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[00:41] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:44] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:46] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "PEBKAC, ID-10-T clicked the X ^_^" [00:49] I'm getting an input output err with eject... My drive is a HP DVD burner with lightscribe. :-( [00:49] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [00:50] What could be causing it? [00:50] uva (i=bno@118-160-161-73.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:50] uva (i=bno@118-160-161-73.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:50] hey antiwire, 'sup? [00:50] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [00:50] jescis: i have the same dvd burner [00:51] hey dudes [00:51] deco, yeah? Why's mine not working right? [00:51] wow,that channel public log is unavailable [00:51] jescis: dunno , i just felt like telling you [00:52] I push the eject button and it still doesn't open :-( [00:52] jescis: hmmmm did you try disconnecting it ? [00:52] power it off [00:52] and try again [00:52] that's what i need to do sometimes [00:52] ok [00:53] I'll do it [00:53] mb u should its plastic circle [00:53] should change [00:53] jescis (i=1000@adsl-93-90-136.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "powering down for disk drive issues" [00:54] wtf [00:54] i told him to poweroff the dvd burner [00:55] deco: It's INSIDE a machine, you can't just power off the burner. :P [00:55] not this computer! [00:55] oh i thougt it was external [00:55] like mine [00:55] i have the same [00:55] hp lighscribe [00:55] external dvd-burner [00:55] deco: HP DVD Burner with lightscribe is a very broad description, doesn't mean it's external. [00:56] HP makes internal drives as well. [00:56] fire|bird: i know but i just thought it was like for some reason :P [00:56] sometimes unable to eject a dvd burnner...just for the inner plsatic [00:56] i stick a needle on mine [00:56] i need to [00:56] it doesn't open anymore XD [00:58] oh btw guys fire|bird officially switched to opensuse [00:59] wtf [00:59] opensuse is good [00:59] deco: Then why am I on irc right now on Slackware? [00:59] if I switched? [00:59] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:59] fire|bird: dunno i still visit some old channel [01:00] channels* [01:00] arcfide (i=arcfide@adsl-99-31-12-73.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:00] Hey All. [01:00] hi arcfide [01:00] So, yeah, I was dodo-brained for a moment and I went with a kernel upgrade on my remote machine and forgot to put a proper backup. [01:01] deco: no, I mean, I'm on Slackware right now and irc'ing from it, if I switched, how is that possible? [01:01] .... [01:01] jk [01:01] ... [01:01] Channel flood from deco -- kicking [01:01] .. [01:01] deco kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [01:01] So, that means, I only have a broken Lilo Linux target and no proper Linux-Working target. [01:01] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [01:01] lol [01:01] deco: see, you need to cut down on the "........." :P [01:02] fire|bird: no! [01:02] slack boy has issues :P [01:02] I think I messed up with using generic-smp instead of generic, because it can't load the jfs.so module it wants to because it is from the non smp version. [01:02] did you install the corresponding module packages as well? [01:02] Since this is a remote machine, it means that I am connected to it by a KVM and I can do reboots and such, but it's a hassle to have someone over there do a LIveCD, so, is there some workaround here? :-) [01:03] I'm trying to think, but usually I'm a bit smarter than this and I have a working Lilo target like Huge, that doesn't fail so easily. [01:03] ok? [01:03] antiwire: Well, I did a slackpkg update, and I do believe that the smp modules are installed, but I'm sitting in the ramdisk of the initrd image right now, and the only modules are ones for 2.6.29.6, instead of 2.6.29.6-smp, like they should be. [01:03] arcfide: no magic here - you need someone on site [01:04] rworkman: Bah, I was afraid of that. :-( Guess I need to get a fast and dirty ISO to them. [01:04] do they have the slackware install disk? [01:04] I hate when I forget the basics. :-) [01:04] rworkman: I'm guessing they probably threw it away. :-) [01:04] arcfide: been there done that ; it happens to the best of us :) [01:05] I think right as I was typing the shutdown -r now command I was thinking, "Shouldn't I add another Lilo target?" [01:05] Bah! [01:05] arcfide: only one kernel in lilo's menu? If you happen to have... yeah. :) [01:06] FWIW, this is why I always hardcode the image = line in lilo.conf to the full kernel name instead of using the vmlinuz symlink. [01:06] rworkman: Usually that's what I have, two lilo targets, but...Noooo, arcfide had to go and shoot himself in the place where no self-respecting male wants to be shot. [01:06] rworkman: Well, I usually want one lilo default that's easy to change for me by swapping out symlinks. In the backup, of course, I'd always hard code it. [01:07] and I change the labels to "generic.s" "genericsmp.s" "huge.s" "hugesmp.s" ... [01:08] Action: arcfide sighs heavily. [01:08] I don't have the magic incantation on hand right now, but... assuming you have the source tree mirrored on the disk, you can also boot the initrd.img from isolinux/ - put that in lilo.conf as a backup :) [01:08] On the plus side, I know have lots of cool VMWare installations. [01:08] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:09] rworkman: Eh? [01:09] This is right about the time I part in disgust. [01:09] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [01:09] arcfide: you can do somethign along these lines: [01:10] jescis (i=1000@adsl-93-90-136.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [01:10] jescis: worked ? [01:10] image = /path/to/source/tree/kernels/hugesmp.s/bzImage [01:10] initrd = /path/to/source/tree/isolinux/initrd.img [01:11] (and basically boot the installer without a cd) [01:11] rworkman: I can do this from the Lilo boot prompt? [01:11] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-47.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:11] yes, if you'd already configured it and run lilo :) [01:11] Bah, humbug. [01:11] Action: arcfide grumbles. [01:12] That's a handy trick to use on a system that has an installed system already on it, but no optical drives and is unable to boot from usb, and you dont' want to go to the trouble of setting up a pxeboot env [01:12] sort of [01:13] heh [01:15] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: No route to host [01:17] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [01:20] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [01:22] cathy_chang1 (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) joined ##slackware. [01:22] cathy_chang1 (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) left ##slackware. [01:24] lQg2 (n=vnv@243-251-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:26] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-47.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [01:27] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-122-11-189.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. 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[01:34] should end up around 24m iirc [01:34] Action: rworkman might have done that once or twice ;) [01:35] maybe it was 14M - somewhere around that anyway [01:38] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.82.63) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:40] interesting, someone made a windows XP release that's only 212MB [01:40] took out all the crap [01:41] Action: rworkman has discovered that if you start with Winn Dixie brand "Hot" salsa, mix a large quantity (~1/3 cup) of Cholula hot sauce with it, and stir well, it's actually quite good. [01:42] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [01:43] I can still taste the bell pepper (I hate those), but the extra hot sauce masks most of it. [01:44] Reticenti, if they took out all the crap, then three programs (notepad, calculator, spider solitaire) cannot take 212 MB alone. There must be some crap in the CD. [01:44] haha [01:45] =D [01:45] the other 210 MB is drm [01:45] or something like that [01:45] :) [01:48] I need a faster network connection. [01:49] Don't we all. [01:49] Just saying, at times like this, 70KB/s upload is not going to cut it. [01:51] heheh [01:51] My only net connection for a long time was dialup (until late last year), and now I'm on a Verizon (cellular) card -- max speeds either way are around 100k/s here. [01:52] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:54] Ah, well, maybe I don't feel so bad then. I do manage about 600KB/s downloading. [01:54] wow. [01:55] But I need faster upload, I say! [01:55] rworkman: So you must take advantage of things like Opera Turbo, huh? [01:56] squid :) [01:56] and a fiber connection at work [01:56] My large downloads/uploads are done there. [01:57] I use Squid only to proxy Gopher. 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[02:04] That's plausible [02:05] ok [02:05] because i'm making a virtual filesystem on a ntfs for win xp, and the mount is taking up most of my cpu [02:05] Reticenti: what are you up to now? :P [02:06] virtualbox xp [02:06] I've heard reports of a potential scheduler bug wherein heavy disk IO can bog down a system [02:06] yo dawg, i heard you like to operating system, so i put an operating system in your operating system so you can sys admin while you sys admin [02:06] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:07] then i realized that I don't need to have a virtual box windows install on ntfs [02:13] urthwrm_ (n=hooch@124-170-216-58.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Client Quit [02:14] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:14] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [02:15] grissiom (n=grissiom@219.239.227.236) joined ##slackware. [02:16] Reticenti, what do you consider "a lot" of cpu? [02:17] it does load it up a bit [02:17] but nothing over the top [02:18] shadowx (n=7350@93.183.131.3) left irc: "BitchX Official FTP Site -- ftp://ftp.bitchx.com" [02:21] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:28] e0glr (n=h1pc7o@43-228-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net) joined ##slackware. [02:29] ChickenLittle (n=robert@ZH020111.ppp.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [02:30] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:31] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: "leaving" [02:33] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) joined ##slackware. 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[03:03] rworkman: gopher://gopher.sacrideo.us [03:03] Enjoy. :-) [03:08] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:13] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-224.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:13] Reticenti: Does VirtualBox do the same thing as VMWare? [03:14] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [03:17] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-122-11-189.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:17] urthwrm (n=hooch@124-170-216-58.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:19] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-017-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [03:21] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.68.171.125) joined ##slackware. [03:21] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. 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[03:54] arcfide: i think so, and camarade's description is good [03:55] I'm pretty much only going to be using it to sync my ipod touch [03:56] Axius (n=ade@92.84.4.116) left irc: Client Quit [03:58] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-224.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:05] I see. Yeah, I've got VMWare Workstation 7 here, and I just finished setting up three Windows installations, and OpenBSD, and I plan to throw on one more OpenBSD and another Slackware. [04:05] gyroscope (n=master@88.232.14.204) joined ##slackware. [04:05] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) joined ##slackware. [04:05] I'm really tempted to see if their 3d Graphics support is as good as they claim. [04:06] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) left ##slackware. [04:09] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Reconnecting" [04:09] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. 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[05:12] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-54-187.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:12] hey thereee [05:12] how do i type korean in slacware? [05:12] *slackware [05:12] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:15] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [05:17] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [05:18] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: SendQ exceeded [05:19] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-54-187.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:19] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.218.185.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:19] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:20] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:24] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [05:25] john_dee (n=id@95-29-10-113.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:28] how do i type korean in slacware? [05:30] myung: man scim [05:30] i have scim [05:31] i dunno how to make it type korean :S [05:31] i can read it but not type it [05:31] tripFantastic (i=1000@c-68-56-209-186.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:32] add a korean keyboard layout maybe? i didn't get to try use scim for japanese on slack, but that should be no harder than on windows [05:32] mornin [05:32] good day to you too [05:32] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "Leaving" [05:33] myung: if you're using kde, add it in control center. scim should enable automatically [05:34] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-54-187.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [05:34] u mean system settings? [05:36] uh..yes [05:36] i have korean enabled in scim [05:36] but it doesnt work [05:37] i have scim-hangul installed too [05:37] hangul=korean [05:37] urthwrm (n=hooch@124-170-216-58.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:38] dusty (n=dusty@174.37.216.194) joined ##slackware. [05:38] dusty (n=dusty@174.37.216.194) left irc: Client Quit [05:39] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.218.185.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:40] not sure i can help much with your issue. sorry. i only used asian langs on the operating system whose name is unspeakable in this channel %) [05:40] MrDusty (n=dusty@174.37.216.194) joined ##slackware. [05:40] MrDusty (n=dusty@174.37.216.194) left irc: Client Quit [05:40] lol? [05:41] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [05:42] MrDusty (n=dusty@174.37.216.194) joined ##slackware. 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[07:51] sirslacker (n=aligp@p579B54EA.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:51] sirslacker1 (n=aligp@p579B54EA.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:52] sirslacker (n=aligp@p579B54EA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:54] sHyLoCk_ (n=sHyLoCk_@115.187.48.214) left irc: "BBL..." [07:57] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [07:57] rg3, how do you mean/ [07:57] ? [07:58] as far as i know, there's a new package browser being developed [07:58] http://packages.slackware.it/ [07:58] oh misread, i thought you meant web browser there, sorry [07:59] ah, ok [08:01] errordeveloper (n=errordev@host86-151-40-233.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:03] hmmm, I just saw fftw has been added to l/ but I've been a bit surprised not to see ocaml included since fftw uses it (but it uses it as a code generator for .c files so it maybe doesn't generate these files when using a regular ./configure), BUT why is SSE/SSE2 support not enabled on slackware64? (the ocaml part was only a digression) [08:04] what a long sentence! [08:04] Camarade_Tux: actually I set a mail to Pat about that, no answer (yet) [08:05] yeah, I'm trying to increase my word per sentence score on this channel, it's only average currently [08:05] pprkut: ftr, ocaml *always* uses SSE2 on x64, and nothing else, proving it definitely works [08:06] (well, no need for that proof but still) [08:06] that's some high tech stuff, do you guys do fancy image analysis or other uses for fourier transforms? [08:07] speech ;-) [08:07] Camarade_Tux: the things is, the simd code is automatically disabled if the system doesn't support it, so it would even work for the i486 build [08:07] but in slackware it's only for music stats :P [08:07] pprkut: yeah, I saw that in the build ;-) [08:07] s/build/doc/ [08:08] mancha: fftw is an intergral part of the linux audio stack. Almost every major audio app depends on it [08:09] it's terribly fast [08:10] one of the neat things about ogg vorbis, for example, is that it encodes using both time and frequency domain [08:11] chendy (n=chatzill@66.249.5.185) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:11] sirslacker (n=aligp@p579B54EA.