[00:00] what reason? [00:00] i want found setup it .but no have [00:01] Aw, you're cute. [00:02] why ? i don't cute.. [00:02] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.242) joined ##slackware. [00:02] Prefe (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:02] Sure you do. [00:02] And does the desktop only switch when your cursor is on task bar? [00:02] tpollard_ (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [00:03] Nick change: Spanish_Inquisit -> NaCl [00:03] not on any bar ...mouse at empty on desktop [00:03] slack_china, I think you're talking about workspaces. When you scroll your middle-mouse button, it's supposed to cycle through work spaces. [00:03] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [00:03] Nick change: tpollard_ -> tpollard [00:03] sladegen (n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen) joined ##slackware. [00:04] ficthe you are right...it 's this [00:04] slack_china, I don't know then.. but I suppose one possible solution would be to just have one workspace (such a thing should be configurable in ..some set-up window, look "Number of Desktops" or something like that) [00:05] look for* anyway, I'm off. good luck :) there's #KDE for when you have specific questions about KDE 4 [00:05] i know this ..ficthe [00:05] people, my firefox locks up relay often, its getting really annoying, i looked on the web and there are no explanations why is it happening. i have noticed that firefox-bin takes up a lot of memory, so occasionally i have to kill it.. and start over [00:06] #join kde [00:06] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-71-229-156-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:07] SmallBaggyBungal (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Say good night to the bad guy." [00:07] slack_china: /join #kde [00:07] sorry.thanks pupit [00:07] np [00:09] pupit: have you run 'firefox' in a shell to see if it is giving some type of error output? [00:09] lostnhell: u mean, to start it from shell? no i havent [00:09] np = no problem ?? [00:09] ill try it now [00:10] slack_china: yes [00:10] pupit: I was having an issue with the startup speed of firefox myself, and a quick launch from shell showed the library that was causing the delay [00:10] you're cute pupit [00:11] taquito (i=1000@75.22.56.2) joined ##slackware. [00:11] lostnhell: how long did it take to startup? [00:11] pupit, It was taking between 1 and 2 minutes [00:11] wow [00:11] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:11] deplorable (i=1000@207.144.235.33) joined ##slackware. [00:12] so long. [00:12] Hello again. [00:12] after I removed the bad package( which was supposed to speed up the applications), firefox resumed the 1/2 second startup that I am used to [00:13] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) joined ##slackware. [00:13] lostnhell: i have found on some blogs, that people make new profiles [00:13] recover /usr/lib/firefox with new firefox do you try? [00:13] but i dont see, how is the new profile solving the problem.. [00:14] pupit, you don't need a new profile, if you think it may be from some addins or firefox cache you can run 'rm -r ~/.firefox' which will remove all forefox data from your profile. [00:14] what data? [00:14] cache? [00:15] pupit: cache, bookmarks, etc. [00:15] I'm looking for information I couldn't find in the xorg.conf man page. It mentions option settings for the Monitor section: VendorName and ModelNumber. Is specifying these values enough to invoke a kernal driver if one is present? [00:16] pupit, that will contain the themes, add-ins, temp files, cookies, bookmarks, etc.. you can also just rename the dir to .firefox_old to retain the data and replace pieces as you wish [00:16] huh, i have a lot of bookmarks, but i snyc them with foxmarks.. [00:16] deplorable no those are arbitrary, just for use in the modes section [00:16] pupit: If you were to remove .firefox, you could always export them first to somewhere to save them and import them later if need be. [00:16] export bookmarks I mean. [00:16] deplorable, as I am aware no drivers are necessary for the monitor itself, the drivers are necessary for the video card output [00:17] firebird619: i understand [00:17] thanks for help people [00:18] I've been working with xorg.conf and finally got my monitor up to 90%. The full resolution spectrum is suddenly available. Unfortunately, I wasn't very methodical. If those specifications didn't do it, I guess it was my manipulation of the HorizSync and VertRefresh values. yes? [00:18] I configured the "Radeon" driver first with no luck in terms of resolution. [00:19] deplorable, have you tried running xorgsetup to see if it will autodetect most options? [00:19] If it wasn't the Vendor...Model..., The H and V are all it could be. I just want to double check with people who would know. [00:19] No. I've just been reading man pages and changing text files with Vi M [00:20] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [00:20] I did download a Windows driver (from a sketchy site), mousepad the .inf file and pull the H and V values from there. [00:20] deplorable, sync ranges are VERY important, look your monitor up on google, or better yet the manufacturer's website [00:21] I pulled them from a Windows .inf. Dangerous? [00:21] sometimes they are even printed on a label on the back [00:21] possibly, much better to get the data from the manufacturer/manual [00:21] I pulled the Model Number and Vender from the label on the back but no refresh values were there. [00:21] The manufacturer went bankrupt years ago. I found that out while searching for the information. [00:22] My monitor is a CyberMax from 1999. [00:22] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Saindo" [00:22] The site is gone. Only three search results mention my monitor. Two were other people looking from drivers in 2003 and another year. lol [00:23] It's working; all of the resolutions I'm use to are visible. I'm just trying to understand exactly why. [00:23] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-166-220.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:23] deplorable, what make and model are you running? [00:24] Just a second. I have them written here. [00:24] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-229-156-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:24] CyberMax CX900A AT1097F [00:25] Manufacturer Product_Name Model_Number [00:26] Currently reporting Mode:USER3 H: 67.50KHZ+ V: 74+ [00:27] Mad_Dud (n=Mad_Dud@c108-226.icpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:27] deplorable, I also could not find any relative information. backup your current xorg.conf file and give xorgsetup a try to see what it can pull and how it performs. the V 74 seems wierd, no onitor I have used has needed to range beyond the 50-70 range. [00:28] My modified xorg.conf settings (do they sound off): HorizSyc: 30.0 -96.0 VertRefresh: 50.0 -150.0 [00:28] Pulled from the Windows .inf [00:28] deplorable, Yeah they sound off [00:29] deplorable, the ranges are far too great [00:29] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:29] I should drop both limits to 70? [00:29] 30 -70 50 -70? [00:29] deplorable, try xorgsetup first [00:29] ok [00:29] Thanks for the help. [00:30] Mad_Dud (n=Mad_Dud@c108-226.icpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [00:30] I will be here waiting to see how it works [00:30] xdan779 (n=daniel@64-233-207-75.static.nap.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [00:30] Before I do that, do these settings have anything to do with the sudden appearance of the higher resolution options? [00:31] deplorable, yes the setting will cause additional unusable option to appear [00:31] The only settings that have appeared and seem unusual are very low 600xsomethings@74 [00:32] I'll run xorgsetup now [00:32] brb [00:33] jga (n=gajon@189.217.127.251) joined ##slackware. [00:33] It seems I can't use su for this. I'll have to logout. I'll be back in a few minutes. [00:33] Thanks for the help. [00:33] deplorable (i=1000@207.144.235.33) left irc: "Leaving" [00:33] deplorable, use su on or login to another tty using .....too late [00:36] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:38] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-90.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:38] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-71-65.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:40] unixjazz (n=fido@189.74.244.17) left irc: "Leaving" [00:40] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:41] deplorable (i=1000@207.144.235.63) joined ##slackware. [00:41] sladegen (n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen) left ##slackware. [00:42] Server layout now says x.org configured. [00:42] Skaperen (n=phil@c-24-131-205-87.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:42] Strange results. HorizSync 30.0 - 96.0, VertRefresh 50.0 - 180.0 [00:42] deplorable, have you run startx to see if it works? [00:42] yes [00:42] I'm in x now [00:43] deplorable, full screen? [00:43] Not sure what you mean. [00:43] startx [00:43] I went into Xfce for quick access to the display settings. [00:43] deplorable, you stated that it was at 90%, are you getting everything that you were looking for? [00:44] no [00:44] 24 bit color depth instead of 32 [00:44] I'm certain the card is capable. I ran it under 32 under Windows before switching this system to Slackware. [00:44] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-71-229-156-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [00:45] Do the HSync and VSync settings seem unreasonable. VertRefresh is higher than I manually set it. [00:45] deplorable, 32 bit depth = 24 in linux [00:46] ok [00:46] What is 32 in Linux? It's listed in xorg.conf [00:46] the colour in 32 bit in windows is 24 depth with some extra bits for something I don't recall [00:47] probably alpha or some such [00:47] ok. Thanks. [00:47] I'm looking at my Graphics card in the new config. It seems to be set too. [00:47] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-229-156-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:48] bird (n=lee@96.240.45.172) joined ##slackware. [00:49] I think I may store a copy of this somewhere off disk and try to figure out all of the details later. For now, it's working. I'll just try to be happy. lol [00:49] does anybody know why sometimes when i go to a certain website that it redirects to a completely diffrent site? [00:49] slack_china (n=zxcc_119@119.48.152.101) left irc: [00:49] like for instance when i go to 4chan it takes me to bbc's 404 page [00:50] bird, it sounds like a proxy redirection [00:50] lostnhell, like the website is redirecting me? [00:51] becuase its happened with google too before [00:51] You mean, you went to the google site and ended up somewhere unrelated? [00:51] can happen that some sites redirect but it sounds more like you are using a proxy [00:51] or your isp is doing it [00:51] I don't think 4chan would redirect your, but your isp or some other source in the middle may be doing the redirection. [00:52] I've heard of some ISP provided routers that do that for sites that cannot be found [00:53] hmm, usually it starts to work again after some time, i was just wondering why it does that [00:53] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [00:54] deplorable, yeah its done that before lol but its not doing that now for google [00:54] yeah see now it works again, very odd [00:54] bird, if you are on a home network who is your isp? [00:55] yeah im on a home, its verizon [00:55] they do proxy via router [00:56] yeah they make you use their own router, so that normal? [00:56] I can see the people who were helping me are busy helping someone else right now. Whenever you guys are free, I have one last question about the generated xorg.conf file. [00:56] deplorable, just ask [00:56] o sorry about that deplorable [00:57] There are a lot of driver optons commented out. [00:57] there usually is [00:57] deplorable, ask away, we can multitask [00:57] I was wondering if, since the file is on my system, it may have loaded the proprietary drivers instead of the x.org. [00:57] No problem bird. I've been asking questions for a while. [00:58] In fact, my problem is solved thanks to this channel. [00:58] deplorable, it is using the x drivers, propriatary drivers have to be tied to the kernel [00:58] dartmouth (n=root@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:58] Just a follow up. [00:58] you might want to use Option "DPMS" "true", Option "RenderAccel" "True", Option "DRI" "True" [00:58] ok [00:58] deplorable, you ever get your wireless working? [00:58] I haven't started working on the laptop yet. XP is still sitting on it. I did download ndiswrapper. [00:59] dartmouth (n=root@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [00:59] Including the laptop, I have three systems to convert, so I'm taking it one at a time. [00:59] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:59] dive At least some of those options are active. [00:59] I haven't gone through the entire list yet. [01:00] if you find you have black squares instead of images in firefox, add this: Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true" in device section [01:00] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:00] I see some aren't. Writting them down. I'm not root and can't change them just yet. [01:01] su [01:01] ok [01:01] changing. [01:02] ok guys, I am glad I helped someone tonight, I'm off to bed [01:02] nn [01:02] lostnhell: good night [01:02] Good night lostnhell. [01:02] Thanks again for your help. [01:02] lostnhell (n=Unknown@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:03] SiegeX: ping [01:03] AGPFastWrite? [01:03] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:03] Nevermind [01:04] deplorable, that's really up to whether your card and bios support it [01:04] I haven't looked into that at all. I probably shouldn't bug you guys for every question that pops into my head. lol [01:04] it's worth a try [01:04] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:06] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [01:08] nullboy: Wake up! [01:08] ahhhh [01:08] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:08] jees stop shouting [01:08] Back shortly. I'm going to restartx to make sure the changes are in effect. [01:08] some of us are trying to sleep here [01:08] Hey, did you have to do something funky with the timing on your wireless connection? [01:08] jkwood: yeah, for wpa and dhcpcd [01:09] i tweaked them a bit [01:09] deplorable (i=1000@207.144.235.63) left irc: "Leaving" [01:09] How much time did you need? [01:09] s/did/do/ [01:09] wpawait is 15 and dhcp timeout is 8 [01:10] 15 seconds? [01:10] DHCP_TIMEOUT[4]=8, WLAN_WPAWAIT[4]=15 [01:10] Ah, okay. [01:10] yeah, you'll have to read rc.inet1 if you want to know what they actually do, i forget the specifics [01:10] Thanks. =) [01:10] hope it works [01:11] deplorable (i=1000@207.144.234.199) joined ##slackware. [01:11] jkwood: some others have said that they needed different values though. i think it depends on the type of AP mostly [01:11] Everything looks good. Thanks again. cig break. brb Next, getting the print screen keys activated on my keyboard. lol [01:11] Hmm... that could make a difference, that's for sure. [01:13] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:13] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "leaving" [01:14] also, i don't even have an rc.wireless.conf in place. i removed it since i don't seem to need it at all, not sure if that would change timings of the whole process at all though [01:15] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:16] antler (i=46489790@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-aa1c272fcdb5adb8) joined ##slackware. [01:20] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:20] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [01:23] wow it's been more than three months since 12.2? *sigh* where does the time go? [01:23] bofh__ (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:24] http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=7107251 [01:24] I hope the next three months (and the subsequent next three months) go really quickly. I'm still on 12.1 -- waiting 'til 13 :) [01:25] 13? [01:25] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.242) left irc: "Leaving." [01:25] it's 12.34567890 so far [01:25] for real. [01:27] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:28] likewise, what would you calculate slack 13's arrival to be? 9 months? [01:28] waiting for the next version of such-and-such. man what's it all mean? [01:29] Action: antler is feeling philosophical :P [01:29] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/slackware-current-inst1.png [01:29] naturally it would mean it is in one way or another superior in functionality [01:29] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:29] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Connection reset by peer [01:30] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:30] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [01:30] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:31] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:31] 'superior in functionality', 'winning a new car', 'bangin' that blonde from the office'..... <------ (what's it all mean) [01:31] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:31] I'm on 12.2. Not that I would know, but it seems solid. Quite nice. :D [01:31] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Connection reset by peer [01:32] I'll be away for a second. I haven't installed libdvdcss yet, but I'm going to try to play an unencrypted DVD to see how many of the problems I was having the proper configuration of my video card has fixed. bbl [01:35] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:35] gwc (n=gwc@221.8.12.142) joined ##slackware. [01:35] nathanbw (n=nathan@67-60-226-125.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:36] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [01:36] None. I guess, that's something else to work on. [01:36] hey has anyone ordered a slackware t-shirt from store.slackware.com? [01:36] nullboy: I have [01:36] what shape person would medium fit? i'm 5'8 ~140 [01:37] nullboy: it should fit you then. I'm 5'10" and 165, and medium is perfect. [01:37] nice [01:38] good quality shirt too [01:38] that will be the only shirt i have with a logo lol [01:38] how old are you guys,may i ask? [01:38] I also have the same slack hat, and one of the older blue t-shirts [01:39] tux is nice [01:39] maybe I shouldn't say older, maybe the blue is still available..dunno [01:39] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [01:39] deplorable (i=1000@207.144.234.199) left irc: "Leaving" [01:39] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [01:41] deplorable (i=1000@207.144.234.199) joined ##slackware. [01:41] bird (n=lee@96.240.45.172) left irc: "Leaving" [01:41] gwc: i've noticed many age groups here [01:42] i'm 27 so apparently it's over for me [01:43] i'm 22, and nullboy is a midget [01:43] 25 [01:43] http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/17/148217 [01:43] gwc__ (n=gwc@221.8.12.142) joined ##slackware. [01:44] gwc, i think a better question is where are the girls? [01:44] nix_chix, did you die yet? [01:44] NO! [01:44] adrenaline (n=repsol@tuxhacker/adrenaline) left irc: Connection timed out [01:44] damn [01:44] gwc: see? now it's just the young guys who are eager to respond. they want to show off how young they still are, and remind the rest how we are to death. [01:44] nix_chix, does not seem safe to be in the same room as you anymore [01:44] you might blow... [01:44] i might kill some one first [01:45] :( [01:45] nix_chix, can you walk? [01:45] kill edman007 [01:45] antler: well 27 is the end [01:45] so 27 is the new 10 [01:45] lol [01:45] i mean 10 is the new 27 [01:45] antler, i might he frustrates me [01:45] i can still walk [01:46] "On a scae of 1 to 10, with 5 being the middle..." [01:46] that's right [01:47] i need to learn a scripting language to make myself feel better about that /. article [01:47] or any language [01:48] nullboy: 27's nothing. between 26 and 34 time slows down. after 34 time fast forwards <----worry at 34, not 27. [01:48] JavaScript. If you can untangle that, you know your brain is healthy. [01:48] nix_chix, nonsense, you are crippled, you can get me, and thus can't kill me [01:48] antler: i like that then [01:49] nullboy: http://www.tuxradar.com/content/programming-languages-melt-your-brain [01:49] why so many geezers in here? [01:49] lmao [01:50] edman007: quiet child [01:50] edman007, if i was able to fly right now i'd fly there, waddle , and then beat your ass:P [01:50] cHiOs (n=chio@adsl-75-50-251-55.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:50] should have done it the first time:P [01:50] Geezer? I 'ardly know 'er! [01:50] lol [01:51] i had my chance and it foiled [01:51] nix_chix: you need to position yourself on a turntable at the proper angles and then have someone slowly spinup the turntable and stop it quickly while you hold on [01:51] then he'd unspin [01:51] nix_chix, hahaha [01:51] i mean, despin [01:52] nix_chix, don't worry, i'll keep you on your toes [01:52] gah you drive me crazy [01:53] jkwood. That article is pretty funny: Programming Languages That Melt Your Brain [01:53] nix_chix: fsckin' beat his ass! [01:53] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:53] antler, this will take proper planning =) [01:53] I think that nullboy should learn Whitespace. [01:53] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [01:53] It's the ultimate in tin-foil-hat programming languages. [01:54] i'm going to train half a year haha not [01:55] that's awesome i need that [01:56] nix_chix, hahaha [01:57] antler, she can't get me! [01:57] she is going to be stuck over there for years [01:57] Well, I've been on one computer or another for about 14 hours now. It's not going to work, but I'm going to try to get some sleep. Good night. Thanks for the Radeon help. [01:57] never moving [01:57] deplorable (i=1000@207.144.234.199) left irc: "Leaving" [01:58] she ? [01:58] a girl? [01:58] gwc__, yes... [01:58] edman007, i wont be pregnant forever, i'll likely have to get induced in a few days. and once i get that 6 week go awhead afterwards, it's on [01:58] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@cda90.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [01:58] fyi if edman007 isn't on irc in a month or two you know why [01:58] hahah [01:59] it puts the lotion on it's skin.. i have a basement:) [01:59] but you can't leave your place, you will have a baby [01:59] you are stuck [02:00] gwc (n=gwc@221.8.12.142) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:00] lawl like i cant get him to watch the baby [02:00] edman007: you can babysit [02:00] haha [02:00] hes watchin him while i go to defcon [02:01] lol [02:01] Action: edman007 did you have red flashing lights installed in your house? [02:01] s/\/me// [02:01] :P [02:02] sleeping pill comming into effect [02:02] wth you took a sleeping pill? [02:03] antler, yea, she is getting all drugged up with a baby [02:03] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:03] it was given the ok from my dr :P [02:03] when she blows she is going to have a face hugger [02:03] edman007: haha [02:03] and i'll be safe over here [02:03] nullboy: http://ideology.com.au/polyglot/ [02:04] nini:) [02:04] that's one of the gnarliest scenes in a movie ever [02:04] the face hugger [02:04] nix_chix: actually, my wife's doc said that tylenol is ok for her.....surprised me [02:04] (my wife's pregnant,too) [02:04] antler, they gave me loratabs when i had tendonitis. it's alright if you don't abuse it [02:04] tylenol pm is ok to take as well [02:05] they gave me morphine for a cracked skull. morphine is never all right. it is always way out of control [02:05] i like that stuff :| [02:05] makes you itch [02:05] nix_chix, maybe your doc just wants you do go away... [02:06] you didn't like morphine, nullboy ? [02:06] hah [02:06] it's not really not liking it, you don't have a choice, you like it [02:06] that's what you end up disliking [02:06] well they dont have epidurals at my hospital so i'll probally end up with morphine [02:06] nullboy: ah [02:06] it's brutal [02:07] it's really hard,i am using stardict to get a clue what you guys said [02:08] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:08] gwc__: are you talking about the whole conversation or a specific question? [02:09] a translator would probably have a hard time with that conversation [02:09] the whole conversation,i am listening to you for a long time [02:09] is there any way to mount the bios chip for read/write in linux ? [02:10] Soul_keeper, not for all bioses [02:10] Soul_keeper: there are tools like libsmbios that give you some bios access [02:10] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423524.