[00:00] <alkos333> antiwire: That's pretty sweet.  If you are online , what's your ekiga.net account?
[00:01] <antiwire> ekiga is rad. I can't wait until they add multi line support
[00:02] <alkos333> rad?
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[00:02] <antiwire> bitchen ;)
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[00:02] <alkos333> Ok, so what's your ekiga account?
[00:02] <alkos333> I'd like to test it out here.
[00:02] <antiwire> alkos333: I PM'd it to you
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[00:03] <alkos333>  Ah, sorry
[00:03] <alkos333> It's late - I'm slow
[00:03] <antiwire> lol
[00:03] <antiwire> ekiga will do that to you
[00:04] <antiwire> can you hear me?
[00:04] <alkos333> hmm.. nope
[00:04] <alkos333> wow..
[00:04] <antiwire> All I get when I call you is static
[00:04] <antiwire> massive static
[00:04] <newslacker> Feels like im in a foreign country with these convos.
[00:05] <alkos333> well there's a laptop right next to it..
[00:05] <alkos333> very noisy
[00:05] <fhobia> anybody edit movies in linux? :-)
[00:05] <alkos333> antiwire: I'm also connected through my phone, maybe that's why.
[00:05] <antiwire> alkos333: probably , yeah
[00:05] <alkos333> let's try again in a few.
[00:05] <antiwire> fhobia: kino or avidemux
[00:05] <antiwire> alkos333: k
[00:06] <trhodes> fhobia: cinerella too
[00:06] <antiwire> alkos333: I know my install works since I have tested it with all three of those sip providers I mentioned
[00:06] <alkos333> Did you hear my voice at all though?
[00:06] <antiwire> nope
[00:06] <amazon10x> anyone here running kde 4.4.1?
[00:06] <fhobia> cool, i'll check those out
[00:06] <fhobia> i also see some thing called "open movie editor"
[00:07] <antiwire> alkos333: I could make out variations in the sound but it was super noisy
[00:07] <antiwire> I couldn't make out voice at all
[00:07] <amazon10x> i'm wondering if updating to the new stuff added in the past week to -current will break anything
[00:07] <antiwire> amazon10x: It could break some icons
[00:07] <trhodes> libpng ?
[00:07] <antiwire> I think that has something to do with it
[00:07] <MLanden> fhobia, LiVES is another one as well
[00:08] <amazon10x> eh, that's not too bad. i'll go for it
[00:08] Action: fhobia writes LiVES down
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[00:08] <antiwire> alkos333: Did you get my test SIP message?
[00:08] <trhodes> i've just learned of 4 new FLOSS video editors in the past couple days
[00:09] <alkos333> antiwire: Yes
[00:09] <antiwire> can you send back?
[00:09] <alkos333> hmm..
[00:09] <antiwire> I'm getting nothing
[00:09] <alkos333> no
[00:09] <antiwire> You probably have port issues
[00:09] <alkos333> for some reason it says
[00:09] <alkos333> https://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#inbox/12772e95a7038900
[00:10] <antiwire> It's sending gmail URLs?
[00:10] <antiwire> what in the hell
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[00:12] <antiwire> alkos333: call this number for testing: sip:904@mouselike.org
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[00:12] <alkos333> antiwire: Alright, will do.
[00:12] <antiwire> use option 1
[00:14] <alkos333> Do you have a webcam?
[00:14] <antiwire> nope
[00:14] <antiwire> audi only for now
[00:14] <antiwire> audio*
[00:14] <alkos333> It's like echoing ... goes away and then comes back
[00:14] <antiwire> that's a good sign
[00:15] <antiwire> it means your MIC is working and the audio stream is building up
[00:15] <alkos333> Alright
[00:15] <alkos333> Yes, I know the mic works.  The echo test shows me in the video as well, so my webcam is fine also.
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[00:17] <MLanden> fhobia, there's 'nother one called PiTiVi that fire|bird mentioned while back...but it's gnome-heavy
[00:17] <fhobia> hmm blender is another choice i guess for video editing
[00:17] <BP{k}> alkos333: antiwire: perhaps this conversation is better suited to ##slackware-offtopic
[00:18] <alkos333> BP{k}: Perhaps :)
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[00:21] <trhodes> blender? video editing? weird
[00:21] <fhobia> yeah
[00:21] <fhobia> http://www.straightedgelinux.com/videoBlender/
[00:21] <fhobia> nice tutorial...i wonder if you can import the 3d stuff you create in belnder into the video sequence editor
[00:21] <fhobia> i guess thats a no brainer yes !
[00:23] <trhodes> neat :)
[00:23] <MLanden> lol,fhobia....roll your own Money for Nothing video...:P
[00:24] <fhobia> 8)
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[00:28] <newslacker> Id be happy if I could just get blender to work lol. I installed it through slackbuilds and then when I run it the screen turns black. But it turns back to normal and blender looks fine if i alt tab to a different program and blender isnt the tool im currently using lol.
[00:28] <trhodes> i had that happen on my laptop too
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[00:29] <mrselfpwn> anyone have any success with fbsplash and fbcondecor?
[00:30] <newslacker> Same problem I had or are you talking about something else ?
[00:30] <trhodes> same problem as you w/r/t the screen blanking
[00:30] <newslacker> How did you fix it
[00:30] <trhodes> heh, i didn't ;)
[00:30] <trhodes> i just wanted to try it
[00:31] <newslacker> No errors popped up if i ran it from a virtual terminal or anything. So I am clueless on it lol.
[00:32] <trhodes> i can't remember now whether I set LMFTA or not... that might have something to do with it
[00:32] <trhodes> *LMTFA
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[00:32] <crashdata> hello
[00:32] <MLanden> heya,crashdata
[00:33] <crashdata> :)
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[00:33] <crashdata> is there an update?
[00:33] <trhodes> newslacker: 32 or 64 bit ?
[00:33] <crashdata> 64.
[00:33] <newslacker> 32
[00:34] <crashdata> ohh didnt see u were talking to newslacke
[00:34] <crashdata> r
[00:34] <trhodes> crashdata: in -current ? i haven't seen one yet; still 2.6.33
[00:34] <crashdata> yah current.
[00:34] <trhodes> i rsync both 32 and 64
[00:34] <crashdata> ohh there is
[00:34] <crashdata> i'm still on 2.6.32
[00:34] <mbohun> bash-3.1$ uname -a
[00:34] <mbohun> Linux yobbo 2.6.33.1 #1 PREEMPT Tue Mar 16 17:54:25 EST 2010 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 2.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[00:35] <trhodes> nice ;)
[00:35] <mbohun> feeling like among the dinosaurs :-)
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[00:36] <crashdata> :)
[00:36] <trhodes> not with respect to software, however
[00:36] <crashdata> agree.
[00:36] <trhodes>  AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3400+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux is what I run
[00:36] <trhodes> it's old as well
[00:36] <crashdata> :)
[00:36] <mbohun> martin@firewolf:~$ uname -a
[00:36] <mbohun> Linux firewolf 2.6.33.1 #1 PREEMPT Tue Mar 16 23:10:09 EST 2010 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
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[00:37] <trhodes> newslacker: i tried 64 bit blender, myself
[00:37] <crashdata> model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU          6320  @ 1.86GHz
[00:37] <crashdata> stepping	: 6
[00:37] <crashdata> cpu MHz		: 3097.572
[00:37] Channel flood from crashdata -- kicking
[00:37] <crashdata> cache size	: 4096 KB
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[00:37] <mbohun> i suffer from a delicate psychiatric condition that forces me to recompile my kernel at least twice a day
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[00:37] <crashdata> lolz
[00:37] <crashdata> didnt see that coming :P
[00:37] <trhodes> crashdata: i made an awk script for that
[00:38] <crashdata> my system is overclocked :P
[00:38] <trhodes> lemme see if it's in my history
[00:38] <mbohun> crashdata: it is a bot - do not flood - use codepad.org for multiple lines posts
[00:38] <crashdata> i thought it wasnt that much :)
[00:38] <crashdata> i guess i was wrong
[00:38] <Skywise> more then 3 lines is too much
[00:39] <crashdata> ahhh
[00:39] <mbohun> imagine that 3 people paste here in one minute the output of: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[00:39] <alisonken1noc> codepage.org, pastebin.ca, <your favorite pastebin>, etc.
[00:39] <crashdata> i usually use paste bin
[00:40] <crashdata> soo annoying sometimes to udpate cause i have to reinstall kde all over again..to lazy to pick off which file to take out
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[00:40] <crashdata> also the multilib system needs to be reinstall also..
[00:40] <crashdata> is there a way around this?
[00:41] <trhodes> crashdata: http://pastebin.com/D7vvEf9P
[00:41] <crashdata> coolio
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[00:42] <crashdata> bash-3.1$ free -m
[00:42] <crashdata>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[00:42] <crashdata> Mem:          3951       3861         90          0       1275       1759
[00:42] Action: Cann0n facepalms
[00:42] <trhodes> lol
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[00:43] <trhodes> /exec -o free -m | tail -1 #would have been better (if you use irssi) :)
[00:43] <Cann0n> yeah lol
[00:43] <trhodes> but why are we even seeing this ? :P
[00:44] <Cann0n> ?
[00:44] <crashdata> dont know someone posted their uname
[00:44] <crashdata> i got carried away :)
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[00:51] <StandardSocket> gnuzilla ftw
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[01:14] <Cann0n> BP{k}: any idea why i can't click that?
[01:14] <Cann0n> java is working
[01:15] <BP{k}> Cann0n: no idea sorry.
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[01:23] <fhobia> anybody using org-mode in emacs :-) ?
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[01:26] <Cann0n> BP{k}: weird. no java links work for me
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[01:43] <matt0> how does one upgrade to current?
[01:44] <sluckxz> i used slackpkg last night.
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[01:45] <BP{k}> matt0: by reading the documentation?
[01:45] <biker> matu_, you need to uncomment a current mirror
[01:45] <biker> and then just update
[01:46] <matt0> eh, nevermind. I can't find a local mirror with current anyway .-.
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[01:53] <Mel-nix> In which file do I put the line: `HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth'?
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[01:53] <BP{k}> sounds like one of bash startup files ..
[01:53] <trhodes> .bashrc
[01:54] <Mel-nix> trhodes: What is the system-wide equivalent of it?
[01:54] <BP{k}> Mel-nix: in that case you probably want to create a file in /etc/profile.d/ like 10-local.sh, ake it executable and put it in there.
[01:55] <Mel-nix> Do I need to export the above variable?
[01:56] <trhodes> probably, subshells ought to know about it
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[01:56] <alisonken1noc> Mel-nix, check other scripts in /etc/profile.d/ and see what they do with shell variables
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[01:57] <alisonken1noc> trhodes, depends on if the invoking shell does something along the lines of execute in current environment or spawn a subshell
[01:57] <trhodes> there are shells that exec ?
[01:58] <alisonken1noc> if you call another script like "<path>/<script>", then it spawns a subshell
[01:58] <trhodes> i'd figure they fork then exec, but i duno these things too well :)
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[01:58] <trhodes> yeah
[01:58] <alisonken1noc> if you call another script, but put a period-space first like ". <path>/<script>" it executes the script in the current process
[01:59] <trhodes> but if you run, say, "cd", it invokes another shell, then exec()s
[01:59] <trhodes> yeah
[01:59] <alisonken1noc> no - cd is just a command to specify the default current directory
[01:59] <alisonken1noc> "cd" is a bash internal
[01:59] <trhodes> oh ok, bad example
[01:59] <trhodes> ls
[02:00] <alisonken1noc> you have to look to see (1) is it an internal command, (2) is it an internal command that was disabled (temp), (3) is it an external command
[02:00] <trhodes> yeah, i wasn't thinking when i said "cd" :P
[02:00] <Mel-nix> trhodes:alisonken1noc: Thank you.
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[02:01] <alisonken1noc> np
[02:02] <Mel-nix> BP{k}: Can I find some document which lists as well as describes files like `10-local.sh'?
[02:02] <alisonken1noc> Mel-nix, that directory is just standard shell scripts that get called when you start
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[02:03] <alisonken1noc> the name is arbitrary, but the numbers at the beginning of the name will be parsed by the sort routine when the directory is read
[02:03] <trhodes> the naming is so that they sort in a specific (lexical) order
[02:04] <BP{k}> Mel-nix: uhm you run -current right?
[02:05] <Mel-nix> trhodes: I remember that even the fonts are named in a similar fashion.
[02:05] <alisonken1noc> in the case of /etc/profile.d on my slack system, it doesn't matter what order for those scripts, but if you put "10-....", the 10 means it will be executed before any other alphabetical character
[02:05] <Mel-nix> BP{k}: Yes.
[02:05] <Mel-nix> alisonken1noc: Thanks.
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[02:08] <rworkman> Sounds like someone has interpreted a "howto" statement of mine literally :)
[02:08] <BP{k}> ;)
[02:09] <alisonken1noc> heh
[02:09] <rworkman> But I do wonder where I wrote that.  I know that I use /etc/profile.d/10-local.sh (and have for a long time).  While I'm sure there are others, I do find the coincidence odd :)
[02:10] <alisonken1noc> rworkman, it's also a historical reference to sysvinit-style script naming conventions
[02:10] <BP{k}> rworkman: yep it was from one of your files. probably the one on how to set startup files with ksh/bash.
[02:10] <alisonken1noc> or did you write that while playing on a RH system? :)
[02:10] Action: rworkman remains silent ;-)
[02:10] <BP{k}> he was playing with something allright ;)
[02:11] <rworkman> 00
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[02:29] <matu_> salut
[02:30] <matu_> i mean hi
[02:30] <jeev> hi
[02:30] <jeev> i mean salut
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[03:28] <alisonken1noc> well now. today in SCO v. Novell, more interesting notes on SCO hiring analyst reports but only giving them "Use this information only" resulted in "In the real world during <timeframe>, ..." resulting in witness analyst saying "Doens't matter"
[03:28] <alisonken1noc> Hmmmm. would make me wonder if I was on the jury
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[03:29] <stunix> can anyone give me a URL which explain how to properly set up Slackware with UTF-8?
[03:30] <alreadygone> Slackware with UTF-8? what are you trying to do?
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[03:30] <stunix> does it matter? I want to try it.
[03:30] <alreadygone> try what?
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[03:31] <stunix> I'm working on an e-mail client, but with norwegian characters (æøå) i only  get "=C3" etc.
[03:32] <The-Croupier> greetings
[03:32] <alisonken1noc> stunix: look at kernel parameters for lilo append - I believe the starting point is "vt.default_utf8=1", then check kde settings for utf8
[03:32] <Tusk> stunix: i'm using slacware and your characters are appearing correctly
[03:32] Action: Tusk is utf8 compliant
[03:33] <alreadygone> you might need to look for enabling UTF-8 character encoding for THAT email client...
[03:33] <slava_dp> any recommendation on a suitable slackware version to run on a celeron 500 / 128 meg RAM laptop?
[03:33] <alisonken1noc> stunix: the other would be check your email client settings for text type
[03:33] <stunix> alisonken1noc: I'm using FLuxbox.
[03:33] <alisonken1noc> ok - check fluxbox for utf8 settings as well
[03:33] <stunix> alisonken1noc: I've done that.
[03:33] <alisonken1noc> which email client are you using?
[03:33] <stunix> I've tried with both gmail and Thunderbird.
[03:34] <stunix> the problem is that _my_ client doesnt seem to handle it.
[03:34] <stunix> it's written in Perl.
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[03:35] <alisonken1noc> gmail would be firefox (or webbrowser) dependent, and thunderbird might want to look at preferences->advanced and try to parse those settings and see if utf8 is in there somewhere
[03:35] <stunix> alisonken1noc: I've done that.
[03:35] <alisonken1noc> ok - not sure about perl then. in python it's a matter of parsing a string with " u'STRING'"
[03:36] <alisonken1noc> so your question would be about perl and utf8? not specifically slackware?
[03:36] <alisonken1noc> or fluxbox?
[03:36] <stunix> well, I was not sure if I had set up Slackware correctly with UTF-8.
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[03:37] <alisonken1noc> if gmail in a webbrowser or thunderbird show the characters correctly, then that would narrow it down that it's not slackware
[03:37] <stunix> I see.
[03:37] <stunix> well, thanks anyway.
[03:38] <stunix> wait a minute...
[03:38] <stunix> Firefox does not show the characters properly.
[03:38] <stunix> with UTF-8.
[03:39] <stunix> but it does with ISO-8859-1.
[03:40] <alisonken1noc> what version of thunderbird are you using?
[03:40] <stunix> 2.0.0.23
[03:40] <alisonken1noc> http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.thunderbird/browse_thread/thread/afec18c946e96cf4
[03:42] <alisonken1noc> stunix, what is thunderbird -> view -> character encoding selected?
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[03:44] <stunix> alisonken1noc: Unicode (UTF-8).
[03:44] <alisonken1noc> hmmm
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[04:13] <mancha> you should u/g to 2.0.0.24
[04:14] <mancha> (unrelated security advice)
[04:14] <Azeotrope> I have a PCI wifi card on my desktop pc and a wired connection on it. I want to share this wired connection with the laptop by wifi. how can I do it?
[04:14] <Azeotrope> What software do I need?
[04:15] <mancha> you need to set up an ap
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[04:15] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, same question as last night?
[04:15] <alisonken1noc> did you look at madwifi link I gave you?
[04:15] <Azeotrope> yes, it didn't helped me
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[04:16] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: also I found out that my card has no Master mode support
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[04:16] <alisonken1noc> which driver are you using?
[04:16] <mancha> master is best ad-hoc works too
[04:16] <alisonken1noc> and which chipset is it?
[04:17] <alisonken1noc> ad-hoc may allow riders you don't want :)
[04:17] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: i think the default drivers
[04:17] <Azeotrope> atheros chipset
[04:18] <alisonken1noc> the default kernel driver only supports client mode - you have to compile and modprobe the madwifi driver to get ap mode, even then it's going to be a little bit of fun setting up ap (master) mode
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[04:19] <alisonken1noc> especially if you want encryption enabled, and not just the script-kiddie friendly wep encryption
[04:19] <alisonken1noc> an easier option would be to get a home wireless router
[04:20] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: so I have to compile my own, custom kernel?
[04:20] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: i don't want a router.
[04:20] <alisonken1noc> what you want is a wireless router - the only difference is you want your desktop to be the router
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[04:21] <mancha> to get a madwifi driver you don't compile your kernel, you compile the module against the kernel
[04:21] <alisonken1noc> it's going to take work since you want to share a dsl link (single IP single computer) with multiple computers
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[04:21] <Azeotrope> at least i'll learn something new
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[04:22] <alisonken1noc> and no - you could probably get by with just blacklisting the kernel driver and compile/modprobe the madwifi driver
[04:22] <alisonken1noc> unless the kernel you're using is missing something, like encryption modules
[04:23] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: any guides on that?
[04:23] <Azeotrope> blacklistind the drivers
[04:23] <alisonken1noc> look at /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[04:25] <Azeotrope> blacklist hostap ?
[04:26] <mancha> ath5k
[04:26] <alisonken1noc> ath5k and ath9k isn't it?
[04:26] <Azeotrope> yep
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[04:27] <Azeotrope> there's no ath5k or ath9k driver.
[04:27] <Azeotrope> strange
[04:29] <alisonken1noc> from "grep ath /lib/modules/$(unamr -r)/modules.dep"
[04:29] <alisonken1noc>  kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath5k/ath5k.ko
[04:29] <alisonken1noc> kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath9k/ath9k.ko
[04:29] <alisonken1noc> kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath.ko
[04:29] <alisonken1noc> sorry $(uname -r)
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[04:30] <alisonken1noc> unless you're using the huge kernel, then it may be built-in
[04:30] <Azeotrope> ehttp://pastebin.org/117758
[04:30] <Azeotrope> whitout e
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[04:31] <alisonken1noc> they're there
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[04:31] <alisonken1noc> lin 2,3,12
[04:31] <alisonken1noc> line
[04:32] <alisonken1noc> sorry - not line 12
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[04:33] <Azeotrope> i see them now. so, do i need madwifi?
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[04:33] <Azeotrope> i installed them using the slackbuilds
[04:33] <alisonken1noc> the .ko just indicates they're kernel module object files
[04:34] <alisonken1noc> and yes, you would still need madwifi unless there's some notes I missed about master mode is now in a workable state for ath[59]k
[04:35] <slava_dp> afaik no
[04:35] <alisonken1noc> what kernel version are you using?
[04:35] <Azeotrope> let me check
[04:35] <alisonken1noc> slava_dp: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/ath5k#features <-- check "Features" about 2/3 down
[04:35] <Azeotrope> 2.6.29.6 #3 SMP
[04:36] <slava_dp> http://life-is-a-hack.blogspot.com/2009/09/ath5k-now-in-master-mode.html
[04:36] <slava_dp> kk :)
[04:36] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/UserDocs/ath5kAccessPoint <-- check this out
[04:37] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: i tried that, but with a newer version of hostapd and it wouldn't compile. i didn't knew how to configure it
[04:37] <Azeotrope> i mean the files to build
[04:38] <alisonken1noc> did you verify the wireless settings in your kernel setup?
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[04:39] <alisonken1noc> ok - then it looks like you may have some more learning in wireless connectivity :)
[04:39] <alisonken1noc> took me a while to figure it out as well several years ago
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[04:40] <Mel-nix> Help. `unstr' command not found.
[04:40] <alisonken1noc> Mel-nix: perl?
[04:40] <alisonken1noc> or c?
[04:41] <alisonken1noc> sorry - what were you trying to do?
[04:42] <Mel-nix> alisonken1noc: `unstr' does the reverse of `strfile(8).
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[04:44] <Azeotrope> how do i edit the kernel .config?
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[04:46] <surrounder> Azeotrope: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/compiling-linux-kernel-26.html
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[04:50] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Edit the existing `.config' file, if exists. Then run "make oldconfig"
[04:52] <alisonken1noc> if it doesn't exist, then you can cd into your linux kernel source directory, then "zcat /proc/config.gz >.config" first
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[04:54] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: You could even use this one: "/boot/config"
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[04:55] <syntax_error> hello guys
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[04:55] <alisonken1noc> Mel-nix, depends on how /boot was setup and -huge or -generic kernel packages were installed
[04:55] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[04:56] <alisonken1noc> that's why the /proc/config.gz is better - it's the current kernel regardless
[04:56] <syntax_error> anyone know how to run application as root in Xfce while logged as a normal user ?
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[04:58] <alisonken1noc> syntax_error, cli or gui app?
[04:58] <surrounder> syntax_error: gksu/gksudo maybe ?
[05:00] <alisonken1noc> Mel-nix, hmm - looks like bsd-games (fortune) is the one that uses that in slackware
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[05:00] <matt0> Has anyone had any luck with rt61pci kernel module and -current?
[05:01] <matt0> I try to modprobe it but get "invalid module format"
[05:01] <alisonken1noc> what version of -current? there's been some updates the last week
[05:01] <matt0> the latest
[05:01] <matt0> I just updated
[05:01] <alisonken1noc> ah
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[05:05] <b_j_x> hello all
[05:05] <matt0> A fellow Queenslander :p
[05:07] <b_j_x> yes indeed - shouldn't we be at a pub or something
[05:08] <matt0> 2 more years and I won't get arrested for that...
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[05:09] <b_j_x> pubs something to look forward to then ;)
[05:09] <syntax_error> alisonken1noc, gui app
[05:10] <CtrlAltCa> has any solution been found yet for -current+ati+kms video corruption?
[05:11] <Mel-nix> alisonken1noc: So, is it a bug that it is missing?
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[05:12] <alisonken1noc> syntax_error, one option would be to try surrounder's option - "gksu <program>" or "gksudo <program>"
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[05:13] <alisonken1noc> Mel-nix, not sure - need to check the source tarballs and see how it's compiled
[05:15] <syntax_error> alisonken1noc, I thought that opening a terminal as root was enough to launch the app through cli root#programm &
[05:15] <alisonken1noc> syntax_error, the problem is that a cli logged in as root doesn't have access to your gui setup - permissions mismatch
[05:16] <Azeotrope> "Wireless sucks" - Tesla
[05:16] <alisonken1noc> you have to run the gui equivalent of sudo so X will allow that program as root to access your gui environment as user
[05:16] <alisonken1noc> as if
[05:17] <Mel-nix> Has anyone had luck in compiling and using a custom file with fortune(6)?
[05:17] <alisonken1noc> yes
[05:17] <alisonken1noc> but it's been a few years
[05:19] <Mel-nix> alisonken1noc: I did it just today. I don't know if I went wrong somewhere, but whenever I run fortune with the `filename' as the parameter, it displays the contents of the file.
[05:20] <alisonken1noc> how many fortunes in the file?
[05:21] <alisonken1noc> and how did you create the random.dat file?
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[05:24] <Azeotrope> i can't install the latest hostapd. I've downloaded the slackbuild version, the lastest tarball and modified the slackbuild to match the version.
[05:24] <Azeotrope> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[05:24] <Mel-nix> alisonken1noc: 150. You mean the `filename.dat'?
[05:26] <alisonken1noc> Mel-nix, yes - the *.dat file - how did you create it?
