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[00:51] never seen that before, interesting [00:51] r00t is the worst, it is root+00 [00:53] i didn't know identd passed the id [00:53] depends on how it's configured [00:54] oh [00:54] ezrafree, simply needs an X terminal on your end which understands screen. Some of them have some support for screen, it varies. [00:54] (you do NOT need X on the remote end.) [00:55] shemp: yeah maybe it's time to go to the trouble of installing Eterm so i can use Escreen again [00:55] any other terms that anyone can recommend that are like Escreen, and "understand screen" [00:55] *? 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[01:22] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-244.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:24] powtrix- (~powtrix@189-69-17-253.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:25] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-61.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:25] Nick change: powtrix- -> powtrix [01:25] another fun night of powtrix messages it looks like :) [01:26] I got stuch with flash player install. :)) [01:28] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-244.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:29] guys.. [01:29] what the hell are .3gf.0 files? [01:29] how do i sign up in powtrix's ISP? [01:30] crouton, "file .3fg.0" ? [01:30] crouton, possibly part of a Debian package. [01:31] yes alisonken1noc . i see Motoko-chan . [01:32] hmmm - he's logged, but haven't seen him chat for a while. of course, it could be I work nights so miss a lot of them :) [01:33] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[01:49] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-253.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:49] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [01:51] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [01:51] TriniTuX_ (clayton@cuscon125891.tstt.net.tt) left ##slackware. [01:54] Chrysalis (~UD@unaffiliated/chrysalis) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:55] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-90-22.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:58] okay guys.. when i install something using this SlackBuild script.. how do i uninstall it? [01:59] removepkg [01:59] or pkgtool [02:02] crouton: "man removepkg" and chapter 18 of the slackbook. [02:05] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:05] okay and slackbuild is the recommended way of installing packages? [02:06] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [02:06] slackbuild is vernacular for a bash(ash) script that puts things in the right place for makepkg [02:06] i see [02:07] the way you're installing packages is using the pkgtools (makepkg, installpkg, removepkg, upgradepkg) [02:08] slackbuilds are the recommended way to install 3rd party software - preferably from slackbuilds.org [02:08] and slackpkg for updates [02:08] (to slackware base packages) [02:10] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:12] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@161.184.52.60) left irc: Quit: Client exited [02:12] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:12] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:13] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:13] okay i want to install lapack on 64-bit slackware. if i compile it from source and all that, it won't show in pkgtool if i want to remove it after. so if i use slackbuild to install it, it'll show in the pkgtool list where i can remove it after i'm done? [02:14] crouton: something like that, yeah [02:16] cool cool. thanks [02:16] crouton, based on your latest question i can now answer your earlier: version 3, generic shared [02:16] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:18] i see mancha . yea i think it's a component used by the lapack library itself but not something that can be used directly to compile programs that use lapack. [02:18] atlas you mean [02:22] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:23] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [02:28] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-162.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:28] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-55.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:28] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [02:31] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:32] maybe it's part of atlas. no idea. haha [02:33] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [02:33] saka (~saka@180.214.232.7) joined ##slackware. [02:34] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:38] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [02:39] nogagplz (~nogagplz@ppp121-44-189-233.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:44] p/8 [02:45] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[02:52] lol [02:53] I can't quite put it into words, but there's something horrible about that [02:53] nogagplz (~nogagplz@ppp121-44-147-30.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [02:53] horrible AND hilarious! [02:54] slava, theres a part witha little sign "run" and then two columns with 5 and 6 boxes [02:54] i can't get over it, wtf [02:54] http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2010/04/18/opinion/18rich.html?permid=365#comment365 HAHAHAHA what a moron, read his last line, msut be george dubbya [02:55] oh sorry, confused supertux with tuxracer X-) [02:59] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:01] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:03] sjamma (~9962cb45@gateway/web/freenode/x-yphljtbuodfklsrr) joined ##slackware. [03:06] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-123.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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Good points of test are DIALOG_MAXARGS and CHECKSIZE additions. [03:24] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4246, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-04-10 03:32:29 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [03:31] slack_fish (~user@221.8.58.194) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:35] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-64.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:36] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-123.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:36] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [03:36] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [03:37] can anybody here show me the ##slackware channel flags? [03:38] andrew_46: Pcfjnt [03:38] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left ##slackware. [03:38] thanks :) [03:38] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:38] andrew_46 (andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left ##slackware. 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[04:37] rrs (~rrs@92.125.217.32) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:38] i love the smell of slackware in the morning... [04:39] nogagplz_ (~nogagplz@ppp121-44-208-68.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:39] i've found a dobbshead wallpaper for my mobile yesterday =] [04:40] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-235.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:41] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-148.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:41] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [04:42] nogagplz (~nogagplz@ppp121-44-211-218.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:42] i wonder why Slack's MPlayer package wasn't made with --enable-vdpau :\ [04:42] rebuild it [04:42] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:42] i did :P [04:43] =] [04:43] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [04:47] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.124) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:57] there is a mplayer package? :P [04:57] i just download, unpacks and play a video [04:58] hmm? [04:58] works like a charm [04:59] im confused, what are you trying to say? [04:59] nevermind [04:59] jhw (~jhw@194.64.6.1) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [05:00] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:00] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-235.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:01] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-180.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:02] Nick change: nogagplz_ -> nogagplz [05:02] wow, powtrix really is on a shitty connection [05:03] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [05:05] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.123.32) joined ##slackware. [05:06] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [05:12] How to run slapt get file? [05:12] not [05:13] datace: Do not use slapt-get. [05:13] datace: It is neither advisable nor supported [05:13] frankd: because --enable-vdpau needs either the nvidia binary driver or libvdpau, with neither being available in Slackware [05:14] what is wrong with slapt-get? [05:14] datace, what program(s) do you need? [05:15] mancha: the way people use it to pull unsupported, unverified and potentially dangerous 3rd party packages. [05:15] WildWizard (~michael@ppp118-208-133-237.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:16] but you have to add those repos yourself right? [05:16] People use guns to rob people too [05:16] Some people use condoms when they rape people [05:16] guns and condoms must be bad too [05:17] Action: Delahunt sighs [05:17] straterra, almost rapers don't use condoms [05:17] mancha: My advice regarding slapt-get is specific to the person asking the question. In this case it seems obvious the questioner has googled for adding 3rd party software to slackware and found slapt-get and now wants instructions on using it. [05:17] 1) It's rapists. 2) Some do [05:17] because they know that they are illegal [05:18] The user therefore needs to be educated about the right way to go about installing 3rd party applications in slackware. [05:18] datace, what programs do you need? try these repos out: [05:18] AlienBOB's repository - http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ [05:18] Robby Workman's repository - http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/ [05:18] Delahunt: I would always start with SBo [05:18] you may be able to get what you need simply by downloading and installing (i.e. without slapt-get) [05:18] Zordrak, duly noted but this is as close to the source as you get [05:18] source as in patrick/slackware not source code mind you [05:18] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:19] as close as you get to the source is the source [05:19] Yeah [05:19] what's with elevating these repos to source status? [05:19] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left ##slackware. [05:19] hmm [05:19] I'd rather use the slackbuild over alien's packages [05:19] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [05:19] hahaha, he fled the channel :D [05:19] Delahunt: those repos are fine to use.. but still the first point of call for a novice should be SBo [05:20] um, heck no [05:20] it's far easier to installpkg than go through other multiple steps [05:20] try it yourself some time: go get a newbie and see which is easiest for him/her [05:20] I think too SBo is a bit tough right after first contact with Slackware [05:20] sbopkg [05:20] the beauty of open source is that there is no "first point" [05:20] Delahunt: Easiest is not necessarily best. And if the user wishes to have the simplest possible experience thay can use sbopkg. [05:20] isnt there sbopkg? [05:21] Zordrak, so you're saying SBO > rworkman alienbob when they practically designed it and used it to make packages on pristine virtual builds? [05:21] Delahunt: You are missing the point. [05:21] you're using some of rworkman's packages right now that were incorporated into slackware 13 (or -current) so be careful how you answer [05:21] and i think you are too [05:21] but i need to take a shower and go teach japanese kids english [05:21] Delahunt: The quality of the packages is not in dispute. [05:22] Delahunt: The correct advice to hand out to beginners is. [05:22] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:22] Zordrak, well you're in no authority position so just give your 2 cents unless you have real world experience (which i do, with newbies) [05:22] Delahunt: Argue a topic, not a person. [05:23] If you disagree, then disagree, do not attack. [05:23] Zordrak: thats fresh, coming from you [05:24] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:24] Mr "Put straterra on ignore because he keeps calling me out when I give bad advice" Zordrak [05:24] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:25] straterra, if that's the case, he may not have heard you :) [05:26] ..? [05:26] Is straterra talking to thin air again? [05:27] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [05:28] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-188-46.