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[00:20] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042315]" [00:24] javyn_ (n=avery@adsl-70-242-7-115.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:27] hm [00:27] anyone able to see flash in screwattack.com? [00:27] youtube works fine but not screwattack :| [00:31] that site just horribly sucks [00:31] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:33] meh [00:34] Dominian, nix_chix0r straterra alives? [00:34] i killed them all [00:35] Dominian, broke mirror1, nix_chix0r failed to give me a pony, and straterra showed me nasty pics [00:36] lol [00:37] Ficthe (n=grieve@cpe-24-92-71-240.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: "Bell Well" [00:37] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-172-231.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [00:37] edman007: wtf, sir, you should be in bed! [00:37] :X [00:37] i'm gonna ..... go down stairs and get a brownie brb [00:37] guys i'm having a bit of trouble with open office 3.1.. using the SB script I keep getting a shared lib error for libsqlite3.so [00:38] nah, i got two cases i red bull, this week i'm going to be online forever [00:38] i even created a symlink for it [00:38] and made sure ldconfig is picking it up.. but the error remains [00:38] anyways, right now i'm upgrading to -current [00:38] and trying to not follow directions... [00:38] crucimus (n=crucimus@cpe-075-182-070-253.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:39] so i upgrade glibc in runlevel 4 and do everything with slackpkg [00:39] gregsparc_ (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [00:39] just make sure you got tar-1.22 and xz utils installed :) [00:39] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:39] tar? [00:40] yeah tar [00:40] -current has moved its packages to .txz [00:40] Nick change: gregsparc_ -> gregsparc [00:40] only ones i did were glibc, and then slackpkg wanted findutils and coreutils [00:40] well i'm on slamd64...i don't think fred did it yet [00:40] what are you doing here then... [00:40] jk [00:41] #slamd64 is dead [00:41] as usual [00:41] my friends are in a temporary coma, all i have is you guys [00:41] aww [00:41] group hug [00:41] you make it sound... so sweet [00:41] oh, and lots and lots of red bull...keeps comas away [00:42] screw that, i want a dutch rudder if we're all going to get together [00:42] tecky, that sounds like something straterra does.. [00:42] edman007: i went from red bull to monster :x [00:42] hey so anyone encountered any issues with libsqlite while building a pkg for openoffice? [00:42] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:42] using SB script [00:42] Shrp_, openoffice can blow me [00:42] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfQk34rY6ck [00:43] ed ^^^^^^ thats a dutch rudder [00:43] Hey edman007 [00:43] firebird619, hi [00:43] evening fire [00:43] hey tecky [00:43] Shrp_: are you using the openoffice from slackbuilds.org? [00:44] tecky, yea...thats what i thought, that is something straterra would do... [00:44] edman007: LOL [00:44] edman007: dont laugh too much now [00:45] so, from what i heard pat is taking out BX eh!? [00:45] /happydance [00:45] bx? [00:45] Shrp_, its a good thing [00:45] xchat FTW [00:45] bitchX? [00:45] yes [00:45] yes [00:45] tecky: amen to that. :P [00:45] edman007: irssi you xclicking weetard [00:45] irssi is ugly [00:46] not if you theme it. [00:46] so's xchat [00:46] it can be very nice [00:46] firebird619: makes me a ss of your irssi :X [00:46] go try weechat. :P [00:46] mmm no [00:46] lol [00:46] irssi is my home [00:46] get Khaled to port mIRC to *nix :P [00:46] omg, now i can't listen to music...stupid upgrade broke mplayer :( [00:46] firebird619, negative on the car, hahaha [00:46] been using it since 0.97 of bx [00:46] i dunno why i thought i got that. [00:46] edman007: LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [00:47] jeev: aww that sucks. [00:47] it's cool man, not that i cant afford it [00:47] edman007: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp [00:47] i just dont like luxury cars cause i can borrow them whenever i want, why pay? i'm always lugging shit around so my truck owns [00:47] edman007: it helps me sleep better at night [00:47] tecky, lol [00:47] i got mythtv on my laptop... [00:47] ohes? [00:47] how you like it? [00:48] tecky, like heaven, only better [00:48] i been meaning to try it out instead of the tivo's we own, but as it stands... not sure what the next steps are gonna be for DVR hardware / software [00:48] my tivo contract runs out in 2 - 3 months, soooo [00:48] tecky: here, http://imagebin.org/49528 [00:49] tecky, the only down side is that you can't watch live TV after using mythtv, commercials seriously drive me insane now... [00:49] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [00:49] firebird619: meh, its too green for me :\ [00:49] oh...and i need a bigger drive [00:49] tecky: there's a gazillion irssi themes out there. go searching. [00:49] edman007: newegg has 1tb's on sale for $70 [00:50] What can I use as a cpu/processor benchmarking tool for linux? [00:50] firebird619: yah i know, i'm what you call ' clinicly l-a-z-y ' [00:50] Shingoshi: Pie ? [00:50] tecky, yea... i think i'm going to build a dedicated box soon enough, would need 10TB lol [00:50] tecky: get an iphone, there's an app for that. :P [00:50] pie is a program? [00:51] edman007: at the current price of hd's i would almost be willing to dump 2x 1tb's into the box [00:51] stealth- (n=stealth@unaffiliated/stealth-) left ##slackware. [00:51] seasonsalt (n=briareus@ip68-98-236-127.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:51] Shingoshi: I would hope so, it calculates pie out as far as you tell it... and gives you the time it took in cpu cycles [00:51] ok [00:51] ie. pie to 100000 decimals etc.. etc.. [00:51] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-71-202-96-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [00:52] seasonsalt (n=briareus@ip68-98-236-127.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:52] tecky, i got no pie :( [00:52] tecky: For $140, it wouldn't be wise not to buy the disks and create a RAID1 like mine. [00:52] meh, so freaking awake tongiht [00:52] shin, what are you talking about ? [00:52] the myth box? [00:53] edman007: you want a brownie, the fiancee mades it! [00:53] yea! [00:53] kk come over! [00:53] k [00:53] where are you? [00:53] upstate ny [00:53] :| [00:53] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) joined ##slackware. [00:53] tecky: >> edman007: at the current price of hd's i would almost be willing to dump 2x 1tb's into the box [00:54] how far? i'm near brewster... [00:54] Shingoshi: yes? your implying for $140 2tb's wouldn't be worth it? [00:54] edman007: 1 hour north of albany (south glens falls) [00:54] No. I would be a mistake not to do it. [00:54] tecky, oh...that is upstate :( [00:54] edman007: indeed, and i just drove to boston 4x saturday :\ [00:55] my mom is in kingston, thats about as far as i go... [00:55] well ... 2x, 1 there 1 back, 1 there 1 back [00:55] hmm kingston is south of albany isn't it? [00:55] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [00:55] south west** [00:55] yea...south east i think... [00:55] hrm [00:55] It's on the west side of the Hudson river, near Tarrytown. [00:55] ya i thought so [00:56] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:56] its south of troy*let* [00:56] i.e toilet [00:56] Action: Shingoshi is an ex-NYer [00:56] Asmadeus_ (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [00:56] agh [00:56] <=- going to RPI soon*ish* [00:56] is there a way I can set perms on my /mnt/mp3player so that when I plug it in non-root can use it? [00:56] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.221) joined ##slackware. [00:57] oh, it is south west, only a little west though [00:58] briareus: are you saying when you plug it in your manually mounting it or its auto mounted ? [00:58] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:58] tecky: Wait a minute. I think I'm wrong about the location. [00:58] I manually mount it [00:58] tecky: ^ [00:58] phillipsm (n=phillips@173-20-30-55.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [00:59] neo10010 (n=neo@d14-69-67-96.try.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [00:59] briareus: you could give the user / group permissions to the /mnt/mp3**** directory [00:59] I tried, but as root it would not let me alter /mnt/mp3player [00:59] mmmmmmmmm [00:59] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:59] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:00] example: [01:00] root@slackbook1420:/mnt# chmod 775 /mnt/sansa/ [01:00] yet [01:00] Asmadeus_ (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:00] drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 1980-01-01 00:00 AUDIBLE/ [01:01] it seems root can neither change the perms or ownership [01:01] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: "firefox errored again!!!" [01:01] briareus: hmm if you do 777 what happens ? [01:01] same perms as above [01:01] your just trying to read the directory right? [01:01] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-080-010.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [01:02] er read whats in the directory [01:02] I want my user to be able to load music to it and not have to be root [01:02] well well well [01:02] chown it to another user? [01:02] looks like i got screwattack working [01:03] chown it to a group aswell w/ that user included [01:03] tried it. cannot [01:03] tried to chown it to briareus:users [01:03] remains root root [01:03] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [01:03] phillipsm (n=phillips@173-20-30-55.client.mchsi.com) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/" [01:04] Action: Shingoshi has trouble finding pie: http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+pie+benchmark&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a [01:04] briareus: what filesystem type? [01:04] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) joined ##slackware. [01:04] briareus: ' cd /mnt ' & ' chmod 777 sansa/ ' ' ls -la | sansa ' [01:04] /dev/sdb on /mnt/sansa type vfat (rw) [01:04] http://slackwiki.org/Windows_Partitions is probably going to be what you need. [01:04] yep [01:04] ya vfat [01:04] go to rworkman's site [01:05] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) left ##slackware. [01:05] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.150) joined ##slackware. [01:05] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [01:05] thanks [01:05] eross (n=jtanner@6532142hfc81.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:06] echelon (n=steerpik@189.146.81.205) joined ##slackware. [01:06] U-Neeks (n=hell@201-34-193-182.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:06] rworkman: am i allowed here now? :\ [01:06] do I need to run groupadd to make a group or can I simply add a line to /etc/group with a unique uuid? [01:06] i don't even remember what i did [01:07] in being overly aggressive in trying to transform my slack 12.2 to an awesome machine, somewhere I screwed it up. I can't even launch pidgin from a command line, and firefox complains of glibc errors. [01:07] is there a way I can regress my system? [01:07] eross: do the pkgtools scripts work? (installpkg, removepkg, upgradepkg) [01:07] eross: http://rlworkman.net/howtos/glibc-recovery [01:07] I've tried with groupadd in the past and had strange results, and I'm about to try it again, but I thought i'd ask first [01:08] actually, what antiwire said [01:08] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:08] echelon: I don't know. Are you? [01:08] they should, i used slackpkg to reinstall dbus-glib and it kind of helped [01:08] ule (n=somebody@unaffiliated/ule) joined ##slackware. [01:08] rworkman: lol i don't know [01:08] tecky: This seems to be using only one core of my quad. What can I use to test a quad? [01:08] you said it was a permban [01:08] I'm sure they can fix that [01:08] I thought it (is) was. Maybe the bot is dead. [01:08] Shingoshi: i thought they had a option to use multi-cores ? [01:09] Shingoshi: check that there's not a flag or something that you might have missed [01:09] can't we talk about this? [01:09] rworkman: unixfool was working on the bot today I think. [01:09] rworkman: unixfool upgraded slackboy today. [01:09] repsol (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:09] ule (n=somebody@unaffiliated/ule) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:09] hello again chopp [01:09] hey firebird619 [01:10] It seems to me that if someone found that a permban was removed they would just stfu and be happy that it was gone [01:10] echelon: Not here and not now. You need to talk with unixfool and go from there. [01:10] one would think [01:10] antiwire: yeah. [01:10] oh, so i should leave then? [01:10] rworkman: You seem busy so feel free to ignore me, but I'm curious, where did you learn dmask=0002,fmask=0113 specifically for vfat? [01:10] /agree w/ antiwire [01:10] but you were the one that set the ban [01:10] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [01:11] anyone got a binary of zsnes? using slamd64 and... [01:11] echelon: perhaps it was a result of anxiety, but does it matter? [01:11] echelon: well, in the meantime, that's what I would suggest. I'll mention it to Ron and we'll see. [01:11] hmm, alright [01:12] so how would i find out when i should come back? [01:12] darn it what is the file that you specify screen res? I thought it was xorg.conf [01:12] We know how to find you. :) [01:12] lol [01:12] ok [01:12] just looking for a binary of zsnes8 [01:12] echelon (n=steerpik@189.146.81.205) left ##slackware. [01:12] lf4: modes or modelines in xorg.conf [01:13] that was a mistake post [01:13] lf4: also xrandr [01:13] the last one, anyways [01:14] Has anyone tried ratpoison on slackware? [01:14] poona: yeah, my slackware was impervious, didn't die or anything [01:15] just kidding obviously [01:15] briareus: were you able to set a background image in your ratpoison. it looks like it doens't allow you to set a background image. but on searching in the www, it looks like it is possible [01:15] sorry I was making a bad joke; apparently it seemed like I had tried ratpoison, sorry I havent [01:16] briareus: oh. np. [01:17] briareus: dont have a modes or modelines in xorg.conf [01:18] could i just recover from the cd [01:18] Its weird I go to reboot my system and it reset back to 800x600 lol [01:18] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [01:18] is it a brand new install lf4 ? [01:19] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@75.42.93.182) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:19] briareus: No this has been running for a while and never had this issue before [01:19] lf4: try 'xrandr' with no arguments at commandline. It should tell you some current settings, as well as minimum/maximum [01:19] Bugz_ (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-16.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:19] you *can* use xrandr to change settings, I did it today, badly :) [01:19] briareus: says its "canot open display" [01:19] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-93-182.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:20] are you in X or a tty right now [01:20] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [01:20] I meant run it in a terminal while in X, I think as user [01:20] tty0 lol I cant stand x being 800x600 [01:20] DISPLAY=:0 xrandr [--arguments] [01:20] oh [01:21] you *can* use xrandr to modify settings on the fly [01:21] briareus@slackbook1420:/musik/artists$ xrandr [01:21] Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 2960 x 1050, maximum 2960 x 1050 [01:21] and more below that [01:22] Bugz___ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-87-16.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:22] the stuff below that will be VGA if you have a monitor or LVDS if you have a laptop (or in my case both since I have a external monitor in my laptop) [01:22] xrandr on my system sometimes gets horked up, if I'm running a fullscreen SDL app and it crashes [01:23] the monitor will be left in whatever res the SDL app was using, but xranr will report it's still 1680x1050 [01:23] canyouscore (n=canyousc@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:23] strange [01:23] to fix it I just use xrandr to set the res to 800x600 or something, then again to switch to 1680x1050, and all is well [01:24] see I had it set for 1680x1050 but now its running 1024x768 from what xrandr reports [01:25] rworkman: if I set as your link specifies, replug/remount the device, relogin as user to reset the user/group perms, should I then be able to load music as user? Because I cannot, but I don't know if it requires a full restart [01:25] stealth- (n=stealth@unaffiliated/stealth-) joined ##slackware. [01:25] slackware has to be installed via a floppy set? [01:26] no [01:26] not since about 1997, no [01:26] lol stealth- back in the 90's it did [01:26] oh, must be reading the tutorial wrong,then [01:26] lol [01:26] (or maybe closer to 1994... when did the first CD-ROM version come out?) [01:26] my trollage sense is tingly [01:27] yeah, and what's this kernel 2.2 thingy I keep reading about? [01:27] Asmadeus_ (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [01:27] i started using slackware in 1995 [01:28] it came out in 94' [01:28] heh... my first slackware install ever was a 1.2 kernel, whole OS fit on a 120M hard drive with room for data [01:28] antiwire: no, that was an honest question [01:28] cd was useable in 98 / 99 / 00 [01:28] ok [01:28] stealth-: you probably are reading a really really old tutorial [01:29] Urchlay: ugh ... 120mb hd, i can remember when i had a 12mb hd and i thought i was the shit [01:29] stealth-: yeah...that's an OLD tutorial [01:29] Urchlay: I still have my Conner brand 120MB hard drive, still works (if I could find something to mount it in) [01:29] I went straight from 720k floppies to a 120M drive [01:29] oh lol, okay. I switched tutorials, anyways :) [01:30] (before that, many years of 90k, 130k, and 180k flippy floppies) [01:30] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:30] i have slackware 1.0 or some low low version on a Zip disk somewhere around here [01:30] ah, here comes the rain! [01:30] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [01:30] edman007: you crash on me ? [01:30] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:31] tecky, no... [01:31] i'm trying to make mplayer build [01:31] i figured you pass'd out :P [01:31] its not playing well with gtk :( [01:31] I still have an InfoMagic CD with Slack 1.0 (or was it something hinky like 0.95?) [01:31] and watching old star trek episodes [01:31] edman007: meh [01:32] i'm a evil person now, i dont run slackware anymore, went to ubuntu for desktop, and debian for my servers :\ [01:32] Ahhh [01:32] lol tecky why did you do that? [01:32] tecky, ewww [01:33] An excommunication is in order it seems. [01:33] lf4: cuz i went from slackware -> freebsd -> openbsd -> debian -> slackware (for many many years) then -> windows xp -> ubuntu [01:33] tecky: are you going to take part in Canonical's unfree closed source cloud thing? [01:33] Is anyone here fiddling with linux 2.6.29.3? [01:33] Linux slackbook1420 2.6.29.3 #1 SMP Mon May 11 21:46:01 MST 2009 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7500 @ 2.20GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [01:33] :) [01:33] eross (n=jtanner@6532142hfc81.tampabay.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [01:34] okay, Im very confused. Im not sure exactly what im supposed to download and burn :S. is there no iso file or something? [01:34] Linux Dell-Desktop 2.6.28-11-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 01:57:59 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux [01:34] :X [01:34] caoliver: that was a yes :) [01:34] briarus: How's that working for you? [01:34] stealth-: there's either a DVD iso or a set of 6 CD isos... but you generally have to use bittorrent [01:34] I figured as much. [01:34] Linux xtracta 2.6.24.5 #1 PREEMPT Fri May 23 00:05:05 CEST 2008 ppc 7400, altivec supported PowerMac3,1 GNU/Linux [01:34] caoliver: so far flawlessly [01:34] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425465.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:34] PPC?!? ZOMG! [01:34] Urchlay: okay, where can I find the bittorent links for the 6 cd isos? [01:34] lol [01:34] caoliver: at least as far as I can tell [01:35] stealth-: on the slackware FTP site [01:35] Urchlay: why 6 cd's? thats ALOT [01:35] or 1 dvd [01:35] oh yeah Linux XXX 2.4.35.4 #3 Mon Oct 20 12:53:10 PDT 2008 mips unknown [01:35] 6 cd's for slack now? [01:35] holy poo on a stick [01:35] SIX? [01:35] errr, wait, maybe not on the slackware ftp site [01:35] God's Potatoes that's just nutty [01:35] last i remember it was 2, one install + one extras / source(s) [01:35] come one...it's 6 total...including sources... [01:35] the first three are the binaries, the last three are source and not needed for a full install [01:35] (i think) [01:36] ah ok [01:36] yeah for my 12.1 I used three [01:36] I have most of my boxen on Slamd64, but the firewall is an eeepc, so it has a very tiny busybox based system. I tried ...28.10, but was having problems with the ether on the i'net side dropping dhcp every now and then. It worked find unser 2.6.24.7. [01:36] meh [01:36] Urchlay: I found them [01:36] neo10010 (n=neo@d14-69-67-96.try.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "Leaving" [01:36] s/unser/under. [01:36] I'd like to install debian here [01:37] tuvok302_zzz (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-236.dial.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:37] I was going to go to 2.6.27.23, but I needed the atl2 driver, and it's not a clean patch on ...27.23. [01:37] I would go back to slack, i just haven't had time to mess around with this system, just purchased it and got it running things i needed quickly back online. When I get to RPI I'll more than likely switch back to slackware instead of ubuntu I'm sure [01:37] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [01:37] hello [01:37] does anyone of you guys have or use a print server usb2eth dongle ? [01:37] i have a question for you [01:38] Urchlay: do I need all 6 cd's to install? [01:38] Asmadeus1 (n=asmadeus@nat/ecp/x-5b729539e7149950) joined ##slackware. [01:38] stealth-: no [01:38] stealth-: you need 1,2,3 [01:38] I have a HP LJ w/ Jetdirect here so not me [01:38] briareus: oh, okay. that makes some more sense [01:38] No. I have an edub-100 dongle, but I don't thing that's what you mean. [01:38] briareus: why so many, though? [01:38] tecky, usb ? [01:38] stealth-: are you speaking about debian ? [01:38] Agiofws: no [01:38] stealth-: honestly, you really only need cd1, but you will want 2 and 3, trust me. [01:38] arenics: no, slackware [01:38] eth [01:38] hmm [01:38] briareus: k [01:38] briareus: just extra software and such? [01:38] briareus: whats on disk 2 / 3 ? [01:39] i always just used disk 1 [01:39] you only need disk 1-3...the rest is just crap [01:39] i'm sure pat move'd a bunch of stuff off 1 and put it on 2 + 3 [01:39] stealth-: since slackware doesn't employ the sorts of automation that other distros do, you will take a long time to install any of that stuff from cd2&3 than if you just install them first time outright [01:39] stealth-: so install 1,2,3 [01:39] briareus: ah, okay. [01:40] Is there any reason you're not getting the DVD fmt? [01:40] stealth-: the benefit is, most of what I need is already on the system, and slackware doesn't feel the need to install so much cruft and every app's third uncle dependency, so even with all of cd1,2,3, you don't have a massive bloated system [01:40] caoliver: dvd's overkill ? [01:41] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:41] DVD ::= complete distro in one chunk. [01:41] well thanks for the help, guys. Guess ill head to bed now and check on those torrents in the morning [01:41] stealth- (n=stealth@unaffiliated/stealth-) left ##slackware. [01:41] eek [01:42] honestly, my torrents for slack took so damn long I started a regular download and got it all much faster, as I recall [01:42] at least I think so [01:42] rworkman: around? [01:42] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-164-37.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:42] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [01:42] I've no idea if Stealth has good broadband or not. [01:42] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:43] since he's stealthy he probably doesn't [01:43] :) [01:43] he's probably using smoke signals that only hopi can decipher [01:43] I wouldn't want to download software via smoke signal. [01:43] and there is only so much bandwidth in a pigeon-bus [01:43] (Holy baud rate, Batman) [01:44] lol [01:46] one thing I always liked about apple was how they matched their hamsterwheel processors to their pigeon-bus [01:46] canyouscore (n=canyousc@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:46] hm. Going from smoke signals to signal drums would have represented a major bandwidth upgrade in prehistoric times, no? [01:46] ok, seriously, I'm wondering if one of you can help me sort something [01:46] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.221) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:46] Hey! I sorta miss the old SE30s. Not much guts, but cute-ish. [01:47] I followed rworkman's page here http://slackwiki.org/Windows_Partitions for my vfat mp3player. [01:47] Sort? N ln N [01:47] I created a group 'sansa:x:111:briareus' [01:48] /dev/sdb /mnt/sansa vfat rw,gid=111,dmask=0002,fmask=0113 0 0 [01:48] Ok. You're mounting a player as USB storage? [01:48] then I relogged in as user and replugged/mounted the sansa mp3player, but i still can't rw as user [01:48] weird xorgsetup wont even add modes to the screen section of my xorg.conf file. [01:48] Who owns it? [01:48] caoliver: root:root [01:48] Asmadeus_ (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:49] lf4: I had better luck with X --configure [01:49] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-159-125.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [01:49] And perms are wrong for a mortal to write it? [01:49] or xorgconfig [01:49] rworkman: you still around? [01:49] obnauticus (i=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [01:49] caoliver: well, the reason I had to use rworkman's page is that i can't change ownership/perms of /mnt/sansa [01:50] so here's my question: Do the changes to /etc/fstab require a system restart or should I be able to jumpstart it with the changes I made? [01:50] I think you can give mount a switch to set the gid and uid. [01:51] (I though relogging as user would have set user briareus into sansa:x:111:briareus and thus the rw,gid=111,dmask=0002,fmask=0113 but apparently its not enough [01:53] if you type "groups" does the sansa group show up? [01:53] Did you log out and log back in. Supplemental groups are set in the login shell. [01:53] root@slackbook1420:~# groups [01:53] (no, changing /etc/fstab doesn't require a reboot, unless you change the device that get mounted on /) [01:53] root bin daemon sys adm disk wheel floppy audio video cdrom tape plugdev [01:53] ...no [01:53] well there's your problem [01:54] hmmm [01:54] figure out why not, fix it, and you should be OK [01:54] What does 'id' tell you? [01:54] meh [01:55] well, at first I thought I required running 'groupadd' or whatever, but rworkman's page says: "First, create a special group called "windows" (change the name if you wish) by adding it to /etc/group using your favorite editor and add to this group the users you want to have write access." [01:55] so I did only that. [01:55] I only edited /etc/group [01:55] and id does not show me (briareus) in that group [01:55] check your typing in /etc/group [01:56] sansa:x:111:briareus [01:56] /dev/sdb /mnt/sansa vfat rw,gid=111,dmask=0002,fmask=0113 0 0 [01:56] groupadd would have added the group to /etc/group for you, then you'd have had to use usermod to add your user to that group. End result would have been the same, unless you make a typo :) [01:56] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:56] ah [01:56] Or vigr. [01:57] (although if you were running something like NIS, groupadd/useradd would have updated the NIS database too...) [01:57] now, here's another bug/feature. I didn't log out completely as briareus, I am still here in X as briareus. I did however go to tty and relogin as briareus there, and then tried. Must I logout as briareus system-wide? [01:57] yeah [01:57] How many non-instittional folk are running yellow pages though? [01:57] ah [01:57] so that's the deal [01:57] well, log out of your primary session (X or whatever) [01:57] s/instittional/institutional/ [01:57] ok I'll try that. thanks Urchlay [01:57] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [01:57] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:58] caoliver: anyone who has to admin a large NIS domain probably needs to be institutionalized after a while :) [01:58] Agree! [01:58] did Linux ever get NIS+ support? [01:58] well said :) [01:58] Did a stint of sysadm for a uni CS dept. [01:59] Was sufficient along with five years of ISP work to render me commitable. [01:59] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [01:59] Is life better? [02:00] back in '99/2000 when I had to deal with NIS, I recall there was some HOWTO that people followed, that resulted in inability to log in as root on workstations if they couldn't talk to the NIS server. Made it damn near impossible to troubleshoot a flaky client... [02:00] briareus@slackbook1420:~$ id [02:00] uid=1000(briareus) gid=100(users) groups=11(floppy),17(audio),18(video),19(cdrom),20(games),100(users),102(vboxusers),111(sansa) [02:00] :) so far so good [02:00] behold! [02:00] We had our suns with local root, and fetched only reg users from YP. [02:01] briareus@slackbook1420:/musik/artists$ cp -r Madvillain/ /mnt/sansa/MUSIC/ [02:01] cp: cannot create directory `/mnt/sansa/MUSIC/Madvillain': Permission denied [02:01] grrr [02:01] caoliver: that would have been the sane way to set things up... which was too much to ask for at this old job I had [02:02] Curious. [02:02] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:02] Do an 'ls -ld /mnt/sansa' please. [02:02] could have been worse: I worked at a shop that didn't use NIS, where user IDs weren't synced (user "urchlay" might be UID 1000 on one workstation but UID 1001 on the server. Ugh.) [02:02] drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 1969-12-31 17:00 /mnt/sansa/ [02:03] Ok. Are you mounting it manually? [02:03] yes [02:03] chmod 0775 /mnt/sansa ; chgrp sansa /mnt/sansa # perhapd? [02:03] s/pd/ps/ [02:03] I don't think that works with VFAT. [02:03] it won't let me change permissions on it, even as root, taht's why rworkman sent me to his page [02:03] oh, vfat [02:04] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("()"). [02:04] well, if you don't care about security, add 'umask=000' to the line in /etc/fstab [02:04] That shouldn't be necessary. [02:05] superGear (i=supergea@71-212-184-180.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: [02:05] briareus: mf doom? [02:05] root@slackbook1420:~# groups [02:05] root bin daemon sys adm disk wheel floppy audio video cdrom tape plugdev [02:05] ? [02:05] (I mean, if you're the only user on your box, not much to worry about... and if you get broken into and owned, then having your music collection deleted is the least of your worries) [02:05] still not there as a group [02:05] What does the output of mount look like? (Just the line about the sansa.) [02:05] /dev/sdb on /mnt/sansa type vfat (rw) [02:05] eh, because you ran that command as root. You didn't run it as briareus... [02:06] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.34.59) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:06] but notice the group isn't in 'groups' output [02:06] not for root, no [02:06] (not that it matters, for root) [02:06] oh [02:06] briareus@slackbook1420:/musik/artists$ groups [02:06] users floppy audio video cdrom games vboxusers sansa [02:06] there we go [02:06] hmm, this is odd [02:06] argh. I gotta go to the store. BBL... [02:07] I mean I've been doing it as root (moving music) for weeks, I'm just tired of it [02:07] Action: Urchlay goes for cigs [02:07] I think you're missing the uid/gid/mode switches somehow, 'cos they should have shown up in the mount output. [02:07] Understood. [02:07] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:07] did you "mount /mnt/sansa" or did you explicitly "mount /dev/sdb /mnt/sansa" as root? 'cause explicitly giving the device and mount point, means /etc/fstab doesn't come into play [02:08] Bravo. [02:08] hrm, now that I restarted X, I no longer have that url of his, maybe in my cache though [02:08] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-174-141.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:08] umount it (as root), then as your user, "mount /mnt/sansa" to get the /etc/fstab stuff read [02:08] mount /dev/sdb /mnt/sansa [02:08] that's what I'm doing [02:08] don't do that [02:08] oh [02:08] The switches are also in the mount manpage. [02:08] just "mount /mnt/sansa", as your non-root user [02:08] beantmt (n=bean@166-70-62-135.ip.xmission.