[00:02] ArTourter: I've found the frame rate! Eight (count 'em) eight whopping frames per second. Guess the net at MIT in those days was crowded. [00:03] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.134.185) left irc: "Leaving" [00:05] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:07] john_dee (n=id@95-29-147-75.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Client Quit [00:09] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:09] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-214-113.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:09] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:12] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-222-235.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [00:13] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [00:17] tanamo (n=tanamo@125.252.70.230) joined ##slackware. [00:17] alreadygone (i=1000@59.103.211.102) joined ##slackware. [00:21] Rossonero (n=ence@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:27] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [00:27] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-70-18-153-77.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:32] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:34] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:34] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:35] hello veryone [00:35] hello . well then how about the google phone [00:35] sshh. we're hunting wabbits. [00:35] no one is talking so [00:35] tghe google phone? [00:35] there are like 5+ [00:35] You'll not get many rabbits with shh. [00:36] Errr.. ssh. Gawd. Leavt it to me to wreck a joke. [00:36] what does the RETURN action do in iptables? [00:36] mfillpot, return [00:36] lol [00:36] The RETURN target will cause the current packet to stop traveling through the chain where it hit the rule. If it is the subchain of another chain, the packet will continue to travel through the superior chains as if nothing had happened. If the chain is the main chain, for example the INPUT chain, the packet will have the default policy taken on it. The default policy is normally set to ACCEPT, DROP or similar. [00:36] i had to type that all up [00:36] For example, let's say a packet enters the INPUT chain and then hits a rule that it matches and that tells it to --jump EXAMPLE_CHAIN. The packet will then start traversing the EXAMPLE_CHAIN, and all of a sudden it matches a specific rule which has the --jump RETURN target set. It will then jump back to the INPUT chain. Another example would be if the packet hit a --jump RETURN rule in the INPUT chain. It would then be dropped to the default policy as p [00:37] too much work, why can't packets come in and the computer ask me manually to approve or deny ? [00:37] that would be cool but then would be overloaded [00:37] ;) [00:38] Didn't Linus go through a spell of that with patches a long time ago? [00:38] jeev: ty that explains it [00:39] no prob bob [00:39] I can see how it can be useful, but not in my firewall configuration [00:40] urthwrm (n=hooch@unaffiliated/urthwrm) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:44] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:45] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) left irc: "just to eat" [00:46] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I'm done for now" [00:46] why does snort only let you to let you download the rules file for 30 days after you've created your user account [00:47] Billtoo (n=bill@bas4-unionville55-1176203279.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [00:47] or am i wrong [00:49] Billtoo (n=bill@bas4-unionville55-1176203279.dsl.bell.ca) left ##slackware. [00:50] free_fox (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:50] anyone??/ [00:50] bueller? bueller? [00:51] yea right [00:51] spider1010: did you ask at #snort ? [00:52] hey alisonkenlnoc. don't make since. ok don't try being right. even though you are, ok. I haven't done a thing. but you being right and me wrong somehow makes you wrong. somehow. [00:52] j/k [00:53] this is cpunches? [00:54] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:55] spider1010: ? [00:55] yes?? [00:56] spider1010, lay off the drugs [00:56] hey [00:56] its vodka [00:56] and its really drunk [00:56] im* [00:57] http://asset.soup.io/asset/0602/5961_357d.png [00:57] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.74.118) left irc: "Leaving" [00:59] listen here alisonkenlnoc. [00:59] shorten your name [00:59] lol [01:00] oh burrrn [01:00] too drunk to type? [01:00] Nick change: antiwire -> DrStrangeNix [01:00] lol [01:00] what?? [01:00] Nick change: DrStrangeNix -> SpamCannon [01:00] you asked me to shorten my name [01:00] k [01:00] oh [01:00] lol [01:01] so i changed out my cdrom and i still cant mount it [01:01] what are you trying to mount? [01:01] my cd drive [01:01] audio cd? data cd? blank cd? [01:01] anything [01:01] kill him [01:01] ive tried with every kind of cd [01:01] what's the error [01:02] well, i was in here takling to mcavity and we deduced that my drive was fried cause at mount /dev/cdrom it just hangs [01:02] and other times it randomly ahngs [01:03] sooo i swapped it out for a different drive, now it doesnt hang but i get mount: can't find /dev/cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab no matter what i ge [01:03] t [01:03] i mean no matter what i do [01:03] well /etc/fstab is just a reference to mount points/devices so you don't have to do the full mount command [01:04] /etc/mtab is supposed to be what's already mounted on your system [01:04] (hangover from early unix days) [01:04] cuba33ci_ (n=cuba33ci@118-160-165-32.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [01:04] did you try mounting the device directly? /dev/cdrom is typically a link to a proper device, like /dev/hdc or /dev/sdc [01:04] Axius (n=fd@92.82.73.55) joined ##slackware. [01:05] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.74.205) joined ##slackware. [01:05] it may'be a different device. may'be [01:05] ooh not today, i tried those yesterday and it hung, give me a sec [01:05] i did ls mount and tried to mount everything that related to my cdrom haha [01:05] aand yeah it didnt work [01:05] Also, Can you pastebin a current dmesg? [01:05] try putting in a cd and then "dmesg" to see what the kernel has to say [01:06] komentarze_listy (n=komentar@unaffiliated/komentarze) left irc: "leaving" [01:07] ill pastebin it all in a sec, but at the very bottom it says this... [01:07] cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize! [01:07] what kind of cd is it? [01:08] that's normal for a blank disk [01:09] So are I/o errors in dmesg, if the disk is blank [01:09] start k3b and see if it detects a blank disk [01:09] heres the pastebin http://pastebin.ca/1757085 [01:09] one sec on k3b [01:10] Looks like you are using CONFIG_IDE [01:11] When I insert a blank cd-r my dmesg shows this and the disk detects as blank in k3b http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/vovE1h72.html [01:11] coldcog: which version of slackware [01:11] 13 [01:12] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@109.78.36.193) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:13] tuxtor (n=tuxtor@unaffiliated/tuxtor) joined ##slackware. [01:13] this is an hp dv6000, the cd drive is like easily exchangeable, do you think the physical connection between the drive and the computer might be shorting? [01:13] is that reasonable? [01:14] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:14] It's always possible but that connection being the cause is unlikely. [01:14] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:15] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [01:15] well the reason i ask is, ya know the little mounted media thing in kde 4, next to your little k start menu? [01:15] Hi guys i'm researching for history of package utilities (and another package utilities). I searched for the date when installpkg was created but I'm not lucky with thad. Anyone knows where I found his source code or changelog?. Thanks [01:16] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@93.107.64.107) joined ##slackware. [01:16] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [01:16] before i switched the drives, if i put a disk in, it would sometimes pop up and tell me i have media, then disappear then pop up then disappear at random [01:17] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. 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[01:51] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:52] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.90.217) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:53] does anyone have the little desktop widget of the 3d earth or whatever [01:53] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:53] called blue marble [01:54] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [01:54] Urchlay: well, the copyright in installpkg dates from 1994 and the first changelog entry is dated March 18,1998 in the script [01:54] Axius (n=fd@92.82.73.55) left irc: "leaving" [01:55] Nick change: Kiboney -> wind [01:58] pireau_ (i=1000@208.92.18.115) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:01] coldcog, cdrom in hp dv6000? [02:01] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:01] Nick change: wind -> Kiboney [02:01] yeah its an hpdv6626us [02:03] and it's hanging? [02:04] tuxtor (n=tuxtor@unaffiliated/tuxtor) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:05] well my dad HAD an hp dv 9000 something, which our friend dropped off her top bunk lol so i stole his cdrom [02:05] coldcog, i'm not sure if we're having the same issue, but i have an hp dv 6736nr and my cdrom started shitting the bed a about a month ago [02:05] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [02:05] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:05] so i stole his cdrom and it seems to more or less ok now [02:05] hm [02:05] so yeah, maybe HP is less than top notch in quality then? [02:06] i have another friend who has an hp like something dv 9000 i think, and her monitor fell off [02:06] Well on mine, every process that accesses the cdrom goes into IO zombie mode and can't be killed [02:07] i ended up having to compile cdrom support out of my kernel to avoid it taking over things [02:07] i dont know about that, i pasted a dmsg paste a bit ago but didnt look into it too much [02:07] crap that doesnt sound found, as is thats a little above my skill level i think... [02:07] sound fun* haha weird [02:10] hiptobecubic: how long have you had yours? before it started shitting? [02:11] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.74.205) left irc: "Leaving" [02:11] maybe two years? [02:12] maybe almost three, i'm not entirely sure [02:12] mines an hp pavilion dv6636nr little over 2yrs old no probs with anything so far [02:12] ive had mine just over a year now [02:12] Rat409, lucky [02:12] it seems yes [02:12] rat409: i compute hard :p [02:12] coldcog, taking the cdrom out of the kernel wasn't hard really. have you compiled a kernel before? [02:13] yuh i know what you mean [02:13] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:13] no i have not, im still half retarded, i only switched from ubnoobtu like 2 weeks ago :p [02:13] coldcog, same path i took :) [02:13] that is like 2nd or 3rd on my list of things to do though [02:14] alienBOB has a good wiki article that walks you through it. It's great [02:14] just google "alien slackware kernel" and it will be the top one i think [02:14] yeah i like slack much better, but im glad ubuntu is there, i think slack would be a bit much for alot of people to start with [02:14] especially coming straight from M$ [02:14] yes [02:15] i actually have that bookmarked :) i flipped through it and was gonna read it fully once i got done reading the slackbook again [02:15] I was enjoying ubuntu, but i got tired of not being able to change anything without breaking their delicate (but functional) system setup [02:16] haha yeah [02:16] SpamCannon (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "Bored by the chore of saving face." [02:16] well the reason i switched was i encrypted my home folder and forgot about it and changed my password before i unwrapped my key haha [02:17] so i was like hmmm maybe its time to try something new since i have to start over anyway.. [02:17] :D [02:17] i went to log back in and was like "oh crap" lol [02:17] hehe [02:17] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:17] i haven't actually done anything with encryption yet. [02:17] macavity (n=macavity@212088073004.static.sonofon.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:17] i suppose i should learn how before i start needing it [02:18] well i didnt do alot, other than check, "require my password to log in and decrypt my home folder" during installationg [02:18] packeteer (n=zed@203.36.227.227) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:18] coldcog, ohh right. ubuntu has that automated now [02:18] i forgot [02:18] 8.04 was my first and last ubuntu [02:19] brag it up :p [02:19] i went all the way to current haha [02:19] lol hardly [02:19] it was new when i used it [02:19] at least im on the right track now though [02:20] i wont lie i really like the distro, but im ready for more [02:20] i don't know. I wouldnt say that ubuntu is the 'wrong track'. It's just not the one that takes me where I want to go [02:20] yeah i agree [02:20] suse however, i feel is on the wrong track lol [02:20] haha [02:21] suse was the first linux ever saw running [02:21] i don't remember which version it was... 6 maybe? I was pretty young. I hated it [02:21] suse was the first i ever used [02:21] i couldnt do anything on that system without breaking something else [02:22] i didn't try. I hated kde right from the start and didn't give it another chance :D Immediately went back to play Age of Empires and let me dad fiddle around with his suse cds [02:22] playing*.. my* [02:22] lol [02:23] coldcog: if it's an hp laptop, the one I have seems to have heat issues when running [02:23] man that game is the only reason i have a dual boot right now.. lol [02:23] ive never had heat issues so far... [02:23] this is actually the coolest running laptop ive used recently [02:23] I have to make sure that I have an airflow gap by putting the back of the laptop up on something so there's airflow under neath it [02:24] ut (n=toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:24] yeah i always do that out of habit, but if i dont it doesnt seem to mind... [02:25] hiptobecubic: whats the url for alienbobs kernel compilation that you have? [02:25] i cant seem to find where mine went.. [02:26] hld on [02:27] haha the song im listening to is saying "hold on" over and over, funny [02:28] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [02:28] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [02:32] alisonken1noc: calling it a laptop is probably illegal... you can't actually use it on your lap (or maybe you can, but you've melted all your possible future children...) [02:32] ut (n=toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:33] lol [02:33] "portable forced-airflow heating unit" might be a more accurate description of mine :) [02:34] Urchlay: in my case, what future children? :) [02:34] we fixed that after the last one [02:35] well, too much heat is also bad for your two best friends [02:35] (and I don't mean the ones back in the Winnebago!) [02:35] coldcog, http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding [02:35] i'm off. night all [02:35] you could duct tape one of those cool mats to the bottom of it [02:35] i think the more frankenstein your system looks the more serious people think you are :p [02:36] thanks have a good one [02:36] I think that too, but the last office job I had, the boss thought otherwise [02:36] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: "For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint." [02:36] lol [02:37] I like being able to see the fan and vents on the front of the case, instead of having a stupid molded piece of plastic covering it all [02:37] dang conforming suits! [02:37] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [02:37] the realization I've come to is, each & every one of those suit-wearing conformists... actually believes that all the rules/conventions/etc are their own ideas [02:38] dErFz (n=derf@pwnflakes.lobbyzffs.com) left irc: Excess Flood [02:39] (either through stupidity or because they've convinced themselves) [02:39] how important is it to use "largefile" or "largefile4" profiles to format a data drive that will be holding music and movies (large files) rather than just use defaults that are mainly good for disks with lots of small files? [02:39] dErFz (n=derf@pwnflakes.lobbyzffs.com) joined ##slackware. [02:40] foobarz: is that something that's new with ext4? [02:40] wow thats a sad though... [02:40] thought** [02:40] Urchlay: it is something you can choose now on ext3... I don't know