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[00:11] <fire|bird> and I'm back. :)
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[00:15] <fire|bird> Wow, it sure got quiet in here. :P
[00:15] Action: NaCl makes some noise
[00:16] <deco> that's because i stopped typing...
[00:16] <fire|bird> Ah, I figured it had to do with you deco. :P
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[00:17] <deco> when in doubt it's always me :P
[00:17] <fire|bird> what a surprise. :P
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[00:19] <deco> see silence again ...
[00:19] <fire|bird> yup
[00:20] <deco> oh about my dream...
[00:20] <deco> i had a dream that i was in argentina o_O
[00:20] <fire|bird> deco: Does this same affect occur if you tried it in #ubuntu? :P
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[00:20] <deco> fire|bird: oh god no does mofos never shutup
[00:20] <deco> those*
[00:21] <fire|bird> haha
[00:21] <deco> and i was sitting on the floor in someone's house
[00:21] <deco> a girl and her mom were beside me
[00:22] <deco> the girl looked at me and smiled
[00:22] <deco> i smiled back
[00:22] <deco> and the mother did the same
[00:25] <deco> and i still remember how they looked like
[00:25] <deco> both had brown/blonde hair
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[00:29] <deco> and then i woke up with that happy image in my mind
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[00:31] <deco> but the funny/weird thing is that i automaticly new it was argentina
[00:31] <deco> knew*
[00:32] <deco> when i started dreaming i just heard the argentina and the scene started
[00:32] <deco> just like a movie when they change locations
[00:32] <deco> heard the word *
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[00:34] <deco> could that have been my future wife and daughter ?
[00:34] <deco> i did see a movie about dreams before i went to bed
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[00:35] <godling> deco: spam much?
[00:35] <cryptic0> my mplayer is suddenly playing pranks on me.  libdvdread: could not open /dev/dvd with libdvdcss
[00:35] <cryptic0> permission denied
[00:35] <cryptic0> it was working fine just before my last reboot
[00:36] <deco> hmmm weird
[00:37] <deco> cryptic0: reinstal and try again ?
[00:37] <cryptic0> could not open dvd device /dev/dvd (permission denied)
[00:37] <deco> reinstall*
[00:37] <cryptic0> seems like something went wrong with permissions
[00:37] <deco> yeah ......
[00:37] <cryptic0> I tried running as root, which it does, but the video looks like I am watching negative
[00:39] <hitest> night all
[00:39] <deco> night
[00:39] <hitest> night deco
[00:39] <fire|bird> night hitest
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[00:40] <deco> i don't dream much ...
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[00:43] <cryptic0> looks like permission on my audio card is also screwed up.   audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Permission denied
[00:43] <cryptic0> dont know what is going on
[00:43] <cryptic0> something changed after I rebooted
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[00:44] <deco> persona non grata
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[00:47] <deco> now that's a persona non grata ^
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[00:49] <cryptic0> deco, the problem with dvd permission was caused because I had set runlevel to 4.  I reverted back to 3 and rebooted and now I can play dvd again.  However my sound has not come back.
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[00:49] <deco> cryptic0: so you're in console ? O_O
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[00:50] <deco> cryptic0: or you manually start x ?
[00:51] <cryptic0> I manually do startx
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[00:51] <deco> hey!
[00:51] <cryptic0> I can't understand why my sound disappeared
[00:51] <heviarti> anyone here alive and good?
[00:52] <deco> heviarti: i think so ... i might be dreaming
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[00:53] <heviarti> deco: ok.. i'm trying to upgrade to a bigger disk on my lappy.. no boot media available.. i've copied my system to the new drive and i can't quite get lilo to finction.
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[00:54] <heviarti> new drive is attatched via usb storage, and is a scsi generic device, but on boot will be an hd device
[00:54] <heviarti> i think system.map is screwy.
[00:56] <heviarti> deco: beyond you?
[00:56] <cryptic0> AO: [oss] 44100Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)  <---- does this mean my system is trying to use oss instead of alsa?
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[00:56] <deco> heviarti: are you insulting me ?
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[00:58] <heviarti> deco: no.. I've fought with it for some hours.
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[00:58] <heviarti> I did it once before, but i think some lilo options have changed since last I did it
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[01:00] <heviarti> deco: i'd love to have ten times the disk space i have now..
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[01:00] <deco> heviarti: good to know ..
[01:01] <deco> i need space too
[01:01] <deco> 1 gig left on mine
[01:02] <heviarti> well.. i'm about to move from eight gig to eighty if i can get my @#$^%%#$ bootloader to go to work..
[01:02] <heviarti> deco: i'm getting all nines
[01:04] <hello_mot0> http://img196.imageshack.us/i/nicw.jpg/... How to set this network card property in slackware?
[01:04] <heviarti> i know it's not writing something right
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[01:05] <deco> just leave me alone!
[01:05] <deco> all of you!
[01:06] <heviarti> deco: dude..
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[01:07] <hello_mot0> anyone help me?
[01:07] <heviarti> hello_mot0: have you checked your kernel messages?
[01:07] <heviarti> is the card installed?
[01:07] <heviarti> is the module loaded?
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[01:09] <hello_mot0> I can see the eth0 by ifconfig -a
[01:09] <hello_mot0> I need to set that setting to go online
[01:09] <hello_mot0> wel
[01:09] <hello_mot0> my ip is 192.168.1.111
[01:09] <hello_mot0> ping 192.168.1.111
[01:09] <deco> lol
[01:09] <hello_mot0> destination not rechable
[01:10] <hello_mot0> so what's wrong
[01:10] <Dominian> if you can't ping your own IP you got bigger problems
[01:10] <hello_mot0> ok
[01:10] <heviarti> well... could you be set to deny icmp?
[01:10] <Dominian> ifconfig eth0 shows what?
[01:10] <hello_mot0> wait...
[01:10] <Dominian> hello_mot0: icmp denied from the localhost to its own IP?
[01:10] <Dominian> that would definitely be odd
[01:10] <heviarti> no...
[01:10] <heviarti> not if it's denied to eth0
[01:10] <heviarti> totally
[01:10] <Dominian> well Slackware's iptables is set to default policy of ACCEPT
[01:10] <heviarti> iptables can do that
[01:11] <Dominian> so unless he has a custom firewall rule to do that.. I doubt it
[01:11] <heviarti> that is true, but maybe he's installed a filterset..
[01:11] <heviarti> hello_mot0: try sshing yourself.
[01:11] <heviarti> or better yet, nmap yourself
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[01:13] <hello_mot0> what output you need
[01:13] <hello_mot0> what all output you need
[01:13] <hello_mot0> I will get it from usb
[01:13] <heviarti> well.. first off.. could you ssh yourself, or nmap yourself and connect or see anything?
[01:13] <heviarti> ok... i'm starting to think hello_mot0 is a Pakled.
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[01:14] <hello_mot0> can't do those
[01:14] <hello_mot0> will get outout in pen drive
[01:14] <hello_mot0> and will trasfer to this pc and post here
[01:14] <heviarti> dude...
[01:14] <heviarti> ok..
[01:14] <heviarti> what are you trying to hook up to?
[01:14] <heviarti> is the lan static only, or do you have a dhcp server?
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[01:15] <hello_mot0> I am hookign to router
[01:15] <hello_mot0> if I set that property in windows only then I can go online
[01:15] <rworkman> Set *what* property?
[01:16] <antiwire> hook it baby, hook it.
[01:16] <hello_mot0> so I need to set that property in slackware
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[01:16] <rworkman> Set *what* property?
[01:16] <hello_mot0> http://img196.imageshack.us/i/nicw.jpg/
[01:16] <hello_mot0> look this
[01:16] <heviarti> ok.... you have a router.. and probably dhcp.
[01:17] <heviarti> have you read the man pages for dhclient and/or dhcpcd?
[01:17] <cryptic0> how can I get oss to release my sound card?
[01:18] <cryptic0> its being held hostage
[01:18] <antiwire> If your nic isn't detecting the correct link status and type you have bigger issues than just setting some property. Check your cabling and verify that the correct driver module is loaded, then check your network settings for that nic. someone set us up the base?
[01:18] <rworkman> hello_mot0: dmesg | grep e100  <-- should show how the interface is being detected.  From there, what antiwire said.
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[01:19] <Dominian> ethtool eth0
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[01:19] <Dominian> Should tell you how its being detected
[01:20] <Dominian> the card on this box right now is detected incorrectly in a few distros... one see s it as a fiber module.. totally wrong!
[01:20] <heviarti> you know... i've never had a media misdetect.
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[01:20] <antiwire> I hate it when that happens.
[01:21] <rworkman> I have, and oddly enough, it was with an e100 card.
[01:21] <Dominian> heviarti: I have.. drivers in different kernels not working properly
[01:22] <heviarti> you know.. i have a 64 bit pci gigabit intel nic.. y'all are making me worry.
[01:22] <antiwire> It does happen but in most cases you can fix it by removing the module and reinserting: modprobe -r e100 && modprobe e100 && dhcpcd ethX
[01:22] <hello_mot0> hello
[01:22] <hello_mot0> http://pastebin.com/d92325e3
[01:22] <heviarti> 'course i'll be running it under alpha
[01:22] <hello_mot0> read this
[01:23] <antiwire> heviarti: no errors, if the systemhave two (2) network cards, verify the connections
[01:23] <Dominian> antiwire: that unfortunately ddi not work for me ;)
[01:23] <BP{k}> hello_mot0: yes and?
[01:23] <hello_mot0> http://pastebin.com/d77d3a48b  : can't ping 192.168.1.1
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[01:24] <hello_mot0> http://pastebin.com/d4d027bee : can ping my local ip
[01:24] <hello_mot0> 192.168.1.111
[01:24] <heviarti> interesting that he's tried pinging himself and there are no tx packets...
[01:24] <hello_mot0> I need to set that setting...
[01:24] <Dominian> heh
[01:24] <Dominian> heviarti: route add default gw 192.168.1.1
[01:24] <hello_mot0> wait...
[01:25] <heviarti> Dominian: no.. i have already set a default gateway
[01:25] <hello_mot0> no
[01:25] <Dominian> doh.. wrong person
[01:25] <rworkman> Use "netconfig" to set up the parameters you want, and then do "/etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 eth0_start"
[01:25] <hello_mot0> This is problem with router
[01:25] <Dominian> hello_mot0: route add default gw 192.168.1.1
[01:25] <heviarti> now... give correct syntax for the same under BSD, AIX, and IRIX.
[01:25] <hello_mot0> Dominian done
[01:25] <hello_mot0> still no
[01:25] <hello_mot0> I am telling you
[01:25] <hello_mot0> unless I set that setting, I can't reach router
[01:25] <Dominian> then do as rworkman suggested
[01:25] <hello_mot0> what did he suggested
[01:25] <Dominian> unless you set what setting?
[01:25] <deco> :(
[01:26] <heviarti> how about we just have him run dhcpcd?
[01:26] <hello_mot0> http://img196.imageshack.us/i/nicw.jpg/
[01:26] <antiwire> yeah sad face emoticon is certainly in order here.
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[01:26] <hello_mot0> Link speed & duplex SETTING
[01:26] <hello_mot0> I need to set this
[01:26] <hello_mot0> as I do in windows
[01:26] <antiwire> If I see that windows paste once more time I'll cry
[01:27] <Dominian> eh
[01:27] <Dominian> hello_mot0: then you have a crappy router that doesn't do auto negotiation correctly
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[01:27] <antiwire> check your cabling, seriously
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[01:27] <heviarti> ok.. if you have link lights... ifconfig eth0 down, then ifconfig eth0 up, then dhclient eth0
[01:27] <hello_mot0> it wont work
[01:27] <hello_mot0> tried
[01:28] <heviarti> antiwire: he said it runs under wincrap
[01:28] <antiwire> we prefer dhcpcd since the stock scripts use dhcpcd
[01:28] <hello_mot0> not gettign ip
[01:28] Action: godling looks in, sees what's going on, and looks back out again
[01:28] <hello_mot0> I need to set that setting
[01:28] <hello_mot0> which tool to manipulate nic
[01:29] <BP{k}> ethtool(8) ?
[01:29] <heviarti> antiwire: yeah.. but it's a daemon, and if it fails it isn't as good about dumping messages to the controlling terminal
[01:29] <hello_mot0> no DHCPOFFERS received
[01:29] <godling> heviarti: Dominian said it already: ethtool
[01:29] <hello_mot0> .. /usr/sbin/ethtool
[01:30] <heviarti> tell you what, Skip... get an RTL 8139. a crack addicted orangutan could get one of those to work.
[01:30] <godling> heviarti: pictures or it didn't happen
[01:31] Action: godling waits for pictures of crack-addicted orangutan
[01:31] <heviarti> have you seen bill gates?
[01:31] <deco> ....
[01:31] <heviarti> exsqueeze me..
[01:31] <heviarti> Gatan.
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[01:32] <hello_mot0> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-change-the-speed-and-duplex-settings-of-an-ethernet-card/
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[01:33] <BP{k}> hello_mot0: what is your problem.
[01:33] <heviarti> ok... hello_mot0 you need to read that, not us.
[01:33] <hello_mot0> it dont say anbout ethtool
[01:33] <heviarti> he can't get his ethernet to link up
[01:33] <hello_mot0> how it set that
[01:33] <heviarti> man ethtool
[01:33] <BP{k}> hello_mot0: read the fscking manpage.
[01:33] <hello_mot0> it says about mii-tool
[01:33] <hello_mot0> ok
[01:33] <heviarti> or man mii-tool
[01:34] <hello_mot0> ok
[01:34] <hello_mot0> mii-tool eth0
[01:34] <heviarti> when there's no one else, there's man pages. they're like Mr. Rogers
[01:34] <hello_mot0> eth0: no link
[01:35] <BP{k}> heviarti: I know what is *computer related* issue is .. I was merely wondering at the other issue.
[01:35] <BP{k}> hello_mot0: have you read the manpage for eth0 as both Dominian and I suggested?
[01:35] <heviarti> again i refer to Pakleds
[01:35] <heviarti> BP{k}: seriously.. Pakleds
[01:35] <hello_mot0> # ethtool -s eth0 speed 100 duplex full
[01:35] <hello_mot0> # ethtool -s eth0 speed 10 duplex half
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[01:35] <hello_mot0> whichg one to use?
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[01:36] <heviarti> set it to ten, see if it runs, then try 100.
[01:36] <BP{k}> hello_mot0: why do you use linux?
[01:36] <heviarti> BP{k}: 'cause he's three one three-three seven.
[01:37] <hello_mot0> I wanna learn slackare
[01:37] <heviarti> BP{k}: Cain't you tell
[01:37] <hello_mot0> slackware
[01:37] <hello_mot0> BP{k}
[01:38] <heviarti> i seriously don't think his first language is english.
[01:38] <BP{k}> heviarti: neither is mine.
[01:39] <BP{k}> hello_mot0: http://sweet.nodns4.us/ might proof to be a good start.
[01:39] <thumbs> BP{k}++
[01:39] <heviarti> BP{k}: yes, but you seems to have grammar.
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[01:40] <heviarti> BP{k}: my grammar in spanish, german, japanese, basque, and russian is an insult before god.. but i can make myself understood.
[01:41] <heviarti> a dictionary is a nice crutch, and i can read just about anything in a roman alphabet.. except dutch or polish..
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[01:41] <BP{k}> heviarti: haha :) I hear you, my Dutch (my mother tongue) is not as good as it once was, after living in the UK for quite a while. Less be said about my German and French the better. :)
[01:42] <heviarti> but the pronunciation rules are strange
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[01:43] <heviarti> how 'uys' ands up as 'ace'... and all the double vowels
[01:43] <heviarti> makes my head hurt.
[01:43] <heviarti> and I won't even start on Afrikaans...
[01:43] <BP{k}> haha, that's just a mix between Dutch, German and English ;)
[01:44] <heviarti> and then there's vietnamese...
[01:44] <heviarti> i just haven't quite figured out which diacritical marks mean which screwed up noise you make with the letter...
[01:45] <heviarti> and the abuse of the letter u by dutch...
[01:45] <hello_mot0> I have shortlisted the commands
[01:45] <hello_mot0> which one to run
[01:45] <hello_mot0> http://pastebin.com/dbfaf187
[01:45] <heviarti> try the one with the two digit number first and see if you get some life..
[01:46] <john_dee> [09:40]	heviarti: BP{k}: my grammar in spanish, german, japanese, basque, and russian is an insult before god..
[01:46] <john_dee> may i ask why is that? :]
[01:47] <heviarti> well, i don't use any of it near enough.. and some of the alternate forms certain workds take elude me
[01:47] <heviarti> words even
[01:48] <hello_mot0> THANKS ALL OF you
[01:48] <hello_mot0> I did run 2 commands
[01:48] <heviarti> oh for hells sake
[01:48] <hello_mot0> not sure whch one did the trick
[01:49] <heviarti> he completely missed the toubleshooting of trying half before full duplex
[01:49] <heviarti> i seriously need a bigger keyboard
[01:50] <hello_mot0> mii-tool -F 10baseT-HD
[01:50] <hello_mot0> ethtool -s eth0 speed 10 duplex half autoneg off
[01:51] <hello_mot0> Do I need both commands?
[01:51] <hello_mot0> I run these 2
[01:51] <heviarti> they both do about the same thing
[01:51] <hello_mot0> how to auto run when rc.inet1 script runs on system startup?
[01:51] <hello_mot0> ok heviarti
[01:52] <hello_mot0> I will see you from slackware soon
[01:52] <hello_mot0> its slackware 13
[01:52] <hello_mot0> wow
[01:52] <twolf> good luck
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[01:53] <hello_mot0> how to run that command when rc.inet1 script runs on system startup?
[01:53] <heviarti> put it in rc.local.
[01:54] <godling> hello_mot0: Is this your first time using Slackware?
[01:54] <hello_mot0> no
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[01:54] <hello_mot0> ok I will find out using slack book
[01:54] <hello_mot0> I have even installed freebsd
[01:54] <mrselfpwn> hello_mot0: is it 13 or -current?
[01:54] <hello_mot0> But I am not an expert in linux
[01:55] <BP{k}> no shit sugar.....
[01:55] <hello_mot0> dont know the exact version of sackware
[01:55] <hello_mot0> hehe
[01:55] <hello_mot0> menu is like vista
[01:55] <heviarti> BP{k}: heh
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[01:55] <hello_mot0> no problem I will do research
[01:55] <mrselfpwn>  okay, well nevermind then.
[01:55] <heviarti> we need some intro pages like OpenBSD...
[01:55] <BP{k}> hello_mot0: what is the output of: "cat /etc/*rsio*"
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[01:56] <heviarti> BP{k}: nice klutz-proof and cryptic command..
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[01:56] <hello_mot0> I can't paste output
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[01:57] <BP{k}> heviarti: can you tell I have dealt with that before ? ;)
[01:57] <mrselfpwn> Slackware 13.0.0.0.0?
[01:57] <hello_mot0> are you all experts?
[01:57] <twolf> can't paste output?
[01:57] <mrselfpwn> That was the exact same length as your sentence "can't paste outpute"
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[01:58] <hello_mot0> I am in xp and if I run in slackware then I need to get it with uSB disk
[01:58] <hello_mot0> it's a pain
[01:58] <mrselfpwn> oh i see
[01:58] <hello_mot0> let me go irc in slackware & talk ten
[01:58] <hello_mot0> then
[01:58] <BP{k}> hello_mot0: to your earlier question: I would edit /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 and add the needed lines at the top. That way you can be sure your card is set up rightly before the network is called
[01:58] <hello_mot0> ok
[01:58] <hello_mot0> I will do same
[01:59] <twolf> take notes
[01:59] <hello_mot0> done
[01:59] <hello_mot0> file saved
[02:00] <hello_mot0> talk to you later in few minutes...
[02:00] <hello_mot0> Bye & Thanks
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[02:00] <heviarti> let's see if he makes it back..
[02:01] <mrselfpwn> heh
[02:01] Action: BP{k} heads for the liquorcabinet.
[02:01] <heviarti> and lets see if he logs in as root
[02:01] <mrselfpwn> lol
[02:01] Action: twolf has a minifridge with 16 beers left under the desk
[02:02] Action: mrselfpwn has a minii fridge with four empty beer cans.
[02:02] <heviarti> i'm ircing from a bar.
[02:02] <mrselfpwn> haha
[02:02] <twolf> nice
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[02:02] <heviarti> i don't got no net at home
[02:02] <heviarti> in lethiopia
[02:02] <DrSausages> heviarti: You need to start going out with a men.
[02:03] <twolf> heviarti: lethiopia?
[02:03] <heviarti> Letha, Idaho twolf
[02:03] <twolf> heviarti: ahh I see
[02:04] <godling> Idaho?
[02:04] <godling> People live in Idaho?
[02:04] <mrselfpwn> ghosts
[02:04] <heviarti> they have DSL on either side of me... but not on my road..
[02:04] <heviarti> godling: yup.
[02:04] <twolf> I drove through Idaho on I-90
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[02:04] <godling> heviarti: like, people with thumbs?
[02:04] <heviarti> fo shizzle my knee-grizzle
[02:05] <heviarti> yup
[02:05] <mrselfpwn> that sounds painful
[02:05] <godling> living in Idaho? yeah
[02:05] <heviarti> you know.. there's a shortage of bimbos of adequate cheapness this evening.
[02:06] <twolf> it is beautiful there
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[02:06] <godling> Idaho is infested by Mormons.
[02:07] <godling> s/by/with/
[02:07] <heviarti> twolf: well.. i'm in a swampy area.
[02:07] <twolf> bogs suck
[02:07] <heviarti> godling: i didn't notice...
[02:07] <heviarti> no.. but really.. they're worse than roaches
[02:07] <godling> Now I wouldn't go that far.
[02:07] <heviarti> i can get away with squashing all the cockroaches i want
[02:08] <mrselfpwn> a friend of mine with the baptist church set off to mission to mormons in idaho.  he ended up getting hooked on meth.
[02:08] <godling> haha
[02:08] <heviarti> actually the problem isn't what they do right now, the problem will be the fact they'll get militant if things de-stabilize.
[02:08] <godling> People who are into that sort of thing in the first place are already a little imbalanced anyways, mrselfpwn.
[02:09] <godling> twolf: Bogs rule! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bog_bodies
[02:09] <heviarti> mrselfpwn: be glad he didn't go to joplin, mo.
[02:09] <mrselfpwn> yes i suppose so. he ended up getting clean luckily.
[02:09] <heviarti> now that's tweakerville..
