[00:00] Action: dios_mio notes that he is not comparing any distros, but only defending himself [00:00] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [00:00] i had some tea called "african nectar" [00:00] anyways i've said my piece, i just think distro flames are lame. the occasional joke about ubuntu, who doesn't lie those. but 24/7? eek [00:00] Action: raela notes that dios_mio is the one who won't drop it :) [00:00] I'm not a big tea person, honestly [00:00] I'm not "allowed" to have coffee any more. [00:00] "allowed" [00:00] a good chai every now and then.. but it's probably removed from what chai should be :P [00:01] aww, why not [00:01] Doctor and wife. [00:01] the wife? [00:01] oh [00:01] what medical condition makes coffee bad? [00:01] Blood pressure? [00:01] raela, i am being slandered here.. he thinks i propagated ubuntu in here for 2 months straight.. which is a lie, because i come here like once a week.. just because he saw me twice he cannot slander me like that [00:01] TehRabbitt (~Rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:01] cause i don't think life can be the same w/o coffee [00:01] mancha: Trying to have kids, for one. I've had to cut out caffeine almost completely. [00:01] heh, really? that's a shame [00:02] woah, caffeine scews with the swimmers? [00:02] didn't realize it'd cause problems with that [00:02] screws* [00:02] mancha: Yep [00:02] i didn't know that either. you'd figure it would give them a wake-up jolt :) [00:02] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:02] haha.. super swimmers [00:02] make em swim the 50 meter freestyle quicker, knowdamean? [00:03] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:03] It's not good for women either, and caffeine in my blood stream can come out in sweat and other ways and get into her blood stream. [00:03] maybe they get too jazzed up and swim in endless circles [00:03] i was using slackware in 1997, with version 3.3.... and i wont accept you treating me like a "noob" or a "troll" only because i am not a slackware fundamentalist zombie like you... you can fuck off. thanks [00:03] High blood pressue is also an issue [00:03] FriedBob: wow, really? didn't know with women, either.. huh [00:03] dios_mio: If you don't want to be treated like a troll, don't act like one. [00:03] dios_mio: and look who is still going on.. [00:03] ok man you can all fuck off [00:03] we're all talking about caffeine now, geez.. get with the program [00:03] stop calling us slackware fundamentalists [00:03] dios_mio (dios@88.242.164.203) left irc: Quit: We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. [00:04] there we go [00:04] the seeping of caffeine out your pores and into her's is a real stretch....i think she's using this as a clever way to ween you off the juice [00:04] \o/ [00:04] that dude could use some tea [00:04] mancha: Her doctor said so. And caffeine can be absorbed through skin easily. [00:04] o/ fire|bird [00:04] heya MLanden, how's it going? [00:04] f'bob, i dunno, sounds all too far fetched to me [00:04] I used to consume MASSIVE amounts of it. [00:04] wawowe (wawowe@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ywohfiimuzxtzgjy) joined ##slackware. [00:04] good thanks,fire|bird...you? [00:05] MLanden, doing great, thank you. [00:05] most (i mean high 90s) gets metabilized and shipped out in urine [00:05] just don't pee on her [00:05] FriedBob: hrm.. maybe I could skip drinking the black coffee in the morning.. bathe in it :P [00:05] raela: ShowerShock soap/body wash from thinkgeek [00:06] FriedBob: bah, I need my froo froo smelly stuff [00:06] guys, was i off target there? i could swear that dios_mio person is always ranting about distro this vs distro that... [00:06] mancha: nope, that's how he is.. he just gets defensive [00:06] mancha: based on the few times I have seen him, I would agree. [00:07] mancha: that or he tries to start shit with straterra [00:07] heh, that's not hard to do though :) [00:07] Which is what he did first tonight [00:07] Action: Motoko-chan likes Nivea for soap [00:07] fire|bird, with mpd,have you seen any interfaces with libvisual(using the plugins) ? [00:07] mancha: Yeah, but he is not good at that, either. [00:07] *nod* [00:07] yeah.. he kinda fails all around.. poor kid *shrugs* [00:07] i am amazed at this coffee-fertility link. [00:07] MLanden, Hmm, not that I've seen, but all I've really used is ario, so far. [00:08] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.34.212) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [00:08] I gotta get my weight and blood pressure down too, as those also have a negative impact. [00:08] TehRabbitt (~Rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:08] eddief (~eddief@cpe-67-247-24-129.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:08] Action: FriedBob is 5'10" and ~270lb. [00:09] i'd secretly drink the juice anyways Bob. you know trying and missing is most of the fun anyways. if you hit the jackpot it's several months of Rosey. so, is that a real win? [00:09] fire|bird, came across a standalone program to use with libvisual and have been scourin' to see which plugins still work...lemuria as well as projectM works nicely [00:09] mancha: Yeah, but when you have been trying for close to a year... [00:10] mancha: sadly.. I think trying to use coffee as anti-fertility would only end in tears :P [00:10] "You're pregnant deal girl" "But HOW doctor, i've been ordering tall latte's daily and so has my BF" [00:11] s/deal/dear (geez spelling horrors today) [00:11] It sucks how when people don't want kids, they get knocked up easily, but when you want it, it becomes so difficult. [00:12] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:12] it's actually hard to conceive... [00:12] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:12] mancha: some people must be very unlucky.. [00:12] yes, some are. [00:12] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:12] it's it something like 50% of pregnancies abort early on? [00:13] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:13] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:13] there's the fact that you have a small window in the month, firstly, then most miscarry w/o the woman even knowing. [00:13] mancha knows everything [00:14] and yet, someone vasectomy-condom-pill babies exist.. [00:14] jrt05 (~jason@c-98-196-24-103.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:14] yep. it defies the odds, definitely. [00:15] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [00:17] can someone give me some pointers on wicd? [00:17] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:17] TehRabbitt: what do you need pointers on ? [00:17] Action: NaCl grumbles [00:18] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:18] why are you grumbling, NaCl ? [00:18] TehRabbitt: wicd doesn't disconnect unless it thinks your connection has gone down to zero strength, or it gets confused by a broadcom card [00:18] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:18] fhobia, 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. Atheros AR5001X+ Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) [00:19] Then IDK [00:20] :-\ [00:20] It's a Cisco AIRONET a/b/g AIR-CB21AG-A-K9 card [00:21] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.34.212) joined ##slackware. [00:22] oh, ok [00:22] it doesnt' even disconnect, it stays "connected" but it loses connectivity intermidently [00:23] ok, well, i hope the driver for that improves [00:23] i have an atheros too, and i don't have any troubles with wicd from /extra so [00:23] hm :-\ [00:23] so it's a driver issue? [00:24] that would be my guess just because it works fine for me :) [00:25] hm [00:26] this is my wired card even though I dont think it matters much to this issue: 02:0e.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5705M Gigabit Ethernet (rev 01) [00:27] wired huh? well, if you want to see if its wicd's fault, you would kill wicd and just use rc.inet1 scripts and see if it drops off [00:27] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:27] if it doesn't drop off then its something about wicd maybe bug or just its behavior due to what it sees [00:27] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) joined ##slackware. [00:27] if it continues to drop off ,then its probably something else common to both wicd and inet1 scripts [00:28] hm true... aka the driver? [00:28] yeah or maybe some setting you have to enable, some physical factor in your environment, etc [00:28] hm, well i'm using WPA - TKIP [00:29] well, thats for wireless right? it doesn't affect wired? [00:29] doesn't affect wired at al [00:29] all [00:29] yeah [00:29] jrt05 (~jason@c-98-196-24-103.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:29] hm would it show anything in logs? [00:29] i could search through splunk for it / see if it logged anything... now tha ti think about it heh [00:30] i'm not sure [00:30] i'm goign to search for "wicd" and see if anything comes up [00:30] all right [00:31] 220 entries for wicd-3 [00:31] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:33] hm... [00:33] fhobia, 02:0e.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5705M Gigabit Ethernet (rev 01) [00:33] grr hold on wrong paste [00:33] 2010/05/18 04:04:22 :: dhcpcd: eth0: leased 192.168.1.101 for 86400 seconds [00:33] host=Bastet Options| sourcetype=wicd-3 Options| source=/var/log/wicd/wicd.log Options [00:33] eww broadcoam [00:33] haha [00:33] lol [00:33] well it keeps grabbing leases apparently [00:33] like every 2 minutes [00:33] hmm [00:34] hold on i'm going to pastebin my log info [00:34] is that a setting on the router? it would be strange to have set it to 2 minutes though [00:34] it's a dhcp setting - how long each lease is valid [00:34] http://pastebin.com/SG9H368G [00:35] for hot spots - 2 minutes seems a little extreme, but a possibilityh [00:35] alisonken1noc, well it's saying it's valid for a pretty long time, no? [00:35] wicd-3 huh? i guess we don't have the same version, i have like 1.7 or something... lol [00:35] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:35] fhobia, my router is set up to give out leases every 24 hours [00:35] fhobia, perhaps that's why your's works lol [00:36] maybe [00:36] hehe i'm going to look at my wicd log [00:36] since wicd isn't at version 3 yet last I checked :) [00:36] fhobia, it seems almost like it's trying to grab a new IP every few minutes :-\ [00:36] need to see what info the wicd logs setup [00:37] alisonken1noc, yea idk how I ended up with 3.... [00:37] jrt05 (~jason@c-98-196-24-103.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:37] TehRabbitt, do you have a wired interface plugged in at the same time as trying the wireless interface? [00:38] also - what is the signal strength? [00:38] alisonken1noc, nope it's not plugged into wired at the same time, and signal strength is anywhere between 67-85% [00:39] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:39] does it show connecting to the ap that you _want_ to connect to? or is it connecting to an open ap? [00:39] it's connecting to my ap, grabs the IP, then yea :-\ [00:40] it works the first page or two, then it just hangs [00:40] kicks me off IRC, everything, then reconnects [00:40] Cann0n (~jack@dialup-4.91.96.53.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [00:40] works for another few minutes, lets 1-2 pages load at 56K speeds [00:41] based on these logs - it looks like your signal is either too strong or you're getting interfered with [00:41] the lines with "waiting for carrier" indicate a signal loss [00:41] and the only times that happens is with a marginal signal, interference, or too strong a signal [00:42] slackuser18 (~3ea95c6d@gateway/web/freenode/x-ryrfykfmqmazoajt) joined ##slackware. [00:42] or your broadcomm driver is having issues :) [00:43] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:44] hm... [00:44] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:44] but it's an atheros card lol [00:44] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-186.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:45] sorry - saw someone mention broadcomm in there somewhere [00:45] if you can, try reducing power out on your laptop [00:46] how would I do that? [00:46] Hi everyone, I'm still a "noob" and my question might seem silly ahem... well can slackware actually be compiled for my playstation portable system version 2000?...sorry if this is too silly... [00:46] interesting. when did atheros change their i/f to ethX [00:47] they changed it to wlan# [00:47] slackuser18, as long as you have the cross-compile setup correct, you should be able to. but it depends on whether your playstation has the updates [00:47] yea :-\ [00:47] since the athk modules [00:47] andarius, it' s been wlan# for as long as I can remember, but TehRabbitt pastebin is showing eth0 [00:47] alisonken1noc: it used to be ath# [00:47] i may have be hallucinating but i thought he said he was on wired [00:47] prior to athk modules [00:48] well...my psp system have already the custom firmware...so now it should be able to read "hacked" binaries...that's why i'm wondering [00:48] i'm on wired *now* but i was on wireless [00:48] andarius, wlanX is the card control interface, athX was the actual network interface - thanks for reminding me [00:48] oh [00:48] lol [00:48] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [00:48] there was no wlan in the mad-wifi modules [00:48] even for controls if I recall [00:49] hmm - I seem to recall using them about 3 years ago and saw both wlan and ath when I was building a router [00:49] Action: andarius missed it all, what is the issue? [00:49] TehRabbitt, having intermittent connectivity issues [00:49] my systems all have used atheros for as long as I have had wifi. no wlan until athk for me [00:49] what kernel? [00:49] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:50] as the athk module has had some hickups in some versions [00:50] specialy the 9k module [00:50] andarius, using -current, wicd Cisco AIR-Cb21AG-A-K9 [00:50] edthix1 (~ed@175.144.229.97) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:50] slackuser18, http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/PSP know that debian and though not linux netbsd have mips builds [00:50] madwifi driver from 3 years ago [00:50] the cisco part number is a bit useless. the output from lspci or similar is much more useful [00:51] pre-athXk driver [00:51] you have confirmed it as atheros ? [00:51] that's what it shows up as in lspci [00:51] ok [00:51] lsmod show it using ath-5k or the ath-9k module ? [00:51] andarius, had to use madwifi since the kernel driver didn't do bridge mode [00:51] 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. Atheros AR5001X+ Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) [00:51] thanks a lot sir MLanden, will be "investigating" till get the wield [00:52] TehRabbitt: reacking, and the module loaded for it ? [00:52] slackuser18, np...g'luck [00:52] alisonken1noc: I hear the new ath-?k modules do it [00:52] andarius, what do you mean? [00:52] s/reacking/tracking/ sorry [00:52] andarius, would have been nice 3 years ago in my previous job :) [00:52] ah... ummm lemme check what modules are loaded [00:53] I mean run "lsmod" to ind out which module has been loaded [00:53] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:53] alisonken1noc: have to love it how things hit the point you need after you no longer need it :) [00:53] :) [00:53] loll yea i know lol [00:53] thanks, i think I'll need it, 'n' sir ur just made a great action today, gods will remember that [00:53] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-186.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:54] hmm, nice, I hosed the names. there is no "-" in them :( [00:54] ath[59]k as I remember [00:54] yup [00:55] no idea why I wanted to add the - [00:55] people with the same laptop of mine said to avoid the .32 kernel for ath9k [00:55] ath5k is loaded [00:55] good thing pat stuck a .33 kernel in there :) [00:55] no 9k ? [00:55] no [00:55] ok [00:55] when it disconnects, do you get an error ? [00:55] yeah, i was like ::fhew:: :) [00:56] not that i'm aware of... hold on lemme try searching for errors regarding wlan0 [00:56] now if he included .34 i'd also have a better working touchpad XD [00:56] .32 keeps getting releases i bet big things like ath9k commits are mainlined to that tree [00:56] fhobia: upgrade then [00:56] is rather simple [00:56] gernd (~gernd@g230077133.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [00:56] upgrade what? [00:56] well, 13.0 to -current isn't as simple as that [00:56] TehRabbitt: not you :P [00:56] aigh thaha [00:56] vasuvi (~vasuvi@pool-71-112-197-172.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:57] andarius: roger XD [00:58] TehRabbitt: as root "grep wlan /var/log/messages" [00:58] should get it narrowed down [00:58] How can one use dhclient instead of dhcpcd in Slackware? (Assuming both are installed; or does deinstallation of dhcpcd make the init scripts automatically fall back to dhclient?) [00:58] alisonken1noc: I was refering to a kernel upgrade. I dont advise -current without knowing a persons skill set ;) [00:58] i'm on current! i'm awesome! [00:59] Zordrak (~jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:59] Zordrak (~jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:59] http://pastebin.com/pQ5wNBrs [00:59] you don't want to, dhclient sucks. but look in rc.inet1 [00:59] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:00] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [01:00] any ideas on that pastebin? lol [01:01] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [01:01] TehRabbitt: stand by [01:01] deauthenticating from 00:1e:e5:5f:a1:5e by local choice (reason=3) <-- looks interesting :) [01:02] yea i'd love to know what reason=3 is... I mean i did hit "disconnect" and "reconnect" a couple times to try to get it working but i doubt that's reason=3 [01:04] and kobe bryant has left the building [01:04] i'm confused [01:05] are you not using wep or wpa ? [01:05] andarius, that only works if you use the kernel from testing/ upgrading the kernel in 13.0 to the kernel in -current may cause subtle issues due to the lib changes [01:05] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:06] alisonken1noc: I never use pre-builts. I was refering to upgrading manualy to the current kernel :P [01:06] from kernel.org [01:06] TehRabbitt, in a console as root, try "ifconfig wlan0 up; wlanconfig wlan0 txpower 6" and see what happens [01:06] andarius, that would be compiling rather than upgrading :) [01:07] no, the compiling would have to take place as part of the upgrade [01:07] not as the whole process itself [01:07] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:07] andarius, take a look at this: [01:07] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1123627 [01:08] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:08] reading something similar now [01:08] looks like it's a documented bug of sorts [01:09] some report using wicd seems to work around it somehow [01:09] mancha: what setting? I don't see anything that looks like it references either dhcpcd or dhclient there. [01:09] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:09] yet i'm using wicd and it doesnt :-\ [01:09] TehRabbitt: and no wep or wpa ? [01:09] WPA [01:09] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wicd/+bug/361461 [01:12] phreak (~phreak@pool-71-249-11-212.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:12] what's line 130 for you (vesuvi)? [01:12] doesn't exist [01:12] ? [01:13] TehRabbitt: I am assuming that the wifi has worked well before and/or other machines work fine with the AP ? [01:13] other machines work great with the AP... wifi never worked with this laptop [01:13] vasuvi, please paste the command you are using to open the file. [01:13] vi /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [01:13] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:14] aha, now look at what i suggested you look at versus what you're really looking at. [01:14] TehRabbitt, I missed something - are you using wep or wpa? [01:14] wpa [01:14] wpa tkip or wpa rsa [01:14] wpa2 rsa rather [01:15] mancha: oops; my mind must have read the '.conf' afterwards when it wasn't there [01:15] ViN86 (~ViN86@SYDNEYPACIFIC-SEVEN-THIRTY-EIGHT.MIT.EDU) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:16] vasuvi, you should be ok now... [01:16] mancha: so the only way to do it is to manually edit the init script then, rather than just set a simple setting like Gentoo? [01:17] vasuvi, last I checked, the changelog showed why the switch from dhclient to dhcpd - might want to go back and review the changelog when it was switched [01:17] pat's scripts (those rc things) are hardwired to use dhcpcd...i use my own and so changin it would be simple but still requires editing. [01:17] alisonken1noc, sorry back, i'm using wpa tkip [01:17] vasuvi, but yes, it requires changing the name of the executable in that bash script and making sure parameter flags make sesne... [01:18] vasuvi, IIRC, dhclient is deprecated in favor of dhcpcd at the dev site, so pat is following upstream [01:18] alisonken1noc: OK, I'll check the changelog tomorrow then. I just find that dhclient works better with my router (plus is much faster to daemonize), so I prefer to use it when I can, but I'll see if Pat's reasons make a difference for me. [01:19] you really should reconsider though, dhclient doesn't work as well as dhcpcd [01:19] TehRabbitt: you mentioned you have wicd installed. is it controlling the interface now or are the slackware config files? [01:20] by the by, any serious mysql users here? [01:20] depends on 'serious' :) [01:20] do you follow the server devel process at all? [01:21] alisonken1noc: Really? Considering the ISC themselves (who make the primary DHCP server) make dhclient, and dhcpcd is basically only used by default in Gentoo and Slackware (and derivatives), I'd be very surprised about that. [01:21] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [01:21] TehRabbitt: attempt to test disabling power saving with "iwconfig wlan0 power off" and see if that helps [01:21] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:21] aight hold on [01:21] slackuser18 (~3ea95c6d@gateway/web/freenode/x-ryrfykfmqmazoajt) left irc: Quit: Page closed [01:22] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:22] Error for wireless request "Set Power Management" (8B2C) : [01:22] SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported. [01:23] hmm, nice [01:23] ok - my mistake, change wlanX to whatever the interface should be [01:24] reason 3 = WLAN_REASON_DEAUTH_LEAVING [01:24] wlan0 is the wlan lol [01:26] so what does "WLAN_REASON_DEAUTH_LEAVING" mean? [01:26] no idea sadly [01:26] aside from it is deciding it needs to leave [01:27] heh [01:27] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-186.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: arr! [01:27] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-186.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:28] TehRabbitt, it's letting you know that you're no longer connected - have to look up the reason code [01:28] that is the reason code [01:28] http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.32.y.git;a=blob;f=include/linux/ieee80211.h <-- [01:28] under reason codes :) [01:30] andarius, apparently it's a bug in debian too :-\ [01:31] something either in the kernel or a driver is setting 'wlan0' to down [01:35] vasuvi (~vasuvi@pool-71-112-197-172.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:37] TehRabbitt (~Rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:39] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:40] blaines (~blaines@ip68-106-24-21.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:41] TehRabbitt-2: I am somewhat inclined to say it may be kernel side. eitherthe mac80211 stuff or the ath5k module itself as you noted. [01:41] my mind is shot this late, what vesion of slackware are you running and what kernel ? [01:41] I'm inclined to think mac80211 stuff from previous experience [01:42] but it's been a few years and the laptop I have is using a madwifi chipset pcmcia card and 13.0 [01:42] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:42] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:47] TehRabbitt (~Rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:48] TehRabbitt-2: I am somewhat inclined to say it may be kernel side. eitherthe mac80211 stuff or the ath5k module itself as you noted. [01:48] my mind is shot this late, what vesion of slackware are you running and what kernel ? [01:48] hm :-\ [01:48] running -current [01:48] kernel 2.6 x86 [01:48] uname -a please [01:48] aight [01:49] or -r [01:49] Linux Bastet 2.6.33.4-smp #2 SMP Wed May 12 22:47:36 CDT 2010 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1300MHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [01:49] preferably a [01:50] lol [01:50] Linux Bastet 2.6.33.4-smp #2 SMP Wed May 12 22:47:36 CDT 2010 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1300MHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [01:50] lol [01:50] is that a huge or generic kernel? I honestly have no idea myself :( [01:50] LOL! You will be EXTERMINATED! LOL! The DALEKS laugh at you! LOLOLOL! [01:51] *ahem* [01:51] sorry [01:51] hahahahahaha [01:51] probably huge :) [01:51] if so any chance you can try it with a generic kernel ? [01:52] TehRabbitt, if you want to try the generic kernel - make sure you know how to make an initrd first [01:52] and tell lilo about the initrd as well [01:52] alisonken1noc, yea i'm not sure how to do that :-\ last time I touched a kernel was gentoo :-\ lol [01:53] TehRabbitt, initrd is not kernel stuff - it's the initial ramdisk that the generic needs that includes the modules for your setup to access the hard drives [01:53] Ah... :-\ [01:53] you create it using /boot/README.initrd [01:54] https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14267 <-- looks like it is related [01:54] still open but they are making progress [01:54] so you think it's the kernel? [01:54] actually, it's created with mkinitrd, but the README.initrd is good reading anyway [01:54] and someone here has a post on "Why initrd is evil and will fry your brain" or something like that [01:54] TehRabbitt-2: mac80211 and the ath5k module are kernel side, so most likely yes it is kernel related [01:55] there is nothing wong with an initrd :P [01:55] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) joined ##slackware. [01:55] andarius, I know that, you know that, but I forgot who has an online rant about initrd's :) [01:56] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:56] I believe his main point was 'recompile a custom kernel for your system' [01:56] and forgets that not everyone using slackware is an admin [01:56] TehRabbitt-2: for the sake of a few giggles, try to disable the power wsave feature using iw :: "iw wlan0 power off" [01:57] for most there is no reason to compile a custom if they use a generic as is recommended. for me, I just like my own more :) [01:57] wait wait what power wsave feature [01:57] how do i disable it heh [01:57] "iw wlan0 power off" [01:58] lemme try [01:58] the other time we tried it the command was iwconfig [01:58] those are moving towards iw as I understand it [01:58] though it may just puke the same result [01:58] bad command [01:58] Action: mancha downloads xz-4.999.9beta.tar.xz and the universe implodes due to a Newtonian recursion explosion [01:58] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:58] bummer [01:58] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:59] bad command as in not installed or it failed ? [01:59] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:59] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:59] its installed, didnt' fail, just bad command in the sense it showed me valid commands [02:00] you know, "-a ,-t, -f" and examples [02:00] etc [02:00] ahh, tracking [02:00] iw's not on slack default [02:00] huh? [02:01] yes, it is [02:01] oh, it's not on mine. excuse. [02:01] i guess it is on 13 by default [02:01] well i'm running -current [02:02] TehRabbitt-2: at this point I am at a loss. I think this is what you are dealing with, maybe.. https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14267 [02:02] mancha: my server is 13.0 and has it [02:02] blaines (~blaines@ip68-106-24-21.