[00:00] THE FOLLOWING TAKES PLACE BETWEEN 4:00 PM AND 5:00 PM, 24 HAS BEGUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [00:00] Action: jeev is afk [00:00] yeah, and if I kill my OSS-using app, ALSA apps can share the sound card Just Fine. So WTF? [00:01] whether or not OSS emulation can share with native ALSA apps is actually controlled by the hardware/driver? [00:01] guys, are there beta kde packages floating around? [00:01] (cause as far as I can tell, that's the only difference) [00:03] iKay (n=iKay@94.23.154.15) joined ##slackware. [00:03] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [00:03] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:07] Urchlay, this might help http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards#Example_commands_and_options_for_selecting_sound_cards: [00:11] clear [00:12] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. 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[00:21] killall X [00:22] init 3 [00:22] thank you [00:22] Now to figure out why I couldn't kill my screensaver [00:22] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:22] My keyboard and mouse disconnected [00:22] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-235-27.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:23] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [00:25] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-235-27.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:25] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-235-27.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [00:29] macavity_ (n=macavity@212088073003.static.sonofon.dk) joined ##slackware. [00:29] does anyone know why kwin goes ballistic when i use mplayerplug-in? [00:29] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:29] macavity (n=macavity@212088073002.static.sonofon.dk) left irc: Nick collision from services. [00:30] Nick change: macavity_ -> macavity [00:30] it doesnt do that when i use mplayer or xine directly [00:30] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [00:30] and it happens in both konqueror and firefox [00:30] komentarze_listy (n=komentar@unaffiliated/komentarze) left irc: "leaving" [00:33] Organizm (n=lane@c-69-243-237-89.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [00:35] Organizm (n=lane@c-69-243-237-89.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:39] BeZerk (n=MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk) joined ##slackware. [00:41] how cool is the intel i7? [00:41] MLanden: yeah, I found the same stuff. So far nothing seems to be helping... [00:43] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("Bored by the chore of saving face."). [00:43] and the multiple-cards example doesn't really apply, cause the module for the other card isn't loaded (I suppose it will be on my next reboot, unless I blacklist it) [00:44] Urchlay, is the other card disabled in bios (or is there no control)? [00:44] free_fox (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:44] alreadygone (i=1000@59.103.214.20) joined ##slackware. [00:45] I didn't look at the bios. Not sure why it matters, if the module's not loaded (I suppose it's still sharing an IRQ with whatever, but I'm not having the kinds of problems you get from IRQ conflicts) [00:45] BeZerk (n=MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:45] Urchlay, ok [00:46] lemme check something real quick [00:47] BeZerk (n=MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk) joined ##slackware. [00:48] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:48] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [00:49] yep. "rmmod snd_ca0106 ; modprobe snd_via82xx", after that, OSS apps can share the card with ALSA apps (both vbox and mplayer make sound at the same time) [00:49] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [00:49] sQuEE (n=narya@host131.190-30-14.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:50] (obviously I had to move the speaker cable to the via's output jack, and unmute/turn up the volumes) [00:50] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:50] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:51] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:52] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [00:53] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [00:53] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [00:55] I believe that ca0106 card tomorrow shall return to the retail hell from whence it came [00:56] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:56] hey, can i ask has any one got slack running in xen domU pv? [00:56] and to anyone paying attention: do not waste your money buying a "soundblaster audigy SE" for use with Linux. It's barely supported (does not work with JACK, does not properly work with OSS emul) [00:56] BeZerk (n=MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:56] What's the commandline to rename the XFCE Terminal tab? [00:57] BeZerk (n=MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk) joined ##slackware. [00:58] Urchlay, shame it isn't EMU10K1 compatible [00:58] MLanden: I bought it thinking it was an emu10k1 [00:59] iKay: I have slackware running on a xen instance, but don't ask me how that is set up .. I leave that up to my VPS provider [00:59] that was after spending a fruitless 2 hours digging thru my storage space looking for my old emu10k1 cards (I had 2 of them at one time, no idea where they disappeared to) [00:59] ... i'm hoping that i will be able to find a pxeboot kernel or something along those lines [01:00] is OK, got receipt, will swap for one each of the cheaper model PCI cards they had. One or the other might work well enough to record a single mono input in JACK without over/underruns [01:00] iKay: private xen setup or with a sen provifer? [01:00] I am the VDS provider [01:00] so yeah private setup [01:01] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-177-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:01] if not, eh, get up early enough that I can make it to the crappy used-computer store and dig thru the parts bin. Bet I can find a emu10k1 for $5 [01:01] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [01:01] Urchlay, good luck...hopefully,you can score a sweet one..:) [01:02] if I had $100 to spend, I'd get a proper pro audio interface (an M-Audio maybe). PCI ones are considered obsolete, so they're going cheap. [01:03] iKay: ah okay , sorry can't really hel you there :) [01:03] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:04] it's ok ... seems i have found what i'm looking for, at least some thing to play with ... [01:04] just wanted to check with people in here in case any one was like "yeah i've done it loads of times..." [01:04] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:04] I could swap the audigy for a USB sound "card", but I doubt a consumer USB audio interface would work real well (dropouts and/or massive latency) [01:05] would be overtaxing one [01:06] hell even pro grade usb audio interfaces have the odd drop out [01:06] shouldn't be. Just recording one instrument... I only got 2 hands, can't play 2 guitars at once [01:06] iKay: really? I kinda expected that to be the case, but I've got no experience with them [01:07] I have a Native Instruments Audio 4 DJ and an Audio 8 DJ, used them on Windows + Mac.... when i set latency to 1-3ms there is the odd drop out, but only initially, the audio stream holds up fine thereon [01:07] they are designed for extremely low latency use so i guess if they will still drop out there's no hope [01:07] the guy at guitar center (typical pushy sales weasel) tells me to use firewire... but their cheapest firewire interface is $400, plus I'd actually have to buy a firewire card for this old motherboard [01:08] firewire...as in firewire 400? that's technically slower than the throughput usb 2.0 can achieve... firewire 800 i could understand though [01:08] I dunno. Apparently most USB interfaces are USB 1.1 [01:09] giuppy (n=giuppy@host25-126-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [01:09] which is what, 11Mbit/sec? should be fine for CD-quality mono audio, except for latency [01:09] dunno how i could check on mac os x, but i'm pretty sure this -requires- usb 2.0 [01:10] well i'm using 4 channels (or 8 channels) at 96kHz, 24-bit, 1-3ms latency [01:10] quite tired so not sure my maths is up to working out that lol [01:11] http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/dj/audio-4-dj/ <--- this one? the page doesn't seem to say whether it requires USB 2 or not [01:11] it says on the box [01:11] "USB 2.0 bus powered" [01:11] but i dunno how much of that is just branding [01:12] Audio 4 DJ: [01:12] Speed: Up to 480 Mb/sec [01:12] atomfox (n=atomfox@120.28.152.39) joined ##slackware. [01:12] eh, if it's bus powered, that might be the only reason it needs USB 2.0 (IIRC the 2.0 spec calls for more power available per port than 1.1 had) [01:12] well hardware profiler in os x reports it is usb 2.0 [01:12] take care,folks...talk with all later [01:13] nite MLanden [01:13] night,Urchlay..again good luck [01:13] iKay: the product page appears not to have a price tag either, but I'm betting it's outside my budget (I'm a musician, what budget?!) [01:13] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-70-18-153-77.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:14] the audio 4 dj is £190 [01:14] the audio 8 dj is £280 or there abouts [01:14] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:14] £ are bigger than $ still, aren't they? [01:14] yeah [01:14] 190 British pounds = 309.87100 U.S. dollars [01:14] 280 British pounds = 456.65200 U.S. dollars [01:15] $190, I couldn't afford any time soon. £190 is probably never going to happen (hell, my car only cost $300) [01:15] thing is, they are designed for live mixing where low latency is a necessity not just nice, for musicians you probably wouldn't need such a low latency [01:15] assuming the card syncs all the channels clocks, they should all be in sync whatever the latency [01:16] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: "leaving" [01:16] atomfox (n=atomfox@120.28.152.39) left irc: Client Quit [01:16] depends on how smart the software is, I guess. I'm layering 3 or 4 guitar/bass tracks on top of (fake) drums, need to hear the existing tracks while I play the later ones [01:17] ahh yeah [01:17] if your software is clever [01:17] it will work out the input latency [01:17] and allow for compensation on the output [01:17] pupiteee (n=p@109.93.172.234) joined ##slackware. [01:17] it's ardour, I dunno if that means it's clever or not :) [01:17] i take it it's open source? [01:17] yah [01:17] i have zero experience with open source recording/audio apps [01:17] other than vlc... [01:17] vlc wouldn't be real useful for this :) [01:18] as far as the whole open source thing goes, i've never used it past servers, and i doubt i would. [01:18] i like my pretty BSD, os x [01:18] not got time to mess about with config and building my own system when it comes to work haha [01:18] well, my choices are currently... use open source (or at least free-of-cost) software, or steal commercial software, or use no software at all and just forget about it [01:19] i whole heartedly recommend option 2 [01:19] eh, and there's no commercial audio recording (DAW) stuff for Linux, and I won't use Windows for various reasons [01:19] i won't use windows any more and wouldn't expect any one in a linux chan to :) [01:19] but there is always os x [01:19] efi hack, no mac required [01:19] possibly. Maybe if I had a newer machine... [01:20] or if only I still had my dual G5 ppc64 tower :( [01:20] g5 ppc64 mmm [01:20] shame apple never coded anything to actually use the 64 bit capabilities [01:20] except finder etc lol [01:20] back then I had more money than sense (now I got neither), paid $2500 retail for it, just for a toy to play with [01:21] i got the early 2009 unibody mac book pro 17 inch, cost me £2500 lol [01:21] then a month or two after it came out, having pre-ordered it for silly prices, they dropped it to around £2100 [01:21] later on, had to sell it, to fund my various addictive habits [01:21] food, shelter, running water... [01:21] haha i hear you [01:22] oh that's a lot more legitimate than any of my addictive habbits [01:22] I just can't get enough oxygen! My lungs keep breathing it in, no matter how hard I try to stop! [01:23] Bl0tt0 (n=Bl0tt0@24-148-91-219.c3-0.stk-ubr1.chi-stk.il.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [01:23] Bl0tt0 (n=Bl0tt0@24-148-91-219.c3-0.stk-ubr1.chi-stk.il.cable.rcn.com) left ##slackware ("Ch'ab'ej chik"). [01:23] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:24] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:24] haha at least we don't have to pay for it, yet [01:24] whoa, I just found a craigslist post: M Audio USB Recording interface - $1 [01:24] heh i'd get that [01:25] the guy actually wants to trade for effect pedals, not sell... [01:25] bah [01:25] related note, I found my ancient MXR analog delay pedal the other day... sadly, it doesn't seem to work [01:27] guys, do you maybe know where synergy.conf should be? [01:27] know* [01:28] i have installed it on both pc-s, but im stuck now... [01:28] I don' even know what synergy is [01:28] ./etc or /etc/synergy? [01:28] but apparently I don't have it installed [01:29] it lets you use one keyboard and mouse on multiple pcs [01:29] yeah... [01:29] works over TCP/IP [01:29] quite nuts [01:29] i want to try it out... [01:29] iKay: i'll ty it ;) [01:30] @pupiteee: you can, of course, launch synergy and provide it with the config file at runtime like so.... [01:30] synergys -f --config /path/to/synergy.conf [01:30] ahaaaaaa [01:30] slackwarebob (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-228-177.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:31] Urchlay: do you know any drug that causes brains to *not* hurt when you read hexdumps?!? [01:31] never thought of that! thanks iKay [01:31] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-71-62-151-44.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [01:31] macavity: no, but enough caffeine might keep you from noticing how bad your head hurts [01:32] Action: macavity finds a hyperdermic needle [01:32] macavity: why do you read hexdumps? [01:32] whats the optimal temerature for injesting coffee intravenously? [01:32] Action: iKay somehow doubts any of the pharmaceutical companies will advertise that issue :P [01:32] pupiteee: ideas... "man synergy" might tell you where it looks for the conf file. If not, maybe: strace -eopen synergy &> strace.out ; fgrep synergy.conf strace.out [01:32] pupiteee: because i am trying to figure out how to unlock the flash chip/embedded controler on my motherboard [01:32] injecting coffee... well blood temperature is 41F [01:33] macavity: just don't inject cream or sugar with it [01:33] 41F? Crap, he's a V [01:33] Urchlay: thank you too :) [01:33] eeew! i would never do that to a perfectly good cup of coffee in the first place! :P [01:33] sorry [01:33] 41C :P [01:34] i dont have a fever, thank you very much [01:34] aw, I was all set for you to peel off your human skin [01:34] i think ill stick with my perfectly good 37.5C [01:34] that will be your body temperature, no? [01:35] blood temperature and body temperature differ.... [01:35] Action: macavity googles [01:35] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [01:36] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-235-27.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:36] got it going [01:37] wrong channel [01:37] Action: diven runs away [01:37] heh [01:37] wow.. ill be damned [01:37] macavity: your veins are turning brown? [01:37] giuppy (n=giuppy@host25-126-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:38] lol [01:38] macavity: why are you doing that unlocking, if i may ask? [01:39] macavity: u can eat chocolate and exercise a bit... [01:39] giuppy (n=giuppy@host25-126-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [01:40] Urchlay: no.. my skin is so tough the needle broke [01:40] hey macrodiagonal|pinochle [01:41] err Urchlay [01:41] pupiteee: because i want to run coreboot on this system instead of the proprietary crap bios it is born with [01:41] pupiteee: among other things so i can actually get to control the fan manually [01:41] hey, outperforms|apologetically [01:41] pupiteee: or use the IR port [01:41] errr, you|know [01:41] lol, that was a good one [01:42] macavity: and i thought, you must be some electronics engineer [01:42] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "Bored by the chore of saving face." [01:42] macavity: linux journal has a core-boot review/guide a few months ago. i foget the issue [01:42] s/has/had [01:42] pupiteee: what he's doing is still software engineering (or anyway software reverse-engineering) [01:43] Rat409: i am working with upstream on this one.. those guys are pretty hardcore.. and *very* willing to teach newbs in the field [01:43] hey Rat409, how's it going? [01:43] that's so over my head haha [01:43] good luck with that macavity [01:43] Agiofws (n=nAgiofws@athedsl-423037.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [01:43] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Excess Flood [01:43] Urchlay: i know , i just thought he is good in re-programming and has that sort of tools... [01:44] macavity: sweet! [01:44] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [01:44] fire|bird: pretty good thanks,yourself? [01:44] Rat409: great, thank you. :) [01:45] Agiofws (n=nnAgiofw@athedsl-423037.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:45] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.243) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:45] iKay: it's over my head too.. but since i know C, shell scripting, svn/git, toolchain options etc, and have shown that i much all the documentation they throw at me, they have treated me like a VIP [01:45] clearly dedicated to it, macavity, i'm just getting in to C myself [01:46] Rat409: been messing with anything new lately? [01:46] iKay: i will give you the standard advice: there is ONE way to do this if you want to get good at it [01:46] iKay: start with "The C Programming Language, 2nd Ed", and then procede to "Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment, 2nd Ed" [01:47] mmm, yeah [01:47] only weather in pekwm root-menu,hacked a borrowed forum weather script [01:47] i have "The C Programming Language 2nd Ed" actually :) [01:47] Rat409: cool, so weather info shows right in the menu? [01:47] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.75.135) left irc: Connection timed out [01:47] made a screenie earlier,works in openbox also i think. [01:47] but i started with 'Learn C on the Mac' as it covers x-code dev environment and mac specific stuff that differs to the code examples in the c books [01:47] blargh, you people spend so much time & effort on software to tell the weather? just look out the window! [01:48] iKay: get to it.. do all the exercises (except the few crappy ones in the beginning that are for people who already knows other languages (especially the one about writing a parser)) [01:48] iKay: it only teaches you the lanuage.. it doesnt teach you how to program.. that is what you learn from the seccond book [01:48] fire|bird: this one http://omploader.org/vM2E1MA [01:48] (eh, you *do* know I'm talking about a hole in the wall, with glass in it, not something on your desktop, right?) [01:49] sounds good, ideally i want to progress to objective-c fairly quickly after gaining a firm grasp of c [01:49] iKay: i cant speak enough against that.. unless you start reading code written by the best of the best righ after you learn the syntax you will end up writing ugly spaghetty code.... [01:49] fire|bird: not complete,but useable [01:49] Rat409: cool, looks nice. [01:49] iKay: "a firm grasp of c" is a very big statement :P [01:49] iKay: it can be as hard as you make it.. C is actually just "assembler markup language" [01:49] i should have said 'a firm grasp of the basics of c' [01:50] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.107.212) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:50] hrrr, objective-c seems odd to me [01:50] fire|bird: gotta love foss and forums :) [01:50] Rat409: indeed. [01:50] objective-c has limited scope.. but your call [01:50] Woah, woah. libiphone [01:50] i need to learn objective-c if i'm to progress to cocoa [01:50] I love learning about new software via sbopkg rsync updates :D [01:50] indeed :) [01:50] iKay: why target a proprietary platform?!? [01:50] iKay: the #1 advice I can give you: don't let yourself get locked into vendor proprietary stuff [01:50] Urchlay++ [01:51] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-53.dial.telus.net) left irc: No route to host [01:51] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.109.52) joined ##slackware. [01:51] I mean, write code for proprietary platforms to pay the bills, but don't let your way of thinking revolve around it [01:51] C++ -> Qt if you want to go platform independant [01:51] why target a proprietary platform? because it's the platform i use all day every day, and right now i want to code for me, not for someone else [01:51] the above still applies [01:51] plus i wouldn't just leave C [01:51] for linux servers i would enjoy coding that [01:51] c++....not really looked in to it [01:52] it is a much bigger language with much better support [01:52] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.57.224) joined ##slackware. [01:52] not to mention, much better compilers [01:52] "right now" is relative though. When you're still learning, in the embryonic phase, you can't really code useful apps for yourself or anybody else at first... but the stuff you learn now will become instinctive later [01:53] yeah, well i am already defining my writing style so to speak, i'm very obsessive compulsive about presentation, so my code is normally very neat [01:53] ill give you that C++ is a little ugly compared to objective-c.. but it is MUCH more powerfull [01:53] at least you're not learning something horrid like Visual Basic (or Commodore 64 Basic) as your first language [01:53] php was my first language [01:53] well html [01:53] if you count that [01:53] iKay: comment it like you were teaching a programming class.. it pays of in the long run (trust me) [01:53] yeah i do that [01:54] a few friends commented that i use far too many comments the other day haha [01:54] ah, if you know php, then C++ will feel very natural once you know C [01:54] i was like if you had my memory you would know why [01:54] html's not really a language, php is, and it's not such a bad choice for a first language (except it tends to make people forget any other kind of app exists other than web apps) [01:54] indeed [01:54] i've coded bash too [01:54] iKay: tell them to write a complicated program... put it in a safe and take it out in two years [01:54] don't comment anything obvious. it's not necessary to put "set variable x to 'some_value'" [01:54] ...the only apps I write are webapps [01:54] iKay: if they take more than an hour to get up to speed with it, then they failed at commenting [01:54] i should try writing something else [01:54] bash is a necessary evil. Its syntax is awful, but everybody uses it anyway :) [01:55] well i used bash to prototype some ideas [01:55] that i want to turn in to c [01:55] hey...I like bash =P [01:55] don't bash ze bash [01:55] it has it's limitations but it's not bad [01:55] feinom: some people speak against commetning obvious stuff.. i *always* comment stuff like "the +1 is because strlen() doenst count the \0" [01:56] redtricycle: I hate warts like... 