomp [10:25] I do not consider debian safer than Slackware [10:25] icarus_: i would trust slackware before i would trust debian thats for sure! [10:25] most all major distros keep up on security stuff [10:25] icarus_: security is not static. It's a constant developping process that needs to be reviewed and adapted when/whereever possible [10:26] yep [10:26] too many cooks spoil the brew, and debian has a hell of a lot of cooks [10:26] if you [surely]NEED security - try OpenBSD instead or QNX [10:27] yeah, 25000 packages are big repo ;) [10:27] Wow brbrbr are you entering here just to troll? [10:27] Pig_Pen: I knew that explained my love for single cask malts ;) [10:28] malt whiskey? scotch? [10:29] or beer? [10:29] malt _whisky_ [10:29] BP{k}: you're saying slackware wasn't hit by any of the insecurities of openssl (I have no idea, personally. Which is why I'm asking) [10:29] whiskey without the e, that be the scotch [10:30] icarus_: it certainly wasn't hit by insecurities of openssl introduced by debian devs, no. [10:30] BP{k}: ah, well.. I guess patching can back-fire at times.. But that seems to be Red Hat/Fedora moreso than Debian :) [10:31] Pig_Pen: indeed. :) I have a nice bottle of Ardbeg sitting here for Christmas Eve :D. It's going to be good :) [10:32] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:32] i should get some, i dont get a bottle of scotch often, but with christmas coming up soon i dont want houseguests choking on my 190 proof [10:33] Pig_Pen: buy johny walker red label for your houseguests ;) [10:33] alienBOB why/how/what for ? what you mean under "just troll" ? there are other ways of trolling ? please tell me [10:34] you guys seem more like alcoholics then geeks [10:34] haha [10:34] but point is, yes, less attack surface - more security [10:34] and only OpenBSD guys use Real security STRATERY [10:35] Scuzz: haha nah. I just like a good quality drink ;) [10:35] i cant blame ya there [10:35] Scuzz: and that hipflask is pure decorational dammit! ;-) [10:35] i guess thats WHY they be attacked by mastrubating on Microsoft monkey, named Linus [10:35] hahah [10:35] brbrbr: what? [10:35] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:36] i bet brbrbr is a code name for Theo [10:36] Action: brbrbr mean thats many L-UX distros teams take security as secondary goal and have NO straregy, just tactic [10:36] Theo ? who is it ? [10:37] you're an idiot [10:37] either you or your god [10:37] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:37] wery smart statement, tnx [10:37] WTF is a L-UX distro? [10:37] brbrbr: gofuckyourself and die [10:37] L-UX==Linux [10:37] I've neverseen Linux called L-UX [10:37] Pig_Pen what for, bitch ? [10:38] Action: brbrbr slaps Pig_Pen by nazi casket [10:38] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*n=z@*unaffiliated/brbrbr' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [10:38] brbrbr kicked from ##slackware by alienBOB: alienBOB [10:38] Bye now [10:38] what a wierdo [10:38] thanks alienBOB he needed to go [10:38] nazi casket ? [10:39] bah , its better i dont know [10:39] Pig_Pen: next time, try different phrases in a public channel [10:39] I'd hate to kick you too [10:39] ok [10:40] i shall refrain from using profanities [10:40] Pig_Pen: if it makes you feel better i almost spit out my coffee laughing when i seen it [10:40] lol [10:41] mods really do bring out the best in people (refer to Pig_Pen's sudden change in language and style) [10:41] icarus_: No..only those who care [10:41] i usually try to keep my language rated G but that brbrbr angered me, i would have popped him one on the nose if he was acting that way in person around me [10:42] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [10:43] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:43] i dont work in IT or even around computers, i am taking a winter break since i got a good bonus in november, i work construction [10:43] jhw_ (n=jhw@p548F77B3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:43] straterra: I beg to differ. brbrbr vanished, if that's the best he can be ... ? ;) [10:43] i will call the boss and tell him to put me to work in feb or march [10:44] holy moly, current updates [10:47] damn... i completely missed out on a troll [10:49] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:49] I find it a little wierd though. The AM-US/Internet definition for a troll is any person who brings criticism of any kind to a public place ? Sure, we can agree he quickly went ahead to treat people with little respect, but it was in response to less than kind comments on his view. And does anyone here really believe that very single Linux distro out there is put together by people who are security-minded ? [10:50] its a continuum. everyone is concerned. but how much. how much ease of use vs. security [10:50] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [10:51] has anyone noticed a throughput performance regression with 2.6.32 and Intel e1000 ? 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[10:52] yo all [10:52] im trying to upgrade via slackpkg and i see mirrors, for example belnet is not upgdated to latest current packages :( [10:52] i guess if i was running a high traffic server that served a lot of contraversial content that angered people i would want the most secure system possible, but if it was benine information that only helped people security would still be an issue but not as stringent [10:52] Scuzz: I'm talking about previously being able to hit ~25-30MB/s between two gigabit hosts and now barely maxing at 11MB/s [10:52] which mirror would be up-to-date [10:53] acidtripper: try osuosl or tds [10:53] osuosl = oregon state university [10:54] Oregon state university open source lab [10:54] they are kept updated frequently and are fast servers [10:54] tds is fast [10:55] i'll see if tds is updated to current [10:55] it is acidtripper [10:55] ok, there im doing slackpkg update [10:56] belnet and funet weren't [10:56] tds doesn't have kde 4.3.4 [10:57] added on Dec 17 [10:57] and amarok, etc. [10:57] nvision (n=nvision@g229053027.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:58] antiwire: i dont know if this is related to your problem but i was reading an artice on linux magazine about the cfq schedular in kernel 2.6.32 and througput performance [10:58] acidtripper: tds has 64 current updated [10:58] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/ [10:59] i was using that scuzz [10:59] and it's not updated!! take a look [10:59] wtf [10:59] its updated but packages are not recognized to upgrade [11:00] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:01] maybe i was using another tds mirror :O [11:03] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:04] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:04] thinkingcapon (n=thinking@h146.211.40.162.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [11:04] it's weird couse on changelog latest version of gcc is 4.4.2 and its installing 4.3 from that mirror :S [11:05] thinkingcapon (n=thinking@h146.211.40.162.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:05] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:07] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:08] nvision (n=nvision@g229053027.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:09] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:11] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [11:11] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.31) left irc: [11:13] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [11:13] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-241.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [11:14] nvision (n=nvision@g229053027.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:14] acidtripper: you did see "testing/packages/gcc-4.4.2" there I hope? [11:14] Testing packages are not installed by slackpkg by default [11:14] lol, didn't [11:15] i know, i have just woke up :P [11:15] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [11:16] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.95.226.226) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:16] nvision (n=nvision@g229053027.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:16] more like tripping on acid :P [11:17] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [11:17] khaladu_kj (n=kiran@seepzgw.mumbai.geodesic.com) left irc: "Leaving" [11:18] _dermoth (n=dermoth@205.151.111.9) joined ##slackware. [11:21] noope! spook waiting for xmans [11:21] xmas [11:21] nvision (n=nvision@g229053027.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:23] nvision (n=nvision@g229053027.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:26] hehehe [11:30] mm.. x-mas [11:30] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:32] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.22) joined ##slackware. [11:32] gutts (n=gutts@ns21888.ovh.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:35] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-12-213-191.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:37] BAWDOK` (n=godzila@201-43-13-254.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:37] BAWDOK` (n=godzila@201-43-13-254.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:43] cap (n=cap@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [11:43] I don't find a slackbuild for the 3 [11:44] impy (n=impy@host86-167-133-56.range86-167.btcentralplus.com) left irc: [11:44] for the xf86-video-intel-2.9.1 driver [11:44] But maybe I'm just unable to find it. [11:45] don't know if that's the right ver, but look in X [11:45] It's a Dell laptop with "Intel 82852/855GM" vidoe chip. [11:46] And new 13.0 instal. [11:46] madbear_ (n=dude@c83-253-152-125.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [11:46] mancha: Was that for me? [11:46] or for whoever else that answer applies, i'm not picky [11:47] To tell the truth, I'm not even sure what I running on now, but assueme it is the generic vesa driver. [11:47] iirc sw-13 goes up to 2.8.1, you'd have to make your own for later [11:47] How to "look in X"? [11:47] ok, let's start over... [11:48] you said you wanted to find a slackbuild, i assume that means for compilation purposes but i might be completely off. do you simply want to have the intel driver used that comes with slack 13? [11:48] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [11:48] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:48] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:48] If I can find it with slackpkg, that'd be great.. [11:49] didn't you install the X package when you installed your slack 13? [11:49] if so, you have it in there. now the question is how to make X start up using it.... [11:49] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [11:50] Oh, I see that I have "xf86-video-intel-2.8.0-i486-1 installed. [11:50] I did full [11:50] yes, as i mentioned. [11:50] from USB [11:50] can you pastebin the output from: grep LoadModule /var/log/Xorg.0.log [11:51] Some of the quirky stuff is clearing up as we speak. [11:51] Maybe it was because of updates? [11:51] i.e what is the issue exactly? is something wrong or are you just guessing you have vesa? [11:51] we need a "problem statement" [11:51] Some of the icons were just bits of the images in horizontal lines. [11:51] But I see that is not the case now.. [11:52] "problem statement"? [11:52] What's that? [11:52] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Client Quit [11:53] Earlier I saw the battery and wicd icons as just some horizontal lines. [11:53] But looks ok now. [11:53] I (erroniously) assumed there was a problem with display drivers. [11:54] okay, here's a tip [11:54] But, when running with no xorg.conf file, how does one tell what video driver is being used? Anyone know? [11:54] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Client Quit [11:54] if all looks good on the display...then you upgrade stuff....and stuff looks shitty, i would take as a first guess that something that was upgraded messed things up [11:55] /etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory [11:55] i also answered how to do that a bit earlier...but reading is hard [11:55] j0z_ (n=j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [11:56] j0z (n=j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:56] you said look in X? [11:57] And I asked how to look in X. [11:57] no, not that line [11:57] try again [11:57] Would it not be easier to repeat it? [11:58] I got my synaptics driver to work :) [11:58] grep LoadModule aahhh [11:59] mancha: Was that it? LoadModule? [11:59] If so; Could you elaborate on it just a bit? [12:00] grep LoadModule _______? [12:01] What file? [12:01] makerc (n=godzila@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:02] it's all in the line i typed [12:02] So type it again. [12:02] no thanks [12:02] or just hit the up arrow a few times. [12:03] madbear (n=dude@c83-253-152-125.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:03] john_dee (n=id@95-29-8-190.