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:03] Axius (~fd@92.82.83.251) joined ##slackware. [02:03] ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/slackware/n/iw-0.9.14-i486-1.txz [02:03] 13.0 ^^ ;) [02:03] Hm, so what do I do lol [02:04] TehRabbitt-2: honestly I would start with trying a generic kernel. If that fails try the latest from kernel.org if you know how [02:04] another options is try backing the module up. remove/disable ath5k and try madwifi [02:05] jhw (~jhw@p57982A60.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:05] sorry, other than that I am out of ideas. perhaps hit up the group here in the morning/daytime [02:05] hm... to install the latest kernel from kernel.org, just download source / manually compile? [02:05] like in gentoo for instance? [02:06] pretty much the normal basic proceedure, yes [02:06] so whats the talk about hte whole initrd thing [02:06] I would however HIGHLY recommend you add it to lilo rather than replace the original kernel [02:06] hm true... heh [02:06] to use a generic kernel you must make an initrd to support your FS [02:06] oh... [02:07] well i'm using EXT4, EXT3, and JFS [02:07] if he's having to compile a kernel anyway, why not have him build all those filesystems in + sata/ide/whatever, and do away with the initrd? [02:08] nothing more annoying than a "custom" kernel that still needs a jumpstart from an initrd [02:08] hm...... [02:08] how would i add that to lilo though a custom kernel? [02:09] I would recommend a generic first [02:09] eh, if you're not comfortable building kernels, go with the generic + initrd [02:09] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:09] I thought you said "like in gentoo", meaning you already knew [02:09] Urchlay, I've built quite a few for gentoo before in the past, i've just never used LILO, i've always used GRUB [02:10] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:10] ok, lilo's less fancy, but basically similar. Look at the exiting /etc/lilo.conf, each kernel is defined by 'image=' and lines following [02:10] I mean I can make the kernel and copy to /boot [02:10] ah... [02:10] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:10] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [02:11] so just edit /etc/lilo.conf and specify the location to the image? [02:11] yeah, and anything else you need (vga= or whatever) [02:11] does it still have to be in hd(0,1) format and such? [02:11] no, that's gub-specific [02:11] or /dev/sda1 [02:11] lilo uses the /dev/sda1 etc. names [02:11] gub? [02:11] er, grub [02:11] ah lol [02:11] Action: Urchlay would like to buy an R, Pat [02:12] haha [02:12] Would you like to solve the puzzle Urchlay ? [02:12] to help with an initrd should you take that route --> ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-current/README.initrd [02:12] dumb question from a dumb ass why would a 32bit app not find the 32bit libraries when they are installed? [02:13] aightt lol [02:13] ok, here's my /etc/lilo.conf, I *don't* use initrd, but it's an example of a lilo.conf with multiple kernels (choose at boot time) [02:13] http://dpaste.com/195977/ [02:13] Urchlay, should I download the latest stable kernel sources or the next ? [02:13] xovan, the other question is "are all the dependencies met for the libs as well as the program?" [02:13] or the snapshot? [02:14] eh, and I use raid-1 for the root fs, you probably don't want /dev/md1 [02:14] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:14] which kernel source would you guys reccomend? [02:14] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:14] the one from kernel.org [02:15] or the one already in /usr/src/linux if you don't need a newer version [02:15] alisonken1home, yep [02:15] aight [02:15] xovan, then the hard way is to ldd the program, then for each lib it says it's dependent on, ldd that library file as well [02:16] xovan, which program? and what version of slackware? [02:16] if you have the generic kernel installed, you can find its config at /boot/config-generic-$VERSION (whatever the version is) [02:16] slack64 -current SecondLife [02:16] cp that to .config in the kernel source dir, then "make menuconfig" or "make oldconfig" [02:17] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:17] I still recommend you build SATA or IDE or whatever you need to boot, plus your filesystems, as =Y (statically linked, not modular) [02:17] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [02:18] you do that, you don't need initrd (KISS principle, one less thing to break or forget) [02:18] xovan, hmm - I've seen some discussion about second life being 32-bit only and possibly flash issues as well [02:20] I'll stick with 32bit ubuntu for running that app then. [02:20] xovan, if it's a second life 32-bit program, you have to also add 32-bit compat to your slackware64 install [02:20] already did [02:21] i'm gonna try compiling 2.6.34 and seeing how it turns out lol [02:21] TehRabbitt, remember to not clobber your current kernels as a fallback - huge at least [02:21] aight... i'll just call it "kernel2" for now [02:23] TehRabbitt-2 (~rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:24] dumb multimedia question: what's the preferred container format for an AAC audio stream with no video? [02:25] mplayer -dumpaudio will write raw AAC data to a file, which nothing will admit it knows how to play (not even mplayer itself) [02:25] I can transcode to whatever, but would prefer not to [02:26] damn, if these are all dumb questions... [02:26] lol [02:26] so which device is it exactly that I need to make sure to enable / disable? [02:26] never_mind (~dexter@219.64.95.198) joined ##slackware. [02:26] TehRabbitt: whatever you need to be able to boot. I don't have it memorized (plus I don't know your system)... [02:26] it's an exercise for the student, doncha know [02:26] Urchlay, have you tried flac or ape in comparison? [02:27] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding <-- Urchlay, m4a perhaps ? [02:27] i meant for wifi [02:27] MLanden: well, the file as downloaded is video + AAC audio, I just want to copy the compressed audio to an audio-only container (if it was video + mp3, it'd end up an mp3 file) [02:27] TehRabbitt-2 (~rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:27] thought m4a was proprietary... /me reads [02:27] TehRabbitt: I donlt know all the modules off hand but mac80211 and ath5k for sure [02:28] about as proprietary as aac ;) [02:29] Axius (~fd@92.82.83.251) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:29] aight.... should i make them as modules or built in? [02:29] modules i'm thinking? [02:29] Nick change: never_mind -> Dexter [02:29] I normal use modules for such devices [02:29] just a preference though [02:30] Urchlay, could mess around with ffmpeg's libfaac..YMMV [02:30] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:31] hm, mp4 seems to be supported. When I tried that with ffmpeg, it wanted to transcode the video too [02:31] njathan: re: ffmpeg - it's been hours - I assume you muddled through somehow? :) [02:32] 4/names [02:32] slakmagik, not really....... :-( [02:32] ... [02:32] seems .aac is an option as well [02:32] Dominian: around for just a moment; daytime is offlimits for me mostly now [02:32] straterra: you pinged? [02:33] straterra: probably open a priv msg with me so it doesn't get lost [02:33] Dominian: you too [02:33] oh, okay - well, there's an #sbopkg channel where you might get better results. Anyway - you should be able to pass the options through the dialog interface or, if you're using queuefiles, add them there. [02:33] eviljames: send me a pub key and I'll take care of that matter we discussed [02:33] eviljames: mail it to any of my addresses will be fine [02:34] we'll work on allowing options as command line options in the release after next [02:35] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:35] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:36] IOW, hit 'Options' and type 'AMRNB=yes AMRWB=yes' into the box, or type 'ffmpeg|AMRNB=yes AMRWB=yes' into a queuefile. [02:36] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: time for a few hours rest before another fun work day !! [02:37] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:37] slakmagik, thanks for clarifying! that was exactly my confusion... using AMRNB or --enable-?? option... now clear :-) I'll try it [02:37] MLanden: actually don't want to have ffmpeg do any encoding/decoding, just dump the existing encoded audio as-is, into some container format with a header that mplayer will recognize [02:37] okay - good luck! [02:37] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:38] Urchlay, should be something in mplayer bag of tricks.:) [02:39] ok, hm. ffmpeg -i input.flv -acodec copy output.aac # works, file says it's "MPEG ADTS, AAC, v4 LC, 44.1 kHz, stereo" and mplayer's smart enough to play it [02:40] Urchlay, I just realized how much stuff is really enabled by default heh [02:40] TehRabbitt: tons of stuff, if you actually had every piece of hardware hooked up that's supported, your computer would be UNIVAC-sized [02:40] LOL [02:41] i love the fact that 3/4 of the networking is enabled that doesn't need to be... [02:41] like my laptop is going to have 10GigE [02:41] heh [02:41] one day... [02:41] 8) maybe you have a 3d screen too ! [02:41] hahahahaha [02:42] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [02:42] and comeon, like this thing is going to have a SCSI raid array... it's a LAPTOP lmao [02:42] yet it comes enabled haha [02:42] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:42] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:44] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-255.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:45] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:46] slakmagik: pm? [02:46] Axius (~fd@92.82.83.251) joined ##slackware. [02:47] vehn_z (~vehn_z@h62-133-181-186.dyn.bashtel.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:48] Axius: welcome back :3 [02:48] fhobia: hello [02:54] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [02:54] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [02:56] Axius (~fd@92.82.83.251) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:57] Axius (~fd@92.82.83.251) joined ##slackware. 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[03:06] yep, another entry [03:06] and then you rerun lilo [03:06] aight lol [03:06] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:06] then just select custom-kernel on boot and hope it doesn't panic :-D lol [03:06] yap, you got it [03:07] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:07] and if it does panic, write down what it's complaining about and go enable it in the kernel, recompile and rinse / repeat [03:07] the fun of kernels :-p lol [03:08] if it tells you anything i guess :-D [03:08] yah, iguess it does [03:08] lol ohhh it does haha [03:09] df [03:09] I remember when I first installed gentoo it was kinda "sink or swim" when it came to compiling the kernel... Sure, you could use "genkernel" but that created a bloated enable all generics kernel lol [03:09] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:09] bloated kernels ftw [03:09] i use hugesmp :3 [03:09] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:09] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [03:11] fhobia, lol... well I remember the first kernel I ever made in gentoo wouldn't load because I forgot to enable IDE/ATA support and it drove me nuts for almost a week [03:11] alreadygone (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [03:11] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. 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My XDM keeps denying some users access (the login never shows up) and it logs this error: keyInvalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 [03:59] I have XDM running on a Debian and Archlinux servers, they don't log that message and they do allow the login screen to show. Is there some extra super security for the default build/conf of XDM in slack? [03:59] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:59] Also, can I turn off all security? This is only for a private LAN anyway. [04:00] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:01] v4nelle (~van@79.107.196.122) joined ##slackware. [04:03] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:04] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:05] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [04:09] edthix (~ed@175.144.229.97) joined ##slackware. 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[05:03] today is the hello day. everyone joins and says hello. [05:03] Action: alisonken1noc hello [05:03] fail, you had to join first [05:03] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [05:04] If he did not already join, he would not be here. [05:04] :) [05:04] How's it going? [05:05] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:10] yipes, I accidentally just hit enter in slackpkg while I was looking through new configuration files for freshly installed packages. [05:10] I hope the configuration files aren't going to be wonky now [05:11] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:11] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:13] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:13] I am going to reboot and find out if things blow up. :D [05:13] popl (~nobody@unaffiliated/popl) left irc: Quit: http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop. [05:14] lol [05:14] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:16] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [05:18] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:19] popl (~nobody@unaffiliated/popl) joined ##slackware. [05:20] Well, nothing obvious is broken [05:20] :) [05:20] Coke (~coke@c-b3bee055.1212-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [05:20] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) joined ##slackware. [05:20] popl, actually, there is slackpkg new-config [05:21] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [05:21] popl, you should definitely read the manpage :) [05:21] slava_dp: but I never learned how to read! [05:21] ;P [05:21] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.99) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:22] fatmah2 (~fn-javach@41.237.5.73) joined ##slackware. [05:23] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:24] slava_dp: although I exited slackpkg in the middle of it asking me whether to write the new config file or save it as .new [05:24] *files [05:24] (there were about 10-15 packages) [05:24] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:24] AH-HA. [05:24] you should diff the .new files (when slackpkg asks you) so that you see what the changes are. [05:24] Yes, that's what I was doing. [05:24] fatmah2 (~fn-javach@41.237.5.73) left irc: Client Quit [05:24] then either remove the .new ones or overwrite them. [05:25] I just got overzealous with the enter key :) [05:25] zealotry can be bad for you computer [05:25] but from looking at /var/log/packages/bluez-4.64-x86_64-1 I can see that it has installed the .new file automatically [05:26] So I see I probably did not lose any of the new configuration options. [05:26] slava_dp: but it can also be quite awesome. :) [05:26] popl, there's a logic to that. if the old one is the same as the new one, the new one is removed. [05:27] cool [05:27] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [05:27] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [05:27] I have not examined the slackpkg script in depth. [05:27] that is in doinst.sh in the package. [05:27] a post-installation script. [05:28] I see [05:29] slava_dp: thanks for the brain dump! [05:30] oooh, neat [05:33] ${RANDOM} is neat, that is [05:33] $RANDOM will suffice. no need for the extra braces. [05:33] if it's in quotes, doesn't it require the braces? [05:34] the braces are parameter expansion. for a single variable, it doesn't add anything. [05:34] oh I guess not [05:34] it's that way in slackpkg [05:34] "${RANDOM}" == "$RANDOM" [05:34] right [05:35] it's just that some bash coders have different habits. [05:35] But I figured as long as you were picking nits... ;) [05:35] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:35] no. [05:36] its a useful habit to have to separate the variable name from a string [05:36] "$foobar" != "${foo}bar" [05:36] this is a separate case. [05:36] that's what I am in the habit of doing, Zordrak [05:36] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:36] but typing two unnesessary characters for every variable is a waste of effort. [05:37] like if you're creating a pathname or something, yeah? [05:39] http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide [05:39] thanks but I think I've got it [05:39] :) [05:40] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.244) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [05:42] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:43] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.27.116) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:44] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:44] as long as its consistent it shouldnt matter that much imo [05:44] as in keeping a certain style [05:45] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.25.140) joined ##slackware. [05:45] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [05:45] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:47] I like consistency. [05:49] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [05:50] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:51] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [05:51] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:53] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:57] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:58] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [06:00] Robertf (~frederic@s184.silver.fastwebserver.de) joined ##slackware. [06:00] Hello [06:01] I've a problem with Mutt in slackware 12.1. use_mailcap: unknown variable [06:02] the problem is the same with set use_envelope_from & set envelope_from_address== [06:02] the problem is the same with set use_envelope_from & set envelope_from_address=user.last@isp.com [06:02] iceheart (~xj@221.235.188.79) joined ##slackware. [06:02] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [06:02] Robertf: are you migrating from another distribution? [06:03] sahko: no [06:03] sahko: it's the default sample file [06:03] Slackware's mutt is the stable version, not the devel one [06:03] oh you said 12.1 as well [06:04] i only copy the sample.muttrc [06:04] the problem is the same in the 13.0 [06:05] is it a problem in the sample? [06:05] the /etc/Muttrc.new doesnt have a use_mailcap [06:06] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [06:06] SiegeX (219@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [06:06] SiegeX (219@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [06:06] sahko: how to solve it? [06:07] well, which file were you referring to as ' the default sample file' ? [06:07] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [06:07] my wireless card dosen't work if i'm not turn on the switcher on boot, why? [06:07] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:08] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [06:08] eelriver (~eelriver@c-24-130-112-52.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [06:08] sahko: i copy sample.muttrc from /usr/share/doc/mutt-1.4.2.3/samples/ [06:08] iceheart: switcher? [06:08] CygnusX1 (~CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:08] CygnusX1 (~CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:08] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:08] phreak (phreak@pool-71-249-11-212.nycmny.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [06:08] eelriver (~eelriver@c-24-130-112-52.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:08] alreadygone (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [06:08] iceheart: If it's a hardware switch on your machine, then it's probably a kill switch that disables the wireless when it is not on. [06:09] I have one on my laptop. [06:09] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:10] yes, it is [06:10] Robertf: yeah found it, so when you start mutt, you get errors? fwiw i dont think i can help. you might want to ask in #mutt [06:10] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:11] sahko: ok, i asked it to #mutt. Thank you [06:11] Robertf: specify that you are running the stable version [06:12] popl: i need to rmmod ath5k, modprobe ath5k, then i could connect to the wireless network [06:12] iceheart: with the switch off? [06:13] popl: no, first, need to switch on [06:13] ok, I see [06:14] popl: is there any method to control it as i do in windows xp, i just need to turn on the switch. [06:15] do you turn it on with the switch on or off [06:15] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [06:15] I think he wants to be able to connect just by turning the switch on. [06:16] sorry, he/she [06:16] he shouldn't have to re-modprobe, no matter what's going on [06:17] right [06:17] but, with my old laptop and slack 12.2, I had to boot with the switch on, load completely, then turn the switch on [06:17] yes, then search the network, it work, in windows xp [06:17] sometimes the things can be finicky, I guess [06:18] alreadygone (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware ("We were always meant to say goodbye..."). [06:18] I am looking. I use a different wireless adapter. [06:19] right [06:20] iceheart: which card is it? from lspci [06:20] maybe because it is a module [06:21] 08:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) [06:22] I'm finding many reports of instability with the ath5k driver [06:22] hrm same as I have, but I don't think mine loads the module [06:22] oh, it does [06:22] sahko: no reply from #mutt ;-) [06:22] actually, iceheart, I've had issues as well [06:23] sounds somewhat typical [06:23] does it tell you: wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down [06:23] what did you do? [06:23] right [06:23] mine always reports the network is down, but I believe I can connect to networks anyway [06:23] as long as I know the essid [06:24] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [06:24] or ap, actually.. but yeah. I don't think scanning has worked for me [06:25] I am reading reports that some people have better luck using the madwifi drivers rather than ath5k [06:25] ifconfig wlan0 up : SIOCSIFFLAGS: unknown error 132 [06:25] iceheart: what I do is use ifconfig wlan0 essid whatever blah blah.. then dhcpcd wlan0 [06:26] sorry, i don't know [06:26] iceheart: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1311886 [06:26] iceheart: does that look like your problem? [06:26] i use wicd connect to network [06:26] ah, well I've always manually connected mine [06:27] it links to a russian site where the problem is corrected, apparently [06:27] ymmv [06:28] In Soviet Russia, driver loads you! [06:28] right, [06:28] just been contacted by an agency.. trying to recruit me for somewhere i previously worked... very ambivalent to say theleast [06:28] Zordrak: MIB? [06:28] Agent... Z? [06:28] lol [06:29] you know, I treat this laptop like a wired desktop so much, I forget what a pain in the ass the wireless is :P but I do remember getting frustrated that it said network is down, just to find connecting worked [06:29] heh [06:29] I can never connect to my school's network using wpa-supplicant [06:30] I think previously, I had 2 kernels.. one with wireless internet working, one with wired, but not both. if I used the wrong one, it'd hang [06:30] http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/I_did_it_for_you_all [06:30] wicd should work [06:30] I never actually labeled which was which, though [06:31] i can't connect to my school network, it use 802.1x [06:31] popl: I set up wpa_supplicant pretty nicely on my other laptop.. have several networks on it, wpa, wep, no key.. works great for all [06:31] wired [06:32] sahko: is that the bogus one? [06:33] i wouldnt call it bogus, maybe [06:33] I was reading on his site that there is a bogus interview floating around. [06:33] bogus in what sense? [06:34] Axius (~fd@109.97.61.183) joined ##slackware. [06:34] completely fabricated [06:34] made up? maybe dont know [06:35] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:36] ah, yeah it seems so [06:36] http://jimmod.com/blog/2007/01/an-interview-with-bjarne-stroustrup-hoax/ [06:36] http://www2.research.att.com/~bs/ieee_interview.html this is supposed to be the same interview on his site [06:37] sahko: note the word competent appears in the fake interview but nowhere in the real one. :) [06:37] raela: if you have any better solution, please tell me [06:37] the fake one is funny, though. :) [06:37] jrodger (~jrodger@220-244-18-174.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:38] iceheart: sorry, I just have a script to connect to commonly used networks that calls ifconfig to set the network and then dhcpcd manually [06:38] gernd1 (~gernd@g226109243.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [06:38] gernd (~gernd@g230077133.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [06:38] I seem to have no authority (even as root) to manage my acpi settings [06:39] all right, keep funny :P [06:39] iceheart: have you tried the madwifi drivers? [06:39] jrodger, what are you trying to do? [06:40] i'll get a try, thanks popl [06:40] yep. good luck. [06:41] iceheart (~xj@221.235.188.79) left irc: Quit: ‚» [06:41] dive, I've been trying to get my notebook to hibernate, it seems that if I type /sys/power/state for example I get permission denied (even as root) [06:41] jrodger, yeah it's not a file you cna run [06:41] can* [06:41] jrodger: there aren't any executable files in /sys [06:41] you with read from it or write to it [06:42] try acpitool [06:42] s/with/either/ [06:42] jrodger, try cat /sys/power/state and echo $SOMEVALUE > /sys/power/state [06:43] Kaapa (~Something@a95-93-240-222.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [06:43] or better yet, use the settings tool for your particular desktop manager (if you're using one). [06:43] how come slackpkg doesnt detect slackpkg update and tries to install it either first or last ? [06:43] Kaapa (~Something@a95-93-240-222.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [06:44] if I try cat /sys/power/state I get mem and disk [06:44] jrodger, ok so now 'echo disk > /sys/power/state' [06:44] and you hibernate [06:46] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:46] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:48] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!0@* expired. [06:48] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [06:48] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:48] jrodger (~jrodger@220-244-18-174.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Read error: No route to host [06:50] popl (~nobody@unaffiliated/popl) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:51] jrodger (~jrodger@220-244-18-174.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:51] ha ha ha, that shut down the computer (I suspect hibernate to disk) [06:52] he did say it hibernates you [06:52] I know.... [06:52] 1 down, 287 to go [06:53] Guest70099 (~grbzks@62.38.16.23) joined ##slackware. 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[06:59] jrodger, yes but as thrice` pointed out you can just run acpi_listen [06:59] which is less bother [06:59] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:00] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:01] Guest24751 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:01] x3r0x (x3r0x@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:01] adrien (~adrien@ns.armedbsd.