[00:00] <godling> now I'm thinking of that scene in Hot Fuzz. :P
[00:00] <antiwire> I might have posted this one in here before but it's another cool point of view that most people will never get: http://www.surfline.com/video/featured-clips/deep-in-brians-barrels-south-pacific_16404
[00:03] <godling> if you're falling into the advancig wave, can you actually give yourself a push back up by putting your hand in it?
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[00:03] <antiwire> yes
[00:03] <godling> wicked
[00:03] <jinro> antiwire,  that clip is killer!
[00:03] <antiwire> you hand and arm are you brake when you're in a clean barrel
[00:03] <antiwire> you/your
[00:04] <antiwire> you drag you hand or push your arm into the upward moving water and it will slow you down and help you balance
[00:04] <jescis> LSD`, oooh, I never knew that(after all I'm a noob to this) ;)
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[00:06] <jescis> LSD`, in fact I thought "n" was short for "and" like rocknroll :p
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[00:07] <jescis> Quiznos, thanks :)
[00:07] <Quiznos> yw
[00:07] <jescis> LSD`, thank you too. For that great information ;)
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[00:09] <antiwire> this is the same guy except in this one he jumps off a moving waverunner to get a running start. not even towed in just straight up bailed off on to his board and into a massive one: http://www.surfline.com/surflinetv/sixty-seconds/brian-conleys-giant-mexican-shack_29324
[00:09] <antiwire> it's really cool
[00:09] <antiwire> you get to see the whole wave form
[00:10] <antiwire> and to top it off, he's holding the camera in his hand this time
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[00:10] <jescis> Quiznos, I had the switches for generate line feeds and forward interrupts to the Apple II set to on m:)
[00:12] Action: jescis read the super serial card reference manual and found the last switch in my case should be set to off ;)
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[00:15] <antiwire> ok last one http://www.surfline.com/surflinetv/no-category/andy-irons_28526
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[00:19] <jeev> jessica!
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[00:21] <jescis> jeev, shut it!! ;P
[00:22] <jescis> jeev, in fact stfu with that nonsense >;P
[00:22] <jeev> :>
[00:22] <jeev> you were gone for a while
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[00:23] <jescis> yeah, I'm busy working on my Apple II things >.>
[00:23] <Reticenti> goddamnit microsoft, you take functionality out, replace it with something shitty then i try to make it work again, and you tell me to push the button, well the god damned button isnt there
[00:23] <jeev> like the old ass computer ?
[00:23] <twolf> my first computer was an Apple IIe
[00:24] <quasar> mine was a crappy old 8088 with a monochrome monitor :\
[00:24] <jescis> jeev, who you calling old? I'm 32 and the Apple IIe came out when I was five >:(
[00:24] <jeev> damn
[00:25] <jeev> i wasn't even born!
[00:25] <twolf> retro-computing
[00:25] <jescis> twolf, most awesome form of computing ;)
[00:26] <twolf> I still have my old apple but it won't boot
[00:26] <jescis> oh? might need a look at it :\
[00:26] <jeev> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/15/killer_robot_killed_by_fighter_jet/
[00:27] <jescis> twolf, might be a broken or bent rom/ram pin maybe?
[00:28] <antiwire> I've been waiting to hear a report like that. I am very pleased to see that.
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[00:28] <jescis> twolf, you might want to check out the csa2 faqs for troubleshooting help :\
[00:29] <twolf> jescis: perhaps, I have no idea as it booted in about 1997 but I didn't touch if until about 2005, and then there was nothing when I clicked the button
[00:29] <twolf> jescis: thanks for the tip
[00:30] <jescis> twolf, you could also asdk the people at #applefritter ;)
[00:30] <jescis> ask*
[00:30] <jescis> np
[00:31] <twolf> It was the best christmas present I ever got
[00:31] <jescis> I bet ;)
[00:32] <jescis> I used the Apple IIe for the first time when I was at school and at age 14 :(
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[00:33] <twolf> yeah they were the only computers my school system had and I graduated in 1991
[00:34] <jescis> I graduated High school in 1997 when I was 20 :(
[00:34] <twolf> it is rare for someone to graduate at that age
[00:34] <agentc0re> how does that work out?
[00:35] <fire|bird> held back a grade or two?
[00:35] <agentc0re> but at that point why not just drop out and go get a ged?
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[00:36] <jescis> either graduate or get held back another year and get kicked out on your birthday. Because you can't be 21 and in high school :(
[00:36] <Reticenti> how could i be able to ssh into slack from outside the network, but if i try to ssh from within the network, it wont work?
[00:37] <Reticenti> no iptables
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[00:37] Action: jescis was born 04/22/1977
[00:37] Action: Reticenti was born 9/23/88
[00:37] <antiwire> Reticenti: we need more information about your network and systems
[00:37] <antiwire> man.
[00:38] <Reticenti> antiwire: it's using a static ip, slack 13, i'm trying to use putty to ssh in, its connected via wifi, what else do you need to know?
[00:38] <Reticenti> and now it works
[00:39] <Reticenti> weiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirdd
[00:39] <twolf> I was born in the 70's too, my first pair of jeans were bell bottoms
[00:39] <antiwire> use -vv with ssh so we can see wtf is happening
[00:39] <jescis> Reticenti, you came out the same year Nintendo Power came out as a bimonthly magazine! :o
[00:39] <Reticenti> lol
[00:39] <Reticenti> jescis: i used to subscribe to np
[00:39] <Reticenti> and antiwire i'm sshing in with windows putty :\
[00:39] <antiwire> Reticenti: pastebin that output if you are comfortable with that
[00:40] <antiwire> so
[00:40] <jescis> so to did I ;)
[00:40] <antiwire> enable logging
[00:40] <LSD`> GED is the high school graduation cert, right? Do you actually have to attend a high school for that. I know there are various institutions here that offer that sort of educational assistance here, But I have no clue about the US...
[00:40] <Dominian> LSD`: no
[00:40] <twolf> LSD`: just take a test
[00:40] <Dominian> LSD`: most of the time adult education co urses include GED
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[00:40] <quasar> I was poor.. a neighbor subscribed for his kid, his kid didn't read them and gave them to me :) .. actually, I snuck in through his window once a month and stole his stash, but later I hyponotized him and made him believe he gave them to me
[00:41] <Reticenti> antiwire: now it works, it's only sometimes...
[00:41] <antiwire> Reticenti: well you didn't say that before
[00:41] <antiwire> you are having connectivity issues then
[00:41] <Reticenti> how so?
[00:42] <Reticenti> antiwire: I can connect via using the outside IP, but if i try to use the internal ip (192.168.x.x) it doesnt work occasionally
[00:42] <antiwire> unless you can get a decent log of it when it doesn't work I'm going to assume connectivity problems with the wifi
[00:42] Action: jeev now has enough information to guess forgot password Reticenti and jescis's gmail/yahoo/hotmail accounts
[00:42] <Reticenti> but then why would it work using the wan ip?
[00:42] <chopp> antiwire: speaking of connections, this slackAP/radius/WPA2-EAP is back solid as a rock.
[00:43] <antiwire> chopp: awesome, I'm going to be buying a PCI atheros card this weekend I think
[00:43] <antiwire> I'll be able to catch up soon
[00:43] <antiwire> Reticenti: like i said, I can only assume until we see logs of it failing
[00:43] <chopp> antiwire: right on. So you're planning the freeradius thing then?
[00:44] <antiwire> chopp: yep, as soon as I have the hardware for my tower
[00:44] <chopp> \o/
[00:44] <Reticenti> ok, next time it happens, i have the verbose log going
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[00:44] <jescis> jeev, I cguarantee you can't guess any of my passwords ;)
[00:45] <jescis> guarantee*
[00:45] <Reticenti> drowssap
[00:45] <Reticenti> thats it isnt it
[00:45] <antiwire> this new job I got has immersed me in telecom gear and software
[00:45] <jescis> antiwire, ever used Modem.MGR? ;)
[00:46] <antiwire> We use shoregear equipment
[00:46] <jescis> oh...
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[00:47] <antiwire> and adtran switches, mostly
[00:47] Action: jescis knows not shoregear... but does know Modem.MGR is an Apple II telecomm software application >.>
[00:48] <jeev> oregon trail > *
[00:48] <antiwire> lol
[00:48] <bolide> jeev, I just played that about an hour ago
[00:48] Action: jescis wishes he had Oregon Trail :(
[00:48] <jeev> on what bolide ?
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[00:49] <jescis> bolide, on what system?
[00:49] <bolide> emulator
[00:49] <jeev> has anyone noticed when i talk, people who've never said a single word start to talk ?
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[00:49] <jescis> jeev, it's just your imagination >.>
[00:50] <bolide> jescis, virtualapple.org has disk images for public domain games
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[00:50] <bolide> jeev, I'm not new and I have spoken to you before :P
[00:50] <jeev> oh :D
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[00:51] <velusip> :| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbVY5teBzlg
[00:51] <jescis> bolide, I need more floppies!! to copy it to my actual Apple IIe >.>
[00:52] Action: jescis uses adtpro to copy from his computer to his Apple IIe using the serial port ;)
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[00:53] <jescis> bolide, especially if it takes more then one disk >.>
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[00:55] Action: jescis remember being able to flip the disks upside down to work on the other side. But DS/DD disk he has don't work like that :\
[00:55] <chazbro> heh ...283 nicks in here, but it's almost silent as a tomb
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[00:56] <antiwire> Does anyone else have a problem with xfce's "Terminal" program and not properly wrapping lines?
[00:56] <byteframe> I don't get people who call a tissue "a kleenex".
[00:56] <antiwire> I've tried using the reset and clear option but it still doesn't line feed / wrap long lines properly
[00:56] <twolf> byteframe: are you from the USA?
[00:56] <byteframe> Yes.
[00:56] <chazbro> lol
[00:56] <mancha> byteframe do you object to qtip (vs cotton swab), xerox (vs photocopy), etc?
[00:56] <chazbro> like ppl who call pain reliever asprin
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[00:57] <byteframe> Of the above, I only use q-tip.
[00:57] <chopp> antiwire: I had that problem last night actually.
[00:57] <jescis> antiwire, I open the other terminal in kde(not konsole but the other one) and it restarts my session :\
[00:57] <antiwire> chopp: wtf am I supposed to do to fix it?
[00:57] <chazbro> antiwire has a issue... shouldnt we focus on helping the issue?
[00:58] <antiwire> it's annoying as all hell and makes navigating long paths a pain in the ass
[00:58] <chazbro> try typing "clear"
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[00:58] <jescis> maybe a setting?
[00:58] <chazbro> it should reset
[00:58] <antiwire> tried all that
[00:58] <antiwire> does not fix the wrapping issue
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[00:59] <chopp> antiwire: dunno. That's the only time I've experianced it. I don't use Terminal that much.
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[00:59] <chazbro> im running Terminal now actually
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[00:59] <jescis> font maybe?
[00:59] <chazbro> wel in this instance for irssi its xterm
[01:00] <chazbro> but on my other screens im running XFCE's Terminal
[01:00] <jescis> font/font size
[01:00] <chazbro> oh wait... i have this same issue in Konsole
[01:01] <chazbro> what i do is make the window for it bigger or smaller
[01:02] <chazbro> bigger usually works best
[01:03] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux
[01:03] <antiwire> rworkman helped me.... set TERM=linux
[01:03] <antiwire> all better
[01:03] Action: jescis points to tty for best results, although might be wrong :\
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[01:03] <rworkman> :)
[01:03] <chazbro> rworkman saves the day once again :D
[01:04] <chazbro> you the man rworkman
[01:04] <jescis> rworkman, bumb ;p
[01:04] Action: rworkman should be in bed :/
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[01:05] Action: chazbro wants to say a BIG Thank You to rworkman for all the slackbuilds
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[01:05] <rworkman> At this point, the vast majority of them are probably contributed by non-admins
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[01:06] <rworkman> Nonetheless, you're welcome; glad they're useful
[01:06] Action: jescis uses slackbuilds >.>
[01:07] <chazbro> i see yourwell im glad you're there to oversee
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[01:07] Action: chazbro wishes rworkman a good nights rest
[01:08] <rworkman> Well, I've been mostly absent over the last week or so, and that will remain the case for another week probably; been busy working on other stuff that I need for another project, and then off to Gatlinburg tomorrow until Tuesday
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[01:08] <jescis> is there a certain time to wait for all the mirrors for slackware updates to have updates?
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[01:10] <chazbro> dudes, when i first started using irrsi, i hated it... MAN it really grows on you :D
[01:10] <chazbro> sorry just had to put that outthere
[01:10] <jescis> sure does :)
[01:10] <dive> it's the bees knees
[01:10] <rworkman> jescis: all of the mirrors should be updated by now
[01:10] <bolide> fuck bees
[01:11] <jescis> rworkman, ah thanks :)
[01:11] <rworkman> bolide: that stinging sensation when you pee may have multiple sources then.
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[01:11] <chazbro> LOL
[01:11] <chazbro> :D :D :D rofl
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[01:12] <bolide> I would punch a bee in the face.
[01:12] <chopp> here we go
[01:12] <rworkman> ah, put down the bong and go eat something.
[01:12] <bolide> I wish I had a bong :\
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[01:12] <chazbro> bolide, its bees that help the plants grow... no bees, no life
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[01:13] <chazbro> no plants, you wouldnt exist
[01:13] <bolide> chazbro, ever heard of Dane Cook?
[01:13] <chazbro> no plants = no oxygen
[01:13] <bolide> if you haven't, youtube 'Dane Cook bees'
[01:13] <jescis> chazbro, yes you would... just not for long ;)
[01:14] <chazbro> whole cirlce of life thing
[01:14] <chazbro> some things in nature you just leave the heck alone
[01:15] <chazbro> or you slit your own wrists
[01:15] <bolide> and bees aren't the only insect that pollinate, sure, sure, possibly less plants but I highly doubt the lack of bees in the world would cause all vegetation to stop :)
[01:15] <jescis> probably dieing from carbon minoxide poison or something >.> ;)
[01:15] <spook> if we dont come down hard on these clowns we'll be up to our balls in jugglers
[01:16] Action: rworkman &
[01:16] <dive> leave the bees alone and go for the clowns
[01:16] <spook> rworkman: fg
[01:16] <rworkman> -ENOMEM
[01:16] <chazbro> fg???
[01:16] <chazbro> whats fg?
[01:16] <dive> ctrl-z
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[01:17] <dive> foreground
[01:17] <mancha> oppositre of bg
[01:17] <spook> rworkman: kill -s SIGCAFFIENE
[01:17] <rworkman> ick
[01:17] <dive> let the man sleep :P
[01:17] <rworkman> That will make for a long day tomorrow and then a *long* drive to Gatlinburg
[01:17] <rworkman> Anyone who happens to be in that area though, look me up from Saturday to Monday
[01:18] <spook> rworkman: ^Z
[01:18] <rworkman> later all
[01:18] <dive> nn
[01:18] <chazbro> night
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[01:19] <chazbro> if xterm could have tabs, i would switch to xterm exclusively
[01:19] <dive> chazbro, mrxvt?
[01:19] <chazbro> only thing wrong with it
[01:19] <chazbro> huh?
[01:20] <dive> mrxvt has tabs
[01:20] <chazbro> i have rxvt
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[01:20] <dive> and it's light as xterm rvxt etc
[01:20] <dive> check slackbuilds for it
[01:20] <chazbro> ok-doke
[01:20] <chazbro> thanks :)
[01:20] <dive> only thing wrong with it is lack of utf-8 currently
[01:21] <mancha> xterm has no real utf8 either
[01:21] <jescis> what's the best way to go to slack 13? adding the same mirror with 13.0 instead of 12.2? or some other way?
[01:21] <dive> I use urvxt + screen
[01:21] <chazbro> naah i love xterm's tiny fonts
[01:21] <jescis> this is of course for slackpkg >.>
[01:22] <dive> you can set the fonts though
[01:22] <chopp> urxvt/screen ftw
[01:22] <dive> jescis, I updated 2 boxes with slackpkg like that
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[01:22] <spook> jescis: UPGRADE.TXT on the 13.0 package tree
[01:22] <dive> no problems at all so long as you read the docs
[01:22] Action: slackmagic nods in agreement on  urxvt+screen ftw!
[01:23] <Reticenti> what's urxvt?
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[01:23] <missyjane> hi
[01:23] <fire|bird> Reticenti: a terminal, rxvt-unicode
[01:23] <spook> missyjane: hi jane
[01:23] <missyjane> is there a document setter for me? i want to write a guide
[01:23] <spook> document setter
[01:24] <spook> can you explain what you mean jane?
[01:24] <missyjane> well..
[01:24] <missyjane> hm.. i wanna write a guide and i want all the formats already setup for me.. like table of contents.. etc
[01:24] <missyjane> basically i put in stuff, out comes an already formatted book
[01:24] <Reticenti> hi missyjane
[01:24] <missyjane> hi Reticenti
[01:24] <missyjane> take say http://tldp.org/ for example
[01:25] <missyjane> all the document look so similar, leading me to believe they all used a similar document setter
[01:25] <dive> latex would be good for that
[01:25] <spook> missyjane: yeah, latex
[01:25] <missyjane> latex?..
[01:25] <fire|bird> dive: yeah, that'd be great for that.
[01:25] <spook> missyjane: its really kinky, in /t/
[01:25] <Reticenti> latex, gags, whips, you know, the usually kinky stuff
[01:25] <missyjane> LOL!
[01:25] <missyjane> no seriously, what is it called?
[01:25] <Reticenti> latex
[01:25] <chazbro> lol
[01:25] <Reticenti> really
[01:25] <fire|bird> missyjane: that is what it's called
[01:25] <spook> latex, Tex, its the /t/ package series
[01:26] <chazbro> laTex
[01:26] <missyjane> OH
[01:26] <missyjane> i see, its not already installed?
[01:26] <dive> missyjane, I would also suggest looking for a frontend for it like Texmaker on slackbuilds
[01:27] <chazbro> i wondered what that app did
[01:27] <spook> missyjane: it should be installed in a full install.
[01:27] <missyjane> i dont see it
[01:27] <missyjane> but ill just install texmaker
[01:27] <spook> missyjane: it might take you a few hours/days/weeks to learn Tex though
[01:27] <chazbro> if you installed everything Tex should be installed
[01:27] <missyjane> damn, its that hard?
[01:28] <dive> missyjane, it's a doc processing lanuage
[01:28] <dive> +g
[01:28] <fire|bird> not hard, just a learning curve like with anything your not used to.
[01:28] <spook> not hard, just time consuming
[01:28] <chazbro> is there a man page for Tex
[01:28] <missyjane> any... better one? D:
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[01:28] <mancha> i think most of ldp uses some form of docbook
[01:29] <mancha> fire, are you good with latex?
[01:29] <dive> tex/latex is probably the best document processing tool there is
[01:30] <chazbro> seriously jane give it some time... you will be glad you did
[01:30] <mancha> i believe ooo allows you to make docbooks
[01:30] <dive> yeah OOo can be a bit easier going
[01:30] <chazbro> a lot of apps are like that... at first you hate 'em cuz its so hard... then you figure some things out... and
[01:31] <missyjane> hm
[01:31] <missyjane> ok
[01:31] <chazbro> WHAMMO you're in love with it
[01:31] <missyjane> so ill install texmaker then
[01:31] <fire|bird> maybe a template out there that would work in OOo
[01:31] <missyjane> if there is somehting for OOo ill take that
[01:31] <missyjane> its better than installing new stuff :X
[01:31] <dive> well OOo makes it fairly easy to add toc, footnotes etc
[01:31] <fire|bird> missyjane: could google for an OOo template for what you're wanting to do.
[01:32] <chazbro> there might be an OOo extension too
[01:32] <missyjane> oooh they exist...
[01:32] <fire|bird> lol, like that M&M's commercial around Christmas. "Oooh, they do exist." "He does exist"
[01:32] <chazbro> there is soooo many ofthem
[01:33] <jescis> dive, I got a an error, with upgrading slackpkg... it had a problem with gpg :\
[01:33] <dive> jescis, did you 'slackpkg update' first?
[01:34] <chazbro> man if i could just figure out this file sharing thing with irssi, i think i would make the full leap to irssi and not look back
[01:34] <jescis> dive, yes
[01:34] <dive> jescis, and also I would suggest manually upgrading tar and pkgtools and install xz
[01:34] <dive> before using slackpkg upgrade-all
[01:35] <dive> chazbro, you mean dcc?
[01:36] <chazbro> probably need to make some aliases
[01:36] <fire|bird> chazbro: If it's dcc. /dcc send user_here /path/to/file
[01:36] <chazbro> simplify things
[01:36] <dive> as in dcc send chazbro ~/somefile.tar.gz
[01:36] <chazbro> its not the sending... its the receiving
[01:36] <dive> chazbro, well I have dcc get aliased to get and dcc send to send
[01:37] <Reticenti> more like /dcc send chazbro ~/goatporn.avi
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[01:37] <dive> not much more you can do to simplify it
[01:37] <fire|bird> chazbro: /dcc get user_here (nick of who's sending to you)
[01:38] <dive> it is a lot easier to have a window pop up
[01:38] <dive> except that the reason I'm awake right now is cos someone spammed me a load of dcc's on port 0
[01:38] <chopp> and you best trust who's sending you that file. :P
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[01:39] <dive> and if i had to close all those windows I wouldn't be happy
[01:39] Action: jescis reminds dive easier doesn't necessarily equal better ;)
[01:39] <fire|bird> dive: It was chopp, I seen him do it.
[01:39] <chopp> haha....maaaaybe
[01:39] <dive> fire|bird, nah someone in #perl
[01:39] <fire|bird> :P
[01:39] <chazbro> thats another thing... setting up security measures
[01:39] Action: acidchild slaps everybody
[01:39] <acidchild> *slap*
[01:39] <missyjane> ok
[01:39] Action: fire|bird nicks acidchild
[01:39] <missyjane> ty everyone
[01:39] <dive> seriously hope it got k-lined
[01:40] <fire|bird> arg, kicks*
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[01:40] Action: antiwire ducks and everyone else gets slapped twice
[01:40] Action: chazbro slap acidchild back
[01:40] <acidchild> nicks? YOUR GOING TO RAPE ME?!?!
[01:40] <acidchild> OMG :(
[01:40] <fire|bird> haha
[01:40] Action: acidchild slaps antiwire for moving
[01:40] Action: jescis punches acidchild back
[01:40] Action: acidchild breaks jescis's neck
[01:40] Action: fire|bird breaks acidchild's leg
[01:40] Action: acidchild watchs jescis drop the floor 
[01:40] Action: antiwire drinks the blood
[01:40] <acidchild> meh, i dont need legs.
[01:40] <acidchild> antiwire: sick fuck
[01:40] Action: twolf pulls out the 50cal (again)
[01:41] <acidchild> oh shittt
[01:41] <dive> fire|bird, ± DCC SEND from pryorda_ [0.0.0.0 port 0]: irc.hackerthreads.org#hackerthreads [0B bytes] requested
[01:41] <fire|bird> antiwire is now known as vampiwire
[01:41] Action: chazbro rack acidchild
[01:41] <jescis> how could I lift a floor? o.O
[01:41] <antiwire> vampi
[01:41] <acidchild> rack me?
[01:41] <antiwire> lol
[01:41] <acidchild> O.o?
[01:41] <dive> fire|bird, that was nasty
[01:41] <acidchild> is that like a motorboat? ;/
[01:41] <chopp> dive: nasty
[01:41] <acidchild> ;D
[01:42] <chazbro> nasty jackass comes in slapping everybody >_>
[01:42] <dive> chopp, I had like 20 or so requests in a few seconds - my beep_beep.pl was having a fit :-)
[01:42] <fire|bird> lol
[01:42] <chopp> haha
[01:42] <dive> woke me up..
[01:42] <acidchild> i think chazbro just called me a 'nasty jackass'
[01:42] <fire|bird> acidchild: yes, he did. :)
[01:42] Action: acidchild isn't kanye west
[01:43] <antiwire> "Largest tea bagging factory in the world"
[01:43] <fire|bird> haha
[01:43] <antiwire> lol
[01:43] Action: dive thanks god for not auto-accepting files
[01:43] <acidchild> antiwire: did you also work at the fudge packing factory to?
[01:43] <antiwire> hahha
[01:43] <chazbro> how freaking rude
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[01:43] <acidchild> chazbro: take a joke dude
[01:43] <antiwire> http://www.hulu.com/watch/93994/modern-marvels-tea?c=News-and-Information#s-p1-so-i0
[01:43] <chazbro> tlking about kanye west
[01:43] <antiwire> oh yeah, you Canadians can't see that
[01:43] <antiwire> buahaha
[01:44] <acidchild> ya bitchz, but we got proxys
[01:44] Action: antiwire runs
[01:44] Action: jescis pulls out his atari 2600 Space Invaders cartridge and fires a plasma beam at acidchild's stomach
[01:44] <chopp> asshats! Sorry, currently our video library can only be streamed from within the United States
[01:44] <dive> if it's a film about tea, do they reallyy want to watch it?
[01:44] Action: chazbro plays Pink Floyd's Run Like Hell
[01:44] <antiwire> chopp: lol
[01:45] Action: acidchild considers what jescis just did to be sexual harassment.
[01:45] <acidchild> ;<
[01:45] <acidchild> pumping me full of plasma from your cartridge ;/ sicko
[01:45] <jescis> acidchild, you a girl?
[01:45] Action: Reticenti puts on a robe and wizard hat
[01:45] <dive> you wish
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[01:45] <acidchild> only on the weekend, my gf puts the pants on
[01:45] <dive> haha
[01:46] <jescis> roflao
[01:46] <twolf> The Moon is New
[01:46] <dive> take the red pill and enter the domimatrix
[01:46] <Reticenti> lol
[01:46] <acidchild> ok1!
[01:46] <bolide> nah, it's quite old actually
[01:46] <Reticenti> bolide: only 6000 years old, right?
[01:47] <dive> if that
[01:47] <Reticenti> the earth is only 6000 years old too
[01:47] <acidchild> antiwire's mother is older than that.
[01:47] <Reticenti> so is the universe
[01:47] <acidchild> damn...
[01:47] <Reticenti> D:
[01:47] <dive> lol
[01:47] Action: chazbro is so happy this channel isnt dead at this time of night :D
[01:47] <clank> the earth was created 3 years ago
[01:47] <dive> by me
[01:47] <acidchild> by fisher price?
[01:47] <Reticenti> D:
[01:47] <clank> yes by dive
[01:48] <chazbro> hmmm well maybe i take that back...
[01:48] <acidchild> the moon?
[01:48] Action: jescis then rams his copy of a buggy version of Donky Kong For the Apple II 5.25" floppy down acidchild's throught
[01:48] <acidchild> thats one nice warranty
[01:48] <chazbro> channel full of idiots.... or a dead channel.... hmmm thats tough
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[01:49] <fire|bird> jescis: it's throat ;)
[01:49] <acidchild> jescis: ah yes, its a skill of mine, take square objects down the throat.
[01:49] <acidchild> you prefer the long broom pole type right?
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[01:49] Action: dive plugs in his TRS-80 extended color basic cartridge and does lines all over the channel
[01:49] <fire|bird> chazbro: Who you calling an idiot? :D
[01:49] <Reticenti> acidchild: are your sure it's not tube shaped object?
[01:49] <jescis> throat* <-- thanks fire|bird
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[01:49] <fire|bird> yw
[01:49] <Reticenti> err cylinder shaped*
[01:49] <chazbro> oops sorry firebird
[01:49] <fire|bird> :)
[01:49] <acidchild> Reticenti: a broom pole is somewhat tube shaped.
[01:50] <dive> line(0,0,1024,768,#ff0000)
[01:50] <acidchild> depends on if its metal or wood
[01:50] <fire|bird> that's what she said
[01:50] <chopp>  [ in bed ]
[01:50] <acidchild> 01:51 < chazbro> channel full of idiots.... or a dead channel.... hmmm thats tough
[01:50] <acidchild> okey, lets stop a second
[01:50] <acidchild> chazbro: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
[01:51] <chazbro> im anti-social
[01:51] <chazbro> does that answer your question?
[01:51] <fire|bird> The Purple 8 Ball says:  Ask again later
[01:51] Action: bolide isn't anti-social... just anti-idiot.
[01:51] <chopp> boy do I have a chick for you
[01:51] <fire|bird> hahahahaha
[01:51] <jescis> chazbro, depressed and cursed too, right? ;)
[01:51] Action: chazbro ismarried
[01:52] <dive> bolide, don't forget anti-bee
[01:52] <bolide> ah, yes.. anti-bee too
[01:52] <acidchild> chopp: like the one in the picture/
[01:52] <chazbro> im pro -bee
[01:52] <bolide> sounds to me like a new-bee
[01:52] <acidchild> chopp: i wonder whats on the stairs next to her (check your notices)
[01:52] <chazbro> lol
[01:52] <chazbro> new-bee thats a good one
[01:53] <mancha> gnu-bee
[01:53] <acidchild> never clever mancha
[01:53] <acidchild> very*
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[01:53] <acidchild> i like the orginal better though.
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[01:53] <chazbro> ok i take it back... not a room full of idiots
[01:54] <chazbro> very witty ppl here
[01:54] <chopp> acidchild: haha yeah thats the one. :)
[01:54] <dive> not quite full you mean?
[01:54] <acidchild> chopp: check that site out ;p
[01:54] <dive> standing room only
[01:54] <jescis> chazbro, if you didn't get the reference, listen to "Candidate For Suicide" on "Damn Right, And Rebel Proud", by Hank Williams III
[01:54] <jescis> ;)
[01:54] <chopp> I was lastnight
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[01:55] <chazbro> not into hick stuff
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[01:55] <jescis> it's not hick stuff >:(
[01:56] <acidchild> damn right, my night just got started
[01:56] <chazbro> Hank Williams?
[01:56] <acidchild> f*** yeah
[01:56] <jescis> it totally rocks!
[01:56] <chazbro> hick stuff
[01:56] <acidchild> chazbro: my friend brought a super hot greek stripper over earlyer
[01:56] <acidchild> chopp*
[01:56] <chazbro> who the hell cares acid?
[01:56] <acidchild> didn't think 'greek' girls waz ment to be hot
[01:56] <acidchild> chazbro: oviously not you
[01:57] <chazbro> im married
[01:57] <jescis> chazbro, Hank III not jr. and not Sr.
[01:57] <chopp> acidchild: damn wish I was there for that. :P
[01:57] <acidchild> chazbro: poor woman :(
[01:57] <acidchild> chopp: :D
[01:57] <chazbro> yeah greek gilrs are hot... & you're point is?
[01:57] <chazbro> girls*
[01:57] <bolide> yeah.. AND YOU ARE POINT IS?!
[01:58] <mancha> my am points is just thats
[01:58] <acidchild> and people wonder why this channel is quiet sometimes.
[01:58] <chazbro> your*
[01:58] <bolide> acidchild, I have faith that it's all your fault.
[01:58] <jescis> Hank III is more like rockabilly/psycho-billy or some undefined genre :\
[01:59] <chazbro> like its such hot news... Greek Girls are hot
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[01:59] Action: chazbro rols eyes
[01:59] <chazbro> rolls*
[02:00] <jescis> he's even part of assjack >.>
[02:00] <chazbro> so are italian girls... and japanese girls... and scottish girls
[02:01] <jescis> chazbro, irish girls?
[02:01] <chazbro> and my wife is native american... and she is super hot
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[02:01] <chazbro> yeah irish girls are hot too... heh heh hot-tempered
[02:02] <jescis> chazbro, I'm part cherakee myself ;)
[02:02] <jescis> 8th/9th gen though >.>
[02:02] <bolide> cherokee* ;)
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[02:03] <jescis> eh, it's still the white mans word for their real name >.>
[02:03] <chazbro> my wife is cherokee, kiowa, kickapoo, and shawnee
[02:04] <jescis> sweet!! :o
[02:04] <chazbro> and the kiowa blood will kick your ass if you're not nice to her... so ...
[02:04] <bolide> I bled out all of my native blood by the time I was 5
[02:04] <chazbro> guess who wears the pants in the family
[02:05] Action: jescis wishes he was the one married to her instead of chazbro , because he'd like to renew his native american blood >.>
[02:06] <acidchild> how very fucking boring.
[02:06] <chazbro> yeah... and im not even one drop native american...
[02:06] <chazbro> but my stepfather who raised me as a child was
[02:06] <chazbro> so i get my thinking from him
[02:07] <jescis> how can you find a native american? You can't go to a reservation can you?
[02:07] <chazbro> gee.. i thought there was a limit to language like that on here
[02:07] <jeev> jescis, go to an american indian casino
[02:07] <jeev> and bone the bosses daughter
[02:07] <chazbro> lol!!
[02:08] <chazbro> i live in oklahoma
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[02:08] <jeev> you get the proceeds and native american secks for life
[02:08] <jeev> even though i haven't seen many that turned me on, or any for that matter
[02:08] <jescis> I wanna be married before doing that kind of thing >.>
[02:08] <jeev> jescis, your biological clock is ticking
[02:09] <chazbro> you want to find a native american oklahoma is a good place to start looking
[02:09] <jescis> I know -_-
[02:09] <chazbro> New Mexico is good too
[02:09] <chazbro> a lot of peaceful NA's there
[02:09] <jescis> chazbro, I heard the same about kentucky >.> Never saw a one :(
[02:10] <jeev> i'd die before i get involved with a girl from kentucky
[02:10] <jeev> or anywhere near
[02:10] <chazbro> lol... look up Trail of tears
[02:10] <Reticenti> does anyone here use bsd?
[02:10] <chazbro> they ended up in oklahoma
[02:10] <mancha> lsd?
[02:10] <Reticenti> no, bsd lol
[02:10] <jescis> jeev, well stay away from my family... who's from tennessee and georgia >.>
[02:11] <jeev> Reticenti, yea i do
[02:11] <jeev> jeebus
[02:11] Action: jeev runs
[02:11] <acidchild> Reticenti: sure :)
[02:11] <Reticenti> why would you choose bsd over linux>
[02:11] <Reticenti> ?
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[02:11] <acidchild> stable, stock production machines.
[02:11] <jeev> Reticenti, because it's "leet"
[02:11] <acidchild> well coded kernels and core applications.
[02:11] <chazbro> security
[02:11] <acidchild> no, security is not the reason.
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[02:11] <acidchild> Linux is very secure.
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[02:12] <shik4nt4z4> Hello!
[02:12] <chazbro> i heard BSD is more secure than Linux
[02:12] <mancha> linux has more local exploits than holes in a strianer, whatya talking about willis?
[02:12] <acidchild> mancha: sure. but if you install a small install of bsd or linux
[02:12] <acidchild> they are about as secure as each other.
[02:12] <shik4nt4z4> I have a problem with my window manager. I am using Slackware64 with xfce4 but window manager did not start at startx. What may the problem be?
[02:13] <jescis> if BSD = Unix then that's the only one that runs without a fpu >.>
[02:13] <Reticenti> you mispelled startx?