'VARIABLE=value' works, 'VARIABLE = value' doesn't... but 'if [ $VARIABLE=value ]' doesn't work either (has to be spaces around the = sign) [01:56] feinom: as it is that kind of gotchas that leads to memory corruption and elusive bugs [01:56] Urchlay: nod, agreed. [01:57] Urchlay: honnestly, i think bash code is the oposite of perl [01:57] ikar (n=ikar@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [01:57] Urchlay: bash code is *read* only, and perl is *write* only [01:57] macavity: what I meant is that it's not good to just repeat the code in english. Saying _why_ something is done is good :) [01:57] eh? I read & write both... both can be really hideous though [01:57] people who can do even the most modest amount of programming in *anything* can read shell scripts :P [01:57] (they don't *have* to be) [01:57] why do you think it hangs when i do mount /dev/cdrom ? [01:58] feinom: obviously [01:58] i just comment logic usually [01:58] and make it simple even to read after 48 hours awake, sleep deprived, pumped on caffeine [01:58] iKay: also comment if some family of calls dont behave exactly like each other [01:58] good [01:59] Urchlay: Perl code is like your own child, even when its ugly its beautiful ;) [01:59] hahaha [01:59] haha...nice [01:59] lol [02:00] my favorite comment ever has to be the one I put in the top of the servlet template file at my old job. It started out as something like '// Author: ', later became '// Author: *** Change this to YOUR NAME ***', later on '// TIM IS AN IDIOT' [02:00] Organizm (n=lane@c-69-243-237-89.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:00] lolol [02:00] :P [02:00] I had once is some script the comment "## Thread carefully .. THERE BE DRAGONS HERE!" [02:01] (that last was to see if he was even paying attention, it stayed that way in CVS forever, and all Tim's new classes contained a comment saying TIM IS AN IDIOT) [02:01] heh :P [02:01] I got a call three months later from my boss what the heck that comment was supposed to mean. ;) [02:01] though the whole idea of writing java classes by basing them all on a template seemed kinda broken to me [02:01] I mean, ain't that what inheritance is for? [02:02] in C++ templates (when not abused) is a pre frakking powerfull feature [02:03] ikar (n=ikar@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) left irc: Client Quit [02:03] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:04] heya nyRednek :-) [02:04] macavity: hey, howzit [02:04] i'm in the planning stages of bringing a smaller, slower machine up [02:04] i am taking a well deserved break after 2x18 hours hacking sessions [02:04] macavity: cool...rest on, man [02:04] eh, I didn't mean the language feature called templates (which I think Java didn't even have back then, but has since grown). I meant there was a file called ServletTemplate.java, and any time someone needed to write a servlet, they'd cp it to MyNewServlet.java or whatever, then start editing [02:05] i am not going to do anything but sit here and drink coffee and smoke cigarettes and do idle chatter untill my head starts cooporating again :P [02:05] macavity: understood [02:06] "and suddenly it was 8:00PM" [02:06] macavity: i'm thinking of bringing an old(celeron) machine up...it has a 3g hd...its network card doesn't support pxe [02:06] is it a 3com? [02:06] macavity: intel [02:07] aww [02:07] flashrom supports using 3com net cards as EEPROM programmers [02:07] macavity: i'm thinking to install the first cd on it, then nfs mount /opt /usr /home [02:07] which is smokingly cool if you ask me :P [02:07] BP{k}: or 8:00AM [02:08] nyRednek: that sounds like a plan [02:08] Urchlay: You mean 08:00AM on a Tuesday right? [02:08] that's pretty crazy macavity [02:08] BP{k}: dont go into contry and western dammit! [02:08] macavity: I wish it supported EEPROMs small enough to be plug-in replacements for the ROM chips in my old Ataris [02:08] BP{k}: well yeah... except I would refuse to admit it was Tuesday until I'd been to sleep [02:08] @macavity: how did you get in to programming chips? it's something i've always been interested in but don't know where to start really. [02:09] macavity: hoping that it will allow me to access X and the /opt apps installed on the nfs export [02:09] Urchlay: you can get a regular USB/paralell programmer for that [02:09] macavity: yah, I got one (actually it's old enough that it's RS232) [02:10] also the obligatory UV eraser [02:10] iKay: oh, i just ran into the problem that i freaking loath prorietary software.. so when i learned that coreboot now has support for both my northbrige (i945) and sourhbridge (80201G) i wanted to try it.. but found out that the superIO/EC i have is not supported yet [02:11] iKay: so, i obtained the data sheet for said EC and starte hacking... only to learn that Intel have done their very best to lock me out of it [02:11] (my BIOS is a "Verified by Intel" BIOS) [02:11] ahh [02:11] Urchlay: EEPROM doesnt need UV erasers these days [02:12] Urchlay: and if you buy the cheep shit that does need it, just put it at the panel by the windows for two days [02:12] Urchlay: yeah, UV eraser is EPROM [02:12] ^kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30CA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Client Quit [02:12] EEPROM can be erased by software [02:12] though it is slooow [02:12] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.57.224) left irc: "Leaving" [02:13] mquin (i=mike@freenode/staff/mquin) joined ##slackware. [02:13] joeyt (n=joey@gware/developer/joeyt) joined ##slackware. [02:14] isnt it funny.. for every peice of software i *cant* get replaced fith something free, the more i feel stepped on by the proprietary version i have [02:14] *with [02:14] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [02:15] if most of the free alternatives had better UIs i might be tempted to use them [02:16] i use the command line most the time anyhow.. it is much much faster than any UI [02:16] that is, if one happens to have bothered to learn touch typing :P [02:17] i've been able to touch type for over 1/2 my life :P [02:17] then why the **** do you bother with a Mac?!? ;-) [02:17] because in my 'old age' i have less time to paly [02:17] *play [02:17] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:17] more time to use my pc and make sure it works [02:17] it's better than my other alternative, windows [02:18] Anyone played with vlc Desktop streaming much? [02:18] i tried it the other day, was an epic fail [02:18] couldn't get connected to anything over the internet [02:18] I'm streaming mine right now [02:18] i'd imagine that locally it would work [02:18] does VLC support UPnP? [02:18] dunno [02:19] if not that would be tripplefail [02:19] i was streaming from an un-firewalled windows server trying to connect from home, so don't think it would need UPnP [02:22] that depends on the cable-modems/routers involved [02:22] btw, speaking of fail: http://failblog.org/2010/01/17/bathing-suit-fail/ [02:22] well the windows server is in a datacenter [02:22] so it's just a publicly routed ip [02:22] macavity: naw, I was talking about old-style EPROMs, I have (or had) a ton of 'em [02:22] Urchlay: actually i think you can get UV LEDs now adays [02:22] found some EEPROMs that I thought might work, but nothing to program them with [02:22] probably [02:23] lol! @ bathing suit fail [02:23] that would be a cheep solution [02:23] iKay: i bet she felt haaawt when she desided to pick that one in the closet :P [02:23] lol! [02:23] try this with vlc http://antiwire.net:8080 [02:24] I knew a guy who used to buy "one-time programmable" parts (PIC + some built in EPROM), he discovered he could sand or maybe cut the top of the chip carrier off and expose the innards of it, suddenly it was UV-erasable [02:24] not working [02:24] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:25] it works over my lan and I have the correct ports forwarded [02:25] if i click the link my browser wants to download it and doesn't claim to know the length or size of the file (as it should, it's a live data stream), but vlc just sticks at 00:00 but claims it's playing never states it can't connect [02:26] let it sit for a while [02:26] i just called "mplayer http://antiwire.net:8080" on it.. still buffering i think [02:26] yay.. play! [02:26] is it working? [02:26] not for me [02:26] in vlc [02:26] antiwire: awesome!! [02:26] hahah [02:27] nice [02:27] ok, this is freaking cool [02:27] hmmm [02:27] Now when I type, you can watch what i type...when I type it [02:27] yes [02:27] i'm thinking quite the opposite lol, this means i have a problem my end [02:27] not server end [02:27] it is about 20 secs delay due to cacheing [02:27] yeah [02:28] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-235-27.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:28] hm. mplayer's just sitting there (it got past the "cache fill" part already) [02:28] I set the cache size to 32Kbyte anyway [02:28] i'll set up a stream on my 100mbit box, see if it works for any of u guys, it dont for me [02:28] antiwire: showoff! :P [02:28] oh, wait, it woke up I think... [02:29] This will probably rape my connection quickly [02:29] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:29] antiwire: oh, you thinks so :P [02:29] ienh (n=ienh@rennes.elikya.com) joined ##slackware. [02:29] antiwire: i think we are down to as litle as 6-7 secs delay [02:29] yeah [02:29] antiwire: even i have tried... [02:29] oh, less [02:29] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [02:29] when setting VLC up to stream over HTTP [02:30] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [02:30] the 'address' is the servers ip address yeah [02:30] oh hell, you're about to "mplayer localhost:8080" and get a really slow hall-of-mirrors effect... [02:30] I used my internal lan ip there [02:30] Urchlay: lol [02:30] i don't have an internal ip so i'll put external ip [02:30] then make sure you specify the port when you go to make the client connect [02:30] did u tick stream all elementary streams, keep stream output open or sap announce? [02:30] ip:port [02:30] no [02:31] right ok [02:31] let me get this started [02:31] iKay: no NAT at all? [02:31] no [02:31] my server is in a datacenter [02:31] we could get all tripping if we all start this and look at it at the same time [02:31] ok [02:31] http://213.186.58.173:8080 [02:31] eek.. that should get a windows box raped right away [02:31] 213.186.58.173, hack away :) [02:31] no important data there, it's just a seedbox [02:32] hay! [02:32] haha [02:32] whoops, it EOF'ed [02:32] my important servers are ssh'd with keys [02:32] antiwire: where id my nice video go? [02:32] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-235-27.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:32] I'm trying to connect to iKay now [02:32] antiwire: and.. when do you start broadcasting pron?!? [02:32] i'm thinking... [02:32] maybe the p4 3ghz can't handle transcoding 720p [02:33] its not complaining tho [02:33] define "complaining"... no smoke curling out from the vents yet? :) [02:33] i wouldn't know :p [02:33] server provider claim it's water cooled...so i would hope not [02:33] iKay: No suitable decoder module [02:33] that's the error i get here [02:33] ok i got that too [02:33] let me try a different format, i've never got that far before [02:33] in that case, s/smoke/steam/ I guess [02:34] steam haha [02:34] does that ever happen with water cooling? [02:34] doubt it [02:34] ooh i have audio now [02:34] I mean, yes, if you spring a leak, but if that happens you're dead [02:34] but no vide [02:34] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [02:34] macavity: was there audio feed too? [02:35] it's under pressure like a car radiator, think that means it won't boil [02:35] antiwire: nope [02:35] I want to stream my desktop and feed my MIC output now [02:35] this reminds me of when I first got a web cam [02:35] haha [02:35] :) [02:36] for about 3 days it was fun to make everyone watch me sit and type to them on IRC [02:36] i got it working now! but transcoded quality absolutely sucks [02:36] source looks gr8 [02:36] heh it wouldnt be hard to use VLC as a backend for a skype replacement [02:36] macavity: how? [02:36] iKay: hahaha [02:37] you killed it! [02:37] joeyt (n=joey@gware/developer/joeyt) left irc: "leaving" [02:37] all you need is a man-in-the-middle for firewall peircing [02:37] aaah.. [02:37] ok video was set to 200kb/s that might be why it sucked [02:37] iKay: whats the ip? [02:38] http://213.186.58.173:8080 [02:38] now streaming a 1088kbps stream [02:38] if I had a web cam hooked up, you could all be watching me eat a sandwich for the next few minutes. Think of all the fun you're missing out on... [02:38] haha it's not handling it too well [02:38] it's hurting [02:38] trying to force process to use more cpu [02:38] heh its at 100% [02:39] p4 = fail [02:39] "Scotty, we need more power!" [02:39] :) [02:39] I'll stream a freaking dvd right nowe [02:39] ok, it died here :P [02:39] ok trying it nw without transcoding [02:39] dunno how this will work [02:39] iKay: it says TS format.. [02:39] ooh looks gr8 [02:39] that is immense! [02:39] TS_PARSE: COULDN'T SYNC [02:39] but i got sound though [02:39] for the split seccond it was there [02:40] it's xvid [02:40] sorry [02:40] mpeg-4 video [02:40] matroska video container [02:40] mpeg4 with h264 == xvid/divx [02:40] that stream is perfect! [02:40] skips on my end quite a bit [02:40] hmm not on min [02:40] i see!! haha [02:40] *mine [02:41] rad [02:41] but i'm connected to a vpn linking in to my dc [02:41] well my downstream is maxed out, probly I just don't have a fat enough pipe [02:41] well its a 800kbps stream or so [02:41] so you (or your TV tuner anyway) are in the Atlanta area, hm? [02:41] my box is putting out a fair bit of traffic [02:41] this is from the scene [02:41] "the scene"? [02:42] and this vlc, its whats on the desktop in the moment? [02:42] no [02:42] my vlc is coming from a file [02:42] ok, the video and audio goes out of sync here [02:42] hmm [02:43] it seems to work for me on my mac [02:43] not much.. like a sec or so [02:43] it wouldnt before tho [02:43] try mine again antiwire.net:8080 [02:43] maybe its just my crappy gprs dialup [02:43] probably :p [02:43] im on 20mbit/s [02:43] this is a dvd stream test [02:43] i see some bus driver and some bloody kid... nice desktop [02:43] :p [02:43] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [02:43] antiwire yours is timing out big time [02:44] eh, yeah, I'm on what's supposed to be 1.5Mbit/sec, but usually isn't [02:44] what country u in? [02:44] us [02:44] ahh i'm surfing through EU vpn [02:44] probably why it's sucking [02:44] Morning [02:44] Action: pupiteee serbia [02:44] hows things around these part? [02:44] im in Denmark.. and antiwire's work fine.. though it caches for quite some time before anything happens [02:45] that's probably it [02:45] i'm impatient [02:45] ok, Indiana Jones is skippy [02:45] so http is best to use? [02:45] now i got no sound iKay [02:45] just changing to udp [02:45] gonna try that [02:45] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:46] antiwire: EOF :P [02:46] try again [02:46] 6810 asimpson 40 0 243m 120m 36m S 140 6.0 17:03.35 vlc [02:46] lol [02:46] The-spiki (n=spiki@77-105-33-215.dialup.sezampro.yu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:46] mayhem [02:48] hmm vlc doesn't work nice at 720p res [02:48] i dont think you can blame that on vlc ;-) [02:48] Get Biggar Ironz(TM) [02:48] well i should be able to, i know i can stream better bitrates than this [02:48] it's heavy on the cpu [02:48] only using 15% cpu [02:49] since im not transcoding [02:49] antiwire: smooth and in sync [02:49] macavity: it was? [02:49] i think i need to use udp not tcp [02:49] no.. now it starts skipping [02:49] haha [02:49] Now I want some fat pipe [02:49] http://94.23.154.15/~iain/traffic.php :P mine [02:50] antiwire: i suck down at 55kB/s [02:50] wow.. more [02:50] close to 90 [02:50] is it still playing? [02:50] iKay_ (n=iKay@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust931.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [02:51] iKay_ (n=iKay@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust931.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:51] iKay (n=iKay@94.23.154.15) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:51] yes.. but it was skipping like hell [02:51] iKay (n=iKay@94.23.154.15) joined ##slackware. [02:51] what traffic is that guys? web, upload, download...etc [02:51] even at close to 100kB/s [02:51] my cpu is pinned [02:51] the traffic at the URL? [02:51] it might not be the pipes but cpu [02:52] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [02:52] antiwire: is that your new laptop? [02:52] yeah [02:52] packeteer (n=zed@203.36.227.227) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:52] that's all file sharing [02:52] T7200 or what was it? [02:52] T7100 2GB 320GB [02:53] I think I'm going to swap it out for a T7400 soon [02:53] didymo (n=ashley@131.203.102.171) joined ##slackware. [02:53] then you get spec'ed like mine :P [02:54] though, gettin low latency RAM is really the biggie on laptops [02:54] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:54] ... and 7200RPM drives :P [02:54] my disk is certainly up to par [02:54] i got ddr3 ram in my laptop [02:54] it seems to do the job nicely [02:54] http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/products/download.html?product=firefox-3.5.7&os=win&lang=el <-- trying to download ff from here and i get file is corrupt, does that happen elsewhere or only for greece? could someone check? [02:54] WDC WD3200BEKT [02:55] iKay: DDR3 has nice throughput and absolutely crappy latency [02:55] iKay: you pay twice as hard for a cache miss as i do [02:55] well the difference is noticable for me [02:55] much faster [02:55] what did you have before? [02:55] ddr2 800mhz [02:56] now i'm ddr3 1066mhz [02:56] ok, that IS a step up [02:56] (yes i also upgraded the entire laptop so that will have made a difference somewhat, but i've compared very similar laptop with ddr2) [02:56] especially if the old one was "value RAM" [02:56] well my old one was a £600 sony [02:56] now i have a £2500 macbook pro [02:56] so there's sure to be a fair difference there lol [02:56] ok, that says it all [02:56] alreadygone (i=1000@59.103.214.20) left irc: "Leaving" [02:57] yeah the 1.66ghz cpu to 2.66ghz cpu probably did a lot too [02:57] i shelled out hard to get CL3 RAM in this one [02:57] and i still beat the crap out of a P8600 in some areas :P [02:58] generally i think this laptop was a real bargain.. it is 3 years old, and new laptops only have bigger HDDs, but cost the same if similarly speced [02:58] i'm not trying to beat any one with my specs, but i thought that 1.66ghz -> 2.66ghz and 1gb ram -> 4gb ram was a fair upgrade [02:58] The-Croupier: try this ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/3.5.7/ [02:58] also my old sony had intel gma950 gfx, that sucked no end, this has 9400m 256mb and 9600gt 512mb [02:58] would never get a lappy with onboard gfx again [02:59] well, shared gfx i should say, all laptop gfx is 'on board' [02:59] i am doint just fine with a GMA950 here [02:59] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Nick collision from services. [02:59] antiwire1 (n=antiwire@97-94-111-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:59] @macavity: i don't have a desktop, and i like to encode high def video, so i needed some kind of decent gfx [02:59] but then again, its probably because i picked low latency ram and got both sockets filled [02:59] plus at least mac uses gpu to process video, so my gfx gets some use [03:00] antiwire1 (n=antiwire@97-94-111-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [03:00] well.. i just want purty KDE effects.. so i'm happy :P [03:00] yeah guaranteed, i do a lot of a/v work so the shared gfx killed me [03:00] also i like to game when i can [03:02] Rat409: thank you [03:02] The-Croupier: sure :) [03:02] is the T9550 considered a fairly decent laptop cpu? [03:02] iKay: speaking about games...which ones? [03:02] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [03:02] ra3 mostly, racing games, gta etc [03:02] iKay: whats the L2 cache size on that one? [03:02] 6MB [03:03] nice [03:03] yes, its the one i would love to have in mine if it supported 667FSB :P [03:03] i dont like using wine for most of the games... again... i dont have enough money for most of them and linux doest help much with nice games...;) ( i prefer action with stages) [03:03] it's 1066mhz [03:03] i have ra3 ported for os x [03:03] well not really ported, uses an app called cider that interprets the DirectX code and converts it to opengl [03:04] Rat409: even that i get file is corrupt..... [03:04] damn..something is wrong :( [03:04] check your ram dude [03:05] we so need to get rid of DirecX [03:05] i wish the bigger companies would just code for opengl [03:05] OpenGL fell behind for quite a few years [03:05] i hear that recently it's picked up [03:05] in part by apple supporting it [03:05] though they have amended this fully now it will take some time before its reputation picks up again [03:06] even this interpretter runs directx, as opengl, with better frame rates than i can achieve using direct x on vista :x [03:06] that says it all [03:06] iKay: i think it is just as much thanks to nVidia and ATI.. they were tired of M$ stopping development as soon as they had the chokehold [03:06] that's fair enough [03:07] yes [03:07] but OpenGL is the basis for all gaming on mac's, and that has seriously taken off since apple have implemented nvidia cards in their laptop and all-in-one desktop range [03:07] but it will take years and years before the industry picks up.. a lot of man years worth of training and experience is tied up in DX [03:08] DX is easily portable to xbox 360 too [03:08] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:08] xbox pretty much runs DX.. its just some minor alterations to the spec [03:08] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [03:08] yeah ... all i know is i have friends in game development studies and they code for xbox, and they need to modify somewhat to run that on pc [03:09] its not any more different than they can wrap the calls and support both platforms [03:09] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-174.