[00:00] about october I think [00:00] a few months back [00:00] Phase403: see slackware.com/ [00:00] and good evening fellow slackers :) [00:00] Phase403: Wed Aug 26 10:00:38 CDT 2009 [00:00] howdy slackmagic :) [00:00] hi slackmagic [00:00] How stable is Slackware? [00:00] it's been a while BP{k} [00:00] Last time I compiled KDE was on a 500 MHz K6-2/512M - took days not hours :) [00:00] Phase403, very stable [00:00] Phase403: Slackware releases approximately twice a year [00:00] i just idle in here it seems hehe [00:00] Phase403: i runj two vps servers using slackware [00:01] slackmagic: indeed. How have you been? [00:01] Are they any good Dominian ? [00:01] Action: BP{k} runs 2 desktops, 1 lapto and one vps server running various versions of Slackware. [00:01] and how big are the package repos? [00:01] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-59-177.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [00:01] Phase403: slackbuilds.org is what you will be seeking for third party apps [00:01] Phase403: what type of apps are you seeking? [00:01] ah k [00:01] apache, xchat, eggdrop etc etc [00:02] there are plenty included with the distribution [00:02] mysql, php [00:02] ahh eggdrop doesn't come with it [00:02] apache xchat mysql php do [00:02] Phase403: included [00:02] I think eggdrpop is on SBo though [00:02] reboot time.. brb [00:02] Dominian: nope. [00:02] BP{k}: ah not too bad. life's good and with nothing breaking with slackware, things are even better! [00:02] Phase403: there is also: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ and http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/ for packages. [00:03] How long will KDE take to compile on a AMD Athlon64Bit 4800+ with 4Gigs of ram ? [00:03] Phase403: hours, not days hehe [00:03] Lol. [00:03] Phase403, you that slackware comes with kde right? [00:03] Phase403: Is there a reason you want to compile KDE? [00:03] Not really. [00:03] no need to compile it unless you a dead set on the latest [00:04] Can someone point me to an Australian Download server for slackware with kde on it [00:04] Phase403: admit it, you just wanna play with all those plasmoids or whatyamacall it? :) [00:04] slackware.com and click get slack on the left [00:04] then choose a mirroe [00:04] mirror [00:05] How old is Slackware [00:05] About 30 years? [00:05] closer to 20, almost as old as Linux [00:05] Ah. [00:06] Initial release: 16 July 1993 [00:06] there you go :) [00:06] 17 years? [00:06] Nice. [00:06] FreeBSD = 30 years or so. [00:06] nope, FreeBSD is also abot 20 [00:07] the OS it's based off is older though [00:07] Ah [00:07] FreeBSD's development began in 1993 with a quickly growing, unofficial patchkit maintained by users of the 386BSD operating system. [00:07] http://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/slackware/slackware-13.0/isolinux/ -- Odd there is no ISO's in there. [00:07] dilbert (~dilbert@cpe-071-071-092-030.triad.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:07] Phase403: most mirrors don't carry the isos these days ti seems. [00:08] http://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/ [00:08] for 32 bit [00:08] Man look @ at all the ISO's needed. [00:08] ah well spotted dive. :) [00:08] http://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/slackware/slackware64-13.0-iso/ 64 bit [00:08] Isn't there like a freaking net install ? [00:08] Or a dvd version? [00:08] Phase403: you only need CD's 1-3. CD's 4-6 will contain extra and the source. [00:08] the dvd is in there [00:09] I don't see it [00:09] no sorry they don't have it [00:09] Yeah. [00:09] :| [00:09] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [00:09] you can do a net install though [00:09] with just 1 cd [00:10] DAMN I hate cheap computer chairs, this crap is so woubly I've tried screwing it in more with the allen keys but it just keeps comming loose [00:10] ugh [00:10] How long does java take to compile? [00:10] compile java? [00:10] Why do you think you need to/be able to compile java? [00:10] or install [00:10] install .. 5 seconds. [it's included in Slackware] [00:10] Ah. [00:11] Phase403: if you need the jdk it is in extra [00:11] Phase403, ftp://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso [00:12] 25kb/second out of 3.7GIG hah not happening. [00:12] That blows. [00:12] The mirrors list may need updating - I can't connect to any of the Canadaian mirrors :( USherbrook used to be very fast [00:12] NyteOwl: http://alphageek.dyndns.org/linux/slackware-mirrors.shtml is more reliable as a mirror list. [00:12] you might have good results with the torrent [00:12] NyteOwl, it does. There a few UK mirrors that don't exist anymore. [00:12] I wonder why there is no support servers for NewZealand either! HMM! [00:12] Lol [00:13] Phase403, find someone tere willing to donate some disk space and bandwidth. Universities are often willing [00:14] maybe you need to speak to spook. He's in australia [00:14] he might know some good servers. [00:14] http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/ [00:14] Good but no DVD version, again. [00:15] dilbert (~dilbert@cpe-071-071-092-030.triad.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:15] Phase403: I would just use the torrent [00:16] Gimmie link [00:16] I know there are a few fat pipes hooked up to it [00:16] slackware.com gives you the link [00:16] Phase403: http://slackware.dreamhost.com/slackware/iso/slackware-13.0-dvd.iso [00:17] That's slow as hell oo [00:17] too [00:17] Lol [00:17] 20.5 KB/second. [00:17] Probably distance. [00:17] Phase403: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php [00:17] another: http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso [00:17] I'm there. [00:18] 15.5KB/second NyteOwl Lol. [00:18] Torrent time! [00:18] ah well :) [00:18] br [00:18] brb [00:19] Phase403` (~Phase403@125-238-199-114.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [00:19] Boo [00:19] I'm back. [00:21] Even the torrent is slow, [00:21] Yet on a debian download I get 1.3MB/second [00:21] :| [00:21] ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso [00:21] xdan779 (~daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:23] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [00:23] Phase403 (~Phase403@125-238-238-77.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [00:23] 1.3MB/s is slow? [00:23] oh misread.. [00:23] O.o [00:24] Hey, I don't want to hear that shit. I'm on dial up... to me, 10KB/s is hauling ass to me. [00:24] Lol. [00:24] 4.8KB/second on ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso LOL. [00:24] Do they all just suck ? Or is it the fact they are half way around the other side of the world or both? [00:25] anyway -bbiab [00:25] NyteOwl (sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: Molon Labe [00:26] yeah. lol. I really would like to snag the ati radeon binary drivers from ATI's website but 80MB will take about 18 hours assuming dialup would stay up log enough not to end the down load [00:26] s/log/long [00:28] Cann0n, wget -c [00:29] Phase403`, what do you get for this: http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso [00:29] 0bytes. [00:29] Lol. [00:29] Hasn't even started. [00:30] Damn, everyone who supports Slackware must BE MILES and MILES away from me [00:30] oh well. [00:30] lol i'm compiling a kernel right now. I'll try it in a second [00:30] 8.9kb/second dive. [00:30] im sure it's probably 6 weeks [00:30] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:31] Phase403`: you on dial up too? [00:31] Nope. [00:31] Broadband, 1.3MB/second. [00:31] where you live at? [00:31] lucky [00:31] NewZealand. [00:31] Telecom-Xtra. [00:32] Phase403`, ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/slackware [00:32] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [00:32] oobe (~none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:32] ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/ -- NO ISO's. [00:33] make one from what is there ^^ [00:33] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.198.6) joined ##slackware. [00:33] p419 (~p419@85.26.183.77) joined ##slackware. [00:34] Action: alreadygone waves [00:34] I suck at that. [00:34] Anyway I'm off to bed [00:34] Take care all! [00:34] :) [00:34] Laters thanks for the help. [00:34] Phase403` (Phase403@125-238-199-114.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:35] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [00:35] back [00:36] oobe (~none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [00:42] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:42] oobe, how is your hard disk problem? fixed? [00:43] ? [00:43] i had a problem after a random shutdown and my filesystem of / was screwed [00:43] so i ran fsck to fix it [00:43] it worked but i was asking in here about how to tell if i had bad sectors [00:43] aah [00:44] i havent got round to testing it though [00:44] why do you ask that was a while ago in irc time anyway [00:44] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:44] just remembered... [00:45] about it so I asked [00:45] oh ok [00:45] i remember ur issue too [00:45] :) [00:45] did you get that fixed [00:46] i am curious what was coursing your resolv.conf to fill up with erroneous shite [00:46] turned off dhcp server, now resolv.conf does not get changed now [00:46] oh ok [00:46] artveee_ (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [00:47] i guess you didnt need dhcp running in the first place [00:47] nope [00:47] most common setups dont [00:47] but I share internet connection with another pc and I thought rc.dnsmasq was needed [00:47] i could not guess what was causing that [00:48] it is if ur sharing the connection from ur pc [00:48] I am sharing it from my pc [00:48] unless you write ur own custom script [00:48] yea that is needed but i dont use it i have a script i have always used no matter what distro im using [00:49] so i cant say how to set it up [00:49] a script about IP Masquerading? [00:51] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:51] yes its very basic [00:51] alison ken 1, told me alreadygone: unless you're running a lan where each computer needs tcp access to each other, [00:51] just set everyone's /etc/resolv to public dns servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 for google, 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 for public dns) and forget the dnsmasq [00:51] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [00:52] I have this in my rc.local may be you are referring to this... [00:52] alreadygone, that would work [00:52] http://www.pastie.org/832254 [00:53] alreadygone, yea similar [00:53] :) I hope it'll work.... I'll see when the other PC is turned on... [00:54] now, back to work! :) [00:54] ok [00:56] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC30AB2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:56] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [00:58] I wonder how many people OUTSIDE GTE's network use 4.2.2.1-6 for DNS :) [00:58] gm152_ (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:00] until google got theirs online, I used it for several years and I've never been on GTE's network [01:00] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:00] latemus (~m@c-76-27-42-241.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:00] how can you bring a background process to the foreground ? [01:01] alisonken1noc: they've been in use for a very long time (though it's usually considered bad manners to use someone elese server for day to day use). That said they are quite reliable [01:01] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [01:01] I've used UC Berkeley's DNS servers on occasion [01:01] p419 (~p419@85.26.183.77) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:01] latemus, type 'fg' [01:02] hha ha.. thank you dive [01:02] np [01:02] anyone using OpenDNS? [01:02] I tried it for 5 mins [01:02] found it slow [01:03] NyteOwl: actually, I read that 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 were the public dns servers, not specific to GTE [01:03] that's why I used them [01:04] i got someone from 75.84.104.223 synflooding a client's server [01:04] is opendns the one that resolves unknown addresses to their own web servers instead of returning NXDOMAIN errors? [01:04] alisonken1noc: They belong to GTE but they have let them be acessible to the public [01:04] I don't think so [01:04] Urchlay ^^ [01:04] i'm dropping their packets but in the past 5 mins they've still sent: [01:04] pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination [01:04] 17561 843K DROP all -- * * 75.84.104.223 0.0.0.0/0 [01:05] someone in here was having problems with that, some nonstandard DNS service that was doing that [01:05] 223.104.84.75.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer cpe-75-84-104-223.socal.res.rr.com [01:05] interesting - somebody's windows bot? [01:06] socal = southern california it looks like. Your neighbor? [01:06] no, its not me personally [01:06] this general area [01:06] but could be in san diego [01:06] oic [01:07] I had a research bot from a UK university hit my bot trap this week. the info page on the U's site says it obeys all robots.txt and control statements and ignores images etc. I call BS on that or it wouldn't have fallen into my bot trap [01:07] geoip says its in moreno valley [01:07] drive over there, put the boots to him, jay & silent bob style? [01:08] moreno valley is about 30 miles east of my house [01:08] that would take a long time [01:08] s/drive/fly/ :) [01:08] and I'm in downtown LA right now [01:08] Skywise: geoip tells me I'm in a city 300 miles away :) [01:09] well, its gots its margins of error [01:09] namely its where your isp offices are generally [01:09] mattallmill (~mattallmi@ip68-103-163-24.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [01:09] on other occasions it has told me I'm on the other side of the continent :) [01:09] it got the right side of the planet [01:09] give it some credit [01:09] true enough lol [01:10] I think a lot of its accuracy is implenmentation dependant [01:10] different sites return different results [01:10] and people don't fill out innernet applications for service honestly all the time [01:11] Hey at least this site got me in the right Country and Province :) [01:11] maybe it figures it out close enough that he's in the blast radius, if you nuke the geoip location from orbit [01:11] lol [01:11] i would love too, but its out of my budget [01:11] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:11] i'll see if theres any discount death sats on ebay [01:12] 300 miles would be quite a blast radius [01:12] yeah, there might be some backlash [01:13] and i'd prolly need a namebrand death sat [01:13] With that radius you could take out this whole province, PEI, part of new brunswick and Sable Island. The waves on the Grand and Georges banks would be immense [01:13] 300 miles from the epicenter would at least give him cancer [01:14] elreg had an article that after a sample audit, it was guestimated that 77% of domain registrations stuffed with rubbish http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/17/domain_name_problems/ [01:14] pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination [01:14] 42369 2034K DROP all -- * * 75.84.104.223 0.0.0.0/0 [01:14] wonder how much of that also aligns with ip info [01:14] thats been about another 10 mins [01:15] and since its a synflood, i can't really know if the packets are from there [01:15] and the guy won't even notice his packets are getting dropped cause they're not planning on replying [01:16] acidtripper (~gonza@190.193.18.19) left irc: Quit: I'm Leaving guys! see you soon... [01:17] Axius (~fd@92.84.23.137) joined ##slackware. [01:17] [01:17] cat got your tongue? [01:18] or is this the silent treatment? [01:18] maybe his text is the same color as your background [01:18] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-222-187.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:18] transparent? [01:18] well i said maybe [01:19] not sure colours work in here [01:19] thats just a little less plausible [01:19] he didn't say anything [01:19] [01:19] test [01:19] [01:19] [01:19] [01:19] ? [01:19] StevenR (~foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [01:20] if you can't read this, your IRC client sucks [01:20] hehe [01:20] sure [01:20] let's see if the bot kicks people for typing in color [01:21] it's a channel mode [01:21] er, in color [01:21] you go first Urchlay [01:21] by default colour is off [01:21] irssi ftw [01:21] I already tried it bla [01:21] StevenR (~foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:22] i bet that 'bla' isn't green [01:22] Cann0n: I wish there were an easy way to turn off color for regular channel/msg text in irssi *without* turning off colors in text printed locally by irssi scripts [01:23] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E26F2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [01:23] OK [01:23] dive: no, but this one is: bla [01:23] [01:24] NyteOwl, you type like a redhat boot up message [01:24] I never had issues with irssi except when using transparent terminals [01:24] dive: thank you - I didn't think I typed that well :p [01:24] lol [01:24] lmao [01:24] hm, does everybody's terminal beep if I embed a bunch of ASCII BEL characters? [01:24] dunno try it [01:24] bashing on redhat [ Ok ] [01:25] I disconnected my pc speaker years ago [01:25] I just did, there were about 7 of them in between the words I just typed [01:25] oh yeah, you can type colors and your password [01:25] cooking pizza [ Ok ] [01:25] i didn't see any colors yet [01:25] fakers [01:25] lol [01:25] pizza sounds about right [01:25] i don't even know how to do colors in irssi [01:25] I haven't seen any colors from anyone but me. Maybe the server's stripping them out? [01:26] Urchlay, the channel is set not to print colours [01:26] so yes they get stripped [01:26] oh is that one of the channel modes? [01:26] yes [01:26] its hard to keep up with all them letters [01:26] right, and my own text is getting printed locally so I see them there and nowhere else [01:26] I forget which though [01:26] i'd guess c [01:26] Urchlay, yes [01:27] it's probably also stripping the ^G (bell character) codes [01:27] I would think so [01:27] that the "Sup G" code? [01:27] i wonder if it strips ath codes [01:27] :) [01:27] +++ATH0 [01:28] i was gonna type some, but then i remembered there are guys on dialup here and it would be mean [01:28] like that [01:28] Action: Urchlay has quit IRC (Disconnected) [01:28] lol [01:28] lol [01:28] ATDT71*3216773 ADQ2&AT1 [01:28] can't even dial out here.... bleh [01:29] My dial-up modem won't accept command codes from the outboard side unless you are logged into the admin interface [01:29] modems don't interpret the +++ escape string in incoming data anyway, unless maybe they're horribly broken modems designed by morons [01:29] yeah thats cause its encapsulated in a tcp/ip packet [01:29] Urchlay: slike a winmodem? [01:29] yeah it works, thats how terminals can remotely disconnect [01:29] among others [01:29] eh, you have a dialup modem that has an admin interface that you log into? [01:30] i use wvdial, so no. lol. [01:30] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:30] my modem is usb. [01:30] yuck [01:30] Urchlay: two actually. One is an old Security Modem from Lockheed/GETex and the other is a US Robotics V.Everything. They both have remote admin and security feature sets [01:30] yeah, but it works find. I can get the max baud rate out of it. [01:31] bojolski (~admijoel@107.116.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [01:31] I haven't tried the remotely hang-up my two PCI modems [01:31] Those boxe4s aren't conencted to phone lines a the moment anyway [01:31] NyteOwl: weird. I'm used to modems just being plain old hayes compatible, as far as the command set goes [01:32] i hate dial up.... [01:32] didn't know anyone had ever made a modem with a login interface built right in [01:32] it's not that bad, but no one uses landlines anymore [01:32] people have done all sorts of bad things [01:32] Urchlay: the US Robotics is an extended Hayes command set with some security features added [01:32] bojolski (admijoel@107.116.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left ##slackware. [01:32] you know i do, its funny, i still have a fax line [01:32] lol [01:33] and just today i had a 2 line conf call on it [01:33] the Lockheed is a proprietary. It's a great modem and handles noisey phone line well too. It can even be used to turn on and off remote machines Its only drawback is that it's only 1200bps :) [01:33] its been so long i had to download the manual for my phone to see how [01:33] I still have an old western electric rotary dial phone, weighs a ton, has a sticker with FBI logo and "This line is not secure" [01:33] lol [01:33] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:34] but, eh, not had anything to plug it into in years [01:34] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [01:34] lol [01:34] the phone on the wall in the kitchen and darkroom are both rotary dials :) [01:34] i have a siemens gigaset 8825 2 line 2.4ghz wireless phone with base station [01:34] its an answering machine too [01:34] packeteer (~zed@203.36.227.227) left irc: Quit: restarting [01:35] I wish payphone technology was different [01:35] packeteer (~zed@203.36.227.227) joined ##slackware. [01:35] not many 2 like cordless land line phones on the market [01:35] 2 line [01:35] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-210-128.