[00:00] mine say 1GB 2Rx16 PC2-6400S and the ones I put in say - 2GB 2Rx8 PC2-6400S [00:01] brb [00:01] let me reinstall the drivers [00:01] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [00:05] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:06] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [00:06] Nick change: el_lobo--d-_-b -> juangvp [00:07] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:07] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [00:09] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:13] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.182.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [00:14] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. 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[00:31] http://pastebin.com/ursF18FG [00:31] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:35] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.182.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:36] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:37] jgeboski (james@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. [00:37] rheault (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:41] taopunk_m (~taopunk@166.137.15.205) joined ##slackware. [00:41] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:42] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [00:45] Oh that's just GREAT Adobe has closed the project at the moment for x64 flash [00:46] Flash Player 10 for 64-bit Linux [00:46] http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html [00:46] old news from a week ago [00:46] oh well I'm old news then LOL [00:46] sheesh this sucks so can you run the 32bit FF in Slack 64 then? [00:46] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:47] you have to use the 32-bit firefox plugin adapter, but yes [00:47] plugin adapter? [00:47] they sell 'em at most home depots [00:47] X) [00:47] funny ha ha [00:47] nspluginwrapper [00:47] nspluginwrapper or something ? [00:48] I know you have to run 32bit flash on a 32 bit browser [00:48] sheesh ;p [00:48] for 64-bit flash, use nspluginwrapper to install 32-bit plugins [00:48] but I thought if your running x64 Slack you have to have a system that supports 32bit [00:48] speaking of FF, i bet we get ff 3.6.4 before the weekend is over [00:48] compat32 packages from alien [00:49] is that the one with vp8 mancha? [00:50] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:50] fhobia, nah, i think it's notclear they'll add vp8 t the 3.6.x tree [00:50] but it will have all the oopp code [00:50] well now that some ppl finally showed up to the party, anyone know how I can fix this? [00:50] error setting MTRR (base= 0xe0000000, size= 0x10000000, type= 1) Inappropriate ioctl for device (25) [00:50] mancha: oh, ok :/ [00:51] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:51] fhobia they seem to be channeling all their resources (human) towards 3.7.x [00:51] i c [00:51] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [00:51] stormtracknole (stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [00:52] er sorry, not 3.7.x; i meant 4x [00:52] 4.x [00:53] ah, ok [00:53] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:53] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [00:54] yeah, thats in line with what i remember... i think i also read that it'll be more resilient to plugin crashes, so i'm excited :P [00:54] which will? [00:54] 3.6.4? [00:54] something down the line [00:54] memory is fuzzy [00:55] one thing they're developing is infallible mem alloc [00:55] http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Firefox+crashes says 3.6.4 and above also load plugins separately [00:56] allowing Firefox to stay open if a plugin crashes [00:56] so it says [00:56] yes, that is the oopp code i mentioned earlier [00:56] ah, ok [01:00] _S4MUR4I_ (~S4MUR4I@187.40.61.52) joined ##slackware. [01:02] hmm so infallible mem alloc just makes code simpler...? [01:02] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:03] its like checking the return value of regular malloc and then exit if null ? [01:03] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [01:03] it ensure it will not return a null; so you don't have null ptr deref exploit possibilities [01:03] ensures* [01:04] dchmelik (~d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:04] oh, ok [01:04] you're right, you can always check for nulls but people don't: evidence is the 100s of patches that have come out to fix null ptrs :) [01:05] yeah [01:05] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:05] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:06] besides not getting exploited the user won't notice a difference right ? [01:09] say on samsung laptop ram anyone know what the 2Rx16 and 2Rx8 denote? [01:10] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-29-56.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[02:51] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.88.39) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:56] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:58] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-62-3.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:58] Gorodish (~flautar@cpe-66-8-175-100.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:00] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [03:00] Gorodish (~flautar@cpe-66-8-175-100.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [03:00] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:03] So, in Slackware64 13.0, when I installed the ATI proprietary drives and enabled desktop effects on KDE, things worked just fine. [03:04] Now, when I enable Desktop effects, compositing is disabled, and I can't enable it. Some application keeps turning it off. [03:04] Does anyone know what is going on? [03:04] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:04] with the ati binary? [03:04] alicephilippa, Well, with a package created from the ATI installer. [03:04] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [03:05] alisonken1home, ^^^ [03:05] actually, alisonken1noc :) but that works too [03:05] both are mine [03:05] Bah... [03:05] anyway - your xorg.conf has been updated? [03:05] Well, I did a clean install, no xorg.conf, but I did run aticonfig which generates an xorg.conf file. [03:06] do you have the ati control panel running? [03:06] you may have to also blacklist the radeon driver [03:07] j0z (unix@201.47.11.151.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:07] j0z (unix@201.47.11.151.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [03:07] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [03:07] The ATI control panel runs just fine. [03:07] arcfide, "lspci" and see if the kernel mode radeon driver is installed [03:08] What am I looking for? [03:08] I see my graphics adapter in there. [03:09] I have 3-d acceleration. [03:09] something like "01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV380 [Radeon X600]" [03:09] Yes, I have that in there. [03:09] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3650 [03:09] if it's a kernel-mode driver, need to make sure that the built-in linux driver is not loaded and stopping the ati kernel driver from installing [03:10] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:10] If the built-in Xorg driver were running why would I even have 3-d acceleration? [03:11] The ATI driver installed just fine. [03:11] I would say since the kernel-mode driver is installed, it's taking over direct hardware access which is killing the functionality of the ati binary [03:11] I have fglrx and agpgart running according to lsmod. [03:12] I've never heard of or encountered this kernel mode driver. What is this thing? [03:12] I'm not familiar with it. [03:12] pilipo (~pilipo@203.177.147.86) joined ##slackware. [03:12] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [03:13] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:13] "grep radeon /etc/modprobe.d/*" and see if radeonfb is blacklisted [03:14] if it is, you'll see "blacklist.conf:blacklist radeonfb" [03:14] Is that a kernel module? [03:14] yes [03:14] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:14] It's not running... [03:14] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [03:14] And it is also not black listed. [03:15] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.88.39) joined ##slackware. [03:15] If the linux kernel module were blocking me from using the ATI kernel module, then I shouldn't get any acceleration, right? [03:15] you may get some acceleration, but not be able to use the full effects [03:15] like desktop cube [03:16] You're saying that glxinfo will still say yes to Direct Rendering and I will be able to run a fast glxgears, but nothing else? [03:16] a possibility [03:17] I'm using the radeon driver, not the ati binary, and I can see glxgears, but no desktop effects like desktop cube [03:18] the difference is glxgears will also fallback to the software acceleration rather than hardware acceleration, but desktop effects will only work with hardware acceleration [03:18] But does glxgears get accelerated? [03:18] I just tried again and I'm able to get full speed on QuantZ, which is a full OpenGL game. [03:18] alisonken1noc, What I mean is that I am almost 100% sure that Glxgears is getting hardware acceleration, as is my 3-D game which makes heavy use of OpenGL. [03:19] Everything appears to be working fine with acceleration except for KDE's compositing. [03:19] I believe opengl will also fallback to software acceleration, but some functions will not work without proper hardware acceleration [03:19] I didn't have to do anything before when I enabled it. I just told it to go. Is there some error log place I can look for why it might be failing? [03:19] /var/log/xorg.0.log [03:19] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:20] alisonken1noc, There's no way software acceleration would be this fast. [03:20] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.72) joined ##slackware. [03:20] and ~/.xerrors [03:20] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-175.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:20] depends on what hardware you have and what software is running in the background as well [03:21] You're telling me that you have seen software acceleration run a full native FPS on a full-screen 3D openGL game that makes heavy use of textures and wireframes? [03:21] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) left irc: Quit: mosno [03:21] pilipo (~pilipo@203.177.147.86) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:21] I'm going through the warnings and errors in xorg.0.log agin. [03:21] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:22] nader (~nader@85.133.204.194) joined ##slackware. [03:22] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.33) joined ##slackware. [03:23] ok - i'm going to install the ati driver and see whats up [03:23] so I'll be gone for a few [03:23] back shortly [03:23] As a test, I'd recommend you download the Linux demo of QuantZ, as it's a fairly good test program. [03:24] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4419, sources date: 20100519, built on: 2010-06-04 01:07:21 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [03:24] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:24] I've also just gone through my Xorg.0.log file, and fglrx (the ATI driver) is loading without errors, and no serious warnings. The only warning I get is that it is falling back to an old prove method. All of the kernel modules load without failure. [03:24] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [03:24] There's not a radeonfb to be found, either. [03:25] <_slax0r_> hi [03:25] <_slax0r_> if I disable opensshs sftp subsystem, will it disable scp as well? [03:25] good morning folks! [03:25] morning mancha [03:25] no, slax0r [03:25] morning, mancha [03:25] <_slax0r_> how to disable scp then? [03:25] <_slax0r_> any specific port to block? [03:25] 22 [03:26] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [03:26] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:26] <_slax0r_> em...but I still want to be able to use ssh :p [03:26] scp isn't disable-able (eek) if you keep ssh running [03:26] <_slax0r_> darn :/ [03:27] you can change the perms on the server-side scp app if you want though [03:27] <_slax0r_> as in -x? [03:27] chmod 700 /usr/bin/scp or summits [03:29] slax0r this really isn't achieving much...though [03:30] _slax0r_, Why would you even try to disable scp and keep ssh around? [03:31] All someone has to do is run cat or the like on their terminal and they've got a version of scp. [03:31] yeah, cat or any other numerous tools [03:31] anything that'll pipe to stdout, say gzip [03:33] <_slax0r_> long story short, I've configured a serv for an ex-employer, and he wants to see the code of the app that I've uploaded(for which he hasn't payed yet), so now I want him to see the code, and not be able to download it from the server until he pays up [03:33] <_slax0r_> cat, gzip and any other means is a little bit too much for him, as far as I know him, but he's familiar with sftp and scp [03:34] ok, try what i said and make sure that makes scp not usable. [03:34] If scp is disabled, there is still rsync [03:35] but he said the dude only knows sftp and scp, not rsync over ssh or other methods over ssh [03:35] And if that is disabled, there is sshfs and with that on the client-side you can not even prevent copying of data [03:35] oneoneoneoneo (~oneoneone@108.125.246.238) joined ##slackware. [03:35] _slax0r_, If the dude wants to see the code before he has paid, you can show him a video demoing the functionality that he asked for. :-) [03:35] the best would be to make the code a pdf and leave out critical parts [03:36] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:36] also look for new business, i would hate to work with people i can't trust... [03:37] <_slax0r_> I'm not working for him anymore [03:37] <_slax0r_> half way into programing he desides not to pay anymore, so I decided to rm -rf the app from his servers [03:37] <_slax0r_> stupid f*ck never made copies...lucky me [03:38] so he tried to screw you once already? i'd say f*ck him. if he wants to see code, let him pay. [03:38] end of story... [03:38] Exactly. [03:38] He's already had the application on his systems. [03:39] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:39] So he knows what's there. Just get the money. [03:39] And make sure you go escrow if you run into this situation again. [03:39] <_slax0r_> you're prolly right :/ [03:39] <_slax0r_> escrow? [03:39] A trusted third-party that holds in reserve the money pending successful delivery. [03:40] The employer can't get the money back unless you don't deliver, and you can't get the money unless you do. [03:40] <_slax0r_> hmm [03:40] If the two of you get into it, the third-party arbitrates. [03:40] <_slax0r_> that's a neat idea [03:41] You set out with clear specifications and clear deliverables, then you deliver, and you get your money. [03:43] <_slax0r_> gotta lookup a local word for that :) [03:44] <_slax0r_> google translate sucks :/ [03:44] <_slax0r_> I input escrow and it prints out a word in local language equivalent in storage [03:44] what language? [03:44] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) joined ##slackware. [03:44] <_slax0r_> slovenia [03:44] <_slax0r_> n [03:45] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) left irc: Client Quit [03:45] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:46] try something closer to its francophone root: fiduciary account [03:47] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:48] what's zajamceni polog? [03:49] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:49] <_slax0r_> that's better :) [03:49] <_slax0r_> errr...guaranteed payment [03:49] <_slax0r_> more or less [03:50] google seems to think that's what your people call escrow :) [03:50] or at least people near your people! :> [03:50] <_slax0r_> fiduciary account sounds nicer...more pro :P [03:52] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:56] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [03:56] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:58] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [04:00] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:00] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [04:00] oneoneoneoneo (~oneoneone@108.125.246.238) left irc: Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) [04:01] arcfide, well. looks like the ati legacy driver I'm forced to install doesn't want to work on my system. [04:02] old Dell with p4 machine and radeon X600 card [04:02] <_slax0r_> I have a p4 with x600 [04:02] <_slax0r_> and it works fine [04:02] <_slax0r_> which version of the driver are you installing? [04:02] The open source radeon driver should be fine on that, no reason to screw around with fglrx... [04:03] you mean trying to install? :) [04:03] the d/l legacy ati drivers [04:03] <_slax0r_> yes but, the latest version doesn't cover x600 anymore [04:03] ati-driver-installer-9-3-x86.x86_64.run [04:03] it has a slackware package option - but whoever wrote the script was non-english and missed a bunch of things (like closing brackets) in the script [04:04] Aaah, it doesn't have the --buildpkg Slackware/All target? [04:04] Ah. [04:04] LSD`, except I don't get the nice eye-candy Desktop Cube with the radeon driver [04:04] The 10.6 or 10.5 version is much improved then compared to that. [04:04] Aidar-Nagato (admin@77.79.178.77.