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving." [08:12] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:12] monstro (n=monstro@201-68-34-80.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:12] i want the slackware 12.2 dvd iso where I can find ? [08:13] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:13] chendy_ (n=chatzill@119.137.92.62) joined ##slackware. [08:13] Nick change: chendy_ -> chendy [08:14] in the site official have just the last version of slackware! [08:14] pprku/c_tux, what are some big-name apps using fftw these days? [08:14] monstro: visit any mirror [08:14] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:14] monstro: http://alphageek.dyndns.org/linux/slackware-mirrors.shtml has links to ISO images [08:14] Not every mirror hosts the ISOs [08:15] thanks [08:16] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:17] mancha: ardour, rosegarden, lmms, zynaddsubfx [08:17] the package tree is more useful, it has patches. [08:17] Damn, I just want to say this once more. Slackware is the only system where package management/creation actually makes sense. [08:18] pprkut i see. thanks. [08:18] np [08:18] I wish to redirect output of find result to cat [08:19] alienBOB, the packages that existed in "http://packages.slackware.it" was changed ? [08:19] its christmas so its possible your wish might come true [08:19] hehee [08:19] sirslacker (n=aligp@p579B54EA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:19] mac, why? [08:19] if you really believe in the christmas spirit and santa [08:20] mancha: have to find files, and prrint them on the terminal [08:20] well [08:20] find will do that defacto [08:20] find it by find and then cat them [08:20] mac, I can't remember the syntax exactly, but I'm betting these guys can. But in general, if you want to execute one command per output from find, you usually pipe stuff into 'xargs' [08:20] i.e. find /path/to/dir -flags will print to stdout [08:21] I`ve tried to find (path) -iname (file_name) | cat [08:21] but what to cat ? :)" [08:21] there's no need for | cat [08:22] what then ? [08:22] if there's no output then it's not finding the file. [08:22] but ther is output [08:22] :> [08:22] ok mac, stop being thick here. [08:23] ? [08:23] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [08:23] I`ve only asked [08:23] :/ [08:23] why do you want to pipe to cat? [08:24] want to do that once, not focus it and cat manually [08:24] ok i have no idea what you're talking about [08:24] ? [08:24] :> [08:24] mancha: hasn't he said that already ? He wants to find files matching an expression and for each of these, he wants to output their contents to the terminal (refer to comment at 13:21) [08:24] right [08:25] ok, that makes sense to me now [08:25] now I will have to do that manually file by file [08:25] and want to do that by pipe result from find output to cat input [08:25] find /my/path -iname $NAME -exec cat {} \; [08:26] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) joined ##slackware. [08:26] it cant be done by '|' ? [08:26] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) left ##slackware. [08:27] mac: I don't think so. Usually when what you ask is a variation of "For each match/item run this program with the the match as input" you either end up using find's own --exec feature or the program xargs [08:28] oh right, it is iteration there with multiple results [08:28] mac: A similar feature using xargs could be done like: 'find / -iname slack-desc -print0 |xargs -0 cat', although mancha's suggestion is probably better ;) This might show you how to apply it to other problems, however. [08:29] uhm, okay thx for your help guys [08:29] np, sorry i didn't understand initially (props to icarus for the translation of " I wish to redirect output of find result to cat") [08:30] :) [08:30] ddoright (n=ddoright@199.195.58.16) joined ##slackware. [08:30] mancha: it's all about bringing people together this time of year ^^ [08:31] How can I move to a later version of KDE? I'm using the default version in slackware 13.0, which is 4.2 [08:31] now you're just pushing it [08:31] monstro (n=monstro@201-68-34-80.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [08:31] 4.2 is broken, I can't make custom keyboard shortcuts and it has other annoyances. [08:31] ddoright: you have the option of moving to slackware-current [08:32] @alienBOB: I'm not in current? I thought 13.0 was? [08:32] No [08:32] 13.0 is a stable release [08:32] oh... [08:32] Slackware-current is the development tree [08:32] so [08:32] how unstable is -current? [08:33] Having a functional desktop is nice. [08:33] err [08:33] The stable releases only get security patches, but no new features [08:33] notebook [08:33] commensurate to the developers [08:33] @alienBOB: I see. [08:33] Well if you are not a hobbyist, -current may not be for you because it can break in unexpected ways [08:33] Having said that, slackware-current is usually very stable [08:34] @alienBOB: Well, I did install Gentoo an unmasked xorg drivers... [08:34] but that was a while ago [08:34] Slackware-current is rock-lke for me...very stable. [08:34] like [08:35] I should update to latest current too today =) [08:35] btw, need to grab my external drive [08:35] ah, what the hell. I have too much free time on my hands anyway. [08:36] Camarade_Tux: the latest -current is awesome [08:36] btw, also, can I update firefox while it is running, with a flash object inside or is it expected to break? [08:36] now, I'm only wishing for a glib/gtk update :P [08:36] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [08:36] hi beings [08:37] Nick change: wertik_rus -> wertik|angry [08:37] Is there a flag I can 'switch' to -current from the stable 13.0 release? [08:37] or a man/guide anywhhere I could glance at.... [08:37] change slackpkg mirror [08:38] you only need to point to "slackware-current" instead of "slackware-13.0" [08:38] although I'd recommend used another partition [08:38] using [08:39] makerc (n=godzila@unaffiliated/makerc) joined ##slackware. [08:40] ok, fixed, updating slackpkg now. [08:40] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.87.105.145) joined ##slackware. [08:41] Camarade_Tux: Since you're running slackware, odds are you're using KDE (or a very slim *box, but even so you'd still have some QT libs lying around) -- anyway, have you tried Opera instead of Firefox ? I find it works quite nicely, better than firefox in fact in terms of speed and stability [08:41] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) joined ##slackware. [08:42] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) left ##slackware. [08:42] icarus_: if I were using kde, I'd be using konqueror except that my desktop looks like... http://omploader.org/vMnZ6bg [08:42] and I'm making my own browser based on webkit-gtk [08:43] I prefer fluxbox and xfce [08:43] xfce is heavy [08:43] Camarade_Tux: holy *insert family-friendly / socially acceptable replacement here* ! [08:43] hehe :P [08:44] Camarade_Tux: What is that, exactly ? Ratpoison or something ? [08:44] no, openbox, it's not actually tiling [08:44] Camarade_Tux: compared to flux xfce is heavy. true. [08:44] hitest: no, in absolute too imho [08:44] lxde is pretty light however [08:44] yeah [08:44] but [08:44] xfce takes like 160MB of memory iirc [08:44] xfce is lighter than kde [08:45] console is much lighter than xfce [08:45] it's _almost_ as heavy as kde/gnome [08:45] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) joined ##slackware. [08:45] ratpoison rules em all [08:45] smica (n=smica@h128-254.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [08:46] Honestly though, what's the big deal. For KDE/Gnome to be unbearable you either run an *old* computer or you're constantly doing some pretty hefty calculations thus needing every single cpu cycle you can get. Which is it ? ;) [08:46] Camarade_Tux: interesting. xfce 4.6.1 uses a lot less ram than kde 4.3.4 in -current for me [08:46] icarus_: or on a netbook [08:46] So what desktop would you guys recommend for slackware? I'm using KDE now and I can't say that I like it (custom keyboard shortcuts don't work, clipboard isn't working, other annoyances) [08:46] ddoright: what ever works for you [08:46] Some of my friends have said fluxbox is excellent, very low weight [08:46] try em all [08:47] flux is light and fast [08:47] what do you guys use? I've used (on different distros) gnome, kde, xfce [08:47] openbox is as light as fluxbox but doesn't look like crap [08:47] xfce, flux [08:47] ehh [08:47] *heh [08:48] i use kde and shorcuts work for me [08:48] ddoright: flux or openbox are good alternatives. It just really depends on temperament. Openbox is a lot like a build-a-bear experience. You have to select your own panel etc etc etc. If you're into that, go ahead. [08:48] clipboard works too [08:48] icarus_: try lxde [08:49] Camarade_Tux: Never ;) I just went through hell and back figuring out how to install theme engines and various theme components on KDE, it finally looks kinda cool. No way I'm going to switch now ;) [08:49] Nigromante: Which version? [08:49] ddoright: if the only problem you have with kde is bugs, then try the latest one and see if it's fixed [08:50] Slackware 13.0 [08:50] icarus_: he :P [08:50] Nigromante: Custom keyboard shortcuts? [08:50] icarus_: switching is easy: xwmconfig :) [08:50] mm may be, i dont remember [08:50] I can activate the normal ones [08:50] like [08:50] switch virtual desktop [08:51] i configured my multimedia keyboard, thats right [08:51] but once I throw in my keys for starting xterms and other things, I can't get it to work. Though it is very likely I don't know how to do it in KDE. I'm new to it. [08:51] may be [08:51] yes there are some things u must configure manually [08:51] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [08:52] Perhaps, the guides I found were worthless. I'll look into slackware-current though. See what happens. [08:52] you can search at linuxquestions forum [08:52] I posted a mini-guide to configure multimedia keys [08:52] thta was the place I found that mentioned custom keyboard shortcuts didn't work with all versions of KDE. Though it has been a week and I can't remember version number [08:53] hmm [08:53] ddoright: you may want to think about dropping out to the terminal PRIOR to updating KDE via current. It was kinda interesting seeing things crash and burn all around me ;) [08:53] what is your username on linuxquestions? [08:53] same as here [08:53] icarus_: Oh no, I will download first, I won't be installing for a bit. My Internet is slow here. [08:53] time for lunch, g bye [08:53] ddoright: custom keyboard shortuts can be assigned to apps via the KDE menu editor (right-click on the KDE icon) [08:54] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:54] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) joined ##slackware. [08:54] auf_do (n=auf_AA@212.183.140.1) joined ##slackware. [08:54] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) left ##slackware. [08:54] And clipboard was already working in Slackware 13.0 - you just have to tell it to use a single clipboard for copy and selection [08:54] Nick change: Guest85401 -> fred [08:56] ah nice, didnt know that [08:56] at last 1 clipboard [08:56] makerc (n=godzila@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: [08:56] auf_do (n=auf_AA@212.183.140.1) left irc: Client Quit [08:57] i used to use autocutsel to do that at one point [08:57] http://lepton.fr/tools/autocutsel/ [08:57] @alienBOB: How do you tell it to use a single clipboard? [08:57] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:58] corey (n=corey@adsl-69-209-118-148.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [08:58] configure klipper [08:58] in kde [08:58] its in the system tray [08:58] chendy_ (n=chatzill@66.249.5.185) joined ##slackware. [08:58] El_Patron (n=El_Patro@189-90-198-159.isimples.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:59] Here's me being lazy, do we actually have LXDE on a default slack install ? [08:59] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:59] no.. [08:59] sahk0: Oh sweet, thanks. It works now. [08:59] El_Patron (n=El_Patro@189-90-198-159.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:59] ok, trying it will have to wait until the other 30 something packages are made ;) [09:00] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.196) left irc: [09:01] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.94.180) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:04] gutts (n=gutts@ADijon-554-1-161-152.w92-148.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:04] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.44) joined ##slackware. [09:05] gutts (n=gutts@ADijon-554-1-161-152.w92-148.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:14] icarus_: I have a set of LXDE packages [09:14] ddoright: you found where to merge the two cipboards? [09:15] alienBOB: on your site, I take it ? [09:15] Of course [09:15] Read the README there [09:15] corey (n=corey@adsl-69-209-118-148.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving." [09:16] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [09:17] alienBoB, do you have ever tried to install lotus symphony on slackware? [09:18] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) joined ##slackware. [09:18] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: SendQ exceeded [09:18] Yes, in fact it's on this laptop [09:18] Together with Notes and Sametime [09:18] while on the desktop note. I'd really wish the decision to not package gnome was reverted. While it's possible to get a third-party gnome distribution, it will always hamper the use of software. For example, even though I'm compiling/packaging all mono 2.6/monodevelop 2.2 packages at the moment, I can't release them as they depend on a third-party gnome distribution. [09:18] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) left ##slackware. [09:19] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.87.216) joined ##slackware. [09:19] icarus_: there is a mono.SlackBuild in slackbuilds.org approval queue at the moment [09:19] Not all of gnome is required, just as with using Lotus Sssymphony/Notes/Sametime [09:19] alienBOB: I can't find the source? where did you find that? do you convert rpm package or do you build it from source? [09:19] mono is not only in pending. its an update [09:19] alienBOB: the stock mono 2.4 slackbuild, I've seen that. I've made something similar for 2.6 (for myself). But Monodevelop etc will never get there because of gnome dependencies [09:19] sirslacker: I work at IBM, so I have easy access [09:20] alienBOB: do you guys have any spare model M keyboards over there ? ;) [09:20] sirslacker: I used RPMs by the way, I am running pre-releases [09:21] alienBOB: is there any released source there? because I had found only that sdk, and no sources! [09:21] chendy (n=chatzill@119.137.92.62) left irc: Connection timed out [09:23] chendy (n=chatzill@119.137.92.62) joined ##slackware. [09:24] sirslacker: IBM do not release the source code to Symphony [09:24] They are allowed to do so because of the dual-licened Open Office source code [09:25] alienBOB: hhhm :-( !!! [09:25] chendy (n=chatzill@119.137.92.62) left irc: Client Quit [09:25] Nick change: wertik|angry -> wertik|afk [09:26] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [09:26] aleinBOB: I don't wanna use RPMs, and converting didn't help me too! do you have any tip for me? [09:26] alienBOB: Forgive my curiosity, but has IBM moved forward with large-scale replacements of office in favor of symphony yet? And is their any real chance they'll eventually toss Windows out the window ? [09:29] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78.134.126.232) joined ##slackware. [09:29] icarus_: yes, we had to have the new Symphony and Notes installed before end 2009. As a result, I could alo swap my T41 for a T400 because the T41 was too slow for it [09:30] notes... [09:30] IBMers can no longer apply for a MS Office license unless there is approval higher up in the management chain [09:30] straterra: actually Notes 8.5 is magnitudes better than previous versions [09:30] i only still run notes because we have an old quality app written for domino [09:30] this is like notes 3 [09:30] IT looks slick, integrates with Sametime, and is _very_ userfriendly [09:31] Its on an old NT server I wish to kill off...but can't yet because the quality part hasnt been written in our new erp system [09:32] nessundorma (n=mike@78-134-73-183.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:32] sirslacker: I have been looking at writing SlackBuilds for the Lotus products, but there's a lot of RPM scripting that I have difficulty with to integrate into a doinst.sh [09:32] So for now I just rpm --nodeps all the RPMs [09:32] I have my port to iproute2 done, btw [09:32] And built a lot of packages from slackbuilds.org to get the required gnome-ish support libraries [09:33] straterra: good. Did you look at PiterPunk's version too? [09:33] No [09:33] harksaw (n=sharcle@71-85-9-059.dhcp.buft.sc.