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [01:35] you can *still* do the old manual dialling trick on landlines (click the switchhook 1 to 9 times or 10 times for a zero) [01:35] back when it was easy to get free cals [01:35] Skywise. Panasonic make one, and I think Motorola [01:35] tell you what, i will NEVER answer a payphone [01:35] again... [01:36] i also have a plain single line phone as a back up [01:36] spent many hours working somewhere that had a phone without a dial, that was the only way to call out (including calling 911 if necessary!) [01:36] about had my ass kicked for it [01:36] did you think it was for you? [01:36] Action: NyteOwl picks up the payphone DUffy's Tavern, Duffy ain't in [01:36] Cann0n: what, you answered a payphone and some guy jumped out of the shadows he'd been lurking in and started beating you up? [01:37] walking to the store with some friends and a payphone rang. I answered it and some chick thought it was this big black guys cell phone. i said no it was a pay phone... [01:37] 3 minutes later, big black guy comes out of the store and boy was he pissed [01:37] oh noes, you busted his cover [01:37] lucky you found a payphone that will even ring... eh, actually, lucky you found a payphone at all, this century [01:37] lol [01:37] Axius (~fd@92.84.23.137) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:37] I was like 15 and he threatened to beat my ass. [01:37] this dude was like 30. [01:38] its not your fault the guy is so lame he can't afford a pay as you go cell [01:38] he chased me and my friends, but i din't run. my friends did. [01:38] LOL [01:38] so lame he lies to try to impress girls, and gets pissed off when he fails [01:38] yeah, like she wasn't gonna notice he didn't have one in person [01:39] yep. i aboutt reported him to his manager. he workeid at the store i was walking too. theratening children is not a mainly thing to do. [01:39] or maybe he has a dummy he carries around just in case [01:39] LOL [01:39] ROFL [01:39] yeah, probably. [01:39] sheesh [01:39] probably sold a 10 peice for it. (crack joke) [01:39] what's he do when he goes home [01:40] take the pay phone with him? or does he he live there too [01:40] Skywise: he doesn't get reception in his govt housing. [01:40] at least thats what he tells people. lol [01:40] Axius (~fd@92.84.23.137) joined ##slackware. [01:40] xdan779 (~daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [01:41] I am glad I still have pot service. [01:41] brb. gonna test how this kernel script panned out [01:41] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [01:41] it only costs me $40/mo for everything [01:41] 2 lines and all the services [01:41] and i don't use long distance on it [01:42] my cell costs me $100 for 2 lines for 1450 rollover minutes [01:42] pot here includes domestic long distance [01:43] If I need to make a call out of country the calling cards at the gas station down the street are a good deal [01:43] i get free long distance on my cell, so theres no point in paying for it on my landline [01:43] and my cell is unlocked, so can put in a sim like that if i need [01:43] its a gsm phone [01:44] Skywise: I have had the same land-line number for over 30 years so I keep it, it is at a bargain price too. [01:44] it helps your credit score alot too [01:45] artveee_ (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [01:45] since its gsm, i can use codes to change the voicemail number to my landline, so i don't have to make a call to check it [01:46] Skywise: that is nice, I use att which uses gsm, I should learn some tricks like that [01:46] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [01:46] http://www.cellular.co.za/gsm_hash_code.htm [01:47] took longer to get dial up working than it did to boot my new kernel [01:47] and i changed it to ring for 30 secs before forwarding to voicemail [01:47] I have not used dialup since 1998 [01:47] ok - FF3.5 opens new tabs to the right of current tabs. 3.6 opens them to the right of the active tab but to the left of the next tab over moving all tabs to the right [01:47] oi vewy [01:47] Camarade_Tux: re gnutella, no, but it's been used once or twice in the five years I've lived here, so I keep the port forwards in place just in case my wife decides to do so [01:48] brb. gonna test now changes to my pppsetup.txt [01:48] Caramuru (~caramuru@187.36.136.19) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [01:48] brokedown: I do at the summer cottage - no broadband available and wireless is too $$$ [01:48] enmodal (~matt@99-60-72-168.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [01:49] NyteOwl: summer cottage implies not caring so much about bandwidth to me [01:49] brokedown: true enough. Mostly for e-mail and soem casual browsing on a rainy day :) [01:49] NyteOwl: I picture fishing all day [01:50] brokedown: easy to do - there is a nice pond about 15 feet from the cottage and the lake is another 30 feet beyond that :) [01:50] and a trout brook that runs down the miountain behind [01:50] Cann0n_ (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [01:51] man... i gotta do too much to get dial up working [01:51] NyteOwl: sounds really nice [01:51] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-38-85.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:51] have to ln -s my modem to /dev/modem, run pppd /dev/ttyACM0, then wvdial [01:52] Shouldn't be a need for the link [01:52] Cann0n: I gave up trying to get Slack 13 to work with my softmodem. 10 and 12 worked great 13 was a PITA [01:52] (if you're going to specify the ttyACM0 name) [01:52] rworkman: i know. lol [01:52] works ok with hardware modem - nomdriver needed [01:52] i should try netconfig [01:52] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:52] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [01:53] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [01:54] how can I verify if a process is running under a specified group? for the user it's easy with ps u, but what about hte group? [01:55] man ps - check the G option [01:55] wow, watching the skeleton events on the winter olympics, just like luge but head first, crazy [01:56] yeah, it should be called the broken neck instead [01:56] at least you meet your maker fast I guess [01:56] that luger did [01:56] that impact was fierce [01:56] rworkman: what method would you suggest for dialing out? [01:57] Skywise: they act like a little padding would help on those pillers, at 90mph not much will help [01:57] they haven't said what killed him, but i'm willing to bet it was a basal skull fracture [01:58] like dale earnhardt was killed [01:58] they should be using a hans device [01:58] Skywise: that is why I would probably prefer to be going head first like the skeleton event, instant death [01:58] i think he might be injured but still alive if he was facing the post [01:59] Cann0n_: I always had an init script that ran pppd [01:59] oh it needed numeic [01:59] I about about pass out [01:59] mishehu: in what context? [02:00] I've mounted a dvd image with dd and I see this slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso. how to open the file inside that dvd? [02:00] i'm gonna try pppsetup again [02:00] you know i do really hate the nbc coverage of the olympics, they spend all the time on these pompus puffed up human intrest stories and skip showing the sports [02:00] Well, I'm gonna try sleep. 0100 here :/ [02:00] it makes me gnash my teeth [02:00] Axius: did you burn the image to disk or did you just burn the iso as data? [02:00] night rworkman [02:01] Skywise: I agree to some extent, I heard there is a "world feed" that shows 6 streams of uncomentated coverage [02:01] brokedown: ps -G numeric_gid [02:01] as data it seems. that dvd it does not boot. [02:01] oh man, i wish i could find it [02:01] just needed to verify that an app I'm launching with daemontools using setuidgid actually set the group too [02:01] Skywise: I was unable to acess the world feed from the USA [02:02] oh [02:02] they had red, white and blue channels last time, and that was terrible you could never find a sport you wanted to see or they all came on at the same time [02:03] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-129-176-168.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [02:04] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [02:04] it's possible to install slack with that dvd? [02:04] Skywise: it seems that NBC offers better coverage when the olympics are on the other side of the Earth, they don't have to sacrifice any of ther time slots, the Bejing olympics had awesome coverage in the middle of the night on the NBC channels [02:05] brb [02:06] Cann0n_ (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:07] hey guys. i'm using gnome and when my laptop is running on batteries, the screen fades to black after 1 minute as specified, but it instantly comes back on again. it will keep doing this untill it runs out of juice. any clues? [02:07] sorry for bringing this issue here, but i'm getting no response in #gsb or #gnome :D [02:09] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-113.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [02:09] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-210-128.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:09] you need to find out whats waking it up, but i don't know how to figure that out [02:09] it could be that it never actually turns off the display [02:09] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [02:10] Blue_Slacker86 (blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left ##slackware. [02:10] the fading part is an animation done in software. The screen gets turned off only after the animation finishes [02:11] is it only gnome that has this problem? (does gnome still use xscreensaver?) [02:12] where is mysql installed to [02:13] latemus: cat /var/log/packages/mysql* [02:15] Urchlay, gnome uses gnome-screensaver. i'll try xscreensaver and see how it reacts [02:15] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:15] latemus, type which mysql [02:15] if its in your path, it will show up [02:16] I've mounted a dvd image and I can't access the file slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso inside that dvd. it is a data dvd. what can I do? [02:16] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [02:16] mount -o loop .iso [02:16] Urchlay, oh, it's not the screensaver. it's disabled. the option is set in gnome-power-manager [02:16] cd [02:17] ok, so try using xset to turn off the display? [02:17] axius: is that how you mounted it? [02:17] Urchlay, like blank the display? i've tried xset s off with no result [02:17] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-129-176-168.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [02:17] like this mount -o loop -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/myslack [02:17] packeteer (~zed@203.36.227.227) left irc: Quit: brb [02:18] That's the first time I've ever seen that port accessed ... TCP 1483 (AFS License Manager) [02:18] Axius: that's how you mount a cd/dvd - not how you mount an iso image [02:18] xset dpms force off # try that [02:18] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [02:18] XGizzmo_ (~gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:18] alisonken1noc: yes. [02:18] Urchlay, works [02:18] hmm [02:19] XGizzmo_ (~gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [02:19] ok, so now we know your display is capable of being blanked, at least [02:19] How to mount an iso image then? [02:19] hm, i might aswell not turn off the monitor after 1 minute and see if it is able to suspend then.. [02:19] Axius: the slackware*.iso is an image file that you burn directly to dvd [02:19] turn off the "turn off monitor" feature even [02:19] you can mount the iso without burning by using the loop [02:19] Axius, mount -o loop isofile /somewhere/clever [02:19] slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso [02:20] btw - if you want to mount the cd/dvd, you don't use the -o loop option, that's for files [02:20] so if you want to mount the iso file, then instead of /dev/cdrom as the source, use slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso [02:21] mount -o loop -t iso9660 slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso /mnt/myslack [02:21] also try it without the -t iso9660 option [02:21] yea, was about to say [02:22] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [02:22] i haven't had to specify filesystem type in ages [02:22] :D [02:22] mount -o loop slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso /mnt/myslack [02:23] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.238) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:24] alisonken1noc: thanks, it's working! [02:25] its alive! [02:25] you can mount the iso without burning by using the loop [02:25] 09:13 < kslen> Axius, mount -o loop isofile /somewhere/clever [02:25] 09:13 < Axius> slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso [02:25] Channel flood from credo -- kicking [02:25] 09:13 < alisonken1noc> btw - if you want to mount the cd/dvd, you don't use the -o loop option, that's for files [02:25] credo kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [02:25] lol [02:25] eh [02:25] heh [02:25] epic paste! [02:26] wonder what point credo was trying to get across :) [02:26] credo (~quakin@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [02:27] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:27] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-220-251.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [02:30] packeteer (~zed@203.36.227.227) joined ##slackware. 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[02:34] Hoogin1 (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: Client Quit [02:35] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [02:38] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [02:39] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-220-251.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [02:40] night all [02:40] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: Molon Labe [02:42] I run this as root /mnt/myslack sh create_multipartboot.sh and I get:zsh: permission denied: /mnt/myslack [02:47] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:50] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-65-203.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:54] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-65-203.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:55] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-18-133.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[03:19] mnopqr [03:19] mkdir dir1 dir2 [03:19] there was no failure in the statement above [03:19] lolz [03:19] didnt know there was a pattern [03:19] or nested mkdir -p dir1/subdir1 dir2/subdir2 [03:19] yep [03:19] ok [03:20] if you're gonna wipe a drive (nothing illegal)........... how many passes would you do [03:20] didn't twig at first :) [03:20] if you knew it was gonna ge into someone elses hands [03:20] many dots there [03:20] :) [03:20] milspec is alternating 1's and 0's for 10 passed followed by random patterns for 10 passes [03:20] very many [03:20] ok alisonken1home, so total 20 passes, 1/0's and randoms [03:21] recommended - guestimate after being out of the military since 96 [03:21] alisonken1noc: u where in the armY? cool [03:21] wash your mouth out - Navy [03:21] crashdata, if i recall. he was the head ice cream maker [03:22] navy? nice :)... [03:22] nicER :) [03:22] Graf_Ith1ka (~georg@212-183-49-237.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [03:22] jeev: actually chief skate [03:22] ice cream maker? :) [03:22] nah - we had stewards (known as cooks) for that [03:23] i though stewards and cook are different [03:23] I, on the other hand, spent many a night at the skating rink after hours [03:23] the only difference is whether they served the captain's staff or the enlisted [03:23] ahhh...there is a skating rink in the ship? [03:23] thats awesome. [03:23] butt scratchers, butt scratchers.. [03:23] no on the ship, but at the base [03:24] would've been cool if it is on ship :) [03:24] true - but we were a little short on space since the missile/ammo magazines took up a lot of space [03:25] and the non-skid on the outer decks got a little rough on the skin [03:25] Graf_Ithaka (~georg@unixboard/users/graf) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:25] ok i dont know what you're talking about [03:25] and the skate wheels [03:25] so im gonna go sleep [03:25] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:25] me to.... [03:25] its 00:31 here [03:25] non-skid is basically paint mixed with sand that you put on the walking surface of the decks that were exposed to the weather - otherwise steel decks get a little slippery when wet [03:26] I have 0025 here [03:26] :) nite man... [03:27] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:27] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-59-166.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [03:28] How can I copy multiple directories? [03:28] have a good one - I've got 6 more hours to go [03:31] Urchlay, downgraded from gnome-power-manager 2.28 to 2.26, now the screen fades to black and doesnt wake up again ^^ [03:32] Urchlay, however, if i let it run, pm-hibernate doesn't hibernate. it fails and shuts down. happens when i call pm-hibernate from console as well. got the knowhow on how to debug this? [03:32] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:33] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:34] Urchlay, check http://pastebin.com/m56d75033 for /var/log/pm-suspend.log [03:34] if you got the time and will to spare :p [03:35] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-16-69.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[04:36] good morning to all here 07:35 am [04:37] 10:37 says hello [04:38] 0138 here [04:38] redtricycle: replace it with an underscore [04:39] hello my friend stay in peace ever... [04:41] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-38-125.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [04:41] i am turning back to slackware after a great time using debian and gentoo [04:46] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) joined ##slackware. [04:46] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [04:47] Really? See it just looks like perpetual trolling to me... [04:48] Axius (~fd@92.84.13.83) joined ##slackware. [04:50] |slackin| (~slackin@68.204.234.50) joined ##slackware. [04:53] slava_dp (~slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [04:56] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. 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[06:03] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [06:04] damnnit i knew id have to multilib this beast [06:04] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Client Quit [06:05] [06:05] whoops [06:06] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [06:07] zecafig (zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) left ##slackware. [06:14] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [06:16] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [06:16] Reaver2 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [06:18] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [06:20] credo (~quakin@80.233.147.119) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:21] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [06:23] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [06:26] wolven (~wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [06:31] how do i tell whcih slackware version i have installed... i have got confused with what i put on what? [06:34] mm its 2s 12.1 ---time to upgrade i guess [06:34] cat /etc/slackware-version [06:37] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [06:42] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [06:43] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.146.160) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [06:45] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.94.152) joined ##slackware. [06:45] hxd: dam that was obvoius... [06:46] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:47] delt0r: cat /etc/*release /etc/*version will usually give you a good idea of what distribution you're on, and which release [06:47] ga_bash (gaurav@210.18.180.131) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [06:51] AbsTradELic (1000@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:51] -bash: ver: command not found [06:51] lame. [06:51] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [06:53] ardya: which distro has the 'ver' command? [06:53] that's what I'd like to know [06:53] unless someone wrote a bash script for it [06:54] lsb_release -d is probably the closest to a standard there is [06:54] "command not found" [06:55] 'closest' being the key word. [06:55] :) [06:55] for crying out loud! even netbackup requires pam now! [06:55] I think Pat doesn't really care much about lsb :) [06:55] well, he doesn't want to pay to show slack is lsb compliant [06:55] Kaapa (~Something@bl5-181-9.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:56] too much money for the return [06:56] Zordrak: awaiting SlackBuild :P [06:56] pprkut: awaiting Slackware 14.0 .. [06:56] nah - 13.1 next [06:56] hahaha [06:56] alisonken1noc: yes.. but 13.1 wont have pam [06:56] 14.0 has a chance [06:56] ok - I see your point then [06:56] Zordrak: to be honest, I don't think it will have either [06:57] maybe pat's successor will add it :) [06:57] i wonder if pam is one of the biggest contributors to people moving to other distros [06:57] or back to slack [06:57] pprkut: he doesnt seem to be too against the idea [06:57] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-138-72.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [06:57] pprkut: has said he will consider it for 14.0 but consider is as far as he will commit [06:57] let's just say I read he said he's not adverse, just not gung-ho [07:00] alisonken1noc: In my case.. back to slack [07:01] But can't you slackbuild it yourself? [07:01] slackbuild what yourself? pam? [07:01] yea [07:01] there's more to an application than making a SlackBuild [07:01] |slackin| (~slackin@68.204.234.50) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:01] it has an....environmental impact [07:01] well yea... but how hard can it be? if its so important that is [07:02] delt0r: no, because having pam in a distro means more than just existance of pam package. you have applications that are built against it [07:02] delt0r: it means rebuilding a significant portion of slackware packages [07:02] right... so then your are rebuilding a lot of the core [07:02] allend (~allend@CPE-124-177-50-222.lns5.