[00:00] start, run , notepad.exe [00:00] :) [00:00] Action: macavity slaps Old_Fogie with a wet newspaper [00:00] hahah [00:00] "thank you sir may I have another" [00:00] lol [00:00] :) [00:00] hmm.. there's no IRQBALANCE [00:01] notepad is decent... lol [00:02] mordy, i would suggest adding or configuring it to balance irq [00:02] add the line? even though it's nto there? [00:03] uh no maybe you need a new kernel (2.6.28) [00:03] still it depends [00:03] this computer is from 2003 but let me chmod-x the rc.pcmcia [00:03] mordy, the kernel config is not an editable file, like an xorg.conf. take a look at alienbob's site regarding building kernels [00:04] and installing customs , etc [00:04] Old_Fogie++ [00:05] old_fogie, btw this laptop does have acpi support, although i guess i need the cpufreq module... [00:05] i should have searched for it in the config [00:06] modprobe acpi_cpufreq [00:06] echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor [00:06] rworkman, it gives me an error, don't know why though [00:06] What error? [00:06] let me wait until it boots up... [00:07] mordy, aren't you using 'apm=power-off' in lilo? [00:07] mordy, mine is a toshiba laptop made in 2003~2004 [00:07] should be, I helped you with it other night. [00:07] still, i wouldn't specify apm=power-off unless it became necessary [00:07] mine works with full acpi [00:07] and no apm [00:07] twinreverb, i specify acpi=force [00:07] apm is a relic that shouldn't be needed any more. [00:07] Reaver_1 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [00:07] ah, ok [00:07] mordy, i'd specify no apm or acpi [00:08] rworkman, needed here with all us relics here :) [00:08] now one thing you might try is check your chipset and see if it supports APIC [00:08] if it does, try booting specifying lapic with the kernel image name [00:08] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "leaving" [00:08] twinreverb, then the computer won't turn off unless i pull the plug [00:08] some machines get really weird and/or act strangely without ACPI and/or APIC [00:09] mordy, please do me a favor: /sbin/lspci | awk '{print $3}' | sort | uniq && /sbin/lspci | 'awk '{print $5}' | sort | uniq [00:09] try PICA or PCIA [00:10] that 'apic' is wierd. I used to be able to check it as 'm' in kernel configs for my amd/2500 . not anymore, it wont let me select it at all now. dunno why, it's on in mobo. oh well. [00:10] be sure you do not paste more than 3 lines though [00:10] almost every processor after pentium "pro" (pentium II or so) should have APIC [00:10] and I/O APIC for pentium 3 and above i think [00:11] with my machine i literally had to go and read the in-depth intel spec sheet for mine. but after using that to base my config off of, my machine runs SO much better (better than even generic-smp) [00:11] one sec.. [00:11] ewl (n=ewl@pool-70-19-191-160.bos.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:11] basically i want to know what brand and chipset your machine is [00:11] mine is an Intel 82801DB [00:12] 440MX [00:12] same here [00:12] Reaver_11 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [00:13] oh nope wrong number there [00:13] that's an intel chipset? or via? [00:13] intel [00:13] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:13] 82440MX [00:13] vileli8ves_ (n=darrel@nv-69-34-98-73.dyn.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [00:13] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Client Quit [00:14] Old_Fogie, do you know about mother boards and power supply? [00:14] i found some specific kernel options for my chipset too :D [00:14] i'm trying to rebuild computer [00:14] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:14] mordy, ok i have your datasheet and i'll look up the info to tell you [00:15] twinreverb, i wonder how old this chipset is :P [00:15] mordy, is your BIOS fully updated? [00:16] bios? it's old, and there's no floppy either [00:16] you want a specific date though? [00:17] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:17] it doesn't use the intel bios either, though [00:18] mordy, first, you need to specify "lapic" in your kernel append statement in LILO. yours has a local APIC [00:19] second, your chipset supports ACPI. you should not use apm (so apm=off or whatever it is) and then don't specify acpi=force. just let it detect it on its own. [00:19] wait i have one of these too, just mine is in a box :D [00:19] hmm... let me see if acpi works without =force. i know i needed to use it in the first placce to work.. [00:20] if you can wait a second, i can look up the apm disable comment for you [00:20] twinreverb, apm is disabled by default [00:20] if he's calling acpi in lilo, then there is no apm running. it's one or other [00:21] and lapic still gives me the conflict [00:23] mordy, as for apm=power-off, that's only for SMP users, so you don't need to use it [00:23] then try this [00:23] Linux lapic apm=off [00:24] twinreverb, apm isn't loaded either in my modules [00:24] and it *is* a module and not built in to my kernel [00:24] doesn't matter, APM in the generic and huge kernels is (iirc) [*] [00:24] eelriver (n=eelriver@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [00:24] how can i tell if ssh server is running? [00:24] Organizm (n=lane@c-69-243-237-4.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:24] still, whatever [00:25] vinnie_, "ps aux | grep sshd" [00:25] CONFIG_APM=m [00:26] CONFIG_X86_APM_BOOT=y [00:26] CONFIG_APM=m [00:26] # CONFIG_APM_IGNORE_USER_SUSPEND is not set [00:26] TwinReverb: thanx [00:26] first three matches in 2.6.27.7 generic-smp kernel config [00:27] and it's the same by me, using huge [00:29] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [00:29] i would say, like i did before: time to compile your own kernel [00:29] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [00:29] the pcmcia script also never executes since the pcmcia module is built into the kernel [00:30] not slackware's fault that you need to, just that some times kernel features come out after your distribution's kernel that you need [00:30] or your machine is picky [00:30] twinreverb.. but that's part of my problem.. crappy network connections means slow compilation [00:30] since i'm compiling over the network [00:30] you're compiling over a network? how? [00:30] distcc [00:31] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [00:31] it's great.. :D [00:31] well yeah i love distcc [00:31] but i wish i could configure it to perhaps copy over all the sources beforehand [00:31] and perhaps do all the preprocessing work before the compilation starts [00:31] so that way there's less of a network lag [00:32] won't it ultimately be equal? either way you're transferring it over the network [00:33] isn't there an overhead when initiating a connection? [00:33] put the fastest pc as first in the list for the work, nuff said [00:33] well, there's only one distcc server that i have [00:33] or start the process on the fastest PC (since native usually is faster than over distcc) [00:34] iirc he's using debian as other pc in distcc farm there [00:34] yeah [00:34] and when i try to chroot into it via nfs and then run distcc from there i get architecture problems somehow. [00:34] besides, nfs is just as slow [00:35] eelriver (n=eelriver@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:36] oh well [00:36] you have a pentium III, compiling is not going to be fast [00:36] yeah [00:36] not to mention it barely has any RAM too [00:36] 192MB [00:36] but what you can do if you must compile your own kernel is to cut out all the things you are sure you cannot add to this machine [00:36] Reaver_1 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection timed out [00:37] mordy, if you set up the ccache (as per the guide I gave ya), a rebuild of kernel is half the time [00:37] example: SATA. you don't have SATA on a pentium III, and i doubt you have 1000Base-T or 10000Base-T ethernet, so you can compile those out, token ring, etc [00:37] twinreverb, i did all that [00:37] basically, make it as minimal as you can without causing problems [00:37] i have a compiled kernel, but it doesn't work too great either.. [00:37] and i think i made it too minimal :P [00:38] also, specify your CPU and if it lists your specific processor (which it should), disable Generic X86 and enable Optimize for Size [00:38] but let me try this.. is there anywhere i can get a standard initrd? [00:38] a standard initrd ? [00:38] yeah, did that all.. the kernel should work well.. it does hang for a while on the ipw2200 load though [00:38] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:39] do you even have ipw2200? what intel wireless do you have? [00:39] 2200 [00:39] :P [00:39] well, i put that in there myself [00:39] did you compile ipw2200 into your kernel staticly (<*>) or dynamically () ? [00:39] statically [00:39] i shouldn't have done that? [00:39] bad move [00:39] well i find a huge lag for <*> but no lag for [00:40] i mean, unless you enable firmware blobs, which i would not recommend [00:40] ipw2200 isn't absolutely necessary to boot [00:40] usually only CPU, IDE controller, and filesystem are required in order to boot: the rest can be modules if you like [00:40] hmm... so basically i should only * those things that are absolutely necessary for boot? [00:40] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Connection timed out [00:40] cool [00:40] is there any advantage on making them * ? [00:40] there's really no difference in boot times either direction [00:41] since my HDD isn't very quick [00:41] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-46.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Client exited" [00:41] either you have a bigger kernel (takes longer to initially load into memory at boot) or you have a smaller kernel but you read the module later during boot. [00:41] You get to reboot more often with "<*>", maybe. [00:41] rob0, you mean more hangs? [00:41] there's really no strength in <*> unless (like i said) you absolutely need it in order to boot [00:42] and i can remove any M if i don't use that given module altogether? [00:42] mordy: you can modprobe -r if it is * [00:42] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@214.91.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [00:42] can't [00:42] well maybe rob is talking about how if you have the kernel append statement wrong, you can't unload the module, change modprobe options, and then reload. you must reboot to change append statement [00:42] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:42] if it's <*> you cannot unload it from the kernel [00:42] ... [00:42] I mean if you need to unload a built-in driver or change its behavior/params, you have to reboot. [00:42] oh [00:42] sorry, you GET to reboot :) [00:42] hmm.. i see [00:42] granted you could compile EVERYTHING as if you wanted and then make an initrd for what you need in order to boot, but i think that's just silly [00:42] KidpunkX (n=masterx8@97.104.48.72) left irc: "Leaving" [00:43] on your system a reboot means coffee break at least haha [00:43] yeah :D [00:43] lol [00:43] on mine it isn't so bad now that i trimmed the kernel image down, but it's not startling quick [00:44] i thought i needed an initrd for any kernel and the huge one was something special [00:44] Build everything into your kernel if you consider your minutes less important than the machine's nanoseconds. [00:44] rob0, ? [00:44] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:44] the only other time i compile something in <*> is when it doesn't work as (intelfb is a big example) or in the case of my sound (snd_intel8x0), when i want it to be the #1 device and always get loaded first [00:44] ignore me, I'm trying to be funny [00:45] I'd go a bit farther than that: Build a custom kernel if you consider your minutes less important than the machine's nanoseconds. [00:45] indeed [00:45] ah ok [00:45] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:45] hmm.. so let me try this new kernel... [00:45] or with acpi-cpufreq since i want it to always load and always default to the conservative scaling governor [00:45] In some cases you might need something that a newer kernel supports, but that's rare. [00:46] add pre-empt, nohz , balance irq's, adjust timer...other than that kernel tweaks and dropping stuff out and this that dont get _any_ of my older pc's any speed. [00:46] TwinReverb: that's a waste of power actually; the pm gurus recommend always using ondemand [00:46] TwinReverb, initrd not a big deal :( [00:46] I only find 5 things that affect kernel..all this dropping out...building in .....bleh it's all synthetic [00:46] intelfb will not work as a module unless it's in an initd, but either way intelfb won't work with vesafb in the kernel because vesafb (naughty module) always loads first and steals my framebuffer device from intelfb [00:46] TwinReverb, works here [00:46] rworkman, i don't give a @#$ what they recommend [00:47] i've heard them change their mind over ondemand and conservative way too many times [00:47] Old_Fogie, dmesg | grep FB [00:47] i think you may be surprised at what you see [00:47] I dont have it on here tho at all [00:47] but I can [00:47] TwinReverb: okay, but you're actually *hurting* yourself. The conservative governor means that you'll spend *more* time doing the same operation, because it will be occurring at a lower clock speed. [00:47] you may see what i did: "intelfb: cannot reserve FB region" [00:47] I dont like it stealing my native resolutions [00:48] Usually, the lower clock speed times actual time required > higher clock speed that occurs with ondemand times actual time required [00:48] I have to change resolutions alot, so intelfb is bad for me, but I can have it in lieu of the kernel. [00:48] rworkman, but most operations on this machine are either little to no CPU utilization, or 100% utilization [00:48] (where values are in watts) [00:48] so either way the difference is rarely noticed [00:49] with some programs it helps though because the program only grabs 100% of CPU for maybe 1 second [00:49] i like a light and fast machine so i use only 3 fonts and i trim things down to make them faster [00:49] i use lighter programs too [00:49] *_* [00:50] ...hopefully, he doesn't deal with these evil flash websites [00:50] mordy, you will also want to include the CMOS RTC [00:50] what does that do? [00:50] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-59-147.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [00:50] Serioulsy, other than them 5 things I listed, on my old boxes that I use as desktops that I have spent time doing, make all modules, etc I never felt a difference at all. [00:50] nille_ (i=1000@c-5262e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:51] does make install also make an initrd for my kernel? [00:51] mordy, and also you want to include i2c and SMBus [00:51] now,...a 2.4 kernel is so fast vs. a 2.6 kernel it's not even funny [00:51] it's just a clock, and the other stuff is for sensors and things [00:51] because i see in your chipset datasheet that your machine has these two things [00:51] Action: Old_Fogie wishes he could add 2.4 to 12.2 [00:51] Old_Fogie, but 2.4 has far fewer features [00:51] less bugs too [00:51] twinreverb: so does sensors-detect...i think my current kernel is pretty good actually [00:52] less features != less bugs [00:52] usually, yes, but not always [00:52] TwinReverb, remember, my boxes are 166 thru 900 . 2.4 kernels are fine for them [00:52] 2.6 is not [00:52] but either i need an initrd or i didn't include the proper ide drivers [00:52] Old_Fogie, true [00:52] Baz_ (n=baz@c-67-160-118-87.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:52] mordy, your is the only Intel chipset listed in ATA/IDE area [00:53] mordy, include FS, IDE/SATA, [00:53] you do not use SATA [00:53] and i highly doubt you'd want to include PATA support but you can if you want (just be sure to read to determine which one is for the 440MX) [00:53] er nevermind, i doubt yours even has PATA [00:53] i thought PATA was ide :-/ [00:53] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [00:53] although disk reads/writes are 25MB/s [00:53] yeah but iirc PATA is udma/100 and up [00:53] yours is udma/33 [00:53] oh [00:55] mordy, is this a pentium-M laptop? [00:55] it doesn't say pentium m. it's a p3 [00:55] i think pentium m started with p4 [00:55] no [00:55] bono (i=bono@118-160-174-138.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:55] but it's a laptop [00:55] but anyways, just asking [00:56] then you probably don't need to include cpufreq unless you want to [00:56] some laptops came with P4's [00:56] i had one of those [00:56] :P [00:56] a p4 laptop [00:56] as for your kernel, make sure you specify the one line that allows memory to be 64bit, as yours has that capability [00:56] i just noticed it [00:56] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-4-99-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:57] "100-MHz memory interface" [00:57] " - 64-bit memory data interface (without ECC)" [00:57] i could be wrong but i could swear that's what that kernel line means [00:57] That doesn't mean there's a 64-bit address line. [00:57] if i'm wrong it won't break your machine [00:58] It just means the bus is 64 bits wide. [00:58] it just permits it [00:58] oh [00:58] ccfreak2k, then what machines have that 64 bit memory? is it only the x86-64 machines? [00:58] "A blazing fast 100 Mhz bus" probably :P [00:58] Unless he has a late model Pentium 4 (EM64T) or Athlon 64 or later, he has 32-bit addressing (or 36/40 with PAE). [00:58] HAHA [00:58] oh my badd [00:59] hmm.. do i need to specify fs type on my kernel line? [00:59] i get "no filesystem could mount root, tried: romfs" [00:59] and i'm quite sure ext2/3 is compiled into the kernel [00:59] Do you use ext2/3 for your filesystem? :) [00:59] yes usually you either compile in your filesystem to the kernel or you put it in an initrd [01:00] hmm... let me check the config... [01:00] if you don't know, you could compile in ext2, ext3, jfs, xfs, and reiserfs but you should just check [01:00] it's ext3 - [01:01] then you only need ext3 to be <*>, all others or not included [01:01] this is the kernel i compiled last night, it doesn't give me the irq conflcit though [01:01] or put ext3 in an initrd if you want it to be (but again, like i said, that's just silly) [01:01] yeah, why do initrd exist though? [01:02] So the distros can ship generic kernels, and you can make an initrd to have it work anywhere. [01:02] oh [01:03] d'oh [01:03] CONFIG_EXT3_FS=m :( [01:03] a few minutes spent in learning mkinitrd will get you up and running sooner than configuring/compiling a kernel [01:03] mordy, as for your USB controller, you should only need the UHCI controller (so you can leave out EHCI and OHCI) [01:03] yeah [01:03] i removed firewire, and much more stuff [01:04] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:04] it's amazing what kind of thihngs are inside the kernel. devices and categories i never even thought existed [01:04] mordy, include FS, IDE/SATA, *_* [01:04] and i doubt your computer has GPIO so you can leave that out probably [01:04] wha't gpio? [01:04] sorry i already closed the PDF [01:04] lol [01:05] link would be nice :P [01:05] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [01:05] http://developer.intel.com/design/chipsets/designex/273504.htm [01:05] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:05] general purpose input output. you know the lights on your router or modem? those are gpio [01:05] i took out all serial, parallel ports [01:05] oh, this computer has a led on the nic [01:05] ?! [01:05] leave your serial and parallel [01:05] mordy: that is different [01:05] twinreverb, i never use them. i don't even have any serial/parallel devices [01:06] but you may need them some day (so ) [01:06] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.182.28) joined ##slackware. [01:06] yeah... lol [01:06] it's never fun to be "oh, wow, i got a serial to sata adapter, but don't have serial port support in my kernel" (yeah i know, not a good example, but you get the idea) [01:07] ROTFL [01:07] :D [01:07] Action: mordy looks up how to make an initrd [01:07] christmas presents are infamous for that [01:07] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-245702.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:07] "wow a firewire cake mixer...." [01:07] ROTFL [01:07] "wow, a USB humping bunny" [01:07] this thing doesn't even have firewire though [01:07] they have usb vibrators [01:08] there's a README symlinked in /boot, "man mkinitrd", and a sample config file in /etc [01:08] Action: TwinReverb is now sick of that conversation [01:08] lol [01:08] you just HAD to go and ruin it for me, didn't you? :D :P [01:08] jescisp2s (i=1000@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [01:08] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:08] wireless bluetooth vibrators [01:08] slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) joined ##slackware. [01:09] o_O? [01:09] yeah man, cRaZy [01:10] That's not the worst I've seen. [01:10] wireless nullboy umanned aerial assassination vehicles [01:10] oh dear [01:10] There are also tools that will count and allow you to measure times. [01:10] you mean drones? [01:10] lol @ wireless bluetooth vibrator :D [01:10] Just buy a Nimbus 2000. [01:10] lol [01:12] or the firewire blush response interrogation slideshow projector [01:12] or bluetooth robotic vacuum cleaners. i could really use one of those [01:14] i want one of those roombas [01:14] that would be awesome, especially if it ran linux [01:14] you could hack it to "shoe hump" guests by constantly bumping into their shoes [01:15] "it won't stop bumping into me!" "i guess it likes you" [01:15] brb [01:16] I forget why I came online to here :\ :D [01:16] Action: TwinReverb sicks the roombas on jescis [01:16] http://hackingroomba.com/ [01:17] you can drive them [01:17] i'd put a camera on it [01:17] cat /dev/random > /dev/jescisp2s/brainz [01:17] haha [01:18] Put Linux® on Roomba [01:18] hehe [01:18] displaying the penguin icon on the top would be enough for me, and maybe the singing part, but otherwise i think they're already good as what they are [01:19] although you could configure rc.cat-torture.d [01:19] Wi-Fi your Roomba [01:19] put some sort of RF tag on the cat's collar and have the roomba pursue it [01:20] you'd have one pissed off cat before long [01:20] superGear (i=1000@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:21] i bet that one cat stalker vid on youtube was a roomba-cam one [01:21] VGA Mouse Trap [01:21] ? [01:21] just thinking of wacky devices [01:24] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "BitchX: ..(cyp): gone" [01:26] when i make the initrd i need to specify my revision number too? [01:27] i guess :| lol [01:27] um yeah probably [01:28] Action: mohaa wonders what mordy's gonna get in that initrd :/ [01:28] just an ext3 module [01:28] lol [01:28] it's temporary, i'll recompile agian with ext2/3 in the kernel [01:28] told ya to compile fs <*> [01:28] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@unaffiliated/asmadeus) left irc: "Reconnecting" [01:29] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@unaffiliated/asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [01:29] mohaa, i compiled this last night [01:29] :P [01:29] yeah i hate initrd's if you actually recompile the kernel anyways [01:29] renew02 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-154-70.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:29] i mean, if generic-smp met my needs, i'd use an initrd for the FS [01:29] but my graphics card is a jerk [01:29] renew02 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-164-86.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:30] i still donnt' know where my compiled kernel placed all its modules [01:30] is it in the source directory still? i did make install too [01:30] even mordy.... in default kernel ext3 is <*> , no ? [01:31] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-064c496617ddc97a) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:31] mohaa - yeah it is. i don't know why it's not there [01:31] mordy, "make tarbz2-pkg" to pack it all in one archive [01:32] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) joined ##slackware. [01:32] in the source directory? [01:32] _ohm (n=nava@own30748RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [01:32] <_ohm> sup [01:32] mohaa: hey [01:33] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-dff07e7108d6a80c) joined ##slackware. [01:33] yarp... after configuration, build with "make tarbz2-pkg" [01:33] <_ohm> someone is actually here? [01:33] M1ck_, hey ya :P [01:33] yarp - so this will recompile everythihng yet again? :( [01:33] <_ohm> im high :) [01:33] <_ohm> how you guys doing? [01:33] Action: mordy wonders how "yarp" got in there [01:34] Action: mohaa is listening to l Peter Tosh - Mama Africa l [01:34] <_ohm> dude [01:34] <_ohm> im listening to jimi hendrix,little wing [01:34] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [01:34] :D [01:34] <_ohm> good stuff [01:34] hippie !!! [01:35] <_ohm> mohaa haven't seen you before [01:35] <_ohm> tell me, age, year, distro [01:35] im linstening the wind [01:35] _ohm, yet i was puffing some grass with uhm.. [01:35] how do i retrieve the name of the kernel i compiled? [01:35] lol [01:36] <_ohm> mohaa, seriously man this song is my life right now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPQ0aPcqWgM&feature=related [01:36] <_ohm> mordy, go into /arch/1386 and it should be there if i remember right [01:36] _ohm, get some fresh green and we may talk longer :P [01:36] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2+2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [01:37] <_ohm> mohaa, know where i can get any? im on ambien and seeds right now :P [01:37] mordy: perhaps in the Makefile [01:37] <_ohm> shiiiit i just told you [01:37] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [01:38] <_ohm> mordy: it is the file that doesn't look like anything [01:38] <_ohm> mordy: the file at the very end that appears to be nothing, that is the kernel [01:38] <_ohm> move that to grub and boot that [01:38] lol [01:38] _ohm, order some on weedfarmer.com [01:38] no, i just want to know the full kernel name, that's it [01:39] uname -sr [01:39] <_ohm> mohaa, i need a good source on campus, i got ripped last time i bought [01:39] mohaa: in the last kernel, there is ext4 [01:39] <_ohm> mohaa: uname-a [01:39] i'm not using that kernel [01:39] <_ohm> do it faggot [01:39] <_ohm> lolz [01:40] M1ck_, just tell mordy (I don't ruin my time on kernel stuff) [01:40] mordy: u must use it ;) [01:40] um where did you decompress your kernel? [01:40] i can't use the kernel since i can't boot from it since i need an initrd for the driver [01:40] <_ohm> mohaa, if you have any bud we should chill tonight [01:40] initrd for the fs* [01:40] kernel source* [01:40] _ohm, dude I am convalescent :/ [01:40] <_ohm> WHAT DOES THAT WORD MEAN [01:40] and in order to make the initrd i need the full name of the kernel :| me thinks [01:40] <_ohm> seriously [01:41] <_ohm> ctfo and speak low level english [01:41] mordy, why don't you jusy re-install it all with default _that will work for sure_ ? [01:41] why not just compile a kernel with you fs built in? [01:41] <_ohm> omfg [01:41] mohaa: je crois que _ohm craque, notre anglais semble pourri [01:41] superGear, I told him twice...at least [01:42] <_ohm> im not in the right room [01:42] <_ohm> gaaay [01:42] <_ohm> sorry about that [01:42] M1ck_, mais non [01:42] ah ok [01:42] _ohm: unless you'd like for your univ IT guy to get a nice email, I'd suggest you tone it down. [01:42] maybe if you read my problem you'd know that compikling a new kernel is not that easy [01:43] it is easy, you just need to know how to do it [01:43] with a slow processor and a crappy connection which i hope this other kernel will fix so i can recompile it when i successfully load *that* one [01:43] mordy, not easy at all :D [01:44] How slow of a CPU? [01:44] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "rehash" [01:45] 650 Mhz [01:45] so i'm relying on the network to compile via distcc [01:45] 650 not horrible [01:45] -_- [01:46] I've compiled on a 450 plenty of times [01:46] distcc by web ? [01:46] he's gonna wait about 6 hours [01:46] or network (yours) [01:46] haha [01:46] but since somehting appears to be halving my connection speeds i'm hoping a new kernel will help [01:46] m1ck, local network [01:47] mordy, compile on a faster cpu... you will probably learn faster too [01:47] mohaa. that's why i'm using distcc [01:47] i have a q6600 [01:47] ;) [01:48] mordy, get yourself a config file and tweak it [01:48] q6600 => intel quad core ? [01:48] just m1ck - yes [01:48] that's the distcc server [01:49] so u can compile your kernel on this computer [01:49] why not just compile on the q6600 [01:49] create your pkgtgz with the new kernel and modules [01:49] superGear: :) [01:49] superGear, I asked [01:50] whom ? [01:50] him [01:50] mohaa: so ? [01:50] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:50] perhaps the q6600 cannot... [01:51] is it in windows / cygwin ? [01:51] why couldn't it [01:51] no, but it's debian, with a different kernel [01:51] nerver mind [01:51] mordy: u can compile with a debian-like dist (I think) [01:51] well, if you're so clever, maybe tell me how to compile a kernel for my laptop on this machine on this computer? [01:51] hey .. [01:51] i think it's too much work personally [01:52] what 'crc error' really is? [01:52] i was installing slack 12.2 on one machine ..and [01:52] 1st i had crc error booting of dvd [01:52] then i downloaded d1 image and burned that [01:52] it was booting ok [01:52] errordeveloper, redundancy [01:53] then after reboot on a fresh install i get 'crc error' ;((( [01:53] Action: mohaa is listening to l Burning Spear - Columbus l [01:53] is it something with the box? [01:53] hd? [01:53] maybe bad burns? [01:53] it's not like a new box .. [01:54] did you check the md5 or whatever of the isos ? [01:54] well, now i'm getting it while booting of the harddrive [01:54] yep [01:54] i did check md5 [01:54] the problem is now on the hd [01:54] well .. [01:54] nordle (n=nordle@87.113.70.133.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:54] could be bad burns [01:54] burn at slow speed [01:55] yeah, i did cdrecord speed=2 [01:55] for dvd [01:55] errordeveloper, http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000430.htm [01:55] the installation went fine [01:56] so you mean just the bit of the disk where kernel image package was badly burned? [01:56] and may be some other bits of the disk? [01:57] could still be a bad burn [01:57] Reaver_1 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [01:57] maybe bad media? [01:57] or media was dirty/scratched [01:58] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [01:58] well, .. had a lot more worse disks before [01:58] and it was all good [01:58] so sure it's no the box? [01:59] you could install from HDD [01:59] ..hm // [01:59] mohaa, Just letting you know, status update scripts (like what you are listening to,) are frowned upon. See http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware-rules/rules.html [02:00] didn't think mp3 scripts was allowed [02:01] may be i'll dd the burned disk and md5sum check the image taken of the disk [02:03] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [02:07] LordCalin (n=krypt@75-119-229-184.