about ext4 (not used it) [02:42] hm. I never used the 13.0 installer (circuitously upgraded from slamd64 12.1 to slackware64), so my ext3 filesystems are all whatever the default is. The one that stores ginormous video files seems to perform fine [02:43] i used 13 but ext 4 [02:43] actually I did use the 13.0 (32-bit) installer for the first time last week, I noticed ext4 was the default fs. Weird. [02:44] is ext4 not good? [02:44] it should be up to speed now [02:44] maybe it's fine now. I know some people in here used to have issues with it (mostly data loss on power outage) [02:45] oooh no good [02:45] it's just odd that the newer, less-well-tested option was the default (e.g. reiserfs was never the default) [02:45] yeah that makes alot of sense [02:46] i havnt noticed anything strange with mine so far... [02:46] actually, reiserfs *was* the default at one point [02:46] Urchlay: i think reiserfs was default at one point. not entirely sure thou [02:46] ah ^ [02:46] macavity: hm, really? Must have been one of the versions I skipped [02:46] in 11.0 it was [02:46] ah, OK. Never ran 11.0 here [02:47] probably wouldn't be running 13.0 yet except I really wanted to mess with 64-bit native slackware [02:48] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:48] we need a new "Powered by Slackware64" logo image [02:48] (slamd64 12.x was great, but it always left me vaguely feeling like a traitor for not running The Real Thing :) [02:48] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [02:49] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:49] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [02:49] Urchlay: hehe, you too eh? :P [02:50] Urchlay: it _was_ the real thing - unofficially endorsed by pat even [02:51] dartmouth (n=dartmout@72.95.99.15) left irc: "Leaving" [02:52] madbear_ (n=dude@c83-253-152-125.bredband.comhem.se) left ##slackware. [02:55] yeah, I know [02:56] however - I'm glad pat finally saw the direction the train was going [02:57] alreadygone (i=1000@59.103.211.102) left irc: "Leaving" [02:57] psYcker (n=psy@201.156.108.196) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:57] fraktil (n=fraktil@96.248.224.241) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:57] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [02:58] alisonken1noc: the lilo boot image isn't enough? [02:59] Camereade_Tux: no - propaganda graphic for webpages running slack64 [02:59] one thing that really did bug me about running slamd64: if there was a script on slackbuilds.org that needed a slight modification to work on slamd64, and the mod didn't hurt anything on 32-bit slackware, it still wouldn't get accepted because "slamd64 isn't slackware" [03:00] alisonken1noc: just display the server uptime :P [03:00] that policy does make sense, and I wouldn't argue with it... but it did drive me about half insane at times [03:00] http://connie.slackware.com/~msimons/slackware/grfx/shared/slackware-amd-blue.jpg <-- like this one [03:00] well - that policy is what kept slackware what it is [03:00] yeah [03:00] and yes - I agree with you about it :) [03:01] no [03:01] the slackware logo needs to have breasts in them [03:01] a few times I did manage to get them to insert a comment # This script will not work on slamd64 [03:01] preferably women's breasts, not the average slacker's breasts. [03:01] Camerade_Tux: like 23:52:18 up 34 days, 20:12, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 [03:02] my test box I'm setting up for another slack miror [03:02] which is nice (it saved someone else the annoyance of finding out the hard way that it wouldn't work) [03:02] alisonken1noc: http://www.darryl.com/vi.shtml [03:02] hah [03:02] there was a "powered-by" button generator but I can't find it anymore [03:02] good one (vi powered) [03:03] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [03:04] I want a "vi powered" bumper sticker [03:04] but, eh, if I had all the bumper stickers I've ever said I wanted, you wouldn't be able to tell what color my car is, from behind... [03:05] so why limit bumper stickers to just the bumper? [03:05] besides, it helps save on waxing [03:05] cause I need to occasionally see out the rear window? [03:05] well, there are laws about glass and stickers ... [03:06] didymo (n=ashley@131.203.102.171) joined ##slackware. [03:06] waxing? I seriously wonder sometimes if any actual humans ever wax their cars, it seems so alien to me... [03:06] I know car wax exists (I've been shot in the face with a stream of it, at a car wash) [03:10] cars dont really need wax since like 1950 or something do they? [03:10] modern paint... [03:10] didn't know cars actually used to need wax [03:10] makes sense I guess [03:10] it's not modern paint, it's the modern clearcoat over the paint [03:11] it seems like i read something about it once, like it used to keep the paint from fading or from peeling or something? [03:11] alisonken1noc: haha either way :p [03:12] yeah - wax and clearcoat are designed to let the paint stay reasonably shiny and not peeling [03:12] same kind of debate as whether or not expensive oil is worth it or if brand name batteries last longer haha [03:13] brand-name batteries give you the warranty - that's about it [03:13] expensive oil is fine if you're a travelling salesman, otherwise just change oil every 3-4K miles [03:14] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:14] s/travelling salesman/someone who drives 50k+ miles per year/ [03:14] I found out once that no, leaking and replacing a quart every 600+ miles, doesn't count as changing your oil every 3000 miles... [03:15] ienh (n=ienh@ARennes-257-1-26-85.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:15] i use full synthetic cause i have like $3000 worth of engine work done and the possibility of it working better is worth and extra 2 bucks a qt to me [03:16] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-22.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:16] sahk0 (n=grbzks@188.4.193.136.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:16] so about those 64 bit processors eh? lol [03:19] well, mine doesn't leak any fluids, smoke, or make any grinding noises, so I guess it's fine :) [03:19] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [03:19] i wish i could say the same for my expensive pos... haha [03:20] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [03:20] i dropped my drive line umm 3 days ago [03:20] hardly oil related i guess... [03:21] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:22] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [03:24] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [03:29] i want the computer mr stark has on iron man [03:30] would be nice [03:30] glenj (n=glen@67.237.233.71) joined ##slackware. [03:30] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) joined ##slackware. [03:30] its all holographic and stuff [03:31] didymo (n=ashley@131.203.102.171) left irc: "ttfn" [03:31] the one on swordfish is pretty cool too [03:31] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) left irc: "leaving" [03:32] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) left irc: "=" [03:35] alisonken1noc: http://kalsey.com/tools/buttonmaker/ ! [03:36] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [03:37] hmm - doesn't let you size the image or change fonts or much of anything other than text and background coloer [03:38] would slackware 32bit work on a 64 bit intel? [03:38] oh yes [03:38] thats what i am running [03:39] that is, unless you are talking about Intel Itanium (which you are not), as they ar IA64 rather than x86_64 [03:39] haha indeed i am not [03:40] x86_64 is backwareds compatible with x86 [03:40] fully, and at no speed penalty [03:40] personally i am running slackware 32 on a core2 duo T7400 [03:41] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:41] would there be any benefit to you having 64 instead? [03:41] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [03:41] I've got slackware-13 and slackware64-13 running on their respective machines [03:41] at least the ones I control [03:43] do you notice any more speed on your 64bit? [03:43] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:43] in some apps, yes [03:43] depends on the apps [03:43] how much ram do you have? [03:43] and how much ram you have/use [03:43] i have 4 gig [03:43] go for 64bit ;-) [03:44] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [03:44] it also helps when you start adding those 1T drives [03:44] boot sectors are normally 512B files... on new drives with 4096B sectors, is there anything to be concerned about? can the boot sector bootloader now able to be 4096B on those drives (like wd "advanced format" drives)? [03:44] yeah im on it now, just curious about the actual benefits i may have [03:44] i have a 1tb external drive [03:45] on my slackware server at the office, unfortunately the hardware craps out at >750G sata drives [03:46] brbrbr (n=Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [03:46] aw [03:46] which is too bad, since I have some spare 1.5T drives here :) [03:47] i was looking at this like 2 tb drive the other day [03:47] lets see if i can find it again [03:48] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@80-123-49-202.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [03:48] here it is http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=9373103&cat=21&lpid= [03:48] i was going to read about it to see if it was crap or not [03:49] alisonken1noc: you can send me your drives ;-) [03:49] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [03:49] http://www.nextag.com/Western-Digital-Caviar-Green-644671188/prices-html [03:50] Camerade_Tux: would like to, but they're pegged for the 8-bay servers :) [03:50] ='( [03:50] and the 36-bay raid servers [03:51] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [03:51] castle` (n=wIRCer@99-11-196-244.lightspeed.clmboh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:53] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-22.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [03:56] castle` (n=wIRCer@99-11-196-244.lightspeed.clmboh.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [03:59] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [04:01] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [04:01] GoodMorningen ;) [04:08] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.94.129) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:10] yo The-Croupier [04:10] alisonken1noc: howdy...hows it going? [04:11] another fun night of cleaning up after a weekend of brute force ssh DDOS's [04:11] ? [04:11] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:11] is it that bad out there? [04:11] http://www.dreamhoststatus.com/2010/01/17/connection-issues-affecting-servers/ [04:13] i dont get it, whats the point? [04:14] some people don't have a point when it comes to ddos'ing a site/place [04:15] people? it may be bots [04:15] however it's someone behind controlling the bots [04:16] is it really even that entertaining? [04:20] alreadygone (i=1000@59.103.195.248) joined ##slackware. [04:21] when you can DDoS someone into non-existence, yes [04:24] yeah - as entertaining as my brother's ex trying to get the courts to have him pay child support for kids she had from someone else after they were divorced [04:24] you say that until you're offline 8-) [04:25] lol [04:26] Action: Delahunt sets fire to coldcog "ok now you're not cold" [04:26] hey thanks!' [04:28] now he's 'hotcog' how is that better? [04:28] actually not so much [04:29] i was reading a book, which talks about types of cognition, hot cognition meaning a thought process controlled by emotional feeling and cold cognition is a thought process that is actually thought about [04:31] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_cognition [04:31] what's the name of the book? who wrote it? [04:31] its called deep survival, who lives who dies and why [04:31] http://www.deepsurvival.com/ [04:32] pretty interesting bits of information [04:32] oh *now* I get it... when you said "actually not so much" [04:33] haha [04:33] yeah women, for instance are usually "hotter" [04:33] :p [04:33] reacting on emotions [04:34] if my wife is any indication, I can believe it [04:34] lol [04:34] its a very scary thing [04:34] not scary... It's kind of fun [04:35] i guess... lol [04:35] :) [04:36] hey im like what? 23 i think? not married yet, but still plenty terrified enough!! [04:37] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-222-235.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:38] I think it's better to marry a hotcog then to marry a vegetable ... [04:38] i can agree with that [04:39] unless it's a VeggieTale [04:39] lol that might be its own type of fun... [04:39] zecafig (n=zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) joined ##slackware. [04:40] Action: alreadygone is Googling VeggieTale [04:41] giuppy (n=giuppy@host92-126-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:43] alreadygone: if you get a chance id highly recommend that book [04:44] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-211-63.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [04:45] giuppy (n=giuppy@host194-172-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:45] thanks I've already bookmarked it... :) but first I need to read this: Malcolm Gladwell - Outliers [04:46] https://bigidea.com/index.aspx <-- Veggie Tales homepage [04:46] thanks alisonken1home [04:56] alisson (n=alisson@187.40.101.103) joined ##slackware. [05:01] for info: where would one read cases of ssh-attacks etc...but in detail and how to fight back? [05:02] fatherx (i=1000@abraham.sh.cvut.cz) joined ##slackware. [05:03] google? [05:04] i would think the first defense would be to control who has access to the ssh server ports by at least country (i.e. if everyone requiring access to ssh is in the states, block everyone but the states, etc) [05:05] (unless you have people who travel but then you can play with that "on the fly" i would think [05:05] that doesn't really do anything [05:05] ) [05:05] given how easy it is to get a shell account in the states [05:05] block the free shell account servers too [05:05] you say it really doesn't do anything but i know at least two people who do it already [05:05] Not just free; and it's not like there's a creliable complete list of them [05:06] also "zombies" [05:06] people do it therefore it must be effective? :p [05:06] just because there is no truly perfect defense doesn't mean we lay down our arms and surrender 8-) [05:06] it does something, even if it doesn't do everything [05:06] it's a lot of effort to get a reasonable list of suitable addresses for that approach, it's going to be horribly incomplete, and it doesn't actually help much [05:07] from a cost-benefit POV, it's not worth it IMO. [05:08] with the added bonus of if you start getting travellers, all of that effort will have been for absolutely nothing, instead of just practically nothing. [05:08] or you could go into further controls [05:08] ip blocking based on gps-signalled login fobs [05:08] heh [05:08] or whatever those thingies are called [05:09] or just run john-the-ripper against your passwords every so often, and make your system block any IP that repeatedly tries incorrect passwords [05:09] well that too (duh) [05:09] i was assuming people already enforced strong passwords [05:09] why run ssh if the passwords are weak? 8-) [05:09] so, what does the IP restriction get you? just a quieter log file? :p [05:10] disable passwords and only allow ssh key logins [05:10] it makes sense to block out those who should not be in [05:10] you could also do that [05:10] that's what the authentication in ssh is for. [05:10] i'll be dead honest, i already have plenty of firewall rules that cover traffic that should not exist [05:10] except when the ssh key is missing, default ssh allows user login with password [05:10] (mainly Xmas tree scans, attempts at ping of death, etc, random nuissances) [05:11] are you sure there's not an option for that? i would think there is [05:11] yes there is [05:11] i thought it was PasswordLogins=no or something [05:12] http://la-samhna.de/library/brutessh.html [05:12] the point is brute force nature [05:12] at least to me [05:12] if you're going to just sit and wait for the passwords to be guessed, oh well [05:13] there's john the ripper, but there are other proactive things that can be done [05:13] I _think_ it's the "IdentitiesOnly" option [05:13] there are, such as the ones suggested in that document, which are much more effective than IP limiting :p [05:14] but there is also a "PasswordAuthentication" option as well [05:14] Action: fred returns to work [05:15] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:15] (especially when said limiting allows entire countries, not just specific known IPs of remote users) [05:16] but no method of protection is without its downsides [05:16] still, if you have no users in (for example) north korea it makes sense to block north korea from ssh [05:16] koriel (n=koriel@dcipher.static.