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:28] who was it that we scared away? [05:29] datace [05:29] hah, i bet he never imagined... [05:30] he ran off the other day before i could link him to a good read on partitioning [05:30] ok folks, someone here's gotta have played supertux... [05:30] Zordrak, i am arguing a topic but you aren't thinking at all [05:30] not yet [05:30] so i get the fucking penguin to a spot with a "RUN" sign and then two piles next to each other (5 blocks and 6 blocks). [05:30] you are advocating what you like above logic, experience, and human patterns [05:30] as hard as i try, i cannot jump over this [05:30] not yet, but I may get it for my kid to play [05:31] and why? because you like it, not because there is a better or some standard to go by [05:31] you must crawl before you can walk. if he gets what he wants from one of two trusted repos, mission accomplished [05:31] trust is a funny thing [05:31] so next time don't argue like there is a "better" or not when there is not [05:31] Delahunt: No.. I am advocating a path that facilitates learning, provides an extremely large repository of software and is extremely simple. [05:32] he may not want to learn. did you ask if he did? [05:32] Delahunt: sbopkg is much simpler than manually pulling pre-compiled stuff from repos [05:32] Delahunt: If he does not want to learn I have no interest in teaching. [05:32] personally, if they don't want to learn, then maybe *buntu may be better for them [05:32] Delahunt: Those who do not wish to learn should not be here. [05:33] Zordrak, you're not the authority figure to determine that [05:33] _RadioHead (~slack@217.170.244.5) joined ##slackware. [05:33] your goal here, since this is a support channel, should be to help them get to achieve their goal, not make them like yourself [05:33] I believe the opinion to be representative of those who do. Fell free to confirm that with them. [05:33] wertik_rus (~wertik@69.172.130.217) joined ##slackware. [05:33] *Feel [05:33] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-241.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:33] so next time don't tell me what's best when there is no "best" [05:34] "best" requires context you don't have [05:34] Delahunt: I disagree. [05:34] what i'm sick of is how someone asks one question and people like you turn this into a troll fest [05:34] then disagree in #flood [05:34] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:34] <_RadioHead> morning [05:34] heya _RadioHead [05:34] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [05:34] I forgot that spitting a torrent of hate and then instantly leaving is the best way to win an argument... [05:35] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-180.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:35] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [05:37] wertik_rus (~wertik@69.172.130.217) left irc: Client Quit [05:37] <_RadioHead> hi trhodes [05:39] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [05:40] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trollfest :P [05:41] Trollsprå! [05:41] alisonken1noc: he didn't hear me [05:42] john_dee (~id@95-29-176-121.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:42] straterra, sometimes that can be a good thing :) but yeah, looks like you're /ignored [05:43] alisonken1noc: It's quite fun. Zordrak has these issues I know how to fix..and he asks them..and I answer them, knowing he can't see it [05:43] hah [05:43] It's the small things in life, you know? [05:43] alisonken1noc: Oh..and I'd be offended..I think Zordrak called you thin air. [05:43] yep [05:44] that reminds me of that one scene in Stardust ;) [05:44] hmm - think I missed Stardust [05:44] "Where's a star? I don't see a star..." [05:44] THATS A SPACE STATION [05:44] Oh..wrong movie [05:45] indeed :D [05:45] Meh, close enough [05:46] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:46] phrags: ping [05:47] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [05:50] any xfce users here? can you get the titles on Terminal to dynamically change? [05:50] i think it's an option [05:50] crouton (1000@bas1-toronto10-1279627107.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:50] yes i know [05:50] no format specifier or anything, you just have to go into the preferences menu [05:51] in -cur on a netbook time is 3 hours behind, i tried timeconifig and messing with timezones etc a bit and it seems to be in the right zone.. [05:51] could that mean it is a hardware clock problem? [05:51] timeconfig* [05:51] well it might just be off....change the time [05:52] if it specifies the correct GMT offset... then you just need to set the right time [05:53] date returns this :Mon Apr 19 9:51:34 EEST 2010 [05:53] while it should be like this Mon Apr 19 12:51:34 EEST 2010 [05:53] go into bios and change the clock time [05:54] try: ntpdate pool.ntp.org [05:54] also, get it online and modify /etc/ntp.conf and add server us.pool.ntp.org as a server, then let it sync for about 15 minutes [05:54] mancha: regarding xfce's terminal, yes, WFM [05:54] if your in the u.s., try us.pool.ntp.org [05:54] *terminal title [05:54] what version terminal are you using? [05:54] so you advice me to also try ntp sync with a local ntp server right? [05:55] use my command [05:55] will check that thanks [05:55] first, set your bios clock, then let it sync with a timeserver [05:55] why? [05:55] why not? [05:56] you're proposing it so the burden is on you to show it is useful [05:56] i don't have to demonstrate why not [05:57] ok - I personally prefer to try to get my local resources as close as possible to verify that the problem is local to the computer, otherwise it may indicate a different issue [05:58] yeah the issue is the computers time was set in california and he's on the east coast [05:58] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:58] has anyone made a dist of linux kernel plus plan9 tools? [05:58] or vice versa [05:58] tripFantastic: not sure, the plan9tools can be installed on a lot of distro's though [05:58] nods [06:00] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [06:00] ntpdate seems to have fixed it [06:00] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [06:00] ok, your bios was off then [06:00] bios clock [06:01] i get the real greek current time , so now do i also have to apply that time to the bios ? or bind ntp to start @boot? [06:01] hwclock --systohc [06:02] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:02] look at /etc/ntp.conf and set the server line to us.pool.ntp.org (as long as you're in the US), and let it handle the time [06:02] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [06:02] /etc/rc.d/rc.ntpd replaces ntpdate, so the first time it's run will take about 15 minutes to verify drift [06:03] i see [06:04] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [06:05] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-19-170.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:06] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-241.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:06] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [06:06] ok.. plus it gets the right time after rebooting so .. seems fixed [06:06] mcury (~mcury@189.24.68.66) joined ##slackware. [06:06] thanks :) [06:09] I'm facing some issues when I use Wine on slackware 64 bits, only with 3d, but opengl is correctly installed, can someone help me? [06:09] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:12] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:12] Maybe if you said what issues you were having. [06:12] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:13] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [06:13] mcury: The first thing that comes to mind is that you don't have the 32-bit 3D drivers installed, but yeah, without being told what the problem is, that's only a guess. [06:14] adamk_, the error that I get is: Major opcode of failed request: 137 (GLX). [06:14] and that's right, I have the x86_64 driver from Ati installed (radeon 4850) [06:17] Actually, wine runs fine with other programs, only with games that uses opengl. [06:17] 9755 [06:18] wrong window :) [06:18] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [06:19] if I install the 32-bit driver for my radeon, maybe the wine will work with opengl ? [06:19] Zplay (Zplay@2a01:e35:8a68:89f0:7569:dbe5:1e3c:dddf) joined ##slackware. [06:20] mcury: I can assure you that you need the 32-bit libraries from the ATI installer. [06:21] mcury: If you built packages with --buildpkg Slackware/All, it does not include the 32-bit libraries for some reason. [06:22] adamk_, ok, thank you, I'll look for those 32-bit libraries and I'll post here if it works, thanks in advance [06:22] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:23] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:23] stillborn (~quietborn@romeo-16.srv.hosting.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [06:24] aghh, how can I change the GTK theme in KDE? fugly widgets, I want it to use the QtCurve stuff! :P [06:25] stillborn (~quietborn@romeo-16.srv.hosting.fi) joined ##slackware. [06:27] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:30] mako-dono (~mako@81.22.29.191) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:32] frankd, gtk-chtheme, available on slackbuilds.org + QTCurve-GTK, there also [06:32] oh ,you already said qtcurve :) then the 1st one only. [06:33] ah great, thanks [06:35] Arirang (~koolaid@c-24-21-186-231.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:36] ew bad slackbuild! [06:36] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-20-204.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:37] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-170.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:37] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [06:39] GuilhermeCunha (~Guilherme@unaffiliated/guilhermecunha) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:41] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:42] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:43] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:43] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:43] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:46] whew thats a lot better! [06:46] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [06:46] slava_dp, thanks a lot [06:47] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [06:47] <_RadioHead> hi slava_dp :) [06:50] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:53] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:54] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:54] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [06:55] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:59] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-204.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:00] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-250.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:07] OldGringo (~amigo@p54B0FFA4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:08] adamk_, my driver supports both, Linux x86 and Linux x86_64, maybe I should look for another driver? my driver is from Ati version 10.3 [07:12] OldGringo (~amigo@p54B0FFA4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:13] Zplay (Zplay@2a01:e35:8a68:89f0:7569:dbe5:1e3c:dddf) left irc: Quit: Quitte [07:15] mcury: The AMD installer supports both 64-bit and 32-bit installations, but when you use --buildpkg Slackware/All on Slackware64 the packages that are created only includes the 64-bit libraries. [07:15] adamk_, I used the .run to install.. [07:16] You didn't actually build packages? [07:17] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.2.153) joined ##slackware. [07:17] no, just ran the .run and everything went fine.. no issues noticed in X, fglrx driver is in use with DRM [07:17] Hmmm... Interesting... Using the installer like that has always installed the 32-bit libraries for me. [07:17] also looked for fglrx_dri.so and found in /usr/lib/drm and in /usr/lib64/drm [07:18] Errrr. [07:18] One second. [07:18] I'm lost here.. maybe there is no support yet for this kind of apps? [07:18] ok [07:19] It works... Trust me. I used wine on slackware64 with fglrx just last night. [07:19] so there is hope for me =) [07:20] Does /usr/bin/32/glxinfo exist? [07:21] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6CECF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:21] yes [07:21] Are you familiar with pastebin? Pastebin the output of 'LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose /usr/bin/32/glxinfo' [07:22] no, I'm not familiar with pastebin ;~ [07:23] mcury: http://pastebin.ca .. paste output and it will give you a link to put in here [07:24] ack [07:25] goj (~goj@p4FE6F799.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [07:25] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [07:25] http://pastebin.ca/1867648 [07:26] the output of the command is interesting, not the command itself [07:26] mcury: fyi there are many many pastebin sites, pastebin.ca just happens to be my personal preference [07:27] so, I paste the wrong info in pastebin? [07:27] mcury: Run that command in a terminal. The copy the entire output and pastebin it. [07:27] /usr/bin/32/glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGLEW.so.1.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [07:28] paste this ? [07:28] kitche (kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:28] >.< [07:28] That was the only output? [07:28] yes, only this line [07:28] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [07:29] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [07:29] I'll paste this info there [07:29] You should at least make a 32-bit version of the glew package following alienBOB's directions on his multilib wiki. [07:31] hm, I'm using his multilib.. I'll try to convert to a 32-bits version and will try again [07:31] I'm not sure if the glew package is one of the ones converted by default with his directions. [07:31] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. 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[07:46] <_RadioHead> anyone familiar with raid on linux ? [07:46] hardware or software? [07:46] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:47] hardware raid is easy [07:47] <_RadioHead> alisonken1noc: well i setup on bios on my machine raid1 BUT on linux yet i see 2 disks sdb and sdc [07:48] is sdb and sdc drives or card slot (like cf disks or camera cards)> [07:48] ? [07:48] <_RadioHead> alisonken1noc: drives [07:49] <_RadioHead> alisonken1noc: on overview i can see - 6 x SATAII 3.0 Gb/s connectors, support RAID (RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 10, RAID 5 and Intel® Matrix Storage), NCQ, AHCI and Hot Plug functions [07:49] hmm - after setting bios to raid1, did you initialize the array? [07:49] <_RadioHead> seems is software raid bah.... [07:49] Arirang (koolaid@c-24-21-186-231.