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left ##slackware. [04:04] arcfide, yes it does - but the slackware script is messed up [04:05] slackware packaging script [04:06] alisonken1noc: All that worked fine on both a 9800 Pro and a 4850 (before replacing the latter driver with fglrx to try solving another issue), no idea why it's not working right for you... [04:06] 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV380 [Radeon X600] [04:06] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV380 [Radeon X600 (PCIE)] [04:07] Does the Desktop Effects and compositing need xrandr? [04:07] xrandr2 I believe [04:08] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:08] Your card is in between the two (though closer to the 9800) I have, and everything pre-HD was moreorless working until fairly recently so it should work for you as well [04:08] Hrm, that might be it then. The fglrx drivers disable xrandr by default. [04:08] LJS (~frank@55.188.83-79.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [04:08] Hi everybody ! [04:08] Hi AlienBOB, I am back [04:09] Horus64 (~Horus64@c-71-237-48-154.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:10] well, I have dual screens that work (vga+hdmi), I have pidgin, thunderbird, firefox, xchat, and konsole so I'm ok at work [04:10] eye candy would be nice, but since I'm not a dev, this works for me [04:12] ATi aren't keeping the legacy fglrx updated from what I understand, so once xorg break it, that's it, it'll never get fixed [04:13] _RadioHead (~slack@82.114.94.248) joined ##slackware. [04:16] I had the boss get me an nvidia card, but it only lasted about 2 months in my office desktop [04:16] LSD`: that is exactly why I do not buy Ati hardware. [04:17] alienBOB: except it's not a big deal here because the open source drivers already more than pick up the slack [04:17] alienBOB: They've canned Windows support for the same car series as well, not to mention nVidia don't support their entire range with a single driver anymore, either (what are they up to now, 4?) [04:18] LSD`: open source driver for the older Ati cards still only does 2D... you have to have a RadeonHD to get something decent in X [04:20] shows you how old the machine is I got handed down :) dell early p4 system that requires the lahf fix [04:20] uhh, no. radeonhd is deprecated with all the work being turned into radeon, which has supported 3D on pre-HD chipsets for quite some time now. 3D support on the HD series is out there, but still a little too bleeding edge for widespread adoption [04:21] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [04:21] ilj (~ilj@91.198.175.126) joined ##slackware. [04:21] ilj (~ilj@91.198.175.126) left irc: Changing host [04:21] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [04:24] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [04:24] HAL is deprecated for being unmaintainable. Do you guys think HAL will be removed from slackware soon? [04:25] you'll have to wait for at least the next release and considering the last one was a few weeks ago... [04:26] <_slax0r_> what'll then "replace" HAL? [04:26] udev [04:26] <_slax0r_> oh...right [04:26] <_slax0r_> :/ [04:26] udev on linux, other things elsewhere [04:26] crocket, are you having problems with hal? does it not work right for you? [04:27] I was planning to implement a policy that turns off the laptop monitor when an external monitor is plugged in via HAL. [04:27] If the next release doesn't contain HAL, I would have to learn udev. [04:28] Can I make udev turn off the laptop monitor when an external monitor is plugged in? [04:28] if it's not next, it'll be the one after that, and if it isn't, it'll be the one after [04:28] it'll be udev eventually [04:28] alienBOB: I have put the slackware-live project in "http://downloads.tuxfamily.org/sallu/alienbob/" [04:29] I got a live/CD/DVD/USB build from a Slackware ISO [04:29] with squashfs and unionfs-fuse (no kernel recompile) [04:30] I'll learn udev. [04:31] LJS: nice! I hope I get some time this weekend, then I'll have a look at that [04:38] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:38] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Excess Flood [04:39] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:39] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:42] peacenik (~cyberian@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:49] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:50] alienBOB: do You want me to upload a Slackware live CD example ? [04:51] (90MB) [04:55] arcfide (~arcfide@adsl-99-14-209-54.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:03] LJS (~frank@55.188.83-79.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:03] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:03] do usb keyboards usually work in console in slackware 13.0 ? [05:03] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [05:04] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:04] Nick change: SkyTV -> Skywise [05:04] I have a machine where usb keyboard just worked at the login prompt, then refused to work in the shell. [05:04] o_o [05:04] slava_dp: mine works [05:06] must be some crappy usb controller than [05:07] dmesg? [05:08] yeah, reading it now [05:08] crap usb apparently [05:12] wanna see? http://pastebin.ca/1885645 [05:13] brainvision (~brainvisi@host196-60-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:14] nice... [05:15] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [05:16] <_slax0r_> how did you type dmesg then if your kb isn't working? o.O [05:17] _slax0r_, ssh [05:17] magic [05:17] <_slax0r_> oh [05:17] ssh, it's magic [05:18] pronunciation question: how do you guys pronounce ssh (native speakers please :) ) [05:18] i say ess ess aitch [05:19] actually, I pronounce it the same ;-) [05:19] also fun to use it like you're "shushing" someone [05:19] secure shell [05:19] trhodes: does that too, and I say I write "ssshhhhh" scripts instead of shell scripts sometimes ;-) [05:20] haha [05:20] ok. it's somehow traditional to pronounce it ess ess ush here. don't know why. but I'll switch, starting now. [05:23] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:23] hayaza (~hayaza@125.166.163.1) joined ##slackware. [05:23] hi [05:24] hrad (~a@77.93.201.43) joined ##slackware. [05:26] anybody else gets screen drawing problems on slack 13.1 + kde + intel graphics? this bothers me so much, window elements don't get redrawn or jump around sometimes [05:26] actually on slack 13.1 + kde + old radeon (free driver), almost the same. anyone? [05:26] compositing is disabled on both [05:27] i even get that with the nvidia blob when launching kmail [05:27] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:27] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.88.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:27] (with compositing) [05:27] so apparently it's kde at fault. any solution? [05:28] how can I download a file from a website with authentication in linux command line ? [05:28] wget --no-check-certificate is one method [05:28] it's like.... damn... so nice and user-friendly and beautiful kde interface, and suddently vusial glitches x_x [05:29] havent searched for a solution tbh [05:29] I did look a little, haven't found anything [05:29] sahko no-check-certificate ? [05:29] i mean userpassword authentication with javascript [05:29] also here the first time i plug in a usb stick the device notifier shows up in the middle of the screen instead of lower right [05:30] hayaza: man wget [05:30] oh, dont know about that [05:30] rafu (~slackrunn@77.53.11.107) joined ##slackware. [05:30] maybe curl would do it [05:30] oh, javascript ? [05:30] hmm [05:30] yeah^ [05:31] curl is much more advanced than wget [05:31] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[07:36] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [07:37] why not? [07:37] it's too early for these questions [07:38] spartanVI (~spartan@c-71-56-81-37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:38] we don't want answers [07:38] spartanVI (~spartan@c-71-56-81-37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:38] just warming up [07:39] Jeopardy Time! [07:39] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.72) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:39] Answer: The L.A. Lakers, 2010 [07:40] Q: Who cares? [07:40] no prizes for sports [07:40] A: Not me [07:40] just say no [07:40] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.45.163) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:40] at least the rioting in the streets wasn't bad this time [07:40] rioting is normal [07:41] I was able to get to work - but then I go around the back and miss Staples Center anyway [07:41] rioting where? [07:41] downtown L.A. [07:41] and why? [07:41] Lakers won the championship [07:42] idiots [07:42] what is this, basketball ? [07:42] yep [07:42] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-fijyebbconqdvomy) joined ##slackware. [07:42] sports was just something to keep the masses occupied before the Internet [07:43] sports is something your mother tells you to do to get out of the house. preferrably out of her hair [07:44] thrice` (thrice@slackadelic.com) joined ##slackware. [07:44] thrice` (thrice@slackadelic.com) left irc: Changing host [07:44] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [07:44] okamu (~okamu@tor1.digineo.de) joined ##slackware. [07:44] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:44] how do i get full info about a hard disk and its partitions? it seems fdisk, parted, and df offer no way to get a verbose report about the hard disk and its partitions. [07:44] what kind of output were you expecting? [07:45] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.143.76) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:45] thrice` (thrice@slackadelic.com) joined ##slackware. [07:45] thrice` (thrice@slackadelic.com) left irc: Changing host [07:45] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [07:45] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:45] i'm not sure, but there are always bits missing that i can only see in another application [07:45] thrice` (thrice@slackadelic.com) joined ##slackware. [07:45] thrice` (thrice@slackadelic.com) left irc: Changing host [07:45] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [07:45] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:45] for example, gparted shows stuff that even parted won't show [07:46] well, hard to help if we don't know what information you're looking for. [07:46] :) [07:46] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.179.50) joined ##slackware. [07:47] i am going to change the configuration of my hard disk and i want to save everything about it before doing it, so as to be able to restore its configuration when i'm done [07:49] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-232.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:49] mornin and hi folks [07:49] tune2fs -l [07:49] anyone awake for fs query? [07:49] this includes repartitioning it and being able to recreate the same partitions [07:49] alicephilippa: is this enough info? [07:50] alisonken1home: is this enough info? [07:50] i have a xfs part that is empty/unused and xfs code reports occasional errors and remounts-ro [07:50] alisonken1noc: is this enough info? [07:50] anyone else seeing xfs errors? [07:50] okamu, as slysir has suggested, did you try "tune2fs -l" ? [07:51] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.45.163) joined ##slackware. [07:51] sorry, didn't see that [07:51] how do i display a partition label? [07:52] i hadn't tried that, no [07:53] tune2fs returns "Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock." [07:53] tune2fs -l /dev/sdaX [07:53] tune2fs -l /dev/sda [07:54] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-144-42.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:54] its for fs not partition [07:54] also, i want fdisk and sfdisk to decide upon one "start" and one "end" value (they differ by one) [07:55] slysir: it is a partition, but probably not supporting ntfs? [07:55] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.45.163) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:55] if it's an ntfs partition, have fun [07:55] alisonken1noc: you seem to be implying that there's no tune2fs support for that :) [07:56] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:56] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-162-7-244.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [07:57] waiting for advice [07:57] okamu, well, ntfs is NOT a linux filesystem standard - linux just tries to work with it :) [07:57] but how do i display a partition label? [07:58] SunTzu, can't help since I don't use xfs [07:58] hi ken, ok but there are others who do [07:58] "tune2fs -l /dev/sdX |grep volume" - unless it's an ntfs partition [07:59] okamu, or cfdisk will show the label as well [07:59] cfdisk /dev/sda [08:00] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:00] FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 0: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder Press any key to exit cfdisk [08:01] again - if it's an ntfs primary partition, you'll have to find an ntfs guy [08:01] even for cfdisk? [08:02] apparently so [08:03] in this case, it looks like your primary partition was created in a windows environment, and it took all the drive space, including the parking cylinder [08:04] but can't i just save the disk's image, without the data, and then simply restore it? [08:06] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.45.163) joined ##slackware. [08:07] nader (nader@85.133.204.194) left ##slackware. [08:08] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [08:08] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:10] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:10] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:13] thrice (thrice@slackadelic.com) joined ##slackware. [08:13] thrice (thrice@slackadelic.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:18] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:18] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:23] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:24] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [08:26] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [08:26] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [08:30] okamu, try sfdisk. [08:30] slava_dp: for the last thing i asked? [08:30] okamu, sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb # will clone your partition table to another drive [08:30] asarch (~asarch@189.188.157.214) joined ##slackware. [08:30] for saving partition tables. [08:31] what about other hard disk info? [08:31] sfdisk -d /dev/sda > table # will save your table to a file [08:32] what do you need? an ntfs label? use 'ntfslabel' for that. [08:32] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [08:34] then can't i get a full report from the kernel? [08:34] i just want a full report, not separate pieces from separate apps [08:34] a full report of what? define the task. [08:35] he wants to redo his disk but save the old info to restore with [08:35] everything that can be known about the hard disk and its partitions [08:35] full disk - not just backups [08:35] okamu, bad definition. [08:35] slava_dp: what's bad about the definition? [08:36] an equivalent statement to yours would be "build me a router that does the same thing as " [08:36] okamu, a definition includes a list of things that are needed. yours doesn't. [08:38] slava_dp: i can understand that my definition is discouraging, but it's otherwise perfectly understandable and logical. [08:39] there are always commands "known to display everything that is to be displayed about something" [08:39] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.79.102) joined ##slackware. [08:40] discouraging? for you, it might be. for me, I use sfdisk and maybe the output of mount to know what was mounted where and with what filesystem. [08:40] if a command isn't "known to display everything (...)", then we clearly know that, no matter what i want, specifically, it still won't display everything [08:40] that's a windows way of thinking. [08:40] slava_dp: yes, this is what i meant: discouraging for me in your opinion [08:41] if you need a command that does everything. write a script that does the list of things you want it to do using the available small commands. it's not so hard. [08:41] I am just planning to use LVM. Does EXT4 support resizing volumes? [08:41] Mel-nix, yes [08:41] slava_dp: there's only so much data about a hard disk. i'm not talking about the generic everything. [08:41] Mel-nix, yes, growing and shrinking [08:41] growing while mounted, shrinking only while unmounted [08:42] ext4 + lvm = win win situation [08:42] Delahunt: Thanks. [08:42] yw [08:43] Action: Delahunt accepts payment only in linden now :D :P [08:43] Does EXT4 have journalling? [08:43] um, yes [08:43] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-9-192.