[00:03] Hey nix_chix0r [00:04] Thom1 (n=Thom1@51.233.84-79.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [00:04] hi [00:04] Thom1: Hello [00:04] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-135-222.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:04] http://pastebin.org/2803 this is part of the header but its give you an idea [00:05] fire|bird, told my boss i had a migraine so i could go home early for a longer weekend:) was sick of her making me her slave today [00:05] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [00:06] she's so behind like a year behind in getting hearing files updated with medical requests and making me request medical records and sort by date(they are never in order) and scan them in [00:06] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:07] i should be getting a check myself for any time we get a client approved for disability or SSI [00:07] do more work than that biatch [00:07] phoenix|storm (n=phoenix|@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:08] we could use like 3 more people working there so i don't have to do the work of them plus my own job heh [00:09] BP{k}: that game is creepy! :D [00:09] BP{k}: fun though. [00:09] agentc0re: isn't it just :) [00:09] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:10] agentc0re: and seriously for $5 .. it's too good an offer to miss out on on. [00:10] does it work with 64bit? [00:10] you are dead right about that. [00:10] elderK (n=elderk@222-152-15-122.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "Leaving..." [00:10] I'd pay 5 dollars for just about any game... and i got 3.. [00:10] wow. [00:10] twolf: no. I don't think so, but it might work with 32bit compat installed. [00:10] cool [00:11] phoenix|storm (n=phoenix|@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [00:11] the only machine I have with a decent video card is 64bit [00:11] agentc0re: plus I kinda like buying games from indie developpers that release quality games for multiplatforms. [00:11] agentc0re: which game? [00:11] twolf: i am running slamd64 and it's working right now. [00:11] have any other people talked about the system tray icons missing in -current using nvidia prop drivers yet? [00:12] agentc0re: cool [00:12] BP{k}: I totally agree with you there. I thought that the coolest part was that they made it for all 3 different distro's. [00:12] I wll buy it now [00:12] BP{k}: erri mean main stream OS's.. win/linux/mac [00:13] agentc0re: check out .. introversion.co.uk .. -> http://www.introversion.co.uk/defcon/ [00:13] antiwire: uhm, can you be a bit more specfic? [00:13] CaptObviousman: http://www.penumbragame.com/game.php [00:13] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:14] CaptObviousman: they have an action on this weekend .. all 3 games, for 5USD [00:14] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:15] LOL [00:15] agentc0re: introversion has a couple of games out. which are pretty decent to play :) [00:15] they're a game developer that supports Linux? [00:16] Action: CaptObviousman buys without thinking [00:16] hehe. [00:16] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [00:16] CaptObviousman++ [00:16] CaptObviousman: make sure you get the action pack ;) [00:16] and nobody talked in ## for weeks to come while they played games. and the internets was at peace. [00:16] Yeah. I mean these guys should be getting more than $5 for all 3 but shit.. i'll take that steal of a deal :P [00:17] anyone had any fun with intel video on the new Xorg? i'm thinking I need to put some options in there but the suspend is causing an Xorg crash [00:17] Under current, kde4 using the nvidia prop. drivers, after applying the updates in batch dated Thu Jul 16 19:25:26 CDT 2009: The system tray area, between the clock and the taskbar is blank. The system tray area is the proper size and clicking around in the system tray area still brings up the menus for each tool that has an icon. However, the icons are not displaying. Using the nv driver lets the icons show but the nvidia prop driver fails t [00:18] oh well, nvidia is an add-on [00:18] Right, and that's a good answer... [00:18] er, wait, is this the nvidia that comes with slackware or the add-on? [00:19] guess what? other people have reported this as well and not each case was only nvidia [00:19] .... [00:19] nvidia doesn't come with slackware [00:19] TwinReverb: read the what he wrote. That question didn't need asking. [00:19] hudymoreira (n=root@189-46-13-81.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:19] I made it very clear which drivers I tested [00:19] Happy Ubuntu Social Philosophy Day [00:19] boa noite a todos [00:19] i didn't know what he meant by "nvidia prop." as in proper [00:19] proprietary [00:20] I have also tried recompiling Qt after those updates in case it was some lib linking issue; that did not help. [00:20] "proper as in per their website or per slackware?" is what ... oh proprietary [00:20] antiwire: I haven't noticed it; but admittedly I don't run KDE4 these days. I'll see if I can reproducte this tomorrow if noone confirms it. [00:20] as I said, nvidia doesn't "come with" slackware [00:20] phoenix|storm (n=phoenix|@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:20] BP{k}: thanks, fire|bird and a couple others experienced the same issue [00:21] danc3: I'm well aware of that which is why I noted the drivers I am using as well as my test using the nv driver. [00:21] estou com esse erro no meu linux "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not supported" alguem sabe oque pode ser? [00:21] hmm, $5 is an attractive price [00:21] granted, the newest xf86-video-intel breaks on slackware 64 with (at least) my onboard intel graphics without an xorg.conf which is a break in slackware 64 [00:21] hudymoreira: english please :) [00:21] antiwire: yes, I was saying that for TwinReverb's sake... [00:21] ananke: *very* :) [00:21] he doesn't seem to understand [00:21] Action: TwinReverb understands now that danc3 explained [00:21] heh [00:21] disabling compositing has helped a lot with my intel gfx stability [00:21] thanks danc3 [00:21] antiwire: you might want to consider posting this on LQ or ask someone who really has a clue ..;) [00:22] eviljames, point taken, i will try it [00:22] on 2.7.1 enabling compositing either crashed hard or locked up after a few minutes [00:22] I moved to 2.6.30.1 kernel as well [00:22] I bet my ISP is hating me right now [00:22] CaptObviousman: you live up to your name. [00:22] i have about 2000 emails that need to go out that are sitting in root account on these 3 tomcat servers due to failed relay... is there a way to resend them out of the root mailbox?... the relay failed due to corrupted firewall setting that has been corrected? http://pastebin.org/2803 is a copy of part of one of the headers... the rest of the email follows the header [00:23] Action: CaptObviousman downloads 2.1GB update to EVE on one machine and 850MB Penumbra on another [00:23] eviljames, did moving to 2.6.30.1 help or hurt in terms of stability? [00:23] ISPs hate all their clients. Especially the ones who use the bandwidth provided to them. [00:23] TwinReverb: Seemed to have helped. [00:23] hudymoreira: if failing that, there is a #slackware-br / ##slackware-br [00:23] puchased [00:23] eviljames, do you know all ISPs? 8-P [00:23] BP{k} Sorry :S [00:23] ok brb trying suspend in Xfce with compositing disabled [00:23] TwinReverb: I suppose I only speak about Canada's oligopol.. [00:23] s/oligopol/oligopoly/ [00:23] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [00:24] eviljames, and you are right, thanks! [00:24] BP{k}: I will, I have narrowed it down to that update batch (Thu Jul 16 19:25:26 CDT 2009) so I'm pretty sure it is either directly related to those xorg changes or indirectly related to those updates via the nvidia prop. driver. Unfortunately, I think there is probably nothing affected will be able to do until nvidia releases a new version. [00:24] juice__ (i=juice@ice-cold.net) left irc: "later" [00:24] eviljames, do you know all in that oligopoly? 8-P [00:24] CaptObviousman: NICE! [00:24] i'm going to have to remember this, i have someone i need to update who is using 13.0-rc1 [00:24] i have to fix her vista first though 8-S [00:25] TwinReverb: install linux on it [00:25] BP{k} I do not speak English very well, excuse my ignorance lea [00:25] thumbs, she's got slackware-13.0-rc1 on there already [00:25] Action: CaptObviousman always wants to support studios what support Linux out right [00:25] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-4-85.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:25] not as an afterthought [00:25] hmm, i have $8 in my paypal account. i think i'll make it an impulse buy [00:25] I've been a client of all them, and they're embroiled in a battle against the crtc about how they dislike their users right now. [00:25] i mean fix vista (booting using LILO) before updating her -current [00:25] though shaw has by far been the least worst. [00:25] hudymoreira: that's why I suggested #slackware-br. Which is especially geared towards brazilian users. [00:25] just be sure, eviljames, that limiting users is not disliking them [00:25] antiwire: what problem are you having? i saw nvidia which has intrigued me. [00:26] depending upon the quality, I will definitely start following them if it the games are at all decent [00:26] scroll up i wrote a short story [00:26] Neo_The_User (n=matrix@Wikimedia/Neo-The-User) joined ##slackware. [00:26] i was only making a comment [00:26] CaptObviousman: So far i started off with Overture. Creeped me out a bit. [00:26] when will slackware 13.0 come out? give me a fake date and just lie to me [00:26] TwinReverb: I'm less concerned with speed/throughput limits than with impeding competiting and/or 'unwanted' services/protocols on the networks. [00:27] Neo_The_User: tonight [00:27] Neo_The_User: yesterday [00:27] well you have to understand the bigger picture, such as viruses and worms. they can't stand by and do nothing while their clients get infected and cause a bunch of garbage traffic on their networks [00:27] antiwire: Eh... weird. wtf is definitely in order. [00:27] notice i say "such as" [00:27] BP{k} thanks, I will post mine doubts there ... [00:27] TwinReverb: if, for example, Bell arbitrarily degrades Vonage VoIP service, while enhancing its own home phone service that creates an environment that stifles competition - which can do little for the user and ensure profits only for a small cadre of people. [00:27] Neo_The_User: never? [00:27] agentc0re: i even rebuilt qt after those updates in case it was qt related [00:28] antiwire: I was wondering WTF you would have rebuilt that... [00:28] eviljames, that's different, that's unfair competition poisoning, that ought to go to court [00:28] i was expecting a more realistic answer [00:28] but i digress [00:28] i was only saying that all limiting is not hating [00:28] Neo_The_User: Okay the realistic answer is, It'll be out when it's ready.. [00:28] but your example is an example of hating [00:28] I'm going to start rebuilding kde packages from the top down [00:28] That's the battle of net neutrality. Nobody's complaining about efforts to get windows' flaws under control. [00:28] er, unfair competition limiting practices [00:29] You know the same saying that's said whenever a new release is close. [00:29] Neo_The_User: you asked for us to make it up or lie to you. And that is what you got :) [00:29] hahaha [00:29] phillipsm (n=IceChat7@173-23-56-244.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [00:29] Neo_The_User: I think the only way it's going to come out is if jeev unignores me. [00:30] Neo_The_User: the `official answer' is highlighten on slackware.com - general FAQ - FAQ #5. [00:30] lol, pwnage! [00:30] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [00:30] man slackware.com(faq#5) [00:30] oh [00:31] agentc0re: admitteldy rather sad that I actually know where to find that answer. ;-) [00:31] Defcon has a pretty cool opening! :) [00:32] agentc0re: it's a pretty fun game to play :) [00:32] I just wish that my other monitor wouldn't blank out so i could traverse between game and chat. [00:32] BP{k}: You know the answer because you've been around the block. [00:33] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:34] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Success [00:35] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [00:35] Lucky BP{k}; Mommy still won't let me go around the block. [00:35] s/Neo_The_User/The_User :P Wasn't NEO supposed to be the savior, the "know it all" ? :P [00:35] rob0: probalby because yourmom has been there :P [00:36] rob0: Still wearing the Monkey backpack with attached leash are we? ;) [00:39] BP{k} : now it seems that the cost is per architecture. if i wanted a windows version, i'd have to buy another [00:40] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:41] phoenix|storm (n=phoenix|@173.18.58.139) joined ##slackware. [00:41] BP{k}: Heh just finished watch a CPU game.. that was great. [00:42] ls [00:42] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-4-85.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:42] ls fail! :P [00:42] :) [00:42] i3lack0p (n=wsp4th@adsl-074-167-057-025.sip.jan.bellsouth.net) left irc: [00:43] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Client Quit [00:45] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:45] FooDown (i=1000@70.94.221.53) joined ##slackware. [00:45] Ugh, my connection sucks lately. [00:45] nix_chix0r: stop messing with my internetz. :( [00:49] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:50] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:50] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [00:50] agentc0re: hehe [00:50] ananke: hmm that's a bit of a shame. [00:54] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [00:57] SlackNeo_ im neo! [00:57] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:57] wait, Neo is supposed to be "The One", how can there be two of him? [00:57] Neo_The_User: you have proof? [00:57] exactly [00:57] fire|bird: yes [00:58] Neo_The_User: What color pill did you take? :) [00:58] red [00:58] though to be honest, I don't think I'd publically admit to being played by Keanu [00:58] Urchlay: i'd like to sleep with Keanu [00:59] if you're Neo, would that be a form of masturbation? [00:59] yes [00:59] but you just don't see me masturbait in the matrix trilogy [00:59] fair enough [00:59] thank all the gods and demons for that [00:59] eh i woulddn't mind watching him [00:59] that is, from a 3rd person view [01:00] OK, I think maybe this conversation has taken a turn for the disturbing... [01:00] hahah im off to bed. its my bed time anyway [01:01] Urchlay: agreed. :) [01:01] please don't tell us what you're going to do in your bed... [01:01] lol [01:01] ...men [01:01] Urchlay: We don't need to know, but, maybe that's why he saved the blue ;) pill. [01:01] you guys are funny [01:02] Neo_The_User (n=matrix@Wikimedia/Neo-The-User) left irc: "I'm just that awesome" [01:02] ehh, that was odd. [01:02] noobfarm-worthy? [01:03] BP{k}: Eh, can't start a new game with just AI CPU players. [01:03] agentc0re: you should be able to. open a new slot .. then assign it to a cpu player I think [01:06] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:06] agentc0re: "You may play the single player Tutorial, and you may play a single player game against one AI opponent." (for the demo of defcon) [01:07] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:08] Hrm, i'm trying to switch the players to AI but it doesn't.. [01:08] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [01:10] > compile\n IBM COBOL SOURCE CODE COMPILING... PLEASE DISABLE ALL NON-POSITION INDEPENDENT MAINFRAME PROGRAMS DURING COMPILE © 1959-163 International Business Machines & Herman Hollerith, Co. [01:12] Idim (i=idim@idim.users.unormal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:13] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:17] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.136.92) joined ##slackware. [01:17] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-135-222.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:18] iGaucho (n=mark@72.8.72.128) joined ##slackware. [01:18] If I crypt my disk (luks), are performances decrease if I use 256 bits instead of 128 for example ? [01:19] obviously performance will decrease, the question is how much [01:19] ok [01:19] depends on if you installed the latest quantum co-processor. XD [01:19] thanks [01:20] not really :) I have a simple 32 bits processor (athlon 2800+) [01:20] tpocra2 (n=kvirc@c-71-232-103-84.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:20] Hi how can I mount a dd'ed disk image of a dm-crypt LVM2 volume group? [01:20] I gots one of those too. Runs a bit hot for the summer though. [01:20] watching a few episodes of star trek tos.... heh some of the dialogue is actually pretty good :D [01:21] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:21] tpocra2: you need to loop mount the dd image first then open the volume with cryptsetup and then mount the LVM [01:21] antiwire: Loop mount it normally? Or with cryptmount? [01:22] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [01:22] mount: unknown filesystem type 'crypt_LUKS' [01:22] how are you mounting it when you get that? [01:22] what is crypmount? are you using Slackware? [01:23] mount -o loop foo.img /mnt [01:23] tpocra2: one sec [01:23] hi [01:23] hi [01:24] iGaucho (n=mark@72.8.72.128) left irc: "Leaving" [01:24] what's new? [01:26] MadMoney: IBM mainframe COBOL might be more disgusting than the previous conversation... [01:26] huhu [01:26] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:26] phoenix|storm (n=phoenix|@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:26] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:27] tpocra2: are you able to try this: cryptsetup luksOpen /path/to/image LVMLUKS [01:27] what does that output? [01:27] But it supports PIC and has a COBOL compiler that supports update in place syntax! [01:29] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [01:29] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. [01:29] init[1] (i=buffer@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [01:29] antiwire: Command failed: Can't get device information. [01:32] tpocra2: try: losetup /dev/loop0 foo.img && cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/loop0 LUKSLVM [01:34] antiwire: very close! [01:34] That command worked, it asked for the passphrase and unlocked successfully [01:34] good [01:34] now the luks is open [01:34] Mounting /dev/mapper/LUKSLVM failed though [01:34] how did you try to mount it?> [01:34] o I have to pvcreate/vgcreate LUKSLVM? [01:34] yeah [01:34] ;) [01:34] mount /dev/mapper/LUKSLVM /mnt/blah [01:34] ah makes sense [01:35] Just pvcreate /dev/mapper/LUKSLVM [01:35] right? [01:35] one sec, not sure [01:35] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:35] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [01:35] Oh wait the physical volume already exists!! [01:35] right [01:36] don't overwrite it or anything [01:36] that's what i was checking on [01:36] can you vgscan? [01:36] vgdisplay you mean? [01:37] oh vgscan, hmm [01:37] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [01:37] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:37] Found volume group "esthar" using metadata type lvm2 [01:37] Found volume group "750-vg" using metadata type lvm2 [01:37] awesome [01:38] so... how do I mount it? =P [01:38] phoenix|storm (n=phoenix|@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [01:38] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [01:39] lvdisplay shows /dev/esthar/home and /dev/esthar/root but /dev/esthar does not exist [01:39] try mounting using /dev/mapper/LUKSVM/esthar /mnt [01:39] oh [01:39] There is no /dev/mapper/LUKSLVM [01:39] Sorry [01:39] ok [01:39] there is [01:39] but it's a file not a dir [01:39] So no subdirs or files in /dev/mapper/LUKSLVM [01:40] ok [01:41] Ohh I feel so close this is frustrating [01:41] i'm close few mins [01:41] OKay so maybe I need to run pvcreate and vgcreate manually? [01:41] tpocra2: mount /dev/esthar/home /mnt [01:42] antiwire: Tat's what I would logically think [01:42] but there is no /dev/esthar/ [01:42] try vgscan --mknodes [01:42] then try that mount [01:43] nope [01:43] still no /dev/esthar [01:43] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [01:43] vgchange -ay [01:44] does mount work after that? [01:44] omg [01:44] yes [01:44] nice! [01:44] Yyyaayyyy [01:44] okay I need to document this [01:44] hahaha [01:44] save the buffer [01:44] also [01:45] tpocra2: read this whole document but you can focus on the 6th section mainly http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/README_CRYPT.TXT [01:45] the chat buffer? [01:45] that document will show you [01:46] just remember the losetup part and use that link i posted for the rest [01:50] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [01:52] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:52] Anyone who knows when Slackware 13.0 is planed to be released? [01:52] tomorrow, same bat time, same bat channel. [01:52] Idim: "when it's ready(tm)" see also slackware.com - FAQ - General FAQ - FAQ #5 [01:53] sometime before crhistmas? [01:53] alisonken1church: you mean christmas 2038 right? [01:53] BP{k}: :) [01:53] well, it IS in RC1 status [01:54] RC1++ that is ;) [01:55] Guest92996 (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: [01:55] I'm starting to get used to not seeing my sys tray icons [01:55] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) left irc: "Leaving" [01:55] it's actually kind of nice now [01:55] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Operation timed out [01:57] It's not bad not having them there, I never really used them anyway, right clicked them, or anything. [01:59] I used the kmix icon though [01:59] ti enable or disable my MIC for skype [02:00] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [02:01] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:01] dude [02:02] harls (n=harls@c-98-204-57-154.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:02] i just found a way to crash kde4 [02:02] here's the method: [02:02] right click the panel > panel options > panel settings. now grab the system tray and move it to the right off the screen [02:03] see what happens [02:03] lol [02:03] are you serious? [02:03] try it for m [02:03] me [02:03] we need to test [02:04] make sure widgets are unlocked before you start [02:04] brb, let me try it using the nv driver [02:05] hi [02:05] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Client Quit [02:05] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.134.195) joined ##slackware. [02:06] harls: ehlo. [02:06] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:07] gg nvidia proprietary driver [02:07] doesn't crash using nv [02:07] my apologies if this question is newbish, but i haven't used slackware in a few years and am yearning to switch back because i learned a lot while using the distro. [02:07] so now, I really think the system tray icon issue as well as that system tray moving issue is the fault of the nvidia driver [02:08] harls: np - just ask. if someone knows the answer, they'll pipe up [02:08] i see there is a slack64 version available but i don't see an .iso for it. what would be the best way to go about installing it? [02:08] antiwire, are you sure you crashed kde4 and not X? [02:09] shonudo: not sure yet, i'm about to check the logs [02:09] harls: two ways, you can download the tree and burn your own iso. [02:09] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:09] harls: currently, slackware64 is the first version with 64-bit, so you have to d/l slackware64-current using rsync or torrent, the follow the instructions for burning an io [02:09] sio/iso/ [02:09] harls: or you can download the /unoffical/ iso from something like slackware.no ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/linux/ISO-images/slackware/Current-ISO-build/slackware64-current-14_Jul_2009-DVD.iso [02:10] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [02:10] harls: keep in mind - this is -current (although at release candidate 1+), so there may be some issues still to be found [02:11] so far, though, pat says they've been using slack64 for some time without issue, and there are people here who run slack64 daily [02:11] BP{k} and alisonken1church - i'm ok with any issues that could arise, what could be some good software to create an ISO from the tree? [02:11] Action: TwinReverb runs slackware64-13.0-rc1 [02:11] what system are you running now? [02:12] ubuntu 8.04 [02:12] alisonken1church: more like rc1 6+ [02:12] once you run the script for creating the iso or download the /unofficial/ iso, nautilus should already be setup to burn iso's [02:12] the script is in isolinux [02:12] directory [02:13] otherwise, as TwinReverb noted, there's a cli script in the isolinux directory you can run (just follow the notes) [02:13] is there a bot in here? [02:13] slackboy [02:13] other than that - don't know [02:14] yeah there are bots [02:14] don't worry about them though [02:14] slackboy is the only one to worry about - he likes to kickban peole that post more than 3 lines too fast [02:15] (like from cut/paste functions) [02:16] omfg go to sleep bunch of bots [02:16] phoenix|storm (n=phoenix|@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "I'm Leaving" [02:16] personally, I worte a script that both rsync's and creates the iso's for me for slackware/slackware64/slamd64 compat [02:17] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [02:18] misspwn (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:18] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:19] firebird619 (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [02:19] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [02:20] slak: don't make us kill -9 you [02:20] antiwire, did i offense you? [02:20] nope [02:21] sorry if i did to so anyone [02:21] nah, antiwire has been offended by proffesionals ;) [02:22] and soldiers [02:22] antiwire is always offended [02:22] he's a feminist [02:22] BP{k}, r you lpi 3? [02:23] a male feminist [02:23] now that's awesome [02:23] I am also a male feminist. [02:23] firebird719 (n=fire|bir@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [02:23] no [02:23] phillipsm (n=IceChat7@173-23-56-244.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "OUCH!!!" [02:23] antiwire is really a girl with a penix from .th [02:23] MadMoney: can a male feminist be a womanizer too? [02:23] penix was a guy on Efnet #coders [02:23] people made fun of him [02:23] lol i used to be on efnet [02:23] Nick change: firebird719 -> fire|bird [02:23] dchmelik, that was your nick on efnet ? [02:24] dchmelik ? [02:24] certainly not [02:24] I am d4rwin (earlier darwin) on Efnet [02:24] What about drgdhmstr? [02:24] <- naptime or jeev [02:24] you may remember me from mkilling efnet afterh acking a server, taking every channel known to mankind [02:24] antiwire: :P, moving the sys tray to the right here really crashed it. I had to reboot. [02:24] i'll take naptime over jeev time anyday [02:24] fire|bird: hahaha! [02:24] YES [02:24] i love it [02:24] penix got very mad that people made fun of him so he got banned [02:24] heh [02:24] antiwire: It has to be the nvidia driver. It doesn't do that with nv. [02:25] well, with a nick like "penix" what did he expect? [02:25] penix sounds like a douche. [02:25] slak: why you want to know? [02:25] fire|bird: that's awesome. thank you for checking too [02:25] yw :) [02:25] fire|bird: I think all our problems are due to the nvidia prop driver [02:25] I think so as well. Way to go nvidia. :P [02:26] lol MadMonies [02:26] so would that make it an X issue or a KDE issue? oh, wait, it's nvidia [02:26] alisonken1church: lol [02:26] Thom1 (n=Thom1@51.233.84-79.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [02:26] BP{k}, wanna know where i am [02:26] i feel so oddly happy to have found that crashing bug [02:26] antiwire: I can't say I'm surprised that nvidia prop is the culprit. [02:27] slak: I don't particularly care one way or another, but if it makes you feel better of sharing ... [02:28] fire|bird: well at least it doesn't (now) appear to be a slackware issue [02:28] antiwire: that's just wrong ;) [02:29] fire|bird: i think it's totally the nvidia driver now [02:29] antiwire: heh, nope, just good ol nvidia. [02:29] antiwire: yeah, so again, we have to wait for an update which hopefully fixes it and doesn't break something else. [02:29] antiwire: you should be only mildly statisfied. odly happy if you also can find a fix ;) [02:29] firebird619 (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:29] lol [02:30] more like the adrenalin rush from the begining of the hunt [02:30] haha yeah [02:31] tpocra2 (n=kvirc@c-71-232-103-84.