[02:13] <acidchild> its just because all these distros come loaded to the eyeballs with daemons
[02:14] <acidchild> mancha: i dunno how much faith i hold in netbsd's bug migration tactics.
[02:14] <shik4nt4z4> Reticenti: What do you mean? xfce starts but without the window manager. And when I am trying to run window manager editor it doesn't run.
[02:14] <mancha> not too familiar with netbsd, tbh
[02:14] <acidchild> they DO seem to work, but in a very simular way to grsecurity
[02:14] <Reticenti> shik4nt4z4: that's like saying i turn the key on my car and nothing happens, we need mroe info
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[02:14] <chazbro> Reticenti do go elite on the newbie
[02:15] <Reticenti> sorry
[02:15] <acidchild> mancha: if you wana build a router some day, try netbsd.
[02:15] <shik4nt4z4> Well, xfce is version 4.6.1.
[02:15] <Reticenti> shik4nt4z4: are there any error messages you see when you do startx?
[02:15] <acidchild> mancha: its neat, and you can always reinstall if you like iptables too much ;]
[02:16] <Reticenti> iptables wasnt working for me :\
[02:16] <mancha> i don't mind pf
[02:16] <shik4nt4z4> Reticenti: Yes. But I have forgot where I can see that output. /var/log...?
[02:16] <acidchild> mancha: :) what you try it on?
[02:16] <acidchild> fbsd?
[02:16] <Rat409> puffy ftw!
[02:16] <mancha> open
[02:16] <Reticenti> shik4nt4z4: /var/log/messages should have it
[02:16] <acidchild> ahh, open is pretty neat.. but don't believe the hype about the security
[02:16] <chazbro> shik4nt4z4: control+alt+f1
[02:17] <mancha> i've used it for a long time, the hype has been confirmed
[02:17] <Reticenti> mancha: how do you know?
[02:17] <acidchild> mancha: over say, linux or alternative BSD's?
[02:17] <chazbro> if you're not already there
[02:17] <mancha> the devs prioritize security, its good.
[02:17] <acidchild> yeah doesn't mean their todo list gets worked though very much :)
[02:18] <Reticenti> yeah
[02:18] <jescis> mancha, ever thought of using it on a 68k machine?
[02:18] <jescis> ;)
[02:18] <mancha> take for example the latest strfmon bsd vulnerability
[02:18] <chazbro> normally doesnt the error messages get printed out to screen?
[02:18] <mancha> froma few days ago
[02:18] <mancha> it hit macos, fbsd, and a few others, not open though
[02:18] <Reticenti> chazbro: i think they also get logged to /var/log/message
[02:18] <Reticenti> /s/message/messages
[02:18] <chazbro> well yeah
[02:18] <mancha> jescis, you on a powermac?
[02:19] <chazbro> just trying to make it simple
[02:19] <acidchild> mancha: mmm stable version of netbsd wasn't effected ether :)
[02:19] <acidchild>                 NetBSD 3.0.*:           unaffected
[02:19] <acidchild>                 NetBSD 3.0:             unaffected
[02:19] <mancha> acid, aha, good news then.
[02:19] <acidchild> :D
[02:19] <acidchild> you seen a sploit for it yet?
[02:19] <mancha> i'm not trying to minimize netbsd btw, i admit i know it little
[02:19] <jescis> mancha, no, all I have is a performa 550, that has a 68030 >.>
[02:19] <slackmagic> hm, can I rant in here? lol
[02:20] <mancha> 68030 was one of the nicer motorola chips
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[02:20] <chazbro> so you ppl got a verdict on which is more secure? BSD or Linux?
[02:20] <acidchild> mancha: i know :) ty for not jumping in the deepend
[02:20] <Reticenti> chazbro: nothing is secure :D
[02:20] <slackmagic> security is a process
[02:20] <acidchild> chazbro: my verdict is your a spaz.
[02:20] <chazbro> i said MORE secure
[02:20] <Reticenti> you're*
[02:20] <jescis> mancha, I just can't get a boot CD or a floppy to boot from :\
[02:20] <acidchild> i'm very well aware of the correct spelling of you're
[02:20] <acidchild> ty Reticenti.
[02:20] <Reticenti> yw
[02:21] <mancha> netbsd 4.0 is not stable?
[02:21] <acidchild> mancha: depends on what you call stable.
[02:21] <chazbro> man you guys and your spelling
[02:21] <acidchild> some might say the wheel with rubber around it is unstable.
[02:21] <mancha> ok, well netbsd 4.0 is affected, as is current
[02:21] <chazbro> what is the big deal?
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[02:21] <slackmagic> i'm having an issue with my verizon fios connection, and could use some advice as to what could be the culprit of this problem
[02:21] <slackmagic> anyone up for this task? :D
[02:22] <fire|bird> hey slackmagic, how's it going?
[02:22] <slackmagic> what's up fire|bird
[02:22] <jescis> mancha, I have no other macs, and as I'm in this channel... I'm using Slackware 12.2 :\
[02:22] <acidchild> mancha: yeah, i've got NetBSD Security Advisory 2008-006
[02:22] <acidchild> open..
[02:22] <chazbro> lucky dog i wish i could afford a verizon fios connection
[02:22] <Reticenti> i wish fios was in my city :\
[02:22] <slackmagic> fire|bird: i could strangle the guy I was just on the phone with from verizon fios tech support
[02:23] <fire|bird> slackmagic: not much. I switched over to xfce on my laptop, kde4 was making my fan go crazy, full speed all the time. It's probably a setting, but dang.
[02:23] <fire|bird> you?
[02:23] <fire|bird> lol
[02:23] <acidchild> slackmagic: is your computer turned on?
[02:23] <slackmagic> acidchild: rofl
[02:23] <acidchild> no no sir.
[02:23] <slackmagic> na actually he wasn't that dumb
[02:23] <acidchild> DO you have a green or yellow or blue light on
[02:23] <slackmagic> he even knew about linux, kernels, and such
[02:23] <acidchild> on your computer, this tells you its plugged in
[02:23] <fire|bird> Is the monitor plugged in an turned on? Do you see anything on it?
[02:23] <mancha> Reticenti, you always seem to want to start a bsd vs linux fight
[02:24] <acidchild> please, we have a process to troubleshoot a customers issue, we must follow though.
[02:24] <Reticenti> mancha: what? this is the first time i've mentions bsd in this channel
[02:24] <mancha> i recall you doing this a few days ago too, same question, like deja vu
[02:24] <acidchild> is your computer turned on?
[02:24] <Reticenti> acidchild: how do i know if my internet toaster machine is turned on?
[02:24] <chazbro> slackmagic: i wish i could have your problem, just so i could get your fios internet
[02:24] <fire|bird> OH No, acidchild has turned in to a tech support automated message.
[02:24] <mancha> Ret, wasn't it you who posted the thing about some hacker and bsd being unsafe?
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[02:24] <acidchild> Reticenti: you will hear a ding after 45 seconds.
[02:24] <Reticenti> mancha: oh yeah,
[02:25] <acidchild> acidkill_: !! hey dude
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[02:25] <mancha> so what's the deal?
[02:25] <Reticenti> acidchild: don't you mean a ping after 45 seconds :D
[02:25] <mancha> are we gonna have the bsd vs linux thing every 2 days from you?  :)
[02:25] <acidchild> okey, in new models it goes ding
[02:25] <acidchild> mancha: WINDOWS BEATS ALL
[02:26] <acidchild> ./flamewar --start
[02:26] <fire|bird> acidchild: You mean you don't have a toast that, when done, says "You've got toast." ?
[02:26] <fire|bird> s/toast/toaster/
[02:26] Action: chazbro slaps the piss out of acidchild for blasphemy
[02:26] <twolf> less filling!!
[02:26] <acidchild> fire|bird: i have a microwave with a help button on it
[02:26] <fire|bird> lol
[02:26] <nix_chix0r> acidchild, sup poopy butt
[02:26] <acidchild> that says 'error' all the time if i open the door without pressing stop
[02:26] <jescis> imo both are good. just one is more easily portable >.>
[02:26] <acidchild> nix_chix0r: not bad, skanky ho
[02:26] <acidchild> =] what you up to?
[02:26] <nix_chix0r> :)
[02:27] <nix_chix0r> installed wine to play half life 2
[02:27] <nix_chix0r> zombieeeees
[02:27] <Reticenti> mancha: i'm just interested in the difference between linux and bsd, as i don't really see the benefit from running one over the other
[02:27] <acidchild> :D nix_chix0r getting all steamy eh?
[02:27] <chazbro> [sighs]
[02:27] <fire|bird> acidchild: So, how's the help on the microwave, "For popcorn, press 1" "For pizza, press 2"..... ? :P
[02:27] <acidchild> chazbro: wut, are your feeling hurt?
[02:27] <nix_chix0r> yarr
[02:27] <acidchild> fire|bird: brb i'll take a PICTURE
[02:27] <acidchild> for you
[02:27] <slackmagic> so, the problem is as follows: every couple of hours or so, I can't access any webpages. On none of my linux-based systems, and not even if I had my gf boot up to the windows portion on her laptop. This problem occurred ever since I had to replace the fios router since the older one just died on me. (yep, wouldn't even turn on). Everything else works, IRC works, pidgin chats work just fine), it's just I can't access any webpages. My reaso
[02:27] <mancha> this isn't the place....most people are exclusively linux users here. go try them both out and read
[02:28] <chazbro> windblows crapware... seriously folks??
[02:28] <Reticenti> mancha: i have been reading, i jsut like first hand accounts :)
[02:28] <Reticenti> well, second hand in this case
[02:28] <mancha> this isn't where you get them.
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[02:28] <mancha> this is a slackware discussion channel not a bsd vs linux famewar battlefield
[02:29] <Rat409> Reticenti: its really more about philosophy,roots than which is best both have pro's,con's,in the end security depends on admin practices
[02:29] <slackmagic> not only that, after talking to him for about 20+ minutes, he decides to run some tests on his end....and voila, he just simply hangs up the call...ARGGHH!!
[02:29] <Reticenti> ah
[02:29] <Reticenti> thanks Rat409
[02:29] <fire|bird> y0 Rat409, how's it going?
[02:29] <Reticenti> antiwire: so that ssh thing happened again
[02:29] <Rat409> good fire|bird ,thanks,yourself?
[02:29] <acidchild> nix_chix0r: :D you play assaultcube?
[02:30] <fire|bird> Rat409: excellent, thanks.
[02:30] <slackmagic> i don't wanna call back there just to talk to another person that most likely can't help me anyways. Odd issue is though, that I can easily fix the problem by turning off the router and turning it back on again. Bad router? anyone? hehe
[02:30] <mancha> yes, security ultimately depends on how you admin your machine. i can make this box i am on as watertight as a frog's asshole if i want
[02:30] <nix_chix0r> i was playing portal for fun times
[02:30] <nix_chix0r> but i noticed that on my media pc half life 2 is very slow
[02:30] <jescis> Rat409, I agree about the security admin statement :)
[02:30] <antiwire> Reticenti: paste us the relevant log output
[02:30] <nix_chix0r> and my video card is pretty nice
[02:30] <fire|bird> Rat409: I'm thinking I'll get pekwm installed on the laptop to mess around with some more.
[02:30] <Reticenti> antiwire: this was the only thing in the log: http://pastebin.com/d3590f1b7
[02:31] <Reticenti> and i had the most verbose setting
[02:31] <nix_chix0r> i didn't want to reduce the graphics because i want to play it normal:P
[02:31] <antiwire> time out
[02:31] <antiwire> told you so ;)
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[02:31] <acidchild> fire|bird: i bet you can install BSD on this thing
[02:31] <antiwire> it's a network connectivity problem
[02:31] <Reticenti> antiwire: but i can connect by using the WAN ip
[02:31] <fire|bird> acidchild: yeah, I'm sure I could. I had a BSD live cd going on there the other day.
[02:32] <acidchild> nice, so i'm guessing it was you who cooked the egg in there?
[02:33] <Reticenti> what's different in connectivity in wan, and in lan?
[02:33] <fire|bird> acidchild: I tried installing OpenBSD in a VM, but it kept complaining of disk full.
[02:33] <antiwire> Reticenti: you need to troubleshoot this extensively
[02:33] <nix_chix0r> acidchild, shoot me up with some more morphine please
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[02:33] <acidchild> fire|bird: ahaha
[02:33] <jescis> antiwire, of course... BSD is imo as good as Linux(at least as good as the good Linux distros... not ubuntu >.<)
[02:33] <nix_chix0r> it's too nice :}
[02:33] <Rat409> fire|bird: yuh,i'm in pekwm atm,my usual default wm/desktop
[02:33] <acidchild> nix_chix0r: okey
[02:33] <acidchild> nix_chix0r: but..  once your passed out
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[02:33] <acidchild> anything goes.
[02:33] <Reticenti> antiwire: how would i go about doing that? :\
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[02:33] <jescis> /santiwire/ acidchild
[02:33] <nix_chix0r> acidchild, if i sleep like i did last night i could care less
[02:33] <antiwire> Reticenti: have you considered that the client could be causing the problem? is it wifi tool?
[02:33] <antiwire> tool/too
[02:34] <acidchild> nix_chix0r: yah, last night was fun
[02:34] <Reticenti> antiwire: yeah, they're both running wifi
[02:34] <acidchild> :P
[02:34] <fire|bird> acidchild: lol, any ideas what was happening with that? :P It is a newly made Virtual Disk in VBox, I have to try it in Qemu and see if it'll work.
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[02:34] <fire|bird> Rat409: Do you use xcompmgr with it at all? That adds some nice shadows, etc.
[02:34] <acidchild> fire|bird: ummm, what stage did it cry at?
[02:34] <antiwire> Reticenti: so you need to really look deeper into this. I'm willing to bet money it is a network level problem and not an sshd issue.
[02:34] <Reticenti> antiwire: but i dont understand why it would timeout using the internal IP, but be perfectly ok when I use the external ip
[02:34] <acidchild> you check df i guess?
[02:34] <nix_chix0r> i'm debating if i want to use my media pc to irc on. fire|bird what do you think 40" that's big enoug
[02:35] <Reticenti> antiwire: ah, that might be it
[02:35] <antiwire> ?
[02:35] <acidchild> nix_chix0r: nope.
[02:35] <fire|bird> acidchild: pretty much right away, I didn't get to any type of install screen.
[02:35] <acidchild> nix_chix0r: mines 52
[02:35] <acidchild> rfl
[02:35] <antiwire> now you say that might be it and I've been saying this the whole time?
[02:35] <nix_chix0r> boo
[02:35] <antiwire> good lord
[02:35] <acidchild> fire|bird: you sync the drive right?
[02:35] <Rat409> no,i use compiz rarely,i like functional,fast,out of your way mostly.
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[02:35] <nix_chix0r> acidchild, send me messegessssssssss
[02:36] <fire|bird> nix_chix0r: That's pretty good, if it was me, I'd probably go with a bigger screen, at least 52" probably. :P
[02:36] <acidchild> come over... delivery of fun things is comming shortly
[02:36] <acidchild> fire|bird: god damn i love my 52
[02:36] <acidchild> 120hz refresh rate
[02:36] <nix_chix0r> acidchild, accept plz open cam
[02:36] <fire|bird> nice
[02:36] <nix_chix0r> :)) :))
[02:36] <Reticenti> i'm using an old crt for my monitor :\
[02:37] <fire|bird> crt, good grief, get an LCD for crying out loud. :P
[02:37] <acidchild> nix_chix0r: no c2c with lil girls
[02:37] <fire|bird> lol
[02:37] <nix_chix0r> oh but pliz
[02:37] <Reticenti> fire|bird: you got 150$ i can have to buy one?
[02:37] <fire|bird> Reticenti: nope, sure don't. :)
[02:37] <Reticenti> :)
[02:37] <Reticenti> then looks like i'm sticking with my crt lol
[02:38] Action: Reticenti is a poor college student
[02:38] <U2> Reticent LCDs are cheap now. Get a 17" widescreen... it'll do
[02:38] <Reticenti> U2, so should i eat for a month, or get a lcd ?
[02:38] <Reticenti> lol
[02:38] <Reticenti> that's what it basically comes down to
[02:39] <U2> hmmm
[02:39] <fire|bird> It's nice having a 22" widescreen for the PC. :)
[02:39] <U2> well, CRT sounds good to me now. stick with it :)
[02:39] <Reticenti> i finally scournged enough money to upgrade my 256mb ram to 1gb
[02:39] <Reticenti> lol
[02:39] <Reticenti> scrounged*
[02:39] <acidchild> fire|bird: http://slackadelic.com/~ash/microwave-wut.jpg
[02:40] <acidchild> nix_chix0r distracted me with her 3ed nipple
[02:40] <nix_chix0r> hohoho
[02:40] <Rat409> lol
[02:40] <U2> distracted from what?
[02:40] <nix_chix0r> brb
[02:40] <fire|bird> acidchild: haha, nice
[02:40] <acidchild> nix_chix0r: yah, very marry xmas for me, more nipples the better
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[02:41] <antiwire> hoehoehoe
[02:41] <U2> she'll be back with a hammer acidchild.... hide your expensive LCD
[02:41] <acidchild> fire|bird: it scrolls ERROR all the time.
[02:41] <acidchild> so bizzare.
[02:41] <fire|bird> lol
[02:42] <fire|bird> acidchild: must use Microsoft then.
[02:42] <acidchild> yah, like my shit ass phone
[02:42] <acidchild> god damn i hate my phone
[02:42] <antiwire> I hate all phones
[02:42] <acidchild> me too.
[02:42] <antiwire> actually all this technology crap sucks
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[02:42] <fire|bird> antiwire: Just use Carrier  Pigeon
[02:42] <acidchild> yeah fuck computers.
[02:42] Nick change: notKlaatu -> notKlaatu_zz
[02:42] <acidchild> fuck linux... all this opensource mumbo jumbo
[02:43] <acidchild> U2: she's probly rolling around on the bathroom floor atm, i'm not too worried.
[02:43] <fire|bird> haha
[02:43] <antiwire> everything we all work on just hovers around varies levels of sucking
[02:43] <antiwire> various
[02:43] <jeev> someone take the drugs away from acidchild
[02:43] <acidchild> BAH, i'm sober dude
[02:43] <acidchild> see me in 30minutes.
[02:43] <acidchild> bbl
[02:44] <U2> bbl......yeah sure you are sober
[02:44] <Reticenti> i'm sober
[02:44] <Reticenti> but i still need to write this paper for my class
[02:44] <Reticenti> 40 words left...
[02:45] <U2> paper what about?
[02:45] <Reticenti> descartes
[02:45] <antiwire> 40 words is nothing
[02:45] <antiwire> dude wtf
[02:45] <Reticenti> and his discourse of methods
[02:45] <antiwire> my average bullshit text message length is more than 40 words
[02:45] <Reticenti> well, more like 40-100 words
[02:46] <Reticenti> lol
[02:46] <Reticenti> i know
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[02:46] <mancha> i write 40 words therefore i am
[02:46] <Reticenti> trying to come up with something to say after what i've writetn
[02:46] <Reticenti> i'm basically calling bullshit on his work
[02:47] <Reticenti> but saying that he couldnt hav known better
[02:47] <Reticenti> because of his culture
[02:47] <Reticenti> (he basically believed that everything could be described by abstraction, and doesn't need facts to support it because reality doesnt exist)
[02:49] <Reticenti> and i just successfully killed this channel
[02:49] <Reticenti> quick someone break something
[02:49] <Reticenti> hold on, i'll run rm -rf /
[02:50] <mancha> please don't paste destructive commands on the channeo
[02:50] <mancha> *channel
[02:50] <Reticenti> sorry
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[02:52] <g4tt0> good morning
[02:52] <Reticenti> mornin'
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[02:59] <U2> watched anygood movie lately Reticenti?
[02:59] <Reticenti> yeah
[02:59] <Reticenti> lots
[02:59] <U2> tell me
[02:59] <Reticenti> what kind do you want?
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[03:00] <U2> I like all types... except horror
[03:00] <Reticenti> hmm
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[03:00] <U2> State of Play was very good I think
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[03:01] <Reticenti> i have that one downloaded, but not watched yet
[03:01] <Reticenti> if you want a war movie,
[03:01] <Reticenti> uhh
[03:01] <Reticenti> what was the name...
[03:02] <Reticenti> hurt locker
[03:02] <Reticenti> very very good
[03:02] <jescis_> in country ;)
[03:02] <U2> have'nt watched it.... will do that
[03:02] <Reticenti> it's really good
[03:02] <Reticenti> no country for old men
[03:02] <U2> watched it
[03:02] <U2> very good
[03:03] <Reticenti> solaris is kinda weird, but good
[03:03] <Reticenti> (sci-fi)
[03:03] <U2> 'The Last Word' ... very interesting
[03:03] <Reticenti> it's more of an intelecctual type movie
[03:03] <BP{k}> Reticenti: actually that goes for the OS as well ;)
[03:03] <Reticenti> :)
[03:04] <fire|bird> haha, http://www.linkedandloaded.com/2009/09/16/skype-founders-sue-ebay/
[03:05] <sahko> the first time i watched "no country for old men" i fell asleep in the cinema. it seemed very slow, and the sound was just too loud.
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[03:05] <sahko> second time at home was worth it though. great movie
[03:06] <Reticenti> yeah
[03:06] <Reticenti> first time i watched it i didnt like it
[03:06] <twolf> I went twice in the theater, really great I thought
[03:06] <Reticenti> but the second time i really enjoyed it
[03:06] <U2> Angels & Demons was not that good.
[03:07] <sahko> i think i really hate cinema's and the way the configure their sound systems
[03:07] <Reticenti> u2, watch hurt locker
[03:07] <Reticenti> it's :awesome:
[03:07] <U2> I'll buy it today  :)
[03:07] <Reticenti> :)
[03:07] <Reticenti> do you have blu-ray?
[03:07] <U2> nope
[03:07] <Reticenti> ah
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[03:07] <Reticenti> hdtv?
[03:08] <U2> Just a DVD writer, 17| CRT monitor, PIII 866
[03:08] <U2> haha
[03:08] <Reticenti> heh
[03:08] <Reticenti> i watch movies on my laptop only
[03:08] <Reticenti> no tv either
[03:08] <U2> I dont like to watch on TV
[03:08] <Reticenti> oh
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[03:08] <U2> I like to sit close, with an expensive headphone...volume pumped up...
[03:09] <Reticenti> hurt locker is a movie i'd want to watch in hd
[03:09] <U2> lights off
[03:09] <Reticenti> ah
[03:09] <Reticenti> yeah
[03:09] <U2> :)
[03:09] <U2> 'Taken'  was good.'
[03:09] <Reticenti> yeah, it was ok
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[03:09] <U2> He's Just Not That into You is very very good
[03:10] <Reticenti> the hangover was pretty funny too
[03:10] <U2> 'Push' sucks
[03:10] <Reticenti> i didnt see that one
[03:10] <U2> Hangover is good?  haven't watched it
[03:10] <Reticenti> oh, and star trek that was good
[03:10] <Reticenti> hangover was pretty funny
[03:10] <U2> haven't watched star trek
[03:11] <Reticenti> i watched it in theaters
[03:11] <Reticenti> i liked it
[03:11] <U2> 	Confessions of a Shopaholic is good. A good light movie to relax
[03:11] <Reticenti> oh, and district 9 was good too
[03:11] <U2> well, I'm happy now Ihave to get some movies to watch....
[03:11] <U2> thanks to you
[03:11] <Reticenti> :)
[03:11] <Reticenti> yeah, i watch a lot of movies
[03:11] <Reticenti> so anytime
[03:12] <U2> me too
[03:12] <Reticenti> do you torrent?
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[03:12] <U2> well, only download them. I don't have agood internet connection to upload them
[03:12] <Reticenti> ah
[03:12] <U2> are you a regular on #slackware?
[03:13] <Reticenti> i have been since i installed slack13 about a week and a half ago lol
[03:13] <U2> oh
[03:13] <U2> i see
[03:13] <U2> do you Fecebook?
[03:13] <Reticenti> yeah
[03:13] <U2> can I add you?
[03:13] <Motoko-chan> Stalker!
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[03:13] <Reticenti> haha
[03:14] <Reticenti> sure
[03:14] <slava_dp> atheros wifi cards are such a fucking fail!
[03:14] <U2> cool
[03:14] <Motoko-chan> slava_dp, no you
[03:14] <slava_dp> madwifi or ath5k, whichever i try, it doesn't work reliably.
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[03:15] <U2> thanks  :)
[03:15] <slava_dp> having the same problems as this guy -> http://lucky13linux.wordpress.com/
[03:15] <Reticenti> :)
[03:15] <Reticenti> are you going to add me back?!?!
[03:15] <U2> doing it
[03:15] <Reticenti> :)
[03:16] <Reticenti> and will you promise me that when your country invades usa you'll spare me?
[03:16] <U2> done
[03:16] <slava_dp> and ath5k gets even worse with 2.6.31. i just tried and it works even less reliably than in 2.6.30.5.
[03:16] <U2> hahahahahahah
[03:16] <U2> you've got yourself a deal
[03:16] <slava_dp> Motoko-chan, not funny at all.
[03:16] <Reticenti> woo
[03:16] <Motoko-chan> Did I say I was being funny?
[03:17] <slava_dp> Motoko-chan, then do not say useless stuff.
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[03:17] <U2> for intellectual type movies.... "A Beautiful Mind" is the best I think
[03:18] <Reticenti> yeah, except that's more of a drama
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[03:18] <Reticenti> imo
[03:18] <U2> should we stop before someone reminds  its a channel about Slackware
[03:18] <U2> hmm
[03:18] <Reticenti> we're watching movies on slack, right? :P
[03:18] <U2> yup
[03:19] <U2> Jennifer Connely is so cool
[03:19] <Reticenti> i just watched watchmen too, that was pretty good
[03:19] <U2> really
[03:19] <U2> I did'nt watch it after looking at the cover
[03:19] <Reticenti> heh
[03:20] <Reticenti> it has a lot of moral implications
[03:20] <U2> hmm
[03:20] <Reticenti> the biggest one is the sacrifice of a few to save the many
[03:20] <U2> i thought it must suck just like Hell Boy....
[03:20] <Reticenti> nah
[03:20] <Reticenti> it's actually pretty good
[03:20] <Reticenti> it was orginally a comic written in the 80s
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[03:20] <U2> well, then I'll have to watch it
[03:21] <U2> and talking of moral implications.... have you seen Requiem for a Dream?
[03:21] <Reticenti> the directors cut is 3 hours
[03:21] <Reticenti> yeah
[03:21] <Reticenti> i didnt like it that much, but my wife loves it
[03:21] <U2> I liked it.
[03:21] <Reticenti> i mean, it was ok
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[03:21] <U2> yea
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[03:21] <Reticenti> but i didnt think it was amazing
[03:21] <Reticenti> memento is also good
[03:22] <Reticenti> kinda a mind fuck at first though
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[03:22] <U2> especially the character of the guys' Mother
[03:22] <Reticenti> yeah
[03:22] <U2> it _is_ a mind f***
[03:22] <U2> it made me sad
[03:22] <Reticenti> lol
[03:22] <Reticenti> yeah
[03:22] <Reticenti> i go to this list a lot if i want to watch a good movie: http://www.imdb.com/chart/top
[03:23] <Reticenti> oh, one flew over a cuckoo's nest
[03:23] <Reticenti> good movie
[03:23] <Reticenti> (better book thoguh)
[03:23] <U2> I have half of these movies as my personal collection
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[03:23] <Reticenti> haha
[03:23] <Reticenti> yeah
[03:24] <U2> :)
[03:24] <Reticenti> i've seen most of the ones made after 1950
[03:24] <U2> Breakfast at Tiffany's ?
[03:24] <Reticenti> i havent seen that one
[03:24] <Reticenti> breakfast club?
[03:24] <Reticenti> :)
[03:24] <U2> Dr. Zhivago?
[03:24] <U2> got it
[03:24] <U2> I have Breakfast Club.
[03:25] <chopp> who the fsck are you two, Ebert and Roper?
[03:25] <Reticenti> i dont think i've seen dr. zhivago
[03:25] <Reticenti> indeed
[03:25] <U2> oh man you must see Dr. Zhivago
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[03:25] <Reticenti> oh
[03:25] <Reticenti> greatest movie ever
[03:25] <Reticenti> dr strangelove
[03:25] <U2> haven't seen that one
[03:25] <Reticenti> it's great
[03:26] <Reticenti> black comedy about the cold war
[03:26] <U2> hmm
[03:26] <U2> have you seen Monty Python and the Holy Grail?
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[03:26] <U2> it is very very funny
[03:26] <Reticenti> of course
[03:27] <U2> oh ok
[03:27] <U2> :)
[03:27] <Reticenti> :)
[03:28] <U2> do you knoe Richard Linklater?
[03:28] <Reticenti> nope
[03:28] <U2> google him, and get every single movie he has directed.
[03:29] <Reticenti> yeah looking at his wiki page
[03:29] <U2> EACH one of his movies
[03:29] <U2> you'll thank me!
[03:29] <Reticenti> do you like tv shows?
[03:29] <U2> yup
[03:29] <Reticenti> have you seen dexter?
[03:29] <U2> yup
[03:29] <U2> Loved it
[03:30] <Reticenti> :)
[03:30] <Reticenti> house?
[03:30] <U2> nope
[03:30] <Reticenti> ah, that one's good
[03:30] <U2> I started watcing TV shows recently by buying DVDs
[03:30] <Reticenti> its a medical show
[03:30] <Reticenti> ah
[03:30] <U2> Scrubs is excellent
[03:30] <U2> with an excellent last season
[03:30] <Reticenti> yeah scrubs is good too
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[03:31] <U2> Sopranos was very good
[03:31] <U2> Full House was good
[03:31] <Reticenti> lol
[03:31] <U2> That 70's Show very very funny. I lovedMila Kunis.
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[03:31] <U2> :)
[03:31] <Reticenti> i've heard the wire is amazing
[03:32] <U2> have'nt watched it.
[03:32] <Reticenti> it's about crime in america
[03:32] <U2> hmm
[03:32] <Reticenti> supposed to be one of the best tv shows ever made
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[03:37] <U2> Reticenti, time for me to go :) it was very nice talking to you. take care
[03:37] <Reticenti> cya
[03:37] <Reticenti> tie for bed here anyways
[03:37] <Reticenti> time*
[03:37] <Reticenti> n
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[03:37] <U2> hope to hear from you again....
[03:37] <U2> bye
[03:37] <Reticenti> :)
[03:37] <U2> it's 12:37 PM here.
[03:37] <U2> bye
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[05:16] <metrofox> hello
[05:16] <Agiofws> hi
[05:16] <Agiofws> how do you run a foo.jar  file  in linux ?
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[05:17] <Zordrak> java
[05:17] <tewmten> java -jar foo.jar
[05:17] <tewmten> i think
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[05:17] <tewmten> yep, that's how i do it
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[05:22] <tewmten> http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2009/09/01/a-hidden-gem-in-html/
[05:22] <tewmten> heheh
[05:28] <Zordrak> wtf wordpress? give me an option to change permalinks.. but fail to work when i do
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[05:39] <alisonken1noc> goooooooooood morning slackers
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[05:41] <metrofox> good morning alisonken1home
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[05:43] <alisonken1noc> metrofox: actually - at the noc right now :)
[05:46] <metrofox> I took a look at aMSN 0.98 yesterday... Nothing has changed... No improvements, same things, it's just a little more stable, tcl and tk are too weight... I'll be waiting for a newer version :)
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[06:01] <sahko> is gmail down again?
[06:04] <C00re> nope
[06:04] <C00re> just logged out
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[06:04] <sahko> but can you log in?
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[06:05] <sahko> nevermind worked now
[06:05] <sahko> it loaded the bar til 2/3 and just stayed there before
[06:05] <C00re> then load the classic html view
[06:05] <C00re> usually helps
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[06:07] <sahko> i dont use gmail anymore. i just wanted to login to logout and access another not used account. if that makes any sense
[06:07] <sahko> s/logout/signout
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[06:14] <slackytude> greetings
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[06:16] <metrofox> hi slackytude
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[06:45] <slackytude> y0 metrofox
[06:45] <slackytude> pretty quiet
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[06:47] <slava_dp> heya slackytude
[06:47] <slava_dp> how's things?
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[06:56] <slackytude> y0 slava_dp
[06:56] <slackytude> Im traped in word hell
[06:56] <slackytude> slava_dp: you?
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[06:57] <slava_dp> slackytude, at work, recompiling 2.6.31 with hope that ath5k will be a little better.
[06:57] <slackytude> good luck
[06:57] <slava_dp> slackytude, still struggling with word?
[06:57] <slackytude> yeah
[06:58] <slackytude> all week
[06:58] <slackytude> just trying to make things pretty now
[06:58] <slackytude> which is kinda hopeless
[06:58] <slava_dp> maybe a recompile of word is necessary? :)
[06:58] <slackytude> maybe, got a slackbuild?
[06:59] <slava_dp> yeah, just need to dig it out, gimme a sec :)
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[06:59] <slackytude> :D
[06:59] <slackytude> I want to get slackware on this machine
[06:59] <slackytude> but cant write to disk
[07:00] <slackytude> if I'm ever finished with word
[07:00] <slackytude> probably best to start working again
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[07:00] <slava_dp> is that in the office?
[07:00] <slackytude> yeah
[07:01] <slackytude> win7 machine is quadcore, 4gb ram
[07:01] <slackytude> needs slack
[07:01] <slackytude> gonna setup a NFS root scheme
[07:01] <slackytude> so I can load my / via NFS
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[07:11] <lowkyalur> hi all. anyone could give me a hand setting up my usb printer in 13/64 ?
[07:13] <slava_dp> lowkyalur, http://localhost:631/
[07:13] <lowkyalur> slava_dp: oki....
[07:14] <lowkyalur> slava_dp: wow. impressive.
[07:14] <lowkyalur> slava_dp: super thanks. and how would i print now?
[07:14] <slava_dp> eh?
[07:14] <lowkyalur> like if i have a commandline and a ps file
[07:14] <mancha> lpr
[07:14] <slava_dp> set your printer via that webinterface. make it a default one.
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[07:15] <lowkyalur> it's printing.
[07:16] <mancha> did you lpr file.ps ?
[07:17] <lowkyalur> not yet. i used xpdf but it outputs garbage
[07:17] <mancha> does xpdf open .ps files?
[07:17] <lowkyalur> nope. but pdfs. however it makes a ps that is garbage.
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[07:20] <lowkyalur> oke. just a second. i make the pdf to ps with pdf2ps
[07:20] <lowkyalur> looked garbage free in gv...
[07:20] <lowkyalur> yay. now it prints, and real graphics!