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:50] <_RadioHead> alisonken1noc: to tell you the truth i don`t like linux mdadm that`s i though i can setup raid1 on raid bios utility [07:51] if you setup raid in bios, you have to bios initialize the array and add the drives to the array. after the raid is initialized, then linux should see it as one drive unless you setup more than one raid setup [07:51] <_RadioHead> alisonken1noc: already done [07:52] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:54] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [07:58] _RadioHead: Currently maintaning RAID61 in production on slack [07:58] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:58] we have RAID6, RAID1+0 in hardware raid on our servers [07:59] _RadioHead: You will almost certainly find that board isnt technically hardware raid *or* software raid, but instead FakeRAID [07:59] _RadioHead, google dmraid [07:59] (not mdraid) [07:59] Personally I would rather use mdadm software raid than FakeRAID because FakeRAID will screw you if you need to change hardware [07:59] +1 [08:00] mach_kernel (~no@cpe-74-73-253-34.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:00] Hardware raid is obviously always preferrable, but much more expensive. [08:00] phrags (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:00] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [08:01] more expensive, but cheaper in the long run [08:01] + [08:01] especially after hotswapping multiple drives [08:01] 18VAAQY8E (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [08:02] phrags (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [08:03] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.89.45) joined ##slackware. [08:04] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [08:04] how would hardware raid always be preferable if someone prefers an inexpensive solution? [08:04] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [08:05] Delahunt, inexpensive when it comes to raid is relative. software raid does not always scale (performance-wise) or hotswapping reliably [08:06] I guess it comes down to how much the data is worth [08:06] well again, you assume they want hotswapping and performance. they may simply want a backup solution that handles itself [08:06] yep [08:06] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-23-89.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:06] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-137.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:06] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [08:06] Action: Delahunt shrugs [08:06] so much can be assumed [08:06] backups are no good if the raid loses a drive and you can't rebuild it [08:07] someone once told me to use software raid so that my external hard drive auto-syncs with my native hard drive [08:07] inexpensive backup solution - externald drive [08:07] so i guess there are people that use it in that way [08:08] i always get into analysis paralysis triyng to decide how to back up my own stuff [08:08] I just know that when something happens with the computer, software raid can be _very_ unforgiving. at least with hardware raid, the raid card has a chance of keeping your drives from getting corrupted [08:10] Delahunt, since I end up replacing between 1-5 drives a night, I get to see how hardware raid saves our bacon every workday [08:13] alisonken1noc, but you're at the NOC 8-) [08:13] at home you don't go through 1-5 drives a night (i hope) [08:13] only when he' [08:13] s practicing juggling hammers [08:13] that's the place where lessons are learned before losing your home stuff :) [08:14] more like juggling drives lol [08:14] well, I _do_ have 2 boxes x76 drives getting ready for the shredder :) [08:14] getting ready for the shredder? [08:14] oh [08:15] yeah you could juggle some of them 8-) [08:15] yeah - can't have customer data floating around [08:15] Thankfully I have a low enough drive turnover that I can afford to simply remove the platters then throw the cases in the trash [08:15] how many drives are in all arrays combined? [08:15] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-kgiatubqdqrmfsti) joined ##slackware. [08:15] platters make good coasters [08:15] depends on the array - for some, 8x drives, for backup servers, 34-38 drives [08:16] combined, not sure - but I know it's a lot :) [08:16] well g'night [08:16] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:17] we go through a lot of drives here [08:17] such a pain in the ass [08:18] that's why hardware raid is nice - swap the drive, tell the raid card to rebuild if it doesn't autostart the rebuild [08:18] sadly our machines are spread out all over the place [08:19] so the bad drives usually just sit there bored for a few years until we bring the machine back home [08:19] we have 2 nocs about 16 miles apart :) [08:19] i wonder which parts usually fail [08:20] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [08:20] if you don't have adequate cooling, then the circuit card. otherwise it's typically the magnetics on the platter or the read/write head [08:20] but that also depends on if you have enterprise drives or cheap desktop drives in the raid [08:20] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-19-180.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:20] and possibly the coil controlling the arm [08:21] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-23-89.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:21] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [08:21] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:21] so on a circuit card, is it typically discreet components that fail due to the heat? [08:21] heat usually kills the chips rather than the discrete components [08:22] because the chips have high density and _very_ small parts that are more sensitive to temperatures [08:22] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [08:22] is it the physical act of heating and cooling? [08:23] yep - remember when components are heated and cooled, there's also physical expansion/contraction of the chips [08:24] im always surprised how tiny the solder joints must be for the little surface mount parts [08:24] and because chips have nanometer components, then they can be more affected by the physical changes [08:24] it seems like drives fail disproportionately higher than motherboards [08:24] the other killer is voltage fluctuations [08:25] alisonken1noc: not to mention general firmware clusterfsckage [08:25] but I guess there are usually 4 or 6x more of them to fail [08:25] drives fail more because of mechanics as well [08:25] Zordrak, that too :) [08:25] <_RadioHead> Zordrak: slava_dp thx and sorry i was out . it seems as you say is fake raid [08:26] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:26] if someones mirroring slack64-current, can you show me du -s on the whole tree? [08:26] _RadioHead: I personally recommend against using the fakeraid as it ties you to your specific fakeraid controller and if it dies, so do you. [08:26] GooseYArd, in a noc environment, it's usually due to mechanical because the drives are always spun up and the drive heads are active [08:26] trying to figure out how much longer this rsync is going to be running [08:27] the temperature is usually more constant (unless your a/c unit is overloaded) [08:27] _RadioHead: its not totally unhandlable.. but it can get really messy [08:27] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-180.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:27] _RadioHead: whereas software raid can be recovered on anything running the same software so long as it is intact [08:27] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-24-164.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:27] hah that reminds me of that video of the guy screaming at the rack of drives [08:27] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [08:27] <_RadioHead> i already setup raid1 but yet is not in user , but i will listen you and use mdadm ,but what FS to use , i have bad experience with mdadm with reiserfs [08:28] GooseYArd, yep - saw that :) [08:28] GooseYArd: 3.8G [08:28] trhodes: suweet thanks [08:28] i only have ext4 in mdadm.. but ive no reason to think xfs wouldnt be a good choice and i use xfs exclusively on hw raid [08:28] <_RadioHead> Zordrak: ext3 or ext4 [08:28] hah it finished as I switched back over to this window [08:28] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [08:29] <_RadioHead> i`ll choose betwen ext4 or xfs Zordrak , yet to decide :) [08:30] _RadioHead: how big is the filesystem going to be? [08:31] <_RadioHead> 1TB [08:31] xfs [08:31] <_RadioHead> Zordrak: thx man [08:31] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp-108-136.redrover.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [08:31] My general rule is 320G or more and i use xfs [08:32] ext4 will rob you of about 50G or more on a 1TB fs [08:32] (ottomh) [08:32] <_RadioHead> i have / and /~ with ext4 but both are around 200gb :) [08:32] marleyde (~marleyde@189-041-41-237.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:32] *nod* [08:36] Nick change: chess_ -> chess [08:37] chess: Hi. (no agenda, just saying hi) [08:37] Zordrak: howdy :-) [08:37] bhanson (bhanson@isafailure.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [08:38] chess (~chess@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Changing host [08:38] chess (~chess@unaffiliated/chess) joined ##slackware. [08:38] <_RadioHead> bbl [08:38] artv61 (~user@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:40] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp-108-136.redrover.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: class [08:44] marleyde (~marleyde@189-041-41-237.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: [08:46] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.181) joined ##slackware. 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[09:53] Dominian: Indeed it is done [09:54] :) [09:54] Dominian: only half a dozen emails went out but I am fielding some irate replies :( [09:55] I bet [09:55] Report the IP to gmail abuse departmenet [09:55] just to give them a heads up [09:55] Dominian: I have done this, I know china is a sensitive issue with them at the moment [09:55] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:56] Dominian: So the same email to my web hosting company, MPlayer-users, sox-users and my wife... [09:57] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [09:58] andrew_46: wow [09:59] what is funny.. they didn't change your password [09:59] Dominian: Oddly enough I access gmail through fetchmail / procmail / mutt / msmtp but these emails were sent to the so-called 'Contacts' that were setup from the few times I used the web interface [09:59] Action: Dominian nods [09:59] Wonder where they got the password from originally then [10:00] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-24-176.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:00] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-26-95.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:00] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [10:00] Absolutely no idea, but not through pop3 access surely, must be the browser interface [10:01] odd [10:01] either that or you have an easy password [10:01] hehe [10:01] My mailserver gets hit by China IPs all the time.. but the ossec or fail2ban catches them and bans 'em [10:02] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet? [10:03] Anyway, I am going to sleep off this embarassment and cross my fingers that it is finished :( [10:04] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [10:04] andrew_46 (andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left ##slackware ("Thinking up a huuuuge password now....."). [10:05] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-169.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [10:08] _RadioHead (~slack@217.170.244.5) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:08] feinom (~feinom@svale.hia.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:08] Anyone ever changed a hostid on an Ultra1? [10:09] v3gard (~v3gard@svale.hia.no) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:17] Grifulkin (~ryan@wasp-75-248.potsdam.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:19] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:22] Gulug (old-times@134-100-73-76.ipv4.gulug.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:23] _RadioHead (~slack@217.170.244.2) joined ##slackware. [10:23] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:29] Zordrak: sparc? [10:29] artv61 (~user@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:29] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-176.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:30] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-162.