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [09:33] I'll have to do that [09:33] Well independent work is all for the better [09:34] And perhaps there is something to merge to make it even better than the two separate [09:34] I'll make a patch and toss is up somewhere then begin work on vlan/ipv6 [09:34] just had to have iproute support first [09:34] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.84.64) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:37] I have two screens, a TV and a regular monitor. Some programs open up on the TV when I want them to open on the monitor - is there a setting I can change to make everything open up on my monitor by defau [09:38] *lt? [09:39] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:39] aleinBOB: thank you, I had started with rpm converting but it delivered more and more problems. I thought maybe I can find the source! at least yet, I know that the only solution is to using rpm! thank! [09:39] so it is free but closed-source? [09:40] gm152 (n=glen@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:40] mancha: alienBOB: They are allowed to do so because of the dual-licened Open Office source code [09:41] mancha: indeed [09:41] that's too bad, they should open it up. so it uses a lot of ooo code? [09:41] whats free but closes source? [09:41] But ultimately, all changes IBM makes are fed back to the openoffice.org developer team [09:42] ah, the ibm symphony [09:42] mancha: the problem is that the current Symphony is based on OOo 1.x with a _lot_ of changes to the codebase [09:42] The new Symphony (to appear in 1st half of 2010) will be based on OOo 3.x [09:42] Which makes the feedback of code to OOo a lot easier [09:42] ah that is a big improvement. [09:43] any plans to open it up? [09:43] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:44] i dont think they have a choise [09:44] the new openoffice is just gpl [09:45] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) joined ##slackware. [09:46] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) left ##slackware. [09:46] ##slackware: mode change '+o nachox' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [09:46] egregor_ (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [09:47] ness1d0rma (n=mike@78.134.98.69) joined ##slackware. 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[09:57] ibm does sell symphony the same way sun sells staroffice though [09:57] but sun need not release anything [09:58] they need to release it to the customers who buy it, no? [09:58] blkdg: it's probably easier to do that through the login manager in kcontrol. [09:59] thanks BP{k} , i read http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/KDE-GUI-Login-Configuration-HOWTO.html#s4 but it was no use [09:59] mancha, again, correct. but those customers are also bound by gpl, so they could release the code [09:59] BP{k}, do you have it working in 12.2 ? [09:59] they'd have to strip all IBM branding though [09:59] tediosu (n=blah@217.146.88.13) joined ##slackware. [10:00] blkdg: I had it working in 12.2 yes. I thinjk it still is. [10:00] brb, going into kde [10:00] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [10:01] blkdg: "K" -> "control centre" -> "system administration" -> "login manager" -> "users" tab .. then on the right side of it "user Images. [10:02] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-148-26.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:02] BP{k} are you British ? [10:02] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-235-251.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [10:02] hi there [10:02] icarus_: No. I only live in the UK, why? :-) [10:04] BP{k}: Oh it's just because you spelled it "control centre" rather than "control center". See, one is correct in the UK while the other is correct in the US. [10:04] BP{k}, where are you from then? [10:05] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [10:05] icarus_: ah, I just typed it straight from kethry's computer as that is still running 12.2 although she might have the KDE british language packages installed. [10:05] BP{k}, settings -> security and privacy ? [10:06] nachox: Born and raised in the Netherlands. [10:06] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [10:06] blkdg: no I told you where to find it. [10:06] BP{k}: Just kidding about the spelling part, we have been watching you for a long time Mr. Anderson [10:07] BP{k}, I opened the kde control center [10:07] icarus_: Well since I have been living for about 6.5 years in the UK now, there is a good chance I picked up some habbits there. ;-) [10:08] BP{k}, i see the login manager. thank you! [10:09] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-235-251.33-151.iol.it) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [10:10] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.87.216) left irc: "Leaving." [10:12] thanks again folks. [10:12] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [10:14] MrDusty (n=dusty@174.37.216.194) left irc: "leaving" [10:17] corretico__ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. 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[10:32] cteg (n=heretic@dyndsl-091-096-105-084.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [10:33] where did you see that? [10:34] nachos: across all virtual terminal sessions [10:34] that's a kernel error, and yes, you should be worried [10:34] check dmesg [10:34] it's a filesystem error [10:35] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:35] icarus_: what filesystem ? [10:37] yes, what filesystem? inquiring minds want to know! [10:37] freelibrary (n=notRoot@e176074210.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:39] anavel: sorry, was afk a sec. It didn't say WHICH, but I'm guessing the root filesystem which is ext4. [10:40] From the interest I gather I should be worried ? :S [10:40] probably [10:40] icarus_: file -s /dev/root ? :D [10:40] there was this kde application that showed the files in a folder in the form of rectangles... [10:41] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) joined ##slackware. [10:41] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:41] is it still present in kde4? [10:41] ddoright (n=ddoright@199.195.58.16) left irc: "leaving" [10:41] anavel: /dev/root points to sda3 which is ext4 [10:42] ah [10:42] thanks [10:42] /dev? [10:42] what's that fs? [10:43] can it be saved? copy of the contents of sda3 somewhere else, format it to ext3, fix fstab for sda3 ext3 and copy your files back over ??? [10:43] just a guess, perhaps the ext4 is not mature yet ? :X [10:44] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:44] I've never had the slightest trouble with ext4 before this. And it should be salvageable since I'm still running just fine atm [10:45] but it's really *that* bad. Like backup, format, start over kind of bad ? [10:45] rather be safe than sorry [10:45] to make sure, try to check your hdd with tools from you vendor. Hope it's not hardware fault :| [10:46] corretico__ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Success [10:47] freelibrary (n=notRoot@e176074210.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [10:47] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [10:47] free_fox (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [10:47] anavel: wouldn't some sort of gnu utils suffice for checking ? But I doubt the HDD should be fried after 6 months. I hope not, at least [10:47] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Client Quit [10:48] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [10:48] free_fox (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Client Quit [10:49] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [10:49] icarus_: well, it says I/O error. [10:49] could be hardware related :S [10:49] Nick change: ga_bash -> free_fox [10:49] is it constantly happening? [10:49] nachox: first time I've seen it [10:51] ##slackware: mode change '-o nachox' by nachox!n=Ignacio@190.51.53.176 [10:51] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:52] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:55] so, any suggestions for HDD scanning. /sbin/badblocks ? [10:56] sHyLoCk_ (n=sHyLoCk_@115.187.48.138) joined ##slackware. [11:01] hi, who is running slackware64-current? the latest boost seems broken for me... [11:01] Axius (n=ade@92.82.69.20) joined ##slackware. [11:01] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [11:02] Steaki (n=steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [11:02] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.2.23) joined ##slackware. [11:02] edman007:~ everone? :D [11:03] Mithenks (n=eymerich@213.243.231.193) joined ##slackware. [11:03] edman007: with which app? [11:03] if its external try rebuilding it [11:03] the -mt.so's are gone [11:04] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Saliendo" [11:04] sahk0, trying to build gnash, not working, the gnash people say its boost hating on g++, so i tried to rebuild boost and it won't really build [11:05] Axius (n=ade@92.82.69.20) left irc: Client Quit [11:05] Action: edman007 wonders if he messed up his multilib install [11:05] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:05] edman007: want me to try? [11:05] well i dont know if gnash needs the -mt.so [11:06] I'm about to update my slackware [11:06] icarus_ (n=icarus@82.211.203.74) left irc: "leaving" [11:06] Camarade_Tux, yea, just try building the slack64-current/source/l/boost with the script that is in there [11:06] do you get a bazillion errors? [11:07] edman007: I haven't updated yet, want me to try before or after I update? [11:07] after [11:07] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [11:07] well i had a long discussion last night about this but im bored to repeat it right now. i cant really help as i dont know about gnash anyway. [11:08] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [11:09] sahk0, i'm not saying its a gnash issue, i trust them when they say its boost, mainly because boost itself, with the slack64 build script, fails to build [11:09] hmmmm, I have a looooooooong git-clone running, do I update git now? [11:09] git is fast.... [11:09] not when it comes to webkit [11:10] it's been running for over one hour and it has only done 17% [11:10] edman007: if you want to experiment try building boost with --layout=tagged instead of system. thats if the missing mt so's is your problem [11:10] :( [11:10] _dfrank_ (n=dfrank@94.19.35.79) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:10] sahk0, why would the mt part matter when building boost? [11:11] or symlink the without -mt so's to the -mts just to check without rebuilding. [11:11] i dont know [11:11] boost shouldn't require any boost libs to build [11:11] that would make it impossible to build [11:11] oh, i mean gnash [11:12] yea, well i'm saying boost won't build either [11:12] i have no idea about that [11:12] so it has nothing to do with gnash if boost gives the same errors building [11:12] maybe thats multilib, dunno [11:12] bbiab [11:12] edman007: are you trying to build the same version of boost thats in the source ? [11:13] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [11:13] Scuzz, yea...not working error like: /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-slackware-linux/4.3.3/../../../../include/c++/4.3.3/iterator:71:19: error: /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-slackware-linux/4.3.3/../../../../include/c++/4.3.3/istream: No such device or address [11:13] im building boost now to see if it will compile [11:14] and basically then says everything fails to compile [11:14] ...failed gcc.compile.c++ bin.v2/libs/wave/build/gcc-4.3.3/release/threading-multi/wave_config_constant.o... ...failed gcc.compile.c++ bin.v2/libs/wave/build/gcc-4.3.3/release/threading-multi/token_ids.o.. [11:14] im on a total vanila slackware 64 current right now [11:14] ill let you know how it goes [11:14] does /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-slackware-linux/4.3.3/../../../../include/c++/4.3.3/istream exist? [11:17] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:17] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [11:17] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [11:17] nachox, oh shoot... [11:18] Action: edman007 detects fs corruption [11:18] Avalloc (n=_@port-10642.pppoe.wtnet.de) joined ##slackware. [11:18] edman007: maybe the gcc update [11:18] bummer [11:18] ... [11:18] Camarade_Tux, i think nachox got it, that is most deffiently a corrupted file... 's--------- 1 3221248880 1534115840 0 1969-12-31 19:00 istream=' [11:18] thats not right.... [11:18] hahaha :P [11:19] here, take this beer and don't cry =P [11:19] god, linux does not stop sucking... [11:19] edman007: it builds fine [11:19] here ate leaste [11:19] reinstall the package with the headers [11:20] nachox, doing that :) [11:21] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:21] nachox, anyways...its my raid card that caused it, the BBU died and i need to buy a new one... [11:22] BBU? [11:23] Borker Bot Unit? [11:24] automatically borks your filesystems =) [11:24] big beautiful unich [11:24] battery backup unit, it has 256MB cache, and it allows the raid card to lie to the OS about when a write is complete...the problem is without the battery a system crash can wipe the cache with the pending writes [11:24] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.12.212) joined ##slackware. [11:25] free_fox (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:25] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "leaving" [11:26] yup [11:27] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.87.105.145) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:28] wertik|afk (n=wertik@95-24-54-187.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [11:29] i really should turn off the the write cache while the battery is dead, but it is just too slow [11:30] which FS? [11:30] Razec (i=1000@189-92-17-34.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:31] Axius (n=ade@92.82.69.20) joined ##slackware. [11:32] update finally done :P [11:33] ext3 [11:33] I had a lot of problems recently after a few bad crashes... [11:33] edman007, how "slow"? [11:33] 6MB/s writes or so... [11:33] ouch [11:34] yeah, it's slow [11:34] I'd like to have battery-backed disks, I could disable barriers on XFS =) [11:34] edman007: and how fast otherwise? [11:34] compared to 4-5GB/s writes with it for the first 256MB then down to 55MB/s when it fills [11:35] still, you should be able to get something better than those 5MB/s [11:35] errr, 6 [11:37] icarus_ (n=icarus@79.142.229.158.static.knet.bolignet.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:37] Camarade_Tux, it is because it end up being synchronous writes with a raid5, it makes it very very slow because it can't start the next pending write until the raid card processed it and then the drives processed it, with the cache the raid card will reorder them and do it all async [11:39] gm152 (n=glen@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:39] It just hit me (what a dumbass?). Somewhat prior to getting "journal commit I/O error" I might've pulled out a USB stick using ext3. Is it possible that this could've caused the error ? [11:40] maybe... [11:40] yep [11:41] yes [11:41] icarus_, show us your dmesg [11:42] http://piratepad.net/ <-Hrm... kind neat. [11:42] almost like pastebin but.. live. [11:42] that's cool [11:42] I've rebooted 10 times since (was trying to see if I could use the tools on the ultimate boot disc, no such luck since Macbook's and Freedos don't play nice [really, it's due to the broken BIOS emulation that Apple made]) [11:43] nachox: /. story. http://bit.ly/7hhi1d [11:43] almost like pastebin but live? you mean like IRC ? :) [11:43] tank-man: lol. sure. :D [11:44] edman007: I see, I didn't think you had raid5 :P [11:45] Axius (n=ade@92.82.69.20) left irc: "Leaving" [11:45] agentc0re: seems like it's from Sweden or something. ("Pirat Partiet" translates to "The Pirate Party" as in a political party - which, coincidentially, is the name of a political party in Sweden) [11:46] nachox: even past reboots, is there anything I could/should look for in dmesg output ? [11:46] yea, piratepad stuff taken from google. saw a slashdot story on it [11:46] is [11:47] icarus_, show me your syslog.conf [11:47] : /. story. http://bit.ly/7hhi1d ^^^ [11:48] dorin_ro (n=dorin@109.96.216.246) joined ##slackware. [11:48] Nick change: dorin_ro -> oxiredo [11:48] hy [11:48] oxiredo (n=dorin@109.96.216.246) left irc: Client Quit [11:48] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-422046.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:48] dorin_ro (n=dorin@109.96.216.246) joined ##slackware. [11:49] Nick change: dorin_ro -> oxiredo [11:53] nachox: http://www.pastebin.org/66677 (sorry about the delay - keyboard settings acting up) [11:54] that is empty? [11:55] he used invisible ink [11:55] Elen (n=_@port-10642.pppoe.wtnet.de) joined ##slackware. [11:55] Nick change: Elen -> Guest25727 [11:56] hmm, that's odd [11:56] i tried me too: i think it is invizible ink too [11:56] hmmmm, I need a numeric cam [11:57] http://pastebin.org/66677 ah. there we go. (SORRY!).. The www part was throwing it off for some reason [11:57] Mithenks (n=eymerich@213.243.231.193) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:58] whoa, that's a bug. [11:59] icarus, ok, it was an emerg kind of message [11:59] icarus_, check in /var/log/syslog is the message there? [12:00] it's a feature [12:00] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [12:01] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-179-0.