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [02:08] could crc error be because of hd is too old? [02:09] badblocks i mean .. [02:09] i'm trying to setup slackware in a vmware guest with ports being forwarded to it, iptables is completly flushed and set to accept all and viewing logs i see the incoming packets, but sshd and apache never answer... am I missing something? [02:10] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: "Leaving." 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[02:30] slackytude: i am playing wi th compiz-fusion , just finished compiling everything , very nice integration with gnome using emerald for window manager. much better than the standard compiz [02:31] yeah its nice [02:31] Action: dtanner goes to read the 'compiz keyboard shortcut keys' and goes through ccsm [02:31] never tried compiz went straight to fusion [02:31] i only tried the standard compiz because it was alreay on slackware-12.2 , but i needed more :P [02:32] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [02:32] but really. some of the quirky bugs have gone away since i am runninf fusion/emerald [02:32] Action: mordy says: compiling a bzip on a p3, not a good idea :/ [02:33] mordy, ? [02:33] creating* [02:33] didn't mean compiling lol [02:33] slackytude: how do i get rid of some "fire" =) ?? [02:34] a "fire" extinguisher perhaps? [02:35] Action: slackytude is busy brb [02:35] mordy, if it's about the commandI suggest for you kernel stuff, it won't hurt at all ;) [02:35] haha super+shift+c [02:35] i just realized i didn't even compile the kernel modules yet :| [02:36] so i'm placing everything in the source directory in bzip archive and going to send it over to my main computer [02:36] mordy, easy ;) it may work this time [02:36] and then mount it via nfs. then i hope it will be quicker [02:37] dtanner, just disable it in ccsm [02:37] if we are talking about the fire stuff in compiz-fusion [02:39] mordy, this archive is a sane solution, it will include kernel + modules set + config file [02:39] mohaa: the question is whether it will be quicker over the network [02:39] dunno [02:39] i will still need the headers and preprocessing from the client [02:40] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@214.91.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Client Quit [02:40] step by step [02:40] it would be even worse if the client will first read the file from the server, then send it back to the server and then have the server send it back again [02:41] find out for the kernel 1st [02:41] ok, here's basically what i'm doing: [02:42] whee! [02:42] samba 4 on /. [02:43] wow [02:43] awesome [02:44] tar -cvjf source.tar.bz2 linux-2...source && scp root@distccserver:/slack-source && mount distccserver:/slack-source /usr/src/linux-src-custom && make && make modules [02:45] does the gnu screen that ships with slackware 12.2 have support for vertical-split? [02:46] Action: v3gard is to lazy to check for himself [02:46] *too [02:46] wow, it's taking like 30 minutes just for this machine to make a bzip archive [02:48] v3gard, screen + splitvt works here [02:49] you lazy ass [02:49] slackytude: shift+super+c turns off all firealso, i just found that by looking in ccsm ,or you can just disable it like you said in ccsm, i like to learn shortcu keys though and ccsm has all of the shortcuts listed in each effect/plugin. [02:49] yeah, a long list of shortcuts [02:50] or super+shift+c i should have said [02:50] I like shortcut keys too but not for everything in compiz fusion [02:50] dtanner, tried out expose mode yet? best of compiz-fusion [02:50] I cna't seem to find how to enable window snapping, when i drag a window across it will slide to the next side of the cube with no resistance and i also want/like normal window snapping to edges [02:51] i will find it soon enough [02:51] slackytude: thanks :) [02:51] slackytude: nope , i will look in ccsm for it [02:51] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:51] i'm trying to setup slackware in a vmware guest with ports being forwarded to it, iptables is completly flushed and set to accept all and viewing iptable logs i see the incoming packets to the destination ports, nmap shows both listening on 0.0.0.0 from 0.0.0.0 so they should be wide open... but sshd and apache never answer anything coming from internet instead of intranet... am I missing something? [02:52] Action: slackytude finds no link to samba4 [02:52] bah, why bother with a ./ article if there is no actual version yet [02:52] LordCalin: did you do a "iptables-save" and make triple sure that you get NO output at all ? if you get any output at all the iptables is not 100% flushed. just thought i would throw that out there [02:53] Action: dtanner loads a bowl ( of legal pipe tobaco ) [02:53] pufff pufff [02:55] man, this is such a joke! [02:55] hrmm... your right it's not 100% flushed... [02:55] takes 30 minutes to compress on my old laptop, 20 seconds to decompress on my q6600 [02:55] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:56] LordCalin, routing? [02:56] i have one of these things right now http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/v120/ [02:56] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:57] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:57] nullboy, looks flashy [02:57] well damn, it is routing problem *smacks his head* now i feel stupid [02:57] ^-^ [02:59] i need to make a console cable for it! [02:59] nullboy, by hand` [02:59] ? [02:59] mordy, compress what takes long time? [02:59] yeah [02:59] i have all the stuff [02:59] eh, in business or private [02:59] private [02:59] this is private time. [03:00] [ in bed ] :) [03:00] old_fogie, the partially compiled kernel source and modules [03:00] nullboy, whatever rocks your boat [03:00] [ in bed ] [03:00] Old_Fogie: how ya doin this morning ? [03:00] i think i'll fill that port [ in bed ] [03:00] mordy, well dont use bzip :) use tar -cf (with _no_ view) ; and when decompressing on old boxes,never use the 'v'in tar , my $0.02 [03:01] dtanner, hey how are ya? get your compiz-fusion going? [03:01] renew02 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-164-86.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:01] slackytude: i see "expo" in ccsm , and it shows enabled and that the key to activate is "super+e" but nothing happens . what am I looking for or doing wrong ? [03:01] old_fogie, i guess the framebuffer, yeah [03:01] Old_Fogie: yup the full meal deal =) [03:01] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-164-86.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:01] old_fogie, on a horrible network link, 100 MB vs 500 MB isn't bad [03:02] dtanner, not sure, let me check my setup [03:02] mordy, yes never use 'v' for tar or untar on boxes under 1 gig I find, you can check with the 'time' command for yurself. [03:02] Old_Fogie: fusion is much better. i am running fusion in gnome+emerald [03:02] dtanner, with my dive and build or no? [03:02] script I mean? [03:02] Old_Fogie: ooops , i just did it the old fashion way , i should have used your script ! [03:02] hahah [03:02] Action: dtanner hits himself on the head [03:02] no biggie [03:03] Old_Fogie: i went to the smoke shop today and got my 12 sticks and 2 ounces of nice pipe tobbaco. [03:03] dtanner, just works for me [03:03] hmm... now i'm getting some weird error when i try to run make on the directory [03:04] LordCalin (n=krypt@75-119-229-184.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: "should i stay or should I go.. should I sleep or stay awake.." [03:04] mordy, I use such old boxes, so tar gz a kernel source is a long time vs network transfer, but my network 'seems' ok I guess, no issues like you. I get 3-4 mbs on slowest box, so..500 meg is still only about 1-2 minutes copying vs 20 mintes to tar :) [03:04] slackytude: super+e ? what am i suppse to see, what am i looking for it do ? [03:04] dtanner, man I wish I went. it's been almost 9" of snow per day, and it's really adding up now. [03:04] slackytude: expo that is [03:04] for last few days that is [03:04] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "$(fortune)" [03:04] dtanner, been busy snow blowing the 'yard' [03:04] "scripts/basic/modules.order: invalid argument" [03:05] why am i getting this? [03:05] getting low on my smokes, heh [03:05] damn , it was like 75 degrees here today with clear blue skies , I could kick myself for not taking a ride on the HOG [03:05] dtanner, 4' of snow in the yard [03:05] dtanner, not including drifts, and mounds I made [03:05] hmm.. the file is empty [03:05] dtanner, it is super+e and works for me. it should show you all desktops in a row. might need to tell ccsm that you have more than one desktop. might even need the vube [03:05] Action: slackytude is not sure [03:05] I made one mound of snow about 8' high for the kids to tunnel in tho [03:06] slackytude: try ctrl+alt+down-arrow and tell me if that is what I am suppose to see please [03:07] Old_Fogie: sweet , i wish we had more snow days , we got 0 snow this year , doesn;t seem like we had a winter at all [03:08] dtanner, yeah but you get hurricanes ... a nice picnic table umbrella and a wheel chair == fun [03:08] =) [03:09] fluxnuk31 (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:10] hmm... is it possible something from the archiving got corrupted? [03:10] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:10] but, another 2' more of snow..looks like I'll be up on the roof (darn you Al Gore and this global warming) [03:11] mordy, md5sum on the pc you made it on...md5sum verify on pc you copied too. [03:11] you put the lime in the coke you nut! http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=93003 [03:12] md5sum is only about 30-45sec for a 650 meg iso even on a 266 box [03:12] Old_Fogie, i think ran into one of those makeflag build problems you were mentioning, although i'm not certain [03:12] old_fogie, it's the same [03:12] :| [03:12] nullboy, ! [03:12] could it be something to do with the paths or the time? [03:13] mordy, you'll get errors using distcc from slack to debian (remember we went thru the manpage last night or two ago ) [03:13] dtanner, that doesnt do anything for me [03:13] mordy, oh nm sorry [03:13] old_fogie, i got no errors yesterday [03:13] got confused [03:13] Action: Old_Fogie goes into his hole [03:13] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [03:13] lol [03:13] When i build qt4 on my local box, everything goes fine. If i change it to include the remote host, the remote fails on the same file every time. [03:14] hiptobecubic, did you log your build? ./appname.SlackBuild 2>&1 |tee ./build-appname.log ? Then grep for Error, and grep for distcc ? [03:14] slackytude: it flattens to where I can see all sides of the cube and move through/select any cube side with ctrl+alt+left/right arrows [03:14] hiptobecubic, are you doing CXX=g++ ? [03:14] slackytude: what commands do you use to start fusion ? [03:15] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [03:15] dtanner, sounds about right. I activate it with mouse in left top corner, tho [03:15] dtanner, fusion-icon [03:15] hiptobecubic, or anything like that ? [03:15] hiptobecubic, how are you calling the compiler? [03:15] me cries :( [03:15] Old_Fogie, no and no. I just scrolled up at the command line and found the error (which of course was right near the end). failed to complete on remote host. [03:16] hiptobecubic, are you doing the 'masquerading' from alphageek? [03:16] site that is [03:16] i'm not really sure what was happening though because i vaguely remember there being something about transmission error in the log on the remote box. [03:16] Old_Fogie, no not yet, we had talked about it but i was waiting to see if i caught any errors like you were mentioning [03:16] I am using 'compiz --replace ccp' and then 'emerald --replace' to start compiz and emerald here. I am just curious what DE you are using and what commands you use to start fusion. [03:17] i'm trying something very bold now. i'm compiling it natively on my debian box. let's see how that works... [03:17] dtanner, why don't you use fusion icon? [03:17] hiptobecubic, qt and KDE will always fail using distcc if you're not using alphageeks method [03:17] hiptobecubic, they use an 'old' or 'depracted' libtool [03:17] hiptobecubic: i have no idea why i don;t , i am a newbie compiz user , talk to me about fusion icon please hiptobecubic ? [03:17] Old_Fogie, right. well that's what i discovered. [03:17] dtanner, Im using xfce and start it with fusion icon. I forget how to start it from cmdline by now [03:18] superGear (n=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:18] hiptobecubic, I'm not sure how qt4 or kde4 is; but their 3 series _must_ use masquerading as alphageek has at his site. [03:18] dtanner, didyou build compiz/fusion from SBo [03:18] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) joined ##slackware. [03:18] yes all of it and in the correct build order [03:18] i have it installed [03:18] did you build fusion icon? [03:18] superGear (n=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:18] yes [03:18] superGear (n=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:19] then just run, fusion icon [03:19] it's a tray app that gives you some options [03:19] Old_Fogie, yeah, i hadn't run into any issue until qt4 [03:19] hiptobecubic, it's a pita [03:19] nice that v120 can take FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/sparc.html [03:19] Old_Fogie, i may have to look into setting up those scripts after all. [03:20] hiptobecubic, really, best thing is review my script vs what he has, you'll see my stuff correlates to his with adjustments for later versions in 12.2; and follow his guide. if you got questions flag me down..it'll be worth it belive me. [03:20] if i set a rule with tc is it permanent or do i need to make a script to reestablish it at boot? [03:20] hiptobecubic, if you get the masquerading right, kde/qt use ccache and distcc and parrallel jobs really nicely and fly ; makes it worth it [03:21] "tc" [03:21] Old_Fogie, i really should. I'm such a lazy turd. [03:21] wow... kernel compiled in like 3 minutes on this machine [03:21] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:22] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:23] hiptobecubic, the script I put together/adjusted makes the masquerade links. they're outside the normal path on log-in. root (or whoever runs make) has to "source" the ~/.distcc/text-files which call ~/.distcc/hostlist on the fly prior to build...or build wont see masquerade. to turn off distcc..and/or ccache...just ~/.distcc/dc- or ~/.distcc/c- whichever was run. verify the path by echo $PATH. that's it. BAM! no magic. [03:24] hiptobecubic: did you read lartc.org? [03:24] hiptobecubic, you only have to source and set the masquerade once per login, or never at all. once you unset the path to include masquerade, it's out of path. life back to normal. [03:24] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:25] SiegeX, i read http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.qdisc.classless.html which looks like exactly what i want. but i didn't see it mentioning if it would stay or had to be scripted at boot [03:26] ok, so now that you understand qdisc's the 'Traffic Shaping' section in my firewall will be usefull to you: www.aetherstorm.com/rc.firewall [03:26] hiptobecubic: and no its not persistent you need to put it in a script [03:27] superGear (n=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:28] r0b_ (n=r0b@pool-70-106-233-17.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:29] tomorrow, dell is coming to fix the new PC'S [03:29] at least, thats what they told us [03:30] slackytude, oh what's wrong with them? [03:30] Action: Camarade_Tux waves :) [03:30] hello Camarade_Tux [03:30] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:31] Old_Fogie, they are Dell. That's what is wrong. [03:32] SiegeX, yeah i'm not sure i follow this. there's a lot more going on here than i was expecting [03:32] Motoko-chan, makes me wonder what's better, (a) pay for a dell thru the nose but it lasts forever, or (b) hit/miss but cheap like nowadays [03:33] Dell has sucked for quite some time. [03:33] Motoko-chan, the old dells, wow still running like champs. metal cases,you could drop off a bridge and they still work, heh [03:33] Yeah, I hear that. [03:33] r0b_ (n=r0b@pool-70-106-237-132.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:34] But the new ones will bend from handling. [03:34] I can flex my PE 1750 units. [03:34] Motoko-chan, tho alot of the old dells I find were all proprietary connectors here and there tho. but...well they still work,heh [03:34] I like the HP units. [03:34] Expensive, but sturdy. [03:34] Plus their rail systems are nice. [03:34] hiptobecubic: well keep reading lartc =) [03:34] HP did good in not messing up the ProLiant line. [03:35] yea [03:35] hiptobecubic: the only thing in mine thats not in lartc is using the CLASSIFY target in iptables rather than using 'ip filter' [03:35] I don't know about recent IBM units. Haven't seen them for a few years. [03:36] I do have two NetFinity 4000R units and one NetFinity 5500 M20 that run great. [03:36] The M20 has the odd reboot on occasion, but it isn't production anyway. [03:36] I also have a weird 4500 or something (forget the model) with a bad processor 1 slot. [03:36] The thing runs great with a single processor in slot 2. [03:37] morning Camarade_Tux [03:37] Time for me to sleep though. [03:37] Work tomorrow. [03:37] Old_Fogie, they make an evil, high pitched noise [03:37] night Motoko-chan [03:37] Old_Fogie, as soon as they get connected to power [03:37] slackytude, it's because they are possessed of the evil Dell spirits. [03:38] grrrr...what am i doing wrong this time? [03:38] You should get a priest. [03:38] Motoko-chan, Im betting me money on gremlins [03:38] hi Old_Fogie, hi slackytude :) [03:38] Action: Camarade_Tux feels like going back to bed [03:38] Nah, priest. [03:38] hiptobecubic: also, just focus on the traffic shaping section, unless of course you want to learn how to build a great firewall too =) [03:38] Camarade_Tux, I know that feeling very well [03:38] They need an exorcism. [03:38] Camarade_Tux, but some of us got to work :P [03:39] slackytude, exam week, that's why we have less hours at school ;) [03:39] SiegeX, ideally yes. But i think i'll print this script out so i can make notes all over it while i'm reading or something. It's a lot to try to interpret at once. I have positively no idea how iptables or tc really work. [03:39] As Sun once put in their marketing material: There's a reason the name rhymes with hell. [03:40] Action: slackytude still got some time before exams start [03:40] this week and the next [03:40] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:41] Action: Camarade_Tux will be sympathetic to slackytude when he skies next week :p [03:41] thats great [03:43] grr.. lol [03:43] i have no idea what's going wrong with this compile [03:43] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:45] Camarade_Tux, anway, good luck for you [03:48] slackytude: expo working right now , way sweet [03:54] ping jkwood [03:55] moha_a (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:55] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-59-147.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. 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[04:00] heh, compiling kde --> 03:59:07 up 2 days, 13:15, 1 user, load average: 1.08, 1.12, 1.09 [04:00] moha_a (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Client Quit [04:00] FDCX (i=0@77.81.95.217) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:01] Old_Fogie, hm? [04:01] oh the load average [04:01] :D [04:02] yes it's working hard over there,hahah [04:03] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:03] I'm getting an error after attempting to build a pkg using my slackbuild [04:03] is that supposed to be where 1.00 load average is 100%? so dual cpus? [04:03] dual core at least [04:03] hiptobecubic, this pc I can assure is 'single' :) its' a 266 hmz box with 96mb ram [04:04] mrselfpwn, and it says? [04:04] moh2a (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:04] hah! and you're compiling kde on it? [04:04] yup [04:04] :D [04:04] a test build [04:04] i've heard that load average != cpu usage [04:04] for... 2 days? [04:04] http://pastebin.com/m16f99885 [04:04] hiptobecubic, it'll probably go a few more days. oh my other pc's are busy too LOL [04:04] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Nick collision from services. [04:05] o_O [04:05] hiptobecubic, draws hardly any power tho, keep that in mind fwiw. [04:05] moh2a (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Client Quit [04:05] and i was impatient with qt4 [04:05] Action: Zordrak tries to stay silent about the apostrophe [04:05] ? [04:05] Action: hiptobecubic notices Zordrak's failure to remain silent. [04:05] FDCX (i=0@77.81.95.217) joined ##slackware. [04:06] any clue about the error? [04:06] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.119.246) joined ##slackware. [04:06] what apps in kde manages the startup? [04:06] Action: Zordrak notices hiptobecubic noticing the failure [04:06] Zordrak, apostrophes are sometimes required for pluralization, you know. [04:06] notices nothing [04:06] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:07] Action: nullboy notices the noticing of the notice of failure [04:07] mrselfpwn, looks like your tarball source isn't beeing seen correctly by the build script [04:07] hiptobecubic: link? [04:07] mhhm [04:07] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Client Quit [04:07] Avelino (n=Avelino@mail.paterno.com.br) joined ##slackware. [04:07] Action: Old_Fogie has a feeling spelling nazi's have landed [04:07] how do you suppose i fix that Old_Fogie? [04:07] Old_Fogie: Grammar, not spelling :) [04:07] i used jkwoods sbsuite [04:08] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:08] grammar/spelling mean shit to me :) [04:08] wasn't that more of a syntax error? [04:08] jkwood's EXCUSE me [04:08] mrselfpwn, substitute? [04:08] as in what [04:08] no sbsuit [04:08] Zordrak, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostrophe#Use_in_forming_certain_plurals [04:08] (slackbuild suite [04:09] "Nevertheless, many writers are still inclined to use such an apostrophe when the word is thought to look awkward or unusual without one." [04:09] it makes the slackbuild for you [04:09] I dont care generally... i dont even care about missed apostrophes. It's the use of them where there should be none that bugs me [04:09] http://www.slaxer.com/myscripts/sbsuite.rb [04:09] Zordrak, then you need to get laid more [04:09] mrselfpwn, link? [04:09] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Client Quit [04:09] Old_Fogie: I'm fine, ta [04:09] m0haa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:09] m0haa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Client Quit [04:09] I'm merely pointing out that while many authorities would say that there is no need for one there, the case can still be made that it isn't out of place. [04:10] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:11] Old_Fogie, can you link me to your revision of alphageek's scripts? [04:11] mrselfpwn, I'm not familiar at all with that build script gen. [04:11] hiptobecubic: pc's should be PCs and nazi's should be Nazis [04:11] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Client Quit [04:11] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.119.246) left irc: "Leaving" [04:11] Zordrak, do you make money correcting people in chat? [04:11] or in your daily life? [04:11] lol [04:11] hiptobecubic: I get your point.. but those examples don't qualify afaics [04:12] i'think'it's'safe'to'say'that'we'all'have'a'highly'capable'character'parsing'mechanism'and'a'few'misplaced'apostrophes'won't'cause'a'parsing'error'.' [04:12] Ongavezir (n=ongavezi@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu) joined ##slackware. [04:12] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [04:12] Ongavezir kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: -NOEINTELLIGENCE [04:12] I recenlty met scorchsabber in #python [04:12] Zordrak, the bottom line is, it's not explicitly defined and therefore your opinion is just an opinion. [04:12] he is using gentoo now but he said its the suck [04:12] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:12] nullboy, SYNTAX ERROR: LINE 1: NULLBOY.IRC.CHAT [04:12] so, he will be back soon [04:12] Old_Fogie: No.. I just gen bugged by apostrophes appearing from nomhere thats all.. Don't mean to offend [04:13] s/gen/get/ [04:13] dawm dvora [04:13] DAMN dvorak [04:13] yeah, dvorak looks great. :D [04:13] don't take this the wrong way, but if stuff like this bothers you, you may really want to get some help (and I'm _truly_ saying that in a nice way). [04:13] Why'd he have to put W and M together? [04:14] Good ol' qwerty puts them almost as far apart as possible. [04:14] i *like* dvorak... i just want M awd W separated a little [04:14] Zordrak: btw you missed an apostrophe in thats [04:14] mrselfpwn, have you checked alienBOB's repo, or rworkman or slackyeu? see if they have a script for it. [04:14] Old_Fogie: I am in full blown fusion overload and loving it =) [04:14] so change it. xkb is simple enough [04:15] in a quick scan they look too similar [04:15] no Old_Fogie [04:15] i doubt they will [04:16] Old_Fogie: window how i can take a screen shot or make a video in fusion , i am almost positive I saw a "screenshot" plugin , and I don;t knwo how they make the videos I have seen of fusion-in-action =) [04:16] nullboy: Like i said, I don't care about what's missing; it's IRC and short is the key.. it's adding them where they're not needed that bothers me [04:16] i'm using a custom keyboard layout so that i can type in french without tearing my hair out or learning azerty. [04:16] take a look and see if they have them there then, if not maybe post on SBo mailing list and see if someone has a script for it, or maybe try again here in few hours, maybe someone has a script for it. [04:16] the filesystem is only available as of kernel 2.6.29-rc2 [04:16] dtanner, the videos i don't recall how to do. but the screenshot is easy enough. xfce4-screenshooter-plugin or scrot or something [04:16] dtanner, well gnome screenshot should work. also 'gtk-recordmydesktop' program works well too, SBo has scripts. [04:16] i use the screen-shooter plugin and it's great [04:17] i might just compile it from source Old_Fogie [04:17] I mean it's a file system prog after all [04:17] mrselfpwn, do you have a link to the homepage for it? [04:17] mrselfpwn, sources? [04:17] hiptobecubic: yes thst is the one i am talking about ,wonder what the default shortcut key is for that one [04:17] Action: dtanner looks around in ccsm [04:17] yea [04:17] 1 sec [04:18] dtanner, i believe it's [04:18] the print screen key [04:18] http://oss.oracle.com/projects/btrfs/source.html [04:18] it's easy enough to define your own though. I use printscreen for the whole desktop and alt+printscreen for just the active window [04:18] http://oss.oracle.com/mercurial/mason/btrfs-progs [04:18] notassociated (n=notassoc@155.Red-88-0-239.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [04:19] hiptobecubic: ok thanks, i will try that [04:19] hiptobecubic: correct you are , thanks [04:20] mrselfpwn, I know nada of the mercurial system for cvs to grab the sources there. [04:20] i' ve got a hostap chipset pcmcia card (linksys wpc11 ver 3) that was working ok in master mode and today it does not. whenever i try to put it in master mode by executing iwconfig wlan0 essid etch mode master i get the error:Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported [04:20] http://oss.oracle.com/mercurial/mason/btrfs-progs/archive/tip.tar.gz [04:20] that is the source archive [04:21] ok got it [04:21] k [04:22] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [04:22] soo [04:23] Steelers of Cardinals? [04:23] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [04:24] any one have a good suggestion for a good notebook/netbook in the price range of 300-400 dollars? [04:24] mrselfpwn, that's not an application that can be built using a typical slackbuild as this app needs you to run make for the current kernel, and modprobe, etc. This can be done in a Slackbuild, look at alienbob's madwifi it does similar in the fact that it looks at kernel name, packages for the kernel version, etc. but more likely you'd want to run the build as they say in the file called "INSTALL" in the source. [04:24] i see [04:25] thank you Old_Fogie [04:25] mrselfpwn, anytime you install and run a new kernel, you'll need to redo that process [04:25] gotcha [04:25] makes sense [04:27] Action: mocas_ hi! [04:27] ola [04:27] Old_Fogie, i must have missed it. did you post that link to your ccache/distcc scripts? i need to bookmark it [04:27] hi [04:28] hiptobecubic, oh no sorry, do it now gimme a min [04:29] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [04:29] Old_Fogie: hiptobecubic ->> http://picasaweb.google.com/slacktop/CompizOnSlackwareScreenshots# [04:30] dtanner, looks good to me. My laptop is too weak to run it with my dual monitor setup [04:31] dtanner, heh, nice [04:31] tanks [04:31] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [04:31] dtanner, how do you like expose [04:31] I am lovin fusion , and emerald is noce also, i le it take over metacity [04:31] i love it [04:32] i enjoyed fusion back when i had it :) in my ubu days [04:33] slackytude: but that brings to me to why your ctrl+alt+down-arrow does not work , it is "like" expose but not with the fancy reflections. you let go of down arrow while still holding ctrl+alt then use left and right arrows to scroll through you flattened out cube , . that is not expose but it still shoudl work for you unless your key binding for ctrl+altis already taken [04:33] hiptobecubic, http://pastebin.com/d765e1d6f ; don't forget you need his c+ d+ dc+ dc- hostlist files for the ~/.distcc folder at his site. [04:35] dtanner, very nice :) [04:35] what a CRC desaster! [04:35] ;[ [04:35] dtanner, I had swapped a 'slackball' for the snow flakes and so my desktop snows slackballs,:) [04:36] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [04:36] sweet Old_Fogie [04:36] may be the box is troubled? [04:37] some HW issues ..? [04:37] i booted of cdrom with 'root=/dev/hda1' [04:37] and it was fine [04:37] hiptobecubic: invoke the expose like you left top corner of screen to activate , you should try tactivating the switcher by sliding your mouse pointer in the same way to the riht corner and see if you like that. =) [04:38] but after booting like that a couple of times i get 'crc error' again! [04:39] errordeveloper, yeah i would say that the box is troubled. have you run a memory test on the machine yet? [04:39] dtanner, had to stop using compiz-fusion when i bought my second monitor. My integrated graphics can't do 2960x1050 as a 3d cube :D [04:39] errordeveloper, memory? hard drive? [04:39] and/or checked SMART logs on the drives? [04:41] dtanner, ah, that is flatten cube or however its called. cool, too, but not as nice as expose as it doesntt have a mouse hotspot [04:41] afaik [04:41] and imho [04:41] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:43] mocas_ (n=mocas@87.196.242.75) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:43] man, whats up today [04:43] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [04:44] nothing to do last week and now a zerg rush of idiots [04:44] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [04:44] Action: godling waves [04:44] What's up with the network tonight? [04:44] wich network? [04:44] Um.. Freenode? [04:45] I keep lagging off of kubrick. [04:45] works fine for me [04:45] Maybe it's just me. [04:46] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:49] hiptobecubic: i have a compaq flatscreen that does 1440x900 @60Hz and my onboard video card is -> nVidia Corporation GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 [04:51] godling: try kornbluth.freenode.net ... no lag for me all night on that server [04:52] dtanner: I tried asimov, too. I'm not sure if it's my connection -- possible, since Verizon has been crap all month. [04:52] notassociated (n=notassoc@155.Red-88-0-239.