[00:00] m1ck3y (~m1ck3y@adsl-99-121-30-211.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:00] asarch (~asarch@189.188.159.181) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:07] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A669.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [00:14] grazymax (~grazymax@host83-4-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [00:14] Good thinking :) [00:14] Dominian: tnx [00:14] Wait, Dominian got something right? ;) [00:15] blow me [00:15] Trying to find some photo software that does a special effect [00:15] starting to get pissed I can't remember th ename o fit [00:15] http://files.fredemmott.co.uk/yanihp-triple.png [00:15] it does things like that [00:15] What's the specific effect you are looking for? [00:15] but i can't remember it [00:16] Hmm, I dunno what that one is. Looks like you could manually do it w/ some skewing and layers though [00:17] bah [00:17] no this app didi it tself [00:17] just don't remember what the effect is called [00:17] yht (~yht@180.214.232.21) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:18] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:21] Rebecaa19f (wonderwall@41.236.13.139) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:23] forgery (~Unknown@122.173.248.214) joined ##slackware. [00:24] m1ck3y (m1ck3y@adsl-99-121-30-211.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [00:25] well I'll give up on that until I can talk to fred about it [00:26] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [00:26] Dominian: I have a designer friend who might now, but won't be able to ask till tomorrow at the earliest [00:26] Dominian: But I wasn't able to find anythign on my own so far. [00:26] me either [00:27] I'm moving on to my other curiosity right now anyway [00:27] screen recording [00:27] goin to test with vlc [00:27] tried with recordmydesktop.. just.. dunno didn' tdo well [00:28] grazymax (~grazymax@host83-4-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:28] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [00:30] Have fun. I think I am gonna turn in [00:32] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [00:34] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:34] j0z (~JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:35] ysg (1000@cm103-236.madisontelco.com) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.3"). [00:36] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:42] grazymax (~grazymax@host21-155-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [00:48] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [00:53] [hireme]rhisa (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) left irc: Quit: [hireme]rhisa [00:54] john_dee (~id@95-29-14-98.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:01] I went to a ipaddresslocation.org and it did spill out my ip address and location. The more disturbing info was the OS, Browser version and Internal IP address. What information does the browser send out when going to web sites? [01:02] Why is [01:02] GDM 2.20 the only one available? [01:02] on slackbuild [01:02] j0z (~JESUS@187.59.77.25) joined ##slackware. [01:02] j0z (~JESUS@187.59.77.25) left irc: Changing host [01:02] j0z (~JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [01:03] as opposed to? [01:03] IDK [01:03] the other 10 versions? [01:03] 21-30 [01:03] kleanchap: check this to see what all it leaks http://anonymous-proxy-servers.net/en/anontest [01:03] troy (~troy@dsl-69-172-72-39.acanac.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:04] Edogaa: have you tried building them? [01:05] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@r74-192-29-7.bcstcmta01.clsttx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [01:06] nope [01:06] I have not [01:06] kleanchap: if you are really concerned about your browser leaking private data, take a look at this page. it has some tips http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/journal/2010-038.htm [01:06] forgery, This site pretty much does the same thing. How do you prevent this type of information leak? [01:06] john_dee (~id@95-29-14-98.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [01:06] kleanchap: read my above post [01:07] Got it. [01:07] And what bootsplash software do you guys recommend? [01:07] I was intrigued by plymouth [01:07] troy (~troy@dsl-69-172-72-39.acanac.net) joined ##slackware. [01:07] but it doesn't look like its possible to just build onto slackware :/ [01:07] Edogaa: whatever version of gdm on sbo is what I use, it works fine [01:07] sbo? [01:07] Oh [01:08] slackbuilds lol [01:08] i find it funny that a guy called 'forgery' is giving tips on privacy and stuff ^_^ [01:09] :-) True [01:09] Edogaa: there are two possible scenarios 1) the author hasn't got it updated yet to a later version because hey hasn't gotten around to it for various reasons 2) he has updated it because that is the version known to work well on Slackware 13.1 [01:09] Ah [01:10] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-182.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [01:10] So what boot splash software do you guys use? [01:11] none. [01:11] :| [01:11] for my desktop I don't reboot all that often. for my laptop .. I don't care. [01:11] ah [01:12] i run a simple algorithm, if(feature xyz adds time to the boot process) then nuke(feature xyz) [01:12] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [01:12] i don't want my boots pretty i want them fast [01:12] I want them both :O [01:13] i never used a bootsplash, it gives the people impression that i'm some kind of anti-social nerd freak, so they generally stay away from me, and i like it that way [01:14] forgery: HAHA :) [01:15] Alright then [01:15] if you guys /did/ use one would you prefer splashy, bootsplash or xsplash? [01:15] i'm gonna set up a bootsplash that simulates an all-text boot process [01:15] lol [01:17] I'mgonna get splashy since its on alienBOB's what it called [01:17] rheault (~rheault@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:18] wait, thats for 12.0... [01:20] why the hell do people use adobe's pdf reader on lignux? [01:21] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@r74-192-29-7.bcstcmta01.clsttx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [01:21] Because you can use it on the browser [01:21] without 'downloading it' [01:21] Edogaa: suppository? [01:21] well it still gets downloaded [01:21] but [01:22] You don't have to deal with downloading first, then opening it [01:24] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:24] mhmmm [01:24] thats stuill quite lame though [01:25] still* [01:25] might as well use google docs [01:25] :| Well, I had to download every damn file in this database I had to research on because it was all in PDF :| [01:25] i personally like that it is closed source, close to 60mb, and has numerous unpatched publicly known vulnerabilities [01:25] And it took more time away then it should've [01:25] but taste is such a personal thing... [01:26] Edogaa: use konqueror ;) [01:26] it can use okular's engine to view the pdfs in the browser [01:27] mancha: 60 mb? thats false. the adobe reader installation on my dad's win xp laptop has an installation size of 670 MB [01:27] oh win xp? i thought you asked why people use it on linux [01:28] wait, did i join #windows by mistake again?? shit [01:28] mancha: yeah, thats right,, but i never used it on lunix so i dont know the installed size [01:28] should be similar in size , right? [01:28] so then you shouldn't say false [01:28] okular is used :/ [01:29] you should inform yourselfs [01:29] into the browser [01:29] [01:29] hmm never knew that [01:30] mancha: yeah, but how much smaller could it be on a lunix system? they have similar shitty code, right? [01:30] speculation is futile [01:30] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-19-157.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: IRC is just multiplayer notepad [01:30] >_> [01:30] um whatever [01:31] Edogaa: konqueror is pretty good if you like your work done in one app [01:32] it can even edit text n shit, tough its actually a bug [01:32] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@r74-192-29-7.bcstcmta01.clsttx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [01:32] i cannot speak intelligently about what is in your pappy's 640mb's of raw adobe pleasure. but in linux, the latest reader is about 60mb compressed and 140mb installed [01:32] Thats one USEFUL b ug [01:33] mancha: ok [01:33] 140 mb is still a lot though [01:34] yes my sarcastic comment about what i liked about ti wouldn't have been so funny if the size were small [01:34] it helped in the humor effect. [01:34] Edogaa: yeah, but i think they've 'fixed' it in KDE 4.5 :/ [01:34] :| [01:34] I love and yet hate KDE so much [01:34] Edogaa: same here [01:35] I hear 3.5 still out performs and has a similar amount of features to even the latest of the 4 series [01:37] Edogaa: true, but KDE4 had to be written from scratch, so that somewhat explains the less features [01:37] mmm [01:39] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [01:42] Opera is awesome [01:46] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:51] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.237.105) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:53] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@static-200-105-*.acelerate.net expired. 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[02:37] guys.... seems like the global keyboard shortcut 'Alt-Print' is not working for me... though 'Ctrl-Print' is. Any ideas anyone how to get it on? [02:52] ORBit...and GConf [02:52] irritating [02:52] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D55F0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:53] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-19-63.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:57] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:57] How do I disable Java in Firefox? [02:59] Ya know, these slackbuilds remind me of pkgbuilds from the Arch Users Repositories [03:00] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [03:01] hexhawk (~hawk@unaffiliated/hexhawk) joined ##slackware. [03:01] kleanchap: go to edit > preferences > content [03:02] and disable java [03:03] forgery, I only see "Enable Javascript" option. There is nothing for java in this tab. [03:04] kleanchap: in that case, i think you dont have java installed :/ [03:05] forgery, I do have it in /usr/lib/java/bin/java. This is full default install of Slackware. [03:05] hmmm [03:06] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.91.234) joined ##slackware. [03:07] kleanchap: go to about:config and search for java. it must have the options to turn it off there [03:07] forgery, Thnx [03:09] asdfjkl (~asdfasdfs@112.202.241.192) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:12] forgery (~Unknown@122.173.248.214) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:14] Any recommendations as to which proxy server I can use at home to protect from browser privacy info? 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[04:02] jemark (~mark@86-44-32-251-dynamic.b-ras2.blp.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:04] Edogaa: nice package list for not slackware [04:04] LOL [04:29] busted [04:34] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-3-80.kotinet.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:35] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:36] well, that debian cd came in handy after all [04:37] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-3-80.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [04:37] holding the door? [04:38] beer mat? [04:38] dive: partman [04:39] now to compile from source directly since I've never done it before successfully :o [04:39] I admit they're useful for that [04:39] Edogaa: slackbuilds [04:40] I know [04:40] ls [04:41] http://wulffmorgenthaler.com/default.aspx?id=45c943e5-b38c-43f9-9351-2986e329e7e8 [04:41] nemmeviu (~nemmeviu@unaffiliated/nemmeviu) left irc: Quit: "Bom dia" [04:42] adrien: it was good for splitting the hd partition, then expanding ext3 to fill drive [04:43] yeah, did that once too [04:43] or gparted live [04:43] even though I'm not a fan of parted [04:44] i just use lvm and xfs [04:46] adrien: gparted is *much* to slow [04:46] adrien: partman did it in a matter of minutes... [04:46] now i've redone my hd partitions and split them among three drives [04:46] nyRednek: my biggest gripe is stability [04:47] had some weird things in parted not so long ago (2 or 3 years) [04:47] and /boot, drive sda...swap and /usr, drive sdb.../home, drive sdc [04:48] / and /boot even [04:49] never used xfs [04:49] and didn't like lvm [04:50] moved my build directory into /home(a 160gb hd) [04:50] j0z (~JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:55] wow, i don't know if it's moving the build dir off the / drive or the swap part off the / drive, but i'm noticing a serious performance improvement [04:56] the gcc is taking up more of the processor, but it's compiling faster, taking up more memory, and dumping objects faster [04:57] now to export my /home/shared [04:57] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-141-84.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:59] depends how much you're hitting the swap [05:00] and how fast the external drive is [05:01] _RadioHead (~slack@82.114.94.253) joined ##slackware. [05:04] adrien: it isn't an external drive...i'm sure that the /home drive is faster than the others [05:06] ah, wasn't sure [05:06] but, anyway, several drives can really help [05:07] troy (~troy@dsl-69-172-72-39.acanac.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:07] troy (~troy@dsl-69-172-104-125.acanac.net) joined ##slackware. [05:11] hba (~hba@189.130.161.141) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:12] vinisterx (~ryan@74-129-201-82.dhcp.insightbb.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:12] j0z (~JESUS@187.112.58.247) joined ##slackware. [05:12] j0z (~JESUS@187.112.58.247) left irc: Changing host [05:12] j0z (~JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [05:20] ferdna (~yup@cpe-24-92-114-97.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [05:24] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) joined ##slackware. [05:24] Hey [05:24] does slack have the berkeleyDB? [05:25] yes [05:25] pre-installed? lol [05:25] Just gotta make sure [05:26] yes [05:32] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. 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[07:11] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-3-80.kotinet.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:14] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-3-80.