[05:29] <Azeotrope> where on earth do I find the .config file for the kernel? i'm doing this http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/UserDocs/ath5kAccessPoint (the Kernel Preparing step)
[05:31] <alienBOB> Azeotrope: zcat /proc/config.gz
[05:31] <Azeotrope> alienBOB: did that
[05:31] <alienBOB> Else, /usr/src/linux/.config
[05:31] <alisonken1noc> alienBOB, he's probably asking about the source .config file
[05:31] <Mel-nix> alisonken1noc: # strfile filename
[05:32] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, the first character being a period indicates it won't be shown (hidden file)
[05:32] <alisonken1noc> for ls to show it you have to pass "ls -a" to it
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[05:32] <alisonken1noc> when you "make menuconfig" or "make config" on the kernel sources, it parses that file for default settings
[05:32] <alienBOB> Azeotrope: you looked at /proc/config.gz - is that not what you need? Just dump it into .config
[05:32] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: $ ls -A  #is better
[05:33] <alisonken1noc> Mel-nix, and you copied both <file> and <file>.dat to /usr/share/games/fortunes ?
[05:35] <Mel-nix> alisonken1noc: No, did I have to?
[05:35] <alisonken1noc> Mel-nix, only if you want to share your file
[05:36] <Azeotrope> i checked that .config file and all those entries have the "m" flag but still won't compile
[05:36] <Mel-nix> alisonken1noc: I just ran fortune filename
[05:36] <alisonken1noc> try 'fortune ./filename' and see what happens
[05:36] <alisonken1noc> also - what did you use to edit the file when you created it?
[05:37] <Mel-nix> alisonken1noc: Still, the same behaviour.
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[05:37] <Azeotrope> it says i have y flad
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[05:39] <Azeotrope> where do i find my kernels sources?
[05:39] <Mel-nix> alisonken1noc: Initially, it was a plain text file, with one quote on each line. I used elvis(1) to do a replacement, and then there was a `%' on every alternate line.
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[05:40] <alisonken1noc> do you have blank lines anywhere?
[05:40] <alisonken1noc> or initial spaces before the % ?
[05:41] <alisonken1noc> Mel-nix, pastebin the file?
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[05:47] <Mel-nix> alisonken1noc: No, hex: 2e 0d 0a 25 0d 0a
[05:47] <Azeotrope> So, I go to my /usr/src/kernel-version, I edit the .config file, i do a make, make modules, make modules_install
[05:47] <Azeotrope> do I have to  "make install"?
[05:48] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, no - do NOT edit the .config file - use make menuconfig or make config
[05:48] <Azeotrope> I already did it and did a make. Should I stop it?
[05:49] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: fuck
[05:49] <Azeotrope> now I get it
[05:50] <Azeotrope> how long it takes to compile the kernel?
[05:50] <surrounder> totally depends on your hardware
[05:50] <zux1wrk> my slackware installer doesn't get my broadcom nic up, i see that the bnx2 module says in dmesg that it cannot load the firmware
[05:51] <Azeotrope> dualcore 2.6 4gb ram
[05:51] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: About half an hour on a non-SMP system.
[05:51] <surrounder> Azeotrope: this is the time to get coffee
[05:51] <Azeotrope> ok. thanks
[05:52] <paissad> guys, i'm trying to make a slackbuild for building a kernel, but when i do --> INSTALL_FW_PATH=/tmp/FIRMWARE make firmware_install  <-- but i got this
[05:52] <paissad> http://dpaste.com/173598/
[05:52] <Azeotrope> what if i did something wrong and i'll get a kernel panic?
[05:52] <surrounder> just boot your old kernel
[05:52] <paissad> i hae the same problem, for headers, & modules ( INSTALL_HDR_PATH & INSTALL_MOD_PATH) variables seem not to be considered
[05:52] <paissad> i directly tested the command in a terminal !
[05:52] <Azeotrope> i have to expect the worse since i have to left hands and 2 right brain hemispheres
[05:53] <surrounder> Azeotrope: add an extra entry in your lilo/grub config to load the new kernel
[05:53] <zux1wrk> anyone installed slackware via network on that broadcom chipset/
[05:53] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Make sure you have (Slackware) boot-CD/DVD.
[05:54] <paissad> for headers, the files are installed in the current dir ./include & not in /tmp/HEADERS :-/
[05:54] <paissad> INSTALL_HDR_PATH=/tmp/HEADERS make headers_install
[05:54] <paissad>   CHK     include/linux/version.h
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[05:54] <paissad> make[1]: `scripts/unifdef' is up to date.
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[05:54] <surrounder> slackboy for president
[05:55] <alisonken1noc> slackboy for emperor
[05:55] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: LFS LiveCD is quite handy though! :)
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[05:57] <zux1wrk> hello there....
[05:57] <zux1wrk> there was this one guy who recently installed slackware on a proliant server
[05:58] <zux1wrk> via network
[05:58] <Rossonero> hello
[05:58] Nick change: mfreenet -> mike
[05:58] Nick change: mike -> mikee
[05:59] <Azeotrope> why the hell do i have to compile and install a new kernel if I can modify it's config from /boot?
[06:01] <jrodger> g'day zuxlwrk, get your gear yet?
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[06:01] <zux1wrk> gear/
[06:01] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: The kernel is the heart and soul of the system.
[06:01] <Rossonero> when I add this command: su -c 'squidGuard -c all' proxy into my makefile and running make after that.. it failed and show me an error message.. I think the reason is that the command doesn't return the status number and Make consider the command has failed..
[06:01] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, the /boot/config file should be just the file showing your currently running kernel's build config
[06:01] <Rossonero> is there a way to fix this ?
[06:02] <jrodger> zuxlwrk: yeah from slack store....
[06:03] <Azeotrope> i'm gonna go nuts
[06:03] <surrounder> relax
[06:03] <surrounder> it's almost weekend!
[06:03] <zux1wrk> jrodger, not yet
[06:04] <zux1wrk> just wrote them another mail yesterday.....
[06:04] <zux1wrk> still hoping for the best...
[06:04] <slava_dp> Azeotrope, .config tells the build system how to build the kernel. you cannot adjust the config of an already-built kernel. you can however reconfigure and build a new kernel using the new config.
[06:04] <jrodger> I had an issue gettinga book from FSF, but that was the US postal service.....
[06:04] <Azeotrope> slava_dp: ok
[06:04] <Azeotrope> i compiled and installed the kernel
[06:04] <Azeotrope> i'' reboot now and hope it will worek
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[06:05] <slava_dp> how did you install it?
[06:05] <Azeotrope> make, make make bzImage
[06:05] <Azeotrope> make modules
[06:05] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Which boot-loader are you using?
[06:05] <Azeotrope> lilo
[06:05] <Azeotrope> make modules_install, make install
[06:06] <slava_dp> the "make install" will be a fail
[06:06] <Azeotrope> yes, 3 errors
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[06:07] <zux1wrk> looks like my broadcom nic not working on installer problem was becouse of damaged boot media
[06:07] <Azeotrope> so? reboot?
[06:07] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Don't forget to run lilo(8), every time you install/update the kernel. The `-v 2' parameters come in handy.
[06:07] <slava_dp> the proper way: after make modules_install, you do "cp arch/x86/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-azeotrope; vim /etc/lilo.conf", add your new kernel, run lilo, reboot.
[06:08] <slava_dp> this way you save the old kernel in case the new one does not boot, and you get a boot choice.
[06:08] <Azeotrope> i did lilo -v 2 and got: 3 warnings were issued.
[06:08] <slava_dp> do not do "make install".
[06:08] <Azeotrope> i did it
[06:08] <alisonken1noc> warnings are ok as long as everything else is ok
[06:08] <Mel-nix> slava_dp: What about "System.map" ?
[06:09] <slava_dp> Mel-nix, the old one will be fine.
[06:09] <slava_dp> Mel-nix, i never make a new system.map.
[06:10] <Azeotrope> damn
[06:11] <Azeotrope> if i did make install did it corrupted anything?
[06:11] <alisonken1noc> System.map is made when the kernel is compiled
[06:11] <alisonken1noc> it may have overwritten your current kernel
[06:12] <Azeotrope> so i'm fubared
[06:12] <alisonken1noc> did you reboot already?
[06:12] <Azeotrope> no
[06:12] <Azeotrope> i'm afraid to do it
[06:13] <alisonken1noc> then you can reinstall the kernel package from your install media
[06:13] <Azeotrope> i'd better reboot
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[06:14] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Good luck. Always heed advice.
[06:15] <alisonken1noc> Mel-nix, can you send me your fortune file (not the .dat file)?
[06:15] <zux1wrk> Azeotrope, reinstall the kernel package, then copy again the new kernel to /boot/ with a new name, then edit lilo and add a section with the new name, don't remove the wokring one
[06:15] <zux1wrk> then run lilo and reboot
[06:15] <alisonken1noc> Mel-nix, or pastebin it?
[06:15] <Azeotrope> thanks
[06:15] <Azeotrope> i got this warnings regarding encrypted home and swap  Warning: Name change: '/dev/dm-1' -> '/dev/disk/by-name/cryptoswap'
[06:17] <slava_dp> that's fine
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[06:21] <Mel-nix> alisonken1noc: Can you suggest a good pastebin service?
[06:21] <alisonken1noc> I normally use pastebin.ca
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[06:25] <slava_dp> codepad.org
[06:25] <slava_dp> dpaste.com too
[06:26] <Mel-nix> alisonken1noc: slava_dp: Thanks.
[06:27] <Mel-nix> alisonken1noc: Here: http://www.pastebin.ca/1845571
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[06:32] <alisonken1noc> interesting - works fine for me
[06:32] <alisonken1noc> Mel-nix
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[06:33] <Delahunt> does anyone happen to know (while amarok tries to load my massive music collection for the first time) if amarok can encode from flac (a file in the library) to ogg and carry over the media tags?
[06:33] <Mel-nix> alisonken1noc: What did you do?
[06:33] <alisonken1noc> well, I c/p from the pastebin, saved as Mel-nic-fortune, then "strfile Mel-nic-fortune"
[06:34] <alisonken1noc> Mel-nix-fortune rather :)
[06:35] <Mel-nix> alisonken1noc: So you just ran $ fortune Mel-nix-fortune #?
[06:35] <alisonken1noc> yep
[06:36] <alisonken1noc> kenr@ken_noc:~/tmp/fortune$ fortune Mel-nix-fortune
[06:36] <alisonken1noc> A program is never finished until the programmer dies.
[06:37] <alisonken1noc> kenr@ken_noc:~/tmp/fortune$ fortune Mel-nix-fortune
[06:37] <alisonken1noc> Ever notice how fast Windows runs? Neither did I...
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[06:38] <Mel-nix> alisonken1noc: Wow. Is there any problem due to the CR+LF line-endings?
[06:39] <alisonken1noc> Mel-nix, probably
[06:39] <alisonken1noc> unix/linux does not use the MS version of "newline=<cr><lf>" :)
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[06:40] <Mel-nix> alisonken1noc: What was the output of strfile, regarding the number of strings?
[06:40] <alisonken1noc> "Mel-nix-fortune.dat" created
[06:40] <alisonken1noc> There were 150 strings
[06:40] <alisonken1noc> Longest string: 197 bytes
[06:40] <alisonken1noc> Shortest string: 23 bytes
[06:41] <slava_dp> cat file | tr -d $'\r' > newfile
[06:41] <slava_dp> smth like that to get rid of ms line endings
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[06:41] <Mel-nix> alisonken1noc: Wow. I am getting the output: 1 string found.
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[06:42] <alisonken1noc> yep - sounds like the cr/lf ms encoding did it for you
[06:42] <Mel-nix> alisonken1noc: So it's definitely due to the CR+LF line-endings.
[06:42] <alisonken1noc> I would say high probability
[06:43] <slava_dp> i would say try the command :)
[06:43] <Mel-nix> alisonken1noc: Is that a bug?
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[06:43] <alisonken1noc> Mel-nix, no - that's an incorrect file transfer from an ms-dos based file to a unix environment
[06:45] <Mel-nix> slava_dp: Thanks for the command, but I prefer to use fromdos(1), at least for this time.
[06:46] <Mel-nix> alisonken1noc: I just tried the process again, after using fromdos(1) and yipee it works! :-)
[06:46] <slava_dp> there is no magic, you just have to remove \r characters. tr -d $'\r' does it just fine.
[06:46] <alisonken1noc> slava_dp, or use the "fromdos" utility he found :)
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[06:47] <slava_dp> alisonken1home, I'd guess fromdos isn't very portable :)
[06:47] <slava_dp> while tr is.
[06:47] <alisonken1noc> slava_dp, whatever works for him :)
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[06:47] <Camarade_Tux> sed -e 's/\r\n/\n' ?
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[06:47] <slava_dp> sed-- , tr will be faster :-D
[06:48] <The-Croupier> hmmm my fluxbox shows all the themes the same...:( i  installed artwiz as well but still the same  :(
[06:48] <The-Croupier> could someone help, change one theme on fluxbox...:(  slack-current  :(
[06:48] <Mel-nix> alisonken1noc: Thank you.
[06:49] <alisonken1noc> np
[06:49] <alisonken1noc> The-Croupier, I might - if I ran fluxbox :)
[06:49] <The-Croupier> ;)
[06:49] <The-Croupier> alisonken1noc: xfce?
[06:49] <alisonken1noc> kde
[06:50] <alreadygone> kde4?
[06:50] <alisonken1noc> 64-current from about 2 weeks ago
[06:50] <alisonken1noc> wait - this one is 64-current from about 2 months ago
[06:51] <The-Croupier> got it my mistake ;)
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[06:54] <Azeotrope> Kernel panic. Currently on Ubuntu live CD. How do I use the Slackware DVD to recover?
[06:55] <Delahunt> did you compile your own ubuntu kernel?
[06:55] <ananke> recover from what exactly?
[06:55] <Delahunt> (you can recover from ubuntu by installing slackware LOL)
[06:55] <Azeotrope> I'm using slackware and compiled a kernel
[06:55] <surrounder> Azeotrope: just boot your old kernel
[06:56] <Azeotrope> Since I don't know how to use slackware live dvd to enter irssi
[06:56] <alisonken1noc> surrounder, possibility he overwrote his old kernel with 'make install'
[06:56] <Azeotrope> well, that's a little impossible, i've overwritten it
[06:56] <surrounder> ah
[06:56] <surrounder> handy (Y)
[06:57] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: I think you were told to re-install the kernel from the official package.
[06:57] <Azeotrope> I don't know how to do it
[06:59] <Azeotrope> should I boot the slack dvd and chroot?
[06:59] <alisonken1noc> boot the slackware dvd, and when the lilo prompt starts enter "linux root=/dev/<whatever your root partition is>"
[06:59] <surrounder> Azeotrope: advice for the next time: try new stuff you don't know about yet in a virtual machine or something... saves a lot of stress
[06:59] Nick change: R3un1a0 -> Gr1nch
[06:59] <alisonken1noc> sorry - "linux root=/dev/sd<whatever> ro"
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[06:59] <alisonken1noc> after you get back onto your system, reinstall the kernel packages
[06:59] <The-Croupier> what is the bit, where the menus...etc..are called?
[07:00] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: ok
[07:00] <alisonken1noc> The-Croupier, which menus?
[07:00] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Then run lilo(8).
[07:00] <Azeotrope> one more thing. if i had only the slack dvd, how would I acces irrsi?
[07:00] <Azeotrope> irssi
[07:00] <The-Croupier> for example, the styles...change the titlebar,the borders,the buttons...but after the  title bar...there is always the menu bars...etc...
[07:00] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, you don't - it's not a live cd
[07:01] <The-Croupier> i wanted to change the look of all the programs and not only the round bits...:(
[07:01] <Azeotrope> no, i mean, chrooting
[07:01] <surrounder> The-Croupier: you want to change your gtk theme ?
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[07:01] <Azeotrope> i did a mkdir /mnt/chroot then mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/chroot
[07:01] <surrounder> The-Croupier: or qt? dunno what apps you use
[07:01] <Azeotrope> chroot /mnt/chroot
[07:01] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, the option I posted above will boot the kernel from the dvd, but will chroot to run your system from your hard disk
[07:01] <The-Croupier> surrounder: is that what it is called...:( stupid ;)
[07:01] <The-Croupier> surrounder: thanks ;)
[07:02] <surrounder> The-Croupier: gtk-chtheme is quite nice for changing those themes
[07:02] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: ok. thanks
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[07:02] <alisonken1noc> too late - he quit already
[07:02] <The-Croupier> surrounder: i  guess ill  find it in sbo?
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[07:12] <Azeotrope> won't work
[07:12] <alisonken1noc> what won't work?
[07:12] <Azeotrope> no such kernel image: linux root=/dev/sda7 ro
[07:12] <alisonken1noc> just before you exited, I was going to say "boot the dvd, then follow the screen instructions where it says "In an emergency ...."
[07:13] <alisonken1noc> and the "linux " part is the name of the kernel on the dvd to boot
[07:14] <Azeotrope> isn't that at the boot:  menu?
[07:14] <alisonken1noc> yes
[07:14] <alisonken1noc> but the dvd doesn't do the "menu" part like a normal install does
[07:15] <Azeotrope> ok. thank you.
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[07:18] <Mel-nix> alisonken1noc: What about `unstr' missing?
[07:19] <phrags> i guys
[07:19] <phrags> hi*
[07:19] <alisonken1noc> Mel-nix, not sure if that's a bug or not, but you can email the slackware team and ask them about it
[07:19] <Mel-nix> alisonken1noc: All right. Thanks.
[07:20] <alisonken1noc> however, unless you plan on using that particular file format for your own programming in bash, then other languages (like perl/python) have a similar feature builtin
[07:20] <phrags> if i am running slackware-current (32bit), whats the best method to upgrade to slackware-current64 ? is it possible to upgrade the system in run level 1, or would a flatten/full reinstall be the only way to go ?
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[07:20] <alisonken1noc> phrags: format and reinstall slackware64
[07:20] <phrags> =(
[07:21] <alisonken1noc> as long as your /home partition is separate and you don't haveo too many customizations, shouldn't be too hard
[07:21] <alisonken1noc> otherwise, it's gonna be fun
[07:21] <phrags> i guess my next question is... is it worth it?
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[07:21] <b_j_x> i think alien bob has some scripts for you to create your own 64current iso
[07:21] <phrags> well i have a separate /boot partition, then LVM/luks for root/home/swap
[07:21] <alisonken1noc> depends on your usage and if you plan on using more than 4G ram or doing huge number crunching
[07:22] <phrags> hmm, well work machine, so will be running virtualbox, browser and load of terminals in kde 4.4
[07:22] <alisonken1noc> ok - might be worth it then
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[07:22] <phrags> only 2GB ram tho
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[07:22] <alisonken1noc> but that's something you would have to decide on
[07:22] <phrags> yeh same
[07:22] <b_j_x> i found the compat32 stuff pretty straight forward
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[07:23] <phrags> full luks/lvm
[07:23] <Delahunt> yep
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[07:23] <phrags> yeh i've got current64 at home, with multilib and kde 4.4.1, just setup this machine tho and realised it was 64bit.. seems a waste not to use it, but then again i dont really want to reconfigure my whole box
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[07:25] <b_j_x> for the stuff that you can't find prebuilt binaries you can just use aliens compat32 converter for the packages you already have - if time is an issue
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[07:26] <phrags> yeh... can't i just mount my lvm/luks partitions with the setup disk, and upgrade?
[07:26] <Delahunt> i would think you can
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[07:26] <Delahunt> removepkg everything custom you built yourself
[07:26] <Delahunt> and follow UPGRADE.TXT
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[07:27] <phrags> yeh, slackpkg dist-clean should do that fine
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[07:28] <Azeotrope> i booted the slack DVD and at  boot:  i wrote linux root=/dev/sda<my root> ro  and no success
[07:29] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: i couldn't find any "In case of emergency.."
[07:29] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Which is your root device?
[07:29] <phrags> meh, fuck it... 32bit slack is fine for a 2GHz laptop with 2GB ram for work
[07:29] <phrags> not worth the effort flattening and upgrading to 64bit
[07:29] <phrags> unless someone wants to convince me =P
[07:30] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: /dev/sda7
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[07:30] <b_j_x> i got nothing here phrags
[07:30] <surrounder> phrags: nope :P
[07:30] <phrags> cool, just needed to convince myself =P
[07:30] <phrags> thanks guys =)
[07:30] <Camarade_Tux> phrags: 64bit displays ascii pr0n faster =)
[07:31] <surrounder> hehe
[07:31] <b_j_x> ha
[07:31] <phrags> lol
[07:31] <Azeotrope> I just need to install the kernel from the slack dvd
[07:31] <surrounder> aalibfolaif
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[07:31] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Did you actually enter $ linux root=/dev/sda7 ro    #?
[07:32] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: when i boot the slackware dvd there's the boot: console that ask me to pass kernel loading options. i did a linux root=/dev/sda7 ro
[07:32] <Azeotrope> it said no such image or kernel
[07:33] <Azeotrope> huge.s root=/dev/sda7 ro worked but i still booted the dvd
[07:33] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: With the Slackware DVD ?
[07:33] <Azeotrope> yes
[07:33] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Sorry.
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[07:34] <alisonken1noc> something I learned a loooooong time ago from personal experience
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[07:35] <Camarade_Tux> huge.s root=/dev/sda7 ro, that will boot from the dvd but use /dev/sda7 as root
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[07:35] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Usually, when you press `tab' at the boot-loader prompt, it shows you the list of available kernels/images.
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[07:36] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: when I boot my Slack yes. but there I have only one image and that's corrupted.
[07:36] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: No. I was just offering you a tip.
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[07:37] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: So where are you stuck now?
[07:38] <Azeotrope> I don't know what to do. I want to boot my system using the kernel from the dvd and the reinstall that kernel to my system
[07:38] Nick change: xchg_spi -> xchg
[07:39] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: So, were you able to boot from the Slackware DVD (using your root partition)?
[07:39] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: no., that's the problem
[07:40] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, ok, now that you have your system running, mount the dvd, cd to <mount>/slackware/a and find the kernel package you want to install
[07:40] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: What is the name of the kernel/image available?
[07:41] <alisonken1noc> using huge as an example: "installpkg kernel-huge-smp-2.6.33_smp-i686-2.txz/
[07:41] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: this is the only line I received from you: Azeotrope, ok, now that you have your system running, mount the dvd, cd to <mount>/slackware/a and find the kernel package you want to install
[07:41] <Azeotrope> i think i have a netsplit
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[07:42] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, after cd'ing into the a/ series, using huge-smp.s as the kernel, "installpkg kernel-huge-smp-2.6.33_smp-i686-2.txz"
[07:43] <alisonken1noc> or whatever the kernel package is - the example I just gave was the kernel package from -current
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[07:44] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc:  I AM on ubuntu live cd, I didn't managed to boot my system
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[07:44] <alisonken1noc> hmmm
[07:44] <James____> Hi i have a awus050NH ra0 on linux but iwconfig says 2.4 ghz how can i force it to both 5 ghz and 2.4 ghz or just the 5 ghz range?
[07:44] <James____> slack 13.0
[07:45] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, the boot from dvd didn't work?
[07:45] <Azeotrope> alisonken1home, no
[07:45] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Write the steps down on paper. Then try them out.
[07:46] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: i did that
[07:46] <alisonken1noc> ok - did you try boot from dvd, at the "boot: .." prompt, hit <tab> and see what kernel labels were available
[07:46] <Azeotrope> no
[07:47] <Azeotrope> only at my lilo. the kernel available is Slackware (i renamed it so in lilo.conf)
[07:47] <oobe> Azeotrope, from the live cd you should be able to chroot to the slackware install then reinstall the kernel packages and run lilo
[07:47] <alisonken1noc> ok - boot from dvd, at the "boot " prompt, hit <tab> an see what kernel labels the dvd has, then enter "<kernel_to_boot> root=/dev/sda7 ro"
[07:47] <alisonken1noc> where <kernel_to_boot> should be a list of available dvd boot kernels
[07:48] <Azeotrope> ok alisonken1no, thanks. what about oobe said? chrooting?
[07:48] <oobe> alisonken1home's idea is much cleaner
[07:48] <alisonken1noc> also - is sda7 your root partition from /etc/fstab on your system?
[07:48] <Azeotrope> yes
[07:48] <oobe> if you already had the livecd going you may as well just chroot that is how i repair busted boot loaders
[07:49] <alisonken1noc> oobe - he has an ubuntu live cd - not sure if he can rerun lilo properly from that
[07:49] <oobe> alisonken1noc, once he has chrooted he has access to all system commands on the slackware install
[07:49] <oobe> i have done it that way to repair lilo before
[07:49] <alisonken1noc> oobe: ubuntu system libraries may not be fully compatible with slackware librarires
[07:49] <Azeotrope> when i installed slackare i also used cryptsetup for /home encryption. was that kernel compiled based on this option? i mean, if i just install the new kernel, will the encryption module be available?
[07:50] <oobe> alisonken1noc, once he is using a chroot he should be using all the slackware libs
[07:50] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, unless you compiled a custom kernel, it shouldn't be a problem
[07:50] <oobe> i have done it before
[07:51] <Azeotrope> alisonken1home: no, not a custom one
[07:51] <alisonken1noc> oobe: possibly, but it may introduce other issues. in a real emergency, I might try that, but I prefer to stick with same distro stuff
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[07:51] <Azeotrope> oobe: so, if i chroot from ubuntu, how will I install the kernel? the kernel i want is on slackware dvd
[07:52] <Camarade_Tux> you're using grub? if so, just extract vmlinuz-something and move it to /boot
[07:53] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, theoretically, a chroot should not be an issue since slackware package management is bash scripts rather than some hoser binary
[07:53] <Azeotrope> no, i have lilo
[07:53] <oobe> Azeotrope, give me about 2 mins i will write a step by step guide and put it in pastebin
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[07:53] <Azeotrope> oobe: thank you!