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [04:52] If I lag off again I'll give kornbluth a go. [04:55] dtanner: thanks for the suggestion :) [04:55] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Connection refused [04:57] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [04:58] godling: np man [04:58] well, i did mkfs.btrfs on one of my spare partitions, now when I try to mount it I get "Unable to read super block" [04:58] Action: dtanner eats his spaghetti and meat balls he just nuked [04:58] d0htem (n=d0htem@unaffiliated/d0htem) joined ##slackware. [04:59] Reaver_1 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) left ##slackware. [04:59] moving to slackware tonight :) [04:59] dtanner: A cool thing about spaghetti is that you can keep it in the refrigerator for weeks, microwave it, and it still tastes like spaghetti. [04:59] godling: true that [04:59] <3 spaghetti [04:59] godling: lol ive been doing that for days [04:59] d0htem: good deal =) welcome to slackworld [04:59] godling: hehe [04:59] yeah f ubuntu [04:59] hah [05:00] now now [05:00] and you can use the leftover sauce to make Parmesan chicken [05:00] im dling 12.2 dvd , i can minimal install from there right? [05:00] mrselfpwn: <3 [05:00] d0htem: yes [05:00] d0htem: absolutely! [05:01] cool, i dont want anything but maybe a network manager and kdm [05:01] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:01] and vi :) [05:01] Action: dtanner drops a meatball [05:01] of course vi [05:01] Don't let it roll off the table [05:01] or onto the floor [05:01] stop [05:01] Action: hiptobecubic sighs in relief [05:02] hiptobecubic: collaborate and listen? [05:02] i hope broadcom isnt gonna give me trouble :( [05:02] godling, much better. [05:02] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [05:03] hiptobecubic: boo! [05:03] How's microcenter.com? Any good? [05:04] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:06] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: "Leaving." [05:06] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.24.194) joined ##slackware. [05:07] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[06:13] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [06:13] bartiosze (i=bartiosz@nintendos.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:14] lunch break :D [06:14] woohoo [06:14] hi, folks. What can I use as an alternative to xmessage? Is there something more eye-friendly except gmessage? [06:14] bartiosze, gxmessage [06:16] bartiosze, just search SBo there are a few alternatives, iirc [06:16] slackytude ok, thanks. assumming by the name gxmessage is still related to gnome in some whay probably. [06:16] Action: slackytude shakes head [06:17] It has the g because it works nicely with glade [06:17] afaik [06:17] FDCX_ (i=0@94.176.32.6) joined ##slackware. [06:18] FDCX (i=0@77.81.95.217) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:18] ok, I'll try that after _my_ lunch break:] [06:20] welsidubi (n=welsidub@proxy.amplanet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:21] monod (n=monod@125.167.79.141) joined ##slackware. [06:22] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-4-99-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:23] hey guys m having some problem with dbus... when i launch dbus-monitor it says connection refused.... m using slackware 12.2 [06:24] okay thats all these winboxen setup. with vnc so i can fix problems without having to travel 30km [06:26] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:28] bimzie (n=root@58-65-163-154.nayatel.pk) left irc: "Leaving." [06:28] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) joined ##slackware. [06:32] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) joined ##slackware. [06:34] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [06:39] r0b_ (n=r0b@pool-70-106-237-132.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:40] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:41] bimzie (n=root@58-65-163-154.nayatel.pk) joined ##slackware. [06:42] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:45] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [06:46] fAu (n=fAu@81-174-13-169.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [06:48] is there a way to activate keys on a multimedia-keyboard that don't show up in xev without installing keytouch (which depends on gnome) ? [06:53] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.155) joined ##slackware. [06:55] hi anyone have page link for slackware commands...what to leaarn it... [06:55] ruben23: hi anyone have page link for slackware commands.. [06:56] ruben23, www.slackbook.org [06:57] v3gard: they are activated [06:57] just that nothing will happen when the key press event is recieved [06:59] spook: okey; i rephrase to "how do I figure out the keycodes" :) [06:59] slackytude:thanks [07:00] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "leaving" [07:02] bimzie (n=root@58-65-163-154.nayatel.pk) left irc: "Leaving." 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[07:10] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:10] ruben23: slack comes with mysql [07:10] ruben23, mysql is included in slack [07:10] Action: TwinReverb gets ruben23 an umbrella [07:10] ruben23: read /etc/rc.d/rc.mysql for instructions on setting it up [07:11] how am i going to configure it..?what are the directories.. [07:11] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:11] spook:ok [07:12] and/or /usr/doc/mysql-5.0.67 [07:12] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:12] TwinReverb: he has that impatient sound to him, i figure the quick and dirty guide is best :) [07:13] true which is why i put in the human "optional" operand, "and/or" [07:14] and i was making a joke about how impatient noobs are [07:14] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [07:14] any SLiM users here? [07:14] atom_fox (n=atom_fox@122.55.114.208) joined ##slackware. [07:14] slava_dp, yes [07:14] Im slim! [07:14] guys what's the proper way to upgrade xfce package? [07:15] would the real slim shady please stand up [07:15] i'm having a slight problem. when i kill X with ctrl+alt+bs, slim does not die and so doesn't reloaded [07:15] atom_fox: using upgradepkg [07:15] * get reloaded [07:15] upgradepkg xfce? [07:15] slava_dp, I think I had that once. [07:16] atom_fox: upgradepkg /path/to/newxfcepkg.tgz [07:16] ok thanks i see? [07:16] slackytude, did you find a solution? [07:17] slava_dp, no, killed it [07:17] btw what do I need to download for xfce widgets? [07:17] slackytude, ok, that's what i do all the time ;) [07:17] atom_fox: ?? check rworkman's packages [07:19] atom_fox, lots of widgets on SBo [07:19] xfce genmon rocks [07:19] [ in bed ] [07:19] atom_fox, http://sbopkg.org [07:20] atom_fox, this will assist you with choosing your widgets [07:20] ok thanks for help guys [07:20] [ in bed ] [07:21] slackytude, is slim supposed to run after a successful logon? i have it running in background all the time. [07:21] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [07:22] slava_dp, yes [07:23] slackytude, oh crap, why doesn't it die then? :) i want it dead [07:23] [ in bed ] [07:23] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE91FB8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [07:23] slava_dp, well, if you are in X, killing the X login manager is a bad idea [07:23] Srbo_ (i=1000@p4FE91FB8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [07:23] Srbo_ (i=1000@p4FE91FB8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Client Quit [07:24] slackytude, i'll try that to find out the outcome :) [07:24] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:24] *sigh* [07:24] jota-_ (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:25] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [07:25] slackytude, ok, i see now :D [07:25] told you [07:25] hahah [07:25] noobfarm? [07:25] Action: spook gives slava_dp a prescription for D-U-H [07:26] pity it doesn't react to ctrl+alt+bs tho [07:27] [ in bed ] [07:29] these jokes doing anything for you? [07:30] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:31] lmao [07:31] that was clasic slava_dp [07:31] NF for sure [07:32] mrselfpwn, :D [07:33] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [07:33] atom_fox_ (i=1000@122.55.125.97) joined ##slackware. [07:33] where is the folder of the packages? [07:33] thanks [07:34] submitted [07:34] ?? [07:34] submitted it too [07:34] lol [07:35] quotes in queue: 2 [07:35] heh [07:35] from (07:21:03 AM) to (07:24:26 AM) [07:35] dont know, no timestamps for me [07:36] ahh [07:36] atom_fox: folder? [07:36] we will see [07:36] yes [07:36] its a directory not a folder [07:36] how long does it take? [07:36] atom_fox: /var/log/packages/ have a look at the files in that directory. [07:36] slackytude: lol [07:36] Zordrak, ^-^ [07:36] mrselfpwn, until Domian feels like it I think [07:37] ActionParsnip (n=andrewwo@cpc2-leed14-0-0-cust120.leed.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [07:37] err Dominian [07:37] Solixa (n=xeon@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [07:37] ActionParsnip (n=andrewwo@cpc2-leed14-0-0-cust120.leed.cable.ntl.com) left ##slackware. [07:37] ahh [07:37] lots of funny new stuff on noobfarm [07:37] Hey, how can I get my res to exceed 1024*768? [07:37] with an nVidia 8700m GT [07:37] ? [07:38] nvidia-settings [07:38] Solixa: increase the h and v sync to match your monitor's capabilities [07:38] spook, new to linux, no idea how. ;P [07:38] Solixa: using the binary nvidia driver? [07:39] sec, messing with the driver. [07:39] nvidia-settings Solixa [07:39] thanks [07:39] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:39] run it as root and click save xorg.conf [07:40] sudo nvidia-settings would be correct [07:40] you need to run it as super root [07:40] Have to wait untill nvidia.com stops failing. [07:40] su - then sudo nobody [07:41] erm [07:41] su - then su nobody [07:41] i don't have to be in root, can do it as superuser? [07:41] super root [ in bed ] [07:41] spook, stop trolling [07:42] lol [07:42] slava_dp: stop? i only just started [ in bed ] [07:42] atom_fox (n=atom_fox@122.55.114.208) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:42] eh sudo command would work. [07:42] yes [07:42] Solixa: no it wouldnt [07:42] it's the same thing [07:42] as su [07:42] command [07:42] theres no command called nobody [07:42] or sudo command [07:42] not exactly but it will work [07:42] there is a USER called nobody [07:42] i thought you were replacing the password field with "nobody" [07:42] /shrug [07:43] good job confusing the poor guy [07:43] atom_fox_ (i=1000@122.55.125.97) left irc: "Leaving" [07:43] no, changing the current user to be nobody, so you have no permissions. [07:43] bartiosze (i=bartiosz@nintendos.pl) left ##slackware. [07:44] >_< [07:47] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [07:47] r0b_ (n=r0b@pool-71-244-142-161.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:48] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:48] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.73) joined ##slackware. [07:49] would anyone care to explain me why xev and showkey display different keycodes when I press the same button? [07:49] in hex or something [07:49] escape sequences [07:49] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-68-233-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [07:50] dimmerbold (i=dimbold@port.23.telnetd.org) joined ##slackware. [07:50] Somewhere, just out of sight, the unicorns are gathering. [07:51] [ in bed ] [07:51] mrselfpwn: actually, they're gathering in my yard as me speak (err... chat) [07:54] [MA]Amine_ (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:56] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [07:57] unicorns are tasty [07:58] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.118.233.247.wireless.dyn.drei.com) joined ##slackware. [07:58] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:58] indeed [07:58] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [07:58] [ in bed ] [07:59] mwendi (n=ledre@120.162.11.227) joined ##slackware. [07:59] spook, you really like [ in bed ] [07:59] xdoctor (n=xdoctor@201.79.97.179) joined ##slackware. [07:59] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:59] i do really like [ in bed ]...... [ in bed ] [07:59] eh [08:00] Solixa (n=xeon@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:00] btw, anybody got a bit of know how about DNS? [08:01] yes i do [08:01] ... [ in bed ] [08:01] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:04] spook, is it true then, that I always need a reverse lookup zone ? [08:04] nope. [08:04] you can have whatever the fuck you want. [08:05] spook, I see [ in bed ] [08:05] i dont have a rev lookup, but my isp does, for my ip [08:05] spook: it depends who will be asking what [08:06] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-191021.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:06] I have revs... but people ask my ISP for thew even though i am authoritative for the domain because it's their netblock [08:07] indeed. [08:07] i guess the Q is.. why wouldnt you have them [08:07] because you dont care about rev? [08:08] still i would classify not spcifying them as laziness [08:08] i specified your mum. [08:08] [ in bed ] [08:08] internal lookups prolly query yours [08:08] [08:10] I'm just curious [08:10] the DNS for our LAN is totally unreliable [08:10] usually, we have to edit the hosts file on windows so it can find and join the Domain [08:10] whats running the dns? [08:10] just wondering why its so bad [08:11] Win2003 AD [08:11] yeah might be why. [08:12] for example a dig for atlantis gives me nxdomain [08:12] but atlantis.ava.cosoba gives me 3 different IPs [08:12] atlantis.ava.cosoba.de. 3600 IN A 192.168.0.4 [08:12] atlantis.ava.cosoba.de. 3600 IN A 192.168.8.1 [08:12] atlantis.ava.cosoba.de. 3600 IN A 192.168.202.1 [08:12] different subnets [08:13] same machine [08:13] 3 different network cards? [08:13] 3 different vlans? [08:13] no, just one but with VMware server [08:13] virtual adapters [08:13] yeah [08:13] exactly [08:13] vlans or something [08:14] go bug your sysadmin :) [08:14] everything physical is on *.0.255 [08:14] or just open cabinets and unplug wires and randomly replug them [08:14] and he'll come to you [08:14] heh, he is sitting behind me [08:15] Solixa (n=xeon@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [08:17] err [08:18] if I do a nslookup atlantis on a windows client, it will give me nxdomain for the first three tries, then the correct ip's then its 3 times nxdomain again [08:18] O_o [08:19] MS + DNS = Broken [08:19] >-< [08:19] well yeah broken + broken = broken [08:19] anyone configured wi-fi with wpa_supplicant? it's such a mess, i can't figure out how to do it properly. [08:20] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [08:20] slava_dp: use wicd [08:20] slava_dp, did you back up the config file before you started modifying it? [08:20] spook, on the server [08:20] slackytude: you should use bind on a nix machine. [08:20] spook, no shit, sherlock [08:20] Action: TwinReverb didn't know slackytude was into that [08:20] TwinReverb, yes [08:20] slackytude: nxdomain means you need to use nix to run that domain :P [08:21] slava_dp, what specific problems are you having? [08:21] spook, Im not good at DNS, never did stuff with bind, our win admin wouldnt like it and it probably wouldnt work with AD for all I know [08:21] on the other hand, I dont have much to do right now [08:21] slackytude: if you arent moving around your DCs you'll be fine [08:21] TwinReverb, i did the necessary edits to rc.inet1.conf and to wpa_supplicant.conf but wpa_supplicant does not appear to start [08:22] i don't bother using rc.inet1.conf with it but oh well [08:22] slackytude: I am *currently* using bind & AD together in harmony [08:22] slava_dp, you're using -Dwext right? [08:23] TwinReverb, have to go now, i apologize. will get back in a couple of hours. thanks. [08:23] it's ok [08:23] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "#E>6C" [08:23] bbeecher (n=bbeecher@stu231-246.bard.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:24] telekinesis is impossible, due to thermal dymanics [08:25] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.218.103) joined ##slackware. [08:26] thos evil dymanics! [08:26] spook, Zordrak right. gonna write it on my todo list. Its just today, then I wont be working for three weeks. [08:26] well, if you stopped a bullet using your mind, you would have to have energy enough to stop the bullet disappear from your body [08:27] an inconvenient truth! [08:27] and I wont start messing with it on my last day [08:28] Zordrak, so you got a 2003 AD and a linux machine serving dns with bind? [08:28] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:28] slackytude: why not? thats the best time to make lots of undocumented changes [08:28] spook, heh, nah, Its me who gets called when things dont work right [08:28] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:29] so you fix them and get call out after pretending to be puzzled for 3 hours at triple play [08:29] heh, another nub question incoming. [08:29] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/moodin/pkg/12.0/ [08:29] last time I got called because the boss wanted to do a bulk mail to invite some customers to an event and the idiots couldnt get the e-maiils out of DB into outlook [08:29] hi...im installing mysql 5...problem is i dont have var directory....why is it.. [08:29] moodin, i got the .tar but how do i install it? [08:30] on my mysql directory...i dont have var subdir.. [08:30] er .tgz* [08:30] so, I had to get to work for a 5 minute job which took almost two hours in the end [08:30] ruben23: can you be any more of a noob? [08:30] ruben23, why install it? [08:30] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) left irc: "Quitte" [08:31] spook: no [08:31] he can't [08:31] Solixa, installpkg [08:32] Solixa, note that this version is for slack 12.0 [08:32] pretty sure i'm on 12 [08:32] thanks [08:32] anyone else use VirtualBox? [08:32] slackytude: yes [08:32] no i use kvm because i have proper paravirt [08:32] mrselfpwn: yes [08:32] stormsurge (n=steve@208.253.106.122) joined ##slackware. [08:33] wtf [08:33] -bash: installpkg: command not found [08:33] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [08:33] O.O [08:33] Phil-san (n=philipp@p54BFDD5A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:33] I upgraded my kernel and now it is saying something about the VirtualBox module not loading. Do i have to reinstall VB or can i just update the module? [08:33] xdoctor (n=xdoctor@201.79.97.179) left irc: "Leaving" [08:34] slackytude:sorry wrong term..i mean configuring... [08:34] pupit1 (n=p@91.150.106.45) joined ##slackware. [08:34] update the module [08:34] im configuring mysql... [08:34] ruben23: run "mysql_install_db --user=mysql" [08:35] then run "mysql_secure_installation" [08:35] oh had to be su, hah fail. [08:35] got it [08:35] spook, how would I do it? [08:35] pupit1 (n=p@91.150.106.45) left irc: Client Quit [08:35] mrselfpwn: *shrug* [08:35] slackytude, Do i have to do anything after i installpkg, like make && install etc? [08:35] no Solixa [08:36] thanks [08:36] make a cup of coffee [08:36] that is all [08:36] Hi all...I'd like to run Slackware in a VM under Windows. Does Slack run better under VMware or VirtBox for things like external HW support? Specifically USB drive suppt? [08:36] I use VB and usb works fine [08:36] stormsurge: do it the other way round [08:37] either is fine but vbox ftw [08:37] yeah [08:37] Solixa (n=xeon@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:37] spook. I'd like to, but I only have one machine assigned to me, and I need windoes [08:37] VMware has always just seemed like a pain to me [08:37] dont use vmware [08:37] why do you "need" Windows? [08:37] the vmware extensions dont play nice with slack [08:38] stormsurge, using vmware and it works fine [08:38] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:38] Solixa (n=xeon@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [08:38] stormsurge, actually not sure about usb [08:38] mrselfpwn: I need windows because this is a lab box (my primary forensic machine) and I'm doing case work. [08:39] I cant just wipe it and put slackware on it, but I want to learn linux [08:39] i see [08:39] stormsurge, even the win guests have trouble with usb so I doubt linux works [08:39] zipslack ;] [08:39] In windows I had usb working nicely using VirtualBox [08:39] with kvm i have perfect usb passthrough to the guest machine [08:40] what's "kvm"? [08:40] (i'm googleing it) [08:40] Alright! another problem, xD [08:40] Phil-san (n=philipp@p54BFDD5A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "leaving" [08:40] device /dev/dsp can't be opened - permission denied [08:40] sound isn't working [08:40] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:41] sigh [08:41] Is your user a member of the audio group? [08:41] no [08:41] didn't know to do that [08:42] add them to the audio group and it should work [08:42] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:43] you may also want to add them to usb [08:43] mrselfpwn, that'd be /usr/sbin what? [08:43] aspera (n=Ka@78.147.23.58) joined ##slackware. [08:43] useradd [08:43] i don't want to add another user [08:43] Phil-san (n=philipp@p54BFDD5A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:44] no, its gpasswd [08:44] gpasswd -a USER GROUP [08:44] eh [08:44] clearly passwd has nothing to do with sound [08:44] aspera (n=Ka@78.147.23.58) left ##slackware ("y0"). [08:44] Phil-san (n=philipp@p54BFDD5A.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware. [08:44] or usergrps [08:44] well, if you know it, why ask? [08:45] because i don't know [08:45] oh [08:45] I told you. to add a user to a group: [08:45] sorry [08:45] gpasswd -a USER GROUP [08:45] man gpasswd'd it [08:45] sorry >_< [08:45] usermod [08:45] Solixa: hello it have you tried turning it off and on again? [08:45] I feel like an asshole now [08:46] well is it definately plugged in? [08:46] mrselfpwn, usermod aint good [08:46] spook no my computer isn't plugged in [08:46] how come? [08:46] mrselfpwn, it will drop groups [08:46] it runs on lulz and vibrations [08:46] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [08:46] man usermod. look for -G switch: [08:46] If the user is currently a member of a group which is not listed, the user will be removed from [08:46] the group [08:47] so, if you do a usermod USER -g sound the user is a member of sound *only* dropping all other group memberships [08:47] like user, plugdev [08:47] yeah i know [08:47] you have to type them all [08:48] eh [08:48] stormsurge: can you dual boot? [08:48] rather use gpasswd then [08:48] ok [08:48] thanks [08:48] no sweat [08:48] probably, but I'd rather use a vm so I dont' have to boot back and forth. [08:50] okay, but will you really be "booting back and forth"? The reason I ask is that forensics means dealing with hardware issues and understanding how Linux deals with devices. Using a VM might mask some of that from you. [08:50] use a vm inside a vm [08:50] lol [08:50] Solixa (n=xeon@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:50] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [08:51] inside a sandbox [08:51] hmmm, i has an idea [08:51] need a jack [08:51] create an initrd that can use qemu. [08:51] oops mistell [08:51] put a copy of the initrd, inside itself [08:51] Action: mrselfpwn is playing poker. [08:51] repeat for n levels of recursion [08:51] dguitar (n=dguitar@cpe-72-224-221-147.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:51] start it with qemu [08:52] Solixa (n=xeon@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [08:52] mrselfpwn, strip poker? [08:53] i striped your mum then poked her ^_^\ [08:53] hehe [08:53] let's get off moms. [08:53] I just got off yours. [08:53] [ in bed ] [08:54] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:54] I could do with another cup of coffee [ in bed ] [08:54] i could do with breakfast [in bed] [08:54] breakfast? i 'ardly know her! [08:55] Ether_Man_ (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:55] likapoonanny [08:56] [in bed] [08:57] Kratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.146) joined ##slackware. [08:57] gah, remote support [08:58] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:00] wdyy (n=wdyy@211.138.36.89) joined ##slackware. [09:00] stormsurge (n=steve@208.253.106.122) left irc: "leaving" [09:02] Kratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.146) left irc: "... Leaving" [09:03] time for another cup of coffee [09:03] welsidubi (n=welsidub@proxy.amplanet.com.br) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:03] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [09:03] welsidubi (n=welsidub@proxy.amplanet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:03] has anyone tested ext4? [09:03] i have [09:04] it works well [09:07] mrselfpwn: are you usng any new features? [09:08] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:08] i am not using it now [09:08] i did before [09:10] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [09:10] ext4 is cool. [09:10] do you guys use/ can recommend a gui frontend for bind? [09:10] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.73) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:10] Action: slackytude hides [09:10] slackytude: emacs [09:11] slackytude: hide better [09:11] heh [09:11] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-191021.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Freedom is secured not by the fulfilling of one's desires, but by the removal of desire. So to a mind that is still the whole [09:12] Nick change: Sleepymess -> Emess [09:12] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [09:12] in fact ive never even heard of one let alone know anyone who would dream up such a thing [09:12] http://freshmeat.net/projects/webbind/ [09:13] pff [09:13] just use /etc/named.conf [09:13] its not hard [09:13] its not about me [09:13] LOL [09:13] but if I set it up, win admins may have to use it too [09:13] WeBBind 2002 [09:14] slackytude: they just need to know how to edit a zone file [09:14] if you can't use the mouse, its fail [09:14] Notepad [09:15] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.158.7) joined ##slackware. [09:15] that allws use of a mouse [09:15] that sounds like a disaster waiting to happen with multpile editing the same named/bind config file(s) ! [09:15] s/multpile/multiple/ [09:16] I use smbind [09:16] well, there is webmin on SBo but, eh, I dont like the looks of it [09:16] Dominian, thx, gonna check [09:16] i use the threat of broken knee caps to leave my bind server alone [09:16] puff puff [09:16] Dominian, noobfarm quotes pending.... [09:16] repsol__ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:16] i hear ya spook [09:16] mwendi (n=ledre@120.162.11.227) left irc: "Leaving" [09:17] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:17] good morning to all ( btw ) =) [09:18] Dominian, looks good [09:18] dtanner there's nothing good about mornings :P [09:19] good morning? i 'ardly know her! [09:20] got that right [09:22] mrselfpwn: =D [09:22] jkwood [09:22] good to see you [09:23] just the man i needed to talk to [09:23] I am using your sbsuite though the builds they produce are giving me errors [09:23] Whu-oh. [09:24] Which ones? [09:24] I have built two and they both do [09:24] like [09:25] jkwood: whu-row [09:25] are you gonna be one for a few minutes? [09:25] slackytude: I like how smbind works.. as it ties itself INTO bind with an "Include" rather than editing the direct file [09:25] slackytude: the nice thing about that is.. smbind DOES store its information into mysql.. however if you have someone who wants to use you as a master dns and push dynaminc updates.. you can do that.. without using smbind.. makes it very nice [09:25] i tied myself into your mum [ in bed ] [09:25] Yeah, I'll be here about an hour, for sure. [09:26] The double deuce. [09:26] well i'm done so i can talk now [09:26] Dominian, sounds good. [09:26] Dominian, wont check it out today tho. Ill be back in three weeks [09:26] Dominian: ping [09:27] alisonken1home: pong [09:27] egenera (n=ss@118-160-171-52.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [09:27] hahaha [09:27] Dominian: locked myself out of testing.noobfarm. and just when I had a day to play :) [09:27] alisonken1home: I see why [09:27] alisonken1home: no worries giv emea minute [09:27] alisonken1home: just got the "locked out" email [09:28] [ in bed ] [09:28] Dominian, while you are there, process the quotes [09:28] please with sugar on top [09:28] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) joined ##slackware. [09:28] alisonken1home: should be good to go now [09:28] slackytude: already did [09:28] kewl ^-^ [09:28] thanks [09:28] slackytude: there were two that were the "same" lol [09:28] If I know what you've run into build errors on, then I can probably figure out why. [09:28] ok, jkwood; here is what i get; http://pastebin.com/d70108f77 [09:28] Dominian, yeah, I know. two idiots, one mind [09:28] That's even better. =) [09:29] [ in bed ] [09:29] Interesting. [09:29] yes [09:30] i put in the pkg name and the version [09:30] all the info you ask for [09:30] and your script looks solid [09:31] blixkater (i=r0b3rt@xs7.xs4all.