[00:00] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:00] DenNOLA: Getting DRI to work would be the first step [00:02] kejen: Ok. I follwed advice and typed < export LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose> followed by but I'm not seeing anything useful (to me, anyway). [00:02] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [00:02] kejen: ok i've done what you said, the X loaded with the values but i only get 1024x768 max [00:03] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.158.210) joined ##slackware. [00:04] izap: try with the nv driver just for the hell of it [00:04] so just nvidia-xconfig to reconfigure as nvidia ? [00:05] izap: oh, it's currently using nv driver now? [00:05] no [00:06] izap: change the driver from nvidia to nv [00:06] im using the xorg -configure one [00:06] ohhhhh [00:06] izap: there are 2 drivers for nvidia, the nv that coms with linux, and 3D nvidia from nvidia [00:06] DenNOLA: what kind of video card do you have? [00:07] izap: Basically saying to try both to see if it's a driver problem [00:08] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.158.210) left ##slackware ("Auribus teneos lupus: I hold the wolf the ears"). [00:09] Sashi (n=Sashi@S0106001310a00123.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:09] how would one upgrade the system? [00:10] kejen: looking at stuff here in K-info Center but not sure what's what, honestly. Is there a simple way to get that information. [00:10] ? [00:11] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: "leaving" [00:11] RodrigoRJ (n=rodrigol@189.60.46.120) left ##slackware. [00:12] DenNOLA: is it a laptop? [00:12] Yes. It's a Dell Inspiron 6000. [00:13] open a terminal and su to root, do you know how to do that? [00:13] Yep. One sec. [00:13] then type lspic | grep VGA [00:14] lspci | grep VGA [00:14] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03) [00:14] By the way.....you may like to know this as well: http://pastebin.ca/1499765 [00:17] caffemisto (n=caffemis@70.134.88.224) joined ##slackware. [00:18] Nick change: fadein_ -> fadein [00:18] ok well [00:18] Hi. I need help with imaging my linux installation. [00:18] kejen: nv driver is even nothing good, even worser. [00:19] i downloaded/burned g4l, but it didn't do what i expected. [00:19] is nothing good* [00:19] weee alcohol [00:20] for example, with norton ghost, a 20GB with only 3GB being used would create a 1.5GB give or take. with g4l, it seems like it wants to create an image of used and unused space. [00:20] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:22] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:22] k, im going to another channel. [00:22] caffemisto (n=caffemis@70.134.88.224) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:24] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:24] wb kejen [00:24] :-) [00:24] to the tune of Elvis' "hound dog:" You aint nothin but a hacker / Coding all the time. / Well, you aint never wrote no bad code / And you are a friend of mine. [00:24] i lagged out i think [00:25] DenNOLA: did you get my last message about logging into X as root? [00:25] Yes. I'll repeat my response: [00:26] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03) [00:26] I then said: [00:26] By the way.....you may like to know this as well: http://pastebin.ca/1499765 [00:26] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:26] doods, how much your IPS charge for the service avarage? [00:27] ok, after that I said to log into X as root, and run glxinfo again. Meaining exit KDE and then go in as root [00:28] probably the quickest way of checking for permission issue [00:29] kejen: ah. Ok, so I'm basically rebooting as root, running the command, then rebooting again as "Dennis"? [00:29] izap: I really don't know, out of ideas. You say it has worked since the power outage, so checking it on another computer won't tell you much. Maybe try and find someone else with that LCD and check their xorg.conf [00:29] DenNOLA: dont have to reboot [00:30] Just tell kde to log out, then log in as root, then come back as dennis [00:30] Ok. brb [00:30] ok [00:31] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@173.4.223.5) left irc: "Leaving" [00:32] he could have used "kdesu" probably [00:33] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [00:33] I don't know anything about kde unfortunately [00:36] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:36] did not whoever has this problem try the three methods of configuring X [00:36] or try the xhost program? [00:36] like xhost + localhost? [00:36] (take out the space between '+localhost') [00:39] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:40] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.160.209) left irc: "leaving" [00:42] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@173-131-159-130.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [00:43] Kejen: Ok, done. (apparently I like doing things the hard way. Ugh.) http://pastebin.ca/1499811 [00:45] DenNOLA: This was the output of glxinfo when you were logged into X as root? [00:46] DenNOLA: and put your /etc/X11/xorg.conf on pastebin too [00:47] Kejen: Yes. I logged off (out of KDE) didn't know the command to make me actually root rather than su, so I just rebooted and logged into KDE as root, ran the command in a terminal then saved it is /home/Dennis as a doc with permissions, then logged in as Dennis again. OY. Noobs, huh? [00:48] yeah, that was a waste of time, I should of looked at your xorg.conf first [00:49] It's cool. Just realized there's a Super-User terminal that lets me run commands as root so I'm good. One sec. [00:50] Uh....it says permission denied. [00:50] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:51] you dont have to be root to look at xorg.conf [00:52] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [00:52] to the tune of Elvis' "Jailhouse Rock:' 'You should've seen those caffeined up hackers hack. / Lets hack, everybody, lets hack.' [00:53] kenjen: ttp://pastebin.ca/1499815 [00:53] oops [00:53] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:53] http://pastebin.ca/1499815 [00:53] hathalsal (n=hathalsa@87.109.249.44) joined ##slackware. [00:54] you can't run that file [00:54] dartmouth (n=dartmout@24.25.172.165) joined ##slackware. [00:54] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [00:54] you have to open it with something that can read it, like less or cat [00:54] hathalsal (n=hathalsa@87.109.249.44) left ##slackware. [00:54] if im growing an install disc iso to a usb stick for boot....am I doing dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdc? [00:54] or is it sdc1? [00:55] oh. Duh....sorry, man. Not trying to make this tedious. One sec. [00:56] anyone here use slackpkg a lot? [00:56] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: "leaving" [00:57] bah [00:57] i need to know [00:57] dartmouth: either way should work I think [00:58] i figured i just wanted to check [00:58] actually [00:58] not sure [00:58] never did it from an iso [00:58] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: [00:59] Kenjen: before I do this, just making sure...you want right? Because the output is 484 lines. [00:59] there we go, it seems to be working [00:59] 484 lines!! [00:59] who made that file? [00:59] dartmouth: did you read alienBOB's wiki on just that? http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:usbboot [01:00] but sure, post it [01:00] it isn't slackware, it's windows 7 but their channel is full of idiots [01:00] Thanks. One sec. [01:00] I'm sure it's a lot of commented out stuff [01:00] (it is) [01:01] chopp: one more OT question and then i'll shut up about it, i should be installing a lilo made to point to the usb stick, right? [01:01] dartmouth: well I guess then there's more than one way to contaminate an thumbdrive :P [01:01] i'm told there's going to be an issue with the bootloader since I'm expanding from iso [01:01] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:03] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:04] dartmouth: I've not played with this yet myself, but I'm sure someone around here has. [01:07] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [01:07] kenjen: here you are. http://pastebin.ca/1499820 [01:08] Dartmouth: give my regards to Hanover,NH. :-) [01:10] DenNOLA: what? [01:10] Ok, forget that file. Open a root console [01:11] dartmouth. Ah. I thought your screenname was an allusion to Darmouth College, which is in Hanover, NH. [01:11] kenjen: ok. [01:12] (root console open) [01:12] Actually you have to exit X to do this [01:12] Ok. Is there an easier way than the ass route I took last time? [01:13] How are you starting X? [01:13] When you start slackware does a picture come up asking you to log in? [01:14] Or do you get a console [01:14] no. console. Then I type startx. [01:14] Sargonal (n=Severanc@209.Red-88-6-109.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left ##slackware. [01:14] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere." [01:15] Cool, just exit X with ctl alt backspace, or exiting kde or whatever..log in as root [01:15] Then run.. [01:15] Xorg -configure [01:16] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@173.18.58.139) joined ##slackware. [01:16] when I log out I am at a console as Dennis@slackware and I don't know from there how to change user to root@slackware. [01:16] just type logout, or ctrl D will log you out also [01:17] Do that, then come back and you will post that file on pastbin and I will fix it for you [01:17] Ok. So when I'm logged in as root what is the command I am entering? [01:17] Xorg -configure [01:17] Ah. Ok, will do. Thaks. brb [01:18] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@173-131-159-130.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:22] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.60.216) left irc: "Leaving" [01:24] Iisa_ (i=Ghostrip@41.236.13.227) left irc: No route to host [01:26] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:27] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:27] Sumo\ (n=Dark@122.144.119.221) joined ##slackware. [01:29] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-12-195.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:30] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@173-130-219-118.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [01:30] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-80-206.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:31] slak (n=slak@unaffiliated/slak) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:31] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [01:32] kejen: Ok...so the Ctrl commands are useful. Here is the (root) output of both and [01:32] bkUp (n=bkUp@200-155-169-154.static.spo.ifx.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:32] http://pastebin.ca/1499834 [01:33] DenNOLA: no, you have to run Xorg -configure from the console [01:33] X cannot be started [01:33] understand? [01:34] when rebuilding an mdadm array, do you first have to partition the new disk, add a new partition with the linux raid auto-detect type? [01:34] Oh. I wondered that. *sigh* brb again. (shuffles off like a moron) [01:34] wait [01:34] ? [01:34] all that command is going to do is make a new config file called xorg.conf.new in the directory you ran it [01:35] mshade: yes [01:35] that's the file you want to put on pastebin [01:35] it will be in /root/xorg.conf.new [01:35] Dominian: thanks - thought so. don't know how else it would identify the new active drive [01:37] Ok, so let's see if I get it. 1) I log off as Dennis and log in (console) as root. 2) I enter which will generate a new file. 3) I startx as root, open a terminal window, type and then I paste the results for you. Yes?? [01:39] you can just type X -configure, right? [01:39] Linux has 6 consoles by default when you start, hit control + alt + f2 right now (control + alt + f7 to come back into x. Also f1, f2, f3, etc are extra consoles [01:39] Try it [01:39] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:39] I never heard of typing 'Xorg' instead of 'X' [01:40] its either: X -configure or xorgsetup [01:40] or xorgcfg [01:40] or xorgconfig [01:40] Or if you have the Nvidia binary drivers installed: nvidia-xconfig [01:40] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@173-130-219-118.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:40] X is symlinked to Xorg [01:41] dchmelik: I don't have xorgcfg nor xorgconfig. [01:41] afaik, its always been xorgsetup or X -configure [01:42] this must be something else than current [01:42] sounds like an old version [01:42] umm [01:42] No [01:42] I'm on slackware64-current [01:42] dartmouth (n=dartmout@24.25.172.165) left irc: "Leaving" [01:42] well then you should have xorgconfig [01:42] actually I have not tried 13RC1 [01:42] xorgconfig is depreciated [01:42] just 12.2-current [01:42] no such thing as 12.2-current [01:43] then what if I want to input everything? [01:43] its either 12.2 or -current [01:43] there was a current between 12.2 and 13RC1 [01:43] ther'es always a -current [01:43] In fact, you don't even need xorg.conf on xserver 1.6+ [01:43] but there is no such thing as 12.2-current [01:44] chipster_ (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [01:46] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:46] well I'm running 9.1-current=12.1 [01:46] which is the best version [01:47] do what? [01:47] Why do you keep referring to it as 9.1-current? [01:47] That was the first time, and was a joke [01:47] i just expanded the win7 installation iso to a usb stick and there's no bootloader-- is this something i can fix from within slackware? [01:47] ah.. well its late.. I'm tired.. my sense of humor went to bed hours ago. [01:47] it's cool [01:48] dartmouth: highly doubtful [01:48] can't make lilo do something with it? [01:48] if i install it onto the stick? [01:48] You can try. [01:48] im just discussing theory right now [01:48] MOre than likely you *can* boot it with lilo [01:48] hrm [01:48] cock sauce ftw [01:49] what if I want to put my own input into the new xorg setup? [01:49] armence (n=armence@c-67-188-229-128.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:49] nix_chix0r: are you out? [01:49] nope have bottle of sriracha [01:49] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@173-96-125-184.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [01:50] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [01:51] kejen: Ok. Done. http://pastebin.ca/1499844 [01:53] ok, one sec [01:53] k [01:55] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:57] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:58] DenNOLA: http://pastebin.ca/1499848 [01:58] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [01:59] Bring up a root terminal and mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.BACKUP [01:59] kejen: Ok. By the way. Wanna laugh? You typed: "Linux has several consoles. Hit Crtl+f2 right now..." so I did. I had no idea how to get back so I rebooted. What a dumb ass. [01:59] f7 would have bring you back to X [01:59] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [02:00] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:00] ctl alt f7 [02:00] after you backed up the xorg.conf, put the good one in [02:00] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:01] PenPerk (n=carlj@71.246.216.235) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:01] I guess i have to do that as root, right? [02:01] wahooooo8 (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:01] just open a terminal in KDE [02:01] but yeah, as root [02:02] Ok, going and will brb. Thanks a bunch for this help, btw. [02:02] wait [02:02] ? [02:03] so the old file is backed up, and new one is in? [02:03] Uh.... [02:03] no. [02:03] I meant, I'm gonna go do that now and tell ya how it works out in a sec. [02:03] you dont have to log out to do this [02:03] ok [02:05] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@173-96-125-184.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:05] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-182-77.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:07] glen2 (n=glen@78-86-231-25.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:09] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:09] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [02:18] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:22] glen2 (n=glen@78-86-231-25.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [02:23] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:25] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:25] Anybody have success installing Zimbra per this method: http://wiki.zimbra.com/index.php?title=Franklin_README [02:25] ? [02:25] Or is there an easier method...or precompiled packages? [02:30] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:31] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:31] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@173-96-125-184.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [02:31] jkwood (n=jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:31] eddief (n=eddie@pool-141-157-194-27.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:32] DenNOLA: before you left, wanted to make sure you knew how to get your old config back just incase the new one didnt work [02:32] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:34] Well, I backed up the old one in /home/Dennis like you said. I erased the contents of the /root/xorg.conf.new file and pasted what you gave me. I'm here, so I guess so far so good. Now what? [02:35] (I have Puppy on usb as a back-up so if I bork my system I can still get here and scream help) [02:35] CaptObviousman (n=The_Capt@unaffiliated/captobviousman) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:36] CaptObviousman (n=The_Capt@unaffiliated/captobviousman) joined ##slackware. [02:36] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [02:36] what is the native resolution of your laptop? [02:37] I dunno. Where do I look for that? [02:38] how big is the screen? [02:38] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [02:38] jkwood (n=jkwood@2001:470:1f0e:d2:0:0:0:2) joined ##slackware. [02:38] There is nowhere to look for it, just something you should know [02:39] I know...I'm just so burnt I admit I can't tell ya. Lemme Google it. [02:40] Should be fine [02:40] 1680x1050 [02:41] so move your xorg.conf.new to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and restart X [02:41] Screen Size: 15.4-inches [02:41] Processor: Intel Pentium M [02:41] Graphics: ATI Mobility Radeon X600 (Dedicated) [02:43] If that config doesnt work and you can't start X, just put the old one back [02:43] kejen: ok, when you say, move it.....you mean literally < mv /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf> ? [02:43] yeah [02:44] ok, and if x doesn't start what exactly do I type? [02:45] Ohhh... [02:45] no, I get it. [02:45] The back up. [02:45] wait [02:45] ? [02:45] the xorg.conf.new was the file I fixed for you right? [02:45] Yes. [02:46] ok [02:46] But that is now altered. [02:46] It will be moved to etc. [02:46] why is it altered? [02:46] it should exactly the file I gave you [02:47] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:47] Oh, yeah. Right. Sorry. No, I guess by altered I was remembering removing the old text and pasting what you gave me. Got it. Gonna go do it now before I get anymore befuddled. brb [02:48] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@173-96-125-184.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:52] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@173.5.242.139) joined ##slackware. [02:53] Kejen: Whoa. Ok, so suddenly I have very crisp graphics and I am realizing that my images were slightly skewed along the horizontal axis. HUH. [02:53] So now what? [02:53] what does glxinfo say? [02:53] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:53] as user or su? [02:53] user [02:54] good evening everyone [02:55] kejen: [02:55] http://pastebin.ca/1499883 [02:55] greetings mfillpot [02:56] DenNOLA: ok, DRI is working and you have hardware accelertion [02:56] I made a visit by the ubuntu IRc today, man am I back to be among the slackers [02:56] Ok, so I guess I can try my game now and see if it works. or is there something else? [02:56] they think in circles [02:56] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [02:56] DenNOLA: as for your game, I have no clue, but DRI is needed for just about anything [02:56] circular logic only makes you dizzy [02:57] Ok, so lemme give it a whirl. I'd love to end this by saying "YAY, it works." One sec. [02:57] they were convinced something was wrong with my partitions because I didn't have labels on them [02:57] DenNOLA: have you made the proper sacrifices to propitiate the appropriate deities? [02:57] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-50-192.lns4.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [02:57] mfillpot: s/think// :P [02:58] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [02:58] DenNOLA: get used to running stuff from terminal, I think called konsole in KDE. Since it will give you any error messages and stuff [02:58] Ubuntu is only installed to hold games for my son, all real processing is for slack [02:59] lol.. the good thing is that I taught some of them about file organization [03:00] kejen: Will do. Dude, the game works. I am so stoked. This is why I love the SLackware community. Thanks a lot for your time, man. [03:00] DenNOLA: if you can't get X to start, learn to love irssi or epic, they're both decent console-mode IRC clients [03:00] what game? [03:00] at least then you'll be able to come in here and go "X won't start, help!" [03:00] dchemlik The Penumbra Trilogy, ported to Linux, on sale this weekend only for only $5 for the whole set. [03:00] Urchlay: heh, I've had to do that a few times. [03:01] hey, what happened to frame|buffer or fart|knocker or whatever you were called earlier? :) [03:01] console-mode irc clients? Huh. Ok, will definitely investigate. [03:02] ok cool [03:02] DenNOLA: you may even find you prefer a console IRC client, even in X (I use irssi all the time, and stay in X pretty much all the time too) [03:02] Urchlay: hahahahahaha, frame|buffer. I received a complaint of sorts from dive. (j/k, he just said he liked fire|bird better, so I switched to that and said to him, better? and he said much better. :P) I like frame|buffer though. [03:03] if you use screen with irssi (or epic), you can make your IRC session persist across X restarts, move it between X and the regular console... [03:03] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [03:03] I don't suppose freenode will let me go /nick Úrchlay [03:03] nope [03:04] Urchlay: It should. [03:04] guess not [03:04] actually it looks like irssi decided it was an error, never sent it to the server [03:04] heh [03:04] or not (same result with /quote) [03:04] Nick change: fire|bird -> frame|buffer [03:05] Nick change: Urchlay -> fire|bird [03:05] haha [03:05] musical nicks! [03:05] you won't last long [03:05] Nick change: fire|bird -> Urchlay [03:05] Ok. I would ask how to do it and all but I'm totally chomping at the bit to get the shit scared out of me by this game. Gonna leave a link. Definitely worth a read. Thanks again!!! [03:05] you'd would have lasted as that about 30 seconds. :) [03:05] http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/07/17/0422200/Unusual-Physics-Engine-Game-Ported-To-Linux?art_pos=3 [03:05] eh, nobody'd ever believe I'm you. It's the beard... [03:05] Urchlay: yeah, and that beard is SO evident over irc. [03:06] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:06] Later guys. You rock. When you're in New Orleans I owe you a drink. :::poof::: [03:06] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@173.5.242.139) left irc: "Leaving" [03:06] what is Penumbra? [03:07] First person adventure game, survival horror, puzzle solving mixed in [03:07] cmair (n=cmair@host70-110-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:07] hm. I really might take him up on that, if I make it out there next Mardi Gras [03:08] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [03:08] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:09] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:10] hm, I just ran the patented one-line fire|bird random nick generator, and I got "organism|overcrowds"... that actually has meaning and is relevant to the human condition [03:10] lol [03:10] So, the patent went through already, eh? [03:11] ran it again and got "cannibals|receipts", which makes me think of a jacket someone used to wear that said "Cannibal Cafe: Eat or Be Eaten" [03:11] haha [03:11] nice [03:11] it was in fact a chef's coat (like someone might wear on Iron Chef, maybe) [03:12] Chef Cannibal, you ready? [03:12] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:13] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [03:13] Today on Iron Chef: Hannibal Lecter vs. Jeffrey Dahmer! [03:13] greetings slava_dp [03:13] Urchlay: haha [03:13] frame|buffer, hahaha, greetings! lmao [03:14] eddief (n=eddie@pool-141-157-194-27.