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[07:20] <Quiznos> yay
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[07:21] <lowkyalur> thank you so very much. life is a bitch if you have to be your own admin:)
[07:21] <Quiznos> one learns
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[07:26] <Quiznos> bitters for me
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[07:28] <lowkyalur> sure np:)
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[07:50] <slackytude> oh fucking shit crap
[07:50] <slackytude> word crashed
[07:50] <Zordrak> and this surprises you..... why?
[07:51] <slackytude> it doesnt
[07:51] <slackytude> but I dont want to do all over again
[07:51] <Zordrak> shoulda saved earclir
[07:51] <Zordrak> :)
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[07:53] <mancha> why's a slacker using word?
[07:53] <slackytude> coz I gets paid for it
[07:54] <mancha> then don't bitch!
[07:54] <mancha> :)
[07:54] <slackytude> bah
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[07:59] <slackytude> alrite
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[07:59] <slackytude> gonna make a PDF out of it and see how many errors got found
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[08:02] <gnoel> any of you start slack at run-level 4?
[08:02] <slackytude> I used to
[08:03] <gnoel> i did for the first time after installing slack 13.0 and when i do, i have no sound.
[08:03] <mancha> is your user part of sound?
[08:03] <slackytude> audio
[08:04] <gnoel> when starting X from console, it works fine.  did you have a similar situation?
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[08:04] <mancha> yes audio group
[08:04] <slackytude> gnoel: nope, never had that
[08:04] <gnoel> how come it works fine when starting X from console?
[08:05] <slackytude> hard to say without details. are you member of audio?
[08:05] <gnoel> yes
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[08:05] <gnoel> $ groups => users floppy audio video cdrom
[08:06] <gnoel> what log file should i look into?
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[08:14] <slackytude> I wanna go home now
[08:15] <Quiznos> sure
[08:15] <slackytude> I can haz gohome?
[08:15] <Quiznos> yes
[08:15] <slackytude> whee!
[08:16] <Quiznos> i wish i could go home
[08:16] <Quiznos> but it's not time yet.
[08:16] <slackytude> its ok, you may go
[08:16] <Quiznos> cant; it's still a few years away
[08:16] <slackytude> years?
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[08:16] <Quiznos> yep
[08:16] <slackytude> whut?
[08:17] <Quiznos> plan of god
[08:17] <slackytude> you are in the army or something
[08:17] <Quiznos> nop; well, in training by God
[08:17] <slackytude> uh huh
[08:19] <slackytude> what are you trained for
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[08:19] <Quiznos> i cannot answer that here.
[08:20] <slackytude> I see
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[08:20] <Quiznos> one doesnt train properly in their hometown. hafta go away for training then one can return home.
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[08:36] <MLanden> y0 slackers,,,whuzzup?
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[08:38] <slackytude> y0 MLanden
[08:38] <slackytude> not much
[08:38] <Pa^2> Xfce4-Power-Manager is displaying an incomplete icon in the "tray" - any insights?
[08:38] <slackytude> how about you
[08:39] <MLanden> doin' good thanks slackytude
[08:39] <Pa^2> My screen resolution is 1024.x768 (Old IBM Thinkpad)
[08:39] <slackytude> \o/ thinkpad
[08:39] <slackytude> got one too
[08:39] <MLanden> Pa^2: what's the icon to?
[08:40] <thrice`> probably xfce4-power-manager :>
[08:40] <Pa^2> Xfce4's Power Manager
[08:40] <thrice`> Pa^2: strange, can you adjust the panel size, and see if it fills in?
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[08:41] <Pa^2> Good idea but no luck... almost like it is displaying only every third line of the graphic
[08:41] <thrice`> and it's only that icon, or any you place in the sys-tray / panel ?
[08:42] <thrice`> the icon should scale fine, as it uses .svg's ; i'd guess it's a panel issue, or x.org in general
[08:42] <Pa^2> Only that prog icon, any where it is placed in the tray.
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[08:42] <Pa^2> With the exception of the madwifi drivers v13 is great on the ol' thinkpad
[08:43] <Pa^2> ...and of course this little curiosity
[08:43] <slackytude> corrupt image?
[08:44] <slackytude> ah, great. the word to tex converter broke down
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[08:47] <MLanden> could be...should be pointing to the icon gpm-ac-adapter
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[08:51] <MLanden> Pa^2: Is there a desktop icon for 'Xfce 4 Power Manager' in /usr/share/applications?
[08:51] <thrice`> icons typically don't go there :)
[08:51] <MLanden> correction....an entry
[08:53] <slackpower> morning
[08:53] <MLanden> mornin'
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[08:54] <slackpower> i is nedding some coffee
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[09:04] <macavity> howdy folks :-)
[09:04] <spook> hey
[09:04] <agentc0re> mornin all
[09:04] <agentc0re> tgif!
[09:04] <agentc0re> \0/
[09:05] <slackytude> y0 spook , agentc0re, macavity
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[09:08] <kawallo> bom dia
[09:08] <kawallo> galera estou precisando de um help
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[09:08] <kawallo> alguem aqui manja de proftpd?
[09:09] <agentc0re> hey slackytude, macavity, spook
[09:09] <agentc0re> :P
[09:10] <agentc0re> s/hey/heya
[09:10] <MLanden> ingles,kawallo
[09:10] <Zordrak> kawallo: #slackware-es
[09:10] Action: agentc0re kicks Zordrak
[09:10] <agentc0re> fsck you!
[09:10] <Zordrak> o...k#
[09:10] <agentc0re> :P
[09:10] <Zordrak> for...?
[09:10] <agentc0re> i dunno.
[09:10] <sahko> s/es/br
[09:10] <sahko> or pt
[09:10] <agentc0re> just for fun
[09:10] <Pig_Pen> thats portugeuse
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[09:10] <Zordrak> sahko: thats was spanish not portuguese
[09:11] <Pig_Pen> ##slackware-br
[09:11] <sahko> Zordrak: maybe. not sure
[09:11] <Zordrak> *nod* i spose it *could* be either :)
[09:11] <Pig_Pen> i checked with google language tools, its portugeuse
[09:11] <Zordrak> fnuff
[09:11] <agentc0re> Zordrak: i'm sure you know this already.  http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/09/18/0219241/RAIDs-Days-May-Be-Numbered?from=rss
[09:11] <Zordrak> #slackware-gtfo
[09:11] <sahko> :)
[09:12] <Zordrak> agentc0re: aye.. its for those reasons i have RAID61
[09:12] <Zordrak> RAID6 is on borderline safe.. RAID61 is thoroughly safe (for now)
[09:13] Action: hitest has finished his upgrade cycle...4/4 boxes now run Slackware 13.0:)
[09:13] <agentc0re> the problem is raid6 in general though.
[09:13] <Pig_Pen> i would never use raid, i would do just fine with two 1tb sata drives in IDE mode
[09:13] <MLanden> congrats,hitest
[09:13] <kawallo> como faço no proftpd, para que a conexão seja persistente? ja inicializei com a opção -p 1 e não ta funcionanado
[09:13] <hitest> thanks, MLanden:) it went smooth as silk
[09:13] <agentc0re> Pig_Pen: in a large environment you must use raid.
[09:14] <Zordrak> agentc0re: what do you mean: 14:13:11 < agentc0re> the problem is raid6 in general though.
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[09:14] <MLanden> kawallo: Inglês,por favor
[09:14] <g4tt0> hi
[09:14] <Pig_Pen> naw, just get some cheap PCs and install FreeNAS
[09:14] <agentc0re> Personally i think that if you need to spend the money to ensure that the data on the machine is safe, you should spend the money for a raid10.
[09:15] <Zordrak> agentc0re: RAID61 > RAID10 > RAID6 > RAID 1
[09:15] <agentc0re> i don't believe it.
[09:15] <Zordrak> do you understand what is meant by RAID61?
[09:15] <agentc0re> but i've never tried to compare 10 to 61
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[09:15] <agentc0re> oh i understand
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[09:15] <agentc0re> but i wouldn't say 61>10
[09:16] <Zordrak> RAID61 is as good as if not better on protection.. and is much better on space efficiency
[09:16] <Zordrak> the only downside is slightly slower performance.. but it can be mitigated
[09:16] <Zordrak> and can be better on reads
[09:16] <agentc0re> well anything is better at space efficiency than a 10.
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[09:17] <agentc0re> But nothing is faster than a 10.
[09:17] <Zordrak> at *reads* 61 can be
[09:17] <nachox> morning everyone
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[09:17] <Zordrak> just writes it's not
[09:17] <agentc0re> nachox: mornin
[09:17] <MLanden>  Mornin', nachox
[09:17] <agentc0re> and rebuilds
[09:17] <Zordrak> but that ALL depends on your controllers capability
[09:17] <slackpower> nachox: morning
[09:17] <agentc0re> 6 is the slowest to rebuilt.
[09:17] <Pig_Pen> hi nachox
[09:17] <tocardise> nachox : afternoon :-)
[09:18] <Zordrak> agentc0re: yes.. but in a failover 61 configuration the rebuild means nothing
[09:18] <Zordrak> you arent even using the rebuilding array..
[09:18] <Zordrak> you use the good one whle the rebuild happens
[09:18] <Zordrak> no loss in performance
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[09:18] <agentc0re> so long you can switch to the other half of the cluster
[09:19] <Zordrak> well thats the "1" bit of the RAID61
[09:19] <slackytude> anybody want to convert a 60mb .doc into latex
[09:19] <slackytude> I can pay
[09:19] <slackytude> take my first born
[09:19] <slackytude> or just shoot me
[09:20] <Pig_Pen> who made a sixty megabyte document? they should have spread it out over several individual files
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[09:22] <agentc0re> http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/09/18/0011218/Spyware-Prank-Exposes-Hospital-Medical-Records?from=rss  ahahahahah
[09:22] <agentc0re> I can't wait to send that to everyone at work today.
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[09:23] <Pig_Pen> the fools should not have been using ms-windows on their PCs
[09:24] <agentc0re> Pig_Pen: dude... there isn't a lot of medical software to begin with.  On top of that, stuff that runs on linux and then again that is actually GOOD software.
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[09:27] <slackytude> Pig_Pen: I dunno, some freak
[09:27] <slackytude> Pig_Pen: long gone, the bastard
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[09:29] <agentc0re> slackytude: wtf is latex?  i am only assuming you don't mean like a latex glove/condom.  :P
[09:30] <Zordrak> latex is EVIL
[09:30] <Zordrak> its pure sickening evil
[09:30] <gnubien> Pig_Pen: using winbloz is like wearing a 'kick me' sign for hackers to see ;)
[09:30] <Zordrak> and for some ridiculous reason.. it's pronounced laytek
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[09:31] <Pig_Pen> you got that right gnubien
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[09:33] <hitest> gnubien: agreed
[09:34] <gnubien> yep, i avoid winbloz like the plague
[09:34] <agentc0re> gnubien:  Well in the work force world it can be impossible to change.  compatibility, learning curves etc.. all have to be taken in to account and in the end you have to decide if it's worth the change.
[09:35] <agentc0re> Take for example.  I just switched to a new phone system.  Everything is pretty much the same.  Phones changed from white to black and everyone forgot how to use the damn phone.
[09:36] <gnubien> agentc0re: agreed, if you have good personal and company wide security proceedures then you hope for the best
[09:36] <agentc0re> wanted hour training sessions... asking question like, "how do you put it on hold"  (there's a hold button that is RED just like the last phone)
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[09:37] <agentc0re> gnubien: ya, i lock down everything at work.  Biggest thing i've locked down is PDF downloads.  We've gone to several viruses a week to none by doing that.
[09:37] <Zordrak> :/
[09:37] Action: Zordrak has *never* had an outbreak
[09:37] <Zordrak> ever
[09:38] <slackytude> agentc0re: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX :D
[09:38] <Zordrak> one occasional machine has sthg iffy... but thats about it
[09:38] <agentc0re> slackytude: Heh, i realized that it came with slackware so i man'd it. :D
[09:38] <slackytude> heh
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[09:38] <agentc0re> Zordrak: dude... my users are rock's.
[09:38] <slackytude> how can you not know what latex is
[09:38] <agentc0re> no.. worse.
[09:39] <Pig_Pen> there is TeTeX document editor, i think it can do latex
[09:39] <agentc0re> Seriously... they are dumb.   It was really pissing me and my co-worker off.  We came up with some strict rules about surfing and viruses.  Viruses = no internet.  Manager can't reinstate it either.  We give it back when we feel like it.
[09:40] <Pig_Pen> it might choke on the HUGE file you have, almost any editor will
[09:40] <slackpower> is there a way if you are a OP to delete users previous posts to a channel?
[09:40] <agentc0re> that's what she said
[09:40] <mancha> no
[09:40] <mancha> what's said is said
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[09:40] <slackytude> Pig_Pen: I got it converted to html
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[09:41] <slackytude> really, really ugly html
[09:41] <slackpower> okay
[09:41] <Pig_Pen> that should make it easier to read, open with a browser
[09:42] <slackpower> how do I add cool stuff like !quote to my channel?
[09:42] <slackpower> or vote kicks !kick
[09:42] Action: macavity is making a first attempt at making rye bread
[09:43] <agentc0re> slackpower: you'll need to look up irc scripts and maybe speak with some freenode staff they might already have some ready to go bots that can be thrown in your room.
[09:43] <Pig_Pen> i had rye bread before, that is some weird tasting bread
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[09:43] <agentc0re> honestly, that stuff isn't cool though.  it's annoying.
[09:44] <macavity> Pig_Pen: its the most common type of bread in Denmark
[09:44] <macavity> Pig_Pen: only the fat asses eat white bread ;-)
[09:44] <slackpower> agentc0re: thanks.  it's fine for my purpose.  it's a low populated channel which isn't mission critical
[09:44] <Pig_Pen> slackpower: you need something similar to slackboy = just ignores the room unless someone floods, but you can always kick the trolls by hand
[09:45] <macavity> slackpower: seriously, there is a reason why slackboy (this channel's bot) doesnt say anything
[09:45] <Pig_Pen> i like whole wheat or sourdough toasted
[09:45] <slackpower> well, what i'm trying to do is get these users to switch to irc on our website
[09:45] <macavity> Pig_Pen: rye bread can be both yeast or sourdough based
[09:45] <slackpower> and to me I could care less about things like !quote
[09:45] <slackpower> but if it wins them over i'm happy
[09:46] <macavity> Pig_Pen: the sourdough is the most commong type, but i happen to like the regular yeast baked type better
[09:46] <macavity> Pig_Pen: sourdough rye bread usually make turists look twice when they taste it :P
[09:46] Action: MLanden had to wiki that one.... rugbrød
[09:47] <macavity> MLanden: exactly
[09:47] <Pig_Pen> are you adding caraway seed? i think that is what has the weird taste
[09:47] <macavity> nope.. this is as plain as it gets
[09:48] <macavity> i can always experiment whith exotic seeds later
[09:48] <Pig_Pen> i might like that, the bakers in the USA add caraway seed to rye bread here and it ruins it
[09:48] <macavity> eww
[09:48] <Pa^2> FYI: I had to use the xorg.conf file in /etc/X11 - appears to have settled the video issues with desktop icons and some tray icons.
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[09:49] <nachox> guys, have you ever worked with a radware switch?
[09:50] <MLanden> macavity: any smoked meats or fish to go with that bread?
[09:51] <macavity> Pig_Pen: my recipie: 700ml water + 1/2 tsp salt + 4 tblsp honey + 6 grams of dry yeast (or 50 grams of fresh) + 700g whole rye flour -> stir and leave at a lukewarm place for about 2 hours -> pour into a loaf form -> leave for 30minutes -> bake at 175 celcius for 1 hour
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[09:52] <macavity> MLanden: im poor.. so it is likely to and up being wiped with liver mouse :P
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[09:53] <Pig_Pen> that looks like a nice old fashioned recipe, simple and earthy, i think i will copy & paste it to a text file & print, thanks macavity
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[09:53] <macavity> yw
[09:53] <MLanden> hear ya,macavity
[09:54] Nick change: wunnymysh -> Wunnymysh
[09:54] <macavity> Pig_Pen: can you get fresh yeast?
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[09:55] <macavity> MLanden: if we didnt live in a densly populated area i would build my own smoking oven
[09:55] <Pig_Pen> i think so, but active dry yeast is what is common in most grocery stores
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[09:56] <macavity> ok.. just remember that if you go with fresh yeast, you will kill it if the water is abouve 37C (i *think* that is 0F)
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[09:57] <Pig_Pen> ok
[09:57] <macavity> uh, no
[09:57] <macavity> its 100F
[09:57] <macavity> Farenheit used water+ice+salt as 0 and his bud as 100
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[09:57] <macavity> weird ass scale... :P
[09:57] <MLanden> macavity: yeah,a good smoker can be something
[09:58] <macavity> MLanden: i can get all the trout that i want from a freind who fishes a lot (and is bloody damn good at it)
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[09:58] <macavity> MLanden: but fresh trout has its limits in the everyday cousine
[09:59] <Pig_Pen> i will most likely use active dry yeast it is more common and i see it every time i go down the aisle with the flower & cornmeal
[09:59] <macavity> MLanden: however, smoked trout is just as yummie as smoked salmon
[09:59] <macavity> Pig_Pen: right
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[09:59] <macavity> damn.. all this talk about smoked fish.. i think i shall buy a small peice for the weekend
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[10:00] <MLanden> hear ya,macavity
[10:00] <macavity> anyhow, off the the shower
[10:00] <macavity> l8r gang
[10:01] <MLanden> later,macavity
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[10:03] <Wunnymysh> hi
[10:03] <Pig_Pen> brb
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[10:05] <thumbs> so I'm trying to watch a quicktime trailer with the mplayer plug-in, and it doesn't even buffer
[10:06] <Pig_Pen> post a link thumbs, i have the same setup
[10:06] <thumbs> slack 12.2, FF 3.5.2, the lastest sbo mplayer plugin
[10:06] <thumbs> Pig_Pen: http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/paranormalactivity/medium_t1.html
[10:07] <Pig_Pen> http://www.paranormalmovie.com/trailer.html  try this one
[10:07] <thumbs> ok.
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[10:07] <MLanden> thumbs: how much space for cache ( under preferences>advanced>network) ?
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[10:09] <Pig_Pen> apple is just not playing nicely with alternative video players & plugins
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[10:12] <MLanden> laters,slackers...talk with all later
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[10:21] <Zordrak> anyone got any build scripts for old glibc versions?
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[10:22] <Quiznos> glib schlib
[10:22] <Quiznos> real mem dont use makefiles
[10:23] <Zordrak> :/
[10:23] <Zordrak> im trying to make a portability environment for old licence manager daemons
[10:23] <Quiznos> what's required?
[10:23] <Zordrak> not entirely sure.. i think 2.2
[10:24] <Zordrak> definituly <2.3
[10:24] <Quiznos> ./confiugure make all install
[10:24] <Quiznos> you dont need a sbo
[10:24] <Quiznos> just clean up the environ vars
[10:24] <Zordrak> Quiznos: you *are* aware that would completely trash the OS..
[10:24] <Quiznos> no it wont
[10:25] <Quiznos> -prefix=./bin; cd bin
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[10:25] <Quiznos> ../configure; make all install
[10:25] <Quiznos> with proper args to conf
[10:25] <Quiznos> wait
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[10:25] <Quiznos> you want install to install to ./bin
[10:26] <Quiznos> then make a tgz
[10:26] <Quiznos> a pkg
[10:26] <Quiznos> chng bin to bin-$version
[10:26] <Quiznos> so you have a good part of pkg name
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[10:29] <networkd> Hello, is it true that there's no minimal install cd for x86_64 version ?
[10:29] <networkd> I saw just complete heavy dvd in mirrors
[10:29] <alisonken1noc> as minimal as you want for a working system depending on what you want it to do
[10:29] <alisonken1noc> well, dvd also includes _all_ packages, including sources
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[10:29] <networkd> Ok, but the size concerns me
[10:30] <alisonken1noc> if you're worried about size, you can find the CD's rather than the DVD and only get cd1,2 (maybe 3)
[10:30] <TwinReverb> that's what he said
[10:30] <networkd> I just need a minimal testing environment running in virtual machine (binutils, compiler, kernel, main libraries)
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[10:30] <alisonken1noc> TwinReverb: doh!
[10:30] <networkd> I havent seen cd's for 64bit in mirrors
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[10:31] <alisonken1noc> typically, mirrors are doing the dvd thing. you can d/l-rsync the directory, and use the cd maker script
[10:33] <alisonken1noc> TwinReverb: sure it's not "that's what _she_ said"? :)
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[10:33] <TwinReverb> alisonken1noc, i had to translate for networkd because he's gay
[10:34] <alisonken1noc> TwinReverb: ah
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[10:34] <networkd> uh
[10:34] <alisonken1noc> yes?
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[10:35] <slackytude> did you guys catch MS taking part in html5 standart working group? they even said they support the video tag
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[10:35] <TwinReverb> good, they can try to make up for all the damage they caused HTML 4
[10:35] <alisonken1noc> I noticed something in the headlines about ms and the standards group - haven't read it yet
[10:36] <TwinReverb> by not fully supporting it
[10:36] <alisonken1noc> and html3, and html2, and ....
[10:36] <slackytude> that means it will definitly include a video tag
[10:36] <slackytude> goodbye flash
[10:37] <alisonken1noc> depends on if they decide to use silverlight as video :)
[10:37] <slackytude> also, it looks like MS noticed that they will be left behind if they dont cooperate
[10:37] <slackytude> at least to me
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[10:37] <slackytude> alisonken1noc: nah, but I was wondering about that meself
[10:37] <alisonken1noc> :)
[10:38] <slackytude> http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/09/ie-program-manager-endorses-html-5-multimedia-tags.ars
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[10:42] <surrealgirl> hi what do i do about this? http://www.pastebin.ca/1570866 im trying to play a wmv file
[10:43] <slackytude> #
[10:43] <TwinReverb> surrealgirl, bad file?
[10:43] <slackytude> You need to upgrade/install the binary codecs package.
[10:43] <thrice`> Instained_Atom: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/multimedia/mplayer-codecs/
[10:43] <surrealgirl> it works in windows
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[10:44] <thrice`> er, installl those ^^
[10:44] <AbortRetryFail> morning slackers!
[10:44] <hiptobecubic> morning
[10:44] <surrealgirl> morning AbortRetryFail
[10:44] <TwinReverb> i think alienbob has a "non-supported" packages section
[10:44] <amirlovenepal> hello where can i download the slackware iso
[10:44] <surrealgirl> <killall-9> surrealgirl: pay to m$
[10:44] <surrealgirl> <killall-9> cbt nuggets uses media player with DRM
[10:44] <TwinReverb> amirlovenepal, www.slackware.org/getslack
[10:44] <surrealgirl> hm it might not be codec
[10:44] <thrice`> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/multimedia/mplayer-codecs/
[10:44] <thrice`> it IS codec, your error tells you that
[10:44] <slackytude> surrealgirl: did you install the codec?
[10:45] <AbortRetryFail> how's 13?
[10:45] <surrealgirl> hold on i dont remember
[10:45] <AbortRetryFail> i haven't used it yet.
[10:45] <slackytude> AbortRetryFail: fine
[10:45] <surrealgirl> AbortRetryFail, without a doubt, its good
[10:45] <slackytude> AbortRetryFail: Im in a hate-love relationship with kde tho
[10:45] <AbortRetryFail> lol
[10:45] <AbortRetryFail> kde, i never touch the stuff.
[10:45] <slackytude> Its got blink
[10:45] <surrealgirl> ok it turns out i never did install it
[10:45] <surrealgirl> slackytude, blink?
[10:46] <slackytude> yeah, flashy compiz stuff and whatnot
[10:46] <surrealgirl> oh
[10:46] <amirlovenepal> TwinReverb, thanx
[10:46] <AbortRetryFail> oh that
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[10:46] <AbortRetryFail> is installing onto LVM still a pain?
[10:47] <amirlovenepal> TwinReverb, so we have to download slackware folder and burn it as .iso
[10:47] <surrealgirl> yay it works
[10:47] <surrealgirl> ty guys
[10:47] <thrice`> AbortRetryFail: no, check out the readme_lvm.txt
[10:47] <slackytude> amirlovenepal: download the iso
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[10:48] <amirlovenepal> i didnot see the iso
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[10:48] <hashed_> has anyone tried the qmailrocks installation on slackware 13?
[10:49] <slackytude> http://slackware.com/getslack/  either the torrent or a mirror
[10:49] <alienBOB> TwinReverb: "unsupported" section? I think you mean my "restricted" section. Restricted as in: I am restricted to host these packages outside the US (i.e. not on slackware.com) because of patent issues
[10:49] <alienBOB> amirlovenepal: find an ISO on any of these mirrors: http://alphageek.dyndns.org/linux/slackware-mirrors.shtml
[10:49] <slackytude> almost time to go home
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[10:50] <slackytude> what a crappy week it was
[10:50] <AbortRetryFail> oh excellent
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[10:50] <AbortRetryFail> last time i did an LVM install with slackware, i had to installpkg the lvm tools into the install env. that was a pain.
[10:50] <hashed_> anyone tried qmailrocks installation on any version of slackware? :)
[10:50] <Zordrak> hashed_: hell no
[10:50] <Zordrak> because qmail sucks. Not rocks.
[10:50] <hashed_> Zordrak, lol
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[10:51] <hashed_> am I better off with sendmail?
[10:51] <Zordrak> the general opinion seems to be sendmail or postfix
[10:51] <Zordrak> i ues postfix as do a fair few others
[10:51] <Zordrak> but i leave sendmail on non-server boxes for forwarding basic mail
[10:52] <Zordrak> as far as i can tell Pat will never leave sendmail
[10:52] <hashed_> Are there any good tutorials for setting up a good solid email system, with pop3, imap, webmail, and web admin interface?
[10:52] <Zordrak> i cant tell if its sadism or masochism.. but its one or the other
[10:52] <Zordrak> hashed_: many
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[10:52] <slackytude> hashed_: a lot
[10:52] <Zordrak> hashed_: a lot are linked directly from the postfix website
[10:53] <Zordrak> postfixadmin++
[10:53] <Zordrak> as for pop3/imap you cant fail with dovecot. Its just too easy
[10:53] <hashed_> i only started with QMR because he packaged everything together, and it was so easy up until courierpassd.  something is screwed up with the packages he provided.
[10:53] <Zordrak> but dont expect the process to be simple because mail servers are just not simple and thats all there is to it
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[10:53] <hashed_> Zordrak, I'm taking note.  thanks!
[10:54] <Zordrak> even dovecots SASL is simple
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[10:54] <Zordrak> Postfix & Dovecot is a very common combination
[10:54] <hashed_> yeah, I don't expect anything to be a simple setup with Linux, but I do expect it to be solid (and free) once set up.  :)
[10:54] <Zordrak> and theres slackbuilds for both on SBo
[10:54] <hashed_> sweet.  slackbuilds make life so much easier
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[10:55] <Zordrak> ive just completely replaced the whole mail infrastructure here at work.. all with postfix&dovecot and an LDAP backend
[10:55] <slackytude> running on slack?
[10:55] <Zordrak> im on postfix&courier at home.. but only cause i didnt know any better back then and theres no point me replacing courier if its working ok
[10:56] <Zordrak> slack12.2
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[10:56] <Zordrak> the entire network has been converted from FC3&Slowlaris to Slack
[10:57] <slackytude> nice ^-
[10:57] <hashed_> cool
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[10:58] <Zordrak> im nearly there.. all the core notwork stuff is done.. im just waiting on an RMAed part to start migrating all the randomly distributed storage to the new Slack13_64 RAID61 system
[10:58] <Zordrak> that and lmgrd is about all thats left
[10:58] <hashed_> I'm trying to eventually get away from all of these Windows 2003 servers here at work.
[10:58] <Zordrak> cant finish configuring heartbeat and drbd till i have the second server back
[10:58] <Zordrak> we
[10:58] <Zordrak> *ew
[10:58] <hashed_> been using slackware at home for a few years now
[10:59] <Zordrak> bugger that reminds- me
[10:59] <Zordrak> therles one core part of the network left to do
[10:59] <abionnnn> I've been using Slackware 13 64 for the last few days and I've gotta say it is a master piece
[10:59] <Zordrak> all the auth mechanisms are LDAP>.. but that LDAP is still AD on 2k3
[10:59] <hashed_> abionnnn, agreed.  it's the best.
[10:59] <Zordrak> getting away from AD is the last mile
[10:59] <abionnnn> I was a bit worried that KDE 4.x was being used, but 4.2.6 isn't so bad.
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[11:00] <hashed_> i was pretty suprised with how solid kde 4.2.6 is also.  Last time i tried KDE 4.x was when it was still in testing.  hated it :P
[11:01] <abionnnn> yeah it was shocking heh
[11:01] <Zordrak> anyone know precisely which glibc stopped providing h_errno directly? I know it was deprecated in 2.3 but it still worked just with a warning... i dont know when the functionality was totally removed
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[11:03] <slackytude> Zordrak: getting rid of AD is pretty hard
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[11:04] <slackytude> Zordrak: how do your mail servers  auth against it anyway?
[11:04] <Zordrak> ldap.
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[11:04] <Zordrak> kerb can suck my nuts
[11:05] <slackytude> but not for ssh or stuff?
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[11:07] <Zordrak> no
[11:07] <Zordrak> users dont need to ssh onto the mailserver
[11:07] <Zordrak> they just ned pop/imap/smtp
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[11:09] <amirlovenepal> i see in ftp slackware-12.0 and slackware-13.0-iso
[11:09] <amirlovenepal> confused which to download
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[11:11] <hashed_> amirlovenepal, probably slackware-13.0-iso
[11:12] <amirlovenepal> so we need to change that to .iso or simply burn and use
[11:13] <hashed_> which site are you on?
[11:13] <slackpower> BitlBee is pretty awesome.
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[11:13] <amirlovenepal> ftp on slackware.mirrors.tds.net
[11:13] <hashed_> you should be able to find the full .iso file without having to rename anything
[11:14] <madnex> amirlovenepal, maybe that is the folder, try to look inside that
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[11:15] <hashed_> ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso
[11:15] <hashed_> right there.
[11:15] <amirlovenepal> ya got that
[11:15] <amirlovenepal> thanx
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[11:23] <jale2ice> Anyone pro with udev rules?
[11:24] <mishehu> jale2ice: instead of asking "anybody a pro with xyz", why not just ask the question that you really need help with?
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[11:24] <jale2ice> i want to create a udev rule that will blacklist a USB device
[11:24] <mishehu> you might find that somebody who doesn't consider themselves an uberguru happens to know the answer
[11:24] <jale2ice> entirely
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[11:25] <mishehu> jale2ice: you try to add it to the modprobe.d blacklist?
[11:25] <jale2ice> mishehu: why would I do that?
[11:25] <jale2ice> i don't want to blacklist a module
[11:25] <jale2ice> i want to blacklist a device using udev
[11:25] <mishehu> jale2ice: well wouldn't that be the easiest way to blacklist a device?
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[11:26] <jale2ice> mishehu: yes, including every other device that would happen to use the modules blacklisted
[11:26] <mishehu> otherwise, I'm not a guru at udev, but I suppose you could do some sort of matching on a manufacturer-device uid
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[11:27] <jale2ice> mishehu: well, rules are easily created by using udevinfo tool, but my device gets assigned a USB HID keyboard driver
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[11:27] <mishehu> jale2ice: or there might be a way to get a serial number off of the device and blacklist it there.
[11:28] <jale2ice> which is root of my problem
[11:28] <mishehu> but I've not personally used udev to blacklist things.
[11:28] <jale2ice> mishehu: thanks for your input :)
[11:28] <mishehu> I've used udev to set perms and stuff like that for specific devices :-)
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[11:29] <jale2ice> mishehu: OPTIONS+="ignore_device" is my friend. :)
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[11:29] <jale2ice> mishehu: but i need an expert opinion as to why it's not fully working.
[11:30] <mishehu> well funny, on this box usbutils package has a man page for lsusb but not the actual lsusb program :-)
[11:30] <jonsmith1982> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Slackware_.28tested_with_12.1.29 jale2ice, tried with idVendor and idProduct?
[11:31] <jonsmith1982> equates to the pci-id iirc.
[11:32] <jale2ice> jonsmith1982: i have, here's my rule: BUS=="usb", DRIVER=="usb", SYSFS{idVendor}=="05e0", OPTIONS+="ignore_device"
[11:32] <jale2ice> that's one of four rules
[11:34] <jale2ice> mishehu: lol, i have successfully blacklisted the device from showing under lsusb. i just need to get it from loading as a USB HID keyboard
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[11:47] <usr13> I need apache server installed but not sure which to choose, what do I install just for the standard apache server?
[11:47] <darlek> anyone help me ive fucked up lilo and want to use cd to boot my system up
[11:48] <thrice`> ok, do you possess the ability to read?
[11:48] <hiptobecubic> darlek, just put the cd in and boot.
[11:48] <usr13> Using lenny
[11:48] <thrice`> usr13: #debian is over there ->
[11:48] <hiptobecubic> usr13, Apache and Debian are not Slackware.
[11:48] <darlek> yeah hiptobecubic  i want to keep my excisting installation
[11:48] <thrice`> darlek: if so, boot the CD, and read the instructions for "booting your system if you fucked up"
[11:49] <hiptobecubic> darlek, it won't just blindly install. just boot the cd and read
[11:49] <hiptobecubic> Has anyone tried the Kismet based on the 'newcore' ?
[11:50] <darlek> ok hiptobecubic my root is hda1 i typed  root=/dev/hda1 rw noinitrd  << would that be ok ?
[11:51] <hiptobecubic> darlek, i think you also need to point it to the image, no? (I'm fairly new to lilo)
[11:52] <darlek> yeah ive never tried to rescue my system before im not sure
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[11:53] <Pa^2> Slack v13 mc is not honoring wirldcard "*" - What is up with that?
[11:53] <Pa^2> wildcard
[11:53] <thrice`> darlek: that's good - that'll boot your system, with the kernel from the CD
[11:53] <thrice`> you'll then need to fix lilo, and reboot without the CD
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[11:56] <Pa^2> I use mc to rename files  (e.g. test.txt to *.orig  but the new mc produces a *.orig file instead of test.txt.org)  Harrumph!
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[11:58] <Pig_Pen> build your own mc package, then removepkg mc and install your own
[11:59] <thrice`> or, upgradepkg :D
[11:59] <Pig_Pen> oh, wait, is somebody holding a gun to your head preventing you from building your own mc package?
[11:59] <adeodatus> It's possibile to install python with slackpkg?
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[11:59] <BP{k}> adeodatus: yes
[11:59] <jale2ice> mc packages are great, i love happy meals.
[11:59] <darlek> thrice could i install grub instead of repairing grub will using rescue cd ?
[11:59] <LnxSlck> hello happy slackers
[12:00] <Pig_Pen> and you get a free toy inside!
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[12:00] <Pa^2> Just caught off guard that a fundamental function like wildcards would change with this distro...
[12:00] <adeodatus> BP{k}: How?