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:08] So the fstab switches are ignored. [02:08] lemme know how it worked out when I get back... [02:08] as non-root! oooookkk [02:09] briareus@slackbook1420:/musik/artists$ mount /mnt/sansa/ [02:09] mount: only root can mount /dev/sdb on /mnt/sansa [02:09] briareus: http://slackwiki.org/Windows_Partitions is the page [02:09] I think you need a user switch as well for non-roots to mount. [02:09] I emulated this line of his: [02:09] /dev/hda1 /mnt/win98 vfat rw,gid=102,dmask=0002,fmask=0113 0 0 [02:10] /dev/sdb /mnt/sansa vfat rw,gid=111,dmask=0002,fmask=0113 0 0 [02:10] no should be able to flag using a group [02:10] he just needs to give the group the perm [02:10] beantmt (n=bean@166-70-62-135.ip.xmission.com) joined ##slackware. [02:10] chown root:sansa /mnt/sansa/ ? [02:11] Also add 'group' to those mount params, so you can mount it as your normal self. [02:11] Snap! [02:11] huh? [02:11] bri 'ls -la /mnt/sansa ' && ' cat /etc/fstab | grep sansa ' [02:11] drwxrwxr-x 2 root sansa 4096 2008-10-20 19:54 ./ [02:11] drwxr-xr-x 13 root root 4096 2009-03-14 22:14 ../ [02:12] ( I just ran drwxrwxr-x 2 root sansa 4096 2008-10-20 19:54 ./ [02:12] oops [02:12] I just ran root@slackbook1420:~# chown root:sansa /mnt/sansa/ as an experiment [02:12] thus taht odd output [02:12] my fstab line is: [02:12] /dev/sdb /mnt/sansa vfat rw,gid=111,dmask=0002,fmask=0113 0 0 [02:12] Alright could someone take a look at my xorg.conf setup? It seems to be stuck on 800x600 yet xrandr says its 1024x768. http://pastebin.ca/1427196 [02:12] right, and the group you made is which sansa ? or windows ? or what? [02:12] sansa:x:111:briareus [02:13] it's not that I just arbitrarily picked 111 for both is it? [02:14] No. [02:14] didn't think so but confused enough to check :) [02:14] lf4: just curious, but which nvidia card? [02:14] wouldn't you want to do ' chown -R root:sansa /mnt/sansa/ ' ? [02:14] rgouveia (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. [02:14] oh, right [02:14] You do want to change the params to rw,gid=111,dmask=0002,fmask=0113,group though. [02:14] since it is /mnt/sansa/MUSIC [02:14] firebird619: BFG 9500GT [02:15] but tecky on rworkman's page he doesn't have any perm changing like that, unless I miss it [02:15] I even reinstalled the nvidia drivers thinking maybe that would fix the issue but nope lol [02:15] tecky: it's a vfat. chmod and chown por nada. [02:15] lf4: Are you sure it's using 24bit, that's the only section you have the Modes line in? [02:15] because according to Urchlay I should now be able to mount the device as non-root [02:15] caoliver: to me it sounded like he was force mounting it w/ a ' mount /dev/* /mnt/* ' [02:16] tis why i said such [02:16] firebird619: It was working before as 24bit at 1680x1050 which is why I dont understand it wont accept again. [02:16] since he's already changing perms on the directory sturcture [02:16] structure** [02:16] I was manually mounting with: mount /dev/sdb /mnt/sansa [02:16] superGear (i=1000@71-212-184-180.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [02:16] (before tonight) [02:16] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:16] lf4: before as in what, before something you did? [02:16] like i said, which takes /etc/fstab outta the situation [02:16] lf4: here's mine fwiw, http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13828 [02:16] yeah, that's teh last thing Urchlay said [02:17] firebird619: Firefox locked up and rebooted lol then this big mess happened haha [02:17] at the moment its not mounted by anyone [02:17] lf4: hahaha [02:17] briareus: so if you umount it and then try to mount /mnt/sansa whats the result ? [02:17] tecky: as root or user [02:17] should be able to do it as root and the perms get set using /etc/fstab [02:17] Good. Try mounting it as briarus. [02:17] arenics (i=1000@unaffiliated/arenics) left irc: ""fuiii !"" [02:18] tried it as root first [02:18] root@slackbook1420:~# mount /mnt/sansa/ [02:18] root@slackbook1420:~# [02:18] Channel flood from briareus -- kicking [02:18] all good [02:18] briareus kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [02:18] everything, if put in /etc/fstab and correct should mount and give that group that you've setup the correct read/write perms [02:18] firebird619: I lost my nice looking system and got an 800x600 screen that is streching accros my display haha [02:18] lol [02:18] I expected htat/ [02:18] lf4: And before the crash, it worked without the modes line? [02:18] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [02:18] wb briareus [02:18] caoliver: lol :P [02:18] umounted, now as briareus [02:18] briareus@slackbook1420:~$ mount /mnt/sansa/ [02:18] firebird619: No I had the modes line in all of them before and for some odd reason it cleared them out lol [02:18] mount: only root can mount /dev/sdb on /mnt/sansa [02:19] bojevnik (n=Bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [02:19] lf4: you might try adding them again? [02:19] Add "group" to the mount params in /etc/fstab. [02:19] I'll try that again :) [02:19] hmmm if i'm not mistaken you need to have the group in the mount perms for the /etc/fstab line ? [02:19] lf4: ok, good luck. let me know if it works. [02:19] aye .. .like caoliver said and i repeated :P [02:19] WAIT [02:19] tecky: :check it out [02:19] root@slackbook1420:~# mount /mnt/sansa/ [02:19] root@slackbook1420:~# [02:19] briareus@slackbook1420:~$ cp -R /musik/artists/Madvillain/ /mnt/sansa/MUSIC/ [02:19] Channel flood from briareus -- kicking [02:19] briareus@slackbook1420:~$ [02:19] briareus kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [02:20] Worked? [02:20] oh dear [02:20] lol [02:20] firebird619: I'll be sure to :) editing it right now... *sigh* [02:20] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [02:20] so it did work that way [02:20] briareus: use pastebin : ) [02:20] briareus: use pastebin :P [02:20] sorry, figured someone would talk over me and I'd squeak through [02:20] briareus: ' ls -la /mnt/sansa/MUSIC/ ' [02:20] I was going to say, sending config lines would be clearer by pastebin. [02:20] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [02:20] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-080-010.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:21] tecky: this time I'll pastebin it [02:21] pastebin pastebin pastebin .... there's an echo in here. [02:21] briareus: pastebin.slackadelic.com if you don't have another one. [02:21] lol [02:21] http://pastebin.com/d650bb173 [02:22] don't know if it was the chmod as root:sansa or not [02:22] should I leave that? [02:22] hrm [02:22] umount it then ' mount /mnt/sansa ' [02:22] and see what happens [02:22] That looks right. And you've got snasa as a supplemental gid? [02:22] errr... sansa. [02:22] snasa ? wtf fat fingered it? [02:23] umount, remount, ls -la provides same output as my pastebin [02:23] aye [02:23] laptop keyboard + 2am brain [02:23] caoliver: that's nothing. The other day I fatfinger would into doulw [02:23] and if you go in that dir of mad**** you have files w/ filesizes > 0 right? [02:23] caoliver: i dont blame you then [02:24] -rw-rw-r-- 1 root sansa 3946594 2009-05-18 23:19 07_-_Madvillain_-_Monkey_Suite.mp3 [02:24] yep [02:24] ya so your good then [02:24] I wonder if that chown root:sansa is what did it or if I should keep that. I'll try later [02:24] I should crash. Guess I'll see if my firewall still falls over even after the kernel upgrade. [02:24] ttyl. [02:24] thanks so much you gaggle of geniuses. I'd kiss you if it wasn't so gay. [02:24] caoliver: bai [02:24] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [02:24] thanks caoliver [02:25] ah [02:25] briareus: ... lets not and call it a day [02:25] oh well [02:25] night guys ,later.be well all [02:25] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [02:25] firebird619: no such luck... :( humm I'll need to mess around with this a lot more it seems. [02:25] I love watching Hoosiers, I can't even tell you how many times I have seen it and loved it, and I don't like basketball at all. [02:26] lf4: got the right module mounted? [02:26] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:26] erm, loaded [02:26] (been typing mount too many times in the last hour) [02:26] I am unsure why, but someone here once told me it is not helping much by using Slamd64... though I still use Slackware. [02:26] hello all [02:26] dchmelik: huh ? [02:26] rgouveia_ (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: Connection timed out [02:27] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:27] (Slackware port to AMD64) [02:27] briareus: I think so [02:27] dchmelik, eh, that'd be because it's not an official part of the project [02:27] Hey Old_Fogie [02:27] hi Old_Fogie [02:27] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:27] :D [02:27] underguiz (n=undergui@unaffiliated/underguiz) joined ##slackware. [02:28] but the code is GPLed, so Slamd64 could easily be used or modified... I just did not know anyone had an issue with it [02:28] briareus: it seems to be loading both the Nvidia and ATI. lsmod shows: agpgart 32584 2 nvidia,ati_agp [02:28] lf4: that's too bad. [02:28] Action: firebird619 waves hello to Old_Fogie [02:28] hmmmm [02:28] dchmelik: yes, i understood what you said, i just wondered about why its not helping much. But as Old_Fogie said, its a "unoffical" port so as far as helping slackware grow + develop its doing none of which [02:28] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.74.59) joined ##slackware. [02:29] lf4: modprobe -r ati_agp ? [02:29] ugh ati hardware! EWW :P [02:29] and is your driver="nvidia" in xorg.conf? [02:29] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bf9d9fb5c50e5bc5) joined ##slackware. [02:29] that is just like saying the unoffical egcs (sp?) could have never helped gcc... but it did. [02:29] not that I want to start a debate [02:30] briareus: yes its nvidia and modprobe gave nothing for that. [02:30] lf4: wait, wha, it's loading ati and nvidia drivers? [02:30] tecky: Yeah I know its onboard ATI.. which is why I got a BFG nVidia card :) [02:30] dchmelik: I don't even know what slamd64 is, but since I'm the sort of armwaving hysterical fanaatic type, I'm now going to burn you with a torch while chanting [02:30] lf4: lol [02:31] dchmelik, your not understanding one fundamental difference here. If you send a patch to slamd64 it's _not_ the same people, same project, nothing. It's a completely diff project. Now, the fellow who runs the project does contrib here,and to the project, but there is the remaining fact, they are not the same. [02:31] lf4: if modprobe gave nothing, lsmod again [02:31] briareus: so it worked? [02:31] lf4: You do have the onboard disabled right? [02:31] no output means good [02:31] Hey Urchlay [02:31] Old_Fogie: thanks, i guess i wasn't explaining it enough :X [02:31] hola fbird [02:31] tecky, :D [02:31] lol briareus its not there anymore so its been removed [02:31] yes firebird619 I disabled the onboard [02:32] Urchlay: I am not sure if it was working as on rworkmans' page alone or if my chmod root:sansa /mnt/sansa did it, but root can mount, user can write. user cannot mount. [02:32] lf4: ok, just a thought. :P [02:32] so good enough [02:32] haha yeah its was a good one :) [02:32] anybody else experienced latest xterm can't load some bold fonts? i was not able to compile it to start error free. urxvt and the xterm before were ok [02:32] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042315]" [02:32] lf4: ok, so restart X if the ati-agp isn't there [02:32] lf4: Was it trying to load ati stuff before? [02:32] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [02:32] Hi Old_Fogie, how are you? [02:32] firebird619: it loaded BOTH nvidia and ati_agp [02:33] briareus: I see that, I asked him if it was loading ati stuff before FF crashed and he starting having this problem. [02:33] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:33] briareus: still stuck at 800x600 [02:33] Old Fogie: it may have been like that with egcs... but maybe egcs was pseudo-official... though at first the gcc team did not like what egcs was doing... then they ended up incorporating much of egcs into gcc. [02:33] dchmelik, and if you filed a bug with slamd and even cc'd Mr. V of Slackware on the email, still does not mean that the error in slamd is existent in Slackware. They're not one in the same. Slackware has no time (I'd presume - I'm putting words in their mouth) to check bugs, and then find out it's a 64bit issue and not 32bit. It would/could waste time, as it's not part of the project. [02:33] oooh, firebird619 I misunderstooderated your question [02:33] firebird619: if I did lsmod it showed.. agpgart 32584 2 nvidia,ati_agp [02:33] lol [02:33] lf4: and that was before this issue started? [02:33] no tht was just now [02:34] just ~10 minutes ago when he posted that [02:34] i never check to see if it loaded both before the issue started [02:34] lf4: Well quite using FF, see what it does. :P [02:34] :) [02:34] firebird619: Haha oh I plan on it lol [02:34] dchmelik, there's nothing 'psuedo' about slamd, it's not the same. [02:34] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [02:34] It'll leave you up a creek without a paddle and your xorg borked. :P [02:34] still waiting to see if slamd64 gets adopted as an official slackware port, but not holding my breath [02:35] lf4: use screen + elinks. :P [02:35] I wonder if a restart would be the answer ... [02:35] lol just like last time remember ;) [02:35] lf4: yup [02:35] well, I use slamd64, but have a slackware subscription - so that helps :) [02:35] lf4: shouldn't have to fully restart [02:35] I think I will actaully try that and see if it works :P [02:36] alisonken1noc, yes the man has to eat, gj :) [02:36] briareus: I like your devotion to Slackware, but I think you are a bit misguided. Old Fogie: your earlier statement seems to say we should use 32-bit for everything. I guess I almost turned this into a debate, which I do not mind as long as we are not rude... I have just always wondered about this topic. One could of course use both and there would be little/no problem reporting bugs. [02:36] briareus: famious last worsd [02:36] I wonder though. If bluewhite64 didn't exist, would slamd64 have gotten canonicalized by now? [02:36] rgouveia (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: Connection timed out [02:36] lf4: Good luck and may the source be with you. [02:36] lf4: just curious: modprobe --list | grep nv [02:36] lf4: is there more than one nvidia ? [02:37] morning firebird619, how's things been? [02:37] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:37] tecky: things have been great. you? [02:37] dchmelik, your being irrational (in the conventional - non controversial definition). Please, get it thru your head (nicely I mean) they're _not_ the same. You're free to use whichever you want, but facts are , what facts are you know what I mean? [02:37] meh, could be better [02:37] dchmelik: this is ##slackware - which means unofficial help for the slackware distribution. Slamd64 is a 64-bit port of slackware, with the philosophy of "It's in slamd64 ONLY IF it's in slackware" , but slamd64 is not part of slackware. Similar to centos and red hat relationship [02:37] dchmelik: I was joking heavily, as I have no devotion to any particular linux flavor :) [02:37] briareus: no there is not [02:38] lf4: ok [02:38] I never said they are the same. One good thing running native 64-bit is you can run BOINC and solve problems in math & computer sci that may eventually help Slackware. [02:38] dchmelik: if this is a attempt at trolling, its a mighty failed one at that [02:38] there are 5 :D haha [02:38] dchmelik: there is in fact a #slamd64 IRC channel on this network... [02:38] I just wanted to know what a few people on IRC thought about this. [02:38] lf4: 5 what [02:38] you can't rationalize irrationality [02:39] (no idea what the original conversation was about though) [02:39] .ko files [02:39] Old_Fogie: No, but you can try dang hard. :P [02:39] lf4: pastebin em, or tell me what they are [02:39] mvidia.ko and what elese [02:39] Old_Fogie: yes you can, a handgun and 1 (or if your a bad shot) or 2 bullets [02:39] firebird619, nah I make very few attempts now, people like dchmelik get 'hell bent' on a concept, and never give up (reminds me of universal healthcare but I digress :) [02:40] tecky: standard security policy is "shoot to stop, 2 bullets to make sure. if (s)he dies, too bad) [02:40] lol [02:40] hey guys [02:40] y0 compl3x [02:40] lf4: you can also add the ati_agp to your /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist [02:40] firebird619: your still on here? :p [02:40] firebird619, so I try 1..2 maybe 3 times tops, then yield,, "fine yea it's a part of slackware , sure yup it's the same thing, yup yup yup" [02:40] compl3x: you bet I am. [02:40] alisonken1noc: is that so? and what security company is this ? so i can steer clear of the officers :) [02:40] briareus: here they are sorry I dont have links up for pastebin [02:40] tecky: I've had cops tell me that [02:40] video/nvidia.ko video/nvidia/nvidiafb.ko video/backlight/mbp_nvidia_bl.ko char/nvram.ko agp/nvidia-agp.ko [02:41] tecky: Uncle Sam :) [02:41] lf4: modprobe nvidia-agp if it will take it [02:41] alisonken1noc: well, thats it, i'm moving to canada! [02:41] lf4: dell studio ? [02:41] alisonken1noc: I've had cops tell me that. "two in the chest, one in the head. they can't deny your story at that point" [02:42] tecky: That's OK - only when deadly force is authorized :) [02:42] char/nvram.ko is not related to nvidia at all, if that helps [02:42] just a coincidence of names [02:42] tecky: dell studio? [02:42] briareus: typically, it's because it's more paperwork if they survive [02:42] lf4: grep driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf [02:42] lf4: I have all those same ones. [02:42] lf4: was asking about the machine, i noticed video/backlight/** [02:42] firebird619: yeah they are standard [02:42] i just wondered [02:43] lf4: sorry. grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf [02:43] Dominus (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Nick collision from services. [02:43] tecky: nope I always built my own systems. [02:43] briareus: he's using nvidia driver, I seen his xorg.conf [02:43] SuN|2 (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [02:43] firebird619: ah ok [02:43] firebird619: shoudl he be setting it to "nvidia-agp"? [02:44] Dude, your Vendor ID in xorg.conf is ATI [02:44] Board Name Radeon [02:44] does that affect it at all? [02:44] briareus: its Driver "nvidia" [02:44] the name identifiers are freeform, don't matter [02:44] firebird619: Haha good call I never saw that before. [02:45] briareus: yeah, I didn't think so either, but thought I'd point it out. [02:45] lf4: what tool did you use? I'd prolly try X --configure or xorgconfig, see which gives you a better config. You mentioned "xorgsetup" before, I never tried that. [02:46] gaah 7:45 am - i want to go back to bed. [02:46] lf4: and as i said, you could add the ati_agp to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist [02:46] compl3x: lol [02:46] Mon May 18 23:46:31 MST 2009 [02:46] briareus: I tried xorgconfig and it messed everything up then I restored the backup. X --configure does not work. [02:46] does not work? [02:46] define does not work [02:46] nope no command [02:47] it wont finish making a config or .... oh wow [02:47] Fatal server error: [02:47] Unrecognized option: --configure [02:47] try it with one - [02:47] xorgconfig is depracated by X --configure [02:47] err.. you get my drift [02:47] vicey versy? [02:47] Old_Fogie: yeah i figured it was [02:48] lf4: it's one - [02:48] xorgconfig is not used any more or the one to use [02:48] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [02:48] Old_Fogie: uh, what? [02:48] should I type it over ? [02:48] I can't tell which one you mean I shouldn't be not using [02:48] :D [02:48] :) [02:48] lol [02:48] firebird619: thanks that worked time to test the new xorg file [02:48] xorgconfig was depracated, X -configure took it's place. right Old_Fogie? [02:49] firebird619, correct [02:49] lf4: Good Luck [02:49] :) [02:49] I can still run both, last I checked, or I could be wrong. Perhaps I dreamt it. [02:49] you dream about configuring xorg? :P [02:50] briareus, I think it's still there, but it's not being fixed/upgraded , a ymmv was my understanding. It's best to use (at least in my opinion) what the Xorg dev's ask us to use. [02:50] ah [02:50] which is X -configure [02:50] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [02:50] yup [02:50] underguiz (n=undergui@unaffiliated/underguiz) left ##slackware. [02:50] if I am understandimatering what you are saying [02:50] understandimatering? [02:51] briareus, use X -configure <-- comprende' ? [02:51] I miss George Bush for his stupid words [02:51] briareus, then cp it's from root's home over to /etc/X11 [02:51] I think GWB was highly misunderestimated [02:51] haha yes!!! a black screen with an X as the mouse I can almost play astroids :) [02:51] lf4: WOOOOOOT [02:51] :P [02:52] lf4: my Pedant-O-Meter is pinging on your misspelling of asteroids [02:52] Humm i just am not having luck with xorg being configured correctly lol [02:52] wait, what's wrong with a black screen [02:52] I am running an all-black style right now [02:52] briareus: nothing when I want to sleep ;) [02:52] well, except for teh words [02:52] lf4: lol [02:52] so what's your current xrandr output [02:52] lf4, did you move the newly created xorg.conf in root's home over to /etc/X11 ? [02:52] try this also: xrandr -prop [02:53] or maybe its --prop [02:53] it's xrandr --prop [02:53] Old_Fogie: No I just did X -config /root/xorg.conf.new [02:54] clever monkey you are [02:54] briareus: I'm not running X at all so xrandr wont work. [02:54] oh [02:54] I misunderstanderated [02:54] lf4: so you just tested the xorg. and no dice. :( [02:55] briareus: you should write a book of these words and send it to GWB [02:55] firebird619: nope the xorg did not work. lol [02:55] lf4, review the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log it should state why it's error'ing out. I'd suggest just moving that file to it's proper place first, it should be placed (and named) as /etc/X11/xorg.conf . [02:55] firebird619: that's the kind of idea that makes a man exuberanticated [02:55] hahaha [02:55] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:56] lf4: hmm, this is perplexing [02:56] briareus's dicionary volume one. :P [02:56] err. dictionary [02:56] fail :p [02:56] compl3x: don't I always? :P [02:56] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [02:56] firebird619: yeah thats true :p [02:56] compl3x: I told you before, it's the keyboard, not me for crying out loud. [02:56] anyway - better shoot- laters compl3x :p [02:57] and blame the keyboard why dont you :p [02:57] lf4> briareus: its Driver "nvidia" <<--- lf4 as in "you're using the binary drivers from nvidia" ???? [02:57] laters firebird619 * [02:57] thats a fail. [02:57] later compl3x [02:57] lf4: what if anything is xorg log telling ya [02:57] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "leaving" [02:57] Old_Fogie: Yes the binary drivers from Nvidia [02:57] lf4: the slackbuild from SBo too? [02:57] briareus: there are no errors in the log file [02:57] if he's using binary blobs from nvidia, he can run X -whatever and he'll get nowehere [02:57] all day long [02:58] ah, see I thought that was in the kernel [02:58] firebird619: lol what SBo nvidia drivers? [02:58] well, he also has nvidia_agp [02:58] right [02:58] modprobe --list | grep nvid [02:58] lf4: :(. these ones: http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=nvidia&sv=12.2 [02:58] lf4 you need to read the manual for the drivers you manaully installed. [02:58] so, should it be Driver="nvidia-agp" ? [02:59] lf4, or better yet, remove them, and build the packages for the binary blobs from the buildscripts at slackbuilds.org [02:59] It should be just Driver="nvidia" [02:59] Old_Fogie: I'll check it out but I dont really see how it could be the drivers issues since I was using them before just the same. [02:59] I think I am unhelpful and should sit on my hands [03:00] lf4, before what? I'm sorry I missed that part. [03:00] Thanks for the help guys I just need to mess with this and see if I can hack something together. [03:00] Old_Fogie: FF crashed, he restarted, and now this. [03:00] lol [03:00] oh video melt down [03:00] yeah [03:00] you probably had a corrupted xorg.conf file [03:00] from the fsck [03:00] lf4: ah, but, the binary ones, at least in my 3 years ago experience, were kooky as all hell and I had to reinstall them a lot (not in slackware but in others) [03:00] you using jfs? lf4 ? [03:00] no ext3 [03:01] ok, yeah I'd bet dollars to donuts fsck bit you in the but [03:01] I had that happen once. [03:01] lol great [03:01] Ouch, that hurts. [03:01] it's got this nice feature, it just delete's nasty files and leaves *no* logs as linus thought that would confuse users [03:01] yeah it hurts like fsck [03:01] Old_Fogie: what is the dollars to donuts ratio now days? [03:01] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [03:02] firebird619, mmm, my newsticker is at chocolote right now, so it's gonna be a while [03:02] thought it would confuse users, sounds like gnome. :P [03:02] Old_Fogie: any ideas on what to do or should I just re do this system? lol [03:02] firebird619: good question. that ratio's been all screwed up ever since Homer Simpson and that stupid toaster of his [03:02] haha [03:02] Old_Fogie: i want a doughnut! GIMME! [03:02] lf4, well, X -configure wont do s4it as you're not using an xorg driver. [03:02] lf4: no, reinstall the proprietary drivers if you haven't [03:02] tecky: ASK nicely. [03:02] :P [03:02] briareus: already did [03:02] fsck that, GIMME NOW! [03:02] mmmm, donuts... [03:02] ;X [03:03] hahaha tecky [03:03] lf4, you need to restore your good known backup copy of /etc/X11/xorg.conf .. you do have one dont you? [03:03] Action: lf4 hads tecky a big one [03:03] that was a bad joke... please tell me someone laughed, atleast one person!? [03:03] tecky, no donuts for you! :) [03:03] yeah Old_Fogie I did that and it still did not work XP [03:03] Old_Fogie: meh, fine [03:03] lf4, hmmm, [03:03] [00:03] < lf4> yeah Old_Fogie I did that and it still did not work XP ...typical of XP [03:04] baDUM bum [03:04] lf4, how's about taking the xorg-vesa in /etc/X11 that Mr. V gives us, make a copy of it as /etc/X11/xorg.conf, then remove then run depmod, then reinstall the video drivers. [03:04] ok, I'm better with a mic, but that joke did suck, sorry [03:04] Old_Fogie: brilliant [03:05] this is why Old_Fogie is paid the big bucks [03:05] XP? what the heck is XP [03:05] Old_Fogie: I'll try that now [03:05] you on windows? [03:05] briareus: lies and slander [03:05] Old_Fogie: only in a vm [03:05] Old_Fogie: I promise [03:05] lf4, you putting binary blobs in slackware on a vm [03:05] ? [03:05] Old_Fogie: he runs something better, OS/2 Warp! [03:05] it was the only way I could load music easily on my mp3player as non-root. UNTIL TONIGHT!!! W00t! [03:06] are you freaking kidding me?! [03:06] no [03:06] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [03:06] but with ##slackware, a dozen experts, and two hours, we figured it out [03:06] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:06] wow /ignore that one too [03:07] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [03:07] The Moon is Waning Crescent (31% of Full) [03:07] Old_Fogie: what's that script? [03:07] another 69% to go too, I don't think I can handle it. [03:07] Old_Fogie: i got a full moon, wanna see ? [03:08] Old_Fogie: dont listen to them [03:08] tecky, if it involves bending over looking thru your legs, and seeing uranus, then no :) [03:08] we astronomers got tired of all those old jokes about uranus so we renamed the planet [03:08] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:08] Urchlay, to what? [03:08] ...to Urectum [03:08] hahaha [03:08] [03:08] wtf haha [03:08] Is There Life On Urectum? [03:08] I don't know, let me check [03:08] Old_Fogie: well i figured i would offer since you seem to be into astrology ? [03:08] hopefully not [03:09] Action: briareus looks over shoulder [03:09] briareus: if there is, you can get medication to get rid of it [03:09] Ok treky fans, what's Scott Tissue Company (the maker of Scott Tissue toilet Paper) and the Star ship enterprise have in common? [03:09] 1 [03:09] -2 [03:09] --3 [03:09] --4 [03:09] Old_Fogie: Klingons [03:09] nope [03:09] eh, klingons on uranus [03:09] well....they both "circle uranus in search of klingons" :) [03:09] hahah , good job Urchlay [03:09] right [03:10] i still call fail, but w/e [03:10] I don't get that joke, but dammit Jim I'm a doctor not a dishwasher [03:10] who gives the best head on the starship enterprise? heh, why do you think they call him "bones"? [03:10] hahah [03:10] Anthony__ (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [03:10] morning. [03:10] morning [03:10] hm. When I had a job as a dishwasher, I tried to get everyone to refer to me as an "underwater ceramics engineer" [03:11] Urchlay, haha [03:11] LOL [03:11] When I was a dishwasher, I pulled so much tail you guys wouldn't believe. [03:11] c0r3 (n=enigma@222.172.214.2) joined ##slackware. [03:11] Actually you shouldn't. because I'm lying. [03:11] tecky, save me, mplayer won't build :( [03:11] why not? there was a guy in the kitchen name of John something, but he'd convinced everyone to call him "Satan" [03:11] edman007: oks? [03:11] edman007: whats you getting for the build error? [03:11] you missing a dep? [03:12] hello, can i create slackware package by 'slacktrack -p pkg.tgz make install'? [03:12] edman007: your doing it wrong. :P [03:12] yea....no, gcc is bitching about the MMX2 ASM... [03:12] from sbo or where from? [03:12] pastebin ? [03:12] firebird619, the mplayer people... [03:12] its svn... [03:12] moo [03:13] nix_chix0r: /wave? [03:13] Hello nix_chix0r, how are you tonight? [03:13] use last week's svn snapshot, see if the problem goes away? [03:13] tecky, http://pastebin.ca/1427230 [03:13] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425465.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:13] nix_chix0r, i hear cows, but what about the pony? [03:13] firebird619, work was good. [03:13] Urchlay, alright, will do [03:13] nix_chix0r: good to hear. Sorry I couldn't take your place. :P [03:14] firebird619, out of work? [03:14] Old_Fogie: nix_chix0r asked me earlier to drive up there and go to work for her. [03:15] you poll dance? [03:15] Old_Fogie: I'm about 418 miles away. [03:15] pole [03:15] hahaha [03:15] no [03:15] edman007: mmm lemme know if that last weeks works like Urchlay said [03:15] oh was gonna let you do my job [03:15] then :) [03:15] lol [03:15] where's abby? [03:15] is it just me or did the guy who wrote the 'normalize' man page make the difference between mix mode and batch mode realllly sketchy [03:15] Action: edman007 tries from the 12th [03:15] I seem to have the opposite results of what his manpage 'describes' [03:16] i want abby, not cuz she's got the same name as the 'abby' on NCIS who i think is amazingly hot, but cuz she's a linux geek [03:16] briareus, if that's the case then try 'man abnormalize' :) [03:16] tecky, iirc abby is a guy [03:16] I built mplayer svn last week, but now that I think of it, it was x86_64, so maybe that's why it built OK [03:16] Old_Fogie: isn't it 'normalize' ? [03:16] Old_Fogie: no?!? [03:17] tecky, read his question, then my answer :) [03:17] all this time i thought it was a (s)he ? [03:17] Abby Normal? [03:17] tecky, yeah I'm pretty sure abby is a male (well as sure as I can tell gender from text in white text on black screen) [03:17] Abby Normal, the best brain in town [03:17] Old_Fogie: lol [03:17] hello [03:17] what can i do with slacktrack? [03:17] does anyone else watch ncis for 'abby' ? [03:18] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@72.252.60.136) joined ##slackware. [03:18] or am i wierd? [03:18] tecky: you're weird [03:18] c0r3, dunno, I dont think anyone here uses it to be honest, or if they do they talk about it. [03:18] : [03:18] \: [03:18] tecky: see what I mean, what did you just type? [03:18] :P [03:18] Old_Fogie, i only pole dance at home and he uses loose change as tips [03:18] firebird619: eh... [03:19] haha [03:19] he's not wierd, he's just an e-stalker [03:19] :O [03:19] nix_chix0r: does he pelt you w/ quarters? [03:19] from the 12th it does not work :( [03:19] I'm jealous, where can I get an e-stalker [03:19] briareus: IIRC, when making mix CDs from random sources, mix mode does what I want [03:19] nix_chix0r, hey that's my 'shtick' the coins only. talk to the hand! [03:19] tecky, mostly pennies but the ocasional quarter if i'm real good and dirty? [03:19] :) [03:19] Action: firebird619 estalks tecky....How does it feel? :P [03:19] Old_Fogie: ok, i'll go back to slackbuilds [03:19] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425465.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:19] nix_chix0r: thats just wrong... i'd atleast hit you with dimes and nickles [03:20] momma needs a new sundress for church [03:20] gogo [03:20] nix_chix0r: Wha...no dollar bills? :P [03:20] what normalize command would you use to normalize a huge folders of songs (not in subfolders) [03:20] Action: edman007 gets the $500 monopoly bills [03:20] briareus: eh, to be honest, I'd have to figure it out again. Not used it in months... [03:20] nix_chix0r: hmmm cought me mid sentence ... and i had to backspace over it after that last statement of yours [03:20] caught** [03:20] Urchlay: yeah, I was only asking because the normalize manpage seems foggy [03:20] briareus, same here, been a long time. I think audacity can do it, as can ?k3b? [03:20] at least to me [03:21] if u want a gui [03:21] ha [03:21] I'm a cli whore [03:21] [ in bed ] [03:21] lol [03:21] briareus: what are you trying to do to audio? Audacity is prolly your best bet if your trying to alter / change something volume wise [03:21] well done [03:21] briareus, ahahah :) [03:22] tecky: about 700 songs loading onto an mp3player [03:22] Old_Fogie: wow? that's how easy you are? [03:22] briareus: to play? [03:22] c0r3 (n=enigma@222.172.214.2) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:22] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:22] no, to cook with [03:22] :) [03:22] for me to poop on! [03:22] briareus: mpg123 / 123mpg :) [03:22] Anthony__ (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [03:22] to normalize so I can listen [03:22] tecky: he wants to normailze the volume and then play on his mp3 player. [03:23] it's a sansa mp3player, it plays already, but I am always fiddling with volume [03:23] briareus: mpg123 i believe has a flag for it [03:23] I want to normalize a massive subfolderless 700+ song directory [03:23] briareus: mp3's, ogg's, what? [03:23] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: "restarting the system and trying a few other things before bed." [03:23] ok, thanks I'll look at it [03:23] firebird619: mp3 [03:24] I don't care though, it's only for when I ride my bike [03:24] briareus: its what i've used in the past for podcasts and such from one to another in a folder (with subfolders) that have different recorded level(s) [03:24] briareus: Some of the sansa's support ogg and flac you know. [03:24] flac = secks [03:24] firebird619: oh? I just loaded new firmware on it yesterday too, i should check [03:24] actually no no no [03:24] FLAC = secks w/ nix_chix0r [03:24] briareus: mp3gain then could do it. http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/audio/mp3gain/ [03:24] >.