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:14] new day, new nick :D [03:14] :) [03:14] slava_dp: yeah, I think I'll go for a nick a day. :) [03:15] slava_dp: I even have a random nick generator now. [03:15] when they arrested Dahmer, they looked in his fridge, found 2 arms, 2 legs, and one testicle [03:15] after they got him to the jail, a detective asked him "Why was there only one testicle?" [03:16] he shrugs and says, "Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't." [03:16] hahahahahahahahaha [03:16] bought myself a pci expansion card that provides 3 sata ports and one ide. it's based on Via VT6421. When i boot the kernel fails to initialize the card, goes "hard resetting link", lots of hex etc. anybody has a fix for that? [03:17] i know it's a cheapo crap, only was like $15. but nevertheless it should run (probably) [03:18] I would rather play t-o-m-e [03:18] slava_dp: the only thing I can think of is try a newer kernel (if you're not already using the newest). Not very helpful, sorry :( [03:20] MadMoney (n=madmoney@cpe-24-93-138-183.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [03:21] lol, I'm looking at the Best Buy sales ad and there's a Party rock cd titled LMFAO: Party Rock [03:21] slava_dp, or don't boot from it. [03:21] ccfreak2k, i'm not booting from it (don't know if there's even the option to), merely trying to get the attached drive recognized. [03:22] i boot from another sata drive attached to MB directly. [03:22] sil3112 by the way. works great. [03:23] slava_dp: does the card init OK if you boot with no drives attached to it? [03:23] Urchlay, never tried that. bbar (after reboot :) ) [03:23] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:26] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:28] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:31] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [03:37] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [03:40] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [03:41] wb slava_dp [03:42] no luck with the card. i've unplugged the drive, the system booted ok. then i replugged it in another port, the system hung at "gtk.immodules-something" until it spit out same "drive not ready" error. then i tried the 3rd time, booted without any drives on the card again. the system hung at something else and spit out the exact same error again. [03:42] so i guess the card is borked. [03:43] bbl [03:43] I betcha it wouldn't work in windows neither [03:44] Urchlay, you do? i don't have windows to even try unfortunately. i might succeed in returning it though. [03:45] ordered from 'net, or bought at a retail store? most stores around here anyway, don't ask many questions on returns... I think they get reimbursed by the manufacturer. [03:45] if you ordered it from someplace in taiwan, good luck :) [03:45] bought online in an local auction [03:46] the seller is from a city some 200 km away [03:47] gotta hunt for a silicon image controller.... or a marvell, though that will not be as cheap [03:47] or promise even (expensive :) ) [03:47] gregsparc_ (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [03:47] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:48] Nick change: gregsparc_ -> gregsparc [03:48] Action: slava_dp failed [03:48] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. 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[03:57] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@64.190.156.34) left irc: Client Quit [04:00] archie_ (n=archie@120.163.168.127) joined ##slackware. [04:01] Urchlay, some preliminary searching suggests that slava_dp isn't the only person with that problem. [04:02] yeah, noticed that too. via seems to be crap these days. [04:03] Action: slava_dp remembers the days when via kt266 and via kt333 were the best chipsets for amd around. heh. then came nforce and via silently died. [04:05] NviDOMNATION [04:06] NviDAMNATION :) [04:06] amen. [04:08] thanks everyone for your comments. i'm going offline, got to sync my music collection between the pc and the laptop. (using the ethernet cable which is currently attached to the adsl modem :-) ) [04:11] wait? why? [04:11] no wireless? [04:11] No switch for that matter? [04:12] CmdLnKid_ (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [04:12] I have a distributed star network and unison crond every 4 hours... so maybe I'm spoiled. 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[04:47] dchmelik: yes, all the time. :) [04:48] dchmelik: http://rageblog.org/2009/02/26/white-whale-holy-grail/ [04:48] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host43-11-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:49] Okay, no guesses. 6 Cases of beer + 1 Six Pack. [04:50] agentc0re: so what does that equal, just the rest of the weekend? :P [04:50] hehe. [04:50] I do not get that comic; I do not like it.... [04:50] dchmelik: In other words, you just don't like that which you don't understand? :P [04:51] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [04:51] well it seems to have something to do with Moby Dick [04:51] but I still do not have to like it [04:51] dchmelik: The point is, this hot chick flirted with you for hours for you to find out she's taken even after it seemed like she would have gone out on a date with you. [04:52] dchmelik: ... no. it has nothing to do with Moby dick. [04:52] that is weird [04:52] I thought it was funny. :) [04:53] frame|buffer++ [04:53] Anyway, time to get going. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening} everyone. Take Care lady, gents, and dchmelik [04:54] frame|buffer (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."). [04:59] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [05:01] tooly (n=tooly@e178145068.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [05:02] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-073-156.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [05:04] oddsock (n=oddsock@w24-59-205-23-217-static.broadband.blic.net) left ##slackware. [05:05] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." 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[06:11] yo pri4pus :) [06:13] I have a weird problem: I have some files in a folder and if I try to ls this folder, I get permission denied errors for every file and they are then colored in red on a black background, as root everything is ok [06:13] and permissions seem ok, I am the owner and the perms are even 777 [06:14] hmmm, seems the folder didn't have the proper perms actually, but as the owner of the foler, I had +rw, I don't get the probleù [06:14] m [06:14] <|alisonken1churc> Camarade_Tux: how about the directory perms? [06:15] <|alisonken1churc> because for folder, you also need +x [06:16] I just tried with +x on a folder with the same problem and it works, thanks [06:16] I need to brush up my perms [06:16] <|alisonken1churc> +x on folders is different than +x on files [06:21] cuba33ci_ (n=cuba33ci@118-160-160-162.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:22] uva (i=bno@118-168-236-233.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:22] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:23] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host43-11-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:25] jnylin (n=jnylin@c-5f72e655.177-7-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [06:31] giuppy (n=giuppy@host106-79-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:31] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434681.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:35] anyone know of a quick way to extract an iso? 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[07:32] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [07:33] Patzy: I don't use xmodmap but you probably want http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg_input_hotplugging#Modifying_hal_configuration [07:35] I looked at this. My layout is ok, I just want to switch Super_R and Menu, removing Super_R from modifiers list [07:36] after some tests it seems that the modifier table isn't the same if I run xmodmap from xinitrc or if I run it from a xterm later [07:37] looks like it's maybe not related to hal. I disabled hal and rebooted, the problem still here [07:38] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:42] anything here look like a bad idea on a 100 gig partition? [07:42] mke2fs -j -m2 -O has_journal,dir_index,sparse_super /dev/hd? [07:46] maybe i should just hand the partition over to fourth extended [07:47] t0f, what kind of ext? ext2, ext3 or ext4? 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[07:54] |alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:55] BTRFS appears to be a bit unstable [07:56] it doesn't appear to, it is :) [07:58] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:58] well, i don't want to trust my hard earned data to it in that case [07:58] LinuxEA (n=esbjorn@81.233.227.253) joined ##slackware. [07:59] ext3 just seems so darn slow, at times [07:59] xfs :) [07:59] i have no ups so ext2 is not an option [07:59] xfs? i'll look it over [08:00] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [08:00] whats the process of the new ext4? I tried it for a few weeks' but after some serious problems others' experianced I decided to go back to ext3/ext2 again.. [08:01] stamp (n=stamp@rps3538.ovh.net) joined ##slackware. [08:01] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [08:01] this says that xfs is even slower than ext3: http://oss.oracle.com/projects/btrfs/dist/documentation/benchmark.html [08:01] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:02] bah [08:02] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:02] Too bad Linux doesn't support ZFS, that would be great *wishes*... [08:02] it's not true? [08:03] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [08:03] LinuxEA: ZFS..BSD? solaris ? [08:04] yes.. [08:04] is reiser a bit quicker? seems that no one ever uses reiser anymore [08:04] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.93.164) joined ##slackware. [08:04] t0f: the page you linked to shows that xfs performs better than ext3 actually [08:04] Where can I find the httpd.conf? [08:04] LinuxEA: what are the advantages/gains say over ext4 ? [08:05] kamaji_ (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "brb" [08:05] LinuxEA: or ext3? [08:05] timahvo1: well, partition processes and overall stability... [08:06] timahvo1: In my experiance (very subjective though) , not as much defragmentation as ext3.. [08:06] hmmm [08:07] LinuxEA: to be honest my experience with zfs is ltd but never had a problem yet with good old ext3 [08:07] is there a good advantage to creating the journel on a different disk? [08:08] Please, someone, point me to a good tutorial on apache and php. [08:08] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:08] ext4 ain't stable yet but it's alot faster than ex3 that's for sure.. [08:09] LinuxEA: been on ext4 for 3 months now . works like a charm :D [08:09] cmair (n=cmair@host124-104-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:09] pri4pus: define good. begginer? [08:11] timahvo1: I've been using ext3 since it was a beta :P ... It's fast enough for me and stable... Too bad Im too stupid for BSD :P.. Lets face it, using openSolaris and it's apps. doesn't generate as much clutter as in Linux :P In linux there is always new things to try and so on.. [08:11] timahvol1: Yes, begginer [08:12] maybe i'll format my 100 gig at ext4 and rsync it to an ext3, weekly [08:12] pri4pus: http://www.w3schools.com [08:12] pri4pus: leared everything web from there [08:13] pri4pus: except apache [08:13] timahvol1: I mean how to configure. [08:13] timahvol1: But I think I have found something [08:13] t0f: From what I've heard the problems with ext4 mainly was when used as system partition.. Sound like a "safe" way to get familiar to ext4 though.. [08:13] errr, you mean "unsafe"... [08:13] ic, thanks [08:14] LinuxEA: sys partition ? [08:15] timahvo1: the partion you run your operatingsystem from not just for eg. storage ... (sry, not native speaking, a bit limited vocabulary)... [08:16] LinuxEA: gotcha ;) [08:17] LinuxEA: I think [08:17] LinuxEA: been running /boot / the works on ext4 [08:17] LinuxEA: no probs yet :D [08:19] giuppy_ (n=giuppy@host15-251-dynamic.211-62-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:21] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.82.83.185) left irc: "Leaving" [08:21] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:22] timahvo1: cool, but be aware that some ppl has experianced a total systemfailiure as result of using ext4. Ask around on th #Linuxmint support and they'll tell you. The ext4 can be chosen as standard filesystem in the latest edition of LM. [08:22] LinuxEA: backups [08:22] timahvo1: always ;) [08:22] ok, i'll stick with ext3 for a while longer [08:23] be back on ext3 before you can say ext3 [08:23] which is saying a lot [08:23] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:23] I still run ext2 on my servers [08:23] but they are oooooold.. [08:24] LinuxEA (n=esbjorn@81.233.227.253) left ##slackware. [08:24] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.21) joined ##slackware. [08:24] ext2 is not an option for me, i have power outages all the time [08:24] ext2 ? [08:24] stamp (n=stamp@rps3538.ovh.net) left ##slackware. [08:24] whats up with that dude [08:25] ? [08:25] thats so safe its sorry [08:25] second extended [08:25] john_dee (n=id@93-81-3-168.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:25] timahvo1: have you ever pulled the plug on an ext2 fs? [08:25] almost everything ends up in /lost+found [08:26] t0f: was born after MJ started doing things so no [08:28] Action: t0f must be old, he remembers formatting minix [08:28] lol [08:28] ;) [08:29] but hey if it works it works. More power to him [08:29] my first unix was SCO, yikes [08:30] 20 some years ago [08:31] giuppy (n=giuppy@host106-79-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:32] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-153.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [08:32] that was pre x11, i believe [08:33] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189.69.16.117) joined ##slackware. [08:34] i was close [08:34] The current protocol version, X11, appeared in September 1987. [08:34] can't help but respect what I don't fully understand [08:34] you paved the way [08:34] <_alisonken1churc> my first unix was sunox 4.2 - followed by linux [08:35] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.59) joined ##slackware. [08:35] <_alisonken1churc> sunos - doh! [08:35] :) [08:35] Nick change: _alisonken1churc -> alsonken1church [08:35] stupid verizon - dropping connections again [08:36] Bauer- (n=Dark@122.144.119.221) joined ##slackware. [08:36] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:36] i went from xenix to slackware. i was saved just in time (: [08:37] I went from os/2 to sls [08:37] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-50-192.lns4.bne1.internode.on.net) left ##slackware. [08:37] well, i was running DOS mostly as i learned unix [08:38] the good old days - download 8-15 floppies [08:38] i think DOS 3.3 came on 2 360k floppies [08:39] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-197.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:40] anyone used UML (user-mode linux)? [08:40] Nick change: giuppy_ -> giuppy [08:41] I want to get a chain with a floppy hangin off it, lets see p-diddy or whoever's the flavor of the month top that [08:41] anyone say ping-ping [08:41] freak out the bling-blnig'ers [08:42] Camarade_Tux: is that a spin off of LFS? [08:42] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:43] t0f: no, not at all, it's a "virtualization" technique where the host kernel runs as a user-mode process in the guest [08:44] sounds interesting [08:44] he, you can run linux as a windows user-mode process ;) [08:45] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [08:46] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [08:46] Sumo\ (n=Dark@122.144.119.221) left irc: Success [08:48] njathan (i=1000@203.115.79.53) joined ##slackware. [08:48] how can i find out what port mysql is running on? [08:49] njathan: netstat ? [08:49] netstat -an | grep -i sql [08:49] i did that i foung the following: unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 8469 /var/run/mysql/mysql.sock [08:51] the my-huge.cnf, my-large.cnf, my-medium.cnf, my-small.cnf all say "port = 3306", but i cannot grep 3306 on netstat does not show up anything :-( [08:52] and mysql is running for sure, as i am running drupal with it... [08:52] nmap -p0-65555 localhost maybe? [08:52] 65535 that is [08:54] tooly (n=tooly@e178145068.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [08:54] nmap too does not show up mysql :-( [08:55] ah, ok [08:55] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [08:55] All 65536 scanned ports on localhost (127.0.0.1) are closed, geez [08:55] t0f, ss is another way to check [08:55] if it's not in there, it definitely isn't listening [08:56] njathan: maybe you talk to it via a unix socket and not a tcp connection [08:56] yes, ss shows ircd [08:56] hi [08:57] is that what this is supposed to mean - "unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 8469 /var/run/mysql/mysql.sock" [08:57] njathan, it means you have a UNIX Domain Socket for it [08:57] that's a non-TCP/IP way of communicating [08:58] njathan: see in your my.cnf, is skip-networking commented out [08:58] since it can be locked down with UNIX-style permissions and MAC systems in much more versatile ways than TCP/IP it's more secure [08:59] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl19-221.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:59] ml4711_, yes skip-networking is commented [08:59] ml4711_, should i uncomment it to make it listen on port 3306? [08:59] hi! [09:01] accoring to the 2nd post here: http://lamscommunity.org/dotlrn/clubs/technicalcommunity/forums/message-view?message_id=816773#816888 , i had not bothered uncommenting it [09:02] njathan: no, because it says skip-networking [09:02] raw (n=ilove@p54874195.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:02] nah [09:03] seems that patches from packages.debian.org work :) [09:03] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:04] when you have so many config files in /etc/ - my-huge.cnf, my-large.cnf, my-medium.cnf, my-small.cnf - which one are you supposed to refer? [09:04] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:05] njathan: the right one [09:05] njathan: The one to use is my.cnf, you copy the one of te other you want to use to my.cnf [09:05] njathan: read the notes at the beginning of each one of my-[small-medium-large].cnf - each one i sdesigned with defaults for [small-medium-large] database useage [09:06] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:06] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.218.49.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: [09:08] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:08] nvision (n=nvision@pD9532D7D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:10] who was working at dreamhost already? [09:10] ml4711_ (n=morten@0x50a5a9d6.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: "leaving" [09:12] ml4711 (n=morten@80.165.169.214) joined ##slackware. [09:12] I was only concerned by df's output : 492G -8.0Z 1.9T 101% [09:13] i copied my-medium.cnf to the data dir (/var/lib/mysql) as per the instruction in the config file. Upon restarting, i get the message - "Datadir is deprecated place for my.cnf, please move it to /usr" [09:14] ml4711, where in /usr/ is the my.cnf supposed to be? (i already tried copying to /etc/ but to no fruitful result ) [09:16] njathan: It's in /etc in slackware 12.1 [09:17] High_Priest (i=1000@cable-89-216-149-185.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [09:17] ave High_Priest [09:18] hail Wizard [09:18] :) [09:18] nah, i suppose we both had to much fantasy/rpg/whatever once.. [09:18] :) [09:19] /usr/include/bits/stdio-lock.h:24: no such file or dir.. [09:19] :( [09:19] Camarade_Tux: I would be one [09:19] ml4711, then i already have my-medium.cnf copied to /etc folder, but neither netstat, nor nmap shows 3306 :-( [09:19] ml4711, copied my-medium.cnf as my.cnf [09:19] Camarade_Tux: remember - the 101% is probably due to nfs mounts [09:20] hey ppl, I'm looking for a traffic shaping/bandwidth management script to prioritize my ssh/irc traffic when torrent is running.. [09:20] any suggestions? [09:21] njathan: also se in /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld (the startscript) there might be the line SKIP="--skip-networking", you should also uncomment to use a TCP connection [09:22] alsonken1church: I've never used nfs, it simply seemed weird ;p [09:22] Camarade_Tux: we run into that all of the time - the nfs mounts can kick the du % over 100 :) [09:22] High_Priest: there are shell scripts like wondershaper and similar that let you choose some variables like speed ports etc and do the rest [09:23] alsonken1church: ok ;p [09:23] ml4711, Oh yes! there is a $SKIP [09:23] commenting now... [09:24] good to go!! thanks ml4711... its now listening on the port :-) [09:24] cybertitan (n=demoncyb@155.86.215.200.res.nat.netvision.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:25] njathan: Nice [09:29] nvision (n=nvision@pD9532D7D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:32] Please, help! PHP does not work with apache: http://pastebay.com/31519 [09:32] High_Priest: for a simple one read also this http://pastebin.ca/1500079 [09:34] thanks Lord_Khelben [09:34] i just typed it so there may be some typos [09:34] instead of using the -j MARK you can also use -j CLASSIFY directly [09:35] pri4pus: in the httpd.conf you pasted there is a line which includes the mod_php.conf and it is commented [09:36] it says it "# Uncomment the following line to enable PHP:" [09:36] Lord_Khelben: Ups, I missed that. [09:37] you can also enable ssl or anything else you want [09:37] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:37] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-217-200.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:37] Lord_Khelben: No, it does not work. [09:38] blacksheep (n=blackshe@97-115-178-251.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: "Peace!" [09:38] did you restart the apache ? [09:38] Yes. [09:39] Lord_Khelben: http://pastebay.com/31524 [09:40] Lord_Khelben, btw my ssh port is not 22 but I'll change that :) [09:40] Lord_Khelben: Because I have added the 117 line. I think. [09:40] change the 22 then to the port of sshd [09:40] yeah [09:40] you can also add ack packets [09:41] to the high priority [09:41] Action: High_Priest brb, restarting [09:42] High_Priest (i=1000@cable-89-216-149-185.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "..." [09:42] pri4pus: what url are you trying in the browser ? [09:43] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-28-138.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:44] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:44] Lord_Khelben: One moment. [09:46] Techtronic (n=turbutge@77.90.71.6) left irc: Client Quit [09:48] Lord_Khelben: I have made a very stupid mistake... It says that I have no rights to access localhost/test.php [09:49] giuppy_ (n=giuppy@host160-175-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:49] ah ok. does it work now ? [09:51] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434681.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:51] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-217-200.