[07:55] <James____> how can i force my wifi to be 5 ghz on slackware 13.0 i use awus050nh usb adapter
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[07:55] <Azeotrope> man, new things are such a PITA... that's all because i need this pci wifi card to run in master mode
[07:55] <alisonken1noc> James____, that's a driver issue, not a slackware issue
[07:55] <James____> how do i get a new driver for it
[07:55] <James____> do i need to upgrade kernel
[07:55] <James____> or just get a driver
[07:55] <Camarade_Tux> 5GHz for wifi?
[07:56] <James____> iwlist ra0 frequency only says 2.4 ghz
[07:56] <alisonken1noc> James____, check your chipset and see if it's 5G capable first
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[07:57] <gm152> iwconfig iface modulation 11a perhaps.  The adapter is capable of 5GHz.
[07:57] <oobe> Azeotrope, http://pastebin.ca/1845628
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[07:57] <Azeotrope> oobe: thank you very much
[07:58] <oobe> dont thank me till it works
[07:58] <oobe> i mean it will work but you know what i mean
[07:59] <Azeotrope> yes
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[08:01] <James____> it is a alfa awus050nh usb adapter that is 5 ghz
[08:01] <James____> and 2.4 ghz
[08:01] <oobe> i guess it didnt work
[08:01] <gm152> Of course, the AP must be capable of 5 GHz modulation.
[08:01] <James____> gm152: when i run iwconfig ra0 moduleation 11a
[08:01] <James____> it gives error
[08:02] <James____> set modulation 8b2f set failed on device operation not supported
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[08:02] <James____> this laptop is slack 13.0 2.6.29.6-smp
[08:02] <James____> iwconfig says ra0 RT2870 wireless requency 2.462 GHz
[08:03] <gm152> Where did you get this driver?
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[08:04] <James____> it is just standard slack13.0 install
[08:04] <James____> on this laptop
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[08:04] <oobe> James____, try the latest compat-wireless drivers
[08:05] <James____> so i need a new rt2800usb driver?
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[08:06] <James____> oobe: are they for 2.6.29
[08:07] <oobe> over the last few years i have used various wireless devices and each didnt work well till I tracked down the best drivers
[08:07] <oobe> your device is supported by compat-wireless so i would strongly recomend building them
[08:07] <oobe> as they solved many issues for me
[08:07] <oobe> http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers
[08:08] <oobe> http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/rt2500usb
[08:08] <Delahunt> hmm isn't RT2870 now supported in-kernel?
[08:08] Action: Delahunt checks
[08:10] <oobe> Delahunt, probably but what ever bundles with a stable kernel release is months behind in bug fixes
[08:10] <Delahunt> uh sure whatever you say
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[08:11] <Delahunt> it's in staging drivers
[08:11] <Delahunt> (if i understand my search pattern correctly)
[08:12] <oobe> so anyway you might need a newer kernel to build compat wireless slack has 2.6.32 so i would try switching to that Delahunt
[08:12] <James____> is 2.6.32 availble for slack 13.0 ?
[08:13] <James____> is there an easy way to upgrade
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[08:13] <Delahunt> what is compat wireless?
[08:13] <oobe> slackpkg update and slackpkg upgrade-all
[08:13] <oobe> but that will upgrade all packages
[08:13] <phrags> 13.0 comes with 2.6.29.6.
[08:13] <phrags> after patching
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[08:13] <oobe> if you just want newer kernel then get it from a mirror and use upgradepkg manually
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[08:13] <Delahunt> so instead of building a kernel update which would be safer you recommend upgrading everything to, what?  -current?
[08:13] <phrags> -current uses 2.6.33
[08:14] <alienBOB> Upgrading to -current is definitely not "safer"
[08:14] <oobe> i dont know i use current i dont know what kernel is in 13
[08:14] <Delahunt> i would think the point to helping someone is to get them helped in the easiest way that has the least likelihood of destroying their system
[08:14] <phrags> and if you need another kernel, and are not sure what to include, then use the slackware huge or generic config, and make oldconfig on some new source
[08:14] <guax> alienBOB, but is definitely "cooler"
[08:14] <Delahunt> 13 = 2.6.29.6
[08:14] <guax> :D
[08:14] <Delahunt> until your software won't compile without heavy patching
[08:15] <Delahunt> s/heavy//
[08:15] <alienBOB> guax: sure! I run it all the time
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[08:15] <guax> alienBOB, as they say, current ftw.
[08:16] <oobe> yes you are correct Delahunt 13 only had 2.6.29
[08:16] <Delahunt> -current is not for people who want something that "just works".  it is the testing area.  sure, it's usually stable, but once in a while you run into bugs (caused by upstream normally)
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[08:16] <Delahunt> honestly 13.0 with a 2.6.33.1 kernel will probably do the trick for getting that wireless card to work
[08:16] <Delahunt> it's in staging drivers in 2.6.33.1
[08:17] <Delahunt> but still, feel free to recommend whatever you want
[08:17] <Azeotrope> oobe: ok, now i'm in my chrooted system but i can't find any kernel images.
[08:17] <oobe> James____, dont worry you dont need to upgrade your kernel you can use this page for older kernels http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download/compat-wireless-old
[08:17] <oobe> i couldnt find the link before
[08:17] Action: Delahunt hugs sox
[08:17] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Have you mounted the Slackware DVD ?
[08:18] <oobe> Mel-nix, he is running from a livecd
[08:18] <oobe> Azeotrope, you need to figure out how to copy the kernel packages from the cd or download them from a mirror
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[08:19] <Azeotrope> oobe: ok
[08:19] <oobe> if you internet is working in chroot which it probably is then you can dload it from a mirror
[08:19] <oobe> Azeotrope, what version are you using of slackware
[08:19] <Mel-nix> Oh. I have (had) 2 optical drives. ;)
[08:19] <oobe> slackware 13 32 bit
[08:19] <Azeotrope> oobe: 64bit
[08:20] <oobe> http://ftp.belnet.be/packages/slackware/slackware64-13.0/slackware64/a  use this mirror Azeotrope
[08:20] <oobe> it is slackware 13 not current?
[08:20] <Azeotrope> oobe: 13. not current. thanks
[08:21] <oobe> once you download you images
[08:21] <oobe> a you know the rest
[08:21] <Azeotrope> oobe: thanks
[08:22] <Azeotrope> brb
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[08:26] <Mel-nix> Whenever I run elvis, I get a message on the screen: "skipping 14 old session files"
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[08:26] <Mel-nix> How do I get rid of it?
[08:29] <Delahunt> find the session files
[08:29] <Delahunt> probably ls -A ~
[08:30] <The-Croupier> hmmm...my google homepage turned to french...i think my pc thinks im in  france ;)
[08:30] <Mel-nix> Delahunt: What are they named?
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[08:30] <Blue-Slacker> brainvision: hi man are you there
[08:30] <The-Croupier> how nice is that ;).... and i dont remember how to get that back  to soemthing else...:(
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[08:31] <The-Croupier> i think it was locale  ...but not sure at all :(
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[08:31] <Delahunt> Mel-nix, i don't know, i don't use elvis
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[08:38] <Mel-nix> Delahunt: Anyway, which editor do you use?
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[08:41] <Delahunt> nano
[08:41] <Delahunt> my needs are few
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[08:43] <Delahunt> hey if i wanted to copy a bunch of random music to my mp3 player (encoding everything as ogg -q3 just won't fit it all on there) would the best way be to find ~/Music/Christian > /tmp/music.txt && for i in `cat /tmp/music.txt | sort -R`; do cp "$i" > /media/IAUDIO/; done    ?
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[08:44] <Mel-nix> Delahunt: Provided that the file-names don't have spaces.
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[08:50] <Delahunt> Mel-nix, the $i is surrounded by quotes
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[08:51] <Delahunt> ah
[08:52] <Delahunt> command needs to be surrounded in "" too
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[08:53] <Mel-nix> Delahunt: Yes, but I have a *strong* feeling that there would be a problem in parsing items for the `for' loop.
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[08:53] <Delahunt> yeah i am testing it using echo in front of cp
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[08:53] <terry> I remove the spaces:  for i in *.mp3; do mv "$i" `echo $i | tr ' ' '_'`; done
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[08:53] <Delahunt> i don't want to remove the spaces
[08:54] <slava_dp> for i in "$(find ~/Music/Christian -type f -name '*.mp3' -print0 | xargs -0 sort -R)"; do cp "$i" /media/IAUDIO/; done
[08:54] <terry> Ok, just to me, makes things a bit simplier.
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[08:55] <slava_dp> not tested, just a brainfart
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[09:00] <Camarade_Tux> slava_dp: why for + xargs ?
[09:01] <Camarade_Tux> actually, I think, it maybe won't be split correctly: maybe a while read with \0 as a sep
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[09:02] <Delahunt>  find . -name "*.ogg" | sed -e 's/\.\//cp \"/' | sed -e 's/.ogg/.ogg\" \/media\/IAUDIO/' > /tmp/music.txt
[09:02] <allend> Camarade_Tux: to preserve spaces
[09:02] <Delahunt> er music.sh then run it
[09:03] <Camarade_Tux> Delahunt: for sed, you can put several -e exprs on the same line
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[09:03] <Delahunt> er put a sort -R at the end
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[09:03] <Delahunt> Camarade_Tux, didn't know that lol
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[09:03] <slava_dp> you shouldn't sed filenames :) this looks a little insane to me :) but if it works, that's fine.
[09:03] <Camarade_Tux> allend: yeah, but using a "for" here looks weird (not the xargs part)
[09:04] <Delahunt> it's funny how amarok and other players claim to be so advanced yet they don't have what i would consider simple but important features
[09:04] <Delahunt> such as "hey, convert that FLAC to an ogg"
[09:04] <Delahunt> or "hey populate my player with random files taken from this playlist ..."
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[09:05] <slava_dp> you could poke the developers
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[09:06] <Delahunt> s/poke/stab/
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[09:11] <sahk0> s/stab/patch
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[09:13] <sahk0> but i agree, a foobar2000 like thing on linux would be nice
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[09:15] <peacenik> I seem to be having trouble using consoles (alt-F1 to F6) - the font is so big or the screen resolution is so low. This is just since the last update (kernel 2.6.33)
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[09:16] <peacenik> X works fine and the konsole and xterm are good, but sometimes I like to use these others (for longer tar jobs, etc
[09:16] <phrags> peacenik: which framebuffer code do you use in lilo ?
[09:16] <phrags> 791?
[09:17] <peacenik> one sec I played around with that when the prob started, just goin to check lilo.conf . . .
[09:17] <peacenik> vga=773 and vga=normal
[09:18] <terry> I use vga=normal  #Only
[09:18] <slava_dp> I use kms :)
[09:18] <peacenik> it boots up with a nice font until X srats (inittab level 4), then when I sswitch back to a console, it's gacked
[09:19] <Mel-nix> I have the same annoyance as peacenik.
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[09:19] <peacenik> I notice during startup I'm getting [drm] nouveau  . . . . messages and I was wondering if that could be the prob
[09:20] <Omerta_> hello guys
[09:20] <slava_dp> peacenik, blacklist nouveau and use vga=773 + nvidia driver.
[09:20] <Omerta_> do you guys recommend slackware's current releases?
[09:20] <slava_dp> Omerta_, of course we do.
[09:21] <sahk0> ...if you know what you're doing
[09:21] <peacenik> also this is a bit of a drag because when I reboot or shutdown, I can't see any messages becasue they're all so big (I think around 30 char fills screen width)
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[09:22] <mr-S^b43> hello ! Anybody using gigolo with xfce. cant get the thing to work ....
[09:22] <Omerta_> i sometimes have no idea what i'm doing, i'm new to linux but i really want to learn
[09:22] <slava_dp> peacenik, /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[09:22] <slava_dp> mr-S^b43, gigolo does not really work. I tried to make it do a while ago, but failed.
[09:22] <peacenik> slava ok I'll check blacklist
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[09:23] <Omerta_> most people tell me if i really want to learn linux, i should use slackware or gentoo
[09:23] <mr-S^b43> ohhh that might explain a lot. what ever i tried, it just wont work :(
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[09:23] <Omerta_> do you guys agree?
[09:23] <peacenik> will nvidia driver be recognised during bootup or do I need to do something for that too?
[09:23] <terry> Omerta_: Yes
[09:24] <Omerta_> i'm a beginner, will that be a big problem?
[09:24] <surrounder> Omerta_: yup, slackware or crux...screw gentoo, far too complicated :P
[09:24] <surrounder> Omerta_: not really if you can read
[09:24] <sahk0> surrounder: ++
[09:24] <sahk0> :D
[09:24] <terry> peacenik: It should, (as long as you use the os "nv" driver
[09:24] <mr-S^b43> any other suggestions to get xfce to work with ssh,smb,ftp ? I have he fuse packages installed.
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[09:24] <Omerta_> i can and i know a bit of programming, i guess that'll help as well
[09:25] <Omerta_> c, java, assembly
[09:25] <mr-S^b43> sshfs, fusesmb work but not veru handy by ever changing network enviroments
[09:25] <sahk0> Omerta_: read the slackbook link in the topic
[09:25] <peacenik> ok I'll go and try all that will reboot, in meantime will be away . . .
[09:25] <Omerta_> yeah i already downloaded it, i'll begin to read, thanks
[09:25] <sahk0> install Slackware 13.0 first, try it see how it goes after a couple of months
[09:25] <slava_dp> mr-S^b43, I just launched konqueror for smb, lftp for ftp, and ssh for ssh :)
[09:26] <mr-S^b43> the thing is i have uninstallled all kde packages. My lappy does not need much
[09:26] <Omerta_> i always want the latest software, 13.0 comes with the old ones
[09:26] <Omerta_> so i thought will be better for me
[09:26] <mr-S^b43> i still can use MC, but ..........
[09:26] <slava_dp> mr-S^b43, there is smb4k, but it needs kdelibs too.
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[09:26] <sahk0> Omerta_: you are starting with the wrong mentality already IMO
[09:27] <mr-S^b43> mhh i guess i try living with MC. Installinng kde libs, just results in using kde
[09:27] <sahk0> current is or can be unstable
[09:27] <Omerta_> i see
[09:28] <surrounder> Omerta_: slack makes it quite easy to just download/build vanilla software, so that's a plus if you like bleeding edge software
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[09:28] <terry> Omerta_: Suffice to say, you're in the right place.  Read slackbook ; do Slackware full install ; come back with any questions ; have fun.
[09:28] <matze_> hi
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[09:29] <Omerta_> i'll do that, thanks guys
[09:29] <slava_dp> Omerta_, you may have luck with -current but you may as well trash your system on the next update. so if I were you, I'd pick the stable release, then upgrade using the documentation when the next slackware sees the light.
[09:30] <mr-S^b43> i second that. If youo have very little knowledge of slackware/linux stay away from current
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[09:32] <Azeotrope> after make modules_install I got: WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.29.6/misc/vboxdrv.ko needs unknown symbol contig_page_data . What is this and how can I correct it?
[09:35] <mr-S^b43> Azerotrope: warning are quite common on building modules/software. The real question is: Does it work ?
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[09:37] <Azeotrope> mr-S^b43: I HOPE! i didn't reboot yet
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[09:37] <allend> Azeotrope: make modules_install suggests a kernel compile. vboxdrv.ko is the VirtualBox kernel module. You may need to recompile that as well.
[09:38] <mr-S^b43> this is virtualbox you are talking about. Compiled of source or slackbuilds.org ?
[09:38] <peacenik> slava, sorry I didn't I haven't been logging chat buffer - do I blacklist "blacklist nouveau" and "blacklist vga773" is that the format?
[09:38] <Azeotrope> i compiled a kernel from source
[09:38] <slava_dp> Azeotrope, /etc/rc.d/rc.vboxdrv setup   <-- if this is the version from the .run file.
[09:38] <mr-S^b43> ohhh, than allend is right
[09:39] <slava_dp> peacenik, add "blacklist nouveau" to blacklist.conf and use vga=773 in /etc/lilo.conf
[09:39] <slava_dp> or whatever you used before
[09:40] <Azeotrope> slava_dp: so, it removed old kernel drivers
[09:40] <peacenik> comment out normal in lilo.conf?
[09:40] <slava_dp> peacenik, should work
[09:40] <Omerta_> guys i have a 64-bit slackware 13.0 dvd, how can i make a minimal install including kde and a web browser (preferrably firefox)?
[09:40] <Azeotrope> Starting VirtualBox kernel module ...failed! (modprobe vboxdrv failed. Please use 'dmesg' to find out why)
[09:41] <peacenik> Ok will try sorry for asking the repeat . . .
[09:41] <slava_dp> Omerta_, in slackware, you do a full install. do not sort packages, there is no dependency tracking.
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[09:41] <rek> hi
[09:41] <Omerta_> so you recommend a full install?
[09:41] <Azeotrope> Omerta_: use slax
[09:41] <slava_dp> Omerta_, definitely do a full install.
[09:41] <allend> Omerta_: definitely for a new user
[09:42] <sahk0> Azeotrope: use vmware
[09:42] <slava_dp> Azeotrope, slax is irrelevant
[09:42] <rek> i tried to install slack but i had some issues with the grub
[09:42] <surrounder> lilo is standard
[09:42] <slava_dp> rek, slackware does not use grub.
[09:42] <rek> grub error
[09:42] <Azeotrope> sahk0: is it better? i found virtualbox faster than VMware
[09:42] <rek> i told him to use lilo
[09:42] <Omerta_> slava_dp: how will i uninstall unwanted softwares later, remove manually?
[09:42] <rek> hei do you use flux with slack ?
[09:43] <surrounder> execute it ?
[09:43] <Azeotrope> slava_dp: what do i do? got that error
[09:43] <allend> Omerta_: read the Slackbook
[09:43] <James____> ok i installed this driver for my usb awus050nh  but i have trouble to get it to scan on 5 ghz http://download.aircrack-ng.org/drivers/compat-wireless-aircrack-alfa036h-050nh.tar.bz2
[09:43] <rek> i need to mount things using it
[09:43] <slava_dp> Omerta_, removepkg/upgradepkg/installpkg/slackpkg/pkgtool
[09:43] <surrounder> rek: then do so
[09:43] <Omerta_> ok thanks
[09:43] <sahk0> Azeotrope: no but whenever you re gonna ask a question on an error you got, instead of answering im gonna suggest an alternative software
[09:44] <James____> how can i see if my wifi adapter can runs 5 ghz
[09:44] <rek> sourrounder do you use fdisk -l ?
[09:44] <James____> iwconfig says  ra0  RT2870
[09:45] <Azeotrope> sahk0: sadly you weren't here when I had kernel panics. You could have point me to windoze
[09:45] <surrounder> rek: no
[09:45] <sahk0> Azeotrope: bsd has nice kernels too. and customising them is not recommended there :)
[09:46] <slava_dp> hahaha
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[09:46] <pprkut> sahk0: iirc someone actually suggested bsd at some point
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[09:46] <surrounder> hmm BSD <3
[09:47] <sahk0> i cant even begin to imagine how that conversation went
[09:47] <pprkut> heh
[09:47] <surrounder> sahk0: hehe
[09:47] <mr-S^b43> James____: Usually wifi is 2.4 Ghz. Check with iwlist scan what routers are there nand their frequency
[09:47] <Azeotrope> do I have to recompile the vbox kernelo modules after I load the kernel or before?
[09:48] <sahk0> after
[09:48] <James____> iwlist ra0 ?
[09:48] <Azeotrope> ok, thanks
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[09:48] <mr-S^b43> just go root and type iwlist scan
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[09:49] <James____> then it says ra0 interface doesnt support scanning
[09:49] <James____> maybe it must be in another mode first?
[09:49] <mr-S^b43> that suggest that the installation did not went well
[09:50] <James____> airodump-ng ra0 works good
[09:50] <James____> but i only see 2.4 ghz nets
[09:50] <James____> i dont see my own 5ghz dlink
[09:50] <mr-S^b43> that is typicall for wifi
[09:50] <James____> i try airodump-ng --band a ra0
[09:51] <mr-S^b43> have you tried using wicd ?
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[09:52] <James____> yes
[09:52] <James____> also only see 2.4 ghz
[09:52] <mr-S^b43> which version ?
[09:52] <James____> 2sec will check
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[09:53] <James____> be back in 30 mins need to get a power supply to laptop
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[09:55] <peacenik> slava, rebooted and everything seems OK now thanks a lot for this
[09:56] <slava_dp> peacenik, you're welcome :-)
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[09:57] <rek> surrounder: what do you use ?
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[09:58] <surrounder> whatever I feel like... does it matter? what exactly do you want to know? :)
[09:59] <rek> surrounder: i wanto to achieve more knowledge , i've been told to use fdisk -l to find the right name to use after the command mount
[09:59] <SunTzu> i need a wikiwiki that can handle a tree of directories.
[10:00] <rek> instead i need some clomid
[10:00] <surrounder> rek: again, what are you trying to accomplish? what exactly do you want to mount ?
[10:00] <rek> for example my mp3 playaa
[10:00] <SunTzu> also, anyone having probs with watching youtube?
[10:00] <rek> or my usb flash drive it's the same
[10:00] <surrounder> rek: plug it in, run dmesg and see what device it is
[10:01] <slava_dp> rek, try blkid
[10:01] <rek> dmesg's too long i must |grep
[10:01] <surrounder> no
[10:01] <surrounder> last entry will give you what you need just after you plugged it in
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[10:03] <rek> what can i look for
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[10:04] <slava_dp> rek, what are you trying to do?
[10:04] <rek> find the name of my drive i generally use fdisk -l
[10:04] <rek> sudo fdisk -l
[10:04] <slava_dp> dmesg | tail, or blkid, or fdisk -l
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[10:05] <rek> blkid find the fs type
[10:05] <rek> however cool
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[10:06] <slava_dp> blkid also shows drive labels, so label your drives.
[10:06] <rek> ./dev/sdc only and some alphanumeric ...
[10:06] <slava_dp> e2label, ntfslabel, etc...
[10:07] <surrounder> rek: sdc is the whole device, you'll prolly need sdc1 or sdc2 or ...
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[10:07] <rek> ../dev/sdc1: LABEL="" UUID="4B61-CD9B" TYPE="vfat
[10:07] <rek> i mount sdc
[10:07] <SunTzu> do NOT use "" in that line!!!
[10:07] <rek> what?
[10:08] <surrounder> rek: don't mount the whole device
[10:08] <SunTzu> is that output from some command run? or did you give that to a command?
[10:08] <surrounder> rek: http://linuxcommando.blogspot.com/2007/12/how-to-mount-usb-flash-drive-from.html
[10:08] <surrounder> rek: read that
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[10:09] <slava_dp> rek, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RenameUSBDrive
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[10:11] <Azeotrope> I keep getting kernel panics.
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[10:12] <Azeotrope> How can I reinstall the kernels from the dvd? I am chrooting now from the slack dvd
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[10:13] <guax> Azeotrope, why are you getting kernel panics?
[10:13] <Azeotrope> guax, i tried to compile my own kernel, won't work, i chrooted, downloaded a kernel txz file and did a installpkg
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[10:14] <Azeotrope> also i modified lilo.conf and run /sbin/lilo
[10:14] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: # upgradepkg --reinstall somepkg.txz
[10:14] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix, i'd better like to install the kernel from the slack dvd
[10:14] <rek> f
[10:15] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Mount the DVD first.
[10:15] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: mounted. i'm chrooting from it
[10:16] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: # upgradepkg --reinstall /path_to_package/somepkg.txz
[10:16] <sahk0> you're not supposed to chroot to the dvd. but to your Slackware installation
[10:16] <Azeotrope> sahk0: i said from it. i am in my slack install now
[10:17] <Azeotrope> using two tty, one for irssi and one for root terminal
[10:18] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: ok. installed that package, lilo.conf ok, /sbin/lilo added the entries
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[10:19] <Azeotrope> but i'd like to have the kernel from the slack dvd
[10:19] <sahk0> i see..
[10:19] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Don't keep using installpkg(8). I used to do it before and have multiple entries of installed packages with the same name. Use the right tool always. upgradepkg(8) in this case.
[10:20] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: ok. so now will it work?
[10:20] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: No errors on running lilo(8) ?
[10:20] <surrounder> a reinstall would've been quicker by now anyhow Azeotrope :P
[10:21] <Axius> What packages one neends to compile from source?
[10:21] <Axius> What packages one needs to compile from source?
[10:21] <Azeotrope> surrounder: i don't like to surrender. or surrounding
[10:21] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: sais 3 warnings issued
[10:21] <surrounder> Azeotrope: then make sure you know what you're doing, test it first on a virtual machine or on a testmachine or something :)
[10:22] <Azeotrope> surrounder: yea, I plan to do that after i'll hav my desktop working again
[10:22] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Any serious ones?
[10:22] <sahk0> Axius: packages in the d/ series
[10:22] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: 2 about video and 1 about LBA32
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[10:23] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: lba32 addressing assumed. dunno what's that
[10:23] <shannara> hello
[10:23] <zux1wrk> just got into a strange problem with squid :_
[10:23] <zux1wrk> :)
[10:23] <Axius> sahk0: all the packages in d/ series?