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:10] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423524.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:11] basically what i'm trying to do is hot swap an empty bios chip, then flash it (or dd an image to it) [02:11] kunal (i=kunal@123.237.40.142) joined ##slackware. [02:11] Soul_keeper, there are others options to suicide [02:11] is that even possible? [02:11] that's not how i've known bios to work [02:11] hotswapping is completely possible [02:11] i know the hotswapping is but not the dding [02:11] nullboy, he is suicidal [02:12] i just got a c2d motherboard with a corrupt bios laying around [02:12] dd command once destroied my hard disk [02:12] but if i boot dos and use their bios update utility it refuses to write their image to a bios chip unless it is on the identical motherboard model [02:12] gwc__: haha no no, you destroyed your hard disk with dd [02:12] they have some kind of check in their program [02:12] nullboy++ [02:13] gwc__: i'm sure most people in here have ruined something with dd at some point [02:13] Soul_keeper, better h4ck the update program then (even though I'm not sure it's a good idea) [02:13] yes ,i issued the command [02:13] just disassemble and bypass the check = [02:13] s/ =// [02:14] one time did dd if=/blankdisk of=/disk_i_need_a_copy_of [02:14] and then i waited [02:14] and waited...and only realized what i had done when fdisk showed 2 blank disks [02:15] haha [02:15] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: "Where ever you may be, be well. Namarië." [02:15] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [02:15] I did something like that once but stopped it quite quickly [02:15] at least it didn't destroy your information, [02:16] dd command can be interrupt? [02:16] sure [02:16] ctrl+c? [02:16] you can stop it but you'll have swiss cheese most times [02:16] shred is better at playing with hard drives, unlike dd, its kind enough to reverse after it runs something over [02:16] sure, with a mad combination of ^C and kill -9 [02:16] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:16] shred is pretty cool [02:17] I've never used shred, mostly because its manpage says it's useless for me [02:17] Action: antler like acronis :P [02:18] Camarade_Tux, its useful on block devices [02:18] i just use this http://qrbg.irb.hr/ [02:18] he, I don't use many either, except on my usb keys, or SD cards [02:18] doesn't everyone have a quantum RNG box on their desk? [02:20] no, I ditched it because it wouldn't fit together with the teleported in my apartment -_- [02:20] Action: ag3ntugly does [02:20] lol [02:20] nullboy: haha i thought you guys were talking abo9ut backing up. wtf is that thing?? [02:20] i'm got something to do and leave for a while [02:20] lol [02:21] it's a quantum random number generator, duh [02:21] antler, backing up for paranoid people [02:21] i use the QRNG box to create secure file names [02:21] Action: Soul_keeper smacks edman007 [02:21] Action: edman007 smacks Soul_keeper [02:21] it's so secure even i can't read it [02:22] i read the first sentence. wtf? (could be the thc kicking in, too, though) [02:22] Action: edman007 kills Soul_keeper with a scary MS IIS [02:22] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: No route to host [02:22] andrew_46 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew46/x-040147) joined ##slackware. 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[02:23] antler, afaict, it's photovoltaic effect but the other way round (remember everything is [nearly] reversable in physics) [02:24] nullboy, bah, i was reading all about that stuff last week, and how most hardware just implements it by xoring two clocks at very different frequency, and run 4 or so in parallel and xor those to get the data [02:24] so it's not really using a Q bit? [02:24] well, I read quite quickly but they rely on the reverse of the effect to emit some light and then rely on the effect to detect it [02:25] they just call it quantum because the underlying theory [02:25] nullboy, no [02:26] its random because photons are a discrete unit, an atom can't emit a half photon of energy, and when it emits the energy is defined by quantum mechanics as random [02:26] q bits means storing data in entangled particles [02:26] nullboy: you seem more interested in system security than network freelance work :P [02:26] like radio active decay random [02:27] exactly [02:27] only they use infrared light instead since everything gives it off [02:27] and it doesnt make your mushrooms glow green in the dark [02:28] haha [02:28] antler: i work on windows networks mostly, nothing as interesting as my hobby/lifestyle side of computers [02:28] technically though its related to the temperature, but the hardware will measure the temperature and use that to try and remove skew [02:30] i spent like 2 hours working on a slackbuild script for quagga last night....and then i found this http://bird.network.cz/ [02:31] this is what i looked like http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/cry.jpg [02:31] hahaha [02:31] i've done that [02:33] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [02:35] kunal (i=kunal@123.237.40.142) left irc: Connection timed out [02:37] German or Swiss clockmakers could have made a nice random number generator in the 19th century [02:37] a little clockwork robot that flips a quarter... [02:38] jerryc (n=chatzill@dnaml-syd-gw.aspac.customer.alter.net) joined ##slackware. [02:38] antler (i=46489790@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-aa1c272fcdb5adb8) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [02:39] oh snap [02:41] jerryc (n=chatzill@dnaml-syd-gw.aspac.customer.alter.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:42] suppose it wouldn't really work. Arm flips coin the same way every time, maybe it'd always come up heads [02:44] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-229-156-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:44] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-229-156-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[03:09] (not used gnome much, don't know what gnome-vfs is for) [03:10] SiegeX: I just wanted to thank you for the firewall script. With some modification it has worked out perfect. Very nice. :) [03:10] jga (n=gajon@189.217.127.251) left irc: "Leaving" [03:11] gwc___ (n=gwc@221.8.12.142) joined ##slackware. [03:15] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423524.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [03:15] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423524.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:15] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-148-165.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:16] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [03:17] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-8-226-79.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:17] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423524.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:17] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423524.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:17] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423524.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:17] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:18] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left ##slackware. [03:20] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423524.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:22] chopp: great, glad to hear it. Good for you for taking the time to read through it [03:23] eross (n=rem@6532142hfc81.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:24] ok i'm done banging my head against the wall. I'm wanting to play Savage 2, I've installed it but it tells me opengl2.1 not available. [03:24] gwc__ (n=gwc@221.8.12.142) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:24] SiegeX: setting up the slack firewall has been a learning experience. I'm glad I attempted it. [03:25] have latest slack installed on a phenom amd quad, with a nvidia 8800gts card installed, and nvidia driver 180.29 [03:25] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8828C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [03:25] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423524.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [03:25] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423524.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:25] morning [03:26] hi [03:26] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423524.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:26] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423524.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:28] chopp: learning iptables syntax vs using a generator is def a notch in the belt you want to have [03:29] chopp: this is perhaps the most important image to memorize (or lookup) with respect to iptables: http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/images/tables_traverse.jpg [03:30] knowing how the chains and tables are traversed for each packet is the foundation for a proper understanding of iptables. [03:31] Hello SiegeX [03:31] morning slackytude [03:31] SiegeX: I don't fully understand the traffic shaping, but I will sooner or later. [03:32] dtanner, morning [03:32] chrome 2.0 [03:32] Action: slackytude tests [03:32] hmm i have been wanting to try chrome [03:32] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:33] there is a version for linux now too [03:33] chromium [03:33] i was looking for it , where is the link slackytude ? [03:34] http://code.google.com/chromium/ [03:35] ubuntu has a pkg already, according toslashdot [03:35] hiya dtanner [03:36] chopp: I wouldn't be too worried about that. traffic shaping with 'tc' is not a trivial subject and I didn't even attempt it until I had been working with iptables for a few years. If you are interested you'll need to go read through lartc.org [03:37] slackytude: did you make a slackbuild for it ? [03:37] i really hope that recompiling ff with all the gnome crap enabled makes the interface better [03:37] nah, just looking at the site [03:37] the chromium site has .zips and .exes and stuff [03:39] the google site has an e-mail alert, they'll e-mail you when the linux version becomes available [03:40] Soul_keeper, according to /. there are already ubuntu pkgs [03:40] SiegeX: allright thanks. One thing that didn't understand was, I had to change the module loading from "modprobe nf_nat_{ftp,conntrack}", to loading them each seperatly. [03:40] chopp: as you noticed, the good thing about my firewall is that its very modularized, so you can just skip that section quite easily =) [03:40] ohhh [03:41] chopp: hmm, what version of bash are you using? echo $BASH_VERSION [03:41] I think brace expansion has been around for some time [03:42] SiegeX: 3.1.17(2)-release [03:43] SiegeX: you have a firewall script ? [03:43] www.aetherstorm.com/rc.firewall [03:43] chopp: hmm, quite odd. what was the error it gave? Was it modprobe that complained? [03:43] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:43] eross: savage2 worked out of the box for me. [03:43] aetherstorm is a nice name [03:44] clean index site, too [03:44] =) [03:44] welll duhh.. i loaded an older version, had to run the server temporarily to have it update to latest [03:45] SiegeX: yes, if I remember right it was an modprobe error. I can't mess with it right now, but it worked fine on my main box which is also 12.2. [03:45] thanks tho BP [03:45] oh well, if thats the extent of the problems then consider yourself lucky =) [03:45] SiegeX: I agree. :) [03:45] err.. haven't tried to play my mp3 and other media format yet [03:45] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left ##slackware. [03:46] that rule that allows DNAT'd connections is quite a nice shortcut that you dont often see. Without it you would need a FORWARD rule for every DNAT rule (assuming your FORWARD policy was DROP, and it should be) [03:47] eross (n=rem@6532142hfc81.tampabay.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [03:51] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-81-153.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:52] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.119) joined ##slackware. [03:52] firefox is still building...and i think it's taking longer with the gnome stuff turned on [03:53] building firefox? [03:53] yeah [03:53] i want to play/break it [03:53] I see, you are still without a female companion [03:53] indeed! [03:53] :P [03:53] like i'd be building ff if i had some tang? [03:53] aye [03:53] that was me reasoning [03:54] solid reasoning that it is [03:54] SiegeX: I've been reading the iptables tutorial by Oskar Andreasson on rworkman's site. Do you have a link to another decent tutorial? [03:54] call me holmes [03:58] chopp: the link in the #iptables topic is all you'll need [03:58] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: "Where ever you may be, be well. Namarië." [03:58] thats where that pic came form [03:58] *from [03:58] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [03:58] well, it didn't change anything [03:59] http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/ <- this one SiegeX posted earlier [03:59] hello nullboy [03:59] hello! [03:59] how goes it this morning for ya nullboy ? i have no idea what toime zone you are in but i am up in the wee hours this morning [04:00] it's 1am here now [04:00] wednesday [04:00] 3 am here wednesday [04:00] 9am here [04:00] you are living in the past, man [04:00] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [04:02] dtanner: yes thats the same tutorial rworkman has on his site. [04:02] taleon (i=cruesch@unaffiliated/taleon) joined ##slackware. [04:02] Moin :) [04:03] Action: edman007 waves [04:05] slackytude: are u in the middle of europe? [04:05] aye [04:05] sitting in da center [04:08] chopp: ah ok [04:08] Chance22 (n=chance@99-16-138-143.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [04:10] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:12] panda (n=cerami@host67-212-static.41-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:12] 'morning (CEST) [04:12] hi sid77 o/ [04:15] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:26] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:27] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:31] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:34] Chance22 (n=chance@99-16-138-143.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [04:35] taquito (i=1000@75.22.56.2) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:36] I just got an Eee 1000H and wanted to try putting KDE 4.2 on. Anyone know how well it'll run with the Intel 945GME graphics? [04:36] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:40] RobDob (n=rpedrica@196.44.34.234) joined ##slackware. [04:40] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:41] person (n=ed@92.8.109.91) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:45] Chance22, yesterday, people were telling it will run fine [04:45] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-71-65.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:45] off course, you are better of with coposite effects disabled [04:46] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-71-65.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:46] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:47] feinom_ (n=feinom@svale.hia.no) joined ##slackware. [04:49] what's the safest, and most proper way to give root access to my current X-display? [04:50] gwc___ (n=gwc@221.8.12.142) left irc: "Reconnecting" [04:50] the reason I ask is that I want to use the acpi_handler.sh script to run xflock4 before running pm-suspend [04:51] slackytude: thanks, I think I'll give it a try. How would I upgrade to 4.2 from 3.5 which comes with Slackware 12.2 DVD? I'll check for a slackbuild script, although I would want to make sure all the libs etc are updated as well, right? [04:52] gwc_ (n=gwc@221.8.12.142) joined ##slackware. [04:52] Chance22: I have a 1000H myself, running KDE4.2.1 [04:52] KDE enables compositing by default and that performs real good [04:53] alienBOB: ahh, very nice. Thanks for that, I was hoping that would be the case. [04:53] I've never upgraded KDE before, any quick checklist or things to look out for? [04:54] Chance22: there are no longer any KDE4 packages that are compatible with Slackware 12.2 - at least not in Slackware -current. We compiled the new KDE4 packages using a newer compiler and a newer glibc, so anything can happen (working/failing) [04:54] But you can upgrade to slackware-current if you want of course [04:54] nevermind, solution: "su - username app" :P [04:55] So, upgrade glibc, glibc, then Slackware-current, then KDE 4.2? =) [04:56] That was supposed to be GCC. I'm working on my fifth pot of coffee here. [04:58] Well, thanks for pointing me in the right direction. It's a fresh install, the worst that can happen is I break it and start over, eh? =) Thanks again. [04:58] gwc__ (n=gwc@221.8.12.142) joined ##slackware. [04:59] Chance22: read UPGRADE.TXT on any mirror. [05:01] v3gard, I think you'll fine its su - username -c "command" [05:02] chopp: yup, I see what you're getting at. thanks [05:04] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.10) joined ##slackware. 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[05:23] I managed to get through an exam with an A- by sheer luck ^-^ [05:24] slackytude, sound like fun ;) [05:24] I was nervous like hell -_- [05:24] I burtn a lot of karma that day [05:24] moving house has been killing me for nearly 3weeks now.. work is being wierd since everyone is sick and i have to do extra unpaid hours..:( [05:24] dusty_ (n=dusty@linuxgeek.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:25] and i cannot help nowhere much... :( but as you said still alive...;) [05:25] eh, moving is always troublesome [05:25] slackytude, im sure luck has nothing to do with it.. im sure you knew stuff on the back of your mind ... ;) unless it was something like multiple choice with 2 choices :p [05:26] and one of them not being logical at all ;) [05:26] thank god its gonna be the last time i move for a long long time [05:26] nah, oral exam ^-^ I got the right questions. I wouldnt be able to answer the stuff me mates were asked [05:26] The-Croupier, go to bed [05:26] Wed Mar 18 05:26:34 EDT 2009 [05:27] edman007: greetings to you too. its 11.26 here and im in class lecturing...;) [05:27] lies [05:27] just showed my students zeitgeist ;) [05:27] you are on IRC slacking off [05:27] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [05:27] edman007, that is true...;) while they are doing something else [05:27] lol [05:27] heh [05:27] showing zeitgeist? [05:28] interessting choice [05:28] The-Croupier, wait...why are you in class?!?! [05:28] its spring break! [05:29] not for foundation people that are going to england in september [05:29] there are no brakes apart for a couple of weeks in easter, and xmas [05:29] and edman007,,,,, theres no spring break in greece [05:30] edman007, how did your exams/uni go... everything ok? [05:30] what?!?!?! [05:30] my school does 4 day weeks and spring break [05:30] and i did mostly good... [05:30] The-Croupier, greece, eh? nice :D [05:30] ..though one i did bad :( [05:31] slackytude, apparently the land of no breaks [05:31] heh [05:31] same in all of europe, afaik [05:31] so i'm off to bed, people want to see me awake in the afternoon :( [05:31] slackytude, you are all SICK [05:32] how insensitive [05:32] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:32] slackytude, insensitive? what about spring break?!?!?! [05:32] I meant, insensitie of the people, expecting you on afternoon [05:32] gtk-qt-engine seems to be broken. [05:32] dont they know students need 16h of sleep minimum? [05:33] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:33] slackytude, its my break...normally i would be going to bed at noon today, not waking up at noon [05:33] people should know this and come over at 5am or something... [05:34] and then the stores should be open [05:34] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:34] so now i have to attempt to get some sleep and see how much caffeine i can consume when i wake up [05:34] edman007, do you have to? [05:35] yes :( [05:35] i dont know how greek people manage it, but they hardly have any breaks and they hardly-finish any jobs ;) [05:35] edman007, how about actually sleeping ;) [05:36] The-Croupier, well i know what you do, you don't work, always on IRC, showing students movies instead of teaching [05:36] Action: edman007 ducks [05:36] and now for sleep :/ [05:36] Action: edman007 -> bed [05:36] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-41-244.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[06:39] Mizzornin gazzizza [06:41] wtf [06:42] morning slava_dp [06:42] morning, slackytude :) [06:42] ^-^ [06:42] well, actually, its time for lunch, soon [06:45] Sun wants IBM to buy them, but the negotiations are ongoing. It may amount to nothing (HP refused to by them earlier) [06:45] Action: slackytude shrugs [06:45] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:45] we shall see [06:45] alienBOB, thanks for pointing me to rcs yesterday. it's a great tool. [06:45] rcs? [06:46] rcs rocks your socks. use it. [06:46] :| [06:46] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [06:46] actual rcs, as in gnu rcs? [06:46] it's a *huge* improvement over sccs, but that's pretty much it :| [06:46] I dont think it matters much until someone who wants to buy Sun states intention to deprecate Solaris [06:46] alienBOB : ibm is getting hungry for business. we see them more and more. in fact, they keep telling us they can provide support for _all_ of our equipment, including sun boxes [sunfire15k, etc] [06:48] kunal (i=kunal@123.237.40.142) joined ##slackware. [06:49] rcs? [06:49] i got a yet-another meeting with them this week, regarding an upgrade of our lto library. in fact, we'll see if they would take our ESS for a trade-in. now, dell has an alternative tape library, which could cost us less to purchase new, than to upgrade our existing [06:49] slackytude : man rcs [06:49] Revision Control System? [06:49] yes [06:50] yet another one? [06:50] dont for the love of god let someone give you storagetek as an upgrade [06:50] dragon{} (n=dragon{}@dsl54020B69.pool.t-online.hu) left ##slackware. [06:50] ohh, no. we won't go that route [06:50] anything that makes it different/better than cvs, git, svn and whatnot [06:51] slackytude : yes. it's simple, and local. [06:51] alrite [06:51] ananke: I'm stuck with a C4 i wont be able to get rid of for YEARS [06:51] <_RadioHead> no damn way to start kde :) [06:51] <_RadioHead> mistake :) first hi all [06:52] <_RadioHead> i hate to reinstall slackware jsut for this [06:52] slackytude, it's for versioning your local files. very convenient imo. [06:53] Zordrak : ouch [06:53] <_RadioHead> hello ananke :) [06:53] hi [06:53] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-0-30.