[02:09] <twolf> godling: it is cool what you posted but they suck to try to walk through
[02:10] <heviarti> well.. it's not real boggy.. water table is just real high, and there are many sloughs
[02:10] <heviarti> however edible fowl are in abundance
[02:11] <godling> twolf: That's what airboats are for.
[02:11] <twolf> godling: indeed
[02:11] <godling> twolf: http://www.ronsguideservice.com/airboat-2006-diamondback.jpg
[02:11] <incucullo> mormons manage to get that feeling of superhuman strength and invincibility without that pesky meth mouth
[02:11] <godling> Let's see the Mormons try to mess with you in that thing.
[02:11] <heviarti> i don't need it. i got M14.
[02:12] <heviarti> dey got M16... I got M14.
[02:12] <mrselfpwn> no, that's a trolling motor. :P
[02:12] <godling> Are you using a laptop at the bar?
[02:13] <heviarti> yes
[02:13] <heviarti> yes I am
[02:13] <godling> I bet the women dig it.
[02:13] <heviarti> No bimbos of adequate cheapness to worry about
[02:13] <twolf> drink a few more beers and your standards should lower
[02:14] <heviarti> naw... i gotta drive home
[02:14] <mrselfpwn> a gorgous babe walks in and says to heviarti; "Is that Slackware you're running?"
[02:15] <mrselfpwn> gorgeous*
[02:15] <heviarti> why yes, would you like to fondle my inittab?
[02:15] <godling> Idaho, mrselfpwn.
[02:15] <mrselfpwn> oh, yes. :D
[02:15] <heviarti> godling: there are beautiful women here...
[02:15] <godling> http://www.ahajokes.com/cartoon/miss_idaho.jpg
[02:15] <heviarti> like megan ford.
[02:15] <twolf> there are beautiful women everywhere
[02:15] <mrselfpwn> lmao
[02:15] <heviarti> i so want to bone megan ford.
[02:16] <heviarti> unfortunately she does not take me seriously.
[02:16] <mrselfpwn> well they picked the dumbest chick in my state for Miss USA pageant.
[02:16] <mrselfpwn> I'm sure you've all heard of her.
[02:16] <godling> Do you tell her that you want to bone her?
[02:16] <godling> That might be a reason why.
[02:16] <mrselfpwn> Miss South Carolina...
[02:17] <fatalnix> what's new Folks?
[02:17] <twolf> you never know if you don't ask
[02:17] <heviarti> I've done everything but draw her a picture.
[02:17] <godling> Should I know the name Megan Ford?
[02:18] <godling> The beautiful landscapes of Idaho: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/idaho_bore1.jpg
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[02:18] <heviarti> godling: not that .... oooh titties
[02:19] <mrselfpwn> lol
[02:19] <nix_chix0r> hi
[02:19] <twolf> hi
[02:19] <mrselfpwn> hi nix_chix0r
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[02:19] <mrselfpwn> hi fatalnix
[02:19] <deco> hi nix_chix0r
[02:19] <nix_chix0r> still alive :) sup peeps
[02:19] <deco> hehe :)
[02:20] <mrselfpwn> good to hear
[02:20] <fire|bird> hey nix_chix0r, how's it going?
[02:20] <twolf> life is good
[02:20] <nix_chix0r> better yeah. you?
[02:20] <godling> ...unless you live in Idaho
[02:20] <heviarti> and one set i had really been wanting to see...
[02:22] <nix_chix0r> fire|bird, his dad is still in the psych unit  they are tryin to sort him out . went grocery shopping first time in 6 weeks and cleaned up so it feels good to just unwind
[02:22] <fire|bird> nix_chix0r: Are you back home or still in St. Paul?
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[02:26] <godling> YouTube is freaking retarded.
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[02:28] <deco> godling: i like the new channel layout thingy
[02:28] <godling> Is telling me to follow these instructions to close the account: http://www.google.com/support/youtube/bin/answer.py?answer=55759
[02:28] <godling> If I don't know the password/username how can I close the account? If I didn't set it up to begin with, why should I even need to bother?
[02:28] <godling> idiots
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[02:30] <spider1010> i went to iraq and forgot my gmail password and they won't give it back. that was like 3 months ago and i wanted to kill them
[02:30] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix
[02:30] <godling> "The email you entered is not on the system."
[02:30] <godling> fuck them
[02:30] <twolf> bastards
[02:30] <godling> email *account*
[02:31] <spider1010> spider1010@gmail.com
[02:31] <godling> That's like people saying referring to their internet.
[02:31] <heviarti> omfg
[02:31] <godling> s/saying//
[02:31] <spider1010> email me there and i will never get it
[02:31] <godling> wow, that was useful spider1010
[02:31] <godling> :P
[02:31] <twolf> spider1010: you in the service?
[02:32] <spider1010> yep
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[02:32] <fatalnix> It turns out we found a monitor and everything turned out alright.
[02:32] <fatalnix> What happened, is 2.6 would not load with 32 megs of ram.
[02:32] <fatalnix> so we ended up downloading slackware 11.
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[02:33] <fatalnix> Which made sense, I forgot about the huge kernels
[02:33] <godling> what are you on about, fatalnix?
[02:34] <heviarti> kernel bloat
[02:34] <heviarti> 2.6 unreliability
[02:35] <heviarti> inadequate boot kernels
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[02:36] <hello_mot0> hello
[02:36] <twolf> welcome back!
[02:36] <hello_mot0> yo
[02:36] <hello_mot0> I am in slackware
[02:36] <hello_mot0> add the ethtool command in rc.inet1
[02:36] <heviarti> fo' rizzle?
[02:36] <twolf> take notes?
[02:37] <hello_mot0> more notes?
[02:37] <hello_mot0> ok
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[02:37] <godling> heviarti: are you white?
[02:37] <spider1010> yea we are going to profile you!
[02:37] <godling> Nevermind, I believe it's obvious.
[02:37] <spider1010> j/k
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[02:37] <heviarti> godling: and ethnically jewish.
[02:37] <godling> ;P
[02:38] <dartmouth> do -any- of the public slackware mirrors have the dvd iso?
[02:38] <mrselfpwn> they have non-caucasions in idaho?
[02:38] <MLanden> heya,slackers... how's everyone?
[02:38] <twolf> dartmouth: bittorrent
[02:38] <godling> they definitely have non-occasions in Idaho.
[02:38] <dartmouth> twolf: need it faster than that
[02:38] <twolf> MLanden: good thanks, you?
[02:38] <heviarti> mrselfpwn: yeah. alot of japanese, mexicans, and the occasional african-american.
[02:38] <mrselfpwn> oh, i must be thinking of minnotata
[02:39] <mrselfpwn> minnasota
[02:39] <heviarti> mrselfpwn: and indians.
[02:39] <godling> Minnesota
[02:39] <heviarti> dot and feather
[02:39] <MLanden> doin' fine thanks  twolf
[02:39] <mrselfpwn> godling: thank you
[02:39] <godling> Mississippi!
[02:39] <twolf> dartmouth: I keep the current release torrent open till the next one, can't help you I guess
[02:39] <godling> no crooked letters or humpbacks!
[02:39] <twolf> uploaded 2.3 TB of 13.0 so far
[02:40] <spider1010> http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso
[02:40] <spider1010> thats for the usa
[02:40] <hello_mot0> uname -a
[02:40] <hello_mot0> cat /proc/version
[02:40] <hello_mot0> this doesn't tell slackware version
[02:40] <heviarti> no. no it does not
[02:41] <twolf> hello_mot0: cat /etc/slackware-version
[02:41] <hello_mot0> ok
[02:41] <mrselfpwn> cat /etc/*rsio*
[02:41] <godling> deja vu
[02:41] <hello_mot0> 13.0.0.0.0
[02:41] <heviarti> pakleds
[02:41] <heviarti> frickin PAKLEDS
[02:41] <hello_mot0> beryl will look awesome in slack 13
[02:41] <MLanden> seen it all before,godling?
[02:41] <hello_mot0> my vga doesn't support that
[02:41] <hello_mot0> sigh
[02:42] <deco> godling: grow up
[02:42] <deco> seriously
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[02:42] <mrselfpwn> hello_mot0: what card do you have?
[02:42] <hello_mot0> onboard
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[02:42] <hello_mot0> my other system supports beryl requiremens
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[02:43] <godling> What'd I do?
[02:43] <MLanden> hello_mot0: intel? ati?
[02:43] <heviarti> never heard of beryl
[02:43] <godling> heviarti: compositing wm
[02:43] <hello_mot0> intel
[02:43] <godling> fork of compiz, etc
[02:43] <hello_mot0> beryl, compiz are eye candy effects
[02:43] <hello_mot0> I love beryl
[02:43] <heviarti> I'm waiting for 5d to be working
[02:43] <twolf> compiz was a fork of beryl, no?
[02:43] <MLanden> hello_mot0: which series? 8xx? 9xx?
[02:43] <heviarti> try as i might, I can't get openmotif to compile
[02:43] <ferdna> do any of you knows how to remove the desktop menu in XFCE4?
[02:43] <godling> No, twolf
[02:43] <hello_mot0> MLanden,  dont  know
[02:43] <BP{k}> twolf: other way arround IIRC ..
[02:44] <twolf> ahh I see
[02:44] <godling> 23:43 < godling> fork of compiz, etc
[02:44] <heviarti> and the program I *REALLY* want won't compile either
[02:44] <BP{k}> Beryl was a compositing window manager for the X Window System which forked from Compiz in September 2006 and was re-merged in 2007
[02:44] <godling> :P
[02:44] <heviarti> I want fsv to run sooooooo bad..
[02:44] <mrselfpwn> hello_mot0: lspci |grep VGA
[02:44] <hello_mot0> command not found
[02:44] <hello_mot0> I am not root
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[02:44] <heviarti> I installed gtkglarea... but the damn thing won't find it.
[02:44] <hello_mot0> sudoroot
[02:45] <hello_mot0> command not found
[02:45] <BP{k}> then use /sbin/lspci | grep VGA
[02:45] <hello_mot0> difference between terminal & terminal emulator?
[02:46] <mrselfpwn> hello_mot0: you have to set up sudo in slackware with visudo
[02:46] <hello_mot0> MLanden,  : 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 10)
[02:46] <hello_mot0> will it support beryl?
[02:46] <BP{k}> hello_mot0: beryl doesn't exist anymore.
[02:46] <hello_mot0> I know
[02:46] <heviarti> anyone her gotten fsv to compile?
[02:46] <hello_mot0> will it support compiz?
[02:46] <heviarti> s/her/here/
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[02:46] <hello_mot0> I mean to ask
[02:47] <heviarti> and how did you do it
[02:47] <hello_mot0> does my system fulfils the requirements?
[02:47] <heviarti> ?
[02:47] <godling> hello_mot0: tias
[02:47] <hello_mot0> tias = ?
[02:47] <heviarti> BP{k}: how bout you? fsv?
[02:47] <godling> try it. and see.
[02:47] <BP{k}> heviarti: what is fsv?
[02:48] <heviarti> BP{k}: file system visualizer
[02:48] <heviarti> BP{k}: I've been trying to get it to run since slack 7.0
[02:48] <BP{k}> heviarti: stop watching jurasic park dammit ;)
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[02:48] <heviarti> BP{k}: i could give a crap about jurassic park.
[02:49] <heviarti> BP{k}: I like the interface
[02:49] <MLanden> hello_mot0: it should be compatible
[02:49] <BP{k}> heviarti: to be honest. I don't think I would be too arsed about a program that is dead for the last 8+ years.
[02:50] <hello_mot0> MLanden,
[02:50] <hello_mot0> ok
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[02:50] <hello_mot0> I will try
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[02:50] <heviarti> BP{k}: apparently the ubuntu people are getting it to work..
[02:50] <mrselfpwn> hello_mot0: you can try.  google first if you want to know for sure
[02:50] <mrselfpwn> i'm not familar with that particular intel chip
[02:50] <hello_mot0> ok
[02:51] <hello_mot0> isn't compiz comes with slackware?
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[02:51] <heviarti> BP{k}: but try as i might it won't find gtkglarea... i've installed it, and pointed it at the lib dir..
[02:52] <MLanden> mrselfpwn: same here
[02:52] <hello_mot0> any command byw hich I can check the compatibility?
[02:53] <BP{k}> heviarti: no idea .. sorry.
[02:53] <mrselfpwn> hello_mot0: glxinfo should tell you something.
[02:54] <hello_mot0> http://pastebin.com/d450a0fc9
[02:55] <fatalnix> godling: the thing this morning i was asking about serial consoles
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[02:56] <hello_mot0> it needs 64 mb vga memory
[02:56] <hello_mot0> I doubt my card has that
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[02:58] <mrselfpwn> hello_mot0: yes, it seems it will work. though some people have noticed more than usual lower performance with compiz on while using that car.
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[02:59] <BP{k}> heviarti: there is a good chance that ubuntu patches the hell out of it to make it work.
[02:59] <mrselfpwn> this is for sabayon linux though it's general enough to help; http://forum.sabayonlinux.org/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=15162
[02:59] <heviarti> argh! stupid source rpms
[02:59] <hcfd> Just a quick one here: Is it not altogether unsurprising that I can't get an S3 Virge GX PCI to work alongside a dualhead Nvidia 8400GS PCI-E, even when using vesa drivers and very basic, explicit xorg.conf settings?
[02:59] <mrselfpwn> hello_mot0: ^
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[03:01] <hello_mot0> yes
[03:02] <MLanden> hello_mot0: another thing to put in mind may be with the newer drivers using UXA and GEM for 3d acelleration(Slackware 13) compared to with the older drivers using EXA/XAA with GlCore(Slackware 12.2)
[03:03] <heviarti> dammit...
[03:04] <heviarti> this is starting to tick me off....
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[03:04] <heviarti> i can't find raw source for gtkglarea
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[03:04] <heviarti> just source rpms that i can't do anything with
[03:04] <mrselfpwn> hello_mot0: i was just pointing you up to that link i posted.  it basically tells you to disable some things for better performance.
[03:04] <hello_mot0> ok
[03:05] <hello_mot0> where is the link?
[03:05] <hello_mot0> my lilo can't add windows partition
[03:05] <hello_mot0> it gives error
[03:05] <_MaggoT_> download via torrent very slow :(
[03:06] <mrselfpwn> hello_mot0: here is another good guide i've found useful albeit using it's for gentoo though it's mostly linux generic.
[03:07] <mrselfpwn> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Intel_GMA
[03:07] <hello_mot0> ok
[03:07] <mrselfpwn> and the first link I gave; http://forum.sabayonlinux.org/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=15162
[03:09] <hello_mot0> yeah got it
[03:09] <hello_mot0> need flash package for slackware
[03:09] <hello_mot0> linuxpackages.net not opening
[03:09] <_MaggoT_> mrselfpwn can i upgrade my slackware 12.0 to slackware 13.0 without downloading new slackware 13.0 ISO?
[03:09] <mrselfpwn> 12.0?  It's not a good idea.
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[03:10] <mrselfpwn> Though possible.
[03:10] <mrselfpwn> 12.2 yes it's easy.
[03:10] <MLanden> possible but way too big a jump...:D
[03:10] <server_side> insalled slackware:)
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[03:11] <_MaggoT_> need 4 day to finish my download new slackware :(
[03:11] <server_side> how can i get it to startx auto at boot?
[03:11] <MLanden> hello_mot0:  might want to try the slackbuild http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/multimedia/flash-player-plugin/ few changes have been made to the plugin
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[03:13] <mrselfpwn> _Maggot_: If you don't use kde then you can download directly the slackware folders using something like rsync and exclude kde and kdei directories.
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[03:13] <hello_mot0> ok
[03:13] <MLanden> server_side: using kde4 or xfce?
[03:14] <mrselfpwn> _MaggoT_: That will knock the download down by over half.
[03:14] <server_side> MLanden, xfce
[03:15] <MLanden> server_side: use the slackbuild for gdm .. it's got a setup for autologin
[03:15] <server_side> MLanden, gnome?
[03:16] <mrselfpwn> server_side: or you can use something like slim login manager which is more lightweight.  just remember to read the slackbuild readme and slackware readme on slackbuilds.org.
[03:16] <MLanden> server_side: originally for gnome but can be used with xfce as well as other WM/DE's like fluxbox,blackbox etc
[03:17] <mrselfpwn> either one will work.
[03:17] <MLanden> true
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[03:18] <_MaggoT_> mrselfpwn : ok thx
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[03:18] <server_side> i have an nvidia card
[03:18] <mrselfpwn> i think slim is a little more difficult only because you have to manually add it to start in rc.4
[03:18] <server_side> is it possible to install nvidia drivers on slackware
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[03:18] <thumbs> server_side: yes.
[03:19] <server_side> thumbs, is there any documentation on it?
[03:19] <hello_mot0> package management changes in SL 13?
[03:19] <hello_mot0> pkgtool
[03:19] <hello_mot0> installpkg not working
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[03:19] <mrselfpwn> server_side: nvidia-kernel and nvidia-driver again at slackbuilds.org.
[03:20] <thumbs> hello_mot0: define not working
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[03:20] <hello_mot0> ?
[03:20] <hello_mot0> define?
[03:20] <hello_mot0> command not found I am getting
[03:20] <thumbs> hello_mot0: tell us what you mean by not working
[03:20] <mrselfpwn> hello_mot0: are you root?
[03:20] <hello_mot0> yo
[03:20] <hello_mot0> sudo root
[03:20] <mrselfpwn> no
[03:21] <mrselfpwn> that won't work.
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[03:21] <hello_mot0> yeah
[03:21] <hello_mot0> I just noticed
[03:21] <hello_mot0> su root
[03:21] <thumbs> su -
[03:21] <mrselfpwn> su to become root or use visudo to add your user for sudo commands
[03:21] <hello_mot0> flash installed
[03:21] <hello_mot0> ok
[03:21] <thumbs> then run pkgtool / installpkg
[03:22] <mrselfpwn> hello_mot0: man visudo
[03:22] <hello_mot0> ok
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[03:23] <server_side> so slackbuild is the main reps to use with slackware then?
[03:24] <thumbs> server_side: no.
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[03:24] <thumbs> server_side: it's intended to be used for packages not provided by official mirrors.
[03:24] <hello_mot0> thanks all
[03:24] <hello_mot0> thanks mrselfpwn
[03:24] <server_side> ok cool, just gotta figure how to install it now lol
[03:24] <hello_mot0> Bye
[03:24] <thumbs> server_side: however, it is trusted, and most other common packages can be found there.
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[03:24] <thumbs> server_side: you should install sbopkg
[03:26] <server_side> thumbs, may i as what that is?
[03:27] <thumbs> it allows you to keep track of changes with slackbuilds
[03:27] <thumbs> so if you install package xyz from slackbuilds.org, you can run sbopkg update && sbopkg upgrade-all
[03:28] <server_side> im really new to slackware so my first port of call i knowing how to install a program lol
[03:28] <server_side> oh ok cool
[03:28] <thumbs> server_side: see the FAQ on www.slackbuilds.org
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[03:33] <mmlj4> I'm getting an error that on other distros looks like a missing ncurses-devel package.... what would that translate to on slack? (or any generic devel package?... does slack use that at all?)
[03:34] <server_side> i dont understand where i download chemtool from?
[03:34] <thumbs> server_side: read the FAQ on www.slackbuilds.org
[03:35] <thumbs> mmlj4: slackware does not use -devel packages.
[03:35] <heviarti> why is everything rpm crap
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[03:36] <mmlj4> thumbs: then... what woud cause this (and about a dozen other related errors): /usr/lib/gcc/i486-slackware-linux/4.2.4/../../../libreadline.so: undefined reference to `tgetflag'
[03:37] <thumbs> mmlj4: when do you get that, exactly?
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[03:37] <mmlj4> when trying to compile brs (bible retrieval system)
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[03:38] <thumbs> mmlj4: from a slackbuild?
[03:38] <thumbs> mmlj4: what version of slackware is this?
[03:38] <mrselfpwn> mmlj4: did you update any core system packages?
[03:39] <mmlj4> no, not from slackbuilds
[03:40] <mrselfpwn> not sure if this is exactly what you need though might help; https://issues.asterisk.org/view.php?id=1682
[03:40] <mmlj4> actually, wait, that's when trying debian's version of the source... when I try the maintainer's version, I get other errors... forget what I said before, it makes more sense to work on those errors
[03:41] <thumbs> mmlj4: the debian sources are patched, and unusable.
[03:41] <heviarti> anyone know if gtk 1.2 and 2.0 can coexist?
[03:41] <mmlj4> lemme put up my actual errors, one second
[03:41] <mmlj4> thumbs: i agree
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[03:42] <mmlj4> ok, here is vanilla source, and the errors I get: http://joeykelly.net/hacks/linux/brs-on-slack.txt
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[03:45] <mmlj4> here's the software I'm trying to compile: http://www.boutell.com/lsm/lsmbyid.cgi/000544
[03:46] <mancha> it's probably a gcc issue
[03:46] <thumbs> mmlj4: what version of slackware is this?
[03:47] <mmlj4> 12.0
[03:48] <thumbs> mmlj4: and what is your version of gcc?
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[03:48] <mmlj4> 4.2.4
[03:49] <stillborn> hello, is it possible to remove XFCE menu entries from KDE menu, so that XFCE menu entries still show on XFCE
[03:49] <thumbs> mmlj4: 12.0 ships with 4.1.2
[03:49] <thumbs> mmlj4: how did you update gcc, exactly?
[03:50] <mmlj4> slackpkg update && slackpkg upgrade-all
[03:51] <thumbs> mmlj4: 4.2.4 was not provided for 12.0
[03:51] <mmlj4> then how'd I get it?
[03:51] <thumbs> mmlj4: you used the wrong mirror, and the wrong version
[03:52] <thumbs> mmlj4: 12.2 shipped with 4.2.4
[03:52] <mmlj4> hrm? oops, heh, I apparently jumped to slack 12.2, I guess I forgot to edit the file that slackpkg looks for
[03:53] <mmlj4> ...which is just great... I maintain 12.0 boxen, and was using this as a dev/staging platform
[03:53] <thumbs> mmlj4: installing 12.2 packages on 12.0 will create issues.
[03:53] <mmlj4> no, I'm no longer on 12.0 now, apparently
[03:53] <mmlj4> root@slackoff:~# cat /etc/slackware-version                 Slackware 12.2.0
[03:53] <thumbs> mmlj4: cat /etc/slackware-version
[03:53] <mancha> your gc is probably too new
[03:53] <thumbs> mmlj4: well, this changes things.