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090520, built on: 2009/06/06 12:36:26 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/" [02:31] I have a strange question. If there are a bunch of webservers. I want a server to tell the all webservers that a specific user is allowed to access things. [02:31] hehe yeah/ I remmeber when i found a bug in rc.wireless, found also a fix. My parents-in-law were visiting. and they looked rather strange when I found the fix, then fixed it, then broke it again just to double chekc .:) [02:32] rhys: are you talking load balancing, or separate servers hosting different things? [02:32] separate servers hosting different things. [02:32] The problem is, I don't trust the webserver with the user's credentials. [02:33] rhys, you have to use sql proly [02:33] what I want isn't possible with just a remote mysql database. so even if the server has the sql database, and all the webservers ask the sql server for authentication, the user still is providing the webservers with their credentials [02:34] right? [02:34] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [02:34] yea i guess [02:34] if you don't trust your webservers, then you need a different setup for the user access [02:34] right. token based access. is there anything common in existance for this? [02:35] use opie! [02:35] Kerberos comes to mind. but its big. [02:35] opie? [02:35] antiwire: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=121691 <--- older post, but post #1 fix may still apply. [02:36] MrJacks0n (n=MrJackso@cpe-24-94-41-123.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:37] one time pads? ha! [02:37] Here is the full recipe if anyone else is able to test it: Run -current with the nvidia proprietary drivers and KDE4 as your DE. Unlock your widgets. Now right click the panel and choose 'Panel Options' then 'Panel Settings'. Now grab the system tray and move it to the right, off the screen. [02:38] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.72.55) joined ##slackware. [02:38] heh [02:39] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@97-126-214-154.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:39] jeev, this is -exactly- what I'm looking for. [02:40] brb [02:40] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [02:41] firebird619 (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [02:42] antiwire: yup, add that like from that link (post #1) to xorg.conf under screen section, icons are back. [02:42] s/like/line/ [02:42] firebird619: ok let me try too [02:42] brb [02:42] Nick change: firebird619 -> fire|bird [02:43] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [02:43] wow. how ofen does that happen. "I need to authenticate someone." "ONE TIME PADS!" "YES!" "Wait? Really? I was kidding..." [02:44] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:44] fire|bird: confirmed fix [02:44] for the icons at least [02:44] \o/ [02:44] Now I'm going to try ot crash X again [02:44] here i go [02:44] haha [02:44] crash away. :) [02:44] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Client Quit [02:44] lol, there he went. :P [02:45] man if they're going to change stuff up in the Intel drivers in kernel or in xf86, they should put a note somewhere either in the kernel help for their driver or the Xorg documentation or both, seriously [02:45] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:45] crashed [02:45] antiwire: confirmed crash. :) [02:45] lol [02:45] it's unacceptable that they change something major enough to crash Xorg on a vanilla build of X in Slackware [02:45] hahaha [02:45] well, now we know [02:46] fire|bird: well hasn't this been an interesting day [02:46] Action: TwinReverb goes and documents it in his linux laptops page for this laptop [02:46] antiwire: indeed it has. :) [02:46] bbiab [02:46] MrJackson (n=MrJackso@cpe-24-94-41-123.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 111 (Connection refused) [02:48] I went from trouble shooting kde to trouble shooting Qt, to xorg.conf options, back to kdelibs and finally crashed X/kde by moving the system tray off the screen while using the nvidia proprietary driver. [02:48] took all damn day but yeah [02:48] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429447.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:50] another reason i don't like proprietary drivers: one extra thing to be troubleshooting when/if something breaks [02:50] yueah [02:51] i'm not all "open source or die!" but still [02:51] i can respect them not being able to share the source code with us for fear of revealing the tricks of their trade, but i just want stuff to work [02:52] not so much tricks of the trade, but hiding their mistakes [02:52] i'm surprised they didn't go with a hybrid type of driver, like partially open source (the stuff they can reveal) and partially binary (the stuff they cannot) [02:52] some software has to be used to overcome hardware issues from manufacturing defects [02:52] well you can assume that they made mistakes because all humans make mistakes, but you can't assume it's to hide those mistakes because you can't read their thoughts [02:52] it's a safe guess though [02:53] man my kde 4 is all screwed up now [02:53] more than it already was? 8-) [02:53] by the instructions for kmail, we should have a tab for opengpg but we do not [02:53] aceofspades19: did you try something? [02:53] after I login to it, all of sudden the display goes all screwy [02:53] so somehow i am thinking kmail is either not detecting opengpg or not generating the ability to configure it or something [02:54] and its fully updated [02:54] probably their own compositing [02:54] you could always removepkg compiz and see (i imagine) [02:54] I have compositing turned off [02:54] oh well nevermind then [02:54] switch to Xfce 8-) [02:54] its in a virtual machine, so 3d is not very fast [02:54] ah [02:55] trying to make something 2D appear 3D is an interesting effort, and sometimes works, but i wonder some times if they try too hard at it [02:56] my saying is you either overdo it, or you don't do it at all [02:56] I bet fire|bird's system caught on fire [02:56] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@174-23-131-78.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [02:56] she probably tried to move his task bar to the top [02:56] oh man [02:56] she/he [02:56] that was no intentional [02:57] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:57] wtf are you talking about? [02:57] you probably missed the earlier conversation about the task manager being able to crash kde/X [02:57] aceofspades19: do you have an nvidia card running under current with the nvidia proprietary drivers? [02:58] antiwire: its in a f'in virtual machine [02:58] I don't have a nvidia card in my house either [02:58] aceofspades19: I see that, so I asked because you might have two systems. [02:58] don't get crazy with me [02:59] I'm just asking questions because you might have problems at a few people have too [03:00] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:01] Action: aceofspades19 refrains from throwing a large brick at antiwire [03:01] antiwire: nah, not caught on fire, just smoldering. :P [03:02] antiwire: I wonder what adventures tomorrow will bring. :) [03:02] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:02] oh you know, more aimless 6 hour long Qt recompiles [03:02] lol [03:02] only 6 hours? [03:03] qt4 builds take about 2 hours here. [03:03] it only takes like 3 hours on my pitiful celeron M [03:03] yeah i was exaggerating, my time stamps today show it took around 1.5 hours i think [03:04] but all that is irrelevant since Qt wasn't the problem anyway [03:04] antiwire: If only that'd have been known before the rebuilds. [03:04] yep [03:04] hindsight's a bitch [03:05] not always [03:05] more like mistakes are a @#$%^& [03:05] well it's not a mistake until you have the hindsight [03:05] there can't be a mistake until it has happened and been realized [03:05] yes but it's not hindsight's fault that it isunpleasant [03:05] lol [03:07] antiwire: I'm using the vboxvideo driver [03:07] fire|bird: So until we get a new nvidia driver revision, we at least have sys tray icons back and as long as we don't try to move out sys tray off the screen we're all good [03:08] firebird619 (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [03:08] random X crash FTW!!!!! [03:08] nvidia...you suck. :P [03:09] firebird619: I was just talking to your ghost: So until we get a new nvidia driver revision, we at least have sys tray icons back and as long as we don't try to move out sys tray off the screen we're all good [03:09] lol [03:09] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Nick collision from services. [03:09] Nick change: firebird619 -> fire|bird [03:09] antiwire: yeah, but it seems as though nvidia here is causing random crashes, that's happened 3 times today while on the nvidia prop driver. :P [03:10] hey i'm in that club too [03:10] we should make badges [03:10] welcome to CrashWare Linux [03:10] and good morning [03:10] So, I did switch to nv for now, random crashes aren't exactly what I want happening. [03:10] morning dive, how are you? [03:11] CrashWare, lol. [03:11] fire|bird, just trying to keep my eyes open ;) yourself? [03:11] luckily it's only CrashWare when we use the nvidia proprietary drivers [03:11] dive: we figured out the sys tray icon issues [03:11] Slack isn't responsible for this mess though, nvidia takes that title yet again. [03:11] ah [03:11] dive: doing excellent, thanks. :) [03:12] yeah so what was causing it? nvidia drivers? [03:12] dive: yup [03:12] dive: yeah: Here is the full recipe if anyone else is able to test it: Run -current with the nvidia proprietary drivers and KDE4 as your DE. Unlock your widgets. Now right click the panel and choose 'Panel Options' then 'Panel Settings'. Now grab the system tray and move it to the right, off the screen. [03:12] we confirmed it all with the nvidia driver vs. nv [03:12] but what about the icons not showing? [03:12] dive: I found an old forum post with a line that can be added to the screen section in xorg.conf that brings the sys tray icons back, but it still seems to be somewhat unstable. [03:12] dive: fire|bird found the fix [03:13] ah [03:13] nice [03:13] dive: but the driver is still way unstable with the latest x updates [03:13] unstable = random crashes. [03:13] just in kde? [03:13] I've only used kde here, but beings nvidia's the culprit, it probably spans across all de/wm's [03:14] dive: So far that's all i have test with too [03:14] Thom1 (n=Thom1@79.84.233.51) joined ##slackware. [03:14] don't know/care about gnome :) [03:15] I was thinking of xfce mostly [03:15] Action: TwinReverb hugs Xfce [03:15] it's come such a long way and is still so awesome [03:15] I use xfce on my nvidia card box and flux on lappy [03:15] TwinReverb: don't hug so tight, can't you see, thunar's turning blue. [03:15] 8-( [03:15] hmm I haven't ever had nvidia driver issues [03:15] juice: consider yourself lucky. [03:15] juice: are you on the latest current, all updated? [03:15] I guess [03:16] hmm [03:16] let me see [03:16] you don't know? [03:16] Nick change: fau_ -> fAu [03:17] yes [03:17] juice: if you are on a fully up to date -current and running the nvidia proprietary drivers, could you please try the steps I pasted? [03:17] newest [03:17] just as a test [03:17] 185.18.14 [03:17] perfect. [03:17] Atreyu, you have to make it to the ivory tower! [03:17] I am not on current :P [03:17] Atreyu's a good band. [03:17] juice: .... [03:17] Atreyu is an elf [03:17] dchmelik: It's also the name of a band. :) [03:18] ok, as long as you know.... [03:18] apparently I missed the -current tag [03:19] lol [03:19] juice: :P apparently you did. [03:19] i've got 5 things going on [03:19] juice: now upgrade to current and join the CrashClub. :D [03:19] in 5 channels [03:19] lol [03:19] fire|bird, so what was the xorg.conf fix for displaying icons? I shall make a note of it [03:20] We use test dummies though, so nobody gets hurt. [03:20] what verison of X again [03:20] dive: add Option "UseCompositeWrapper" "True" to the screen section in xorg.conf [03:20] thx [03:21] dive: too bad it doesn't fix all of the other stability issues, and give me a pony too. [03:21] antiwire: beings that fix is out there, this obviously has occurred before. :P [03:21] yeah [03:22] but yeah, it's still quite unstable. [03:22] so what happens [03:22] juice: total X and or kde crash [03:22] since I am not paying close attention [03:22] and apparently need to know [03:22] juice: ponies are sacraficed, children go running to their homes, the sky turns black, and your tower smolders. [03:22] hmm well I would be running gnome so... is it kde only? [03:22] juice: dunno [03:22] ic [03:23] no crashes here with fluxbox on slack64 -current with newest nvidia driver [03:23] there is that offscreenpixmaps setting you could try [03:23] but that might mess up firefox [03:24] 'I have been, and will be, your friend. I am grateful for that. Live long, and prosper....' [03:24] Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true" in device [03:24] or try false too [03:24] hahaha [03:24] dive: that's awesome [03:25] "try ture..or false too" [03:25] that was to fix black images in firefox [03:25] oh man that about sums up the day [03:25] but since it is offscreen problems... [03:26] true..or..false, that is the question. [03:26] :-) [03:27] more cafeine needed [03:28] heh, isn't kontact great, I open it up, just for the heck of it, (I use claws-mail), and my imap account in it has disappeared. :P [03:30] antiwire: question, beings you use pidgin, when you change your nick with /nick, does it show you your changed nick? [03:31] Nick change: antiwire -> antiwire_ [03:31] yep [03:31] Nick change: antiwire_ -> antiwire [03:31] fire|bird: does for me - but I'm still on 3.5 [03:31] kde 2.5 [03:31] (2009-07-18 00:31:32) You are now known as antiwire_ [03:31] that's what i get [03:31] unless you make a local alias/display name I think [03:31] duh - kde 3.5 [03:31] antiwire: Hmm, mine doesn't, never has. [03:32] any idea what causes that? [03:32] fire|bird: I have the plugin pack to go [03:32] pidgin does not tell me [03:32] I even tried with a fresh ~/.purple [03:32] antiwire: yeah, I do as well. [03:32] fire|bird, did you specify to use/display a local name for irc? [03:32] i use the purple plugin pack with IRC helper enabled [03:32] if it doesn't, file a bug [03:32] dive: ah, yup, that's it. :P [03:32] I think. [03:32] thanks [03:33] I'm using pidgin + irssi right now [03:33] fire|bird, do you use advanced window list script in irssi? [03:33] yeah [03:34] phoenix|storm (n=phoenix|@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [03:34] Nick change: phoenix|storm -> Guest81252 [03:34] whoops [03:34] try this: /set awl_display_key %_$Q%n $H$C$S [03:34] do the numbers appear bold white? [03:35] Nick change: Guest81252 -> phoenix|storm [03:35] dive: ok, I'll try that, just a sec. [03:35] shonudo (n=user@c-69-254-158-129.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:35] Nick change: phoenix|storm -> silvergold [03:35] slak (n=slak@unaffiliated/slak) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:35] \o/ that was it. The local name. Thanks dive. [03:35] np [03:36] Nick change: silvergold -> phoenix|storm [03:36] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@173.51.68.122) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:36] yeah, bold white. [03:36] I think local name in irc is counterproductive myself [03:37] I never thought that Local Name was the culprit. :P [03:37] fire|bird, ok great - I've put that in the comments of diversity.theme [03:37] looks nicer I think than gre [03:37] grey [03:37] yeah, much nicer [03:38] antiwire: another pidgin plugin I like is the one that you can use to grep the logs right from the chat window. [03:38] just don't run the gRIM plugin in here, you'd get kicked for floods. :P [03:38] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [03:39] two things that would make pidgin much nicer: aliases and an /exec command [03:39] phoenix|storm: do you know the name of that log plugin? [03:39] antiwire: looking for it now. [03:39] i have the /exec command [03:39] really?? [03:39] it's part of either the irssi options or the IRC helper [03:39] dive: the plugin pack has /exec [03:39] yea [03:39] ah [03:40] I WISH it had aliases too though. [03:40] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-78-229.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:41] nice [03:41] alhough I had to specify full path to one of my scripts [03:41] antiwire: Hmm, I'm looking but not seeing it atm, I KNOW I had it. There was one called /shout to say the same thing in multiple channels and then /grep, to grep the logs. [03:42] I don't think I added it myself at all. [03:44] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [03:46] antiwire: whoops, my bad, I did add it myself, it's this: http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-cmds/ [03:46] nice thanks [03:46] It was last updated in October '08, but it still works great. [03:49] nice [03:49] has anyone had such huge sound issues with Slackware64-13.0-rc1 ? [03:49] i've noticed that audacious and xmms simply do not work with sound (at least so far) but amarok xine and mplayer do [03:50] lannders (n=lannders@107-149.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:50] \o/ I still had the package of it I made from before. :) [03:51] Purple-Grep and Purple-Shout. :) [03:51] when I "gpg --list-keys" and see public keys from friends, why means the line 'sub' ? [03:51] todders (n=adrian@host81-152-86-73.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [03:51] nick todders [03:52] todders (n=adrian@host81-152-86-73.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Client Quit [03:52] lol, he wanted to change his nick to what it already was? :P [03:53] todders (n=adrian@host81-152-86-73.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [03:53] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [03:58] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [03:58] hmm pidgin seems to use a different $PATH to my normal env [03:58] strange [04:02] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.134.171) joined ##slackware. [04:03] dang NASA lost the tapes [04:04] dchmelik: yup, they did. [04:04] again? [04:04] yeah, I thought they had found them recently and now it says they lost them [04:05] alisonken1church: NASA lost some of the tapes from the Moon landing. [04:05] I remember reading that they found some - but not all - of the original tapes [04:05] nope, they lost some of the original tapes. [04:08] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:09] ok finally [04:09] made a script to look at apache logs using logio logging method, read them, add them up and put them in a users tally in mysql through shell script [04:09] now i gotta pass the fart out [04:09] later turds [04:11] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [04:11] Hello! [04:13] olah [04:23] so anyone got any neat tricks in zsh? [04:24] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.172.169) joined ##slackware. [04:24] zsh ftw!!! :) [04:25] Time for me to get going. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening} everyone. Take care. 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[05:50] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:50] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:50] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [05:53] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:55] if it's firefox-3.5.1 then where's the updated thunderbird? [05:56] the latest thunderbird in slackware is still 2.0.0.22 [05:58] yes, this is the last release [05:58] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:58] the latest mozilla's is still 2.0.0.22, it seems dead. [05:59] yep [06:01] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [06:01] =) [06:03] SlackNeo2 (n=SlackNeo@190.176.129.170) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:05] hahaha : "Updated to the slightly different 3.5.x Firefox logo png." ^^ [06:05] I'm gonna upgrade that right now :p [06:05] nheco (n=nheco_nh@200-102-254-138.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:05] nheco (n=nheco_nh@200-102-254-138.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [06:06] usus12jari (n=astronau@125.163.58.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:06] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:08] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:08] noooo, local mirror hasn't picked up the changes, slackware moves really too quickly ;) [06:10] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:10] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) joined ##slackware. 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[07:00] did i say 13? i meant win7, of course %) [07:00] luse7 [07:00] Nick change: sidmario -> Guest45194 [07:00] well, I'm currently waiting for my local mirror to get the latest updates ;p [07:01] Guest45194 (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware. [07:01] Viva Camarade_Tux! Viva la revolucion! Hasta siempre la revolucion! [07:01] sidmario_ (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:02] paul424 (n=chatzill@91.207.68.2) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]" [07:02] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:02] Action: john_dee wants his injection of windose now! [07:03] and an injection is what it would be. because one must be crazy to want it. [07:04] dchmelik: wanna join my army? strippers for everybody! [07:04] %) [07:04] k, Camarade_Tux [07:04] this time firebird is not here [07:04] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [07:06] it seems all copies of Windows must be destroyed with nuclear devices [07:06] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [07:06] Camarade_Tux, oh, count me in :D [07:07] etf (n=eu@189-72-159-15.pmjce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: [07:07] Action: Camarade_Tux wonders if he'll have enough strippers [07:09] but what about nuclear devices to stop all Windows copies... those are more important [07:09] all options are on the table [07:09] dchmelik: and what is your offer? everyone gets an openbsd desktop, no X? even more cruel than a nuclear present for redmond :p [07:10] I am not sure there would be a desktop left but you should be able to encode a GNU/Linux in your mind [07:10] High_Priest (i=1000@cable-89-216-149-185.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [07:11] john_dee: I did not mean the X Window system was included [07:13] oh, mighty monochrome powder [07:14] am i supposed to watch my pr0n in ascii for the rest of my life?! noooo [07:16] john_dee: use mplayer -vo fb (or something like that)! ;) [07:16] and we should all run the HURD [07:17] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [07:17] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl19-221.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:18] hello everyone [07:21] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:22] hi Lord_Khelben [07:22] :) hi Camarade_Tux [07:22] SlackNeo1 (n=SlackNeo@190.176.134.71) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:24] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [07:25] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.139.53) joined ##slackware. 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[09:06] No manual entry for win [09:07] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:09] I_am_slack (i=user@77.51.39.142) left ##slackware. [09:13] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:14] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:17] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: "leaving" [09:25] KDE is driving me CRAZY! [09:25] kde4.x ? [09:26] indeed [09:26] kde is driving everybody crazy [09:26] thanks God there are also other DEs [09:27] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-11-126.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [09:27] nah, I like kde4 [09:27] it's just that one problem I face right now [09:27] Pat should build kde-3.x and qt-338 and put it in /extra for those that dont want kde4.x [09:27] then let it drive you crazy :) [09:27] it's insane :/ [09:27] FameNag (n=FameNag@c-98-230-191-150.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:27] what problem do you have ? [09:28] ha has no gf :| [09:28] Action: Wizard hides [09:28] there is a new hdparm 9.16, is it going into slack 13 [09:28] FameNag: unlikely. [09:28] Lord_Khelben: compositing doesn't work anymore after upgrading to 2.6.30.1 [09:28] i have 2.6.30 and it works. do you want me to test anything ? [09:29] (nvidia card + nvidia binary driver) [09:29] Lord_Khelben: if only I knew what... [09:29] Lord_Khelben: do you use SELinux? [09:29] nvidia driver is loading fine, so does the composite extension [09:29] pprkut: alot of people had the issue, only after the latest update to -current; switching to nv apparently fixed it (?) [09:29] thrice`: was about to try that right now [09:30] RipVanWinkle: the nsa selinux ? no. its just my home workstation box [09:30] pprkut: sorry, just hear-say though, as I am an intel + xfce guy ;) I think there were 3 or 4 last night with it, though [09:31] hm let me try cube/present windows/etc. i also have upgraded to latest -current but i think effects work [09:31] theres an article at /. about that 2.6.30.x & SELinux (vulnerability of some sort) [09:31] RipVanWinkle: ah thank you for mentioning that [09:31] i read good opinions about selinux but i never tried it. i found it a bit complicated [09:31] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.11) joined ##slackware. [09:31] i had only used lids in the past [09:32] thrice`: nope, doesn't help. Though it really seems nvidia related [09:32] new libpng [09:33] thrice`: with nv the systray is working fine, with nvidia I only see icons of gtk-apps [09:33] i used SELinux for a short time a few years ago, all it seemed to do for me was make Linux more of a pain in the arse than it needed to be [09:33] pprkut: yes, systray was another issue they were mentioning [09:33] awesome [09:33] slack64 works fine, that's what's bugging me most :/ [09:34] ah maybe thats why mine works.i use slack64 -current [09:35] when slack 13 comes out should i use 32 bit or 64 bit [09:35] FameNag: whichever you like [09:35] how much ram do you have ? [09:35] 2g [09:35] 64-bit [09:35] 2 of AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 244 [09:35] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.156.63) joined ##slackware. [09:36] with 2gb you aren't forced to use 64bit, but 64bit is mature for some time now, so i don't see any reason not to use it [09:36] does flash work [09:37] yes it works fine (well as fine as the 32bit one does) [09:37] do you need multiple object files for libraries still [09:37] no, there is a 64-bit flash release [09:41] mac-_ (n=mac@sunrise.pi.net.pl) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:42] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:43] anyone here running 2.6.30.1 with an XF-i sound blaster? [09:43] anyone got dx2-xl working on slackware (or even linux actually)? [09:43] i use 2.6.30.4 [09:43] .4 ? [09:44] its been out for a while [09:44] like a month [09:44] The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.30.1 [09:44] kernel.org ^ [09:45] um, anyway [09:45] sadsfae (n=will@funcamp.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:45] do you have an XF-i card thogh? [09:45] kernel.org is wrong [09:46] lol [09:46] FameNag: I promise you that 2.6.30.1 is the latest [09:46] dont feed the troll [09:47] anyway [09:47] I successfully upgraded to 2.6.30.4 yesterday [09:47] got wireless working instantly. [09:47] aaaaaaand ur af aggot [09:47] #care, go troll elsewhere. [09:47] when I went to install my card drivers. It said the ALSA driver was already installed? [09:47] yeah im trolling [09:47] However, the sound driver wasn't actually on? [09:48] alsaconf is your friend [09:48] I'm thinking I might re-build, and deselect ALSA all together. [09:48] would be kind enough to go trolling somewhere else ? [09:48] s/would/would you/ [09:48] Alsaconf never brings anything up for me rob0 [09:48] illuz1oN| why dont you unmute the channels [09:48] Lord_Khelben| why dont you go stfu somewhere else [09:48] besides alsaconf, /ignore is our friend [09:48] or help illuz1oN so he stops trolling [09:48] ... [09:49] Yes, I'm such a troll aren't I. [09:49] If he was going to STFU, would it actually be necessary for him to do it someplace else? Seems redundant. [09:49] yes im sure we are all trolls as long as some tard says so [09:49] gez512 (n=b@host-87-242-37-28.prtelecom.hu) joined ##slackware. [09:50] So much for the help. [09:50] >.> [09:50] try to unmute the channels [09:50] check the dmesg [09:50] make sure you dont have an audio daemon that got compatibility borked [09:51] try cat /dev/urandom >/dev/dsp [09:51] >.