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:04] mancha: Are we still tryint to answer the question; How do I tell what video driver is beeing used when there is no xorg.conf file? [12:05] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!n=root@* expired. [12:05] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [12:06] mancha: You said "look in X". Is that it? [12:06] yes [12:06] no, i said another line, you were making progress with picking the right line i typed and now regressed [12:08] /var/log/packages/X... something? [12:10] mancha: You seem to be more interested in being cryptic and playing guessing games than sharing information. [12:10] farchanjo (n=Brazil@g3.alog.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:10] i'm rebuilding latest patched kernel and get this "modpost: found 1 section mismatch(es)". what does it mean and how critical is it? google says i shouldn't see anything like this. [12:11] don't want to go back to huge, because rebuilt generic gives 2 times faster boot :\ [12:11] john_dee, don't worry about it [12:12] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [12:12] How does one tell what video driver is in use, (when there is not xorg.conf file)? [12:12] Anyone...? [12:13] mancha: uh..ok. but does it mean? any good rtfm? i'm not really sure i want to get a comp on the net with wtf kernel ^) [12:13] s/does it mean/what does it mean/ [12:13] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:13] gtludwig (n=gtl@150.162.165.254) left irc: "Leaving" [12:14] it means there are some sections where the code isn't all that kosher, you can set slome kernel param BLAH_DEBUG=y and maje again for the exact source of the mismatch [12:14] iirc, CONFIG_DEBUG_SECTION_MISMATCH=y [12:15] alexcg (i=1000@77.247.175.46) joined ##slackware. [12:16] what kernel, btw? [12:17] hmm. baby jesus not happy that the code isn't all kosher %) [12:17] oh, man. i goes for 3 hours on that rig. i guess i'll stick with huge for now [12:18] well, some things are explicitely stated as development in the kernel build docs... [12:18] john_dee: What are you trying to do? [12:18] mancha: patched slackware package - kernel-source-2.6.29.6_smp-noarch-3 [12:18] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:19] cap: build in root fs into generic kernel and it ftws :] [12:19] initrd? [12:19] Why not just use initrd? [12:20] did "make CONFIG_DEBUG_SECTION_MISMATCH=y" provide the mismatch? [12:20] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-71-62-151-44.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [12:20] john_dee, i don't use that kernel so i can't speak to it, but in all likelihood it is not worry-worthy [12:20] cap: making initrd for one module. not worth it, imo [12:21] but it only takes a few seconds. [12:21] mancha: no, i didn't build it with that option yet. takes too much time [12:21] (... to create initrd.gz) [12:22] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left ##slackware ("leaving"). [12:23] john_dee: Never mind, I now realize you are looking for faster boot time. Sorry. [12:23] cap: true, but that's not what i intended to do in the first place. 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[12:54] glen2, enable finger in inetd.conf [12:55] printf "in.fingerd: ALL\n" >> /etc/hosts.allow [12:55] Oww, yes now I remember. Thanks nachox. [12:56] ah, yes, if you're STILL using tcpwrappers, you'd need to do that too [12:59] dfrank (n=dimon@188.134.8.110) joined ##slackware. [13:05] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) left irc: Connection timed out [13:05] Hermann (n=Hermannn@c-fd51e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:08] credo (n=cherchez@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [13:10] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:12] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-62-208.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [13:13] andre (n=andre@dslb-084-059-099-116.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:13] god morning [13:13] anyone have a precompiled awesome 3.2.4? [13:13] pack [13:13] ? [13:14] 3.2.4 what? [13:14] "awesome" [13:14] lol [13:14] mancha: lspci -v [13:14] agentc0re|work (n=jon@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [13:14] andre: i could never get it working [13:14] andre, why don't you build it? [13:14] Found it ^^^ [13:14] what the hell is awesome? [13:14] andre: you need to recompile somethings [13:15] Necos: wm [13:15] a window manager [13:15] Necos: tiling wm [13:15] like dwm but better [13:15] well at least awesome 3 is better [13:15] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: ":)" [13:19] i'll be damned, my mixer icon on xfce just went poof. anyone else have that problem? [13:19] that's a silly question :) [13:19] "anyone ever had an application die?" :) [13:20] the application is fine, the icon is missing on the panel, reboots or xfce restarts don't solve it. [13:20] ooh, ok, sorry [13:21] dfrank (n=dimon@188.134.8.110) left irc: Client Quit [13:22] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [13:24] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-ladaddexcejjttzw) left ##slackware. [13:24] deco: http://spiralofhope.wordpress.com/2009/04/20/awesome-window-manager-almost-vindicated/ [13:24] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:24] ;D [13:24] works fine :> [13:24] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-67-191-58-46.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:28] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:29] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:30] Action: Necos stabs fire|bird [13:30] :) [13:30] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-129-177.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:32] andre (n=andre@dslb-084-059-099-116.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:34] myung (n=myung@33.Red-88-14-25.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [13:34] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:35] myung (n=myung@33.Red-88-14-25.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:35] Action: fire|bird drop kicks Necos [13:37] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-62-208.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:37] sirslacker (n=aligp@p54B156F3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:38] where do i look for kernel build logs? [13:38] lool [13:38] damn it fire|bird :) [13:38] devafree (n=kann@121.246.242.95) left irc: [13:39] lol [13:39] thepeng (n=master@m350436d0.tmodns.net) joined ##slackware. [13:39] well i'll be damned, the icon just won't come back..... [13:40] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:40] Action: john_dee puts and end to this confrontation shooting both fire|bird and Necos [13:40] mancha: can't add it to panel again? [13:41] Action: Necos stabs john_dee for trying to resolve any conflict [13:42] peace making doesn't pay off, darn [13:42] bring a gun next time, john_dee [13:42] i remove/add and same crap, works great; no icon [13:42] oh, yeah. good point [13:42] %) [13:43] i must have done some corrupting of icon caches or the like, and by "i must have" i mean some app has a bug, of course :) [13:44] Hermann (n=Hermannn@c-fd51e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:44] mancha: i have a radical decision for you problem. wipe (or copy, if you like:) all setting in the home dir and see if it comes back [13:44] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:44] a peacemaker only pays off when it is one of these http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Colt_peacemaker.jpg [13:45] nah, i don't think its my personal dir thats screwed, i think its the system gtk icons. i had played with notupdating caches in rc.M and this is how the problem started. i am debugging now... [13:45] thats a real cowboy gun [13:45] Pig_Pen: I read that as "pacemaker".. the picture left me a little confused.. [13:46] i bet that old pistol is worth a fortune [13:46] hehe yeah [13:46] john_dee, but you are right, often a lot of these things are due to stale cache or other gremlins in personal configfiles [13:46] so update your gtk icons >.> [13:47] Or pop a random number off of /dev/urandom, modulus by some number and if you get 0 run the cache updates [13:47] Pig_Pen: haha. not my scale, man. i prefer more global peacemaking with thing like this - http://es.rice.edu/projects/Poli378/Nuclear/Images/peacemaker.SMP88.gif [13:48] wow! john_dee you can wipe out entire zip codes with that thing [13:49] damn! [13:49] correcaminos (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) joined ##slackware. [13:49] correcaminos (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) left irc: Connection reset by peer [13:51] Action: Necos decides to send an SMP88 to john_dee's place for xmas [13:52] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [13:53] ooooh, another victim... [13:53] Action: Necos stabs dive [13:53] haha. i'm flattered. it's good when someone cares about this...big :p [13:54] well, it'll be detonating on arrival :) [13:55] What's the difference between Geek Squad and a used car salesman? [13:55] it barely can bother my sleep inside the undeground vault i dwell in %) [13:55] used car salesman has something to sell? [13:55] The used car salesman knows he's lying to you. [13:56] correcaminos (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) joined ##slackware. [13:57] Action: dive drops 1 tonne of iron on Necos [13:57] for the sake of the public domain, the error comes about from a corrupted icon.theme file in /usr/share/icons/hicolor. replacing it with a virgin one solves it. hope this helps someone down the road. [13:57] eviljames: you know, putting used car salesemen in the same class as polititians is degrading to used car salesmen [13:57] Chakravanti (n=chunk@67.236.73.139) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:58] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [13:58] alisonken1home: That's true of America, but in some countries politicians are executed for corruption. [13:58] alisonken1home, actually that's a pretty close call. Either way works for me. [13:58] alisonken1home: Wouldn't that be a nice change of pace? [13:58] :) [13:58] unfortunately, capital punishment is rather hit and miss here in the sates [13:58] states [13:58] In any case, politics belongs in ##slackware-offtopic [13:59] >.> [13:59] you started it :) [13:59] are you starting your politics rants again e-james? [13:59] not I! [13:59] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:59] quick, call a coroner [13:59] I asked about the comparison between geek squad and used car salespeople [13:59] alisonken1home brought up politicians! [13:59] Staden (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [13:59] the used car salesmen have brains? [14:00] mancha: The used car salesmen know they're lying to you. [14:00] they also have brainz :) [14:00] actually, geek squad knows they're lying to you too [14:00] it's corportate policy :P [14:00] *corporate [14:00] alisonken1home: unfortunately? [14:00] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:00] goddamn, teachers are trying to submit their grades and it's slowing our network to shit [14:00] don't they get the lies, er i mean msft training powerpoint, free of charge [14:01] correcaminos (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) left irc: Client Quit [14:02] actually, not even corporations conspiring to screw linux can upset me now, i am happy i debugged my missing icon...a few diffs and some mod time snooping revealed the culprit [14:03] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-148-30.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:03] cap (n=cap@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:04] lol [14:05] lQg2 (n=vnv@243-251-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net) joined ##slackware. [14:07] slackbox (i=nocturna@was.denied-inter.net) got netsplit. [14:07] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@priv.zoubi.org) got netsplit. [14:07] _slax0r_ (n=fire@2001:15c0:66ca:0:0:0:0:b4) got netsplit. [14:07] aiiiiiii (i=petrich@Tribalero.Atlantica.US) got netsplit. [14:07] Kowalczyk (n=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.be) got netsplit. [14:07] lmao2k (n=nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) got netsplit. [14:07] IceChant (n=icechant@109.160.158.53) got netsplit. [14:07] not again... [14:07] Action: Alan_Hicks goes off to have beers for lunch. [14:08] Alan_Hicks: 3 cheers for liquid lunches! [14:08] correcaminos_ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) joined ##slackware. [14:10] correcaminos_ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) left irc: Client Quit [14:10] acidchild: yes - there are some people that don't deserve free room and board for the rest of their lives, but because of politics people who do deserve it don't get it [14:10] in your opinion. [14:10] how very american of you. [14:11] >.> [14:11] america is not the only place [14:11] Been to jail? [14:11] haha [14:11] been in the service - does that count? [14:11] well then you know, you gotta work [14:11] nothings free [14:12] bleh... [14:12] go back and check again - my taxpayer dollars is paying for is room and board [14:12] ##slackware-offtopic :P [14:12] Necos: :P [14:12] hahahh there is a parallel discussion happening there.. [14:13] aiiiiiii (i=petrich@Tribalero.Atlantica.US) got lost in the net-split. [14:13] _slax0r_ (n=fire@2001:15c0:66ca:0:0:0:0:b4) got lost in the net-split. [14:13] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@priv.zoubi.org) got lost in the net-split. [14:13] slackbox (i=nocturna@was.denied-inter.net) got lost in the net-split. [14:13] Kowalczyk (n=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.be) got lost in the net-split. [14:13] lmao2k (n=nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) got lost in the net-split. [14:13] IceChant (n=icechant@109.160.158.53) got lost in the net-split. [14:13] yep [14:13] smallgoat (n=andy@host86-149-118-188.