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[12:00] <darlek> will=while
[12:00] <Pig_Pen> i built my own mc, i used 4.6.2
[12:00] <BP{k}> adeodatus: by reading slackpkg(80
[12:01] <BP{k}> slackpkg(8), that is.
[12:01] <thrice`> adeodatus: also, python is provided by default
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[12:01] <ananke> Pa^2: interesting. breaking such a useful feature
[12:01] <Wunnymush> hi, how do i change default language from english to norwegian in slackware 13?
[12:02] <Pig_Pen> localedef
[12:02] <Pig_Pen> wait, let me look at something
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[12:02] <adeodatus> I've only installed the first cd and python is not on the first cd I think.
[12:02] <Pa^2> Perhaps it is just my dvd image...
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[12:03] <Pig_Pen> yeah, localedef
[12:03] <BP{k}> Pa^2: no. I just tried that. And it does indeed create a "*.orig" file.
[12:04] <Pa^2> I am not adverse to falling back a version and making my own.  Like I said, I was just caught by surprise.
[12:05] <ananke> i'd be upset
[12:05] <LnxSlck> hey guys do you know if kbabel got removed in kde4?
[12:05] <BP{k}> adeodatus: actually it should be. As python is part of the D/ diskseries.
[12:06] <Pig_Pen> there is no /b/ ;p
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[12:08] <ananke> interesting. slackware being more bleeding edge than some other distros, by shipping that new mc
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[12:09] <AbortRetryFail> ananke: the only time i've ever seen anyone use mc was on slackware boxen ;)
[12:09] <adeodatus> I've installed python with slackpkg search filename.
[12:09] <ananke> AbortRetryFail: i use it all the time on different operating systems, including solaris and macosx
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[12:10] <adeodatus> BP{k}: thanks
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[12:10] <AbortRetryFail> lol
[12:11] <Pig_Pen> i use mc in Free & Net BSD, but the subshell wont work with CTRL O
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[12:12] <Wunnymush> when i change my language to my prefered language, it changes back to default when i logout and in again
[12:13] <macavity> Wunnymush: in the shell?
[12:13] <Quiznos> why does xdm require a passwd for a user who has none?
[12:13] <macavity> Wunnymush: /etc/profile.d/lang.sh
[12:14] <macavity> Wunnymush: or, if you just want it on your local account ~/.profile (doesnt exist, create it)
[12:14] <macavity> Quiznos: because a blank password is still a password
[12:14] <Quiznos> macavity there's no :x:
[12:14] <Quiznos> xdm's behavior doesnt mimic login's
[12:14] <macavity> can that use even log in?!?
[12:14] <Wunnymush> macavity, ok, i would try that
[12:15] <Quiznos> yes
[12:15] <Quiznos> localhost
[12:15] Action: macavity groks some manpages again
[12:15] <macavity> ahh.. yes, that is required
[12:15] <Quiznos> what is?
[12:15] <macavity> to supply the empty string on no password
[12:16] <Quiznos> that's not what login does tho
[12:16] <macavity> otherwise people could guess account names that way
[12:16] <Quiznos> xdm is none std
[12:16] <macavity> you say that agetty doesnt prompt for password?
[12:16] <Quiznos> right
[12:16] <macavity> back to reading manpages i guess :P
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[12:16] <Quiznos> :)
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[12:19] <Quiznos> xdm doesnt set display var either
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[12:20] <Pig_Pen> Quiznos: just log in to the console, startx is not too difficult to type
[12:20] <Quiznos> xhost says unable to open display ":0.0"
[12:21] <Quiznos> root starts x
[12:21] <Quiznos> xdm
[12:21] Nick change: hackedhead_ -> hackedhead
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[12:23] <Pig_Pen> ><)))'>
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[12:25] <GATT0> hi
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[12:30] <Quiznos> where is blackbox's menu files for adding to?
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[12:35] <Quiznos> munging blackbox menus; is there a slackable conf script to assist?
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[12:38] <Pig_Pen> Quiznos: did you look in /usr/share ? or maybe explodepkg on the blackbox package?
[12:38] <Quiznos> look for what? i found the mnu files
[12:39] <Quiznos> wondering bout slack conf style script to asst
[12:39] <Quiznos> file
[12:39] <Quiznos> there's one default mnu file for bb
[12:39] <jeev> Quiznos
[12:39] <jeev> got a second for some more sexy sed + bickering bout the world ?
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[12:40] <Quiznos> sure
[12:40] <jeev> seems ilke more escaped, your shit fixed a lot of files
[12:40] <Quiznos> heh yw
[12:40] <jeev> can we do it without the <body> but have it search for more stuff inside <script> ?
[12:41] <Quiznos> if you can ident a pattern, then yea
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[12:41] <Quiznos> a starting prefix
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[12:41] <Quiznos> but a end prefix wil do too
[12:41] <Quiznos> oops quuit
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[12:43] <Quiznos> \a starting prefix is preferred but a end prefix will do too
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[12:43] <jeev> heh
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[12:43] <Quiznos> a starting prefix is preferred but a end prefix will do too
[12:43] <Quiznos> put into #flude
[12:43] <Pig_Pen> look at ~/.blackboxrc it has a line that points to the menu, i bet you can change it to some other file like ~/.menu and build your own custom menu
[12:44] <Quiznos> ok
[12:44] <Quiznos> jeev join #flude and dump what you want
[12:44] <jeev> you didn't get the pasetbin ?
[12:44] <Quiznos> nop
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[12:47] <jeev> eh Quiznoski
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[12:49] <Quiznos> reparsing, reformating code
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[12:50] <Quiznos> jeev refresh page, my nick
[12:51] <MLanden> heya slackers....how's all ?
[12:51] <Quiznos> hi
[12:51] <Wurm[Away]> Hi MLanden
[12:51] <Quiznos> jeev those Bpa2== tests are testing for char class ranges.
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[12:52] <MLanden> heya,Wurm[Away]
[12:53] <Quiznos> jeev that code is pseudo-rot13'd using diff algorithm
[12:53] <Quiznos> different
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[12:56] <Quiznos> lagd
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[12:56] <Quiznos> split acomin
[12:56] <Necos> what code?
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[12:56] <Quiznos> pastebin.ca/ my nick, js code
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[12:59] <Necos> that's some funky variable naming
[12:59] <Quiznos> jeev that code is pseudo-encrypted (kinda like rot13) using a provided algorithm
[12:59] <Quiznos> Necos yea, pseudo-umm
[13:00] <Quiznos> there's a word for it
[13:00] <Necos> you're trying to be obfuscated?
[13:00] <Quiznos> yea
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[13:00] <Quiznos> that
[13:00] <Quiznos> not me;\
[13:00] <jeev> i know, it's a backdork
[13:00] <Quiznos> jeev that code is pseudo-encrypted (kinda like rot13) using a provided algorithm
[13:01] <jeev> if (strlen($_POST[ccc])==0){if ($_POST[pass]!='123'){echo '<html><body bgcolor=#BBFFBB onload="document.myf.pass.focus();"><form method=POST><input name=pass></form></body></html>';exit();}echo '<html><body
[13:01] <jeev> ..
[13:01] <jeev> t's shit liek that
[13:01] <Quiznos> the Bpa== is testing for char classes
[13:01] <Quiznos> jeev quit the pm's?  another is reding too
[13:01] <Quiznos> jeev from where to where?
[13:01] <Quiznos> jeev did you see my reformatted code?
[13:01] <jeev> i dont want reformatted code
[13:01] <jeev> i need a sed line to remove it!
[13:01] <Quiznos> i know but to know what it does
[13:02] <Pig_Pen> http://imaletyoufinish.com/
[13:02] <Quiznos> heh
[13:02] <Quiznos> jeev rm what to what?
[13:02] <jeev> i know what it does
[13:02] <Quiznos> k
[13:02] <jeev> <script> to </script>
[13:02] <jeev> with the stuff in the middle
[13:02] <jeev> to verify, beacuse there are other <script>
[13:02] <Quiznos> through out the file? or the one occurence?
[13:03] <jeev> Quiznos's, like yesterday
[13:03] <jeev> you gave me a one liner sed
[13:03] <Quiznos> that was 1 occur from body><script
[13:03] <Quiznos> ok
[13:03] <jeev> yes
[13:04] <jeev> now, there is no <body>
[13:04] <jeev> so it probably has to be rotated
[13:04] <Quiznos> what preceeds <script> now?
[13:04] <Necos> eh? what you trying to do jeev? :P
[13:04] <Quiznos> anything consistent?
[13:04] <jeev> Quiznos, dood
[13:04] <jeev> that long ass <script> </script> needs to be removed
[13:04] <jeev> Necos, friends server was infected
[13:05] <Necos> and so now he has bad js in his pages?
[13:05] <jeev> yep
[13:05] <jeev> so now sed -i -e 's/[<]body[>].*\([<]script[>].*[<][/]script[>]\)/<body>/g' $1
[13:05] <Quiznos> sed -i -e -s 's,<script>.*</script>,,' files  ## to rm all script blocks
[13:05] <jeev> Quiznos, but the files also have legit <script> in them.
[13:05] <Quiznos> ok
[13:06] <jeev> so i was saying
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[13:06] <jeev> maybe remove it if it has Yhx1.split in there too
[13:06] <Quiznos> ok...
[13:06] <jeev> i can probably grep -v this now actually, no? it's all a separate line.. but i better not risk i
[13:06] <jeev> it
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[13:09] <Necos> jeev, i'd say start with something that you know is common to most script blocks and refine
[13:09] <Quiznos> jeev do all <script> have /**/ after and before </script> ?
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[13:09] <Quiznos> Necos that's what i'm trying to design
[13:09] <jeev> yea
[13:09] <bradhex> not much help in #ndiswrapper. Just installed 13.0 using ndiswrapper 1.55. Everything installed fine, ndiswrapper -l shows hardware present and modprobe ndiswrapper returned no errors. dmesg shows ndiswrapper loaded but iwconfig returns no wireless cards. any ideas?
[13:09] <Quiznos> ok
[13:10] <Quiznos> jeev i think multiple sed's would be cleaner
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[13:10] <jeev> i tried grep -v and it was promising
[13:10] <jeev> not sure if i want to risk it though
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[13:11] <Quiznos> 1. sed -i -e -s 's/Bpm6(Oofe.*[;]//g'
[13:11] <MLanden> bradhex: what is the wireless card/chip?
[13:11] <jeev> ahh
[13:11] <jeev> you know, now it might be adding <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#FFFFFF" link="#FFFFFF" vlink="#FFFFFF" alink="#FF0000" leftmargin="0" topmargin="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0">
[13:11] <jeev> or that may be in front of it
[13:11] <bradhex> it's a broadcomm card, bcmwl5 14e4:4329
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[13:12] <Quiznos> sed -i -e -s 's/function tor4.*var Anb8;$//g'
[13:12] <mancha> bradhex, i'd use b43 if i were you
[13:12] <Quiznos> try those two 1. then the second
[13:12] <mancha> i presume it is a b43xx chip
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[13:12] <Cryp71c> Is there anyway to install slackware (or any linux distro for that matter) without a boot-material (cd-rom, flash drive, etc.) ?
[13:12] <Quiznos> Cryp71c via net
[13:12] <Necos> no :P
[13:12] <Quiznos> easy for slack
[13:12] <bradhex> Mlanden: i'll give it a shot real quick, although it worked absolutely fine on 12.2
[13:12] <Necos> he said without booting material (i.e., no floppy drive)
[13:12] <mancha> well you have to boot into something
[13:13] <Quiznos> ftp files from a/ and n/ to localdisk and install locall
[13:13] <jeev> when i grep -v, it took out the body too
[13:13] <jeev> again
[13:13] <Quiznos> grep -v what?
[13:13] <bradhex> er, wrong person.
[13:13] <jeev> Quiznos, i think that's the problem
[13:13] <Quiznos> jeev backup file, try my 2 sed's in order
[13:13] <jeev> if i grep -v Yhx1.split file >> test
[13:13] <pupit> i need some advice: what slack is best for asus EeePC 4g? 32bit or 64bit?
[13:14] <jeev> and i diff the original, it took out the bad line, but also took out the <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#FFFFFF" link="#FFFFFF" vlink="#FFFFFF" alink="#FF0000" leftmargin="0" topmargin="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0">
[13:14] <mancha> pupit is the eeepc 4g 6 bit?
[13:14] <jeev> the original sed line you did for me only had <body> but these are <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#FFFFFF" link="#FFFFFF" vlink="#FFFFFF" alink="#FF0000" leftmargin="0" topmargin="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0">
[13:14] <Quiznos> where was that body line?
[13:14] <mancha> 64 bit?
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[13:14] <Quiznos> but i'm not using <body
[13:14] <jeev> it was already in the file, the script attached it
[13:14] <Quiznos> attached how?
[13:14] <jeev> the first one liner you gave me worked for <body>
[13:14] <pupit> mancha: i dont know...
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[13:14] <jeev> Quiznos, it was a script that ruined most of the html and php's
[13:14] <Quiznos> nods
[13:15] <pupit> its a7" netbook mancha..
[13:15] <jeev> the one liner you gave me fixed it for <body> but now it's <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#FFFFFF" link="#FFFFFF" vlink="#FFFFFF" alink="#FF0000" leftmargin="0" topmargin="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0">
[13:15] <mancha> wth is with all these pastes of html?
[13:15] <godling> grep -v inverts the match, so only lines containing 'Yhx1.split' will be removed from the output.
[13:15] <Quiznos> file cleanup mancha
[13:15] <Quiznos> jeev oh; (grep) stop doin that :)
[13:15] <MLanden> bradhex: all ok... http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ might help as well
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[13:17] <bradhex> mlanden: maybe the broadcom guys might be able to help as well on their channel. thanks for the link though.
[13:17] <MLanden> bradhex: np... some good reading
[13:17] <mancha> brad any reason you don't bant to use b43?
[13:18] <Quiznos> jeev try this; grep -vi 'wee1|tor2|fwm3bpa2|zut4|jvu7|bpm6' file
[13:18] <Quiznos> oops
[13:18] <Quiznos> jeev try this; grep -vi 'wee1|tor2|fwm3|bpa2|zut4|jvu7|bpm6' file
[13:18] <Quiznos> or
[13:18] <Quiznos> jeev try this; grep -vi 'wee1|tor2|fwm3|bp[am][26]|zut4|jvu7' file
[13:18] <Quiznos> taht's it
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[13:18] <mancha> why don't you just unobfuscate it for him
[13:18] <Quiznos> he wants it rm'd
[13:19] <Quiznos> it's corupted code in friend's webtree
[13:19] <mancha> and why is "rm" not enough?
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[13:19] <Quiznos> i dont mean literal rm
[13:19] <Quiznos> just remove it
[13:20] <Quiznos> make webtree files clean again pre-infection
[13:20] <godling> how confusing :P
[13:20] <Quiznos> well, i get what he wants
[13:20] <mancha> this is the result of an infection?
[13:20] <Quiznos> apparently; i dont know whole story tho
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[13:21] <jeev> heh Quiznos
[13:21] <pupit> mancha: it has a socket 479, Intel Celeron M ULV 900MHz... im looking for some specs about that proc...
[13:21] <jeev> you were sharp yesterday!
[13:21] <Quiznos> lol; past glories are fun to remember
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[13:21] <Quiznos> meaning what?
[13:22] <godling> pupit: have you tried intel's website?
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[13:22] <pupit> godling: found it.. its just for 32 bit instrucition set.. i rest my case...
[13:22] <pupit> thanx mancha godling
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[13:23] <mancha> np
[13:23] <jeev> Quiznos
[13:23] <godling> here I am Googling bcmwl5 stuff for bradhex, and he left. :P
[13:23] <Quiznos> hi
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[13:24] <Quiznos> jeev yea
[13:24] <Quiznos> yea
[13:24] <Quiznos> so that's the anchor for the pattern now?
[13:24] <Quiznos> ok
[13:25] <Quiznos> jeev did you try my TWO sed cmds yet?
[13:25] <jeev> no i was ont he phone
[13:25] <jeev> which one
[13:25] <Quiznos> both
[13:25] <jeev> sed -i -e -s 's/Bpm6(Oofe.*[;]//g' sed -i -e -s 's/function tor4.*var Anb8;$//g'
[13:25] <jeev> ?
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[13:25] <Quiznos> yes
[13:26] <jeev> sec
[13:26] <jeev> didnt workie
[13:26] <Quiznos> brb
[13:27] <Quiznos> what did it leave behind?
[13:28] <jeev> same thing
[13:28] <jonsmith1982> looks abit greedy to me.
[13:28] <Quiznos> same what?
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[13:29] <Quiznos> jeev try this one, egrep -vi 'wee1|tor2|fwm3|bp[am][26]|zut4|jvu7' file
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[13:30] <Quiznos> jeev try this one, egrep -vi 'wee1|tor4|fwm3|bp[am][26]|zut4|jvu7' file
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[13:31] <Quiznos> jeev that should all lines except the scripting
[13:31] <mancha> since its only you two concerned, can't this be done in /msg ?
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[13:31] <Quiznos> no bc someone else might catch something that we miss
[13:31] <Quiznos> jeev ##linux
[13:31] <Quiznos> more eyes there
[13:32] <slackytude> y0
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[13:32] <mrselfpwn> y0
[13:32] Nick change: blackthorne_ -> blackthorne
[13:32] <mrselfpwn> slackytude: what's up?
[13:32] <slackytude> heya mrselfpwn, not much here, just went home.
[13:32] <slackytude> mrselfpwn, and what are you up to?
[13:33] <mrselfpwn> about to get ready to go to a street dance tonight
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[13:33] <mrselfpwn> shrimp festiva
[13:33] <mrselfpwn> l
[13:33] <slackytude> eh, that sounds fun
[13:33] <slackytude> or gay
[13:33] <mancha> all little people?
[13:33] <mrselfpwn> no it's fun
[13:33] <slackytude> what is a shrimpl ?
[13:33] <mrselfpwn> mancha: lol
[13:34] <mancha> :>
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[13:34] <mrselfpwn> it's the celebration of the seafood shrimp
[13:35] <MLanden> prawns are another way of referring to 'em
[13:35] <mrselfpwn> i'm from the south.  we have the rice festival, shrimp festival, watermelon festival, among others
[13:35] <mrselfpwn> grits festival
[13:35] <slackytude> like forrest gump
[13:35] <mrselfpwn> lol
[13:35] <Necos> mrselfpwn, where you from again? :P
[13:35] <slackytude> sounds good
[13:35] <godling> Mmm grits.
[13:35] <mrselfpwn> Necos: SC
[13:35] <godling> yeah it does, and I'm hungry. :P
[13:35] <mrselfpwn> heh
[13:36] <slackytude> Ill be early in bed. this week and last really got to me
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[13:36] <mrselfpwn> yes, whichever festival it is you can be sure there will be plenty of it and cooked all kinds of ways.
[13:36] <Necos> oh, my dad's fam is from west louisiana :P
[13:36] <mrselfpwn> ah cool
[13:37] <MLanden> mrselfpwn: low country?
[13:37] <mrselfpwn> MLanden: yep
[13:37] <mrselfpwn> Charleston area
[13:37] <MLanden> cool....ought to be a fun celebration
[13:37] <mrselfpwn> yes, shrimp festival is one of the better ones.
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[13:38] <mrselfpwn> live music, dancing and drinking in the streets.
[13:38] <Necos> prawns is the best tho mrselfpwn
[13:38] <Quiznos> i had sushi the other day at a friend's home.  ginger and wasabi.  omg
[13:39] <mrselfpwn> ^^
[13:39] <mrselfpwn> mmmm... wasabi
[13:39] <Quiznos> the pain was absolutely delish
[13:39] <MLanden> wasabi hot 'nough,Quiznos?
[13:39] <Necos> lol
[13:39] <Quiznos> absotively
[13:39] <Necos> it's not even hot.. that shit just clears out your sinuses
[13:39] <Quiznos> amen
[13:39] <mrselfpwn> I like seared tuna with wasabi and seseme sead oil
[13:39] <antiwire> the training website that I'm supposed to be using right now is dead
[13:39] <mancha> and it stings twice
[13:39] <antiwire> gg
[13:40] <Quiznos> mmm
[13:40] <mancha> entry and exit stings
[13:40] <slackytude> antiwire, free time then?
[13:40] <antiwire> seems so, for now
[13:40] <Quiznos> brb
[13:40] <antiwire> I'm reading about the SIP protocol now
[13:40] <Quiznos> now im ahungred
[13:41] <mrselfpwn> hah, me too
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[13:42] <mrselfpwn> i just discovered Bitlbee.  it's pretty kickass
[13:42] <mrselfpwn> can do away with pidgin now
[13:43] <AbortRetryFail> mrselfpwn: meh
[13:43] <AbortRetryFail> i like finch better than bitlbee
[13:43] <Necos> finch++
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[13:44] <mrselfpwn> Yeah, i like finch though I don't see any reason not to use bitlbee since I can integrate into irssi
[13:44] <Pig_Pen> http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/20_Questions_for_Fake_Linus_Torvalds
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[13:46] <godling> The fake Linus music video is so horrible.
[13:48] <godling> It appears that bitlbee adds another layer of insecurity to your im session
[13:48] <mrselfpwn> FLT: Nobody makes me do anything. That's what so great about this job. I spend many days simply trying to learn Napoleon Dynamite's dance moves.
[13:48] <mrselfpwn> lol
[13:49] <mrselfpwn> godling: yes though who really wants to hijack my chat session?
[13:49] <slackytude> heh
[13:49] <slackytude> what job is that
[13:49] <mancha> i'd hijack it just for ome shrimp festival gossip
[13:49] <mancha> *som
[13:49] <mancha> ack, /me quits
[13:50] <mrselfpwn> that was the Fake Linux Torvalds response to a question
[13:50] <Quiznos> carbon credits for sale at los angeles airport kiosks; can anyone visit and determine if linux is being used?
[13:50] <Quiznos> i think it's l.a. airport
[13:51] <Necos> lol
[13:51] <Necos> no
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[13:52] <Necos> i'm about ~25 min from LAX
[13:52] <Quiznos> kk; watch for it?
[13:52] <godling> Quiznos: You want someone to look suspicious at an airport doing what now?
[13:52] <Necos> godling, exactly why i won't do it lol
[13:52] <mrselfpwn> and after looking into it they can only delete my bitlebee account, since i'm not using a free public server.
[13:53] <Quiznos> no, just scope out the kiosks selling bogus "certified carbon credit" rofl
[13:53] <Necos> eh mrselfpwn?
[13:53] <Necos> wtf is certified carbon credit :P
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[13:54] <Quiznos> the dc carbon-tax bs;  like the oxygen tax in _total recall_
[13:54] <Quiznos> cap and tax?
[13:54] <godling> the idea that people can buy carbon credits to offset their personal carbon footprint, Necos
[13:55] <Quiznos> carboin emissins cap
[13:55] <Necos> hahahaha
[13:55] <godling> yes Necos
[13:55] <Quiznos> lolol he got it
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[13:55] <godling> It is immensely laughable
[13:55] <Quiznos> yep nods
[13:55] <godling> slightly infuriating, even
[13:55] <Quiznos> fiction becomes reality; Total Recall
[13:55] <mrselfpwn> Necos: http://www.bitlbee.org/main.php/news.r.html  Read "The Bugs We've Been Hunting"
[13:55] <Quiznos> we are a carbon based life
[13:56] <Quiznos> how ironic
[13:56] <Quiznos> now why cant i live in a biosphere and make -carbon debits?
[13:56] <Quiznos> wait; that's what the earth is
[13:56] <Quiznos> NO NEED!!! yay
[13:56] <Quiznos> just fkg plant more trees
[13:57] <Quiznos> (no one talks about clear cutting anymore on the news
[13:57] <Quiznos> i'd like to see a gif-movie of sat images of the amazon
[13:57] <Necos> Quiznos because people want their versace shoes and stuff >.<;
[13:58] <mrselfpwn> what are trees?
[13:58] <Quiznos> versace amde of wood?
[13:58] <Quiznos> carbon sponges
[13:58] <Necos> rubber
[13:58] <Quiznos> brb
[13:59] <Necos> but yeah, it's all a distraction technique, i'd say A-rank
[13:59] <Quiznos> nods
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[13:59] <Quiznos> Q: can the whole amazon forest be cut down in ~60 years?
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[14:00] <godling> A: With technology, anything is possible!
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[14:00] <godling> A: Yes we can!
[14:00] <Pig_Pen> the carbon an individual produces in miniscule compared to say a factory like steel smelting or large manufacturing
[14:00] <ccfreak2k> A: No. It can only be cut down in 10 years.
[14:01] <ccfreak2k> Pig_Pen, how about the carbon of the people who RUN the steel mill?
[14:01] <godling> Pig_Pen: sure, but what about the carbon that 304 million people produce?
[14:01] <ccfreak2k> Or a volcano?
[14:01] <godling> people who run a volcano?
[14:01] <godling> what?
[14:01] <ccfreak2k> yeah.
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[14:01] <ccfreak2k> What, you don't know people who work in a volcano?
[14:02] <godling> Um, yeah. I was just testing you. Doesn't everyone?
[14:02] <godling> :P
[14:02] <mrselfpwn> i've seen those guys who get like 20 feet from spewing volcanos walking around collecting samples.
[14:02] <Pig_Pen> a volcano can produce more carbon in one day than all the humans on earth have in the entire history of civilization
[14:02] <godling> Pig_Pen: Is that factual?
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[14:02] <Pig_Pen> yes
[14:02] <Quiznos> or an asteroid, as mentioned in Revelation
[14:02] <Necos> lol
[14:02] <Quiznos> or meteor
[14:02] <godling> [citation needed]
[14:02] <mrselfpwn> and a big flame shot up and the guy acted startled.  I was wondering why the hell he wasn't paying attention in the first place.
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[14:02] <Quiznos> lol
[14:03] <Quiznos> gold you want space rock cite?
[14:03] <godling> mrselfpwn: those people have to really watch out for lava bombs
[14:03] <jeev> quiznoski
[14:03] <Quiznos> hi
[14:04] <jeev> give me a few min
[14:04] <Quiznos> k, fo0ding
[14:04] <godling> hurry up and wait, Quiznos!
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[14:05] <Pig_Pen> forget the religious aspect, just look at the past, 65 million years ago all the dinosaurs died from a meteor strike (k/t boundy is rich in irridium is 65 million years old, evidence of meteor strike) it happened before and it could happen again, (i am still an atheist regardless of the ramblings of the religious
[14:06] <mrselfpwn> godling: yeah, but it was funny as if he was just taking a stroll and this huge flame up of lava startled him like he had forgotten where he was at.
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[14:06] <godling> haha yeah mrselfpwn
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[14:07] <Quiznos> actually fo0ding now
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[14:08] <Quiznos> Pig_Pen ok; talk to me when you see the rock approaching :)
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[14:08] <Quiznos> if you cant find me, wait 7 years; i'll be bok
[14:09] <Quiznos> lol
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[14:10] <Pig_Pen> no need, thats when i will get extremely drunk and relax while the doom of civilization comes, if your delusion of god makes you happy then by all means pray to your non-existent god, but when its all over you will be just as dead as everyone else if a planet busting meteor strike renders all humans extinct
[14:11] <Quiznos> Pig_Pen it's telling how you attempt to non-adjective God to describe your own thoughts of His un-ness :)
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[14:11] <godling> The only Gods in ##Slackware are the channel operators.
[14:11] <MLanden> and the roaches of the world shall prosper on those twinkies....:D
[14:11] <godling> :P
[14:11] <Quiznos> the rock will fall into the oean and poison it
[14:11] <Pig_Pen> superman or batmat can be spoken of the same way, god is just santa clause for adults
[14:12] <Quiznos> MLanden lol
[14:12] <Quiznos> batmat?
[14:12] <Quiznos> rofl
[14:13] <Pig_Pen> typo, batman
[14:13] <Quiznos> i know that'; it's funi
[14:13] <MLanden> sorry...was thinkin of R.Crumb's comix for a second
[14:13] <godling> funny
[14:13] <Quiznos> heh
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[14:13] <godling> ;P
[14:13] <godling> MLanden: Crumb is awesome.
[14:14] <MLanden> good classic stuff..:D
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[14:15] <antiwire> ..
[14:15] <antiwire> oopd
[14:16] <jg71> is anyone using kdetv on slack13-64? i heard theres a port to kde4 (somewhere) but id like to give it a try myself. been using kdetv happily on 12.2
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[14:17] <jg71> "talk to me, goose."
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[14:23] <SuN> I haven't done this for a while.. does anyone know a recent tool that can resize (without data loss) an NTFS partition (XP), preferably free (beer and/or speech)?
[14:23] <godling> MLanden: I am familiar with Crumb's work with Harvey Pekar.
[14:24] <godling> SuN: I bet Google does
[14:24] <slackytude> SuN, gparted? ask #windows
[14:25] <SuN> godling: yes but considering this involves my data, I'd feel more comfortable if someone could recommend a tool that's actually known to work.
[14:25] <MLanden> hear ya,godling
[14:25] <godling> SuN: When you ask the question, people will Google for the answer. :P
[14:26] <SuN> Hm parted has all boxes checked, nice.
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[14:26] <MLanden> godling: you mean American Splendor?
[14:26] <godling> MLanden: Yes, that's it.
[14:26] <SuN> godling: yeah and trick me into using something untrusted anyway, I see your point.
[14:26] <godling> there's no tricking involved
[14:27] <MLanden> had a room mate who collected them...good stuff
[14:27] <godling> you paranoid or something? :)
[14:27] <SuN> Well they wouldn't do it deliberately :D
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[14:28] <SuN> Wow gparted looks quite mature.
[14:28] <SuN> Now I just need someone to confirm this ;)
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[14:29] <godling> good luck finding someone in this channel who uses NTFS on their machine
[14:29] <godling> :P
[14:29] <SuN> Hm I dunno, I imagine quite a few people dualboot.
[14:29] <SuN> Or boot dual.
[14:29] <SuN> Or boot dually.
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[14:30] <Pig_Pen> i dualboot slackware with slackware :D
[14:30] <hashed_> SuN, I recently used gparted to resize an existing NTFS partition, and it worked great
[14:31] <SuN> hashed_: ahh thanks, that's reassuring.
[14:31] <godling> yes, the word of a total stranger on IRC :P
[14:31] <SuN> I will take comfort in hearing a total stranger say it's alright!
[14:31] <LnxSlck> so i mount an usb drive and i can't create a file or directory
[14:31] <LnxSlck> operation not permited
[14:31] <hashed_> lol
[14:31] <LnxSlck> what could this be?
[14:32] <godling> LnxSlck: are you using multiple computers?
[14:32] <Pig_Pen> if you have a 64 bit PC you can install two 32 bit OSs set up lilo to boot both at the same time and 32+32=64 ;p
[14:32] <LnxSlck> godling, Option utf8 is no longer supported, using option nls=utf8.
[14:32] <LnxSlck> godling, this is the problem i think
[14:33] <godling> why do you think that would be a problem, LnxSlck/
[14:33] <godling> ?
[14:33] <LnxSlck> godling, this is my usb device: NTFS-fs warning (device sdc1):
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[14:33] <SuN> godling: hah, someone using NTFS in this channel! :D
[14:34] <hashed_> lol
[14:34] <godling> on their machine?
[14:34] <LnxSlck> SuN, it's an usb disc i have in ntfs
[14:34] <hashed_> not everyone are complete snobs just because they use linux ;)
[14:34] <hashed_> ahem, excuse me.. did i say that??
[14:34] <Pig_Pen> well... if you dont like or trust the free solutions for resizing ntfs you can always go for an expensive proprietary solution
[14:34] <LnxSlck> SuN, it's beeing used in both windows and linux machines
[14:35] <SuN> Pig_Pen: well, you're familiar with open source, there's a lot of difference in quality, reality of claims and reliability of software.
[14:35] <SuN> But I like how I can use a community to share experiences.
[14:35] <hashed_> agreed
[14:35] <antiwire> using open Openvpn I have my server configured to push a new default gateway to clients and that works fine but I'm trying to figure out if there is a way to configure the client to reject that option on an arbitrary basis, without needing to modify the server config.
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[14:36] <LnxSlck> godling, any ideas on my issue?
[14:36] <Pig_Pen> heh! yes you are right, thats why i abandoned ms-windows because i never seen a BSOD or the entire system lock up hard due to a browser failure internet exploder,
[14:36] <jg71> antiwire, thats tricky. i dont think thats possible on the client-side. have you consulted the openvpn-users mailinglist?
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[14:37] <SuN> Pig_Pen: well, I'm a snob about this, no doubt, but as long as the people who decide over my graduation have anything to say about it, I have to control it :D
[14:37] <SuN> But it's really unrealistic to say that Linux doesn't have problems. It is however an environment I feel much more at home in.
[14:38] <slackytude> antiwire, I guess you could whip up a script the observes the routing entry on client
[14:39] <slackytude> afaik, there is no built in support for that in openvpn
[14:39] <antiwire> slackytude: yeah, I was shooting to do it in the openvpn client side config but that might not be possible
[14:39] <Pig_Pen> sure, i seen the desktop environment lock up on linux, but guess what i can usually get out of it without a reboot, just ctrl alt backspace and that kills X leaving me in a bash prompt and i can startx again choosing a different window manager or an oppurtunity to find and fix what is wrong
[14:39] <antiwire> I can have the client side run a script though
[14:39] <slackytude> yeah, a script the will call openvpn and deceide on routing
[14:39] <SuN> But I remember this presentation, when upon connecting to a beamer, X decided it should use a 1024x768 virtual screen size on an actual output resolution of 640x480, resulting in more than half my presentation to not be visible, and I needed to scroll through the slides.
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[14:40] <slackytude> xrand can be tricky
[14:40] <MLanden> right,Pig_Pen....beauty of going behind the scenes...:D
[14:40] <SuN> slackytude: well, granted, this was some time before xrand, even.
[14:40] <slackytude> heh
[14:40] <SuN> 2003ish
[14:41] <slackytude> I couldnt go back to windows
[14:41] <SuN> slackytude: neither could I, at least not for daily use.
[14:41] <slackytude> just doesnt feel right
[14:41] <Pig_Pen> i would not install ms-windows even if bill gates himself came to my house and offered my a free copy
[14:42] <SuN> Yeah, it takes 20 "clicks" to get anywhere and even then it's full of dead ends as far as error messages are concerned.
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[14:42] <SuN> But hey, let's not badmouth MS too much, after all I'm making nice money on the side troubleshooting people's computers :D
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[14:43] <SuN> If MS made perfect software I'd have less beer.
[14:43] <godling> You're giving me a headache.
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[14:43] <SuN> We can't have that.
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[14:44] <Pig_Pen> if thats what you want to do, = deal with unhappy windows users with their broken OS, i use a mitresaw and nailgun for a living and nobody around griping
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[14:44] <SuN> Well I've made lots of people quite happy.