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:16] or maybe it is simpler to use an allow rather than deny scheme [05:16] hi all, I have a server with hardware raid and configured with 3 disks in raid 5 and 1 disk with no raid...I start slackware installation..and when boots I can see the devices sda to sdd where sdd is my no raid disk and sda sdb sdc is my raid 5 disks..wasn't it supposed to find one virtual disk of all three? [05:17] it has been pointed out that some countries have users who do nefarious stuff like that [05:18] combining several imperfect methods of defense into an all-encompassing approach may be worth it if you close yourself off to 99% of the problem [05:18] Delahunt, of course it is. I thought that was always the Golden Rule. Even better when you combine Allowed IPs with keys, if you must use passwords, set lockout to be half an hour, 3 attempts.. [05:18] you can also move the port which stops most the automated attacks of worms and such [05:19] koriel: dd is your friend. [05:20] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:20] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) joined ##slackware. [05:20] koriel, advise you take a look at your hardware RAID manufacturer's website for info. [05:21] I'm off to physio, but I leave you with this (JPG, sfw): http://tinyurl.com/kt6v9f [05:21] hey what are those digital keychains with the code on them that refreshes every once in a while? [05:22] cmeow (i=cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) left irc: "Meow, meOUT!" [05:24] init[1] (i=buffer@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net" [05:25] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@80-123-49-202.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:25] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-148-153.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [05:25] init[1] (i=buffer@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [05:25] Nick change: init[1] -> Guest25072 [05:25] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [05:25] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:25] cmeow (i=cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [05:26] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.24.161) joined ##slackware. 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[05:33] sirslacker (n=sirslack@tmo-098-178.customers.d1-online.com) left irc: "things that now seem to be vital, tomorrow will be important only and in a few days, just the memories! so don't worry, I wil [05:33] gutts_ (n=gutts@213.162.50.61) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:33] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:34] Guest25072 (i=buffer@support.team.at.shellium.org) left irc: Client Quit [05:34] "Dear Member of craigslist [05:34] Our team has recently made security updates on craigslist website and you need to confirm again [05:34] your account details by clicking the link below: https://accounts.craigslist.org" [05:35] vas ist das? [05:35] the interesting part is the link actually goes to "http://metrolicetreatment.com/files/37468554.html" [05:35] read the website name carefully [05:35] im not sure if i intend to click on it yet... lol [05:36] I wouldn't - but read the link target name carefully :) [05:36] yeah what on earth is that? [05:36] Metro Lice Treatment [05:36] lol yeah [05:36] but.. [05:36] i cant say im less confused... [05:36] lol [05:36] don't know, but I haven't had lice since some turkey brought lice back to the ship and put his laundry in the general washing bag [05:37] haha! [05:37] damn the luck... [05:37] it's saying that my account on craigslist is restricted - but the link is for Metro Lice Treatment [05:37] yeah i dont know, that seems like a strange re-direct there haha [05:37] just another phishing attempt [05:38] gotta be pretty creative to make those i guess [05:38] they didn't even try to obfuscate their link [05:38] how much of a demand is there really for lice treatment? [05:39] depends on which country you live in or your ship decides to visit - especially a navy ship after being at sea for 3 consecutive months [05:39] it almost seems more clever to be like, i dont know, claim your free ipod/laptop/flatscreen tv/porsche etc... haha [05:40] or your new Nexus One [05:40] I'm surprised I haven't seen more phishing with that one [05:40] because of course your the 100,000,000th visitor! every time you visit! yayy! [05:41] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [05:42] init[1] (i=buffer@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [05:42] Nick change: init[1] -> Guest58410 [05:43] cmeow_ (i=cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [05:50] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.114.34) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:51] re-l (n=re-l@c-98-197-118-188.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:53] gtludwig (n=gtl@150.162.165.43) joined ##slackware. [05:57] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.109.107) joined ##slackware. [06:00] morning all [06:00] linXea (n=slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:02] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:02] Nick change: Rossonero -> Bobby [06:03] good morning! [06:05] cmeow (i=cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:07] giuppy (n=giuppy@host194-172-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:10] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) joined ##slackware. [06:14] anyone know a good program to securely erase partition on linux ? [06:14] boot from cd/dvd then dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdX [06:14] about 3 or 4 times [06:14] ah, thanks :) [06:15] change /dev/sdX to your real drive [06:15] hey speaking of that has anyone ever used Dban? [06:15] yes. [06:15] notice: that will do your entire drive. if you just want a partition, then point of= ot the partition [06:15] coldcog: err, i was referring to alisonken1noc [06:15] lol [06:16] alisonken1noc: it's best to to use /dev/zero [06:16] so theres no options for specific partitions? [06:16] MoZes: why ? [06:16] MoZes: possibly, if you follow up with mixed /dev/ones or something like that [06:17] coldcog: specify partition rather than drive [06:17] what if /dev/urandom, then /dev/zero then /dev/urandom. Is this better ? [06:17] of course [06:18] as long as the pattern is random and multiple passes [06:18] i mean for dban [06:18] if anyone has used it ha [06:18] don't know about dban [06:18] eh just curious [06:19] coldcog: it's not updated anymore it seems. Last x86 released was at 2006. [06:20] wow really?? i wonder if something took its place [06:21] anavel: I was looking to find where I read that -- I read some data recovery information a while back that said if a disk had been dd'd with /dev/zero then there's no chance for them to recover data [06:21] I can't think of a reason myself why it'd be best to use zero or random, unless some how you end up writing identification to the disc *due* to the random data coming from your machine [06:22] but I don't know much about that - that's purely a guess. [06:22] using /dev/zero is fine for general cleanliness, but if someone wants to and has the resources, they can reconstruct if you only /dev/zero and only one pass [06:23] military spec is multiple passes using different patters [06:23] patterns [06:23] that is - if you want to reuse the disk. if not, then something like multiple passes with a 20lb sledge are recommended [06:24] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.109.218) joined ##slackware. [06:25] the 'has resources' and 'wants' has never been proven [06:25] that you know of :) [06:25] and that's why i don't claim that somebody can do it [06:26] it's why I don't claim it's impossible to do it [06:26] general paranoia is fine, but ability to recover data after a single pass of zeros has yet been seen [06:27] another question, is it possible to re-construct original partition table after the partition has ben changed several times. [06:27] *the partition table [06:28] in theory, all /dev/zero does is write 0. with a fine-grain control, it's theoretically possible to detect the variations in the magnetic portions of iron oxide layer [06:28] anavel: yes, if the filesystems haven't changed [06:28] ananke: i see. [06:29] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [06:29] anavel: 'gpart' utility can scan your disk in search of filesystem and reconstruct partition table based on that [06:30] ananke: i tried testdisk to get the partition information, then re-construct it via fdisk based on the cylinder. But i failed to access it. [06:31] try gpart [06:32] will do. [06:32] thanks :) [06:33] good luck [06:34] ohh, and if you want to use dd to wipe your drive, make sure to set the block size to be a bit larger than the default 512 bytes [06:35] dd if=/dev/zero of=/your/drive bs=8K for example. that will be much faster than the default [06:36] Nick change: zecafig -> zecareuniao [06:40] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@71.104.236.81) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:41] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@71.104.236.81) joined ##slackware. [06:42] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [06:45] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. 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[07:17] <|Slacker|> I guess so [07:17] <|Slacker|> see [07:17] then disable it and do its job manually in /etc/acpi/acpi_handler.sh [07:17] is your user part of the power group [07:17] <|Slacker|> when it's running on batteries, I close the lid and it hibernates, ok, so far so good [07:17] <|Slacker|> but when I turn it on again it gets slow [07:18] it may have quirks that make it slow [07:18] i don't even bother with hibernate [07:18] i use only suspend to ram [07:19] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) joined ##slackware. [07:19] <|Slacker|> I tried different configs, even suspending to ram makes my system slow [07:20] what graphics card? [07:20] <|Slacker|> intel [07:20] fatherx (i=1000@abraham.sh.cvut.cz) left irc: "Leaving" [07:20] <|Slacker|> it's a netbook [07:20] <|Slacker|> with intel chipset [07:20] ssd? [07:20] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:20] <|Slacker|> and it only happens if I run it on batteries if I suspend or hibernate it on AC power everything is ok [07:21] atom processor? [07:21] <|Slacker|> yep [07:21] <|Slacker|> Linux solace 2.6.29.6-smp #2 SMP Mon Dec 7 16:02:16 CST 2009 i686 Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [07:23] ah N270 [07:23] is it slow right now? [07:23] <|Slacker|> nope [07:23] when it's slow, check your CPUFreq state [07:24] cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor [07:24] cat /proc/cpuinfo [07:24] when it's slow [07:24] <|Slacker|> ok [07:24] if the frequency is way low then it got set to powersave probably [07:24] still, i do that stuff via xfce's power manager and i have no complaints [07:24] but in theory you don't need either, you can set to "ondemand" and have it auto-scale at all times based on load [07:25] <|Slacker|> seems handy [07:25] you can do most everything in /etc/acpi/acpi_handler.sh [07:26] set laptop mode, set hard drive parameters, etc [07:26] i had mine rather scriptastic [07:26] <|Slacker|> hmm..ok [07:26] alisonken1noc: ugh.. users! [07:26] set laptop mode, dirty_writeback_centisecs, CPUFreq governor, hard drive power saving, the works [07:26] alisonken1noc: ive set the network up crorrectly with priv IPs etc [07:27] Nick change: Bobby -> Chessware [07:27] and the wifi shows as connected.. so ti ought to be working. surprise surprise it isnt [07:27] hello all [07:27] alisson (n=alisson@187.40.101.103) left irc: "Chester Cheeta uses t7DS. Ayeuhayueuhayueuh!   [www.t7ds.com.br]" [07:28] the lovely atom N270 [07:28] Action: Delahunt hugs his laptop though it's not come in the mail yet [07:29] the ONLY thing i wish my netbook had was a PCI Express card slot [07:29] <|Slacker|> Delahunt, hhehee [07:29] well and an 8GB ssd rather than 4GB but i'll upgrade it probably [07:29] <|Slacker|> ok..I'll just test here...gonna run on battery and close the lid and then see what happens [07:31] <|Slacker|> yeah...it's slow now [07:32] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [07:33] <|Slacker|> hmmm...now it's back to normal [07:33] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:33] <|Slacker|> I think setting up "on demand" solve it [07:33] <|Slacker|> s/solve/solved [07:34] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:35] you told it to use on demand? or you told kde power manager to do it? [07:35] <|Slacker|> kde power manager [07:35] Action: Delahunt sets ondemand to be the default for the kernel anyways [07:35] |Slacker|, ok cool [07:35] if it works, it works 8-) [07:35] <|Slacker|> yep [07:35] Action: Delahunt is getting excited about his N270 netbook [07:36] if the 4gb ssd is not soldered in (i hope it's not), a kingston ssd upgrade is definitely on the horizon [07:36] much less a 2gb ram upgrade is already in the mail too [07:36] <|Slacker|> mine has a 250gb hd [07:36] yeah you have a mechanical hard drive (which i prefer) [07:37] but i wanted under 10" [07:37] <|Slacker|> hmm...mine is 10" [07:37] yeah 10" and above seem to come with mechanical hard drives [07:37] anyways, g'night [07:37] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [07:37] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. [07:38] kloeri (i=kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri) joined ##slackware. [07:39] Zordrak: including the routes? 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[08:29] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-22-143.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:30] dive: this is for an updated snapshot, not for the original version? [08:31] I've tried both [08:31] I have not had any issue in the past, using USE_PATENTS="YES" [08:31] I don't suppose there's a separate libavutils package? [08:31] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [08:32] No, mplayer has an internal copy of ffmpeg which also has this header file [08:32] the file definitely isn't there in mplayer source [08:32] Hm [08:33] ./libavutil/pixfmt.h:32:32: error: libavutil/avconfig.h: No such file or directory [08:34] dive: do you have ffmpeg installed separately (from SBo or elsewhere?) [08:34] I'm expermenting with the DO_PATENTED options to see if I can find the one that does it [08:34] alienBOB, yeah SBo package I think [08:34] let me check on it [08:34] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:35] ffmpeg-20081105-i486-2_SBo [08:35] i just rebuilt mplayer recently, and used the 20100110 snapshot and it built fine with USE_PATENTS=YES [08:36] now mplayer does that too? someone should make a pirated version of mplayer that ignores patent and copywrite issues [08:37] no, Slackware does that not mplayer [08:37] it's the slackbuild script. [08:37] ah, ok, whew you had me worried mplayer started listening to the corporates [08:38] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) left ##slackware. [08:38] xine has removed ffmpeg from 1.1.17 though. dont know if its related [08:38] xine-lib* [08:38] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. [08:38] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) left ##slackware. [08:39] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [08:40] yep - fortune, it's not just for cli [08:40] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:40] allend (n=allend@CPE-58-165-20-139.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:40] Nick change: zecareuniao -> zecafig [08:40] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:41] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:42] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.187.101.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:42] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [08:46] gutts_ (n=gutts@213.162.50.61) joined ##slackware. [08:49] removing ffmpeg didn't help [08:50] will try 20100110 snapshot [08:51] guax (n=guax@201.47.74.147) joined ##slackware. [08:52] I have a slackbuild that builds SVN trunk of mplayer, and I just built it OK with PATENTED=yes too [08:53] thrice`, that's the official SB? [08:54] it does checkout SVN for me but baulks at that missing file [08:54] paissad_ (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:56] Nick change: zecafig -> zecalmoco [08:59] not, not the official SB - slightly tweaked [09:00] who hasn't had their jimmy dean breakfast this morning...:(? [09:01] mplayer's trunk was broken all of last week, but should work as of 2 days ago or so [09:02] I have built mplayer many times from source but never had problems before [09:02] saxa (n=sasa@host242-95-static.223-217-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:02] /usr/libexec/slackpkg/core-functions.sh: /sbin/upgradepkg: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory [09:02] ?? [09:02] saxa, did you select a 32-bit mirror on a 64-bit system? [09:03] may be an idea grab an older source and take avconfig.h out of it [09:03] thrice`: heh, i think i selected a 32bit one thx [09:03] even not tought about that [09:04] that's usually the first indication :) [09:05] gutts_ (n=gutts@213.162.50.61) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:08] now the problem is -su: /sbin/upgradepkg: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory [09:08] i cant upgradepkg anymore [09:08] is there a way to fix that ? [09:08] just untar the slackpkg in / ? [09:09] or probably reinstall the pkgtools ? [09:11] saxa, you might have upgraded bash? [09:11] paissad (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:12] otis (n=otisspud@ip70-176-201-168.