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:54] ananke: it's gonna take all ive got to try to get rid of the T2000 it's hooked up to [06:56] you know, i recently realized that in the past 7 years i have not gotten rid of any servers, with an exception of a couple dell pe4400? [06:56] speaking of, time to run to work [06:57] ananke, slava_dp alrite, gonna give it a try [06:57] tho Ive got a cvs server here [06:57] slackytude, man rcsintro :) [06:57] ah cool [06:58] RobDob (n=rpedrica@41.177.57.243) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:58] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [06:59] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.5.236) left irc: "Leaving" [07:00] dios_mio (i=test@88.241.132.152) joined ##slackware. [07:04] ananke: worse still.. it's running Veritas NetBackup and I don't know I'll ever be able to migrate the DB away from it.. and while the newest client works on slack the bastards wont support it... and i'll be damned if i'm gonna run RHEL *just* for them [07:04] kunal113 (i=kunal@123.237.40.142) joined ##slackware. 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[07:27] <_RadioHead> uhm totally forgot this , thx XGizzmo [07:27] _RadioHead: also check /var/log/Xorg.0.log [07:27] <_RadioHead> alienBOB: thx i will now. [07:28] <_RadioHead> but i think more this is kde related problem coz xfce is starting ok [07:28] And also you may try runing xorgsetup to get a better /etc/X11/xog.conf - it sounds as if you do not use the correct video driver [07:29] Nick change: weehours -> ecmicro [07:29] <_RadioHead> alienBOB: i switch from nvidia to nv just to check if nvidia is a problem... BUT with sfce4 is everything OK [07:29] lostnhell (n=Unknown@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:29] neonflux_^ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-8-226-79.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [07:31] _RadioHead: you could try rm -r /var/tmp/kdecache-/ksyc* [07:33] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:35] |vinnie_| (n=kvirc@c-98-223-41-15.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[07:56] TL_CLD, yes I'm using lyx [07:56] on 12.2 [07:56] 1.6.1 [07:57] I believe I used src2pkg to build it [07:57] need to make a SB though [07:58] TL_CLD, there's a slackbuild at SBo [07:59] dive, Yes, I'm using that, but when I start the program I can't do anything, as Lyx keeps throwing all sorts of errors at me. [07:59] hmm [07:59] dive, I might've found the problem though: I hadn't installed the t set, ie. no tetex packages on my system. Trying to recompile Lyx now, with the t set installed [07:59] cam you pastebin the errors? [07:59] ah yeah that might help :) [08:00] dive, Would've been nice of SBo had mentioned that. :D [08:00] <_RadioHead> XGizzmo: nothing still same... anyway i upgradepkg -current and happened this [08:00] s/of/if [08:01] dive, So, are you happy with Lyx? I'm used to plain old OOo, but I'm finding myself increasingly annoyed at spending time on making things "look right". [08:01] It seems very complicated, to the untrained eye. hehe [08:01] TL_CLD, it's good for certain things I find [08:02] have a look at the korma letter templates - very nice [08:02] I use it mainly for letters right now [08:02] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:02] gnubien (n=e@221.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:02] dive, I plan on using it for small books, mainly work-related manuals. Are there templates for that? [08:02] [08:03] TL_CLD, yeah should be - it was designed for articles and books [08:03] dive, "small" here meaning < 100 A4 pages. [08:03] should be no problem [08:03] dive, Sounds good. Hopefully I can find some good tutorials on it. [08:04] it does come with a built it tutorial I seem to recall - help menu? [08:04] probably. Should be fun. It's always nice to have an excuse to learn something new. :D [08:05] it's a nice app - it's a pity I don't really use it to it's fullest extent [08:05] will probably make a cv template soon [08:05] <_RadioHead> XGizzmo: alienBOB nothing strange on log , or i am missing something ;) [08:06] Am I right in assuming that making your own templates requires a fair knowledge of LaTex? [08:07] TL_CLD, not really - for my personal letters I just opened kooma letter, changed some of the preamble code and saved as [08:07] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-81-153.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:07] Ah, nice. [08:08] TL_CLD, #latex [08:08] if you look in (i think) document properties there are a lot of options - most of the latex stuff is commented [08:08] alienBOB: Did you get acpi scripts working with your 1000H? Mostly I'm interested in suspend to RAM, maybe volume control too. [08:09] marto28sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [08:09] lyx aint the best [08:09] use kate + latex plugin [08:11] or use kile [08:11] not lyx [08:12] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/office/kile/ [08:14] hackeron (n=hackeron@cpc2-seve19-2-0-cust712.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: "leaving" [08:14] hackeron (n=hackeron@cpc2-seve19-2-0-cust712.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:16] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [08:18] slackytude, I've never heard of kile. Thanks! [08:19] no sweat [08:20] people in #latex react badly to lynx [08:20] Chance22: I have not tried acpi scripts yet, but I do have some specifically for the eeepc which I want to try later this week. I intend to write an eeepc article in my Wiki anyway [08:20] err, lyx [08:23] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:23] alienBOB: Okay, I'll be sure to check it out, thanks [08:23] Dominus (i=unices@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:23] Dominus (i=unices@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:24] hmm need to check out kile then [08:24] I notice the kate plugin is only for kde4.x [08:24] hr, might be [08:26] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423524.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:27] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423524.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:27] hi all, i have a problem running apache with subversion modules enabled [08:27] sopas (n=souphead@222.127.92.200) joined ##slackware. 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[08:47] after every boot I have to set it manually, that sucks [08:48] toor, put it in rc.local [08:48] put the command in the /etrc/rc.d/rc.local [08:48] nille_ (n=nille@c-5163e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [08:48] ok, thanks a lot :) [08:49] and... [08:49] where can I define to start a x-login-manager automatically after boot? [08:49] /etc/inittab [08:49] set runlevel to 4 [08:50] gnubien (n=e@221.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:50] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:50] Ojg (n=Ojg@ojg-laptop.tekproj.bth.se) joined ##slackware. [08:50] and in the rc.local I just write the command who I type on the command line too? [08:50] route add default gw 0.0.0.0 dev? [08:50] toor, yeah. [08:51] rki (n=rki@unaffiliated/rki) left ##slackware. [08:51] cool, thanks .) [08:51] hi all, i have a problem running apache with subversion modules enabled under Slackware 12.2 (sorry for repeating the issue) [08:52] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) joined ##slackware. [08:53] hm, ok, I really do not understand this inittab stuff [08:53] on debian I just used update-rc.d [08:54] toor, edit line [08:54] id:4:initdefault: [08:55] in your inittab must be id:3:initdefault [08:55] brixton- (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [08:55] just change the number 3 to 4 and it's done [08:55] toor, it's extensively commented, or so i thought.... [08:56] hm, still not understandable :( [08:56] RobDob (n=rpedrica@41.177.57.243) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:56] RobDob (n=rpedrica@41.177.57.243) joined ##slackware. [08:56] is there a other way? [08:56] I00m (n=matt0@CPE-60-226-3-65.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:56] # Default runlevel. (Do not set to 0 or 6) id:4:initdefault: <<-- that's what you should have. [08:57] toor, just edit *1* number [08:57] 3 --> 4 [08:57] simple [08:57] toor, edit /etc/inittab [08:57] save, then exit [08:57] hmmm, yeah, that's easy. But, I do not understand why that action should start a login manager after boot automatically [08:57] Does slackware 12 disc 1 have X and a desktop env... ? [08:58] :-) [08:58] I00m: yep [08:58] because it defines default runlevel when pc boots [08:58] I00m: sorry, don't know :D [08:58] uh, X is disc two [08:58] toor, because different startup scripts start at different runlevels. [08:58] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [08:58] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:58] toor, runlevel 4 starts X. [08:58] yep [08:59] actually, it will run /etc/rc.d/rc.4 [08:59] So I'll need disc 2 to get X running or w/e [08:59] which, in turn, will start a grahpical login manager [08:59] brixton- (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Client Quit [08:59] brixton- (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [08:59] oh, I see, if I change that to 4, /etc/rc.d/rc4 is executed, huh? [09:00] toor, exactly. [09:00] i a nutshell [09:00] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:00] well yeah, rc.M is executed afaik :) [09:00] I00m: disc 1 + slackpkg should work, to get X afterwards [09:01] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:01] if you stuck with default settings and installed KDE you'll have the nice KDM log-in manager after changing inittab to run level 4. [09:01] I want gdm and gnome :D [09:01] because kde really sucks [09:01] the panel crashes so many times [09:01] gnome ain't in slackware [09:02] you could try GSB [09:02] why? [09:02] cause gnome sucks :) [09:02] no, it doesn't [09:02] kde ftw! [09:02] Pat removed gnome back at Slackware 10.1 [09:03] xfce > * [09:03] gnome is the best desktop environment I've ever seen, nothing better than this one, kde, xfce [09:03] Pat problem would add gnome again if there was an actual maintainer for the packages most likely [09:03] What dive said. [09:03] :p [09:03] toor, need 3rd party packages for gnome [09:03] he just got tired of maintaining it :) [09:03] I use slim + xfce, if Im on level 4 [09:03] and window managers, I prefer wmaker and fluxbox :) [09:03] Action: slava_dp uses slim+xfce as well. [09:04] actually screen > xfce > * [09:04] tntslack (n=will@adsl9-26.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:04] ^-^ [09:04] GSB is a slackware version of gnome. Right now they have a version for slackware 12.1 methinks. [09:04] toor, give slim a try [09:04] what is slim? a window manager? [09:04] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/slim/ [09:04] no, login manager for level 4 [09:05] I think I will use xdm and wmaker again :) [09:05] O_o [09:05] haven't use it for so long [09:05] well, whatever [09:05] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:05] not much has changed in windowmaker sicne the develop was dead for a while :) [09:05] RobDob (n=rpedrica@41.177.57.243) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:05] guys, what is ##woodchucks all about? :-) [09:06] monstro (n=monstro@201-92-47-229.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:06] isn't that cpunches channel? [09:06] Hi all, [09:06] if you have to ask, its not for you [09:06] Action: kitche forgot all about ##woodchecks [09:06] well lots of people from here are on there too [09:06] who's cpunches? [09:06] dont ask -_- [09:06] How to view my IP address in ifconfig? [09:07] monstro, uh, just ifconfig should show you [09:07] o0 [09:07] monstro, with your eyes i guess O_O [09:07] yeah like this-> O_o [09:07] not, like this-> *_* [09:08] %) [09:08] or like this >.< [09:08] thats, ok too-> ^-^ [09:08] «» «» [09:08] ___ [09:08] it's don't show the ip valid! [09:08] gwc (n=gwc@221.8.12.142) joined ##slackware. [09:08] monstro, then you have to configure it correctly. [09:09] you mean it's showing internal ip? [09:09] rather than external [09:09] dive, Im need view an ip external... on interface eth0, what command? is just ifconfig eth0? [09:10] nope [09:10] what commands? [09:10] ifconfig will only show your lan ip afaik [09:10] probably need to go into router settings and see what it says there [09:10] dunno [09:11] uhum... [09:11] http://whatismyip.com [09:11] yes... [09:11] thanks [09:11] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [09:12] Nick change: booteco -> zimmermann [09:12] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:12] Nick change: zimmermann -> boot [09:12] Wee (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:12] Nick change: boot -> booteco [09:13] i read about cpunches a lot on noobfarm. was he kinda famous here, slackytude? [09:13] he still comes around actually [09:13] dive, and is possible disable is IP to don't open the interface web of router when type it in brownser? [09:13] er what? [09:14] (is it possible to disable the router ip interface) :) [09:14] (ot) gmail working for you guys? firefox gives me a "Redirect Loop" [09:14] you want to disable web interface to browser? why would you do that? [09:14] slava_dp, more like notorius [09:14] s/browser/router [09:15] Wee, it does work for me. [09:15] Wee, mail.google.com works [09:16] We can't provide service under the Gmail name in Germany; we're called Google Mail here instead. [09:16] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [09:16] :( [09:16] slackytude, /etc/hosts? [09:17] Wee: gmail working fine here too. I use IMAP in gmail [09:17] dive, huh? [09:17] can't you put an entry to redirect gmail to googlemail or some such? [09:17] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too we" [09:17] dive, ah, I see. I guess I could but I dont use it. first time I saw that message [09:18] remeber reading about it tho [09:18] dive, i use a program called myauth for traffic shaping for control of users etc. when type my ip external in browser it open the interface web of modem, and im need open interface of myauth. [09:19] try you local ip [09:20] hi all, i have a problem running apache with subversion modules enabled under Slackware 12.2 (sorry for repeating the issue) [09:20] monstro, I think it is still treating it as internal ip - other users won't see that [09:20] but I see what you mean [09:20] anyone on network would get the same [09:20] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:21] kr_eten: as long as you leave it at that single sentence, there is not going to be an answer... [09:21] monstro, you should probably set a port forward to myauth [09:21] in router [09:21] lymeca (n=lymeca@unaffiliated/lymeca) joined ##slackware. [09:21] I'm trying to share an sshfs mount between 2 users on a 10+ user system. I have found the -o allow_other switch, but it allows ALL users on the system FULL access to the mount. Without it though, EVERY other user is cut out from the mount, even if they are in the group specified by the -o gid=1000 switch. How can I selectively share an sshfs mount? [09:21] well, i have given details to everyone interested in helping out [09:22] the error is: httpd: Syntax error on line 498 of /etc/httpd/httpd.conf: Cannot load /usr/lib/httpd/modules/mod_dav_svn.so into server: /usr/lib/libsvn_subr-1.so.0: undefined symbol: apr_hash_clear [09:22] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:22] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:22] the packages are standard ones (from the official repository) [09:22] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:23] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:24] lymeca, THE GIDS THE SAME REMOTE AND LOCAL` [09:24] whoops [09:24] according to google results it seems it is build problem, and the undefined symbol says the same to me, that is why i post the problem here [09:24] lymeca, are the gids the same? [09:24] slackboy: No they are not. [09:25] the remote one is 1000, and the local one is 1003 so I specifically say -o gid=1003 when I mount it [09:25] dive, okay. thanks very much! [09:25] lymeca, wouldnt you need to do gid=1000 ? [09:25] Is shows up as ls -al listed with the correct group: the 1003 GID name on the client trying to mount [09:26] I'm pretty sure that would set it to 1000 on the client [09:26] which is not what I want. [09:26] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:27] slackboy: Yeah just confirmed that. [09:27] kr_eten: does "ldd -r libsvn_subr-1.so.0" give you that same undefined symbol: apr_hash_clear [09:27] lymeca, actually, I was thinking of the option idmap [09:27] -o allow_other is the only thing that matters in terms of letting other users access it besides the mounter. [09:27] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [09:27] slackboy: I have -o idmap=user set [09:28] hrm [09:28] alienBOB, yes [09:28] I have a setup like that where I map to a specific user [09:28] thats works, never tried it with groups [09:28] ldd -r /usr/lib/libsvn_subr-1.so | grep undefined [09:28] undefined symbol: apr_hash_clear (/usr/lib/libsvn_subr-1.so) [09:30] slackboy: Well I map to a uid= and a gid= and I say idmap=user, and that works and the ownership and permissions look fine, but they kind of lie. [09:30] Other users in the group cannot access unless -o allow_other is set [09:30] But that seems to be an all or nothing flag [09:30] kr_eten: OK - I have no 12.2 machine to test, right now, but on slackware-current this error does not happen [09:30] -o allow_other enables FULL read/write/ex to ALL users [09:30] I want to find something in between [09:30] lymeca, how a local dir permissions? [09:30] You can try a rebuild of the subversion package, that should fix it [09:31] lymeca, how are local dir permissions? maybe its something simple on local side [09:31] slackboy: Local dir permission are what I want them to be at 770 [09:31] same with the remote dir, 770 [09:31] get the script and the src and build it "manually"? [09:31] Yes [09:31] alienBOB, i will try. thanks [09:32] Just run subversion.SlackBuild and then use "upgradepkg --reinstall" on the resulting package you'll find in /tmp [09:32] gwc (n=gwc@221.8.12.142) left irc: "leaving" [09:33] I00m (n=matt0@CPE-60-226-3-65.qld.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "20 8 5 7 1 13 5" [09:34] wow!! has anyone ever typed the word 'rain' in a terminal and seen what happens? [09:35] lymeca, and how do you mount it? [09:35] alienBOB, i have built some packages this way. thanks [09:35] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:35] vinnie_: `whatis rain` [09:36] slackboy: sshfs god@host:/mnt /mnt -o uid=1003 -o gid=1003 -o idmap=user [09:36] cool [09:36] I add on -o allow_other at the end to boot [09:36] i just did it by accident [09:39] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:39] -bash: snow: command not found :-( [09:41] alienBOB, configure complains about missing zlib.h file and locate finds it in /usr/include/linux :( [09:41] how do i substract one variable from another in bash? (integers) [09:41] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:41] slava_dp, with () if i am not wrong [09:42] i mean surround the substraction with () [09:42] if [ RES=("$TIME" - "$LAST_TIME_UPDATE") ]; then <-- gives a syntax error. [09:42] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [09:43] slava_dp, try doing a expr inside () [09:43] Buggaboo (n=bug@ipd50a4203.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:43] I dont know if will work [09:43] sorry i lied [09:44] i am checking the man right now [09:44] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:44] Use (( )) slava_dp [09:44] Action: slava_dp is looking at the man too. [09:44] $((expression)) [09:45] search for "arithmetic expansion" in the man [09:45] oh shit i forgot to put $ in front [09:45] thanks :) [09:45] kr_eten: no errors here building subversion, but again - this is slackware-current [09:46] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:46] nophis (n=amenophi@unaffiliated/nophis) joined ##slackware. [09:46] unfortunately i am not very familiar with configure and where it searches for this header file [09:47] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [09:47] i could try with 12.2 script for subversion [09:47] and corresponding source [09:47] but maybe i will be in the same situation :) [09:48] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [09:48] or i can try editing configure line [09:48] kunal (i=kunal@123.237.40.142) joined ##slackware. [09:50] or maybe try installing zlib first :))) [09:52] if [ RES=$(( $TIME - $LAST_TIME_UPDATE )) ]; then; echo "$RES"; fi <-- does not give error but does not echo $RES for me. what am i doing wrong? [09:54] TEST1=10 TEST2=4 TEST3=$(( $TEST1 - $TEST2 )); echo $TEST3 [09:54] 6 [09:54] it seems it works, but what is the problem with yours variables... [09:55] well [09:56] i am not sure if ; is needed after then [09:56] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.15.32) joined ##slackware. [09:56] kr_eten, yeah it's not needed [09:59] ok, i did it differently. i assigned my RES variable outside of the if cycle. [10:00] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [10:02] TEST1=10 TEST2=4; if [ TEST3=$(( $TEST1 - $TEST2 )) ]; then echo $TEST3; fi [10:02] 6 [10:03] damn [10:05] kunal113 (i=kunal@123.237.40.142) left irc: Connection timed out [10:05] theblackbox (n=sam@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [10:06] hmm SUN seems to be getting ready to be sold [10:06] Action: slackytude nods [10:07] kitche: scrollback [10:07] bad news [10:08] why? [10:09] hmm sun is maintaining a great share of open projects. what of their fate? [10:10] ibm does too [10:10] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [10:10] sun is getting money, now, might boost those projects [10:10] ibm + opensolrais + zfs and java ^-^ [10:10] i dunno [10:10] ibm does not have mainly open projects really not like Sun does [10:11] well, true. but they have no real reason to close them down [10:11] ibm will mess all that we know as java. [10:11] sombriks: have you even tried ibm's java? [10:12] java is a lie :) [10:12] i'm dealing with it right now. [10:12] my jni code is blowing that jvm [10:12] jini? [10:12] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:12] eh, nvm [10:12] instead a useful error log i have a .dmp, a .trc and a unreadable .txt [10:13] I need java to log-in to my company oracle data base. I think sun+ibm could eb a good match. We will see. [10:13] be [10:14] aye [10:14] wow the AIG talk is on CSPAN3 and I don't even get that chanel .... [10:15] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.170.29) joined ##slackware. [10:15] whats up with AIG? [10:15] tntslack (n=will@adsl9-26.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:15] I think they need more money, those poor guys [10:16] tntslack (n=will@adsl9-26.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:17] but but but if you don't pay their bonuses they might quit [10:17] heh [10:18] http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090317/ap_on_go_co/grassley_aig [10:18] whats worser than a failure? a failure that quits [10:19] "Senator suggests they should kill themselves" lol [10:19] lmao [10:19] ^-^ [10:19] "AIG executives should take a Japanese approach toward accepting responsibility" [10:19] monstro (n=monstro@201-92-47-229.