> [03:24] briareus: which sansa, I have a Sansa clip that does. [03:25] Action: nix_chix0r blush [03:25] <3 nix_chix0r [03:25] tecky: high quality too. :P lossless, ergo nothing lost. :P [03:25] we loves you! seriously, we do! [03:25] briareus, for what it's worth, someone here pasted this neat command, tho I never tested, it might be good for the "loop thru all the files" methodology : for i in *.mp3; do madplay -b 16 -R 44100 -a 3 -o `basename $i .mp3`.wav $i; done [03:25] How can you not love nix_chix0r, she's awesome. :) [03:26] neat-o! [03:26] briareus: which sansa you got? [03:26] firebird619: mmmm she's got boobies, and i dont think my fiancee would like me talking to someone that has a feature of such title [03:26] hahaha [03:26] tecky: better zip your lip then [03:26] briareus, so you could theoretically use the commands you need in lieu of the 'madplay...' and that would do one, then the next..then the next, etc etc [03:26] hrrr, normalize man page says it doesn't actually change the audio data for mp3s, just a field in the id3 tag that isn't supported by a lot of players. So yeah, convert to wav, normalize the wavs, re-mp3-itize them... [03:26] firebird619: she's sleeping in the other room ... cuz i'm scared to go to bed, and what might happen in said bed [03:27] hahaha [03:27] Urchlay, yea that's a good point [03:27] Urchlay: ee-gads, I'm 80% loaded... [03:27] tecky: what would she do to you? Why you scared? [03:27] I bet I can do it all on the player [03:27] I have room [03:27] [ in bed ] [03:27] firebird619: i dont want to know, or find out for that matter [03:27] might be slower I/O than doing it on your internal drive, but yea [03:28] he doesn't want the sexytime [03:28] Old_Fogie: why's everything ' [ in bed ] '? you turning chinese? [03:28] well done again [03:28] briareus, :) [03:28] tecky: You are a savage rascal... [03:28] cbpye (n=cbpye@c-71-229-61-232.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:28] tecky, was a joke one day in here, and I'm like a broken record and all, so I ain't letting the joke die :) [03:28] ACK [03:28] I set you up Old_Fogie [03:28] Old_Fogie: good work, keeping it alive. :P [03:28] nix_chix0r: its not so much of the ' not wanting sexytime ' its more along the lines of i'd like to keep it in good working order and not broken and in need of repairs [03:29] haha [03:29] Old_Fogie: agh i must have missed that day / week / month / joke / funny [03:29] tecky: what cable connection are you on? [03:29] i gota get it early or i'm too tired when i get home with the baby sleeping in shifts:)) [03:29] briareus: two styrofoam cups and a string ? [03:29] tecky: bummer [03:29] briareus: /whois tecky tecky [03:30] 'styrofoam cups' that's not nature friendly, you should go hug a tree [03:30] :) [03:30] in bed [03:30] right on! [03:30] yeah I think all of us that were here now have an /ib [ in bed ] alias set [03:30] Old_Fogie: I did once, but my weener got stuck in a hole :\ [03:30] someone told me to say that after all fortune cookies [03:30] chopp, hahah true true [03:30] tecky: haha [03:30] ouch [03:30] tecky: was it in need of repairs then? :P [03:30] Action: edman007 still does not get the in bed thing... [03:31] but I got one that said "Small businessman squeeze penny, big businessman squeeze tomato" [03:31] ha [03:31] chopp: do you have that set? [03:31] I do [03:31] "Small businessman squeeze penny, big businessman squeeze tomato IN BED?" [03:31] nix_chix0r: will you change your rl name to abby ? [03:31] edman007, reading your line there, has many meanings ! [03:31] hahah [03:31] :( [03:31] abby is a lame name thanks [03:31] hahaha [03:31] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [03:32] nix_chix0r: nooooooooooo you gotta watch NCIS, and then come back and say you feel the same way? need me to ref a link to hulu for you? [03:32] only ever met one girl named Abby in real life... she was really hot, but completely evil [03:32] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [03:32] i rather be leelu from the 5th element except not as anorexic [03:32] the girl I got on my first bus with in elementary school was Abigail [03:32] Urchlay, ain't that just the way, man I tell ya. it's like nature's joke girls like that. [03:32] yeah, leelu would be hot if she'd eat a burger every once in a while [03:32] our first day of school, me and Abigail [03:32] or some burritos... [03:32] I should have married that girl [03:32] http://wwwimage.cbs.com/cms/files/images/primetime/ncis/bio/cast_thumb120_pauley_perrette_240x300.jpg <=- abby [03:32] leelu is hot [03:32] Nick change: nix_chix0r -> sira_chix0r [03:33] amiralul (n=quassel@86.122.14.1) joined ##slackware. [03:33] what's a leelu [03:33] leeeeluuuuu [03:33] about five pounds [03:33] tecky: she's married you know. [03:33] oh, sorry [03:33] briareus, ahhahahha [03:33] that's the punchline to "what's a henway?" [03:33] I ain't googleling it either, cuz then I'll wind up at some russian porn site asking me to scan my pc for viruses [03:33] tecky: maybe it's just that picture, but... she looks about 12 there [03:33] "Hey, I got a new Henway!!" [03:33] firebird619: thats not a problem, courts can take care of that [03:33] "what's a Henway?" [03:33] About 5 pounds [03:33] tecky: OS/2 Warp - I think I still have my install disks for v4 :) [03:33] Urchlay: ..... you just lost alot of respect [03:33] Old_Fogie, http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.slamd64:en-US:official&ei=t2ASStXgDqDKtgfP752gBA&resnum=0&q=leeloo&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi [03:34] tecky: lol [03:34] bojevnik (n=Bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:34] edman007, wow tracking cookies galore on you there man [03:34] tecky: well the picture is about 2 inches tall on my monitor, and my eyes suck. Gimme something higher res... [03:34] edman007, sira is better than abby amirite [03:34] Old_Fogie, there are no cookies in urls ;) [03:35] tecky: yeah, what Urchlay . gimme something bigger, less clothed. [03:35] edman007, well I mean the tracking crapola in that link, dont you love the e-privacy :) [03:35] http://wwwimage.cbs.com/cms/files/images/primetime/ncis/bio/pauley_perrette_240x300.jpg ? [03:35] edman007, slamd put's the browser identification in ? [03:35] edman007, that's odd, slackware doesnt [03:35] Old_Fogie, you can track anything with me by just using my nick [03:36] amazon10x (i=amazon10@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-53e739fee5b960cb) joined ##slackware. [03:36] sira_chix0r, depends on what you do... [03:36] tecky: I tried blowing that 240x300 image up to a viewable size, but it's just too blocky [03:36] Old_Fogie, and its because slack uses the offical binary, slamd64 does not [03:36] nix_lix3r [03:36] Old_Fogie: pm? [03:36] edman007, bu it's me [03:36] sira_chix0r: fail at the name change ... sorry [03:36] edman007, in /usr/lib/firefox/defaults/pref/firefox.js you can change the part pref("general.useragent.extra.vendorComment .... to whichever you want fwiw [03:36] Nick change: sira_chix0r -> nix_lix3r [03:37] yeah i spaced out [03:37] but i got no pony... [03:37] nix_lix3r: oooh i likes!!!!! KEEP IT! [03:37] forget the pony [03:37] nix_lix3r, now that works [03:37] Did you guys hear that I got a new Henway? [03:37] briareus: yup, I heard that before when you said it. :) [03:37] Action: nix_lix3r snickers [03:37] lix3r > abby [03:38] edman007: -50 dkp [03:38] Action: edman007 squares tecky [03:39] squares? is that like ' square roots ' me? [03:39] now its +2500 dkp^2 [03:39] lol [03:39] I wouldn't lix3r with *your* tongue [03:39] meh [03:39] ha! [03:39] chopp: lol [03:39] i drool over the chips ahoy commercial [03:39] nix_lix3r: which one? [03:39] thats not all i heard you drool over! [03:40] :O [03:40] obnauticus (i=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [03:40] [ in bed ] [03:40] what ever you heard it's probally true [03:40] hohoho [03:40] firebird619, just the one where the cookie is dancing around [03:40] nix_lix3r: I KNEW IT! :P " OH FORTRAN, OH FORTRAN! " [03:40] hiptobecubic (n=john@207-244-185-029-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [03:40] and then he gets picked up and ate. :P [03:41] dont make me get the optimus prime footy pjs out [03:41] you'll have to excuse me, i dont watch much tv :\ [03:41] tecky: except NCIS. :P [03:41] nix_lix3r: I so want pix or it didn't happen! [03:41] i dont think he'd let me leak something like that out [03:41] firebird619: ..... ugh ABBY IS SOOOO HOT! :/ [03:42] nix_lix3r: who? your keeper? the judge? your parole officer? [03:42] nix_lix3r: >.> [03:42] lol, nix_lix3r's on parole? [03:42] hah [03:42] i wonder if anyone here sleeps at all :p [03:42] nix_lix3r: you shouldn't have worn those footy pjs in public. :P [03:42] nille_: negatory ? [03:42] I nap [03:42] firebird619, but i wanted cookies:( [03:42] I'll be sleping soon, it's 02:42. [03:43] nix_lix3r: were they worth being on parole? :P [03:43] 03:43:07 up 12:16, 5 users, load average: 0.32, 0.39, 0.42 [03:43] i cant sleep ... its only 3:43 am [03:43] yeah that's why i can't leave the state of minnesota hurr [03:43] tecky: this girl here? http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f14/Mrs_McGee/NCIS/Abby/ncis-germany-de_as_00021.jpg [03:43] nix_lix3r: lol [03:43] they're afraid i'll steal a zamboni and cross wisconsins lake [03:43] hahaha [03:43] she doesn't look 12 in that picture, but she still looks like I'd card her if she were buying beer... [03:44] Urchlay: yes, now your going to have to excuse me for, a few moments [03:44] only a few, huh? [03:44] (which is not to say she's not hot...) [03:44] nix_lix3r: I'll keep an eye out on the news for when you make a break for it. [03:44] i got 2 hours to midday and i'm getting tired now [03:44] alisonken1noc: well ... i just have to find a towell and cleanup the mess >.< [03:44] :) [03:44] towel** [03:44] god i'm terrible at typo's tonight [03:44] firebird619, it'll be the girl with no pants carrying a 6pack of o'douls [03:44] alright. :) [03:45] tecky: kinda hard to type with one hand? [03:45] nix_lix3r: thats kinda hot? [03:45] alisonken1noc: ......... no comment? [03:45] Urchlay: I'd have to get rid of that retarded hairdo first [03:45] nix_lix3r: so a similar outfit as when you got locked out of the house? [03:45] firebird619, exactly [03:45] that john 5 tshirt will never wear the same [03:45] nix_lix3r: no birthday suit? [03:46] Nick change: Asmadeus1 -> Asmadeus [03:46] tecky, i dont want to get hypothermia on the good bits [03:46] tecky: dude, it's Minnesota and Wisconsin, it gets COLD. [03:46] i dont care if i'm an amputee or anything if limbs freeze off but i need something to work with in jail [03:46] nix_lix3r: 'the good bits' so that would imply that there's ' the bad bits ' aswell ? [03:46] haha [03:46] tecky, just comparing the importance to the reproductive system as opposed to having legs [03:47] nix_lix3r: who needs legs if you look like abby from NCIS?!? [03:47] hold up [03:47] i gota see who this chicke is [03:47] tecky: YOU are OBSESSED. [03:47] nix_lix3r: you've never seen NCIS? [03:47] I seriously wonder if my fiancee would be offended if i made a cardboard cut out, and put it on top of her in bed the next time she wants to make out [03:48] Action: Urchlay has never seen NCIS [03:48] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left ##slackware ("/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop"). [03:48] no i generally dont watch that stuff [03:48] Urchlay: i'm sorry? [03:48] gothic looking chick? [03:48] tecky: I'm no expert character judge, but offhand I'd say *yes* she should mind [03:48] tecky: you'd cut yourself on the cardboard. [03:48] nix_lix3r: yeah [03:48] you can't take her home to your mom [03:48] firebird619: .... i'm sure i could find a way to manage [03:48] haha [03:48] she's like a closet playtoy [03:48] nix_lix3r: yes you can! [03:48] tecky: rememember "When she's good, she's really good. when she's bad, she's better" [03:49] tecky: sure you can, mom just may not like her. :P [03:49] alisonken1noc: the best part of the situation of making out w/ the cardboard cutout would be no backtalk or telling me to stop or that its hurting [03:49] hahaha [03:49] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [03:49] also it's gotta be said... I used to like goth girls a lot, until I actually started to get to know some of them... in my experience they turn out to be pretty shallow [03:49] or the laughing too, don't forget that tecky [03:50] firebird619: mmmmm indeed, however I'm sure i can find a way of making anyone like abby .... [03:50] infact, i'm going to employ someone in making a desktop theme for GTK [03:50] I just don't think she's that good looking, I've seen better. [03:50] who's abby? [03:50] antiwire: seriously? [03:50] i used to be like that i had a phase with the pink hair and piercings but i toned it down.i like to have the option to show my tattoos and still have them covered if it's not appropriate [03:50] antiwire: the gothic looking girl on NCIS [03:50] ? [03:51] what's NCIS mean [03:51] nix_lix3r: know a girl who made her tattoo optional by way of shaving her head & getting tattooed on the skull [03:51] csi type of show [03:51] ah ok ty [03:51] nix_lix3r: please tell me you have a tat of "exit only" on the lower end of your torso above your pelvic muscle ? [03:51] Naval Criminal Investigative Service [03:51] if she gets tired of the tat, she stops shaving her head [03:51] a week later it's "gone" [03:52] tecky, no, i have 12 tattoos though, a full calf and almost full back [03:52] half sleeves [03:52] antiwire: http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f14/Mrs_McGee/NCIS/Abby/ncis-germany-de_as_00021.jpg [03:52] my ears are guaged at 00 but i take them out at work [03:52] you take your ears out? [03:52] nix_lix3r: that guaging shit is retarded imo, however to each there own [03:53] Old_Fogie: NCIS is "Naval Criminal Investigative Service" (close enough). The TV show is a cops/robbers centered around Navy investigations [03:53] tecky, yeah as i said i went through a phase [03:53] Old_Fogie: its those 'rings' that they insert in the ear lobes to 'extend them' [03:53] i used to think it was cool [03:53] nix_lix3r: hrm pix of you? [03:53] rgouveia (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. [03:53] nix_lix3r: i wanna see how 'goth' you still are? [03:53] oh them ear slugs, ah ok [03:53] Old_Fogie: /nod [03:54] tecky: she doesn't look goth at all to me. [03:54] heh. Ever seen what happens to someone who has ear piercings as big around as a half dollar, when they get a job where they can't wear 'em? [03:54] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCIS_(TV_series) [03:54] kinda gross looking [03:54] for anyone that doesn't know what NCIS is [03:54] firebird619: and you know this? [03:54] Urchlay: that just looks freaky. [03:55] tecky: she posted a link, erm, yesterday iirc. [03:55] meh [03:55] firebird619: i restarted my box today to insert my new gforce 9500 gt card :\ [03:55] oh wells [03:55] tecky: you weren't here at the time. :P [03:56] firebird619: as i kno this, i would have loaded the screen and compaired her to abby [03:56] lol [03:56] i guess its bad that i'm getting married next april and i compare every girl to 'abby' eh? [03:56] tecky, http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i197/geek_chix0r/goober2.jpg [03:56] that may not be good for a marriage tecky [03:57] nix_lix3r: need more emo k? [03:57] nix_lix3r: that's who? you? [03:57] k [03:57] nix_lix3r: how olds that photo? [03:57] Urchlay: presume so, unless its a easy find on google images / photobucket :) [03:57] good 7months old i have one i just took of my new glasses but it's not a high quality photo since i took it on my phone [03:57] Urchlay: yes, that's nix_lix3r [03:58] hiptobecubic (n=john@207-244-185-029-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Connection timed out [03:58] tecky: http://i43.tinypic.com/wklg10.jpg Her glasses [03:58] firebird619 / nix_lix3r : i likes those!!!!! [03:58] makes you look more 'bold' ;) [03:59] er i should say ' more like abby ' sorry >.> [03:59] hm. Apparently the only pic of me on my hard drives here is 10+ years old [03:59] tecky: get off the abby kick [03:59] who's feeling brave? [03:59] firebird619: never! [03:59] Urchlay: ? [03:59] firebird619, my name is arabic from what i gather even though i'm half german lul [03:59] Urchlay: I don't have any of myself, I take the pictures, I don't get in the pictures. [04:00] nix_lix3r: cool, mine's hebrew. [04:00] http://imagebin.org/49550 <--- this is me in errr... 2000 I think [04:00] I don't give my name out on the interwebs though. :) [04:00] all the indian telemarkets i used to get would actually prnounce it but any one else they are like sierraa [04:01] I found the spelling of my name in hebrew, it's really cool imo. [04:01] Urchlay, you know the show home improvement you look like al i think thats what his name was [04:01] the plaid shirt guy [04:02] Al Borland [04:02] nix_lix3r, firebird619, Urchlay, Old_Fogie: http://i44.tinypic.com/1zqwpx3.jpg [04:02] only ever saw that show once, can't remember what any of 'em look like [04:02] nix_lix3r: I looked, it's Arabic, meaning light source. [04:02] tecky: you look unhappy... [04:02] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:02] like you hate having your picture made, maybe [04:02] I dispise being photographed [04:03] usually I do too [04:03] i dont usually, i always do [04:03] hiptobecubic (n=john@207-244-185-029-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [04:03] i see camera, i run [04:03] that pic of me from 2000, I was about half drunk, at employee xmas party at a job I had stopped giving a crap about... [04:04] firebird619, aren't you tired of this b.s weather we're having. it got to 70 today but dropped back down to 40 and i felt as if i was freezing when i should be super warm. i wore dress shorts today at work and i was freezing by 9pm [04:04] ooh it's picture day @ ##slackware [04:04] Urchlay: thats pretty win! ;P [04:04] yeah, it's weird. It got to about 85 here today. yesterday it was like 52, and tonight it dropped. It's crazy. [04:04] my boss walks around barefoot and i can't wear jeans. twat [04:04] haha [04:05] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:05] would any of you happen to know the unicode for the "correct"-symbol by any chance? You know, the "V" which is longer on the one side? [04:05] every one else wears jeans but it's in the policy you can't but i get ripped on one day i wear them [04:05] *unicode-key [04:05] i bet it's cause i'm new [04:05] nix_lix3r: call him a twatwaffle :X [04:05] v3gard, that's a checkmark. [04:05] right, sorry :) [04:05] haven't had any coffee yet [04:05] ok, found one a lot more recent... from maybe 2.5 years ago: http://imagebin.org/49551 [04:06] You get the ISOI 3864-1 for that one. [04:06] richard stallman! [04:06] (it's a bit blurry due to crappy lighting conditions + crappy photographer. Also it makes me look fat... well, fatter.) [04:06] ccfreak2k: found it right away. thanks :) [04:07] stallman probably doesn't play bass though [04:07] and I damn sure don't use emacs :) [04:07] Urchlay i guess you don't reboot very often [04:07] eh? no [04:07] the beard [04:07] ah [04:07] http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=707111931&ref=mf is my facebook site if anyones bored enough to add me, just pst me the Name [04:07] that's less than a years' worth of beard [04:08] haha he wont play a bass because some "twatwaffle" didn't make a readme file saying it's ok to play tabs even if you dont have the rights to them [04:08] nix_lix3r: dont have too much fun w/ my word :X [04:08] tablature isn't source code (music notation is)... [04:08] sorry i got carried away tecky [04:08] i noticed [04:08] hmm should i post a pic [04:08] pix plz [04:09] mmm nekkid ones plz [04:09] tecky: you do *not* want nekkid pics of me dude [04:09] Urchlay: mmmm ok here, i'll fix my statement [04:09] i wana digest my dinner [04:09] the right way [04:10] i dont wana see naked pics of any one [04:10] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:10] anyway there are no nekkid pics of me, unless the CIA really does have me under surveillance [04:10] pix ++females --clothes --body_hair >> /mnt/interwebs :) [04:10] lol [04:10] tecky: "You have sullied the Internet by putting *pornography* on it!" [04:11] [04:11] haha [04:11] ugh simpsons [04:11] didn't that show die like 20 years ago [04:11] ? [04:11] i only have naked pics of my old chicks and i can't post them [04:11] :p [04:11] don't wanna see naked old people anyway [04:11] ##slackware ++everyone --tecky >> /mnt/peach_sanity. [04:11] nix_lix3r: who wants to see pictures of guys? ugh! [04:11] old? [04:12] Superbaloo (n=FN@energeek.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:12] keep your G-MILFs to yourself [04:12] i need sbux [04:12] well you did say "old chicks"... [04:12] sbux = starbucks** [04:12] hiptobecubic (n=john@207-244-185-029-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:12] i have my milf license [04:12] a little card [04:12] ooh now i get it [04:12] milf license? I've heard of miff license, but not milf license [04:12] to freaking tired to think [04:13] nix_lix3r: that doesn't mean start taking off your clothes and proclaiming your a milf though [04:13] nille_: it was a pretty poor attempt at humor on my part anyway [04:13] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [04:13] alisonken1noc: m / f ? [04:13] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:13] but i'm a mom and a good lookin one at that therefore i get to have the license [04:13] no it's humor it's not that low [04:13] antiwire: will it be "highway to hell" this morning? [04:14] nix_lix3r: so she's not a double bagger? or paper / plastic? [04:14] roorah (n=foo@87.244.223.14) joined ##slackware. [04:14] lol [04:14] no double bagging or lights off required [04:14] gah i wish he would wake up so i can feed him and get to sleep [04:14] so your telling me i have no need to get a paper bag, draw a face on it and cut a hole out? [04:15] correct [04:15] hmmm i find this hard to believe! [04:15] o.O [04:15] although sometimes the face on the bag might be funnier and well it could be interesting role play [04:15] ughhhhh i cant stop yawning :( [04:16] nix_lix3r: i've had some girlfriends in the past, with hindsight i wish i paperbag'd, i guess thats a bad thing to admit eh? [04:16] nope [04:16] sometimes you gota kiss a lot of frogs [04:16] to get to the princess. :) [04:16] chopp: they flipped topside up now! release time is close [04:16] all i asked for was a chick that didn't go "linux? WTF is that?" [04:17] haha [04:17] yessssssss hes up [04:17] bb [04:17] ummm, that just sounds wrong in 1 too many ways [04:17] i actually found a pic of myself on the net :) [04:17] Christ on a pogo stick.. are you STILL talking about chicks?! [04:17] nix_lix3r: that can be both a good / bad things? [04:17] 800b135 [04:17] we like chicks. It's sorta built-in... [04:17] ttyX (n=Haider@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [04:18] antiwire: man I don't think I can stay awake till release. :( [04:18] Well, I have to get going. later everyone, take care. [04:18] Zordrak: hmm females have a special attraction to geeks? [04:18] heh, not too long ago I had to register for some site, put 707 5318008 for the phone number [04:18] night / morning firebird619 [04:18] Yeah.. but you were talking about chicks about 18 hours ago....... and you STILL are! [04:18] later firebird619 [04:18] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: "leaving" [04:18] chopp: when is it? [04:18] release? [04:18] (hint: type it on a calculator, flip it upside-down) [04:18] night tecky [04:18] later chopp [04:18] later Urchlay [04:18] later fbird [04:18] Zordrak: hmm, too my knowledge we've only talked about chicks for the past 20 - 40 minutes? [04:18] later nix_lix3r [04:20] Urchlay: your humor amuses me, calculator antix are so fun [04:20] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night."). [04:20] i can remember playing shit on my ti-81 :P [04:20] had a casio graphing calc with a weird programming language [04:21] some guy wrote a mandelbrot set plotter for his, which impressed the hell out of me [04:21] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [04:21] i had a irc app for my ti-81, and some other 'doom' clone that was mostly unplayable, but fun none the less to waste countless hours in calc class [04:22] ok heres the pic i found of myself on the net http://imagebin.org/49552 [04:23] haha i scared you all off :p [04:24] what crap does apple bundle with safari [04:24] a web browser in 25mb wtf [04:24] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [04:24] try show:porn in the adress bar [04:26] ttyX: is something else smaller? [04:26] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:26] chrome is like 9mb [04:26] so is firefox [04:27] I guess it's that apple updater crap [04:27] firefox is like 15 - 19 mb last i remember [04:27] win32 builds :p [04:27] PACKAGE NAME: links-2.2-i486-1 UNCOMPRESSED PACKAGE SIZE: 2830 K [04:27] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:27] uncompressed size25240 K [04:27] firefox ^^ [04:27] slava_dp: :P [04:28] are there any fx pgo linux builds out there? [04:29] I saw a lot of sse2 win32 pgo builds [04:29] but no linux builds :( [04:29] Dillo Installed-Size: 1140 [04:29] :) [04:29] i win! [04:30] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [04:33] Ojg (n=Ojg@uhp037.tekproj.bth.se) joined ##slackware. [04:33] wake up time [04:34] wtf song is that :P [04:36] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@72.252.60.136) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:37] ttyX (n=Haider@115.108.13.72) left ##slackware. [04:37] those of you who thinks my nickname suggests I from an islamic country/middle est, please raise your hand, thank you [04:37] o/ [04:37] I love it when theres some huge security shock annauncement and by the time im 1/10th of the way through reading it I realise it doesnt apply to me cause I,m running slack :) [04:38] my trollage sense is tingly [04:38] wdyy (n=yy@123.80.27.247) joined ##slackware. [04:38] :) [04:38] thank you chopp, one is too much already, I'll need to change it :) [04:38] amiralul: o/ [04:38] no boubt adout it [04:38] why, what does your nick actually mean? [04:39] "admiral" [04:39] O_o [04:39] but without "d" is just an islamic name [04:39] in what language? [04:39] Romanian [04:39] Action: amiralul ducks [04:39] i'm looking for a thumbnail creator that creates thumbnails like gtk2 does. anyone? [04:39] *shrug*, I'd say keep it as-is, if you like it [04:39] cteg: ImageMagick ? [04:40] somebody's got a problem with it, thats their problem [04:40] Zordrak: i tried that, moved all thumbnails in ~/.thumbnails, but for example gpicview wont use them [04:40] (now, if it meant something horribly insulting in romanian, maybe someone could make a case for "inappropriate nick, change it"...) [04:41] neah, it's not the case [04:41] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.150) left irc: "Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org" [04:41] but after a few eyars of using it I realized the muslim conotation [04:41] goddammnit I need to take Funhouse off repeat... it was on all day yesterday [04:41] Herman (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) joined ##slackware. [04:42] I seriously wouldn't worry about it [04:43] Action: Zordrak opens the office blinds... AAAAARRRGGHHH THE LIGHT!!! IT BURNS!! [04:44] rgouveia (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) left ##slackware. [04:44] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:45] Action: Zordrak is spewing random thoughts and just realised he has no explanation for just how the hell openssl is still >v1 [04:45] ahem.. Ist possible that i can hide/remove ssh banner? [04:45] I betcha it asymptotically approaches version 1 [04:46] arcsky: /etc/ssh/shhd_config [04:46] like it's what, 0.9.8k now? I bet it reaches 0.9.9, then 0.9.9a through z, then 0.9.9.9 or something... [04:46] arcsky: look for motd [04:46] Urchlay: yeah [04:46] Urchlay: I mean.. it's not Wine ffs [04:46] i want to hide SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 [04:46] half my system DEPENDS on it [04:47] wine's past 1.0 now though [04:47] Zordrak, if memory serves me correctly, didn't k3b spend like 10 years or something less than version 1 too? [04:47] Urchlay: Prekisely!! [04:47] edit the source code, but warning; some clients might have issues [04:47] arcsky: you better leave the "SSH-2.0-" part of it alone [04:47] IIRC, clients actually parse that bit to decide what protocol to speak [04:48] Urchlay: where can i change that`? [04:48] (what protocol revision) [04:48] that part is ok to leave since it's just the proto version [04:48] arcsky: what antiwire said: edit the source code [04:48] arcsky: just update to 5.2 [04:48] arcsky: youre talking about the bug announcement right? [04:48] you wouldn't catch me allowing proto 1 [04:48] Old_Fogie: ++ [04:49] I dont want that a sucker can know my version [04:49] arcsky: It doesnt matter [04:49] I really can't remember why version 1 protocol sucks now... I remember remembering it at one time [04:49] arcsky, then they shouldn't even reach the ssh port if you're that concerned imo. [04:49] Urchlay: major security flaws iirc [04:49] gooph (n=chatzill@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:49] mejro MOJOR [04:49] ok [04:49] um... yeah [04:50] mojo? [04:50] Urchlay: that was supposed to be mejor MEJOR.. but Im having more trouble than usual with dvorak this morning [04:51] arcsky: soooo [04:52] yeah... somehow my brain translated that to Dr. Evil talking about "my mojo"... [04:53] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [04:53] arcsky: hmm... thats interesting.. i had assumed pat had released openssh5.2 in patches for 12.2 [04:53] do OpenSSH_5.1p1 has a vulnerability ? [04:55] arcsky: look at slashdot or The Registelr [04:55] Register [04:55] arcsky: edit the source code. It's in version.h in the top level of the extracted tarball [04:55] i just did it to mine as a test [04:55] Connected to 127.0.0.1. [04:55] Escape character is '^]'. [04:55] SSH-2.0-HappyLand [04:55] cool [04:55] antiwire: personally id recommend updating ssh instead [04:55] I am running the most recent version... [04:56] yeah... but he's not [04:57] arcsky: Download all the files in ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/source/n/openssh to a directory [04:57] arcsky: chmod a+x openssh.SlackBuild [04:57] arcsky: ./openssh.SlackBuild [04:58] arcsky: upgradepkg /tmp/openssh-5.2p1-i486-1.tgz [04:58] i will update now [04:58] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) joined ##slackware. [04:59] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:59] hi, delete does not work in console applications (yakuake) and prints ~ instead of deleting a character [04:59] any ideas? [05:00] hi people, i'm using kdm. was wondering where to put xset b off for it to take effect (cannot handle the xterm beeps any more) [05:00] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [05:01] zoran119, compile the pc speaker off your kernel. that's what i do :-) [05:01] slava_dp: yeah... might just blacklist pcspkr module [05:02] or that too [05:02] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425465.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:03] but it'd be good if it worked... if say the fan dies and the cpu gets too hot, it will still beep hey? that beep is from the bios? [05:04] bios will beep for itself, don't worry :) [05:04] wdyy (n=yy@123.80.27.247) left irc: "‚»" [05:04] zoran119: does it beep when you use a real VT too? [05:05] well i mean an actual console, not a term under X [05:06] antiwire: not sure... is there a quick way to check... i'm getting the beeps when someone messages me in irssi which is running in an xterm [05:06] if there is no quick way i'll have to run irssi... [05:06] what does this tell you? grep bell-style /etc/inputrc [05:07] set bell-style none [05:10] Superbaloo (i=FN@energeek.net) joined ##slackware. [05:12] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.14.100) left irc: "leaving" [05:12] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89-180-14-100.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:13] zoran119: do you have the pcspkr module loaded? ? [05:13] -1 ? [05:15] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:16] arcsky (n=arcsky@2a01:48:100:1:1:0:0:1c2) left irc: "leaving" [05:19] heret|c (n=heretic@c-71-199-141-98.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:22] hm. I've had beeps disabled for so long, I'd forgot they even exist... [05:23] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:23] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:23] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [05:23] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-109-153.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:23] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [05:24] in the olden days, used to disable beeps with a pair of wire clippers :) [05:24] system beeps ? modprobe -r pcspkr ? :) [05:25] damn, this bitlbee sometimes decides not connect to googletalk :S [05:25] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.26.145) joined ##slackware. [05:25] hi everybody :) [05:25] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.26.145) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:26] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:26] ... [05:26] (2009-05-19 02:13:46) antiwire: zoran119: do you have the pcspkr module loaded? ? [05:28] antiwire: sorry, yeah it's loaded [05:28] i belive i have blacklisted it now [05:29] had to comment it out of isapnp... sounds right? [05:29] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [05:29] /etc/modprobe.d/isapnp [05:31] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) joined ##slackware. [05:39] zoran119, read /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist [05:40] slava_dp: yeah... i did... pcspkr is already blacklisted but it says that that might not be enough, and to comment the pcspkr in isapnp [05:41] slava_dp: or i could just remove it from rc.modules... [05:41] k, whatever works for you [05:43] another possible annoyance for you: [05:43] some integrated sound chips "helpfully" play the pc speaker beeps through the main speakers [05:43] I apologise for the seriously of topic nature.. but I am looking for the thoughts of sane and sensible sysadmins and users and not douchebags with Exchange servers and an MCSE. What do we think is currently the best Network Controlled corporate antivirus system? The current licence is about to expire and I'm looking for alternatives [05:44] s/of/offs [05:44] if you keep hearing beeps thru your main speakers, check the alsamixer settings, see if there's a "PC Speaker" mixer control that you can mute [05:44] s/s\/of\/offs/s\/of\/off\// [05:44] Zordrak: other than "install Slackware on everything so win32 viruses won't affect you", I don't have a useful answer :) [05:45] Urchlay: *nod* im trying.. but at the moment am dealing mith software engineers writing systems that require windows, but also require cygwin! [05:45] oh, cute [05:46] actually I'm dealing with something kinda similar (not for work, an open source project) [05:46] and i had one engineer make small mods to the code to make it work fine on slack.... but they havent integrated it into the svn yet and i dont know if/when they will [05:46] code written on Linux, ported to win32, modified, and the mods use VC++-specific syntax so I'm porting it back to Linux [05:47] Hence.. my original question stands :( [05:47] yeah... only antivirus stuff I've dealt with in the past however many years has been clamav, set up as a sendmail filter [05:48] stripped attachments from emails [05:48] got a friggin AD system with full GPO stuff... but have McAfee AV installed manually per machine .. and i want something else... i knowm McAfee has ePO... but I will start setting fires in the building befor a leh ePO loose [05:48] but you're actually talking about desktop stuff, runs on the actual workstations, but is admin'ed remotely, right? [05:48] *nod* [05:49] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:49] yeah, no idea here... the windows "admin" at my last regular job, he just ran around to all the user PCs installing unlicensed copies of McAfee [05:49] heh [05:49] sounds about right [05:50] in his defense, he wasn't a windows expert and never claimed to be (he was actually a crusty old COBOL guy, working in a Java/Linux shop because he was a shareholder I guess) [05:51] wow. i've been away for a while... txz format? [05:51] the one time I actually needed him to look at some COBOL, he drew a complete blank, though [05:52] heret|c: for -current.. usus xz instead of gzip, massive redugction in total distro size, dont attempt to use on 12.2 etc etc blah blah blah [05:53] sweet. [05:54] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-229.