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [14:13] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [14:14] i don't feel like arguing over why people in prison get better treatment in jail than people that work hard blah blah... [14:14] :P [14:14] Necos: Have you even spoke a word since you joined there? :P [14:14] yes actually... [14:14] :) [14:14] that was 3 days ago [14:14] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [14:14] Necos: you think someone facing death row is gonna be treated well [14:14] Necos: good, or I'd have to kick you out for not speaking. :P (j/k) [14:14] O.o [14:15] lol [14:15] get locked in a box and half your meals go missing? [14:15] i JUST said i'm not gonna argue it one way or another... why are you trying to provoke me? [14:15] yep [14:16] it's friday... we have a half-day here at the school... i'm trying to be happy :) [14:16] *cough* ##slackware-offtopic *cough* provoke there :P [14:16] o_o [14:16] that's why i'm not saying anything there :P [14:16] lol [14:17] AHA [14:17] i can't tell the difference most of the time [14:17] deco: one has 10x the users of the other, that's a good hint. [14:17] that's because you talk too much there :P [14:17] eviljames: doesn't help that they aren't active :p [14:17] Necos: and you say nothing :( [14:18] your talking overshadows my 1-sentence remarks :P [14:18] :o [14:18] true [14:18] because you're talking about depressing shit :P [14:18] well not really [14:18] we mostly talk about sex [14:18] oh wait [14:18] yeah, see, about that... [14:19] deco: lol, especially earlier with eviljames giving tips to metriccwrench [14:19] err, metrofox [14:19] tab fail [14:19] wtf [14:19] wrench lol [14:19] lol [14:19] metrofox got some schooling. the kind rworkman generally provides. [14:20] lol [14:20] and it came from ej, so you know it was terrible... [14:20] yup [14:21] IceChant (n=icechant@109.160.158.53) joined ##slackware. [14:21] aiiiiiii (i=petrich@Tribalero.Atlantica.US) joined ##slackware. [14:21] _slax0r_ (n=fire@2001:15c0:66ca:0:0:0:0:b4) joined ##slackware. [14:21] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@priv.zoubi.org) joined ##slackware. [14:21] slackbox (i=nocturna@was.denied-inter.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] Kowalczyk (n=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.be) joined ##slackware. [14:21] lmao2k (n=nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:21] Staden (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: No route to host [14:21] Necos: hahahah my advice isn't all bad. There was a time that I was an apex predator of the dating world.. [14:22] and you wore a ski mask... what's your point? >.> [14:22] correcaminos_ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) joined ##slackware. [14:23] Necos: hahahaha touche [14:24] correcaminos_ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) left irc: Client Quit [14:24] :) [14:24] eviljames & fire|bird don't name my name in vane LOL [14:24] you're so vane [14:24] you probably think this typo's about you... [14:24] hahahah [14:25] mancha: ++ great work [14:25] brb ^^ [14:25] lol [14:25] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:25] Action: mancha bows [14:25] mancha's more effective than pepper spray >.> [14:27] Action: Necos is just going to stop checking ##slackware-offtopic for the next few hours [14:27] hahahah [14:28] correcaminos_ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) joined ##slackware. [14:28] Action: alisonken1home joins Necos [14:29] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [14:29] not gonna let you bastids ruin my friday :) [14:29] correcaminos__ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) joined ##slackware. [14:30] correcaminos__ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) left irc: Client Quit [14:30] correcaminos__ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) joined ##slackware. [14:32] correcaminos__ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) left irc: Client Quit [14:33] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.95.226.226) joined ##slackware. [14:33] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:34] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:35] correcaminos_ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:35] raela (i=1000@cpe-67-241-21-88.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:39] corey2 (n=corey@adsl-99-156-30-138.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:39] corey2 (n=corey@adsl-99-156-30-138.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:39] corey2 (n=corey@adsl-99-156-30-138.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:41] vasko_ (n=vasko@77-85-75-18.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [14:41] vasko_ (n=vasko@77-85-75-18.btc-net.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:42] ahhh, disable the tap to click on the laptop [14:42] s/disable/disabled/ [14:42] congrats. i always hate having that [14:42] tap to click is fun [14:42] it's not! [14:43] freak! [14:43] i freak out teachers with it lol [14:43] i always trigger taps without wanting to with that enabled [14:43] mancha: yes, that's the point. [14:43] mancha: it drove me nuts. Now I can type without switching windows. [14:44] if your pad supports it you can set it to only tap-to-click if you use two fingers [14:44] vasko_ (n=vasko@77-85-75-18.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [14:44] hi [14:44] i have problem running programs :( [14:44] (4819)/: KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server [14:44] mancha: it might. It's a dell. But I can live with pressing the buttons. [14:44] you forgot to install dbus-qt? [14:44] this is the error. in some forums [14:44] mancha: the buttons are there for a reason. [14:45] people say it is bug in kdesudo, but i don`t have this package.... [14:45] kdesudo is installed with kde-base IIRC [14:45] moment to see. i use full install... [14:45] tuxdev (n=tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [14:45] gutts (n=gutts@ADijon-554-1-155-200.w92-148.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:46] Nick change: madbear_ -> madbear [14:46] i have dbus, dbus glib and dbus python :) [14:46] so i need dbus qt? [14:47] might be kdesu [14:47] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc652051b.cns.vt.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:47] but in console i don`t have command kdesudo (it`s not problem, i don`t use it, just read about this :) ) [14:47] that they're refering too [14:48] which is in kdebase-runtime [14:48] i have kdesu :) [14:48] ok [14:48] so what to do now? install dbus-qt? [14:48] thepeng (n=master@m350436d0.tmodns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:49] hmmmm, i don't have dbus-qt either :) [14:49] now i search in slackbuild and slacky.it, but no results :) [14:50] you guys smile a lot [14:51] it`s better that cry [14:51] there's a cairo update in slackware13 patches, but it is not installed by slackpkg. is it for newer firefox? [14:51] but the problem is bad for me [14:52] deco, you sure do talk a lot when no one wants you to say anything :) [14:52] Necos: hmmm i thought you weren't gonna look anymore ? [14:52] :P [14:52] i wasn't, i just knew it [14:53] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-62-208.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:53] ....... [14:53] because i know you :P [14:53] :o [14:54] what can i do now? [14:56] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:95) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:56] Kidpunkx (n=Masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:57] ls -l /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus [14:57] Necos: hmm how's the weather in L.A ? [14:57] Action: Alan_Hicks returns from his liquid lunch. [14:58] it's crappy >.<; [14:58] Necos: cold and sunny here :/ [14:58] then again, i'm just hatin 'cause i'm not at the beach [14:58] Alan_Hicks: what's a liguid lunch ? [14:58] he had beer for lunch [14:58] oh [14:58] the lunch of champions? [14:59] during work ? :O [14:59] Also, breakfast and supper of champions. [14:59] Reticenti (n=reticent@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:59] deco: Yes, during lunch. [14:59] ok [14:59] three martini lunch? ;) [14:59] Two Yuengling lunch. [14:59] Necos: hmmm how long does it take to get to the beach from there ? [14:59] Necos, -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1740 2009-06-09 00:00 /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus [15:00] ugh [15:00] Action: tewmten drinking kopstoot [15:00] gezellig hoor [15:00] :P [15:00] hmmm, that's right... [15:00] vasko_, can you run it as root? [15:00] su -c '/etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus' [15:01] tewmten: \o/ [15:01] hey tewmten [15:01] deco, i'm in central LA, so ~15 minutes [15:01] hi BP{k}, Necos :) [15:01] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:01] ? to type this as root, or as user? [15:01] Necos: ah , same here around 15 minutes [15:01] as user [15:01] ok [15:01] moment [15:02] after i type password it returns Usage: /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus {start|stop|restart|reload|status} [15:02] su -c '/etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus start' [15:02] lol [15:03] Necos: what's that famous beach called that starts with an S ? [15:03] i didn't go there but i did go the city [15:03] go to the* [15:04] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:04] it return 3445 ? Ss 0:02 dbus-daemon [15:04] and 3 other similar rows [15:04] seal beach? [15:04] hmm no its longer [15:04] is it normal? [15:04] hmmm so dbus is running [15:04] that is normal [15:04] i think it's in spanish [15:04] what program are you trying to run? [15:05] i don't remember off-hand >.> [15:05] speaking of which, i need to find out if my buddy is taking his boat out in to the marina this month >.<; [15:06] diabolix (n=jsoyke@206.210.81.55) joined ##slackware. [15:06] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:07] so I'm finally going to be using linux on my local workstation for the first time in about 2 years. I used to love fluxbox, but is anything new or interesting happened recently that is worth considering? [15:07] no [15:07] lol [15:07] correcaminos_ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) joined ##slackware. [15:07] Necos: santa monica! but is that a beach too ? [15:07] yes, it is a beach and a saint [15:07] yay [15:08] frimer (i=frimer@szluug.org) left irc: "sajoin scrawl37 #main" [15:08] if you swim near the pier you can catch some herpes from the contaminated waters, no extra charge [15:08] who needs to swim to get herpes? There's much more entertaining ways to acquire that disease [15:09] santa monica is yes [15:09] hahahaha [15:09] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:11] i'm going to end up spending the next two days customizing this linux box. options are a blessing and a curse. [15:11] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [15:11] mmmmm kmix [15:11] as user, there is no [15:11] errors, but it don`t start :( [15:11] garme (n=garme@201009128148.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:11] also try to use wicd, but also no effect [15:12] "no effect"? [15:13] http://pastebin.ca/1719737 [15:13] it don`t start [15:13] this is what happens when i try to start wicd from console. [15:13] also says that my user is not in netdev group, but i add it..... [15:14] you did reload/restart dbus, right? [15:14] and log out and log back in after adding yourself to a group, right? [15:15] Kidpunkx_ (n=Masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:15] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [15:18] i use su -c '/etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus start' [15:19] mmmmmm not. [15:19] moment to make reboot ot machine :) [15:19] not only "X" [15:19] brb [15:19] vasko_ (n=vasko@77-85-75-18.btc-net.bg) left irc: "Leaving" [15:20] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:21] Necos: probably should have "reloaded" the messagebus [15:22] oops :) [15:22] i just wanted to see if he had it running [15:23] Ok. [15:23] No harm done, I think. Rebooting usually fixes that problem [15:25] garme (n=garme@201009128148.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [15:25] correcaminos_ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) left irc: Connection timed out [15:25] and definitely, he needed to reboot anyway [15:27] We'll find out soon enough [15:27] Nick change: ut_ -> ut [15:27] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:28] diabolix: interested in going even more minimalist than fluxbox? [15:30] vasko_ (n=vasko@77-85-75-18.