> [09:51] try something instead of just asking these trolls for help [09:51] I'll boot into 2.6.30.1 - brb. [09:51] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:52] I successfully upgraded to 2.6.30.4 yesterday [09:53] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Connection timed out [09:53] sadsfae (n=will@funcamp.net) joined ##slackware. [09:53] The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.30.1 [09:54] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [09:54] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [09:55] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.43) joined ##slackware. [09:56] anyone try this game http://happypenguin.org/images/science_girls_screenshot_2.png [09:56] root@purpl3x:/home/illuz# alsaconf [09:56] modinfo: could not find module snd [09:56] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [09:56] Channel flood from illuz1oN -- kicking [09:56] modinfo: could not find module snd [09:56] illuz1oN kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [09:56] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [09:56] osht. sry [09:56] I get that right before alsaconf's menu pops up [09:56] ok that means you didnt compile soundcore into your kernel [09:57] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [09:57] illuz1oN, start with a known good config before compiling a custom kernel. [09:57] I had alsa selected in the config. [09:57] Should I just leave the standard config, and re-compile? [09:57] did you use makeoldonfig [09:57] make oldconfig [09:57] no I did not, do you suggest I do so? [09:57] yes then make [09:57] hitest (i=hitest@h24-207-29-70.dlt.dccnet.com) joined ##slackware. [09:57] make oldconfig; make [09:58] aight [09:58] you should use the slackware .config if you can [09:58] Action: rob0 just uses the Slackware generic kernel, unless there's a good reason not to [09:58] okay. i'll re-compile the kernel. [09:58] oh, you need .30? [09:59] I might be trying .30 soon [09:59] after make you have to do make modules_install and all that [09:59] hitest (i=hitest@h24-207-29-70.dlt.dccnet.com) left irc: Client Quit [09:59] yeah [09:59] reinstall lilo, reboot, reinstall nvidia if sound works [09:59] ati* [09:59] :P [09:59] TROLL [09:59] and rob0, I just like to stay current. [09:59] I don't have time to do that. :) [09:59] FameNag (n=FameNag@c-98-230-191-150.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:00] I might want .30 for master mode in ath5k, but that would be the only benefit above the Slackware 29.5 [10:00] ah [10:00] I was on standard 2.6.27.7 [10:00] comp_ (n=comp_@h219-110-188-239.catv02.itscom.jp) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:00] Shaman286 (n=lucas@189.71.34.149) joined ##slackware. [10:01] rob0: 29.6 :P [10:02] right now I'm using a kludgy two-stage access point ... an older machine is running madwifi in master mode, my gateway/DHCPd machine is running ath5k as a client of that one. [10:02] pprkut, I'm still on .5 [10:03] omg, so noob [10:03] ndiswrapper <3 [10:03] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-122-248.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:05] ugh [10:06] the latest k3b for KDE4 was for April 7th, it's very old. [10:07] none of k3b rebuilt in the changelog [10:07] and it's still unstable, please update it. [10:09] you update it [10:10] who is to say it doesn't get worse? [10:10] Apr 7th's kde/k3b-r948463-i486-1.tgz isn't over Jul 11th's l/qt-r994599-i486-1.txz [10:11] Once I've made the kernel, and ran "make install_modules" [10:11] modules_install * [10:11] ah [10:11] I copy bzImage to /boot, but do I also System.map etc? [10:11] "make help" is your friend too [10:11] maxote: dont blame Pat and/or Slackware, blame the kde/k3b developers they wrote the code, Pat only builds Slackware packages [10:12] ah, ty rob [10:12] System.map is optional. I keep it, but nothing really uses it. (syslogd(8) *can* use it, but does not, in Slackware.) [10:13] ah okay. [10:13] Cause when I installed 2.6.30.1 before, I just copied bzImage, and it seemed to boot fine. [10:13] but on boot, it asks me for a VESA/VGA buffer? [10:14] im such a noob =/ [10:16] Another potential friend is in /topic, http://slackbook.org [10:19] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. 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[10:43] alsamixer doesn't even open [10:44] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [10:46] illuz1oN run this command and then paste output to this channel: cat /proc/asound/modules [10:46] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-76-208-82-228.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:47] No such file or directory [10:47] john_dee (n=id@93-81-3-168.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [10:47] illuz1oN as root: lspci |grep -i "multi\|audio\|040[0-3]" and post output to this chan [10:48] armence (n=armence@c-67-188-229-128.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:48] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-9-59.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:48] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-0-225.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:48] 05:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB X-Fi [10:48] ooOoOOoOOOoo fancy! [10:48] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [10:48] iirc, there's a beta driver for the x-fi [10:48] It worked perfectly under 2.6.27.7 [10:49] XFiDrv_Linux_Public_US_1.18.tar.gz [10:49] I used that for 2.6.27.7 [10:49] you'll probably have to reinstall it after every kernel upgrade for the moment. [10:49] illuz1oN: think you need alsa drivers version 1.0.20 for xfi support [10:49] illuz1oN: 051509 Sound Blaster X-Fi driver is called snd-ctxfi http://mailman.alsa-project.org/pipermail/alsa-devel/2009-May/017332.html [10:49] Is there any reason people keep on starting their messages with "iirc, " ? [10:50] iirc -> if i recall correctly [10:50] armence: other than "if i recall correctly?" [10:50] illuz1oN: this may not be current info: cards supported: http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&thread.id=132288 [10:50] Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty [10:50] that is my card [10:50] ok [10:50] I see, not the client name then... [10:50] "Inane Internet Relay Chat" [10:50] I've had it working perfectly under 2.6.27.7 [10:51] illuz1oN: which alsa sound module did your xfi card use when it worked? [10:51] rob0: s/Inane/Incorrect/ ? [10:52] I have no idea gnubien, it just installed perfectly, I rebooted and sound was working [10:53] Ignorance in rapid chatter [10:53] illuz1oN: so you've updated the kernel and now it can't find the old module? Have you installed it again since changing kernels? [10:53] illuz1oN boot the latest ubuntu live CD and test sound; if sound works your install is broken somehow OR your alsa drivers are too old OR you have an alsa bug [10:53] gez512 (n=b@host-87-242-37-28.prtelecom.hu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:54] okay this is fucked up. [10:54] This is how it went [10:54] Yesterday, I installed the 2.6.30.1 kernel [10:54] sound failed, drivers didnt install. [10:54] so I re-tried today, followed same steps (except used make oldconfig) [10:55] The driver's have installed, and I have sound. [10:55] illuz1oN: did you compile kernel with alsa in kernel or as modules? [10:55] illuz1oN: what does this say? ls /lib/modules/2.6.3* ? [10:55] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:55] root@purpl3x:/home/illuz/src/XFiDrv_Linux_Public_US_1.00# ls /lib/modules/2.6.3*build@ modules.ccwmap modules.isapnpmap modules.symbols [10:55] kernel/ modules.dep modules.ofmap modules.symbols.bin [10:55] misc/ modules.dep.bin modules.order modules.usbmap [10:55] Channel flood from illuz1oN -- kicking [10:55] modules.alias modules.ieee1394map modules.pcimap source@ [10:55] modules.alias.bin modules.inputmap modules.seriomap [10:55] illuz1oN kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [10:55] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [10:55] ha [10:55] gnubien, I made sure I included them as kernel and not modules [10:55] or was that the wrong thing to do? [10:55] no symlinks allowed [10:56] do you have a /lib/modules/2.6.30* ? [10:56] 2 sec [10:57] 4.0K drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4.0K 2009-07-18 15:53 2.6.30.1/ [10:57] yup [10:59] Thanks guys :D [10:59] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:00] fredoslack (n=fredosla@90.60.104.74) left ##slackware. [11:01] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@189.110.79.42) joined ##slackware. [11:02] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.19.85) left irc: "Leaving." [11:02] If I upgrade my hardware to 64 bits, is there an easy way to upgrade my kernel and software to reflect that without modifying my configuration? [11:04] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:04] armence, if you have a 32bit platform, and are going to change to a 64bit platform, it is most likely that you need to do an install [11:04] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-11-126.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Saindo" [11:04] As I can't imagine that you are so lucky that the m.b. has the same hardware as the 32bits one [11:05] armence, You would end up replacing basically every package anyway. It would take just as long to reinstall. [11:05] huh? Most 64bit processors will scale back to 32 when the kernel is a 32bit kernel. [11:05] backup + re-install if you're changing software architecture, I think is easiest. [11:06] you won't gain much by upgrading to 64 bit ... [11:06] um ... UPGRADE.txt might work, but there could be some gotchas which I doubt you're prepared to deal with. [11:06] and gotchas which would require backing up stuff anyway, "justincase" [11:07] Oakenfold (n=eduardo@190.42.80.233) joined ##slackware. [11:07] InspectorCluseau: sure you will! You'll gain the ability to not run wine stuff without many tricks - breaking the windows chain forever!! muahahahahahahahhahahahaha [11:07] Inspector, x86_64 does not have the 4GB RAM ceiling that 32-bit does. [11:07] InspectorCluseau: really? I can rip DVD's in almost half the time [11:07] doh! [11:07] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:07] generating md5sums takes much less time, too. [11:07] So verifying the dvds after they're burned is nice & quikc. [11:08] There are serious performance gains for certain computational-intensive tasks on 64 bit hardware. If all you do is check email and surf the web...well that is another story [11:08] exactly [11:08] it's a free enhancement, just use it [11:08] applications can see more than 3gb memory, there is no 16tb disk access limit [11:08] OK, thanks [11:09] multimedia/crypto applications gain performance [11:09] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [11:09] ls/cp won't gain much :) [11:09] my point is that expecting some amazing improvement by upgrading to 64 bit will be dissapointing [11:10] some progs may be slower due to long integers/floats/etc [11:10] but generally why not go for 64bit if you can [11:10] you should run 16-bit InspectorCluseau, 32-bit sucks too [11:10] the drawbacks are minimal [11:10] petar (n=petar@77-56-181-136.dclient.hispeed.ch) joined ##slackware. [11:10] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [11:10] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:10] haw haw http://secondpagemedia.com/blog/?p=193 [11:11] 64 bit is the way to go ... just don't expect fireworks [11:12] that's generally fair to say, but "fireworks" are relative. [11:13] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.163.75) joined ##slackware. [11:13] Like thrice`s example, if he encodes a lot of DVDs, that might be a spectacular improvement. [11:14] genericFlounder (n=genericF@cblmdm72-240-213-70.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [11:14] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@189.110.79.42) left irc: "te mais pessoal" [11:17] lsmod shows that they're are no snd modules active o.o [11:17] (trying to get headset working now) [11:17] modprobe snd_audio_usb fails [11:17] modprobe snd_usb_audio * fails [11:17] FATAL: Module snd_usb_audio not found [11:17] modprobe --list | grep snd [11:18] illuz1oN: when you compiled your own kernel, did you run "make modules_install" ? [11:18] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:18] I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that it's because you don't have a snd_usb_audio.ko. [11:18] I did thrice` [11:18] ok [11:18] modprobe --list | grep -i xfi [11:18] Camarade_Tux: ohai dint cyu thhurrrrr [11:18] root@purpl3x:/home/illuz# modprobe --list | grep -i xfi [11:18] /lib/modules/2.6.30.1/kernel/drivers/ssound/ctxfi.ko [11:18] grep snd brings nothing [11:18] eviljames: ='( [11:18] and does modprobe ctxfi give you any issues? [11:18] grep snd brings nothing? err, you have a serious problem then :P [11:19] Camarade_Tux: unless he built all the snd modules into the kernel. [11:19] nope evil [11:19] I used make oldconfig [11:19] blahh. ;/ [11:20] that's good, as long as you put a legit .config file in there first [11:20] eviljames: if you build the sound modules in the kernel, you notice it as 1- you get about four error messages at boot when the init scripts try to load them, 2- alsaconf doesn't work well ;) [11:21] A properly-configured kernel should never require manual loading of USB modules. USB should be plug-and-play, if the device is supported at all. [11:21] again, this worked flawlessly in 2.6.27.7 o.o [11:22] hrm. In the CRTC vs. ISPs of Canada case, the commissioner is candice molnar. [11:22] I think I'm going to start a campaign to give Ingo the title of Commissioner. [11:23] lol :) [11:24] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-161-56-61.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:25] should I try again rob0... [11:26] try going back to 2.6.27.7 and see if it still works, you mean? [11:27] recompiling 2.6.30.1 [11:27] I've kept 2.6.27.7 [11:27] Incase I mess up .30.1 [11:27] but Should I try make menuconfig [11:27] good man! Did you get burned by that in the past, or learned from someone else's mistake? :D [11:27] nope, I'm just not stupid [11:28] and I've suffered Kernel panics with Debian before :P [11:28] Oh that is not a question you should ask me. I *never* recommend kernel upgrades for no real reason. Sure, you learn some things that way, but I've always said beginners will do better if they focus on learning general Unix tools and skills. [11:28] yes, definitely. I don't care who says I'm wimpy for using ncurses interface - menuconfig is the way. [11:28] I'll try menuconfig [11:28] rob0: I think miscellaneous kernel upgrades can teach general unix tools/skills + as a bonus a little about architecture of the system. [11:28] and see if I can select the usb shit as modules [11:28] Kernel skills are rather meaningless in the real world of administration, because distributors' kernels Just Work. [11:29] The reason I wanted to learn how to upgrade the kernel, was because incase local root exploits come out. [11:29] illuz1oN: and there was one. in 2.6.30 [11:29] distros provide new kernels when that happens :) [11:29] so many boxes were rooted when vmsplice came out [11:29] eviljames: wasn't that only with selinux, or? [11:29] selinux yes [11:30] the way GCC i think optimized it [11:30] there wasn't any flaws in the code, just the way it was compiled [11:30] I'm still pissed because ~10 years ago I was fooled by some poorly-worded and clue-deficient HOWTO into compiling a custom kernel on my 80386! :) [11:30] thrice`: I didn't think itw as exclusively for SElinux, but illuz1oN is half right. [11:30] (I did it, I made it work, but it was totally unnecessary.) [11:31] I too got in the "must compile my own" for a coule years, but with the 2.6.major.minor crap, I quit doing it so much [11:31] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:31] yeah [11:31] I'll upgrade unless theirs a new major, or exploits [11:32] petar (n=petar@77-56-181-136.dclient.hispeed.ch) left irc: "leaving" [11:32] When you're in this Linux thing for the long haul, as thrice` and I are, you choose where to focus your efforts. [11:32] and get lazy [11:32] I only upgrade when there is a feature I need. [11:32] nothing wrong with that! [11:32] eviljames: menuconfig is the only way imho, there are simply too many options, it's unmanageable otherwise [11:32] oh, I mean, mm, change your efforts [11:32] however, there are 0day's in OpenSSH & LiteSpeed [11:33] illuz1oN: really, don't worry about these things [11:33] I don't. [11:33] often it's FUD. [11:33] while discussing with urchlay yesterday, I had a good one sentence summary of the exploit. [11:33] Right, which is why you should focus on general admin and Unix user skills. Watch your email for Slackware security announcements, relax. [11:33] i doubt anyone has been effected by the 2.6.30 "h0le" [11:34] yeah. [11:34] I doubt anyone could have been affected by it, TwinReverb said he couldn't compile it. [11:34] tooly (n=tooly@e178144196.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:34] I could compile it [11:34] however, it segfaulted when I ran it. [11:34] Did it work for you illuz1oN? [11:34] especially this secret openssh hack that someone has found ;) [11:34] it segfaulted [11:34] thrice`: I'm almost certain that's FUD. [11:34] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [11:34] thrice`, the reason I mentioned it is because I know the 2 guys who found it. [11:35] these Anti-Sec guy's, aren't the real AntiSec. [11:35] I used to work with the one who found the LiteSpeed flaw [11:35] illuz1oN: then, why has it not been published? [11:35] They're fighting against Full Disclosure (apparently). [11:35] DeadlyData & a guy called Romeo. [11:36] LiteSpeed is what? [11:36] It's a http server [11:36] eviljames, i will note however that -current isn't using 2.6.30.x yet and it (kernel) has other supposed issues such as intel video drivers [11:36] much like Apache [11:36] i am only using the generic-smp from -current for testing purposes (albeit the only change is <*> EXT4) [11:36] Yeah, but here in Slackwareland, we use apache httpd. [11:36] many websites run LiteSpeed [11:36] Imageshack for one, which was one of their victims. [11:36] todo: ask for a readme in the folder with all the intel video drivers [11:37] he's been trying to find flaw's in it for a long time (he asked me to help in just over a year ago) [11:37] so I guess he found one, anyway. I'm off to re-compile this kernel [11:37] apache had a recent issue [11:37] look up slowloris [11:38] yeah, I read about it. [11:38] but DoS is nothing compared to a remote BoF dropping a root shell, is it? [11:38] And when it does, Pat sends us an email with a link to the patched package. :) [11:38] eviljames, much less due to the type of hole discovered, i am assuming it came from pulse audio (i.e. a setuid hole) but we don't run pulse audio so there's your protection lol [11:40] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC0371E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:40] good, new packages downloading [11:41] I actually use the 2.6.30.1 kernel.. So let's hope nobody roots my box :) [11:41] it's not remote plee [11:41] give us a reason we'd want to first 8-P [11:41] so they'd first have to get in elsewhere :P [11:41] Action: TwinReverb falls asleep [11:41] better disconnect from the internetz, just to be safe [11:43] if you are asleep during a netsplit you become a zombie [11:43] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-57-103.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [11:44] illuz1oN, not remote, unless you have a service that uses on of the features that have the flaw.. [11:44] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:44] yeah [11:44] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl19-221.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes!" [11:44] thrice`, yeah.. I'm taking down my firewall right now.. hehe [11:44] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [11:44] http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2009-July/069716.html <- i hadn't noticed they sounded like lame script kiddies :) [11:44] rob0 [11:45] I've found "USB Audio/MIDI driver" in menuconfig [11:45] it wasn't selected, neither as kernel nor module. should I select it as kernel? [11:45] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.60.216) joined ##slackware. [11:45] illuz1oN: module [11:46] then use modprobe snd_usb_audio? [11:46] Again (as I said quite some time back) you should have started with a known good config. It would have been properly selected as a module. [11:46] 15:21 < rob0> A properly-configured kernel should never require manual loading of USB modules. USB should be plug-and-play, if the device is supported at all. [11:47] rob0: no one is paying attention to what you're sayin! [11:47] well, it's selected as a module now [11:47] esb (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:48] LD [M] sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.o [11:48] LD [M] sound/usb/snd-usb-lib.o [11:48] :D [11:48] john_dee (n=id@93-81-3-168.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:48] Camarade_Tux, hehe :) nice [11:48] Oakenfold (n=eduardo@190.42.80.233) left irc: "leaving" [11:49] Camarade_Tux, I can't even begin to express the sheer...I don't even know what I feel about this person. [11:50] Kernel config rule of thumbs: If you don't understand it, and if it can be a module, make it so. Then later if you understand it, it's only a modprobe away. [11:50] They're the very embodiment of WRONG. [11:50] esb (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Client Quit [11:50] rob0: I don't have rules [11:50] thumbs anarchy! [11:54] ccfreak2k: I think he deserves a lollipop for writing a message that long >< [11:55] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.134.70) joined ##slackware. [11:56] Camarade_Tux: wtf [11:56] Camarade_Tux: That message looks like "we r bunch o' skirpt kidz don't EFF around!!!!!" [11:57] eviljames: I would say it _only_ looks like that ;) [11:57] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [11:57] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-175-215.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [11:58] If those are the people who are this 'anti-sec' group.. well, I don't know if I should even bother doing software updates, it sounds like they're going to be trying to winnuke machines off the net all day long. [11:58] MrJackson (n=MrJackso@cpe-24-94-41-123.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:58] ut oh, did anti-sec do something else now? [11:58] sorry ms jackson (oooh!) i am for reeeaallllll.. [11:59] The writer of that post obviously fails to understand how commercial software vendors tend to work. [11:59] antiwire: threatning e-mail on full disclosure list. well, it attempts to be threatening but comes across as "we downloades sploit codez 'n' r gunnah useum!" [12:00] antiwire: Camarade_Tux posted: http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2009-July/069718.html [12:00] err [12:00] wrong [12:00] 716 ;) [12:00] http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2009-July/069716.html <- that one [12:01] mesa 7.5 released :o [12:01] Well, they're "currently mastering SQL Injection" attacks! PHEAR [12:02] ^^ [12:02] that's probably one of the lamest message I've ever seen ;p [12:02] SQL Injections are so 2005 - everybody sanitizes their input these days. [12:02] _budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [12:02] right? Everybody DOES sanitize their input, right?! [12:03] haha, phear me, I'm running nmap-5.00! [12:03] MrJacks0n (n=MrJackso@cpe-24-94-41-123.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection refused [12:04] http://lwn.net/Articles/341862/ <- but how many packages does ubuntu have, I got tired of scrolling [12:04] lawd. that post sounds like something out of swordfish or hackers [12:04] There's an nmap 5.00? [12:04] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [12:05] <_budo> why not create a filesystem that hides a file existence from the users with no rights to that file? [12:05] _budo, what kind of rights? [12:05] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:06] ccfreak2k: released recenly and packaged in slackware ;) [12:06] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [12:06] <_budo> no rights at all...no read, no write, and no execute [12:06] .:eviljames:. SQL Injections are so 2005 - everybody sanitizes their input these days. [12:06] yeah right [12:06] The amount of sites that are vuln right now is CRAZY. [12:06] On a filesystem with POSIX permissions, set -x to the folder. [12:07] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:27d) joined ##slackware. [12:07] Blind Injection / Benchmark injection is where it's at now. [12:07] <_budo> it hides the folder and its files? [12:07] zomg, slackware.com has port 80 opened, run, run, run! [12:08] I even found a phone company with benchmark injection, Was able to get access to th sms server :o [12:08] free worldwide texts :D [12:08] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) joined ##slackware. [12:08] what are benchmark/blind injections? [12:08] <_budo> ccfreak set -x does that? [12:08] wich filesystem your recommend to a hd with 5400 rpm and a laptop used for workstation, i don't like the delayed write in ext4, what you think? [12:08] Blind is when the injection occurs in a WHERE clause [12:08] pm me Camarade_Tux [12:09] I'd say xfs but you may not like it either then :P [12:09] Camarade_Tux, you use xfs? [12:10] gabriel: yes [12:11] wachbirn (n=wachbirn@pns-200-010.demo.tuwien.ac.at) joined ##slackware. [12:11] mac- (n=mac@sunrise.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:11] rignes (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:12] genericFlounder (n=genericF@cblmdm72-240-213-70.buckeyecom.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:13] eviljames, http://pastebin.com/m5819b1fb [12:14] That's a script to take advantage of the benchmark SQL Injection's [12:14] i3lack0p (n=wsp4th@adsl-074-167-057-025.sip.jan.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [12:15] Camarade_Tux, you was probe ReiserFS i think [12:15] I have an issue... I had about 2000 emails that didnt get out due to firewall failure cause them to get denied relay and dumped into root's mailbox... is there a way or script anyone knows about to process the root's mailbox for these failed messages and dump them back into the outbound spool? [12:16] http://pastebin.com/m912ec45 - example output eviljames [12:16] esb_ (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:17] gabriel: what? [12:17] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-161-56-61.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:17] Camarade_Tux, you've tried reiserfs? [12:18] gabriel: no, never but close and knowledgeable friends advised me against it [12:18] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.9.94) joined ##slackware. [12:19] I just compiled icecat 3.5 and browse thevideobay.org ... really interesting - anyone tried it? [12:19] i3lack0p, a mbox-to-maildir conversion script could break them into maildir (one file per message), and you could pipe those to sendmail(1). Another choice might be formail(1), which I think comes with the procmail package. [12:20] thevideobay working, nice :) [12:22] Camarade_Tux: yeah, but I think thevideobay will not live long [12:23] as they said, they will not delete copyrighted material and so on [12:23] I was mostly saying "nice" from a technical point-of-view ;p [12:23] sure :P [12:23] illuz1oN: well, providing that you have a coder worth their salt, the input will be sanitized and these scritps won't work. [12:24] yes [12:24] but so many sites are still vuln. [12:24] especially to blind [12:24] That makes me sorta happy, though. I can try to get contracts to fix those sites. [12:24] use ocsigen :) [12:24] yay! neverending work! [12:24] an example would be the vbarcade [12:24] disclaimer: ocsigen is written in ocaml and you know me [12:25] That had a blind injection, 'forumer' was vuln. 300K plaintext user:pass [12:26] ggl.com _was_ vuln to sql inj, gametrailers were, and so on. [12:26] 4chan's host were vuln. [12:26] we got in. but then 4chan got ddos'd and moved host -.