[03:53] <mmlj4> nuts
[03:54] <mancha> put another way, your program is too old. you will probably have to patch it a bit
[03:54] <mmlj4> I'm glad this got caught, I was in for major problems on Monday
[03:54] <mmlj4> mancha: yes, I understand that GCC has outrun the app I'm trying to install
[03:55] <mancha> ok, wasn't sure...didn't want to get misinterpreted to mean you needed to downgrade gcc :)
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[03:55] <thumbs> mmlj4: I run 12.2 here, let me try quick
[03:56] <mmlj4> no, I need to put up another vmware image and STAY on 12.0, to do my staging
[03:56] <thumbs> mmlj4: oh.
[03:56] <mmlj4> but let's work on what I've got
[03:56] <thumbs> mmlj4: no need to try on my box?
[03:56] <mmlj4> thumbs: by all means, please give it a whirl
[03:57] <thumbs> do I download the bible, or client tarball?
[03:57] <mmlj4> the bible program isn't essential on the production server
[03:57] <mmlj4> I think the client is unneeded
[03:58] <mmlj4> it's merely for querying a box somewhere on the net... and that box has probably long ago been decommissioned...
[03:58] <thumbs> squish.c:833: error: incompatible implicit declaration of function 'malloc'
[03:58] <mmlj4> get the bible tarball
[03:58] <thumbs> mmlj4: I get the same.
[03:59] <mmlj4> right... the stuff I'm getting
[03:59] <MLanden> tried the same tarball and came with an incompatibility with malloc as well(12.2)
[03:59] <thumbs> mmlj4: so see with 4.1.2
[03:59] <mmlj4> well, debian and freebsd have both patched the thing to work on modern compiler versions
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[04:00] <mmlj4> thumbs: this software is at least a decade old, maybe 2 decades
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[04:00] <mancha> use their patches then, it'll save you the trouble
[04:00] <thumbs> then you'll need to obtain their patches
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[04:00] <mmlj4> right... I'll have to slog through to see what they've done
[04:00] <thumbs> mmlj4: good luck
[04:01] <mmlj4> heh, I'll need it
[04:02] <mmlj4> if I can get it to work, I'll do an sbo port of it
[04:02] <mancha> can you link me to the debian patches?
[04:02] <thumbs> mmlj4: good man
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[04:04] <server_side> simple login manager, i have to create an init script i think, sounds daunting...
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[04:07] <mancha> ok, i think i fund the issue
[04:07] <mmlj4> hrm, someone's compiled this for slack (dunno yet which version): http://apollo.lsc.vsc.edu/~tuckerm/slackware/#brs
[04:08] <mmlj4> ok, 10.0
[04:08] <mancha> mmlkj4, go to squish.c, line 481 and remove *malloc();
[04:08] <mancha> the line should read: char *cp, *rindex();
[04:10] <mancha> probably not enough, but on the right path
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[04:12] <mmlj4> thanks
[04:13] <med\weed> well
[04:14] <med\weed> i've got to say i was inpressed with how slack ran very fast even with lots of stuff installed.
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[04:14] <med\weed> obviously not a lot of services.
[04:14] <med\weed> however i would strongly suggest putting a much larger repo set available, and do some SEO optimization to get indexed by google.
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[04:14] <med\weed> the OS is awesome, but i would say more work than it should be, as the repositories have a very irregular selection of packages
[04:15] <med\weed> thanks for the shot - now i can say ive ran it at least lol
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[04:20] <mmlj4> problem solved... someone's already taken the time to update it to a modern GCC, and for slack: http://dvc.org.uk/sketches/brs.html
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[04:21] <MLanden> congrats on the find,mmlj4
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[04:22] <mmlj4> it compiles and runs, I'm happy
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[04:24] <mancha> glad you found it [mancha 17:12]
[04:26] <mmlj4> heh
[04:27] <mmlj4> sleep &
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[04:28] <MLanden> mmlj4: be a good program to use with conky
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[04:29] <StevenR> hmmm. anyone on -current, just upgraded pidgin.... It doesn't seem to have any icons any more.
[04:29] <StevenR> Anyone else noticed this?
[04:29] <mancha> yes, someone mentioned it today
[04:30] <mancha> forget who, but its nowa known fubar
[04:30] <StevenR> anyone reported it to PatV?
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[04:41] <Camarade_Tux> PatV looks like SysV :)
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[04:42] <MLanden> Bon martin ,Camarade_Tux .. How are you?
[04:43] <Camarade_Tux> hey MLanden, fine, and you? :)
[04:43] <Camarade_Tux> (but my name is not Martin :D )
[04:43] <wertik_rus> :)
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[04:44] <MLanden> lol...doin' fine,Camarade_Tux
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[04:47] <MLanden> lol..ouch...meant to type matin
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[04:48] <Camarade_Tux>  ^^
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[04:55] <metrofox> hi there!
[04:55] <MLanden> hiya ,metrofox
[04:56] <metrofox> y0 MLanden
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[04:58] <Camarade_Tux> hey metrofox
[04:59] <metrofox> hey Camarade_Tux, what's up?
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[05:00] <Camarade_Tux> (wlan0? ><)
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[05:00] <Camarade_Tux> metrofox: nice cloudy weather but fine otherwise :)
[05:01] <metrofox> Camarade_Tux, here it's rainy, better for me :P
[05:01] <Camarade_Tux> and for you?
[05:01] <Camarade_Tux> metrofox: where do you live in Italy?
[05:01] <metrofox> Camarade_Tux, I just woke up
[05:01] <metrofox> Camarade_Tux, yes =)
[05:02] <Camarade_Tux> but where? North?
[05:02] <metrofox> Camarade_Tux, south, Sicily =)
[05:02] <metrofox> Palermo
[05:02] <mancha> watch it or he'll make you an offer you can't refuse
[05:03] <Camarade_Tux> ok, I'm in the south of france so I was wondering if I were going to have the same weather as you ;p
[05:03] <Camarade_Tux> mancha: hahaha :P
[05:04] <metrofox> :P
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[05:05] <metrofox> no mancha, don't worry, I'm not this kind of persona...
[05:06] <mancha> that's what you say now, but if i mistreat your sister i'll sleep with the fishes....
[05:06] <metrofox> mancha, yes you will...
[05:07] <MLanden> or make him sing soprano....:P
[05:07] <metrofox> but if you won't mistreat anybody I won't even touch you :P
[05:07] <metrofox> or I'll make you sleep with an horse's head in your bad... LOL
[05:08] <MLanden> lol
[05:08] <sahko> mancha: gnutls was upgraded in -current
[05:08] <sahko> oh since its security i guess everywhere else too
[05:09] <mancha> sahko, great news! i didn't notice this, was this today?
[05:09] <sahko> yeah
[05:09] <mrselfpwn> awesomeee
[05:10] <mancha> sahko, ok so maybe emailing pat is not in vain, i have many more things to send in
[05:10] <mrselfpwn> apparently not on slackware.no yet
[05:12] <mancha> sahko, thanks for the heads up
[05:13] <sahko> :)
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[05:16] <metrofox> is partitionmanager stable now?
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[05:25] <server_side> when i log into kde as root i get sound but when i log in as a another user my sound controller does not work. any ideas?
[05:26] <mrselfpwn> add your user to the audio group?
[05:26] <server_side> audio group?
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[05:26] <wertik_rus> yes
[05:26] <server_side> ok, i never knew that
[05:26] <wertik_rus> me too)
[05:26] <wertik_rus> but this is worked)
[05:26] <mrselfpwn> check your users groups by typing groups at the command prompt
[05:27] <mrselfpwn> as that user or as root type groups <user>
[05:27] <mrselfpwn> fill in <user> with the user name of course
[05:27] <spook> note to self, when trying to run a completely diskless node, don't forget to append root=/dev/ram0 at boot.
[05:28] <mrselfpwn> spook: thanks, but I already knew that.
[05:28] <mrselfpwn> :P
[05:28] <spook> mrselfpwn: i completely forgot and was wondering why it wasnt working :(
[05:29] <mrselfpwn> hope it didn't cost you too much time. :)
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[05:29] <The-Croupier> greets
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[05:29] <spook> nah its okay, meant that i tuned everything in an attempt to get it working, so it works really well :)
[05:29] <mrselfpwn> oh good nice.
[05:30] <MLanden> heya, The-Croupier
[05:30] <mrselfpwn> greetings The-Croupier
[05:30] <The-Croupier> hows it going guys?
[05:30] <mrselfpwn> i don't know how, but it is
[05:31] <The-Croupier> vc032x: probe of 1-4:1.0 failed with error -22
[05:31] <The-Croupier> anybody knows what this is?
[05:31] <The-Croupier> i get lots of these on load
[05:32] <MLanden> The-Croupier: web camera?
[05:33] <The-Croupier> MLanden: is there a way to make it NOT load in the beginning?
[05:34] <The-Croupier> the module seems to be this gspca_vc032x
[05:34] <mancha> add it to the blacklist
[05:34] <MLanden> The-Croupier: try blacklisting it
[05:35] <The-Croupier>  ok thanks guys..ill try
[05:35] <The-Croupier> ;)
[05:35] <mancha>  /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist or sommit
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[05:40] <The-Croupier> thanks
[05:40] <The-Croupier> blacklist.conf
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[05:42] <mrselfpwn> do you actually own that kind of cam The-Croupier ?
[05:43] <The-Croupier> i think i do ..:(
[05:43] <mrselfpwn> okay
[05:43] <mrselfpwn> you will need to modprobe it in if you want to use it then
[05:44] <The-Croupier> i have the laptop for like 3years nearly...never never used the camera
[05:44] <mrselfpwn> okay, easy enough.
[05:44] <The-Croupier> tried once..installed kopete for like 20mins then got tired
[05:44] <The-Croupier> ;)
[05:44] <The-Croupier> tired + bored
[05:44] <mrselfpwn> yeah
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[05:45] <mrselfpwn> i hardly use my camera.
[05:45] <MLanden> The-Croupier: which laptop?
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[06:00] <The-Croupier> aspire5680 acer
[06:01] <MLanden> ok..thanks
[06:01] <packeteer> i have a mbp, and i've used the camera 3 or 4 times, but the previous machine was an acer and i used it like twice in 3 years
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[06:10] Action: slackie hi there \o
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[06:16] <Camarade_Tux> but I'm only trying to eject a CD with dbus-send, why does it have to be so difficult? ='(
[06:16] <Camarade_Tux> hi slackie
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[06:17] <MLanden> Camarade_Tux: Is it giving errors?
[06:17] <sahko> im surprised CDs havent been marked as deprecated yet
[06:18] <Camarade_Tux> MLanden:
[06:18] <Camarade_Tux> Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "Unmount" with signature "as" on interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" doesn't exist
[06:19] <Camarade_Tux> sahko: I actually don't want to eject a CD but rather to open the tray (just like "eject" does)
[06:19] <Camarade_Tux> I'm experimenting with dbus for an application I'm writing, I'm going to use dbus as an IPC mechanism
[06:19] <Camarade_Tux> well, if I can figure it out that is
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[06:25] <Camarade_Tux> how can I find the UUID for a volume?
[06:26] <sahko> see /dev/disk/by-uuid/ ?
[06:26] <Camarade_Tux> sahko: good idea ;p
[06:27] <Camarade_Tux> doesn't seem to pick my /dev/dvd up :o
[06:27] <sahko> is it mounted?
[06:28] <Camarade_Tux> not yet
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[06:29] <Camarade_Tux> once mounted it doesn't appear either
[06:29] <Camarade_Tux> or maybe it doesn't have one
[06:29] <Camarade_Tux> it's a CD (maybe blank)
[06:29] <sahko> dont know
[06:30] <Camarade_Tux> I wonder how you can mount a cd/dvd without a device uuid through hal then ><
[06:30] <Camarade_Tux> someone should make a zsh tab-completion for dbus-send xD
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[06:30] <pprkut> Camarade_Tux: try vol_id
[06:31] <pprkut> vol_id -u
[06:32] <Camarade_Tux> he
[06:32] <Camarade_Tux>  vol_id -u
[06:32] <Camarade_Tux> no device
[06:32] <Camarade_Tux> oh, ok :D
[06:32] <Camarade_Tux> 'vol_id -u /dev/dvd' returned 4
[06:32] <Camarade_Tux> (as exit code I mean)
[06:33] <wertik_rus> volname
[06:33] <wertik_rus> )
[06:33] <Camarade_Tux> "CDROM"
[06:33] <wertik_rus> i think this is not blank
[06:33] <wertik_rus> CD
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[06:45] <Camarade_Tux> woot, I got one, managed to send "reprobe" for an external mouse
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[06:48] <Camarade_Tux> lshal, lshal, lshal!
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[06:49] <MLanden> Camarade_Tux: w00t.....reel 'em in...:P
[06:49] <server_side> how do i stop x?
[06:50] <Camarade_Tux> server_side: using kde? kdm? local? remote?
[06:50] <Camarade_Tux> MLanden: \o/
[06:50] <server_side> kde
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[06:50] <Camarade_Tux> the nice thing with hal is that root can't do what it used to do easily
[06:51] <MLanden> server_side: Are you logged in at init 4?
[06:51] <server_side> MLanden, yes
[06:51] <server_side> MLanden, i have changed the innitab to 3 again but still logging in as 4
[06:51] <MLanden> server_side: go to root in console and type init 3
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[06:54] <Camarade_Tux> I'm member of "users sys wheel floppy audio video cdrom plugdev power netdev vboxusers", could I be missing something for eject/umount to work with hal?
[06:54] <Camarade_Tux> trying with sudo doesn't work either (hmmm)
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[07:06] <_MaggoT_> hello
[07:06] <server_side> can i boot the nvidia settings as root from konsole?
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[07:09] <Camarade_Tux> server_side: with X running or not?
[07:09] <Camarade_Tux> hi mancha
[07:09] <Camarade_Tux> bah :)
[07:09] <Camarade_Tux> hi _MaggoT_
[07:09] <server_side> x running
[07:09] <Camarade_Tux> server_side: sure
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[07:09] <Camarade_Tux> were you expecting any problem?
[07:09] <MLanden> heya, _MaggoT_
[07:11] <_MaggoT_> cannot wait to install slackware on my system :p
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[07:11] <_MaggoT_> 6 hour very long long loooong :(
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[07:13] <Camarade_Tux> downloading?
[07:13] <_MaggoT_> yeah
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[07:15] <server_side> Camarade_Tux, sorry about that, my son turn the electric off lol
[07:15] <_MaggoT_> lol
[07:15] <server_side> Camarade_Tux, could you please tell me how i can boot nvidia settings as root?
[07:17] <Camarade_Tux> server_side: just "nvidia-settings", no?
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[07:18] <server_side> Camarade_Tux, i get an error @ undefined protocol
[07:18] <server_side> Camarade_Tux, the control display is undefined
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[07:18] <rk4n3> question:  how do I find out what module my SATA controller uses ?  The huge kernel supports it, and it looks like its ata_piix, but there's no such module anymore
[07:21] <Camarade_Tux> server_side: are you sure you're running the nvidia driver?
[07:21] <Camarade_Tux> rk4n3: I don't think it's ata_piix if it's sata
[07:21] <Camarade_Tux> rk4n3: which controller btw?
[07:22] <rk4n3> Intel 82801FBM Ultra ATA Storage Controller - 2653
[07:23] <Camarade_Tux> it's not sata then
[07:23] <Camarade_Tux> and are you running a huge kernel?
[07:24] <rk4n3> I want to run the generic kernel - the huge.s boots fine and sees the drive as sda, but when I boot the generic it doesn't see it
[07:24] <rk4n3> its a solid-state HD, too
[07:25] <rk4n3> do I need pata-mpiix then ?
[07:25] <server_side> Camarade_Tux, how can i check?
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[07:25] <Camarade_Tux> server_side: does performance suck?
[07:25] <rg3> rk4n3: lspci -v may tell you the driver in use
[07:25] <server_side> no its lovely to be honest.
[07:25] <server_side> i have the settings open
[07:25] <rg3> rk4n3: for example, in my case:         Kernel driver in use: pata_sis
[07:26] <server_side> but because i am not root i cant sabve my settings to the xorg.conf
[07:26] <Camarade_Tux> rk4n3: sd* doesn't always mean sata btw
[07:26] <rk4n3> ah
[07:26] <XGizzmo> yeah in newer kernels even pata show up as sdX
[07:27] <Camarade_Tux> server_side: try running it as "sudo nvidia-settings" then
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[07:28] <_maxiwll_ar> anyone here uses slackfire? good is it?
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[07:28] <Camarade_Tux> what's slackfire?
[07:28] <rg3> google says an iptables script
[07:29] <_maxiwll_ar> is a firewall script
[07:29] <rg3> i wrote my 6 iptables rules years ago and never looked back :)
[07:29] <Camarade_Tux> well, you might try it, you'll have to read the rules anyway
[07:29] <Camarade_Tux> rg3: what are they?
[07:29] <rk4n3> OK, so "hugesmp.s root=/dev/sda1 rdinit= ro" gets me booted to my system fine ... how do I figure out which module is built into hugesmp.s that's working for my controller ?
[07:30] <rg3> Camarade_Tux: these ones: http://www.pastebin.ca/1626876
[07:30] <Camarade_Tux> rk4n3: read the kernel doc? ;-)
[07:30] <Camarade_Tux> rk4n3: you have the kernel sources?
[07:31] <jonsmith1982> _maxiwll_ar, I use slackfire.
[07:31] <rk4n3> its says ata_piix, as does the hardware4linux entry for the hardware
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[07:31] <rk4n3> ... but there's no ata_piix module anywhere
[07:31] <Camarade_Tux> rg3: hmm, I'll have to take a deeper look at iptables ;p
[07:31] <_maxiwll_ar> jonsmith1982, good or even had any problem with it?
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[07:32] <jonsmith1982> _maxiwll_ar, seems to do the job quite well, although this time round i had to edit the script alittle because iptables was complaining.
[07:34] <Camarade_Tux> rk4n3: well, include more than needed, reboot on the initrd, try lspci -v
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[07:34] <XGizzmo> maybe its the filesystem an not the controller.
[07:34] <_maxiwll_ar> thanks
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[07:39] <mrselfpwn> Is it faster to transfer from the same partition on one disk to another partition on the same disk or to transfer to another hard disk altogether, but the other hard disk having lower rpm?
[07:40] <mrselfpwn> example, disk one is 10k rpm disk two is 7200 rpm.
[07:40] <mancha> other?
[07:40] <TwinReverb> one hard drive to another altogether
[07:41] <mrselfpwn> okay, that's what I was thinking.
[07:41] <mancha> the speed in #1 would have to be a LOT faster for within disk to be faster than between disks
[07:41] <mrselfpwn> yes, i guess atleast 4x 7200?
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[07:43] <Camarade_Tux> even with perfect hard drives, it'd be > twice the speed of the second one
[07:43] <Camarade_Tux> which means that if you have a 15k disk, feel free to send it to me :)
[07:44] <mrselfpwn> haha
[07:44] <mrselfpwn> for testing?
[07:44] <mrselfpwn> you'll get back to me with the results i suppose. :P
[07:45] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, full testing, including life-expectancy ones -_-
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[07:45] <mrselfpwn> XD
[07:45] Action: metrofox can't move, he ate too much
[07:45] <yesyes> fatfox
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[07:45] <metrofox> yeah... 3 big lasagne
[07:45] <yesyes> fuckingfatfox
[07:45] <mrselfpwn> mmm.. lasagne
[07:45] <Camarade_Tux> metrofox: thanks, I was going to forget the egg on the pizza! :D
[07:46] <metrofox> Camarade_Tux, :P
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[07:46] <metrofox> green lasagne... :P
[07:47] <mrselfpwn> playing in the dumpster again fox?
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[07:48] <metrofox> mrselfpwn, never done it :P
[07:48] <yesyes> liar!
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[07:49] <metrofox> yesyes, no... I can't lie
[07:49] <yesyes> You can.
[07:50] <mrselfpwn> you just did
[07:50] <metrofox> my mon says I can't, so I can't...
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[07:50] <metrofox> mrselfpwn, you know it because you were playing with me...
[07:50] <metrofox> :P
[07:50] Action: mrselfpwn shrugs.
[07:51] <metrofox> ahah! I got you!
[07:51] <metrofox> :D
[07:51] Action: mrselfpwn giggles and dances around like a faery.
[07:52] <mrselfpwn> oops, wrong channel.
[07:52] <MLanden> X_X
[07:52] <metrofox>  /kick mrselfpwn
[07:52] <metrofox> :P
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[07:53] <Camarade_Tux> lol
[07:53] <mrselfpwn> ^^
[07:53] <Camarade_Tux> mrselfpwn: now we have proofs of what you're doing at night :)
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[07:54] <mrselfpwn> damn
[07:54] <metrofox> hey! I'm gonna watch Moto GP now :P
[07:54] <metrofox> don't tell me who won or I'll beat you
[07:54] <metrofox> see ya ^^
[07:54] <yesyes> i'm not going to be happy if a paissad-dell turns up..
[07:55] <adamk_> locate xchat
[07:55] <adamk_> D'oh.
[07:55] <yesyes> har har
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[07:55] <yesyes> for not using irssi
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[08:04] <mrselfpwn> lol
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[08:07] <Tadgy> Hey, i've got a really weird problem with Slackware 13 and KDE.  Whenever KDE is started (not just KDM, but the full KDE desktop), the pdflush kernel thread jumps to 100% CPU and stays there.
[08:07] <Tadgy> Anyone know what might cause this?  I can't even reboot the system as it completely locks up...
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[08:12] <Camarade_Tux> Tadgy: anything autostarting? checked dmesg? other logs?
[08:13] <mrselfpwn> what is pdflush
[08:13] <Camarade_Tux> i/o activity?
[08:13] <mrselfpwn> ?
[08:13] <Tadgy> Nothing helpful in dmesg or other logs.
[08:13] <Camarade_Tux> kernel process
[08:14] <Tadgy> This is a completely virgin KDE - so it's stock slackware - whatever slack starts in KDE as standard :)
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[08:14] <Tadgy> I'm not a KDE expert at all - I don't use it :)
[08:14] <mrselfpwn> did you add any scripts to startup like in rc.local?
[08:14] <mrselfpwn> maybe forgot about them
[08:14] <Camarade_Tux> argh, my pizza tried to commit suicide
[08:14] <Tadgy> Nope.  Completely virgin Slack 13 full install.
[08:14] <Camarade_Tux> mrselfpwn: http://lwn.net/Articles/326552/
[08:16] <Tadgy> Camarade_Tux: The only i/o activity is pdflush sitting at 100%.  Everything else on the system is idle.  I can't even 'sync' it as the process hangs waiting for pdflush
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[08:16] <mrselfpwn> Tadgy: what filesystem?