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:30] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [10:30] Dominian: aye [10:30] Zordrak: hrm.. don't remember how to do that on sparc... [10:31] its been done before on this box but i dont know what method wmas usled [10:31] *was used [10:32] maybe this will help: http://www.squirrel.com/sun-nvram-hostid.faq.html [10:33] Ratrophy: thats where ive been working from so far [10:33] ok [10:34] using mkp and mkp1? [10:34] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:37] want to avoid writing to NVRAM for the mo [10:37] looking at the tools to do a per-boot change [10:37] ok [10:38] just wanna change the host id of the running kernel? [10:38] aye.. itll do for now [10:40] look for vmhid.tgz based on the hid2 source code [10:40] will do [10:40] or just find hid2 hehe [10:41] <_RadioHead> Zordrak: i will configure disks on raid1 with mdadm with xffs as you say :) , i changed storage options to ahci ... .again thx for help and info [10:41] workidng on the "simple" for 5.x [10:41] np [10:41] sjamma (~9962cb45@gateway/web/freenode/x-yphljtbuodfklsrr) left irc: Quit: Page closed [10:43] lol.. dur.. its there compiled for me [10:43] just didnt see it [10:44] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:47] Nick change: darkdevil -> DarkDevil [10:49] _RadioHead (~slack@217.170.244.2) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:51] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:52] _RadioHead (~Slackware@217.170.244.5) joined ##slackware. [10:52] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [10:52] <_RadioHead> finaly on my new i& [10:52] <_RadioHead> i7 sorry [10:53] <_RadioHead> Zordrak, Disk /dev/md0 doesn't contain a valid partition table , it is OK if i not fdisk md0 and make a partition ? i just created raid1. [10:55] timahvo11 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:59] <_RadioHead> brb [10:59] _RadioHead (~Slackware@217.170.244.5) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:59] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-22-170.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:59] md0 IS your partition [10:59] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-162.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:59] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [11:00] _RadioHead (~slack@217.170.244.4) joined ##slackware. [11:02] I'm guessing you wanna use md0 as your rootfs? [11:02] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:03] <_RadioHead> Ratrophy: nope [11:03] them put a filesystem on it and mount it where it needs to be [11:03] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-22-170.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:04] <_RadioHead> Ratrophy: thx man i usualy did this few times , but i asked though maybe is good to fdisk md0 , but i already create sdb1 and sdc1 add to raid1 and create fs .... [11:04] <_RadioHead> Ratrophy: thx [11:04] ya can't partition like that anyway with a raid device. Ya'd have to use LVM2 or something like that [11:05] since ya don't require a partition table, no need to fdisk the sucker hehe [11:05] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-11.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:05] <_RadioHead> Ratrophy: thank you , i never tried LVM2... [11:06] party on! [11:08] oh well it seems you can if you use the mdadm with the --auto option! [11:08] https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Partitioning_RAID_/_LVM_on_RAID [11:08] <_RadioHead> loading web .... [11:10] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-kgiatubqdqrmfsti) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:10] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:10] jonathanr (~vcbnxn@88-107-135-68.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [11:13] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:14] JohnnyAmerica (~Simon@213-64-113-37-no97.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:14] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:15] Nigromante (~Nigromant@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [11:16] _RadioHead (~slack@217.170.244.4) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:17] sirslacker (1000@s0419.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [11:17] HELP!!! srcforg is apparently dead; would someone test a download for anything? [11:18] hello humans [11:18] i'm not human [11:18] tripFantastic: you mean sf.net? [11:18] yes pls [11:18] its ok and working [11:18] good downl? [11:18] i guess yess [11:19] pls dont guess [11:19] grab a package [11:19] grabbed and ok [11:19] damn. no mirrors are working for me [11:19] I have a problem everytime I try to get on this channel from home I'm instantly kicked but when I join here at school it lets me on. [11:19] tripFantastic: have you checked you are not a vampire? [11:20] yes [11:20] lol [11:20] ah ok [11:20] multiple mirrors too [11:20] hi, does wicd support l2tp? [11:20] may depend on project [11:20] l2tp? [11:21] sf.net appears up to me [11:21] ty [11:21] NaCl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layer_2_Tunneling_Protocol [11:21] Grifulkin was kicked from ##slackware by slackboy [Banned: (Ah, our channel spammer, surferdude/spliff. you're banned.] [11:21] Grifulkin: it appears you are ban evading [11:22] oops; shoulda larnd to keep ya piehole shut [11:22] :) [11:22] what if he's not surferdude/spliff ? [11:22] Grifulkin: Might want to talk to the OPs [11:22] baisong (~baisong@125.33.165.236) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:22] NaCl: need this for a vpn connection! [11:23] no, he's not evading [11:23] Skywise: Sure he is [11:23] alright, yeah because I'm not surferdude/spliff [11:23] Nick change: DarkDevil -> darkdevil [11:23] Until the OPs remove it.. its evasion. [11:23] surferdude has been so the block has been expanding and expanding [11:23] Action: Dominian shrugs [11:23] Nick change: darkdevil -> DarkDevil [11:23] and they can add a +E exception to that ban if need be.. not sure if slackboy accepts those [11:23] q [11:23] wq [11:23] oops [11:23] er +e [11:23] sirslacker: no [11:24] and the last time thumbs expanded the mask, some others gettin banned was just collateral damage [11:24] I don't think so, anyway [11:24] well the ips are dynamic [11:24] thats why he banned their net block [11:24] the last I checked, thumbs isn't an OP in ##slackware [11:24] oh, then i misremembered [11:24] that heppens because of not using fingerprint based banning [11:24] happens [11:24] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-215-64.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:25] but i do remember the issue with surferdude [11:25] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:25] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:25] Point is, if the ban is firing, there's a reason for it. Best to speak to the OPs about it [11:25] instead of arguing who is who.. its firing for a reason. [11:25] Action: Dominian shrugs [11:25] okay and who should I talk to? [11:25] the boss [11:25] Grifulkin: /msg chanserv access ##slackware list [11:25] anyone on there with +o except slackboy you can talk to [11:26] thanks [11:27] Grifulkin: Keep in mind, I wasn't saying YOu were surferdude.. just saying that until its sorted its considered ban evasion and can look bad if its not talked out with the OPs and a resolution put in place :) [11:27] dom, he's guilty by assocIP! [11:27] heh HANG EM HIGH!!! [11:28] oh cmon, that's funi [11:28] actually, they're glad surferdude hasn't figured out proxies yet [11:28] hey all, I have slack 13.0 64-bit with some crappy onboard video.. the screen is not properly aligned on the monitor - looks to be about 10-20 pixels too far to the left. can anyone think of how to fix it? xrandr doesn't do anything (doesn't give an error, either) [11:29] fix your modelines [11:29] that can be a sticky issue [11:29] the fact is IRC is quite obsolote, we should be using certificates and so on [11:29] NoooOOO...--@@!!! [11:30] obsolete [11:30] tripFantastic: to what, though? I've never had to tinker with things to shift the screen [11:30] _RadioHead (~slack@217.170.244.4) joined ##slackware. [11:31] raendeer: check if that mode is supported by your monitor [11:31] well you have to now. [11:31] i have one frambuffer that insists on syncing at 59.9 instead of 60hz [11:31] i've just taken to resycning my monitor depending on which console i'm using [11:32] <_RadioHead> Ratrophy: thank you your link was very usefull. [11:32] sweet [11:32] hexdump_ (~hexdump@cpe-65-185-13-167.cinci.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:32] I have most stuff commented it out. it seemed to have picked out the prefered resolution fine, and the refresh and everything looks fine.. no obvious problems there. I don't have any documentation for the screen [11:33] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [11:33] then google the model [11:33] and use recommended mode [11:35] Nigromante: ugh, problem. looks like the monitor doesn't have the specific model on it, just the brand/general type. I'll look around, maybe see if any pictures match, but I think that's the best I can do [11:35] does the console (text mode) looks ok? [11:35] look [11:36] i think you wanna look at the vesa timing modes [11:36] Nigromante: yeah, nothing wrong there. definitely something with how X is set up [11:36] ok [11:36] which video adapter do you have? [11:37] I've tried using the vesa driver and the ast driver (which is what the card uses) [11:38] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-27-25.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:38] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-11.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:38] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [11:39] Nigromante: lspci gives ASPEED, but I know I found it more specifically somewhere.. looking it up [11:39] slack_ (~slack@217.170.244.2) joined ##slackware. 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[11:46] sirslacker (1000@s0419.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:47] hexdump_ (~hexdump@cpe-65-185-13-167.cinci.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:48] you can always buy an nvidia or similar and disable onboard video in bios [11:48] Zplay (~Zplay@vol21-4-88-166-136-159.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [11:48] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:49] Nigromante: this is a lab workstation - the graphics don't matter at all and I mostly ssh in. it's not a major problem, but I think it might confuse the other people in the lab if they ever get brave enough to use it [11:49] ah ok [11:50] hexdump_ (~hexdump@cpe-65-185-13-167.cinci.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:50] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [11:50] rrs (~rrs@92.125.217.32) joined ##slackware. [11:51] i know it was released in 1999 but i wish it had DESTDIR support.. [11:51] think I found out which model it is (or something similar), but google isn't pulling up anyone else with issues - I know under centos everything detected fine, but I didn't grab the xorg.conf before I switched to slack [11:51] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.106.134) joined ##slackware. [11:51] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [11:52] raendeer: I'm sure you can find a copy of a xorg.conf somewhere on the net? [11:53] thumbs: model number + xorg.conf didn't turn any up [11:54] Action: tripFantastic stabs perl, cobol, c++, c--, c+, fortran, Modula etal, erlang, d, e, f, g, haskell, ... i think i've made my Pernt. [11:55] Action: Necos stabs tripFantastic [11:55] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:55] :P [11:55] also, lg's site sucks and doesn't show me the specs on the model [11:55] how is [grunt] spelt? [11:55] heh [11:55] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:56] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [11:56] nille_ (1000@c-83-233-249-34.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [11:57] if anyone has the time, can they see if the horizsync/vertrefresh I need shows up here? specifications just shows me a picture of it http://www.lg.com/hk/it-product/monitor/LG-entertainment-W1943SE-PF.jsp [11:58] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:58] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [11:59] ok; here's a mental: i gotz some fiels local, i have ssh'd remote. i wanna send the former to the latter. [11:59] Go! [11:59] fiels/files [12:00] <_RadioHead> raendeer: what specs do you want? [12:00] Action: Necos blinks [12:00] heh, local abc tv is airing `andy griffith' show; omg i'm havin a flashback to a former century! [12:00] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [12:01] _RadioHead: whatever I need for xorg.conf, which should just be the HorizSync and VertRefresh, right? [12:01] <_RadioHead> i just take a look @ link and saw in General specs. [12:01] <_RadioHead> like Resolution [12:01] <_RadioHead> 1366*768 [12:01] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [12:01] errr really? crap, might have the wrong one then [12:01] hwinfo --framebuffer should tell you what modes you can support [12:02] but you might not have it installed [12:02] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:02] <_RadioHead> raendeer: take a look under General at Specifications [12:02] nope, not installed [12:02] blaines (~blaines@75-171-125-14.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:07] Action: Skywise has just discovered Fragile State, their complete works rock [12:07] 34 songs, and not one sucks [12:07] _RadioHead: definitely have the wrong model then.. thanks [12:08] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [12:08] 13 remixes and the rest are original version [12:09] <_RadioHead> np [12:09] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-27-25.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:11] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@12.189.110.2) joined ##slackware. [12:11] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-21-232.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:12] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:13] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:13] blaines (~blaines@75-171-125-14.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. 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[13:03] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:06] raendeer: xvidtune [13:06] use the gui to generate a modeline and add it to xorg.conf [13:07] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431577.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [13:07] Xires (~Xires@66.190.79.122) left irc: Quit: Xires [13:07] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431577.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:10] thieusoai (tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:11] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [13:12] raela|frankie (~raela|fra@ansci253135050.calsnet.