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [15:30] again no effect :( [15:31] hackedhead, probably not, I'm actually poking around with xfce right now. it seems alot more usable since the last time I tried it. [15:31] vasko_: Ok. is wicd (the daemon) up? [15:32] mmmmmmmmmm how to see? :) ps ax? [15:32] yes [15:33] diabolix: mmk then, have fun. [15:33] 3523 ? S 0:00 python -O /usr/lib/wicd/wicd-daemon.py [15:33] 3540 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/python -O /usr/lib/wicd/monitor.py [15:33] 3813 ? S 0:00 python -O /usr/lib/wicd/wicd-client.py [15:33] Ok. wicd-client is up [15:33] and the daemon [15:34] So what's the problem? [15:34] merciful (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:35] mmmmmmmm i don`t see the program, and can`t choose wireles network :) [15:35] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:35] What window manager are you using? [15:36] kde..... [15:36] or u ask me something else :) [15:36] there's your problem right there... [15:36] And the icon is not in the system tray? [15:36] mancha: I am using KDE with wicd right now [15:36] many people have had success fixing that bug with "removepkg kde*" [15:36] :P [15:37] mancha: I see. :P [15:37] yes, also kmix is not in the tray..... [15:37] and "the salt" catches on :> [15:37] vasko_: start that manually [15:37] hahhaha, and when i remove kde, what will i use? :) [15:37] vasko_: try wicd-client from a terminal again [15:38] vasko_: something else. :P [15:38] hmmmm from k-menu-internet-wicd it works now :) [15:38] kde is good userfriendly :) [15:38] vasko_: I think your system tray is absent. [15:39] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.26.9) joined ##slackware. [15:39] smallgoat_ (n=andy@host86-162-129-245.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [15:39] hm [15:39] how can i fix it? [15:39] add a system tray plasmoid to the panel at the bottom [15:42] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: "..." [15:43] when i cklick "add panel" from panel option it start blank panel at top.... [15:43] right click on the panel on the bottom [15:43] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-75-61.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:44] panel settings -> add widgets [15:44] That should do it. :) [15:45] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-75-61.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [15:45] nille (i=1000@c-83-233-249-176.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:45] nille_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-176.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [15:46] aaaaaaaaa [15:46] widget :) [15:46] i choose panel [15:46] 10x 10x :) [15:46] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-75-61.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:46] cool [15:49] but kmix again don`t appear in system tray [15:49] alt-f2 kmix [15:50] vasko_: kmix is not auto-started [15:50] do what eviljames said [15:50] uva_ (i=bno@118-160-161-73.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:50] icon jump, jump and go away :) [15:50] uva (i=bno@118-160-161-73.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [15:50] yes, not autostart...... [15:51] i try kmix and run kmix, but it`s the same.... [15:51] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-75-61.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [15:51] hi [15:51] i have sound, but no kmix..... [15:51] have you set up alsa yet? [15:51] yes yes [15:51] also use alsamix in console [15:51] if kmix is in the tray when you log out it will be autostarted on next session [15:51] mako (n=mako@81.22.24.106) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:51] same with pretty much anything in KDe [15:52] who understands qell GnuPG ? [15:52] well* [15:52] ok. i`ll log out :) [15:52] brb [15:52] vasko_ (n=vasko@77-85-75-18.btc-net.bg) left irc: "Leaving" [15:52] smallgoat (n=andy@host86-149-118-188.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:53] vasko_ (n=vasko@77-85-75-18.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [15:53] no kmix... [15:53] [TurnUnlaggedOff (n=3wr@chello089072048128.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:54] also when i klick ot "x(close)" ot wicd it don`t go to sys tray [15:56] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-75-61.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:58] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-75-61.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [15:58] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:59] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.105.39) left irc: "Leaving" [16:01] is it possible to take a .deb file and use it somehow to install it on slackware? [16:02] *shudder* Hopefully not... [16:02] Reticenti: what .deb? [16:02] eviljames: boxee [16:02] wait, nvm, i found the source [16:03] they had it in a wierd spot [16:03] The Boxee Box plays any non-DRM media. If you can create it, Boxee will play it. <-- cool [16:03] Enforcing non-DRM media is a Good Thing (tm) [16:04] it also supports vdpau [16:05] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:05] Reticenti: as does Myth, no? [16:06] idk [16:06] isnt myth an OS though?. [16:06] lol [16:06] boxee? http://i.imgur.com/uZ9tn.jpg [16:06] :) [16:07] Reticenti: nope, mythtv = a glorified mplayer [16:07] oh [16:07] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:08] wikipedia indicates that vdpau is for NV cards, so unless Intel adopted the standard and wikipedia doens't know about it, it's no good for me :) [16:08] what wireless chips supports Managed mode ? [16:08] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: "leaving" [16:09] anavel: perhaps check linuxwireless.org ? [16:10] hmm, mythtv is even in sbo [16:10] yep [16:10] have you ever used it? [16:11] Not yet, sooner or later I'll get around to building a dedicated box for it though [16:11] eviljames: good point. thanks [16:11] anavel: no worries.. i just figure it is uncommon for someone to know *all* the chips that support managed mode :P [16:11] Reticenti: you were probably thinking of mythubuntu [16:11] good call deco [16:11] heh [16:11] Action: eviljames <- building tovid right now. [16:12] oh btw, is chip that supports managed mode supports Ad-Hoc mode too ? [16:13] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.22) left irc: [16:15] libdvdcss is good [16:15] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:15] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:15] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [16:15] panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:16] Pig_Pen: LMAO!!!! Why soooo Boxxxyyyy? 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[16:43] correcaminos__ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) joined ##slackware. [16:43] Everytime i upgrade my slackware-current multilib packages are replaced and i have to reinstall them in order to continue using 32bits apps. [16:44] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:44] congrats [16:44] \o/ [16:44] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [16:46] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-181-108.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:46] acidtripper, you were supposed to blacklist them, weren't you? Did you read alien's wiki? [16:47] yes, but not that part. [16:47] maybe i have to unselect them when upgrading [16:48] i'll check that of blacklisting.. is there a way to don't upgrade it? [16:49] that's what i read http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/ [16:51] correcaminos_ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) joined ##slackware. [16:51] correcaminos__ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:52] cool, i modified /etc/slackpkg/blacklist., ill not have same problem again when upgrading ;) [16:52] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.95.226.226) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:52] now compiling kernel 2.6.32 [16:53] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:53] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-241.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:55] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [16:56] correcaminos (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) left irc: Success [16:56] 2.6.32.1 is out, (mostly ext4 bug fixes is all it is) [16:58] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [16:58] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-163-131.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [16:58] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left ##slackware. [16:59] Raa (n=oli@86.127.238.96) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:59] Fentruck (n=Fentruck@24-247-201-126.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:59] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-017-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:59] yes, i said 32, but it's 32.1 what now is running make [16:59] Pig_Pen: what kind of fixes? [16:59] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-241.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:59] Fentruck (n=Fentruck@24-247-201-126.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:00] i'll take a look to changelog [17:01] very technical fixes for my eyes :P [17:03] ext4 stuff, i dont use ext4 yet but i did scan through the change log and it was all mostly for ext4 [17:03] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [17:03] correcaminos (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) joined ##slackware. [17:03] a LOT of ext4 stuff [17:03] some of the commits look bad [17:03] Kidpunkx (n=Masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:04] Kidpunkx (n=Masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:04] even though ext4 is out of experamental mode it will take time for them to iron out all the wrinkles [17:04] when a new fs is made, do the devs implement it, and then the kernel has to be the one to use it? [17:04] yes, lot of data, buffer, management [17:05] Not sure why Pat thinks ext4 is ready for production [17:05] slackwarrior (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [17:05] straterra: i can't figure that out myself [17:05] for instance, are there revisions to the ext4 standard? [17:05] straterra, why you think it isn't? [17:05] or is it jsut on how the kernel handles the fs? [17:05] Reticenti: the on-disk standard better be stable by this point! [17:05] acidtripper: ask thrice` [17:05] Reticenti: but that is not always the case (ie: btrfs, which has kernel support but is NOT stable) [17:06] i installed back to ext3 today...too many freezes and reboots with new unstable board [17:06] thrice`: why ext4 is not ready for production? [17:06] so ext4 is dangerous for me [17:06] eviljames: so once a fs is deemed stable, the standard doesnt really change? [17:06] eviljames: and it's only how the kernel handles it that changes? [17:06] thar be pirates on 6925KHz yarr [17:07] i'd never had any freeze or data lost [17:07] Reticenti: by 'standard' I assume you mean things like endianness, how blocks are allocated, what operations happen before/after write, etc? [17:07] So? Quite a few people have [17:07] Kidpunkx (n=Masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:07] acidtripper: Pat added ext4 like RIGHT after it was marked stable in the kernel [17:07] eviljames: i'm not really sure :\ [17:07] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:07] and i had been using ext4 for 6-8 months [17:07] i had ext4 keel over on me yesterday [17:07] Kidpunkx (n=Masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:08] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:08] i had to reformat [17:08] Reticenti: ahh, you probably got struck by their delayed writes [17:08] mm, maybe he could added it in a testing way, but he released it stable [17:08] my freezes are not from ext4, but from an unstable board [17:08] the reason i am not using ext4 yet is i want to be able to mount slack13 from slack12.2 or any liveCD in case i bork it and need to fix something [17:08] eviljames: i think it may have ahd to do with fragmentation, i had a 70 day uptime.. [17:08] Reticenti: for speed/efficiency purposes, ext4 doesn't actually *write* your data to the HD right away [17:08] Reticenti, maybe your problem is related to misworking hardware [17:08] but ext4 is dangerous in such situation [17:09] acidtripper: that may have been it too [17:09] Kidpunkx (n=Masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:09] what's your thoughts on jfs/xfs? [17:10] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:10] jfs is a great general purpose FS [17:10] XFS is good if you have a UPS [17:10] Kidpunkx (n=Masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:10] so jfs would be a good one for / except /home? [17:10] even /home [17:10] what, in your opinion, is the most stable and ahrdy fs? [17:11] jfs was written by IBM for their AIX [17:11] hardy* [17:11] Raa (n=oli@86.127.238.96) joined ##slackware. [17:11] brb [17:11] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:12] My own personal take is that ext3 will all you to find more people who really know the guts and may be able to help you in a serious situation. [17:12] Reticenti: fwiw, I use ext3 for /, and xfs for /home [17:13] antiwire: well, that's pretty straightforward I think.. [17:13] in an oh shit situation you'll probably have the best chance of having someone else help save your ass than the others [17:13] Lab_Rat: any progress? [17:14] eviljames, Yes I have it working am just about to paste bin what fixed it [17:14] Awesome! [17:14] djustice (n=kde@75-136-155-051.