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [08:43] I know that EXT3 has. [08:43] (ext3 and ext4 are journalled) [08:43] you don't wanna use journaling on a raid array tho [08:43] all fs's that slack supports are journalled, except for ext2. [08:43] ext4 upgrades ext3 with better journaling [08:44] Nick change: get -> Get|Off [08:44] and ntfs, and fat, and fat32, .. [08:44] Nick change: Get|Off -> get [08:44] (lacking journaling, that is) [08:44] ntfs/fat are not linux filesystems. [08:44] and ntfs has it, by the way. don't know if ntfs-3g uses it. [08:44] "all fs's that slack support are journaled" <-- sound familiar? :) [08:45] Skywise, why not [08:45] slava_dp, you mentioned slack fs support, not linux filesystems [08:45] meh [08:47] Is it safe to use an entire disk (/dev/sda) in stead of a partition (/dev/sda1) to create a physical volume for LVM? [08:47] Skywise, Software RAID and a reliable journalling filesystem make a great combination. [08:47] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/articles/software-raid-p2.xml [08:47] um i think you can do it that way but i would advise against it [08:47] actually they don't and conflict [08:47] that was a quote from the article, search for it [08:47] just make sda1 the entire disk, then make that LVM and go from there imho [08:48] the problem is during an unclean shut down, they're both trying to reconstruct at the same time [08:48] you can mirror with lvm too [08:48] okamu (~okamu@tor1.digineo.de) left irc: K-Lined [08:48] and the journalling is liable to reconstruct using corrupted logs further damaging the integrity of the system [08:48] i'm surprised there is not a work-around [08:48] if the fs could be delayed untilt he raid is sync then there wouldn't be an issue [08:48] Can lilo read LVM, if your /boot is LVM? [08:49] yeah [08:49] but both tend to happen on their own [08:49] use an initrd [08:49] Delahunt: Thanks. Even the LVM-HOWTO document said so. [08:49] initrd of course, but lilo needs to make the map for the BIOS to find the kernel AND initrd. [08:49] i think lilo understands lvm enough that you only need an initrd [08:49] yeah but LILO points to the physical disk iirc [08:50] well, I always set aside a small /boot anyway [08:50] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:50] SOUL_OF_R00T (~leo@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:51] i.e. it loads the file until EOF [08:51] and although I'm using LVM for my 13.1, I kept a small physical partition for / [08:51] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFD1AAD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:51] but setting aside a small /boot is not a bad idea in case you want cryptsetup / luks [08:51] simpler [08:52] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-9-192.kotinet.com) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [08:52] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-9-192.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [08:54] Action: Delahunt is LOVING the ambient trance at inspire space park [08:54] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:54] Action: Delahunt <3 second life [08:54] one thing i do use, is reiserfs on a raid 1 [08:54] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [08:55] Skywise, you do? [08:55] now, people call reiserfs journaling, but technically its just logs [08:55] i would think that at hardware level RAID 1 is essentially seen as one disk right? [08:55] Delahunt, yes [08:55] and it has a centralized btree directory at the start of the fs, so its going to get reconstructed first [08:55] Delahunt, its the same with all hardware raid configurations [08:57] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFD1AAD.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:57] reiserfs writes to the log first and then does the file writes [08:57] if the operation is interrupted before completion its rolled back [08:57] reiserfs killed a few of my drives a while back [08:57] like 15g drives [08:57] FS cannot kill hardware [08:57] (even NTFS) [08:57] or it died and it was a coincidence [08:57] Skywise, same goes with ext4 in data=ordered mode. [08:57] thrashing could (i.e. lots of swapping) but even then that's the fault of your OS [08:57] I never use data=writeback [08:58] isn't data=ordered the default? [08:58] well, ext4 is still being developed [08:58] Delahunt, for rootfs in slack - yes. for others - no. [08:58] ah good to know thanx [08:58] yeah, that is good to know [08:59] ah i DO use that for all mine, just had to check, forgot [08:59] i'm putting together a cluster now, i was going to do reiser on it, but i'll try ext4 [08:59] loup (~loup@198.20.32.1) joined ##slackware. [09:00] i found ext4 faster for day to day stuff i do because i benchmarked it against what i actually do in real life [09:00] flrichar: Google groups search for "rob0 reiserfsck" for a funny story. [09:00] but for everyone else it depends [09:00] these will be used in a lamp cluster [09:00] in soviet russia, reiserfs fsck YOU [09:01] i need to learn how to specify default ext4 mount options to udev/hal [09:01] or just in general [09:01] got current, well 13.1 I guess running on a Lifebook P1510 netbook but am getting no joy with the touchscreen...google has produced diddly-squat..anyone got links? [09:02] loup, does your kernel have the module for that hardware? [09:03] haldir (~haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:03] I've dl'd fujitouch driver and put it in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input and have tried to link to it from xorg.cong-vesa [09:03] I use 'barrier=1,data=ordered' for all my ext4 volumes. I had data loss before I did this. [09:04] why are you using VESA? [09:04] loup, no need to use vesa! run 'X - configure' as root, and you will have a usable xorg.conf for you system. [09:04] go without an xorg.conf and try it that way [09:04] will try...BBL [09:05] Delahunt, without xorg.conf the touchscreen will not work. [09:05] they never do. [09:05] ah [09:05] Action: slava_dp needs to configure one today [09:06] yeah I just did the newstyle with no pre-configuration [09:06] ivo_ (~strato@f048112178.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:06] loup (~loup@198.20.32.1) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:07] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. 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[09:23] thrice (noobfarm@slackadelic.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:24] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:24] Mel-nix: you'd undoubtedly noticed that they're both symlinks back to mke2fs [09:24] Mel-nix, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ext4dev [09:24] what's special is how the real binary (mke2fs itself) treats $0 [09:24] alphageek, mke2fs check how it was called too, so that makes a difference. [09:24] ^ [09:26] I tend to abuse that feature in scripts. handy [09:27] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-57.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:27] arnis (~arnis@62.122.16.30) joined ##slackware. [09:28] thrice (thrice@slackadelic.com) joined ##slackware. [09:28] thrice (thrice@slackadelic.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:28] rmielnic (~sadman@en-pc243.htwg-konstanz.de) joined ##slackware. [09:29] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. 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[09:42] Delahunt, works for me [09:42] the one on sbo [09:43] works for me [09:44] k just axin' [^.^] [09:45] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-203.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Client Quit [09:47] thrice (noobfarm@slackadelic.com) joined ##slackware. [09:47] thrice (noobfarm@slackadelic.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:47] thrice (noobfarm@slackadelic.com) joined ##slackware. [09:47] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [09:47] thrice (noobfarm@slackadelic.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:51] ClaudioM-www (a8dd9db9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.168.221.157.185) joined ##slackware. [09:56] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host213-122-218-113.range213-122.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [09:57] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:02] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. 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[10:27] ok I'm finished [10:27] nah he's just got some misconceptions about the mythos of turk182 lol [10:29] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:30] I'm liking the new SlackBuild scripts - they are kind of reminding me a little of pkgsrc that I've used (and loved) in netbsd [10:30] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [10:31] he is right about a little of that, though; we're behind on general user 'just work'-ness compared to other distros. if your slackware works for you, its not because of slackware, its because you know linux. [10:32] i mean we're always improving, sure, but we're behind other distros in that area. we always have been for general users. [10:32] and that is not too bad. [10:32] I've already got two friends of mine that have been Ubuntu users to try Slack. It's been an eye-opener for them, but in a good way [10:32] dartmouth, FriedBob: you're the bad ones that sit at the windows and shout at children when you're >60, right? Get some piece of humour and a cake. [10:33] fb|jean, what? I'm 25. [10:33] lol [10:34] My slackware def works better than ubuntu, but I'm still pretty much linux-tarded [10:34] fb|jean: No, I'm the guy that waves a double barrelled shotgun around and yells at people to "get off my lawn" [10:34] :-D [10:34] slava_dp, imo sure, the tradeoff is worth it, because everything on the system is doing what i told it to do, and there's not alot of stuff i didn't want on there, but unless you're interested in rolling your own distro (which is what most heavy slack users end up turning their systems into after a while), its not worth it. [10:35] fb|jean remember that it's adifferent OS, so just like when you first encountered MSWind# you had to learn the particulars of how thinigs work [10:35] cypherpunko: i was kidding.. [10:35] but the whole 'ubuntu is the best penetration testing platform' crap fb|jean is spewing is just moronic. [10:35] he totally wasnt kidding [10:35] fb|jean: an sarcasm emoticon is used to express a joke ;) [10:35] no i wazn't i'm ultr4h4xx0r [10:36] no youre a wannabe [10:36] i'm not a kernel contributor and i'm not working for a distributor, i'm just a little kid :P [10:36] keep cool guyz [10:36] yes, yes you are. [10:36] zzZzz [10:36] but as i said. slackware is shiznit. <3 gentoo [10:36] *hihihi* [10:37] fb|jean (champus@unaffiliated/champus) left ##slackware. [10:37] Action: dartmouth does a +q and has the disappointment of life run into him [10:37] fb|jean (~champus@unaffiliated/champus) joined ##slackware. [10:37] just kidding. [10:37] Action: dartmouth does +q fb|jean!*@* [10:37] I'm trying to get my work to pay for me to get a CEH/CPT/CEPT. [10:37] fb|jean, you remind me alot of myself when i first got here. [10:37] Can you set up a fail-over default gateway with route? [10:38] allend (~allend@CPE-121-219-228-189.lnse1.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:38] dartmouth: i'm just getting bored... don't take me serious... [10:38] arfon, im not up on the newest networking jargon, what are the mechanics of a 'fail-over' gw? [10:38] dartmouth: propably a fall back gw [10:39] sure. fall back gw works too. [10:39] you can do hsrp or vrrp too [10:39] arfon, I doubt it. iproute2 might be able to set it, but still. [10:39] Action: dartmouth falls asleep [10:39] oh slackware, I mean vrrp [10:39] you might need a full-blown routing suite like quagga [10:39] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:39] If my default gw path fails, can you add a 'back up' default path in your routing table? [10:39] sunzu (~sunzu@pD9ED7835.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:40] arfon: depends on the definition of how gw path fails [10:40] if its ethernet, it can fail without the interface going down [10:40] hey is there a way to import my (opera and firefox) bookmarks from my xp partition? [10:40] Ah, I'll check into iproute2 then.... [10:40] Dartmouth, Firefox bookmars are just a flat html file, just copy it [10:41] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:41] I think Opera's are also [10:41] oh goodie [10:41] ill look up the paths later [10:41] I thought FF now saved the bookmarks within sqlite [10:41] you could export them to html though [10:41] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [10:41] Not on Windoz [10:41] Flat file [10:41] hm [10:42] it should save them in an sqlite db [10:42] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [10:42] you know what i'd really like is a sammich. [10:42] wait, isn't the file named something.sqlite? [10:42] amen to that [10:42] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:42] I think it's something like .json [10:42] I don't mean to sound skeptical but, since when? [10:42] since about an hour after my last sammich arfon [10:42] no, it's also sqlite on windows, I'm 100% sure [10:42] oh you mean the db [10:43] im so glad today is payday. [10:43] There is "bash-4.1$" default prompth in Konsole on latest Slackware. How do you resolve it? [10:43] i need a mother-effin-beer [10:43] Admitted I haven't transferred bookmarks in years but, they have always been a flat html file [10:43] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.79.102) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:43] ..when I did it [10:43] Necrosporus, you need to set it to be a login terminal [10:44] Necrosporus: PS1 shell variable [10:44] How? [10:44] arfon: http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/ routes patch, and also see the NANO-HOWTO there. [10:44] I know [10:44] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [10:44] Necrosporus, it should be in the settings, or you could edit the button you use to launch it to have whatever switch it needs to do a login shell [10:44] That is more specific the problem.. just edit your .bashrc to reset the PS1 variabl [10:44] mtkoan, but it should be set up in /etc/profile [10:44] mtkoan, its not loading /profile.d/ because its not a login shell [10:45] Necrosporus: true, for a login shell. You can set urxvt/xterm to act as a login shell [10:45] in .Xdefaults [10:45] I personally don't use my terminals as login shells [10:45] you can set konsole to be a login shell, too in its configuration [10:45] dartmouth, I have used ln -s .bashrc -> /etc/profile [10:45] one MOTD at login is enough for me :D [10:45] slack_fish (~slack_fis@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. [10:45] Necrosporus, yes and its not working BECAUSE ITS NOT A LOGIN SHELL [10:46] hm, I haven't tried it on Slack 13.1 [10:46] WELL GD! Mozilla DID go and F the bookmarks up! [10:46] Necrosporus: linking ~/.bashrc to /etc/profile will break some things, scp for one. [10:46] The bookmarks.html file is now full of garbage [10:46] <--hates change [10:46] But it worked for konsole runned from konqueror by F4 in KDE3.5 [10:47] rob0, really? I can use scp still [10:47] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [10:47] Okay, I'm in a console session now so I can open Firefox but, isn't/wasn't there an EXPORT option? [10:48] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [10:48] can=can't [10:48] Raggs (~chuck@99-29-0-126.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:49] hi all, what is the recommended way to upgrade from 13 to 13.1? [10:49] Necrosporus, just set "run login shell" in the options. [10:49] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:49] Raggs, read UPGRADE.TXT and man slackpkg [10:49] Necrosporus, just for S's & G's, can you run this cmd? `touch /etc/profile.d/PS1.sh && echo PS1="\n[\u@\h] << \w >> \n\n] " > /etc/profile.d/PS1.sh && chmod 777 /etc/profile.d/PS1.sh && source /etc/profile.d/PS1.sh" <-- bet this fixes your problem :) [10:50] It's not only problem [10:50] arfon: Bookmarks-> Orgaanise Bookmarks->Imaport and Backup->Export to HTML [10:50] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-62-3.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: No route to host [10:50] arfon: I know how you feel....I wasn't too happy about it, but it is what it is. :-) [10:50] Necrosporus, well just try it, i think youll be pleased [10:50] I gotta tell you, you guys are so helpful! [10:51] ClaudioM, i hate that expression 'it is what it is' [10:51] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-62-3.