-' [12:26] haha :P [12:26] hahah, my latest lulz were over Twitter using john:password on their backend. [12:27] yeah, we were devastated. [12:27] imagine that? rm -rf / on 4chan. [12:27] I can't imagine it would matter too much, how long from the time that something is posted to the time it expires? [12:27] plus there's the 4chan archive [12:27] brixton- (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [12:28] yes, but the fact that 4chan would of been hacked [12:28] It was with the guys who have found the OpenSSH & LiteSpeed vulns too. [12:28] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:28] Until I see proof of openssh exploit, I won't believe it. [12:28] illuz1oN, imagine different 1000 hacked servers to be updated manually, it will take many weeks to fix them. [12:28] yea [12:28] the vuln was in Modernbill. [12:29] benchmark inj [12:29] noisesinmyhead (i=hadriel@forkbomb.nl) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:29] brb food x) [12:29] half of them are exposed to insecurity [12:30] because there are not maintainers, etc. [12:30] That's because they all seem to think security is a product they can buy off a shelf. [12:30] dramz (n=dramz@174.81-166-32.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:30] petar (n=petar@77-56-181-136.dclient.hispeed.ch) joined ##slackware. [12:30] And, as you may note from the backlog, the consensus opinion in here is that it is a process, not a product. [12:30] noisesinmyhead (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:31] I see that there has been a new release of wine. "Wine 1.1.26 Released" [12:31] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:31] Anyone trying it yet? [12:31] usr13: oooh! I might try it out tomorrow.. gotta do a wedding today. [12:31] Action: eviljames <- wants to play some wc3 [12:31] We will try no wine, before its time. [12:32] I was wondering if I could use the slackbuilds script on it? [12:32] rob0: when you rhyme it makes me wine. [12:32] eviljames, no need to whine [12:32] usr13: very, very likely that the script from SBo will work with only minor adjustments. [12:33] eviljames: Ok, well, thought I might try it. [12:33] illuz1oN, what the hell is that [12:33] what the hell is what? [12:33] the ph p you wrote [12:33] modernbill was vulnerable ? [12:33] My grand kids are into wizard101 and thought I might get it going on my PC for them to play. [12:33] That was from an old TV ad for some California mass-producer of wine, "SELL no wine ..." [12:33] Modernbill was vulnerable yes. [12:34] (Just not a MS Winblows sort of guy...) [12:34] Rizon (irc network), was also hacked. using modernbill vuln. [12:34] had access to a leaf [12:34] heh [12:34] usr13 probably remembers it :) [12:34] petar (n=petar@77-56-181-136.dclient.hispeed.ch) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:34] are you commenting on my php skills, or what the php script does? [12:34] rob0: I sure doo. [12:34] As I am aware of how shit my php is :P [12:35] "Roy Tan, the Cigar that breathes" [12:35] dramz (n=dramz@174.81-166-32.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [12:35] haha [12:35] "I'd rather fight than switch" [12:35] You'd DAMN! [12:35] I was gonna type that [12:35] :) [12:36] what's bench support to be as an argument [12:36] beat u 2 the punch? [12:36] I'm aroused... and confused.... [12:36] jeev, a number. [12:36] pm and i'll explain [12:38] gotta. buy. food. [12:38] comrad [12:38] stalingrad has good food, no ? [12:38] elderK (n=elderk@222-152-15-122.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [12:39] maybe but not this room ='( [12:39] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl4-166-28.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:39] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:40] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:40] Camarade_Tux: If you ever wanted to write a great song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD9zfw_b-3k [12:40] <|alisonken1churc> rob0: and yes - I remember those as well :) [12:40] hmmm, crisps, beer, pizzas, chocolate, eggs, ham, cheese, pastas [12:41] Camarade_Tux: k, I just mixed all that stuff in a blender and drank the result. GROSS YOU SUCK. [12:41] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl8-109-183.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:41] esb_ (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left ##slackware. [12:42] eviljames: hahaha :P [12:42] eviljames: :D [12:42] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-175-215.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Success [12:43] eviljames: what's the group you love (the one with Vilain or something like that)? [12:43] Camarade_Tux: hail the villain? they're my latest obsession... [12:43] yeah :) [12:44] petar (n=petar@77-56-181-136.dclient.hispeed.ch) joined ##slackware. [12:46] petar (n=petar@77-56-181-136.dclient.hispeed.ch) left ##slackware. [12:46] eviljames: nice, now I need a better "rip", my mp3 player and my headphones [12:46] s/headphones/hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm/ [12:48] Thom1 (n=Thom1@79.84.233.51) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [12:48] so guys, anyone running the latest -current and using the nvidia proprietary drivers? I have something for you to try [12:48] antiwire: I'm your man ;) [12:48] kde4? [12:48] nope :D [12:48] <|alisonken1churc> antiwire: still trying to verify, or just get a bunch of suckers :) [12:48] darn [12:48] |alisonken1churc: lol [12:48] blacksheep (n=blackshe@97-115-178-251.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] pprkut hit it today too, I think [12:49] how do i go about viewing a list of all installed packaged on the system? [12:49] blacksheep: ls /var/log/packages/ [12:49] thrice`: did you see what I found last night? Unlock your widgets. Now right click the panel and choose 'Panel Options' then 'Panel Settings'. Now grab the system tray and move it to the right, off the screen. [12:49] <|alisonken1churc> blacksheep: ls /var/log/packages [12:49] slackpkg? sbopkg? [12:49] antiwire: what was the thing? [12:49] sweet [12:49] Camarade_Tux: ^^ [12:49] antiwire: sorry, I'm not on kde4 either :> [12:49] <|alisonken1churc> blacksheep: optionally, run pkgtool, select "remove package" and browse that way [12:49] hehe [12:49] thanks thrice` and |alisonken1churc [12:49] wtf, why is it wet under my desk? [12:50] Camarade_Tux: you forgot your depends today? [12:50] <|alisonken1churc> Camarade_Tux: you forgot to raise your hand and ask for the bathroom key? [12:50] antiwire: he, I'm wondering ;p [12:50] High_Priest (i=1000@cable-89-216-149-185.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "..." [12:50] antiwire: yeah, untestable here :D [12:51] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.72.55) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [12:51] Action: Camarade_Tux still don't get how people prefer kde4 to http://omploader.org/vMXpqdg :o [12:51] eviljames: don't click! [12:54] fluxbox ftw [12:54] indeed [12:55] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.58.37.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [12:56] I still think we should have a /usr/games/robots competition [12:57] Lo folks :P [12:57] hi [12:57] middle :) [12:58] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:58] way out of range! [12:58] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [12:59] bah, I have troubles scoring more than 2000-ish points in robots ='( [12:59] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.72.55) joined ##slackware. [13:00] antiwire: interesting [13:00] pprkut: ;) [13:01] kde or nvidia at fault? [13:01] <|alisonken1churc> pprkut: indications are nvidia [13:01] I have an issue... I had about 2000 emails that didnt get out due to firewall failure cause them to get denied relay and dumped into root's mailbox... is there a way or script anyone knows about to process the root's mailbox for these failed messages and dump them back into the outbound spool? [13:02] pprkut: I'm pointing fingers at nvidia/Xorg [13:02] antiwire: have you reported it to nvidia? :) [13:02] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.72.55) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:02] nope [13:02] does it happen with nv too? [13:03] nope [13:03] hang on i'm about to crash my system [13:03] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [13:04] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:04] you didn't crash, did you? ='( [13:04] yep [13:04] ='( [13:04] but not the whole system [13:05] just X/KDE [13:05] I think it is X [13:05] that's not funny! ='( [13:06] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@189.110.79.42) joined ##slackware. [13:06] oh, I found out why it was slippery under my desk: spilt lube :D [13:07] LOL [13:07] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.72.55) joined ##slackware. [13:07] ewwww [13:07] my gf's sister is 11 [13:07] she found lube in her brothers room [13:07] antiwire: uuuh, don't do this in runlevel 3....bad idea ;) [13:07] and proceeded to ask what it was. XD [13:07] illuz1oN: lol :P [13:08] we just told her to put it down and never touch it again lmao [13:08] i3lack0p: are you a spammer in training? are you wanting to turn your Linux box in to a spam machine [13:08] I know a girl who always had vaseline with her (at school, in her bad), she would say it was for her lips, but she wouldn't say which ones :D [13:09] lmaoo [13:09] i3lack0p: do you have me on /ignore, or is this a write-only channel for you? [13:09] whois i3lack0p [13:09] I guess in either case, that's a stupid question. :) [13:09] lol [13:10] hahaha :P [13:10] well, really away now or I won't have anything to eat during this weekend [13:10] I shouldn't buy beer and crisps, I really shouldn't... [13:10] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:27d) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:10] antiwire: happens here only with nvidia as well, on both 32bit and 64bit [13:11] Camarade_Tux: indeed. skip the crisps .. you can buy moar beer! [13:11] antiwire, does Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true" in 'screen' make any difference? [13:12] bah [13:12] i called my friend last night with one of my phones [13:12] he called the other that was on vibrate [13:12] how funnies [13:12] BP{k}: hehe :P [13:12] lol [13:13] dive: dunno [13:13] it took me 4 different shell scripts calling one another to get this thing going [13:13] i'ms o bad [13:14] wrd (n=wrd@chello062178030197.11.11.tuwien.teleweb.at) joined ##slackware. [13:14] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:15] dive: nope [13:15] pprkut: pretty cool huh ;) [13:16] rob0: no i dont have you on ignore... and no im not a spammer in training... i just have an issue that for 2 weeks mail from our Java Servlet application havent been going out and just found out about it yesterday... mostly invoice and quotes to customers [13:16] antiwire: one more in my collection :P [13:16] hehe [13:16] antiwire: want another one? [13:17] sure [13:17] one more what [13:17] fdgffgfgfgffg [13:17] umm oops. :) [13:17] http://pastebin.org/2883 [13:18] antiwire: open systemsettings, go to Desktop and Desktop Effects and select the "All Effects" tab [13:18] is an example of of the mail in the mailbox [13:18] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:18] BP{k}: LOL [13:18] The reason I ask, I answered you about an hour ago. [13:19] i kinda filtered it cause of confidential info in it [13:19] agentc0re: and I haven't even had beer yet ;) .. darn ssh lag :) [13:19] LMAO [13:19] well it's past 10am here, so i'm clear to start drinking :P [13:19] you're way past due! [13:20] -.-' [13:20] pprkut: lucky for me I can't test that one since I disabled compositing [13:21] rob0: oh let me look back in logs... scroll back really short [13:22] antiwire: just enable "Desktop effects", should trigger it as well, even if you don't apply that setting [13:22] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:22] "i3lack0p, a mbox-to-maildir conversion script could break them into maildir (one file per message), and you could pipe those to sendmail(1). Another choice might be formail(1), which I think comes with the procmail package." [13:23] pprkut, with nvidia driver only or with nv too? [13:23] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:23] it worked then [13:23] pprkut: well that's a nice one too [13:23] same thing goes down as the system tray crash [13:24] dive: nv works fine, only nvidia is affected [13:24] is it driver dependent? [13:24] ok [13:24] antiwire: ;) [13:25] have you looked on nvidia linux forum to see if there's a fix or post about it? [13:25] antiwire: you don't happen to have no icons in the system-tray apart from gtk-apps, do you? [13:26] pprkut, that is the other problem :) [13:26] pprkut: pidgin's icon will show up but the kde plasmoids won't [13:26] invisible icons [13:26] haha [13:26] on slack32 or 64? [13:26] pprkut: add this to your screen section in xorg.conf to fix the icons Option "UseCompositeWrapper" "True" [13:26] pprkut: 32 [13:27] rob: ill give it a shot [13:27] well, cool. 64 is not affected by this :D [13:28] woah. added that setting to xorg.conf. -> instant crash :o [13:28] lol [13:29] reproducable, one app that loads a systray icon crashes x with that setting [13:29] So what we have determined over the course of about three days is that right now, the nvidia proprietary drivers and the latest version of xorg in -current are not happy [13:30] indeed [13:31] dios2 (i=FREELOVE@88.243.6.118) joined ##slackware. [13:34] hah, app identified: krandrtray [13:34] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:35] Greetings everyone. :) [13:36] fire|bird, hi [13:36] Hey dive. How's it going? [13:37] sleepy day ;) yourself? [13:37] doing great, thanks. :) [13:37] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-243.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [13:38] slak (n=slak@unaffiliated/slak) joined ##slackware. [13:39] hellow my best friends ever, that i really really love] [13:39] are we sucking up a bit there slak? :P [13:39] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:39] fire|bird, wtf1 [13:40] today you cant be polite [13:40] omfg [13:40] yeah, I can always be polite, I was just joking. :D [13:40] slak: jedi mind tricks don't work on other jedis [13:40] yo fire|bird :) [13:41] y0 Camarade_Tux. How are you? [13:41] good, thanks, and you? [13:41] nobodycaresminis (i=FREELOVE@88.243.195.238) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:41] Hey antiwire. Any more nvidia issues? any more things disappear? :P [13:41] Camarade_Tux: doing great, thanks. [13:42] That should be their slogan now "NVIDIA----We make things randomly disappear." [13:42] At least they support their old drivers. [13:43] true :) [13:43] sergio (n=Sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) joined ##slackware. [13:43] My X850 XT PE, a NEW card a scant four years ago, was dropped like a bad habit by ATI. [13:43] so my x1400 a little over 2 years old [13:43] 850? they are more than two yo [13:43] more like 3 [13:43] Four. [13:43] bkUp (n=bkUp@200-155-169-154.static.spo.ifx.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:44] March 2005. [13:44] (but I agree it's bad) [13:44] ccfreak2k: oh, I misread what you wrote >< [13:44] sergio (n=Sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) left irc: Client Quit [13:44] It's also an R400 series, which means it's 1) not fully supported by radeon, and 2) not supported by ATI either. [13:44] :D [13:44] ccfreak2k: that sucks, at least mine works with radeonhd [13:45] ccfreak2k: well, do you know anything about driver development? :D [13:46] I know enough to know that better support, if any, for r400 series will come very slowly. [13:46] I was actually suggesting you could code your own driver :D [13:48] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Gameover" [13:49] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:50] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.58.37.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:50] bought a voice recorder the other day. really surprised to see that some don't have a connection to the pc. [13:51] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "User disconnected" [13:51] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:51] cmair (n=cmair@host70-110-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:54] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [13:55] y0 antler, how are you? [13:56] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.72.55) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:56] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.59) joined ##slackware. [13:56] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.59) left irc: Client Quit [13:57] fire|bird: hey i'm good. how you doing? :) [13:57] antler: doing great, thanks. :) [13:57] antler: so, you got a recorder now? :P [13:57] supergear_ (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:57] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-073-156.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:57] man...you kde users have all the fun. I'm tryin to crash, but it just ain't happening. :P [13:58] chopp: haha [13:58] bbiab [13:58] fire|bird: yeah, records in stereo, plays mp3s, etc.... [13:58] antiwire, wtf... another star wars fan..... [13:59] back to the future is better [13:59] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [13:59] glen2 (n=glen@78-86-231-25.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:59] darkstar is better than either :-) [13:59] hmmm [13:59] cat /etc/HOSTNAME [13:59] jarjar.shangrila [13:59] hi all. i have a stupid noob question. how would i make my gateway (no mater which) also the dns automaticaly? [14:00] harls (n=harls@c-98-204-57-154.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:00] haha there's a distro called 'darkstar' (based on slackware) [14:00] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:00] really? [14:01] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [14:01] hi [14:01] doesn't quite cut it though [14:01] dive: http://www.darkstarlinux.ro/ro [14:01] antler, what's darkstar for? [14:01] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:01] lowkyalur, echo 'route add default gw x.x.x.x' >> /etc/rc.d/rc.local [14:01] my slack planted :( [14:02] maxote: i'm not sure what you mean [14:02] maxote, darkstar is an old 70's john carpenter film (his first I think) and was the hostname of Pat's pc when he began slackware [14:02] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) joined ##slackware. [14:02] and it has remained the default hostname since [14:02] it's a very good film if you can find it [14:03] slak: thank you. i will try this. [14:03] the penguin for darkstar linux is holding a light sabre [14:04] I quickly tested kde 4.3 beta 2 [14:04] fredoslack: on which distro? [14:05] it is very tempting :} [14:05] Camarade_Tux, Kubuntu-Karmic ^^ [14:05] kubuntu.... [14:05] antler, ships with FF 2.x :o [14:05] the worse kde4 [14:05] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [14:05] fredoslack: it requires PolicyKit so it will take some time before it gets into slackware [14:05] lol supergear [14:06] I'm patient :) [14:06] it is better that it remains stable ^^ [14:06] dive: hahah [14:09] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [14:11] supergear, the only good kde4 is a dead kde4 :> [14:11] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:11] lol [14:13] why? i liked kde4, at least in suse [14:14] Hey nachox, how's it going? [14:14] doing fine, about to listen to some of the talks in the kca [14:14] nachox, joke [14:14] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:15] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:15] slak: wtf wtf [14:15] ftw [14:16] antiwire, dk ftw [14:17] aeiou [14:17] sorry, aeiou ftw [14:18] andsometimesyandw ftw [14:18] offplanet (i=45ee14a4@gateway/web/freenode/x-0295a21e9a8f7474) joined ##slackware. [14:19] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [14:19] winmeftw [14:21] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:24] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [14:25] do come here sometimes Patrick V ? [14:26] he was here yesterday or the day before yesterday [14:26] it would be nice to be able to speak lol [14:26] cooool [14:26] what's is pseudonym ? [14:26] volkerdi [14:27] ok :) [14:27] I'd like to say hello at least once :p [14:29] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-64-124.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:29] remote kernel upgrades...ugh [14:29] it's usually fine but there is always that little bit of apprehension [14:29] btw, I seel t-shirts with volkerdi's sweat, 100 euros each, free delivery worldwide :) [14:30] antiwire: how distant is "remote"? [14:30] elderK (n=elderk@222-152-15-122.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "Leaving..." [14:30] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [14:30] 60 miles [14:30] oh, it's ok then :) [14:30] thats not so bad, if you screw it up you can drive that in about an hour [14:30] yeah it's alright [14:32] anyone know Diffie-Hellman? [14:33] no [14:33] (I have a very small question btw) [14:35] ok, I found the answer [14:35] josefig (n=josefig@200.56.159.156) joined ##slackware. [14:36] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [14:36] hi :) [14:36] josefig: hello [14:37] fire|bird, how are you? [14:37] josefig: doing great, thank you. yourself? [14:38] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:38] pretty good, happy with my slackware :D [14:38] I'm happy with your Slackware too [14:38] my shell is working great [14:39] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:40] i am happy that you are happy with your slackware :D [14:41] lool [14:42] I am happy that antiwire and Pig_Pen are happy that josefig is happy. [14:42] I am happy that rob0 is happy that antiwire and Pig_Pen are hapy that josefig is happy. [14:42] It makes me even happier that rob0 is happy that Pig_Pen and I are happy that josefig is happy about his Slackware. [14:43] So, let's not argue and bicker about WHO killed WHO. [14:43] lol [14:43] hahaha [14:44] josefig: It appears as though we're happy that you're happy with your slackware. :) [14:44] i will be happy when intel fix the crap with 945 video drivers =~. but im generaly happy that everyone is happy with someones happyness about slackware [14:45] hehe :D [14:45] guax: You can be happy that you don't have one of these though 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) [14:45] It's worthless [14:46] Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) [14:46] CyberS0nic (n=eduardo@189.78.57.205) joined ##slackware. [14:46] this one plays a good counter strike, but lately they have been problems with linux. new X specialy [14:47] offplanet (i=45ee14a4@gateway/web/freenode/x-0295a21e9a8f7474) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [14:47] I'd nearly have the biggest with my 8600M GS :D [14:48] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:49] i've got this: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) (prog-if 00 [VGA controlle [14:49] r]) [14:53] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-0-225.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:53] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-16.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:53] I'm happy to read that you have that. Thank you. [14:54] josefig: is that graphics controller giving you problems? [14:54] btw, can you play Duke Nukem 3D with these cards? :D [14:54] Pig_Pen, nop, it's working properly :) [14:54] hey! i like that game [14:54] it's a bummer that 3D Realms closed up shop before the "when it's done" game came out =/ [14:55] Action: misspwn streaks [14:55] yo misspwn :) [14:56] WooHoo! a nekkid slacker runs through the room [14:56] zaltekk: there is a slackbuild for eduke32 btw ;) [14:56] Camarade_Tux: what is that? [14:56] :) [14:56] Nick change: misspwn -> nix_chix0r [14:56] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:56] hohoho [14:56] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-073-156.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:56] Action: Wizard returns in glory, surrounded by dancing virgins [14:56] hi Camarade_Tux [14:57] hi! [14:57] surg (n=hotlinux@93.100.36.102) joined ##slackware. [14:58] wachbirn (n=wachbirn@pns-200-010.demo.tuwien.ac.at) left irc: "Leaving" [14:58] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [14:58] Nick change: gar0t0 -> jovem [14:59] nix_chix0r, santa? [14:59] santa? no [14:59] am i getting a pony an large hd tv? [14:59] how's it going nix_chix0r? :) [14:59] Nick change: jovem -> gar0t0 [14:59] Action: edman007 bites nix_chix0r [14:59] edman007, if i get divorced...... [14:59] Camarade_Tux: what is this eduke32? [14:59] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [14:59] did they opensource duke3d? [15:00] nix_chix0r, just give me my pony and tv [15:00] lol [15:01] prakash_s (n=drashti@210.89.32.190) joined ##slackware. [15:02] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:03] zaltekk: the engine yes, the content no [15:03] so you need some files from the game [15:03] (basically the levels) [15:04] tije (n=tije@189.175.63.44) joined ##slackware. [15:04] edman007, no [15:04] man i'm in such a good mood today [15:05] Camarade_Tux: i think i still have that yellow and black atomic logo cd somewhere [15:05] and probably the diskettes as well [15:05] i'll check it out [15:05] it could be the placebo affect from the celexa although i know it's not a sugar pill but i am getting real sleep for once and not just half sleeping [15:06] zaltekk: nice :) [15:06] nix_chix0r, please? [15:06] duke atomic is freeon the web [15:06] Idl'd it a couple weeks ago [15:07] well, windows is free too [15:07] legitimate free [15:07] the only thing i don't like about duke3d is the mouse input [15:08] edman007, goddamnit [15:08] you have a job go buy your tv:P [15:08] they are pretty cheap now [15:08] I found that even just 250mg of plain tylenol puts me to sleep [15:08] :( [15:08] plain tylenol??not tylenol pm weird [15:08] yeah [15:09] zaltekk: what's the problem with mouse input? [15:09] InspectorCluseau: you're sure? any link? [15:09] I googled it [15:09] do wireless keyboards and mice still suck battery life if they are not in use? [15:09] Camarade_Tux: nothing is "wrong" with it. [15:09] i just don't like the feel of it when i try to use the mouse to aim [15:10] nix_chix0r: if they have an off switch no, if they only have a sync/connect button yes [15:10] nix_chix0r, most are really good and go to sleep often and use very little power when sleeping [15:10] hm i should check because i just purchased one for the living room and i am getting rechargables but i'd like to avoid that [15:10] nix_chix0r: there are some nice mice(and i guess keyboards too) that use rechargable lithium ion batteries [15:10] but i think they suck anyways [15:11] I believe the Logitech G7 Laser mouse has two batteries and a charging stand [15:11] nix_chix0r: I use a bluetooth mouse for my laptop since the laptop has bluetooth built in. It takes 2xAAA and I use it everyday for over 5 hours each day. They last about a month [15:11] zaltekk: I found it nice when I played, but eduke32 has maybe changed the mouse handling [15:11] wireless mouse/keyboard is available at surpluscomputers [15:12] hello everyone.. Need help finding slackware + xfce distribution.. any suggestions.. ? [15:12] prakash_s, xfce is included [15:12] Camarade_Tux: ah, okay. either way, it'll be nice to play. i hope i can jack the resolution up to the lcd's native [15:12] prakash_s: try Slackware. [15:12] sweet it does have a power off pc button [15:12] prakash_s: slackware comes with xfce... [15:12] :} [15:12] logitech cordless desktop ex 100 [15:12] nix_chix0r: The wireless keyboard and mouse set I have, the batteries have lasted (in both keyboard and mouse) for over a year. 2xAA [15:13] 31bucks at target [15:13] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: "esse năo tem mais salvaçăo" [15:13] antiwire, zaltekk, dive ........ oh.. great.. thanks.. what is the easiest way to start with it..? from where to download it and should it be CD or DVD version ? [15:13] prakash_s: do you want a full Slackware install or a minimal install? [15:13] prakash_s, you have an old pc ? [15:13] prakash_s, check slackware.com for torrents link [15:13] prakash_s: do you want KDE along with xfce? [15:14] no..i want only xfce.. [15:14] dukeatomic is DOS so you need to use dosbox [15:14] prakash_s, if you can, get the dvd [15:14] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:14] mine is p4 with 1GB .. [15:14] prakash_s: slackware.com and click Get Slack. if you can use the DVD, then get it...otherwise you need 2-3 CDs for all of the X stuff. [15:14] prakash_s: just get CDs 1 and 2 then [15:14] <_budo> whats the first bit in the umask? [15:15] a p4 should have a dvd drive, much handier [15:15] well i' gona head out, got 680gigs of movies to transfer and go tubing [15:15] antiwire... ok.. thanks. and any issues of ati drivers with it.. it was frustrating experience with fedora & ubuntu with my pc.. which have ati radeon display ..? [15:15] prakash_s: I don't know, I have nvidia [15:15] eduke32 doesn't require dosbox to pull the duke.grp from the Atomic Edition CD [15:16] antiwire: ok.. [15:16] it's just a file on the CD, IIRC [15:16] Urchlay: yeah [15:16] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:16] see yalater fire|bird [15:16] same with the original duke 3D cd [15:17] nix_chix0r: have fun. :) [15:17] Camarade_Tux: hey, I just found out something, hów tö t˙pę węird çharacters with the US keymap :) [15:17] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:18] at least, some of them [15:18] _thor_ (n=warlock@f048089180.