[14:44] <godling> Pig_Pen: would you gripe to someone lugging around a miter box and a nail gun? :P
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[14:45] <godling> *someone who was
[14:45] <hashed_> Sure windows sucks, but it is good to keep up with, as just about every other business and user has it.  if i only used Linux, i wouldn't know jack squat about window's registry (no i do not like windows)
[14:45] <Pig_Pen> especially not a nailgun
[14:45] <godling> Pig_Pen: what kind do you have?
[14:45] <Pig_Pen> mikita
[14:45] <SuN> hashed_: wine has a registry, you know :D
[14:46] <godling> a boss at one of my old jobs had a powder charge nail gun
[14:46] <godling> it was awesome
[14:46] <hashed_> hehe.. yeah, i thought about that after I said it
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[14:46] <hashed_> but still, i'm not going to waste my time messing with registry in Wine while i'm using linux
[14:47] <SuN> I've done it for CrossOver office.
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[14:47] <Pig_Pen> i just buy cheap little ones, its only for finish work like wood trim, baseboards & trim around doors & etc
[14:47] <pi31415> godling: bet you could use that to drive a 6 inch spike through a board
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[14:47] <SuN> Had to override a default font in the registry because it defaulted to Wingdings or whatever.
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[14:47] <shik4nt4z4> Hello!
[14:48] <godling> pi31415: there was a cat that was running around underneath a raised floor...
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[14:49] <godling> shik4nt4z4: hi
[14:49] <SuN> I've actually migrated machines for my dad's company from Windows to Linux, but I have to use CrossOver + MS Office, it's impossible to interoperate with other MS Office users without it.
[14:49] <SuN> But it runs quite well and it's pretty much maintenance-free.
[14:51] <LnxSlck> godling, solved the problem ;)
[14:51] <godling> LnxSlck: how?
[14:51] <LnxSlck> godling, passed the option nls=utf8 to fstab
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[14:52] <godling> whodathunkit!
[14:52] <LnxSlck> ;)
[14:53] <LnxSlck> time to shave this bear
[14:53] <LnxSlck> :)
[14:53] <godling> kinky
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[14:54] <Thursap> what is the best email service out there? is fastmail a good choice?
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[14:55] <Necos> best?
[14:56] <Necos> use gmail... it's the most common
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[14:57] <hashed_> yikes... fastmail is expensive.  host your own email
[14:57] Action: Dominian does
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[14:58] <hashed_> $915 per year, for 5 "professional" accounts and 20 "standard" accounts.  screw that :P
[14:58] <Dominian> hashed_: expensive?
[14:58] <Thursap> gmail has been down regularly
[14:58] <Dominian> 4.95 a year for personal accounts
[14:58] <slackytude> lol?
[14:58] <Dominian> with 30MB free
[14:58] <godling> Thursap: Why is ##Slackware the place to ask this question? :)
[14:58] <Dominian> Thursap: Or do what I did.. get a linode.. host your own mail hehe
[14:58] <slackytude> coz we know
[14:58] <hashed_> oh, for personal use.  ok, i'm looking at the business section.
[14:59] <Dominian> hashed_: personal does 334.95 a year with 6GB storage
[14:59] <Dominian> er.
[14:59] <Dominian> 34.94
[14:59] <slackytude> all of freenode comes over if the need to know
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[15:03] <mrselfpwn> lol, #slackware is like the end of the internet
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[15:03] <Pa^2> At least it is this end and not the other end.
[15:03] <MLanden> lol,mrselfpwn
[15:03] <slackytude> the other end would be what? #ubuntu?
[15:03] <mrselfpwn> yes indeed
[15:03] <mrselfpwn> #windows??
[15:04] <slackytude> noobfarm
[15:04] <MLanden> helluva a beginning marker,lol
[15:04] <mrselfpwn> lol
[15:04] <mrselfpwn> maybe #slackware is the alpha AND the omega
[15:05] <Pa^2> Yeah, but if it were't for us noobs you old crudmugeons would feel neglected.  *smirk*
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[15:05] <mrselfpwn> [in bed]
[15:05] <TNTslack> #ubuntu
[15:06] <Dominian> TNTslack: can we help you with something?
[15:07] <TNTslack> with?
[15:07] <Dominian> 15:05 -!- TNTslack [n=who@adsl88-58.ath.forthnet.gr] has joined ##slackware
[15:07] <Dominian> 15:05 < TNTslack> #ubuntu
[15:07] <Pig_Pen> Pat is retiring, the next version of slackware is going to based on ubuntu, that should give you nightmares
[15:07] <slackytude> Pig_Pen, O_o
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[15:07] <godling> Pig_Pen: [citation needed]
[15:07] <bolide> </joke> :p
[15:07] <TNTslack> Dominian, so?
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[15:08] <TNTslack> i was showing to my friend who is sitting next to me, and by miss click pushed enter...
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[15:09] <Dominian> uh huh
[15:09] <TNTslack> ...
[15:09] <mrselfpwn> TNTslack: tell him to get a haircut
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[15:09] <godling> hippy
[15:09] <TNTslack> xaxa
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[15:09] <Necos> hmmm
[15:09] <Necos> random firefox question...
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[15:09] <godling> xaxa?
[15:09] <Necos> is there an x64 version for windows too?
[15:09] <mrselfpwn> beats me
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[15:09] <mrselfpwn> yes Necos
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[15:09] <slackytude> Necos, since XP
[15:10] <slackytude> oh wait
[15:10] <slackytude> nvm
[15:10] <godling> Necos: ctrl-k gets you to the google search box
[15:10] <godling> </random firefox answer>
[15:10] <mrselfpwn> I know it used to be named Minefield of something like that
[15:10] <Necos> updating FF on my 2k3 server, but it's x64
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[15:10] <mrselfpwn> s/of/or
[15:11] <slackytude> anybody knows something like a ldap proxy that will query a server and relay to a client with additional attributes`
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[15:11] <mrselfpwn> but i think the firefox 64 version is under a different name if it is even being released anymore for windows.
[15:11] <godling> hte trunk is called minefield
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[15:13] <Necos> that's what i was trying to figure out mrselfpwn :P
[15:14] <Necos> i just forgot what it was called
[15:14] <Pig_Pen> you mean to tell me that there is still problems getting software to run natively on 64 bit PCs?
[15:14] <slackytude> Pig_Pen, sure, try skype
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[15:15] <Necos> i read a thing on porting software to x64 (i think it was talking about windows), and it didn't seem that trivial
[15:16] <Pig_Pen> how long have 64 bit PCs been out now? sheesh you would think they would have all that ironed out by now
[15:16] <SuN> It seemed fairly trivial for most Linux apps.
[15:16] <Necos> it was a long time ago, tho
[15:16] Action: jescis is fallowing the upgrade instructions for 13.0 from 12.2 in the UPGRADE.TXT ;)
[15:16] <Necos> depends on whether or not all of the pre-req libs are also completely 64-bit too
[15:17] <jescis> soon I'll be current bwahahaha >:)
[15:18] <Necos> you're a bit late to the game :)
[15:18] <SuN> Wow, gparted's live USB option is very nice, and it looks like my XP install survived the resize operation.
[15:18] <mrselfpwn> heh
[15:18] <mrselfpwn> some wish they were dated more. :P
[15:19] <mrselfpwn> damn my dry humor
[15:19] <godling> you have a sense of humor?
[15:19] <jescis> mrselfpwn, I'm always late... I had a 386 Tandy 2500SX25 when others had Pentium class cpu computers ;)
[15:20] <jescis> oops /s mrselfpwn / Necos
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[15:20] <Necos> lol
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[15:20] <slackytude> speaking about current, anybody here got the 13 dvd already?
[15:20] <Necos> http://wiki.mozilla-x86-64.com/Firefox:Download <---- geez
[15:20] <mrselfpwn> godling: you have any cents?
[15:21] <mrselfpwn> slackytude: I have not.  Only the iso.
[15:22] <jescis> Necos, I also have an Apple IIe now too(thanks to ebay ;) )
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[15:23] <fhobia> i have the 13 cd set
[15:23] <fhobia> well, i didn't open the envelope, so who knows what i got . . .
[15:23] <mrselfpwn> lol
[15:24] Action: slackytude wants his slack dvd :
[15:24] <fhobia> one time i got the old version
[15:24] <Necos> hmmmm
[15:24] <fhobia> then they said keep it and sent me new one
[15:24] <fhobia> actually
[15:24] <jescis> sweet! :O
[15:24] <fhobia> no, they sent me two of the current one
[15:24] <fhobia> and they said keep it
[15:25] <jescis> sweeter still! :O
[15:25] <fhobia> 8)
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[15:26] <Pig_Pen> if you catch the swine flu you will need some oinkment, if you get bird flu you will need a tweetment
[15:26] Action: Pa^2 holds his nose...
[15:26] <MLanden> what 'bout diarrhea,Pig_Pen?..:P
[15:26] <Necos> and it's called Shiretoko
[15:26] <Pig_Pen> duct tape
[15:27] <jescis> Necos, btw, I was fourteen when I first used an Apple IIe. Which came out when I was five o.O
[15:27] <MLanden> damn straight....lol...:D
[15:27] <Necos> lol jescis
[15:28] <fhobia> duct tape eh? . . . o_o hope it holds up
[15:28] <Necos> hmmmmm, this 64-bit build of FF on windows makes me nervous...
[15:28] <jescis> Necos, so just call me a computist late bloomer ;)
[15:28] <Necos> i'll just call you late :P
[15:28] <Necos> i don't think you're blooming at all
[15:28] <Necos> lol
[15:29] <jescis> rofl
[15:29] <kleanchap> On Slackware, I am doing the FULL installation for the first time ever.  The question I have is, what are the default services set to in Slackware (such as Postgres or MySql) or (Sendmail or Postfix or Exim)?
[15:29] <kleanchap> The installation is going on and these questions came up.
[15:29] <capone> mysql and sendmail
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[15:30] <MLanden> take care,slackers....bbiab
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[15:30] <kleanchap> Don't know why I did it, but FULL install it is. :-|
[15:30] <Necos> later mlanden
[15:30] <kleanchap> capone: Thnx.
[15:31] <deco> kleanchap: full install is good
[15:31] <jescis> is /etc the only directory I need to backup? what about mysql and other /var files?
[15:31] <kleanchap> deco: Probably yes.  Disk space is cheap these days anyway.
[15:31] <Necos> you could always chmod -x on the rc scripts
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[15:32] <kleanchap> The installation seems to be going fast.
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[15:32] <Necos> 'cause those services are checked in rc.M
[15:32] <deco> kleanchap: yeah it is for a full dvd installation
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[15:34] <nachox> i'm bored to death
[15:34] <nachox> i just thought you all should know
[15:34] <deco> nachox: install gentoo than
[15:34] <deco> :D
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[15:34] <godling> nachox: http://www.logicgamesonline.com/nurikabe/
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[15:34] <godling> <3 that game
[15:34] <nachox> there is a difference between bored to death and suicidal deco
[15:35] <deco> nachox: hmmmm hard to tell somtimes
[15:35] <deco> sometimes*
[15:35] <Necos> that's just a sign that you're not as sharp
[15:35] <jescis> nachox, well death is boring... all he ever does is killes people with his scyth ;)
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[15:36] <Necos> death is "bored"... hacking people to death with a scythe is definitely not boring
[15:36] <ElvisPresley> hello everybody
[15:36] <deco> ElvisPresley: viva las vegas!!!
[15:37] <ElvisPresley> hello deco
[15:37] <deco> hi ElvisPresley  i always wanted to meet up :)
[15:37] <deco> meet you*
[15:38] <jescis> Necos, it was a reference to the castlevania/Demon castle Dracula death ;)
[15:38] <godling> deco: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXigfZGqsLM
[15:38] <shonudo> elvis is in the building?
[15:38] <deco> godling: can't watch em
[15:38] <deco> indeed
[15:38] <Necos> jescis, and i was making my own based on your reference :)
[15:40] <godling> deco: can you view jpg?
[15:41] <godling> that video is just a time lapse of someone creating this: http://i.ytimg.com/vi/SXigfZGqsLM/0.jpg
[15:41] <godling> Elvis portrait, on velvet, made with cheese puffs.
[15:41] <Necos> fuck, my cups server just went down
[15:41] <Necos> brb
[15:41] <slackytude> lp0 on fire
[15:42] Action: godling snickers
[15:42] <SuN> Wow... this USB memory drive is slower than booting from a floppy drive... I hope this works :D
[15:42] <SuN> So much for "say goodbye to floppies".
[15:43] <deco> godling: wow lol
[15:43] <hashed_> anyone have a good link on hand, for a good tutorial on setting up an email server with postfix + dovecot + spamassasin?  Apparently, google is not my friend right now.
[15:44] <SuN> Oh wow it finally booted.
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[15:47] <jeev> http://idle.slashdot.org/story/09/09/18/1548259/Burglar-Logs-Into-Facebook-On-Victims-Computer?art_pos=2
[15:47] <jinro> hashed_, this one is pretty good -- but you'll need to run it through your fedora2slackware filter
[15:47] <jeev> i just pissed myself
[15:47] <wamty> i recall the libc5 to 6 transition
[15:47] <jeev> lol
[15:48] <wamty> slack was the last to do that
[15:48] <jeev> yet-another-lobbyist writes to mention that Facebook addiction has finally caused real world consequences, at least for one would-be burglar. It seems that 19-year-old Jonathan Parker couldn't stay away from the popular social networking site, even long enough to rob a house. Parker not only stopped mid-robbery to check his Facebook status on the victim's computer, but left it logged in to his account when he left.
[15:48] <jeev> hahahahahahahah
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[15:48] <hashed_> jinro, link?
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[15:49] <jinro> hashed_, i guess I should give you the link... http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/52506
[15:49] <hashed_> hehe..
[15:49] <hashed_> thanks :)
[15:49] <jinro> np
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[15:50] <init[1]> hey why is that this *man -t cp | ps2pdf f.pdf* doesn't work,seems logically correct
[15:50] <hashed_> whats this about a fedora2slackware filter?  does such a thing exist, or do you mean my own mental filter?  heh
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[15:51] <jinro> hashed_,  mental filter  :)
[15:51] <hashed_> gotcha.  i was about to be very amazed
[15:51] <Necos> hmmm, damn, kernel panics aren't logged to syslog
[15:51] <jinro> it would be funny to make one, though
[15:52] <slackytude> Necos, you can try to get a dumb
[15:52] <slackytude> eh, dump
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[15:53] <macman_> there a way to make a logic parition into a primary parition ?
[15:53] <Necos> i already restarted the cups server
[15:53] <hashed_> jinro, by reading the intro this tutorial seems to be exactly what i need
[15:53] <init[1]> slackytude: hi
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[15:53] <slackytude> y0 init[1]
[15:53] <Pig_Pen> not without wiping out all the other logical partitions
[15:53] <init[1]> :)
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[15:53] <slackytude> Necos, cupds made a kernel panic?
[15:53] <jinro> hashed_, cool
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[15:53] <slackytude> init[1], hows it going?
[15:53] <hashed_> i'm not too familiar wit FC though, so I'll see how my 'filter' works :)
[15:53] <slackytude> Elvis has left the building
[15:54] <Necos> nah, i didn't see what caused the kernel panic
[15:54] <init[1]> slackytude: fine,really busy with university stuff,that's why you don't see me around
[15:54] <Necos> had to restart the server since kids were trying to print
[15:54] <slackytude> init[1], eh, gotta prepare meself for uni aswell, soonish
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[15:54] <jinro> hashed_, it pretty much just means that you won't be able to do their package management stuff (yum, rpm, etc) and init script stuff
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[15:54] <init[1]> slackytude: my best wish :)
[15:55] Nick change: AkumaTw0 -> Akuma
[15:55] <jinro> hashed_, all of the configuration stuff should be the same
[15:55] <slackytude> Necos, Id be pretty impressed if they managed to bring your kernel to panic by printing O_o
[15:55] <slackytude> init[1], likewise ^-^
[15:55] <init[1]> :)^
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[15:56] <Necos> probably just a bad ram write... it can happen over time
[15:56] <init[1]> slackytude: btw i have a problem with converting man to pdf ,*man -t cp | ps2pdf f.pdf* this should work but it doesn't
[15:56] <kleanchap> I am trying to install S13 as a VM and am at the final stages of installation.  When I try to install lilo, I am getting the following error message:  "Fatal: Illegal 'root=' specification: proc"
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[15:56] <slackytude> init[1], eh, not my area, what is *man ?
[15:56] <kleanchap> How do I install Lilo in a VM?
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[15:57] <init[1]> slackytude: sorry * was a kind o quote :)
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[15:57] <Necos> you install it in the superblock
[15:57] <slackytude> init[1], get some Error on that cmd
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[15:57] <init[1]> slackytude: i mean man -t cp | ps2pdf f.pdf
[15:58] <jinro> init[1], you need to tell ps2pdf to read from stdin
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[15:59] <slackytude>  man -t cp > foooo && ps2pdf foooo foopdf.pdf
[15:59] <slackytude> that works
[15:59] <init[1]> ooh,piping wouldn't work , huh !! :-/ ,jinro thanks :)
[15:59] <slackytude> I think jinro is right
[15:59] <slackytude> heh
[15:59] <init[1]> slackytude: yes it does , i wanted to pipe the stuff :)
[15:59] <jinro> init[1], like this, for example:  man -t cp | ps2pdf file.pdf -
[15:59] <init[1]> jinro: got cha,:)
[15:59] <jinro> by default ps2pdf reads in from a file
[16:00] <slackytude> should be ps2pdf - file.pdf
[16:00] <slackytude> input first, I think
[16:00] <jinro> true
[16:00] <jinro> you'd put it after if you wanted to pipe it to lpr or something
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[16:01] <kleanchap> How do you configure X in Slackware?
[16:01] <init[1]> kleanchap: are you on 13 ?
[16:02] <kleanchap> ?
[16:02] <Necos> you shouldn't have to... HAL takes care of most of it now
[16:02] <kleanchap> What do you mean?
[16:02] <init[1]> kleanchap: are you son SW 13 ?
[16:02] <slackytude> recent xorg uses hal + udev to configure itself
[16:02] <init[1]> s/son/on/
[16:02] <kleanchap> oh...Yes!
[16:02] <Pig_Pen> X -configure && cp /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[16:04] <hashed_> I seem to remember there being a really nice util for slackware that lists the slackbuilds.org repository and builds packages and installs them for you on the fly.  I wish I could remember the name of it :(
[16:04] <hashed_> and no.. not slapt-get heh
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[16:05] <kleanchap> Pig_Pen: Thank you!  That worked.
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[16:05] <TNTslack> What about to make, touchpad working correct? I want, when i touche the screen of touchpad, it made a click.
[16:05] <TNTslack> on laptop
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[16:05] <jescis> well... will I have to backup any other directory or just /etc before upgrading to 13.0?
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[16:06] <Dominian> TNTslack: slackwiki.org
[16:06] <Dominian> You probably have a synaptics touch pad
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[16:06] <TNTslack> yes
[16:06] <TNTslack> is there any changes on xorg.conf?
[16:07] <slackytude> yes
[16:08] <hashed_> ah ha, found it... sbopkg
[16:08] <slackytude> you need to tell it to disable HAL for input and need to give it a input section
[16:08] <alienBOB> TNTslack: check http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/touchpad-doesnt-click-anymore-after-updating-to-current-732251/
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[16:10] <kleanchap> what are the commands to do SL 13 updates?
[16:10] <Dominian> TNTslack: Did you read the slackwiki.org link with the Tutorials ?
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[16:11] <slackytude> kleanchap, from 12.2?
[16:11] <TNTslack> sec, i am on link that alienBOB gave me to.
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[16:11] <TNTslack> will go there too if can't make it up
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[16:12] <Nick_Patterson> kleanchap: Pft. What are the commands to do an upgrade? :P
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[16:21] <kleanchap> Nick_Patterson: What is Pft?
[16:21] <arrostos> alienBOB made it, thanks :) and you Dominian for help.
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[16:21] <slackytude> kleanchap, you want to update from 12.2?
[16:21] <Dominian> arrostos: no problem
[16:21] <Dominian> I don[t remember what I did, but you're welcome
[16:21] <kleanchap> slackytude: It is 13.
[16:22] <kleanchap> It is a brand new install.
[16:22] <slackytude> kleanchap, oh, and you want to update that
[16:22] <slackytude> ?
[16:22] <kleanchap> I want to make sure if there are any libraries that have been updated.
[16:22] <slackytude> I see
[16:22] <arrostos> Dominian for you interesting to help me out :)
[16:22] <kleanchap> slackytude: yes
[16:22] <slackytude> kleanchap, a recommended way it to use slackpkg
[16:23] <kleanchap> ok...Let me try that....
[16:23] <slackytude> kleanchap, you need to uncomment a mirror in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors. then do slackpkg update && slackpkg upgrade-all
[16:23] <slackytude> another way would be to wget or rysnc the /patches dir on any mirror
[16:23] <kleanchap> Got it.  Thank you!
[16:23] <slackytude> np
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[16:24] <surrealgirl> hey
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[16:24] <surrealgirl> linux needs defragment too???
[16:24] <slackytude> y0 surrealgirl
[16:25] <slackytude> all file systems fragment, some worse than others
[16:25] <Necos> heya surrealgirl
[16:25] <Necos> ext2/3/4 hardly needs it in my experience
[16:25] <surrealgirl> hm... i had no idea
[16:25] Action: slackytude never defragmented a ext or reiser
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[16:25] <slackytude> you'll hardly notice it
[16:26] <surrealgirl> [21] Consequently the successor to the ext3 filesystem, ext4, includes a filesystem defragmentation utility and support for extents (contiguous file regions).
[16:26] <slackytude> besides, a in few kernel versions ext4 will probably have on-the-fly defrag
[16:26] <surrealgirl> ya im just reading about it
[16:26] <surrealgirl> talking to Hentai too (staffer in #windows)
[16:26] <surrealgirl> he says linux is just as bad as windows that it needs defragment too
[16:26] <slackytude> the guy is kinda uptight
[16:27] Action: slackytude shrugs
[16:27] <slackytude> he is a oper in #windos, he should know
[16:27] <Necos> lol
[16:27] <Necos> if you have an op in #windows telling you how to admin linux, there's something wrong there :)
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[16:28] <slackytude> last time we talked about it the channel was roughly split 60 / 40 on that subject
[16:28] <surrealgirl> lol Necos no we are discussing linux/windows
[16:28] <slackytude> and few things fragment as bad as FAT or NTFS
[16:28] <Necos> NTFS can get really bad
[16:28] <Necos> i admin both, so...
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[16:29] <antiwire> I took this screen shot http://i33.tinypic.com/w9k31g.jpg
[16:29] <slackytude> lol
[16:30] <Nick_Patterson> hahah That's bad.
[16:30] <antiwire> it was an MS Exchange serever
[16:30] <antiwire> server*
[16:30] <slackytude> ye gods
[16:30] <slackytude> an older version?
[16:30] <hashed_> wow, i have never seen it that bad
[16:30] <slackytude> I heard more recent versions are better
[16:30] <kleanchap> The slackpkg upgrade-all command is updating to 2.6.30 kernel.  Does this upgrade the kernel image too or only downloads the modules and then it is my responsibility to compile the kernel?
[16:30] <antiwire> iirc it was ex2k
[16:31] <antiwire> kleanchap: you have extra and testing enabled in slackpkg
[16:31] <slackytude> kleanchap, update just gets a list, it  upgrade-all will do the upgrading and you will be prompted to select what to update
[16:31] <Necos> i don't even want to think how badly my 2k3 AD server is
[16:31] <slackytude> kleanchap, also, you can blacklist stuff like kernel packages
[16:32] <slackytude> antiwire, I like the tiny blue bit in all the red mess
[16:32] <antiwire> lol
[16:32] <Necos> *is fragmented
[16:32] <surrealgirl> hm
[16:32] <slackytude> antiwire, that exchange still running? it must perfom like a beast
[16:32] <surrealgirl> ok ty now i understand fs better :) i didnt know ext needed defragmenting too
[16:33] <Necos> i'm gonna analyze my 2k3 server... this should be amusing
[16:33] <Dominian> e
[16:33] <Dominian> h
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[16:34] <Nick_Patterson> Do any of you defragment jfs, if you use jfs?
[16:34] <antiwire> slackytude: shortly after that screenshot I announced "the mail server is going down, it is now bagel time. kthksbye"
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[16:34] <BP{k}> kleanchap: also make sure the priority is set up correct: it should be patches %PKGMAIN extra pasture testing.
[16:34] <jescis> I got some errors when trying to install xz-*.tgz
[16:35] <jescis> My syslog file http://pastebin.ca/1571206
[16:35] <Necos> damn, it's pretty bad lol
[16:35] <macavity> surrealgirl: the way btrfs is structured you get "defrag" for free in the normal way the fs works
[16:35] <slackytude> antiwire, lol
[16:35] <macavity> surrealgirl: that is, you can get either maximum or minimum fragmentation
[16:35] <Necos> antiwire :)
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[16:35] <macavity> surrealgirl: you actually *want* fragmentation in case of SSD
[16:36] <jescis> could the error be related? and what do I do to fix it?
[16:36] <Nick_Patterson> Why's that?
[16:36] <BP{k}> jescis: uhm .. those final errors look pretty bad.
[16:36] <Nick_Patterson> macavity: ^^
[16:36] <surrealgirl> Nick_Patterson++ im curious, why is that macavity?
[16:36] <Necos> so it's not rearranging itself all the time
[16:36] <Necos> that'd be my guess
[16:37] <antiwire> well it's technically not fragmentation, better to call it write balancing
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[16:37] <jescis> BP{k}, what does it mean and what can I do about it?
[16:37] <antiwire> for SSD you want write balancing so you don't hit the same area over and over while leaving other areas unused
[16:37] <Necos> there's some sort of optimization in SSD that lowers the amount of writes / channel
[16:37] <antiwire> most SSDs do this on the fly though
[16:38] <macavity> surrealgirl: because SSDs are made up of many memory chips that are accessed in paralell
[16:38] <BP{k}> jescis: if that was my drive .. I would *sure* as hell make sure I have a backup....
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[16:38] <kleanchap> BP{k}: Where do I configure the %PKGMAIN?
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[16:39] <slackytude> surrealgirl, flash celss will go kaput after some writes, so you try to distribute your writes across all avaible cells
[16:39] <macavity> afk
[16:39] <akira42> kaput?
[16:39] <macavity> slackytude++ i forgot about that one
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[16:39] <slackytude> akira42, broken
[16:39] <slackytude> kaput, damaged
[16:39] <jescis> BP{k}, all hda is for is the OS... I save all the important data files on my SATA 1TB Drive ;)
[16:40] <akira42> lol ... was just wondering, in german there is a word, kaputt, but with double t
[16:40] <fire|bird> kaput: adjective, utterly finished, defeated, or destroyed; unable to function. :)
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[16:40] <akira42> it means the same in german
[16:40] <surrealgirl> macavity, i understand, thank you
[16:40] <BP{k}> kleanchap: you shouldn't need to configure that. it usually is defined as the main slackware{,64} dir ie $MIRROR/slackware-$VERSION/slackware <-- or whatever you have set as your mirror in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors
[16:40] <surrealgirl> slackytude++
[16:40] <slackytude> german is kapput
[16:40] <akira42> :P
[16:40] <slackytude> but its a german word that seems to have spread
[16:41] <alienBOB> It is kaputt - one 'p'
[16:41] <slackytude> lol, true
[16:41] <BP{k}> jescis: well that is atleast something :) but seems to me there is some serious problem with the drive .. perhaps even close to immediate failure.
[16:41] <slackytude> man, cant write either german or english
[16:41] <kleanchap> BP{k}: Got it. Thankx.
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[16:41] <jescis> hhmmm :\
[16:41] <alphad64> hi
[16:41] <slackytude> surrealgirl, ^-^
[16:41] <alienBOB> slackyou're not alone ;-)
[16:42] <slackytude> heh, thats good
[16:42] <slackytude> I think
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[16:44] <BP{k}> you hope. ;)
[16:45] <slackytude> depends
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[16:50] <josteint> hi. i would like to set up my lan card as a dhcp server. i have a wlan card which is connected to the internet, and the other lan card i would like to connect to another machine which it will offer a ip. is that much work?
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[16:51] <thumbs> josteint: that's easy enough.
[16:51] <thumbs> josteint: set up dhcpd to listen that interface.
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[16:52] <josteint> thumbs: cool cool. so just use the dhcpd deamon to listen to eth0?
[16:52] <Pa^2> Where are the default Synaptic setting stored (outside of xorg.conf)?
[16:52] <thumbs> josteint: sure.
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[16:52] <slackytude> josteint, take a look at dnsmasq too
[16:52] <slackytude> I likes it
[16:52] <slackytude> simple yet powerful
[16:53] <josteint> thumbs: dhcpd is already running with wlan0. can i just run a new dhcpd and keep the other dhcpd running?
[16:53] <antiwire> dnsmasq is nice for gateway routers and APs
[16:53] <slackytude> you are confuing dhcp and dhcpcd
[16:53] <slackytude> or whatever
[16:53] <slackytude> another reason to use dnsmasq
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[16:54] <antiwire> josteint: dhcpd is the server daemon and dhcpcd is the client you run on a system that allows it to grab a dhcp served IP
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[16:54] <thumbs> josteint: dhcpcd != dhcpd
[16:54] <josteint> ah, sorry i did not see the c character
[16:54] <josteint> i follow
[16:54] <slackytude> antiwire, aye, its a nice little app
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[16:54] <jmonter> hello everyone.
[16:54] <thumbs> josteint: cd == client deamon d == deamon
[16:54] <thumbs> josteint: dhcpd is a dhcp server
[16:55] <josteint> sure, i follow
[16:55] <jmonter> can someone help me figure out why my build script will not insert the description? http://pastebin.ca/1571226
[16:55] <thumbs> jmonter: probably better in #slackbuilds
[16:55] <jmonter> thumbs: thx.
[16:56] <mancha> jmpnter, don't you need 11 lines in the description?
[16:56] <mancha> i count 10 in yours
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[16:57] <antiwire> line 8
[16:57] <antiwire> your names don't match
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[16:58] <alienBOB> jmonter: Eina -> eina
[16:59] <SuN> Did anything significant change in Slackware 13 compared to 12.0 as far as setting X up is concerned, or is it still X -configure or xorgcfg / xorgconfig?
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[17:00] <adamk> SuN, Many times, even that isn't necessaryl.
[17:00] <antiwire> Sometimes it is needed.
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[17:00] <SuN> But is it wise? :)
[17:00] <adamk> If you do need an xorg.conf file 'Xorg -configure' should generate one, though.
[17:00] <antiwire> you can use xorg.conf still or use fdi files.
[17:00] <adamk> SuN, Why not?
[17:01] <antiwire> SuN: Consult the Changes and hints Document
[17:01] <antiwire> there is an example in there
[17:01] <slackytude> SuN, xorg changed a lot and is still changing
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[17:01] <SuN> antiwire: oh ok, will do.
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[17:01] <slackytude> SuN, lots of stuff happening in org and kernel for video stuff and so on
[17:01] <SuN> Hm a simple "startx" did fire up a desktop that seems to be right.
[17:01] <SuN> slackytude: yes, I've read about that so I thought I'd ask.
[17:02] <slackytude> xorg without .conf works pretty well for me
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[17:05] <jmonter> thx all, bye
[17:05] <inman> Pig_Pen:???
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[17:05] <SuN> Ooh nice, even my USB mouse worked without configuration.]
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[17:06] <deco> how much does a cat cost ?
[17:06] <LnxSlck> deco, a run from the neighbours back yard
[17:07] <Nick_Patterson> lol
[17:07] <josteint> not sure how to use dhcpd or dnsmasq. could someone give me a quick tutorial on how to use it with eth0?
[17:08] <akSeya> guys.. i'm trying to compileq bittorrent here but I'm getting this errors: http://pastebin.com/d48dfe6b7 does anyone have an idea?
[17:08] <Nick_Patterson> And maybe a can of spray paint.
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[17:08] <mancha> dns server vs dhcp server
[17:09] <antiwire> I have a facial muscle spasm going on right now
[17:09] <Nick_Patterson> akSeya: A good alternative is Transmission, the build script for which is available.
[17:09] <mancha> i suggest you hit se~or google for some docs, irc is not gonna be enough
[17:09] <slackytude> mancha, dnsmasq does dhcp
[17:09] <LnxSlck> akSeya, ktorrent is good also
[17:09] <mancha> slacky that's right its not just a simple dns server anymore is it
[17:10] <MLanden> antiwire: twitchin' ?
[17:10] <antiwire> MLanden: yeah right on the side of my nose lol
[17:10] <slackytude> mancha, anymore? its been that for ages
[17:10] <antiwire> it's annoying as all hell
[17:10] <alienBOB> akSeya: bittorrent package is in slackware's /extra directory
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[17:11] <Nick_Patterson> Oh, it is? Good to know. :D
[17:12] <Nick_Patterson> alienBOB: Have you played .m2ts files using VLC?
[17:12] <alienBOB> NO idea what those are Nick_Patterson
[17:12] <MLanden> antiwire: dunno what to say..hot compress,perhaps?
[17:12] <Nick_Patterson> alienBOB: Okay. :)
[17:12] <slackytude> whisky!
[17:12] <MLanden> that too...:D
[17:13] <slackytude> man, no work tomorrow
[17:13] <slackytude> I could get used o that idea
[17:13] <mancha> se~or goog says m2ts is a format used by sony for camcorders? (primarily sony)
[17:13] <slackytude> when did I stop being a bum anyway. Ive lost my touch. all this job bussiness aint good for my sleeping schedule
[17:14] <akSeya> alienBOB, will it solve the compilation problem or is it an client sugestion?
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[17:14] <antiwire> whiskey is the answer
[17:14] <Nick_Patterson> mancha: A friend of mine ripped a bluray movie for me; the format of that movie is .m2ts.
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[17:14] <antiwire> Nick_Patterson: your friend sucks ;)
[17:15] <MLanden> Nick_Patterson: what's the size of the file?
[17:15] <slackytude> hush before the RIAA comes and breaks your legs
[17:15] <slackytude> or is it the MPIAA
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[17:15] <antiwire> MPAA in this case
[17:15] <Nick_Patterson> MLanden: It's ~8GB.
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[17:16] <alienBOB> Hmm  too large to send to me as a test file :-)
[17:16] <MLanden> right,antiwire....(X)_*
[17:16] <antiwire> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.m2ts
[17:16] <antiwire> just convert that mess
[17:16] <slackytude> mplayer can play that, afaik
[17:16] <slackytude> if its decrypted
[17:16] <Nick_Patterson> slackytude: mplayer can, indeed.
[17:17] <antiwire> mencoder should be able to recode/transcode it
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[17:17] <slackytude> antiwire, no need for that
[17:18] <Nick_Patterson> antiwire: Probably, but I like the quality the way it is. I wouldn't want to further compress it.
[17:18] <antiwire> I'm just a little ocd about my file types
[17:18] <arrostos> Does any one know, how to config alsa for 5.1 sound on laptop?
