[00:00] where S are letters of surname, F are letters of first name, N are numbers, starting at 01 [00:00] spook: ? sfn? [00:00] so i would be wirena01 [00:00] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [00:00] if theres another wirena, they are wirena02 [00:00] etc. [00:00] your name is Alan Wirenut? [00:01] danc3: if you want it to be. [00:01] heh [00:01] i usually just give them a user name [00:01] spook: hmm ok, that sounds nice but what about samba shares and mail? for mail i can use some mapping or similar, but filenames? also I don't want the clients to connect via imap with virena02 [00:01] 8 characters starting with last name [00:02] TwinReverb: but then for samba shares and mail? [00:03] i don't want their email to be wirena02@domain.com... irena.williams@domain.com looks better :p [00:03] kestrel1 (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:03] infernal_jesus (n=igor@unaffiliated/infernaljesus/x-763248) left irc: Nick collision from services. [00:03] clueless27, same thing. [00:03] linux user accounts must be all lower case (that much i know) [00:03] i don't know about how big the user name itself can be or what it can include [00:04] TwinReverb: yes, i know, but what i will like to know is how to map that with mail and samba shares... i mean if it's even possible [00:04] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [00:04] clueless27: every account has a fullname, room number etc associated with it. [00:05] used my finger i think. [00:06] Pull my finger. [00:06] [ in bed ] [00:06] Nice. [00:06] rworkman: are you the one whos married to the registered nurse? [00:07] spook: yep; afk for a sec [00:07] rworkman: finally! [00:07] you. lucky. bastard. [00:07] BP{k}: lol [00:07] lw0x15: what the heck are you doing awake :) [00:07] why is he lucky to be married to an RN? [00:08] spook: yes I know, but maybe I'm not making myself clear enough... this is the issue, if I make a user account as "msmith" in the server (file server and mail server), problem is that then in msmith pc he must use msmith as login, and they will like to have mike.smith as email address (this can be configured right? i mean using mapping) is there a way for the client to only use mike as his pc logging? [00:08] what is he authenticating to? [00:08] sounds like you need to hire a consultant :) [00:08] samba share [00:08] because if its any sort of centralised thing, you dont have a choice. [00:09] spook: no, not really [00:09] you cant have two accounts called mike. [00:09] BP{k}: nothing :( [00:09] listening to birds [00:09] damm birds [00:09] lol [00:09] installing x264 [00:09] :> [00:10] spook: but the idea is not to give mike more than one username/password combination [00:10] BP{k}: actually half of my legs are in bed [00:10] :] [00:11] spook: for example if I make an alias of msmith to mike.smith@domain.com for email, then if he wants to check his email via webmail he will like to log in with msmith instead that mike.smith... right? is there a way to map this? [00:11] was kvm okay in 12.1? [00:11] lw0x15: heh /dev/gf is warming the bed up for me ;) [00:11] s/like/need [00:12] lol [00:12] fsck /dev/gf [00:13] clueless27: nah, I doubt you have a chance ;) [00:13] :)) [00:14] even if you pull it off, how will you manage the mappings when someone leaves or joins the company [00:14] BP{k}: not me, my /dev/gf hasn't been mounted that much :p [00:14] if the answer is anything but "all from the same places, done at the same time" you'll just make more work for yourself in the long run [00:15] wait where are the packages held ? [00:15] spook: yes I know, but I just need to know if such a thing is even possible [00:15] i remember BP{k} you showed me the cli [00:15] lw0x15: packages, or a list of what is installed on your systme? [00:15] list [00:15] /var/log/packages/ [00:16] no patches for 2.6.28 yet... [00:16] thnx [00:17] spook: i mean I know it's possible to have a local user as user00131416 and that will be his mailbox in /var/spool/mail and all, then an alias for user00131416 to mike.smith, but then the problem comes when he wants to check his email via webmail... he will have to log in as user00131416 instead of mike.smith, as well as for imap... is there a way to map those too? (that's my real question) [00:17] upyr_ (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [00:18] sigh. [00:19] upyr_ (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: Client Quit [00:20] gm152_ (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:21] spook: am I talking nonsenses? :( [00:22] you're talking more work for youself than its worth [00:22] spook: problem is that the user wants his email as firstname.lastname :( I can't deny him that [00:23] why can't you deny him that? [00:23] say it is impossible [00:23] tell him its a security risk [00:23] then hit him with a lart [00:23] and the waffleiron. [00:24] and a cluebat [00:24] tank-man: because he will not pay me :( and his partners have it in that fashion [00:24] And a watermelon on a stick, for good measure. [00:24] heh :) [00:24] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.28.25) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [00:26] you know clueless27 .... [00:26] you could have solved this problem about `3 hours` ago. [00:26] FriedBob_ (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [00:26] root@hades:~# adduser [00:26] Login name for new user []: mike.smith [00:26] BP{k}: how? [00:26] - User 'mike.smith' contains illegal characters (period/dot); please choose another [00:26] by just simple testing ^^ that ;) [00:27] BP{k}: I already do that [00:27] that's why i was asking [00:27] ... [00:27] clueless27: The way I would do it .. is to see what the mailserver software etc can support, then work your way back. [00:27] next you are going to tell us you are using ubuntu [00:27] lol [00:28] anyone here use xvesa then? [00:28] tank-man: :( actually I am... i'm the server... i think this stuff have postfix but not sure... i can't change the operating system either [00:29] (tinyx) [00:29] clueless27: wait .. you're using ubuntuserver? [00:29] ... [00:29] lol [00:29] lol [00:29] (but don't ban me just yet... i hate ubuntu) [00:29] http://noobfarm.org/?id=644 [00:29] right. I am done. [00:29] BP{k}: yes :( that's what they have [00:29] why aren't you bugging the Noobuntu group? [00:30] danc3: i did... and got banned... still not sure why... [00:30] har! [00:30] so that's why i'm bothering you... :p [00:30] I don't suppose you have a copy of that log. [00:31] lol [00:31] jkwood: no [00:31] man, i feel bad for that guy in the log [00:31] man this is fun [00:31] at least you've chosen an appropriate nickname... [00:31] clueless27: ^^^ [00:31] mordy: it was a good time .. I remember that :) [00:31] Sad day. I was gonna noobfarm it. =/ [00:31] No manual entry for this is fun [00:32] :( [00:32] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [00:32] jkwood: but it was like, i ask something... they sent me a link... i read the link.. there's something about debian... i ask about that... the same guy that sent me the link says debian is not ubuntu and i should ask in debian... i reply with wtf... i'm reading what you sent me... and next thing i knew i was banned [00:33] yeah, and if he would have gone to #debian, they would have told him "go to #ubuntu" [00:33] clueless27: i hope you arent 27years old [00:33] And this was #ubuntu? [00:33] Action: jkwood goes looking for public logs [00:33] jkwood: yes [00:33] Today? [00:33] lw0x15: i am... but my mental age is like 12... [00:34] lol [00:34] lmao [00:34] jkwood: nop, last week or so... [00:34] Ah. Same nickname? [00:34] jkwood: nop [00:34] jeez [00:34] BP{k}: any bacon left? [00:34] K. Let me see if they have public logs... I have to see this. [00:34] lw0x15: yes :) [00:34] wooo [00:35] i want bacon really badly now :D [00:35] Action: danc3 wants some bacon [00:35] and it seems I *Have* to have bacon and eggs and again tomorrow *sigh* ;) [00:35] i guess the friendly ubuntu community isn't as it is purported to be [00:35] actually they are pretty helpful [00:35] if u arent 12 years mentala ge [00:35] mental age* [00:35] well, if what this guy is saying is true.. then i'm having second thought [00:36] SCORE! http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/ [00:36] it's true... i can log into #ubuntu but i don't have voice... [00:37] BP{k}: have different types of egg with bacon everyday [00:37] lw0x15: no thanks. Gotta mind the weight a bit. [00:37] hehe [00:37] i was asking about installing ubuntu from floppy or network, the floppy approach in their documentation says that i need to get a sarge image... when i ask about that they send me to debian... (his textual words was: sarge is debian, this is ubuntu) [00:38] or something [00:38] i think sarge is when ubuntu forked from debian [00:38] ubuntu is a fork from debian, and sarge is an old distribution of debian. nevertheless i don't think sarge is even supported anymore [00:39] mordy: i don't know... i have been using slackware since always... but what can I do... clients want ubuntu because that's what they read on the forums and stuff... so, it's that or nothing... [00:39] clueless27: What was your nick? You can pm it to me if you want. [00:39] clueless, you can give them something else, and make it look like ubuntu [00:39] the name isn't copyright or anything, is it? [00:40] or maybe it is.. lol [00:40] I'm sure it is. [00:40] just call it newbuntu [00:40] :D [00:41] clueless27: too much SNMP [00:41] jkwood: i don't remember... it was something like frustrated17 or frustrated27 or something... or maybe i used the one i always use when i'm not asking embarassing questions like this (P4C0) [00:41] simple network management protocol? [00:41] stupidity of non-technical managers proposals [00:41] oh [00:41] lol [00:41] lol [00:41] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [00:42] clueless27: just use slackware and tell them its ubuntu [00:42] .... [00:42] trust me they won't know the difference. it's linux after all. you cann change it however you want [00:42] i will pretend i didn't hear spook. [00:42] yes, but my account questions will still be the same :( [00:42] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:42] TIAS? [00:43] Cann0n: what? [00:43] TIAS? [00:43] Try It And See [00:43] tits & ass? [00:43] clueless27: That's T&A [00:43] or A&> T [00:43] FriedBob_: sorry english is not my native language :p [00:44] also, typically, time spent in reading man pages is more productive than time spent asking in IRC. [00:44] making up acronyms ftw [00:44] unless you're like me and the thing oyuo want to know more abouut has a manpage of 10 lines and no helpful options [00:44] question: what is better: ass or tits?? ... answer: tits... because placed in the right way they look like an ass :p [00:44] BITD = back in the day [00:44] Cann0n: what was wrong with what i said? [00:45] mordy: That's why there is info [00:45] clueless, and with the right amount of pimples, an ass can look like a nice chest [00:45] spook, never give slackwares credit away to ubuntu... :P [00:45] friedbob... let me see if this has an info page, but i doubt it. [00:45] mordy: Don't forget the hair. [00:45] well... you can have that on boobs too... O.o [00:45] mordy: but i prefer to cover the nipples with my thumbs than get an ass with pimples :p [00:46] each to his own... [00:46] heey, but focus!! back to my question :p can sendmail support alias as user666 to mike.smith and can imapd (that comes with slackware) supports that mapping as well? i have never got into that situation... anyone? [00:47] friedbob, this thing has an identical ifno page... [00:48] clueless27: sendmail can definitely support that alias, but are you asking if there's a "single point of config" that will make both sendmail and imapd respect the same alias ? [00:48] i can't stand info, neither can i stand it when a man page states that "Oh, you better use info, we have the "Full" documentation there" and then it's the exact same thing as the manpage [00:48] mordy, you have no idea how many times I say exactly that to myself [00:48] rk4n3: no, i mean no problem if I have to modify 45 config files it's ok, i just want the user to put mike.smith into his imap login and get loged as user666 [00:49] Old_Fogie, i havent came up with a personal use for cron yet... [00:49] old_fogie, have you developed a rapport with yourself too [00:49] lol 666 [00:49] 69 [00:49] clueless, trust me you don't want to manually modify 45 config files and then get a syntax error and then break your head trying to figure out what's wrong [00:50] but hey, maybe you do [00:50] Cann0n, if you like I'll write a bash script that sends $1 paypals to my account from your account for cron if you like :) [00:50] clueless27: I don't know much about imap, but that doesn't sound likely ... [00:50] lol [00:50] rk4n3: doesn't sounds likely to me either... that's why i'm asking... [00:50] i wonder what gmail use... [00:51] clueless27: I would think delivery redirection would take precedence, and login/credential redirection sounds like a bad idea to me [00:51] and now i'm stuck between something that works but i don't know how to configure, and something i know how to configure, but doesn't work [00:51] Old_Fogie, i'll 15 * * * * /home/jack/bin/old_fogie2.sh right away [00:51] Cann0n, hahah :) [00:52] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:52] cann0n, old fogie just wants you to send him your first argument $1 to his paypal account [00:53] clueless27: in other words, to get the same effect, it would be better to have mike.smith log in as mike.smith, and have mail addressed to user666 just delivered to the mike.smith account [00:53] this is crazy... there's no inetd here... nor inittab [00:53] ubuntu doesnn't have inittab? [00:53] rk4n3: but, there's a dot between mike and smith... and can't make a linux account with that [00:54] clueless27: And that's why I hate admin'ing Ubuntu. They mess with EVERYTHING. [00:54] mordy: at least not this... or i can't find it [00:54] I ate inittab [00:54] lol [00:54] be kind rewind is on.... [00:54] brb [00:54] clueless27, 'sysv-rc-conf' is nice app for managing debian init [00:54] and worst of all..... ubuntu has no mascot [00:54] clueless27: ah, I see ... [00:54] jkwood: yes... system v is quite a pain already... but this makes me want to punch someone on the face [00:54] Nick change: FriedBob_ -> FriedBob [00:54] hmmm neither does debian actually [00:55] mordy: yes it has... a couple of balls making a bigger ball... [00:55] mordy: they do those two looking day guys in brown t-shirts [00:55] in that ad [00:55] gay* [00:55] ubuntu brownshirts... doesn't sound good [00:55] ^^ [00:55] but it makes sense... what else is brown? [00:55] UPS [00:55] shit, and nazi uniforms [00:56] yup... ubuntu fits there... nicely [00:56] lol [00:56] As in "What can Brown do for you?" [00:56] gordon brown [00:56] clueless27: so you're basically looking for a way to provide accounts with first.last format on a unix system (at least for mail, anyway) [00:56] rk4n3: yes! [00:56] you can escape the \. of course, i think [00:57] rk4n3: i can do the alias in sendmail/postfix but then the imap part is the one that worries me [00:57] nobody here use TinyX? :( [00:57] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.80.205.157) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:58] clueless27: yes, its the whole user-name and credential part of login that is your problem, whether using imap or pop or any other access that uses the unix login/credentials for access [00:59] but it will be nice for imapd to make the translation... [01:00] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) left irc: [01:00] clueless27: you'll run into the same problem with user ID length, as well ... the lengths of the first and last name are very likely to overflow the max for userid [01:00] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left ##slackware ("Gone to do something useful!"). [01:00] rk4n3: hmm yes... but how does gmail does it? :p [01:01] clueless27: userid and credential "masquerade" is the kind of feature you're looking for, and I have never heard of such a thing ever being provided... I could be wrong though [01:01] clueless27: I'm not clear that gmail does [01:01] How can I tell how long the last uptime was for my machine? And how can I tell if the last shutdown was normal (not caused by power failure or system crash?) [01:01] fghd (n=fghd@92.255.165.237) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:02] nathanbw: use last command [01:03] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [01:03] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "BitchX: ..(cyp): gone" [01:04] clueless27, brilliant. Thanks! [01:04] nathanbw: no prob ;) [01:05] in top, whats %wa represent, its in the cpu line [01:06] manual page is not helpful :( [01:07] wa=wait [01:08] what does that mean? [01:12] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:12] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:12] spook: Amount of time the CPU has been waiting for I/O to complete., it's like idle time of the cpu [01:13] anybody know if they make flexible keyboards with hard keys? [01:13] oh, so doing lots of disk intensive things would result in large wait? [01:13] spook: like the cpu is taking care of the process but there's a point where it can't process because it's waiting for io operation to complete... i think that applies as well for mutex/locks and such, but not sure [01:13] spook: i think so [01:21] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [01:22] fghd (n=fghd@94.181.198.52) joined ##slackware. [01:23] ugh, boost takes foreveeer to build [01:23] yeah [01:23] does anyone run the /testing kde on slackware 12.2? how does it work out for you? [01:25] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:25] my stupid panels. i don't understand why xfce suddenly doesn't know what resolution my screen is [01:26] steerpike, so does KDE --> 01:25:13 up 1 day, 10:41, 1 user, load average: 1.66, 1.55, 1.48 [01:26] :S [01:27] heh, and it just hit 'koffice' about 10 minutes ago, gonna be another day for that one. [01:27] i gave up on desktop managers years ago [01:28] steerpike: screen is my WM, and emacs my desktop environment/manager [01:28] all hail he who endures self torture. [01:28] spook: I'm curious too - how does being married to an RN make me lucky? :) [01:29] rworkman: You can live out the hot nurse fantay every night? That is, if it wasn't for the "fact" that sex stops when the rings come on. ;) [01:29] s/tay/tasy/ [01:30] As usual, the truth is somewhere in the middle... :) [01:30] Man can't eat grill cheese sammiche's everday [01:30] what do you guys think of this: http://cgi.ebay.com/Flexible-Roll-Up-USB-Silicone-Mini-Keyboard-Black-214_W0QQitemZ280299552681QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item280299552681&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A15|39%3A1|240%3A1318 [01:30] woh [01:30] (long url, sorry) [01:30] give a heads up [01:31] I think urlx.eu loves you and wants you to be happy. [01:31] thought I was having flashbacks :) [01:32] Thing is tho, what if *his* RN is an RN that works in proctocolgy? [01:32] Is he still lucky then? hahah [01:32] Old_Fogie: Maybe he is into that. A lot of straight men are. The whole "male g-spot" thing. [01:32] ugh, forget I asked [01:33] Action: Old_Fogie mails a chiaobama to rworkman and family in celebration :) [01:33] http://www.chiaobama.com/ [01:34] fluxnuk3r: I have used similar ones like that .. wasn't too impressed. :) [01:35] root__ (n=nukedclx@aeiz79.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:35] Warning: Lots of noise on Old_Fogie s link :-) [01:35] Funny though [01:35] does slackware have secret mind reading powers? i log in and it tells me "You will feel hungry again in another hour." [01:35] nathanbw, :) [01:36] Minagi, hahah! I had one on login that was like "computer error..computer will shutdown in 5 minutes so get your work done" hahah. [01:36] slackware is anti-dieting :( [01:37] it WANTS me to make those hot dogs i've been looking at [01:37] Minagi, it's part of bsdgames, it's exectured on login from /etc/profile.d/bsd-games-login-fortune.sh [01:37] Minagi, haha [01:38] which reminds me, now I see why it's quiet in here tonight. "The Moon is Waning Crescent (49% of Full)" [01:39] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn23.91-127-241.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [01:39] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [01:40] can someone recommend an ftpd? i've never used ftpds on linux, only windows :x preferably something easy to setup [01:43] vsftpd [01:44] looks like i have the installed already. i have no idea what was installed exactly from the full dvd install :\ thanks, i'll check it out [01:46] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [01:46] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [01:49] BP{k}, jbgpuref! <--rot13 encryption :) [01:51] Old_Fogie, no wai! <- double rot13 encryption [01:51] well, now i need a lightweight xterm that's decent [01:52] Action: edman007 always uses double rot13 when on irc [01:52] what are you guys talking about? <-- double secret probation [01:52] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [01:52] double rot13? [01:53] clueless27 (n=sysadmin@190.141.76.51) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [01:53] mordy: how about xterm ? [01:53] rk4n3, heh I was thinking same thing [01:53] :) [01:53] edman007, is that onbaord in Slack? [01:53] I need something I can write with, like a pencil. Any ideas? [01:53] rk4n3, somehting that has a copy/paste context menu on right click would be nice [01:54] Old_Fogie, no, its an option in the kernel [01:54] edman007, oh yea? huh. [01:54] double rot13 on all network traffic [01:54] edman007: in the network section? [01:55] mordy: that specific feature is something that's important to you ? Are you familiar with how xterm's copy/paste works ? [01:55] tulas (n=tulas@118-160-166-185.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:55] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiz79.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [01:55] rk4n3, a bit - pretty much like the a regular console with gpm does it. and i don't like that [01:56] I use xterm if compiling, ever since Slack 12. For some reason, konsole, gnome term, xfterm..just too laggy. [01:56] briareus, yea, but the config option is double rot13 encrypted too [01:56] right click, drag, release, then middle click to paste [01:57] hmm [01:57] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.78.215) joined ##slackware. [01:58] mordy: close ... one way is left-click, drag, release, then middle-click to paste. Another is right-click to set beginning spot, left-click to set ending spot, middle-click to paste [01:58] uva (i=bono@118-160-162-224.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:58] mordy: the second lets you scroll around to set the end, so you can span screens with your copy [01:58] Sleepymess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [01:58] Organizm (n=lane@c-69-243-237-4.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:59] rk4n3, i don't like that system, because i like to click around indiscriminately [01:59] it's like the equivalent to biting your nails :-/ [02:00] slackpkg doesn't have lxde? [02:00] edman007: any chance you know the $FLAG_ because I can't grep for rot13, I'm cruising menuconfig now [02:00] UrchLap (n=urchlay@c-24-131-55-107.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:00] mordy: I see ... well, I guess another terminal might be your best bet [02:01] yeah, which terminal would that be :P [02:01] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:01] mordy, old box, not so fast X, xterm, or rxvt or mrxvt only choices really imo. [02:01] gnome-terminal would lag horribly on this (even xterm lags actually) [02:01] rxvt... that's a good idea [02:01] hah, I didn't say it because I felt I didn't know enough, but rxvt is what I was going to say [02:02] I use gnome-terminal for stuff that doesn't have screen updates much. [02:02] and now i'm manually installign some more x libs for that :P [02:03] I'd love to know why konsole, and xfterm are just so slow now adays tho. [02:03] hmm.. but rxvt doesn't have a right-click context menu [02:03] gnome term too fwiw [02:03] probably because they depend on huge libs? [02:03] If I run a slackbuild, with tar -zxvf <-- the "v" in there, oh man...forget it, the UI becomes unusable. [02:04] mordy, I think it's something more with the fonts, not sure [02:04] I mean xterm is no problem, or rxvt too [02:04] hmmm... [02:04] Old_Fogie: disable composite extension in X? [02:04] something with gnome term and xfterm (they use "vte" for terminal) and konsole uses ? I dunno. [02:04] UrchLap, yup makes no difference [02:04] (maybe not, I had slow-ass xterm/rxvt scrolling too) [02:05] my whole UI is unusable, if I untar a linux kernel with the 'v' on [02:05] yuck [02:05] and I have even, half screen of konsole, or xfterm [02:05] what's vte? virtual terminal emulator? [02:05] either way, to run vte i need yet another X lib :P [02:05] mordy, some kind of underlying guts for xfterm and gnometerm [02:05] wow I don't have that happen [02:06] UrchLap, but ironically, I can run neverball, tvtime at same time, no hickups..so I dunno [02:06] I mean if I drag my transparent Eterm around while its untarring a kernel, I might experience some lag, but not much more than that [02:06] this happens for me on 2500 mhz boxen too full 'maximize' terminals, dont matter if it's a fast box or slow one. [02:07] hmm [02:07] now, if I use ati binary or nvidia binry blobs..then no problem. [02:07] on the fast box only [02:07] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:07] so kernel+xvesa uses 145/192MB ram :| [02:07] just my opinion, but I really hate rxvt ... I always have huge problems with it [02:08] rk4n3, I find rxvt *really* slow over ssh connections using midnight commander. [02:08] hit arrow down..woh is it slow [02:08] konsole, gnometerm, xfterm no issue [02:09] yeah terminals, they're funny lately I'm finding [02:09] Old_Fogie: yeah, its actually problems with ncurses programs that cause alot of the problems I see [02:09] rk4n3, I wouldn't doubt it, ever see all the patches for ncurses :) [02:09] and midnight commander too, oh my [02:09] Old_Fogie: I use lots of ncurses programs, so that really gets to me [02:10] ncurses is awesome, wish there were more stuff that used it [02:10] do i need the entire cryptographic API thing in my kernel? [02:10] Old_Fogie: yeah, but I'm pretty sure its more rxvt's fault ... the ncurses programs all work fine in other terminal apps [02:10] Action: UrchLap tends to stick with good ol' xterm [02:10] Action: rk4n3 too [02:10] UrchLap, I'm using xterm almost exclusively now for the most part [02:10] eh, though for some reason this irssi session's running in rxvt [02:11] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:11] Action: rk4n3 slaps UrchLap [02:11] haha :) [02:11] I cant stand lag in the terminal window [02:11] oh, I know why. xterm screws up copy/paste [02:11] UrchLap, what do you mean? [02:11] xterm ever ncurses, mc, editors irssi, all just work [02:11] bono (i=bono@118-160-162-224.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [02:11] specifically, if I copy a link from xterm, and the irc client makes the xterm scroll before I actually get it pasted into the browser, nothing gets pasted [02:12] rxvt doesn't have that problem [02:12] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:12] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [02:12] Bugz___ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-69-6.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:12] it might be a termcap issue - what termcap is usually set in the rxvt shell that your irssi session runs in ? [02:13] fluxnuk31 (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [02:13] Action: hiptobecubic starts compiling qt4.4.3 [02:14] hm, /exec echo $TERM in irssi gives me "tty". Weird. [02:14] jescis_ (n=jescis@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:14] UrchLap: if you set TERM=tty in an xterm, you may find that it works the same as in rxvt [02:15] actually I'd expect setting TERM=tty would fail miserably to run anything curses-like [02:15] guessing irssi passes TERM=tty to subprocesses [02:15] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-69-6.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:15] UrchLap: ah, you're probably right [02:16] if I just run rxvt and echo $TERM there, it's xterm-color [02:16] same as in xterm [02:16] UrchLap: ah, if you were to try TERM=xterm in an xterm, you might see some difference ... [02:17] eh, doubtful. Seems like I played with TERM settings... can't remember now, been a problem for years [02:17] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:17] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:17] actually only a problem on this laptop because it hasn't got my url catcher irssi script installed [02:18] UrchLap: interesting ... I just tried your scenario - I highlighted some text, waited for irssi to scroll the screen, and then went to paste it into Firefox, and it worked fine [02:18] UrchLap: my TERM is set to just xterm [02:18] well hell [02:18] maybe it doesn't even happen in slackware 12.2 [02:18] I'm on slackware 12.1 at the moment... [02:19] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: [02:19] when I last noticed it, I was running 10.2 [02:19] ah, that could make a difference [02:19] keepassx: error while loading shared libraries: libQtXml.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [02:19] wow, i never knew IBM made such proprietary components [02:19] I've installed qt 4.4 [02:19] that would be when I started using the urlcatcher script, which runs "firefox -remote openurl" whatever [02:19] ...what else am I missing? [02:20] is it possible my laptop has an MCA bus? :P [02:20] so I don't normally copy/paste URLs at all from IRC, except this laptop has a fresh install of 12.2 [02:20] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:21] i love fresh installs [02:22] I don't [02:22] but I don't love all the cruft that was on here before, either [02:22] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [02:23] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [02:23] Nick change: RaeGrepus -> superGear [02:23] my laptop feels like fresh install still [02:23] yay for build errors [02:23] i keep things well organized [02:23] mordy: no way [02:23] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:24] my laptop feels old [02:24] mordy: wait that was a joke [02:24] lol [02:24] the damn LCD panel is covered in disgusting crap from the keyboard [02:24] like, oil/sweat from my fingertips gets on the keyboard [02:24] yeah, it's a bit older than my old laptop [02:25] then I close the lid, and the screen touches the keys! [02:25] if it's got 2 MB video ram, who knows what else it's got [02:25] ... my hands dont sweat and i keep a rag and windex handy [02:25] how do you make your hands not sweat? [02:25] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@S01060016b62c5431.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:25] (windex does *nothing* for this stuff, BTW) [02:26] maybe goof off or goo gone would work [02:26] UrchLap: use diluted rubbing alcohol. [02:26] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@S01060016b62c5431.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:26] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@S01060016b62c5431.