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:51] 777 is a insecure mode for file in /etc [10:51] Necrosporus, what? who told you that? [10:52] 755 would also work if youre paranoid. [10:52] Anyone can edit default prompt [10:52] I would have gone and copied my bookmarks.html from one computer to another and corrupted my bookmarks. Shhot, it would have probably sent me to some pron site. [10:52] anyone? who is anyone? [10:52] you mean you? [10:52] because 'anyone' would mean that other people use your machine that you have set up users for. [10:52] Action: slava_dp edits Necrosporus's prompt to say "LOL" [10:52] So there is possibility to echo "rm -rf (some file)" >> /etc/profile.d/PS1.sh [10:53] ok so remove write prives [10:53] Wher somefile can be even /* [10:53] Necrosporus, no user should be able to edit *anything* in /etc. [10:53] rmielnic (sadman@en-pc243.htwg-konstanz.de) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [10:53] It's what I said [10:53] i may have missed something-- aren't those privs cascading? e.g. if /etc/ is -w, aren't any subdirs regardless of the mod? [10:54] Nope [10:54] or was that an SELInux thing that I just got used to and didn't realize was unique to it. [10:54] But -x is [10:54] Necrosporus, right, that was for dartmouth ;-) [10:55] well, shit, good to know. [10:55] dartmouth, chmod a-x /etc would make effect cascade (and unpleasant for your system) [10:55] now if i had any friends, id be paranoid about my system security now. [10:56] Necrosporus, well, anyway, try out that PS1 prompt and see if you like it ;) [10:56] but you have to paypal me 15 cents every time it is displayed. [10:57] dartmouth, it would be better, to edit konsole menu item and add --ls [10:57] Raggs (chuck@99-29-0-126.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:58] Necrosporus, ive been telling you that for half an hour [10:58] I wonder, why does it lacking by default? [10:58] Necrosporus, my guess is one of their devs thought it was insecure [10:58] dartmouth, but it would not work for konsole if you run it by F4 from konqueror [10:59] Necrosporus, `alias konsole='konsole -ls'` [10:59] i wouldn't know, my konsole does it automatically [10:59] How to fix it for konqueror only [10:59] i didnt have to set anything either [11:00] My prompt says D:> [11:00] and it display the Miscosoft copyright message [11:00] Gotta keep the boss guessing [11:01] arfon, lol [11:02] dude if i could get msoffice 2007 and photoshop working in wine, i wouldn't even have an xp install [11:03] caiofbpa (~caio@187.59.80.52) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:03] speaking of wine, if i just ln -s my actual xp "drive c" to .wine/drive_c/ would that work or is that a world of pain? [11:03] Herman (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [11:03] photoshop should work well [11:04] dartmouth, it would use unstable proprietary windows libs instead of correct wine ones [11:04] speaking of wine, I FINALLY got WOW and Anarchy Online working last night... I wanna kiss the winetricks dude [11:04] Necrosporus, hrm so i guess there's no way to rig wine to not do that? [11:04] ..not ia a gay way or anything... [11:04] it would be nice to share all those apps between installations [11:05] Also, how to configure touchpad within Slackware? [11:05] dartmouth, you can try [11:05] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [11:05] Necrosporus, i dont suppose you know how to get things being run in wine to use something like a nice display theme....? [11:05] By default, scrolling doesn't work with Slackware 13.1, but work with 12.1 [11:06] Why not to get rid of both wine and windows? [11:07] Necrosporus, because i work jobs that require me to use windows sometimes. [11:07] Necrosporus: the best way is probably to setup hal to do it automatically [11:07] or use synclient if you have a synaptics touchpad and don't want to change the hal setup [11:07] Necrosporus, and also the million 'little' apps that are for doze but not nix [11:07] synclient is not very understandable [11:08] sure it is. synclient -l lists the options, then you do synclient Option=1 [11:08] I wonder, what numbers to ste up [11:08] zaltekk, but I don't know exact numbers [11:08] Action: dartmouth tries to /join #wine [11:09] There should be some tool to determine actual touchpad edges [11:09] well, most options are on/off toggles [11:09] and -l shows what everything is set to [11:09] But some options are numeric [11:10] all are numeric. but usually 0/1 for off/on. the sensitivity and edge options are floats though [11:10] Action: dartmouth does something unheard of to him [11:10] Necrosporus: CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT has "If you are using input hotplugging via HAL and a synaptics touchpad, then you might need to copy /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/11-x11-synaptics.fdito /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ and edit it to suit your needs. You can also use synclient(1) to make changes "on the fly." [11:10] Action: dartmouth types 'man wine' [11:10] Action: dartmouth looks to make sure alienBOB isn't watching the channel [11:11] bgeddy (~bgeddy@91.84.218.129) joined ##slackware. [11:11] Action: allend notes that AlienBOB has builtWINE packages [11:12] yeah but i like having plausible deniability about knowing how to read man pages [11:12] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:12] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.45.163) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:13] because if i dont, then i might be expected to like...read documentation and stuff. or even google. [11:13] Man pages are not ment for humans [11:13] arfon, i dont know what youre talking about, but i bet youre right. [11:14] A friend of mine said it best: "Man pages are written for people who already know the command and just need a refresher" [11:14] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:14] Action: arfon needs examples [11:15] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:15] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Quit: changing hosts [11:16] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [11:16] arfon, yeah im the same way. i could read a manpage a hundred times and still learn more the first time i actually see an example of the command being used. [11:16] UNFORTUNATELY, Ubuntu whinerbois forums are usually more helpful to me than Man Pages [11:17] man pages with examples are very useful [11:18] IF the TWO examples shown match exactly what you want to do. :( [11:18] Tsk tsk [11:18] AlienBOB is awake! [11:18] dartmouth: don't worry. Nobody in this channel has any misgivings about your abilitiy to read and understand. ;) [11:19] Action: arfon prefers pictures [11:19] ...and coloring books. [11:19] draw them pictures, and they eat the pages. [11:19] try info pages [11:20] info pages are useful; navigating them is a disaster [11:21] the problem with info pages is they are really long [11:21] BP{k}, does this look sound? http://pastebin.ca/1885820 [11:21] it's good to have something complete but I can't spend one hour reading documentation to find a simple self-explanatory switch [11:21] I had a hard time when they came out with scented crayons... :( [11:21] BP{k}, or am I about to screw up an xp installation and a wine installation? [11:22] BP{k}/alienBOB, whichever of you I meant to send that to... [11:22] iirc you shouldn't ln -s or something like that your existing windows installation [11:22] Action: dartmouth speaks to alienbob indirectly at all times lol [11:22] or maybe you don't really care about the windows installation ( *iirc* ) [11:23] dartmouth: I have no idea if that works, /but/ my gut tells me that will go horribly wrong at some point [11:23] it sounds like a learning experience in the making [11:23] BP{k}++ [11:24] are you *that* space-contrived? [11:24] yes [11:24] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.45.163) joined ##slackware. [11:24] Ropmain (Roppmain@79.117.196.27) joined ##slackware. [11:24] Hi. How could I view a PDF file inside the terminal ( I have a very old computer with only 65MB ram and I can't run any DE [11:24] danix (~danix@host10-116-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:24] Ropmain: pdf2html or some other converter is probably a must [11:24] Ropmain: mc [11:25] allend, mc shows pdfs? [11:25] adrien, also ultimately im going to add the xp executables path to the bash bin path so i can have the best of both worlds but im not going to set the wine up that way until i know it'll work [11:25] Ropmain: Yes [11:25] dartmouth: I'm tempted to tell you to spend some money on a drive and save hours of precious time (not only for wine, but if you can't afford 1GB, you're probably limited for *many* things) [11:25] cool [11:25] dartmouth: yeah, and the 'dir' command will be windows'? [11:25] i dont spend money, thats what people with money do. [11:25] it would be cool if you could view a pdf in a framebuffer console with vesa graphics [11:26] Ropmain: but just as text [11:26] allend, so it works oly for the OCRed ones? [11:26] tommcd (~tom@c-71-225-138-51.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:27] 10GB for 1 EUR, 100GB for 10 EUR or so, it's about two hours of work with low pay, the idea is that spending 2 hours of work will save 4 hours [11:27] kind of investment [11:27] bgeddy (~bgeddy@91.84.218.129) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:27] Skywise: maybe that directfb can [11:28] Ropmain: pdftotext ? [11:28] or pdfimages + seejpeg (iirc) [11:28] or as mentionned, to html and use w3m or elinks [11:28] hmm... are these in slackware? [11:29] I wonder if you can open a pdf in links with libsvga on....? [11:29] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:29] pdftotext, pdfimages and seejpeg, yes [11:29] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [11:29] pdftohtml too, w3m not [11:29] Ropmain, i am absolutely certain you can use the ion3 desktop environment, which is available on slackbuilds [11:29] Does anybody know a program who prints multiple image on a page by a printer? [11:29] oops [11:29] s/who/which/ [11:30] crocket: GiMP? [11:30] :) [11:30] but if you run gtk on directfb, I guess it means you're also running cairo and pango on it, so anything poppler-based (apvlv, epdfview...) should work [11:30] It doesn't print multiple images [11:30] dartmouth, in conjuction with an older slack or i could run 13.1? [11:30] s/absolutely/mostly-or-not-really-but-try [11:30] Ropmain, on 13.1 i think [11:30] ill check [11:30] It does if you use it to combine the imgaes... (it was a joke) [11:30] ispell imgaes [11:31] Ropmain, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/desktop/ion/ [11:31] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [11:31] Ropmain: fwiw, with X and openbox, I use about 60MB of memory, and each virtual desktop takes about 4MB of memory (good to know if you're low on mem =) ) (have 4 of them) [11:31] dartmouth, wow, tiling vm. great! [11:31] groo_ (~groo@189.64.181.215) joined ##slackware. [11:31] Ropmain, ion3 is pretty functional, too [11:31] groo_ (~groo@189.64.181.215) left irc: Client Quit [11:32] Also, my kppp doesn't work with same settings, which worked for 13.0. I'm trying to connect to the Internet via GSM mobile phone with Bluetooth [11:32] id be using ion if i werent such a compiz+xfce fanboi [11:32] adrien, won't 60 out of maximum 64 be too much? [11:32] Crocket: sorry, I don't mean to sound like a FreeBSDer to you. I don't know of a program like that, not that one doesn't exist. [11:32] It said something like By default the remote system is required to authenticate itself [11:32] Ropmain: which slackware version are you currently running? [11:33] arfon : I'm looking for digikam, F-Spot, GQview, gThumb, and XnView for now. [11:33] Haven't tried them [11:33] |Slacker| (~tanis@200.175.193.201.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:33] adrien, on my other pcs or this old one? the old one is not installed yet, i had a live cd of slax [11:33] arfon, i seem to remember someone talking about rigging up the fbsd ports system on slack and having it work pretty successfully [11:33] I have no idea, why, but I resolved this problem partially with creating apropriate file in /etc/ppp/peers [11:34] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:35] Ropmain: well, slax takes more memory than an installed system, but iirc, a slackware install should use from 20MB to 30MB of memory right after boot [11:35] You may be right dart, [11:35] one more thing: does any know how I start a GUI app over ssh and let it run after i'll log out? I'm using slack 13.1 and KDE. [11:35] for X, as I said, I had 4 virtual desktops so I could have spared 12MB and I'm on 64bit and that uses some more memory, but for a system with 64MB of memory a slackware 11 might be more appropriate (it's a very good version) [11:36] I tried out FBSD back in the 90s. I didn't care for the constant RTFM-noob attitude that alot of them had so I used NetBSD for awhile [11:36] dartmouth: google for slackware+ports or slackware+pkgsrc or pkgtools+pkgsrc or anything like that? [11:36] Then I droped it all and went straight linux [11:36] droped=dropped [11:38] adrien: cool, thanks [11:38] Ropmain, ssh -XCn user@host command [11:39] Necrosporus, i'm connecting by putty (from a win machine) [11:39] Then ssh by normal way [11:39] Ropmain, lose machine? [11:39] lose? [11:39] :) [11:39] xdoctor (~Joseph@201008046066.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:39] win != lose [11:39] Windows = lose [11:40] Windows != win [11:40] lol, yea [11:40] i can't boot linux, firm policy [11:40] and I really need to start that app [11:41] So use putty manual or ask on #putty [11:41] For me, putty doesn't show me correct cyrillic chars at all [11:42] (putty compiled for slackware) [11:42] Ropmain: if you need to start something X, you'll need an x server, like cygwin's or xming [11:42] Ropmain: you can use screen on CLI apps. [11:43] Ropmian, are you still asking about starting GUI apps over putty? [11:43] adrien, I know, I have Xming on the local machine but i need to start this app on the remote machine [11:43] Grifulkin (~Ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:43] arfon, use tab [11:44] Ropmain, use something like Xnest from Xming package [11:44] nachox_ (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [11:44] I don't like tab... tastes too much like saccarin [11:44] (xephyr would be better than xnest btw, if available) [11:44] bgeddy (~bgeddy@91.84.218.129) joined ##slackware. [11:45] trash_ (~ramonnt@187.65.19.133) joined ##slackware. [11:45] I can't find xephyr in my slack 12.1 [11:45] trash_ (ramonnt@187.65.19.133) left ##slackware. [11:45] But Xnest presents [11:45] yeah, xephyr is more recent [11:45] reminds me I have to play with marionnet [11:46] (network simulator based on vde+uml) [11:47] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:47] What's difference between login shell and usual except motd? [11:48] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:48] BsdNeo_ (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [11:48] I have disabled that motd anyway by chmod -x /etc/profile.d/*fortune* [11:48] login shells read /etc/profile and various profile infos [11:48] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Disconnected by services [11:48] fortune isn't a motd btw [11:48] motd is in /etc/motd [11:48] Nick change: BsdNeo_ -> BsdNeo [11:48] $ cat /etc/motd [11:48] Linux 2.6.24.5-smp. [11:48] thrice (~thrice@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:49] ...but fortune IS annoying [11:49] thrice (~thrice@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:49] I don't see that message even running konsole --ls [11:49] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:50] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.45.163) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:50] sinuhe (~sinuhe@199.227.49.182) joined ##slackware. [11:54] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [11:55] Nick change: nachox_ -> nachox [11:56] hy [11:57] sorry [11:59] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.32.75) joined ##slackware. [11:59] How could I enable Desktop Sharing over ssh? [12:01] slack_fish (~slack_fis@59.72.110.45) left irc: Quit: ‚» [12:02] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:03] Ropmain, use vnc [12:03] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: :q! [12:03] ssh AFAIK doesn't work as desktop sharing [12:04] Necrosporus, yea, but i need to enable it. I have only ssh access to the remote machine [12:04] use ssh to configure vnc server [12:05] Or you can use ssh with Xnest [12:05] But it won't sharing [12:05] make a tunnel via ssh and use Xnest :1 -query remotemachine_address_withing_tunnel [12:06] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:06] ananke (~ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:06] But you have to start xdm on said machine [12:06] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:06] sbs` (~mfd@unaffiliated/sbs/x-6460670) joined ##slackware. [12:08] crocket (~quassel@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [12:09] crocket (~quassel@121.168.91.143) left irc: Client Quit [12:10] jasper_carrot (~sixx@212.183.140.41) joined ##slackware. [12:11] Ropmain (Roppmain@79.117.196.27) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:13] telperion (~Adium@190.156.36.117) joined ##slackware. 