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [10:19] very old tradition [10:19] that is the best suggestion yet [10:19] nothing wrong with it [10:19] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.2) joined ##slackware. [10:24] nooneelse (n=brunodeo@unaffiliated/nooneelse) joined ##slackware. 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[10:47] Action: nille_ Greets Tuz welcome to the kernel :) [10:47] Wee (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:54] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:54] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE7374.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:54] omzine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [10:56] what is the best way to execute `ps`? i usually use `ps aux` but it has so many styles for options that i wonder if there's a better combination. [10:56] everybody has his own style [10:56] thats a worse can of worms than vim vs emacs [10:56] slackytude, what do you use to see all processes? [10:56] well, I use ps aux too [10:57] I got in a argument about it with the sys admin at university [10:58] lucasagomes (n=lucasago@200.210.129.2) joined ##slackware. [10:58] most peopel use ps aux [10:59] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:59] i use ps -ef :P [10:59] I use ps auwwwx [11:00] im not sure why [11:00] heh [11:00] i was just wondering that options without a dash is bsd-style. and we should be using unix-style, aight? or not? [11:00] who cares? [11:00] /me does [11:00] i cant even remember which shell/OS the w's are for or what they mean... but no system i have access to complains about them :) [11:00] Action: Zordrak blames Solaris 7 [11:01] heh [11:01] it's ALWAYS Solaris 7's faust [11:01] fault [11:01] Solaris Faust [11:01] nice na,e [11:01] name even [11:02] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:02] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) joined ##slackware. [11:05] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) left irc: "Leaving" [11:08] i always like to know what's the *proper* way to do something. occasionally it might be better than what i use. [11:08] hence my questions :-) [11:08] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.10) left irc: "Leaving" [11:08] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "leaving" [11:08] there is more than one way [11:09] there's always the best way for a specific cause. [11:10] like vim for text editing? [11:10] Action: slava_dp uses joe. [11:10] thats not the best way [11:11] :P [11:11] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:11] i just love how joe highlights source. and i like the controls :) [11:11] any one know a god way to install phpmyadmin? any slackbuild about it? [11:12] tntslack, download, untar into /var/www/htdocs [11:13] slava_dp the ony way to install it, is to make what is says in document? [11:14] tntslack: slackbuilds are for stuff that has to be compiled (generally) [11:14] well yeah, there's nothing specific to do about phpmyadmin. [11:14] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@acta221.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. 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[11:53] nophis (n=amenophi@unaffiliated/nophis) left irc: "Leaving" [11:53] whitespace is whitespace [11:53] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:53] amro (n=amro@li37-20.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [11:53] -d" " ought to do it on its own [11:54] -d" " gives me lots of chunks with spaces in them. [11:54] -d" " is not the same as -d" " [11:54] for example. [11:55] my favorite is | awk '{ print $1 $2 ... }' [11:55] can i achieve a result like `awk {'print $i'}` gives but using cut? [11:56] (cut is in coreutils while awk is not). [11:56] if you dont have awk then your system is broken [11:57] slava_dp: cut can delimit by single character... awk can delimit by -F"some word" etc... [11:57] :D [11:57] C00re, is it? [11:58] s/some word/two words/ [11:58] oh well awk is only 2M installed so it's not a big deal. but cut would be preferable. [11:58] err preferred [11:58] as much as that? [11:59] bbl [11:59] slava_dp: and yes... you can use cut that way.... specify field numbers [11:59] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:59] slava_dp: cut -d " " -f2,3 for example [11:59] Action: Zordrak didn't realise awk was so hiuojj(!) [12:00] well Pat uses cut in his scripts. never seen a single awk statement. [12:00] ricktl (n=slackwar@201.78.31.16) joined ##slackware. [12:00] slava_dp: ... [12:01] I use perl for everything... [12:01] my brain can't assimilate that many tools :p [12:01] perl ftw [12:03] Action: slava_dp sticks to bash. [12:03] Action: Zordrak goes off to create the berl shell [12:05] ha. imagine berlz shell. BERyLcompiZ. [12:05] thats just silly :) [12:05] cmatrix in the backgroun [12:05] nah. you inspired me [12:05] time to go home. see you tomorrow guys. thanks for the help. [12:06] a perl-like version of bash now THAT would be the snooch! [12:06] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "Leaving" [12:06] well, yes. but would it have vi or emacs bindings? [12:11] Hermaniette (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [12:13] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [12:15] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD883D5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:16] vi obviously [12:17] emacs can suck my interpreter [12:17] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [12:19] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [12:20] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.117) joined ##slackware. [12:21] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:21] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[12:48] punk@marvin:~$ /usr/sbin/slackpkg check-updates [12:48] News on ChangeLog.txt [12:48] ops [12:48] Channel flood from PiterPunk -- kicking [12:48] sorry [12:48] PiterPunk kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [12:49] pwnd [12:49] Booyah [12:49] kunal (i=kunal@123.237.40.142) left irc: Connection timed out [12:49] PiterPunk (n=piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [12:50] back [12:51] If anyone wants to test: http://slackpkg.org/beta/slackpkg-2.71beta2-noarch-4.tgz <- New slackpkg [12:51] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:51] log [12:51] ops [12:51] lol [12:51] PiterPunk: hi Piter [12:51] gar0t0: Hi. [12:51] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [12:52] Ramdac_ (n=ramdac@41.232.168.165) joined ##slackware. [12:53] Excuse me guys i'd like to migrate from ubuntu to slackware,So is it reliable? [12:53] is what reliable? [12:53] Slackware? [12:54] Yup [12:54] it's often catagorized as one of the more stable distros available [12:54] Ramdac_, your kidding right? you ask that in a Slack channel :) [12:54] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:54] Old_Fogie:whats wrong with asking such question? [12:55] Ramdac_: Yes. It is [12:55] Ramdac_: ohhh just go and buy a mac and join the revolution =D [12:55] PiterPunk: that's a very neat feature :) [12:55] nothing wrong with asking questions, just think it's a little e-tarded to ask in a channel for a distro is all, we are a biased crowd :) [12:56] I'm not biased, you old bastard [12:56] Gentoo OWNS [12:56] straterra, "biased" <-- if that has an extra "s" ...well then there ya go :) [12:56] Does it have synaptic, or any package manager? there is also a rumour about the difficultness of the installation? So i am afraid of messing things up :( [12:57] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [12:57] Ramdac_, it has a package manager yes. it does not do dependency resolution. [12:57] thrice`: neat feature? [12:59] the slackpkg [12:59] "IBM to possible acquire Sun." huh [12:59] thrice`: -:) [12:59] thrice`, that means in the financial world "*buy*buy*buy*" get it now while it's hot :) [13:00] Action: Old_Fogie goes to check the stock numbers [13:00] thrice`: im in the /. thread now [13:00] amazing, imo [13:00] i am gonna install it on my Laptop. but with Ubuntu the sound driver had a problem in which sound comes from both speakers and headphones ,so can slackware has this wrong ? or every distro has its own driver? [13:00] Old_Fogie: The stock doubled today [13:00] Old_Fogie: so far. :D [13:00] eviljames, bah! [13:00] just my luck :( [13:01] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:01] The traders must think this is going to go forward, because even at noon or so there was another uptick [13:02] or that might not be the right financial lingo, but trading volume spiked at noon [13:02] Ramdac_, we have no way of telling you that in advance [13:02] Ramdac_, that's a tuff call on that sound issue. ubunut uses 'pulseaudio' which is really betaware and has some bad side effects, and that ?could? be why you had an issue, but there's no way for any of us to know. You'll have to try and just see. I know that's a lousy answer, but that pulse is a major factor. [13:02] eviljames, nah it's a short sell...buy it now sell it in a day, make a killing. [13:03] and Old_Fogie++ (too lazy to type again exactly what he wrote ;) ) [13:03] Camarade_Tux, :) [13:03] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:03] Old_Fogie: Totally, but I think this is one of the stocks that is seriously undervalued. [13:04] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:04] eviljames, "undervalued" so is a good amount in the market, but yeah I hear ya. but there's a ton of people looking to 'short' and make a quick pull. watch that stock in a few days, it'll be down, just the way it always is [13:04] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:05] investors in these times just look for a quick in/out ... then back to gold [13:05] Which is part of the overarching problem with the market as is. [13:05] the quick in/out that is. "investors" being the larger investment houses/hedge funds. Always looking for a quick in/out [13:05] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [13:06] well that's how it works, buy low sell high, or sell at a price you feel good with. same as going to a store and buying bubble gum, you dont think they bought it for what they sold it to ya for do you :) [13:07] weedar (n=vn@82.194.215.135) joined ##slackware. [13:09] sure they do... >.> [13:09] =p [13:10] Old_Fogie: That's not really an accurate comparison. More like if you went to the store to buy some gum, but before you go in a guy says "man, I'll get you some gum for $x", then he goes in and buys it cheaper [13:10] noobish (i=noobish@12.170.31.226) joined ##slackware. [13:11] Am I missing something or do you have to add the 'mdadm -As' cmd to rc.S for md devices to come up before the fsck? [13:11] if you're that smart to see a price drop on the horizon, then go at it I say :) [13:12] but, I gtg, I see you all :) [13:12] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [13:14] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) left irc: "leaving" [13:16] right, that's what i did. Strange that slack doesn't start them by default. Is LVM preferred over md? [13:16] []cipher (n=cipher@41.252.51.42) joined ##slackware. [13:17] and LILO does it operate like GRUB? [13:18] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.15.32) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:18] like, as in, they both get the kernel loaded... yeah [13:18] lilo has a conf file, grub has a cmd line config mode [13:18] does they have the same syntax ? [13:18] no [13:18] very different [13:19] can i get LILO to boot both Slackware and Solaris? [13:19] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [13:19] afaik there's nothing you can't do with one or the other [13:19] yeah [13:19] just a different method of doing it [13:20] http://www.phildev.net/solaris/dualboot.html <--- for those too lazy to google [13:20] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.13) left irc: [13:20] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [13:21] kamaji_ (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:21] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:22] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [13:22] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.117) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:22] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:23] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-191-71.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [13:25] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.14.150) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:25] can the Linux Swap partition used by both the solaris and Slackware? or do i have to create two swap partitions? [13:25] Ramdac_: think Solaris sees the swap different then linux [13:26] Ramdac_: not to be a complete ass, but why don't you read some of the dual booting guyides [13:27] considering that most of them just say how to setup grub or some such [13:27] Necos:Actually i'm reading one of them right now :) [13:27] nothing to do with what he asked [13:30] better idea Ramdac_... install slackware, then use virtualbox to run solaris [13:31] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:32] or install solaris and run virtualbox to run slackware (but i'm not sure if that will work) [13:32] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-191-71.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:33] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [13:33] Necos:I'll install Slackware on my Laptop and will contact you via my PC if anything wrog happens. 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[13:59] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-166-220.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:00] Nick change: NaCl -> SpanishInquisitr [14:03] bacchist (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:04] hi, im having slackware 10.1 on a machine, i wanna install 'nano' instead of 'pico', can i just install it or do i have to uninstall pico first? [14:04] whatever package pico belongs to.. [14:05] Camarade_Tux: hmm isn't that odd what does that guy work with AMD or something? [14:05] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:05] you can install nano no problem [14:06] l4m4_m4n (n=lama@83.218.195.61) joined ##slackware. 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[14:39] you are saying i shouldnt use nano and use vi/vim instead =p [14:39] yes. [14:39] ? [14:39] :P [14:39] vim ftw [14:39] hba (n=hba@148.208.237.8) left irc: Client Quit [14:39] yea i like it.. but vim is really slow with the syntax hilighting [14:39] hba (n=hba@148.208.237.8) joined ##slackware. [14:39] LIES [14:39] on my slow machine it is.. [14:39] DIW [14:40] for example when i code css.. and i enter a {} section for example it "hangs" for a second or two [14:40] therefor im using pico/nano [14:41] it doesnt do that hanging [14:41] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-228.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [14:42] Mine doesn't hang [14:42] [ in bed ] [14:42] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "byez" [14:42] ... [14:42] Oh snap! [14:42] BP{k}, I'll stab you [14:42] :P [14:42] straterra: of course you won't [14:42] Why won't I? [14:42] I might be suicidal enough to do it! [14:43] BP{k} is the arbiter of kethry's internetz. [14:46] he's right. No BP.. eventually i'll be knocked offline by something and i won't know how to fix it. [14:49] and no body's arguing, which means, of course, that jkwood is right. [14:51] *shock* [14:51] *awe* [14:51] zomg :0 [14:51] Wait a second... [14:51] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [14:51] lol [14:53] Harlin (n=Harlin@nat/ibm/x-f8618fe96df0c56e) joined ##slackware. [14:53] Matthew_Murdock (n=user@93.86.179.132) joined ##slackware. [14:53] *gasp* >.<; [14:54] how would i setup my default console resolution as 1280x1024? I've set it in xorg.conf as an extra value in the line for it [14:54] checkout /etc/lilo.conf [14:54] hmm not for the framebuffer [14:54] hmmm, i never noticed that i never set the resolution.. it just did it [14:54] but for when using KDE [14:55] mine are set up very basic... 1024x768, 800x600 etc [14:55] i mean xorg.conf doesn't have any resolution settings... and btw that's a terminal setting i believe [14:56] using kterm or whatever? [14:56] Umm... if KDE is 1280x1024, then Konsole will be 1280x1024(ish). [14:56] Konsole. [14:56] i don't use kde obviously ^_~ [14:56] ok necos ... im starting to think thrice may be on to something [14:56] i am using virtualbox for this slackware install [14:57] it may be using vesa-framebuffer all the way through to desktop [14:57] dang it [14:57] lol [15:00] hmm what would be the vga mode for 1280x1024? [15:00] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [15:00] It's in /etc/lilo.conf [15:01] 783 or somethin [15:02] oh , 773 for 1024x768 >.> [15:02] vdvluc (n=luc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:04] ecmicro (n=ecmicro@pa-67-239-42-84.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:05] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-114-73.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:06] does any one know how to make stream output videos? [15:07] Matthew_Murdock (n=user@93.86.179.132) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [15:08] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.57) joined ##slackware. [15:11] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:11] nille_ (n=nille@c-5163e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:12] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [15:13] stream output videos? of what? [15:15] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:15] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [15:16] want to stream a video via vlc [15:16] psychicist (n=psychici@195-241-68-222.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:16] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [15:16] how to do that? any one knows? [15:16] use..vlc [15:16] and google [15:17] brixton- (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:17] vdvluc (n=luc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: "Leaving" [15:20] Harlin (n=Harlin@nat/ibm/x-f8618fe96df0c56e) left irc: "Leaving" [15:22] i'm pretty sure there's a guide for streaming video through vlc on the vlc webpage [15:23] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.6) joined ##slackware. [15:26] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.119) joined ##slackware. [15:26] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [15:26] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.174.53.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:28] Matthew_Murdock (n=user@93.86.179.132) joined ##slackware. [15:29] Ojg (n=Ojg@ojg-laptop.tekproj.bth.se) left irc: "Leaving" [15:30] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [15:30] I want to install gtk+ 2.14 from slackware current. How can I know what other packages should I upgrade? (glib/pango/...) Is there easy way to know this? [15:31] dios_mio (i=test@88.241.132.152) joined ##slackware. [15:31] Matthew_Murdock: upgrading to slackware-current is an all or nothing job. You don't pick and mix/match. [15:32] nickserv identify f0rif9l [15:45] :O [15:45] I do believe you missed. [15:46] Might want to change that password. ;) [15:46] He's banned anyway [15:46] joke [15:47] It's not a joke you're banned [15:47] You are - but you keep switching IP addreses [15:47] Ban by his "username" [15:47] *vncsnvs* [15:47] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:47] i have no problems with kids. [15:47] We warned you, we would ban your entire netblock if needed - a lot of angry brazilians will show up on your doorstep [15:47] Eh? [15:47] No they won't..Brazillians don't have door steps o.O [15:48] straterra, gringos don't fuck [15:48] Eh? [15:48] we need to do it 4 gringos. [15:49] eddief2 (n=eddie@pool-141-157-204-173.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:49] manuw (n=x42@debiancenter/developer/manuw) joined ##slackware. [15:49] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:49] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*vncs*@189.*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [15:49] bob_slacker kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: You are pissing off a whole lot of people by your ban evasion [15:50] Holy hell..you banned the entire /8 ?! [15:50] Oh dear. [15:50] You could have started with a /24 [15:50] Next time the "vncs" will be left out and a major part of brazil will probably be left out [15:50] or something [15:51] /8 is excessive [15:51] asdfgh (n=rzfgdfg@189.114.22.14) joined ##slackware. [15:51] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:51] It is not all of 189. straterra [15:51] asdfgh (n=rzfgdfg@189.114.22.14) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:51] How isn't it? [15:51] oh [15:51] straterra: username too [15:51] See there he is again - asdfgh [15:51] Just his username and that subnet [15:51] He leaves me no choice really [15:52] You're gonna do the whole /8? [15:52] You have a problem with that? [15:53] Doesn't really matter if I do, me thinks [15:53] I will check whois on that IP address, and use that to limit the ban [15:54] I mean..I think you should start with a /24 and go deeper if needed [15:55] Whois shows a /15 [15:55] So that is what it is going to be [15:55] Then do a /16 [15:55] Since you can't exactly specify a mask or a /15 [15:55] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [15:55] :-) [15:55] Shuren (n=Devilman@host25-171-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:56] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:56] yeah baby. nothing like 12 hours of sleep [15:57] Action: mogunus claps [15:57] yeah, extra sleep is good.....I didn't sleep so well last night.....a little under the weather:) [15:58] Just got my wisdom teeth out. Drifting in and out of naps trying to install slack 12.2 on my laptop. [15:58] ouch.....lots of painkillers? [15:59] mogunus: that's a medieval procedure still. i had it done too [15:59] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:59] two lower wisdom teeth that were embedded in the bone horizontally [15:59] straight up jaw surgery [16:01] Bunches. I got all four out. [16:01] ugh [16:02] nullboy: mine were like that [16:02] Had to shatter them and remove them peice by peice, then do a graft [16:02] What is the kernel parameter to make it go to ata on a laptop? hda=noprobe, yes? [16:02] ata/dma [16:03] it's totally worth it to get them out though. ended lots of headaches and neck/jaw pain [16:03] _arc_ (n=arc@85.17.65.14) joined ##slackware. [16:04] I'm hoping that'll be the case for me too. Stupid things were giving me these weird pressure headaches. [16:06] mogunus: as soon as the swelling and goes down it will be great [16:06] *fantastic* [16:07] I've got a slackware-server here and I'm not sure which pop and imap server is running on it..."ps -x" or "ps faxu" doesn't seem to list any pop or imap-server. Is there something else I can do to show running services? [16:07] how would I go about getting wifi on the slackware boot CD? I loaded hugesmp.s hda=noprobe [16:07] and it sees my old hard drive just fine [16:07] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [16:08] wifi will not work on the install disk [16:08] weedar: /etc/rc.d/ contains startup scripts. [16:08] I've got an intel 3945ABG wifi card, are those drivers in the 12.2 kernel? [16:08] mogunus: as far as i know, wifi is not configurable from the installer [16:08] If those aren't executable, they won't start. [16:08] Ah. Well. Ethernet then. [16:09] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [16:09] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [16:09] Wifi is ethernet :P [16:10] So I can't get any networking on the install disk? [16:10] Yes, you can [16:10] No wireless support in the installer mogunus [16:10] But wired network installs, sure, no problem [16:10] jkwood: Thanks, I can't seem to find a clue there right away but I guess it's a starting point :-) [16:11] Good, I can get it plugged in... ifconfig eth0 up gives me a "no such device" though? [16:11] Shuren (n=Devilman@host25-171-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:12] Oh, nevermind, found the "network" command in docs. [16:12] auto-detected my card. [16:12] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:13] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-185-124.