[00:00] KaMii: unlikely to be the issue [00:01] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:01] KaMii: unless you have a real ethernet card bound to eth0 [00:01] :S i was hoping the issue was a conflict with wifi and ether [00:01] and if I just turn off wifi [00:01] then problem soloved [00:02] KaMii: in iwconfig, does it say "no wireless extensions" next to eth0? [00:02] no [00:02] it says no wireless extention next to eth1 and lo [00:03] not sure why i have an eth0 and an eth1 [00:03] i thought i should only have just eth0 [00:03] KaMii: ifconfig eth1 up [00:03] eth1 is your wired connection, eth0 is your wireless [00:04] half way there [00:04] now ifconfig shows eth1 [00:04] but no ip [00:04] ViniciusPXMB (~puroosso@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) left irc: Quit: Usar Linux amacia o cabelo [00:04] KaMii: dhcpcd [00:05] nope [00:05] didnt do it [00:06] what other commands can I throw at it? [00:06] what dhcpcd command did you throw? [00:06] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Timeout ( 0 Seconds ) [00:06] dhclient [00:07] wait... [00:07] ip link show [00:07] i may have turned off dchp client on the router [00:08] fxer (~fxer@c80-216-211-114.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [00:08] Action: andarius wonders how a dhcp client on the router will help... server maybe? [00:08] no its enabled [00:09] online [00:09] dhclient wasnt started [00:10] i thought it was enabled from install [00:10] guess not [00:10] by default in most cases slackware will use dhcpcd [00:11] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:12] Nick change: _Lucifer -> Yandertal [00:12] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [00:13] added that to rc.local [00:15] Is there a command to immediately power off a machine, as though the power was cut? [00:15] with acpuspd, yes [00:16] and the appropriate power supply [00:16] Damn. [00:16] there might be another way [00:17] also, the magic sysrq keys might just do it, like "B" [00:17] Can that be done, via ssh? [00:17] via /proc, perhaps [00:17] I remembered magic sysrq, but I expect that that would have to be done via keyboard. [00:18] yeah, i think you can probably just cat to a file under /proc (maybe /sys) [00:18] trhodes, I'll see if there's a sys/proc interface for magicsys [00:19] iirc, it might have had trigger in the filename [00:19] perhaps poweroff or halt [00:20] andarius, has to shut off right away. [00:20] Think /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq might be what I need. [00:25] |Slacker| (~cris@189.26.10.243.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:25] slck-o (~cris@189.26.13.11.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:29] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [00:31] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-157-184.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:34] arenics (1000@unaffiliated/arenics) joined ##slackware. [00:35] fxer (~fxer@c80-216-211-114.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:39] forlan (forlan@unaffiliated/deco) left ##slackware. [00:39] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [00:39] AndChat| (~AndChat@99.155.36.5) joined ##slackware. [00:40] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-157-184.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:41] Does any one have any ideas of getting outpu to svideo port with ati video card? [00:41] Slack 13.1 [00:41] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt3-port-75.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:43] AndChat| (~AndChat@99.155.36.5) left irc: Client Quit [00:44] man ati [00:51] arenics (1000@unaffiliated/arenics) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:53] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.67.31) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:53] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.67.31) joined ##slackware. [00:59] godane (~arch@c-75-68-6-221.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:00] Tadgy (~tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) joined ##slackware. [01:00] Courtney (~courtney@bakusaiga.trekweb.org) joined ##slackware. [01:01] looks like finding packages for slackintosh is going to be a pain [01:01] hehehe [01:01] Action: Tadgy licks Courtney [01:01] *giggle* [01:02] :O [01:02] godane (~arch@c-75-68-6-221.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [01:03] how about find someone else to practice your cyber-exhibitionism? [01:03] s/someone/somewhere/ [01:03] Action: Courtney licks nyRednek [01:03] Courtney: ^^ iow, OT or GTFO [01:04] :( [01:05] are you some important guy to order people around..? [01:05] Courtney: this is a slackware support channel...this is a polite request for decorum [01:06] Tadgy started it! [01:06] Courtney: i really don't care who started it or what you want to think *it* is [01:06] nyRednek: I hardly think two people saying hello to eachother shows a lack of decorum.. [01:06] Or are people not allowed to welcome their friends any more? [01:06] Tadgy: that wasn't hello, this isn't a social channel [01:07] wow.. just wow [01:07] hahaha [01:07] I've seen worse off-topic social discussion than that.. in the past 12 hours [01:07] geeze [01:07] Action: Dominian gives everyone a beer [01:07] nyRednek: Not a social channel? Have you been at the Crack::Pipe or something? [01:07] thanks, Dominian [01:07] Dominian: maybe, i wasn't here [01:07] This channel is full of people who talk "socially"! [01:07] Dominian: rather, i was afk [01:08] ok well back to finding out how to get rid of this stupid 'hide icons' on the task bar arrow thingy [01:08] jeev_ (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [01:09] hhhhhhhhhh [01:09] bbbbbbbbbbbbbb [01:09] please maintain the decorum thanks [01:09] lol [01:10] zing! [01:10] :) [01:10] zzzzzzzzzzz [01:10] you know what i'm curious about [01:10] when the hugeeeeeee change in price per meg will be in the U.S. [01:10] deregulate and you'll see it [01:10] Oi! [01:10] Dominian: heh [01:10] No social chat! [01:10] has nothing to do with deregulating [01:10] Thats not ON TOPIC! [01:11] Dominian: /kill Tadgy [01:11] lol [01:11] jeev_: I'm just repeating what nyRednek told me and Courtney off for. [01:11] Apparently we're not allowed to "social chat" in here. [01:11] too bad, kill. [01:12] Dominian: i say in two years, you'll see colo or dedi offers like the ones that are 1000gb transfer, 2000gb transfer.. i think the average deal will be 50TB/100TB, that's what 100tb.com anticipated i bet [01:12] I'm hopin so [01:12] i bet bw in like 3 or 4 years will be 25 cents per meg [01:12] at gigabit commit [01:12] well actually no [01:12] Tadgy (~tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) left irc: Quit: even [01:13] yea it has to be deregulated, first the ISP's have to expand, docsis 3 and FTTH.. stupid gayverse [01:13] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt3-port-75.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby [01:13] once they start hitting the 100mbps connections on average households, bandwidth will have to drpo [01:13] drop [01:13] Courtney (~courtney@bakusaiga.trekweb.org) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:14] Tadgy (~tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) joined ##slackware. [01:15] bleeding|edge (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) joined ##slackware. [01:15] jeev_: well.. [01:15] jeev_: what bugs me.. [01:15] jeev_: is the whole "fiber to the premise' crap [01:15] pretty much every ISP is doin ghtat.. except AT&T [01:15] they cheap out and do copper the last mile [01:16] korg815 (~korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [01:16] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:16] Dominian: Thats standard here in the UK [01:16] Tadgy: copper last mile? [01:16] yea Dominian but i think sometime soon shit will change [01:16] Especially on the DOCSIS netowrks - it's fibre to the CMTS, then CATV to the home. [01:16] bah [01:16] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [01:16] They promisede fiber to the premise [01:16] :) [01:17] Verizon does it.. but not AT&T and i'm like.. 2 miles outside of the Verizon area [01:17] For residential, over here we ahve two options: DOCSIS (cable modem), and ADSL (DSL if you've got the £££) - both of which are fibre to the termination point, then copper to the home. [01:17] blech [01:18] FTTH costs a fortune here - like 000's per year [01:18] yah [01:19] Tadgy, docsis is hackable. [01:19] what are you waiting for [01:19] LAN extension circuits are less expensive than fibre (still delivered over copper) but cost much less than fibre. [01:20] jeev_: Been there, done that :) [01:20] I didn't say that /I/ paid for the services :) [01:21] brb on my other comp [01:21] jeev_ (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.6/20100625231939] [01:22] Tadgy (~tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) left irc: Quit: Getting_Blown_By_Courtney [01:24] am0rphis (~qwe@79.124.177.158) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:26] :> [01:26] isn't Courtney Tadgy's mom ? [01:27] no [01:27] cpunches' EX iirc [01:27] ah [01:31] kacbep: never used openbsd...does it have ports/pkgsrc nowadays? [01:36] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.67.31) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:37] arenics (1000@unaffiliated/arenics) joined ##slackware. [01:38] Yandertal (~Yandertal@unaffiliated/yandertal) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:38] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:40] how many non americans here who grew up calling all types of cereal "cheerios" or "corn flakes" [01:40] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt3-port-75.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [01:42] usus12jari (~ashe@125.166.163.186) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:47] 9heh [01:47] my laptop uptime is 4 days [01:47] heh* [01:47] I didn't realize [01:48] reboot it [01:48] Yandertal (~Yandertal@unaffiliated/yandertal) joined ##slackware. [01:48] i've got a server that has like 602 days now [01:49] I don't need to reboot it [01:49] it's fine [01:49] before we moved my friends server from abovenet in NY, it was up i think 2000 or 3000 days [01:49] reboot it cause i said so [01:49] heh [01:49] slackpkg update [01:49] nah [01:49] hmm im tired i think [01:49] I am [01:49] what as tupid saturday [01:50] i was outthe whole day and i'm drained [01:50] gezley (~gezley@86-42-210-43-dynamic.b-ras1.cld.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Quit: gezley [01:50] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:50] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [01:51] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [01:51] what is it about SMP that a modern single core cpu should have this support for? [01:51] usus12jari (~ashe@125.166.163.186) joined ##slackware. [01:51] some people have told me that modern single core cpu should have SMP support compiled in [01:51] wolven (~wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: Read error: No route to host [01:53] huh [01:53] Xgates: it really makes no or little diff to the core [01:53] in some cases having smp can be bad [01:53] do you mean hyperthreading [01:53] I have a system that wont boot and SMP kernel :( [01:53] I'm not talking about dual cores, just that someone said any modern CPU should have the support compiled in [01:54] the CPU should? umm... [01:54] nevermind, I need more beer [01:55] SMP is suppose to be for dual core support BUT I was told IF you have a modern single core cpu there are benefits to using it [01:55] such has? [01:55] s/has/as/ [01:55] there are a few& it is generally better at handling threat processing [01:55] I don't remember what they said that's why I'm asking :p [01:55] Guest98046 (~root@121.54.29.50) joined ##slackware. [01:55] patrick himself will tell you there is benefit [01:55] can anyone help me how to reset XFCE window manager in terminal? [01:56] and that means what? [01:56] i was using XFCE and changing its manager, suddenly it log me out and i can't startx [01:56] Nick change: Sauron|Out -> BiCHiTo [01:57] I would say there are minor pros and cons to SMP on a single core, non-HT CPU. all marginal at best most likely [01:57] i want a single 12Ghz core [01:57] HT doesn't make much of a difference& it only gives you the illusion of true muti thread processing [01:58] SmartOne (~SmartOne@112.135.14.128) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:58] umm, depends on the apps [01:58] and system use [01:58] neonflux (~neonflux@69.198.135.242) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:58] that can be said about most anything [01:58] andarius, viewing porn [01:58] jeev: then it is a plus :) [01:58] I can say my desktop drags in several cases without it. so I use it :) [01:59] heh [01:59] porn and HT :P [01:59] most movies recommend the use of HT but it will not prevent STD's or AIDS [02:01] Timer frequency (1000 HZ) ---> any suggestions on these values? [02:02] http://lwn.net/Articles/145973/ [02:03] select netwrok -> Interfaces -> click on the pencil to edit the only uplink I have [02:03] bahh [02:03] Guest98046 (~root@121.54.29.50) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [02:04] For most systems, you should use the generic SMP kernel if it will run, [02:04] even if your system is not SMP-capable. Some newer hardware needs the [02:04] local APIC enabled in the SMP kernel, and theoretically there should not be [02:04] Channel flood from gniks -- kicking [02:04] a performance penalty with using the SMP-capable kernel on a uniprocessor [02:04] machine, as the SMP kernel tests for this and makes necessary adjustments. [02:04] gniks kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [02:05] may the mighty boot fly!! [02:05] 7 lines i'm impressed [02:05] and it means absolutely nothing to me [02:05] so a wasted 7 lines :) [02:05] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [02:05] well that was dumb [02:06] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt3-port-75.