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:18] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [15:18] fire|bird: hey man!! what's up ? [15:19] gar0t0: y0, not a whole lot here, just working on something, you? [15:19] :ţ [15:20] Urchlay: but can you type braille? :)¸ Ľ ˝ Ě ÷ ä ŕ ü [15:20] no, but then my font doesn't have braille [15:20] not to mention, blind people can't see it on my screen anyway [15:20] lol [15:20] hahaha [15:20] <_thor_> :D [15:20] yep, you've got a point there. [15:21] l [15:21] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) joined ##slackware. [15:21] I do have a weird old braille terminal, it has a few rows of solenoids that push up to make the bumps [15:21] hi [15:22] Urchlay: that's awesome [15:23] One blind guy joined ##windows trying to install Windows Vista in a virtual machine. [15:23] antiwire: it's a serial terminal, if I knew braille, I could probably figure out how to log in to my Linux box with it (the keyboard isn't a normal keyboard, it's some kinda chording thing with 8 or 10 buttons) [15:23] fire|bird: I'm fine, drking beer (6 "latinhas" (i dont khow right "latinha" in english)) [15:23] Ě [15:23] Urchlay: so the braille unit is for output only and then the blind users would just type on the keyboard? [15:23] gar0t0: :), nice. [15:23] latinha is what, a brand name? should be the same in ingles [15:23] or does the braille thing do input too? [15:23] fire|bird: whoa [15:24] what was that sign? [15:24] Wizard: not sure, it's something in the DingBats font. :P [15:24] :D [15:24] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) joined ##slackware. [15:24] fire|bird: latinha == little 'can' [15:24] tin [15:24] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:24] i dont khow what this words I use :D [15:24] antiwire: the braille thing does input with a weird chord-board. I suppose it'd be possible to ignore the chord-board and use a normal keyboard, with the terminal for output only [15:25] gar0t0: you mean a smaller than normal beer container? In English those are called "ponies" [15:25] nah, old gcc does not want to build [15:25] a pony beer will be like 6 or 8 ounces instead of the usual 12 [15:26] OMGPONIES! [15:26] that's my 2˘ worth (heh, I know how to type a ˘ character now!) [15:26] calm [15:26] ţ [15:27] also, it's about 85°F outside now :) [15:27] Urchlay: thanks :D [15:27] hey BP{k} [15:27] In some counties here the local brew houses will produce beer that has an ABV too high for them to call it beer and serve it in 16oz pint glasses so they end up having to call it a barely wine and serve it in 6-8oz glasses instead [15:27] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [15:27] barely wine? or barley? [15:28] yeah typo [15:28] gar0t0: what you want? [15:28] barley [15:28] Urchlay: hm interesting, I have never heard the term "pony beer" before. [15:28] barely would be a better name ;-) [15:28] well, "barely wine" almost makes sense there [15:28] lol [15:28] guax: write "latinha de cerveja" [15:28] beer can [15:28] echelon: so you've finally got a gpg tor account [15:28] BP{k}: pony = small horse, I don't know why it got applied to beer cans/bottles though [15:28] antiwire: how much ABV are we talking about? [15:28] echelon: so you can talk shit and not be found? [15:29] BP{k}: maybe because the budweiser or whatever commercials use those giant Clydesdale horses? [15:29] lol [15:29] BP{k}: The times that I have had it poured in 6oz glasses, it was ~10-12% [15:29] lol [15:29] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pony_glass [15:30] antiwire: i can still get banned, so it's like a condom.. one-time use [15:30] dont matter how you call the container since you callme to drink too [15:31] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] you want to drink to the condom? 0_o [15:32] lol [15:32] Action: guax think that talk is starting to get weird [15:33] Camarade_Tux: i was talking about the beer can/ ponies [15:33] starting?? [15:33] yep must be a saturday [15:33] The Moon is Waning Crescent (16% of Full) [15:33] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:33] apool (n=Loor@202.152.243.240) joined ##slackware. [15:33] hmmm [15:33] apool (n=Loor@202.152.243.240) left irc: Client Quit [15:33] Next SubGenius holiday: August 1 Drug Side-Effects Day [15:33] dive: you forgot to recalibrate for the fact that this is ##slackware. [15:33] The Moon will be Waxing Gibbous (99.999% of Full). (##slackware default Moon setting) [15:33] ah [15:34] I think people are also working towards drug side-effect day [15:34] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [15:34] I just tried to move a text file to the kde trash and kde crashed [15:34] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:35] twice [15:35] :D [15:35] drinking beer in my work is normal for me :D [15:35] Camarade_Tux: hey, can you do me a favor? [15:35] after 6pm of corse [15:35] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [15:35] and it just did it again too [15:35] antiwire: the trash is full, better take it to the curb? [15:35] dive: I got a big bottle of Leffe brown in the fridge .. too damn straight I will work toward that ;) [15:35] gg nvidia driver [15:36] really, the nvidia driver makes the KDE trashcan fail? I don't understand how that works... [15:36] BP{k}, nice [15:36] Urchlay: it's completely unstable and I am not the only one who has confirmed it [15:36] antiwire: what version? [15:36] Urchlay: just moving the system tray off the screen crashes kde when the nvidia driver is loaded [15:37] I'm not going to trouble shoot this with you, it's well known now [15:37] josefig (n=josefig@200.56.159.156) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:37] i am just wondering if it affects me ;P [15:37] sounds like an issue with KDE :) [15:37] kitche: it's the driver, not kde [15:37] oh I believe the driver sucks, I just don't see how moving a file to the trash deals with the driver at all (I mean all KDE does there is remove the icon/text/whatever for the file from the screen) [15:37] nv doesn't cause it [15:37] i have the version on SBo. 180.16 i think [15:37] zaltekk: are you running -current? [15:37] 12.2 [15:37] zaltekk: then don't worry, yet [15:38] ah, okay :) [15:38] Urchlay: because the driver is what draws everything [15:38] Urchlay: it's what X uses to access the card [15:39] antiwire: sounds like a kde issue still though or a X issue [15:39] it is odd that it doesn't crash more often than that [15:39] bkUp (n=bkUp@200-155-169-154.static.spo.ifx.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:39] antiwire: right, but for instance, if you drag an icon from one window or the other, does that cause the same crash? (since it's doing the same thing more or less, plus drawing the icon in the new place)? [15:39] zaltekk: that's not the only reproduce-able way to cause it to crash [15:39] shit [15:40] stupid windows picked up my girlfriends cousins computer as non-genuine [15:40] stupid turd os [15:40] jeev: I blame you for installing pirated versions [15:40] with fake keys [15:40] you're good for a journey to the girlfriend's cousin :D [15:40] antiwire: it isn't the version. it is the key.(as you just said now that i ty[ed it :)) [15:41] for that matter, pressing backspace in your IRC client does basically the same thing (makes a character disappear & get replaced with background)... it's weird to me that trashing a file triggers the crash, but the hundreds of other common things that work about the same way, don't trigger it (or do they?) [15:41] Urchlay: exactly my thoughts [15:41] Urchlay: no it doesn't. when you move something to the kde trash there is quite a lot more graphical crap that happens in kde than just moving an icon to a different folder [15:42] antiwire: can turning off the desktop effects fix the problem? [15:42] zaltekk: dude. [15:42] do you think those of us who are having these stability issues haven't tested damn near everything? [15:42] antiwire: i'm sure you have. that's why i asked you. [15:43] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@darksystem.idleaire.com) joined ##slackware. [15:43] antiwire, i'll pirate anything [15:43] exceptmale butt [15:43] antiwire: I would say you have not tried everything :) well maybe on Linux you have though [15:44] There are a few people in here who have been beating the shit out of kde + nvidia for weeks now trying to determine what the cause is and so far the only thing that we can pin down is the nvidia proprietary driver as the main cause. It might be a combo of changes in the newest -current xorg versions but the nv driver works fine. I even rebuilt Qt, and the kdelibs/base/etc as a test. [15:44] eveything points either to X or indirectly to X via the nvidia river [15:44] driver* [15:44] cry me a driver [15:45] lol [15:45] antiwire: just curious...have you been able to cause it in anything other than kde? [15:45] need to quit comparing nv to the binary driver for one thing [15:45] I think I'm stuck until nvidia releases a new driver version [15:45] I had a look at nv forums but didn't see anything really related [15:46] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151138048.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:46] could be the driver though but who knows kde blames drivers for everything [15:46] I know X upgrades might be the thing with the new system they use for kernel [15:46] hello happy people...newark, de [15:46] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@87.13.89.170) joined ##slackware. [15:47] hello, ##slackware calling newark.. do you read? Over. [15:47] i read yas [15:47] ok [15:48] that's fine then :-) [15:48] well, i'm a trucker, was just updating position [15:48] Action: Wizard updates packages [15:49] last position was lawnside, nj and went up to NYC to pickup, now waiting on closer to my delivery time before taking off [15:49] is there anybody OUT THERE? [15:49] outh where? [15:50] slak: no, reconnect [15:50] Just nod if you can hear me, is there anyone at home? [15:50] is there anybody OUT THERE [15:50] Action: edman007 slaps slak [15:50] what sort of distances? Long distance, or short? [15:50] dive, long wave [15:50] Action: dive sucks his teeth [15:50] pink floyds songn just ..... just typing in [15:50] slak, stop listne to floyd [15:50] is there anybody OUT THERE [15:50] I almost made a complete word then [15:51] hm. Does "xkbprint" actually work for anyone here? try: xkbprint -ll 1 :0.0 -o shift_level_1.ps [15:51] Dinde, regional [15:51] dive, rather...short runs, mostly [15:51] it's supposed to generate a graphic of your keymap in the postscript file, but I get "Fatal Error: Cannot load geometry for :0.0" [15:51] dive, can you say people such as thing... pink floyd is unaddictable [15:52] Urchlay, same here [15:52] dive: -current or 12.2? [15:52] slak, no but might as well invent a new word [15:52] 12.2 [15:53] bleah. It'd be a really useful utility if only it worked :( [15:53] i wonder why slackware jump from 4 through 7 ... [15:53] version [15:53] redhat [15:54] slak: google would tell you [15:55] wizard google said he does not know [15:55] read uncyclopedia [15:55] @Urchlay:Just tried xkbprint, I got the same error. [15:55] uncyclopedia knows everything [15:55] yeah, first hit for "slackware 4 7" [15:55] Camarade_Tux: hey, can you do me a favor? pastebin the result of "xmodmap -pke" on your system? [15:55] slak: http://www.slackware.com/faq/do_faq.php?faq=general#0 [15:55] :D:D:D [15:56] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [15:56] hmmm, unable to open display, oh that's the root term :D [15:56] ccfreak2k, ty [15:57] bah, git clone making the whole system slow [15:57] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl19-221.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:57] :-( [15:58] Urchlay: here you go: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/qoDawh21.html [15:58] i got one for you guys, idleaire terminals run slackware [15:59] Camarade_Tux: danke. I'm trying to get better support for typing non-ascii characters [15:59] prakash_s (n=drashti@210.89.32.190) left ##slackware. [16:00] Urchlay: bitte schon =) [16:00] currently I have a working multi_key (aka compose key), I can hit right-alt, c, slash and get ˘ for instance, or right-alt a ' and get á (the codes are supposed to be easy to remember...) [16:00] i3lack0p (n=wsp4th@adsl-074-167-057-025.sip.jan.bellsouth.net) left irc: [16:01] i thought that was pat's superstion ... number 5 and 6 are associated with bad luck [16:01] you know, we're heading for slackware13 now ;) [16:02] thats a bad luck number [16:02] but I'm trying to figure out other ways... like maybe ctrl-6 (on my keyboard the shifted 6 is ^) followed by a letters, would give the letter with a ^ over it (like â) [16:03] MadMoney_ (n=madmoney@cpe-24-93-138-183.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:03] also I have left-alt + letters giving me letters/symbols like ń÷ĺňôů, but they are impossible to remember (not related to the letters on the key caps at all, ń is alt-q, ÷ is alt-w, etc) [16:03] slak: you thought wrong [16:04] slak: you think Pat has some number superstition? he's releasing 13 soon.... [16:04] antiwire: haha, was about to add a trash to my desktop to test it as well. Click on "Add Widgets..." in the upper right corner -> Bam! [16:04] snewp (i=slacker@unaffiliated/snewp) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:04] see you ppl :) [16:04] pprkut: awesome! [16:04] see guys, pprkut has the same issues [16:04] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@189.110.79.42) left irc: "fui" [16:04] see ya gar0t0 :) [16:04] complete reproduceable [16:05] MadMoney (n=madmoney@cpe-24-93-138-183.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:07] keycode 34 = dead_circumflex dead_diaeresis dead_circumflex dead_diaeresis dead_tilde apostrophe [16:07] whts the big deal with twitter? why so many people join stuffs like that [16:07] phreak (n=phreak@pool-151-204-157-242.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:07] systrik (n=systrik@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) left irc: "What the hell?" [16:08] twitter is popular with the masses that follow the hurd mentality [16:08] lemmings [16:08] Urchlay, how did you set up right alt to do that 'alt+c+/' thing? [16:08] Hey guys i have a bit of a problem [16:08] antiwire: the interesting thing is only some of those crashes appear on slack64 as well [16:08] dive: xmodmap -e "keycode 108 = Multi_key Multi_key" [16:09] Pig_Pen: except there is a small difference of popularity between twitter and the hurd ;p [16:09] thanks [16:09] to make it permanent I'd stick it in my ~/.xinitrc (right now just messing with it) [16:09] Urchlay, ponies mean beer can? [16:09] how did the world survive before cell phones? [16:10] dive: also, for a cheat-sheet, /usr/share/X11/locale//Compose [16:10] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [16:10] i updated my system last night with slapt-get and when i logged in today i noticed that the obfuscation for my password on login changed from black dots to asterisks. no big deal at first but after i logged in it never loaded the desktop, just stayed at a black screen with that wristwatch thing as the mouse [16:10] Urchlay, aha [16:10] slak: yeah. The small beer cans. [16:10] init[1], we lived very well [16:10] InspectorCluseau * sorry :p [16:10] I know ... [16:10] Urchlay, where did you get this from? [16:10] any ideas? [16:10] dive: the one thing I can't figure out how to do is change the locale without killing the X server :( [16:10] Urchlay, r u from texas? [16:11] < from france [16:11] slak: eh, from seeing them at the grocery store and/or liquor store, with a sign saying "budweiser pony 6-pack" [16:11] not from texas. From georgia. Not same thing at all. [16:12] Action: InspectorCluseau I figure I have 'saved' about $12,000 by not joining the cell phone craze ... [16:13] CyberS0nic (n=eduardo@189.78.57.205) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:14] isn't 12000 a bit too much, that's 100 per month [16:14] 100$/month? [16:14] I pay 19 :) [16:14] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:14] cells have been around for about 15 years [16:14] systrik (n=c7de@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [16:15] well thanks anyway guys [16:15] and the cost used to be a lot more than now [16:15] phreak: you must provide some more information to get help [16:15] I paid 19$ when I opened the account. The price has not increased in all those years [16:16] 1000 things could have gone wrong with the slapt-get update [16:16] phreak: don't use slapt-get [16:16] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [16:17] or if you do use it, don't think of it as apt-get [16:17] i mean all it basically did was upgrade several already installed packages [16:18] phreak: in any case, you've violated the safety rules, and we are not responsible any more, nor will we help [16:18] i pay quite a bit for my cell phone. [16:18] phreak: do you use runlevel 3 or 4 (in other words do you run startx or use a graphical manager like kdm) ? [16:18] I have a family plan for my wife and i. it's about $160/Mo. [16:19] 160/month for cell ? wow [16:19] im on runlevel 3 right now, but i normally use runlevel 4 [16:19] i get a 3eur card (or a 10eur card in the worst case) every 6 months [16:19] Two cells, with unlimited data/text and 700 shared min. [16:20] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.134.70) joined ##slackware. [16:20] phreak: you can run startx > outfile and also check /var/log/Xorg.0.log in order to see why you get a black screen instead of the desktop [16:20] dive: actually, that multi_key stuff may not work on GTK or Qt/KDE apps at all. I'm using it with xterm, it may completely fail with konsole or xfce's terminal or whatever... [16:20] Urchlay, works in xfce terminal [16:20] ż [16:20] appears to work in konsole too, now that I thought to check [16:21] Ok I'll check that. Thanks Lord_Khelben [16:21] phreak: if there is an error you can't make off pastebin it and tell us [16:21] Hey Lord_Khelben, how are you? [16:21] works in firefox too. Cool. [16:21] fire|bird: hello. i have a horrific headache. other than that fine [16:21] Urchlay: isn't compose a x server thing ? it should work everywhere [16:21] phreak (n=phreak@pool-151-204-157-242.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:22] Action: fire|bird hands Lord_Khelben an asprin. :) [16:22] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: "leaving" [16:22] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-235-142.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:22] y0 agentc0re :) [16:22] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-76-208-82-228.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:22] :) thanks i just took a paracetamol med (its called depon in greece) [16:22] Lord_Khelben: yeah, it's an X server thing, I was reading an old doc that warned that it might not work with GTK+ though (however that old documentation is from like redhat 6.2...) [16:23] arnt (n=arnt@host-185.249.188.200.fns.freefone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:23] a friend does not want to install slackware lool [16:23] fredoslack: then he isn't a good friend. :P [16:24] I do not have enough arguments lool [16:24] I mean it'd be possible for a toolkit to read low-level keystroke events instead of using the higher-level API to get the X server to decode them... however that doesn't appear to be the case [16:24] what distro does your friend like fredoslack ? [16:24] tell him chicks love it :) [16:24] Pig_Pen, Ubuntu [16:24] :( [16:24] fire|bird: sup duder? [16:24] Lord_Khelben: lol, chicks dig a guy using slackware. :) [16:25] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:25] yes thats what i meant :) [16:25] fire|bird: Too bad all those chicks are extinct. :P [16:25] agentc0re: not much here. I got pidgin so I can change my nick now. dive suggested last night if I had the Local Name set, which I did, I unset that and it works now. :) [16:25] you? [16:25] agentc0re: lol [16:25] dang [16:25] żque? [16:25] :) [16:26] agentc0re: we're slackers, can't we just run slackpkg install chicks? [16:26] antiwire: what version of nvidia's driver do you use? [16:26] Hi pprkut [16:26] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [16:26] fire|bird: nope, only one that works anymore is slackpkg install pr0n [16:27] pprkut: NVIDIA-Linux-x86-185.18.14-pkg1.run [16:27] fire|bird: I thought i told you to do that too but you said it didn't work.?... oh well.. [16:27] agentc0re: lol, you know that from experience? [16:27] hi fire|bird [16:27] yeah, /pr0n is HUGE [16:27] antiwire: ok, so we are using the same version :) [16:27] AmaDeuS (n=loic@cha92-13-88-165-249-109.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:28] hello there [16:28] AmaDeuS, iooo here lol [16:28] antiwire: going to get this on nvnews [16:28] does "chicks" imply beautiful ? [16:28] anyway, bbl. [16:28] if not i have a friend that uses mandriva [16:28] AmaDeuS, ça me permet de me remetre ŕ l'a,glais, en étant ici lol [16:28] please, does someone know, how to get a VM talking with my system, via Qemu? [16:28] ouais ça le fait fredoslack ;) [16:28] lool [16:28] AmaDeuS: with ftp ? [16:29] cout >> "Hello system"; ? [16:29] hi Lord_Khelben :) [16:29] a chick is a baby chicken, a chic is slang for a hot young woman [16:29] Slaxxer (n=brian@ip72-204-125-6.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:29] Lord_Khelben: via local network [16:29] I just want to be able to ping my local machine [16:29] that k makes all the difference [16:30] Pig_Pen: so the correct would be slackpkg install chics ? [16:30] yeah [16:31] Pig_Pen: huh? [16:32] I always see "chick" in print, never "chic" (except in the french meaning of "cool") [16:32] remember "the iron chic" from pro wrestling? :P [16:33] no [16:33] Action: Urchlay don't watch wrestling though [16:33] from tehran, iran: the iron sheik [16:33] she's a chic chick [16:34] Urchlay: most notable for "the camel clutch", a deadly move where the iron sheik tries to snap his opponents back in two. [16:34] :D [16:34] ' [16:34] nv4Phil-3 (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [16:35] dictionary.com mentions chic=fationable , chick=both chicken/woman [16:35] Nick change: nv4Phil-3 -> nv4phil [16:35] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Iron_Sheik [16:36] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.26) left irc: [16:37] gez512 (n=b@host-87-242-37-28.prtelecom.hu) joined ##slackware. [16:37] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.16) joined ##slackware. [16:38] bah, stk11xx kille me [16:39] good ol days when ed whalen was alive and hosting 'stampede wrestling' [16:39] I dunno, fake wrestling just doesn't interest me too much... eh, I guess it wouldn't if it were real, either [16:40] I'll take an MMA fight over the fake crap anyday [16:40] Urchlay: watch any sports? [16:41] not really, no [16:41] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:41] arnt (n=arnt@host-185.249.188.200.fns.freefone.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [16:41] Urchlay, i don't know....its not even the fake part that i hate...i just don't like watching men in tights feel each other up [16:41] if I'm somewhere and a baseball game is on, I might pay attention to it (as it's the only sport I know well enough to follow the game) [16:41] antiwire: yeah, i also like mma. pro wrestlling more when i was a kid. some characters, e.g., the iron sheik, are memorable for their acting. [16:42] hulk hogan, former american hero [16:42] gotta know those guys :D [16:43] this is a beautiful song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N3N1MlvVc4 [16:43] hulk hogan ultimate warrior earthquaker million dollar man etc [16:43] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [16:44] too obvious fake moves though :( [16:44] agentc0re: the whole donnie darko track is good [16:44] the movie is good [16:44] antler: Never heard of it. [16:44] oh, i thought that song was from 'donnie darko' [16:44] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:45] this is the dawning of the rest of our livessssssssssssss on holiday [16:45] could be, i just didn't hear it from there... well you know since i've never heard of it until now. :D [16:46] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donnie_darko [16:46] genericFlounder (n=genericF@cblmdm72-240-213-70.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [16:47] nooooo, I *need* my webcam ='( [16:47] antler: you are right. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MyMOi4LEr4 [16:47] antler: you liked the movie ? [16:47] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:48] anyone tried to build dovecot lately (--current)? [16:48] the first time i watched i fell asleep and the second time i watched it till the end but didn't understand most of it :P [16:48] slackbuild doens' t work [16:48] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [16:48] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:48] Kaapa: pastebin your errors. [16:48] Lord_Khelben: not as much as others, but yeah i liked it [16:50] comrad, nobody else wants you to have your webcam [16:51] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:51] agentc0re: http://pastebin.com/mad6f5dd [16:51] agentc0re: yeah, it's a nice song [16:52] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [16:54] Kaapa: i know when it did it's ./configure it continued but was something not found by chance if you go back and look? [16:56] checking [16:56] Kaapa: and you did install openssl right? [16:56] agentc0re: config.log [16:56] Kaapa: also are you on current64 or just current? [16:56] antiwire: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=2049855 [16:57] fell free to add something :) [16:57] s/fell/feel/ [16:57] pprkut: good work. thank you for posting that [16:57] pprkut: Hopefully the nvidia guys will check it out [16:57] agentc0re: current, openssl is here indeed [16:59] AmaDeuS, you still there? [17:00] antiwire: indeed :) [17:01] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: "leaving" [17:01] nv4phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:01] AmaDeuS (n=loic@cha92-13-88-165-249-109.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:02] candy (n=candy@189.21.97.2) joined ##slackware. [17:02] hi candy :) [17:02] hello World [17:02] ?) [17:02] segfault [17:03] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-243.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:03] hmmm, will stk11xx work with 2.6.29? [17:03] my alsaconf is ot detecting my sound card [17:03] candy: do you have the modules loaded for it? [17:03] candy: which sound card is it (how old?) and which version of slackware are you using? [17:04] *not detect my sound card [17:04] tooly (n=tooly@e178144196.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [17:04] slackware current [17:05] and which card is it? [17:06] candy: can you post the output of lspci to a pastebin? [17:06] as well as lsmod [17:06] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429447.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:06] snd_seq_dummy 2464 0 [17:06] snd_seq_oss 29792 0 [17:06] snd_seq_midi_event 5980 1 snd_seq_oss [17:06] Channel flood from candy -- kicking [17:06] snd_seq 47984 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event [17:06] snd_pcm_oss 37728 0 [17:06] candy kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [17:06] candy (n=candy@189.21.97.2) joined ##slackware. [17:06] snd_mpu401_uart 6524 1 snd_opl3sa2 [17:06] ...pastebin [17:06] snd_rawmidi 19040 1 snd_mpu401_uart [17:07] snd_seq_device 6088 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_opl3_lib,snd_rawmidi [17:07] here it comes again [17:07] snd 50820 13 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_opl3sa2,snd_wss_lib,snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib,snd_timer,snd_hwdep,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device [17:07] soundcore 5824 1 snd [17:07] Ok [17:07] sorry [17:07] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl19-221.