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:10] yeah [03:10] it's not gfx wise i don't think [03:10] but not my forte [03:10] the bad news is that OpenGL ES 3.x dont translate too well to DX [03:10] how would i find what version of opengl i am running? [03:10] glxinfo | grep render [03:11] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@168-103-62-246.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [03:11] direct rendering: Yes [03:11] OpenGL renderer string: NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT OpenGL Engine [03:11] GL_APPLE_flush_render, GL_APPLE_aux_depth_stencil, [03:11] oh, right.. not Mesa [03:11] OpenGL version string: 2.1 NVIDIA-1.6.6 [03:11] you look up what 9600M GT supports [03:11] what?!? [03:11] meow [03:12] hey kitty cat :P [03:12] 2.1 is bad? [03:12] iKay: ok, nVidia is dumping *nix again.. i am fairly certain that the hardware supports the shader models required for at least 3.0 [03:13] well this is os x [03:13] and nvidia h/w [03:13] hi macavity [03:13] i think macports has opengl 3.0 but i wouldn't like to mess with it [03:14] does 3.0 offer me any major benefits? [03:14] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:14] or does a game have to support it anyway [03:14] uhm [03:14] the 9400GT supports OpenGL 3.2 [03:15] well 9600GT must... [03:15] altho the 9600GT in this is custom made for apple [03:15] it's not the same 9600GT that's in pc lappies [03:15] i dont know if they dumb it down for the M versions [03:16] does anyone know why mount /dev/cdrom just hangs? [03:16] well according to nvidia.com the 9600gt only supports opengl 2.1 [03:17] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:18] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:18] DirectX 10.0, Shader Model 4.0, OpenGL 3.2, and PCI-Express 2.0 [03:18] sounds good to me [03:18] then wikipedia is wrong [03:18] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:18] my bad i was looking at the desktop card [03:19] or is this a GT vs M-GT issue? [03:19] it doesn't have any info on m-gt tho [03:19] BeZerk (n=MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:21] i guess all i can do is play with it and see what happens [03:22] i doubt any of my games are new enough for 3.2 support anyway tho [03:22] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Client Quit [03:22] coldcog: try mount /dev/sr0 [03:23] ooh thats one ive missed... [03:23] nope mount: can't find /dev/sr0 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab :( [03:23] iKay: i think you need a driver update [03:24] @macavity: the drivers are released by apple... [03:24] >_< [03:24] so you are in the same situation as MSI users [03:24] *always* check that your hardware isnt vendor locked.. "upstream" drivers *must* work [03:25] coldcog: so you dont have any disc? [03:25] i can use windows driver from nvidia.com... but when i use the apple driver i get better fps [03:25] on windows [03:26] dont have any disk? [03:26] in your cd-tray? [03:27] would that hang the system tho? [03:27] uhm [03:27] try "mount /dev/sr0 /mnt/cdrom/" [03:27] no there is one in there [03:27] disc is damaged. [03:27] as root [03:28] no, lack of RTFM on how mount works and what fstab is [03:28] macavity: mount: special device /dev/sr0 does not exist [03:28] yeah i was wondering that too at first pupitee but its the same with every disk [03:28] replace sr0 with that your cdrom is called [03:29] or try /dev/cdrom [03:29] and see if udev got it right [03:29] mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom/ seems to be hanging so far... [03:30] plain ol mount /dev/cdrom hangs too [03:30] thats the same... [03:30] ls -l /dev/cdrom [03:31] but if i am nearly 100% sure that if the disk is known good, then the drive has gone bonkers [03:32] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2010-01-17 07:38 /dev/cdrom -> hda [03:32] so you have a SATA HDD and an ATA cdrom [03:33] try /mount/hda /mnt/cdrom/ ? [03:33] you mean /dev dont you? [03:33] dev/ [03:33] and that gives exacly the same as /dev/cdrom as that is a symlink [03:33] either his disk is damaged or the drive is toast [03:33] yes i do [03:33] sleep depried [03:34] lol [03:34] or mount -t iso9660 /dev/hda /mnt/cdrom [03:34] yeah i guess its about time for stuff to start falling apart on this computer... [03:34] rat409: i tried that earlier today [03:34] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@168-103-62-246.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:34] coldcog: do you have any discs that is not home burned? [03:35] you got a spare box that you can put the drive in to test? [03:35] coldcog: crappy drives generally fail to read home grown discs first [03:36] well i'm out, peace and be well everyone. later [03:36] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("="). [03:36] yes to both of those [03:36] im dual booting, and windows can read it, but fails 70% of the time during a burn [03:36] but i think thats just how windows does it... [03:38] didymo (n=ashley@131.203.102.171) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:38] hmm [03:38] 70% failrate is pretty darned high [03:39] that means broken drive [03:39] wertik_rus (n=wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [03:39] windows XP has burned fine (if you dont do anything else on the box meanwhile) for years and years [03:39] haha [03:39] but hey, even linux thend to trash the disk if you star up Nexuiz while burning [03:39] coldcog: u can try to clean the lens on the laser... [03:40] pupiteee++ [03:40] yeah well i didnt try that many disks to prove 70%, but i still dont feel its acceptable [03:40] you know, xfburn in tao mode, doesn't produce a useable data cd [03:40] and old toothbrush (boil it first!) is good for that [03:40] nyRednek: CLI FTW :P [03:41] those burn front-ends are always so damn optimistic [03:41] macavity: yeah, when device is hdc, cdrecord doesn't do it without modification of lilo.conf [03:41] i guess the devs knows what kind of HW to buy :P [03:41] so general consensus is probly failed drive? [03:41] nyRednek: fortunately that is fixed in .32+ [03:41] coldcog: absolutely [03:41] coldcog: try the toothbrush.. you might get luckey [03:41] good deal :) [03:42] macavity: slack 13 has...? [03:42] nyRednek: .29.6 iirc [03:42] nyRednek: the kernel packages from -current will fit nicely.. just be prepared that *all* hd* drives become sd* or sr* [03:43] so some boot time trickery with chroot and lilo is bound to occure [03:43] macavity: well, not running -current...so... [03:43] right i'm gonna head off before i fall asleep at the keyboard. nice talking to everyone. might come idle around here more often :) ... anyway laters [03:44] yeah this is a laptop so my lens and everything is just hangin out there when i open the drive [03:44] iKay: ;) [03:44] nyRednek: i mean, the kernel packages from -current works as adverticed on 13.0 [03:44] i'm half motivated to go ahead and edit /etc/lilo.conf [03:44] Nick change: iKay -> iKay|zZz [03:44] i probly managed to mess it up somehow [03:44] ah [03:45] i managed to crap mine out by running cdparanoia on a semi-wasted disk [03:45] *disc [03:46] I've seen that happen before. Guy's entire CD collection looked like the discs had all been stored with no cases, in a box of gravel [03:46] maybe ill just put the whole thing in the dishwasher, thatll probly solve all my problems :p [03:46] lol [03:47] i try to avoid cd's whenever possible... [03:47] no amount of software trickery can make up for the fact that the data just ain't there any more... [03:47] I still use 'em in my car, since it came with a CD player [03:47] macavity: so i don't need to look, a resume append in lilo.conf is "resume=/dev/hdxx" right? [03:48] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-174.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [03:48] yeah i i have a 4gb card in my phone with my music on it, and an audio jack in my cd player, so i just plug that in and play it off my phone [03:48] ...and to give recordings to the singer in my band, who complains "Why can't you just record this stuff on a tape?!" [03:48] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:48] nyRednek: i think so [03:49] coldcog: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090224060825AAbpij6 [03:49] last week I watched him copy a CD by plugging microphones into his crappy old tape deck, place them in front of the speakers, hit play on the CD and Record on the tape... [03:49] macavity: spaces between appends on the line? [03:49] yes [03:50] pupiteee: thanks [03:50] MASARUwota (n=MirandaI@unaffiliated/masaruwota) joined ##slackware. [03:50] macavity: thanks for reminding my lazy butt [03:51] Urchlay: haha, i did that when i bought a computer 10yrs ago, played some audio disc, and run sndrec32 for a minute in windows. [03:51] hi guys, debian/arch user here, trying to get slackware running for the first time =) looking forward to seeing my KDE boot up. KDE in slack is a vanilla version isnt it? [03:51] so happy... :D [03:51] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.75.186) left irc: "Leaving" [03:53] MASARUwota, correct. [03:53] welcome to slack. [03:53] brb [03:54] thank you [03:54] i heard good stories about slack, so i decided to give it a try [03:55] doing a full dvd install atm [03:55] its a scientific fact that slack makes you sexier [03:55] debian isnt good for you MASARUwota? [03:55] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:56] pupiteee: i like debian, but i decided to give this distro a try aswell. i tried out most distros, and slack is pretty famous.. i guess.. [03:56] im running it on virtualbox in debian, so yeah.. [03:57] does it install a display manager by default? [03:57] full dvd install, that is [03:59] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:00] foobarz (i=1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:02] MASARUwota: a full DVD install will get you KDE's login manager, whatever they're calling it now... but in Slackware, on your first boot, you'll be sitting at a text console. Have to edit /etc/inittab to enable graphical login, at least you did in 12.2 (I never used the 13.0 installer so maybe it has a new option for that, that I don't know about, but I doubt it) [04:02] i've never tried debian. i was first on suse 7.1 then some redhat 6.2, then suse 9.5, then slack 11, then slack 12. then slamd64 12.1, then slack 12.2... now slack 13.0 [04:03] wow my job is on the list of 25 worst jobs to have in 2010... awesome [04:03] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 3814, sources date: 20091222, built on: 2010-01-09 17:48:42 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/" [04:03] Urchlay: you are right, he needs to edit inittab... [04:04] not so hideously difficult [04:04] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [04:04] yeah i installed 13 less than a month ago and had to edit inittab [04:05] I never saw the attraction in a graphical login screen, myself [04:05] it makes it take longer to log in, surely that's a bad thing? [04:06] Urchlay, it lets you poweroff/reboot from gui. while runlevel 3 only gives you logout. [04:06] i ended up changing mine back to runlevel 3 later though [04:07] i use runlevel 4 for desktops, no point in using 3. [04:07] this is also very true [04:07] no its not [04:07] yeah, but I pretty much never power off or reboot unless hardware fails or I'm upgrading the RAM or something... of course this ain't a laptop [04:07] (and my actual laptop isn't really useful as a laptop any more due to not having a battery... ugh) [04:07] Urchlay, gotta think about environment, CO2 emissions, etc. :-) [04:07] pupiteee: no? [04:08] jg71 (n=edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:08] huh? [04:08] jg71 (n=edud@76.74.129.199) joined ##slackware. [04:08] i have managed to poweroff from gui using runlevel 3 and loging in manualy in kde... [04:08] but i dont remember how did i done it... it was on 12.2.... [04:08] if my hard drives keep dying from being powered on/off constantly, then I have to toss them in a landfill or something and go buy new ones, which come in massive amounts of eco-harmful plastic packaging... [04:08] turn off you computer when not in use, it produces heat and consumes electricity. [04:09] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [04:09] lol 'did i done' [04:09] I do not turn off my computer [04:09] lol [04:09] I do turn off the monitor [04:10] but, eh, the computer (and the internet) for me is like power, or running water. It has to be there *right now* when I'm ready to use it, no waiting [04:10] think about all the coal that burns day and night to keep your computer on :-) [04:10] alreadygone (i=1000@59.103.209.115) joined ##slackware. [04:10] save the coal! :-) [04:10] minimal, compared to the coal that burns day and night to power the electric heater that's sitting here keeping me from freezing to death [04:11] (and the other electric heaters in the other rooms of the house...) [04:11] don't you have central heating? [04:11] Urchlay: you are the reason of global warming... :p [04:12] my old crt monitor did all the heating in my room few years ;) [04:12] in the main part of the house, yah. But 2 of the bedrooms (master BR and my room) were added on to the house years after it was built, and they don't have heating ducts/vents [04:12] pupiteee: did you wear a tinfoil hat going in the room as well...;) [04:12] The-Croupier: noooo, just some shorts and a tshirt :p [04:12] The-Croupier: probably be better off with a tinfoil jockstrap, those old monitors spit out lots of interesting particles :) [04:13] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:14] it was like 'uum! my eyes' but i kept looking at it.. [04:14] MY O_oyes!! :-) [04:15] pupiteee: I bet my first ever "monitor" was worse. The TV set in the kitchen. I had to sit on the linoleum floor and crane my neck up at it, and of course, being made in 1976, the dot pitch wasn't what you'd call scintillating... [04:15] haha [04:16] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [04:16] learned a lot on that old computer tho. Parents were like "We just bought you a computer for $500, we aren't shelling out $50 for a game. Want a game, learn to make your own!", so I did [04:16] eh, not very *good* games, mind you... [04:18] haha [04:19] well, its a start... [04:19] tanamo (n=tanamo@125.252.70.230) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:20] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) joined ##slackware. [04:20] foobarz (i=1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [04:20] k Urchlay, thx for your reply a long time ago :p [04:21] one of those Ei NIS tv sets here in Serbia: http://img242.imageshack.us/i/beoekranho2.jpg/ [04:23] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:23] whoa, that looks like it's from the movie "Poltergeist" [04:23] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:24] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [04:24] i tried to convince a customer about those crt monitors but still trying... cheap bastards dont change.. and he is wearing glasses after a month of me telling him..(been using the monitor for years) [04:24] Urchlay: lol [04:24] lol [04:24] i can't seem to get cdrecord to work [04:25] further, xfburn doesn't produce a readable cd [04:25] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:25] nyRednek: cdparanoia? [04:25] 9copy something...dont remember the name exactly but is awsome as well ;) [04:27] Morn [04:28] The-Croupier: doesn't cdparanoia rip? [04:28] The-Croupier: further, trying to burn a data cd [04:28] nyRednek: i think it writes as well... check man ;) [04:29] Zordrak: yo [04:30] The-Croupier: no, it doesn't write [04:31] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.71.44) left irc: Excess Flood [04:32] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.71.44) joined ##slackware. [04:32] nyRednek: have you reduced the speed? IIRC, if you don't give "-speed 8" or whatever, cdrecord tries to burn at the highest speed supported by the drive (generally guaranteed to fail no matter what OS and blank media you're using) [04:32] also, try adding '-driveropts=burnfree', if you're getting dropouts [04:33] or does it not even get as far as starting to write to the disk? [04:34] nyRednek: cdparanoia -B [04:35] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: "For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint." [04:36] zecafig (n=zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) joined ##slackware. [04:38] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:38] macavity: seems i can get cdrecord to work...if i run it as root [04:39] giuppy_ (n=giuppy@87.13.169.31) joined ##slackware. [04:40] are you in the cdrom group? [04:40] macavity: that looks like batch rip [04:40] ehm, yeah, normally you have to run cdrecord as root [04:40] macavity: of course i'm in cdrom root [04:40] or are things supposed to be different in 13? [04:40] s/root/group [04:41] it's writing...let's see if it's readable after [04:41] this is an old yamaha 8 speed writer [04:41] is there some piece of documentation that says cdrecord is supposed to work as a non-root user? I've been running "sudo cdrecord" for 10+ years so if it's changed, I won't have noticed... [04:42] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [04:42] wertik_rus (n=wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: "Leaving" [04:45] Urchlay: last command line i burn was done on debian...using wodim [04:45] Any irssi users here? I cannot get dcc working with irssi 0.8.14 from 13.0 [04:45] andrew_50: using irssi, but i'm so deeply firewalled that i can't dcc anyways [04:46] nyRednek: I don't have a great need for dcc but it irritates me that I can't make it work [04:47] andrew_50: i always use dropbox or gmail [04:47] Action: The-Croupier wonders why dont ppl upgrade their hardware to something more decent? they are cheap nowadays...(even i can do it) [04:47] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:48] Action: nyRednek wonders why it's such a big deal to The-Croupier when he's trying to keep old hardware that he spent pratically nothing for alive [04:48] who is cool with wget?!? [04:49] i need to copy a website that does some something funny [04:49] no.. it doesnt do anything funny [04:49] wget should just follow all links [04:50] nyRednek: ?! [04:51] giuppy (n=giuppy@host25-126-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:54] END-USER (n=root@ppp-69-239-237-53.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [04:54] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [04:54] END-USER kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: unixfool: Using an IRC client as root is very dangerous. Please create a user account and return to the channel under it. [04:54] :-0 [04:56] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) left ##slackware. [04:56] shit.. wget respects robots.txt when in recursive mode [04:56] Lawlz (n=End-User@ppp-69-239-237-53.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [04:56] and there is no switch to turn it off [04:57] on the other hand, it's open source. [04:59] curl ? [05:09] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [05:11] i just got the owner to edit robots.txt temporarily [05:12] if I run 64-bit slackware, then no 32-bit software works anymore right? but if I compile source it will be 64-bit by default and work normally? [05:13] yes and yes [05:13] nice thanks [05:13] but you can follow alienBOB's guide to 32bit compatibility [05:13] where is this guide? [05:13] in case you get stuck with something that doesnt run [properly] on 64bit yet [05:14] google has it in first hit i guess [05:14] ok I searched [05:14] "alienBOB slackware multilib" or something [05:15] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib [05:15] yup, first hit [05:21] i am reading it, very informative [05:22] wario (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-beqeuhzqyzfdvwhe) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:23] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-147-41.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [05:25] thanks aliens excelent work [05:25] wario (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-beflwoljsagjaibr) joined ##slackware. [05:25] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@80-123-55-106.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:26] installing slack sure takes a lot of time :/ [05:26] 15 minutes? [05:27] MASARUwota: i install slackware from a 4GB high speed USB thumb drive [05:28] MASARUwota: that is pretty fast [05:28] maybe its just vbox being slow [05:28] idk [05:28] yeah, i don't think i've ever installed slack from a dvd [05:28] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-19-236.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Excess Flood [05:29] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-19-236.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:29] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-19-236.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Excess Flood [05:29] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-19-236.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:31] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) joined ##slackware. [05:32] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-19-236.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Excess Flood [05:32] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-19-236.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:32] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-19-236.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Excess Flood [05:32] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [05:32] MASARUwota: that sounds more like it.. especially if you dont have a VT-x capable CPU [05:33] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-19-236.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:33] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-19-236.