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:01] where does acpi_listen log to? [07:01] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:02] popl (~nobody@unaffiliated/popl) joined ##slackware. [07:02] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:02] cmeow (cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [07:03] straterra (~straterra@2001:470:8a81::4) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:03] jrodger, it writes in the console (or it should) [07:03] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:03] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [07:03] straterra (~straterra@2001:470:8a81::4) joined ##slackware. [07:04] x3r0x (x3r0x@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [07:04] nothing..... [07:04] Plasmastar (~Plasma@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [07:04] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [07:05] cmeow (~cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [07:05] isn't hibernation independent of acpi? [07:05] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:06] oh I guess not anymore [07:07] jrodger, oh well, back to using a log file I guess then [07:07] what was that command again, sorry? [07:07] echo $@ >> /etc/acpi/log [07:08] j0z (~UNIX@189.115.81.226) joined ##slackware. [07:08] j0z (~UNIX@189.115.81.226) left irc: Changing host [07:08] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [07:09] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:09] Kaapa (~Something@a95-93-240-222.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:11] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:11] popl (~nobody@unaffiliated/popl) left irc: Quit: http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop. [07:13] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [07:13] jgeboski (james@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. 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[07:25] what is available on a completely stock slack to view the contents of an excel file? [07:25] nm.. kspread [07:27] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-6-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:28] caixabox (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-bktnjltxvcdmzslx) joined ##slackware. [07:28] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-jzfxymgenkfvouis) joined ##slackware. [07:28] hello [07:29] morning [07:30] hi [07:30] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:30] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [07:30] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [07:31] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:31] :) [07:31] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [07:31] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [07:33] zepfred (~quassel@200.131.208.34) joined ##slackware. [07:33] zepfred (quassel@200.131.208.34) left ##slackware. [07:34] Dexter (~dexter@219.64.95.198) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:34] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) joined ##slackware. [07:34] v4nelle (~van@79.107.196.122) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:35] lamah (~ghost@78.90.113.108) joined ##slackware. [07:35] adrien (~adrien@ns.armedbsd.net) joined ##slackware. [07:36] adrien (~adrien@ns.armedbsd.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:36] adrien (~adrien@ns.armedbsd.net) joined ##slackware. [07:37] does a slackware haves a tool who connect to i-net like yum, apt-get, etc. ?! [07:38] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:38] to connect to 'i-net'? yum/apt/whatever definitely don't do anything for the internet connection [07:38] of [07:38] i think he's referring to a package for i-net [07:38] adrien: for package downloading i mean of course [07:39] jgeboski: yes [07:39] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [07:39] ls [07:40] jgeboski: haves it? [07:41] what is `i-net`? [07:41] internet [07:41] :") [07:41] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:41] or only local packages like 90's [07:41] you want a package to connect to the internet? [07:42] jgeboski: no, sorry for english first i want package tool [07:42] Guest57526 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [07:42] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:42] slackpkg? [07:42] pkgtool but with inet connection [07:43] jgeboski: slackpkg is local only? [07:43] ah i see what you're asking. [07:43] what [07:43] :)))))))))) [07:43] You want something that automatically downloads packages and installs them? [07:43] YES yes! [07:44] sbopkg [07:44] not going to happen [07:44] i thaves now slackware with version 13.x ? [07:44] jgeboski: [07:44] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:44] you could do raela's suggestion [07:45] lamah: sbopkg will automatically download/install from slackbuilds.org [07:45] is it really that hard to get a slackbuild and install that? [07:45] aa [07:45] sbopkg [07:46] jgeboski: I do admit, it makes things kind of nice :P saves a few wgets [07:47] asamoah (~caio@wiltel.wilnet.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [07:47] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:47] it is slackbuilds.org actually? [07:47] well okay [07:48] I generally type slack and go down in my browser history to it [07:48] google chrome automatically selects if for me :) [07:48] yes that is the exact site [07:48] jgeboski: slackadelic's pastebin is first for me, then get slack, then sbo [07:49] raela: rearrange! 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[07:59] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [08:00] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:04] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-70-156.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:05] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-70-236.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [08:06] Can I just install gnome-libs without completely installing gnome, (So that I can install mysql-workbench)? [08:06] te_: gnome is not part of slackware [08:06] ananke: Neither is mysql-workbench [08:07] But I need it. [08:07] so try and tell us if it works? [08:07] te, yes you can install gnome libs only [08:07] mancha: Is there an easy way, (other than installing the whole enchalada? [08:08] yes, you find out which support libs it needs and install those (and its deps). no need for the whole enchilada. [08:09] Ok... well, just found lynx --source http://gnomeslackbuild.org/net-install | bash [08:09] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.244) joined ##slackware. [08:09] i thought you meant libgnome when you said gnomelibs. did you mean others too? [08:09] which appears to install all of gnome, gdm etc... and I don't want it. [08:09] mancha: Well, I just need mysql-workbench [08:10] then don't use the whole gsb ? [08:10] Axius (~fd@92.84.1.145) joined ##slackware. [08:10] that's not my question. [08:10] and which libs are needed exactly? [08:10] i'm not going to research this for you, come back when you know exactly what mysql-workbench needs :) [08:10] I don't know really, haven't been able to find out as yet [08:10] It just keeps asking for more. [08:10] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:10] Im afraid it needs all of them. [08:12] that might be, or a majority of them in which case least work route might be to install one of the 3rd party gnome's for slackware. [08:12] All I've found so far is mysql-workbench-oss-5.1.18a-1fc11.i386.rpm and I used rpm2tgz to create mysql-workbench-oss-5.1.18a-1fc11.i386.tgz [08:13] mancha: Yea, that's why I was looking at http://gnomeslackbuild.org/download/ [08:13] I'm running 13.0 with KDE-4.3 [08:14] check the packages, install the ones which don't overwrite anything, run mysql-workbench and once you're done, remove the packages? [08:15] Not sure it will run without them. [08:16] And, I dont mind installing gnome, but I really don't intend to use it. [08:16] And looks like lynx --source http://gnomeslackbuild.org/net-install | bash [08:16] will try and upgrade what is missing in KDE [08:17] and I have all that blacklisted via slackpkg because I don't really want to revert back to kde 4.2 [08:18] It sees KDE-4.2.4 packages as missing. [08:19] iirc most of the packages that overwrite files are libpng or friends, so which you probably don't need to mysql-workbench [08:21] woolala (~ubuntu@122-124-135-3.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [08:22] sirslacker (~sirslacke@tmo-101-179.customers.d1-online.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:23] Well, maybe there is another ... Just found tarball [08:23] I'm downlading now. Will see what I can do. Thanks all. [08:24] jrodger (~jrodger@220-244-18-174.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [08:25] dive & thrice: E.U.frigging.REKA (not exactly Archimedes but with your help I cracked it. [08:26] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.51.116) joined ##slackware. [08:29] jrodger: aha. [08:30] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [08:30] lol [08:30] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [08:30] I kept testing and testing.......I'm typing from stubs.....but I cracked it, I make the Chestershire cat look like a sobbing loon! [08:31] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [08:32] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:32] Well, I found source for earlier version for mysql-workbench but doesn't seem to have provisions for linux [08:32] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [08:32] you sound like your base was under a tack, jrodger ... glad you were able to remove the tack. [08:33] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [08:34] I'm still concerned about the stability....I might rebuild it next couple of days to get things stable [08:35] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:35] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [08:36] sirslacker (~sirslacke@tmo-101-109.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [08:37] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:38] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. 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Please reference "Using IRC as root" via google for further information. [08:50] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.35.1) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:50] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:50] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [08:52] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:53] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [08:54] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:55] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [08:55] Hello [08:56] Bitchx is removal from 12.2, Why? [08:56] Robertf, because it is insecure and unmaintained. [08:56] Because iirc, it's unmaintained [08:56] and there are better ones - eg irssi. [08:56] Robertf, use irssi. [08:56] lol [08:57] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:57] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [08:58] slava_dp: i use it.. it is for information [08:58] v4nelle (~van@79.107.196.122) joined ##slackware. [08:58] Robertf, so use irssi instead, will you? [08:59] specifically there are known security bugs that have not been fixed [08:59] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:59] i'm using irssi [09:00] Robertf: so what's the problem? [09:00] _Strykar (~wakka@122.169.66.65) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:00] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [09:00] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.244) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:00] sid77 (~sid77@moko.slackware.it) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:01] 2nd question. If a user used knemo in 12.2 and want to use it in 13.0. It's not possible because it's removal [09:01] Robertf: so what's the question? [09:01] ananke: 13:54:27 < Robertf> Bitchx is removal from 12.2, Why? [09:01] Why does some packages are removal from last version.. [09:02] Robertf: 'removed' not 'removal'. they're removed, because they're no longer available upstream [09:02] Robertf, knemo does nothing. why do you want to use it? [09:02] If you'd like knemo, install it from SBo: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/knemo/ [09:02] sorry if my knowlegde in english is not good [09:02] Zordrak: i was talking about his '2nd question' [09:03] NightTiger (~derekm@2001:470:1d:e4:216:17ff:fe3b:21d0) joined ##slackware. [09:03] orite [09:03] Distributions change and the software included with them changes depending on what's available, what's supported, and what the distribution maintainers want to include. [09:03] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@unaffiliated/raph0x88) joined ##slackware. [09:03] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:04] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [09:04] ok, i understand. Thank you [09:06] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [09:06] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:08] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [09:08] How can mount a iso image to install packages from it? [09:09] modprobe loop [09:09] zepfred (~quassel@200.131.208.34) joined ##slackware. [09:09] mount -o looop isofile /mnt/hd [09:09] mount -o loop /path/to/image.iso /mnt/tmp [09:09] or someucd /mnt/hd/slackware* [09:09] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:09] no need to modprobe loop :) [09:10] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [09:10] you do if you don't have loop loaded or your kernel doesn't load it automaticaly (as mine doesn't because I didn't configure it to) [09:13] zepfred (quassel@200.131.208.34) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Bate-papo confortável em qualquer lugar."). [09:13] StevenR (~foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:13] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:14] StevenR (~foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:14] zepfred (~quassel@200.131.208.34) joined ##slackware. [09:15] MoZes, mine loads loop fine. [09:15] a custom kernel too (based on the slackware generic one). [09:15] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:16] zux1wrk (1000@80.81.42.2) joined ##slackware. [09:16] my works too. thanks [09:17] mine works too. thanks [09:17] zepfred (quassel@200.131.208.34) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Bate-papo confortável em qualquer lugar."). [09:17] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [09:20] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-10.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:22] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. 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[09:40] hello all [09:40] hi gtludwig [09:43] good morning everyone [09:44] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:47] Nick change: alema0d0wn -> alema0 [09:47] pupet: can I use the mini iso to install -current? [09:47] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:47] pupit: i also cant spell [09:47] Does anyone know what happens if you use a WD EARS hdd and don't format it at all? [09:47] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [09:47] rab13s: i dont know really, 99% that you can [09:48] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:48] I usually just use mke2fs on an unpartitioned disk. [09:48] rab13s: i did not used it yet, i stick to usb installer [09:48] groo (~groo@189.64.129.162) joined ##slackware. [09:48] groo (~groo@189.64.129.162) left irc: Client Quit [09:48] Where can I find a mini iso to install current? [09:49] Axius: in the kitchen of alienBOB [09:49] he is our chef [09:50] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackboot/mini/ [09:51] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [09:53] pupit: thanks [09:54] np [09:55] rworkman: if you're around, I'll be around for a little bit and pm is fine [09:55] pupit: the slackware13 mini iso on that site would allow me to do a network install of -current? [09:56] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:56] rab13s: as it says: nfs/http/ftp :) [09:57] pupit: would that also install the 2.6.33 kernel, even though im booting with hugesmp.s [09:58] i think it would [09:59] if you plan to install current, i dotn remember which kernel is in 13.0v [09:59] 2.6.29 [10:00] nachox: you should join #httpd instead. [10:00] nachox: there is no support in #apache [10:00] thumbs, i was wondering whether the apache infrastructure guys hang out in there [10:01] nachox: no, no one hangs out in #apache [10:01] nachox: try #asfinfra [10:02] rab13s: there ya go, hugesmp.s is just a synonym for huge kernel with nearly all important modules built in the kernel and smp is for more than one core in processor [10:02] nachox: and I will clean up the channel at some point (so don't be offended if I kick you, please) [10:02] nachox: you may also join #httpd-dev [10:03] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:03] thumbs, i asked because i know they use OTP in their servers.I wanted to know how it was implemented [10:04] nachox: then you should join #asfinfra and #httpd-dev [10:04] eclectist (~weechat@h105.248.17.98.static.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [10:04] nachox: I can also put you in touch with Tony. [10:06] slackin (~slackin@68.204.232.100) joined ##slackware. [10:07] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:08] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B15A9D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:09] thumbs: the Tiger? [10:09] heh [10:09] slackin (~slackin@68.204.232.100) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:09] dngr (~dngr@n112118130253.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [10:10] Zordrak: no. [10:14] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:14] how to use xxgdb? it crashes on me. [10:15] might it need a rebuild? i'm on -current. [10:15] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [10:16] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [10:16] How to install slack with alienbob's mini iso without burning a cd? [10:16] what is the error? [10:17] mancha, if you're speaking to me, when I launch xxgdb it just goes "Killed". That's all. [10:17] eek [10:17] mancha, you on -current? [10:17] try it [10:17] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@h80ad23ac.async.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:18] don't you launch as gdb: i.e. obj corefile? [10:18] xxgdb obj core [10:18] tried this now. Killed. [10:19] jpohl (~jpohl@adsl-99-163-81-214.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:19] edthix (~ed@175.144.229.97) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:20] you're root? [10:20] jpohl (~jpohl@adsl-99-163-81-214.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:21] I think it needs a rebuild. [10:21] the reason i ask is that xxgdb needs access to pty's iirc [10:21] so you might need to sudo it [10:21] if you're not root...which i expect you're not. [10:21] wow, xxgdb is almost as old as Slackware (1995) [10:22] it's a bug, I'll mail Pat. [10:23] slava_dp: did it work before? cause i think thats all i ever got [10:23] brb [10:23] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [10:23] well it should work if it's in slackware, right? [10:23] if not, let's get rid of it. [10:24] are you familiar with its usage? maybe it needs some command line argument to work [10:24] no it does not. [10:24] ah ok, since you are familiar [10:24] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:24] im not [10:24] http://people.cs.vt.edu/~kafura/cs2704/xxgdb.html [10:24] it needs access to pty's (2nd time i say this) [10:24] i've googled. [10:25] as root, it also gets killed. [10:26] Axius: try and let us know how :) [10:28] slava, on older slack's it is also a dud. [10:28] BrunoRusso (~brunoruss@200.162.45.6) joined ##slackware. [10:29] btw, if you're shopping, gnu has a frontend called ddd [10:29] mancha, then my guess is that this package is a cold piece of dinosaur crap, which nobody noticed that it's still present. [10:29] ddd.. thanks, I'll check it out. [10:31] http://www.gnu.org/software/ddd/ [10:33] eddie_grey (~e@187.23.103.41) joined ##slackware. [10:34] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [10:34] does anyone read mailing lists through gmane via nntp? [10:35] mass_nerder (~c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/x-wchrylxvkuxdfiiv) joined ##slackware. [10:37] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [10:37] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [10:38] my idea pretty much is, subscribe to mailing list, cancel mail delivery, read via nntp, post whenever you got something to say. that way my mail inbox will stay clean and i will still be able to participate. does that work? [10:39] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:40] it works (for mailing list supporting turning off mail delivery) [10:40] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:42] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [10:43] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [10:45] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-10.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:49] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:50] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!0@* expired. [10:50] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:53] sinuhe (~sinuhe@ip65-44-231-178.z231-44-65.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [10:54] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:54] jhw (~jhw@p57982A60.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:55] sahko: What nntp client do you use? [10:56] my favourite is slrn [10:58] SABnzbd or is that different? [10:58] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:58] thats for binaries.. [10:59] slrn is only txt? [10:59] is slrn hard to setup? [10:59] slrn is command line yes [10:59] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:00] do people really use usenet for things other than binaries? [11:01] caixabox (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-bktnjltxvcdmzslx) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:01] jeev: I feel like I should use it for sometihng other then binaries [11:02] Genk1 (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:03] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:04] Axius: http://michielvwessem.wordpress.com/howto/slrn/ should help you at least get started. [11:05] maddslacker (~corey@63-227-0-51.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:06] BP{k}: thanks for the link. [11:06] slrn , like mutt is most extensible, and comes with extensive documentation [11:06] is anyone else having issues with slackpkg with DIALOG=on? [11:06] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [11:11] alreadygone (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [11:12] alreadygone (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [11:12] PiterPunk: Since we probably won't connect anytime soon, I just wondered if you had thoughts on how slackpkg loses the tempfiles if it gets upgraded in an upgrade-all. [11:12] maddslacker: Define "issues" [11:13] one sec I'll pastebin the error [11:13] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:14] well it's still running (via workaround) I'll re-run it and get the error in a min [11:15] whats the workaround? [11:15] set DIALOG=off [11:15] but that doesn't allow you to interactively select packages [11:17] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:17] Sounds like you're missingncurses. [11:17] *missing ncurses [11:18] lemme check that actually.. [11:18] The list below shows all packages with name matching "ncurses". [11:18] [ installed ] - ncurses-5.7-x86_64-2 [11:19] so at this point we're good: [11:19] http://pastebin.org/248397 [11:19] Axius (~fd@92.84.1.145) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:19] Axius (~fd@92.84.1.145) joined ##slackware. [11:20] but no matter what I choose, I get this [11:20] http://pastebin.org/248401 [11:20] I have completely removed slackpkg and reinstalled it hopingit would clear its head, buit no change [11:20] *but [11:20] which version? [11:21] slackpkg - version 2.81.1 [11:21] but the behavior started in the previous version [11:21] and, I think, around the time I installed alienbob's multilibs...not 100% sure on that though [11:21] did you blacklist the multilib stuff? [11:22] yup [11:22] eclectist (~weechat@h105.248.17.98.static.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.2.5 [11:22] http://pastebin.org/248412 [11:22] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:23] Hmm.... [11:24] Have you created any compat32 packages? Seamonkey or the like? [11:25] Oh darnit... I deleted my blacklist. D= [11:25] was WoW on that list? [11:25] Nope. [11:25] Still play it on the weekends. [11:26] hehe [11:26] jkwood, I followed alienBOB's wiki exactly, and I have before and it has always worked...not sying I didn't fubar anything, but if I did it's obscure [11:26] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-162.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [11:27] Well, if I wasn't an idiot, I'd be able to show you my blacklist. [11:27] lol, if I wasn't an idiot, mine would still be working [11:28] Action: jkwood tries to recreate it [11:28] Wait... I may not be in such bad shape. [11:28] I pasted mine above..did it appear logical? [11:28] you look pretty bad from here [11:29] Nope... I'm in bad shape. [11:29] doh [11:29] excercise and diet [11:29] REgular backups. [11:29] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:29] situps too [11:31] maddslacker: Can you paste teh actual contents of the blacklist file? [11:32] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [11:33] adrien (~adrien@ns.armedbsd.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:33] maddslacker (~corey@63-227-0-51.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:34] tmkd (user-448@clients.shells.eofnet.lt) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:34] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:34] bwahahaha: [20:07:25] now that you all are awake. are there anyone who can [11:34] help with my problem? I have compressed my important files with md5sum. 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[11:39] fire|bird (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:39] dustybin (dustybin@wizbox.org) joined ##slackware. [11:39] Okay, so it's not just Freenode. OFTC and Dalnet did it too. [11:39] shalkie (~shalkie@166-70-208-58.ip.xmission.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:39] adrien_ (~adrien@ns.armedbsd.net) joined ##slackware. [11:39] trhodes_ (~tom@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [11:39] shalkie (~shalkie@166-70-208-58.ip.xmission.com) joined ##slackware. [11:39] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) joined ##slackware. [11:39] tybalt89 (rick@p3m/member/tybalt89) left ##slackware. [11:39] My ssid is hidden, but I don't know what that would cause problems with. [11:40] twoshot_: did you read /usr/doc/wicd-1.7.0/README.SLACKWARE? [11:40] acidchild (~ash@septic.ziwall.net) left irc: Quit: Get your dirty momma out of my toenail! [11:40] also i had suggested the other day to use 1.7.0. i hope you did that [11:40] sahko, I read a lot, but not that specific file. I'll go read it (I haven't deleted the download yet.) [11:41] Yes I did try 1.7.0. Along with 1.6.2 and 1.5.9. Nothing was working [11:41] agentc0re (~agentc0re@174-23-161-15.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:41] agentc0re (~agentc0re@174-23-161-15.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Changing host [11:41] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [11:41] I read that there may have been a bug in 1.7.0 so I went back to 1.6.2 and then to 1.5.9. [11:41] mindbendr (~neveragai@bourbon.biscuit.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:41] iirc the bug with hidden networks in in 1.6.2.2 [11:41] jimi (~jimi@danix.eaerich.com) joined ##slackware. [11:42] 1.6.2.1 [11:42] ph|ber (~phiber@mail.synergies4u.com) joined ##slackware. [11:43] I was having a problem obtaining the ip address [11:43] wpa_s will time out eventually [11:43] then wicd will try dhcp [11:43] which I know is wrong [11:43] but it does it anyway [11:43] I didn't do that. :P [11:43] udev did it [11:43] I want it to use dhcp. [11:44] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [11:44] twoshot_: did you read the file? [11:44] Nick change: adrien_ -> adrien [11:44] maddslacker (~corey@63-227-0-51.