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [07:18] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [07:19] slava_dp (~slava@212.115.247.161) joined ##slackware. [07:19] slava_dp (~slava@212.115.247.161) left irc: Changing host [07:19] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [07:21] hobin (~hobin___@94.125.216.34) joined ##slackware. [07:23] hey guys [07:23] any idea when they are going to fix the X driver / nvidia poor performance issues... it's making -current a pita [07:24] byteframe: that was productive [07:25] adrien: it should be? [07:26] no idea, but you should check first :P [07:26] Action: adrien whsipers "nouveau" in phrag's ear [07:27] adrien: really? was poor last time i tried it.. in fact it didnt work at all =P [07:27] phrag: works well and is easy to install now, but still 2D-only :P [07:28] meh, i need my starcraft =P [07:28] thanks for the info though, i will consider trying it [07:29] stunix (1000@85.19.141.111) joined ##slackware. [07:30] can also switch between both at boot-time if you use the nvidia sbo slackbuild ;-) [07:30] actually, at startx-time [07:30] the nvidia slackbuild, or nouvau [07:30] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:31] nm =P [07:31] i just woke up =P [07:33] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [07:33] nouveau: get a recent kernel, rworkman's xorg-server-1.9 packages and you're good [07:33] should i use the 32bit version if i want win support ? [07:33] and use nvidia-switch [07:33] you'd also blacklist both nvidia.ko and nouveau.ko to be able to choose at runtime which one to use [07:33] i'm runnin 2.6.35.4 with -current, got a link for the xorg packages? [07:33] (which you'd modprobe explicitely) [07:34] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [07:34] http://connie.slackware.com/~rworkman/xorg/ [07:34] remember nvidia overwrites some files so wait until you actually wake up ;-) [07:35] do i need the libX stuff ? [07:35] and what I described might be a bit more complicated if you use an initrd (but not impossible) (also, vga=normal in your lilo.conf) (and it's untested :P ) [07:35] everything :P [07:35] adrien: haha, that's good advice actually.. i'll put another coffee on =) [07:35] everything from http://connie.slackware.com/~rworkman/xorg/PACKAGES/x86_64/ (or i486) [07:35] I don't know how it plays with multilib, absolutely no idea [07:36] that's great, thanks very much adrien.. that's my day sorted =) [07:36] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:36] :P [07:38] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [07:38] archcezar (1000@ddz64.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:40] archcezar (1000@acvs146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. 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[08:13] result from 'lspci': Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) [08:14] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:16] did you unmute the controls in alsamixer? [08:16] slava_dp: btw, is the graphic part of your Core i5 working well? [08:17] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-173-123.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:17] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-173-123.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Changing host [08:17] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [08:18] adrien, core i3 here. and, no, in slack 13.1 I don't have graphics effects. they reportedly work with the xorg update, _but_ it's a work machine and I'd like to stick to the released versions. [08:18] bnguyen, have you had a look here? http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio-Models.txt some of those dells' need the options snd-hda-intel model=MODEL to be set correctly for sense (and sub if you got one etc.) to work [08:18] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [08:19] AbhiJit (~Ubuntu@unaffiliated/abhijit) joined ##slackware. [08:19] hey [08:19] slava_dp: ok, I was asking because some was having troubles yesterday [08:19] nvm [08:19] slava_dp: of course I did. I said sound on headphone is fine. [08:20] meatpuppet: thx, looking into it [08:20] he updated his kernel to a .35.4 one but X would sometimes freeze [08:20] told him to wait more for graphic effects, xorg-server-1.9 and kernel 2.6.36 probbaly [08:20] pete` (~user@022.a.006.syd.iprimus.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:21] yeah, gotta wait for a while for things to work :/ [08:21] sadly [08:22] s4lv4d0r (~s4lv4d0r@190.74.49.146) joined ##slackware. [08:22] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-246-71.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:22] ='( [08:23] btw, I experimented a bit and recompressed tar.gz and tar.bz2 and .txz files with xz (higher compression settings for .txz files, and --x86 which is a compression preprocessor and helps for binaries), overall I managed to reduce the size of the install media by 220MB [08:23] which means there's still room [08:24] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [08:24] can probably be used to get 250MB or more [08:24] samfisher (~unaffilia@unaffiliated/samfisher) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [08:26] s4lv4d0r (~s4lv4d0r@190.74.49.146) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:28] AbhiJit (Ubuntu@unaffiliated/abhijit) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:29] Roin (~florian@pD9555EA6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:29] adrien, did you recompress the sources? [08:30] slava_dp: yeah: got 170MB over sources (150MB from bzip2 sources, 20MB from gzip ones) [08:31] divadgnol67 (~david@pool-71-127-224-169.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:31] 36MB from packages (higher compression settings) and an additional 15MB by using the --x86 preprocessor [08:31] bnguyen (~bnguyen@210.245.12.48) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:31] nice =) [08:32] divadgnol67 (~david@pool-71-127-224-169.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:32] the other nice thing is that smaller .xz files are faster to decompress (smaller _after_ compression, not before): using higher compression settings makes extraction faster =) [08:33] interesting effect. [08:33] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:34] the compression speed is roughly constant in terms of bytes/s of compressed data: if a file is compressed down to 1MB instead of 2MB (same input file), it'll decompress roughly twice as fast [08:34] =) [08:36] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) joined ##slackware. [08:36] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [08:37] strash (~strash@vlan-176-sliven-243.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [08:37] hello,can someone point me a howto or a guide how to setup a simple mail server on my slackware 13.1 [08:43] s4lv4d0r (1000@190.73.168.246) joined ##slackware. [08:45] nick4 (~fffeop@77.49.56.154.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[09:19] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [09:20] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [09:23] hello , i used a slackbuild to compile the skype for my slackware 13.1 [09:23] how should i use the installpkg to install skype ? [09:23] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [09:24] strash: installpkg /tmp/skype-package [09:24] strash: replace skype-package with the actual name of the file generated [09:25] jareth_ yeah i found it in "/tmp/SBo [09:25] strash: you have to install it as root [09:25] su + pass works ? [09:25] yups [09:25] installpkg package-skype : file not found [09:26] 'su -' [09:26] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3f85e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [09:26] strash: you have to check for yourself the actual filename to install [09:26] not package-skype. skype-$VERSION.tgz [09:26] sahko -let me check where it is [09:26] its in /tmp/SBo by default [09:27] got only 2 direktories "package-skype/" and "skype-2.1.0.81/" [09:28] err yeah its in /tmp by default [09:28] no tgz file in tmp or SBo [09:29] maybe its .txz [09:29] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:29] in tmp i have lots of files but i dont see package files [09:30] maybe i haven`t done something correctly [09:31] strash: after running the slackbuild the filename to install should be mentioned in the output [09:31] jareth_ let me start the slackbuild again [09:32] strash: watch the output plz [09:32] last outpus us "skype-2.1.0.81/LICENSE [09:33] maybe the slackbuild is not ok ? [09:33] strash: if you read the output it should inform you wether the build was succesfull or not [09:33] well no such line is present [09:34] sahko: any ideas? [09:34] pete` (~user@020.a.007.syd.iprimus.net.au) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:35] grazymax (~grazymax@host21-155-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:35] FriedBob (~Drinne@75-133-175-48.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [09:35] FriedBob (~Drinne@75-133-175-48.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Changing host [09:35] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [09:35] maybe when i edited the VERSION in the slackbuild i have deleted something by mistake ? [09:36] strash: you should know what happened exactly [09:36] jareth_ it just gives an output asif i have tarred the skype [09:36] also, skype is not compiled, it is repackaged. it's a binary blob, not source code. [09:37] well in the slackbuild i gives the sorse [09:37] *sourse [09:37] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.252.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [09:37] nope. you have a binary to download, not the source. [09:37] omg [09:37] ok , let me download the binary [09:38] lol [09:38] huh [09:38] well slackbuilds need to make a small update [09:39] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [09:39] v4nelle (~van@79.107.251.101) joined ##slackware. [09:40] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.47) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:42] estevao (~estevao@187.58.118.239) joined ##slackware. [09:43] estevao (estevao@187.58.118.239) left ##slackware. [09:43] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.252.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:44] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.252.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [09:44] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.252.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Client Quit [09:45] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.252.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [09:45] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.252.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:45] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.252.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [09:48] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.233.59) joined ##slackware. [09:49] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [09:50] slava_dp should i download the dynamic skype ? [09:50] cause it doesn`t find the static [09:50] did you update the slackbuild? [09:51] alisonken1home - it says it has been updated for the latest version [09:51] slackbuild for skype v2.1.0.81 works for me [09:52] i checked "VERSION" [09:53] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:53] damn it downloads the dynamic version in less than a second - i guess somethign is bad with the skype server [09:53] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:54] tar: /home/strash/skype/skype-2.1.0.81.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory [09:54] tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now [09:54] pete` (~user@011.a.002.syd.iprimus.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:55] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-433350.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[10:00] the skype-2.1.0.81.tar.bz2 from the skype.com website was downloaded in the skype.SlackBuild directory was downloaded but still not found [10:01] strash: if you used sbopkg, then it would d/l the source for you - but the slackbuild by itself expects the source to already be with tit [10:01] it [10:01] alisonken1home i don`t use sbopkg [10:02] g3man (~wojciech@abnt139.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:02] might be worth using - it helps a lot with slackbuilds.org [10:02] slava_dp told me i need the binaries ,not the sorce to repack the skype [10:02] yes - skype is proprietary and they only provide binaries [10:03] no. now skype is open source :D [10:03] g3man i don`t know ... [10:03] just joking [10:04] g3man: "it's in the works" is not "skype is open source" [10:05] ;-) [10:05] hold on [10:05] any way - strash, if yo don't want to use sbopkg, then d/l the slakbuild, d/l the skype binary that matches the version in the slackbuild, and put both in the same directory [10:05] i got output- yes [10:05] why not SBo? [10:06] i have skype 2.1 beta from SBo and don't have any problems [10:06] it verifies [10:06] installed ... [10:06] even with newest Intel HDA [10:06] I'm still waiting for the 64-bit version [10:06] that's not a repackaged 32-bit binary expecting multilib [10:06] Hurray i got skype in my KDE MENU [10:07] slackware is butilib? [10:07] multilib? [10:07] g3man: not by default - robbie has a 320bit multilib update that can be installed [10:07] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:08] slackware default is either slackware (320bit) or slackware64 (64-bit) [10:08] alisonken1home ,what will happen if i just download the binarie , tar them and run them from the folder? [10:08] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:08] ... so i stay at slackware 32bit [10:09] strash: for skype? just means you miss out on package management updates as well as possibliy the skype icons not showing up where expected [10:09] alisonken1home -well this doesn`t sound so bad ... [10:09] i wrote simple script that ckecks updates for SBo packages ! :D [10:09] g3man: that's why the home dual-core machine is still on slackware - the wife needs skype to chat with sister overseas [10:10] g3man: sbopgk works fine for me to check for updates :) [10:10] well if i just tar ome archive ,can`t i manage the icons` location by myself [10:10] ? [10:10] nope - slackware tgz files have some specific extras [10:10] sbopkg??? is something like slackpkg? [10:10] yep - for slackbuilds.org rather than official slackware [10:10] OMG, i dodn't know [10:11] didn't [10:11] http://sbopkg.org [10:11] thanks.. [10:11] well can i just work it like now - without sbopkg ? [10:11] just run the script and so on ... ? [10:11] yep - slackware is nice in that you can do what you want [10:11] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3f85e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:11] some of us just prefer some of the extra touches [10:12] i wish skype loads faster ... [10:12] ah , now it launches and signs in way faster ... [10:13] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3f85e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [10:13] so , slackbuilds.org is a slack script that compiles the sorce and turns it into a tgz or tgx file... [10:13] yes [10:14] on SBo u have many additional packages [10:14] g3man have you ever tried to launch a mail server on slackware? [10:14] do you know how to setup the DNS ? [10:14] strash: sorry, mail server - no. [10:14] what about LAMP ? [10:15] or LAMPP [10:15] yes;) [10:15] so can you give me a howto or guide ? [10:15] Slackware has all the components onboard to setup a lampp server [10:15] Searching the internet will find you lots of guides [10:15] but in slackware u have almost all out of box [10:15] well i have to get it through from the scratch [10:16] i want to learn it ,so i will be able to do it on every linux distro [10:16] Slackware's apache is setup to run out of the box. If you want to add php support it is enough to uncomment a single line in /etc/httpd/httpd/conf [10:16] That should be /etc/httpd/httpd.conf [10:16] let me vim it [10:16] strash: just learn httpd configuration, thats all [10:16] is that simple ? [10:17] no learn - just configure :P [10:17] but basic configuration is very simple [10:17] well imagine i have a distro that needs lots of preparation for an apache server [10:18] no... total steps are: [10:18] 1. installl needed packages [10:18] 2. edit config files [10:18] 3. run it [10:18] so , how to run my apache in slack ? [10:18] and iptables maybe [10:19] iptables and firewall setup is something else [10:19] yes [10:19] g3man how to run my apache ? [10:19] have u configured it? [10:19] httpd.conf? [10:19] i think so ... [10:19] yeah [10:20] regarding downloading the sources for SBo slackbuilds: ''source *.info && wget $DOWNLOAD && ./*.SlackBuild''. don't go hunting for source manually. [10:20] listen addres... and so on [10:20] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:21] maybe my life with SBo will be way easier ... [10:21] strash: chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.httpd [10:21] strash: /etc/rc.d/rc.httpd start [10:22] and type localhost in your browser [10:23] benster (ben@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-razrkqnscetxhxsn) left ##slackware. [10:23] well "It works!" is what should i expect? [10:23] yes [10:23] ;-) [10:24] what about the LAMP ? [10:24] vim /etc/httpd/httpd.conf -> at the bottom is the commented Include mod_php. uncomment it [10:24] then /etc/rc.d/rc.httpd restart [10:24] and you have php [10:25] slava _dp i already uncommented the php support line [10:26] Urugami (~AndChat@63.sub-97-3-59.