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [12:02] nachox: I think it was due to the usb drive :) It reads "journal commit I/O error" and right above that "Aborting journal on device sdb1". I'm on a laptop with one harddrive and I know that my root drive was/is sda3 which leaves me thinking sdb was the device drive for the USB drive at that point [12:02] you're correct [12:03] Action: icarus_ is extremely relieved [12:03] Razec (i=1000@189-92-17-34.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [12:04] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [12:04] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:05] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:05] oxiredo (n=dorin@109.96.216.246) left irc: "Leaving" [12:06] dorin_ro (n=dorin@109.96.216.246) joined ##slackware. [12:06] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.21.160.67) joined ##slackware. [12:06] hi there.. [12:07] icarus_, next time, before unpluging anything umount the volume [12:08] everybody I see just unplugs his USB stick ='( [12:09] i'm mounting and external HD with ext3 fs, the charset encoding is messed up... i get V\303\255deos instead of V?deos, for example... i was searching for some option like utf8 or iocarset from ntfs, vfat filesystems but there is none for ext3... i'm googling arout for about 2 hours now.. i can't find the solution for my problem!!! [12:09] I wish windows displayed a warning in big bold flashing letters: "you fscking idiot, don't unplug your stick without umounting it" [12:09] if only... ='( [12:09] Camarade_Tux, what happened?!? [12:10] oh... i see [12:10] this is very awesome! http://bit.ly/8LnLdr [12:11] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.44) left irc: [12:12] Camarade_Tux: what does me being an idiot have to do with windows ? I know it was wrong but this mac has the USB ports so closely put together that I couldn't jam in a charger for my phone so I just ripped out the USB stick (was in a hurry) [12:12] this is not a windows 7 support channel. [12:12] well, see, you *really* shouldn't [12:12] Camarade_Tux: that said, I was a big fscking idiot ;) [12:12] Avalloc (n=_@port-10642.pppoe.wtnet.de) left irc: Connection timed out [12:12] spook: who mentionned windows *7*? :P [12:13] icarus_: =) [12:13] oh sorry i read ? as 7 [12:13] spook: You wouldn't catch me dead with Windows Vista or 7 ;) I'll admit to having XP, but only virtual and only because of my studies [12:14] windows 7 is actually ok [12:14] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:14] i have xp native for games, i tested windows 7 in a vm alongside vista and xp vms and windows 7 is actually quite nice. [12:14] spook: actually I did that too at first ;-) [12:15] dont get me wrong its still barking up the vista take all power away from the user path, but its a definate improvement on vista [12:15] nachox: had some curious problems with Windows 7, Eclipse and CVS.. It worked brilliantly for everybody else but the windows 7 machine. In general I also find it extremely sluggish compared to XP. Not to mention, it's a knock-off KDE [12:15] I should install a shitload of windows editions in virtual machines so I don't have to actually install it :P [12:16] windows doesnt make for a good dev environment [12:16] spook: windows doesn't make for a good environment *period* =) [12:16] agentc0re: that is an awesome video! [12:17] it makes a perfect workstation for the enterprise actually [12:17] the market says i'm right :P [12:17] agentc0re, wow.. it is really cool!!! [12:17] ext3 allows any char (except nul iirc) [12:18] Pig_Pen: Isn't it? I'm glad i stumbled upon it. it's crazy that our radio signals haven't reached very far out from us. [12:18] nachox: Look at the present world situation. This is brought to you by the majority. Does the majority always (or even just most of the time) make sound decisions ? No ? :) [12:18] mancha: have to escape them :) [12:18] agentc0re: nice link =) [12:18] akSeya so if you want them properly displayed make sure your local is properly set [12:18] icarus_, linux cannot compete in that environment, sorry, but it's the plain truth [12:19] mount the dir, and try: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 ls [12:19] leme try [12:19] F (i=f@216.127.61.186) joined ##slackware. [12:19] Camarade_Tux: thanks! I'm going to have to put that up on my site. :D [12:19] F (i=f@216.127.61.186) left ##slackware. [12:20] s/local/locale [12:20] nachox: Admittedly, you're most likely way more knowledgeable than I on the matter. But I'd still say I believe it's a matter of how the market is put together. Also. What do you mean by enterprise environment ? Anyway, If there only was Windows on PC's I'm pretty sure I'd apply for a bachelor in the liberal arts or something as computing wouldn't be interesting to me at all [12:20] velusip (n=velusip@fatwire-204-46.uniserve.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:21] mancha, didn't work.. so you are saying that it's just a "display" problem, nothing to do about mount [12:22] agentc0re: radio signals from man's most powerful transmitters are little bitty compared to radio signals from other stars, some stars like magnetars spew an incredible amount of radio noise [12:22] i'll try some locale setting ;) thanks for the help [12:22] what character set are the files? [12:22] everything I see on linux still fails by labelling $HOME with your username instead of "HOME" or "Documents" or whatever, this is a terrible problem [12:22] Camarade_Tux: uh... [12:23] Pig_Pen: Ya, i've heard Saturns and/or Jupiters. It's nuts, didn't know that they could do that. [12:23] you understand what a multi-user environment is... right? [12:23] spook: "$user\'s documents"? [12:23] is silly [12:23] you know who you are. [12:23] ~ or home are fine [12:23] mancha, to tell you the truth, i dont know [12:24] spook: having a folder labelled 'Adrien' or 'adrien.nader' is not ok, doesn't make sense [12:24] Pig_Pen: isn't the going idea about our universe that it's a flat 3D plane? [12:24] spook: yup, home is ok but that's not how most file browsers display it (don't remember for dolphin/konqueror though) [12:24] Camarade_Tux: uh? [12:24] it is changing ? with \303\272 ? with \303\272 [12:24] akSeya ok that's probably a first thing to figure out [12:25] Camarade_Tux: dolphin displays it as home [12:25] Camarade_Tux: even so. It's not like Windows makes sense at all, either. If one little dollar is enough to freak you out. How's %SYSTEMDRIVE% and such for ya ? [12:25] I was thinking about that try/error thing XD [12:25] how do you know it is changing? how do you see the "?" [12:26] icarus_: %SYSTEMDRIVE% is almost always hidden, and with $user, I mean it had to be replaced with the corresponding user name [12:26] some folders, as M?sicas is shown M\303\272sicas [12:26] or this one: caspol.exe -addgroup 1.2 -url file:///\\//* FullTrust which I can guarantee you that you'll run into if you work with the .NET platform and shared drives [12:26] i ask again, under what circumstances did you see M?sicas [12:26] spook: nautilus and thunar don't afair and nautilus is more widely used than konqueror (sadly) [12:27] Camarade_Tux: the filemanager in kde4 is dolphin, not konqueror [12:27] on konqueror and on plain text console [12:27] nessundorma (n=mike@78.134.98.69) left irc: "Leaving" [12:27] spook: bah, I know, used to type konqueror ;-) [12:28] akSeya: and what *should* be displayed? [12:28] M?sicas [12:28] akSeya: you didn't actually type a '?', did you? and where are you from? [12:28] brazil [12:29] i didnt type a '?' [12:29] yeah, encoding problems over IRC, like those you have with your filename :P [12:29] icarus_, by the enterprise i mean places with more than say 200 machines counting both laptops and desktops which need strict adherence to certain policies by law. Also the users of the said computers are productivity driven and know nothing about computers except how to do their jobs with them [12:30] huuuum [12:30] someone hand me my human computer interaction textbook, i need to whack some heads at redmond [12:31] so.. M?sicas is M'letteruU with acute'sicas [12:31] smallgoat__ (n=andy@host81-135-86-199.range81-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [12:31] damn [12:31] M?sicas is M'letter u with acute'sicas [12:31] you shouldnt have to learn an interface, should just be intuitive [12:32] akSeya: when you run "locale" in a terminal, what do you get? (if you don't get the same things over and over, use a pastebin, don't paste into the channel) [12:32] spook, the problem with intuition is that intuition is losely related to previous experiences. [12:32] i just changed it to pt_BR.UTF-8 for testing purposes [12:33] nachox: and you're saying that the infrastructure cannot be done with Linux ? I'd think you could do most of it using stuff such as Kerberos and whatnot. About the end-users.. As I understand, corporations don't really like it when employee's install applications by themselves which means whether the system is Linux or Windows matters little as long as they're served a Desktop and the applications needed to perform their duties. [12:33] LANG=pt_BR ls ? [12:34] mancha, nope... [12:34] on gentoo I used to run locale-gen after changing LANG... [12:34] or LANG=pt_BR.UTF-8 ls [12:34] nachox: again, this is just based on casual observance and applied logic. I do *not* have *any* experience deploying services in such environments :) But It's been done which leads me to believe it's not so bad. [12:34] but here on slackware i don't have this locale-gen command... [12:34] slack's glibc provides all of the locales, so you don't need to generate them [12:34] mancha, same thing... [12:35] thrice`, what if they are missing? is it possible? how can I check? [12:35] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Alt_of_C@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:35] could be 8859-1 too [12:35] icarus_, i'm saying that building a similar infrastructure that what you can achieve with windows these days with linux requires significant work, has high mantainance and help-desk costs and therefore makes very little sense [12:36] LANG=en_US.ISO8859-1 ls [12:36] akSeya, um, "locale -a" maybe [12:36] sHyLoCk_ (n=sHyLoCk_@115.187.48.138) left irc: "BBL..." [12:37] nachbox: hmm, maybe. I wouldn't know. But that doesn't justify their current market position when it comes to home users nor does it mean in any way that Windows 7 is decent :) [12:37] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Alt_of_C@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Client Quit [12:37] mike-vm (n=michael@99-166-165-150.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:37] hum.. i guess it's not a good output: http://pastebin.com/d5644462f [12:37] ok, i am done playing 'guess my locale' got errands to run... [12:38] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-235-251.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [12:38] ok mancha .. thanks for your help ;) [12:38] :) hi there [12:38] but i guess the problem is not finding the correct locale [12:38] ak, you have system issues it seems. np sorry i didn't solve. [12:39] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Alt_of_C@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:39] why would we need a M$ style infra structer most problems with linux can be solved by checking forums and IRC [12:39] i mean... changing LANG should make commands output into my language, right?! something like changing it to pt_BR should make "asd" command return "comando n?o encontrado" instead of "command not found" shouldn't it? [12:40] icarus_, it is actually a good operating system that has a bad reputation because of how bad vista was from the usability point of view and XP from the security point of view [12:40] Guest25727 (n=_@port-10642.pppoe.wtnet.de) left irc: Client Quit [12:40] geez nachox, you're getting worse. first you are anti-linux, now you are pro microsoft :> [12:41] toastytoast: home user problems are not the same as enterprise problems. The two settings are very different and that's why it's perfectly possible for a system to be perfectly suited home-user environments yet poorly equipped for the needs of enterprise users :) [12:42] thrice`, not at all, linux has its merits too, i'm just trying to be objective. for example i think opensuse looks better than anything windows can offer, and is extremely polished [12:43] nachox: That's one way of viewing it. Personally, I think people were apalled with Vista and that comparatively 7 seems like a good OS. Certainly, if you were stuck on Windows, 7 is a good choice given the fact that XP is hard to run on recent equipment and the support is running out and given the fact that Vista is horrible. However, being the best choice for average windows users does not make it a good OS. I still find it hor [12:43] i still sue DOS 5.2 with win 3.1 d(^.^)b [12:44] :p [12:45] s/sue/use [12:46] thrice`, you useless hater. it's like when people talk smack about american cars (GM), i tell them to try it and the fact that i've had two three in a row and never had issues [12:46] If anything, I find windows a lovely reminder of how good Linux actually is. Despite the problems I may face, I can always lean over the fence, have a look and come back smiling. [12:46] i think ms might be better off had they kept their OS and GUI seperate [12:47] jeev, hey, I drive a jeep, isn't that american enough? [12:47] jeev, ??? [12:47] it's like people who talk trash about american cars and say japanese are the best [12:47] smallgoat_ (n=andy@host86-149-118-181.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:47] yea, maybe after your lease is over but not during your lease :D [12:47] windows is great for a few things [12:47] toastytoast: They could actually do that still. I think with Windows Server 2008 one of the big features on the packaging was that you could run it GUI-less :) [12:47] pff jee [12:47] p [12:48] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [12:48] well i mena when i was thinking about i though tof it this way [12:48] had they continued keeping GUI and OS seperate then they coudl ahve branched out and offered thew windows GU to linux unix and maybe even mac [12:49] [TurnUnlaggedOff (n=3wr@chello089072048128.chello.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:49] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Alt_of_C@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: "I was raided by the FBI and all I got to keep was this lousy quit message!" [12:49] i doubt that [12:50] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:51] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [12:51] Seriously though. It doesn't seem plausible that Microsoft can keep the pace. Linux receives so much attention around the world. Apple long since gave up maintaining their own OS and went to base their OS on BSD.. How can one company keep pace with the rest of the IT industry while simultaniously funding development for their office/development/game development etc software ? [12:52] icarus_, simple, by having more than 90% of the market [12:53] you think people invest money in linux? you dont seem to know how much cash microsoft and the ISV's invest in windows [12:54] hell, even IHV's microsoft has to write very few drivers for example [12:54] Pig_Pen: http://bit.ly/6fI7wl this is neat. [12:55] davi` (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [12:55] cybErpunk (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:55] nachox: and depending on others to write those drivers is what has led to this situation we're in where none of their operating systems are even remotely stable [12:56] nachox: meh. We'll see. I bet you're right on a lot of points. But I still find it hard that Microsoft will succeed where Hitler failed (in building a thousand-year empire) :) [12:58] icarus_, smartphones are the key imho [13:02] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [13:04] so ooc why do you decide to hang out in #slackwqre nachox do you actually use slackware or do you jsut pop up to cause debates everynow and then? [13:05] pfft nachox been here for a long time he pops in every so often see him more in opensolaris channel then [13:05] interesting [13:06] hey hey.. Nachox seems to know his stuff (he just helped me debug something for christ sakes) and debate is not such a bad thing. In fact, it seems like most internet users loathe debates. What are we living in, a dictatorship ? [13:07] Organizm (n=lane@c-69-243-237-89.