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:14] Kidpunkx (n=Masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:14] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.161.28) left irc: "leaving" [17:15] mike-home (n=michael@99-166-165-150.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.95.226.226) joined ##slackware. [17:16] eviljames, http://pastebin.com/medeff34 [17:16] was it something small that we all overlooked? [17:17] you hit the nail on the head yesterday when you said use both set_rlimits and setcap [17:17] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [17:18] What was different was that I didn't have to add jamin the last time I set this up. Once I added it.. things worked [17:18] ahh cool. [17:19] Thanks for the both you and pprkut.. [17:19] antiwire: sure... i used raiserfs a lot and all the utilities were labeled "experimental". ext3 passed under more testing. [17:19] for the great input [17:20] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [17:21] Lab_Rat: hey, now that you have it all working... what do you use jamin for? [17:21] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [17:21] Urchlay: mastering :D [17:21] Urchlay jamin is for mastering [17:22] yeah... er, could you not just apply ladspa/whatever plugins to your tracks in ardour and render to a wav file? [17:22] A very nice tool I also use it on the inputs depending on what the source is [17:23] jamin is the name of the tool? [17:23] I could do that but jamin has a lot of tools all in one package.. boost, eq, more [17:23] not trying to be annoying, just trying to understand what exactly the benefit of jamin is [17:23] strange things...after reinstalling, same kernel, no more pcm mixer ctl, i dont get it [17:23] cteg: alsaconf [17:23] Action: Urchlay is very new to audio recording/editing/etc (at least the kind where you use a computer instead of a tape deck) [17:24] alsaconf dont even sees a pci sound device [17:24] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.95.226.226) left irc: "just to eat" [17:24] i have sound though. [17:24] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.95.226.226) joined ##slackware. [17:24] No I understand you asking.. Take a look at there site http://jamin.sourceforge.net/en/tutorial.html [17:24] its one of those nasty intel-hd devices...this one will be fully supported in 2.6.33, still i had master,pcm and capture [17:25] no more pcm since 15 minutes [17:25] this board sucks anyway never had such problems in 20 years [17:26] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:27] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [17:27] problem is i can't get a real pattern whats wrong [17:27] http://bit.ly/8hCD97 anyone want a radio? [17:27] Urchlay.. I don't have a mixer in front of the audio card and I can and do use jamin to clean up noisy and unbalanced source material.. It's a backwards way of using it but it works nice [17:27] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:27] Lab_Rat: oh, that's clever [17:27] Lab_Rat: but in such a case, I think jackRack + LADSPA will probably do you just as good [17:28] Lab_Rat: hm, I plug guitars/basses straight into the mic input, same situation? [17:28] i'm gonna test this in win7, if it still fails i'll return it [17:28] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-154-64.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:28] don't really have a pro audio card, using crappy via onboard sound [17:28] eviljames, I have not got around to compiling jackrack ... ... It's on the list... Yes same deal as you describe [17:29] Urchlay: Probably closer to guitar -> distortion pedal turned down low -> mic input [17:29] correcaminos (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) left irc: Connection timed out [17:30] vdv (n=vdv@ip-77-25-61-36.web.vodafone.de) joined ##slackware. [17:30] hi [17:30] Lab_Rat: you might have a look at rakarrack too [17:30] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Client Quit [17:30] correcaminos_ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) left irc: Connection timed out [17:30] (not as a replacement for jamin necessarily, but it's got a lot of effects and maybe more important, a lot of useful presets) [17:31] eviljames I am attempting to figure out how to deal with that link IRC is not one of my best skills [17:31] nvision (n=nvision@e179135125.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [17:31] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:31] Urchlay.. There are so many toys.. You know I want to play with all of them..:) [17:32] djustice (n=kde@75-136-155-051.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [17:32] djustice (n=kde@75-136-155-051.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:33] if you do decide to mess with rakarrack, the easiest way to use it with ardour seems to be to start it up, then set it as an "insert" in the guitar channel (which makes it act more like a regular plugin) [17:34] XGizzmo__ (n=XGizzmo@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [17:34] acidchil1 (i=ash@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [17:34] Matt_ (n=matt@spoon.pkl.net) joined ##slackware. [17:34] I will take a look at it... I still don't have all the plugins I want set up... [17:34] reallove_ (i=reallove@free-shell.eu) joined ##slackware. [17:34] eviljame1 (n=james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [17:34] errordeveloper (n=errordev@host86-151-40-233.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [17:34] Snewp (i=slacker@cpe-69-203-220-240.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:34] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.95.226.226) left irc: "just to eat" [17:34] Patzy_ (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:34] mag0o (i=20001@74.255.51.210) returned to ##slackware. [17:34] that's assuming you want to record the guitars clean, and add effects afterward (which I always do because I'm never 100% satisfied & want to be able to tweak the effects without re-recording the track) [17:34] Nick change: Matt_ -> Guest13820 [17:34] Nick change: Dominus -> Guest71345 [17:34] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) returned to ##slackware. [17:34] Nick change: Patzy_ -> Patzy [17:34] Possible future nick collision: Patzy [17:34] fred (i=3362@connie.slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [17:34] oh god netsplits again [17:34] RaNdY (i=randy@rats.run.the.shell.at.shellium.org) returned to ##slackware. [17:35] kukukk (n=dvorak@188.24.66.254) returned to ##slackware. [17:35] deco: I got totally disconnected [17:35] Pinnen (i=pinnen@h-36-27.A204.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [17:35] Nick change: eviljame1 -> eviljames [17:35] Possible future nick collision: eviljames [17:35] OpenSys (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [17:35] dngr (n=dngr@n112118170048.netvigator.com) returned to ##slackware. [17:35] Nick change: fred -> Guest85401 [17:35] SiegeX (i=219@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [17:35] eviljame1: ah :( [17:35] Urchlay that's exactly how I like doing it.. I want the clean sound as it is laid down then I can do what I want with it [17:36] Fleurety (n=fleurety@93.186.164.51) returned to ##slackware. [17:36] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Client Quit [17:36] init[1] (i=buffer@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [17:36] Nick change: init[1] -> Guest42508 [17:38] Camarade_Tux (n=adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) returned to ##slackware. [17:39] XGizzmo__ (n=XGizzmo@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:39] XGizzmo (n=XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) returned to ##slackware. [17:39] Lab_Rat: the only exception to that rule for me might be, if I'm going to slap on the bass, I might need a compressor/limiter before the sound card input, to keep from overdriving the sound card (haven't actually tried it though) [17:39] if i run glxinfo and there's no "direct rendering" line in the output, was means that? [17:39] simplex (n=simplex@twopenguins.it) returned to ##slackware. [17:40] reallove (i=reallove@free-shell.eu) got lost in the net-split. [17:40] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) got lost in the net-split. [17:40] error_developer_ (n=errordev@host86-151-40-233.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) got lost in the net-split. [17:40] acidchild (i=ash@noobfarm.org) got lost in the net-split. [17:40] SuN (i=default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) got lost in the net-split. [17:40] Matt__ (n=matt@spoon.pkl.net) got lost in the net-split. [17:40] boojit (n=boojit@gw.carter.to) got lost in the net-split. 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I figure that mp3 collections, photo collections, videos etc.. all qualify :P [17:41] Uchlay I have a compressor infront of the sound card input. I tend to do dumb things from time to time and that has saved the inputs a few times [17:41] Reticenti: there's a tradeoff though, as xfs is slightly more CPU-intense than other FS [17:41] It's an old DOD compress but it works great [17:41] http://pastebin.com/mfe2cb6e [17:42] Lab_Rat: I find a noise gate in front of the computer is also advantageous if you have one. [17:42] eviljames: interesting, i'll have to take a look at it. Also, someone said it's good if you have a ups, why is that? [17:42] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.22) joined ##slackware. [17:42] Reticenti: iirc, due to the way it handles some metadata it has a risk of catastrophe on power failure [17:43] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-65-80.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:43] Reticenti: I have never (to my knowledge) seen an issue, and I randomly turn machines on and off all the time just to torture them [17:43] ah, makes sense [17:43] lol [17:43] vdv: Ahhh... There's no "direct rendering" line... I read that as the direct rendering line says no... Your drivers are, in fact, installed just fine. The version of glxinfo that came with Slackware 13.0 is actually a different program called glinfo. It was improperly packaged for Slackare 13.0. [17:43] if I hadn't slept so late today, was going to see if I could find a PCI sound card in my storage bin (*any* PCI card would be better than what I'm using now) [17:43] eviljames, Yeah a good idea.. [17:45] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [17:45] gutts (n=gutts@ADijon-554-1-155-200.w92-148.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:46] glinfo also doesn't show "direct rendering" line [17:46] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-181-108.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:47] my graphics card is 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GME965/GLE960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c) [17:47] vdv: Right. glxinfo on Slackware 13.0 *is* glinfo. And it does not show Direct Rendering. [17:47] vdv: Again, your drivers are installed just fine. [17:47] X.Org X Server 1.6.3 [17:47] lol [17:47] i have xf86-video-intel-2.8.0 installed [17:47] vdv: Seriously, it's fine. [17:47] You can stop asking about it now. [17:47] there *is* an updated mesa package for 13.0 in patches/ with a proper glxinfo command [17:48] does this package contain dri driver too? [17:48] it's the mesa package, it contains the mesa libraries, if that's what you're asking [17:48] vdv: Yes, the updated mesa package in patches/ contains the dri driver. But you already have the dri driver installed, and it's working just fine. [17:49] vdv: The only thing screwed up on your system is glxinfo, *not* the drivers :-) [17:49] i have an app which uses opengl [17:49] and i can't use it in slackware [17:49] Well what error does this app give you? [17:49] but on the same pc in W it works [17:49] just black screen [17:50] What's the application? [17:50] Urchlay, I have an old sb16 SB AWE card .. Unfortunately it's not pci ... It's great stuff .. Onboard Memory DSP and all kinds of goodies.. [17:52] adamk_ it's small app [17:52] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-154-64.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:52] the average sound card has gotten a lot lamer in the past 10-12 years [17:52] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@213.63.2.51) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:52] not well known [17:53] vdv: This is a windows application? [17:53] it's written in qt [17:53] and in win it runs without such problem [17:53] Unfortunately, there's not much I can tell you. You can install the version of Mesa from /patches by downloading it here: http://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-13.0/patches/packages/ [17:54] Masterx841 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:54] That will give you a non-broken version of glxinfo. But it's the same version of the DRI driver. [17:54] is there any alternative to mesa? [17:54] vdv: So I think you may have to check with the #intel-gfx people. [17:54] vdv: Not for intel GPUs. 