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [10:26] vim /var/www/htdocs/test.php -> write some php code, then point the browser at localhost/test.php [10:26] is a good one [10:26] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:27] the test.php opens what i`ve typed in [10:27] i guess php is ok [10:27] does it run, or show the php code? [10:27] if it shows the code, then it's not ok :))) [10:28] well it shows what i typed in the test.php "some php code" [10:29] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Client Quit [10:29] did you restart apache after enabling php? [10:30] yeah [10:30] actually i edited before i started the apache [10:31] shows the php version [10:31] alrighty. [10:32] so i guess everything is ok with the PHP ? [10:32] Buggaboo (~Buggaboo@535316B2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:33] Action: slava_dp guesses as much =) [10:33] caoliver (~oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [10:34] caoliver (oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [10:34] Allow from all = access to the internet ? [10:34] http://localhost/manual/ [10:34] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:35] Raggs (~x@99-29-0-126.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:35] slava_dp that`s really cool , ok i will read a little bit [10:35] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [10:35] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Client Quit [10:35] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:36] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Client Quit [10:37] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:38] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:40] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [10:45] asarch (~asarch@189.188.198.169) joined ##slackware. [10:50] lemonzest (~lemonzest@cpc1-nott14-2-0-cust234.12-2.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:51] lemonzest (~lemonzest@cpc1-nott14-2-0-cust234.12-2.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. 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[11:24] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:24] pete` (~user@002.a.002.syd.iprimus.net.au) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:25] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [11:26] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:26] Huh [11:26] how do I enable init 4? [11:26] HUH? you run ''init 4'' :D [11:26] "enable" ? [11:26] huh? [11:26] slava_dp: too easy. [11:26] I vote we form a committee and investigate this enabling [11:26] how do i enable going to a store? [11:27] how do I enable food ? [11:27] alrighty, I appoint adaptr the head. [11:27] >_> [11:27] adaptr: nah, you need to be enabling action, not subject [11:27] So is it enabled by default? because I see x1:4:respawn:/etc/rc.d/rc.4 [11:27] WildWizard (~michael@ppp118-208-16-227.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:27] ananke: I can enable anything I bluddy well want to! it *still* won't be as stupid as what he said! [11:27] rafu (~rafu@92-227-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [11:28] Edogaa: "enable" is concept fail. [11:28] silence! [11:28] :/ [11:28] Okay, how do I get it so GDM is active everytime I have to log in [11:28] your system runs in a runlevel [11:28] Edogaa: rather than trying to use nomenclature that you're not familiar with, tell us in plain english what you want to do [11:28] Yes [11:28] at all times [11:28] ah, set the default to 4 then [11:28] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:28] Edogaa, /etc/inittab [11:28] /etc/inittab Edogaa [11:28] I'm in /etc/inittab [11:28] Edogaa: so your quest is on how to make runlevel 4 to be the default one :) [11:29] look closely :> you can figure it out [11:29] Uh-huh [11:29] shonudo (user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [11:29] Edogaa: 'default' is the key word [11:29] "default runlevel" is a good clue [11:30] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [11:30] Action: pupit game is played hot-n-cold on ## [11:30] marco! [11:30] err, wrong game [11:30] >_> I was looking in the wrong part of inittab [11:32] Edogaa: id:3:initdefault: <-------------change this to--------------> id:4:initdefault: [11:33] Thanks but I did that already when I mentioend I was looking in the segment. [11:35] my google, better than yours, better than yours... [11:35] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) joined ##slackware. [11:37] nick4 (~fffeop@77.49.56.154.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: [11:38] Roin (~florian@pD9555EA6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:38] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:39] Cr1kk4 (~alpha@93-45-20-20.ip100.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [11:42] Roin (~florian@pD9555EA6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:07] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@static-200-105-*.acelerate.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [12:07] pupuserbdb52a kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: matrix, you can keep your attempted insults (U fagest dont help ME!) - they suck anyway. [12:08] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:09] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:11] gm152 (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [12:12] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:12] asarch (~asarch@189.188.198.169) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:18] can someone help me to install flash player in konqueror ? [12:20] 64 bit or 32 bit? [12:20] 32bit [12:20] did u tryed that from adobe website? [12:20] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:21] well i got the adobe flash player in mozilla firefox [12:21] it should be automatically find it and use it ... [12:22] oxiredo_ro do you have any idea? [12:22] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [12:23] at configure-> configure konqueror go to modules and add the path to libflashplayer [12:24] adrien: thanks for the advice earlier, took about 10 minutes to do and worked a treat =) [12:25] back to happy slack =) [12:25] \o/ [12:25] + Plugin /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so [12:25] i guess it has it but not working ? [12:25] also liking the new flash sqaure performance [12:25] can finally stream 1080p =) [12:25] =) [12:26] flash should go open source [12:26] and keep my coffee warm :) [12:26] first it should go open source to microsoft developers so they can ensure it's secure! HAHAHAH$%^&%$ [12:26] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [12:28] strash, what "ls /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so" say ? [12:28] rdm_arw (~rdm_arw@189.117.172.251) joined ##slackware. [12:29] no such file [12:30] yourmom (~jeremym@173-29-173-165.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [12:30] it should probably be in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ [12:30] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:31] do find / -iname libflashplayer.so 2> /dev/null [12:31] mine is in mozilla/plugins [12:31] ah it worked [12:31] i just copied it to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins [12:31] oh;ok :) [12:32] thanks guys [12:33] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [12:37] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [12:37] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:39] rdm_arw (~rdm_arw@189.117.172.251) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:42] ruben23 (~ITadmin@125.212.40.2) joined ##slackware. [12:43] hi guys how do i delete the wipe out all the partition and data on the HDD-250Gb /dev/sdb on this output-------> http://pastebin.com/GZQ540f2 [12:44] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [12:45] man dd [12:45] of=/dev/sdb and if=/dev/null will erase _everything_ [12:47] WildWizard (~michael@ppp118-208-41-9.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:48] ruben23, y wanna delete linux?:) [12:49] g3man (~wojciech@abnt139.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:50] oxiredo_ro: this is a second hardisk which i plan to backup data on my main HDD system of slack server adn also how do i make this HDD be able to be detected by windows since im planning to copy and ope the file on windows.. [12:50] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:52] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [12:52] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:52] I would just run fdisk, delete the partitions, then make a new ntfs partition [12:52] that's too fast! :P [12:54] clavius: with fdisk, how to add ntfs partition..? any guide [12:54] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:54] ruben23: "new" -> create partition -> "type" [12:54] type m for menu, pretty much tells it all [12:54] oops that's for cfdisk .. not fdisk :) [12:54] it is not easyer to use cfdisc ? [12:55] oxiredo_ro: I think so. [12:55] although fdisk is probably more powerful than cfdisk. [12:55] 'h' [12:55] help :p [12:55] personal choice i guess, i've just always used fdisk [12:55] root___ (~root@524B83CE.cm-4-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:56] living on the edge today root___ [12:56] what option should i select form this option for ntfs partition..? [12:56] http://pastebin.com/NX8qtnu8 [12:56] t for type enter 7 [12:56] hello,can you tell me if there is some "gadget" that show how many CPUs ,RAM,CPU Temperature,HDD use and so on ... is available (built-in) in slackware 13.1 [12:56] anyone lucky to get gigolo to work ? [12:56] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:56] dang root mode .. [12:56] quit [12:56] root___ (~root@524B83CE.cm-4-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) left irc: Client Quit [12:57] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:57] gkrellm maybe [12:57] clavius is this for me ? [12:57] conky [12:57] for KDE ? [12:57] mr-S^b43 (~Mr-S^b32@524B83CE.cm-4-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:57] strash: lmsensors, cat /proc/cpu info, df(1) etc [12:57] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [12:57] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Changing host [12:57] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) joined ##slackware. [12:57] gkrellm is UGLY [12:57] strash, yes [12:58] any lucky one here getting gigolo to work with fluxbox ? [12:58] well it looks nice :) [12:58] he didn't say "and is very pretty with pretty lights and graphics :) [12:58] BP{k}: I'm actually using conky: have an always visible bar which updates every five seconds, very nice to spot abnormal traffic and unexpected cpu/mem usage [12:58] damn "gkrellm &" closes after i close xterm [12:59] disown [12:59] "conky" :command not found [12:59] strash use gkrellm & disown [12:59] conky is not included but slackbuilds.org has a slackbuild for it [13:00] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:00] i don`t see my pppoe tab [13:00] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:01] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [13:01] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Changing host [13:01] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) joined ##slackware. [13:01] i will see how conky looks like in google [13:01] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [13:01] conky can look very sexy if you tweakit ;-) [13:02] edthix (~ed@115.133.247.147) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [13:02] damn conky looks better [13:02] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) joined ##slackware. [13:02] but i don`t want something that`s not built-in [13:03] if you have sbopkg installed, there should be no problem installing conky [13:03] even if you don't .. there should be no problem installing conky. [13:03] i don`t have sbopkg [13:04] good point [13:04] and i think i don`t need it [13:04] its worth chekcing out, trust me on this one [13:04] i installed skype without it - i guess i can do it without it [13:04] personally speaking I think people should first get to grips with installing slackbuilds the normal way before using sbopkg, just so they understand the general process behind it. [13:05] well that is true. [13:05] well, i got the idea of slackbuilds after i installed skype [13:05] mr-S^b43: and yeah , I quite often use sbopkg to compile deps ;) [13:06] and make updates ._. [13:06] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [13:06] oh yeah, the deps. without the webpage to track them down, my life would be much shorter lived [13:06] how to make gkrellm start after startx? [13:06] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [13:06] go to .kde/Autostart ? [13:07] oh speaking of deps. Did anyone get gigolo to work ? I tried and tried, but still banging my haed against the table [13:07] conky works well with kde 4.5? [13:07] mr-S^b43: to work as in "compiling" or? [13:07] or actually make connections to remote filesystems. [13:07] well compiling is the issue, i got the deps but it is still biting me [13:08] 616 out of 872 MB RAM is free [13:08] so how much Linux requires ? [13:08] mr-S^b43: hm let me have a look. :) [13:08] isn`t it too small - i got skype , Xchat ,gkrellm ,startx runing [13:08] i heard of many brave slackers trying gigolo. as far as i know they failed [13:08] strash: normal [13:08] kde? [13:09] oh what a lovely mess of gnome deps ;) [13:09] KDE4 reports using 294 mb of ram here [13:09] then i got is compiled and installed, but it will make no conenctions [13:09] gv is the issue, they cant talk to each other [13:09] 275MB of ram used on my machine [13:10] 350 on my (firefox, irc, amarok) [13:10] guys can i copy file from my linux HDD to another hdd with ntfs system within a slack server..the main HDD is the linux file system. [13:10] 205 here [13:11] yes you can [13:11] ruben23: yes ofc [13:11] ruben23: u want to copy from windows ? [13:11] as far a i know linux recognizes NTFS,although windows don`t recognise ex2,3 or 4 [13:11] ext2 and 3 yes [13:11] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:12] but ext4 no [13:12] windows recognises ex2 and 3 ? [13:12] windows does not natively but with some extra software, it can [13:12] that`s nice [13:12] yes [13:12] of course [13:12] what about ex4 ? [13:12] i