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:27] seems like I tried alcohol, can't remember now [02:27] straight whiskey [02:27] heh [02:27] enough of that and I won't notice or care how nasty the screen looks [02:27] lol [02:29] comp_ (n=comp_@h219-110-127-176.catv02.itscom.jp) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:29] the real answer is, replace the lapto [02:29] p [02:29] is from 2002, getting to be quite "vintage" [02:30] would changing the ramdisk size in the kernel give me anything? [02:30] Minagi| (n=Minagi@pool-151-196-189-71.balt.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:31] mordy, a different ramdisk size. [02:31] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.182.28) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:31] lol [02:31] gah [02:31] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [02:32] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [02:32] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@114.231.18.16) joined ##slackware. [02:33] wonder what mplayer's really complaining about here [02:33] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.78.215) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:33] v4l2: ioctl set format failed: Invalid argument [02:33] tv card works perfectly [02:33] they coulda at least given a hint which ioctl it is... [02:35] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [02:36] slackware is vintage [02:37] yep [02:37] thats what makes it so... *shakes fist with a smuckering grin* [02:38] lmao [02:38] Action: rk4n3 wonders what a "smuckering grin" is... [02:38] lol [02:39] it's like the grin you get when you eat a lot of Jam out of the jar [02:39] haha [02:39] hr. "set format" actually *is* the ioctl that fails. [02:40] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-59-147.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [02:40] If only there was some kind of wireshark for sysfs interfaces. [02:40] well, I looked through the whole section on X terminal programs at freshmeat.net and didn't see anything interesting... [02:40] Is there something wrong with xterm? [02:40] Action: rk4n3 shrugs [02:40] ccfreak2k: not for me, but mordy was inquiring about alternatives [02:41] bono (i=bono@118-160-162-224.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:41] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [02:42] ccfreak2k: ... specifically, he's looking for something that has a right-click context menu with copy/paste operations in it [02:42] Action: Cann0n smuckers at rk4n3 [02:42] And Konsole is too bloater? [02:42] Cann0n: haha [02:43] ccfreak2k: yeah, I think he mentioned his machine is a bit slow for those "fancy" ones [02:43] what's it called, urxvt? [02:44] is supposed to have scriptable copy/paste stuff [02:44] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:44] http://software.schmorp.de/pkg/rxvt-unicode.html <--- that [02:44] hugh (n=hugh_2@58.33.149.155) joined ##slackware. [02:44] i just stick to xterm [02:45] I've not used it, but probably will sooner or later (it's got an embedded perl interpreter, how can I resist?) [02:45] Action: UrchLap sticks to xterm, too [02:45] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:45] <3 xterm [02:45] Minagi (n=Minagi@pool-71-248-44-75.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:46] i know right [02:46] ah! mplayer finally made the damn joystick work in the OSD menus! [02:47] UrchLap, using one of these: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f0/Resistors.jpg [02:47] ive tried so many... xterm is the most.... simple [02:47] I don't understand why qt4 will build on my local machine but fails with distcc [02:47] ccfreak2k: eh, why are you showing me resistors? [02:48] I've not used it, but probably will sooner or later (it's got an embedded perl interpreter, how can I resist?) [02:48] oh. "how can I resist"... :) [02:48] har har [02:49] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: No route to host [02:50] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:50] hm. OK, maybe someone has figured this out... is there some way to tell the kernel to pretend a joystick axis is digital? [02:50] like, tell it to only report -32768, 0, or 32768 [02:50] even though it's really analog [02:51] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [02:52] konqueror (n=konquero@118.69.75.21) joined ##slackware. [02:54] I don't suppose anyone knows of a linux equivalent to mp3tag, do you? [02:54] perl? [02:54] no [02:54] I KIDD I KIDD [02:54] Action: CaptObviousman stabs nullboy in the kneecap [02:55] I have it running within wine, but it's sluggish [02:55] that could be my nfs share being sluggish, not sure [02:55] I need a fancy "utorrent-like" app that does not require kde, gtk-based is ok if need be so my family can make the windows-to-linux change for good . [02:55] dtanner: try transmission [02:56] speaking of, how does one test the speed of an nfs share? [02:56] they all want a utorrent look alike and functions like it , i use transmission myself but they want all the fancy search buttons [02:56] CaptObviousman: time copying a file from it? [02:56] CaptObviousman: have you looked at EasyTAG ? [02:56] dtanner: "wine utorrent.exe"? or try azureus? [02:56] so far so good , i have OOo installed so that satisfies the office fix [02:56] ktorrent would be the closest to utorrent [02:57] azureus , java based correct ? [02:57] yeah [02:57] i wil try that [02:57] thanks [02:57] CaptObviousman: http://easytag.sourceforge.net if you're interested ... its pretty cool [02:57] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:58] azureus is kinda a pig, hope you have lots of RAM [02:58] I wonder of there is a add-on for firefox that seraches and handles the torrent urls? [02:58] that handles downloading the torrents i should say in firefox , that would be ok [02:58] what's wrong with just going to thepiratebay.org and searching there? [02:58] ktorrent! [02:59] well, i am trying to satisfy them all , they like all the built0in features of utorrent , evcerything in one ap , search , download,play etc etc [02:59] yuck [02:59] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: [02:59] typos everwhere I am tired =) [02:59] dtanner: if you can find your torrents in the web browser, LimeWire supports torrent downloads now [02:59] yeah i know but if I want them to stop booting windows i need to ge them some replacement appps that pleases everyone , i am almost there [03:00] utorrent really does run OK in wine, but I guess that isn't really what you're trying to do [03:00] they love abiword and open office , so now the "utorrent-like" twin I search for , azureus looks pretty close to uttorent [03:00] ktorrent looks featureful also [03:00] (well, except utorrent + wine, the bandwidth limiting doesn't always work) [03:00] I see [03:01] dtanner: LimeWire wouldn't please everyone ? seems like a pretty and "friendly" app to me ... [03:01] UrchLap: yeah, that was a dumb question [03:01] LimeWire can suck an ass. [03:01] LimeWire for Linux ? [03:01] dtanner: most definitely [03:01] LimeWire is java, so it works on all OSes [03:01] you mean, eats resources and crashes on all OS's [03:02] dtanner: ktorrent is really well designed [03:02] haha - azureus is Java too, though [03:02] I see hiptobecubic has a thing against java [03:02] CaptObviousman: cool , i will install limewire , frostwire and azureud and they should be able to settle on one of the three [03:02] even though ktorrent starts with a k, it's actually pretty nice [03:02] an irrational opinion, I should add [03:02] :D [03:02] i vote rtorrent [03:02] yeah, and azureus also chews up all your resources and eventually crashes too [03:02] Action: CaptObviousman concurs with nullboy [03:02] i may install ktorrent also [03:02] or deluge if you must gui it [03:02] rtorrent ? [03:02] rtorrent rocks ! [03:02] hmmmm [03:02] rtorrent is command line [03:02] ok thanks for all the ideas people [03:03] nice for me but not for them [03:03] dtanner: its an ncurses app though, probably not appealing for your family [03:03] rtorrent that is [03:03] deluge is a good gui torrent client [03:03] rtorrent wouldn't satisfy your family but it is solid either way :) [03:03] at least, i'm having success with it [03:03] it has a nice web ui [03:03] Nick change: Minagi| -> Minagi [03:03] ok i have plenty to choose from now , thank you all for the input [03:04] i'm running it from home so my 'we don't trust you with any p2p traffic whatsoever' school doesn't shut off my net here. [03:05] nullboy: did you get kvm 83 to compile with slackware 12.2 ? [03:06] yessir [03:06] however! [03:06] nullboy: did you adapt the slackbuild, or just ./configure ; make ; make install ? [03:06] rk4n3: i use the slackbuild from SBo and modify the version but my system also has a patch applied [03:06] aha [03:06] nullboy: I could not find anything but vmware that would boot windows from another partition ( same hard drive as the host different partition ) except vmware and it requires PAM [03:06] rk4n3: are you getting an error? [03:07] yes, I am [03:07] renew01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-154-70.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:07] I did the change-the-version in the slackbuild, too [03:07] nullboy: should i just get another hdd and run kvm , then could i boot windows inside of linux ? [03:08] dtanner: i've booted an image of a windows partition but not the actual partition [03:08] nullboy: in vbox they support it as "raw disk access" and it has tons of warnings about data corruption and only expert usedrs , an experimental deal.. [03:08] i really wish i had a vista install cd [03:09] dtanner: I believe VMware's dependency on pam only goes as far as needing the one directory to exist ... if you create the directory indicated in the error message, the issue may be resolved [03:09] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [03:09] nullboy: using one hdd and booted off of another partition as in sda1=host=linux sda2=guest=windows in kvm ? without install media ? [03:09] rk4n3: are you getting some craziness about inotify? [03:10] nullboy: I'm getting.... [03:10] include/linux/mm.h:438:63: warning: "NR_PAGEFLAGS" is not defined [03:10] include/linux/mm.h:486:62: warning: "NR_PAGEFLAGS" is not defined [03:10] hmm [03:10] crap [03:10] wait... [03:10] include/linux/mmzone.h:18:26: error: linux/bounds.h: No such file or directory [03:10] rk4n3: that doesn't look like it applies to the patch i'm thinking of http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/9753 [03:10] that's the actual error [03:10] mandrivian (n=mandrivi@202.169.237.113) joined ##slackware. [03:11] rk4n3: the sysvinit directories are already created in 12.2 , it installed fine , but it authenticates in a web interface and will not let you loging to configure unless you have PAM, started with the 2.0 series is what they tell me in #vmware [03:11] dtanner: you just need the libs installed [03:11] it's not a big deal [03:11] dtanner: ah, bummer [03:11] dtanner: i can point you to a 12.2 slackbuild for PAM [03:11] nullboy: i see [03:11] nullboy: cool , please do [03:11] libs only ? [03:12] nullboy: hey, that patch looks like the thing I was trying to help Old_Fogie with some days ago, when he was trying to compile kde [03:13] rk4n3: yeah it workz! [03:13] ;) [03:13] kdepim and kdelibs [03:13] nullboy: sweet - I was really really close to that - I just missed a piece [03:14] dtanner: http://rsync.slackware.pl/people/grzech/pam/src/slack12.2/Linux-PAM/ [03:14] it is sane, i have used and modified a lot of that guy's work to fully integrate PAM into 12.2 [03:15] for my fingerprint reader [03:15] i even pamified KDE [03:16] nullboy: do you have a bounds.h somewhere in either your /usr/src/linux or /usr/include directories ? [03:16] dtanner: that should give you the basic libs needed for vmware [03:16] Slimy bartard. [03:16] rk4n3: checking [03:16] =p [03:16] Action: CaptObviousman yays at getting Amarok running with mysql just fine [03:16] so it turns out, you can't build it with both postgresql AND mysql support [03:16] pick one [03:17] which is dumb as hell if you ask me [03:17] that's inconvenient [03:17] ... or what you said ;) [03:17] rk4n3: /usr/src/linux-2.6.27.7/include/linux/bounds.h && /usr/src/linux-2.6.28-RAS/include/linux/bounds.h [03:17] nothing in /usr/include [03:17] nullboy: well I'll be dipped ... how the heck am I missing that ? [03:18] dunno man [03:18] that looks somewhat important [03:18] lol [03:18] no doubt [03:18] Shrp_ (n=without@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:18] nullboy: thanks [03:18] rk4n3: is your source tree cleaned or is it configured? [03:18] dtanner: np good luck [03:18] Action: CaptObviousman dips rk4n3 in barbecue sauce [03:19] its configured [03:19] i doubt a .h is created via configure or build though anyway [03:19] Action: CaptObviousman would tend to agree [03:19] that's quite odd there, missing bounds.h [03:20] but you see, I can't agree with nullboy [03:20] ... I copied the generic config in, built it, ran make xconfig, turned on PAE, rebuilt, and installed the new kernel ... [03:20] being that this is a day that ends in "y" [03:20] baaaahhhahaaha https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/bugme-new/2008-September/019728.html [03:21] meepmeep (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chel.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:21] probably doesn't apply directly here but still funny [03:21] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-139-130.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [03:21] wow - I wonder if that happens under more than just those circumstances - maybe I hit one ... [03:21] possibly [03:22] i like this part: "6. Manually restore linux/bounds.h from your saved copy." you did save bounds.h ..RIGHT? [03:22] i mean damn, i have bounds.h abounding [03:23] :( [03:23] that's quite a horrible bug if i do say so myself [03:23] I'd say its at least quite irritating [03:24] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:24] Shrp_ (n=without@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: [03:25] oh that's a fun bug [03:25] hmmm ... I wonder if I should just pull bounds.h out of the kernel source package and put it in, or if I should just start over with my kernel ... I suppose bounds.h might have been changed by my config change [03:25] ... come to think of it, PAE is probably likely to change some bounds [03:25] that list message says bounds.h is a generated file [03:25] Action: CaptObviousman would wager so [03:26] probably just doing "make oldconfig" would restore it [03:26] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Leaving" [03:26] god, where would we be without the wine project [03:26] sQuEE` (n=narya@201.253.202.23) left irc: "fnord!!" [03:27] maybe we'd be using an updated version of sun's old WABI instead [03:27] rk4n3: that bug report confirms the exact opposite of my assumption where it says that bounds.h is created by the build [03:27] rk4n3: makes me worry [03:27] nullboy: likewise [03:28] you might be best of to error on safety and just re make [03:28] off* [03:28] indeed - I believe I will take that path [03:28] i'm no kernel hacker but it can't be good to have programs that touch the dirty bits of an OS using a different bounds.h than the running kernel [03:29] agreed [03:31] i started into the perl beginner's how to [03:32] ah, perl is very good to know [03:32] after months of agonizing over which language to really learn as a first language i went with perl. [03:33] and of course bash [03:35] I can't find much fault with those choices :) [03:35] ... though I'm partial to C myself [03:35] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:36] that's some day for me [03:36] understood [03:36] actually, bash is horrid as a first language [03:37] SuN|2 (i=unices@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [03:37] Dominus (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [03:37] not to say you shouldn't learn it (it's very useful) [03:37] UrchLap: bad for first because of tendencies created? [03:37] UrchLap: not really - its interpretted, which lends to easy iteration, and it has the primary basics of any language (control flow, etc...) [03:37] yeah, and because it's got some incomprehensible syntax [03:38] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:38] perl's a better first language [03:38] looking at perl regex isn't exactly pr0n either [03:38] UrchLap: oh, I wouldn't say that - the bits that are cryptic aren't that bad, and its probably compensated for by nullboy's familiarity with the operating environment [03:38] EuroTrash (i=unices@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:38] SuN (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:39] bash has multiple layers of interpolation going on, and a zillion constructs like $(whatever) $((whatever)) ${whatever:-blah} [03:39] UrchLap: perl is quite an undertaking compared to how lean bash is [03:39] stuff that's painful to try to keep track of [03:39] most of that is "advanced" usage - not necessary to get into until needed [03:40] bash (and its daddy, bourne shell) also have the most annoying rules about whitespace [03:40] ... that fact that the entire language is presentable in a moderately long man page is testament to its simplicity [03:40] if [ "$foo" = "bar" ]; <--- spaces required [03:40] FOO=bar <--- spaces not allowed! [03:40] meh - easily absorbed [03:41] Ruby! [03:41] the weirdnesses in shell scripting I've found are easier to explain to someone who already has at least one language under their belt [03:41] just looking at written Ruby is like looking at some crazy ascii art [03:41] no hablo ruby, all I know about it is that it's supposed to be perl-like [03:41] ML-family languages are actually great as first languages : they teach you types without forcing you to declare them, they are at the same time intuitive and teaching [03:41] it rhymes just sitting there [03:42] ML is what, functional programming like haskell? [03:42] i don't know jack about languages right now and even i can figure out what ruby is doing [03:43] UrchLap, they are two different family of functional programming languages but when you know one, you can easily learn the other one [03:43] Camarade_Tux: someone once explained functional programming to me as "it's more like a Makefile than a shell script", is that even close to true? [03:43] at first their syntax is weird, but within ten minutes anyone get it [03:44] Makefile ??? 0_o that's completely wrong [03:44] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [03:44] nullboy: http://slaxer.com/chucks/whys-poignant-guide-to-ruby.pdf [03:45] i started reading that [03:45] i will finish it all soon too [03:45] any special modules i'd need to optimize CF-ide? [03:45] oh, joy. libGL error: open DRM failed (Operation not permitted) [03:46] nvidia ? [03:47] Action: Camarade_Tux had completely forgotten he had a CF card reader [03:47] pankracy (n=pankracy@fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl) joined ##slackware. [03:47] geeks, how to install fonts, say, chinese fonts ukai and uming into slackware 12.2, i can do it easily in 12.1 but failed this time. previously i installed slackware into virtualbox and then use the font installer to import all xp fonts to the font installer will do. but now i am using vista, and tried to import all vista fonts into slackware using font installed, unfortunately, i failed, can anybody do me a favor? tia [03:47] camarade_tux, this is attached to the IDE controller via an adapter :D [03:48] Camarade_Tux: nah. ATI using open source driver. And it's a permission problem, /dev/dri/card0 is 0660 even though I told udev to make it 0666 [03:49] Action: UrchLap misses just being to goddam chmod when this happens [03:49] UrchLap, ok, I see, I just got (over)used to those shitty nvidia drivers which enjoy overwriting your files [03:49] mordy, mine is in my laptop ;) [03:49] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:50] comrade_tux, so is mine :D [03:50] Camarade_Tux, i never use the nvidia xorg.conf. what a bordel [03:50] ok, apparently udev rules in /lib/udev/rules.d (new in slack 12.2) are not supposed to be edited? [03:50] Action: CaptObviousman isn't sure he likes being addressed as "geek" [03:51] not exactly an honorific, is it [03:51] i was sort of wondering myself if that was geek=good or geek=bad [03:51] couldn't quite place it [03:51] I think supposed to be positive [03:52] hiptobecubic, I hate the _whole_ nvidia driver, it's so stupid in its installation, it gives me a 40-minutes battery boost however (+30%) so I switch to it when I'm battery [03:52] "OK geeks - listen up - you need to help me my homework or I'll give you a swirly" ... that's the vibe I got ... [03:52] geek = bad, nerd = good :) [03:53] now, how in satan's name am I supposed to force device permissions with udev? [03:53] Camarade_Tux, what's wrong with the driver other than the installer overwriting your conf? [03:53] ^LaVey^ (n=LaVey@0x3e42a71f.adsl.cybercity.dk) joined ##slackware. [03:53] stuck in /etc/udev/rules.d/99-local.rules: KERNEL=="card[0-9]*",GROUP:="video",MODE=0666 [03:54] ...no effect. [03:54] hiptobecubic, the big nvidia logo by default at x startup (I don't like drivers which try to brand like that even though you can remove it), and external display failures : (x)randr works so well when I use nouveau and since I use a laptop, I often need to connect to various projectors [03:55] oh god, no comparison on speed [03:55] Action: CaptObviousman is rescanning his music collection in Amarok [03:55] what took nearly 50 minutes using sqlite is now going to take 2 1/2 [03:55] Action: CaptObviousman is in lurve [03:56] Camarade_Tux, it was kidn a pain trying to get it to correctly handle my different video outs, but i sat down and wrote out xorg.conf by hand and now it works great [03:56] kind of a pain* [03:57] nullboy: you said you booted an image of windows before ? if so can i make an image form an already installed windows partition of vista and bot inside of linux ? [03:57] nullboy: what ap did you use to do so ? [03:57] hiptobecubic, the problem is that I never use the same projector (or TV, or TFT, or CRT, or ...) and the resolutions vary each time [03:57] eh. Someone here expert in udev? [03:57] s/bot/boot/ [03:58] dtanner: yes, i did that under kvm. i imaged a disk drive to file and then passed kvm the path to the image file as its disk [03:58] nukedclx: what would be the best way to make tht image ? [03:58] UrchLap: I understand how it works. To my untrained eye you rule would appear to work, at least conceptually [03:58] dtanner: didn't try that with Vista though, just XP [03:58] nullboy: what would be the best way to make that image ? [03:58] Action: Camarade_Tux grabs butter, krisprolls and a knife :) [03:58] dtanner: i use dd to make full raw images [03:59] gotcha [03:59] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:59] nullboy: i am new to kvm , i will install and README first [04:00] dtanner: use the slackbuild at SBo for it and use the latest version of the kvm source [04:00] just mod the build script for the proper version [04:00] CaptObviousman: yeah, to my untrained eye, it looks exactly like all the other rules in /lib/udev/rules.d [04:00] nullboy: and remember all of this is going to happen on one hard drive , which taking what you said to work ( which we will se e if vista acts ok ) [04:00] hiptobecubic, and with nouveau+randr, I can get a projector working faster than somebody on windows so that's another reason, it show *nix is not hard and works great [04:00] CaptObviousman: I went ahead & edited the one you're not supposed to edit (in /lib/udev), but no effect [04:00] dtanner: make sure to backup before you try to use the actual partition [04:01] nullboy: i am a fresh newbie to kvm , i like i said i will have to learn it [04:01] dtanner: i don't know how kvm deals with using actual partitions as disk file though [04:01] nullboy: back up my entire linux and slackware partition(s) you think ? [04:01] ][cipher (n=cipher@62.240.47.215) joined ##slackware. [04:01] and yeah, doing /etc/rc.d/rc.udev restart after editing rules [04:02] dtanner: no the host would be fine, just test on disk images before you test on needed disk partitions [04:02] but yeah always backup everything...right? [04:02] ;) [04:03] i have 5 20 Gig partitions that are empty right now [04:03] botulinus (n=botulinu@213-67-39-101-no157.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "Lämnar" [04:03] you could have one 100GB that is empty too! [04:03] well, i only have one box with one hdd right now so i will be backing up on either cds or to the empty partitions i ahve [04:03] nullboy: true that [04:04] sycofly_ (n=chatzill@122-57-142-36.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:04] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:04] dtanner: the host shouldn't have a problem but i guess there could be a potential for the guest to screw up and corrupt disk space on the host [04:04] not sure really [04:04] fucking udev is why I never wanted to upgrade past slackware 10.2 [04:04] udev is really great [04:04] UrchLap: it's not that bad if you spend a few hours getting down with it [04:04] a bit fun to understand, but still great [04:04] right now it's not being great [04:05] nullboy: i have been told in #kvm it would be a PITA and may result in potential chaos. as I already assumed =) [04:05] [ in bed ] [04:05] for 10+ years, any permissions I could see with "ls -l" I could change with "chmod" [04:05] how is this better? [04:05] dtanner: hahaha [04:05] (particularly as it *ain't working*) [04:06] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:06] mayhem chaos anarchy, on rolled into one kernel module [04:06] nullboy: exactly how do you use kvm, several hard drives and you installl from hdd for the guests or from cd/dvd media ? [04:07] nullboy: when setting up a guest do you use cd/dvd install media ? [04:07] dtanner: i install guests using cd images for the cdrom and raw disk image files [04:07] /dev was getting completely out of hand [04:07] ooops i doubleed my question sorry [04:07] dtanner: i use just the cd/dvd image files, no physical media [04:07] it was untenable to manage all that, especially given the increase in hardware as we progress [04:08] eh? I didn't find it all that untenable... 99.99% of the time you ignore it [04:08] well i can try and make the image from my windows parition and put it on one of the 20 Gig parrtitions i have and try and boot that. does that sound like something that kvm may be able to handle ? [04:08] nullboy ^^^ [04:09] why have 32k files you're never ever going to use [04:09] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [04:09] dtanner: good to try [04:09] dtanner: just be ready for it to not work [04:09] nullboy: off to compile kvm [04:09] i've had windows do some really strange stuff in VMs [04:09] CaptObviousman: why not? For a full system, disk space is cheap, and for embedded I'd only create the nodes I actually need [04:10] whoa, it's late, time for me to go to bed [04:10] Action: CaptObviousman has to be up in 6 hours [04:10] ouch [04:10] UrchLap: long story short, 12.x uses udev, and that's what you've got so you'll have to deal [04:10] tis how we do things now [04:10] im looking to make all outgoing traffic from my machine to be encrypted, mainly on an unencrypted network. is this possible?/difficult? [04:10] g'night forks [04:11] 'night [04:12] would be better if all traffic going to and/or from my ip on the network to be encrypted. basically all packets transfereing to me i want encrypted. [04:12] CaptObviousman: actually I nay say "screw this" and drop back to 10.2 for this project I'm doing [04:12] pankracy (n=pankracy@fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl) left irc: "BitchX: its wax ecstatic" [04:12] it's a semi-embedded "media PC" box [04:12] tommcd (n=tom@c-68-63-85-178.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:13] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:13] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:13] SM177Y: just don't allow any typed of connections except through SSH, basically forcing all connections to tunnel through SSH to connect at all [04:14] hm. And what happens if I just chmod -x /etc/rc.d/rc.udev on 12.2? [04:14] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:14] bad mojo [04:14] UrchLap, kernel panic :D [04:14] the reason for this is bc at college im on an unencrypted network, suprisingly, and since how easy it is for me to monitor packets and view so much about all the other users on the network, im assuming other ppl have done/are doing this also. so im not too fond of my irc and messengers sending unencrypted messages. [04:14] somehow I doubt that [04:14] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:14] SM177Y: of course, that wouldn't stop outgoing connections, I guess ... [04:14] the kernel wont panic, but you're not going to get very far [04:15] im looking to have outgoing packets encrypted on an unencrypted network [04:15] eh, why not? I mean, assuming I've got a /dev directory full of "hard" device nodes [04:15] sQuEE (n=narya@201.253.202.23) joined ##slackware. [04:15] obviously have to create nodes for any hardware I want to have working [04:15] but even with an ssh tunnel, wouldnt the packets coming through the network from the internet and router and such be unencrypted still until it passes through my tunnel? [04:15] SM177Y: and how will the recieving end know how to decrypt? you can make encrypted tunnel via either ssh or openvpn [04:15] SM177Y, do you have another computer somewhere else that you can use to setup a secure connection? [04:15] SM177Y: that would have to be worked out with the destination ... choose encrypted connection methods ... pidgin supports encryption [04:16] SM177Y: to get encrypted irc, the irc server has to support secure connections - I don't know if freenode does or not [04:16] freenode does [04:16] <][cipher> http://www.gaza.ly/#/content/pictures1/ [04:16] ah, there ya go [04:17] i have my family's windows pidgin installs setup to use pidgin encryption [04:17] we all have our own keys YAY [04:17] yeah, I use pidgin encryption too - works well [04:17] freenode doesn't support ssl [04:17] does it not? [04:17] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [04:17] nope [04:17] hmm i see [04:17] dejai (n=dejai@230.15.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:17] it support Tor via hidden services [04:17] oftc does ssl [04:18] It supports ipv6, but that's not the same thing. [04:18] no u mean create an encrypted gateway essentially :D [04:18] i like how u think :P [04:18] sycofly__ (n=chatzill@122-57-142-36.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:18] so ** [04:18] tor would be overkill for most people I'd think [04:18] SM177Y: a "jumpstation", more like [04:18] yes, and misunderstood [04:18] well ya [04:18] often called "decoy" ? [04:18] lmao [04:19] hmm so i could tunnel all internet access through ssh from a comp at home up to me at college.... [04:19] SM177Y: that's basically what I do - I have a private machine on the internet, and ssh into it from wherever I am and then go from there to whatever... [04:19] and how do u connect to that machine? [04:19] ssh [04:20] SM177Y: i do that whenever I am away from home. I just use ssh to tunnel all my traffic [04:20] sycofly (n=chatzill@122-57-142-36.