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:13] v4nelle (n=van@adsl134-146.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:15] Aha, turns out the services were run through inetd, never seen that before [16:15] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:16] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-171-1.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:18] mikk0 (n=mikk01@YKMMMLV.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [16:20] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [16:23] Yep, that's how Slackware does it. [16:26] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-430645.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:26] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-430645.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:26] Well, that's one of the ways that slackware does it [16:27] I've never worked with slackware before so this is quite interesting [16:27] maxiconn (n=maxiconn@208.253.106.122) joined ##slackware. [16:27] maxiconn (n=maxiconn@208.253.106.122) left ##slackware. [16:27] maxiconn (n=maxiconn@208.253.106.122) joined ##slackware. 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[16:36] Meckafett (i=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:37] yay! i made it to noobfarm, it is an honor :D [16:37] booteco (n=dcz06@cohiba.c3sl.ufpr.br) joined ##slackware. [16:37] greetings [16:37] Pig_Pen, gratz :D [16:37] Action: slackytude checks [16:38] I have been researching a linux distribution to use for a forensic work station, and a recent discussion on a listserv pointed me to slackware. I was told it's more stable and secure than other linux types, and I understand (from lots of reading) the stable part, but I cant find out why it's more "secure". I'm new to linux, and I was wondering if there's some documentation on linux securtiy somewhere to support this. [16:38] all over a typo with a funny reply [16:39] b00jit (n=boojit@gw.carter.to) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [16:39] maxiconn: Forensic work station as in computer forensics? [16:39] maxiconn, funny enough, there was some dude in here some moons ago who does professional forensic work with slack [16:39] if you mean computer forensics [16:39] jkwood: yes [16:39] slackytude: Not moons ago. [16:40] SpacePlod: Around? [16:40] http://www.linuxleo.org/ [16:40] Exactly. [16:40] well, it was moons ago when I talked [16:40] ...with him [16:40] the postings i read had a link to the linuxleo stuff as well. I read the slackware parts [16:41] and I think I got the gist of that...I'm more wondering about the security part. [16:41] Well, security is a funny thing. [16:41] Slackware has a policy of not patching weird things into upstream software. [16:42] i like the "if it isnt broken dont fix it" policy [16:42] which linux(es) do that? [16:42] the good ones [16:42] Ubuntu, Debian, Red Hat, Fedora... those I know of. [16:43] They apply all sorts of patches to stuff, from the kernel to openssl. [16:43] the recent sshd bug was one of those [16:43] err, openssl [16:43] umm... debian & debian's children are patch happy tweakers [16:43] maxiconn: usability, features and so on are a tradeoff against using stable versions of the software [16:44] okay the real problem here is an ongoing argument at my work over which linux to standardize on. I want to use slackware because it comes highley recommended, but others want to use ubunun [16:44] ubuntu? for forensic work? [16:44] everything you guys have said is news to me and good stuff i did not know. [16:45] Also, Ubuntu doesn't come with development tools by default. Slackware does. [16:45] i've used slackware in hard disk labs [16:45] yes ubuntu. the linux fornesic group had people that like it and people that did not. the ones that like it said it was easier to learn [16:45] ubutnu is like hyperactive child that wont sit still, you would be better off with an old school distro that makes slow & stable progress, Slackware is best, but i would use debian before i would use ubuntu [16:45] i wouldnt want that forensic group in my murder scene [16:45] :P [16:45] So, if you need to compile some new forensic software, you'll spend an hour or so installing a development environment. [16:45] forensics people just now learning linux...wtf? [16:45] maxiconn: if you cant' get them on slackware, at least get them on debian :| [16:46] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1453 << another good reason ^-^ [16:46] maxiconn: it sounds like you have some PHBs on your standards board [16:46] I'd point out that the guide from LinuxLeo is written entirely based on the idea that A) you're running Slackware and/or B) You know what you're doing. [16:46] I agree, rather debain before ubuntu [16:47] It's also the best guide to computer forensics for Linux around. [16:47] yup, Fred is right, debian has some annoyances that are every bit as bad as rpm based distro's circular dependencies (rpm hell) [16:47] Barry's very smart, and very knowledgable. [16:47] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.2) left irc: [16:47] nullboy, you hit the nail on the head. thisis all about 'articulating' a choice and the phb's want things to be easy [16:47] Pig_Pen, aye. still worse in ubuntu, imho. [16:47] Ubuntu is NOT easy for computer forensics. [16:48] the install has to be uniform and theres' quite a fight going on. I need good ammo. [16:48] Trust me, I've tried. [16:48] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: "Leaving" [16:48] PHBs? [16:48] slackytude: Pointy-Haired Bosses. [16:48] but still, if i had to choose between debian & ubuntu i would prefer debian [16:48] linuxleo gave me a bunch, but when i brought up security the ubuntu crowd said it was better because patches are faster. [16:48] ahh, one of those [16:49] Bullcrap. [16:49] They're dead wrong on that. [16:49] eh? slackware does have prompt patches. just less ^-^ [16:49] In Ubuntu, they spend days arguing over whether it's even a security issue. [16:49] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:49] Check the bugtrackers. [16:50] In Slackware, they fix it and push it. [16:50] l4m4_m4n (n=lama@83.218.195.61) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:50] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:51] Ubuntu fixes security issues faster than, say, Microsoft. [16:51] But to compare it favorably to Slackware is ignorant. [16:52] my granny does faster patching than MS [16:52] lol [16:52] lmao [16:52] Also note that many of Ubuntu's security patches are to software that doesn't even appear in Slackware. [16:52] heh, slackware has less patches because pat & co. don't bother trying to much with everything [16:52] *muck [16:52] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:53] A distrubing number of them are to fix things they broke in the first place. [16:53] trust me, there's no shortage of ignorance here. the problem is that ubuntu lovers are everywhere, even in forensics. and arguing with them is tough. [16:53] what Linux does not need is a monoculture built around ubuntu [16:53] Pig_Pen, cant find you [16:53] I dont know enough about ubuntu to hate it, I just know from what i've read so far that slackware is better for me [16:54] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:54] http://www.noobfarm.org/?id=1452 [16:54] maxiconn: the patches are faster, and they get more out [16:54] the latter is for two reasons: [16:54] - they ship more stuff [16:54] - for stuff we both ship, they patch it and break it more often [16:54] uh? its not about hate. I used ubuntu and its ok. I dont have it on my machines and I wouldnt use it for tricky tasks. Its fine for some [16:55] also, just say 'openssl' enough times, and they'll give up :p [16:55] lol [16:55] sorry. din't mean hate, just "dislike for this purpose". [16:55] lol [16:55] Pig_Pen, hehe. I've read that but didnt notice your nick [16:57] lucasagomes (n=lucasago@200.210.129.2) left irc: "Leaving" [16:57] Yeah, openssl is the biggest thing I can think of. [16:57] grazymax (n=grazymax@host234-154-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:57] Slackware didn't have to patch tha vulnerability. [16:57] We never had it in the first place. [16:57] maxiconn: what they said ^^^^. That coversation on linux-forensics was frustrating as all get out. [16:57] SpacePlod: when did it take place? [16:57] i missed it [16:58] last week? or the week before? it was pretty recent. [16:58] hmm [16:58] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: "fui embora" [16:58] someone asked about the best distro, and that kicked it off. [16:58] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [16:59] lol [16:59] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) joined ##slackware. [16:59] heh, forensic nerds do the distro wars [16:59] I got frustrated because so many were suggesting ubuntu because it's "easy" [16:59] jkwood: ill just gather up all your quotes that you said [16:59] i've always used slackware for lowlevel type of work [16:59] but that's to be expected [16:59] I wish I'd been there. I could have thrown a nice vim vs emacs style flamewar, too [16:59] makes great argument points against buntu lol [17:00] slackytude: lol (vi ftw, btw) [17:00] lw0x15: I'd leave out teh part about Slackware patching faster. I may have been blusterig a bit on that. [17:00] SpacePlod, ^-^ agreed [17:00] jkwood: i'd rather have slower than few patches every week [17:00] (: [17:00] which is annoying [17:01] and which is happening with ubuntu [17:01] Oh, one more thing... LTS? [17:01] haha [17:01] We don't have Long Term Support releases. [17:01] maxiconn: if your reason for using linux on a forensic box is b/c it's not windows, then why choose a linux distro that tries so hard to act like windows? [17:01] look at the slackware backported security updates though [17:01] Every Slackware since 8.1 gets security patches. [17:01] jkwood, I thought slack only had LTS releases ^-^ [17:01] slackytude: Exactly. [17:02] Action: slackytude nods [17:02] I admin a Feisty fawn machine at work... They dropped support for it last month. [17:02] No more patches of any kind. [17:02] lame [17:02] They're still letting out Efty patches, though. [17:03] omzine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: "Where ever you may be, be well. Namarië." [17:03] the thing I hate most about ubuntu (and a couple other OSes) is the cutesy release names [17:03] okay. so bottom line is that slackware is more secure because it does NOT patch as much (and so does not break as much) as others? and I should be able to find examples on google (openssl, sshd, etc.)? [17:03] tho if I understand correctly, at least the ubuntu animal names go in alphabetical order [17:03] Urchlay, yeah, confsing [17:04] nothing so much fun as trying to figure out whether a tiger, a panther, or a leopard is a "higher version" of cat... [17:04] so "Feisty Fawn" would be the release after "Ewhatever Eft", not *too* confusing [17:04] error_de6eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:04] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [17:05] spaceplod, people want to use linux so they can use dd and autopsy. they say that both work the same on slackware and ubuntu, so just use ubunut [17:05] maxiconn, it doesnt need as much. partly because it uses stable software releases instead of cutting edge and partly because it doesnt mess with stuff (like the bugs debian introduced in openssl when they messed with it) [17:07] ... [17:07] ^^^stable vs. cutting edge. Take heed. This is the primary reason I give in the linuxleo doc, and the same reason I advocated (for a long time) sticking with kernel 2.4 over 2.6. [17:07] Hi there SpacePlod :-) [17:07] Hi alienBOB! [17:08] Was just looking at the hat ... it is on top of the server monitor [17:08] maxiconn: and if people only want dd and TSK stuff, then use cygwin. Using linux for forensics goes way WAY deeper than using dd. [17:08] mount -o loop anyone? [17:09] alienBOB: glad it's in a nice home! [17:09] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.21.88) joined ##slackware. [17:11] okay. Im reading on debian ssh problems right now. Slackware didn't have this problem? [17:11] correct [17:12] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:12] (totally biased opinion): slack is easier to build packages for. [17:12] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [17:13] cemunal (n=cemunal@unaffiliated/cemunal) joined ##slackware. [17:13] cemunal (n=cemunal@unaffiliated/cemunal) left ##slackware. [17:13] cemunal (n=cemunal@unaffiliated/cemunal) joined ##slackware. [17:13] yup, you would be installing dozens of extra -dev packages because the developer decided to pull all those good things out and package them separately [17:13] spaceplod if linuxleo is yours, you should add some of this stuff in. [17:13] hi hi hi [17:13] slackware makes that unnecessart [17:13] can we play drm protected files under linux? [17:13] this is all good stuff to know. [17:14] what's the rationale for doing that? saving disk space by not installing headers? does that even make sense? [17:14] i dont get it either, the headers dont amount to much at all as far as disk space is concerned [17:14] cemunal, depends [17:14] anyone running the new current here ? [17:14] Urchlay, too make it easier, afaik [17:15] maybe debian does it so they can count it as another package (so they can brag about having so many packages to choose from) [17:15] maxiconn: I thought most of it was in there already. Maybe not wordy enough, but I think it's moslty covered. [17:15] ...so, a dependency-resolution script for slack: does one exist that isn't terrible? if I wrote one that isn't terrible, would people use it? [17:16] mogunus, there are tools that do it, some use it, but probably not the regulars of ##slackware [17:16] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:16] mogunus: some people would probably use it. Unless you convince Pat to include it in the next Slackware release, it'll always be a niche-market thing [17:16] (and I think Pat has made it clear he's not interested in such a thing) [17:17] ech0s7 (n=ech0s7@151.56.68.5) joined ##slackware. [17:17] why with acpi i don't get the time left of battery, otherwise i get with acpitoo: http://rafb.net/p/QFMRwQ61.html ? [17:17] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:18] okay everyone. very educational. thanks for the information. i have alot more to go on now. got to run now. [17:18] i like it that Slackware does not have dependency resolution which allows for a finer grained custom install (both during the install of the OS & afterwards) [17:18] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) joined ##slackware. [17:18] maxiconn: ping me offline if you need any specific help. [17:18] is it just me or is Okular a steaming pile? [17:18] Fair enough. I found myself in dependency hell a bit ago, trying to install a video editor, and then a flash card program. SBo had everything, but god it was annoying. [17:18] thx [17:18] maxiconn (n=maxiconn@208.253.106.122) left irc: "leaving" [17:19] anyone using the current tree and can help me to see if bug in 12.2 is fixed in the current or not. [17:20] cemunal (n=cemunal@unaffiliated/cemunal) left ##slackware. [17:20] Tyrael: what bug? [17:20] []cipher (n=cipher@41.252.51.42) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:21] take a look at /usr/lib/pkgconfig/pm-utils.pc [17:21] i don't use pm-utils [17:21] and look for this line [17:21] pm_powerhooks=${pm_libdir)/power.d [17:21] i'll check though [17:21] see the ) instead of } [17:22] Tyrael: 9:pm_powerhooks=${pm_libdir}/power.d [17:22] fixed [17:22] ok, than its only a 12.2 bug [17:23] berkough (n=berkough@ip70-180-206-62.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:23] lets see, report the bug than :P [17:23] ? [17:24] you asked about and i don't even use pm-utils, you report it [17:24] I will [17:24] just telling it :) [17:25] nophis (n=nophis@unaffiliated/nophis) joined ##slackware. [17:25] nullboy: Just you (re: Okular). [17:25] damn [17:26] it looks like it could be a video driver thing though [17:26] Which video card driver? [17:27] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-228.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:27] dusty__ (n=dusty@88-105-91-228.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [17:28] nvidia prop. [17:29] under heavy load, using Okular, i can scroll through pages but the viewing window distorts at the top and bottom and the middle of the view window doesn't update [17:30] i said viewing window, i mean viewing pane in this case. the other panes stay fine [17:30] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.119) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:31] Which version? [17:31] driver? [17:32] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:32] /SPACE/Builds/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-180.29-pkg1.run* and Okular under -current [17:32] i'll try to reproduce [17:32] i closed Okular and reopened and it's fine again [17:33] Hmm... You might try 180.37. Skip .35 for sure, it's most assuredly a pile. [17:33] booteco (n=dcz06@cohiba.c3sl.ufpr.br) left ##slackware. [17:33] haha yeah i tried .35 [17:33] it blowed up [17:35] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "leaving" [17:35] manuw (n=x42@debiancenter/developer/manuw) left ##slackware. [17:37] nullboy: I was looking for the "linux choice" thread we talked about earlier. I was wrong, it was on sleuthkit-users, not linux-forensics. You didn't miss it, on the off chance you were wondering. [17:38] ah [17:38] well that linux forensics LEFE site is nice [17:39] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-200-193.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:39] bbl [17:39] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:40] i just finished building firefox with optimization enabled [17:40] thanks. input is always appreciated, btw - if anyone has any feedback. rworkman helped me quite abit. [17:40] SpacePlod: that's your write up? [17:40] yes [17:40] nice work! [17:41] thanks. I get the impression from lurking around here that you do some recovery stuff yourself. [17:41] I've learned a couple of pointers. [17:41] yeah, i previously worked in a hard disk distributor's disk lab and now i do it for people who want to pay me more ;) [17:42] nophis (n=nophis@unaffiliated/nophis) left irc: "Leaving" [17:42] dude...you'd be gold in a few forensic labs I know of. [17:43] berkough (n=berkough@ip70-180-206-62.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:43] ironically, along with having this topic come up in here, this morning i was called by the place i worked for before. the CFO had a disk failure and now they need to pay me to get data off [17:43] yay! [17:44] nullboy, does that optimization really work ? [17:44] DeeeeP: i'll find out soon [17:44] u notice ? [17:44] oh ok , let us know then [17:44] :) [17:44] will do [17:44] that oughta be some $$$$ [17:45] yep it will be good for me [17:46] sometimes i feel funny about thriving off of the disk failures of people...but then i just keep eating [17:46] eating well too, I bet. [17:47] error_de6eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Reconnecting" [17:47] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:47] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:47] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn18.78-99-54.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [17:48] ok so to answer the Firefox built optimization enabled...i don't notice anything different [17:49] ok , pitty [17:50] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*vncs*@189.* expired. [17:50] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*vncs*@189.*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [17:51] boojit (n=boojit@gw.carter.to) joined ##slackware. [17:51] i hate when someone pranks me with some web page ... i set firefox to show me tabs from last time [17:52] P4C0 (n=pcuser@190.141.75.90) joined ##slackware. [17:52] hello [17:53] is there any guy to install the kde4 on slackware 12.2? [17:55] I hope you mean guide [17:55] oh, yes, sorry, typo :p [17:55] ^-^ [17:55] I mean do I need to install kde 3? [17:55] I'm making a fresh install [17:55] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:56] allend (n=david@144.137.7.170) joined ##slackware. [17:56] Since last week, there is no official set of KDE4 packages for Slackware 12.2 - only for slackware-current [17:57] Well.. since the day when we added KDE 4.2.1 [17:57] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:58] mikk0 (n=mikk01@YKMMMLV.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:58] G'day, folks ... How's everyone for the day/night? (depending where you may be) [17:58] aren't they on testing? I thought I read something about that, wait, let me check the changelog and release notice [17:58] DeeeeP: pranks you with a webpage? i think that is called being "rickrolled" [17:59] There was a time when it was called "duckrolled" [17:59] That was much more lulz imho. [17:59] Pig_Pen, that , and there's more [17:59] Pig_Pen, wanna see ? [17:59] sure, since i know what to expect [17:59] here comes the goatse [17:59] lol [17:59] P4C0: there is no /testing in slackware 12.2 [17:59] can i post it in channel ? [18:00] or everyone's favorite tubgirl [18:00] can i ? [18:00] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [18:00] The /testing is for slackware-current [18:00] I leave 2 girls 1 cup going as my screen saver most of the day. keeps people out of my office. [18:00] is it nasty like gostse or tubgirl? [18:00] DeeeeP: I will tell you after I banned you [18:00] lol ok [18:00] alienBOB: The real question is how long until slack 13? :D [18:01] I think this would be a good time for another huge version jump, actually. [18:01] Pig_Pen, kinda yeah , ill just pm you with link [18:01] 13 is a momentous number. Maybe it ought to be Roman numerals [18:01] eviljames: moldy men do bad bad things to your browser [18:01] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.180.125) joined ##slackware. [18:01] Slackware XIII has a nice ring to it [18:01] eviljames: when it is ready (tm) [18:01] Let's petition Pat to jump to version 30. That way it can be SLACKWRE XXX [18:01] hmmm what's the best for me to do?? install 12.2 and upgrade to current? [18:01] alienBOB: heh, per usual :D [18:02] P4C0: you could compile all KDE4 packages yourself, so that you are sure that they will work with your Slackware 12.2 [18:04] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:04] Xires (n=Xires@71-11-230-70.