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[12:24] spartanVI (~spartan@c-71-56-81-37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [12:24] AppDeb (~AppDeb@77.49.158.241.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:25] telperion (Adium@190.156.36.117) left ##slackware. [12:27] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-fijyebbconqdvomy) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:27] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [12:27] v4nelle (~van@79.107.216.94) joined ##slackware. [12:29] madbear (~dude@c-cf29e655.09-14-6b73641.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [12:32] NthDegree (~NthDegree@88-107-148-149.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [12:32] twoshot_ (~stephen@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [12:35] I get the following error when starting X: intel_bufmgr_gem.c:978: Error setting to CPU domain 767: Input/output error [12:35] It crashed while I was gone, so I don't know what happened. [12:35] That error happens dozens of times. [12:36] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:39] Ok, here's an easier question. I'm using irssi right now. If I join another channel, will I leave this one? [12:39] eh. I might as well test it [12:39] twoshot_: no. [12:39] oh ok. cool. thanks [12:41] Guest10358 (~elliot@cpc1-king5-0-0-cust350.perr.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:41] Hi [12:43] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDB54.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] Hi Guest [12:46] yoyoned (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [12:47] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-60-20.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] I am trying to install slackware and this is the link I used ftp://ftp.slackware.org.uk/slackware/slackware64-13.1-iso/ I am downloading the top one will that work? [12:48] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [12:49] Guest10358: The DVD ISO will do it so yeah [12:49] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [12:49] I want to submit a package that needs a git snapshot. [12:49] sweet :D [12:49] Can slackbuilds.org host a git source code? [12:50] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [12:52] ivo_ (~strato@f048112178.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [12:52] Can slackware run as many apps as ubuntu? [12:53] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [12:53] Guest10358: yes [12:53] Hi, when you lock a session, it only locks the session locally yes? So if I were to SSH into this system I would not be able to do anything? [12:53] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host213-122-218-113.range213-122.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:53] What's the command for testing hardware? [12:54] I want to test my video card. [12:54] Has slackware a lot of crappy apps as ubuntu? [12:54] ? [12:54] jeev (~email@174.139.9.42) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:55] when U install it [12:56] but U can choose exactly what U want installed [12:56] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:57] twoshot_ (~stephen@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:58] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [12:59] How fast is it comparison to windows? [12:59] when I run "slackpkg search pkgname" the SlackBuilds packages don't show up. Is there something in /etc/slackpkg/slackpkg.conf that I'm missing? [13:00] the KDE is fast [13:00] cypherpunko: slackpkg packages arent on the standard slackware mirror? [13:00] cypherpunko: that wasnt a question so forget about the question mark [13:00] heh [13:01] wah [13:01] I mean the slackbuilds.org packages arent there *g* [13:01] I think I should buy an IRC bouncer server. [13:01] It should cost about 250 USD. [13:02] A+ [13:02] Whoops. [13:03] Nicce (Nicce@ip-48-61-179-93.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [13:03] but pkgtool has them, and if you install slap-get, then --show flag works with them. They've got to be on some kind of databas somewhere [13:03] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [13:03] datbase [13:04] Action: Roin would guess /var/log/sbopkg [13:04] database - my fingers are getting shuffled [13:04] newyork (~newyork@p5DC9251B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:04] jeev (~email@174.139.9.42) joined ##slackware. [13:05] hi guys, i am trying to start a perl script ang get the message "Can't locate XML/Writer.pm" which package i need to install? [13:05] cypherpunko: /var/log/packages [13:05] is your way to go [13:05] cypherpunko: but slackpkg just searches on the mirror you selected for it [13:05] that's true [13:06] but "/var/log/sbopkg" is empty here [13:06] And I think it only handles the standard slackware packages as well, while pkgtool just looks up /var/log/packages for what is installed [13:06] Writer.pm [13:06] cypherpunko: they are listed in /var/log/packages sorry [13:06] yes [13:07] It is taking forever to download [13:09] So I burn the ISO on a disc, then restart and boot? 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[14:22] rachael: quick and dirty way too: select the text and take a screenshot :P [14:22] ppcKlaatu (~sxe@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:23] danix (~danix@host10-116-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:23] yeah but doesnt really help much when its an old laptop with a not to great backlight, I wanted to invert the console so I could see the first couple of rows on the screen [14:30] yeah, at first I thought it might be for a screenshot, that's why I suggested that too ;-) [14:30] (plus, on xterm, not konsole, that wouldn't work ;-) ) [14:31] sunzu (~sunzu@pD9ED7835.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:32] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:34] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. 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[14:51] you havent sent a diff in [14:52] ok [14:52] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] I'll learn how to make a diff. [14:52] test [14:52] or send a simple email to someone [14:52] adding one char in a diff is ridiculous :) [14:52] ok [14:53] I'm tired [14:53] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:54] nickals (~nickals@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:57] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-8-55.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:59] yoyoned (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:59] wertik_rus (~wertik@193.239.129.216) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:04] taopunk_m (~taopunk@166.137.15.205) joined ##slackware. [15:04] taopunk_m (~taopunk@166.137.15.205) left irc: Client Quit [15:04] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-8-55.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Deuces. [15:04] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-232.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. 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[15:15] i am using fluxbox and dont want to install all these kdelibs :P [15:15] vlc is ghetto when it comes to easyness [15:16] well, tbh i dont think kde libs are more bloat then vlc actualy is [15:16] but whatever ;) [15:16] kimjeng (~mike@196.201.218.219) left irc: Quit: ill see you all l8tor [15:19] Tadgy (~tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) joined ##slackware. [15:19] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-62-3.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:20] elliot_ (~elliot@cpc1-king5-0-0-cust350.perr.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:20] Hi [15:22] What benifits are there to using slackware over ubuntu [15:23] ease of troubleshooting problems among other things [15:23] and administration [15:23] slackware doesn't do the "make everyone their own group as well as user" thing [15:24] how do you mean [15:24] add a few users in a *buntu box, then look at /etc/groups [15:24] add a few users in a normal linux/unix box, then look at /etc/groups [15:25] i think its safe to say slackware is the least bloated distribution [15:25] it's still considered a building-block distro as well as an administrator learning distro [15:25] So like the XP of linux [15:25] XP is the least bloted [15:25] not even close [15:25] that is good [15:26] hah, did you just try to compare windows to slackware ? :) [15:26] xp - not just windows :) [15:26] Well, Slackware does have KDE. And KDE is Windows for Linux :) [15:26] xp more like eXtra craP [15:26] personally, I use slackware on my desktops and laptops [15:26] personaly i use slackware on all that i get my hands on :p [15:26] no need of super-gaming platform for me [15:27] I can't - the shop is mainly debian on the servers [15:27] i like how little Slackware messes around branding and patching things to run their way. generally most of what you read about an app/configuration is how it is in Slackware without a bunch of gotchas. [15:27] Oh no I am going to be eaten by slackware users :) I am using ubuntu now and am dowloading slackware but I am not sure if I am wasting my time [15:27] I liked it because of the name mostly lol [15:27] that depends if you're interested in learning linux [15:27] lever a waste of time trying slackware - especially if you want to learn linux [15:27] If you like the name you will probably like the distro. [15:28] i seem to remember all kinds of gotchas in ubuntu, then agin they have a vibrant community ith a lot of support to learn to do it their way. [15:28] Does it have the try before install thing like Ubuntu? [15:28] no [15:28] the closest would be something like slax - but there's a buncha gotcha's between slax and slackware [15:28] It's a shame thats not provided any more. It used to be on the "extras" CD, back in CD only days.. [15:28] Yeah [15:29] Slackware is one of the first distros [15:29] slackware is the oldest surviving distro [15:29] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [15:30] It must be good if it has stood the test of time [15:30] ubuntu means humanity towards others. and its also part of the fifa world cup 'say no to rasism' spot. whats cooler than that? [15:30] learning how stuff works! [15:30] excremental meditation [15:30] If I liked football then that would be cool but I don't [15:30] and X day [15:30] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:31] The fonz he is cool :P [15:31] You could try the Salix Live CD for a taste of Slackware. It's based on Slackware 13.0 [15:31] v4nelle (~van@79.107.216.94) joined ##slackware. [15:31] isw (~isw__@c-67-181-224-97.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] or install Slackware [15:32] What is driver support like for slackware? [15:32] Well, yeah. But he wanted a live CD to test :) [15:32] its awesome [15:32] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [15:32] Tadgy: http://www.salixos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=876 13.1 is released [15:32] elliot_, whatever driver is in the kernel and Xorg [15:32] there's not that much difference between driver support [15:33] *between distros [15:33] thumbs: Cool. [15:33] I have a Dell Vostro 1500 so it is a bit old but it should be O.K I have like 2GB of RAM [15:33] I wonder why it's not on my mirror yet.. [15:33] elliot_, I'm running on 1G ram, and it works fine [15:33] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:33] Dude what are you using?? 1GB lol [15:34] I guess it is what people need [15:34] It's not how much RAM you've got, it's how you use it :) [15:34] *chuckle* [15:34] hah [15:34] there was somebody in here this morning talking to alienbob about a new live cd [15:35] posted a link but i didnt look [15:35] I like that salix is based on 13.x [15:35] "It's not the size of the sticks that count, ..... " :) [15:35] I only use like 1GB tbh but the extra 1GB is nice just means I can go a bit over and have more speed [15:35] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.32.75) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:35] not much but just for comfort [15:35] I have grown tired with slax. [15:36] s/with/of/ [15:37] The other thing is WI-FI with ubuntu I have to use ethernet cable and can't be wireless [15:37] Which sucks :) [15:37] elliot_: does it work with slackware and wicd? [15:37] he hasn't tried it yet [15:37] how would he know :p [15:38] sinuhe (~sinuhe@199.227.49.182) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:38] It is the driver I think my laptop is oldish [15:39] lspci and check what card is it, and then look for driver on google [15:39] miltux (~miltux@62.1.135.192.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Quit: exit(0); [15:39] Does'ent Dell provide the driver on the website? [15:39] or there might be some modprobe hacks you have to do, and so on [15:39] Yeah [15:40] Are modprobe hacks o.k? [15:40] last time i checked dell didnt make wireless chips, they just package/install stuff from manufacturers [15:40] /etc/modprobe.d/.conf is the preferred method now [15:41] When I had Windows I could connect to the internet wirelessly [15:41] But not when I had a linux based OS [15:41] When I had Windows there was so such thing as wireless. [15:41] elliot_: download Slackware, read the slackbook, install Slackware, come back [15:41] goes back to what chipset and if there's a linux driver for it [15:41] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:42] pretty sure there is [15:42] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [15:42] Tadgy: hehe [15:42] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [15:42] i think i've tinkered with one of those laptops [15:42] Tadgy: when I had windows, I was running a P2 [15:42] I don't think there is :( If it were a desktop then it would be no probs because I don't have to go anywhere and ethernet is faster the wi fi [15:42] *then [15:43] thumbs: P90 - As in Pentium 1, 90Mhz :) [15:43] 386 here;) [15:43] elliot_: how about actualy looking what chip you have and then asking proper question here and/or google [15:44] Tadgy: ok, fine. [15:44] I've used Windows on a 486 DX2 66 :) [15:44] oh, see this: "high quality package repositories with dependency support" [15:44] and windows was the first thing i got rid of cause it wasted space from the 200mb hd and i wanted more awesome dos games [15:44] they added dependency tracking to packages - I wonder how. [15:44] thumbs: That salix? [15:45] Tadgy: yes. [15:45] anyone know of an air force irc channel on some server thats actually being used? [15:45] thumbs: They've done it with requiredbuilder - I think they're quite open about that. [15:45] i was persuaded that using swap with RAM>1Gb is a bit old-fashioned today... big mistake? [15:45] sahko, i remember "cleaning up" the hd back at DOS times cause i wanted to play cool games, who needs command.com anyways? [15:45] Tadgy: ah, thanks. [15:46] dartmouth: Try #meninuniform on irc.gaydar.com :) [15:47] oh. low blow. [15:47] lol [15:47] Couldn't resist :) [15:47] you and i will discuss this #withyourmom [15:48] You're welcome to try #withmymom, but my step-dad has been in there for years with no luck :) [15:49] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:49] i can no longer continue this horseplay without breaking channel rules lol [15:49] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.182.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:49] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host213-122-218-113.range213-122.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [15:50] lol :) [15:51] seriously i wonder why, a military service with SO MANY PEOPLE THEY ARE SHUNTING ENLISTMENT, has SO FEW congregations online. [15:51] I'd imagine they are on private networks. [15:52] ie, military networks with no general internet connectivity. [15:52] (while people who actually socialize are pounding their doors down and finding out that a RIF is keeping them from joining [during the middle of an effin' war?]) [15:52] dartmouth: so you want to join the army? [15:52] oh dude. [15:52] Action: dartmouth looks for something heavy [15:53] Action: dartmouth slaps sahko around a bit with a large trout [15:53] Alabarda (~david@189.11.214.34) joined ##slackware. [15:53] id prefer a y/n [15:53] its my backup plan. [15:53] i've got till im 27. [15:54] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-29-56.