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:54] tbh id like to see the pkg format change for every release to stop douchebags installing packages from diff releases without thinking and making them gco slackbuild the source [05:54] heret|c: check the changelog notes for some more info [05:55] i'm not even using slackware atm XD always been a fan and used slack right up through 12.0. wrote a few wiki's, etc, etc [05:55] Does anyone else suffer from One Album Addiction (OAA)? [05:55] Zordrak, my OAA is Tool - Lateralus [05:56] i sometimes get right into one album and it just stays on repeat until i get completely sick of it [05:56] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425465.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:56] actually. I haven't tried this, or read anything about it, but... is there any reason you couldn't upgrade the 12.2 pkgtools to the version from -current, then start making your own .txz packages for 12.2? [05:56] Urchlay: course you could [05:56] (well, other than "it would only work on your weird system, not standard slack", I mean) [05:56] Urchlay: but why would you? [05:56] well I wouldn't, which is why I said I hadn't tried it :) [05:57] is anyone using pidgin + the encryption plugin? [05:57] My last OAA was Linkin Park - Minutes to Midnight.... but it's moved on to Pink - Funhouse... i had it on all day yesterday and it's still on now and i cant turn it off [05:58] but give it another couple of days and i wont listen to it for months [05:58] last album I was addicted to... don't laugh... you know the Metallica album "Garage Days Re-Re-visited"? all the songs on it are covers of obscure British 70s/80s metal bands... I tracked down the original versions and made a mix CD them [05:58] I spent literally weeks on Dragonforce - Inhuman Rampage [05:58] Urchlay: nice [05:59] original reason for making that CD: to annoy the hell out of a co-worker who was a huuuge metallica fan :) [06:00] heh [06:00] "vhat izz dis shits? not metallica, some ripoffz?" [06:00] (hard to type that guy's accent...) [06:00] :) [06:00] i've spent years on tool - every tool album [06:01] if I should happen to listen to it again any time soon, I'll probably get stuck on Pretty Hate Machine again (Nine Inch Nails) [06:01] heret|c: i dont mean listenig to something a lot.. i mean just having one album on repeat with nothing else for an extended period of time [06:02] Zordrak: does leaving it in my car CD player for weeks count? (assuming I do listen to other stuff when not in the car) [06:02] yeah :) [06:02] heret|c: my first was Ozzy Osbourne - No More Tears -- it was months before i put anything else in my tape walkman :) [06:02] in that case, the Firefly soundtrack album [06:02] i have an mp3 cd in my truck's radio of every tool album, has been in there for over a year [06:02] Nick change: SuN|2 -> Dominus [06:02] never take it out [06:03] cylux (n=cylux@CPE00032f37fa0d-CM0014e825df0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [06:03] heh. I owned a car with a cassette player, and "Black Sabbath Volume 4" got stuck in there... like, the eject button quit working, but it could still play that one tape [06:03] heret|c: nah.. multi album CDs are cheating :) [06:03] wannabe! [06:03] ;) [06:03] lol [06:04] wouldn't have believed it possible but I actually got so sick of listening to that, that I quit liking Sabbath for a whole year [06:04] (to make it worse, it was the kind where you can't switch to the radio if there's a tape inserted. It was volume 4 or silence...) [06:04] war pigs always makes me want to bang my head right off [06:04] hell yeah [06:05] Urchlay: thats precisely what im on about... l/istening to ONE thing until you are materially sick of it [06:05] and for some reason i full on air guitar to smashing pumpkins stuff [06:05] Zordrak: I haven't quite done that lately. I quit listening to stuff before I get to the point of hating it [06:06] grr.. started doing it just thinking about it. [06:06] used to live with a girl who was like that about the movie "interview with a vampire" [06:06] every damn night she'd come home from work, put that movie on, and start drinking [06:06] heret|c: i reserve air guitar for when F1 comes on and it starts playin The Chain by fteetwood mac [06:06] halfway through, she'd pass out [06:06] next day, "Oh, I didn't see the whole thing, I'll rewind and start over" [06:06] Urchlay: id do that with Apollo 13 :) [06:07] I got so sick of that damn movie I destroyed the tape (sledgehammer + fire) [06:07] Urchlay, what a godawful movie to do such a thing with [06:07] "Nope, I haven't seen your movie, no idea where it got to..." [06:07] kiwfftw \o/ [06:07] the single point in movie history where vampires started being portrayed as homos [06:07] heret|c: actually I will admit, the first time I ever saw it, I liked that movie [06:07] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl12-104-39.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [06:08] .... i will stab you with a spork! [06:09] the same place & time I'm talking about, I had this neighbor who would come over 2-3 times a week, and always want to watch the oliver stone "the doors" movie [06:09] (I like the band, but the movie's pretty silly...) [06:09] could be worse... [06:09] every time my little sister in law (she's 11) comes over. we gotta watch hanna montana [06:09] well this guy was clinically insane... paranoid schiz, on heavy meds, so it's excusable I guess [06:10] (when his meds were starting to wear off, he was a damn good guitar player, which was supposedly what he was coming over to do...) [06:10] heret|c: it's even more excusable in an 11-yr-old... this guy was like 37 [06:11] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl12-104-39.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Client Quit [06:11] heret|c: you need to mock up hanna montana being brutally murdered with blender and tell her she actually died and everything on TV is just a lie [06:11] heh [06:12] make sure it's brutal so she associates HM with pain subconsciously [06:12] how do you murder somebody with a blender? [06:12] not A blender [06:12] blender [06:12] oh, right [06:13] have her brutally murdered by Bender... "kill all humans!" [06:14] no its gotta be realistic.. you really need to fuck her mind up [06:14] make it hurt [06:14] bad [06:14] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [06:15] heret|c: hey wait, your host is .ga.comcast.net, you might actually know some of these people :) [06:15] so guys...DSA or RSA? [06:16] RSA! [06:16] ... which people? hillbillies? [06:16] thought DSA was supposed to be stronger [06:17] RSA [06:17] heret|c: nah. Bunch of weirdoes in marietta [06:17] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-124-95.ip38.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:17] see http://www.debian-administration.org/users/dkg/weblog/48 for example. (and the links posted on top of the article) [06:17] http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/dragonflybsd-user/2005/1/12/135792 [06:18] seriously.. does anyone know who maintains slackbof [06:18] slackboy? [06:18] have a serious request [06:18] hes a ghost AFAIK [06:18] unixfool does [06:19] Action: Zordrak summons unixfool by saying his name three times fast: unixfool unixfool unixfool [06:19] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-124-95.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [06:23] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [06:26] wdyy (n=kvirc@123.80.27.247) joined ##slackware. [06:29] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [06:37] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-124-95.ip38.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "leaving" [06:37] http://www.rsa.com/ [06:38] awe crap [06:38] slackboy, had some maintenance about 12 hours ago [06:41] o..k [06:41] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:42] antiwire: taint the same thing [06:42] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:42] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bf9d9fb5c50e5bc5) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [06:43] ? [06:44] afaik they dont /own/ rsa [06:44] Zordrak, why, did you notice a problem with slackboy ? [06:44] but ther are named after it [06:44] Camarade_Tux: no.. im after a feature addition [06:45] think the patent on the RSA algorithm may have expired by now [06:46] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA claims the patent would have expired in 2003, but was voluntarily public-domained in 2000 [06:47] that was just a google I'm feeling lucky plugin malfunction [06:47] (heh, and there's one of those charming stories about Alice and Bob on that page. Always thought those two should get married and live happily ever after...) [06:48] j0cker (n=j0cker@blackhole.hitech.com.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:48] *this* alice knows not of bob ;) [06:48] you can't be the same alice, you have a last name... [06:49] Urchlay: not her last name anyway ;) [06:49] Action: Zordrak bats alicephilippa and says ohai [06:50] still can't block VPN connection :( [06:50] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:50] oi no batting :p [06:50] j0cker (n=j0cker@blackhole.hitech.com.pl) left irc: Client Quit [06:50] "the goddam bats! they're swooping again! aaaagh!" [06:50] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:50] they are letting hubble loose right now [06:51] Who let the goths in? [06:52] doh! [06:52] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89CC1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [06:53] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-166-247.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [06:53] it would be fine to install directly an rpm package in slackware? [06:53] not really [06:54] dissociative: is that an insane question or a moronic statement? [06:54] afaiu, you can, and I'm sure you'd better check what the rpm does [06:54] btw, what is it ? [06:55] a lexmark lpr usb printer driver [06:55] greetings [06:55] not going to work, 100% guaranteed [06:55] hey slackytude :) [06:55] I will see [06:55] y0 Camarade_Tux [06:55] dissociative: you need to explode the rpm and examine the contents [06:55] how can I check the install scripts of the rpm package? [06:56] dissociative: first thing id do is throw rpm2tgz at it [06:56] Action: heret|c cringes [06:56] I was thinking about something else so it could actually work but it's quite unlikely [06:56] I did it but it doesnt show the install scripts [06:56] someone speaking of rpm? in ##slackware ? [06:56] blame lexmark [06:56] some kind of heretic [06:56] :P [06:57] lol :p [06:57] dissociative, you can extract the rpm by hand then [06:57] ...i will stab you with a spork! [06:57] dissociative: Nope.. i blame you for HAVING a lexwark [06:57] Lexmark [06:57] I didnt bought it [06:57] and I was a noob [06:57] dell ? :D [06:57] were [06:57] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:58] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-a5ffe3ab76e6e942) joined ##slackware. [06:58] dissociative: no *was* was right... [06:58] are you sure it needs *extra* drivers ? [06:58] extra? [06:58] dissociative: the one bit of grammar you got right.. and you corrected it to be wrong :) [06:58] IS IT IMPOSSIBLE TO BLOCK VPN CONNECTIONS :S ??? [06:58] what the hell is going on in here [06:59] The_Faithful: i told you yesterday.. block UDP/500 [06:59] /5000 [07:00] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-229.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [07:01] morning [07:01] Zordrak, I said blocking a packet by ports or by protocols.. isn't a good solution because simply in vpn we can use the both udp and tcp.. or different ports numbers [07:02] The_Faithful: are you worried about incoming or outgoing initiations? [07:02] antiwire, the both [07:04] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [07:05] The_Faithful: block all traffic except for a box running squid then make alrl users proxy through squid [07:05] unixfool (i=4421c1cc@about/slackware/wigglit) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [07:06] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: "That's my story, and I'm sticking to it." [07:06] I got it [07:06] Zordrak, now you gave me a good Idea [07:07] its the only way to properly manage traffic... when you just run through a standard nat firewall you cannot have fine grained control [07:07] right ! thank you [07:08] but depending on how many users you have and what they do as part of their job, implementing it can be a real PITA [07:10] Ojg (n=Ojg@uhp037.tekproj.bth.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:10] ok [07:10] I will checking [07:11] gbonvehim (i=1000@200.69.244.1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:12] Ojg (n=Ojg@ojg-laptop.tekproj.bth.se) joined ##slackware. [07:20] Zordrak, people in my LAN can make a vpn connection without caring my proxy ? or they can't ? [07:21] If you intend to completely restrict traffi unless you have specifically allowed it then you must block ALL connections from LAN to WAN with the exception of the machine running squid [07:21] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:21] then anything squid is configured to proxy for will work through squid.. anything else wont [07:22] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:23] Zordrak, YES [07:23] thank you a lot [07:24] Zordrak, you are helping me to becoming a sys admin quickly ;) never forget that :) [07:24] np [07:30] quickly becoming a sys admin [07:30] what is wrong with that sentence [07:30] slackytude: i know... just let it go [07:31] you can never be totally sure what the sentence was originally intended to mean :) [07:32] ^-^ [07:34] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-159-125.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [07:35] o/ [07:36] Yes, frullet? Speak up, boy! [07:36] :) [07:36] Zordrak: hows it'? :) [07:37] hairy and fortified. you? [07:38] caffeine stimulated with the flu, cant complain.. [07:42] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:42] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425465.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:42] slackytude, I mean that if you come from programming world, it will be so easy to become a sys admin :) because ... [07:42] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [07:43] amiralul (n=quassel@86.122.14.1) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."). [07:45] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425465.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:45] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:48] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: "leaving" [07:49] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [07:49] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:54] The_Faithful, I know some programmers who can't even read stdin but do all sorts of fancy algorithmns [07:55] give them a shell and they cry for momma [07:55] so like textpad ftw? [07:55] huh? [07:57] The_Faithful: not exactly - but programmer's usually have some form of discipline that helps them learn to admin as well. I've known some good admins that couldn't code their way out of an drag/drop IDE [07:57] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:58] rucinter (n=quassel@86.122.14.1) joined ##slackware. [07:59] VALLEYBROINC (n=VALLEYBR@pool-141-157-84-106.balt.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:59] ok :) [08:04] kama (n=kama@host168-230-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[08:12] well, no crashes yet ;) [08:12] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:12] i didnt check which one it ended up in.. but .3 or .4 is the time frame [08:13] I had to avoid KMS for awhile for the tiling bug on 965's, but that seems OK now [08:13] as the drm tree's master branch is linus tree [08:13] oh nice [08:13] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:14] so you got the entire ball of wax going now? [08:14] well, mesa 7.4.2, libdrm 2.4.11, intel 2.7.1, x-server 1.6.1, and kernel 2.6.29.3 :> [08:15] do you have packages? [08:15] hi, delete does not work in console applications (yakuake) and prints ~ instead of deleting a character. Any ideas? [08:15] bugger... am i gonna have to recompile amarok for shitpod support? [08:16] purist (n=infiiini@ppp121-44-31-192.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [08:16] hi all, A file permission question for the gurus, user xyz is in group xyz and group users, by default when they create a file under /somedir which is listed as being owned by xyz.users the new file created belongs to xyz.xyz, how can I get the new file to belong to xyz.users by default? [08:17] VALLEYBROINC (n=VALLEYBR@pool-141-157-84-106.balt.east.verizon.net) left irc: "MegaIRC v4.05 http://ironfist.at.tut.by" [08:17] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:17] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:17] purist: google "force gid" [08:17] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:18] Ojg (n=Ojg@ojg-laptop.tekproj.bth.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:18] Zordrak: thanks, i'll look that up now [08:21] purist: specifically setgid bit for a dir [08:21] ljubak (n=ljubak@cable-94-189-146-148.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [08:22] Zordrak: it seems that chmod g+s /directory is supposed to force subdirectories to have the same gid as the parent on subdirs of /directory, but this doesn't seem to be the case for me. [08:23] Zordrak: brb [08:24] purist: you're on slackware ? I thought xyz.users would be proper [08:25] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:26] Zordrak, thrice, thanks guys, got it sorted, cheers. :) [08:26] given that *most* people know more about amarok than me... is the portable media device support missing in -current because its not compiled in, because a module is not there or for some other upstream reason? 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[08:32] Zordrak: I have amarok2, but on 12.2 and no media device to test [08:34] ts just like theres configuration soections missing in the Configure Amarok dialogue [08:34] <3 rhythmbox [08:35] purist (n=infiiini@ppp121-44-31-192.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net) left irc: [08:36] rucinter (n=quassel@86.122.14.1) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:38] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:39] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [08:39] hey [08:41] konnichiha [08:42] sup superGear [08:43] scubacuda_ (i=rog@142.sub-75-202-108.myvzw.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:43] nothing [08:44] getting ready to goto work :| [08:44] ivob (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [08:44] ouch - im just installing current on my eeepc [08:44] cool [08:44] scubacuda (i=rog@81.sub-75-200-91.myvzw.com) left irc: Connection timed out [08:44] attempting to :p [08:45] superGear: what sort of work do you do? [08:45] "goto considered harmful"... and I guess goto work would be even more harmful :) [08:45] hi compl3x:) [08:45] hey hitest [= [08:45] :) [08:46] i kill people in Japan ;P [08:46] superGear: niice :p [08:46] I dont know anyone in japan :p [08:46] okay [08:46] unless any of you guys are [08:46] no [08:46] using nproxies/shells/bncs/whatever [08:46] Ojg (n=Ojg@ojg-laptop.tekproj.bth.se) joined ##slackware. [08:47] any of the regulars from japan? [08:48] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:49] uker? [08:49] yuhuh [08:49] duryodhan (n=duryodha@nat/yahoo/x-d571c723ace4c9ef) left irc: "leaving" [08:51] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:52] I know someone that's moving to japan this week [08:52] Id love to. ]= [08:57] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:57] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.107.47) joined ##slackware. [08:59] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:59] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:00] wow wtf [09:01] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-166-247.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [09:01] i didnt realise pat was repacking source tarballs as tar.xz too! [09:01] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.34.59) joined ##slackware. [09:01] yep [09:02] ljubak (n=ljubak@cable-94-189-146-148.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:03] seems a bit daft... but i suppose if he,s trying to save space on the source cds too [09:03] either that or he's running out of cash for bandwidth :) [09:03] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:04] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [09:06] heh [09:06] dont ppl use torrents these day [09:06] yeah but you still got current. [09:06] not for rsyncing the current source [09:06] there's no issue with using txz for everything [09:06] rite [09:07] Dominian: so long as gnu tar continues to autodetect compression [09:08] eldragon (n=eldragon@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. [09:08] noticed cause im about to use pats build to build amarok 2.1beta2 [09:08] Nick change: eldragon -> maxote [09:09] eh [09:09] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@189.87.99.145) joined ##slackware. [09:09] What does tar doing autodetection have to do with txz? [09:09] Just learn the switches... [09:09] before tar autodetected all that.. it was all manual.. [09:09] not having to modify the slackbuild switches for pat source vs upstream source [09:10] anyone good with automake? [09:10] only in the biological sense [09:11] how do you get automake/ginstall to copy over an empty folder, I need this folder for use for something at runtime but at compile time it is empty [09:11] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:12] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:12] sorry - forgot the tag and I'm short on sleep :) [09:13] BLARRRRRRR [09:13] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:13] ROAR [09:14] juice: for a slackware package, it would be in the /install/doinst.sh script. otherwise don't know [09:14] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-166-247.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:14] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:17] holy crap ! http://lwn.net/Articles/333623/ [09:17] crappy hole ! [09:18] i dont get it [09:18] hope they get rid of the zionist flag [09:19] a polemic about flags, look what rpm made of them ! ='( [09:20] ffs I hope Fedhora one day somehow causes a genocide event so it may be burnt at a stake [09:21] it embodies visceral hate for me [09:21] why ? any specific point ? [09:21] mount -o loop,ro initrd.dsk initrd/ - this wont work - any suggestions? [09:21] just says mount: no such file or directory [09:22] please dont get me started.. i can understand your interest... but i really dont wanna do this right now [09:22] compl3x, well, is initrd.dsk in the current directory, and is initrd/ in the current directory ? [09:22] http://imgur.com/6n3i5.jpg [09:22] Camarade_Tux: yeah [09:22] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:23] Zordrak, anything beside what you could already hate in ubuntu or debian ? [09:23] Camarade_Tux: much [09:23] chowabunga, haha, but I don't trust that ;) [09:24] Camarade_Tux: your point.... ^ [09:24] Dominus (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:24] Dominus (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:25] iiiinteresting.... in a slackbuild: /usr/lib${LIBDIRSUFFIX}/foo [09:27] grrr mount no such file or directory - YES THERE IS [09:27] DIW [09:27] compl3x: strace it [09:27] compl3x, dmesg |tail ? [09:27] NO THERES NOT [09:28] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@189.87.99.145) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:28] Invalid media value - and gfs2 mount does not exist - hmm i think i know my problem [09:28] -t ext2 [09:28] ? [09:29] the step before this was gunzip -cd /mirror/Slackware/slackware-11.0/isolinux/initrd.img > /tmp/pxe/initrd.dsk [09:30] PXE is nothing but a pain in the arse [09:30] for me anyways [09:30] wheres alienBOB when you need him :p [09:31] Azalyn (n=junon@modemcable061.93-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:33] fighting crime in a cape? [09:33] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@189.87.99.145) joined ##slackware. [09:33] thrice`: do you have packages of said x builds? [09:34] or driking beer :) [09:36] compl3x: what does "file initrd.dsk" say? [09:36] macavity: dw now - found a script abob made [= [09:37] compl3x: last time i fiddled with it i had to unpack it with cpio before i got "real" disk image out of it [09:37] macavity: hmm cheers ill try it [09:38] macavity: what switches did you use? [09:39] wdyy (n=kvirc@123.80.27.247) left irc: "KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:39] compl3x: uhm, i *think* it was cat initrd.dsk | cpio -i > mountable.img [09:40] compl3x: or some such... i remember i had to fiddle with it quite a bit, as cpio has something to make up for in sanity... [09:40] macavity: im having issues getting the image from the initrd - abob has made a script but isnt workin. [09:40] HeatHawk[AP] (n=kevin@fw.exitcertified.com) joined ##slackware. [09:40] that i gather [09:41] /sata.i/System.map.gz: No such file or directory - hmm [09:41] oh wait. dont use the zunziped version [09:41] before i move on.. does anyone want the amarok 2.1beta2 package im just about finished building? just to be polite [09:41] just run cpio on initrd.img and modify it according to your needs [09:41] no wait.. [09:41] damn, i am not awake yet [09:42] zcat initrd.img | cpio -i > mountable.img [09:42] or something like that [09:42] macavity: you know im trying to get the dsk out of it? http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:pxe stage "Creating an initrd.img - will that be sufficient ^ [09:42] Action: slackytude pours a bucket of cold water over macavity [09:42] good morning sunshine [09:42] you make me happy, when skys are grey [09:42] Action: chowabunga pours a cold water of bucket over macavity [09:43] compl3x: you better grap hold of alienBOB then :P [09:44] chowabunga: do you have a deathwish? [09:44] macavity> yes [09:44] why you ask [09:44] chowabunga, look out! [09:44] hes behind you, with a knive! [09:44] Action: macavity slays slackytude for pouring cold water and chowabunga for using obnoxious sentenses [09:44] Action: slackytude dies [09:45] too late [09:45] nice speeeeling [09:45] anyone wants coffee? [09:45] Action: alienBOB wrote his docs so that people would not have to ask all these questions in IRC. So... re-read [09:45] compl3x: magic airmail just arrived for you :P [09:45] Present-day initrd.img is NOT a gzipped loop-mountable image, but a cpio archive [09:45] afk [09:45] alienBOB: ah right. makes sense then [09:45] That is all I am going to say about it. [09:46] that is probably why the Arch people call their initrds initrd.cpio :P [09:46] really afk [09:47] initrd, a single name for a whole bunch of different things :) [09:47] I will update that pxe article so that it makes more sense for slackware as it is now [09:47] alienBOB: :) [09:47] Action: Zordrak loves not ever having anything to do with initrds [09:48] Action: Camarade_Tux uses huge kernels not to use initrds :) [09:48] bigger is better! :) [09:48] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.10.168) joined ##slackware. [09:48] compl3x: the isolinux/initrd.img file can go into the /tftpboot directory right away, unmodified [09:48] Action: slackytude uses his initrd all the time [09:48] alienBOB: oh right - awesome , what about the cfg? [09:49] What cfg [09:49] alienBOB: My bad - miss read something [09:49] BP{k}: ping [09:50] actually, I use custom kernels, I guess I have no use for initrd-s [09:50] BP{k}: I'm getting nuts with bitlbee. I'm getting that Short write() to server error again in bitlbee and gtalk [09:50] compl3x: read the README_PXE.TXT on the Slackware DVD which you bought. That is applicable [09:50] Or look at ftp://slackware.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-current/usb-and-pxe-installers/README_PXE.TXT [09:51] cheers bob-o [09:51] chowabunga_ (n=chowabun@c-24-126-163-118.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:53] ljubak (n=ljubak@cable-94-189-146-148.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [09:54] gooph (n=chatzill@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:56] http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/19/business/19credit.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=print [09:56] heh may help if i have my dhcp server running [09:58] you are beyond help [10:01] chowabunga_: why are you still here? [10:02] gah this is a pain - atleast its finding my pc now - just tftp open timeout [10:03] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [10:06] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:06] suck it up [10:06] no one said pxe is z [10:06] ez [10:06] :p [10:06] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-24-126-172-156.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:07] tis baffeling - i have inted conf setup correctly - restarted - I have my dhcpd conf pointing to the tftp server.. [10:07] Kaapa: let me build it on my -current brick. I'll see if it gives me probs. This is just bitlbee+gtalk (ie no other protocols) [10:08] BP{k}: thanks. It's stupid, it worked yesterday. I thought I had nailed down the problem last time, when I switched to gnutls [10:09] now I can see with ldd that it's using gnutls but still gets that stupid error [10:09] missing gnutls means you compiled it, updated gnutls, and didn't rebuild it [10:11] gnutls hosed the ABI in a normal release? [10:11] seems odd for a soname bump on a minor release, though [10:13] the schem is API_CHANGE.ABI_CHANGE.NO_CHANGE, right ? [10:14] thrice`: slackbuild for bitlbee uses openssl for ssl support [10:14] that doesnt fit the glibc style... they havent done an ABI change in many years [10:15] macavity: gnutls hoses the ABI with *every* release. The surprise would be if they did *not* hose it. [10:15] even minor releases ? [10:15] Yes. [10:15] silly :> [10:16] ohgawd [10:16] Look back at the ChangeLog. I dare you to find a time when gnutls was upgraded and then pidgin and proftpd didn't need a rebuild. [10:16] rworkman: ill remember that :P [10:16] There might be one, but as I said, I'll be surprised. :) [10:16] rworkman: do you have a library-consistancy script, by chance ? [10:17] ha [10:18] tftp open timeout gah I hate that [10:18] Define the specs of what you're asking - I'm actually not sure :) [10:18] I guess not :( I dont' think it'd be hard, to run through /var/log/packages/* output (trimmed for files), scan + grep, and report packages with broken links? [10:18] hi, delete does not work in console applications (yakuake) and prints ~ instead of deleting a character. Any ideas? [10:19] Shouldn't be. You mean like "$library: not found" errors? [10:19] kr_eten, you mean the keyboard key ? [10:19] juice: Got any suggestions? All my tftp stuff looks correct but my client just isnt getting the tftp - [10:19] yes [10:19] Camarade_Tux, yes [10:19] rworkman: sure, even ldd | grep missing or so :) [10:19] at work they try to tell me that happens cause inetd needs restarted but I have my doubts [10:19] firewall? [10:20] kr_eten, which shell ? [10:20] yakuake (konsole) [10:20] last chance for anyone who wants my amarok 2.1beta2 package... [10:20] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.10.168) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:20] juice: nope - checked.. [10:21] rworkman: maybe, run file on /var/log/packages/* outputs to single out shared libraries; for those sets, run ldd and grep for missing, and then return the package name if it's guilty [10:21] compl3x, dhcp server on the same box? [10:21] as the tftp server [10:21] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) left ##slackware. [10:22] what pxe error number is it? [10:22] juice: yeah using inetd for the tftp and dhcpd for dhcp [10:25] juice: PXE-e32 I beleive.. [10:25] kr_eten, can't really say/test, I'm not using kde =/ [10:25] okay if they were on different servers you need a line [10:25] but if both services are running on the same server n/m [10:25] thrice`: objdump is more accurate [10:25] Camarade_Tux, what are you using? [10:25] thrice`: ldd reports indirect dependencies [10:25] kr_eten, bare openbox and xterm [10:25] kr_eten: detel/backspace work just fine for me in yakauke. [10:25] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [10:25] juice: ill start fresh see how it goes.. [10:25] thrice`: eg, returns false positives [10:25] s/detel/delete/ [10:25] macavity: it shouldn't for shared libraries [10:25] compl3x: I updated the Wiki article. It reflects Slackware 12.2 now (and -current of course) [10:25] alienBOB: Thankyou :) [10:25] thrice`: appfoo uses libbar which uses libbaz -> ldd appfoo returns libbar and libbaz [10:25] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:25] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [10:25] thrice`: objdump | grep NEEDED only returns libbar [10:25] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [10:25] hmm well... when i am with "su - myuser" it works :) [10:25] i will have to check what is the difference [10:26] i am almost sure adding some includes to ~/bash* will fix the issue [10:26] o'rly :) [10:26] thrice`: ldd calculate what is needed to start appfoo, and in this case, if libbz is needed appfoo wont start [10:26] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [10:26] errr.. if libbaz is *missing* appfoo wont start [10:27] whats the advantage of running -current.... isnt it beta stuff so it will constantly update until froze and made stable [10:27] and ldd appfoo will return broken linking for libbar and libbaz, even though just libbar might need rebuilding ? [10:27] but the ELF table of appfoo does not contain any refferences to libbaz (unless it was linked with libtool, which do to a bug hardcodes libbaz as a dependency) [10:27] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [10:28] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:28] thrice`: exactly [10:29] thrice`: i am currently baning my head against the libtool bug centered around this [10:29] thrice`: and if you want a script that does what you described above, i haz it :P [10:29] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [10:30] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:30] macavity: something that returns package names too ? :) [10:31] yes [10:31] awesome, I might be interrested :) [10:31] alienBOB: ive followed the guide to the word however when booting i get a tftp timeout error - would you suggest i use dnsmasq instead? [10:31] thrice`: it returns them as dependency pairs, suitable for tsort [10:32] thrice`: thus, if you run it over a series of interdependant packages, you can just | tsort | tac and get a buildorder :-) [10:33] ivob (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [10:34] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [10:34] thrice`: http://pastebin.ca/1427480 [10:34] macavity, nifty [10:36] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:37] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [10:37] hmm netstated for tftp and didnt find a thing. [10:37] thrice`: i have another script that you can easily modify to just print the path to the packagelogs of everything that contians that links to what-ever.so [10:38] thrice`: http://pastebin.ca/1427488 [10:38] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [10:39] macavity: neat :) [10:39] thrice`: just replace [lib]xcb-xlib. with $1 [10:40] thrice`: then you can have all packages gathered that either has hard so links, or libtool links to whatever-lib.