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:44] thumbs (1000@modemcable250.220-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:44] sahko, I can't find it. I'm currently looking for it. [11:44] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:44] i'm back, that was weird...all my ssl connections dropped simultaneously [11:45] sahko, did you get my last pastebin? [11:45] maddslacker: i got two links, but since i dont use neither slackpkg or multilib i dont think i can help [11:45] no worries [11:46] oh, it was jkwood looking for my blakclist file [11:46] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [11:46] I found the readme online. It doesn't tell me anything I wasn't already doing. [11:47] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [11:47] Error messages had gotten me to do the right thing. [11:47] twoshot_: did you clear /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf ?/ [11:47] maddslacker: I didn't get it, no. [11:47] k [11:48] Am I supposed to completely empty that file? [11:48] straterra (~straterra@2001:470:8a81::4) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:48] In any case, mine is working now. [11:48] theres instructions in the file you said you read [11:48] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:49] http://pastebin.org/248540 [11:49] It says to remove any references to that file. [11:49] ^^ my blacklist file [11:49] Plasmastar (~Plasma@botters/plasmastar) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:50] cmeow (~cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:50] Guest57526 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:50] Oh my bad. I misread the file. [11:51] I'll try wicd again. We'll see whether it works. [11:51] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:51] Nick change: NaCl -> GhostOfNaCl [11:51] x3r0x (x3r0x@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:51] twoshot_: fwiw you can find a clean rc.inet1.conf in the network-scripts package [11:52] nemesis (~nemesis@tmo-100-56.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [11:52] k [11:52] is AMD® Turion X2 - 2.2Ghz a good processor? [11:52] there should be a .new in there too [11:53] guax: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [11:53] looks at least old [11:53] te_ (~te@74.113.242.6) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:53] yeah the package has .new. source is straight up [11:53] Hmm... nothing wrogn there, maddslacker [11:53] adrien, computer prices are abusive here. perhaps i should wait for xmas [11:54] jkwood, cool...it's like it sees broken packages that it can't resolve [11:54] turion x2 is years old [11:54] where would I just clear the slackpkg cached info and let it start over? [11:54] guax: but there should be an XX-YY model number (X alphabetic, Y numeric) which would say more [11:54] cmeow (cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [11:55] /var/lib/slackpkg should have everything. [11:55] kinda what I though too [11:55] Action: maddslacker pokes around [11:55] Also, check in /var/log/packages for partially upgraded packages. [11:55] brainvision (~brainvisi@host42-8-dynamic.57-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:55] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-107.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [11:56] (ls /var/log/packages | grep -i upgraded) [11:56] R$3999, thats about $2221 for: "Notebook HP Pavilion dv4-2080BR c/ Intel® Core i5 430M 2.26GHz 4GB 500GB Blu-ray Disc e DVD-RW" [11:57] wow, 2200USD? where do you live? what about buying it abroad and have it shipped? [11:57] straterra (~straterra@2001:470:8a81::4) joined ##slackware. [11:57] 4000 nigerian dollars? [11:58] adrien, brasil [11:58] hkvn (~hkvn@113.160.19.198) joined ##slackware. [11:58] ah? that's ok, I just won 4 000 000 of them ;-) [11:58] i can put you in touch with a nigerian princess who has offered me $50 million [11:58] oh right, i knew id see it somewhere [11:58] s/see/seen [11:58] guax: hmmm, you should really check how much it would cost to buy it somewhere else and have it shipped [11:58] for that cost you could almost go abroad by plane, buy the computer and come back [11:58] Nick change: GhostOfNaCl -> NaCl [11:59] you have to realize how far away brazil is [11:59] its a 20hr flight with a stop over [11:59] adrien, ~50% international import taxes plus shipping [11:59] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:59] guax: "gift" written on it? [12:00] and shipping has actually gotten much cheaper in the recent years [12:00] ALVAN (~galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [12:00] to the point of being ok to ship from the us to europe [12:00] a 999 macbook goes for 1498 without shipping [12:01] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:01] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [12:01] a 1000 USD macbook goes for 1000 EUR... not exactly the best reference [12:01] boo CRAPBOOKS [12:01] well, actually, one of the best reference for groundless expensiveness [12:01] just used as reference for knowing the price [12:01] adrien loves mac [12:01] do *1.5 to see how much it would cost [12:02] why's brazil so expensive? bit import tax or some other reason... [12:02] s/bit/big [12:02] jeev: fucking hate these, you should know better ;-) [12:02] mancha, taxes [12:02] yes, its even expensive for foreign companies to operate in brasil [12:03] food is cheap compared to rest of the world. very cheap. but computers =/ [12:03] adrien, come on.. you code in "cocoa" or whatever.. [12:03] is food subsidized? [12:03] brazil is very protectionist and discourages importing [12:04] brainvision (~brainvisi@host42-8-dynamic.57-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:04] mancha, no, it just produced in absurd scales for exporting [12:04] i thought protectionism went out of style in the 80s, ain't it pretty much known that do be prosperous you need to be free? [12:04] jeev: that'd be objective-c and you know I do ocaml ;-) [12:04] mancha, where you live? [12:04] (there's a bridge between ocaml and objective-c though) [12:04] every country does proctetionism in some area [12:05] adrien, you keep calling cocoa ocaml [12:05] jkwood, I fixed it..I removed slackpkg the app, /etc/slackpkg. /var/lib/slackpkg and /tmp/slackpkg* [12:05] jeev: =) [12:05] and brazil still has high inflation and an unstable gov't [12:05] fire|bird (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:06] guax: weird to do that for computers though [12:06] then re-installed, copied mirrors back, updated, re-blacklisted...now it runs fine [12:06] replay (~replay@69.26.207.251) joined ##slackware. [12:06] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: Bang Bang!!!! [12:06] alot of things done there are populist to remain in power [12:06] jkwood, I'm thinking the blacklisted multilibs got into a weird state [12:06] fire|bird (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:06] maddslacker: Hmm.... sounds like there may have been an issue in slackpkg.conf or /tmp/slackpkg/ [12:06] but they have a real problem with the underclass [12:06] The-spiki (~spiki@linette.scnet.rs) joined ##slackware. [12:06] fire|bird (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:06] jkwood, agreed [12:07] I'm leaning toward the /tmp one [12:07] adrien, for pretty much everything but books. books are tax free [12:07] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-64-22.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:07] wow, running it now and there's a boatload of packages in install-new [12:08] brasil is a big crazy experiment [12:08] dan (~dan@112.198.229.118) joined ##slackware. [12:08] Skywise, big improvements these years. perhaps theres hope after all [12:08] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:09] the people are awesome, its the gov'ts that keep going crazy [12:09] Hello, guys. I'm planning to buy a graphics card. What's the best v-card that is compatible with slackware? I've got a 22" widescreen lcd monitor. [12:10] dan: Anything nvidia will be good, as long as you use the proprietary driver. [12:10] guax: I understand a country could want protectionism but I doubt brazil makes computers [12:10] Intel tends to be in better shape if you want to use only open-source stuff. [12:10] if you're looking for 3-d accelerated hardware, not much luck there [12:10] ati used to work for me [12:10] and high taxes for a developing sector is a bad idea imho [12:10] I ran mine with 'nvidia' from the kernel on my mythtv box and it was excellent [12:10] heh, and my intel vid card works pretty well on my laptop with dual monitors and all that [12:10] Skywise: The nvidia closed-source stuff works great. [12:10] adrien, we make the same way every country does. we import cpu/motherboard everything from china and assemble here [12:11] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [12:11] jkwood: I'm not a gamer myself but in the future I want to add a new monitor. What's the best nividia cards for me? [12:11] dell, hp, acer, all of them have industris in country. but they use the hight tax as excuse to make the prices higher than they can really do [12:11] industries* [12:11] jkwood, i didn't think that implemented all the features [12:12] dan: Pretty well any of the newer ones should be fine. [12:12] Skywise: I beleifve you're thinking of the open-source ones. [12:12] i know nouveau doesn't, but i didn't think the binary was much better [12:12] hkvn (hkvn@113.160.19.198) left ##slackware. [12:13] radeon is getting really good [12:13] guax: definitely [12:13] i've always had an issue with ati drivers [12:14] the 3400 series ati casrds work well with the driver in the kernel [12:14] adrien, dell still ships just core 2 duo on they national www store [12:14] guax: Jobs said the highest price in the uk was because of the taxes but the taxes would be at most 13% higher and the apple products cost 25 to 30% more [12:14] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-149-48-42.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [12:14] guax: well, c2d are pretty widespread and definitely still in use [12:14] adrien, yes, but they dont sell core i* none of them [12:14] cost less and afaik, you don't have (ultra) low-voltage core iX yet (might appear very soon) [12:15] guax: gah [12:15] Processador Intel® Core"2 Duo P7550 (2.26 GHz, 3 MB L2 cache, 1066 MHz FSB) - BRH144 [12:15] the best they offer [12:15] for the inspirion series [12:15] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:16] dan (~dan@112.198.229.118) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:16] theres a black market for smuggling in computer hardware to brasil [12:16] isnt there everywhere [12:16] no [12:16] guax: I think that cpu is actually quite recent [12:16] its a commoddity item everywhere else [12:16] would have to check ark.intel.com for more details [12:17] adrien, they charge a butload of money for that. [12:17] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:18] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [12:18] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ... [12:18] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@h80ad23ac.async.vt.edu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:19] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [12:20] garme (~garme@189.17.129.210) joined ##slackware. [12:20] sahko, I set up wicd, but now it can't find any wireless networks. [12:20] twoshot_, in the prefs, did you set the name of your wireless card? [12:20] does 'iwlist s' shows anything (run as root?) [12:20] no [12:20] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [12:21] cmeow (cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) left irc: Write error: Broken pipe [12:21] Are you talking about the wireless interface? The correct value is in there, wlan0. [12:21] ok, next do what adrenaline said [12:22] err adrien [12:22] lo eth0 and wmaster0 all say "Interface doesn't support scanning" and wlan0 says "No scan results." [12:23] physical switch for the wireless? [12:23] and which card? [12:23] straterra (~straterra@2001:470:8a81::4) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:23] I forget the card name. One second. [12:24] broadcom? [12:24] intel wifi link 5100 [12:24] what does iwconfig wlan0 show? [12:24] I have a 5300 and it worked out of the box [12:25] garme (garme@189.17.129.210) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:25] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:25] Well this should work out of the box. Previous installations of wicd were picking up networks. [12:25] I'll pastebin the output of iwconfig [12:26] twoshot_: which slackware version? [12:26] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [12:26] 13.0 [12:26] hmmm [12:26] I think this version is too old, especially firmware maybe, not sure but could be the problem [12:26] http://pastebin.com/6cMEZhT8 [12:27] Should I upgrade then? [12:27] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:27] pastebin the output of dmesg [12:27] Action: adrien should really leave now [12:28] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:28] dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/NTpwcca2 [12:28] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:29] btw: EXT3-fs: sda2: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (240). [12:30] o.0 [12:30] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:30] ah, no, it's ok [12:31] it's your / and it first tries to mount it as ext3, fails and then mounts it as ext4 as expected, sorry ;p [12:31] iwlagn: Radio disabled by HW RF Kill switch [12:31] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [12:31] Action: maddslacker checks to see if his does that [12:31] haha [12:31] which laptop? brand? check the physical switch [12:31] dell inspiron 1440 [12:32] How do I check the physical switch? [12:32] make sure it's turned on *before* you turn your computer on (if it's off during boot, I won't be able to turn it back on here) [12:32] twoshot_: it's a button on your laptop :P [12:32] somewhere [12:32] could be a special key too actually and handled in acpi [12:32] Action: adrien has to leave now [12:32] Haha I got that from physical but I don't know where it is. [12:32] k [12:33] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-149-48-42.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:33] can be anywhere, including a special key on the keyboard (Fn + something for instance) [12:34] :/ [12:34] Fn + F2 or in the bios [12:34] for that one [12:35] Oh ok. Y'all are talking about the thing that turns off wireless. [12:35] Yeah, f2, it's annoyed me sometimes when I accidentally hit it and couldn't figure out what was going on [12:35] That might be the issue. [12:35] should be [12:35] also, is your filesystem in fact ext4? [12:35] *facepalm* [12:35] It was the issue. [12:35] \o/ [12:35] Yes it is. [12:35] good catch though [12:36] check /etc/fstab and see if it has root as ext3 there [12:36] cmeow (cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [12:36] /dev/sda2 /home ext4 defaults 1 2 [12:37] that's my ext4 partition [12:37] root is ext4 [12:37] I'm getting a bad password error... I know the password is correct [12:37] ok, prolly wouldn't worry about it then [12:37] the ewrror in dmesg I mean [12:37] jkwood: it looses the tempfiles to prevent problems with different pkglist formats. 2.81.1 fixes that. The files are still removed but, while slackpkg is running it uses another copy. But, we'll only see the fixes when we do the next update [12:38] PiterPunk, is the re: the issue I was having? [12:38] k [12:38] straterra (~straterra@2001:470:8a81::4) joined ##slackware. [12:39] maddslacker: if the issue that you have is a lot of errors in all packages after slackpkg... yes -;) [12:39] then yes...heh [12:39] I think it must be using the wrong encryption or something..... [12:39] I removed everything slackpkg and re-instaleld it, copied my mirrors file back and it's happy again now [12:40] PiterPunk: Ah, that makes sense. [12:40] How does it differentiate between wpa and wpa2? [12:40] twoshot_, thre should be a dropdown in the setting for that connection [12:41] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [12:41] how do we differentiate between web and web 2.0 ? /me wonders ... greatly ;) [12:41] jkwood: makes sense but is giving a lot of reports -:( [12:41] There is, but only wpa passphrase and wpa pre-shared key [12:41] try it [12:41] Nothing about differentiating between wpa and wpa2 [12:41] Action: maddslacker checks [12:42] jg71, open cnn website now and cnn website 10 years ago [12:42] wpa-psk is the way i prefer things. full max keylength tho ;) [12:42] thats the difference =P [12:42] mine says WPA 1/2 passphrase [12:42] That's what mine says too. [12:42] straterra (~straterra@2001:470:8a81::4) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:42] then you're good [12:42] it just knows [12:42] PiterPunk: It was just a minor annoyance for me, I just reran it afterwards. [12:42] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B15A9D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:42] enter your key and enjoy wireless nirvana [12:42] guax: heh, id try prawda, just for the fun of it [12:42] But, if it's fixed in the latest version, I'm satisfied. [12:43] PiterPunk, it was a head scratcher for me, but no big deal now that I fixed it [12:43] I tried using wpa_passphrase and put in the straight hex key too, but it still didn't work. [12:43] hex key? [12:43] for wpa? [12:43] o.0 [12:43] wpa-psk [12:43] preshared key [12:43] i so dont get why people have so many difficulties getting wpa to work. just forget about any gui stuff, just adapt the .conf ... be done with it. [12:44] wpa_supplicant++ [12:44] jg71, that didn't work, but maybe it was because I accidentally took down my wireless with f2 :/ [12:44] ieks [12:45] cmeow (cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:45] Fn + F2 [12:45] not just F2 [12:45] Well, mine is only f2 [12:45] Fn + F2 presses the F2 key [12:45] I wish there was a way to disable FnF2.. it's bloody annoying [12:45] I think you can in the bios [12:46] alphageek, remap the keyboard? [12:46] 'gee, let's disable the touchpad (FnF3).. wups' [12:46] haha [12:47] alphageek: I keep forgetting to disable shutdown on pressing the power button, and invariably press it to bring the computer up when I have it suspended. (Hint: It comes back from suspend when I open the lid.) [12:47] gernd1 (gernd@g226109243.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware. [12:47] wups [12:47] jkwood, LOL I have done that, I ended up changing the behavior cuz I'm too stupid to do it right [12:48] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.101.205.145) joined ##slackware. [12:48] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:48] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] ariarat (~root@94.182.38.232) joined ##slackware. [12:49] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:50] "never suspend" --winston churchill [12:54] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:55] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:56] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [12:56] test [12:56] Am I here? [12:56] nope [12:56] lol [12:57] jg71, who are you talking to? [12:57] the woman behind the counter. [12:57] Action: jg71 is on a pearl jam ride [12:57] I tried connecting with wpa_supplicant in debug mode. The messages seemed to indicate it worked, but I lost all internet, including wired. [12:58] anyoneofus (~anyoneofu@118.71.49.26) joined ##slackware. [12:58] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:58] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:58] do you have full control over the AP, twoshot_ ? if so, disable all encryption just for testing. if that works, then theres some borg in the config to keel off /wrt encryption [12:59] isn't there a conflict between the wicd daemon and wpa_supplicant ? [12:59] no, wicd will *use* wpa_supplicant [12:59] im talking straight stuff here. nothing else but wpa_supplicant [13:00] thaks :) [13:00] +n [13:00] I shut off wicd before I used wpa_supplicant [13:00] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.101.205.145) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:00] jg71, it shouldn't have the ability to disturb anything :( sure it's not your network? [13:00] jg71, Sadly, no. It's my dad's. And I highly doubt he'll do anything, including unhiding the essid. [13:01] I'm able to connect with wicd to a nearby network with no encryption though. [13:01] narf. ok. you dont need essid. bssid in wpa_supplicant.conf, twoshot_ [13:01] Are you telling me to set the bssid in wpa_supplicant.conf jg71? [13:02] twoshot_: you can but i doubt thats the culprit. was just for info that you can limit the connect foo to one single AP. [13:02] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:03] k' [13:03] k* [13:03] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:208:21a:80ff:fee1:9f75) joined ##slackware. [13:03] thing is ... you can test all things you want now, it would help greatly if you knew the details of the AP setup [13:03] xsamurai (~jamonyou@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [13:03] heh, on that note, I have an Intel 5300 wifi caed, and I upgraded my router with dd-wrt..now I can connect to any wifi BUT mine [13:04] turns out it's a known issue with my card [13:04] yeah. im an intel victim myself. dont bring that topic up ;) [13:04] they used to be the best [13:05] but broadcom caught up [13:05] yeah, what happened on the way to heaven.... [13:05] What details do you need about the AP setup, jg71? [13:06] you need them. all i can do is point you to the manpage, cos im sitting at my desktop and dont have access to the company laptop where all the wpa_supplicant configs are [13:06] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:06] Well any information I need about the AP I can ask my dad.. [13:07] I know it uses TKIP, and is a wpa2 with a hidden essid. [13:07] And I know the password. [13:07] f.e. ive had the case where rekey interval in the AP setup was the culprit. but this is unlikely in your case so ... needle haystack from my point of view. [13:07] ah [13:08] Well I've connected with this computer with ubuntu to this AP before. [13:08] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:08] so go get the ubuntu config and use it for your slack setup [13:09] (too easy, eh?) ;) [13:09] The ubuntu setup is two hard drives ago :). [13:10] rworkman: Consider it done. thx again [13:10] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:11] jg71, If I were to setup my connection manually, what files would I need? Only wpa_supplicant.conf? [13:12] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:13] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [13:13] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-80-37.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [13:13] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [13:14] _marc` (~marc@i577B6E72.versanet.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:14] twoshot_: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf & /etc/wpa_supplicant.con [13:14] +f [13:14] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:16] Why does trying to connect with wpa_supplicant kill my wired network as well? [13:16] it shouldn't. which commands are you executing, exactly? [13:17] The debug one in the manpage of wpa_supplicant [13:17] ... which is? [13:17] just try something like "wpa_supplicant -B -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf" or so [13:18] anyoneofus (anyoneofu@118.71.49.26) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:18] anyoneofus (~anyoneofu@118.71.49.26) joined ##slackware. [13:19] wpa_supplicant -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -iwlan0 -d [13:20] |Slacker| (~cris@189.117.99.235) joined ##slackware. [13:22] Oh it was me killing wicd that got rid of my wired. [13:22] maddslacker (corey@63-227-0-51.hlrn.qwest.net) left ##slackware ("bye"). [13:22] I ran /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 but it's getting an EOF error while parsing rc.inet1.conf :/ [13:23] pastebin rc.inet1.conf - my bet is a dropped/mismatched quote [13:24] so, your new question was "why did killing wicd kill my connection?" o__O [13:24] this is why, when asked "what commands did you actually execute," something like "I killed wicd" would be quicker [13:24] lol, well I killed wicd. [13:25] ariarat (root@94.182.38.232) left ##slackware. [13:25] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:25] ariarat (~root@94.182.38.232) joined ##slackware. [13:25] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [13:25] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:208:21a:80ff:fee1:9f75) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:25] how do I copy all the lines in vi? [13:26] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-80-37.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [13:27] you cna go to the first line, and then press yG [13:29] http://pastebin.com/gryzyKcs [13:29] ut, I did that, but it didn't let me paste it anywhere else :/ [13:30] that's different. you've got more than one clipboard in slackware, and vi's yank and put, or whatever they're called, are separate from those. [13:30] qneo (~knao@adsl-dyn74.91-127-163.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [13:30] you'll need to use the mouse and whatever terminal you're using [13:30] ah ok [13:30] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [13:31] ariarat (root@94.182.38.232) left ##slackware. [13:31] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [13:33] twoshot_: hold shift when selecting and pasting with the mouse [13:34] xsamurai, k [13:34] That pastebin was my rc.inet1.conf btw. [13:35] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:35] that last link was blank [13:35] Axius (~fd@92.84.1.145) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:36] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [13:36] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:37] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:38] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B15A9D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:38] alisonken1home, it works for me.. [13:38] Try it again, http://pastebin.com/gryzyKcs [13:39] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:40] twoshot_, " - Unknown paste ID, it may have expired or been deleted!" http://pastebin.com/gryzyKcs [13:40] "THE SITE IS IN READ-ONLY MODE AS WE ARE CURRENTLY MOVING HOSTER, SOME PASTES MIGHT BE MISSING FOR A FEW HOURS!" [13:41] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:41] Yeah I saw that. I thought it would work for y'all since I refreshed the page and it was there. [13:41] I'll pastebin it again [13:41] that was probably your cache that was pulled up [13:41] I usually use pastebin.ca [13:42] http://pastebin.com/4vg8uKFx [13:42] true. [13:43] same thing [13:43] I'll try pastebin.ca if this doesn't work [13:43] damn [13:43] k I'll do it with ca [13:44] ca isn't loading :/ [13:44] twoshot_: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/ ;) [13:44] straterra (~straterra@2001:470:8a81::4) joined ##slackware. 