[10:24] <shannara> I would like to create a version of slackware
[10:24] <shannara> for school
[10:24] <zux1wrk> my ddclient was set to update via web
[10:24] <zux1wrk> but since i installed squid on my router
[10:24] <shannara> This includes tuxpain tuxmath gcompris geogebra
[10:24] <zux1wrk> the address had changed to 192.168.....
[10:24] <sahk0> Axius: depends on what youre buidling
[10:24] <sahk0> and how
[10:24] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Specify the line: "lba32" in lilo.conf(5). Run lilo(8) again.
[10:25] <Axius> sahk0: I want to build Ipython.
[10:25] <shannara> as this a good idea ? for my project
[10:26] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> shannara: no
[10:26] <sahk0> Axius: install all of d/, try again
[10:26] <shannara> Why ???
[10:26] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> because no one will use it
[10:26] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> just use slackware to do something cool for your project
[10:26] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: specify it how? just addid to the boot entry?
[10:27] <Axius> sahk0: ok, I will try without all packages in /d.
[10:27] <sahk0> you should have already done that i suppose :)
[10:28] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Just add the line in the common (not image specific) section.
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[10:28] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Actually, I meant the global section.
[10:29] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: ok, thanks. no lba32 warning
[10:29] <Azeotrope> am i safe to reboot?
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[10:30] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: I cannot guarantee that, but you should try now.
[10:30] <shannara> I send an mail a patrick
[10:30] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> shannara: you might not get a timely reply.....
[10:31] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> shannara: why not do a linux from scratch system then either use slackware slackbuilds or the toast packager
[10:32] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> http://www.toastball.net/toast/
[10:32] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: one more thing. after the upgrade pkg commad  i have a vmlinuz and a vmlinuz-generic-<version>. which one do i use in lilo?
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[10:32] <Azeotrope> i put both
[10:33] <Azeotrope> in two sepparate entries
[10:33] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Are both the same or different kernels?
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[10:33] <shannara> Because a linux from source will take me much longer
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[10:34] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: same i think. it appeared after the pkg install
[10:34] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: What appeared where?
[10:34] <Azeotrope> the vmlinuz and the vmlinuz-generic-26... files
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[10:35] <Azeotrope> i had deleted them prior to upgradepkg kernel.txz
[10:35] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: In the /boot directory right?
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[10:35] <Azeotrope> yes. also deleted system.map
[10:35] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Do $ ls -l
[10:36] <Azeotrope> ok
[10:36] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Actually `vmlinuz' is just a symbolic link to the actual kernel image.
[10:36] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: seems vmlinuz is a link to
[10:36] <Azeotrope> vmlinuxgeneric
[10:36] <Azeotrope> yea
[10:37] <Azeotrope> ok. gonna reboot
[10:37] <Azeotrope> thnaks
[10:37] <Rossonero> Azeotrope, I saw you today many times :P
[10:37] <Azeotrope> Rossonero: i'm active
[10:38] <Rossonero> haha
[10:38] <Rossonero> good one then !
[10:38] <phrags> vmlinuxgeneric?
[10:38] <Axius> How can I clean the cache?
[10:38] <Azeotrope> exit
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[10:39] <phrags> heh, this the dude who was going to rebuild his kernel hours ago?
[10:39] <Rossonero> hhhh
[10:39] <phrags> Axius: what cache
[10:39] <surrounder> phrags: yeah
[10:40] <Axius> phrags: the crap file
[10:40] <phrags> in what?
[10:40] <phrags> browser cache? mysql cache? disk cache?
[10:40] <phrags> cache cache? =P
[10:40] <Axius> phrags: disk cache
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[10:41] <phrags> Azalyn: sync should do that
[10:42] <nachox> morning people
[10:42] <sahk0> i doubt you two mean the same thing when you refer to the term 'disk cache'
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[10:42] <phrags> sync; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
[10:42] <phrags> that's disk --> memory cache tho iirc
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[10:43] <phrags> also don't quote me on that.. just found it
[10:43] Action: surrounder quotes phrags on that
[10:43] <JBauer> still getting kernel panic error: kernel panic not syncing: VFS : unable to mount root fs on unknown block (8,7)
[10:44] Nick change: JBauer -> Azeotrope
[10:44] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: That's because you are using kernel-generic. The fix is easy though.
[10:44] <surrounder> Azeotrope: what filesystem? special /boot parition ?
[10:45] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: how
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[10:45] <Azeotrope> surrounder: ext4, no boot partion
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[10:47] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: # mkinitrd -k `uname -r` -m ext4 -r /dev/sda7 (assuming your root partition is that)
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[10:51] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Please read the file "/boot/README.initrd" as well as the manual for mkinitrd(8), for the details.
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[10:52] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: i got 3289 bloks
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[10:52] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: What? Where?
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[10:52] <slava_dp> lol
[10:53] <surrounder> I wish I had 3289 blocks :(
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[10:53] <NaCl> Azeotrope: that's the number of blocks in the initrd
[10:53] Action: slava_dp wishes for 3290 blocks tho
[10:54] <NaCl> And yes, read /boot/README.initrd
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[10:54] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: I forgot to mention the `-f' switch. Read the above mentioned files and you will understand.
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[10:55] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: ok. thanks
[10:55] <NaCl> Mel-nix: I find it easier to fiddle with /etc/mkinitrd.conf
[10:55] Action: NaCl is reminded to check the status of fglrx
[10:56] <guax> im getting (finaly) a dual monitor setup working with my 945, but without video playback. XV is messed up i think. anyone with this problem?
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[10:56] <Mel-nix> NaCl: Thanks for the tip. :)
[10:57] <NaCl> Mel-nix: the -F flag helps
[10:57] <NaCl> It uses /etc/mkinitrd.conf
[10:57] <Mel-nix> NaCl: Ah. Yes. Never realized it before.
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[11:02] <XGizzmo> mkinitrd-generator FTW :)
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[11:09] <Axius> How can I change the default editor from vi to vim?
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[11:10] <slava_dp> edit /etc/profile, add: EDITOR=vim; VISUAL=vim
[11:11] <slava_dp> or ~/.bash_profile, that will work for you alone.
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[11:11] <slava_dp> or create a file in /etc/profile.d/, name it "editor" (for example) and put these lines in it.
[11:11] <slava_dp> editor.sh
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[11:17] <Axius> slava_dp: I'm useing zsh.
[11:17] <NaCl> then do the same thing in .zshrc
[11:17] <NaCl> zsh reads the stuff in /etc/profile.d/ too
[11:17] <slava_dp> I believe, /etc/profile is run by zsh too.
[11:18] <NaCl> slava_dp: correct
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[11:18] <slava_dp> altho I don't see any benefit in using zsh, apart from total script unportability :/
[11:19] <NaCl> slava_dp: the shell is nice
[11:19] <NaCl> And it can run bourne shell stuff
[11:19] <NaCl> usually
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[11:19] <NaCl> root?
[11:19] <NaCl> slackboy needs to be tweaked a little
[11:20] <Axius> slava_dp: I like tab complitions.
[11:20] <slava_dp> whatever works for you.
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[11:22] <NaCl> I also use zsh.  works fine for me
[11:22] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> blarg this fedora core prompt is pissing me off
[11:23] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> someone gi ve me a good PS1 prompt
[11:23] <Axius> NaCl: How do set the default editor iv .zshrc?
[11:23] <Axius> NaCl: How do set the default editor in .zshrc?
[11:23] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> EDITOR= ?
[11:23] <slava_dp> export EDITOR= VISUAL=
[11:24] <NaCl> Axius: < NaCl> then do the same thing in .zshrc
[11:24] <Axius> ok
[11:26] <Axius> Thank you for your help.
[11:27] <NaCl> sure
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[11:37] <paul424> any idea how could I build kdevelop beta9 ? I should use the slackbuilds of beta7 ?
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[11:38] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> paul424: that will probably work fine
[11:39] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> do you ever try things on your own?
[11:39] <Azeotrope> i recompiled the kernel but i have some issues with NVIDIA. won't startx, sais no driver modules loaded
[11:39] <Azeotrope> do i have reinstall the drivers?
[11:40] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: You may need to load the module, by adding it to initrd. Just a guess.
[11:41] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Find out the loaded module drivers by /sbin/lsmod
[11:41] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: how? i've read the man page and readme but didn't said anything about graphics driver
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[11:42] <paul424> jrbcnchzbrgrdlx: yeah, but remember dude, when in the slackware land , one must be extremly cautious :P, there a trap every time you put a step ....
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[11:44] <NaCl> Mel-nix: the nvidia driver will be loaded on boot if the module is compatible and if no other module (i.e. nouveau) gets in its way
[11:44] <NaCl> At least from my experiences with it
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[11:46] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> paul424: not really
[11:47] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> but if thats your impression of slackland
[11:47] <NaCl> Most user errors are recoverable
[11:48] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> yea and easy to debug
[11:48] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> and slackbuilds are pretty reversible
[11:48] <NaCl> Emphasis on *most*.  I can think of a few that aren't...
[11:48] <NaCl> Indeed.
[11:48] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> it either works or you make it work
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[11:49] <Azeotrope> I reinstalled the drivers but still i can't startx.
[11:49] <Azeotrope> sais the kernel module is not loaded or so
[11:49] <NaCl> then load it
[11:49] <Azeotrope> how?
[11:49] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> thats what i'd do
[11:50] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> what do you mean how
[11:50] <Azeotrope> also vboxdrv not loaded
[11:50] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> load the module
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[11:50] <Azeotrope> how do i load the modules
[11:50] <NaCl> Azeotrope: you need to reinstall vbox too
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[11:50] <Azeotrope> NaCl: ok, but how do i load the modules
[11:50] <NaCl> modprobe
[11:51] <Azeotrope> modprobe NVIDIA?
[11:51] <NaCl> lower case
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[11:52] Action: NaCl will suggest the slackbook next time
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[11:56] <Azeotrope> did a modprobe nvidia, everything ok but when i startx i get: fatal error no screens found
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[11:57] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> Azeotrope: have you ever used linux before?
[11:57] <Azeotrope> jeez... yea
[11:57] <Azeotrope> used, not build it from zero
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[11:58] <Rossonero> Azeotrope,  you have talked more than Zordrak today :P
[11:59] <mancha> jack bauer doesn't talk this much
[11:59] <Azeotrope> Rossonero: yes i did... and all because i wanted to use my pci express wifi card as AP.
[11:59] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> Azeotrope: have you ever heard of config files?
[11:59] <Azeotrope> yes
[12:00] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> what about log files?
[12:00] <Azeotrope> yes
[12:00] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> what about a text editor with which to read or modify log or config files?
[12:00] <Azeotrope> yes
[12:00] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> then there is nothing we can teach you
[12:00] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> that you cant figure out on your own
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[12:01] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> you need a proper xorg.conf as per your error and Xorg.0.log
[12:01] <Azeotrope> what about what config file to edit?
[12:02] <Azeotrope> ok...
[12:02] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> it should have worked automatically if you let nvidia edit it
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[12:02] <Azeotrope> i didn't
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[12:02] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> why not
[12:02] <Crimius> that's likely the problem
[12:03] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> you wanted to do it manually?
[12:03] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> and then didnt know how?
[12:03] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> or forgot?
[12:03] <Azeotrope> no, i never imagined that
[12:03] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> DERP
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[12:03] <Azeotrope> i was thinking that is better to keep the old one
[12:03] <Azeotrope> what do i do, what do i do?
[12:03] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> supposedly you can run nvidia-xconfig
[12:03] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> as root
[12:04] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> and it will do the rest maybe
[12:04] <Azeotrope> maybe? and if not?
[12:04] <Immundus> come back and ask again
[12:04] <Crimius> we'll cross that when we com to it
[12:04] <Azeotrope> let me try. thanks
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[12:04] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> i say if not, eat pickles
[12:04] <Crimius> if you don't knwo what you're doing, always back up the config file
[12:04] <Crimius> always
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[12:05] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> lol
[12:05] <Crimius> hehe
[12:06] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> i finally compiled-out generic x86 stuff from the kernel
[12:06] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> hope i get a speed boost
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[12:06] <Azeotrope> same issue after nvidia-xconf
[12:07] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> ok delete your xorg.conf
[12:07] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> Section "Device"     Identifier     "Device0"     Driver         "nvidia" EndSection
[12:07] <Azeotrope> jrbcnchzbrgrdlx: i have only one tty.
[12:07] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> and put just that in there
[12:07] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> ctlr + alt + f2 ?
[12:07] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> or alt + f2
[12:08] <Crimius> or f3
[12:08] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> or f6
[12:08] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> or fu
[12:08] <Azeotrope> blank screen
[12:08] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> are you on slackware
[12:08] <Azeotrope> i think it's that init 4
[12:08] <Azeotrope> yes
[12:08] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> why arent you in init 4?
[12:09] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> err 3
[12:09] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: I suggest you use the latest kernel from `-current'.
[12:09] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> init 4 sucks
[12:09] Action: Crimius shakes head
[12:09] <Azeotrope> jrbcnchzbrgrdlx: dunno. that's the way it booted
[12:09] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: i don't have current
[12:09] <Azeotrope> also, i can't get that kernel
[12:09] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> init 3 should have lots of ttys
[12:09] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Why?
[12:10] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: i don't have the link so i can wget it
[12:10] <matze_> *gähn* :O
[12:11] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: It can be beneficial at times to keep a local mirror of `-current'.
[12:11] <matze_> how long takes it to build 2.6.33 with a damn 400Mhz Celeron oO
[12:11] <The-Croupier> anybody using conky?
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[12:11] <Azeotrope> The-Croupier: me
[12:11] <Azeotrope> was, when i had graphics
[12:11] <surrounder> matze_: I'd go out for a few beers I were you :P
[12:11] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> cat .config|grep "=y"|wc -l 354
[12:11] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: All right. Wait a minute.
[12:12] <The-Croupier> Azeotrope: you have a laptop? and can you pastebin the conky.conf?
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[12:12] <surrounder> Azeotrope: reinstall? :P
[12:12] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> grep "=m" .config|wc -l 93
[12:12] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> how many do you guys have :D
[12:13] <Azeotrope> The-Croupier: not right now. I found some examples on a archlinux forum, lots of examples for conky
[12:13] <Azeotrope> surrounder: NO!
[12:13] <surrounder> ^_^
[12:13] <Azeotrope> i'm gonna work it until my nipples bleed
[12:14] <surrounder> can't you do that in silence then? :P
[12:14] <matze_> can`t wait lol :) want to get mosix up and waste some power
[12:14] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/slackware64/a/kernel-generic-2.6.33-x86_64-1.txz
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[12:14] <rek> i hope my nipples will be fine
[12:14] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> i only have 354 things marked Y in .config...wonder what else i can remove
[12:14] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/slackware64/a/kernel-modules-2.6.33-x86_64-1.txz
[12:15] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: thanks!
[12:15] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/slackware64/a/kernel-firmware-2.6.33-noarch-1.txz
[12:16] <Azeotrope> Do i need to install the noarch too?
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[12:17] <phrags> it is firmware.. it doesnt have an arch, hence noarch
[12:17] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/slackware64/k/kernel-source-2.6.33-noarch-1.txz
[12:17] <The-Croupier> i get this from  conky: Conky: can't open /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state: No such file or directory" is it somwhere else i have to find the battery on current?
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[12:17] <phrags> The-Croupier: try BAT1
[12:18] <The-Croupier> phrags: thanks ;)
[12:18] <phrags> /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0 and BAT1 both exist on my -current
[12:18] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> me am HUNGRAWR
[12:18] <Azeotrope> So, I download the .txz files, upgradepkg --reinstall package.txz, modify lilo.conf, /sbin/lilo, install nvidia drivers, modprobe nvidia, mkinitrd and then reboot?
[12:19] <The-Croupier> phrags: yeah same here ;) i cat BAT1 by hand and it produced results ;) so it might be that
[12:19] <phrags> probably not the answer... i'd imagine you need to load the correct kernel driver for your chipset
[12:19] <The-Croupier> thank you
[12:19] <phrags> ah cool
[12:19] <phrags> =)
[12:19] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> Azeotrope: why would you --reinstall ?
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[12:19] <phrags> jrbcnchzbrgrdlx: cleanliness
[12:19] <Azeotrope> jrbcnchzbrgrdlx: then installpkg
[12:19] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> .........
[12:20] <The-Croupier> phrags: hows you bro? what you up to?
[12:20] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> upgradepkg
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[12:20] <phrags> because that will either upgrade packages or reinstall those already present and matching
[12:20] <Azeotrope> Do I need the noarch.txz too?
[12:20] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> phrags: ok
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[12:21] <phrags> Azeotrope: it's a good idea, has things like ipw2200 firmwares and things
[12:21] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> phrags: that makes sense then...mind blown!
[12:21] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> first person to make sense in here all morning was Azeotrope
[12:21] <Azeotrope> I object
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[12:22] <phrags> jrbcnchzbrgrdlx: it's basically saying, if the package matches one already installed, then upgrade if possible, if not reinstall the same package
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[12:22] <phrags> upgradepkg --install-new --reinstall */*.t?z is a nice way to upgrade
[12:23] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> yeah but dont reinstall...........
[12:24] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> cleanliness in theory...only if you put your grubby mits on the files that were installed from that package previously
[12:25] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> but its fun reinstalling things for no reason i suppose
[12:25] <The-Croupier> phrags: upgradepkg  would not work on mine :( is there any configuration needed prior to the command you just posted?
[12:26] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> on your what
[12:27] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> upgradepkg doesnt work on my iphone either
[12:28] <phrags> The-Croupier: well that would need to point to packages
[12:28] <phrags> what doesnt work
[12:28] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> HAHA
[12:28] Action: jrbcnchzbrgrdlx shakes head
[12:29] <The-Croupier> ohhh that would be specific packages then ;) sorry my mistake i misunderstood...i though one could upgrade all the pkgs in slack with that command :(
[12:32] <phrags> no, that would be slackpkg update && slackpkg install-new && slackpkg upgrade-all  (USE WITH CAUTION)
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[12:32] <The-Croupier> phrags: i use that one ;) (with caution) ;)
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[12:32] <The-Croupier> i just thought the one you posted would be something new ;) so....;)
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[12:33] <matze_> anyone knows a PDA with Keyboard and Linux support ? :O
[12:34] <tank-man> n800
[12:34] <tank-man> nokia n800
[12:34] <tank-man> has palmOS5 virtualmachine too
[12:34] <tank-man> you can use bluetooth or usb kb
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[12:35] <tank-man> n810 has a builtin keyboard
[12:35] <matze_> k i will take a look at it :)
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[12:36] <Azeotrope> I AM so doomed and fubared
[12:37] <macavity> and the n900 is schweeeet... just to pricy for my modest budget :-/
[12:37] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: What happened now?
[12:37] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: said it can't load the modules and put me to emergency bash or so
[12:37] <matze_> i liked my HP 200LX :) nice PDA
[12:38] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Did you run mkinitrd after upgrading the kernel?
[12:38] <Azeotrope> no...
[12:38] <macavity> running huge-smp?
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[12:39] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Remember the `-k' switch?
[12:39] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> GOOD BYE
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[12:39] <jrbcnchzbrgrdlx> remember, you want to EAT jr bcn chz brgr dlx
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[12:40] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: I did a mkinitrd -c -k `uname -r` -m ext4 -f ext4 -r /dev/sdaX
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[12:41] <macavity> that looks about right
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[12:42] <Azeotrope> i got 3125 blocks
[12:42] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Don't forget to run lilo.
[12:42] <macavity> personally i always clean out /boot/initrd-tree after each run, so i dont end up with milti-kernel initrds
[12:44] <thrice`> isn't that what -c is for? :)
[12:44] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: did it
[12:44] <macavity> thrice`: ah :P
[12:44] <v4nelle> anybody with working touchpad withour xorg.conf?
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[12:45] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Upgrading to `-current' may solve many issues, and introduce new ones though.
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[12:50] <Camarade_Tux> I'm going to buy a new screen and was wondering if anyone knew a nice review website
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[12:50] <Cann0n> i can't compile anything after going multilib...
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[12:50] <BP{k}> also -current will actually mean you have an understanding of the base system and don't need to ask every single question.
[12:50] <Camarade_Tux> or advises about brands/models
[12:51] <pprkut> BP{k}: that would be nice
[12:51] <BP{k}> pprkut: wouldn't it just .. we can only hope I guess.
[12:51] <NaCl> Camarade_Tux: newegg has plenty of ratings
[12:52] <matze_> why run current ? oO
[12:52] <Skywise> so you can be cool
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[12:52] <NaCl> livin' on the edge
[12:52] <BP{k}> matze_: there maybe valid reasons. Such as wanting to help test software and find bugs.
[12:53] <BP{k}> or for a presumed larger vpenis and a huge 'ohlookmusthaveshinynewstuffz' syndrome and then bitch when things break.
[12:53] <Skywise> or wanting mad street cred
[12:53] <Crimius> vpenis.  definitely the bigger vpenis
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[12:53] <Immundus> the chicks dig it so i've been told
[12:54] <NaCl> Most don't even know what slackware is
[12:54] <NaCl> :P
[12:54] <Immundus> don't destroy my hopes
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[12:54] <Skywise> all the hot chicks can tell when you have a usb drive with slackware on it
[12:55] <matze_> maybe here are ppl around thinking Linux has version nr 11.2
[12:55] <matze_> :/
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[12:55] <jeev> Camarade_Tux, you put a spell on my SSD. it's not performing well.
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[12:56] <Camarade_Tux> NaCl: currently checking newegg, thanks
[12:57] <Camarade_Tux> jeev: if you want it to perform well, you'll need an african sorcerer to spread virgin's juice over it, it's a kind of exorcism -_-
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[12:57] <NaCl> Camarade_Tux: they aren't professional, usually, but they are usually a good indicator of quality
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[12:58] <matze_> juhu kernel compile finished after 4 hours :D
[12:58] <Cann0n> O.o
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[12:59] <anavel> wew...
[12:59] <Camarade_Tux> NaCl: yeah, I guess that will have to do, I haven't seen any kind of screen review in years =/
[12:59] <jeev> damn
[12:59] <jeev> i can't find any of them now
[12:59] <The-Croupier> hey guys...i got this problem... /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state no such file or directory...:(
[12:59] <The-Croupier> and the only thing in the config is $battery :(
[13:00] <Azeotrope> No kernels modules found Linux 2.6.33. ERROR: no /sbin/init found on rootdev (or not mounted)
[13:00] <The-Croupier> i  tried  adding $battery (BAT1) but didnt work :(
[13:00] <Azeotrope> and than puts me to the bash:# but I can't login, i can't do anything
[13:00] <NaCl> Azeotrope: try installing modules.  And given the fact that you are just trying random stuff and it's not working, I'd suggest doing some googling
[13:01] <NaCl> Or not messing with this stuf
[13:01] <eviljames> Anybody know if you can get flash to respect your asoundrc?
[13:01] <Azeotrope> NaCl: I can't google, i am chrooting by the aid of slack dvd. And I installed the modules
[13:01] <matze_> hm a pentium 75 needs days to build 2.6 oO
[13:02] <NaCl> eviljames: I wish I knew.  Maybe then it would stop killing alsa sometimes
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[13:04] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: When you last ran mkinitrd was `uname -r`==2.6.33 ?
[13:04] <thrice`> Azeotrope, that means you didn't build the initrd
[13:05] <matze_> brb - reboot and pray :D
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[13:05] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: yes
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[13:07] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Did you install all the packages, whose links I sent you.
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[13:07] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: all of them
[13:07] Nick change: off_tr4mp0 -> Gr1nch
[13:07] <The-Croupier> thrice`: i remember an initrd wasnt  needed..some time ago...is that  right?
[13:08] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Do you have an initrd line in lilo.conf ?
[13:08] <thrice`> before the generic kernel, sure
[13:08] <Cann0n> hey, do i have to make compat32 packages for my native deps?
[13:09] <thrice`> do YOU need them? :>
[13:09] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: yes
[13:10] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: What do you think the problem could be?
[13:10] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: have no idea...
[13:10] <Cann0n> well, i'm trying to compile regular 64bit packages and every time, somewhere in the lines of code, i get something that wants a /usr/lib/libxxx when i have it in lib64
[13:10] <Cann0n> it stops the compiliation
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[13:11] <thrice`> every time?  I haven't hit a package in awhile that has hard-coded /usr/lib/
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[13:11] <Cann0n> i'm not in 32dev profile and i set the slackbuild to 64bit
[13:11] <XGizzmo_> http://www.slackbuilds.org/faq/#x86_64
[13:11] <Cann0n> thrice`: i've tried 4 different things
[13:12] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: So can you boot directly from HD without the DVD?
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[13:12] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: i made the ramdisk with -k set on manual
[13:12] <matze_> re
[13:12] <Azeotrope> It worked now
[13:13] <Cann0n> XGizzmo_: thanks. i think this was my problem
[13:13] Action: Crimius celebrates
[13:13] <Necos> hmmmm, is this proper config for wpa_supplicant? http://www.pastebin.ca/1845839
[13:14] <Necos> or can i not have more than one network configured in the conf file?
[13:14] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: -k set on manual? What worked?