[so/la] [10:40] Yes sorted [= [10:41] my script-fu got better from writing those two scripts for sure :P [10:41] thrice`: uhm do you happen to have tgz's of you x packages? [10:42] thrice`: never mind.. have to go [10:42] l8r folks [10:45] byebye [10:45] BP{k}: did it work? [10:47] umislack (i=1000@58.64.92.86) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:48] waay pxe booting [= [10:50] hmm should I stick with ext3 - or move onto 4?. [10:50] 4 is still considered experimental - even by kernel standards [10:50] compl3x, yes [10:51] yes stay or yes move .. :p [10:51] correct [10:51] both :) [10:51] maan :p [10:51] it's considered stable enough for testing, not stable enough for production [10:51] 3 tis' [10:51] jota-_ (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. 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[11:28] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:29] Hi. Does anybody speak Portuguese here? [11:29] Ojg (n=Ojg@ojg-laptop.tekproj.bth.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:31] Starchaser: #slackware-br [11:31] would be your best bet :) [11:33] I always look up people info, coming from russia ? :p [11:33] i'm banned there don't know why [11:33] yes [11:34] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:34] i looking for man for translate some labels for slackware-related project ) [11:35] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.199.190) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:35] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-164-37.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:35] Camarade_Tux: France?) [11:36] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Connection timed out [11:37] Starchaser, yep :) [11:37] RitualMast3r (n=maddoc@62.221.144.229) joined ##slackware. [11:37] hi all [11:38] i got problem with X11 libary - xinit: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libxcb-xlib.so.0: undefined symbol: _xcb_lock_io [11:38] what may i do? [11:38] RitualMast3r, have you updated some packages but not all ? [11:38] WindMaker (n=WindMake@unaffiliated/windmaker) joined ##slackware. [11:38] WindMaker (n=WindMake@unaffiliated/windmaker) left ##slackware. [11:39] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [11:39] no [11:39] i reinstall xcb library [11:39] but get the same result [11:39] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@69.79.78.59) joined ##slackware. [11:39] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@69.79.78.59) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:40] afaiu you would rather have to upgrade the package containing xinit actually [11:41] (which is named ... xinit ! ) [11:41] Camarade_Tux: i work in French company. [11:42] the same result [11:42] i don't update parts of X11 [11:42] RitualMast3r, when did that start to happen ? [11:42] Starchaser, which one ? [11:43] when i exit XFCE [11:43] yht (n=yht@114.121.106.138) joined ##slackware. [11:43] and even inside it won'ts run any programs [11:43] have you updated gtk ? [11:43] no [11:43] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.83) joined ##slackware. [11:44] Camarade_Tux: small company. i guess it not familar for you [11:44] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [11:45] you are not working at Mandriva, are you? ;) [11:45] firebird619: are you seriously up? [11:45] no. never )))) [11:45] RitualMast3r, what did you do or what changed just before that happened ? [11:46] Howdy. [11:46] Camarade_Tux i try to install VLC media player [11:48] Herman (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:49] RitualMast3r, and have you installed anything while doing that ? (really *anything*) [11:49] firebird619, hi :) [11:49] some libraries requid by VLC [11:49] RitualMast3r, which ones ? [11:50] i don't remember :P [11:50] just a momment [11:52] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@189.87.99.145) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:52] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) joined ##slackware. [11:53] |kevlinux| (n=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:53] tecky: yup [11:53] brb [11:53] Greetings and salutations [11:54] maybe i try to update xcb :P [11:54] Greetings MrHales [11:54] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [11:55] How goes the battle? [11:56] slugmax (n=slugmax@wsip-68-15-55-87.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:56] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.139.122) joined ##slackware. [11:56] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@189.87.99.145) joined ##slackware. [11:56] Ah, reinforcements... [11:56] heh [11:56] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [11:58] confrey (n=dario@94.163.161.91) joined ##slackware. [11:58] hi everybody [11:58] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:59] Howdy. [12:02] grub has killed my bootsector once again. [12:02] BP{k}: Now, it logged in!! [12:02] Absolutely amazing [12:03] compl3x: grub cannot do things on its own. I'm guessing it might be grub's user [12:04] thrice`: no- I had grub installed from a previous distro - just installed slackware and lilos failing to overwrite it [12:04] what do you use guys to write a simple webpage? [12:04] dissocia1ive: vim [12:04] vim [12:04] lol [12:04] dissocia1ive: cat or vim [12:04] can I say cat or ed ? [12:04] Camarade_Tux: too late ;) [12:04] BP{k}, ='( ! [12:04] I'll stick with ed then :) [12:04] do you use vim to write directly in html language? [12:05] dissocia1ive, yep :) [12:05] plus you said a simple webpage so it won't be very difficult ;) [12:05] well, normally I sacrfice a goat to see if the gods wil magically grant me html code by randomly pounding on the keyboard. [12:05] However, failing that .... [12:05] or when you don't have a goat... [12:05] any ideas? [12:06] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-a5ffe3ab76e6e942) left irc: [12:06] Try HTML/XHTML: The Definitive Guide from O'Reilly [12:06] :-D [12:06] Action: MrHales takes his copy into a dark corner and makes sweet, sweet love to it... or reads it... it's really dark over there and difficult to tell. [12:07] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:07] yay lilo ftw [12:08] RitualMast3r, what is the most simple application you can reproduce the problem with ? [12:09] Alternatively, if markup languages scare you, I suppose you could make use of, like, Quanta or something, dissocia1ive. [12:09] WYSWIG is it? :p [12:09] Or deal with what comes out of WYSIWYG word processors, which involves much wailing and gnashing of teeth [12:10] Camarade_Tux it won't run X server at all [12:10] WYSIWYG* [12:10] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:10] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:10] bojevnik (n=Bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [12:10] Quanta, last I used it, was *sorta* WYSIWYG... you could flip back and forth between code and page render, but it never worked *quite* like it was supposed to.. of course, that was years ago... [12:11] It's probably full of wonderfulness and light, now. [12:11] Kaapa: hm, what did you change? [12:11] makerc (n=makerc@200-158-26-81.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:11] Although, if I remember correctly, it made use of the same rendering engine as Konqueror... so the render was nice. [12:12] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:12] BP{k}: nothing! I gave up hours ago and it wan on the normal 900s reconnect cycle [12:12] Again, take all this with a salt lick, because I parted ways with such "easy to use" tools shortly after kicking the Micro$haft habit. [12:13] I think Quanta (Quanta+, maybe?) came with the web-devel package for KDE.... You may already have this thing! [12:14] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] whats the advantage of running -current.... isnt it beta stuff so it will constantly update until froze and made stable [12:16] yep. the benefit is running the latest and greatest software, and helping test out the release [12:17] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [12:17] alienBOB: what drivers you got running on your eeepc 1000h ( video drivers ) [12:17] it's actually incredibly stable, and works perfectly. the downfall is that COULD break at any time (but, realistically, usually never does) [12:18] it also really assumes you know how to fix your own issues when this happens [12:18] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:19] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.90.19) joined ##slackware. [12:19] hi everybody [12:20] hey confrey [12:20] can I use Mac OS X appications in linux slackware? [12:20] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.139.122) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:21] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.139.50) joined ##slackware. [12:21] no [12:21] cgannon_ (n=cgannon@71-88-49-19.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:21] thrice`: is your 'no' for me? [12:21] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.74.59) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:22] jota-_ (n=jota@190.6.1.152) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:22] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425465.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:23] cgannon_ (n=cgannon@71-88-49-19.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:23] is it possible to use ssh on a remote machine to connect to my local machine in such a way that I can get a shell on the remote machine? (similar to how vnc allows for that "listening mode" on the client) [12:23] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:23] confrey: yes :) [12:24] Kaapa: okay, I see the "Short write() to server" error as well. (but that is still with openssl) [12:26] slugmax (n=slugmax@wsip-68-15-55-87.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:29] coml3x: I'm not alienBOB, but the intel driver works on my 900a just fine. X.org picks up the card with no problems. [12:29] compl3x, too [12:30] MrHales: ah cool illgive it a shot in a bit [= [12:31] Camarade_Tux any ideas? [12:31] The 1000H still uses that Intel mobile thing, like GM945 or something? [12:32] er... + , right? [12:32] RitualMast3r, not really^W^Wdo you have anything in /usr/local/ ? [12:33] yes? [12:33] there is folder lib [12:33] is it empty ? [12:33] and there is xcb libraries [12:33] =) [12:34] they're taking predecence over the ones you have in /usr/lib [12:34] and some libwx_gtk2 [12:34] (that's why reinstalling the xcb package did nothing) [12:35] oh yeah i fix it :> [12:35] I don't know where /usr/local/lib/*xcb*.so* came from [12:35] you should use slackbuilds ;) [12:35] yep ;) [12:35] thanks a lot! ;) [12:36] confrey (n=dario@94.163.161.91) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:36] =) [12:36] /usr/local/ is evil [12:36] well, except for gnome things :D [12:36] :D [12:37] Camarade_Tux: /usr/local evil? [12:37] but i don't have gnome installed ;) [12:37] Camarade_Tux: i must be one of the sith then [12:37] compl3x: the wikipedia article about eeepcs should give you all the info you need [12:37] RitualMast3r (n=maddoc@62.221.144.229) left irc: "BitchX: The FAQ maker!" [12:37] yosii, imho, if you don't want it to touch /usr, you can give another path by yourself [12:38] Camarade_Tux: like kde used to with /opt? [12:38] I've already given /ocaml, /ocaml_exp, /x86_64-pc-mingw{32,64}, /whatever [12:38] um, clogging / is far worse practice [12:39] there are (at least) two big problems with /usr/local : first, it's automatic (both at configure-time and runtime), second it takes precedence over regular /usr [12:39] I don't put many things in / directly, only toolchains [12:40] and right now, most of things are away [12:40] Taking precedence over /usr in the default PATH is by design. [12:40] compl3x: the wifi should be trivial to set up (rt2869). the gfx is supported out of the box by the intel xorg driver (GMA950/i945mobile) [12:40] If some one installs a new copy of foo into /usr/local, they probably want to use that rather than the old one that came with the OS. [12:41] I guess everybody doesn't agree on what should be assumed and what shouldn't ;-) [12:41] They might not want or be able to remove the old one though, because some other binaries might depend on it. Therefore, it makes sense for /usr/local to have a higher preference in the default PATH variabl. [12:41] macavity: not sure about the eeepc, but on a presario c700, wifi, video, and sound is straightforward, unless you're a tool(me) [12:41] (I agree most of the time people want to use that new lib, but the mix between /usr/local and /usr is bad 99% of the time) [12:41] After all, if they didn't intend to use it, they wouldn't have installed it. [12:42] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:42] Why? [12:42] What exactly is bad about it? [12:42] Action: thrice` wonders too [12:42] it's not ideal, but surely not bad [12:42] Alan_Hicks, because what is directly in /usr has not been updated/recompiled usually [12:43] What you just said... that doesn't make sense to me. Why does that make using /usr/local bad? [12:44] yosii: on a fubar2000+ it is probably straight forward too... but since it is a completely other brand, and a completely other design team behind, that information is, given the context, totally and utterly useless [12:44] macavity: true [12:44] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.139.50) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:45] Kenjiro (n=kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) joined ##slackware. [12:45] Kenjiro (n=kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) left ##slackware. [12:46] Alan_Hicks, right, /usr would be equally bad but /usr/local makes it harder to debug (that's what I've noticed) and /usr/local is "advertized" as a solution but I find it doesn't solve anything [12:46] yosii: the reason i pointed it out to him, is that some EeePC models have troublesome wifi and video, while the 1000 series is nothing short of ideal wrt kernel drivers [12:46] macavity: the only point to be taken from the context, most hardware works after a straightforward setup [12:46] plus sometimes, tools don't always agree on what to use (some will prefer /usr/lib over /usr/local/lib [something in gtk]) [12:47] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.90.19) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [12:47] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.90.19) joined ##slackware. [12:48] and a new version would overwrite /usr/include iirc [12:48] macavity: the ones with troublesome wifi/video use atheros/nvidia, correct? [12:48] yosii: the netbooks that have Intel GMA500 and obscure Broadcom wifi can be a total disaster [12:48] Camarade_Tux: Well, you're certainly entitled to your own opinion. We'll just have to disagree here. /usr/local serves a very distinct and important purpose, namely being a solid heirarchy for sysadmins to install custom-compiled software outside their OS's packages, manage custom libraries, even install custom shell scripts, and (perhaps most importantly) back up all this custom data in one place. [12:48] no, forget that last one about include [12:48] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:48] yosii: na, atheros works most the time these days [12:49] macavity: yeah, these days [12:49] yosii: and nvidia have their binary poisonware that people can pick if they want [12:49] macavity: think a year ago, or even 2 years ago [12:49] Camarade_Tux: I don't think you understand what goes on. if the PREFIX is /usr/local/ by default, nothing should exist on top of that (except perhaps configs to /usr/etc). /usr/include will remain unwritten, while /usr/local/include will be used [12:49] yosii: right [12:49] thrice`, yeah, corrected that ;) [12:49] anyhow.. time for coffee [12:50] anyone want a cup too? [12:50] macavity: waking up to coke [12:50] just say no :P [12:50] macavity: not THAT coke [12:51] Alan_Hicks, I think that's because I've found tools not to behave consistently when it comes to /usr/local and now when I need to separate things, I just explicitely use another prefix which is not /usr/local [12:52] it also allows me to have several compilers for the same language at the same time, without worrying of mixups [12:52] Azalyn (n=junon@modemcable061.93-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:53] Camarade_Tux: have you ever tried testing your mingw binaries on reactos? [12:53] no one alive at #slackware-br [12:53] yosii, no, I never really had much time for mingw =/ [12:53] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:53] yosii, why ? [12:54] Camarade_Tux: was wondering how good it was as a test platform [12:54] yosii, a bit worse than wine imho [12:54] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [12:55] Camarade_Tux: since its win32 support lagged behind wine, i'd figure it'd be a good proving ground [12:55] unixfool (i=a63a4218@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-859bab4494373470) joined ##slackware. [12:56] it's not really lagging behind as most things are implemented [12:56] they're not always implemented correctly however [12:56] Camarade_Tux: ah... [12:56] (or are implemented correctly but the offical windows one isn't and there is a difference ;) ) [12:57] Camarade_Tux: that all depends on your definition of correct [12:57] yosii, probably "works as it is documented". [12:57] It's implied that implementations of non-documented functions would follow the win32 implementations. [12:58] i'm considering wipipng my main office computer and putting freebsd or linux on it ;/ [12:58] with a gui [12:59] iirc reactos should implement the win32 api bug-for-bug but it doesn't yet [12:59] Camarade_Tux: anyways, i get what you're saying...m$ has implemented functions contrary to their published documentation regarding those functions for years... [13:00] Action: compl3x is sorting out a new laptop with vista on it for someone [13:00] compl3x, my condolensces [13:00] How is it slow! its its second boot up [13:00] KillerV (i=root@shocktart.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [13:00] grr ms can suck my hairy [13:00] .. [13:00] compl3x: this machine came with vista...and i solved that issue [13:01] i installed vista on mine [13:01] i initially used it when i came out, regretting it [13:01] yosii, isn't that what we call a bug ? I'm not even saying windows is completely buggy, I'm merely saying that bugs exist ;) [13:01] but i have 12 gigs of ram man [13:01] jeev: longest time running vista for me - 2 hours - installed then removed :p [13:01] win7 is much better :) [13:01] an hour of that was probably waisted booting [13:01] compl3x, yeah, I tried it before removing it [13:02] Camarade_Tux: m$ calls it undocumented features [13:02] lol [13:02] Camarade_Tux: as far as win7, a friend tried it, and wiped it in favor of the new suse [13:02] win7 was actually ok [13:02] as far as speed [13:02] jeev: he called it 'absolute rubbish' [13:03] weird, i know vista is "rubbish" [13:03] opinions are ... [13:03] but 7 was surprising [13:03] i just wish they'd go back to the original search [13:03] i wiped slackware in favor of gentoo [13:03] i have to have a 3rd party search program now [13:03] yosii, sure, but I need windows ;) [13:04] heret|c, you heret|c ! [13:04] Camarade_Tux: the difference between slack and arch? [13:04] heret|c: gtfo :p [13:05] maan vistas making me want to commite suicide [13:05] ArchLinux is awesome >.< [13:05] archlinux is alright [13:05] i used it for a while. no real complaints [13:06] I get the fealing arch devs don't quite know what's going on, but are l33t enough to provide packages [13:06] I still prefer slackware :) [13:06] Camarade_Tux: ++++++= [13:06] +6, yeah ! \o/ [13:06] thrice`, yeah they kinda screwed up gnome back when i used it.. no complaints cause i wasn't a gnome user at the time. [13:08] i just regret that i learned the ins and outs of windowsxp [13:08] that has wasted SO much of my time... fixing *other* peoples problems [13:08] i wont make that mistake again.. [13:08] mv Vista Windows7 /dev/null [13:09] an easier fix is always a claw hammer [13:09] I basically don't use windows anymore but I still master anybody :) [13:09] ive become good at telling people to get a unix like OS before they call me again :P [13:09] macavity, I even got a sticker for telling that ! ;) [13:10] Camarade_Tux: oh, btw, how do you slip steam the .NET framework? [13:10] macavity: haha [= [13:10] macavity, just a sec, getting the links ;) [13:10] Camarade_Tux: my buddy has been baning his head against that for months.. it takes ages to do an install if you have to manually install all sorts of crap afterwards [13:11] want to slipstream it into windows, right ? with or without patches ? ;) [13:11] *banging [13:11] nlite :) [13:11] Camarade_Tux: we tried nlite.. but some of the registry settings went bonkers [13:11] macavity, you mean he could enjoy something like http://yaxm.org/wiki/ ? :) [13:11] macavity, visual ones ? [13:12] Camarade_Tux: we use xpisobuilder [13:12] true_norwegian_b (n=warlock@f049065094.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [13:12] Camarade_Tux: that is so far what has fucked up the least [13:12] oh wow! free 60 day trial to msoffice 2007!! woo :/ [13:12] and thousands of other bundled shite [13:12] compl3x: Acer machine? :P [13:12] macavity, http://yaxm.org/wiki/how:introduction [13:12] macavity: suprisingly not - sony o.0 [13:13] hfslip is a really good tool [13:13] the guys are crazy however : they wrote everything using batch files (roughly 2000 lines) [13:13] compl3x, dell is much worse ! [13:13] Camarade_Tux: I know [13:14] eviljames (i=101@96.49.81.107) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:14] Camarade_Tux: ill send that to him [13:14] I had taken a pic of a new dell with winxp, the start menu took all the screen (1280x1024) and it started using 600MB of memory [13:15] macavity, don't forget that is a bit old [13:15] O_O [13:15] I am trying to find that pic again :) [13:16] Camarade_Tux: well.. he just wants a windowsxp that has all the drivers needed, all the codecs needed, and a good collection of usefull apps (eg, firefox, office, notepad++, etc) [13:16] Brand new system - uninstalling 60 day office 2007 trial and its taking about 15 minutes -vista GTFO [13:16] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [13:16] driverpacks.net is great (also great for ndiswrapper) [13:16] Camarade_Tux: + all updates and frequently used runtimes.. and the end product must be fully unattended [13:16] as for softwares, well, one day, my package manager will be ready, one day [13:17] lulz [13:17] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:18] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [13:18] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.181) joined ##slackware. [13:18] waay 20 minutes roughly and still uninstalling - oh and now macafee is popping up saying my pc isnt fully protected. [13:18] http://qdb.us/296968 [13:19] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19] compl3x, that only means you sorted badly the list of things to remove :) [13:19] compl3x: sounds like the pc needs a SERIOUS dose of slack [13:20] yosii: I wish [13:21] Action: compl3x hates 70% of windows software developers - speciall the .net crew [13:22] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux [13:22] .net is alright actually [13:22] Camarade_Tux: go shoot yourself [13:22] but it makes developping software easier and as such, people developping crap develop more =/ [13:22] Camarade_Tux: and make sure you do it right [13:22] Camarade_Tux: thats true [13:24] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:24] one thing i like about windows?.. The fact everything takes so long to do I can have a smoke haha [13:25] lol [13:25] hi [13:25] Action: straterra notes Windows is faster than Linux on this machine [13:25] What kind of machine? [13:25] And what version/edition of Windows? [13:25] And what linux/config [13:25] on my vm, everything is slow. [13:25] Vista x64 on a Dell Optiplex [13:26] Hm. [13:26] lies. [13:26] quad core, 4 gigs of ram [13:26] Interesting [13:26] Yeah. I'll bet Windows for Workgroups really outperforms Linux on a P-III. [13:26] KillerV (i=root@shocktart.dreamhost.com) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]" [13:26] Exactly. [13:27] rofl office 2007 installs faster than it took to remove the 60 day trial o.0 [13:27] Action: Motoko-chan is sure that Windows 3.11 is faster than FC9 on a P1/133 [13:27] they've found the best way to promote linux at my school : the computers dual boot linux and windows, windows takes so long to boot and load that most people run linux ;p [13:27] Well..Vista is hella fast on here [13:27] (shared $HOME) [13:27] straterra, you have dual cores. [13:27] and thats with bitlocker [13:27] What Linux are you using to compare? [13:27] Motoko-chan: ubuntu :p haha jk [13:27] It ran Gentoo with a vanilla kernel [13:27] And what exactly sort of tests are you using to compare speeds? [13:28] General usability..not benchmarks [13:28] Gentoo is just asking for trouble. [13:28] Try something fancy, but not like that. [13:28] I found Linux was swapping excessively..for no apparant reason [13:28] gentoo is just asking for awesome [13:28] '_ [13:28] ;) [13:28] Naive automount question: what exactly is supposed to happen when I plug in a USB mass storage device? [13:28] Motoko-chan: did you even try slackware on it ay ay? :p [13:28] FC10 x86_64 or Mandriva 2009.1 x86_64 [13:28] Motoko-chan: uhm..its the same kernel you'd be running..So..unless you have a reason why Gentoo would be the issue... [13:29] if you get windows faster than http://yaxm.org/wiki/perfs without removing everything, I want to hear from you ;) [13:29] Gentoo has lots of weird quirks with patches and stuff. [13:29] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.7.199) joined ##slackware. [13:29] Such as? [13:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:29] beej71, if you have hald and are in the plugdev group. it should automount to /media and depending on your WM, open a browser window [13:29] Not to mention that it's probably recompiling for a new version of glibc in the background. [13:29] Alan_Hicks: I was also having some issues with KDE4 instability, but thats neither here or there [13:29] heret|c: thx [13:29] Alan_Hicks, lol [13:30] Seriously, I'm on Mdv 2009.1 right now and it's fast. [13:30] Even with standard boot (vs speedboot) [13:30] Am i the only person who still mounts his memory stick manually every time i use it?:p [13:30] No [13:30] and its fat formated XD [13:30] You can do boot profiling and such in Windows too.. [13:30] compl3x: Hell no. [13:30] heret|c: so if I'm in the plugdev group and nothing gets mounted there (lshal shows the device)... maybe my custom-built kernel is missing something? [13:30] I always mount manually :) [13:30] beej71, check dmesg output [13:31] Hmm wish my xbox would accept ext3 [13:31] If I'm doing something quick, I'll let KDE handle the mounting for the drag-and-droppery [13:31] xbox will use hfs [13:31] Generally, though, I always mount manually [13:31] compl3x: what's the point of hacking gaming console? [13:31] which is a much much better FS than fat [13:31] Motoko-chan: lots of stuff about usb connections, USB disk showing up, no errors. [13:31] compl3x: i'm just wondering... [13:31] stybla: who said anything about hacking? [13:31] beej71, check your group membership with "groups: [13:31] stybla: dont want to hack it - just wish it would accept ext3 formated media :p [13:31] straterra, xbox, hfs ? 0_o [13:31] I used hfs on an external drive with movies/shoes on my X-box [13:31] "groups" [13:31] Camarade_Tux: yes [13:32] Motoko-chan: users news uucp audio video cdrom games plugdev power wine doom davfs2 [13:32] Sorry for the typos, wokring on two different machines and three projects or so. [13:32] compl3x, straterra > ah, ok :) [13:32] isn't hfs mostly^Wonly used by mac/apple ? [13:32] For files larger than 2GB, you have to use hfs [13:32] Yes [13:33] straterra: you sure about that? you sure that's the only fs you can use for 2gb+ files? [13:33] Motoko-chan: does hal log its events someplace else? [13:33] yosii: on the X-Box, yes [13:33] the 360 supports fat and hfs for external media [13:33] fat doesn't allow files over 2gb..so..yes, I'm sure [13:33] straterra: really? hmm nice [13:34] vfat should be good up to 4GB [13:34] (right?) [13:34] thrice`: that's what i was thinking [13:34] vfat/fat32 [13:34] FAT16 is 2GB [13:34] FAT32 is 4GB [13:34] vfat,/fat32, not fat16 though [13:34] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.25) joined ##slackware. [13:34] iirc it supports bigger files if you have a bigger cluster size [13:35] umislack (i=1000@58.64.91.133) joined ##slackware. [13:35] Also, the table in FAT gets rather..large and slow with lots of files [13:35] iirc, fat16's fs size maxes out at 2G [13:35] file size is 2G, not fs size [13:36] i remember installing win95a that maxed out partition sizes at 2G [13:36] the installer may max it out at that [13:36] Or the partitioning tools, rather [13:36] straterra: yeah... [13:36] Windows 98 shipped with a crapola fdisk too [13:37] straterra: win95a's fdisk was identical to dos 6.22 [13:38] But alas..unless you have to use FAT on the xbox, just use HFS [13:38] heret|c (n=heretic@c-71-199-141-98.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:38] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:39] FAT16 (and maybe FAT32) support a maximum of 2GB per file. [13:39] The filesystem max size is larger. [13:39] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:39] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:40] Wikipedia says 2TB, although the overhead of such a filesystem would be tremendous. [13:40] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:40] Yeah [13:40] So just use HFS :P [13:41] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.116.159) joined ##slackware. [13:44] ccfreak2k: the largest file i was able to put on a fat32 without trashing the fs was just under 4G [13:45] yosii, what operating system? [13:46] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.70.74) left irc: ":wq" [13:46] which way does xorg.conf read display res, left to right or right to left? [13:47] Way - now sonys trying to force recovery disks on me for when vista comits suicide - High expectations aye sony? [13:47] i tried upgrading to slackware-current but i'm having error in installing glibc-solibs. any ideas ? [13:47] lf4: right to left I think [13:47] compl3x: ahh that would explain it. thanks compl3x [13:47] compl3x, they have to by contract or something. [13:48] compl3x, if you start sony's burning program, you'll see a new partition being listed in My Computer ;) [13:48] If you don't make them, you have to buy them from Sony. If Sony still sells them. [13:48] lf4: just a guess :p [13:48] It's to keep you from suing, I suppose. [13:48] Camarade_Tux: weird :p [13:50] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:51] Hey compl3x [13:51] good morning firebird619 [13:51] Hi Camarade_Tux, how are you? [13:51] hey firebird619 [13:51] Hi lf4, how's it going? [13:51] How are you compl3x [13:51] compl3x, they dynamically add an fs driver I guess, and then windows automounts [13:52] firebird619: good good man you? [13:52] firebird619: its going alright at least a little. [13:52] hey firebird619, doing well, and you ? [13:52] compl3x: doing great, thanks. [13:52] Camarade_Tux: ah right [13:52] firebird619: aweomse[= [13:52] Camarade_Tux: doing great, thank you. [13:53] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.80.45) joined ##slackware. [13:53] hi [13:53] hi [13:53] hi rg3 [13:54] i have a small font problem: the "Helvetica" font doesn't seem to be available when choosing fonts in gtk apps, but it is present in the classic "xfontsel" as usual; what am I missing? [13:55] rg3 from slackroll ? [13:56] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [13:56] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [13:56] zErOaCid: yes [13:56] rg3, cool coz i have a problem with it :p [13:57] zErOaCid: pm [13:57] thanks [13:59] the machine gets a little warm, and it doesn't want to reset the X [13:59] yosii: give it a diet coke on the rox and threaten it with a very large fire axe :P [13:59] lol [13:59] hey macavity, how are you? [14:00] perdy good, you? [14:00] doing great, thanks. Suppose to get to 90 F here today. [14:00] credo (n=36th@80.233.147.119) got netsplit. [14:00] sinkigobopo (n=sinkigob@unaffiliated/sinkigobopo) got netsplit. 