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[08:17] <Tadgy> ext4 :)
[08:17] <Tadgy> I've tried the standard -huge kernel, and a -generic (with initrd) and the result is the same in both cases.
[08:18] <Tadgy> Even tried the kernels in /testing - same thing
[08:18] <mrselfpwn> hard drive is good with no probs?
[08:18] <ananke> Tadgy: how much memory do you have?
[08:18] <Tadgy> HD is good, virtually brand new.
[08:18] <Tadgy> 2GB RAM :)
[08:18] <mrselfpwn> hmm
[08:18] <mrselfpwn> what brand Tadgy ?
[08:18] <Tadgy> Yeah, welcome to my life :)
[08:19] <mrselfpwn> hard drive
[08:19] <ananke> i don't think brand would matter, why should it?
[08:19] <ananke> Tadgy: quick question, do you know what pdflush does?
[08:19] <mrselfpwn> well the samsungs are incompatible with linux, some of them
[08:19] <mrselfpwn> they sleep and linux doesn't know about it.
[08:19] <Tadgy> Hitachi SATA.
[08:19] <mrselfpwn> so doesn't wake them up
[08:20] <Tadgy> Yeah, pdflush flushes out the dirty buffers to disk.
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[08:20] <ananke> Tadgy: k, just making sure we're on the same page
[08:20] <Tadgy> hehe, yeah :)
[08:20] <Camarade_Tux> there are reports of a similar bug that would have been fixed in 2.6.31
[08:21] <Tadgy> This only happenes with KDE.  With other WMs there's no issue.
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[08:21] <mrselfpwn> ahh.
[08:21] <ananke> Tadgy: with 2gb of ram and kde just starting, it doesn't seem like you'd have to flush anything. then again, we don't know what's currently in your memory
[08:22] <Tadgy> Well, it's literally boot to hang.
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[08:22] <Tadgy> Minimal services starting as default (it's just a desktop)
[08:22] <adamk_> Doesn't nepomuk start indexing files and their contents when KDE starts?  That'd be a large source of disk IO and that might impact pdflush...
[08:22] <adamk_> Perhaps.
[08:23] <Tadgy> I know /nothing/ about KDE.  I use WindowMaker, so whatever is standard on stock slack 13 is how it's configured :)
[08:23] <Camarade_Tux> Tadgy: can you try another WM and start a kde4 application from there?
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[08:23] <Tadgy> Camarade_Tux: Yup, give me 2 mins :)
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[08:24] <adamk_> Tadgy, You can move /usr/bin/nepomuk to /usr/bin/nepomuk.orig to see if that makes a difference.  It's rather harmless.
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[08:29] <Camarade_Tux> ok, pdflush disappeared from newer kernels
[08:30] <Camarade_Tux> that may be why some guy saw that problem fixed in newer kernels
[08:30] <Camarade_Tux> "writeback: get rid of pdflush completely"
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[08:30] <Camarade_Tux> "Date:   Fri Sep 11 09:17:05 2009 -0700"
[08:30] <Tadgy> Camarade_Tux: Started WindowMaker, then ran kaddressbook and pdflush shot up to 100% again :)
[08:31] <Camarade_Tux> Tadgy: I was holding this back, but you can try updating your kernel to 2.6.31
[08:31] <Camarade_Tux> and seems getting rid of pdflush improved performance a lot (>20%)
[08:31] <dartmouth> godddd an hour and a half still to finish downloading slackware 13.0 dvd :/
[08:32] <Tadgy> Camarade_Tux: Well, I could compile a custom kernel... but this is a system for my mate (who's not quite at kernel compile level yet)... so a slackware package which is maintained would be better :)
[08:32] <dartmouth> just bought a new 500GB sata hd :D :D
[08:32] <Camarade_Tux> dartmouth: I usually rsync -current ;)
[08:32] <Camarade_Tux> dartmouth: mine is 1TB :D
[08:32] <dartmouth> Camarade_Tux: yeah not doing -current this time around
[08:33] <Tadgy> If it was a kernel problem, surely other people would have noticed it with Slack 13 and KDE?
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[08:33] <Camarade_Tux> Tadgy: could you *try* even if after you roll back?
[08:33] <Camarade_Tux> Tadgy: found a few other bug reports
[08:33] <Tadgy> Camarade_Tux: Sure..
[08:33] <Tadgy> Camarade_Tux: Really?  I couldn't see any on goooooooogle :)
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[08:34] <dartmouth> Camarade_Tux: haha i may go pick up another couple of 500gb satas next week just out of pure male-competitiveness :P
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[08:34] <Camarade_Tux> Tadgy: google has an annoying localization: see http://yaxm.org/!kde4+pdflush
[08:35] <Camarade_Tux> (it's just a redirect)
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[08:35] <Tadgy> dartmouth: Heh, 500gb?  I've got a 500mb drive around somewhere :)
[08:35] <Camarade_Tux> dartmouth: the 1TB disk is as heavy as my laptop :D
[08:35] <dartmouth> Tadgy: if he has an extra 500gb of storage somewhere i'll take that 500mb from you lol
[08:35] <Camarade_Tux> dartmouth: in two weeks, I'm buying a quad-core with 8gb ram, that's for my *home* machine ;-)
[08:36] <dartmouth> Camarade_Tux: that sounds like you can do alot with it
[08:37] <dartmouth> Camarade_Tux: whats the total price tag on just the cpu on that looking like?
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[08:37] <Tadgy> Camarade_Tux: I got the same results googling, but didn't see any solutions (or anything relevant to this situation - a lot of the reports were about NFS et al)
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[08:38] <Camarade_Tux> Tadgy: yeah, I saw these, and they were pretty old so I ditched them
[08:38] <Camarade_Tux> but a few others pointed to something similar for you (and specifically for kde4)
[08:38] <Tadgy> I'll try a .31 kernel like you suggested...
[08:38] <Tadgy> I can't get why it would only effect some people though
[08:39] <Camarade_Tux> I'm advising trying a 2.6.31 kernel because it should only be a matter of minutes ("make oldconfig" with slackware's config), make and "make install modules_install", shouldbe easy to try ;-)
[08:39] <dartmouth> Tadgy: what exactly is the issue, anyway?
[08:39] <Camarade_Tux> dartmouth: 150 euros :)
[08:39] <Camarade_Tux> or less
[08:40] <dartmouth> Camarade_Tux: i now hate you.
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[08:40] <Camarade_Tux> dartmouth: 135 euros :)
[08:41] <Tadgy> dartmouth: The issue is that whenever KDE starts, pdflush sits at 100% CPU perminantly.
[08:41] Action: dartmouth contemplates what a quantifiable measure of 15 EU of hate boils down to
[08:41] <Camarade_Tux> dartmouth: :)
[08:41] <Tadgy> Camarade_Tux: I'll try the kernel compile after lunch - thanks for the advice.  Hopefully it'll fix it :)
[08:41] <dartmouth> Tadgy: thats just the competitive nature of your machine.  it's an overacheiver.
[08:41] <Camarade_Tux> dartmouth: the whole machine should cost around 300-350 euros, headless of course
[08:42] <Tadgy> dartmouth: No, it's not :)
[08:42] <Camarade_Tux> Tadgy: ok :)
[08:43] <metrofox> stoner won -.-"
[08:43] <Camarade_Tux> hahaha :P
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[08:44] <Camarade_Tux> crap, ram is costing more and more
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[08:45] <Camarade_Tux> 48 euros for 4GB =/
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[08:46] <MLanden> Camarade_Tux: which type of ram?
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[08:47] <Camarade_Tux> MLanden: DDR2 PC6400 5-5-5-X iirc
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[08:47] <Camarade_Tux> 2*2GB
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[08:48] <MLanden> Camarade_Tux: ok
[08:48] <Camarade_Tux> the whole machine may cost less than 300 euros actually :)
[08:50] <Tadgy> Camarade_Tux: I'll pop back after i've tested the .31.4 kernel i've got downloading :)
[08:50] <MLanden> Camarade_Tux: how much memory is it stocked with ?
[08:50] <Tadgy> Cheers for the help
[08:50] <Camarade_Tux> MLanden: 8GB? :D
[08:50] <Camarade_Tux> MLanden: ah, that's the problem, I only accounted for 4GB
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[08:51] <MLanden> Camarade_Tux: the machine that is less than 300 euros?
[08:51] <Camarade_Tux> MLanden: actually no, less than 350 euros :D
[08:51] <Camarade_Tux> MLanden: I'm reusing a case and PSU
[08:51] <MLanden> Camarade_Tux: ahh..i see
[08:52] <Camarade_Tux> the CPU should be phenom II X4 945 :)
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[08:54] <MLanden> Camarade_Tux: cool
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[09:04] <|> that must be a pretty annoying nick :D
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[09:04] <MLanden> what? |
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[09:06] <Camarade_Tux> MLanden: I didn't think that was a possible nick
[09:07] <Camarade_Tux> but I got a few messages from freenode I hadn't received before
[09:08] <Camarade_Tux> I've been "killed by syn." when I had the '|' nick. any idea what it is?
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[09:08] <Camarade_Tux>  freenode |  You were killed by syn. [Nick collision] [Path: ]
[09:09] <MLanden> Camarade_Tux: guess certain symbols are not possible...probably to keep from having a bad i/o while logging
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[09:10] <Camarade_Tux> well, it told me I had 30 seconds to identify :o
[09:10] <MLanden> lol.....a TCP connection attack...:D
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[09:11] <MLanden> http://windowsitpro.com/article/articleid/37488/what-is-a-syn-attack.html
[09:11] <Camarade_Tux> and then I got my name changed automatically
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[09:39] <|CtrlAltCa|> anybody tried to run hpacucli on slackware64? will it work with alienBOB's compatibility packages?
[09:40] <Camarade_Tux> |CtrlAltCa|: what is it?
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[09:40] <_MaggoT_> Camarade_Tux : that nick already registered by someone, u also can register u nickname soo if ppl use u nick at 30 second if not give the pass automatic change to be guest
[09:40] <|CtrlAltCa|> a controller software for hp raid arrays
[09:41] <Camarade_Tux> _MaggoT_: well, when I don't identify with my nick, I don't get kicked
[09:42] <Camarade_Tux> |CtrlAltCa|: well, it should compile, yes
[09:42] <MLanden> don't think one would get a SYN warning though...but could be wrong
[09:42] <|CtrlAltCa|> it's distributed only in a pre-compiled binary package, only for x86_32
[09:43] <Camarade_Tux> MLanden: that wasn't SYN, that was "syn." :P
[09:43] <_MaggoT_> Camarade_Tux : try this /nickserv help
[09:43] <Camarade_Tux> |CtrlAltCa|: then you don't even need the compat package
[09:43] <MLanden> Camarade_Tux: ahh..ok
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[09:44] <|CtrlAltCa|> so i just need to install multilib glibc? woes :)
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[09:44] <Camarade1Tux> hmmm
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[09:44] <Camarade_Tux> seems to not always fire
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[10:11] <slacker84> hi, how do i install beryl or compiz, running kde
[10:11] <spook> slacker84: kde4?
[10:11] <slacker84> yes
[10:12] <spook> kwin has compiz built-in pretty much
[10:12] <spook> slacker84: settings->desktop
[10:12] <spook> enable desktop effects
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[10:15] <adamk_> slacker84, However, if you want to use compiz-fusion instead: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-13-and-compiz-fusion-752803/
[10:16] <slacker84> thankyou, i have installed nvidia drivers and the desktop effects are on, does the driver enable 3d rendering etc ?
[10:16] <spook> only if you tell it to, iirc
[10:17] <spook> adamk_: the desktop effects in kwin are almost identicle to the ones in compiz.
[10:17] <adamk_> Hardly.
[10:17] <slacker84> spook, how do itell it to?
[10:17] <adamk_> compiz-fusion has more plugins, and more configuration options for each plugin.
[10:17] <adamk_> And it runs much more smoothly here.
[10:17] <spook> fair enough
[10:17] <adamk_> slacker84, If you have the nvidia driver properly installed, and you are using it in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, you should have 3D acceleration.
[10:18] <adamk_> slacker84, If you want to be extra sure, use a service like http://pastebin.com/ to show us the output of 'glxinfo'
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[10:18] <spook> or just get him glxinfo | grep whatever :)
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[10:19] <adamk_> Because glxinfo in slackware13 is actually 'glinfo' I find it's best to see the full output personally.
[10:19] <adamk_> Though, theoretically, 'glxinfo | grep -i renderer' might be enough.
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[10:21] <slacker84> adamk, http://pastebin.com/d4b20b978
[10:21] <adamk_> You definitely have 3D acceleration.
[10:22] <slacker84> lol ok. why i asked is the wobbly windows dont run to good like it refreshes
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[10:24] <spook> turn off transparency
[10:24] <spook> watch it run faster.
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[10:24] <Camarade_Tux> s/transparency/wobbly windows/
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[10:24] <Camarade_Tux> keep your sanity
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[10:25] <hiptobecubic> What's better than dd for mirroring drives?
[10:25] <spook> Camarade_Tux: no actually i've found that wobbly windows just lag a bitch when theres transparency
[10:25] <spook> hiptobecubic: define mirroring
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[10:25] <adamk_> This is one of the reasons I prefer c-f.  I haven't had any issues with wobbly performance.
[10:25] <hiptobecubic> <Yasuo> i dont want to mount it, i want to copy a crypted drive from hdd to CFII
[10:25] <hiptobecubic> ah here he is
[10:25] <adamk_> But it's all a matter of opinion, I guess.
[10:26] <slacker84> adamk, is that difficult to install?
[10:26] <Yasuo> hi there
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[10:26] <adamk_> slacker84, It can be :-)  Did you check that link I gave you earlier?
[10:26] <slacker84> will do now
[10:26] <Yasuo> i installed ubuntu with cryptsetup on LVM-layer and want to copy the whole drive to a CF2 now
[10:26] <spook> hiptobecubic Yasuo: dd is the way to do it.
[10:26] <hiptobecubic> spook, is it possible to do it directly like that? I vaguely remember hearing everyone complain about using dd for "copying" block devices
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[10:27] <Camarade_Tux> spook: but wobbly windows are annoying :)
[10:27] <hiptobecubic> spook, fair enough. thx
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[10:27] <Yasuo> btw. does anyone know it truecrypt may be better at performance to crypt the whole system?
[10:27] <spook> hiptobecubic: increase the blocksize, bs
[10:27] <spook> Camarade_Tux: i dont use any desktop effects :)
[10:28] <Camarade_Tux> spook: my desktop is probably even more effect-less than yours :D
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[10:28] <spook> Camarade_Tux: i currently have two high-powered slackware desktops in front of me :)
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[10:30] <Camarade_Tux> spook: beware http://omploader.org/vMjZuNA
[10:30] <Camarade_Tux> (will you spot the bug on the screen)
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[10:32] <spook> nope
[10:32] <spook> Camarade_Tux: i see a few FIXMEs
[10:32] <Camarade_Tux> spook: nah, it's in the conky bar, IN = OUT
[10:32] <Camarade_Tux> take a look at the amount of data :P
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[10:34] <spook> oh.
[10:35] <slacker84> i have 2 moitors, on my one monitor wobbly windows run smoothly but on my other does not.
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[10:40] <adamk_> slacker84, I'm guessing that's something you either need to take up with nvidia or with the KDE folks.
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[10:49] <The-Croupier> greetings
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[10:49] <spook> gentlemen
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[10:50] <LnxSlck> man songbird eats more cpu and mem than X
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[10:52] <slacker84> where are executable progs like firefox stored so i can create shortcuts?
[10:52] <spook> slacker84: shortcuts?
[10:53] <slacker84> alias
[10:53] <alisonken1home> spook: gentlemen? :)
[10:53] <spook> slacker84: type firefox into the kde menu, right click it, pin to favourites
[10:53] <slacker84> or so i can add firefox etc to the quicklaunch
[10:53] <spook> alisonken1home: greetings gentlemen
[10:53] <alisonken1home> slacker84: "which firefox"
[10:53] <alisonken1home> spook: gentlemen in the sarcastic tone :)
[10:53] <spook> ?
[10:54] <alisonken1home> IOW - "There are gentlemen in the room?" :)
[10:54] <spook> oh
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[10:55] <alisonken1home> enlisted military sarcasm - "gentlemen" and "sir" are for officers - and it's considered that enlisted actually work for a living ;)
[10:56] <alisonken1home> slacker84: which desktop are you using? kde?
[10:56] <slacker84> alisonken1home, yes
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[10:56] <hitest> alisonken1home: the same can be said about the public sector. I'm a school teacher and I've found that I do the real work as opposed to my admistrative officers.
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[10:57] <hitest> administrative
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[10:57] <alisonken1home> firefox should be in the menu -> internet menu, you should be able to right-click on it and tell it to add to panel for a shortcut
[10:57] <pprkut> drag and drop should work as well
[10:57] <Axius> how to add a directory to the #PATH?
[10:57] <alisonken1home> hitest: in the civilian sector, it would be considered that the management are equivalent to officers :)
[10:58] <Axius> how to add a directory to the $PATH?
[10:58] <alisonken1home> Axius: if you look at /etc/profile, you can add a new directory to the path that will be the default path for all users
[10:58] <Camarade_Tux> LnxSlck: version 1.2.0?
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[10:59] <alisonken1home> otherwise, if it's in a shell script, you can add "export PATH:$PATH:<new directory>" (without the angle brackets or quotes)
[10:59] <thrice`> Axius, if you use bash, add something to ~/.bash_profile like:  export PATH:$PATH:/new/dir
[10:59] <Camarade_Tux> (z
[11:00] <Camarade_Tux> bah, how many using zsh here?
[11:00] <LnxSlck> Camarade_Tux, 1.4
[11:00] <thrice`> I use zsh :)
[11:00] <LnxSlck> Camarade_Tux, beta version
[11:00] <sahko> zsh too
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[11:01] <alisonken1home> thrice`: shouldn't it be "export PATH=..." rather than "export PATH:..." ?
[11:02] <alisonken1home> sorry - I did it in my example as well
[11:02] <thrice`> yes :)
[11:03] <hitest> alisonken1home: agreed:) I also have other descriptors that I apply to the higher-ups:)
[11:03] <alisonken1home> hah
[11:03] <thrice`> export PATH=$PATH:/new/bin
[11:03] <Camarade_Tux> LnxSlck: he, 1.3 isn't even released :P
[11:04] <thrice`> or, if you use zsh like a good slackware user :)   "vared PATH"
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[11:09] <Camarade_Tux> dartmouth: I think you killed him
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[11:10] <Camarade_Tux> what other shell can complete "/m/s/M/z/Al" in a single tab press? ^^
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[11:11] <|ast|> Hello!
[11:12] <|ast|> networkmanager not connect permision for user
[11:12] <|ast|> add group networkmanager not exit...
[11:13] <Camarade_Tux> networkmanager...
[11:13] <alisonken1home> |ast| : which version of slackware?
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[11:13] <|ast|> alisonken1home: yes
[11:13] <sahko> networkmanager doesnt work in Slackware AFAIk
[11:13] <|ast|> alisonken1home: gnomebuild
[11:13] <|ast|> gsb64
[11:14] <Camarade_Tux> sahko: you mean, it doesn't *exist*
[11:14] <sahko> some people say it doesnt actually work in general but thats another story
[11:14] <sahko> Camarade_Tux: no i think it doesnt work
[11:14] <Camarade_Tux> I've always had troubles with that, wicd works better
[11:14] <alisonken1home> might want to talk to the gsb channel guys unless someone here can help - gnome is not an officially supported desktop anymore
[11:16] <LnxSlck> Camarade_Tux, i'm using the beta version
[11:16] <LnxSlck> Camarade_Tux, Versão: Songbird 1.4.0a, Build 1258 (20090916013141)
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[11:17] <BP{k}> |ast|: if it is in gsb64, then go ask them for support.
[11:18] <|ast|> BP{k}: add support broadcom wifi and y funcion cool
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[11:18] <_MaggoT_> 22% more to finish :( i hate waiting
[11:18] <BP{k}> LnxSlck: by any chance did you build it using the SlackBuild? (if so, any catches?)
[11:18] <BP{k}> |ast|: uhm, so .. your point is exactly what?
[11:18] <LnxSlck> BP{k}, let me see
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[11:20] <paul424> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/are-there-any-kde-4.3-packages-for-13-754294/page6.html could someone explain this to the stupid paul424 ? : "Yes, I had them downloaded, about 15 minutes after vbatts uploaded them and installed them on my laptop. Seems to be working just fine. Do note that 4.3.2 actually *needs* -current as everything is compiled against QT4.5 in...
[11:20] <paul424> ...-current. I forgot this first and while it sort of works gives you a nice WSON[1], but a quick upgrade to -current later and all works fine. " it's about: http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/kde/kde4-packages/4.3.2/. What does he means it requires some "--current" ? :\
[11:20] <BP{k}> heh.
[11:20] <LnxSlck> BP{k}, yes i did built it with a slackbuild
[11:20] <LnxSlck> BP{k}, but i think it's a problem with Songbird
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[11:21] <LnxSlck> BP{k}, i have an idea that even the stable versions of songbird takes a lot of cpu and mem
[11:21] <BP{k}> LnxSlck: wouldn't suprise me :)
[11:21] <thrice`> paul424, they were built against -current packages (namely, mysql, qt, and redland)
[11:21] <LnxSlck> BP{k}, me neither
[11:21] <thrice`> the qt in -current is based on 4.5.2, while that from 13.0 is closer to 4.5.1
[11:22] <LnxSlck> BP{k}, i just have an issue that i 'm not able to solve
[11:22] <BP{k}> LnxSlck: which is?
[11:22] <LnxSlck> BP{k}, (songbird-bin:3980): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstsouphttpsrc.so': libsoup-2.4.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:22] <LnxSlck> BP{k}, the file is there but it just seg faults
[11:22] <paul424> thrice`: ok thanks , so should I upgrade the qt as well right ?
[11:22] <LnxSlck> BP{k}, songbird works just fine, it's a warning.. neither less, it' s "ugly"
[11:23] <LnxSlck> lol
[11:23] <Scuzz> i dont think libsoup ships with slackware
[11:23] <BP{k}> LnxSlck: agreed.
[11:23] <Scuzz> i kno htere is a slackbuild
[11:23] <BP{k}> it doesn't but we carry an SblackBuild
[11:23] <thrice`> paul424, at least qt, but probably everything in -current if you want those 4.3.2 packages
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[11:24] <paul424> how about stability of such "current " distros ... its experimental one for developers right ?