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:20] can i use a proxy so that i dont have to ssh into the machine? [04:20] SM177Y, i have a similar setup. I use ssh or openvpn depending on what i'm doing [04:20] openssh is probably the best way to go if you want to do something like that [04:20] SM177Y: ssh becomes your proxy [04:20] Nick change: sycofly__ -> sycofly [04:20] err openvpn [04:20] i see [04:20] openssh is nice for like a few ports [04:20] SM177Y: you can even do that same thing under windows using putty [04:20] but if i ssh into a machine at my house then wouldnt i be essentially using that computer just remotely? [04:20] SM177Y: no [04:20] you can also set up an ssh-based VPN using ppp, but that gets a little arcane [04:21] SM177Y, you are using that computer's connection to the net [04:21] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: Client Quit [04:21] SM177Y: you are sending all of your traffic to the ssh server and then it sending it out from your home internet connection to where ever it needs to go [04:21] yes but how do u configure ur comp to use that ssh host as a proxy? [04:21] SM177Y, setup openvpn. it take minutes. then you just set your default gateway to the openvpn server [04:22] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:22] i see [04:22] hiptobecubic: do you have a decent openvpn write up? [04:22] I use it to get around blocked ports/protocols [04:22] I have used ssh to even create tun style VPNS [04:22] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [04:22] with pingable interfaces [04:22] but setting just the default gateway on the schools network wont conflict with their config? [04:22] nullboy: that's basically what I was talking about - ppp, tun, etc... works the same :) [04:22] its going to change the routing tables for that computer [04:23] it will also assign it an ip inside your vpn'd network [04:23] nullboy, no. I just threw together a static key thing in 10 minutes without snat. i use ssh if i need to poke some port through the school's firewall the vpn is just so i can use the computers at home for distcc etc [04:23] so i would just set my default gateway to my house computers ip. and is there a way to specify port? [04:23] or i could just use default 22 and not specify i guess [04:23] SM177Y: the vpn method is like virtually plugging your laptop into your home network from a different location [04:24] SM177Y, default gateway means all trafic goes there unless you have a specific rule for it to do otherwise [04:24] try getting through a corp firewall that only allows 21,80,443, proxies 21 and 80 and does packet inspection to look for ssh connections [04:24] SM177Y, which is why it's called 'default' gateway. [04:24] SM177Y: all ports would go through the VPN, it would be like your just on your home network [04:24] SiegeX: would openvpn get around that either though? [04:25] nullboy: nope [04:25] could you .... do some kind https thing? [04:25] Giorno a tutti [04:25] SiegeX: that's draconian [04:25] there is only one way i know how to do it [04:25] hiptobecubic: yep, thats it [04:25] SiegeX, did you get it working? what did you do? [04:25] as long as the firewall lets https out, you can tunnel anything but its a PITA [04:25] you have to do ip in ip? [04:25] they have to let https out [04:25] i had to run apache on my box at home, install mod_proxy, get 443 to forward to 22 [04:25] hiptobecubic: but my home computer is behind a router (obviously) and i have to specify port forwarding on my router so that my router knows that the ssh connection is intended for my comp i have and for not lets say my brothers laptop. [04:25] unless they don't want you doing anything ever [04:25] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [04:26] then i had to use proxytunnel on the client side which tunnels anything over https [04:26] so basically it went like this [04:26] putty --> proxytunnel --> corp proxy --> HTTPS --> home apache:443 --> 22 [04:27] corp proxy? [04:27] SiegeX: I'd almost rather find another job than work at a place like that [04:27] even that only lasted for a year [04:27] i'd just use cell broadband [04:27] screw them all [04:27] they went to an http white list [04:27] nullboy: hahaha - good point :) [04:27] SiegeX, wow. screw that place [04:27] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-139-130.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [04:27] so of course my home domain wasnt apart of that white list, and i wasnt about to try to justify why it should be =) [04:28] get a high gain antenna and point it at the barnesandnoble across the street [04:28] but, when it did work it worked great because it was all SSL encrypted end-to-end, and i made it so that if you go to my web page there was an mp3 player for plausible deniability why my traffic didnt look bursty if for some reason they got curious [04:28] i've used those at&t hotspots from time to time too, some are good and some really suck [04:28] heh, id have to point it at yahoo in that case [04:28] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:29] I tell ya, the industry is getting whacked on individual micro-management with regards to computer usage... [04:29] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:29] i can'e believe they went to a whitelist. how could they possibly know what sites everyone is going to need? don't you guys search google? [04:29] what company is this, so i know never to apply ther [04:29] e [04:30] ya, the white list seems pretty large. sometimes its annoying when im trying to read a reddit/digg article and get the blocked redirect [04:30] but then google cache gets around alot of that [04:30] yeah [04:30] <3 gcache [04:30] the company my brother works for just bought some product called "tri-geo" or something like that ... intense "big-brother" crap, there - complete spying on everything done from any computer [04:30] my upstairs neighbors are snoring insanely loud so i'm now throwing full water bottles at the ceiling [04:31] if I had an employer that treated me like that, I'd be gone [04:31] nullboy, you're a problem solver. i like it. [04:31] lol [04:31] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "way past sleepy time" [04:31] UrchLap: for the work i do, defense contractor, its justifiable [04:31] I wish i had the patience to switch wm's [04:31] sycofly__ (n=chatzill@122-57-142-36.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:31] if they want slaves, let 'em go recruiting at the S&M nightclubs [04:32] who says they don't ? [04:32] <][cipher> lol [04:32] SiegeX: ah. I never would have that problem, I wouldn't want to work there (and probably couldn't get security clearance anyway) [04:32] i'd love a defense contractor job [04:32] OPERATOR [04:32] that's a /k/ rant [04:33] UrchLap: apparently they are $10/pop [04:33] /k/ ? [04:33] on 4chan [04:33] some 4chan ref? [04:33] yeah [04:33] whats /k/ [04:33] SiegeX: what are? [04:33] /k/ = weapons [04:33] the process to get a secret security clearence [04:33] /k/ is the people who complain about the differences between a clip and a magazine [04:33] ah [04:33] s/is/are [04:33] Minagi: lol [04:33] i'm only ever on /hr/ and /b/ [04:33] (dead serious) [04:34] sycofly_ (n=chatzill@122-57-142-36.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Connection timed out [04:34] they complained because my friend translated something wrong and it ruined the AMAZING GUN KATA :\ [04:34] but that's another story [04:34] gun-fu? [04:34] yeah [04:34] Minagi, that doesn't even make sense. One clips things out of a magazine. [04:34] FriedBob_ (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [04:34] damn, speaking of guns. if i could have just one it would be this one assault rifle i saw on future weapons. its upper receiver can be swapped out for a different one so it can become a sniper rifle too [04:34] forget the maker of it, but its sick looking [04:35] living in CA sorta puts that dream out of commission though [04:35] you mean living in USA [04:35] oh i remember now, its called the SABR [04:35] well, i'd link what exactly was said since i can't remember it off the top of my head, but it seems to be 404'd now [04:35] where automatic weapons are fairly frowned upon [04:36] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [04:36] actually. Where are full-auto weapons legal, for civilians? [04:36] not in the US, not in the UK, I assume not in the rest of the EU [04:36] middle east? [04:36] Action: rk4n3 <3's his Glock 21 [04:36] heh yeah. [04:36] central america [04:36] hugh (n=hugh_2@58.33.149.155) left ##slackware. [04:37] UrchLap: go google Knobcreek Kentucky [04:37] its the most bad ass of hillbilly shit with guns you will ever see [04:38] seriously tho, if I were the type to own guns, I'd want serious ones [04:38] some guy brings a vulcan cannon every year, i think its like $100/sec in ammo [04:38] damn [04:38] i think you'd need to have some badass guns if you're living in a place named knobcreek :\ [04:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqFqkSgGIGc [04:38] mini gun [04:39] living in suburbia, I don't want a gun. Never need one, and if I had one I'd just kill people for no good reason [04:39] not the best angle unfortunately [04:39] am easily bored, quick to anger, quick to get over it... [04:39] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8rNNXkOCi0&feature=related [04:39] there we go [04:39] much better [04:39] lol that barrel is about to melt off [04:40] i dont think you're allowed to fire that gun unless you are wearing a hat and smoking a cigar at the same time [04:40] same rule applied to jessy ventura in predator [04:40] *damn* [04:40] LukeL_ (n=Luke@CPE0050ba681424-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [04:40] ][cipher (n=cipher@62.240.47.215) left irc: "Leaving" [04:41] that gun is completely ridiculous. [04:41] is there a way to optimize distcc's network connection? [04:41] what do you use it for, take out a whole army at once? [04:41] wow, i didn't notice the barrel until the end [04:42] can't even hear individual rounds being fired, it's like a buzzsaw [04:42] that thing's like an oxyacetylene torch or something, way overkill [04:43] UrchLap: this is what its used for: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juUJdzFFORs [04:43] pankracy (n=pankracy@fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl) joined ##slackware. [04:43] heh looks like lazer beams at night [04:43] "You can hurt someone with one of those! Great gun though!" i love youtube comments [04:44] haha [04:44] mandrivian (n=mandrivi@202.169.237.113) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:44] bigops ---- "that thing looks like it is pissin fire" [04:44] nice soundtrack for that [04:45] closest thing I've ever experienced was setting stuff on fire with a welding torch [04:45] things like aluminum cans burn up so fast you can't even see where they went [04:46] from what i understand, at knob creek you can actually pay for a helicopter ride with a .50cal on it [04:46] and then you go around this field shooting at cars pre loaded with gasoline and dynamite [04:49] hey though people can own automatic weapons in the US [04:49] not every state but it is allowed [04:49] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [04:49] i think CA is the worse state to live in though, ya? [04:49] yep [04:49] sycofly (n=chatzill@122-57-142-36.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:49] although ive seen people bring some AR-15's to the range [04:50] but you can get CA legal assult rifles [04:50] they have a 10-round mag that you cant remove without basically stripping down the whole fricken gun [04:50] automatic, yes [04:50] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:50] fully automatic, I dunno if that's legal in any state [04:50] sycofly__ (n=chatzill@122-57-142-36.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:50] Kentucky [04:50] at least [04:50] ah [04:50] need permit, background check, all that crap? [04:50] UrchLap: when you say fully automatic you mean one trigger pull can release more than one round [04:51] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: "Leaving" [04:51] if that guy can shoot a vulcan, you can shoot just about anything [04:51] nullboy: yeah. The kind that keeps firing as long as you hold the trigger down [04:51] yes, that is allowed in some states [04:51] didn't know that [04:51] i know that some people in CA who owned AR's before the ban some years ago are grandfathered in [04:51] We use them for hunting rifles here in Missouri. [04:51] they're allowed in some states if you follow a different set of rules ;o [04:51] jkwood: wtf are you hunting, tanks? [04:51] erm [04:51] more than* [04:52] SiegeX: the SU-16CA is California legal [04:52] cybernetically enhanced wild boars, armed with lasers? [04:52] You've obviously never had to dispose of nuisance rabbits. [04:53] nullboy: how does that have a removeable mag? [04:53] SiegeX: no pistol grip ;) [04:53] ahh [04:53] removable mag is legal with no pistol grip and within a certain length [04:54] this is the gun that my army buddies say is the nastiest thing that fires bullets - one of my friends says he saw a tank jump 30 feet in the air when hit with a long strafe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhPwaApe4Rk [04:54] i saw some guy have a non-neutered AR with this thing called a 'bullet lock' and he said that somehow it is CA legal [04:54] he had a bullet on his keychain and he would just insert that to simulate a mag release [04:54] sounds pretty sketchy to me [04:54] warthog was always may favorite plane [04:55] SiegeX: that's another part of the loop hole [04:55] what is it exploiting exactly? [04:55] that a 'key' is not well defined? [04:56] SiegeX: the law basically says that if you gun has a pistol grip and is under a certain length you must disable the ability to drop the mag out without a tool [04:56] so the bullet lock needs a key to drop the mag [04:56] problem solved [04:58] pankracy_ (n=pankracy@fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl) joined ##slackware. [04:58] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn2-212-50-134-15.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [04:58] the shotgun rules are strange about pistol grips too [04:59] jkwood: you mean like the rabbit in the holy graill movie? [04:59] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [04:59] the kind that tears your head off, and you need the holy hand grenade to kill it? [05:00] hello youtubes [05:00] oops wrong channel [05:00] nullboy: im guessing ATF hasnt given its blessing on that loop hole, so are most ranges willing to allow those type of guns, potentially putting their range license on the line? [05:01] SiegeX: i don't know, i've never seen anyone at my local CA ranges with one hahaha [05:01] hah [05:01] well guys [05:01] the restrictions are already starting [05:01] I'm here in SC [05:02] and gun prices have gone up [05:02] along with gun sales [05:02] look at this crazy ass thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe-QP8s1ZJc&feature=related [05:02] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.24.218) joined ##slackware. [05:02] Shrp_ (n=without@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:03] we here in the family have all bought firearms [05:03] .45 magnum [05:03] 12 gauge [05:03] nine mil [05:03] UrchLap: More like the zombie type from Dawn of the Dead, where you need to take out as many at once as possible. [05:03] i'm the only one left [05:03] and i think i will go with a .40 cal [05:04] nullboy: what do you shoot? [05:04] nah, we don't get zombie bunny rabbits around here [05:04] well, except maybe on easter [05:04] P345 [05:05] bono (i=bono@220-136-227-227.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [05:05] how does that compare to a browning 380? is .345 the cal? [05:06] like this http://guntalk.dbw.org/images/illustrations/ruger/rugerP345b.jpg [05:06] ohh, its a .45 [05:06] pretty compact [05:06] i've shot a Bersa .380 and the .45 has a bit more punch [05:08] went with my friend to the range a month ago, he was looking for firearm. we rented a .40, two .45, 9mm. I was surprised at how much kick the .40 had, it felt worse than the .45 [05:08] ended up getting a glock 9mm,forget the actual model [05:08] it was compact but not sub-compact where the pinky rests on the mag [05:09] i didnt like the super long trigger pull [05:09] i've tried G21 [05:10] hmm, now that you mention that name, g22 sounds familiar [05:10] I never liked Glock's unnatural grip angle [05:10] no wait, thats a .40 [05:10] valvola (n=val@host36-243-dynamic.53-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:10] I can shoot far straighter with an XD40 than a Glock .40 with no practice at all [05:11] i've never tried the XD [05:11] same with XD45 v glock's .45 [05:11] are the crimson trace grips for teh noobs? [05:11] put it this way, I've owned Glock, and after XD, I'll never own a glock again [05:11] when i get enough money, im going to get a 1911 [05:12] probably one of the lower end wilson combats [05:12] e01 (n=e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [05:12] pretty soon here it won't matter what you own, so long as you own something with common caliber [05:12] pankracy (n=pankracy@fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [05:12] that was why i went with 45 [05:12] that's why I go with .45, 9mm, 12ga, and .308 even though those aren't my favorite calibers [05:12] .45 and 12ga [05:12] haha [05:13] .223 is easy to get too [05:13] have you guys shot a 10mm? [05:13] nope [05:13] i wanted to try one of those [05:13] true, but I despise how much I have to work on a .223 [05:13] and any gun with a built-in dejammer is just a problem [05:13] ;) [05:13] wtf is 12ga [05:13] 12 gauge, shotgun [05:13] 12-gauge shotgun [05:13] shotguns [05:14] ahh [05:14] daddy want: http://www.wilsoncombat.com/handguns/tac_elite/large/07.jpg [05:14] SiegeX: I far prefer 10mm to 9mm, but its too uncommon for me to own [05:14] have you guys seen this ? http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90 [05:14] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.23.54) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:15] ... that's some serious reliability [05:16] yeah I've always liked that about glock [05:16] damn [05:16] the main component of that reliability is less moving parts [05:16] your average 1911 has I think 62 or 65 parts [05:16] while your average glock has 33 [05:18] XD has 44 on average [05:18] and in my opinion is just a better gun [05:18] but that's sort of like linux, use what works :) [05:18] yeah - I always found my G21 to work better for me than other .45's I tried [05:19] this is my long shooter. it's not the best gun out there, by far, but its the straightest shooting gun I've ever used http://titanomachy.net/sights/photos/Savage110FP_d.png [05:19] he shot that glock with a .22? [05:19] wtf man [05:19] that was a no joke test [05:19] no doubt [05:20] I like that the savage is a very solid straight shooter for very little cost [05:21] konqueror (n=konquero@118.69.75.21) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:21] I don't use that bipod much, but it's handy for not getting it dirty and when working on it [05:21] it's for utility, not for firing true [05:21] konqueror (n=konquero@118.69.68.122) joined ##slackware. [05:21] (sort of like the bayonet on my shotgun) [05:21] that savage image is awesome [05:21] haha [05:22] nullboy: that's my rifle, I took that picture [05:22] that's 308? [05:22] yeah [05:22] .308 / 7.52 NATO [05:22] do you like it so far? [05:22] 7.62* [05:22] yes, it's the best shooting rifle I've ever owned, and I've owned several [05:23] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:23] and most of them a lot more expensive [05:23] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: "quit" [05:23] that gun, as pictured, is maybe 700$ [05:23] thats with a shit scope on it. I had a great scope and it got smashed so I put a crapper on it, and so far --in 5 years-- I haven't felt the need to improve that scope [05:24] the core component of that pictured rifle is, believe it or not, the strap [05:24] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.2) joined ##slackware. [05:24] is the firing mech of the XD very similar to that of the glock? Would have thought glock had a pattent on hammer-less handguns [05:24] that's the one-hand adjustable strap, and with it just right, you can make that rifle a part of you [05:25] SiegeX: I don't believe they do have that particular patent [05:25] is that a findable strap or did you make it? [05:25] I have a Smith & Wesson that's hammerless [05:25] nullboy: it's a 20 dollar part at any store [05:25] it looks like it's slightly padded [05:25] nullboy: with that strap, I care not what scope I use [05:26] no padding [05:26] i want one of those [05:27] I'm daving up for a real stock, and while that one works well for me, I want slightly more cheek, and I'm looking at a local stock maker and I'd probably pay ~500 bucks but it would be an altogether better shooter, which is hard for me to even imagine [05:27] saving* [05:27] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [05:28] my S&W is a .38 Special with one of those interesting laser sights built into the grip - the laser is actually up along the side so it points down the barrel - kinda cool - works really well [05:28] http://www.mcmfamily.com/index.php <--from them [05:28] i've got a little problem [05:29] rk4n3: yeah I prefer those, the under-nose barrel lasers add noticeable weight, but then again with a gun like an XD you hardly notice. Those XD's are the most natural fitting gun I've ever held [05:29] i've realized that when using distcc and giving -j without a value, distcc works quicker, but the client quickly runs out of memory [05:29] however a lower job count means less efficiency from the server. so what's a good value? the client has 192MB ram [05:30] I usually do #cores +1 for each box [05:30] bono (i=bono@220-136-227-227.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:30] except for the local box [05:30] hiptobecubic, -j5 is horrible. -j15 works a bit better [05:30] for distcc at least [05:31] you really need to just fiddle around and test it. if you have network lag etc. you'll need to adjust it [05:31] hrr. How much of a pain is it to set up distcc to use a slamd64 box for a server (to compile slackware 32-bit binaries)? [05:31] worth messing with? [05:31] as long as all cpus are running at 100% as long as possible there's not much else you can do [05:31] urchlap, i'm doing pretty much the same. i don't see it being very problematic [05:31] and i find that for my laptop. -j2 is faster than -j3 or -j4 [05:32] hiptobecubic, my server is running at 10-15% cpu on average with distcc [05:32] this is my 12ga, but mine has a speedfeed stock and a ghost ring http://www.bigskyguns.com/Mossberg-Mossberg_Model_590_Special_Purpose_9_Shot.html [05:32] which is not even a single core [05:32] for my other box, i would use -j1 but it's over a vpn which isn't the fastest so -j2 [05:32] are there any up to date slackware packages of mame? i tried compiling sdlmame earlier and it runs like crap (40% speed for some reason, probably sdl related) :\ [05:32] mordy, why so little? [05:32] mordy: do you use the slamd64 /usr/bin/gcc with -m32, or do you install a 32-bit-only gcc in /usr/local/whatever? [05:33] I ride a bayonet on that shotgun, but it's only for pissing and camping [05:33] urchlap, i'm using debian as my server - but i give -m32 to CFLAGS for make [05:33] let's see if it works... [05:33] --if I ever had to use a bayonet on my shotgun, things have gone terribly bad! [05:33] i didn't realize ##slackware was so full of rednecks :D [05:33] lol [05:33] but its great for pissing [05:33] especially in snow [05:33] pissin' n shootin' [05:33] weeeehoooo [05:33] if u own a gun here - 5 years in prison [05:33] straight away [05:33] lol [05:33] bummer [05:34] when i was like 12, i found a gun in my uncle's house. i think that's the only time i ever touched a gun :| [05:34] lw0x15, where? [05:34] seriously, you lay your shotgun against a tree, you risk debris in the barrel or it falling and accidental discharge. You have a bayonet, you stick that sucker in the ground straight up and do your fieldcraft or piss or whatever [05:34] hiptobecubic: UK [05:34] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:34] and nothing gets in your barrel if its pointing straight down [05:35] haha - neat trick I suppose [05:35] :) [05:35] lw0x15, ah yes. well at least you can still knife everyone. that's what the kiddies do these days isn't it? the old chelsea smile [05:35] rk4n3: its effective [05:35] lol [05:35] yeah but still pretty active gun scene [05:35] Action: mordy wishes he had gigabit ethernet [05:35] aint that hard to get a gun [05:35] if u know where to look [05:35] tuvok302_ (n=vircuser@S01060016b62c5431.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [05:36] that's the problem with "gun control" - its only the law-abiding people that follow it, and *they're* not the ones to worry about [05:36] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@S01060016b62c5431.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:36] would you guys use frangible ammo if you lived in a townhome? [05:36] http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=5001&return=Y <--- but I have a rubber Hogue grip [05:36] that cherry wood grip is PAINFUL even if its pretty [05:37] and you have no pinky [05:37] i dont want to shoot my neighbor if i get into a situation, but i also dont want a heavy jacket to mean my ammo doesnt do its jo [05:37] so the Hogue is teh way to go [05:37] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:38] SiegeX: I dunno, I haven't thought on that for my handguns much, because they'd shoot right through a car, so I only think of my shotgun as home defense, really [05:38] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [05:38] the XD is .45 right? [05:38] and in that I use 3 shots of birdshot, then 3 double-ought, then a couple of slugs [05:39] XD makes several calibers [05:39] that ammo is *supposed* to be high kenetic but low penetration [05:39] ahh ,what is yours? [05:39] I don't own an XD currently, I gave one to a girl who has a situation, but it was a .45 [05:39] why cant i play .m4a [05:39] files :s [05:39] damn guns [05:39] I hoped to have replaced it by now, but I don't make a lot of cash [05:39] vdv (i=1000@pop-31b-13.azeronline.com) joined ##slackware. [05:40] hi all [05:40] lw0x15: mplayer? [05:40] is rsh faster than ssh? [05:40] spook_ (n=spook@2002:ca59:a790:0:0:0:0:1) joined ##slackware. [05:40] lw0x15: mplayer can play almost anything, in my experience [05:40] this 100mbit connection is supposed to be ~12MB, but the quickest iv'e got is 5 MB [05:40] vdv: not in any significant way - I wouldn't use rsh though, its no better than telnet [05:41] i'm trying to ls on my pc from my pc, i.e. rsh localhost ls [05:41] briareus: hm [05:41] but it says that Permission denied [05:41] ok [05:41] amarok freezed :( [05:41] if i omit ls, then rlogin is used [05:41] vdv, do you have sshd running? [05:41] all this unstability from slack is emerging [05:42] and i can login with rlogin [05:42] sshd is running too [05:42] and if you ssh localhost what do you get? [05:42] tommcd (n=tom@c-68-63-85-178.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [05:42] it fails [05:43] WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! [05:43] That can be fixed. [05:43] vdv rm -rf ~/.ssh perhaps? [05:43] vdv, assuming you dont have any important keys in there [05:43] ssh -l user ip works [05:44] but rsh -l user ip ls doesn't [05:44] the last command says Permission denied [05:44] rsh isn't ssh [05:44] I would not delete .ssh. [05:44] i understand [05:44] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) joined ##slackware. [05:44] I'd delete the offending entry in ~/.ssh/known_hosts [05:44] i don't want ssh now, i want get rsh work [05:45] jkwood, just a wild guess. feel free to ameliorate any crazy suggestions i make :D [05:45] i just comment it out O.o [05:45] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-68-183.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:45] ah, well yeah you just rm known_hosts too :D [05:45] Well, deleting the entire .ssh directory deletes your user's ssh key too. [05:45] you can * [05:45] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-11-149.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:45] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:45] jkwood, i did mention that he shouldn't if he has any keys in there [05:45] ugh, if I were to blow away my private key I'd be in serious trouble [05:46] You can, but it means allowing access to remote hosts a bunch of times again. [05:46] UrchLap, no back up? [05:46] hi to all! Konqueror seems to not recognise the flash plug in anymore. I have it installed (version 10.0_r15) and the correct path is available in the plug in settings. Version of KDE is 3.5.10 and my system is Slackware 12.2. Any suggestions? [05:46] eh, not any more [05:47] all my backups are on CDs and DVDs, which are all in a giant box in a storage unit 40 miles from where I live [05:47] Action: UrchLap hates moving [05:47] so much pr0n [05:47] ? [05:47] nah, mostly weird old TV shows nobody watches [05:48] lol [05:48] vdv: try specifying a path to your ls, like rsh localhost ls /tmp [05:48] UrchLap: like In Search Of? [05:48] "Survivors" (no, *not* the reality show "survivor") [05:48] vdv: it could just be a simple permissions issue [05:48] "Blake's 7", which finally came out on DVD a couple years ago [05:48] is there a way to tell distcc to copy all the source files and then compile them, rather than doing file-by-file? [05:48] FDCX (i=0@77.81.95.217) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:49] all 700-odd episodes of the original Dr. Who series [05:49] lol [05:49] UrchLap: how about Captain Scarlet? That french marionette scifi cartoon from the 70s? [05:49] though those have gotten easy to find torrents of [05:49] hrrr, never heard of that [05:50] urchlap. well, at least you know that if the world comes crashing down on you, you will always have your old cheesy 70's tv shows :D [05:50] UrchLap: http://www.retroland.com/retrotalk/viewtopic.php?t=22696 [05:50] remember Thunderbirds? [05:50] that one ROCKED [05:50] vaguely [05:51] anime or live action? [05:51] tribeca (n=naitso@host184-5-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:51] Action: Camarade_Tux has 32 episodes of Thunderbirds next to him :) [05:52] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RzCB3VRruE [05:52] Thunderbirds are Go! [05:52] 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 [05:53] hehe [05:53] love it [05:53] I was like 4 years old, loving that [05:53] it looks even better on a recent 42" plasma screen :) [05:53] wow, i just got team america flash backs [05:53] heh, yeah [05:54] briareus, how old are you ? I was older when it was broadcasted in France and am only 20 [05:54] SiegeX: that's exactly what Trey and whatshisname were going for I think [05:54] I think maybe I did see Thunderbirds once or twice, a long damn time ago [05:54] Camarade_Tux: I was born in 1487 [05:54] aaaahhhh, a vampire ! [05:54] ya, apparently so. I didnt know it was actually based on something [05:54] Thunderbird Two is the best [05:54] or my favorite [05:54] maybe that's because i have kerberos turned off [05:55] fghd (n=fghd@94.181.198.52) left irc: Connection timed out [05:56] I do remember this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcQ0np6qW6U [05:56] cant believe slack has problems playing a freakin music file [05:57] lw0x15: details? [05:57] .m4a [05:57] encrypted? [05:57] hmmm, I'm having a weird multimedia problem too, lw0x15 these youtube links we are poasting play about 5 seconds then stop for me [05:57] no [05:57] just a music file [05:57] normal one [05:57] Action: UrchLap doesn't consider m4a to be a normal music file... [05:58] try it with mplayer? [05:58] if it came from itunes, it'll be encrypted [05:58] doesnt say it plays it on the desc [05:58] not itunes man [05:58] its a remix [05:58] mplayer with the allcodecs pack will play m4a just fine. [05:58] okie [05:58] ill try [05:59] Erm... codecs-all? I foget. [05:59] hmmm, anything I play at youtube stops at ~8 seconds into play [05:59] briareus: weird [05:59] yeah [05:59] that used to happen to me [05:59] LukeL_ (n=Luke@CPE0050ba681424-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [05:59] fghd (n=fghd@94.181.201.53) joined ##slackware. [05:59] but only on 1 particular video [05:59] lol [05:59] I only noticed it now while were were showing links [05:59] but its any link i play [06:00] briareus, hmm, same problem, which flash version and which video driver ? [06:00] for me it either works fine, or not at all, depending on whether I bother to install flash [06:00] ...ok here's a hint, its happening when I click a music link at imeem also, about 5 seconds in it just stops [06:00] Camarade_Tux: so its youtube movies and an mp3 player at imeem [06:00] strange [06:00] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) joined ##slackware. [06:00] what could make it stop at 5-8 seconds? and not the exact same spot each time [06:00] briareus: see if the cartoons at homestarrunner work? [06:01] ok [06:01] it may have happened when I upgraded to flash10 [06:01] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [06:02] its playing those homestarrunners all the way through [06:02] but any youtube and any mp3 at imeem stops early [06:03] hm. [06:03] no clew [06:06] yeah neither here [06:06] (flash again ?!) [06:06] either mplayer is horked, and thinks channel 74 is the skiffy channel... [06:07] or else they're showing some kinda infomercial marathon instead of twilight zone reruns [06:08] who the hell would buy kennedy half dollars with obama's face painted on them? [06:08] fanboys ? [06:08] (or any form of money with anybody's face painted on them?) [06:08] lol [06:08] doesn't all money have people's faces painted on them? [06:08] eh, no [06:09] stamped on them, yes [06:09] stamped usually [06:09] well, at least in the US [06:09] this is painted, in color, with paint [06:09] oh [06:09] ewwww [06:09] UrchLap: for Obama fanbois [06:09] hmm... am i at a GOP convention? [06:10] eh, not really [06:10] guns, nobama, what else will i hear? lol [06:10] mordy: if I don't like Obama am I suddenly republican? [06:10] eh, no, I wasn't hating on obama, I was hating on painted coinage [06:10] meh, i'm just kidding [06:10] and people stupid enough to buy them [06:11] if I dont' like christians does that make me islamist or satanic? [06:11] briareus; no, you could also be an anarcho-conservative or right libertarian etc. [06:11] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [06:11] there's a lot of stupid crap that people buy [06:11] :P [06:11] Old Fogie ordered a Chia Obama. [06:11] heh [06:11] lol [06:11] haha [06:11] I saw that chiaobama link earlier [06:11] yeah, that was hillarious [06:12] I keep hearing in my head "ch-ch-ch-chia .... ch-ch-ch-change" [06:12] ch-ch-ch-chaaaangess [06:12] (david bowie?) [06:12] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn2-212-50-134-15.