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[14:00] dlg sucks dogs bollocks [14:00] ask Old_Fogie about gnome [14:01] macavity: in my personal experience, it works better on slamd than gsb [14:01] he has his own build system that doesnt PAM infest the system packages [14:01] bojevnik (n=Bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:01] macavity: and then you have the issue...once you install dlg, you can never really remove it [14:02] oh yes you can.. you just have to re-install a good handfull of system libs [14:02] ... all the ones that dlg replaces with its own PAMified versions [14:03] macavity: in my experience, there are still issues of pam still lurking in places you don't expect it [14:04] rucinter (n=rucinter@tei4-ap2.bizarnet.ro) joined ##slackware. [14:04] yosii: if that is the case you should send the Dagmar a pipebomb :P [14:05] s/the// [14:05] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) joined ##slackware. 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[14:25] Nick change: Bugz___ -> Bugz [14:25] ls -alrt /var/log/packages is best :) [14:25] oh man.. you guys have *NO* idea how much fuckup libtool has actually done [14:25] macavity: just mv /* /dev/null ;) [14:26] apps that have used libtool to link itself against libtool created archives have upto 75% many hard linked dependencies to .so files [14:28] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:28] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: "still trying to get xorg to work :P" [14:28] lf4, haha, you can't move /dev to /dev/null ! :D [14:28] ='( [14:29] Camarade_Tux: that would be...funny as hell [14:29] does kde4 get rid of qt 3? [14:29] yes [14:30] unless you install kde3-compat [14:30] ahh [14:30] macavity: which distro are you talking about? [14:30] win 20 [14:30] gah [14:32] does slackware current come with qt4 ? [14:32] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-63-93.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:32] compl3x, yep [14:32] Action: compl3x doesnt think so - was just checking [14:32] really :o [14:32] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.80.45) left irc: "Leaving." [14:32] Camarade_Tux: where to? [14:32] i thought it was an sbo? [14:32] hackedhead: same [14:32] it comes with kde4 ;) [14:32] oh.. so in -current [14:32] yosii: libtool is distro agnostic [14:33] there is an sbo for qt4 for 12.2 though [14:33] yosii: but with me you can take for grated that i talk about slackware [14:33] yosii: as it is the only OS under my roof [14:34] compl3x: -current has a rather well working KDE4 [14:34] compl3x: but still the same old outdated xorg... which is partly due to the linktime mess i am working on [14:34] macavity: right...but i've yet to see a kde3 compat package for 12.2 [14:35] yosii: ah, ok, that question.. i'm on -current [14:35] yosii: there is little point in kde3 compatibility for 12.2, as it comes with kde3 in the first place :P [14:35] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.44) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:36] macavity: exactly, have kde 3.5 installed [14:40] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-221-160.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:40] why has no one wrote a NVU slackbuild yet? :P [14:41] I don't like nvu : if you do something with it, change something by hand and reopen it with nvu, you're likely to lose your changes [14:41] even if you do these changes in nvu's editor btw [14:41] really? [14:42] not all changes of course but iirc, if you add some js, your change will be forgotten [14:42] Hmm ive looked everywhere but havent been able to find a solid answer - how to open source software companys make money? o.0 [14:42] (js or something else that is not directly visible when you look at the page) [14:42] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.11.124) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:42] compl3x, with support [14:42] Camarade_Tux: Donations? [14:42] compl3x: support/donations [14:43] yosii: ah right - guessed so but didnt think they could really work off that [14:43] compl3x: support gathers more funds than donations [14:43] compl3x: that's red hat's and suse's business model [14:43] compl3x, also, you can pay for a feature to be added [14:43] what do you mean by "support" - in what sense? [14:43] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [14:43] support, like helping users [14:43] hi guys [14:44] compl3x: someone whining on the phone..."my server went down" [14:44] oh right [14:44] or businesses [14:44] lol [14:44] it works well for them... [14:45] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:45] fuck.. i cant find a tool that manupulates the ELF tables .dynamic section :-/ [14:45] HeatHawk[AP] (n=kevin@fw.exitcertified.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:45] freack (n=frk@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: [14:45] macavity, hmm, vim ? [14:45] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-166-247.epm.net.co) left irc: "leaving" [14:45] mostly businesses...linux end users, for the most part, find help on forums or irc [14:45] (in that I think it is probably going to be the best tool for that) [14:45] i want to see what happens when i manually yank out linxcb-xlib.so, and then run it with LD_BIND_NOW=1 /lib/ld-linux.so.2 /path/to/file [14:46] businesses have mission critical stuff... [14:46] and they typically DON'T pay for it [14:46] Camarade_Tux: not good for automation... [14:46] although i HAVE offered the pizza system for pay [14:46] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:47] red hat has a sweet contract with nasa...i'm sure that's what's keeping them going [14:47] macavity: failure [14:47] macavity, saw http://developers.sun.com/solaris/articles/elf.html ? [14:48] kinda like sco's contracts with pizza hut and autozone [14:48] macavity: I read how gentoo handles the xlib thing, and they manually sed it out of .la files [14:48] Jean (n=jean@93-36-226-114.ip62.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [14:48] maybe I have not read up on autozone and sco. when I worked for them it was red hat 7.2 [14:50] panzer: sco had a contract for their backoffice for the longest time [14:50] panzer: maybe the contract has expired [14:50] ok. [14:50] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "leaving" [14:50] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [14:50] panzer: then again, that was before sco started suing everyone [14:50] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:51] panzer: and then lost the exclusive rights to unix in court [14:51] yea that kinda sours people on you. [14:52] panzer: i know sco still handles pizza hut's backoffice [14:52] that is crazy. [14:52] thrice`: that doesnt fix all the ELF binaries that has a superflourus link to it [14:53] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [14:53] but then again one does not need that much processing power to handle pizza [14:53] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) left ##slackware. [14:53] Um, SCO never did own UNIX [14:53] thrice`: that is, have a superflourus link to libxcb-xlib.so [14:53] panzer: i was a sco support engineer for a few years [14:53] lol37 (n=hfghgfh@abo-103-132-68.bdx.modulonet.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:53] Motoko-chan: they THOUGHT they did [14:53] macavity: nope, should just reduce the unnecessary rebuilds [14:53] hi all [14:53] i got kernel panic [14:54] how can i restore my old kernel ? [14:54] panzer: and you'd be surprised how much data flows from one store to corporate [14:54] lol37: did you add to your lilo.conf, or overwrite it ? [14:54] overwrite [14:54] fail XD [14:54] it was a custom kernel [14:54] so ? [14:54] but it fails [14:54] why would you NOT keep the failsafe to boot into ? [14:54] so i cannot launch linux anymore [14:54] rule is you generall keep a failsafe. [14:55] failsafe ? [14:55] grub has a failsafe [14:55] but not lilo [14:55] yes, keep a kernel that you know boots in your lilo.conf [14:55] lilo can have a failsafe. [14:55] you can list more than 1, of course [14:55] You just need to put it there. [14:55] macavity: http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/x11.git;a=blob;f=x11-libs/libxcb/files/xcb-rebuilder.sh;h=0f1a3aa753e469c2bf7feb7dc8dccf8d9e8e77df;hb=HEAD [14:55] And grub normally has one because the distro maker puts it there. [14:55] But how can i access it ? [14:55] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-228.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [14:55] etc/lilo.conf [14:55] lol37: you'll need to boot your installation with the CD [14:55] lol37: boot of a dvd [14:55] lol37, boot off the Slackware install media, mount your partition, and fix lilo.conf [14:55] it dont boot anymore [14:55] Lol [14:56] Ok [14:56] what on earth gave you the idea you were qualified to compile a kernel [14:56] lilo command work in the dvd ? [14:56] uhm..what? [14:56] well, i followed tut [14:56] for a 1000hz kernel realtime [14:56] for a gameserver [14:56] uhm..a kernel varies on the hardware [14:56] Unless the tutorial was for your exact hardware.. [14:56] alienBOB: any idea why vlc-0.8.6h-i486-2alien.tgz for 12.0 doesn't give me a GUI? It also reminds me to really upgrade Slackware but meh time.. [14:57] Hint: If you can't figure out how to recover from a bad kernel, you don't yet have the skills to do custom builds [14:57] Lol [14:57] hmmm, 1000Hz is for realtime, I wouldn't use 1000Hz on a server, even if it is a gameserver [14:57] thrice`: there are 87 packages that are infected by libxcb-xlib.*, of which 31 it is in the binaries themselves [14:57] i remember with my old distro [14:57] Camarade_Tux, agreed [14:57] Although newer kernels are tickless. [14:57] thrice`: what i am working on is, eventually, a libtool fix [14:57] grub was hugly more simple [14:57] than lilo [14:57] then run grub [14:57] How was grub simpler? [14:57] how ? [14:57] macavity: do you see their sed fix to .la files to reduce it, though ? [14:57] thrice`: and yes, i have read the gentoo fix too [14:57] is there a simple package ? [14:57] Action: compl3x runs [14:57] i dont wanna to **** my MBR [14:58] actually, lilo.conf is simpler than grub's menu [14:58] Check in /extra/ ? [14:58] But i cant choose kernel in boot [14:58] Ok [14:58] lol37: Boot of a slack dvd /cd [14:58] boot your slackware DVD, and read the prompt for "booting your system in a pinch" that prompts before you push enter [14:58] i feel menu.lst easy [14:59] lilo.conf is just as easy, it's 4 lines you needed to ADD (not replace) [14:59] Same thing, different syntax [14:59] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-11-64.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:59] my kernel panic was due because he didnt found my hdd [14:59] doesn't matter [14:59] =) [14:59] plug it in then [14:59] :p [14:59] what's with the 'upgraded' at the end of packages, that in this case, I upgrasded with slapt-get. Is it good? [14:59] you failed to compile the root FS or harddrive controller into the kernel [14:59] i think i unchecked sata drivers [15:00] so doesnt boot in hdd [15:00] Ok [15:00] btw [15:00] thrice`, initrd ftw [15:00] can u explain why i got 61 hz [15:00] with kdm [15:00] 61 hz? [15:00] Especially when using LVM for all partitions [15:01] refresh rate screen [15:01] my eyes are ***** [15:01] Because..Xorg was configured to run at that rate? [15:01] in windows i got 100 hz [15:01] without problem [15:01] Yea i think [15:01] Then properly configure xorg [15:01] lol37, default video driver is vesa. Update xorg.conf to the correct driver for your card. [15:01] nvidia ? [15:01] =) [15:01] i tryed to install it [15:02] said that he miss nvidia.ko [15:02] and kdm doesnt work [15:02] Try "nv" [15:02] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:02] Ok [15:02] And are you sure you are qualified to be running something like this? [15:02] like ? [15:02] what [15:02] Motoko-chan: :p [15:02] Rule #1: Research [15:03] yes it just that in a other distro [15:03] i havnt such problem [15:03] in the same way [15:03] ... [15:03] Many other distributions like to hold your hand and call you handsome. [15:03] thrice`: (not counting .la infections) these are the infected packages: http://www.pastebin.ca/1427733 and here is a file list of how many places it crept up: http://pastebin.ca/1427737 [15:03] Slackware isn't one of those. [15:03] Motoko-chan, you mean, you mean, I'm not handsome ? ='( [15:03] when you suck, slackware reminds you of it [15:03] Camarade_Tux, nope. [15:03] mummy ! ='( [15:03] Slackware is great when you really push to learn and read. [15:04] If you want easy, go get Ubuntu or FC. [15:04] macavity: infected with what? [15:04] Urgleflogue (n=plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [15:04] However, if they get messed up, it's a total disaster. [15:04] rucinter (n=rucinter@tei4-ap2.bizarnet.ro) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:05] lol37 (n=hfghgfh@abo-103-132-68.bdx.modulonet.fr) left irc: [15:05] afaict their package managers work great until something changes without being the effect of a package [15:06] antiwire: a "fake" dependency on libxcb-xlib.so [15:06] so...not some malware [15:06] Camarade_Tux, indeed [15:06] antiwire: the only library that *needs* libxcb-xlib.so is libX11.so [15:07] Camarade_Tux: thanks for that link! that was just what i needed! [15:07] macavity, you mean the link to yaxm.org ? lol :p [15:07] Or if you need to hand-edit xorg.conf to set the intel driver to use uxa or something... [15:07] Then the cute graphic tools get all confused. [15:07] Motoko-chan, hehe :) [15:08] Action: Motoko-chan did such, but doesn't use xrfbdrake anyway [15:08] Motoko-chan, soon they won't be able to handle /etc/X11/xorg.conf ;-) [15:08] I hear xorg.conf is going to go away. [15:08] Something about auto-detection. [15:09] yeah, it's going away [15:09] excapt nvidia's and ati's closed-source drivers don't work without xorg.conf [15:09] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [15:09] Whatever they do, it better work in every situation! [15:09] rucinter (n=rucinter@tei4-ap2.bizarnet.ro) joined ##slackware. [15:09] Camarade_Tux: no, i mean the link to libelf [15:10] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [15:10] lol [15:10] uva (i=bno@118-168-232-251.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:10] macavity, lol, I keep on forgetting the recent stuff, I guess I have alzheimer [15:10] are you serious about xorg.conf? [15:10] Camarade_Tux: if all else fails i will write a tool myself [15:10] heck.. ive written three so far :P [15:10] only randr works great to discover and autoconfigure displays, and nvidia and ati drivers don't work with randr [15:11] macavity, only three ? you still have plenty of time to spend then ;) [15:11] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:11] this is just to nail down ONE bug :-/ [15:11] The two penguins that appeared at the top of my screen after installing the latest kernel looked weird. Did they changed Tux with something else? [15:11] rucinter: what kernel? [15:11] rucinter, 2.6.29 ? [15:11] yes [15:12] but knowing how hard it can be to get the point across on some of the GNU mailing lists, i better come fscking well prepared [15:12] .29 kernel does that [15:12] but why in the world? [15:12] its a tazmanian devil [15:12] named tuz [15:12] someone didn't read the logs [15:12] but why? what was wrong with tux? [15:12] ... [15:12] rucinter: Yup! And I'm about to see eight of them on my screen. [15:12] and my moto is "only bring a knife to a fist fight if you are out of axes"... [15:12] Google has that answer [15:13] Shingoshi, I hate you ! [15:13] there is an explanation that is easy to find [15:13] The new ones look more intimidating [15:13] or maybe Wolfram Alpha? it's the new hype in town [15:13] umislack (i=1000@58.64.91.133) left irc: "leaving" [15:13] Just imaging seeing twenty-four of those little guys on boot up!! [15:13] Shingoshi: what's with eight of them? i don't get it [15:13] lol ! [15:13] http://www94.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=what+is+tux [15:14] http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2009/03/new-logo.html [15:14] yosii: Two processors == 8 penguines [15:14] Blog from Linus himself. [15:14] Camarade_Tux: http://www94.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=what+is+tuz [15:14] http://www94.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=what+is+slackware ='( [15:15] still fail [15:15] Shingoshi: ah... [15:15] Four six-cores processors == 24 penguins [15:15] http://img.qj.net/uploads/articles_module2/78506/fig03_qjpreviewth.jpg [15:15] Shingoshi: yes.. or six four-cores [15:15] nononono this can't be happening, I want Tux back [15:15] Calm down [15:15] Shingoshi: oh, wait.. you can also have twelve dual cores :P [15:15] rucinter, patch the old artwork back in [15:15] or just..24 UP's [15:16] rucinter: you will get tux back on .30 [15:16] I guess I have 0 wolframalpha-fu [15:16] great [15:16] I don't think there are any six-socket boards in existence. [15:16] must be because my google-fu is too high [15:16] rucinter: or you just take the logo.xpm from the .28 release and dump it in the .29 source [15:16] rucinter: mmmkay? [15:16] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:16] Action: rucinter switches off the panic mode [15:16] lulz [15:17] i disable boot logo anyhow, so i could care less [15:17] on wait.. i couldnt :P [15:17] couldnt [15:17] :)) [15:17] if you're that worried I assume you're paranoid enough to check the source signatures...right? [15:17] Good..that's one thing that PISSES me off [15:18] I too patched out tuz. he is quite ugly [15:19] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:19] i dont like that i have to reset the term after login if i use boot logo [15:19] yeah, tuz is pretty ugly unfortunately [15:20] 'Linux tux 2.6.30-rc5' :) [15:20] Action: Shingoshi is filled with nothing short of pride at the sight of penguins across the top of his screen. [15:20] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-26-251.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:21] macavity: it should disappear once the init scripts kick in [15:21] Some distributions patch their own image in place of Tux [15:21] or does for me [15:21] Motoko-chan, really ? I guess theses distro completely suck [15:22] lol [15:22] gentoo? >.> [15:22] Camarade_Tux, depends really. [15:22] thrice`, it progressively disappear but the behaviour is pretty bad [15:22] I think RH did that for a while too [15:22] my trolling is done for the month [15:22] I don't think patching out tux is bad. branding a distro is just as good as branding the penguin, I guess [15:24] branding is not bad imo, unless you remove someone else branding [15:24] well, remember that tux can be removed completely. so you're not really taking away someone elses branding, you're just showing your ownm [15:25] right, but I wouldn't stand eight redhat logos at boot-time, would definitely kill me ;p [15:26] Every user, of any distro, will be proud of any branding their distro chooses to use. [15:27] It's just the nature of humans. [15:27] The irrational need to belong. [15:27] you mean there are people being proud of ubuntu ? :D [15:27] eww [15:28] compl3x: +1 [15:28] on the other hand there are people proud of tektonik [15:29] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqRR10Xy3GU <- dangerous for your eyes [15:29] lf4 (n=KJR@71.199.22.31) joined ##slackware. [15:30] The newer kernels allow lzma compression. But what are the kernels called afterwards. Not bzImage? What, lzImage? [15:30] anyone used puppylinux? [15:30] I used urmomlinux [15:31] straterra: har har [15:31] gades (n=gades@190.33.62.19) joined ##slackware. [15:31] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:31] hi all [15:32] Shingoshi, still bzImage, they were called bzImage even though they were using gzip compression [15:32] Thanks. [15:33] I just wanted to make sure. I will be using lzma until xz is being used. [15:33] Hi gar0t0 [15:33] haha [15:34] How long has lzma been used in the kernel? [15:34] Shingoshi, the lzma code in the kernel actually comes from xz :) [15:34] (afaik) [15:34] Wow!! [15:34] Finally! [15:34] http://thingsididlastnight.com [15:34] Larzhu should be proud!! [15:35] rworkman, was she good ? [15:35] lol [15:35] Camarade_Tux: it's like food. [15:36] Some's better than others, but it's always better than being hungry. :) [15:36] haha [15:36] rworkman, I know, that's what straterra said too =/ [15:37] ha [15:37] Hi nix_lix3r, how's your day going? [15:38] bbl [15:38] bleh [15:38] sloinn (n=adam@84.19.44.79) joined ##slackware. [15:39] hi gar0t0 [15:39] nix_lix3r: that good eh? :P [15:39] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-147-177.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:39] oh yeah firebird619 [15:40] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.149.205) joined ##slackware. [15:40] hd (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [15:41] HoldMyPocket (n=choward@168-215-208-8.static.twtelecom.net) joined ##slackware. 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My sound driver sometimes gets stuck and turning on/off the soundsystem is impossible (device is bussy), alsactl restore doesn't work [15:44] it's because of the firefox flash [15:44] flash is not made my Mozilla [15:44] by* [15:44] kill firefox and restart it [15:45] yes, but opera uses the same flash libraries and goes OK [15:45] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Success [15:45] that's the problem, that I have slow net connection and 30 tabs open in firefox [15:46] ... [15:46] seat` (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [15:46] Urgleflogue (n=plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) left irc: "01001110 01100101 01110010 01100100 00100001" [15:46] so no other way than restarting firefox [15:46] ? [15:46] sloinn, "rmmod -f" [15:47] But be warned it could lock up your system [15:48] Motoko-chan, and is snd module the right one ? [15:49] ERROR: Removing 'snd': Resource temporarily unavailable [15:49] I'd close firefox first [15:49] or at least disable flash [15:50] Dunno. It's up to you to decide the problem [15:50] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:51] i've been dealing with this problem and the best thing is just to close firefox and start it back up again [15:51] Jean (n=jean@93-36-226-114.ip62.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:51] the problem is that this happens practically 3-5 times a day...it has been annoying enough [15:51] i cannot get flash to work properly on slackware or any other linux distro for that matter [15:51] it's either slow, fullscreen flash vids don't work, sound stutters [15:51] always SOMETHING [15:52] dive: For as many times as I've used *) in case code, I had to laugh that I had forgotten it! [15:52] it works for me fine, if all dependencies are satisfied, only this issue remains [15:53] right now it works great for me.. then after a few hours [15:53] it'll start to stutter [15:53] well it's good you remembered it then [15:53] flash has tons of problems [15:54] but there always one or 2 dependencies unsatisfied for the libflash, which people usually don't find [15:54] (or sometimes it is the .swf files which are just crap) [15:54] like i can watch youtube videos all day long, and visibily they are fine [15:55] eventually, at some point, the sound will stutter [15:55] which reminds me that I forgot name of the tool for finding dependencies again, like 10 times [15:55] so i use virtualbox with windows xp as a guest machine [15:55] and do most flash stuff in there [15:55] omg, such an overkill :) [15:55] well i use it for other things too lol here at work [15:56] our exchange server doesn't have IMAP enabled so i need outlook [15:56] alright, I'm closing firefox and I'll wait 3 minutes till everything reloads [15:56] it usually takes about 5-10 seconds [15:57] or i just kill -9 'firefox-bin' [15:57] whatever the process id is [15:57] ps -C firefox-bin [15:57] yes, but I'm in f****** Ireland with 1,5 KB/s upload... [15:57] kristoffer (n=kristoff@79.138.195.254.bredband.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [15:58] funnn [15:58] if flash worked flawlessly [15:58] i'd use linux exclusively [15:59] u2pian (n=guest@120.28.197.64) joined ##slackware. [15:59] how is that? you'd still need outlook..from what you just said [16:00] kristoffer (n=kristoff@79.138.195.254.bredband.tre.se) left irc: Client Quit [16:00] HoldMyPocket: my flash works fine...did you use the slackbuild to install it? [16:00] antiwire: he can use evolution to hit his exchange server [16:00] can we mixed multiple gcc versions in a slackware distro, and switch between them? Im planning of using it as build machine...some legacy apps needs g++3.3. And others needs g++4.1, 4.3...and how do we switchi between them? [16:01] kristoffer (n=kristoff@79.138.195.254.bredband.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [16:01] ktos (n=ktos@adfm26.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:01] hi [16:02] noOne_noBody (i=1000@207.144.235.89) joined ##slackware. [16:02] hello [16:02] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:02] tell me please if where is kept variable ServerTokens in apache2? [16:02] yosii: yes i did =\ [16:03] HoldMyPocket: not sure, then [16:03] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:03] I have slackware 12.1 and can't find it out in httpd.conf [16:03] ktos: /etc/httpd/original/ I think [16:03] Floops (n=baihu@shellium/member/floops) left irc: Connection timed out [16:03] u2pian, I'd use a different prefix/chroot for gcc-3.3 [16:03] or the extra/ dir [16:04] I'd port the 4.1 apps to a more recent gcc (shouldn't be too hard) [16:04] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-68.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:04] ah [16:04] I forgot [16:04] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [16:04] I'm in the process of purchasing a LightScribe DVD+-RW Drive for my Slackware 12.2 machine. So far, not far into the process, I've found one piece of LS software made by LaCie. I was wondering if, this software will work with any Lightscribe capable drive (the LaCie name prepended to the official name to advertise) or it a LaCie drive is required for it to work. Any help? [16:05] there is deafult conf and if variables from there are not set up apache uses deafault values of it [16:05] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [16:06] ;) [16:06] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [16:06] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:08] ktos (n=ktos@adfm26.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [16:08] joeDeuce (n=joeDeuce@32.134.141.65) joined ##slackware. [16:09] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("()"). [16:09] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl12-89-61.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:10] what the heck do i do with a "configure.ac.in" file? [16:10] ive never seen a file being both .ac and .in before [16:10] Has anyone used LaCie LightScribe Direct Disc Labeling with Slackware? [16:10] joeDeuce (n=joeDeuce@32.134.141.65) left ##slackware. [16:10] kristoffer (n=kristoff@79.138.195.254.bredband.tre.se) left irc: "Leaving" [16:11] macavity, yell at the author ? [16:11] Camarade_Tux: i cant even find him [16:11] unixfool (i=a63a4218@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-859bab4494373470) left irc: Client Quit [16:11] bfd-utils doesent even have a homepage... [16:12] oh crap.. i give up for now [16:12] i will probably end up writing it myself [16:12] writing what [16:12] macavity, you mean http://github.com/salvestrini/bfd-utils/tree/master ? [16:12] both libbfd and libelf looks like they are easy enough to use [16:12] Camarade_Tux: yes [16:13] chowabunga_: a tool to yank out references to libraries in the .dynamic section of the ELF table in binaries [16:13] Francesco Salvestrini [16:13] noOne_noBody: yes I've used LaCie with slackware. [16:13] macavity> why [16:13] roger [16:14] chopp. Does it work with any LightScribe drive or does it require a LaCie drive? [16:14] chowabunga_: because i have 142 files that contains a link to a .so name that they dont need to link to [16:14] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:14] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) joined ##slackware. [16:14] noOne_noBody: my drive is not lacie [16:15] May I ask what brand(s) you've used with the software? [16:15] chowabunga_: there is only one file on the entire system that needs that link.. but due to a libtool bug it has ended up everywhere [16:15] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:15] whats wrong with that [16:15] O_o [16:16] noOne_noBody: the drive I used is a sony. [16:16] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:16] OK. Thanks chopp. [16:16] that now that said one thing that needs it, no longer needs it, things has gone bonkers [16:16] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:16] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux [16:16] eg, the rest reports false linktime dependency errors because they didnt need it in the first place [16:17] u2pian (n=guest@120.28.197.64) left ##slackware. [16:18] s/linktime dependency/runtime linking dependency/ [16:18] .. to be pedantic :P [16:18] Conan is definitely a crappy film [16:18] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425465.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:18] Camarade_Tux: so is American Pie :P [16:19] Anakin- (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [16:20] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [16:20] but Conan has more sex in it :) [16:21] chopp. Thanks again. See everyone later. Bye. [16:22] noOne_noBody (i=1000@207.144.235.89) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:22] guack guack guack! [16:22] Action: macavity starts giggling like the nut case he is [16:23] SMarim (n=tristaoh@104-104.citynet.ftth.internl.net) joined ##slackware. [16:23] Scharzenegger looks like he escaped from K.I.S.S. :) [16:24] s/K.I.S.S/the funny farm/ [16:25] ljubak (n=ljubak@cable-94-189-146-148.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [16:25] hmmm, http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/conan-barabarian-1-set-2.jpg [16:25] SMarim (n=tristaoh@104-104.citynet.ftth.internl.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:27] i r back! :X [16:28] wb tecky [16:28] http://tweetingtoohard.com [16:29] replay (n=replay@69.26.205.141) joined ##slackware. [16:30] hey firebird619 [16:30] firebird619: you get my 'abby' theme done yet? [16:30] "He is Conan[...], he won't cry. So I cry for him." [16:32] tecky: haha, nope, you can do that yourself. :P [16:32] tecky: you got the obsession, you can make the theme. [16:33] Action: Shingoshi wants more pics of conan! [16:34] anyone use wolframalpha yet? any good? [16:34] hmmm, a 42" pic of Conan holding an axe, mmmmmmm [16:34] Pig_Pen, can you get it to give you anything about 'linux' ? [16:35] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE71E0.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("parted..."). [16:35] Pig_Pen: played with it a bit on the first night but only chemistry stuff [16:35] i have not tried yet, just reading some comments about it at /. [16:35] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@190.149.119.90) joined ##slackware. [16:36] Jean (n=jean@93-36-226-114.ip62.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [16:36] I saw this on the news last night. WolframAlpha [16:36] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [16:36] not a search engine like google [16:36] Pig_Pen: what was that? [16:37] i just got back to my desk >.<; [16:37] It's more of a research tool. [16:37] Presenting the user a higher level of intelligence when searching. [16:38] wtf that mean? [16:38] not sure how to describe it [16:38] of wolfram? [16:38] *oh [16:38] http://www64.wolframalpha.com [16:39] http://www.wolframalpha.com whats with that 64? [16:39] Great! They have a firefox extension too! [16:40] Pig_Pen, mirrors [16:40] SMarim (n=tristaoh@104-104.citynet.ftth.internl.net) joined ##slackware. [16:40] i know the wolfram page looks like crap, there is text overlapping like some css errors or something [16:42] http://imagebin.org/49600 [16:42] I doubt the css is the least of their worries. [16:43] ##slackware: mode change '+o Alan_Hicks' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [16:43] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:43] dios_mio (i=FREELOVE@88.243.102.70) left irc: "The world is not real, only possible." [16:44] Pig_Pen, displays correctly for me, ff3 [16:44] you see my screenshot? [16:44] Pig_Pen, yep [16:45] uva (i=bno@118-168-234-171.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] but since it's seamonkey vs ff, it might be seamonkey's fault [16:45] could be [16:50] looks good in konqueror, but both firefox and seamonkey wont display the page right [16:50] slackytude (i=8d644bbb@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6554c326d36bd8d3) joined ##slackware. [16:50] greetings [16:50] Action: slackytude is back to robot simulation again [16:51] sux [16:51] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:51] anybody remembers me mate, who is this windows + java coder [16:52] who now works at merk in front of a linux machine, trying to get a shell script to work [16:52] turns out its a 8 year old IRIX machine with csh [16:52] Make the first line "#!/bin/bash". That helps. [16:52] Oh! Oh God no! Do NOT! Let me repeat that. Do NOT.. EVER... UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES... write a csh script. [16:53] hehe [16:53] too late [16:53] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:54] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:54] I did it for him [16:54] yarvin (n=yarvin@42-57-74-65.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [16:55] what is the problem with csh ? I guess we are too young to know that [16:55] Basically, it doesn't work. [16:56] lol [16:56] Go read the FAQ for comp.unix.shell for great details. [16:56] haha :p [16:56] link btw : http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/ [16:57] thnx comrade tux [16:57] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: "fui" [16:57] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-124-11.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:58] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-124-11.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) left irc: Client Quit [16:59] lol [17:00] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-228.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:01] csh considered harmful... and the reasons why are found on the perl ftp ^_~ [17:01] i'm having some issues while trying to compile a program. when I run configure, it keeps complaining about not being able to find libreadline, even though it's located under /usr/lib. I've even tried setting --with-libreadline=/usr/lib, but that didn't help either.. I don't have very much experience with coding in C, but is there a place in the source where I can specify where this library can be found? [17:01] you're missing headers? [17:01] Necos, lol ;) [17:02] does kde run on IRIX anyway? or is it just X? [17:02] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-68.dial.