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:07] i dopn't loathe debates [13:07] Blind submissions and complete ignorance to any faults does not belong in computing, that's religion ;) [13:07] i jsut haven't talked with nachox very much so i don't know his motives etc. [13:07] i don't talk very much on here my self [13:07] toastytoast, i'm an op in this channel [13:08] i see well once again nachox i am not trying to call you a troll else i would have i'm jsut being curios [13:08] livebrain (n=200mg@87.196.222.217) joined ##slackware. [13:08] hi ppl, i'm using slack 13, fluxbox and thunar [13:08] toastytoast, not a problem. I consider myself to be os agnostic [13:09] and i want to plugin usbpen and make thunar mount it under /mnt/ with its own name [13:09] nachox: so you run most OS's ? [13:09] any pointers on how to do it ? [13:09] livebrain, hotplug doent do that already? [13:09] /dev/disk/by-label has all the labels [13:09] how do i put all the info on fsbat [13:10] so that thunar mounts all the usbpens [13:10] i want only one rule that apllies to all devices [13:10] and not sdb1 sdc1 sde1 and so on [13:11] isnt thunar an xfce thing? [13:11] yes [13:11] but i'm using it as a file explorer [13:11] under fluxbox [13:11] aic (n=anrxc@89.116.33.53) joined ##slackware. [13:11] in order to mount cdrom i need to give the proper permissions under fsbat [13:12] but cdrom its allways the same device [13:12] usbpens are not [13:12] "fsbat"? [13:12] fstab [13:12] oh, OK, makes sense now [13:13] hard for me to explain what i want, english is not my native language [13:13] but do you guys understand what i want ? [13:13] livebrain, http://www.nongnu.org/halevt/ for example? [13:13] so i am assuming you're trying tos et up automount i don't think you need to configure anything with thunar [13:14] yes, but one rule for all devices [13:14] all usbpens [13:14] Organizm (n=lane@c-69-243-237-89.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:15] because devices names change [13:15] hdb1 doesnt allways point to usbcamera [13:15] and hdc1 doesnt allways point to usbpen [13:15] and so on [13:15] livebrain, you need a program that monitors the HAL events [13:16] i beleive you'll need something liek this http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/rc_scripts/other_rc_scripts/rc.autofs [13:16] that's what the link i gave you has [13:16] and maybe this will help http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/rc.autofs-missing-in-slack-10.0-225455/ [13:16] ok, i'll check it [13:16] tkz [13:17] the automounter is useful for nfs toastytoast, but it's not what he wants [13:17] aic (n=anrxc@89.116.33.53) left irc: Nick collision from services. [13:17] aic (n=anrxc@53.33.116.89.ip.lrtc.lt) joined ##slackware. [13:17] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-235-251.33-151.iol.it) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [13:18] icarus_ (n=icarus@79.142.229.158.static.knet.bolignet.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:19] livebrain, the slackbuild.org guys have a slackbuild for it http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/halevt/ [13:19] thanks [13:19] i was already opening slackbuilds :) [13:20] ivman is another good one [13:20] sahk0 (n=sahk0@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:20] wich one does the job using the least amount off configure time ? [13:20] ivman is dead [13:20] hr, anything that automounts USB drives, you still have to manually umount them, no? [13:21] aic (n=anrxc@53.33.116.89.ip.lrtc.lt) left irc: Client Quit [13:21] nachox, so is hal :) [13:22] he will [13:22] thrice`, right :P [13:23] http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/2009/06/23/using-halevt-to-automount-media-and-make-them-appear-on-rox-desktop/ [13:29] impy (n=impy@host86-161-208-221.range86-161.btcentralplus.com) left irc: [13:30] >:-) [13:32] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [13:33] Urchlay, if thunar is a half decent file manager, he wont have to go to the command line though [13:34] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:34] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:34] maybe it will be better in xfce 4.8 when it will suppposingly use gvfs [13:35] firedix (n=firedix@host6.201-252-144.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [13:35] what version of gvfs? wasnt it rewritten multilpe times? :P [13:36] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [13:38] it's being ported to use gio direct [13:40] tediosu (n=blah@217.146.88.13) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:40] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.7) joined ##slackware. [13:41] Hoogin (n=hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [13:42] thrice`, gio? isnt that a gnome 2.22 thing? they are way behind the times :P [13:42] I think you are the one behind the times ;) [13:43] thrice`, my girlfriend always tells me i should have been born 50 or 60 years ago :P [13:44] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:44] lol [13:45] she likes older men? [13:45] no, it's because of some things i do that do not fit into todays society model [13:46] i'm a trusting man for example, i trust people to do their damn jobs [13:49] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. 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[14:15] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [14:15] deco: but why in console another prompt? isn't this bash too? [14:16] dimon: i don't know why [14:16] dimon, the answer to your problem is in bash's man page [14:17] so now the solution is narrowed down to a 3876 line document :) [14:17] dimon, specifically the INVOCATION part [14:18] login shells =) [14:18] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:18] interactive shells [14:20] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:21] Action: Camarade_Tux shouldn't pop up in a channel in which he hasn't read enough of the backlog [14:21] or well enough [14:22] a login shell would have solved his problem too [14:22] sergio (n=sergiobr@201.49.5.175) joined ##slackware. [14:24] still ;-) [14:26] sergio (n=sergiobr@201.49.5.175) left irc: Client Quit [14:31] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-144-124.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:34] hersonls_ (n=hersonls@187.40.108.36) joined ##slackware. [14:39] Hermann (n=Hermannn@c-fd51e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:39] sahk0 (n=sahk0@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left ##slackware. [14:42] evo- (n=evo@p5B2FE31E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:43] nachox: thanks! [14:45] evo_ (n=evo@p5B2FE17B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:47] Axius (n=fim@92.82.92.27) joined ##slackware. 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Maybe you should just do "EXTRA_CMAKE_FLAGS="" bash leechcraft.Slackbuild" [14:58] yeah, looks like an error in the script [14:58] hmm okay, i'll try that [14:58] Well he might have bash set to error out on unset variables, which I doubt is default behavior [14:58] icarus_, it is, "set -eu" [14:59] it defines that variable for 64-bit arch, but nothing else [14:59] line 62 is -DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS="$SLKCFLAGS" [14:59] sahk0 (n=sahk0@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:59] are you on 32-bit, I assume? [14:59] Yes [15:00] I'd just delete that $EXTRA_CMAKE_FLAGS line alltogether and try [15:01] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:01] Okay, that seems to have allowed it to continue. [15:02] Anyone got any nice tips for packaging packages which include a dash ('-') in their real name ? What's the slackware convention on this (I can't leave the dash in because then the slack-desc file won't work etc) [15:02] I'd translate it to an underscore [15:02] icarus_: package name is allowed to have dashes [15:02] oh, name, I read version, sorry :> [15:02] The version must _not_ have dashes [15:03] icarus_, pm-utils is a good example [15:03] icarus_: give us an example of a problematic package name [15:04] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware64-13.0/source/ap/pm-utils/slack-desc works fine :) [15:04] sirslacker1 (n=aligp@p579B54EA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:05] sirslacker2 (n=aligp@p579B54EA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:05] sirslacker2 (n=aligp@p579B54EA.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:06] alienBOB: if you say it's possible, it must be, but I'm having trouble making a package for gecko-sharp [15:06] I had trouble creating a pkg when the name contained and underscore. [15:06] an [15:06] sahk0 (n=sahk0@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left ##slackware. [15:07] mrselfpwn: underscores are allowed as well [15:08] icarus_: the slack-desc must have lines starting with "gecko-sharp: " then. However, what is the version of its source tarball? [15:08] alienBOB: well, the package name is 'gecko-sharp-2.0-0.13-x86_64-1_jwm.tgz [15:08] sirslacker1 (n=aligp@p579B54EA.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:08] that's your problem :) [15:08] alienBOB: the slack desc has each line prefixed 'gecko-sharp:' [15:08] sirslacker1 (n=aligp@p579B54EA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] 2.0-0.13 [15:09] Indeed [15:09] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-122-11-189.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] trhice`: oh, crap ;) sorry! [15:09] sirslacker1 (n=aligp@p579B54EA.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:09] sirslacker1 (n=aligp@p579B54EA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. 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[15:44] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:45] If I'm upgrading my version of libdrm, how should I uninstall the old version before installing the new one? [15:45] mkoco: If you are creating a slackware package of the new libdrm (which is advisable), you should just use removepkg to remove the old one. [15:45] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-54-187.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:45] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [15:46] I didn't create a slackpackge, I just downloaded and compiled the source. [15:46] But I'll look into making a slackware package of it, thanks. [15:47] Creating a package is always advisable. [15:47] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:47] You could, however, still just remove the old version and install the new one. [15:47] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-122-11-189.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:48] By simply removing the files? [15:48] Using removepkg. [15:48] Okay [15:48] SoulBurner (n=lumni@c-76-26-77-214.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:49] This thread includes information on creating a slackbuild for a newer libdrm: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/radeon-kms-works-760963/ [15:49] Ah, thank you! [15:50] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:50] reloaded_ (n=back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:51] janemba (n=back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:52] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [15:53] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:54] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I'm done for now" [15:55] hmm, could u please tell me, how do i install package any_pkg.SlackBuild ? [15:56] read the readme or install file that came with it? [15:57] raela: not any! :( this is qt4 [15:59] smallgoat_ (n=andy@host86-152-199-100.range86-152.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:00] pattwo (n=pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [16:04] i just got a new cpufrequtils with a new util which is cpufreq-aperf...there is one thing i dont understand [16:05] "The msr driver must be loaded for this command to work" what is that [16:05] jar_corefile (n=jar_core@pool-71-125-81-23.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:06] hi all ... I'm trying to get compositing to work on a new slack13.0 install ... I've read on some old forums (circa 2006) that the oss 'nv' driver doesn't support compositing ... anyone know if that's still true? [16:07] yes [16:07] the nvidia driver does not work for you? [16:07] and it will stay that way, "nv" will not support anything [16:07] its closed but of very good quality [16:07] nv is basically in even worst shape than it was in 2006 [16:08] very good quality? [16:08] lcraft3415 (n=lcraft@cpe-075-176-187-163.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:09] lcraft3415 (n=lcraft@cpe-075-176-187-163.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:09] plutonium (n=plutoniu@80.85.119.109) joined ##slackware. [16:09] lcraft3415 (n=lcraft@cpe-075-176-187-163.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:09] lcraft3415 (n=lcraft@cpe-075-176-187-163.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: SendQ exceeded [16:10] nv is the oss driver, nvidia is the close. i got now what you mean... [16:10] s/close/closed [16:10] nouveau is pretty good though :-) [16:11] thanks for the info [16:12] i'll wait one year before i'll test nouveau or ati-drm again...wasted another 2 days for nothing [16:13] beta testing 3d drivers for like ten years? i'm sick and tired of that [16:13] hehe [16:13] Organizm (n=lane@c-69-243-237-89.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:14] nouveau or ati-drm? huh? nvidia/ati? [16:14] remembering all those fiddling and fighting with glu and utah glx...not much changed since then [16:14] credo (n=cherchez@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [16:14] I mean these are not for the same hardware... [16:14] i have both type of cards [16:14] Nvidia's getting my money. [16:15] Nick change: Guest71345 -> Dominus [16:15] nvidia won't be getting my money [16:15] intel is ok if you dont need anything intensive [16:15] s/ intensive// ;-) [16:15] Nick change: Dominus -> TheTrash [16:15] AMD is killing NVidia at the moment [16:15] Camarade_Tux: then you won't get 3D :D [16:15] too bad their linux drivers are not that good [16:15] TheTrash: not sure [16:16] nachox: AMD still sucks with wine [16:16] the nvidia driver is closed, but very good. i wont die without booting in a framebuffer. do "startx" anyway. [16:16] icarus_, ? [16:16] Or you will get 3D but spend nights getting it to work, every time they update the driver. [16:16] the nvidia driver is really annoying for me: I often update my kernel and such kernel modules are a pita [16:16] have a look at winehq's appdb.. Lots and lots of games won't run if it's an AMD card.. [16:16] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:16] Camarade_Tux, yeah, that' a bitch [16:16] curious: how big should a swap partition be? [16:16] no...they compile and install flawlessly [16:17] icarus_, oh, i didnt know that... i dont play much [16:17] nachox: as big as you need it to be? =) [16:17] cteg: what? what compiles and install flawlessly? [16:18] Camarade_Tux, ??? [16:18] nachox: tab-fail ;-) [16:18] the nvidia drivers [16:18] NaCl: ^^ [16:18] i dont have the slightest problems with that [16:18] hehe [16:18] Camarade_Tux: heh [16:18] cteg: 21:32 ~/projects/caravel % du -hs /usr/src/linux/.git [16:18] 463M /usr/src/linux/.git [16:18] Um... [16:18] 2x RAM? [16:18] see why it's a real pain for me? [16:19] NaCl, if you want suspend to disk to work, you need something at least as large as your ram [16:19] pain...hrm...you just have to build the kernel modules which is 30 seconds...but ok i see [16:19] NaCl: I don't have a swap enabled right now, I can enable 4GB which are inside a file, on a fat partition (I share this swap-file with windows) [16:19] interesting. [16:19] cteg: it breaks very oten [16:19] often* [16:20] NaCl, i'd use twice or 3 times your ram. Disk space is really cheap these days after all [16:20] yeah. [16:20] 500GB <-> 30 euros [16:20] Action: NaCl has much diskspace [16:20] 200MB/s read speed ^^ [16:21] Camarade_Tux: ok i your special case [16:21] +in [16:22] cteg: more than for that, even without a git repo I could have that problem [16:22] Camarade_Tux, i dont think any regular disk can do more than 50mb/s [16:22] and only stable releases [16:22] nachox: it definitely does that [16:23] Camarade_Tux, from the cache probably, staight from the platers i can asure you it doesnt [16:24] different thing. do you guys think running my ram with 1.65 instead of the specified 1.5v could damage something [16:24] nachox: no, reads 1GB in 5s, uncached (echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches) [16:24] and dd to /dev/null over more than what could fit in cache [16:24] maybe an 15.000 rpm one in stripe raid [16:24] with 1.5 my board is unstable. freezes...cant even install anything [16:24] apn (n=apn@12.34.13.132) joined ##slackware. [16:24] cteg: why do you want to increase that? overclocked? [16:25] acidchild, around? [16:25] ALVAN: 7200rpm [16:25] no...with 1.5v the board is unstable. linux installed with the 5th try and freezes randomly. win wont even install [16:25] single-platter I think [16:25] no overclocking. just the ram voltage [16:25] cteg: is the hardware new? [16:25] yes [16:26] I'd rather try to have the hardware exchanged [16:26] other folks do that too, seen in forums. no one though would tell me if it is hazardous in the long run [16:26] Camarade_Tux, that echo erases the ram cache, not the cache memory of the disk [16:26] its just this f*** combination of ram and board [16:27] i have two 320GB at 7200 rpm in stripe raid .. with xfs i can write with max 64MB/s .. read is more but still cant reach 200MB/s [16:27] jar_corefile (n=jar_core@pool-71-125-81-23.