guess not [13:12] not support yet [13:13] damn... i knew i shouldn`t use ex4 [13:13] g3man: form linux file system HDD to an ntfs HDD [13:13] rafu (~rafu@92-227-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se) joined ##slackware. [13:13] u can convert form ext4 to ext3 [13:13] ruben23: no problem [13:14] ruben23: just mount if u have ntfs-3g and fuse installed [13:14] mithridates (~chatzilla@CPE001d0fea140b-CM001bd7cc09e0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [13:14] g3man is there any chance to change my ex4 to ex3 without loosing any information ? [13:14] yes [13:15] errr i saw something strange -swap 0M-0M free although i have 1.5 GB for it [13:15] but guys one more i tried to partiiton a backup second hdd i connect to my slackware server now i was patitioning it with fdisk and select NTFS then add partiton but it display linux file system, why not NTFS..? [13:15] Hey guys, I get "Bad magic number in super-block" error from my external usb hard drive, I am wondering how can I completely format it and make the file system from scratch because I don't have any data on that [13:15] mr-S^b43: damnit .. the dependency list for gvfs is long and fugly and circular. [13:16] told ya, i tried, but i will fight this one other day. and gvfs will not talk to gigolo.:( [13:16] mr-S^b43: perhaps email the maintainer? [13:17] gvfs (gconf (Orbit2), avahi (libdaemon:gtk-sharp (mono)), libsoup (libproxy ; gnome-keyring(libtasn1, Gconf (Orbit2))) <-- the deps for gvfs %] [13:17] ruben23, does 'free' show swap is there ? if not, swapon /dev/blah [13:17] well i choose fusesmb and the gold old MC. works flawless :) [13:17] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [13:17] MC still rocks [13:17] swap on .. swap off .... one day your kungfu will be strong. :P [13:18] ha ha :P [13:18] OMG [13:18] Buggaboo (~Buggaboo@535316B2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:18] swap on ? [13:18] EXT4 is now supported in Windows [13:18] i don`t think there is such command [13:18] ok tell me about my swap [13:19] why it doesn`t recognize or use it ? [13:19] AnTourter_ (~gggjlt@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:19] swap is like pagefiling in windows. once your mem runs out, it will use the swap drive. It cannot be used like a normal prtition [13:19] it's solved [13:20] AnTourter_ (~gggjlt@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:20] mithridates: how? [13:20] jaminja (~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:20] strash: to "see" the swapon command, you need to be root, as it resides in /sbin/ [13:21] so how can i be sure my swap will be used when i run out of RAM ? [13:21] BP{k}, gvfs should only *depend* on dbus, udev, and a few other obvious ones; everything else is optional [13:21] swapon gives options [13:21] it's automatic :> [13:22] g3man: disk utility in ubuntu solved it, it's weird because I tried everything; cfdisk, gparted, even acronis by windows... [13:22] finally disk utility easily solved it by create a new partition and filesystem [13:23] ;-) [13:23] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:23] jaminja (~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja) joined ##slackware. [13:24] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@92.84.195.51) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:25] is it normal when xterm calls a program to close it after i close the xterm(do i need to use "program & disown" ? [13:25] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [13:25] yes [13:25] its normal [13:26] what about desktop themes for KDE ? [13:26] Srbo (~Srbo@ip-81-210-224-157.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [13:26] i am using the default but i don`t like it so much :) [13:26] if you exit, logout, or use ctrl-d, instead of hitting the X close button, that won't happen and you won't need to use disown [13:27] erik thanks alot [13:27] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:27] works :) [13:27] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-224.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [13:28] strash: what KDE do u use? [13:28] ctrl+d closes the Xterm ? 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[13:29] no change appearance [13:29] is available [13:29] damn i gotta go [13:29] thanks alot people [13:30] well it has been a while, I am using Fluxbox, but the last option should take you to the desktop manager [13:30] g3man (wojciech@abnt139.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [13:30] /dev/sdb1 1 30401 244196001 83 Linux <-----------this display on adding partion its not ntfs.. [13:31] very good :> [13:31] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:32] thrice`: how do i create ntfs partiton..? and do i have to add swap..? :-( pls [13:33] http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-US&q=create%20ntfs%20partition%20linux&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 [13:33] using safari? google told us [13:33] :) [13:34] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. 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[13:57] uh a govt that knows how to use 4 - 0days [13:57] i dont think so [13:58] mr-S^b43 (~Mr-S^b32@524B83CE.cm-4-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:00] Cr1kk4 (alpha@93-45-20-20.ip100.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware. [14:01] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [14:01] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.252.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:08] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@static-200-105-*.acelerate.net expired. [14:08] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@static-200-105-*.acelerate.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:17] [hireme]rhisa (~rhisa@ool-457ab193.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [14:17] [hireme]rhisa (~rhisa@ool-457ab193.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Changing host [14:17] [hireme]rhisa (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) joined ##slackware. [14:22] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3f85e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:23] <[hireme]rhisa> Morning. [14:24] <[hireme]rhisa> I am curious, do Slackware in any way determine UI or is that completely left to DE like KDE? [14:24] xwmconfig [14:24] that question made no sense to me [14:25] <[hireme]rhisa> mancha, was thinking of Fedora and this article: http://www.linux.com/learn/docs/ldp/282996-choosing-the-best-linux-distributions-for-you [14:25] <[hireme]rhisa> I was going through my email subscription and thought of something, it makes sense in my head. [14:25] xwmconfig [14:25] ok, let me check. [14:25] <[hireme]rhisa> They say Fedora has the best "UI experience" and "because its development team is constantly focused on the end-user experience." [14:26] <[hireme]rhisa> I should reword my original question but it made me think about the article's judgment on what is considered best. [14:27] NyteOwl (~nodezero@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [14:27] it doesn't say this... [14:27] it says ubuntu edges out competitors fedora andopensuse because ubuntu is always focused on teh end-user experience [14:27] <[hireme]rhisa> No no, first category. [14:28] <[hireme]rhisa> Oh my bad. [14:28] <[hireme]rhisa> I overlooked that. [14:28] "its development team" is referring to Ubuntu [14:28] <[hireme]rhisa> Yep. In any case, how exactly does any distribution focus on end user experience? [14:29] ubuntu does by taking away the rough edges [14:29] the argument they make is the end-user experience is improved by the vast number of automatic configuration tools and other ease-of-use systems [14:29] integrates the desktop with other parts of the system [14:29] YaST in openSUSE is that [14:29] sqame argumeent Macro$haft uses [14:30] <[hireme]rhisa> I mean how much more automatic tools can you use? The only thing I can think of at the moment is slackpkg that I use everyday but that's about it. [14:30] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:31] <[hireme]rhisa> The main thing most users have to worry about is upgrading their packages to keep up to date with the security, what else? [14:31] you use slackpkg everyday? [14:31] <[hireme]rhisa> KaMii, no more like every week on Sunday. [14:31] <[hireme]rhisa> I meant in a routine basis. [14:31] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@190.176.142.40) joined ##slackware. [14:31] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@190.176.142.40) left irc: Changing host [14:31] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [14:31] <[hireme]rhisa> I should think before I type. :] Sorry. [14:31] why not just run it when the changelog is updated? [14:32] I have the head of the changelog paste into my conky, so I see when its updated [14:32] <[hireme]rhisa> I know. [14:33] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:33] speaking of which... i see we had another update lastnite.. haha I have it posted on my desktop and still I miss updates [14:34] hirem, slackware requires user interaction for many tasks and that is something most fans welcome. some people don't like this [14:34] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.243.130) joined ##slackware. [14:35] _many_ people don't want to dive deep into the system. [14:36] it doesn't take much to realize the differences between admining/using a slackware system and an ubuntu one. hell, just fire up an ubuntu live cd or ubuntu wm and see the differences yourself. [14:36] maybe live cd is bad since you won't get to see the differences in the initial installation process, so VM is moar better. [14:36] <[hireme]rhisa> mancha, no, I did. I burnt the Kubuntu live CD and it booted straight into KDE with root access. [14:36] van_ (~van@adsl-128.109.242.240.tellas.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:37] <[hireme]rhisa> Hm. [14:37] root access? last time I booted ubuntu, it logged in as 'ubuntu'. [14:38] hexhawk (~hawk@unaffiliated/hexhawk) joined ##slackware. [14:38] do you go into init 1 when you run slackpkg? [14:38] KaMii, init 3 is recommended. [14:38] if not distro upgrade, then you may want init 1. [14:38] for me, it depends on what is being updated, if its just firefox, then I dont even change [14:39] v4nelle (~van@79.107.251.101) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:39] would you really see a difference if you didnt? [14:39] i mean, would it be bad? [14:39] <[hireme]rhisa> slava_dp, I don't remember then. [14:39] <[hireme]rhisa> I'd take a photo just to prove I booted into it but I wouldn't remember. [14:40] ''id'' output would be enough =) [14:40] <[hireme]rhisa> I just know even with Ubuntu I'd still manually edit things by hand. [14:40] the problem with articles like that "best distro" one is they almost always leave out the important stuff: how did they rank them? [14:40] this one for example just makes statements like "because it is more concerned with the end-user experience" or similar. how is that measured? how do you know? [14:40] <[hireme]rhisa> mancha, indeed. linux.com typically produce quality articles but this one made me blink. [14:40] etc [14:41] im always afraid to edit the 'automatic' distros by hand, because they have so much carp running and automated tasks.... [14:41] or "support is better" how is that measured? average time from bug report -> resolution? availability of mailing lists? 800 number? :) [14:41] <[hireme]rhisa> KaMii, never thought about that. [14:41] I used to edit stuff by hand on opensuse and had yast overwrite it :-( [14:42] <[hireme]rhisa> mancha, I actually assumed that better support meant more people in their IRC channel(s). [14:42] <[hireme]rhisa> slava_dp, wow. [14:42] that might be how they measured it, who knows. but all that tells me is what i already know, that ubuntu is the most popular distrib. [14:42] not that its support is better. [14:42] van_ (~van@adsl-128.109.242.240.tellas.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:43] <[hireme]rhisa> Well Linus said that the more eyes there are, the more quickly a problem can be solved. [14:43] <[hireme]rhisa> Perhaps that's the mentality they went by. [14:44] <[hireme]rhisa> It's true though, the more popular an OS is, the more likely they will find a solution for your problem, whatever it may be. [14:44] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@r74-192-29-7.bcstcmta01.clsttx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [14:44] that isn't true, and it contradicts the end-user experience argument. [14:45] if we assume most people choose ubuntu becuase it is hands-off (ie they don't get their hands dirty) then you can't count them when you're adding up the people who can potentially solve the prolem [14:45] <[hireme]rhisa> Hm.. [14:46] <[hireme]rhisa> I guess in that case we can't count end users as people who can potentially learn to fix problems. [14:46] right, they're the ones who say "dunno, all i do is click that button and it updates things for me" [14:46] that means Micro$oft is at the bottom of the list [14:46] not the same thing. there's a big difference between unable to learn how, and unwilling [14:46] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:47] becuase their sourcecode is locked, only micro$oft employees can develop and fix issues [14:47] <[hireme]rhisa> KaMii, that's called proprietary software. [14:48] ya, but it still puts them at the bottom of the list [14:48] anyways, unless you can produce some objective measures and use them to generate a ranking all these articles turn out to be is someone's (or a group's) opinion. [14:48] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:48] regular users cannot make changes to their code [14:48] and opinions are like annoying cell phone rings, everyone's got one. [14:48] mancha: everything on the internet is someones opinion, even yes, wikipedia [14:49] <[hireme]rhisa> KaMii, that's not true. [14:49] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [14:49] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Changing host [14:49] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) joined ##slackware. [14:49] <[hireme]rhisa> wikipedia is not someone's opinion. [14:49] it's certainly not a full consensus [14:49] <[hireme]rhisa> adaptr, it's not but it's actually great education tool. [14:49] <[hireme]rhisa> We need something like this in China, for example. [14:49] wikipedia is also not authoratative [14:50] <[hireme]rhisa> wikipedia is the definition of democracy. [14:50] um. I don't see what that has to do with the previous discussion [14:50] <[hireme]rhisa> NyteOwl, that I agree with. [14:50] hardly, rhisa [14:50] <[hireme]rhisa> adaptr, dunno, topic changes. [14:50] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:50] [hireme]rhisa: that's not a valid argument when you're responding to that previous discussion [14:50] they did a study recently...and by recently i mean several years ago. basically to compare the amount of mistakes (% wise) between the commercial, professional encyclopedia brittanica and wikipedia. [14:50] <[hireme]rhisa> adaptr, how come? If enough people agrees on it and it is true by evidence, proof, etc (notice the and) then it must be true and should be put down on wikipedia. [14:50] i still think its opinion, lots of opinion everywhere, what is fact? [14:51] the result is they have about the same percentage of inaccuracies :) [14:51] g3man (~wojciech@abnt139.