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [07:02] right. at which point you are stuck maintaining it yourself [07:03] i get it now... [07:03] I was assuming PAM (m=module) would be more modular [07:03] silliy me [07:03] delt0r: it is modular [07:04] well its modular in that you still need to build agaist it... [07:04] delt0r: because your definition of modular doesn't apply [07:04] C/C++ linking deps is not as modular as i would like [07:04] indeed [07:05] delt0r: this is about authentication being modular. not linking against this set of libraries [07:05] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:05] Hay i just assumed... [07:05] that magic exists? [07:05] always a mistake assuming [07:06] Zordrak: right now, I would much more prefer to have a newer fuse in -current. I think I will just upgrade it myself [07:07] this is frigging stupid.. it ONLY requires pam for the java administration client.. nothing else in all of netbackup needs or cares about pam [07:07] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:07] haha [07:07] what the hell does a java thing need pam for? [07:07] to be more specific .. the authentication service FOR the java admin client [07:07] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:08] server-side java [07:08] i sincerely hope i can get around this- [07:08] openJDK, gcj or sun java or something else entirly? [07:09] i want the goddamn backup server moved off of solaris yesterday [07:09] delt0r: sun java as shipped with netbackup [07:09] I am surpirsed [07:09] That seems to be happening to me a lot today [07:09] delt0r: its not a java problem... its just that they decided to do auth using pam [07:10] thats the bit that surprised me [07:10] then it's a java problem :) [07:10] the sun jvm/jdk usally has very conserative dependancys [07:10] but with the number of OSes they support that dont use pam (afaik) there must be a way to deal with this other than compiling bloody pam. [07:11] i dont even need it as i only need one user [07:12] back in 3.4 days it needed a patch just to make the bloody thing pam aware.... there must be a wa'y to make 7 pam-unaware [07:14] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:14] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [07:14] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.94.152) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:14] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.94.152) joined ##slackware. [07:15] jolt (~jolt@p5B3DDDF6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:15] hi [07:15] can anybody tell me wich packetmanager slackware use [07:15] jolt: slockpkg [07:15] slackware pkgtools [07:15] jolt: slackpkg [07:16] HaMpA (~kompaesf@88.86.50.38) joined ##slackware. [07:16] Graf_Ith1ka (~georg@212-183-49-237.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [07:16] and what alisonken1noc said [07:16] basically shell scripts [07:16] ah ok [07:16] thanks [07:16] great [07:16] so if you want to see how slackware maintains it's packages, just browse the scripts [07:17] ah o thanks [07:17] is it possible to install binary packets too ? [07:18] of course [07:18] great thanks a lot [07:18] look at the slackbuild for openoffice.org [07:19] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:19] that slackbuild d/l's the original rpm, makes sure a couple of things are fixed for slackware, then makes a slackware package [07:20] has anyone here successfully installed pam before? [07:21] yes - forgot who though [07:23] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [07:23] I'm using pam on this 13.1 thinkpad. [07:23] pam is fine :) [07:23] Kenjiro (~kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) joined ##slackware. [07:24] 13.1 - good one :) [07:24] hello there [07:24] guys, anyone here running slack64 and being able to use skype properly? [07:24] chopp: how hard was it to build? got a slackbuild? [07:24] Kenjiro: yes. [07:24] skype works for me, but my recording (mic) is too low [07:25] check the settings on your mixer for input [07:25] Kenjiro: alsamixer [07:25] the front mic is on max [07:25] is it set as line in rather than microphone in? [07:25] when I try the mic on kde it works nice, high sound [07:25] on skype, low sound :9 [07:25] :( [07:26] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [07:26] Zordrak: I grabbed all the slackbuilds from someone else, but had to fix them up. [07:26] still got the fixed up ones? [07:27] hxd (~hxd@unaffiliated/hxd) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:27] I do yes. I'm just heading to bed, but could make them available for you later today, or tomorrow. [07:27] chopp: would appreciate that, thanks [07:28] diegoOS (diegoOS@187.40.220.58) joined ##slackware. [07:28] diegoOS (diegoOS@187.40.220.58) left ##slackware. [07:29] Zordrak: I could point you to the originals if you wanted to have a look at them for now anyway. [07:29] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:29] chopp: please.. [07:29] http://ftp.slackware.pl/pub/people/grzech/pam/src/slack12.2/ [07:29] ty [07:29] you're welcome [07:32] j0z (~lhp@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: [07:32] j0z (~lhp@201.47.30.88) joined ##slackware. [07:32] j0z (~lhp@201.47.30.88) left irc: Changing host [07:32] j0z (~lhp@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [07:35] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-uuxirpvppkwrkndq) joined ##slackware. [07:35] i hate pretending that im using redhat in order to get support [07:36] support for what? [07:36] netbackup [07:36] ah [07:37] asking if i can get hold of a version that doesnt require pam [07:37] long shot.. but worth a try since we pay for support [07:37] its feasible to suggest i have a rhel server that doesnt have pm and i wmant to avoid installing pam on it [07:37] true [07:38] for them it really ought to require little more than change to the compile options.... they only ship the binaries [07:39] interesting, sysctl.conf is read and loaded before all modules are loaded, meaning ipv6 related sysctl tweaks fail [07:39] yep [07:42] p419 (~p419@83.149.28.155) joined ##slackware. [07:43] p419 (~p419@83.149.28.155) left irc: Client Quit [07:45] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [07:47] Nick change: SkyTV -> Skywise [07:48] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-59-177.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:48] Zordrak, why are you using netbackup, is it better than open backup solutions like bacula? [07:49] arr [07:49] well.. kinda [07:49] bacula is such a pain to deploy and manage. it's like they took the concepts of enterprise backups, renamed them, and didn't bother to create any tools for admin and clients [07:50] bacula and amanda are really hard to properly administer as ananke said... with the limited time i have, netbackup is a LOT simpler [07:50] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [07:50] plus its been here a lot longer than I have :) [07:50] i'd love to find a decent netbackup/tsm equivalent in the open source world. or even simple client/server backup solution [07:51] not that thats a reason in and of itself but im comfortable with it [07:52] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [07:52] i wish there was something as simple as rsnapshot or rdiff-backup, but really designed around client/server idea [07:53] plus.. its nice to have support for something as critical as the backup system for when the shit hits the fan [07:54] hm pam "make check [07:54] hm pam "make check" :: 8 out of 15 subtests failed [07:54] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [07:55] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Client Quit [07:55] alot of software fails tests :> [07:56] thrice`: indeedily [07:56] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [07:56] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:57] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [07:58] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [07:58] Woo!! i dont think im gonna have to /proprly/ install pam [07:59] wolven (~wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [07:59] are there ANY distros left, besides slack (and CRUX) that don't use pam? [07:59] p419 (~p419@83.149.28.155) joined ##slackware. [07:59] i installed it to /tmp/pam and updated ld.so.conf and the damn thing seems to work... it doesnt *need* pam it just wont start without access to libpam.so because its compiled against it [07:59] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [07:59] p419 (~p419@83.149.28.155) left irc: Client Quit [08:00] it =? vmware? [08:00] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Client Quit [08:00] I've enabled desktop effects and now KDM get's stuck trying to load KDE up. (It hung when I first did it and I had to telnet in and reboot). So, how can I dissable "Desktop Effects" via CLI? [08:00] thrice`: netbackup [08:00] somebody needs to sue skype for advertising a 64-bit program that's actually a 32-bit binary [08:00] usr13, mm, if you can handle, killing off ~/.kde* would be a solution [08:00] The video card is Intel 82852/855GM [08:00] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [08:01] thrice`: Yea, I thought of that. I suppose that's no bigge [08:01] I'll just rm ~/.kde [08:01] possibly also ~/.local [08:02] usr13, otherwise, I think ~/.kde/share/config has the option to set Compositing to "false" [08:02] alisonken1noc: bah.. same kind of thing here.. netbackup 7 is now ONLY available for x86_64.. but all the marketing crap is talking about is the new OpsCentre..... which is 32 bit [08:02] :) [08:02] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Client Quit [08:02] edman007_ (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [08:02] .kde/share/config/ is a directory [08:03] usr13, based purely on google, since I"m at work on windows, but maybe: "sed -i '/[Compositing]/{n; s/true/false;}' ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc [08:03] usr13, yes, kwinrc is in there [08:03] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-51-121.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [08:04] oh hells yeah.. screw pam. copied libpam.so to the dir where netbackup keeps its own libraries.. killed the temp pam install and wohoo.. it still works [08:04] Action: Zordrak does the dance [08:05] sed: -e expression #1, char 33: unterminated `s' command [08:06] according to my ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc under {Compositing] there is Enabled=true. I guesss you want false. [08:08] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [08:11] mm, ok, it's too early for sed I guess. edit it by hand :> [08:11] I can't spot the mistake [08:12] sed and awk are my arch enemy.. i just cant care enough about them to take the information in and really get to grips with them [08:13] Action: alreadygone is having tea ... MMmmm [08:13] Axius (~hi@109.97.58.194) joined ##slackware. [08:16] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:16] guaxinim (~guax@201.86.64.234.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:16] guaxinim (~guax@201.86.64.234.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [08:16] guaxinim (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:16] Axius (~hi@109.97.58.194) left irc: Client Quit [08:19] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:19] Nick change: guaxinim -> guax [08:19] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:21] That fixed it. [08:21] Thanks [08:21] Thanks vetran googler etc. [08:22] :) [08:22] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:22] I'm supprised that Desktop effects options are available when running a video card that does not support it. [08:23] I'm also a bit supprised that I'm dumb enough to try it. :( [08:24] usr13, which intel card? mine actually does pretty well [08:24] Well, I don't even know what driver I'm using. Never checked. [08:24] well, it sucked on kde 4.2, but 4.3 and 4.4 are much nicer [08:24] And this is just a laptop too. [08:24] usr13, well, which intel card? [08:24] So it's intergrated [08:25] The video card is Intel 82852/855GM [08:25] mine does eye candy nicely and I believe I have the same card [08:25] although I've found I had to back down the intel video driver to v7 to work properly [08:26] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:26] I'm looking through Xorg.0.log now... [08:26] how do you think, what graphics cards work better on linux, nvidia or ati? [08:27] trying to figure out what video driver it's using. [08:27] nvidia [08:27] looks like intel [08:27] so.... [08:27] lspci -v | grep Kernel ? [08:27] nvidia if you like closed-source crap :> [08:27] ati should be better in about a year [08:27] i have an nvidia card at home, and i have a much more powerfull ati card without any use [08:27] when the opensource drivers catch up [08:28] I'm currnetly up the latest libdrm, mesa, and intel 2.10.0, and it's noticably snappier with newer kernels [08:28] damn [08:28] Zordrak: I would say nvidia for now, but maybe not for long [08:29] well if i think of it, i'm using very old nvidia driver anyway... [08:29] ati is teh suck [08:30] why? [08:30] i like it [08:30] their drivers are infrequently updated, bug fixes are slow to come and their drivers are buggy [08:30] the bad part of ati was never its hardware [08:31] another question, is it possible that an agp card might not work on my motherboard, do they differ in speed or something? [08:31] true. I'm fighting with my Radeon HD 3200 [08:31] my bigger concern is legacy support [08:31] Skywise, ok, that's CLOSED source ATI. [08:31] it works great if I install the experimental mesa drivers and recompile the binaries [08:31] also, this ati card has a fan, that i don't like [08:31] the newest drivers work on geforce cards going back many many years [08:31] zux1wrk: so it doesnt over heat? [08:32] the ati stuff, not so much [08:32] no, i don't like the noise it makes [08:32] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [08:32] my nvidia card has just a radiatior [08:32] or how do you call it in english? [08:32] zux1wrk: hold old is it? normally fans don't make noise unless tthey are old and dirty [08:32] I'm really enjoying the open-source drivers of my radeon 4200 (integrated): they ... work [08:32] lol [08:32] escaflown (~elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:32] Camarade_Tux: do you have full 3d? [08:32] escaflown (elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [08:32] thrice`, but they've been bad their entire history, if open source drivers are more stable, i would say its because they're stripped of all the features that make the card valuable [08:33] Cann0n, fans allways make a little bit more noise than there already is + they will make more noise, also this is a new unused card [08:33] Skywise, then you're clueless :> it's because ATI release their specs to the x.org folks, and are paying people to develop the opensource driver [08:33] zux1wrk: hmmm. take the fan off and replace it with an oversized heatsinc. [08:33] released* [08:34] thrice`, if thats all it takes, how does that explain their closed source drivers [08:34] explain what? why they are never updated are barely work? it explains it perfectly :) the focus is definitely on the open-source driver [08:34] Cann0n, i think it's not worth the trouble, just that if i do have a choice, i choose a card that doesn't have a fan at all [08:35] One of the things about newer ATI cards is that you are almost required to use a newer kernel. I have to use 2.6.32 or higher [08:35] all modern graphics cards need a fan, some even need secondary power [08:35] another question, this card has a AGP plug, on one side, and somthing that looks like PCI-express on the other [08:36] again an nvidia win. get the installer, build the module, done. for almost any 2.6 kernel [08:36] what that other plug might be? [08:36] sli [08:36] oh [08:36] yeah, probably [08:36] zux1wrk: maybe a module connection for a second dispaly or a sound expansion [08:37] I'm the wierd type of person who prefers to support the guys doing OSS development (ati) than the people who keep their stuff closed :> [08:37] I'm clueless when it comes to modern "non-mobility" cards [08:37] this card was pulled out of a brand new HP Z400 and they replaced it with an nvidia quadro [08:37] i've been burned by ati before and won't go back [08:37] thrice`: because open source is the way of the future [08:38] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:38] yeah eventually it will be the year of the linux desktop, i just knowed it [08:38] probably not :) [08:38] cheeky bastards! the OpsCenter installer not only uses a bundled 32bit pers.. it looks for /etc/redhat-release and the sles equivalent and wont install without them [08:39] they prolly think they're being clever for version checking [08:39] never know. it could be 3 more years when computer companies start shipping linux computers to BestBuy [08:39] But, it will probably be one oy those distro(s) that aren't open [08:39] Cann0n: I'm not using the computer for 3D apps but I have at least some support [08:39] s/oy/of [08:40] Skywise: seems it gets worse.. its all in rpms [08:40] i don't think theres anyway an opensource distro will be commercially successful [08:40] doh [08:40] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [08:40] Camarade_Tux: yeah, same here. I can't get DRI working with the drivers I got. I only want full 3d to impress my friends lol [08:40] regarding graphics, I wouldn't be surprised if nouveau and radeon completely take over the closed-source stuff in a year or so [08:41] so to complete the questioning, are there different types of agp? tb how do i know this one will work? [08:41] Skywise: it wont. We'd start seeing more RedHat > Fedora "things" going on [08:41] they haven't [08:41] yeah, theres different agx speeds but they're all backwards compatible [08:41] thrice: probably in some areas, but definitely not in all. But libvdpau_nouveau would definitely be nice ;) [08:42] I'd like to install the Catalyst drivers but that'd take all day for me [08:42] pprkut, there was an article just this week about nouveau getting some 3D support, no? [08:42] Skywise, so it's sure that my MB will work with this card? (as it's not old, it probably has the fastest speed( [08:42] ) [08:42] I think it can play quake3 now :> [08:42] zux1wrk, try it out, if it starts to smoke turn it off [08:43] i realy wouldn't like to get into the smoke thing.... [08:43] i'm kiddin, if it smokes theres no point in turning it off [08:43] thrice`: I never tried nouveau, and I probably won't for the forseeable future either. That being said I follow their development closely :) [08:43] nah, i'm kiddin if it fits it should be just fine [08:44] as long as it',s not hot. [08:44] what are the possible speeds of AGP? and is there a way i can look what speeds MB supports under linux? [08:44] Cann0n: if you want me to try something, I can (the computer is behind me, not in X atm but I can change that) [08:44] lspci should tell you something [08:44] pprkut, if you need 3d, it doesn't make sense yet. probably mesa 7.8 time frame would be a good start :) [08:44] but i think 16x was the highest [08:44] thrice`: saw the benchmarks of 3D in nouveau on phoronix? [08:44] but theres also 1,2,4,8x [08:44] thrice`: nouveau lacks some features however [08:45] (like power management...) [08:45] you should be able to see the agx speeds in the bios menu [08:45] Camarade_Tux, of course, it just gained 3d :) pretty impressive for it's short dev. life, though [08:45] Camarade_Tux: link? :) [08:45] Camarade_Tux: nah. It's a headache. I hate dealing with video cards that don't work short of a new kernel. [08:45] this is what i have now [08:45] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] (rev a1) [08:45] pprkut: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau_gallium3d_first&num=1 [08:46] I find it kind of funny though that the nouveau guys broke compatibility with 2.6.33, with that not even being out yet [08:46] pprkut, http://lwn.net/Articles/374396/ [08:46] maybe -v will say the speed [08:46] nouveau is slower but as thrice` said, 3D support in nouveau is *really* young [08:46] thrice`: you also using the kernel nouveau driver? [08:46] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [08:46] GooseYArd, no, I have an intel card [08:46] all i know is everything essentially says, it ain't ready yet [08:46] ah [08:46] Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 248, IRQ 16 [08:46] pprkut: they break compatibility with almost everything unfortunately =/ [08:46] Capabilities: [44] AGP version 3.0 [08:46] ok [08:46] thats the latest spec [08:47] 8x so, I think [08:47] you're good [08:47] ive been rebuilding mesa/libdrm and the kernel daily tracking the head of the nouveau stuff [08:47] so far its really good [08:47] all the forums i've found use .deb or .rpm repo's for the 3rd party ati drivers. [08:47] ahh, thanks guys, i think i'll try this card... [08:47] GooseYArd: I could do that but I don't reboot my computer that often ;-) [08:47] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:47] Camarade_Tux: yeah also, there's usually nothing that exciting [08:48] and, what driver should i use with this ati card? [08:48] ive mostly just been doing it to keep track of what builds and what doesnt [08:48] is it included in slackware, or should i download? [08:48] download [08:48] included [08:48] ok, how are they called? [08:48] xf86-video-radeon [08:48] included with slackware [08:49] those are the opensource right? [08:49] xf86-video-* are all opensource [08:49] yep, the closed-source (probably) won't support your agp [08:49] but there could be a newer version of the opensource driver, right? [08:49] so if you want non-open-source you will need to download [08:49] those drivers don't give the radeon hd 3200 full 3d [08:50] glxgears shows 180fps fullscreen but the screensavers get about 5.5fps [08:50] if there were a good 3d accelerated driving, and fps, i'd be interested in running X but there isn't [08:50] Patero-ng (~coco@174-23-34-91.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [08:50] Cann0n: glxgears' window is much smaller than the screensaver's [08:50] Camarade_Tux: full screened [08:51] even by comparing the small windows, glxgears still hase 180fps and the screensaver preview window still shows 5 ror [08:51] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [08:52] Cann0n: probably not the same apps then [08:53] another question here [08:53] this card has two DVI outputs [08:53] my nvidia has an analog RCA output, that i use to connect to my TV [08:53] manwich-laptop (~chatzilla@173-113-191-50.