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:27] that makes more sense [16:27] nmoura (n=nmoura@g3.alog.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [16:28] ALVAN: why RAID0? [16:28] I'll run any benchmark you want when I get back to my hardware which means, in more than two weeks though [16:29] thumbs, it is used only for storing movies and some serials so i want high disk access [16:29] nachox: but my cache is 32MB or 64MB, not 1GB (or was it 2GB or 4GB?) ;-) [16:30] cteg: which board, which ram? [16:30] btw, my hardware is new [16:30] Organizm (n=lane@c-69-243-237-89.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:31] Camarade_Tux, i dont know. all i know is that there is no chance in hell your disks work that fast. use filebench to test it [16:31] dd is no test [16:32] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:1b3) joined ##slackware. [16:33] my hdparm -tT http://pastebin.org/66739 [16:33] mdadm raid1 with LVM stripe, 6 drives. [16:34] my write is slow as hell though... not sure why. [16:35] Shingoshi (n=shingosh@c-24-21-15-58.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:36] dimon (n=dimon@188.134.8.110) left irc: "leaving" [16:36] Camarade_Tux: its an asus p7p55d and corsair ddr3-1333 [16:37] nachox: well, I'm definitely willing to test that more, 200MB/s is hella fast, think any of us will remember that in two weeks? (time to get back to my hardware) [16:37] agentc0re, you can try to increase read ahead with blockdev [16:37] agentc0re, again, use filebench [16:38] normally it should be set as your hard disk cache RAM [16:38] agentc0re, btw, mind showing me the output of mount? [16:38] or use hdparm -a [16:39] cteg: tried to downclock your ram a bit? 1266? or a bios update? it's quite surprising this hardware isn't reliable [16:40] nachox: sure, here's a few extra if you are or were curious. http://pastebin.org/66743 [16:41] agentc0re, oh, i see, /dev/os is where lvs are [16:41] yup. [16:42] nille_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-176.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:42] Camarade_Tux: bios is up to date, did not try anything else than ram voltage since i don't have much clue about this overclocking stuff. i hate all that timings and steppings and voltages...bah [16:42] i might try to find an asus forum or something [16:42] hersonls_ (n=hersonls@187.40.108.36) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:42] cteg: btw, which timings for your ram? [16:43] 9-9-9-24 [16:44] nothing fancy...i just want a stable box...damnit never had such problems. [16:44] cteg, maybe an bios update .. i recommend you to stick with the defaults in bios for voltage and stuff [16:44] hersonls_ (n=hersonls@187.40.108.36) joined ##slackware. [16:45] ALVAN: bios is up to date. defaults are just not running, that is the problem [16:45] agentc0re, the installer does lvm these days? [16:46] your ram manufacturer must be ok with the board [16:46] nachox: It wont configure the LVM for you, but it does detect it for drives to install to. [16:46] cteg: try *down*clocking the ram, to 1200 or so, it's only slightly lower [16:47] yes i might try that. other thing i was reading was to slightly raise that qpi voltage [16:47] like 0.01v or whatever. man how i hate that [16:48] cteg, is not always ram problem .. your power supply must be able for all the board components disk, cd-rom [16:49] did you tried a memtest ? [16:49] yes sure, memtest++, and i compiled like 20 kernels and 100 packages [16:49] able to power [16:50] its not the powersupply if it runs perfectly with a ram voltage of 1.65v instead of 1.5v [16:51] i usually by ram that is ok with the board [16:51] i did too [16:52] i could'nt test it personally, my vendor is a few hundred miles away, but the ram is in the asus book [16:52] is one memory stick or dual set in dual mode ? [16:52] brbrbr (n=z@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [16:52] mkoco (n=mtkoan@c-98-221-182-45.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:53] 2*2gb, slots a1 and b1. [16:55] next problem, too much testing with freezes is destroying my fs ;) i'm glad i'm on ext3 now [16:55] slackie (n=x@cb-217-129-168-42.netvisao.pt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:56] i presume from the same ram manufacturer [16:56] a1 and b1 should be dual mode if motherboard supports it [16:57] nachox: Hrm. can't get filebench to build on slackware64. :/ [16:57] tediosu (n=blah@217.146.88.13) joined ##slackware. [16:59] I'm starting to understand why most packages come with patches now.. Some guys just don't test their build-switches :/ [16:59] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [16:59] agentc0re, what hdparm -a /dev/data/home shows [17:00] readahead = 1024 (on) [17:00] arcfide (i=arcfide@adsl-99-31-12-73.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:01] e01 (n=OSCorp01@office.izrod.net) joined ##slackware. [17:01] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-88.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:02] hello [17:02] i have a problem with some apps that want root access [17:02] agentc0re, i see you have jfs .. i personally like xfs for big files(movies, .iso images ) and ext4 for slackware and small files [17:02] So, someone mentioned Symphony the other night, and it seemed worth installing, but all it has is this strange RPM that seems to do some interesting things. Does anyone have a successful installation story of Symphony on Slackware? [17:02] for example gksu, it show me an dialog to input a root pass, but next show me message, that password is incorrect [17:02] Lotus Symphony, that is. [17:03] i did my xfs with nobarrier .. dont know so much about jfs performance [17:03] ChickenLittle (n=robert@ZL000120.ppp.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [17:04] I use JFS, does someone have a question about JFS? [17:05] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "PEBKAC, ID-10-T clicked the X ^_^" [17:05] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:07] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-017-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] lvillani (n=lvillani@kde/developer/lvillani) joined ##slackware. [17:09] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.29.42) joined ##slackware. [17:09] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:09] can I make one big patch file to afflict several files ? Right now I'm making one patch file per file I wish to patch (as in 'diff -u A B > C' to create a patch-file, C, which can turn a file of type A into B) [17:10] icarus_: Yes, you can. [17:10] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:12] ChickenLittle (n=robert@ZL000120.ppp.dion.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [17:12] arcfide: the only info I can seem to dig up on multiple files afflicted by one patch is that I can copy the entire directory, apply my changes and THEN create the patch file. But I'm making some changes in /usr/lib64/pkgconfig and I'd rather not copy it all over [17:13] icasrus_: Generally speaking, it is possible to concatenate unified diffs together into a single file for use by patch. [17:13] At least, that was how it was if my memory serves. I have not done that in some time. [17:14] *d'uh* of course ! I was just being stupid. The patch file seems to refer to a file name as well, it should work! [17:15] try something simple, like "cat 1.patch 2.patch > 3.patch" [17:15] Xires_012 (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:17] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [17:17] I'm just getting the feeling that I must be doing something wrong here, or the mono packages aren't happy about changing the libdir to point somewhere else hehe. [17:18] x-ip (n=sakura-s@host93.200-117-36.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [17:18] brbrbr (n=z@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: "Mwahahahahahahaha :)" [17:20] nille_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-176.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [17:22] icarus use the ldd-force :) [17:22] fu-ldd [17:22] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [17:22] ldd-force? [17:22] ldd.8 [17:23] its fu [17:23] i've never heard of it, but it's scary as hell [17:23] heh [17:23] sure you have [17:23] here's the non sequitor of the day: [17:23] ``the shadow of a dog never bit anyone.'' [17:24] lol [17:24] Mithenks (n=eymerich@213.243.231.193) joined ##slackware. [17:24] tripFantastic, acidlover?? [17:24] lol [17:25] two idiots walk into a bar and sit at it; bar wench comes over and snears "what'll you have"; idiot #1 says bottle of beer; idiot #2 says beer and whiskey chaser. [17:26] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201204959]" [17:26] So, will a 64-bit version of Java run the 32-bit Java in Symphony? [17:26] not likely [17:27] 32-64 == 32 bits mising [17:28] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:28] arcfide, ??? [17:28] 32 bit java? 64 bit java? [17:28] nachox: The 64-bit JRE. [17:28] Symphony looks to need to run Java. [17:29] there is only one way to know, try it [17:29] Well, I would if had any clue what this RPM is doing. [17:29] rpm? [17:29] how did you install that? [17:29] Slackware ships with rpm installed. :-) [17:29] But I'm making a Slackware package. [17:30] So I want to see what the scripts are doing. [17:30] arcfide, but, but, there is rpm2tgz :P [17:30] rpm2tgz didn't work, so I'm trying the other way now. [17:30] _abc_ (n=no@unaffiliated/ccbbaa) joined ##slackware. [17:30] nachox: Symphony does a lot of its installation work in the scripts, it appears. [17:30] rpm3targz? :) [17:30] rpm2tgz doesn't keep that around. [17:30] <_abc_> is there something akin to bsd make world on slackware? [17:30] Yes, I am trying that now. [17:30] _abc_: In what context? [17:30] absc, nop [17:30] What are you trying to do? [17:31] <_abc_> arcfide: system rebuild [17:31] <_abc_> from scratch or cross compile [17:31] _abc_: The equivalent is to grab the slack packages and reinstall. [17:31] Slackware goes by binaries instead of source rebuilds. [17:31] <_abc_> arcfide: ok. so i'm looking at gentoo i guess... [17:32] _abc_: Huh? [17:32] <_abc_> well i would like to reduce the work load so i'm looking at other systems [17:33] <_abc_> bsd or gentoo or arch linux [17:33] What do you mean reduce work load? [17:33] raela (n=raela@c-76-100-139-184.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:33] <_abc_> arcfide: work load when recompiling or cross compiling the system [17:34] why do you need to recompile the system? [17:34] <_abc_> thrice`: because i am trying to shrink it to fit in a small machine [17:34] recompiling software does not make it smaller [17:34] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [17:34] _abc_: Recompiling isn't going to make a big enough difference there. If you want to make a small system, you remove packages. [17:35] <_abc_> well i am into busybox, dietlibc and the like [17:36] tried out microlibc? [17:36] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [17:36] <_abc_> not yet (making note) [17:36] http://www.uclibc.org/ [17:36] <_abc_> is microlibc on slackware now? [17:37] <_abc_> in the distro? [17:37] Hermann (n=Hermannn@c-fd51e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [17:37] no [17:37] <_abc_> ok [17:37] abc, easy enough to set up a ulibc toolchain though (sorry for the "u" but the micro symbol is hard to do in ascii) [17:37] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [17:38] <_abc_> mancha: i did that before for mips i still have the disks with the toolchain. but i am looking at a more intergrated system where i can do a make --arch=somearch world and magic happens. this is the way it works on netbsd by the way ... [17:39] anyone know where to get libgtkembedmoz.so ? [17:39] <_abc_> icarus_: it comes with firefox [17:39] <_abc_> when you unpack firefox it's placed in the system [17:39] <_abc_> try locate libgtkembedmoz.so [17:40] abc are you sure? [17:40] Yea, I'd think so too, only I don't have it in any other place than bundled with thunderbird [17:40] <_abc_> icarus_: well d/l firefox and open the package [17:40] And I have been using locate for it. Just tried slackpkg too and it only returns thunderbird [17:40] <_abc_> there is something alive in my wall ... [17:40] raela (n=raela@c-76-100-139-184.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:41] i don't have it in my firefox or my thunderbird, but i build tbird static [17:41] mkoco (n=mtkoan@c-98-221-182-45.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:41] <_abc_> mancha: well then it's built in ... [17:41] i don't know. what is that library? [17:42] so what. I have to download and recompile firefox or something ? ;) [17:42] tediosu (n=blah@217.146.88.13) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:42] mancha: it seems to allow you to embed the mozilla browser component into an app or something. [17:42] <_abc_> brb i need to know what is gnawing its way through the exterior wall. it's like -12 degrees C outside [17:42] _abc_: wait for it.......... aliens o_O [17:43] zombie cats :o [17:43] they wants blood [17:44] <_abc_> ok, it was blowing frozen snow this time. the house is made of hollow bricks and all sorts of critters can get in and walk around inside the walls [17:44] oh [17:44] _abc_: canada ? [17:44] tediosu (n=blah@217.146.88.13) joined ##slackware. [17:44] <_abc_> romania, europe [17:44] oh [17:45] <_abc_> i think that there will be frozen stray dogs on the street in the morning. it has happened before. [17:46] icarus, are you sure this is still a used library? seems to be ff2.0.x related [17:47] http://support.mozilla.com/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?locale=eu&comments_parentId=97508&forumId=1 [17:47] <_abc_> i was going to say that mancha [17:48] <_abc_> ok, time for shuteye [17:48] _abc_: last week it was -46C with the windchill here. [17:48] <_abc_> chopp: here where? [17:48] mancha: yea I am, I just compiled Monodevelop 2.2 and it's complaining it doesn't have it [17:48] <_abc_> the internet is a truly global place [17:48] _abc_: Alberta, Canada [17:49] Hermann (n=Hermannn@c-fd51e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:50] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:50] <_abc_> oh, ok [17:51] <_abc_> it does not impress me much anymore, one has to be clothed properly and not do stupid things and that's it [17:51] i found a broken link in a salckbuild, should i mail the maintainer ? [17:51] Ahah, rpm -qp --scripts... [17:51] <_abc_> chopp: is that with the windchill or just temperature? [17:51] or who approved the slackbuild ? [17:52] icarus, seems you need an older xulrunner or else a newer monodevelop (?) [17:53] _abc_: that was with the windchill. The only place colder was Zhilinda, Siberea at -48C [17:53] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-209-043.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:55] MrDusty (n=dusty@174.37.216.194) left irc: "leaving" [17:55] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:56] <_abc_> ok, chopp, stay inside and write good code ;) [17:56] <_abc_> cu [17:56] _abc_ (n=no@unaffiliated/ccbbaa) left irc: "leaving" [17:58] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [17:59] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.7) left irc: [18:03] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:04] OpenSys (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left ##slackware ("curiosity kill the kat"). [18:05] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:27] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:28] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:28] Does the kernel that comes with Slackware play nice with Xen? [18:28] (As a DomU, that is) [18:28] Masterx841 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:29] Christ this /usr/lib64 for 64bit libs is annoying the hell out of me atm [18:30] icarus_: don't say the lords name in vain ! [18:30] I actually prefer Gentoo's way of doing that; /usr/lib is a symlink to /usr/lib64, and there also exists /usr/lib32. Same for /lib, /lib32, and /lib64. [18:32] anything other than this. The Mono (and friends needed for Monodevelop) are wreaking havoc when they get the --libdir=/usr/lib64 option fed. [18:34] Well too bad for Mono then [18:34] Bad programming [18:34] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:35] Kidpunkx (n=Masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:36] alienBOB: I know. I'm also just thinking of how many bug reports I'd like to throw their way atm ;) That said, It's too bad for mono, and too bad for poor me who's suffering all this [18:36] uva (i=bno@118-160-161-73.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:37] and they are *terribly* inconsistent with these pkgconfig pc files which refer to the location of their dll files (mono dll's).. Some are written perfectly well and others will not work due to this libdir business. [18:38] You get a feel now for the reason Gnome was dropped from Slackware... [18:38] andre (n=andre@dslb-084-059-099-116.