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [13:13] I'm trying to get HAL to automount a usb stick when I plug it in in xfce 4.. right now it's spitting out an error and google isn't helping much. I put my user in the plugdev group - what else is needed? error is: [13:13] Failed to mount "1G Removable Volume". Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method call", sender=":1.23" (uid=1000 pid=7538 comm="exo-mount --hal-udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/v") interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member="Mount" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="org.freedesktop.Hal" (uid=0 pid=5078 comm="/usr/sbin/hald --daemon=yes")). [13:14] Grifulkin (~ryan@wasp-75-248.potsdam.edu) joined ##slackware. [13:15] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [13:17] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-116.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:18] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [13:18] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [13:19] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-27-5.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:20] raela|frankie (~raela|fra@ansci253135050.calsnet.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:22] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [13:26] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [13:26] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Client Quit [13:30] no idea, i get the same error >.> [13:31] guax (~guax@189.34.17.159) joined ##slackware. [13:31] guax (~guax@189.34.17.159) left irc: Changing host [13:31] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [13:33] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:33] i can't believe that no one else is havin this problem >.<; [13:33] raela, are you sure you've logged-out and back in since appending the new group? [13:33] use ls -l on the device node to be sure plugdev is there [13:35] thrice`: I did, then googled more and after a bit found I needed to restart the messagebus [13:35] feinoM (~feinom@142.84-49-171.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [13:36] Necos: add your user to the plugdev group, restart /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus, and you should be good [13:36] did that a long time ago actually :) [13:37] heh [13:38] Nick change: feinoM -> feinom [13:38] thrice` [13:38] what's up, you called for me yesterday [13:40] jonathanr (~vcbnxn@88-107-135-68.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:41] feinom (~feinom@142.84-49-171.nextgentel.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:44] someone called for jeev? >.> [13:44] Necos, go stand in the corner of the street where the local as*** will accidently run you over [13:47] hackedhead: about xvidtune, I don't want to push things out of the range it should go, especially since I have no documentation on what it is. thanks though. also, would getting the correct sync/refresh really shift it over? [13:47] Grifulkin (~ryan@wasp-75-248.potsdam.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:50] :P [13:52] gtl_ (~gtl@150.162.164.181) joined ##slackware. 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[14:12] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-kasncqubiugbaauu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:12] how do I wake up a remote computer through lan with a magic packet [14:13] find something for wake on lan [14:14] the netcard and the motherboard both have to support WOL [14:14] (as i discovered, once upon a time, netcard support does not always imply motherboard support) [14:14] yes [14:15] I have something like: ethtool -s wol g in /etc/rc.local_shutdown in the remote computer [14:15] yep. [14:16] then you just send the magic packet to the broadcast address of the lan router [14:16] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:17] I only have a switch [14:17] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:17] that's fine [14:17] I had a program that could send the magic packet but I can barely remember [14:18] dissociative: google for a new one, they're a dime a dozen [14:20] I have a package called "wakeonlan" [14:20] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:21] Thre is also a perl script I think, called "wol" [14:21] is there a official slackware netinstall iso ? [14:21] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:21] No [14:21] aye ok [14:21] it doesnt neeed one [14:21] yep thats what im thinking [14:22] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [14:22] You can use this though: http://slackware.com/~alien/slackboot/mini/ [14:22] oh right nice [14:22] well done to Eric whoever that might be [14:23] It would be me [14:23] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:23] :D [14:23] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.49.99) joined ##slackware. [14:23] does wake on lan also work when suspending to ram [14:24] but rc.local_shutdown isnt run in that process [14:25] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.235.128) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:26] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:29] stuart__ (~stuart@124.13.52.120) joined ##slackware. [14:32] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:32] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:33] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.49.99) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:35] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [14:40] marleyde (~marleyde@189-041-41-237.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:45] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: gone for the day [14:46] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.54.253) joined ##slackware. [14:48] dropbox users: When I suspend / resume the laptop, dropbox-client stays stuck in "connecting". Happens to anyone? [14:50] stuart__ (~stuart@124.13.52.120) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:50] dissociative: probably need to add your ethtool wol line to the suspend to ram hook script [15:00] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:02] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [15:05] does can suspend to ram and stand by can coexist [15:05] in my bios setup I have an option for choosing the suspend type but I can choose only one of those [15:05] standby does not switch off the power [15:05] and is not a suspend type [15:06] you are probably talking about S1 (STD) and S3 (STR) [15:06] it seems [15:06] whatss std? [15:07] Suspend To Disk [15:07] AKA "hibernate" [15:07] no, [15:07] STR= suspend to RAM AKA sleep" [15:08] I think that I see still see "disk" in /sys/power/state when I choose the suspend type in bios setup to STR [15:08] Nick change: hd -> jd [15:09] If I choose the other suspend type, I think that mem changes to standby [15:09] and disk is still [15:09] it has to, doesn't it ? [15:10] lets see the mainboard manual [15:10] I see [15:11] the other suspend type is POS [15:11] S1(POS) [15:11] Power On Suspend [15:11] not STD [15:11] however, STR is obviously also a form of powered on, since the RAM needs voltage [15:12] dissociative: great, did that bring you any further ? [15:12] yes [15:12] I dont know why I cant have both POS and STR available [15:13] because... you can only choose ONE in the BIOS ? [15:13] biker (~biker@201.170.55.180.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] that doesnt seems to be a good argument [15:14] adaptr: That sounds more like an artificial restriction then a "real" reason. ;) [15:15] why not ? it's obviously THE reason [15:15] Nick change: darkdevil -> DarkDevil [15:15] well, let's suppose that the ACPI spec only has room for one suspend type [15:17] aside I dont know if its a hardware or software limitation, but the acpi supports starts to jerk when devices start to allocate resources [15:18] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:18] ovnicraft (1000@190.154.246.76) joined ##slackware. [15:19] I have to use acpi=force in the kernel when I boot with pci cards [15:20] stuart__ (~stuart@124.13.48.39) joined ##slackware. [15:23] groo_ (~groo@187.46.223.83) joined ##slackware. [15:23] groo_ (~groo@187.46.223.83) left irc: Client Quit [15:23] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.54.253) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:24] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. 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[15:43] MrJackson (~MrJackson@173-86-43-218.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [15:43] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWMhyWP6gJE [15:43] it is not [15:44] I have also a sepparate one plugged in but it doesnt seem to suppor wol [15:45] how do you update the base slackware system for security updates? [15:46] slackpkg upgrade-all [15:47] dustybin, you upgradpkg from the patches dir of your favorite mirror [15:47] ace :D [15:48] i am going to print out the whole slackware manual [15:48] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [15:48] w00t [15:48] put it in a nice folder :D [15:48] Maybe Alan_Hicks will finish version 3 of the Slackbook tomorrow. [15:48] ace :D [15:49] anybody running 2.6.34-rc4? [15:49] and it will be obsolete by the end of the week [15:49] keep it in pdf, trees didn't do nuttin to you [15:49] well, not rc4, git head [15:49] why not get a pda or something [15:50] i have a feeling a .34 stable is days away [15:52] my sata drive stopped booting using 2.6.33.1's config with the current kernel head [15:52] I'm sure I'm doing something dumb [15:53] i'm sure you're right [15:53] if you download the latest stable kernel version from kernel.org and compile it yourself [15:53] do you need to patch anything for it to work on your slack system [15:53] my system kernel panics on boot with 33.1 [15:53] no [15:53] dustybin: varies, not usually [15:53] you really should consider make oldconfig [15:54] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-188-120.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:54] right ok [15:54] Grifulkin (~ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:54] you really only need to make sure the kernel has support for your hardware [15:54] alisonken1home: do you remember which module its panicking in? [15:54] the os doesn't really care otherwise [15:54] ea_suter (~easuter@nat-1.uevora.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:54] seems to be around the ohci area - that's about the closest I can glimpse before it kernel panics off the screen [15:54] jeev, I saw that your friend Rush made $360 Million last year [15:55] i think this is libsata related but its not the old hda/sda switcheroo [15:55] complete core dump [15:55] stuart__ (~stuart@124.13.48.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:55] alisonken1home, did you try pressing the pause key before it blows up? [15:57] S? [15:57] no, the pause key up on the top right of the keyboard [15:57] you know, those 3 keys up there you never use [15:57] ah [15:57] skew (~silvia@217.201.98.236) joined ##slackware. [15:57] no - needed to get the desktop back up at the house, so went back to 13.0 [15:58] neBu (0@neBu.ro) joined ##slackware. [15:58] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [15:58] neBu kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using IRC as root is dangerous. Please reference "Using IRC as root" via google for further information. [15:58] I upgraded t0 64-current on friday, but with me having the weekend watch from the house, had to get it back to stable so I could work [15:59] you could also turn on remote logging so you'll see the boot messages on another machine [15:59] but it might not send anything if syslogd/klogd doesn't get started [16:00] Skywise, like I noted, needed the system up for the weekend, so no time to t/s [16:00] actually, the way to t/s it would be serial port console [16:02] i have no idea where any of my serial cables are, but i got ethernet cables all over [16:02] Chrysalis (~UD@unaffiliated/chrysalis) joined ##slackware. [16:02] serial2rj45, then ethernet cable for the connection :) [16:03] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.87.76) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [16:03] remember, x86 systems need the jumpers in order to get around the cts/rts pins [16:04] to conenct two computers via serial? [16:04] besides, my old laptop with the db9 serial port was at the MIL's house [16:04] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.7.240) joined ##slackware. [16:04] mmm null modem cables/adapters. gotta love 'em [16:04] NyteOwl, yes - it's not like sun boxen where you only need rx/tx/data ground wires [16:04] yes I know. [16:04] Action: NyteOwl ncient [16:05] ancient [16:05] google is my counselor [16:05] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [16:05] Action: alisonken1home still uses them at the office for remote serial consoles on servers - and ancient as well :) [16:05] or at least old enough [16:06] stuart__ (~stuart@124.13.48.39) joined ##slackware. [16:06] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [16:06] I regret letting go of an old dec vt220 [16:07] it's funny how you can grow attached to old hw that has no real current value [16:07] sentimental value [16:08] actually, an old dec vt220 would still be valuable as a serial console [16:08] good for watching the console while running gui [16:08] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:09] yeah they are incredibly useful [16:11] i run my machines with a kvm so i can ssh in or use the kvm for a console [16:11] yep, much more exciting than using a line printer [16:11] oh man, i used to have the sexiest line printer [16:11] it was an OTC 850 [16:12] had 3 heads and it would chew up paper like a shredder [16:12] besides the base slackware system, what other applications / tools do you run on top of it? do you compile yourself / build packages ? [16:12] it was crazy fast [16:12] i loved watching it work cause it was so hard to believe it [16:12] Skywise: we had some kind of gigantic dec line printer that the university printed grades on [16:13] the whole floor used to shake when that bastard was going [16:13] yeah, those were different, the otc was dot matrix [16:14] those line printers were like typewriters [16:14] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431577.