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [09:52] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [09:52] Lord_Khelben: Yes! It works! [09:52] Thank you! [09:52] :) nice [09:54] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [09:54] Lord_Khelben: If I change the default DocumentRoot destination, how shall I set the owner rights? [09:55] For example: DocumentRoot "/home/user/superpuper" [09:56] the user apache run as (apache if you don't change it) needs read privileges [09:57] you can also include the userdir config so you can put webpages in /home/user/public_html and then use http://hostname/~user to see the pages [09:57] without changing documentroot [09:59] I thought apache runs as "nobody". [09:59] ccfreak2k: apache 1 used to run as nobody. i checked /etc/passwd to make sure and there is a apache user [09:59] that is why i mentioned apache [10:00] giuppy (n=giuppy@host15-251-dynamic.211-62-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:00] Lord_Khelben: To whom shall I set the directory owner then? [10:00] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [10:00] And what group? [10:01] pri4pus: the files in /var/www that come with the slackware apache package are owned by root:root [10:01] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.18.114) joined ##slackware. [10:02] if the user apache has read permission then it doesn't need to own the files [10:02] i don't know which is better from security point of view (root or apache) [10:03] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-81-107-69-192.bmly.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:04] Lord_Khelben: user apache with noshell is usually sufficient [10:04] alsonken1church: yes. i was referring to the ownership of the files not the user apache runs as [10:05] pri4pus: i don't use apache so i don't have much experience, but since Pat has /var/www as root owned i guess its better that way [10:05] so was I [10:05] Lord_Khelben: Thank you a lot! [10:05] ah i am sorry then. the "noshell" confused me [10:06] the noshell was just to make sure that the user apache doesn't have shell access [10:06] /quit [10:06] Action: LnxSlck rejoices in antecipation... slackware is upgrading ... [10:06] wtf, my slash broke :\ [10:06] init[1] (i=buffer@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [10:06] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:07] giuppy_ (n=giuppy@host160-175-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [10:07] the only drawback to the files being owned by apache i can think of is a local user in the machine can have a php delete the files while if root owns them he can't do that [10:07] High_Priest (i=1000@cable-89-216-149-185.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [10:07] but as i said i don't have experience with apache so don't hold me on that :) [10:07] Lord_Khelben, your script works like a charm :) [10:07] TriniTuX (n=clayton@cuscon123487.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [10:08] Lord_Khelben, downloading @ full d/l speed and lag is 0.4s [10:08] i forgot to put ack packets. with ack packets it will be even better [10:09] also if you lan interface is different than your wan interface you can omit the 100mbit chain i put [10:09] Lord_Khelben, nevermind, I'm quite happy with this [10:09] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:10] sQuEE` (n=narya@host20.201-252-18.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "fnord!!" [10:10] the new/better way is to use -j CLASSIFY which makes the script have half lines and its easier to understand [10:11] hudymoreira (n=root@189-46-13-81.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:11] hi folks, whats the approx full install of Slack 13 minus /kdei /y /e ? [10:11] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [10:11] blacksheep (n=blackshe@97-115-178-251.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [10:12] where else besides SBo can i get packages from? [10:12] i need 'ncurses-devel' [10:12] blacksheep: why do you need that ? [10:12] somewhere, somehow, but no SBo for it [10:12] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:12] slackware doesn't split packages to normal and -devel [10:12] ncurses-devel is likely just "ncurses" [10:13] slackware doesnt' split headers from packages [10:13] I'm asking because I've been on slackware-current since slackware 12.0 and du is 7gigs..(i've installed few packages) [10:13] most likely the files you need are already included with ncurses package [10:13] Lord_Khelben: root@a6223w:/usr/src/linux# make menuconfig [10:13] scripts/kconfig/mconf arch/x86/Kconfig [10:13] drivers/video/Kconfig:2058: can't open file "drivers/video/bootsplash/Kconfig" [10:13] Channel flood from blacksheep -- kicking [10:13] make[1]: *** [menuconfig] Error 1 [10:13] make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2 [10:13] blacksheep kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [10:13] blacksheep (n=blackshe@97-115-178-251.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [10:13] :x sorry [10:13] too much eh? [10:13] you should be [10:13] sQuEE (n=narya@host20.201-252-18.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [10:13] blacksheep: gotta remember pastebin.ca [10:14] well ok, so whats the policy on pasteing [10:14] blacksheep: 3 lines and slackboy kicks you [10:14] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [10:14] more than how many lines should go to paste bin [10:14] 3 lines is OK, any more to a pastebin :> [10:14] use a pastebin like http://pastebin.ca [10:14] as many as needed for us to understand [10:14] ok thanks, now i know :D [10:14] TriniTuX (n=clayton@cuscon123487.tstt.net.tt) left irc: "Leaving" [10:14] well Lord_Khelben did u get those 4 lines? [10:14] blacksheep: we saw until menuconfig error 2 [10:15] it said it can't open fiile drivers/video/bootsplash/Kconfig [10:15] wait a sec [10:15] yea ok, the ncurses was when i tryed 'make menuconfig' as $ [10:16] i have ncurses [10:16] just my user account couldent use it, so the tru problem is what i posted [10:16] then the true problem is that the above file is missing [10:16] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-80-206.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:16] my tree doesn't have drivers/video/bootsplash directory [10:16] Lord_Khelben: Kconfig [10:16] did you patch your tree ? [10:17] yes [10:17] did you see the output patch gave ? maybe something didn't patch ok [10:17] let me check [10:17] i thought it went ok [10:18] well actualy, because of a previously applied patch [10:18] then cd to that dir and check if the file exists [10:18] it kept asking me if i wanted them to assume -R [10:18] and i kept giving it 'y' [10:18] probably thats your reason. something didn't go well when patching [10:19] is it possible to 'unpatch' the kernel source somehow? [10:19] because a month ago i patched it with the wronge *.diff file [10:19] for 2.6.26 [10:20] im running 2.6.27 [10:20] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-203.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:20] since you are compiling a custom kernel why use 2.6.27 when 2.6.30 is out ? [10:20] :o.. [10:20] tell me more [10:21] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-86-27-232-53.popl.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Success [10:21] unless this bootsplash patch exists only for kernels up to 2.6.27 then i shut up :) [10:21] ahh rats.. [10:21] they only go up to *.28 [10:22] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-28-138.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:22] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:25] blacksheep: just get a fresh copy of untouched kernel source from kernel.org [10:25] Pig_Pen: how do i replace the one thats there now? [10:25] in /usr/src/linux [10:26] nevermind [10:26] i just relized how it works [10:27] asking questions like that makes me wonder how you manage to build a working kernel from source, but strangers things have happned [10:27] /usr/src/linux -> untared source dir [10:27] High_Priest (i=1000@cable-89-216-149-185.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "..." [10:27] Pig_Pen: u should see my slack laptop [10:28] jnylin (n=jnylin@c-5f72e655.177-7-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [10:29] njathan (i=1000@203.115.79.53) left irc: "Leaving" [10:30] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [10:31] post a photo somewhere [10:33] When you are writing docs for a gnu app. How should you format the usage line? For example the use has to have either --add or --remove but --seq and --force are optional. so.... ( --add | --remove ) [--seq] [--force] ? [10:33] yea that'd b cool [10:33] the user* [10:34] I think you make two different lines [10:34] but I'm not sure [10:35] ok sure [10:39] armence (n=alexandr@c-67-188-229-128.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:39] nvision (n=nvision@pD9535E34.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:40] ok today, im going to reinstall slack [10:40] put the newest kernel in it [10:41] and set it up as an email server [10:42] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [10:42] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:45] So, is there any way to configure my CLI to display longer lines on the screen? [10:45] sixxy (n=sixx@client-82-3-75-33.manc.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:45] anyone use umtsmon [10:46] me [10:46] penumbra collection purchased \o/ [10:47] pprkut, you use it for 3g modems [10:47] sixxy: what's the problem? [10:47] yes [10:47] say something about sudo [10:47] i started it as root [10:47] Also, is elinks in any of the repositories, it's nicer than links [10:48] giuppy (n=giuppy@host189-174-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:48] no, but slackbuilds.org has elinks [10:48] Pig_Pen: thanks [10:48] sixxy: you can run umtsmon with either sudo or root [10:48] pprkut: you were right. in system settings/desktop effects mine crashes too. the icons show fine and so i didn't notice the other problems [10:49] Lord_Khelben: hehe. It seems fixed here with latest pixman downgrade [10:49] titopoquito (n=tito@p508EC916.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Verlassend" [10:49] do the release candidate usually last this long? [10:49] yes i installed it too 1-2 hours ago [10:50] armence: "vga=extended" in lilo.conf, 80x50 text. There are various framebuffer modes shown as comments in the default lilo.conf. Also, some video cards have their own framebuffer drivers. [10:50] jonsmith1982: i would rather wait for it than see it kicked out the door before it is ready like some other distros do [10:50] armence: another thing, the word "repository" is not applicable in Slackware like it is in Fedora or Debian. [10:51] sixxy: beware though, umtsmon is designed *not* to run as root (or with sudo) [10:51] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.18.114) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:52] k ive just started it up pprkut ....says missing binary version n/a hi! ? [10:52] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.60.216) joined ##slackware. [10:52] rob0: thanks [10:53] sixxy: huh? [10:53] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [10:53] Binary USB mode switcher is missing and that's minor << --- does that help [10:54] that's for older kernels [10:54] Can somebody recommend me a program for website download? For offline view. [10:54] sixxy: you won't need that on 12.2 or higher [10:54] your went ok with 12.2 pprkut ....i didnt install kde would that be a prob ? [10:55] no, but it does need qt(3) [10:55] i installed from source ....seemed to install ok [10:55] no errors [10:56] pprkut, can i cp the errors in paste ..will take a look ? [10:56] pastebin* [10:56] emosaurass (n=emosaura@c-98-230-191-150.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:56] sure [10:57] sixxy: your user is part of the groups uucp and/or dialout? [10:57] pri4pus, wget can trawl websites and keep a local copy. [10:57] http://pastebin.com/m7a9dc4ed [10:58] im not sure pprkut ...it's a vodafone 3g usb modem [10:58] oh i see [10:58] could it be a permission issue [10:59] whats going on today [10:59] jonsmith1982: Thank you! I have tried it but I had some problems with the site after that. Trying again. [11:00] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.21) left irc: [11:01] sixxy: there's no error message in there. Does umtsmon start? [11:01] does this webstart thing work for you guys http://www.chroniclogic.com/zat_download.htm [11:01] yeah i get app come up [11:02] argg i dont want java just to try a game heh [11:02] sixxy: then all deps are there [11:02] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.31) joined ##slackware. [11:02] sixxy: make sure you are in the group uucp/dialout and try connecting your phone [11:02] err modem [11:02] nvision (n=nvision@pD9535E34.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:02] how do i do that pprkut ? [11:03] what users if i start it up as sudo ? [11:05] bash-3.1$ javaws /tmp/zatikon.jnlp seems to be working :P [11:05] i had java but not the browser plugin [11:06] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [11:06] What may be the reason I can not access localhost/index.php?id\=10 but localhost/index.html? [11:06] pprkut, what goup would i have put into uucp/dialout ? [11:06] emosaurass: jnlp is java webstart, maybe you need some special option for running it... but anyway, jnlp is not java plugin [11:06] pri4pus| that doesnt make any sense [11:06] make the same [11:07] higuita| cool, well i just manually started it [11:07] in 3 minutes it will be done downloading zatikon [11:07] I can access localhost/index.html but I can not acces localhost/index.php?id\=10 [11:07] What may be the reason/ [11:07] pri4pus| index.php doesnt exist [11:07] emosaurass: It does. [11:08] And php works woth apache. [11:08] Sorry! And php works with apache. [11:08] check the error log of course [11:08] sixxy: ah, yeah, right, sudo. well root obviously, but I guess he's already in there [11:08] tail -n 50 /var/log/httpd/error_log [11:08] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:08] yeah roots there [11:09] and your worked from straight off pprkut ? [11:09] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-153.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:09] emosaurass: What means unable to stat? [11:09] sixxy, have you looked up the pci id of the device? that may offer some help. [11:09] pri4pus| do ls -l /var/www/htdocs/*.php [11:09] pri4pus: what does the error log say, exactly? [11:10] s0d0 (n=john@host86-175-193-123.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [11:10] lspci jonsmith1982 ? [11:10] armence_ (n=alexandr@c-67-188-229-128.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:10] yeah lspci -n [11:10] I had left a forum unattended (and dead) for more than one year now and I just deleted 12000 members... [11:10] jonsmith1982, it's a usb device [11:10] armence (n=alexandr@c-67-188-229-128.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:10] Camarade_Tux| how many were spammers [11:11] or had 0 posts [11:11] then lsusb [11:11] all of them [11:11] Bus 003 Device 003: ID 12d1:1003 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. E220 HSDPA Modem / E270 HSDPA/HSUPA Modem [11:11] yes, that one should work right away [11:11] before I put the forum in maintenance mode, there was about 1 spam message per minute [11:11] (or more) [11:11] heh [11:12] sixxy look up 12d1:1003 [11:12] what google ? [11:12] yeah [11:12] k [11:13] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.160.209) joined ##slackware. [11:13] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-175-215.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [11:13] emosaurass: http://pastebay.com/31536 [11:13] thumbs: One moment pls. [11:13] pri4pus| lolol [11:14] did you get those with wget or something [11:14] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.2.22) left irc: "Leaving." [11:14] pri4pus: the query string should not be part of the file name. [11:14] emosaurass: Right, wget! [11:15] try localhost/index.php?id=1 [11:15] pri4pus: the query string is appended to the URI, not the actual file name. [11:15] try localhost/index.php?id=4 [11:15] pri4pus: you need to have a file called index.php in that directory [11:16] pri4pus: no ? crap afterwards. Just index.php [11:17] yeah ! "is a leading web 2.0/3.0 development company", web 3.0 ! [11:17] thumbs: So, how do I get that with wget? :-) [11:18] pri4pus: where did you get that index.php file from, exactly? [11:18] CmdLnKid_ (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:18] pri4pus: you can simply rename any of those files to index.php [11:18] is there a pastebin for images ? [11:19] like screen shots [11:19] yes [11:19] my interactive php is all borked [11:19] got a link BP{k} [11:19] thumbs: I used wget --mirror -p --HTML-extension ?-convert-links to get the website. [11:19] bash-3.1$ php [11:19] PHP Warning: PHP Startup: mm_create(0, /var/lib/php/session_mm_cli1000) failed, err mm:core: failed to open semaphore file (Permission denied) in Unknown on line 0 [11:19] imageshack [11:19] emosaurass: you should ask ##php [11:19] cheers [11:19] sixxy: I like omploader.org [11:20] sixxy: http://imagebin.org [11:20] thumbs: What is the right way to get a website with wget? [11:20] pri4pus: that depends on what the website is. [11:20] Camarade_Tux| jeez /vMXY5OA NSFW [11:21] thumbs: ? This is the website: linux.md [11:21] pri4pus: you want to mirror the site? [11:21] hey [11:21] emosaurass: semaphore indicates you need to increase your semaphores so more files/pipes can be opened [11:21] how do i run QuakeLive on linux [11:21] thumbs: Yes [11:22] thumbs: wget -m linux.md ? [11:22] emosaurass: my eyes! [11:22] pri4pus: I believe it's -R something [11:23] http://imagebin.org/56403 [11:23] pprkut, thats what i get [11:24] thumbs: OK, I will read about. [11:24] emosaurass, thumbs: Thank you! [11:25] http://imagebin.org/56407 [11:26] is there a pakage usb mode switcher ? [11:26] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:27] gez512 (n=b@host-87-242-37-28.prtelecom.hu) joined ##slackware. [11:30] sixxy (n=sixx@client-82-3-75-33.manc.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:30] quakelive on linux?? [11:31] pri4pus: the problem with wget is that for php, for instance, you'll download the html output, not the php code. [11:31] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [11:31] pri4pus: the best solution is to ask permission from the webmaster to get his code. [11:32] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. 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[12:00] doesnt crash but doesnt connect...grabs the mouse but the fullscreen window never comes up [12:02] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [12:04] armence_ (n=alexandr@c-67-188-229-128.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:07] hmm weird. most of the mirrors dont have a complete list of the documentation TXT's. in particular the README.* ones [12:07] Bonix (n=Bonix@189-90-196-253.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:08] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: [12:11] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [12:12] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:12] CmdLnKid_ (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [12:13] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. 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[12:28] CmdLnKid_ (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:30] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: Client Quit [12:31] are there any other sites like freshmeat.net and sf.net [12:31] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [12:31] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:31] berlios.de [12:32] true [12:32] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_software_hosting_facilities [12:32] wowow [12:33] thanks [12:33] emosaurass, rtm is out and you're still harassing rc?! :p [12:34] well where do i download RTM [12:34] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [12:35] on the internets, where else [12:35] well microsofts site gave me this version whatever it is [12:36] keyword: bittorrent. it's everywhere now, i guess [12:36] meh, ill probably play with it for an hour and delete it anyway [12:37] tho, it's not real rtm. it's signed, but will be packaged by the end of next week [12:37] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:37] has anyone played with winxp and virtualbox + opengl yet [12:39] did slackware-current update to firefox 3.5.1 yet [12:39] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-203.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:39] changelog says it did [12:39] k [12:39] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-6-165.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:39] /home/slackware64-current/slackware64/xap/mozilla-firefox-3.5.1-x86_64-2.txz [12:39] i use this Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.1) Gecko/20090718 IceCat/3.5.1 [12:39] its superior [12:40] rofl [12:40] gnuzilla.gnu.org [12:40] why is it superior again? [12:41] i missed that part [12:41] IceCat? [12:41] its approved by RMS [12:41] i thought it was IceWeasel? [12:41] less bloated, no copyright materials, more secure and better privacy controls [12:41] s/approved/scented/ [12:41] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:41] blessed [12:41] works exactly the same as firefox otherwise [12:43] the debian/gnu copyright issues with firefox were childish to begin with [12:43] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: "êîãäà ÿ óìåð íåáûëî íèêîãî, êòî áû ýòî îïðîâåðã" [12:44] i wonder why debian doesn't use icecat [12:44] because.. iceweasel blows. [12:45] firefox is getting bloated and more integrated with big brother google [12:45] i3lack0p (n=wsp4th@adsl-074-167-057-025.sip.jan.