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [18:38] hello [18:38] Haha, You and me both, icarus_. I'm trying to get Symphony installed on Slackware64. [18:38] Out of curiosity, would it break much if I moved everything in /usr/lib to /usr/lib64 (and /lib to /lib64) and then symlinked /lib to /lib64 and /usr/lib to /usr/lib64? [18:38] anyone have synch your ihpone on slackware? [18:38] (i.e. has anyone done it?) [18:38] alienBOB: If they were this poor at packaging their software, yea. I'm feelin' it :P [18:39] with songbird [18:39] ? [18:39] or other software? [18:39] in virtualbox [18:40] itunes is my only reason to run anything windows [18:40] so it will work with an iphone i guess [18:40] hmm ok [18:41] andre: don't know the details. But it's likely that you're out of options aside from using virtualbox/vmware. See, some versions (newer versions) of the firmware encrypt everything meaning it's impossible to alter it from linux. Others require you to jailbreak the ipod and jump through all sorts of hoops (including mounting the actual ipod filesystem via SSH-FUSE) to make it work. Really, if I were you I'd delegate the management of my ipod to a virtual [18:41] my solution is not to use apple hardware =) [18:41] im test songbird with ipod plugin [18:41] :> [18:42] andre: and yea.. Next time you upgrade your music player, get a non-Apple standard MP3 player. Apple is just a bad choice as soon as you stray from the path (that is, using OS X or using Win + iTunes) [18:42] there is a thing using libgtkpod which actually works for ipods i heard. [18:42] cteg: yea, sorta.. but not on newer firmware [18:42] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:43] Mithenks (n=eymerich@213.243.231.193) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:43] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [18:45] virtualbox is capable of usb 2.0 still its very slow, don't know why. [18:45] veeery slow. [18:45] VMWare Workstation I know is capable of using Intel Virtualization I/O technology. [18:45] B4RR13N705 (n=alpha@host176.190-229-203.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [18:45] It seems to have good throughput. [18:46] hi, ive just installed rosegarden, but when i run it, i get: rosegarden: error while loading shared libraries: libkdecore.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. Its weird because i DO HAVE Kde4 installed... [18:46] use kvm [18:47] mancha: tried qemu-kvm...no usb 2.0...won't detect ipods/iphones [18:47] B4RR13N705, sounds like kde3 [18:47] do you have a libkdecore.so.4 file? [18:48] cteg, detecting ipod/iphone is different from no usb2, are you sure about this? [18:48] ive downloaded a kdecore4 package, but i got ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't setup DCOP communication. [18:48] B4RR13N705, again, I think that's a really old kde3 library [18:48] yes...as far as i understand, you can plug a 1.1 device into 2.0, but not the other way round [18:49] thrice`: maybe... [18:49] definitely [18:49] arcfide: Symphony 32bits ? On Slackware64? It is possible [18:49] hold on, is your actual port a 2.0 capable port? [18:49] i doubt this is true cteg, sorry to say, i feel the error is yours [18:49] eelriver (n=eelriver@c-24-130-112-52.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:50] i tried, it just won't see your apple device [18:50] again, saying it won't see the device and saying you don't have usb2.0 suppport are two different things, grok me soldier? [18:50] alienBOB: without rpm? I don't like rpm installed on my laptop! any other way without rpm?? [18:51] mancha: saying it has no usb 2 support is from the doc, actually [18:52] thrice`: so, i have to download libkdecore3 instead of libkdecore4? [18:52] alienBOB: I would love to know how it is possible. [18:52] alienBOB: Specifically, the 1.3 RPM installer is crazy, and I don't have the time at my current level to wade through a massive set of install scripts. [18:53] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:53] SlackBuilds are a lot easier. :-) [18:53] I got so far as extracting out the scripts and reading through them, as well as able to get some errors out of the basic file extraction installation, but not enough to understand how to build the symlinks correctly. [18:53] So I can't make a proper doinst.sh. [18:53] cteg, fair enough, if it only does 1.1 then that's different [18:53] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.87.105.145) joined ##slackware. [18:54] andre (n=andre@dslb-084-059-099-116.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:54] so it only emulates uhci? [18:56] i remember work to create an ehci emulator back in the beginning of'08 that is why i am very surprised [18:57] Agiofws (n=nnAgiofw@athedsl-422405.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:58] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [18:58] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-54-187.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [18:58] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:58] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [19:00] Agiofws (n=nnAgiofw@athedsl-422405.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [19:01] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [19:02] hrmm, seems you're right, only uhci, wonder what the hell happened to that project, i thought they were close. but i might just be misremembering [19:02] that project = ehci emulation [19:02] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-422405.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:02] and you are right too, there seems to be a kind of development, i've seen patches and stuff [19:03] but somehow its...don't know [19:03] arcfide: any luck with the rpm from hell ? [19:04] after installing libkdecore4-3.5.6-13 i just get a ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Pipe closed unexpectedly. :s [19:04] if it needs kde3 then i think you need to install some kind of compatibility set (several deals) it probably relies on kdelibs, etc. [19:05] mancha: what does this 'grok' mean, exactly ? I've sort of gathered that "grok me" is sort of equivalent to "got me" and "grok" seems to imply "understand" .. but is that all there is to it ? [19:05] icarus_: Not really. [19:05] but i have no clue what you're doing :) so i could be wrong. [19:05] Maybe I should just use RHEL? :-) [19:05] icarus, yes, i use it as "understand what i'm saying" [19:06] arcfide: The path of the dark side. Quicker, easier it is, but not stronger, hmm! [19:06] It wouldn't really be quicker, overall. Just for this one task. [19:06] Making slackbuilds is a lot easier than RPM SPEC files. [19:06] arcfide: the night is young and the RPM unyielding, who's to say what will be the fastest ? ;) [19:07] dorin_ (n=dorin@109.96.216.246) joined ##slackware. [19:07] Have you seen my software stack? Not exactly favoring to RHEL either. [19:07] though yea, I've never really gotten rpm's.. I've made one or two but that's it.. I've never had a good grasp of deb's either. But Slackbuilds.. that's much more me [19:08] Right now I have a mix of non-managed and managed packages on Slackware. [19:08] I don't manage NEdit, or MaXX, but most of the others are. [19:08] there is no mystery to either...both are source packages, debs are plainer (just cpios with some control data)... [19:09] by cpio's i guess i mean ar packages [19:09] mancha: No mistery, but a whole lot of pain when you want to make an RPM, compared to a SlackBuild. [19:09] mancha: I take it you haven't met lintian and friends yet -_- [19:09] Pinnen (i=pinnen@h-36-27.A204.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Client Quit [19:09] nah, making an rpm is very simple [19:09] mancha: I've done it, and it's not as easy as a SlackBuild. [19:09] Pinnen (n=pinnen@h-36-27.A204.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:09] i find it just as easy [19:10] C00re (i=hard@unaffiliated/c00re) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:10] dorin_ro (n=dorin@109.96.216.246) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:10] dorin_ (n=dorin@109.96.216.246) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:10] C00re (i=hard@unaffiliated/c00re) joined ##slackware. [19:10] nope, don't know lintian [19:10] Not hard, but not easier at all. [19:10] that tool (lintian) is so vicious that when I told a debian-guy I was trying to make a deb package and lint wouldn't pass he couldn't stop himself laughing. Through the laughing I did make out phrases such as "lint is a super-nazi" [19:10] Pinnen (n=pinnen@h-36-27.A204.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: SendQ exceeded [19:10] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [19:10] Pinnen (i=pinnen@h-36-27.A204.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:11] oh, and he's administering quite a few networks as well as working with debian professionally. Not the best packager I'd guess, but lint is really *vicious* [19:12] -_- [19:13] arcfide, i guess i don't agree. i don't see why writing a spec file is any harder than a bash slackbuild script [19:13] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.53.176) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:14] thinking again of it, it should accept my ipod anyway...maybe i had no uhci in the kernel that time [19:14] mancha: I have a simple yet intuitive answer to that. See, when you compile something from source and make it work, you can go two routes: 1) leave it there, 2) write a rpm/deb/slackbuild [19:15] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:15] B4RR13N705 (n=alpha@host176.190-229-203.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving." [19:15] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-017-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:15] mancha: now. writing a slackbuild is basically like copying the history of the terminal you just used. It's a direct 1:1 thing. Whereas writing an RPM spec or the files for a DEB package you're often left with a feeling of "Oh I know how to do this but I don't know how to transfer it to these package files!". That's what makes it harder, really. [19:16] mancha: SlackBuilds are free enough that you can write your own variables for things. Additionally, you can bring to bear your already existing shell script knowledge. Additionally, you don't have to explicitly list out every file and make sure it is marked with the right permissions, because you do this automatically. There are some things you can do to generate the SPEC file for you, but it still takes more labor for me th [19:16] that I type into a Slackbuild into an RPM anyways, but then I have to write a separate file for it too with more stuff. [19:17] mancha: But, that's just me. I'm sure that you could find a SPEC file easier to write than a SlackBuild script. [19:18] Now, does anying now Win32 programming with WInsock 2 who can explain to me how WSAioctl works? :-) [19:19] wrong channel, wrong universe ? ;) [19:19] Why do you think I've been setting up VMs lately? I gotta stinkin' port a library to Windows! [19:19] nothings ever had took me one day with no progresses as symphony did! [19:19] sirslacker: Did you get it to work? [19:19] x-ip (n=sakura-s@host93.200-117-36.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:19] no [19:19] LOL [19:19] x-ip (n=sakura-s@host93.200-117-36.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [19:20] Well, I know what the problem is, and I have some error logs for you, but I don't have a clue what to do about it. [19:20] I read more than 4 our about rpm packages, but nothing!!! [19:20] sirslacker: rpm -qp --xml or rpm -qp --scripts [19:20] That gives you everything or the install scripts, respectively. [19:20] ok, i guess this argument is a bit pointless. as in what is is easier. my initial point was that rpm building wasn't hard. i like bash though and i like slackbuilds...i am not troubled about writing a spec if i have to though/. [19:21] hahha [19:21] From there, you can see what they do when then install things. The only problem is that the normal installation doesn't work if you use straight RPM, and something is seriously not cool in there. [19:21] something I don't get here.. Didn't alienBOB already package symphony, if so, doesn't he have something you can use ? [19:21] icarus_: I had the impression that he had, but I don't see it. [19:21] And he isn't stepping up to say anything about it. [19:21] why don't you just get the .rpm and extract the contents and package it for slackware? [19:22] sorry i am only peeking in here every so often so if you've already explained why this is not possible disregard. [19:22] mancha: I'm pretty sure the install-scripts are the trouble-makers.. much like doinsh usually generates symlinks etc [19:22] mancha: That is what I am trying to do. [19:23] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [19:23] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:23] just look at %pre and %post? [19:23] synfin (n=synfin@199.195.58.16) left irc: "Leaving" [19:23] those are sh-compatible, no? [19:23] mancha: Yep, and they are so complex that they are broken out into lot's of subroutines, and there isn't a line in there that isn't filled with VARIABLES! [19:24] Yes... [19:24] And no, they don't work. [19:24] But they think they do. [19:24] they have to work, since the rpm installs on rpm systems :) [19:25] is this part of your work, or you doing it for free? [19:25] arcfide: do you have rpm installed on your machine? [19:25] what app is this btw, give me a link and i can look at it when i am more sober [19:25] Yes. [19:25] This is Lotus Symphony. [19:25] and installing the rpm directly is not working either? [19:26] drkstr (n=not@unaffiliated/dedhed) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:26] That is right. [19:26] well, firstly you need to make sure you have all the needed deps. then you should probably install with --nodeps [19:27] you can also install to a rootdir of choice and makepkg the old-fashioned way? [19:27] (just thinking out loud here) [19:28] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:29] mancha: Yes, the only dep is libstd++.so.6, which is installed. Then of course, I extracted out the actual files there, into a root, which forms my initial package tree. [19:29] Now comes the hard part. [19:30] guys can some one help me by something else, I can't read the menu list on OOo, picasa, wine, ...! [19:30] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:30] arcfide: I have a sbopkg queue file that I used to build all dependencies for Lotus Notes/Symphony/Sametime [19:30] A bunch of files are programmatically generated by the post-install script, including the binary links, and they are done using what appears to be this kind of launcher called rcplauncher, which has absolutely no command line help. [19:30] Even though all the Lotus stuff is 32bits, I am using it with success on this Slackware64 laptop [19:31] I have a Symphony RPM that integrates with Notes & Sametime into the same framework: ibm_lotus_symphony-8.5.1.i586.rpm [19:31] alienBOB: Is this the symphony.lotus.com stuff or is this the other Symphony? Lotus Symphony is supposedly a "new Symphony." [19:31] ...but I can not give it to you [19:31] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [19:31] I think that's the wrong symphony. This is symphony-1.3.i586.rpm. [19:31] Yes that is the old stuff [19:31] Or, well, maybe it's the same if it is a later version. [19:32] I am working with the new unreleased stuff [19:32] What did you do to get it to work? [19:32] There is new unreleased stuff? :-) [19:32] I just installed a wad of other packages (mainly to fulfill gnome dependencies) [19:32] arcfide: I work at IBM, there is a lot you don't see but I do [19:32] Hahaha. [19:32] in HS we used to call that "a tease" [19:33] cbpye (n=cbpye@h152.109.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [19:33] But I can upload the sbopkg queuefile, that way you can build all the requirements in one command [19:33] mancha: That's alright, I also am in that position. [19:33] Just with proprietary compilers, rather than Business software. [19:33] alienBOB: Are all these requirements for Symphony? [19:34] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.87.105.145) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:34] The RPM claims only libstd++ is required. [19:34] is your shizznitz better than gcc? [19:34] drkstr (n=not@unaffiliated/dedhed) joined ##slackware. [19:34] mancha: So superior it doesn't even speak the same lingo. [19:34] mancha: Chez Scheme. [19:34] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:34] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-80-29.