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [02:06] and slightly pointless [02:06] totally [02:06] well, in short, SMP is good for newer uniprocessor machines because it enables local APIC needed by some newer hardware [02:07] ridout (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:07] there was 4 sentences i was attempting to show you from the slackware change logs [02:07] but the channel was being dumb [02:07] as I understand it you can emab le that for uniprocessor without SMP [02:07] you probably can& but the slackware kernels don't do that by default [02:08] yes, but that lends more to my saying what does Pats pref have to do with this? [02:08] if you're running a stock kernel, its good to know [02:09] hba (~hba@189.130.26.195) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:09] also, the lil paragraph states there should be no performance penalty for running SMP kernels on uniprocessor machines [02:09] should be, should is a big word [02:09] such as it completely fails to boot on one of mine [02:09] I would call that a pretty big hit [02:10] ive never seen performance issues with SMP kernels on uniprocessor machines [02:10] and its very possible that there is something related to SMP enabled that is causing the issue, and not SMP itself [02:10] but your machine apparently is just happy without it& so don't run it [02:11] you should be able to [02:11] wrong window :( [02:11] :p [02:11] should is a big word ;) [02:11] is it good in 13.1 to use these two: [02:12] [*] Deprecated /proc/acpi files [02:12] actualy if you read the docs it is noted some machines will not boot smp, which is why non-smp is included as well [02:12] Deprecated power /proc/acpi directories [02:12] ahhh [02:12] yeah, some won't& but a lot will [02:13] should I compile in those two for /proc/acpi? [02:13] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.41.127) joined ##slackware. [02:13] most will, and most will be smp lately :) [02:13] Pat has them compiled in [02:13] Xgates: if you dont know then use the stock as a starting point [02:13] make oldconfig [02:13] i thought /proc/acpi was no longer used for something else? [02:14] jgeboski (jgeboski@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. [02:14] but i could be wrong on that [02:14] blondais (~agris@pasts.blondais.lv) joined ##slackware. [02:15] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-214.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:15] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:17] jgeboski (~jgeboski@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [02:18] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [02:20] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:23] gniks: yep, newer acpi uses netlink sockets instead (iirc), but there's still some stuff out there that depends on /proc/acpi (hal maybe? I forgot) [02:23] alan` and dcauter: hi [02:23] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:24] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:25] neonflux (~neonflux@69.198.135.242) joined ##slackware. [02:25] yeah [02:25] its been a while since ive read about that stuff [02:25] but even REL and CentOS are enabling acpi [02:26] so prolly should keep it in unless you know for sure everything doesn't need it :p [02:26] yup [02:27] Action: Motoko-chan looks in [02:28] fun times [02:28] Action: andarius holds up a beer :o [02:28] Action: KaMii cries [02:30] Action: Motoko-chan goes back and drinks her tea [02:30] Action: Motoko-chan pats KaMii [02:30] What's wrong? [02:31] john_dee (~id@78-106-242-22.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [02:31] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:34] which texteditor i can use at the livecd? [02:36] vi [02:36] ok [02:36] or vim I think [02:36] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [02:36] i always tried vim>_> [02:36] nono vi [02:37] i still dont get slack work [02:37] well slack works [02:37] but my monitor isnt getting a signal-.- [02:37] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:39] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:40] i want a beer [02:40] lol [02:40] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-214.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:41] neonflux (~neonflux@69.198.135.242) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:42] i had some good beer [02:42] john_dee (~id@78-106-242-22.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:43] where can i look which graphic chip is used?(not xorg) [02:43] neonflux (~neonflux@69.198.135.242) joined ##slackware. [02:44] hey i found a use for ubuntu [02:45] the live-cd makes the perfect cup holder [02:45] mehax: lspci [02:45] KaMii: not funny [02:45] lol @ kamii [02:45] its soo funny [02:45] and true [02:45] woh3 (~will@nv-67-232-145-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [02:45] i agree, very funny [02:45] gives gniks an ubuntu live-cd so he can how have a cup-holder [02:46] yaya, i needed one too! :) [02:46] kornerr (kornerr@95.181.19.54) left ##slackware. [02:46] Kids... [02:47] rworkman, where can i change it?:O [02:48] buy a new graphics card [02:48] D: [02:49] argh. Anyone recall the name of the X modeline calculator? short cryptic command name, know I have it installed, can't remember... [02:49] i want a new graphics card [02:49] like 1 gig or more [02:50] woh3 (will@nv-67-232-145-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. [02:50] the only calculator i know is xcalc, kcalc, and bc :p [02:51] Urchlay: amlc? [02:51] can you grep partial package names? [02:51] galculator [02:51] like *calc [02:51] http://galculator.sourceforge.net/ [02:51] gezley (~gezley@86-42-210-43-dynamic.b-ras1.cld.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [02:51] grep foo /var/log/packages/* [02:52] -i can help you too [02:52] Urchlay: you mean that dumps video modelines? [02:52] hm. I have neither installed... whatever it was, was one of those "buy a damn vowel already" names (like httpd or dhcpcd, nobody can pronounce it) [02:52] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:52] buy a damn vowel name [02:52] hahaha [02:53] slakmagik: well, I give it a resolution and refresh rate, it gives me a Modeline line for xorg.conf. Can't use the browser-based ones, as X isn't working and neither is gpm (no copy/paste..) [02:53] dee aych sea pee sea dee [02:53] that's how suckas! [02:53] im going to name my daughter dhcpd [02:53] antiwire: er, yeah, but you can't pronounce it as a short, easily-remembered one- or two-syllable name (which is the trouble I'm having right now even) [02:53] oh, hm - I dunno. I was just saying the other night that xvidtune is handy for dumping modlines but not if you have no X at all. [02:53] lol [02:54] and if I have a son, i will call him Grep [02:54] know a girl who named her dog Grep [02:54] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [02:54] grrr-ep [02:54] he's a jack russell terrier, his barking kinda really does sound like "grep! grep!" [02:56] Grep: like Greg, but with a hint of dyslexia [02:57] ah, found a modeline calculator I can use, called "gtf" [02:57] (another impossible-to-remember name) [02:58] Going To Forget [02:58] doesn't it sound like something? [02:58] where can i change the vga comatible controller? [02:58] s/sound/stand/ [02:58] i want to use my onboard graphic card :/ [02:58] andarius: probably right :) [02:58] mehax: what you need to do is specify it in an xorg.conf file [02:58] assuming x is using one you dont want to use [02:59] nono i dont use X [02:59] ahhh, shiny new monitor now doing 1920x1080 [02:59] then in the bios would be a good place to start [02:59] you'd think I wouldn't have to hand-hack modelines, that's a standard res [02:59] andarius, humm [02:59] in lspci there also stands something [03:00] 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G96 [Geforce 9400 GT] (rev a1) [03:00] lspci tells what hardware you have. I am gathering at this point you want to change the default for the console? [03:00] yep youre right [03:00] so my old monitor was apparently dying (going black-screen at random times for 2-5 seconds, and the word "Analog" wouldn't disappear)... I buy a new one, come home, and use the old monitor for 5 hours, during which time it works perfectly [03:01] did it *know* I was about to replace it, was on its best behaviour? [03:01] becuz when im installing slack everythin works in my opinion but i just get a black screen [03:01] i dunno why :( [03:01] if the install goes fine but you get a blank screen on bootup then the framebuffer is choking [03:02] add "vga=normal" to the kernel name at boot [03:02] lilo works, i see the bootup.. [03:02] or just edit lilo to use it [03:02] im using vga=normal [03:02] then vga=normal is your fix [03:02] you sure? that is not the default [03:03] yep i am sure [03:03] i see the bootup with the 2 tux on the top [03:03] what do you mean by you see the bootup? at what point does it go blank? [03:03] after booting [03:03] it goes black [03:03] that is extremely non-descriptive [03:04] what runlevel do you boot to? [03:04] mom i try booting [03:05] ok i see lilo now and boot [03:05] ehm [03:05] that was fast :D [03:06] /dev/sda2(i expect): mounted [03:06] then still a line [03:06] then it goes black [03:07] changin the vga port doesnt help at all [03:08] so umm, what runlevel are you booting to? have you changed it from 3 to 4? [03:08] can i boot "slowly"? :D [03:08] thats so fast [03:09] phe (1000@AToulouse-258-1-30-241.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:09] Action: andarius goes back to his beer... [03:10] cheers :) [03:10] thanks anyways ^-^ [03:11] "bootup with 2 tux on top" means you are not using "vga=normal" [03:11] the penguins only appear if you're using framebuffer [03:12] well in lilo.conf stands vga=normal [03:12] did you run lilo after editing lilo.conf? [03:12] eh yes? [03:12] *shrug*, it's an easy thing to forget [03:12] well i installed it and choosed standart [03:13] anyway, you did something wrong in there, if you wanted vga=normal but you see 2 penguins on the framebuffer [03:13] then i took a look to /etc/lilo.conf [03:13] there stands vga=normal [03:13] can i boot with vga=normal if i press [03:13] and then [03:13] sure [03:13] boot: vga=normal? [03:13] need the kernel name in front of it [03:14] that means?:S [03:14] probably just "linux vga=normal" (slackware default is to use "linux", doubt you'd have changed it) [03:14] but its not the name which i choosed for lilo? [03:15] it's the name that's showing in the menu [03:15] oh it is [03:15] ok nor its vga=normal ure right [03:15] but still the same problem [03:15] shows up as Linux (but you don't have to type the capital L) [03:15] hm. That's weird. [03:16] yep [03:16] I skipped saying, with the penguins showing the fb is being used, but is working fine [03:16] sounds like it is booting to rl4 and X is choking [03:16] i dont use X [03:16] i only installed the A part [03:17] ohh god [03:17] ... [03:17] if you are unfamiliar with Slackware so a full install, then come back [03:17] s/so/do/ [03:17] :) [03:17] Action: andarius salutes fire|bird :) [03:17] fire|bird, :D [03:18] andarius, how goes? [03:18] slightly left, but forward. you? [03:18] andarius, doing well, thanks. It won't belong before I wander off to get some sleep. [03:19] same here I think [03:29] gezley (~gezley@86-42-210-43-dynamic.b-ras1.cld.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Quit: gezley [03:34] archcezar (1000@ddz55.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [03:35] well [03:35] a full system install doesnt help at all [03:35] archceza1 (1000@dhq72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:42] i go off [03:42] until later maybe [03:42] bai thanx anyways [03:42] mehax (~mehax@dslb-094-216-233-155.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [03:47] arenics (1000@unaffiliated/arenics) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:50] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Timeout ( 0 Seconds ) [03:50] _marc` (~marc@cl-3044.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:02] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [04:02] hey guys [04:02] well I finally got KSM radeon going :) [04:03] one thing I'd like to fix if I can, just for about 2 secs the console boots into 640x480 then goes into FB and in lilo I added to the end of append= quiet but not doing anything [04:04] append="radeon.modeset=1 quiet" [04:04] this is kicking my ass [04:04] trying to build pidgin but i am missing something [04:04] i want/need aim [04:04] quiet should just kill bootsplash. [04:04] and i cant find out which module needs aim [04:04] Um, sorry, enable. [04:05] Assuming it is supported. [04:05] I don't know that Slackware supports it by default. [04:05] KaMii, error message? [04:05] Pastebin it [04:05] no error message [04:05] im just trying to find out which modues i should not disable during config [04:05] Check config switches. There should be no dependencies on outside stuff. [04:06] ya but i cant figure out which one is required for aim [04:06] is it avahi? [04:06] i know Avahi is for bonjour, but i dont see anywhere that aim needs it [04:06] bootsplash well thought it might do the same for the console text at boot until the FB kicked in [04:07] it cant be gtkspel, voice&video, gstreamer, meanwhile, nm [04:07] i have all those plus avahi turned off [04:07] but it says protocol aim will not be build [04:07] why? [04:08] Xgates, it won't. [04:08] KaMii, not sure [04:09] bleeding|edge (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:09] KaMii: how are you building pidgin, are you using the build script? [04:09] ok [04:10] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.137.38) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:10] actually I forgot lilo.conf has an append= line at the top, instead of using append= at the bottom in your bootup sections I wonder with it being at the top of lilo will make it get loaded quiker [04:10] quicker, I guess I'll try and see [04:11] no script, im doing it from sourse because im using slackintosh [04:11] so i dont think SBo will work for me [04:11] dont know never tried to do a slackbuild with slackintosh [04:11] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.201.92) joined ##slackware. [04:12] i didn't think the power pc arch for slackware was being maintained anymore [04:12] and pidgin 2.4.? ships with slackintosh and that version, msn is busted [04:12] its not [04:12] thats why im trying to compile it myself [04:13] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Timeout ( 0 Seconds ) [04:13] its possible a lib needed for the newer aim version is missing in the old ppc version [04:13] http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Installing%20Pidgin#IhavethesourcehowdoIbuildthisthing this is all i can offer sadly [04:13] maybe look through the INSTALL file in the gz and see if something is missing [04:13] or if there is a configure option [04:13] gniks (sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left ##slackware. [04:14] ya, i did, but it never mentions aim [04:14] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [04:14] sometimes reading the output of the configure script will give you hints as well [04:14] depending on how verbose it is [04:14] only for modules it is [04:14] and aim is not a module [04:14] so... thats the big question [04:15] unless they are calling aim by a different name [04:16] try using the slackbuild script [04:16] OSCAR [04:16] ah found it i think [04:16] and remove anything that is there that sets the CFLAGS [04:16] Is the official protocol name. [04:17] ./configure --disable-plugins --with-static-prpls=aim,icq,yahoo,msn,irc [04:18] ah [04:18] or i could do --with-dynamic-prpls=whatever.ones.i.want [04:18] but whats the difference between static and dynamic? [04:19] static builds them into itself, dynamic uses the linker to link the libraries on the system [04:19] One is compiled into the binary, the other is so files that are only loaded if the protocol is used. [04:19] which is better? [04:19] dynamic uses less resources [04:19] Both [04:19] haha, ok [04:20] Static is faster at the expense of memory usage. [04:20] and since your not gonna be moving around different machines, with different lib versions, id say use dynamic [04:20] Dynamic often has lower memory usage at the expense of a tiny bit of speed. [04:20] ya, dynamic sounds like my way to go [04:20] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [04:20] hey guys [04:21] hi xgates [04:21] is it ok to just re-run the ./configure command over the top? [04:21] yeah [04:21] i didnt do make yet [04:21] say with radeon kms do you think there's anyway to kill the first few seconds of 640x480 text and get it right into the KMS FB from the very start [04:21] yeah, and if you ran make, make clean would take care of that [04:21] ok, thats what i thought, thanks a lot [04:22] I got it going quicker barely 2 seconds of 640x480, I wish just I could get it right to the Boot logo and FB text as soon as the kernel boots [04:23] _marc` (~marc@cl-3044.