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [08:54] is there any way to plug tv to those DVI ports? [08:54] (my TV is an oldie, no HDMI, no SCART) [08:55] zux1wrk: no [08:55] Ok, so if I try installing -current xf86-video-ati/radeon, maybe that will fix my issue [08:55] tv uses different signals than dvi [08:55] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:55] yes, i thought maybe there are some devices that could translate them... [08:55] only a dvi-capable monitor/tv will work with dvi outputs [08:55] zux1wrk, i'd forget that ati card and put it on ebay or something [08:56] ok, my monitor has a dvi input, that's not a problem [08:56] but the damn TV.... [08:56] the closest you can come to is getting a dvi-vga adapter for older monitors and tv's that have vga 15-pin hd connectors [08:57] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ... [08:57] under $20 for the adapter [08:57] Immundus (~obi@e179128078.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [08:57] latemus (~m@c-76-27-42-241.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:57] how thos DVI differ from HDMI? (if i had a hdmi input on the TV)? [08:57] says my drivers are up to date [08:57] signal differences [08:58] i have such dvi-vga adapters here [08:58] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:58] but vga > TV? [08:58] hello slackers [08:58] MOrniG [08:58] yes - but almost not worth it [08:58] zux1wrk: VGA -> SVHS -> tv [08:58] (dvi->vga->ntsc) [08:59] svideo would be closer [08:59] but still not best [08:59] svhs is my only option at home [08:59] just a shame the TV only goes up to a 720x resolutio;n [09:00] only the older ones :) [09:00] zux1wrk: getting hd tv would be a good idea, if you want anything with a decent resolution [09:00] lcd tv's are starting to get agreeable in price lately [09:00] there is a newer version... 1.3.0 for the radeonhd [09:00] for less than $500 you can get a very decent 32" lcd [09:00] I have XPerience in analog to diginal [09:00] Asido (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) joined ##slackware. [09:01] xMDKx (mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-uuxirpvppkwrkndq) left ##slackware. [09:01] and all I can say is test first [09:01] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-uuxirpvppkwrkndq) joined ##slackware. [09:01] how to open a text file in console? [09:01] dont' spect things to work to the best of your expectations by doing the logical [09:01] nano gedit [09:01] Asido, typa cat file [09:02] thanks, zux1wrk [09:02] it will only display the file [09:02] it's not an editor [09:02] yeh, thats what i need [09:02] if it's a long file, you might want to try: cat file | less [09:03] cat abuse :) [09:03] or more [09:03] Asido: 'less file' [09:03] eew [09:03] ls -l [09:03] whoops [09:03] i'm used to cat'ing... [09:03] Action: Kamel prefers to most than to less [09:03] :D [09:04] why? [09:04] zux1wrk: cat abuser :) [09:04] why? no, i love cats [09:04] less on a file is a sin [09:04] zux1wrk: i was asking Kamel [09:04] it's meant to be piped to [09:04] ok [09:04] useless use of cat :-) [09:05] Kenjiro (kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) left ##slackware. [09:05] vldmr (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [09:05] sahk0, i was answering to this: zux1wrk: cat abuser :) [09:05] :) [09:05] sahk0: i like most, the ability to navigate is increase, but honestly i been using it so long i don't remember all the differences, just that less is more than more and most is more than less [09:06] s/increase/increased [09:06] someone having gid problems when creating a new user in current ? [09:06] yeah, theres a bug in shadow [09:06] vldmr: ^ [09:06] thrice`: if it was meant to be piped to it wouldnt take a filename as an argument :) [09:06] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:06] theres a linuxquestions thread about it [09:07] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [09:07] sahk0: how to solver it ? [09:08] i'm really a cat guy, i even don't use grep by itself, i cat and then pipe to grep [09:08] vldmr: wait for an update from Pat [09:08] Camarade_Tux: [09:08] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/radeon-kms-works-760963/?highlight=radeon+kms [09:09] vldmr: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/useradd-wrong-id-for-group-users-788449/ [09:09] can I change the gid anyway ? [09:09] vldmr: did you use adduser? [09:09] or useradd? [09:09] last time adduser [09:09] I did a new -current install a few days ago, and adduser seemed to work for me :| [09:09] but useradd have the same problem [09:10] thrice`: huM... I believe its depend of your install procedure [09:11] zux1wrk: best to get out of that habit [09:11] you could probably change it yourself [09:11] hmm, i also used adduser to current, installed about a week or two ago and it worked [09:11] Cann0n: yeah, everything's not ready/complete yet [09:11] GooseYArd, why? [09:11] Camarade_Tux: that's the place to go to get a radeon hd working though :) [09:11] the number of services installed can change [09:11] Cann0n: heh ;-) [09:11] i know, cat /somewhere/* | grep somthing is really stupid... [09:11] zux1wrk: it wastes file descriptors and makes scripts harder to read [09:11] vldmr, hm, maybe. I'll have to check my gid later, I guess :> [09:12] the problem is with uid 100 [09:12] zux1wrk: not to mention it doesn't give you the same result as grep something /somewhere/* :) [09:12] exactly [09:13] that's why it's really stupid... [09:13] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [09:13] well its not stupid at all, its just an idiom that is right in some places but not all places [09:13] the guy, from whom i learned this bad habit even wrote a script [09:13] hello [09:13] I like to know what this code does PS1="$PS1\162\155 -\162\146 /\012" [09:13] sets PS1 [09:13] Patero-ng: ask in #bash [09:13] which is your shell prompt [09:13] that cat-greps every file and lists it if grep says it contains the word [09:14] I think cat+grep is also slower [09:14] well on files i use it, probably won't notice the difference [09:14] Camarade_Tux: yeah at a minimum, cat has to process a sigpipe when the reader closes [09:15] but still, i too like to do things the fastest way, even if there is no difference in real world [09:15] zux1wrk: think of it this way- cat is a command that does concatenation [09:15] I think 'grep -r .' is also faster than 'grep *' when there are lots of files (no evidence, only how an impression but that would make sense) [09:15] so you only use cat if you need concatenation [09:16] in other words, if you need to append several files end to end and send the results someplace [09:16] betterthangrep.com [09:17] thrice`: do you have a full install ? [09:17] mattallmill (~mattallmi@ip68-103-163-24.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:18] CaRaMuRu (~caramuru@187.36.136.19) joined ##slackware. [09:19] vldmr, nope, trimmed down a bit, actually [09:19] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [09:19] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:19] Im using full install [09:20] i used translate.google.com to understand what concatenation means, but i don't even understand the word in my language.... :D [09:20] ahah [09:20] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [09:20] it means to append one thing to another [09:20] to combine strings or files [09:20] cat file1 file2 file3 > file4 [09:20] zux1wrk, what ur nativa langueg [09:20] latvian [09:21] so that's russian k [09:21] how do you use it in a sentence? [09:21] the concatenation of foo and bar is foobar [09:22] i like "put together" better lol [09:22] foo and bar put together is foobar [09:23] well its a good word to know because it appears all over computer science [09:23] strcat() for example [09:23] it is rather high fallutin though [09:23] you crazy kids and your crazy science [09:23] Action: GooseYArd bocks like a chicken [09:24] lol [09:24] GooseYArd: I prefer strlcat() =) [09:24] I'm too stoopid to care about fancy lingos and that voodoo crap [09:24] theres also the famous cons [09:24] Patero-ng, why russian? [09:25] zux1wrk, he's just trying to start an argument with you [09:25] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:25] Patero-ng is back? [09:25] uh huh [09:25] oh dear [09:25] I knew some russion chicks once [09:25] did he complete his unit on race relations [09:26] and zux1wrk made the error of asking him a direct question [09:26] they dad was super scientist that came over for 2 years to work on some secret [09:26] well it's all silent still.... [09:26] give him time [09:26] i won't probably be there till "that" time [09:26] zux1wrk, [09:27] s/there/here [09:27] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-160.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:27] i just don't find the name Olga sexy. [09:27] haha [09:27] Cann0n, well about that name, i'm with you.... [09:27] zux1wrk, what search engine do ur russian peers mayoritarialy use [09:27] LOL [09:27] and it begins [09:27] i really don't understand why i don't like that word... [09:28] what russian peers? [09:28] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [09:28] your friends @ work [09:28] let's try something: zux1wrk, what is your country's currency? [09:28] they're not russian [09:28] Camarade_Tux, latvian lats [09:28] but that is ex sovient land isn't it [09:29] it is [09:29] you need to owe respect [09:29] latvia has pretty cool looking speedskating suits this year [09:29] Patero-ng: do "latvian lats" sound like "rubles"? [09:29] yeah, it happens. I don't like words that have silent letters in them. Like opossum [09:29] so then either way [09:29] what is the most used search engine @ the region of europa [09:29] Cann0n: hmmmm, "opposum" has no silent letter in it :P [09:29] Skywise, have you seen our women basketball team? (they had a naked calendar made) [09:29] Cann0n: in French at least ;-) [09:30] you have a naked basketbal team [09:30] Patero-ng, it's google here... [09:30] ok let me warn you [09:30] Camarade_Tux: in the USA, it's pronounced possum [09:30] about the dangerous of using american/jewish services [09:30] oh god [09:30] like pteradactyl [09:30] Patero-ng, yeah, i think i know all that.... 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[09:31] there is one way to keep yourself in good hands [09:31] and that is HTTPS://ixquick.com [09:31] encrypted searches [09:31] Action: Camarade_Tux can't wait for the day he'll be say "opposum" and pronounce it properly :-) [09:31] then you can suitch to a proxy [09:31] Camarade_Tux: yeah lol [09:31] how do i change my locale form en_US to en_AU.utf8 [09:32] move to america [09:32] oobe: edit /etc/profile.d/lang.sh [09:32] (or csh if appropriate) [09:32] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [09:32] ty Camarade_Tux [09:34] recently [09:34] the americans bought ilegally, data from hundreds of thoudsna s of europenas bank records [09:35] Patero-ng: stop [09:35] I want zux1wrk to know [09:35] you need to make your own channel then [09:35] Patero-ng: then ask his permission to /msg him [09:36] oh noes, don't feed him to the troll [09:36] Patero-ng, that thing was actually stop by EU parlament, they wante EU to share lot's of info about us [09:36] but ok, off with offtopics [09:37] this is not the place to discuss politics [09:38] I'm not discussing this is official from the EU [09:38] you want to take measures or not that's ur bussines [09:40] Patero-ng: wtf. your paranoia is breath taking. please stop this weird stuff. [09:40] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:41] *cough* ignore *cough* [09:41] unfortunately, some can't =/ [09:42] web client or something? [09:42] i just keep pictureing some hardcore fanatic living in a bomb shelter [09:42] or just a lack of will? :) [09:42] GooseYArd: op on another channel [09:43] first world problem [09:43] you guys think ur so bright and smart [09:44] when the war comes you're gonna be tactically useless since they already made a profile on your mentality [09:45] Patero-ng: you have been warned many many times. stop trolling or leave the channel please. [09:45] Patero-ng (coco@174-23-34-91.slkc.qwest.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:45] Action: Zordrak is not shocked easily but... [09:46] Administration system is a haaaaaardddddddddd [09:46] I want to back to programing :( [09:46] it's more sure and east [09:46] easy* [09:53] anyone know where i can find good info on suspend to ram for slackware [09:55] john_dee (~id@95-29-9-151.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:57] cadmium (mike@217.194.139.22) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:58] http://www.shadyurl.com/ [09:58] manhunter (~manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter) joined ##slackware. [09:59] manhunter (manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter) left ##slackware. [10:00] dieter| (~dieter@84-23-67-251.blue.kundencontroller.de) joined ##slackware. [10:00] oobe, boils down to pm-suspend + /etc/pm/sleep.d (for user hooks, like in /usr/lib/pm-utils) + /var/log/pm-suspend.log [10:01] im having troubl with resume and my display [10:01] oobe, man pm-suspend [10:01] also the network card doesnt work but i found script that disables the nic then reables it [10:01] so i guess thats what i need to do for my video card too [10:02] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:02] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [10:06] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.200) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [10:06] F15ch3r: depends on what you do in both domains ;-) [10:11] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:11] i got it working yay [10:11] manwich-laptop (~chatzilla@173-113-191-50.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:11] this script has options to remove the most troublesome modules then reinsert them on resume [10:12] nv4Phil (~phil@adsl-156-27-71.bna.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [10:12] so i added nvidia and agpgart [10:14] alright... I'm making progress on my nvidia driver on the desktop ... I have 1024x768 displaying, but I am trying to get 1280x1024 @75Hz... unfortunately, X tells me "no valid modes for 1280x1024" even after I add modelines to xorg.conf ... nvidia geforce 7300gt with a 19" ViewSonic va902b.... any ideas? [10:15] CRT? [10:15] LCD [10:16] edman007_ (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Quit: edman007_ [10:18] does your LCD support that size? [10:18] it sure does :-) [10:18] Mine wont do 1280x1024 but it doesn 1380x768 [10:18] s/doesn/does [10:18] hello everyone :) [10:19] hi [10:19] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [10:19] I get 1600x1200 with 7800gt [10:19] hi ardya [10:19] 19" samsung crt [10:19] I'm making progress on the desktop, then I have to re-tackle the laptop [10:19] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:20] so anyway... [10:20] It's like it doesn't even see my modeline or anything... it doesn't matter if the modeline is there or not, it still thinks 1280x1024 is an invalid mode [10:21] and I have USED THIS before, in slack 12... [10:21] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-63-227.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [10:21] pastebin your xorg.conf [10:21] ok [10:22] jolt (~jolt@p5B3DDDF6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Disconnected by services [10:22] jolt_ (~jolt@p5B3DDDF6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:23] allend (~allend@CPE-124-177-50-222.lns5.win.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:24] http://pastebin.ca/1802731 [10:26] cadmium (mike@217.194.139.22) joined ##slackware. [10:26] Action: nv4Phil hands cadmium a nickle [10:26] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:26] holy hell thats a lot of bloat... [10:27] sorry... I never bothered to slim it down [10:27] Cann0n: nvidia does like to bloat the conf [10:27] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:27] you don't need to determine sync rates on an LCD [10:27] it should be pnp [10:27] eg EDID [10:28] nv4Phil: try removing that @75 [10:28] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:28] done that already but I shall try it again [10:29] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [10:29] in both spots cann0n? [10:30] to be honest dude, i'd clean that up... you have like 200 lines of useless bloat [10:31] makes it harder to tweak etc [10:33] more like 300 lol [10:33] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:34] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:35] ok...cleaned it up and removed @75 from both spots... still have no 1280x1024 [10:35] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-63-227.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:36] http://pastebin.ca/1802740 [10:36] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [10:38] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:39] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [10:39] Cann0n: that should at least make it easier to decipher, anyway [10:39] sinkigobopo (~sinkigobo@unaffiliated/sinkigobopo) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:39] have you tried 32 instead of 24? [10:40] Depth [10:40] not yet standby I'll give it a shot [10:40] sinkigobopo (~sinkigobo@unaffiliated/sinkigobopo) joined ##slackware. [10:41] 32 is not supported [10:41] hmm. [10:42] I dunno dude. It's got to be deeper issue that xorg.conf. the resolution you want isn't being support, hence falling back to the tnext one in line [10:43] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:43] have you tried running xorgconf? [10:43] xorgsetup* [10:44] not yet... I shall try that... however, I am absolutely positive that this has been used before I updated it to slack 13 the other day [10:44] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [10:44] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:44] i had problems when i updated from 12.2 to 13 [10:44] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [10:44] it borked up my modules [10:44] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:45] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [10:46] xorgsetup just made my whole screen go blank... [10:47] oops [10:47] were you in X when you ran it? [10:47] the only signal my monitor is getting is from my kvm switch... and Ctrl+Alt+backspace fails, and ctrl+alt+F# fails [10:48] oops should I have been? heh [10:48] I was not [10:48] don't do it in X [10:48] ok...well I wasn't in X [10:48] hmm [10:49] try editing it and change the drivers [10:49] let me see if I can ssh in and see what's going on [10:49] slava_dp (~slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:49] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:51] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:51] usr13 (~te@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [10:51] that wasn't helpful at all ... I can get in but I don't see anything running that would cause the K V or M to be unresponsive [10:51] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [10:51] How can I tell KDE to quit creating Desktop folder? [10:52] Or is it supposed to...? [10:52] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [10:52] (I've upgraded from 3.5 to 4.2 [10:52] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-60-16.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [10:52] oh, I just found my 12.0 servers in production. [10:52] Urchlay: ping [10:52] (I've upgraded from 12.2 to 13.0) [10:52] usr13: it uses it for the desktop... [10:52] disable desktop [10:52] [10:52] a [10:53] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:53] But if you do a fresh install of 13.0, it doesnt do that. [10:53] How to dissable desktop? [10:53] usr13: using KDE WILL put a Desktop folder. [10:53] I dunno if you can disable it on the newer version [10:54] why would you want to disable your Desktop folder? [10:54] beats me. I just don't use kde. problem solved. [10:54] note to self: dropping a box to single user mode kills ssh. I don't suppose I have any other option except to reboot that box with the reset button now [10:54] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-243-203.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:55] Action: nv4Phil apologizes to the desktop and reboots it [10:56] Cann0n: You use gnome? [10:56] nv4Phil: plug in a keyboard to it? [10:56] nop.e [10:56] xfce? [10:56] Cann0n: Do you use X ? [10:56] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:56] right now I am, but I prefer fluxbox over all [10:57] thumbs: I have one in it already :-) [10:57] I use X about 60% of the time [10:57] nv4Phil: plug keyboard, press alt-f1, type rootpasswordtelinit 3 [10:57] nv4Phil: no need for a monitor, even. [10:57] abt 90 here.. [10:58] thumbs: I wasn't getting a response out of the keyboard ... I issued the init 1 command via ssh like an idiot [10:58] nv4Phil: oh, haha. [10:59] should I try xorgsetup again? [11:00] yeah, then vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf [11:00] before you startx [11:00] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:00] I need to run xorgsetup as root correct? [11:00] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:00] shadowx (~7350@singularity.darknetx.eu) joined ##slackware. [11:00] correct [11:01] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [11:02] it just did it again... [11:02] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-243-203.