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:02] v3gard, you should have a config.log, you can read it :) [17:02] i'm a perl coding kinda guy, so no problems here ^_^ [17:03] maybe --with-includes=/usr/include/readline ? [17:04] or try locate readline.h [17:04] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-68.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.107.47) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [17:05] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:06] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-88-188.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [17:06] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:07] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:08] I have an SGI Origin 2000 with some release of IRIX on a hard drive, but I use it to run/develop Linux. I did get many free software applications to build on IRIX but not something on the order of X or KDE [17:09] hey did ktorrent drop off the slackbuilds repo? [17:09] isnt irix an ancient unixy os made by microsoft? [17:10] Pig_Pen: SGI [17:10] ah [17:10] tried with --with-includes as well, but that didn't resolve the issue either. i copied some (hopefully relevant) info from config.log to this pastebin: http://pastebin.com/m157b9680 [17:10] psychicist: thx [17:10] vastina: no [17:11] psychicist: that machine has x [17:11] v3gard, copy a bit more (some context) [17:11] psychicist: but not much else [17:11] its back in time [17:11] but I guess it wants a more recent libreadline (or maybe older actually) [17:11] slackytude: it should be possible to build a lot of software and maybe you can even get Xorg to work [17:11] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) joined ##slackware. [17:11] How do I copy something to the clipboard using a script? Is there a filename for the clipboard? [17:11] chopp: k then where is it? [17:12] vastina: it's in /extra [17:12] SMarim (n=tristaoh@104-104.citynet.ftth.internl.net) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet?" [17:12] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [17:12] psychicist: maybe, but as I said me mate does java, its supposed to be a java coder job [17:12] on 12.2 anyway [17:12] I think I've seen it in extra/ since 12.0 [17:13] well on -current it's in /kde [17:13] chopp: i'm not seeing it on slackbuilds.org [17:13] oh, I wasn't aware of that [17:14] i see mktorrent, unrelated [17:14] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-88-188.ip38.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:14] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:14] The GTX 295 ranks as the fastest videocard in the universe with a mind boggling 1,788 gigaFLOPs of processing power. [17:14] who the heck needs that much gpu power? [17:14] slackytude: I built a whole lot of software including bash if that's what the script depends on [17:14] I do [17:14] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-88-188.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [17:14] vastina: why are you looking on SBo? http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/extra/ktorrent/ [17:14] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.6.206) joined ##slackware. [17:14] sloinn (n=adam@84.19.44.79) left irc: "Leaving" [17:14] tecky, several ati 4770 would be faster ;) [17:15] sloinn (n=adam@84.19.44.79) joined ##slackware. [17:15] s/faster/even faster/ [17:15] sloinn (n=adam@84.19.44.79) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:15] sloinn (n=adam@84.19.44.79) joined ##slackware. [17:15] guys I nmaped localhost and I have port 111 open - rpcbind .. should I ignore it ? [17:15] here is a complete dump from the log.. to be honest, I really have no idea as to what to look for: # [17:15] anyone know how to fix this sound issue: if i open a video in mplayer, the sound plays fine, but if after, i play another video in youtube or vlc or anywhere, the sound doesnt work [17:15] chopp: well, ok... thanks [17:15] well, gotta go [17:15] straterra: your quiet today? [17:15] oops, http://pastebin.com/m12ca8983 [17:15] need to catch last bus [17:16] bye [17:16] bye [17:16] chopp: good call, appreciate it [17:17] v3gard: your paste shows you used --with-includes=/usr/include (i suggested using --with-includes=/usr/include/readline [17:18] vastina: here is a decent url for searching for package locations: http://packages.slackware.it/ [17:18] slackytude (i=8d644bbb@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6554c326d36bd8d3) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [17:18] maybe do: ln -s /usr/include/readline/* /usr/include (not too messy since it only has a few files) [17:18] chopp: aware of that one; but still appreciate [17:19] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:19] CFLAGS+="-I/usr/include/readline" is better [17:19] but should have also been aware that it had ktorrent ;p [17:19] yeah.. symlinkin libs/includes.. that can have ill effects... [17:20] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:21] i never had a problem with it [17:21] you shouldn't have to tho... [17:21] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@190.149.119.90) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:22] maybe the header is being included wrong [17:22] Well, gotta go afk for while. later [17:22] or something like that [17:23] I finally took my Ultra 10 home today to find out if Linux/SPARC has improved during the last year. I don't know where my Sun keyboards are, but I hope I can use OpenBoot using the serial console with a nullmodem cable. a functional Xorg using anything other than the framebuffer driver would be much appreciated [17:23] the missing functions should be provided by termcap actually [17:23] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:24] Pig_Pen: same error applies for --with-includes=/usr/include/readline. I also tried what rworkman suggested, but that didn't help either.. [17:24] v3gard, can you pastebin the config.log without specifying anything ? [17:24] slkivs (n=slkivs@190.149.119.90) joined ##slackware. [17:25] Camarade_Tux: /msg? [17:26] yosii, not much time but ok [17:26] Camarade_Tux: plain "./compile" => http://pastebin.com/m73986911 [17:28] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:28] Camarade_Tux: that was all...didn't want to say that in public, but had to tell someone outside those involved... [17:28] yosii, sure [17:30] v3gard, I can't say anything for sure and I don't have time right now but I think you're not the only one with that problem [17:30] Camarade_Tux: agree with my assessment? [17:31] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:31] v3gard: what are you trying to build? [17:31] yosii, yeah, I learned that like on mingw/cygwin when I was 16 or 17 ^^ [17:31] Pig_Pen, scanmem afaict [17:31] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:31] Pig_Pen: yup, scanmem [17:32] Camarade_Tux: for the most part, one is a copy of the other...cygwin requires you to include a huge lib that you link against, but mingw doesn't [17:32] 0.07? [17:32] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.149.205) left irc: "Leaving." [17:33] Camarade_Tux: that's the difference in a nutshell [17:33] Pig_Pen: yes. source can be found here: http://taviso.decsystem.org/files/scanmem/scanmem-0.07.tar.gz if you're interested in trying for yourself [17:33] v3gard, I see a 1.1 on http://taviso.decsystem.org/scanmem.html , not 0.07 [17:33] is there a reason you want 0.07 rather than 1.1 ? [17:33] oh, no, 1.1 was the version of the webpage >< [17:34] ag3ntugly (n=x@doc-24-32-2-231.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [17:35] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.150) joined ##slackware. [17:35] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.25) left irc: [17:36] is there a script that sets the proper user and group for all system files? [17:37] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:38] I did not see that the chown, chgrp read '..' in '.*' and so I have messed up my settings a couple times [17:38] well.. i really don't have any more time left to fiddle around with with this app any more tonight. thanks for all your help guys. [17:39] it is unfortunate the manpages for chown, chgrp do not list an "exclude '..'" but supposedly the '-R' is recursive. [17:39] Action: Shingoshi discovers xclip. Compiled and installed now. [17:39] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [17:39] h4ll0ck (n=alex@84.78.91.54) joined ##slackware. [17:40] dchmelik: uhm,-R afaik doesnt do anything to parent dirs [17:40] it certainly does [17:40] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [17:40] it reads '.*' as '..' [17:40] (i.e. includes '..') [17:41] so if you want to change '.*' configuration files it will change the parent folder [17:41] dchmelik: uhm ok... [17:42] Nick change: slkivs -> slKIvs [17:42] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [17:42] it is just one of the many ways you can hose your POSIX system [17:42] chown -R hits .. ? [17:42] I don't think so [17:43] it does if you do like: chown -R users .* [17:44] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:44] I wanted to change '.mozilla,' etc., but then it changed my whole '/' tree [17:45] and I know in that tree are quite a few special users like 'usb,' 'display,' or whatver [17:45] dchmelik: http://rafb.net/p/gxoA2o79.html [17:45] ../../ [17:45] please tell me what i'm missing [17:46] thrice`: hidden files [17:46] thrice`: .* not * [17:47] oh, I missed his . [17:47] nevermind me :| [17:48] h4ll0ck (n=alex@84.78.91.54) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:48] you gotta hand it to the BSD people that they recognize the importance of good quality documentation [17:48] Action: lns40 never needed to change all .* files [17:48] http://people.freebsd.org/~jkoshy/download/libelf/article.html [17:49] macavity: Yeah, I have used NetBSD just about as long as Slackware... but not as much [17:49] dchmelik: the above article is a gold mine for someone who wishes to get the ins and outs of how ELF objects *really* work [17:49] mm, I just watched a flash video and had tiling issues :( so much for them being resolved [17:50] dchmelik: which i, sorta by proxy, want to, as the tool i am looking for obviously does not exist :-/ [17:50] solaris documentation is pretty good as well, I don't know if it dives into technical matters as much though [17:50] thrice`: i guess i will see your bug repport on the intel-gfx mailing list? [17:51] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:51] maybe the UXA tiling issues aren't completely sorted in intel 2.7.x yet (well, the kernel bug) [17:51] that is an interesting article... systems programming is my favourite application but as you can see there are a few more POSIX things I need to get more familiar with [17:52] macavity: at least I have this: (II) intel(0): direct rendering: DRI2 Enabled :D [17:52] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:53] I prefer to use /root as ~ to not have to su for every install/compile... but most of my other files have to be changed to non-root... [17:53] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-68.dial.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:54] Heh, I found a typo in gFTP. [17:54] One of the right-click context menu options is "Permisssions..." [17:55] anyone know how to make the files to tell GNU dialog what to install? If Slackware did not default 'all' I would just run the ones it used to have [17:55] ccfreak2k: that is becuase Gollum is the lead maintainer of UI text elements [17:55] but now I guess I will have to reinstall [17:55] and if that were part of a world-wide conspiracy trying to change the english language ? [17:55] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:55] yarvin (n=yarvin@42-57-74-65.gci.net) left ##slackware. [17:55] dchmelik: the maketags dictate what is selected by "default" in the various configurations [17:55] macavity, you'll have to complete the thought for me. [17:56] my /dev/* is now changed to a user and that does not seem good [17:56] ok, this is a REAL PITA [17:56] i removed dropline using dropline-installer [17:56] now my libs are trashed [17:57] reinstall dropline [17:57] or maybe removepkg+installpkg [17:57] what does 'REC' mean in the tagfile? [17:57] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: "Leaving" [17:57] trying to fix it with installpkg(on every package that came with the slamd64 dvd [17:57] Recommended. [17:57] dchmelik, http://www.slackbook.org/html/package-management-making-tags-and-tagfiles.html [17:58] great [17:58] Camarade_Tux: i'm HOPING that fixes the issue [17:58] geek test: how do you think "sysexits.h" is pronounced? [17:59] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:59] macavity: LOL [17:59] macavity: i'd say sys exits [17:59] yosii: you thought sy-sex-its at first, didnt you? [17:59] it is pronounced giggity [18:00] macavity: actually, no [18:00] yosii: fail :P [18:00] macavity: i saw where someone might, though [18:00] thanks for showing me the tagfile page... I can use that to fix the chown effects and for future installs, but I am still not sure what to do about /dev. I do not think that is installed from a/. [18:00] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:01] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:01] and there are probably some other system files that are not installed from a/ [18:01] dchmelik: start udev [18:01] dchmelik: /dev IS installed from a/ [18:01] that is pretty interesting [18:01] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:01] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:01] so everything must be installed from the CD [18:02] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:02] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [18:02] dchmelik: boot the CD/DVD and do a full install [18:02] I would rather just write some tagfiles [18:02] dchmelik: unless you are on an "i need to learn something new"-spree [18:02] I am going to need them anyway [18:02] for future installs [18:02] I am usually on such a spree [18:02] ok, then you will learn a thing or two about dependencies :P [18:02] I take it I am going to hose my system [18:02] i find that likely, yes [18:03] I know if I was upgrading dependencies would matter [18:03] but apparently there are two angles to learning [18:03] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:03] method 1) study untill you know what is going on.. then go try it out [18:03] but otherwise it seems the only problem is overwriting binaries that might be loading at the same time [18:03] I guess that is the dependencies problem [18:03] method 2) break something.. and study as-you-go while you attempt to fix it [18:04] you kind of have to do both... you are bound to break something [18:04] let me get this straight, you are trying to upgrade manually from one version of slamd to another? [18:04] no [18:05] then what? [18:05] I am just trying to reinstall all the standard packages so the user and group settings are restored [18:05] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:05] and AFTER getting all my packages back from the dvd, i HOPE to be able to removepkg *dl on my /var/log/packages without too many bad repercussions [18:05] lulz [18:05] havent you heard of chmod? [18:05] that is what caused my problem in the first place [18:05] http://slackware.com/~alien/tools/ check out "restore_file_perms_from_manifest.sh" [18:05] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.181) left irc: "I'll Be Back!!" [18:06] and I do not know what the standard settings are across most of the filesystem [18:06] ah, the alien has done it again [18:06] dchmelik: listen to thrice` [18:06] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-26-251.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [18:07] not me, I'm off for a run :) good luck [18:07] that is interesting... I should learn something from that script [18:08] i believe Alan_Hicks actually is the author [18:08] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-147-177.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [18:09] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.90.19) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:09] Yeah I wrote it some time ago. [18:09] it looks like the script uses chmod and chgrp but not chown [18:09] slKIvs (n=slkivs@190.149.119.90) left irc: "Saliendo" [18:09] I will have to investigate the details of the script and try to add in chown [18:09] I thought there is some change command that is like more than one of the commands at once [18:10] maybe that is what OWNER_GROUP is, but it seems not so [18:11] (according to chgrp manpage) [18:11] dchmelik: You found a bug! [18:12] Change chgrp to chown and it's right. [18:12] cool... ok [18:12] oh yeah, chown is the one that can also change the group [18:12] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "toytoy has no reason" [18:13] Also note.... [18:13] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [18:13] This will only echo the commands to run to fix the permissions. It won't actually fix them for you. [18:14] This was by design, especially when I was testing, so that I didn't fuck everything up on my own box. [18:14] (I wrote it for some idiot who did the following: chmod -R 777 /; chown -R root /). [18:15] that is fine... I will redirect the output [18:15] You can fix that in two ways. 1) dump the output to a file, then run "sh file". 2) remove the two "echo" bits at the end of the main loop. [18:15] unixfool (i=4421c1cc@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a3626186785af290) joined ##slackware. [18:15] Action: thrice` does done that before [18:15] Lines 119 and 120. [18:15] chown -R 1777 /mt <--- don't run [18:15] that is far out someone would do that... I feel about as silly that I chowned '.*' [18:16] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.6.206) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:16] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:16] yeah, I was assuming I could remove the echos... but it is a complicated script and I did not see if the loop was doing some sort of other parsing [18:16] NEVER do anything with .*. [18:16] amazon10x (i=amazon10@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-53e739fee5b960cb) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:17] you are right.. when I was autocompleting 'chown .' I did not see '.' and '..' show up [18:17] but I have learned this lesson enough times I hope [18:18] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.34.59) left irc: "Saliendo" [18:19] amazon10x (i=amazon10@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-13c3af01ba3aad18) joined ##slackware. [18:19] the PATH_NAME variable use looks interesting... I wonder if it is to make the script work from any folder... but I will run it in '/' to be sure [18:19] Use something like .{a..z}* [18:20] I have not reallyl earned the art of using braces and most of regular expressions [18:21] Well, shell braces aren't regex. [18:21] I thought there was at least one shell (like Amiga) that uses regexps... or maybe Amiga is just an advanced shell [18:22] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-11-64.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:22] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-76-122.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:22] that is a cool script... I am watching it [18:23] heya [18:24] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [18:24] what I read about the Amiga is it has the best wildcards... it would be great if bash used those [18:25] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:27] how long have these '/media,' 'opt,' and even 'lost+found' folders been in Slackware? [18:27] isnt lost+found with ext3? [18:27] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:27] I guess you are right... my ~ is a partition though [18:27] can anyone remember the shortcut to change tabs in konqueror? [18:27] and I thought /media belonged to kde? or the automount thingy - cant remember the name [18:28] macavity: ^t [18:28] yeah I am pretty sure /media belongs to kde [18:28] BP{k}: that is New Tab [18:28] oh to change (as opposed to created) [18:28] some of its folders you can hide, but not /media [18:28] macavity: yeah I just realised that. [18:29] macavity: ^] [18:29] I do not think ^t changes tabs it makes a new one [18:29] dchmelik: yes, we established that a minute ago. [18:29] dchmelik: /media is defined in the FHS, for temporary removable media I think [18:29] BP{k}: ctrl-. and ctrl-, [18:30] BP{k}: as [ and ] are Alt 8 and 9 respectivly on the danish keyboard :P [18:30] dang... so they are putting this UI stuff into the FHS? [18:30] BP{k}: AltGr actually... so it only works on the right hand Alt [18:30] it already has /mnt I thought [18:31] macavity: both ^. ^, ^[ ^] work for me :) [18:31] BP{k}: US-centric shortcuts drive me nuts... one of my main reasons to hate backtics so much :P [18:31] dchmelik: /mnt is for non-temporary removable media. It's hard to draw the line there though [18:32] well the FHS 2.3 says mnt is for temporarily removeable media [18:32] it has ./cdrom of course [18:32] what a mess [18:32] dchmelik: well, read /mnt/README :) [18:33] and /media/README. ;) [18:34] ah, there we go. It's temporary (/mnt) vs. removable (/media) media [18:34] yeah... but KDE mounts cdroms in /media... which is insane [18:35] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:35] it's definitely a removable media :P [18:36] yeah, well the CD thing is not so bad, but if you have several USB storage devices maybe there is no consistent numbered way KDE mounts them. [18:36] it mounts them by their labels [18:36] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425465.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [18:37] then you cannot make an easy script to do the same thing if you are on console [18:37] dchmelik: that's why there's a thing called fstab ;) [18:37] SUCCESS...dropline and its residue are GONE, GONE i tell you [18:37] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [18:37] yosii: GOOD [18:37] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.252.155.119) joined ##slackware. [18:37] yosii: did you use a wooden stake? ;) [18:38] BP{k}: considered it, but sacrificed 2 virgins instead [18:38] Hey BP{k}, how are you? [18:38] yosii: can I have the bodys? [18:38] :p [18:38] yosii: wow, 2, 1 wouldn't do it? [18:38] compl3x: kinky. ;) [18:38] lol [18:38] so you could mount a ton of USB storage devices after boot by making enough fstab entries? I will have to try that [18:38] BP{k}: you bet. [18:38] compl3x: they're getting cold [18:38] firebird619: I am good, yourself? [18:38] BP{k}: doing great, thanks. [18:38] firebird619: i wanted to make sure [18:38] sup firebird619 [18:38] yosii: yeah, good idea. [18:39] the thing is they usually come up differently with each boot, like /dev/sdb or /dev/sdf sometimes [18:39] compl3x: hey, how's it going? [18:39] BP{k}: you use claws-mail-extra-plugins at all? [18:39] firebird619: good good, yourself? [18:39] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:39] dchmelik: /dev/disk/by-uuid [18:39] compl3x: doing great, it's friggen hot outside and extremely windy. [18:39] compl3x: 93 F right now. :P [18:40] firebird619: actually, what i did...ran dropline-installer to remove most of it...ran installpkg on all the subdirectories of slackware on my dvd, then removepkg'ed the rest of the dl packages [18:40] firebird619: I dont know F :p only C :p [18:40] that is quite an interesting folder... I do not really get what it is about yet, but I will look up uuid [18:40] compl3x: sorry, 34 C [18:40] firebird619: thats hot o.0 where are you based? [18:40] SW Minnesota [18:40] firebird619: I have it installe, yes. [18:40] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [18:41] firebird619: room temp where I am in the UK is 20c [18:41] BP{k}: did it install gtkhtml2viewer plugin? [18:41] and the UK is cold. [18:41] in usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins? [18:41] now i'm grabbing gsb for another go, since gware doesn't support a 64 bit os [18:41] yosii: Good luck. :) [18:41] firebird619: did you see #slamd64 earlier? [18:42] if you didn't, /msg me [18:42] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@93.86.18.220) joined ##slackware. [18:42] yosii: No, I don't use slamd64 and don't visit there either. [18:42] yosii: why, what happened? [18:42] damn.. GNU doesnt have getprogname() [18:43] firebird619: no. (of course it didn't) [18:43] dchmelik: btw, hal will respect those fstab entries. So even when you plug it in after system-start, it will be mounted at the point defined in fstab. (also by KDE) [18:43] and the BSD pholks bitch that we make extentions to POSIX :P [18:43] neat [18:44] BP{k}: Well, I installed claws-mail-extra-plugins from SBo, which includes gtkhtml2viewer, but it didn't install it. I had to get the source, build that plugin myself, and then copy it over to /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins. [18:44] hmm... the FHS describes /opt like /usr/local is usually described... maybe /usr/local was not an AT&T standard [18:44] firebird619: see the slackbuild. [18:44] like I said .. "of course it didn't install it" [18:44] BP{k}: Ok, I'll look. [18:45] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [18:46] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [18:46] dchmelik: not necessarily. /opt is commonly used for software that doesn't follow the {bin,lib,include} paradigm [18:47] I see... I am used to putting software that has its own folders in /usr/local [18:47] but maybe it should go in /opt [18:47] dchmelik: or in other words: /opt is used for stuff that follow the M$ PROGRA~1 standard ;-) [18:47] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:48] or pretty much self contained stuff (like openoffice and googleearth) [18:48] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:48] BP{k}: aka the above :P [18:48] except most of what I put in /usr/local does use libraries and then I make a link from /usr/bin or something [18:48] dchmelik: that should not be nessecary [18:48] hello [18:49] dchmelik: things in /usr/local/ should work just the same.. ld.so.conf points to /usr/local/lib/ and PATH has /usr/local/bin/ [18:49] i have problems to mov 30 avi datas to one dir. the avis are every one in one underdir [18:49] Julian: king of the lemurs? :P [18:49] find -type f -exec mv '{*.avi}' /home/users/multimedia/ \; gives a not find output :/ [18:49] macavity: what should not be necessary? I mean like /usr/local/tome/tome for example as a game that probably has its own folder [18:49] macavity: ? [18:50] Julian: just joking [18:50] my english is very poor i cannot understand it [18:50] I see no reason there should be an entirely new folder just because something in /usr/local has its own libraries... it can still have a link in /usr/bin [18:50] Julian: you are missing *where* to look [18:50] Julian: eg, find . -arguments [18:50] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:50] find dir/ -type f -exec mv '{*.avi}' /home/users/multimedia/ \; gives a not find output :/ [18:50] Julian: or find /home/Julian -name *.avi [18:51] actually maybe I should have said /usr/local/bin/tome/tome [18:51] go it to underdirs in the dir? [18:51] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-166-247.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [18:51] which packages are the build and header files of the kernel? [18:52] the headers are named headers and the sources are named sources? [18:52] Julian: oh, i think its the '{*.avi}' part which is wrong [18:52] Julian: are you trying to move all the avis that are in the folder? [18:52] the headers in the kernel headers package are not to be updated with your own kernel's headers though [18:53] firebird619: found it yet? [18:53] BP{k}: lol, I didn't even catch that before. :P [18:53] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:53] find dir/ -name *.avi -exec mv '{}' /home/users/multimedia/ [18:53] hehe. I am actually seeing if there is anything else required for gtkhtml2_viewer than just gail. [18:53] he it works [18:53] does that work? [18:53] thx [18:53] antiwire: I'm just running slackware in virtualbox and I'm trying to install the virtualbox linux guest additions [18:53] find dir/ -name *.avi -exec mv '{}' /home/user/multimedia/ \; [18:54] hehe [18:54] thx macavity [18:54] any time [18:54] you are not talking about mv as an argument to find, are you? [18:54] and it requests the kernel headers but I already installed those and still [18:54] find(1) is written exceptionally craptastic [18:54] communicator (n=abc@89.155.7.246) joined ##slackware. [18:55] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) left irc: "leaving" [18:55] dissociative: slackbuilds? [18:57] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [18:57] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:59] dissociative> virtualbox has an executable build [18:59] why compile it [18:59] oh the kernel modules.. [18:59] not the kernel modules, but the kernel guest additions [18:59] ah [18:59] the binary is closed source. [19:00] havent tried that [19:00] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-221-160.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:00] allows USB mapping. [19:00] the one from source, is true open source software. [19:00] usually you just run their script [19:00] that is what I did but It says that it needs the kernel headers but I already installed them [19:00] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-88-188.ip38.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "leaving" [19:01] dissociative: kernel-source? [19:01] there's a slackbuild for virtualbox, iirc [19:01] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [19:01] dissociative> try cd /usr/src/linux;make menuconfig [19:01] lets see [19:02] then try them again [19:03] haha... I added a USB storage device to fstab and now when KDE tries to mount it it says 'permissions denied.' [19:03] go figure [19:04] does anyone know what Larry Hajali is known as on IRC? [19:04] dchmelik: no need to be in the plugdev group, cdrom as well I think [19:04] (or if he even hangs out in here) [19:05] macavity: I know he's on IRC, but can't remember the nick [19:05] we need a tag wall :P [19:05] im in fluxbox with firefox open and it looks awful. is there a way to change how apps look in fluxbox.. stuff like buttons, progress bar etc? [19:05] pprkut: but thx.. ill just pester him by e-mail then :P [19:06] ur face needs a wall [19:06] pizzledizzle: you probably need to edit .gtkrc or something [19:06] macavity: neonflux :) [19:06] pprkut: thx :-) [19:06] neonflux: ping? [19:07] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl12-89-61.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [19:07] macavity: pong [19:07] pprkut: I know about those groups, but I did not use them in fstab... so I am somewhat lost... [19:07] CARRIER LOST [19:07] dchmelik: no, it's hal who needs it, not fstab [19:08] I thought hal would automatically have access to those groups [19:08] not that they were needed for this except maybe plugdev [19:08] neonflux: do you maintain the SBo of libelf because it is needed by some app that you need, or because you are developing something that needs libelf? [19:09] neonflux: (strange question, i know) [19:09] I suppose I should have put each /dev/disk/by-uuid/* in fstab... but that would be almost as troublesome... one should be able to just put in /dev/sd* for each * you type into fstab [19:09] macavity: I was going to put together a slackbuild for autoscan-network...but it didn't work out too well [19:09] bbl [19:09] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-166-247.epm.net.co) left irc: "leaving" [19:10] macavity: I just use the binary instead of source for autoscan-network [19:10] neonflux: ah, ok.. i was just going to double check that i wasnt doing duplicate work [19:10] macavity: why you ask? [19:10] neonflux: because i am hammering my head against a libtool bug/annoyance [19:10] macavity: for libelf? [19:11] neonflux: and apparently the only way i can prove my point is by writing a tool that can manipulate the linking information [19:11] neonflux: nope, libelf uses pkg-config rather than libtool [19:11] neonflux: now that you're about, are you aware of your connection problem with freenode. :P [19:12] oh, I know why my fstab did not work yet [19:12] neonflux: btw, there are both libelf and libElf (in case that could help you with you autoscan-network build) [19:12] neonflux: libElf is a BSD thing [19:12] chopp: yes, and I'm using a new client that doesn't auto rejoin [19:12] Alan's script is still running and has to change /usr/bin/hald back to owned by root or something [19:13] neonflux: ahh allright. I was just making sure you knew about it. :) [19:13] macavity: does libElf compile on linux? or conflict with libelf? [19:13] chopp: yeah I was banned from #slackbuilds a couple of times because of autodisconnect :) [19:14] chopp: should be straightened out now [19:14] I assumed hald would detect USB stuff at /dev/sdf and higher letters... lower letters I think have been in odd situations [19:14] giuppy (n=giuppy@host247-163-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: SendQ exceeded [19:14] neonflux: i dont know if it compiles.. i just observed it now [19:14] neonflux: they appear to be API compatible though [19:15] neonflux: but yes, i would guess that they conflict all the way [19:15] hiptobecubic (n=john@216-189-179-083-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.83) left irc: "Leaving." [19:16] macavity: if/when you complete your program(s) do you plan on submitting it to slackbuilds.org? [19:16] Alan_Hicks: that is a neat cd backup script too... I wanted to make something like that [19:16] I haven't looked at that in forever. [19:16] KillerV (n=unlimite@bhe201062167174.