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:31] It does. I think I probably know what's going on, but I should know for sure in a second here. [09:31] but it doesn't put the pkgnam in front for some reason [09:31] okay [09:32] excuse me "PROGNAME" [09:32] bow chicka bow wow [09:33] PRGNM? [09:33] PRGNAM, I think. [09:33] PRGNAM [09:33] yeah [09:33] PRGNAM [ in bed ] [09:34] typoed out the A to make sure you were all paying attention! [09:34] You passed the test! [09:34] lol [09:34] you manage noobfarm Dominian? [09:34] aye [09:34] along with slackwaregallery.org [09:34] for the time being [09:34] Slackytude and I submitted a nice piece [09:34] Abby doesn't manage slackwaregallery.org anymore? [09:34] mrselfpwn, its already online ^-^ [09:35] oh nice lol [09:35] Weird... Line 5 should set the version... Could you pastebin the SlackBuild produced please? [09:35] yes [09:36] Oh, now I see what I did. [09:36] zGhost: negative [09:36] zGhost: it actually was slackwaregallery.com.. unfortunately he was deployed to iraq.. [09:36] http://pastebin.com/d7f673190 [09:37] zGhost: He wasn't where he could do anything with it.. so I registered slackwaregallery.org and we mvoed the site over [09:37] oxon_ (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [09:37] zGhost: he and phrag kind of.. betrothed it to me [09:37] mrselfpwn: http:/slaxer.com/myscripts/sbsuite.rb [09:38] I just found and fixed the PRGNAM thing. I forgot that I had changed it in my local copy, and not the online one. [09:38] what was the problem? [09:38] Action: jkwood really needs to put this thing in git so he can track it [09:38] zGhost: and since all that started Enom.. the registrar for slackwraegallery.com.. instead of releasing it when he didn't re-register it.. they took it "hostage" and are now "selling the domain off".. damn squatters [09:38] There was a space in there, which meant that the PRGNAM variable didn't get assigned. [09:39] Kool-Aid (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: "Leaving" [09:39] not that it matters.. I don't see too much traffic to the gallery [09:39] ah [09:39] Dominian: :( [09:39] Instead of PRGNAM= btrfs-progs, it should be PRGNAM=btrfs-progs [09:39] Dominian: you run slackadelic right? [09:39] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:39] slackadelic/noobfarm/slackwaregallery [09:39] Also, they apparently don't use a configure script for btrfs-progs, only a make. [09:39] brb.. need to do a damn image restore.. argh.. I hate this part of restores... bbiab [09:39] I'm hacking on that as we speak. [09:39] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [09:40] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:40] what does sbsuite do? [09:40] Okay, I see. What I fixed should fix all the problems you saw. [09:40] okay, just that one space? [09:41] I just updated my local copy [09:41] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Client Quit [09:41] removing the space [09:41] Yep. The script still won't work, but it will be much closer. [09:41] slackytude: It automates the building of SlackBuilds. [09:41] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [09:41] does it work? [09:41] Dominian: do you hand out and webhosting? [09:41] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:41] I was interested in getting a small homepage together [09:41] It also makes your .info file, as well as creating a skeleton slack-desc and README. [09:41] And yes, it works. =) [09:42] ^-^ [09:43] btw, anybody tried src2pkg ? [09:43] does that work too? [09:43] Never tried it, no. [09:43] allend (n=allend@210-84-11-49.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:44] mrselfpwn: TAG is meant to be your tag. For example, SlackBuilds.org scripts get SBo, my scripts get jkw, rworkman uses rlw... ;) [09:44] The-Croupier (i=3e26f40d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1037dd14fe62fffa) joined ##slackware. [09:44] greetings. [09:44] i dont have any time... but i just wanted to say hi ;) [09:45] hope you are all doing well :) and kicking :) [09:45] Arirang (n=Arirang@pool-72-90-122-217.ptldor.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:45] y0 The-Croupier [09:45] ahhh gotcha jkwood [09:45] ty [09:45] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [09:45] foldingstock (n=foldings@68-117-248-108.dhcp.mtgy.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [09:46] ok [09:46] zGhost: Only if someone in here can vouch for you :P [09:46] works until [09:46] http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/mason/btrfs/btrfs-progs-0.18.tar.bz2 [09:46] er woops [09:46] I've had too many people I gave hosting to.. that just.. did NOT know wtf they were doing and it was a nightmare [09:46] ./btrfs-progs.SlackBuild: line 36: ./configure: No such file or directory [09:47] hm, btrfs isn't in the kernel yet o.O [09:47] it's in mine XD [09:47] sexy [09:47] people have wierd taste [09:47] well, i don't know if that can even be made into a slackbuild [09:49] The-Croupier (i=3e26f40d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1037dd14fe62fffa) left irc: Client Quit [09:49] jkwood, it is safe to set my arch in your suite to i686 ay? [09:49] core2 duo processor [09:49] Sure enough. =) [09:49] I personally use the x86_64, but I am running Slamd64. ;) [09:49] right [09:50] mrselfpwn: I'll have a working SlackBuild for ya in about five minutes. [09:50] thanks for fixing your screwup [09:50] lol [09:50] ;) [09:50] thrice`: btrfs well be in 2.6.29. but btrfs-progs is userspace ;) [09:50] i have 2.6.29-rc2 running right now [09:51] it adds some enhancements to 3d display too [09:51] so i guess that is good [09:52] quit a bit of new hardware support [09:52] quite* [09:54] pprkut: not marked stable, I didn't think ? [09:54] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:54] thrice`: correct [09:54] far from stable [09:54] I live on the edge [09:55] THE EDGE?!? [09:55] well, it was supposed to go stable by the end of 2008 :) [09:55] the edge [ in bed ] [09:55] Ubuntu Edgy [09:55] mrselfpwn: in the Quake 2 map? [09:55] killer [09:55] lol [09:55] thrice`: only on-disk-format I think [09:55] quake 3 buddy [09:55] i need a working key [09:56] i lost mine [09:56] mrselfpwn: just play on non-punkbuster servers [09:56] yeah [09:56] yeah then you have to deal with cheating asshats [09:56] screw that [09:56] sucks though, because you know people are cheating [09:56] though I don't like when people cheat [09:56] mrselfpwn: Try this on for size: http://pastebin.com/m67b44aa8 [09:56] right Dominian [09:57] I was playing instagib, then this one guy got 40 kills in 3 minutes [09:57] I personally hate Quake 3, the netcode sucks big time [09:57] gah [09:57] gorkicht (n=a@e179145138.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:57] what did you change jkwood? [09:59] it is fscking working! [09:59] made the package [09:59] awesome [09:59] Well, for one, I took out the configure line. [10:00] You'll want to use at least i486, maybe i686 in your ARCH. There was no i386 defined. ;) [10:00] I had to sed the makefile, because it wasn't paying attention to --prefix. [10:00] And... I made a couple of nice changes that weren't really needed, but cleaned it up a little. [10:01] ok cool [10:01] well it is saying Cannot install btrfs-progs*.tgz: package does not end in .tgz [10:01] nvm forget that [10:01] it moves it to /tmp not the current directory [10:02] Yep. =) [10:02] great it works. :) [10:02] You can change that if you so desire... $TMP would become $CWD, I think. [10:02] In the makepkg line, that is. [10:02] right [10:03] No, wait... $OUTPUT would become $CWD. That's the ticket. [10:03] gotcha [10:03] Solixa (n=xeon@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:04] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE91FB8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:04] The main problem with my sbsuite script is that it makes assumptions about the software you're trying to build. If it doesn't have a ./configure script, it fails. If it uses a different build system like cmake or setup.py, it fails. [10:05] I really should work on making it more robust. =/ [10:05] if cmake; echo "JK sucks" [10:06] now, what is the difference in yours and sbopkg? [10:06] I know that sbopkg has a gui [10:06] Solixa (n=xeon@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [10:07] hey, about that nvidia driver you told me about years ago.. [10:07] mhhm [10:07] i can't run it while X is running, but when i kill X [10:07] it just brings me back to the ugly login screen [10:07] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [10:07] ^ [10:07] you can run it [10:07] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:07] nvidia-settings? [10:08] I haven't even installed it [10:08] ah [10:08] can't install it with x running [10:08] hit ctrl alt bs like 3 times in a row [10:08] or 4 [10:08] lolk, brb [10:09] Well, sbopkg makes use of SlackBuilds that already exist on SlackBuilds.org. Mine just automates the creation of a SlackBuild and the associated files, which makes it easier on you when there's no pre-existing SlackBuild. [10:09] Solixa (n=xeon@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:09] ahh [10:09] nice [10:09] didn't you say in your description you will send me 6 dollars [10:09] Solixa (n=xeon@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [10:09] did nothing [10:09] lol [10:09] lol [10:09] 5 dollars, actually. [10:10] Well, of course sent me to the ugly domain login [10:10] but [10:10] yeah [10:10] right [10:10] i forget how to stop that [10:10] anyone know? [10:10] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [10:10] And it said I *may* send you five dollars. May. ;) [10:10] i think i might have an idea [10:10] as fail as i am [10:10] you can remove exec xdm from the kernel boot param [10:11] i have to do xdm to start kde [10:11] ^ [10:11] i have to do it manually [10:11] ah [10:11] so before doing that i can install it from there [10:11] kill it [10:11] kill xdm? [10:11] egenera (n=ss@118-160-171-52.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:11] you can [10:11] that works [10:11] i really don't want to hard reboot [10:11] my BIOS makes a beeping noise which is loud as fuck [10:12] lol [10:12] killing it bbs [10:12] Solixa (n=xeon@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:16] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:17] pankracy (n=pankracy@fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:18] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:19] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:19] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [10:20] gorkicht (n=a@e179145138.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [10:21] never good to see "killing it bbs" and then no return. [10:21] I really don't... Oh. [10:22] hi anyone doing cpan on slackware.. [10:22] Perhaps the easiest way to switch runlevels would have been to telinit 1, do as he needed with installing the graphics driver, then telinit 4. [10:22] wdyy (n=wdyy@211.138.36.89) left irc: Connection timed out [10:22] he needed to be out of X [10:23] Which is what telinit 1 accomplishes. ;) [10:23] ruben23: I have done cpan in the past. [10:23] it doesn't kill X does it? [10:23] I'm pretty sure it does. [10:23] mrselfpwn: telinit 1? [10:23] And networking, and all sorts of stuff. [10:23] mrselfpwn: you bet your arse it does kill X. [10:23] lol [10:24] BP{k}:can you check this what cause this error:http://pastebin.com/m29f8ae7a [10:24] mrselfpwn: have a read through /etc/rc.d/rc.K [10:24] okay [10:26] yeah, i'd say that will do it [10:29] ruben23: hm no idea. What goes wrong there. [10:32] oxon_ (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Connection timed out [10:33] welsidubi (n=welsidub@proxy.amplanet.com.br) left irc: "Tickle-Me Elmo uses The 7 Deadly Sins.. *giggle* *giggle* *giggle*   [www.t7ds.com.br]" [10:34] /quit [10:34] bigpaws (n=karl@plns-64-111-131-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:35] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [10:35] allend (n=allend@210-84-11-49.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [10:37] oxon_ (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [10:37] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=Nikolai-@201.20.64.142) joined ##slackware. [10:38] What encryption would you guys recommend for luks? [10:38] luks? [10:38] alkos333: rot52 [10:38] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [10:39] BP{k}, more than twice the security of rot13 :P [10:39] slackytude: exactly! [10:40] hey BP{k} [10:40] I prefer a good 78-level Caesar's Cipher. [10:40] lw0x15: g'day :) [10:40] Seriously though [10:41] BP{k}: rot26 ftw! [10:41] there's one fish something ... [10:41] I can't remember somebody it's the best [10:41] alkos333: blowfish [10:41] Zordrak: there are some security issues with rot26 that are fixed in rot52 [10:42] BP{k}: lol [10:42] :P [10:42] Zordrak: Thanks! [10:46] mindbendr (n=neveraga@80.68.37.171) joined ##slackware. [10:46] crap... my X is crashing about 1-2 time /week [10:47] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:48] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.218.103) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:48] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@plns-64-111-131-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [10:49] Kaapa: using any odd drivers [10:49] or experimental X drivers? [10:49] I'm using ati driver [10:49] ... guess that counts as "odd driver" [10:50] Yeah.. not sure if it's the same way now [10:50] but ATi has had some issues [10:51] most of their drivers are of alpha quality [10:51] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [10:51] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:51] Zordrak: I've heard that twofish has better performance than blowfish [10:52] alkos333: hehe that's a cool name for encryption [10:52] onefish, twofish, redfish, bluefish [10:52] alkos333: i was just filling in your "something -fish" [10:52] yes [10:52] Basically [10:52] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [10:53] "thereisnofish" [10:53] rot78 is still a little experimental, but it's looking pretty stable. [10:54] BP{k}: you any good with C ? [10:54] lw0x15: not really. [10:54] I lurvs me some C. [10:56] :) [10:57] there arent that many jobs with C these days [10:57] s/with C// [10:58] Theoretically, if you know C, you can code C++ without much problem. [10:58] probably a lot of c#, php, and java jobs [10:58] looking for COBOL programmers :D [10:58] lol [10:58] slackytude: You're not gonna believe this... [10:58] my landlord [10:58] jkwood, trust me, I am [10:58] was COBOL mainframe ( i think) developer/programer in 80's [10:58] lw0x15, heh, wow [10:59] I'm sitting in a COBOL course as we speak. [10:59] lw0x15, they look for COBOL ppl , these days [10:59] jkwood, I belive that [10:59] slackytude: yeah ill tell him lol [10:59] jkwood, heh, poor guy [10:59] but idk he's retired i think [10:59] he retired in 200 [10:59] 2000 [10:59] why does COBOL sound like "homo"? [10:59] I should get some rest [10:59] Because you talk funny? [11:00] "Co-Bawl" [11:00] no, because I read funny [11:01] kama (n=kama@host94-231-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[11:33] http://iht.com/articles/2009/01/07/europe/07london.php [11:34] epic win. [11:34] :O [11:34] zGhost: the e with acute accent is your not-frenh indicator [11:35] personally i'd say portugese [11:35] yeah [11:35] Action: BP{k} does a whois [11:35] Channels | #slackware-br <-- ding ding .. points to Zordrak for this round. [11:36] linuxluvr (n=linuxluv@117.200.145.16) joined ##slackware. [11:36] hmm, they're all based on latin for the most part [11:36] that's why a lot of it looks the same [11:37] spanishy but not quite spanish or covered in spaghetti == portugese [11:37] Zordrak: they're all based on latin for the most part aren't they [11:37] spanish, portugese, and french [11:38] yes [11:38] italian and many others too [11:38] inc a lot of english [11:38] P4C0 (n=onetwo@200.124.22.34) joined ##slackware. [11:39] makes sense since the roman empire included all of them areas [11:39] probably had a big influence on it [11:39] linuxluvr (n=linuxluv@117.200.145.16) left ##slackware. [11:39] prekisely [11:39] hehe [11:40] hello all [11:42] hi [11:42] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: "leaving" [11:42] Action: Zordrak has a server called Worf.. if at the physical terminal rather than on a bus, can I say I'w in a Static Worf Shell? [11:43] ...... [11:43] okay, put the keyboard down and back away from it slowly. and noone will get hurt :P [11:43] :D [11:43] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) joined ##slackware. [11:44] Hey; All Good Things... ;) [11:45] hehe [11:45] Avelino (n=Avelino@mail.paterno.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [11:48] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl210-142.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:51] kama (n=kama@host94-231-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:53] atourino (n=antonio@190.141.118.155) joined ##slackware. [11:53] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:55] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:55] hey people, mind if I ask a slack+wine related question? :-) [11:56] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:57] snewb, noone will mind, you may get no answer thro :p [11:57] That's fine, at least I tried then ;-) [11:58] :) [11:58] Thing is I've installed Wine since I want to play some games, next thing I did was to install steam and spotify. Steam interface works great, but when I start a game a small box appears and then it goes away, and I'm left just looking at the Steam interface [11:59] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:59] Zordrak, hahahahaha [11:59] I've installed the nvidia drivers from their site, but still nothing [11:59] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:00] snewb, have you tried #winehq [12:00] oh, didn't know that channel existed! Thanks Paco :-) [12:01] snewb, no prob, i think you will get better results there [12:01] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [12:01] alisonken1lap (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [12:01] snewb: And if they tell you it's a Slackware-specific problem, tell me and I'll come kick their butts. ;) [12:01] Great! :-) [12:02] If any distro should work properly with Wine, it's plain-vanilla Slackware. [12:02] "should" being the operative word here. [12:02] an operative word, that sounds all CIA-ish [12:03] hi when i tried to extract a file it say: no space left for the device....what this means.. [12:03] "but are they going to understand what we said?!" "yes, we have an operative word in the sentence" [12:03] ruben23, you are out of disk space [12:03] my drive size is full...? [12:03] yes [12:04] TwinReverb: you a guitar player? [12:04] yep [12:04] huh..want am i going to do...how to check the capacity of my drive.. [12:04] cool, TwinReverb's are killer Fender amps :D [12:04] ruben23: df -h [12:04] ruben23: heh, that error message *should* be straight forward :> [12:04] yes so killer you can't afford 'em :S [12:04] yeah, fender is always outragious [12:04] worth it though [12:04] no in terms of repairs [12:04] i'm poor [12:05] there's one company I find even more outragious in price [12:05] that's Gibson [12:05] i teach guitar lessons for money to dine out with my band lol :S [12:05] though I'd love a Les Paul [12:05] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:06] fender isn't outrageous in price. but a twin reverb is an expensive amp (worth it, but still) with a lot of power [12:06] pink floyd's david gilmour used one on smaller concerts [12:06] I like Randall [12:06] nice for high gain [12:06] anyways, i have a 1972 fender twin reverb i bought (ironically) in korea [12:06] it is genuine, i checked (bought it on a US military base) [12:07] awesome [12:07] you're in the services? [12:07] Reaver_1 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [12:07] but out here my rig is a fender pro junior (new), schecter c-1 classic, and Boss ME-50 [12:07] I've considered joining because there are no jobs around here, and for the college [12:07] yes, united states air force. my career field: 2A3X2 [12:07] but I don't want to go into combat [12:07] then go into my job and work on the digital systems on combat aircraft [12:07] my first aircraft was the F-117 [12:08] so there are jobs I can get to where there is no way I'll be deployed? [12:08] can i use my other drive partition with this output http://pastebin.com/m74fcbafe [12:09] TwinReverb, I'm afraid of flying... can you help me? :p [12:11] i already am helping you. it's called you're not flying :P [12:11] zGhost, i don't join the soccer team in hopes of never travelling [12:11] or train for olympics in hopes of never competing [12:11] the military is about the use of power and might to either prevent war or, if that can't be done, win it. [12:12] joining the military but hoping to never get deployed is, (no offense) an oxymoron [12:12] anyways, g'night, i lub ew guyz [12:12] Action: TwinReverb defends freedom: freedom to SLACK [12:12] TwinReverb: I don't mind going to other places [12:12] TwinReverb, cya [12:13] I just don't want to be sent out with an M-16 [12:13] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [12:13] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [12:15] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:15] zGhost: you could always join the salvation army :P [12:16] Reaver_1 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: "Leaving." [12:16] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [12:16] whats the ImageMgick file info cmd? [12:16] nm [12:16] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.241.162) joined ##slackware. [12:16] hersonls (n=hersonls@189.81.33.171) joined ##slackware. [12:19] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@121.232.11.6) left irc: Connection timed out [12:19] is webmin supported in slackware (I have no plans of use it... but i will like to know, since it's not supported by debian) [12:19] giuppy (n=giuppy@host239-69-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:19] define supported? [12:22] BP{k}, i don't know, this is strange... in the webmin list debian and ubuntu are listed as supported... on ubuntu channel !webmin says: "webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not [12:22] compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system. See !ebox instead." [12:22] however... as far as I know, debian hasn't change their configuration files... are the ubuntu guys totally crazy? or what's going on here? [12:22] zenzelezz (n=zenzelez@95.34.76.240.customer.cdi.no) left irc: "reboot" [12:23] "yes, no, probably, all of the above, don't know" [12:23] take your pick. [12:23] however there is a webmin build script at SBo. [12:24] awelzel (n=awelzel@p5B048A1C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [12:24] does someone have wine-1.1.13 compiled? [12:24] D-r_Flower, did you check linuxpackages.net and slacky.eu ? [12:25] awelzel (n=awelzel@p5B048A1C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left ##slackware. [12:25] eww [12:25] yes, there is not [12:25] one should stay away from linuxpackages [12:25] BP{k}, what's SBo ? [12:25] and since 1.1.11 i can't run that one from slacky. unresolvable mistakes [12:25] BP{k}, linxupackages? why? [12:25] BP{k}: yes :) [12:25] D-r_Flower: have you tried 1.1.11 from SBo? [12:26] P4C0: SBo == SlackBuilds.org [12:26] P4C0: http://www.noobfarm.org/?query=Linuxpackages [12:27] ah, i dont want to compile :) i use that from rw [12:27] hehe. [12:27] rw? [12:27] he means rworkman who keeps a repo with packages. [12:28] ;) [12:28] I'm going to write a script that monitors conversation.. and everytime a User mentions "linuxpackages.net" or "lp.net" it "slaps" them [12:28] zGhost (i=dave@adsl-69-209-123-97.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:28] ninjazach (i=dave@adsl-69-209-123-97.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [12:28] which actually one of the few repos of packages I would actually recommend. [12:28] Dominian: do it! [12:28] heh [12:29] BP{k}, thanks [12:29] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "BitchX: ..(cyp): gone" [12:29] alisonken1lap (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [12:30] alisonken1lap (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [12:31] zenzelezz (n=zenzelez@95.34.76.240.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [12:31] hcx (n=hcx@Q721a.q.strato-dslnet.de) joined ##slackware. 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[12:49] Zordrak (n=jaz@78.32.83.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:49] Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection [12:50] mm, that is not supported in slackware yet [12:50] snewb (n=yann@h60n1fls307o1039.telia.com) left irc: "Leaving" [12:50] ouch [12:50] well, by default [12:51] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:51] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-164-86.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:51] out of the box, slack provides firmware for 3xxx and 4xxx [12:51] he needs help setting it up, he has the driver setup [12:52] Is anybody using git-svn in Slackware? I can't get it to play. [12:52] are you sure ? [12:52] anyone know where to get cheap LTO cartridges [12:52] http://www.codekoala.com/static/articles/pdfs/git-svn-slackware-122.pdf first hit on google, gg [12:52] I bought a really cheap LTO tape drive from a university [12:53] and am very interested in getting it going on my local machine (overkill I know) [12:53] atourino (n=antonio@190.141.118.155) left ##slackware. [12:53] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:54] thrice`: right, so what should i do? what should be next step for me? [12:55] you need to install the firmware for the 5100 [12:55] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:55] yes.. found some LTO carts [12:55] Ultrium :D [12:55] notassociated (n=notassoc@155.Red-88-0-239.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [12:55] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:55] i have 2 wireless pcmcia cards on my laptop. i will use one of them which is eth2 (a prism2 chipset based, hostap driver) as an AP. Upon executing iwconfig eth2 mode master i get the error: SET failed on device eth2 ; Operation not supported. What gives?? [12:55] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-088-068-030-193.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:56] kestrel (n=will@67.106.9.142.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:56] initself_ (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:57] initself_ (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:57] initself (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:57] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-088-068-030-193.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:57] Srbo_ (n=Srbo@dslb-088-068-030-193.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:58] initself (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:00] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [13:00] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [13:01] thrice`: i have it installed it already. i need a help to setup wpa supplicant and rc.inet1.conf for wifi [13:01] giuppy (n=giuppy@host212-130-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:01] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [13:02] ah [13:02] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network#wpa_encryption [13:02] a little light reading [13:03] yeah, played with that [13:03] but still no results [13:03] or, if you prefer point and click, there is a tool called wicd in /extra [13:03] kestrel (n=will@67.106.9.142.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [13:04] the driver DOES support ap mode. i was using it as an ap a couple of days ago [13:05] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-088-068-030-193.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:05] Srbo_ (n=Srbo@dslb-088-068-030-193.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:06] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-088-068-030-193.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:06] Srbo_ (n=Srbo@dslb-088-068-030-193.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:06] Srbo_ (n=Srbo@dslb-088-068-030-193.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:06] FriedBob_ (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [13:07] FriedBob_ (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:09] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [13:09] Doesn't hostap driver use wlanX as interface name? [13:10] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-72-43-12-52.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:11] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [13:12] i wrecked my knee yesterday and now it really hurts [13:12] nullboy: stop working the corner and you won't have those issues [13:12] lol [13:12] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:13] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [13:13] it popped and now it feels like fire in my knee. i hope it's just sprained [13:14] dive: Man, I'm trying use "find /home -user uname -perm XXX" to find all executable files. But I cant make it work. [13:14] nullboy: I did something like that about 2 years ago and my knee is still stiff and wants to give out occaisionally [13:14] And the only thing a physician can do for you is to prescribe more powerful drugs to mask the pain. [13:15] yeah i'm not going to go to the doctor unless i totally can't walk [13:15] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [13:16] a little aspirin is just fine for now, it's just the psychological effects of feeling it pop like that [13:16] you might want to switch to ibuprofen, but I don't really know [13:16] nullboy: did you pop from hyper-extension, or wrenching to the side ? [13:17] heat, as much as you can stand, probably speeds the healing [13:17] I think cold somehow does the same thing [13:17] mindbendr (n=neveraga@80.68.37.171) left irc: "leaving" [13:17] rk4n3: twisting, lower leg twisted while the upper leg didn't [13:17] (causes your body to focus more energy on the injured site) [13:18] nullboy: ah, probably not your pcl or acl, which is likely to be good news ... I hyper-extended and popped my pcl - that sucked [13:18] it's not swelling up or black and blue so i think it's just sprained too [13:18] extremely painful though, i hate knee injuries [13:18] no doubt [13:20] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:20] Where might I look to determine how a box died? [13:20] the obituaries [13:20] k_wolf, try '-perm /+x' [13:20] anything in /var/log? [13:22] Obviously you dig through there after a crash, but be aware, many/most times a system crashes, it is unable to write any logfiles. Sometimes the console is all there is. [13:23] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-59-147.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:24] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:25] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [13:26] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [13:27] Action: dtanner knocks himself in the head for accidently setting gnome-terminal to "always on top" and blaming it on compiz that i couldnt raise a window below it [13:27] good one [13:27] indeed [13:28] now define 'accidently' [13:28] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:28] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-088-068-030-193.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:28] he accidentally right clicked on the window titlebar then accidentally moved his mouse to the "always on top" menu option [13:28] and accidentally clicked it. [13:29] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-088-068-030-193.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:29] He accidentally the whole thing. [13:29] Srbo_ (n=Srbo@dslb-088-068-030-193.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:29] Srbo_ (n=Srbo@dslb-088-068-030-193.