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [12:45] as soon as they changed the default toolbar style and integrated google into the url bar i stopped using firefox [12:45] more bloated? it's actually improved so far [12:45] in the russian version, they integrate yandex [12:45] it's a popularity thing [12:45] i consider fischer price ui's bloated [12:45] and the google agreement ends in 2011 IIRC [12:46] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) joined ##slackware. [12:46] then i'm glad you're not using firefox, heaven forbid you also see their youtube and other search plugins [12:46] they have an agreement with google? i thought they were just being trendy [12:46] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [12:46] "omg and they sold out to youtube also!" [12:47] greetings [12:47] AND YAHOO!!! [12:47] don't forget ebay! the madness! [12:47] "and yahoo and amazon and ebay!!!" [12:47] do the other search plugins send every keystroke to google/whatever to populate a list? [12:47] i know, i can barely stand the madness!!! [12:47] and it helps me search! it must be a conspiracy!! [12:47] that's google's "enhanced" search garbage, i could care less about it [12:48] echo "255.255.255.255 clients1.google.com" >> /etc/hosts [12:48] hey guys..i have a series of cds and installing but now for some reason i cannot eject cdrom because its busy aparently..and im on number 3out of 5 is there a way to eject it? apart from eject cdrom [12:48] the button doesnt work either [12:48] The-Croupier, "eject" in a console/shell ? [12:48] TwinReverb: yep [12:48] and/or "fusers /dev/cdrom" ? [12:48] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [12:48] try eject force [12:48] (to see what is using it) [12:48] The-Croupier| get out of any terminals/prompts that are within its mount point AKA pwd = /mnt/cdrom4, then try to unmount or eject [12:49] maybe eject -f [12:49] eject -T [12:49] if all else fails, use a paperclip 8-) [12:50] TwinReverb: paperclip its been so long :( damn... [12:50] it is responsive...just has this little problem [12:50] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [12:50] i dont want to stop the installer at this point..damn... [12:51] installer?! [12:51] I have an issue... Last week due to firewall failure I have about 2000 relay denyed emails sent to the postmaster sitting in my root's mailbox on my tomcat server... the emails were generated in java servlet... is there a way to repost the relay denied emails from the root mailbox back to sendmail? [12:51] TwinReverb: WoW...wanted to try it...:( [12:52] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [12:52] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:52] you can download all of wow so you dont need cds [12:53] skepsi (n=xxxx@94.127.129.34) joined ##slackware. [12:53] Action: TwinReverb eats an MRE [12:53] yeah...i know but i do have the originall...that is not the point though..is it... what if its not wow..and it is something else... that i need to do this [12:53] The-Croupier| then you make isos and mount the isos instead of using the physical drive perhaps [12:53] fuser /dev/cdrom [12:54] that should tell you who is using the device [12:54] skepsi (n=xxxx@94.127.129.34) left irc: Client Quit [12:54] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Gameover" [12:55] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [12:56] fuser /dev/cdrom... tell me nothing..shows nothing.. but eject cdrom..automagically started working after fuser /dev/cdrom [12:56] hax [12:56] o.O [12:57] on the same disk..but i had to stop the installer..:( damn [12:58] windows 7 has a little humming bird graphic....why [12:58] humm hummm dont know [12:58] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "brab" [12:59] they sure know how to polish a turd [12:59] there was a fantasy some guys have (wierd guys) of women humming on their bird..who knows...maybe...they have the same fantasy [12:59] pulsating windows logo looks like a swastika to me [12:59] because haha [12:59] nevermind [12:59] its some twitter crap [13:00] how many of these facebook,twitter,twatter..are going to come up [13:00] Action: The-Croupier wonders [13:00] probably too many [13:00] twatter is nice. going to register a TM for a pron site [13:01] http://i31.tinypic.com/inwri1.gif [13:01] :P [13:01] haha [13:01] there are too many as it is [13:01] works for orchestrated "colour revolutions" too [13:02] I have an issue... Last week due to firewall failure I have about 2000 relay denyed emails sent to the postmaster sitting in my root's mailbox on my tomcat server... the emails were generated in java servlet... is there a way or any scripts to repost the relay denied emails from the root mailbox back to sendmail as the orginal emails? [13:02] supergear_ (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [13:02] at least we still have 140 character attention spans and a healthy narcisistic exhibitionist society! [13:03] emosaurass: too many unknown words there for me .. i got nothing of your last statement [13:05] The-Croupier, www.reference.com [13:06] OMG windows 7 ultimate is all shiny! totalyl worth 600 dollars [13:07] my computer has never been so distracting! [13:07] supergear_ (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:07] [13:07] i hope i can do a spinny cube [13:07] lol [13:07] so i can impress all my ubuntu friends [13:08] rofl [13:08] almost spit my coffee [13:08] the only purpose to the cube is impressing people [13:08] people that probably don't like you anyways [13:08] my mom says im cool [13:09] love != like [13:09] i feel like a retard even booting this [13:09] Action: TwinReverb wonders what the MRE makers meant when they said "cinnamon imperials" [13:09] OH WOW a siamese fighting fish is the default background [13:09] Action: TwinReverb stabs emosaurass [13:10] ITS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL OS EVER CLONED FROM OSX [13:10] pfft [13:10] i especially like the little bubbles the fish is blowing....blowing my mind [13:10] my Xfce looks better when it's arranged like OS X (notice i said arranged, not cloned) [13:10] supergear_ (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [13:11] ok it booted to desktop...how do i rm -rf / on windows 7 [13:11] rtfm [13:11] oh sweet wordpad! [13:11] Bonix (n=Bonix@189-90-196-253.isimples.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [13:11] and Magnifier and...holy crap calc.exe [13:12] im so content [13:12] wtf .. 600 dollars for an fucking operating system? [13:12] are you kidding? [13:12] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:12] not just an operating system [13:13] the shiniest one evar! [13:13] o.O [13:13] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:13] C:\Windows\system32\cmd.exe - del /F /S /Q * [13:13] take a look at his irc nickname and tell me you didn't see that one coming [13:13] easy people like shiny things [13:13] 600 hundred? u on drugs? [13:13] access is denied to like all the files its trying [13:13] it's 300 [13:13] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@189.110.79.42) left irc: "assistir formula truck" [13:13] %)) [13:14] wheres an op when you need one, emosaurass needs the boot right in the arse [13:14] john_dee: In europe it costs nearly 600, iirc [13:14] Mexican: [MRE] a dish that has jalapenos in it (see French) [13:14] French: [MRE] anything with vanilla in it (see Mexican) [13:14] akira42, wow. i guess it's a discount for not shipping ie :D [13:14] Pig_Pen| lurk moar [13:15] i cant run Solitaire because hardware acceleration is disabled... [13:15] wtf [13:15] ahahahaha [13:15] oh enver mind its running "software mode" it was just a warning [13:15] oh STFU emosaurass all youve done in here is blather brainless crap for over an hour, why dont you go surf some pr0n or something [13:15] +1 [13:15] microsoft's answer to vista: design an operating system that works without hardware acceleration but won't let you run anything without it [13:16] so instead of not running, it runs, just tells you that you can't have what you want lol [13:16] man....the solitaire cards...one of them the jack of clubs has a icy moutnain and two twitter birds in a little nest [13:17] i like how the default window borders are 20 pixels [13:17] im 80 years old so its a nice feature [13:17] >.< [13:19] ok so fresh win7 build 7100 and a del /S /Q /F c:\* leaves you with 5.13 gb used [13:19] emosaurass: you among other people should know that you are in a linux channel, you had a century to know that [13:19] in this nearly a century of your life you should know no windows questions in linux channel [13:19] its like telling your wife you have been with another woman [13:20] except the irc channel doesn't stab you in your sleep [13:20] nothing good comes after that.... [13:20] TwinReverb: you never know [13:20] im just kidding...this place was dead...mr topic cop [13:20] Action: TwinReverb stabs The-Croupier [13:20] enriquefynn (i=enriquef@189.105.65.22) joined ##slackware. [13:21] Action: The-Croupier hires online assassin, /whois TwinReverb , cp address > mail silentAss@hotmail.com end& [13:21] Action: The-Croupier keeps checking the screen for bounties.. [13:21] never met a silent ass [13:22] hahahaha emosaurass if you ever did..you wouldnt be here and we would be happy [13:22] holywars are over. ppl don't give a sh*t what os they are using as long as it's eyecandy an easy to use [13:22] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3ID2CbtnKk [13:23] :) [13:23] john_dee: yep...thats what sells most of the time..and thats why people like me still have a job ;) [13:23] holywars are over? May the source be with you! [13:23] if you can't make it stable, i guess make it look good while it breaks [13:24] TwinReverb: break it with a style ;) hahaha [13:24] the bluescreen of death now has anti-aliased fonts!!! [13:24] john_dee, nice lol [13:25] yeah people are dumb [13:25] ........>read above <....... [13:26] i'm probably one of the few people out there that would've noticed they are running AMAROK and KDE4 [13:26] wonder if i could market guns and bullets as fast track to the afterlife, or..like you write what animal you want to reincarnate as on the bullet [13:26] it was blatant but they were like "oh cool!" lol [13:27] enriquefynn (i=enriquef@189.105.65.22) left irc: [13:27] granted i set up Amanda's Xfce to be arranged more like Mac OS X and she said she liked it, it reminded her of Mac OS X lol [13:27] http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionary [13:28] that video doesnt make much sense cause all of the interviewed people dont even know linux/kde exists [13:28] and that's simply arranging the icons and stuff for her [13:28] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [13:28] sahko, it makes a lot of sense: that the majority of people out there are simply mindless ignorant cattle to be herded about [13:28] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [13:28] or just people who just wanna get things done and dont care whats under the hood. [13:28] yep [13:29] TwinReverb| its cool to follow the herd! [13:29] Amanda likes Slackware 13.0 rc1 better than Vista and half the stuff is broke on her install of Slackware because I haven't gotten a chance to configure it all for her [13:29] that's how sad Vista is [13:29] i wonder what the results would be on a test with windows 7 on KDE 3 users. that would be far more interesting [13:29] be sure you hire someone to clean up the puke [13:30] dan (n=dan@dpc6746116026.direcpc.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [13:30] dan_ (n=dan@dpc6746116026.direcpc.com) joined ##slackware. [13:31] macbook wheel HAHhaha [13:31] i love that video [13:31] DarkGable (n=ray@76.114.161.73) joined ##slackware. [13:31] how does the onion do such amazing videos [13:31] so it seems by the way that vista's concept of keeping Linux shut out is to configure four or more primary/secondary partitions so that people have to do major surgery to add more partitions [13:32] sadly, when you install slackware, everything is broken until you configure it. :-/ [13:32] unlike noob-buntu [13:32] but sadly, when you configure it, it runs better than almost all "do it for you" distributions [13:32] campassi| if you say so [13:32] indeed twinreverb [13:32] you probably havent used gentoo or arch or DIY disros in general [13:32] once it works... it works [13:32] id say quite the contrary [13:32] "ill buy almost anything if its shiny and made by apple" [13:32] i'd rather be promised nothing than to be promised everything and get only half of what i'm promised [13:32] once slackware works, it works. [13:32] most things work out of the box on slackware. at least for a desktop [13:33] slackware pretty much works out of the box.......id say [13:33] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:33] and anything yo need to configure is vanilla style (THANK THE LARD) [13:33] <_budo> does slack use ndiswrapper or a separate tool to configure wireless [13:34] i don't recall ndiswrapper coming with Slackware [13:34] brb [13:34] TwinReverb| http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/sheeple.png [13:36] what does an emosaurass look like [13:36] <_budo> the wireless is showing up in slackware [13:36] <_budo> do i just try to probe it? [13:37] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:37] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:38] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-6-165.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:39] <_budo> ok it reports no firmware [13:39] <_budo> that means it need a driver right? [13:39] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-76-2.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:39] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:39] _budo, what card? [13:39] <_budo> netgear wg111t [13:41] <_budo> i know it can work on linux because pclinuxos did it [13:41] jnylin (n=jnylin@c-5f72e655.177-7-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Leaving" [13:41] lspci, paste the single line for the wireless card. [13:41] JAJMaster (i=Plowman@cpe-65-189-249-115.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:42] or, if you can't figure out which one it is, pastebin the whole lspci output plus lsmod [13:43] I recently moved from an older version of slackware (with Samba 3.0.23c) to Slack 12.2 (with Samba 3.2.13). If I run the old smbd/nmbd binaries everything works fine. If I run the new ones I can use smbclient from the server to itself, but windows clients can't connect to shares (generic windows connection error) [13:43] <_budo> usb dongle will list under lspci? [13:43] any suggestions? or more info request? [13:43] <_budo> shouldnt i use lsusb? [13:45] JAJMaster, Are you using the same config files from the old Samba install? You might want to try it with the stock configuration to see if that works. [13:45] JAJMaster| /etc/samba/smb.conf.new ? [13:45] <_budo> lsusb reads: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 1385:4251 Netgear, Inc WG111T (no firmware) [13:46] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:46] MS3FGX: I have tried it both ways (original config, and a newly crafted one with the sample from the new package) with the same results [13:48] ok, "netgear wg111t linux" produces anything good on google? [13:48] prism2, looks like, that uses hostap driver IIRC [13:49] <_budo> produces anything good? [13:49] <_budo> i have ndiswrapper and the drives for it on a usb key [13:49] <_budo> i just need to be walked thru on how to install it [13:50] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@nat073.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [13:50] I won't do that, but I will point you in the right direction. [13:50] http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=3614 [13:50] JAJMaster| what about nmbd.conf [13:50] <_budo> ok [13:51] you should just get both on the new config, then restart them, then check the error logs...maybe its a permissions or wrong user/group thing [13:52] paul424 (n=chatzill@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. [13:54] http://www.smellypoop.com/PiSSed.php?blogid=876 these people know how to twitter [13:54] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-217-200.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:54] emosaurass: I'll check that. thanks. gimme a sec [13:55] _budo: I'm not sure about that p54usb, damn Netgear uses the same name for totally different devices (I smell Microsoft involvement in that, because Netgear is not the only one.) [13:55] i just found one of my mouse feets on the ground :( poor MX510 is dead [13:55] Hmmm, I have no nmbd.conf on the system anywhere [13:55] http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=3825 says ndiswrapper, but it also appears to be clueless. [13:56] sorry its /etc/named.conf [13:56] look for named.conf.new [13:56] ive never really used samba though...so... [13:57] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-182-77.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [13:59] moh2a (n=mohaa@89.16.14.139) joined ##slackware. [13:59] moh2a (n=mohaa@89.16.14.139) left irc: Client Quit [13:59] ahh. I have a relatively beefy named.conf... but don't see how that would tie into samba much. Appreciate the help though :) [14:00] _budo: it might be zd1211rw , http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/zd1211rw [14:00] Yeah...named.conf has nothing to do with Samba at all [14:01] I am leaning towards something goofy with the passdb backend stuff, but not sure of the details yet [14:01] Are the Windows machines up to date? I recall one time I had problems connecting an XP machine to my Samba server, only to find there was some SMB/CIFS update for Windows which got it working again [14:01] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.59) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:01] yeah, the windows box is all the way up on patches [14:01] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-81-107-69-192.bmly.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:02] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-81-107-69-192.bmly.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:02] Action: jeev needs a chinese DID [14:02] nobody please convert that to dood, i meant DID [14:02] hmmm, roommate can connect to it alright but I can't. Now going to look at my local security policy to make sure something isn't set wonky there [14:04] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:04] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [14:04] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:04] jeev is really good for noobfarming [14:04] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware ("Quitte"). [14:04] emosaurass, you can buy new mouse feets. I found some online that work great. I see if I can find the link... [14:05] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:05] agentc0re, lick my nuts [14:05] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:06] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [14:06] ugh, so gay [14:06] Hmmm, (I realize this isn't a slackware question at this point but... ) The only real difference between he and I is that I have "Microsoft Network Client: Send uncrypted passwords to third party SMB servers"=disabled and his is enabled [14:06] thrice`: eh? [14:06] seriously thrice`, agentc0re is i think [14:07] no, I think you are [14:07] no way thrice` [14:07] hm. [14:08] thrice`, i'm so confusing.. aren't i [14:08] elderK (n=elderk@222-152-15-122.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [14:08] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:09] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:09] thrice`: are you still running slamd64? [14:09] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) joined ##slackware. [14:09] JAJMaster, Samba has a configuration option to disallow clear text passwords. Sounds like this is probably enabled, which prevents your machine from talking to it [14:09] agentc0re: nope, I jumped to slack64 when it was announced [14:09] did you do a fresh install or is there an easy way to convert on over? [14:10] cmair (n=cmair@host124-104-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:10] I did a fresh install; I'm not sure if it's possible. Theoretically, it should be [14:10] to convert over? i would say "no" on the grounds that i once tried that using a slackware 12.2 dvd but pointing it to a local repository of slackware64-current [14:12] er, no, it was slackware-13.0-rc1 trying to install from slackware64-13.0-rc1 repo [14:12] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:12] i didn't want to burn another dvd so i was being lazy [14:12] of course, you'll need a 64-bit kernel. [14:12] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware ("Quitte"). [14:12] that's why yours failed TwinReverb [14:12] http://slackadelic.com/2009/05/27/slamd64-to-slackware64-upgrade/ [14:13] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:13] of course with regards to that blog. YMMV. [14:13] it'll pretty much catch every package, since slamd64 uses _slamd64 in its package names [14:14] MS3FGX: That's not it. I have another machine here which has that option disabled and it connects fine. My current pursuit is that I am trying to connect from my primary system as my real user (with full write) and everyone else connects as guest. Guest seems to work. Me? Not so much. [14:14] BP{k}: Oh cool. would have figured he would have tried it. :P [14:16] JAJMaster, A permission error like that should be in the smbd/nmbd logs. [14:16] <_budo> rob [14:17] emosaurass, check this out. Much better than teflon tape: http://www.slicksurf.com/ [14:19] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:19] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [14:20] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.82.81.136) joined ##slackware. [14:20] good evening [14:20] evening [14:25] <_budo> the name atheros does sound very familiar [14:25] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.14.139) joined ##slackware. [14:25] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.2.22) joined ##slackware. [14:25] t0f (n=foo@wlk-barre-69-72-81-121.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) joined ##slackware. [14:25] _budo, my netgear card has an atheros chipset [14:25] Atheros makes wireless mini PCI cards for laptops [14:26] having major headache with one in an Acer right now [14:26] _budo, but yours is a usb dongle? [14:26] as well as other things as course [14:26] my USB wireless crap works out of the box on slackware [14:26] <_budo> yes @ dongle [14:27] you could try modprobe ath5k and ath9k [14:27] LordMetroid (n=lordmetr@90-224-93-243-no108.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:27] looks like firefox-3.5.1 is vulernable too check slashdot for more info [14:27] use IE [14:27] and then see if 'iwconfig -a' shows anythng' [14:28] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [14:28] <_budo> so, you used ndiswrapper too? [14:28] nope [14:28] ath5k [14:28] Pig_Pen: that's why it's called firebug now [14:28] long live opera! [14:28] I am trying to decide what to use for my webserver, My friend recommends CentOS but I heard slackware may be interesting [14:28] <_budo> how do you do it [14:28] _budo, and before kernel support I used madwifi [14:29] LordMetroid, use what you know best [14:29] I know neither, I have been using debian in the past but that is not possible now [14:29] _budo, does 'modprobe ath5k' and 'modprobe ath9k' work and show any wireless interface with 'iwconfig -a'? [14:30] its that damn javascrip that damn jit crap [14:30] LordMetroid, then time to learn slackware ;P [14:30] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.82.81.136) left irc: Client Quit [14:31] dive| well my mx510 needs to be opened to tighten some wire connections then i'd need new feets [14:31] best mouse ever though [14:31] _budo, erm that should just be 'iwconfig' [14:32] emosaurass, I bought some of those feet a couple of years ago and it works like new [14:32] emosaurass, except for the worn paintwork ;) [14:33] a lot of replacement feet you see advertised are just teflon tape, which peels off at the edges after a while [14:33] _budo, any luck? [14:34] <_budo> i dont know what to do lol [14:34] So, made a post on Pastebin: http://pastebin.com/m426cdaf Looks like it "should" be accepting my connection fine, but it most surely is not [14:34] <_budo> ive just installed linux few days ago [14:34] ok, open a terminal, type 'su' , enter root password when asked [14:35] <_budo> i have that done already [14:36] <_budo> and mounted usb and it contains athfmwdl.inf driver on it [14:36] ok, now type 'lsmod | grep ath' - does it show any output or just a blank? [14:36] <_budo> blank [14:36] what's up with using that .inf? Are you sure that you need that? which wireless chipset do you have? [14:37] ok, now 'modprobe ath5k', and then 'modprobe ath9k' [14:37] any errors? [14:37] Is there a network installation available for Slackware? [14:37] Yes LordMetroid [14:37] <_budo> no errors [14:37] LordMetroid: you can PXE install or use a USB/CD/DVD too boot and do a network based install that way [14:37] it is one of the installer's options [14:38] too/to [14:38] LordMetroid| there is an ftp/nfs install option i think [14:38] Yes, but is there an ISO that isn't 6 discs? [14:38] you just have to read the documentation [14:38] you only need the first 3 disks [14:38] ok, now type 'iwconfig' - on the left it should list network interfaces such as 'lo' 'eth0' and if you are lucky 'wlan0' [14:39] or 2 if you dont want kde i think [14:39] LordMetroid: You only really need disk 1 [14:39] LordMetroid: either a DVD ISO, or the usbinstall.img to be used with a USB stick [14:39] <_budo> no wireless extensions [14:39] I am going to install it on a virtualbox first [14:39] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [14:39] _budo: what type of networking card is it? [14:39] _budo, now type 'ifconfig -a' and check left side again [14:39] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [14:40] all I really need is the base system and then a network I could download the tarballs I need [14:40] LordMetroid: or this mini ISO: http://slackware.com/~alien/slackboot/mini/12.2/ [14:40] <_budo> netgear wg111t wireless dongle [14:40] LordMetroid| http://slackware.mirrors.pair.com/slackware-12.2/BOOTING.TXT [14:41] _budo, ? 'ifconfig -a' should list 'lo' 'eth0' and 'wlan0' (hopefully) [14:41] <_budo> link encap ethernet and loopback [14:41] ok [14:41] thank you, much appreciated [14:41] <_budo> no wlan0 showin [14:41] looks like you might need usb network module loaded - one sec and I'll have a look to find the name [14:42] <_budo> okay thank you [14:43] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/graphics/blinkenlights-original.gif what does that say [14:44] U2 (n=chatzill@203.99.175.27) joined ##slackware. [14:44] _budo, it doesn't list usb0 by any chance? If not try 'modprobe usbnet' and try 'ifconfig -a' again [14:45] _budo: I'm curious about what lsusb shows you about the device [14:45] <_budo> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 1385:4251 Netgear, Inc WG111T (no firmware) << if this helps [14:45] U2 (n=chatzill@203.99.175.27) left ##slackware. [14:45] yeah you will need firmware... [14:45] I would think [14:46] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@nat073.