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:51] hi again, slackers ;] [14:51] <[hireme]rhisa> mancha, really? Even with this many people disputing it? [14:51] [hireme]rhisa: "fact" and "sufficient proof" are very strictly defined [14:51] guys whast the umask of this permission on my file and directory---> http://pastebin.com/w8Sq23Gg [14:51] <[hireme]rhisa> adaptr, You mean sufficient evidence? Because proof means that, proof. [14:51] hirem, yes, it was an interesting result. [14:51] [hireme]rhisa: 500 years ago everyone believed the world was flat too :p [14:51] <[hireme]rhisa> mancha, I'd love to see it. [14:51] ruben23: the inverse if whatever you have now [14:52] <[hireme]rhisa> NyteOwl, no, but it wasn't true because there was no proof for it. [14:52] <[hireme]rhisa> NyteOwl, notice I said "note the and". You need both. [14:52] and it is why brittanica is going to go under...they can't demonstrate they are better than the freely available and community driven competitor [14:52] they had lots of proof as far as thy weree ckoncerned :) [14:52] [hireme]rhisa: no, it does not. it it can be proven then nobody needs to agree with it. it's still true. [14:52] <[hireme]rhisa> NyteOwl, then we must define proof and I meant that in a strict sense. [14:52] anyway - just makijng a point that wikipedia is as prone to error as any other sourcee [14:52] 027. [14:52] sometimes more so. [14:53] <[hireme]rhisa> adaptr, it has to be agreed upon, because we could be touching on a polsci subject or a law, then we definitely need people to agree on this. [14:53] adaptr: what is it..? im not able to understand yet what umask do. [14:53] umask masks out permission bits [14:53] [hireme]rhisa: none of those can be scientifically proven. please, don't make this a semantic pissfest. admit it's not inclusive [14:53] parts of it are very accurate and other horrendously wrong. unfortuantely it's in flux between the two states, and while it makes a good starting point, should never be used as a sole reference [14:53] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.243.130) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:53] g3man (wojciech@abnt139.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [14:54] <[hireme]rhisa> adaptr, that's what I meant, if you still disagree, we'll have to agree to disagree. [14:54] [hireme]rhisa: you're simply wrong. consensus doesn't enter into it. [14:54] <[hireme]rhisa> NyteOwl, true, I never use wiki in my college papers. [14:54] <[hireme]rhisa> adaptr, okay if you say so. Consensus has to enter into it whether it's scientific or political. Peer review is an example of such. [14:55] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Quit: Quitte [14:55] v4nelle (~van@79.107.198.113) joined ##slackware. [14:55] [hireme]rhisa: different levels. really, finish your education first [14:55] yesyes (~yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) joined ##slackware. [14:55] i am less negative on wikipedia. i think for general knowledge type stuff and basic facts on people/places it is pretty good. in highly technical areas i think it suffers a bit. [14:55] <[hireme]rhisa> adaptr, I like how you now throw in an insult because you disagree. [14:55] mancha: that's funny, it should be the opposite [14:56] <[hireme]rhisa> Off to ignore you go. [14:56] [hireme]rhisa: how am I insulting you ? you're the one touting it. [14:56] hmm, i was wondering if most slackware users distaste for dependency management extends to freebsd's ports system? [14:56] <[hireme]rhisa> adaptr, touting my education? When did I do such a thing in this discussion? [14:56] [hireme]rhisa: i will hire you [14:56] adaptr not really, there are fewer knowledgable authorities the more specific and technical you get. [14:56] too many to list [14:57] mancha: however, the actual science is less in doubt. any data about persons is by definition unverifiable [14:57] g3man (~wojciech@abnt139.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:57] untrue, birthdates are verifiable [14:57] <[hireme]rhisa> adaptr, I was merely agreeing that wiki isn't authoritative, and that it has more positives than negatives. [14:57] if they give the years FDR was president, that is verifiable, etc [14:57] <[hireme]rhisa> mancha, hush, adaptr might be one of those Obama birthers. [14:57] [hireme]rhisa: you were going to ignore me [14:57] still waiting for that [14:57] <[hireme]rhisa> adaptr, don't worry, I take time to type out people's name. It is done now. [14:58] twat [14:58] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.233.59) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:58] anyways, that is what i have found in my experience....that the more general the knowledge the less errors in the articles... [14:59] so nothing scientific, just one user's experience with wikipedia [14:59] I'd like some examples [14:59] yesyes: I think it's more that slack users dislike delike automated dependency systems that don't work. Right now, that's all/most of them :) [14:59] <[hireme]rhisa> mancha, I definitely like wikipedia and see it as a good thing. It has made referencing easier, at the very least. [14:59] and i'd like some ice cream [14:59] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [14:59] Action: dustybin [hireme]rhisa i have sent you a donation [14:59] if mozilla-firefox-4.0b6 from TESTING use ~/.mozilla directory? [15:00] can I normally upgrade firefox package? [15:00] mancha me too. pistachio :) [15:00] upgradepkg moz... [15:00] <[hireme]rhisa> dustybin, did you? :) [15:00] g3man: what's TESTING [15:00] <[hireme]rhisa> g3man, if you are asking you should not use the testing version. [15:00] slackware current TESTING dir [15:01] it's beta i want to chech new firefox [15:01] check [15:01] NyteOwl: do you think freebsd's dependency management system doesn't work? [15:01] <[hireme]rhisa> I couldn't help but notice the irony of the argument adaptr and I had. He doesn't need people to agree on fact, yet he tried so hard to get me to agree with him. [15:01] <[hireme]rhisa> Just thought I should throw that out. Remember, consensus is important too. [15:02] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:02] <[hireme]rhisa> yesyes, it does work. What do you mean by doesn't work? [15:02] yesyyes: it works better in Freebsd than any of Linux's do. [15:02] NyteOwl: k. thanks. 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[15:36] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:37] damn watching vidoes through flash player brings my CPU to 100 % [15:38] unixlearner (~bnhashmi@119.153.132.113) joined ##slackware. [15:39] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [15:39] hi all [15:40] <[hireme]rhisa> Hi unixlearner. [15:40] getting some issue with ldapadd need help [15:41] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:42] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:43] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [15:43] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Changing host [15:43] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) joined ##slackware. [15:45] olivier__ (~olivier@74-210-248-150.ri.cgocable.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:45] Urugami (~AndChat@adsl-177-232-18.msy.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[16:16] this is the 1st line [16:16] ou=tech,dc=example,dc=com [16:16] all lines are in same formating [16:16] in the ldif [16:16] yes [16:17] thats a bas line [16:17] bad* [16:17] olivier__ (~olivier@74-210-248-150.ri.cgocable.ca) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:17] how i can fix [16:17] use the right syntax :) [16:18] dn: ou=tech,dc=example,dc=com [16:18] objectClass: organizationalUnit [16:18] ou: tech [16:18] start the line with dn: ou=tech ... [16:19] and what if ou name consist white spaces [16:21] the comma is the delimiter [16:21] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Quit: You Welcome to join my channel ##Iraqi [16:22] poprocks (logan@CPE00236934deab-CM0012253dec94.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware. [16:23] unixlearner, try escaping it "\ " or "\20" [16:23] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.116.200) joined ##slackware. [16:23] i find this image inspirational: http://nathan.chantrell.net/blog-images/alan-puters.jpg [16:23] <[hireme]rhisa> The old days. 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[16:51] jeev (~email@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:51] s4lv4d0r (1000@190.73.168.246) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:51] Action: FrankD raises an eyebrow [16:51] hmm [16:52] wonder if this Athlon II X4 is gonna work in this motherboard [16:52] now the supported CPU list doesnt mention Athlon IIs.... :P [16:52] rhisa, do you think that people will hire you with that prefix really? (Not trying to rain on your parade) [16:52] it just seems a little desperate [16:53] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-185-230.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:54] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-3-80.kotinet.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:56] [hireme]rhisa, ? [16:56] ah well, here goes nothing [16:56] FrankD (~frankd@cpe-24-161-1-107.hvc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:56] I sense a new kernel reboot [16:56] <[hireme]rhisa> dive, no. I do not. But you never know. [16:56] s4lv4d0r (1000@190.73.168.246) joined ##slackware. [16:57] <[hireme]rhisa> I know someone in #web who got hired by google though and he didn't have the [hireme] tag. Personally it looks nice imo. [16:57] [hireme]rhisa, what work experience do you have? [16:57] <[hireme]rhisa> dive I'm a student. [16:58] Have you thought about getting involved with an open source project for the experience? [16:58] <[hireme]rhisa> Of course but I don't count that as an experience. [16:58] something you can do while studying [16:58] <[hireme]rhisa> How can they verify such experience? If so then I'm very experienced. [16:58] it's experience [16:58] oldtopman (3fe1f819@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.225.248.25) joined ##slackware. [16:59] <[hireme]rhisa> Really? How can I put that down on my resume? From what month/year to what month/year? [16:59] unixlearner (~bnhashmi@119.153.132.113) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:59] <[hireme]rhisa> I thought you put on your experience something you file tax for, otherwise it's not experience. [16:59] unixlearner (~bnhashmi@119.153.132.113) joined ##slackware. [16:59] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:59] Warning!: I appreciate your help, but I may leave withoust a thank-you or gbye. I am sorry if this happens. Now to the question. [17:00] well you would likely put it down not as work, but maybe interests perhaps [17:00] why don't you just thank in advance [17:00] <[hireme]rhisa> dive, can you show me a sample resume that reflect the format you are suggesting? [17:00] experiend is doing work, nothing to do with paying taxes [17:00] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:00] I did a clean install of slackware 13.1(64 bit) and am a little annoyed by kde. [17:00] <[hireme]rhisa> dive, you pay tax on your work. I know if that's the case, I'm very experienced, combining gov't work that has nothing to do with my major. [17:00] <[hireme]rhisa> If you work and don't pay tax, it's tax evasion. [17:01] It works well but this akonadi thing is driving me insane [17:01] <[hireme]rhisa> oldtopman, xwmconfig [17:01] mootpuppet (~mootpuppe@infectedtech.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:01] any advice? P.S. TIA [17:01] [hireme]rhisa, I'm not suggesting tax evasion! [17:01] xwmconfig just dows "what wm do you want?" [17:01] brb [17:01] oldtopman you can run an earlier kde if you'd like or switch to another DE or WM [17:02] oldtopman, if you run xwmconfig in a terminal you can choose what starts with 'startx' [17:02] <[hireme]rhisa> dive, I know, but please show me a resume. I can show you my resume if you want. [17:02] <[hireme]rhisa> I mean a resume sample that reflects what you are suggesting. [17:02] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [17:03] well for example in interests on mine I have said that I'm a volunteer IT Manager at our local museum [17:03] <[hireme]rhisa> Hm, do you only put down relevant experience? [17:03] I could perhaps also mention it elsewhere [17:03] <[hireme]rhisa> Like I have worked with the IRS before. [17:03] <[hireme]rhisa> But that has nothing to do with computer science or programming. [17:03] IRS? [17:04] (I'm from the UK) [17:04] UK RuleZ [17:04] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-224.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:04] <[hireme]rhisa> Oh, Internal Revenue Service. [17:04] <[hireme]rhisa> Basically I'm the tax collector. [17:04] right, I thought it might be [17:04] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:05] Action: [hireme]rhisa wears the stone dodger cloak. Rhisa's dodging stone increases by 5. [17:05] well you should of course point out the most relevant experience but there's nothing wrong with putting down that you worked with IRS [17:06] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3f85e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [17:06] <[hireme]rhisa> Well it's irrelevant. [17:06] <[hireme]rhisa> I was doing finance / gov't related work. I was not doing programming nor was I anywhere near a computer. :| [17:06] ok [17:06] <[hireme]rhisa> So should I put that down or not? [17:07] <[hireme]rhisa> Other folks told me I should not, but then that made my "relevant" resume very.. small, only one page. [17:07] there's no reason why you shouldn't unless it takes up too much space [17:07] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:07] If anything perhaps there are 'working skills' there [17:07] <[hireme]rhisa> No but.. it's not relevant. Copy and pasted "it's irrelevant, the employers want to know what you can do for them". [17:08] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-82-141-69-2.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [17:08] right, that's why you should bolster the relevant bits [17:08] <[hireme]rhisa> Oh. [17:09] <[hireme]rhisa> I dunno how to do that.. what would I say? [17:09] <[hireme]rhisa> Btw that almost sounded like resume padding, haha. [17:10] Urugami (~AndChat@adsl-177-232-18.msy.