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Excess Flood [05:33] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-19-236.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:33] anyhow.. time to go into the big blue room and do stuffz [05:34] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-19-236.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Excess Flood [05:34] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-19-236.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[05:51] i got it at a chinese restaurant in japan [05:52] So.. a Japanese guy's plums then.. [05:52] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [05:53] why are you obsessing about that part of a man's anatomy? [05:57] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-96-11.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:59] ah, my full install is done [05:59] took me 3h [05:59] D: [05:59] Delahunt: simply suggesting I'm not as fond of putting it in my mouth :) [06:00] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.101.126) joined ##slackware. [06:00] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:01] i didn't doubt that until you brought it up, Zordrak 8-P [06:02] wow, this stuff takes a bit to take effect but when it does, wow! [06:02] got a question. why would a person, who likes to do things manually (and thus uses slack) want to use KDE4? BY DEFAULT? [06:02] this is just like ubuntu people using a tiling manager :X [06:03] MASARUwota: No. It's not. [06:03] vhargon (n=geno@125-237-32-105.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [06:04] explain? im not understanding it [06:04] Slack isnt abxout doing things manually.. it's about having the choice to do it however you want [06:04] KDE4 is very good at helping productivity. Most of the people whe really hate KDE4 havent used it in anger. [06:05] There would be no reason to make a tiling manager the default just to make slack look harder [06:05] :/ [06:05] makes sense [06:06] but i thought that kde ('gimicky' instead of 'more basic') wont really fit in with slackware [06:06] but i guess im wrong then :S [06:08] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.109.52) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:08] MASARUwota: slackware is actually normal imho,and i found it be kinda good desktop for who ever is educated enough to know what they are doing. 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[06:24] installed with stock 13.0 kernel on x86_64 and things could do with an update, what would be advisable? Got dodgy sound integration, monster timeouts on mount and network calls, and wireless is shoddy - it's a HP Pav dv7 so it's not the greatest lil lugger in the world and has some systemic problems (for instance the sound issue is very likely a specific to this lappy) [06:25] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl5-183-109.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:30] theblackbox: It's not too far of a stretch to say the chipset drivers are the problem.. with so many peripherals giving you trouble. What is the chipset? [06:31] With the kernel being 3 revisions ahead now, perhaps its worth trying it? a Test installation of -current perhaps [06:32] pupiteee (n=p@109.93.167.47) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:32] Zordrak, for the sound device it's an Intel HDA [06:33] slackmagic (i=1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [06:33] seems it's not too difficult to get it working, so I'm led toward investigating some things an old hat slacker mentioned over the weekend [06:34] pupiteee1 (n=p@109.93.233.212) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:34] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-99-94.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:34] apparently there's a release that's plagued with issues about timeouts and a few other things, thought I might as well test a -current and try a kernel update, see how that improves my situation [06:35] theblackbox: sure intel HDA should be fine.. so long as you are communicating properly with it over the southbridge chipset [06:36] Can less be used to view binary files like most can? [06:36] pupiteee (n=p@109.93.233.212) joined ##slackware. [06:39] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl7-78-240.dsl.telepac.pt) left ##slackware. [06:39] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl7-78-240.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. 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[07:20] \o/ [07:21] so i'm gonna have to loadlin the installer kernel/root(what syslinux would do) then install over a chip [07:21] usb/pxe? [07:22] Zordrak: no boot over usb support [07:22] Zordrak: and i don't understand pxe well enough to set up a pxe boot [07:22] nyRednek: good oppoartunity to learn :) [07:23] Zordrak: or remake my usb slack chip, then use that, along with loadlin(winme patched to have dos mode) [07:23] noobfarm is getting better everyday :) [07:23] same effort, less learning :) [07:24] especially with stuff like that ;) [07:24] The-Croupier: last one is epic ;-) [07:24] Camarade_Tux: most of them are... ;) [07:24] yeah, right ;-) [07:25] I would have love to see a pic of the guy who got owned ;-) [07:25] they always make my day... some of them seem so honest its not even funny ;) [07:25] lol [07:27] psychicist (n=psychici@j0175.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:28] Camarade_Tux: i like acidchild's one as well ;) [07:28] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:29] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.48.80) joined ##slackware. [07:31] yeah, he must be really good at poetry ;-) [07:31] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [07:32] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-96-11.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:32] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [07:32] hahaha ;) or very very bored ;) with self knowledge ;) paying too much attention at the mirror in the morning ;) [07:34] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-96-11.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [07:35] I'd rather not know ;-) [07:37] Hello everyone :) [07:38] Lawlz (n=End-User@ppp-69-239-237-53.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:38] SOUL_OF_R00T (i=l00l@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left ##slackware ("Fui embora"). [07:38] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-96-11.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:39] hi gar0t0 [07:40] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:42] Camarade_Tux: yep, same here ;) [07:43] shyko (n=shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [07:43] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-96-11.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [07:43] gades (n=gades@190.33.62.4) joined ##slackware. [07:44] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [07:44] shyko (n=shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Client Quit [07:47] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-96-11.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:48] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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[07:58] for i in *.png; do convert "$i" `echo $i | rev | cut -d'.' -f2- | rev`.jpg; done should works [08:02] RobDob (n=rpedrica@165.145.96.11) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:02] should do it, there was also something bash specific with which I can't remember [08:03] and I think I was trying to ask my shell for too much magic [08:04] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:05] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Client Quit [08:05] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:08] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-96-11.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [08:08] shyko (n=shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [08:09] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [08:10] gtludwig (n=gtl@150.162.165.43) joined ##slackware. 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[08:26] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [08:27] Nick change: dErFz -> derfz [08:27] http://bashcurescancer.org :) [08:28] psychicist (n=psychici@j0175.upc-j.chello.nl) left ##slackware. [08:28] sorry, s/org/com/ [08:29] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-96-11.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [08:30] zux (n=zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. [08:31] theblackerbox (n=sammo@92.24.10.99) joined ##slackware. [08:33] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-96-11.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:34] Action: The-Croupier loves it being quiet ;) [08:35] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [08:37] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:39] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:40] theblackerbox: Ssshhh. [08:40] The-Croupier: Ssshhh. [08:41] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Nick collision from services. [08:41] Action: The-Croupier hates he bloody flies going ssssshhhh all the time .. and those e-flies are worst..cant fucking hit them either .... [08:41] grazymax (n=grazymax@host187-157-dynamic.12-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [08:41] Action: The-Croupier kick Zordrak...wushhhhh [08:42] theblackerbox (n=sammo@92.24.10.99) left ##slackware. [08:43] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [08:43] bah [08:44] damn, and they told me that flies communicate :( [08:46] you're thinking of socks [08:47] theblackbox: you must be a woman... its those usually who have magic powers that strong ;) [08:47] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:47] has anybody used Adaptec Storage Manager v2.12.823 for linux? [08:47] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: "Leaving" [08:48] The-Croupier, one X chromosome too many ;) [08:49] you can buy one of NASA's Space Shuttles for the low price of 28.8 million dollars [08:49] zsh user here ;-) [08:50] theblackbox: and they say that fcking chromosome is the most important one too :( if something wrong with that all sorts of weird things start happening ;) [08:50] Camarade_Tux: me,,, most of the time ;) [08:50] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:50] what seems to be the problem [08:51] The-Croupier, aye... apparently female is the default should something go "wrong" ;) [08:51] was answering to a message written 3à minutes ago by slava_dp who has left since... [08:52] Camarade_Tux: ohh ok ;) [08:52] theblackbox: thats why we see so many wrong things in them and the opposite ;) [08:53] women are wrong even scientifically proven, and they still dont get it ;) [08:53] hah, "pow, right in the kisser" [08:53] Action: theblackbox hides [08:53] Action: The-Croupier loves wrong, the wronger it is, the more i love them ;) [08:54] ar [08:54] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [08:54] john_dee (n=id@95-29-147-75.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:54] anyone using adaptec hardware RAID? [08:55] zux: seems no-one is that daft [08:55] i use 3ware [08:55] Zordrak: lol [08:55] :( [08:55] yeah, 3ware is great [08:55] Pre-LSI 3ware might I add :) [08:55] zux: yes [08:55] but this is non of my choise here [08:56] i read somwhere that the adaptec has some cli utility to manage the controller [08:56] but i can't find it [08:56] zux: yeah right... heard that before [08:56] Action: The-Croupier hides [08:57] zux: dell had some utilities for their perc models that were made by adaptec, such as perc 3d/i [08:57] this one sits on a supermicro server [08:58] what model of adaptec controller? [08:58] 1210SA [09:00] hmm, that sounds awefully close to a fake raid controller they had with sata [09:01] no, this is a real one [09:01] but with sata [09:01] so you do see an array as a single scsi block device, rather than multiple ones? [09:01] Razec (i=1000@189-92-7-83.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:02] no, I see the single block [09:02] tb the whole array as /dev/hda [09:02] sda [09:02] that usually means it's hardware raid [09:02] yes, unless you have a single drive :) lsscsi is a good way to quickly glance at your system [09:03] 6 drives there [09:03] but i can only manage the array if I reboot [09:03] pastebin.com it [09:04] what kind of management do you expect to perform on a regular basis? [09:04] not regular, but one disk died [09:04] and I realy don't want to reboot it [09:04] so replace the disk. most sane raid controllers are configured to perform auto rebuild [09:04] i don't know which disk.... [09:05] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [09:05] ohh. the joys of white box servers :) [09:05] or, is there a way to find out? [09:05] zux: unlikely, without the management util. some raid drivers do log that information, but not many [09:06] i assume this is driven by aacraid, and that's how you found about about your array being degraded? [09:06] dmesg says: [09:06] aacraid: Host adapter abort request (0,0,0,0) [09:07] can you post your 'lsscsi' and 'dmesg | grep aacraid' ? [09:07] this looks bad an i wan't to have a look at it :) [09:07] ok [09:07] how do you know that a disk has died? that error doesn't indicate it [09:07] brb [09:08] well i asume, but that's why I want to see what's going on [09:08] http://pastebin.com/mc7c2b24 [09:08] Rossonero (n=ence@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [09:08] dead disk is the most probable reason [09:09] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Client Quit [09:09] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [09:09] zux: there was a hdd tool in slackware (damn im so bad with names) that checked all your disks for errors and stuff... :( [09:09] maybe someone can remember [09:09] The-Croupier: hd-parm? maybe? [09:09] those disks look strange too, 4 WDC, 1 samsung and 1 HDT?? [09:11] The-Croupier: those tools wouldn't be able to work on individual raid array members [09:11] zux: you don't know what you have? :) [09:12] nope, i saw this server today, for the first time [09:12] zux: this error is too vague to conclude that it's a failed disk [09:12] i can say I was happy to see it has slackware running :) [09:13] well yes, but that's why i want the management utility :) [09:13] tsonev_ (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [09:13] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:14] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:14] thay said that there allready was an error like this with it, the disk had fallen out of the raid array, they had rebooted and reinserted it [09:15] probably one of those disks is not realy supported by the controller or something like that [09:15] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-185-093.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:16] ueu001 (n=ueu@77.49.207.209.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:18] BadAtom (n=epigramm@supporter/active/BadAtom) left irc: "leaving" [09:20] BadAtom (n=epigramm@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [09:22] shyko (n=shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: "almoco" [09:25] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:26] well this is great [09:26] downloaded some adaptec configuration utlity [09:27] now adaptec want's me to either connect to the utility via Internet Explorer, or run xorg one the server [09:27] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:28] Excuse my schadenfreude :) I'm so happy i don't have to live with Adaptec. [09:29] lucky you [09:30] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) joined ##slackware. [09:31] and their website....... [09:35] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [09:36] edman007 (n=edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:37] ueu001 (n=ueu@77.49.207.209.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:38] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-85-250.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [09:38] hi there [09:39] metrofox: ! [09:39] hey Camarade_Tux :) [09:39] metrofox: where is your "libflash*so" in /usr? [09:39] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.27.68) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:39] mmm [09:40] When can we have something similar to gentoo minimal or Debian server edition ? [09:40] /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so [09:40] I'm wondering why flash works for you and not for me in my browser [09:40] crap, same place [09:40] or something silly [09:40] MASARUwota (n=MirandaI@unaffiliated/masaruwota) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:41] Camarade_Tux: because your browser already knows that I'm different than you... I'm cool ;-) [09:41] Rossonero: don't install x/ and xap/? [09:41] xD [09:41] Rossonero: italiano? [09:41] lol Camarade_Tux [09:41] Camarade_Tux, it's not enough :P [09:41] Rossonero: milanista? :D [09:42] metrofox, YEAHHH ! MILAN 4 LIFE [09:42] hahah [09:42] lol [09:42] Rossonero: don't install kde/, kdei/, y/, tcl/, t/, f/, k/? [09:42] Rossonero: don't install anything D: [09:42] *:D [09:42] THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE IS OWN ! [09:42] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.225.8.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:42] Camarade_Tux, ok [09:42] thanks [09:43] Rossonero: yeah, but are you italian? LOL [09:43] metrofox, doesn't matter [09:43] :P [09:43] I am terrorist [09:43] :O [09:43] shame on you! :D [09:43] Derka Derka [09:43] Action: metrofox bows urthwrm [09:44] Why ? it's my business [09:44] Rossonero: are you aware that several people who joked on that have been arrested during the last days? >< [09:44] Camarade_Tux, ok ok [09:44] metrofox is cool interpol agent [09:44] I am just kidding "CIA" don't arrest me ! [09:44] Rossonero: someone wrote on twitter he'd bomb the airport if they weren't cleaning the snow on it and he got arrested >< [09:44] I love USA [09:45] yeah... I'm calling my boss, he's police boss I'm telling him what he's gonna do this evening, later I'll tell him you're a terrorist, Rossonero! [09:45] Camarade_Tux, don't make me worry [09:45] hhhhhhhhhh [09:45] hehe :P [09:45] long live to usa [09:45] obama for life [09:46] Camarade_Tux: I read once that a boy was talking to another guy in the US through Xbox live, they were talking about a [09:46] I hope they will forgive me now [09:46] hey, i'm terrorizing my neibour by leaving my trash on his property, i'm a terrorist [09:46] party... then one of them said "I'll do a disaster tomorrow"... [09:46] do not wish obama on us for that long [09:46] Camarade_Tux, my name is there :S [09:46] autorities arrested him [09:46] Now I have to be scared !! [09:48] are you looking for my picture in google :P ? [09:48] hhhhhhhhhhh [09:48] metrofox: yeah..because the government is listening in on XBL communication [09:49] straterra: don't know what happened actually, maybe somebody called police... don't know :) [09:49] straterra: seems they do follow twitter (or at least when they're pointed to it) [09:51] don't worry god will protect us [09:51] Amen [09:51] http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/01/18/0738253 :: Police In Britain Arrest Man For Bomb-Threat Joke On Twitter [09:51] tsonev_ (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Client Quit [09:53] Rossonero: yeah but no... [09:55] straterra: hiya [09:55] Action: The-Croupier is glad to see old-slackers around :) :) [09:55] Rossonero: i have news for you, there is no god [09:55] metrofox, I am very happy because Milan are back ! with new stars :) [09:55] Pig_Pen: shhhhh straterra is here :p [09:56] Rossonero: inter will win the championship [09:56] Hello [09:56] Pig_Pen, how can you prove that ? [09:56] oh no! straterra is back! [09:56] Pig_Pen: yeah I think so :) [09:56] The-Croupier: it's your fault :D [09:57] metrofox: what is? [09:57] Rossonero: He's not an ignorant moron? [09:57] Rossonero: if you want me to believe in a god then the burden of proof is on you [09:57] alreadygone (i=1000@59.103.212.248) left irc: "Leaving" [09:57] s0d0 (n=sod@host86-175-233-189.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:58] Pig_Pen, the problem with that subject is there is no obvious proof [09:58] and will never be [09:58] You have to be kidding me.. [09:58] that's all :D [09:59] there is plenty of proof supporting evolution showing we evolved from the same common ancestor as the other great apes evolved from [09:59] metrofox, so maybe I am right :) [09:59] -> ##slackware-offtopic ? [09:59] Perhaps this discussion should go elsewhere? [09:59] Camarade_Tux: ++ [10:00] Pig_Pen, OK and where this ancestos come from ? 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[10:57] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:57] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [10:59] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:59] alkos333 (n=alkos333@68-30-187-7.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [11:00] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:03] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:04] could someone point me to an article about optimizing the speed of kde4 ? [11:04] <|Slacker|> does anybody here has slack 13 installed on a laptop or netbook and runs kde? [11:04] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [11:05] [000aLinux] (n=[000aLin@unaffiliated/alinux) joined ##slackware. [11:06] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.86.45.177) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:06] <[000aLinux]> Hi all [11:06] eeeGuitarman (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left ##slackware. [11:07] [000aLinux]: all is not in today [11:08] crn__ (n=crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:09] alkos333 (n=alkos333@68-30-187-7.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:10] does anyone know how i might reasonably assure myself that two very large (~1.5GB) text files are identical? [11:10] without attempting to run diff on them in whole. [11:11] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [11:11] <[000aLinux]> thumbs: Thank you very much. [11:11] your wellcome :D [11:12] hackedhead: cmp(1) ? [11:12] hackedhead: diff will do that? [11:12] hackedhead: what's wrong with diff? [11:12] There's also md5sum [11:12] diff -q [11:14] _RaNdY (i=randy@rats.run.the.shell.at.shellium.org) left ##slackware. [11:14] RaNdY (i=randy@shellium/member/randy) joined ##slackware. 