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:24] _marc` (~marc@cl-3044.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:25] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:28] _marc` (~marc@cl-3044.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:29] _marc` (~marc@cl-3044.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:29] mkay, it said its going to do it... so we shall see if it sticks to its word... making [04:29] Nick change: BiCHiTo -> Sauron|Out [04:30] phale [04:30] aim: no such file or directory [04:30] huh? [04:31] did they remove aim from pidgin? because on the website it says its in there [04:32] _marc` (~marc@cl-3044.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:33] they must have combined aim with something else? [04:33] what did they combine it with? there is no aim diretory in the source tree [04:34] /pidgin-2.7.1/libpurple/protocols/ [04:35] only ones listed in three are: irc, mxit, null, sametime, simple, bonjour, jabber, myspace, oscar, silc, yahoo, gg, msn, novell, qq, silc10, zephyr [04:39] $ egrep lib*aim /var/log/packages/pidgin-2.7.0-x86_64-1 [04:39] usr/lib64/purple-2/libaim.la [04:39] usr/lib64/purple-2/libaim.so [04:40] slacky2 (~slacky2@81-226-63-190-no179.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [04:41] thats for 64 [04:42] rworkman@t30:~$ egrep lib*aim /var/log/packages/pidgin-2.7.0-i486-1 [04:42] usr/lib/purple-2/libaim.la [04:42] usr/lib/purple-2/libaim.so [04:42] but thats already build, where is it in the source? [04:42] jstoudt (~jstoudt@pool-71-175-238-162.phlapa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:42] i cant find it anywhere [04:42] oscar [04:42] Oh, I dunno. Do a "find $srcdir -type f -name "*libaim*" [04:42] oscar? [04:43] why did they call it oscar? [04:43] Maybe it was grouchy [04:44] aim + icq = oscar [04:44] :S [04:44] will try, but i think it wont go... last time i compiled with oscar, aim was not there [04:44] jstoudt (~jstoudt@pool-71-175-238-162.phlapa.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:45] why don;t you use the Slackbuild from slackware and bump the version number by 1 ... since it is only a bug fix [04:45] it also makes you question why the wiki tells me to use the switch aim [04:45] when that is obviously wrong [04:45] wiki's can be out of date ;) [04:45] afraid to try a slackbuild on slackintosh [04:46] KaMii: try it [04:46] just remove the CFLAGS stuff [04:46] slack .... Slackbuild ... just fix the CPU spec stuff [04:47] worse that happens is you delete the package :p [04:47] actually when experimenting open the new package in midnight commander "mc" first and make sure it's sane. [04:48] tar tf [04:48] well also there isnt a slackbuild for pidgin since its an official slack pkg [04:48] errr .. try the source directory for slackware [04:49] re CFLAGS, probably better to put in an else block to define them as "-O2" (look at newer build scripts for an example) [04:49] Action: WildWizard slaps forehead [04:49] you do realize i still have yet to learn scripting.... [04:49] oh... [04:49] sounds like a good time to learn ;) [04:50] i can try to grab the one off slackintosh, then just change the version number [04:50] Indeed :) [04:50] then boom [04:50] http://slackintosh.workaround.ch/pub/slackintosh/12.1/source/xap/pidgin/pidgin.SlackBuild [04:50] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: rally 'round the family. Pocket full o'shells [04:51] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4419, sources date: 20100519, built on: 2010-06-04 01:07:21 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [04:51] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: I have taken in enough data, now to delete! [04:52] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:54] "oscar" stands for Open System for CommunicAtion in Realtime [04:59] j0z (unix@201.47.13.156.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:59] j0z (unix@201.47.13.156.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [04:59] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [04:59] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:01] I forgot is it good to use this? ---> CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE: [05:02] is "-Os" safe and does anything for performance? [05:04] obviously, it does nothing for performance. [05:04] ok so just for size [05:05] I...think that's what it says, yes [05:06] I wonder if compiling it against -0s the kernel has been known to know perform as well as with -02 [05:06] know to know/not.... [05:06] errrr my typing [05:06] known to not... [05:06] well this is imposible, i cannot edit the slackbuild because therere is no backslack key and i need that [05:07] HuH? [05:07] you know, the backslack key [05:07] i need \ [05:07] Mine is broken too. [05:07] and on my macintosh, there isnt one [05:08] \ [05:08] \ [05:08] and i cant get one [05:08] So copy and paste it. [05:08] i cant even get cp paste to work [05:08] no hotkeys work [05:08] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [05:08] So find a line with one in it, do "yy" and then "p" [05:08] mouse buttons dont work so well either.. no right click [05:08] There is *always* a way. :) [05:08] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) joined ##slackware. [05:08] ya.. i cand figure it out [05:08] do you have a delete key? [05:09] no [05:09] just a backspace [05:09] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Client Quit [05:09] nonsense [05:09] use vi [05:09] and use dd to delete the line ;) [05:09] still need the \ key [05:09] no matter what editor i use [05:09] oh you want this \ [05:09] thought you made a typo before [05:10] bash slash ;) [05:10] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-1-103.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:10] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [05:10] use your keyboard mouse [05:10] KaMii: unicode 005C [05:10] kbmouse is great when you don't have a mouse ;/ [05:11] ha, emacs does it [05:11] ok, i need to figure out how to disable the trackpad from being a butotn [05:11] button [05:11] its overly annoying [05:11] synaptic pad? [05:12] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:13] hey in 13.1 should be still using these kernel options? [05:13] [*] Deprecated /proc/acpi files [05:13] [*] Deprecated power /proc/acpi directories [05:14] probably what it is mako-sama i just never had linux on a laptop with a pad before [05:14] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:14] so im not sure what to do [05:14] mithenks (~eymerich@95.238.131.13) joined ##slackware. [05:15] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:16] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-67-196.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:16] KaMii: do 'synclient -l' [05:16] hi all [05:17] there must be a better way to test it.. maybe you can read /var/log/Xorg.0.log [05:17] hi mithenks [05:18] synclient command not found [05:18] o_o [05:18] xf86-input-synaptics-1.2.2 is what provides it [05:18] yes i ran it as root [05:20] mutouch [05:20] looks like the one used in slackintosh [05:20] /c/c [05:20] bah [05:21] MReimer (~chatzilla@p4FD4B8DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [05:22] well, pidgin is finally building, but im not holding my breath [05:22] Xgates: we had that discussion approximately three hours ago after mentioned it then [05:22] Xgates: i.e. scroll up [05:31] phe (1000@AToulouse-258-1-30-241.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:32] rworkman: I've come and gone a few times, the last, I haven't been here 3 hrs to see what you said before... [05:33] Leave it there then :) [05:33] I'm not repeating all of it [05:33] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-67-196.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [05:34] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-99-24.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:34] slacky2 (~slacky2@81-226-63-190-no179.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [05:35] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:38] well if it's deprecated and not needed then I'd rather remove it SORRY I wasn't here 3 hrs ago :) [05:39] Xgates: okay, and if something stops working, have fun rebuilding your kernel. We left it enabled in the stock kernel for a reason. [05:39] Xgates: you were here then [05:39] now that sounds better I'll leave it thanks [05:40] trhodes: well maybe for a few but I've been back and forth closing my client so I don't have any logs [05:40] ah ok [05:40] *cough* public logs *cough* [05:46] MReimer (~chatzilla@p4FD4B8DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [SeaMonkey 2.0.5/20100624182103] [05:48] hehe [05:49] Yandertal (~Yandertal@unaffiliated/yandertal) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:49] yes! it works got pidgin working [05:50] good to hear, KaMii [05:51] couldnt a done it without you guys [05:52] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.24.124) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:53] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.29.22) joined ##slackware. [05:54] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [05:57] Yandertal (znc@unaffiliated/yandertal) joined ##slackware. [06:00] now... try to build conky [06:02] /me likes conly [06:02] conky.... [06:04] Could have been typoed worse. [06:05] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:06] lol [06:06] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-67-196.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:07] miltux (~miltux@62.1.232.229.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:09] speaking of conky I got this script someone gave me so you can start multi versions but line #5 isn't right: [06:09] http://pastebin.com/X7LWzHF1 [06:09] if pidof --- what the heck, what change that to> [06:10] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host213-122-218-128.range213-122.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [06:11] if I am to upgrade a slackintosh 12.1 to 13.1 , installing linux from scratch with the right glibc and gcc to match 13.1 would be the right way bootstrap it right ? [06:14] I do not know if I fully understand you rachael [06:17] alienBOB: slackingtosh is at 12.1 I wanted to compile all the packages to make it a 13.1 , I would need the right glibc version and gcc for it, I have build linux from scratch with those and then started to compile the packages but I am haveing some torubles figuring out the right order for it [06:17] troubles even [06:18] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) joined ##slackware. [06:19] started with getting xz, tar, adn the pkg tools compile and installed so I could use the slackbuild scripts in each packges, and then moved to the autoconf,automake from d/ [06:19] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:22] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:24] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Timeout ( 0 Seconds ) [06:25] Tsooi (~scruffy@ti0125a380-0156.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [06:26] rachael: if you are going to build slackintosh 13.1 let me know, and put the files up on a server :D (NO KDE) [06:27] rachael: if you are going to take that plunge, you do not necessarily have to use LFS [06:27] What kernel does that 12.1 run? A 2.6 kernel? [06:28] what does Warning: Implicit declarations of functions 'inotify_init1" mean? [06:29] alienBOB: slackintosh 12.1 is using 2.6.24.5 [06:29] Well, I guess yu will have to do a few rounds of compiling then [06:30] ya, its about 3 years behind [06:30] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-432376.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:32] First, compile a new kernel (the one in Slackware 13.1). Then compile a new glibc using those kernel's headers. Then compile a new binutils. Then compile a new gcc. Then recompile the kernel (now that a new glibc/gcc are present). Then recompile glibc once more. Chances are, you then have a proper base for the rest of the Slackintosh upgrade [06:32] rachael: ^^^^ [06:32] That is how I started slackware64 [06:32] hope you have a faster computer than i do [06:33] I did all that on an Athlon64 3200+ with 2GB of RAM... (still use that box for all my compiles) [06:33] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:33] thats about the same box i have alienBOB [06:34] the attic box :P [06:34] Indeed :-) [06:34] plays WoW just fine, so i is happy [06:34] yikes [06:34] Right now it is idling and waiting for the release of vlc-1.1.1 [06:36] how can i tell if a make error is the result of my bad scripting ability or something else? [06:37] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:37] Destructo (~MM@64.134.71.212) joined ##slackware. [06:38] ha im back [06:39] grimx (~grimx@174-17-164-29.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [06:39] Destructo: finally on Slackware? Or on yet another other distro? [06:40] yeah,, [06:40] i've installed Slackware 13.1 and luv'n it so far [06:40] another distro .. imtrying them al out.. my hp has 9.1 [06:40] really [06:41] KaMii: I guess it depends on the type of errors. [06:42] Warning: Implicit declarations of functions 'inotify_init1" [06:43] That is a warning... not an error [06:43] i got banned yesterday . it was really weird. i said wheres the beef? then i asked if anyone remembered that slogan .. then boom banned. weird [06:43] oh, haha, the error is IN_NONBLOCK undeclared [06:44] Destructo: banned, in this channel? [06:44] the whole server [06:44] Was it the "no spam allowed" message from idoru perhaps? [06:44] something like that [06:45] I think that's just a bad joke, no idea who configured that. No one in ##slackware, though [06:45] i can do it again if you want. maybe i triggered some words [06:45] on irCQnet you get kicked from saying 'hot girl' [06:45] Destructo: did you say that in another channel ? [06:45] nope just this channel [06:45] Destructo: i saw that happen to kslen the other day, and it was in two channels at once [06:45] Destructo: anyways, i laughed :) [06:46] as soon as i came into this channel, i said wheres the ... . my next line was.. does anyone remember that.. then .. bam! banned [06:50] Well you already said it less than 10 minutes ago, and were not banned then [06:50] according to the slackintosh changelog, they're up to 2.6.33.3 ... looks like they've stalled a bit...last update was june 18th [06:51] bangx (~dskj@78.138.171.130) joined ##slackware. [06:51] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [06:51] my alpha project is similarly dormant at the moment :-/ [06:53] Looking at http://workaround.ch/pub/slackintosh/current/ChangeLog.txt , there is indeed a lot of work going on to bring Slackintosh back in line with Slackware [06:53] alienBOB may be it was because it was the first thing i said.. anyways it was weird [06:53] Yes, weird [06:54] alienBOB: Warning: Implicit declarations of functions 'inotify_init1" [06:54] Jul 17 13:20:09 wheres the beef!! ? [06:54] Jul 17 13:20:27 anyone remember that ..? [06:54] Jul 17 13:20:28 <-- Destructo has quit (Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on [06:54] Channel flood from alienBOB -- kicking [06:54] freenode.))) [06:54] alienBOB kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [06:54] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [06:54] wow [06:54] yeah yeah [06:55] Aaanyway.... that was the trigger which killed Destructo. 