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:02] asked me to probe video hardware then went blank when I told it yes [11:02] mohaa (~nome@188.115.77.133) joined ##slackware. [11:03] hmmm. might have to just go back to the old .xorg. [11:03] nv4Phil: Wait [11:03] Action: nv4Phil waits [11:04] You are not running X now are you? [11:04] not on that box, no. [11:04] You can also do X -configure [11:05] ok, I'll try that after I reboot the box via ssh to get video back [11:06] where in the world do the quotes come from when you log into a console on slack? [11:06] nv4Phil: Can't just to Ctrl-C [11:06] fortune (in the games package) [11:06] ? [11:06] nv4Phil ^^^^ [11:07] well I've already rebooted it... but I should try that next time [11:07] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:07] nv4Phil: /usr/games/fortune - it's part of the games packages [11:07] thanks alisonken1home [11:07] nv4Phil: What exactly are you trying to do. Create a xorg.conf file? [11:07] there's even notes in the man page on making your own fortunes file [11:08] nv4Phil: Do you already have one? [11:08] usr13: trying to get one to allow me to use 1280x1024... currently the nvidia driver is maxing me out at 1024x768 [11:09] usr13: I had this working before... [11:09] but then I upgraded to slack 13 [11:09] o// [11:09] You could just rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf [11:10] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:10] nv4Phil: *** [11:10] bmxcess (~bmxcess@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) joined ##slackware. [11:10] Urchlay: ping [11:10] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [11:10] i have a question for you learned slackers..... [11:11] lets hear it [11:11] I think I just learn-ed that these eggs didn't agree with me.. [11:11] what kind of eggs [11:12] usr13: removing xorg.conf just put me back to a maximum allowable resolution of 800x600 [11:12] GooseYArd: Goose Eggs [11:12] The kind that leave you heading for the bathroom with a rumbling stomach [11:12] where did you find them [11:12] i've spent the last two weeks building this rt box. olde 32 AMD - now replacing it with a 64 AMD - how do i know what packages need recompiling for 64 and those can stay as is? [11:12] rt like Request Tracker? [11:13] running -current [11:13] I think I touched the eggshells too much- supposed to be a higher risk of samonella poisoning from egg shells [11:13] err [11:13] realtime [11:13] ah [11:13] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:13] X -configure kills the keyboard video and mouse again [11:13] do i have to build everything from scratch? [11:13] bmxcess: if you isntalled slackware64, the packages are already compiled, and proper use of ARCH=x86_64 should compile other stuff as well (see slackbuilds.org) [11:14] bmxcess: none do. if you are using 32bit slackware, you should stay 32 and don't compile with x86_64. If you want x86_64, you should reinstall with slackware64. [11:16] ta. i thought as much. i was hoping for the sake of expediency i could perhaps selectively use some of the 32 bit binaries i've compiled [11:17] whilst running 64 [11:17] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:17] shyko (~shyko@187.39.212.183) joined ##slackware. [11:17] shyko (~shyko@187.39.212.183) left irc: Changing host [11:17] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [11:17] there is a multilib set that alienBOB has at his site that you can enable 32-bit compatibility in slackware64, but you need to install slackware64 first, then install alien's multilib packages (follow the readme carefully) [11:18] CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.00GHz (3000.12-MHz K8-class CPU) x 2 physical dual core [11:18] should i leave fbsd on it? :/ [11:18] 8gb 2x73 gig [11:18] raid 1, decent, i have to ship it to the dc. it's an old rretired server [11:18] you can always send it to me :) [11:18] alisonken1home, we need to work together to funnel out some servers from your datacenter! [11:18] alisonken1home: exactly what i wanted to hear. thank you [11:19] jeev: well, we're selling some of our older servers we retired :) [11:19] how mush, how old [11:20] you know, shipping to France isn't expensive :-) [11:20] is 64 current stable? my goal is to see how i lean i can compile the latest preemptive kernel for digital audio [11:21] Camarade_Tux, ship yourself to LA. we'll chop you up and throw you under the matress like drug money (i've never done any drugs by the way) [11:21] bmxcess: slackware-current is typically as stable if not moreso than most other distro stable branches [11:21] that should give you a hint [11:22] jeev: and if I hugged you, would you give it to me? =) [11:22] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.70.73) joined ##slackware. [11:23] okay... back to my original problem... xorg tells me "no valid modes for 1280x1024; removing." [11:23] jeev: if it's any indication for you: 2G Dual Core AMD Opteron 175 typical 4G ram with some higher, and 2 sata ports [11:24] I've tried running X -configure, this kills my video and keyboard... I've tried running xorgsetup, this does the same thing... [11:24] dual 100baset nics [11:24] I've tried inserting a modeline ... this does not change its mind... [11:24] it still thinks 1280x1024 is not valid for some reason [11:25] Camarade_Tux lol no [11:25] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.192) joined ##slackware. [11:25] alisonken1home, wouldn't pay more than 50 bux for those and you'd have to drop them off! [11:26] 1u pizza box even [11:26] also some 2.8G intel xeon dual core wth 2x sata and 2s 100baset [11:26] 2x 100baset [11:27] another open question for the floor: how often do you write your own build scripts, and why? e.g. latest audacity comes with full source. thinking of writing a slackbuild to compile all dep packages so i can test on numerous machines [11:27] mbxcess: http://slackbuilds.org [11:27] thanks mate [11:27] bmxcess: I write my own when slackbuilds doesn't have it. [11:28] there's also sbopkg for a nice ncurses packagetool for slackbuilds.org [11:28] danke. i tend to use this for the dependant binaries [11:28] I guess I could come back to the desktop issue later... anyone know of an ATI radeon xpress 200 driver that works with slack13 and xorg servers, and actually gets past the hangup in the install process where it wont proceed because the xorg version is wrong? [11:28] BP{k}: you mean you wrote half of the slackbuilds on sbo? ;-) [11:29] find myself compiling outside of slackbuilds more often than not [11:29] make a slackbuild for those and make it easy on yourself [11:29] alisonken1home, curuios how much they're looking for on those [11:29] curious [11:29] Camarade_Tux: hah. no :) [11:29] jeev: dunno - but couple hundred +shipping would be a guess [11:30] ech (~meow@unaffiliated/echoes) joined ##slackware. [11:30] couple hundred+ depending rather [11:30] so... if i make a slack build on a 32 bit machine the ARCH var will take care of the rest if i port to 64 yes? [11:30] bmxcess: http://slackbuilds.org/templates/ <-- that'll help you :) [11:31] bmxcess: read the slackbuilds on slackbuilds.org - they show you how to setup for 32 or 64 [11:31] in short, you need to account for $ARCH and $LIBDIR [11:31] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:31] that way it doesn't matter whether your running slack or slack64 [11:31] (except for those pesky binary repackage crap) [11:31] e01_ (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [11:31] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [11:32] e01_ (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:32] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:32] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [11:34] Any idea how can I use Slackware and /home encryption? The major drawback is that i have to login as root, mount and decrypt /home, the login as regular user. [11:34] that is the drawback of encryption [11:34] if it doesn't need a password to mount, then where's the protection [11:34] Azeotrope: add it to your init scripts [11:35] thank you - I'm not new to linux but new to slackware and i'm pretty sure there is no going back [11:35] ardyaa (~ardy@vbox-slack13.kritek.net) joined ##slackware. [11:35] Azeotrope: which encryption stuff are you using [11:36] the hard but is maintaining development versions of stuff outside of slackbuilds - time to contribute i guess [11:36] Azeotrope: just add the mount line rc.local and be done [11:36] GooseYArd: i used this guide [11:36] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0/README_CRYPT.TXT [11:37] straterra: i want something like having the same password for both /home and my user and to automount the partition at login [11:37] Ok? [11:37] adupuis (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [11:37] Add the mount lines to rc.local and type the password in during boot when prompted [11:38] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [11:38] john_dee (~id@95-29-9-151.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [11:38] i think alienbob mentioned he was storing a keyfile on a thumbdrive instead of a password [11:39] straterra: will all the services be functional (ie ssh, ftp etc) before being prompeted to input the pass? [11:39] Yes [11:39] rc.local is the LAST thing to load on boot [11:39] oh, ok [11:41] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [11:42] Blue_Slacker86 (blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left ##slackware. [11:43] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:45] bmxcess (~bmxcess@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:45] http://www.serverwatch.com/trends/article.php/3865716/Top-10-Open-Source-Server-Technologies-You-Need-to-Know.htm [11:46] "10 open source server technologies you need to know" - and lists mono as #2 while java is #10 [11:48] ardyaa (~ardy@vbox-slack13.kritek.net) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet? [11:49] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [11:49] heh [11:52] usr13 (~te@74.113.242.6) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:53] alisonken1home, you think mono should be #2? [11:54] sounds like somebody from oracle bought him a few drinks [11:55] the only mono i've heard about you don't want [11:55] ahah [11:55] you were in bed for 6 weeks after you embraced that technology [11:55] alreadygone: let's just say any technology that relies on microsoft promises should probably be avoided [11:55] these top ten lists drive me insane [11:55] InvaderZim (~rig@unaffiliated/invaderzim) joined ##slackware. [11:55] some freelancer is looking to produce a bunch of column inches [11:56] is there a way to find out which module created an interface, e.g. wlan0 ? [11:56] but he doesnt know enough about any one of those to write the full 500 words on it [11:56] I agree [11:56] so he writes a top 10 list [11:56] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [11:56] Action: slackie hi there \o [11:56] top10 lists were meant to be a joke [11:56] ahah yeah [11:57] i guess they still are [11:57] i for one welcome the death of the print magazine [11:57] I thin kit depends on who is making the list [11:58] comedian: good, freelancer: bad [11:59] Asido (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:01] i wonder which irc channel Joe Stack hung out on [12:02] adupuis (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:03] InvaderZim: /sys/class/net/wlan0/driver I believe [12:03] yes thank you [12:07] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [12:08] Blue_Slacker86 (blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left ##slackware. [12:08] InvaderZim (rig@unaffiliated/invaderzim) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:10] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [12:11] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:12] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) joined ##slackware. [12:12] wescotte_ (1000@wlan-knw-143.imt.uwm.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:13] Is Timing cached reads: 4294 MB in 2.00 seconds = 2149.90 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 80 MB in 3.01 seconds = 26.56 MB/sec really really slow for semi modern core 2 duo notebook? [12:13] manhunter (~manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter) joined ##slackware. [12:15] anyone know if fglrx works with latest kernel from -current? [12:15] gtludwig: yes [12:15] It does work. [12:15] wescotte_: your bottleneck is not your cpu, and yes, it's slow. [12:15] NaCl, really? sweet! [12:16] gtludwig: certain hardware configurations can mess it up, though. [12:16] YMMV. [12:16] gintek_ (~gintek@int218.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:16] ananke: hmm any ideas? perhaps DMA disabled slow? or just crappy HD slow? [12:17] wescotte_: is DMA was off, it would be worse. [12:17] NaCl, I guess I'm about to find it out in after a #slackpkg upgrade-all and #reboot =) [12:17] NaCl: So most likely it's just a kinda crappy HD.. [12:18] wescotte_: could be anything [12:18] and yeah, no dma would result in a much worse performance [12:18] gtludwig: good luck. It should also work on the kernel in 13.0 [12:18] ananke: can you give me a few examples of possible reasons it's that slow w/o being the HD itself.. [12:19] wescotte_: here's a sample hdparm from my laptop, running core2duo proc, almost 4 years old: Timing buffered disk reads: 176 MB in 3.03 seconds = 58.10 MB/sec [12:19] ananke: what's the command to generate that? [12:20] NaCl: hdparm -tT /dev/device [12:20] hdparm -tT /dev/sdX [12:20] NaCl, well, i like to use -current... the only thing that lept me from -current kernel was this box's ati video card [12:20] Very well. [12:20] wescotte_: try another os. see what you get. [12:20] Timing buffered disk reads: 208 MB in 3.02 seconds = 68.98 MB/sec [12:20] so I was using everything on -current, but kernel-* packages from 13 [12:20] My lappy is three years old, HDD was replaced about 6 months ago [12:21] ananke: I thought it was in the 50s before but I could be wrong.. Yeah I'll try Ubuntu or something later when I get home [12:21] mohaa (~nome@188.115.77.133) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:22] I just noticed it acting funny lately.. like if I'm copying a large file EVERYTHING has a drastic performance hit [12:22] hmmm... [12:22] Timing buffered disk reads: 224 MB in 3.00 seconds = 74.58 MB/sec [12:22] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [12:22] wescotte_: I see that too. [12:22] my desktop is >100mb/sec so the 26 seems way slow.. [12:23] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-112-12.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:23] Do a lot of disk activity, and everything seems sluggish [12:23] yeah but more so than normal sluggish.. [12:23] agentc0re (agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [12:23] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [12:23] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:23] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-126-88.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:24] wescotte_: yes. [12:24] I do the same thing in windows, it's much more responsive [12:25] thanks for the help guys [12:25] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [12:25] My desktop goes about 100 MB/s, yeah [12:26] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-60-16.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:27] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [12:28] hmmm, damn, just as i suspected... [12:28] audacious does have some sort of memory leak [12:29] lol i converted one employees computer to slackware. [12:29] all they're doing is bitching [12:29] hehe [12:29] cause they dont know how to add a bookmakr into firefox [12:30] how i can add bluetooth to startup [12:30] ctrl+D? :P [12:31] Blue_Slacker86: you need to read the slackbook [12:31] wescotte_ (1000@wlan-knw-143.imt.uwm.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:31] NaCl: oh , tnx [12:31] NaCl++ [12:31] so if i want slack to immediately go into kde, i should change runlevel to 4 ? [12:31] yes [12:32] cool [12:32] Blue_Slacker86 (blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:34] i didn't even put flash, maybe i should. [12:34] na it's ok [12:34] although it's just a E4500, 2gb.. shouldn't have put 64bit [12:34] why not? [12:35] what's the point [12:35] you can expand the memory later :P [12:35] jeev: its a bit faster [12:36] i have an E6700 here in the office and an E5200 at home... i just use 32-bit 'cause i'm paranoid about going multilib [12:36] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) joined ##slackware. [12:36] not worth the bit faster and the memory expansion [12:37] NaCl: it broke up! =( [12:37] ech (~meow@unaffiliated/echoes) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:37] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:37] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) left irc: Client Quit [12:37] As I said, YMMV. [12:38] ech (~meow@unaffiliated/echoes) joined ##slackware. [12:39] manwich-laptop (~chatzilla@173-113-191-50.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [12:39] i'm hoping in the next year or two, i'll be able to get everything in 64-bit [12:39] then i won't have to worry about multilib [12:40] agris_ (~agris@mail.biko.lv) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:40] is there a real advantage to 64bit if the apps aren't optimized to use it? [12:40] hoobop: ability to address more than 4GB of memory for each process. [12:40] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:41] ananke -- yeah, that would be an advantage; just wondering if it is worth it overall [12:41] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:42] I can encode DVD's about 30-40% quicker, that's good enough for me [12:42] AcEg33k (~prashant@122.167.254.29) joined ##slackware. [12:42] mohaa (~nome@188.115.77.133) joined ##slackware. [12:43] hoobop: it's easier to install 64 bit now, than to upgrade your installation later on, when you finally need it :) [12:43] Action: ananke just upgraded his laptop yesterday from 32 bit to 64 bit linux [12:43] thrice -- good point; a list of realworld advantages (addressing mem, faster rips, etc) would be nice [12:43] even with only 2gb of memory, it's a free performance boost, I don't see why one wouldn't [12:45] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-214-191.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [12:45] ech (~meow@unaffiliated/echoes) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:46] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [12:46] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [12:46] hello everyone [12:46] ech (~meow@unaffiliated/echoes) joined ##slackware. [12:47] need help in configuring sound [12:47] what sound card are you using? [12:48] and is it ALSA that you want to configure? [12:48] hoobop: and the good news is that the state of 64 bit linux is much better than it was even two years ago. it's very usable for most end user installations [12:48] that was what i was wondering, ananke [12:48] it's intel hda [12:48] ananke: I confirm your statement. [12:49] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:49] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-176-176.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] Intel hda? [12:50] yes [12:50] that's it? [12:50] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-214-191.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:50] ich9 family [12:50] You probably need to just configure alsa [12:50] it's not working [12:50] do you get any errors when you try to play audio? [12:51] sound does't come at all at the time of playing [12:51] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [12:52] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [12:52] have you gone through the alsaconfig thing, AcEg33k? [12:52] manhunter (~manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:52] you may have it muted, etc [12:52] hoobop: yes, i have done that [12:52] i have unmuted all the channels [12:53] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:53] are you SURE it's an intel? When I run alsoconfig, it says I'm using an intel hd, but I'm really using an ati sound device [12:53] Cann0n: lspci -vv ? [12:54] yeah, identifying the hardware first would seem the way to go [12:55] yeah, it's an ATI sound device... [12:55] Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc R700 Audio Device [12:55] Ah. [12:56] I just thought of something. I haven't even test audio on this setup since I reinstalled [12:56] gunna hop on X [12:56] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:57] sound doesn't comes in default 2.6.29 kernel provided in slackware 13 disk for me [12:57] however,, if i upgrade the kernel, it works [12:58] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [12:59] "upgrade the kernel"? [12:59] to what? [12:59] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [12:59] 2.6.32.8! [12:59] lol [13:00] lol\ [13:00] Guest2183 (~phoffmann@187.23.187.250) joined ##slackware. [13:00] alguem sabe onde ficam os logs do e17? [13:00] gesundheit [13:00] Nick change: Guest2183 -> Bagualas_ [13:00] Guest2183, no [13:00] to 2.6.30 and above [13:00] and then it works? [13:00] yes [13:01] it should work with what you have [13:01] i don't know, it is not working with that [13:01] so use a newer kernel [13:01] today , i did a fresh install and again same problem [13:01] well, you seem to have found a working solution [13:02] yes, but the thing is newer kernels are having some problem with ati graphics cards [13:02] works or me. [13:02] *for [13:02] hi folks, i am trying to enable 32bits in my S64, there are pkgs recommended by users for this? [13:02] i found this http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/13.0/ [13:02] well, try searching some forums about that sound card. [13:02] ah... ATI "we can't write a driver to save our souls" GPU [13:02] ovnicraft: use that [13:02] that's a different problem [13:03] hoobop: it works fine for me most of the time [13:03] NaCl, ok [13:03] It's much better than it used to be. [13:03] when i am upgrading to newer kernel, sound works but desktop effects are gone and it says kwin is unstable [13:03] i_is_cat (~i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:03] You need to make sure that you also upgrade the driver [13:03] is there a program that will back up my system to an iso so when i reinstall i dont have to configure everything again? [13:04] Nacl: i tried that one also [13:04] you can make an image, i_is_cat [13:04] hmmm anyone have mathematica installed? [13:04] http://www.dict.cc/ ok does that site with sounds work for you ? [13:04] Necos: glhf [13:05] ? [13:05] glhf? [13:05] good luck have fun. :P [13:05] lol [13:05] I tried setting up matlab once, that was a mess that only worked for like an hoour [13:05] >.