[13:14] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: so far i did -k `uname -r`. now i did -k 2.6.33
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[13:15] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Actually `uname -r` is a shortcut to get you current kernel version.
[13:16] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: yea, but it didn't worked cause i had 2 entries in /lib/modules
[13:16] <The-Croupier> guys is  it locale i change to change the country i am in ...in slack..cos it is showing me all the results on my searches.... in french :(
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[13:17] <snL20> The-Croupier: yeah... prolly locale... been a while since I've use slack... when I used it everything was english =)
[13:17] <Crimius> i would imagine so
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[13:18] <Crimius> normally locale is slplit into a bunch of folders for each language supported.  (f.e. en-US, fr, sp, etc)
[13:19] <The-Croupier> oops...
[13:20] <Necos> argh... looks like it doesn't work with hidden ssids >.<;
[13:20] <The-Croupier> so  that  would  be lang.sh i guess ... in this case...or shall i edit  some other file ;) for the results  in google....etc...to come back to english
[13:21] <Crimius> is Slack in french, or just firefox?
[13:21] <Crimius> if it's just firefox it's in the firefox preferences
[13:21] <The-Croupier> just  firefox..by the looks of  it....and not the program..but just the searches....the results of the searches
[13:21] <phrags> slack is not french
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[13:22] <The-Croupier> i checked lang.sh its fine :(
[13:22] <Crimius> then go to the Content tab in the firefox preferences (3rd from the left
[13:22] <Crimius> and click the second to bottom button
[13:22] <phrags> The-Croupier: what's the problem? been afk for awhile
[13:22] <Necos> ah, nevermind...
[13:22] <Crimius> firefox is french
[13:22] <Necos> ssid_scan=1 did the trick
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[13:23] <The-Croupier> phrags: my firefox  searches  seem to produce french results ;)
[13:23] <The-Croupier> thought it was  something to  do  with locale...but seems to be just  firefox..firefox menus..etc..are all  english...just google and such...are  french ;)
[13:23] <phrags> The-Croupier: google uses your ip to return your present country's google site
[13:24] <The-Croupier> phrags: im glad it got  it  wrong ;) but i need the results to be in english ;)
[13:24] <The-Croupier> i dont like/know french
[13:24] <The-Croupier> ;)
[13:24] <phrags> so it must be seeing your ip as being french, iether your proxy or whatever... think you can define which google site it uses in pref
[13:24] <The-Croupier> ill try ;)
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[13:25] <The-Croupier> good part is its not a bigger problem ;)
[13:25] <phrags> so if you google in germany, will use google.de, uk... google.co.uk, france, google.fr etc
[13:25] <Crimius> hooray for geoip
[13:25] <The-Croupier> ;)
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[13:25] <phrags> The-Croupier: i'm finally working btw =)
[13:25] <The-Croupier> phrags: great bro ;)
[13:25] <phrags> linux admin for a decent sized software company... lovin it =)
[13:25] <The-Croupier> im leaving for san-diego in couple of  weeks too
[13:26] <The-Croupier> ;)
[13:26] <The-Croupier> phrags: nice  bro ;) glad for  you,
[13:26] <The-Croupier> phrags: linux admin ;) they are lucky to have you there ;)
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[13:30] <kitche> at work we been dealing with geoip and working with google even though its not really a google problem since we bought europe ips
[13:30] <Cann0n> XGizzmo_: sadly, non of that helped
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[13:33] <Cann0n> it's wanting glibc from /usr/lib/
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[13:34] <Cann0n> http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/npxT8t90.html
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[13:37] <Cann0n> any ideas?
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[13:40] <The-Croupier> if a slackware source exists only for slack 9.1 and i want to compile run on current...i guess its not adviced...but would it be bad in any way?
[13:40] <The-Croupier> if it gets to run in the first place ;)
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[13:40] <Alan_Hicks> The-Croupier: If it compiles, it should be ok.
[13:41] <kllr> :D
[13:41] <The-Croupier> Alan_Hicks: thank you ;)
[13:41] <Alan_Hicks> What is it you're trying to build?
[13:41] <The-Croupier> i will try ;)
[13:41] <The-Croupier> mtrack ;)
[13:41] <The-Croupier> its in 9.1 /extra/
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[13:42] <The-Croupier> i cannot find it in sourceforge ;) and it was made in 1999/2000 ;)  its 10 years old ;)
[13:42] <Skywise> its prolly abandoned
[13:42] <Skywise> any urls with the source?
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[13:43] <Alan_Hicks> The-Croupier: I would be surprised if it compiles.
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[13:44] <The-Croupier> Skywise: try ftp.slackware.com
[13:44] <kllr> [sdc] Write cache: disabled, read cache: disabled
[13:45] <The-Croupier> Alan_Hicks: i will try
[13:45] <kllr> anyone know how to enable read-cache?  or do my drives not support it? how can i get the capabilities of a scsi drive
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[13:45] <Azeotrope> FUCK!
[13:45] <kllr> well its a 3ware 9000 series card, drives arent actually scsi
[13:46] <Skywise> ever wonder why scsi costs more?
[13:46] <Azeotrope> the 2.6.33 kernel won't work correctly. the screen was coloured oddly, and no movement.
[13:46] <ALVAN> kllr, try to install 3ware cli for that RAID card .. there is on the 3ware site
[13:46] <kllr> ok
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[13:47] <kllr> Skywise: well i dunno, readcache should most likely be enabled.....
[13:47] <ALVAN> with that you can change the 3ware settings including write cache and read cache .. though for performance read cache is not so  needed
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[13:47] <ALVAN> write cache must be enabled
[13:47] <kllr> ALVAN: ?
[13:47] <kllr> i dont have a battery backup so i would never enable write cache
[13:48] <ALVAN> for performance you need write cache enabled
[13:48] <Skywise> the readcache lasts for about 2mb
[13:48] <kllr> i wanted to enable read cache
[13:48] <Skywise> its really not much use
[13:48] <kllr> ah then i shouldnt worry about it
[13:48] <kllr> ah ok
[13:48] <kllr> its the 3wares 2mb onboard cache you are saying?
[13:48] <ALVAN> you really need write cache .. i always ignore that batery 3ware warning
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[13:48] <Skywise> no, the drive's own cache
[13:49] <kllr> lots of drives have 16-32mb cache now
[13:49] <kllr> these are 60gig drives though, i dont knwo about them, probably 8mb
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[13:49] <Skywise> still, they're not really the bottle neck
[13:49] <kllr> ALVAN: i dont want corruption
[13:50] <ALVAN> ok but write cache is very good for performance
[13:50] <Skywise> the difference is that the process doesn't wait on the write, but it has to wait for a read to complete with or without cache
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[13:51] <kllr>  Timing cached reads:   1638 MB in  2.00 seconds = 818.71 MB/secn Timing buffered disk reads:  194 MB in  3.02 seconds =  64.25 MB/sec
[13:51] <Skywise> thats cool if you never go outside the cache
[13:52] <Skywise> you'd be better off using ssd
[13:52] <Skywise> but don't use ssd in a raid
[13:52] <Azeotrope> futui
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[13:53] <Skywise> ssd essentially has  its own internal raid and crap it does for wear leveling and errors
[13:53] <Azeotrope> how do i config X?
[13:53] <Skywise> putting in an array defeats thos things
[13:53] <Skywise> xf86Config or something like that
[13:54] <ALVAN> Azeotrope, numai injura configureaza acolo ca merge
[13:54] <The-Croupier> anyone knows any other  software to check see satellites :(
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[13:55] <kllr> im not really raiding anyway
[13:55] <kllr> just 4 seperate drives
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[13:55] <Skywise> jbod or lvm?
[13:55] <Skywise> The-Croupier, i'm not sure what you mean
[13:55] <matze_> Skywise: why should ssds not used in a raid ?
[13:56] <matze_> oO
[13:56] <matze_> wrong spelling sry
[13:56] <ALVAN> kllr, what raid type ?
[13:56] <kllr> no raid
[13:56] <Azeotrope> ALVAN: privmsg
[13:56] <kllr> 4 seperate drives
[13:56] <Skywise> because the way raid uses drives is counter productive with how ssds manage themselves
[13:57] <The-Croupier> Skywise:this for example http://www.lyngsat.com/ew2.html
[13:57] <kllr> Skywise: i dont have ssd anyway
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[13:57] <Skywise> kllr, yeah, i'm just talking academically
[13:57] <Skywise> The-Croupier, you want a look angle calculator?
[13:58] <Mel-nix> 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye
[13:58] <Mel-nix> therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
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[13:58] <Skywise> that sounds like a really bad idea
[13:59] <The-Croupier> Skywise: yep, angle calculator  first ;) and some software to connect to the box i have at  home..
[13:59] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: xorgsetup
[13:59] <Skywise> The-Croupier, what are you trying to do? manage a motor or something?
[14:01] <The-Croupier> Skywise: im trying to  connect to the satellite box (digital tv box) i have at home, see some kind of grade calculator to  get  eutelsat,hotbird satelites and see what  channels i can see
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[14:02] <Skywise> The-Croupier, are you trying to get a channel list as you tune a sat?
[14:02] <The-Croupier> Skywise: yes
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[14:03] <The-Croupier> gonna try  something  brb
[14:03] <Skywise> The-Croupier, theres an easier way, you need to use a plugin for reading the NIT and it should list the channels and their freqs for you automatically
[14:04] <The-Croupier> Skywise: hmmm...dont get it..any howtos  online?
[14:04] <The-Croupier> anything i can read on the matter?
[14:04] <Skywise> it won't work on wildfeeds, those always have to get scanned
[14:04] <Skywise> The-Croupier, oh man theres plenty of forums, you should look in a forum dedicated for your software
[14:04] <Skywise> so you can get specific advice
[14:05] <The-Croupier> Skywise:  i see... let me check  what exact software i got..and see what  i can get  out of there
[14:05] <Skywise> but the NIT is basically a sat's table of contents
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[14:05] <The-Croupier> Skywise: i see...do  you know of  any software that could  connect me to the box from slackware?
[14:05] <Skywise> The-Croupier, modern software doesn't need to scan for channel lists based on transponders
[14:05] <The-Croupier> minicom? anything
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[14:06] <raendeer> my monitor is detected wrong and the image is off center.. how can I shift it to the right by about 30 pixels? xrandr --output default --pos 30x0 isn't doing anything
[14:06] <Skywise> The-Croupier, no not specifically, there are some boxes that have network interfaces and allow logging in, but thats not universal
[14:06] <The-Croupier> Skywise: i see...:( need to  check this more...
[14:06] <The-Croupier> Skywise: mine has a network interface as well...but i dont know which it is :(
[14:06] <The-Croupier> ill try to  find out now ;)
[14:07] <Skywise> yeah i'm sure you could telnet to it
[14:07] <Skywise> look on your router for addresses its allocated
[14:07] <Skywise> or your dhcp server
[14:07] <The-Croupier> yep...ill do it right now ;)
[14:07] <Skywise> however you have you network setup
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[14:09] <Azeotrope> ALVAN: priv again
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[14:11] <The-Croupier> i think i got an ip for  it ;)
[14:12] <Kaapa> anyone knows any prog / utility that uploads a screenshot to some hosting service?
[14:12] <Skywise> if you have access to the box, i'm sure its in one of its setup menu's as well
[14:12] <The-Croupier> Skywise: connection refused :(
[14:12] <Skywise> kaapa, for tech support or something?
[14:12] <Skywise> The-Croupier, can you ping it?
[14:12] <The-Croupier> ill have to check some more ;)
[14:13] <Kaapa> Skywise: well, not professional use - it's just useful
[14:13] <The-Croupier> yep i can ping it ;)
[14:13] <Kaapa> just to prevent screenshot -> save to disk -> upload to imageshack -> get url -> paste
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[14:13] <Skywise> Kaapa, you're best just putting together a little shell script with an icon on the desktop
[14:13] <Skywise> oh
[14:14] <Kaapa> I'm pretty sure something like this exists - it's a pretty standard requirement
[14:14] <Kaapa> just asking
[14:14] <Skywise> thats pretty fancy, and involves several apps
[14:14] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Are all problems solved now?
[14:14] <Skywise> well, i think it would more likely be a module for your irc client
[14:14] <Skywise> you could prolly tiny url the link as well
[14:14] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: no... the 2.6.33 kernel made some strange lines on the screen
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[14:15] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: At which point? Is X running now?
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[14:16] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: during the boot. and it halted so for 5 sec than blank screen
[14:16] <Azeotrope> I don't have X now
[14:16] <Skywise> i wouldn't consider that normal
[14:16] <The-Croupier> hmmm...seems that i cannot connect to it for some reason :(
[14:16] <Skywise> The-Croupier, check the onscreen setup for that device
[14:17] <The-Croupier> Skywise: what do  you mean
[14:18] <Skywise> The-Croupier, the box is hooked up to a tv right? there should be some on-screen setup you can access with the remote control
[14:18] <The-Croupier> ill go and see if there are any preferences..or exceptions i can put
[14:18] <The-Croupier> Skywise: yep, that is right..ill go an check ;)
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[14:19] <Tusk> <Skywise> well, i think it would more likely be a module for your irc client << ah gives me an idea for a new xchat plugin
[14:19] <Tusk> :P
[14:19] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: when i startx i get "NVIDIA cannot open /dev/nvidiactl. Failed to initialize nvidia kernel modules. Screens found but no usable configuration. Fatal server error: no screens found.
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[14:19] <Skywise> Tusk, just make sure to share the royalties
[14:20] <Tusk> Azeotrope: modprobe nvidia
[14:20] <Tusk> Skywise: will be under BSD licence, feel free to make business out of it :P
[14:20] <Azeotrope> Tusk: did that
[14:20] <Tusk> oh
[14:20] <Skywise> Tusk, that would entail me having to do something
[14:20] <hackedhead> .. does "PCTSU" mean anything to anyone?
[14:21] <Skywise> nope
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[14:22] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Have you upgraded to `-current'? Many things (including Xorg and xf86-nv-* etc.) has been updated.
[14:22] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: i'm noob. if i upgrade to -current i might screw it
[14:22] <matze_> the myrinet card doesnt etablish a link :/ looks like its gone.. some times its even not recognized :/
[14:22] <matze_> argh wrong tty
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[14:23] <Tusk> Skywise: yeah you lazy!
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[14:23] <Tusk> did i already say it ? How happy i am being back on slackware
[14:23] <Skywise> Tusk, i'm an engineer, thats an essential trait
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[14:26] <Azeotrope> i tried xorgconfig as root and said: Only root can configure X.
[14:26] <Skywise> i bet you weren't logged in as root
[14:27] <init[1]> Azeotrope: you might have used 'su' instead of 'su -' ?
[14:27] <Skywise> after you configure x as root, you can then use it as a user
[14:28] <Skywise> but just imagine what it would like if users could change x configs...
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[14:28] <matze_> the new way of Xorg configuration sucks ...
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[14:31] <matze_> brb - testing mosix kernel ...
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[14:31] <thrice`> what sucks, the fact that you don't have to do anything?
[14:31] <Skywise> and it works?
[14:32] <Tusk> Skywise: ^^
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[14:36] <Kaapa> anyone has a shutter slackbuild/
[14:36] <Kaapa> ?
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[14:36] <Azeotrope> ok, i started X11 but my screen is not composited. I have no kwin effects
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[14:37] <thrice`> what happens if you turn them on?
[14:37] <Azeotrope> how?
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[14:38] <matze> re
[14:38] <Azeotrope> thrice`: it sais they're on
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[14:38] <thrice`> it says compositing is on, but you say it's not?  I trust KDE over you
[14:40] <Azeotrope> no, i don't have effects but in System settings i can see Enable effects
[14:41] <thrice`> try to toggle it on and off?
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[14:42] <Azeotrope> yes. i tried xrender (i had opengl) and now effects are very slow
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[14:43] <Azeotrope> if i toggle back to opengl sais it can't do it with the present config
[14:43] <Azeotrope> and check my X config
[14:44] <macavity> which graphics chip is that again?
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[14:44] <Azeotrope> nvidia
[14:45] <macavity> and you are using which driver?
[14:45] <macavity> and which version of slackware?
[14:46] <macavity> if you are using the stock delivered nv driver you wont get composite.. period..
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[14:46] <macavity> if you use teh proprietary blob from nvidia.com, please consider usign the slackbuilds.org version
[14:46] <Azeotrope> so i have to use the slackbuild drivers?
[14:47] <kllr> jeev: http://i40.tinypic.com/k2eb2x.jpg http://i41.tinypic.com/rsudjc.jpg
[14:47] <matze> hm i use stock nvidia and have no problems at all
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[14:47] <macavity> matze: nv or nvidia?
[14:47] <matze> nvidia
[14:48] <macavity> if you just ran the installer you clubbered mesa
[14:48] <macavity> that is why i reccomend slackbuilds.org
[14:48] <Azeotrope> SO, what should i do?
[14:48] <matze> good to know :)
[14:48] <kllr> fix nvidia glx?
[14:48] <kllr> reinstall mesa?
[14:48] <Azeotrope> how do i uninstall this version of nvidia drives?
[14:49] <macavity> Azeotrope: you could start telling me which driver you currently use... as i asked
[14:49] <macavity> kllr: if you blindly reinstall mesa you kill the nvidia driver :P
[14:50] <Azeotrope> macavity: NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-190.53-pkg2.run
[14:50] <matze> there is a nvidia uninstall script for properitär driver
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[14:50] <kllr> sh NVIDA.run --uninstall ?
[14:50] <macavity> kllr++
[14:50] <matze> that was it :)
[14:50] <kllr> nvidia-uninstall
[14:50] <kllr> either or
[14:50] <macavity> Azeotrope: and then go to slackbuilds.org/howto/ to learn how to build and use a slackbuild
[14:50] <Camarade_Tux> nouveau \o/  although, it's not exactly simple to set up
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[14:51] <jorgegr> hi all
[14:51] <kllr> macavity: what do you do when you recompile your kernel?
[14:51] <macavity> kllr: the "hand job" method :P
[14:51] <Azeotrope> macavity: i know how to use one. why i have to build it?
[14:52] <kllr> Azeotrope: why didnt your nvidia work?
[14:52] <jorgegr> i would like to install openerp to slackware x86_64 can i do tha or i have problem ??
[14:52] <macavity> Azeotrope: because i know that the slackbuilds.org version matches 13.0 and dont break you box
[14:53] <Azeotrope> kllr: i don't know
[14:53] <macavity> Azeotrope: if opengl with nvidia is broken, then you know for *sure* that the install is fubar
[14:53] <macavity> and i assure you that the binary blob can handle KDE composite with OpenGL
[14:53] <macavity> and has been able to do so for ages
[14:53] <kllr> probably isnt using nvidia and probably didnt check the logs
[14:54] <macavity> Azeotrope: you DID specify Driver "nvidia" manually in xorg.conf, *right*???
[14:54] <Azeotrope> macavity: uhm
[14:54] <Azeotrope> no
[14:54] <kllr> i told him to
[14:54] <macavity> >_<
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[14:55] <Azeotrope> can't fucking believe it
[14:55] <kllr> Section "Device"      Identifier     "DERP"       Driver         "nvidia"   EndSection
[14:55] <Azeotrope> dude, i was chrooting and had only one tty
[14:55] <kllr> screen?
[14:56] <kllr> guess you dont know how to work screen
[14:56] <kllr> why are you chrooting.
[14:56] <Azeotrope> because i wasn't able to load that fucking kernels
[14:56] <Azeotrope> now i'm not chrooting
[14:57] <kllr> k
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[14:58] <kllr> one of those, make an account and open ssh port (then explain that for 3 hours), cases
[15:01] <kllr> macavity: come back
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[15:02] <kllr> it was because he told nvidia not to edit the config file haha cuz he wanted to do it manually
[15:03] <macavity> lol
[15:04] <mancha> is this still the same discussion i left 4 hours ago?
[15:04] <agentc0re> macavity: how does mesa get clobbered by the nvida installer versus the SBo?
[15:04] <alisonken1home> kllr, you missed the fun over the last couple of day about him wanting to turn his desktop into a router for his laptop, but kept saying "No, I just want my desktop to share the wired network with the laptop"
[15:04] <macavity> i have made a note about not stating to help him again... unless i know i have lots of time on my hands
[15:04] <macavity> agentc0re: nvidia overwrites /usr/lib/libGLU.so
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[15:04] <macavity> agentc0re: SBo renames it and provides a switch-script so you can set it back and forth
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[15:05] <kllr> alisonken1home: so he wanted to setup an AP?
[15:05] <macavity> agentc0re: iirc nvidia also pwns the hell out of all the header files...
[15:05] <Camarade_Tux> alisonken1home: not days, weeks...
[15:06] <The-Croupier> Skywise: ping
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[15:06] <kllr> macavity: --no-opengl-headers
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[15:07] <kllr> DO NOT LICK SCREEN
[15:07] <kllr> pl0x
[15:08] <kllr> what kind of fun stuff can i do with linux today
[15:08] <alisonken1home> Camarade_Tux, ok - weeks, then. I know he's been on and off for a while, I've only been trying to help for a couple of days
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[15:08] <macavity> kllr: iirc that will cause lots of stuff to fail when you compile from scratch
[15:08] <Camarade_Tux> but with something different each week (except for trying to install kde3 apps on kde4)
[15:09] <mancha> maybe they're carefully planned trolls?
[15:09] <macavity> but i am not 100% sure.. its been many years since i used nvidia's binary crap
[15:09] <mancha> i mean no one has so many crapfests in linux week after week
[15:09] <kllr> mancha: excluding yourself!
[15:10] <ALVAN> mancha, :) is just a young one who likes to get it all running fast
[15:10] <mancha> alvan, this is his behavior for months and months, check the logs  :)
[15:11] <kllr> doesnt know how to solve problems
[15:11] <kllr> was he raised on ubuntu?
[15:11] <The-Croupier> is there  a  way to log in anybox...if it has an ipaddress?  or get information about it?
[15:12] <mancha> use mancha's secret connection client
[15:12] <matze> ubuntu is an ancient african word that means i can`t configure debian :>
[15:12] <eviljames> hah.
[15:12] <mancha> it'll connect to any box, even those not on the internet and those powered down. the only one it can't connect to is chuck norris' home machine.
[15:12] <The-Croupier> matze: lier..:p
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[15:12] <eviljames> matze: I'm going to quote you on that regularly :P
[15:13] <The-Croupier> mancha: then its not nice ...i cannot live  without  connecting to chuch norris' home machine :(
[15:13] <mancha> i expect version 2 will be able to
[15:13] <kllr> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ubuntu
[15:13] <The-Croupier> mancha: its a box i can ping, powered on, connected to my switch,  with ip 192.168.3.2
[15:14] <eviljames> The-Croupier: nmap it?
[15:14] <The-Croupier> eviljames: already did
[15:14] <mancha> if it is on _your_ switch you have to know what it is
[15:14] <The-Croupier> the bastard  says...all ports  closed :(
[15:14] <ALVAN> mancha,  lets give him something to  read  ... i feel he likes to do many but no reading
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[15:14] <alisonken1home> The-Croupier, then you have to break out the hammer and open one of the doors
[15:15] <The-Croupier> alisonken1home: that would be fantastic
[15:15] <kllr> Ubuntu: The removal of all objectivity, usefulness, and ability from the most useful operating system ever designed.  The primary cause of a lack of knowledge of the operating system that is actually running.
[15:15] <The-Croupier> ALVAN: i love reading ;)
[15:15] <The-Croupier> kllr: is there a purpose for your definitions on ubuntu? we are not  going to use it whatever you do/say :p
[15:16] <kllr> its from urban dictionary
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[15:16] <The-Croupier> brb
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[15:16] <alisonken1home> the _real_ definition of ubuntu is "I can't install slackware because I can't point and click"
[15:16] <kllr> Ubuntu: an exclamation that shows your fustration with in a certain momentof time. like the linux program, ubuntu is fustrating and makes no sence at all..... screamed aloud it is best used to let some one know what an idiot they are.
[15:16] <matze> ;) i use slackware since version 3.5 ~ 1998
[15:17] <_nmap> hi, i just installed slackware  13 on my laptop but in kde my touch pad (mouse) is not working, what i have to do to configure it?
[15:17] <matze> its still the best linux distribution avaible
[15:17] <kllr> A linux distribution for people that fail at life.nNoob: I finally installed Linux, does that make my uber leet?nLinux Guru: What distro?nNoob: Ubuntu...nLinux Guru: You suck assballs
[15:18] <ALVAN> kllr, ubuntu is the first step to linux, so i say is ok over windows  and easier, usually people with virus problem switch fast to ubuntu :)
[15:18] <matze> who cares... ubuntu isnt that bad, i installed it some friends
[15:18] <kllr> ubuntu is a memevirus
[15:18] <kllr> _nmap: su to root
[15:18] <matze> better then installing every half year windows..
[15:19] <kllr> _nmap: type cat /dev/input/mice
[15:19] <kllr> _nmap: move your touchepad around and see if it is recieving any data
[15:19] <kllr> if it is, thats good and a good first test
[15:19] <_nmap> kllr, there's some way to kill kde without reset laptop?
[15:20] <kllr> are you runlevel 4?
[15:20] <Necos> hmmm, random thought... anyone have suggestions for a very basic forum package?
[15:20] <kllr> you cant logout???
[15:20] <kllr> _nmap: oh right no mouse...durr, u ctrl + alt + backspace
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[15:21] <_nmap> kllr, i will try the cat comando, hold on.