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:46] <_budo> i downloaded it from the site rob provided [14:46] have you tried using google [14:47] so you got a .bin file? [14:47] <_budo> its a tar bz2 [14:48] i dont think WG111T can be run on linux [14:49] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:49] <_budo> is .inf firmware? [14:49] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=258732 [14:50] _budo, no, .inf is the windows driver info file [14:50] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.157.105) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:51] ndiswrapper -i blahdriver.inf [14:51] .inf and .sys is needed usually for ndiswrapper but I have not touched ndiswrapper is such a long tiem touched nsdisgen though [14:51] ndiswrapper -l [14:51] looks like - yes [14:51] depmod -a; modprobe ndiswrapper [14:51] ndiswrapper -m [14:52] <_budo> so i do need ndiswrapper, ok [14:52] yes [14:53] and an inf file...there is info on that ubuntu forums post [14:53] I don't even see support for that chpset at the ath{5,9}k linux wireless site [14:53] _budo, well if you have the firmware it may be possible to use that and usbnet, but I'm not too sure on it [14:53] you also want to familiarize yourself with how etc/rc.d/rc.wireless works [14:53] JAJMaster (i=Plowman@cpe-65-189-249-115.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: [14:53] though ive never used wireless [14:54] emosaurass, don't need to touch rc.wireless - it's all done with /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 [14:54] rc.inet1.conf and wpa_supplicant.conf [14:54] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:54] kk [14:55] t0f (n=foo@wlk-barre-69-72-81-121.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) left irc: [14:56] <_budo> extracted ndiswrapper and it read cant change ownership to uid 1100 gid 1100 [14:56] <_budo> and im root [14:57] thats okay [14:57] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.60.216) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:57] _budo, there is an ndiswrapper slackbuild script at slackbuilds.org [14:57] ignore it [14:57] _budo, use that [14:57] _budo, and read the slackbuilds.org/howto first [14:59] <_budo> k [14:59] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:00] why does win7 take 1.5 minutes to delete 514 recycle bin shortcuts [15:00] dramz (n=dramz@174.81-166-32.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:01] dramz (n=dramz@174.81-166-32.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [15:01] emosaurass: try google? [15:02] emosaurass, maybe checking if this shortcuts are from files with copyright, sending this infomation to micro$oft.com? lol [15:02] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:02] something [15:02] you see their new anti-virus [15:03] supposed to report stuff to microsofts servers or something...according to pc magazine [15:03] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-57-103.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:04] question...how do you install libraries for cross-compile targets [15:05] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.60.216) joined ##slackware. [15:05] mmm [15:05] VBOX HARDDISK ATA Device Warning: You are about to uninstall this device from your system. [15:05] personally, i use scratchbox [15:05] macman_ (n=macman_@adsl-76-215-208-136.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:05] hey all quick question .. i just downloaded an avi and it is in spanish .. there anyway to download something that can transulate the audio to english ? [15:05] macman_| no [15:06] AnonymousRednek, scratchbox provides a cross-compile environment [15:06] gabriel_, i'd rather just use my gcc on slackware [15:06] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-76-109-247-25.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:06] macman_ (n=macman_@adsl-76-215-208-136.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:07] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:07] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-76-109-247-25.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [15:07] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-76-109-247-25.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] that way, i can just ./configure --target=win32 or --target=msdos [15:08] elderK (n=elderk@222-152-15-122.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "Leaving..." [15:08] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-76-109-247-25.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [15:08] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-76-109-247-25.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:12] cybertitan (n=demoncyb@155.86.215.200.res.nat.netvision.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:14] AnonymousRednek: usually it's done in a build environment [15:14] AnonymousRednek: you can look at how openwrt does it [15:15] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:16] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:24] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:25] looky what i found listed at freshmeat.net, i am not recomending this since i never used it, i am just bringing it to your attention http://requiescant.tuxfamily.org/spack/index.html [15:30] but its purple [15:31] DarkGable (n=ray@76.114.161.73) left irc: "Leaving" [15:32] it's worse than purple, it's lilac [15:32] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] i never heard of it before today, and i read what gets posted at freshmeat about every day [15:33] tried src2slack? [15:33] I have it but haven't eally looked at it [15:33] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-76-109-247-25.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Success [15:34] naw, i just build packages the old fashioned way with DESTDIR then makepkg [15:34] yeah [15:34] well [15:34] I make a sb and submit it if one isn't up there [15:34] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [15:35] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:35] I would guess src2slack is out of date now that the template has changed [15:35] so far everything i've built i seen listed at sbo already so it would be redundant if i submitted a slackbuild [15:35] re hello [15:35] evening fredoslack [15:36] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:36] it is 9:37 PM at home [15:36] :p [15:37] 8:37 here [15:37] LordMetroid (n=lordmetr@90-224-93-243-no108.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:37] 13:37 [15:37] lucky you [15:38] Sun Jul 19 12:38:55 PDT 2009 [15:38] uid=1337(dive) [15:39] :) [15:39] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-138-43.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [15:39] I've started to use marionnet, great for network simulation :) [15:39] Camarade_Tux, evening [15:39] yo dive :) [15:39] Camarade_Tux, hello :) [15:39] bonsoir fredoslack :) [15:39] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-138-43.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:40] MrJackson (n=MrJackso@cpe-24-94-41-123.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: "Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug." [15:41] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-138-43.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [15:45] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) left irc: "(rebooting)" [15:48] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:51] lotec (n=lotec@96.243.165.191) joined ##slackware. [15:51] having a strange problem. sure i am missing something not sure what. [15:51] just started smb server and when i try to connect it will not mount the volume [15:52] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.93.164) joined ##slackware. [15:52] also ran smbclient -L main-server [15:52] Connection to main-server failed [15:52] on the box. [15:52] ideas anyone? [15:52] src2pkg is great [15:53] (and no idea to your problem) [15:53] Wizard (n=wziuuuuu@gentoo/user/wizard) left ##slackware. [15:54] LOL i connected to [15:54] my friends computer and he's watching porn [15:54] lol [15:54] watch it with him [15:54] Nick change: supergear_ -> supergear [15:55] through logmein? na i got my own [15:55] i wonder if he notices up top [15:55] it says 'm connected [15:55] how would I change the colors for gtk apps? for kde apps I have all the window background colors as black and the text as green, how would I do that for gtk apps? [15:56] jeev where do you live? [15:56] isnt pr0n filtered and even highly illegal in some places [15:56] in los angeles? [15:56] the only thing filtered is freedom of speech [15:56] oh, heck LA is pr0n city [15:57] so i found the pci risers for my servers [15:57] 3 dead servers cause i cant find [15:57] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [15:57] well 2, cause the sata nvidia sucks balls [15:57] i bought a second hand 16 port KVM for one of my cabinets and i cant remove the porn labels on them [15:58] like port 3, jessicaxxx... [15:58] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [15:58] use sandpaper [15:58] or a file [15:58] no, the labels of the systems inside the kvm lol [16:01] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@63.99.218.194) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:01] i have not been to calif in quite a few years, are those gangs still fighting a lot, (bloods & crips) and all those latino gangs ? [16:01] jeev: write your own labels on top of it? [16:02] last tiem I checked bloods and crips aren't LA gangs anymore well one of them might be though [16:02] are you guys doofoids? [16:02] the actual LABELS on the monitor when you press scroll scroll space or something [16:02] the labels for the systems, the virtual label [16:02] anyone have an idea? few threads on google. but no solved solution [16:03] ah, ok, then isnt there a way to change that with a command? [16:03] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [16:03] jeev: no, but we wouldn't have imagined you wouldn't manage to remove such labels :) [16:04] _Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.93.164) joined ##slackware. [16:04] i figured it was a label like a engraved on the back so someone can plug the correct server in to the right port [16:05] cant fined it in the manual [16:05] whatever i dont care [16:05] comrad, no more VPS for that diss [16:05] i'm going to remove your account [16:09] i new it, every time. one damn messed up letter :D [16:09] bah, I don't care, I have access to two boxes on ipv6, >7MB/s effective download [16:09] and another own server [16:09] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:09] and gonna get myself a dedicated one [16:09] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) joined ##slackware. [16:09] oh, and gonna play with another connection too :) [16:09] where are they [16:10] dont you have access to every box you want at the kremlin [16:10] john_dee (n=id@93-81-3-168.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [16:10] FooDown (i=1000@70.94.221.53) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:10] no, they removed me that right, they told me I shouldn't activate cute girls' webcams and watch ='( [16:11] ahh [16:11] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.93.164) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:11] you go snorkling with putin ? [16:11] silvergold (n=fire|bir@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [16:11] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.93.164) joined ##slackware. [16:11] no, I watched his daughter with one of the webcams =/ [16:11] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [16:11] yo vesafb! [16:12] Nick change: silvergold -> frame|buffer [16:12] y0 Camarade_Tux [16:12] How's it going? [16:12] when i first heard the russian presidents name was putin i laughed, because phoenitically putin sounds like pooting which means farting [16:12] frame|buffer: great, and you? [16:12] Camarade_Tux: doing great, thanks. :) [16:13] Pig_Pen: lol :p [16:13] frame|buffer: I found another great ocaml app :) [16:13] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.60.157) joined ##slackware. [16:13] marionnet.org [16:13] Camarade_Tux: awesome, what app is that? [16:14] hehe :P [16:14] Camarade_Tux: cool. :) [16:15] frame|buffer: you can build a virtual network and add/remove/edit components on-the-fly :) [16:15] nice [16:16] I had one computer pinging another one, I added a third one, unplugged the cable from the computer being pinged and connected it to the third, everything went fine and it kept on pinging :) [16:16] (I had the IPs correctly set of course) [16:16] Cann0n (i=1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [16:17] y0 Cann0n [16:17] hey [16:17] whats up? [16:18] i3lack0p (n=wsp4th@adsl-074-167-057-025.sip.jan.bellsouth.net) left irc: "There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those that understand binary and those that don't." [16:18] nm, just working on something atm, you? [16:18] LordMetroid (n=lordmetr@90-224-93-243-no108.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:20] slak (n=slak@189.82.59.165) joined ##slackware. [16:20] trying to deal with dial up... [16:20] nacho_ (n=nacho@190.51.28.149) joined ##slackware. [16:20] just cleaned room. doing laundry... [16:20] g0000ga (n=g0ga@71-15.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [16:20] andone know anything about fiberglass repairs? [16:20] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [16:21] Cann0n: Ugh, still on dial-up? :( [16:21] +1 of moral to the guy who factor (2k^3 + 9k^2 + 13k + 6) [16:21] lotec (n=lotec@96.243.165.191) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:22] slak: bah, just find a solution to $THAT=0, divide and it's solved [16:22] yeah... it blows ass [16:22] slak: or just plot it [16:22] Cann0n: I hope irc traffic isn't too much for your dialup :D [16:23] i'm going to call up Sector9 skateboard company tomorrow and tell them their boards suck... my board came delaminated AND i found they used knots in the wood... [16:24] Camarade_Tux: Quick, lets test his connection. We'll stop when he says "Ok, enough, the thing is smoking." :D [16:24] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@90.200.128.174) left irc: "Leaving" [16:24] my bets : -sqrt(3), -sqrt(2), -1 [16:25] (and -1 was easy to find, without plotting) [16:25] frame|buffer: you mean ping him to death? :D [16:25] Camarade_Tux: yeah, why not. :P [16:25] I'm bored. [16:25] Is there any slackware repository for network installation? [16:25] it supports ftp/http [16:25] LordMetroid, all FTP lol [16:26] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:26] five pings : 3.620 seconds, 5.492 seconds, 7.323 seconds, 9.805 seconds, 12.406 seconds [16:26] but this is not the best way :( [16:26] The installation is asking me for source media, as I have the mini iso I need somewhere to download whatever I want to install, right? [16:26] Or can I just skip this step??? [16:26] O_o [16:26] can you skip having any packages? no. [16:27] LordMetroid: you should get everything on your LAN, don't use a distant mirror for network installs [16:27] I got nothing on my LAN [16:27] LordMetroid: you should... [16:27] LordMetroid, there are weekly iso [16:27] of slack-current [16:27] (unofficial ones) [16:27] LordMetroid: use alienBob [16:28] there are weekly iso [16:28] LordMetroid: use alienBob's rsync script and make your own local mirror [16:28] Action: Camarade_Tux fetches alienBOB [16:28] you only need a usb key [16:28] hm, ok [16:28] 4 Go ;) [16:28] and Unetbootin [16:29] --exclude=*kde* [16:29] and exclude the sources too if you're space constrained (but I find it a good idea to get them afterwards) [16:29] <_budo> i got it ! [16:29] <_budo> netgear wg111t dongle [16:30] Camarade_Tux, "my bets : -sqrt(3), -sqrt(2)" r u stoned? [16:32] slak: why? [16:32] RJz0r (n=taterz@c-76-18-30-36.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:32] RJz0r (n=taterz@67.208.216.126) joined ##slackware. [16:33] oh, I mean (k+sqrt(3))*(k+sqrt(2))*(k+1) [16:33] I know that at least the (k+1) part is good [16:33] _Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.93.164) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:33] slak: which methods of factorization do you know? [16:33] hate math :p [16:34] i prefer wagner lol [16:34] actually sqrt(3) is probably wrong [16:34] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:34] fredoslack: how old are you? [16:34] ca [16:34] attend je traduis lol [16:34] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:34] I have 33 years [16:35] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@90.200.128.174) joined ##slackware. [16:35] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.93.164) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:36] not "have", "am" [16:36] i am 33 ? [16:36] yep [16:37] thanks [16:37] anyway, basically when you want to factor such an equation, look at its "roots" : see how you can solve $EQU = 0 [16:37] ie, which values of x make $EQU = 0 [16:38] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.60.216) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:38] <_budo> how do u scan the wireless access points? [16:38] RJz0r (n=taterz@67.208.216.126) left irc: "leaving" [16:38] slak, uyse synthetic division [16:38] s/uyse/use [16:38] RJz0r (n=taterz@67.208.216.126) joined ##slackware. [16:39] gabriel_, whats it like? [16:39] anyway just got it factored. [16:39] then, if x1 and x2 make the equation equal 0, you know the factorization is (x-x1)*(x-x2) [16:39] so you can just plot the equation and look at the values where it is equal to 0 [16:40] 2k^3 + 9k^2 + 13l + 6 = ( k+1)(k+2)(2k+3) [16:40] slak: the "how old are you?" question was actually for you [16:40] Action: fredoslack closes his eyes :p [16:40] Camarade_Tux, 69 [16:41] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:41] that was a tough one... need a cigarret [16:41] another way being with the coefficients, and it seems I made a mistake, got to check a few things [16:42] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.141.128.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:42] hi all [16:42] ioo gtl =) [16:43] ok, as I said : k+1, k+2 (I misread on the graph as I said) and k+sqrt(2) was actually k+3/2 [16:43] ioo? :P [16:43] and 3/2 = 1.5, sqrt(2) = 1.41 [16:43] yeah * [16:43] ioo fredoslack =) [16:43] :p [16:43] maths are safe :) [16:43] yo gtl [16:43] hi gtl nmap -sS -O 189.26.141.128 [16:43] heya gtl [16:43] hey Camarade_Tux , slack [16:43] knock knock knock gtl [16:44] arnt (n=arnt@host-185.249.188.200.fns.freefone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:44] cmair (n=cmair@host124-104-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:44] Camarade_Tux, you're forcing the answer [16:44] :P [16:44] slak: no, not at all ;) [16:45] slak, what's this nmap supposed to do? [16:45] gtl: scan a machine for opened ports [16:47] SYN Stealth Scan Timing: About 95.34% done; ETC: 17:47 (0:00:10 remaining) [16:47] frame|buffer: you think we killed Cann0n's connection? :D [16:48] slak, (k+1)(k+2)(2k+3) is corect [16:48] correct [16:48] thanks for remind me :P [16:51] paul424 (n=chatzill@91.207.68.2) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]" [16:53] titopoquito (n=tito@p508EF0A3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:57] if i wanted to mirror slackware from tds or usuosl and used wget with --no-parent and -m will the --no-parent work with the -m (mirror switch) ? [16:59] Action: thrice` thinks rsync is far more appropriate for such a task [17:00] Digit (n=digit@74.46.65.174) joined ##slackware. [17:01] sigh... Don't ever get a Sector9 skateboard. They are about as reliable as Windows ME [17:01] heh, was thinking about getting one actually... [17:02] was either a sector 9 or a brad edwards [17:02] yeah, i agree after testing wget on a small dir on a server [17:02] arnt (n=arnt@host-185.249.188.200.fns.freefone.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [17:03] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Connection timed out [17:04] I just tried the radeonhd instead of radeon [17:04] s0d0 (n=john@host86-175-193-123.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:05] what i was wanting was to download all the install package without the source code dirs (save a lot of downloading) [17:05] hey quick question, while installing conky i noticed that one of the files .pc files pkg-config uses in the latest slack release has a typo, anywhere where I can submit to a mailing list to update slack users on it? [17:05] had better screen resolution, but lousy fps on glxgears [17:05] blacksheep (n=blackshe@97-115-178-251.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:06] im out. laTER [17:06] Cann0n (i=1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:07] Digit: check who is the conky's slackbuild maintainer [17:07] Digit: pm-utils? [17:07] gtl: thats usually a tradeoff, the higher in screen resolution you go the slower glx will accelerate, what you want is to find a sweet spot in the middle = where you get a reasonable screen resolution with decent glx acceleration [17:07] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.60.157) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:08] Pig_Pen, yeah! that's about it =) [17:08] thrice: yep [17:08] Digit: the pm-utils is a pretty known bug, and has since been fixed for the next release [17:08] thrice: o, nvm then =) [17:09] can someone recommend a bittorrent client? [17:09] usr (n=usr@189.115.231.72.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:09] usr (n=usr@189.115.231.72.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left ##slackware. [17:09] ktorrent [17:09] deluge [17:09] zaltekk: i like transmission, ktorrent when using kde [17:09] utorrent! [17:09] transmission :) [17:09] Pig_Pen, but how do i get to that spot? [17:10] supergear: that isn't for linux =/ [17:10] Pig_Pen: I think transmission has a new qt4 client too :> [17:10] hmm. is ktorrent not in the default slackware installation? [17:10] if you like utorrent, you'll like ktorrent [17:10] good, just in time for 13, [17:10] transmission is good too [17:11] gtl, i would guess 800x600 is too low so 1024x768 is the low end, and you know how high your monitor can go, so pick something in between those two [17:12] this lappy's screen does 1440x1050 [17:12] 1280x1024 ? [17:13] ejm (n=ezra@75-174-112-231.bois.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [17:13] i just use 1024x768 but i am an old man with old eyes so i like large readable fonts [17:14] i use 1280x1024 cause i got an old monitor [17:14] highest it can do [17:14] old CRT [17:14] Patrick I love you lool [17:15] (snicker) do you guys think a phenom II X3 2.8ghz should be enough to run slackware [17:15] no [17:15] oh yeah, easy [17:15] you need a core 2 quad [17:16] haha! [17:16] i have slack on an ancient laptop that has a 700m CPU & 256 megs ram [17:16] with whatever is the best GPU atm [17:16] ejm: no, it's crap, I'll take it for you and run hurd on it -_- [17:16] zaltekk: rtorrent - a nice and simple torrent client for the console (uses ncurses) [17:16] Get a X4 [17:17] i got an old X2 running slackware :( [17:17] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@174-148-204-220.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [17:17] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:17] runs slow cause you really need a quad to run slackware! [17:17] thanks for the suggestions. i'm going to try KTorrent for now. download the tarball as we speak [17:18] I want to die on staaaage [17:18] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:18] Hey guys, if I install slackware to a real hard disk using QEMU+KQEMU - I should be able to shift it into a different real machine and boot it within that real machine without problems right? [17:18] in the spotlight :p [17:18] doesn't slackware have a ktorrent pkg [17:19] Action: NthDegree is just checking before he cocks up, it's passed the lack-of-sanity check :P [17:19] NthDegree: depends on the os [17:19] oh..slackware [17:19] supergear: i don't know. it didn't install with kde. [17:19] not necessarily [17:19] depends on your bootloader config [17:19] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:19] yeah it does [17:19] i can't find it =/ [17:19] hey straterra [17:19] Hey there. Received help last night with a graphics issue and now (related or not I don't know) Firefox won't save changes to my Bookmarks. [17:19] Hello [17:20] straterra, well the CPU is an i686 and i'll be using GRUB, installed to the MBR hopefully [17:20] and the real machine will be booting from the drive i'll be installing slackware to via QEMU [17:20] ktorrent is in /extra [17:20] the issue is if the disks get enumerated the same [17:20] on 12.2 [17:20] john_dee (n=id@93-81-3-168.