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:10] first off if I were you I would look at some open source projects, find one you like and see how you can help [17:10] <[hireme]rhisa> Hm. [17:10] <[hireme]rhisa> dive, how about I show you my current resume now? [17:10] get in touch with people [17:10] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:10] if you like [17:10] <[hireme]rhisa> Alright can I pm you? I wish to take this to private. [17:10] sure [17:11] *puts on english accent* Terribly sorry chaps. [17:12] oldtopman, I don't understand what you asking - you want to change from kde to something else? xwmconfig allows you to do that. [17:12] I want KDE as my wm. How do I do that whilst removing that annoying akonadi error menu [17:12] ah [17:12] which kde version? [17:12] Sorry if I was confusing erlier. [17:13] I don't know. I just installed slackware 13.1 64bit and ran update-all [17:13] er. upgrade-all [17:13] right, iirc there is an option to turn it off in system settings [17:14] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [17:14] I think I did that, some people even removepkg it [17:14] and what does akonadi get me? would I lose any functionality by removing it? [17:16] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:16] some apps use it but I forget which [17:17] Now that I think about it, I lose no functionality since it doesn't work anyway 8D [17:18] [oddthought]The network configuration in slackwae didn't recognise my mobo's ethernat so I googled for drivers. From said computer[/oddthought] [17:20] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:20] How do I start the BlueZ Daemon? [17:21] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [17:21] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [17:23] grazymax (~grazymax@host21-155-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:24] Wow. I am an idiot. Someone remind me to google before I open my mouth. fyi the command is "chmod 755 /etc/rc.d/rc.bluetooth" [17:24] Thanks for everything. See ya. [17:24] oldtopman (3fe1f819@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.225.248.25) left ##slackware. [17:25] <[hireme]rhisa> oldtopman, akonadi is meant to make your life easier. [17:25] that dosen't technically start it.... [17:25] <[hireme]rhisa> It is good for private data and metadata. [17:25] <[hireme]rhisa> oldtopman don't go! [17:25] <[hireme]rhisa> Gah, chmod +x starts it. [17:25] <[hireme]rhisa> Or something... he left. [17:25] On boot time, yes. [17:26] gtludwig (~gtl@187.112.71.199) joined ##slackware. [17:26] hello all [17:29] +x is also subject to edman007's objection [17:31] <[hireme]rhisa> mancha, blah I know. [17:31] <[hireme]rhisa> ln should do. [17:31] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:32] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) joined ##slackware. [17:34] spectre (kyle@pool-98-109-75-137.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [17:34] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [17:34] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [17:37] how can I label a usb key? [17:39] <[hireme]rhisa> gtludwig, label? [17:39] <[hireme]rhisa> fstab [17:39] permanent black marker [17:39] zounds (~zounds@80.85.119.46) joined ##slackware. [17:39] [hireme]rhisa, change the label... [17:40] gtludwig: what fs it has? [17:40] fat32 [17:40] <[hireme]rhisa> pupit, heh. [17:40] man mkdosfs [17:41] thanks ;) [17:41] you have to format it, label it with one command.. [17:41] i'd run an exact-o knife over the casing [17:42] mancha: show me the pic, ive forgot the look :) [17:48] omfg, compiling kopete is ridiculous. [17:48] nah.. compiling gnome is pure hell [17:50] i bet. i'm actually enjoying kde though. i don't think i want to go back to gnome. [17:50] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3f85e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:50] sluttyduck (~slut@66.161.224.139) left irc: Read error: No route to host [17:52] <[hireme]rhisa> sh4d0wl3ss, same, I don't have any prob with it. [17:52] Cr1kk4 (~fabio@93-45-127-250.ip102.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [17:52] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [17:52] does anyone know how to make it think kde4-config is the same as kde-config? [17:52] (the compiler, that is.) [17:52] [hireme]rhisa: yeah. how long have you been using kde? [17:52] artaud_ (~artaud@187.113.105.130) joined ##slackware. [17:52] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Client Quit [17:53] <[hireme]rhisa> A long time. [17:53] sh4dow, ln it? [17:53] <[hireme]rhisa> Many years. [17:53] artaud_ (~artaud@187.113.105.130) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:53] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [17:53] <[hireme]rhisa> ln -s, don't hard link it. [17:53] ln -s /usr/bin/kde4-config /usr/bin/kde-config [17:53] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Client Quit [17:53] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:53] tuxdev (~tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:53] <[hireme]rhisa> Yup. [17:54] mancha: what does that command DO, exactly? [17:54] <[hireme]rhisa> man ln [17:54] it makes a special file called kde-config which points to the real file kde4-conffig [17:54] <[hireme]rhisa> If you hard link it you might destroy the file. [17:54] oh, so it creates a symlink i take it? [17:55] <[hireme]rhisa> Symbolic link and hard link are not the same thing. [17:55] <[hireme]rhisa> But yes ln can create a symlink. [17:55] i realize that. i'm not sure of the difference though. [17:56] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [17:56] so why do you use the terms if you don't know what they mean? [17:57] <[hireme]rhisa> sh4d0wl3ss, big difference. [17:57] Is Squid proxy server installed in the default full install? [17:58] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/network/squid/ [17:58] no [17:58] thnx [18:01] [hireme]rhisa: i'll have to research it more. [18:01] FrankD (~frankd@cpe-24-161-1-107.hvc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:01] <[hireme]rhisa> sh4d0wl3ss, :) Good. [18:01] that did help though. now the compiler is saying that my Qt libs are either too new, but now new enough... or just too new. [18:02] lol [18:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-433350.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:05] zounds (~zounds@80.85.119.46) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:06] yeah. it says i need libs >= qt3.0 but < 4.0 [18:06] hurpa-durr. [18:07] ok, what are you trying to compie? [18:08] kopete [18:08] the slack repos are rather lame when it comes to install single packages. [18:08] so i'd rather just compile it. [18:08] does kopete need kde4/qt4? [18:09] ferdna (~yup@cpe-24-92-114-97.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:10] i'm kinda wondering. i know it will work for it, because it comes with the kde-network package. [18:11] ecelis (ecelis@NetBSD.si) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:11] you have kde4/qt4? [18:11] aarchvile (~aarchvile@ip-77.viapori.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [18:11] aarchvile (~aarchvile@ip-77.viapori.fi) joined ##slackware. [18:12] ecelis (ecelis@NetBSD.si) joined ##slackware. [18:12] yeah. [18:12] kopete is linked to 83 different libs, good luck trying to compile it standalone [18:12] ugh, gay! [18:13] sorry 82 was counting the EOF marker [18:13] EOF? [18:13] evanton (~cbbe@unaffiliated/evanton) joined ##slackware. [18:14] eof = end of file [18:14] oh. [18:14] lol [18:14] any other good chat programs for kde? [18:14] or am i sadly limited to kopete? [18:15] Slackware recommends putting the firewall rules to rc.firewall, it is called from rc.inet2 if present. Is there a recommended place to put QoS rules? [18:15] pidgin is gtk and only has 61 (most of the same libs are X itself) [18:16] yeah. i'm trying to avoid gtk [18:17] gtludwig (~gtl@187.112.71.199) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:18] why? [18:19] kvirc, ksirc, xchat, irsii ... [18:20] i just don't want to use a whole series of libraries for only one prog. [18:20] gtk isn't a whole series, that would be gnome which isn't required [18:23] _RadioHead (~Slackware@82.114.94.249) joined ##slackware. [18:23] _RadioHead (~Slackware@82.114.94.249) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:23] _RadioHead (~Slackware@82.114.94.249) joined ##slackware. [18:24] hmmmmm.... [18:24] interesting.ish. [18:24] lol [18:25] OK! [18:25] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. 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[18:53] whats the best way to manually update Chrome if I installed it with updates off (touch /etc/default/google-chrome)? [18:53] just download a new version? or is there a way to do it with some Google tool/within Chrome? [18:53] I use sbopkg [18:54] upgrade it now and agian [18:56] s4lv4d0r (1000@190.73.168.246) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:56] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [18:56] ah, didnt think there wouldve been an sbo package for that, thanks [18:57] so.. anyone here use SSDs in their computers? [18:57] wanted to know if anyone used the Kingston 425 series or anything based on the same controllers and if they had any problems [18:59] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:59] FrankD: i got samsung ssd in my laptop. not sure if that helps [19:00] ananke: any idea which one? and any comments on its performance? [19:00] which one what? [19:01] ananke: which Samsung SSD :P [19:01] ie [19:01] root@shrike:~# hdparm -i /dev/sda | grep Model [19:01] Model=WDC WD1200JB-00GVA0, FwRev=08.02D08, SerialNo=WD-WCALA1285594 [19:03] rheault (~rheault@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:03] ohh. you wanted a samsung model :) [19:03] SAMSUNG SSD PM800 TH 64GB, FwRev=VBM25D1Q, [19:03] ananke: well itd let me find out what controller it uses ;) [19:03] PEL0 (~PELO@189.28.196.96) joined ##slackware. [19:04] john_dee (~id@95-29-14-98.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:08] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:11] how to mount a ntfs drive on my slack server and it still be monuted even upon reboot [19:11] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:11] put it in /etc/fstab [19:12] clavius: the command for the mount..? 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[19:30] night all [19:31] NyteOwl (~nodezero@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: Addit Frena Feris [19:32] evanton (~cbbe@unaffiliated/evanton) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:33] PEL0 (~PELO@189.28.196.96) left irc: [19:35] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:36] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.237.105) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:38] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:38] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:39] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:42] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [19:52] Hm, developing for kernel is actually just demotivating, more so than difficulty. [19:54] lol [19:54] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:54] " get suckers^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hother " - Linus [19:54] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:54] rdm_arw (~rdm_arw@189.117.30.15) joined ##slackware. [19:56] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:56] Cr1kk4 (fabio@93-45-127-250.ip102.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware. [19:57] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.30.60) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [19:59] Check this out - http://www.kernel.org/diff/diffview.cgi?file=%2Fpub%2Flinux%2Fkernel%2Fv2.6%2Fnext%2Fpatch-v2.6.36-rc4-next-20100917.bz2;z=32 [19:59] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.24.215) joined ##slackware. [20:04] sdi (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/sdi) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:05] sdi (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/sdi) joined ##slackware. [20:06] ^kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A8C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [20:06] rdm_arw (~rdm_arw@189.117.30.15) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:08] dTd (~dTd@d-206-53-68-12.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:09] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:09] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [20:09] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:10] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A669.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [20:11] wow... springrts developer just told me they are not going to help slackware users with an issue on building their source code under slackware 13.1 x64, and they told me to get help from Slackware users...... [20:11] but they claim to support linux users and they help ubuntu users a lot [20:11] Well I would guess it's partly true. [20:11] well no shit, it's not their responsibility to make sure it works under any distro [20:11] Yeah that. [20:12] they prolly don't have the ability to support slackware [20:12] lannders (~lannders@193-25.26-24.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:12] just seems odd for them to pass off problems to slackware devs [20:12] lannders (~lannders@193-25.26-24.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:13] KaMii, not really, not at all. [20:13] Makes perfect sense. [20:13] he said it appears the problem is with SJLJ or Dwarf2 and when I asked what that is and if he could elaborate, the said to ask you guys [20:14] i think that often times they will support a generic linux option, but slackware isn't often directly supported anyway [20:14] Yeap. [20:14] KaMii, if you have to ask what dwarf is, it's going to be a pita. [20:14] Those are very specific topics that require some expertise. [20:14] sounds like they did due diligence, they found a stumbling block beyond their control and washed their hands of it [20:14] well from what I could find dwarf2 has to do with ELF [20:15] but i have no idea what SJLJ is [20:15] Setjump / longjump. [20:16] hi guys its possible to have one ip for all web server..? with different url only..? [20:16] yes, but ask in #httpd [20:21] pastebin.ca/1943842 [20:21] http://www.pastebin.ca/1943842 [20:22] rafu (rafu@92-227-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se) left ##slackware. [20:22] They were quite nice about it. [20:22] I don't use 64 though so sorry. [20:23] didnt say they were mean, just seemed odd to me that they referr me to Slackware devs, when a few weeks ago everyone in here told me to go to SpringRTS devs [20:23] so... i have no idea how ti fix this... [20:23] What's SpringRTS for? [20:24] its an opensource gaming app [20:24] (engine) [20:24] Okay I see. [20:25] there is a sbo for slackware 13.0 but something broke in 13.1 [20:25] v4nelle (~van@79.107.198.113) joined ##slackware. [20:26] Urugami (~AndChat@171.sub-97-197-53.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [20:26] I gave the spring devs a copy of the SBo but they still told me to talk to you guys [20:27] well, show some error or something about what broke [20:27] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:27] and I belive alienBOB is the maintainer on that SBo and when I asked him a few weeks ago he said he didnt know, so thats why I asked the spring devs [20:27] http://www.pastebin.ca/1943842 [20:28] that's a libpng1.4 error [20:28] ya, thats what I told them [20:28] but they said its SJLJ or Dwarf2 [20:29] my version of DevIL is 1.7.8 which is the latest stable version [20:29] but I have no idea what file needs to be patched for the libpng or how to write a patch [20:30] you're trying the latest version of spring? [20:30] yes, I also tried earlier versions [20:30] same problem [20:31] which I would assume would always happen because of the libpng version [20:31] Nick change: Urugami -> urugami_eating [20:31] and i dont want to downgrade libpng because that will cause a lot of other things to break (like celestia) [20:32] i'm hunting for a patch [20:32] i looked all over for a patch, if you find one, then your google chi is much much higher than mine [20:35] hba (~hba@189.130.161.141) joined ##slackware. [20:37] pete` (~user@008.a.002.syd.iprimus.net.au) joined ##slackware. [20:41] wow, indeed :( [20:44] gm152 (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:46] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [20:46] test34 (~test34@c-69-244-243-126.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:46] test34 (~test34@c-69-244-243-126.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [20:46] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [20:47] dTd (~dTd@d-206-53-68-12.