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[11:24] <Scuzz> i actualy compiled libsoup last night
[11:24] <Scuzz> seems like it took half the day
[11:24] <Scuzz> to compile
[11:25] <BP{k}> paul424: yes. developpers, gurus, bugtesters, insanes and people who just want to run it.
[11:25] <thrice`> libsoup takes about 20 seconds on my machine
[11:25] <Scuzz> 20 seconds ?
[11:25] <Scuzz> your kidding
[11:25] <Camarade_Tux> libsoup ='(
[11:26] <LnxSlck> BP{k},  "people who just want to run it." that's me
[11:26] <paul424> Camarade_Tux: aka desperados :P
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[11:27] <pprkut> agreed, libsoup takes a few seconds here as well
[11:27] <Camarade_Tux> libsoup bumped their glib2 version requirement to a very version that isn't in slackware
[11:27] <Camarade_Tux> and I need that newer libsoup
[11:27] <BP{k}>  /tmp/libsoup-2.26.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz created. ==> reallove 0m36.559s  || user0m30.789s  || sys0m9.675s
[11:28] <BP{k}> ah dam tabconversion.
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[11:28] <thrice`> you can get up to about webkit 1.1.12, if that's what you are after
[11:29] <Camarade_Tux> thrice`: no, I'm after webkit git/svn/head/however-you-call-it
[11:29] <thrice`> right :)
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[11:29] <sahko> Camarade_Tux: which window manager was that you posted the screenshot?
[11:29] Action: Camarade_Tux has a few commits in webkit
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[11:30] <Camarade_Tux> sahko: openbox, window decorations/borders hiddens
[11:30] <Camarade_Tux> sahko: it's not tiling per-se but with a small setting it will almost (but you won't get the keyboard navigation)
[11:30] <cryptic0> if I use 2.6.26.9-smp, can I chmod -x /etc/rc.d/rc.modules-2.6.24.5?
[11:31] <thrice`> cryptic0, you can just remove it
[11:31] <sahko> i remember i wanted to do that when i had tried openbox in jan 2007 but i had to do that for every application seperately
[11:31] <sahko> never tried it again
[11:31] <cryptic0> thrice`, ok cool. thanks.
[11:31] <sahko> i didnt like the xml config files either
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[11:32] <cryptic0> thrice`, I have this symlink  rc.modules -> rc.modules-2.6.24.5-smp, but I don't use these modules anymore. should this symlink be removed?
[11:33] <cryptic0> shouldn't rc.modules -> have symlink to my latest kernel install 2.6.26.9-smp
[11:33] <Camarade_Tux> sahko: if you want to remove borders, use: class="*", it will match any window
[11:33] <thrice`> cryptic0, sure, or update it.  the initscripts should find the newer 2.6.29.x on their own
[11:33] <cryptic0> thrice`, okay that will explain it. otherwise I was wondering how the hell my machine is running on one kernel and modules designed for another kernel :p
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[11:33] <|ast|> funciona! :)
[11:34] <sahko> Camarade_Tux: i aint trying it again now. ;p
[11:34] <teckan> |ast|, ainda bem :P
[11:34] <sahko> but thanks. i ll keep in mind that its possible
[11:34] <Camarade_Tux> sahko: what are you using currently?
[11:34] <sahko> kde
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[11:35] <Camarade_Tux> he, not very close :P
[11:35] <slacker84> can i customize my startup entires for faster boot times?
[11:36] <sahko> slacker84: in Slackware you can customize anything
[11:36] <slacker84> sahko, cool. cant believe how much faster this is to windows
[11:36] <Camarade_Tux> windows boots fast but get slower over time
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[11:39] <cryptic0> how can I remove a symlink, if the file the symlink refers to is already deleted.
[11:40] <slacker84> Camarade_Tux, yes i agree, i was so tired of that, thats why i wanted to make the switch
[11:40] <thrice`> cryptic0, "rm" will do it
[11:40] <thrice`> and then ln -s  can re-create it if you'd like
[11:41] <cryptic0> I don't understand the syntax.  I have tried rm rc.modules-x but that file does not exist.
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[11:41] <thrice`> rm /etc/rc.d/rc.modules  ?
[11:42] <thrice`> or, rm /etc/rc.d/rc.modules-2.6.24.5-smp  or whatever you have left
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[11:43] <cryptic0> thrice`, so rc.modules is not a real file?
[11:43] <Axius_> I made a script for listing some files in a directoy.What do I need to put in the script to switch directly  to that directory?
[11:43] <thrice`> cryptic0, you tell me :)  "file /etc/rc.d/rc.modules"
[11:43] <thrice`> also, "ls -l /etc/rc.d/rc.modules"  will probably show its source
[11:43] <cryptic0> thrice`, that file is there, but it is linked to a file I just deleted
[11:44] <cryptic0> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2008-09-24 15:47 rc.modules -> rc.modules-2.6.24.5-smp
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[11:44] <thrice`> so, you can see it points to the dead file; kill the symlink with "rm /etc/rc.d/rc.modules"  or "unlink /etc/rc.d/rc.modules"
[11:45] <user51> how to restart iptables ?  ,i have made changes in rc.firewall how to apply them without rebooting ?
[11:46] <thrice`> user51, did you give your rc.firewall start/stop/restart rules?  eg, "/etc/rc.d/rc.firewall restart"
[11:46] <slacker84> i notice when slack boots up it looks for pcmcia devices and stuff that  my desktop pc has not got , can i disable stuff like that for improved boot times?
[11:46] <thrice`> slacker84, absolutely - "chmod -x /etc/rc.d/rc.pcmcia"
[11:46] <user51> thrice`, how to give start stop rules ?
[11:47] <slacker84> thrice`, thankyou
[11:47] <slacker84> can't believe how helpfull you all are:)
[11:47] <slacker84> thought someone would of told me where to go by now lol
[11:47] <thrice`> slacker84, just be careful; pcmcia is obviously useless if you don't have them, but some scripts in /etc/rc.d/ are more critical :)
[11:48] <slacker84> ok thankyou
[11:48] <thrice`> but in general, removing the executable bit means the init system can't execute it, so it gets skipped
[11:48] <thrice`> user51, meaning, since there is no "rc.firewall" by default, it's tough to say what yours has :)
[11:49] <Camarade_Tux> well, it could exec it but the scripts check for it
[11:49] <Camarade_Tux> it's a way to say "disable this script"
[11:49] <thrice`> indeed
[11:49] <sahko> slacker84: also read the slackbook link, as well as the other links in the topic
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[11:49] <sahko> the ##slackware topic
[11:49] <Camarade_Tux> chmod -x thrice` :D
[11:49] <slacker84> sahko will do thanks
[11:50] <sahko> thats were people usually tell you were where to go by now :P
[11:50] <user51> thrice`, i created that file but i don't know to the command to add in it so that i can restart it , can u tell me wat to add in  rc.firewall so that i can restart it ?
[11:50] <thrice`> slacker84, first time on linux generally?
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[11:51] <slacker84> thrice, i tryed ubuntu, but with slackware yes
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[11:51] <BP{k}> right .. so first time on linux generally. ;)
[11:51] <slacker84> thrice`, i am very keen to get my head around it all
[11:51] <slacker84> lol yeah
[11:51] <pprkut> hahaha
[11:52] <thrice`> user51, rworkman has a nice example on his site for an rc.firewall:  http://rlworkman.net/conf/firewall/rc.firewall.startstopfunctions
[11:53] <thrice`> you can probably just do iptables -F  to flush stuff, and then reload the init script?  unfortunately, I suck at iptables :|
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[11:53] <user51> okay thanks :)
[11:54] <cryptic0> Why does firefox hold my /dev/dsp hostage?  Isn't there a better way than killing firefox to free up my sound card?
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[11:54] <thrice`> are you sure it's firefox, and not something like flash?
[11:56] <teckan> cryptic0, probably it is the flash plugin messing with /dev/dsp
[11:56] <Camarade_Tux> cryptic0: it's usually flash
[11:57] <Camarade_Tux> Tools -> Add-ons -> click flash -> disable
[11:57] <Camarade_Tux> you may reenable it afterwards
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[11:59] <cryptic0> teckan, Camarade_Tux so I will have to enable/disable flash everytime I want to use it?
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[12:01] <sahko> then dont even install it :P
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[12:01] <cryptic0> sahko, seriously that can't be a solution :p
[12:01] <cryptic0> we need flash almost every other website now
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[12:02] <BP{k}> slacwkare.com doesn't ;) what else you need ;)
[12:02] <mesaGL> cryptic0: use an alsa/oss wrapper, or switch to oss4 drivers
[12:02] <paul424> is slackpg packages a third party package repository. What is the safest way of obtainning the packages in Changelog Current ? I mean somehow one must get those packages ...
[12:03] <sahko> there are alternative browsers if you need flash. for example the webkit based browsers deal with flash MUCH more efficiently than firefox
[12:03] <cryptic0> BP{k}, lol.
[12:03] <thrice`> paul424, no, slackpkg only works with official repos (observe the mirror file in /etc/slackpkg)
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[12:03] <cryptic0> sahko, webkit browser, as in..? seamonkey?
[12:03] <sahko> cryptic0: midori, arora, uzbl, surf, rekonq, etc
[12:04] <paul424> thrice`: so why thyose mirros are not linked from slackware.com ?
[12:04] <cryptic0> dang, I dont know any of these
[12:04] <NaCl> cryptic0: seamonkey uses gecko, like firefox
[12:04] <sahko> all browsers besides firefox will use webkit pretty soon
[12:04] <Camarade_Tux> sahko: caravel, caravel, caravel!
[12:04] <Camarade_Tux> (what, it's *almost* ready)
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[12:04] <cryptic0> are any of those installed with 13?
[12:04] <sahko> Camarade_Tux: didnt know that one
[12:04] <thrice`> paul424, sorry?  the mirrors are more or less the same as those from slackware.com/getslack/
[12:04] <Camarade_Tux> sahko: guess who's developping it :D
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[12:05] <sahko> Camarade_Tux: oh:) link?
[12:05] <thrice`> noo, screenshot!
[12:06] <sahko> oh right its in ocaml
[12:06] <Camarade_Tux> sahko: ^^
[12:06] <paul424> thrice`: you mean  /etc/slackpkg/mirrors
[12:06] <Camarade_Tux> I was trying to get a simple example with dbus with my bindings but I lacked a few functions, I'm adding them now
[12:06] <Camarade_Tux> (dbus for separated processes)
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[12:06] <thrice`> paul424, since that's what I said, yes, it's what I meant :)
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[12:10] <paul424> thrice`: like this mirrors :  Indonesia, http://kambing.ui.ac.id/slackware/slackware-13.0/ ,,, I don't think so
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[12:10] <sahko> cryptic0: no none comes with slackware. but arora can be very easy to build if you have qt installed
[12:10] <thrice`> your question is if that is a 3rd party repo, or one that has official slackware packages.  clearly it is the latter
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[12:14] <XGizzmo> arora also dose not work correctly on slackware 13. The java plugin does not work or even worse crashes arora.
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[12:15] <mernill> Greetings! And Ohoy! :-)
[12:15] <sahko> true had some crashes with it
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[12:19] <mernill> funny video! http://video.about.com/golosangeles/LA-s-Best-Tacos-and-Hotdogs.htm
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[12:20] <mernill> with americas most obese hot dog coniousure. :-)
[12:21] <mernill> He seem like a nice guy tho!
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[12:23] <slacker84> is it possible to have 2 xorg.confs for each monitor, i think that might be my problem why my one monitor dont look like its powered by a 3d card
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[12:25] <XGizzmo> slacker84: nope it all has to be in on file.
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[12:26] <slacker84> my one monitor when i drag a window scrolls like thereis no g-card drivers installed and the other monitor is fine
[12:26] <slacker84> would that be in the xorg.conf?
[12:27] <adamk_> slacker84, Can you move windows from one monitor to another?
[12:27] <slacker84> i have an xorg.conf and and xorg-vesa
[12:27] <slacker84> yes
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[12:28] <adamk_> Are you using twinview?
[12:28] <jonsmith1982> try glxgears and move that from either window?
[12:28] <slacker84> adamk, yes
[12:29] <jonsmith1982> then you'd know if there is a problem.
[12:29] <slacker84> glxgears?
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[12:29] <jonsmith1982> try it.
[12:30] <slacker84> jonsmith1982, how?
[12:30] <adamk_> slacker84, Then the nvidia drivers should be accelerating both screens.  If it's not, you should take this up with nvidia.
[12:30] <jonsmith1982> run the command "glxgears"
[12:31] <slacker84> perfect on each screen
[12:31] <jonsmith1982> what framerate?
[12:31] <adamk_> If 3D acceleration is working on both screens, but KDE is slower on one than the other, you may need to take this up with the kde folks.
[12:31] <slacker84> 60.400
[12:33] <jonsmith1982> also read /var/log/Xorg.*
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[12:33] <jonsmith1982> that may give you some hints.
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[12:35] <slacker84> thankyou
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[12:37] <slacker84> sorted it, it was one of the effects causing it , runs lovely now:)
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[12:51] <cryptic0> here is a situation: I run slackware at runlevel 3, but if I try to switch to runlevel 4, permissions on some programs get screwed up.  For example, I cannot access libdvdcss. Is there a connection between these two?
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[12:52] <Tadgy> Hey chaps (and chapettes) - the kernel upgrade to .31.4 has fixed the KDE/pdflush issue :)
[12:53] <Camarade_Tux> Tadgy: \o/
[12:53] <Camarade_Tux> Tadgy: although it was expected pdflush wouldn't take all the CPU since it didn't exist anymore :D
[12:53] <Tadgy> Camarade_Tux: Thanks for the suggestion.  I have no clue what the issue was, but at least the box isn't sitting at 100% CPU anymore :)
[12:53] <Camarade_Tux> Tadgy: but nothing else using too much CPU?
[12:53] <Camarade_Tux> ok, nice then :)
[12:54] <Tadgy> Camarade_Tux: Nope, just the occasional process grabbing it for a few seconds.
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[12:54] <Camarade_Tux> Tadgy: good :)
[12:54] <Tadgy> But before it was 100% pdflush and very unresonsive system - now it's working as expected :)
[12:55] <Tadgy> Camarade_Tux: The help is muchly appreciated.  I can now get things in order to give my mate his PC - at least i've saved him from ubuntu :)
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[12:56] <Camarade_Tux> Tadgy: that's what counts :P
[12:56] <Camarade_Tux> and I've learned about the removal of pdflush and the associated perf improvement which is great :)
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[12:56] <Tadgy> Indeed :)  I'm no fan of KDE, but i'd rather give him Slack+KDE than ubuntu+brown :)
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[12:57] <Tadgy> Camarade_Tux: Yeah, it seems to be a very very odd bug.  KDE must have been doing something odd for it to be the only thing triggering it.
[12:59] <Camarade_Tux> one possible problem was pdflush doing work too early and writing to disk, then reading immediately what it wrote and so on
[12:59] <Camarade_Tux> it may have been possible to solve this with settings
[13:00] <Tadgy> Well, I try my best not to dive too deeply into kernel internals.. If there was a quick settings fix then i'd have taken that, but without spending days trying to figure it out it's just easier to use a new kernel
[13:01] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, exactly
[13:01] <Tadgy> Anyway - thanks again for the help :)
[13:01] <Tadgy> Back to the F1!
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[13:02] <lee_> why, if a directory ownership is set to www-data.www-data using permissions of 540, can a member of www-data not access it via shell?
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[13:11] <paul424> I have to choose whether to upgrade qt or all slackware packages to current to install non repository package kde 4.3.2 what to do >?
[13:12] <sahko> you can also install 4.3.1 which is built on 13.0
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[13:15] <incognitus> hello all
[13:15] <sahko> but if you want 4.3.2 you should imo uprade everything up to today. cause the mysql upgrade which was done along with qt was broken and eas fixed today
[13:15] <_MaggoT_> can someone tell me how to burn slackware64-13.0-iso, bcoz in there got 3 file
[13:15] <incognitus> it is pleasure to say i have fresh slackware  13 install
[13:15] <_MaggoT_> what must i do?just burn the iso image? or 3 of that file
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[13:16] <incognitus> but i have some thropubles with X, freetype and type1 modules cannot be loaded
[13:17] <sahko> _MaggoT_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[13:17] <EasyTUX> How should I change timezone (manually way please...) ?
[13:17] <sahko> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
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[13:17] <_MaggoT_> sahko : thx
[13:17] <incognitus> i use the old fashion xorg.conf, because it is imposibble to correct screan resolution without it
[13:17] <paul424> hmm does the odd number 1 in 4.3.1 means its ttestgin verison of something
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[13:19] <EasyTUX> How should I change timezone (On slack12...) ?
[13:19] <sahko> EasyTUX: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-unix-change-setup-timezone-tz-variable/
[13:20] <sahko> lazy bastards
[13:20] <EasyTUX> sahko: thanks.
[13:21] <_guitarman_> anyone else have strange issues with sound not happening in firefox?
[13:21] <hitest> no
[13:21] <paul424> no
[13:21] <Camarade_Tux> _guitarman_: sound in firefox or sound in flash in firefox ?
[13:23] <_guitarman_> Camarade_Tux: hmm, that is the question... checking
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[13:24] <_guitarman_> Camarade_Tux: firefox
[13:24] <_guitarman_> native ogg no go
[13:24] <_guitarman_> i wondered if it had to do with me having a usb audio interface
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[13:26] <_guitarman_> Camarade_Tux: some games also won't have sound... for instance, Urban Terror does, but assault cube doesn't.
[13:27] <_guitarman_> I shouldnt have to install pulse audio to get that going right...
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[13:27] <Camarade_Tux> you installed pulse audio?
[13:28] <_MaggoT_> thanks sahko now i know for what MD5
[13:28] <_MaggoT_> :p
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[13:32] <_MaggoT_> Camarade_Tux u already try use wine for play windows game?
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[13:32] <Camarade_Tux> _MaggoT_: yes, why?
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[13:33] <_MaggoT_> Camarade_Tux : easy setup or little hard for configure wine ?
[13:33] <Camarade_Tux> _MaggoT_: easy
[13:33] <Camarade_Tux> use the slackbuild ;-)
[13:34] <_MaggoT_> Camarade_Tux : cool, bcoz if i can play all my windows game at slackware i want to clean my Windows OS :p
[13:34] <Camarade_Tux> I think wine is about to be able to play more game than windows here
[13:34] <Camarade_Tux> windows7 x64 fais at some games ><
[13:35] <_MaggoT_> Camarade_Tux : what windows game u like?
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[13:36] <_MaggoT_> Camarade_Tux : i just play Warcraft Dota n Perfect World
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[13:36] <Camarade_Tux> _MaggoT_: I don't play much, mostly what you can play on LAN
[13:36] <Camarade_Tux> well, I play war3/dota, cs (that's the one windows can't run), ut2k4/III, ...
[13:37] <paul424> Does anyone uses current here ? did anyone experienced serious crashes instability in current version  >
[13:37] <DralaFi> ut2004!
[13:37] <Camarade_Tux> paul424: wrt which program?
[13:38] <Camarade_Tux> DralaFi: ^^
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[13:38] <paul424> Camarade_Tux: I mean all packages from branch current
[13:38] <Camarade_Tux> *squeezing
[13:38] <Camarade_Tux> paul424: I'm actually at 13-rc1
[13:38] <_MaggoT_> ut ike CS right?
[13:38] <DralaFi> Camarade_Tux, i used to be able to get good textures etc in ut2004, but not anymore. no idea why. it's as if S3TC is disabled now. etqw looks nicer but is slower :/
[13:38] <_MaggoT_> *like
[13:39] <Camarade_Tux> DralaFi: weird, nvidia driver update?
[13:39] <Camarade_Tux> UT is more arcade than CS
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[13:40] <_MaggoT_> ic' i hope my ati radeon HD4770 will work at slackware
[13:40] <DralaFi> Camarade_Tux, maybe. it was round about 2004/2005 when i played it with good graphics - nowadays it's just crappy.
[13:41] <Camarade_Tux> _MaggoT_: don't hesitate to ask here
[13:41] <DralaFi> but then i have noticed crap performance with slack/linux for a while now. maybe a regression?
[13:41] <Camarade_Tux> DralaFi: he, that dates back
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[13:41] <Camarade_Tux> DralaFi: I don't game much, and even less on linux
[13:42] <Camarade_Tux> plus my ut2k4 dvd is dead so I have to rely on a friend's ISO ><
[13:42] <DralaFi> Camarade_Tux, no - even normal non-game stuff. like moving a konqueror window across the screen gives me those repaint trails :(
[13:42] <Camarade_Tux> DralaFi: desktop effect?
[13:42] <Camarade_Tux> *effects
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[13:43] <sahko> DralaFi: for me updating to the nvidia beta solved some problems
[13:43] <DralaFi> Camarade_Tux, no. normal kde 3.5.9 with no compiz etc
[13:43] <Snewp> hi i'm trying to run ./configure but i'm getting this error: checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables ... i have already installed gcc and autoconf .. anything that i missed ?
[13:43] <sahko> but i dont guarantee its gonna solve yours
[13:43] <DralaFi> sahko, what version?
[13:43] <sahko> NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-190.36-pkg2.run
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[13:44] <Scuzz> good afternoon everyone
[13:44] <Camarade_Tux> Snewp: slackware64?
[13:44] <Camarade_Tux> hi Scuzz
[13:44] <Scuzz> :)
[13:44] <_MaggoT_> 01.00 am at here :p
[13:44] <Snewp> Camarade_Tux: just 32 .. slackware12
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[13:45] <Snewp> _MaggoT_: you're in Asia ?
[13:45] <Scuzz> its a good day today , sun is shining and the new mysql update fixed my akonadi issues
[13:45] <_MaggoT_> yes
[13:45] <Scuzz> cant ask for anything more
[13:45] <_MaggoT_> indonesia
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[13:45] <Camarade_Tux> Snewp: there is a config.log file in the folder you ran ./configure, can you pastebin it?
[13:45] <DralaFi> sahko, (II) NVIDIA GLX Module  185.18.36  Fri Aug 14 18:27:24 PDT 2009    i have that
[13:46] <sahko> DralaFi: yeah , i had that too and had some crashes along with "repaint traills" as you called them
[13:46] <DralaFi> sahko, do you find that if you click in the kde icon in konqueror the process starts using high CPU? i've got that with my current driver and not with the previous one
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[13:47] <sahko> no, but i dont know what that kde icon does. nothing here.