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:15] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Client Quit [09:16] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [09:16] Guest58410 (i=buffer@support.team.at.shellium.org) left ##slackware. [09:16] thrice`: yup, thats whats going on [09:16] huh [09:16] downloading it again now [09:16] init[1] (i=buffer@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [09:17] well, not much you can do except upgrading back. might be easiest to boot the 64-bit DVD, but it's up to you :) [09:17] alreadygone (i=1000@59.103.212.176) left irc: "Leaving" [09:18] will try to reboot now [09:18] I would boot the dvd, then mount the drive and untar slackware64/a/bash package (what I ended up doing) [09:19] i dont know why it downloaded and tried to upgrade bash from testing [09:19] or if it's a clean install, just reinstall with formatting option [09:19] why? upgradepkg has a -root flag :) [09:19] because upgradepkg requires bash - which is what he hosed? [09:19] ah - yes, there's that as well [09:20] is there a way to solve that with that one shell i have running ? [09:20] saxa: I've slackpkg upgraded from 13.0 to -current with no problems (on both slack and slack64) - as long as the mirrors are set correctly :) [09:20] yes - mount the dvd and installpkg the correct bas [09:20] bash [09:20] as long as that's the only package that you've hosed [09:20] alisonken1noc: i know slackpkg works, i used it many times [09:21] not really, you need bash to use slackpkg [09:21] only error i did, was to uncomment the 32bit mirror instead of the 64 one [09:21] and if the system can't use or understand the bash you have installed, you need an environment that it can [09:21] thrice`: i untarred the old bash over [09:22] so probably just rebooting should be ok [09:22] and remove /install directory when finished [09:22] already did it [09:22] anyway, that slackpkg mirrors file is too full of mirrors and no structure at all [09:22] that confused me [09:23] and i uncommented the wrong one [09:23] anyway thanks to all [09:23] been there done that :) [09:24] petaflot (n=dave@85-218-19-131.dclient.lsne.ch) joined ##slackware. [09:24] I think it should set ARCH and use that in the URL's [09:24] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:24] yeah thats a good idea [09:24] hey! I have a suggestion to make: add /usr/local/share/man to MANPATH [09:24] tell PiterPunk [09:24] and maybe even check ARCH if possible with uname, to avoid this kind of mistake (which happens every-so-often), as it's kinda critical [09:25] petaflot: you can set MANPATH to anything in your own enviroment [09:25] Axius (n=fd@92.84.27.112) joined ##slackware. [09:26] sahk0: well I suppose I can. I just did. but I also suppose it would be good to have this by default [09:26] s0d0 (n=sod@host86-175-233-136.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:26] not everyone needs a MANPATH that doesnt make sense. and defaults should do that [09:27] (make sense) [09:27] eugene (n=eugene@redhat/eugene) joined ##slackware. [09:27] shyko (n=shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: "bora!" [09:27] how can you say that it doens't make sense? if you install the slightliest program from source you can be almost sure the man page wll be there [09:27] eugene (n=eugene@redhat/eugene) left ##slackware. [09:27] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) joined ##slackware. [09:28] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-177-160.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:28] saxa (n=sasa@host242-95-static.223-217-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware. [09:28] even if for some odd reason you dont use a SlackBuild and prefix to /usr (which is outside my sphere of imagination) and install to /usr/local, Slackware doesnt use /usr/share prefixes for documentation including man pages [09:30] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:30] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-25-170.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:31] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:32] and /usr/local/man is already in the default PATH [09:33] sahk0: I don't use slackbuilds because finding them is such a pain in the ass [09:34] writing them makes sure you can install the same application more than once [09:34] with the same options etc [09:34] petaflot: try slackbuilds.org or alienBOBs repo? [09:35] slackbuilds.org yes, and since I've been using slackware, I must have found one out of 4 or so [09:35] didn't know about alienBOB [09:37] Now you know [09:38] and knowledge is power! [09:38] GI JOOOOEEEE [09:38] talking about that, is there a way to include git repositories as packages? [09:40] mornin all [09:40] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:41] you mean create a package from a git repository? using a SlackBuild its very easy, but a bit more complex than building a regular package cause you have to checkout the repo first [09:42] im not sure if theres any examples at slackbuilds.org though [09:42] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [09:43] sahk0: exactly. kernel for example. I don't want to download the full sources everytime, or apply all the subsequent patches when I can just do dit fetch git pull [09:43] and if you call this complex.. than everything is complex [09:43] ^than^then [09:44] i didnt say it was just complex. but more complex than something else [09:44] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-25-207.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:44] more complex than wget baseURI/software-whats-the-latest-version? [09:44] riht [09:44] right [09:44] petaflot: dominian setup a repo for sources, if you wanted to simplify things you could zip up a snapshot of the repo use that as the source link. [09:46] spook: and what exactly is dominian? [09:46] a vengeful bloodlust freenode ircop [09:46] more important, where can I find it? [09:47] Dominian: you are being summoned. [09:47] petaflot: he, finds you. [09:47] I use a git repo in my slackbuilds, sometimes [09:47] what are you guys on about? [09:47] example: http://pastebin.ca/1757481 [09:47] it was originally setup for sources that disappear from their project hosts when they are too old. [09:47] otis_ (n=otisspud@166.205.10.99) joined ##slackware. [09:47] petaflot: Dominian is a person, he is here in this channel. [09:48] petaflot: you will need to gather the following things before he will visit. Two baby seals, one banana, ducktape, and handcuffs. [09:49] and a frozen eel to sacrifice the baby seals with [09:49] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [09:49] Who said anything about a sacrifice? :P [09:51] didn't know what an eel was until now. don't know if seals are good to eat either [09:51] YZ (n=Yan@89-179-1-79.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:52] (we might as well make the sacrifice useful) [09:54] wow things got kinda weird in here since i stopped paying attention... [09:54] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [09:54] that's why you should NEVER stop paying attention [09:56] else you'll end up like me, not realizing people are making fun of you before it's too late [09:58] thrice`: thanks for you example [09:58] I was hoping there already was some sort of standard way to use repositories [09:59] Action: Dominian is summoned [09:59] Action: dive quakes [09:59] I'am also surprised you do something like rm -rf $PKG [10:00] that's pretty standard in slackbuilds [10:00] what am I missing spook ? [10:00] Dominian: are you some kind of wizard or am I mistaken? [10:00] petaflot: read the slackbuilds.org documentation (faq, howto etc) [10:00] I was supposed to find baby seals for you, this will be hard though [10:01] well it's a good job the mplayer SB from SBo 12.2 works or I'd be lost right now [10:01] Action: Dominian waves his wand [10:01] petaflot: http://slackbuilds.slackadelic.com [10:01] read the info in there and then ping me :) [10:02] if people are making fun of you its already kinda too late :p [10:02] wlurw (n=wlurw@g229051062.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:05] Dominian: I read the readme.. now what does it have to do with using repositories (git or other) as the source for packages? [10:05] Axius (n=fd@92.84.27.112) left irc: "leaving" [10:05] otis (n=otisspud@ip70-176-201-168.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:05] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:06] koriel (n=koriel@dcipher.static.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving." [10:06] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Client Quit [10:06] petaflot: no idea, ask the slackbuilds guys [10:06] afaik they want a fixed a package version [10:06] er.. a fixed package version [10:07] ribbit [10:07] though you can make git get a specific revision. [10:07] Dominian: ok sorry something went wrong and we're definitely not talking about the same thing [10:07] john_dee (n=id@95-29-15-224.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:08] Axius (n=fd@92.84.27.112) joined ##slackware. [10:08] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:09] petaflot: yep.. I didn't scroll up [10:10] otis_ (n=otisspud@166.205.10.99) left irc: Client Quit [10:10] Action: thumbs blames Dominoman [10:11] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:12] is there a way to detect and stop vpn connections from inside and outside my network ? [10:13] Sure [10:13] Well..inside your network. You don't control outside of your network [10:13] Chessware: what actual problem are you trying to solve? [10:13] You need to block PPTP and IPSEC...oh..and some deep packet filtering to make sure someone isn't using an SSL tunnel [10:13] That might prove difficult to use SSL at all though [10:14] ananke, I wont that my clients use vpn connections that's it [10:14] basically its a massive dick move to pull. [10:15] Chessware: 'wont' is not a word [10:15] straterra, ok so how can I do that in ipatables for example [10:15] you what? [10:15] ipatables? [10:15] also ssh [10:15] you're going to have exceptions [10:15] You want to block ssh too? [10:15] i'd say using vlans for those who are filtered and those who arent. [10:16] straterra, no just vpn [10:16] You can make a very restrictive outbound policy that only allows communication to say..port 80 [10:16] straterra, as you said Ipsec l2tp [10:16] you might have to disable ssh port forwarding i mean [10:16] Chessware: is this in a corporate setting? [10:16] You need something that can do deep packet filtering [10:16] straterra, blocking by port number is not enough, they can change port configuration any time [10:17] spook, yes of course [10:17] slackguru (n=trimmer@71.213.235.63) left irc: "Haha, you quit!" [10:17] And you're going to have to block SSL entirely [10:17] you should probably ban fun and kittens while you're at it [10:17] straterra, just Ipsec and L2tp at least [10:17] that leaves openvpn [10:17] straterra, yes no ssl vpn [10:17] The only way to enforce that is to block ALL SSL [10:18] That's the point of SSL [10:18] Chessware: basically, you have to block ALL or none, because any half measure isnt going to work. [10:18] if you dont control all the inside hosts you'd have to watch for sshvpn also [10:18] it's always interesting to see network being handled by inexperienced folks, and their attempts at policing it [10:18] straterra, and you think that ipsec procotols will be affected too ? [10:18] Not from SSL blocking [10:18] the easiest way is drafting a new corporate computer use guideline and having people sign it. [10:18] You'll have to block ipsec [10:18] But..this is the completely wrong way to do it [10:18] You are way in over your head on this [10:19] doomed [10:19] I have tested L7filter at first but it doesn't work for vpn connections, I was able to block ssh [10:20] Chessware: if you havent got corporate approval to do this, you're liable for lawsuit, being fired, etc [10:20] so I am looking for an alternative [10:20] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [10:20] spook, no it's the corporate who told me to do that [10:20] http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communications/0,1000000085,39994507,00.htm [10:20] straterra: hahaha you nailed it. [10:20] straterra: in over his head. [10:20] they want to filter every packets even encrypted :s [10:20] Chessware: have 'the corporate' create a policy [10:21] the have them deal with people who get caught violating it [10:21] ananke: what i suggested 3 minutes ago :) [10:21] Chessware: how large is this network? how many nodes? [10:21] spook: i know, i'm trying to drive that point home :) [10:22] If the stuff on your network is so damned important that you can't allow your employees to do anything on the net without big brothering them, then you should just not allow them on the internet. [10:22] ananke, less than 100 without counting wireless hosts [10:22] Chessware: you're between a rock and a bigger rock [10:23] corporate is trying to do it the wrong way because they dont understand networking, and from the sound of it this also applies to you. [10:23] rworkman, I know but I am just an executer :S it wasn't my decision ! [10:24] Chessware: I understand, but that's a discussion you need to have with them. They're asking you to do something that's far from trivial. [10:24] Chessware: there were some people in the late 30s and early 40s who used that same argument, they still got tried for warcrimes. [10:24] get a whole other network and put all the important shit on that one and only give important people access to it lol [10:24] RaNdY (i=randy@rats.run.the.shell.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [10:24] httptunnel too :D [10:25] They need to spend some money and simplify your life - look into Bluecoat. [10:25] and with that gem, I'm afk. :) [10:25] or do it the opposite: let people have free access to the network, but limit internet and sensitive hosts to vpn [10:26] spook: i do think you just bumped into a goodwin law [10:26] that's what I used to do [10:26] ananke: i tried to skirt around it. [10:26] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [10:26] Nick change: zecalmoco -> zecafig [10:26] coldcog, yes I almost did it with proxy authentication.. I divided important from normal users [10:26] rworkman: ping [10:26] rworkman, ok thanks [10:27] Chessware: what exactly this 'corporate' is trying to achieve via this restriction? again, what problem is being solved? [10:27] an invented one [10:28] Axius (n=fd@92.84.27.112) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:28] ananke, as I said they want to know about every traffic from and to the network [10:28] ananke, and encrypted traffic like vpn must be dropped [10:28] Chessware: _wanting to know_ and _blocking it_ are not the same things [10:28] Chessware: where is the network admin? [10:29] thumbs: lol :P [10:29] thumbs, sorry I have to ignore you ! [10:29] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-25-101.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:30] Chessware: but you still haven't answered my question. you keep telling me what you/they want to do, but not what it's supposed to accomplish [10:30] haha. [10:30] Chessware: because hes right, no doubt [10:30] Action: spook waits for the ragequit [10:31] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:31] ananke, blocking vpn connections [10:31] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-25-170.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:32] again, that's not the ultimate goal [10:32] ienh (n=ienh@ARennes-257-1-26-85.