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:29] jkwood: you said it, brotha. [13:29] I hate it when I accidentally the whole thing. [13:29] me too. [13:29] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:29] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.112) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:29] in such situations, all you can do is do a barrel roll. [13:30] dive: thanks. I tried mask 0755 and it worked too [13:30] and hope for the best. [13:30] dive accidently == i have no idea how it get set unless is was when i was spinnin and flippin stuff around [13:31] heh [13:31] =) [13:31] that's what you get for spinning and flipping [13:31] yeah i know [13:31] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-72-43-12-52.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:32] I'm waiting for fb-compiz ;) [13:32] meeting in 45 minutes , gotta run [13:32] like to spin some terms [13:32] that would be sweet, later [13:32] bb [13:35] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [13:36] sQuEE (n=narya@201.253.202.23) left irc: "fnord!!" [13:36] wifix (n=User@138.84-49-156.nextgentel.com) left irc: No route to host [13:36] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:36] How dare they call Samba4 a forthcoming release? [13:36] fourthcoming* ? [13:36] It's been "forthcoming" for 4 years! [13:37] indeed [13:37] its probably in response to the earlier slashdot post about not having a good AD replacement [13:37] it is... but still [13:37] Anno Domini, who needs to replace that? [13:38] it's written like "Hey.. it'll be released this quarter!" [13:38] lol rob0 [13:39] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-feb3c3de4716a76e) left irc: [13:40] DarkSpy (n=Darkness@a213-22-69-101.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:40] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [13:44] IrquiM (n=irquim@15.80-202-42.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:44] hello rob0 , off to a meeting but good to see ya [13:45] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [13:46] /quit [13:46] bigpaws_ (n=bigpaws@plns-64-111-131-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:47] lol [13:47] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:48] timepilot (n=timepilo@c-98-216-175-6.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.45) joined ##slackware. [13:49] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-68-233-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [13:50] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-c21054ff6e7a1864) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:51] timepilot (n=timepilo@c-98-216-175-6.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:51] hi is home partition really needed by slackware during installation.. [13:51] timepilot (n=timepilo@c-98-216-175-6.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:51] no [13:52] You can stick everything on one partition if you want to. [13:52] FriedBob_ (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [13:52] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeje27.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [13:53] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeje27.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:56] bigpaws_ (n=bigpaws@plns-64-111-131-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [13:57] IrquiM (n=irquim@15.80-202-42.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [13:59] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-5a1f672227d0cc7e) joined ##slackware. [14:00] FriedBob_ (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:00] FriedBob_ (n=friedbob@173-22-140-209.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [14:03] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:03] FriedBob_ (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:05] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [14:05] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [14:06] i want to upgrade deluge-1.0.7-i486-1_SBo.tgz to deluge-1.1.0-i486-1_SBo.tgz . Is this the correct command? 'upgradepkg deluge-1.1.0-i486-1_SBo.tgz'? [14:07] yes, it's as simple as 'upgradepkg ' [14:07] slackpkg and sbopkg is a nice combination so far [14:07] ananke: thanks [14:07] it doesn't matter what's the other version, since upgradepkg won't care [14:08] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:08] ooo didn't know about sbopkg. neat [14:09] :P [14:09] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:09] vinnie_: in the right circumstance `upgradepkg deluge` mill suffice iirc [14:10] Zordrak: whats the right circumstance?, and whats mill suffice iirc? [14:11] io- (n=io@72.25.30.162.dynamic.dejazzd.com) joined ##slackware. [14:11] vinnie_: man upgradepkg [14:11] vinnie_: s/mill/will/ [14:12] vinnie_: http://www.google.com/search?q=iirc [14:13] Zordrak: i c ....thanks [14:13] heya [14:13] ive seen 'iirc' posted several times. just never had the guts to ask what it meant [14:14] evo- (n=evo@wrzb-5f74eb33.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [14:14] "if I recall correctly" [14:14] ...or google it [14:14] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.19.225) joined ##slackware. [14:14] vinnie_: you also have 'wtf' installed on your slack system if you installed bsd-games :) [14:15] ive also noticed that when someone spells something rong, the repost with 's/rong/wrong' Where does that come from? [14:15] ed and sed [14:15] ... or vi [14:15] it's the 's'ubstitute command [14:15] That's common among other things too, to substitute text. [14:15] cool [14:16] FriedBob_ (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [14:16] FriedBob_ (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:16] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:17] hcx (n=hcx@Q721a.q.strato-dslnet.de) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [14:20] Damnnit, its wail server choices time again :( [14:20] *mail [14:20] postfix is definite... [14:20] m1 (n=m1@69.182.68.134) joined ##slackware. [14:21] but imap server, auth mech. etc is a back to square 1 thing again [14:21] FriedBob_ (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [14:21] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:22] Acch, help. I did a fresh intall of slack 12.2 and changed /etc/fstab from "defaults" to /dev/sda2 / ext3 noatime,nobh,data=writeback,commit=100 1 1 and now I can't boot. [14:23] I tried slack install disc and doing mount root=/dev/sda2 but it says cannot be found in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab [14:23] so you need to boot off the install disk and fix it.... [14:23] that mount command is incomplete [14:24] ahhh, please..........i'm listening [14:24] boot off the install disks, mount sda2 w/r and fix the fstab [14:24] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:24] i also tried mount root=/dev/sda2 / and that was no go too [14:25] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:25] the install disk tells you exactly what to type to boot from the kernel [14:25] nullboy: is that the exact syntax - " mount sda2 w/r" [14:25] shadey_ (n=ema@cpc1-tref2-0-0-cust721.cdif.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [14:25] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:26] m1...no [14:26] thrice: ya, the install disc says do: mount root=/dev/sda2 rw but that's not working [14:26] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [14:26] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:26] m1: you're forgetting the "initrd= " for one thing... [14:26] STOP [14:26] notassociated (n=notassoc@155.Red-88-0-239.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:27] 1. Boot install CD with defaults [14:27] 2. mkdir /foo [14:27] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-191021.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:27] 3. mount /dev/sda1 /foo [14:27] shadey_ (n=ema@cpc1-tref2-0-0-cust721.cdif.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Client Quit [14:27] 4. vi /foo/etc/fstab [14:27] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:28] k? [14:28] Zordrak: In the name of love? [14:28] Zordrak: Hammer Time? [14:28] s/love/sanity/ [14:28] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:28] 5. Profit [14:29] Zordrak: thx......i'm thinking...........k i will try it [14:29] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:30] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:31] kresho (n=kresho@unaffiliated/kresho) joined ##slackware. [14:31] /quit [14:31] clear [14:31] bigpaws_ (n=bigpaws@plns-64-111-131-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) left irc: "leaving" [14:31] BlueWall (i=1000@adsl-074-237-137-028.sip.gsp.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:32] that's it, get the shalaily ready [14:32] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:32] m1: Zordrak is correct, you don't need to boot to your root file system to fix it, but there's another thing you should take note of... if you *had* wanted to boot to your root fs, none of the things you tried were actually following the directions carefully, which was what everyone was trying to correct you on [14:33] notassociated (n=notassoc@155.Red-83-33-213.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [14:34] i can't wait to be able to use Samba for AD [14:34] bbeecher1 (n=bbeecher@cpe-74-72-194-84.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:35] it would be perfect for those situation where a place needs AD but can't or won't afford windows server [14:35] wouldn't openldap do the trick? [14:36] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:36] rk4n3: thanks for you help......i'm going to try it now [14:36] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeje27.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:36] m1: ok, may the force be with you :) [14:36] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeje27.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:36] Kaapa: AD is not just openldap [14:37] I though it was one more of those m$ rebrands [14:37] extor (i=xtor@c-24-12-9-103.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:38] it's not just ldap though [14:38] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeje27.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:38] samba4 is AD; openldap is ldap [14:39] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeje27.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:39] ldap is a directory sorvice [14:40] How can I find out where my microphone device is? [14:40] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-59-147.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [14:40] ad is a network control server that provides access to most of its information via the ldap protocol [14:40] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-59-147.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [14:40] I have a /dev/dsp but nothing that looks like /dev/microphone [14:40] bbeecher1 (n=bbeecher@cpe-74-72-194-84.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving." [14:43] anyone up for some Courier vs. Dovecot discussion? [14:44] Arne (n=awelzel@p5B048A1C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [14:44] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeje27.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:45] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeje27.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:46] nevermind, fixd [14:47] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176084070.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:47] Z, what is there to discuss? [14:48] kresho (n=kresho@unaffiliated/kresho) left ##slackware. [14:50] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) left irc: "client exploded" [14:50] U-Neeks (n=666@201-34-236-51.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:51] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn2-212-50-134-15.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [14:51] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:51] i use C at home, D at work -- replacing OS and MTA at work, mondering whether to wove D to C [14:52] D bugs me because it doesnt provide updates to subdirs [14:52] C bugs me because its v diff to configure and *seems* to not perform quite as well as D [14:54] sQuEE (n=narya@201.253.202.23) joined ##slackware. [14:55] omfg -- my predecessor installed this v of D -- production mailserver... on dovecot 1.0.beta3! [14:55] notassociated (n=notassoc@155.Red-83-33-213.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:56] wtf is up with all these abbreviations? [14:56] w.t.f [14:56] dvorak :) [14:56] how does the key layout relate to abbreviations though? [14:57] they are faster [14:57] pebcak [14:57] prekisely [14:57] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [14:57] notassociated (n=notassoc@155.Red-88-0-239.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [14:57] you still understood didnt you? :) [14:57] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] josemanuel (n=josemanu@193.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [14:59] yes' i' understood' [14:59] lol [14:59] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn2-212-50-134-15.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:00] Betas in dovecot 1.0 were pretty mature, he was dragging his feet about a release. [15:00] fnuff [15:00] I don't understand "doesnt provide updates to subdirs" [15:01] And I don't think Courier is much more difficult, for that matter. [15:01] I don't have any real performance comparisons, but maybe Google does. [15:01] (take them with a grain of salt) [15:02] i remember it being v difficult [15:02] theres a lot of FUD [15:02] but, salt-added, still seems D has a good performance edge [15:03] so let me try to understand this, you're using a keyboard layout that is so difficult to use that you need to abbreviate vary as v? [15:03] very* [15:03] very might vary mites. [15:03] no, i do that with qwerty [15:03] h n s p o h a [15:03] (hey nullboy, stop picking on him already) in case you didn't get that [15:03] that's it. time for the shalaily for real now [15:04] hehe :) [15:04] good luck with the knee [15:04] lol [15:04] captainchris (n=captainc@ANice-157-1-13-94.w90-15.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:04] i'm sitting on my ass drinking tea [15:05] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:05] Zordrak: thanks very much for your patience and help.........mounting work and I was able to make changes [15:05] yay [15:05] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:05] no more crazy fstab mount options ? [15:06] hehehe [15:06] .......well...i'd like to improve ext3 performance still [15:07] but i need to look at how to make the changes since the installed filesystem is complete [15:07] m1: noatime works pretty well, and I'm pretty sure that's not what caused your earlier issue [15:07] this is all i do to my /: /dev/sda2 / ext3 defaults,noatime 1 1 [15:07] "man tune2fs", but you won't notice any real improvement [15:08] i heard data=write-back get rid of much overhead.....i used it on an Arch Linux box [15:08] yeah, noatime speeds things a bit [15:08] i'll give the noatime a try and probably leave it at that [15:08] BTW "defaults" only exists as a placeholder. If you're using any non-default option at all, leave it out. [15:09] Action: thrice` uses norelatime [15:09] But then, you won't have atime ... so it's a tradeoff [15:09] fAu (n=fAu@81-174-13-169.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:09] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. 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[15:16] Sure, I use dovecot because that way I don't have to mess with Cyrus-SASL. Courier authdaemond is pretty easy too, but you still have to have that Cyrus code linked into Postfix. [15:17] i see [15:17] Arne (n=awelzel@p5B048A1C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:18] i remember a number of the difficulties being Cyrus-SASL related [15:21] rob0: I think remaining with dovecot might be best here [15:21] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:21] esp as it means no conversion [15:22] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [15:22] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-4-99-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:22] and as i have discovered you can configure thunderbird to poll subdirs meaning it doesnt matter so much that the server doesnt give them by default [15:23] zwin 10 [15:23] bah [15:24] is there a module I'm missing for logitech quickcam 'n' skype.... had it woring in 12.1 but not tried it until now in my 12.2 [15:25] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:25] videodev/v4l2common/v4l1compat? [15:27] ohh, think I just found the quickcam_messenger module ;) [15:27] heh [15:28] HexTasy (n=whippe@cpe-74-67-182-102.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:29] ah much better. [15:29] m1 (n=m1@69.182.68.134) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:29] so, what's new in 12.2 [15:29] um [15:29] Slackpkg got moved to /ap. [15:30] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:30] Zordrak, insmod /lib/modules/../../whatever.ko [15:30] right? [15:30] that's it? [15:30] wicd also got added... to /extra, I think. [15:30] I get invalid format or something [15:30] Well, no. [15:30] www.slackware.com/announce/12.2.php [15:30] Those are just the things I can think of off the top of my head. [15:30] theblackbox: modprobe [15:30] Zordrak: danke [15:31] bitte [15:31] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware/CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [15:31] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [15:31] i haz question tho [15:32] Yes'm? [15:32] Makaveli_ma (i=SALADIN@adsl196-94-40-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [15:32] i know slackware doesn't have quite an extravagant package management system, but does it handle updated packages? [15:33] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:33] HexTasy: yes [15:33] Zordrak, sorry to be a dumbass, but it claims not to find the modules [15:33] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [15:33] =S [15:33] HexTasy: /patches [15:34] modprobe /lib/modules/2.6.27.7/kernel/drivers/media/video/videodev.ko [15:34] HexTasy: upgradepkg / slackpkg [15:34] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:34] theblackbox: modprobe videodev [15:34] lol [15:34] ok I can deal with that [15:34] dependancy checking? [15:34] no [15:34] still a no on that. :) [15:34] thats YOUR job [15:34] k [15:35] cheers Zordrak [15:35] i'm fine with that honestly [15:35] hcx (n=hcx@Q721a.q.strato-dslnet.de) joined ##slackware. [15:35] that way I dont' get a bunch of crap [15:35] always will be [15:35] theblackbox: np [15:35] I started on slack [15:35] tried gentoo on a suggestion of a longtime friend. [15:35] it broke itself [15:35] fail IMO [15:35] indeed [15:35] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:36] HexTasy: www.slackbuilds.org && sbopkg [15:37] still don't find the team core of slackware :( [15:37] HexTasy: worth knowing about and fully reading the information about [15:37] Makaveli_ma: info@slackware.com [15:38] Makaveli_ma: huh ? [15:38] Zordrak: sweet, thanks [15:38] fAu (n=fAu@81-174-13-169.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [15:38] Zordrak it's Pat who manage this rmail right ? [15:39] email* [15:39] thrice` I am talking to my best friend here => Zordrak :) [15:39] kevin__ (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:39] Makaveli_ma: not necessarily [15:40] Makaveli_ma: but "team core of slackware" [15:40] Zordrak hopping to find a place :) I can do something I know [15:41] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [15:41] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:42] has anyone been able to install slackware on a macbbok? [15:42] http://www.skibur.com/slackware.html [15:42] o sorry macbook nevermind [15:42] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [15:43] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:43] i should try [15:43] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [15:44] theres a macbook hanging around here as a rpaperweight & doorstop [15:44] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:44] bah, I canny get skype to see me webcam [15:44] start smaller [15:44] get *something* to see it [15:44] lol, true [15:44] xine's an easy one innit [15:45] i was thinking uvc_streamer [15:45] but whatever's your poison [15:45] www.fonomo.com [15:45] dmesg seems to think it's all good, but I remember in 12.1 that it knew it was logitech quickcam - now it's just a Product: Camera [15:46] is somone here beeing familiar with PHP web application ? [15:46] test it on flash at fonomo theblackbox [15:47] last time I saw drupal CMS, Joomla and other famous PHP CMS, and I am excited to post a slackbuild about one of them :) [15:47] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [15:47] I saw that in Debian/Ubuntu [15:47] captainchris_ (n=captainc@ANice-157-1-29-76.w90-28.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:47] drupal sbo!? no way [15:47] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [15:48] no macbook users in the slackware world? [15:48] theblackbox drupal is the winner of 2008 in best CMS category :) [15:48] DarkSpy: Sure there are. [15:48] most definitely [15:48] arny (n=arny@79.119.150.199) joined ##slackware. [15:48] hola :) [15:48] Just not me. ;) [15:48] their online community is awesome [15:48] right her on f/n [15:49] hiding under rocks where they should be :) [15:49] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:49] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:50] it's seems that I am the only LAMP developper here :( [15:50] balls, I don't even get anything on that flash or xine [15:50] Makaveli_ma: not at all [15:50] can I use my camera as a webcam? [15:51] has anybody tried that? [15:51] hey guys having and odd problem with ktorrent, for some reason none of my plugins are showing up. I was running 3.1 but decided to come back to 2.8 [15:51] skibur: uvc_streamer [15:51] o nice [15:51] checking... [15:51] and the plugins have disappeared [15:51] Zordrak so where is others ? I wanna meet them [15:51] watching the car park right now [15:52] Makaveli_ma: ... [15:53] anyone had that issue with ktorrent before... [15:54] Shrp_: sorry.. i use Azureus / Vuze [15:54] hum... all your plugins are gone? [15:54] I do development on top of "LAMP". Not a whole lot, but quite a bit. [15:55] hola arny [15:55] jkwood cool so we can do something if you want ? [15:55] I've got a lot of projects going on right now. =) [15:57] Makaveli_ma: whether LAMPhp or LAMPerl -- we're all busy on projects :) [15:57] how do i start, stop, or restart ssh? [15:57] /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd [15:57] me too I am busy, I work for in highest Projects, I am a web developer at SQLI one of the biggest companies in Europ [15:57] /etc/rc.d/rc.ssh {start|stop|restart} [15:58] oops! [15:58] d [15:58] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:58] but my love for Slack let me do more and more [15:58] Zordrak: nullboy, thanx so much [16:00] hersonls (n=hersonls@189.81.33.171) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:00] bash: /etc/rc.d/rc.ssh: No such file or directory [16:00] /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd [16:00] ahh [16:01] i corrected my typo.... [16:03] Styx [16:03] Rule [16:03] captainchris (n=captainc@ANice-157-1-13-94.w90-15.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:03] had to be said [16:03] http://www.slackbasics.org/ [16:03] vinnie_: go there and read [16:04] Also: http://www.slackbook.org/ [16:04] <_chess_> There's so many things I need to know [16:04] slackbasics is more up to date, at least currently [16:05] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176084070.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:05] as far as I know though Alan_Hicks is going to have a revision to the book soon [16:05] notassociated (n=notassoc@155.Red-88-0-239.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:05] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [16:05] check it out http://www.digiampietro.com/content/i_and_linux/my_first_linux_cd_rom.html [16:05] SLS cd [16:06] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176064131.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. 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[16:16] lol anybody use Kpovmodeler? [16:16] do i just dd the iso image ? [16:16] I'm using a usb boot disk with a hugesmp.s kernel ..... will that still load the modules I've just added [16:16] theblackbox: no [16:16] right [16:16] Agiofws, why ubuntu? [16:16] theblackbox: yes [16:16] www.imagebin.org/36223 [16:17] right [16:17] theblackbox: lsmod [16:17] Action: theblackbox wonders if his webcam is fubar [16:17] P4C0, cause its the only thing maybe that will fit on this netbook [16:17] with out LOST of trouble just for debugging purposes nothing much [16:17] luis__ (n=luis@host185.201-253-197.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [16:17] good day [16:18] theblackbox: plug in a winbox and see [16:18] Agiofws, but you are in a slackware channel... [16:18] http://rafb.net/p/qnQxRn65.html [16:18] Zordrak, ^^ [16:18] no winbox.... [16:18] tinyurl pls [16:18] ok lawd whatever [16:18] http://tinyurl.com/9y5abk [16:19] http://thelongestlistofthelongeststuffatthelongestdomainnameatlonglast.com/ [16:19] rotfl [16:19] Agiofws, http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:usbboot [16:19] theblackbox: seems cood [16:20] *Good [16:20] linuxusr721 (n=dcash@c-71-228-211-138.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:20] yeah... I can't figure it out [16:20] can only recommend reading the docs on those modules [16:20] Agiofws, are you sure you laptop can boot from usb? [16:21] yes has an option [16:21] or testing cam in winbox with logitech drivers [16:21] this is the thing [16:21] ssd drive died [16:21] canot detect WIN OS [16:21] http://tinyurl.com/73u5bw [16:21] os trying a a live distro on the net book [16:21] Zordrak, I was wondering if I might be able to force skype to use the device [16:21] then trying to insta win OS via usb again [16:21] but that's probably not a good solution [16:22] timepilot (n=timepilo@c-98-216-175-6.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: [16:22] bah, that's a disconnect message, anyway [16:22] theblackbox: no idea... not done v2 yet [16:22] Agiofws, you want to install linux on you laptop? and it supports usb boot? and you have a usb storage device? and you have another pc with a usb port? [16:22] cool, thanks anyway man [16:23] np [16:23] not install just a run a live distro via LIVE usb to check stuff [16:23] then install WIN via live windows usb stick [16:23] Agiofws, oh, try slax then, it's nice [16:23] if i ever get to do that [16:24] http://www.slax.org/get_slax.php [16:24] Agiofws: the systemrescuecd project can be setup for USB boot [16:24] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:24] why do people with windows problems or ubuntu problems always come in here? :) [16:24] tank-man, ;) haha [16:25] quick question; how can i move a session in one screen to another without terminating the running process? [16:25] is it possible to detach a screen-session to a file, and then load it up in another one? [16:25] Agiofws: http://www.sysresccd.org/Sysresccd-manual-en_How_to_install_SystemRescueCd_on_an_USB-stick [16:25] Agiofws, in the link i sent you there's a "download Slax for USB" link... you can try that or follow nullboy's advice (which probably is way better) [16:26] syswtemrescuecd comes with a lot of tools for hard disk issues but SSD is going to complicate any data recovery [16:26] tank-man, i have asked here stuff about ubuntu... because: 1. they force me to use it, 2. #ubuntu channel is useless most of the time [16:26] you'll be lucky to get anything off it let alone get it to work ever again [16:26] thanks [16:26] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host9-239-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:26] don't care about D recovery [16:26] v3gard, you mean screen sessions with the screen command? [16:27] just fresh installation would be ok [16:27] P4C0: yup [16:27] i made some adjustments to my .screenrc, and I don't want to kill the running process [16:28] Anyone here familiar with udev on slackware? I am trying to prevent a sym link being made when i plug in a usb webcam [16:28] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:28] v3gard, hmm not as far as I know, you can detached and attach it but i think it will be the same screen session :(, maybe if you send a hub signal to the screen but not sure [16:30] v3gard, i sent -1 signal to screen it just started to act really weird... don't do it :p [16:31] hcx (n=hcx@Q721a.q.strato-dslnet.de) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [16:32] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [16:32] http://www.softpanorama.org/Utilities/Screen/screenrc_examples.shtml [16:32] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:33] bono (i=bono@220-136-230-196.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:33] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [16:34] HexTasy, does it says how to reload the sreenrc without killing the session? [16:36] dguitar (n=dguitar@cpe-72-224-221-147.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: [16:36] ... [16:36] screen -x is what I use [16:36] i'm at work and cant' really read through all that [16:37] but I use screen -x and it doesn't kill the other windows [16:37] renew (n=renew@ppp-67-124-90-73.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [16:37] ctrl-a-d to close [16:37] captainchris_ (n=captainc@ANice-157-1-29-76.w90-28.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [16:37] that's how I IRC at work :P ssh to my box and use screen [16:38] ;) [16:39] HexTasy, sorry to be rude... for one second i though you were applying #ubuntu's "answer to question policy" :p [16:39] evo_ (n=evo@wrzb-5f75b13e.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [16:39] ? [16:39] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [16:39] oh just answer and leave it at that? :P [16:39] Linus (n=Lee@bl7-137-241.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:40] HexTasy, yes, answer with the first hint on google :p even if it has nothing with the question :p [16:41] well there's always man screen [16:41] :) [16:41] so ubuntu's help degraded that much? :b [16:41] mako-dono, sometimes :p [16:41] it's debian based, was it ever good? [16:41] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-52-252-100.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:42] HexTasy, yes I know, the problem is when the people assume that you haven't read the man page and assume that the answer is in the man page... even when they are not sure about it [16:42] P4C0: so did I answer your question? [16:43] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:43] i feel confortable administrating debian... i feel really nice administrating slackware,... ubuntu... nooo [16:43] linuxusr721 (n=dcash@c-71-228-211-138.