[17:18] <Nick_Patterson> antiwire: In what way?
[17:19] Nick change: arrostos -> TNTslack
[17:19] <antiwire> I try to keep all of my MM files in the same formats
[17:19] <josteint> trying dhcpd -q eth0, but nothing happens..
[17:20] <slackytude> TNTslack, alsamixer should have a button for 4channel mode
[17:20] <slackytude> or stuff
[17:20] <quasar> I feel like being violent... who wishes to be stabbed? :)
[17:21] <alienBOB> Nick_Patterson: did *you* play that .m2ts file using VLC?
[17:21] <TNTslack> slackytube, i think i have to change the mic input tou output and the same the line in
[17:21] <TNTslack> or not?
[17:21] <mrselfpwn> slackytube?
[17:21] <alienBOB> josteint: you edited /etc/dhcpd.conf first?
[17:21] <slackytude> TNTslack, on some cards, yes
[17:21] <slackytude> Im a tube!
[17:21] <TNTslack> sorry :)
[17:21] <slackytude> ^-^
[17:22] <josteint> alienBOB: no... it is just empty with some comments
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[17:22] <mrselfpwn> alienBOB: hey, how ya doing today?
[17:22] <alienBOB> josteint: thre's your problem then
[17:22] <Necos> boooooo! no skype for blackberry :(
[17:22] <TNTslack> well, how to change them, any idea?
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[17:23] <Nick_Patterson> alienBOB: No, or I wouldn't have asked. I've played it using Mplayer. I want to try out VLC -- searched Google for VLC and Slackware and your name came up. Just wanted to check with you.
[17:23] <alienBOB> So, why don't you try it then? VLC should be able to play it
[17:23] <josteint> alienBOB: is the dhcp.conf from http://www.vendocomp.com/Howtos/DHCP.php ok?
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[17:24] <TNTslack> and one more thing, my mic onboard witch is placed on the top of monitor, does not work. how to resolve that problem?
[17:24] <Nick_Patterson> alienBOB: I'll probably use your script to build it to try. Thanks for the slackbuild. :)
[17:24] <Nick_Patterson> alienBOB: Just thought you might have tried before.
[17:24] <slackytude> josteint, you could take a look at dnsmasq.conf   its pretty heavily commented
[17:25] <alienBOB> josteint: a lot will have to be edited there
[17:25] <alienBOB> Nick_Patterson: I do not have blueray discs or the hardware to play them
[17:25] <alienBOB> Donations always welcome ;-)
[17:26] <slackytude> you'd need windows then
[17:26] <Nick_Patterson> slackytude: Why?
[17:26] <Necos> lol alienBOB
[17:26] <slackytude> to play blueray
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[17:26] <slackytude> unless its standalone of course
[17:26] <slackytude> at which point you need all that HD ready TV stuff
[17:27] <Nick_Patterson> slackytude: Mplayer doesn't do bluray?
[17:27] <Necos> don't you need to get the VOL ID to play BR discs?
[17:27] <slackytude> Nick_Patterson, linux doesnt
[17:27] <Nick_Patterson> slackytude: Awww.....
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[17:27] <slackytude> Necos, its more complicated than that Im afraid
[17:27] <Necos> AACS is no joke >.>
[17:28] <MLanden> no keys to the castle to slay the dragon....:D
[17:28] <slackytude> might change. the latest stuff was pretty neat solution
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[17:29] <slackytude> by doom9
[17:29] <Necos> yeah, doom9's a pretty cool guy
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[17:29] <Necos> i've run in to him on IRC in the past
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[17:30] <Nick_Patterson> slackytude: Are you sure? Since I AM able to play .m2ts files using Mplayer (and .m2ts files populate Bluray disks).
[17:30] <akSeya> what package provides libnotify? inotify-tools?
[17:30] <slackytude> Nick_Patterson, they are decrypted.
[17:30] <BP{k}> akSeya: uhm .. libnotify? ;)
[17:31] <slackytude> Nick_Patterson, you can use Blueray devices in linux, you cant play encrypted blueray movies
[17:31] <Nick_Patterson> slackytude: Oh, okay.
[17:31] <BP{k}> akSeya: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/libraries/libnotify/
[17:31] <slackytude> a blueray will mount fine and you can write stuff if you have a blueray writer
[17:31] <slackytude> but encryption aint working
[17:32] <akSeya> BP{k}, hum
[17:32] <Pig_Pen> libdvdcss
[17:32] <slackytude> Pig_Pen, nah
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[17:33] <deco> we need a libblueraycss :(
[17:33] <slackytude> http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=119871
[17:34] <mancha> i read this some time ago, but iirc player_key -> volume_key -> joy
[17:34] <mancha> not sure what you mean by "can't play.."
[17:34] <Necos> mancha, unless they revoke the player key
[17:34] <mancha> unless you mean can't play unless you first decrypt...
[17:34] <akSeya> BP{k}, thanks ;)
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[17:35] <mancha> Necos, yes, but they'd have to revoke half the hw out there...i thought those player keys were all over the place
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[17:35] <slackytude> mancha, that was what I meant, but also the stuff that worked till 2008 wont work on newer discs
[17:35] <Nick_Patterson> slackytude: You've obviously done the research. :)
[17:36] <mancha> ok, so by that definition you can't play most commercia dvd on linux either
[17:36] <rogersman1> hey all, im sure an old question, but how does one *permanently* change hostname in slackware? cheers
[17:36] <slackytude> Nick_Patterson, not really, I dont even own a blueray.
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[17:36] <slackytude> rogersman1, edit /etc/HOSTNAME ?
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[17:37] <BP{k}> rogersman1: vi  /etc/HOSTNAME  && /bin/hostname NEWHOSTMAE logout and back in.
[17:37] <Necos> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/BluRayAndHDDVD
[17:37] <Necos> mancha, no, they just need to reissue discs
[17:37] <Nick_Patterson> rogersman1: Don't trust him! That command will NOT work.
[17:38] <Nick_Patterson> :D
[17:38] <mancha> reissue discs?
[17:38] <Necos> issue a recall of discs (that are still in circulation) and issue new ones
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[17:39] <mancha> Necos to render a player key invalid, right?>
[17:39] <Necos> yeah, they've done it in the past too...
[17:39] <mancha> andthen how do you appease the 450,000 xbox owners who suddenly can't watch Kung Fu Panda
[17:39] <Necos> you don't have to, you just reissue discs :P
[17:39] <mancha> missing some logic here
[17:40] <Necos> and those are HDDVD, not BR
[17:40] <Nick_Patterson> Hahaha Kung Fu Panda is wicked!
[17:40] <Necos> mancha, they don't have to add your player keys in the next printing of the discs either
[17:41] <Necos> the way it worked in the past was that they got the decryption keys from WinDVD (I think)
[17:41] <mancha> Necos, i understand that part yet you fail to grok my follow up
[17:41] <Necos> so they revoked those decryption keys, so newer disks didn't work
[17:41] <mancha> let me put it another way..... XYZ reissues Kung Fu Panda and 400,00 owners of player PDQ are f*cked
[17:42] <Necos> yeah, but it doesn't matter to the company if the recall cost is less than the possible sales
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[17:42] <mancha> i don't think this is a good business model unless the player in question is some sw that can issue patches to its registered users
[17:42] <mancha> it'll matter when their market collapses
[17:42] <Necos> it's been done a couple of times... that's what happened with Batman Begins (or maybe Dark Knight)
[17:42] <mancha> software-based player?
[17:43] <Necos> it was a software player, yes (but they removed decryption keys for a couple of hardware based players as well)
[17:43] <mancha> whose keys were revoked
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[17:43] <Necos> like i said, i think they got it from WinDVD
[17:43] <rogersman1> @patterson...what is a preferred method?
[17:44] <pi31415> Necos: that crap just makes me feel justified in avoiding TV
[17:44] <mancha> ok, and that seems fine sinceall windvd has to do is patch their software and deploy toregistered used
[17:44] <Nick_Patterson> rogersman1: I was just kidding earlier.
[17:44] <mancha> *users
[17:44] <Necos> pi31415, obviously this whole DRM thing is going to hell in a handbasket
[17:45] <pi31415> Necos: the faster and fierier the better
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[17:45] <Necos> what's the HD monitor thing they have now? HDCP or something like that?
[17:45] <Necos> that doesn't play content if it's from a unregistered source
[17:45] <mingdao> HDTV?
[17:45] <slackytude> The AACS LA announced on April 16 that it had revoked the decryption keys associated with certain software high-definition DVD players, which will not be able to decrypt AACS encrypted disks mastered after 23 April, without an update of the software.[27][28]
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[17:46] <rogersman1> ok...cheers working now
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[17:46] <Necos> there ya go
[17:46] <mancha> which is what i've said all along
[17:47] <akSeya> Nick_Patterson, just finished compiling Transmission... it has 30MB :S
[17:47] <mancha> i doubted they could do it for hardware players in mass deployment
[17:47] <Necos> but there was an incident with a hardware player, i just can't remember the source
[17:47] <Necos> it was some no-name company
[17:47] <pi31415> kill your television, or we will do it for you
[17:47] <mancha> i am sure a small-fry
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[17:48] <mancha> does their model even work? i am far from an expert but i have the sense that they don't curb illegal copying maybe just makeit a pain for legal owners to choose open source alternatives
[17:48] <Necos> http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/07/1417253
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[17:50] <pi31415> i heard that it is cheaper to manage an ebook library than a paper library, so i can expect to see this DRM crap for books in a couple decades
[17:50] Nick change: eviljame1 -> eviljames
[17:50] <Necos> it's already there
[17:51] <pi31415> most libraries still have paper books, right?
[17:51] <Necos> look at the kindle debacle
[17:51] <Nick_Patterson> pi31415: Lol
[17:51] <slackytude> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BD%2B
[17:51] <eviljames> The kindle thing is really obnoxious.  So, amazon's excuse is that the person they sold the book 1984 on behalf of didn't have the rights to it, therefore amazon couldn't transfer those rights to you, so they removed it from the kindle.
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[17:52] <eviljames> well, WTF.  If a book store bought a physical paper book from a distributor who did not have publication rights to the work, they could not come to your house and take the book away.
[17:52] <deco> eviljames: it's scary that they can just remove stuff  like the without you knowing :(
[17:52] <pi31415> eviljames: and, unlike the kindle, you could sell the book at a garage sale
[17:52] <eviljames> So, either the content is analogous to a physical book, in which case the DRM can (at least to some) be justified
[17:53] <eviljames> or the content is NOT analogous to a physical book, and the DRM is wholly unjustified.  Amazon is just trying to have it both ways.
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[17:53] <mancha> they do have an issue to figure out...they have to try and prevent piracy, i am just not sure they're succeeding.
[17:54] <pi31415> i do like the way that Amazon sells used books and media
[17:54] <eviljames> Well, first sale doctrine as pi31415 mentions does already apply to physical books, and data (ie: software).
[17:54] <Pig_Pen> i prefer my books made out of paper
[17:54] <Necos> except it doesn't apply to the kindle
[17:54] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: me too.
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[17:54] <eviljames> deco: That's what happens when people make the conscious or unconscious decision to trade ownership for access.
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[17:54] <mancha> gun laws might be a good example, those don't keep guns out of the hands of the criminals but it does make it harder for normal citizens to legally buy weapons
[17:55] <Pig_Pen> look in your loca phonebook i bet there is a used book store in your hometown
[17:55] <Pig_Pen> local*
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[17:55] <pi31415> there is a great used book store in my town, and we only have a population of 8000
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[17:55] <eviljames> mancha: It has been very clearly demonstrated in Canada, that registered, licensed firearms are rarely (to the point of statistical insignificance) used in crime.
[17:56] <eviljames> mancha: I need a license to operate a motor vehicle, a device that has a useful purpose other than causing death, but can cause death.
[17:56] <mancha> evil, exactl!
[17:56] <eviljames> mancha: So, shouldn't I need a similar license to operate a device whose only useful purpose is causing death (animal, or human)?
[17:56] <mancha> your point support my argument though
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[17:56] <pi31415> eviljames: no, it can be used to wound, in self defense
[17:57] <eviljames> pi31415: Which is a valid, legal, use of a firearm.
[17:57] <Necos> fuck a gun, get a katana :P
[17:57] <mancha> the criminals aren't going through the licensingprocess to start with, so making oit cumbersome is not affecting crime
[17:57] <pi31415> eviljames: and also something other than causing death
[17:57] <mancha> it is making it a pita for those who legally want to purchase guns
[17:57] <eviljames> pi31415: pedant.
[17:57] <e5oteric> eviljames, you don't need a license to have a motor vehicle parked at your house.
[17:57] <Pig_Pen> if you shoot one deer and gut & skin it, if that meat was priced per pound like beef you would have about 200 dollars worth of meat (give or take a little)
[17:57] <eviljames> e5oteric: You do if you have any intent on using it.
[17:58] <Necos> eviljames, no you don't
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[17:58] <pi31415> eviljames: there is a nontrivial difference between alive and dead
[17:58] <e5oteric> eviljames, no you don't
[17:58] <Necos> if you're driving it "in public", you do... but if you're offroading or driving it on a track, you don't
[17:58] <eviljames> pi31415: The pedantry didn't even address the point of the argument, and is irrelevant.
[17:59] <mancha> so i guess i don't know what the answer is for movie content makers...how do you prevent illegal copying while not hurting your legal users...
[17:59] <eviljames> Necos: This is similar to pi31415's argument, and equally irrelevant.
[17:59] <pi31415> eviljames: you do not need a license to create a live, why do you need a license to protect one?
[17:59] <slackytude> mancha, maybe the goal is just to delay the piracy a few months
[17:59] <pi31415> life
[17:59] <eviljames> mancha: The answer to that is simple: dno't use an outdated business model.
[17:59] <mancha> tough question for them to solve. unfortunately the end result is that it makes it hard for legal owners to play on say linux opensource sw
[17:59] <Necos> eviljames, i understand your point... :P
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[18:00] <Necos> and my point was, there's a difference between public use and private use... which are two very different arenas
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[18:00] <Pig_Pen> what the content owners should do is price their music and movies low enough that piracy is not worth bothering with, 5 dollars for CD music and 10 for a DVD movie
[18:01] <Necos> i am free to buy as many guns as i want. i just can't take them outside, unless i'm hunting
[18:01] <eviljames> Necos: Well, if I privately shoot you in the face on my property it is still criminal barring some exceptions.
[18:01] <esoteric> Necos, true.  You can walk around naked in your house, but try doing it at the supermarket
[18:01] <slackytude> eviljames, can you buy a car without a drivers license in canada?
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[18:02] <eviljames> slackytude: Just like guns: Licensing is operation, Registration is ownership.
[18:02] <eviljames> And yes, you can register a car without a driver's license (afaik), but you cannot operate it.
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[18:02] <MLanden> true,Pig_Pen....'cause if it shite,it'll wind up in the cutout bins sooner or later
[18:02] <esoteric> eviljames, that makes sense.
[18:02] <Necos> eviljames, yep
[18:02] <eviljames> However, afaik, you cannot even register a firearm without an operations license - people have to be able to prove their responsibility with that item.
[18:03] <slackytude> thats pretty shocking. that explains the high rate of car accidents in canada. you should need a license for a device that can as easily as that
[18:03] <Necos> at least, in the US, it isn't that way :P
[18:03] <Quiznos> omg opera's showing again
[18:03] <Quiznos> i wonder why
[18:03] <eviljames> The US has a whole lot of mentally challenged weapons laws.  Selling guns undocumented because it's a "gun show", gimme a break.
[18:03] <eviljames> No wonder it is so easy for criminals to get their hands on guns.
[18:03] <Necos> lol
[18:04] <Quiznos> the point of registeration is NOT to prove ability; it's preparation for confiscation.
[18:04] <Necos> eviljames, actually, in california, we have the mexican mafia to thank for that
[18:04] <eviljames> Or what was the other thing.. a pawn shop in certain states can trade in firearms without documentation.. wtf.
[18:04] <Pig_Pen> M13
[18:04] <eviljames> Necos: Where do you suppose they are getting the weaponry from?
[18:04] <esoteric> eviljames, what's wrong with that?
[18:04] <Necos> sneaking it right across the border...
[18:04] <esoteric> ^ pawn shop thing
[18:04] <slackytude> I should hope their get their stuff from H&K
[18:04] <Pig_Pen> crooken gunshop owners, & theft, too
[18:05] <Pig_Pen> crooked
[18:05] <eviljames> esoteric: imho, a lot.  I don't believe in the 2nd amendment at all, I think it should be repealed in favour of some sane law.
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[18:06] <esoteric> eviljames, and what's the motivation for that?
[18:07] <Necos> different times would be my guess
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[18:07] <Necos> the right to bear arms is a tricky one... then again, free speech is pretty pathetic these days now too
[18:08] <eviljames> esoteric: 10x higher gun death per capita than most developed nations isn't motivation enough?
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[18:08] <Pig_Pen> i believe anyone should have the right to own a gun unless the person has been conviced of a felony
[18:08] <esoteric> eviljames, how about knife deaths in underdeveloped nations?
[18:08] <esoteric> the satistics are staggering
[18:08] <slackytude> it would, if you could demonstrate that the gun laws were the only factor in the relation
[18:08] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: I don't believe gun ownership is a right - it is a privilege to be given only to responsible citizens.
[18:08] <esoteric> get rid of guns and will knives be next?
[18:09] <eviljames> esoteric: that is an absurd argument.
[18:09] <esoteric> no it is not
[18:09] <esoteric> why?
[18:09] <slackytude> who deceides who is responsible
[18:09] <Pig_Pen> same thing, it is a privilege/righ until the person does something to lose that privilege/right
[18:09] <eviljames> slackytude: There can easily be objective criteria for who is and is not responsible enough for ownership.  Pig_Pen already stated one: Not a felon.
[18:09] <esoteric> there are 100's of thousands of knife-related crimes committed in the UK alone each year
[18:10] <mancha> are rights inherent or legislated or both?
[18:10] <Pig_Pen> anyone that has been declaired insane can not own a firearm
[18:10] <eviljames> esoteric: But surely some people stabbed someone else in self defense at least once, so we can't get rid of knives at all.
[18:10] <Necos> anything can be made in to a weapon...
[18:10] <Necos> so you basically outlaw sharp objects :P
[18:10] <mancha> for example, in the u.s. the right to bear arms is explcitely given in the constitution
[18:11] <slackytude> eviljames, you mean, someone who smokes weed?
[18:11] <slackytude> err, doesnt
[18:11] <esoteric> eviljames, I think having a knife in selve defense is more of a deterrent than nothing at all
[18:11] <Pig_Pen> most all murders by firearm is done by people that were not legal owners of said firearm, but since they are being convicted of murder the illegal firearm charge is ignored
[18:11] <slackytude> obviously, someone smokink a joint cant be trusted with a gun
[18:11] <eviljames> esoteric: Look it up, people who carry knives for "self defense" usually end up getting stabbed with them.
[18:12] <esoteric> eviljames, not the issue.  my point was, remove guns and people will find another way to exact violence
[18:12] <esoteric> you're not going to change that
[18:12] <esoteric> human nature
[18:12] <mancha> human violence (and crime) predate the gun
[18:12] <esoteric> perhaps a little of our environment, too
[18:12] <eviljames> esoteric: Ah, well, what we should probably do then is give everyone a cache of small nuclear warheads.  Just in case.
[18:13] <eviljames> I mean, if they don't have nukes, they'll just find some other way to exact violence..
[18:13] <ccfreak2k> If I were to change the MAC address on one of my network interfaces, would the "locally administered" flag be set in the TCP header of subsequent packets?
[18:13] <lowkyalur> the guys at #radeon just told me that slackware has not the 'real' glxinfo ... how come?
[18:13] <thumbs> lowkyalur: bollocks
[18:13] <Necos> ccfreak2k, probably
[18:13] <eviljames> lowkyalur: The guy in #radeon was yankin' your chain.
[18:13] <Necos> lol
[18:14] <Pig_Pen> ccfreak2k: i will say if your router has wifi you should disable remote wifi admin so the only way to access your router is through a PC directly connected with an ethernet cable
[18:14] <esoteric> eviljames, have you ever read Snowcrash?
[18:14] <eviljames> esoteric: No.  Should I?
[18:14] <ccfreak2k> Pig_Pen, err...what does it have to do with locally administered MAC addresses?
[18:15] <thumbs> Pig_Pen: sorry about this morning
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[18:15] <thumbs> Pig_Pen: my cable went wonkers.
[18:15] <esoteric> eviljames, your nuke comment reminded me of a character in that book that has a nuke on his person at all times... no one messes with him.  lol
[18:15] <Pig_Pen> if someone can access your router through wifi to admin to it they can do anything with it
[18:15] <lowkyalur> eviljames: so i bit them, and they started talking serious. they seemed to dislike slackware alot before
[18:15] <slackytude> esoteric, yeah
[18:15] <Pig_Pen> thumbs dont worry about it, i already forgot
[18:15] <slackytude> esoteric, he was reckongnized as a nation ^-^
[18:16] <thumbs> Pig_Pen: it was about quicktime in linux, and using the mplayer to view them.
[18:16] <esoteric> slackytude, lol   that book is pretty cool
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[18:16] <slackytude> esoteric, aye
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[18:16] <thumbs> Pig_Pen: then you gave me a link with flash, which worked, of course.
[18:16] <Pig_Pen> that Apple site would not work for me too, but that other website played, was that other website in flash?
[18:17] <thumbs> Pig_Pen: yes.
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[18:17] <thumbs> Pig_Pen: but I do recall that the mplayer plugin used to work for quicktime content. Perhaps apple added restrictions.
[18:17] <Pig_Pen> Apple probably sniff which player is trying to acess and disables all players that is not an official quicktime player
[18:17] <lowkyalur> why is glxinfo a link to glinfo?
[18:17] <Pig_Pen> yeah, used to work, looks like it wont anymore
[18:17] <lowkyalur> and not glxinfo itself like in 12.2?
[18:17] Action: esoteric going home -- afk for a while
[18:18] <Quiznos> static menus stuck; i need something instantly dynamic for bbox
[18:19] <slackytude> bbox?
[18:19] <Quiznos> black
[18:19] <slackytude> busybo?
[18:19] <slackytude> ah
[18:19] <Quiznos> get a context
[18:19] <Pig_Pen> i know a non-apple website you can test your player on thumbs if that is what you want
[18:19] <Quiznos> heh
[18:19] <slackytude> bah! humbug
[18:19] <ccfreak2k> lowkyalur, the slackbuild suggests that glxinfo (or glinfo, one of those) is depreciated.
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[18:19] <Pig_Pen> http://www.rocketboom.com/video/molly-returns.mov
[18:19] <Quiznos> yea it is that season again; the stores started it
[18:19] <Pig_Pen> its some video blog thing
[18:19] <lowkyalur> ccfreak2k: so what would i use instead?
[18:20] <ccfreak2k> lowkyalur, whatever is installed already.
[18:20] <ccfreak2k> The better question is: why do you care if you have one or the other?
[18:20] <adamk> glxinfo is more informative.
[18:20] <Quiznos> is there anything that makes dynamic blackbox menus?
[18:21] <lowkyalur> ccfreak2k: more informatoin, and many tutorials and stuff rely on having the full glxinfo output
[18:21] <Quiznos> i think i'm on to something with this
[18:21] <ccfreak2k> Like?
[18:21] <adamk> And is still actively maintained as part of Mesa, so it is not deprecated.
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[18:21] <ccfreak2k> Reference: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware_source/x/mesa/mesa.SlackBuild
[18:21] <adamk> Well, for one, glinfo doesn't indicate whether you have direct rendering or not.
[18:21] <ccfreak2k> Specifically:
[18:21] <ccfreak2k> # Install gears and glinfo manually, and make symlinks from the names
[18:21] <ccfreak2k> # of the deprecated similar programs to reduce confusion:
[18:22] <LnxSlck> Pig_Pen, who's that girl?
[18:22] <Pig_Pen> not sure, she sounds british
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[18:22] <adamk> ccfreak2k, No matter what the slackbuild says, glxinfo isn't deprecated :-)
[18:22] <ccfreak2k> It is according to Pat, apparently.
[18:23] <neonflux> adamk: I ran into the direct rendering issue with XBMC
[18:23] <adamk> Well no one is perfect.
[18:23] <Quiznos> why is stuff being dep'd at all
[18:23] <Quiznos> it's not HIS sw
[18:23] <Quiznos> [/stuffy wobbling]
[18:23] <Quiznos> :)
[18:23] <lowkyalur> LOL .... its the WRONG way round. gears and glinfo are deprecated
[18:24] <adamk> I am more inclined to believe that.  According to 'git log' there have been no changes to 'glinfo' in over 5 years.
[18:24] <Quiznos> so what? i call that stable.
[18:24] <ccfreak2k> I don't have a Slackware box handy, so I can't check for myself.
[18:25] <eviljames> Quiznos: not when the underlying arch is chagning.
[18:25] <eviljames> s/chagning/changing/
[18:25] <Quiznos> if it aint broke...
[18:25] <Quiznos> that means it's portable, James
[18:25] <adamk> No one is saying he shouldn't provide glinfo, but removing glxinfo, and linking glinfo to glxinfo is just wrong.
[18:25] <lowkyalur> glxinfo was there in 12.2, properly
[18:26] <Necos> maybe it was a typo :P
[18:27] <ccfreak2k> Well, it made its way into 13.0 apparently.
[18:27] <adamk> Could be.  Is there a place to report bugs, though?  I see a slackware-announce list and a slackware-security, but no slackware-bugs or bugtracker.
[18:27] <ccfreak2k> So I'm guessing not.
[18:27] <slackytude> mail pat
[18:27] <eviljames> adamk: mailto:volkerdi@slackware.com
[18:27] <slackytude> sigh
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[18:28] <slackytude> dont publish email address on public and logged channels
[18:28] <eviljames> Isn't it on slackware.com ?
[18:28] <slackytude> its everywhere
[18:28] <slackytude> thats not the point
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[18:28] <lowkyalur> adamk: are you writing the note to pat?
[18:28] <eviljames> my bad, then.  Won't do that again
[18:28] <adamk> Sure, why not.
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[18:29] <lowkyalur> adamk: super:)
[18:29] <antiwire> stickybunz@slackware.com
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[18:29] <Necos> lol
[18:30] <Necos> yuckybunz
[18:30] <jescis> I have a 64 system... an Apple IIe with 64KB ;)
[18:31] <ccfreak2k> Given the -64 suffix, I would except slackware64 to run on my Nintendo 64.
[18:31] <ccfreak2k> or expect.
[18:31] <slackytude> maybe it does
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[18:32] <Necos> haha
[18:32] <slackytude> whoa
[18:32] <slackytude> Pat wrote books?
[18:32] <Necos> guess so...
[18:32] <slackytude> Volkerding, Patrick, and Reichard, Kevin, Linux System Commands, IDG Books/M&T Books, 2000, ISBN 0-7645-4669-4
[18:32] <jescis> it might... they did use a(at that time) state of the art computer ;)
[18:33] <mancha> hah, interesting. has anyone read that book>?
[18:33] <Necos> hehe
[18:33] <eviljames> slackytude: according to wikipedia, there were 3 before that as well.. all are with Kevin Richard
[18:33] <mancha> sounds likea good title but from 2000 it is prbably a bit dated
[18:34] <ccfreak2k> jescis, with 8MB of RAM if you even have the "expansion pak", I would think only an old version would run.
[18:34] <slackytude> eviljames, gt that from wiki
[18:34] <ccfreak2k> Assuming it actually ran correctly on a MIPS in the first place.
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[18:34] <slackytude> http://www.amazon.de/Linux-System-Commands-Patrick-Volkerding/dp/0764546694
[18:34] <jescis> ccfreak2k, anything is possible ;)
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[18:34] <theblackerbox> humbug, puters kaput and need to set up sound on an old box and far too tired to think for meself... gonna crowd source this one
[18:35] <ccfreak2k> Although, I DO have all the hardware necessary to run Linux on my GameCube.
[18:35] <fatalnix> :(
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[18:35] <theblackerbox> think this box has a minimal instal - I can get into kde, but I can't start the sound service 'cos it don't find the /dev/dsp
[18:35] <fatalnix> seems like all local Linux User Groups near me are inactive
[18:35] <Necos> hmmm, random thought...
[18:35] <jescis> ccfreak2k, awesome, maybe someday you'll have a tuxbox ;)
[18:36] <Necos> anyone else getting a really dark screen once you log out of X?
[18:36] <theblackerbox> heh
[18:36] <deco> Necos: no
[18:36] <fatalnix> yes we all do
[18:36] <fatalnix> its called CLI
[18:36] <fatalnix> :D
[18:36] <theblackerbox> fail
[18:37] <jescis> tuxbox == xbox + mods + Linux
[18:37] <fatalnix> theblackerbox: have you run alsaconf?
[18:37] <theblackerbox> so, how do I /get/ the /dev/dsp?
[18:37] <slackytude> jescis, that works?
[18:37] <theblackerbox> fail
[18:37] <Necos> that wasn't what i was talking about
[18:37] <Necos> i mean, the screen is so dim, you can barely see anything
[18:37] <fatalnix> necos: I'd check your vga cables and headers
[18:38] <Necos> it's not a hardware problem ya dink
[18:38] <fatalnix> I very highly doubt its software
[18:38] <fatalnix> thats not something that should be possible.
[18:38] <Necos> because when i reboot, the problem goes away
[18:38] <theblackerbox> fatalnix, pretty sure I had tried it - but seems to be the best option getting probed as we speak
[18:38] <Necos> nah, i heard someone else getting the same issue
[18:39] <fatalnix> maybe a buggy video card? what do you have?
[18:39] <adamk> Actually, it probably is software.  I've seen the dimness problem after X on various BSD, but never on Linux.  It might be related to DRI/DRM issues.
[18:39] <lowkyalur> Necos: do you do something weird in .xinitrc?
[18:39] <jescis> slackytude, a lot of people have done it >.> But I've never owned an XBox so I don't know first hand >.>
[18:39] <slackytude> jescis, nice
[18:40] <Necos> it was working right up to installing slack13...
[18:40] <jescis> slackytude, and I have another name for it if it doesn't have linux on it... I call it a suxbox ;)
[18:40] <slackytude> heh
[18:40] <adamk> Necos, Try disabling DRI and see if it's still an issue after rebooting, starting X, and stopping X.
[18:40] <fatalnix> necos: are you using the svga framebuffer?
[18:40] <theblackerbox> hmmmmm, device: default can't be opened for playback
[18:41] <theblackerbox> thought I'd given that a shot the other night
[18:41] <Necos> might have to do with the radeon driver being used by X
[18:42] <Necos> instead of radeonhd
[18:42] <theblackerbox> bing0 - install a different soundcard!?
[18:42] <fatalnix> hmm. i think slackware 13's Xorg has DRI enabled by default, not sure how you'd shut it off, Option "DRI" Disable? maybe?
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[18:42] <slackytude> Im just readin a interview with a very young Pat
[18:42] <slackytude> very good read
[18:42] <slackytude> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/2750
[18:42] <Necos> oh fuck... and it's trying to use XAA >.>
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[18:43] <lolwut> how do I remove an old version of perl?
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[18:43] <Necos> removepkg perl?
[18:44] <Necos> gonna drop in my old xorg.conf
[18:44] <Necos> brb
[18:45] <lolwut> lol didnt think it would be in there for some reason...dont know why thanks
[18:45] <theblackerbox> anything else I could try to probe the sound device?
[18:46] <theblackerbox> canny remember what the chipset is
[18:46] <deco> slackytude: link doesn't work
[18:47] <deco> slackytude: nvm didn't copy all of it :P
[18:47] <slackytude> :P
[18:47] <lowkyalur> bye all
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[18:49] <fatalnix> Uh
[18:49] <fatalnix> I wouldnt remove perl
[18:49] <fatalnix> there are many scriots used in your system that are in Perl
[18:50] <fatalnix> I personally cant remember what but they're there.
[18:51] <fatalnix> im going to go upstairs
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[18:52] <theblackerbox> hum.... http://mythbox.co.uk/epia-kernel.htm
[18:52] <theblackerbox> can anyone with more sense parse that for me?
[18:52] <theblackerbox> I NEED oSS disabled?/
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[18:52] <lolwut> fatalnix, i ment python im installing 3.1.1 and didnt want 2.6 anymore
[18:53] Action: theblackerbox is aware that is gentoo ;)
[18:53] <mancha> alsa has oss emulation
[18:53] <Necos> ah, dropped in my old xorg.conf... seemingly better lol
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[18:54] <slackytude> theblackbox, looks like it
[18:54] <Necos> but i did get some MTRR errors... i wonder if i need to setup /dev/shm
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[18:56] <Necos> hrmmm, nope, it's already in fstab
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[18:56] <theblackerbox> errr, what do I run to update modules? just changed the /etc/modprobe.d/sound to the ones spec'ed there
[18:57] <slackytude> depmod
[18:57] Action: theblackerbox is soory for the inconveinent idiocy
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[18:57] <theblackerbox> bah
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[18:59] <theblackerbox> gutted
[18:59] <theblackerbox> damn mini-itx!
[18:59] <tntslack> any one know how to config alsa for 5.1 sound on laptop?
[19:00] <Pig_Pen> thats a global warming documentary
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[19:01] <MLanden> what is,Pig_Pen?
[19:03] <theblackerbox> that used to be my childhood nickname! =(
[19:03] Action: theblackerbox stank
[19:04] <MLanden> a little dust devil,theblackerbox?
[19:04] <theblackerbox> no.... I used to drink drain water
[19:04] <Pig_Pen> MLanden:  theblackerbox is soory for the inconveinent idiocy
[19:04] <theblackerbox> lol
[19:04] <MLanden> Pig_Pen: ah..I see
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[19:05] <theblackerbox> I'm giving up on sound! I don't need it.... it's just a fad anyway
[19:05] <Pig_Pen> yeah, all that music and video will go away soon and you wont have to worry about it anymore
[19:06] <MLanden> go for the thunder...better effects!!..:D
[19:06] <theblackerbox> hehe.... back to good ol' vhs methinks
[19:06] <Pig_Pen> i come from the land down under, can you hear the thunder
[19:07] <theblackerbox> snd on that note
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[19:07] <Pig_Pen> i remember a long long time ago when i first started using Linux somebody on a forum somewhere was wanting to use VHS to back up data like digital tape
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[19:08] <MLanden> using it like a serial cassette...guess it would've been possible...but very unstable
[19:10] <Pig_Pen> i remember those vhs tapes, there was a knob you had to sync the tape speed with the head speed if they were not synced up it would get lines in the video
[19:11] <mancha> "tracking"
[19:11] <Pig_Pen> yeah'
[19:11] <MLanden> like bad pr0n in a cheap hotel..:D
[19:12] <Pig_Pen> on some 19 inch CRT with the screen all yellowed from years of cigarette smoke
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[19:13] <MLanden> as well as from other things......ewww...ll
[19:13] <mancha> and a broken quarter-feed slot next to the bedpost
[19:13] <mancha> j/k
[19:14] <MLanden> ahhh...the dew drop inn on Route 9
[19:14] <mancha> room 213?