> [13:05] *hour [13:05] i used matlab in linux to do my final project in math physics... [13:06] bitod we use abv. atttob. iirc there are many [13:06] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: Bye [13:06] Necos: you probably didn't have to do some arcane stuff to get a license working [13:06] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [13:06] it was just a file [13:06] Necos: no site license or anything? [13:07] I mean, you were *on-site* [13:07] I wasn't. That was an exercise in ssh tunnel fail. [13:07] Action: NaCl stops talking [13:07] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-141-3.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:08] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-222-87.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:08] Sorry for being rude/confusing. [13:08] xxx232 (xxx@188.24.34.49) joined ##slackware. [13:08] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:08] would dd work? could i just mount an nfs share and dd my partitions across? or would doing a dd to restore it not allow it to boot and such..? [13:09] xxx232 (xxx@188.24.34.49) left irc: Client Quit [13:11] i_is_cat, are you familiar with partimage? [13:11] nope [13:11] there are some advantages and disadvantages to using it [13:11] but it images only the used sectors [13:11] (smaller image as a result) [13:12] i dont care so much about my personal files.. im in the process of backing them up now i just want all the settings and such [13:12] night [13:12] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.198.6) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:12] it took me a number of hours to get this netbook setup the way i like and i dont want to have to spend forever doing it again after i get it back from repair :/ [13:12] partimage will produce a good restore image [13:12] you can use that [13:12] edman007_ (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [13:12] and i agree, having to reset everything just so is a pita [13:12] cool i'll check it out ty [13:13] systemrescuecd [13:13] ^^ google that [13:13] and download the cd [13:13] it's a good toolkit [13:13] mohaa (~nome@188.115.77.133) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [13:13] i dont have a usb cd or dvd drive so i'm sort of limited [13:13] ah yeah, that is limited [13:14] vulcan mindmeld might be worth a shot given you're short on hardware [13:14] (sorry, joke -- couldn't help myself) [13:14] AcEg33k (~prashant@122.167.254.29) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:15] hehe well maybe i can get the thing to boot from a cd shared through nfs or something.. i never tried that before [13:15] systemrescuecd / partimage will work over network; you must have a cd burner on something [13:16] i do have a burner but its on my desktop/server i guess its more a server since i got this netbook hehe [13:21] AcEg33k (~prashant@122.167.254.29) joined ##slackware. [13:21] ok, got the sound to work [13:22] nice AcEg33k! [13:22] what did you do? [13:23] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.70.73) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:23] added the following to /etc/modprobe.d/sound [13:23] don't post in channel [13:23] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.70.73) joined ##slackware. [13:23] i get it [13:23] pastebin is your friend. [13:24] no, it was just one line [13:24] option snd-hda-intel model=dell-m6 [13:24] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) joined ##slackware. [13:25] not too long to get it to pastebin:) [13:25] ;) [13:25] hoobop: but now other problem [13:25] hmmm... such as? [13:25] hoobop: system is not detecting my ac plug [13:26] hoobop: however, the charging led is glowing [13:26] i'm lost AcEg33k; what do you mean? [13:26] oh [13:26] okay, i understand [13:27] hoobop: any solution to this? [13:27] what, exactly isn't detecting your power setup? [13:27] kde? [13:27] yes, kde [13:28] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:28] the panel icons are still showing on battery [13:28] so you would want to configure klaptop [13:28] hoobop: ok [13:28] hoobop: klaptop was in KDE 3. KDE 4 is default now [13:29] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:29] FYI [13:29] i'm using kde4 now [13:29] edman007_ (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Quit: edman007_ [13:29] sorry, i'm still on 3.x [13:29] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:29] NaCl, can you point the way? [13:30] If KDE can't see the fact that your system has power, it may not be detecting acpi or something. [13:30] Or HAL can't see stuff. [13:30] shoul i try restarting hal? [13:30] I don't know. [13:31] AcEg33k: did you do a full install? [13:31] ok, i'm givin it a try [13:31] yes, full install [13:31] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. 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[13:58] please [14:00] damn these internet outages [14:00] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:02] btw, anyone running flam3 here? (makes nice images : http://exper.3drecursions.com/apo/its_not_art_1.jpg / http://i.techrepublic.com.com/gallery/33278-500-375.jpg ) [14:03] tried to. [14:03] Eh. [14:03] No, I didn't. [14:04] ananke: hmm, nice util, but I don't see anything mentioning the sangoma card [14:04] mishehu: crossreference it with lspci [14:04] Ugh, sangoma [14:04] I hope to god you aren't using it for a T1 [14:04] straterra: what's the matter with sangoma? [14:05] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:05] it's an a101d (has hwec) [14:05] If you aren't using it for a T1..nothing [14:05] It was used in FreeSWITCH [14:05] so not using that zaphell crap [14:05] is it possible to know the most visited website for this week? [14:05] it was in wanpipe mode [14:05] errr what do they call that [14:05] TDM API? [14:05] manhunter: what? [14:06] mishehu: We used to have a linux server as a central router with 2 sangoma cards in it for all of the T1's.. [14:06] ananke: what do I need to match to lspci output? [14:06] the memory range? [14:06] the pci id [14:06] Basically, any time we wanted to bring up/down a T1, it would down them all [14:06] hmm [14:06] hba (hba@148.208.237.69) joined ##slackware. [14:07] mishehu: actually, check lspci -v and -vv [14:07] Camarade_Tux: what is that? it makes these images? [14:09] Immundus (obi@e179128078.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware ("signing off"). [14:11] agentc0re: yes [14:12] and it's pretty cpu-intensive [14:12] AcEg33k (~prashant@122.167.254.29) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:12] shyko_ (~shyko@187.39.212.183) joined ##slackware. [14:12] [OT] simple but nice articles, http://www.webdotdev.com/nvd/gadgets/list/articles-reviews/simplesearch,slackware/ [14:12] shyko_ (~shyko@187.39.212.183) left irc: Client Quit [14:12] Camarade_Tux: is there a SBo? [14:13] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:13] agentc0re: it's in xap/electrisheep* [14:13] I wrote a small GUI that makes a low-quality version you to preview and decide if you want to make a higher-quality version, thought some could be interested in it [14:13] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:14] (well, I've almost written it ;-) ) [14:14] Camarade_Tux: whoa... where do i start to figure out how to use this thing? :D man....flam3-render ? [14:15] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [14:15] is there any blog for slackware linux [14:15] agentc0re: actually, you have to make a "genome" first (it uses a genetic algorithm) and then, you use flam3-render on it [14:15] goarilla (~goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) joined ##slackware. [14:15] agentc0re: slackware64? [14:15] Camarade_Tux: yup. [14:15] pfff my slack box aka router locks up sometimes [14:16] usually under high load, without leaving anything in the logs not even alt-sysrq works [14:16] goarilla: what's causing the high load? [14:16] sarkoman (~sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) joined ##slackware. [14:16] Probably needs more meory. Do you have any swap space? [14:16] what about iptables -vnL [14:16] manhunter, *official slackware linux blog* -> http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 [14:16] depends agentc0re [14:16] some scripts of mine recently [14:16] agentc0re: can give you an incomplete binary of my gui [14:17] or pushing lots of data through samba or sshfs [14:17] (I had a nice shell script but I lost it =/ [ think it got corrupted ]) [14:17] but it's not consistent i can not reproduce it [14:17] i could move like TB's of data now without probs [14:17] goarilla: what are the machine spec's? [14:17] goarilla, make sure you got syncookies enabled [14:17] 600 mhz celeron, 896 mb ram [14:18] echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syncookies [14:18] mm [14:18] its disabled tho [14:18] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-176-176.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] i used sysctl to enable it [14:19] dont like to meddle in proc if there's not a user space tool for it [14:19] there is a* [14:19] yeah, you might be using up memory with all those connections [14:19] is it a known issue ? [14:20] yes, its usually the result of a synflood [14:20] shouldn't the OOM ? handle that or at least arise ? [14:20] they make a bunch of half open connections [14:20] or is it because it is kernel memory and it doesn't touch it [14:20] they never respond the syn-ack [14:20] yeah but [14:20] the slack box is a nat router [14:20] behind another nat router [14:20] yeah the table just grows [14:20] i dont have active attacks [14:21] are you running bandwidth monitoring on it? [14:21] well i shouldn't have [14:21] i'm saying thats whats typical [14:21] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] i take a look at some gkrellm graphs from time to time :D [14:21] you're opening alot of connections and could be running out of space from that [14:21] well we'll see [14:21] yesterday it crashed after 9 days of uptime [14:21] previously it was 17 [14:22] It's not only invalid connections that cause DOS attacks. [14:22] yeah but still [14:22] no, but i was talking about syncookies [14:22] it hardlocks [14:22] caps and scroll locks blink [14:22] sysrq does not [14:22] ssh doesn't respond, well doh [14:23] even if it was connected prior? [14:23] yes connections timeout [14:23] broken pipe errors [14:24] ok, see if you can tail the syslogs in an ssh window [14:24] i did that after every reboot [14:25] even added kern.* /var/log/syslog; without an - in the front to have it write every damn thing it logs [14:25] but nothing absolutely nothing [14:25] they might not be written [14:25] i'm thinking it could be a strange ram issue [14:25] but they could be echo'd on the ssh window [14:25] or a failing of the disk subsystem [14:25] well, it could just have vm start reaping [14:25] yeah but the screen goes freeze* [14:26] and it kills things rather indescriminately [14:26] they say it uses logic, but i couldn't tell [14:26] and the caps lock and scroll lock blink ? [14:26] because in my book that's a damn hard lock [14:26] i usually see something like: [14:27] __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0x1d2/0) [14:27] VM: killing process httpd [14:27] yeah [14:27] i've seen it before [14:27] was running a 256 mb ram system 2 years back :D [14:27] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:27] thats hardcore out of memory [14:27] without swap at some times [14:27] and the kernel is taking the machete to everything [14:28] i would too in that situation [14:28] it's the end of the line [14:28] Do you have swap on your router? [14:28] so need to find out wheres your memory going [14:28] and i rather would like it to kill everything then to kill one [14:28] and wait [14:28] but if it kills your bash, you won't see nufin [14:28] and let the user experience swap like hell ... till the point he would rather press the reset button [14:29] yes i do jkwood [14:29] 4 GIG's [14:29] but it is this box [14:29] i'm screening/irssing/X+ssh'ing this to my laptop [14:30] Interesting. [14:30] goarilla: what is goarilla ? is it like monkey? [14:30] all them could get killed [14:30] useris (~useris@88.118.126.178) joined ##slackware. [14:30] don't tell him [14:30] or he'll come after you [14:30] he's just looking for new prey [14:30] i think i'm just gonna buy 2 * 512 sd ram [14:30] hba (hba@148.208.237.69) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [14:31] it must be something hw and my ram is an ugly mix of what i could find [14:31] swap don't help as much as you'd expect [14:31] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp78-238.redrover.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:31] Have you tested the ram with memtest, out of curiosity? [14:31] i wouldn't think it would even swap out connection tables [14:32] Trying to use a bad spot in the ram could cause OOM-like conditions. [14:32] yes short test was ok 45 mins, i let it run for a night and it hung [14:32] mohaa (~nome@188.115.77.133) joined ##slackware. [14:32] ooh [14:32] i think thats what happens [14:32] one of them memory sticks is a mine field [14:32] hello, I have slackware 13.0 and compiz 0.78 installed, but when i try to run ccsm i get: no module named compizconfig found.. where could be a problem since i have installed compizconfig-phyton and all the other necessary libs? [14:32] yeah thats why i'm considering new ram [14:32] touch that addy and kablam [14:32] yeah but very subtle [14:32] since it works [14:33] for several days [14:33] its prolly at one of the higher addys [14:33] that rarely touched [14:33] useris: why did you install compiz? it's not needed with kde [14:33] That reminds me, I need to set up my fancy 3d features. [14:34] alisonken1home, what do you mean not needed? i want a cube effect and some more,i use kde 3.5 [14:35] cube is metacity and gnome no ? [14:35] or beryl [14:35] KDE 3.5 in Slackware 13? [14:35] i think so [14:35] in extra/ probably [14:35] or unsupported [14:35] useris: if you're running slackware13 then kde4 is the default [14:35] KDE 4 has a cube. Compiz also has a cube. [14:35] kde 4 is way too slow [14:35] cube is part of kde4 [14:36] IF KDE 4 is slow, then Compiz will be even worse. [14:36] which one was first / [14:36] They both depend on 3d acceleration. [14:36] Compiz was first. [14:36] whatever happened to xgl [14:37] kde4 uses much more mem and cpu [14:37] On a machine with 3d acceleration, KDE 4 is actually faster than KDE 3.5 by a large margin. Without 3d acceleration, 3.5 wins. [14:37] seriously that's pretty cool [14:37] I tested it with a livecd. [14:37] and is there a prerequisite for 3d acceleration [14:37] kde4 killed kpdf and kedit :( [14:37] like intel integrated and above will do ? [14:37] goarilla: are you operator for this channel? [14:38] goarilla: drivers that work [14:38] Okular is hawt, and kate is a nicer text editor. [14:38] what me ? noooo people don't trust me for that [14:38] kate is not bad and okular works for pdf's [14:38] Anything that will support 3d acceleration. Intel should work fine. [14:38] both are not as simplistic as the previous. I just use kwrite now, not kate [14:38] i just hoped kate will implement vim mode and not only vi mode [14:38] kate is more text-like than kwrite [14:38] hrm, really? [14:39] Heh... I use gvim most of the time myself. [14:39] yeah me too [14:39] ew. kate has more clunky stuff. kwrite is much more minimal [14:39] kate is kedit on steroids, but still plain text. kwrite is a different animal alltogether [14:39] syntax highlighting is so much nicer in gvim than console vim [14:39] vim is good [14:39] kwrite is supposed to be a typewriter [14:39] I use vim and kwrite.. I plan on getting more fluent in vim to just stop using kwrite [14:39] oops - my mistake. it had been a while since I used kwrite [14:40] yeah, you might be thinking of something else, or a previous kwrite [14:40] targetting abiword, oo and office [14:40] kde4 kwrite looks pretty much like kedit did [14:40] which is better, kwrite or kate? [14:40] one more letter to type [14:40] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-28-248.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:40] same widgets different function [14:40] manhunter: open them both up and look [14:41] yeah - I was thnking kword [14:41] sorry [14:41] need something to type write or need something to edit code, ascii tet ? [14:41] got kwrite and kword mixed up [14:41] yeah, kword is a mess.. I don't use that [14:41] how to install kate? [14:42] AbsTradELic (1000@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [14:42] if i do kate from terminal [14:42] nothing happens [14:42] kate [14:42] slackpkg install kate [14:42] useris: if you're running slackware13, then unless you backed out qt4 and kde4, you're running kde4.2 [14:42] doesn't work [14:42] does anyone use kde4 on a slow pc like p4 or smth? cuz on my celeron 2.6ghz 2gb ram it is very slow despite the fx5200 [14:42] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: lalala [14:42] manhunter: kate popped up a window asking what session I wanted to use for me [14:42] if that's the case, I would recommend you upgrade to slackware-current and get the newer kde (4.3 I believe) and it should be better [14:43] i replaced qt4 kde4 wit previous kde version 3.5 [14:43] useris: I use slack13 on a 5 year old laptop, but I use fluxbox.. I just use a couple kde apps [14:43] and kde4 does have the cube - you just have to make sure you're using the accelerated video driver to get decent performance from it like compiz [14:43] bash: kate: command not found [14:43] raendeer: [14:43] what's the command to instlal kate [14:43] ? [14:44] slackpkg install kate , doesn't work [14:44] ill try 4.3, maybe it has improved [14:44] I use slack13/kde4.2 on an 8y/o laptop and it runs fine with the cube [14:44] manhunter: one of the kde packages.. base or utils or something [14:44] and it only has 1g ram [14:44] manhunter: google for kde kate and look for what kde package it's in [14:44] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:44] don't have to google - just check /var/log/packages [14:45] kate is part of kde-apps or base [14:45] alisonken1home: p4 or p3 [14:45] alisonken1home, what kind of laptop it is? what cpu does it have? [14:45] kdeaccessibility-4.2.4-i486-1 [14:45] kdeadmin-4.2.4-i486-1 [14:45] kdebase-4.2.4-i486-1 [14:45] Channel flood from manhunter -- kicking [14:45] kdebase-runtime-4.2.4-i486-2 [14:45] kdebase-workspace-4.2.4-i486-1 [14:45] manhunter kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [14:46] manhunter (~manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter) joined ##slackware. [14:46] HAHA [14:46] oops [14:46] useris: hp pavilion from about 8 years ago [14:46] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.153.147) joined ##slackware. [14:46] it's in the car atm [14:47] 1024x768 on a 15" screen [14:47] 1.2G intel chip IIRC [14:47] i wrote a script could somebody comment on it [14:47] goarilla: yes i can [14:47] goarilla: where is that script? [14:47] hrm, what's the command to show the proc again? I know conky is reading low [14:48] ps [14:48] or top [14:48] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [14:48] er, sorry. meant cpu stat.. not in lspci [14:48] http://pastebin.ca/1802964 [14:49] cpustat? [14:49] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [14:49] if you want to know what your cpu is: "cat /proc/cpuinfo" [14:49] there we go. this one has a 2ghz pentium m [14:49] it shift srt subtitles [14:50] cpu mhz is sitting at 800mhz, though.. lazy thing [14:50] it's a rap of shell cause perl would be the tool for the job but my expect a few perl one liner my perl suck and my scripting is mediocre at best [14:50] rape* [14:51] sorry i seem to be a little dyslectic atm [14:51] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.192) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [14:52] janemba (~back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:52] janemba (~back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] we love dylsexians! [14:53] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.25) joined ##slackware. [14:53] we like turtles [14:54] erroneous_ (~chatzilla@146-115-22-108.c3-0.wtr-ubr3.sbo-wtr.ma.static.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [14:55] ehehe ente you got that from greek no ? [14:56] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [14:56] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Client Quit [14:56] Hello, here is a newbie question and I will appreciate your help. I am installing slackware 13.0 and if I dont install the N series package does that mean that i wnt be able to connect the server to any kind of a network? [14:56] if you skip the N serires, you will have serious network issues [14:57] on that machine [14:57] depends cifs mounting is kernel side now [14:57] aaah :D [14:57] ok thanks for the help [14:57] s/serious network issues/no network [14:57] I was asking because I only need the basic linux system nthing else [14:57] a/ap/n/l I believe are the minimum series for a working slackware [14:58] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: go home! [14:58] L are system libraries needed by KDE gnome and X [14:58] is what is says [14:58] and if you want to pare it down, you could probably go through the l series and selectively not install some (like qt and gtk) [14:59] aha [15:00] there are others in there as well, shared-mime is used by some cli programs, zlib, slang, berkely db, and some others [15:00] halcon (~halcon@S0106002275466fa5.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:01] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [15:01] erroneous_, why? are you using a machine with limited storage? [15:02] (i have experience with those) [15:02] useris (~useris@88.118.126.178) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:02] yes [15:03] its is a very old server and we need it for backup [15:03] so the sys admin asked me to set it up with min [15:03] ;inux distrib [15:04] oh ok server, nevermind [15:04] my experience is with netbooks with small storage [15:04] ah i c [15:04] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422030.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [15:05] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422030.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:05] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [15:08] Lafy (~matt@CPE000fcb36ca0d-CM00122540231e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [15:09] Naraku (~supergear@c-98-245-59-115.