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[18:53] good evening [18:53] .... infidels :P [18:54] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:54] macavity: SILENCE, I KEEEEEEL YOU!!!!! :P [18:54] HAHAHA [18:55] uva (i=bno@118-160-161-73.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:55] uva (i=bno@118-160-161-73.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:55] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:57] fire|bird: so.. what kind of terrorist are you? [18:57] hehe [18:57] corey2 (n=corey@adsl-99-156-30-138.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:58] macavity: A terrifying terrorist. [18:59] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:59] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [18:59] i think i have found a leak in xorg/Qt [18:59] how can i determine if mesa uses software rendering or dri? [19:00] everytime i start a new app X graps about 1 meg of memory, but it doesnt give it back when the app closes [19:00] vdv: glxinfo | grep render [19:00] direct rendering: Yes [19:00] render string? [19:01] i've installed mesa patched [19:01] and now glxinfo shows correctly everything [19:01] what does the seccond line say? [19:01] name of display: :0.0 [19:01] huh?!? [19:01] display: :0 screen: 0 [19:02] it should say someting like: [19:02] direct rendering: Yes [19:02] OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM GEM 20090712 2009Q2 RC3 x86/MMX/SSE2 [19:02] first three lines from glxinfo [19:02] never mind... [19:02] OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 965GME/GLE GEM 20090712 2009Q2 RC3 x86/MMX/SSE2 [19:02] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [19:02] not patched mesa shows this in second line ) [19:03] ok, on 965 there are still some rough spots [19:03] so count on it to fall back to software rendering in quite a few cases [19:04] that can happen? [19:04] only for the particular instance [19:04] that mesa falls back to soft rendering? [19:04] i have a problem that my opengl app shows black screen when running in slackware and normally runs in win [19:05] that is, if you try to run Quake3 and all the GL options arent implemented it will fall back to software rasterization for the whole app [19:05] as i said, 965 still have some rough spots [19:05] if i use gallium [19:06] does i need dri? [19:06] >_< [19:06] *do i need [19:07] what does 965GME mean? [19:07] is it dri version? [19:07] i mean dri driver [19:07] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-163-131.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: "this is who we are" [19:07] 965GME is the chip [19:08] and since you have Direct Rendering (DRI == Direct Rendering Interface), odds are you did it the right way [19:08] so, X have dri implementation for that chip, right? [19:08] oh man.. you should really do some reading on this... [19:08] the DDX (xf86-video-intel) has very little to do with Mesa/Gallium [19:09] let me find some suitable documentation for you to consider [19:09] yes, maybe ) [19:09] gallium is an alternative to mesa, no? [19:10] http://www.lunarg.com/wordpress/technologies/gallium-3d/gallium3d-online-developers-workshop/ [19:10] i am not going to use an hour explaining all this to you [19:10] the above holds sime nice videos with some slides and explanation [19:10] macavity, have you tried 7.7 yet? I'm too scared to try ;) [19:10] *some [19:11] thrice`: it holds very little new stuff for me.. im still on i945 [19:11] macavity: can you explain just the meaning of the following sentence: In order to get a complete display system running, you need the X server (xorg), an X driver (eg radeonhd), a DRM driver and Mesa. If you look at the source code on freedesktop.org, you'll see that each different X driver has its own tree, while DRM and Mesa each only have one tree each with per-chip drivers buried further down the tree. [19:11] me too, I think, for i965 [19:11] vdv, you have all of tha tcovered [19:12] you are running x-server (obviously), and have the video driver installed (xf86-video-intel), as well as libdrm + mesa [19:12] if you have Xorg, libdrm, xf86-video-intel, and mesa you are covered [19:12] i just don't understand why drm source code is under X source code [19:13] isn't drm under kernel code? [19:13] it's not [19:13] credo (n=cherchez@80.233.147.119) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:13] vdv: there is a kernel side driver and a userspace driver... [19:13] ahh.. ok [19:13] thanks a lot [19:14] the kernel driver is the DRI driver (Direct Rendering Interface), and the userland driver is the DRM driver (Direct Rendering Manager) [19:14] Hoogin (n=hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: "Leaving." [19:15] but if mesa uses dri, then why we need drm? [19:15] tuxdev (n=tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: "Leaving" [19:15] however, in a fully Gallium'ized stack you dont user the DRM driver.. Gallium talks directly to the kernel DRI in the winsys statetracker [19:15] *IIRC* [19:15] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.26.9) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:15] vdv: mesa never said anyting about the "i" part [19:16] I don't think intel can do anything with gallium [19:16] vdv: it just says "Direct Rendering" to make sure people dont get confused... [19:16] thrice`: oh yes, i945 was one of the first "done" gallium drivers [19:16] do you think that i should try mesa 7.7 or gallium? [19:17] thrice`: in my case (since my hardware doesnt do vertex shading like the 965) it uses mesa with the mesa-gallium "hardware" driver to emulate vertex shading.. the rest is done in hardware [19:17] macavity, http://www.x.org/wiki/GalliumStatus [19:18] vdv: you need to educate yourself... you think Gallium and Mesa are two different things [19:18] vdv: watch the videos i posted for you... then it will become clear [19:18] no, understand that they can replace each other, not? [19:19] both yes and no, and that depends [19:19] there're two different opengl implementations, no? [19:19] in some setups mesa will just be a state tracker of gallium [19:20] so now, watch the bloody videos or do some reading [19:20] ok [19:20] thrice`: that is slightly out of date [19:20] sorry ) [19:21] nvision (n=nvision@e179135125.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [19:23] djustice (n=kde@75-136-155-051.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:23] djustice (n=kde@75-136-155-051.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:27] dakarn (n=skas@cpe-76-175-69-235.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:29] ok macavity, i'm building 7.7 [19:30] mako (n=mako@81.22.24.33) joined ##slackware. [19:31] does slackware mesa package include mesalib, mesademos and mesaglut? [19:32] yes [19:32] djustice (n=kde@75-136-155-051.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:32] djustice (n=kde@75-136-155-051.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:34] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:36] beastie (n=vdv@ip-77-24-56-253.web.vodafone.de) joined ##slackware. [19:36] Nick change: beastie -> ghost [19:37] vdv (n=vdv@ip-77-25-61-36.web.vodafone.de) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:37] Nick change: ghost -> vdv [19:37] does slackware mesa package include mesalib, mesademos and mesaglut? [19:38] If I were to have two files. One (called 'A') that represented a file and another (called 'B') that represented how I wanted 'A' to look. How would I go about creating a patch file that I could distribute to make copies of 'A' into copies of 'B' ? (I'm assuming it's got to do with diff) [19:39] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:39] icarus_, diff -u A B > file.patch [19:40] sweet, thanks ;) [19:40] could someone using the proprietary nvidia drivers pastebin me the output of 'glxinfo' ? [19:40] sure, wait a sec [19:40] corey (n=corey@ppp-69-214-3-237.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] icarus_, actually, I think "diff -u B A > file.patch [19:41] hackedhead: http://pastebin.org/66562 [19:41] no, diff -u A B is it :> [19:41] djustice (n=kde@75-136-155-051.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [19:42] thrice`: guess we'll see if things start exploding soon ;) [19:42] icarus_: thanks, interesting [19:42] thrice`: does slackware mesa package include mesalib, mesademos and mesaglut? [19:42] vdv, I'll answer you again, "yes" [19:42] hackedhead: if it means anything. 9600M GT using 190.42 [19:42] ok [19:43] icarus_: yeah, and still seeing GLX 1.4, so that's probably not my problem. [19:43] my "black screen" problem, i can't debug it, maybe it's intel driver bug, maybe mesa bug or maybe dri driver bug [19:43] urthwrm_ (n=hooch@124-170-216-58.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [19:43] i'm running a 6200 on 190.53 now [19:44] but no improvement over 190.42 for me. 3d accel is still terrible. [19:44] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: No route to host [19:44] hallowname (n=kde@75-136-155-051.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:44] HI i think I could shrhink my visible screen by TwinView or Xinerama ... what do you think ? [19:44] in nexuiz at least [19:45] I mean is it possible [19:47] thrice`: to go from A to B via a patch (C) "diff -u A B > C" and "patch -p0 A C" worked brilliantly as you said, thanks :) [19:47] slackwarrior (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "leaving" [19:47] cool, sure :) [19:48] vvor (n=vvor@bzq-82-81-161-217.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [19:49] thrice`: cool, tell me how it fares :-) [19:50] i cant wait untill they get the gallium-xorg statetracker to work with input devices [19:50] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:50] greetings and salutations [19:50] then even 2D drawing calls from the DDX will be accelerated [19:50] alloha andarius :-) [19:50] macavity, seems to be the same to me :/ [19:50] salutations crazy wierd guy in slackware... I mean macavity ;) [19:51] djustice|FFF (n=kde@75-136-155-051.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:51] hallowname (n=kde@75-136-155-051.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [19:53] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [19:54] hello [19:55] salutations paul424 [19:55] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [19:56] urthwrm (n=hooch@203-206-17-151.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [19:57] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] thrice`: what is your particular problem? [19:57] yeah you remind me the CHild of Rosemarry film .,... Adrian will be his name [19:58] thrice`: generally fucked up GL support? [19:58] macavity, huh? no, my setup works fine :) [19:58] djustice (n=kde@75-136-155-051.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:00] djustice (n=kde@75-136-155-051.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:00] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [20:02] djustice|FFF (n=kde@75-136-155-051.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:02] djustice (n=kde@75-136-155-051.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:02] thrice`: mesa 7.7 requires libdrm>=2.4.15, but i have 2.4.12.. is drm part of Xorg? should i update X now? [20:02] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:03] thrice`: from what i am reading the classic mesa driver is up to speed on 965 [20:03] vdv, you are seriously so helpless. please, do SOME reading on your own. if you google "libdrm" it's the first hit [20:03] john_dee (n=id@95-29-8-190.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [20:03] macavity, sure, but it's fun to play :) [20:04] thrice`: sorry ) [20:04] thrice`: no shit :P [20:06] Delahunt (n=robert@ZL000120.ppp.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [20:08] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:08] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:08] forgot how to make slackware package [20:09] make install DESTDIR and then makepkg? [20:09] yes... [20:10] that won't work [20:10] there's more to it [20:10] slack's package manager needs a dir "install" [20:10] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [20:10] it doesn't need one [20:10] mancha: makepkg creates that [20:10] vdv: but again, it depends on what you are building a packge of [20:10] yea.. more or less.. you could run it like "makepkg -l y -c n $PKGNAME-$VERSION-$ARCH-$REV_$TAG.tgz [20:11] otherwise thats the basic gist, you install to a root-dir and then makepkg from inside that rootdir [20:11] vdv: the easiest thing for you would be to use the slackware .SlackBuild files and alter the version numbers [20:11] vdv: then there is *some* chance that you dont fuck up your system [20:11] there's no slackbuild for libdrm [20:11] and strip binaries, and zip man pages, and do symlinks, and permissions [20:12] vdv, it's on the slackware mirror, since libdrm is a part of slackware [20:12] ahh.. [20:12] ... [20:12] i searched in slackbuilds.org ) [20:13] sbo doesn't have stuff thats in the official distrib [20:13] so now you know the difference between official and contrib packages... :P [20:13] understood now [20:13] lol ) [20:13] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [20:14] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "leaving" [20:14] djustice|FFF (n=kde@75-136-155-051.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:15] djustice (n=kde@75-136-155-051.