[13:48] <mernill> ahoy fellow fishermen! :-)
[13:48] <DralaFi> sahko, it should create a new window with the current location set. Basically Ctrl-D - to duplicate window
[13:49] <sahko> it doesnt. dont know why
[13:49] <sahko> maybe i disabled it
[13:49] <mernill> thy crabseason is just about to start.
[13:49] <Snewp> Camarade_Tux: http://pastebin.ca/1627502
[13:50] <DralaFi> even just did that now with keyboard shortcut and it's gone unresponsive - can even hear my CPU fan speeding up even though no process is using lots of CPU - perhaps something taking lots of cpu in kernel space
[13:50] <mernill> Them kingcrabs is a mighty good catch!
[13:50] <DralaFi> sahko, what about ctrl-d ? (this is kde-3.5)
[13:50] <mernill> no.. im not a bot :-)
[13:50] <sahko> DralaFi: it makes a new window
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[13:52] <sahko> but no high cpu usage either
[13:52] <Camarade_Tux> Snewp: your install is partial, you're missing packages, you didn't install all from d/, did you?
[13:52] <DralaFi> sahko, ah. not here though. i'll try the new driver then ->> Linux Display Driver Version 190.32 BETA ?
[13:52] <Snewp> Camarade_Tux: yes .. can you tell me what to install ?
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[13:53] <mernill> Camarade_Tux: .. what a commie name that is :-P
[13:53] <Camarade_Tux> Snewp: and why do you have that slackware and that kernel on a core i7? :o
[13:53] <DralaFi> sahko, you're not 64bit? i can't find 190.36 - just 190.32
[13:53] <sahko> DralaFi: i get mine from ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/
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[13:53] <Camarade_Tux> Snewp: that one will need at least binutils but probably many more
[13:53] <Snewp> Camarade_Tux: this is a VPS
[13:54] <sahko> the nvidia webpage is retarted lately
[13:54] <Camarade_Tux> Snewp: ah, I see
[13:54] <Camarade_Tux> mernill: :)
[13:54] <Snewp> Camarade_Tux: it was just minimal install
[13:54] <Snewp> :/
[13:54] <mernill> Camarade_Tux: ;-)
[13:54] <sahko> 190.40 is latest
[13:54] <DralaFi> sahko, yeah i see that now. what's with pkg0 - pkg2 ?
[13:55] <Snewp> Camarade_Tux: i'll just try to look up on /d and isntall it manually
[13:55] <Camarade_Tux> Snewp: well, you'll need several packages
[13:55] <sahko> i get pkg2 always. dont know exactly. maybe Camarade_Tux or pprkut can tell you that
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[13:55] <Camarade_Tux> Snewp: the other solution is to make a package on your own computer, scp it to your VPS and install it there
[13:55] <Camarade_Tux> you'll need the same slack version (a virtual machine would do it)
[13:56] <Camarade_Tux> I've seen no rule for pkg0/pkg2
[13:56] <Camarade_Tux> Snewp: that'd avoid loading the vps uselessly
[13:57] <Snewp> ic
[13:57] <Snewp> ok brb
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[14:02] <DralaFi> is there a way to upgrade nvidia drivers and start using them without killing the current X11 sesson?
[14:02] <Camarade_Tux> DralaFi: no
[14:02] <DralaFi> (i'm too lazy to close all the apps and logout / login)
[14:02] <DralaFi> :'(
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[14:03] <DralaFi> can we not use that new kernel patch splice thingy to do it?
[14:03] <Camarade_Tux> no
[14:03] <DralaFi> it would be cool to write a new kernel driver to grab all the memory regions used by the nvidia driver, reload the driver and remap the regions on the fly
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[14:07] <Camarade_Tux> DralaFi: the nvidia driver is proprietary, you can't do anything reliably
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[14:07] <Camarade_Tux> ok, finished my 1500-lines commit =/
[14:07] Nick change: mako-dono -> mako-sama
[14:07] <DralaFi> what are you commiting?
[14:09] <Camarade_Tux> http://git.ocamlcore.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=ocaml-gir/ocaml-gir.git;a=summary
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[14:10] <DralaFi> isnt it bad to commit large chunks like that?
[14:10] <_MaggoT_> yes my download done
[14:10] <DralaFi> or is it many commits totalling 1500 lines?
[14:11] <Camarade_Tux> DralaFi: definitely bad, the reason is that I had to change a big file (it's generated through a program [ that sucks ] )
[14:11] <Camarade_Tux> _MaggoT_: good :)
[14:13] <_MaggoT_> Camarade_Tux : what ideal speed for burn dvd?
[14:13] <jeev> if you guys had a hundred servers, how would you manage your password?
[14:13] <_MaggoT_> 4x (5.540KB/s)?
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[14:14] <Scuzz> _MaggoT_, i myself like to burn at 6x
[14:14] <Scuzz> seems reliable
[14:14] <mako-sama> _MaggoT_: it depends on your burner and media
[14:14] <_MaggoT_> ok i will try thx :)
[14:14] <mako-sama> and hdd
[14:14] <jeev> i burn at 16 and it works fine for me
[14:14] <DralaFi> _MaggoT_, fastest you can burn at
[14:14] <jeev> important, i'll burn 2x or whatever the min is
[14:14] <Scuzz> but i agree with mako-sama
[14:14] <mako-sama> I do 16x without problems
[14:14] <jeev> my cpu's cache is bigger than your cache.
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[14:14] <mako-sama> but most if the time I do 8x.. just in case
[14:14] <jeev> my ram can beat your ram up
[14:15] <DralaFi> i do 8x on some media as that's the fastest for that media, 16x for other media that supports it
[14:15] <cryptic0> I have lost sound after I upgraded to 13
[14:15] <_MaggoT_> i will use 8x
[14:15] <cryptic0> has anyone else experienced this?
[14:15] <Scuzz> check the mixer , is anything muted ?
[14:16] <cryptic0> Scuzz, no, kmix says nothing is muted
[14:16] <cryptic0> mplayer -ao alsa *.mp3 starts playback, but no sound.  no errors
[14:16] <mako-sama> what about alsamixer?
[14:16] <cryptic0> snd_hda_intel module is also loaded
[14:16] <Camarade_Tux> ran alsactl?
[14:17] <Camarade_Tux> err, alsaconf?
[14:17] <cryptic0> ran alsaconf, and it detected sound card and set it properly, no error messages
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[14:18] <cryptic0> alsamixer: nothing muted
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[14:21] <mako-sama> cryptic0: alsa might've detected another sound card in your system...  when you run alsamixer, you can see the name of your soundcard at the top
[14:21] <_MaggoT_> i got 2giga ram, then how much spase for my swap file?
[14:21] <dimm0k> any suggestions on upgrading to a newer version of kmail than the one in slack 13 by compiling using the slackbuild script?
[14:22] <mako-sama> _MaggoT_: usually double your ram...
[14:22] <_MaggoT_> ow ok
[14:22] <mako-sama> _MaggoT_: but you can use whatever size you want.
[14:22] <_MaggoT_> ok all see u later
[14:22] <_MaggoT_> going to install my slackware
[14:22] <_MaggoT_> bye
[14:23] <Camarade_Tux> see you soon :P
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[14:24] <dimm0k> because i dont see a kmail package anywhere in the source...
[14:24] <Scuzz> what version is yours
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[14:25] <Scuzz> im running kde 4.3.2 it has kmail version 1.12.2
[14:28] <fire|bird> dimm0k: There isn't a separate kmail package, it's part of kde. More than just kmail would need to be upgraded, and even so it may not be guaranteed to work, therfore the best option would be upgrade kde entirely.
[14:28] <fire|bird> Why are you wanting a different kmail version?
[14:29] <Scuzz> howdy fire|bird
[14:29] <trhhhe> how do I check my slack version ?
[14:29] <fire|bird> hi Scuzz
[14:29] <fire|bird> trhhhe: cat /etc/slackware-version
[14:29] <DralaFi> trhhhe, cat /etc/sla*
[14:29] <DralaFi> (in case of slamd this will match)
[14:30] <hitest> trhhhe: cat /etc/slackware-version....dang...you beat me, fire|bird:)
[14:30] <fire|bird> haha
[14:30] <fire|bird> hey hitest
[14:30] <fire|bird> How's it going?
[14:30] <hitest> it is going well, fire|bird:) ty. how are you?
[14:30] <fire|bird> I'm great, thanks.
[14:31] <hitest> yw:)
[14:31] <Scuzz> new mysql fixed akonadi thank god
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[14:31] <Scuzz> it was driving me crazy
[14:31] <spook> heh
[14:32] <dimm0k> fire|bird: damn, that sounds...  messy!
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[14:33] <dimm0k> fire|bird: i want to upgrade kmail because the version that comes with slack 13 seems to be a downgrade of what was in slack 12.2...  fonts dont work in kmail and neither is the option to display how many messages are in each folder...  it only shows the number of unread messages
[14:34] <fire|bird> 12.2 had kde 3.5.x, 13 has 4.2.4, so that's certainly not a downgrade. Was this an upgrade from 12.2 to 13?
[14:35] <spook> heh
[14:36] <Scuzz> spooks in a gigley mod this afternoon
[14:36] <Scuzz> mood*
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[14:37] <spook> no i'm just tired
[14:37] <Scuzz> ahh
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[14:50] <pprkut> DralaFi: pkg0 is the base package, pkg1 adds binary kernel modules, pkg2 adds 32bit compat libs (for the 64bit version only of course)
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[14:50] <DralaFi> ahh thanks :)
[14:51] <_MaggoT_> omg
[14:51] <pprkut> DralaFi: you can upgrade nvidia-driver/nvidia-kernel while running X using the SlackBuilds. You can also install it while still being in X. However, if you want to use the new driver, you have to restart X and reload the kernel module
[14:51] <_MaggoT_> i already done installing slackware
[14:51] <_MaggoT_> but got some problem
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[14:51] <_MaggoT_> i got 16 bit colour -_-z
[14:51] <spook> _MaggoT_: thats awesome.
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[14:52] <spook> _MaggoT_: i doubt you could tell the difference between 16 and 32bit colour
[14:52] <DralaFi> pprkut, i know. just wish there was a way to dynamically switch to new driver without killing all the apps and stuff
[14:52] <diven> anyone have an issue with the xsane preview window?
[14:52] <spook> DralaFi: uh...
[14:52] <diven> I think it has something to do with gtk-chtheme
[14:52] <_MaggoT_> wait i go change to windows os i cannot read the te xt
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[14:53] <pprkut> DralaFi: yeah, not going to happen soon I suppose ;)
[14:53] <DralaFi> pprkut, darn :(
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[14:54] <incognitus> i ahve real problem, the X cannot load freetype module
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[14:58] <adamk_> incognitus, Can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file?
[14:58] <incognitus> ok
[14:59] <adamk_> My Xorg doesn't load the module, but it doesn't give any errors about it either.
[14:59] Action: thrice` doesn't believe you
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[14:59] <adamk_> Oh?
[15:00] <_MaggoT_> i think my vga not yet detected on slackware
[15:00] <Camarade_Tux> _MaggoT_: which card?
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[15:00] <_MaggoT_> ati radeon HD4770
[15:00] <adamk_> _MaggoT_, That card has no hardware acceleration under Slackware 13 by default.
[15:00] <_MaggoT_> :(
[15:01] <thrice`> why not?  radeonhd  doesn't cover it?
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[15:01] <_MaggoT_> then how to fix this
[15:01] <adamk_> For 2D acceleration, you need DRM enabled in the kernel and X server.  Which means you need to install a 2.6.30.* kernel.
[15:01] <adamk_> There is one in /testing, as I recall.
[15:01] <incognitus> my xorg log http://pastebin.ca/1627622
[15:01] <thrice`> adamk_, um, are you sure?
[15:02] <adamk_> thrice`, Positive.
[15:02] <thrice`> 2.6.29 + radeonhd   should work fine, no?
[15:02] <adamk_> thrice`, I know my radeon/radeonhd drivers.
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[15:02] <adamk_> thrice`, Not with 2D acceleration.
[15:02] <_MaggoT_> now my slackware got blur colour :(
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[15:02] <adamk_> thrice`, 2D modesetting would work fine, but there would be no EXA acceleration and no Xv.
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[15:02] <adamk_> _MaggoT_, However, if you want 3D acceleration, you will need to use the proprietary fglrx driver.
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[15:03] <adamk_> incognitus, Just comment out the lines for the modules that are failing to load.
[15:03] <adamk_> incognitus, Are you noticing some problem other than those errors in the log file?
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[15:03] <Camarade_Tux> what? no slackbuild for fglrx? only for 12.1? :o
[15:04] <incognitus> type1 module is not loaded
[15:04] <incognitus> and it load dri and dri2 modules, which i have commented in xorg.conf
[15:04] <_MaggoT_> look this
[15:04] <adamk_> Camarade_Tux, No idea if there's a slackbuild, but the driver installer from AMD can create slackware packages.
[15:04] <adamk_> incognitus, You need to explicitly "Disable" those modules in your xorg.conf file.
[15:04] <incognitus> how to disable them
[15:05] <adamk_> incognitus, As for the modules that are failing to load...  If you didn't have an xorg.conf file, Xorg wouldn't even try to load them in the first place.
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[15:05] <adamk_> incognitus, In the modules section, add:
[15:05] <adamk_> Disable "dri"
[15:05] <adamk_> And the same for dri2
[15:05] <_MaggoT_> http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff217/broken_code/snapshot1.png
[15:05] <Camarade_Tux> adamk_: oh, nice
[15:05] <_MaggoT_> can someone tell me how to fix that
[15:05] <incognitus> may be, i readed some README in slackware direcotry, to disable compiz, but i dont know how
[15:06] <adamk_> incognitus, compiz won't work at all on your GPU.  And won't even try to start, so there's no need to disable it.
[15:06] <incognitus> "Disable "dri"" where shout it be placed
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[15:06] <adamk_> incognitus, Again, in the module section.
[15:06] <incognitus> Option Disable dri? or without Option
[15:06] <adamk_> _MaggoT_, Go to http://pastebin.com/ and paste in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file.
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[15:07] <adamk_> incognitus, Exactly how I typed it above.
[15:07] <_MaggoT_> ok
[15:07] <incognitus> thanks, i did it, i ll try now
[15:07] <dimm0k> fire|bird: yes, this was an upgrade from 12.2 to 13...  however I have move .kde out and started from scratch
[15:07] <incognitus> but what to do with freetype?
[15:08] <adamk_> incognitus, Just comment out those lines in your xorg.conf file.  You do not need them.
[15:08] <adamk_> Again.l;l
[15:09] <incognitus> which lines, what i dont need? freetype?!
[15:09] <adamk_> WTF>
[15:09] <adamk_> Look in the log file you posted.
[15:09] <_MaggoT_> http://pastebin.com/m485ad28a
[15:09] <adamk_> You are complaining that freetype and mode1 failed to type1 failed to load, right/
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[15:10] <incognitus> i saw, there is not such module, but i have it installed, and with 12.2 i used it
[15:10] <adamk_> icarus, So comment out those bleeping modules.
[15:10] <Scuzz> lol
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[15:10] <adamk_> icarus, YOU DON'T NEED THEM.
[15:10] <adamk_> sjdf;lakdsjf
[15:10] <adamk_> icarus, Sorry.
[15:10] <adamk_> Alright, I'm done.
[15:10] <_MaggoT_> adamk, :http://pastebin.com/m485ad28a
[15:10] <incognitus> i see, thanks for ur attention
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[15:12] <adamk_> _MaggoT_, The radeon driver is failing to load for your GPU.  Xorg tries it, but then reverts to the vesa driver,  and your model isn't listed as a supported card by the radeon driver in your Xorg log file.
[15:12] <adamk_> _MaggoT_, So you can either try the radeonhd driver and see if you get it to load, or you can try the fglrx driver, which should give you 2D and 3D acceleration.
[15:12] <_MaggoT_> adamk, :then what must i do?
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[15:13] <adamk_> _MaggoT_, Or you can try updating the radeon driver.
[15:13] <_MaggoT_> ok
[15:13] <_MaggoT_> brb
[15:13] <adamk_> If you use the radeon or radeonhd drivers, you will likely want to update to a 2.6.30.* kernel in order to get 2D acceleration.
[15:13] <adamk_> But it isn't necessary.
[15:14] <cryptic0> mako-sama, no, it detects the same card. and besides I only have one card. it's a laptop
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[15:17] <mako-sama> cryptic0: some modems are detected as soundcards as well... not that common though, not in laptops at least
[15:17] <cryptic0> hmmm I wonder what is going on.
[15:18] <cryptic0> should I look at some sort of log to see if I have any errors?
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[15:21] <_MaggoT_> adamk, : now going to download ati driver
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[15:30] <winter> is here a chess player?
[15:30] <winter> any chess players here?
[15:31] <askhader> I'm pretty sure most people can play chess, why?
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[15:31] <winter> i'm wondering about gnuchess
[15:31] <askhader> I see.
[15:31] <winter> and trying to find persons that have beaten it
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[15:32] <powtrix> when someicos are '?' what can I do?
[15:32] <powtrix> icons
[15:33] <thrice`> did you update to -current?
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[15:33] <powtrix> yes, yesterday
[15:33] <powtrix> already using -current
[15:33] <thrice`> try: "update-mime-database ~/.local/share/mime/"
[15:34] <powtrix> as root?
[15:34] <thrice`> user
[15:34] <powtrix> ok
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[15:34] <powtrix> Directory '~/.local/share/mime/packages' does not exist!
[15:34] <thrice`> do you have items in /usr/local/share/mime ?
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[15:35] <powtrix> here does not exist '/usr/local/share' but in '/usr/share/mime/' there is
[15:36] <hiptobecubic> The slackbuild for johntheripper is broken it seems. It writes a little wrapper script to launch itself, but doesn't substitute $LIBDIRSUFFIX properly resulting in a call to `/usr/sh -c "/usr/lib${LIBDIRSUFFIX}/john/john". Which of course only works if $LIBDIRSUFFIX is set globally... which it often isn't.
[15:36] <thrice`> as root, try: "update-mime-database /usr/share/mime"  manually
[15:36] <hiptobecubic> Shouldn't it just make that substitution during the slackbuild?
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[15:37] <thrice`> hiptobecubic, you're wrong, it is set in the ARCH
[15:37] <thrice`> and, from the slackbuild:  /usr/lib${LIBDIRSUFFIX}/john/john $@
[15:37] <powtrix> ok. 'Unknown media type in <somedirs>' returned
[15:37] Action: _MaggoT_ brb
[15:37] <hiptobecubic> thrice`, i'm looking at the resulting script here. It didn't not substitute $LIBDIRSUFFIX.
[15:38] <hiptobecubic> http://dpaste.com/109028/
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[15:38] <thrice`> are you sure you set ARCH to x86_64?
[15:38] <hiptobecubic> yep
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[15:38] <hiptobecubic> it build the x86_64 version. it just didn't write that script properly
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[15:38] <hiptobecubic> built*
[15:39] <pprkut> thrice`: even if it weren't, he should never see ${LIBDIRSUFFIX}
[15:39] <thrice`> is the other structure proper, eg, /usr/lib64 ?
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[15:39] <hiptobecubic> yes
[15:39] <thrice`> pprkut, right, I assume he meant it went to /usr/lib/ :(
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[15:39] <hiptobecubic> thrice`, no it wrote the variable out explicitly
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[15:40] <hiptobecubic> although looking at the slackbuild, i'm not sure why. It looks ok to me. Maybe it doesn't substitute inside of the call to `cat`? That doesn't make sense, why wouldn't it?
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[15:42] <rworkman> hiptobecubic: remove the quotes from around "EOF"
[15:43] <hiptobecubic> rworkman, aha! Why is that?
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[15:44] <pprkut> hiptobecubic: and put a "\" before the $@
[15:44] <rworkman> Yes.
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[15:44] <slava_dp> hey everyone. know any good bluetooth manager for kde4?
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[15:45] <rworkman> slava_dp: I don't.
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[15:45] <rworkman> hiptobecubic: I don't recall exactly how it works, but I happen to have been bitten by that before :)
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[15:45] <rworkman> i.e. I don't recall the specifics of when you want quotes and when you don't
[15:45] <pprkut> slava_dp: kbluetooth, but I suppose you want it to work on 13.0 (kbluetooth doesn't) :)
[15:46] <slava_dp> pprkut: yep, 13.0 :)
[15:46] <rworkman> cls
[15:46] <rworkman> bah
[15:46] <thrice`> why not have the wrapper script installed externally?
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[15:47] <hiptobecubic> rworkman, i suppose #bash will know
[15:47] <pprkut> slava_dp: I know of none working on 13.0
[15:47] <alienBOB> The quotes around a end-of-text marker in a here-document (like that "EOT") means that the variables inside the here-document will not be expanded by the shell
[15:47] <rworkman> alienBOB to the rescue :)
[15:47] <alienBOB> I.e. $LIBDIRSUFFIX will be passed unparsed
[15:48] <thrice`> " sed -e "s/#OMG_LIBDIR#/$LIBDIRSUFIX/" $CWD/wrapper > $PKG/usr/bin/john     or so
[15:48] <rworkman> thrice`: you'd still have to sed it.
[15:48] <rworkman> right
[15:48] <rworkman> Either approach is valid.
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[15:49] <hiptobecubic> alienBOB, is that just the explicit design? They needed a way to not substitute variables?
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[15:51] <_MaggoT_> :(
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[15:51] <_MaggoT_> after i got update my ati driver i cannot go inside kde
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[15:52] <_MaggoT_> can someone help me :(
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[15:53] <slava_dp> pprkut: how about kdebluetooth4? did anyone test that?
[15:53] <DralaFi> _MaggoT_, not enough information...
[15:53] <_MaggoT_> ok'
[15:53] <hiptobecubic> rworkman, thrice`   also it seems that the $@ should be double quoted as well
[15:53] <pprkut> slava_dp: yes, pita
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[15:53] <slava_dp> =(
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[15:54] <pprkut> indeed
[15:54] <thrice`> who needs bluetooth?  i'm sure it'll come after all of the effectz are done
[15:55] <pprkut> it is done, but needs bluez4
[15:55] <thrice`> aaha
[15:57] <thrice`> Pat sure did make 13 difficult for desktop users
[15:57] <thrice`> discuss!
[15:58] <LnxSlck> thrice`, he did? why?
[15:58] <pprkut> well, bluez4 was included in -current, but was downgraded again because a lot of things weren't ready for it
[15:58] <hiptobecubic> pprkut, ever get that cross-compiler working?