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[11:19] nathanbw: this is handled by Slackware's shutdows script [11:20] nathanbw: read /etc/rc.d/rc.6 [11:20] i probably wouldn't use raid5 with softwareraid [11:20] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@94.159.226.138) joined ##slackware. [11:20] but maybe it's just my bad expirience [11:21] ChArLoK_16 (n=chatzill@82.137.203.132) joined ##slackware. [11:22] alkos333 (n=alkos333@173-109-186-80.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [11:23] how can i see what software installed on my pc uses a certain port? [11:23] [000aLinux] (n=[000aLin@unaffiliated/alinux) left irc: "leaving" [11:23] i have installed citadel and since, I have some open ports that I didn't knew about [11:24] Also I have paranoia and an 24-hour insecurity feeling [11:24] well, the idea was to try to not eat up the copius of amounts of RAM it will take to diff them [11:24] Azeotrope: netstat -panel | grep ":port_nr" [11:24] md5sum is a bit more viable, perhaps, so thanks [11:25] gaidal (n=gaidal@39.36.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [11:25] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@109.78.36.193) joined ##slackware. [11:29] shyko (n=shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [11:29] Zordrak, thanks! [11:33] zux: i wouldnt use raid5 at all. but maybe that just my understanding of how it works and what can go wrong. [11:33] well i try use to raid1 and raid 10 only [11:34] zux: me too :) but thats because i like them and they work well for me. [11:34] RAID 5 has its uses [11:34] RAID6 is better though [11:35] my personal belief is that disks are cheep enough these days to put a raid 10 if not just raid1 [11:35] IceChant (n=icechant@94.159.224.163) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:35] straterra: i really dont see why anyone would ever use raid5, instead of raid6 [11:35] Because you lose a usable disk [11:36] If you need low speed, high storage arrays..raid 5 it is [11:36] by any chance, did someone had problems in the latest mysql uptrade? (-current) [11:36] its simply slower to calculate parity for 2 disks then for one [11:36] i understand the weird power failure silent parity corruption bug in raid5, doesnt exist in raid6? [11:37] Thats possible with any raid level without a battery backed card [11:37] how can this be? [11:37] -su: /usr/StorMan/arcconf: No such file or directory [11:37] I'm using RAID 5 so at least I have a chance of replacing a failed disk without having to restore from backup. NAS is on an UPS. If I was richer, RAID 6 or 10 it would be :-) [11:37] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1352501 2007-02-28 04:41 /usr/StorMan/arcconf* [11:37] fuzzix__ (n=fuzzix@109.78.4.105) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:38] Plasmius (i=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:38] the problem with raid5 is that in degraded mode, it becomes more vulnerable to a second disk failure because the disks are used even more than normally. [11:38] why wouldn't my damn management utlity run [11:38] stupid adaptec.... [11:39] Kaapa: which update, and what problems? [11:39] spook: http://kaapa.pastebin.mozilla.org/698016 <- this is the problem [11:40] and I take that back, there seems to have been no upgrades on mysql recently [11:40] crn_ (n=crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [11:40] Action: spook was just checking that. [11:41] Axius (n=fd@92.84.21.170) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:41] Kaapa: looks like the data files are funky, imo. but thats just a gut feeling based on no real understanding or knowledge. [11:42] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) left irc: "DIE ([Plasmastar] "Channel bals for /me? I don't think so punk.")" [11:42] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) joined ##slackware. [11:44] having only just read the 4th jan changelog for -current, whats the scoreboard so far for people stung by blindly updating their kernel without reading the changelog? [11:45] spook: I just took a hit with that [11:45] I had read it before (but forgot) :p [11:46] i'm wondering how things will go for me... [11:47] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-iajagmgcuywdijdj) left irc: [11:47] it was simple..I just had to add root=/dev/sda1 in lilo boot [11:47] and once on the new kernel, s/hd/sd/ in lilo.conf [11:47] and fstab? 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[11:49] basically, i have a very funky arrangement. it will be one of those try it and see things. not really looking forward to spending the time doing it though :/ [11:50] spook: really, it's a matter of lilo.conf and fstab and maybe initrd if you have one [11:50] Camarade_Tux: oh damn, i'd have to build a new initrd too :( [11:50] spook: just keep a bootable cd/dvd/usb and use "huge.s root=/dev/hdXX ro" ir anything goes wrong [11:50] spook: as mentionned in the changelog ;-) [11:50] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Client Quit [11:50] Camarade_Tux: i have my pxe -current(64) boot. :) [11:51] Camarade_Tux: i understand what i have to do, i just mostly cbf having to do it [11:51] hehe :-) [11:51] adamk (n=user@h-67-102-187-37.phlapafg.static.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [11:51] How do I make openssh server to do not send a banner [11:52] Azeotrope: by default in slackware theres no banner. to remove one, edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and comment out the banner line using # [11:53] and /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd restart to have it take affect for new connections [11:54] sirslacker (i=1000@s0237.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: "leaving" [11:54] spook: thanks! ps. would you use transmission web-gui or rtorrent+ssh for administrating the torrent jobs? [11:54] mako (n=mako@81.22.25.118) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:54] Azeotrope: i never really used rtorrent much, i found ktorrent + rss does what i want [11:55] janemba (n=back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "leaving" [11:55] janemba (n=back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. 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Slackware64 13.0 [12:15] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:15] Azeotrope: 10x indeed [12:16] fatherx, which version of amarok do you have? [12:16] fatherx: did you update mysql from -current? [12:16] thrice`, amarok 2.1.1 [12:17] spook, yes i did. didnt remember that. [12:17] well [12:17] then, how do I go downgrading? [12:17] fatherx: thats why everythign that uses mysql client libraries will now break. [12:17] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-20-21.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:18] upgradepkg should do the trick, if you download the so.15 package from 13.0. [12:19] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:19] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-44-38.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:21] Emeau (n=emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-33-207.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:22] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [12:23] thanks that solved the problem. [12:24] how can i use netstat to see to what ip my torrent traffic goes? [12:24] iKay (n=iKay@94.23.154.15) left irc: [12:25] Azeotrope: incoming or outgoing? [12:25] spook: outgoing [12:26] wait, do you mean the people you are connecting to? or what ip on your machine you're connecting FROM? [12:26] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:27] spook: i am uploading something. i want to see where it goes. [12:29] Azeotrope: most bittorrent clients show what ip addresses they are interacting with. [12:29] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@94.159.226.138) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:30] IceChant (n=icechant@94.159.226.138) joined ##slackware. [12:30] redtape (n=redtape@145-116-228-165.uilenstede.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:30] Azeotrope: but in a round about answer to your question, you already know the tool to use (netstat), why arent you reading the manpage to find the specific options you need? [12:31] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:32] hi, I just installed Slackware 13 on a computer with an Asus A7V8X motherboard, when I boot with acpi=off (which is required for this particular system), it keeps displaying something like "floppy0: unexpected interrupt", then something else, I can't read it as it is going too fast... Anyone know what could be the problem? [12:32] spook: because i'm lazy and you are good and tell me :D [12:33] Azeotrope: you obviously misunderstand the kind of help i give out. [12:33] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-19-236.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:33] Azeotrope: i'll help you with specifics and theory, but i'm not going to read a man page for you. [12:33] redtape: does the system boot okay? [12:34] I don't get a login prompt because it is continually printing the error messages. [12:34] ah ok. [12:34] do you have a floppy drive? [12:35] I do, but I have disconnected it to see if that worked, and no it hasn't. [12:35] redtape: have you disabled it in bios? [12:35] I'll try that. [12:36] oh, suddenly stopped printing error message, it now seems to be booting. [12:36] I'll let you know how far it goes. [12:36] redtape: did you have these issues during install? [12:37] no issues [12:38] cmt (n=cmt@63.149.173.1) left irc: Client Quit [12:38] I'm looking for isos of armedslack, are some available? [12:38] cmt (n=cmt@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [12:39] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [12:42] hun7er_ (i=hun7er@ssh.bshellz.net) joined ##slackware. [12:42] hello [12:43] I have a problem with Slackware bootup logo :< [12:43] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [12:43] hun7er_: what problem do you have? [12:43] can anybody help me? I tried to set vga to 791 in lilo.conf (somebody told me it can change something) and nothing happened. [12:43] spook: looks like some colors are inverted [12:44] I have no idea why. [12:44] hey seems i have something wrong with persmisions out here ... when trying show fonts in kde4->system-setting-> font-installer under kde I got msgBox: erro cannot load font. For all fonts installed. [12:44] it's Slackware 13 and Tuz logo. [12:44] Nick change: hun7er_ -> hun7er [12:45] benagain (n=benagain@ResNet-32-143.resnet.ucsb.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:45] hun7er: can your videocard/framebuffer driver support vga mode 791? [12:45] paul424: can you provide some version information? [12:45] I have no idea, but I think that it is able to handle it [12:45] it's Radeon HD4850 [12:46] hun7er: having no idea, then saying i think it can, isnt what i'm looking for. find out for sure :) [12:47] benagain (n=benagain@ResNet-32-143.resnet.ucsb.edu) left irc: Client Quit [12:47] kk, give me a minute. [12:47] I use the 4.3.4 kde from current repository [12:49] paul424: is the rest of your system -current ? [12:49] jailbox (n=laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [12:49] spook: yes. Almost ... with few user application ... which wouldn't affect that ... maybe besides compiz. [12:50] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:50] strange [12:50] I cannot find anywhere how many colors it can handle [12:50] oO [12:50] Axius (n=fd@92.82.64.89) joined ##slackware. [12:51] hun7er: not what i was looking for. suggest you read up on what the vga line does in lilo [12:52] sorry, but I don't understand... you mean what was the default value in vga line in lilo.conf ? [12:52] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:52] the highest possible value was 791. [12:52] and the default was... [12:52] do you understand what the vga line does? no? go read up on it. [12:53] I know, I know. [12:53] it decides about the recolution and colors [12:54] 791 is 1024x768 and 64k colors. [12:54] Acquiesce (n=sixx@212.183.140.20) joined ##slackware. [12:54] so... does it only work for lilo console? [12:54] The vesa framebuffer driver does not always work at all resolutions and depths with all video cards. [12:55] And, in addition, if you are using the proprietary AMD drivers, it's generally advisable not to use any framebuffer driver. [12:55] i probably should have mentioned that earlier... 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[13:46] paul424: afaik, yeah, that'll work [13:47] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:47] tooly (n=tooly@e178138081.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [13:49] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:50] tuxdev (n=tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:51] i wonder what horrible things does ubuntu/debian do to screen. it starts bash instead of zsh... [13:52] sahk0: i personally thought screen started your preferred shell [13:52] that makes two of us. ive been using the same configs for years. first time ive seen that [13:53] mac- (i=mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:53] sahk0: in all honesty, i haven't seen a reason to dump bash for zsh, but... [13:53] hi there .. [13:53] sahk0: but that's a matter of personal preference [13:53] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:53] although it might not be patches etc but some preconfigured option , somewhere i dont mean to investigate [13:53] i am having a real pain with slackware64 on a vaio laptop .. [13:54] getting too many kernel panics [13:54] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.86.45.177) joined ##slackware. [13:54] error_developer_: are you using a stock kernel or a custom one? [13:54] hm.. one suspition i've got is about reiserfs (3.6) on /home [13:54] and what do the kernel panics say? [13:54] nyRednek: well, yeah a cutom one [13:54] error_developer_: try a stock kernel [13:55] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-14-172.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:55] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [13:55] error_developer_: yes, try the kernels shipped by slackware. [13:55] Camarade_Tux: well it usualy heppends behind the kde bollocks, you know [13:55] ERROR: Can't make output package in current directory. [13:55] it's my girlfriends laptop [13:55] error_developer_: how od you know it's a panic? flashing keyboard? [13:55] upps I mean thats the eror I get using the slackbuild on root ,whats wrong [13:56] i am using slackware64-current and the kernel sources from -13.0 [13:56] Camarade_Tux: yeep [13:56] Stanto (i=Stanto@cpc1-newc7-0-0-cust318.gate.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: [13:56] as ive said ..i am suspecting reiserfs [13:56] which is on /home [13:56] which graphic card? and driver? [13:57] _piggy_ (n=afu@buzzcut.cba.ua.edu) joined ##slackware. [13:57] error_developer_: again, do the panics go away with a stock kernel? [13:57] error_developer_: well, try running without /home umounted and see if it still happens? [13:57] i managed to get rid of reiserfs earlier ..for example when i tried to install debian and didn't like it, i had some obvious signs of reiserfs causing panik [13:57] maybe umount /home, mount /dev/XXXX /mnt/tmp, cp -a /mnt/tmp/user/ /home, umount /mnt/tmp [13:58] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: K-lined [13:58] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [13:58] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:58] i am trying to confirm weather ANYONE HAD A TROUBLE with reiserfs and a kernel >=2.6.29 ? [14:00] <_piggy_> Anybody know why linuxpackages.net seems to not have packages for slack 13? [14:00] _piggy_: because they never had good packages to start with [14:00] _piggy_: i've seen some 13.0 there .. [14:01] <_piggy_> lol [14:01] Action: nyRednek /troll [14:01] <_piggy_> hmmm well I'm not seeing them for some reason. I can find lower versions though [14:02] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-14-172.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:02] 13.0 is still new enough that they may not have caught up since LP.net is user supported 3rd party packages [14:02] _piggy_: in all honesty, i haven't seen LP put forward anything that proves themselves useful as a package repo...if anything, slacky.eu is a better binary repo [14:02] the stock hernel is missing one thing for me .. the GPT partition map support [14:03] error_developer_: slackware-current kernel is what you need then [14:03] <_piggy_> nyrednek: ah thanks. Will check it out [14:03] _piggy_: but if you want my advice, use SBo and roll your own... [14:04] <_piggy_> I thought maybe it had something to do with new package format [14:04] i had opensuse on that machine at the beging, and i opted GPT then ... [14:04] at least sbo doesn't put in unneeded dependencies :) [14:04] hm ..current is 2.6.32 [14:04] <_piggy_> nyrednek: Sbo? [14:04] slackbuilds.org [14:04] and compiled two of then the .29 and .32 one [14:05] <_piggy_> camarade_tux: ah thanks [14:05] i couldn't get the ATI fireGL driver to copile on .32 [14:08] s/compile/link/ [14:08] i imagine that ati driver could cause the panics to ..but i'm hoping that it doesn't [14:08] no, ATI is notoriously slow at adapting to kernel changes [14:09] but Mesa support is really moving with wrt ATI, so we may soonish not even need their blob [14:10] yeah, i got the latest driver which came out at the end of last month [14:10] and should hopefully work fine with 2.6.29 [14:11] the biggest problem is that my girlfriend is begging windows .. [14:11] from what i figured xp won't even have all the drivers for this laptop .. [14:12] driverpacks.net if you're ready to spend some time on that [14:12] no guarantee though [14:13] yeah.. there are a few rare pieces of hardware that only have Vista drivers [14:13] more and more actually [14:13] troys (n=troys@h-68-165-100-2.dnvtco56.static.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:13] especially network cards [14:14] but if you ask google about the device id (in the special format you find them in in windows) and windows xp you usually get something good [14:16] hm .. [14:16] i really cannot be aased to do the windows job [14:16] Action: adamk happily uses an HD4850 withthe open source drivers. [14:16] the thing that would only accept installing winxp on and external hdd [14:16] but a usb one would be too slow [14:17] FW could be ok ..but ..but [14:17] adamk: fire up planeshift and lets see what happens :P [14:17] i am not where the laptop is, she is quite far away ATM [14:18] so installing windows on an external drive and not having the target host is virtually impossible [14:18] ( i mean suppose i could install it and post the hdd) [14:18] macavity: Don't have that particular one... But the apps I want work fine... ut2004, openarena, nexuiz, neverball, compiz, blender, morrowind (via wine). [14:19] ut2k4 and morrowing? really nice :-) [14:19] adamk: wow.. i am amazed [14:19] adamk: i didnt know they were *that* far [14:20] It's quite impressive. [14:20] are you using the gallium build? [14:20] There are still some issues with shaders, and a few functions that aren't accelerated. [14:20] There is no r600g driver, so no :-) [14:20] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:21] gallium3d is only supported on r300-r500 hardware at the moment. [14:21] However, opengl 2.0 is supported on r600/r700 via the mesa driver. [14:21] someone went through a lot of trouble to get you that support then... that code is intended to be thrown away [14:22] Nah, not thrown away. Re-used in gallium eventually. [14:22] negatory [14:22] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-185-093.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:22] Besides, it will be quite a while before any distribution actually ships with gallium3d enabled. [14:23] i have studied mesa vs gallium architecture quite a bit.. and all the hardware specific parts of classic mesa goes out the window as soon as there is a gallium driver for the chip/board [14:23] AMD felt it would be best to push the r600 driver forward using Mesa and get it to people *now*. [14:23] good call AMD :-) [14:23] Even if they can't use the code, it's hardly a waste. [14:23] i should buy AMD next time [14:24] espectially considering how fantastic a job Intel has done at locking me out of my own machine on this one [14:24] gyroscope (n=master@85.98.70.215) joined ##slackware. [14:24] macavity: lol, what happened? [14:24] Of course, fglrx is still faster when it comes to 3D, and will likely remain that way for the not-too-distant (and even the distant) future. [14:26] macavity, didn't you upgrade things? [14:26] thrice`: never got to it [14:26] Alright, time to get going. [14:26] thrice`: i started working on flashrom/coreboot instead :P [14:26] freelibrary (n=notRoot@e176079088.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:27] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-185-093.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:27] mmhm [14:27] freelibrary (n=notRoot@e176079088.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Client Quit [14:27] psYcker (n=psy@201.156.108.196) joined ##slackware. [14:28] macavity: so, what was the problem? [14:28] Camarade_Tux: 1) they have played all the tricks in the book to prevent me from talking to the EC, and thus getting to the flash chip, which is on the other side [14:28] EC? [14:28] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:28] embedded controller [14:29] you probably know them as "windbond" [14:29] though mine is an ITE [14:29] I don't really understand: what were you trying to do? [14:29] i want to replace my BIOS with coreboot [14:29] zecareuniao (n=zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) left irc: "POF!" [14:29] Linux_isHard (n=n33dLinu@adsl-69-110-12-97.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: [14:30] anyhow, 2) they did a shining good job at obfuscating the flash-enable-vector code in my current BIOS [14:30] (i have a "Verified by Intel" BIOS) [14:31] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-44-38.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [14:31] so ok ..hm [14:31] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [14:31] i am just thinking how can i get to see the panic-OOPS ? [14:31] and 3) they used some kind of quasi-crypto-hash-alike crap on the EC microcode so i have no idea what state it is in when i actually get to it [14:31] isn't there ieee1394 technique ..? [14:32] serial or firewire? and which graphic driver are you using? [14:32] error_developer_: SysRq doesnt work? [14:36] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:37] macavity: how is it supposed to work? [14:37] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-82-59.