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Client Quit [06:12] hmm... obama coins and change.... [06:13] nooooo - the old chia pet commercial [06:13] the pocket change we can look forward to [06:13] somehow I doubt these painted coins will ever end up in pocket change [06:13] if they did, the paint would all be gone within a few weeks [06:13] urchlap, the paint may end up as residue in pockets [06:14] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.2) left irc: "Bye Bye" [06:14] but they're kennedy half dollars [06:14] UrchLap: then they'd be worth something :) [06:14] obama retains permanency in the pants of americans! [06:14] not sure if they're real (silver, pre-1964) half dollars [06:14] Obama retains permanency in my toilet, at least until I flush [06:15] just like the Bush I flushed the other day, it looked just like him [06:15] really you're supposed to be dead for 20 years before you get your face on money [06:15] hair will clog your drain [06:15] (maybe it's more correct to say that Bush looks exactly like the shit in my toilet) [06:16] e01 (n=e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:16] unless your name is sadaam hussein [06:16] (but I guess painted on, doesn't count) [06:16] eh, I meant if you're a US president [06:16] sopas (n=souphead@203.177.174.196) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:16] oh [06:16] fffucckkk updatedb 100% of cpu resources [06:16] GREAT [06:16] getting your face on a playing card, however ... [06:16] lagging like in windows [06:16] lw0x15. it's probably hanging [06:16] sopas (n=souphead@124.6.184.170) joined ##slackware. [06:17] kennedy was the exception (assassinated, got his face on money the next year I think) [06:17] does that when it tries to access something in fstab that doesn't really work [06:17] i actually saw some reall sadaam money last year [06:17] was in jerusalem, there was this guy who had like sadaam bills all over [06:17] interesting [06:17] what was the exchange rate to dollars? [06:17] i killed updatedb [06:17] wanted to ask him whether he liked the guy, then again i didn't want to get stabbed [06:17] (or eh, whatever the currency's called in israel) [06:18] dont need that laggy stff [06:18] surely not "shekels" [06:18] urchlap, it was on for display - [06:18] I'd like to see jerusalem, but I'd have a problem with The Most Moral Army [06:18] sheqel [06:18] briareus, israel has a mandatory draft [06:19] Action: UrchLap would rather stay far away from the middle east [06:19] and pretty much one of the reasons i'm in the states is my not being sure where to settle exactly. i wouldn't like to do 3 years of military service for a couontry i don't plan on living in too long [06:19] so hot & dry over there, it gets everyone's temper upset [06:19] yeah, its hot, dry and you can get killed - three strikes for me [06:19] i like the dry weather [06:19] mordy: exactly why it's farcical for them to call themselves the most moral army, when they have psychos who kill children for sport and whatnot. If they selected their personnel, they might be able to be moral [06:19] they end up toting machine guns and strapping bombs to themselves [06:20] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-86-126-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:20] UrchLap: yeah, crazies on both sides [06:20] plus, no matter where I went, I'd be hated (white male american atheist) [06:20] UrchLap: exactly [06:20] Faithless white devil that I am [06:20] actually I'm hated here in the US too, but not actually shot at... [06:21] lol [06:21] agreed [06:21] not yet anyway [06:21] (well, not in many years, and even then I think it was a shotgun loaded with rock salt) [06:21] Anyone know anything about the status of samba4? [06:21] have you seen Obama's inaugural pastor? Just what a freak like that needs--legitimacy. We might be shot at yet, UrchLap [06:21] you're speaking about wright? [06:21] our politicians have been a psychopathic sideshow for years [06:21] no [06:22] hmm.. who then? [06:22] this guy http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-wilson/follow-jesus-like-nazis-f_b_158295.html [06:22] that's Obama's pick for his inaugural pastor, a guy who wants to radicalize christians and calls for them to show the same fervor as the nazis and the maoists [06:23] BRAAAAINS oh I mean CHAAANGE [06:23] just what we need, for this guy to get legitimacy [06:23] thanks Obama, you asshat [06:24] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [06:24] hey, guys [06:24] and gals [06:24] and eunichs [06:24] shit conflicting jobs [06:24] lol [06:24] love it [06:24] enuch* [06:26] no, UNIX [06:26] lol [06:26] ... aw crap - hey if the nurse shows up, tell her I said "nevermind" [06:27] nurse? [06:27] lol [06:27] what's that iconography of the jesus on the cross called? [06:27] A eunuch (IPA: /ÈjuÐ.nYk/) is a castrated man, [06:27] I'm sad, nor ld nor ar nor ranlib want to use more ram than firefox :'( [06:27] they don't go over 200MB ='( [06:27] yeah, we've all heard the unix/eunuchs joke before, it's only what, 40 years old? [06:27] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.28) joined ##slackware. [06:27] hmmm... don't know - i guess just crucifixion [06:28] not a joke [06:28] UrchLap: hehe - oh c'mon - that one never gets old :) [06:28] that'll work, thanks [06:28] wish I still had the picture my friend drew... [06:28] some people suffer from castration [06:28] big fat buddha hanging on a cross, the cross is breaking under his weight [06:28] lol what are you writing/searching? [06:28] lol [06:28] jesus was a blue eyed slim man, of course [06:28] eunuchs [06:29] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn23.91-127-241.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [06:29] I have a friend who's suffering from excessive christianity [06:30] she thinks jesus takes her shopping & picks out her shoes for her [06:30] is it your friend, or you that's suffering ;) [06:30] Praise Him! [06:30] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [06:30] Makaveli_ma (i=SALADIN@adsl196-53-52-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [06:30] well, I kinda wish the jebus-bodysnatchers had picked someone else's brain to scoop out [06:30] Wow, so much Obama kitch, from painted coins to ChiaObama. All this cult of personality marketing makes me think that maybe I should cash in and start selling Pastor Rick Warren armbands. Instead of the swastika it could just have the crucifixion. [06:31] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-219-180.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [06:31] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [06:31] she used to be one of the smartest girls I know [06:31] UrchLap: she's a cultist now. [06:31] now she is dumb like the rest [06:31] still would be, except she now believes logic, reason, intelligence are useless [06:31] yep, a cultist. [06:31] sadly. [06:31] what is the point UrchLap, spit it ou! [06:31] of course she also told me "technology is useless" [06:31] she's probably still good in bed, so tell her your penis is blessed. [06:32] of course [06:32] she told me that while driving her truck, talking to me on her cel phone [06:32] wait, she's a christian, she's terrible in bed, my mistake [06:32] UrchLap: unfortunately, logic reason and intelligence *do* seem to be useless ... those of us that use it never seem to get very far with everyone else, do we ? [06:32] technology is only useful insofar as you have a defined goal of utility, or a defined utility of a goal [06:32] yeah [06:32] lol UrchLap tells you in the truck on the cellphone [06:32] classic [06:32] Christian or not, that was a stupid hypothesis on her part. [06:32] yeah [06:33] I dunno what she'd be like in bed, don't really look at her that way [06:33] well [06:33] (she was my ex-gf's best friend) [06:33] let's not go there [06:33] fair enough [06:33] UrchLap: that means prime-bed-buddy material to me... [06:33] lol [06:33] damn [06:34] rk4n3 went there [06:34] i love it [06:34] lol [06:34] rk4n3: but she's religious so she's terrible in bed [06:34] rk4n3: for the first 2-3 years I knew the best friend, I was still trying to get the ex back [06:34] actually the best people in bed tend to be those that are conservative [06:34] sorta blew any chance I might have had with the friend, y'know? [06:34] or at least that has been my experience [06:34] lmao [06:34] briareus: not so sure about that - religious could mean alot of pent-up sexual energy ;) [06:34] hm, used to date a nice catholic girl, very prim and proper until she got naked [06:35] Is this what passes for conversation on saturdays? [06:35] it's sunday here [06:35] UrchLap: my point exactly [06:35] bah [06:35] *Sundayo [06:35] Zordrak: it's sunday, so we're talking about religion :) [06:35] rk4n3: well, granted, but we weren't talking about a drunk sexually repressed religious girl, I was assuming sober, in which case: shit sex [06:35] meh, the worst sex i've had were with these liberal chicks [06:35] Zordrak: as soon as anyone actually says anything on-topic, we'll shut up :) [06:36] pour a few ounces of grain alcohol down her and I'm sure she's a go-go dancer [06:36] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:36] it was with a french girl who is still stalking me now :( [06:36] mordy: come to think of it, you are right [06:36] hm. What's it like to be stalked? [06:37] briareus: I'm probably assuming liquor'd up, since I probably couldn't handle a sober mega-religious person for too long ... [06:37] tntslack (n=will@194.219.37.9) joined ##slackware. [06:37] it's like having a girl you're disgusted with sending you SMSs telling you how she wants to feel you inside [06:37] that's what it's like. [06:37] there was this girl once who probably wanted to stalk me, but she didn't have a car or any money [06:37] Action: mordy scoffs [06:37] eeeewwwwww [06:37] i'm pretty liquored up [06:37] i had to spell check liquored btw [06:37] I found out just tonight (hrm, last night) that my girlfriend "who loves me" is actually not nearly as divorced as she claimed to be. and also not nearly without children as she claimed to be. I found this out by being confronted by the husband with a daughter. [06:38] briareus: ouch! [06:38] eeeek [06:38] UrchLap: yeah [06:38] yeah um [06:38] briareus: welcome to my life [06:38] gotta love women and their honesty [06:38] rk4n3: are you the husband? [06:38] girls will lie. depends on what thouugh [06:38] thats proof that if you lie to your partner, it comes back to bite you [06:38] damn [06:38] that sux [06:38] well [06:38] briareus: no, I'm a fellow "been lied up and down to by women" [06:39] good side is you are banging it? [06:39] eh, I have to ask. Are you Mr. Self Pwn, or Mrs. Elf Pwn? [06:39] i had a similar episode like that recently, not going to go into that [06:39] wait, it gets better: The husband who confronted me tonight? He's NOT the same husband she told me she divorced, but ANOTHER one!!!! [06:39] gotta love THAT [06:39] both UrchLap [06:39] hmmm [06:39] oy gevald [06:39] ROTFL [06:39] lo [06:39] briareus: so shes now homeless? [06:39] man, i feel bad for you though [06:39] l [06:39] non-gender-specific? I guess elves have always been androgynous... [06:39] lmao [06:40] i'm MrSelfPwn you noob [06:40] it's funny until it happens to you though [06:40] get a clue [06:40] spook: not just homeless, he's divorcing her now that he caught her, and so she will now be deported. [06:40] where's she from originally? [06:40] oh shes a foreigner too? [06:40] Honduras [06:40] hahahaha [06:40] lol [06:40] yeah [06:40] awesome [06:40] she was trying to get me to marry her, and I was about to break up with her tomorrow, and then I get this guy in face TONIGHT [06:40] hound your ass? [06:41] I thanked him for making my decision for me [06:41] so she's a... polygamist? [06:41] she doesn't even know yet [06:41] you should have bought each other a beer [06:41] lol [06:41] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:41] oh my [06:41] does she have your car? [06:41] i'm gonna quit drinking after this shiznit [06:41] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:41] lol [06:41] no, she knew he was going to divorce her, he busted her last night, but she didnt tell me that's why she broke plans with me last night, and tonight I met him, so tomorrow she's getting a massive surprise [06:42] briareus: so long as she doesn't give you a big surprise (missed periods...) [06:42] honestly, he could have kicked my ass and I probably would have not fought him. [06:42] lol [06:42] I wouldn't have let him hurt me, but I can agree with his anger [06:42] sounds like you're both better off though - time to celebrate [06:42] lol, faked him out then come back [06:42] UrchLap: that's the other thing, she got mad that I wouldn't cum in her without protection, and I got the creeps [06:43] rk4n3: I am feeling relieved!!! [06:43] lucky the creeps is all you got! [06:43] hercrepes? [06:43] lol [06:43] you know what, you might consider getting into the witness protection program or something [06:43] hmmm ... a new Honduran venereal disease ? the creeps ... [06:43] UrchLap: the unfortunate thing is that she was a shy little thing in bed and I watched her blossom into a wonderfully filthy little beast with me [06:43] disappear without a trace [06:44] lol [06:44] so the sex was awesome, almost the best I've had [06:44] and had it continued, it probably would have eventually been the best [06:44] but, c'est la viw [06:44] but, c'est la vie [06:44] probly not worth it [06:44] let me count the ways [06:45] fuck no not worth it, not knowing what I know now [06:45] 'NOOBFARMS GREATEST HITZ" [06:45] I'm just glad my common sense was tingling [06:45] lol [06:46] oh man, i'm glad I'm drunk or I might actually bring this on to topic lol [06:46] heh - good thing you didn't wait till that tingling turned into a burning [06:46] lol [06:46] good thing that guy was level headed enough to confront me with words and not with a weapon [06:46] mwendi (n=ledre@120.163.10.243) joined ##slackware. [06:46] lol [06:46] that too [06:47] I have to commend him, he could have taken hard action on me, and instead he talked to me [06:47] talk about awkward [06:47] "sorry man, I really didn't mean to fuck your wife" [06:47] "I know" [06:47] better than him showing up & catching you in the act [06:47] But since i did she was sweet.... [06:47] LOL [06:48] hey where is the Ubuntu kid when you need him? [06:48] "your wife is the best fuck ever, sorry man" [06:48] there's an ubuntu kid? [06:48] yes lmao [06:48] they come in every so often [06:48] all ubuntu is for kids [06:48] it's funny though [06:48] their lives are so empty, they have nothing better to do? [06:49] briareus: actually, the conversation doesn't have to be that hard ... "hey bro, we've got the same taste !" [06:49] ubuntu kid + obama girl = obantu ennuch? [06:49] lol [06:49] sorta like the guy in #atari who talks about how cool his commodore 64 is? [06:49] lmao [06:49] rk4n3: yeah I suppose haha [06:49] oo [06:49] lol [06:49] man [06:50] i'm glad i met you folks [06:50] silence [06:50] is [06:50] I keeeel you [06:50] lol [06:50] lol [06:51] ugh - 5:51 here - gotta get some sleep [06:51] damn [06:51] i'll wait until the sun pokes me [06:52] I'm lucky I'm not a church-goin s.o.b. - I'd be hatin life in a couple hours [06:52] er..... my parole officer wakes me. sorry [06:52] actually [06:52] i bet [06:52] if i was church going [06:53] today would be the day to go [06:53] I noticed a strange symptom as part of my Youtube viewing problem and my imeem mp3 problem... neither of them load fully. They have loaded much further ahead than the player progress indicator is, but they stop loading at the same time as it stops playing. You'd think even if it stopped playing it would continue loading [06:53] I can refresh the page, they load again, and stop playing somewhere around the same place, and again stop loading [06:54] what about if you restart FF? [06:54] but I can pull massive files (just pulled kernel source for example) [06:54] what happens? [06:54] mrselfpwn: I did already, made sure it was completely dead [06:54] cleared the cache [06:54] restarted it, same thing [06:55] I'm going to try another browser [06:55] briareus [06:55] briareus: try debuging with Firebug [06:55] do you have multiple packages installed potentially? [06:56] vmilinux is the kernel after it's commpiled? [06:56] it jsut happened with seamonkey too! same symptom, it stops loading and playing [06:56] briareus [06:56] it's probably related to youtube or your cache or who knows what else [06:56] as others have stated [06:57] mordy: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.foo = /usr/src/linux-2.6.foo/.config/arch/x86/boot/bzImage [06:57] we have seen better performance if we right click and de-select hardware accellaration [06:57] in flash [06:57] does that help? [06:58] trying [06:58] nope, stops [06:58] but thanks I didn't know to check that [06:58] ok [06:58] well [06:58] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:58] (or uncheck that, as is the case) [06:58] trying with Konq now [06:58] reload the browser completly [06:58] yes [06:58] close FF [06:58] then try [06:59] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:59] You may want to thank BOB [07:00] it helps often times [07:00] 1.9 MB? is that a right size? [07:01] doesn't make sense [07:01] :-/ [07:01] awrrrgh [07:01] i'm a scientist not a doctor damnit [07:01] how many times must I recompile mplayer [07:02] first time I forget --enable-joystick, 2nd time I remembered that but forgot dvdnav support [07:02] you forgot [07:02] sorta defeats the purpose, since I'm trying to set things up so the joystick controls DVD menus... [07:02] --i'm - an --idiot [07:02] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:03] wtf is your deal? [07:03] well, i guess i'll read abouut what to do with the kernel a different time, i just want to know if everything went successfully [07:03] ?huh, I thought you needed help. [07:03] svgalib: Cannot open /dev/svga [07:03] make didn't give any errors, so i guess it's ok? [07:03] Is svgalib_helper module loaded? [07:03] oh, wait, didn't you say you're drunk? blah, I'm jealous [07:04] briareus: where are you seeing that? [07:04] in terminal when I try to run links -g [07:04] DISPLAY not set? [07:04] (X not running?) [07:04] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062141110.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [07:04] Konq has no flash and I don't want to f*** with it, so I was going to try links -s [07:04] no just having fun [07:05] # CONFIG_FB_SVGALIB is not set [07:05] drat [07:05] though it's true non the less [07:06] you're trying to run a gui on the console? [07:07] I'm trying to find out why "svgalib helper is not enabled [07:07] svgalib: Cannot open /dev/svga Is svgalib_helper module loaded? [07:07] I get that when I: links -g [07:07] yes, but [07:07] and runnign links graphic from the menu causes nothing to happen, so I tried to start it from a terminal [07:08] is that what you expect? (links using svgalib), or are you expecting it to use X? [07:08] I wasn't sure, I'd not used links -g in X in ages [07:08] apparently the links in slack 12.2 is compiled without X support [07:09] 12.1 here [07:09] The following graphics drivers are supported: [07:09] fb, svgalib [07:09] probly the same in 12.1 [07:09] bono (i=bono@114-45-225-214.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [07:10] any luck? [07:10] briareus: what's your ultimate goal? [07:10] this is related to your flash problem somehow? [07:10] to take over the World [07:10] trying to find out why youtube videos arent playing [07:10] and why mp3s at imeem aren't playing [07:10] well they sure won't play in links, gui or not :) [07:11] they both have the symptom of starting play and stopping at ~8 seconds in [07:11] ok I wasnt sure [07:11] have you restarted FF ? [07:11] you could grab youtube-dl and see if it's able to download the files [07:11] but I can download a youtube video and play it fully [07:11] and if so, see if they play OK [07:11] mrselfpwn: yes, several times [07:11] ok [07:11] hmm [07:11] and yes I can download and play [07:11] what about X? [07:11] when does it happen? [07:11] it's only when I use browsers like seamonkey and firefox [07:11] why would he need to kill his X server? [07:11] after X restart? [07:12] I cant tell with Konq because it has no flash and I dont want to dick with Konq [07:12] mwendi (n=ledre@120.163.10.243) left irc: "Leaving" [07:12] well here is the thing [07:12] I'd rather not kill X but I can, but I have digital artwork open [07:12] doh, I'm so stupid ! [07:12] thought konqueror was capable of using the flash plugin [07:12] do you have to restart X? [07:12] well, my new kernel doesn't give me IRQ conflicts anymore [07:12] to get it working [07:12] ? [07:12] konqueror needs nspluginwrapper [07:13] I dont know if I have to restart X I havent tried, this problem only showed up in the last hour [07:13] I watched youtube videos all morning no problems [07:13] well restart X [07:13] easy enough to install nspluginwrapper isn't it? [07:13] if it fixes it it narrows it down atleast [07:13] blitz (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:13] its something that has changed since today. OK I'll restart X but I have to do some things before I do [07:13] I sorta doubt "restart X" is good advice [07:14] and how come? [07:14] alicephilippa (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [07:14] well, (a) it isn't likely to fix anything, and (b) in the unlikely event that it does fix it, it isn't a permanent solution to keep the problem from happening agian [07:15] again [07:15] it can't damn well hurt [07:15] restarted it, the problem remains [07:15] restarted X [07:15] toldja so [07:15] fine [07:15] this ain't windows where you cross your fingers and reboot... [07:15] just trying to help [07:15] gosh [07:15] al videos load about .6 of the way, and playback stops at ~8 seconds [07:15] well [07:16] briareus: it used to work, now it doesn't. Anything you changed lately? [07:16] hey its ok I'm curious [07:16] upgraded firefox/seamonkey recently? (I know there were security fix updates for 12.2 for both) [07:16] UrchLap: no, I havent' even tried any updates today or anything. I wathed youtube earlier today no problems, it was only when we were chatting about Thunderbirds that I noticed [07:16] yeah, and restarting X would be the most logical thing to do [07:17] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host37-192-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:17] mrselfpwn: eh, I guess logic works differently for me [07:17] something is awry since today, and I haven't rebooted or changed anything, the only thing I did today was config conky and draw pictures [07:17] nargon (n=mike@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:17] (and chat in finch and irssi as usual) [07:17] well fix his probelm then knowitall [07:17] I can't imagine why it would stop loading, even if there was a playback problem [07:17] and let me know when you are done [07:18] mrselfpwn: not enough information yet, still trying to figure it out [07:18] well [07:18] briareus: do you use startx, or graphical login? [07:19] if you run X with startx, you might look in the console where you originally ran startx, see if you see errors (segfaults, X request errors, etc) [07:19] slim, but just now after stopping slim I used startx [07:19] not sure where that stuff goes, if you don't use startx [07:19] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.142.118) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:20] dios_mio (n=test@88.236.177.203) joined ##slackware. [07:20] links came after lynx? [07:20] oh, I found out why [07:20] I think [07:20] hmm? [07:21] hiptobecubic: yah [07:21] Hmmmmm? [07:21] lool [07:21] my /tmp/ is completely full of .Sbo.tgz from last week and a few .gifs I looked at today [07:21] ah! [07:21] doesn't it clear out /tmp/ with each boot? [07:21] why would it not? [07:21] no [07:21] ... [07:21] you must clear it [07:21] how do I set that? [07:21] briareus, no of course not [07:21] I prefer that it would [07:21] because it is a smart system [07:21] but I'll clear it now [07:21] briareus, put it as a shutdown script [07:22] I know old slackware versions didn't clear out /tmp, not checked new versions [07:22] no [07:22] rc.local-shutdown or whatever it's called. check the slackbook [07:22] UrchLap, they don't clear it. [07:22] right [07:22] because it should be cleared manually imo [07:22] why would you not want to clear out /tmp/ at boot? [07:22] actually, yes I did know that, otherwise I wouldn't have all that crap in there now [07:23] or shutdown, whichever [07:23] incase you want to access those files again? [07:23] right [07:23] briareus: maybe you were in the middle of doing something, and the box lost power or whatever [07:23] true enough [07:23] anyway, i'm off to bed. [07:23] use tmp for what it is [07:23] maybe /home is too full, so you move some files over to /tmp while you decide whether you really want to keep them [07:23] /tmp != trash [07:24] -+that is why it is ther. [07:24] or maybe you want to reinstall/upgrade to an old package that's still there [07:24] ok hiptobecubic I sort of always thought of /tmp/ as garbage temporary data [07:24] briareus, i use /tmp for all kinds of things [07:25] i even install apps there when i'm just testing them or working on them [07:25] maybe you want to view midgit porn in tmp [07:25] I've been doing a cp /tmp/foo*Sbo.tgz /var/slacktgz/ every since slack, assuming this /tmp/ was being cleared out [07:25] no briareus [07:25] might as well make /tmp a ramdisk, if you really want it cleared out [07:25] it is a safe haven [07:25] briareus, it's not a bad idea anyway, as the packages are worth saving and there is a lot of other trash data in /tmp [07:25] (would be quicker anyway) [07:25] plankton (n=peretto@200-181-246-149.wln.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:26] OK, it's playing Thunderbirds Are Go! all the way through [07:26] :D [07:26] yeah yeah [07:26] what he said [07:26] i was a thundercats fan, myself [07:26] midget porn [07:26] thunder thunder thunder thunderrrrrrr CATS, hoooooo! [07:26] never accept it [07:26] what a stupid ass show that was. [07:26] this really is the shit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K9rVRuehGU [07:26] night all [07:26] thundercats was right around the age where I quit watching stuff like that I think [07:27] night hiptobecubic [07:27] "filmed in supermarionation!" [07:27] later [07:28] bombuzal (n=bombuzal@unaffiliated/bombuzal) joined ##slackware. [07:28] sorry, thunderbirds are on [07:28] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:29] almost as good as Hogan's Heroes [07:29] alas [07:29] HH is better.. 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[07:37] thanks and thanks again guys [07:38] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@114.231.18.16) left irc: Client Quit [07:38] ? [07:38] sherique (n=ri@adsl-68-90-180-64.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [07:39] i'm talking to the slackware team [07:40] I found Bob in a daydream [07:40] fricken cool models ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAw2Vskb4PU [07:41] Taja Taja [07:41] Alla jihad [07:41] lol [07:41] TB are go! [07:43] impractical and silly, but that model rocket is just too cool [07:43] making those models was fun, I bet [07:43] yeah [07:43] was fake [07:43] though cool [07:45] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo0o61HjOR8&NR=1 <-- even better, fast [07:45] do you play any FPS? [07:46] bzflag [07:46] coool [07:46] atom_fox (n=atom_fox@122.55.121.191) joined ##slackware. [07:46] quake at all? [07:46] which reminds me, I need to find out how to play bzflag windowed and be able to get back to the desktop without killing it [07:47] I don't have enough ram : 2GB is far from being enough =/ [07:47] I wonder if there's a capture like in vbox [07:47] is there any way to show current vsftpd connections? [07:47] no, never seen quake [07:47] Camarade_Tux: for what? [07:47] it is fun [07:47] we should do it together [07:48] snowball2nd (n=julian@belug-julian.in-berlin.de) joined ##slackware. [07:48] i'll attempt to be less of the jack ass I am [07:48] how does that sound? [07:48] haha, no I'm really just into bzflag [07:49] konqueror (n=konquero@118.69.68.122) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [07:49] but thanks :) [07:49] you are gary [07:49] and your whole family is Gary. [07:49] I just know that if I get into fps I will get WAY into them. With bzflag, its pointless so I can join and leave and never care [07:49] briareus, development, I'm working on webkit-gtk and I don't have enough ram for everything to fit in cache =/ [07:50] may your mother have many children [07:52] snowball2nd (n=julian@belug-julian.in-berlin.de) left irc: Client Quit [07:52] atom_fox (n=atom_fox@122.55.121.191) left irc: "Leaving" [07:54] snowball2nd (n=julian@belug-julian.in-berlin.de) joined ##slackware. [07:54] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [07:57] oh y [07:57] i just asked my dad if he was "ready to face the day" [07:57] lol [07:58] I'm just wishitg I had more beeres [07:58] lol] [07:59] anyway guys [07:59] i'm going on a trip [07:59] acrosss country [07:59] i don't know if I wil have access to internet so much [08:00] gnubien (n=e@97.100.255.230) joined ##slackware. 