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "leaving" [10:32] ananke: circles [10:32] ananke, sorry I don't care about their aim ! what I have to answer is this question : how to avoid vpn connections in my network [10:33] unfortunately, your lack of caring translates in our lack of caring [10:33] s/in/to [10:34] best way to avoid vpn connections is to pull the plug on the network [10:35] Chessware: the solution is to make internet access so restrictive that all the users will end up complaining. [10:35] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:35] ananke: but but, that's not what they do in movies! :o [10:35] maximizing complains is the goal of large corporations... [10:36] rworkman: slackbuilds.org q for you when you got a few [10:37] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [10:37] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) joined ##slackware. [10:37] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [10:37] blocking all 'encrypted traffic' would mean no ssl. in which case, mind as well allow outgoing traffic only via your web proxy, with a white list of sites that can be visited [10:38] basically, its going to mean 100 times more work for you [10:38] try telling staff that they cannot do internet banking! [10:39] or login to websites using ssl [10:40] such restrictive network policies in a corporate environment are a good indication of an unhealthy environment [10:40] hurray ignorance! [10:42] I thought ignorance was bliss? [10:43] ananke, I really appreciate your help ! but I got an issue here ! what if a person use the same port number of http, use it for a vpn connections ! I think that the proxy will allow this connections too, No ? [10:43] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: "Leaving" [10:44] Anyone use tweetdesck on slackware? [10:44] chess: nope [10:44] gar0t0: no [10:44] unless its one of those vpn-over-http dealies [10:44] Chessware: that's why i said: you use a white list of sites that this proxy can connect to [10:45] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [10:45] peyo (n=chatzill@rps2867.ovh.net) joined ##slackware. [10:46] ananke, ok you think that squid with a redirector like squidguard for example can do help ? [10:46] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) left ##slackware. [10:47] Chessware: considering you're unable to answer the original question, i can't say yes or no [10:48] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [10:49] Action: thumbs pities the company that depends on Chessware for IT support. [10:49] thumbs, how old are you ? [10:49] dive: I have found the problem with the MPlayer script I think [10:50] Chessware: I fail to see the relevance of that comment in this discussion. [10:50] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:51] alienBOB, ah great [10:51] alienBOB, I have gone back to 12.2 from SBo for now [10:51] Action: alisonken1home still learns from people here that are more than 1/2 his age [10:51] Chessware: the only reason I can type this text is that I 'abuse' my proxy/firewall and connect a ssh client to port 443 where an external ssh server is listening... and I have to spoof the "UserAgent" string too [10:52] do you guys feel like listening to techno while your computing makes you smarter? [10:52] What a crock [10:52] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:52] coldcog: 'our computing' [10:52] ? [10:52] i think cold beer and barbecue pork makes you smarter [10:52] while your computing [10:53] coldcog: whose computing? [10:53] uh, yeah [10:53] you [10:53] anyone [10:53] lol [10:53] coldcog: mine? [10:53] no mine [10:53] lol [10:53] whilst you are computing and listening to techno, do you feel more adept at computing? [10:54] adrenaline (n=repsol@tuxhacker/adrenaline) joined ##slackware. [10:54] ananke, ok ! look what we want to achieve is this : controlling every packets that pass throughout the network more than that using a time machine program that record all the connections of a user.. the aim is for example I want to know what mister X did last monday beetwen 12 and 13:00.. [10:55] know it or control it? [10:55] coldcog, both [10:55] aw i seee [10:55] that's a hell of a lot of packets - how big is your hdd? [10:55] hire someone to smack them with a ruler when they do to a site you dont want them to [10:56] until now we achieved 80 % of our aim. no we have to avoid encrypted connections [10:56] for ssh it's done, for tor too... now we are looking to block vpn connections [10:57] i'm just gonna throw this final comment out there then give up completely on you. Chessware, you and your manager(s) would really benefit from some networking education. because what you're talking about doing is silly. [10:57] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:57] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [11:00] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [11:00] spook, ok, it's your opinion but it can't answer my issues ! now let other talking [11:01] PhotoJim (n=jim@adelaide.ip6.photojim.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:01] when its an opinion shared by most of the channel, it becomes less of an opinion and more of a fact. [11:02] _abc_ (n=no@unaffiliated/ccbbaa) joined ##slackware. [11:02] <_abc_> hello [11:02] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left irc: "Leaving." [11:02] hi! [11:02] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [11:02] <_abc_> how does slackware behave when using vlan tags ? (802.1q) ? [11:02] alienBOB, sorry but what you say seems hard to understand, it's normal for me because it comes from a big one like Mr Hameleers :) [11:03] YZ (n=Yan@89-179-1-79.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Client Quit [11:03] _abc_: behave? [11:03] <_abc_> i have a problem in that i have eth0 and eth0.1 on a 13.0 box and the 802.1q tags disappear. example: ping 10.10.1.2 (from eth0.2 which is 10.10.1.1) shows on tcpdump -e -i eth0 that there is no 802.1q tag ?! [11:03] _abc_: the same as all distros that use a recent enough kernel i would venture. [11:03] _abc_: are we talking router vlan tags or host vlan tags? [11:04] <_abc_> host vlan tags [11:04] <_abc_> this is on the box itself [11:04] Chessware: alienBOB's point was that any setup with a minimum of internet access can still be gotten through by a knowledgable user. [11:04] <_abc_> i tried all 4 possible combinations, and i have determined that my tcpdump version (4.0.0 from 13.0) is recent enough to know about vlan tags [11:04] <_abc_> any ideas where to look ? [11:05] allend, thank you friend ! now I understand! [11:05] wlurw (n=wlurw@g229051062.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Client Quit [11:06] How can I know which one in /dev is my inserted thumb drive?. I am using "dmesg" for now. Is there any other appropriate way of doing this? [11:06] lechiffre: lsscsi [11:06] Reaver (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [11:06] lsusb? [11:06] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:06] dmesg | tail is easiest :> [11:07] ananke thanks. [11:07] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [11:07] alisonken1home: wont help him find the device node [11:07] or will it...? [11:07] alisonken1home lsusb is not there it seems. [11:07] check the device against the udev devices? [11:08] thanks guys. [11:08] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-lhwjnsjivpkefubb) joined ##slackware. [11:08] that'll be $200 [11:09] spook since when did you became a doctor? [11:09] alienBOB: tried ajaxterm or anyterm btw? they're terminals, in ajax (anyterm better), not perfect but quite nice [11:09] :p [11:09] lechiffre: :) [11:09] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:11] lechiffre: another alternative 'ls -l /dev/disk/by-id' [11:13] PhotoJim (n=jim@adelaide.ip6.photojim.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:15] Camarade_Tux: [11:15] allend (n=allend@CPE-58-165-20-139.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [11:17] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: "leaving" [11:18] petaflot: yes? [11:20] thanks allend [11:22] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-423037.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:22] In Kde's Session Manager there is an option to start with an manually saved session. How do I manually save a session? [11:23] good questoin, I looked fo rthat too [11:23] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:23] couldnt find it in slackware or opensuse [11:23] in session management, set "Load saved session only", them when you click the kmenu-> leave option, you'll also see a "save session' option [11:23] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [11:25] cliff notes: system settings -> advanced -> session manager -> restore manually saved sessions [11:25] kmenu -> leave -> save session [11:26] alisonken1home but I don't have a save session in "kmenu->leave". All I've got is restart,shut down,log out, suspend to ram/disk,lock,switch user [11:26] lechiffre: you missed the first step: kmenu -> system settings -> advanced -> session manager -> restore manually saved sessions [11:26] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.87.221.128) joined ##slackware. [11:28] alisonken1home thanks. :) [11:28] np [11:28] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.159) joined ##slackware. [11:28] hello guys [11:29] i want louder alsa... :\ [11:29] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:29] then speak louder [11:29] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.109.107) left irc: "Leaving" [11:29] alsa is only the driver interface [11:29] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:30] i know, i have visited some forums, people complain about sound is louder in windows than in linux [11:31] pupit: man mplayer search for volume [11:31] gnubien: thats only for mplayer, right? [11:32] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.109.107) joined ##slackware. [11:32] pupit, kmix, alsamixer? [11:33] shyko (n=shyko@187.39.216.162) joined ##slackware. [11:33] dive, they are all maxed [11:33] setting the volume in mplayer with / and * changes it globally for me [11:33] unmuted. [11:33] pupit: http://www.thedigitalmachine.net/alsaequal.html Alsaequal uses the Eq CAPS LADSPA Plugin [11:33] pupit: really? mine has always been louder in linux... [11:33] pupit: is the source simply too low? [11:33] pupit: you changed alsmixer right? [11:33] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.87.221.128) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:34] and as gnubien said, in mplayer's manpage, look for volume [11:34] Camarade_Tux: it is not too low, it is not loud as in windows. when i want it realy loud its like on 50 % in windows.. [11:35] (hint: -af for audio filters and see gain but it decreases quality) [11:35] so when everything is up all the way its still too quite? [11:35] coldcog: yes [11:35] pupit: that doesn't mean much actually, you can't really compare [11:35] pupit: what bitrate and depth? [11:35] pupit: using headphones? [11:36] Display Power Management on my laptop is working sometimes only. I had set "display power off" to 5 minutes. Sometimes this doesn't work. Is there a way to manually power off the display alone in a laptop? [11:37] IrquiM (n=irquim@176.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:37] ardya, dont know specific bitrate nor depth. Camarade_Tux, no headphones [11:38] does anyone know how to turn off crossfading in amarok 2.1.1? it skips every other song and i believe crossfading to be the culprit [11:38] IrquiM (n=irquim@176.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [11:38] i'll check the man mplayer, see if that answers me... [11:38] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.87.221.128) joined ##slackware. [11:38] de si srbo [11:38] alsa defaults to 48KHz sample rate (if the card supports it) [11:40] ardya: will do my best to inspect this behavior of my card.. [11:41] also, does your linux driver lack feature support that exists in windows, like input or output gain? [11:41] crn_ (n=crn@mail.netunix.com) got netsplit. [11:41] jeev (n=email@unaffiliated/jeev) got netsplit. 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[11:42] freenode is going on [11:42] net split [11:43] lechiffre: welcome to irc, you must be new here [11:43] lindbohm.freenode.net had a problem and disconnected from freenode [11:44] hmm okay. [11:44] Not really an expert user. But I've been using IRC for sometime now. [11:44] lechiffre, you'll see it from time to time ;) [11:44] srbo: no. lindbohm.freenode.net is the server you're on. netsplits arent displayed the same way on freenode as they are on, say, efnet [11:44] zux (n=zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:44] crn_ (n=crn@mail.netunix.com) returned to ##slackware. [11:44] only the server you are connected to is displayed. [11:45] ardya, ah ok, didn't know that. Thx [11:45] dunno if that will change with ircd-seven at the end of the month [11:45] I just learned it myself [11:46] panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) returned to ##slackware. [11:47] Snewp (i=slacker@cpe-69-203-220-240.nyc.res.rr.com) got lost in the net-split. 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[11:50] are those networks they have in like hotels and whatever, the ones that show up as unsecured, but when you conenct to them your browser routes you to a page where you have to pay or wahtever, are those ad-hoc networks? [11:50] no. [11:50] but you can use those to get net by this complicated dns arrangement [11:50] what are they? i have been curious about those for a while... [11:50] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) joined ##slackware. [11:51] they are normal access points that use dns hijacking. [11:51] they are probably free if you are a customer of the hotel/motel, i am sure they arrange for you to get access but freeloaders are not allowed [11:51] yeah [11:52] Pig_Pen: lemme see if i can find a link to the dns thing i'm talking about [11:52] im just curious how they can be secure if you can connect to them [11:52] coldcog: they arent secure. [11:52] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: "me dont know what this means >>> ???" [11:52] it seems like if your connected there would be an easy way to somehow spoof it into thinking you have access [11:52] secure as defined by "encrypted wireless connection" similar in concept to https [11:52] you have to pay to use the internet on them. [11:52] cause its not like wep or wpa or anything [11:52] oobe (n=satan@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [11:53] however anything you transmit over them on plain http, is open to anyone to pick up [11:53] hot spot - I believe chilispot is one such wireless ap setup [11:53] ardya: i think that can be an issue, lack of output gain like in Win [11:53] i was at a friends over the holidays and there was one there, it was this one... http://halo.manti.com/ [11:53] made me curious... [11:54] coldcog: they can still be open (connection wise) and secure (encrypted) [11:54] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-17-145.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:54] i see [11:54] But wouldn't it be easy to bypass that dns hijacking? May be a dumb question but never thought about it before [11:54] no - because the hijacking is done at the access point - kinda hard to get around [11:55] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-154-77.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:55] Yes, its possible to get the net without paying [11:55] but its complicated. [11:55] and requires you to have setup a box elsewhere to proxy your net through [11:55] but you are technically connected, it seems like there should be some way to get around the encryption and be able to send and recieve [11:55] let me find this thing i'm talking about. [11:56] oh, ok... i thought maybe it is done by mac-adress, would be easier then to get by... I should read a little about it, sounds interesting [11:56] you obviously had to already for them to display their register page in your browser [11:56] dermoth (n=dermoth@205.151.111.9) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:57] Srbo: yeah i believe its done on mac address at the proxy server. [11:57] coldcog: you ARE connected. [11:57] coldcog: however any traffic gets caught and pointed to that register page [11:57] spook: yeah thats the part that confuses me :p [11:58] how does it differentiate between computers that are allowed to send/recieve and ones that get re-directed? [11:58] nvision (n=nvision@g225054001.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:59] ienh (n=ienh@ARennes-353-1-31-134.