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[07:01] grimx (~grimx@174-17-164-29.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:01] daily cleanup [07:02] grimx (~grimx@174-17-164-29.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [07:02] tawfiq (~tawfiq@41.140.83.97) joined ##slackware. [07:02] rachael: I guess that if you grab slackintosh-current, you will be almost where you want to be. It has all of the a/ series up to scratch, and the proper glibc and gcc already, and the kernel is almost right [07:05] nope that error is not my script, got it trying to make without the SBo [07:07] alienBOB great upgrade! :) [07:07] oh... i need kernel headers [07:12] pupit: referring to KDE 4.4.5 ? [07:12] alienBOB: yes [07:12] I hope you like it [07:13] umm, arent kernel headers in the k package? [07:13] They are in D [07:13] i have all of D installed [07:13] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430770.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:13] grimx (~grimx@174-17-164-29.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:13] so why am i getting an error that reflects kernel headers [07:13] :S [07:14] alienBOB: im sure i will like it, now going through kde.org to see the new stuff they put in the 4.4.5 + mirroring it now with your script :) [07:15] miltux (~miltux@62.1.232.229.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Quit: exit(0); [07:16] neonflux (~neonflux@69.198.135.242) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:18] im going to try it again [07:18] leave [07:19] Destructo (MM@64.134.71.212) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:19] trying a different version [07:20] Destructo (~MM@64.134.71.212) joined ##slackware. [07:20] wheres the beef? [07:20] does anyone remember that? [07:20] Destructo (~MM@64.134.71.212) left irc: Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) [07:20] Action: phrag rubs his hands at -current [07:20] someone is obsessed with that beef issue [07:21] conky 1.6.1 compiled, but 1.8.0 phaled [07:21] he's probably pining for some 'some [07:23] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:25] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:25] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [07:29] 1.8 has additional deps [07:33] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [07:35] kde 4.4.5 nice =) [07:39] Nick change: Sauron|Out -> BiCHiTo [07:39] BiCHiTo: turn off auto away pls [07:39] sorry phe [07:39] sorry phrag [07:40] BiCHiTo: thanks =) [07:40] :) [07:45] fxer (~fxer@c80-216-211-114.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [07:45] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-67-196.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [07:45] pupit (p@unaffiliated/pupit) left ##slackware. [07:45] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [07:46] mithenks (~eymerich@95.238.131.13) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:48] grimx (~grimx@174-17-164-29.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [07:48] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.29) joined ##slackware. [07:49] motaro (~ricardori@190.166.112.215) joined ##slackware. [07:49] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:50] alienBOB: nice work on kde 3.4.5 =) [07:50] every time i goto type sumthing in Eclipse, it closes. using Slackware 13.1 32 Bit, Eclipse HELIOS [07:51] rachael: how did you disable the trackpad from emulating a mouse button in slackintosh? [07:51] I don't use kde myself, but for everyone that does, that's freakin awsome. The attic must have been warm. :) [07:53] here is the beginning of the file hs_err_pid19938.log: # A fatal error has been detected by the Java Runtime Environment: [07:53] # [07:53] # SIGSEGV (0xb) at pc=0xa873f517, pid=19938, tid=3076314816 [07:53] Channel flood from grimx -- kicking [07:53] # [07:53] # JRE version: 6.0_20-b02 [07:53] grimx kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [07:54] and alienBOB, I wish pat would put out a 64bit version t-shirt. :) [07:55] Tsooi (~scruffy@ti0125a380-0156.bb.online.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:59] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [08:05] rachael: You got a Slackintosh, how is it? [08:07] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:09] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.29) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:09] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-240.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [08:12] joannis (~joannis@bband-dyn155.178-40-214.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. 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[08:30] you can't be sure what time it is when theres more then 1 watcha round [08:30] and when the sun never really goes down [08:30] y3llow (~y3llow@111-240-211-151.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:30] in Sweden, you cannot really measure time by the sun [08:31] why not [08:31] y3llow (~y3llow@111-240-211-151.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [08:31] becuase if you do, this day has been about 3 months long [08:31] right... [08:31] linus72 (~linus72@pool-72-86-51-141.clppva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:31] do you know where Sweden is? [08:31] mornin guys [08:31] i live there [08:31] lol [08:31] jaha [08:32] are the kernel headers installed also when you compile a kernel and do modules_install? [08:32] i have a niece and nephew who go to school there [08:32] i dont think you can compile a kernel without headers installed......... [08:34] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.23) joined ##slackware. [08:35] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:36] oh sorry, no I meant when I say compile kernel 2.6.34 with kernel headers 2.6.33.4 installed, after compiling does the kernel replace the old headers? [08:38] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:39] linus72: don't touch the kernel headers if you only recompile the kernel [08:39] you should only change them if you change glibc [08:40] well, see I'm gonna be using meerkat's 2.6.35-r5 kernel in my nfluxos slackware version and have headers 2.6.33.4 installed, is that bad? [08:42] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [08:43] algol (~algol@121.0.29.227) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:43] no [08:44] yes, if you are going to recompile the kernel yourself [08:45] /var/log/packages/kernel-headers-2.6.33.4-x86-1 [08:45] sorry, adrien explain the logic behind what you are saying. [08:45] Linux jarjar 2.6.35-rc4+ #21 [08:46] the kernel works and everything, I was ust wonderin if I should install meerkats kernel headers or if its OK to just keep slack's?/ [08:46] installed glibc must have been compiled against the current set of kernel headers [08:46] but meerkats glibc is probably diff huh [08:47] ok thx [08:47] if you update kernel headers, glibc must be (re)compiled against the new ones [08:47] and who's meerkat? [08:47] but theres really no need to do that right?? [08:47] maverick meerkat [08:47] ubuntu kernel source 2.6.35 [08:47] errr [08:48] ubuntu? what are you talking about? [08:48] just because as livecd it needs hdwr detect, wirelless etc [08:48] I make livecds [08:48] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:48] slackware, arch, etc [08:49] what are you mentionning ubuntu here? I can only give advice about what slackware does, I definitely don't try to understand what ubuntu's doing to the kernels along with the dependency hell [08:50] stormtracknole (stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [08:50] my question was if having a higher kernel than your headers was a problem, I take it that it isn't [08:50] no, it's not a problem [08:50] ubuntu people might think it's one and make something that's annoying about that though [08:51] I tried to update the kernel on an ubuntu box once, I tried, I gave up [08:52] see adrien I make a slackware current live for x86 and x86_64 http://multidistro.com/downloads/newdownloads.html [08:52] and so I was just curious as many tell me to get as current of a kernel as possible for livecd to detect wireless, netbooks, etc [08:54] I developped a reflex: whenever I see "ubuntu" (and actually "debian" or "fedora" and a bunch of others), my brain switches off and I don't try to understand what has been done on these distributions because I never understand anyway, I completely gave up [08:55] lol [08:55] the debian/ubuntu ones are hell [08:55] dpkg issues, etc all the time [08:55] I love slackware cause it's so simple [08:56] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [08:59] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:59] adrien: makes an interesting point. So you are saying GLIBC is dependent on the kernel header files. Not the other way around. [09:00] My understanding was that the kernel needed GLIBC in order to compile. [09:00] actually I remember something about that when I was compiling stuff in sourcemage [09:00] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:00] SkyTV (~noneya@dsl092-165-068.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [09:00] SkyTV (~noneya@dsl092-165-068.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Changing host [09:00] SkyTV (~noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) joined ##slackware. [09:01] The last update I made of slackware current, a prerequesite was to install glibc berfore anything else. 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[09:46] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [09:47] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [09:51] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [09:52] stephenpl (~Adium@64.241.37.140) joined ##slackware. [09:57] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:02] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-151-207.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:04] anybody read this: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/22/linus_torvalds_linux_bloated_huge/ [10:04] lol [10:04] kernel performance is slowing down 2% on every release [10:04] stephenpl (~Adium@64.241.37.140) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [10:05] yeah. [10:06] one less reason to go bleeding edge. [10:07] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:07] Interesting behavior of the developing model, now because is trying to encompass so much is getting so fat, that it needs to cut on the fast food. [10:09] new kernel release quite more often nowadays. [10:15] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF88B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:17] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [10:21] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:21] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [10:22] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:25] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.52.40.static.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [10:27] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:30] Well, if you re-compile your own doesn't that solve that problem? [10:38] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:40] edthix (~ed@175.137.185.232) joined ##slackware. [10:42] solve what problem? it's not about the additional drivers you can omit, it's about added code in the core functionality [10:42] padhu (~Padhu@175.40.19.3) joined ##slackware. [10:42] xovan (~chatzilla@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:45] Should have Linux community decided not to use proprietary code in anyway, would Linux have gone so far as it gone today? [10:46] ananke: for example? [10:48] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-167-183.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:49] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [10:49] It is my consideration that most users of Linux use it, because they consider it a better design as a System than the other choices. Or is it because we have the power to hack every single thing working in our OS? [10:49] both [10:50] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [10:50] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Client Quit [10:50] gezley (~gezley@86-42-210-43-dynamic.b-ras1.cld.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [10:51] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.23) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:54] stunix (1000@85.19.141.139) joined ##slackware. [10:55] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.99) joined ##slackware. [10:58] I've been using Linux since 2000, until this day Linux has not provided me a single dollar for all the time I've spent studying, but simple delight of using a system that is transparent it's users. [11:00] brainvision (~brainvisi@host64-78-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:02] motaro: honestly, I believe Linux is easier to use than other OS's in most cases, besides it has a nice community and you can meet new people :D [11:05] do you meet old people in other communities? [11:06] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.17) joined ##slackware. [11:08] Sometimes although most are very young now a days. [11:08] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:09] I wonder what constitutes "old" :P [11:10] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [11:10] Hi folks. [11:10] How do you find out how many GB is 976229856 blocks? [11:11] you could do the maths? [11:11] context? What is the block size? [11:12] you'll need to know the size of one block first, of course. [11:12] Dunno and dunno. [11:12] That's what I wanna know, how to tell? [11:12] guess we dunno to help you. [11:12] You don't know the context? [11:13] "Context" means "where did you see this '976229856 blocks' message?" [11:13] rafu: ? [11:13] fdisk [11:13] aah the joy of playing 20 questions ... [11:13] :| [11:13] heya,folks [11:13] Brilliant! Then the answer is surely in "man fdisk". [11:13] Sorry then. [11:13] BP{k}: it's a boring game. [11:14] StevenR: no kidding. :) [11:14] See also cfdisk(8), much easier to work with. [11:14] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:14] cfdisk can change units displayed on the fly. [11:15] Okay thanks. [11:19] motaro (~ricardori@190.166.112.215) left irc: Quit: motaro [11:20] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:22] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [11:23] bangx (~dskj@78.138.171.130) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:26] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.52.40.static.