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[08:08] welll [08:08] lol [08:08] plankton (n=peretto@200-181-246-149.wln.net.br) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:08] i actually have a ciggarettee lighter [08:08] on my computer [08:08] I compilied a kernel and now I am having a bit of trouble compiling the nvidia kernel. [08:08] plankton (n=peretto@200-181-246-149.wln.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:08] Here's the error i am getting when building http://pastebin.com/d6d0833dc [08:10] I am not sure how to go about fixing what that says in the error, any tips? [08:11] nbuonanno_you (i=nbuonann@you.dontlike.us) joined ##slackware. [08:11] amorette_ (n=amorette@124.49.51.183) joined ##slackware. [08:11] sherique [08:12] yes [08:12] there is nothing in your pastebin [08:12] hm? [08:12] 1sec [08:13] ? [08:13] plankton (n=peretto@200-181-246-149.wln.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:14] http://pastebin.com/d6d0833cd [08:14] Srbo_ (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-026-214.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [08:15] The drivers from NVidia's website do not build on kernel versions .27 and .28. You'll need the recent beta drivers. [08:15] kama_ (n=kama@87.19.116.196) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:16] alright, thx [08:16] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [08:18] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:21] tntslack (n=will@194.219.37.9) left irc: Connection timed out [08:22] tntslack (n=will@194.219.37.9) joined ##slackware. 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[09:45] cloudy sunday afternoon, but less cold [09:45] slackytude2, same bad connection I guess :D [09:45] pankracy_ : must be nice. yesterday at night we just hit -3F [~-20C] [09:45] Camarade_Tux, correct [09:45] Camarade_Tux, its the suck [09:46] hcx (n=hcx@Q755a.q.strato-dslnet.de) joined ##slackware. [09:47] ananke : yeah, i know how it is, thats why i moved tho the place where im now [09:48] bono (i=bono@118-160-174-138.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [09:48] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-166-69-205.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [09:48] pankracy_ : last time i checked, nowhere in poland was that warm :) [09:49] who told you that i'm in poland now ;) [09:49] pankracy_ : your hostname. it's usually a safe assumption [09:50] n=pankracy@fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl this tells us you're in Poland :D [09:50] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:50] ananke : dig a bit more [09:51] for me this assumption is often useless ;) [09:52] i thought Poland changed its name to Belarus (or is that another country?) [09:52] why would i bother digging? if you're not where your hostname is, it's your perogative. [09:52] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.25.218) joined ##slackware. [09:53] Pig_Pen : it wasnt Poland [09:53] ananke: You familiar with cups/samba for networked printing? [09:53] do a whois on my IP address, it just shows where the main office of my ISP is, (Phoenix Arizona) but i live in Oklahoma [09:53] FriedBob : printing from cups to a windows share printer, or vice versa - printing from windows via samba to a cups printer? [09:54] ananke: From windows via smb [09:54] FriedBob : to a cups server? yes, i've set that up before [09:54] It took me 4 days, but I finally got the printers working in Slack [09:55] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl11-60-19.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:55] ananke: I'm having some difficulty. I've pastebinned my cupsd.conf and smb.conf. I can print from slack and I have some shares setup I can access from Windows, but I can't see the printers from Windows. [09:55] Would you mind taking a look? [09:56] http://pastebin.com/d31384d5e (smb.conf stripped of commets) http://pastebin.com/d467b52d8 (cupsd.conf) [09:57] so when you browse the host, you have no printers listed under printers? [09:57] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:58] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:58] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:58] ananke: Right [09:59] I've tried browsable=yes and =no, but no difference. [09:59] comment out the lpq command [10:00] the 'printcap = cups' should take care of it [10:00] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:00] OK. I was going based off of alienBOB 's site [10:01] hiptobecubic (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:01] Still no dice. I have to run for groceries, will you be around later today? [10:01] possibly. i have that setup working, so we can compare configs [10:02] long story short, samba should automatically pull that info from cups [10:02] ok. Notice any other glaring errors? [10:02] (I'll catch it when I get back) [10:02] xlq (n=xlq@88-106-122-53.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [10:02] I used to have /proc/dev/rtc/max-user-freq but it seems to have gone. [10:03] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [10:03] epinav (i=55705f0e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-496fcdb28d9bb368) left ##slackware. [10:03] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [10:03] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "leaving" [10:04] FriedBob : here's the part from my samba config: http://pastebin.com/d55139f69 [10:05] hi.. im trying to get online with new comp, but somehow it seems that comp just doenst want to establish link with my ADSL modem witch works fine on other comp im working with right now.. is there any way i can force connection, or activate some debugging/verbose logging mode? [10:06] epinav (i=55705f0e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-496fcdb28d9bb368) joined ##slackware. [10:07] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:08] josssshhhh (i=0@host121-70-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:09] hi everybody!!! [10:09] hhhhelllllooo [10:09] i'm a newbie on slacky... [10:09] I ccccannnn ttteeelllll [10:09] can ask you a thing? [10:09] I don't know. Can you? [10:10] [ in bed ] [10:10] nobody expert in networking? :( [10:10] i have to turn on acpi and everybody told me i have to recompile kernel [10:10] nice (n=hx45062@41.252.30.149) joined ##slackware. [10:10] it seems to work for me [10:11] (huge-2.6.27.7-smp [10:11] hey slackwarers [10:11] "slackers" [10:11] :) [10:11] but can i only change in make menuconfig or have i to do make and make install too? [10:11] Kristina_Q: crank up the verbosity in /etc/ppp/options [10:11] No, you have to re-compile it [10:11] and Linux doesn't have "make install" [10:11] because it doesn't know where you'd like your new kernel image. [10:12] acpi is already in the kernel you idiots. [10:12] xlq ... are you the slackware wizard in here? [10:12] spook thanks, will try [10:12] lol [10:12] nice: no [10:12] what he needs is the /etc/acpi scripts [10:12] do you think slackware is a good distro to start with linux? [10:12] I started with Slackware [10:12] that is what i'm about to do [10:12] yes [10:12] are you very happy with it? [10:12] yes [10:13] so did I, be prepared to tinker a bit but you'll love it :) [10:13] but, no, it's not, unless you know what you're doing or unless you don't mind a lot of work [10:13] nice : prepare to receive biased answers to that question :) [10:13] I think it's great though [10:13] i'm a newbie on slackware not on linux [10:13] Aha, that's a start [10:13] my doubt was on recompile kernel [10:13] i never did it [10:14] It's easy, as long as you start with a good config [10:14] i read that you have to do everything yourself on slackware [10:14] unless you find it necessary, there is very little need to recompile your kernel [10:14] so i have to do make menuconfig, make clean, make dep , make bzimage and then make install? [10:14] nice: use slackware and find out for youself [10:14] josssshhhh: recompiling the kernel is easy, there are a couple of guides out there to help you do it [10:14] do i need to start with old versions or is it ok to start with v12.1 [10:14] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [10:14] josssshhhh: there isn't an 'install' target [10:14] there's 'modules_install' to install the modules [10:14] nice : start with the latest. there is no reason to start with anything earlier [10:14] josssshhhh: dont listen to these idiots, you already have acpi in your kernel and enabled. [10:14] take it easy spook [10:15] xlq : sure there is 'make install' [10:15] nice: it was an honest answer. [10:15] ananke: there wasn't last time I looked :\ [10:15] xlq : when was that, 1995? [10:15] i have installed it already [10:15] but it seems a lot of word to do in there [10:15] ananke: no [10:15] ok there is an 'install' target [10:15] spook: last time I checked (12.0) I had to recompile my kernel for acpi (laptop battery) [10:15] no there is make modules, make modules install and then make install...no? [10:15] but it needs an 'installkernel' script [10:15] xlq : take a look, it's been there for 2.6.x since the beginning, and in 2.4.x as long as i can remember [10:16] Are you sure it's already enabled in 12.2? [10:16] xlq, i doubt anybody uses it though [10:16] epinav: ... [10:16] and any other things that might help beside ethtool, mii-too; for relations between computer and router? coz i tried pretty much things and still "ethtool eth0" reports that link is down [10:16] xlq : make install for 2.6.x kernels copies the freshly compiled image to /boot/vmlinuz [10:16] ananke: I want high-resolution timer support, for audio. Is that in the default (huge) kernel? [10:16] Kristina_Q: you want the interface up with no address. are you using pppoe-start ? [10:16] xlq : not sure, you'd have to check the config [10:17] I'm trying to find it [10:17] spook: pppoe start gives me timeout.. [10:17] so thank to all of you [10:17] ifconfig reports that eth0 is up [10:17] but no link with router [10:17] Kristina_Q: use nano /etc/ppp/options and enable debugging, then use pppoe-connect [10:18] josssshhhh (i=0@host121-70-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware. [10:18] Lol, there's "One Laptop Per Child" option in the config [10:18] zerox0 (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.215) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:19] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:19] spook ok thx, ill try that later, cant now bcz i need adsl on this computer atm :) [10:20] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:20] hcfd (n=hacfed@host86-147-59-135.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [10:20] nixfreak (n=ice9@mn-10k-dhcp2-1906.dsl.hickorytech.net) joined ##slackware. [10:21] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [10:21] Hi, I've downloaded several VNC applications from slackbuilds.org, but I'm having problems getting any of them to compile with the slackbuild scripts. Either the source file is the wrong format or unrecognised, whatever. I tried editing the script (from tar -xvzf to tar -xvjf and vice-versa) -- partial success. [10:21] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-86-126-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [10:22] nordle (n=nordle@87.113.70.133.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [10:22] Has anyone else noticed that the slackbuilds.org scripts sometimes don't work? [10:22] hcfd: what package in particular? [10:22] tightvnc 1.3.9 [10:22] hcfd: tar -xf slackbuild.tar.gz; cd slackbuildname; wget thesource.tar.bz; ./slackbuildname.SlackBuild [10:22] Same problem with x11vnc [10:22] That one worked perfectly for me. [10:22] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:22] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:23] hcfd: you *have* downloaded the source as well, right? [10:23] spook, that's what I've always done :) [10:23] xlq, yes [10:23] hcfd: which version? [10:23] lowkyalur (n=low@icm10-orange.orange.sk) joined ##slackware. [10:24] hi Slackers! Anyone using Suspend to RAM? I was using it under 12.1 and have since upgraded to 12.2 and can no longer get it to work. The GPU goes off, the keyboards lights start flashing and thats it, fans/disks still on etc I have to force power off and fsck on re-boot. [10:24] I copy the link from the slackbuilds.org page, use wget to retrieve it [10:24] Even looking at the script, I see it' uses a tar.bz2 file and the info (and website) both show a tar.bz2 link. [10:24] BP{k}, yes - but when I run it I get an error saying not a valid archive [10:24] hcfd: did you check the md5sum of the archive? [10:25] nordle: mine is working oke. do you use any special script to suspend? [10:25] BP{k}, yes [10:25] ahmed-tux (n=kvirc@adsl196-193-72-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [10:26] nordle: you could also try using pm-suspend , which is new in slackware 12.2 [10:26] hello [10:26] long time didn't jint this channel [10:26] lowkyalur: I did use this one: http://pastebin.com/m7ec6c951 Dude didn't write on it so cant remember where i got it. But I also tried pm-suspend which I believe is part of pmutils. [10:26] BP{k}: hello i didn't forget you [10:27] thrice`: Cheers, I did try pm-suspend, same issue. Weirdly, I'm using the same kernel in 12.2 that I did in 12.1 (except re-compiled because of new headers, libs, gcc etc). [10:27] hello I have 12.0 want to upgrade to 12.2 but don't want all the kde junk what cd's do I need [10:27] nixfreak: 1 and 2 [10:28] cd 1 and 2. (but note upgrading from 12.0 is not supported [10:28] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [10:28] straterra: hello , you too i didn't forget you [10:28] Ether_Man_ (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:28] BP{k}: how are you and how's netherland [10:28] Ether_Man_ (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:28] ahmed-tux: fine, thanks. and no bloody clue. [10:29] Ether_Man_ (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Client Quit [10:29] Kool-Aid (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [10:29] spook, xlq, BP{k} : I just started again, md5 is fine, ran the script - stopped on this error: http://pastebin.com/m166cd0f2 [10:29] Dependency? [10:30] nordle: with mine im also unloading the you too i didn't forget you [10:30] 16:27 -!- Ether_Man_ [n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] [10:30] 16:27 < ahmed-tux> BP{k}: how are you and how's netherland [10:30] bummer so I need to upgrade to 12.1 first then 12.2 [10:30] wah sorry [10:30] DefaultGcc2i386Opt - ?? [10:30] BP{k}: Bas rutten [10:30] hcfd: read the slackbuilds.org page for it [10:30] proablly does [10:30] nordle :just typing echo -n mem > /sys/power/state isnt ok? [10:30] nixfreak : sure you can, as long as you know how to do it [10:30] lowkyalur: Found it, http://www.linux.com/feature/114220 I used it from here, but it looks like he [10:30] did you do a full install? [10:30] hcfd: that looks weird [10:30] spook, doesn't list any dependencies at all. [10:30] xlq, dunt it? [10:31] lowkyalur: ...he changed it since, so I could try his new one. [10:31] nordle: i'm also unloading the usb 1.1 module before sleep and reload it after. it's said to cause trouble. do you use it? (uhci_hcd) [10:31] ahmed-tux: pardon? [10:31] nixfreak: or backup and reinstall. [10:31] tamara` (n=rki@145.100.196.105) joined ##slackware. [10:32] ahmed, the dead terrorist [10:32] Action: ananke should watch that standup again [10:32] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.254) joined ##slackware. [10:32] hcfd: I just did a test build, and it builds fine here. [10:33] lowkyalur: no, not using usb1. I will just try this new version of script just found. I think the echo -n mem bit is ok, but sometimes the GPU doesn't come out of suspend properly, especially some ATI cards, I think thats why the script does some extra bits. [10:33] BP{k}, thanks man. I wonder what the problem with my system is then? :/ [10:33] http://pastebin.com/d2409ab07 is my sleep.sh [10:33] hcfd: SBo, doesn't list any dependencies that are part of slackware... like spook asked: 'did you do a full install, or a partial one?' [10:33] Full. [10:34] replay (i=1000@69.26.207.5) joined ##slackware. [10:34] Minagi (n=Minagi@pool-151-196-189-71.balt.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:34] brb [10:36] I wonder if this machine might have a hardware bug.. [10:36] It's very slow to boot up, but seems stable. Can run all my apps, can compile most things, but just having problems today with all of these VNC packages [10:36] notassociated (n=notassoc@155.Red-88-0-239.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [10:37] I suppose I could just back up home dir and reinstall it again , is that the best way ? [10:37] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:38] home+etc and possible var if you are ocpd enough :) [10:38] lol ok [10:38] nixfreak, http://www.linux.com/feature/136601 to go from 12.0 to 12.1. [10:38] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [10:39] I don't have cd drive though so can I just mount the iso ? [10:39] yeah [10:39] mount -o loop file.iso /path/to/mount/point [10:39] or download the directory tree instead [10:39] yep [10:40] Is there rsync or unison or something to use to sync the Slackware tree? Surely not everything changes between distributions. [10:41] xlq: rsync is part of slackware. [10:41] BP{k}: I know, but is there an rsync mirror of Slackware, for downloading new Slackware versions? [10:41] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:42] xlq : uhmm, sure. just find a mirror that provides rsync [10:42] xlq: http://alphageek.dyndns.org/linux/slackware-mirrors.shtml [10:42] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:42] jmoncayo (n=Administ@200.107.54.113) joined ##slackware. [10:42] U-Neeks_ (i=555@200-96-138-235.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:42] U-Neeks (i=555@201-67-56-16.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:43] Nick change: U-Neeks_ -> U-Neeks [10:43] hey guys, i have a question, i seted up a squid proxy and i have an internal webserver, when the proxy is running my lan computers cant connect to the web, but when it is down they can, what could have gone wrong? [10:44] Ekc (n=iskar@87-126-18-167.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [10:44] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Connection timed out [10:44] jmoncayo : #squid [10:44] hcfd (n=hacfed@host86-147-59-135.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "memtest86ing" [10:45] lowkyalur: yay, STR working again :) Using: http://www.linux.com/feature/114220 [10:45] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:47] nordle: what does the /proc/bus/pci part do? I don't use it... [10:49] lowkyalur: It's all to do with Video cards that dont behave properly, ie those which don't come out of suspend. so essentially it does the job for them to make sure it happens. If yours works without its because your hardware is behaving itself and working as its supposed to :) [10:50] nordle: thank you. thinkpads rule. [10:51] lowkyalur: I'm using it on a Desktop, and when it works its great. No long boots and spending 5 mins opening all my apps/files etc. 4 seconds and done. 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At the end of the script I am trying to create a file based on the directories name. In the script, I have used "find" and "ls -d */" options, and the shell variable has the trailing "/". How do I delete this character? [11:03] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [11:04] eche $file-directory = /home/user/data/sub/ [11:04] I want to remove the trailing / [11:04] /home/user/data/sub [11:04] there ya go [11:05] If it were Perl, I could use chop but in bash, I am lost. [11:05] If you want to do it in Bash: [11:05] xlq: heh. :) [11:05] FOO=/foo/bar/ [11:05] echo ${FOO%/} [11:07] That will not delete the trailing / [11:07] nice (n=hx45062@41.252.30.149) left irc: "Leaving." [11:07] It will substitute foo with bar [11:07] Why not? [11:07] No it won't [11:07] Have you tried it? [11:08] Hold on.... [11:08] is there anyway to crop/edit out parts from an flv video without converting to another format, and back again? [11:09] xlq: clearly he hasn't [11:09] is there much of a difference between 12.0 and 12.2 [11:09] Bad advice: echo "$FOO" | sed -r 's/\/$//' [11:09] nixfreak: well, i wouldn't do an upgrade directly from 12.0 to 12.2 [11:11] xlq: that looks more like it. I have even forgotten the regular expressions. :-| [11:11] kleanchap: don't actually use sed! [11:11] bash does it perfectly well [11:11] (note the "Bad advice" written on the same line) [11:13] not going too just wanted to know if 12.1 & 12.2 run better then 12.0 I have a pen III and less then a Ghz pro w/ 256 mb ram [11:14] It's not going to be faster [11:14] nixfreak: slackware-12.2 runs pretty good on the computer I have set up for kethry. that's a PIII 800 with 380MB or so [11:15] awww poor keth! [11:16] I guess it's enough to do blogging and pix and whatnot. [11:16] xlq: It works! You are my hero for today! ;-) [11:16] rob0: aye. :) [11:16] Just out of interest, why did you think it would substitute foo with bar? [11:16] are the minimum specs for slackware still like 12MB of ram and a 286 or something like that? i know that won't run the gui, but still... [11:17] Action: kethry sniffles.. has to make do with the ickkle computer.. *nods* [11:17] fghd (n=fghd@94.181.200.238) joined ##slackware. [11:17] Organizm: I would say minium of 486. AFAIK it never ran on a 286. [11:17] /dev/wife used to insist on having the fastest computer in the house. [11:18] Ok. [11:18] 386 support ended at Slackware 8.1. 9.0 was 486 minimum. [11:18] Kristina_Q (n=Kristina@93-139-64-82.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [11:18] 486 is like the first pentium class chip, isn't it? [11:18] negative [11:18] 386 [11:19] i'm going to go read up on that. [11:19] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80486 [11:19] there we go! [11:19] thanks rob0, you preempted me [11:19] ; ) [11:19] As far as RAM, I'm not sure offhand what the installer requires; it's much more than what is required to run. [11:20] ' thanks rob0, you preempted me [11:20] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:20] It was the end of your time slice ^ [11:20] lol [11:21] spook: still cant comunicate with router.. nothing important in logs. pppoe broadcasts his stuff but doesnt get any respond.. and times out. [11:21] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-8-2.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:22] is there any other tools for router - computer comunications except ethtool and mii-tool? [11:23] router? pppoe? That sounds like a DSL modem, not a router. [11:23] aye [11:23] its adsl modem [11:23] bridge mode [11:24] just cant get it linked up with computer.. ethtol eth0 reports that link is off but LED on ADSL modem is green.. [11:24] very wierd [11:24] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.28) left irc: "Bye Bye" [11:25] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:25] dunno if it has any relation to fact that i had to turn autonegotation off and set speed and duplex manually to get LED green on adsl modem. [11:26] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [11:27] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:27] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:28] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:28] It's tough to try to troubleshoot stuff like that in IRC. Do you have more than one computer, patch cables, and a switch? [11:29] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:29] no its only 1 computer connected.. and adsl modem works fine coz im using it right now on other computer [11:30] s0ttle (n=pacman@pacman.sawbox.org) left ##slackware ("0x31 0xc0 0xc9 0xc3"). [11:30] okay, how did you do it with that one? [11:31] its other network card (some d link here), integrated nforce4 there. and this is windows computer.. didnt have any problems with connection [11:31] somebody know why firefox on slackware show some images totally in black? [11:32] DasEi (n=m@f054222201.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:32] do you have adblock on ? [11:32] nixfreak: yes? [11:32] *yes [11:32] not new to linux, is there a possib to install slack without neeed to have all 6 disks or the insataller dvd (f.e. netinstall) ?? [11:32] that might be theh issue [11:33] yeah mount the iso's [11:33] http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/Installing_Slackware_12_or_another_version_with_the_ISO_images_but_without_burning_them [11:33] DasEi: you really don't need CD 4-6. Those only contain the source. You want CD 1 and 2. And 3 if you want KDE [11:33] you may aswell rsync if you do it that way [11:33] only the first CD is needed for a minimal install, right? [11:33] nixfreak:thanks , reading .... [11:34] Action: DasEi is loading, jonsmith1982: [11:34] rob0: minimal yes. without X/XAP [11:35] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:35] josemanuel (n=josemanu@244.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [11:35] ahmed-tux (n=kvirc@adsl196-193-72-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:37] I have never used rsync to upgrade a different version how do you do that [11:37] rudolf (n=rudolf@p57A2D579.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:38] huh? rsync(1) is for transferring files, not for upgrading. [11:38] i've never actually upgraded, always used a fresh instal [11:38] but using rsync gives you more options. [11:38] nixfreak, so easiest drop a second cd in for installation and run a live by, create mountpoints and chroot over, nice [11:38] DasEi: A full install of 12.2 using CDs 1-3 isn't too large, 4+ GB, I think. If you've got a decent connection you should be able to pull the Cds down fairly quick. [11:39] lol no cd drive [11:39] lol [11:39] oh:) [11:39] fine, thanks again [11:40] apt-get install slackware hehe [11:40] heh [11:40] germany vs tunisia playing [11:40] funny (: [11:41] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: "Gone" [11:41] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [11:42] ahmed (n=kvirc@adsl196-193-72-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [11:42] Kristina_Q (n=Kristina@93-139-64-82.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: "Leaving" [11:42] Nick change: ahmed -> ahmed-tux [11:48] Nick change: slackytude2 -> slackytude [11:48] is it possible to crop a single frame using ffmpeg? [11:48] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [11:49] tntslack (n=will@194.219.37.9) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:50] tntslack (n=will@194.219.37.9) joined ##slackware. [11:54] Guys, just bought a external 1tb disk mainly for backup purposes [11:54] what fs do you advise me to install on it? [11:54] currently it has vfat [11:54] i'd recommend partitioning it [11:54] not vfat [11:54] ext3? [11:55] steerpike: why? [11:55] ext4 ^-^ [11:55] steerpike: you want to make a movie thumbnail? [11:55] no, i want to remove a frame [11:55] oh.. crop..:) [11:56] i had converted a dvd to avi, but for some reason virtualdub inserted a frame in the beginning which wasn't supposed to be there [11:58] Kaapa: if you don't want to use it with CrapOS, then use ext3 or ext4 :) [11:58] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:58] is ext4 on stock slack? [11:58] of course [11:59] steerpike: just crop from the next frame to the end of the movie then? [11:59] with new kernel [11:59] 2.6.28 [11:59] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-86-126-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [11:59] Ekc: yeah, but i only know how to specify from what time, not by frame [12:00] so: mke2fs -t ext4 is all I need, correct? [12:00] Kaapa, new kernel [12:00] bah, ext3 it is [12:01] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [12:02] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-214-23.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:02] slackytude: isn't there a stock kernel supporting ext4? hugesmp? [12:03] kamaji, ext4 became stable with 2.6.28. ext4 support is in previous kernels too, but experimental, afaik [12:03] considering that no slack came out with 2.6.28 kernel, the prudent answer would be 'no' [12:03] slackytude: hello [12:04] y0 ahmed-tux [12:04] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiz79.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:04] long time no see [12:04] huh, fair enough [12:04] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiz79.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:05] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.254) left irc: ":wq" [12:06] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [12:08] how to rar a file [12:08] a folder actually [12:08] lw0x15: is that a question? [12:08] I dont know rar for linux. only unrar, afaik [12:08] slackytude: yeah , how are you ? [12:08] xlq: yeah [12:09] I think there is a rar [12:09] somewhere [12:09] i know [12:09] but it doesnt rar :s [12:09] Doesn't it? [12:09] ahmed-tux, quite good. watching handball world championships. how about you? [12:09] Well, I can't help you then [12:09] 12:12 after first 30 minutes [12:09] slackytude: very good , and doin somework and chating in irc [12:10] Action: slackytude is basicaly always chatting in irc :( [12:10] lol [12:10] yeah, I did wonder, slackytude [12:10] slackytude: long time didn't see irc's friends [12:10] slackytude: too busy [12:10] how can i zip or compress a file ?:s [12:10] a folder lol [12:10] ahmed-tux, too busy is good. better than nothing to do at all [12:11] lw0x15: tar? [12:11] lw0x15, tar czf FILE FOLDER [12:11] steerpike: well, I'm not sure you can do that.. try with the seconds as a last resort [12:11] tar -c myfolder | bzip2 -c9 > myfolder.tar.bz2 [12:11] slackytude: true n when i have free time realy nothing to do [12:11] (I invoke bzip2 explicitly to specify maximum compression) [12:11] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [12:13] the rsync's -b options is only if we want to keep old snapshots, right? [12:13] slackytude: s/FOLDER/DIRECTORY/ [12:13] for "standard" backups, I assume -a is enough. Am I roght? [12:14] slackytude: Folder is an exclusively Windows term [12:14] bbeecher (n=bbeecher@stu231-246.bard.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:14] Zordrak, zomg! Im turning into a zombie [12:15] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@75-107-34-104.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [12:17] slackytude: how's the weather there ? [12:18] ahmed-tux, rainy and 5C now. ^-^ Thats pretty good from -13 C last week [12:18] the rain sucks, tho [12:18] still windy and cold for you? [12:20] slackytude: ahhh -13 no need to buy a freezer there [12:21] yeah, it was damn cold [12:21] sherique (n=ri@adsl-68-90-180-64.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:31] sherique (n=ri@adsl-68-90-180-64.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:31] i hope my ham radio friend decides today would be a good day to help me take down this 80 foot antenna tower, he has all the good equipment, gin pole, safety belts & etc [12:31] notassociated (n=notassoc@155.Red-88-0-239.