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[13:51] I get this http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/8oVuCa96.html when I run rc.inet1 now [13:51] The-spiki (~spiki@linette.scnet.rs) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:51] I can pastebin the wpa_supplicant.conf if that's needed. [13:51] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:52] twoshot_, "removed" is not a valid wpapsk2 key apparently [13:52] sorry - WLAN_ESSID[4]=removed is not a valid ID to use [13:52] slackware01 (~LHS-00948@205.223.222.12) joined ##slackware. [13:53] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:53] something about missing quotes would be my guess on line 59 and 60 [13:53] k [13:53] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:53] slackware01 (~LHS-00948@205.223.222.12) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:53] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:55] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:59] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [13:59] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [14:02] BrunoRusso (~brunoruss@200.162.45.6) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:02] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:03] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:04] I get this when I run rc.inet1 now http://stikked.com/view/97612524 [14:04] I fixed the invalid problem by removing the bssid line [14:04] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [14:04] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:06] do you mean "essid" when you continually type bssid, or? [14:06] No, I put bssid in the wpa_supplicant file like 20 minutes ago. [14:06] fjunis_ (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [14:07] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:07] mm, nevermind, I don't have time to help really [14:07] haha, k [14:08] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:08] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:08] for line 59 try "WLAN_ESSID[4]="Any" [14:08] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [14:09] k [14:09] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B15A9D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:10] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-6-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:10] Is the DHCP ip address supposed to be the router's ip? [14:10] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:10] if you use dhcp, that info comes from the dhcp server [14:10] nvision (~nvision@e179137142.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:10] as well as your ip [14:10] Can someone tell me some good mailing list for use with slrn? [14:11] Atters (~chatzilla@216.81.156.209) joined ##slackware. [14:11] Ok I'm only going to set the dhcp hostname then [14:11] don't [14:11] ok I won't [14:11] that's if the dhcp server requires it [14:12] for normal home routers, all you need is your computer to bleet dhcpd requests [14:13] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:13] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:14] Guest29845 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [14:14] Ok, I ran rc.inet1.conf successfully, I think [14:14] BrunoRusso (~brunoruss@200.162.45.6) joined ##slackware. [14:15] gave me: Polling for DHCP server on interface wlan0: [14:15] And then quit [14:15] after a few seconds [14:15] internet was down for a few seconds, I ran wpa_supplicant (which appeared to fail), and then internet came back up [14:15] Not sure whether it's just wired though [14:15] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-64-22.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:16] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:16] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-64-22.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:16] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [14:17] Well, it's not wireless. ifconfig shows that wlan0 isn't even up. [14:17] Ok, correct me if I'm wrong. I think this is what happened. rc.inet1 put up my wired network, and wpa_supplicant failed so my wireless isn't working.. [14:18] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:19] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.115.218.116) joined ##slackware. [14:19] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:20] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-44-189.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [14:22] Have you entered the proper wifi credentials and info into /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf? You can also specify the adapter you want inet1 to bring up by doing a ./rc.inet1 start_wlan0 or similar. [14:22] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [14:24] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@unaffiliated/raph0x88) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:24] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:25] twoshot_: ... also, i never bother with distribution scripts much /wrt network. rc.local is where i brew my own stuff. helps both when switching distros and documenting stuff learnt adapting the own system. plus, backups favor a single file over a frenzy any time. /me goes back to woodford reserve :) [14:27] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [14:27] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:27] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [14:29] Atters, I think so. I didn't run start_wlan0 though [14:29] Perhpas I should do that. [14:29] jg71 what's /wrt [14:29] tavl (~tavl@189.70.177.84) joined ##slackware. [14:30] Lexus45 (~alexey@95.129.162.218) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [14:31] I ran start_wlan0 and it timed out while polling for a dhcp server [14:31] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [14:31] Then my guess would be that your WPA info is not correct. Put some quotes around your passphrase in wpa_supplicant.conf and try again. [14:32] Lexus45 (~alexey@95.129.162.218) joined ##slackware. [14:32] I have quotes around my passphrase already. [14:34] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:35] twoshot_: with regard to [14:35] ah ok [14:35] one of the many acronyms the AAAAA has patented [14:36] AAAAA = american association against acronym abuse ;) [14:36] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:36] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:36] haha [14:36] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@c906e99a.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:36] I'll check them out next time I don't know an acronym [14:36] slackware01 (~root@fl-67-232-248-18.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [14:36] How do you do it in rc.local? [14:36] try urbandictionary first ... way better results ;) [14:37] just by invoking the commands the network scripts invoke themselves. [14:37] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@c906e99a.virtua.com.br) left irc: Changing host [14:37] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@unaffiliated/raph0x88) joined ##slackware. [14:37] f.e. ifconfig, modprobe, route, dhcpcd, ... depends [14:37] You Are Free To Chose. [14:38] hello again #slackware . when slackware shuts down expectedly, it tells me on restart and preforms a fsck. well, how would i skip the fsck? it likes to loop over and over [14:38] jg71: Check Encylopedia Dramatica - it's the next level of better results ;) [14:38] jg71: but be warned, many a goatse on that site :/ [14:38] that, as well [14:39] doex1 (root@86.81.102.210) left ##slackware. [14:39] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:39] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:40] tl;dr: skipping the fsck on load ? [14:40] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [14:40] I don't think I know enough about networks to trust myself with doing it in rc.local [14:40] slackware01: are you _sure_ that's what you want? [14:40] ok. have you consulted the slackbook, twoshot_ ? [14:40] yes [14:41] eddief (~eddief@cpe-67-247-24-129.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:41] is there any keystroke to skip it maybe [14:41] For doing it in rc.local? [14:41] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B15A9D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:41] I've looked at the slackbook. Can't remember why I left it. [14:41] no. since you prefer the classical approach, slackbook would be the next best thing to point you to [14:42] I'll look at slackbook again [14:42] Running start_wlan0 is not showing any output anymore :/ [14:43] slackware01: That is to say, doesn't it seem odd that fsck is happening when you start? [14:43] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:43] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.115.218.116) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:43] slackware01: (hint: consider a rescue cd and hunt down possible hardware failures) [14:44] Nick change: trhodes_ -> trhodes [14:44] hah, maybe running slackware 13 on a netbook causes hardware problems? [14:45] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [14:45] axius_ (axius@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-hozwcikfxrpgkpbv) joined ##slackware. [14:45] not at all [14:45] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-107.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:45] Nick change: axius_ -> aigoo [14:45] regardless, it loops and doesnt give me a chance to use any command [14:45] hello [14:45] Slack 13 on acer aspire one, even with the garbage AR5007 card [14:46] slackware01: Does it give you any reason it keeps looping? Error messages, anything like that? [14:46] lol how did you know i was on an aa1 [14:46] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-20.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:46] lmao no clue, I have one myself :D [14:47] how do you guys like them? [14:47] It goes through the problems, then finalizes with lots of problems and does not let me log in eventually, just restarts [14:47] Does this seem like a good reason to skip fsck? [14:47] well, Atters, how do you like yours? [14:48] mine is a 1st gen aao, and runs very well. [14:48] yes, because installed slackware, shut it down once unexpectedly, and once it booted up it had thousands of errors [14:49] logically i just said yes to everything, and bam, filesystem is corrupt [14:49] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:49] I wouldn't want to do a kernel recompile on it, but for netbookin it up, I have no complaints [14:49] (as far as the yes to everything, i didnt have much choice, it only said FIX THIS ERROR y/n) [14:49] fjunis_ (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:49] Atters: same here ^^ [14:49] tavl (~tavl@189.70.177.84) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:50] im surprised your aa1 doesnt have any of these problems [14:50] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:51] any unexpected shutdown and it gets stuck in an endless fsck loop :\ [14:51] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [14:51] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [14:51] I guess it depends on the class of your other machines in the lan. my netbook is part of my distcc cluster :) [14:52] only 3 machines, but it's (speedwise) #2. athlon xp-m 2400+, atom n450 1.66ghz, smp p3/500 oc'd 560. kinda pathetic, really [14:53] slackware01: Is it on ext4 ? [14:53] ext2 [14:53] & I find that corruption issue.. odd. I haven't had problems here, but I use ext4 [14:54] i read a tutorial that said to "ONLY USE EXT2" with netbooks [14:54] i dont see why this was tho, i used to run Ubuntu on my ssd on ext3 [14:55] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [14:55] non-journaling fs... not an awesome idea for a netbook. I went reiser on the netbook the first time, and ext4 most recently. No problems either time. [14:56] if your netbook uses a solid state drive, probably best not to use a journalled fs. the journal would concentrate writes to one particular segment of the device & prematurely wear it down [14:56] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.45.79) joined ##slackware. [14:56] if you're using a spinning disk, otoh, use whatever you want [14:56] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:56] Yes, journaling will majorly decrease the lifetime of solid state or flash-based drives in a netbook. [14:57] most ssds do wear leveling in hardware, though [14:57] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:57] and good ssds should last more than, say, the power supply [14:57] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [14:58] yeah, they do.. the whole write-cycles thing is an artifact from the really early flash drives that didn't do leveling [14:58] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B15A9D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:58] huh i havent gotten into the differences b/t ext2-ext4. i havent used linux that long and i enjoy it, but i havent gotten into any of the fundamentals [14:58] To be fair, most of the ssds in netbooks are pretty horrid anyway... [14:58] really? [14:59] linux fundamentalist? [14:59] from what I've heard intel is still the only guys who make decent ones [14:59] Pat created Slackware 6000 years ago. shut up. [14:59] rab13s: ha what i mean is, knowing the os in and out [14:59] there's ocz too, and a few others [15:00] slackware01: I hear you, im trying to become a fundamentalist as well =] [15:00] Nick change: spook_ -> spook [15:00] slackware01: I assume you haven't put anything on the netbook that you'll miss. that said, probably simpler to wipe & start over, but using a more modern filesystem [15:00] 30mb/s read on some of the earlier netbook ssds... yech [15:01] Well... my key seems to be an invalid argument [15:01] alphageek: No, ext2 is the right choice, as was mentioned above. The big difference between ext2 & ext3 is the journal (which iirc can be added/removed on the fly). [15:01] slackware01: ^ [15:01] I tried iwconfig wlan0 key XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX and it failed [15:01] But, I do agree with alphageek's statement that you'll likely want to toss it and start from scratch if possible. [15:01] Anybody know why that would be invalid? [15:01] that key's for wep, iirc. [15:02] ok [15:02] oh, missed the part where he said he was actually using an SSD [15:02] Action: alphageek hugs his netbook's 250GB hd :) [15:02] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:02] 250gb? [15:02] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.45.79) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:02] yep [15:02] the whole wear-leveling argument against journals is moot nowadays. what else? [15:02] i thought it was 150 or 180 [15:03] i would have gotten the 250 instead of the 8gb ssd if i knew that :o [15:03] ut, Oh... [15:03] # fdisk -l /dev/sda | grep GB [15:03] Disk /dev/sda: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes [15:03] what is iirc/ [15:03] rahul_ (~rahul@p54AA720E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:03] ? [15:03] twoshot_: "if I recall correctly" [15:03] wow [15:03] k [15:03] do an ifconfig wlan0 down, ifconfig wlan0 up, wpa_supplicant -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf, dhcpd wlan0 [15:03] anyone using google earth successfully on slackware64-current [15:04] Action: ut hasn't been on wireless on slackware lately [15:04] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:04] slackware01: it's a rather new model. came out in the past few months.. asus eeepc 1001p [15:04] Atters: dhcpcd <- important difference [15:04] don't you have to pass your passphrase to somethign to get the key to put in wpa_supplicant.conf? [15:04] rahul_: with alienBOB's multilib yes [15:04] alphageek: the one with the new touchpad? [15:04] You are correct eviljames, ty [15:04] yep [15:04] rahul_: Up and running, but I have multilib. [15:04] Atters: I knew it was a typo, but figured worth mentioning [15:04] so, ext2 is best for SSD? [15:04] pupit: That's the conventional wisdom, anyhow. [15:05] how do i add alienBOB's multilib to slackpkg repo, chopp? [15:05] I've set it up to do all sorts of touchy fun with synclient. it can do everything but 3 finger gestures (2 finger only) [15:05] alphageek: tbh, i got it for the price. you cant beat $200 for a netbook with a webcam 8gb ssd 2gb ram and an atom processor [15:05] nice [15:05] tuxdev: what's made the wear-leveling / journals argument moot? [15:05] which size battery, slackware01 ? [15:05] eviljames: good, cause i have an eeepc with ext4 [15:05] Atters, the wpa_supplicant is failing [15:05] runs for 3hrs [15:05] im hoping to get a 9 cell off ebay [15:05] ut, I used wpa_passphrase to get the key [15:05] the go for about 30 dollars [15:06] What's it spitting back to you twoshot? [15:06] rahul_: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib [15:06] yeah, mine was $408 with taxes. atom n450 (32/64 bit goodness), 1gb ram, 250gb hd, 0.3mp webcam, stereo mics, etc etc [15:06] that sounds about right to me. [15:06] eviljames, because with wear-leveling, the fact that the journal gets written to the same logical block doesn't mean that it gets written to the same physical block [15:06] for some reason, Sams sold it cheaper than newegg or tigerdirect lol [15:06] I'd been saving up for over a year. every time I decided on something, manufacturers came out with stuff even more shiny :) [15:07] ya thats how it is [15:07] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:07] rahul_ (rahul@p54AA720E.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware. [15:07] I fully realize in a year I'll be wishing I waited. such is life [15:07] haha [15:08] intel's coming out with proper dual cores in netbooks in a few months. now that'd be fun to play with [15:08] tuxdev: are the majority of SSDs doing proper wear levelling? [15:08] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-64-22.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:08] oh ya i heard about that [15:08] Action: eviljames hasn't been following the SSD thing at all. [15:08] have you seen the CES laptop with the transparent led display [15:09] completely see through monitor [15:09] i want to take that apart, throw a touchscreen on it, and walk around like someone from avatar :p [15:09] one thing I find rather ironic. my netbook has (depending on what it's doing) something between 2/3rds to 3/4ths the raw processing power of my desktop [15:09] yet [15:09] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [15:10] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:10] ya, and most of the time we dont use all of it [15:10] ALVAN (~galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:10] unless we are running slackware :p [15:10] ugh, ok I want to reset this completely. Where can I get default rc.inet1.conf, wpa_supplicant.conf and everything else files [15:10] I downloaded a rather incredibly high def .mov clip a couple weeks ago. my desktop can barely play it (100% cpu, stutters, yadda yadda) & the netbook can play it back perfectly while only using ~80% cpu [15:11] needless to say, I lol'd [15:11] well, this may be just me, but have you noticed the aa1 lags a bit before anything happens ? [15:11] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [15:11] like, when you start a calculator, it sits for about 15 secs then fires it up ? [15:11] alphageek: heheh so many variables in the equation of why that is, who even knows where to start :P [15:11] I don't notice that on the eeepc. no aa1 here, sorry [15:11] alphageek: chances it's h.264 and your desktop isn't decoding it in graphics hardware? [15:11] oh i see [15:11] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:12] slackware01: Pretty much same response as I just gave to alphageek [15:12] likely [15:12] anyway, it seems like twoshot_ needs some help. thanks for the help everyone [15:12] slackware01: Perhaps high load, perhaps loading shared objects, perhaps slow disk, perhaps ... etc. [15:12] :P. thanks slackware01 [15:12] heh NEXT! [15:12] v4nelle (~van@79.107.196.122) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:12] haha, alrite [15:13] slackware01 (~root@fl-67-232-248-18.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Quit: thanks [15:13] twoshot_: Looks like it's your turn. I haven't been following, but is there a particular reason you are avoiding wicd? [15:13] Yeah. It doesn't work :D. [15:13] There's a number of things it was doing. [15:13] miro slackbuild is outdated -_- [15:13] Couldn't obtain ip address yesterday, today it was a bad pass. [15:13] I've tried multiple versions but none of them work [15:13] it's version 2.5.3, current version is 3.0.1 [15:13] rather surprised me, though.. athlon xp-m 2400+ & nvidia geforce 6600/gt vs intel atom n450 & intel 3150 [15:14] twoshot_: How odd. I have been using wicd for quite a while on my laptop, works like a charm. [15:14] twoshot_: you've added your user to the netdev group, set all the settings as they should be? [15:14] alphageek, why is that surprising? atom has some decent power, and the xp should be layed to rest :> [15:14] added +x to rc.wicd, and started the service? [15:14] heh [15:14] I've added my user in the netdev group [15:14] I started rc.wicd as root [15:14] set which settings? [15:15] The obvious ones. PSK etc. [15:15] in wicd yes [15:15] but i've tampered with rc.inet1.conf and wpa_supplicant.conf [15:15] ahh. All wicd is supposed to do is run the shell commands for you.. [15:15] restore those 2 files to their absolute original form [15:16] I'm trying. [15:16] (using the right driver?) [15:16] alphageek, where can I find default files for them? [15:16] reinstall the network-scripts or something package [15:16] 1 sec [15:16] ang, yes I'm pretty sure. I was able to connect to an unsecured nearby network. [15:16] that will plop an rc.inet1.conf.new in your /etc/rc.d/ [15:16] alphageek, k [15:17] thrice`, I tried, but I couldn't find the package anywhere [15:17] twoshot_: assuming slackware 13.0 32 bit, slackware/n/network-scripts-13.0-noarch-2.txz for etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf.new [15:17] 64 bit [15:17] 13 or current [15:17] o___O [15:17] 13.0 [15:17] use your imagination :p [15:17] haha [15:17] slackware64/n/network-scripts-13.0-noarch-2.txz etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf.new [15:18] slackware64/n/wpa_supplicant-0.6.9-x86_64-2.txz etc/wpa_supplicant.conf.new [15:18] alphageek, I'm confused. [15:18] twoshot_, slackware.com/getslack, choose a mirror, navigate to + download the package, and upgradepkg --reinstall on it [15:18] Are you telling me to download those two archives? [15:18] OR, if you use slackpkg, 'slackpkg reinstall network-scripts" [15:18] just rip those 2 package apart manually in a temp directory, then copy the *.new files over to where they belong (removing the '.new' extension while you're at it) [15:19] or that. all of the above [15:19] there are many ways to get this done. pick whichever feels easiest [15:19] alphageek: you're going to be he resident wifi guru shortly :) [15:19] good god, no [15:19] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:20] I am something of an expert at unfucking my own systems, though. hence the steps I detailed above :) [15:20] Ok, every time I try to use slackpkg, it can't find the package. I'm ready to kill it. [15:20] hehe [15:20] twoshot_, did you choose a mirror and 'slackpkg update' ? [15:20] Nick change: Axius -> aigoo1 [15:20] nope [15:20] ( read, did you read the fucking manual? ) [15:20] haha [15:20] haha, no I guess not. [15:21] I miss a few manuals here and there. [15:21] twoshot_: what card? ndiswrapper or native? [15:21] intel wifi link 5100 [15:21] not sure about the second question [15:22] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [15:22] assuming you have the dvd, just pull the files from there [15:22] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [15:22] alphageek, yeah I'll do that. [15:23] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:23] ang: for added fun, I've long since put into place some anti-footshooting stuff here. full system backups every 12 hours [15:23] 00:00 set goes to 1 machine, 12:00 set goes to another [15:23] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:23] I can quite literally lose _any_ machine on the lan & only lose up to a maximum of 24 hours work [15:24] rsync & hardlinks ftw! [15:24] v4nelle (~van@79.107.196.122) joined ##slackware. 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[15:25] eviljames: yeah, rsync's funky with trailing '/' depending how you use it [15:25] ouch [15:26] '--dry-run' is your friend :) [15:26] nice [15:26] alphageek: I don't think it's funky. trailing / means "sync the contents of this folder". w/o trailing / it means "sync this folder" [15:26] one thing I've never liked about rsync is that it behaves differently re trailing '/' depending if you're referring to the toplevel module name or a subdirectory [15:26] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [15:26] i'm not quite that diligent with my backups...i have pictures of my son backup up in triplicate, and i rdiff-backup my VPS each nght [15:27] my solution, such as it is, is to always put trailing /'s on both source & destination [15:27] alphageek: I generally do something like $ rsync chimera:/home/eviljames/Pictures . [15:27] alphageek: but toss in a trailing / and add a delete flag, and you've got srs biznss [15:27] you should see some of the scariness I use for mirroring slack [15:27] ...other than the mirror-slack.sh script? [15:28] fjunis_ (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [15:28] I can't mount the dvd :/ [15:28] rsync -aHPSv --delete --include /slackware-foo --include /slackware-bar --exclude '/*' rsync://host/slackware/ /local/path/to/slackware/ [15:29] aigoo1 (~fd@92.82.91.216) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:29] Nick0 (~Nick0@ip-173-61-179-93.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [15:29] that's when I grab everything at once. I've started using a 'loop through each tree' method lately [15:29] Axius (~fd@92.82.91.216) joined ##slackware. [15:29] which uses --link-dest to massively cut down on traffic [15:30] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [15:31] case in point: the somewhat recent kde update in -current [15:32] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:32] given that I run a mirror on a residential adsl connection, I didn't want to take forever downloading current 32 & current 64 [15:32] packages differ, obviously, but the sources are identical. there's close to a gig of similarity right there [15:32] so, 2 runs [15:33] --link-dest /slackware64-current --include /slackware-current --exclude '/*' [15:33] fjunis_ (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:33] --link-dest /slackware-current --include /slackware64-current --exclude '/*' [15:33] poof. massive over-the-wire savings [15:33] what, you don't mirror 2390 and armedlack too? :) [15:33] alphageek: alternatively, $ rsync -azPv --delete [source-mirror]/slackware-current . ... $ rsync -azPv --delete --exclude="source/" [source-mirror]/slackware64-current . [15:33] s390* [15:34] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:34] alphageek: Off the top of my head, those should work fine. I don't know that there's a lot of need for much more wizardry... [15:34] eviljames: that would require manual intervention to get the sources in the 64 tree cleaned up [15:34] for the 64 tree, it is excluding the sources [15:35] yeah. I have a complete (pronounced 'complete') mirror of everything from 8.1 & up here [15:35] cool, I'm gonna start leeching from you [15:35] alphageek: wow. [15:35] :P [15:36] I directly feed 2 hidden mirrors & I haven't a clue how many public ones (either directly or indirectly through the hidden ones) [15:36] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:36] Holy SHIT [15:36] sorry [15:37] HOLY CRAP! what happened? [15:37] thumbs: wow? [15:37] I curlftpfs'd one of my ftp accounts and it says in df -ah that its 7.5T [15:37] alphageek: I don't know why you'd keep the 8.1 tree around anymore. [15:37] um, that's sorta wrong [15:37] fatalnix: Cool, that's almost as big as my home storage array! [15:37] ;) [15:37] lol [15:37] thumbs: it's still seeing updates (though rare), so I mirror it [15:38] I just bought a 250 G hard disk [15:38] its the biggest disk I've ever had [15:38] Best $35 you ever spent? [15:38] 45 [15:38] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:38] heheh [15:38] well, I'll never use it [15:38] for $5 more you could've gotten 500gb [15:38] I have a 100 in my desktop and I've never used it all [15:38] http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=36050&vpn=ST3500418AS&manufacture=Seagate&promoid=1114 [15:38] yeah but after shipping itd be more [15:38] I bet that's probably not the news you wanted to hear :P [15:39] I count 92GB for 8.1 to current [15:39] this 250 was 45 with shipping and all I think [15:39] 105GB without hardlinks [15:39] I dunno, I have no need for more than 100 really [15:39] but it was like a few cents more to get a 250 instead of a 160 [15:39] I used to say that with my 320GB PATA drive [15:39] yeah, I used to say that about my 500gb drives [15:40] Usually when I run out of disk space its because I need to erase my directory full of source code. [15:40] ...definitely running out of space now. [15:40] then I bought a 1TB SATA & filled it to overflowing in about a month :) [15:40] /dev/sdb1 466G 344G 122G 74% /home [15:40] I don't really know what takes up so much goddamn space hahahah [15:40] Ok guys, I have to get ready for work. I'll be back in five hours. [15:40] I dunno [15:40] but I like to conserve it [15:40] mind you, most of that crap is gone now. I had kept a full fs image of my netbook's 250GB hd for warranty purposes [15:40] you consider, every character quires 8 bytes. [15:41] but have you ever made a 1 MB file in notepad as a kid? its so HUGE [15:41] unless you're saving pictures of the window and everything in memory, you arent going to use that much [15:41] or doing incredible huge SETI calculations or something, who knows [15:42] Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on [15:42] /dev/sda1 917G 315G 603G 35% /data [15:42] mirror, custom packages, assorted docs, porn.. the usual [15:42] you can save a lot of data in 8 bytes. consider that you have space for 64 true and false things with 8 bytes [15:42] 64! [15:42] v4nelle (~van@79.107.196.122) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:42] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:43] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:43] you can match up the bits so that 00 01 10 and 11 mean different things, thats four possibilities with just two bits! [15:43] /dev/hdb1 230G 157G 61G 73% /fileserver [15:43] I managed so save rather a shitload of space with the netbook's hd image. 