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:54] jhw (~jhw@p5798266C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:55] pity [15:55] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:55] I hope you first plan is good [15:55] yeah me too [15:55] id be joining the army because those guys are necessary. id be joining the air force because its a long-standing dream. [15:56] And you'd join the navy because you like the boys? [15:56] wtf [15:56] lol [15:56] wait are you that homo in #gsb? :P [15:57] ke7xt (user@a-129-196-226-242.ext.fluke.com) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [15:57] Action: Tadgy isn't gay, no :) [15:57] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.182.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:57] thats not what chipster said [15:57] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:58] Ha. chipster and I are good friends and often take the piss out of eachother :) [15:58] I tell people he fucks goats... doesn't make it true :) [15:59] Well, s/goats/$ANAIMAL_OF_CHOICE/ and it wouldn't be :) [15:59] Tadgy, yeah but when your high school graduation party's theme song is ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbGkxcY7YFU ) you can't really ignore that lol [15:59] You'll have to fill me in on that - pootube doesn't work in lynx :) [15:59] BTW, I'm British... we don't have high schools :) [16:00] Secondary school FTW [16:00] you have low schools? [16:00] ;oD [16:00] Secondary school is like high school [16:00] Sorry I just butted in on the convo :) [16:00] Doesn't high school go on until you're 18? [16:00] for most people [16:01] some its like until 27 [16:01] In the USA you have college where you do a mix of things then choose something to major in how does that work? [16:01] We just have one course [16:01] Over here, we have Secondary school until 16, then "College" (not University!) until 18, which is voluntary. [16:01] Then we go onto Uni at 18 [16:02] It is becoming the law that for us I think next year you have to do Secondary school and college [16:02] Our "College" usually consists of studying 3-5 different courses. [16:02] A-levels or the diploma I am doing a BTEC [16:03] Action: chipster lastlogs and shakes head at dartmouth & Tadgy [16:03] chipster: Dude... quit telling people i'm gay! [16:03] chipster: Send your wife (and daughter) over and i'll show you how gay I am :P [16:03] I never did, Tadgy. You're dealing w/dartmouth, mind you. [16:03] yeah our education system is more business centered, meaning our education system -is- a corporate business, and this is reflected in our culture. we can't even compete really. [16:04] dartmouth where are you from? [16:04] (wife and kids is where I draw the line - afk) [16:04] P4C0 (~paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [16:05] hello [16:05] raendeer (~raela@64.134.164.78) joined ##slackware. [16:05] University is very much a business in the UK now. Schooling and College is still "public" education, so you don't pay for it. [16:06] I think the U.S.A idea of university is good if you are still not sure what you want to do we should have something like that in Britain still have it like it is but have the option of doing a varity of things then choose one to spec in [16:06] For those that use kate, does anyone else find that ~/.kde/share/config/katerc doesn't persist after logout? [16:06] elliot_: Thats what A-levels are for :) [16:06] I took 3 different ones, and specialised in Computer Science at Uni. [16:06] elliot_, maine, USA [16:07] apart from making a copy that replicates itself at startup, is there a way to do something about that? [16:07] Which uni? [16:07] Coventry. [16:07] That is right by me lol I live in Birmigham [16:07] well not right by me lol [16:07] elliot_, I went to the Charlie Manson Academy of Social Engineering [16:07] Heh, I was over in Brum yesterday for the SBLug meeting :) [16:08] didn't work out very well. but boy did I learn. [16:08] Awesome. I was thinking of doing computer science [16:09] Bl0tt0 (~Bl0tt0@fsf/member/bl0tt0) joined ##slackware. [16:09] I think I will end up doing something with computers but I am still not sure [16:09] the brutal truth is that the majority of people in maine, especially our educated, are wholly dishonest as individuals both at a personal and professional level. i hate saying that, but i've met alot of people since i've been here, and it's a recurring theme. [16:09] is anyone running their consoles on utf-8? [16:09] has anyone else run into problems trying to open a chat window in skype on 13.1? [16:10] Bl0tt0, any errors when you run it from a terminal? [16:10] nope, just a segmentation fault [16:10] The ISO is to big to burn on my disk [16:11] I saw a gentoo bug report that seemed to say it's a problem with the 4.6 qt libraries, so I figured someone else might have experienced the problem [16:11] crack3r (~chatzilla@41.225.255.96) joined ##slackware. [16:11] nop [16:11] e [16:11] Is there any way to get around it without haing to buy new discs [16:11] got trouble with pulse though [16:11] Bl0tt0: are you using slackbuild from sbo ? [16:11] *having [16:11] yeah [16:12] elliot_, which iso? [16:12] you can do a net install [16:12] try commenting out executable stripping line in slackkbuid [16:12] I guess it could be because I'm using the alien multilib packages, but skype used to work until I upgraded to 13.1 [16:12] elliot_, use rsync to get the slackware directory, then remove all the package sets, and then do a net install. [16:12] after making your own iso [16:12] crack3r (chatzilla@41.225.255.96) left ##slackware. [16:13] How do I net install? [16:13] elliot_, by reading the docs that i never look at [16:14] Bl0tt0: i tweaked it to work, but i never submit fix to sbo, try it from here: http://dev.slackverse.org/slackbuilds/_sbo/skype/ [16:14] Can I download rsync from the software centre [16:14] anybody using pulse and having trouble with skype ? [16:14] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [16:15] elliot_, i dont know but you can find it with a web browser [16:15] or you could decompress the iso you already have, and remove the package sets [16:15] then re-sausage the iso [16:15] burn it [16:15] net install [16:17] On the software centre it says Grsync [16:17] i dont know what the hell youre using [16:17] mario: are you using the dynamic or static version of skype on this? [16:17] ubuntu lol [16:17] dude [16:18] Bl0tt0: check PATCHED file for link [16:18] apt-get install rsync [16:18] ah [16:18] cool [16:18] it should already be on your system though [16:18] i thought ubuntu included rsync [16:19] Nah, that would be helpful:) [16:19] lol [16:21] Ubuntu is a bit bloated [16:22] a bit is an understatement [16:23] lol [16:23] true [16:24] mario: worked like a charm. Awesome [16:25] Bl0tt0: i'm glad it did, i will see who is maintainer and ask him to update it [16:26] I used to know a blotto [16:26] hayaza (~hayaza@125.166.163.1) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:27] but he wasn't an fsf member [16:28] I don't think it was me [16:30] I dont think it was either [16:30] unless your name is nick [16:30] nope [16:30] telperion (~Adium@186.28.140.107) joined ##slackware. [16:30] how involved is an upgrade from 12.2 to 13.1? [16:31] can swap space for 2Gb RAM really help? [16:31] nyRednek: honestly? Backup /home and /etc, wipe, install 13.1 [16:31] nyRednek, can be done, but I reinstalled just for the peace of mind :) [16:31] vdv, if you suspend, yes. [16:31] thumbs: why backup /etc? [16:32] a two version upgrade not too bad maybe [16:32] telperion (Adium@186.28.140.107) left ##slackware. [16:32] nyRednek: in case you had customized files in there. [16:32] vdv, if your system is heavily loaded, yes again [16:32] nyRednek: I know I have them. [16:32] I will give up on slackware for tonight [16:32] Herman (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:32] nyRednek, you read the libata switchover page of rworkman's? [16:32] elliot_: give up? [16:32] otherwise, the guy named OOM will shoot your apps [16:32] slava_dp: if i hibernate wanted you say [16:32] vdv, that's the word, yes ;) [16:33] I will look at it tommrow the file is bigger then my PC [16:33] slava_dp: sometimes system is really loaded [16:33] hayaza (~damengkje@125.166.169.67) joined ##slackware. [16:33] besides, my /home is a separate physical volume [16:34] nyRednek: good. [16:34] vdv, if you have some space to spare, make a 2 gig swap to match the ram. it won't hurt. [16:34] so a wipe/reinstall is as simple as format /dev/{hda|sda}1 and be good [16:34] slava_dp: but i'm afraid that overhead to get off from swap will slow more down [16:34] nyRednek: it should be easy. [16:35] MReimer (~chatzilla@p4FD4B068.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [16:36] slava_dp: for example if virtualbox will want to go to swap, then it's costs some to get it back again [16:36] Herman (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [16:37] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [16:37] thumbs: yeah, i thought so...was just contemplating installing on top of existing without format [16:38] hayaza (~damengkje@125.166.169.67) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:38] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:42] raendeer (~raela@64.134.164.78) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:43] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:43] asarch (~asarch@189.188.157.214) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:44] dChr (~dchr@freelancer.ceid.upatras.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:45] hayaza (~damengkje@125.166.163.26) joined ##slackware. [16:45] Nick change: fallen -> Guest44264 [16:46] fallen_ (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) joined ##slackware. [16:47] dafydd (~dafydd@d173-183-148-219.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. 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[16:57] mps31 (~mps@cvs.g7obs.net) left irc: Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi [16:57] hayaza (~damengkje@125.166.178.242) joined ##slackware. [16:57] tsolox: man cronjobs [16:57] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:57] Cann0n: No manual entry for cronjobs [16:58] man crontab [16:58] man crontab doesn't answer his question [16:58] tsolox: It will execute the job during 7:30, but there's no guarantee it'll be at the top of the minute. [16:58] So, it could happen at 7:30:59.99999 [16:58] sh0ne (~sh0ne@93.87.113.123) joined ##slackware. [16:59] any particular reason a cron job much be precise? [16:59] s/much/must/ [17:02] Tadgy: what happens if the OS (under heavy load) failed to schedule the task and it is already 7:31am? will it skip it? [17:02] or its in the queue and will be executed later on..despite past 7:30am [17:03] Cann0n: nothing serious..just investigating for risk scenarios.. [17:03] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: gone [17:03] elliot_ (~elliot@cpc1-king5-0-0-cust350.perr.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:04] dChr (dchr@freelancer.ceid.upatras.gr) left ##slackware. [17:04] tsolox: Pass. I suspect it's implimentation dependant. For example, dillons cron (in Slackware) doesn't try to re-schedule missed tasks because of downtime or time changes (except for DST changes) [17:05] Have a read through man crond :) [17:05] Tadgy: ic. so, it's possible..some task would be missed..that's all i need to know [17:06] M'kay [17:06] hayaza (~damengkje@125.166.178.242) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:06] tsolox, only due to downtime. if under load, the task will execute, but may be delayed. [17:06] you should make a check script that checks for a tmp file or something [17:07] slava hpw do you know? [17:07] mancha, I'm pretty sure about that, no guarantees though. [17:07] so you're guessing? [17:07] technically. [17:08] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-57.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:08] :P [17:08] slava_dp: will the tasks queue... [17:08] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:08] use anacron if you want it to execute no matter what [17:08] anacron shouldnt be needed with the new dcron [17:09] at least for most stuff [17:09] elliot_ (~elliot@cpc1-king5-0-0-cust350.perr.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:09] sahko, what does the new dcron bring? [17:09] i'm no expert on the subject but it seems like the issue is about whether the scheduler can miss crond for an entire minute [17:09] mancha: yes [17:09] slava_dp: vi /usr/doc/dcron-4.4/CHANGELOG [17:10] wow, current updated :o [17:10] ah, cool. reading [17:10] Bl0tt0 (Bl0tt0@fsf/member/bl0tt0) left ##slackware. [17:10] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [17:12] what're the changes in dcron 4.4? [17:12] droog (~navi@unaffiliated/droog) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:14] also i find no website for dcron that is active. freshmeat has a re-direct but the url is borked [17:14] hayaza (~damengkje@125.166.170.123) joined ##slackware. [17:14] its jimpryor.net but its down atm [17:14] mancha, dcron is maintained in much the same way lilo is [17:14] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.42.93) joined ##slackware. [17:14] http://apollo.backplane.com/FreeSrc <---- Matt's url said, latest is 3.2 [17:15] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.182.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:15] www.jimpryor.net/linux/dcron.html [17:15] sahko, does that link work for you? [17:15] no [17:15] hah [17:15] its temporarily i would assume, down [17:15] dead link [17:15] devel is active though [17:16] a good acid test to how solid a project is, is if they can keep a website up [17:16] sahko: is your dcron 4.4 a fork from Dillon [17:17] sahko: is your dcron 4.4 a fork from Dillon's 3.2 --> http://apollo.backplane.com/FreeSrc/ [17:17] i mean if they can't keep http://visit-my-cool-project.org running, can their code be trusted? [17:17] slackware's version? [17:17] tsolox: This codebase has been taken over by Jim Pryor, 3.2 represents my last release! Please visit Jim's web site for newer releases! [17:17] that doesnt sound like a fork [17:17] forks have different names usually anyway [17:18] visit his dead url? hahaha [17:18] hayaza (~damengkje@125.166.170.123) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:19] seems more like a spoon [17:20] tsolox (tsolox@124.6.157.10) left ##slackware. [17:21] switching to vixie's cron is not hard, anyways. [17:21] mancha, make a slackbuild :-) [17:22] the only concern would be syntactical portability of dcron crontabs. anyone know if dcron permits syntax that vixie does not? [17:22] sh0ne (~sh0ne@93.87.113.123) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:25] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:25] mancha: http://www.linux-archive.org/gentoo-user/160586-cron.html [17:26] yacron evetually became dcron [17:28] sahko, that's an interesting read... [17:28] hayaza (~damengkje@125.166.164.64) joined ##slackware. [17:28] OMGZ just had a WEIRD screen corruption [17:29] white first, then the image slid 1/2 screen to the right and came from the left [17:29] seems jim pryer also forked 3.2 [17:29] in 2 seconds it was restored [17:29] if I was on windows, I'd have run a virus scan :-X [17:30] acidchild (~ash@septic.7a69.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:30] acidchild (ash@septic.7a69.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:30] elliot_ (~elliot@cpc1-king5-0-0-cust350.perr.