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:32] Pig_Pen: oh, you're a ham? [12:32] 80 ft [12:32] no. i have have a CB base station [12:32] if I did that neighbors would complain [12:32] oh [12:32] cool [12:32] 80 feet tall [12:32] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:33] superGear (n=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:33] I thought the antenna was 80 ft [12:33] my closest neighbor lives about a quarter mile away [12:33] ahh your in the country [12:33] my antenna is 17 feet tall [12:33] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) joined ##slackware. [12:33] add 17 feet to the top of an 80 foot tower [12:33] damn [12:33] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [12:34] BillyLeeCN (n=hitly@58.62.116.143) joined ##slackware. [12:34] Action: slackytude calculates [12:34] 97 feet :D [12:34] BillyLeeCN (n=hitly@58.62.116.143) left ##slackware. [12:34] lol, i taked all over the world from oklahoma on CB using SSB, the EU, Australia, central & south america, the carribean [12:35] Jamaica [12:35] snowdonkey (n=bennett@c-98-227-222-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:36] Hi. I'm looking to get a new CPU and I was wondering, can Linux take full advantage for quad-cores? [12:37] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [12:37] yup [12:37] Linux can handle many more than 4 cores [12:37] Ah, ok. Good to hear. Thanks [12:38] tntslack (n=will@194.219.37.9) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:38] tntslack (n=will@194.219.37.9) joined ##slackware. [12:38] is it 64 CPUs or cores is the limit? (could be more) [12:38] 512 is the max [12:38] 512, ok [12:38] |newbie| (n=fabio@host37-192-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:39] that is super computer territory, you can tell a super computer by the big red "S" on its chest [12:40] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.182.28) joined ##slackware. [12:40] haha [12:41] :) [12:41] with that taller tower i may put up a 3 element yagi beam, besides my vertical [12:41] slackytude2 (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [12:41] Isn't that illegal? [12:41] It is here. [12:41] naw [12:41] habe gerade vmware installiert und bekomme beim ausführen folgenden fehler: http://dpaste.com/110443/ [12:42] rudolf, english please [12:42] i live in hillbilly country, i can do anything i want on my own property [12:42] sry wrong channel [12:42] xlq: where do you live? [12:42] hcx (n=hcx@Q755a.q.strato-dslnet.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:42] Pig_Pen: I was considering radio law, not planning law [12:43] i run only legal power, 4 watts AM and 12 watts SSB [12:43] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [12:43] i can talk to people as far as 60 miles away on 4 watts [12:44] must be plains [12:45] Pig_Pen: I know, but here, it's explicitly stated that you're not allowed to use beams on the CB band :( [12:45] lets see... to the north and west i have hills, (why i want a taller tower) but to the south & east it is all down hill, i live on the side of a small mountain about half way up [12:45] CB is license-exempt here now, too [12:45] Ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) joined ##slackware. [12:45] Pig_Pen, good position [12:45] my ham radio friend has a four element cubical quad beam [12:46] yeah! finally leading by two points [12:46] tunisia is damn good [12:46] xlq: where do you live? [12:46] UK [12:47] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.254) joined ##slackware. [12:47] ah, yeah, the UK has some strict and crazy laws regarding all electronics [12:48] i have talked to a few people in the UK, (Ireland & Scotland) on CB [12:48] |newbie| (n=fabio@host37-192-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "byez" [12:48] you reach UK with CB? O_o [12:48] on a good day [12:48] do you still have to get a license to own a television in the UK [12:48] thats pretty good [12:48] Pig_Pen: yes [12:48] Ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) left ##slackware. [12:49] USA needs to do that [12:49] yup, slackytude2 i talked to people in many parts of the world, [12:49] too many fools waste away in front of television sets [12:49] Cann0n: the license doesn't stop people wasting away here [12:49] Pig_Pen, I always though CB was pretty limited [12:49] but it does seem to ensure a good quality of television [12:49] |newbie| (n=fabio@host37-192-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:49] (well, it's still pretty crap) [12:49] (but I hear it's better than the USA's) [12:49] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:50] or make televisions only run for one hour in the morning and 2 hours in the evening, other than that they dont turn on [12:50] xlq, you mean good quality of public owned television [12:50] the BEEB, (bbc) [12:50] xlq, yeah, i guess not. but fat sad unhealthy people and fools that follow the trends of tv need to disconnect for a while [12:50] There are no television receivers in this house [12:50] fghd (n=fghd@94.181.205.54) left irc: Connection timed out [12:50] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:50] i mean, "can you imagine life before tv" ? [12:51] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:51] Yes. [12:51] Pig_Pen: it's not for owning a television, it's for watching TV real-time. [12:51] fghd (n=fghd@94.181.210.93) joined ##slackware. [12:51] before television there was radio, and movie theaters [12:51] i went 3 years without tv, internet, A/C, or a washer and dryer [12:51] by choice [12:51] AlexElliott: indeed. You can own a television, as long as it's not tuned. [12:51] Cann0n: so why are you back on the Internet now? [12:51] ah, in real-time, in case too much cleavage gets exposed or profanity [12:51] And you can watch on-demand stuff without infringing. [12:52] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:52] |newbie| (n=fabio@host37-192-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:52] xlq, because its readily available via wifi and i acquired a laptop [12:52] |newbie| (n=fabio@host37-192-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:52] brb, i need some boiling hot coffee [12:53] i still used a computer off line for music and such (slackware) [12:53] anywho. i got guests, bbl [12:53] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Leaving" [12:53] bbeecher (n=bbeecher@stu231-246.bard.edu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:55] bbeecher (n=bbeecher@stu231-246.bard.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:56] 3 minutes and 3 point lead [12:57] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.24.218) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:57] slackytude2: you must be watching some sports game [12:58] Action: slackytude2 nods [12:58] handball world championships [12:58] germany vs tunisia [12:58] Pig_Pen, hmmm, my guess would have been typesetting. [12:58] pretty good game. tunisia is strong [12:59] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.24.218) joined ##slackware. [13:00] i hate football, when i was in highschool i was scheduled for football, i was put on offense and the defenfensive side had some huge guys that would mow me down like getting hit by a greyhound bus, so i dropped out of sports and hated it ever since [13:01] handball not football [13:01] ah [13:01] and I dont like football not much either. regardless if its soccer or american style football [13:01] non contact sports, thats cool, i like games where you dont get run over by bigger guys [13:02] handball is a contact sport. [13:02] yeah! 26:24! [13:02] great game [13:02] counterstrike :) [13:02] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:02] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) joined ##slackware. [13:02] now, its russia vs poland [13:02] |newbie| (n=fabio@host37-192-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "byez" [13:02] thats [13:02] that should be good [13:02] superGear (n=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [13:04] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.24.218) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:04] |newbie| (n=fabio@host37-192-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:04] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owq2aA2Z31s i see now, it is different than handball that we have in the usa [13:04] snowdonkey (n=bennett@c-98-227-222-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [13:05] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.24.218) joined ##slackware. [13:05] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:05] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[13:07] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOXOtHtv3Uc this is the handball we have in the USA [13:08] Pig_Pen, Interessting [13:08] Pig_Pen, thought it was the same [13:09] Pig_Pen, actually, I never saw the US style handball [13:09] looks fast [13:09] the EU handball reminds me of soccer, except you use your hands instead of your feet [13:09] yeah, its a cross between basketball and soccer [13:09] it can be intense [13:10] older than basketball, tho [13:11] it is. I played it meself when I was younger. Its one of the sports I really enjoy watching [13:11] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:12] Any advise on migration from 12.1 to 12.2? [13:12] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.24.218) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:12] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.24.218) joined ##slackware. [13:12] s/advise/advice/ [13:12] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [13:12] i used to love playing baseball, as a left handed individual i could sometimes hit the ball better because most pitchers are better at pitching to right handed batter than left handed batters [13:14] caoliver: do you have /home in a separate disk partition? read the documentation for upgrading before starting, [13:14] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:14] I played baseball a few times. Got a friend who trired to get into a US team with it. Not sure if he made it. He was in a pretty good team here in germany, but its not a big sport in any way [13:14] xlq (n=xlq@88-106-122-53.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Sometimes we must do things which are considered harmful" [13:14] pw0x (n=nukedclx@aejn127.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:14] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-138-223.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:15] personally i just wipe and do a clean install, since i keep /home in a separate disk partition, plus i save a copy of /etc as a reference so configuring things in /etc is easie [13:15] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:15] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.32) joined ##slackware. [13:16] most handball teams have some left handers. They are pretty good for outer right position. Its rare to see a right handed player on right position on world class competition [13:16] caoliver, there is UPDATE.TXT + [13:16] if you follow that, all should be fine [13:20] Same here. I don't trust in-place upgrades. Last time I staged the install on QEMU, then went live once I had things beaten into submission. I just wondered if there was some significant gotchas folk have hit. [13:21] giuppy (n=giuppy@host239-69-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:22] i always fear that some old files from the previous install would cause problems [13:22] if there are any they should be listed in CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [13:23] I have things set up with very little in /usr/local, local stuff in opt administered and owned by opt.opt, and user accts in home. [13:27] Nick change: Akuma3 -> Akuma [13:29] has anyone compiled xorg 1.5.x on slack? [13:31] Someone's brave. I try to avoid building X11. [13:32] Action: edman007 wants to run radonhd-git [13:32] so far slamd64 want to patch xorgconfig.c...that file has been removed from xorg :/ [13:33] Having a Mob Rad in my cheap laptop, I understand where you're coming from. So far I cry uncle and run ATI's blob. [13:34] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [13:34] caoliver, lol, last time i tried the blob is just segfaulted [13:34] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "leaving" [13:34] tried 2 versions of x, 3 kernel, and 4 versions of fglrx [13:34] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:35] so i don't have much hope... [13:35] The only issue I have with the blob now is that I doesn't handle multiple X sessions. [13:35] lowkyalu1 (n=low@icm12-orange.orange.sk) joined ##slackware. [13:35] I'm running Catalyst 8.9 on this computer now. [13:35] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [13:36] snowdonkey (n=bennett@c-98-227-222-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:36] I tried the RadeonHD, but found the fan kept spinning on high, so either the driver has some GPU or CPU usage issues. [13:37] slackytude2 (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:37] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [13:37] I'm looking at the Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200, and I see that it doesn't support virtualization. Does that mean I can't use VirtualBox, or is this a different technology? [13:37] you can use virtualbox [13:37] There's a four core that doesn't have VT? (Boggle!) [13:38] caoliver: Unfortunately, yes: http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/chart/core2quad.htm [13:38] Seems seriously lame. [13:38] slackytude: Ok, so what virtualization are they talking about? :-/ [13:39] snowdonkey, para virtualisation. for use with the kernel virtualisation stuff. [13:40] What's the price diff between the 8200 and the 8300? [13:40] slackytude: I'm still not sure I understand. It's missing virtualization used for businesses? [13:40] caoliver: On Newegg about $60. [13:41] Similar to QEMU. I can run a VM on this laptop which has a T5500. I.E. no VT. [13:41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel-based_Virtual_Machine [13:41] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:42] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_virtualization [13:42] If KVM is important to you, I spring for the addnl $60. [13:42] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:42] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [13:42] snowdonkey, basically, the VT makes virtualization faster [13:43] Much! [13:43] if your virtualization solution supports it [13:43] it has some additional advantages but it can be sumed up in one sentence. If you *need* virtualization, buy it [13:44] Ok, so if I had a CPU with VT VirtualBox would be faster? And KVM is like VirtualBox, but built into the kernel? [13:44] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:44] I doubt I need it, b/c I'm not sure what it is yet, lol. [13:44] Im not sure virtualbox will make use of it without tweaking [13:44] If you've the pocket change, I'd buy it. [13:45] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: [13:47] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-064c496617ddc97a) joined ##slackware. [13:47] caoliver: Ok. If I go that right might as well shell out extra $12 for Q9400, for extra 0.33 GHz and 2 more MB cache. [13:47] On this subject, I have KVM set up only on an AMD running SLAMD64. Can KVM be used on a 32 bit host, or are important things missing from the ISA? [13:47] *that route [13:48] I would do that. [13:49] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: "Leaving." 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[14:22] update bind again [14:22] it's complaining about "capability" module, just updated from the archive from the 15th [14:22] slackware-security] bind 10.2/11.0 recompile (SSA:2009-015-01) [14:22] I even built a new package from the patches/source dir [14:22] Yessir, that's the new one I just tried. [14:22] bind-9.3.6_P1-i486-2_slack11.0.tgz is the current package [14:22] ah [14:22] strange [14:23] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:23] Linux tasty 2.6.23.17-linode43 #1 Wed Mar 5 13:57:22 EST 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux [14:23] rudolf (n=rudolf@p57A2D579.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:24] It was working up until recently. [14:24] Rob_e (n=Rob_e@cpc1-clif3-0-0-cust212.nott.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [14:24] angrygoat, changed anything else? [14:25] I recently patched up everything else. [14:25] Probably, two weeks ago? [14:26] So I am current except for the 15th, I haven't done SSL or NTP yet. [14:26] scared to death with this freaking out on me. [14:27] Jan 18 13:25:21 tasty named[31779]: loading configuration from '/etc/named.conf' [14:27] And then poof, nothing. [14:27] And I am running -d9 trying to get more data. [14:28] check your kernel config for capability [14:28] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:28] it's a linode kernel unfortunately. [14:28] whats linode? [14:28] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:28] www.linode.com [14:28] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-138-223.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:29] VM hosting service. [14:29] really nice folks. [14:29] I quit running my own hardware a while back, they're pretty solid. [14:29] Action: slackytude shrugs [14:29] I run my own other stuff, just not this server. [14:30] I'm guessing you have capability disabled in your kernel [14:30] linode ftw [14:30] but as I said, Im just guessing [14:30] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [14:30] Me too. :) [14:32] eltt0s (n=pacman@pacman.sawbox.org) joined ##slackware. [14:33] Problem is DNS is now down, and I gotta fix it so I can go back to work. [14:33] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [14:35] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:36] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:38] Action: slackytude checks slashdot [14:39] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [14:40] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) joined ##slackware. [14:42] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-245702.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[14:55] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:58] ANyone here good with cups and samba? I really need toget this working. I've spent too much time on it as it is. [15:05] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-8-2.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:05] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-3-99.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] FriedBob, not good at it but whats your problem? [15:10] I finally got my printers to work in Slack, but not I can't get them to show up in windows via SMB. [15:10] Right now though, I have to run back into town. [15:10] Action: slackytude shrugs [15:10] I need to return a deep fryer we bought that is broken. [15:11] My wife wants me to do it sooner rather than later. [15:11] well, thats a clear commandment then [15:12] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:13] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. 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[15:21] vim [15:21] heh [15:21] I mean with the formatting more or elss in place [15:21] s/elss/less/ [15:21] you mean emacs [15:21] openoffice or abiword are your best bets [15:22] OO is just developing a filter for lwp files but it doesn't work well yet [15:26] looks like AbiWord doesn't support lwp either :/ [15:28] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:30] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:30] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) joined ##slackware. [15:31] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:33] neither does StarOffice damnit [15:34] valvola (n=val@host36-243-dynamic.53-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "valvo is shutting down..." [15:34] NyteOwl, have you checked the latest version of abiword? think there was a release a few days ago [15:34] ever heard the term vendo lock-in? [15:34] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:34] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:35] Action: NyteOwl is going to be pissed off if he has to hunt down his old Win98 and SmartSuite discs just to convert some docuemtn files [15:35] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:35] dive: was just on ABi's web site. no joy [15:36] Has anybody used ext4 here? I wanted to try it but I'm not sure, if it is a good idea yet :D [15:36] the format is similar to the old benbo code IBm developed. Given their support of open source and the fact that Lotus is almost out of the market I'd think they'de help provide a module for openoffice. Then again it wasn't a very popualr product so maybe it's not seen as much of a priority [15:36] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:37] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:37] NyteOwl, http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/WordProConverter.htm [15:37] I was thinking of creating a chroot environment of a full slackware installation so that I can mess around with different software (building KDE 4 from svn and stuff.) This seems like a good alternative to running in a VM. Has anybody here done this sort of thing? Any tips/tutorials? [15:38] slackytude: I know - I was looking for somehting to use in Linux [15:39] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [15:42] Srbo: do you know if ext4 is supported in lilo? 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[16:02] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-15-70.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:08] hmm... i read that ext4 is currently unsupported by lilo. Only Grub can boot from ext4 right now. Does anybody know s.th. about that? [16:11] I would think the reverse would be true. [16:12] gm152, why? also Srbo you might be thinking of grub2 [16:13] hm... i don't know. First of all, I compile a new kernel with ext4 support and then I'll look for the rest ;) [16:13] Nick change: hiptobecubic^ -> hiptobecubic [16:15] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:16] I would think you could at least use lilo to boot ext4 as an "unknown" filesystem, kind of like I've used lilo to boot Windows before. [16:17] when you umount something does it automatically sync? [16:17] Makaveli_ma (i=SALADIN@adsl196-195-105-217-196.adsl196-12.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [16:17] It will try, yes. [16:18] You can force umount to do what's called a "lazy unmount" whereing it unmounts, but continues to sync. [16:18] But by default, it will finish syncing before it finally unmounts. [16:20] ok [16:20] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:21] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) left irc: "leaving" [16:22] I am doing a find/grep operation on some files. I would like a md5 hash of the files identified. [16:22] Has anyone done this before? [16:22] Wow. I was just going through some old texts on the server... [16:22] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [16:22] In that case I will say this: If I find out I don't have a career because you 'didnt care', I will devote *decades* to finding you and killing you. I'm not joking. [16:22] lawl [16:23] kleanchap: I haven't, but that looks to be fairly straightforward. [16:24] kleanchap: what kind of operation? [16:24] find + grep [16:25] As in "find each file of type foo that contains bar"? [16:25] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:25] |xargs md5sum should do [16:25] How do I list only file names from a find operation? find . -type f ....... [16:25] find . -type f lists only file names [16:25] Yep. [16:26] I think it would be better to use grep -rl, though. [16:26] find ... -exec grep bar -- {} + -l | xargs md5sum [16:27] bbeecher (n=bbeecher@stu231-246.bard.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:27] unless you are not interested in filtering the files list with find then what jkwood said will work as well [16:27] of course, xargs won't work if file names contain spaces [16:28] dimmerbold (i=dimbold@port.23.telnetd.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:28] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:29] I'd do something like "for i in $(grep -rl bar *); do md5sum $i; done [16:29] nixfreak (n=ice9@mn-10k-dhcp2-1906.dsl.hickorytech.net) left ##slackware. [16:29] jkwood: that's not any better [16:29] in fact it's worse ;) [16:29] Can find .. -print0 | xargs -0 .. handle spaces? [16:29] I'd have to play with it. [16:29] gm152: we have grep in the middle [16:30] mikearr: Ah, ok. [16:30] to handle spaces a shell script would have to be written that implements find and does if grep ... ; then md5sum ...; fi [16:31] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@173-16-207-247.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [16:32] xargs -0 should handle spaces just fine. [16:32] jkwood: but it will separate arguments on NUL byte only and grep -l separates files with a new line [16:33] Ah, okay. [16:34] a partial solution is: [16:34] lowkyalu1 (n=low@icm12-orange.orange.sk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:34] find -exec grep -l -- {} + | while read file; do md5sum "$file"; done [16:35] this won't work if files contain new line character thought [16:36] (or grep -rl |while read file; do md5sum "$file"; done depedning if find features are required) [16:36] What kind of goofball puts newlines in filenames? [16:36] you can never eb sure [16:36] especially that someone could deliberatly put new line to exploit a script [16:38] like, imagine a cron tab script which deletes file from /tmp or something [16:38] it could use the aproache I've shown but instaed of md4sum rm -rf -- [16:39] now, if someone creates a directory named and inside files like etc, bin, usr, and so one the system is destroyed [16:41] True. I always hesitate to script rm -rf's. [16:41] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:42] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:42] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "leaving" [16:42] is there a way to limit global upload speed? [16:43] It's a pity things like -0 are not in the standard but I guess it's because the standard does not say a NUL byte is allowed in text streams [16:43] My computer at home is on comcast and if you go over so many bytes/sec they throttle you, so it's actually faster to limit yourself [16:44] hmm... speaking about crapppy connections [16:44] hiptobecubic: get a better ISP? [16:44] thumbs, yeah thanks. any other ideas? [16:47] hiptobecubic: tc and iptables [16:48] called traffic shaping [16:49] read lartc.org to understand about queue disiplines with some examples [16:50] SiegeX, ok thanks :D [16:50] its not easy, but its usefull [16:51] Makaveli_ma (i=SALADIN@adsl196-195-105-217-196.adsl196-12.iam.net.ma) left irc: [16:55] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [16:58] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.32) left irc: [16:58] replay (i=1000@69.26.207.5) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [16:59] renew01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-154-70.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [16:59] hiptobecubic: my brother has comcast and hits the same problem you mentioned [16:59] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-154-70.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:00] rk4n3, it's the worst [17:00] josemanuel (n=josemanu@244.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [17:00] downspeed is great, until you start using it [17:00] same for up [17:00] hiptocubic: no doubt - I used to have Charter, and they're almost as bad but not quite [17:01] hiptobecubic: now I have business-class service with Qwest - waaaaay better - night and day [17:01] you can limit upload speed on dd-wrt [17:03] jonsmith1982, yeah, but i don't have a router that supports it available at home [17:03] rk4n3, how much a month? [17:03] replay (i=1000@69.26.207.5) joined ##slackware. [17:03] hiptobecubic: around $85 [17:03] you can also patch linux to do something like that [17:04] yowza [17:04] hiptobecubic: yeah, it was a leap for me, but I've been increasing my small business usage of it, so that made my mind up to switch [17:05] hiptobecubic: its been great though - really glad I switched [17:05] rk4n3, it better be for 85 a month [17:06] hiptobecubic: yep - there's quite a list of things that are better, not just raw speed [17:07] rk4n3, like what? other than your bandwidth probably doesn't fluxuate wildly based on the time of day [17:07] fluctuate :D [17:07] plus it's useable as a business expense for tax purposes :) [17:08] hiptobecubic: for one thing, I have an actual individually-specified contract, and I made sure that it specifies they can't inspect or mess with my traffic in any way whatsoever, and they had me sign a release to protect them from my activity [17:08] oh that is nice. [17:09] hiptobecubic: another thing is that they cut between 4 and 8 hops off the routing for this type of service, as its connected straight to upstream backbones instead of consumer-level switches [17:09] hiptobecubic: its 7M down and 1M up, but it seems like 10x what my Charter high-speed was [17:10] NyteOwl: yes, that's a good point too :) [17:12] poseidon (n=Joseph@ip70-161-210-129.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:12] rk4n3, very nice indeed. maybe it's worth it afterall [17:12] poseidon (n=Joseph@ip70-161-210-129.hr.hr.cox.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:13] hiptobecubic: no doubt about it - if I were just web surfing and getting email, it wouldn't be, but I gots lots more going on than that, so it works out very well [17:13] rk4n3, yeah i'm doing a lot of different things from mine at home. It'd be nice if i could wring some more abuse out of it [17:14] hiptobecubic: well, someday maybe you'll be able to justify a better pipe :) [17:15] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:19] http://www.datamancer.net/keyboards/scrabble/scrabble.htm scrabble keyboard [17:22] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:22] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:25] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:25] gm152 (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:29] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [17:29] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:29] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [17:30] Weird... after suspends, the flash just doesn't work really well at all, it lags like hell and there's something terribly wrong with the sound [17:31] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-245702.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:34] Rob_e (n=Rob_e@cpc1-clif3-0-0-cust212.nott.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:35] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [17:36] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "leaving" [17:37] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:39] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [17:41] tribeca (n=naitso@host184-5-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [17:44] How do you mark all email in a Maildir "as read" using Mutt? 