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:20] oh, in extra [17:20] okay [17:20] in /kde in -current [17:21] straterra, as in LBA vs CHS? Or legacy IDE vs PATA? [17:21] neither..neither [17:21] Camarade_Tux: haha, if not killed, severly crippled. :) [17:21] in regards to the order of the disks [17:21] if grub is looking for disk 0, but in the real machine its disk 1... [17:22] ah right, it will be Primary IDE Channel Master in both the VM and the real machine [17:22] DenNOLA: hm, hold on let me see if i can re-recreate the problem here. [17:22] the reason i'm doing it is because the old machine is a noisy PoS which i'm giving away [17:23] Digit: okey doke. [17:23] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [17:23] you need to clear the udev memory of network devices too [17:24] it's just a case of looking in /etc/udev.d or somesuch right? [17:24] yeah..deleting/clearing out a file [17:25] DenNOLA: might be that you don't have read/write permissions to the bookmark file. Do you have the directory ~/.mozilla/firefox ? [17:26] straterra, thanks, I shall have great fun tonight ^^ [17:26] raw__ (n=ilove@p54872692.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:27] Digit: yes I do and it is in /home/Dennis and it says (unless I'm doing something wrong) that the owner is Dennis. [17:27] and uh...I'm Dennis. :-) [17:27] archimandrita (n=pacus@142.Red-81-44-13.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [17:28] DenNOLA: you have write permissions to the folders and their contents? [17:29] hello [17:30] hello archimandrita [17:30] is it an oficial slackware channel [17:30] zaltekk: when I right-click on the folder ./mozilla in my home directory and navigate to permissions it says that owner (Dennis) "can view and modify content". [17:30] raw (n=ilove@p54874195.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:30] (still learning the console, forgive me) [17:31] DenNOLA: what about the actual files in there? [17:31] there is a spider above me :( [17:31] you can just type "ls -l ~/.mozilla/firefox/" [17:31] and pastebin the output [17:31] zaltekk: I guess I assumed "and it's contents" meant that those permissions were recursive. No? [17:31] DenNOLA: sounds that way, but it's best to check since you are having a problem [17:32] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [17:32] Bonix (n=Bonix@189-90-196-253.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:33] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:34] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.141.128.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:35] speaking of mozilla/firefox you know that 3.6.1 is already found vulnerable so either disable javascript when surfing unknown websites or use NoScript [17:35] 3.5.1 [17:35] Pig_Pen, it's vulnerable to DoS with or without security fixes ;) [17:35] it has an internal pop-up block counter [17:36] if you trigger it in a loop enough times, it topples it [17:36] Konqueor is sexy [17:36] NoScript is a good idea regardless of any known vulnerabilities in the browser. [17:36] *Konqueror is sexy [17:37] zaltekk: ok, have just gone through the entire .mozilla folder. I seem to have permissions for all, including a file called in /home/Dennis/.mozilla/firefox/cty4gsjh.default [17:37] NthDegree: how do you disable the pop-up block counter, thats a stupid idea to count them, it just just block them - indefinitly if necessary [17:37] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.141.128.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:38] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.170.34) joined ##slackware. [17:38] lets hunt around about:config [17:38] bye :) [17:38] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [17:38] Digit (n=digit@74.46.65.174) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:39] digit (n=digit@74.46.65.174) joined ##slackware. [17:39] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.31) left irc: [17:40] Pig_Pen, seems it's necessary to block pop-up floods ;-p [17:40] kamaji_ (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:40] dom.popup_maximum? its set at 20 [17:40] spadxiii (n=spadxiii@87.113.27.77.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:41] Pig_Pen, that's if you get 20 pop-ups in one go, so it starts blocking them even if you explicitly allow popups for a site [17:41] spadxiii (n=spadxiii@212.159.87.219) joined ##slackware. [17:41] but if you keep flooding with popups that get blocked that number rises [17:41] if you make a loop, that can cause firefox to eat CPU and die [17:41] since it increments that number [17:42] i am ready to dump firefox, for a browser it does not seem to have any cahones [17:42] firefox still seems to be superior to other browsers [17:42] yeah, for known safe websites [17:42] WebKit is worse than Gecko for security [17:43] and KHTML has just as many problems [17:43] or use a browser that does not have javascript support like lynx :D [17:43] digg used to DoS my whole desktop on KDE 3.x with Konq running :P [17:43] Honestly I'm not married to Firefox. I'd just as soon learn another browser, it's just that I'm familiar with this one. [17:43] i'd have to kill konq to be able to use any apps that were running [17:44] DenNOLA, depends on what services you use [17:44] night everybody :) [17:44] Until Google Chrome hits the mainstream, Firefox will be a necessity for some websites [17:44] yeah, i visited digg a few times, that website has some terrible javascript coding, bloated and resource hungry, i abandoned it because both teh submissions and comments have too much noise in the signal to noise ratio [17:44] as some sites blow under WebKit [17:45] Camarade_Tux, night [17:45] Nth: Huh. Truth be told my Internet use is pretty frekkin basic. Only one I can think of that's a challenge is Goproblems.com since it uses java appelets, but that's it. [17:48] in that case, Midori might work for you [17:48] brb, need to add a hard disk (slack is a coming :D) [17:48] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-138-43.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:50] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-115.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:50] DenNOLA: sorry i had to leave irc for a second if you run "sudo chown -R Dennis ~/.mozilla" it may fix the problem, you still may not be able to write to the bookmark file if permissions are still wrong though. Just want to make sure Dennis is your login name before you run the command, and firefox is closed =P [17:50] who is famous for making secure software? Theo of Openbsd? if he would fork firefox i bet he could tune it up and make it in to something decent to browse with [17:50] fuck theo [17:51] <_budo> does slack have a tool to connect wirelessly? [17:51] digit: ok....gonna try. [17:51] <_budo> manually from cdl is not working 4 me [17:51] did i hit a nerve acidchil1 [17:51] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: No route to host [17:52] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:53] digit: Uh.....didin't work. Gonna paste the output in pastebin. One sec. [17:53] powtrix__ (n=powtrix@189-69-28-169.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:53] you know if it was not for Pat's Slackware i would most likely abandon Linux for oen of the BSDs [17:54] DenNOLA: hm, as a quick fix this may also work. run "firefox -profilemanager" and see if you can create a new profile. [17:54] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:55] bolz (n=email@c915544a.virtua.com.br) left irc: "ircN 8.00 for mIRC (20080809) - www.ircN.org" [17:55] digit: here is the pastebin>> http://pastebin.ca/1500476 ....gonna try your quickfix now. [17:56] Pig_Pen: me too. [17:57] Pig_Pen: i really like FreeBSD, but it doesn't support my new laptop's wireless card yet. openbsd does, but i prefer slackware over it. [17:57] Bonix (n=Bonix@189-90-196-253.isimples.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [17:57] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:57] digit: Ok, so when I type "firefox -profilemanager" into the console I get a new Firefox session that pops up and starts me at my homepage. [17:58] does emacs support ipods? [17:58] DenNola: Really? You don't get a window that says "Firefox - Chose user Profile" ? [17:59] digit: If I'm lyin I'm dyin. [17:59] Little New Orleans for ya there. But no, not at all. [18:00] Elektro (n=Elektro@77.27.254.204) left irc: "changing servers" [18:01] FF isn't already running, is it? If you have an instance of FF already up, it won't show the profile manager [18:01] Ah. Duh. Maybe that's it. Lemme make sure. [18:02] Thanks. Good call. Now what? [18:02] click "Create Profile" and go through the steps [18:03] nacho_ (n=nacho@190.51.28.149) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:04] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) left irc: "bye" [18:04] DenNOLA: did you get any error messages saying can't write a file or something? [18:05] No, it worked. I was able to create a new Default User profile....which scared me because I thought I'd lost my old one with all my stuff in it. [18:05] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [18:06] Hello, good night, sorry for all and please patience, I never use the irc, I am not a social person, I am a professional of the computers, photography, metal in build and welding and mechanical in cars and truck.. etc. I work in computers since 9 years, I start with windows > windows+debian > gentoo > slackware (now). I am a happy user of slackware, with slackware I find the stability in GNU-Linux world...I like contribu [18:06] te for slackware whit my photos, I shoot for this since one year, and I know the work is good. In this year I migrated all my work on photography to linux, i like thanks with my photos. [18:06] DenNOLA: nope, you still have your old stuff you just created another profile. Are you able to save bookmarks in this one? [18:07] DenNOLA: I mean in this profile [18:07] I'm testing that now. [18:07] rhys (n=rhys@cpe-75-185-191-55.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:07] Yes I am. [18:08] Did I mention that I was here last nigt and a guy (zejen) wlaked me through some changes to get my DRI working which included a new X -configure? [18:08] And would that matter? [18:09] kejen, sorry. [18:09] DenNOLA: hm i don't believe so....firefox pretty much stores all of the users info in that ~/.mozilla folder [18:10] Ok. Just noticed that this happened in almost instant conjunction with the changes is all. [18:10] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [18:11] firefox -profilemanager [18:11] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189.69.16.117) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:12] DenNOLA: alright, bascially we can export the old bookmarks into the new user account [18:13] digit: I thought you were gonna say that. Ok. Since I'm clearly still a Slack larva would you mind being reeeally specific when you tell me how? [18:14] DenNOLA: Make sure all firefox windows are closed Launch the "firefox -profilemanager" again, and select your old account. After that go to Bookmarks -> organize bookmarks. On the top click "Import and Backup"->Backup. Save this to any location. [18:14] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:14] Already did that last night. So next step? [18:15] DenNOLA: re-launch "firefox -profilemanager", log into the new account you just created. Go to Bookmark -> organize boomarks. Go to to "Import and Backup" -> Restore -> choose file [18:15] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-138-43.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [18:16] g0000ga (n=g0ga@71-15.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:16] DenNOLA: select the file that was previously exported and you should be good to go. [18:16] digit: ok, gonna do that now. One sec. [18:17] my must-not-be-left-unattended rig is completed :D [18:17] NthDegree? [18:18] digit, I just connected two internal hard disks outside my PC [18:19] NthDegree: haha [18:19] I separated them using CD jewel cases >_> [18:20] NthDegree: i used to have a ghetoo setup like that, hda a motherboard just sitting ontop of a piece of plexi glass haha. That was a whlie back though. [18:20] This is to set up slackware for a system that's quite old using a newer PC [18:21] i'm planning to give away the old machine (Athlon XP 2000+ with 256MB DDR RAM) to some friends who live in bedsits next door to each other >_> [18:21] DenNOLA: everything working out? [18:21] I would have had two machines but I blew the mobo on the other one by trying to upgrade the GPU [18:22] digit: uh, kinda slow here...sorry. I stupidly put my back-up in a place where it has root permissions only. One more sec and we will see. [18:22] NthDegree: ouch, yeah i had a nvidia 6700? blow on me on my laptop =( i can't find a replacement so its pretty much useless atm [18:23] This was a mobo with NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 and I tried putting in a GeForce 2 MX 400 [18:23] it gave me a stunning flickering show with the green lights >_> [18:24] ew [18:24] Digit: ok, yes, that worked. Now two details. 1) how do I get it to remember it's previous window position (maximized)? and 2) I guess I should delete the directory associated w the old profile, right? [18:26] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:26] Can I show it's here? or contackt [18:27] DenNOLA: hm, not sure about the 1st but for the 2nd leave the old profile their for a bit just incase something didn't transfer right, or you need to get your old login passwords etc [18:27] DenNOLA: #firefox hopefully can help you out =) [18:28] Ah. Didn't know there was one. Thanks a bunch for the help. [18:28] _budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:28] Quick question for anyone dual-booting Windows and Slackware. Can you please pastebin your lilo.conf file for use in the book? [18:29] sure [18:29] book? =] [18:29] thumbs: Thanks. [18:29] oh wait... .. i think firefox may not have built in support for remembering positions. The might send you to another channel. Bascially their is a file called Xresources where i believe you can set things such as this. But anyways, no problem =P [18:29] NthDegree: http://www.slackbook.org/ [18:29] NthDegree: New edition being worked on. [18:29] Alan_Hicks: Tell you it turned out.. I'm going to have to take the car in to have the rack-n-pinion replaced? [18:29] it should be released with slackware 13 too [18:29] Dominian: Yeah. [18:30] thrice`: Won't be in time for 13.0. [18:30] Alan_Hicks: Got a damn good deal though [18:30] Alan_Hicks: I know, was just joking :) [18:30] Alan_Hicks: http://pastebin.ca/index.php [18:30] digit: it;s funny you bring it up because the next problem I was going to cooly wait a few days to address in here is winow behavior. Like specifically how to not see these three lingering windows at every start-up. [18:30] 2.6.30 should be released with 13.0 too! [18:30] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:30] :P [18:30] I should update the main webpage though. The book has taken a lot longer than I wanted. [18:30] (but I can ask that one another time) [18:31] thumbs: try again? :) [18:31] I'm definitely changing my main system over to Slackware when 13.0 is out [18:31] err [18:31] lol [18:31] Alan_Hicks: http://pastebin.ca/1500498 [18:31] sorry. [18:31] btw will it be a version that does *not* have multilib? :D [18:31] thumbs: No problem. Found it on my own. Thanks. [18:31] on x86_64/AMD64 I mean :$ [18:32] I like contribute and thanks to slackware whit my photos, it is a fine work it is a macros of hardware and it is make with a professional four 0 $ equipe [18:32] Alan_Hicks: you remind me: I meant to reduce the boot timer. [18:32] NthDegree: it supports multilib, but does not provide 32-bit packages [18:32] I basically needed a lilo.conf file with a windows boot section in it to make sure what I put in the book is right. Don't have any dual-booting boxen here. [18:32] thrice`, nice ^^ [18:32] DenNOLA: haha ight, well im goin to go skatbeoard =P. see ya around! [18:32] Digit: have fun. Thanks again. [18:32] NthDegree: so, there will (very likely) be some 32-bit available, but not shipped with 13 from Pat [18:33] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@174-148-204-220.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:34] digit (n=digit@74.46.65.174) left irc: "leaving" [18:34] i'll very likely be changing over from Arch to Slack then when it's released [18:35] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:36] Very few things require 32-bit libs anymore. [18:36] Enemy Territory! [18:36] urban terror provides 64-bit :> [18:37] yah.. and is urban terror newer? [18:37] mm, can't be too much newer, actually [18:38] Alan_Hicks, except a lot of stuff I like: Wine, Gens, generator-cbiere-r4, Skype, UT2003.... :P [18:38] I guess I could look at getting the ET client source and attempting to build a 64bit binary [18:38] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE591C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:39] Alan_Hicks, I kinda try to live without them in the name of pure 64-bit'ness though ^^ [18:39] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE591C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:39] since having both sets of libs in RAM is wasteful [18:39] I think ut2003 has a 64-bit client [18:39] Ok I just am going to try once more, I am a professional and work is good [18:39] thrice`, I know 2004 does, but 2003 doesn't even have a good quality 32-bit client let alone 64-bit :P [18:40] oh, ok :) [18:41] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:43] thumbs, wow peharps u should change timeout = 1200 to timeout = 50 [18:43] slak: just did :) [18:44] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: Connection timed out [18:44] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:44] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [18:47] How long is a Slackware release supported for when it comes to security issues? [18:48] afaik.. there are still updates being pushed out for 9.. [18:48] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.95.45) joined ##slackware. [18:49] actually I think 10 is the last version that is still being updated [18:49] 8.1 released 19-Jun-2002 still gets security updates [18:49] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-8.1/ChangeLog.txt [18:49] unreal [18:49] tell that to Canonical [18:49] etc [18:51] RHEL is supported for 7 years, but that's a medium/large enterprise [18:51] The update status for 8.1 is somewhat in limbo these days. Every day it gets harder and harder to compile new packages or back-port fixes to 8.1 due to things like gcc and glibc changes over the years. [18:51] some people advertise, others just deliver [18:52] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [18:52] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [18:52] Alan_Hicks, that's fair enough, nothing can be maintained away from upstream in any serious way for too long [18:53] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:53] well, not without corporate backing [18:53] fire|bird (n=frame|bu@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [18:53] I would expect 11.0 to have a very long support life due to it being the last version to ship a 2.4 kernel. [18:53] frame|buffer (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:53] Nick change: fire|bird -> Guest78978 [18:54] me too Alan_Hicks i hope 11 has a long shelf life [18:56] Yeah, 2.4 is damn good for older PCs and VMs [18:57] i'd be using 2.4 on the PC i'm about to set up if it wasn't for the lack of Intel Pro 100+ Ethernet support [18:57] huh? There's e100 and eepro100 IIRC [18:58] nacho_ (n=nacho@190.51.28.149) joined ##slackware. [18:58] speaking of old stuff that gets better with time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI4aE21KWLg this song is roughly over 100 years old [18:58] But I disagree, there's not a whole lot of benefit to staying with old kernels. This ain't Windows. [18:59] rob0, I couldn't find e100 in 2.4's menuconfig anywhere :| [18:59] I disagree with rob0 [18:59] i have an old laptop if not for wifi i would be running 11 on it right now [18:59] thumbs down, you're just disagreeable [18:59] hahaha [18:59] rob0, 2.4 has much higher performance inside Virtual Machines than 2.6 or Windows NT 5/6.x :P [19:00] rob0: I disagree with that statement too [19:00] You resemble that remark, huh? [19:00] also 2.4 is favoured by those who want stability [19:01] Whenever the FreeBSD camp moan about Linux, they usually say how 2.4 has gradually reached stability and how 2.6 is chaotic :P [19:02] so there are some advantages to 2.4.x [19:02] HTTP version doesnt have README* docs http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/ FTP DOES ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/ same for many other mirrors too. [19:02] That said, mainline 2.6.27 kernel has long term support - which provides some stability [19:03] filename: /lib/modules/2.4.26/kernel/drivers/net/e100/e100.o.gz [19:03] rob0, sweet! [19:03] 2.6 is good depending on who built it, Pat does a great job building a stable yet generic kernel, cant say that for most other distros, i always build a custom kernel after a fresh slack install i love to build as lean a kernel as possible without losing features [19:03] kamaji_ (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "sleep" [19:04] NthDegree: It has been difficult, for MANY years, to find an Ethernet device without a Linux driver. [19:05] Pig_Pen, I can't remember if it was 12.1 or 12.2 but one release or another came with a set of kernels which missed either my network card or caused my hard disk not to work properly >_> [19:05] e100 is that intel ethernet chip [19:05] Pig_Pen, but other than that, the kernels have been good and reliable [19:05] nacho_ (n=nacho@190.51.28.149) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:06] And Intel maintains e100 driver in-house. [19:06] rob0, I must have just missed it in the menu :$ [19:06] titopoquito (n=tito@p508EF0A3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Verlassend" [19:06] oops, someone forgot to BOOST [19:07] okay, gtg, bye [19:07] cya later rob0 [19:07] Typist (n=Typist@e179155201.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [19:09] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-81-107-69-192.bmly.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:09] that menuconfig took me a little bit to get used to it when i first started building kernels i had to be careful when i disabled a feature because it would hide something else somewhere in another part of the menuconfig tool so i would have to go back and rebuild, but now i got it down so i know what needs to be built for each of the three PCs i own, i keep a copy of .config in /boot just in case i lose one by running make mrproper too [19:09] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-81-107-69-192.bmly.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [19:11] why is it that urxvt is such a popular terminal? [19:12] Pig_Pen, i'm fine with menuconfig on 2.6.x since i've built loads for that branch [19:12] except 2.6.30/31... as it screws up slightly [19:12] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-115.dial.telus.net) left irc: No route to host [19:12] it claims things aren't selected when in the config, they are [19:12] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.95.45) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:13] icarus_: for me personally, the perl goodness. others prefer transparency, i disable it during compilation [19:13] because it left me with two copies of some config options, both with different answers... was a pain [19:14] icarus_, I use to use mrxvt a lot = tabs [19:14] dive: ive been using terminator for a long time now [19:14] not heard of that one... [19:14] im just now really exploring other terms, and trying to see why they are/are not useful [19:14] i just don't see why i should manually configure Xdefaults, when the terminator script is convenient enough on its own [19:15] it can do vertical and horizontal splits, tabs, transparently, and such on its own [19:15] with no configuring [19:15] how does the startup time rate against terminal, urxvt etc? [19:16] dive: startup up time for terminator isn't so speedy [19:16] I'm mostly using terminal right now because of the fullscreen option [19:16] if 1 second is alot [19:16] opens faster than gnome-terminal [19:16] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] does it do fullscreen? [19:17] dchmelik (n=root@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [19:17] xfce terminal at fullscreen is like working in a tty [19:17] dive: yeah, default key is f11 [19:17] nice I will check it out [19:17] ctrl+shift+o does horizontal split [19:17] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:17] dchmelik (n=root@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [19:17] C+S+r does vertical split [19:17] as Pat says in the slack-desc of splitvt , if you want split terminals use GNU screen [19:18] yeah I tend to use screen for that [19:18] but not always running in screen [19:19] tglob (n=tglob@e179155201.