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:31] v4nelle (~van@79.107.216.94) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:32] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [17:33] mancha: i only pasted that for the comparison email which for dcron is for the most part incorrect. all disadvantages are implemented. [17:33] plus only dcron and fcron of those are still maintained, afaict [17:34] fedora forked vixie at some point [17:34] anyone use fedora lately to confirm they still maintain their fork? [17:34] Shuren (~Devilman@host33-171-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:35] oh right https://fedorahosted.org/cronie [17:35] also the gnu project has a cron, but i've not used it [17:36] hayaza (~damengkje@125.166.164.64) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [17:37] khider (~khider@CPE00226b4dc6c8-CM001868522c6c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [17:38] slacKManic (~fagner@187.56.72.198) joined ##slackware. [17:38] http://www.gnu.org/software/mcron/ [17:38] last mcron release seems to be 5 days ago [17:39] Greeting Slackers, I just got a new laptop and popped in a slackdisc before booting it up. I need to know what to allocate for my partitions, I have 2G of ram, 80G hard drive space, --so how much to allocate to boot, how much to root (dumb question I know, but I am a bit of a newb) [17:39] i would not separate boot and root to be honest [17:40] unless you plan to do partition-level encryption separating boot is not all that important. the things you might want to separate are home's since that can simplify upgrades (limited benefit though) [17:40] khider, 12 gigs - /, 2 gigs - swap, rest - /home. that's what I would do. [17:41] mancha: I used CF disk and the manufacturer installed Winblows, so do I just wipe it with ext4 or ext3 and let the dvd do autoinstall? [17:41] do you want to wipe the windows? [17:41] mancha: I. Do. Not. Use. Winblows. [17:41] or re-install the winblowz on a smaller partition after re-partitioning (not relevant - just curious) [17:42] or in virtualbox (works too, heh) [17:42] mancha: *shudder*8 [17:43] ok then. nuke the whole fucker, repartition as you'd like, maybe 2G /boot (exaggerated), 25G for / and the rest in /home [17:43] hayaza (~damengkje@125.166.175.61) joined ##slackware. [17:43] oh and yeah some for swap as slava said. maybe 3G [17:43] I used Windows 3.11 from 1996-2006, then became an Ubuntu user in 07, then Gentoo in 08 and now I want to embrace Slack [17:44] slava_dp: I like yer organizing, 12G s/b enough? [17:44] khider, 8 is enough, but for building packages/kernel/etc. I usually make it 12 [17:45] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:45] slava_dp: What file system do I put for the first partition? [17:46] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:46] you can make it 14 if you wish for your laptop to run slackware 25.0 which will weigh a little more :-) [17:46] Jdif (~Jdif@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: No route to host [17:47] slava_dp: I have a 13.1 disc, the freshest [17:47] khider, I would go with ext4 for both / and /home, but you need to give it parameters to avoid possible data loss [17:47] barrier=1,data=ordered [17:47] this needs to be put in /etc/fstab [17:47] after 'defaults' [17:47] and ext4 is very fast :) [17:48] What number is ext4, I cannot find it in the list [17:48] NeanT (~me@79.115.163.249) joined ##slackware. [17:48] the list? [17:48] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:48] slava_dp: I am using cfdisk [17:49] hm my active user isnt in the /etc/group file [17:49] slava_dp: those barrier=1,data=ordered are the default values for ext4... no need to specify them [17:50] The closest thing is 83 Linux. Is that ext4? [17:50] alienBOB, they are the default for rootfs, but not for mounts. [17:50] alienBOB, prove me wrong. [17:50] j0z (unix@201.22.23.80.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:50] j0z (unix@201.22.23.80.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [17:50] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [17:50] khider, make it type linux [17:51] rheault (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:51] when muting Audacious, it mutes everything.. does that mean i need to install pulseaudio? [17:52] cpuobsessed (~cpuobsess@adsl-074-183-121-238.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [17:52] slava_dp: why do you think they are not the default for anything except the root filesystem? [17:52] alienBOB, 'mount' tells me as much. [17:54] Strange, kernel 2.6.30 and later should have the safety belts on for ext4 [17:54] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [17:54] hayaza (~damengkje@125.166.175.61) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [17:54] slava_dp: Slackware 13.1 ? [17:54] alienBOB, yes. [17:56] slava_dp: hmm, cfdissk does not seem to let me break down my root, swap, and hope partition--it only lets me write everything as one partition, how do I specify things? [17:56] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:56] *home* partition [17:57] khider, remove the one you have, then make new smaller ones [17:57] slava_d:Sorry, two similar names [17:57] slava_dp: I have a non-root ext4 fs and mount tells me: /dev/sdb7 on /mnt/hd type ext4 (rw) [17:57] And I assume what is not mentioned, has default values [17:57] alienBOB, exactly. no barrier, no data=ordered. [17:57] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) joined ##slackware. [17:58] alienBOB, but they are mentioned for the root fs pretty clearly. [17:58] So? [17:58] A peciliarity of mount perhaps? [17:58] slava_dp: Err, mount doesn't show implied options. [17:58] peculiarity even [17:58] slava_dp: try: cat /proc/mounts [17:59] thing is, I now have these options hardcoded in fstab cause I'm paranoid [17:59] and I had a data loss once :( [17:59] mount will only show the options used on the command line to mount the fs, or given in the options field in fstab. [18:00] The kernel can add params (the defaults) to the options, which willonly show up in /proc/mounts [18:00] slava_dp: data loss can happen with any filesystem [18:00] Tadgy, k, thanks for the pointer, I will check later on. [18:00] alienBOB, how come? I thought we have journals now. [18:00] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Quit: FSF Free Software Foundation [18:00] slava_dp: It's documented in man mount, if you want to check :) [18:01] Tadgy: good one, /proc/mounts : /dev/sdb7 /mnt/hd ext4 rw,relatime,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0 [18:01] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [18:01] hayaza (~damengkje@125.166.191.128) joined ##slackware. [18:01] xdoctor (~Joseph@201.78.125.239) joined ##slackware. [18:01] lol, then all my woes have been to no good purpose for quite a while :D [18:01] The difference is also why you *shouldn't* symlink /etc/mtab -> /proc/mounts [18:01] No need to tell all this to newbs next time then, slava_dp [18:01] (but one would still specify these params on a stock slackware 13.0, I presume) [18:01] /etc/mtab should show the actual mount options specified, not the implied ones. [18:02] alienBOB, I had good intents. [18:02] does 13.1 support btrfs? [18:02] slava_dp: I've not specified it on my Slack 13.0 machines, and they mount with the options you specify as default. [18:03] Herman (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:03] Tadgy, good to know that. I'll see to my boxes on Monday :) [18:03] in cfdisk, there is a field called [label] what is that for? [18:03] khider: to label a partition [18:03] khider, man tune2fs, search for 'label' [18:03] duet (~duet@71.21.89.86) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:04] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:04] when udev/hal automount uses that label for a directory [18:04] khider: It shows the label you specify when you -L "label" in mkfs or tune2fs [18:04] cpuobsessed: Like root, swap and /home? [18:04] Tadgy: Oh, okay, I get it now [18:04] khider: swap isn't mounted per se [18:05] sorta' more like under /mnt or /media [18:05] been a while since i used slack [18:06] hayaza (~damengkje@125.166.191.128) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [18:06] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host213-122-218-113.range213-122.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:06] khider: you may want to read the slackbook [18:07] I have sda1 with a bootable flag, sda2 that is swap, and sda 3 that uses the bal;ance of the space. I do not see anything that indicates what is root, swap, and home so I guess SDA1, SDA2, and SDA3 is sufficient for that? [18:08] (with the exception of swap) [18:08] khider: did you select [write] then [quit]? [18:08] cpuobsessed: No, I am waiting [18:08] i don't think they get labeled until you run setup [18:09] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:09] khider, yes, write your changes and run setup [18:09] cpuobsessed: Gotcha, thanx! [18:09] they don't get labelled, unless you *label* them :) [18:09] Unless *you* label them - using tune2fs after setup formats the partitions. [18:10] There's no option to label in setup AFAIK [18:10] Grifulkin (~Ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:10] You can add labels later [18:10] Action: cpuobsessed needs to stop speaking from slackware 12 time frame [18:11] time to pull out the spare 40gb hd and put the slack in it [18:11] root in ext4, huh? The boot file for my Gentoo boxis in ext 2, Ha! [18:11] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:12] hayaza (~damengkje@125.166.173.9) joined ##slackware. [18:12] Aaaa fresh Gentoo install cannot even read ext 4 in Gentoo, so Slack is pretty ahead it seems [18:12] hahah [18:12] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:12] we just use lilo and not grub [18:12] Gentoo uses grub, which can't read the newer format ext4 filesystem to get the kernel. [18:12] lilo doesn't have that issue as it uses physical addresses. [18:12] Tadgy: grub2 can [18:13] slava_dp: Yeah, I have had SO MUVH TROUBLE with Grub! I have to fsck frequently so my computer can find the boot folder [18:13] does slackware 13.1 support btrfs? [18:13] You mean grub2changeseverythingsoitsapininthearse? [18:13] *much trouble* [18:13] yeah btrfs-tools its in testing/ [18:13] cpuobsessed: Look in the extra/ dir [18:14] Or is it testing/ ? [18:14] Either way, your answer lies within one of those. [18:16] what is in brtrfs-tools? things like fsck etc? [18:16] jonatan (~jonatan@81-226-63-190-no179.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:16] hayaza (~damengkje@125.166.173.9) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:17] Herman (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [18:18] mkfs/fsck/etc? [18:18] its btrfs-progs btw [18:18] yeah seems so [18:18] do you know if there's a converter to/from the ext family? [18:19] mancha: are you talking from ext2/3/4 or ext to something else [18:19] there are how-tos for either [18:19] ext{2,3,4} to brtfs [18:19] probably not [18:20] mancha: i just read something about that, btrfs adds more metadata to the existing ext3/4 fs [18:20] backup; mkfs.btrfs ; restore; beer [18:20] fallen_ (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:20] 4 [18:21] Action: cpuobsessed points mancha to https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Conversion_from_Ext3 [18:21] btrfs wiki [18:22] cool. seems it is btrfs-convert [18:22] m1ck3y (~mickey@c-68-40-206-140.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:22] which shoudl be part of the brtfs-tools/progs sahko, is it there? [18:22] fallen (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) joined ##slackware. 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[20:34] Cr1kk4: all is not in today. [20:35] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [20:37] there is fairly popular too [20:37] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:38] Perhaps they are brothers. [20:38] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:39] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt5-port-155.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:39] NeanT (~me@79.115.163.249) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:39] ananke (~ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [20:40] another devel cycle begins:) [20:43] sinuhe (~sinuhe@63.164.47.229) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:45] lokii (~bort@pool-96-237-68-150.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:45] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:47] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:47] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:47] greetings and salutations [20:47] hey [20:49] jlarrew (~WallRat00@c-68-43-1-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:50] rafu (~slackrunn@77.53.11.107) joined ##slackware. [20:53] gramulhao (~gramulhao@c-76-110-248-244.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:53] gramulhao (~gramulhao@c-76-110-248-244.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:54] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [20:56] rafu (slackrunn@77.53.11.107) left ##slackware. [20:56] lokii (~bort@pool-96-237-68-150.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:57] procyonlabs (~randy@pool-173-69-175-97.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] arfon (~arfon@ppp-70-253-90-91.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] AlienBOB, you on? [20:59] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] Cr1kk4 (~fabio@93-45-134-176.ip102.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:01] xdoctor (~Joseph@201.78.125.239) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:01] Anyone have the instructions on how to make a Slackware install USB drive (with all of the packages included)? [21:02] just pxe boot [21:02] arfon: i think there are instruction on the ftp server [21:03] Sorry, Z, which FTP server? [21:03] arfon, just partition it, make one partition the slack installer and the other the slack dvd [21:03] you can just mount the second partition and point the installer at it [21:03] slackware-13.1/usb-and-pxe-installers [21:04] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:usbboot [21:04] Damn Ed, why didn't I think of that!? (not sarcasm) [21:04] i'm just not sure if the usb installer will go onto a partition like that...might take some work [21:04] I don't care what the Debian guys say, you guys are helpful! [21:06] arfon: if you have a Slackware rsynced tree and make your own iso you can also use isohybrid [21:06] Ed, that's basically how I installed it on my net book, I used the small USB bott img and then mounted a portable disc drive. [21:06] Oh Sahko, you kidder! That's WAY too much work for me. :) [21:06] ok, good night [21:07] edman007: you refering to alienBOB's instructions? [21:07] arfon, the scripts to do it are in the tree... [21:08] andarius, not exactly, just what i would think to do...looking now to see how [21:08] did alienBOB write direction on doing that? [21:09] samba security update has been issued (may have already been mentioned, but just in case)) [21:10] samba has been upgraded in current [21:10] slacKManic (~fagner@187.56.72.198) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:10] not in stable though [21:10] oh wait, stable too [21:11] arfon, http://slackware.mirrors.pair.com/slackware-13.1/usb-and-pxe-installers/ read the usbimg2disk.sh in there, says it will take the tree and make a bootable usb thumb drive with everything [21:11] edman007: see the link I dropped a few back [21:11] this affects versions of slackware 10-13 [21:11] andarius, you want me to click links? i'm lazy...and about to reboot [21:11] your loss [21:11] shonudo: indeed, all seem to have been patched [21:12] andarius, i clicked...looks like it is old, the usbimg2disk.sh script in 13.1 is basically the same thing, but in a pretty script [21:13] does anyone have(or know where to look for) slackware wallpapers that are in higher resolutions than the ones on slackadelic? [21:13] that script must be pretty new though... [21:13] alienBOB: has described many usb method installations in his blog [21:13] i really like a couple of them, but they are way too small... [21:13] edman007: rather than skip parts, read it all and you would not seem so lost ;) [21:14] andarius, aww...well i'm not that interested...but i believe you [21:14] xdoctor (~Joseph@201.79.243.62) joined ##slackware. [21:14] andarius, off to test the new kernel [21:14] bye [21:14] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:14] Nigromante (~Nigromant@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [21:16] Nigromante (~Nigromant@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:17] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [21:18] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-71-128.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [21:18] cpuobsessed (~cpuobsess@adsl-074-183-121-238.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:18] Reading it now [21:19] loboeste1ario (~Juan@190.27.144.210) joined ##slackware. [21:20] Nick change: loboeste1ario -> el_lobo--d-_-b [21:20] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@190.27.144.210) left irc: Changing host [21:20] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [21:20] apparently the microcenter nearest to vbatts and me sells slackware 13.0 for $50 and 12.1 for $10 (and freebsd 8.0 for $40 and 7.0 for $23) [21:20] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [21:20] interesting [21:20] I didn't know about that script, time to buy a big usb stick :P [21:21] Action: ang advocates for pxeboot! down with usb installations! [21:21] ang, ever the purist [21:22] ang, you have linux on a zipit ? [21:23] well, sorta...the zipit runs linux natively...there are some ways to access the userland [21:23] did i mention that here? how'd you know? [21:23] yeah, you mentioned that a while back... it piqued my interest [21:24] it's a neat little device...you can flash it with u-boot and a newer kernel, etc, etc. but i'm not brave enough yet [21:24] yeah, nice price as well :D [21:24] bricking it requires soldering some wires to the board to expose the serial port [21:24] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [21:25] i'd attempt it, but probably fail :P [21:25] or if you screw up the boot loader, then you need jtag [21:25] has a 2.6 already on it ? [21:25] trhodes: yeah, it's neat....right now i'm using an enhanced shell on it [21:25] yeah, 2.6.21.x i believe [21:26] not bad [21:26] Linux (none) 2.6.21.1 #162 Wed Nov 28 15:21:59 EST 2007 armv5tel unknown [21:26] how do you install software on it? via cross compilation ? [21:27] Action: jeev loves pxe install [21:27] people were getting them for $25 or even $12.50 when they went on clearance at Target. now it's sold online only [21:27] wow #161 [21:27] wow #1612 [21:27] 162. [21:27] i saw them at target before I knew what they were :/ [21:27] trhodes: yeah, seems to be what everyone is doing [21:27] padhu (~Padhu@175.40.14.154) left irc: Quit: Bye....... [21:27] i had never heard of it.....came across a post on /. when there was an article on that ben nanonote thing [21:28] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-203.