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes!" [17:07] snd_mixer_oss 14300 1 snd_pcm_oss [17:08] antiwire, my slackware is the current [17:08] candy, go to pastebin.ca and post the output there, and also the output from lspci [17:08] then give us the link to it [17:09] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [17:09] LinuxEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:10] http://pastebin.com/m5728362b [17:10] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:11] esb (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:11] http://pastebin.com/m459f510a [17:11] dios2 (i=FREELOVE@88.243.6.118) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:11] lspci and lsmod [17:11] dive, r u there [17:11] antiwire, r u there [17:11] you tryin to get sound working? [17:11] what card you got? [17:11] I am looking but lspci isn't showing any soundcard... [17:12] i'm using in Virtual PC [17:12] Camarade_Tux, i give you my blog :) [17:12] hmmm [17:12] photos of france =) [17:12] perhaps you need to enable sound in virtual pc then [17:13] that s enable [17:13] did u see lsmod [17:13] yes [17:13] You can also post photos [17:13] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:13] dive, then there is snd loaded [17:13] fredoslack: remind me of that later, I'm currently outside of X, it isn't very handy to watch photos ;) [17:13] you're trying to get sound working in the guest and your lsmodding the host? [17:13] candy, how did you try to setup alsa? alsaconf? [17:14] snd_pcm_oss [17:14] yes [17:14] alsaconf [17:14] LinuxEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:14] esb (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:14] ok Camarade_Tux ;) [17:15] LinuxEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:15] does alsamixer show any controls? [17:15] yes Dinde [17:15] or name of card? [17:15] dive * [17:15] no [17:16] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [17:16] I would say it's a problem with Virtual PC [17:16] humm [17:16] Ok [17:17] and xorgcfg don t exist [17:17] xorgconfig [17:17] xorgconfig for audio? 0_o [17:18] nope [17:18] oo [17:18] sorry [17:18] oh, my bad, misread a word [17:18] i need setup my video card [17:18] lol [17:18] Nick change: fau_ -> fAu [17:18] Action: Camarade_Tux boringly waiting for the kernel sources to install [17:18] i want setup my video card using kde [17:18] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:19] well [17:19] what card is it? [17:19] when pat release slackware 13 [17:19] glen2 (n=glen@78-86-231-25.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:19] if it's -current then you might just be able to startx [17:19] candy: you want to use xorgsetup now, not xorgconfig [17:19] VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64V+] [17:20] yikes [17:20] Patrick V. going to go today ? [17:20] eh? [17:20] today slackware 13 ? [17:20] S3, not nice :) [17:20] noˇ [17:20] no! even [17:20] it will work [17:21] camarade_tux, lol [17:21] not today [17:21] Camarade_Tux, I have an S3 Savage on my T21 - it sucks monkey balls [17:21] no hardware accel, only 16 bit colour [17:21] might as well use the vesa driver afaik [17:21] not enough video ram [17:21] great for a server [17:21] and why virtualpc? virtualbox is nicer [17:22] no fan [17:22] Slaxxer: he :p [17:22] my computer is a notebook ? [17:22] I'm starting an interesting new side work type of job. [17:22] candy, yes try virtual box, it works well with Linux [17:22] you little bastard, I hate you! [17:22] virtual box [17:22] (speaking to stk11xx.ko of course) [17:22] ok [17:22] virtualbox.org [17:22] i will search [17:23] dive, bochs still works well too [17:23] I'm the technical adviser for a water conservation company the is using GPS and freakin' lasers to map out the water usage of projects and existing sites. [17:23] bochs? [17:23] dive, bochs.sourceforge.net [17:23] right [17:23] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-235-142.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [17:23] thanks [17:24] dive, actually emulates a machine...where virtualbox doesn't quite [17:24] I usually use qemu and vbox for some things that wouldn't run in qemu [17:24] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:24] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:24] actually vbox for solaris and qemu for all else [17:25] can run qemu display-less via ssh then login to it from another ssh [17:25] dive, i could never get solaris to actually boot on my notebook [17:26] Ok, i m downloading :) [17:26] cmair1 (n=cmair@host70-110-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[17:31] Action: agentc0re is working on beer stuff [17:31] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [17:31] antiwire: I already downgraded to pixman 0.10.14, no use :/ [17:32] glen2 (n=glen@78-86-231-25.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:32] snewp (i=slacker@cpe-69-203-220-240.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:32] ok [17:34] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [17:35] I wish to acknowledge my idol [17:35] lool [17:35] I wish to acknowledge my idol lool [17:37] you ok? [17:37] need a glass of water? [17:37] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] Action: dive bows down to the great god lool [17:41] _thor_ (n=warlock@f048089180.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [17:42] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.31.70) joined ##slackware. [17:44] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:45] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4fzInlyYQo&feature=related [17:46] demoncyber__ (n=demoncyb@155.86.215.200.res.nat.netvision.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:47] demoncyber__ (n=demoncyb@155.86.215.200.res.nat.netvision.com.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:50] Shaman286 (n=lucas@189.71.34.149) left irc: "Saindo" [17:51] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:51] cybertitan (n=demoncyb@155.86.215.200.res.nat.netvision.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:51] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.160.209) joined ##slackware. [17:52] oh, ye gods. Unicode actually has this character: P [17:52] Nothing wrong with that [17:52] (which probably shows up as a hollow box in everybody's font... anyone see it?) [17:52] a) historical documents [17:52] yeah, I know [17:52] http://rageblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/1206418672694.png [17:52] b) it's a spiritual symbol in some cultures [17:52] it was more an expression of surprise and momentary distaste, not a "this shouldn't be here" [17:52] 'some' meaning 'not europe/america' [17:53]  << that one's better [17:53] I see \u5350 :) [17:53] no glyph in my font for whatever that is [17:53] mac-_ (n=mac@sunrise.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:53] actually if you are thinking of nazi symbol .. that one is tilted by 45 degrees. [17:53] [17:53] antiwire: I can see that one :() [17:53] mac- (n=mac@sunrise.pi.net.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:54] antiwire: OMG that is messed the hell up. [17:54] antiwire: LMAO though. [17:54]  [17:54] lol [17:54] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:55] I hate that guy : http://www.facebook.com/people/Adrien-Nader/666043294 he has my name on facebook, beark (and you won't find me on facebook, I'm not on that ****) [17:55] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) joined ##slackware. [17:55] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:55] Camarade_Tux, so what? [17:56] there are probably at least ten more who have your name [17:56] Camarade_Tux: and since you don't use facebook .. what's the problem :) [17:56] TwinReverb: no, I'm the only one, I have to be the only one :D [17:56] hm, but apparently the nazi SS symbol isn't there (the one that looks like a couple of lightning bolts) [17:57] ˇˇ [17:57] Urchlay: "Sig" [17:57] antiwire: you're scary [17:58] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:58] I'm the U [17:58] im the U [17:58] lol [17:58] ‡ [17:58] WHITE WHALE, HOLY GRAIL!! [17:58] Action: agentc0re stabs antiwire [17:59] lmao [17:59] bah, I can't read that, too small :D [17:59] :) [17:59] Camarade_Tux: Click on it to enlarge it.. [17:59] Warning: " [18:00] he, I had to copy that in gvim and it only started to be readable with a 14px font [18:00]  look at me  [18:00]  [18:00] hahaha [18:00] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [18:00] I'm taking those on faith, I don't have glyphs for them either :) [18:00] Urchlay: alright now *that* was good [18:01] Urchlay: lol :P [18:01] rudi (n=quassel@c-98-229-33-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:01] mac-_ (n=mac@sunrise.pi.net.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:01] mac- (n=mac@sunrise.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:02] actually I dunno a good fixed-width font for terminals that'll display those characters [18:02] i have some problems with current... i am using intel drivers for X. when i move a window, X crashes. i see a black screen with just the cursor. i cannot kill X or anything. have to completly turn of the machine... any idea? i think it might be related to new mesa drivers [18:02] Urchlay: DejaVuSansMono :) [18:02] josteint: I'm getting the same thing on my eeepc [18:02] ... with fluxbox [18:02] how can I easily revert to previous current or previous mesa [18:02] sp: yes. fluxbox here also [18:02] josteint: how old is the version of current that you are using? [18:03] kde seems not to have this issue [18:03] tried the other intel drivers? [18:03] msi wind here. a small laptop [18:03] josteint: see the thread on linuxquestions [18:03] Camarade_Tux: no... which one? [18:03] josteint: oh, which model of wind? [18:03] I haven't tried other drivers, just other window managers [18:03] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/ChangeLog.txt [18:03] well, one other [18:03] it seems to be a pixman problem [18:03] Camarade_Tux: u100 [18:03] look at the dates [18:03] josteint: I'm not the intel pro but there are other versions in extra/ [18:04] Camarade_Tux: hm, that font works, but it's kinda thin for my tastes... [18:04] yes, the other Intel versions may help [18:04] antiwire: it is the current. the very latest [18:04] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-76-208-82-228.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:04] josteint: in that case, try the other driver versions, as already suggested [18:04] test those first [18:05] i will start with testing the vesa drivers... [18:06] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [18:06] vesa drivers works fine, and i can move windows without X crashing [18:06] Camarade_Tux: wait, antiwire's skull-and-crossbones doesn't display in dejasanswhatever [18:07] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-26-89.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:07] definitly a intel X driver problem [18:07] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:07] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-235-142.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:08] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [18:08] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [18:08] Nick change: josteint_ -> josteint [18:08] Urchlay: I use the liberation fonts and that font seems to have damn near everything [18:09] antiwire: which particular one, for terminals? [18:09] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:09] Urchlay: Well, I spend most of my time in konsoles [18:09] and I access IRC on pidgin [18:10] -misc-liberation mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-m-0-iso10646-1 <--- too small! [18:11] the ma in "small" run together too [18:11] where on linuxquestion is that post about intel driver crashing with X? [18:11] not to mention I can't see any of the fancy characters. Blah. [18:11] liberation fonts? bah =/ [18:12] josteint: seriously, it's a well-known issues that intel drivers currently are hit-or-miss. your best bet is to try a few from extra/, and get one that works [18:12] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [18:12] hej, i am looking for a different linux distro and haven't been able to decide. [18:12] choose Slackware. :) [18:13] wrd, pick Slackware :) [18:13] wrd: depends on what you are gonna use it for [18:13] surg (n=hotlinux@93.100.36.102) left irc: [18:13] heya slava_dp [18:13] wrd: what are you on now, and why do you want to change? :) [18:13] hey fire|bird =) [18:13] sticking with univga [18:14] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.85.172) joined ##slackware. [18:14] basically i have been using debian,gentoo,(lately i have been quite lazu now and chose ubuntu) [18:14] Tirili (n=opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) joined ##slackware. [18:14] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [18:15] i want a linux distro where i can use linux for cross development (arm) [18:15] Do you know an open source alternative to skype? [18:15] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) left irc: "Leaving" [18:15] Tirili, to use skype network - there is none. [18:15] Tirili, to use sip - plenty. [18:15] sip [18:15] ? [18:15] and i am really annoyed by ubuntu's device regressions. [18:15] Have to google it... [18:16] Tirili, ekiga, linphone etc.... lots of them [18:16] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:17] Tirili: if you want skype protocol compatiblity -> you'll have to use skype [18:17] wrd, he has actually said no :) [18:18] slava_dp: most people really dislike skype but require im compatibility :/ [18:18] slava_dp: i really prefer sip and it just works great :) [18:19] why, skype is not bad. it does very well in terms of voice encoding, echo cancellation etc. video support is great too. [18:19] but i sure prefer free software tools as well. [18:21] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:21] slava_dp: they don't tell you how much bandwidth they will aquire. and you never know what they actually send over the network. [18:21] btw: does slackware have support for e.g. nvidia kernel modules ? [18:22] tije (n=tije@189.175.63.44) left irc: "leaving" [18:22] wrd, of course. you go get the driver from nvidia and you install it. [18:22] so you have to use the nvidia installer? [18:22] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:22] slackware has support for everything. [18:23] yep, you get to use the installer. it's very easy, not a big deal. [18:23] dchmelik (n=root@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [18:23] wrd: you can use a script from slackbuilds.org to make a proper package of the nvidia driver, so it's easy to remove or upgrade later [18:23] aaah :) [18:23] night everyone, gtg [18:23] bye [18:23] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:24] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-64-124.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Success [18:24] http://rageblog.org/2009/06/22/mum-cancels-wow-account/ [18:24] LOL [18:24] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:25] wrd: slackbuilds.org stuff isn't officially part of slackware, but unofficially everyone uses it because it's got a lot of good stuff and their standards are high (if you build a package with their scripts, it's highly unlikely to actually damage your system, unlike some of those *other* 3rd-party slackware package repositories...) [18:25] next week slackware 13 will be [18:26] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [18:26] next week slackware 13 will be released ? [18:26] rc1 already is [18:26] if I could predict the future I wouldn't spend time on irc anymore [18:27] Urchlay: uhm, so i think slackware is still using tarballs as package format? [18:27] candy: It will be released when it's ready. However, current is in rc1 status, so, it may be getting closer. [18:27] Slaxxer: yeah, but look at what all's happened in the ChangeLog since rc1 was released [18:27] yes, i m using [18:27] lol [18:27] Urchlay: a lot has happened since rc1. [18:27] wrd: yes. They're tarballs, but with some extra info in them that the installer uses (which is not too different from how a debian or rpm package is put together) [18:28] bur rpm works correct? [18:28] bah [18:28] Hello again Camarade_Tux, :) [18:28] yo frame|buffer :) [18:28] Action: Camarade_Tux already outside >< [18:28] whoa, that's a nice one. :P [18:28] Tirili (n=opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) left ##slackware. [18:29] wrd: actually an rpm package is a cpio archive, and a debian package is an ar archive. Slackware's are tar archives... but they're normally named .tgz (or .txz), instead of having a special name like .deb or .rpm [18:29] Camarade_Tux: \o/ it's not registered. :P [18:29] lol ;p [18:29] Slaxxer: if you use rpm, it will install packages. No guarantees that they'll actually work once installed, or even that they won't break your system. [18:29] Camarade_Tux: thanks a lot. :P [18:29] Urchlay: fair enough though. because i think deb use binary prefixed magic. [18:30] candy (n=candy@189.21.97.2) left irc: Client Quit [18:30] fire|bird: yeah, I *just* got around to updating to -rc1 a couple days ago, too... [18:30] Camarade_Tux: If I want that one, I'd have to ungroup something else to get that one. [18:30] Urchlay: yeah, there's been A LOT of changes, it's amazing. [18:30] including a kernel update. [18:31] Camarade_Tux: What should I ungroup? :P I'd have to either ungroup fire|bird or phoenix|storm. :P [18:31] fire|bird: I know it. I *just* did a kernel update too, and I'm lazy [18:31] Urchlay: so i have been using debian unstable for a fair amount of time, but got tired of their attitude regarding open source device driver support. and ubuntu is not the kind of distribution i want to use. [18:32] wrd: ...but mostly you like the debian way of doing things? (the technical aspects, not necessarily their philosophy) [18:32] Urchlay: one of the big disadvantages of using ubuntu are device driver regressions and untested software. is this in particular better in slackware [18:32] Urchlay: i prefer to run tested binaries. and if possible i want a decent package manager. [18:33] "untested software" will not make it into a Slackware release... if you want to help with testing it, you run -current (slack's equivalent to unstable I guess you'd say) [18:34] so will it be possible to update from one slackware version to another without a lot of hassles ? [18:34] aah beer:30 [18:34] mmm beer [18:34] BP{k}: whoa, that time already? :) [18:34] are there in any way preconfigured services or do i have to configure everything on my own? [18:34] wrd: Yes. Some, however, chose to do fresh installs. [18:34] fire|bird: indeed :) [18:35] wrd: well, eh, debian provides binaries of damn near everything under the sun (even things like MAME or Atari emulators). Slackware doesn't, its aim is to provide a full-featured core system (my interpretation, I don't actually speak for Pat). There are a LOT of apps you'll end up having to install from a 3rd-party repo (and if you use the recommended one, slackbuilds.org, you will NOT get a tested binary, you'll build your own bin [18:35] Tirili (n=opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) joined ##slackware. [18:36] fire|bird: http://www.bottledbeer.co.uk/index.html?beerid=184 [18:36] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:37] wrd: in fact, you probably ought to go to slackbuilds.org and browse around their repository, to get a feel for the kind of packages that *aren't* part of Slackware [18:37] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) joined ##slackware. [18:37] Urchlay: inhowfar is building your own packages difficult. i mean most packaging formats merely include dependencies. and highlevel tools track dependency resolution... [18:38] Urchlay: wrong! debian doesn't provide eduke32 binaries! :D [18:38] Camarade_Tux: debian can't even produce decent nvidia drivers ^^ [18:39] wrd: you have to get dependencies by yourself, and that's not hard [18:39] wrd: but nvidia drivers aren't free whereas eduke32 is ;) [18:39] wrd: using the slackbuilds.org scripts isn't difficult, provided you consider using the command line easy... untar the script archive, cd into it, put the source in that directory, run ./whatever.SlackBuild, then "installpkg /tmp/whatever-blahblah.tgz" [18:39] I always had good luck with the nvidia drivers in Debian, in Etch, Lenny, and Sid. [18:40] wrd: someone's also written a tool called "sbopkg" that automates that for you. I never used it, so I have no opinion, but some people in here swear by it [18:40] (or was that "swear at it"? I always forget...) [18:40] Camarade_Tux: So, If I'm gonna take on frame|buffer, which other one should I ungroup? I need your wisdom? :P [18:40] sbopkg is pretty good, it's not perfect but still pretty good ;) [18:41] fire|bird: i always ended in building my own packages and run module-assistant to create my kernel modules. i always wonder why people who use debian build tools how to build packages easily from within the distribution instead of just providing packages. [18:41] I was annoyed until I discovered I could edit the slackbuild and the .info file from sbopkg too :) [18:41] Tirili (n=opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) left ##slackware. [18:42] wrd: Ah, yeah, that's how I always did it too, with module-assistant, or as they call it "The Debian Way" :P [18:42] Camarade_Tux: actually apparently neither does ubuntu [18:42] Camarade_Tux: yeah, that's a great feature to edit it from sbopkg. [18:42] to dolphin auto-mount my pendrive what i need to be? [18:42] or have [18:43] dchmelik (n=root@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [18:43] You have searched for packages that names contain eduke32 in all suites, all sections, and all architectures. [18:43] Sorry, your search gave no results [18:43] im member of plugdev [18:43] Urchlay: yeah, slackware is the only distro with an easy way to get eduke32 packages ;p [18:43] that might be because we're the only ones retro enough to actually care :) [18:43] Camarade_Tux: yeah, thanks to Urchlay. :) [18:44] btw, I started playing descent today :D [18:44] descent I? [18:44] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [18:45] yeah, it's basically the same thing as eduke32: open-source engine, non-free game data [18:45] d1x-rebirth [18:45] I'd like to increase mouse sensitivity though [18:46] hm, is there a shareware version of the game data like duke nukem has? [18:47] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:47] and for the little story: there was d1x -non-rebirth but it wasn't really compilable (release from 1999!) and there is an engine for descent2 that can also do descent1 but crashes almost immediately for me (maybe because I didn't copy correctly the game files) [18:47] Nick change: fire|bird -> firebird619 [18:47] Urchlay: I think so : descw14something or so [18:47] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.16) left irc: [18:48] i just found bbc's flash port of hitch hikers guide to the galaxy :) [18:48] Nick change: firebird619 -> frame|buffer [18:48] seems like Pat fixed the kde4 bug in -current :) [18:48] Camarade_Tux: \o/ [18:48] thrice`: which bug? [18:49] thrice`: nm, I checked the changelog. \o/ [18:49] compositing and sys-tray issues I guess :> [18:49] I'll have to try that now and see if it works. [18:50] d1demo_14.zip [18:51] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: "leaving" [18:51] heh, the game data files are called descent.pig and descent.hog [18:51] lol [18:52] and the compressed files are called descent1.sow and descent2.sow :) [18:52] haha [18:52] (they're actually arj files) [18:53] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [18:53] LinuxEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left ##slackware. [18:53] Urchlay: and descent.ham ;) [18:54] lol, so it has pig, sow, hog, and ham. :P [18:54] hmmm, descent.bacon, yummy [18:54] lol [18:55] descent.bacon and descent.eggs? :P [18:55] oh god, I remember descent, I played that game for ages. [18:55] Camarade_Tux: there a descent.toast? [18:55] descent.coffee anyone? [18:55] lol [18:55] dhw (n=dhw@ip70-171-182-160.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:55] BP{k}: I got a new nick again. [18:56] Action: frame|buffer runs from BP{k} [18:56] and the limited version they marketed south of the mason-dixon line, descent.grits [18:56] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:56] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) joined ##slackware. [18:56] frame|buffer: You can't hide your idienty from me... phoenix|storm, aka, fire|bird|super|mega|pure|awesome! [18:56] :P [18:56] wtf is descent.bacon [18:56] agentc0re: lol [18:56] Urchlay: thanks for all the info. i guess i'll give slackware a try. [18:57] I got things running on my t61 :) [18:57] agentc0re: The frame|buffer nick is actually nice imo. Surprisingly, it wasn't registered. :) [18:57] agentc0re: http://www.bottledbeer.co.uk/index.html?beerid=184 [18:57] dhw: that is good [18:57] wrd: cool. We're always here, and usually (not always) will help out new users :) [18:58] frame|buffer: you should run irssi, then I could write you a perl plugin that makes you a random nick made from 2 dictionary words with | between [18:58] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [18:59] Urchlay: i think i will not need too much help as long as i can use a package manger to install all the stuff i need. as soon as i have to start building my own packages, i might need some help [18:59] hello all... [18:59] hi AnonymousRednek [19:00] <|alisonken1churc> yo [19:00] Urchlay: hahaha, that'd be cool, but I'd probably get kicked. :P [19:00] frame|buffer: in bash, it'd be echo "`sort -R /usr/share/dict/words |head -1`|`sort -R /usr/share/dict/words |head -1`" [19:00] I got: intestine|darers [19:00] flux|dimming [19:00] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [19:00] Pig_Pen, hi again [19:01] hm, this one almost seems to have some meaning: instruct|redesign [19:01] did you ever finish that wolf/moon graphic thing? [19:01] Urchlay: What would it be in zsh? [19:01] Pig_Pen, little tidbit, the idleaire plugs that truckers use to stay comfortable without idling truck run slackware [19:01] Pig_Pen, still working on it... [19:01] busted|saltiness :) [19:01] Camarade_Tux: lol [19:01] Pig_Pen, haven't messed with it since i left home [19:01] frame|buffer: probably the same thing. Both are POSIX-ish, both are based on Bourne shell [19:01] frame|buffer: it works in zsh ;) [19:01] Camarade_Tux: ok [19:01] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:02] Urchlay: thanks. :) [19:02] heh. Have I created a monster? [19:02] yeah, i seen a documentary on the History channel about IdleAire, that is cool! i wish that was around when i was truckin long hail [19:02] *haul [19:02] Urchlay: Yes, a monster in frame|buffer clothing. :) [19:02] Pig_Pen, my company pays for idle aire [19:02] a monster in reconstructing|spitefulness clothing? [19:02] any of you that were having kde4 problems, tried the pixman downgrade? [19:03] Pig_Pen, i got the window adapter yesterday [19:03] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) joined ##slackware. [19:03] oops [19:03] lol [19:03] chopp: I'm going to in a little bit herre. [19:03] s/herre/here/ [19:03] heh, whoever added the -R option to the sort command was probably trying to do something exactly as silly as this [19:03] Pig_Pen, then watched slackware boot up on the console [19:03] Urchlay: Hmm, I fail, that command doesn't work, it just brings me to the > prompt. What did I miss? [19:03] a closing quote? [19:04] Urchlay: nm, fixed it. forgot the beginning ` [19:04] do you use anything like GPS or google maps to plot your destination? [19:04] frame|buffer: echo "$(sort -R /usr/share/dict/words |head -1)|$(sort -R /usr/share/dict/words |head -1)" [19:04] lokken (n=zaffer@206-248-167-84.