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:37] (re: earlier question about raid 5 being stopped on reboot/halt) It turns out rc.6 doesn't rum mdadm --stop, however there is a message "md: stopping all md devices" when rebooting. Is this the correct way to have /dev/md0 stopped when the system goes down? [14:37] uhm.. i actually dont know exactly [14:38] hi im reading another book on linux, and it says if i install a new hardware and it's not likely to be detected by linux, i can use the command depmod -a to install the drivers. are they referring to devices that are not plug and play? [14:38] you are supposed to press SysRq + some letter [14:38] In fact, "grep -rn mdadm /etc/*" shows nothing. [14:38] when the two leds are flashing i didn't seem to get any response from the keyboard [14:38] only power button usually works! [14:38] to get a debug console kinda thingie in BIOS character mode [14:38] hm .. [14:38] interesting .. [14:39] error_developer_: i belive that SysRq + $RIGHT_KEY_COMBO will *always* work [14:39] alkos333 (n=alkos333@173-109-186-80.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:39] macavity: so i just need to press SysRq when i get a kernel panic [14:39] ? [14:39] google the exact combos available [14:39] ComputerNoobie, no, that won't do anything [14:40] macavity: wikipedia has them ;-) [14:40] Camarade_Tux: please read the manual page on depmod [14:40] eek [14:40] Action: Camarade_Tux slaps macavity [14:40] ComputerNoobie: please read the manual page on depmod [14:41] ComputerNoobie: ...and burn that book (unless you simply misunderstood what it said) [14:41] ComputerNoobie: uhm, what *year* is that book from?!? [14:41] and does it say "Microsoft Press" somewhere on the cover? [14:42] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:42] its pretty new [14:43] aah [14:43] hah [14:43] its a book to study for red hat engineering certification [14:43] does it say more than just "plug it in, run depmod" ? [14:43] yeah [14:43] the exact quote is this [14:43] i probably misunderstood [14:43] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: No route to host [14:43] heres the exact quote from teh book: "Most hardware modules are automatically detected. If youve just installed new undetected hardware, you could issue the following command: depmod -a, this wil scan through your modules, find different dependancies for all installed modules and map them out to a file (modules.dep). This command also creates a number of other files in the lib/modules/'uname -r'/ dir [14:43] "once you have installed the new hardware *and the driver* run depmod" [14:43] ohh [14:44] ok, that is some serius misleading crap [14:44] just read the manpage for depmod and you will be enlightened [14:44] ok [14:44] let me tell you the book name [14:45] same answer in both channels: that paragraph is only partially correct [14:45] Red Hat Certified Engineer LinuxStudy Guide fifth Edition [14:45] it's by Michael Jang [14:46] what book do you guys recommend to get more understanding for linux? [14:46] slackbook? :P [14:46] ComputerNoobie: i don't know of a single book that would cover everything you could possibly want to know [14:46] i dont know what RH does to their kernels, but depmod is only supposed to create one file: /lib/modules/2.6.32.2-smp/modules.dep [14:46] brbrbr (n=Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [14:46] Camarade_Tux: that book will teach you RedHat [14:47] agh fsck [14:47] ComputerNoobie: ^^ [14:47] Action: Camarade_Tux kicks macavity in the nuts [14:47] unix system administration handbook is quite nice [14:47] now we are talking [14:47] as the old old old expression goes, use redhat if you want to learn redhat, use slackware if you want to learn linux [14:47] right. because depmod -a is only for redhat [14:47] what about the LFS book? [14:47] =P [14:47] oh ok [14:47] im not using redhat, im using slackware [14:47] doing LFS would be more helpful than reading a book on it imo [14:48] ComputerNoobie: i'd say it applies to redhat documentation [14:48] but im just trying to learn about it since the industry mostly uses it i would assume [14:48] ok [14:48] macavity: and you're wrong in saying that depmod -a writes only to that one file. [14:48] ananke: "This command also creates a number of other files in the ...."... which? [14:48] a book labeled redhat is probably going to teach you redhat. [14:48] im just assuming it all carries over with each other to a degree [14:48] i guess not :) [14:48] ananke: in that case the manpage is wrong.. which sucks equally hard :P [14:48] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.90.217) joined ##slackware. [14:48] macavity: ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.* [14:49] ComputerNoobie: it carries in some directions better than others [14:49] there are a lot of subtle differences between distros [14:49] s/subtle/annoying [14:49] spook: by that logic, if you learn slackware you're learning slackware [14:50] _piggy_ (n=afu@buzzcut.cba.ua.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [14:50] RHCE materials are vastly about linux in general, and are not redhat specific [14:50] ananke: yes, but its not as true as it is for other distros, since slackware stays close to upstream [14:50] damn [14:51] everyone but modules.order [14:51] ananke: i agree, but they are going to include redhat specific things along with the generic stuff. [14:51] spook: with the exception of package management which is not used by many other distros, init scripts which aren't used by many major distros, and so on. [14:51] Jack Bauer can crack a password in less than one minute. [14:51] i thought thats chloe's job [14:51] spook: such as? [14:52] _piggy_ (n=afu@buzzcut.cba.ua.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:52] Azeotrope: Chuck Norris can just tell a computer to obey [14:52] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:52] macavity: indeed. quite a few files [14:52] Chuck Norris is obsolete. Gandpa. [14:52] manual page needs update [14:52] who the fsck is Gandpa? [14:53] Chuck Norris talks about himself in ##slackware-offtopic and so should you. [14:53] And Chloe's job is to input the password. Jack Bauer doesn't waste time with that crap [14:53] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:53] sounds like Ghandi dressed up as a Panda [14:53] _piggy_ (n=afu@buzzcut.cba.ua.edu) left irc: Client Quit [14:53] and the number of those files has increased. for example modules.seriomap or modules.ofmap [14:53] are 'kernal modules' and 'drivers' used interchangably? [14:53] or are they completely different [14:53] yes and no. [14:54] sirslacker (i=1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: "leaving" [14:54] but as a beginner can i just assume drivers [14:54] when reading 'kernal modules' [14:54] a module contains one or more drivers, but a module isnt exactly a driver. [14:54] ComputerNoobie: very often yes. a module usually represents a single driver, while not every driver has to be a single module [or module at all] [14:54] there are modules that dont have any drivers. [14:54] a driver is a driver.. but if it is not compiled in to the kernel image itself it is called a kernel module [14:54] sirslacker (i=1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [14:54] oh ok [14:55] also as sook says, there are modules/drivers that arent actually drivers in the hardware sense [14:55] like, a kernel module whith an ISO-whatever character map [14:55] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [14:55] think of kernel modules as discreet pieces of compiled code that can be plugged into a running kernel. [14:56] kernel-plug-ins :P [14:56] and the discreet pieces of compiled code can be a lot of different things, include device drivers [14:56] or file system drivers [14:56] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:56] or debugging tools [14:56] or networking stuff, like netfilter/iptables [14:57] or virtualisation, like kvm [14:57] ComputerNoobie: run 'modprobe -l' and you'll get a list of currently available modules. look at their names and locations, they will tell you a lot. additionally, 'modinfo ' will tell you more details [14:57] ok ..so, the question is still about the reiserfs [14:57] basically: an operating system component for $WHATEVER purpose that can be loaded on demand [14:57] error_developer_: what question? [14:58] error_developer_: can you really trust your files with... [14:58] sirslacker (i=1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Client Quit [14:58] Action: macavity gibslaps spook :P [14:58] getting a kernel-panic while using a bloody firefox couldn't realted to anything else but a filesystem of the home directory [14:58] error_developer_: actually, it could be related to video drivers [14:59] clean the blood off the firefox first [14:59] Action: spook ducks [14:59] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.86.45.177) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:59] sirslacker (i=1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [14:59] error_developer_: you never told me which graphic driver you were using [14:59] spook: use my browser ;-) [14:59] i am pretty sure that reiser is not maintened since the original author is not around .. [15:00] Camarade_Tux: i'll stick to my browser that isnt written in ocaml [15:00] So? Lack of maintenance doesn't instantly break everything [15:00] error_developer_: that has nothing to do with your problem. [15:00] spook: prefer a python one? ;-) [15:00] Camarade_Tux: ati driver ..is there many of them ..well it's the latest version "Catalyst 9.12" it is called .. [15:00] error_developer_: all these guys are idiots, you're right. just because its unmaintained means its magically going to break now. [15:00] for the radeon HD [15:01] bzsa (n=bzsa@host-88-132-3-171.prtelecom.hu) joined ##slackware. [15:01] reiser-not-latest-unmerged is maintained [15:01] spook: so you agree with me? [15:01] now, fglrx is more likely to break [15:01] error_developer_: no, i'm making fun of you. [15:01] and yes, you can debug with firewire/ieee1384 [15:01] spook: that's what i thought [15:02] error_developer_: if you honestly feel it's a problem with /home filesystem, run firefox as root [15:02] the problem now is that kernel.sysrq = 0 be default .. [15:03] or from any other user. chances of you hitting the same bad location on /home is very low [15:03] hm, may be not in slackware ..can anyone confirm? [15:03] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:03] Axius (n=fd@92.82.64.89) left irc: "leaving" [15:04] why don't you check for yourself? sysctl kernel.sysrq [15:04] or move home to another partition [15:04] oobe (n=satan@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:04] corretico__ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [15:04] sysrq is enabled by default in slackware [15:04] well, afaict [15:05] and tried -current's kernel? [15:05] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [15:06] shyko (n=shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: "time to go" [15:07] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:07] ananke: i'd run konqueror as the same user btw [15:07] dtanner (n=dtanner@adsl-75-54-85-153.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [15:07] spook: it's not too funny [15:07] error_developer_: and? [15:07] If I have a file with many lines but only several unique variations, is there a command or string of commands that can delete the duplicate lines? [15:07] fatherx (i=1000@abraham.sh.cvut.cz) left irc: "Leaving" [15:08] error_developer_: not for your perhaps. [15:08] ccfreak2k, uniq [15:08] if you're using the shell [15:08] ccfreak2k: sort -u [15:08] cat file | uniq > file [15:08] Which I am. [15:09] uniq works perfectly. [15:12] ccfreak2k: coreutils has a truck load of these little nifty dudes [15:12] sort, tsort, shuf, etcetera [15:14] MrEntropy (n=M@smarts6.lnk.telstra.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] yo [15:14] I'm familiar with sort because I learned it in UNIX 101. [15:14] how do i configure my keyboard layout? I know it was in the setup program, but am unsure how to reconfigure this. [15:14] tsort is pretty nifty too [15:15] MrEntropy: look at /etc/rc.d/rc.keymap [15:15] MrEntropy: pkgtool setupscripts ? [15:15] macavity, does it sort by when a line first appears? [15:15] cool, thank you both [15:16] ccfreak2k: it does topological sort... you give it pairs of input and it will list them (if possible) so that the right hand side values are mentioned before they are mentioned on the left hand side [15:16] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-134-185.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:17] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@adsl-69-110-12-97.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:17] macavity, there is no rc.keymap and no package that installs it [15:18] That's above my understanding then. [15:19] wow.. where the hell does it come from then [15:19] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:19] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [15:19] I get using the slackbuild on root: ERROR: Can't make output package in current directory. err can I trace which line of the script caused that error ? [15:19] InspectorCluseau (i=0@64.238.225.37) joined ##slackware. [15:20] MrEntropy: it is mentioned in rc.M and rc.K, so if you create it and set it executable it will run at boot [15:20] rc.keymap is created at install [15:20] if [ -x /usr/bin/loadkeys ]; then /usr/bin/loadkeys dk-latin1.map [15:20] fi [15:20] it's just: if [ -x /usr/bin/loadkeys ]; then... [15:20] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-208-54.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:21] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [15:23] MrEntropy (n=M@smarts6.lnk.telstra.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:23] corretico__ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:25] hey please help me :) [15:25] brbrbr (n=Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:25] Nobody can help you if you don't say what you need help with. [15:26] paul424: you dont have write permissions in the output directory [15:26] psYcker (n=psy@201.156.108.196) left irc: Client Quit [15:26] but I do that as a root [15:26] doh, I didn't see his above statement, sorry paul424 [15:26] paul424: did you become root as su - and not just su ? [15:26] psYcker (n=psy@201.156.108.196) joined ##slackware. [15:27] only as su [15:27] then you are not really root [15:27] actually I think that error message gets called for any kind of failure, not just permissions. Most common cause is probably "disk full" (and if you look, you should see whatever the error message is) [15:27] if you su, you really are root [15:27] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:27] one of the few differences is "su -" gives you root's path [15:27] kozandr (n=kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:28] i.e. $PATH [15:28] but usually the user's $PATH has */sbin/* so that's not normally going to cause problems [15:28] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.254.128.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:28] if you just "su" you should have write permissions to everything if you are root [15:28] hmm the kde says there's 520 mb of free disk space left [15:29] which greatly exceeds the size of package I want to build [15:29] kozandr (n=kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [15:29] Delahunt: on a stock slackware setup, users won't have the sbin dirs in $PATH unless they've got a .bash_profile or such to add them (the system profile doesn't)... but I think this isn't his problem, slackbuild scripts generall call /sbin/makepkg directly [15:29] /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/lib/java/bin:/usr/lib/kde4/libexec:/usr/lib/qt/bin:/usr/share/texmf/bin:. [15:29] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: "lalala caindo fora" [15:29] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [15:29] ok then disregard, when you su root you get root's path [15:31] paul424: instead of us playing 20 questions, could you maybe pastebin the output of your slackbuild script? (whole thing) [15:32] I'm not to my 2nd cup of coffee yet, so my Jedi powers are weak... [15:35] http://codepad.org/OMHrkQAB [15:35] brbrbr (n=Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [15:37] hm. that ERROR: stuff is from makepkg, usually when that happens there's another system-generated error message, but not here... [15:38] where does msftfonts.SlackBuild come from? (don't see it on slackbuilds.org) [15:39] http://beej.us/slackware/msftfonts/msftfonts.SlackBuild [15:44] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.225.8.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:44] and ? [15:45] sorry, got called away for a minute, back now [15:46] eh, I see this: PACKAGEDEST=/tmp/build # final resting place of package [15:46] and this: mv $BUILDDEST/$PACKAGENAME $PACKAGEDEST [15:46] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:47] but nowhere do I see a "mkdir $PACKAGEDEST". Which looks like a bug, but not the one causing your problem (the script bombs out at the makepkg call, before the mv) [15:48] mkdir -p $BUILDBASE $BUILDDEST [15:49] will incidentally create /tmp/build, but it still looks like the script would break if PACKAGEDEST were changed. Shrug. [15:49] so makepkg is just a shell script, y'know. In this line: makepkg -l y -c y $PACKAGENAME [15:50] you could change "makepkg" to "sh -x /sbin/makepkg", to trace what commands are being executed [15:53] or, run the script as-is, and when it fails, you could "cd /tmp/build/msftfonts/dest" and you could do the "sh -x /sbin/makepkg" stuff (and generally just examine the files it's trying to package) [15:54] need a confiramtion only, i upgraded the kernel, and changed the lilo.conf and fstab to sda and so on! [15:55] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-185-093.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:55] so i need to know that the changes will come after rebooting, and the lilo's fatal error is cuzed by not yet changed dirve names [15:55] am i right? [15:55] sirslacker: look here for docs: http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/robbys-libata-switchover-howto/ [15:55] Urchlay: will do, tanx1 [15:56] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-14-172.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:56] sirslacker: if lilo errored out it errored out [15:56] sirslacker: as in, no update has happened [15:56] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [15:57] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:57] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-14-172.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:57] macavity (n=macavity@212088073003.static.sonofon.dk) left irc: "leaving" [15:57] macavity: i think i should reboot, and lilo would see the new names of devices! or? [15:57] nope [15:58] if you've upgraded the kernel and haven't successfully run lilo, you aren't able to reboot [15:58] yarvin (n=yarvin@66.58.217.49) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:58] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.254.128.dyn.user.ono.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:58] as in, the lilo bootloader will fail, on the next boot (and you'll need to boot from the install CD or something, to get back into your system) [15:59] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [16:00] Urchlay: you are right! it is the last part on the documention! it means i did something wrong! [16:00] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [16:01] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.52.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:01] I do wonder why the Install kernel still uses the old HD names given the current trajectory of things. [16:02] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:02] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:02] downwater (i=1000@ram94-8-88-165-232-7.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:02] slackware's slow to change stuff like that, probably PV only got rid of libata in the new kernel because he had to for some reason (bug, or compile problem) [16:03] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:03] er, sorry, s/got rid of/switched completely to/ [16:03] (libata being the new, not the old...) [16:03] Well, putting udev in the install boot strikes me as a bigger switch. [16:03] ardya (i=ardy@unaffiliated/ardya) joined ##slackware. [16:03] I thought he added libata last week with the .32.3 kernel [16:04] ok [16:04] chopp: ping [16:04] downwater (i=1000@ram94-8-88-165-232-7.fbx.proxad.net) left ##slackware. [16:04] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:04] I think I've had libata on all my homebrew kernels save for the firewall since 2008. [16:04] fatalnix (n=Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) left irc: Excess Flood [16:05] alisonken1home: libata's been there for a few years, but up until the latest patches/ kernel, it wasn't used for parallel ATA devices [16:05] fatalnix (n=Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) joined ##slackware. [16:05] But it could be I think. [16:05] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.48.80) left irc: "leaving" [16:05] (AFAIK, libata is the only way to support SATA drives in Linux) [16:05] fatalnix (n=Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) left irc: Excess Flood [16:05] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [16:06] fatalnix (n=Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) joined ##slackware. [16:06] fatalnix (n=Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) left irc: Excess Flood [16:06] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [16:06] fatalnix (n=Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) joined ##slackware. [16:06] fatalnix (n=Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) left irc: Excess Flood [16:07] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) left ##slackware. [16:07] fatalnix (n=Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) joined ##slackware. [16:07] ok, that's a bit annoying [16:07] dErFz (n=derf@pwnflakes.lobbyzffs.com) joined ##slackware. 