250GB compressed down to just under 16GB [15:43] and an unused 320gb [15:43] So my question and point here is, when you open notepad, Where did all the memory go? [15:44] Do you see something wrong here? [15:44] take the image, loop mount each partition in turn, append nulls to a unique file until the partition fills, delete file. then I merely gzipped the cleaned up image [15:44] I can understand games using a bunch because images need that kind of space [15:44] and sound and such [15:44] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [15:44] models themselves not so much, depends how complex. [15:44] $ notepad [15:44] bash: notepad: command not found [15:44] ^ sorry, can't help you there [15:44] haha [15:45] ln -s notepad vi [15:45] we all know what Mudding is right? [15:45] hehe [15:46] I looked at a friends computer who has a mud client, a mud client is basicly just an advanced telnet program for text gaming ... well, thats all it really did, there were a few macros and it remembered what you connected to... it used 2 Million bytes of memory. [15:46] oh, forgot.. the disk usage quoted above also contains 7 days worth per machine of 5 machine's full backups. wee? [15:46] 2 Mb. that sounds a bit much. [15:46] Axius (~fd@92.82.91.216) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:46] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:46] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [15:46] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [15:47] no way I'm doing a 'du -hs' on the backup tree, btw. it'd take most of an hour [15:48] last time I checked, though, it was something in the close order of 40GB for 35 sets (5 machines * 7 days) [15:48] again, hardlinks ftw [15:48] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:48] how are oyu using the hardlinks? [15:49] But yeah, this is why I'm like wtf when it comes to much much memory people are using up, and I think its mostly the fact that some things aren't programmed as nicely as they could be in terms of memory management, sure you can make a bunch of ints, etc but I can also understand that it takes a lot of time to make a big program in C or C++ that read individual bits all of the time instead of 8 bits at a time, etc. [15:49] or 32, 16... [15:49] alphageek: I'll race you! I'll do a du -hs on my /home tree (above) and you do one on your backup tree. First one done wins! [15:49] know what I mean? [15:49] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:49] lol @ eviljames [15:49] $ time du -hs [15:49] ang: I do 'server pull' backups (as opposed to 'client push'). this lets me do something like the following [15:50] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:50] i really like rdiff-backup [15:51] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:51] assuming hostnames as host1, host2, host3 & I'm pulling backups from host2, the link-dest stuff would look like this (automatically generated, so I have to extrapolate) [15:51] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. 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[15:54] I've looked at some of the other backup schemes, but they try making me fit their mould. my setup has evolved over the past.. 10 years or so?.. to the state it's in now [15:55] http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ is what got me started. my script no longer resembles it, but credit where it's due [15:56] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:56] guys on thunderbird,i configure my gmail to copy the sent messages on gmail server and not localy.but thunderbird dont save the preferences....why? [15:57] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:57] nice [15:58] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:58] i like the reverse incremental aspect of rdiff-backup, the last backup is always a mirror [15:58] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:58] john_dee (~id@95-29-184-68.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:58] eviljames: [15:58] # time du -hs /data/backup/ ; beep [15:58] 72G /data/backup/ [15:58] Channel flood from alphageek -- kicking [15:58] real 8m4.024s [15:58] user 0m20.032s [15:58] sys 2m11.621s [15:58] alphageek kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [15:59] alphageek (rooot@75-119-230-129.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [15:59] LOL http://qdb.us/297918 [15:59] heh [15:59] rather surprised the backups are that large [15:59] pupit, I LIKE that one :) [15:59] Action: alphageek does a 'du -hsl' to see what it'd be like without hardlinks [15:59] alisonken1home: :) [16:01] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:03] pupit: thats a good one [16:03] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [16:06] is there some point and click software to create dvd videos? [16:06] \o/ Slackware 13.1 :) [16:07] bellman (~bellman@core.routed.com) joined ##slackware. [16:08] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:08] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Changing host [16:08] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [16:08] # time du -hsl /data/backup/ ; beep [16:08] 378G /data/backup/ [16:08] real 8m6.052s [16:08] eviljames: so.. where's yours? :) [16:08] alphageek: hahahahahaha mine finished a while ago, but I started doing other things.. sec I'lltry again :P [16:08] looks like I save a tiny bit of space hardlinking my backups, too [16:08] alphageek: I started mucking about with git and stopped paying attention :P [16:08] fjunis_ (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [16:09] ahh [16:09] pretty spiffy. hardlinked == 19% of the space that would be used not hardlinked [16:10] I'd call that a win [16:10] alphageek: 344G . [16:10] du -hs . 0.77s user 4.59s system 11% cpu 47.020 total [16:10] wow. fast machine/drive [16:10] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.59) joined ##slackware. [16:10] ...too fast. [16:10] That doesn't seem right to me. [16:11] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:11] 10 times faster than alphageek's [16:11] I think my time expectations ('about an hour') were from my old pata drive. this is a sata [16:11] alphageek: Yeah, mine is sata as well. c2d, 4gb ram, 500gb sata2 drive. [16:11] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:12] very nice [16:12] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:13] fjunis_ (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:13] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.59) left irc: Client Quit [16:13] alphageek: Still, to me it seems curiously fast. [16:14] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.59) joined ##slackware. [16:14] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:14] likely cached from your previous run [16:14] [ -r /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches ] && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches [16:15] /usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt < documented there [16:15] Ok, I'm going to give it a try without that [16:16] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) joined ##slackware. [16:18] Now it is taking appropriately long. [16:19] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [16:20] alphageek: 344G /home [16:20] real 1m57.956s [16:20] et voila! [16:20] that sounds somewhat more sane [16:21] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:22] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) joined ##slackware. [16:22] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[16:28] 344GB ... thats not even close to the famous 2.1 TB limit ... tsk tsk tsk @ http://www.thinq.co.uk/news/2010/5/17/exclusive-seagate-confirms-3tb-drive/page-2/ [16:28] i guess you have to reformat, eviljames LOL ;) [16:29] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [16:30] raela (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:32] mass_nerder (~c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/x-wchrylxvkuxdfiiv) left irc: Quit: Page closed [16:33] Nick0 (~Nick0@ip-173-61-179-93.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving! [16:33] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:34] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [16:34] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:35] jg71: my big drives are on opensolaris (zfs ftw) [16:35] No need for me to reformat anything! :P [16:35] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:36] get (~isix-os@unaffiliated/get) joined ##slackware. [16:37] codename_nos (~jimmy@117.198.164.155) joined ##slackware. [16:37] what if i share my ubuntu /home with slackware ? is there problem with that ? [16:38] i m tripple booting windows, slack , ubuntu [16:38] codename_nos: no [16:39] fjunis_ (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [16:39] /home is quite a nice independent partition [16:39] any permission problem ? [16:39] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [16:39] not a superficial problem but programs often store user configs in ~ and different versions of the same prog can have diff config formats [16:39] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:40] that's true, yet I never had any huge problems with that though [16:40] or tell me the way to share any data like my music or files ? but not app [16:40] say you have ff3.0.x on one and ff3.6.x on aother, just an example... [16:40] mancha my cousin told me that !! [16:41] crappy development I'd say :P [16:41] told you what? about configs? [16:41] codename_nos: independent fileserver I'd say : [16:41] mancha ya.. like same app [16:42] you could make /home/$USER/shared-data a separate partition [16:42] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:43] sounds quite linux-only still [16:43] or forget that, make a shared partition and have both ubuntee and slackware mount it to /mnt/shared-stuff [16:43] but how to add path during slack installation ? [16:43] codename_nos: you can do that after the install [16:43] i mean if its only /home then its simple [16:44] codename_nos: even if hypothetically you had the same version of applications, different uid and gid will give permissions issues [16:44] codename_nos: just edit your fstab properly [16:44] if you make that partition ntfs then it'll be windows mountable too [16:44] TriniTuX: never had that on configs to be honest [16:44] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [16:44] TriniTuX: and I played with 10+ distro's on that setup [16:44] codename_nos: Make a section of your hd (say.. 50GB) FAT32, mount it at /data <- shared space between ubuntu, slackware and Windows. [16:44] fjunis_ (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:44] TriniTux thats what i'd mention earlier !! and asked for soultion [16:44] jonsmith1982 (~jon@2.99.83.253) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:44] oh, look ma, an echo! :) [16:44] surrounder: lucky you [16:45] mancha: you said ntfs, which is not as portable! :P [16:45] TriniTuX: no, chown [16:45] it not a big deal [16:45] evilijames thats helpful !! lol [16:45] *it's [16:45] mancha: fat32 can also be used with solaris, bsd, and a whole host of other systems! [16:45] yes but i don't want to chown everything lol [16:45] TriniTuX: That's an important point. [16:45] Atters (chatzilla@216.81.156.209) left ##slackware. [16:45] TriniTuX: you learn how to be consistent with UIDs after awhile [16:46] it's all good... [16:46] many good suggestions, go implement one now :) [16:46] codename_nos: If you're going to share a (ext2/3/4, xfs, btrfs etc) partition between ubuntu and slackware, make sure (at least) your UIDs are the same. [16:46] surrounder: well I'd admit I've not multibooted that amount to test... [16:46] TriniTuX: believe me, the problems aren't huge :) [16:46] rogersman (gr235423@nat/sun/x-uxhyqsxdyyyptlrt) left ##slackware. [16:47] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [16:47] imho a specific /home is always a good idea [16:47] 100% agreed. /home should be on a seperate partition, if not seperate device entirely. [16:47] there's no place like /home [16:47] definitely [16:47] (and it should be XFS) [16:47] surrounder i mean lest say if ubuntu is set to uid: 1000 and gid:200 (or whatever) then setting the same uid and gid to slack can make sence ?? [16:47] still do that all the time, at work i'm fed up with my current distro so I'll replace it, but I won't lose much [16:48] codename_nos: if the users are consistent and don't fuck around with system accounts, why not ? [16:48] codename_nos: Indeed. Permissions, etc. are tracked by UID/GID, not by username/groupname [16:48] my main concern with sharing home is .mozilla and .thunderbird [16:48] codename_nos: /home only holds personal files from the users [16:48] why XFS? [16:48] ut: Why anything else? [16:48] surrounder i m the only fuckin user !!! [16:48] lol [16:48] NTU (~atom@unaffiliated/neo-the-user) joined ##slackware. [16:48] codename_nos: learn unix [16:48] hey guys [16:49] codename_nos easy with the language. there are ladies present... [16:49] Action: ut usually figures ext* is the goto, has no special reason to choose something else [16:49] Yeah, jeev doesn't take kindly to cursing in her presence. [16:49] mancha opps sorry [16:49] oh wait, there's not. go ahead.. [16:49] mancah haha [16:49] NTU: whats up [16:49] mancha how'd u know !? [16:49] ut: for a desktop OS ? why bother :P [16:50] nm. [16:50] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:50] what did i miss ? [16:50] still the same group. Alan_Hicks straterra etc. [16:50] surrounder: I'm not keeping up. What bother are we talking about? [16:50] surrounder i m stuck with slack and u tellin me learn unix !!! haha nice one [16:50] ext3 is solid, ext4 is getting there... [16:50] Action: NTU uses ext2 [16:50] xsamurai a lot !! lol [16:50] codename_nos: yes, I'm hilarious tonight [16:51] ut: XFS handles large(r) files better, has in-built dump/restore, variety of other features... [16:51] ut: At the cost of slightly higher system/mem load [16:51] surrounder haha .. [16:51] codename_nos: UID from the OS can be different across distros, just so you know [16:51] ut: Makes it (imho at least) a decent (if not better) choice for /home [16:51] eviljames: what about xfs + nfs + recent kernel [16:51] surrounder can i set 'em manually ? [16:51] trhodes: what about it? [16:52] fjunis_ (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [16:52] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:52] eviljames: was there a bug ? [16:52] codename_nos: if you know what you are doing...learn unix [16:52] they say you can do anything in linux @!!! [16:52] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [16:52] Action: ut supposes next time he's formatting a /home then... [16:52] surrounder but how ? i mean its not gui right ? and how would i get help >? [16:53] codename_nos: you tell me, you're a slackware guru who knows unix [16:53] surrounder i m not !!! i just installed it 15 days ago ! gosh .. i m not [16:53] trhodes: recently? I dunno... I know there was a bug way back (~ 1 yr ago?) that had to do with race conditions when sharing xfs as nfs [16:53] Action: surrounder pets codename_nos [16:53] c'mon now we were having fun, don't get nasty [16:53] surrounder but i really wanna learn it !! [16:53] codename_nos: don't fiddle around with them too much yet and just enjoy slackware :) [16:54] codename_nos: great linux distro to learn a lot on :) [16:54] yeah and maintain yourself [16:54] its like awesome [16:54] raela (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:54] awesome is bloated! dwm! [16:54] surrounder ya good point thats why i;ve installed it ( thought i dont have clue many times ;) [16:54] :P [16:55] Nick change: xchg -> xchg_brum [16:55] codename_nos: just read the manpages, google for information and you'll learn a lot and feel good about it [16:55] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:56] i like slackware because like... i get to make everything bleeding edge by hand without a package manager overwriting my source changes [16:56] surrounder ya i m tryin really hard but sometimes in emergency the ubuntu wil do some work ,,, its only for that [16:56] codename_nos: that's no shame, if you learn from that...fine! [16:56] of course you don't need to read the _whole_ man page just search within it lol [16:56] surrounder thanx [16:56] fjunis_ (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:56] man | grep [16:56] surrounder which one u use ? [16:56] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:57] man then press "/" [16:57] be careful, you might pick up some bad habits while in ubuntee land... [16:57] yup or just '/searchstring' [16:57] grep > search [16:57] mancha !! i will [16:57] codename_nos: whatever I feel like [16:57] mancah but still like what kinda habit ? [16:57] ok this boring [16:57] nobody is like talking to me [16:57] NTU: Start a flame war then. [16:57] haahha [16:57] surrounder but any main OS ? [16:58] NTU: burn it down! [16:58] in gunna go [16:58] NTU: Just please don't go with the classics. We've all gone through "vim vs. emacs", "Slackware vs. $distro" [16:58] codename_nos: $linux, BSD [16:58] bye all. [16:58] v4nelle (~van@79.107.196.122) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:58] NTU (atom@unaffiliated/neo-the-user) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:58] codename, like burping in public, scratching your balls, and whole host of other embarrasing bad habits [16:58] NTU bye [16:58] mancha !! lol [16:58] umm..he's....gone... [16:59] but seriously ? what kinda [16:59] but more seriously, ubuntu is pop'lar cause it does a lot for you (some say against you). that's why noobs like it but you can also forget you have to do some of things yourself when in slackware... [16:59] flame war topics, hmmmm kde vs my foot (foot wins) [16:59] the tight clothes and emo haircut are the hardest part of ubuntu to get rid of [16:59] hahahaha [16:59] codename_nos: all the distros have the same kernels and most of them share the same userland, what does it matter ? [16:59] habits you might pick up from ubutnu land: Expecting the OS to hand-hold you, not reading documentation, believing everything you read from the community, expecting GUI configuration tools for _everything_ [16:59] rab13s++ [17:00] Action: TriniTuX has been reassigned to _temp-human-dishwasher_ due to power outage, brb [17:00] Action: NightTiger loves questions with no actual answers. They make life interesting... in the Chinese "May you live in interesting times!" sense... [17:00] xsamurai i like foot though [17:00] eddie_grey (~e@187.23.103.41) left irc: [17:00] xsamurai: atleast your incontrol of your foot [17:00] those are rhetorical questions [17:01] that is so true...this is not a comment about the actual ubuntu distrib but the ubuntu user forums are the worst sources of information in the world... [17:01] surrounder right ! but still at some point the stability does .. lol [17:01] and for some reason, they are always ranked high on the google searches :( [17:01] mancha: the blind leading the blind. [17:01] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-162.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:01] my foots not bloated either [17:01] codename_nos: does it matter on your desktop that much ? [17:01] my foots not trying to replicate windows [17:01] haha [17:01] codename_nos: uptime that holy ? [17:01] mancha !! i always wonder that !! [17:01] xsamurai: I believe you mean "Windows isn't trying to replicate my foot" [17:01] and further, kde isn't bloated, your machine just sucks. [17:02] xsamurai gnome !? [17:02] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [17:02] eviljames: lol [17:02] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: gone [17:02] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) joined ##slackware. [17:02] the latest definition update of clamav successfully removes kde :) [17:02] eviljames: sorry "james who is evil" kde is windows rip off [17:02] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [17:02] whats good for you kde or gnome while using slack ? [17:02] fluxbox [17:02] codename_nos: gnome isn't officialy supported [17:02] kde is my favorite DE. [17:03] NightTiger (~derekm@2001:470:1d:e4:216:17ff:fe3b:21d0) left irc: Quit: NightTiger [17:03] but ... as much as I am loathe to say this... I think I'm going to make a set of gnome packages and ... ugh... use it for 30 days straight. [17:03] eviljames i dont like kde that much ! [17:03] i never did but i have grown fond of gnome's little brother: xfce, i say that because a lot of the code is gnome's. [17:03] time for some beer [17:03] bbl [17:03] enjoy it [17:03] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:03] surrounder: you make me jealous. [17:03] im outa work now bbl [17:03] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:04] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:04] mancha so how did it worked ? [17:04] rab13s (micemicer@core.routed.com) left ##slackware. [17:04] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: @rnsanches [17:04] if you want just window management, though, fvwm is nice. [17:04] i mean the xfce ? [17:04] qneo (knao@adsl-dyn74.91-127-163.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [17:04] eviljames: aw. the schily mode. i get it. just dont mention it on The H. ;) [17:04] xfce satisfies all my desktop needs code. i don't feel like i am missing anything. [17:04] jg71: *woosh* [17:04] jg71: That was the sound of your last statement whipping over my head [17:05] mancha but what do you prefer ? kde or gnome (xfce ) too [17:05] over here opensolaris is strongly connected to joeg schily. cdrecord madness. if you remember. [17:05] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:05] *joerg [17:05] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [17:05] codename, i like xfce and gnome. i don't like kde. [17:05] dont mention its name here "opensolaris" [17:05] mancha me too [17:05] another thing that makes my nuts itch [17:06] mancha its slow .. ?!! [17:06] what is slow? [17:06] jg71: No, don't recall offhand.. [17:06] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:06] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:06] eviljames: dont investigate. just save it for reference. not worth mentioning again ;) [17:06] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:07] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [17:07] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [17:07] mancha i mean i ve installed ubuntu with kde (kubuntu) and ubuntu (gnome) and think the k is slow and confusing [17:07] jg71: done and done [17:07] codename, oh dunno about speed. i just don't like the feel. that's all. [17:07] and just gettin started with slack so think i should install gnome [17:07] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-425183.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [17:08] replay (replay@69.26.207.251) left ##slackware. [17:08] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-425183.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:08] mancha ya i mentioned the "confusing" look too .. lol [17:08] it's all about preferences. some people don't like tight sleeveless fucsia silk shirts, and then there's me. [17:08] cuban pimp look ? [17:08] you know it papi [17:08] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [17:08] whats papi ?? [17:08] ju know it [17:09] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:09] who's ju ? [17:09] lol [17:11] whre 's everyone ?? [17:11] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon149151.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:11] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-jzfxymgenkfvouis) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:11] j0z (~UNIX@189.58.31.237.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:11] j0z (~UNIX@189.58.31.237.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [17:11] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [17:13] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [17:13] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:13] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:15] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Quit: Reversia Media Productions - DeluxeGrrl.com && KeepingYouHonest.com [17:15] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [17:19] so people been using i-can't-believe-it's-not-buttafs (btrfs) in production? I'm especially intersted to hear if people have been having good stability and performance with maildirs and database type of loads. [17:19] hey how to do wireless networkin in slack [17:19] codename_nos: wireless tools and wpa_supplication [17:19] wpa_supplicant [17:19] sorry [17:19] how about wicd [17:20] Much, much, much easier (in general) than CLI tools... but just about as useful as all it does is call out to said tools. [17:20] you can do that too, I just don't remmeber if wicd comes in testing or not [17:20] wicd is in extra/ [17:20] ah [17:20] Also, I can't imagine anyone who cares about their critical data is using btrfs in production. [17:21] It might be in *testing*, but afaik it doesn't even have a working fsck yet [17:21] too bad wicd wasn't written in C [17:21] it's python right? [17:21] Yeah, if only wicd was writtin in some sort of human-readable language, easy for n00bs to understand what was going on... [17:22] yep, python. which i personally don't like much. [17:22] s/like/understand/ [17:22] again with the bashing [17:22] Action: xsamurai tasers python haters [17:22] python has its place, as does C. adrien was mentioning yesterday "using the right tool for the job" [17:23] In the case of wicd, python _is_ the right tool. [17:23] mishehu: who in particular is using btrfs for production ? [17:23] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:23] i cant wait till its out [17:23] i don't see any reason why python is a better tool. [17:23] networkmanager (written in C) outperforms wicd. [17:23] ... [17:23] xsamurai: that's what I'm inquiring about. I've got a system using reiser4 which I'm about 2 seconds away from moving all the data off of it and reformatting the partition as btrfs [17:24] mishehu: its still in testing , i wouldnt put it on a production system [17:24] that's an objective criterion. not an empassioned nothing-opinion from a people's that can't pronounce the letter "O" [17:24] :P~ [17:24] mancha: you surprise me with your hater juice, i suggest you rewrite wicd in C [17:25] let me know how long it takes you btw [17:25] xsamurai: I thought they marked it as stable in the vanilla kernel [17:25] hater juice? all i said is "i don't like [python] much" [17:25] hardly hate talk... [17:25] maybe you have a chip on your shoulder? [17:26] a block more like it [17:26] mishehu: https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Changelog [17:26] I don't like python either. anything that gives such importance to my whitespace is on my dislike list heh [17:26] whatever it is, the problem's on your end dude. all i expressed is my lack of fondness for python. there's meds for conditions like yours these days :) [17:26] still a lot of open issues [17:27] xsamurai: grumble... and here I wanted to dump the already-open-issue of reiser4... [17:27] mancha: remind me to use tags with you [17:27] ok [17:27] i dont take anything seriously =P [17:27] which edward shishkin has never fixed a pretty bad bug that I discovered in reiser4 recently [17:27] hard to know sometimes on irc [17:27] The one where it kills your wife? [17:28] mishehu: ^ [17:28] haha, damn eviljames beat me to it [17:28] xsamurai: great minds and all... [17:28] mancha: true true [17:28] eviljames: only if she cheats on me with another process. [17:28] eviljames: i was thinking sick minds but great works as well [17:28] the newest reiserfs is codenamed "supermaxx" [17:28] this is more like the bug that kills your partition every 30 or so days on average. [17:29] xsamurai: The law: "Great minds think alike" the corollary: "Fools seldom differ." [17:29] makes you take it down and do a full fs rebuild. [17:29] lather, rinse, repeat [17:29] some ppl are using zfs as well on linux with fuse [17:29] never looked into that [17:29] which one is batter ext4 or ext3 [17:29] Action: mishehu gags at FUSE [17:29] xsamurai: or they're using ZFS on BSD w/o any fuse. [17:29] xsamurai: or they're using ZFS on OpenSolaris. [17:29] I'd never use FUSE for a highly utilized partition [17:29] im still wondering whats gonna happen to zfs when opensolaris isnt open anymore [17:29] i hate the lather; rinse; repeat thing, i spent 2 whole days in the shower once cause i was following directions.. [17:29] FUSE is an ugly kludge. [17:29] xsamurai: So, you don't know much about osol, eh? [17:29] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:30] eviljames: i know i dont like it [17:30] xsamurai: QED [17:30] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [17:30] ext3 or ext4 ? [17:30] so are the rumors true? is opensolaris dying? [17:30] i've converted almost all the boxes at work from osol to linux [17:30] mancha: yes and i will have a party when it does [17:30] they even stopped shipping their nice freebie discs [17:31] xsamurai what's in it for for you !! lol [17:31] codename_nos: free beer [17:31] xsamurai why ?? [17:31] lol [17:31] although i plan on switching my fbsd to zfs around 8.1 release [17:31] mancha: Totally false. [17:32] speaking of releases openbsd 4.7 is out tmrw , upgrade time =) [17:32] mancha: afaik, anyhow. (I run an opensolaris user group :P) [17:32] eviljames so its not ture !? [17:32] eddief (~eddief@cpe-67-247-24-129.