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [19:04] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:04] Pig_Pen, nah, i still plan trips with a rand mcnally [19:04] lol, entities|conceeded [19:04] Pig_Pen, it's still the most dependable method [19:04] never hurts to keep that big ol map around [19:04] Good evenin' everyone! Has anyone here succeeded in compiling id3lib on Slackware-current x86_64? [19:05] BP{k}: haha, achieving|veranda [19:05] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:05] I'm getting an error that says I'm missing iomanip.h (or that it can't locate it) [19:05] Pig_Pen, now it'd be cool if rand mcnally would issue that big map as a cd/dvd with a java frontend [19:05] frame|buffer: you could write a shell script that modifies your IRC client's config (changes the nick to the random result), then spawns the client. [19:05] chopp: Have you tried that downgrade, or weren't you affected? [19:05] frame|buffer: but I leave that as an exercise for the reader :) [19:06] Urchlay: heh, I'd get kb'd and you'd never see me again with any of my nicks. :P [19:06] mister|predetermination ; periodically|jammed ; vagina|vanquishing :) [19:06] bwahaha! [19:06] yeah, the only map software that can be installed as software and run offline is microsoft streets & trips, Linux needs something to do mapping like that very much [19:06] frame|buffer: k/cough k/cough....no it didn't effect me. [19:06] lokken: hm. I can confirm that iomanip.h doesn't exist on -current64 [19:06] numerous|setter [19:06] chopp: alright. [19:06] Pig_Pen: download data from openstreetmap.org? [19:07] lokken: is this C++ code? Try changing the offending line to "#include " (without the .h) [19:07] never heard of them Camarade_Tux, thanks! i will look in to that [19:07] Camarade_Tux, the problem...commercial atlas also has tables of restricted routes and low clearances that prove useful [19:07] Camarade_Tux: that's a great site, I've used it a couple times. [19:08] Urchlay: Know of any good tag editors that don't rely on id3lib? :) I don't know if it's C++ code. Not entirely sure how to figure it out either. [19:08] Urchlay: Sorry, yes it is C++ [19:08] lokken: well, there's this one: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/audio/id3/ [19:09] lokken: maybe extern "C" missing? or is it installed in a non standard include directory ? [19:09] Pig_Pen, if i knew how to code well enough, i'd make a fortune selling linux software...mapping, logging, etc [19:09] lokken: IIRC "id3" can't handle ID3v2.4 tags, no idea if that matters for you. If you want something with a user interface, there's "mp3info" (on the same site, search for it) [19:09] wrd: I'm not entirely sure what that means. :$ I'm running everything pretty vanilla on my end. [19:09] AnonymousRednek: I see [19:10] Urchlay: Excellent. I'll look into those. Thanks. :) [19:10] frame|buffer: yeah, great, there could be some improvements but it's already great [19:10] Camarade_Tux: yeah [19:11] wrd: there really isn't an any more, you include it as (the C++ standard has deprecated the .h form, I guess the gcc folks are more interested in being up to date than they are in backwards compatibility) [19:11] Camarade_Tux, yeah, that's why we still shell out the cash annually for a paper map(most of us) [19:11] strlen("frame|buffer") == strlen("Camarade_Tux") ! \o/ [19:12] that would be cool to have a native Linux app that does mapps, just think of maybe a application framework with features then you just add maps as you need them so if you just want the eastern part of the USA you have a map of everything from Virginia to New England & west to Ohio [19:12] Camarade_Tux: If I knew what that was, I may have a comeback, but alas, I do not. [19:12] considering that the low clearances, restricted routes, and construction zones change [19:13] i just spent $30 for the 2010 [19:13] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.85.172) left irc: "Leaving." [19:13] 30 is cheap for a commercial grade map [19:13] Pig_Pen, it is not the laminated one [19:14] so i'll think i'll gtg now, thanks for all the help, good night folks [19:14] Pig_Pen, the laminated one is double [19:14] just dont use it after adjusting your brakes [19:14] AnonymousRednek: how can they sell you a 2010 map in 2009? do they look into a crystal ball to find out where new construction is going to happen next year, or which clearance signs are going to change? That's a neat trick... [19:14] Urchlay, they release the next year's map about june [19:14] blah. Like car manufacturers. [19:14] Urchlay, every year [19:15] frame|buffer: our nicks are the same length! [19:15] besides, no map is absolutely accurate [19:15] it's unnecessarily confusing though [19:15] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [19:15] the newest maps are the most accurate, but nothing is absolute [19:15] Yeah, my car will be almost a year old by the time 2010 rolls around. [19:15] And yet, it's a 2010 model. [19:15] if it's 2011, I would look at my map and go "This is a 2010 map, only a year old"... but really it's anywhere from 1.5 to 2.5 years old (depending on what the date in 2011 is) [19:16] keep an eye on google maps and compare the sattilite images to the street map and you might catch mistakes because a photo dont lie [19:16] Pig_Pen, google satellite images aren't necessarily current either [19:16] Google Maps is far from accurate depending on where in the world you are. [19:16] Camarade_Tux: Oh no, that's horrible. :( [19:16] They really don't update them too terribly oftnen. [19:16] Often. [19:16] true, but a photo is still a second opinion [19:17] yeah, google maps was several years out of date last time I looked at my old house (it didn't show the giant winnebago sitting in the back yard) [19:17] Pig_Pen, yeah, case in point, to my knowledge, i-10 west of houston is mostly finished [19:17] Pig_Pen, take a look at the google photo of it [19:17] eh, s/maps/earth/ I think [19:18] It's usually more annoying when Google Maps gets me to take an exit that no longer exists. [19:18] Urchlay, google maps uses google earth images [19:18] lokken, no kidding... [19:18] And the next exit is in a nasty part of town. [19:18] heh [19:18] i keep an eye on my home town, the satellite images used to be blurry and very low res, and just lately the res is much higher and images are sharper [19:19] They paid someone to take the aerial photos. [19:19] so google does update those images on occasion [19:19] I used to use an unofficially entrance to get on I-75 to get to one of my old jobs. It was just a hole in the side wall, with a dirt road leading to it (probably left behind by a construction crew) [19:19] They do... it's just not very often. [19:19] Pig_Pen, on occasion [19:19] s/ly// [19:20] waiting for the gutenberg cd to finish downloading...i will NOT be bored on the road when i can't get online [19:21] lokken (n=zaffer@206-248-167-84.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:21] lokken over the entire state? [19:22] thats a hell of a lot of photos from an airplane [19:24] their sat probably did direct flyover as opposed to a photo at a sharp angle [19:24] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [19:26] night everybody :) [19:27] oh, yeah, the satillite tech today is incredible [19:34] hrm [19:34] wicd in slackware64 tellin gme to put my user in netdev group for wicd.. however.. my user is in the netdev group.. still not workin' [19:34] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:34] So, the old pixman package is back in -current. Please everybody with X issues since the previous update, check if this reversion fixes your crashes/loss of functionality [19:35] Dominian, i think, but don't know, that this is a dbus issue [19:35] Yeah.. apparently so.. because dbus is what is throwing the erorr [19:35] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [19:35] saying th euser needs to be in the netdev group.. but the user already is... very annoying [19:38] Dominian, agreed [19:38] after adding user to netdev group.. restarting hald/messagebus seems to have fixed it [19:39] <_budo> how do u resume a program without bringing it to the foreground again? [19:39] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:39] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [19:39] Dominian, cool [19:39] _budo, more info? [19:40] frame|buffer (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Leaving." [19:40] raviucf (n=ravi@216.189.209.126) joined ##slackware. [19:41] I can see my Quickcam Messenger Communicate when I run "lsusb" but there is no /dev/video although there is /dev/audio from the camera. Any clues in how to get /dev/video to work? I have already modprobe quickcam_messenger [19:41] <_budo> suspended a find job, now want to resume it without bringing it to the foreground [19:41] here is what I get back from dmesg: [ 5166.896289] quickcam_messenger: v0.01:Logitech Quickcam Messenger USB [19:42] Dominian: you had not restarted the messagebus at first? The group file gets read only _once_ by DBUS... when it starts. That is why you had to restart (or reload) it [19:42] raviucf, did you install video4linux [19:43] AnonymousRedneck: no [19:43] frame|buffer (n=frame|bu@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [19:43] raviucf: it would be /dev/video0 anyway. But the thing is, your quickcam messenger may not be fully supported by the kernel [19:43] This is what I get from "lsmod" quickcam_messenger 21512 0 [19:43] usbvideo 33924 1 quickcam_messenger [19:44] \o/ pixman downgrade fixed the sys tray issue for me. :) [19:44] <_budo> #linux [19:46] Come on you people now: smile on your brother / Everybody get together; try to hack GNU/Linux right now [19:46] why? [19:46] thats from a Mammas & Pappas song? [19:46] Jefferson Airplane [19:46] but you might also be right [19:47] one of those old hippy songs from the 1960's [19:47] yeah... or 70s :) [19:47] they went straight from "airplane" to "starship", no stage during which they were called Jefferson Space Shuttle... [19:48] Urchlay, it was the lsd [19:48] alienBOB: you are right [19:48] I see you are right, Urchlay [19:50] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [19:51] frame|buffer (n=frame|bu@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Here I go!"). [19:51] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [19:51] frame|buffer (n=frame|bu@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [19:52] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-217-200.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [19:52] who here had problems using the intel X driver with current with their asus eee machine? try http://connie.slackware.com/~rworkman/xorg-testing/. the 2.7 driver works fine here with my msi wind :) [19:53] i will just keep this until a new driver is available in current [19:53] 2.7 is in current [19:53] hmm.. [19:54] so is 2.5.x, 2.6.x, 2.8.xRC1 and 2.8.xRC2 [19:54] the highest I see in the kernel RSS is 2.6 [19:55] highest what ? [19:55] rudi (n=quassel@c-98-229-33-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:55] kernel version [19:55] well, at least it does not crash X when i move a window [19:55] e.g. firefox [19:55] 3.5.1 [19:55] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@174-23-131-78.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:57] josteint: i did have problems but resolved them just a few moments agon [19:57] agon/ago [19:57] basictracks (n=peter@basictracks.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:57] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@97-117-118-142.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] axtroz (n=axtroz@77.78.10.32) joined ##slackware. [19:58] alienBOB: I figured that out kind of.. considering I said I restarted messagebus... [19:58] josteint: oh but this is not a asus eee [19:59] Nick change: MadMoney_ -> MadMoney [20:00] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-16.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:00] TClayton: how did you solve it? is it a 945gm intel? [20:01] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-12-195.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:01] 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) [20:02] installed the latest from changelog then re-installed the xf86-video-intel 2.7.1 [20:02] all the pixelation when running glxgears went away then [20:02] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:03] raviucf (n=ravi@216.189.209.126) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [20:04] TClayton: how did you reinstall the xf86x-video-intel? [20:04] Night... [20:04] illuz1oN: good night [20:04] i used slackpkg reinstall xf86-video-intel ... [20:05] blacksheep (n=blackshe@97-115-178-251.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: "Peace!" [20:05] oh, i was not aware of that. i will try that on my computer aswell. thanks for that tip [20:06] no problem. have you ran glxgears [20:06] josteint, i've found that 12.2 works beautifully on a eeepc 900hd [20:06] cmair (n=cmair@host70-110-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:06] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) joined ##slackware. [20:06] the only needed modification is the wifi driver, which came from someone using a msi wind [20:07] sure. the stable versions are mostly very stable. but there are quite some things i need in current. 12.2 not having qt4 is pretty lame, but i guess that will be available in 13 [20:08] just remembered the box at work is a msi wind. but its running 12.2 [20:09] and, on occasion, firefox will muck itself up, not recognizing plugins like flash [20:09] at which point, a reinstall does wonders [20:10] AnonymousRednek: i had some issues with firefox weeks ago showing some images as black squares [20:12] josteint, there's a slackbuild on SBo for qt4 [20:12] josteint, and yes, i have qt3 and 4 coexisting beautifully [20:12] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:12] TClayton, a reinstall usually fixes it [20:13] AnonymousRednek: i try not to do that often on the stable box [20:14] i have a few boxes that i dont mind testin with.. re-install every other day [20:14] josteint, i'm running a current version of hydrogen(requires qt4) and several other audio apps(one requires half the gnome libs) and got the vast majority of slackbuilds for all of it from SBo [20:15] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [20:16] thats cool. can you also switch back to qt3? [20:16] bolz (n=email@c915544a.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:16] bolz (n=email@c915544a.virtua.com.br) left ##slackware. [20:16] you can install qt3 and qt4 on the same box [20:16] TClayton, i don't mean the whole system [20:16] TClayton, a slackpkg reinstall works wonders [20:17] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:17] sqdnguns (n=sqdnguns@104-90.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:17] josteint, they're installed in separate dirs...both qt3 and qt4 are available simultaneously [20:18] what dive said [20:18] AnonymousRednek: oh ok . yes slackpkg works very well [20:19] that is good to have. some apps are still not converted to qt4, so qt3 is necessary to run them [20:19] and i'm not even a guy that supports pc's for a living...i just use them...my slack box is a tool for connecting to internet, recording music, and storing information [20:20] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.31.70) left irc: Success [20:20] oh, btw, i had a guy get interested in slack after seeing my hat, then showing him slack on my notebook [20:20] if you have a 386... you might be a redneck [20:20] Action: MadMoney is waiting for Cobol On Rails/.Net [20:20] he was amazed at the speed it was running compared to his windows notebook [20:21] dchmelik, i'm running an intel core2 [20:21] don't forget 6502 assembly.NET [20:21] lol [20:21] or Algol on Rails [20:21] dchmelik, with 1gb of ram(kinda slim on memory [20:21] basic? [20:21] I have 1GB [20:21] a lot runs in 1GB [20:21] I have an Opteron 880 8Gb [20:22] dive: that exists already, VisualBasic.Net :( [20:22] 384MB on the other hand... i'm dealing with an ancient box at the moment [20:22] I forgot which 880 series [20:22] dchmelik, on another note, i wish i still had the 486 i had...that thing ran rings around a pentium running windows 98 [20:22] are you serious [20:23] then again, that was when slackware was in version 4, 7 [20:23] if you think 'click the mouse' means catch it in a trap... you might be a redneck [20:23] what, about vb.net? yes, it exists and is pretty popular with the "hire warm bodies at minimum pay" school of management [20:23] Urchlay, I can imagine [20:24] gotta leave. see you, slackers ^^ [20:24] bb [20:24] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [20:24] seen a amd k5 90 run circles around a pentium 266 [20:24] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-95-4-142.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:25] NthDegree, consider a 486 with 80mb of ram [20:25] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-95-4-142.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:25] That's a lot of RAM for a 486 [20:26] I had a 486DX2 once and it had about 4MB "extended memory" [20:26] :P [20:26] 16mb or 32mb more common I think [20:26] hey, I miss my 486 with 48 megs of RAM... it was 48 1meg SIMMs, on a board the size and temperature of a waffle iron [20:26] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:27] If you think 'disk drive' means roll a disk down the yard... you might be a redneck [20:27] pardon the interruption ^_^ Curious as to whether or not anyone has seen or heard of an issue regarding a random suspend to ram. I'm running SW 12.2 on an Inspiron 9400, relatively recent install (huge-smp kernel). I've gotten ACPI to do what I require of it, suspend when closing the lid etc., but twice today, out of nowhere during usage it decides to go to sleep. It wakes right back up after pressing the power butto [20:27] n without whining. [20:27] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [20:28] dive, they were, it had a 16mb chip...i added a pair of 32mb chips to it [20:28] expensive [20:28] in those days [20:29] genericFlounder, Never seen that but I do have a box that keeps waking up on its own... [20:29] that's creepy :P [20:30] either a faulty nic or there's a magic packet floating around somewhere [20:30] mines narcoleptic, and yours has insomniac issues. [20:31] but for suspending check logs to see whats triggering it perhaps [20:31] dive: does it wake up on its own with the ethernet cable unplugged? that's be *really* creepy... [20:31] you can also edit syslog.conf to make it log acpi [20:31] Urchlay, dunno never tried it [20:31] I have had it happen before [20:32] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [20:32] it is the power cable that does it, clearly [20:32] why? [20:32] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:32] if you have the nic set to wake on lan and it's a bit trigger happy... [20:33] cool thanks I'll see where this gets me. [20:33] I have had it happen without an ethernet cable, as I implied [20:34] does anyone have compositing working since the latest X updates? [20:34] if it's the nic, it doesn't matter whether cable is in or not [20:34] also, silly question maybe, you don't have the BIOS set to wake up it at a certain time of the day? (that used to get left enabled by accident and cause much head-scratching) [20:34] Urchlay, nope [20:35] @ vinegaroon - check today's changelog [20:35] I turn it on via network and turn if off using expect + ssh [20:35] doesn't help [20:35] all remote [20:36] hm, is it the type where the NIC has a separate wake-on-lan cable going to the motherboard? I used to do the low-tech solution, unplug that cable (but then I never really needed WOL functionality in the first place) [20:36] unless I feel like some exercise ;-) [20:36] Urchlay, no just plugs into a pci slot with no extra cable [20:36] vinegaroon: what video chipset do you have [20:36] oh wait [20:36] the one I generally use is built-in [20:36] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [20:37] TClayton: intel 945 [20:37] either way, you can't hardwarily disable it [20:37] I do have a separate nic but wol doesn't seem to work [20:37] which version of slackware [20:37] Urchlay, it hasn't done for a while so not really a problem [20:37] the separate nic might be the one that needs the cable [20:37] current 32 [20:37] Urchlay, yeah I was wonderng if it needed one [20:38] vinegaroon: have you tried the pixman from the changelot today [20:38] for PCI I think that's the only way it can work (for the new stuff I bet there's I/O lines for it already on the slot) [20:38] it would be better to investigate that and see if affects resources (don't know about onboard nics but many onboard devices use cpu and aren't totally separate) [20:39] yes. It stopped X from crashing when I try to enable desktop effects but it still doesn't work. [20:39] (winmodems, audio etc) [20:39] also glxgears is messed up [20:39] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:40] vinegaroon, flickering glxgears? [20:40] dive: yes [20:40] not showing cogs? [20:40] vinegaroon: have you used any of the intsl drivers from http://packages.slackware.it/browse.php?q=current/extra/xf86-video-intel-alternate [20:40] intel [20:40] cogs are visible but it's weird and flickery [20:41] TClayton: haven't tried those [20:41] vinegaroon: i had that problem earlier. resolved by applying updates from yesterday/today and re-installing the xf86-video-intel 2.7.1 [20:42] ok I'll try that [20:42] vinegaroon: i did [20:42] cybertitan: is there a reason you pm me? [20:42] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: "leaving" [20:42] http://pastebin.com/m7f85e89c [20:42] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [20:42] no is one question about slackpkg [20:43] the slacpkg no resolv dependences [20:43] correct? BP{K} [20:43] 1 [20:43] that's a stupid script kiddie expecting help on another network [20:43] cybertitan: perhaps you should actually look up what the word "question" means. "Olá pessoas" <-- is not a question. [20:43] cybertitan: no. slackpkg does not resolve dependencies. If you want that go run ubuntu or something. [20:44] im sorry because talk portuguese [20:44] RMS for UN Secretary-General and Pat Volkerding for President of the USA. [20:45] cybertitan: slackware does not have anything for dependencie resolution, except for the systemadmin using their brain, common sense and reading. [20:45] lol dchmelik have you read the ups humor [20:45] ohh ok [20:45] hey people, has anyone of you successfuly built ncpfs on slackware 12.2 ? [20:46] is talk because one people create one article [20:46] dchmelik: its the pilots and ground crew writing grip sheets [20:46] cybertitan: like I said, if you need something that resolve dependencies for you. #debian/#ubuntu are over there -----> [20:46] talk the slackpkg resolv dependences [20:46] lol no no i like much my slackware :) [20:46] TClayton: I am unsure what 'ups humor' and 'grip sheets' are.... [20:46] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:46] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.11) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:46] cybertitan: if they did write an article about that, they lack a serious amount of clue. Do you have a link to the article? [20:47] dchmelik: there are jokes [20:47] the article write in portuguese [20:47] ah. that's no good :) [20:47] =/ [20:47] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [20:47] I am sure my portugese is about as good as your dutch. :) [20:47] BP{k}, I saw one a few days ago where someone commented that slackpkg resolved deps so I had to comment, but I forget the site/.. [20:48] cybertitan: however you might want to drop the link to PiterPunk; he might be interested in reading that and since he's from Brazil as well, he should be able to understand it. :) [20:48] huahuh lol no problem [20:48] axtroz (n=axtroz@77.78.10.32) left irc: "Leaving" [20:48] no problem with portuguese, i can read it normally ... [20:48] no problem im moderator in site [20:48] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:48] powtrix: oh I can read it just fine. I just can't understand it or translate it so it makes sense to me. ;) [20:49] other moderate no checking about it and publish [20:49] (im sorry my english) [20:49] titopoquito (n=tito@p508EB2EB.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [20:50] axtroz (n=axtroz@77.78.10.32) joined ##slackware. [20:50] cybertitan: but no, to support dependency resolution, the package format would actually need to support this. Slackwares package format doesn't :) [20:51] yes i understand [20:51] user680 (n=user8965@ppp-69-223-58-244.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [20:51] one example is slacky.eu packages where existe one file to check dependences [20:52] *exist [20:52] *dependency [20:52] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [20:52] cybertitan: yes, but that is just a hackish way to support slapt-get .. neither slaptget nor slack-required files are supported or official. [20:53] Greetings Programs! [20:53] greetings NyteOwl [20:53] hey BP{k}, wassup? [20:53] NyteOwl: decent beer :) [20:53] mmmmmmmmmmm beer [20:54] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [20:54] no luck with any of the alternate intel drivers :( [20:54] cybertitan, no, slackpkg doesn't resolve dependencies...there are unsupported package tools that ATTEMPT to resolve dependencies, but, again, it's unsupported [20:55] icarus__ (n=tits@cpe-72-177-142-8.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:55] vinegaroon: did you install the 2.7.1 drive after the recent package upgrades [20:55] basictracks (n=peter@basictracks.demon.nl) left ##slackware. [20:55] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-26-89.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:55] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:56] those require a "slack-required" file, to which NONE of slackware's packages have [20:56] TClayton: reinstalling 2.7.1 - no change, either of the 2.7.99 drivers caused hard lockups when enabling compositing [20:56] OK :) thanks AnonymousRednek [20:56] Hey NyteOwl, how's it going? [20:56] http://packages.slackware.it/package.php?q=current/xf86-video-intel-2.7.1-i486-2.txz [20:56] cybertitan: there are two files that the slackware package tools look for in the install directory: that is the slack-desc and the doinst.sh [20:57] frame|buffer: not bad yourself? [20:57] blacksheep (n=blackshe@97-115-178-251.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] vinegaroon: that is what worked for me. [20:58] BP{k}: In irssi, with the rot13 script, is it suppose to automagically decipher what someone types if you have the script loaded? [20:58] NyteOwl: doing great, thanks. (This is fire|bird btw.) [20:58] TClayton: so desktop effects in kde work for you? [20:58] senzr|ohssre lrf [20:59] cybertitan, for?\ [20:59] frame|buffer: cool [20:59] new nick? [20:59] BP{k}: it doesn't for me or chopp. [20:59] frame|buffer: |: [20:59] have you actually loaded it? [20:59] NyteOwl: yeah, surprisingly it wasn't registered. [20:59] BP{k}: yes. [21:00] frame|buffer: weird. [21:00] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:01] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] BP{k}: indeed. [21:01] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [21:01] frame|buffer: this is the one from scripts.irssi.org? [21:01] BP{k}: so instead, I have to use /unrot13 to decipher it. [21:01] BP{k}: yeah [21:02] OC{x} Vg qrpvcuref guvf sbe lbh? [21:02] vinegaroon: desktop effects hard locks [21:02] TClayton: yeah.. [21:02] sqdnguns (n=sqdnguns@104-90.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:02] frame|buffer, the script won't auto decypher rot13 messages [21:02] frame|buffer: .. eh? [21:02] vinegaroon: yes it locks here too [21:03] how would it know which is normal text and which is rot13? [21:03] dive: hmm mine has done it in the past. [21:03] frame|buffer = fire|bird I take it? [21:04] BP{k}, how can it tell unless it has a very extensive dictionary of various languages? [21:04] dive: yup, fire|bird|phoenix|storm|frame|buffer :D [21:04] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:04] fbpsfb [21:04] and decypher each word, check dictionaries,... [21:05] damn, brb [21:05] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: "Molon Labe" [21:05] with morse it's a lot easier [21:06] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:06] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [21:07] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [21:07] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [21:07] or perhaps it decyphered everything [21:08] dive: if I am not mistaken, the script actually inserts ^B ^B before hand, which the other rot13 scripts should pick up on. [21:08] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host138-70-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [21:08] that would work [21:09] is that a non-printing char? [21:10] dive: yeah. :) [21:10] frame|buffer: OOOO i just thought of a name for you! [21:10] gez512 (n=b@host-87-242-37-28.prtelecom.hu) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:10] agentc0re: oh no, not another one. :P [21:10] noob|farm [21:10] lol :P [21:10] haha [21:11] Okay, i'll stop with those now. [21:11] end it on a good one. [21:11] framebuffer = best so far btw. [21:11] it should be a keeper. [21:11] Action: agentc0re puts his stamp of approval on it [21:12] I'm afraid to earn that name you have to work in just fb console for one month [21:12] BP{k}: Damn, i have been washing bottles all day and have yet to bottle a single drop of beer. [21:12] and no cheaing [21:12] BP{k}, I just looked at the script ;P [21:12] dive: and without the use of screen [21:13] heh [21:13] agentc0re: the frame|buffer one? yeah, I agree. :) [21:14] I can feel a midnight snack coming on [21:14] even though it's 2:14am here [21:14] lol [21:14] early morning snack. [21:14] yep [21:14] rot13, an encryption script? [21:14] nevermind...rotate 13 [21:14] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.134.70) joined ##slackware. [21:14] oy [21:14] why not use a 2 dimensional cypher if you want to do something like that [21:16] Elionz (n=viva@adsl-223-121-39.aep.