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[16:15] ardya: pong [16:15] I'm trying to hack better icons for iconized windows, and I'm not completely sure how I want to do it. [16:15] chopp: can I msg you [16:16] sure but I use whitelist, so I'll msg you [16:16] ok [16:17] If WM_ICON isn't set, you get this ugly square thing, and it can't be overridden by a config. I want to change that, but how to represent WM_WINDOW_ROLE, WM_NAME, WM_ICON_NAME, and WM_CLASS is something giving me doubts. [16:17] zalost (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:18] Fortunately, the window icon code's about 1100 lines of C, and the supporting routines are easy enough to understand, but I need to design something sane. [shudder] [16:18] I don't do sane well. ;-) [16:19] ardya: you going to answer that query errrr what? ;) [16:20] I did [16:20] sent 4 lines [16:20] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [16:20] fx your broken scrit :) [16:21] still not getting my responses? [16:22] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-14-172.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:22] Urchlay: ok I have found the condition which breakes it , but does not say anything to me http://codepad.org/eFDBlHDZ [16:22] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [16:24] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [16:24] IceChant (n=icechant@94.159.226.138) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:24] Nick change: [OpenSys] -> OpenSys [16:27] OTILLAF (n=nnscript@93-34-52-226.ip48.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [16:27] nvision (n=nvision@g225060208.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [16:28] ahh, that's not a permissions error, that's makepkg refusing to create the package in the directory you're trying to make a package from [16:28] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-82-59.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [16:29] it indicates the slackbuild script was written a while ago, tested with an older version of makepkg that didn't include this check (and I don't know whether the check is really needed: tar itself will skip the archive it's creating...) [16:30] change this line: makepkg -l y -c y $PACKAGENAME [16:30] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.71.44) left irc: Client Quit [16:30] to something like: makepkg -l y -c y /tmp/$PACKAGENAME [16:31] or maybe: makepkg -l y -c y $PACKAGEDEST/$PACKAGENAME [16:31] and get rid of the "mv $BUILDDEST/$PACKAGENAME $PACKAGEDEST [16:33] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) left irc: "=" [16:34] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [16:35] toytoy (n=dindin@222.127.248.89) joined ##slackware. [16:38] bzsa (n=bzsa@host-88-132-3-171.prtelecom.hu) left irc: Client Quit [16:39] alphad (n=alphad@41.207.31.114) joined ##slackware. [16:43] InspectorCluseau (i=0@64.238.225.37) left irc: [16:44] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-82-59.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:44] substanc1v (n=substanc@1-18-132-169.idt.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:49] didymo (n=ashley@198.48.0.18) joined ##slackware. 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[17:11] can anyone tell me what i'm doing wrong http://bin.paste.ca/388kdk284.html [17:11] yeah. don't open it folks [17:14] oreoh (i=oreo@67.202.105.76) left irc: "leaving" [17:15] that was fast [17:15] :) [17:16] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:17] looks good in links -g [17:17] AlexElliott (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: K-lined [17:19] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.1-dev"). [17:20] is that the freenode hack page? [17:21] does it work in FF on Linux ? [17:21] sdrv (n=notRoot@e176085013.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [17:24] adaptr: I've read reports that it does. [17:24] that's some strong javascript voodoo, then [17:25] might be interesting to test it in a vbox [17:25] yes, it works in ff on linux [17:26] fails in links -g (have to actually go look for the link that tries to make the irc connection) [17:26] The_ManU_212 (n=manu@port-92-200-56-78.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [17:27] The_ManU_212 (n=manu@port-92-200-56-78.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:28] and its not even ipv6 aware [17:28] lame. [17:30] The-spiki (n=spiki@77-105-33-215.dialup.sezampro.yu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:31] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [17:32] echtts (n=echtts@187.78.164.163) joined ##slackware. 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[17:48] mquin (i=mike@freenode/staff/mquin) got netsplit. [17:48] Urchlay: :))) no i didnt not reboot! i tpye lilo to see what happend! [17:48] and as befor, it has told me fatal error! [17:48] sQuEE (n=narya@host131.190-30-14.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [17:48] hm, does the evil h4x0r link work in firefox on linux with javascript disabled, then? :) [17:49] sirslacker: are you in fact using software RAID? (you'll know if you are, cause you would have had to set it up) [17:49] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:50] echtts (n=echtts@187.78.164.163) left irc: Client Quit [17:50] slack install wont detect previously configged raid? [17:50] ardya: it should [17:50] ok, I read that wrong then [17:50] sorry [17:51] is that means that lilo test shouldnt give me this error, if every things is correct? [17:51] I just meant, the slackware installer doesn't create RAID devices for you, so if he's using RAID, he ought to know it [17:51] moshtaghi (n=mehdi@78.38.99.3) joined ##slackware. [17:52] Urchlay: nod, I read too quickly [17:52] my fault [17:53] sirslacker: yeah, if it gave you a fatal error, something's wrong. Are you using software RAID? (If not, I'm puzzled as to why you'd get that error...) [17:53] no i dont! [17:53] odd. Can you pastebin your lilo.conf? [17:54] mquin (i=mike@freenode/staff/mquin) got lost in the net-split. [17:54] wait [17:54] append=" vt.default_utf8=1" [17:54] boot = /dev/sda [17:54] no, don't paste the whole thing in here, use a site like www.pastebin.ca [17:54] *blink* [17:54] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:55] ok [17:55] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [17:55] sorry i didnt see that [17:55] wait [17:56] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: K-lined [17:56] whoa, what happen there? [17:56] http://www.pastebin.ca/1756707 [17:57] he probably tried that stupid url [17:58] what is happend? [17:59] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-82-59.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [17:59] mquin (i=mike@freenode/staff/mquin) joined ##slackware. [18:00] Urchlay: There's been bots, etc posting links, if people click them, it spams freenode and they get k-lined. [18:00] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.86.45.177) joined ##slackware. [18:02] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:02] corretico_ (n=laguilar@216.194.173.25) joined ##slackware. [18:03] corretico__ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [18:04] sirslacker: OK, so you have "boot = /dev/sda", I assume that's the new name for your boot drive, which is currently called "/dev/hda"? [18:04] I see one problem, not related to this: line 63: root = /dev/root [18:04] before that it was hda [18:04] that won't work (at least, I highly doubt it could possibly work) [18:05] and what is wrong with line 63? [18:05] i didnt change that! let me see my backup [18:05] the "root = " needs to point to a real device, not /dev/root... or maybe I'm wrong, it sure looks fishy to me [18:06] there is also like this here! [18:06] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [18:06] OK, leave it alone, maybe I'm wrong about line 63 [18:06] in fstab i made the changes too! [18:07] now that you have "boot = /dev/sda", did you follow the last step of the howto, or did you just type "lilo"? [18:07] no i did so [18:07] i changed fstab [18:07] what'd you use? "lilo -v -b /dev/hda"? [18:07] and i did this lilo -v -b .... [18:07] i use /dev/hda [18:07] what's the ....? [18:08] and after that i did lilo [18:08] anyone familiar with php? I'm getting a few erros like: Call to undefined function ctype_digit() [18:08] and it gave back that fatal error [18:08] wait, you ran "lilo -v -b /dev/hda", and it worked OK? and then you ran "lilo" with no arguments? Why would you do that? [18:08] Kaapa: missing ctype support is my bet [18:09] "lilo -v -b /dev/hda" is the last step, you don't run "lilo" again after that [18:09] ardya: from what I've read, it's there by default in php > 4 [18:09] lilo without any arrgument give me the possbility to see that if it has any problem or not! [18:09] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-82-59.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:09] paa: phpinfo() and see. [18:10] no, lilo without any arguments will fail miserably, because lilo.conf tells it to install the bootloader on a device that doesn't exist yet (/dev/sda). The -b /dev/hda part means "override the boot= in the config file, use /dev/hda instead" [18:10] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-82-59.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [18:10] so [18:10] i asked the same things for an hour [18:11] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:11] i asked that lilo should see the changes or not! so as you told me now, it need a reboot after the last step! [18:11] sirslacker: sorry, I didn't know you were following the howto and then running lilo again afterwards [18:12] oops [18:12] when you ran "lilo -v -b /dev/hda", did it work OK, or did you get a fatal error? [18:12] i understand it yet! you write, it is not a test possbility! i it runs lilo again! [18:12] right* [18:13] just 2 warnings [18:13] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.74.118) joined ##slackware. [18:13] Warning: Ignoring entry 'boot' [18:13] one of which was probably "LBA32 addressing assumed", which you can almost certainly ignore [18:13] Warning: LBA32 addressing assumed [18:13] yes [18:13] yeah, "ignoring entry 'boot'" because you gave the -b parameter (which tells it to ignore it... no problem there) [18:14] so than i will reboot it [18:14] you should be able to reboot it safely [18:14] packeteer (n=zed@203.36.227.227) joined ##slackware. [18:14] hopfully i come back, and i will thank you for that link and this confirmation [18:15] in case it somehow doesn't boot, make sure you've got some other way to boot (usb stick or install dvd) [18:15] ardya: --enable-ctype=shared, that's wat phpinfo sais [18:16] i didnt hav any medium to burn the slackware yet, in if it not works, i will do it tomorrow at work! [18:16] so [18:16] zalost (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:16] thank you for everything! i will come back again! [18:16] sirslacker (i=1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: "leaving" [18:16] make bootable usb and copy all the package content on it. 4gb flash has to be enough [18:17] Kaapa: and? [18:17] i was going to say dvd image + 4gb usb chip + unebootin...it works for newer hardware [18:17] (scroll down) [18:18] didymo (n=ashley@131.203.102.171) joined ##slackware. [18:18] ardya: what should I be looking for? [18:19] ctype [18:19] just that [18:19] no more references [18:19] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:20] then its not enabled [18:21] because you should see at least two references to ctype in phpinfo() [18:21] should that be by default in a slackware system? [18:21] I see what you mean, found it in another phpinfo output (random one on the net) [18:21] one in the configure line, and a ctype section that states whether its enabled or not. [18:21] sirslacker (n=sirslack@tmo-098-178.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [18:21] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [18:22] ctype functions enabled [18:22] corretico_ (n=laguilar@216.194.173.25) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:22] So I have kenrel panic here! [18:23] ardya: fixed!! [18:23] cool! [18:23] I must have had an old php.ini [18:23] paa: what did you do? [18:23] err Kaapa [18:23] copied the php.ini-recommended over the old one [18:23] whatever works :) [18:24] moshtaghi (n=mehdi@78.38.99.3) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:24] Vfs: cannot open root device 301 or unknown block 3(,1 [18:24] I had to rebuild php pkg, they forgot pgsql, pdo-pgsql support [18:25] Any idea what I did wrond? [18:25] sirslacker: custom kernel? [18:25] forget the initrd? [18:25] No it was upgraded! [18:26] corretico__ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:26] It ask me to take the correct partition but don't let me to that here! [18:26] sirslacker: -current upgrade? [18:26] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:26] Yes! [18:27] add root=/dev/sda# to lilo boot [18:27] I did all changes fstab, lilo [18:27] Problem is how to boot up as it goes to kerenl panic [18:27] I mean at lilo boot time [18:27] I'm on on my android now [18:27] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:28] How can I do that as I boot? [18:28] dont you see the menu to choose that? [18:28] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [18:29] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:29] I see this slackware photo and have the possibility to chose linux [18:29] Anad going to lilo prompt [18:30] sirslacker, you didn't rebuild your initrd ? [18:30] sirslacker: why are you using -current when you dont seem to be able to handle it? [18:30] I think that I forget! [18:30] I know, right? [18:30] I didn't ever upgrade a kenrel that in that [18:31] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: "leaving" [18:31] I had to changes the name of my device! [18:31] you never need to when not using -current. [18:31] most of the time [18:31] And I'm using current since 4 years [18:31] and I thought thiw channel didnt support -current, due precisely to its lack of stability [18:31] ardya, what are you talking about? [18:32] Ok [18:32] -current is more stable than [18:32] Thank you for help [18:32] of course this channel supports -current; also, it's very stable [18:32] sirslacker, sure, good luck :) [18:32] ok, I thought I'd read the channel didnt [18:32] sirslacker: I just use cursor up/down to stop timer and then start typing [18:32] I did that! [18:32] It is realy funny here now! [18:34] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [18:35] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-208-54.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:37] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-209-15.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:38] didymo (n=ashley@131.203.102.171) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:38] OTILLAF (n=nnscript@93-34-52-226.ip48.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:39] didymo (n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [18:45] didymo (n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "ttfn" [18:49] kcnewslackuser (n=lfuser-6@75-121-89-192.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [18:50] telperion1 (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [18:51] telperion1 (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) left ##slackware. [18:51] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:51] kcnewslackuser (n=lfuser-6@75-121-89-192.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:53] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:55] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [18:56] I got this error when trying to run Renoise: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [18:56] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-209-15.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:57] dchmelik: you got cxxlibs installed, from the l/ set? [18:57] I have everything installed from l/ except for some portable device libraries [18:57] nyRednek_ (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:58] grep libstdc++.so.6 /var/adm/packages/* <--- that find anything? [18:58] d/ set [18:58] oh, is cxxlibs in d? [18:58] dchmelik: also pastebin.com the output of: ldconfig -p | grep libstdc++ [18:58] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:58] I have cxxlibs-6.0.10-x86_64-1 installed [18:59] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-209-15.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:59] I don't suppose your app is a 32-bit binary, is it? [18:59] yes [18:59] dchmelik: that's why. you got 64 bit slack installed [18:59] I guess [18:59] nyRednek_ (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [18:59] I thought fre'ds libraries worked [18:59] dchmelik: run: file /path/to/Renoise [18:59] "file" will tell you whether it's 32-bit or 64-bit ELF [19:00] fred's libs do work, if you actually have them installed... have you got a cxxlibs-compat32 type of package? [19:00] it says it is 32-bit [19:01] i think i have all of fred's libs installed [19:01] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:01] dchmelik: you never showed the output of ldconfig -p | grep libstdc++ [19:01] wait, i do not have them installed for some reason [19:01] funny how that works [19:01] hm, you know what, so do I, and I haven't got a 32-bit libstdc++.so.6 [19:01] that error does nto necccessarily mean that libstdc++.so.6 could not be found [19:01] it /can/ also mean that a file that libstdc++.so.6 links against could not be found [19:02] that command returned three 64-bit libraries, but of course renoise is 32-bit [19:02] gcc-g++-compat32-4.3.3-x86_64-2_slamd64 has "usr/lib/libstdc++.so..0.10", I'm guessing that double-dot is wrong [19:02] (anyway it ain't the ancient .6 version) [19:03] actually I do have gcc=g++-compat32 installed [19:03] yeah, but renoise is looking for a specific (old) version of libstdc++, that one wouldn't work (not ABI-compatible) [19:04] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [19:04] of course, it would be easier to debug if you provided the actual output of commands [19:04] heh its in a/ [19:04] I was wrong ;) [19:04] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: Client Quit [19:05] http://pastebin.com/d24a300f1 [19:05] ardya: yeah, I was guessing too. The "package location" line in /var/log/packages/* isn't all that useful really, if you do something like "cd slackware/a ; upgradepkg *.txz" [19:05] PACKAGE LOCATION: ./cxxlibs-6.0.10-x86_64-1.txz [19:05] PACKAGE LOCATION: /var/log/mount/slackware/a/cxxlibs-6.0.10-i486-1.txz [19:05] how very... helpful [19:05] I do not quite understand, Urchlay [19:06] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:06] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:06] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [19:06] hello [19:07] dchmelik: you need a 32-bit libstdc++.so.6, in some place like /usr/lib where the runtime linker can find it. It must be the .6 version, because the c++ standard lib has changed in incompatible ways, and the later (.10 or whatever) version cannot be used with programs built for the old .6 version [19:07] if you had the source, a recompile would fix it... but IIRC, renoise isn't open source [19:07] I thought you said a double dot was wrong... [19:08] alphad (n=alphad@41.207.31.114) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:08] it sounded like something was wrong with the compatibility package [19:08] yeah, I think it is, but it doesn't *matter* because it's too new of a library version to work for renoise (I was just mentioning it because fred was paying attention) [19:08] I'm getting a segmentation fault when I try to load audacious (audacious-1.5.1-x86_64-3) at the command line. has anyone had a similar problem? [19:08] renoise? the jack app? [19:08] I know it's not very helpful but I don't get very much helpful information from it :) [19:08] a music tracker app [19:09] it uses jack? [19:09] i do not know [19:09] the double-dot problem is with the newer version of the lib. I don't in fact see a libstdc++.so.6 in any of fred's -compat32 stuff that I have installed [19:09] also, is there a reason why audacious is frozen at 1.5.1 when the current version is 2.2.0? [19:10] did not alienBOB or someone make some new packages? [19:10] dchmelik: you could grab alienbob's -compat32 creator script and the 32-bit cxxlibs package from plain slackware, and make your own cxxlibs-compat32-6.0.10 pachage [19:10] cool, i will try that [19:11] alienbob AFAIK didn't make any compat32 packages, he wrote a script that makes them for you, from the 32-bit slack packages (I haven't used it, but he definitely knows what he's doing) [19:12] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:13] nevermind, guess I'll just use mpd. ;P [19:13] if anyone's got any ideas about audacious I'm still interested though [19:13] the readme sounds like I should use convertpkg-compat32 [19:13] godling, Pat and only Pat controls that [19:13] dchmelik: that sounds right. [19:14] mpd ftw [19:14] godling: if it's segfaulting, the first thing I'd do is strace it... which might or might not help [19:14] thrice`: I was kinda figuring that. :/ [19:14] man I always forget about strace [19:14] thanks Urchlay [19:14] as for why it's stuck at an old version, that I dunno (maybe the new versions require some gnome dep or something that Pat doesn't want to mess with?) [19:14] but don't worry, audacious2 sucks just as bad as 1.5 :> [19:15] lol [19:15] I'm sure [19:15] almsot everything sucks :( [19:15] for audio players, kinda [19:16] except mpd [19:16] ok, for audio clients * :) [19:16] not just audio players. ;P [19:16] been playing with a curses-based mp3 players called moc, it's pretty decent [19:17] I see no 'cxxlibs' in slackware 13 l/ [19:17] dchmelik, try "a/" [19:17] dchmelik: in a/ [19:17] it's vaguely like mpd except the client & server are more tightly integrated (they're the same executable) [19:17] I usually either use mpd/ncmpc/xfce4-mpc-plugin or mpg321 [19:17] thanks... [19:18] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:18] only thing I hate about mocp is the default white-on-blue theme (easy enough to change though) [19:18] how do you guys deal with multiple wireless networks in rc.wireless? [19:19] all the repositories i go to do not seem to have the source, just some symlinks to a list of files [19:20] dchmelik: and the source should come in... milk cartons ? plastic wrappers ? [19:20] source/ [19:21] that is of course where i went; i am describing what is in source/a/cxxlibs [19:22] it has a SlackBuild, slack-desc, and two symlinks to text lists, that is all [19:22] oh look 4:22 [19:22] anyone here a fan of tom waits? [19:23] is he a slackware dev? [19:23] ardya: much more important [19:23] ;P [19:23] and irrelevant to #slackware :) [19:23] yes - love Tom Waits, why? [19:23] i see other source folders have tar.bz2 ones, but not cxxlibs [19:24] dchmelik: and you cant read the slackbuild to see what its doing? [19:24] ComputerNewb (n=peter@32.159.222.64) joined ##slackware. [19:25] ardya: tom waits is relevant to everything. [19:25] :D [19:25] it is using the symlinks files, which I do not understand where the files in it are [19:26] there is no source, just .so files [19:26] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-71-62-151-44.