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[15:22] <macavity> _nmap: alt-crtl-backspace zaps X in case you need it (it does *NOT* save before the big poof)
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[15:22] <CatCommando> macavity: no one cares about your mundane details!
[15:24] <_nmap> CatCommando, yeah i receive a lot of strange chars with cat /dev/input/mice
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[15:25] <matze> the endless kernel build continues ... need setup distcc..
[15:26] <CatCommando> _nmap: ok check the input section of xorg.conf
[15:27] <CatCommando> _nmap: probably as easy as changing to PS/2 and Buttons 2 and Device /dev/input/mice
[15:27] <CatCommando> that way if you plugin a usb mouse it will work too
[15:27] <alisonken1home> if it's a touchpad there's a few more steps needed
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[15:27] <alisonken1home> but it's past my bedtime
[15:28] <CatCommando> _nmap: search for xorg touchpad also i guess, i hate laptops
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[15:28] <CatCommando> probably gotta set the resolution or something for the pad
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[15:30] <CatCommando> wtf, 99$ linux thingy...with OpenWRT????!  http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Qi-Hardware-Ben-NanoNote/
[15:31] <Necos> oh, you saw that on slashdot?
[15:31] <CatCommando> no
[15:32] <Alan_Hicks> CatCommando: Ewwww... I don't like that keyboard at all.
[15:32] <CatCommando> openwrt.......NEIN
[15:32] <CatCommando> im sure you can install other stuff...but wth
[15:32] <CatCommando> Necos: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/begvj/99_linux_netbook_goes_on_sale/
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[15:34] <trhodes> the nanonote reminds me of a "zipit z2"
[15:34] <gammalyrae> taken from reddit comments:"no built in ethernet or wifi?"
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[15:36] <CatCommando> gammalyrae: lol....WTFFF
[15:36] <gammalyrae> for 99$ i'd prefer guruplug anyway
[15:36] <matze> the Sharp Q5 is cheap too 129$ and runs ubuntu linux :)
[15:37] <matze> but isnt suitable for video playback :/
[15:37] <matze> s/suitable/useable ..
[15:37] <CatCommando> link or die
[15:37] <matze> umpcportal.com has a review
[15:40] <CatCommando> bwahaha  http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/5089/connect-back-shell-using-bash-built-ins
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[15:43] <acidchild> reverse shells
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[15:44] <acidchild> old school
[15:44] <macius> hey is there any good tools to resize a ext3 partition with slackware? i tried the gparted slackbuild although its showing all my partitions as type unknown :S
[15:45] <ALVAN> what`s wrong using resize2fs ?
[15:45] <CatCommando> DESCRIPTIONn       The resize2fs program will resize ext2, ext3, or ext4 file systems.
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[15:47] <Necos> hey nix_chix0r
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[15:49] <nix_chix0r> hi Necos
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[15:59] <Necos> damn, i gotta get a forum up for the parents here at the school, and i can't think of a forum software to use >.<;
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[15:59] <eviljames> Necos: phpbb?
[15:59] <Necos> i JUST thought of that lol
[15:59] <CatCommando> .........
[16:00] <CatCommando> phpbb isnt very great though
[16:00] <matze> yabb ?
[16:00] <Necos> i don't care about greatness... i just need something that's quick to setup
[16:00] <CatCommando> how long will it be up
[16:01] <CatCommando> long enough for me to exploit it?
[16:01] <Necos> 2 weeks, then it comes down
[16:01] <CatCommando> excellent, excellent
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[16:04] <CatCommando> haha export PS1="\[\e[01;32m\]\u@\h \[\e[01;34m\]\W \`if [ \$? = 0 ]; then echo -e '\e[01;32m:)'; else echo -e '\e[01;31m:('; fi\` \[\e[01;34m\]$\[\e[00m\] "
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[16:10] <monstro> how to update firefox 3.04 in slackware 12.2 ?
[16:11] <monstro> ?
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[16:12] <BP{k}> monstro: upgradepkg?
[16:13] <monstro> BP{k}, where I find the update to firefox ?
[16:13] <BP{k}> monstro: or use slackpkg.
[16:13] <BP{k}> monstro: on a mirror carrying slackware-12.2 of course.
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[16:15] <SunTzu> yay to me; bought a wifi card for box (10$) AND got the lappy hd pulled out to connect to bigbox to install linux!
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[16:16] <XGizzmo> damn BP{k} you broke freenode.
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[16:16] <SunTzu> yay to me; bought a wifi card for box (10$) AND got the lappy hd pulled out to connect to bigbox to install linux!
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[16:20] <matze> good bye :)
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[16:20] <matze> time to try some stuff on mosix :)
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[16:23] <BP{k}> XGizzmo: sorry, I need the powercord for a cup of coffee ;)
[16:23] <XGizzmo> coffee at this time if night?
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[16:24] <SunTzu> from midnight to noon: high-test; from noon to midnight: decafe.
[16:25] <eviljames> It's only 1:30PM, and I'm only on my 2nd cup of coffee today...
[16:25] Action: eviljames <- needs to pick up the pace.
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[16:25] <trhodes> 3PM here, and only one for me (!)
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[16:26] <SunTzu> amateur
[16:26] <trhodes> haha, it explains the headache :P
[16:26] <eviljames> 3pm.. what kind of f-d up time zone are you in?
[16:26] <trhodes> ok, 3:26
[16:26] <SunTzu> 16.5h here
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[16:28] <klaasvakie> 22.5 here
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[16:28] <klaasvakie> gmt+2 ftw
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[16:28] <SunTzu> Mars-1000h+3
[16:29] <SunTzu> we do things in trits here
[16:29] <SunTzu> the +3 is MARS.TZ
[16:29] <SunTzu> a zone
[16:29] <klaasvakie> sounds fantastic, you have a watch that keeps it?
[16:29] <SunTzu> sure
[16:29] <trhodes> does that watch run linux ? :P
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[16:30] <SunTzu> cp/m. uncomplicated
[16:30] <SunTzu> we do everything in threes
[16:30] <XGizzmo> it's 1269030538 here.
[16:30] <amazon10x> so i was doing a `dd if=/dev/sda of=backup.img` on my netbook. halfway through i mounted one of the /dev/sda partition and copied a small file from it. did i possible create integrity issues?
[16:30] <SunTzu> nop
[16:30] <eviljames> not likely.
[16:30] <SunTzu> as long as you did it correctly
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[16:30] <amazon10x> the drive was mounted fuseblk (rw, allow_other,blksize=4096)
[16:31] <klaasvakie> amazon10x,  dont think so, all you did was read
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[16:31] <amazon10x> okay cool
[16:31] <eviljames> ermm. if you were only copying from, why mount rw?
[16:31] <SunTzu> yea
[16:31] <amazon10x> wasn't thinking
[16:31] <eviljames> ah, gotcha.
[16:31] <SunTzu> ah there's the prob
[16:31] <amazon10x> haha
[16:31] <SunTzu> PBCAK
[16:31] <amazon10x> well, i'm gonna nuke the drive now. we'll find out if the backup worked in two weeks when i get the laptop back
[16:32] <SunTzu> HEH
[16:32] <amazon10x> is `dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda` sufficient to destroy all of my presidential assassination plans?
[16:32] <SunTzu> maybe
[16:32] <amazon10x> i wonder if /dev/urandom would be much slower
[16:32] <raph0x88> auhuhauha
[16:32] <trhodes> should be
[16:33] <SunTzu> alignment issews maybe
[16:33] <klaasvakie> amazon10x, urandom is much slower
[16:33] <gammalyrae> way slower
[16:33] <amazon10x> oh ok. zero it is then
[16:33] <trhodes> it's a SSD ?
[16:33] <amazon10x> nah
[16:33] <amazon10x> 160GB sata or something
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[16:33] <trhodes> ok
[16:34] <SunTzu> amazon10x if you can focus the secure-rm to the actual plans, it'll be faster
[16:34] <SunTzu> linux bins arent ...
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[16:34] <SunTzu> also swap if you got it
[16:34] <amazon10x> i'm gonna hit the whole disk
[16:34] <SunTzu> why?
[16:35] <SunTzu> you can optimise the secrm
[16:35] <amazon10x> oh
[16:35] <XGizzmo> thermite ftw
[16:35] <amazon10x> i don't really have anything in particular to hide
[16:35] <amazon10x> i just need the whole disk nuked
[16:35] <SunTzu> why?
[16:35] <trhodes> because he's not going to have it for a while
[16:35] <amazon10x> sending in for repiar
[16:35] <amazon10x> and don't wanna disassemble the netbook to get the actual drive out
[16:35] <trhodes> (interrogation)
[16:35] <SunTzu> so what? just wipe out the speeshul stuff
[16:36] <XGizzmo> trhodes: it mnore than likely is just under the keyboard.
[16:36] <amazon10x> that's the thing, there is no special stuff. my home folder has 80 gigs of random stuff, then there's other stuff in ranodm places. just gonna nuke it all then restore when it gets back
[16:36] <SunTzu> seriously, that's too much effort to kill plain binaries
[16:36] <SunTzu> fine, breack a back :)
[16:36] <SunTzu> break
[16:37] <SunTzu> amazon10x clearly, you dint think this through :)
[16:37] <amazon10x> haha, not really
[16:37] <SunTzu> :)
[16:37] <trhodes> it'll work OK tho
[16:37] <amazon10x> alright. zeroes are going. time to go for a ride
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[16:37] <SunTzu> gn
[16:37] <amazon10x> weather is too nice for irc
[16:37] <trhodes> i'm out in the weather :)
[16:38] <amazon10x> joining us via an android phone or something?
[16:38] <trhodes> naw, laptop outside
[16:38] <SunTzu> yay; bought a wifi card for box (10$) AND got the lappy hd pulled out to connect to bigbox to install linux!
[16:38] <SunTzu> i want my duly-deserved yay
[16:38] <SunTzu> !
[16:38] <trhodes> yay
[16:38] <SunTzu> tyvm
[16:38] <XGizzmo> what took so long?
[16:39] <SunTzu> what long?
[16:39] <CatCommando> didnt deserve that yay
[16:39] <trhodes> haha
[16:39] <trhodes> CatCommando: nice PS1 :)
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[16:39] <XGizzmo> battery is dead g2g
[16:39] <SunTzu> gn
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[16:40] <CatCommando> trhodes: no u :(
[16:40] <trhodes> haha
[16:40] <CatCommando> false
[16:40] <CatCommando> true
[16:41] <SunTzu> i found a silver quarter in my pocket yesterday; it's worth 8$
[16:41] <CatCommando> 8 dollars?
[16:42] <SunTzu> yep
[16:42] <CatCommando> what year
[16:42] <SunTzu> '64
[16:42] <CatCommando> quarter?
[16:42] <SunTzu> .25
[16:42] <CatCommando> kennedy head half dollar you mean?
[16:42] <SunTzu> .25
[16:42] <CatCommando> 8$?
[16:42] <CatCommando> yeah right
[16:43] <SunTzu> ok; you're right. it's a cladestein token of the evil empire.
[16:43] <CatCommando> i have a bag of 90% silver half dollars
[16:43] <SunTzu> :)
[16:43] <SunTzu> NICE
[16:43] <macavity> i have a DDK 0.10 which is worth about DDK 700
[16:43] <SunTzu> i'd repackage them
[16:43] <macavity> its from 1927
[16:43] <CatCommando> each isnt even worth 8 dollars probably
[16:44] <macavity> 700/5.5 = value in $
[16:44] <CatCommando> all 1964 or older
[16:44] <trhodes> macavity: nice
[16:44] <SunTzu> repkg them
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[16:44] <CatCommando> ?
[16:44] <macavity> trhodes: i figured that if i hold on to it and my great great great grand kids sell it it will be worth a small fortune :P
[16:44] <SunTzu> if a 50 cent piece is worth 5$ that's still a 100% ROI
[16:45] <CatCommando> macavity: s/small fortune/loaf of bread/
[16:45] <CatCommando> nah i bought them at bullion rates
[16:45] <SunTzu> spot silver markte is ~17$ now
[16:45] <CatCommando> you can go to the bank and get crap loads of half dollars and pick out the silver ones
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[16:46] <CatCommando> i knew a jew that used to do that
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[16:46] <SunTzu> kitco.com says 16.98$ today, down .41
[16:46] <SunTzu> a few mins ago
[16:46] <SunTzu> CatCommando just walk in and ask?
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[16:46] <CatCommando> SunTzu: ive never tried it, but yeah
[16:47] <SunTzu> i wanna try that to
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[16:47] <CatCommando> most of them will be worthless 0.50 im sure
[16:47] <SunTzu> what about rerolling?
[16:47] <SunTzu> nods
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[16:47] <CatCommando> wtf is repackaging and rerolling
[16:47] <SunTzu> gold spot at 1106$
[16:47] <macavity> CatCommando: do i know you?
[16:47] <SunTzu> into the roll paper containers
[16:48] <CatCommando> macavity: who wants to know
[16:48] <SunTzu> by repkging, i mean to prevent further scratching
[16:48] <trhodes> macavity: CatCommando a/k/a kllr
[16:48] <CatCommando> meh
[16:49] <CatCommando> i have a few books of quarters
[16:49] <SunTzu> spend the clad, save the silver
[16:49] <SunTzu> unless they're gem/bu
[16:50] <CatCommando> i have 100 ounces of silver :D
[16:50] <SunTzu> local coiner at the flea has gem/bu silver eagles for 24$
[16:50] <SunTzu> nice
[16:50] <macavity> eeing that you have been spewing flamebaits at me the last three consecutive times you have spoken to me, yes, i want to know if you are some grudge carrying asshat i offended long ago (and thus need to re-apply to my permanent ignore list), or if you are gennerally just a one of the intelectual midgets who think that its cool to be hostile (in which case the ignore list part still applies)
[16:50] <macavity> CatCommando: ^^
[16:50] <SunTzu> he's been polite to me thus far
[16:51] <CatCommando> macavity: are you bipolar?
[16:51] <macavity> SunTzu: that is why i ask
[16:51] <SunTzu> CatCommando dont go there
[16:51] <SunTzu> nods
[16:51] <SunTzu> that's too personal a q
[16:51] <macavity> CatCommando: do you like to hump your ham sandwich before you eat it?
[16:51] <SunTzu> anyway, i'm seriously thinking of buying coins for store of value
[16:51] <SunTzu> lol
[16:52] <CatCommando> macavity: i dont eat ham
[16:52] <SunTzu> messianic?
[16:52] <SunTzu> or older?
[16:52] <SunTzu> :)
[16:52] <macavity> anyhow... ignore list it is
[16:52] <SunTzu> 3 stones, two posts.
[16:52] <SunTzu> macavity he dint qualify for that yet :)
[16:53] <CatCommando> i think he is just retarded
[16:53] <CatCommando> ignore him
[16:53] <SunTzu> 1-1 (you both asked about mental disabilities :) conclusion undetermined
[16:53] <SunTzu> lol
[16:53] <SunTzu> cmon, play right!
[16:54] <CatCommando> apparently saying his thuper thpecial coin may be worth a loaf of bread to his great great grand children is a MAJOR INSULT
[16:54] <SunTzu> platinum 1600$, paladium 465$
[16:54] <SunTzu> doesnt count as such Cat :)
[16:54] <CatCommando> :D
[16:54] <SunTzu> rhodium 2370$
[16:55] <CatCommando> silver is crap
[16:55] <SunTzu> it's cheap, pre-minted and easy to transfer.
[16:55] <macavity> SunTzu: it started way earlier.. i generally get fed up with acid spewers in no time.. some five years here has tought me that
[16:55] <CatCommando> untaxed
[16:55] <SunTzu> macavity heh
[16:55] <Ratrophy> how much is naquadah
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[16:55] <SunTzu> macavity oh ye of little stomach acid. :)
[16:55] <SunTzu> duno naqadah
[16:56] <CatCommando> SunTzu: he is very thenthetive..........
[16:56] <SunTzu> nah, que duh
[16:56] <trhodes> naquadah|yepenbeu
[16:56] <CatCommando> fakeword|asdfjaerj34
[16:56] <SunTzu> CatCommando pseudo-lithp error; lacking parentesis
[16:57] <CatCommando> parethethithsssssss
[16:57] <CatCommando> i did ti mommy, my etheths!
[16:57] <SunTzu> djia -37 today
[16:57] <SunTzu> nas -17
[16:57] <CatCommando> fake numbers
[16:58] <SunTzu> how so?
[16:58] <mancha2> i'm glad i'm in ##slackware, where else would i get my unrequested stock mkt updates and my dose of inane shit discussion?
[16:58] <CatCommando> lets pump it full of debt!
[16:58] <SunTzu> i know
[16:58] <Ratrophy> mancha2, no kidding
[16:58] <SunTzu> mancha2 if you dont knwo, you cant argue :)
[16:58] <CatCommando> SunTzu: fed reserves site says they want a zero-reserve model
[16:59] <SunTzu> i'm not surprised
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[16:59] <CatCommando> rhetorical question: how the hell did people ever fall for the scam of paper money
[17:00] <SunTzu> well, the fed act was voted on dec 23rd or 24th; literally while most elected were out of town
[17:00] <SunTzu> no quorum
[17:00] <CatCommando> s/paper/fiat paper/
[17:00] <Ratrophy> mancha2, back in 2004 someone asked on a forum "Who knows of a Slackare irc channel?"  yes, Slackare, and the reply "Hi, try #slackware on irc.freenode.net. there's always a tone of helpful guys. Hope that helps, Zargun."  and now in 2010.......
[17:00] <Ratrophy> tada!
[17:01] <CatCommando> Ratrophy: inane discussion abound!
[17:01] <SunTzu> then, by not publishing the text to the general public, no one saw the clause stating that there was a 20 time period for objection that no one invoked
[17:01] <Ratrophy> yep
[17:01] <CatCommando> SunTzu: there is still a buyout clause
[17:01] <SunTzu> yep
[17:01] <CatCommando> pay back the fed the original 1 billion or 1 million or whatever and all the rest disintegrates
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[17:02] <SunTzu> yea but would they accept it?
[17:02] <CatCommando> not their paper money
[17:02] <mancha2> isn't there a way to request (or force) this offtopic discussion to cease?
[17:02] <CatCommando> mancha2: /quit
[17:02] <SunTzu> if you have a suitable query, post it
[17:02] <trhodes> or move to offtopic
[17:03] <CatCommando> yeah cuz i want to stare at part/join messages
[17:03] <CatCommando> GOOD LOGIC BRO
[17:03] <trhodes> hell, this is msg banter
[17:05] <mancha2> CatCommando so let me get this right, your suggestion is that, if i tire of non-slackware (even non-linux) talk here by two folks who've decided to make place their own little playgound, that the answer is for me to /quit  ?
[17:05] <mancha2> did i grok your logic correctly?
[17:05] <CatCommando> s/\/quit/stfu/
[17:05] <SunTzu> mancha2 why are you responding to a troll? :)
[17:06] <CatCommando> throwin labels around is fun
[17:06] <CatCommando> i learned that in highschool
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[17:07] <Alan_Hicks> CatCommando: Take it to the off-topic channel.
[17:08] <_nmap> My laptop touchpad mouse works fine on "prompt mode" but does not on kde! There's any file so i can copy the configuration of "prompt mode" to xorg.conf?  I tried everything in my xorg.conf but still with no mouse
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[17:08] <brokedown> what is prompt mode?
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[17:08] <CatCommando> brokedown: cat /dev/input/mice
[17:08] <CatCommando> or gpm
[17:09] <CatCommando> _nmap: read the xorg log file
[17:09] <Azeotrope> I installed 2.6.29.6 kernel and latest nvidia-drivers and right after the X11 starting line my screen get blank. Blanck with a top left cursor.
[17:10] <Azeotrope> Now I am chrooted in my system from a slackware dvd. please help
[17:10] <CatCommando> Azeotrope: post your xorg.conf
[17:10] <CatCommando> oh god chroot again? why
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[17:10] <James____> i got awus050NH usb adapter here. Loaded latest compat-wireless-2.6.tar.bz2 driver. In wicd I see my 5 ghz routers in airodump-ng -c 36 or airodump-ng -b a I dont see them anyone can help?
[17:10] <Azeotrope> CatCommando: i can't post,
[17:10] <trhodes> (that's why he's here as root)
[17:11] <Alan_Hicks> Where's slackboy when ya need him?
[17:11] <CatCommando> Alan_Hicks: no one needs that pos
[17:11] <trhodes> to play devil's advocate, he probably needs some remedial help :P
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[17:12] <CatCommando> haha
[17:12] <trhodes> fair enough, i doubt he can use GNU screen
[17:12] <CatCommando> i told him about screen earlier
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[17:12] <trhodes> that + lynx would get hes configs available
[17:12] <trhodes> yeah, i thought I saw that a while back
[17:12] <CatCommando> but yeah, no chance
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[17:13] <Skywise> he doesn't understand privs
[17:13] <Skywise> its been a issue trying to help him the whole day
[17:13] <CatCommando> well that guy who has been annoying macavity for weeks will finally be banned
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[17:13] <trhodes> i almost feel sorry for him
[17:14] <CatCommando> its sad cuz all he had to do in the first place was let nvidia modify the file
[17:14] <trhodes> dang
[17:14] <CatCommando> but he says no and then runs around in circles for weeks
[17:14] <Skywise> yea
[17:14] <Skywise> its been hard to watch
[17:14] <trhodes> the AP saga, too
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[17:15] <abiko> Hello. Can you give few tips how to recompile the kernel on Slack 13?
[17:15] <Skywise> read alot
[17:15] <CatCommando> abiko: do what you always do
[17:16] <CatCommando> but run lilo too
[17:16] <T3slider> Go here and have fun: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding
[17:16] <trhodes> abiko: http://slackwiki.org/Kernel-packaging
[17:16] <trhodes> lots to read in them both
[17:16] <abiko> Thank you :)
[17:16] <mancha2> nick="Azeotrope";echo -e "theres no h${nick:6:3}"
[17:16] <abiko> Also, my DVD drive isn't mounted properly, dmesg shows error about xfer
[17:17] <mancha2> echo "Azeotrope" | sed -e 's/Azeotr/No h/'
[17:17] <trhodes> mancha2: nice rhyme
[17:18] <abiko> err is: ata2.00: failed to set xfermode (err_mask=0x40)
[17:18] <Alan_Hicks> abiko: That's not a mount error.
[17:19] <trhodes> abiko: some ubuntu folks say irqpoll as a boot time option helps
[17:19] <thumbs> poor Azeotrope - he'll get compromised soon.
[17:19] <abiko> Alan_Hicks: sorry for my terminoligy, bit sleepy. and typost
[17:19] <Alan_Hicks> abiko: No problem.  That's a kernel error telling you it was having trouble accessing your CD-ROM.
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[17:20] <CatCommando> id have to guess that firefox as root is far worse than irc
[17:20] <abiko> thought recompiling kernel to 2.6.32 would help :)
[17:20] <trhodes> this might melt your brain, but it's where I read that irqpoll option: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=440122
[17:20] <mancha2> there are so many local exploits that are unpatched that i fail to see how non-root is any safer
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[17:21] <trhodes> mancha: if you consider security  a function of time, then it's a little bit safer
[17:22] <thumbs> Alan_Hicks: looks like that guy didn't listen, heh.
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[17:24] <mancha> trhodes, yes, i agree with using non-root users especially on things that face the internet. but security is so complex and exploits so numerous that i long ago discarded any comfort i had in any kind of security
[17:24] <mancha> kinda cynical, i know. i apologize.
[17:24] <CatCommando> what about privacy
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[17:25] <T3slider> Security is a process, not a product. THough it is possible to exploit anything, you may as well limit your chances by avoiding really stupid things. :x
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[17:25] <CatCommando> when was the last time someone was exploited for irc'ing as root
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[17:26] <Azeotrope> Never
[17:26] <mancha> OK, i gotta say "root" is a lot better than "ubuntu". innit?
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[17:26] <trhodes> :P
[17:26] <Azeotrope> Ok. I am now in ubuntu live cd and I chrooted in my slackware install.
[17:26] Action: CatCommando shakes head
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[17:27] <Azeotrope> My problem: after the starting X11 line in bootup process, i get a black screen
[17:27] <CatCommando> you know runlevel 4 sucks right
[17:27] <Skywise> theres more then mere exploits
[17:28] <Skywise> you can get newbs to run commands from a mime encoded string that decodes to rm -rf /
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[17:28] <CatCommando> Skywise: ah
[17:28] <Skywise> and its crap like that, that really causes damage from ircing as root
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[17:28] <CatCommando> that would totally fool me
[17:28] <abiko> I've added irqpoll to the lilo.conf - line as append="irqpoll" - is that correct?
[17:28] <trhodes> sounds OK
[17:29] <CatCommando> did you reinstall lilo
[17:29] <abiko> no
[17:29] <CatCommando> type lilo
[17:29] <abiko> hmm.. 2 warnings were issued..
[17:30] <trhodes> lilo is /sbin/lilo # :P
[17:30] <CatCommando> abiko: thats fine
[17:30] <CatCommando> reboot
[17:30] <T3slider> If one is about LBA addressing you can generally ignore that. Not sure what other errors you get, depends on the setup
[17:30] <abiko> kewl :) thanks :D
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[17:30] <T3slider> *warnings
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[17:32] <CatCommando> newslacker: hello root user!