[15:59] <fredoslack> helloo
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[15:59] <fredoslack> dric where are youuu
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[15:59] <pprkut> hiptobecubic: yes, I did. The scripts are still work in progress though. I have the gcc one almost ready, but binutils needs some love
[15:59] <hiptobecubic> how exciting
[16:00] <pprkut> not sure if they are SBo compatible though
[16:00] Action: metrofox is back
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[16:04] <adamk_> _MaggoT_, How did you install the drivers?  Did you get any errors?
[16:05] <_MaggoT_> yeah
[16:05] <_MaggoT_> i cannot go inside kde now
[16:05] Action: _MaggoT_ use windows right now
[16:06] <adamk_> _MaggoT_, We'd need to see your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file from when you tried to use the fglrx driver to see why it's failing.
[16:07] <_MaggoT_> i dont know how to paste the logs under console bcoz i cannot go inside kde T_T
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[16:08] <aigon> use wgetpaste.
[16:09] <hiptobecubic> _MaggoT_, wgetpaste
[16:09] <hiptobecubic> aigon, :)
[16:09] <hiptobecubic> _MaggoT_, i think it's in sbo.
[16:09] <aigon> yeah
[16:09] <adamk_> _MaggoT_, If you edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and specify the vesa driver instead of the fglrx one, you should hopefully be able to get back into KDE again.
[16:09] <_MaggoT_> ok i go change to slackware os first
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[16:32] <kaimian> algum brasileiro??
[16:33] <mancha> your best bet is english
[16:34] <kaimian> im not speak in english
[16:34] <kaimian> im need your help too
[16:35] <mancha> i'll try, give it your best shot with english and use portugese if you have no other choice for a word or two
[16:35] <kaimian> ok ok
[16:35] <kaimian> im trying
[16:35] <kaimian> my compiz fusion, is a problem...
[16:36] <kaimian> bash: $ compiz --replace
[16:36] <kaimian> border, of windows, is off
[16:36] <kaimian> no close buttom, and anywhere
[16:36] <kaimian> bash: $ metacity --replace
[16:37] <kaimian> the border, of window, is back!
[16:37] <kaimian> bash: $ compiz --replace
[16:37] <mancha> hrmm, i don't use compiz-fusion (sorry) to me that's all eye candy  :>
[16:37] <kaimian> the border, is off!
[16:37] <metrofox> kaimian, this happened because you changed window manager...
[16:37] <metrofox> I don't use compiz & co. too, so I won't be able to help you anymore :( Sorry!
[16:38] <kaimian> hmmm
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[16:38] <metrofox> however that's an usual issue, if you search somewhere you might find a solution =)
[16:38] <maggot_> lol
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[16:38] <kaimian> ok ok, no problem, thx for your help :)
[16:38] <EasyTUX> border line is back ? lol
[16:38] <kaimian> EasyTUX,
[16:38] <maggot_> i go re-install my slackware then the vga problem resolved
[16:38] <kaimian> border of window = off if compiz --replace
[16:38] <maggot_> adamk, :the problem resolved
[16:39] Nick change: maggot_ -> _MaggoT_
[16:39] <metrofox> kaimian, we got it ;)
[16:39] <EasyTUX> kaimian: You must use special frontend for compiz kinda csm... I don't remember...
[16:39] <metrofox> however kaimian, what window manager are you using with compiz?
[16:39] <metrofox> EasyTUX, ccsm ;)
[16:40] <EasyTUX> yes !
[16:40] <kaimian> metrofox, im install emerald
[16:40] <metrofox> compizconfig-settings-manager(this should be its extended name)
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[16:40] <metrofox> kaimian, try to type this command: emerald --replace
[16:40] <kaimian> yeah, im have ccsm
[16:40] <kaimian> ok wait
[16:41] <kaimian> bash-3.1$ emerald --replace &
[16:41] <kaimian> [1] 3598
[16:41] <kaimian> bash-3.1$
[16:41] Channel flood from kaimian -- kicking
[16:41] <kaimian> nothing
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[16:41] <metrofox> ...
[16:41] <mako-sama> ouch
[16:41] <metrofox> LOL
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[16:41] <EasyTUX> that's hard...
[16:41] <kaimian> my border window dont be change..
[16:41] <metrofox> kaimian, but do they appear now?
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[16:42] <kaimian> im not understand sorry
[16:42] <metrofox> hey deco
[16:42] <adamk_> kaimian, "compiz --replace" starts compiz without any plugins.
[16:42] <adamk_> kaimian, No plugins means no functionality.
[16:42] <deco> metrofox: hey
[16:42] <metrofox> deco, what's up? ;)
[16:42] <kaimian> adamk, oh good
[16:42] <kaimian> qhat
[16:42] <kaimian> what
[16:42] <kaimian> installing
[16:42] <kaimian> plugins
[16:42] <kaimian> on the compiz?
[16:42] <deco> metrofox: nothing much, gonna keep reading my php book and you ?
[16:42] <metrofox> kaimian, mmm... Are you still without window border?
[16:42] <adamk_> kaimian, You have to start compiz with the 'ccp' plugin for ccsm to work.
[16:42] <metrofox> deco, I'll go to bed soon...
[16:43] <metrofox> 30 mins max. ;)
[16:43] <deco> metrofox: oh :P, i'm still using kde 3.5 :P
[16:43] <kaimian> adamk, hmm, you have a command line for it?
[16:43] <adamk_> metriccwrench, His decorations will never work if he just runs 'compiz --replace' even if he starts 'emerald --replace ' manually.
[16:43] <metrofox> deco, is still fast or it gets slower? :D
[16:43] <deco> metrofox: super fast!
[16:43] <EasyTUX> though just as compiz is... kaimian: get rid of border window can you turn the whole desktop with ctrl-alt-<arrow left/right> ?
[16:43] <adamk_> Damn...  Why do I have such a hard time with tab completion today.
[16:44] <kaimian> bash: compiz --replace = no-bordser-window
[16:44] <metrofox> deco, mmm... I prefer fluxbox :D
[16:44] <kaimian> bash: metacity --replace = yes border windo
[16:44] <deco> metrofox: yeah it's nice
[16:44] <adamk_> kaimian, You need to start compiz like so 'compiz --replace --ignore-desktop-hints ccp &'
[16:44] <metrofox> deco, obviously KDE != Fluxbox... I mean, they're different projects with different purposes =)
[16:44] <deco> metrofox: imo it's the  best window manager :P
[16:44] <EasyTUX> kaimian: When moving a window does it twist ? Then here you are...
[16:45] <adamk_> kaimian, And you need to make sure the window decoration plugin is enabled in ccsm.
[16:45] <kaimian> ok adamk im trying
[16:45] <metrofox> deco, KDE or flux?
[16:45] <kaimian> in ccsm
[16:45] <kaimian> ok
[16:45] <deco> metrofox: flux
[16:45] <kaimian> im trying, wait
[16:45] <deco> metrofox: kde is a desktop environment :P
[16:46] <thrice`> kaimian, what about:  compiz --replace && gtk-window-decorator &   ?
[16:46] <metrofox> deco, yeah.. It's a little bigger :P
[16:46] <kaimian> thrice`, no, im trying it now
[16:46] <kaimian> wait
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[16:47] Action: EasyTUX Come on and twist again, wiiith slaaack, twist again, do you remember when... LOOL
[16:47] <kaimian> thrice`, no b order =(
[16:47] <metrofox> however fluxbox is one of the most used w.m. because of its lightweight, its simplicity and it's easy to configure too...
[16:47] <mancha> "...like you did last version..."
[16:48] <adamk_> Again.
[16:48] <adamk_> 'compiz --replace' will not work.
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[16:48] <adamk_> You need to start compiz with 'compiz --replace --ignore-desktop-hints ccp &'
[16:48] Action: _MaggoT_ dam the problem is back when i go change my resolution :(
[16:48] <kaimian> im trying
[16:51] <kaimian> adamk, !!!!!
[16:51] <kaimian> Great job!!!!]
[16:51] <kaimian> funcionou!!!
[16:52] <kaimian> thanks for all
[16:52] <kaimian> for help
[16:52] <kaimian> xD
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[16:53] <kaimian> compiz --replace --ignore-desktop-hints ccp && emerald --replace &
[16:53] <kaimian> xD
[16:53] <adamk_> If you have 'emerald' in the Command field in ccsm --> window decoration, you won't need to start it manually, either.
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[16:54] <Bassist> Sooo, I did an official package upgrade, and now all of my icons are gone
[16:54] <mancha> lemme guess, pidgin?
[16:54] <Bassist> mancha: Well, that was part of the upgrade, yeah
[16:54] <Bassist> mancha: But I was suspecting ImageMagick
[16:54] <mancha> eh?
[16:54] <Bassist> What's Pidgin got to do with it?
[16:55] <kaimian> adamk, ok, in the command line im keep emerald or emerald --replace ? in the ccsm
[16:55] <mancha> i was gonna ask that about imagemagick!  :)
[16:55] <Bassist> (I'm on SW 13 with LXDE)
[16:55] <Bassist> mancha: Just a gut feeling :)
[16:55] <mancha> gut's wrong  :)
[16:55] <Bassist> mancha: But by all icons, I mean _all_ of them. Menus, desktop, panel, ..
[16:55] <Bassist> All gone
[16:55] <Bassist> Red X's everywhere
[16:56] <thrice`> it's shared-mime-info that killed things
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[16:56] <Bassist> So how do I fix it?
[16:56] <thrice`> try: "update-mime-database ~/.local/share/mime/"
[16:56] <slava_dp> so, what was the reason for Pat to downgrade bluez to 3. i really don't understand. all the bluetooth frontends depend on bluez >=4.0.
[16:56] <adamk_> kaimian, Either 'emerald' or 'emerald --replace' will work.
[16:56] <adamk_> bbl.
[16:57] <kaimian> xD
[16:57] <kaimian> nice
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[16:57] <mancha> aha, thrice, what broke it?
[16:57] <thrice`> shared-mime-info 0.70 changed database format, I thin
[16:57] <thrice`> think*
[16:57] <Bassist> thrice`: Brilliant :) Worked beautifully
[16:57] <Bassist> Thanks!
[16:57] <thrice`> sure thing
[16:58] <mancha> ah ok - weird this wasn't caught
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[16:58] <mancha> it's not like you can miss when all your icons go fubar  :P
[16:58] <thrice`> it can be done globally on /usr/share/mime, but not the stuff in ~/ .  it really should be in the changelog
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[16:58] <thrice`> maybe Pat doesn't test his packages? :)
[16:59] <mancha> hrmm, don't say that! i will not rest easy at night
[16:59] <mancha> maybe a channel opper shoudl topic your fix, lots of people are having this problem
[17:00] <Bassist> Did lots of people ask?
[17:00] <Bassist> I'm seeing a few topics already on linuxquestions.org
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[17:00] <pprkut> slava_dp: erm...yes. *now*
[17:00] <mancha> at least 3 while i've been on, which isn't much
[17:01] <mancha> my % time reading isn't much i mean, so i imagine a lot more than 3
[17:01] <pprkut> slava_dp: you'd have to think a few months back
[17:01] <thrice`> alienBOB has blogged about it, too:  http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/gtk-icons-suddenly-missing/
[17:01] <mancha> it would be good to topic though...
[17:02] <pprkut> didn't we have "don't ask stupid questions!" somewhere....
[17:02] Action: pprkut hides
[17:03] <fire|bird> lol
[17:03] <XGizzmo> How about putting don't run current if you can't stand some breakage from time to time.
[17:04] <Bassist> I don't know, I can stand some breakage, but it doesn't mean I have to leave the breakage standing :)
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[17:05] <Bassist> And the beauty of current is that it rarely is broken
[17:05] <thrice`> yep, sometimes it's impossible to avoid such things :)
[17:05] <pprkut> which might be the reason why it is now
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[17:05] <mancha> the beauty of -current is that it's a way for the des to get feedback from the user base
[17:05] <thrice`> surely Pat should not touch /home with any script
[17:05] <mancha> s/des/devs
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[17:06] <mancha> so the breakage-bitching-fixing cycle is important for the development of the distrib
[17:07] <thrice`> that's not really true with slackware, though.  Pat doesn't put things in -current just to test them
[17:07] <pprkut> from my point of view people are too used to -current being "stable"
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[17:07] <thrice`> pprkut, because for years, it has been :)  people start to depend on it, I guess
[17:07] <pprkut> holding out on some fixes might have helped some to remember that -current is meant to break things
[17:07] <XGizzmo> it should be breakage-submit_a_fix-fixing cycle
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[17:08] <mancha> thrice, not intentionally maybe, but the truth is in any dev environment, if you roll upgrades real-time, things will break. and making current public allows his "beta" group to include all of us who use -current
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[17:09] <mancha> so i see it as a very positive thing. if i were a dev i'd love to get bug reports rather than slowly find them myself
[17:09] <thrice`> but it's nice that Pat avoids stuff like "mesa-7.7_reallyunstable" and such just for the sake of having it
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[17:15] <Bassist> Other mime related question, when I update the database in /usr/share/mime with root, I get errors about "Unknown media types"
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[17:18] <Bassist> And for some reason, many file types like .zip and .pdf don't have the right applications associated
[17:18] <Bassist> So when I click on a PDF, lxde doesn't know any more what to do
[17:20] <mancha> just hope it doesn't start acrobat - that has more holes than windows itself, scary thought
[17:22] <Bassist> mancha: It doesn't even suggest xpdf
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[17:27] <Bassist> brb restart
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[17:30] <Bassist> Alright, downgrading to shared-mime-info 0.6 brought everything back to normal
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[17:31] <mancha> weird, he's either in portugal or he's got a stalker
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[17:36] <amazon10x> i need to back up all the configuration files in my home directory (the .blah files). how do i do this?
[17:36] <amazon10x> i mean, i need to tar them up or something
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[17:39] <metrofox> well... I go to bed now ;)
[17:39] <metrofox> see ya amazon10x, ciao deco
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[17:40] <_MaggoT_> cool
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[17:40] <_MaggoT_> i just try desktop cube :p
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[17:46] <mako-sama> amazon10x: create a list of directories you want to backup, then feed that list to tar
[17:46] <Scuzz> amazon10x : tar czf /path/to/save/filename.tar.gz /home/use_name-here/.*
[17:47] <mako-sama> Scuzz: I've never tried it that way, but won't that include everything in . ?
[17:47] <Scuzz> yeah i thin
[17:47] <Scuzz> i hacvnt tried it
[17:47] <Scuzz> but i think thats what he wanted
[17:47] <Scuzz> oh jsut configs
[17:48] <Scuzz> i get ya
[17:48] <amazon10x> .* grabs like everything i think
[17:48] <amazon10x> because of the .. directory
[17:48] <mako-sama> yeah.. he only wanted hidden directories. :|
[17:48] <Scuzz> yeah sorry its how i read your message
[17:48] <mako-sama> yes amazon10x
[17:48] <amazon10x> so it ends up climbing through the whole /home
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[17:49] <mako-sama> amazon10x: maybe there is a way to do it better, but the way I do it is make a list of the directories i want to backup, then I feed that list to tar
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[17:49] <Scuzz> your right
[17:49] <Scuzz> grabbed everything
[17:49] <amazon10x> there's gotta be a better way
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[17:50] <mako-sama> amazon10x: ls -a|grep '^\.'   << this will give you a list of everything, but it will include . and ..
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[17:55] <mmlj4> I just put my my second slack server this afternoon :-)
[17:56] <slacker84> can i get slackware to boot faster?
[17:56] <hiptobecubic> slacker84, sure it's possible.
[17:57] <hiptobecubic> slacker84, start with bootchart (sbopkg) and you'll see where the slow parts are. the rest is up to you
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[18:03] <amazon10x> what is 'p' in terms of money
[18:03] <amazon10x> i'm trying to order something that costs "99p"
[18:03] <BP{k}> pence.
[18:03] <BP{k}> english moneny.
[18:03] <fire|bird> howdy BP{k}
[18:03] <amazon10x> so is that like one GBP?
[18:03] <mako-sama> almost
[18:04] <mako-sama> minus a penny
[18:04] <amazon10x> well, 0.99 GBP :P
[18:04] <amazon10x> hmm, 1.63 USD. the u.s. is sucking lately
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[18:04] <mako-sama> yes.. what are you buying?
[18:04] <amazon10x> pricing out VPSs
[18:04] <amazon10x> my current provider is hassling me, so i'm looking at what i'm going to switch to
[18:04] <mmlj4> linode is great
[18:05] <amazon10x> mmlj4: i'm going for a more budget host than that
[18:05] <mmlj4> they exist. good luck.
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[18:08] Action: BP{k} prefers linode as his VPS
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[18:10] <BP{k}> mmlj4: well spoken  ;)
[18:10] <BP{k}> fire|bird: howdy, how goes? :)
[18:11] <fire|bird> BP{k}: great, thanks. you?
[18:11] <Dominian> mmlj4: Keep in mind.. you get what you pay for
[18:11] <Dominian> and linode is cheap compared to most
[18:11] <BP{k}> fire|bird: not bad. Had a good time watching the Formula 1 Grand Prix earlier today .. at the moment poking around my obscure bash codes
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[18:11] <BP{k}> Dominian: s/mmlj4/amazon10x/
[18:12] <Dominian> doh
[18:12] <mmlj4> danke
[18:12] Action: Dominian >> amazon10x 
[18:12] <powtrix> I work near Interlagos
[18:12] <powtrix> 10min from there
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[18:13] <BP{k}> powtrix: nice :)
[18:13] <mmlj4> hrm... video conferencing... I wonder how that works with asterisk, and what kind of clients exist
[18:13] <amazon10x> Dominian: yeah, i know. i'm not doing anything mission critical though, so when downtime happens, it's not killing me
[18:13] <amazon10x> after working out the inital kinks for a couple months (brand new company), my last provider was doing well, and i think i had a good deal in terms of specs from them
[18:13] <Dominian> still you will get wha tyou pay for ;)
[18:14] <Dominian> and depending on the VPS provider.. some of them have more down time than uptime
[18:14] <amazon10x> yeah, i've heard some horror stories
[18:14] <amazon10x> my provider really never had a problem with extended downtime, just a lot of reboots for a while
[18:15] <amazon10x> they had just started their company, so they were still getting configurations and crap correct for their virtualization
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[18:20] <BP{k}> I would find that quite annoying, but that is me.
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[18:21] <amazon10x> yeah it was annoying for a while, i came quite close to switching. but they got the problems worked out, and held on to me because i couldn't get a better deal
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[18:21] <amazon10x> 768MB of ram, 80GB hdd, and 800GB of bandwidth
[18:22] <amazon10x> for 10 USD per month
[18:22] <amazon10x> i think i might get a xen vps this time though. i wonder if it's easier to load slackware on those
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[18:23] <ananke> if it's a paravirtualized xen domU, then you'd need a xen-enabled kernel
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[18:25] <amazon10x> ananke: i guess that means a kernel rebuild would be in order
[18:26] <ananke> yes, which may or may not qualify as 'easier'
[18:26] <ananke> not to mention you'll have to patch it too
[18:26] <amazon10x> isn't xen support in .30 now or something like that?
[18:26] <ananke> some of it, yes
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[18:45] <acidtripper> Hey
[18:46] <deco> hey
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[18:49] <Urchlay> | Upgrading minicom-2.1-x86_64-4 package using ./minicom-2.1-x86_64-3.txz
[18:50] <Urchlay> so slackpkg doesn't look at the build number, it always assumes the files on the FTP server are newer?
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[18:51] <Urchlay> (the -4 minicom is something locally modified, slackware doesn't have a minicom -4, at least not yet)
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[18:55] <acidtripper> how oss4 works?
[18:55] <acidtripper> any idea there?
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[18:56] <adamk_> I've used oss4 on slackware 13.  Works fine, for the most part.
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[19:00] <acidtripper> compiling latest alsa, to see if sound works
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[19:04] <powtrix> guys you recommend a image viewer that saves the info in mysql or something like amarok? I use Gwenview but it always scan the dir :/
[19:06] <nachox> huh? an image viewer that saves info in mysql?
[19:06] <nachox> a bit like killing a fly with an atom, right?
[19:07] <powtrix> the thumbs for example. to speed up the load
[19:08] <nachox> yes, but mysql is a bit too much, most just use sqlite for those things
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[19:09] <straterra> Any of you use Rosetta Stone before?
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[19:11] <ccfreak2k> I have.
[19:11] <straterra> Do you like it?
[19:12] <ccfreak2k> The "language learning software" right?
[19:12] <straterra> Yup yup
[19:12] <ccfreak2k> It was ok I guess.
[19:12] <ccfreak2k> I'm not exactly a foreign language software conesseur or anything.
[19:12] <straterra> Hmm..ok
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[19:13] <ananke> connoisseur :)
[19:13] <ccfreak2k> I'm good at English, not French. :|
[19:14] <straterra> I'm going to be picking up Spanish (latin america) and mandarin
[19:14] <hiptobecubic> straterra, i can vouch for rosetta. I'm learning dutch and i think it's fabulous
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[19:42] <harley> is there an problem with the wicd package for slackware 13?
[19:42] <NaCl> yes
[19:42] <harley> good, so it's not just me ;)
[19:43] Action: NaCl pokes rworkman 
[19:43] <NaCl> harley: download and install 1.6.2.2, that one is far less broken
[19:43] <mako-sama> what is wrong with wicd?
[19:43] <harley> NaCl: from the wicd website?
[19:44] <NaCl> Yeah.
[19:44] <NaCl> You can use the included slackbuild on 1.6.2.2, just change VERSION appropriately
[19:44] <NaCl> mako-sama: 1.6.2.1 can't handle non-alphanumeric ESSIDs
[19:44] <mako-sama> ah...
[19:45] <mako-sama> i've never used it before :|
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[19:48] <mancha> wicd has had a troubled past...i wish it weren't in python
[19:48] <NaCl> mancha: curious.  why?
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[19:49] <mancha> because if it were in C i'd be able to hack the gremlins out of broken regex code in a nanosecond  :)
[19:49] <straterra> I can't read python to save my life
[19:49] <NaCl> mancha: heh
[19:49] <|ast|> http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1255566608/Epic_Drunk_Shatters_The_Curve_On_Drunkenness
[19:49] <|ast|> xDDDD
[19:50] <mancha> straterra, which brings up the more important point, why would you _want_ to be able to parse python
[19:50] <NaCl> mancha: we aren't using regexes in the rewrite
[19:50] <mancha> nacl, you're on the wicd dev team?
[19:50] <NaCl> ya
[19:50] Action: NaCl wrote wicd-curses
[19:50] <mancha> ok, well for that you deserve semi-praise i guess. curses rocks
[19:51] <mancha> now if you can get rid of python, i'll give complete praise  :)
[19:51] <NaCl> There's going to be C in the rewrite
[19:51] <straterra> mancha: I've had to try to debug supybot plugins before
[19:51] <straterra> They could go a step back..and go java!