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:16] user680 (n=user8965@ppp-69-223-58-244.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:17] I wonder if it's possible to generate one of those key pics that ssh keygen creates? [21:17] but 1 dimensional [21:17] Elion (n=viva@adsl-211-43-166.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:17] dive, maybe [21:20] slackfan (n=meine@89.49.43.15) joined ##slackware. [21:20] is possible run skype in slackware 64? [21:20] gabriel_, skype-static, yes\ [21:20] :o [21:20] let's see [21:21] gabriel_, to my knowledge, the one for shared libraries, no [21:21] titopoquito (n=tito@p508EB2EB.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Verlassend" [21:21] gabriel_, that comes from my experience with skype on slamd [21:21] m but slam64 is pure 64-bits? [21:21] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:22] gabriel_, other way around, slamd64 is multilib [21:22] that's the problem [21:22] slackfan (n=meine@89.49.43.15) left ##slackware. [21:23] gabriel_: no. [21:23] slackware 64 is only 64-bits so if your trying to get a 32bit app work on slackware 64 it won't work [21:23] gabriel_, but a static-compiled skype shouldn't care...has all libs built in [21:24] skype: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped [21:24] skype_static-2.0.0.72.tar.bz2 [21:25] gabriel_, it won't work without fred's 32 compat libs, then [21:25] slackfan (n=meine@89.49.43.15) joined ##slackware. [21:25] slackfan (n=meine@89.49.43.15) left ##slackware. [21:25] izap (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:25] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:26] hey, i got problems with X, it doesnt seem to get right resolution, i installed teh correct nvidia drivers as well. slackware version is 12.0 [21:26] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [21:27] did you set up a xorg.conf ? [21:27] yes [21:27] i edited it as well [21:28] genericFlounder (n=genericF@cblmdm72-240-213-70.buckeyecom.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:28] the only wrong thing i noticed was when i launched nvidia-settings, i said "Screen 0" but when i checked xorg.conf it said "Screen 1" [21:28] :| [21:28] it said* [21:28] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:28] and i have no idea how to fix that [21:28] I thought nvidia had a tool to fix the xorg.conf for you ? [21:29] bolz (n=email@c915544a.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:29] yeah but it doesnt work either [21:29] i used xorgconfig, as well as nvidia-xconfig [21:29] neither of those helped [21:29] i even re-installed X packages [21:30] why would you reinstall x packages? [21:30] because nothing else worked? [21:30] did you try with just the nv driver ? [21:31] yes [21:31] and ? [21:31] elderK (n=elderk@222-152-15-122.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [21:31] dude, i tried EVERYTHING i can [21:31] and nothing solved it [21:31] dude [21:31] ok [21:31] why are you on such an old slackware release, too ? [21:32] when i tried to install 12.2 it would not detect my cd-rom [21:32] first when it happened it was 12.2 [21:33] but 12.0 didn't? They both use syslinux [21:33] exactly [21:33] it worked fine before [21:33] even the resolution worked fine before [21:33] same box, same settings [21:34] i feel like installing windows is last resort [21:34] i had this problem for the past few weeks now [21:34] i would install Debian before i would put ms-windows on there [21:35] oh i tried ubuntu as well. [21:35] look at your xorg log to see what is failing. if you reinstalled all x/ packages, your nvidia install is gone too [21:35] or Crux, if you really want something you can customize [21:37] alright, downloading crux [21:37] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:37] crux is source based, fyi [21:38] and also uses a syslinux installer [21:38] er, loader [21:38] well this i have no idea whats wrong, maybe its the DVD of 12.2 thats bad [21:39] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:39] but ill try anything if that fixes it. [21:39] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:39] izap, if you post your xorg.conf to a pastebin site we could have a look at it [21:39] seriously, you're going to try switching distributions instead of fixing a little xorg.conf issue ? [21:40] lol [21:40] it seems a little extreme to swap distros because of a resolution problem [21:40] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [21:40] well its not the first time im having it [21:40] i got a thread up at LQ [21:40] link? [21:41] you think ive would switch distros if it was a small problem.. [21:41] not really [21:41] THEN POST SOMETHING USEFUL [21:41] jesus [21:41] here is my xorg.conf. here is my log. here is what I've tried. [21:41] Action: LnxSlck thrice` is getting mad by now [21:41] :D [21:42] entertainment this way [21:42] :) [21:42] I hate "it doesn't work" problems :) [21:42] yeap [21:43] ... [21:43] Skywise (n=noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:44] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:45] ok let's try one more time [21:45] izap (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [21:45] oh well :( [21:45] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [21:45] starting to think another distro would be a better option for him [21:45] me too [21:45] izap, go to pastebin.ca and put up your xorg.conf and xorg log, then give us the link please [21:46] axtroz (n=axtroz@77.78.10.32) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:46] ah [21:48] why was he trying to skip the 12.1 update (12.0 -> 12.2) [21:48] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@infectious.cc) joined ##slackware. [21:50] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:50] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [21:51] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:51] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [21:51] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [21:52] question: I've booted from huge kernel, but want to use generic - how do I tell which driver in huge is being used for my SATA controller so I can include it in my initrd ? [21:52] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:53] yosi_ (n=yosi@63.99.218.194) joined ##slackware. [21:54] rk4n3: you shouldn't need to specify it, actually; usually just the root FS module [21:55] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:55] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@90.200.128.174) joined ##slackware. [21:55] thrice`: OK, I'll give it a shot - thanks [21:55] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [21:56] Sorry about all these quits & joins, fixing stuff... [21:56] user680 (n=user8965@ppp-69-223-58-244.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [21:56] often, if on the same disk and kernel version, "mkinitrd -m " is OK [21:57] izap (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:57] harls (n=harls@c-98-204-57-154.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: [21:58] wd (n=wd@ppp-69-229-5-185.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@90.200.128.174) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:58] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@90.200.128.174) joined ##slackware. [22:00] guys if i can't find "feh" for 10.2 can i use the 12 version or just find source and compile? [22:00] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/graphics/feh/ will probably work just fine [22:01] i wouldn't use a 12.x package, as it'll link against things you don't have; however, compiling it yourself should work [22:01] anyone got a second for a very easy php/sql question [22:01] jeev: sure [22:01] yay [22:01] thrice`: ok [22:02] dont lauhg at my sql or i'll burn you alive! [22:02] $query55 = "SELECT sum(bandwidth) FROM `bandwidth` WHERE username = '$client' AND date >= '$start' AND date <= '$end'"; [22:02] i just want it to output that [22:02] $result55 = mysql_query($query55); [22:02] but i'm used to numrows and i just need the output [22:02] btw guys it's me the guy who pressed enter to fdisk gentoo last week.. yay.. toshiba 400cs 75mhz/2g hd 40meg ram going strong. lol. [22:03] ew wd but that's cool [22:03] pizza pizza says little ceasars. boy i wish we had that here [22:03] axtroz (n=axtroz@77.78.10.32) joined ##slackware. [22:03] nix_chix0r, little caesars was good back then [22:03] /msg NickServ identify 0187331 [22:03] axtroz thanks! [22:03] yeah [22:03] nice [22:03] haha [22:03] sure np :D [22:04] rk4n3, any luck [22:04] jeev: sure, hold on [22:04] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@90.200.128.174) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:04] now time to move to bigger boxes.. just getting use to the file system. [22:04] lol [22:04] Hey nix_chix0r, how's it going? [22:04] icarus__ (n=tits@cpe-72-177-142-8.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:04] damn, fouth time this week, I really need to get another keyboard >< [22:04] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@90.200.128.174) joined ##slackware. [22:04] hehe [22:05] good at my buddies in minneapolis finishing that 680gig transfer. i fell through i couldn't wait 55years to do it at my brothers house [22:05] so i drove three hours south and tomorrow we are going tubing in cannon falls [22:05] axtroz: so this will be the fourth password change this week as well? :P [22:05] nube tubing ? [22:05] jeev: first, I think you'd need: [22:05] you have grenade launchers? [22:05] josefig (n=josefig@200.56.159.156) joined ##slackware. [22:05] $query55 = "SELECT sum(bandwidth) FROM bandwidth WHERE username = '".$client."' AND date >= '".$start."' AND date <= '".$end."'"; [22:05] frame|buffer actually i don't care anymore >< [22:05] tubing down some river that takes like 6hrs or so [22:05] rk4n3, mine works [22:05] so i dunno [22:05] nix_chix0r: awesome. Have a good time. (I'm sure you will) [22:06] wd (n=wd@ppp-69-229-5-185.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:06] rk4n3, this is my goal for today and i have 10 minutes to get it [22:06] frame|buffer, hell yeah. 80 degrees tomorrow i'm going to get some sun and chill [22:06] OK, well what's your question - just how to output a value from $query55 ? [22:06] yes sir [22:06] nix_chix0r: nice. that'll be perfect. [22:06] TOTAL USAGE FOR ALL COMPANIES: '. $result55 .'
[22:06] <|alisonken1churc> nix_chix0r: you can have some of our triple-digit weather :) [22:06] jeev: what's the web page context you're in ... [22:06] that doens't work, it gives me resource id ;/ [22:06] just privat,e only for me [22:06] adding up bandwidth [22:06] basictracks (n=peter@basictracks.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [22:06] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@90.200.128.174) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:07] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@90.200.128.174) joined ##slackware. [22:07] sum(bandwidth) [22:07] 1430703795 [22:07] that's the output in PMA [22:07] phpmyadmin [22:07] OK, so $pRow = mysql_fetch_assoc( $query55); [22:08] hmm i tried that [22:08] nix_chix0r: today it got to about 73 here, slight breeze, low humidity. The weather was perfect here today. [22:08] beautiful weather [22:08] then echo "Got: ".$pRow['sum(bandwidth)']."
"; [22:08] it outputs Array [22:08] sec [22:08] ... that's because you didn't wait for me to finish [22:09] nix_chix0r: yeah, hopefully it keeps up for a while instead of that good ol Minnesota Hot and Humid weather. :P [22:09] got it [22:09] thanks [22:09] jeev: :) [22:09] fuck frame|buffer it hasn't been hot here in weeks i live in mnorthern mn normally i have to drive 3hrs south to get anywhere [22:10] rk4n3, one more thing please i havce 6 minutes ;) [22:10] OK, shoot ... [22:10] it's in bytes, i want to /1024 and show as kb, then /1024 and show as mb, then /1024 in gigabyte [22:10] is that right? my math [22:10] poor jeev, so noob [22:10] nix_chix0r: yeah (this is fire|bird). In SW MN, it gets hot and humid a lot of the time, but lately, it hasn't been too bad. :) [22:11] :> [22:11] nix_chix0r: heh, 3 hours, you sure are really out in the middle of nowhere. :P [22:12] jeev: yep, that's the basic idea ... for an example, check out http://www.123marbella.net/en/free-bandwith-calculator.html [22:12] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-238.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:13] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:13] I've got a doubt, here is my situation: when my laptop is running slackware 12.2 with kernel 2.6.30 on battery power the battery is unloading pretty fast, i'm running gnome slack build is there a script or something like that to set battery profiles ? i mean to get down the speed processor, bright screen, etc? [22:13] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@90.200.128.174) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:13] yea rk4n3 but how can i pull it off php [22:13] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [22:14] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@90.200.128.174) joined ##slackware. [22:14] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@90.200.128.174) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:14] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:14] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@90.200.128.174) joined ##slackware. [22:15] jeev: ah, convert the string to an integer and then just use normal math operators on it [22:15] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [22:15] it is an integer [22:15] ok anyway im not a programmer [22:15] far from one [22:15] i'm a womanizer, i gotta go i'l be back tonight [22:15] thanks [22:16] OK, if you're getting an int already, then just do the math on it with normal math operators :) [22:17] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@90.200.128.174) left irc: Client Quit [22:17] elderK (n=elderk@222-152-15-122.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "Leaving..." [22:18] $numberkb = $numRows55['sum(bandwidth)'] / 1024; [22:18] ignore numrows but it's cool, works i guess [22:19] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:19] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.9.94) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:19] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@darksystem.idleaire.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:19] nobody knows? [22:19] ubuntu vs suse vs debian vs slack64: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=powtrix-10476-26211-2390 [22:19] heh [22:20] josefig: cpu freq. is set in rc.modules, usually [22:20] k [22:20] lemme check. [22:21] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:22] a "cat /proc/cpuinfo" will tell you if the cpu is scaling. otherwise, gnome can set them with one of its applets, i think [22:24] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [22:26] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@90.200.128.174) joined ##slackware. [22:26] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-217-200.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:28] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [22:29] basictracks (n=peter@basictracks.demon.nl) left ##slackware. [22:31] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-217-200.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [22:33] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:44] gabriel: good idea lol. thanks [22:45] hah [22:47] echo 'asdasdasd' >> file [22:48] Im having problems with X [22:48] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [22:48] apps file failure [22:48] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/bad-resolutionedid-problem-741101/#post3612306 [22:48] here we go [22:48] all the logs and info is there [22:49] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.152.59.145) joined ##slackware. [22:49] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:50] Hi, is slackpkg pretty much the preferred way to go from 12.2 to current? [22:50] izap, crazy resolution :) what monitor is it? [22:51] samsumg 2343nw [22:51] samsung lol [22:51] the x log doesnt mention an error it seems [22:51] it does [22:52] what is the error line? [22:52] 401 [22:53] its a warning, nothing serious [22:53] ;-/ [22:53] whats that mud client [22:54] tank-man: at the top you can see that its removing my resolution for some reason [22:54] The preferred way is to manually read the changelog. [22:54] frame|buffer (n=frame|bu@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [22:55] That's too much reading :p [22:55] frame|buffer (n=frame|bu@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [22:56] kejen: AFAIK slackpkg is not an official slackware shipped app, so i suppose it's not the best way to upgrade. [22:57] slackpkg is included in sw [22:57] yes it is [22:57] hm didn't knew sorry >< [22:57] yes it is included I mean [22:57] my bad [22:57] laters, sleepytime for me so i am going to visit dreamland for a while :D [22:57] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:58] tank-man: also after i do xorgconfig i can choose up to 1400x1050 [22:58] but same problem remains [22:59] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:59] izap, do you have a manual or other info that states which resolutions your monitor can support? [23:00] Reason being is there is detailed instructions for 12.1 to 12.2, but in the current directory the UPDATE.TXT is the same file [23:00] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [23:00] izap: what is the problem? I came in late [23:00] kejen, I expect when 13 is released there will be an upgrade.txt to show how to upgrade [23:00] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/bad-resolutionedid-problem-741101/#post3612306 [23:00] he can't get native res on his new lcd [23:00] kejen: all info is there [23:00] kejen: I've upgraded 12.2 to current with upgradepkg [23:01] Can anybody recommend collaboration software? [23:01] Zimbra? [23:01] Currently using...a wiki, a forum, and email...i.e a complete mess [23:01] outlook :) [23:01] dive: samsungs official website states 2048x1152 [23:01] OpenGroupware? [23:01] trac [23:01] twiki [23:01] wiki [23:01] http://www.egroupware.org/ [23:01] I keep -current on one box using slackpkg [23:01] Motoko-chan: I'll check it out -- thanks! [23:01] Cross-platform? [23:02] but that isn't going from 12.2 o -curent [23:02] Also http://www.opengroupware.org/ [23:02] tank-man: its not new, ive had that resolution before on this box and monitor [23:02] izap: when you type xrandr, what does it say max resolution is? [23:02] says cant open display [23:03] as user [23:03] not root [23:03] i did as user [23:03] are you in X now or in console? [23:03] im in tty [23:03] but X works [23:03] i got it open [23:03] you need to run that command in X [23:03] it will list modes [23:04] says maximum 640x480 [23:04] That's a pimp resolution! :D [23:04] not really :( [23:05] do you have the right mode lines in your x config? [23:05] agentc0re: yeah, maybe several years ago, but not now. :P [23:05] my xorg.conf is up in that thread [23:05] izap, you said this was working before, what changed so that now it doesnt work? [23:05] check that the v and h refresh are correct [23:05] tank-man: power outage, restarted and bam, no resolution [23:06] ah [23:06] frame|buffer: I bet you know all about it. :P wow what a stupid pun.. [23:06] haha [23:06] I must admit I do prefer fire|bird to your current [23:07] agentc0re: I remember the old 15 and 17 inch CRT's where the max resolution was around 800x600. :) [23:07] dive: really? Any particular reason? [23:07] izap, that doesnt sound good [23:07] Action: dartmouth #$#@$$#@ [23:07] but i had it working after that as well [23:07] with useedid false [23:07] but it stopped working after another restart [23:07] lol [23:07] frame|buffer, it seems like a name rather than a... thing [23:07] some dude is preaching in #windows about how slackware has been discontinued..... [23:07] LOL [23:07] a little help, plz [23:08] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [23:08] dartmouth, hi, I got that mail you sent me but when I replied I got an error back saying your mx record is wrong [23:08] !! [23:08] dive: So, you prefer my nick is a thing as opposed to a name? :P [23:08] dive: yeah i screwed it up; I need to fix that. thanks for reminding me. [23:08] why? Is there any reason why we should care what nonsense is being spouted in #windows ? [23:08] internal is working but external is not. [23:09] rob0: FUD = FUD [23:09] frame|buffer, I dunno it just seems more like a nick than frame|buffer [23:09] izap: who picked the horizsync and vertrefresh? You did, or did Xorg -configure put those in? [23:09] nvidia-xconfig did [23:09] dartmouth, are they still talking about it now? [23:09] If people go to a place called #windows for Linux information, they'll have little chance. [23:10] dartmouth: Well, should we start talking in here about windows being discontinued? :P [23:10] dive: nah he figured it out i think [23:10] cat sow_ear > silk_purse [23:10] frame|buffer: HAHAHA I love that [23:11] ˇ [23:11] Action: CmdLnKid goes to mount a MS flag to my r00f [23:11] :D [23:12] izap: try commenting those lines out, restart X and see if you get a bigger resolution. [23:12] CmdLnKid: lol [23:12] kejen: alright. [23:12] Im hoping it will show up on google maps 3d thats all [23:13] izap, also you might to comment that 'UseEdid no' out [23:13] izap, usually x will get a whole lst of modes [23:13] http://xkcd.com/386/ [23:13] Iisa_ (i=Ghostrip@41.236.13.227) joined ##slackware. [23:13] I'm wondering whether that power outage b0rked it... [23:14] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [23:14] i dont know what b0rked means, but i bet thats not good. [23:14] rob0, quite right too [23:14] broken [23:14] rob0: LOL [23:14] Nick change: fire|bird -> silvergold [23:15] who is wrong? :) [23:15] 03:07 < dartmouth> some dude is preaching in #windows about how slackware has been discontinued..... [23:15] Action: agentc0re points at rob0 [23:15] 03:07 < dartmouth> a little help, plz [23:15] no groupware software in Slackbuilds huh? [23:15] slackbuilds.org, I mean [23:15] Nick change: silvergold -> fire|bird [23:15] he shut up before i could be a douche about it. :( [23:15] shame [23:15] ... [23:15] dive: better? :P [23:15] Before YOU could be a douche? [23:15] lol [23:15] much better :p [23:15] kejen: tried that, xrandr says max 1024x768 [23:16] izap, well that is a little progress [23:16] dive: also tried to comment out UseEDID line and nvidia-settings lets to do 1152x768 [23:17] izap, you got another box to test the monitor on? [23:17] if i had that resolution after the power outage, its not broken is it? [23:17] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:17] dive: not realy [23:17] really [23:17] What I would do is run Xorg -configure and see what X finds for your vertrefresh and horizsync. And see if they match to the ones you're using [23:17] dive: So, now I have both frame|buffer and fire|bird. I just grouped fire|bird to my other freenode account. :P [23:18] fire|bird, good plan [23:18] dive: so in the end, I had to ungroup phoenix|storm. :P [23:18] hmm [23:19] kejen: by xorg -configure you mean xorgconfig ? [23:19] well I think you should stick with fire|bird (except on zombie days) [23:19] then you can use fire|braaaains! [23:19] lol [23:19] but let's not get started on that one [23:20] :) [23:20] izap: no, just run Xorg -configure and it will give you a file in the directory called xorg.conf.new and look at that file...it won't overwrite anything [23:20] hmm...so i used openvpn and i have 192.168.2.0 going over the vpn...now i have a VM on a bridge on that host, how can i get data from the bridge to go over the VPN? [23:22] run Xorg -configure as root, in a console by the way, not inside of x [23:22] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-55-121.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:23] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-28-138.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [23:23] kejen: it doesn't even have those values in that file [23:23] :| [23:23] frame|buffer (n=frame|bu@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Here I go!"). [23:24] do you have the manual for that monitor? [23:24] or try to find them online from samsung site..have the right values are essensial to get the best resolution (at least in my experience) [23:25] Slaxxer (n=brian@ip72-204-125-6.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:25] izap, how long was the power outage? Some time or just a brown-out? And, have you turned the pc off and disconnected mains plugs etc since then? [23:25] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) left irc: "Leaving" [23:25] it's odd it's not reporting it though. Every LCD I have used reports it to X [23:26] dive: just few seconds i guess. yeah its been off, i cleaned it out, removed the card etc. [23:26] kejen: alright, ill try to see if their right [23:27] izap, like kejen said, you could try looking up the values and putting them in. If that fails I would be looking for another box to test on just to see which settings show. [23:29] axtroz (n=axtroz@77.78.10.32) left irc: "Leaving" [23:30] hehe, found the values on the website, and they are completely wrong in my xorg.conf lol [23:30] gonna change them now and see if that works. [23:31] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:35] kejen: after i changed the values and do startx, monitor says "Not optimum mode" and error just floats on the screen [23:37] hmmm [23:37] what are the values? [23:38] maybe xorg.log has some info in it? [23:40] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:40] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:40] but something is wrong, the card/drivers, or lcd doesn't want to run in that resolution [23:41] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [23:41] RodrigoRJ (n=rodrigol@189.60.46.120) joined ##slackware. [23:41] _budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:41] _budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [23:42] kejen: horiz: 30 - 81 vert: 50 - 85 [23:43] ill check out the log now. [23:43] and you're starting it in native resolution, using nvidia drivers? [23:44] Sargonal (n=Severanc@209.Red-88-6-109.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [23:47] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:48] kejen: nothing new in the log no errors or anything else related [23:48] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-18-197.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:48] kejen: with those values? no i cant start X with those values [23:48] izap: and you're trying to start it in the correct resolution right? [23:49] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-238.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Nick collision from services. [23:49] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [23:50] kejen: yes [23:50] I don't, I would try testing it on another computer next just to make sure something didn't happen in the power outage [23:50] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@173.4.223.5) joined ##slackware. [23:50] kejen: but if i had that resolution AFTER the outage [23:50] there must be something [23:51] try this [23:52] Use Xorg -configure to make a xorg.conf.new file, put the corrent HorizSync and VertRefresh values in it, Make sure you put a DefaultDepth and the resolution mode under the depth [23:54] Then just replace nv with nvidia, that's how I always set it up...never used the nvidia programs [23:54] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] RodrigoRJ (n=rodrigol@189.60.46.120) left irc: [23:54] xorgconfig is pretty much outdated [23:55] RodrigoRJ (n=rodrigol@189.60.46.120) joined ##slackware. [23:56] Hello. Just purchased the Penumbra Game Trilogy in an effort to support them for porting to Linux. Installed fine but when I click the desktop icons it doesn't start. What I have read on the LQ forums leads me to believe it is a driver issue but I'm in over my head here. Sure would love to get my DRI to say YES and play this game. [23:56] just watched one of them 'serial killer special' style show about Hans Reiser on SunTV [23:56] pretty intence show [23:57] RodrigoRJ (n=rodrigol@189.60.46.120) left irc: Client Quit [23:58] josefig (n=josefig@200.56.159.156) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:58] chopp (i=1000@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:58] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.152.59.145) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:58] RodrigoRJ (n=rodrigol@189.60.46.120) joined ##slackware. [23:59] (thus the question becomes: "how do I get my cool new little game working?") [23:59] http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/07/18/0136224/New-Linux-Kernel-Flaw-Allows-Null-Pointer-Exploits?from=rss [00:00] --- Sun Jul 19 2009