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[17:33] <Azeotrope> can anybody help me?
[17:33] <abiko> Unfortunately the same error shows when irqpoll added to lilo.conf
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[17:34] <CatCommando> Azeotrope: nvidia tried to help you but you sad "no"
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[17:34] <Azeotrope> CatCommando: I did that again and won't work, even with YES
[17:35] <CatCommando> and what does the xorg log say
[17:35] <Azeotrope> Nothing. No errors
[17:35] <CatCommando> then run xwmconfig and startx again
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[17:37] <James____> can i via packages upgrade from 2.6.29 to newer?
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[17:45] <Azeotrope> still nothing
[17:46] <Azeotrope> I never had a more disturbing issue with linux
[17:46] <Skywise> you're young
[17:46] <Skywise> there will be more
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[17:47] <Azeotrope> i can't believe i am doing this for 12 hrs
[17:47] <abiko> join the club :)
[17:47] <Skywise> you gotta do it until you're finished
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[17:47] <Azeotrope> i'm gonna get nuts
[17:48] <abiko> once you get it, you'll feel like a king of the world :)
[17:48] <Skywise> sometimes it happens, can't be helped i'm afraid
[17:48] <abiko> worth the feeling
[17:48] <abiko> anyhow, as ubuntu folk would say - you can always reinstall :) lol
[17:49] <Azeotrope> anyway, my problem is the kernel + nvidia drivers / settings. what do you suggest?
[17:49] <Azeotrope> no, i cant afford to reinstall
[17:49] <Skywise> thats a tough position to be in
[17:49] <Skywise> try a new kernel without any built in nvidia support
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[17:50] <Azeotrope> witch one?
[17:50] <Skywise> whichever you can manage to make
[17:50] <Skywise> its your choice, but why not go with the latest
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[17:52] <Azeotrope> i just need a stable and good one.
[17:52] <Azeotrope> the default from slackware 13 was the best, but i don't know how to install that.
[17:53] <alienBOB> Use installpkg
[17:53] <alisonken1home> what version are you running now?
[17:53] <Azeotrope> 2.6.29.6
[17:54] <Azeotrope> i messed up compiling / installpkg / upgradepkg with 2 versions of kernles
[17:54] <alisonken1home> what version of slackware are you running?
[17:54] <Azeotrope> 2.6.29.6 and 2.6.33
[17:54] <Azeotrope> 13.0, 64bit
[17:55] <alisonken1home> ok - like I said this morning, boot the dvd, _read_ the part about "In an emergency you can boot to your system ...", then mount the dvd, goto slackware/a and installpkg the kernel*.tgz file
[17:55] <Azeotrope> I have the right packages for every kernel http://pastebin.org/118382
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[17:56] <CatCommando> Azeotrope: you need the kernel source to compile nvidia
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[17:56] <Azeotrope> alisonken1home: i spent lot of time serching for that part with "In emergency". Couldn't find it
[17:56] <alisonken1home> after you rerun lilo, you should be able to boot back onto your system
[17:57] <alisonken1home> ok - then try "In a pinch" - try reading the page and think about what it's saying
[17:57] <_nmap> I finally put my touchpad working!!!!!!!!!!!!  But now im having another little problem, for right click i need to press the button for 2 secs to mouse click... There's any option to decrease that time?
[17:57] <alienBOB> Azeotrope: boot the Slackware DVD, and when the messages stop - before you press ENTER or type a kernelname - read carefully what it says on-screen
[17:58] <Azeotrope> ok
[17:58] <Azeotrope> don't I have to mkinitrd too?
[17:58] <alisonken1home> don't worry about mkinitrd yet - you're going to boot the dvd kernel telling it to use your hard drive for root
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[17:59] <alisonken1home> mkinitrd is _only_ needed for a modular kernel, and you're not there yet
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[18:01] <Azeotrope> alisonken1home: ok. just before i get started, i also have those two kernels and i'm chrooting in my slack install from ubuntu
[18:01] <alisonken1home> still a bad idea
[18:01] <alisonken1home> you have the slackware dvd, you have a slackware system that only has a bad kernel
[18:01] <alisonken1home> using a different distro kernel may work in a real pinch, but not recommended
[18:02] <Azeotrope> ok. rebooting and hoping
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[18:05] <alisonken1home> my bet is on "still hasn't learned"
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[18:10] <Camarade_Tux>  xP
[18:10] <SunTzu> if ya cant make it work then hand in your geek card!
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[18:11] <alisonken1home> first you have to_earn_ your geek card
[18:11] <SunTzu> nooooo! reawlly? :)
[18:11] <alisonken1home> and no  - cracker jacks don't count
[18:11] <SunTzu> heh
[18:12] <SunTzu> i still have a boot/ from '04 on a different box.
[18:12] <NaCl> alienBOB: ping
[18:12] <SunTzu> sodium!!!
[18:13] <NaCl> :P
[18:13] <Camarade_Tux> wonders what we get if we cut his head
[18:14] <jeev> hm should i use mdadm to read this shit or use the hardware raid
[18:14] <SunTzu> hw
[18:14] <SunTzu>  is the best
[18:14] <jeev> sas 6/ir ;/
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[18:14] <SunTzu> i just mean on princip
[18:15] <jeev> hardware raid scares me
[18:15] <SunTzu> why?
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[18:15] <jeev> dunno
[18:15] <SunTzu> kool; an irrational fear!
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[18:16] <jeev> SunTzu, it's what the average american has.. except i'm not afraid of fake terrorism, i'm afraid of hardware raid.
[18:16] <jeev> ;/
[18:16] <Skywise> i don't like hardware raid because its proprietary
[18:16] <Skywise> and if it fails you might not be able to replace or repair it and you're out of luck
[18:16] <SunTzu> i'm just fear-less; adrenalin doesnt count.
[18:16] <CatCommando> jeev: you sound terrified
[18:16] <jeev> very
[18:16] <Skywise> software raid is quite fast and is generic
[18:17] <NaCl> alienBOB: I'm going to send out another patch to polkit soon, do you want to be cc'd?
[18:17] <Skywise> if you can make the drive visible to the os, you can use it, much simpler
[18:17] <CatCommando> NaCl: what did you fix
[18:17] <NaCl> Added support to shadow
[18:17] <NaCl> s/to/for
[18:18] <CatCommando> wow, it was missing?
[18:18] <thrice`> NaCl, he didn't seem to even acknowledge your first :(
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[18:20] <thrice`> (jerk)
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[18:21] <alienBOB> NaCl: yes please
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[18:21] <NaCl> thrice`: well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me. :P
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[18:21] <thrice`> no no, him, not you :)
[18:21] <NaCl> Oh. :P
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[18:22] <thrice`> lol
[18:22] <Azeotrope> i passed to the *boot:* thing this  huge.s root=/dev/sda7 ro
[18:22] <NaCl> I wasn't sure if I was going to get up and be gone for a little bit, didn't want to not be here when he was.
[18:22] <alienBOB> Azeotrope: that is not what the Slackware 13.0 boot screen tells you to type
[18:22] <NaCl> alienBOB: done.
[18:23] <fsilva> hi i install slackware 13 on my old notebook. Everything works fine except the wireless lan... I put somethink like iwconfig wlan0 mode managed channel6 key restricted s:"pass" essid "mylan" and then call dhclient but dhclient says wlan0 lan is down.
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[18:23] <fsilva> any tips?
[18:23] <NaCl> alienBOB: it's been so long sinc ethe first message that the threads are separate. :/
[18:23] <NaCl> Or I did something wrong.
[18:23] <Azeotrope> alienBOB: i don't get it! step by step. i put the dvd in tray. boot it up. passed that kernel option i said. mounted slack dvd. cd to slackware64/a
[18:24] <alienBOB> Yeah but we'll see the responses NaCl
[18:25] <jeev> alienBobby, what do you think
[18:25] <alienBOB> Azeotrope: any reason you left out the "rdinit=" piece in the middle?
[18:25] <Azeotrope> i put it. i forgot to mention it here
[18:25] <alienBOB> OK good
[18:25] <alienBOB> Then make sure you mount your harddisk partition below /mnt
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[18:26] <Azeotrope> still, that booted the dvd. on my slackware install root i have some files and i didn't saw them there. even with ls -a
[18:26] <jeev> rawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwr
[18:26] <alienBOB> Azeotrope: sounds like you did not boot into your Slackware partition then
[18:26] <jeev> i dont want to use harware raid but.
[18:27] <Azeotrope> alienBOB: I am sure i didn't. but i am sure i did everything you told me
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[18:27] <riza> Hello!
[18:27] <jeev> Hello@
[18:27] <NaCl> alienBOB: kk
[18:27] <CatCommando> Azeotrope: a fresh install takes 30 minutes
[18:28] <alienBOB> CatCommando: he told us that that was not an option
[18:28] <CatCommando> Azeotrope: i can get nvidia working on your system in 5 minutes with ssh
[18:28] <alienBOB> I would not trust CatCommando
[18:29] <CatCommando> why not, effy trusted me and he is fine
[18:29] <eviljames> I would not trust any random stranger on irc.
[18:29] <alienBOB> Someone who changes nick everyday and has been banned before here on ##slackware ?
[18:29] <CatCommando> not everyone is bad
[18:29] <alienBOB> Hm
[18:29] <Azeotrope> thank you but i'll do it eventyally
[18:30] <jeev> i dont trust eviljames, he tried to get me to switch to unbunti in private message.
[18:30] <riza> Huh, what is this talk about trust and not S\lackware?
[18:30] <riza> LOL
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[18:31] <Azeotrope> alienBOB: so, what do I do? am I missing something?
[18:31] <alienBOB> Azeotrope: boot again from the dvd, typing "huge.s root=/dev/sda7 rdinit= ro" . But I am thinking, was your disk called /dev/hda in Slackware 13.0 and then went to /dev/sda with slackware-current's new kernel?
[18:31] <eviljames> alienBOB: dunno if you caught it in slackbuilds, but digikam apparently doesn't build on anything with libpng >= 1.4.0.  It's fixed in their svn, but your package segfaults on -current.
[18:31] <eviljames> alienBOB: just fyi...
[18:31] <alienBOB> eviljames: my package is for 13.0
[18:31] <Azeotrope> alienBOB: no, they were all called sda
[18:32] <alienBOB> Azeotrope: OK
[18:32] <eviljames> alienBOB: ah, of course.
[18:32] <alienBOB> Mind the space in "rdinit= ro" by the way Azeotrope
[18:32] <Azeotrope> alienBOB: did that too.
[18:33] <alienBOB> Your root partition really is /dev/sda7
[18:33] <alienBOB> ?
[18:33] <Azeotrope> yes
[18:33] <riza> I got a question. Is there a usual scheduled time for when updates are released? When should I do "slackpkg update"?
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[18:33] <Azeotrope> i am sure, i use it when i'm chrooting
[18:33] <alienBOB> What's on all the others... another SLacware?
[18:34] <alienBOB> riza: no schedule.
[18:34] <Azeotrope> no. slackware64 13.0 dvd i used for install. i do have 32bit compat libs if that could be an issue
[18:34] <alienBOB> No
[18:35] <riza> Hm.
[18:35] <alienBOB> If you can not boot into your hard drive partition, that is weird. But you can do this:
[18:35] <alienBOB> Boot the DVD all the way to the prompt. Then, mount the DVD somewhere (not blow /mnt) and mount /dev/sda7 below /mnt
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[18:36] <Azeotrope> alienBOB: ant
[18:36] <Azeotrope> and then i installpkg?
[18:37] <alienBOB> Go to /path/to/dvd/slackware64/a and there run: installpkg --root /mnt kernel-huge-2.6.29.6-x86_64-2.txz
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[18:37] <Azeotrope> don't i have to chroot in order to run lilo?
[18:37] <CatCommando> ...
[18:38] <CatCommando> why would you
[18:38] <alienBOB> Then run lilo -r /mnt
[18:38] <abiko> Hello guys :) I've compiled the new kernel. but.. I have no mouse pointer + seems my graphic card support is down the toilet
[18:38] <alienBOB> Assuming you still have an entry in /mnt/etc/lilo.conf that points to that huge kernel (/boot/vmlinuz)
[18:38] <CatCommando> abiko: use the old kernel !
[18:39] <abiko> but with the new kernel my DVD drive works :)
[18:39] <macavity> abiko: did you use the old config as a template?
[18:39] <CatCommando> did you get the correct .config first of all
[18:40] <Azeotrope> alienBOB: ok. thank you. I run this installpkg --root /mnt kernel-huge-2.6.29.6-x86_64-2.txz as is, nothing after /mnt?
[18:40] <CatCommando> alienBOB: not going to work ;D
[18:41] <fsilva> humm ifconfig wlan0 up  -> SIOCSIFFLAGS: no such file or directory   means what? O.o
[18:41] <macavity> fsilva: that you are missing either the driver or the firmware for your wifi card
[18:41] <gm152> Your driver for your wireless card isn't loaded.
[18:41] <macavity> fsilva: broadcom?
[18:41] <fsilva> macavity, yes
[18:42] <fsilva> macavity, BCM4318 slackware 13 installed...
[18:42] <macavity> fsilva: go to slackbuilds.org and obtain b43-fwcutter and b43-firmware
[18:42] <abiko> macavity: no, I have made new configuration
[18:42] <macavity> fsilva: in that order
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[18:42] <Azeotrope> CatCommando: why's not gonna work?
[18:42] <macavity> Azeotrope: if alienBOB says something and randomdude says it wont work... trust alienBOB, as he is the maintainer of slackware64
[18:43] <CatCommando> Azeotrope: im just being cynical
[18:43] <riza> Alright!
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[18:43] <Azeotrope> ok.
[18:43] <gm152> What do you mean "nothing after /mnt" ?
[18:43] <Azeotrope> nothing as /mnt/mymountpoint
[18:44] <macavity> Azeotrope: you were (i belive) told to mount / directly to /mnt
[18:44] <Azeotrope> ok...
[18:44] <macavity> Azeotrope: mount /dev/sda7 /mnt
[18:44] <alienBOB> CatCommando: care to elaborate _what_ will not work?
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[18:44] <Azeotrope> yes
[18:44] <macavity> then -root /mnt is correct
[18:45] <macavity> as /mnt/* coresponds to /* from the package tools point of view
[18:45] <CatCommando> alienBOB: cuz he will try to do it from a chroot?
[18:45] <Azeotrope> i understand
[18:45] <alienBOB> CatCommando: why? Did he say that?
[18:46] <Azeotrope> i'm not gonna chroot
[18:46] <Azeotrope> brb
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[18:47] <macavity> coffee time :-D
[18:48] <CatCommando> 6:47...beer time
[18:48] <CatCommando> <3 leffe
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[18:54] <fsilva> macavity, i put both files in my laptop, extract that and?
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[18:58] <Azeotrope> alienBOB: everything went fine, i booted up the kernel but i still got that X11 problem. After the bootup process and "Starting X11" line, my screen is black, with a underscroll cursor in the top-left corner. no blinking, no changing tty's, nothing
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[18:59] <biker> hi
[18:59] <biker> does someone knows what does this error means? =/
[18:59] <biker> rhythmbox: error while loading shared libraries: libglade-2.0.so.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
[18:59] <alienBOB> Azeotrope: so at least your kernel boots now?
[19:00] <thrice`> biker, yes, you are mixing 32-bit and 64-bit packages probably
[19:00] <alienBOB> Please change your default runlevel to 3 - when X does not work, runlevel 4 is pretty useless
[19:00] <Azeotrope> alienBOB: yes, thank you so much!
[19:01] <alienBOB> Then, in runlevel 3 you can troubleshoot X by looking at the logs
[19:01] <biker> thrice`, well, I just made my system multilib like it says in alienBOB s page
[19:01] <biker> thrice`, so how can I fix it? :S google doesnt has anything at all
[19:01] <biker> ooo alienBOB, great tutorial that :) thanks
[19:02] <thrice`> if you expect a 32-bit binary to work, and it's compiled against other 32-bit binaries, you'll need everything it's linking to as 32-bit also
[19:02] <biker> oo ok, so I need libglade for 32 bit right?
[19:03] <thrice`> if you are trying to load a 32-bit rhythmbox (why?)
[19:03] <biker> thrice`, cause there is not 64-bit rhythmbox =/
[19:03] <thrice`> there is not a 32-bit either :)
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[19:04] <biker> well is a i486 I think thrice`
[19:04] <biker> :p
[19:04] <Azeotrope> alienBOB: i have runlevel 4. switching to 3 will make a console login right?
[19:04] <thrice`> I'm not sure where you are getting your gnome packages
[19:04] <NaCl> biker: you build it 64-bit from source
[19:04] <NaCl> Or 32-bit
[19:05] <biker> thrice`, well that rhythmbox was on slapt-get , but there was only the 32-bit package
[19:05] <CatCommando> ive been saying to get off runlevel 4 for what seems like days now
[19:05] <thumbs> biker: don't use slapt-get
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[19:05] <biker> thumbs, lol
[19:05] <biker> NaCl, let me try
[19:06] <biker> thumbs, why? :p
[19:06] <NaCl> thumbs speaks the truth
[19:06] <thrice`> yeah, it works so well, can't you see? :)
[19:06] <thumbs> biker: unless you don't value the integrity of your system.
[19:06] <biker> damn lol xD
[19:06] <thumbs> biker: in which case, go right ahead. Oh, and we won't support you, either.
[19:07] <biker> ok Im removing slapt-get xD
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[19:07] <Azeotrope> where do i change the default runlevel? i can't remember the file i edited
[19:07] <thumbs> Azeotrope: /etc/inittab
[19:07] <NaCl> Azeotrope: /etc/inittab
[19:07] <thrice`> Azeotrope, /etc/inittab
[19:07] <Azeotrope> lol
[19:08] <NaCl> We sure it's /etc/inittab?
[19:08] <Azeotrope> thanks all 3
[19:09] <biker> NaCl, now I remembered why I didnt compile it myself :p
[19:09] <biker> NaCl, it asks me for a gtk>= 2.16.0, and I have 2.14.7
[19:09] <biker> and I dont know how to get the newer one =/
[19:10] <NaCl> Ah.
[19:10] <NaCl> -current has that, although that may make your system unstable.
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[19:10] <biker> NaCl, yea, the time I tried to get current, my system didnt start correctly =/
[19:10] <biker> so I had to reinstall slackware
[19:10] <NaCl> Do not use it unless you are ready and/or willing to fix breakages correctly
[19:11] <biker> lol
[19:11] <biker> NaCl, dont you know another way to get gtk? =/
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[19:12] <thrice`> there isn't; you'd have to update glib, atk, and probably others
[19:12] <NaCl> Upgrading gtk involves upgrading some other stuff.
[19:12] <NaCl> thrice`: just glib, pango, and maybe cairo
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[19:13] <NaCl> At least that's all I did when I upgraded -current a while back to test polkit
[19:13] <biker> im on the gtk+ webpage and there says i need also glib and pango
[19:14] <NaCl> I would not recommend going through with this, YMMV.
[19:15] <thrice`> ditto; updating to -current would be easier
[19:15] <thrice`> or, installing gnome from one of the slackware-gnome projects
[19:15] <NaCl> biker: you probably got hit by the libata switchover
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[19:16] <biker> thrice`, I installed gnome from http://gnomeslackbuild.org/
[19:16] <biker> NaCl, whats that? xD
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[19:16] <thrice`> biker, didn't you install the 64-bit version, then?
[19:16] <NaCl> biker: /dev/hd* gets moved to /dev/sd*
[19:16] <biker> thrice`, yea
[19:17] <NaCl> thrice`: gsb suggests slapt-get
[19:17] <Azeotrope> alienBOB: ok, now I'm logged in, i reinstalled the nvidia-drivers. do i let the installer to modify xorg.conf?
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[19:17] <NaCl> Azeotrope: it is not required, if you ahve done it before
[19:17] <NaCl> It should have remained the same over previous upgrades
[19:17] <Azeotrope> also, do i have to run xorgconfig and xwmconfig?
[19:17] <biker> ok im lost =/
[19:18] <NaCl> Azeotrope: if you let the nvidia drivers tweak stuff, then also no
[19:19] <Azeotrope> ok
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[19:32] <Azeotrope> this is what i get in Xorg.0.log when trying to startx: http://pastebin.org/118465
[19:33] <Azeotrope> any idea why?
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[19:34] <CatCommando> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
[19:34] <CatCommando> you told me the xorg log had NO ERRORS
[19:35] <Cann0n> O.o
[19:35] <CatCommando> #n(EE) Mar 19 23:23:16 NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module. Please see then#n(EE) Mar 19 23:23:16 NVIDIA(0):     system's kernel log for additional error messages andn#n(EE) Mar 19 23:23:16 NVIDIA(0):     consult the NVIDIA README for details.
[19:35] <Azeotrope> CatCommando: yes, *before* i changed the runlevel to 3
[19:35] <Cann0n> i forgot how to do that
[19:35] <CatCommando> that means paste your dmesg output
[19:36] <CatCommando> Azeotrope: i told you to change to runlevel 3 like 9 hours ago
[19:36] <fsilva> how is the correct steps to use a .SlackBuild script?
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[19:36] <CatCommando> fsilva: get .tgz and slackbuild and chmod +x slackbuild and run it
[19:36] <BP{k}> http://slackbuilds.org/howto/
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[19:36] <BP{k}> CatCommando: annnnd fail...
[19:36] <Azeotrope> CatCommando: yes, but meanwhile i had other kernel issues
[19:36] <Azeotrope> panics and all
[19:36] <CatCommando> BP{k}: works for me
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[19:37] <CatCommando> BP{k}: go read some bob dobbs on "slack"
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[19:39] <Azeotrope> what do you suggest CatCommando
[19:39] <Azeotrope> ?
[19:39] <b_j_x> fsilva: source *.info
[19:40] <CatCommando> that means paste your dmesg output
[19:40] <b_j_x> fsilva: wget $DOWNLOAD
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[19:41] <Azeotrope> How? I'm in the live cd
[19:41] <b_j_x> fsilva: ./*.SlackBuild
[19:43] <CatCommando> Azeotrope: WHY?!
[19:43] <CatCommando> you can login as user and irc
[19:44] <Azeotrope> CatCommando: because on the tty I don't have copy/paste
[19:44] <CatCommando> who says you need copy paste
[19:44] <Cann0n> Live CDs.... eeeeww
[19:44] <Azeotrope> and how do i paste my dmesg to you?
[19:44] <CatCommando> well i guess you do kinda but jeez.....
[19:44] <CatCommando> you can see if its in /var/log/dmesg
[19:45] <CatCommando> i guess there isnt a way if your system locks up
[19:45] <CatCommando> but you should be able to startx, then ctrl + alt + backspace then dmesg >/tmp/dmesg; then reboot and paste it
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[19:45] <fsilva> b_j_x, i dont have access to internet on laptop, btw im trying to install b43-fwcutter.Slackbuild but no lucky atm
[19:45] <Azeotrope> nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
[19:46] <Cann0n> O.o
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[19:46] <CatCommando> Azeotrope: ignore it
[19:46] <Cann0n> ya'll should PM each other to clear up #slackware :D
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[19:46] <CatCommando> nah, you help him
[19:46] <Azeotrope> CatCommando: that's all in dmesg log
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[19:46] <CatCommando> ok paste it
[19:46] <Cann0n> i'm good. i've never even seen a real nvidia card
[19:47] <jeev> windows 7 is physically giving me pain
[19:47] <CatCommando> jeev: then die
[19:47] <jeev> doing regular day to day things, leaving windows open is becoming a serious issue
[19:47] <jeev> right after you
[19:47] <macavity> fsilva: whats acting up with b43-fwcutter?
[19:48] <CatCommando> jeev: you can always upgrade to xp
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[19:48] <Cann0n> jeev: yeah, try walking away from your computer right now for a week and come back.
[19:48] <mancha> fsilva, you only will need to to run fw-cutter once prolly to extract the fw from a blob, why make a slackbuild of it?
[19:48] <Azeotrope> yea, that's all regarding nvidia
[19:48] <Cann0n> lol. windows ME used to start failing after the first window was open for more than 20 minutes
[19:48] <CatCommando> Azeotrope: did you paste a link?
[19:49] <jeev> i cant hover the mouse over anything without having an annoying text pop up
[19:49] <CatCommando> Cann0n: not mine
[19:49] <macavity> mancha: probably because i adviced him to install both fwcutter and firmware from SBo (less chance of something going wrong.. i thought)
[19:49] <fsilva> macavity, i type ./b43-fwcutter.Slackbuild but it Canot Open: no such file or directory
[19:49] <CatCommando> i ran it with win95 shell though.......
[19:49] <agentc0re> Azeotrope: what Kernel issues are you having and what slackware version are you using now?
[19:49] <macavity> fsilva: hang on..
[19:49] <CatCommando> BP{k}: annnnd fail...
[19:50] <b_j_x> fsilva: do what I've said but you'll have to move the source to your laptop. ie wget http://bu3sch.de/b43/fwcutter/b43-fwcutter-012.tar.bz2 on a computer with internet and copy it accross somehow
[19:50] <Cann0n> CatCommando: i'm talking about a Windows ME, not 95
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[19:50] <Azeotrope> agentc0re: slackware64 13. i tried to make my own kernel, screwed it multiple time until i got it and now i have only X11 issues.