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:26] I think I heard of him in the 70s, then.....nothing [19:26] and it is not clear where those files are [19:26] ComputerNewb (n=peter@32.159.222.64) left irc: Client Quit [19:26] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [19:27] mbohun: just curious if there were any other fans. I just got hte Doom & Glitter double LP for my birthday and it comes with an mp3 download (which sparked my audacious debacle). [19:29] what are you using audacious for? (i have seen it twice in my life, someone was recording and mixing some sound) [19:30] Urchlay, i am not sure your method for making a 32-bit compatible cxxlib will work, since there is no source [19:30] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:31] mbohun: are you sure you are not thinking of the audio editing suite named audacity? there is also audacious which is an xmms clone [19:31] I have confused them before myself. [19:31] yeah - that's the one :-) [19:31] what is audacious? [19:31] an xmms clone [19:31] some cd ripper? [19:32] naw, media player [19:32] hmm, what's wrong with the original xmms (i m using it everyday) [19:33] I don't have anything against it, iirc. [19:33] oh right, the gtk thing [19:33] xmms uses the old gtk 1.* branch mbohun [19:34] yes i know - so what? [19:34] audacious uses 2.* [19:34] wow - that was convincing :-) [19:34] i m reading about the features now - looks like audacious does transcoding - xmms doesn't right? [19:34] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:35] I don't know [19:35] I have never used itfor that [19:35] transcoding? [19:35] i use grip myself for audio CD -> ogg or mp3 (mainly to make CDs of mp3 i can listen to in car) [19:36] well transcoding like mencoder [19:36] what does that mean [19:36] ardya: straight digital-to-digital conversion [19:36] ardya: go google it, for example turning an avi file into mp4 is called transcoding [19:36] I wasnt aware there was analog in the middle [19:37] ahhh, converting [19:37] yes, I said conversion [19:37] :P [19:37] yes, I missed that [19:37] vhann (n=vhann@142-217-83-39.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [19:37] :) [19:38] transcoding is the official term, or even having 1 source and transcoding at the same time into 3 diff quality outputs is called transcoding [19:38] *shrug* [19:39] what you can't imagine a high quality source - and say 3 outputs going from the best to lowest quality ? [19:39] no, I cant care for the term transcode [19:40] well no one really cares if you care about standards and official terms [19:40] hence *shrug* [19:40] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-209-15.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcoding [19:41] ok, that's my cue [19:41] see ya [19:41] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop." [19:41] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [19:44] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@clsm-74-212-19-103-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [19:46] vhann (n=vhann@142-217-83-39.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware. [19:46] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] vhann__ (n=vhann@142-217-83-39.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] dartmouth (n=dartmout@72.95.99.15) joined ##slackware. [19:47] i cant kill firefox process :S [19:47] you just need to try harder [19:47] pupiteee: yes you can [19:48] is anyone active in here good with database design? [19:48] whats it pay? [19:48] on process list is listed like 'zombie' [19:48] ardya, in gratitude, possibly pilsner. [19:48] i have the simplest little hangup :( [19:48] cant help you, sorry [19:49] pupiteee: cant kill zombie processes [19:49] well, it's weird, I've got a field i need to take multiple dates [19:49] MAYBE if you kill its parent PID [19:49] for one key [19:49] ardya: i cant kill parent either.. [19:49] pupiteee: pkill -signal 7 firefox-bin [19:50] e.g., im trying to log the dates one person does something in the database. [19:50] dartmouth: and.... [19:50] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.225.8.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:50] well im just not sure how to do that. in the table, it allows you to take a date for input but not an array of dates [19:51] i will have many people doing the same thing, and need to be able to pull a person up and find out how many times they did it and when [19:51] mfillpot: no, that doesnt help either.. [19:52] dartmouth: unless you want to deal with a lot of parsing and type conversions then multiple fields would be best, or you can change the field to a string and concatinate the dates then parse and change types later [19:53] dartmouth: OR you you setup a seperate table that holds the record Id field and a date field so you can store multiple related dates externally [19:53] mfillpot, i thought about doing that, but then anytime there's a hiccup it gets messy. would multiple tables with a linked ID sound reasonable for such a tiny app? [19:53] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-212-240.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:53] dartmouth: I often use that for user auditing, even for a tiny app if the need is there then the space use is justified [19:53] and then just run queries of both tables by that person's ID [19:54] dartmouth: what DB system are you using? [19:54] mfillpot, the one db system I should not be asking about here lol [19:55] dartmouth: Oracle or MS? [19:55] latter :) [19:55] only because I'm forced to. [19:56] Our IT guy won't quit his job and just let me handle it lol [19:56] I wonder why ;) [19:57] dartmouth: to make the reference you can link the two tables by the user id in a one to many relationship and then sort the date field as needed. [19:57] seriously, the guy bought linksys routers at walmart and has four floors of wifi routers all set up as switches and has one, that's right, one router doing dhcp for the entire network. [19:57] dartmouth: since I only deal with Oracle and mysql I cannot give you and example [19:57] mfillpot: kill -9 'processID' got it done. thanks [19:58] mfillpot, thats close to where I was leaning, i was just making sure it wasn't overkill; mucho thanks, man. [19:58] pupiteee: sorry about the typo, I don't do forceful process terminations often [19:58] how would i remove every file that is owned by a certain user? I've tried "find . -user | xargs -0 rm -rf" but it says that the file names are too long [19:58] coincidentally, the dhcp server dies and assigns duplicate IPs on the network regularly. [19:59] mfillpot: its ok, nevermind, this firefox often lags because of flash.. [19:59] Reticenti, try with just -delete from find? [19:59] despite me having told him very gracefully how to fix it. [19:59] oh [19:59] thrice`: so "find . -user thrice`: so "find . -user -delete" ? [19:59] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.225.8.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:00] dartmouth: are on on an MS centered network? [20:00] mfillpot, not even; we're on a glorified home-network in a professional environment. [20:00] Fun! [20:01] dartmouth: lol [20:01] our 'routers' are bottom-shelf walmart linksys routers [20:01] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [20:01] Reticenti, looks like it's worth a try. obviously be careful :> [20:01] :\ [20:01] lol [20:01] there is no central server; no NOC, it's just a broadband connection and some wifi routers [20:01] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:01] dartmouth: what do you use for a dhcp server? [20:01] mfillpot, linksys [20:01] one linksys router. [20:01] lol [20:02] not even a nice one. [20:02] And they wonder why [20:02] dartmouth: how many users/workstations on the net? [20:02] They are owned by Cisco [20:02] dartmouth, don't be so offended that people hesitate taking IT advice from you of all people [20:02] I have a shit-eating grin on my face when I walk in. [20:02] mfillpot, about 400 at any given time [20:02] maybe we should send them some of your famous lines cpunches [20:03] dartmouth: with that load it is worth setting up some designated services [20:03] mfillpot, i've said that many times [20:03] mfillpot, ignore thrice` -- hes upset that I'm a superior systems admin who regularly embarrasses him. He's a local troll. [20:03] thrice`: that worked perfectly, thanks [20:04] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=837 [20:04] good one [20:04] Reticenti, sure thing :) [20:05] komentarze_listy (n=komentar@unaffiliated/komentarze) joined ##slackware. [20:06] mfillpot, i even suggested a tiered load network distribution system using only existing hardware with cascading router settings so that it would be easily maintainable. This was ignored, despite the written proposal being a work of art. [20:06] dartmouth: I know the group here and we all have a little fun with one another. For the issue at hand, when working in a DB you want to avoid concatination of data, if you need to track multiple stamps on a singal record then setup a new tale to house the related tracking information. [20:07] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:07] yeah. im going to have to get the relational db stuff down at some point anyway. [20:07] my db design skills are infantile. i should be doing this in crayon. [20:09] dartmouth: databases are hard for some people to grasp because of the dynamic references within the data and queries, only sufficient research and hand's on experience can give you the knowledge you need. [20:11] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:11] cara [20:11] sorry, wrong msg [20:13] dartmouth: do you have any other DB questions? [20:13] yes. will you work for beer? [20:13] Because I can totally pay you in beer. [20:13] dartmouth: Stella Artois by the case, I don't drink american [20:14] <|Slacker|> Stella's the roxors [20:14] ...... [20:14] I thought we were talking about beer ... not lager. [20:14] eeeeasy BP{k} :> [20:14] thrice`: I am sure someone like you could appreciate being paid in say ...Samuel Adams Utopias? ;) [20:14] mfillpot, i had stella last week, are you ok with with an authentic czech pilsner? [20:15] :D [20:15] lager is beer [20:15] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:16] it aint ale :) [20:16] dartmouth: czech is good one random occasions, it's generally too bitter for my taste [20:16] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:16] ardya: okay, I'll give you that. But in my opinion: Ales > lager. :) [20:16] bitter? have you had pilsnerurquell? [20:16] agreed [20:16] BP{k}, that's because you're a communist. [20:17] to me if it's golden colored, under 40 proof and made from barley it is beer [20:17] i need a beer to wash the taste of weed and hooker spit out of my mouth ;p [20:17] ponypiss will do that [20:17] Pig_Pen: it will take more than beer to clean that taste out [20:18] chewing tobaccy, maybe something strong like Bull O' the Woods or Days Work [20:19] I've just recently acquired a taste for whiskey. [20:19] Sorry, Whisky. [20:19] Whiskey is next week ;) [20:19] i like fruit juice spiked with a shotglass full of 195% pure grain alcohol [20:19] that's insane. [20:20] there is something wrong with you. [20:20] is anyone in here planning to go to southeast linuxfest this year? [20:20] gotta keep the bacon grease washed out of my blood stream [20:20] Pig_Pen: I've always enjoyed everclear jello shooters [20:21] hmm, gotta try that [20:21] i have everclear, thats my favorite [20:22] Pig_Pen: use black-cherry jello mix, it's the only one strong enough to overpower the taste of alcohol, and don't hold the finished product in your hand [20:24] burn your hands? ;p [20:25] Pig_Pen: It leaves an alcohol burn from the booze soaking in through your skin, it only takes about an hour to go away [20:25] i buy a few jugs of that juicy juice at the grocery store, it is natural fruit juice (not full of corn syrup) [20:25] kb3rmq (n=casey@pool-71-253-17-222.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:31] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [20:36] ViN86 (n=ViN86@cpe-72-226-104-144.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:42] what is jack? [20:43] dchmelik: in what context? [20:44] dhcmelik: like the API? [20:44] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-212-240.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:44] whatever it is for audio [20:45] dchmelik: do you mean the plug or jack that you plug the input or output cords into? [20:45] no, i mean a software [20:45] I could not get renoise working with alsa so i wanted to try jack [20:46] dchmelik: idk, you mean this: http://jackaudio.org/node/11 ? [20:46] i guess, but it seems i should just try to get alsa to work then [20:46] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@168-103-57-235.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:47] oh i know what the problem is, i did not plug in my audio stuff after vacation [20:47] lol... a layer 1 issue, those happen to everyone [20:48] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I'm done for now" [20:50] ViN86 (n=ViN86@cpe-72-226-104-144.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:50] cpuobsessed (n=tim@adsl-074-183-121-238.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:52] jack uses alsa as a backend, if alsa doesn't work then jack won't either (unless you want to try using jack's oss backend instead, ugh) [20:52] but yeah, it all works better if you plug it in :) [20:54] artv61eee (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [20:54] gtludwig (n=gtl@150.162.165.43) left irc: "Leaving" [20:55] gtludwig (n=gtl@150.162.165.43) joined ##slackware. [20:55] hi all [20:56] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:56] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.207) joined ##slackware. [20:57] artv61eee (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left ##slackware. [20:58] artv61eee (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [21:02] zalost (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:08] zalost (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:12] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. 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[21:43] there we go again, the damn red stapler [21:46] ardya, staplers are for ubunti users [21:46] when your tool is a sledgehammer, the world is a nail [21:47] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:47] noobish (n=noobish@c-67-181-57-232.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:48] sadsfae (n=sadsfae@funcamp.net) joined ##slackware. [21:49] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: [21:50] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:51] Any clue on how to extract frames-per-second info for a mov file on Linux? [21:52] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [21:55] mplayer -vo null -ao null -frames 0 -identify |grep fps [21:55] noobish (n=noobish@c-67-181-57-232.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:56] caoliver, see the mplayer line I just posted, it should give you roughly what you want. [21:56] I'll try that. [21:57] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [21:57] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:57] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [21:57] if you just want the fps data (to use in another script) rather than something you can just read, I can try to clean up the output for you. [21:57] VIDEO: [SVQ1] 320x240 24bpp 90000.000 fps 81.7 kbps (10.0 kbyte/s) [21:58] Obviously wrong. [21:58] ah, badly created file [21:59] Sad as it's a set of panel discussions hosted at MIT on programming languages. I wonder how they'd take a polite request to re-encode them. [21:59] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("Bored by the chore of saving face."). [21:59] what do you get if you grep for FPS instead of fps? [21:59] probably the same but... [22:00] Srbo_ (n=Srbo@93.87.221.128) joined ##slackware. [22:01] cpuobsessed (n=tim@adsl-074-183-121-238.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:01] well the video was probably created using a system they bought. I have seen that problem before. can't remember how I got round it [22:01] I greped for fps case insensitive. ID_VIDEO_FPS=90000.000 was there as well, but I just told you that. [22:01] ok [22:01] I suspect I could give a manual -fps, but I've no idea what the number is. [22:01] It's a very slow rate though. [22:02] 9-16fps or so. [22:02] try the standards: 23, 24,... [22:02] oh [22:02] that is slow for a video [22:02] Still a talk with Guy Steele and Will Clinger among others deserves better. [22:03] do you have a link? is it publicly accessible? [22:03] 18 fps is standard for 8mm video. worth a try. [22:03] Sorry. I'm a bit of a Lisp/Scheme nutter. [22:04] Way too fast. I'm going to write a brief note suggesting they offer those in OGG theora if possible. 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[22:25] hiya MLanden [22:25] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-214-113.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:25] heya,hitest..how's ya doin'? [22:26] I just sent a plea to Jon Bachrach asking for a re-encode. I've no idea if he'll deign to consider it. [22:26] well somehow for me, playing the files in mplayer just works fine. jurky, but sync'ed and at the right speed. [22:26] Wow! Could you tell me what fps they're using? I know it's slow. [22:27] MLanden: I am doing well, thank you:) how are you? [22:27] hitest, doin' great for the evening thanks [22:28] I am not sure, mplayer says 90000 but plays it fine anyway. [22:29] Hmmm. Mine screams through the video and quits. Maybe it's the version of mplayer I built. Are you on a 64 or 32 bit system? [22:29] 32bit slack13 MPlayer r29390-4.3.3 [22:30] Ok. You might be running the win32 codec then. [22:30] Those don't fly on 64bit. [22:30] Selected video codec: [ffsvq1] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg Sorenson Video v1 (SVQ1)) [22:30] Ok. [22:30] That is part of the normal build I think. [22:31] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:31] Mine uses that too. Maybe it's not too healthy on 64 bit systems. [22:32] I'm running Slack64-13.0 here. [22:34] hmm, I will test tomorrow, I don't have a 64bit machine at hand here. [22:34] Thanks! [22:34] np [22:37] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("Bored by the chore of saving face."). [22:38] davi` (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [22:40] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [22:41] cybErpunk (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:43] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:43] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [22:51] tpocra (n=kvirc@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[23:20] hello [23:20] HEY THERE [23:21] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [23:22] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:23] I just had a great time setting up my cups server because it seems that the password you use when logging into the web interface can;t exceed 32 characters. So that was a great time. [23:23] Sounds like a great time [23:23] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:23] oh yea [23:26] sQuEE` (n=narya@host131.190-30-14.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [23:29] hi, someone please help a newbie... Sometime ago I saw an article about Con Kolivas kernel patch... I patched my kernel(i'm not using it yet)... but I really don't know about a significant issue... The patch change the Timer Frequency limit from 1000Hz to 10000... what changes Timer Frequency does to the system ? sry about my english [23:29] sQuEE (n=narya@host131.190-30-14.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:30] jjholt2 (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:33] sQuEE` (n=narya@host131.190-30-14.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:34] komentarze_listy: have a read of this article: http://lwn.net/Articles/114991/ [23:35] under Boot-time clock frequency selection [23:35] packeteer: thanks:) let me see [23:35] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [23:35] acidchild (i=ash@septic.ziwall.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:36] 2nd and 3rd paragraph [23:36] packeteer: thanks, i'm reading it! i hope that my english help haha [23:37] acidchild (i=ash@septic.ziwall.net) joined ##slackware. [23:39] packeteer: thanks, awesome article [23:39] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.134.185) joined ##slackware. [23:41] anybody know of kde 4.4 packages? [23:41] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:42] Axtroz (n=axtroz@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [23:42] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:42] re-l (n=re-l@c-98-197-118-188.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:42] aghori (n=user@92.19.10.109) joined ##slackware. [23:44] hi everyone. I installed the murrine gtk engine (--prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var) and a theme that uses it, but when i switch to the theme it uses the default gtk theme engine (I think it's called Raleigh). I use slackware-current + Xfce. I installed the theme at ~/.local/share/themes and xfce4 finds it there, just doesnt use the engine. help is appreciated :) [23:44] aghori (n=user@92.19.10.109) left irc: Client Quit [23:45] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:45] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.161.28) left irc: Client Quit [23:45] Axtroz, try at /usr/share/themes [23:47] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:47] omg... it worked, thanks! :) [23:47] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [23:48] Axtroz (n=axtroz@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:48] ArTourter: I tried building a static 32 bit version of mencoder, and the results of trancoding to raw vid/pcm aud still exhibit the same problems. [23:48] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:48] np...the murrine engine is a nice addition [23:51] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:51] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [23:52] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6KUYQJD2aY&feature=related [23:53] :D [23:53] j0z (n=j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:58] j0z (n=j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [23:59] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Tue Jan 19 2010