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [19:35] alienBOB: I would appreciate some help, because Symphony is a little interesting to me, and I'm unwilling to move away from Slackware64 just to get it. I do have multilib installed though. [19:35] arcfide: they are probably required for Notes [19:35] Hrm, I would like to dump multilib though. [19:35] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.22.28) joined ##slackware. [19:35] arcfide: with all the 32bit binaries, you will need multilib on Slackware64 [19:36] alienBOB: Does Symphony use a lot of 32-bit binaries? [19:36] It seemed to use mostly Java, to me. [19:36] alienBOB: Well, anyways, I'll keep it around. [19:37] wait a minute, scheme's interp! [19:37] mancha: I'm a Scheme developer, so I have a nice Scheme compiler, and it's fast. :-) [19:37] compiles to what [19:37] mancha: Oh, how little people know about Scheme. ;-) [19:37] ? [19:37] mancha: Native code. [19:37] Akuma (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:37] This is what I used to fulfill the Notes dependencies at least: http://slackware.com/~alien/gnome_ibm/gnome_ibm.sqf [19:37] mancha: Scheme is among the fastest of the "Ultra High-level" languages. [19:38] it should stay scriptable... :) [19:38] mancha: Of course it is. :-) [19:38] who are the primary business clients btw? wanna get a sense of what kind of devs gravitate to scheme [19:39] or at least what areas, no need for names [19:39] mancha: I do a lot of medium to small business stuff, but right now I'm in research and academics. I've also done some interfaces for a few non-profits, and I know that big companies use it behind the seens, or have. [19:39] There's a game shop that works with it to. [19:39] arcfide: I'll show you the symlink that starts Symphony (the embedded Notes plugin): [19:39] Embedded stuff. [19:40] $ ls -l /usr/bin/notesdocuments [19:40] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 150 2009-11-01 23:04 /usr/bin/notesdocuments -> /opt/ibm/lotus/notes/framework/shared/eclipse/plugins/com.ibm.productivity.tools.notes.launcher.linux.x86_1.5.0.20090922-1655/Lotus\ Symphony\ Documents* [19:40] alienBOB: Hehe, that would be nice. Actually, I don't understand what the post-install is doing at all. [19:40] arcfide: O I know what the postinstall does. But, especially the pre-install scriptlet is causing me headaches in trying to catch that into a SlackBuild [19:40] Hrm... [19:41] So in the end I just used rpm --nodeps to install the three RPMs [19:41] alienBOB: Well, so, I don't have an eclipse/plugins directly, but just an eclipse/diho directory. [19:41] alienBOB: The RPMs don't seem to work. [19:41] arcfide: that is because you are using another version entirely [19:42] arcfide: the RPMs work here. What does not work for you?/////// [19:42] interesting....academic circles i understand...the gaming industry caught me by surprise... [19:42] That's what I've been trying to figure out. [19:42] mancha: Let's see if I can find the game. [19:42] I even got the nice menu entries [19:42] Hrm... [19:42] alienBOB: Let me see if I can get you some information. [19:43] mancha: [19:43] Action: icarus_ wonders who did mono/monodevelop packaging and whether or not he should donate them a book on build scripts or something [19:43] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [19:43] mancha: They're a Scheme shop. I think Disney and Motorola both use Scheme as well. [19:44] mancha: And there are a lot of other clients that you don't hear about. :-) [19:44] arc, cool beans, thanks for te link, gonna surf a bit now thouhg their site [19:45] mattallmill (n=mattallm@ip98-186-163-10.ks.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:45] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.43.223) joined ##slackware. [19:46] arcfide: omg, you read scheme ? It looks so very ugly o_O (reading the wikipedia page with examples) [19:46] icarus_: I do more than read, it's my native language. [19:46] Anything else looks nasty and ugly to me. [19:47] arcfide: It looks like someone dropped 500 parenthesis' and decided to just let them stay. [19:47] alienBOB: If you want I can send you the logs, but I don't know what should happen after I install. [19:48] icarus_: Parentheses and nice, regular syntax, that's simple and easy to read, once you realize that you don't really have to look at parentheses except as nice curvy decoration. [19:48] mako (n=mako@81.22.24.33) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:49] The log identifies the JVM as DesktopEE, it creates .link and .ini files, it runs a provisioner, which supposedly succeeds, and then it says that it is enabling the lapinvoker, and then it ends. [19:49] RJz0r (n=wafflez@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [19:50] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.2.23) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:52] guys can someone help me by something else, I can't read the menu on OOo, picasa, wine, ...! anti alising? [19:52] sirslacker: What do you mean you can't read it? [19:52] THis could be an issue with your fonts in GTK. [19:53] wait I send link! [19:53] http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/download/file.php?id=2193&sid=a638245a43a362f91936c125eae6734e&mode=view [19:54] but the icons too! [19:54] Weird. [19:54] Now that, I have no idea. Did you install it to a strange place? Maybe it can't find the information for which it is looking. [19:55] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Connection timed out [19:56] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:56] I did one, I installed an old version of itunes! and after that, wine crashed totally, and fonts and icons gone, on picasa, wine, OOo! [19:56] o_o [19:57] cteg (n=heretic@dyndsl-091-096-105-084.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:57] Ahahaha! [19:57] I may have made progress, on symphony, but it is time to eat. [19:58] haha, I hope you come back with good news about symphony! [19:58] bone appetit [20:02] cteg (n=heretic@dyndsl-091-096-105-084.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [20:03] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:05] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-80-29.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. 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[20:33] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:33] However, I did find rcplauncher, and I played with that. [20:34] Running it without arguments gives me an error about not finding the application. [20:34] I deleted my .lotus directory, though, and tried again, at which point I was presented with a License agreement, and from there, it failed saying that no application id has been found. [20:35] does fglrx work in -current thses days? [20:35] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:35] NaCl: I was able to install it successfully in 13.0 64. [20:35] the kernel and x.org hasn't changed in -current, so it should [20:35] NaCl: It causes some problems with my switchable graphics, but if I stick to using ATI, it works. [20:36] cool. [20:36] meh, I'm up to patching some 15 files or something in regards to building mono/monodevelop and friends.. [20:36] icarus_, the one on slackbuilds.org just uses --libdir, and that's it [20:38] thrice`: yea but I'm beginning to think he omitted an error that won't really affect him. See there's a bunch of .pc files which reside in pkgconfig and they point to libraries. I found one such buggy pc file which didn't like the --libdir switch in the mono package itself, But it was for mono-cairo.pc and since his mono package was just for cli-stuff, this bug will never show up [20:38] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Client Quit [20:40] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@93.107.153.212) joined ##slackware. [20:43] my problem is exactly that. The build scripts for mono/monodevelop and friends are really surprisingly messy. I have no knowledge of makefiles and such, or even how the pc files are generated so I just patch it post-compile and move on. 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[21:02] Nick change: davi` -> cybErpunk [21:12] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:1b3) left irc: "Leaving" [21:13] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [21:15] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:16] good evening everyone [21:16] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [21:17] YYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS. *we* *are* *....one* (got Monodevelop installed and working) [21:18] congrats [21:18] hi mfillpot [21:18] hey deco [21:18] what did you do about the missing .so? [21:18] mancha: I completely ignored it as it's not strictly needed for monodevelop to run [21:19] mancha: If I had wanted to. I could install it somewhere and point to it by setting the MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME variable. But I can't see why I'd want to [21:20] i am taking up a collection...btw [21:20] mancha: what does that mean ? [21:21] raising money to pay for a "how to design a website for those who can actually see" for the noscript dev [21:21] have you seen his page? it is like the html equivalent of pepper spray. his product is good, his site sucks. [21:21] So, it appears that there is a symphony binary under lock in key. [21:21] But it doesn't do anything. [21:22] mancha: nope, I haven't. Link ? Sounds like good fun [21:22] http://noscript.net/ [21:22] mancha: it's got.. charm ? [21:23] raela (n=raela@c-76-100-139-184.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:23] alienBOB: Where are you!? You've a floundering musician here! *gurgle* *glug* *sputter* :-) [21:23] seriously though, the most disturbing part of the site are all those damn advertisements. I doubt you can get him to remove them [21:26] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-56-113.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:29] raela (n=raela@c-76-100-139-184.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:53] I got tired of using pre-compiled packages a long time ago [21:54] StevenR (n=foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:56] apn: have you tried sbopkg? [22:00] harksaw (n=sharcle@71-85-9-059.dhcp.buft.sc.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:01] "tired" ... -j5 plays the game [22:02] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [22:05] arghh2d2 (n=arghh2d2@cpe-98-30-113-178.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:05] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Client Quit [22:07] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [22:08] Does anybody know if there's a way to pipe the now playing track from mpd to xterm/rxvt's titlebar? I thought i had that set up once but i couldnt find anything thru google. [22:10] mfillpot: yes, but I like slapt-get [22:11] slapt-get isn't too bad as long as you just use it with official mirrors. Once you add other stuff in, your bets are off. [22:11] apn: I used to use slapt-get with various mirrors but I encountered too many instabilities with precompiled packages so I eventually dropped them [22:11] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:11] mfillpot: I use slapt for my own packages and people I know. Together we got quite a collection. [22:12] that is a good policy [22:12] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:14] this sbopkg is quite freebsd [22:14] ish [22:14] yes it is, but by default it is set to use trusted build scripts [22:15] does anyone knows why linuxpackages.net doesn't work anymore? [22:16] apn: what mirror are you using? [22:17] mfillpot: it was a site were you could download binary packages [22:17] mfillpot: just the website. they don't have any 13.0 packages [22:17] s/were/where [22:17] I used to use them back in the days [22:18] that is wierd that thye don't have any 13.0 packages listed [22:18] apn: it's been down for weeks [22:18] good [22:19] pattwo (n=pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware. [22:19] are the packages showing when you setup a mirror in slapt-get? [22:19] mfillpot: you cant setup a mirror [22:19] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-135-206.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] I don't use slapt-get outside of my trustees [22:20] mfillpot: it's just a web interface [22:20] deco: you could, probably you still can. [22:20] oh [22:20] hmmm but it's dead really [22:20] hopefully [22:20] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-135-206.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:20] you don't like it too much, do you ;-) [22:21] apn: no because they included some code that would whipe all your hdd [22:21] deco: who did that? [22:22] mfillpot: the guys running the site [22:22] deco: was it in a pre-compiled package? [22:22] mfillpot: yes, let me try to find the link [22:23] mfillpot: apn http://slackadelic.com/2007/04/11/linuxpackagesnet-intentionally-malicious/ [22:25] deco: lol [22:27] I like their warning, but yeah with that kind of an attitude I will remain cautious when choosing packages and tools to run on my system. [22:30] True [22:31] arghh2d2 (n=arghh2d2@cpe-98-30-113-178.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [22:35] Hmm, this is odd [22:35] glibconfig.h is nowhere to be found on my system, I removed glib after about an hour configuring things, and reinstalled, its still nowhere. [22:35] and especially not in /usr/include/glib or /usr/lib/glib [22:36] smica (n=smica@h128-254.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: "Távozom" [22:37] fatalnix-: are you using the official slackware supplied package of glib? [22:37] ok, glib is the most commonly misunderstood term. you mean the glib 1 & 2 libs, not the C stuff, right? [22:37] yes. [22:37] glibconfig.h should be in the /usr/lib/../include dirs [22:38] provided by glib and glib2, respectively [22:38] glib-1.2.10-x86_64-3:usr/lib64/glib/include/glibconfig.h [22:38] I'm trying to compile something that requires it, and I found someone with the ame issue with slackware 10.2 and fixed the include paths, but it still complains. [22:38] glib2-2.18.4-x86_64-1:usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include/glibconfig.h [22:38] fatalnix-: what version of slackware are you using? [22:38] 13 [22:39] 32 or 64 bit? [22:39] 32 [22:39] ok, you say you installed the glib packages and no header? pics or it didn't happen [22:39] hmm, hold on I think I found it, maybe the reinstallation did fix it [22:39] I see no reason at all why it wouldn't be included if you used the official packages [22:39] I figured I broke it [22:40] when i ask for pics, all gets magically fixed! [22:40] sluttyduck (n=slut@74.83.190.80) joined ##slackware. [22:40] lol [22:40] mancha: I have noticed that a few times [22:40] mfill, yep, it works every time... [22:40] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:41] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [22:42] bennymack (n=ben@cpe-72-231-198-162.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:42] omg, after all of this, code errors [22:42] XD [22:43] oh yeah, theres a patch for this.. [22:45] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [22:45] apn_ (n=apn@12.34.13.132) joined ##slackware. [22:45] apn_ (n=apn@12.34.13.132) left ##slackware. [22:47] more errors dont you just like compiling weird stuff? [22:47] i have a general POSIX question, not specific to slackware so much. But I just verified that I can't mmap an arbitrarily large file. I would have thought that it would work because (I thought) it just caches the most recently accessed parts of the file. I mean, it's backed by a file after all.. [22:48] Anyone have any reading I can do or other explanations? [22:49] ^^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4JyczDRNeA [22:49] somehow I managed to get it to compile but with all ofthe warnings I dont thing it liked it. [22:50] fatalnix-: what are you trying to compile? [22:53] urthwrm_ (n=hooch@124-170-224-88.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. 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[23:22] like frontpage/dreamweaver. [23:22] nano [23:22] Action: Dominian ducks [23:22] :< [23:22] bluefish might work [23:22] just learn html [23:22] mmm *downloads to seE* [23:22] takes just a couple of days [23:22] always deco with the cleva responce. [23:22] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [23:22] acidchild: well it's true :P [23:23] acidchild: css is the onlly tricky one [23:23] what if we dont have a couple of days? [23:23] only& [23:23] what if we have 2hours? [23:23] acidchild: you're gonna produce crappy htm then [23:23] yep [23:23] html* [23:23] simple to the point. [23:23] Dominian: how goes? [23:23] you know what nachox wanted earlyer? [23:24] no idea [23:24] acidchild: and it goes fine :) [23:24] acidchild: how about you? [23:24] Action: Dominian was testing kvm the other night [23:24] dunno if I like it or not [23:25] i'm doing alrite... [23:25] thankie. 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[23:53] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:53] it should help to keep some true noobs out [23:54] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:55] nice addition - but how many people _really_ read the topic? :) [23:55] It won't help keep a true noob about because a true noob won't read it [23:55] alisonken1home: three so far ;) [23:55] hah [23:59] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] lol [23:59] wotch andarius :) [23:59] greetings and salutations [23:59] wotcha BP{k} :) [23:59] it has been very quiet in here today, so it seems to be working [00:00] --- Sun Dec 20 2009