[19:15] <MLanden> pass.......lol
[19:15] <mancha> hah
[19:15] <mancha> any bets on when 2.6.31.1 is released to patch the vuln in 2.6.31?
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[19:15] <slackytude> there is a vuln?
[19:16] <slackytude> they creep in anywhere
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[19:18] <bolide> I put a spell on you.
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[19:25] <Quiznos> sundown; friday is complete.
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[19:30] <macavity> "get off my lawn!" :P
[19:30] Action: macavity just watched Gran Turino
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[19:30] <macavity> hands down an A grade movie
[19:31] <mancha> is that the Eastwood flick?
[19:31] <macavity> yes
[19:31] <macavity> and legend has it that it was his final
[19:31] <mancha> I guess i'll have to watch it, missed it in the theaters sadly
[19:32] <jeev> reminds me
[19:32] <jeev> i need to illegally download a movie to watch
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[19:32] <velusip> It's really cheesy with lots of cringy, bad acting... but still totally worth watching.
[19:32] <mancha> he's quite old, not surprising it was his farewell. he must be in his 70s?
[19:32] <macavity> velusip: huh?
[19:33] <macavity> velusip: i found it, quite the contrary, to be some of his best acting
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[19:33] <velusip> Haha, I'm glad I haven't seen anything else with him then.
[19:34] <macavity> velusip: but, naturally, you have to apriciate the kind of cartoonish genre
[19:34] <macavity> you havent seen anything else with clint eastwood?!?
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[19:34] <velusip> Yeah, races battling in America's streets.  Cartoonish.
[19:34] <macavity> are you only 13, or have you been living under a rook all your life?!?
[19:34] <mancha> are you feeling lucky, punk?
[19:34] <velusip> I never really liked tv
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[19:35] <macavity> mancha++
[19:35] <slackytude> clint ftw!
[19:35] <velusip> Besides, the mind numbing effects of the internet are a thousand fold.
[19:36] <macavity> slackytude: yeah, somehow the grumpy-old-man style never grows borring
[19:37] Action: slackytude nods
[19:37] <velusip> http://twitter.com/Shitmydadsays
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[19:38] <MLanden> 4 o'clock,Clyde!! **WHACK**
[19:40] <slackytude> velusip, funny
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[19:40] <slackytude> "The dog don't like you planting stuff there. It's his backyard. If you're the only one who shits in something, you own it. Remember that."
[19:40] <slackytude> wise words
[19:41] <macavity> lol
[19:42] <macavity> velusip: i want to be JUST like that when i get old :-)
[19:42] <MLanden> hear ya,macavity
[19:43] <macavity> MLanden: you say that alot :P
[19:43] <MLanden> yeah,I guess I do
[19:44] <macavity> :-)
[19:44] <macavity> are you irish?
[19:44] <MLanden> no....just switched macros....:D
[19:44] <macavity> >_<
[19:44] <macavity> you didnt.... :P
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[19:47] <Quiznos> cofe's ready
[19:47] <jeev> gimme some
[19:47] <Quiznos> later
[19:47] <Quiznos> it's cooling
[19:47] <jeev> who cools coffee
[19:47] <Quiznos> me
[19:47] <Quiznos> too hot is no fun
[19:47] <macavity> what EVER you do, dont give JEEV coffee, ok? :P
[19:48] <Quiznos> why?
[19:48] <macavity> j/k
[19:48] <Quiznos> o
[19:49] <jeev> hey
[19:49] <jeev> was transformers good, the new one
[19:49] <Quiznos> huh?
[19:49] <Quiznos> duno
[19:49] <Quiznos> i dont do theaters any more
[19:50] <jeev> gotta wait until mid october to download transformers x264
[19:50] <velusip> XD
[19:50] <Quiznos> i think i might watch hulu tonight
[19:50] <Quiznos> find B5
[19:50] <jeev> what's b5
[19:50] <velusip> Sequals!
[19:50] <Quiznos> Babylon 5
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[19:51] <Quiznos> a tv scifi series from 90s
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[19:51] <kitche> I watch Babalyon 5 the otehr day and man I thought it was a great show back in the 90's now I can barely watch it
[19:51] <jeev> was ranbow good
[19:51] <jeev> ranbo
[19:51] <jeev> rambo
[19:51] <Quiznos> nah
[19:52] <Quiznos> kitche why's that?
[19:52] <slackytude> heh, babylon 5
[19:52] <jeev> damn
[19:52] <velusip> As you get smarter (if you get smarter) the past looks weak.
[19:52] <kitche> because it sucks for a show and I was like 10 or so when it was on tv
[19:52] <Quiznos> ah
[19:52] <jeev> im downloading something from usenet at 11500kb/s
[19:52] <Quiznos> kilobits/s?
[19:52] <jeev> i need to get them to upgrade me to a gigabit
[19:52] <jeev> bytes
[19:52] <jeev> ;)
[19:52] <Quiznos> o
[19:52] <jeev> to one of my servers
[19:53] <jeev> oh i have gigabit on my network
[19:53] <jeev> let me try it from there ;)
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[19:54] <Quiznos> kitche B5 was a scifi soap opra with fully developed theme and characters.
[19:54] <velusip> kb (kilobits), yes.  Appropriate for measuring data transmission rates.  Not to be confused with Kib (kilibits) which would be for measuring the same data at rest.
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[19:54] <Quiznos> kitche perhaps it was too complex for you when you watched it?
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[19:59] <Zamboli> so
[19:59] <Zamboli> wpa issues, i have them
[19:59] <Quiznos> give em back
[19:59] <godling> Great! Can you be any more vague?
[19:59] <Quiznos> heh
[19:59] <Zamboli> yes, yes i could
[19:59] <Quiznos> wait no me me me
[20:00] Action: godling picks Quiznos 
[20:00] <Zamboli> wpa_supplicant likes to run for a few hours, then starts giving me riff raff
[20:00] <Zamboli> WPA: Invalid EAPOL-Key MIC when using TPTK - ignoring TPTK
[20:00] <Zamboli> WPA: Invalid EAPOL-Key MIC - dropping packet
[20:00] <Quiznos> i have ~/.Broswser/plugins/Mozilla/*.{bin,xpi}  what are these?
[20:00] <velusip> Typos
[20:00] <slackytude> plugins?
[20:01] <Quiznos> yea but is that path normal?
[20:01] <Quiznos> or can i move them to a syspath?
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[20:01] <godling> if you meant Browser instead of Broswser
[20:01] <Quiznos> they're in my ~user/
[20:01] <Quiznos> the former
[20:01] <velusip> that is a strange path
[20:01] <godling> all my firefox stuff starts with .mozilla
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[20:02] <Quiznos> ok; maybe i was tryin to do someth
[20:02] <Quiznos> Shakira on ABC
[20:02] <Quiznos> mmm
[20:02] <jeev> shakira has given me head before
[20:02] <jeev> she's not good
[20:02] <Quiznos> mute it
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[20:02] <Zamboli> you are full of lies
[20:03] <Quiznos> she definately aint for the children
[20:03] <Quiznos> ALMA awards show
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[20:04] <macavity> Zamboli: my two cent is that you have some broken gear, a buggy driver, or a broken AP
[20:05] <slackytude> or any combination
[20:05] <Quiznos> thereof
[20:05] <Quiznos> we gotta stop completing the other's sentence
[20:05] <Quiznos> or just fkg learn the language
[20:05] <Quiznos> lol
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[20:06] <Zamboli> fantastic
[20:06] <godling> Zamboli: have you Googled the error message?
[20:06] <macavity> Zamboli: EAPOL is not a common home setup, so i guess you are using this at work/school?
[20:06] <godling> yay eapol :/
[20:06] <godling> leap sucks balls
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[20:07] <macavity> lol
[20:08] <macavity> the first hit for the error shows an archlinux forum entry
[20:08] <godling> no, that's the second
[20:08] <godling> the first is an ubuntu forum
[20:08] <godling> :D
[20:08] <macavity> ok, here its the other way
[20:08] <slackytude> its always ubunu
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[20:08] <slackytude> y0 agentc0re
[20:08] <godling> ah, you must be using c-reversed Google
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[20:09] <agentc0re> slackytude: Yo dude!
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[20:09] <macavity> or just that google.dk doesnt always show the exact same content as .com
[20:09] <macavity> ive seen that before
[20:09] <slackytude> yeah
[20:09] <godling> macavity: .dk is censored?
[20:09] <macavity> anyhow, i use wpa_supplicant with a string rather than a hex key
[20:09] <slackytude> godling, just differently sorted
[20:10] <slackytude> godling, for example, danish hits will be on top as opposed to english ones
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[20:10] <macavity> godling: no
[20:10] <godling> so Archlinux is more Danish than Ubuntu
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[20:10] <godling> word
[20:10] <godling> ;P
[20:10] <stanne> Amy samba experts here?
[20:10] <slackytude> its still damn annoying
[20:10] <slackytude> #samba
[20:10] <stanne> What in the config needs to be changed so that samba users can be created other than actual users on the system?  Or, is that not possible?
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[20:11] <slackytude> stanne, samba can store in any number of ways
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[20:11] <slackytude> stanne, also, default is not system user
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[20:11] <stanne> smbpasswd -a susan returns error:  "Cannot locate Unix account for 'susan'!"
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[20:13] <stanne> slackytude: So how do I create a samba user?
[20:13] <macavity> Zamboli: can you paste your wpa_supplicant.conf with the password removed?
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[20:14] <bolide> Note that the default passdb backends require the user to already exist in the
[20:14] <bolide>            system password file (usually /etc/passwd), else the request to add the user will fail.
[20:14] <bolide> from the man page
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[20:14] <inman> any idea why firefox 3.0.4 is out for 12.2 and 3.5 for 13?
[20:14] <godling> stanne: What version of Samba are you using?
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[20:14] <macavity> oh great ObiWan
[20:14] <slackytude> bolide, good question. I can do a smbpasswd -a foo as root
[20:15] <bolide> I can't, I get teh same error stanne gets
[20:16] <macavity> slackytude: what? afaik there is vertially no way around the samba policy of smb-users-must-be-unix-users-too
[20:16] <macavity> *virtually
[20:16] <Zamboli> don't like obiwan?
[20:17] <macavity> Zamboli: please pastebin your wpa_supplicant.conf with the password removed
[20:17] <stanne> samba-3.2.13
[20:17] <RipVanWinkle> isnt a Zamboli a thing they use to clean ice skating rings with
[20:17] <godling> stanne: http://us3.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/
[20:18] <godling> stanne: that's the official how-to for 3.2.x
[20:18] <macavity> inman: because slackware 12.2 gets sercurity updates and show-stopper-fixes.. but not regular incremental updates
[20:18] <stanne> I suppose I can create user accounts for the users... I don't necessarily have to have a home directory for them.
[20:18] <chopp> RipVanWinkle: no that's a zamboni
[20:18] <godling> no, you don't even have to have a shell
[20:18] <stanne> godling: Thx
[20:18] <RipVanWinkle> ah, ok,
[20:19] <macavity> chopp: PM?
[20:19] <godling> named after the creator
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[20:19] <godling> macavity: kinky!
[20:19] <macavity> ...
[20:19] <godling> chopp and macavity sitting in a tree
[20:19] <chopp> macavity: sure
[20:19] <godling> l a r p i n g
[20:19] <godling> *shrug*
[20:19] <Zamboli> macavity, http://pastebin.com/m2bb3d575
[20:20] <macavity> Zamboli: is that ***** in hex, or "*****" in plain?
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[20:21] <slackytude> macavity, not true. you dont need that for ldap backends
[20:21] <slackytude> it would kinda defeat the point
[20:21] <macavity> slackytude: in that case they are just regular unix users on the ldap server iirc
[20:22] <macavity> but i could very well be talking out of my ass here :P
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[20:22] Action: macavity has been known to do that from time to time
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[20:23] <godling> macavity: unfortunately we cannot hear the lower tone of voice in IRC
[20:23] <macavity> :P
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[20:26] <godling> MLanden: So long, welcome back!
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[20:26] <MLanden> eh,godling? ermm,thanks
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[20:27] <mfillpot> hello everyone
[20:27] <MLanden> y0 mfillpot
[20:27] <mfillpot> it seems like a quiet night
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[20:28] <godling> Give it time.
[20:28] <bolide> seems about right for a friday evening, to me
[20:28] <mfillpot> I will add some discussion in a while if I can't figure out what is wrong with the nvidia drivers
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[20:29] <godling> I have an idea.
[20:29] <godling> It rhymes with menvidia
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[20:29] <mfillpot> godling: I know, but I was too lazy to configure the extras in xorg.conf
[20:29] <macavity> bolide: it's funny how ##slackware seems to contradict just that.. it is usually densly populated when every non-geek on earth is either partying or being on vacation :P
[20:29] <mfillpot> so I guess the problem is pebkac
[20:30] <RipVanWinkle> you know the nvidiafb kernel framebuffer driver conflicts with the nvidia x driver?
[20:31] <godling> I would imagine it might, RipVanWinkle.
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[20:31] <godling> but only if they're both loaded at the same time. :)
[20:31] <mfillpot> RipVanWinkle: that would explain some if it, I was hoping to remove the nvidia driver tonight and attempt a manual configuration
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[20:31] <godling> wait, are you trying to use both at the same time mfillpot?
[20:32] <slackytude> macavity, actually I think I was talking out of my ass. just noticed I now have a unix user foo.
[20:32] <mfillpot> I don't know , I just ran the installer, most likely the x driver is on also
[20:32] Nick change: dimm0k_ -> dimm0k
[20:32] <godling> "most likely"
[20:32] <RipVanWinkle> if you are using a stock kernel blacklist nvidiafb and use the generic vesa for the console
[20:32] <RipVanWinkle> then the nvidia driver will install
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[20:34] <stanne> My samba user password is being rejected.  How do I find out why?
[20:34] <mfillpot> RipVanWinkle:  nvidiafb is already in the blacklist file
[20:34] <RipVanWinkle> mfillpot: you have to install the nvidia driver from the console, you cant do it while X is running
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[20:35] <mfillpot> RipVanWinkle: I know I always install from init 3
[20:36] <mfillpot> RipVanWinkle: but since nvidiafb is blacklisted and it is safe to say that it was also disabled last night when I reinstalled the nvidia drivers, then that can't be the problem
[20:36] <RipVanWinkle> sounds like you have all bases covered, hmm i wonder why it wont install?
[20:36] <RipVanWinkle> it installed?
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[20:36] <mfillpot> RipVanWinkle: It did ibstall, my issue was when I was playing with the compiz settings in kde, it won't run composite
[20:37] <RipVanWinkle> ah, ok
[20:37] <RipVanWinkle> but the nvidia driver works good?
[20:37] <godling> 17:29 < mfillpot> so I guess the problem is pebkac
[20:37] <mfillpot> the only problem is with getting the pretty crap to work, I usually can care less about the pretty crap, but knowing that something is not functioning right is irritating me
[20:37] <godling> :)
[20:38] <godling> I'm sure he'll figure it out, RipVanWinkle
[20:38] <mfillpot> I'm definately not new at this, I was thinking of eliminating the proprietary drivers and seeing if I can cofnigure x correctly to get the 3d acceleration
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[20:39] <mfillpot> sorry for the mispelling
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[20:39] <mfillpot> the question is how can I safely remove the nvidia driver since it is not package based?
[20:41] <macavity> how do i get a userlist on the channel i am in in irssi?
[20:41] <RipVanWinkle> NVIDIA-blah.run --uninstall
[20:41] <chopp> macavity: /n
[20:41] <mfillpot> ok, I;m out for now, brb
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[20:41] <macavity> chopp: dooh :P
[20:41] <chopp> lol
[20:42] <NetrixTardis> mfillpot: 'nvidia-installer --uninstall
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[20:43] <jeev> ETA 0h 2m 11s at 57241KB/s
[20:43] <jeev> holy
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[20:46] <stanne> What's a command to show a file without comments?
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[20:48] <bhodgins> Hey
[20:48] Nick change: bhodgins -> fatalnix
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[20:50] <jeev> INFO: Transferred 6990.3MB in 6m 41s at 17821.6KB/s (...)
[20:50] <jeev> bah
[20:50] <jeev> not fast enough
[20:50] <slackytude> stanne, could use sed for some
[20:50] <slackytude> like sed s/^#//g FILE
[20:51] <slackytude> or grep
[20:51] <jeev> he didn't say what code comments
[20:51] <jeev> what if it's php? :)
[20:51] <slackytude> then he is screwed ^-^
[20:55] <Rat409> macavity:  try "/names"
[20:55] <macavity> Rat409: /n did the trick for me
[20:55] <Rat409> cool
[20:55] <fire|bird> hey Rat409
[20:56] <Rat409> hey fire|bird
[20:56] <slackytude> y0 fire|bird
[20:56] <macavity> fire|bird: your feathers smell... like.. burned :P
[20:56] <godling> macavity: /n is an alias for /names
[20:56] <fire|bird> Rat409: got pekwm on the lappy. :)
[20:56] <fire|bird> macavity: don't ask...... :P
[20:56] <fire|bird> y0 slackytude
[20:56] <Rat409> godling: indeed :)
[20:56] <macavity> fire|bird: was it THAT good
[20:56] <macavity> ?
[20:56] <fire|bird> hahaha
[20:57] <MLanden> y0 fire|bird
[20:57] <godling> I assume when you type it in a channel then the current channel name is assumed
[20:57] <Rat409> fire|bird: sweet i just did a git-pull
[20:57] <fire|bird> y0 MLanden
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[20:57] <fire|bird> macavity: after the initial burn.....um........ :P
[20:57] <fire|bird> Rat409: cool
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[20:59] <mfillpot> ok the nvidia drivers have been removed and nvidiafb in running, can someone guide me to the xorg.conf modifications necessary to enable the extras including composite?
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[21:00] <slackytude> fire|bird, there was a good article about new opera mini
[21:00] <slackytude> apparently, it rocks
[21:00] <macavity> mfillpot: i want aware that you could get nvidia cards to do composite without the proprietary blob?!?
[21:00] <fire|bird> slackytude: yeah, I had been seeing that too. Has speed dial and all now.
[21:00] <slackytude> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/reviews/2009/09/opera-mini-5-beta-is-a-big-step-forward-for-little-browsing.ars
[21:00] <slackytude> aye
[21:01] <Rat409> mfillpot: i thought the nv drivers just offered fb,not 3d ?
[21:01] <fire|bird> slackytude: It's great to hear that it's advanced so much
[21:01] <slackytude> yeah
[21:01] <fire|bird> Rat409: If I'd have thought, I'd have done a git pull on the lappy of pekwm, I'm really liking that one over flux and others.
[21:01] <jeev> LOL
[21:02] <jeev> these commercials, they just toss out vitamins, probiotics and everything else
[21:02] <jeev> and they rake in the monies
[21:02] <mfillpot> I don't know what is offered without the proprietary drivers, how could I enable all that is possible without using the official drivers?
[21:02] <macavity> fire|bird: well.. at least you got a new yardstick for how hot you feel your partner is :P
[21:02] <fire|bird> hahahaha
[21:02] <Rat409> fire|bird: i tend to do pekwm every couple weeks,openbox occassionally. course peks my fav
[21:03] <fire|bird> Rat409: Has much changed from the latest stable to what git has?
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[21:03] <Rat409> not much couple minor fixes
[21:03] <fire|bird> macavity: Get go-oo beat into submission yet?
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[21:03] <macavity> nope.. i actually havent had time to look into it
[21:03] <macavity> the domestic chores and all
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[21:05] <Rat409> coffee biab
[21:05] <Reticenti> holy sweet mother of jesus
[21:05] <Reticenti> i jsut upgraded from 256mb to 1gb ram
[21:05] <Reticenti> and hoooooooly shit is this system over 9000x better
[21:06] <Reticenti> xfce actually started faster than 1minn
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[21:06] <macavity> congrats.. and welcome to the third millenium :P
[21:06] <Reticenti> haha
[21:06] <Reticenti> \basically
[21:07] <Reticenti> i did have 1gb, but then the bios went bad and destroyed the ram
[21:07] <Reticenti> and the only other one i had was a 256 stick
[21:07] <MLanden> always good to have a backup...:P
[21:08] <Reticenti> yeah
[21:08] <macavity> Reticenti: "the bios went bad" == "i overclocked the hell out of it"? ;-)
[21:09] <Reticenti> macavity: bios went bad = it was my teenage sisters computer with XP
[21:09] <Reticenti> weakest link in a network = teenage girls
[21:09] <Reticenti> she probably downloaded something
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[21:09] <macavity> that sounds very unlikely
[21:09] <macavity> imho
[21:09] <Reticenti> then my parents bought her a new compy, and i got the broken one, and i just had to reset the bios
[21:09] <Reticenti> well, tbh, i dont know what happened
[21:10] <Reticenti> she lives 8 hours away from me, so..
[21:10] <macavity> so, "my sister hosed it, and my parents blame me because i am the computer geek"?
[21:10] <Reticenti> macavity: i wasnt living at home at the time
[21:10] <macavity> i'm just kidding :P
[21:10] <Reticenti> i even told them over the phone what was wrong, and they bought her a new one lol
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[21:10] <Reticenti> :P
[21:11] <MLanden> twitter+yahoo messenger+msn messenger+myspace+windows media....it's a possibility
[21:11] <macavity> anyhow, what chipset/graphics is in that box?
[21:11] <Reticenti> amd 3200 (939 slot) nvidia integrated something
[21:11] <macavity> MLanden: no.. that is an abomination
[21:11] <Quiznos> 2110h do you know where your coffee carafe is?
[21:12] <macavity> Reticenti: theoretically you can get KDE with extra candy and a blowjob on top now
[21:12] <MLanden> true,macavity and what I listed is for light users
[21:12] <macavity> O_O
[21:12] <Reticenti> macavity: i like xfce :)
[21:13] <fire|bird> macavity: kde's been running kind of crappy lately for me, so I've been using xfce. :P
[21:13] <macavity> MLanden: then what, besides make -j $BIGNUM, do you consider heavy use?!?
[21:13] <Quiznos> macavity you're luky, my mommy wont let me NEAR her desktop. think's i'll crack it -- bahaha
[21:13] <Reticenti> Quiznos: you'll hack it, since you use linux, you're now a hacker now, right?
[21:13] <Quiznos> yes
[21:13] <macavity> fire|bird: just suck it up like a man and do a bug report and work with them to resolve it :P
[21:13] <Quiznos> always have bin white hat
[21:13] <MLanden> MS Office opened on that...:P
[21:14] <macavity> right
[21:14] <macavity> i forgot about that one
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[21:14] <macavity> Quiznos: then why havent you told her that you dont need to physically touch the machine to crack it wide open?
[21:14] <Quiznos> lol she'll ban me from her home office
[21:14] <Quiznos> or her home
[21:14] <Quiznos> lol
[21:14] <macavity> Quiznos: "mom, if i wanted to, i would own the box by now" :P
[21:14] <fire|bird> macavity: hahaha, any ideas what it might be? When I said crappy, I mean just slower, 4.3.0 and 4.2.4, I had been thinking it was something outside kde, but I don't know what.
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[21:15] <macavity> fire|bird: slower?
[21:15] <Quiznos> well i want to be able to setup my own remote at her place when i go off to skrool; so i dont want to sqeer her
[21:15] <macavity> fire|bird: like.. you only do suspend2ram and never a clean reboot?
[21:15] <fire|bird> macavity: yeah, just not as responsive as it used to be. Even with the effects off it is slower.
[21:15] <fire|bird> I clean reboot all the time and never do suspend2ram
[21:15] <Quiznos> s/go/off/go back to/
[21:16] <macavity> fire|bird: your box is pwned :P
[21:16] <fire|bird> macavity: Just what I want to hear. :P
[21:16] <macavity> fire|bird: i would start observing top for a while.. and look for something like iotop
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[21:17] <Quiznos> macavity she runs m#, why would i want to pwn hers?
[21:17] <Quiznos> ew
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[21:18] <mfillpot> fire|bird: have you checked lsof or ps -A to see what is running and open on your box?
[21:18] <macavity> you dont want to.. but you want to get her to drop the illusion of security by not letting her own family touch a computer
[21:19] <macavity> that is about the *least* tight security plan i have ever heard of :P
[21:19] <fire|bird> macavity: ok, will do.
[21:19] <Quiznos> macavity well, she's a user; in her own secure lil world and content.  and i need her to say yes when i ask to put my box on her line.
[21:19] <fire|bird> mfillpot: No, but I can check that out.
[21:19] <macavity> fire|bird: have you told strigi/nepumuk to shut up?
[21:19] <macavity> *nepomuk
[21:20] <fire|bird> macavity: heck yeah, that's the first thing I dod
[21:20] <fire|bird> did*
[21:20] <fire|bird> good grief there's a lot from lsof
[21:20] <macavity> oh yes
[21:20] <Quiznos> lol
[21:20] <mfillpot> lol
[21:20] <macavity> anyhow, i shall be hitting the szck now
[21:20] <Quiznos> gn
[21:20] <macavity> *sack
[21:20] <fire|bird> night macavity
[21:20] <macavity> so, take care, and dont eat yellow snow
[21:20] <Quiznos> yea
[21:21] <Quiznos> or the brown fuzz
[21:21] <fire|bird> macavity: oh crap, now ya tell me. :/
[21:21] <fire|bird> :P
[21:21] <macavity> teehee :P
[21:21] <MLanden> oh my god.....fire|bird,you're not SMILING?!?
[21:21] <fire|bird> hahaha
[21:22] <mfillpot> fire|bird: jsut fix your problem and do your research, you don't want an exploited slackbox to ruin our reputation
[21:22] <macavity> gn
[21:22] <mfillpot> night macavity
[21:22] <Quiznos> gn
[21:22] <fire|bird> night macavity
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[21:22] <MLanden> night,macavity
[21:22] <fire|bird> mfillpot: lol
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[21:23] <fire|bird> 4,214 lines from lsof
[21:24] <Quiznos> wow and wth
[21:24] <fire|bird> that's a friggen lot of crap
[21:24] <fire|bird> :P
[21:24] <Quiznos> at least
[21:24] <mfillpot> fire|bird: lsof|cut -d " " -f 1|sort -u
[21:24] <mfillpot> brb
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[21:26] <Reticenti> thats a cool command milfpot
[21:27] <fire|bird> Well, that narrowed it down to 103 lines
[21:27] <Reticenti> what are you trying to find?
[21:27] <mfillpot> Reticenti: that lists all processes that have open files, what apps do you not recognize from the list?
[21:28] <fire|bird> http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/D2BZRL92.html
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[21:28] <mfillpot> the second part of the last statement was for fire|bird
[21:28] <Reticenti> mfillpot: yeah, i saw that, so you
[21:28] <Reticenti> 're just trying to find stuff you dont know?
[21:28] <Reticenti> for security?
[21:28] <mfillpot> Reticenti: his system is horribly slow and he wants to figure out why
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[21:29] <Reticenti> ah, ok
[21:29] <mfillpot> security is a good place to start looking
[21:29] <fire|bird> Hmm, I thought I had ssh disabled (at least rc.ssh -x) but ssh-client is running.
[21:29] <fire|bird> err, ssh-agent
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[21:29] <mfillpot> fire|bird: are you running sh and zsh?
[21:30] <fire|bird> mfillpot: Well, zsh is the shell I use, sh I shouldn't be, what would I be doing that would run sh?
[21:30] <fire|bird> besides like a sh script_here or something (which I'm not doing)
[21:30] <mfillpot> fire|bird: it is on the list. that would prompt me to run w
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[21:30] <fire|bird> Should ssh-agent be running when rc.sshd is -x?
[21:30] <Reticenti> fire|bird: have you check ps aux for cpu usage?
[21:31] <mfillpot> this is nice, a good beak and some rammstein really helps me think
[21:31] <Reticenti> because when i start rtorrent and it's doing all it's hash checking, my system slows down pretty badly
[21:32] <mfillpot> s/beak/beer/
[21:32] <Reticenti> lol
[21:32] <LnxSlck> can i submit a recent pidgin package and it will be incorporated into current? or it must pass through the lens of pat?
[21:32] <fire|bird> mfillpot: Is this normal, root      2590  0.0  0.0   1796   512 tty6     Ss+  11:23   0:00 /sbin/agetty 38400 tty6 linux
[21:33] <MLanden> LnxSlck: 2.6.3?
[21:33] <LnxSlck> MLanden, yes
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[21:33] <Reticenti> fire|bird: i get a lot of those tty tings too for some reason
[21:33] <Reticenti> tings*
[21:33] <Reticenti> things**
[21:33] <Reticenti> :|
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[21:34] <mfillpot> LnxSlck: I would say to submit the modified build script to pat by email so he can review the change
[21:34] <LnxSlck> mfillpot, just the script ?
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[21:34] <fire|bird> mfillpot: sorry, but what did you mean by "that would prompt me to run w" What's w? an option to lsof or what? :P
[21:34] <mfillpot> LnxSlck: and any new files (slackbuid package) that goes with it, all but the source tarbal
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[21:34] <Pig_Pen> http://pastebin.com/m53697742
[21:35] <LnxSlck> mfillpot, i'll do that
[21:35] <mfillpot> fire|bird: w shows who is logged into your system and what tty they are on, the agetty login concerns me
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[21:35] <fire|bird> Pig_Pen: hahahahah
[21:36] <MLanden> lol,Pig_Pen....'specially if the operation last for more than 4 hours...:D
[21:36] <fire|bird> mfillpot: ok, w just shows me
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[21:37] <fire|bird> mfillpot: http://pastebin.com/m4d00075b
[21:37] <fire|bird> MLanden: 4 hours, by that time, the guy should be getting to a doctor if he still has, you know, something to hang on to. :P
[21:37] <mfillpot> fire|bird: that is good, only you are logged onto your system
[21:38] <fire|bird> mfillpot: phew, thankfully. :P
[21:38] <MLanden> true,fire|bird
[21:38] <LnxSlck> mfillpot, do you happen to know wich email to use to send the scripts to pat?
[21:38] <fire|bird> LnxSlck: There's just one afaik
[21:39] <LnxSlck> fire|bird, and it is....
[21:39] <fire|bird> LnxSlck: Oh, sorry. :P volerdi [AT] slackware [DOT] com
[21:39] <fire|bird> err. volkerdi
[21:39] <LnxSlck> thanks
[21:39] <fire|bird> yw
[21:39] <LnxSlck> i guess he gets like tons of emails everyday
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[21:40] <fire|bird> haha, probably
[21:40] <LnxSlck> not sure if he will se mine
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[21:40] <Reticenti> http://pastebin.com/df37d9ca am i the only one logged into my system ?
[21:40] <mfillpot> LnxSlck: you would be surprised by his response time
[21:40] <fire|bird> greetings mancha
[21:40] <mancha> re
[21:40] <Reticenti> hi mancha
[21:40] <LnxSlck> mfillpot, i hope so
[21:40] <mfillpot> Reticenti: lol
[21:40] <thrice`> -current is probably dead for awhile
[21:41] <fire|bird> hey thrice`
[21:41] <Reticenti> mfillpot: ?
[21:41] <thrice`> hi :)
[21:41] <siimo> why do ati GUI perform really bad on linux compared to nvidia
[21:41] <fire|bird> Reticenti: WHOA, you've been pwned, GET OFF NOW.....j/k
[21:41] <mfillpot> Reticenti: yes you are the only one, I see the startx command and subterminals all branching off of it, you are clean
[21:42] <Reticenti> ah
[21:42] <fire|bird> mfillpot: Well, his pc is anyway. :P
[21:42] <Reticenti> (bw i changed my name to use :tinfoil:)
[21:42] <Reticenti> s/bw/btw
[21:42] <Reticenti> i should have replaced it with root to make you freak out
[21:42] <Quiznos> w == "who's logged in here"
[21:43] <Reticenti> Quiznos: yup, i actually read the manpage
[21:43] <mfillpot> Reticenti: are you using init 3?
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[21:43] <Quiznos> mfillpot see etc/login.*
[21:43] <Reticenti> mfillpot: what's init3?
[21:43] <fire|bird> Reticenti: Do you boot to a console login?
[21:43] <Rat409> Reticenti: if you want some tools chkrootkit,rkhunter are probly in sbo
[21:43] <Quiznos> Reticenti most dont
[21:43] <Reticenti> fire|bird: yeah, i boot to console
[21:44] <fire|bird> Reticenti: that's init 3, or rl3 :)
[21:44] <Reticenti> fire|bird: ah, ok
[21:44] <mfillpot> lol
[21:44] <Reticenti> Rat409: what do you mean by tools? why would i need those?
[21:44] <fire|bird> Reticenti: they check for rootkits, hence chkROOTkit and RKhunter
[21:45] <Reticenti> oh
[21:45] <Rat409> they're just tools to check for rootkits if the need ever arises
[21:45] <Reticenti> are they included?
[21:45] <mfillpot> fire|bird: take you own advise
[21:46] <Reticenti> to change lilo's default boot time, i edit /etc/lilo.conf, right?
[21:46] <Rat409> rkhunter can also warn about unsafe config settings,mainly sshd
[21:46] <Reticenti> Rat409:  ah, i'll look into that then
[21:46] <fire|bird> mfillpot: sir, yes sir ;)
[21:46] <fire|bird> Reticenti: They are both on SBo
[21:46] <mfillpot> fire|bird: why would gnome-pty and all of the kde apps be running at the same time?
[21:47] <fire|bird> mfillpot: That's what I was wondering
[21:47] <Rat409> pidgin
[21:47] <Rat409> lol
[21:47] <fire|bird> Rat409: pidgin is causing that? :P
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[21:48] <Rat409> probly the gnome-pty. nah,just a wild guess
[21:48] <fire|bird> mfillpot: I don't have any kde apps open and I don't have gnome itself installed, but some gnome things which are deps for various things.
[21:48] Action: fire|bird shutters at the word gnome. :P
[21:48] <mfillpot> fire|bird: repost the output of the long lsof command for Rat409  to take a peek
[21:48] <Reticenti> to change lilo's default boot time, i edit /etc/lilo.conf, right?
[21:48] <fire|bird> Reticenti: what do you mean by boot time? The time lilo sits there?
[21:48] <mfillpot> fire|bird: i was lazy the k entries are from the kernel
[21:48] <MLanden> fire|bird: you have xfce installed,right?
[21:48] <fire|bird> MLanden: yup
[21:48] <Reticenti> fire|bird: yeah, how long it sits there
[21:49] <fire|bird> MLanden: That's what I'm on right now.
[21:49] <fire|bird> Reticenti: then yes
[21:49] <fire|bird> mfillpot: lol
[21:49] <Reticenti> fire|bird: hmm, then i must be doing something weird, because it's not doing anything
[21:49] <mancha> has secunia been pwnd?