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:59] does it like log your mac once you register or something? [11:59] macaddress/ipaddress take your pick [11:59] adds them to a table of clients with something indicating whether they are allowed to access the net [11:59] if it was IP wouldnt it be super easy to spoof? [11:59] just start guessing local IP's for the area [12:00] look at chilispot [12:00] if it was a combination it would not be as easy [12:00] ooh true story [12:00] it bothers me not knowing how stuff works :p [12:01] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:01] kpr (n=kpr@unaffiliated/kpr) joined ##slackware. [12:01] coldcog: thats good. feed that feeling and investigate things, find out, question, research [12:01] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [12:01] spook: im afraid thats why i hardly ever get to sleep once im onto something :) [12:02] like last night for instance [12:02] get used to it, coldcog [12:02] coldcog: why do you think i only go to bed when the sun comes up? [12:02] :P [12:02] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [12:02] Srbo: that seems like giving up :p [12:03] coldcog: get used to the not sleeping [12:03] yea, that was what i meant [12:03] sleep? what's sleep? [12:03] i'have red about those wifi connections, u have to input your username and password...telekom in serbia uses those wifi parameters for its users... [12:04] so theoretically those could be more secure than say WEP [12:04] mhm [12:04] my shows are more secure than wep [12:04] since a shoebox is more secure than wep [12:04] shoes even [12:04] lol [12:04] pupit, i'm on a connection like that right now. but don't want to try too much, so they don't throw me out :D [12:05] ooh spoof your mac real quick and see if ou get disconnected [12:05] chillispot is dead, look at pepperspot instead [12:05] srbo, well they probably already know who you are... knock!! knock!!! [12:05] peyo (n=chatzill@rps2867.ovh.net) left ##slackware. [12:06] @sourceforge? [12:06] http://pepperspot.sourceforge.net/ [12:06] create your own, then beat it [12:06] lol [12:07] hahaha [12:07] good ideaaa [12:07] im going to need another 12 pack of mtn dew [12:08] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-25-101.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:09] http://michaelcoates.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/hotspot-web-browsing-over-dns/ [12:09] thats one way to beat them [12:11] oooh nice :) [12:11] spook: you are really into this :) [12:11] no. [12:11] i just have a fair working knowledge of almost everything [12:12] spook: you are my role model [12:12] pffftttt [12:12] you dont want me as a role model [12:13] lol hell id even settle for a poor to slight working knowledge of almost everything [12:13] ok maybe not poor... [12:13] shit that interests me or i hear about, i go read up a bit on it. [12:14] how is it with the speed with tunneling through dns? it is a big difference to the "normal" way, isn't it? [12:14] yeah i feel like i cant fill my head full of information fast enough [12:14] matu (n=matu@client80-83-42-195.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [12:15] Srbo: you are proxying through another machine, so you have the loss of speed through encapsulation inside dns, plus the latency from the hotspot to your remote machine plus normal latency from the remote machine to the website [12:15] you'll probably double or triple your latency, but you wont pay any money to browse [12:16] like huge DNS packets aren't gonna look suspicious [12:16] i guess that would work if you just HAD to check your myspace immediately :p [12:16] i will give it a try, since i'm using internet the way we talked about... but thats not something for everycay use i think :D but im willing to pay for my internet :D [12:16] goarilla: of course they are, if you want to be sneaky you fragment your packet and encapsulate less data per packet [12:17] but i doubt anything like this is monitored [12:17] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:17] spook: oh, its monitored. ;) [12:17] the money they bring in from naive customers is enough that they will be unlikely to care about the few freeloaders [12:17] the legality is dubious. [12:18] and a huge number of dns requests to a specific DNS server is not gonna look suspicious :D [12:18] goarilla: i dont know many people that use lots of different dns servers. [12:18] they dont care for freeloaders, they do care for intrusions.. [12:18] and if the dns server doesnt do EDNS.. [12:18] goarilla: also, collect some stats on dns requests while you're browsing the net, then talk to me about dns volumes [12:18] if they do port based filtering why not just run ssh at port 53 and tunnel yourself to your home pc [12:19] ssh doesnt listen on udp :) [12:19] because ssh is a different protocol to dns, and its packets are marked as such [12:19] i said if they do port based filtering [12:19] the filtering is done on protocol, not port. [12:19] sirslacker (n=sirslack@tmo-104-186.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [12:19] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:19] port filtering is extremely naive and pointless [12:20] iptables does it [12:20] :D [12:20] iptables is hardly the end all to be all in forewalls [12:20] zecafig (n=zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) left irc: "POF!" [12:20] im out [12:20] iptables does port based firewalling, if you tell it to [12:20] or even foreplay [12:20] offcourse not but do you really think mcdonalds is gonna use a firebox or something like that [12:21] of course they will [12:21] ardya: iptables is extremely good. pretty much everything linux based is just a front end to netfilter/iptables [12:21] they have the resources [12:21] ++spook; [12:21] yeah right [12:21] x-ip (n=sakura@unaffiliated/x-ip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:21] Further, iptables speaks to the way that I think about firewalls. It is very intuitively easy to understand. [12:21] goarilla: they probably have some proprietary box that they buy from another company, and probably pay them a retainer to keep it working [12:22] could be could be [12:22] no way in hell they hire an inside network admin tho [12:22] not for the location, but probably in the district [12:22] its probably one contracted admin, for all the stores in a city. [12:22] sirslcaker_ (n=sirslack@tmo-100-218.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [12:22] sirslacker| (n=sirslack@tmo-100-218.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [12:22] and they almost certainly do all their work remotely. [12:23] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [12:23] its in their best interest to build a robust product so they can get the money without having to spend any time [12:23] and spook tell me how you are gonna put all the pictures on a modern site in dns replies without making HUGE volumes of dns requests especially if you're gonna have small DNS packets [12:23] true [12:24] it is gonna be noticed [12:24] goarilla: i didnt say it isnt suspicious or going to be extremely obvious what you're doing [12:24] i doubt it [12:24] deep trafic analysis is extremebely expencive CPU and memory wise [12:24] but it will get around the automated system and give you free internet. [12:24] jeev (n=email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [12:24] they don't need to go that deep [12:24] macavity: it would ring bells on any IDS that monitors dns traffic [12:25] they need to go deep enough to think about actually *counting* your DNS requests [12:25] which i find unlikely [12:25] as some sites trigger an avalanche of those (ad farms/crap net) [12:25] macavity: nah i'd say it'd show up as large volume, large sized dns packets from a single pc, probably trip a few DoS alarms. [12:26] sure, and that taken into account, so when BIGGER spikes occur.. [12:26] but the purpose of doing it isnt to go undetected, its to get you free internet. [12:26] spook: i honnestly doubt they will check it for established connections [12:26] :) i like tha [12:27] no way to know for sure [12:27] but assuming ignorance on the networks part isnt a great idea :) [12:27] there is a way to find out though :P [12:27] exactly :) [12:27] which package has libqt-mt? [12:27] kpr (n=kpr@unaffiliated/kpr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:28] nyRednek: its a symlink [12:28] qt? [12:28] nyRednek: grep for it in /var/log/scripts/ [12:28] yes, Qt :P [12:28] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:28] shouldn't ldconfig set up the libname.so.1 and libname.so ? [12:28] wait.. Qt3 at that [12:29] yeah i'm on 12.0 [12:29] nyRednek: no results. [12:29] ldconfig doesnt create links [12:29] goarilla: no, ldconfig only caches [12:29] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [12:30] then i have misread a few shared libraries how they work pages [12:30] ardya: i am fairly certain that ldconfig creates /etc/ld.so.cache [12:30] Reaver (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) left ##slackware. [12:30] sure, but thats not a link :) [12:30] sorry, misread [12:30] sirslcaker_ (n=sirslack@tmo-100-218.customers.d1-online.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:30] that's pretty cool tho that you can parse the symlink creation of packages [12:31] goarilla: it is a common misconception... see the wording in the beginning of ldconfig(8) [12:31] anything else anyone is curious about? [12:31] ok, i forgot to run ldconfig after installing the kde3-compat qt [12:32] so the man page needs updating [12:32] spook: yes, why are some of by buggars green, while others are like yellowish? [12:32] heheheheh [12:32] goarilla: s/updating/correction/ [12:32] macavity: what? [12:32] spook: sure...the format and structure for creatoin of a local slackware repository [12:32] goarilla: as in, it is not wrong what it says.. people just read "links" as "symbolic links" [12:32] he's talking about his nosegold spook [12:33] goarilla: which is obviously a PEBCAK [12:33] ardya: http://spooksoftware.com/slackware/ [12:33] aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah [12:33] so its links in the cache [12:33] ardya: look at update.sh [12:33] thaNKS [12:33] name > path/lib [12:33] Action: macavity observes that goarilla just dinged [12:34] dinged* ? [12:34] hmmm, thats just a script [12:34] level up'ed [12:34] hahahaha :D [12:34] ardya: it is indeed. [12:34] I was looking for docs/ex-labnation of dir structure, fiel reqs [12:34] explanation [12:35] ardya: all slackware repos are the same. [12:35] does anyone know a source that i can get libxine1-codec from? [12:35] official repos that is [12:35] I dont doubt that [12:35] coldcog: uhm, libxine package for instance? [12:36] however, to create my own local repository, I'm sure a dir structure, and certain file requirements are neeed [12:37] Greyhound- (i=ScenePal@79.114.68.152) joined ##slackware. [12:37] ardya: replicate what is under the slackware/ directory [12:37] alphad (n=alphad@41.207.31.250) joined ##slackware. [12:37] where the heck did i find the documentation for tagfiles?!? [12:38] ardya: i have no idea how 3rd party repos are meant to be setup, ala slapt-get junk. [12:38] or swaret, or slackpkg? [12:38] slackpkg only works with the official repositories [12:38] oh never mind slackpkg [12:38] right [12:39] shyko_ (n=shyko@187.39.216.162) joined ##slackware. [12:39] how bout a slackbuild for amarok 2.2.2? :p [12:39] coldcog: check -current. [12:39] coldcog: take the one from -current and update the version number [12:40] but remember you'll also need to update mysql, and, and and and etc [12:40] _abc_ (n=no@unaffiliated/ccbbaa) left irc: "leaving" [12:40] does slackpkg also access extras/ and patches/ ? [12:40] so just snag the slackbuild for my current amarok and get the 2.2.2 source? [12:41] yes ardya [12:41] coldcog: no, from -current [12:41] as in slackware-current [12:41] as opposed to slackware-13 [12:42] ardya: but you'll also have to update mysql, i think. [12:42] sirslacker (n=sirslack@tmo-104-186.customers.d1-online.com) left irc: Connection timed out [12:42] which is gotten with slackpkg? [12:43] at least, if you just grab the package. i'm unsure how compiling your own package would go, but i would say it has a good chance of working [12:43] ? [12:43] ardya: oh sorry [12:43] I dont have/use mysql [12:43] :) [12:43] coldcog: i would not recommend it. [12:43] i dont think he needs nysql [12:43] whats the best way to go about getting things off current then? [12:44] dont [12:44] all ive used so far is slackpkg and sbopkg [12:44] simple as that [12:44] dont [12:44] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [12:44] -current is the development branch, and you should not expect -current packages to work on stable [12:45] but if you use the .SlackBuild from -current and it doesnt stop and complain, then odds are good it will work [12:45] but the binary packages are pretty obviously not going to work [12:45] ... as amarok in -current was compiled against a diffrent verision of KDE [12:45] coldcog: if you have to ask how to get things off current, dont. do what macavity is suggesting. [12:47] shyko_ (n=shyko@187.39.216.162) left ##slackware. [12:48] Chryseus (i=0@92.0.138.170) joined ##slackware. [12:49] vldmr (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [12:49] coldcog: you have to listen to a LOT more techno before you're ready to mess around with -current :P [12:50] Chryseus (i=0@92.0.138.170) left irc: Client Quit [12:50] lol i would if i could get amarok to work properly... [12:50] which is, as you can tell, my current project [12:50] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:50] using sed, the word "000q89" - how to return only "000"? [12:51] sed -e 's#q89##g' ? [12:51] for any word after q (it's included to be removed) [12:51] ill just screw around till i break something :) [12:52] the tried and true method [12:52] if you start mixing packages from -current with 13 or older you darn sure will break something [12:52] using sed, the word "000q??" - how to return only "000"? where 'q??' can be a random sequence [12:53] shyko (n=shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:53] Chryseus (i=0@92.0.138.170) joined ##slackware. [12:54] what if i just download tarballs and run whatever command seems good at the time on them? [12:54] Hi, how to I change the frame buffer size setting ? [12:54] then just run some other stuff as root for good measure? [12:54] lol [12:55] powtrix, you can use cut, too: echo "000q89" | cut -d 'q' -f1 [12:55] ah well thanks to remember it [12:55] vga = ask in lilo.conf will let you select whatever your monitor can handle [12:56] ComputerNewb (n=peter@adsl-69-110-12-97.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:56] but no seriously, cant i just download the bz2 and do this? ... http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Compiling [12:57] what i did on one PC was add the same kernel/OS in several stanzas with differing vga = ### settings and just labeled them like Linux-800 and Linux-1024 and Linux-640 and Linux-Normal [12:57] artv61eee (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:58] van (n=van@79.103.187.101.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:58] coldcog: i am fairly ceartain that you would fuck that up.. as slackware uses some pretty stringent --option=/path settings for KDE and related apps [12:58] van (n=van@79.103.187.101.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [12:58] i appreciate your confidence in me :p [12:58] http://pastebin.com/m5d87cb73 Chryseus [12:58] no just kidding, im pretty sure i will too [12:58] coldcog: so please, just get the damn .SlackBuild out of the -current source/ directory of your local ftp server [12:58] but i dont really have a much better idea right now and im bored... [12:59] Rossonero (n=Makaveli@wana-35-244-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [12:59] hmmm actually I think the framebuffer is fine, I just set the terminal size too big [13:00] I think I used 80x50 or something [13:00] http://pastebin.com/m71682a6f this one is easier to read [13:00] i think the key to this channel is saying as little as possible so you look like a genius when you do speak. [13:00] you can also change the console fontsize in pkgtool [13:01] coldcog: where do you live? [13:01] yeah.. sorry im still learning the basic slackware stuff... [13:01] utah US [13:01] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:02] utah.. lets seee [13:02] utah? are you a mormon coldcog ? [13:02] howd you know!? theres not much of a chance of guessing that right!! [13:03] LITesterB (i=nobody@CPE001cf0f641f7-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [13:03] LITesterB (i=nobody@CPE001cf0f641f7-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Success [13:03] LITesterB (i=nobody@CPE001cf0f641f7-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [13:03] LITesterB (i=nobody@CPE001cf0f641f7-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:03] i am a heathen infidel atheist [13:03] coldcog: ftp://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-current/source/kde/amarok [13:03] coldcog: read slackbook [13:03] haha well i dont think were required to hate you... [13:03] so i still love you :) lol [13:03] Pig_Pen: i'm an atheist [13:04] spook: i am... again [13:04] highfive! [13:04] 0\ [13:04] oops [13:04] o/ [13:04] coldcog: well. as you probably have heard, we have another holy scripture here.. its called The Slackbook [13:04] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:05] oh i do know that well [13:05] anyhow, now you know how to find stuffz on your local ftp server [13:05] i read through it once, and now im halfway through again more thoroughly [13:05] so get building [13:05] macavity: thank you [13:06] np [13:06] uhm [13:06] while we are at it [13:06] could you mail me a chicken and bacon sandwhich? [13:06] i'm kinda lazy and dont want to get off my ass :P [13:06] alphad (n=alphad@41.207.31.250) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:07] BP{k}: whats the going hour rate for renting kethry? :P [13:07] BP{k}: for strictly kitchiental purposes naturally [13:07] Chryseus (i=0@92.0.138.170) left irc: "Leaving" [13:08] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [13:08] thrice`, lol: echo 000q6969 | sed 's/q.