[19:52] <NaCl> mancha: the core is still going to be python, pieces of it (like stuff that calls ioctls and udev) is going to be in C.
[19:52] <mancha> for speed?
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[19:53] <mancha> NaCl, here's a suggestion...last i investigated, to get EAP working was sort of kludgy on wicd (basically a rehash of wpa_supplicant.conf syntax). maybe that's a place where it could be made easier?
[19:54] <NaCl> It's probably going to look a little more like NM in that regard.
[19:54] <harley> NaCl: I'm afraid I'm still a little new at installing slackware stuff, can you explain a little more what you mean by use the included slackbuild?
[19:54] <harley> from slackbuilds.org
[19:55] <mancha> yeah, the underscored variable names are a bit of a pita
[19:55] <rworkman> http://slackware.com/~rworkman/wicd/
[19:55] <NaCl> harley: ^
[19:55] <mancha> harley, he means use the build script and get newer source, then edit the build to reflect the newer version
[19:55] <harley> ahh, I understand now, thank you
[19:55] <thrice`> fyi, though:  http://slackwiki.org/SlackBuild_Scripts
[19:56] <NaCl> mancha: re C, more because I can't access udev via python easily without mangling the GLib install here
[19:56] <rworkman> harley: grab everything in that dir, then run ARCH=i486 ./wicd.SlackBuild inside it, or ARCH=x86_64 ./wicd.SlackBuild, depending on your arch.  Do that as root.  Then install /tmp/wicd-1.6.2.2-$ARCH-1.txz
[19:56] <thrice`> isn't udev going to depend on glib anyway?
[19:56] <mancha> Salt, gotcha, i guess the reason is not as important, i fully support the end-result: moving to C   :)
[19:57] <mancha> bbl, nacl, glad to know you're directly involved (when i migrate to wicd if i ever do, i'll know who to ask Q about all my weird unorthodox wireless setups)
[19:57] <mancha> :)
[19:57] <NaCl> thrice`: I was referring to gobject introspection stuff in python
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[19:57] <NaCl> mancha: heh
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[20:02] <thrice`> now, if only wicd wasn't in bzr ;)
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[20:03] <canyouscore>  
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[20:04] <NaCl> thrice`: that was before I joined the project.
[20:05] <NaCl> I prefer bzr to svn (which it was before it moved to Launchpad).
[20:05] <thrice`> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/canonical-contributions.html
[20:05] <thrice`> even lennart hates bzr :)
[20:06] <NaCl> bzr is exotic?
[20:06] <thrice`> don't you think?  outside of ubuntu-ish stuff?
[20:06] <deco> git is the only way ....
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[20:08] <harley> rworkman: thank you so much
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[20:08] <harley> NaCl: thank you also :)
[20:08] <NaCl> thrice`: never really thought about it.
[20:09] <NaCl> harley: np
[20:09] <harley> now, to resecure my wireless network and try it out:)
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[20:13] <NaCl> thrice`: if anything, we'd probably go back to SF.net's git, but that's probably not going to happen (not my decision).
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[20:13] <NaCl> thrice`: and even still, LP's bug tracker is *much* better than SF's.
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[20:14] <thrice`> ah, interesting
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[20:44] <repsol> Does anybody use nx client in slackware 13? I mean will the slackware 12 client work in 13?
[20:45] <repsol> I can't seem to find a client for 13
[20:45] <jeev> i use the one from noserver i think
[20:46] <jeev> http://www.nomachine.com/select-package.php?os=linux&id=1
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[20:47] <repsol> jeev, it compiled OK?
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[20:48] <jeev> its binaries
[20:48] <jeev> i use it for server
[20:48] <jeev> then i connect with a client on my windows computer
[20:49] <jeev> i use it on just two boxes
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[20:51] <repsol> Oh I have server on a centos box then I have clients all over the place ie Slackware, Gentoo, Mac
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[21:01] <repsol> jeev, that worked perfectly thanks
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[21:04] <repsol> kde4 is kewl
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[21:06] <spider1010> Oh my god its Rusdell Crow
[21:07] <repsol> So far I am really impressed with slackware 13
[21:07] <repsol> lots to learn tho
[21:07] <spider1010> *Russell Crowe
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[21:14] <har> hey guys, this is harley again on my other machine with my registered nick...
[21:14] <har> still having problems with wicd
[21:14] <hello_mot0> which linux live cd has testdisk?
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[21:15] <mfillpot> har: what kind of problem?
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[21:15] <BP{k}> hello_mot0: slackware doesn't have a test/live cd
[21:15] <har> well, when I turn off security on my router, it connects just fine...
[21:15] <mfillpot> hello_mot0: why don't you just get the official testdisk from your hdd manufacturer?
[21:15] <har> but when I enable wpa, it says it connects but with a different subnet
[21:16] <har> my lan has ip 10.....but it connects and gives me 169.....
[21:16] <NaCl> har: means that something didn't work
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[21:16] <BP{k}> 169 usually means no connection.
[21:16] <reroute> have u tried wpa assistant?
[21:17] <reroute> btw, hello slackware winners
[21:17] <har> no, didn't know about wpa assistant
[21:17] <NaCl> That does not appear to be a linux tool.
[21:18] <reroute> should be under internet in the kde4 menu, no?
[21:18] <har> NaCl: to be complete, I had it installed and working perfectly earlier...
[21:19] <NaCl> wpa_gui != wpa assistant
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[21:19] <har> then reinstalled slackware and mounted a parition I previously had used in Fedora
[21:19] <har> maybe there is a conflicting file from Fedora still present?
[21:19] <NaCl> doubtful.
[21:19] <har> okay
[21:19] <reroute> ah! NaCl kewl beans dude
[21:20] <har> any other suggestions NaCl?
[21:20] <NaCl> You could try to run wpa_supplicant on the config file in /var/lib/wicd/configureations/<MAC_OF_AP>
[21:20] <NaCl> *configurations
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[21:21] <NaCl> wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -c <that path above> as root
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[21:22] <NaCl> har: that's exactly what wicd does before running dhcpcd
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[21:26] <har> NaCl: it's still running but it keeps printing WPA: 4-Way Handshake failed- pre-shared key may be incorrect
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[21:27] <mfillpot> har: have you verified that your passphrase was entered correctly?
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[21:28] <har> mfillpot: yes
[21:28] <har> but I'll double check
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[21:28] <mfillpot> har: and make sure that all of the encryption options match what your router is using
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[21:40] <har> thanks NaCl, rworkman and everyone else that helped me, got wicd working now
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[21:45] <reroute> congrats har, #slackware on freenode best channel ever eh
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[21:53] <har> reroute: thanks yeah, definitely a good one
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[22:15] <quasar> Saw VI ? when the hell did 4 and 5 come out?
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[22:18] <reroute> every year around halloween
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[22:20] <andarius> greetings and salutations
[22:20] <reroute> salut chat
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[22:23] <fire|bird> greetings andarius, how are you?
[22:23] <andarius> salutations fire|bird, i am well and packing. you ?
[22:24] <fire|bird> I am great, thanks. Are you moving? or going on a trip?
[22:24] <andarius> travel for work
[22:24] <fire|bird> Ah, ok.
[22:24] <hitest> greetings from the north coast of Canada
[22:25] <quasar> where the moose roam !
[22:25] <fire|bird> hey hitest
[22:25] <fire|bird> quasar: and where hitest roams too apparently. :P
[22:25] <hitest> quasar: yep:)
[22:25] <hitest> hiya fire|bird:)
[22:26] <quasar> home, home on the range.. where the moose and the hitest play
[22:26] <quasar> that dont sound right to me
[22:26] <BP{k}> wotcha andarius :)
[22:26] <hitest> hi andarius. how are you?
[22:26] <hitest> quasar; lol
[22:27] <fire|bird> quasar: nah, the hitest part just throws it way off.
[22:27] <quasar> true
[22:27] <quasar> where the moose and the RCMP play!
[22:28] <hitest> hockey
[22:28] <quasar> oh ffs I knew I forgot something yesterday, the hockey game !
[22:28] <hitest> hehe
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[22:31] <usr13> Anyone know the easiest way to get the broadcom BCM4306 wireless device working on a Dell Latitude X300 laptop?
[22:31] <andarius> wotcha BP{k} :)
[22:31] <Dominian> usr13: make sure the kernel supports it.
[22:32] <Dominian> if it doesn't, probably looking at ndiswrapper
[22:32] <usr13> Ive downloaded and installed b53-firmware and b43-fwcutter packages from slackbuilds.org but do not know how to load it up.
[22:32] <Dominian> ahh.. neither do I :)
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[22:33] <usr13> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/b43-fwcutter/ &
[22:33] <usr13> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/b43-firmware/
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[22:34] <usr13> Dominian: I'll be glad to  use ndiswrapper, but don't know if I'm supposed to or not.
[22:35] <usr13> Actually, the system acts like it is loading it up.  iwconfig shows wlan0
[22:35] <usr13> But doesn't seem to connect to anything.
[22:35] <Dominian> then.. I'd say you just need to config it :)
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[22:36] <usr13> I can set essid to the proper network name but still cannot connect.  So... the system only thinks it's loading a driver for it... or... well, I don't know.
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[22:37] <usr13> Dominian: I probably just need to install ndiswrapper...
[22:38] <usr13> But have installed b43-fwcutter and well, might work if I knew how to install the firmware.  I've read the instructions over and over and still don't get it.
[22:38] <usr13> It doesn't seem to explain how to load the firmware up.
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[22:41] <Knightingale> does anyone know of a font that has all the super and sub script numbers
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[22:51] <acidtripper> Hi
[22:51] <acidtripper> i solved sound problem compilling new alsa drivers
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[22:52] <cryptic0> how can I disable lookup of eth0 ip address during boot?  it obviously can't find one and then assumes a IPV4LL address.  I think it's creating problems in my wireless set up too.
[22:52] <Dominian> cryptic0: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf
[22:53] <Dominian> You can tell it not to do DHCP if thats what you mean
[22:53] <cryptic0> so just set dhcp=no in eth0?
[22:53] <Dominian> yes
[22:54] <cryptic0> ok
[22:54] <cryptic0> is there a way to get latest alsa packages for slackware 13?  I am having issues with sound after upgrade. basically no sound.
[22:55] <Dominian> alsamixer ?
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[22:55] <cryptic0> alsamixer says nothing is muted
[22:56] <Dominian> strange
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[22:56] <cryptic0> sigmatel STAC9228 chip
[22:56] <cryptic0> dell inspiron 1525
[22:56] <cryptic0> sound was ok before upgrade, now its gone
[22:56] <Dominian> strange
[22:57] <Dominian> You can always get the latest alsa and use the slackbuilds to build it
[22:57] <cryptic0> can someone with no programming experience do it?
[22:57] <Dominian> probably
[22:58] <cryptic0> hmm, btw, what is this last channel in alsamixer supposed to be set for? IEC 948P
[22:59] <cryptic0> it can cycle through, analog, digital
[22:59] <cryptic0> which one should it be set for?
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[23:03] <acidtripper> i have an updated package for alsa
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[23:04] <quasar> ok
[23:05] <acidtripper> is not necessary to make slackbuild
[23:05] <acidtripper> as i see :S
[23:06] <cryptic0> acidtripper, could you perhaps send it to me?
[23:06] <acidtripper> yes, are you using standard kernel?
[23:07] <cryptic0> hmmm I rolled 2.6.29.6-smp
[23:07] <acidtripper> 2.6.29.6?
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[23:08] <cryptic0> actually I used .config from slackware 12 setup to build the latest kernel.  should I have not done that?
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[23:09] <freealan>  /quit
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[23:09] <mancha> cryptic, using the same .config works well when the kernel ver is quite close, not so well with major changes
[23:09] <acidtripper> cryptic0!
[23:10] <acidtripper> cryptic0: http://gonzalo.dnsalias.org/slackware/
[23:10] <acidtripper> there is the package, is alsa all together
[23:10] <acidtripper> 2.5mb
[23:10] <cryptic0> great. can I use it with my custom kernel?
[23:10] <acidtripper> yes its for 2.6.29.6
[23:11] <cryptic0> awesome
[23:11] <acidtripper> just try if it works, first uninstall with pkgtool alsa-lib alsa-oss and alsa-utils
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[23:11] <cryptic0> does this package you sent has all libraries and utils?
[23:11] <acidtripper> someone know howto compile intel graphic drivers?
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[23:11] <acidtripper> yes
[23:12] <acidtripper> all, alsa-driver alsa-lib alsa-oss and alsa-utils
[23:12] <acidtripper> together, tryi it and tell me if it works
[23:12] <acidtripper> for you
[23:12] <cryptic0> acidchild, is it all in one .tgz package?
[23:12] <cryptic0> so installed at once?
[23:12] <acidtripper> acidtripper
[23:12] <acidtripper> yes
[23:13] <acidtripper> as you see in its name "All"
[23:13] <cryptic0> I see, so I ca'nt use upgradepkg then. I will have to removepkg alsa-lib, alsa-oss and alsa-utils
[23:13] <acidtripper> and tell me your download speed
[23:13] <acidtripper> ajam
[23:13] <acidtripper> yes
[23:13] <cryptic0> 15kbps
[23:13] <acidtripper> cool, im far away and home connection
[23:13] <acidtripper> argentina
[23:13] <acidtripper> 3mb cablemodem connection
[23:13] <cryptic0> .txz packages, is this a tarball? do I need to untar it first?
[23:14] <acidtripper> no
[23:14] <acidtripper> its a PACKAGE MAN
[23:14] <deco> installpkg
[23:14] <acidtripper> slackware packages are now in txz no tgz
[23:14] <cryptic0> ok
[23:14] <acidtripper> someone know howto compile intel grph drivers?
[23:14] <acidtripper> i cant make 2.9.0 version work on me
[23:14] <cryptic0> hmmmm, dont you acidtripper?
[23:15] <acidtripper> no you?
[23:15] <cryptic0> I use the included intel driver
[23:15] <cryptic0> I have intel gmax3100
[23:15] <acidtripper> me too
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[23:16] <acidtripper> im using 2.8.1 from extras, but i wanna 2.9.0 2.8.0 doesn't have 3d accell
[23:17] <cryptic0> how canI check what version of intel I am using?
[23:17] <acidtripper> pkgtool and search xf86-video-intel.2.x.x
[23:18] <cryptic0> acidtripper, I just installed your alsa package. Do I need to reboot before it will take effect?
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[23:19] <acidtripper> maybe
[23:19] <acidtripper> reboot if you want, relogin and tell me how it goes
[23:19] <acidtripper> alsa was working for you?
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[23:21] <acidtripper> guys
[23:21] <quasar> hey look, its upsidedown!
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[23:21] <mancha> there ae way too many Q's going round
[23:21] <acidtripper> were are setted daemons startup in slack?
[23:21] <mancha> everyone exceeds their sending
[23:22] <acidtripper> only make the rc.x executable?
[23:23] <cryptic0> acidtripper, gotta reboot. I am getting errors, can't even launch alsamixer
[23:23] <cryptic0> brb
[23:23] <acidtripper> mmm
[23:23] <acidtripper> :S, go back to the other pkg :S
[23:23] <acidtripper> i will check it
[23:23] <deco> acidtripper: and then add the name in rc.local
[23:24] <acidtripper> only name?
[23:24] <deco> acidtripper: yes
[23:24] <acidtripper> or exec wicd, for example
[23:24] <deco> no just name
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[23:25] <reroute> isn't one of linux's great features is *not* having to reboot?
[23:25] <deco> reroute: you only reboot when upgrading a kernel
[23:28] <acidtripper> someone using wicd?
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[23:29] <deco> acidtripper: i use it
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[23:30] <acidtripper> how you put icontry?
[23:30] <deco> acidtripper: wicd-client &
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[23:31] <acidtripper> on startup wm
[23:31] <deco> acidtripper: it starts automaticly ...
[23:31] <acidtripper> yes im seeing it was on startup apps
[23:32] Action: acidchild spazers out
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[23:34] <reroute> 1/8 inch to rca connecter rules the universe.  laptop > wicked ass stereo
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[23:34] <acidtripper> any files to configure on laptop?
[23:34] <acidtripper> like acpi and such things or all out of the box?
[23:35] <reroute> none, use the headphone jack to whatever on the amp
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[23:36] <deco> fredoslack: salut! :)
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[23:36] <fredoslack> yep deco  =)
[23:38] <acidchild> my coffee maker rocks my work
[23:38] <acidchild> world*
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[23:39] <acidtripper> compilling kernel 2.6.31.4.. and going for some coffee or tea
[23:39] <cryptic0> I just reinstalled the alsa packages, but now mplayer says: can't open audio device. /dev/dsp not found
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[23:39] <acidchild> alsaconfig time!
[23:39] <acidchild> =]
[23:39] <acidtripper> alsaconf
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[23:39] <acidtripper> cryptic0
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[23:39] <cryptic0> ah ok
[23:39] <acidchild> 'alsaconf' maybe
[23:39] <acidtripper> tried alsaconf with my package?
[23:39] <acidchild> hammer and a speaker works wonders too
[23:39] <acidtripper> maybe was that the problem
[23:40] <acidchild> acidtripper: alsaconf and reboot... then see what things take you
[23:40] <acidchild> where*
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[23:41] <higuita> anyone with ipsec experience? i need to setup a vpn, but i dont know if i setup it up to use the vpn server interface local network or ignore the local network and use the real destination, a special internal vlan (there is a route from local network to the internal vlan)
[23:41] <cryptic0> it is asking me if it should modify the modprobe.conf file
[23:41] <cryptic0> should I let it?
[23:41] <cryptic0> it might delete the options snd-hda-intel model=dell-3stack line from it
[23:41] <higuita> i suspect the real destination, but then, how to do the vpn with 2 networks? with 2 different vpns?
[23:41] <acidtripper> alsa working for me acidchild
[23:42] <acidtripper> cryptic0 was with that
[23:42] <acidtripper> yes
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[23:42] <acidtripper> hey higuita
[23:42] <acidtripper> changed coffee for multifruit juice
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[23:45] <antiwire> I think someone finally shot a few images of me surfing!
[23:45] <acidtripper> cryptic? sound working?
[23:45] <cryptic0> acidtripper, so a reboot is a must?
[23:45] <cryptic0> no just configured alsaconf
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[23:46] <cryptic0> going to reboot, brb
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[23:46] <acidtripper> nooo
[23:46] <deco> so i have 10 bucks right now and i'm planning on getting a vps
[23:46] <acidtripper> its not necessary
[23:46] <acidtripper> what drivers are you using?
[23:47] <acidtripper> mine or slack ones?
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[23:47] <acidtripper> battery is deceasing its energy so fast
[23:47] <acidtripper> any module or something to activate on laptops?
[23:49] <acidtripper> deco? in rc.local is not /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd start what i have to put?
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[23:49] <fatalnix1995> there are acpi modules
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[23:49] <acidtripper> what modules?
[23:50] <fatalnix1995> battery?
[23:50] <acidtripper> there is any howto or something for laptops?
[23:50] <fatalnix1995> er
[23:50] <fatalnix1995> fan, thermal...
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[23:50] <fatalnix1995> look in /lib/modules for -your- list
[23:50] <acidtripper> im compiling kernel maybe thats why... using proc
[23:50] <acidtripper> cesor
[23:50] <deco> acidtripper: first wicd starts at boot automaticlly without adding it to rc.local,
[23:50] <fatalnix1995> there should be an acpi directory
[23:50] <deco> acidtripper: is this not a slackware package ?
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[23:50] <acidtripper> only making it executable
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[23:51] <deco> acidtripper: is it an official slackware package ?
[23:51] <acidtripper> wicd?
[23:51] <deco> oh god
[23:51] <acidtripper> acpi? laptopmode?
[23:51] <acidtripper> what?
[23:52] <antiwire> this is me, starting at image Emma10171369 to Emma10171375
[23:52] <antiwire> http://www.masseyeimages.com/#/gallery/insideoh-emmawood-10-17-all-shots/emma10171369/
[23:52] <deco> you just talked to me ....
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[23:52] <acidtripper> of what package are you talking deco?
[23:52] <deco> acidtripper: wicd
[23:52] <antiwire> I'm so stoked someone actually took shots hell yes.
[23:52] <acidtripper> yes is in extras
[23:52] <deco> acidtripper: you just asked me about it again
[23:52] <fatalnix1995> no, I was only stating that acpi modules are useful for laptops.
[23:52] <acidtripper> on dvd
[23:52] <deco> acidtripper: you don't need it on rc.local
[23:52] <deco> acidtripper: it starts at boot
[23:53] <acidtripper> yes, if you make rc.wicd executable it starts at boot
[23:53] <fatalnix1995> there is no.. 'laptop' mode
[23:53] <deco> acidtripper: just installing it is enough
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[23:53] <fatalnix1995> There doesn't have to be, slackware uses little energy as it is.
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[23:53] <acidtripper> cool pic ema
[23:53] <fatalnix1995> It's not like you're running ubuntu.
[23:53] <acidtripper> s
[23:53] <cryptic0> acidtripper, acidchild: no joy
[23:54] <acidtripper> with sound?
[23:54] <acidtripper> what drivers are you using?
[23:54] <deco> acidtripper: when you want something to start at boot like mysql you make rc.mysql executable and add "mysql" to rc.local
[23:54] <deco> that's it
[23:54] <acidtripper> mm,,, i dont know if that is all true
[23:54] <antiwire> acidtripper: Emma is the name of the beach
[23:54] <antiwire> That sequence is me though
[23:54] <acidtripper> ok deco! good to know it i was with arch idea to put in some daemons section on rc.conf :p
[23:55] <acidtripper> if that pics had more resolution i would use some as wallpapers
[23:56] <antiwire> acidtripper: I'm going to order the full size set from the photographer
[23:56] <acidtripper> take a look at this
[23:56] <acidtripper> http://samwel.tk/laptop_mode/packages/tarball
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[23:57] <acidchild> http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=798259 <-- thats pretty cool
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[23:57] <acidtripper> whats that?
[23:58] <deco> read it ?
[23:58] <deco> and then you will know...
[23:58] <acidtripper> what about that laptop-mode tools
[23:58] <acidchild> hehe
[23:58] <acidtripper> i used it on arch
[23:58] <acidtripper> and were okey
[23:59] <acidchild> deco: kinda useful eh?
[23:59] <deco> interesting :P
[23:59] <deco> acidchild:  ^
[23:59] <acidchild> >:)
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