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:04] alienBOB: upgrading to -current is not a good idea? [18:09] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:09] P4C0: slackware-current is for those who know what they are doing [18:10] It is our development version, things can be broken and we would expect of you that you know how to keep your system operational [18:10] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [18:11] ark is just a crap of software [18:12] is it posible to remotely dump everything that i have access to in to a file? [18:16] acidchild: huh? you want to make a tarball of the entire internet? [18:16] that would be... impressive [18:17] if u wanna backup the internet, use at least tar with gz :) [18:17] Kerio2004 (n=Port@212.118.140.236) joined ##slackware. [18:17] allend (n=david@144.137.7.170) left ##slackware. [18:17] Meckafett (i=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) joined ##slackware. [18:17] alienBOB: i think i will give it a try [18:18] Urchlay: lol i ment SQL :P [18:18] lol [18:19] chicken fajitas for supper :D [18:20] milk_ (n=milk@cpc2-ely14-0-0-cust139.cdif.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [18:21] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.6) left irc: [18:23] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-12-212.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:26] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-12-212.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:28] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [18:28] mogunus (n=annalisa@wsip-70-184-14-138.ri.ri.cox.net) left ##slackware. 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[18:39] god [18:39] latex [18:39] god [18:40] dive: isnt that "god latex \god" ? :P [18:40] muh [18:41] more like \god[latex]{god} [18:41] ah, right [18:41] its been a while [18:41] i'm migrating from lyx to kile [18:41] i used kile too back then [18:41] never really had to look at the code before [18:42] "the not so short guide to LaTeX" is indispensiable imho [18:42] I've given up trying to fix /vbox erros [18:42] "badness 10000"? [18:42] yeah and that [18:43] so long as it previews in kdvi it's gonna be fine from now on [18:43] acidchild: if it's mysql, you can use mysqldump [18:43] can't remember how to do the same in postgres [18:43] Urchlay: pg_dump? [18:43] sounds familiar [18:44] Urchlay: i did a for loop and mysqldump =P [18:44] Urchlay: thank you for reminding me though, i have to remember to enter the password for each table. [18:44] database* [18:45] P4C0 (n=pcuser@190.141.75.90) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). 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[18:52] the xfce4-thumbnailer is telling me tetex is not installed when in fact it is. anyone else gotten this issue? [18:52] (the configure script is halting on this) [18:53] dartmouth: does --help show you anything like "--with-tetex-dir=" or some such? [18:54] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [18:54] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:54] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:54] here on 12.1 the header files are in /usr/share/texmf/include/*.h [18:54] ... for reasons unknown [18:55] linuxfoundation as We're Linux videos now .... [18:55] oh wiat.. those are for kpathsea [18:55] kitche: s/as/has/? [18:55] macavity: yeah [18:56] it's fromt he whole I am a mac and I m a apc and stuff .... [18:56] kitche: Is it still deader than dead from /.? [18:57] eviljames: not from what I can see [18:57] great i just got 5 minute epoxy in my hair [18:57] seems like they got a backup site up eviljames [18:57] nullboy: have we been hardware hacking again? [18:58] always! [18:58] dios_mio (i=test@88.241.132.152) left irc: "Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC." [18:58] eviljames: hmm actually some of the videos won't work but some are on youtube [18:58] It worked for me, eviljames. [18:59] nullboy: what needed to submit to your will this time? (aside from the, obviously clueless, epoxy) [18:59] ah, it had melted earlier, good to see they're online so quick though [18:59] well this time it isn't exactly a piece of electronics...my glasses broke [18:59] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [19:00] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:01] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [19:02] LINgo is funny [19:03] nullboy: gotta hate when that happens. [19:03] yes it sucks [19:05] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [19:05] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtToIveHqJY <- i like that the first thing he says "linux" is... is freedom :P [19:06] nullboy: have you checked the prices on laser eye fixes? [19:06] macavity: yes, i'm scared [19:07] not about the prices though [19:07] huh? [19:07] scared? [19:07] about the possibility of making it worse or giving me halos [19:07] i'd go insane [19:07] I'm gonna put halos on my car [19:07] i have yet to hear of a mishab [19:07] macavity: He's afraid that the laser will reflect off his tinfoil hat and explode. [19:07] here they do it in ~10 minutes [19:08] I'm not quite sure what they do with the laser [19:08] i am saving up myself [19:08] some people end up with what is called "the halo effect" with lights [19:08] i'd seriously go nuts [19:08] I just know I saw I Am Legend..where the cure for cancer killed everyone [19:08] straterra: they polish/shape the outer lens [19:08] lostnhell (n=Unknown@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:09] nullboy: havent heard of it.. will look into it [19:09] yikes. $2500 for Lasik here [19:10] eviljames: that's usually per eye too [19:10] I always picture the cheap version of lasik, where a star wars stormtrooper says "OK, hold still" and shoots you in the eye [19:11] Ilie (n=c0smin@93.112.88.156) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [19:11] (I guess their guns really aren't supposed to be lasers though) [19:11] macavity: have you seen the LINgo video yet? [19:11] eviljames: i'm willing to pay out the 6g to have them fixed though...provided it won't make it worse [19:12] I'd do it. [19:13] kitche: nope [19:13] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:13] kitche: link? too much crap shows up when i search for it [19:14] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.82.117) left irc: "Quit" [19:14] I would be scared at lasering my eyes too. [19:14] It's just that... it's your eyes! Of all things it's the last thing I'd want damaged. [19:14] found it! [19:15] Zosma: and one of the hardest things to fix/undo [19:15] Exactly. [19:15] LULZ [19:15] they've gotta be weak enough so that they can't do *that* much damage, don't you think? [19:16] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [19:16] thrice`: some people have been totally jacked up though [19:16] nullboy: ive just been browsing for info here.. [19:17] for my situation, i'm astigmatic and that is a perfect candidate for the procedure [19:17] I'm not sure, but... isn't it also the case that if your eyes go worse (or will be better)... you need glasses/contact lenses after all? [19:17] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE73C6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:17] Like if they progress naturally. [19:17] Zosma: some people report that they needed to get it done again, years later [19:17] Mmmyes. [19:18] Because my eyes are still 'changing' so to speak. [19:18] nullboy: there are apparently two kinds of laser eye fix.. the one where they replace the inner lens with an artificial one, and the kind where they just "adjust" the outer lens. The former has a mishap ratio of approx 1%, and the other one is considered safe by the danish blah-blah-blah-healthcare-counsil-intranslatable-stuff-and-stuff [19:18] yeah [19:18] macavity: it's considered safe here too but some people report the halo/haze thing [19:18] that's really the only thing that stops me from going for it [19:19] good i know where they keep the statistical year books in the library :P [19:19] http://www.usaeyes.org/lasik/faq/lasik-pupil-size.htm [19:19] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:19] Shuren (n=Devilman@host25-171-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:20] What if I already get the Halo effect? [19:20] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [19:20] Think the odds are bad for me getting laser? [19:20] eviljames: you have astigmatism? [19:20] can you write to a database from within a spreadsheet? [19:20] nullboy: very much so. [19:20] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:20] eviljames: astigmatic people are perfect candidates for this, i'm in the same boat [19:21] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [19:21] nullboy: Sweet. time for me to start saving my pennies. [19:21] nullboy: good reading! [19:21] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE73C6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:22] nullboy: perfect candidates for getting the halo effect? or perfect candidates for a good fix? [19:23] macavity: for a good fix [19:23] jonsmith1982: You probably can. Excel has a VB interface for example [19:23] astigmatism == "build error" && != "lens bend error"? [19:23] the astigmatic condition is easy to fix, it's basically just an abnormal bend in the lens [19:23] hahah! [19:24] eg, regular lenses cant correct for it.. they have to be slightly angled? [19:24] macavity: talking about the glasses? [19:24] yeah [19:24] yup [19:24] ah, ok, then im a perfect candidate too [19:25] i have -6.0, -0.75 [19:25] i don't even remember mine but it's getting worse as i age [19:25] the -0.75 is tollerable [19:25] but on my left side everthing is a blur [19:25] in the last few years, from 24-27 my eyes have grown/changed/whatever [19:25] ... not good when driving [19:26] macavity: it's especially bad for me at night [19:26] day time driving is ok [19:26] jiffypop (n=ace@mobile-166-217-123-042.mycingular.net) joined ##slackware. [19:26] ah, i have nearly perfect nightvision [19:26] its the twilight that kills me [19:26] i can miss a door handle if the light is "medium gray" [19:27] i only need glasses for small print, a pair of non-prescription reading glasses do me just fine [19:27] i cant use correction :-/ [19:28] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.119) joined ##slackware. [19:28] because there is such a huge difference from the one eye to the other, my brain refuses to accept the input when my left eye all of the sudden works [19:29] it is really annoying, since i read with the left eye and shoot with the right [19:29] so, most the time i have the book at 20-25cm from my nose [19:29] i went through that feeling when i first go glasses to fix it. it caused massive headaches and i'd have to rest from the glasses for a long time before the muscles in my eye sockets got used to it [19:29] both my eyes are the same, -6.0..blind as a bat. [19:29] even people with good vision will favor one eye over the other like some people are left handed and some are right handed, the airforce discovered this while training pilots to use some high tech headgear for managing weapons and radar systems [19:30] ... i bullseye at 300m without optics though [19:30] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.57) joined ##slackware. [19:31] Pig_Pen: ive known that for years... and which of your eyes are the controlling one depends on both range and complexity of task [19:31] s/are/is/ [19:31] ergh. [19:32] Action: Urchlay needs new eyes [19:32] yup, i am mostly left handed at most tasks, but for some odd reason i play the guitar right handed and use my computer mouse with a right handed configutation [19:32] thats what i dream about :P [19:32] Pig_Pen: thats just like my GF [19:32] but i do prefer to fire a rifle and pistol left handed [19:32] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-210-194.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:33] Pig_Pen: it's not that weird for a left-handed person to play guitar right-handed. 500 years ago when the guitar was new, the left hand would just hold a chord for a while, and the right hand did all the fancy flamenco/fingerpicking stuff [19:33] I know people who are left-handed but still use their right hand for, hmm, well, :D [19:33] Pig_Pen: how about skateboarding? left foot front, or right? (or goofy style?) [19:33] most guitar players now, the left hand does fancy fretwork, so being left-handed gives you an advantage [19:34] left foot rear on the board while pushing with the right and right foot in front [19:34] goofy style [19:34] yeah [19:34] i was never very good on a skateboard [19:34] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [19:34] this old man used to skate halfpipes. :P [19:34] neither was i [19:35] i can ollie [19:35] .. then about two years ago i tried again.. *man* i was good :P [19:35] ;P [19:35] i dared to all the things i had envisioned SO many times as a kid, but never dared do [19:35] i bought a mountain bicycle last year, now that the weather is getting warm i need to put some miles on it [19:35] othon (n=othon@189.0.192.152) joined ##slackware. [19:36] apparently going over them in my mind so many times had an effect after all :P [19:36] and all that Tony Hawk Pro Skater [19:36] it helped a lot, too. [19:36] Nick change: othon -> focker_BRA [19:36] that was WAY befor my time on a skateboard [19:36] eeek [19:37] Wait, what/ [19:37] my time on a skateboard was WAY before that [19:37] ^^ [19:37] oh heh [19:37] Action: macavity is now known as CovertConfuser [19:37] lol [19:37] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:38] search icanhascheezburger.com for "algeblah" :P [19:39] whats the difference between video cards classified as "desktop graphics" and "workstation graphics"? [19:39] The price. [19:39] workkstatin mainyl has more power more ofr cad programs mainly [19:39] ah [19:39] there is no ISO specification for how to classsifiy graphics chips... so to all intends and purposes, those are just buss words [19:40] i just want one that'll let me change my paradigm to web 2.0 [19:40] pick the one that has the features you know you need... and then get it in as high a clockrate on both GPU and GRAM as you can afford [19:41] Then cluster a dozen of them together and model the stock market in realtime with only a second of latency. [19:41] .. and be prepared that in exactly 18 months it is worth exactly a quarter of the purchace price if you sell it on ebay [19:41] Why would you sell a stock market model on ebay? [19:42] because my neighbour is very unlikely to want to buy it? [19:42] the pizza boy likewise [19:43] and well.. if i buy seccond hand hardware i pay half the price of the list prices of new items the day i get it [19:43] weedar (n=vn@82.194.215.135) left irc: Connection timed out [19:43] that was hard to read, wasnt it? [19:44] *shrug* I'm only marginally literate anyway, so it has no effect [19:45] but you got the point about half price of current unused market price, right? [19:46] If I'm reading right: buying the same piece of hardware second-hand cuts your cost for it in half, by the time you are able to afford the bauble in question [19:46] s/afford/acquire/ [19:47] consequently yes [19:47] any peice if new crap is *gennerally* at half price in 18 months anyways [19:48] I hope it's less time than that. I'm salivating over an i7 at the moment, but don't want to spend 400 on the chip alone [19:48] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:48] (+ requisite mobo/ram upgrades) [19:48] I've stopped buying graphics adapters, because onboard graphics are good enough for the things I need most of the time and I don't really feel like spending a lot of money on something that will be hardly worth anything in 18 months, like macavity says. [19:48] psychicist: agreed. I have onboard intel in every one of my systems at home. Works fine for me. [19:48] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:48] i can do with a QX$SOMETHING_BIG for the moment :P [19:49] has DDR2-1333 hit the streets yet? [19:49] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:50] or are we still betting on high latency high bandwidth DDR3-2133 for 1066FSB models? 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[19:55] I have a phenom q9650 with 8 gb memory and radeonhd 3200 onboard graphics in my current system. it's not the fastest or anything, but it gets the job done for me. there's also less of a reason to upgrade, phenom II would give me maybe 50% more performance per core and i7 is finally a decent architecture from intel, but I'd only upgrade if I could get say 12-16 cores on a chip and 32-128 gb in total in the system (I would go for a dua [19:57] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [19:58] Action: Camarade_Tux just decided to stay away from intel-hey-we-advertise-that-nice-feature-you'd-really-benefit-from-we-won't-tell-you-it's-actually-not-available-in-your-cpu [19:58] and good night [19:58] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [19:58] Hmm. [19:58] JerrySabor (n=user@c-98-196-82-196.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] wtf? [19:58] heh. 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[20:05] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [20:05] I wonder what that feature is, although it might be the fact that some core 2 processors or the bioses of the computing devices containing them have virtualisation disabled and has been a reason for me to stay away from them too [20:10] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-430645.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:10] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [20:10] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) left irc: Client Quit [20:10] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:11] xdan779 (n=daniel@64-233-207-75.static.nap.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [20:13] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [20:13] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [20:17] JerrySabor (n=user@c-98-196-82-196.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) left irc: "Blank" [20:21] starfruit (n=starfrui@cpe-98-155-141-157.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:21] is there a page like this for amd processors? http://processorfinder.intel.com/List.aspx?ParentRadio=All&ProcFam=483&SearchKey= [20:22] TwinReverb (n=robert@210.182.33.9) joined ##slackware. [20:22] http://processorfinder.amd.com/List.aspx?ParentRadio=All&ProcFam=483&SearchKey= ? [20:22] lol [20:23] anyone know how to edit the logout process so that LVM and/or LUKS can actually close themselves down fully? [20:23] Hmm. [20:23] Looks like the Intel C++ compiler only comes in RPM flavore. [20:25] TwinReverb: are you talking about the unable to blah blah error? [20:25] TwinReverb: at the very end of the shutdown process [20:25] yeah, it doesn't seem to affect anything, but i'm just wondering [20:25] that's hamless [20:25] harm* [20:25] and also, i don't seem to see that happen on -current anymore [20:25] since i know it remounts / as RO and unmounts everything. i figured maybe it was a programming thing with LUKS/LVM in the sense that they don't know what to do when the FS on top of them gets mounted RO [20:26] maybe it could be a feature later that LUKS and/or LVM, if they see the FS get mounted RO, switch to synchronous mode [20:26] or maybe a mount option so that mount can communicate with luks/lvm [20:27] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:27] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:27] i'm pretty sure i haven't seen it happen on -current now...maybe since the last update [20:27] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:29] maybe userspace tools have been updated since then [20:29] what kernel is -current on these days? [20:29] 2.6.28.7, I think. [20:29] Action: macavity is too lazy to look it up [20:29] 2.6.28.7 [20:29] i'm waiting for the new version of xfce to hit -current [20:29] good [20:30] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [20:30] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.21.88) left irc: "Leaving" [20:30] Yep. [20:30] Action: TwinReverb uses 2.6.28.8 [20:30] then at least there is a chance that 13.0 can haz xserver 1.6.x and mesa 7.4 [20:30] that will make things *so* much easier for me :P [20:30] TwinReverb: You mean like xap/xfce-4.6.0-i486-2.tgz: Recompiled against libwnck-2.24.2. [20:31] > [20:31] ? [20:31] TwinReverb: xfce's latest *is* in -current [20:31] alienBOB, cool [20:31] alienBOB, your opinion on the state of -current right now? worth giving a try [20:31] ? [20:31] TwinReverb: I use it on all my machines except for the server [20:31] hba (n=hba@148.208.237.8) left irc: "leaving" [20:32] alienBOB, roger that [20:32] -current... Just Do It(TM) [20:32] macavity: add "and be sure you know how to un-break your box" [20:32] I'm been running everything fine in current but kde4 [20:33] alienBOB, or "-current: never leave home without it ... and a 500gb usb external" :D [20:33] alienBOB: i though -current was an acronym for that :P [20:33] starfruit (n=starfrui@cpe-98-155-141-157.hawaii.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [20:33] macavity: I do not know of anyone who runs a stable 1.6.x xorg-server with latest libdrm and mesa ... or was able to build the full x/x11 with those at all [20:34] alienBOB: i am getting pretty close.. only evdev seems to have hickups [20:34] the only thing that sucks about -current is that you can't really compile stuff for a moving target. you can, but most people don't have the time [20:34] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [20:34] granted, firefox and skype and openoffice are all binary installs so i can deal with them :D [20:34] macavity: unfortunately there are several "well-respected" sites that tel people to move to -current right after installing a stable release [20:34] alienBOB: as in, every time i press a key it is sent to screen three times [20:34] alienBOB: eeeek?!? [20:35] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:35] Well my goal is to kill these misconceptions one by one [20:35] aye aye Captin! :P [20:35] -current is only for people who know slackware well enough and linux well enough to be able to get themselves out of a nasty situation if something goes wrong [20:35] And still a lot of people confuse "current" with "uptodate stable" [20:35] yeah [20:36] anyone who does not have a regular slackware boot media handy is a fool [20:36] btw thanks alienBOB for your README_CRYPTO.TXT. it worked the first time, and worked like a charm [20:36] macavity, or is someone who simply doesn't tamper much with things :) [20:36] Anyone who uses swaret to keep his box "current" was in for a nasty surprise last week when discovering that suddenly KDE looked mighty different :-) [20:36] haha [20:36] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.21.88) joined ##slackware. [20:37] *anyone* should have that.. regardless of their level of desire to tinker [20:37] i tried the new kde on mandriva. i about barfed. [20:37] tntslack (n=will@adsl9-26.