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:50] gaming, meh, no wonder everyone passes the ball back and forth =p [20:50] shonudo (user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [20:50] ashe (~ashe@125.163.14.179) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:51] lol, well if its just a libpng issue then all that we need is to find the file and get a patch written, but i have no idea how to do this [20:52] it's likely libpng has been updated to fix other issues [20:52] and that broke aps using it >_> [20:52] libpng 1.4 changed that function, which is why it's dying [20:52] thus the aps need fixed [20:52] ashe (~ashe@125.163.14.201) joined ##slackware. [20:53] ya, i have noticed that when libpng updated to 1.4 apps started breaking [20:53] >_> imagine that [20:53] gm152 (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [20:54] strangely, though, spring doesn't actually depend on libpng [20:55] i know [20:55] dTd (~dTd@d-206-53-68-12.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:55] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [20:58] can I pass an argument in ./configure that will bypass or trick libpng? [20:58] PEL0 (~PELO@189.28.196.96) joined ##slackware. [20:59] i looked all over the ./configure options but I could not find anything that suggested or even discussed libpng [21:00] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:02] ^kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A8C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:04] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:04] ^kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A8C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [21:04] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [21:06] y3llow (~y3llow@111-240-219-251.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [21:06] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [21:06] y3llow (~y3llow@111-240-219-251.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:06] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:07] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) joined ##slackware. [21:09] KaMii: Have you installed all the slackware patchs packages? [21:10] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:11] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: [21:11] yes i am upto date on all patches [21:11] neonflux (~neonflux@205.248.100.252) joined ##slackware. [21:12] what is the error you get? [21:12] http://www.pastebin.ca/1943842 [21:12] v4nelle (~van@79.107.198.113) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:13] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [21:16] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:17] KaMii: that is a problem in Devil [21:17] imroot (~imroot@201.86.172.223.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:18] im running version 1.7.8 of DevIL [21:18] I also ran a previous version of DevIL but it too gave the same error [21:19] PEL0 (~PELO@189.28.196.96) left irc: [21:19] did you not compile devil yourself ? [21:20] yes i did [21:20] I compiled two separate versions of DevIL [21:21] ruben23 (ITadmin@125.212.40.2) left ##slackware. [21:21] but springRTS still gave the same error [21:21] Devil needs a libpng patch IIRC [21:22] odd, then why did it build? [21:22] should it not have failed? [21:23] jaminja (~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja) left irc: Quit: "eternal trails in netvoid" [21:24] sahko (~grbzks@ppp089210071254.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:24] sahko (~grbzks@ppp089210071254.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Changing host [21:24] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [21:25] FrankD (~frankd@cpe-24-161-1-107.hvc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [21:26] KaMii: I think during compile it falls back to libpng 1.2 but when it runs it uses linpng 1.4 and fails [21:26] well... thats ugly [21:26] http://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=230715 [21:27] slackware actually hackishly ships libpng 1.2 in the libpng package, which is probably why [21:27] yeah [21:28] hrm... why? is it because 1.4 is too new? [21:28] compatability I'd think [21:28] I think it is for some of the binary only software [21:29] figures, and we cant really have both versions running at the same time [21:29] seems libpng is making a huge headache for alot of people right now [21:30] Nick change: rhisa -> happyhappy [21:30] Nick change: happyhappy -> [hireme]Good [21:30] Nick change: Haram_Atom -> Gentian_Violent [21:31] Nick change: [hireme]Good -> rhisadotcom [21:31] rhisadotcom (rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [21:31] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [21:31] mac- (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [21:31] hi [21:32] I have 1,5 GB of RAM [21:32] and BIOS see it properly [21:32] asarch (~asarch@187.132.134.195) joined ##slackware. [21:32] but on Linux I see that /proc/meminfo report only 902800 kB [21:33] well [21:33] Dude, where is my mem ? [21:33] :) [21:33] hehehe [21:33] lol :-D [21:33] where's your mem dude? [21:33] Try top -d 1 [21:34] ok let me try this patch, I have to change the sbo first though [21:35] mac-: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ [21:36] sahko: that's talking about free ram reported by `free -m` [21:36] ..still [21:36] mac-: can you post all of /proc/meminfo to pastebin? [21:36] still nothing sahko [21:36] sure [21:36] nooper_: roger [21:37] eprod (~user@96-25-191-71.gar.clearwire-wmx.net) joined ##slackware. [21:37] http://pastebin.com/WC75bH5R [21:37] here you are [21:39] KaMii: I will see if I can't get this patch into SBo. [21:41] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@r74-192-29-7.bcstcmta01.clsttx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [21:42] well, wait XGizzmo [21:42] the SBo needs some changes [21:42] the package was not tarred correctly [21:43] its looking for DevIL-1.7.8 but it was tarred devil-1.7.8 and named DevIL-1.7.8 [21:44] plus there are three patches in the older version that are no longer needed [21:44] dont know, mac- [21:45] :/ [21:45] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [21:45] [ 0.000000] Warning only 895MB will be used. [21:45] [ 0.000000] Use a HIGHMEM enabled kernel. [21:45] dTd (~dTd@d-206-53-68-12.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:45] interesting [21:46] mac-, are you not using huge? [21:46] what do you mean ? [21:46] mac-: you using a custom kernel? [21:47] yes, I compiled it by myself [21:47] 2.6.35.4 [21:48] hehe [21:48] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [21:48] that info is useful at the begining of trying to debug [21:48] while configuring it, turn on highmem suppor [21:48] t [21:49] hm, probably I`ve missed thta option during configuration [21:50] ok, the patch took (with my super ugly sbo hack on that script) [21:50] and continuum_transfunctioner_support=y [21:50] now I am building springrts and going to see if it works [21:53] nooper_: where is this continuuum option i kernel ? [21:53] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6A880.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] never that mac-, it was just a joke from a movie [21:54] oh :) [21:56] ZMR (~Who_cares@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:56] ZMR (~Who_cares@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [21:57] no dice, now I get some more errors with that patch [21:57] goj (~goj@p5488E31B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:57] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:57] pete` (~user@008.a.002.syd.iprimus.net.au) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:57] http://pastebin.ca/1943888 [21:58] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Quit: shonudo [21:58] how do i make a compiler realize where my qt libraries are? [22:00] it should find them automagically unless you put them somewhere else [22:00] do you have qt installed? [22:01] otherwise i think you use the 'export' command [22:02] i do, but it's looking for qt3.0 or better, (and i have 4+) but it cannot find them. [22:03] rhisa (~rhisa@ool-457ab193.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [22:03] rhisa (~rhisa@ool-457ab193.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Changing host [22:03] rhisa (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) joined ##slackware. [22:03] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [22:04] if you have qt4 then you do not or should not have qt3 installed, what are you trying to build? [22:06] isnt there a package in the extras directory, someting for qt3 compatability [22:06] john_dee (~id@95-29-14-234.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:07] not that I see on 13.1 x64 [22:07] unless your looking in kde3-compat [22:08] but, im not messing with that, I dont think its supported [22:08] it is supported for 13.1 [22:09] i thought i read in the ANNOUNCE.13_1 that it wasn't supported but its offered [22:09] or in one of those readme files [22:10] i'm trying to install kopete (without using the version from the repos, because i don't want to have to install the whole kdenetwork package. [22:10] why not use pidgin instead? [22:11] you can use the KDE.SlackBuild to build kdenetwork, disabling what you dont need in kdenetwork.SlackBuild [22:12] see source/kde/ dir. its quite easy [22:12] KDE.SlackBuild? [22:12] yeah, see source/kde/ dir. its quite easy [22:13] Why not use bitlbee instead? [22:13] astm (~Adium@187.77.196.176) joined ##slackware. [22:14] http://mrbesilly.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/02/21/welcome_to_vista.jpg [22:14] lol [22:14] i already asked why not use pidgin, seems bloat to use kopete outside of kde.. but your computer, your choice [22:16] he said not using all of kdenetwork, not kde , at least from what i read [22:16] astm (Adium@187.77.196.176) left ##slackware. [22:16] pireau (1000@208.92.18.100) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:16] oh, ok, but still seems like going the extra mile imo [22:17] pireau (1000@208.92.18.100) joined ##slackware. [22:17] IM apps... too many out there, why choose one that takes a huge effort to build? [22:18] john_dee (~id@95-29-14-234.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [22:18] its not huge effort. its very easy [22:18] Kopete is nice [22:18] eaiser to just installpkg pidgin-foo.t?z [22:19] Why not just install kdenetowrk and kdelibs/base or whatever? [22:19] it's not really a huge effort [22:21] AgaHz (~AgaHz@201-92-58-131.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:24] How can I install slackware without a DVD [22:24] usb [22:25] there are some way to boot an ISO? [22:25] burn it, put it in, tell bios to boot from CD [22:26] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:27] otherwise, you can make a bootable partition, extract the iso to the hdd and boot from there, but that would be crazy [22:27] I don`t know why [22:27] but got: [22:27] libpng warning: Application was compiled with png.h from libpng-1.2.37 [22:27] libpng warning: Application is running with png.c from libpng-1.4.3 [22:27] libpng warning: Incompatible libpng version in application and library [22:28] haha, that damned libpng 1.4 again [22:28] it`s broken ? [22:28] you need a patch most likely, what are you trying to build? [22:28] smplayer [22:28] mac-: do you still have that ubercustomized Slack installation? [22:28] heh [22:28] sounds like a yes :p [22:28] mac-, it could be one of the smplayer's deps that causes that error so check all deps are rebuilt [22:28] should I downgrade libpng ? [22:29] no [22:29] i wouldnt [22:29] check deps first [22:29] ^kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A8C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:30] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-141.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [22:30] sluttyduck (~slut@66.161.224.139) joined ##slackware. [22:30] KaMii: spring in 13.0 repo builds fine here witha patched devil 1.6.8 [22:31] ya, i saw there is a 13.0 SBo so I figured it works fine [22:31] what version of libpng are you running in 13.0? [22:31] hey i have a question. recently i had power loss on my netbook with EXT4 and stuff got corrupted (this is normal because EXT4 caches a lot to RAM, same would've potentially happened with XFS). however, things i noticed were stuff like /usr/bin/startx getting corrupted. made me wonder: would setting files that should never change to immutable (chattr +i) prevent this in the future? [22:31] it builds on 13.1 [22:31] hrm... is that 32 or 64? [22:31] AgaHz (~AgaHz@201-92-58-131.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:32] 13.1 patched devil 1.6.8 and the 13,0 spring slackbuild [22:32] Delahunt: not at all [22:32] I built it on 64bit [22:32] and xfs wouldn't damage your files that weren't being written to. [22:32] ^kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A8C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [22:32] ananke: yeah the power loss on my netbook was totally unexpected, i thought it suspended to RAM but it didn't and i didn't check [22:32] how did you get it to build? [22:33] KaMii: I patched devil [22:33] with that gentoo patch? [22:33] oh... I patched devil 1.7.8 [22:33] not 1.6.8 [22:33] let me try to downgrade devil [22:33] no I have to make a patch because sbo still has 1.6.8 [22:33] ananke: are you sure about that? i remember XFS devs chatting back and forth about the whole power loss causing corruption thing and the conclusion (last i read the whole discussion back and forth) with them was that they said it's going to happen when you cache heavily to RAM [22:33] XGizzmo: can you pastebin your patch? [22:33] (with any FS) [22:33] next issue, how can I enable recognition of 'CPU Type'? [22:34] for i.e. uname [22:34] KaMii: sure [22:34] thx!!! [22:34] now i`ve got i686 Unknown CPU Type AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [22:34] Delahunt: delayed allocation, which is what you may be talking about, wouldn't play a role in this case. were you writing to /usr/bin/startx around that time? [22:34] nope [22:35] but it makes me curious because that file shouldn't change, yet why would power loss cause it to get corrupted? [22:35] Delahunt: there you go. no filesystem should have corrupted that file. setting it to immutable wouldn't have helped [22:35] it doesn't cause corruption, it can cause lost data, like any power failure [22:35] corrupt or empty? [22:35] and regarding xfs, same thing: it shouldn't have happened [22:36] corrupt. it wouldn't run. first line was dorked up. granted, sure, cp startx from another machine fixes it, but it made me very curious [22:36] I think I saw that once with an openbox binary, I still don't know what caused it [22:36] might be the drive going fubar when power runs out [22:37] anyway, should really go to bed [22:37] solid state netbook drive, does that make a difference? [22:37] it was /usr/bin/openbox and not running as root so nothing should have written there [22:37] be back in 8 hours or so [22:37] ananke: so in your professional opinion do you blame FS or hardware? [22:38] Delahunt: for what? corruption or outage? [22:38] corruption [22:38] for corruption i'd blame filesystem. [22:38] i can't think of why the host drive being solid state would cause that [22:38] ah ok [22:38] and it being on LVM+LUKS isn't the culprit either? (just asking, i don't think it should be) [22:39] then again, strange things can happen. i had three brand new dell laptops die on me, each one lasted about a month [22:39] lvm - unlikely. luks - very much so [22:39] that's really bad luck [22:39] k just checking [22:39] basically what i was getting at is if i should change FS [22:39] encryption throws another wrench. it works on a block level [22:40] don't want to take everything i own ext4 -> xfs just because of one incident unless i'm 100% sure [22:40] shonudo: come to find out, it's a buggy audio board :) [22:40] KaMii: http://slackbuilds.org/gitweb/?p=slackbuilds.git;a=commit;h=e141099ab6c65e8585340052428934da09d9fcdf [22:40] LUKS should be synchronous right? [22:40] i.e. not delaying writing to disk or caching but direct I/O right? [22:40] anyone here use awesome? [22:40] ananke: i meant having 3 laptops go one after the other [22:40] XGizzmo: thank you [22:40] Delahunt: unless it happens often, i wouldn't change filesystems yet [22:41] k well this is my first incident which is why i ask :) [22:41] thanks for the support [22:41] shonudo: yeah. i had dell escalate the issue, and engineers got back to me [22:41] and? [22:41] shonudo: shoddy manufacturing on the audio/drive board [22:41] did you change models at that point? [22:41] l8r slackrz [22:41] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-141.