[21:49] <fire|bird> Reticenti: Did you run lilo afterwards?
[21:49] <Quiznos> has anyone made dynamic menus using blackbox?
[21:50] <Reticenti> fire|bird: i restarted, if thats what you mean
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[21:50] <fire|bird> Reticenti: You have to run lilo as root after you edit lilo.conf
[21:50] <fire|bird> So, make your change again, run lilo, THEN restart.
[21:50] <agentc0re1> The lottery balls are not unclogging my interwebs.
[21:50] <Rat409> dotfiles.org must be pwned,been down for weeks
[21:50] <mfillpot> fire|bird: the losf output actually looks pretty clean, how do the "df -h" and "free -m" output look?
[21:50] <Reticenti> fire|bird: oh, i see
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[21:51] <fire|bird> mfillpot: df -h http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/sOdm1F21.html
[21:52] <fire|bird> mfillpot: and free -am http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/ksSh6c65.html
[21:52] <mfillpot> fire|bird: df -h looks good, you have enough space
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[21:52] <fire|bird> I post because it looks good to me, but I don't mind another opinion too. :P
[21:52] <diven> my panel keeps locking up tonight
[21:53] <fire|bird> agentc0re1: You put lottery bals into the interwebs?
[21:53] <fire|bird> s/bals/balls/
[21:53] <Quiznos> radio; i think i'm turning japanese; i really think so
[21:54] <agentc0re1> fire|bird: no through my tubes that connect the interwebs to clear them.
[21:54] <agentc0re1> duh!
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[21:54] Action: agentc0re1 gasp!
[21:54] <fire|bird> agentc0re1: :P
[21:54] Nick change: agentc0re1 -> agentc0re
[21:54] <mfillpot> fire|bird: only 93Mb of free RAM?
[21:54] <MLanden> Quiznos: The Vapors...cool song
[21:54] <fire|bird> mfillpot: Yup, I have 1G, that seems odd
[21:55] <Reticenti> Rat409: running rkhunter now :) 9i did update first)
[21:55] <Pavlz> hello ninux.org registered a new ML for the italian ninuxday  ninuxday@ml.ninux.org
[21:55] <agentc0re> mfillpot: when i see your name i always keep reading it, "milfpot"
[21:55] <Reticenti> s/9/(
[21:55] <mfillpot> agentc0re: you and Quiznos both
[21:55] <Quiznos> MLanden major flashback here
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[21:55] <Rat409> Rthen try rkhunter -c --skip-keypress
[21:56] <mfillpot> fire|bird: with you running xfce I am wondering how so much RAM can be in use?
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[21:56] <MLanden> Quiznos: It's not a mullet flashback,is it?
[21:56] <Quiznos> i cant take credit for milfpot; it was someone else's
[21:56] <Rat409> whoops mean Reticenti
[21:56] <Quiznos> MLanden no; (definately need to imagine grimaced face on that "no")
[21:56] <fire|bird> mfillpot: Same here. I'm just running chkrootkit now, I will check again when that's done. I closed FF so I'll see what a diff that makes.
[21:56] <Quiznos> ew
[21:56] <Quiznos> ST:TNG in 3m
[21:57] <agentc0re> so the FBI verified my fax and sent me this link, https://jobs1.quickhire.com/scripts/fbi.exe  ....wtf?
[21:57] <MLanden> lol.....Get out of my Van Halen shirt before you jinx them and they break up
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[21:57] <agentc0re> thanks FBI.
[21:57] <Quiznos> MLanden and yet, he keeps the nick
[21:57] <fire|bird> agentc0re: hahaha, you downloaded and installed, right? :P
[21:58] <agentc0re> fire|bird: ummmm sure.....
[21:58] <agentc0re> lol
[21:58] <Quiznos> damn it's still hot outside at 10p,
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[21:58] <fire|bird> agentc0re: You install that and you might as well kiss that box goodbye. :P
[21:58] <agentc0re> Quiznos: go outside naked with a fan.
[21:58] <Reticenti> [18:54:25] Warning: The command '/usr/bin/ldd' has been replaced by a script: /usr/bin/ldd: a /usr/bin/bash script text executable
[21:58] <Reticenti> is taht bad?
[21:58] <mfillpot> agentc0re: time for the a vm?
[21:58] <Reticenti> s/taht/that
[21:58] <agentc0re> fire|bird: just wine.
[21:58] <agentc0re> no, i'm not even going to worry about the link.
[21:59] <fire|bird> chkrootkit didn't find a thing. :)
[21:59] <Quiznos> wire wont reach
[21:59] <mancha> Ret, no its not bad
[21:59] <fire|bird> mfillpot: HAHAHA, I close FF and it's up to 668 free
[21:59] <mfillpot> what commands can fire|bird use to see what is using his RAM?
[21:59] <Reticenti> mancha: i got the same thing for whatis
[21:59] <Reticenti> ps aux
[21:59] <mfillpot> fire|bird: FF has some memory handling issues
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[21:59] <Reticenti> fire|bird: ps aux will show you mem and cpu usage
[21:59] <fire|bird> mfillpot: no doubt, I'd say, in this case, that was the culprit.
[21:59] <Quiznos> Reticenti ew
[22:00] <mancha> Ret, yeah a few of those are bash scripts which might raise eyebrows
[22:00] <Reticenti> :\
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[22:00] <Reticenti> mancha: what can i do to fix it?
[22:00] <mancha> i already told you its not bad
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[22:01] <Reticenti> 18:59:23  < mancha> Ret, yeah a few of those are bash scripts which might raise eyebrows
[22:01] <Reticenti> then why'd you say that?
[22:01] <Quiznos> e's bifurcated
[22:01] <Quiznos> he's
[22:01] <Quiznos> chk ld.so too
[22:01] <mancha> i'm explaining why your tookit detector's eyebrows were raised
[22:01] <fire|bird> mfillpot: htop is showing 160/1008 mem used
[22:01] <Quiznos> ldd has to be elf bin
[22:01] <mancha> rootkit
[22:01] <Reticenti> i also get this: what does that mean? http://pastebin.com/d1a6e44da
[22:02] <Quiznos> Reticenti reinstall the binpkg for those
[22:02] <mancha> ldd is not an elf executable on slackware Quiznos
[22:02] <Reticenti> Quiznos: for ldd and whatis?
[22:02] <Quiznos> chking
[22:02] <Quiznos> holy crap
[22:02] <fire|bird> Reticenti: Well, time, iirc is for ntpd
[22:02] <fire|bird> setting your time automatically
[22:02] <Quiznos> less `which ldd` # read comment block at top
[22:03] <Reticenti> i have no idea what you just said
[22:03] <mfillpot> fire|bird: what is htop?
[22:03] <fire|bird> Reticenti: Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth? :P
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[22:03] <fire|bird> mfillpot: similar to top, shows cpu, mem, etc. usage
[22:03] <Quiznos> run, less `which ldd` # read comment block at top
[22:03] <Reticenti> fire|bird: what?
[22:03] <agentc0re> fire|bird: i don't think he understands himself.
[22:03] <agentc0re> see ^^^
[22:03] <Reticenti> ENGLISH MOTHER FUCKER DO YOU SPEAK IT
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[22:03] <dive> morning all
[22:04] <fire|bird> agentc0re: +++
[22:04] <fire|bird> greetings dive, how are you?
[22:04] <agentc0re> howdy dive!
[22:04] <Quiznos> bbs
[22:04] <fire|bird> Reticenti: Nope, haven't spoke that in a LONG time. :P
[22:04] <Reticenti> :)
[22:04] <dive> fire|bird, agentc0re very well thanks, how're yourselves?
[22:04] <fire|bird> dive: great, thanks.
[22:05] <agentc0re> I'm good.  Probably work on that all encompassing script.
[22:05] <Reticenti> ok, so Quiznos what do you mean by reinstall the binpkg for those?
[22:05] <MLanden> y0 dive
[22:05] <mfillpot> fire|bird:  how can it say 160/1008 used, what does top say?
[22:05] <dive> I just finished tab completion for the irc client I'm working on :)
[22:05] <dive> hi MLanden
[22:05] <Rat409> Reticenti: http://htop.sourceforge.net/
[22:05] <fire|bird> mfillpot: Well, 160 out of 1008 used
[22:06] <Rat409> screenshots there
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[22:06] <diven> hm
[22:06] <fire|bird> mfillpot: top shows: Mem:   1032432k total,   448256k used,   584176k free,       16k buffers
[22:06] <diven> I had to restart
[22:07] <mfillpot> fire|bird: now it looks better, is the system more responsive?
[22:07] <fire|bird> mfillpot: yeah, I'm on xfce atm, I'll check in kde in a bit. I'm also curious to just see what top, etc. will show in, say, pekwm :)
[22:08] <mfillpot> fire|bird: right now I am using 1232020k of RAM
[22:08] <fire|bird> out of?
[22:08] <mfillpot> fire|bird: 4G
[22:09] <fire|bird> bah, you don't need 4G. /me steals 2G from mfillpot :P
[22:09] <dive> haha
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[22:09] Action: dive dreams of getting another 512M
[22:09] <fire|bird> mfillpot: What de/wm do you use?
[22:09] <Reticenti> ok, what about this: http://pastebin.com/d2d9698c4
[22:09] <Reticenti> bad?
[22:09] <mfillpot> I got 4G because it was cheap and it never hurts to have extras for VM networks
[22:09] <MLanden> true,mfillpot
[22:10] <fire|bird> Wow, latest midori added a speed dial to it.
[22:10] <mfillpot> fire|bird: I am using KDE atm
[22:10] <MLanden> orly,fire|bird?
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[22:10] <gnubien> fire|bird: midori has a nice audio player now too
[22:10] <mfillpot> usually I run xfce, but I want to make sure the vid drivers are performing properly
[22:10] <fire|bird> Reticenti: It's trying to check groups and passwd and there's no backup of either, so it can check for differences.
[22:10] <Rat409> try surfer,its new,webkit,fast,but not a ton of options,does suppt plugins
[22:10] <fire|bird> gnubien: really? cool
[22:11] <Reticenti> fire|bird: ah, ok
[22:11] <fire|bird> Rat409: I had seen that on opendesktop.org, but hadn't built it yet.
[22:11] <fire|bird> MLanden: yarly :)
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[22:11] <dive> Reticenti, sounds like someone deleted /etc/passwd- and /etc/group-
[22:11] <MLanden> cool....:P
[22:11] <saptech> hello all
[22:11] <Reticenti> and this too: http://pastebin.com/d5d2d4da1
[22:11] <gnubien> fire|bird: the streaming audio player even has a flash equalizer but you cant adjust it
[22:11] <Reticenti> dive: i dont think it ever existed..
[22:12] <fire|bird> gnubien: Wow, I hadn't noticed that. Is there only certain sites that work well with it or?
[22:12] <dive> Reticenti, is that out put from chkrootkit by any chance?
[22:12] <Reticenti> rkhunter, dive
[22:12] <Rat409> fire|bird: http://gitorious.org/surfer
[22:12] <dive> sorry I was slow catching up
[22:12] <Reticenti> its fine
[22:12] <gnubien> fire|bird: i only tried 1 site so far: www.clarkhoward.com   and played one of the archive audio files
[22:12] <fire|bird> Rat409: It's very konqueror-esque looking
[22:13] <fire|bird> gnubien: cool, thanks.
[22:13] <Reticenti> dive: this is the only one that i didnt get the entire answer for: http://pastebin.com/d1a6e44da
[22:13] <mfillpot> fire|bird: if you are looking to backup /etc/ I would recommend backing it up in a crypt encrypted virtual partition
[22:13] <dive> Reticenti, I wouldn't worry about those warnings, except according to that you are editing fstab
[22:13] <Reticenti> dive: i had to edit fstab because i added a new drive
[22:13] <dive> the vim swap
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[22:14] <Reticenti> and i wanted to mount the entire thing to /home
[22:14] <dimm0k> anyone here using conky 1.7.2 with slackware 13.0?  when i click on the desktop conky disappears
[22:14] <fire|bird> Rat409: git cloning now
[22:14] <Reticenti> dimm0k: i'm using the newest version
[22:14] <dive> that last one is just telling you which services are running - no worries f you enabled them yourself
[22:14] <fire|bird> and done. :P
[22:14] <Reticenti> dive: i dont think i enabled comsat, it's an email fetcher...
[22:14] <dive> Reticenti, you still have fstab open in vim that's all that swap file is
[22:14] <Reticenti> dive: really? how do i close it? (i've restarted the computer several times since then
[22:15] <dive> Reticenti, try editing it again and it will probably give a warning about swap file open, you can choose from some options there
[22:15] <Reticenti> ah, ok
[22:16] <dive> Reticenti, to exit vim do :q or :q! to not save
[22:16] <stanne_> Looks like they took tightvnc out of slackbuilds.org
[22:16] <Reticenti> dive: yeah, im a vim user :) i know :D
[22:16] <mancha> stanne, maybe its not there for 13.0
[22:17] <stanne_> I'm pretty sure it was there before..
[22:17] <Rat409> fire|bird: cool :)
[22:17] <dimm0k> Reticenti: newest version of conky?
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[22:17] <mfillpot> stanne_: I has not been updated yet, I have been waiting for it also
[22:17] <Reticenti> dimm0k: yeah, whatver version that is
[22:18] <Rat409> 1.7.2 iirc
[22:18] <stanne_> mancha: Yea, it's there for 12.1 but not for 12.2 or 13.0
[22:18] <Reticenti> dimm0k: yeah, im using 1.7.2
[22:18] <dimm0k> Reticenti: when you click on the desktop does conky disappear?
[22:18] <dive> stanne_, nothing on mailing list - maybe someone in #slackbuilds knows more
[22:18] <Reticenti> nope
[22:18] <Reticenti> dimm0k: maybe it's yourrc file?
[22:18] <Reticenti> your rc*
[22:19] <dimm0k> Reticenti: do you have own_window_type set to desktop?
[22:19] <Rat409> try setting buffer_size 2048
[22:19] <Reticenti> dimm0k: here's my conkyrc file: http://pastebin.com/d688c6900
[22:20] <neonflux_> stanne_: tightvnc is in extra for Slackware 13.0
[22:20] <stanne_> neonflux_: Oh
[22:20] <stanne_> Tnx
[22:20] <dive> that would explain it then ;-)
[22:20] <neonflux_> stanne_: np
[22:21] <dimm0k> Reticenti: thanks, let me check it out
[22:21] <Reticenti> dimm0k: if it vanishes for you with that one, it's something else
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[22:23] <stanne_> I see they miss-named it on http://slackware.mirrors.easynews.com/linux/slackware/slackware-13.0/extra/tightvnc/
[22:23] <stanne_> txz instead of tgz
[22:23] <Rat409> thats not a typo
[22:24] <mancha> thats a new suffix
[22:24] <mancha> tar+xz vs tar+g
[22:24] <mancha> *vs tar+gz
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[22:27] <stanne_> mancha: Oh, ok...
[22:27] <fire|bird> Rat409: bah, surfer isn't starting. :P
[22:27] <fire|bird> Rat409: Have you used it?
[22:27] <Reticenti> i've tried it once
[22:27] <Reticenti> i wasnt very good though
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[22:28] <Reticenti> i didnt haveanyone to tech me :(
[22:28] <RipVanWinkle> http://imagebin.org/64419
[22:28] <Reticenti> teach*
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[22:28] <dimm0k> Reticenti: interesting...  it works fine with yours!
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[22:29] <Reticenti> dimm0k: i would compare that one with the one you're using and see what's different
[22:29] <Reticenti> and test it one change at a time
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[22:30] <dimm0k> Reticenti: thanks, will do...  now i have something to work with!
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[22:32] <mfillpot> lol .. http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/DENVER-CO/KTCL-FM/lol%20windows%20seven.mp3
[22:32] <mfillpot> sorry for the long link
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[22:33] <edman007> mfillpot, please cite your sources
[22:34] <mfillpot> the source is: http://www.area93.com
[22:34] <Rat409> Reticenti: and dimm0k this ones slack-oriented from a slacker http://sqdnguns.deviantart.com/art/Slackware-Conky-104492049
[22:34] <mfillpot> edman007: it is played on the radio daily
[22:36] <MLanden> lol,mfillpot..right down to the crash
[22:37] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux
[22:37] <mfillpot> MLanden: I find the most humor from the fact that it is constantly played for the public
[22:38] <Reticenti> Rat409: that's almost exactly what i have, but I like the layout of that one, time to hack them together
[22:38] <Reticenti> thanks :)
[22:38] <MLanden> true,mfillpot.....that'll make 'em want it more....:D
[22:38] <MLanden> BUT'S IT'S shiny....:P
[22:39] <mfillpot> it's shiny and pretty, that only makes me hate it more
[22:39] <dimm0k> Rat409: indeed, thanks!
[22:39] <Rat409> dimm0k: sure enjoy :)
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[22:41] <Rat409> wow lagging
[22:42] <antiwire> you lag wagon
[22:42] <mfillpot> what lag?
[22:42] <antiwire> I just got out of the ocean, it was windy as all hell
[22:42] <antiwire> There was a contest going on too
[22:43] <Rat409> cool,surfing?
[22:43] <antiwire> yeah
[22:43] <Rat409> must be nice
[22:44] <antiwire> it's freaking awesome ;)
[22:44] <Rat409> no doubt! :)
[22:44] <hitest> nice
[22:45] <antiwire> pub time
[22:46] <mfillpot> beer
[22:46] <hitest> yes
[22:46] Action: hitest sips some red wine
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[22:46] <mfillpot> I guess I started early
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[22:50] <agentc0re> who here is a Packers fan?
[22:50] <gnubien> i'm a hackers fan ;)
[22:51] <mfillpot> no football for me
[22:52] <MLanden> agentc0re: being an international crowd...some might need more details on that one....Ravens here
[22:52] <Rat409> N.E. Patriots here
[22:53] <mfillpot> for me I'm just a geek with no interest in football, I know the GB packers are good, but don't generally care
[22:54] <Reticenti> Rat409: how do i make conky skinier?
[22:55] <stanne_> how do we tell the clock to update via ntp servers (in 13.0).  (Before we just right click on the clock and choose a server to use)....
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[22:55] <Rat409> less wide or shorter top to bottom?
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[22:55] <Reticenti> less wide
[22:55] <chopp> stop feeding it :P
[22:55] <Reticenti> =D
[22:55] <Rat409> max_width
[22:55] Nick change: peacedog -> peacedog_mobile
[22:55] <stanne_> Is it in settings someplace now?
[22:55] <mfillpot> stanne_: /etc/ntp.conf
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[22:56] <MLanden> CFL..maybe Eskimoes  or the Allouettes
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[22:57] <Reticenti> Rat409: max_width isnt working :\
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[22:57] <Rat409> CFL,i'll go with the RoughRiders,saskatchewan
[22:57] <mfillpot> Reticenti: why are you even using conky, if you actually set it with enough setting to be useful then it is a drain on resources
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[22:57] <Reticenti> mfillpot: yeah you're right, it using 0.0% cpu and 0.0% ram is really bad :\
[22:58] <Rat409> mfillpot: cause it looks good :P
[22:58] <mfillpot> Reticenti: the last tim I used it was in 12.0, it was eating alot of memory wating my cpu, ram, network interfaces and temps
[22:58] <Reticenti> mfillpot: mines not
[22:58] <mfillpot> s/wating/watching/
[22:59] <Reticenti> mfillpot: it's probably gotten a lot better
[22:59] <mfillpot> Reticenti: what about the apps that it is calling for info?
[22:59] <Reticenti> mfillpot: it's minimal
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[23:00] <Reticenti> fs_size and stuff hardly uses any resources
[23:00] <Rat409> most things conky can do internally
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[23:01] <Reticenti> Rat409: it's actually maximum_width, not max_width
[23:01] <Rat409> yuh
[23:02] <Rat409> sorry
[23:02] <stanne_> Is /etc/rc.d/rc.ntpd for updating the system clock?
[23:03] <stanne_> Or is it the server....?
[23:03] <mfillpot> stanne_: it is for the daemon server
[23:04] <stanne_> mfillpot: Where is the ntp app to update the local system clock?
[23:04] <Reticenti> Rat409: this command gives the version as 13.0.0.0.0.0.0:
[23:04] <Reticenti> ${execi 1 cat /etc/slackware-version}
[23:04] <Reticenti> :\
[23:04] <Reticenti> know what could be wrong?
[23:04] <Rat409> if you want to run it to set time as root "ntpd -s
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[23:04] <Rat409> '" darn big fingers
[23:04] <fire|bird> heh, midori has a nice, simple, rss feed manager/reader built in
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[23:05] <agentc0re> http://chrisleavins.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c681b53ef0120a523f81b970b-pi  Poor dog... Packers fan's embrace though.
[23:05] <Reticenti> fire|bird: yeah, i really like midori
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[23:05] Action: agentc0re is not a football fan.
[23:05] <mfillpot> stanne_: ntpq
[23:05] <Reticenti> fire|bird: i was using it while i had 256mb ram
[23:05] <agentc0re> Rugby is a real man's sport.
[23:05] <mfillpot> stanne_: use apropos to find commands
[23:05] <MLanden> damn straight,agentc0re......rip 'em up
[23:06] <fire|bird> Reticenti: yeah, it's very nice and lightweight, and fast. I just built the latest arora now too
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[23:08] <fire|bird> Reticenti: heh, I have to update midori too. It's to version 1.10 now :P
[23:09] <mfillpot> has anyone tried the kcometen4 screensaver yet?
[23:09] <fire|bird> mfillpot: part of kde?
[23:10] <mfillpot> fire|bird: no, it is a slackbuild
[23:10] <fire|bird> mfillpot: Hmm, no I haven't, but I'll check it out now that I know about it.
[23:10] <neonflux> mfillpot's slackbuild
[23:10] <neonflux> :)
[23:10] <fire|bird> lol
[23:10] <Rat409> fire|bird: puling midori git
[23:10] <Reticenti> fire|bird: yeah, my first install of midori was 0.1.10
[23:10] <fire|bird> neonflux: I know that now too. :P
[23:10] <fire|bird> Reticenti: I still had 0.9.0 :P
[23:11] <fire|bird> Rat409: cool
[23:11] <fire|bird> I'm liking these lightweight browsers.
[23:11] <mfillpot> fire|bird: kcometen4 is one of my slackbuilds, I am just glad it was ported to kde4
[23:11] <fire|bird> mfillpot: cool, I'll check it out
[23:12] <Rat409> yuh midori builds faster  now i think
[23:13] <agentc0re> i thought the SBo for Midori was for .01.1
[23:13] <agentc0re> 0.1.1
[23:13] <fire|bird> agentc0re: nope
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[23:13] <fire|bird> Rat409: Have you tried arora at all? Their Inspect features is cool, particularly the Resources Inspector
[23:14] <fire|bird> Shows download time of the page and each component of the page
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[23:14] <MLanden> building the latest midori right now
[23:14] <fire|bird> \o/
[23:14] <fire|bird> It's the midori movement. :P
[23:15] <Quiznos> whats the most dynamic wm? dynamic as in dynamic menu generation from $path?
[23:15] <Rat409> i have Midori 0.1.10-a158ac4
[23:15] <Reticenti> there's still a few tihnsg that midori needs to work on
[23:15] <agentc0re> well FF has been shit for me lately.  I have to refresh pages constantly.  same with opera.  Not sure if it's just the slowness of the netbook or what.
[23:15] <fire|bird> agentc0re: I'd vote for crappy FF
[23:16] <agentc0re> fire|bird: opera has been even worse.. :/
[23:16] <Quiznos> well, i finally got opera to show itself after a week of hiding from me
[23:16] <Quiznos> bbox helpd
[23:16] <Rat409> wow i haven't used midori in ages its really decent options,uitls wise.
[23:16] <fire|bird> agentc0re: Opera has gotten to take a bunch of ram, when I have it running, it's on the top of the most ram user list. :P
[23:16] <fire|bird> Rat409: yeah, it does.
[23:16] <Quiznos> thats called a `hog'
[23:16] <fire|bird> Last git change to midori was 10 hours ago
[23:16] <Quiznos> what's midori?
[23:17] <fire|bird> Quiznos: FF is even worse than opera
[23:17] <Reticenti> Quiznos: lightweight browser
[23:17] <Quiznos> perhaps
[23:17] <fire|bird> midori is a webkit based browser
[23:17] <Quiznos> ty
[23:17] <Quiznos> webkit?
[23:17] <agentc0re> fire|bird: are you building the latest release?
[23:17] <Reticenti> Quiznos: safari, chrome
[23:17] <Quiznos> ah
[23:17] <fire|bird> agentc0re: of midori and arora, yeah.
[23:17] <Quiznos> dont know those either :)
[23:17] <agentc0re> arora?
[23:17] <fire|bird> agentc0re: another webkit browser, like midori
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[23:17] <fire|bird> only arora is QTWebkit
[23:18] <fire|bird> so looks nice in kde4
[23:18] <Quiznos> i prefer my tools to be -g -ggdb
[23:18] <agentc0re> fire|bird: did you actually have to git the latest git or do they offer a link on the site?
[23:18] <mfillpot> ok, I;m out enjoy guys
[23:18] <Reticenti> cya milfpot
[23:18] <Quiznos> gn milf
[23:18] <Quiznos> milfy
[23:18] <fire|bird> see ya mfillpot
[23:18] <Quiznos> you should reg that nick
[23:18] <mfillpot> or you can just call me a##hole
[23:18] <fire|bird> agentc0re: I just use the latest stable with those, midori offers git tarballs as well iirc.
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[23:19] <Quiznos> not my style; see ##Politics for that :)
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[23:19] <Quiznos> he's alittle annoyed
[23:19] <Quiznos> :)
[23:19] <fire|bird> agentc0re: startup wise, here anyway, midori is a bit faster.
[23:19] <agentc0re> fire|bird: nm i see the option to change in the bs.  thanks! :D
[23:19] <fire|bird> lol
[23:19] <Quiznos> does FF get its xpi from ~ or share/?
[23:20] <agentc0re> lol
[23:20] <Quiznos> or both
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[23:20] <agentc0re> fire|bird: i am hoping it runs better for my netbook.
[23:21] <fire|bird> I'm sure it will
[23:22] <fire|bird> agentc0re: If you've seen, and like, opera's speed dial, midori has that too :)
[23:22] <MLanden> awesome...nice and light with XFCE..:D
[23:22] <fire|bird> MLanden: indeed
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[23:23] <Quiznos> damn, i want a etc/wms like etc/shells file
[23:23] <Quiznos> for one place to hold installed wm's
[23:23] <Quiznos> and a chwm cmd
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[23:23] <Quiznos> xwmconfig sux
[23:23] <thrice`> yeah!
[23:24] <fire|bird> For web developers, this is one nice feature arora has over midori, http://imagebin.org/64429
[23:24] <fire|bird> how does xwmconfig suck?
[23:24] <Quiznos> it just does
[23:24] <Quiznos> it's not taoish enuf for me
[23:24] <fire|bird> You can't say something sucks and not have a reason for it. :P
[23:24] <thrice`> enuf?
[23:24] <stanne_> how hard is it to set up lvm on an existing 13.0 system?
[23:24] <Quiznos> it's separate from the rest of the tools
[23:24] <fire|bird> Ok, if it sucks, make something better.
[23:24] <Quiznos> i just did
[23:25] <thrice`> stanne_: impossible, I think
[23:25] <fire|bird> and what's that? quizconfig?
[23:25] <Quiznos> chwm.1 and etc/wms
[23:25] <stanne_> thrice`: o
[23:25] <MLanden> awesome...100% acidtest..:D
[23:25] <fire|bird> MLanden: yup. :D
[23:25] <stanne_> well, who needs it... :)
[23:26] <Quiznos> openbox apparent has the dynamic menu generation i was axing about
[23:26] <thrice`> lvm needs to be setup at the time you create the partitions
[23:26] <thrice`> Quiznos: what do you mean by dynamic?
[23:27] <Quiznos> thrice` openbox wm has a menu element that calls a script to make a menu
[23:28] <thrice`> it doesn't call script, it uses a .xml file, but continue :)
[23:28] <Quiznos> that's all the blurb i read says
[23:28] <Reticenti> why is my slackware version 13.0.0.0.0?
[23:28] <Rat409> openbox can do pipe-menus yes :P
[23:28] Action: MLanden test from Pidgin ... http://acid3.acidtests.org/
[23:28] <mingdao> to throw off the parasite distros Reticenti
[23:29] <Quiznos> Reticenti it's not a real float, hence the dots
[23:29] <Reticenti> mingdao: ah, how can i chop off the extra zeros when i cat it/
[23:29] <thrice`> Reticenti: just in case 13.0.0.0.1 needs releasing
[23:29] <mingdao> Reticenti: actually it was a joke to upset some of the 3rd party tools
[23:29] <Reticenti> lol
[23:29] <mingdao> vim /etc/slackware-version
[23:29] <Reticenti> oh
[23:29] <Reticenti> lol
[23:30] <Reticenti> i'm dubm
[23:30] <alisonken1home> Reticenti: you can also edit what mingdao suggests
[23:30] <Reticenti> so subm i cant evern spell dubm
[23:30] <Quiznos> Slackware 12.2.0
[23:30] <thrice`> cat /etc/slackware-version | cut -d. -f 1,2
[23:30] <mingdao> don't put commas in there thrice`
[23:30] <thrice`> why?
[23:30] <Reticenti> | cut -d. -f 1 2
[23:30] <Reticenti> ?
[23:30] <alisonken1home> try both and see what happens
[23:30] <thrice`> no
[23:31] <alisonken1home> might be cut -d. -f 1-2 also
[23:31] <Quiznos> use a coma
[23:31] <thrice`> why can't I use a comma mingdao ?
[23:32] <agentc0re> fire|bird: did you use the provided command to grab the latest GIT for midori?
[23:32] <MLanden> Quiznos: yeah,go for the deathgrip....:D
[23:32] <Reticenti> comma works
[23:32] <Quiznos> hat grip?
[23:32] <Quiznos> what
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[23:32] <agentc0re> fire|bird: the one in the readme that is.
[23:33] <Reticenti> also, on my conky, ihave a load averages thing, with three numbers below 1, what do they mean?
[23:33] <thrice`> yes, i'm waiting for mingdao to teach me why the comma is bad.
[23:33] <MLanden> Quiznos: j/k on the coma remark...srry
[23:33] <Quiznos> 1m 5m 15m avg
[23:33] <Quiznos> ah
[23:33] <fire|bird> agentc0re: I actually just grabbed the 0.1.0 tarball, but the git command will get you an even more current version of it.
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[23:33] <agentc0re> fire|bird: doesn't work, that's why i am asking if you did.
[23:34] <Reticenti> Quiznos: ah, ok, thanks
[23:34] <Quiznos> yw
[23:34] <thrice`> yeah, midori changed to hosting on xfce's goodies site
[23:34] <fire|bird> agentc0re: lol, ok.
[23:34] <fire|bird> thrice`: midori sure is a nice browser
[23:34] <thrice`> git://git.xfce.org/apps/midori
[23:35] <agentc0re> thrice`: Ya, i am using that now.  But the one in the read me isn't working.
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[23:35] <agentc0re> Earlier it sounded like fire|bird grabbed the latest git, which is why i asked if it had worked for him.
[23:36] <thrice`> very :)
[23:37] <fire|bird> There, building midori on the laptop now. :D
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[23:42] <Reticenti> whoa, conky has built in imap support
[23:42] <fire|bird> yup
[23:43] <Reticenti> does it jsut display unread msgs?
[23:43] <fire|bird> I'm not sure what all it can do, but at it's most basic, it can display how many unread messages.
[23:43] <MLanden> easy to go overboard with conky
[23:43] <stanne_> What app or script uses ntp.conf ?
[23:44] <fire|bird> MLanden: yeah, some people have the entire screen filled with conky stuff. :P
[23:44] <MLanden> unless you put the fonts at 1 point.....:P
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[23:46] <stanne_> I see that tty1 - tty5 are no longer turned off in runlevel 4 when X is running.  Did someone decide that PC resources have become so abundant that we don't need to do that any more?
[23:47] <neonflux> stanne_: probably /sbin/ntpd
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[23:47] <ananke> yeah. welcome to 2009.
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[23:48] <stanne_> How does one turn off tty1 - tty5?  I've got a rather old PC here and would like to see how much it saves on resources.
[23:48] <NaCl> my pentium 4 can handle 6 ttys and X no problem.
[23:49] <ananke> stanne_: you have wasted more resources on asking that question, than you'd save on turning those vts off
[23:49] <ananke> stanne_: /etc/inittab controls those
[23:50] <stanne_> :)
[23:51] <MLanden> stanne_: How old a PC?
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[23:52] <stanne_> 700MHz
[23:53] <stanne_> PII
[23:53] <ananke> next thing on the agenda: turning off keyboard support, since it might shave off your kernel by 7685 bytes
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[23:53] <stanne_> running huge.s
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[23:53] <MLanden> How's it handling?
[23:53] <agentc0re> ananke: i thought it was FB support first.
[23:53] <agentc0re> ?
[23:54] <ananke> agentc0re: fb as in frame buffer?
[23:54] <stanne_> vmlinuz-huge-2.6.29.6
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[23:54] <NaCl> agentc0re: heh
[23:54] <agentc0re> ananke: yeah. ;)
[23:54] <ananke> agentc0re: i'm missing the joke
[23:54] <stanne_> Pretty good actually, running xfce
[23:55] <MLanden> stanne_: awesome
[23:55] <agentc0re> ananke: i thought you were kidding about the keyboard support... so i figured why stop there.
[23:55] <agentc0re> wow, jokes are really lame when you have to explain them.
[23:55] <stanne_> but it's in the high 80s  (percent of cpu usage)
[23:56] <agentc0re> yey, midori is done.
[23:56] <stanne_> If I run firefox, it goes up into the 90's
[23:56] <stanne_> I have 4 terminals open now
[23:56] <stanne_> and two virtual desktops
[23:56] <stanne_> But it runs ok actually
[23:56] <agentc0re> You know i feel like i should be in dragon ball z or naruto when i say/type "midori".  Sounds like something i should say if i am shooting a ball of energy from my hands into my enemy.
[23:57] <ananke> agentc0re: indeed :) considering i thought removing keyboard driver was more extreme than removing fb, i wasn't sure you were joking :)
[23:57] <stanne_> is iceweasle cheaper than firefox?
[23:57] <MLanden> same thing....just a rebranding
[23:57] <stanne_> (I guess I should say lighter instead of cheaper.
[23:58] <ananke> stanne_: it's firefox, with different name.
[23:58] <NaCl> And different art
[23:58] <Reticenti> has anyone got gmail to work with conky here?
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[23:59] <agentc0re> ananke: I was totally joking.
[23:59] <agentc0re> ....Or was I?!?   O_O
[23:59] <agentc0re> O_o
[23:59] <stanne_> Anyone know the trick to getting XP to authenticate with samba?
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