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[17:57] thank you NetrixTardis :) [17:57] np [18:02] is there an app to convert a folder of png to a particular resolution? or change to jpg and make a particular resolution? [18:03] I have some large images i need to reduce [18:03] sQuEE (n=narya@201.253.202.23) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:04] hiptobecubic: gimp? [18:04] gimp will batch? [18:06] gn [18:12] I think gimp will do it, I think I read that a long time ago but I can't remember the details [18:13] will my cheapass router forward ipv6 packets? (not v6 in v4) [18:14] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] edman007, http://www.pugbus.net/artman/uploads/placenta_helper.jpg [18:17] ...do i want to look> [18:17] ? [18:17] haha yes [18:17] tom cruise approves [18:17] rofl [18:18] i was getting bored so i was googling all sorts of stuff and that came up [18:18] nix_chix0r, do you have the pony's tracking number? [18:18] i didn't even get its head :( [18:19] yeah 98873271632 [18:19] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:19] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-026-214.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:19] tracking numberz fail :( [18:20] noesss' [18:20] shipped through who? [18:20] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-245702.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:21] EZ shipping [18:22] ahmed-tux (n=kvirc@adsl196-193-72-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:22] EZ shipping? [18:23] do they specialize in losing packages? [18:23] because i got nothing :( [18:23] yeah especially ponies [18:23] and tvs [18:23] :( [18:23] Action: edman007 requests a different shipping company be used [18:24] well it's already shipped [18:24] i can't get it back [18:24] it's on it's way [18:24] maybe you can just buy a new pony and TV, have it sent through UPS or FedEx, when i get the other pony i'll send it to you [18:25] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [18:25] you can trust me [18:25] naw [18:26] zenzelezz (n=zenzelez@95.34.76.240.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [18:27] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.190.44) left irc: "Saindo" [18:27] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:27] nix_chix0r, please? [18:28] nooo [18:29] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-15-70.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:30] nullboy (n=nullboy@97-94-107-72.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:31] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-2-189.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:33] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:34] Action: edman007 sues nix_chix0r for safe return of the pony [18:34] pony killer! [18:35] EZ SHipping? is that .au? [18:36] bbeecher (n=bbeecher@stu231-246.bard.edu) joined ##slackware. [18:39] v4nelle (n=van@adsl96-121.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:39] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [18:39] doesn't matter [18:44] nordle (n=nordle@87.113.70.133.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-245702.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:46] hello, not sure if this is a 12.2 issue or a me issue. Trying to use rpm2tgz on http://tinyurl.com/93pf3h and it unpacks nothing except a dir with the name of the rpm (minus the filetype). So then I tried rpm2cpio inst-source-utils-2008.11.24-2.1.noarch.rpm | cpio -i and this gets error "cpio: premature end of file". Can anyone verify that this is an app issue? ie not me doing something daft. [18:46] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [18:48] check the md5 for that rpm [18:50] Night :> [18:50] bombuzal (n=bombuzal@unaffiliated/bombuzal) left irc: "Night :>" [18:53] zenzelezz (n=zenzelez@95.34.76.240.customer.cdi.no) left irc: "Nothing is ever accomplished by a reasonable man" [18:57] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [18:57] nullboy: no md5 available that I can see. I just did it on the _src_ rpm and that worked. [18:58] the other rpm was probably corrupted [18:58] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [19:00] Don't think so, all suse 11.1 rpms that I've tested are the same....only the src versions work. Unless suse 11.1 are using some freaky new rpm thing. [19:01] hmm, i don't know much about the *2tgz tools [19:02] all I know about 'em is that they're shell scripts [19:02] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:03] eh, well, rpm2targz and rpm2tgz are, rpm2cpio is not [19:03] i suppose you could just extract the rpms that don't work with 2tgz and make your own package [19:03] Looks like its dodgy suse rpms..... and I dont mean corrupt, I mean they are weird. I've just done opera.rpm and that worked fine. [19:04] I remember a long time ago, redhat rpms were made using rpm version 4.x, and slackware couldn't read them as it only had version 3.x [19:05] but the next slack release included rpm 4.something. Maybe the same thing's happening here [19:05] hmm [19:06] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [19:06] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [19:06] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [19:07] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:07] if there are no slackbuilds probably be better off building your own than trying to convert anotehr formats [19:07] yeah [19:07] yeah, there are none for that [19:07] just checked [19:07] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-026-214.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [19:07] Srbo_ (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-026-214.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [19:08] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:08] Srbo_ (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-026-214.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:08] jkwood actually has a slackbuild suite he comprised [19:08] http://www.slaxer.com/packages.php [19:09] actually it's http://www.slaxer.com/scripts.php [19:10] zenzelezz (n=zenzelez@95.34.76.240.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [19:10] Cypheerpunk (n=Linux@187.9.24.183) joined ##slackware. [19:11] sQuEE (n=narya@201.253.202.23) joined ##slackware. [19:11] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [19:11] Linux neutrino 2.6.28.1-RAS #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Jan 18 15:52:31 PST 2009 i686 Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2400 @ 1.83GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [19:11] new one everyone gogogogo [19:12] heheh [19:12] Cypheerpunk (n=Linux@187.9.24.183) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:13] i'm on 2.6.27.10 [19:13] 12.1? [19:13] 12.2 [19:13] oh yeah the stock one for 12.2 is 2.6.27.7 i think [19:13] yeah [19:13] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:14] I actually want to test out btrfs [19:14] on a seperate partition [19:15] isn't it in 2.6.28? [19:15] kleanchap_ (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] 2.6.29 [19:16] nullboy: do you have another box called 'muon' ? [19:17] nope [19:17] lol [19:17] gluon maybe? [19:17] or quark? [19:17] :) [19:18] my laptop is neutrino and everything else is named after celestial objects [19:19] emma_ (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [19:19] phobos, galileo, deimos [19:20] into moons huh? [19:20] yeah the scary moons of Mars [19:20] muhahha [19:21] there is only one thin wrong with that phobos/deimos are Greek, Mars is Roman :) [19:21] there is a company that makes radios that do sort of the same thing, Galaxy Saturn was once a sought after radio by many hams & CBers [19:21] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-234-25.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:21] NyteOwl: but but THIS IS SPAARRRTA [19:21] lol [19:22] galileo is just cool because it's a satellite that was checking out other moons [19:23] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [19:23] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) joined ##slackware. [19:25] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-245702.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:27] Nick change: emma_ -> emma [19:30] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [19:35] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-234-25.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:35] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:35] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-234-25.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:36] someone recommend a mail client to do pop so i can redirect my mail from gmail/hotmail to it. No x running either [19:38] lotec: mutt or alpine? [19:38] fetchmail can get your mail over pop. then you can open it any client, pop or not [19:38] well i need to redirect my hotmail/gmail to it then have it send it to me [19:39] it? [19:39] why not just pop hotmail/gmail? [19:39] it meaning the server send the mail to me [19:39] too many pronouns in that sentence [19:39] does hotmail do redirection? [19:40] it should [19:40] procmail? [19:40] but then he would have to have a domain name and have his MX setup correctly if he wanted the redirected mail to hit his box [19:41] so what i need is a mail client to pull my mail from gmail/hotmail filter it then send the mail back to me in thunderbird or to my black berry. with no X required [19:41] gmail does pop and imap, you can just get it directly without any intermediate server [19:41] fetchmail + procmail [19:41] nooper: correct but i have about 6 different email accounts i check. i want to to go to one place get filtered then have the mail sent to me [19:41] lotec: just have hotmail/gmail redirect all incomming mail to your blackberry email address [19:42] sQuEE (n=narya@201.253.202.23) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:42] ah [19:42] i believe you can set it up so that it does spam filtering first [19:42] SiegeX: i do that now but i have 6 different email accounts set up on my black berry now was looking for a way to condense them into one [19:43] same with thunderbird/outlook i have all of them going to it to but i have to check 6 different accounts. Just thinking here. just looking for a mail client to do it. what ever it be [19:43] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.80.229.86) joined ##slackware. [19:44] heh, a real easy way is to setup a spamgourmet account, have yahoo/gmail redirect email to that account, then spamgourmet will redirect all mail from your spamgourmet address to your real address [19:44] sorta hackish but easy [19:44] you'll have to set the email limit on your spamgourmet address really high, default is 3 before it drops it. Its main purpose is to create dynamic emails that only last for a limited time [19:45] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@dsl-205-233-125-97.b2b2c.ca) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:46] or just create another gmail account, redirect everything to it, and have it redirect to the blackberry [19:46] ^ [19:46] ya, that will do it too [19:46] but i got a server here might as well put it to work [19:47] is it more reliable than gmail? [19:47] true enough. [19:47] unused cpu time kills trees [19:47] then try procmail + fetchmail [19:47] dive: ill do that [19:47] nooper: certainly more private but since he has accoutns on gmailanyway I don't suppsoe that matters :) [19:47] increased global warming from working CPU's kills tress too =) [19:47] LOL [19:48] you will need sendmail or similar too though [19:48] SiegeX: i dont know where you are but i am in florida and it is cold as heck here so i dont know where the global warming is [19:49] its on vacation in mexico [19:49] dive ok so i need sendmail also. never done a mail server this will be my first go at it [19:49] you'll probably need to setup SMART_HOST if you are on a residential IP [19:49] cause every relay and their mother is going to drop your shit [19:49] nope no residential. [19:49] fetchmail grabs your mail, procmail sends it to sendmail etc [19:50] dive anything else i need? [19:50] hrm [19:50] that should take care of it all correct? [19:50] nope [19:50] I could give you a slackadelic.com/noobfarm.org account ;P [19:50] dive: thanks [19:50] an 1/8 of some cronic aught to do it [19:50] Dominian: i got one on Reverse.net [19:50] heh [19:50] that's not as cool though! [19:50] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [19:51] lol correct. i should of asked yea sooner. [19:51] and was talking about email account [19:51] not shell [19:51] Dominian: i have to set the mail client up myself [19:51] doh [19:51] Dominian, me wants sheelllll [19:51] Dominian: pm me with a price [19:51] I had one of those free ones once but long forgotten the user/pass [19:51] Dominian: hey, thanks for reminding me of pfsense yesterday. What a fantastic firewall. Bye bye endian. :) [19:51] if its not alot ill send yea a paypal for it [19:52] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [19:52] pf, heretic! =) [19:53] pfnosense maybe, http://www.instantrimshot.com/ [19:53] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:53] chopp: aye [19:54] chopp: I love it.. works wonderfully [19:54] Dominian: hook me up? [19:55] j0z (n=JESUS@201-25-163-98.ctame704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:55] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:55] Dominian: I have a couple weird things going on that I'm not sure about yet, but awsome otherwise. Even have my 11b ap on it. [19:56] chopp: hehe that's the same way I did it [19:56] lotec: price? what price? [19:56] can someone like... nachox.. thrice` .. BP{k} rworkman vouch for you ;) [19:57] SiegeX: nice rim shot. :) [19:57] for a slackadelic.com/noobfarm.org email addy. i can give yea some cash for one. if your willing to do that [19:57] pfft. [19:57] rworkman will. [19:57] ask some of the se guys I gave shells to.. like thrice` etc.. I don't charge. [19:57] Dominian: i dont care to throw you some cash to keep it going man. [19:57] lotec: I mean if you want to donate some money or something.> i won't wargue [19:58] You can always donate the money to me. =) [19:58] Dominian: that is what it is a donation man. [19:58] the only thing I ask is this: no illegal files.. please watch the space you use as I don't have quotas enabled in /home [19:58] other than that... [19:58] use yoru best jugement [19:58] ok hang on.. let me get the email account created [19:59] DominianL jkwood i think would vouch for me also. [19:59] fghd (n=fghd@94.181.210.93) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:59] jkwood: would you vouch for lotec ? [19:59] I'v eseen him around, but don't know him too well hehe [20:00] lotec: what type of email quota do you need? [20:00] hmmm free accounts? [20:00] remember.. I'm not "gmail" so I can't give you "infinity" space lol [20:00] nothing big. ill deleate them as they come. 200 megs to much? [20:00] Well, no, I don't know him well enough to vouch for him. I would if the donation was large enough, though. ;) [20:01] Dominian: dont worry about it man. I can set this one up. no big deal [20:01] 200 meg quota? hehe that's small [20:01] i understand i would not want to igive accounts out either bro [20:01] argh.. haning some connectivity issues here.. hang on [20:02] lotec: PM me your real name if you don't mind :) [20:03] this is the ture elite way to get data off a disk http://www.dataclinic.co.uk/data-recovery/hard-disk-microscopy-ii.htm [20:03] Gill Bates [20:04] nullboy: in the same way thermite is the only secure way to wipe a disk? ;) [20:04] haha [20:04] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [20:04] you can see the bits with that magnetic microscope [20:04] that's a trip [20:05] nullboy: nice pictures [20:06] v4nelle (n=van@adsl96-121.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:09] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:09] kleanchap_ (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [20:09] im not sure which is cooler, thermite or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMs7Hnsy2xE [20:09] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-245702.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:09] maybe thermite with that, although i think the thermite might just go through the whole fricken thing [20:10] can't beat thermite if it just ahs to be destroyed :) [20:11] ya but this has more of the 'destroyed' impact [20:12] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [20:12] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@173-16-207-247.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Connection timed out [20:12] what was that weird science program where they tested out thermite on various objects? [20:13] braniacs [20:13] brainiacs even [20:14] actual hard drives shredded --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQYPCPB1g3o [20:14] although braniacs brings to mind certain things [20:14] falling in that would be teh suk [20:18] yeah wouldnt like to work in front of that [20:19] what are slackers do in the night / at the weekend ?? http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=yln_IGDuOCo [20:21] bad time to get a power surge [20:21] nice little red spot on the floor [20:21] lol [20:22] what if it freaked out and start bashing you face first into the ground multiple times as fast as it could [20:22] then you die? [20:22] i think one time would just about do it =) [20:23] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.163.5) joined ##slackware. [20:23] do people always like the testing version of new soft ? rolleyes [20:24] ? [20:24] _ohm (n=nava@own30748RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [20:25] me ? kidding [20:29] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-026-214.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:30] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [20:31] hello [20:32] Nick change: eltt0s -> s0ttle [20:32] anybody have problems installing drivers for a Nvidia MX 400 integrated graphics card on Slackware 12.2? [20:32] I can't seem to compile it [20:33] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:33] what does the log say? [20:34] k hold on [20:34] flood kick fail [20:34] http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=nvidia-legacy71&sv=12.2 [20:34] Nick change: s0ttle -> s0t [20:35] Nick change: s0t -> junpa [20:35] tea4me_ (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-15-11.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-2-189.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:35] sycofly (n=chatzill@122-57-133-205.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [20:35] what is the like for pasting text? [20:35] *link [20:36] Nick change: junpa -> apnuj [20:36] Nick change: apnuj -> junny [20:36] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@173-16-207-247.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [20:36] a [20:36] sadsfae (n=will@funcamp.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:36] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/ [20:37] http://rafb.net/p/bLqk1X16.html [20:37] zGhost (i=dave@adsl-69-209-123-97.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] anyone in here ever mess with mini disc players and Linux? [20:38] Nick change: junny -> nubee [20:38] Nick change: nubee -> junpa [20:40] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [20:40] zGhost: shall be similar to usb, and cdrom plays minidisc, too [20:41] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] It's a Sony mini disk player, I'd like to import songs onto it [20:41] FDCX (i=0@77.81.95.217) joined ##slackware. [20:41] a friend of mine gave me it free so I was figuring I'd try using it [20:41] Nick change: SuN|2 -> EuroTrash [20:42] zGhost: so it's a mini harddrive and no mini disc [20:42] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.88.73.247.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] ah, so I just mount it? [20:43] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:44] iirc Sony minidiscs wer MO media (magento/optical). you needed a special drive [20:45] zGhost: does fdisk -l find it ? [20:45] it has a USB port, let me check it out [20:45] unless it requires a special driver, it should [20:46] an MD player for MD's? that would be interesting [20:46] er a USB palyer [20:46] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:46] yeah I was givven if for free, so I figured it'd be a good idea to keep it [20:47] I've never seen one - got a model numebr? [20:47] sQuEE (n=narya@201.253.202.23) joined ##slackware. [20:47] sycofly (n=chatzill@122-57-133-205.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "binary dust warning" [20:50] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [20:51] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [20:51] zGhost: one of these? http://reviews.cnet.com/minidisc-players/sony-net-md-mz/4505-6492_7-8727482.html [20:52] hba (n=hba@189.188.143.232) joined ##slackware. [20:52] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:52] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:53] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@173-16-207-247.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:53] I'd forgotten about this one till I saw the page [20:53] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@173-16-207-247.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [20:53] it just never took off [20:53] was actually kind of cool [20:53] DRM adn too damn expensive [20:54] All the SOny MD stuff was too expensive [20:54] yeah [20:54] knew a guitar player who had the 4-track version of the sony md [20:54] first experience I ever had with digital recording, beat the hell out of 4-track tape [20:54] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [20:55] but IIRC it stores the music in a lossy compressed format [20:55] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:56] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:56] evening folks :-) [20:56] zGhost: does fdisk -l find it ? [20:56] actually to get the same accuracy of reproduction using digital as really good analog gear your sampling rate has to be close to a megahertz. The ear of most people won't hear the difference but digital sound, while it may usually be more "noise free" is not as faithful a reproduction of the original [20:56] In trying to cp -ar /home/user to a thumb drive, I get all sorts of errors that ownerships cannot be preserved. I guess that is due to the VFAT format on the thumb drive, and I can safely just ignore all that and be fairly sure I'm getting all my files backed up? [20:56] hi macavity [20:56] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@173-16-207-247.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:57] usr13: Yes. [20:57] gm152: Ok, tnx. [20:58] usr13:vfat has no user management, and from the other side act as root, why -ra ? cp -r [20:58] NyteOwl: what it was replacing wasn't good analog gear :) [20:58] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2+2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [20:58] :) [20:58] anyway musicians are a superstitious lot [21:00] UrchLap: not to mention, generally suceptile to myths [21:01] anyone with a thinkpad know the /sys equiv. of /proc/acpi/ibm/hotkey ? [21:02] panzer (n=panzer@h129.24.91.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [21:03] morn [21:04] sycofly (n=sycofly@122-57-133-205.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [21:04] Sequelinha (n=sequelin@189-51-32-106.unotel.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:05] Sequelinha (n=sequelin@189-51-32-106.unotel.com.br) left ##slackware. [21:07] thrice`, there are a few hotkey files in /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/ but I don't know how useful they are [21:08] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [21:08] anyone actually use mplayer's dvdnav support much? [21:09] hum... [21:09] company bbl, ciao [21:09] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [21:10] I got the drivers install for Nvidia support, but I tried testing it via Screen Saver. I used GL screen savers, but doesn't seem to work. GLX is added on the Xorg.conf. Anybody no why it does show the screen savers? [21:11] SORRY ****Anybody know why it Doesn't show the Screen Savers? [21:11] when you run mplayer dvdnav://, you get: Remember to disable MPlayer's cache when playing dvdnav:// streams (adding -nocache to your command line) [21:12] have you got 'load "dri"' and 'load glx' in xorg.conf? [21:12] dive: thrice`: also /sys/bus/acpi/drivers/thinkpad_hotkey [21:12] eh, if they went to the trouble of adding that message, why not just automatically disable the cache? [21:12] laters, i got to watch a spaghetti western :D [21:12] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [21:12] checking dive [21:13] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009026155.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:13] hi guys [21:13] at 'load "dri"' is missing [21:13] :P [21:13] let me add it [21:13] thrice`: closest I see is around /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/ [21:13] see in a bit [21:14] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2+2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [21:14] do you know how to save a spreadsheet using sc app (spreadsheet calculator) [21:14] does anyone see ALPS option in their kernel in the input devices section under mice > [21:14] ? [21:14] yes [21:15] I tried 'W namefile.sc', but it returns only text files [21:15] could you please paste the DEPENDS line? [21:15] Depends on: !S390 && INPUT && INPUT_MOUSE && MOUSE_PS2 && EMBEDDED [21:18] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:20] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:20] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [21:21] diva, no go [21:21] hum... it used to work [21:23] nullboy: seems strange to me, but the slackbuild for kvm gave me an error about man pages not existing (trying to move the man directory) ... did you get that too, and with the resulting package not having any man pages at all ? [21:23] kehrig (n=pw7503@snow.cs.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:24] Ok: firstly, epic is confusing, and secondly, i've hosed my whole slack install [21:24] hmm not here, i hvae the manpages [21:24] Action: rk4n3 hmmm's [21:24] bummer [21:24] /var/log/packages/kvm-83_2.6.28.1_RAS-i686-1_SBo:usr/man/man1/qemu-img.1.gz [21:25] rk4n3: are you logged in as root or did you su [21:25] XGizzmo_: logged in as root [21:25] I'm getting someting about a superblock being corrupt, but it seems to think I have an ext2 root fs instead of ext2 [21:25] also, I don't get most of the error message, because the terminal font is huge [21:26] oh it's "An error occurred during the root filesystem check" etc. [21:26] nullboy: AHA! you have a different kernel (not that its a big deal, but it might account for something) [21:26] grep man /var/log/packages/kvm-83_2.6.27.7_smp-i486-1_SBo [21:27] can anyone help? [21:27] ... returns nothing [21:27] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:27] diabolix (n=jordan@c-67-165-58-144.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:27] tea4me__ (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-13-53.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:27] rk4n3: nothing. [21:28] rk4n3: is tetex installed? [21:28] tea4me_ (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-15-11.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:28] seems zGhost is on music, I'm worn off too for today and thanks for advice [21:28] rworkman: no, its not [21:28] DasEi (n=m@f054222201.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware. [21:29] junpa (n=pacman@pacman.sawbox.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:29] rk4n3: there's likely the problem; I think kvm uses tetex to generate the manual pages [21:29] rworkman: aha - that would make sense then [21:29] rworkman: I think so also [21:31] kehrig (n=pw7503@snow.cs.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-2.4 -- Are we there yet?" [21:32] kehrig (n=pw7503@snow.cs.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:32] k (n=pw7503@snow.cs.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:32] agh [21:32] k (n=pw7503@snow.cs.bris.ac.uk) left irc: Client Quit [21:32] bloody epic [21:33] depending on tetex? can it get any uglier? :> [21:33] slack isn't finding my hard disks anymore, can anyone help? I don't know how to get this thing booting [21:33] please ;_; [21:34] kehrig: what did you do before this happened? :) [21:34] I upgraded :\ [21:34] glx is not supported anymore? [21:34] kehrig: you didn't merge the .new files before rebooting <-- my guess, based on symptoms [21:34] kehrig: did you merge the rc.d/rc.udev.new file? [21:35] rworkman: i didn't use slackpkg or anything, I used the dvd [21:35] it didn't say anything about .new files... [21:35] kehrig: did you read UPGRADE.TXT? [21:35] yeah [21:35] I did all the steps [21:35] even the part where it tells you to merge the .new files in /etc? [21:36] it just says to update any conf files? I didn't see anything about .new [21:36] kehrig: re-read it. [21:36] you must look to find the files [21:36] okay [21:37] kehrig: anyhow, you'll need to boot from the installation dvd now, and merge those from there. [21:37] hr. Got laptop, has touchpad. Uses plain psmouse driver and plain ps/2 protocol in Xorg [21:38] is there any way to kill the "touch to click" behaviour? [21:38] thumbs: that's what I did before [21:38] all googling I've done so far turns up directions for turning it on/off with the synaptics/alps driver [21:39] kehrig: before? You were unaware of the presence of those .new files until now :) [21:39] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl214-37.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:39] and one set of directions for disabling the touchpad entirely, which I don't wanyt [21:39] want [21:39] thumbs: pretty much :\ [21:40] kehrig: so it should be an easy fix now. [21:40] kehrig: did you follow what I asked you to do? [21:40] still doing it [21:40] oh, did you say just the rc.d one? [21:41] kehrig: no, all of them [21:41] yeah, doing that [21:41] kehrig: the rc.d ones are more important, but you should do them all. [21:41] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-234-25.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [21:43] UrchLap: http://rlworkman.net/conf/misc/xorg.conf might be useful (re doing it with synaptics) [21:43] I've no idea what a synaptics even is... [21:44] laptop touchpad. [21:44] well yeah... but a specific type? [21:44] UrchLap: the brand of touchpad [21:44] thumbs: thanks :( I shall read more closely next time [21:44] UrchLap: mine is an Alps but it is supported by the synaptics driver too [21:45] mine's whatever's in 2002-era sony vaios [21:45] probably synaptic [21:45] is it a case of every manufacturer using the same parts then? [21:45] yeah [21:45] more or less the same [21:45] kehrig: no worries. [21:46] most of them are synaptics compatable. [21:46] s/compatable/compatible/ [21:47] ok then, will see if that works [21:47] it's one of those little annoyances I've been thinking of fixing for years [21:47] UrchLap: same here on my lappy. [21:48] kehrig (n=pw7503@snow.cs.