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:27] neonflux (~neonflux@69.198.135.242) joined ##slackware. [11:28] xovan (~chatzilla@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.4/20100622203045] [11:30] hitest (~chatzilla@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [11:33] mpa_ (~mpa@cpc1-live12-0-0-cust178.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:36] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-198.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [11:43] Haters gonna hate. [11:43] :| [11:44] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [11:45] kthxbai [11:45] same reaction here I guess ;-) [11:45] reckon so [11:46] then there's the ones that you draw them pictures, and they eat the pages. [11:47] without ketchup?!? brutal? sorry...might have been from Pearl Before Swine [11:48] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host213-122-218-128.range213-122.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:48] lol [11:48] I toast them and put some butter :-) [11:49] adrien: but you know darn well you french will eat anything. :P [11:50] only as long as it's with butter ;-) [11:50] time to get some bread + butter btw ;-) [11:54] rSlacke (~cris@187.112.223.82) joined ##slackware. [11:56] slck-o (~cris@189.26.13.11.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:59] rSlacke (~cris@187.112.223.82) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:00] |Slacker| (~cris@187.112.223.82) joined ##slackware. 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[12:08] what would be worse...if he tries it again and the other knapsack contains bottles of water [12:08] that's sooooooooooooooooo sad, could you imagine if that was all you had left [12:11] being stupid enough to mountain-climb with a golf club, they might as well have not taken any bottle of water... [12:13] usus12jari (~ashe@125.166.163.186) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:15] usus12jari (~ashe@125.166.186.201) joined ##slackware. [12:15] zero7 (~crazy@78.101.33.101) joined ##slackware. [12:16] Nick change: Roin -> supper|Roin [12:16] Entulho (~foo@187.5.172.44) joined ##slackware. [12:17] y3llow (~y3llow@111-240-211-151.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:20] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. [12:22] hitest (~chatzilla@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [SeaMonkey 2.0.5/20100624141736] [12:30] adrien. [12:30] jeev. [12:30] taopunk_m (~taopunk@166.137.15.36) joined ##slackware. [12:30] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:31] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-70-112-188-139.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:31] pyllyukko (~pyllyukko@maimed.org) joined ##slackware. [12:31] jeev: oh, you mean a friend of you shoot that video while *you* were swinging the golf club, [12:31] ? [12:31] adrien, no. i'm not stupid enough to climb mountains [12:34] jeev: you underestimate yourself ;p [12:34] tuxdev (~tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:35] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:37] taopunk_m (~taopunk@166.137.15.36) left irc: Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi [12:38] adrien, i dont underestimate anything, not even the power of my fart. [12:38] taopunk_m (~taopunk@166.137.15.36) joined ##slackware. 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[12:59] i know symlink though dmesg is saying my cdrom is /dev/hda [13:00] which doesn't work [13:01] i think mknod is the command you should be researching [13:04] EvanR (~evan@ip70-180-53-21.br.br.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:04] the point is when i mount it using my file manager it mounts to /media it shows as being /dev/hda.. [13:05] I set mplayer to read from /dev/hda and it still says that it can not read it [13:05] y3llow (~y3llow@111-240-210-150.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [13:06] maybe you are looking for the "ln" command to make a sym link [13:06] motaro (~ricardori@190.166.112.215) joined ##slackware. [13:06] ln -s /dev/hda /dev/dvd [13:07] /facepalm [13:07] or maybe it is the dvd protection, is it an original dvd or backup? [13:07] sarkoman (~sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) joined ##slackware. [13:07] original [13:07] maybe that is the problem [13:08] you need some library (decss ?) or a mplayer that is compiled with the decryption built in [13:08] did you build mplayer from a slackbuild script? [13:09] the default one that comes with slackware [13:09] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [13:09] Nick change: Yandertal -> _Lucifer_away [13:09] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:09] _Lucifer_away kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [13:10] you will most likely have to build your own copy of mplayer [13:10] stinky: Do you have dvdread and dvdnav installed? [13:11] 4.0K /var/log/packages/dvd+rw-tools-7.1-i486-1 4.0K /var/log/packages/libdvdread-4.1.3-i486-1 [13:12] GGPiGG (~bort@pool-71-174-183-100.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:12] i see libdvdnav in sbopkg though I do not have it installed. [13:12] Nick change: supper|Roin -> Roin [13:12] stinky: check out alienbob's vlc build http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/vlc/build/ for some missing libs [13:14] i am going to compile libdvdnav and libdvdcss and see if it works. [13:14] stinky: good luck [13:14] thanks [13:14] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:14] it may be something i have taken out of the kernel, though I don't know [13:14] the strange thing is that I can play the menu part of the dvd fine.. the .vob though the other .vob's say seek fail [13:15] and this is 2 different dvds i've tested [13:15] The dvd is actually ide and mounts as /dev/hda [13:16] some dvds are strange that way...encryption keys and all that [13:16] yes [13:16] i know, i had to install libdvdcss once to play a dvd on a friend's Ubuntu machine once. [13:18] does the dvd actually need to be mounted before attempting to play it in mplayer? [13:18] i dont think so [13:19] xine: No input plugin was found. [13:19] Maybe the file does not exist or cannot be accessed, or there is an error in the URL. [13:20] read error from: /dev/hda [13:21] y3llow (~y3llow@111-240-210-150.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:23] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.99) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:24] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb71e.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:24] figured it out! [13:25] brw-rw---- 1 root disk 3, 0 Jul 17 00:33 /dev/hda [13:25] before [13:25] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:25] brw-rw-rw- 1 root disk 3, 0 Jul 17 00:33 /dev/hda works. so chmod o+wr works [13:26] artv61tstgood (~joe@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:26] i guess it should be solved with groups then [13:26] artv61tstgood (~joe@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. 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[13:37] you probably installed a package you shouldnt have [13:37] padhu (~Padhu@175.40.19.3) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:37] KaMii: libraries do not care about $PATH [13:38] or missed the correct dependency [13:38] maybe a version issue [13:38] xNiGHt360: run 'ldconfig && ldconfig -p | grep liblua' [13:38] and what for? I guess it was a precompiled package... where is it from? [13:38] xNiGHt360: this would be the moment where you tell us the details of your problem [13:39] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:39] the package was from lua site [13:39] i thought libraries either had to be in your path or linked [13:39] libs don't care about $PATH [13:39] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:39] KaMii: that makes no sense. 'linked' libraries? [13:40] oh ok, learning something everyday [13:40] i bet messed them up [13:40] Let xNiGHt360 explain first what package he installed that is complaining about lua. [13:40] xNiGHt360: what are you trying to run? [13:40] toribash [13:40] All the rest is just speculation [13:40] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-198.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:40] some kind of game i think [13:40] You think... [13:40] ye it is a game [13:41] installed from where? where was the package from? [13:41] lua.org [13:42] the game, from where? [13:42] the game is from toribash.com [13:43] what game is that, is that hunt the wumpus? [13:43] toribash.com has a Slackware package? doubtful [13:43] whats up [13:43] ragdoll fighting [13:43] sahko: well, they have on, and even have a 64bit one [13:44] i installed the game from the slack pkg [13:44] er.. [13:44] what? [13:44] slackpkg ties to official repos [13:44] sounds kind of dumb lol [13:44] unless you added an unsupported repo to it [13:44] imo [13:44] i mean [13:44] lol [13:44] Dominian: no, he meant, the slackware package ;-) [13:45] yes [13:45] adrien: again.. slackpkg itself looks to the repos setup in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [13:45] unless you can install packages directly with slackpkg now..and if so.. I'm out of the loop and need to read! [13:45] that's why i used space between them [13:45] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [13:45] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/development/lua/ should fix it, you should also mail toribash.com to tell them they require lua to be installed (and link them to that link) [13:45] Dominian: http://linux.toribash.com/download/i386/toribash-3.50-i386.tgz <- slackware package ;-) [13:46] adrien: great [13:46] If that is a Slackware package then for sure they are not following proper package naming conventions [13:46] indeed, I hadn't noticed [13:46] Action: adrien is still waiting for his new eyes to ship [13:47] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] i believe from now on i should start using slackbuilds.org >_< [13:48] knut1 (~knut@ANancy-157-1-10-175.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:50] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:51] Nick change: knut1 -> KnutBluetooth [13:51] Cann0n (~jack@dialup-4.91.102.33.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [13:51] yeah, thats a safe choice [13:52] mehax (~mehax@dslb-094-216-233-155.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:53] Yandertal (znc@unaffiliated/yandertal) joined ##slackware. [13:54] and i have found my problem (facepalm) [13:54] O.o [13:54] Slacking_Man (~Slacking_@pm1dialin-22.danbbs.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:55] will it be problem if i just rename the file i have liblua.so.5.1 [13:55] what are you trying to do? [13:55] what was the problem? [13:55] what file are you renaming? [13:56] a shared lib [13:56] don't stop it. [13:56] just ln -s [13:56] oke [13:56] dont symlink [13:56] i don't advise renaming files in /lib [13:56] jgeboski (jgeboski@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. [13:57] I advise doing whatever makes you happy :P [13:57] I would symlink too [13:57] symlinks make me happy :) [13:57] ls -s liblua.so.5.1 liblua.so ? [13:57] ln not ls [13:58] yeah [13:58] shouldn't the second file be liblua5.1.so.0 ? [13:59] you know better [13:59] check the man pages :) [13:59] >_> [13:59] gezley (~gezley@86-42-210-43-dynamic.b-ras1.cld.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:00] ls: cannot access liblua.so.5.1: Too many levels of symbolic links ls: cannot access liblua.so: No such file or directory wtkf [14:00] if I *ONLY* want to *INSTALL* packages with installpkg and not do anything else on the machine (not create any folder or symlink), will tar > 1.13 work ok for pkgtools? [14:00] i like that. [14:00] it's so fucking annoying. [14:01] artv61tstgood (~joe@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:01] 'the linked path' [14:01] I'm writing a script that installs slackware with installpkg -root but requiring a specific version of tar is a problem [14:01] xNiGHt360: ok, first of all, pay close attention to what people are telling you. ls and ln and two different programs [14:02] oh sr [14:02] sarkoman (~sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) left irc: Quit: sarkoman [14:02] and ls -n and ln -s don't do the same thing :p [14:02] :D [14:02] ln is a linker right? [14:02] If you are going to be a linux user, you need to pay more attention to commands given too you [14:02] jgeboski (~jgeboski@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [14:02] That is how accidents happen. [14:03] yup [14:03] ln is not a linker: ld is [14:03] tell me about it i deleted ~/ when using rm -rf [14:03] jgeboski (jgeboski@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. [14:04] :O [14:04] well, ~ isn't that big of a deal. that's just your home directory. luckily you didn't rm -rf / [14:04] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-85-202.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:04] -r means rekursiv and -f forces [14:04] ye [14:04] Cann0n, rm -rf /* [14:04] :P [14:04] it's funny how people care about / more than ~/, yet restoring / is so much easier [14:04] mehax: don't paste that crap here [14:04] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [14:05] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-85-202.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [14:05] dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null [14:05] Action: Cann0n facepalms. don't run that command [14:05] lol [14:05] i just want to get him right .. [14:05] :D [14:05] :) :) :) [14:05] i thought this was #ubuntu ' [14:05] mehax: that's stupid and irresponsible [14:06] ananke: i'd rather loose neither. :) [14:06] ya sry [14:06] jgeboski (~jgeboski@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [14:06] well, I'll see if my thing works with tar > 1.13 [14:06] jnylin (~jnylin@c-4171e655.177-7-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:06] adrien: whats the issue with pkgtools and tar again? [14:07] stu (~stu@175.137.169.44) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:07] quoting tar.SlackBuild: This old version is the only one that won't clobber symlinks, e.g.: someone moves /opt to /usr/opt and makes a symlink. With newer versions of tar, installing any new package will remove the /opt symlink and plop down a new directory there. [14:08] :O i finnaly made it (facepalm) [14:08] but I found the wording not to be very clear [14:08] tnx for the help [14:08] oh i remembered it was inside the scripts in /sbin but i didnt find it [14:08] thought so but couldn't find it either ;-) [14:09] ElectRo` (ElectRo@hack.the.gibson.hackthapla.