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:32] *true [17:33] codename_nos: All indications from Oracle are that OpenSolaris isn't going anywhere, that it will be getting more open (that is, increased removal of their closed source bits), and that the communities are intended to grow. [17:33] So, despite what the FUDsters want you to believe, all indications are the opposite. [17:33] BUT, that is offtopic (and belongs at least in ##slackware-offtopic) [17:33] v4nelle (~van@79.107.196.122) joined ##slackware. [17:33] eviljames that sounds good ! [17:34] but i want my free beer !! lol [17:35] is it still there !!!!!!!! [17:35] I wish I got paid for the amount of exclaimation points I see in an average day. [17:35] $0.02 / ! [17:35] you can read the agreement here http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/popup.jsp?info=17 [17:36] huh, guy was in here the other day asking about bitlbee and msn.. apparently, I do have his issue.. I just hadn't disconnected [17:36] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:37] codename_nos (jimmy@117.198.164.155) left ##slackware. [17:37] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:37] xsamurai: Cool, "OpenSolaris" isn't mentioned _anywhere_ on that page. [17:37] xsamurai: Nor is it affected by _anything_ on that page .. that's for Solaris (Solaris != OpenSolaris) [17:38] evil good to hear. why did these rumors start, anyways? [17:38] odd when i click on the download link it goes to opensolaris download page [17:38] as the koreans say , call me klaaaaayjeeee [17:39] xsamurai: I will call you crazy... On the page you linked to, the "get" link sends you to a place where you can acquire Oracle Solaris 10/09 _OR_ you can download OpenSolaris. [17:39] xsamurai: But nowhere on that page that I can find has a download link. [17:39] apologies. "Free web download" <- duh [17:39] But, still, you're conflating. [17:40] now now luke, you must except the way of the force [17:40] mancha: Lots and lots of reasons. Distrust of Oracle, an attempt to weaking Solaris in the data ctr by vested Linux interests, among others. [17:40] play with it, fondle it , call it by pet names [17:41] sounds like a conspiracy to me [17:41] they purchased mysql as well [17:41] Hmm... any thoughts on why the KDE automounter isn't seeing my cd? [17:41] dun dun [17:41] is there a place to dl a full iso or at least access the parts of the iso? [17:41] jkwood: Are you in the right groups? :P [17:41] i use postgresql so no problem there [17:41] mancha: http://opensolaris.org/get [17:42] seems like all i can get is a cd iso for osol and that surely means more dl's afterwards [17:42] plugdev and cdrom, that should be enough I think. [17:42] mancha: The CD is not unlike ubuntu, live CD + installer. Not a ton more downloading. [17:42] IT works for usb drives without problem. [17:42] i don't know ubuntu. but are you telling me that 700MB is enough for the OS? [17:42] mancha: but again, this is o/t and jkwood has an actual issue. [17:43] mancha: come to ##slackware-offtopic and I will fill you in.. [17:43] yes those two groups should be enough [17:43] mancha: use it you'll be pleasantly surprised [17:43] on what it has and what it doesnt [17:43] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [17:44] ok, thanks. [17:46] jkwood: anything in dmesg, etc? [17:46] jkwood: Unreadable disc, errors, stuff along those lines? [17:46] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [17:47] groo (~groo@189-18-102-15.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:47] groo (~groo@189-18-102-15.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:47] Holy heck! Yeah, lots of strange stuff. [17:47] I think you know the drill by now. pastebin buddayyy [17:47] No idea if that was pre-mount or post-mout, though. [17:47] Action: eviljames does his worst pauly shore impression [17:49] you talk the wrong topic... whiskey ;) [17:49] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@c906e99a.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:49] jg71: whiskey... that's for classy folks. I drink straight rye. [17:49] blank cd maybe? [17:50] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:50] Okay, it was just that disk. [17:50] eviljames: good. you leave more of the precious stuff for people like .... who .... like ... get a glass too ;) [17:50] It mounted manually and did its job, so no big. [17:51] Suhana (~vash@host81-158-117-21.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Imma outta here [17:51] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:03] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-43-218.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [18:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-425183.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:04] if i set RUNTIME=no for the ffmpeg slackbuild, does that mean it will do cpu detection at compile time? [18:05] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@c-98-229-60-65.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:06] jonsmith1982 (~jon@2.99.83.253) joined ##slackware. [18:06] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [18:07] rab13s (~micemicer@core.routed.com) joined ##slackware. [18:07] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.181) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:07] don't know if RUNTIME sets --enable-runtime-cpudetect. but if so, that adds code to the ffmpeg binary so it uses cpu-dependent optimizations when you actually run ffmpeg [18:08] does anyone run slackware without X? [18:09] ElitestFX: whats your question ? [18:09] i thought the runtime compile stuff was for mplayer though, not ffmpeg [18:09] I have a very old HP machine [18:09] 64meg RAM [18:09] running slackware 13 [18:10] thats kick ass [18:10] straterra (~straterra@2001:470:8a81::4) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:10] yeah, i have a similar machine with no X [18:10] cool. =) [18:10] what do you use it for? [18:11] hmmmm [18:11] remote downloads / shell [18:11] keeps track of an unoccupied hosue [18:11] *house [18:11] Router / Firewall, http server (maybe), various in-house services (ntp, dns), you could make it your DMZ machine [18:11] straterra (~straterra@2001:470:8a81::4) joined ##slackware. [18:11] the reason it's so crappy is 'cause it could be stolen [18:11] everything is requesting libpng.so.14, but it shouldn't have compiled, knowing that i have libpng.so.12 >.> [18:12] http server: go with lighttpd , apache would die [18:12] Interesting... anyone use it to code? [18:12] dns go with djbdns [18:12] ElitestFX: yeah why not, just dont expect compilation to fly by [18:12] i don't think compiling on a 64mb old machine is the wisest choice :) [18:12] good stuff..i have various old machine as well i want to run as my server [18:13] NickyTheNose (1000@c-68-56-234-169.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:13] try compiling qt4 on a 486 - get back to me in 2016 [18:13] yeah, I was just interested if anyone used a very neat text editor that doesn't use X. [18:13] not as old as urs though [18:13] haha [18:13] hahahahahahah mancha [18:13] HHEELLPP [18:13] NickyTheNose: skip the hand-waving. Just ask careful well-researched questions. [18:13] i think he needs help [18:13] my bits are revolting because they want to be wified!!! [18:13] oops [18:13] wikified [18:13] I tried vi and nano [18:13] is it possible to use use two types of internet connections on the same cable, ie. to use the regular connection from dsl router through switch + too use the wireless connection from the other pc(has an ethernet card and the wifi card is routed to ethernet card serving as a bridge)? hope this is not so messed up question [18:13] When my bitch was molting I just made her an outside dog for a while. [18:13] are there any good ones to develop ruby code with? [18:14] xsamurai i just want to be sure that nothing i write is misidentified as a complaint :) [18:14] ElitestFX: you can use vim [18:14] takeshita_kenji (~takeshita@c-24-19-4-122.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:14] pupit nop, you need to connect proper routers or modems for each "segment" [18:14] pupit: If what you mean is what I think you mean, are you just asking about NAT? [18:14] I heard that's like an improved vi [18:14] So, how do I make a RAID1 array that starts up automatically? [18:15] --auto=yes to mdadm didn't do it. [18:15] eviljames: no [18:15] takeshita_kenji: Have you read the man pages yet? [18:15] Last time I asked, nobody responded. [18:15] --auto=yes to mdadm didn't do it. [18:15] pupit each style of communication needs its own proper hw [18:15] eviljames: i think NickyTheNose understand-ed me [18:15] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-43-218.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:16] eviljames he's axing a hw conf prob [18:16] wiring mostly [18:16] Manpages don't help here. [18:16] ElitestFX: there are scripts for vim+ruby that make programming alot easier [18:16] NickyTheNose: i see, thats what i was thinking [18:16] NickyTheNoise: gotcha. [18:16] k; do you want a restatement? [18:16] Does anyone here have a software RAID array? [18:16] xsamurai: that's good news. I'll check it out. [18:17] eviljames k [18:17] eviljames: everything is properly set up here just my knowledge about tcp/ip is lousy :) [18:17] pupit imagine this: [18:17] ElitestFX: use elinks for browsing [18:17] NickyTheNose: listening [18:17] wall <> (dsl, cable) <> computer <> wifi, serial [18:18] wall > dsl computer [18:18] computer >< cable, wifi [18:18] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:18] IOW, each kind of comm unit has its own connection to puter [18:18] and there can be multiple ifconfig gateways on puter [18:18] /dev/md0 is created at boot, then it says "can't read superblock." Next, it removes /dev/md0 and I have to run mdadm -As to start it and I can mount it. [18:19] takeshita_kenji: What does --auto=yes do? [18:19] non manualality of operation? [18:19] manyouality? [18:19] manwillyality [18:19] heh [18:20] pupit got it? [18:20] NickyTheNose: so, it could work on only one pc with eth+wlan but with some load balancing or similar? [18:20] pupit that being the 2nd infered part of your Q above, the isp must support multiple paths to single IP. [18:20] I'm not entirely sure. [18:21] It says it'll create the device node if needed. [18:21] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:21] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [18:21] pupit load-bal on networking is a dual user-isp job [18:21] both must work together [18:22] It says nothing about the format stored in the partition. [18:22] takeshita_kenji might i suggest a howto? [18:22] takeshita_kenji: mdadm.conf is configured correctly? [18:22] NickyTheNose: i have two ISP-s [18:22] takeshita_kenji or several? :) [18:22] mdadm.conf shouldn't be necessary for autodetection. [18:22] pupit that's quite flexible, are you a sub-isp too? [18:22] pupit: you trying to run some home based hosting ? [18:22] My previous system didn't have it, but I can't remember what I did when creating the array. [18:23] xsamurai DONT STEAL MAH FIRAH!!! :) [18:23] sub-isp? dont know the term [18:23] heh [18:23] minor isp [18:23] like to an apartment building? [18:23] whao, takeshita_kenji dont /notice me :) [18:23] your dsl connection and for a backup connection stealing the neighbors wifi [18:23] xsamurai: no, i just have accesd to two isp-s and i like want to download the movie twice faster via torrent [18:23] howtos are a dime a baker's dozen on google [18:23] pupit one isp per path [18:24] I think I wanted --auto=md. [18:24] NickyTheNose: yeah [18:24] pupit or bittorent [18:24] ahhh [18:24] eth is on dsl and wlan is on near AP which i have access to [18:24] takeshita_kenji Seattle suckith ;) [18:24] that will work if you break the download into chunks [18:24] (boycotting Arizona :) [18:24] lol [18:25] takeshita_kenji you got some dumb people in the council :) [18:25] bahaha [18:25] you cant use both connections as one big connection [18:25] Council? [18:25] xsamurai: i can? :) [18:25] city legislators [18:25] I don't live anywhere near Arizona. [18:25] i know [18:25] If you mean the Seattle area, then you are correct. [18:25] ok ty [18:25] xsamurai: can you point me to some readme? [18:26] pupit tldp.org? [18:26] mtkoan (mtkoan@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-ogtxzsecrofnneok) left irc: Changing host [18:26] mtkoan (mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) joined ##slackware. [18:26] mtkoan (mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) left irc: Changing host [18:26] mtkoan (mtkoan@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-ogtxzsecrofnneok) joined ##slackware. [18:26] more specific to my need please i dont know the terms yet :) [18:27] xsamurai wouldnt that be `multi-hosting'? [18:27] or multipath? [18:27] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) joined ##slackware. [18:27] pupit read the networking howtos, all of em [18:27] I remember back when I used to host a site on my home connection. [18:27] That was weeks ago. [18:27] this is the field of your inquiry [18:28] pupit: search for dual wan router [18:28] lol; a week? [18:28] Well, it was up for years. [18:28] ok [18:28] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-20.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:28] im sure somebodies written a howto [18:28] I shut it off and switched to virtual private hosting. [18:28] xsamurai: thanks i appreciate :) [18:28] or multi wan router [18:28] np pupit [18:29] I even get IPv6 with the Virtual Hosting. [18:29] It's awesome. [18:29] nice [18:29] comcast doesnt do ip6 [18:29] xsamurai: I've been using lynx, but I'll check out elinks as well. It's lovely how vim comes with slackware 13 [18:29] apparently [18:29] ;) [18:29] Hurricane Electric over Comcast works pretty well, though. [18:30] duno that [18:30] I started using it a little while back. [18:30] HE doesnt do vps [18:30] I use vr.org for VPS. [18:30] or does it, i thought that was handled by third party [18:30] i'm just a simple user; linux or bust; :http or bust [18:30] Action: NickyTheNose bitches at the bust. [18:30] :) [18:31] i gotta call comcast too [18:31] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [18:31] i hate talkin to them tho [18:31] masterslakk (mastersla@adsl-99-30-144-105.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [18:31] sftp_ (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:31] is elinks that much better over lynx to deserve real estate on my small HD? [18:31] One time I called them, then I caught the flu. [18:31] Nah, just kidding. [18:31] ElitestFX yes, elinks! [18:31] takeshita_kenji lol [18:31] heh [18:31] ElitestFX: how much real estate are we talking about [18:31] (pretending to be really mean) [18:31] it should be rather small [18:31] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-98.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:32] if you talk to them, you get oral diarhea [18:32] lol [18:32] funny how it doesn't ship with slackware 13. [18:32] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [18:32] i hate isps speciall TW [18:32] ElitestFX then get it [18:32] "we dont support linux' [18:32] `i dont need linux support' [18:32] ElitestFX: slackbuilds.org [18:32] "we dont support linux' [18:32] `i need you to fix your dsamned dns' [18:32] yeah, I use slackbuilds.org [18:32] "we dont support linux' [18:32] lol [18:33] five mins of that crap [18:33] I'll just use wget and less. [18:33] Good enough. [18:33] the bastard was a dick [18:33] was? [18:33] NickyTheNose: your mistake [18:33] why>? [18:33] i never tell them im using linux [18:33] I installed ruby and ROR using their SBo. [18:33] thats asking for trouble [18:33] lol; butbutbut [18:33] he was a dick [18:33] no you should slap yourself [18:33] broken record [18:34] isps guy are aholes specially TW here [18:34] Action: ElitestFX is going to get dinner. be back later [18:34] i figered out that their dhcpd poisoned my resolv.conf [18:34] bad ip [18:34] That's weird. Comcast's DHCP doesn't change my resolv.conf at all. [18:35] do you have -B on your dhcpcd cmd call? [18:35] Whatever the OpenBSD default is. [18:35] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [18:35] i think theres an option so resolv.conf doesnt get updated [18:35] that's no ans [18:35] yea -B [18:35] opt to dhcpcd [18:35] i think it's B [18:35] Oh, OpenBSD uses dhclient [18:35] . [18:35] ok [18:35] BIND is awesome. [18:36] ...bind is an expensive blonde [18:36] nice to have around but she'll hurt you every other week [18:36] she's loose if you know what i mean in a security sense [18:36] lol [18:37] dhclient is in Slackware too, btw [18:38] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:38] well time for me to head home, sayonara [18:39] xsamurai (~jamonyou@69.43.199.101) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:40] dhclient aways screw up my iwl3945 [18:40] i think dhclient is the devil's spawn [18:40] lol [18:40] like Bind [18:41] and emacs [18:41] and TeX [18:41] bahaha [18:41] i dont install them [18:41] nvision (~nvision@e179137142.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:41] NickyTheNose: dhclient is better than dhcpd [18:41] macius (~macius@bas2-toronto09-1176131860.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:41] i prefer dhcpdldiphap [18:42] and dnsmasq is a help too [18:42] but i think i have a diff for rc.inet1 tho [18:42] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-44-189.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:43] on restart or stop, dhcpcd should be killed; it's not, and here, the script fails on restart. [18:43] oh, and ifconfig eth0 down should also be done too [18:44] guys on kismet compile i get http://pastebin.com/VVN6s1v7 [18:44] blaines (~blaines@67.130.168.2) joined ##slackware. [18:44] any help? [18:44] jonsmith1982 (~jon@2.99.83.253) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:44] wher? [18:44] +e [18:44] found this: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html it looks ok, but even if i manage routing how to manage connections to eth0 and wlan0 simultaneously? im used to wicd btw [18:45] functionoverform (~mranderso@adsl-99-141-206-127.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] On the BSDs, they have rtadvd instead of radvd. [18:45] john_dee (~id@95-29-184-68.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [18:46] gospch_ (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) joined ##slackware. [18:47] gem_cat (~gem3@207-119-1-23.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [18:48] does anyone run jack audio - do you run it from root? [18:48] gem_cat: I do, and I don't. respectively. [18:49] so i set up vsftpd on two computers, and one of them doesn't work to as a server, and the other one does. its driving me a little nuts [18:49] the stuff I googled seems out of date - called for a limits.conf - do I create one? [18:49] i've double checked all my settings on vsftpd.conf and they're identical [18:49] deepnite (~deepnite@adsl-69-234-139-47.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:50] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:50] veritos (~veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:50] anybody got any ideas as to what else could cause it to work on one computer, and not the others? [18:50] eviljames, I got it started as user but then it would not let me shut down - I had to kill the process [18:51] deepnite (deepnite@adsl-69-234-139-47.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [18:52] Gorodish (~flautar@cpe-67-49-158-170.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:52] gem_cat: Are you just using CLI, or could you benefit from qjackctl ? [18:52] functionoverform, it could be many things... [18:52] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:53] any idea for where to start? [18:53] I have qjackctl - but after starting jack the quit button is greyed out [18:53] Yeah, you'll want to stop jack before you quit [18:53] well try netstat to see if there' s something listening on port 21 on the machine that doesn't work [18:53] ideally I would like qjackctl to both start and stop jack [18:53] sinuhe (~sinuhe@ip65-44-231-178.z231-44-65.customer.algx.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:53] Pretty sure that all qjackctl does to stop jack is killall jackd [18:54] eviljames: you were right, i do need NAT to setup things here :) [18:54] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:54] pupit: I had a feeling that was what you were after, but was a little befuddled by the wording of the question. [18:55] alright, nothing on port 21 [18:55] i think it is a privilege thing but the limits.conf thing sounds outdated [18:55] pupit: If what I interpreted is correct you have: wall -> DSL -> eth0 [computer gets a public IP address] [18:55] sorry, my english is not spectacular sometimes :) [18:55] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:55] functionoverform: so now I'd suggest checking out the vsftpd config file to see if there isn't something wrong in there [18:56] pupit: Then computer becomes a wifi hotspot on wlan0 ; then your WLAN connects to your computer, which does routing/NAT/firewall [18:56] WLAN above meaning wireless clients. [18:56] eviljames: yes [18:57] alright, i have double checked them and compared, but i'll check again [18:57] pupit: I don't know much (anything) about setting up a wifi hotspot, other than your hardware must support it. I had a ralink device before that did not. [18:57] gospch_ (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:57] pupit: Once that part is done, you'll be happy to hear the rest should be both trivial and well documented. [18:58] eviljames: i think ill draw this [18:58] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) joined ##slackware. [18:58] :) [18:59] functionoverform: tu save time just get a copy of both config files and: diff -u file1 file2 [18:59] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [18:59] *to [19:00] haha, i just grabbed one from the computer that worked [19:01] and used it to replace the one on the computer that didn't [19:01] brb [19:01] functionoverform (~mranderso@adsl-99-141-206-127.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:02] Is it possible to execute something prior to the filesystem mount at boot? [19:02] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:02] Well, without having to make an initrd. [19:03] functionoverform (~mranderso@adsl-99-141-206-127.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:03] ? [19:03] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.86.170) joined ##slackware. [19:03] i see a problem now [19:03] port 21 isn't open [19:04] on the computer that doesn't work [19:04] so that makes sense lol [19:04] i just don't know why exactly that is [19:04] Slackware doesn't start the RAID array in a usable way at boot and requires a manual run of mdadm to get it to work. [19:05] anybody with current and kismet? [19:05] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-98.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:06] functionoverform, maybe a firewall ? [19:06] though even if there's a firewall I think it should show up in netstat [19:06] yeah, there isn't one [19:06] i mean, its just my laptop and my desktop, its all local [19:06] and i can ftp my desktop from my laptop [19:06] have you checked the logs ? [19:06] but not the reverse [19:06] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-97.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:07] no i haven't, don't even know where they are [19:07] LanGuard (~mQ-uze@83.32.181.127) joined ##slackware. [19:07] LanGuard (mQ-uze@83.32.181.127) left ##slackware. [19:07] Somwhere in /var/log [19:08] thanks eviljames I will figure it out :) [19:08] Maybe /var/log/vsftpd/ or /var/log/vsftpd.log or something [19:08] gem_cat (gem3@207-119-1-23.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware ("Fades from view"). [19:08] anyone successfully have compiz running on their slack system w/ kde4 ? [19:09] i'll look right now [19:10] rogersman: Why would you want to? [19:10] jkwood: why not? [19:11] Because kwin works fine? [19:11] Most of the RAID guides I see for Slackware don't use mdadw. [19:11] *mdadm [19:11] compiz is a lot faster and has better feature tho [19:11] Okay, let me rephrase - what does compiz offer that kwin doesn't? [19:11] takeshita_kenji, take a look at /etc/rc.d/rc.S [19:11] Interesting position. [19:11] Where's the data? [19:12] takeshita_kenji, That's the first thing that init runs, and it mostly consists of setting up mountpoints and somesuch [19:12] Good idea. [19:12] data is from personal experience :-p and plenty of other users [19:13] anyway, i see compiz itself is included with slackware current but without any plugins, config, etc...what the point of that? [19:13] Your earlier question suggests that you don't have it running successfully, though. [19:13] It can be used with xfce, for example. [19:13] I'm trying to build from source (recent version now works well with kde4) but it's a bit of a nightmare [19:14] just wondered if anyone else managed this is all [19:14] If the other users are using Kubuntu, then you can't really believe anything they say, just for your information. [19:14] veritos (veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:15] Gorodish (~flautar@cpe-67-49-158-170.