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "(thanks again, thumbs)" [21:48] and it looks I'm going to have to put a piece of tape over the LEDs on the wireless card too [21:48] UrchLap: what's the annoyance? [21:48] i'm just curious, not flaming [21:48] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:48] nullboy: tap-to-click. I hate it... especially when I accidentally do it while typing [21:48] UrchLap: did I tell you about my flush-the-partition-table button on my dell? [21:49] thumbs: eh? bug or feature? [21:49] UrchLap: ah the synaptic driver will definitely let you fix that [21:49] UrchLap: see it tries to boot the media partition (non-vista) and allows you to view images and videos [21:49] zerox0 (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.254) joined ##slackware. [21:49] UrchLap: the problem is that I nuked all the vista crap, and that button nuked my partition table [21:50] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:50] the wireless card, the LEDs blink constantly (not in response to traffic, steady on/off/on/off...) [21:50] thumbs: ouch [21:50] UrchLap: fortunatelym I had written down the sectors on paper. [21:50] thumbs: you're lucky. Nobody does that any more :) [21:50] UrchLap: a simple cfdisk fixed it. Nevertheless, the button has now a black piece of tape on it. [21:50] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: Excess Flood [21:50] At least I don't - I would have been screwed. [21:50] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [21:50] thumbs: maybe superglue so you can't press it [21:51] UrchLap: sure, but with the tape now, I can tell. [21:51] UrchLap: just another gotcha with laptops. [21:51] or pry the damn thing off with a screwdriver [21:51] nah, too destructive. [21:51] if my partition table got hosed, I'd be feeling destructive... [21:51] Good evening. [21:51] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl214-37.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [21:52] UrchLap: I always use the same layout too. I almost typed it by heart... [21:52] heh [21:52] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:52] plus I gave up on worrying about whether my stuff gets damaged, because it always does [21:52] snowball2nd (n=julian@belug-julian.in-berlin.de) left irc: "leaving" [21:52] (cosmetic damage, I mean) [21:53] Has anyone successfully configured a Broadcom 4318 card under Slackware - eitehr with B43 or ndiswrapper? I'm about ready to pull my hair out over this one. [21:54] PaddyMac: you are not the only one who is pulling the hair out over that one... ive seen numerous people fight with that one [21:54] PaddyMac: however, if they managed to get it right, they forgot to come back and say so... [21:55] I was able to use it under Kubuntu with ndiswrapper, but that's the only distro I ever got it working under. [21:56] UrchLap (n=urchlay@c-24-131-55-107.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: ":wq!" [21:56] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:57] zerox0 (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.254) left irc: ":wq" [21:57] QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ [21:57] oh geez [21:57] diabolix (n=jordan@c-67-165-58-144.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:58] I even downloaded the proper firmware from the B43 project site and installed it, and it still doesn't work. I mean, something might be working, because my laptop at least detected the essid and said the signal strength was 90%, but it wouldn't connect. And I could only manipulate the interface from the commandline with iwconfig and ifconfig. The GUI tools in KDE had no effect. [21:58] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [21:58] Try with a non-secure router to confirm connection can be established? [21:58] UrchLap (n=urchlay@c-24-131-55-107.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] Nick change: gabriel -> gzamora [21:58] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:59] PaddyMac: is that WEP, WPA or WPA2? [21:59] Motoko-chan: I have no router. I'm trying to do it ad-hoc, and I do have encryption disabled until I at least get it working. Under Windows XP ad-hoc worked fine even with encryption. [22:00] OK, appears to work with synaptics driver. I never would have guessed... [22:00] however this don't work: Option "TouchpadOff" "2" # 0=enabled, 1=disabled, 2=tap/scroll are off [22:01] The laptop has an Intel wifi card. Maybe I should just find a Windows user to sell the Broadcom card to and buy another one. [22:01] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "té mais :D" [22:01] UrchLap: TapButton1 = 0 ? [22:02] PaddyMac: i'm having good luck with Atheros cards here.. the ath5k driver is getting pretty good, and is 100% Free (no firmware needed) [22:02] also the docs say setting MaxTapTime to 0 disables the tap-to-click, but that doesn't work either [22:02] hba (n=hba@189.188.143.232) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:03] Macavity: How much does an Atheros card typically sell for, and how can I know a card has the Atheros chipset? [22:03] I wonder if the synaptics driver is even doing anything at all [22:04] eh, no it isn't, cause I failed to add it to my ServerLayout. D'oh. [22:05] hba (n=hba@189.188.143.232) joined ##slackware. [22:05] I would try the ndiswrapper route, but for some reason ndiswrapper would not compile properly, and I couldn't find a prebuilt Slackware package. [22:05] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/ndiswrapper/ [22:06] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [22:06] $ md5sum /dev/tty0 - the fun begins :) [22:06] PaddyMac: Icidu makes cheep ath5k capable cards [22:07] PaddyMac: i paid about $25 each for mine.. but that metric is probably not any good, as i live in Denmark :P [22:08] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:08] ok since on this subject what about pci wifi cards that can be used to turn a slack box in to a access point? [22:08] i'd use atheros for that [22:09] (EE) Synaptics Mouse no synaptics touchpad detected and no repeater device [22:09] eh, crap [22:09] Thanks, nullboy. I'll try that. [22:10] UrchLap, I had the same problem on my thinkpad.. I fixed it but I'm not sure how now [22:10] dive: very helpful. [22:10] heh [22:10] yeah was some time ago... [22:10] nullboy: ath5k works with HostAP now? [22:10] am about tempted to completely disabled the touchpad, but if I do I'm almost guaranteed to lose the tiny little USB mouse I use... [22:11] who said hostapd [22:11] i didn't [22:11] or ath5k even [22:11] UrchLap, which synaptics driver are you using? [22:11] isnt that a prequisite? [22:11] i use madwifi [22:11] ahh [22:11] right [22:12] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:12] dive: the one that comes with x.org, on slackware 12.2 [22:13] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009026155.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:13] the one that gets installed by "install everything" on the DVD I mean [22:13] and which Device is it pointing at? [22:13] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:13] /dev/psaux [22:13] in xorg.conf [22:13] which is AFAIK correct [22:14] hr. Maybe it ain't. If I go "od /dev/psaux", I get data from the device if I move around on the touchpad... but I also get data from moving the USB mouse, which shouldn't be [22:14] Option "SendCoreEvents" "true"? [22:15] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:15] no, but in the ServerLayout: InputDevice "Synaptics Mouse" "AlwaysCore" [22:15] I know I had a lot of problems getting it working and it all came down to that [22:15] it looks like maybe I need /dev/input/mouse1 [22:16] (instead of psaux) [22:16] take off "AlwaysCore" from server [22:16] and add that line I put above [22:16] yeah... but that isn't the root of my problem (not sending core events has nothing to do with the driver failing to init at all) [22:16] lemme try /dev/input/mouse1 [22:17] and my usb mouse also sends events to /dev/psaux [22:17] so I wouldn't worry about that [22:17] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [22:17] well that fails [22:17] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [22:17] same deal: (EE) Synaptics Mouse no synaptics touchpad detected and no repeater device [22:18] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] UrchLap: hrm... grep -v ^# /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse [22:18] :P [22:18] psmouse is only in there commented out [22:18] hi all, I looked around SBo, slackware, and slackware alien for 'ogle' and/or goggles, can someone verify that it isn't anywhere I can get a .tgz without going to some more questionable source? [22:18] however: $ lsmod|grep psmouse [22:18] psmouse 40592 0 [22:19] I suppose udev loaded it [22:19] UrchLap: that makes sense. The modprobe.d entry was commented out when you booted, right? [22:19] oh hang on, I was looking at rc.modules, not modprobe.d [22:19] _ohm (n=nava@own30748RN.rh.ncsu.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [22:20] /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse says: options psmouse proto=imps [22:20] ding ding [22:20] and it should say what instead? proto=synaptics or such? [22:20] comment it out [22:20] See CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT :) [22:21] crap, I guess ogle is done for. [22:21] then rmmod psmouse && modprobe psmouse [22:21] that was the best dvd player I've ever used in linux [22:21] :/ [22:21] briareus: xine does a decent job too [22:22] hr. So I comment out that line, psmouse no longer loads. How then does X use the device? talks directly to hardware, not using kernel driver? [22:22] decent, but notoriously crappy for me in comparison to ogle [22:22] UrchLap, commenting out that line will not stop it loading [22:22] xine in this slackware install of mine is the only app I have that has repeatedly crashed or hung on me, and I despise it so much I don't care to troubleshoot it [22:22] but it will stop it loading with proto=imps [22:23] as it does in every distro I ever install it in [22:23] anyone use tuxguitar? [22:23] ok... [22:23] briareus: gmplayer? [22:23] thumbs: looks like I have to, but it sucks with subtitles menus [22:23] thats where ogle excelled, foreign film menus [22:23] briareus: odd.. i install libdvdcss and libdvdread, and it works 100% stable here [22:24] ah, OK. [22:24] macavity: I have those, but it fails like it has for 9 years that whenever I try it [22:24] UrchLap: /etc/modprobe.d/* only sets module *options* and/or tells one *not* to be loaded (via blacklisting). If there's no blacklist entry for a given module, and no options defined for it, then it will be loaded with kernel defaults when some event calls for it. [22:24] briareus: and has done so for years, across several slackware realeases and several laptops/boxen [22:24] I'm actually amazed when I hear xine works for people [22:24] Me too. [22:24] me too to macavity or to me [22:24] to you [22:25] foldingstock (n=foldings@68-117-248-108.dhcp.mtgy.al.charter.com) left irc: "leaving" [22:25] O_O [22:25] I am bummed on the ogle not dev'd since 06, I might try to install it anyway [22:25] The only thing xine does successfully around here is piss me off. [22:25] lol [22:25] lol [22:25] agreed [22:25] rworkman: right... appears to work now. [22:25] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-46.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:26] UrchLap: good :) [22:26] bleh. Am used to old slackware: if it ain't in rc.modules, it ain't loaded [22:26] that's some time ago.. [22:27] 5+ years ago anyway [22:27] I was still running slackware 8 on main machine until long after 10.0 was out [22:28] not Pat's fault, but the Linux world seems to be forgetting about the KISS principle [22:28] bah, old ogle code no workie [22:28] Action: briareus grudgingly uses mplayer [22:28] what KISS principle, things like udev exclusion? [22:29] I *still* don't know why /dev/dri/card0 is ignoring my MODE=0666 in the udev config [22:29] I want you... for the KISS army! [22:29] ProjectKISS [22:29] UrchLap: set it in xorg.conf in stead [22:29] oh, that still works? [22:29] ditch udev/hal/dbus and see where we go [22:30] Action: dive cheats with autofs [22:30] not saying udev/hal/dbus should go away. Saying they should be optional (the box where I'm having udev problems, is an embedded media PC. It doesn't need to work with any hardware but what's in it) [22:31] UrchLap: X changes that iirc, believe it our not [22:31] i dont use hal/dbus... [22:31] yeah I was just joshing a bit there [22:31] Thanks again, Nullboy. I just used the slackbuild and installed ndiswrapper. I'm new to Slackware, so I had to read the slackbuild Howto. Is Slackware so different from other Linux distros that I'm going to need a Slackbuild to compile most software properly? [22:31] if that's the expression [22:31] PaddyMac: you can compile it however you want it [22:31] slackbuild just makes it easier and more systematic [22:32] UrchLap: that=card0 permissions [22:32] rworkman: meaning, udev is following my orders, but X is resetting the permissions afterward? [22:32] yes [22:32] PaddyMac: no.. but if you want a proper package that you can remove again, you will either want to read the documentation, or use slackbuilds [22:32] UrchLap: create your own distro, without hal/udev/dbus/messagebus ;) [22:32] add the mode line to sectoin DRI [22:32] UrchLap: what thrice` said. [22:32] section* [22:33] hba: last version of the embedded media box basically was my own distro (mutated from slack 10.0) [22:33] or make sure your users are in video group, as Slackware will change the ownership of card0 node to group video [22:33] rworkman: well the specific user in question is "nobody" (which is what xscreensaver changes its UID/GID to if you run it as root) [22:33] Oh, I see. So Slack builds are meant primarily for package creation - not necessarily for compiling. But it seems that I've had more errors than usual compiling under Slackware than before, but maybe that's just my imagination. [22:33] I think adding nobody to the video group would be a bad idea... [22:34] tuvok302_ (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-46.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:34] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:34] and before you tell me how horrible it is to run X as root: it's an embedded system, not a general purpose machine [22:34] PaddyMac: unless you borked your install, slackware compiles mostly anything right out of the box (even lots of BSD stuff) [22:34] UrchLap: well, you could make nogroup's gid the same as video. [22:35] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:35] UrchLap: that's probably a bad idea too though on an embedded system (my nogroup idea). Definitely the best answer is what thrice` said. [22:35] what sort of problems? Usually people seem to have fewer problems - at least in terms of errors, though sometimes some arcane libs need to be installed first, of course [22:35] probably will just dike out the offending bits of xscreensaver [22:35] JustinTime (n=JustinTi@cpe-071-065-223-217.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:35] actually probably won't [22:36] Well, I'm still learning, but I'm liking what I've seen so far. I've tried many distros, and Slackware seems faster than any other I've tried so far. [22:36] Good to hear; enjoy :) [22:37] Well, my bed calls to me. I'll have to finish working on the Broadcom issue tomorrow. Good night, and thanks for the help. [22:37] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:37] G'night and sleep well [22:37] nite [22:37] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.88.73.247.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) left ##slackware. [22:39] use a real irc client! So you don't have to /quit :P [22:40] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-46.dial.telus.net) left irc: "User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby" [22:40] Nick change: tuvok302_ -> tuvok302 [22:40] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [22:42] /quit'ers never /win [22:42] \/exec -o yes they do. [22:43] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:43] /exec -o chomod -x `which yes` [22:43] doh.. s/chomod/chmod [22:43] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:43] Dominian: just to be safe? :-) [22:43] hehe [22:43] actually... [22:43] chmod 000 `which yes` [22:43] :) [22:44] rworkman: yep, X was changing /dev/dri/card0 permissions [22:45] JustinTime (n=JustinTi@cpe-071-065-223-217.nc.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Later"). [22:45] Action: UrchLap kicks X in the head [22:46] :) [22:47] I only knew that because I spent a lot of time "debugging" udev... watching events kick off the correct stuff, and then still seeing incorrect mode, before it finally registered... [22:47] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.163.5) left irc: "leaving" [22:49] ? [22:50] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:51] oops! Mr. Piter "The udev Man" Punk is alive! [22:51] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.216.224) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:51] oh, I still have to fix xscreensaver, I forgot.. last night I chmod 755 /root so it could read its config file [22:51] PiterPunk: talking about how X sets mode on /dev/dri/card0 [22:52] even tho it's an embedded system, that makes me uncomfortable... [22:52] UrchLap, are you getting warnings about running things as root? [22:52] dive: well yeah, but I expected them [22:52] PiterPunk: I spent lots of time on that before finally figuring out that it was X doing it (and perhaps *I* didn't figure it out -- you might have hit me with a cluestick on that) :) [22:53] it warns, but it runs anyway... but it sets its UID to nobody before it tries to read the config file [22:53] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.216.224) joined ##slackware. [22:53] I'd be just as happy with a -config option for xscreensaver that tells it where to load the config file from, but it doesn't seem to have one [22:53] UrchLap, have you tried adding a user and putting something like 'su -c /usr/bin/startx' in rc.local? [22:53] UrchLap: jwz is very security conscious - he's not going to do that :) [22:53] rworkman: ah.... you can setup that permissions in xorg.conf [22:54] dive: yeah, I could do something like that. Right now, X is being started from /etc/rc.d/rc.5 (I defined a new runlevel) [22:54] PiterPunk: indeed :) [22:54] UrchLap: maybe look into using xlock or slock instead [22:55] rworkman: well I have the code, I can do it myself... already had to hack up one of the screen hacks to stop it showing a checkerboard in between loading images [22:55] I made a blue glmatrix :) [22:55] just to be annoying [22:55] looks nice though [22:56] actually maybe hacking needed. "mv /root/.xscreensaver /tmp ; HOME=/tmp xscreensaver" might work [22:56] er, maybe no hacking needed I mean [22:57] angrygoat (n=taylorb@63.98.56.2) left irc: "BitchX: Now available for the Gibson" [22:57] UrchLap: does it still handle unlocking correctly when run as root? [22:58] If it's dropping all privs and running as nobody:nogroup, then it can't read the shadow db. [22:58] rworkman: no, but I'm not doing locking anyway. As soon as I press a button on the remote, my cheesy little GUI script turns off the screensaver [22:59] the screensaver is there for its original purpose: to save the screen from burning in :) [22:59] ah [23:00] Shrp_ (n=without@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: [23:00] if I burn the CRT, it means spending a day in bed after breaking my back moving it to the dumpster [23:00] (seriously, the damn thing is too heavy for me to lift safely, need at least 2 people) [23:01] one day I will be able to afford a nice LCD TV or projector or something... [23:01] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:01] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:01] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:01] eh, but in order to do that I guess I should go do some actual work. Adios... [23:01] UrchLap (n=urchlay@c-24-131-55-107.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: ":wq!" [23:02] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:03] hehe [23:03] Wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:04] hey guys, I recently had to fix my lilo (cuz of windows install) was wondering if their is a better way of restoring lilo than what i did. [23:05] seriously, I just remembered it's sunday, was supposed to finish this retarded PHP stuff by monday morning [23:05] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-10-126.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] After booting with slack dvd i created a new dir, mounted my partition which had the slack install, ran chroot then lilo [23:05] That's how I always do it. [23:06] Shrp_: it's a good way. [23:06] As a matter of fact, I rsynced my entire hard drive over to a new one the other day, then did the chroot with lilo thing. [23:06] hrm.. I also came across another way which said that at the boot prompt to try -> hugesmp root=/dev/sda2 rdinit=ro [23:06] tea4me__ (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-13-53.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:07] I've never gotten root= to work properly for some reason. [23:07] sure, you can boot to the partition directly, and install lilo after. [23:07] Unless... I bet that was the initrd=no thing, or whatever that silliness is. [23:07] tea4me__ (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-10-126.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:09] yah it didnt work for me either [23:09] it rebooted first time and froze the second time.. could this be due to the fact i was on a different kernel than the hugesmp [23:09] since i used my slack 12.1 dvd [23:09] Channel flood from Shrp_ -- kicking [23:09] and i have since moved to 2.6.28 [23:09] Shrp_ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [23:09] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:09] Action: thumbs smiles [23:09] :) s [23:10] Shrp_, do you have a '/boot/vmlinuz' symlink ? [23:10] no i left that alone for backup and use vmlinuz-2.6.28 [23:10] for the newer kernel [23:10] no you don't have it, or it's there? [23:10] it's there [23:11] ah, and you left the modules for the kernel version that corresponds to vmlinuz in place? [23:11] eg..you didnt remove the moduels package for it [23:12] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [23:12] nope [23:12] they are in place too [23:12] then boot up by dvd will work fine [23:12] i didnt really remove anything for the old kernel [23:12] ok then dvd will work then [23:12] hey [23:12] it didnt :( [23:13] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:13] it's fails when people get all "special" and start changing the symlink and what not, and "freeing up" space and the like that the dvd dont work [23:13] he's trying to reinstall lilo? what's the error message you're getting? [23:14] mordy i already readded it to the mbr its just one of the ways i was trying to re-add it was not working [23:14] so i was wondering if what i did was a good/efficient way to do it [23:14] vmlinuz: symbolic link to `vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.27.7-smp' , /lib/modules/2.6.27.7-smp/ <-- those two is what I'm referring to , leave em be for happy DVD :) [23:14] :) [23:14] shrp, you're sure it's not being written to the MBR, but missing some other files? [23:15] hmm.. i don't know lilo though. only grub :D [23:17] heh I installed win7 to try it out.. i was pretty scared during the install, I was afraid my next click could be my last before the installer takes over and does what it pleases [23:18] shrp_, you always feel like that with windows :) [23:19] Shrp_, "installer takes over and does what it pleases" <-- Like ...oh... I don't know... over-write the boot record :) [23:19] exactly [23:19] :P [23:19] hahah [23:19] or "LINUX INSTALL DETECTED" [23:19] they should really call windows 7.... Vista: Part 2 "This Time We Do It Right!" [23:19] Its vista.. and they "fixed" it [23:19] "WILL BE REMOVED FOR SECURITY" [23:20] yeh it really feels like it [23:20] I have it in a VM testing it.. [23:21] I havent done much with it as I don't want to "depend" on it for anything [23:21] since I lose it in august lol [23:21] [ in bed ] :) [23:21] heh [23:21] hhaha. [23:21] the "in bed" phoenomona [23:21] News at 11 [23:21] so what, they finally figured out how dumb it is to use years or arbitrary names as version numbers, and are back to calling it "version 7"? [23:22] gzamora (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:22] Nick change: sitwon_ -> sitwon [23:22] or they are trying to compete with linux :P [23:22] Urchlay, I think they want to make sure it has nothing in 'name like' common with Vista [23:23] Atsiv [23:23] They should call it Mojave [23:23] Slackware 7: 3/4 better than Slackware 4. [23:23] Shrp_: haha yeah.. Everything is messed up.. people were "bragging" about how the windows do "this and that" and I'm on my laptop going.. "uhhh its been doing 'this and that' for about 5 years+ now..." [23:24] Shrp_: meaning people running windows 7 and me runing slamd64/slackware linux showing them the same thing [23:24] I have actually spent a total of 30 minutes with Vista [23:24] so win7 definitely is just a coat of fresh paint [23:24] i keep vista and xp in vms [23:24] and some "new" features thrown in for good measure [23:25] You have to love their aspirations for next windows...it just doesnt have to 'suck' as much as vista and everyone will buy it...man I need a "racket" like that huh. [23:25] vista, xp and a clean slackware install [23:26] the new tab system they have is neat though [23:26] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [23:27] Old_Fogie: Problem I see is.. Windows is trying to mimick linux.. the other issue with that is most Windows users thin kthe ideas that MS has are their own.. when indeed they are not. [23:28] Dominian, yea. I hope they do mimick windows in many ways, make it easier for me to convert family n friends :) [23:28] mimick linux I mean [23:28] Redmond has always had bad taste... that is why they want to copy those who do not [23:29] just woke up from nap...guzzling coffee, heh [23:29] how does one guzzle? [23:30] tea4me__ (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-10-126.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:30] drinking way fast in maniac like manner [23:30] roger :-) [23:30] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-10-126.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:30] windows mimick linux? wtf?... i dont think so.. you can find all that vista-like themes in gtk/kde-look.org ;) [23:31] Action: hba runs and hides. [23:31] hba, good point. not here tho. it's just not my thing. [23:31] winhore 7 DOES look like KDE4 [23:32] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) left irc: "leaving" [23:32] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.80.229.86) left irc: ""... de mañana oirás mi voz; De mañana me presentaré delante de ti, y esperaré."" [23:32] when did they release vista? i think it's probably one of the shortest lived windows [23:33] 2006? [23:33] everyone I know who uses windows, even people who *like* using windows, hates vista [23:33] wow.. Qt is comming out as LGPL?!? [23:33] people were scrambling to get laptops with XP just before the cutoff date [23:33] macavity, yea I was scratching my head on that too. [23:34] that is so damn nice [23:34] thank you nokia :-) [23:35] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:35] hopefully now some people will make it a bit nicer [23:35] http://kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/92909-1.jpg hahaha :) [23:35] gm152 (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:36] hey, can someone help me? i'm having some network bandwidth issues :| [23:36] for some reason vista runs much better in my laptop that xp... weird :P [23:36] don't know where to start from even. can an irq conflict be the issue? [23:36] hba, could be drivers [23:37] mordy: you need to start providing us with info... [23:37] mordy: maybe.. maybe the service-pack 3.. maybe a conspirancy of m$, who knows... [23:38] macavity, i don't know where to start from. except that i'm suspecting half duplex since my connection speeds are just over half of what i normally get [23:39] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:39] macavity; i'm getting 40Mbits on a 100Mbit connection - the other computers run at about full speed; this is when trying dd from /dev/zero to an nfs share [23:39] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:40] i've tried this with various bs= and count= values, but i get the same [23:43] r0b_ (n=r0b@pool-70-106-233-17.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:43] and there's some kind of irq conflict as well. i don't know if that's a factor :-/ [23:45] how do you gather that you have an irq confilct? [23:46] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [23:46] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:48] macavity, i don't 'gather' that i have an irq conflict, dmesg says so explicitly, and this conflict affects the irq my NIC is using [23:48] what i'm gathering is that this conflict is causing this somehow :P [23:48] yenta_cardbus 0000:00:03.0: IRQ routing conflict: have IRQ 10, want IRQ 11 [23:49] IRQ 10 is what my nic is using, it's a pc card, and attached to the yenta slot [23:49] pcmcia always sucked.. [23:50] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejn127.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [23:50] this is beyond me [23:50] you may be able to load some modules with explicit irq settings and get around it [23:50] mordy, are you using /etc/rc.d/rc.pcmcia? (i.e. is it executable?) [23:50] but i dont have the slightest idea about where to start looking [23:51] and yeah, i think macavity has something: try seeing if you can specify irq [23:52] twinreverb, yeah [23:52] hmm... how would i do that though... [23:52] but would it affect my network speed? [23:53] could be something in the kernel though. i tried this with a custom kernel and din't get that conflict [23:53] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:53] (That kernel has other problems though, but so i need to recompile, but that will take much longer because the crappy network connection - vicious cycle) [23:54] renew02 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-154-70.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] KidpunkX (n=masterx8@97.104.48.72) joined ##slackware. [23:54] mordy, I believe it's this setting here that I use..# CONFIG_IRQBALANCE is not set , but Mr. V must have a reason to not have it on tho. But linux kernel has that as 'y' for default. ymmv I guess. works here on one box fine, had an 'irq' conflict. [23:54] renew01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-154-70.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:55] I use that as 'y' in kernel config, then rebuilt [23:55] my nic isnt pcmcia tho [23:55] ewl (n=ewl@pool-70-19-191-160.bos.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:55] but the fact that your grabbing 11 means to me your bios is handling it all, not the kernel. 9 and 11 are usually the fallover irqs [23:56] for bios managed onl [23:56] oh yes.. i completely forgot about that one [23:56] chopp: hows the firewall doing? [23:56] its been so long since i ran a Pat V kernel :P [23:57] but I doubt the conflict is making your nic 'slower' ; if you had an irq conflict, if anything your pcmcia would drop off, you'd see messages for your eth0 for example dropping in and out repeteadly [23:57] or you'd just lock up [23:57] hmm... let me see [23:57] mordy, try with rc.pcmcia off (not executable) if this is slackware 12.2 [23:57] i think i read that sometimes rc.pcmcia and udev "argue" over devices [23:57] Old_Fogie: actually no, ive seen irq hickups cause dma to stop working.. but everything else went fine [23:57] but i've never experienced this personally so all i have is a guess [23:57] hmm... let me try this again... [23:58] Old_Fogie: that does tend to slow down the device though :P [23:58] old_fogie,t hat's what i thought as well... that it would just stop the device completely [23:59] how do i check my current kernel confic? [23:59] g [23:59] grep away [23:59] i mean where do i find it? [23:59] zcat /proc/config.gz > configfile [23:59] ahhh [23:59] cool [23:59] or in /boot/config-generic-smp-* [00:00] --- Mon Jan 19 2009