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [19:20] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [19:20] Typist (n=Typist@e179155201.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:21] dive: ooh, mrxvt is very retro and snazzy looking [19:21] dive: i like it alot [19:22] i dont like the "Install everything (4.8+ GB of software, RECOMMENDED!)" because its a lie when i have unselected series in the previous window, making me rule out the choice "full" although its exactly what i need [19:22] icarus_, yeah - I need to check out its unicode options (if it has any) [19:22] honestly, i never do split screens though [19:22] except with weechat [19:22] mrxvt not support unicode [19:23] tglob: do you *really* want to get down to the brass tacks building a custom system, get a copy of CRUX linux and install & enjoy [19:23] gabriel_: is that important? [19:23] for me, yep [19:23] tglob: if you unselect stuff, then the "full" installation option in the next screen respects that. [19:24] Probably it should be made clearer. [19:24] i dont like split, i like an app to take up the whole screen, thats what multiple virtual desktops are for, so you can have many apps going in several virtual desktops [19:24] gabriel_: i don't mean to be an annoyance, but ive never understood the importance [19:24] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.95.45) joined ##slackware. [19:24] i DO mean to rhyme though [19:24] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-234.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:25] icarus_, for example, i'm Chilean and i need write some words with "ñ" [19:25] gabriel_: oh, gotcha, character support [19:26] localedef is your friend gabriel_ [19:27] interesting [19:27] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:28] dive: yeah, im digging mrxvt alot [19:28] bought the first mac of my life, and I must say that though I love that all the hardware just works, there are some things that just.. meh [19:29] when it comes to advanced usage and the way we are free to configure stuff it's no alternative [19:29] rworkman: yep. its just a tiny little newbie catch. [19:30] i been keeping an eye on craigslist for some PPC mac hardware i want to try it with slackintosh [19:30] meaning: great design item to have at home, but my work environment will definetly stay with slack [19:31] Pig_Pen: i'm fine with throwing out kde. no more customization needed :) [19:33] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:33] but theres a bunchload of crap in l/ only used by KDE :P [19:33] kde-3.x is fine, i am not sure about kde-4.x i will give it a spin when slack-13 is released, i know if i dont like kde-4 it is because of the way kde-4 is developed by the kde dev team (not pat's fault) as a fall back i already have a copy of kde * qt 3.x to roll my own [19:35] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left ##slackware. [19:36] i can live without kde, the wife and my two boys like that desktop so i have to think of them, personally i can live with most any WM like fvwm, xfce or whatever [19:37] icarus_, F11 doesn't seem to work for me in terminator [19:37] the only thing i am after is whats under the hood and a few apps to access the web and email i can work around most any problem, my pappy taught me to improvise the way the navy and usmc does [19:37] dive: im on arch linux, hah...maybe for slack its a little different [19:38] oh well [19:38] Pig_Pen: Personally I switched away from KDE4 in favour of XFCE. [19:38] and it's java - doesn't really fit in with my other apps [19:38] dive: yeah, thats the number one complaint i hear from most people [19:38] whats in current xfce-4.6.1 ? [19:39] Pig_Pen: aye. [19:39] dive: http://pastebin.com/f5864dcbc [19:39] Action: dive went fluxbox - xfce - kde - xfce - fluxbox [19:39] dive: if you want to try my config [19:39] k [19:39] Action: icarus_ openbox [19:39] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-182-77.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:41] icarus_, where do I put those? The ~/terminator/options file is xml [19:41] Nick change: powtrix__ -> powtrix [19:41] Pig_Pen: great. ever give openbsd a spin? i think it has less under-the-hood stuff to sift through if something goes wrong [19:41] dive: ~/.config/terminator/config [19:41] ok [19:41] gez512 (n=b@host-87-242-37-28.prtelecom.hu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:42] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [19:42] dive: check the man page, may be different for slack [19:42] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.28.149) joined ##slackware. [19:43] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left ##slackware. [19:43] paissad (n=paissad@245.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [19:43] icarus_, to be honest xfce terminal does most of that and looks better with my system [19:43] thanks for the suggestion though [19:43] dive: haha, yeah, another curiousity resolved! [19:44] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [19:45] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.95.45) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:45] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:45] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:45] systrik (n=c7de@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:46] yarvin (n=yarvin@static-71-166-162-195.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:48] systrik (n=c7de@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [19:48] tglob (n=tglob@e179155201.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [19:48] if I have a kernel that isn't properly loading, which log can I check to find out why? [19:48] icarus_, my .mrxvtrc: http://pastebin.com/m5465b9c3 [19:48] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [19:48] but it's been ages since I used it so maybe somethings aren't quite right [19:49] tglob: nope, mostly just FreeBSD, and a little bit of NetBSD, i do plan on trying OpenBSD on the one desktop that does not need wifi, but you said openbsd has the best wifi support out of those three??? [19:49] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:49] Pig_Pen: OpenBSD has better wireless support than linux too [19:49] just check out how easy it is to use wpa [19:50] dive: oh nice, thanks [19:50] hmm, by golly then OpenBSD is the way to go then, two out of three desktops i have require wifi [19:50] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:50] Pig_Pen: OpenBSD supports my Intel WiFi Link 5100 already, but NetBSD, FreeBSD, and DragonFlyBSD do not. [19:50] er what is hard about wpa_supplicant? o_0 [19:51] obsd is not suitable for desktops [19:51] what i have in two PCs (one desktop and one laptop) is the rt61 wifi chip, version 4 [19:51] dive: with openbsd you configure WPA with ifconfig [19:51] OpenBSD is best for servers [19:51] just as easily as you do wep [19:51] but with FreeBSD or linux you need wpa_supplicant and a config file to do it [19:51] dive: i like the tint [19:51] Action: dive doesn't 'do' wep :P [19:51] sahko: you dont know how determined i am to hack and mod something in to a desktop system [19:52] icarus_, tbh I forgot about the green lol [19:52] prefer just full trans now [19:52] OpenSolaris! [19:52] i would still pick FreeBSD for desktop/laptop usage, although I _really_ like the way OpenBSD does certain things a lot better [19:52] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [19:53] supergear: as a desktop? [19:53] openbsd is the most hardened out of the three main BSDs though (reputation and from info on the net) [19:53] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:54] Pig_Pen, try all 4 BSDs [19:54] supergear: i hear there are fears surrounding the life of the OpenSolaris project with Oracle's acquisition of Sun [19:54] FreeBSD is what i know the most [19:54] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:54] i wouldn't bet on opensolaris to survive in a long run [19:54] it's a shame though [19:54] Pig_Pen: ive read the wikis, but never tested them, and i don't really know what could be different betwee free/open/net/dragonfly/bsd [19:55] oracle is going to kill it [19:55] as far as the systems go [19:55] zfs is supposedly cool, cause it can dynamically expand [19:55] FreeBSD is the most featured. OpenBSD has the best documentation and quality. [19:55] i think dragonfly is a fork of an older version of freebsd [19:55] I've never used NetBSD [19:55] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [19:55] dragonfly of course has the coolest name [19:56] slackware cooler ;-) [19:56] Pig_Pen: it is. it is greatly different in how it implements threads and smp support [19:56] ananke, there is always freebsd :) [19:56] Oracle will kill everything [19:56] though i'm hopeful about opensolaris, i doubt it will retain the desktop oriented focus it has now [19:56] everything that is open sourced and does not make oracle money [19:57] so either java gets forked or it dies [19:57] open office? [19:57] same with anything else open by sun if it is forkable [19:58] they do have/had star office [19:58] i don't think community support would let something like openoffice die [19:58] its too useful [19:58] Pig_Pen, you're joking right? oracle killing java? hahaha their whole middleware is based on it [19:58] I would like to think they would keep open office going and use it as a dev playground to find additions to star office [19:58] nachox : if i wanted any less vendor support, then yes :) [19:59] that much of oracle's sytem depends on java? wow i guess java wont die [19:59] ananke, i'd still not touch redhat if they paid me to, maybe it's time to migrate to something like aix... [19:59] oracle killing java is unpossible [20:00] nachox : SLES :) [20:00] nachox, are you serious? [20:00] ananke, novel is dead... mostly [20:00] SLES isn't worth the money [20:00] nachox : nah [20:00] SLES is essentially OpenSuSE but behind a version each time and with enhanced tech support [20:00] novell will keep chugging for a long time [20:01] think about their business, it's like sun's case with sparc but with their legacy networking stuff [20:01] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-94-254-64-142.NA.cust.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [20:01] NthDegree : and? it's the same with fedora and rhel [20:01] their only real useful asset is the log management stuff which is really cool imho [20:01] ananke: RHEL and Fedora are worlds apart [20:01] ananke, no it's not.. SLES is literally one minor version away from EOL OpenSuSE [20:01] zaltekk : not that much. rhel is very stripped fedora [20:02] then what they do is make the EOL'ed OpenSuSE last 6 months longer [20:02] ananke: RHEL and Fedora are both extremes. extremely stable versus extremely new. there isn't any middle ground [20:02] Then each Service Pack is the next EOL'ed minor OpenSuSE release [20:02] OpenSUSE and SLES are much closer to the same thing [20:02] NthDegree : i'm not sure why that would be a bad thing [20:03] MySQL is going to die? [20:03] i dont think so [20:03] well, the name maybe, it's now mariadb [20:03] ananke, because you can simulate it by taking the oldest supported OpenSuSE and upgrading every 6 months to the version on the edge of EOL [20:04] ananke, and that produces something pretty much identical to SLES/SLED [20:04] NthDegree : except you can't manage it via zenworks [20:04] NthDegree: and and CentOS is pretty much the same as RHEL. so what [20:04] zaltekk, sure and people should use that over RHEL - plus they're actually getting a rebuild RHEL :P [20:05] This is all speculation though. It is hard to say what will happen in the next few years... [20:05] ananke, except there are other maintenance frameworks that will be ported over time, like Spacewalk (or is it Moonwalk? ;p) [20:06] Question.. why can't people use Slackware or Debian rather than the "enterprise" distros? [20:07] because slackware is not easy to maintain in an 'enterprise' environment [20:07] cause Slackware isn't an enterprise distro [20:07] and vendors don't know what you're talking about, when you mention debian [20:07] nor is RHEL or SLES without the support :P [20:07] _budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [20:07] slackware doesn't have support like RHEL and SLES [20:07] rhel and sles have more 'enterprise' features than slackware [20:08] What about Ubuntu LTS then? They have an enterprise management system called "landscape" IIRC [20:08] NthDegree: hahaha [20:08] NthDegree: ubuntu on a server? Hahaha [20:08] ubuntu lts is nice from the longetivity perspective [20:08] thumbs : why not? [20:08] <_budo> i cant ping yahoo.com but i can ping its ip address [20:08] the starship enterprise would be better if it ran slackware [20:08] thumbs, it's crap I know.. but it's "enterprise" atleast ;) [20:08] <_budo> whats wrong now? [20:08] _budo, DNS issue [20:08] _budo: cat /etc/resolv.conf [20:08] does it look normal? [20:09] ananke: have you dealt with their packages before? [20:09] bash: dog: command not found [20:09] pig [20:09] man pig [20:09] Ubuntu has vendor certifications, a fully supported MAC system (AppArmor) and a corporation offering enterprise support [20:09] thumbs : yes. i don't particularly care for them, but i don't consider it that bad either [20:09] No manual entry for pig [20:09] pig -- eformatray inputway asway Igpay Atinlay [20:09] <_budo> it reads search example.net @ zaltekk [20:10] and 5 years of server support (what about desktop apps? 3 years sucks!) [20:10] ananke: well some of them are severely misconfigured, as shipped. [20:10] NthDegree : 'vendor certifications' versus 'vendor support' is different. i can't think of any software or hardware that we've bought in many years, where the vendor would support debian or ubuntu [20:10] ananke: I imagine that once fixed, the OS could be OK. [20:10] _budo: do you use DHCP? [20:10] <_budo> yes [20:11] ubuntu is trying to cash in on the entreprise market. [20:11] <_budo> this is a new install of slackware [20:11] <_budo> _budo: your dhcpcd should put the nameserver lines into /etc/resolv.conf for you [20:11] but you can try manually adding them [20:11] ananke, I know of plenty of vendor-supported desktop hardware, I can't speak for server hardware though [20:11] thumbs : and that's a good thing [20:12] <_budo> its a router at home [20:12] ananke, other than that they boast a lot on the website every time they get new hardware certified [20:12] _budo: "cat nameserver 208.67.222.222 >> /etc/resolv.conf" [20:12] as root or with sudo [20:12] also 208.67.222.220 [20:12] zaltekk, cat? [20:12] err [20:12] echo [20:12] you mean echo [20:12] sorry [20:12] HP and Dell both offer support for Ubuntu on a business workstation [20:13] and it needs quotes [20:13] I think [20:13] HP even offer support if you buy with Windows and replace with Ubuntu (Dell do not though) [20:13] _budo: "echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 >> /etc/resolv.conf" [20:13] er.. [20:13] it doesn't need quotes [20:13] echo "nameserver 208.67.222.222" >> /etc/resolv.conf [20:14] try it [20:14] yeah [20:14] dell has very decent linux support on the server side [20:14] shouldn't it be: echo "nameserver 208.67.222.222" >> /etc/resolv.conf :P [20:15] _budo, how are you starting your network? [20:15] NthDegree: the quotes aren't needed [20:15] it should start dhcpcd [20:15] <_budo> it looks likes it doin it now [20:15] you can tell dhcpcd to not generate an /etc/resolv.conf [20:15] but it does it by default [20:16] yeah but it sounds like dhcpcd wasn't even started [20:16] or he would have an entry [20:17] <_budo> whats the importance of that address? [20:18] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.160.209) left irc: "leaving" [20:18] _budo, that's where your pc gets all its ip addresses from [20:18] when you type google.com it actually goes to the nameserver and asks for the ip [20:18] <_budo> its a dhcp internet server? [20:18] <_budo> k [20:18] then it connects to that ip [20:18] _budo: it tells linux where the servers that translate the words to ips [20:19] _budo: those are the OpenDNS.Org DNS servers [20:19] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:19] _budo: since I of course don't know what they are for your ISP [20:20] <_budo> i probably have to do lot of manual labor because i didnt choose any gui [20:20] <_budo> now i want X windows [20:20] _budo: you didn't install X? [20:20] you mean you didn't install one, or just didn't select one in the setup? [20:21] <_budo> no i wanted to learn everything from the cl [20:21] type xwmconfig [20:21] <_budo> they said u learn everything that way [20:21] you can still have a terminal from within a gui [20:21] _budo: you can untar the .tgz files for X from the installation media [20:21] o0 [20:22] _budo, what happens if you type xwmconfig as user, then type startx [20:22] <_budo> xwmconfig does not work [20:23] <_budo> command not found [20:23] ok then you need to install the X series from the dvd [20:23] are you familiar with mounting a dvd/cd? [20:23] <_budo> right [20:23] <_budo> i have the dvd [20:23] <_budo> yes i think [20:24] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) left irc: "adios amigos" [20:24] <_budo> cds are on scsi [20:24] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:24] not sure which cd has X - probably cd 2 [20:24] <_budo> and i mount to /mnt/cd [20:24] <_budo> its a dvd [20:24] ok [20:24] ah good [20:25] mount /dev/dvd /mnt/dvd should work [20:25] then you can 'cd' into the /mnt/cd/slackware/x directory and run pkgtool, then select install from current directoy [20:26] <_budo> k [20:26] dive: i thought the package sets weren't usable from installpkg? [20:26] zaltekk, why would you think that? [20:26] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [20:26] you can installpkg anything on the install media [20:26] dive: i think i read somewhere that you had to just manually unpack them on top of the root directory [20:27] that they weren't really pacakges [20:27] no [20:27] they are normal slackware packages [20:27] i must be thinking of something else then [20:27] and untar into / will not run the doinstall.sh that some have to ceate symlinks etc [20:28] and they won't get logged in /var/log/packages/ [20:29] dive: correct. i was just remembering incorrectly that they aren't pacakges [20:29] i must have gotten slackware's install media confused with something elses [20:29] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-94-254-64-142.NA.cust.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:30] <_budo> which environment do u recommend only have 512 mb ram and 8 gig hd [20:30] Arch [20:30] _budo : desktop environment/window manager? [20:30] _budo, I would say fluxbox myself [20:30] <_budo> arch is like gnome and kde? [20:30] _budo : what's the cpu? [20:30] or xfce [20:31] Oh, environment. [20:31] I use Xfce [20:31] <_budo> 1.8 ghz [20:31] but Arch linux is like, 300mb [20:31] then you can install & update programs with pacman -S [20:31] try installing xfce and fluxbox [20:31] _budo : any will do just fine. [20:31] a simple update is pacman -Syu [20:31] <_budo> k [20:31] but Slackware <3 [20:31] dunno how much space xfce takes though [20:31] illuz1oN: he didn't ask about package management [20:32] I was explaining how good it is for small HD's [20:32] pity zipslack is no longer around [20:32] 8gb of disk space is sufficient for any distro [20:32] didn't it change into zenwalk and then get big? [20:33] i agree, 8 gigs will handle most any distro, it wont leave room for much else though [20:34] but it's good enough to learn from [20:35] 6GB is plenty for Slackware+Extras [20:35] depends on the extras [20:35] extras as in extra software/data, not the the extra packages [20:36] /dev/root 9.7G 6.2G 3.0G 68% / [20:36] dive: if it only has a 6GB harddrive, i don't think he will be compiling OOo or anything like that [20:36] zaltekk, you don't need to compile OOo - just install the SBo from binaries [20:36] helenia- (i=alone@41.236.14.229) joined ##slackware. [20:37] but there may be other things he wants/needs [20:37] dive: it was an example [20:38] <_budo> anyone that says 'a part of X' im pressing enter [20:38] _budo, you will need mostly all of that except specific drivers that you don't have hardware for [20:39] but you can remove them later in pkgtool [20:39] bkUp (n=bkUp@200-155-169-154.static.spo.ifx.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[20:47] not sure if socket or the modem is b0rked, or whether I should just buy a pcmcia card [20:48] there seems to be plenty of cards on ebay with no cable aka useless [20:49] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-180-185-146.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [20:51] _juan (n=juan@200.109.130.59) joined ##slackware. [20:52] <_juan> i've downloaded slamd64 32 bit libraries, but when i try to run lazarus i get this error message lazarus: error while loading shared libraries: libglib-1.2.so.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64. Does anyone know how to fix this? [20:55] sounds like lazarus is compiled against the 32 bit glib [20:56] <_budo> the foreign font files? dive [20:57] hoobop (n=user@c-69-254-158-129.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] <_juan> i could not compile lazarus from source with slackware64, so i downloaded 32bit libraries from slamd64 and now i get this error message [21:00] Digit (n=digit@74.46.65.174) joined ##slackware. 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[21:42] <_budo> nevamind. im installing everything [21:42] you never asked a question [21:42] <_budo> wanted to know if i needed it [21:43] paissad (n=paissad@245.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:43] install everything [21:44] removepkg afterwards if you don't need it [21:44] _budo : no, chances are you don't need it [21:44] ananke sounds like anakin skywalker [21:44] :D [21:44] he's a star wars nut! [21:44] yeah.. he hasn't heard that one before... [21:44] gabriel : sure, if you're a drunk dyslexic [21:45] lol [21:45] he loved The Phantom Menace [21:45] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:47] yarvin (n=yarvin@static-71-166-162-195.washdc.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [21:48] Nick change: ClaudioM -> ClaudioSezRELAX [21:48] strangerandomconcat(dart mouth) = dark vader [21:48] <_budo> they need to tell newbies just to install everything and only once u learn linux u can be selective in your choices [21:48] _budo : that is the recommended slackware method [21:50] _budo: the installer pops up a dialog that says is is "RECOMMENDED" to install everything [21:50] _budo: noo... They shall install only the necessary, and when they need stuff, they can download it [21:51] helenia- (i=alone@41.236.14.229) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:51] steiger (n=steiger@189.105.136.22) joined ##slackware. [21:52] Action: dartmouth breathes into his mask [21:52] archimandrita (n=pacus@142.Red-81-44-13.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:52] malk667, some of the oldschool geeks want it that way, and it might be necessary for you depending on task-specific machines, but if it's a general desktop system you're building pull your head out of the caves [21:54] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:54] it's not a 'newbie' kind of thing, it's having a system where your time is spent actually using your system. [21:54] malk667, dartmouth: i would say to at least have a full development environment so that they don't have issues buidling and installing new software [21:54] ^^ [21:55] <_budo> right and have access to a network [21:55] yeah, just install it all. if you don't need X, it's ok to install it anyway. it isn't going to hurt. [21:55] again unless you've got specific plans that are going to be affected by it [21:56] *note: you can always remove those packages later [21:56] zaltekk: yeah... maybe for desktop is cool to do it that way if you are in a super-hurry... [21:57] Action: dartmouth sighs as he types from his windows 7 client LOL [21:57] grazymax (n=grazymax@host169-154-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:57] It is not necessary to have a DNS server in a desktop, or cups when you don't have printer [21:57] malk667, yeah it is. [21:57] why? [21:57] malk667: i would keep CUPS in case you buy a printer. but i'd have it disabled [21:58] <_budo> once you learn your stuff then you can "trim down" [21:58] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "test34" [21:58] because you might decide to buy a printer, or maybe you need to act as a dns backup because you decided on a whim to purchase a domain name. the 2 minutes of installation time outweighs the hours of setup you're going to put into doing it yourself because you wanted to show off to people that really didn't care all that much in the first place. [22:00] well... so you need maybe a 4tera HD because there are many many things that you may have someday [22:00] usr (n=usr@189.115.227.230.