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:14] they were crazy too [16:15] it made an astounding amount of dust also [16:15] the dec man had to come completely tear it down and put it together again about once a year [16:15] Grifulkin (~ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:16] yeah, you have to do that cause they'll break down otherwise [16:16] if it was me there'd have been parts all over the fucking place [16:16] they used to make these "soundproofing" enclosures [16:17] yeah, for these they're called buildings [16:17] mancha: hah yes this was in one of those, like a foam and metal sandwhich box with a lid [16:17] blaines (~blaines@174-17-165-196.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:17] blaines_ (~blaines@174-17-165-196.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:17] yep, like weathersripping foam [16:17] *weatherstripping [16:18] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:18] Grifulkin (~Ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:18] marleyde (~marleyde@189-041-41-237.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: [16:18] i want to shoot FF >.> [16:19] The feeling is mutual. Instead of shooting, though, it grinds to a near-halt, but pretends to show progress. [16:19] its run out of memory to leak [16:19] you'll need to buy some more [16:19] the otc 850 can do 136 chars per line at 850 characters per second [16:19] the problem i'm having is with scim-bridge tho... [16:20] and #scim is useless [16:20] the top of the line is the otc 1450 now [16:20] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:21] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:21] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [16:23] so far i haven't wanted to shoot firefox. do you guys use noscript or adblock? [16:24] stuart__ (~stuart@124.13.48.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:24] I use chrome. no worries [16:25] i use both, adblock all the time, noscript when browsing unknown sites [16:26] well that's what i'm wondering, i.e. why people want to shoot FF all the time. so far i haven't felt that way. i don't get it. [16:26] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: garoto-- [16:26] like i said, the problem is not with FF per se, any app that uses scim-bridge [16:26] oh [16:26] *but any app... [16:26] i've played with scim a small amount, it seemed ok [16:26] skew (~silvia@217.201.98.236) left irc: Quit: notte [16:26] the first thing i do after installing the flash plugin is install flashblock :P [16:26] but it was in Hiragana. i'm not going to try kanji with it. [16:26] but the problem only started after i installed FF 3.6 [16:26] i've used adblock+ for so long, i am very shocked when i use or see someone else's pc at the amount of screen spam.. quite literally in your face all the time and consuming 75% of the page resources [16:26] which is VERY strange [16:27] mancha, lol well noscript blocks flash too (fwiw) [16:27] yeah i absolutely can't stand screen spam and ads [16:27] even if i know they're raising money for a good cause [16:27] phrags: No joke. Same way here. [16:27] the internet has stuff floating in it. use a strainer 8-) [16:27] adblock+ is the ballz [16:28] I like adblock+ and flashblock [16:28] and i do nothing fancy, just easylist [16:29] i don't add rules unless one ad gets through. i use easy list [16:29] when i used to make my own rule sets though, sometimes blocking ads was very easy (i.e. making the rules) because some of the nicer ones use very easy patterns like [non-letter]ad[non-letter] etc [16:30] mozilla-thunderbird does the same thing [16:30] i even noticed today some girl with msn messenger open, massive flash banner at the bottom of the IM window, rotating every so often, blinking and flashing and doing anything it can to grab yoru attention... it caught my attention from the otherside of the room. It's a shame people just take that as the norm and don't even question it. [16:30] yeah and it's frickin annoying too [16:31] blaines_ (~blaines@174-17-165-196.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: blaines_ [16:31] i'm surprised any epileptics aren't suing msn for triggering seizures lol [16:31] I have to use AIM for intraoffice IM. But for some reason I can't get Pidgin to connect, so I ahve to use the official client. [16:31] I HATE it [16:31] some crafty filters on the F5 would save my perifferal [16:32] blaines (~blaines@174-17-165-196.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:32] aim is who now>? [16:32] aol instant messenger [16:32] oh who ... [16:33] blaines (~blaines@174-17-165-196.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [16:33] aol right? [16:33] It's weird, cause most of my office can connect w/ Pidgin, but one or two workstations or accounts, not sure witch, have the same problem I have [16:33] i mean it was handed off a few times...right? [16:33] why is everyone called 'Bob' here? [16:33] stuart__ (~stuart@124.13.53.173) joined ##slackware. [16:34] I was Bob before Bob was cool. [16:34] lol [16:34] slackware.com/propaganda (i think) [16:34] My name is actually inspired by VeggieTales. [16:34] Was originally "Fried Green Bob" [16:35] ah, so you're not a member of the CotSG then ? [16:35] matt0 (~matt0@60-241-58-23.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [16:35] J.R. "Bob" Dobbs, www.subgenius.com [16:35] matt0 (matt0@60-241-58-23.tpgi.com.au) left ##slackware. [16:35] not to be confused with Lou Dobbs [16:35] i can't believe i might actually have to go to #linux to figure out the solution to this problemn [16:35] *problem [16:36] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [16:36] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:39] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [16:40] on the scim webpage, the latest version listed is 1.4.7... how'd we get 1.4.9? [16:41] black magic, Necos [16:41] :P [16:42] seriously though... i wonder if this is being pulled from cvs/git/etc... [16:42] neBu (1000@neBu.ro) joined ##slackware. [16:43] 1.4.9 reminds me of gnupg and my attempts to fuggle with my smartcard reader ... oh well. time to do it again, sam. --- i think. as long as the ash is raining down on us :) [16:43] hello [16:43] bribe money [16:43] hello neBu. hows things in romania? [16:44] or a git pull they couldnt refuse. [16:44] lol [16:44] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430454.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:45] nice, no problem [16:45] i'll give you $5k cash and a ticket for two to the virgin islands for 1.4.9 [16:45] hehehe [16:47] neBu (1000@neBu.ro) left irc: Client Quit [16:47] ++ [16:48] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:49] Action: Skywise hastily cuts and pastes 1.4.9 on all the source codes [16:49] neBu (1000@neBu.ro) joined ##slackware. [16:50] har (~harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:51] http://pastebin.com/yH3CV9Cj [16:56] stuart__ (~stuart@124.13.53.173) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:57] Necos: that's an awful lot of faults :P [16:57] mancha: i read that as $5k cash and two virgins , o well i can find semi virgins on the virgin islands [16:57] Necos: Is there something that libscim depends on that is missing? [16:57] Necos: from my analysis that guy segfault is the problem [16:58] Necos: strace whatever you're running and try to debug from there [16:58] I dont feel like scrolling up to see what weird issues you are dealing with on a Monday afternoon [16:59] i think it is interesting all the addy's end in "887" [17:00] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ... [17:01] stuart__ (~stuart@124.13.53.173) joined ##slackware. [17:01] Necos, humor me. printenv | grep scim [17:04] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.2.153) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:04] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-169.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:08] urban (~urban@c-62-220-167-246.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [17:08] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.56.94) joined ##slackware. [17:09] Nick change: urban -> Guest26426 [17:10] that's from scim-bridge [17:11] http://pastebin.com/TX4GJEGf [17:12] stuart__ (~stuart@124.13.53.173) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:12] it's set from scim.sh [17:15] ovnicraft (1000@190.154.246.76) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:16] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466876 [17:17] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:17] redhat, wait ... sure drepper isnt involved, Necos ? ;) [17:18] it looks like this "bug" has been around for a while [17:19] and i see i know one of the dudes replying ... k, ill mail him, hes online atm, if i dont get back to you in 2h i cant help. [17:20] lol [17:20] the fedora connection ;) [17:20] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:22] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:22] i wonder if i should upgrade to -current and see if it doesn't go away [17:22] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: ... [17:23] i kinda need my japanese input [17:24] anata wa nihonjin [17:24] ? [17:25] no, i'm not... :P [17:25] silly otaku [17:25] do you wear black trench coats ? [17:25] nah, i'm actually studying japanese for the EJU [17:26] so i can apply to tohoku uni for graduate physics [17:26] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [17:26] and play guitar under trees on campus [17:26] nice [17:26] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Examination_for_Japanese_University_Admission [17:27] you going there for the experience or a special program ? [17:27] experience [17:28] ahhh , it'll be an interesting one to say the least [17:28] they're doing some solid state / nuclear physics research that i'm interested in [17:28] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:29] dios_mio (mirc@88.242.174.216) joined ##slackware. [17:29] I can't wait till I start my grad classes this fall. [17:30] i'm still a year off, but i'm trying to keep my options for applying to foreign schools open [17:30] and since japanese is the hardest for me to learn, i'm putting most of my effort into learning it [17:30] necos [17:30] I start this fall, a Masters in Forensic Studies (Accounting Track) [17:30] if japan sees csun, they'll deny you [17:30] hahaha [17:30] jeev, no :P [17:30] Necos: just watch dragonball [17:30] lol [17:30] they'll be like, whaa? only armos go to csun, this guy be faking us out [17:31] keep saying powero upo to every question [17:31] you and your damn armenians jeev :P [17:31] Necos, i dont condone csun armos [17:31] but i'm not a csun armo, so stfu :P [17:31] YOU WISH YOU WAS FOO [17:32] i just wish i could catch one slippin so i could crack 'em upside the head and sell off their car [17:32] :P [17:32] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:32] lol [17:32] they're all vulnerable [17:32] just show them a hot girl they have no chance with, there's your shot [17:32] lol [17:33] mike epps is gonna be at csun tomorrow btw [17:33] will slackbook 3.0 really be released tomorrow? [17:33] crazy [17:34] yeah, it should be awesome... i'm gonna be on campus all day tomorrow :) [17:34] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.181) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:34] dustybin: Highly unlikely. I said that mostly to guilt him into finishing it. [17:34] Necos: bad news. the "i dont really care anymore" factor won the argument [17:34] aye ok :D [17:35] troy (~quassel@jefferai.org) joined ##slackware. [17:35] hola folks [17:35] hehehe [17:35] To which he will probably reply "Contribute or Die." [17:36] apart from the obvious nudge towards ibus, ... thats it [17:36] well, the comedy fiesta should be fun as hell [17:36] wondering what's the recommended way of getting 32-compat running on current (64) these days? [17:36] jg71, yeah, it's weird, but that's STILL an issue... [17:36] i don't think slack uses ibus at all tho [17:36] troy: get all the scripts. get all the packages. go for it. apply sense first tho. [17:37] troy: When I used multilib, I used alienBOB's packages: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib [17:38] thats what i meant. he said 32-compat ;) [17:44] troy: make sure you use the packages for "13.1" as those are intended for -current. [17:44] poincare101 (~poincare1@c-174-58-20-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:44] Nick change: e01 -> e01|sleep [17:44] this sucks >.<; [17:44] dissociative (~alejandro@190.71.17.199) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:45] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=464082 <--- this is with thunderbird [17:45] hello. I'm trying to install slackware on VirtualBox. I don't have a CD, I'm just using the ISO for Disc 1 for virtual box. I just reached the part where I need to install the stuff and it asks me where I want to install from, what should I put? [17:45] stuart__ (~stuart@124.13.50.108) joined ##slackware. [17:45] poincare101: CD rom [17:45] CD [17:45] Grifulkin (~Ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:45] thank you. [17:46] auto or manual? [17:46] auto [17:46] yay! [17:47] grand auto deiety [17:47] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [17:47] goddamn this is annoying >.