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [21:29] so far i'm surviving 13.1, but will need to rebuild cryptutils [21:29] nixfreak (4518ac66@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.24.172.102) joined ##slackware. [21:29] trhodes: the developers sort of left a backdoor for you to run your own stuff on it....if there is a specific script in the root of the SD card, you can take over and run your own apps...right now i'm just running a newer busybox and dropbear :) [21:29] neat :) [21:30] trying to install slackware on UNetbootin from win7 but not seeing slackware image at all [21:30] banditman (~djt@92.14.121.15) joined ##slackware. [21:30] err not install load [21:30] banditman (~djt@92.14.121.15) left irc: Client Quit [21:35] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:35] johndee (~id@95-29-189-217.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. 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[21:47] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:47] rworkman, ping [21:47] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:48] nixfreak (4518ac66@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.24.172.102) joined ##slackware. [21:48] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:48] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [21:49] installing on a eeepc 900 could I use ext4 or would it be better to use ext2 [21:49] nixfreak, ext4 [21:49] nixfreak, the whole sd lifespan thing is exaggerated when your sd media is modern [21:49] ok cool [21:50] har (~harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:50] solid state drives dont like journaling. is is an SSD ? [21:50] trhodes: it's also surprisingly easy to type on [21:50] the older ones were a big deal, the modern ones are not [21:50] yeah its in ssd [21:50] ang: nice, i kinda wondered [21:50] solid state drives are fine with journaling [21:50] ignore the rumors and hype [21:50] altho, of course the screen is kinda small :) [21:50] i have been using ext4 fine for a while now [21:50] yes, they are fine, but why do more writes when you know they are limited? [21:50] since slackware 13 [21:50] yes but the average home user doesn't do a lot of writes [21:50] so what ??? [21:50] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [21:51] your call, I would not [21:51] I'm not average home user though [21:51] I compile and develop [21:51] hmm anybody using virtualbox and have internet working in a slackware guest machine ? [21:51] if you must do it on that machine, then rethink [21:51] I am more in the command line then anything [21:51] nixfreak: regardless of use, SSDs are limited in read/writes [21:51] journaling burns some of that up [21:51] seriously, i compile on my other machine, and/or use alienbob and rworkman's repos [21:51] i don't see any problems [21:52] so what should I use [21:52] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6AB07.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:52] how limited ssd are in writes is up to the device and your use thoug [21:52] h [21:52] i read an article where the guy did the math and the half-life time was 70 years [21:52] no, the device, use has nothing to do with a device having a publshed number [21:52] you can take steps to alleviate writes, but its up to you [21:53] like i make /tmp tmpfs [21:53] still, it's up to you [21:53] I'll try it I just don't want 4 gigs to quickly run out [21:53] fsck of ext2 at certain intervals may eat up read cycles [21:53] nixfreak, you only have 4gb? [21:53] I use archlinux for over 2 years on it [21:53] ah you must've bought a 900A [21:53] yeah [21:53] yes [21:53] i own one too :) [21:53] i'm typing to you on it :) [21:53] cool [21:53] i upgraded the ssd to 16GB [21:54] my /home is essentially my SD card (16GB) [21:54] and my ram to 2GB [21:54] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) joined ##slackware. [21:54] yeah I am going to do that to but want to try out slack on a eeepc I already have it on another laptop old as shit thought [21:54] (more RAM = less potential of swapping out) [21:54] though [21:54] yeah I should upgrade the ram [21:54] slack on the 900A > their own linux install [21:55] 2gb is the max iirc [21:55] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.28.141) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:55] crashdata (~crashdata@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:55] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:55] as for compiling, you *could* also do that on a removable usb drive or something else to minimize its effects on your machine [21:55] (writes) [21:55] goj (~goj@p5488FCC9.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:55] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:55] yeah thats true [21:55] is all of that really worthwhile? [21:55] so you use ext4 on your eeepc [21:55] Delahunt [21:56] yep [21:56] k [21:56] (with options) [21:56] there is a way to write-align it to the SSD's natural stripe boundary [21:56] i forget how but there's a website on it [21:56] anyone here configured a usb modem before? (Huawei E620)? [21:56] fhobia: yes [21:57] all just stick to ext2 untill I upgrade space and ram thanks for the info though [21:57] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.25.67) joined ##slackware. [21:57] ang: i switched to dhcp, and i think i'll be ok now [21:57] s/all/i\ll/ [21:57] s/all/i\'ll/ [21:57] the original eeepc OS for the 900A had like four partitions, and one or two were read-only [21:57] they had taken great pains to make the SSD last a long time [21:58] yeah but it the journaling that is going to kill me though [21:58] but me, i just bought a bigger one :) i should be fine on space for the rest of my life lol [21:58] expecially with the log files [21:58] you think it will kill you. i used it fine on mine [21:58] you can stop the system logger (but i would not) [21:58] i had the 4gb installed for like several months [21:59] oh well, it's up to you [21:59] and you never got close to the max [21:59] Action: Delahunt is now Away [22:00] XGizzmo (~XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:01] XGizzmo (~XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [22:03] ang: its working :) thanks for morale support [22:03] lol, np [22:04] damn wpa_supplicant isn't on the usb install ? [22:05] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-51-191.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:05] Heya,folks [22:07] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:08] hey has anyone ever come across a "Juniper" firewall - Iamjust wondering if there is a way to use the "spd" file to get through my work firewall without resorting to "doze" platform.... [22:09] can you do a wlan install for slackware ? [22:10] thrice` (thrice@slackadelic.com) joined ##slackware. [22:10] thrice` (thrice@slackadelic.com) left irc: Changing host [22:10] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [22:11] crashdata (~crashdata@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:12] crashdata (~crashdata@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:12] where doyou get wvdial? [22:13] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [22:13] nixfreak: no [22:13] damn [22:13] that sux [22:13] asarch (~asarch@189.188.147.162) joined ##slackware. [22:14] I am sure you could find a way to do it. [22:14] yeah I need wpa_supplicant though [22:14] I could probably do it using another usb drive maybe [22:15] nixfreak: requires getting the driver, wpa_s, and the wireless-tools [22:15] You can't disable wireless encryption just to get it installed? [22:16] not that this time no [22:16] ercula (~ercula@174-20-111-177.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] its cool I'll figure it out thanks [22:20] sbs` (~mfd@unaffiliated/sbs/x-6460670) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:21] jrodger, check http://alumnit.ca/wiki/?WvStreams [22:22] telperion (~Adium@190.156.36.117) joined ##slackware. [22:23] MLanden: I checked, and under 13.1 is deprecated???? I can get from the 13.0 build but it has all sortsof errors,thanks for the info thoughwill have a look [22:23] |Slacker| (~tanis@200.175.193.201.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:25] jrodger, np...good luck [22:26] MLanden, thanks mate...... [22:26] davimint (~david@c-76-123-149-120.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:27] big_bass (~big_bass@187.140.84.37) joined ##slackware. [22:28] telperion (Adium@190.156.36.117) left ##slackware. [22:28] davimint (~david@c-76-123-149-120.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:28] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:29] big_bass (~big_bass@187.140.84.37) left irc: Changing host [22:29] big_bass (~big_bass@unaffiliated/bigbass/x-81725) joined ##slackware. [22:32] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [22:33] big_bass (~big_bass@unaffiliated/bigbass/x-81725) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:35] sbs (~mfd@CPE001ee57a9930-CM001a6683085e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [22:35] sbs (~mfd@CPE001ee57a9930-CM001a6683085e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [22:37] sbs`x (~mfd@unaffiliated/sbs/x-6460670) joined ##slackware. [22:37] jrodger, with the updates to gcc since wvstream's release and the change of its maintainer check here for some updated information http://groups.google.com/group/wvstreams-devel/topics [22:39] MLanden, thanks mate....seems there's also this "ModemManager" that apparently looks similar..... [22:40] crashdata (~crashdata@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:41] sbs`x (~mfd@unaffiliated/sbs/x-6460670) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:41] exit [22:41] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [22:41] oops lol [22:42] gh0st_ (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:42] herbz (kat@tokes.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:43] herbz (kat@tokes.nl) joined ##slackware. [22:44] arfon (~arfon@ppp-70-253-90-91.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:45] jrodger, yeah,seen that posted with references to EVDO...is this pertaining to your firewall or to another device? [22:46] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [22:46] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [22:48] Mlanden: I think I should take baby-steps.....I want to get my modem working then I can start tackling the firewall issue, or wait the short time to get the CISCO client which we shouldbe changing to soon. [22:51] jrodger, lol...understood,just know of the rudimental steps myself [22:52] I'd be better if I didn't have to administer "doze" for the moronic masses......I'm a System admin and cannot get away from Windows at the moment [22:55] rheault (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:55] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [22:57] figabo (~figabo@201.164.209.224) joined ##slackware. [22:58] Bl0tt0 (~Bl0tt0@fsf/member/bl0tt0) joined ##slackware. [22:58] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:59] crashdata (~crashdata@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:00] asamoah (~caio@190.244.49.108) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:01] ridout (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:03] jrodger, hopefully,the change might alleviate some situations [23:03] thanks [23:03] MLanden: what do you do for work? [23:04] jrodger, non tech at the moment [23:04] interesting [23:09] figabo (~figabo@201.164.209.224) left irc: Quit: Computer has gone to sleep [23:09] nixfreak (4518ac66@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.24.172.102) left irc: Quit: Page closed [23:10] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:10] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:10] just one who uses linux on a personal level [23:13] jrodger, many non-SA linux users in your area? [23:14] SA? [23:14] nyRednek, system administrators [23:14] MLanden: ah [23:15] MLanden: depending on the area, i'm not an SA, but i have used slackware for more than a decade [23:15] non-SA?not sure, I preach it at work but they're all comfortable with "doze" [23:16] nyRednek, same here....was a dual-booter,before VBox caught up...:D [23:16] I cannot even get my wife to use linux, and her pc runs like crap under "doze" [23:17] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-60-20.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:17] jrodger, does happen....what model? [23:17] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-60-20.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [23:17] MLanden: i started using slack with 3.6 [23:18] MLanden: and i remember making floppy sets for it [23:19] khider (~khider@CPE00226b4dc6c8-CM001868522c6c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:19] MLanden: she's running a Sony Viao with WXP, and the noise that comes out of that....DAMN! [23:20] jrodger: slack 13.1 should rock on it [23:20] jrodger: and you can always install gdm with autologin(she might not immediately notice) [23:20] I'm running a Lenovo S10-2 netbook, and it leaves her machine for dead [23:21] think started with either 3.9 or 4.0..then went to mess with freebsd 3x...had to try KDE1 and KDE2..:D [23:21] MLanden: i just messed with bsd long enough to call myself familiar with how it is different from linux [23:22] I tried allthe KDEs, and Gnomes then LXDE because it was all shiny [23:23] Action: Delahunt loves xfce and is very loyal to it [23:23] xfce4 user as well [23:23] xfce and fvwm user [23:24] nyRednek, with or without crystal? [23:24] heaumer (~heaumer@ks23738.kimsufi.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:25] heaumer (~heaumer@ks23738.kimsufi.com) joined ##slackware. [23:27] xfce and cli here (cli is just a new thing so I'm still on training wheels [23:27] jrodger, true...with many ways to fake the XP...might be able to tame the beast with that Vaio [23:28] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: I thought I could handle any sight, then I got online [23:28] I think the Viao is shaking itself to pieces....she has a Toshiba r400 sitting in the cupboard as a spaore [23:28] spare..... [23:30] MLanden: without [23:31] MLanden: i just modify the standard slackware fvwm2 config to fit the menu i want, and to give me my buttons vertical, winlist, FvwmTalk [23:31] nyRednek, hear ya [23:32] MLanden: i also add gdm and modify stock XScreenSaver to deal with the "New Login" button that can be handled by gdmflexiserver [23:32] MLanden: i see gdm as better than kdm [23:33] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-203.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:35] nyRednek, kdm can be problematic with some WM's [23:36] MLanden: yeah, kdmctl reserve isn't as elegant as gdmflexiserver -as [23:41] nyRednek, speaking 'bout FVWM,have you messed with some the "newer" wm dockapps? been messing with a few with xfce4's wmdock [23:46] M1ck3y (~Jon@c-68-40-206-140.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:47] Hi all. [23:48] M1ck3y, heya [23:48] MLanden: How's it going? [23:49] M1ck3y, goin' good thanks...yourself? [23:49] I'm going to duck outand grab some lunch, catch you all later [23:49] take care,jrodger..good luck [23:49] MLanden: Good! I went to my first LUG meeting last night. It was sweet.. lotta crazy old white men with big beards though.. :) [23:50] M1ck3y, lol....'buntu users? [23:50] surprisingly a ton! I thought I'd find a lotta slack vets or what not. But TONS of 'buntu folk. [23:52] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [23:53] |Slacker| (~tanis@200.175.193.201.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:53] M1ck3y, hear ya...shame not one who uses Gentoo or RedHat or Suse in one form or 'nother..:) [23:54] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:54] MLanden: No shame, just way different then I had thought.. really intelligent folks... just figured they'd want more control than 'buntu offers. [23:54] MLanden: have swallowed wm applets in buttons [23:55] PenPerkInc (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:56] jasper_carrot (~sixx@212.183.140.41) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:56] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [23:56] MrJackson (Mr@rm2348361283.main.ad.rit.edu) joined ##slackware. [23:57] nyRednek, came 'cross wmrss and ticker.app(5.0) to mess with a few scripts that I wa using with conky [23:58] M1ck3y, may be a few of 'em who're multi-booters so you never know...:) [23:59] MLanden: True true, either way they were pretty nice and super knowledgable. And it was nice meeting another non-virtual person who likes Linux. [00:00] --- Sat Jun 19 2010