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [16:43] HexTasy, it wasn't my question ;) was v3gard question... but i think no :p [16:43] oh [16:43] well i've lost it at this point [16:43] so w/e [16:43] what was the question? [16:44] quick question; how can i move a session in one screen to another without terminating the running process? [16:44] is it possible to detach a screen-session to a file, and then load it up in another one? [16:44] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:44] lowkyalur (n=low@icm10-orange.orange.sk) joined ##slackware. [16:44] to a file? [16:44] i know you can exit screen with ctrl-a-d and it keeps it in the background assuming you started it with the right perams. [16:44] i think v3gard is either busy or found it out already :p [16:44] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:45] then 'screen -x bleat' to bring it back [16:45] that's what i was trying to say [16:45] mib_5qdb4p (i=47e4d38a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-50616562f5c555f1) joined ##slackware. [16:45] yes he did: [16:45] i made some adjustments to my .screenrc, and I don't want to kill the running process [16:45] ctrl-a : [16:45] then source .screenrc [16:46] mib_5qdb4p (i=47e4d38a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-50616562f5c555f1) left ##slackware. [16:46] tal__br00 (n=br00tal@66-188-149-192.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:47] hmm.. I haven't played alot with .screenrc [16:48] BP{k}, sweet i didn't know that ;) [16:48] tal__br00 (n=br00tal@66-188-149-192.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:48] obviously. [16:48] linuxusr36 (n=dcash@c-71-228-211-138.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:49] reet.. moffome.. nightall [16:50] DarkSpy (n=Darkness@a213-22-69-101.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: [16:50] i think i found a bug in strptime() :p does anyone knows if there's a place to report it? (probably this is not the right channel) [16:50] ip-route (n=ip-route@unaffiliated/ip-route) joined ##slackware. [16:50] hi [16:50] hello ip-route [16:51] i'm problem with install slackware on thinkpad g40 [16:51] but an error in lilo, this : L 99 999 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 99 ... on boot [16:51] how solve this ? [16:52] P4C0: A bug in strptime()? As it is part of the C standard (iirc) I think it goes to libc [16:52] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [16:52] P4C0: Which libc are you using? glibc, uclibc? [16:52] eviljames, glibc [16:52] ip-route : reinstall the mbr [16:52] P4C0: So my guess is GNU [16:52] P4C0 how solve this ? [16:52] eviljames, it's probably not really a bug... but I don't know [16:52] ip-route, this is happening after installation? [16:52] ip-route: Did you change /etc/lilo.conf ? [16:53] ip-route: If so, run "lilo" as root [16:53] eviljames yeap, i'm run this [16:53] Which will be made much more difficult if you cannot boot into the system. [16:53] oh, I see the fail of my answer now, mb [16:53] boot cd -> mount partition -> chroot /mount-point ; lilo [16:53] but don't work [16:54] ip-route: 99 invalid second stage index sector (LILO) [16:54] ip-route: lilo -C "/mount-point/etc/lilo.conf" [16:54] I don't think you can update MBR from chroot environment? Someone may correct me on that. [16:54] yes [16:54] yes you can - I do it all the tiem [16:54] s/tiem/time [16:55] eviljames, i have done it... [16:55] try running "lilo -v" using the -v you get more verbose output when running lilo maybe leading you to solve the problem [16:55] ip-route, will be it be possible that you pass us your lilo.conf? [16:55] rk4n3: duly noted, ty [16:55] np :) [16:55] bono (i=bono@220-136-230-196.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:55] P4C0 don't pass [16:55] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) left irc: "Quitte" [16:55] paste i mean [16:55] evo- (n=evo@wrzb-5f74eb33.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:56] eviljames with chroot it's possible [16:56] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:56] i install slackware on IBM thinkpad g40 [16:57] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:57] ip-route, when it ask where to install the lilo did you select master boot record? mbr? [16:57] P4C0 yeap in to /dev/hda [16:58] "Added Linux *" [16:59] hehehe [16:59] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [16:59] can you paste us your /etc/lilo.conf? [16:59] but don't work [16:59] sometimes "lilo -v" , again, will help you sort your issue , it is worth a shot, can't hurt antyhing. [16:59] s/will help/may help/ [17:00] dtanner writing boot sector [17:00] maybe something to do with lba32 or similar... is thinkpad g40 and old or new pc? i have no idea :p [17:00] lowkyalur (n=low@icm10-orange.orange.sk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:00] /boot/boot.0300 exists - no boot sector backup copy mode [17:00] s/and/an/ [17:00] kestrel (n=will@67.106.9.142.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:00] P4C0 old [17:00] 2004 [17:01] not that old thro [17:01] Linus (n=Lee@bl7-137-241.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Connection timed out [17:01] P4C0 i'm add lba32 after "timeout" [17:01] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:01] luis__ (n=luis@host185.201-253-197.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [17:01] ip-route, is compact there? [17:02] P4C0 yeap [17:02] add this , reboot, but don't work [17:03] try commenting the lba32, then try commenting the compact [17:03] ok [17:03] P4C0 warning: device 0x0303 exceeds 1024 cilinder linit [17:04] ignoring entry lba32 [17:04] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [17:04] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.113.141) joined ##slackware. [17:05] ip-route, i think that's not good [17:05] linuxusr36 (n=dcash@c-71-228-211-138.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [17:05] hello happy slackers [17:06] LnxSlck: hello [17:06] LnxSlck, I'm not happy but with your donation i can be ;) is paypal good for you? :p [17:06] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:06] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [17:06] P4C0 geo_comp_addr: Cylinder number is too big (77373 > 1023 ) [17:06] P4C0 hurgh! [17:06] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:06] hehh [17:06] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [17:07] ip-route, remove lba32 [17:07] ip-route, also comment compact [17:07] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2+2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [17:09] ip-route, my lilo.conf says: #compact # faster, but won't work on all systems. [17:09] ip-route, so commented it, maybe your system is one of those where it doesn't work :p [17:09] _ohm (n=nava@own30748RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:10] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:10] P4C0, lol [17:10] P4C0, don't use paypal.. sorry [17:10] LnxSlck, :) [17:11] http://imagebin.org/36226 [17:11] ;) [17:11] Agiofws, is that porn? i'm at work! [17:11] P4C0 i'm testing this [17:11] :P [17:11] if you guys had a sun v120 what OS would you put on it? [17:11] yup, it is an obscene Linux distro [17:12] nullboy : solaris [17:12] Pig_Pen, agree, worst porn i have ever seen (and I have seen lots) [17:12] P4C0 compat don't exists into my lilo.conf [17:12] Action: ananke just saw one of those for sale for $80 [17:12] :( [17:12] ananke: I was thinking about opensolaris [17:12] ip-route, hmm then try adding it? but i don't think that will fix it... sorry I'm lost [17:12] opensolaris or openbsd are my main possibilities [17:13] where would i put a laptop-mode config script for slackware? [17:13] nullboy, opensolaris sounds good... i will go for that [17:13] 80 bucks is not that bad [17:15] this one has a smartcard reader and 2-73GB disks [17:15] they are 10k's too [17:15] megaf (n=megaf@unaffiliated/megaf) joined ##slackware. [17:15] i'm making a serial cable for it right now [17:16] nullboy, sounds fun [17:16] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:27] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:28] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:28] hi [17:29] i have a netbook whick suddenly died .; its solid state drive did not detect OS on it i have booted from a live usb linux stick how can i confirm CHECH that the solid state drive is DEAD ? [17:29] does fdisk see it? [17:29] also, dmesg may help you [17:30] Camarade_Tux, you're in paris you said, correct? [17:30] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:30] Agiofws: slax usb distro usually automatically mounts drives? most others should too [17:30] hiptobecubic, not currently but that's where my parents live, and most of my friends are currently in Paris [17:30] hiptobecubic, why ? [17:30] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:31] Camarade_Tux, i'm looking for some new french music to listen to. Any suggestions? [17:31] "i'll meet you on the stairs of `la bute`.. I'll be wearing a red rose" ;) [17:31] hiptobecubic, i assume its sda and no fdisk -l does not see it [17:31] it says [17:31] hiptobecubic: sieg heil! [17:31] :D [17:31] I'm listening to Ez3kiel and Dub Incorporation at the moment. [17:31] lns40, lol [17:31] root@ubuntu:~# fdisk /dev/sda [17:31] Unable to read /dev/sda [17:32] Action: Camarade_Tux checked a failed macbook harddrive (thousands of the same model died) and the kernel just said it couldn't get anything of it [17:32] [ 1308.328790] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed [17:32] [ 1308.328807] end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 0 [17:32] tal__br00 (n=br00tal@66-188-149-192.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:32] hiptobecubic, unfortunately no, I've been so busy for about two years I've not been able to keep on track with music =/ [17:33] Agiofws: epic fail [17:33] Camarade_Tux, well if you like reggae i can suggest Dub Incorporation. :D [17:34] hiptobecubic, I'm more into metal and "old" rock (60s-80s) ;) [17:34] smartctl -a /dev/sda ? [17:34] nullboy, what does that mean [17:34] SSD is dead ? [17:34] Agiofws, yeah man i don't know what to tell you. Apparently the drive just isn't talking.... you might try it somewhere else? do you have another computer to test it with? [17:34] Action: Camarade_Tux should already be [ in bed ] [17:34] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [17:34] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:34] tal__br00 (n=br00tal@66-188-149-192.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:35] man its a solid state drive ... i don't even know what kind of bus it has .. if it fints into MY lapi its you know those NETbooks from dell [17:35] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:36] Agiofws, look up what it is? It might just be a drop-in replacement? Go look up your model number. [17:36] that means that sector 0 has gone bad and there is no more space for reallocation in that area [17:36] Agiofws, how long where you using windows on that solid state drive? [17:36] in this case...you can eliminate a head or arm issue lol [17:36] it's the flash media going bad [17:37] Agiofws, how long have you had it? [17:37] and how often do you... say... do some kind of backup/recovery? [17:37] tank-man, she was for about a month [17:38] can you take alook at this smartctl log http://rafb.net/p/PP8H3U44.html [17:39] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-088-068-030-193.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:39] root@ubuntu:~# lshal -s | grep storage [17:39] storage_serial_1ATA_STEC_PATA_8GB_STM000076D72 [17:39] storage_serial_Kingston_DataTraveler_2_0_5B7A0F9D005B_0_0 [17:39] Temperature Celsius failing_now? [17:40] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [17:40] nullboy, may try install ubuntu on the ssd and see if all goes well will be a way to test it ? [17:40] why would the ubuntu installer suddenly be able to read the drive? [17:41] hiptobecubic: cause ubuntu is magic !? [17:41] www.imagebin.org/36233 [17:41] lns40, yes, it's magically wrong :p [17:41] [ 1977.016786] end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 0 [17:41] [ 1977.016800] Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 0 [17:41] P4C0: hehe [17:41] lol imagebin of commandline [17:41] wamaral (i=1000@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:41] :D i love it [17:42] hiptobecubic, right now from his diagnotics, he believes he has a windows problem, he is trying to use ubuntu and our help to fix his windows problem [17:42] i want to make a desktop that's just a full size screenshot of terminal [17:43] Solixa (n=bestbuy@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:43] Wait what? "Windows can't read the disk" was the original problem? And then we discoverd that the kernel also can't read the disk? [17:43] hahah. so i installed that nvidia driver last night [17:43] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.58.192) joined ##slackware. [17:43] and at shell when i do xdm [17:43] the screen just goes black [17:43] Agiofws, have you visually inspected the drive? it's not melted or anything crazy? [17:44] SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: FAILED! [17:44] Drive failure expected in less than 24 hours. SAVE ALL DATA. [17:44] hiptobecubic, yes i even reseated it [17:44] lol [17:44] ahaha [17:44] Is the drive on fire at the moment? [17:44] lololol [17:44] MAY DAY MAY DAY! ALL YOUR DATA ARE BELONG TO US. YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO ESCAPE. MAKE YOUR TIME [17:44] LOL! [17:44] =0 [17:44] lol [17:44] blitz (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:45] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:45] nope [17:45] i think its dead [17:45] Agiofws, did you try with the original restore cd that came with your netbook? [17:45] but can't find out for sure [17:45] Agiofws: You think right. Drives are cheap and plentiful these days. Toss it and get a new one. [17:45] Agiofws: YOU THINK!? [17:45] tank-man, you think that this net book has a cd [17:45] nope [17:45] alicephilippa (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:45] lol this server timeouts you so quick if you're on telnet [17:45] oh, notebook. [17:45] netbook [17:46] i'm booting it with a libe ubuntu stick [17:46] Agiofws, usb cdrom drives work [17:46] tank-man, no money to buy one just to help out a freind .. [17:46] Hay - Screen goes black when i run xdm! What should I do? [17:47] tank-man, have to make a usb stick from the cd that came with the netbook a usb xp stick [17:48] :O [17:48] The file /var/log/xdm.log will contain error messages from xdm and anything output to stderr by [17:48] Xsetup, Xstartup, Xsession or Xreset. When you have trouble getting xdm working, check this file to [17:48] see if xdm has any clues to the trouble. [17:49] what package does 'mount' come from? [17:49] util-linux-ng [17:49] josemanuel (n=josemanu@193.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [17:49] skibur, try grep "mount" /var/log/pack*/* [17:50] thanks [17:50] dtanner, won't let me open it [17:50] the log [17:50] are you root ? [17:50] The file /var/log/xdm.log will contain error messages from xdm and anything output to stderr by [17:50] Xsetup, Xstartup, Xsession or Xreset. When you have trouble getting xdm working, check this file to [17:50] ooops sorry about that double paste [17:50] yeah [17:51] skibur: dtanner@seventakeone:~$ grep "/bin/mount" /var/log/packages/* [17:51] /var/log/packages/sysvinit-2.86-i486-6:usr/bin/mountpoint [17:51] grep bin/mount /var/log/packages/* [17:51] k [17:51] I think I found a bug [17:51] in mount [17:51] need the source [17:53] skibur: thrice nailed the pkg mount is in. /var/log/packages/util-linux-ng-2.14.1-i486-1:bin/mount [17:53] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.71.155) joined ##slackware. [17:53] hey dtanner, I couldn't open the file [17:53] the logs [17:53] k [17:53] thanks guys [17:53] tal__br00 (n=br00tal@66-188-149-192.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:53] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.113.141) left irc: "Saindo" [17:53] dtanner: I hope you see the failure in your grep [17:53] dunno Solixa , are the perms correct for root to read it ? [17:54] thrice`: yes i see the error in my ways [17:54] what error? [17:54] dtanner, would that be chmod 777? [17:54] he had /bin/mount instead of bin/mount (relative path) [17:54] tal__br00 (n=br00tal@eu130.ips.paulbunyan.net) joined ##slackware. [17:57] i switched to en_US.UTF-8 and now characters _don't_ print correctly. gah [17:58] setting up my fuzers :P [17:58] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] skibur: what kind of bug? [17:59] segment fault [18:00] not really know what triggers it [18:01] dtanner, I got xdm.log to open [18:02] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.118.233.247.wireless.dyn.drei.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:02] xdm error (pid 3274): Server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly: 2816 [18:02] ljubak (n=ljubak@94.189.228.108) joined ##slackware. [18:02] Display :0 is being disabled [18:02] Action: lns40 gives Solixa a lolly [18:03] extor (i=xtor@c-24-12-9-103.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:04] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2+2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [18:05] and when i do startx it just doesn't do anything [18:05] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. 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[18:09] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.155) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:09] Nick change: Strykar_ -> Strykar [18:10] Makaveli_ma (i=SALADIN@adsl196-94-40-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma) left irc: [18:10] dtanner, i just updated my nvidia driver [18:10] and after that it fucked up [18:11] is the nvidia driver loaded ? did you change your driver in xorg.conf to "nvidia" ? [18:11] did you have a working X before installing the nvidia driver ? [18:12] Solixa, afte you run startx, is there anything interesting in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? [18:12] sec [18:13] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-59-147.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [18:13] no [18:13] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:14] do you get a blinking light at the top left? Solixa? [18:15] when i do startx yeah [18:15] a blinking _ [18:15] mine does that [18:15] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) left irc: "leaving" [18:15] I wait around 2 mins [18:15] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:15] it never took that long [18:15] I know [18:16] gm152 (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:16] but I get no GLX support [18:16] don't know why [18:16] 2 minutes to start x? that's a nice new feature ;) [18:16] LOL [18:17] did it work? [18:17] is the kernel nvidia module loading ? and did you change your driver in xorg.conf to nvidia instead of nv ? [18:17] skibur, haven't tried it. trying some other stuff in a sec [18:18] k [18:20] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [18:20] limac (n=chatzill@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]" [18:22] slackware-jennie (n=jennie@unaffiliated/slackware-jennie) joined ##slackware. [18:23] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:24] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:24] slackware-jennie (n=jennie@unaffiliated/slackware-jennie) left irc: Client Quit [18:25] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left ##slackware. [18:25] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:25] i'm in xorg.conf [18:25] What am I looking for, though? 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[18:46] I'm having trouble with an old 16bit pcmcia card that use to just work in slackware, its a smc 8020 10mbit network card [18:46] dmesg shows that its being detected when I plug it in [18:46] but thats it [18:48] does anyone knows where is the max size of a user name? or where it's defined? in bsd it's in utmp.h but here I'm not sure [18:51] sQuEE (n=narya@201.253.202.23) left irc: "fnord!!" [18:53] Garak_, do you have the driver installed? [18:53] sQuEE (n=narya@201.253.202.23) joined ##slackware. [18:54] it uses smc91c92_cs [18:54] is that modprobed? [18:54] I loaded it manually but its not detecting the card [18:54] Pig_Pen, i ran nvidia-xconfig, still doesnt work [18:55] dmesg says it's been plugged in but doesn't mention the driver or anything? [18:55] renew01 (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:55] is it in lspci? or whatever it is that shows you pcmcia thing [18:55] s [18:55] renew (n=renew@ppp-67-124-90-73.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:55] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:55] all its says is pccard: PCMCIA card inserted into slot 0 [18:56] dosn't show up in lspci [18:56] I think its ISA [18:56] its a 16bit card [18:57] zGhost (i=dave@adsl-69-209-123-97.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) left irc: [18:57] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [18:57] hmm [18:57] for some reason isapnp comes to mind, but I can't remember anything about it [18:58] Yeah i don't know either, unfortunately [18:58] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: "221 GoodBye - WeeChat 0.2.7-dev" [18:58] I use to know this stuff, fuck memory loss sucks [18:59] milomb (n=milomb@64.212.175.249) joined ##slackware. [18:59] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [18:59] hum... my drivers are installed for Nvidia and Xorg.conf is configured. I run the Nvidia app via KDE and I get this, "The OpenGL extension 'GLX' is not supported by [18:59] the X server or there was a problem retrieving [18:59] GLX information from the X server." [19:00] skibur, did you try the nv driver? [19:00] nv? [19:00] I have nvidia [19:00] on the xorg [19:01] skibur, try it with nv and see if you get the same error [19:01] driver "nv" [19:01] I'll give it a wack [19:01] DasEi (n=m@f048005054.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [19:01] r0b_ (n=r0b@pool-71-244-142-161.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:01] I'm almost done with compiling codeblocks [19:01] 12.2 is installing :) [19:02] I wish I had a real switch here, router on a stick could work for me then [19:03] skibur: just ran nvidia-settings here using 180.22 mines fine Geforce Go 7150M here [19:03] in slackware 12.2 gsb [19:03] milomb (n=milomb@64.212.175.249) left ##slackware. [19:04] Garak: today at ebay: http://cgi.ebay.de/level-one-24-Port-10-100Mbps-Dual-Speed-Hub_W0QQitemZ300286694793QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDE_Computer_Peripherie_Netzwerk?hash=item300286694793&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1229%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 [19:05] skibur, i'm also using 180.x on a 7150M without problem. [19:05] hum... [19:05] I used the slackbuild option [19:05] so i connect to the LOM port and this is all i get from that Sun V120 http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/9818 [19:05] something about nvidia switch? [19:06] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.198) left irc: [19:07] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:07] nullboy, looks good to me. Sudo apt-get bootup [19:08] the unit has zeroed out disks installed and I have no idea wtf i'm doing [19:08] wdyy (n=wdyy@211.138.36.202) joined ##slackware. [19:09] initself_ (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] DasEi: by real switch I mean something with vlans and vlan taging [19:11] nullboy, sound good. Usually when i get to that stage i start thinking about alternative uses. Perhaps you can make it into a table? [19:11] DasEi: router on a stick uses one physical network interface as many virtual interfaces, one interface for every vlan on the switch [19:12] gundam (n=gundam@slackware.it/staff/gundam) joined ##slackware. [19:13] gundam (n=gundam@slackware.it/staff/gundam) left irc: Client Quit [19:14] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/9820 [19:14] meepmeep (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chel.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [19:15] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chel.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:16] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-245702.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:20] nullboy: http://www.woodbrewery.co.uk/potogold.htm \o/ [19:21] damn man! [19:21] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [19:21] that's what i'm missing. BEER [19:22] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [19:23] mmm [19:23] i have beer (: [19:24] nullboy: got three from that brewery over Christmas \o/ [19:25] wdyy (n=wdyy@211.138.36.202) left irc: [19:25] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Connection timed out [19:25] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.242.243) joined ##slackware. [19:26] i have Everclear 190 proof (95%) :D [19:27] Solixa! [19:27] yo [19:27] ohshi- everclear [19:27] How did your en-devour end up? [19:27] Ended up lulzy [19:27] x still doesn't work [19:28] okay, you installed the nvidia driver right [19:28] after i installed that nvidia driver [19:28] yeah [19:28] ??? lol [19:29] i installed the nvidia driver and after that xdm doesn't work [19:29] when i do xdm it gives me a black screen [19:29] mhhm [19:29] startx just gives me a "_" at the top left [19:29] and does nothing [19:29] did you allow nvidia to create the xorg.conf after it was done installing? [19:30] with nvidia-xconfig or whatever? yeah [19:30] yes [19:30] i basically said yes to everything [19:30] the xorg.conf? [19:30] yeah [19:30] it wrote to that [19:30] what does /var/log/xorg.0.log say? [19:30] sec [19:30] /var/log/Xorg.0.log [19:31] anything i'm looking for specifically? [19:31] errors [19:31] lines that start with EE [19:31] under backtrace: ? [19:31] d0htem (n=d0htem@unaffiliated/d0htem) joined ##slackware. [19:32] /EE found one [19:32] what it be yo? [19:32] oh nvm [19:32] i had to add a complete fonts path entry for each type here [19:32] Wasn't an error it was telling me all the acronyms [19:33] ohh [19:33] yeah no errors [19:33] try xinit [19:33] or Xinit [19:34] black screen, single _ top left [19:34] so far doing nothing [19:35] console window right? [19:35] yep [19:35] hm [19:35] do you get that nvidia splash screen? [19:35] Pig_Pen, no [19:36] what WM do you have set to load Solixa? [19:36] WM? [19:36] window manager [19:36] oh [19:36] Well when i boot up it doesn't auto run any [19:36] it goes to console login [19:36] and then a shell [19:36] i usually use xdm [19:37] why use xdm then? [19:37] hm? [19:37] during install of slackware you must have selected a default window manager [19:37] couldn't you just log in at the console and type startx? [19:37] i think u must set xdm to load after instaling nvidia driver.. im not sure.. [19:37] mrselfpwn, won't work. [19:37] startx does nothing, lol [19:38] do some Xorgconfig... [19:38] xwmconfig or xwmconf i always use startx here or xinit [19:38] Solixa [19:38] any errors in /var/log/xorg.0.log ? [19:38] yep? [19:38] no errors [19:38] what window manager do you use? [19:38] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.158.7) left irc: "leaving" [19:38] there were errors somewhere, unexpected something, terminating :0 [19:38] right [19:39] disabling :0 [19:39] bombuzal (n=bombuzal@unaffiliated/bombuzal) left irc: "Leaving" [19:39] Xorgconfig Solixa? [19:39] sec booting [19:39] he used nvidia-xconfig or what ever [19:39] had to hard reboot [19:39] yeah [19:39] LOL [19:39] nvidia-xconfig [19:40] i use that, it works fine [19:40] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:40] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-5-138.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:40] mrselfpwn: aint that nvidia-xconfig works in X? [19:40] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-75-62.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] depends on driver version with 180.22 i had to edit it after nvidia-xconfig [19:41] mhhm [19:41] jeee [19:41] what did you change Rat? [19:41] got the fixed-width font not found error [19:42] okay running xorgconfig [19:42] added font paths [19:42] ahh [19:42] to files section [19:43] I still am curious as to what WM you use. [19:43] and maybe also rgb.text [19:43] pebcak? [19:43] me or Solixa? [19:43] KDE, Gnome, XFCE, fluxbox? [19:43] Solixa [19:43] KDE [19:43] okay [19:44] evo_ (n=evo@wrzb-5f75b13e.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "Don't mind your make-up, make your mind up!" [19:44] sitwon_ (n=adam@pool-71-163-13-94.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:44] since you installed KDE the default login manager in init4 is KDM [19:45] unless you edited rc.4 [19:45] anrxc (n=anrxc@sysphere.org) left irc: "Yes, yes, its called a desgin limitation" [19:45] I haven't edited anything [19:45] superted (n=chatzill@78.148.137.30) joined ##slackware. [19:45] isn't it redundant to start xdm from console? [19:46] superted (n=chatzill@78.148.137.30) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]" [19:46] Nick change: Bugz___ -> Bugz_ [19:47] well either way [19:47] i have to start xdm from console [19:47] >> [19:47] i reran pkgtool>setup>mkfontdir,fontconfig also [19:47] cant u just start your favorite KDE from console? [19:48] Solixa you can edit .xinitrc in your home directory and add exec kde [19:48] mrselfpwn: yeah.. [19:48] which will start kde when you type startx [19:48] yeah but it will just automatically start kde and fail [19:49] well, if it fails you must find out why [19:49] exactly... [19:49] which is why i am here (; [19:49] alas we are not "there" so we can only do so much. ;) [19:49] check the nvidia-installer log? [19:50] rat, where's the log at? [19:50] /var/log [19:50] usr/something [19:50] kk [19:50] Solixa: try to disable some things, like hardware acceleration and some fancy things i xorg.conf.. [19:51] in* xorg.conf [19:51] Garak_ (i=Garak@stjhnf0112w-142162183132.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) left irc: Connection timed out [19:51] in the nvidia-installer.log, what am i looking for? [19:52] Solixa, I have noticed that when you use the nvidia-xconfig it merges the new stuff into your old xorg.conf [19:52] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:52] it backs up the old one though [19:52] you can try deleting xorg.conf completely and then run nvidia-xorgconf [19:52] rofl k [19:52] nvidia-xconfig* or whatever [19:52] try that [19:53] ed___ (n=ed@92.1.133.101) joined ##slackware. [19:53] Hello [19:53] hi [19:53] hi [19:53] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:53] I just ran remove_kde4.sh and tried to resinstall KDE3 from CD, but I got disappointing messages telling me to go check my installation [19:54] sister typed that* [19:55] Fair enough [19:56] sitwon (n=adam@pool-72-83-122-133.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:57] anyluck Solixa? [19:57] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [19:57] maybe in a sec [19:57] had to find the xorg.conf [19:58] It says it can't start kdestarupconfig... [19:58] you installed qt related packages I'm assuming [19:58] I assume so too... but perhaps... ah [19:59] qca and qca-tls packages will need to be installed as well [19:59] Perhaps the remove_kde4.sh didn't remove my qt4 properly because it was a slackbuild-built one [19:59] should be rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf Solixa [19:59] it was [19:59] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176064131.