<; [17:49] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.56.94) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:49] guess i'll kill scim and try ibus [17:50] sounds like a plan [17:52] i <3'd scim though... it's a sad day... [17:53] but scim never loved you back [17:53] you gotta move on , get a haircut , lose the weight and find a new love [17:53] yeah, apparently, i'm getting out of an abusive relationship lol [17:54] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [17:54] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [17:54] Action: troy has so many packages on his system with alien in the name that I feel like I'm running a fork :) [17:55] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [17:55] troy: or you're running -current-next ;) .. who knows how many of those will end up becoming official? [17:56] hehehe [17:57] official packages are always fun [17:57] well, I use his kde packages, which always adds a lot of headache when trying to keep the rest of current... current :) [17:57] :P [17:57] how's -current these days? [17:58] I'm liking it :) lots of out-of-the-box hardware things working so nicely [17:58] Necos: it's up-to-date [17:58] we just need to add the wacom driver somehow - the kernel has it, but xorg doesn't [17:58] i'm running -current from ~feb. [17:59] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!0@* expired. [17:59] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [17:59] how often do you normally pull updates? [17:59] every two weeks or so [17:59] or whenever I know alien has new kde packages [17:59] every couple of months usually [17:59] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:59] Action: troy is waiting for kde 4.5 - first time in a while he has contributed code to kde :) [17:59] Necos: why not just use the stable releases then? [18:00] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:01] i don't see the problem with not updating -current every day :P [18:01] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430454.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:02] No, but if you're waiting months between updates what's the difference? [18:02] to get updated packages for things that i use [18:02] e.g., gtk [18:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430454.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:03] hcfd (~fed@host86-131-165-23.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:03] why conflub my install with mismatched versions of packages, when i can just upgrade to -current every so often [18:03] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [18:04] hcfd (~fed@host86-131-165-23.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [18:04] I usually update -current as soon as new updates come out. That's what -current is for IMO. [18:04] stuart__ (~stuart@124.13.50.108) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:05] i'm not always at liberty to update exactly when it comes out, but once every month or every other month, i'll get the necessary updates [18:05] stuart__ (~stuart@124.13.52.5) joined ##slackware. [18:06] ah shit... [18:06] necessary. hm. ;) [18:06] wxGTK and wxPython can't be installed at the same time >.> [18:06] benagain (~benagain@essen.physics.ucsb.edu) joined ##slackware. [18:06] you don't need to. [18:06] don't they do the same thing? [18:06] yeah, real bummer. hit that thing too, Necos [18:06] python madness [18:06] switching from scim to ibus, and running in to problems >.> [18:07] Necos: wxPython has wxGTK [18:07] it's confusing because of the wx-part [18:07] re-read that part : This package conflicts with wxGTK because it's already included in wxPython. [18:07] benagain (~benagain@essen.physics.ucsb.edu) left irc: Client Quit [18:08] at least it was not clearly stated that the better one includes the little brother when i last cursed it all to hell [18:08] lol [18:08] that's kind of important to know... why bother with wxGTK then? for people that don't have python installed? >.> [18:08] see, thats my point [18:09] Hmm... you'd think that they'd just make wxGTK a dependency of wxPython [18:09] but if you're running slackware, chances are you have python installed... [18:09] thought, maybe for some slim install thingy of interest [18:09] gaz (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:10] id love to have some "install just the most basic stuff" option in setup [18:10] hey alienBOB and fred: the compat32 stuff works great :) thanks for all your work [18:11] that would be nice, actaully... [18:11] troy, dont forget about security updates [18:11] In Slackware? It's called package series a/ :P [18:11] (slim install, that is) [18:11] hah, eviljames ;) [18:12] I get the feeling Slackware isn't really well-suited to that sort of thing [18:12] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:12] im running too many vps with slack 12.0 still [18:12] :P [18:12] jg71: yeah - I'm wondering if I can hack multi-repo support into slackpkg so I can pull from 64-current, -current (plus conversion), and alienbob's kde stuff in one go :) [18:13] LnxSlck (1000@92.250.54.245) joined ##slackware. [18:13] just saying cos it's obvious (to me ...) but it's nowhere stated [18:13] that just sounds painful [18:13] that, too [18:14] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.49.151) joined ##slackware. [18:14] well, since it'll take 3 years to compile wxPython, guess it's a good time to get out of the office and get some fresh air lol [18:14] troy: I don't recommend it. I could hack multilib support into slackpkg, but it would be very painful (and so I won't.) [18:14] now you see why i was cursing ,Necos ;) [18:17] stuart__ (~stuart@124.13.52.5) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:17] I wonder why slackware isn't extremely popular, its quite nice... [18:17] IMHO, Slackware does not seem as well suited to a "modular" install approach as Gentoo or Debian. I know you can pick and choose which individual packages get installed, but without some assistance with dependencies... there are a lot of packages in slackware and I doubt there are many people who know the full depenency tree for each of them. [18:18] sitwon: This is something you learn to resolve for yourself. If a component doesn't work, you track down the dependencies to figure out what you need to install. [18:19] _slax0r_ (fire@slackware.x-shells.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:19] Also, if you've never seen Ubuntu try to remove desktop-essentials when you tell it to uninstall nano, then you don't understand how much freedom Slackware actually gives. [18:19] I'm just messing around with distros on my debian box to see one I like, so far, slack and arch are two good candidates (apt-get is more of curse than a blessing, 99% of the stuff hasn't been updated since the past year) [18:19] what jkwood said++ [18:20] I love slackware - but I think that's partially because the people creating it are all crazy :) [18:20] jkwood: or wanting to remove swfdec (or whatever it's called) and it wants to remove gnome right along with it. [18:20] fire|bird: thats intentional [18:20] did pat ever tell you guys about his alien abduction suicide cult experience? :P [18:20] It's making you make the sane decision [18:20] _slax0r_ (fire@slackware.x-shells.org) joined ##slackware. [18:20] slackware is for those that could do it all on their own, but don't feel like proving it [18:21] fire|bird: Yeah, I'd call that a feature. [18:21] Skywise: aye :) LFS, precompiled :) [18:21] straterra: haha, good point. [18:21] jkwood: yeah, true, I don't care all that much for gnome, I use KDE. [18:22] jkwood: I understand that. And I'm not saying the package manager needs to regulate dependencies, but it would be helpful if there was a method for hinting at dependencies rather than installing a package, finding out it doesn't work, tracking down the dependency, repeat. [18:22] jkwood: also, if you don't know how to tell apt to remove a package that is marked as a dependency you don't know Debian very well [18:22] Reading the package description tends to alleviate that. [18:22] Linux from scratch is really good book. I might make my own lin. distro some day... [18:23] package descriptions don't always list dependencies, and when they do they only list a few [18:24] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [18:24] No, but they often hint at it. "This is a Python library that..." tells you that it likely depends on Python. [18:25] _slax0r_ (fire@slackware.x-shells.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:25] I'm not saying it's perfect, but you learn these little tricks. [18:25] jkwood: yes, but a package could have more than one dependency. Like it might depend on another pyhton librarby that's not listed in the description [18:25] Oh believe me, I've learned them. I've been using Slackware for 10 years and I love it [18:26] The nice thing about Python stuff is that it almost invariably has a mechanism to tell you what's missing. [18:26] For other things, ldd is a fantastic tool. [18:26] But I typically do a full-install (at least initially) because it's just less of a hassle than going through and resolving dependency chains by hand [18:26] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:27] _slax0r_ (fire@slackware.x-shells.org) joined ##slackware. [18:27] Which is the recommended path anyhow, most of the time. [18:27] lfs is really nice to dive into if yar sick for 2 weeks straight. [18:28] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [18:28] jkwood: yes, but it's not always obvious which package libxasfwefwf belongs to. If I have a system with a full install I can grep /var/log/packages to find out, but otherwise it's a lot of googling [18:30] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [18:30] sitwon: http://noobfarm.org/?id=42 [18:32] Sadly, that's sometimes how I feel :( I mean seriously, I tried building X.org from source and that shit is confusing [18:33] hello [18:33] If X.org weren't required,I think Pat would drop it just like he did Gnome. [18:33] any one to help me with a problem in ro? [18:33] _slax0r_ (fire@slackware.x-shells.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:34] neBu, um, what problem? and no, i don't want to help you in private if that's what you're asking [18:34] So I guess what I'm saying is. Slackware might suck, but it's the least sucky so it wins by default. [18:34] ro = Romania(n) [18:35] right, not privat chat [18:35] oh sorry, don't know romanian 8-( [18:35] no problem :P [18:35] i waiting a romanian :) [18:35] theres one right here... [18:35] ... no wait. thats you. [18:36] gnite folks [18:36] necropresto (~necropres@unaffiliated/necropresto) joined ##slackware. [18:36] neBu, i have a friend who is online on facebook who knows Romanian, i am messaging her to see if she is awake/at keyboard [18:37] "necopresto" = "dead quick" ? [18:37] ok thanks [18:37] wouldnt that be necropresto, Delahunt ? [18:38] hmm [18:38] the R is kinda important I think [18:38] oops s/neco/necro/ [18:38] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [18:39] Action: troy always does a full install because, seriously, disk space is cheap :) [18:39] neBu, she must be away from her computer [18:40] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.11.167) left irc: Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com ) [18:40] troy, true. i tend to uninstall servers/services i don't need however because they could pose a security vulnerability (or so i hear) [18:40] ok Delahunt thnaks for try :P [18:41] Action: Delahunt lols at "FML" "in soviet russia, life @#$s YOU!" [18:41] None of them should be running by default, iirc. [18:41] Delahunt: huauha [18:41] depends on the usage. vps, hell yeah. slim. desktop ... i dont bother. [18:41] right, but there's aren't many of them around by default, and it's usually simplest just to turn them off rather than have to worry about upgrades reinstalling them later [18:41] neBu, you are welcome [18:41] I don't think just having them installed would be much of a risk on most systems [18:42] sitwon: agreed [18:42] jkwood, troy yeah i'm saying "i heard", i.e. from those security-centric websites. don't know if it's a valid concern or just paranoia. [18:42] but I suppose if you're paranoid about security it would make you feel better to remove the packages altogether [18:42] i dont have any compilers on my vps machines [18:42] sitwon: but you know, the more software on a system, the more attack vectors there are :) [18:42] bake the fine packages @ home in via virtualboxen [18:42] i thought about it and if they gain root, a server not being installed wouldn't pose much of a problem since when you have root you can install stuff [18:42] but i guess the user might notice the CPU lag / network traffic [18:43] he wouldnt [18:43] Delahunt: presto is the magician from dungeon & dragons [18:43] Delahunt: a 80's tv series [18:43] I've spent some time building a very minimal Slackware to help my vps provider out, so I've got a pretty good idea of what's needed and what's not. [18:44] jkwood: it depends what you want [18:44] yeah, I've thought about maintaining my own package set for slackware, and just synching against the official one as needed [18:45] for a vps provider, a bootstrap-ish install is all you need. basic a/ some n/ ... thats it [18:45] jkwood: a good minimal installation is A series and iputils, network-scripts and net-tools (from N series) [18:45] Don't even need all of A. I've got a list here somewhere. [18:45] yup [18:46] I replace elvis with vim, just because I'm tricky like that. [18:46] Action: troy uses nano on basic systems [18:46] misses pico though [18:47] necropresto, ah [18:47] jkwood: its the absolute minimal list to a server: http://pastebin.com/hMsxPeNP [18:47] Action: Delahunt hugs nano [18:47] sitwon: Best reason of all to use Slackware: http://noobfarm.org/index.php?id=690 [18:47] u can remove ssl, but ssh i consider important [18:47] i use pico [18:47] necropresto: I've done this twice for my vps provider, I'm perfectly aware of what all's needed. [18:48] hahaha - I was there - there were more slackware devs present at our release party than any other distro :) [18:48] For a Xen provider, you can leave out the kernel stuff, since they give you the kernel host-side. [18:49] troy: We lurvs the KDE. [18:49] kde4 ... your nick is aptly named, troy [18:49] Action: jkwood wishes he had been able to attend [18:49] Action: jg71 would attend a fluxbox release party ;) [18:49] Action: troy was one of the event planners for that one :) learnt firsthand how crazy rworkman is :) [18:50] what does one do at such a party [18:50] sanity checks. all day long [18:50] Skywise: lots of talks, and inter-project communication stuff [18:50] Skywise: If rworkman was there, it involved lemons. [18:50] hahahahahahahahahah [18:50] now that sound interesting [18:50] jkwood: you sir, are awesome. [18:50] Skywise: google hosted it, so we had some of their kernel devs there and such to try to figure out how to make things better [18:51] Skywise: and since we're an upstream rather than a distro, it's a good chance for people from many distros to collaborate [18:51] that's as sophisticated as jkwood gets [18:51] as opposed to FUDcon or such where it's just one distro [18:51] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:51] i actually attended one fudcon ... just for the fun of it. [18:52] never ran fedora... :) [18:52] So I'm guessing that Kubuntu didn't send anyone? ;) [18:52] i haven't gone to a conference in years, i'd rather read about it [18:52] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:52] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [18:52] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [18:52] jkwood: well, jriddell was there [18:52] only takes an hour [18:52] Skywise: this was a good one - google bought all the hotels and catered and everything :) [18:53] even bought us booze :) [18:53] did ribbery attend too? [18:53] Hopefully I can make the GSoC Mentor Summit this year. [18:53] jlarrew (~WallRat00@c-68-43-1-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:54] Pat drove down from moorhead in pretty much one sitting, ingesting enormous amounts of red bull [18:54] Zplay (~Zplay@vol21-4-88-166-136-159.