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] hi [15:10] acidtripper (~gonzalo@190.193.18.19) joined ##slackware. [15:11] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:11] anyone know of any network switches that run an open source moddable OS? [15:11] goarilla: greek? huh? [15:12] the show [15:12] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:12] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:12] Lafy: the question would be: why [15:12] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [15:15] so that i can alter the way that the switch operates and run scripts on interface up... it all relates to NAT, my impression is that switches dont usually have nat capabilities unless they're sold as routers, and 16 or 24 port routers aren't exactly common [15:16] well, there's a reason it's a "switch" :) [15:16] I'm stuck on a ppc mac :/ [15:16] Lafy: switches don't do IP. hence, the question is irrelevant [15:16] doesn't dd-wrt, tomato, etc do that kinda crap? [15:16] right, but it still has a processor and a whack of ethernet ports. i need something with a ton of ports that can do NAT (not PAT) [15:16] Lafy: ethernet, yes. not IP. [15:16] dd-wrt, openwrt, tomato, yes [15:17] lafy: switches work below the IP level [15:17] Lafy: if you need to NAT 16 different devices differently, set up the appropriate iptables rules [15:17] a store and forward switch should be capable of altering the packets to perform NAT on them [15:17] and if you have more than 12 ports on it, you better have a heftier processor setup if you want nat at the same time [15:17] manwich-laptop (~chatzilla@173-113-191-50.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:17] Lafy: no. [15:18] adaptr: that's not a very useful response [15:18] Lafy: it's the answer to your "statement". [15:18] nat takes dpi as well [15:18] in order to make non nat protocols work properly [15:18] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:19] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-176-176.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:19] assume i dont need "non nat protocols" [15:19] like ftp or irc? [15:19] well, a switch doesn't work at the higher layer that's needed for nat [15:19] i'm literally just looking to switch the source/destination ip [15:19] that's right, i dont need ftp or irc [15:19] since nat is used in IPV4/6 [15:20] and a switch works at layer 2 [15:20] yes, but you also have to change it in the packet header and switch it back and forth [15:20] you're saying there's no layer 3 switches? [15:20] Lafy: yes, there are. [15:20] you also have to keep track of your changes for the return trip [15:20] nat != forwarding/bridging/switching [15:20] Lafy: a layer 3 switch would be a "router" [15:20] i had a layer 3 switch. [15:21] i had a 3 layer sandwich [15:21] a bigmac [15:21] Lafy: it was a cisco 3560G-T (iirc) [15:21] club sandwich [15:21] nah - peanut butter, egg, mayo, and ham 3-layer sandwitch [15:21] oh noes [15:21] my stomach would leave my body if i ate that [15:22] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:22] it's actually pretty good [15:22] and the pb gives it extra protein [15:22] i'd have to be really drunk and stoned and prolly some other stuff too before i could try one [15:22] wow.. that would gross me out [15:22] I feel the same way about sea food [15:22] i'd have to be hallucinating it was something else i think [15:23] i can see the egg,ham and mayo, but wheres the pb come from [15:24] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:24] a jar [15:25] i think there would be a violent reaction from mixing peanut butter and mayo [15:25] ask Elvis [15:26] he's not a good example [15:26] considering how he died [15:27] peanut butter, mayo and...heroin? [15:28] unless it was sleeping piplls [15:28] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:28] pipls [15:28] no, he crapped out, so to speak [15:28] cause his gut was clogged with peanut butter, bacon and banannas or something as nasty [15:28] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:29] lol [15:29] Action: Skywise prays to die in a dignified manner [15:30] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp78-238.redrover.cornell.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:32] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [15:32] Greetings Programs [15:33] mattallmill (~mattallmi@ip68-103-163-24.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Konversation terminated! [15:33] mattallmill (~mattallmi@ip68-103-163-24.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:34] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:34] jonsmith1982 (~jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:34] makes me feel better about that bacon, cheese and egg fried sammich I just had. [15:34] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:35] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [15:35] m sounds good [15:35] its the peanut butter that gets ya in the end [15:35] Action: NyteOwl offers Bushmill's Black for them as lieks [15:35] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:35] PB is actually good for you [15:35] s/lieks/likes/ [15:36] jonsmith1982 (~jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:36] I have a Black Bush [15:36] it's okay [15:36] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-216-102.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:37] Naraku (~supergear@c-98-245-59-115.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:37] Bushmill's is nice in egg nog instead of rum [15:37] NyteOwl: i wish i could get egg nog still :/ [15:37] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-23-125.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:37] agentc0re: I make my own [15:37] hello [15:37] hi [15:38] hi nyRednek [15:38] it's easy to make [15:38] NyteOwl * sorry [15:38] s'ok lol I've done the same with tab-complete [15:39] isBEKaml (keml@122.174.153.147) left ##slackware. [15:39] so no comments on my script ? [15:39] agentc0re: want the recipe? it's dead easy. all you need is a blender or mixer [15:39] you can do it by hand just a bit more effort [15:40] NyteOwl: sure. that'd be awesome! [15:40] NyteOwl: you should be banned no need to disclose food that is so good and unhealthy it would make you obese [15:40] LOL [15:40] just don't whip it too much, or you end up with three gallons of eggnog fluff. [15:41] That's what she said. [15:41] agentc0re: /j slackware-offtopic [15:41] im already there [15:41] hmm wat is the channel name again - seems I emssed it up [15:41] eggnog fluff is so off-topic! [15:42] hehe [15:42] ##slackware-offtopic [15:42] i wish i could get fat, i've never been it [15:42] ok, I forget a # [15:42] sure i have a booze-belly [15:43] i imagine you can role down a hill more easily [15:43] git some whacky idea's for that [15:43] it's got bears in it [15:45] what [15:45] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-51-121.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:45] bears [15:45] oh [15:45] elephants would be better tho [15:45] but they don't role so good [15:46] their tusks get in the way [15:46] water buffalo! [15:47] no no no we need them for mozarilla ... after the ordeal [15:49] will that at least be televised? [15:50] don't know all the major networks have declined it [15:50] acidtripper (~gonzalo@190.193.18.19) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:50] i think it's more a circus act tho [15:50] they rejected the revolution too [15:50] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:50] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-216-102.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:50] the music is more appropriate [15:50] ta tatatatatata ta attatattatatataaa [15:51] tumtumtum tutum tutumtuumm tutututututumtummmmmm [15:52] i apologise now i will shut up :D [15:52] i was wondering how you were hearing what i was listening too [15:53] AbsTradELic (1000@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [15:58] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [16:00] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-141-3.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:00] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) joined ##slackware. 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[16:14] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [16:16] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:17] hey now - peanut butter is good [16:17] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:18] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:20] crackers with peanut butter and hon/ey - yummm [16:21] oh sure, i like pb and j [16:21] but thats it, no mayo! [16:21] peanut-butter-jel-ly! peanut-butter-jel-ly! [16:21] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:21] peanutbutterjelly peanutbutterjelly [16:22] I can not get that insipid web clip out of my head [16:22] haha [16:22] i like peanut butter cups [16:23] ech (~meow@unaffiliated/echoes) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:23] someone tell me why copying files to a usb device is running at 5KB/s??? [16:24] that's dial up speed.... [16:24] what sort of device? [16:24] thumb drive [16:24] usb2, positive? [16:24] yeah [16:24] because they are slow [16:24] it used to work fast all the time [16:24] no write buffering? [16:24] don't think so [16:24] i haven't change anything [16:24] can you try another drive? [16:24] 42 days remaining... [16:25] yeah it's all drives [16:25] tried both 4 gigs and a 1 gig [16:25] spiko (1000@89-212-140-150.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [16:25] you might find cp command is faster than gui copying [16:25] Cann0n, because they're slow [16:25] tried that too [16:25] he's saying its slower then it used to be [16:26] Delahunt: sheee. copying files does not have to be 5KB/s [16:26] strange [16:26] I could download all those files on dial up at the same speed [16:26] are you using the same port? [16:26] i've tried all 3 [16:26] maybe you can try a different one [16:26] even on the back? [16:26] doesnt have one on the back [16:27] seriously... i'm thinking about just downloading everything [16:28] have you rebooted since it went bad? [16:28] i Have 20+ gigs to copy at this speed lol [16:28] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-221-159.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:28] yep [16:28] check you syslog [16:28] 20 GB to a thumb drive? [16:28] no a 4 gig [16:28] see what it said when mounting your device [16:29] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:29] acidtripper (~gonzalo@190.193.18.19) joined ##slackware. [16:29] there might be something about what speed etc its being used at [16:29] i'm not sure if lsusb will [16:30] Cann0n: In Slackware? [16:30] jkwood: yeah slack13 [16:30] plugged into a usb 1.1 slot? [16:30] Interesting. [16:30] says it's running at top speed, then says not running at top speed [16:30] it's usb 2 [16:31] but maybe it's only registering 1.1 [16:31] I've always had better luck copying files to usb using something like SystemRescueCD or Slax, myself. [16:31] dmesg [16:31] Alleviates file writes and reads from the OS. [16:31] Cann0n, don't you use a slackware-like distro? [16:31] why don't you bug them for support? [16:31] on this laptop, in which runs at about 2.5MB/s [16:32] The preblem i'm having is on my other computer, which is running Slackware 13... [16:32] The shitty attitude isn't needed. [16:33] and its friday [16:33] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E26F2.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:33] any more hostilities and someone is getting my pina colada smashed on their head [16:34] Skywise: Angry because people aren't loving enough? [16:34] its just the wrong way to start the weekend [16:34] I'm not allowed to be "shitty" about people using $shitty_distro_based_on_slack and expecting support in here? that's half the reason I stay here :) [16:34] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:34] thrice`: you can't read can you... [16:35] hm, maybe I can't [16:35] thrice`s other reason is for the chicks. [16:35] Action: Cann0n face palms. [16:35] :) [16:35] lol all of three? [16:35] thats better [16:35] where? [16:35] and they're all taken? :) [16:35] nix_chix0r is one... but she has a wee-one running around [16:36] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.153.147) joined ##slackware. [16:36] thrice` isn't good with kids... obviously he has anger issues. [16:36] OT: agentc0re@learnix.net [16:36] damn it [16:36] *siugh* [16:36] Cann0n, but i lost my wedding ring so am i still married? [16:36] Cann0n, no need to be rude; my question was a fair one [16:36] lol nix_chix0r, how'd you do that? [16:37] bad poker night? [16:37] since when did thrice have a conscience? [16:37] flew out the window=( driving [16:37] nix_chix0r: well, we made a deal a few years ago... soon as I start making 7 digits, you're mine... [16:37] flicked a cigarette [16:37] sorry, f' you Cann0n [16:37] O P220 Super Match or Gold Cup Trophy? [16:37] Action: nix_chix0r hangs head in shame [16:37] !! [16:37] s/thrice/cann0n [16:37] OT: P220 Super Match or Gold Cup Trophy? [16:37] lol [16:37] nix_chix0r :( [16:37] nix_chix0r, how fast were you going? [16:37] you should stop smoking then! [16:38] meh 55, it flew into a snow bank on the highway so who knows where it is [16:38] doh [16:38] loose fitting ring? >.> [16:38] very loose [16:38] 55? [16:38] Action: NyteOwl can't drive 55 [16:38] when i was pregnant my fingers were swollen [16:38] too slow :p [16:38] thrice` does have a conscience. He no longer has a Macbook, after all. [16:38] sigh. this is bullshit. it peaks at 1.7BM/s, then drops down to 4KB/s for 20 seconds [16:38] [16:39] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:39] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:39] jkwood: hehe, i was actually reffering to Cann0n though that _is_ a good point. [16:39] mrselfpwn: you should see my collect of shrunken heads. [16:40] i'd like that [16:40] powerbook 100 ftw [16:40] nix_chix0r, how come you didn't get it refit? [16:40] :D [16:40] meh [16:40] cause she's gonna make more kids [16:40] i duno [16:40] NyteOwl: what do you want to do with it? [16:40] just something i didnt think about [16:41] they don't make stretch wedding rings yet [16:41] ring was always falling off [16:41] pawend it huh? [16:41] give it a few weeks, it may end up in our pawn shops [16:41] small town [16:41] GooseYArd: recreational target, maybe IDPA [16:41] ... 14B/s............ [16:41] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-23-125.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [16:42] lol [16:42] slow down man, your bits are gonna go flyin all over at that rate [16:42] how fast does it go if you don't monitor it [16:42] you can also shoot bullseye/conventional with a 1911 pistol so thats what id get [16:42] and there are a lot more smiths to accurize a colt than a sig [16:43] Skywise: beats me... i'm affraid look away [16:43] I have I have a Colt 1911 already. It's just reaching an age and sentimental value I want to retire it [16:43] Cann0n, it would probably faster if you fixed it [16:43] yeah, it peaked a 2.2MB/s [16:43] I like 1911's [16:44] dive: i have no idea how to fix it [16:44] IceChant (~icechant@94.159.190.156) joined ##slackware. [16:44] at first, i thought it was a format issue, so i formated the usb drive [16:44] I'de like a steel frame commander but can;'t find one up here :( [16:44] hmm or maybe the thumb drive on it's last legs [16:44] Cann0n, which fs? [16:44] dive: it's only a few monts old. [16:44] fat32 [16:45] er try just fat [16:45] that's what they usually have [16:45] i tried ext3 also [16:45] it just peaked at 5.5MB/s, then dropped back down to 7KB/s [16:46] maybe violating ms fat32 patents take longer now [16:46] I'd like to violate MS [16:46] me too [16:46] with my knife. [16:46] my stabbing knife. [16:46] NyteOwl: I'd get a Les Baer [16:47] http://www.champchoice.com/prod-CUSTOM__45_CAL_ACP_HARD_BALL_SERVICE_PISTOL-223.aspx [16:47] erroneous_ (~chatzilla@146-115-22-108.c3-0.wtr-ubr3.sbo-wtr.ma.static.cable.rcn.com) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.8/20100202165920] [16:48] Desert Eagle .50. because it's big. and shiny. [16:48] Action: Necos prods nix_chix0r "get the next one fit properly" :P [16:48] opinions: intel atom 1.6ghz N270 netbook. i am more interested in saving battery than raw performance. should i leave HT enabled or disabled? [16:49] GooseYArd: I'm not made of gold :p [16:49] Necos, yeah [16:49] i'd rather shoot someone with a bb gun [16:49] holy crap - $1,640.00 for a handgun? [16:49] (not that I know much about prices) [16:49] Desrtb eagle's suck and a .50 handgun is only good for hunting and bragging rights [16:49] dive: that's nothing. lol. i've seen up to 10k and above [16:49] NyteOwl: you can get one without all the smithery for a lot less [16:49] i'd rather get a bunch of saturday night specials and throw them at the perp [16:49] but that one you can shoot a match with out of the box [16:49] well, that, and knocking you on your ass. [16:50] Razec (1000@187-27-253-68.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:50] NyteOwl: did you read where I said "big and shiny" ? [16:50] and then when they pick up the gun to shoot, it backfires and kills them cause you gotta be stupid to pull the trigger on one of those [16:50] GooseYArd: a Stinger here is about $2500 CAD. I'd liek to stay at $1500 or less [16:50] hmm in £ I guess it's around 800 so maybe not too out of the ordinary [16:50] i like black powder pistols [16:51] the Gold CUp is $1400, the P200 is $1600 [16:51] I'll probably go Gold CUp. I prefer 1911's and I like Colt [16:52] my second choice would be a beretta 92 [16:52] the P200 is sweet though. Make a nice carry gun; if we were allowed [16:52] i prefer small calibur over large [16:53] I don't care for BLeretta. The quality is ok, I just find the grips/ un;comfortable [16:53] C9 :) [16:53] i have a few weapons. my favorite is a .25-06 ruger markIII [16:53] for 9mm I like the BHP [16:53] i wonder if a pistol that can hold 3" groups at 50 yards is suitable for carry :) [16:53] LTL2h (~lulu@AToulouse-258-1-72-140.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:53] thats what i have [16:53] opinions: intel atom 1.6ghz N270 netbook. i am more interested in saving battery than raw performance. should i leave HT enabled or disabled? [16:53] the rounds travel through coke cans from 100 yards without moving thec can [16:53] an old belgian that came back from vietnam [16:53] it's a pain the sight the scope because of it. [16:54] Cann0n: hah yeah those are the devil [16:54] manwich-laptop (~chatzilla@173-113-191-50.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [16:54] those things are groundhog detonators [16:54] Cann0n: to be honest my favorite is a .22lr Vosdtok TOZ-17 bolt action made in the USSR :) Fun little rifle [16:54] nice. i like .22 [16:54] i prefer iron sights on my .22 [16:55] Delahunt: Enabled, probably. You want as little time using the processor as necessary. [16:55] accurate as hell too [16:55] Cann0n: me too. 30-309 too [16:55] er 30-30 [16:55] Delahunt: would be interesting to run a little bake-off with it on and off [16:56] nice [16:56] jabuti (~jabuti@201009241240.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:56] funnest gun ever is a flint lock replica [16:56] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [16:56] can't hit a can from 4 yards, but it sure is fun to shoot [16:57] pistol [16:57] h;ehp 10ga punt gun :p [16:57] GooseYArd, yeah but i don't have time right now [16:57] jkwood, thanks [16:58] we /now return you to your regualr schpeduled channel [16:59] it's at 13% [16:59] yay.... [17:00] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [17:00] So, what does "gtk-query-immodules" do? [17:01] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-160.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:01] Cann0n, have you looked in /var/log/messages /var/log/syslog etc? [17:01] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:02] and which usb modules do you have loaded? [17:03] nope and no clue [17:03] manwich-laptop (~chatzilla@173-113-191-50.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:03] i checked dmesg [17:03] ohci_usb [17:04] sitwon (~adam@pool-173-79-69-200.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:05] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:05] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.25) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [17:06] ohci is for useb1.1 [17:06] usb1.1 [17:06] hmmm what should i load? [17:07] try ehci-usb and uhci-usb [17:07] although they should load auto [17:08] ehci is usb 2 [17:09] modprobe? [17:09] not found [17:09] you just compiled the kernel yesterday? [17:10] check the device - usb options [17:10] no' tis is old kernel [17:10] hmm [17:10] stock kernel? [17:10] TheNexT (thenext@c-68-81-156-145.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: changing servers [17:10] mohaa (~nome@188.115.77.133) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [17:10] glarb_ (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [17:11] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:11] TheNexT (thenext@c-68-81-156-145.