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:09] my idea is that since I'm only installing and won't change anything on the filesystem, it won't be a problem [14:09] Action: mehax goes smokin while installing slack :O [14:09] is there a switch to have tar use the old behaviour? [14:09] hopefully it works this time :( [14:09] Skywise: not that I know, I guess it'd be used too [14:09] KnutBluetooth (~knut@ANancy-157-1-10-175.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: à plus tard [14:10] mehax: what caused the vga problem? [14:10] EvanR (~evan@ip70-180-53-21.br.br.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:10] oritax (~oritax@a85-139-201-106.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:11] hi al [14:11] i just installed slackware. disk1 [14:11] how to see how much ram my system detect? [14:11] oritax: free -m [14:11] thanks [14:11] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A76F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [14:13] How can I create a Slackware bootable USB thumbdrive from Windows? [14:13] slax [14:13] oritax (~oritax@a85-139-201-106.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Client Quit [14:13] kleanchap, http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/welcome-windows-user/ [14:14] xNiGHt360 (d4192fbc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.25.47.188) left irc: Quit: Page closed [14:14] zero7 (~crazy@78.101.33.101) joined ##slackware. [14:14] Skywise: Thnx [14:14] brb. [14:15] yw [14:15] Action: kleanchap thinks my Internet connection is crawling because of don't know what....time to investigate. [14:15] brb [14:15] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A76F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.6/20100625231939] [14:16] GGPiGG (~bort@pool-71-174-183-100.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:17] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:17] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:18] ElectRo` (ElectRo@hack.the.gibson.hackthapla.net) joined ##slackware. [14:18] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-85-202.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:18] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [14:20] /w 27 [14:20] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:20] alienBOB: 4.4.5 doesnt need a kdm user does it? is that in 4.5? [14:21] s/user/group/ or whatever [14:21] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-167-183.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:21] brainvision (~brainvisi@host64-78-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3-dev [14:22] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.52.40.static.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:22] i really have a problem :( i think it has to do something with my graphic card.. slackware etc works in my opinion.. it boots up etc. then i just get a black screen, better: my monitor isnt getting a signal.. [14:22] kumo (1100@56.110.32.95.dsl-dynamic.vsi.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:23] etc? [14:23] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-1-103.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:23] sahk0: KDE 4.5 does not need a kdm user either (unless you tell kdm to use it) [14:23] slack works because: if i press numblock on, the light goes on.. yea :P when i change to tty1 with strg+alt+f2 the light turns off.. going back to tty0 the light goes on [14:24] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-167-183.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:24] eh, try hitting alt+f7 [14:24] alienBOB: ah ok. thanks [14:24] thats to jump back into X, assuming you are using X [14:24] no [14:24] i first tried to install without X [14:24] kumo (1100@56.110.32.95.dsl-dynamic.vsi.ru) left irc: Client Quit [14:24] why? [14:25] if i make a full install i dont get a signal at all [14:25] so i first try to get a console first [14:25] you know what i mean? [14:26] sukaeto (~sukaeto@host75-54.student.udel.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:27] Slacking_Man (Slacking_@pm1dialin-22.danbbs.dk) left ##slackware. [14:28] hitest (~chatzilla@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [14:28] im using nVidia 9400gt by the way [14:28] sukaeto (~sukaeto@host75-54.student.udel.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:28] have you tried configuring X properly? [14:29] i didnt install X [14:32] mehax: in lilo.conf...what did you have vga set to...vga = normal ? [14:32] yup [14:32] to be sure i already tried it wuth [14:32] with [14:32] boot: slax vga=normal [14:33] mehax: what's the make of your monitor? [14:33] ? [14:33] busted [14:36] godane (~arch@c-75-68-6-221.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:37] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@c-71-63-94-34.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:37] slax isnt the same as Slackware [14:38] slax are pants, right? [14:38] no idea, sounds like a cool name for pants though [14:39] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.17) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [14:39] :D well i just like that name, thats it [14:39] hmmm...slax or dockers....can't decide..;) [14:39] i btw still have a onboard graphic chip but how can i activate it? [14:39] in bios right? [14:39] typically [14:39] mehax: should be an option [14:43] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:43] :OOO [14:43] yup it works <333 [14:45] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:45] mehax: cool [14:45] boah [14:45] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [14:45] fightin since yesterday morning cuz of this shitty graphic chip :D [14:47] Action: mehax is happy ^-^ [14:49] pizdets (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:50] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:51] shonudo (user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [14:51] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb71e.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:52] which tiling window managers are you using here? [14:52] i use dwm [14:53] never tried it [14:53] what are u using thenß [14:53] xfce [14:53] i should really switch to a utf term [14:54] i'm tired of catching those squares [14:56] Cann0n (~jack@dialup-4.91.102.33.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:58] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [15:00] neonflux (~neonflux@69.198.135.242) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:03] kleanchap (~scotty@p5B11A76F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [15:03] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [15:09] haldir (~haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:09] mehax (~mehax@dslb-094-216-233-155.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:10] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [15:10] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [15:10] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [15:13] if this continues we will have to ban you from the channel indefinitely. Maybe in a few weeks we can refer people over, but we're still getting established. [15:13] 15:07 -MemoServ(MemoServ@services.)- Read 1 memos. [15:13] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF88B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [15:13] gotta love #slackhappy [15:14] Re: " why don't you go to #slackware where much more advanced help can be found." <-- if this continues we will have to ban you from the channel indefinitely. Maybe in a few weeks we can refer people over, but we're still getting established. [15:17] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb71e.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:17] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:17] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. 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[15:26] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:26] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=2013 [15:28] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [15:28] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [15:28] phrag: how did it go with the parents? did theey accept you to their family? :p [15:29] "I have nipples phrag, can you milk me?" [15:29] lmao [15:29] lol,antiwire...'bout to burst?...=P [15:30] meet the parents classic line [15:31] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:35] what disk is icewm on? [15:36] none [15:36] :o [15:36] but IceWM is on Slackbuilds.org [15:36] Action: Roin wishes to have IceWM in the full install as well [15:37] Nick change: Sauron|Out -> BiCHiTo [15:38] there it is. i was about to use the slackbuild when i thought 'oh, its on the cd' [15:38] then couldnt find it [15:39] I'm still waiting for 1.3.7 >:D [15:39] what disk is gtk+ on [15:39] arenics (1000@unaffiliated/arenics) joined ##slackware. [15:39] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@c-71-63-94-34.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:40] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430770.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:42] oo icewm slackbuild fails against Xinerama installed from disk2 [15:42] do a full install [15:42] alright [15:42] pkgtool ? [15:43] anytool [15:44] so what do you mean by full install, reboot into the setup program ? [15:44] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:44] install all the packages that come with Slackwaree [15:44] i installed every package in x and most in xap [15:45] and all of l/ ? [15:45] taopunk_m (~taopunk@166.137.15.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:45] yes [15:45] Xinerama is there, its just failing a config symbol test [15:45] wharncliffe (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [15:46] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb71e.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:46] checking for XineramaQueryScreens in -lXinerama... no [15:46] configure: error: Xinerama can not be found [15:46] i did ldconfig [15:48] what Slackware version? [15:50] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:50] greetings and salutations [15:51] 13.1 [15:51] how-dee-doo and good afternoon, andarius [15:51] salutations MLanden [15:52] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:53] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb71e.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:53] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:53] felicitations andarius [15:53] salutations NyteOwl [15:54] nvision (~nvision@e179134220.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:54] guess ill try to disable xinerama, i wont be using that anyway [15:56] taopunk_m (~taopunk@166.137.15.36) joined ##slackware. [15:57] gawd... never a more horrid sight than seeing a c++ program compile (with warnings) [15:57] IceWM always compiled fine for me [15:57] and worked even better :-) [15:57] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:58] kleanchap (~scotty@p5B11A76F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:58] telemarketer (~westburia@adsl-99-53-137-114.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:00] it fails to compile for me [16:00] undefined reference to uuid stuff in libSM [16:00] ill look into it [16:00] taopunk_m (~taopunk@166.137.15.36) left irc: Client Quit [16:00] anyone uses emacs ? [16:01] EvanR: you could try the latest development release [16:01] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt7-port-144.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:01] doing that now [16:02] I use 1.3.6 on my homebox [16:02] i just downloaded 1.3.7pre2 [16:02] same problem with xinerama... disabling... [16:03] EvanR: I don't want emacs to run with gui when I'm running X, do you know what do I've to for get it ? [16:03] arenics: emacs -nw [16:03] it has a man page you know.. [16:04] a lot let warnings [16:04] less* [16:04] emacs-23.2-no-x11 <-- that also starts emacs in a terminal [16:05] sahko: can I set it on .emacs file to don't type -nw anymore ? [16:05] alias emacs="emacs -nw" [16:05] sahko: what about .emacs file ? [16:05] in some config file, eg. .bashrc [16:06] i dont know, dont use emacs [16:06] thank you [16:07] gezley (~gezley@86-42-210-43-dynamic.b-ras1.cld.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [16:09] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. 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[16:36] hello, I'm having some problems with the rec command which uses alsa to record, it records very well while i am not using X, while i do it doesnt record anything at all, any ideas? any musician? [16:37] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-167-183.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:39] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:39] arch_enthusiast (~arch_enth@unaffiliated/arch-enthusiast/x-8276453) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:41] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:45] can anyone recommend a guide to choosing a fairly new video card for a linux system? I'm planning on building a whole new rig soon, but i have no idea what the current state of things is like (i have an ooold geforece 6200 AGP card at the moment) [16:48] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:06] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: need to get hardware rendering back up [17:07] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-240.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:07] hackedhead: google.com best guide. [17:08] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [17:09] pupit: yeah, it's just a long process, i am working that angle though. [17:09] finally found this, which helps me understand the layout of the various mfgs/series in a relative fashion: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/graphics-card-geforce-radeon,2646-7.html [17:09] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:10] the gtx 260 is looking like a good buy. provided drivers exist. are ati linux drivers still crap? [17:11] hackedhead: how much money you want to spend on card? [17:11] Action: byteframe just had to reboot becasue the nvidia driver did that thing where it puts it's finger up X's butt. [17:11] pupit: $250 max, prefer ~$200 [17:11] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-70-112-188-139.