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Quit: Quitte [18:54] u can came to slackshow at brazil [18:55] Action: troy wonders how to get to brazil cheaply [18:55] Action: jg71 wonders if there are any slackevents worth attending in yurope ... dont know of any [18:55] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:55] i need some asst [18:56] go ahead, tripFantastic ... some charge by the hour in here [18:56] tryin to deploy a wiki and i'm gettin stuck on implementation. [18:56] ty [18:56] wiki is going to be remote [18:56] troy: you could join peace corp [18:56] Skywise: no peace corp in soviet canuckistan :) [18:56] spent the day looking for a light-weight wiki; i found some pkgs that i have to review [18:57] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.7.240) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:57] tripFantastic: so all of this for 'i'm looking for recommendations for light weight wiki'? :) [18:57] canuckistan? wtf? [18:57] jewbacca: canada :) [18:57] attended linuxtag, froscon, fosdem, clt last year ... not seen a single slack tshirt [18:58] jewbacca: slang for canadian is canuck [18:58] ananke no, i'll review the pkgs i ftpd then decide [18:58] jewbacca: and since everyone in the us thinks we're socialist commie scum... [18:58] jewbacca: soviet canuckistan :) [18:58] tripFantastic: so, what do you need 'asst' with? [18:58] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:58] they think that about everyone, its nothing personal [18:58] Action: Delahunt says price all the online ticket sites and see which is cheapest [18:58] troy: oh... [18:59] tripFantastic: in soviet russia, president inspects your ftp packages for you [18:59] jewbacca, Skywise: plus, it's funny :) [18:59] jg71: Did you by chance take in the FreedroidRPG talk while at FOSDEM? [18:59] jg71 i'd rather a vis from Medvedev [18:59] jg71 i might be able to "take him on" [19:00] ananke a cup-o-chocolate and a hug? :)~ [19:00] jkwood: nope. but i attended both tso's and hpa's talks [19:00] ananke what tool to transfer files to remote; (ssh in use) [19:00] tripFantastic: do you have kde installed? [19:00] console [19:01] tripFantastic: rsync [19:01] k [19:01] tripFantastic: ah - scp then, mostly likely [19:01] ok [19:01] jkwood: did you attend as well? [19:01] with kde you can enter in the address bar of konq/dolphin/file-dialogs fish://server.com/home/username/foo and it just magically works on any server that has ssh installed [19:02] ok [19:02] No, but I'm part of the development team for it. [19:02] ah k [19:02] troy: same with lftp under console [19:02] quite handy [19:03] Yes, I do love fish:// [19:03] surrounder: except that this works transparently in any file open/save dialog :) [19:03] fuse/sshfs if I need that [19:03] :P [19:03] _slax0r_ (fire@slackware.x-shells.org) joined ##slackware. [19:04] Action: troy uses fish:// in kde on windows when he's stuck on a windows computer... makes life so much nicer :) [19:04] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.49.151) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:04] I hadn't had a chance to try KDE in Windows. If I ever get another Windows machine, I'll have to. [19:04] kde + windows = double bloat? [19:04] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [19:05] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.49.153) joined ##slackware. [19:05] Action: jkwood slaps jewbacca [19:05] jewbacca: well, that depends on what you mean by bloat :) okular is nicer than adobe reader on windows, for example :) [19:05] that is something I can imagine [19:05] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:05] okular is great. [19:06] Action: ezr sees the words "adobe reader" out of the corner of his eye and twitches reflexively [19:06] lol [19:06] hehe [19:06] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:06] troy: agreed, it would be quicker [19:06] Ephedrax (zeus@vps.process-evolution.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:06] Ephedrax (zeus@vps.process-evolution.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[19:17] a desktop environment that just became stable on an OS that is not stable ... hmmm [19:17] my christmas lights are dying [19:17] not putting out enough light [19:18] Razec (1000@187-27-205-166.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:20] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.49.153) joined ##slackware. [19:21] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [19:22] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:24] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [19:24] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.115.139) joined ##slackware. [19:25] v4nelle (~van@79.107.193.144) joined ##slackware. [19:25] biker (~biker@201.170.55.180.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:28] stuart__ (~stuart@115.135.76.60) joined ##slackware. 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[19:41] it takes time [19:42] yes it's normal, it's a virtual box [19:42] usual suspects are, host system, guest data (namely ram), did i mention host system?, locally mounted iso or via network? [19:42] what are your system specs? (cpu, ram, hdd) [19:44] jg71: it only has 64 MB of ram (maybe I should change that) as the base... [19:44] nogagplz (~nogagplz@ppp121-44-208-68.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:46] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:46] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:50] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:54] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.115.139) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:55] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:55] nogagplz (~nogagplz@ppp121-44-129-190.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [19:59] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. 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[20:09] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.49.240) left irc: Quit: Elvis has left the building [20:10] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:12] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.55.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:13] later folks -- keeping my idling list to a minimum :) [20:14] thanks for the help with the 32-compat stuff [20:14] troy (quassel@jefferai.org) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."). [20:15] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:16] I finally got slackware installed on the virtual box. Now, I really need to chagne the cont color. Its terrible, if I don't change it, I might never write another program again! (its dark blue on black) [20:16] how can I do this? [20:16] dios_mio (1000@88.242.174.216) joined ##slackware. [20:16] stuart_ (~stuart@115.135.93.240) joined ##slackware. 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[22:32] Shadowkllr: I'm 110% sure it's your router settings. [22:32] im forwarding both port 80 and 22 [22:33] it's an sbg900 if that helps [22:33] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-23-225.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:33] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [22:33] Shadowkllr: and you're forwarding to the proper system on your LAN? [22:33] absolutely [22:33] like i said, port 80 is accessing the apache server fine [22:33] but port 22 is not working [22:35] jikjtzzf (~edud@94.229.77.218) joined ##slackware. [22:35] nvm, it works now...im not sure what happened there [22:36] Shadowkllr: to my knowledge, default sshd_config should be set up to work regardless whether in your LAN or from the outside [22:36] we fixed it for you. you're welcome. bill is in the mail. [22:37] hah [22:37] that was so weird [22:37] i tried everything i could think of [22:38] Shadowkllr: could have used ssh -v(erbose) for more info on the connecting part too [22:38] |Slacker| (~cris@189.64.77.114) joined ##slackware. [22:39] Shadowkllr: just blame it on comcast [22:39] Shadowkllr: I'm surprised they don't have port 80 blocked [22:39] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:40] Shadowkllr_ (~chatzilla@c-69-253-22-90.hsd1.de.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:41] mach_kernel (~no@cpe-74-73-253-34.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:41] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [22:42] Shadowkllr (~chatzilla@c-69-253-22-90.hsd1.de.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:42] Nick change: Shadowkllr_ -> Shadowkllr [22:44] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-18-247.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:45] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. 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[22:59] phrags (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:01] all things're good,antiwire....no need of the poisoned stare...:P [23:01] haha [23:01] That's how I know someone supports unicode [23:01] phrags (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [23:01] ;) [23:01] toofer-home (~toofer@c-67-182-217-108.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:01] Would that be a look of disapproval to someone with their terminal configured properly? [23:02] haha [23:02] good one,veritos [23:02] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-73.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:02] Action: veritos spends way too much time on Reddit, it appears [23:02] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-73.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [23:03] Action: veritos bitches and moans at VMware [23:03] I use KVM so I'm not much help to Vbox or VMware users [23:03] You would think it would install into /opt like most proprietary software [23:03] But it has to puke into /usr, just to make it hard to clean up. [23:03] JohnnyAmerica (~Simon@213-64-113-37-no97.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:03] And I have to use the blasted thing for all three of my classes at uni, plus job. [23:04] veritos: you could probably make that happen but you might also end up with a massive symlinking mess [23:04] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:04] antiwire: I could have used checkinstall, assuming that I cared a bit more [23:05] veritos: Worst case, for me, I've manually created a package structure in a directory and used makepkg. It's not easy to post scripts for others to use that way but it does get a sane package. [23:05] veritos, you can change that using a slackbuild probably [23:05] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:05] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:06] Shadowkllr (~chatzilla@c-69-253-22-90.hsd1.de.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:07] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [23:09] Completely unrelated topic---is it possible to have sendmail send to gmail without having my password sitting in plain text in /etc? Preferably so that multiple users can do it? [23:11] toofer-home (~toofer@c-67-182-217-108.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Good grief [23:11] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.142) joined ##slackware. [23:12] you don't need a password to relay email [23:12] Unless your ISP exclusively forces you to use authentication to send email [23:13] |Slacker| (~cris@189.64.77.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:13] Skywise: I think that if you're forwarding everything through Gmail's servers then they require that you log in as a Gmail user [23:13] I was wondering if the password could either be (a) asked for at runtime or (b) stored in each user's homedir [23:13] if you were going to use gmail as your outgoing smtp server, then the password is configured in the client [23:14] He's wanting sendmail to be a "meta-client" for more than one remote account. [23:20] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:21] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. 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