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:59] new x configuration file written [19:59] ed___: if the package was there.. it should've removed it [19:59] nice [19:59] Meh [20:00] try to start x now? [20:00] startx [20:00] yes [20:00] k [20:00] Says it's there [20:01] Gah, I installed qca and qca-tls... it still won't work :-( [20:02] what's the error? [20:02] x won't start [20:02] That's not the errorr [20:02] the error will be a long line detailing what the actual error message is [20:02] ok Solixa [20:02] and yes its important [20:02] right there at the console [20:02] ed___: what's the error? [20:02] after x failed it should tell you why [20:03] lol [20:03] Let's see again [20:03] mrselfpwn, it just didn't do anything [20:03] nor told me anything [20:03] no output [20:03] just frozen [20:03] ljubak (n=ljubak@94.189.228.108) left irc: "Leaving" [20:03] black screen again? [20:03] yep [20:03] with a single _ [20:03] not flashing [20:03] uh huh [20:03] top left [20:03] erm [20:03] 1. Could not start kstartupconfig. Check your installation. [20:03] what video card? [20:03] hit ctrl+alt+f1 [20:03] Dominian, nVidia 8700m gt [20:04] 2. Could not start kkdeinit. Check your installation. [20:04] ed___: ldd `which kdeinit` [20:04] ed___: pastebin the results [20:04] anrxc (n=anrxc@sysphere.org) joined ##slackware. [20:04] where you typed startx there should be some test Solixa [20:04] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [20:04] mrselfpwn, there's a flash of text for like a second [20:04] then black [20:05] as if it were a .bat script [20:05] You didn't specify "nvidia" as the driver did you? [20:05] i understand though you are looking at terminal 7 [20:05] in xorg.conf under driver it says nvidia [20:05] you ran startx in terminal 1 [20:05] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.242.243) left irc: "Leaving" [20:05] i am guessing [20:05] terminal 1-7? whut? [20:06] how are you talking to us? [20:06] my other laptop [20:06] okay [20:06] i was telnetting here on the linux box though XD [20:06] http://pastebin.com/m46bbf1ff [20:06] Cheers [20:07] on the linuxbox in question hit ctrl+alt+f1 [20:07] ed___: you're missing some libs [20:07] oh man i think i got debian netboot working for ath sun box [20:07] ed___: you are missing qt3 [20:07] linux has multiple terminals [20:07] ctrl+alt+f1 did nothing [20:07] ed___: it appears your missing.. what XGizzmo_ said [20:07] ed___: ls /var/log/packages | grep qt [20:07] it did not take you to terminal? [20:08] should return: qt-3.3.8b-i486-2 [20:08] ors omething similar [20:08] Hey guys, I think he missing QT3. What do you guys think? [20:08] Action: Dominian slaps jkwood [20:08] he could be missing qt3 [20:08] :P [20:08] silence! [20:08] I keeeel you. [20:08] XGizzmo_: No, I think its qt-3 [20:08] or it could be qt-3.x [20:09] right it in binary [20:09] mrselfpwn, Ctrl+Alt+F1 did nothing [20:09] 00011000001111000000 [20:09] lol [20:09] that's one letter... [20:09] yes [20:09] probably easier to write it in hex [20:09] Hmm, perhaps it thought it didn't neede to install qt 'cause I already have qt4 [20:09] be somethng stupid like... FE [20:09] lol [20:09] ed___: then something didn't get removed properly [20:10] Solixa, I would suggest reading about linux terminals and how to use them [20:10] try removepkg /var/log/packages/*kde4 maybe [20:10] OR actually, maybe... blergh, maybe the remove_kde3.sh script decided to go and remove all of kde, even stuff not in the /kde series >< [20:11] it's like skipping 1-3 and going strait to 4 when counting from 1-10 [20:11] if that crude analogy makes sense [20:11] it's freaking working [20:11] debian on a Sun v120 [20:11] haha [20:12] mrselfpwn, i would if x would work [20:12] >> [20:12] (; [20:13] d0htem (n=d0htem@unaffiliated/d0htem) left irc: "leaving" [20:13] Alright, this seems to make sense. Thanks everyone, I'll try it when I have arts [20:13] d0htem (n=d0htem@unaffiliated/d0htem) joined ##slackware. [20:13] ok solixa [20:14] mhm [20:14] this will not use your nvidia driver, but it will get x to work atleast [20:14] run xorgconfig [20:14] and go through the questions [20:14] i can help if you like [20:14] Solixa: i can paste my xorg.conf but its set up for synaptics touchpad. and mines a 7150m. i seem to recall was 1 driver version and kernel version need a workaround or patch. was in nvidia.com forum,but i forget which [20:14] It works! [20:14] Yippee! Thanks! [20:14] 7150m? [20:14] ed___ (n=ed@92.1.133.101) left irc: "leaving" [20:14] oh [20:15] well i'm running through xorgconfig now [20:15] we'll see how that goes [20:15] ok [20:15] GeforeGo yuh laptop.ok snacktime biab [20:15] atleast get you into X [20:15] then you can try Rat409's config [20:15] vesa should work at any rate [20:16] ed___ (n=ed@92.1.133.101) joined ##slackware. [20:16] I was just saying that KDE is working; nothing to do with NVIDIA drivers [20:16] yes where it asks for the video card type, just hit enter. [20:16] Bye [20:16] .quit [20:16] ed___ (n=ed@92.1.133.101) left irc: Client Quit [20:17] whre did ed get the idea I was talking to him about Nvidia drivers... [20:17] lol [20:17] i have no ideo [20:17] idea [20:17] [ in bed ] :) [20:17] lol [20:18] hrm what should i do about my sync? [20:18] Dominian: It was the voices in his head. [20:18] vsync [20:18] what type monitor do you use? [20:18] lcd? [20:18] laptop lcd [20:18] yeah [20:18] alienware m9750 [20:18] hmm... is there a python package? can't find any [20:18] 6 should be fine [20:19] and 3 for horizontal [20:19] if it helps http://pastebin.ca/1312965 [20:19] it gives me 50-70 50-90 50-100 40-150 [20:19] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.216.224) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:19] I don't set syncs on my alienware laptop [20:19] Solixa: is that the aurora m9750? [20:19] Solixa: 17" widescreen.. full keyboard etc etc? [20:19] yeah [20:19] hehe I have an m9700 [20:19] love it [20:20] love mine too [20:20] bulky but nice [20:20] like Old_Fogie [20:20] bulky.. yes.. mobile workstation [20:20] it's mah baby [20:20] did you get teh SLI? [20:20] mrselfpwn, :) [20:20] unfortunately not [20:20] ;) [20:20] Solixa: You don't need it really [20:20] Solixa: I didn't get it [20:20] yeah lol [20:21] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [20:21] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.216.224) joined ##slackware. [20:21] Solixa: http://slackwaregallery.org/displayimage.php?album=random&cat=6&pos=-212 [20:21] nice desk [20:21] lol [20:21] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [20:21] hehe [20:21] my daughter's littletyke's table hehe [20:22] where is the rest of the laptop? [20:22] oh, it's green lmao [20:22] looks like part of the table [20:22] heh [20:22] SLI would be great if you could dual monitor. From what I remember about it is you'd have to get a totally different brand for a second video card that you'd use for your second monitor. Please correct me if that's changed. [20:23] I use the "Matrix" screensaver on mine [20:23] hey when it asks me how much video memory i have [20:23] it only gives me up to 256mb [20:23] yeah [20:23] doesn't matter [20:23] lolk [20:23] agentc0re: With SLI.. it basically means that one half of the monitor is rendered by one card the other half by the other card [20:23] i usually use 8mb for testing [20:23] agentc0re: and with SLI you can do dual monitor just fine [20:23] Solixa: The other thing I'll be doing with mine shortly.. is two 500GB laptop drives in a raid1 ;) [20:24] lol nic [20:24] nice [20:24] love having the second bay [20:24] now THAT is what i need [20:24] Dominian: Is that new? I swear i remember reading about how you couldn't dual screen if you SLI'd. [20:24] i'll be doing two 10krpms in raid0 [20:24] agentc0re: Dunno as far as I know...you can.. but I could be wrong [20:24] new harddrives [20:24] Solixa: just make sure you backup a lot hehe [20:24] yeah the alienware has hotswappable bays [20:24] neverwas (n=Adam@237-71-14-216-arpa.cust.cinci.current.net) joined ##slackware. [20:25] bcak later [20:25] Action: mrselfpwn crys. [20:25] i'm going out of town and have no laptop [20:25] Dominian: http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=6269 [20:26] I have an ISO of the 12.2 slackware install DVD and A computer that doesn't have a DVD drive, it has a CDROM drive, would it be easier to use an old KNOPIX cd and copy the iso to the hard drive from the network and then install from there or to break the ISO up into discs and burn them? [20:27] i installed from online repositories when i ran into that problem once [20:27] but it was suse [20:27] or just dl the d1-3? [20:28] my connection is slow [20:28] Ah, so Nvidia finally built in dual monitor support for SLI as of the 180.XX driver set. [20:28] sweet! [20:28] xorg.conf made [20:29] good [20:29] startx [20:29] and don't try any funny business [20:29] hey mrselfpwn [20:29] guess what [20:29] it works [20:29] it wor-JK [20:29] lol [20:29] Yes'm? [20:29] same as before [20:30] reallly??? [20:30] _ [20:30] freezes [20:30] srsly [20:30] well [20:30] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "leaving" [20:31] idk [20:31] lolol [20:31] have you stumped do i [20:31] xD [20:31] read the log i would say [20:31] /var/log/Xorg.0.log [20:32] not sure what could be going on there [20:32] maybe Rat's xorg.conf will just "work" [20:32] but it would be a lot easier if you knew your way around the terminals [20:33] theres more then one!?!?! [20:33] hehe [20:33] there are console based web browsers even Solixa [20:33] hahaha [20:33] i bet [20:33] lynx, links2 [20:34] too bad slack doesn't have like [20:34] but is there a console based javascript enabled browser? [20:34] yum or apt-get [20:34] links-hacked [20:35] but doesn't come in slackware [20:36] no java lmao [20:36] from here http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight links to this http://www.microsoft.com/interop/msnovellcollab/moonlight.mspx ; So I take it you can install it on Slackware, but can't "package it" and put on Slackware box for family? Anyone crossed this bridge yet at? [20:37] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:38] yeah if you get caught 'packaging it' Gates and come to your house with goons and break your legs [20:38] while he eats an apple and watches [20:38] at least thats what it said in my EULA [20:38] family, office == same same in my book [20:39] and then makes a peanut butter sandwhich with "your" peanut butter. [20:39] Action: neverwas thinks you'll be alright [20:39] i found a solution for my network lag, i think [20:39] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.153.201.55.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [20:39] there's a newer version of distcc which supports remote preprocessing [20:39] Solixa, no, that's wrong. It's not "too bad". If you want Fedora or Debian or the like, go for it. It wouldn't be Slackware if yum/apt-get worked. [20:40] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-59-147.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [20:40] as long as it's not Kellogg peanut butter [20:40] slapt-get? [20:40] rob0, nah i like slack [20:40] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:41] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:42] right [20:42] stay with Bob [20:43] no, Jiffy neverwas [20:43] and the smiling penguin in the top left of your term session [20:43] superGear (n=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/7-0-0&fp=4975dc1f0d97597b&ei=Wit1SdWoDYaKwQH48uyBDg&url=http%3A//www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE50I5FA20090119&cid=1293352290&usg=AFQjCNH6zd5BcIrypU40QGeZgWA2vC9xow [20:43] hba (n=hba@189.188.153.147) joined ##slackware. [20:43] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.15) joined ##slackware. [20:44] though, it would be wise to research atleast working in the terminal. That way if you ever come across a problem like the one you have now. You can take care of it, even if you don't have internet access. [20:45] oh nice to here [20:45] hear [20:45] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [20:45] no, it really is nice here today [20:46] i left off the o on to [20:46] ;) [20:46] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.81.30.185) joined ##slackware. [20:46] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.45) left ##slackware. [20:47] ah, english, what phun [20:48] I always did well at writing, though I slacked of in rules part [20:48] superGear (n=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:48] too much math for my taste [20:48] could i use my own computer to like retunnel through an ssh on my own machine so that my outbound packets are encrypted or would that kind of defeat the purpose?? [20:49] SM177Y yes [20:49] you can [20:49] SM177Y: have you done a google search for ssh tunneling [20:49] and it is applicable sometimes [20:49] are you using a windows pc or slackware? [20:49] yes i have set up ssh tunnels b4 [20:49] or what? [20:49] i am on slamd actually but not really any difference when it comes too ssh [20:49] alright, so how is that any different? [20:49] i guess so [20:50] I mean, where are you 'sending you outbound packets' to? [20:50] but that still wouldnt help me for inbound, i would need to use another machine like at my house [20:50] just outbound connections in general for like all system outbound connections i meant [20:50] route it through you home machine yes [20:50] SM177Y, SSH tunnel encrypts connections. It doesn't care about the packets. [20:51] well your home network [20:51] so your going to encrypt packets and send them to whomever is listening? how will they decrypt them? [20:51] SSH servers usually handle that.... [20:52] SM177Y: take a look at this [20:52] http://www.hak5.org/episode-416 [20:52] ccfeak2k: yes i know that, the reason i said packets bc i am basically making my packets encrypted on an unencrypted network here. i say packets bc i can monitor packets here and see pretty much everything coming in and out of this network from virtually everyone. [20:52] and if i can do it than so can anyone else, which is what i am not too fond of [20:52] SM177Y: that's really hard to believe [20:53] Especially on a switched network. [20:53] neverwas: what part? [20:53] http://www.hak5.org/episodes/episode-416 [20:53] that is better [20:53] P4C0 (n=onetwo@200.124.22.34) left irc: "Leaving" [20:53] mrselfpwn: ya that first one dint work for some reason [20:53] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [20:54] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.58.192) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:54] good show to watch in general too [20:54] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Connection reset by peer [20:54] SM177Y: just because tcpdump or ethereal gives you packets doesn't mean that's everything on the wire [20:54] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [20:54] wire meaning network [20:54] neverwas: i know that. im mainly talking about information being transfered like messenger clients, even irc [20:55] http://bitcast-a.bitgravity.com/revision3/web/hak5/0416/hak5--0416--SSHGamesBlogsPasswords--large.xvid.avi [20:55] like right now i can watch everything that i can see myself right now in my irc client, on the network tho in unencrypted form [20:55] right [20:55] alright, but if your plugged into a switch, the switch creates a virtual connection to your gateway [20:56] not everyone sees what you see [20:56] Suprise! You can view packets whose source or destination are YOUR IP ADDRESS! [20:56] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:56] d0htem (n=d0htem@unaffiliated/d0htem) left irc: "leaving" [20:56] if your over wireless, then yes you can see all wireless traffic, sorta [20:56] if your plugged into a hub then you could see all traffic on the segment [20:56] but they won't be able to ferret and hamster your packets [20:57] if you are ssh'd [20:57] there is a 'secure' method of iirc and IM [20:57] though what about just checking email on google? [20:58] mrselfpwn, Google Mail supports SSL. [20:58] https://gmail.com [20:58] I'm pretty sure MSN does as well. [20:58] only if you type mail.google.com/mail [20:58] not anymore [20:58] ahhh [20:58] they fixed it then [20:58] like a year ago [20:58] well ya lol [20:58] no [20:58] i don't even use the webclient though [20:58] lol not that long [20:59] i am mainly on wifi so... [20:59] yeah it was a while ago [20:59] SM177Y: wifi where? i tunnel all my irc, IM, and http traffic over ssh [20:59] but chrome tells your being redirected if you do https://gmail.com [20:59] for hotspots [20:59] well, there are still ways and ssh is better [20:59] but my desktop is on the lan and i can still see most peoples stuff on my entire subnet in the whole building [20:59] nullboy: you tunnel to a different location and then out to the public net [20:59] like its like one giant lan in this 3 story dorm building [21:00] neverwas: yes [21:00] also, you can crack ssl now [21:00] oh here we go [21:00] .... [21:00] no, you can crack md5 now [21:00] right [21:00] which in turn [21:00] crack md5?? [21:00] you meaning someone can [21:00] Now? How about "for like a year?" [21:00] once [21:00] SM177Y: md5 has been known to be broken/breakable for a while now [21:00] or just calculate md5's from plaintext and compare them? [21:00] in three days with a cluster of ps3's [21:00] well ya [21:00] and high volumn of data [21:01] yes or using your intel graphics processor [21:01] SM177Y, is your building really so old that it uses hubs instead of switches? [21:01] excuse me [21:01] nvidia [21:01] lol im not quite sure, its at the college im at [21:01] using a switch doesn't make a difference [21:01] SM177Y: you can ssh tunnel to your house or some other 'trusted' location and from there out to iirc and im and http and wtf [21:01] Good evening everyone. Is there a command to add new groups, or do I have to edit /etc/group manually? And if I do need to edit /etc/group, how do I leave the password blank? Some of the entries have "x" or "!" for the password. [21:01] Sure it does. If he can see the traffic from other boxes, how else is it explained? [21:01] neverwas: ya thats what i was going to originally do but since im not at home i havent had the chance to set it up [21:01] ccfreak2k: it depends on the traffic [21:02] there is nothing wrong with him wanting to protect his packets [21:02] Oh come on, multicast/broadcast traffic doesn't count. :) [21:02] is it illegal to hack my own network at home ?:P lol [21:02] i would assume not [21:02] SM177Y: you maybe be able to find a free shell out there somewhere that would allow tunneling [21:02] never done it before though [21:02] SM177Y, is it illegal to break into your own car? [21:02] ccfreak2k: i guess not haha [21:02] only when I tried to report it to my insurance company [21:03] lol [21:03] that couldn't understand why i had 10 mac book pros in my trunk [21:03] so..who wants to buy a sun v120 that has debian on it? this thing is too damn loud for me [21:03] they [21:03] SM177Y: I just caught the tail end of this conversation, but it sounds like you're talking about virtual private networking. There are some internet sites that provide the service for free. Just do a search on Google. [21:04] nullboy is that laptop? [21:04] no it's a 1U [21:04] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2+2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [21:04] PaddyMac, it's about end-to-end encryption in general. [21:04] The general consensus was, of course, SSH tunnelling. [21:05] PaddyMac: groupadd (8) - Create a new group [21:05] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [21:05] ssh tunneling is limited in capability, compared to a real VPN like openvpn. [21:06] i was thinking, at least in the mean time, to just use a proxy with ssl, (not the best thing by any means, but would work) but most proxies cant deliver the kind of bandwidth that i have access to :P [21:06] how much you want for it nullboy? i need a server [21:06] SM177Y, simple solution: proxy your sensitive data through the proxy. Leave the rest unencrypted. [21:06] 80+shipping bucks and i'll throw in a spare disk [21:06] it comes with 2 73GB U320 disks [21:06] When you're grabbing the latest Slackware ISO, who cares who knows that you're downloading it. [21:06] i have a third extra [21:07] PaddyMac: http://www.slackbook.org/html/shell.html#SHELL-USERS [21:07] ccfreak2k: i would prefer everything encrypted. (for other reasons as well) [21:07] Thanks, rob0! [21:07] lol [21:07] hmm [21:07] Unfortunately "man group" had very little info. [21:07] actually, it might be like a couple of weeks, though I am interested [21:07] mrselfpwn: i'll have it [21:07] okay [21:08] if you want it later just yell [21:08] aight [21:08] PaddyMac: after man fails you there is always http://tinyurl.com/8pjz5d [21:08] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [21:08] i'm going to try a chroot jail and see how the kernel 2.4 will work :P [21:09] one small question, but i beleive i already know the answer, i just would like to make sure. but if i ssh tunnel through a machine at my house, wouldnt i then be bottlenecked to my home internets upload speed?? [21:10] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) joined ##slackware. [21:10] shonuf [21:10] da [21:10] makes sense that i would be stuck at my home comps upload, thats the only reason i wouldnt like it. [21:11] i have 5 meg at my house, which isnt bad for downloading but the upload isnt much more than 65K/s. [21:11] ouch [21:11] on the other hand at school here i have access to 45 meg internet lol [21:11] lol [21:11] use that [21:11] i can download at 8mg/s [21:11] its sick [21:11] lol [21:11] not much slower than a home LAN [21:11] why do you need ssh tunneling? just because it is a school network? [21:11] I can only download at 1 MB/s :-( [21:12] ;-) [21:12] lol, i can only get 350KB/s [21:12] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [21:12] i usually get around 850-900 kbs [21:12] oh yeah! well i can only download. period. both ways... in the snow to [21:12] kb or kB [21:12] well its a school, so theres tons of people on, and who knows whos all getting into what, i just dont like my entire contact lists and irc convos being spread across the network. [21:12] http://xkcd.com/verizon/verizon.jpg [21:13] kbs like i said [21:13] ROTFL [21:13] lol [21:13] respect my autrhoritii [21:13] juice: that is awesome [21:13] lol [21:13] but i've seen it in quite a few places already, that check [21:13] lol [21:14] HAHAHAHAH [21:14] that is great [21:14] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.158.7) joined ##slackware. [21:14] did he say if they cashed it? [21:15] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.153.201.55.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) left ##slackware. [21:15] how do you pay out on almost .003 but never .003 ? [21:15] oh wait [21:15] addition [21:16] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: Client Quit [21:18] yeah, it came out about the same time they fixed google ssl [21:18] anyone own a recent thinkpad, and tweak their harddrive with hdparm ? [21:18] addition [21:19] I thought it was included in the fix... [21:19] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [21:20] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left ##slackware. [21:21] hmm does anyone else have kcalc crash when you do E^(2pi) ? [21:21] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [21:21] lmao [21:21] i was afraid to try [21:21] try octave [21:21] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [21:21] wanna see some decent internet?? http://www.angelfire.com/games6/smittywork/rapenet.jpg [21:22] speedtest.net [21:22] :P [21:22] try that one too [21:24] http://www.speedtest.net/result/393783754.png [21:24] lol :P [21:24] its insane here :D i love it [21:24] ffs! [21:25] that is unreal [21:25] omfg [21:25] where do you live? [21:25] it goes up and down a lil, depending on how many people are on and what they are doing [21:25] oh is that's an i not 2 in the check? [21:25] michigan [21:26] damn [21:26] SM177Y: where in michigan ? [21:26] people at that school must not know how to horde bandwidth [21:27] so, has anyone played an x264-encoded video on Xine in 12.2? [21:28] ya they dont know shit :P [21:28] hehe [21:28] thats why i am having a hay day with this shit [21:28] lol [21:29] i can torrent at like 5 meg/s haha its just ridiculous [21:29] thats why i was saying it would suck to run a tunnel from my house on 5 meg [21:29] haha [21:30] its kinda sad how my upload is like 10 times my house net's download lol [21:30] SM177Y: where in Michigan do you live ? [21:30] UP [21:30] wamaral (i=1000@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [21:30] MI tech ? [21:30] im up at NMU [21:30] no not tech [21:30] yeah [21:30] i wouldn't tunnel [21:31] right? [21:31] but... [21:31] i don't know why you want to unless you are worried about packet sniffers [21:31] mrselfpwn: exactly [21:31] sniff their packets back [21:31] what if i use another machine on the same network? would that defeat the purpose as well lol [21:31] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-5a1f672227d0cc7e) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:32] ya but how can u tell if someone is just watching ur packets, if theyre not messing with em, i (at least personnaly) dont know how to tell if someone else is watching [21:33] and since there is wifi EVERYWHERE, i use it alot on my laptop as well [21:33] mhhm [21:33] well do you scan the network often to see what clients are on? [21:33] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@114.231.18.214) joined ##slackware. [21:33] yes i do [21:33] oh hai, i am in ur tunnel, sniffin ur packetz [21:33] lol [21:34] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [21:34] it will usually be the same person who is on all the time i would think [21:34] o_O [21:34] thats not my tunnel, thats the sewer pipe :)) [21:34] lol [21:34] but people come on and off all the time, and the wifi's in the dorm building are on the same network as the lan (although the internet on the wifi isnt as fast) [21:35] ah [21:35] and there is literally hundreds of wireless routers on campus [21:35] right [21:35] so its kinda hard [21:36] i wouldn't resort to tunneling, just take precautions on your important sites [21:36] and info [21:36] its not that im worried about my own system being compromised, not in the least, i just dont like the idea that bc im on an unencrypted network, that anyone that knows anything about a computer can watch what im doing [21:36] you can't live in a cage because you think someone else is being criminal [21:36] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:36] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:36] mrselfpwn: very true [21:37] frackin nfs, caused a zombie process [21:40] dissociative (n=ubuntu@adsl190-28-152-157.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [21:41] can program binaries segfault if I try to run them from a mounted root partition while being under a livecd system? [21:41] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [21:43] anyone got dual screens? [21:44] I have a sata silicon integrated pci adapter and with a via km266 chipset mainboard and if I plug an adittional pci device to the sata adapter looks like every executable segfaults in that instance, or even some booting part of the kernel, if doesnt happen if I plug only the sata pci adapter alone. I was thinking about something like buggy dma [21:44] acidchild: yes. [21:44] do you know a way of stopping youtube etc from going out of full screen [21:44] when your clicking on other stuff [21:44] socks-tunnel everything through an off-campus pc [21:45] i have duel monitor [21:45] acidchild: Nope... i don't. [21:45] shitty. [21:45] and neither do i [21:46] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:46] also the kernel seem to segfault but seems like there are not exception handlers for that part where the kernel crashes and it just reboots, looks like a possible triple fault exception [21:48] Wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [21:49] dissociative: where is your swap space? [21:49] omg, i just tried opening up a youtube video (just to make sure it was doing the same for me) and once i clicked on full screen FF crashed. Now i have this annoying repeating noise of the video i had clicked on. Anyone have an idea of the service i'd need to restart to get this to stop? [21:49] Solixa (n=bestbuy@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:49] ps aux | grep mozilla [21:50] in the sata disk that is connected to the sata pci adapter [21:50] should give you a list [21:50] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.153.201.179.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [21:50] neverwas: nothing.. i killed everything related to firefox and mozilla. it's still going. [21:50] :( [21:50] Linux debian 2.6.18-6-sparc64 #1 Fri Dec 12 17:12:19 UTC 2008 sparc64 GNU/Linux [21:51] i dunn it [21:51] Action: Dominian slaps nullboy [21:51] lol [21:51] hey now! no slackware for sparc64 [21:51] splack [21:51] wawawhaat [21:51] splack [21:51] omfg. [21:51] splack.org [21:51] you tool! [21:51] If I try to run binaries that are in the root partition of the sata disk they all segfault, the same happens when booting the kernel but these segfaults happen randomly, it doesnt happens if I only have the pci adapter alone in the pci slot [21:52] its a bit behind.. 