[19:50] <fsilva> b_j_x, ok, i will try
[19:50] <CatCommando> hehe yeah, well, whats the difference if you change shells
[19:50] <Azeotrope> CatCommando: has like 700 lines that dmesg output
[19:50] <mancha> fsilva, try an uppercase B in SlackBuild
[19:50] <mancha> sh ./b43-fwcutter.SlackBuild
[19:51] <agentc0re> Azeotrope: paste the output from, cat /etc/slackware-version
[19:51] <macavity> fsilva: did you download the source?
[19:51] <agentc0re> Azeotrope: also want the uname -r output.
[19:51] <agentc0re> Azeotrope: er, "uname -r"
[19:51] <macavity> fsilva: SBo 101: download tar with .SlackBuild and auxilery files; extract it; download source and place it in newly created dir; switch to root; run the .SlackBuild
[19:52] <Azeotrope> agentc0re: Slackware 13.0.0.0.0
[19:52] <Azeotrope> 2.6.29.6
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[19:53] <macavity> fsilva: just type "./b43<tab>" and it will expand to the full file name ;-)
[19:53] <agentc0re> Azeotrope: Okay, so you shouldn't need to patch the nvidia drivers due to the fan problem.
[19:54] <agentc0re> Azeotrope: which nvidia driver version did you install?  Did you do it from sbo or just run the nvidia installer?  (i don't care either way, just need to know)
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[19:55] <Azeotrope> 190.53 i think. latest from nvidia site. no sbopkg
[19:55] <agentc0re> macavity: i think the nvidia installer makes a backup copy of that lib.  if you were to remove the drivers, it would restore it.  As for the headers... i'm not sure about that.  /shrug.
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[19:56] <agentc0re> Azeotrope: did you have it create an xorg.conf for you?
[19:56] <Azeotrope> yes
[19:56] <agentc0re> Azeotrope: pastebin the whole thing.
[19:57] <Azeotrope> http://pastebin.org/118479 this is the xorg0.log
[19:58] <agentc0re> i got the log, i need xorg.conf
[19:58] <CatCommando> that means paste your dmesg output
[19:58] <agentc0re> CatCommando: no, that means pastebin the xorg.conf.
[19:58] <Azeotrope> http://pastebin.org/118480  xorg.conf
[19:59] <fsilva> macavity, its seems to created a b43-fwcutterXXX.tgz in /tmp, is this correct?
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[19:59] <b_j_x> Azeotrope: is that the xorg.conf that nvidia-xconfig generated for you?
[19:59] <CatCommando> that means paste your dmesg output
[20:00] <Azeotrope> yes
[20:00] <Azeotrope> unmodified
[20:00] <b_j_x> fsilve: installpkg  /tmp/b43-fwcutterXXX.tgz
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[20:01] <fsilva> b_j_x, package installed.... Now i have to do the same process to b43-firmware.... need to find the source first, right?
[20:02] <Azeotrope> agentc0re: any idea?
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[20:02] <agentc0re> Azeotrope: did you reinstall the nvidia drivers after your kernel compiling?
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[20:02] <Azeotrope> yes
[20:03] <agentc0re> Azeotrope: in telinit 3?
[20:03] <b_j_x> Azeotrope: before starting X try /sbin/modprobe nvidia and look at dmesg
[20:03] <Azeotrope> agentc0re: yes
[20:04] <agentc0re> Azeotrope: try what b_j_x said.  I'd also run in telinit 3 and try starting X by running, "startx"  I found it easy to trouble shoot from there.
[20:05] <Azeotrope> ok
[20:05] <Azeotrope> thank you
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[20:13] <fsilva> ok guys, b43-fwcutter and b43-firmware installed...!!! Now what? :D
[20:13] <b_j_x> fsilva: same steps.
[20:13] <fsilva> Wow!! Conected! :D
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[20:18] <b_j_x> fsilva: well done
[20:18] <macavity> fsilva: yes
[20:19] <macavity> fsilva: install that before you procede to the next package
[20:19] <fsilva> b_j_x, :D Finally i cant use slackpkg update! Spend my whole afternoon trying to make wireless work! :D
[20:19] <macavity> fsilva: you can remove it once b43-firmware is installed.. it is just a build requirement
[20:19] <fsilva> macavity, i just installed both here... its working my wireless now! Thanks! :D
[20:20] <macavity> fsilva: though, weighing in at some 200Kb there is probaby little reason to remove it
[20:20] <macavity> fsilva: excelent :-)
[20:20] <macavity> fsilva: and since you now know how to use slackbuilds.org, here is a little treat for you: download sbopkg from sbopkg.org and have a super neat command line utillity for SBo right at your fingertips :-)
[20:21] <fsilva> macavity, nice! :D
[20:21] <macavity> fsilva: i insist, for educational purposes, that people know how slackbuilds actually work before i hand them the tool
[20:22] <macavity> fsilva: no blind apt-get-me-into-oblivion here ;-)
[20:22] <b_j_x> fsilva: i agree with macavity, especially if you are running slack64 - not all slackbuilds are written properly
[20:23] <BP{k}> macavity++
[20:23] <BP{k}> b_j_x: such as?
[20:24] <macavity> b_j_x: if they are written poorly they will suck equally bad with sbopkg :P
[20:24] <b_j_x> BP{k}: that's my point exactly, i find it easier to modify the slackbuild outside of sbopkg
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[20:25] <macavity> hmm... you actually have a point there
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[20:26] <thrice`> BP{k}, any of yours :p
[20:26] <BP{k}> b_j_x: no. I am asking you, which slackbuilds have you found that actually have a problem compiling on slackware64-13.0 *AND* where it's not noted in the README.
[20:26] <b_j_x> ..
[20:28] <CatCommando> ...
[20:28] <fsilva> goind to x-chat in laptop! i will let my wife use desktop! Brb.
[20:29] <CatCommando> first freedom, then desktop, so it goes, so it goes
[20:29] <fsilva> lol
[20:30] <b_j_x> sorry thought i was typing in my terminal... I can't think of an example right now but I remember having to alter the slackbuild to correctly point to my qt
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[20:31] <CatCommando> b_j_x: you can do it however you want or whatever works
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[20:32] <b_j_x> you 'd have to agree that not all slackbuilds cater for ARCH correctly
[20:33] <trhodes> SBo builds are tested
[20:34] <CatCommando> b_j_x: cant disagree
[20:35] <dive> b_j_x, you can edit the slackbuild in sbopkg also
[20:35] <CatCommando> NEWSFLASH: you can do anything you want!
[20:36] <b_j_x> my code is tested (i wish tah meant it was bug free lol)
[20:36] <thrice`> every slackbuild is tested and works for both arches
[20:36] <thrice`> unless the READMe says otherwise
[20:36] <rk4n3> CatCommando: even rollerskate in a buffalo herd ?
[20:36] <BP{k}> And where ... or where the .info says UNSUPPORTED
[20:37] <CatCommando> tested but guaranteed to be out of date :p
[20:37] <thrice`> CatCommando, ?
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[20:38] <CatCommando> you know, the old   INSTALLED PACKAGE IS NEWER THAN REPO
[20:39] <Skywise> i'm sure the buffalo won't mind if you let them have a turn
[20:39] <CatCommando> you cant rollerskate on grass
[20:39] <Skywise> sure you can
[20:39] <thrice`> CatCommando, how is that relevant at ALL?  you said not all of the slackbuilds cater to ARCH.  can you name one?
[20:39] <Skywise> you just need to use roller blades meant for it
[20:39] <CatCommando> thrice`: i said that?  you are delusional
[20:40] <thrice`> CatCommando, "can't disagree" right above
[20:40] <rk4n3> Skywise: haha :)
[20:40] <CatCommando> i said i can't disagree
[20:40] <CatCommando> thrice`: is english your first language?
[20:40] <thrice`> you said, you can't disagree to his statement of "not all slackbuilds cater to ARCH"
[20:40] <CatCommando> and how many reasons can i have for not being able to disagree?
[20:41] <Skywise> no more then 1
[20:41] <CatCommando> wrong
[20:41] <thrice`> has 13.1 come out?  the room is getting dumber
[20:41] <Skywise> i'm afraid thats all
[20:41] <CatCommando> thrice`: you are the one that infers crap
[20:42] <b_j_x> thrice: i can't name one right now but if (god forbid) we do find a broken slackbuild we should correct and submit yes?
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[20:42] <BP{k}> b_j_x: no.
[20:42] <BP{k}> b_j_x: you email the maintainer and ask for an update.
[20:42] <Skywise> no, keep it a secret so you can lord it over pat some drunken night in rio
[20:42] <trhodes> haha
[20:42] <thrice`> and come in to IRC and complain alot :>
[20:43] <b_j_x> Skypewise: haha. glad someone here has a sense of humour
[20:43] <CatCommando> b_j_x: oh snap
[20:43] <thrice`> alot of people test and work on those scripts, so unless you're pretty certain they suck, it's rude to throw such statements
[20:43] <b_j_x> no offense intended - its not a perfect world is all
[20:44] <johnbristol> At the console with a UTF-8 font and keyboard map I can't stop the backspace character from deleting back beyond the start of line. Toggling "stty iutf8" on and off seems to have no effect. unicode_stop stops it and unicode_start reverts to over-backspacing. lilo-conf has append="vt.default_utf8=1" and I've read David Woodfall's notes. I assume clean backspacing is meant to work - any ideas what I might try?
[20:44] <trhodes> CatCommando: you made clear your negative attitudes towards slackbuilds, shown a few lines later with "guaranteed to be out of date", so how else is a double negative to be taken ?
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[20:44] <CatCommando> trhodes: i couldn't disagree with his statement because i don't use 64-bit
[20:45] <CatCommando> because i dont want to deal with all those arch and compat issues everyone claims are solved
[20:45] <trhodes> ok, it just wasn't clear that was what was meant, thas all :)
[20:45] <dive> johnbristol, you mean backspace will not only delete text, but the prompt and continue?
[20:45] <johnbristol> dive: yep
[20:45] <thrice`> CatCommando, which arch issues?
[20:45] <johnbristol> by one character per £ sign, that being my test
[20:46] <CatCommando> thrice`: figures you wouldn't know
[20:46] <dive> johnbristol, but this only happens with unicode_start?
[20:46] <thrice`> yeah, figures!
[20:46] <CatCommando> why do you ask so many questions trying to one-up people
[20:46] <CatCommando> ?
[20:46] <thrice`> I'm simply asking for you to show some proof of your retarded accusations
[20:46] <johnbristol> dive: yes. And thanks for those notes, too, they were very helpful.
[20:46] <CatCommando> i didnt make any accusations
[20:47] <CatCommando> there are issues that i dont want to deal with, and you pretend they dont exist?
[20:47] <thrice`> sure, you said "64-bit has issues."  please, name a few
[20:47] <CatCommando> ask b_j_x
[20:47] <thrice`> I'm asking you
[20:47] <thrice`> since you mad the claim
[20:47] <Skywise> it has an eating disorder
[20:47] <dive> johnbristol, I think what I would do is have a look at the unicode_start script (just a shell script). Find out which particular line is causing this.
[20:47] <Skywise> and doesn't have a very healthy self image
[20:47] <dive> johnbristol, thanks by the way
[20:47] <CatCommando> Skywise: thats one issues for sure
[20:48] <trhodes> anyways, i think the whole deal arose because of crap CatCommando heard, but didn't know, and nailing him to that won't help anything at this point
[20:48] <Skywise> its a friday
[20:49] <CatCommando> trhodes: oh this is not over yet, people will come in with issues
[20:49] <CatCommando> that i can't disagree that they dont exist
[20:49] <Skywise> i plan to have a wild night of taking a shower, making some chili con carne and watching tv
[20:49] <CatCommando> yet...someone can always disagree that any issue exists
[20:49] <thrice`> right, since you've been in this channel ~2 days? :)
[20:50] <johnbristol> dive: I was in there a bit ago and focused mostly on the stty iutf8 line, checking that it toggled the flag which it did fine. I'll go and read it again.
[20:50] <trhodes> a_small_dog was here drinking leffe a while back :)
[20:50] <CatCommando> thrice`: first day actually
[20:50] <SunTzu> ive been forced to upgrde to the latest libflash*; but seamonkey isnt playin.  where are the various paths to the lib besides usr/lib?
[20:50] <Skywise> find the lib using locate
[20:50] <SunTzu> locate is dead
[20:50] <SunTzu> :)
[20:51] <trhodes> how profound
[20:51] <Skywise> use slocate then
[20:51] <SunTzu> *locate is dead
[20:51] <Skywise> run updatedb
[20:51] <Skywise> what are you doin to that system anyway
[20:51] <SunTzu> cmon :) print a path?
[20:51] <CatCommando> trhodes: leffe is awesome
[20:51] <SunTzu> ive been forced to upgrde to the latest libflash*; but seamonkey isnt playin.
[20:51] <Skywise> its wherever it was installed at
[20:52] <SunTzu> you know damn well it's not automagic
[20:52] <Skywise> then use find / -name libflash*
[20:52] <SunTzu> :)
[20:52] <SunTzu> omg
[20:52] <SunTzu> i thought you knew someth
[20:52] <Skywise> not me
[20:52] <trhodes> that's about the same as updatedb at this point
[20:52] <SunTzu> locate isnt an option
[20:52] <Skywise> only it doesn't preserve the results
[20:52] <CatCommando> SunTzu: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ?
[20:52] <SunTzu> tyvm
[20:52] <SunTzu> anywhere else?
[20:53] <Skywise> lol
[20:53] <SunTzu> (i'm killing dead ln)
[20:53] <CatCommando> lag?
[20:53] <dive> johnbristol, 2nd though that occurs is that it's something in your .bashrc - try moving it to .bashrc-old, logout, login
[20:53] <trhodes> /usr/lib/firefox-*/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[20:53] <Skywise> somehow i don't think you're supposed to be doing whatever it is your doing
[20:53] <dive> johnbristol, I have seen this before (in X though) when playing with PS1
[20:54] <dive> johnbristol, or replace logout/login with 'exec bash'
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[20:58] <SunTzu> nuttins playin
[20:59] <Skywise> is nuthing happenin?
[20:59] <CatCommando> whats wrong with installing flash plugin?
[20:59] <CatCommando> i never had a problem, it doesnt exist!
[20:59] <Skywise> is the song advancing?
[20:59] <SunTzu> nop; "need latest version"
[20:59] <SunTzu> whic i have acquired
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[20:59] <SunTzu> CatCommando all apps want it there own chosen path
[20:59] <SunTzu> stoopit apps
[20:59] <SunTzu> coders need to be floged
[21:00] <SunTzu> breaking shit that aint theirs
[21:00] <CatCommando> hmm used to work in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins globally
[21:00] <SunTzu> k
[21:01] <SunTzu> failed
[21:01] <gm152> If you just installed the latest libflash, you're going to have to restart Firefox for libflash to be in effect.
[21:01] <SunTzu> hi gm, ltns
[21:01] <SunTzu> ok
[21:01] <CatCommando> wine 1.1.41 is out but i only see 1.1.24 in sbopkg
[21:02] <CatCommando> :(
[21:02] <jkwood> CatCommando: Edit the version in the SlackBuild.  I can verify that every version up to and including 1.1.40 works with it, so I see no reason that 1.1.41 wouldn't.
[21:03] <jkwood> As a matter of fact, I'll build it tonight myself.
[21:03] <rk4n3> i routinely try the latest releases of software even though the sbo is out of date
[21:03] <CatCommando> jkwood: i know
[21:03] <rk4n3> ,,, seems to turn out fine 95%  of the time by just changing the slackbuild's version spec
[21:03] <SunTzu> ok thanks folks; restart did the trick.
[21:03] <Skywise> after i install i distro i compile all my apps myself
[21:03] <SunTzu> gm152 et al. tyvm!!!
[21:04] <gm152> yw.
[21:04] <johnbristol> dive: I've tried the .bashrc bit and the exec bash, I'm still looking at the same result. unicode-stop stops it happening and unicode-start starts it again. I'll delve, I know now that there's something I've missed and it ought to work cleanly.
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[21:13] <dive> johnbristol, have
[21:13] <dive> oops
[21:13] <dive> johnbristol, you might also want to look at .inputrc
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[21:33] <_skycrash_> someone have a wordlist with dates since 1980 - 2010?
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[21:34] <thumbs> _skycrash_: what?
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[21:34] <_skycrash_> thumbs, you dont know a "wordlist" ?
[21:35] <powtrix> wordlist from?
[21:35] <_skycrash_> powtrix, dates
[21:35] <thumbs> _skycrash_: your question is vague.
[21:35] <powtrix> [a-zA-Z] done.
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[21:35] <trhodes> all the better to crack passwords with
[21:35] <_skycrash_> powtrix, like 01.01.1980 - 01.01.2010
[21:36] <trhodes> does format matter ?
[21:36] <_skycrash_> trhodes, no
[21:36] <_skycrash_> ddmmyyyy or yyyymmdd
[21:37] <powtrix> few users in '80 didn't have an ibm pc
[21:38] <_skycrash_> lol is true
[21:38] <_skycrash_> but i need
[21:38] <powtrix> s/few/alot
[21:38] <sahk0> most of the users here werent even born
[21:38] <powtrix> alot are died
[21:38] <_skycrash_> :-)
[21:39] <powtrix> well, cd/dvd should be > 1990..
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[21:40] Action: BP{k} remembers 1980
[21:42] Action: thumbs remembers 1970
[21:43] <powtrix> o0
[21:43] <powtrix> I remember when I did 1 year. true
[21:44] <trhodes> GNU date ought to be capable of making a date list
[21:44] <trhodes> maybe iterate over how many days ago that was
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[21:52] <trhodes> _skycrash_: http://ln-s.net/5J$K
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[21:56] Action: alisonken1home remembers 1960'
[21:56] <alisonken1home> ok - later part of the 60's :)
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[21:58] <macavity> i remember the most of the 80s.. but the 90s is pretty much just a black void...
[21:59] <trhodes> haha :P
[22:00] <jkwood> macavity: I blame pop music. Great beats combined with terrible lyrics is enough to overwhelm any mind.
[22:00] <macavity> lol
[22:00] <macavity> i blame weed and beer ;-)
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[22:05] <macavity> later dudes and dudettes
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[22:07] <fsilva> Whats the best way to install Open Office in slackware? There's only .deb and .rpm packages...
[22:07] <zaltekk> fsilva: http://slackbuilds.org
[22:10] <fsilva> i had to know this! :D Thanks zaltekk
[22:11] <rworkman> or my site
[22:11] <Cann0n> :)
[22:11] <jkwood> You have a site? =o
[22:11] <rworkman> Sometimes
[22:12] <jkwood> Ah, like I sometimes draw comics.
[22:12] <Cann0n> i got a personal preference: if you accidentally deleted your slackbuilds directory, would you go back and download all of them again even though you don't need them?
[22:12] <alisonken1home> rworkman - feel free to backup to the other server as well
[22:12] <Cann0n> s/i got//
[22:13] <alisonken1home> Cann0n, I'd use sbopkg
[22:13] <Cann0n> alisonken1home: but what about when you have to make your own?
[22:13] <alisonken1home> then make sure there's a backup somewhere on a different machine :)
[22:13] <trhodes> use version control
[22:14] <Cann0n> not everyone has that luxury
[22:14] <alisonken1home> I think I have 3 machines with backups on them
[22:14] <rworkman> alisonken1home: hrm, I just might do that.  Highly likely, in fact.  Thanks!
[22:14] <alisonken1home> with companies practically giving away old servers? even that old pentium makes an excellent backup server
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[22:14] <gm152> http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/ for some ready to install packages.
[22:14] <rworkman> Those suck.
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[22:15] <rworkman> That guy's worthles.
[22:15] <gm152> Oh, I didn't know. :)
[22:15] <rworkman> :)
[22:15] <gm152> Now you tell me after I posted that link, lol.
[22:17] <alisonken1home> cool  - ceph just got accepted into 2.6.34
[22:18] <alisonken1home> fyi - ceph is a distributed filesystem that one of the owners of my company wrote as a college thesis
[22:19] <trhodes> cool
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[22:22] <Cann0n> well, getting some things back
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[22:33] <fhobia> anybody been able to map caps lock to emacs meta? but leave the alt keys alone and separate ?
[22:33] <antiwire> Under -current, when running dhcpcd maunally, does anyone else experience strange ASCII characters in any of the dhcpcd output lines?
[22:34] <trhodes> yes, i had seen it before
[22:34] <trhodes> thought it was the modem or so
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[22:36] <MLanden> Heya,Slackers
[22:36] <BP{k}> howdy MLanden :)
[22:36] <MLanden> heya,BP{k}
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[22:44] <necrocow> any remember how, in the `mail` command-line, h prints out the header list but how to make it go to the end instead of having to guess where it ends??
[22:45] <mancha> -H ?
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[22:47] <mancha> oh yeah lowercase within the app, what do you mean guess where it ends, not cut off at the 1-line per email you mean?
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[22:50] <necrocow> I mean when I use h, it lists the earliest messages (1, 2, 3, ...) I want to see the recent most  (the end of the list)
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[22:50] <necrocow> this is the header list, not the actual content of the emails
[22:50] <gm152> z will display the next page of email headers.  You could repeatedly press z to eventually get to the last email header.
[22:51] <gm152> I don't know a direct method to the last (most recent) header.
[22:51] <mancha> you'd have to hack it to do last first i think
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[22:52] <necrocow> ah z works thanks
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[23:04] <necrocow> thanks
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[23:43] <Motoko-chan> bbl
[23:44] <Motoko-chan> Wrong window...
[23:44] <Cann0n> lol
[23:44] <Cann0n> ha-cha-cha-cha-cha
[23:45] <MLanden> lol....least it wasn't ASL...:D
[23:45] Action: Motoko-chan doesn't usually ask that
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[23:49] <Cann0n> Motoko-chan: 18/F/Cali and yes i have pix. but first, click this *insert_fake_link_to_virus*
[23:51] <Motoko-chan> T*** or gtfo.
[23:52] <Motoko-chan> http://bigrab.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/blue_tit.jpg
[23:52] <Motoko-chan> (SFW)
[23:52] <Cann0n> LOL!
[23:53] <jeev> i called ubunti a "shit of a linux distribution" so if we get flooders, it wasn't my fault
[23:53] <Motoko-chan> lol
[23:53] <Cann0n> jeev: you flame in #ubuntu?
[23:53] <jeev> no i dont go trolling
[23:53] <jeev> i'm in hardware telling someone to download ntfsprogs
[23:53] <Cann0n> oh... i'm still banned from there
[23:54] <jeev> my stupid SSD makes me feel lggy
[23:54] <jeev> laggy
[23:54] <Cann0n> i may drop multilib
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[23:54] <jeev> i may drop windows 7
[23:54] <jeev> i should get a second SSD
[23:54] <jeev> and slack it up on it
[23:54] <hoobop> don't windows break if you drop them?
[23:55] <hoobop> nevermind
[23:55] <hoobop> sorry
[23:55] <jeev> hoobop, not these artificial ass ones
[23:55] <hoobop> jeev, what part are you not happy with?
[23:55] <Cann0n> i just need tno download 64bit slackware 13 dvd
[23:55] <jeev> look at me, i'm home on a friday night trying to fix windows 7
[23:55] <hoobop> ah
[23:55] <jeev> the life of having a grrrrrfriend
[23:55] <hoobop> the windows part
[23:55] <jeev> even if i didn't have a girlfriend i'd be home :)
[23:56] <jeev> hoobop, uh it's just annoying
[23:56] <jeev> the user interface
[23:56] <hoobop> i haven't seen it yet
[23:56] <jeev> http://www.picimg.com/uploads/99d3445e8c9b5dfb160f81a21c39b437.png
[23:56] <Cann0n> jeev: i'm sitting here trying to restore what rsync -a -r --delete did when i didn't tab far enough into my slackware/
[23:56] <hoobop> is it an aero thing?
[23:56] <jeev> sort of beebop
[23:56] <jeev> lol
[23:56] <jeev> Cann0n. / ?
[23:56] <hoobop> lol
[23:57] <hoobop> just call me dizzy
[23:57] <hoobop> or bird
[23:57] <hoobop> it'll work itself out
[23:57] <jeev> are those your gang names or affiliations
[23:57] <hoobop> not sure what the right answer would be
[23:58] <Cann0n> jeev: yeah, i was trying to set up sbchroot so i can compile 64bit apps without the multilib wrenches thrown in the engine
[23:58] <hoobop> what is it that you've posted?
[23:58] <hoobop> is that your desktop?
[23:58] <jeev> hoobop, it's the taskbar, i disabled grouping but it still shows me previews grouping, it's a pathetic operating system
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[23:58] <hoobop> it looks horribly broken
[23:58] <Cann0n> i didn't tab to /home/jack/Slackware/Slackware64-13
[23:58] <hoobop> and horrible
[23:58] <jeev> while i'm in mirc, if my mouse "Accidently" floats out to the taskbar, i'm gonna get a pop up
[23:58] <Cann0n> which had junk in it, hence the --delete
[23:59] <jeev> that's quite unfortunate Cann0n
[23:59] <Cann0n> it took out my local repos, kernel sources, and just about everything slackware related other than my Doc/
[23:59] <hoobop> jeev, so why did you install it? (what were you looking for?)
[23:59] <hoobop> or was it just about trying it out?
[23:59] <jeev> hoobop, vista was sucky
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