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: [19:15] my intel card cannot run kwin smoothly, but managed compiz when it came with ubuntu [19:16] I think if you have a good system, kwin should be fine...but I don't :-D [19:16] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:17] plus i like having my windows open in a wall of fire! [19:17] |Slacker| (~cris@189.117.99.235) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:17] eviljames: http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/ctrl4del/multiwan.png [19:20] ovnicraft (1000@186.68.250.207) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:20] pupit: yes [19:21] pupit: You have a lot of options here. [19:21] Very nice drawing, btw :P [19:21] hahaha [19:21] what was it drawn in? :) [19:22] pupit: So, is it possible to add a 2nd nic to PC2? If so, you could use eth0 + wlan0 in various configurations [19:22] i dedicate my drawing to eviljames [19:22] Then use PC2 as your router/firewall. [19:22] eviljames: 2nd pc is eeepc [19:23] oh.. waitasec... I just clued in that you want to do it to PC2 hah [19:23] i have an usb2ethernet adapter [19:23] err duh PC1 [19:24] pupit: take a look at this post: http://blog.nielshorn.net/2008/09/load-balancing-two-isps/ [19:24] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) joined ##slackware. [19:24] It's a bit old, but still valid... [19:25] thanks niels_horn :) [19:25] phreak (~phreak@pool-71-249-11-212.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:26] 13.1RC2 ftw! [19:26] pupit: np :) [19:26] it's awn, it's SO AWN [19:26] 2.6.34 or 13.1; which comes first? [19:26] 2.6.34 [19:27] hah [19:27] shit, when was it released :/ [19:27] ok, 13.1 or ff 3.6.4 [19:27] niels_horn: as it was stated above, drawing is nice, you could use it as an intro in the beginning of your blog :) [19:27] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:28] pupit: hehe... :) I actually need to update that post a bit. Who knows in my v2.0 [19:29] 2008, some stuff happens in two years thats for sure [19:29] mancha: I don't think 13.1 will have 2.6.34... Just my guess... [19:29] "ADSL modem 1Mb down, 320Kb up" [19:29] Action: guax bets is a brazilian ISP [19:30] guax: yeah... :) Rio de Janeiro... [19:30] :D [19:30] Witukind: i don't think it has anything to do with the setup of vsftpd, just because they're identical on both machines, as well as vsftpd being enabled in rc.d/rc.inetd [19:33] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [19:33] well damn, i had just compiled .33.4 too :| [19:34] niels_horn no idea, though if he's smart he will. [19:35] whats new on 34 that worth update? [19:35] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:35] mancha: I read about 2.6.34 relying on the new mdadm version, that requires changes in the init scripts. [19:35] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:35] guax: several new drivers. [19:35] new slew of graphics driver changes, logfs, ceph, etc [19:36] http://www.h-online.com/open/features/What-s-new-in-Linux-2-6-34-1000122.html [19:36] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:37] functionoverform: Then I'm clueless.., [19:37] Action: guax looks for updates on the shit wireless driver for iwl3945 [19:37] haha, me too [19:37] but if there isn't anything listening on port 21... there must be something very wrong going on [19:38] mancha: from the ARMedslack mailing list: "we've discovered that mdadm and Linux 2.6.34 isn't yet compatible with the Slackware init scripts." [19:38] well if i nmap the computer [19:38] the only ports open are 22, 37, 113, and 6000 [19:38] good idea, do you get anything ? [19:38] did you try iptables -L just to check ? [19:38] lemme see [19:39] i haven't setup iptables [19:39] niels_horn aha, ok, but does that argue for delaying 13.1 then? [19:39] or relegated to the -current tree post 13.1 [19:40] functionoverform: hum ok, just a guess... I doubt it's something like port exhaustion xD [19:40] mancha: I guess this will wait until 13.2 / 14.0 - but that is all just my educated guesswork... [19:40] lol [19:41] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [19:41] "Some laptops have two GPUs, a low-power and inefficient GPU and a high-power and powerful GPU. Users should be able to switch to one or another at runtime. In this version, Linux adds support for this feature. You need to restart X, though." [19:41] lol [19:41] i mean, the reason why i make these machines pretty much identical is because it helps me figure things out, but in this case... nothing makes sense [19:41] mancha: changing the init scripts requires a lot of testing... I know because I have messed them up in the past :) [19:42] j0z (~UNIX@187.59.71.79) joined ##slackware. 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[19:42] functionoverform: you wouldn't believe how much time I've spent figuring out things that make no sense with Linux ^ [19:42] ^^ [19:42] haha [19:42] Since 1998 or so, and it keeps getting worse xD [19:42] haha, well i switched to slackware in december [19:42] from fedora [19:43] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.59) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:43] and it was a whole new world of nuts and bolts [19:43] Been using Slackware for almost 8 years or so [19:43] it wasn't like yum -fixeverythinginstantly [19:43] guax: indeed, that makes such feature basically worthless to most people [19:43] nice, well that helps i'm sure [19:44] ananke, thats lack of interest from the hardware makers [19:44] and thats sad =( [19:44] yes it does, but I still didn't figure out why my gamepad doesn't work anymore or the webcam... no time to dwelve in all that [19:44] yeah, its alot of work [19:44] ananke: guax: it would be useful if we could have two sessions at the same time and switch between them or something... [19:44] guax: yeah. linux on desktop is still a rarity [19:45] i mean.. the funny thing is i really don't need ftp to work as a server on this computer [19:45] Last thing I did is spent 2 weeks recompiling X.org and lots of other shit to get KMS ^^ [19:45] because the other one has a massive hdd, where i test everything out and store it [19:45] but i figured i could work this out eventually.. and its just not happening [19:45] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.79.197) joined ##slackware. [19:46] maybe just do it with sftp even if it's slower [19:47] lol.. like REAL slow [19:47] niels_horn, or being able to transfer the buffer from one gpu to another and keep working just having the performance change [19:47] seamless [19:47] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [19:47] The thing is maybe you'll find out why it doesn't work tomorrow or next week... SSH is faster... [19:48] ssh works fine actually [19:48] ssh is beautyfull [19:48] i just don't know how to transfer files via ssh, because i'm completely new to it [19:48] guax: yes... technically possible for sure... [19:48] which adds to the strangeness of the whole situation [19:48] beautiful [19:48] haha, yeah it does [19:48] i know that [19:48] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.86.170) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:49] scp yourfile user@host:~ will copy "yourfile" to the home dir of user@host [19:49] scp -r will copy a directory recursively [19:50] thanks, i'll google a guide to ssh too, probably good to have [19:50] I just use SSH all the time [19:50] even if it's slower [19:50] if you trying to do complex file transfer you can use rsync over ssh [19:50] slower in comparission to? [19:51] ftp [19:51] in comparison to an unsecure file transfer [19:51] not a noticiable difference i think [19:52] depends on what hardware you have I guess [19:52] any way to copy a folder via ssh? [19:53] functionoverform: see the scp -r as posted earlier [19:53] thanks [19:53] as scp uses ssh [19:56] functionoverform: rsync over ssh may be better, if you're transferring things like symlinks/etc [19:56] all i'm transferring are some media files for now [19:57] zErOaCid (debian@71-80-209-34.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:57] NickyTheNose (1000@c-68-56-234-169.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [19:57] Now I understand why something else than SSH would be better ^^ [19:58] Witukind: ? [19:59] lol [19:59] Witukind, your sense of humor amuse me [19:59] haha yes sir [19:59] but they're small in this case [19:59] so no big deal [19:59] ftp is nice and quick though [20:00] ftp can also be insecure depending on your setup. If that matters [20:00] so is netcat, and ? [20:00] as far as nice and quick that is ;) [20:00] eh, security.. [20:00] haha [20:01] i don't really store anything pertinent or important on my computers [20:01] ssh is quicker then ftp [20:01] i dont have ftp configured in most of my machines [20:01] well... in none of then [20:01] them* [20:02] didier_ (~didier@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:02] well, i also wanted to see how setting it up worked and all, just out of curiousity [20:02] and apparently ssh is already setup on these things by default [20:02] adamk_ (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [20:02] so i could've gone that route from day one [20:03] didier_ (~didier@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:03] if you're used to using a command line ftp client, you might like sftp [20:03] (ftp-like interface over ssh) [20:03] i just used scp, it was pretty handy, and it transferred on average at like 4mb/s [20:03] guax: I'm a very funny person ^ [20:04] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:04] sftp's mostly useful if you need to download some files and don't necessarily know the exact paths to them on the remote host [20:05] peacenik (~didier@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:05] or if you've got a long-time customer that's used to using ftp to upload stuff to his web space, and you want to phase out ftp for security reasons [20:06] lisak (~a@77.93.201.43) joined ##slackware. [20:07] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [20:07] peacenik (didier@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware. [20:07] pizdets (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:08] pizdets (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:08] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:08] Urchlay: sftp asks for root password if no user is entered before host [20:08] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:08] it's surprising that there aren't many decent solution to replace ftp for simple upload [20:08] wait, haha, im in root :) [20:09] ananke: why do you need to replace ftp for upload? [20:09] An easy to use and secure network filesystem has yet to be invented [20:10] panzer: plethora of reasons. for one, ftp without ssl means passwords in clear text. that gets tricky if you want to have multiple accounts, other than just anon upload [20:10] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@72.242.71.146) joined ##slackware. [20:10] i'd love to have web based file management system, which would offer administration via the web interface [20:11] such things exist but they suck very much [20:11] ananke: so, what the nearest web based file management you have used? [20:11] indeed. most freebie ones are very limited [20:12] ananke: got you [20:12] pupit: actually, my sysadmins found a product that works on windows/IIS. i'll try to dig out a name, but it was the most complete and actually useful system [20:14] Action: pupit there are 3 commands to quit sftp :D [20:14] wario (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-jcmcrqbakalljwhr) left irc: Changing host [20:14] wario (nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [20:14] wario (nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Changing host [20:14] wario (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-jcmcrqbakalljwhr) joined ##slackware. [20:16] after I flush my iptables, my networking stops working at all...what could be the reason ? [20:17] did you also do iptables -X ? [20:17] or just -F [20:17] macius (~macius@bas2-toronto09-1176131860.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:18] yes [20:18] ahh, found it. http://www.cuteftp.com/eft/ [20:18] lol.. cuteftp.. sounds fun [20:18] forgive my n00bness, but if i have a file containing files for /usr/share /usr/doc etc, what's the command to copy these across to the relevant directories? just cp? [20:18] the same [20:18] even ping localhost doesn't work... [20:18] nothing [20:19] functionoverform: it's a real company [20:19] lisak: strange [20:19] roccity_ (~roccity_@202-154-145-61.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [20:19] oh, i don't doubt you [20:19] http://paster.cz/snippet/show/id/2291 [20:19] SlackerD (~darin@pool-72-82-101-225.nrflva.btas.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:20] the same with -X [20:20] sadly, this product is the closest we've ever found to provide us the functionality we need [20:20] pupit: huh? I just went "sftp localhost" and entered my user's password, and ended up logged in as urchlay in ~urchlay [20:20] lisak: the default policies ! [20:20] Hey guys, I've got an issue with installing Slackware on a usb drive. [20:20] I dunno what it does it you run sftp with no arguments [20:20] --> /sbin/iptables -P INPUT ALLOW [20:21] roccity_ (roccity_@202-154-145-61.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz) left ##slackware. [20:21] It keeps insisting on changing the MBR of the master HDD, not the one I'm installing to. [20:21] omg :) sorry [20:21] hum I mean /sbin/iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT [20:21] Urchlay: i ran sftp 192.168.1.4:/mnt/SDHC/ but i was in root :) [20:21] WildWizard, I tought they are flushed too ... [20:22] 192.168.1.4 is pc on my lan [20:22] lisak: yeah, I use to think so too ;) [20:23] ananke: thanks for eft, bookmarked for now [20:23] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:23] Hey guys, I've got an issue with installing Slackware on a usb drive. [20:23] It keeps insisting on changing the MBR of the master HDD, not the one I'm installing to. [20:24] SlackerD, both IDE drives ? [20:24] try removing the HDD [20:25] you need to propperly inform lilo on where to install [20:26] One is a usb drive. [20:26] ah [20:26] kitche (kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:27] lisak (~a@77.93.201.43) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:27] anyone manged to get kde dialogs for firefox working in slack? [20:28] rogersman: theres a firefox plugin. plasma notify is the name iirc [20:28] sahko: no, I mean native kde dialogs for open file, save as, etc [20:29] it's available on opensuse, kubuntu, etc [20:29] kmozillahelper ... trying to get working on slack [20:29] berke (~berke@nv-67-232-145-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [20:30] oh for that you need to go to about:config, search for picker and set ui.allow_platform_file_picker to false [20:30] I got to choose where I wanted to install LILO to, sure, but it went ahead and chose where to write the MBR. [20:30] How can I fix this? [20:30] Nick change: fire|bird -> peregrine|falcon [20:30] Nick change: phoenix^ -> fire|bird [20:30] you can run liloconfig [20:31] sahko: unfortunately even that trick doesn't get the right stuff...just sum crappy kde3 esque bollocks [20:31] or run pkgtool and then select liloconfig [20:32] has anyone heard about the hulu problems with slackware64 64-bit flash plugin? wasnt there a workaround by using 32-bit flash? [20:33] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:33] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:34] lisak (~a@77.93.201.43) joined ##slackware. [20:34] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.16) joined ##slackware. [20:35] rogersman: i think its plain qt [20:35] berke: I think there's a wrapper that allows running the 32bit version of flash on a 64bit host. Just don' t remember the name. [20:35] SlackerD: you did a simple lilo install? [20:36] berke: I'm interested in finding a solution since I have the same problem. [20:36] acidtripper (~gon@190.188.115.210) joined ##slackware. [20:36] Yes [20:36] any recommendation for command line battery monitor? [20:37] acidtripper: /bin/cat ? ^^ [20:37] acidtripper: script to handle it? [20:37] sahko: yup, plain jane...bit pants :-p [20:37] acidtripper: I have a bat.pl from conky-dlab I downloaded years ago [20:38] SlackerD: :S should-have-selected-the-other-one-THE-expert-one [20:38] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:39] SlackerD: should have pulled out the hdd first [20:40] SlackerD: "ElitestFX: try removing the HDD" now, if it is installed in mbr, i think lilo saves mbr somewhere, try to restore it with dd [20:40] adaptr (~adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [20:41] but, i dont recommend you to use dd. [20:42] mbr is hdd for example [20:42] the first partition [20:42] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:42] Indeed [20:42] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:43] ok [20:43] Thanks for the help. [20:43] SlackerD (~darin@pool-72-82-101-225.nrflva.btas.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:45] stormtracknole (stormtrac@72.242.71.146) left ##slackware. [20:45] you expect from slacker to use expert lilo install... [20:46] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@c-98-229-60-65.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:47] lisak (~a@77.93.201.43) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:50] pupit: why? [20:51] v4nelle (~van@79.107.196.122) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:53] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [20:53] i have no good answer for that, its my thought on slackerD problem-solving [20:55] guy asks for help, and then does the simplest thing :) which is bad :) [21:00] sigh...GTK is so damn fugly [21:01] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] pupit: it would only be bad if the simplest thing would not fix it. If doing the simple thing works, why not? [21:06] its not a matter of fixing things but doing things the proper way, but yeah, simple things usually work usual stuff ie. not installing on usb-flash :) [21:06] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:07] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:09] asgb_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [21:09] berke (~berke@nv-67-232-145-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:10] Nick change: asgb_ -> towshot_ [21:10] I read this in the readme.slackware file: First off: wpa_supplicant REQUIRES the AP to broadcast the SSID. When the AP [21:10] hides its SSID, all you will get out of wpa_supplicant is the message: [21:10] "No suitable AP found" [21:10] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:10] phreak (phreak@pool-71-249-11-212.nycmny.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:10] My AP hides the ssid.... [21:11] why not try unhiding it? [21:11] It then says: If you got everything up and running you can let Slackware's init script take over by killing wpa_supplicant and running: [21:11] /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 ath0_restart [21:11] Does this mean it would work since wpa_supplicant is gone? [21:11] acidtripper, because my dad doesn't want to unhide the network [21:12] What's even the point of hiding the ssid? It doesn't work anyway. There are tools to find the ssid anyway..... [21:12] not broadcasting does not "hide" anything [21:13] I guess so. [21:13] I don't see the point in not broadcasting, but I guess there may be some point to it... [21:13] no need to guess. even intels wifi config tool shows APs with non-broadcast [21:14] I meant the phrase "guess so" [21:15] Witukind (~witukind@ANancy-157-1-65-196.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090423]: i've been blurred! [21:17] That part where it says let Slackware's init script take over... Does this mean it won't matter whether the ssid is hidden anymore? [21:17] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@c-98-229-60-65.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:18] Perhaps it would be possible to edit the wpa_supplicant code to find hidden ssids and connect to them? Or is this not the problem? [21:19] ElitestFX (ElitestFX@c-98-229-60-65.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [21:19] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/wpa-supplicant-and-no-broadcast-ssid-532408/ [21:20] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202834 <-- also [21:21] Sweet. Forums. Thanks andarius :) [21:21] yw [21:26] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:28] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:29] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@c-98-229-60-65.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] kitche (kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [21:31] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6A6D9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] goj|afk (~goj@p5488FF36.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:34] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) joined ##slackware. [21:34] bhanson (bhanson@isafailure.com) joined ##slackware. [21:34] v4nelle (~van@79.107.196.122) joined ##slackware. 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[21:44] test failed, please try again [21:45] blaines (~blaines@67.130.168.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:47] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:47] user2438 (~user45925@adsl-76-235-37-216.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:48] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) left irc: Quit: velusip [21:53] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:54] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:56] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [22:00] andarius is on my client side o_0 [22:00] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:00] all your networks are belong to andarius :o [22:02] 6 weeks no walking on an ankle. gonna get my slackware tweaked awesome. [22:03] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. 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[22:18] Gorodish (~flautar@cpe-67-49-158-170.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [22:18] Nevermind. [22:18] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-70-236.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:19] anyoneofus (~anyoneofu@118.71.49.26) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:20] molinero (~molinero@187.140.54.140) joined ##slackware. [22:24] Action: pupit gone to upgrade pidgin [22:24] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:24] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:26] molinero (molinero@187.140.54.140) left ##slackware ("Saliendo"). [22:27] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-70-236.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [22:33] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-70-236.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [22:35] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [22:37] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-70-236.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [22:38] so why slackware over archlinux [22:38] I like arch's recent binaries [22:38] and rolling release [22:38] and pacman [22:38] whats up with slack [22:39] I havent tried slack in liek 8 years [22:39] then use arch [22:40] whatever your preference [22:41] yeah [22:41] I should learn more lisp. [22:41] I am excellent at box n network but poor at coding. [22:41] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [22:45] So...where's the MySQL data directory? [22:45] /var/lib/mysql [22:45] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:46] Thanks. [22:47] Action: ananke wonder what lisp has to do with slackware [22:47] ananke: Didn't you know? Slackware was written in lisp! [22:47] I was written in Lisp. [22:47] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:48] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:49] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [22:49] I love shemale porn and big girls. [22:49] lisp is best programing lang and I wana try a webapp in it [22:50] make ton of $$ [22:50] and out comes the troll [22:50] Not just tons, megatons. [22:50] One good option would be Clojure, since it can integrate with Java Web Services. [22:50] We all love those Java Web Services. [22:50] oow no no [22:50] java is a no no [22:50] (I'm just kidding, by the way.) [22:50] avoid it [22:51] and use common lisp Is my plan [22:51] Im not [22:51] Scheme is more awesome. [22:51] no true macroes according to paul graham [22:51] spiffy and sunet intereting webservers tho [22:52] [chiecken and scsh respectively] [22:52] ever do a webapp in scheme? [22:52] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:52] Have you? [22:54] nope [22:54] I never wrote a scheme app really. [22:54] mostly bash [22:55] I am pretty good at bash. [22:55] takeshit1_kenji (~takeshita@c-24-19-4-122.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:56] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:57] slackage [22:57] whats a large website running slack? [22:58] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [22:59] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:59] slackware.com? [23:00] Vete a la mierda y morir. [23:01] Refused telnet@cardinal.lizella.net (invalid handle: cowboy5) [23:01] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [23:01] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-097-028.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [23:01] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Quit: /etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start [23:02] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. 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[23:11] azathoth99 (~gav@cpe-76-172-28-85.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:11] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [23:17] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:17] jalfrock (~moy@24.145.149.162) joined ##slackware. [23:18] how is pulseaudio on 13.1? i can live w/o network audio thought it would be cool to mess with. [23:18] Did Slackware add PulseAudio? [23:18] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:19] sluckxz: non existant [23:19] no [23:19] sbo I think - but not in slack repo [23:19] Ah. Good. [23:21] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [23:22] there is a sbo. [23:23] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [23:24] hackeron_ (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. 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[23:46] @search lansdale [23:46] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [23:46] does doing slackpkg upgrade do the same thing as getting the .txz files and doing upgradepkg blabla.txz ? [23:47] just wondering..is it really necessary to add the shebang before all scripts? [23:49] stu_: yeah, pretty much [23:49] fhobia: k thanks [23:49] rogersman: yes, otherwise the script may run under the wrong shell and you could get a syntax error [23:49] unless you always run it with script. [23:50] ahh okay, to distiguish c shell, kourne, et al... [23:50] *korn [23:50] schoene (~mark@cpe-65-189-215-224.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:50] lol [23:50] bourne + korn = kourne! [23:51] If that shell went on 'roids, it'd probably be the z shell [23:51] yeah! rprompt ftw! [23:52] lesser (~lesser@117.136.12.70) joined ##slackware. [23:53] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:53] lesser (~lesser@117.136.12.70) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:56] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@c-98-229-60-65.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [23:56] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) joined ##slackware. [23:56] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:57] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:57] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [23:58] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [23:59] the firefox (and other gtk prog) windows looked primitive when i installed slackware 13 (with kde).... i followed the 'eye candy' section here -> http://vcn.bc.ca/~dugan/setting-up-slackware.html [00:00] --- Wed May 19 2010