10.2 not sure what its based off of though [21:52] when booting linux from the sata disk [21:52] if I had a sparc64.. I'd start basing thinsg off of slackware 12.2 [21:52] If I boot from a live cd nothing weird happens [21:52] what else are you plugging into the sata [21:52] neverwas: nothing more [21:52] only a sata disk [21:53] how do you know that it doesn't seg fault when there is not a disk plugged in? [21:54] neverwas: only executables that are run from the disk segfault if there's an additional pci device plugged in the mobo [21:55] also I tried chrooting to the sata disk root partition and chroot segfaults [21:55] i would say that your sata->pci device is f'ed [21:55] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:56] neverwas: It works without any problem if the card is left alone without any other pci device [21:56] what other pci devices are you plugging in? [21:56] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [21:56] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:56] I tried with a pci modem, pci ethernet card, two different brands pci tv cards and all gave the same behavior [21:57] i should just donate this crazy server to a project [21:57] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:57] it's insanely LOUD [21:57] Ahh... so much better. [21:57] *them [21:58] I would like to fix this but I dont know how, first I have to figure out what is really happening [21:58] bah, the torrent seems to be sluggish, one iso (2) was bad md5, re-loaded it, after coming on ~400k / s in 20 min stopping at 98% after 2 rechecks now back on 85 % down, is that usual ?? [21:59] dissociative: i would say that it's the pci-sata device [21:59] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) left irc: "leaving" [22:00] but then what's really causing those segfaults? [22:00] the binaries contained in the livecds themselves can read files that only contain data in the sata disk without segfaulting [22:01] as far as I have seen [22:01] they aren't trying to page memory on and off of the sata disk, at least it doesn't seem like they would be [22:02] which really your other stuff shouldn't be either unless it only has a small amount of ram [22:02] neverwas: I didnt saw a mounted swap partition while that happened, I used grml livecd and the slackware install dvds [22:03] so your booting to grml or slackware install dvd [22:03] and I think there is only one slackware install dvd [22:03] even /bin/false segfaults: ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ /mnt/root/bin/false [22:03] Segmentation fault (core dumped) [22:03] ah [22:03] I tried with 12.1 install dvd and 12.2 and all same [22:04] what do you mean you tried? what are you trying? [22:04] ubuntu@ubuntu:~ ? [22:04] yeah [22:04] .... [22:04] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:04] no matter which linux distro is the result is all the same [22:04] bleh [22:04] Action: rob0 gets tired of non-Slackware people coming in here for help. [22:04] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:05] rob0: I have to use a ubuntu live cd to reach irc [22:05] Ubuntu -: African for "slackware is too hard" [22:05] well anyhow that's not the case [22:06] Then it sounds like you have serious hardware issues. [22:06] because now the kernel just reboots after uncompressing vmlinuz [22:06] wait.. [22:07] you're on ubuntu... and asking slackers for help? [22:07] I thought Ubuntu was the shiznit? [22:07] Dominian: no, I have slackware installed in the hdd [22:07] but It cant damn boot [22:07] er [22:08] dissociative: it sounds like you have a problem with the sata-pci or the sata drive it's self [22:08] I trying to figure out why but since days slowly [22:09] I have tried disabling acpi, passing acpi=off, pci=routeirq and that stuff and still nothing... [22:10] it's not going to help if your sata-pci and puking crazy addresses onto the bus [22:10] dissociative, what processor speed is this machine? [22:10] do you have an ide drive around to test? [22:11] TwinReverb: 1666 Mhz [22:11] No Linux is going to run on a broken machine. [22:11] dissociative, i would not pass acpi=off [22:11] in fact, if you're on ubuntu live, check dmesg and see if you notice anything [22:12] first off, unless your machine is just absolutely retarded, i would not pass acpi=off [22:12] I passed it to lilo + Slackware and it was the same with or without it [22:12] sorry to point out the obvious, but you might also wish to specify the actual root partition? [22:12] second, if this is a SATA machine, please make sure BIOS does NOT specify any compatibility mode for SATA (i.e. to make it act like it's IDE) [22:12] third, make sure BIOS says that you are using a plug'n'play compatible OS (some machines have this option in the BIOS for some reason) [22:13] neverwas: I tried it but I had to disconnect the power connector of the sata drive because I only got two molex connectors with a type Y power cable [22:13] what? [22:13] fourth, make sure that if/when you install(ed) slackware that if yours is sata, that the hard drives are NOT showing up as /dev/hdXX but as /dev/sdXX [22:13] and last, why the heck are you removing the power connectors? [22:14] lol [22:14] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:14] get an expander or something [22:14] it won't damage an SATA disk though [22:14] and make sure that your PSU wattage class matches your machine's needs [22:14] TwinReverb: it's not a SATA machine, the plug'n play OS is set to 'yes', the sata drive shows as /dev/sdX [22:14] it's not an sata machine but the sata drive shows up as /dev/sdXX ?! [22:15] that makes no sense whatsoever [22:15] TwinReverb: my psu broke and now I have to use a backup psu that only has a molex connector [22:15] Action: TwinReverb slaps forehead [22:15] uuhh [22:15] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:15] TwinReverb: I use a sata pci adapter [22:15] you can have an ATA system detect as sdX [22:15] your backup PSU may not have enough wattage to power your machine (possibility) [22:16] TwinReverb: no, the older psu was much worse that this one that I have now [22:16] nullboy, yeah but i've never seen slackware do that; only "bleeding edge" and/or "i heard a rumor that...." type distributions like fedora, mandriva, and ubuntu [22:16] it's not a rumor...any controller PATA or SATA that can use libATA will detect ATA disks as sdX [22:16] dissociative, no, i am not saying "worse" or "better", i am saying some machines / motherboards have a minimum wattage requirement (and there are websites online that will help you figure out your minimum wattage class based on what you are needing to plug into the PSU) [22:17] TwinReverb: by the way, is there a way to disable dma for the disk in lilo? [22:17] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [22:17] kestrel2 (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [22:17] kestrel1 (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [22:17] nullboy, well no, not that it's a rumor, but that i've just never seen slackware do it (but mandriva does it) on this machine [22:17] For those of you that have your own website and that pay for hosting, who do you host through? [22:17] dissociative, why? [22:17] I was thinking about if it can be a dma problem [22:17] i would't bother with that [22:17] i don't think dma applies to sata - does it? [22:17] dissociative, do you specify edd=off at boot? [22:18] try doing that [22:18] TwinReverb: no [22:18] jesus, when does Noob Hour end? [22:18] Action: TwinReverb stabs danc3 [22:18] ... [22:18] it's like...september! [22:18] heh [22:18] i've seen some machines take forever to boot if you don't specify edd=off. besides, iirc, the kernel now defaults to edd=off but i'm not sure. [22:18] the Eternal kind [22:19] lol [22:19] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Client Quit [22:19] i'm trying to use a 2.4 kernel - and this one is really acting strangely [22:19] although it's really quick [22:19] kestrel1 (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Client Quit [22:19] on my machine, if i don't specify edd=off, i have to wait like 2 minutes for any linux with a kernel of that time frame to boot. mandriva, slackware, knoppix, all require that if i want to not wait for 2-3 extra minutes [22:20] dissociative: fix your hardware problem/bios config and when you've got a stable platform, any linux including Slackware, will install properly. Until then.... run along now. [22:20] i've seen slackware run decent on a machine with broken memory (but that was years ago) [22:20] danc3: I have tried a lot of things at still no progress... [22:20] yeah, well keep trying [22:21] it isn't a slackware problem, that much is sure [22:21] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:21] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:21] yeah i'd only consider it slackware's fault if you had some obscure absolutely retarded hardwarew [22:22] at one point, anything with SiS online devices was in that class of retarded hardware with linux but it's been a while since i have used anything with their brand name on it. [22:22] dissociative: what issuse are you running into? [22:22] here we go [22:22] Action: TwinReverb is now known as neverwillbe [22:23] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.81.30.185) left irc: "É isso aí rapaziada!" [22:23] lol [22:23] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [22:23] Dominian: I think of a very weird hardware conflict or resource related [22:24] ok so now I'm wishing I was here for the beginning.. not sure what errors you are getting nor what you are trying to do [22:24] but it seems to only affect the execution of binaries loaded from the sata disk [22:24] er.. what [22:25] impossible! [22:25] what exatly do you mean execution of binaries from the sata disk? [22:25] what is it that you are trying to do? [22:26] kestrel1 (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [22:26] why are you running from livecd? [22:26] mrselfpwn: because the kernel reboots after uncompressing vmlinuz [22:26] He is booted in an Ubuntu Live CD and is trying to run bin's from a mount sata harddrive that is connected through a pci-sata converter that only works when nothing else is plugged into the pci bus [22:26] vmlinuz is the kernel [22:27] dude [22:27] that is a setup for fail [22:27] nothing else aside the sata adapter [22:27] uhhhhh wow [22:27] no offense [22:27] dissociative: does that PCI converter have a way of setting master/slave? [22:28] I'm willing to bet you're running into a master/slave issue for the converter.. and the PCI buss is flaking the kernel out somehow [22:28] so boot using the install cd/dvd kernel like linux root/dev/foo panic=5 [22:28] neverwas: someday I tried to reinstall lilo booting from the slackware 12.x install dvd and it failed the way that I told you, then I began to try with different livecds to see if there was a difference [22:28] I think someone early pointed out that NO LINUX will work on bad hardware [22:29] Does the PCI converter have a master/slave setup on it? [22:29] heheh neverwas [22:29] why should a master/slave setting make a difference if he doesn't have another sata device? [22:30] Dominian: I think so, If I plug the disk to the another sata port the device files change the name [22:30] it's all inyourmind [22:30] yeah, alright go find a $1000 digital scope and start decoding pci bus addresses until you decide that it's a hardware issue [22:30] lol [22:30] mordy: If there are other things on the same PCI bus.. its possible. [22:30] had an issue with a damn cd burner and a third hard drive I threw in to my box [22:30] how about an lspci -vvv? [22:31] Are you talking about a SATA controller PCI card with a Silicon Image chipset? They're terrible. [22:31] doesn't like a hard drive slaving off of a CD-ROm being master.. [22:31] and then a dmesg [22:31] gm152: yes... [22:31] | egrep -i "conflict|irq" [22:31] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [22:31] actually dissociative [22:31] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.153.201.179.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) left irc: Connection timed out [22:32] there is a new feature in kernel 2.6.29-rc2 that addresses that somewhat [22:32] spreads the irqs or something like that [22:33] irq balance? [22:33] not sure [22:33] i only read tidbits [22:33] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:33] though i currently have .29-rc2 installed [22:33] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:33] irq load balancing has been around for awhile, i always disable it [22:33] greetings and salutation [22:34] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:34] it's actually something different than irq_load balance [22:35] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:35] hola andarius. [22:36] well anyways, the thing i would like to make clear is that the linux kernel is being programmed on live "default" hardware. as such, they are trying to get various drivers / hardware to work as they are, not after configuration (although obviously this isn't always possible) [22:37] right [22:37] gm152: and let me guess.. via chipsets also fall in that category? [22:37] my advice: do not disable ACPI ever. especially in light of the fact that some systems can literally overheat (or have in the past) if you do. [22:37] so everything is speculative anyway [22:37] via chipsets rock. but SiS components do not. [22:37] i have a tyan tiger 230T dual p3 main board and it worked great from 2001 until present. no SiS hardware. worked great and was fast as heck. [22:38] ever is a bad recomendation. as some systems wont boot with it enabled [22:38] and i had a single socket p3 board once that had SiS hardware on it. those devices are dogs. [22:38] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [22:38] figure out what else you can do to get it to boot without acpi=off [22:38] you can try other options and pass other variables [22:38] like acpi=somethingels [22:38] e [22:38] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:39] modify and specify, sure, but don't totally shut ACPI off. there are many other options. [22:39] much less nearly everything produced after 2000 has had ACPI on it, and normally hardware that assumes ACPI is present [22:39] TwinReverb: yeah ok we get it [22:39] systems with broken implimentations are best with it off as it can cause other problems [22:39] on my laptop, i'm lucky: if i boot acpi=off, the only thing i lose is my cd drive [22:39] :( [22:39] yes, i agree, this is ACPI's fault, but linux kernel developers are working on the solution [22:40] acpi=off would only be the last resort, and only a temporary fix anyways [22:40] I have an old board from 1999 that has really broken ACPI [22:41] sadly those exist :( [22:41] the main problem i had with one machine that acpi=off fixed was due to SiS IDE controller being a royal POS [22:41] I was thinking about a broken memory map provided by E820 [22:41] but i found later that i could just specify the drive's geometry and it started working properly [22:42] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [22:42] broken memory map? [22:42] much less i found out that when i did acpi=off the drive had defaulted to a different geometry which then also prevented DMA modes and actually detected the capacity incorrectly [22:42] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Connection reset by peer [22:42] right, and twinreverb the new kernel feature has to do with device remapping [22:42] and thus it will break some distros ability to boot until they address it [22:43] still, the fault isn't linux (fwiw), it's acpi and its implementation [22:43] hardware manufacturers thinking they can improve something and they end up actually breaking it instead [22:43] It was an old P3 board, and I didn't mess with it too much [22:43] mkultra (n=mkultra@71-90-99-251.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:43] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@71-90-99-251.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [22:43] mkultra kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Hoofboy, you're annoying. Go away. [22:43] Although I had an old PPro that had a memory hole. [22:44] i've noticed that stuff with mainly intel-brand or via-brand onboard components don't have so many of these problems [22:44] dissociative: I haven't had much trouble with VIA chipsets. This mobo is populated with them and there's never been any issues with them. [22:45] yeah, i hope it was clear what i said earlier. via isn't the problem. it's their cheaper line of motherboards that include SiS, and it's SiS that is the problem with those anyways. [22:45] life lesson: don't buy motherboards at walmart :) [22:45] fight back at the man [22:46] :) [22:46] TwinReverb: Agreed, SiS is notorious for manufacturing POS chipsets. [22:46] wait, we are the man [22:47] Well, in about 13 hours we will become the USSA (United Socialist States of America). Please let the next four years pass quickly... [22:47] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:47] hahahahahaah [22:47] wow, well put [22:47] comrad [22:47] thank ya comrade [22:47] Obama isn't a socialist. [22:47] sure he is [22:47] omg [22:47] yeah, he is [22:47] He's a conservative to real socialists. [22:47] i thought he was a terrorist? [22:47] maybe he's a Marxist, I can't tell the difference [22:47] did he switch again? [22:47] isin't there a no politics rule somewhere? [22:47] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:48] hey, what's wrong with socialism? [22:48] lol [22:48] kestrel2 (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Connection timed out [22:48] Nothing except no country has gotten it right yet. [22:48] OO [22:48] Action: danc3 redistributes some of mordy's wealth [22:48] Well, not pure socialism. [22:48] man fox news always keeps me on my toes with he's a socialist no wait he is a terrorist or maybe he is a maoist [22:48] Seriously though. One of my co-workers came from Europe. [22:49] He distinctly stated that even our liberals here are hard conservatives over there. [22:49] put it this way, Democracy/Republics are the least worst [22:49] really? wow [22:49] ahh, nothing like the ol' tired 'obama will redistribute the wealth' silly argument. and wtf do you think usa has been doing for years? quit pretending that there are no gov't mandated socialistic programs [22:49] neverwas, I think the problem is that you watch FoxNews. [22:49] http://brandybuck.site40.net/pics/liberalbear.jpg [22:49] Solixa (n=Solixa@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:49] http://brandybuck.site40.net/pics/republican.jpg [22:49] lol [22:50] Motoko-chan: well it's not like you can find any other non-biased news channels out there [22:50] True, but Fox is probably one of the worst. [22:50] Well, FoxNews. [22:50] okay [22:50] Faux noise [22:50] let's get off pollitics [22:50] danc3, libertarians unite! :P [22:50] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:50] Indeed. [22:50] it doesn't matter [22:50] yeah [22:50] What about those FreeRADIUS daemons? [22:50] Action: TwinReverb dons tin foil hat [22:50] Heh, Lab_Rat. [22:51] -(:-) [22:51] at least we're not talking about freakin ACPI any more [22:51] hehehe [22:51] Could be talking about APM, danc3 [22:51] mrselfpwn [22:51] LOL [22:51] APM was practically designed broken. [22:51] mrselfpwn [22:51] anyone else in here a libertarian? :) [22:52] yes Solixa? [22:52] Action: TwinReverb knows rworkman is [22:52] lol [22:52] I got a computer so old that when I do "shutdown -h now", it does a few things, and then just says: Power Down and will sit there forever waiting for me to push the power button. [22:52] at least it halts [22:52] sort of [22:52] danc3, that can be done on a computer with ACPI. Just don't build support in the kernel. [22:52] it could sit there and incinerate its CPU for you, like a nice non-ACPI, broken-APM machine [22:52] Motoko-chan: heh, ok [22:52] Is it an AT type (as opposed to ATX) ? [22:52] mrselfpwn, [22:53] yes, AT [22:53] what?? [22:53] That explains why. [22:53] damnit, spit it out man [22:53] Try an older Slackware kernel on an ACPI-enabled computer. [22:53] any [22:53] Like around 11.0 [22:53] but it's my router, and never gets powered off, anyway... ;) [22:53] Or possibly 10.2 [22:53] Solixa (n=Solixa@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left ##slackware. [22:54] oops, wifey is calling me to bed... last chance to get some as a free man, better get after it! Laters. [22:54] Heh, danc3. [22:54] god bless America. [22:54] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [22:55] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:55] Action: Motoko-chan is bitching in #qmr [22:56] nothing like silly republican fanatics [22:56] in bed [22:56] ha-ha [22:56] [ in bed ] [22:57] ananke, lib? :D [22:57] Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. [22:57] kware [22:58] rworkman, howdy [22:58] i have a question for you [22:58] I wish the linking to libiberty weren't so broken these days ;-) [22:58] straterra: 42 [22:58] To get to the other side. [22:59] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [22:59] waffle !! [22:59] Would you consider someone telling a new user in here to install software by untaring, ./configure, make, make install... [22:59] to be bad advice? [22:59] Action: TwinReverb wishes the question was for him [23:00] straterra : maybe not 'bad', but certainly not optimal [23:00] straterra: not bad, per se, no. [23:00] hm [23:00] I think there are often better ways to do it, but there's certainly nothing *wrong* with that approach. [23:00] would calling the person out and telling them its not the best advice, then offering the advice of using/writing a slackbuild.. [23:00] bad? [23:00] dangit i hate this. hot water is out in our building. now i must walk to gym to shower. [23:01] Installing stuff the "old fashioned" way, and the resulting educational process that often occurs, is a *good* thing. [23:01] ie, theres a reason we use packages? [23:02] straterra: well, if a script already exists, probably that's decent advice. If not, then no, it's not decent advice. [23:02] I don't know the circumstances, so I'm going to be noncommittal on this. [23:02] hmm..ok [23:02] kestrel1 (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Connection timed out [23:02] One persons's rationale is not often the same as another's. [23:02] indeed [23:03] invert the order of "not" and "often" [23:03] just remember that you are always right and you will be okay [23:03] if it's on rworkman's website though, and/or alienbob's, use their packages. [23:03] saves time [23:03] or if it's on my website (which i highly doubt) [23:03] ugh oh! i have a pocket flash of tequila [23:03] flask [23:04] nice [23:04] omg [23:04] let me have [23:04] what kind? [23:04] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.15) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [23:04] does the tequila dance [23:04] straterra: have you been able to sleep since the other day when this all took place? ;) [23:04] i never sleep [23:04] nor do I [23:04] i just wanted input from people i respect more [23:04] thats all [23:05] of course, I understand. [23:05] /dev/sda1/tequila [23:05] block device as a directory ftl [23:05] this is jose cuervo especial [23:05] oh yum [23:05] ick. [23:05] you cant go wrong with cuervo [23:05] /dev/cuervo ? :) [23:05] Action: mrselfpwn does the tequila dance on his head [23:05] i prefer gold myself [23:05] good old tequila [23:06] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [23:06] Patron all the way :D [23:06] patron is way too expensive [23:06] and ive no idea why [23:06] si [23:06] its not THAT great [23:06] right [23:06] its ok..but..i dont prefer it [23:06] i would just buy a nice bottle of vodka for the price [23:07] stoli [23:07] skky [23:07] I think it's very smooth compared to any other tequila. [23:07] i like grey goose, and there is one other that is new i like as well [23:07] Sauza is also good. [23:08] the dark one that goes well with coke is good [23:08] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: Client Quit [23:08] well I'm going to swap pci cards from the slot [23:08] Greygoose is also a good smooth liquor. [23:08] brb [23:08] a little unorthodox, but good [23:08] i have this D850MV intel motherboard and it has USB boot options in the bios but it simply will not do it. no USB bootable images have ever worked on it ever [23:08] ever try bacon flavored vodka? [23:08] dissociative (n=ubuntu@adsl190-28-152-157.epm.net.co) left ##slackware. [23:08] omg no [23:08] O_o [23:08] I like bailey's..but its way too rich by itself [23:09] bacon [ in bed ] [23:09] AEnima1577 (n=asdfjkl@c-71-62-151-225.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:09] bailey's over ice or in coffee is legit [23:09] http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/midnight_sun/blog/2008/04/the_scoop_on_bacon_vodka.html [23:09] let the ice melt a bit [23:09] Ahh, birthday coffee. [23:09] it gets nice [23:09] I also try to have a little birthday in my coffee. [23:10] birthday coffee for me is an all out irish coffee [23:10] that's the best [23:10] *nod [23:10] breakfast coffee [23:10] whiskey + coffee = tew winah [23:10] well only on work days [23:10] haha, thats the only appropriate time. :D [23:10] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [23:11] just curious [23:11] s/also/always [23:11] hey [23:11] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [23:11] well, i got the farthest i could with a new kernel [23:12] Did she let you hold her hand? [23:12] ... [23:12] any one here use rdiff-backup? [23:12] is that second base in kernel land? [23:13] lol [23:13] lol [23:13] ROTFL [23:13] mordy, did it work? [23:13] i only use rsync :( [23:13] cann0n, not yet :( [23:13] i'm trying to figure out what's wrong - but at least it boots smoothyl without errors... init starts, but i guess something else is wrong.. [23:14] bleh... i might as well screw with my kernel config to get it to work with 2.6.27.8 [23:14] i'm using 2.6.28.1 [23:14] oh yeah. i forgot that is out [23:15] i never learned how to patch kernels [23:15] man patch :P [23:15] i got it from kernel.org... i also tried out a 2.4 kernel, but they all give me problems when i'm trying to mount my fs [23:15] it'd be better for my bandwidth. [23:15] :( [23:15] i compile them in a 32 bit chroot jail now... [23:15] i gave up trying to make distcc work for now [23:16] hmm [23:16] patch is really easy to use. [23:16] patch < nameofpatch.diff [23:16] Done! [23:16] hmm.. maybe i can use xdiff [23:16] eye patches are cool [23:16] or is there a better gui tool for diff [23:16] can i go from 2.6.27.7 to 2.6.8.1? [23:16] xxdiff* [23:17] kdiff! [23:17] gui :X [23:17] cann0n, when you're comparing two files, lots of colors and some eye candy help [23:17] emacs!!! [23:17] maybe [23:17] but can i skip kernels on a patch? [23:17] eys [23:18] yes [23:18] thx [23:19] how do i zcat via scp? [23:20] http://failblog.org/ really lightens the day... [23:20] lol [23:20] it does [23:20] booo dah! [23:21] lol [23:21] oh man [23:21] that wii one [23:21] hahahaah [23:21] this should be simple... gah [23:21] lol [23:21] lmao [23:21] zcat /proc/config.gz | scp .... [23:21] russian [23:21] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:22] nullboy: and..he hits the top of it like its going to fix the BIG GAPING HOLE in the TV [23:22] lol [23:22] LOL [23:22] lmao [23:22] i broke my dads plasma on accident [23:23] it was still under warranty luckily [23:23] and it was not with a wii [23:23] I got a fail for you..from my work [23:23] have you seen the guy fixing his plasma tv with a bat? [23:23] lmao no [23:23] I think it was on digg or redit a fews days back [23:23] http://downloads.fuhell.com/public/truckfail.jpg [23:24] http://i.gizmodo.com/5130030/how-to-repair-your-plasma-tv-with-a-baseball-bat-nsfw [23:24] nsfw language only [23:25] lmao, nice. a baseball bat [23:25] damn hicks [23:25] Alan_Hicks, that includes you [23:26] lol [23:26] well, he fucking fixed it didn't he? [23:26] I don't think you run into that problem, if you don't hit it with a bat in the first place..... [23:26] Putting dents in the top of your TV doesn't constitute FIXING IT! [23:26] well [23:26] it was probably a shitty plasma to begin with [23:27] thats like killing your girlfriend as a fix to the problem of having a baby! [23:27] http://failblog.org/2009/01/16/holiday-decoration-fail/ [23:27] LOL [23:27] it works yes..but..its STILL fail [23:27] well of course it is fail [23:27] we here know how to treat electronics [23:28] next time i get a segfault..I'm bringing out the chainsaw [23:28] perl? [23:28] heheh [23:31] hba (n=hba@189.188.153.147) left irc: "leaving" [23:32] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:32] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:35] /cl [23:37] denied [23:38] black lagoon [23:38] bahh [23:38] window select fail :( [23:38] haha [23:38] gah, it doesn't find my disk... what am i doing wrong? [23:39] i'm obviously missing some modules, i don't know which though [23:39] Unresolved sin in your life? [23:39] http://failblog.org/2009/01/07/ayds-commercial-fail/ This reminds me of the aids song from team america movie [23:39] it's not a fail [23:39] it's just really old [23:40] Ya, but it's still funny. [23:40] Ayds helped me lose weight! [23:40] they had a southpark about that [23:41] "Why take diet pills when you can enjoy AYDS" [23:41] LOL [23:41] AYDS lets you taste chew and enjoy [23:41] advice needed, make modules_install and make install better than the manual way? [23:41] i never used those [23:42] cann0n, make install doesnn't do what make modules_install [23:42] make install just copies your kernel to the /boot directory [23:42] make modules_install makes a /lib/modules/your-new-shiny-kernel [23:42] so i should do those then [23:43] i don't see why not [23:43] normally i just manually do it [23:43] they just copy the files AFAIK [23:43] sigh [23:44] yeah. i cant seem to compile the patched kernel [23:44] i wish i didnt have bandwidth limitations [23:45] eh to hell with it. ill stick with stock a bit longer [23:46] i don't know what to do about this though... the kernel apparently *is* finding my drive but it's mounted as read-only [23:46] just recompile the whole thing [23:46] and now i'm really stuck :( [23:47] mrselfpwn, id rather snag a fresh stable [23:47] could it be something to do with rc.modules or something like that? [23:47] i have 2.6.29-rc2 running fine [23:47] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [23:47] do i need to make an rc.modules-2..... for my new kernel too? would that solve my current problem? [23:48] yeah ill just recompile stock with my options [23:49] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeje27.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Client Quit [23:50] mordy: just make an rc.modules.local [23:51] nullboy, touch? [23:51] if you create rc.modules.local it will be used instead [23:51] that lets you keep the stock stuff totally intact [23:52] rc.S:# Priority is given first to a script named "rc.modules.local", then [23:52] nullboy: is that what is preventing the kernel froom ounting root partition as rw? [23:52] not likely [23:53] you are missing something, either disk controller, scsi disk support, or fs drivers [23:53] nullboy, it's reading fine. it's just not writing [23:53] ah [23:53] does your fstab match what the drivers detect the disks to be ? [23:53] hdX vs. sdX [23:53] yeah [23:54] what is the actual error you get? [23:54] well, fsck tries to check if the filesystem is in tact and i get "/dev/hda1" no such device [23:54] and it brings me into a bash shell [23:54] is this your own kernel? [23:54] yeah [23:54] it works with the stock kernel [23:54] are you certain you have the proper drivers setup ? [23:55] so why not use the stock kernel? [23:55] yeah the stock one works fine, but you have a modified config so who knows what is going on [23:55] stock gives me irq conflicts. this one doesn't [23:55] then you need to figure out which rootfs required driver is missing [23:56] is it an FS issue or an ide module issue? [23:56] could be either [23:56] I have a slackware dvd iso copied to a partition on a machine that I can only boot to a KNOPIX cdrom, is there a way to install Slackware from this setup? how? [23:56] hmm... [23:56] i tried just feeding Knoppiz [23:56] boot loader the slack kernel but it didn't seem to like it [23:56] mrselfpw1 (n=mrselfpw@cpe-075-176-187-163.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:56] give me some modules lol [23:57] names of generic ones [23:57] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:57] mordy: in this case, since it says no such device for hda1, my first assumption is that you have built a kernel without CONFIG_IDE and with libATA which means hda is now sda [23:57] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [23:57] nope [23:57] dunno then [23:57] mordy: wait [23:57] . [23:57] neverwas, mount the iso with the loop option and when installing tell it where to look for the packages [23:57] is this that 2.4 kernel? [23:57] no, this is 2.6 [23:58] mrselfpw1 (n=mrselfpw@cpe-075-176-187-163.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: "later" [23:58] alas, i am still here [23:58] no you're not [23:58] we can't see you [23:58] oh damn [23:59] tank-man: where is there setup bin on the slack dvd? [23:59] because i have transparency enabled [23:59] i'm gonna play quake3 [23:59] i dont know [23:59] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Tue Jan 20 2009