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:42] both the drive and audio jacks are on a small board, which is then connected via a ribbon cable to the mobo [22:42] shonudo: nah. i like this model. it's dell latitude 13 [22:43] they were going to give me latitude z as a replacement, but i decided to stick with this one [22:44] imroot (~imroot@201.86.172.223.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:47] so glad I have 6 cores, I think this is about the 20th time trying to build spring [22:48] Action: edman007 has 8 :P [22:48] let the bidding begin! [22:48] (anyone say 10?) [22:48] Action: jgeboski has 4 [22:48] :p [22:48] i only need 6, well i probably only need 4 [22:48] hey jgeboski [22:49] shonudo: hey there. How're you? [22:49] oh jgeboski I fixed the HDD issue, it was the SATA cable... [22:49] well, thanks. have you received your RMA'd drive yet? [22:49] KaMii: awesome. Easy fixes are the best. Except finding them :p [22:50] haha, ya, easy fix but took a lot to figure it out [22:50] shonudo: Yes, about a week ago. Works like a champ. My buddy was telling me he's RMA 3 of those :/ [22:51] whats RMA? [22:51] KaMii, the return process [22:51] Return Merchandise Authorization [22:51] oh [22:52] i was like.. did they just come out with something better than SDD and no one told me? [22:52] Kind of the general term used for getting a new product for something defective [22:52] jgeboski, perhaps you just have an unlucky friend :) [22:52] let's hope your new one lasts [22:52] or his postman hates him and is jealous' [22:52] yea, i just bought a SD card, saw the rating on newegg was 4/5 so i figured it was good, i looked back and now i see it got 4/5 with 100% of the first 20 comments saying it was dead within 3 months :/ [22:52] shonudo: I sure hope haha. I don't want this thing to bake outside of it's warrenty [22:53] and the thing feels cheap [22:53] what brand? [22:53] adata i think... [22:54] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:54] shonudo, i've seen a lot of dumb things people put on electronics, my dad got an ASUS mobo where they thought a 9000rpm chipset fan was a good design decesion, my dad RMA'd two of them and the third was a diff revision with a new fan (by that time they had a replacement plan going) [22:55] argggghhh, the worse SBo errors I hate are the 'cannot stat foo' i always forget to check those when switching source versions... [22:55] jaminja (~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja) joined ##slackware. [22:57] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:57] edman007: by any chance was that the Asus k7 board? [22:57] lol [22:57] with the fan over the northbridge? [22:57] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:59] I've RMA my ASUS Striker Extreme last year [22:59] asarch, was their sock 939 high end with SLI...i wanna say A8N, but i'm not sure, it was the northbridge fan.. [22:59] why did they feel the need to change the directory from Documentation/ to doc/ ? [22:59] abit did the same shit, put pointlessly fast, oddly-sized fans on the northbridge and they would always start to rattle and dry out in 6mo [23:00] edman007: i was just wondering, because their k7 board burned up fans (and the chipsets under them) left and right [23:00] shonudo, yea, the A8N-SLI, looks like around the same time, probably was the same fan on it [23:00] I have an A8N [23:00] i had the board replaced twice, and then, i called after that and told them the fan was making noise, and they sent me a bag of fans [23:00] dead serious [23:01] like, "here, here's a bag of fans. have at it" [23:01] KaMii, well they updated it and changed the fan [23:01] the board has major issues with onboard audio [23:01] and USB hub [23:01] edman007, i have a box running the a8n-sli premium (no fan, uses that radiator thing) [23:01] shonudo, yea, it was known to be a bad fan, and i knew that if you called em up and said anything about the fan they gave you a new one, no questions asked [23:01] never have had any trouble with it [23:01] shonudo: do you have your board covered in fans now? :p [23:01] lol [23:01] no [23:01] shonudo, thats the update, the old one had the high rpm fan [23:01] the fan on my A8N is loud [23:02] i made jewelry out of it, jgeboski [23:02] I tried to get a replacement but couldnt find one [23:02] neonflux (~neonflux@205.248.100.252) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:02] edman007: can't believe asus got burned by the same problem twice; too bad [23:02] i actually like asus boards [23:02] and i love their RMA [23:03] (not because i make bling out of the stuff; just because they're good at customer service :)) [23:03] lol, you made a necklass out of a mobo? [23:03] yea, they make good stuff, but i have always thought their quality control to be lacking, i have gotten a lot of DoA/deffective things from them, few RMAs later and everything is perfect [23:04] shonudo: i experienced something different ASUS myself [23:04] jgeboski: bad customer service? [23:05] yay, thanks XGizzmo i got spring to compile! [23:05] shonudo: They sent the board back twice without doing anything. I had to pay for shit it one way three times. The third time i said enough is enough and they sent me back a newer board but it took me a month to get my big rig functional [23:05] that's no good [23:06] i mean, they did the right thing in the end, [23:06] but still [23:06] you should of told them to accidentally leave two GPUs in the board when shipping it [23:06] shonudo: i got a newer board as my other one was discontinued [23:06] i could go for 4 of the 400 series nvidias :) [23:07] what are you going to do with 4 GPUs? play 20 instances of WoW at the same time? [23:07] :) [23:07] lol [23:07] john_dee (~id@95-29-14-234.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:08] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-177-135.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:08] hey MLanden [23:08] I could use a few more monitors [23:09] heya folks [23:09] hey there [23:09] heya shonudo [23:09] jgeboski, so have you bought asus since? [23:09] How's it going, MLanden? [23:09] heya jgeboski..goin' good for the night thanks ...yourself? [23:10] shonudo: i haven't bought anything since but, ASUS is still a good brand I just had put my foot down on the first RMA next time and not let them jerk me around because someone there doesn't want to do their job [23:10] MLanden: Hanging there ;) [23:10] jgeboski: that makes sense [23:10] and yeah, it's a good brand [23:11] the stuff that works keeps on working; i still have two ancient Asus 7xx form factor boards running [23:11] shonudo: I believe my last issuse was the 680i getting to hot [23:12] but i've got a water block on the 780i i have now :) [23:12] you're using water cooling? [23:12] yes [23:12] so... does the machine ever have an aquarium smell or anything? [23:13] (couldn't help myself) [23:13] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [23:13] jgeboski: water cooling sounds too exotic (and expensive) for me [23:13] shonudo: It's a bit overkill i will admit [23:13] at least for the home user [23:14] not really exotic, but it is a little expensive compared to fans [23:14] has the system ever given you any trouble? [23:14] leaks, etc? [23:15] shonudo: Nope. It's got special coolant in it that's not `suppose` to conduct but, I don't think that's true and i'm not planning to find out :p [23:16] lol [23:16] demineralized water works fine - it's what we used on the ship [23:16] plain water doesn't conduct if it's pure - it's the minerals in the water that conduct [23:16] jgeboski: how's compiling at the higher levels like 6 or more? [23:17] MLanden: are you referring to make jobs? [23:17] jgeboski: yeah...just,out of curiosity [23:17] alisonken1home: yes that's what it's called or deionized or something like that [23:18] john_dee (~id@95-29-14-234.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [23:18] MLanden: It does run my system up high but, my CPU has always handled it's self really well under pressure. (it should for what it cost) [23:19] jgeboski: deionized is different - there's both demineralized and deionized water [23:19] and if you can cat demineralized AND deionized water - great [23:20] have you ever seen some spill on a chip before, does it actually not conduct? [23:20] Action: shonudo imagines steam coming off a CPU) [23:20] on the ship we actually used a specialized conductivity meter on a closed-loop water cooling system [23:21] i see [23:21] jgeboski: ahhh..ok...have seen some interesting benchmarks of phoronix's site [23:21] i just got a message from the nick "g0v" does anyone no if that's a bot or something? [23:22] he is, i think [23:22] it* is [23:22] saying my query completed and i didn't even query anything haha [23:22] lol...good question to ask phrag,shonudo...what gender is your bot?...:*) [23:23] heh [23:25] jgeboski: so how much (in terms of degrees) do you think you get from water cooled over air cooled on the same hardware? [23:26] arcaos (~arcaos@host-12-205-154.linksat.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [23:26] most liquids have better thermal transfer than most gasses [23:27] You know I really can't say. All water cooling really helps with is getting the heat into a different medium, water, and taking it elsewhere so it doesn't hit other hardware and other parts of the hardware while cooling what it's in contact with [23:27] so water cooling is normally better - especially when the blocks have a high-surface area contact [23:27] depends entirely on ambient temperature, & size of radiator/fan(s)/reservoir [23:28] I could get away with fans just one of the things that i wanted to feel like a bad ass at the time [23:28] surface area to be cooled & rate of water flow also play a huge part [23:29] also how many contact surfaces you have on the loop [23:29] jgeboski: the bad-ass feeling aside, would you do it again or just use fans next time? [23:29] I'd do it again haha [23:29] heh [23:29] lol [23:29] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [23:30] it's becoming more common so hardware is going down for it [23:31] shonudo: are you getting some ideas? :) [23:31] no, i was just wondering [23:31] ah ok [23:32] i've built boxes that i've wanted to build [23:32] with some piece of hardware or other that was either cutting edge or expensive [23:32] do you build boxes for a living? [23:32] and while i've never wished i hadn't done it a certain way, i have thought, "well, i won't do that again" [23:33] no, i don't build for a living, jgeboski [23:33] newslacker (~root@69-179-124-31.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [23:33] most of my hardware is outdated as this machine is going on 4 now [23:33] yeah, most of my stuff is outdated the day it arrives from UPS [23:33] that's computer for you [23:34] outdated doesn't mean crap, luckily [23:34] indeed [23:34] but it does make you rethink cutting-edge stuff [23:34] yes [23:35] unixlearner (~bnhashmi@119.153.132.113) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:35] I believe they're shipping CPUs that are running 4.0 stock, iirc [23:36] sco's unix division is getting auctioned off, hah [23:36] i wonder when we'll see 8.0 [23:36] well the overclockers won't stand for that... [23:36] they'll have them up to 8.0 [23:36] nice timing, jgeboski [23:36] i think we typed that at about the same time [23:37] dzappy (~mark@c-68-38-222-142.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:37] I've overclocked before but never really noticed a difference [23:37] yea haha [23:37] i've never overclocked anything enough to notice a difference and i don't think i ever will [23:38] i would think it shortens the life of the hardware dramatically [23:38] depends on the degree of oc [23:38] yes [23:38] eventhough they say my cpu is made to overclock [23:38] just never really found a need [23:38] there's a lot of out-of-box overclocked stuff with GPUs [23:39] my server is oc'd by 12% & has been for several years. smp p3/500 > 560 [23:39] alphageek: is there a noticeable performance boost? [23:39] note, too, that's by tweaking bus not mult. _everything_ on the mainboard is suffering :) [23:39] yep [23:41] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) joined ##slackware. [23:41] when I originally experimented with things, there were no noticable change in temps (cpu, n/s bridges, random points on mobo). I was quite surprised [23:42] have to ask... which board? [23:42] 1 sec [23:42] mobo: tyan s1832d, atx, intel 440bx, smp slot1 (p2/p3) [23:42] MLanden_ (~MLanden@pool-141-152-177-135.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:43] MLanden_ (~MLanden@pool-141-152-177-135.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:43] mind, modern hardware runs hotter by default, so I doubt I'd see the same performance/temperature bit going on [23:44] reading up on your board now... http://www.baber.com/baber/411/tyan_s1832d.htm [23:45] that's the beast [23:46] cryptic0 (cryptic0@r74-192-29-7.bcstcmta01.clsttx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:48] right now, ambient: 25.3'C, mobo: 28'C, cpus: 32'C [23:48] idling [23:49] ZMR (~Who_cares@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:49] ZMR (~Who_cares@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [23:50] as opposed to this box (abit nf7-s w/ athlon xp-m 2400+, no oc).. mobo: 29'C, cpus: 38.5'C. also idling [23:50] err.. 'cpu' not 'cpus' ^ [23:51] cut'n'paste fail :) [23:51] np, got it [23:51] I have 45oC on my Athlon XP 2400+ (2000 real) [23:52] what kind of cooling? [23:52] but doing several things now [23:52] what voltage? [23:52] conventional air [23:52] 1.65 [23:52] Thermalright SLK-947U, lapped, AS5 + Antec TriCool 92 (92mm) [23:53] 'sensors' reports 1.31 [23:54] from my bios notes, I have vcore set to 1.35 [23:54] sh4d0wl3ss (~jaymason@ip68-5-133-53.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:55] I toyed with overclocking this machine when I first deployed it, but I didn't see much of a real benefit. ran considerably hotter with barely any performance gain [23:55] sluttyduck (~slut@66.161.224.139) left irc: Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com ) [23:56] BlackGoat (~FreonTrip@99-37-202-130.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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