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:16] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [20:16] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [20:18] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) joined ##slackware. [20:19] djustice|FFF (n=kde@75-136-155-051.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:19] otho (n=otho@unaffiliated/otho) joined ##slackware. [20:22] thrice`: with which options have you configured (or intented to configure) mesa 7.7? (besides --prefix) [20:23] I didn't build it on slackware, but just --prefix=/usr --with-driver=dri --with-dri-driver="i965,swrast" [20:23] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:24] ChickenLittle (n=robert@ZH011078.ppp.dion.ne.jp) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:24] ok, thanks [20:25] correcaminos (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) joined ##slackware. [20:27] I think you also need --with-dri-driverdir=/usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/ [20:27] Otherwise it installs the DRI driver to /usr/lib/dri/ [20:28] again, i'm not on slackware on this machine :> [20:28] /usr/lib/dri is ok :) [20:29] It might be OK, but it's not where it's supposed to go on Slackware :-) [20:29] but still works? [20:30] I have no idea. On Slackware, I install the dri driver to /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/ (or /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/dri/ on a 64-bit installation). [20:30] Delahunt (n=robert@ZL000120.ppp.dion.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [20:30] that seems clunky to me, honestly [20:30] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [20:30] correcaminos (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) left irc: "Leaving" [20:30] maddslacker (n=corey@c-67-190-191-37.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:30] thrice`: clunky or not, that's where it's installed to by default on Slackware 13.0. [20:30] It is different from most other distributions I've used. [20:31] yep [20:31] I upgraded -current yesterday, and it seems libboost-mt was removed, which breaks qBittorrent [20:31] *libboost_system-mt that is [20:31] maddslacker, sounds like -current is broken at the moment, regarding boost. [20:31] maddslacker: known issue. wait for a fix [20:31] ok cool, just making sure [20:32] my 'production' box is still 13.0, so no real harm [20:32] sure, -current voids your warranty ;) [20:32] yeah, I want a refund...heh [20:32] hope my "black screen" is a mesa problem [20:33] thrice`, by production I mean my mythtv/torrent seedbox, I'm careful with that one [20:33] on this laptop I live on the edge [20:37] Nick change: acidchil1 -> acidchild [20:39] has anyone here used virtualbox from the slackbuild repo? [20:40] no, I use the non-OSE version from Sun [20:41] doy ou have to pay for that version? [20:41] no you don't [20:41] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@93.107.150.239) joined ##slackware. [20:41] Reticenti: use vmplayer [20:41] no, just fill out a free registration [20:41] oh [20:42] because i need to run itunes for my ipod touch.. [20:42] doesn't OSE lack USB support? [20:42] meaning you need the non-OSE version anyway? [20:42] mmk [20:42] Reticenti: I have used it for a while now [20:43] for the non-ose, do i jsut downlaod the source, and compile and run? [20:43] Action: andrew_50 does not need usb on the guest [20:43] no [20:44] it's a .run file, run it, it installs [20:44] ah, ok [20:44] pretty straightforward [20:44] coolio [20:44] it's the last one i n the list on the download page, IIRC [20:44] yaeh [20:44] jjholt_ (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [20:44] can it install an os from an iso iamge? [20:44] image* [20:44] yup [20:44] jjholt (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:45] thats neat [20:45] so the touch doesn't work in Amarok or similar? [20:45] Action: maddslacker notes one more reason to avoid Apple [20:46] nope [20:46] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:46] the touch/iphone only work with itunes [20:46] vdv (n=vdv@ip-77-24-56-253.web.vodafone.de) left irc: "Leaving" [20:46] figures [20:46] well, i can scp into it, but i have to have a failbroken app to play the songs [20:46] jailbroken * :\ [20:46] ueah, screw that [20:46] you're on the right track [20:46] yeah [20:47] i need to upgrade to new firmware too [20:47] fun [20:47] so that i can control mythtv with it over wifi =D [20:47] I actually have my wife's ancient laptop around with XP still on it for stupid crap like that [20:47] yeah [20:48] heh, I bought an MCE IR remote for my mythtv...i LOVE it [20:48] nice [20:48] $20 on ebay with shipping [20:49] awesome [20:49] yeah [20:49] only issue is my wife's new laptop, with WIndows 7, grabs input from the remote and does weird stuff [20:49] really freaks her out...heh [20:50] lol [20:51] but as for MythTV, it works great [20:51] hmm, it seems like --enable-vdpau with the mythtv sbo didnt work [20:51] missing a dependency? [20:52] maybe [20:52] VDPAU needs the binary nvidia drivers installed [20:52] that's the one [20:52] so nvidia provides the vdpau binaries? [20:53] it's and nvidia invention [20:53] because i installed the nvidia driver, is there something else? [20:53] alienBOB, thanks for the excellent multilib stuff, by the way [20:53] libvdpau maybe ? [20:53] have it already :\ [20:54] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@109.76.40.87) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:54] Action: maddslacker checks [20:54] alienBOB: and thanks for vlc while I see you in person :) [20:54] mine is also nvidia [20:56] mine seems ok [20:56] your mythtv uses vdpau? [20:56] I think so [20:57] hrm [20:58] did you install it through sbo? [21:00] yup [21:00] hrm [21:00] did you do any special options? [21:00] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.46.203) left irc: "leaving" [21:00] and does anyone know where to install flash 10 for firefox? [21:01] /usr/lib/mozilla doesnt seem to work [21:01] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/multimedia/flash-player-plugin/ [21:05] I installed the latest flash from adobe to fix youtube issues [21:05] Reticenti, I enabled all the options is all, but no weird things [21:05] what do you mean enabled all the options? [21:05] I *may* have skipped vdpau, it's been a while [21:06] nm, I was thinking of something else [21:06] I installed all the deps, even the opt ones, nvidia driver, vdpau and away I went [21:07] hmm [21:07] my only issue was getting mysql configged and I had a friend help [21:07] yeah, i did that [21:08] but vdpau isnt enabled [21:08] so i'm recompiling again [21:09] this time i manually edited the slackbuild [21:09] so that configure has --enable-vdpau in it [21:10] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:10] there you go [21:12] the only annoying thing is that it takes around 45 mintues to compile [21:12] really? [21:12] yup [21:12] took no where hear that long on either of mine [21:12] amd 3200 single core 2.05ghz [21:13] i tested on my laptop: intel core 2 duo 2.2Ghz [21:13] dual core though [21:13] the real one is a pentium 4 2.8 [21:13] ^^ the desktop isn't [21:13] =D [21:14] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [21:17] HI i think I could shrhink my visible screen by TwinView or Xinerama ... is it possible ? [21:20] shrink your screen? why? [21:21] you could always get a ahcksaw [21:21] hacksaw [21:22] put it in the dryer [21:22] kingbeowulf (n=kingbeow@ip11.73.dhcp-acs2.511.iinet.com) joined ##slackware. [21:22] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:23] Reticenti: sure i will use the hacksaw ... [21:24] i think we're trying to say we don't understand the question [21:25] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:26] I mean I want to have the screen inside some black borders .. do you get it ? [21:26] btw bash-3.1# slackpkg info kdevelop-3.5.3-i486-3 PACKAGE NAME: kdevelop-3.9.97-i486-1.txz; how to fix this ? [21:26] one screen or two? the items you mentioned are both specific to dual screens [21:27] maddslacker: no, I have one lcd and want ot use one screen. [21:27] then you do not want twinview or xinerama [21:27] try xrandr [21:28] xrandr - that utility just gives me segfaults [21:28] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:29] maddslacker: how about my second question. .. seems I have little mess with kdevelop ... [21:29] drkstr (n=not@unaffiliated/dedhed) joined ##slackware. [21:29] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:39] Anyone know why Audacious is missing the cd audio plugin in Slack64 but it is present in the 32bit version ie Audacious-32 play cds , but not Audacious-64. been driving me nuts. (asked under #slackbuilds by mistake) [21:39] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [21:39] magnushc (n=magnushc@ti132110a080-0699.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [21:40] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [21:41] nositelicense (n=quassel@cpe-98-149-8-157.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:43] jjholt (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [21:44] maddslacker (n=corey@c-67-190-191-37.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:44] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@209.189.246.113) joined ##slackware. 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[21:51] nille_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-176.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:52] hello [21:53] Pig_Pen, yep.. epic fail. on plugin compile wavpack.c has an undefined symbol whic I tried to patch, it compiled but then Audacious2 wont play anything and seg faults on cd [21:54] MODE_DNS was undefined [21:54] I used the newest version [21:54] stable that is [21:55] i got audacious2 and plugins to build and run in slack13 (32 bit version) but i looked at gkrellm while it was running and it was eating up CPU cycles like i was compiling source code just from playing an mp3 file so i ditched it and went back to xmms [21:55] Pig_Pen: i seen something today, that i am trying to figure out how they did it, this pc boots i see fedora boot splash with short countdown, then continues to windows. the magic was that fedora boot splash has a recovery image behind it, press 1 for this recovery or 2 for this option. any ideas? [21:56] i have no idea i never customized boot splashes, the most i ever do to boot is set up vga=### [21:57] TClayton, this is a slackware channel, recall [21:57] we don't care that your fedora option boots windows [21:57] i dont use fedora [21:58] Kahlua on the rocks! tasty [21:59] beer with a lime [21:59] magnushc (n=magnushc@ti132110a080-0699.bb.online.no) left irc: "Leaving" [22:00] nyRednek_ (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:00] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:01] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:01] Nick change: nyRednek_ -> nyRednek [22:03] mike-vm (n=michael@99-166-165-150.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:03] mike-home (n=michael@99-166-165-150.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:03] Pig_Pen: i know it sounds odd.. but try kahlua and milk [22:04] Pig_pen XMMS has problems recognizing the audio cd but it does have a plugin. can see it te gui [22:06] kahlua & milk sounds a little bit like a white russian [22:06] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: "going going gone" [22:06] sounds like coffee to me [22:09] well that odd...XMMS stopped doesn;t play sound. [22:09] but the white russian has kahlua in it anyway [22:09] or something of similar coffee flavor [22:10] kingbeowulf: i dont know what to tell you, i dont have any 64 bit hardware to do any testing on [22:10] Pig_Pen, well going 64 has been an adventure. [22:10] ok mplayer plays it... [22:11] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@222.90.207.195) joined ##slackware. [22:11] maybe get some CD ripping software going and show your wife how to rip audio files from her CDroms [22:11] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@222.90.207.195) left ##slackware. [22:11] but no sound out of XMMS. weird [22:11] dorin_ro (n=dorin@109.96.218.95) joined ##slackware. [22:12] Nick change: dorin_ro -> oxiredo [22:12] i bet my next PC i build will be 64 bit since it is becoming more common and 32 bit hardware is getting obsolete or at least harder to find [22:12] how can i 'halt` my sistem as a normal user ? [22:13] configure sudo, [22:13] powerbutton? ;) [22:13] add them to tjhe power group and configure your apps accordingly [22:13] no,not the power buton [22:13] Pig_Pen, it is indeed. [22:14] i want to use it with 'sleep` ? [22:14] the power group wont help fro the command line [22:14] i want to use it with 'sleep` !! * [22:15] you'll have to configure for gui log in, set users to power group, then configure power settings for slepp anetc [22:15] Nick change: Guest42508 -> akber [22:15] so,add my username to group power? [22:15] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [22:15] Nick change: akber -> init[1] [22:16] yes. Then HAL is used in KDE and Xfce to give halt and slepp and all taht jazz [22:17] http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-user/291256-how-hibernate-command-line-without-typing-password.html [22:18] oxiredo: ^^ check that out [22:18] Pig_Pen, and any others, Slackware64 has some goofy issues with audio CDs that aren't present in Slackware32 [22:18] yes,i saw it [22:18] raelaa (n=heather@c-76-100-139-184.