*//' [13:09] slackguru (n=slackgur@71-213-235-63.cdrr.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:09] as soon as the battery on my cordless drill recharges i get to do some home improvement [13:10] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [13:10] how does -current stay current? [13:10] LITesterB (i=nobody@CPE001cf0f641f7-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [13:10] LITester_ (i=nobody@CPE001cf0f641f7-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [13:10] magic [13:10] that would be a simply massive amount of work.. [13:10] lol [13:10] it is updated in batches [13:11] but slackware is only some 961 packages [13:11] of which some have not been updated for years :P [13:11] coldcog: updated package by package [13:12] haha wow [13:12] then pat adds to the changelog and uploads to ftp.slackware.com [13:13] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-177-160.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:14] clijunkie (i=1000@mail.webmasterforhire.net) joined ##slackware. [13:16] whats the proper way to download things from current? [13:17] you read the changelog and act accordingly [13:17] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:17] eg, sometimes it says "added user group foobar" and stuff like that.. the packages dont actually do that.. they are just archives [13:17] so you need to know what you are doing [13:18] Doesn't slackpkg let you do -current? [13:18] hush! [13:18] eviljames: yes, but that isnt all there is to it [13:18] *shrug* it's not proper, but it is easy. [13:18] kget? [13:18] spook: No, but he's already been advised to hit the changelog. add on changes_and_hints [13:18] coldcog: get a command line, naow! [13:19] lol i have like 6 open just laying around [13:20] is there a gui way to setup a dhcp server in slackware? [13:20] coldcog: i am afraid you will blow up your system.. but if you actually insist, slackpkg(8) gives you clear and concise instructions on what to do package wise [13:20] how can i learn without blow a few things up first? :p [13:20] blowing* [13:20] coldcog: system wise you will have to go manually thorugh ChangeLog.txt (in the base dirrectoy of -current) and act accordingly [13:21] well.. since -current is targeted at testers/developers there is a little more dynamite that looks like regular candles [13:22] thats like saying " how can i learn to drive without crashing a few cars first" [13:22] so be warned.. if you break something you get to keep both pieces [13:22] oh and i did! [13:22] lol i didnt realize getting the stable version of amarok would lead to this [13:23] see, i have like 3, 1000 year old laptops laying around, that i try stupid stuff on before i try on this [13:23] if you expect frequent updates you should go Arch Linux [13:23] whats so important about amarok, i still use xmms for most all my audio, and either mplayer or xine for video [13:24] i kinda like slackware... [13:24] id just also like amarok to work [13:24] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-148-153.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:24] Karu (n=alch@78-28-107-166.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [13:24] then expect that you get application updates when there is either a security flaw, or when a new release hits the servers [13:24] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@80-123-55-65.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. 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[15:35] tpocra (n=kvirc@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:36] clijunkie (i=1000@mail.webmasterforhire.net) left ##slackware. [15:41] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:45] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [15:46] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:47] damn, stupid power outages [15:47] Rolling blackouts? [15:47] eviljames: exactly, that stupid gnome stuff is going to take over us as well, because the hal developer stopped developing hal in favour of the *Kit [15:48] alienBOB, what's better about hal what we wouldn't want to switch? [15:49] macavity (n=macavity@212088073004.static.sonofon.dk) left irc: "zZzZzZzZzZ" [15:56] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [15:56] HOw can I find out what soundcard is in my ocmputer? 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[16:11] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:11] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-lhwjnsjivpkefubb) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:12] Action: fire|bird stabs Necos and runs [16:12] rworkman, i agree [16:13] haha [16:13] but hey it's somehow bad to have something you understand and needs no further tweaking, that means it's "not being maintained" [16:13] i love it when "LILO isn't maintained any more!" so what? it works good and we understand it. [16:13] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:14] the point was to get Linux to a place where it works and we understand it. innovation is nice but seriously we just want something that works and works better than windows [16:14] Delahunt, but then again, lilo has reached the point of maturity (what could you possibly add to it?) [16:14] which is what we have now with hal [16:14] yes and that is another reason why sometimes things don't need further work [16:14] i mean, yeah, grub has some pretty neat tricks, but for the common user, those are unimportant [16:15] my point is still: if it works and is mature and secure why does it need anything more? [16:15] Delahunt, i'm agreeing with ya :P [16:17] evanton (n=lol@unaffiliated/evanton) joined ##slackware. [16:17] quake live won't run in my slackware 13.0 / firefox [16:18] moshtaghi (n=majid@78.38.99.3) joined ##slackware. [16:18] this is my user agent (if this is relevant): Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091102 Mozilla [16:18] no one (else) cares :P [16:18] moshtaghi (n=majid@78.38.99.3) left ##slackware. [16:18] it tells me that my browser is incompatible [16:19] I run adblock but I have temporaty allowed everything [16:19] what am I doing wrong? [16:19] afu (n=afu@buzzcut.cba.ua.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:19] Delahunt: I know for sure that other people managed to run it [16:19] (it was a joke, sorry) [16:20] lol [16:21] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:22] evanton, i can't test (blocked at work)... but what do you mean "it won't run"? [16:22] I've googled up a reference to quake live in alienBOB's twitter [16:22] so I know for sure it must be working and it's my fault :) [16:23] Necos: there's a big red button that says play now for free. remember? [16:23] i've never played it, so no i don't remember :) [16:23] when I click it the site says my browser is not compatible [16:24] oh, hmmm, have you looked at the javascript to see what version of FF it's trying to detect? [16:25] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p4FFF24DA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:25] neonix (n=neonix@nc-76-0-178-210.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [16:25] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:26] Necos: I posted my user agent above [16:26] h4ngedm4n (n=h4ngedm4@pool-71-104-6-87.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:26] Politics (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:27] nvision (n=nvision@g225055214.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:27] Urchlay, need some help, about the issue last night, do you have time? [16:28] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [16:29] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:29] i said have you checked to see what the SITE is checking for, not what your agent is [16:30] are you suggesting me to debug the javascript? [16:30] I'm not so good at it [16:30] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [16:31] actually, I know only the basics about javascript [16:31] telperion1 (n=Adium@186.28.116.9) joined ##slackware. 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[17:02] Greetings Programs!@ [17:03] s0d0 (n=sod@host86-175-233-136.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:05] sQuEE (n=narya@host131.190-30-14.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [17:06] hey NyteOwl [17:06] hey nix_chix0r, fire|bird, NyteOwl (in no particular order) [17:06] heya Necos [17:06] hiyas [17:07] hey fire|bird openbox screenie http://omploader.org/vM2Fycg [17:07] evanton (n=lol@unaffiliated/evanton) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:07] hi [17:07] Rat409: hey, very nice. :) [17:07] so sad that i had to write a perl script to modify the network adapter entries in the registry 'cause ghostwalker doesn't do it properly >.> [17:07] Necos, ^ [17:08] hey nix_chix0r yuh the ob script works better,my menu's lame tho [17:08] jg71 (n=edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:08] jg71 (n=edud@76.74.129.199) joined ##slackware. [17:10] nice Rat409... [17:11] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. 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[17:57] err I don;'t think there could be some technicall call lines for linux users in USA, are there ? [17:58] im following this guide to setup the networkmanager app. http://gnomeslackbuild.org/configure/ but i can't find rc.networkmanager in /etc/rc.d/ :( [17:58] john_dee (n=id@95.29.15.224) left irc: Client Quit [17:58] dErFz, if i recall, it could be rc.NetworkManager maybe ? [17:59] guess im wrong [17:59] it's not there [17:59] it's not in /etc/rc.d as the guide should said [17:59] IceChant (n=icechant@94.159.167.96) joined ##slackware. [18:00] maybe gnome wasn't installed correctly?! oO [18:00] or they discontinued and didn't update the page [18:02] is there a source file for NetworkManager so i can build it?? [18:09] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) got netsplit. [18:09] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) got netsplit. [18:09] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) got netsplit. [18:09] artv61eee (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) got netsplit. 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[18:20] fred (n=fred@phoenix.slamd64.com) joined ##slackware. [18:20] fdisk -l /dev/sdX ? [18:20] Nick change: fred -> Guest15153 [18:20] eh? [18:21] spider1010 (n=spider10@158.sub-97-186-121.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [18:21] well, my guess would be that you have the size restriction clip on, but that's usually not shorted by default [18:22] brbrbr (n=Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [18:22] do you have a 400GB drive in your machine? [18:22] and you forgot that you enabled raid1? >.> [18:24] phrag (n=phrag@217.10.145.3) joined ##slackware. [18:29] re-l (n=re-l@98.197.118.188) left irc: Connection timed out [18:30] _santa, have you checked the reserved space on that filesystem? [18:31] default should be 5% but you never know, dumpe2fs -h device should give you that information [18:32] <_santa> hfjardim: The most strange is that Windows sees all the 1397 GB space but unix fdisk does not [18:33] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:34] packeteer (n=zed@203.36.227.227) joined ##slackware. [18:36] _santa (n=_s_a_t_a@sa-185-90.saturn.infonet.ee) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.3 Shiny(svn-3438) http://www.kvirc.net" [18:36] guax (n=guax@200-193-111-142.fnsce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:36] gui_ap (n=guilherm@201-92-83-186.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:37] hmmm [18:40] nvision (n=nvision@g225055214.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [18:40] n8 [18:40] bingo! [18:41] substancev (n=substanc@1-18-132-169.idt.net) joined ##slackware. [18:41] you sunk my battleship! [18:42] lol [18:44] "n900 ?" --> "you crush my aquasphere" [18:44] crn_ (n=crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:45] Nokia in N8 ad "connecting peoples and sunking ships for almost 25 years !!" [18:45] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:45] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:47] nyRednek_ (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:48] nyRednek_ (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:49] can someone answer me a quick question: when trying to connect to my slackware machine via ssh with X11 forwarding i get the following: Error: no display specified [18:50] substancev: which option for ssh do you use? and is 'xauth' installed on that remote machine? [18:50] nyRednek_ (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:50] nyRednek_ (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [18:55] ananke: xauth... i don't think soo.. if it doesn't come stock with slackware... i didn't install it.. im using the -X parameter [18:55] xauth available in slackbuilds? [18:55] lemme check [18:55] ssh to that box and see if you can run 'xauth' [18:56] yes i can. [18:56] when you run ssh -X user@thathost, do you get anything when you run 'echo $DISPLAY'? [18:57] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-23-168.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:57] it is blank. [18:58] does bitlbee have Myspace & Facebook IM yet? [18:58] and you are running ssh -X from a machine that's currently running X? [18:58] ananke: yes. I'm running from another slackware box. [18:59] cck4 (n=edufa@unaffiliated/edufa) left ##slackware. [18:59] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.31.176) joined ##slackware. [19:00] run echo $DISPLAY on that box, from the same terminal you're executing ssh [19:00] i will pick this up later. i must relocate... going to finish off the rest of my day [19:00] i get :0.0 [19:00] matu_ (n=matu@client80-83-40-113.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [19:01] matu_ (n=matu@client80-83-40-113.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Connection reset by peer [19:01] matu_ (n=matu@client80-83-40-113.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [19:01] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-3-119.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:01] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [19:01] Nick change: matu -> Guest43255 [19:02] matu_ (n=matu@client80-83-40-113.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Client Quit [19:02] matu_ (n=matu@client80-83-40-113.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [19:03] matu_ (n=matu@client80-83-40-113.abo.net2000.ch) left ##slackware. [19:03] nooper (i=nooper@unaffiliated/nooper) joined ##slackware. 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[19:23] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [19:25] nvision (n=nvision@g225055214.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:26] im building conky from source, and it requires lua5.1. i built that and i believed it's installed...though whenever i ./configure conky's directory it still says that "No package lua5.1 found" :( [19:27] check config.log in that dir [19:32] dErFz: try as root /sbin/ldconfig then try conky [19:32] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:33] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:37] alienBOB, but isn't that how everything works? [19:37] ComputerNewb (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [19:38] dErFz, why aren't you using the slackbuild for conky? >.> [19:38] didymo (n=ashley@38.142.LCA2010.fx.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [19:38] alienBOB, who ever has the biggest market share determines where the company goes. If some software giant puts all its votes towards something then that thing becomes favored by the majority.. by definition no? [19:39] not really... [19:40] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.207.31.176) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:40] there are quite a few examples where a company pushed something and it fell flat on its face... [19:40] DivX discs are the first to come to mind [19:41] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [19:44] crudo|home (n=kayaman@189.70.88.141) joined ##slackware. [19:44] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-23-168.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:47] spider1010 (n=spider10@158.sub-97-186-121.myvzw.com) left irc: Client Quit [19:53] adaptr (n=adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:55] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:55] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.1-dev"). [19:55] greetings and salutations [19:57] didymo (n=ashley@38.142.LCA2010.fx.