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:11] no a few above it [17:11] so you compiled it? [17:11] mohaa (~nome@188.115.77.133) joined ##slackware. [17:11] yeah [17:12] better have another look at device drivers - usb then [17:12] but i didnt take out anny stock usb options [17:12] check anyway [17:12] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:12] doing it now [17:13] yeath its checked [17:13] sarkoman (~sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:14] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:14] all 3? [17:14] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:14] ypep [17:15] can you try booting with the stock kernel and see if there's any difference in speed? [17:15] yeah ill do that [17:17] Nick change: Azalyn -> AzalynX [17:18] Nick change: AzalynX -> Azalyn [17:21] yeah usb can be picky of kernel boot options and parameters [17:21] especially krappy chipsets [17:21] it's a 2.8GHz P4 [17:21] one would assume it wouldn't take 30 days to copy shit [17:22] well. no. [17:22] well it could be krappy chipset (SiS is almost always garbage for example) [17:22] and could be krappy brand [17:22] just 28 some that you can copy in any month. [17:22] that wouldn't explain 5K/s [17:23] even a crappy chipset [17:23] SlashQuit (~SlashQuit@c-76-25-54-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:23] no change [17:24] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:25] what size file? [17:25] bunch of mp3's [17:25] 20+ gigs i'm putting on my new laptop [17:26] or it could be that the usb and/or controller (stick or PC) are starting to fail [17:26] probably. [17:26] it's slow as balls [17:27] the more complex a system gets, the more that can potentially go wrong (irregardless of probability) [17:28] heh irregardless [17:28] s/irr/r/ [17:30] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:32] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-202-112.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:33] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:34] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:38] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-57-251.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: see y guys [17:39] /exit [17:39] exit [17:40] manhunter (~manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:42] 3 time lucky [17:43] LTL2h (~lulu@AToulouse-258-1-72-140.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:43] i_is_cat (~i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:44] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Quit: Elektro [17:46] i_is_cat (~i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:02] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:02] hi all [18:03] dannyslackware: all is not in today [18:04] ardya: pong [18:05] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.3.65.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [18:05] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:05] lol [18:05] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [18:05] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [18:07] Activiaaaaaa! [18:11] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:11] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:11] man [18:12] i dont like how vague they are about that shit [18:12] "oh it does something, just you wait and see. we're just sayin" [18:14] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:14] acidtripper (~gonzalo@190.193.18.19) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:16] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.3.65.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:18] manwich-laptop (~chatzilla@173-113-191-50.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:23] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:24] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [18:24] IceChant (~icechant@94.159.190.156) left irc: Quit: http://www.1st-vets.com [18:30] too quiet [18:32] t0f (1000@1Cust4149.an4.dca17.da.uu.net) joined ##slackware. [18:32] gui_ap (~gui_ap@unaffiliated/gui-ap/x-6398608) joined ##slackware. [18:34] ok i got one question how to update time settings (automatic/timeserver) [18:34] man ntpd [18:34] sorry - man ntpcd [18:34] tnx [18:35] sarkoman (~sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) joined ##slackware. [18:35] ok thanks [18:35] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.83.243) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [18:35] sorry - ntpdc [18:36] I'll get it right yet :) [18:36] you think? ;) [18:36] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-122-158-238.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [18:37] with 5 letters and knowing the first 3 are ntp, shouldnt' take long :) [18:38] i came over on the boat i guess. i set the time in /etc/ppp/ip-up [18:38] Urchlay [18:39] /usr/sbin/ntpdate clock.psu.edu 2>&1 | logger -t ntp [18:41] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-211.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:42] im working on it [18:44] rc.ntpd [18:44] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [18:49] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.83.243) joined ##slackware. [18:49] t0f (1000@1Cust4149.an4.dca17.da.uu.net) left irc: Quit: t0f [18:55] johnnyb (~porjohn@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [18:56] ntpdate is so much simpler >.> [18:56] goarilla (~goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:57] iirc ntpdate is deprecated [18:57] it's been deprecated for a while, but i still use it [18:58] it's nice to have it in cron.daily [18:59] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [19:00] rebelion (~fred@cpc1-nmal7-0-0-cust82.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [19:00] i use time-a.nist.gov tho... not sure if it works with ntpd [19:02] goarilla (~goarilla@36.83-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [19:05] nv4Phil (~phil@adsl-156-27-71.bna.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:06] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [19:06] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:08] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [19:11] johnnyb (~porjohn@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:12] im thinking gawk [19:13] ? [19:13] timeserver [19:17] rebelion (~fred@cpc1-nmal7-0-0-cust82.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:19] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-122-158-238.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [19:27] Bueller? [19:32] j0z (~lhp@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: [19:32] j0z (~lhp@201.47.30.88) joined ##slackware. [19:32] j0z (~lhp@201.47.30.88) left irc: Changing host [19:32] j0z (~lhp@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [19:40] kevin01123 (~user@2002:4751:4123:1234:221:6bff:fe01:8106) joined ##slackware. [19:40] Do I need to use a tools like cpufreqd/powernowd? Or do I just set the default governor to ondemand? [19:40] slackware should set the proper governor for you, by default [19:41] kevin01123: see /etc/rc.d/rc.modules its well commented regarding this [19:49] mattallmill_ (~mattallmi@ip68-103-157-10.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:49] mattallmill (~mattallmi@ip68-103-163-24.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [19:49] sahk0: I'm looking at it. It sets it to ondemand, but I'm wondering if powernowd is even needed, or if ondemand is all I need for this. [19:50] ondemand is what should always be used [19:51] sahk0: Alright, so any daemon like cpufreqd/powernowd is unecessary? [19:53] IMO if ondemand works out for you, yes [19:53] mattallmill__ (~mattallmi@ip68-103-163-24.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:55] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:55] mattallmill_ (~mattallmi@ip68-103-157-10.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:56] sahk0: Is there any reason it shouldn't, or where something like powernowd would be necessary? From what I'm reading about it, powernowd may be redundant if ondemand is set as the governor. [19:56] ntpdate is what you what you use to slew the clock all at once [19:57] ntpdc also has a large initial skew option [20:00] im surprised how many machines I run into that drift off into the ether without ntpd running [20:03] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:05] kevin01123: cant think of a reason [20:05] Razec (1000@187-27-253-68.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:06] well i just want it to sync time. [20:06] dannyslackware: ntpdate pool.ntp.org [20:08] you can also use a regional pool. for me it would be us.pool.ntp.org [20:08] since ntpdate is deprecated whats the new equivalent? [20:09] will you have to run a daemon? [20:09] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:09] http://psp2.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/NTPPoolServers [20:09] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:09] list of regional ntp pool servers [20:09] snl20<<>>thanks worked [20:10] ntpdc is the replacement for ntpdate [20:10] sahk0 ^^^^ [20:10] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:10] sahk0: naah, but ntpdate works better as ntpd only adjust the time and doesnt set it [20:11] snL20: man ntpdc [20:11] alisonken1home: aah, ok :) [20:11] alisonken1home thanks [20:12] The ntpdc utility is used to query the ntpd(8) daemon about its current state [20:12] alisonken1home, try sleeping [20:12] :) [20:12] I've been catching catnaps [20:12] that sounds like it needs a running daemon, while ntpdate doesnt [20:14] mattallmill__ (~mattallmi@ip68-103-163-24.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:14] ntpd is a daemon [20:14] mattallmill__ (~mattallmi@ip68-103-163-24.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:15] yeah but with ntpdate you can set the time without running a daemon [20:15] slaker (~slaker@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [20:15] will that still be possible if ntpdate goes away? [20:15] btw man page says ntpdc is a crude hack :p [20:17] sahk0, I use ntpdate and I've no idea what will happen when it goes away, but I suspect someone will keep on sbo as long as continues to work. [20:17] or if not I'm sure someone will come up with something [20:17] you can set time via date but a deamon sync to timeserver is what i need [20:18] i mean go away as in no longer distributed by upstream. because thats what the upstream docs say [20:18] Then someone needs grab the source and host it [20:18] dannyslackware: date doesnt synchronize to a server like ntpdate does [20:19] with date you have to know the exact time [20:19] sahk0 true [20:19] i knew that i asked the orignal question [20:20] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:20] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-21-23.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:20] ok - where do you see in the ntpdc man page that it's a hack? [20:20] oh:) [20:21] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [20:21] alisonken1home: http://www.manpagez.com/man/8/ntpdc/ on the bottom [20:22] that's bsd version of ntpdc [20:22] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:22] is it different? [20:23] based on the options, it appears so [20:23] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-211.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [20:23] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [20:23] maybe this is just outdated [20:23] bsd differs from linux [20:24] since the bsd version is ntpdc(8) and the linux version is ntpdc(1) - not the manual sections they are in [20:25] btw im runnin stable so i dont have bash 4.0 [20:25] alisonken1home: http://linux.die.net/man/8/ntpdc same BUGS section [20:25] IIRC ntp doesnt ship man pages anyway [20:25] and I'm running -current and still not using bash v4 either [20:25] they're pulled from other resources [20:26] sahk0: uhm ... rep man /var/log/packages/ntp-4.2.4p8-x86_64-1_slack13.0 [20:26] s/rep/grep/ [20:26] AcEg33k (~prashant@122.172.14.120) joined ##slackware. [20:27] man ntpd/ntpdc work [20:27] sahk0: man ntpdc and look at the "Please send bug reports to: http://bugs.ntp.org, bugs@ntp.org" notes as well [20:28] BP{k} what are we grepping there? [20:28] mem [20:28] er [20:28] men [20:28] MAN [20:28] FAIL! [20:28] :) [20:29] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.70.73) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [20:29] hmm, yes indeed [20:29] as long as h;e's grepping and not groping :) [20:29] fired up qemu frebsd 8.0 right now to check it out [20:30] NyteOwl: haven't had enough to drink for that. ;) [20:31] Action: dive is on his last beer [20:31] interesting that the linux.die.net just happens to be an exact copy of the manpagez.com (formatted for their site) and the man page I have on my system isn't even close to the same [20:31] LnxSlck (1000@95.69.127.228) joined ##slackware. [20:31] slaker (~slaker@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:31] also the man page for ntpdc included with slackware includes a where to send bug reports to, but the man pages on those sites don't [20:32] they must be old pages [20:32] slackware rules [20:33] regardless, I think the question is do you want to run a daemon and client, or just a simple command to fetch time? [20:34] I go with ntpdate. [20:34] dive: then you have to keep remembering to run it. no consumer desktop computer can keep perfect time [20:34] alisonken1home, it runs at bootup and resume [20:35] and could easily be made a cronjob [20:35] dive: uptime: 17:19:23 up 66 days, 13:39, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 [20:35] so use a cronjob [20:35] and what's wrong with a daemon? [20:36] I just find for this purpose it's unnecesary [20:36] but each to their own [20:36] i_is_cat (~i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:37] dive: man ntpd and look at -q option [20:38] hmm [20:38] boot up works for me sinse im running slackware on a netbook [20:38] also - look at /etc/rc.d/rc.ntp - notice something in there? [20:39] nevermind - just looked at it again [20:39] SpacePlod (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-sfokffdvzkhnpvml) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:39] slaker (~slaker@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [20:41] AcEg33k (~prashant@122.172.14.120) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:41] AcEg33k (~prashant@122.172.11.158) joined ##slackware. [20:42] I just looked at my crontab and I have it set time [20:42] midnight [20:42] slaker (~slaker@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:44] nv4Phil (~phil@adsl-156-27-71.bna.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:45] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:45] kevin01123 (~user@2002:4751:4123:1234:221:6bff:fe01:8106) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:45] question... I have zero experience with 64-bit machines, much less on linux... I'm considering buying a laptop with a 104-key keyboard, which happens to be 64-bit... what are the advantages and disadvantages, from a slackware point of view... and will the laptop's built-in webcam do okay? It's an HP G70-463CL [20:46] j0z (~lhp@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:50] im running slackware on a netbook havent even tried the webcam but i guess its no problem [20:51] If you want to [20:51] nv4Phil, 64-bit will use a little more ram, but provide a performance boost generally, especially when doing things like encoding [20:53] j0z (~lhp@201.47.19.144) joined ##slackware. [20:53] j0z (~lhp@201.47.19.144) left irc: Changing host [20:53] j0z (~lhp@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [20:53] i_is_cat (~i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:57] gui_ap (~gui_ap@unaffiliated/gui-ap/x-6398608) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:03] AbsTradELic (1000@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [21:04] moh2a (~nome@92.49.77.143) joined ##slackware. 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[21:23] ok then [21:25] jkwood: there may be a treatment for that now :) [21:25] LnxSlck (1000@95.69.127.228) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:27] brb [21:28] MoZes: distcc set up & working :) [21:28] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:29] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:30] edman007_ (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [21:32] edman007_ (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Client Quit [21:32] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [21:32] AbsTradELic (1000@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:33] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [21:34] does amarok no longer support mysql storage, or is it simply not compiled into the 13.0 packages ? [21:36] enmodal (~matt@99-60-72-168.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:52] thrice`: thanks for your response... sorry, I had to step away from the computer, I had a phone call [21:52] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-22-73.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:52] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [21:55] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [21:58] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:59] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.153.147) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:15] alice_c (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:17] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:18] break19 (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] gm152_ (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:20] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [22:20] dunix_ (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. 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[22:41] [off] anybody, here, can help me, with modsecurity? [22:42] slackaholic (1000@187-24-144-208.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:43] hitest: not bad. returned home from arkansas. drinking beer and prepping noodles :) [22:43] everyone is drinking tonight :) [22:44] yup :) [22:44] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [22:46] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [22:47] sup phrag [22:48] hellanio (~hellanio@187.79.33.156) joined ##slackware. [22:48] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [22:48] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Quit: /etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start [22:50] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: shonudo [22:52] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [22:53] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. 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[23:10] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:10] God knows what RH has changed [23:11] visudo ftw [23:11] When I do a minimal slackware install it asks if I want to create a USB boot image or something. What is the point of this? [23:12] So you can boot off a usb drive if you accidentally break somethingg. [23:12] chowder: so you can boot.. what he said [23:12] You can also boot off the original dvd or cd. [23:12] chowder, it's an emergency boot device\ [23:12] I see [23:13] or if you don't want the system too boot from HD [23:13] actually, I do want the system to boot from HDD [23:13] do I need to make an initrd? [23:13] it's for a rescue image, mainly [23:14] break19: chicken and egg, i do not have root shell until i fix sudo [23:14] also, "visudo -c -f copyofetcsudoers" succeeds [23:15] SlashQuit (~SlashQuit@c-76-25-54-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:15] hrms [23:15] I really need to read the slackbook [23:15] I wonder if selinux is raining on my parade [23:16] has it been updated for 13.0? [23:17] chowder, in process I think [23:17] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:18] one thing I don't get about slackware is the package management. [23:19] well i'll be [23:19] yeah it's good isn't it [23:19] the web based file manager / editor was screwing it up [23:20] webmin -1 [23:20] pi31415: ah, interesting.. I'll file that away for future use :) [23:22] I'm thinking of taking the plunge and upgrading to -current. Any recommended guides? The ones I'm finding reference 10.0. [23:23] chowder (~Anon@c-98-211-211-147.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:23] SlashQuit: the manpage for upgradepkg and the documentation in the slackware tree .. notably UPGRADE.TXT and CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [23:24] NyteOwl (sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: Molon Labe [23:24] k, I have UPGRADE.TXT open, I'll go through the other for sparkly special actions required. [23:25] and current.warning [23:25] (last time I followed 'upgrade.txt' ... ended up with no mousey or keyboard) [23:27] SlashQuit: then you did it wrong. :) [23:27] and like XGizzmo stated, definately the CURRENT.WARNING. [23:30] BP{k}, probably, although I saw a crapload of similar postings from people who followed the same guide ;] [23:32] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:33] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-121.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[23:46] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:46] hi, guys where can i get some slack 13.0 pkgs for mono/monodevelop etc [23:46] FY: Ati Binary Drivers work very well. [23:46] im a keen .NET programmer and want to write some code in the linux world [23:46] s/FY/FYI [23:48] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-63-5.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:48] anyone =/ [23:49] i found mono on slackbuilds but no sign of monodevelop IDE [23:49] then get the source or binaries and install it yourself [23:50] wait what? [23:50] yea i been meaning to but too lazy [23:51] sylon: so you'd like one of us to do the work for you because you're "too lazy"? [23:52] danc3: did i ask you to build it for me? i thought someone might know, don't give me that attitude [23:52] sylon: bugger off, Win-droid. [23:53] danc3: atleast i am doing something, dont judge others, think about what you are doing, you have no right to tell me what to do, so mind your own business [23:53] sylon: hey. welcome to ##slackware. I hope you like our OS. [23:53] go do some "keen .NET programming" with your Windoze buddies. This is the Slackware Linux channel. Bugger off. [23:53] hitest: i been using it for a while, but thanks [23:54] is this still the preferred way to install fonts on slack? http://fixunix.com/slackware/383036-how-install-truetype-fonts-slack.html ? [23:54] danc3: that is my daytime job and pays my bills, but whatever [23:54] and i don't wish to learn a new language as i am very happy with C# [23:54] sylon: nice to hear you want to contribute:) [23:55] Anyway, i found some packages if anyone else is keen, http://darkstar.ist.utl.pt/pub/slackware/addon/gnomeslackbuild/gsb-2.26_slackware-13.0/ [23:56] sylon: not likely that anybody in here is "keen" for becoming a Win-droid. Bugger off. [23:57] sylon: GSB is pretty good, but, not officially supported by us. [00:00] --- Sat Feb 20 2010