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:00] usr (n=usr@189.115.227.230.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left ##slackware. [22:00] malk667, no because extra storage space is a ten second deal. [22:00] it is not difficult to install cups or a DNS server [22:01] no one said it was. [22:01] malk667: how much space do you have ? [22:01] again, your need to show off is hindering your microcomputing efficiency. [22:01] it's about time, and stability. [22:01] thrice` in home? or in the labs? hehe [22:02] if you want a smaller install, un-select stuff like e/, k/, kdei/, t/ [22:02] i bought a SATA hd that was $500GB for about $80 nearly two years ago [22:02] ok, but you want your boot to be faster?! [22:02] i don't think installing the entire slackware dvd is going to waste my space [22:02] or that i will waste money on more space for my cups server [22:02] malk667: don't waste your time arguing with cpunches [22:02] malk667: i didn't say i'd run cups before i need it [22:02] a few lines and then youre done, or, you have to go in and do a comprehensive research into your system setup to make sure you don't leave anything unkempt during your install. you really miss out that way. but yeah if you want to ---- wait, what? your boot time isn't affected much by your package series selections during the install at all. you should research this. [22:02] i'd just install it with the other default options [22:03] zaltekk: I know... that is not the point, I want my system to be clean [22:03] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@infectious.cc) left irc: "Leaving" [22:03] malk667: i agree. but i usually consider the default installation to be clean. [22:03] at least when it comes to slackware and bsd. [22:04] by the way, malk667 watch out for that thumbs guy; he comes in here routinely and knowingly gives false information to newbies so that they'll get frustrated. [22:04] dartmouth: it takes too long to init a CUPS, DNS, etc services that I will not use [22:04] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:04] malk667, just because cups is installed doesn't mean you have to leave the rc script script on [22:04] malk667: you don't start them [22:04] malk667: disagree; just because cups is installed, does NOT mean it starts at boot [22:04] in the default-full ionstalation, yes! [22:04] only if rc.cups is +x will it start [22:05] no!! the installation asks you which services to start [22:05] but when i carry my laptop to a printer, i can just start cups instead of installing, configuring, and then finally starting. [22:05] humm... if you select all services.. but you will not then? [22:05] what? [22:06] by default, they are not all selected obviously [22:06] the installer asks you which services you want to run [22:06] it defaults to cups, hal, sshd, and one or two others [22:06] messagebus [22:06] and fuse [22:06] zaltekk, everyone should be checking what's executable in that directory anyways. [22:06] ok... if you have space you can install everything, I don't think it is good for a known-purpose computer, such as a server or a node of a cluster [22:07] malk667, that's what i was saying about task-specific machines. [22:07] malk667: i wouldn't install everything for a specialized box [22:07] and, really, it doesn't affect that much. this is not windows. [22:07] but i would for my home server and my laptop [22:08] I trim quite a bit, that said :) [22:08] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:08] i've done the full install for years, on both servers and workstations. never had a problem, plus it's nice to have whatever you need when you compile things [22:08] and i only enable the services i need [22:09] malk667, what i mean by that, is that you could install tons of packages, and what you're actually running while the machine is up is what would dictate the performance of your 'server', which I'm assuming is just a LAMP gig. [22:09] Digit (n=digit@74.46.65.174) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:09] <_budo> so, you have everything on there but you just disable what u dont need? [22:10] _budo, yup [22:10] absolutely [22:10] the most annoying problem i ever run into is finding out that simple things like iwconfig or lspci don't exist on a system [22:10] because it was a minimal install instead of a default [22:10] <_budo> a security video i was watching said not to do that [22:11] i used to do minimal installs, but found it wasn't worth the time [22:11] _budo, which one? [22:11] can anyone answer me why there is not a good package manager in Slackware? [22:11] _budo: it probably was saying to not have a bunch of services you don't need. which means disabling their startup script in /etc/rc.d [22:11] slackpkg is fine [22:11] just chmod -x it [22:11] <_budo> something about not having the apps you dont need at all lessens malware attacks [22:11] there is the best package manager in slackware [22:11] malk667, there is one, you just don't know how to use it. [22:11] dartmouth: Slapt-get? [22:11] malk667: pkgtool, installpkg, removepkg, etc [22:11] slackpkg too [22:11] slackware is meant for those who don't want dependency resolution; it's a feature, not something that's missing [22:11] zaltekk: those resolve dependencies? [22:12] malk667: you said package manager, not dependency resolver [22:12] ok... I mean 'dependency resolver' indeed [22:12] they manage the packages just fine [22:12] malk667: why should it? other distros do that already [22:12] malk667: there are tools that do that. just google it. [22:12] <_budo> linux secuirty by vtc @ dart [22:12] where is internet explorer! gosh darn it i cant surf the intertubes ;p [22:12] malk667, yes one is included--- it's called your brain. [22:13] (dependency resolver) [22:13] they break stuff. [22:13] Have you guys ever tried BSD systems, the ports system is something sublime [22:13] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:13] malk667, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slapt-get <- might be for you [22:13] malk667: if you really want it, i believe NetBSD's pkgsrc runs on slackware [22:13] malk667, yes. you can use rsync and some clever bash scripting to simulate the freebsd ports system on slackware. [22:13] yup, either they break stuff or load a bunch of crap you dont want when you were after one package or library [22:13] i've never used it though. i tend to only run FreeBSD. [22:14] Pig_Pen: ports???? [22:14] rsync the slackbuilds.org repo to /usr/ports/ :) [22:14] (check out slackbuilds.org with rsync) [22:14] malk667, you sound like a candidate for ArchLinux - they have a Slackware'ish feel in the sense of not overpatching things and they have ports ;) [22:14] ok, I will co later [22:14] malk667: try Crux Linux, it has a great ports system [22:14] thrice`, yup :D [22:14] Pig_Pen, that too ^_^ [22:14] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:15] thrice`: why would you rsync the slackbuild scripts? [22:15] malk667, and Arch offers packages with dependency resolution as the primary source of installing things :P [22:15] wouldn't you still have to go fetch the source for each package? [22:15] zaltekk: to build packages ? [22:15] zaltekk, you can use another script to do the $appname.info file to download the source automatically and then install the resulting slackware package [22:15] ah, okay dartmouth [22:15] that sounds much more useful [22:15] NthDegree: I have used Archlinux, then... in a routine atualization the system failed hehe [22:15] zaltekk: no, I have a "dl" script that grabs the source, and "build" that builds a package :> [22:15] oh yeah. saves me tons of time [22:15] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [22:16] thrice`: yes, sounds nice. i'll look into it. [22:16] sbopkg is also a great tool [22:17] zaltekk, you can just 'source *.info' and then all the variables in that script are imported into the environment then `wget $DOWNLOAD` and you know what to do from there [22:17] why there is not a default ports-like system in Slackware? [22:17] because! there are other distros for that [22:17] malk667: to keep it simple [22:17] malk667, because slackbuilds is not official [22:17] SBo is great, but it is important to know that they aren't supported by Slackware [22:18] it is a community thing [22:18] hello guys, I am using this wvdial to connect using my wireless usb device, but I could not find /dev/ttyUSB0 in slack. Anybody here have successfully tried wvdial and made it work in slack? [22:18] malk667, because Slackware is about giving users their slack back :P [22:18] malk667, the system is geared around people choosing how they want their PC to be set up [22:18] even though Slackbuilds.org is not official it is the best there is as far as adding third party packages [22:18] thrice`: And what is the meaning of slackware since the meaning of the 'other *** distros' are to have those [22:19] Pig_Pen: yep [22:19] if it had ports, people would complain. if it did dependencies, people would complain. slackware just kind of goes in its own direction [22:19] thrice`++ [22:19] haha yeah pat kind of leaves it to us to screw up our own systems.... [22:19] if you want some crappy tool to do deps, you can use it. if you want ports, you can find some too. if you want to do everything by hand, you can [22:19] malk667: things in slackware are the way the authors of the included software packages make it, more or less. [22:20] not much else is added or changed [22:20] thrice`: this is a bad way of avoiding discussions [22:20] Slackware is made to offer what other modern systems don't offer [22:20] installpkg/removepkg is just there so that your system can easily stay clean [22:20] Most people use a modern day PC where they just accept what is infront of them [22:21] malk667: I disagree; many think slackware "lacks" things that other distros provide, while it is the INTENTION to lack them, because slackware users prefer it that way [22:21] malk667: you can get pksrc or slapt-get. then you can have similar package management tools to NetBSD and Debian. [22:21] malk667, they aren't avoiding the discussion-- its that those types of tools vary so widely and generally break systems frequently. [22:21] and dependency resolution adds crap you don't need [22:21] malk667: how is that not good enough for you? [22:21] <_budo> dhcp/dns server to run at boot time? [22:21] slackware is a very 'stable' system. even its development version is more stable than some of the other distros i've worked with [22:21] I use Arch on my main system and dependency resolution means I have to have avahi crap on my PC, yet I don't actually need it [22:22] _budo: hmm? you'll want to run dhcpcd at boot time, not a dhcp server. and not a dns server. [22:22] zaltekk: I have tried, they are not even close to ports or apt-get... [22:22] why should I have to make a stub for everything I don't need [22:22] malk667: yes they are. the tools are nearly the same [22:22] <_budo> ok [22:22] malk667: pkgsrcc _is_ ports for NetBSD/DrangonFlyBSD/(i believe)OpenBSD [22:22] -c [22:23] malk667, I dare you to produce your own system the exact way you want it based around dpkg [22:23] the original FreeBSD implementation is different [22:23] NthDegree: no... in ports they don't add crap that you will not use... [22:23] f-bsd ports are ugly [22:23] gotta shut this one down [22:23] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:23] yeah they are [22:23] you can ruin your system with it if you don't pay attention [22:23] thrice`: agreed. [22:23] malk667, oh yes they do! FreeBSD ports are not Gentoo ebuilds - they don't let you dictate everything [22:23] i still like the system as a whole though [22:23] john_dee (n=id@93-81-3-168.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [22:24] and even Gentoo ebuilds don't let you do that [22:24] that is why ./configure is prefered =] [22:24] in all fairness, the general structure of dependencies in unix-like environments could probably use an overhaul. [22:25] streamlining. thats the word im looking for. [22:25] NthDegree: it depends of the mantainer of the port... some are carefully did to use only the necessary [22:25] malk667, but then you're not choosing what extra crap you do want ;-p [22:25] malk667: and wouldn't you like to make that decision yourself? [22:25] welcome to slackware [22:25] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [22:25] lol [22:25] malk667, also ever used QEMU on FBSD? [22:26] The port maintainer did a fantastic job of grabbing a non-working copy from CVS on my behalf! [22:26] hey now, fbsd benchmarks better than linux in a lot of tasks. [22:26] or he/she did when I last used it [22:26] the thing that i really like about FreeBSD package management is the portaudit tool [22:26] NthDegree: how can you agree about a full-complete intalation and at the same time say that ports sucks because of the crap they install [22:26] dartmouth, yes FBSD does, the ports don't :P [22:26] steiger (n=steiger@189.105.136.22) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:27] malk667, what do you mean? [22:27] NthDegree, yeah they need some more standards; tbh they should start migrating towards linux compliancy [22:27] seems like they are in some ways [22:27] dartmouth, they got the chaos going on in some of their ports, they're getting there :P [22:28] NthDegree: what chaos? [22:28] and the supplicating to NVIDIA (for 64-bit support) [22:28] malk667, some ports use development versions without telling you [22:28] NthDegree: yep...that is another reason why i didn't put FreeBSD on this laptop [22:28] nVidia is making them change how 64bit works in order to get a binary driver [22:28] as in when a stable was right there and working 2 days ago, the maintainer migrates to CVS/SVN for what appears to be little/no reason [22:30] NthDegree: Well... I never saw this before [22:30] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:31] malk667, it happens quite a bit if the maintainer thinks it's a safe change to make - FreeBSD's base system is stable, but ports are cutting-edge [22:31] and it doesn't just happen in FBSD either [22:32] NthDegree: I'm building a cluster, and I will run benchmarks with BSD and Linux kernels, when I talk to a BSD guy he says to me that BSD works better in parallel computing, and when I talk to a linux, the oposite thing... [22:33] malk667, thats because both people can tune things for max performance and both can't know the best combinations for both systems :P [22:33] while we are on the topic of packages...is there a better way to check for security updates than just checking the directory on the slackware ftp? [22:33] NthDegree: There was a problem with the linux scheduler in the past, so BSD was way more faster [22:33] nooblet (n=Limited@pool-71-242-221-56.phlapa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:33] NthDegree: I will do it with a double-blind methos then =] [22:34] imma take a pitcher at the green room [22:34] malk667, schedulers have always been changing, FBSD hasn't had perfect scheduling either [22:34] FreeBSD's 8.0 rc has a new scheduler enabled by default, i believe [22:34] or maybe it was 7.2 [22:34] it was some time recently that it was switched to the default scheduler [22:35] 7.x got a new one enabled by default at one point [22:35] NthDegree: okay. then it must have been 7.2 [22:35] yeah its pretty sweet, too [22:35] I've got my site running nothing on it lol [22:38] NthDegree: Okk.. For clusters purpose is likely to work with linux because of the improvements did in that area, there is not many people working with hpc in BSD [22:38] what is the best way to check my installed packages again the security updates? [22:38] for example, i know that i don't need the wicd update because wicd is in extra/ [22:38] but what is an easier way than memory? [22:38] slackpkg [22:39] isn't slackpkg an extra? or is that slacktrack? [22:39] malk667, only way is to test because performance will fluctuate between Linux kernels - if you're going to use Linux stick with 2.6.27.x as it has long-term support from mainline kernel developers [22:39] slackpkg is included by default [22:39] okay, thanks thrice` [22:39] sure :) [22:39] LordMetroid (n=lordmetr@90-224-93-243-no108.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:39] doesn't slapt-get let you update easily? [22:39] since Pat provides slackpkg, and not slapt-get, it's the better choice [22:40] yes [22:40] phreak (i=1000@ool-44c7c8db.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:40] yeah naturally [22:40] last time i tried slapt-get i fucked by wrong download link, it removed and didnt installed the package [22:40] but, with official slackware updates, I don't think slapt-get is any easier than slackpkg [22:41] i just want the official patches, slackpkg looks like it is exactly what i wanted :P [22:41] slapt-get is striped down to the bare bones, it does not resolve dependencies like debian's apt-get, if you decide to use apt-get to check for updates only use it with an official mirror [22:42] NthDegree: I'm going to compilate the newest kernel to adequate it to the machines [22:42] i still use: for i in a x xap ...; do upgradepkg --install-new $i/*.t*z; done [22:42] I ?HAS A MASIIVaota a/4a [22:42] NthDegree: In the processor type... there is not i7, so what do I put? core2? [22:42] malk667, whatever is closest [22:43] i believe an i7 is a Core 2 [22:43] quad [22:44] NthDegree: ahh... there is a problem too... the 64bits kernels, they don't have not even the core2 arch... so is good to use 64bits? [22:44] zaltekk: in the label there is core i7 [22:44] ah, perfect. "slackpkg update && slackpkg- upgrade-all" gives me an ncurses menu that shows which security updates my system needs and lets me hand select them [22:45] minus the typo :P [22:45] malk667, that's because Core 2 isn't a specific architecture, it's based around a family. Also, if the CPU is 64-bit why would you use 32-bit? [22:45] :P [22:46] like to buy a 22'' monitor and use it as 640x480 [22:46] Action: dartmouth does both of those [22:47] NthDegree: maybe there is not enough suport in the kernel level, and some programs that operate too much pointers are slower in 64bit systems, but I think 64bits is the best choice... [22:47] powtrix: why? [22:47] code0 (n=daniel@c95153e0.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [22:47] y0 [22:47] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:47] powtrix, for movies? :P [22:48] alot of features [22:48] malk667, yes but alongside that you get NX bit support and better memory management - when you enable support for more than 1GB on 32-bit, you're losing performance. [22:49] code0 (n=daniel@c95153e0.virtua.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [22:49] NthDegree: yes, and there is also 4gb in each machine, that will be a loose [22:50] To quote something quite funny: http://kerneltrap.org/node/2450 [22:50] "It is advised to not enable CONFIG_HIGHMEM in the kernel to utilize the extra 128 MB you get for your 1 GB RAM system. I/O Devices cannot directly address high memory from PCI space, so bounce buffers have to be used. Plus the virtual memory management and paging costs come with extra mappings. For details on bounce buffers, refer to Mel Gorman's documentation (link below)." [22:50] Action: powtrix looking the link @@ [22:50] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:51] So anyone who has a 64-bit CPU with a 32-bit kernel running with 1GB RAM or more is being silly methinks >_> [22:51] http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=powtrix-3983-22049-18211 [22:52] powtrix, I blame firefox :p [22:52] i forgot to kill it :) [22:54] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:56] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:56] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151138048.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [22:57] right i'm off for the night, and since I have massively annoying must-not-leave-unattended disks i'll have to shutdown :( [22:57] what do you guys think about google os? [22:57] bill gates didnt like the idea [22:57] slak, not tried it but if it's Linux-based it will sink [22:58] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-138-43.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:58] NthDegree: is linux based? [22:58] google os for netbooks, like ubuntu with minimal gnome maybe [22:59] slackpkg is the best [22:59] rapid_ (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [22:59] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Nick collision from services. [23:00] Nick change: rapid_ -> rapid [23:00] it's also pretty smart in how it updates [23:04] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-234.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Wakka Wakka" [23:05] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] you want minimal for netbooks? bash is good enough [23:07] :) [23:09] after I upgrade firefox-3.5.1 running alt-f2 i see two firefox, both does not work. is possible to clean/fix that/ [23:09] alt-f2 ? what is it you expect that to do [23:09] kde [23:09] run [23:10] run it from a terminal and see the output/error msgs [23:10] it works [23:10] from kde menu works fine, just from alt-f2 does not [23:11] maybe you got two firefox versions installed [23:11] you use upgradepkg or installpkg [23:11] ? [23:11] upgradepkg [23:12] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:13] ejm_ (n=ezra@75-174-114-185.bois.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [23:13] bom vou dormir, ate [23:13] ejm (n=ezra@75-174-112-231.bois.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:14] até =] [23:15] -__- [23:16] powtrix, kde launcher works with other app? [23:19] ejm_ (n=ezra@75-174-114-185.bois.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:21] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:23] <_budo> the installation path for the browser is /usr/lib/mozilla or /usr/lib/firefox ? [23:23] <_budo> they both r the same right? [23:23] no, one says mozilla, the other firefox [23:24] <_budo> same company [23:24] to see what the firefox package put on your system, do "cat /var/log/packages/mozilla-firefox-blahblah" [23:25] Nick change: ClaudioSezRELAX -> ClaudioM [23:25] cat: /var/log/packages/mozilla-firefox-blahblah: No such file or directory [23:26] :< hmmmmmm [23:26] ;) [23:26] <_budo> ima put firefox [23:30] night guys, i'm off to sleep [23:30] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:30] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] good night to all of you [23:31] <_budo> good night [23:31] malk667 (i=enriquef@189.105.65.22) left ##slackware. [23:31] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:32] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.28.149) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:32] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [23:33] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:35] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:37] cat /var/log/packages/mozilla-firefox-blahblah [23:38] that will always come up no such file or directory [23:38] unless you actually have a package called blahblahblah [23:46] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:50] elkng (n=wnb@80.243.77.180) joined ##slackware. [23:53] kejen: no. really? seriously? [23:56] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:57] stating the obvious :) [23:57] cat /var/log/packages/mozilla-f # that might work, where " means you hit the Tab key. [23:58] CaptObviousman: Folks are infringing on your territory. [23:58] rob0: obviously he's not doing his job ;~) [23:58] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [23:59] emosaurass (n=emosaura@c-98-230-191-150.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:59] rhys (n=rhys@cpe-75-185-191-55.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:59] Obviously! [00:00] --- Mon Jul 20 2009