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:59] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-23-168.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [20:01] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:04] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [20:07] packeteer (n=zed@203.36.227.227) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:07] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [20:15] tuxdev_ (n=tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: "Leaving" [20:16] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:17] marchhare (n=marchhar@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:17] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:17] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [20:20] crn_ (n=crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [20:21] jg71 (n=edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:22] jg71 (n=edud@76.74.129.199) joined ##slackware. [20:23] I can't believe when I saw this picture. A psychopath has been arrested using a Slackware shirt. [20:23] http://imagebin.org/80862 [20:23] Funny though. =) [20:23] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-23-168.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [20:23] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [20:25] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-211-63.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:25] he probably killed some ubuntu user that was annoying him with frivolous questions [20:25] :D [20:25] alphad (n=alphad@41.207.31.176) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:26] he should have been nominated president in that case [20:26] not arrested [20:27] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [20:27] where did you find that? [20:28] can you read it? is that spanish or portugeuse? [20:28] http://tinyurl.com/ycrppaq [20:28] its portuguese [20:28] alphad (n=alphad@41.207.31.176) joined ##slackware. [20:28] apparently he stabbed someone and ditched the body [20:28] neonix (n=neonix@nc-76-0-178-210.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:29] see what getting into a heated distro flame war with the wrong guy can get you :o [20:29] lol [20:30] apparently the slackware guy won that one [20:30] the victim was a 16 years old girl [20:30] uhg [20:30] dumped on a well [20:31] and for what a know of "wells" in that area... it must be a really disgusting one. [20:31] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@189.120.130.32) joined ##slackware. [20:31] yeah, dead bodys tend to taint the water [20:31] well that's why Brazilian Slackware users tell people to never donate their Slackware shirts [20:32] burn it down if you don't want it anymore, you'll never know where it might end. [20:32] alphad (n=alphad@41.207.31.176) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:32] jg71 (n=edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:32] <|Slacker|> lol [20:32] jg71 (n=edud@76.74.129.199) joined ##slackware. [20:33] he didnt look like the type of guy to help you setup a mailserver [20:33] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-228-66.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] <|Slacker|> true enough [20:33] jjholt2 (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-228-66.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] I'm sure he got that shirt through one of those "Winter Warm Campaign" [20:34] <|Slacker|> and he drank the poor girl's blood [20:34] <|Slacker|> that's for sure [20:34] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:34] <|Slacker|> vampire wannabe, aye [20:34] It actually says that! I missed that one. [20:34] _santa (n=_s_a_t_a@sa-185-90.saturn.infonet.ee) joined ##slackware. [20:34] nasty bastard. [20:35] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-228-66.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:35] <|Slacker|> or he just tried to become a Reiser wannabe [20:35] He must used BSD before [20:35] <|Slacker|> or Debian :p [20:36] <_santa> Hello. How to fix such an error report like...http://www.everfall.com/paste/id.php?njo5qkvenbfg ? I got to know this error occurs in x64 platforms [20:36] <_santa> Does anybody know how tp fix it? [20:36] Kiboney_Dude (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:36] _santa: See config.log for more details. [20:37] I was just about to type that. [20:37] There could be thousands or reasons. [20:37] =) [20:37] _santa: http://www.slackbuilds.org/faq/#x86_64 [20:37] The one that matters is in config.log somewhere. [20:37] please see the link posted [20:38] <_santa> thanks andarius [20:38] yw [20:39] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-23-168.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [20:39] anjosarda (n=anjosard@189.25.7.214) joined ##slackware. [20:40] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@168-103-58-84.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] anjosarda (n=anjosard@189.25.7.214) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [20:44] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Client Quit [20:45] firefox keep segfaulting [20:47] errordeveloper (n=errordev@host86-141-169-195.range86-141.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [20:48] rmdir ~/.mozilla that worked for me before [20:49] didymo (n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [20:50] alphad64_ (n=quassel@41.207.31.176) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:50] <_santa> Well, it didn't help. And config.log says only that config script was not able to collect plenty of info [20:52] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:53] what about anything gtk, cairo, pango, libpng? have you changed any of those? [20:57] fooser (n=fooser@80.93.126.66) joined ##slackware. [20:58] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [20:59] jjholt2 (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-228-66.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:59] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [21:01] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:02] error_developer_ (n=errordev@host86-129-173-108.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:02] didymo (n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "ttfn" [21:02] hfjardim, won't that tank your profile also? [21:03] hiptobecubic: It sure will, bookmarks, everything. [21:04] it's even crashing in -safe-mode [21:05] definitely will take everything away, back it up first and give it a go. [21:05] alkos333 (n=alkos333@68-30-20-18.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] afu (n=afu@buzzcut.cba.ua.edu) joined ##slackware. [21:06] hiptobecubic: I would guess that's something beyond just ~/.mozilla then, but I could be wrong, if you go the route of removing that, backup first, then if the issue isn't solved, you can put it all back. [21:06] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [21:07] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [21:08] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-14-172.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:08] jg71 (n=edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:08] jg71 (n=edud@76.74.129.199) joined ##slackware. [21:08] at least save the bookmarks.html if nothing else [21:13] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.187.101.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:13] fooser (n=fooser@80.93.126.66) left ##slackware. [21:14] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "A little boy who had a big hallucination..." [21:14] Kiboney_Dude (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [21:14] Kiboney_Dude (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:15] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@clsm-74-212-19-103-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:15] Kiboney_Dude (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:15] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:19] moving .mozilla didn't solve anything [21:19] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [21:19] chipster_ (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Client Quit [21:19] god this is like being back in 2007 [21:19] hiptobecubic: Does it segfault only when you go to a certain site, when, for example, flash is used, or just randomly? [21:19] randomly [21:20] straced it? [21:20] oh goddamnit [21:21] i killed my ff profile [21:21] did you backup first? [21:22] well i thought so [21:22] well shit. [21:24] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@80-123-55-65.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:25] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:25] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@80-123-59-217.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [21:25] Reticenti (n=reticent@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:26] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:26] ultralazer (n=tinman@174-19-1-44.hlna.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:27] ubuntu should do a "so easy a caveman could do it" commercial [21:28] afu (n=afu@buzzcut.cba.ua.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [21:29] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [21:31] ultralazer, ubuntu doesn't do any commercials [21:31] probably better that way [21:32] The problem isn't that people don't want ubuntu i think. The problem is that everyone already has windows, because it was there when they bought the computer. [21:34] What is this segfault nonsense [21:34] I'm flabbergasted [21:37] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.48.80) left irc: "leaving" [21:38] merciful (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:39] ComputerNewb (n=peter@32.159.68.138) joined ##slackware. [21:40] ComputerNewb (n=peter@32.159.68.138) left irc: Client Quit [21:41] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: "For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint." 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[21:59] djbdns ;D [21:59] jgor (n=jgor@loki.indiecom.org) joined ##slackware. [21:59] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@168-103-58-84.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:00] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:01] zalost (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:02] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-215-132.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:03] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [22:05] sGun (n=s@ppp184-132.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [22:07] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:07] sGun (n=s@ppp184-132.static.internode.on.net) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [22:12] ugh [22:12] downgraded to 3.5.2 in slackware-13.. still segfaulting [22:12] anyone around that has built MPlayer from source with USE_PATENTS="YES" ? [22:13] Why bother? [22:13] Install libdvdcss from SlackBuilds.org [22:13] chopp: i think i have [22:13] rworkman: isn't that required for dvd's? [22:14] chopp: hrm, wait. That's probably not the same thing you were asking. [22:14] I guess the DVDCSS stuff would be included, but that's not all you're meaning probably [22:14] and I did first install libdvdcss [22:14] IOW, ignore me. :) [22:14] okey ;) [22:15] If i need to figure out why firefox can't run for 20 seconds with segfaulting... am i going to need to rebuild it with debug symbols? [22:16] sGun (n=s@ppp184-132.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] Reticenti: builds fine without that option, but enabled it fails on line 290, which has nothing to do with that. "cd $PKG/usr/share/mplayer/skins" [22:16] hmm [22:16] the gui is dead, disable it :) [22:17] hi rworkman, do you know maybe how to get louder sound in linux like in windows? i have already set all in alsamixer to the max but its not as loud as in windows :) [22:17] urthwrm (n=hooch@unaffiliated/urthwrm) joined ##slackware. [22:17] chopp: http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/sdeg/multimedia.htm has a pretty good rundown of what is needed for a 'multimedia slackware' [22:17] chopp: I can't remember if I did enable it. It was a while ago [22:17] thrice`: yeah I don't ever use it anyway actually [22:18] pupit: no, I don't. I don't know how it fares in Windows, but I've got a machine here with similar issues. [22:18] That machine never has (or will have) Windows on it, but the point is the same [22:18] pireau (i=1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [22:19] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:20] rworkman: someone here, pointed me to http://www.thedigitalmachine.net/alsaequal.html i dont know if that could help [22:20] fraktil (n=fraktil@96.248.224.241) joined ##slackware. [22:20] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-215-132.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:21] I'll give that a look; thanks [22:21] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-220-40.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:21] _santa (n=_s_a_t_a@sa-185-90.saturn.infonet.ee) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.3 Shiny(svn-3438) http://www.kvirc.net" [22:21] ultralazer (n=tinman@174-19-1-44.hlna.qwest.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:25] http://imagebin.org/80876 (safe for work, rated G) [22:27] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [22:27] mag0o: thanks for the link, excellent reference. 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[22:40] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [22:44] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [22:44] Has anyone had issues with tmux 1.1(from SBo) not registering input from the numberpad when SSH'd in with PuTTY? [22:45] when I SSH in with PuTTY the numberpad works as long as I am not in tmux. but when i physically access the machine the numberpad still works within tmux. [22:48] Alright this is even stranger [22:48] officergris (n=officerg@pal-179-138.itap.purdue.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:48] anyone have a palm pre ? [22:49] alkos333 (n=alkos333@173-111-26-122.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [22:50] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) left irc: "leaving" [22:50] hayaka (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:50] sometimes after firefox crashes... it loades the offending page in seamonkey immediately afterwards [22:50] loads* [22:51] hayaka (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:52] evilaz (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [23:00] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.109.107) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:00] evilaz (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left ##slackware. [23:00] evilaz (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [23:00] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.96.24.22) joined ##slackware. [23:01] Any suggestions here? My life is meaningless without a webbrowser [23:02] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-220-40.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:02] hiptobecubic try different dns? [23:02] a fresh ~/.mozilla doesn't help ? [23:02] kitche, ? dns? Why would dns be causing firefox to segfault [23:03] thrice`, no. and in fact. deleting it completely. replacing 3.5.7 with 3.5.2 from -13.0 and rebooting doesn't fix it either [23:03] crudo|house (n=kayaman@189.70.13.54) joined ##slackware. [23:03] I can reliably make it crash by visiting gmail and waiting about ten seconds [23:03] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@168-103-60-151.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [23:03] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:03] I see so/e pretty odd things that can cause web browsers crash [23:04] I really haven't changed anything at all and I used gmail earlier today and it was fine. Now suddenly it won't stay up for anything. [23:05] kitche, but i haven't changed my dns in several weeks. Suddenly firefox won't load gmail because i used a particular dns server? Clearly it worked. It found gmail.com? 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[23:15] Hopeless [23:15] I'll never see the internet again [23:15] have to do all my browsing with curl and less [23:17] ? [23:17] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [23:18] crudo|home (n=kayaman@189.70.88.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:18] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:18] night all [23:19] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:20] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.96.136.6) joined ##slackware. [23:21] make needs a progress meter [23:21] even if it's just a rough count of files complete / total files [23:23] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:25] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. 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