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:12] byteframe: really? what card? (i've never had an issue, but i have old hardware (6200)) [17:12] hackedhead: ok, give 100$ to the poor and a buy a card, cause the new card will be crap after few months [17:12] hackedhead, well, I was kicking ass in wine games, and it's hot, but when I stress my system thusly, it kinda gets locked up, and everything runs slow/ [17:12] and the poor will be thankful and God is watching... ;) [17:13] upgrade te cooling :) [17:13] Seems somewhat more of a general issue related to resourcesm, but could be bug. I'm gonna go prowl nvnews.net. [17:13] Action: pupit guide for buying cards. [17:13] pupit: this is why i'm not dripping $800 a latest gen card (nevermind lack of linux drivers) [17:13] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:13] ~$200 seems like a stable pricepoint [17:13] $100 doesn't get me much more than I already have [17:13] so its not worth the upgrade [17:14] also, this is going to be part of a whole new rig, so i want to have at least some staying power. [17:14] byteframe: what card do you have [17:14] ? [17:14] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [17:15] 8800 GTS 320 [17:15] on 256.35 driver. [17:15] mmk [17:15] my brother has an 8800, but winxp. [17:16] seems like a solid card though [17:20] down1nut (~mike@c-76-122-153-255.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:23] merciful (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:23] cpunches... why are you harassing people in this channel when you ban good folk in your own channel and tell them this: <@bagira> I didn't tell you to stop helping, I told you to stop telling people to go to other channels in the future. [17:23] Tsooi (~scruffy@ti0125a380-0156.bb.online.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:23] well, it was one of the early G80 models, so it runs hot. I had to warrenty it once already. [17:25] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [17:28] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Quit: reboot [17:28] Nick change: BiCHiTo -> Sauron|Out [17:29] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [17:31] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [17:33] down1nut (~mike@c-76-122-153-255.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:37] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [17:37] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. 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[17:45] taopunk_m (~taopunk@166.137.15.36) left irc: Client Quit [17:46] ##slackware: mode change '+b *|out!*@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [17:46] Sauron|Out kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Please turn off away nicks. [17:46] hi all.. i`m trying to get my wireless card up, i`m using slack13 and broadcom, could anyone help me ? [17:47] I think there's an issue in the kernel ... [17:50] hm.. i found many tutorials explaining how set up the card.. but typing modprobe ieee.. the command do not take any effect [17:51] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [17:51] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [17:52] my new updated stats @ http://phra.gs:8000/ [17:52] i put new colors [17:54] well that's a downward trend to #13 for me ;) [17:54] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt7-port-144.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [17:55] where would export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 best go? [17:55] seems like i remember a place for lang settings [17:55] Cann0n, /etc/profile.d/lang.sh [17:55] but for the life of me, i couldn't seem to find it [17:55] ah [17:55] indeed [17:55] thanks. [17:56] no problemo [17:56] i was just gonna put in in .bashrc but remember stubling on a file somewhere that was meant for stuff in that department [18:00] Entulho (~foo@187.5.172.44) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:00] Entulho (~foo@201-67-161-5.fnsce703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:00] what's the command to add a loop device in /dev/? [18:00] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [18:02] it's really frustrating: I just can't remember the name >< [18:02] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-85-202.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [18:02] arch_enthusiast (~arch_enth@unaffiliated/arch-enthusiast/x-8276453) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:02] what are you trying to do exactly? [18:03] ah, losetup :P [18:04] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430770.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:05] :p [18:10] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [18:10] nachox (~Ignacio@9-99-235-201.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [18:16] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:18] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.233.214) joined ##slackware. [18:18] hello, I'm having some problems with the rec command which uses alsa to record, it records very well while i am not using X, while i do it doesnt record anything at all, any ideas? any musician? [18:18] tomaw (tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) left irc: Quit: Quitting [18:19] Isis___: I don't know much about recording, but maybe there is something else occupying your soundcard [18:19] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt7-port-11.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:20] mako-sama, yeah, the X is taking the souncard for itself and doesnt allow to record using rec while it is running [18:20] mako-sama, im using KDE, to be specific... [18:20] Isis___: it's not X really.. maybe KDE [18:21] tomaw (tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) joined ##slackware. [18:21] mako-sama, how could i reconfigure it? any ideas? [18:21] ive tried searching google, with no results [18:21] no idea really. I thought the new KDE played nicely with alsa [18:22] I thought KDE used arts or whatever its called [18:22] did you try checking alsamixer (or KDE's mixer) while you're running KDE? [18:22] fatalnix: not anymore. [18:22] ic. [18:22] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.52.40.static.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:23] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [18:24] yeah, alsamixer is configurated as i left it, with capture on, and mic unmutted, i can even hear the mic thought the headphones, but when i open konsole and use rec, it records nothing [18:24] arch_enthusiast (~arch_enth@unaffiliated/arch-enthusiast/x-8276453) joined ##slackware. [18:24] btw, i have no arts anymore, only esd [18:25] arts used to come with KDE, it's not the case anymore... ESD... people still use that? [18:25] yeah its old [18:25] unless you enlightenment [18:26] s/you/you use/ [18:26] i also tried setting all the kde sounds in the multimedia with esd, but it still takes the soundcard [18:26] i dont use enlightment [18:27] why esd then? [18:28] just to check it would free the soundcard device in order to use rec, but it doesnt [18:28] hello [18:29] hello janemba [18:29] I have a problem with my keyboard layout. Each time I start X (startx) my layout keyboard change. I don't know where it come from, do you have an idea ? [18:30] hello Isis___ [18:30] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:31] Nick change: tuvok302Lappy -> tuvok302 [18:31] tomaw (tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [18:31] janemba, did u set up the xconfig by yourself? and...what graphic environment r u using? [18:31] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:31] janemba: which version of slackware do you use? [18:31] Yes I set it by myself...or nvidia driver set ip automatically and I use sawfish [18:32] mako-sama: the last 13.1 [18:32] 13.1.0 [18:32] your nvidia driver should have modified the graphics only, and left the other conf as it was [18:33] hitest (~chatzilla@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [SeaMonkey 2.0.5/20100624141736] [18:33] Isis___: ok, I set the keyboard part of xconfig [18:33] numb3r (1000@189.121.39.25) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:33] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:33] tomaw (tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) joined ##slackware. [18:34] slackware from 13 and up uses HAL to set up keyboard layouts [18:34] janemba, yeah u should check it from there and whatever gui your running shoulnt modify those settings [18:34] Isis___: ok [18:34] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:34] mako-sama: hal ? so is it on the kernel ? [18:34] janemba: read CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT on the DVD [18:34] no [18:34] no.. HAL runs in userspace [18:35] hal is a deamon [18:35] oups :) [18:35] Nick change: bunnyboi -> jennifur [18:35] but in case it takes part in the configuration, it would take place in the console [18:36] but when u start the x, u tell x what to do from its config file [18:36] KDE asks whether to rewite it when u modify it [18:37] hmm [18:37] I use LSD to set my key settings [18:37] omfg. kde not lsd [18:37] gg iPhone autocomplete [18:38] antiwire: they're meant to be operated on lsd. [18:38] lol [18:39] taopunk_m (~taopunk@166.137.15.36) joined ##slackware. [18:40] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [18:44] down1nut (~mike@c-76-122-153-255.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:47] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. 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[18:53] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.41.127) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:53] ouch. just installed slackware again. this time things are working. but damn, these anti aliased true type fonts look horrible [18:53] in xfce [18:53] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.201.92) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:54] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.41.127) joined ##slackware. [18:54] settings -> appearence -> fonts should help (btw, they are off by default) [18:55] i fiddled with that to get it to its current state [18:55] it could look a lot worse [18:55] |Slacker| (~cris@187.112.223.82) joined ##slackware. [18:55] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.225.66) joined ##slackware. [18:55] vertical strokes in capital letters are not totally on a pixel [18:56] so bad [18:56] the terminal is basically unusable unless i put it on a bitmap font [18:56] Yandertal (znc@unaffiliated/yandertal) joined ##slackware. [18:56] maybe i just havent seen this technology in a long time, i mainly use icewm [18:58] am0rphis (~qwe@79.124.188.29) joined ##slackware. [18:59] comparatively speaking the latin, japanese, chinese, indic, korean, hewbrew, arabic, and cyrillic look pretty good in the google chrome [18:59] at normal text size [18:59] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:00] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:06] artv61tstgood (~joe@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [19:08] down1nut (~mike@c-76-122-153-255.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:09] whats the point in being able to see them if you can't read them? [19:09] hmm [19:09] I change 10-keymap.fdi from hal and nothing change...:( [19:10] and I don't think that sawfish modify the keyboard layout [19:10] janemba: did you edit it in /etc/hal/fdi/policy or in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10-osvendor? [19:10] Cann0n: its like that by default if you are worried [19:11] slackware full install [19:11] but you can put forth some effort to hide non latin characters, just remove the relevant fonts from /usr/share/fonts [19:11] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [19:12] Roin: copied /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10-osvendor/10-keymap.fdi to /etc/hal/fdi/policy and I modified it [19:12] *I* [19:12] janemba: ok, then after a reboot it should change [19:12] Roin: I reboot it and nothing change :( [19:12] you modified the one in /etc right? [19:13] yes [19:13] hmm...could it be the nvidia drivers ? [19:13] no [19:13] :) [19:13] I'm using the nvidia drivers on my desktop box and it works fine [19:13] hmm [19:13] TClayton (~tony@unaffiliated/tclayton) joined ##slackware. [19:13] de [19:14] This line needs to be edited janemba [19:14] yes this is what I change [19:14] To what did you change it? maybe what you wrote doesnt exist? [19:15] grep input.xkb.layout /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi fr [19:15] usus12jari (~ashe@125.166.186.201) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [19:16] EvanR (~evan@ip70-180-53-21.br.br.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:18] usus12jari (~ashe@125.166.189.207) joined ##slackware. [19:18] should work hm... [19:19] :( [19:19] EvanR (~evan@ip70-180-53-21.br.br.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] janemba: does "setxkbmap fr" work? [19:19] nvision (~nvision@e179134220.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:20] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-167-183.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:20] lol. glxgears running synchronized. framerate should be approximately equal to monitor refresh rate. i.e. 2500fps [19:20] Roin: yes it works [19:21] hm... thats strange ^^' [19:21] yes very strange I'm figting with this for one week [19:22] that's my keyboard section in xorg.conf : http://pastebin.com/W9qtf1wH [19:22] You have a keyboard section in xorg.conf? [19:22] yep [19:22] did you add this after it didnt work with hal or before? [19:23] no InputDevice :) [19:23] before [19:23] I can test removing it [19:23] yeah please do so [19:23] :) [19:24] It should or better must work then :D [19:24] Besides the video section for nvidia drivers no xorg.conf is needed anymore [19:25] And if you use for example intel video cards you dont need an xorg.conf at all, only if you want to make any specific changes ._. [19:26] i remember the days of having to know xorg.conf black magic to get the simplest monitor+card to work [19:26] and it wasnt called xorg.conf back then [19:26] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:26] Roin: arff...removing InputDevice section doesn't work anymore :( [19:27] janemba: huh? [19:27] did you even reboot? [19:27] I just kill X [19:27] uhm [19:27] crunchpotato (~cold@180.186.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:27] weird... [19:27] Dont know if thats enough, I think you would also need to restart hal for that? [19:28] ok I try :) [19:28] hmm [19:28] just one question [19:28] I would try to reboot now, even though some people here would probably hit me for saying that :p [19:28] shoot [19:28] you said that xorg is not needed anymore ? [19:29] EvanR (~evan@ip70-180-53-21.br.br.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:29] janemba: nvidia needs it [19:29] erf [19:29] janemba: the properitair nvidia drivers need one, but without any input section [19:29] ok I reboot [19:30] YOu use nvidia-xconfig and nvidia-settings then [19:30] yep [19:30] that will automaticly create a suitable xorg.conf file, no additional editing needed in most cases [19:30] ok good luck o/ [19:30] EvanR (~evan@ip70-180-53-21.br.br.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:31] huch [19:31] sorry [19:32] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-167-183.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:32] john_dee (~id@78-106-242-22.