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:37] things *can* blow up... ive seen lilo do a complete hickup for absolutely no good reason once... and ive seen grub do it about a handfull of times [20:37] TwinReverb: it is not that bad. On Slackware -current it is stable and fast enough, and lacks some key apps (well "key" to some) [20:38] K3B still isn't quite right. [20:38] Kolf needs work. [20:38] is koffice continuing? [20:38] Twinreverb: I tried the new KDE on OpenSuse.......didn't like it. Put Slack 12.2 back on my test box. [20:38] i am holding out for kde 4.3.5 :P [20:38] Action: jkwood looks pointedly at thrice` [20:38] Koffice works fine. [20:38] bbeecher (n=bbeecher@stu233-167.bard.edu) joined ##slackware. [20:39] g'night [20:39] TwinReverb (n=robert@210.182.33.9) left irc: "Leaving" [20:39] if i know the KDE project right, that is about when everything starts playing the really sweet tune [20:39] I still use OOo, though. [20:39] g'night Twin [20:39] mth- (i=1000@pc-23-182-45-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [20:39] hi guys [20:39] 'ello [20:40] jkwood: is koffice 2.x still in beta? [20:40] hitest : which kde did you try? [20:40] 4.1 I think it was [20:40] The 4.2.1 is a lot better [20:40] ah [20:40] ty [20:40] hitest : yeah, 4.1 is not worth really using. try 4.2 if you want to give 4 a shot [20:41] hitest : /msg susehelp kde42 [20:41] macavity: do you know when 4.3.5 should be released? [20:41] Look forward to 4.2 in the next slackware [20:42] Is libstdc++.so.5 supposed to be in any paths? [20:42] ccfreak2k : define 'paths' [20:42] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:42] Anjo_Malvado: they are planing an y release every six months, and a z release *about* every 30 days, so you can do the math :P [20:43] ananke: hehe was gonna ask that [20:43] ricktl (n=slackwar@201.78.31.16) left irc: "Saindo" [20:43] MakubeX (i=horas@ia.puu.la) left irc: Connection reset by peer [20:43] ccfreak2k: something is looking for it but didn't find? [20:43] Anjo_Malvado, right. [20:43] ccfreak2k: check you /etc/ld.so.conf [20:43] Anjo_Malvado: that should be in about a year or so... but i would not be surprised if it ends up 18 months or so [20:43] ccfreak2k: it should have /usr/i486-slackware-linux/lib [20:43] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.7.234) joined ##slackware. [20:43] ccfreak2k: s/you/your/ [20:44] evening guys [20:44] with regard to system resources does KDE 4.2.1 use less system resources than KDE 3.5.10. KDE 4.1 in suse was a pig, used lots of resources. [20:44] macavity: meh [20:44] Anjo_Malvado, yep, the file is there (slocated it), but the script didn't find it, so I wonder if it just didn't look in the right place. [20:44] ccfreak2k: does /etc/ld.so.conf contain the path I sent above? [20:44] It does. [20:45] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [20:45] ccfreak2k: try running: ldconfig [20:45] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:45] ccfreak2k: as root, then try again compiling [20:45] MIrrorIMage (n=MIrrorIM@75-143-74-19.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:45] Anjo_Malvado, no dice. [20:46] ccfreak2k: what compile command are you using? [20:46] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:46] I'm not compiling. [20:46] MIrrorIMage (n=MIrrorIM@75-143-74-19.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:46] ccfreak2k: hummm [20:46] v4nelle (n=van@adsl134-146.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:46] i'm leaving from this http://www.wunderground.com/US/CA/Ventura.html to land in this http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/71879.html [20:46] ccfreak2k: who doesn't find it? [20:47] I'll answer the obvious question by saying that I'm attempting to install the Intel C++ compiler. [20:47] ccfreak2k: ldd it [20:47] hiya, folks...stupid question time again: i've got a linksys usb adapter that comes and goes in both xp and slack [20:47] ccfreak2k: if it states odd versions of something, make symlinks to the think that looks the closest [20:47] i used ndiswrapper for it in knoppix [20:47] macavity, err, what am I ldding? [20:48] Nick change: Tyrael -> Tyrael_ [20:48] jiffypop: 1) it's a piece of crap or 2) you're having range/signal issues [20:48] slack sees it and it shows up in my wifi manager [20:48] ccfreak2k: the thing that wont run? [20:48] lol, hear ya nullboy [20:48] but my question is [20:48] Well, it's not that it doesn't run. It's the shell script telling me that libstdc++.so.5 is missing. [20:48] lostnhell (n=Unknown@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:49] since it's recognized i don't need ndiswrapper, correct? i just need to edit a config file somewhere? [20:49] ccfreak2k: shellscript?!? [20:49] ccfreak2k: as in, it has some install-helper? [20:49] Yeah I guess. [20:49] jiffypop: recognized in what way? you have an interface name showing for it in iwconfig or recognized as in all you see is it in lsusb? [20:49] ccfreak2k: then whats the problem? [20:50] don't *really* need it but since i have it, i figured i would see if i could make it happen [20:50] The problem is what I stated: it says libstdc++.so.5 is missing [20:50] ccfreak2k: open it in a text editor and make it submit to your mighty powers [20:50] Doing that now. [20:50] yes, it shows in lsusb so that negates the need for ndiswrapper, yes? [20:50] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:50] macavity: it's an auto-extractable 'binary' [20:50] jiffypop: No [20:51] jiffypop: I still need ndiswrapper and I see mine in lsusb [20:51] pirving: cool deal [20:51] jiffypop: nope, all that tells you that the system has usb ids for that device [20:51] Anjo_Malvado, actually it's a tarball with script and shit inside, and the binaries are in RPMs I think. I saw "rpmextract" or something to that effect too, so I figured I'd give it a shot. [20:52] I love ndiswrapper [20:52] i hate it [20:52] we want proper drivers instead... [20:52] right [20:53] unencumbered in-tree drivers.. preferably without any binary blobs [20:53] gotcha. like i say, i've got it laying around and figured i would see if i could make it work for when my AT&T signal isn't working on my sierra card [20:53] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:53] i am currently having a whack at dis assembling the intel ucode [20:53] ya never know where a wifi network might be hiding [20:53] woops [20:53] so far it looks like it is a p54 core [20:53] macavity, might I suggest openbsd then? :) [20:53] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.21.88) left irc: "Leaving" [20:54] ccfreak2k: why? they are in the same shitty situation as us [20:54] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:54] Because they (the kernel devs) don't compromize with projects like ndiswrapper. [20:54] so what do they use? [20:54] live without that device [20:55] which is just as bad [20:55] Pretty much. [20:55] thats not much of a solution. There are a bunch of USB windows type adapters out there. [20:55] MakubeX (i=horas@ia.puu.la) joined ##slackware. [20:55] i bought the linksys a couple years back because i move folks for a living and am always on the road. it doesn't cost me 60 bucks a month like my sierra card :-/ [20:56] ccfreak2k: yeah... [20:56] kamaji_ (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [20:56] get a ralink device and a wok :P [20:56] i use a rtl8187 usb adapter sometimes and it works well [20:56] talking of which.. i need to find out what kind of CPU is on the ralink cards [20:56] What a pain. [20:56] well I guess you could use a linux ndiswrapper setup proxy server or gateway or something [20:56] There's no indication that the script shouldn't find libstdc++. [20:56] i also use atheros pccards and intel mpcie cards [20:56] air802 rocks [20:57] ccfreak2k: you *do* have cxxlibs installed, right? [20:57] ccfreak2k: it is not just some stale symlink you find there, right? [20:57] I have a netgear WN111 that took me a few days to find the right driver files. .... the *.inf and the *.sys file [20:57] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [20:58] Got libstdc++.so.5.0.7. [20:58] So I would assume so. [20:58] good [20:58] macavity: what is a p54 core? I suspect the ralink cards have a mips (or possibly arm) core [21:00] psychicist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium#P5.2C_P54C.2C_P54CS [21:01] psychicist: the upcommong Larrabee is 32/48 of those on a single die [21:02] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:03] so they really mean it when they say x86 everywhere, it's even being used in their network adapters [21:03] masterx831 (n=masterx8@adsl-235-226-214.mco.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:03] yes... and that is actually good for us :P [21:04] because all their silly firmware can be easily disassembled [21:04] they just make a classic state machine [21:05] Nick change: masterx831 -> Masterx831 [21:05] XpliCT (n=zoli@77.29.181.95) joined ##slackware. [21:05] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.119) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:05] I've got a number of cross-compilers in my home, besides actual hardware so it's just a matter of invoking $TARGET-objdump and that should work, shouldn't it? [21:06] ndisasm ftw [21:06] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "leaving" [21:07] bash-3.1# hwclock --systohc --utc and then i put bash-3.1# clock and it says Wed 10 Nov 2004 01:07:17 AM EST -0.000599 seconds [21:07] am i missing anything [21:07] Masterx831: just run: clock -w [21:07] utc = Universal Time Clock [21:07] oh let me check [21:08] thats weird it load a bit and went bash-3.1# [21:12] macavity: those intel firmwares are huge compared to the ralink ones, I wonder why [21:12] ccfreak2k: you have /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 as a symlink to libstdc++.so.5.0.7? Also it might be expecting /usr/lib/libstdc++.so to be a link to .so.5 instead of .so.6? (just guessing) [21:12] psychicist: because they attempt to mimic the enetire 208.11abg stack as a state machine [21:13] little dyslexia action ;) [21:13] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [21:13] psychicist: notice that the corresponding drivers are just hooks that pushes opcodes [21:13] it happens to me too [21:13] ccfreak2k: I suppose you already tried manually extracting the binary(ies) from the installer & run ldd on those? [21:13] Urchlay, yes it's a symlink, and I could only find reference to libstdc++.so.5, so I assume it's looking for that. [21:14] psychicist: whereas the ralink firmwares are just a collection of networking primitives and radio controlls [21:14] It's also not a binary that's looking for it. From what I found, it just runs: libstdc_exist=`/sbin/ldconfig -p | grep libstdc++.so.5` [21:16] It's a mystery... [21:16] you're not on slamd64 are you? There are two libstdc++.so.5's on slamd64 (32- and 64-bit)... [21:16] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:16] Nope, plain Slackware, albeit -current. [21:16] But old current, i.e. the update right before KDE4 was put into main. [21:16] not that it should matter, for that bit of script you just pasted [21:17] ccfreak2k: look if it does something like "if [ $libstdc_exist ]; then .... " [21:17] Masterx831 (n=masterx8@adsl-235-226-214.mco.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:17] There might be more to it. Maybe it's expecting a different result or something. [21:17] http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3448264544.html [21:17] ^^ omg <3 [21:17] actually been thinking of messing with intel CC myself... where do you download this from? [21:17] macavity, that kind of line would evaluate as true if it were non-null right? [21:18] Urchlay, Intel's site. [21:18] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:18] Searching for "Intel C++ Compiler" will get you there. [21:18] is it the one they call "Intel® C++ Compiler Professional Edition for Linux*" then? [21:18] version 11? [21:19] That's the one I have. Not sure if there's other. [21:19] s. [21:19] macavity: which begs the question, which approach is better? [21:19] ccfreak2k: that depends... be sure to check the logic [21:19] there's one called "compiler suite", which I suppose is C, C++, Fortran, and whatever else [21:19] ccfreak2k: or just be bold and set hack it out with "libstdc_exist=1" and see what happens :P [21:20] macavity, seems like it would break because libstdc_exist doesn't have 1 or 0 in it... [21:20] At least when I run the line. [21:20] bleah. They ask for email address, do they actually send you anything useful or can I put bogus info? [21:20] psychicist: if we were making the firmware ourselves, then i would say that the state machine approach is the best, as it offloads the CPU a lot more [21:20] psychicist: hence my new hobby project [21:20] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:20] Urchlay, hold on a sec. [21:21] (I only got one email address anymore, don't want to give it out much...) [21:21] psychicist: i am looking into decompilers too... rec understands linux kernel prototypes, so i should at least be able to figure out how the thing adresses the radio [21:21] Urchlay, they send a license file as an attachment, but you don't need it if you can activate over the Internet. [21:21] psychicist: from what i gather the firmware also contains a "DSP emulator" [21:22] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:22] error_de6eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:22] heh. Apparently someone else already gave them "blah@blah.com" [21:22] macavity: interesting stuff you're doing nowadays in the spirit of free software ;) [21:22] Urchlay, mailinator? [21:23] ccfreak2k: my bad.. yes, it catches the text output (libstdc++.so.5 (libc6) => /usr/i486-slackware-linux/lib/libstdc++.so.5) rather than the return value [21:23] Here we go. [21:23] if [ -z "${libstdc_exist}" ]; then [21:23] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:23] -z returns true if a string is 0 bytes in length... not sure why that would fail [21:23] Looks like it just checks to see if there's a value. [21:23] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [21:24] does it bail out *inside* that if block? [21:25] It doesn't "bail out" at all. It just says "hey, I can't find libstdc++.so.5, so fix it!" [21:25] ... uhm, ldconfig is not in $PATH of regular users [21:25] he did say it runs /sbin/ldconfig [21:25] that he did [21:25] it just came to mind :P [21:26] I'm also running it as root, and I fully intend to keep both pieces if it breaks. [21:26] ccfreak2k: does the "fix it" reside inside the if block from above? [21:26] I can't really find where it decides that it's missing, actually. [21:27] (and yes, dumping you in a shell with a message to fix someting constitutes "bailing out") [21:27] Doesn't dump me. [21:27] stick a bunch of 'echo "got here #1"' lines in there, really crude debugging? [21:27] huh? [21:27] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:27] you run the installer... and what happens when it cant find it? [21:28] dammit son.. just pastebin the script, will ya? [21:28] Says, albeit less tersely, "libstdc++.so.5 is missing, you can check again for it (if you made changes to your system) or quit the installer. [21:28] grep for that message [21:28] the script possibly is huge (does it contain uuencoded binaries?) [21:28] No binaries, at least in the script I saw. [21:29] i give up [21:30] Action: ananke gave up right when this started [21:30] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "-1" [21:31] XpliCT (n=zoli@77.29.181.95) left irc: "Leaving" [21:31] i'll go watch some goat pr0n [21:31] later guys [21:31] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "leaving" [21:32] psychicist (n=psychici@195-241-68-222.ip.telfort.nl) left ##slackware. [21:32] http://pastebin.ca/1364833 [21:35] Action: Urchlay reads script... [21:35] hows everyone doing? [21:36] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [21:36] for compiling a custom kernel do I have to grab the kernel config file from the lastest slackware release? [21:36] $ sh junk.sh [21:36] The package doesn't not support the platform it's being run on. [21:37] that's on Slackware 12.2 [21:37] or can I use the config of my already running kernel? [21:37] ah, it's looking for files inside the archive that don't exist [21:37] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:37] dissociative, doesn't matter. [21:38] Although you'll want to use a config from the same version that you're running. [21:38] Rather, the same as you're compiling. [21:38] dissociative: 'zcat /proc/config.gz > /usr/src/linux/.config', then 'make menuconfig' and customize from there... [21:38] make oldconfig it [21:38] before make menuconfig [21:39] er, there ought to be a 'cd /usr/src/linux' in there somewhere too... [21:40] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-8-226-79.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:40] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:40] ccfreak2k: I can't find your 'libstdc++ does not exist' error message in the paste [21:40] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [21:40] Neither could I. [21:41] I was trying to build a kernel package and a modules package first [21:41] what is "pset" supposed to be? [21:41] It's a directory with some binaries in it I think. [21:42] blah, why would they put in a line like 'trap "" SIGTSTP #disable Ctrl-Z'? [21:42] (not relevant, just one of those things that irritates me when I see it...) [21:43] echo "Error: No write permissions to \"$user_tmp\" temporal folder." [21:43] temporal folder? Like where you keep the TARDIS documentation? [21:43] dissociative, are you actually building a kernel package, or are you just recompiling for your own system> [21:44] hm. source $strings_file [21:44] looks like your actual error messages are localized, so not found in the script itself [21:45] if I install virtualbox-osr do I need virtualbox-kernel? [21:45] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:45] pirving: yes [21:46] I need to update the kernel to the lastest stable [21:46] (er, you mean -ose, right?) [21:46] do I need to install which first [21:46] ???\ [21:46] I was trying to build packages for kernel and modules first [21:46] pirving: doesn't matter which you install first... but both must be installed before you try to run vbox [21:47] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-8-226-79.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:47] do I need the add ons? [21:47] no idea [21:47] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-8-226-79.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:47] This requires acpica [21:47] it says in the readme [21:47] the version I run is old, the addons either didn't exist or didn't have slackbuilds.org packages back then [21:48] (that, or I completely failed to see the addons package... always possible) [21:50] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-8-226-79.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:50] I'll just install it anyway [21:50] cant have too many fucking programs [21:50] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-8-226-79.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:50] I run fluxbox, even though I have a fairly high tech machine, is that wrong? [21:51] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:51] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-8-226-79.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:51] what program is the kde user manager? [21:51] kuser? [21:51] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:51] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [21:51] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-8-226-79.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:52] how do I run kuser as root? [21:52] rtfm google it? [21:52] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-8-226-79.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:52] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-8-226-79.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:52] yep [21:53] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-8-226-79.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:53] well, hell...looks like i gotta reboot [21:53] sudo? [21:53] I hate sudo [21:53] su - program? [21:53] be cool, folks and thanks for the info [21:54] what's so bad about sudo? [21:54] pirving, su -c [21:55] ccfreak2k: I'm gonna say the trouble isn't in this script [21:55] I'm thinking that too, but I dunno what other scripts to check. [21:55] thanks [21:55] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-166-220.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:56] jiffypop (n=ace@mobile-166-217-123-042.mycingular.net) left irc: "I'd trade a month of cigarettes for a couple of lousy beers...or a bottle of real cheap wine -> Alice Cooper said that" [21:57] taquito (i=1000@adsl-75-22-56-2.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:57] taquito (i=1000@adsl-75-22-56-2.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:58] how do I find out what group a user belongs to at the command line? [21:58] I tried finger [21:58] 'id username' or 'groups username' [21:58] JasonosaJ (n=Jasonosa@pool-72-69-197-126.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] deplorable (i=1000@dial-187.r2.ncbrvr.InfoAve.Net) joined ##slackware. [21:59] finger only works if you have a finger daemon running (which you don't, unless you set it up yourself) [21:59] Hello everyone. No serious questions today. Just stopping in. [22:00] hey deplorable [22:00] Hello Urchlay. [22:01] did you ever get... whatever-it-was... working ok? [22:02] alpha213 (n=alpha@cpe-68-203-207-238.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:03] Yeah. Everything is ok. [22:03] I may start working on the laptop tonight. [22:03] I found mincom -s too and managed to give my dial-up a little boost. [22:03] minicom [22:03] eh? what'd you do to give it a boost? [22:04] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:04] Uped the serial port settings. [22:04] Actually getting 50K now instead of 11. [22:05] ah. with minicom, not with stty? [22:05] Yeah. minicom -s from bash [22:05] also there's 'setserial' [22:05] taquito (i=1000@adsl-75-22-56-2.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:05] I read a man page on it but haven't tried setserial [22:05] error_de6eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:06] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:06] minicom can do what you're talking about, but can it do it automagically on every boot, or does it need human intervention? [22:06] I saved the settings. Won't they stick? [22:07] minicom's settings only get applied when minicom runs [22:07] so no... [22:07] What's the standard for connecting if not minicom? [22:08] wait, you're using minicom to actually connect? [22:08] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:08] yes [22:08] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [22:08] I was using kppp before. [22:08] Thought that was kind of silly since I'm not using KDE. [22:08] yeah, it is silly [22:09] Is there a better program to use; something other than minicom? [22:09] back when I used dialup I'd generally write a little ppp-up script that would call pppd with correct parameters (and a chatscript to log in for me)... you might try running "pppsetup" [22:09] ok [22:10] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.57) left irc: "Leaving." [22:11] been a damn long time since I used ppp though, unless you count pppoe (ppp over ethernet, used to use for DSL) [22:11] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.57) joined ##slackware. [22:11] I've never had anything better than dial-up at home. :( [22:11] last time I used a dialup was probably in 2003 or so, at a starbuck's [22:12] Honestly, I've only been into computer for about two years. Got in for a girl. It's always about a girl. lol [22:12] Urchlay, brought your acoustic coupler and used a payphone? [22:12] not sure whether they still have phone lines available at starbucks now though [22:12] ccfreak2k: nah, they actually had two rj11 phone jacks you could just plug in to [22:13] I've...never seen that. [22:13] there were at least 3 starbucks in the atlanta area that did that, a few years back [22:13] this was before wireless was all that common [22:14] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Saindo" [22:14] alpha213 (n=alpha@cpe-68-203-207-238.