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] but now it is realy late here;just want to halt my pc as nmormal user ^^ [22:19] then I cant/wont help [22:19] I'm trying to load the ndiswrapper module on another laptop.. when I modprobe, it says it can't find it, but I can see it on locate - is there a way to point it to the module? [22:20] i try to ass my user to power group and checak to see if that work [22:20] ass= add ^^ :)) [22:21] Action: init[1] seamonkey in SSA [22:21] just power down. su then halt [22:21] why sleep? [22:22] whell,my computer it is downloading somethin big [22:22] but,u are right,i can use su for that [22:23] Nick change: raelaa -> raela [22:26] jjholt (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:27] whell,my user belong now to 'power' group; but still: shutdown: you must be root to do that!" [22:27] oxiredo: the next two lines go in a shell init file: [22:27] alias "reboot=sudo /sbin/shutdown -r now" [22:27] alias "halt=sudo /sbin/shutdown -h now" [22:27] oxiredo: the next to /etc/sudoers: [22:27] oxiredo, if you use Xfce and add yourself to the power group, the quit/logout dialog box will have halt, reboot, hibernate etc options [22:28] %power ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:/sbin/shutdown -r now [22:28] %power ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:/sbin/shutdown -h now [22:28] and then there's what kingbeowulf said. [22:28] i c [22:28] raela: run depmod [22:28] tnx [22:29] good evening rworkman [22:29] TClayton: hey hey [22:30] rworkman: thanks. still need to fight it, though :/ [22:30] raela: is the module compiled against that kernel version? [22:30] define "fight it" [22:32] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102141836]" [22:32] rworkman: I have 2 kernels I use, but only one will work with ndiswrapper and I forgot which it is. one kernel gets a kernel panic when I modprobe ndiswrapper and the other doesn't find it (because I guess it isn't compiled for it) [22:34] Okay. If/when you figure out which is which and stop guessing about whether you actually compiled the module for both kernels, let me know and I'll try to help troubleshoot from there. [22:37] kingbeowulf (n=kingbeow@ip11.73.dhcp-acs2.511.iinet.com) left ##slackware ("mmm....dinner...."). [22:37] halting any time now [22:37] SkyNet_ONE (n=Ederson@201-1-74-191.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:37] so,by all [22:38] oxiredo (n=dorin@109.96.218.95) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:41] SkyNet_ONE (n=Ederson@201-1-74-191.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [22:42] laters, sleepytime for me! [22:42] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [22:42] rworkman: found it out.. apparently, my brother compiled over my working kernel with a lesser-functioning one. the other kernel has a ndiswrapper module and kernel panics when I go to load it [22:45] I'm having an issue with the raw1394 module. If I boot my machine with the device plugged in I can access it (hdv camera) but if I plug it in while the machine is on it seems to load the proper modules but dvgrab always reports no camera. [22:45] any ideas? [22:45] I don't think it's a hardware thing because windows seems to allow me to hotplug the camera.. [22:46] two noob brothers compiling over each other's kernels? sounds like fun! [22:46] corey (n=corey@ppp-69-214-3-237.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving." [22:47] mancha: hey, I'm the sister :P he was trying to get direct rendering working for me, but my setup ended up better than his [22:48] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [22:49] this can only be settled one way! mud wrestling! [22:50] pics or it aint true :P [22:50] raelakoira (n=raela@c-76-100-139-184.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:50] andarius: I had a slackwaregallery account a few years ago. I don't know if pics are still up [22:53] ah, got it [22:54] raela: good deal. :) [22:54] corey (n=corey@adsl-68-248-195-229.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [22:56] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-71-62-151-44.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:00] thepeng (n=thepeng@m450436d0.tmodns.net) joined ##slackware. [23:01] thepeng (n=thepeng@m450436d0.tmodns.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:02] habaneros (n=habanero@123.250.102.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:02] slackwaregallery...sounds funky, where it be? [23:02] corey (n=corey@adsl-68-248-195-229.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving." [23:03] earp_child (n=Dirty@72-4-87-94.gncsin06.customers.broadreach.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] slackwaregallery.org [23:04] corey (n=corey@adsl-68-248-195-229.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] looks like all of my uploads are gone now anyway [23:06] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.174.107.121) joined ##slackware. [23:06] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.13.160) joined ##slackware. [23:06] TClayton (n=TClayton@unaffiliated/tclayton) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:07] thx drkstr [23:07] someone there using kde? [23:08] acidtripper: chances are the answer will be "yes". [23:08] kde corrupted my icon cache on a certain box and i don't even use kde!! [23:08] smallgoat_ (n=andy@host86-162-129-245.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:08] edman007, quit frontin [23:08] talk about a far-reaching piece of malware/bloatware! [23:08] I use some kde apps, but I use fluxbox [23:09] Action: edman007 quits nixchix0r [23:09] BP{k}, do you know howto have trasparent background when logout? [23:09] smallgoat_ (n=andy@host86-149-118-181.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [23:09] you can't quite me! [23:09] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.24.164) joined ##slackware. [23:09] couse when i click on logout/shutdown dialog my backgorund becomes black [23:09] not transparent as i would like :P [23:09] acidtripper, how would that work? [23:09] acidtripper, maybe it is transparent, but black behind that [23:09] acidtripper: no, I don't use KDE. [23:10] nixchix0r, and i just did [23:10] if your background is transparent what do you see through it? heh [23:10] yes on other distros, kde shutdown dialog have transparent background and you can see desktop behind it [23:10] the super-duper-background? [23:10] and now it's only black :/ [23:10] dialog in black space [23:12] earp_child (n=Dirty@72-4-87-94.gncsin06.customers.broadreach.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:12] why do you need it transparent when you logout/shutdown? it's only going to be there another half a second anyway.. [23:12] RJz0r (n=wafflez@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:13] i'd be happy just understanding what a transparent background is :) [23:13] mancha: good point [23:14] when i click on logout dialog, this dialog appears with : logout, shutdown, reboot, options.. and the background becomes black, not trasparent as i would like, trasparent means that dialogs appear with a transparent cape and you can see desktop [23:14] like in windows 95 logout, a transparent cape covers desktop... [23:15] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [23:15] vvor (n=vvor@bzq-82-81-161-217.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:15] It just might be a function of the logout dialog to disable those features [23:17] yes, but i cant find it [23:18] oh the dialog itself goes black so you can't see the options? [23:18] noo i can see options but background is black [23:18] and i cant see desktop [23:19] does it revert to normal if you cancel the shutdown/logout etc? [23:19] raela (n=heather@c-76-100-139-184.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:19] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.174.107.121) left irc: "leaving" [23:20] Nick change: raelakoira -> raela [23:21] man, the problem is inside desktop [23:22] when i click o logout all works fine but backgroud is black and i want it trasparant to see desktop behind not dialog in black space [23:23] does kde have a composting enable/disable option [23:23] ? [23:23] cal (n=cal@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [23:23] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] enabled [23:23] I can't seem to get resolution above 800x600? [23:23] Nick change: cal -> Guest83196 [23:24] my question required a yes or no [23:24] heh [23:24] hi i'm thinking of installing a linux on a p2 pc for a frjend....just for web browsing what is a good distro out there? [23:24] ready ;) [23:24] it was a option on effects [23:24] kde control center [23:24] crashdata: you join the Slackware channel, and ask that question? [23:24] velusip (n=velusip@fatwire-204-46.uniserve.ca) left irc: [23:24] close session option [23:24] crash, lesse, since htis is ##slackware i'll recommend centos [23:25] Rage 128 Pro = Display Adapter [23:25] lol!! [23:25] cool [23:25] it's part of our mutual agreement with ##centos, they in turn send people our way... [23:25] habaneros (n=habanero@123.250.102.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:25] crashdata: I'd recommend LFS [23:25] crashdata: You mean ps2? [23:25] danc3, i want slack base linux thats y [23:25] pentium 2 i assume.. [23:25] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [23:25] yah p2 [23:26] crashdata: or PII [23:26] crashdata: then why ask that question??? [23:26] crashdata: Oh ok.. well slackware [23:26] i guess i'll just trim it down [23:26] slackware and use xfce4 [23:26] i heard there is an already trimmed down slack..can't remember what it was [23:27] crashdata: you mean salix? [23:27] maybe [23:27] crashdata: If that's what your thinking, don't bother. [23:27] y? [23:27] crashdata: Not any good. [23:27] ahhh [23:27] a trimmed down slack? how much more trimmed could you need? [23:28] Just install Slackware 13.0 and run xfce4. [23:28] s/xfce/kde/ [23:28] crashdata: What is the processor? [23:28] if all you're gonna do is use it a dumb terminal with a web browser on it, why go with slackware? [23:28] we'll i'm heading to his place...first i'm gonna go stop at a liquor store lolz.. [23:28] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-80-29.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [23:28] this what were doing on a friday nite..lolz get drunk and build a linux box on an old p2 pc :P [23:28] the nice thing about slackware is you can tinker, play, fool around, make it jump on command...if you're not gonna do that...then meh [23:28] i dont know...to be honest it's at my buddies place [23:29] if it's a p2, use something even lighter weight, flux, openbox, windowmaker [23:29] he just said p2 processor [23:29] i'm gonna burn it [23:29] I can't seem to figure out how to changer resolution. Anyone? [23:30] just make sure you're ready to teach him how to use it. [23:30] yah..his just going to use firefox [23:30] sooner or later he will want to download something or play an mp3 [23:30] true. [23:30] crashdata: What speed is the PII? 500MHz? Or______? [23:30] or watch that flash-based pr0n [23:30] i'm thinking 500 [23:30] ++mancha; [23:30] its really old pc [23:31] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [23:31] mancha, nice [23:31] crashdata: If it's really old, don't try using GUI on it, you will fall asleep before you get anywhere with it. [23:31] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:31] i'll check it first... [23:31] thanks for info. [23:32] crashdata: How much memory? [23:32] now i need to transfer my slack on dvd to cdrom [23:32] i have tons of memeory [23:32] crashdata: Just put it on a USB stick. [23:32] u think it will boot on usb? [23:32] those old pc might not have that function [23:32] a p2? chances are the bios doesn't support boot from usb [23:33] crashdata: No, just boot CD1 and then install packages from USB [23:33] did p2's even have usb ports? [23:33] mancha, good question [23:33] I do it that way every time. USB is faster than DVD or CD. [23:33] how big is slack again? [23:34] emyfing, with all the frills is about 3.5 gigs [23:34] crashdata: It will fit on a 2G flash drive. [23:34] Oh yea, installed about 3.5G [23:34] ahh I dont have 2GB flash [23:34] i'll check this out...k guys i'm heading out [23:34] thanks for hte info [23:34] crashdata: Then just use CDs [23:35] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [23:35] yah...thanks Guest13820 [23:35] Guest83196, i mean :) [23:35] Someone wanna tell me how to get higher resolution? [23:35] I do not have xorg.conf [23:35] I gues I can run X -configure ? [23:35] run that. [23:35] or if u have nvidia graphics [23:36] download the driver at nvidia.. [23:36] or run 'xorgsetup' [23:36] ok [23:36] Guest83196 (n=cal@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:38] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:46] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:47] vvoody (n=wxj_g_sh@116.225.11.21) joined ##slackware. [23:47] vvoody (n=wxj_g_sh@116.225.11.21) left ##slackware. 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