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [19:34] yeaaaaaaaaaah it works :=) [19:34] Roin: thx ;) [19:34] janemba: you're welcome :D [19:34] wharncliffe (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:35] ;) [19:36] since 13.0 HAL can do lots of magic to make life easier... in most situations :D [19:37] oh yeah ;) [19:40] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [19:41] tawfiq (~tawfiq@41.250.231.103) joined ##slackware. [19:42] Isis___ (~isis@186.18.225.130) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:43] ridout (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [19:44] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) joined ##slackware. [19:47] (##slackware) Channel ban on *|out!*@* expired. 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[20:12] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:12] EvanR: nah, i'm not worried. [20:12] shonudo (user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [20:18] Zaythan (~zaythan@ip68-1-71-150.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:23] Does slackware come with latex? [20:24] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:25] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:27] replay: uhm I think so [20:28] replay: section t for tetex [20:28] yeah the whole tetex suite [20:29] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:29] Because I'm trying to install thunar-thumbnailers from SBo and during config I get "configure: error: Install tetex before enabling latex thumbnailing" [20:29] I think I need texlive [20:29] but it says tetex [20:30] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [20:30] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:31] SBo texlive says "Note that this package is intended to completely replace (and then some) the tetex packages in Slackware, so you'll need to remove tetex and tetex-doc before installing TeXLive." [20:31] replay: did you login to root using 'su -' before running the slackbuild? [20:31] i used sbopkg as root [20:31] so yea [20:33] But if it does need texlive why doesn't it say that as dependencies [20:33] thunar-thumbnailers builds fine here with sbopkg [20:34] and w/out texlive [20:34] so my computer just hates me? [20:34] |Slacker| (~cris@187.112.223.82) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:34] no you probably don't have tetex in your PATH [20:35] alphageek (rooot@69-165-139-158.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:35] replay: try again using su - not su [20:35] you need to login to root as su - [20:35] what sahko said [20:36] neonflux said it first :) [20:36] but it was ignored :) [20:38] replay: do you need that feature with thunar-thumbnailer? [20:39] "need"? [20:39] it works now [20:39] ok [20:40] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF88B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya o/ [20:40] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. 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[21:06] welcome [21:07] gracias [21:07] help recovery lilo [21:08] slackware 13.1 [21:08] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:09] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:09] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [21:09] i dont know whether there is a spanish slackware channel [21:10] this is an english only channel, if you can understand then we might be able to help [21:10] but you'd have to describe what problem you're having [21:10] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [21:11] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:12] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-198.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:13] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:13] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. 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[22:08] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [22:12] hey i am ultra new to slackware i just downloaded 13.1 a weekor so ago... i did a newbie install and have gone through the book where can i learn more?? [22:13] zaltekk (~zaltekk@kennethbrown.me) joined ##slackware. [22:14] http://www.slackware.com/book/ [22:14] thats the book i am talking about :) [22:15] yes [22:15] goj (~goj@p5488EA6B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] Zaythan: Have you been through slackbuild on the packages you want to install? [22:17] nope what is slackbuild [22:18] Might do better if you ask a specific question. Is there something you want to accomplish, but you have had trouble with? [22:18] http://slackbuild.com/ scripts for building packages with howtos and faq [22:18] The book is a bit old, but probably still the best intro available. [22:20] nope not really although ive not tried to do much i like cowputers and loved all the info i got on diff packages during the newb install was just lookin for more [22:20] rob0, yea same of it was old but it was still by far one of the best intro books i have had on any os [22:21] nachox (~Ignacio@9-99-235-201.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:22] Zaythan: alienbob's wiki is another good source for info http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:slackware [22:24] kk [22:25] sweet.. thanx guys [22:27] np...good luck [22:28] replay (replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [22:29] Entulho (~foo@201-67-161-5.fnsce703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [22:36] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.233.214) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:39] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-36.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:39] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.233.214) joined ##slackware. [22:40] am0rphis (~qwe@79.124.188.29) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:47] dcauter (dcauter@unaffiliated/dcauter) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:48] harry_dong (~id@78-106-242-22.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [22:48] hello all [22:48] heya shonudo [22:49] hey MLanden... trying to figure out how/why suspend gets corrupted [22:49] not sure how to trace the problem (i.e., where to look, what to look for) [22:49] how are you suspending? [22:50] hey thrice` -- using klaptop atm [22:50] it's never given me trouble before [22:50] mm, I don't have that here; which version of kde? [22:50] 3.5 [22:51] (slackware 12) [22:51] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@189-041-165-178.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [22:51] shonudo: which kernel? [22:51] ok, that doesn't use pm-utils - no clue how to check [22:51] custom: 2.6.24.2 [22:52] thrice`, yeah, no kidding [22:52] that's the problem [22:52] anytime something gets automated, i get lost [22:52] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:53] shonudo: any tell-tell sign in syslog? [22:53] it's not a major problem, but i would like to understand how it works [22:53] let me check, MLanden [22:54] Nick change: harry_dong -> john_dee [22:56] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:56] okay, i see nothing for klaptop, or suspend, or power control... at the risk of sounding like an idiot, am i looking for a daemon or similar? [22:56] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:57] shonudo: asked in #kde ? [22:57] in my defense, i never learned how this works, i only learned how to setup klaptop [22:57] lol [22:57] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:57] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [22:57] sahko, i'm not interested in mastering klaptop as much as i'd like to know how power management is configured [22:58] you can specify that when asking, id say [22:58] shonudo: look in entry for kernel: ..can you recall 'bout what time it appened? [22:58] s/appened/happened [22:59] you know, it didn't suspend last night [22:59] i went back to klaptop, changed the time to suspend, changed it back, and now no problem [22:59] except it was a problem [22:59] and i don't get it [23:01] and klaptop just seems like a push-button gui that provides a nice gui way of doing "whatever it is that needs to be done to manage power on a laptop" << and it's that part i'd like to understand [23:01] shonudo: when you changed the time...maybe against bios's hardware time...any trouble with the cmos battery [23:01] MLanden! [23:02] that may be it! [23:02] my time was off [23:02] an hour slow, for whatever reason [23:02] and no, before anyone asks, i didn't dual-boot into windows [23:04] but on the rare occasions when the clock has been off in the past, it hasn't affected the suspend function [23:04] and it's a five-year-old laptop... the CMOS battery may be suspect (although i doubt it) [23:07] shonudo: hard to say...another factor could also be when it does go to suspend,does it write anything to ramdisk? [23:07] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:08] MLanden, thrice`, et al.: i've had a mem problem with this box before -- any possibility i still have a mem problem and that's causing a glitch in suspend? [23:09] shonudo: anything erratic with the memory? [23:09] yeah, at one point, very erratic [23:09] i had a bad stick (i thought)... found out i had a bad slot [23:10] so i opted for a single 1gb stick instead of 2x512 [23:10] and it 'seems' to be working well [23:10] again, this is an old box [23:10] ouch..been there [23:10] its limit is 1gb [23:12] and when i first installed the 2x512, it recognized the sticks, correct value, and it was running fine for a while [23:12] then it got weird [23:13] ecc or non-ecc? [23:13] wouldn't boot; presented something that seemed to indicate a bad HDD, etc [23:13] non [23:15] no, sorry, it's ecc, so it will support both [23:15] at least i think that's the way it works [23:16] memtest86 is good on catching bad sticks...especially the modulo 20 test [23:18] so that's an app/package i'll need to install, yes? [23:18] memtest86 is a boot-time selection - something you add to the lilo menu to boot into [23:18] more importantly, the relation between bad mem or a mem problem and problems with suspend seems like a valid diagnosis? [23:18] or one worth pursuing? [23:19] shonudo: live cd...I use the version with UBCD since it also has DBAN [23:19] never hurts to validate your ram if they're suspect [23:19] true...couldn't hurt [23:19] yeah, makes sense -- it's not like i haven't had a problem with it [23:19] btw, thanks alisonken1home [23:19] MLanden, i'll tray the live CD approach [23:20] that makes sense [23:20] do a diagnostic and confirm or eliminate the ram as the source of the problem [23:20] try* [23:20] shonudo: the model you have,is it easy to change the cmos battery? [23:21] not hard or easy... typical laptop [23:21] ahh..ic [23:21] if you mean is there a battery cover like on the bottom of an old 35mm camera, no [23:21] :) [23:22] and besides, i don't have a nickle [23:22] and credit cards don't work as well [23:22] nickel* [23:23] setting aside the possible hardware issue, where is "suspend" or power management in general written to? [23:23] rhys (~Rhys@mad0736d0.tmodns.net) joined ##slackware. [23:24] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [23:24] Nick change: rhys -> Guest66103 [23:24] i would guess /etc/rc.d/xxx... but it seems i've guessed wrong [23:25] Guest66103 (Rhys@mad0736d0.tmodns.net) left ##slackware. [23:25] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:27] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [23:27] shonudo: it's an acpi call....so I would guess /sys/power/state http://www.advogato.org/article/913.html [23:28] yeah, i was reading rc.acpid [23:28] (boring read) [23:28] figuring it would be that or in there [23:29] MLanden, thanks... that's a useful link [23:29] shonudo: np [23:30] why do people consider slackware "non-newbie" [23:31] ask them [23:32] hahahaha i may :) [23:32] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-222-237-217.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:33] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [23:33] it doesn't have guis glued to every surface. goo is easy. you just throw yourself into it and slide around until you hit a wall. [23:34] okay, this is sort of what i wanted to understand..."Via some abstraction (either acpid, gnome-power-manager or kpowersave or something), userspace makes that decision and initiates the suspend to RAM" [23:34] and according to this article/site, that happens either by calling a suspend script or turning the task over to HAL [23:41] shonudo: your user is added in plugdev group,right? [23:42] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [23:42] you mean for flashdrives, etc? yeah [23:43] i can access and rw as user, if it's that sort of media you're referring to [23:43] ok [23:44] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: no, I wont see you again, but I am likely to see your nick again :o [23:44] so i'm getting this cool little education on ACPI off of this site [23:44] nice [23:46] blaines (~blaines@wsip-70-184-116-77.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:47] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:51] Zaythan (~zaythan@ip68-1-71-150.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:51] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-222-237-217.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [23:51] lol...slow moment in ##slackware...that goo statement didn't get much add-ons from the room..;'P [23:52] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:53] terry (~terry@74.113.242.5) joined ##slackware. [23:53] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [23:54] I'm trying to switch to generic-smp kernel but can't seem to get it to boot, keeps saying "No kernel modules found" [23:54] Perhaps you didn't install the kernel modules package. [23:54] root partition is /dev/sda2 and /home is on /dev/sda3 [23:55] /var/log/packages/kernel-modules-smp-2.6.33.4_smp-i686-1 [23:55] installed [23:56] Latest try with mkinitrd was: mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.33.4 -m ext4 [23:56] Who tried nvidia's 256.35? [23:56] before that I tried: mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.33.4 -m ext4 -f ext4 -r /dev/sda2 [23:56] john_dee: using it, why? [23:57] sahko: Does slackbuild for 195 work for it? [23:57] I've yet to do updates, but wanted to get other kernels out of the way first. [23:57] So, what am I doing wrong? [23:57] i dont install it using a SlackBuild [23:58] sahko: Ah, ok. You on 64? [23:58] yeah [23:58] Zaythan (~zaythan@ip68-1-71-150.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:58] I have added lines to lilo.conf [23:58] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [23:59] The kernel version of generic and arch match the kernel modules? [23:59] image = /boot/vmlinuz-generic-smp-2.6.33.4-smp initrd = /boot/initrd.gz [23:59] sahko: Did you install compat32 stuff? Is it needed for anything? [23:59] initrd = /boot/initrd.gz [23:59] john_dee: no i always get the plain 64 one. i dont use multilib [23:59] terry: did you have lilo write in to the MBR? lilo -v [00:00] --- Mon Jul 19 2010