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:15] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:15] they still had the lines hooked up in 2003, but nobody used them any more (other than me) [22:15] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:16] I'm worried setting up this laptop is going to be a pain. It's not the most powerful system. I think I'll just install the first disc of Slackware 12.2 and add everything else a package at a time to save space on it's 20GB HD. I imagine that could take a whil. [22:16] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [22:16] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] yah, especially if you're new to Linux and don't yet know what you need [22:17] I heard everything absolutely essential was in a specific software set. Everything else is essentially optional? [22:18] deplorable: slackware full install is about 4Gb (IIRC) so not really a big space problem [22:18] JasonosaJ (n=Jasonosa@pool-72-69-197-126.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:18] well, for some definition of optional, yes [22:18] I mean X itself is optional, but most people these days think of a GUI as something they require [22:19] Honestly, I'm not a fan of the Window Managers so far. I've spent most of my time in the shell up to this point. [22:20] X is nice for having 8 or 10 shells going at once [22:20] Blackbox is sort of nice. I just haven't taken the time to fully customize the menus et al. [22:21] also it's sorta required for things like games or watching videos [22:21] (mplayer *can* play video on a raw framebuffer, but performance is pretty awful) [22:21] higuita. That's reasonable. I'm just wondering which method will be faster. Putting on everything and taking things off. Of just putting on what I need. [22:22] No DVD or RW capabilites at all on the laptop. That makes a lot of full install software pretty useless on it. [22:22] menu install... select all packages for basic groups, exclude unwanted groups, hand pick mix groups [22:23] brb [22:23] deplorable: well you might one day plug in an external USB or Firewire DVD burner... but you could wait until then to install the burning software, yeah [22:24] dimmerbold (i=dimbold@masterarms.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] SpacePlod: ping [22:26] mogunus (n=rcarmo@wsip-70-184-14-138.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:26] Hi all. Is there a way to programmatically query SBo for deps? [22:27] Or do I scrape the descriptions? [22:27] use the descriptions. Also you might want to ask these sort of questions on #slackbuilds [22:28] Good call. Thank you. [22:29] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:30] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.180.125) left irc: "leaving" [22:30] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:33] mogunus: if you've already got a binary package, you can use ldd to find out what libraries the binaries in the package use, and figure out which packages provide those libs... but it's kinda cumbersome [22:33] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:33] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:33] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:34] not a 100% solution either... e.g. program X is written in Python, so requires Python to be installed... but being a Python program, ldd won't have anything to say about it [22:34] Urchlay: ugh, that's a bit much. Also, I don't think I'd have binary packages for most stuff. [22:34] Yeah [22:36] anyway sometimes it's not as simple as "X requires Y"... quite a few SBo packages have build options that can affect deps [22:38] anyone tried updating the kernel by installing kernel packages from the slackware current release? [22:38] has* [22:38] dissociative, yep. [22:39] and it works? [22:39] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [22:39] Of course it does. [22:39] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [22:39] ok [22:40] lymeca (n=lymeca@unaffiliated/lymeca) left irc: SendQ exceeded [22:40] for updating the generic kernel do I need to rebuild an initrd only right? [22:40] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.40.123.153) joined ##slackware. [22:42] Uh, if you are currently using a stock kernel package, you just upgradepkg using the new one and run lilo. [22:42] I need to know if some kernel crash that I'm having is due to a kernel bug or due to defective by design hardware [22:44] someone know a aprox date to a next release of slackware? [22:44] i;m waiting for a xf86-video-intel package upgrade :S [22:45] wow qt4 slackbuild takes forever to compile [22:45] Hmm. [22:45] KDE4 failed to build. [22:46] make[2]: *** No rule to make target `khotkeys/app/org.kde.khotkeys.xml', needed by `khotkeys/kcm_hotkeys/khotkeys_interface.cpp'. Stop. [22:46] mth-: I asked this same question the other day and was met with sarcasm like "now, when Pat feels like it" and my favorite "never" [22:46] Nick change: SpanishInquisitr -> NaCl [22:46] :( [22:46] yes [22:46] I'll save you the nonsense [22:46] mth-, probably won't be for a while. [22:46] i experiencing troubles with my i915 chip [22:46] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: "Prison Break :)" [22:47] the only fix is upgrading the intel package [22:47] :( [22:47] If you're in dire need of an update for some package, you might be better off going to -current, although it comes with its own caveats. [22:47] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [22:47] but it's so difficult to do that manually [22:47] That's what's so nice about slackpkg... [22:47] mth-: is it really? can't you just grab the source and run the SlackBuild script? [22:47] -current has the same version that -stable of the intel package [22:48] ah [22:48] I would never run current because I like stability. What slackware is known for [22:48] Urchlay, not so simple [22:48] need updating libdrm [22:48] *Slackware sorry for the disrespect [22:48] mesa [22:48] even upgrading to xorg 7.4 [22:48] mth-, SOL then. [22:48] what slackware [22:48] thats right, a lower case s [22:49] :( [22:49] did anyone know the gnome is pronounced ga-nome [22:49] I thought it was nome [22:49] the a garden nome [22:49] gnome [22:49] I always pronounce the G [22:49] I knew that. [22:49] G-nome? [22:49] also the G in GNU [22:49] ga-nu [22:49] here in Chile is pronounced GE-NOME [22:49] or G-Nu [22:49] guh-new [22:50] like Garry Gnu :) [22:50] Stallman says guh-new, but what does he know right? [22:50] yeah, I've always liked ge-nome [22:50] myself [22:50] as in the human genome project? [22:50] Stallman is a fag [22:50] sorry [22:50] pretty sure he's not gay [22:50] yes the human genome [22:50] gee gnome [22:51] gnome sucks anyway [22:51] lol [22:51] i say guh-nu =) [22:51] well, in my opinion. I've always believed in KISS keep is simple stupid but, in gnome's case it's just too simple [22:51] I'd rather use ratposion to be honest [22:51] :( [22:52] *poison [22:52] someone can help me with the intel driver ? [22:52] eh, there are like 30 dependencies and it takes all day to compile, and that's "simple"? [22:52] Urchlay: the interface I mean [22:52] Do we have to guess what your issue is? [22:52] last I looked at gnome (5+ years ago) it was basically a win95 knockoff, did everything it needed to [22:52] gnatulis blows, thats why pat dropped it [22:53] ccfreak2k, sorry i understand you :( [22:53] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Say good night to the bad guy." [22:53] he said there are better developers that do it like dropline, but he said he didn't like dropline because it updates the X11 server [22:53] i mean, i don't understand you [22:53] mth-: what is the actualy problem? [22:53] er, the actual problem [22:53] what are you trying to do, what results are you getting, and what results did you expect instead? [22:54] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:54] Urchlay, when using the intel or i810 driver in my X the system freezes randomnly [22:54] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:54] X dies totally [22:54] i have a photo of that, let me upload that [22:55] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [22:55] anyone here used zoho? [22:55] eh, I don't really need a photo, I believe you [22:55] www.zoho.com? [22:55] Urchlay, i saw the changelog of the intel driver [22:56] and describes some fixes for i915 issues [22:56] and same for mesa [22:56] sounds worth trying then [22:56] you 100% sure you need xorg 7.4 for the new driver though? [22:57] Action: pirving ponders the linux lin-ucks vs. line-ucks [22:57] well, i'm not a very experienced user, that's why i'm searching for help here [22:57] :( [22:57] pirving: Torvalds used to pronounce it "leenochs" more or less. Now he says linn-ucks [22:57] Urchlay: Good [22:57] ! [22:58] mth-: yeah... do you know what version of the intel driver you need? [22:58] Urchlay, i saw that the latest version of mesa3d requires xorg 7.4 [22:58] I was going to name my kid Linus, but I decided to name him Albert after Albert Hoffman the father of LSD [22:58] yep, in need the 2.6.0 [22:58] the version 2.6.0 of the intel driver [22:58] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [22:59] a friend with the same issue did a full upgrade in his Arch Linux and fixed the problem [23:00] but i don't want to change to another distro [23:00] i only want to use Slackware [23:00] -current doesn't even have Xorg 7.4 IIRC. [23:00] So you're 100% out of luck unless you're feeling adventurous enough to update yourself. [23:01] :( [23:01] and if there is a way to upgrade the intel driver without upgrading to xorg 7.4? [23:02] Same answer. [23:02] :( [23:02] write it down so that you won't forget [23:02] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:02] :( [23:02] currently trying to compile the driver on an otherwise stock slackware 12.2 [23:02] Requested 'libdrm >= 2.4.3' but version of libdrm is 2.3.0 [23:02] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [23:02] thanks Urchlay :D [23:03] so yeah, at least a new libdrm will be needed [23:03] libdrm will require new proto libs [23:03] and then to recompile mesa and x-server for libdrm [23:04] Unexpected company. I'll see eveyone later. Bye. [23:04] deplorable (i=1000@dial-187.r2.ncbrvr.InfoAve.Net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:04] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [23:04] wanna now something funny. When I'm compiling, my youtube videos screw up [23:04] MrAlexandro (n=chatzill@24.238.109.202) joined ##slackware. [23:05] is there a way to put cpu limits or quota's? [23:05] you could try just running "nice make" instead of "make" [23:06] need help with slackware. i have installed sp1 and accidentaly erased the lilo boot loader in the cbr or what it is called. which means windows load directly now. i put in slackware cd, but can not write "lilo" cause it says not found [23:06] :S [23:06] MrAlexandro, chroot to your system partition, then run lilo. [23:06] MrAlexandro: mount your partition to /mnt, chroot /mnt/ /bin/bash; lilo [23:07] Urchlay: Was does nice make do? [23:07] i am the noobest you have met with slackware. i am going to have to ask you how to find the root of the partition. [23:07] fdisk -l should display what's found [23:08] pirving: makes make (or whatever you nice'd) run with lower priority [23:08] hm. Does anyone know anything about this site: http://slackbot.sourceforge.net/ [23:09] good, bad, or unknown? They seem to have a build for xorg 7.4 and the new intel video driver [23:09] so then /mnt dev sda3? if sda3 is the partition? [23:09] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:10] MrAlexandro: yep; mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/; chroot /mnt /bin/bash; lilo [23:11] Urchlay, i'm looking that page [23:12] he never quite explains what "buildtools" means [23:13] ah. Some funky boilerplate that's like a cross between an RPM spec file and a Slackbuild [23:14] you think it would work? [23:14] Slackbuilds with dependencies? [23:14] mth-: if you have a disposable machine (or virtual machine) you can try it on, it's worth looking at... but there's a good chance it'll break everything, so don't install it on your main (or only) system [23:14] mth-, have you tried fiddling with some of i810's options first? [23:14] ccfreak2k, i used the i810 driver [23:14] and same occurs [23:14] mth-: in other words, if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces. [23:14] system randomly freezes [23:15] thrice: did not work. did we run lilo as main bootloader now?= [23:15] i saw in mesa and intel packages changelogs that fixes i915 issues [23:15] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Connection timed out [23:15] MrAlexandro: yep, should have. you can also boot your actual install using the instructions listed upon booting the install C [23:15] Cd* [23:16] mth-, have you tried fiddling with some of i810's options first? [23:16] Urchlay, :( i don't have a other Slackware machine or virtual marchine [23:16] ccfreak2k, i don't understand the question [23:16] well windows loaded directly again [23:16] i will try again [23:17] i just wirte this excact right ? /dev/sda3 /mnt/; chroot /mnt /bin/bash; lilo [23:17] mth-, man i810 [23:17] ok [23:18] MrAlexandro: mount /dev/sda3 /mnt [23:18] and then chroot /mnt /bin/bash [23:18] and then lilo [23:19] the first "mount" is the actual command [23:19] yeah i did them correct [23:19] maybe the message i get say something [23:19] i get 4 warnings [23:20] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-215-236.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:20] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:20] which ? one about /proc perhaps ? [23:21] proc partitions yes [23:21] how did you know? [23:21] that should be ok :) [23:21] fatal: 2 of them as well [23:21] that's not so good. [23:21] fatal open /dev/sda2: no such device or adress [23:22] do you have a separate /boot partition ? [23:22] ccfreak2k, i don't know that is the option that is making my system freezes [23:22] and they are correct, when i fdisk -l i only get 1 3 4 & 5 [23:22] Action: pirving is listening to Frank Zappa - Weasels Ripped My Flesh - Did ya get any on ya? [23:22] MrAlexandro: ok, is your /boot separate ? [23:23] where to i find my /boot [23:23] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-159-38.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [23:23] lin7 (n=lin@221.125.232.134) joined ##slackware. [23:23] do you know how the disk is partitioned ? it's almost impossible to fix without that information [23:23] there's a security update for seamonkey [23:24] yeah, i kind of do. i have 1 windows partion, one osx partition and two linux partitions. one is just a swap [23:24] oh m an this is making me so mad [23:24] dartmouth: What?? [23:25] pirving: looking for gconf-sharp source but it doesn't seem to exist except as a required dependency for only one application [23:26] thrice is that to weak? [23:26] Action: pirving is mad because qmake is taking forever to compile [23:26] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:26] Action: pirving just want virtualbox to run [23:27] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.7.234) left irc: "Leaving" [23:28] thrice`: just pls tell me how to start the desktop then. forgot. it is not startx... [23:31] people actually use seamonkey? [23:31] omfg [23:31] why not? [23:31] Is it still being developed? [23:31] yes [23:32] oh [23:32] why cant anyone just tell me how to start the desktop environment in slackware. i realy would apreciate some help [23:32] startx [23:32] xdm [23:32] kdm [23:32] init 4 [23:32] lol [23:32] thanks. [23:33] any one of those [23:33] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: "Leaving" [23:33] i was talked into trying slackware. i just can not handle its advanced and probably neat features [23:33] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:33] well it's really stable and simple tread the www.slackbook.org [23:33] stick with it man [23:34] was that for me? [23:34] pirving: you beat me too it. [23:34] if it is too hard try one of the knock offs like zenwalk I think is slackware based arch is too I think [23:35] arch is not [23:35] ooops sorry [23:35] slax is good too [23:35] for newbies [23:35] more of a live distribution tho [23:35] mogunus (n=rcarmo@wsip-70-184-14-138.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving." [23:35] true, but there is the HD install [23:36] i guess i have too. cause ubuntu was just all fun. and new and i felt like i could do something extra. but this has just crushed me inspiration so far. the guy who said change to slackware said i could ask for help, but he is never able to help [23:36] I believe [23:36] any thoughts gentelmen of a ubuntu like slackware distro? [23:36] MrAlexandro: Ever try google with your questions? [23:36] wtf [23:36] pirving: ya it does im saying the basic design premise is feels more "temp" in IMO [23:37] MrAlexandro: I just recommand staying with basic slack...it's one of or is the oldest distro [23:37] it's easy to install programs with slackbuild.org [23:37] this is so not cool. [23:37] or try slackfind.net [23:37] *-sharp == sucks. [23:38] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [23:38] Distro timeline- http://futurist.se/gldt/gldt93.png [23:38] pirving: yeah, you can even automate the slackbuilds.org process lol the download and everything. [23:38] yeah i have, but guess i it was harder to find ansers for my questiions when i do not know how to formulate them:D [23:38] and if your really ballsy and you like apt-get try slapt-get and kpackage [23:38] it's JUST LIKE UBUNTU YAY! [23:38] ok, nobody actually do that. [23:38] but now i found a slackware channel. that is something diffrent. i can ask in here if i can not find on google right? [23:39] lol slapt-get seems to go against the slack philosophy IMO [23:39] MrAlexandro: Plus, Slackware comes with all the codecs for media in xine and it's packed with great apps like k3b [23:39] taquito: it does. [23:39] hmm. sounds good:D [23:39] MrAlexandro: I find nullboy is very informed and so is acidchild and you'll get to know all the pro's I'm just an intermediate user [23:40] slackfind.net posts packages from slacky.eu and linuxpackages.net which are sites you don't want to be downloading packages from. [23:40] my environment is black in slackware when i run startx now [23:40] hmm [23:41] Slackware is oldest except for TAMU and another one [23:41] debian was close [23:41] so wasn't redhat [23:41] should i also mount the swap? [23:41] before running lilo [23:41] agentc0re: curious, why not? [23:41] slackfind.net and linuxpackages.net blow [23:42] MrAlexandrao X --configure [23:42] or XF96Config [23:42] XF86config [23:42] I can't remember [23:42] Cotowar (n=mike@adsl-235-74-165.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:42] taquito: Because 90% of the time you can find it on slackbuilds.org and it's much safe in the regard to build it yourself. [23:42] Cotowar (n=mike@adsl-235-74-165.clt.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:43] I don't need to config X because it starts automagicly after install reboot [23:43] ok i will try it now [23:43] agentc0re: true, true but for a new slack user the precompiled *.tgz is a lot easier i think [23:43] MrAlexandro: xorgsetup is what you want. [23:44] xorgsetup THank you [23:44] sorry for the bad info MrAlex [23:44] taquito: That doesn't make it safe and a good recommendation. [23:44] no problem. all info is guidance for me:D [23:44] pirving: You even gave him the link to slackbook which has that info in there :P [23:44] can not find corgsetup. i logged as root [23:45] from cd [23:45] cause lilo bootloader is not working [23:45] Cotowar (n=mike@adsl-235-74-165.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:45] hey [23:45] agentc0re: i guess youre right [23:45] MrAlexandro: Are you familiar with RTFM? [23:45] xterm with truetype fonts pwns [23:45] lol [23:45] quick question, how much RAM does 12.2 support, and how many proc cores can it handle? [23:45] you mean read the f...ng manual [23:45] MrAlexandro: What do you mean your bootloader isn't working? Please explain your problem, your install and what you are trying to do. [23:46] taquito: having sex with a crack whore is probably a lot cheaper as well. Equally that does not mean its a good idea and the consequences might be really bad. [23:46] BP{k}: go big or go home...lol [23:46] gotta live life on the edge, take risks you know? [23:47] but for real though, is google telling the truth that slackware 12.2 only supports 2GB of RAM? [23:47] yeah but those living near the edge occasionally fall off. much like body parts after doing a a crackw... ;) [23:47] Cotowar (n=mike@adsl-235-74-165.clt.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:47] lol [23:48] cHiOs (n=chio@adsl-75-50-251-55.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:48] lin7 (n=lin@221.125.232.134) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:48] can you swear on this channel G*D D*mn it? [23:48] Cotowar (n=mike@adsl-235-74-165.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:48] is it in the rules a [23:48] ? [23:48] are there kids here? [23:49] looks like the new kernel fixed my crashes [23:49] until now [23:50] ok. i have had a succesfull tripple boot. with linux windows & osx86 on my 32bit computer. windows partition is sda1, linux partition is sda3, osx86 partition is sda4, linux swap partition is sda5, thre is no sda2. i lost my lilo bootloader installing sp1. because i got bluescreens(Bomb), so i just thought removing lilo form the cbr or mbr or what that primary bootloader is called. it did... [23:50] ...not fix the windows problem, but made the windows bootloader become primary. that was when i clicked fix on the windows cd. now i want to get back my lilo bootloader, so i can start using all my os [23:50] from [23:51] Hmmm, boot from the cd I thnk, unless you have a bootdisk right guys? [23:51] i am on the cd now. .. i have loged in as root [23:51] should i mount all the disks perhaps? [23:52] disks = partitions [23:52] uh, I think you'll only need the linux partition [23:52] MrAlexandro: you will just need to rerun lilo. [23:52] yes, but as the main loader of the whole thing [23:53] how does your lilo.conf look? [23:53] not just the linux partition it self [23:53] that doesn't make sense. it is the main boot loader. [23:53] if you decide to use it. [23:53] i want to use it [23:53] pastebin your lilo.conf [23:53] do you know how to do that? [23:54] yeah. but then i need to access the lilo in desktop configuration. [23:54] lilo conf i mean [23:54] ??? [23:55] so you already had it booting successfully with lilo until you upgraded xp to sp2? [23:55] now i am on my desktop. the slackware is on my laptop. that is where the lilo.conf is.. to paste it i need to access it [23:55] when I installed my system, slackware automagicly configured my lilo.conf to boot windows and linux [23:55] no, vista sp1.. but yes it was success fully [23:55] it defaulted to windows which irks me, so sometime I have to change it [23:56] ok, nevermind your lilo.conf [23:56] had to change in lilo.conf. to get in the osx86 partition. but had help doing that [23:56] you should have WIndows, OSX and LInux entries in it [23:56] how much RAM does slackware 12.2 support? [23:56] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:56] i cant find a consistent answer [23:56] is it only 4GB? [23:56] i have all those entries in it [23:56] then you should run lilo [23:57] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:57] and it should copy to your MBR. I dont' know if lilo will run right off the install cd [23:57] i tried, using previous metod described [23:57] you need to put your slackware cd in and boot from there. tell it to boot from your /dev/sd(whatever your linux partition is). then rerun lilo. [23:57] ok so let me access the slackware partition. then open the startx from that partition [23:58] i need help booting from slackware partition )sda3) [23:58] ok do what agentc0re says [23:58] yes, thanks:D [23:58] type in at the boot: prompt [23:59] what would the command be? [23:59] /dev/sda3 ? [23:59] no [23:59] Linux root=/dev/sda3 ro [23:59] possibly [00:00] --- Thu Mar 19 2009