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:16] It's probably complete crap compared to what I use now. [19:17] I would have less use for it now, with k3b, but CLI is still often nicer [19:17] the tagfile generator one sounds awesome [19:19] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [19:19] oh, wait some of these were written by Alien BOB [19:19] Topic changed on ##slackware by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackwaregallery.org | Slackware 12.2 Released December 9, 2008 | Use a torrent: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: cyrus-sasl | Everyone bow down to the new txz format | Slackware64 is out !! [19:19] neonflux: i dont know if it will be usefull... all i want it to do is yank out links from the Dynamic section, and see if ld-linux.so.2 will link it with LD_BIND_NOW=1 [19:19] whoa [19:19] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [19:19] alienBOB: haha [19:19] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [19:19] WOWWWWW [19:19] oh, both of those scripts were [19:19] WOW [19:19] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-current/ [19:19] :D [19:20] heh [19:20] wow [19:20] YAY!!!! [19:20] woohoo [19:20] what, this sounds neat [19:20] and i was HERE when it was announced!!!!! [19:20] :D [19:20] holy crap you guys totally blindsided EVERYONE [19:20] you sneaky bastards [19:20] macavity: This is one of thise things, for years, you'll remember exactly what you were doing when this was announced. [19:20] thats going to make a lot of slackers very happy [19:20] s/thise/those [19:20] LAMO! [19:21] check the ChangeLog :P [19:21] I see nothing at the slackware.com site... I wonder if this is official [19:21] dchmelik: if it has -current in its name it is not official [19:21] dchmelik: that means WIP [19:21] alienBOB: so that means an official 64 bit slack is coming? YAY [19:21] true_norwegian_b (n=warlock@f049065094.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [19:21] yosii: it is _there_ [19:21] In full [19:22] ok all you slamd64 users, you know the drill ;-) [19:22] alienBOB: i'll wait for next release...is it multilib? [19:22] I saw no current, but slackware's own current is an official [19:22] alphageek (i=rooot@76-10-168-52.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [19:22] dchmelik: you dont see much refference to -current on slackware.com either [19:22] ##slackware: mode change '-o Alan_Hicks' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [19:23] In a moment [19:23] rworkman: is that why you have been so busy lately? :P [19:23] there it goes [19:23] slackware.com [19:23] macavity: of course, but current is in official archives [19:24] dchmelik: so is slackware64-current :P [19:24] i can't believe this nvidia sata controller hasn't crapped out on linux [19:24] i'm kind of relieved that i can run slackware [19:24] anyone have a suggestion or two to test load on the controller ? [19:24] lspci and get the name of the controller if you have not done so already [19:25] jeev: bonnie++ i belive it is called [19:25] then see what kernel drivers or other stuff is available [19:25] alienBOB: again, is it multilib? [19:25] great now I can get a core2 for my laptop [19:25] ahh, i've tried bonnie, no bsd though [19:25] on [19:25] ok i'll give a few things a shot [19:26] jeev: bonnie++ is available from slackbuilds.org [19:26] jeev: grap hold of sbopkg and be happy :P [19:27] jeev: sbopkg.org [19:27] sbopkg on slackware64-current would be wild [19:27] thanks man [19:28] just-lurking (i=3321@slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [19:28] I wonder what the differences are going to be [19:28] ok, NOT a multilib slack [19:28] a special lurker [19:28] yosii: so you checked the MANIFEST? [19:28] yosii: probably pure 64bit with no compatibility layer :P [19:29] oh man this is so cool, sbopkg [19:30] replay (n=replay@69.26.205.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:30] amrit|wrk (n=amrit@c-67-188-213-209.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:30] jeev: pay your respects to _chess_ for it then :-) [19:30] yht (n=yht@114.121.106.138) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:31] anyhow, i need to get back to hacking [19:31] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:31] macavity: have fun. :) [19:31] slackware should be the first distro to be free of the linktime mess that libtool have made [19:31] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:32] that would be nice huh? watching debian et al pull their hair out while we have it all fixed :P [19:32] libtool is always a mess :) [19:32] kitche: more so than meets the eye [19:32] sometiems I run into a bad libtool compile on some of my boxes [19:32] macavity ;) [19:32] dang guys. -current has some nice new stuff too [19:33] this is a good day [19:33] s/good/great/ :P [19:33] well, release days are great [19:33] new stuff from today ? [19:33] i guess this is a pseudo release day [19:34] I can't see the new stuff ! ='( [19:34] yosii: I see a lot of /usr/lib/* files in the manifest... even names like '*32'... so I do not see why you said it might be 64-bit only. [19:34] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.150) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:34] I'll party for "Upgraded to linuxdoc-tools-0.9.56" then ! [19:34] kitche: we have 32 packages on slackware32-current which have links to libxcb-xlib.so, and exactly 1 of those packages *should* have it.. the rest dont need it at all [19:34] kitche: *that* is how good libtool is :-/ [19:35] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:35] well anyways off to go watch the Hawks vs red wings [19:35] bah [19:35] Camarade_Tux: mail Pat with "linuxdoc-tools-0.9.56 released, please upgrade" [19:35] why hockey. why? [19:35] Camarade_Tux: the worst thing that can happen is that he ignores your mail [19:36] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.150) joined ##slackware. [19:36] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:36] jeev: because he doesnt have a nymphomaniac of a GF? [19:36] lol [19:36] why not basketball [19:36] why basketball. why? [19:36] :( [19:36] did I miss any comment about whether it really has 32-bit compatibility after my client crashed? [19:37] that's like asking, why slackware? why can't i just fedora? [19:37] why $SPECTATORSPORT. why? [19:38] huh? [19:38] alienBOB: cheers dude, I'm grabbing it and will install tonight :) [19:38] everything is a spectatorsport [19:38] except bass fishing! [19:38] thanks to pr0n even sex is a spectator sport :D [19:38] jeev: i can come up with a laundry list of sports that are more fun to play than to watch [19:38] With the 64bit set loose, you may overlook that slackware-current says "xap/MPlayer-r29301-i486-1.txz: Added MPlayer-r29301" among others [19:38] jeev: by spectator sport i mean "the kinds of sport that have become an industry because of their spectator value" [19:38] WooHoo!!! mplayer slackware package :) [19:38] alienBOB: is that in usb-installers/ with a 64-bit kernel ? [19:38] well, macavity, i dont consider a sport a sport if i dont play it [19:39] alienBOB: Thank you for kicking my ass, boss [19:40] I want to see the update ! ='( [19:40] slackware64... :o [19:40] Hehe [19:41] thrice`: slackware64-current has 64bit installers too in isolinux and usb-and-pxe-installers, yes [19:41] Action: Alan_Hicks considers banning jeev because he thinks fishing isn't a spectator sport. [19:42] lol [19:42] yeah, i seen plenty of fishing shows on tv [19:42] my definition was off [19:42] hiptobecubic (n=john@216-189-179-083-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) left irc: "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 mph, you're gonna see some serious shit." [19:42] i think fishing should be called torture, not a sport [19:42] hiptobecubic (n=john@216-189-179-083-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [19:42] haha, electricsheep ! :p [19:42] Action: jeev ships a 12 pack of potatos to Pig_Pen [19:42] torture can be a spectator sport if it's done right. [19:42] jeev: fish don't mind being waterboarded [19:42] ah man.. ftp.slackware.no is slow to update :P [19:43] lol just-lurking [19:43] is there no list of slackware.cpm/~* pages? I would just be interested in seeing more of what the developers or advanced users say [19:43] jeev: fishing isn't torture. [19:43] i'd rather be waterboarded than watch fishing [19:43] (I mean slackware.com) [19:43] macavity: Try cardinal.lizella.net in a few minutes. [19:44] In fact, you can probably get it there now. FTP and rsync access. [19:44] Alan_Hicks: it is not that important.. i dont suspect i can just change the mirror to slackware64-current and run slackpkg upgrade-all anyways :P [19:44] macavity: You can try. [19:44] Alan_Hicks: as if :P [19:44] do it and report back to us [19:44] in a week [19:45] Which is why you'll need to pull the repo, build a DVD, and then install. [19:45] antiwire: i have a fresh 32-current ready, so it wont take that long to recover :P [19:45] macavity: nah, you'll need a 64-bit kernel [19:45] macavity: mirror to /home/ftp/, and mount that and point setup of a usb key at it [19:45] The initrd is not that big to download [19:46] Alan_Hicks: ill just wait untill monday.. by then ftp.slackware.no will have unoffcial isos of slackware64 [19:46] You could *try* installpkg the kernel, glibc, then basically all of a/, editing lilo.conf, and rebooting, then upgradepkg the rest, but it'll be risky as hell. [19:46] uhm, i thought it was non-multilib? [19:46] what would you use to pull the repo without having to get each file individually? konqueror is kind of slow at that or I am unsure it 'likes' getting so many files... [19:46] as in, it wont run 32 bit stuff at all? [19:46] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [19:46] BP{k}: switch to gnutls and it will work.... sometimes :p [19:47] macavity: The kernel supports 32-bit emulation. [19:47] just-lurking: yes, but if the libraries dont support 32 bit linking? [19:47] alienBOB i didn't find the SlackBuild for mplayer in current the mplayer folder is empty in sources [19:47] dchmelik: You use konqueror for that?! Try ncftp or rsync. [19:47] nille_: I think it is all still syncing [19:48] ohh it's that new :p [19:48] ncftp... ok [19:48] http://imagebin.org/49623 here ya go jeev [19:48] is made so i can rebuild with patents? [19:48] of course I had tried rsync, but it and ftp do not show progress like BSD's ftp... of course there is the pkgsrc for Slackware [19:48] baitcaster. nice. [19:48] Hey Pig_Pen, how are you doing? [19:48] just-lurking: or am i missing something completely here? i havent played with 64bit stuff at all yet [19:49] nille_: Delete the existing source tarball, and read the SlackBuild. After you've licensed all the patents. ;-) [19:49] macavity: updating glibc will probably cause a kernel puke [19:49] good, how are you firebird619 ? [19:49] thrice`: probably that too :P [19:50] Pig_Pen: doing great, thank you. Hotter than heck here though, 93 F and really windy. :P [19:50] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:50] yeah, getting warm here too, soon it will be time to keep the windows closed and the AC running [19:51] Pig_Pen: yeah, AC's been running all day here. At least it's not hot and humid, it's just hot. [19:51] just-lurking licensed all the patents? i'm not in the US so we don't have software patents [19:51] Hey nille_, how are you? [19:51] i'm fine thanks and you? [19:51] doing great, thanks. :) [19:52] i been cracking my bios so i can mood my laptop and it can drive you crazy [19:53] nille_: Oh, well the SlackBuild mentions that scenario as well. You're under the wtfpl then. [19:53] s/mood/mod [19:53] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:53] lol [19:53] wtfpl lol [19:53] i think i am going with that plan too :P [19:54] I have seen slackware64, I can now sleep in peace :) [19:54] Heh [19:54] Can I get a quick show of hands? Who's ready to see Bluewhite64 go the way of the dodo bird? [19:54] o/ [19:54] btw just-lurking thanks and nice to see you in ##slackware ;) [19:54] both hands : \o/ [19:55] poor arny [19:55] Action: firebird619 raises both hands. [19:55] btw, now that all the Elders are around: does any one know of an app/tool that can directly modify what .so names are mentioned in the Dynamic section of ELF files? [19:55] Hey Camarade_Tux [19:55] hey firebird619 [19:55] Action: Camarade_Tux really needs to go to bed now [19:55] Good night Camarade_Tux [19:56] macavity: vi in hex mode. [19:56] i would rather not write it myself if i can avoid it.. but i am determined on nailing down that libtool bug [19:56] slamd64 too [19:56] This is me drunk and pased out http://imagebin.org/49552 [19:56] Anyhow, I am way late for eating and taking my pills. Later. [19:56] lol [19:56] Alan_Hicks: Later House [19:56] Later Alan_Hicks, Take care. [19:56] Alan_Hicks: ld-linux.so.2 chokes on it if i just replace libxcb-xlib.so with \0 [19:57] if slackware 64 is a purelib(haven't looked close), one could always install the c series [19:57] from slamd, i'm assuming [19:57] yosii: Yes. We used lib64 planning to make multilib possible [19:57] Has not been tested, but should work [19:58] nice [19:58] just-lurking: so you don't have multilib built in, but you can use either the c series from slamd or the l series from slackware to satisfy multilib? [19:58] TClayton (n=CarpFish@nc-76-0-181-126.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] xdoctor (n=avs@201.78.186.173) joined ##slackware. [19:59] yosii: Using the 32-bit Slackware packages will make things tricky where upgradepkg is concerned. [19:59] just-lurking: true...so the slamd packages would be better [20:00] I had wondered how hard it would be to make a script that diffs the contents of the i486 and x86_64 packages, and if needed combines then into an x86_64_multilib package. It should be possible. [20:00] I don't think rebuilding would be required at all. [20:00] now, the question is slamd64 or slackware64 =/ [20:00] lol [20:00] Action: thrice` thinks pure64 by default is the way to go [20:00] Action: macavity agrees [20:00] but /me already runs slamd64 [20:01] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:01] Action: thrice` will be switching as soon as his rsync finishes [20:01] Camarade_Tux: That's fine. slamd64 is pretty darn good. [20:01] btw, you get a terrific improvement when running electricsheep/flam3 on 64bit instead of 32bit :) [20:02] just-lurking, I'll probably stay with slamd64, I had no problem with it :) [20:02] Camarade_Tux: It's had more testing :-) [20:02] Camarade_Tux: please tell me if electricsheep runs on -current after you upgrade... here it stopped working right before release :-( [20:03] KillerV (n=unlimite@bhe201062167174.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:03] xdoctor (n=avs@201.78.186.173) left irc: Client Quit [20:03] KillerV (n=unlimite@bhe201062167174.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:03] Yes. electricsheep works as a KDE screensaver, but pukes if started directly. Any hints on how to fix that would be great. [20:03] I have a few spare partitions, I think slackware64 will get installed on one of them :) [20:04] I'll maybe take a look at electricsheep since I don't run kde ;) [20:04] just-lurking: that sounds pretty easy.. i already have a nice collection of scripts that does various operations on packages and packagelogs.. not to mention hard linking information (as opposed to the output of ldd) [20:04] i'll stick with slamd [20:05] I'but what if fred converts? :) [20:05] hopefully that happens some day :P [20:05] reminds me : can we haz openbox in slackware ? :D [20:06] thrice`: if fred converts, i'll fork from his project [20:06] oh geez [20:06] thrice`: for now, i NEED multilib [20:06] yosii: if fred converts, it is because slackware64 has incorporated everything slamd64 has :P [20:07] yosii: Can you fork the C series, or do you need to fork the whole wheel because you don't like the tire? [20:07] macavity: at that point, i'll join him in the conversion [20:07] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@216-189-179-083-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [20:07] just-lurking: i'd probably just fork the c series [20:07] yosii: Great. That might be a good help. [20:07] just-lurking: less of a PITA than maintaining a complete distro [20:08] just-lurking: btw, having both kinds combined in a single package has its charm.. kinda like the old MacOS universial binaries-ish [20:08] I dunno, forcing 32-bit for those who dont' want it sucks. I'd vote a separate package set too, as its easier to exclude [20:09] communicator (n=abc@89.155.7.246) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:09] hmm... ncftp is nice but gives no progress either [20:09] BSD-like ftp is something GNU/Linux needs [20:09] just-lurking: and i'd probably just use the l series from 32 bit slack, editing the desc, renaming, and editing as a package, to make my C set [20:10] Slackware64 is out?! wat wat wat? [20:10] golly willikers [20:10] yosii: Sure, but L won't cover _everything_. There are some other library packages, like xap/xine-lib [20:10] Action: Camarade_Tux was actually timing how long it would take hiptobecubic^ to react : 3 minutes ;p [20:10] rvo (n=rodrigo@zonarails.com) joined ##slackware. [20:10] this is going to be awesome [20:11] just-lurking: i know that...and i'd hunt it down...it'd take me a couple weeks at least to put together the plan of action to do the fork if i did it [20:11] Camarade_Tux, not fair! I'm using the neighbor's wireless. My connection is shoddy [20:11] I need a cpu that at least supports EM64T now [20:11] hiptobecubic^, hehe :p [20:11] We are waiting for the reports from people upgrading on 32-bit hardware [20:11] lol [20:11] antiwire, if you go for an intel one, take one that supports VT (don't ever forget that) [20:12] yeah [20:12] hiptobecubic (n=john@216-189-179-083-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:12] just-lurking: is it supposed to give a meaningfull error, or just blow up their monitor? [20:12] POOF you're toast [20:12] Action: hiptobecubic^ hates reinstalling things [20:12] upgradepkg will, as usual, do what you tell it to. Including firing a round into your foot [20:12] oh goodie, i quit [20:12] Nick change: hiptobecubic^ -> hiptobecubic [20:13] whats the craziest thing you can do with slackawre [20:13] chowabunga_: get a date? [20:13] alienBOB: http://xkcd.com/293/ [20:13] chowabunga_, launch your computer at the WhiteHouse [20:13] chowabunga_: maintain it [20:13] hi :) [20:13] macavity: proceless :-) [20:14] priceless even! [20:14] it maintains itself [20:14] just-lurking: oh, i meant if people try to boot a Slackware64 DVD on their pentum3? [20:14] VALLEYBROINC (n=VALLEYBR@pool-141-157-84-106.balt.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] macavity: shouldn't that hang on loading kernel? [20:14] macavity: the appropriate response would be to point & laugh [20:14] macavity: It will give an error that the kernel is not compatible with the hardware [20:15] is there an free iso for slackware [20:15] kudos to the slackware team for releasing slackware64 :) [20:15] VALLEYBROINC> of course [20:15] VALLEYBROINC: always [20:15] just-lurking: ok, good... i was afraid that isolinux.img would just cause the machine to hang or something like that [20:15] i cant find one [20:15] VALLEYBROINC: www.slackware.com/getslack [20:15] we have our first troll of the day! [20:15] also.. [20:15] . o O ( http://alphageek.dyndns.org/linux/slackware-mirrors.shtml ) [20:15] There's no slackware64 iso yet, just like there's no slackware-current iso [20:16] isolinux/README.TXT shows how to burn a disc from the tree [20:16] ok, here goes [20:16] just-lurking: actually the crackpots that operate ftp.slackware.no builds unofficial isos of -current every monday [20:16] theres 2 64bit slackwares [20:16] VALLEYBROINC: you aren't supposed to look on the pirate bay for os's(ducks before the other slamd users hit him) [20:16] macavity: Hope they hurry up ;-) [20:16] does it wirk well with quemu [20:16] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.83) joined ##slackware. [20:17] i dont [20:17] it works fine [20:17] i only use oiratebay for the iphone [20:17] just-lurking: they havent even gotten slackware64-current synced yet.. so :P [20:17] We have tested qemu, but did not include it because iirc you need to build that with gcc34 [20:17] But it does work. [20:18] can i save [20:18] that joke at the end is because, iirc, slamd64's iso's are torrented by pirate bay [20:18] alienBOB might have SlackBuilds for those [20:18] right now im using slax and it kinda sux [20:18] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:18] Action: alienBOB might for sure [20:18] I guess some of the archives themselves are still dling Slackware64... the ftp I tried is sort of empty [20:18] VALLEYBROINC: slax is *not* slackware (or even slackware related) [20:19] I think most of the mirrors will not know what will hit them [20:19] macavity: it's related [20:19] it claims to be slack based [20:19] well, just before I go to bed : thanks to the team, http://ninxmz.org/images/demotivators/puppy_awesome.jpeg :) [20:19] Isn't every distro slack-related? ;-) [20:19] YES! [20:19] ^^ [20:19] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-109-153.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [20:19] just-lurking: unless it's SLS [20:19] just-lurking: which, i think, is dead [20:19] pwned [20:20] just-lurking: last time i tried to help a user that forgot to mention he was using slax, i found out just *how* retarded it has become in its time away from mainline... i vote we take a big phat magic marker and erase it from the family photo... [20:20] superGear (i=1000@71-212-184-180.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:20] just-lurking: slax *was* slackware related ;-) [20:20] now it is pretty much in category with SuSE :P [20:21] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@93.86.18.220) left irc: "Leaving" [20:21] paissad (n=paissad@12.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [20:21] suse WAS redhat-based at one point [20:21] just think of slax as that eccentric uncle that never got married and wears funny clothes and always has strange women visiting him late at night [20:22] yosii: suse was once slackware with rpm retrofitted, and following the redhat release cycle :P [20:22] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [20:22] gm152_ (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:22] Pig_Pen: s/eccentric/drunk/ [20:22] yeah [20:22] macavity: ah... [20:22] suse was once Slackware with the installer translated to German, and pretty much no other differences [20:22] OMFG! [20:22] just-lurking: i don't remember that far back [20:22] slackware64! [20:22] :D [20:22] and from there it has been all down hill :P [20:23] gabriel: wellcome to the party :-) [20:23] is the best news in my day [20:23] Action: macavity brings out a toast for the new member of the family [20:23] over the no-ah1n1 [20:23] jajaja [20:23] may slackware64 last untill slackware128 is mature ;-P [20:24] macavity: about 4 years, then [20:24] LOL [20:24] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.83) left irc: "Leaving." [20:24] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:24] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.83) joined ##slackware. [20:25] macavity: just looking at accelerating development...the first 128 bit pc processor should come out next year [20:25] macavity: slax is not that bad, not really a trustworthy OS since it is 100% root 24/7/365 so you would not want to use it full time but it is good for fixing things like an unbootable system or something like that, (good in a pinch) [20:25] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [20:25] macavity: then it'll be a matter of building the toolchain for it to port slack there [20:25] none of them will download [20:26] yosii: uhm.. it is the adressing mode of the memory interface that dictates "the bits" [20:26] um no its the size of the native register [20:26] macavity: hmmm...i'm behind then... [20:26] macavity: or severely mistaken [20:26] i read the changelog foe slackware64 and rofl. [20:27] rworkman, alienBOB, just-lurking, and everyone else involved, thanks for the amazing distro, and best of all the shiney new slackware64! this is a great day. :) [20:27] +1 [20:28] Slackware64 - what have i missed o.o [20:28] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:28] compl3x: you went to the loo at the wrong time my freind :P [20:29] compl3x: scroll up and read the fun [20:29] macavity: how far o.0 [20:29] oh, about half an hour or so [20:29] the news is still "hot" [20:29] i bet it hasn't hit neither slashdot nor twitter yet [20:30] exists a slackware64 changelog? [20:30] I'll leave that to others. I just posted the news on my blog [20:30] gabriel: yes, but it is very short :P [20:30] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-current/ChangeLog.txt [20:30] thanks [20:30] gabriel: but worth the read for sure [20:30] Nice changelog, eh? [20:30] anyone submit the story to slashdot? i read slashdot but i never submit and rarely even comment [20:30] hahaha [20:30] I am not really a slashdot fan [20:30] alienBOB: awsome [20:30] very very short [20:30] why did the girlfriend ring in that 30 minutes o.0 [20:31] slashdot is like the Internet's news blender. [20:31] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:31] compl3x: to teach you what is more important.. girls or slackware [20:31] compl3x: oh wait.. what the fsck am i saying! [20:32] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [20:32] sorry slackware, i didnt mean that.. you know you are still my one and only sugar baby [20:32] hahaha [20:32] Action: just-lurking runs [20:32] if you keep the comments above +4 or +5 (karma) the comments are good at slashot, the trolls & flamebaits get modded down fairly quickly [20:32] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.83) left irc: "Leaving." [20:32] macavity: LOL [20:32] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.83) joined ##slackware. [20:32] just-lurking: i know.. i'm such a fanboi :P [20:33] So wait - to sum it up - slackware64 is out ? [20:33] YESSS! [20:33] slackware64-current is out... slackware64 13.0, not out yet [20:33] so i can finally utilize my cpu? :p [20:33] or rather, slackware64-current is a reality [20:33] i run current anyway :p [20:34] ok, lets see if we can get this sucker to change mirror to slackware64-current and run slackpkg update && slackpkg upgrade-all && slackpkg install-new [20:34] those distrose are no good [20:34] wheres the slackware 64 documentation lol [20:35] VALLEYBROINC: which distroes are no good? [20:35] can we mirror slackware64 and upgrade with slackpkg ? [20:35] Good evening just-lurking. :) [20:35] compl3x: no! [20:35] VALLEYBROINC: what are you smoking? you better change dealers because the hooch they are selling you is no good [20:35] get ready for mayhem [20:35] macavity: I thought so - you confused me :p [20:36] compl3x: but when dartmouth comes in here.. just keep you trap shut, ok? :P [20:36] maybe none they just dont dl when i click them try yourself [20:36] macavity: howcome? [20:36] VALLEYBROINC: do you even know what your nick means? [20:36] dchmelik1 (n=d@66.243.232.150) joined ##slackware. [20:36] macavity: oooh your gonna get him to try it? [20:36] are you from the SFV? [20:36] compl3x: ;-) [20:36] haha [20:36] ooh current upgrade time [= [20:37] dont clown me just help [20:37] Valley Bro Inc. ? [20:37] looks like you're from Baltimore Mr Valley Bro... [20:37] please [20:37] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.150) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:37] thats right [20:37] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.83) left irc: Client Quit [20:37] VALLEYBROINC: dont you have a torrent client? [20:37] VALLEYBROINC: you need a good fast unbusy mirror [20:37] me and my bro are valleys and we run a biz [20:38] VALLEYBROINC: sup bra [20:38] bmore allday [20:38] I must say - in my 6-7 months of solid slackware usage -- Its probably one of my favourite things on this earth. [20:38] utorrent [20:38] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.105.65) joined ##slackware. [20:38] remember when Kramer on Seinfeld invented the Bro ? [20:38] compl3x> seriously, get laid [20:39] chowabunga_: I do - i said ONE of my favourite [20:39] dchmelik1 (n=d@66.243.232.150) left irc: Client Quit [20:39] VALLEYBROINC: then just get the 12.2 iso and burn it [20:39] oh and probably [20:39] chowabunga_: however i have rejected sex and went on the pc [20:39] Pig_Pen: they didn't invent the 'bro' thing [20:39] chowabunga_: i just cant go 3 times in a row [20:39] your mom doesnt count [20:39] ive got a mini9 netbook but i dont want ubuntu [20:40] chowabunga_: two then [20:40] :p [20:40] will slackware install on it [20:40] VALLEYBROINC: install, yes... [20:40] compl3x> well played [20:40] i thought maybe it would be to large [20:40] chowabunga_: tushay [20:41] VALLEYBROINC: how much hd you got? [20:41] there are very much moviment in the changelogs...slackware13 comming soon? [20:41] compl3x: it's spelled touche [20:41] TClayton (n=CarpFish@nc-76-0-181-126.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. [20:41] TClayton (n=CarpFish@nc-76-0-181-126.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] gabriel> they dont have any zingers yet [20:41] yosii: ]= [20:41] 300gig exsternal [20:41] VALLEYBROINC: or just wget ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/slackware-12.2-install-dvd.iso [20:41] VALLEYBROINC: you got MORE than enough [20:42] VALLEYBROINC: all i got is and only 40 of it is set for a / partition for slack [20:42] the rest is a /home partition [20:42] i meant a 120 [20:42] but i dont carry around my hard drive its not portable [20:42] ooh some nice updates [= [20:42] VALLEYBROINC: how much space you got onboard? [20:43] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("()"). [20:43] superGear (i=supergea@71-212-184-180.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] dont know how do i find out [20:43] anyhows.. back to fixing libtool :-/ [20:43] lol [20:43] im a noob obviously [20:43] macavity: good luck :p [20:43] i got redhat on desktop [20:43] macavity: hacking around? [20:44] VALLEYBROINC: http://slackbook.org is requesting your presence. :) [20:44] compl3x: apparently i need to become a libelf expert [20:44] rworkman++ [20:44] VALLEYBROINC: open a term and type df [20:44] Jean (n=jean@93-36-226-114.ip62.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:44] macavity: haha fun [20:44] yosii: df -h :P [20:44] it will tell me how many k on your hard drive [20:44] hurray, 64-bit :D [20:44] divide by 1024 for megs [20:44] divide by 1024 again for gigs [20:44] eh [20:45] Acey (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/acey) joined ##slackware. [20:45] you need roughly 5 gig to hold a full install [20:45] compl3x: will you belive that there (apparetently) does not exist a tool that can manipulate which .so files a binary points to? [20:45] 1.6 gig free [20:45] O_O [20:45] not free...total [20:45] macavity: o.o [20:45] 8 [20:45] VALLEYBROINC: you can hold slack, barely [20:45] macavity: well have fun ;) [20:46] recomendations anyone? vsftpd or proftpd? [20:46] VALLEYBROINC: but you won't have much room for extra software [20:46] that sucks [20:46] t [20:46] lf4: vsftpd if not-freaking-huge setups [20:46] lf4: it is nice and easy to set up [20:46] i cant do shit once i get it then [20:46] meh [20:46] VALLEYBROINC: do you want to run KDE or xfce? [20:47] all i know is kde [20:47] VALLEYBROINC: i run a full install here, and it takes up 4.6 gigs [20:47] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [20:48] i guess i can do what i want if im connected to my external [20:48] how do i total all installed packages :) [20:48] VALLEYBROINC: if you remove all the tex/ stuff and all the other windows managers (XFCE, blackbox, fluxbox, etc) you can probably scrape it down to 4 gigs [20:48] macavity: lol thats what I am trying to do right now is set up vsftpd [20:48] lf4> did you look in inetd.conf [20:48] lf4: just make sure you start it from inetd [20:49] lf4: edit the line in /etc/inetd.conf with vsftpd, restart inetd, and you'll have anon access to /home/ftp [20:49] that leavs me with out a grafical sys dont it [20:49] I dont want it to start up and run all the time. [20:49] lf4: that is the proper way, and what vsftpd was designed for [20:49] http://digg.com/linux_unix/Slackware_officially_goes_64bit [20:49] VALLEYBROINC: no [20:49] lol FUCK DIGG [20:49] VALLEYBROINC: not if you keep KDE [20:49] VALLEYBROINC: actually, no...you'll still have graphics if you keep X and kde [20:49] macavity: i see [20:50] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:50] VALLEYBROINC: rather, GUI with those 2 [20:50] be glad you aren't my wife... [20:50] she insists on gnome [20:50] VALLEYBROINC: but if you have an external HDD, you can store all your music and movies on that [20:50] chowabunga_: digg is just as popular as /. [20:50] amazon10x (i=amazon10@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-13c3af01ba3aad18) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:50] she refuses to use kde or anything else [20:50] both are sess pools [20:50] < /bitching about wife > [20:50] yosii, same here wife only likes gnome [20:50] yosii: shove ubuntu at her :P [20:51] i do have online subs [20:51] Action: firebird619 waves hello to Old_Fogie [20:51] hello all [20:51] orb [20:51] Old_Fogie: wellcome to the party! :-) [20:51] macavity: we share a computer...and ubuntu gets progressively unstable for us [20:51] Old_Fogie: gsb? [20:51] i'd vote it up for you if i had a digg account and hadnt blocked digg at hosts file [20:51] yosii, no, "fogieware" [20:51] chowabunga_: maybe so, but they both drive technology news through the roof [20:51] yosii, homemade brew :) [20:51] macavity, :) [20:51] Old_Fogie: tell me of this "fogieware" [20:51] is online storage good enough for exstras [20:52] Old_Fogie: did you see the channel topic? [20:52] reading it now mac [20:52] Old_Fogie: better, let's take a sidebar and discuss this at length, should you have the time [20:52] woh! slackware 64 ? what the ... :) [20:52] Hehe [20:52] lol [20:52] heh [20:52] VALLEYBROINC: with your level of expertise i would not reccomend trying to install software on external storage devices [20:53] w4lk (n=w4lk@cpe-071-068-224-209.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:53] I have a problem with alsa. [20:53] congrat's to all slackware dev's then! I'm sure it'll be splendid. [20:53] The only bitch I have already.. not multilib.. but I can see why not.. Slamd64 can cover that ground already.. so its nice to have a pure64 official releae [20:53] Acey> how! [20:53] well, I have a sound problem with alsa 1.0.15... [20:53] so I removed alsa packages from that version. [20:54] Dominian> hell yea [20:54] I got alsa version 1.0.20 and compiled them. [20:54] but... [20:54] VALLEYBROINC: but if you trim down the default install a little you should still have 4gigs for your regular user.. + anything big being on the external HDD [20:54] Dominian> but seriously...what aer the benefits.... [20:54] chowabunga_: of? [20:54] cat /proc/asound/version shows [20:54] 64 bit [20:54] Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.15 (Tue Nov 20 19:16:42 2007 UTC). [20:54] see? [20:54] Dominian: give them time, eventually they will have it multilib, they barely got it started [20:54] alsaconf and alsamixer show 1.0.20, though... any clue, chowabunga_ ? [20:55] MarkPost (n=mpost@c-76-112-224-24.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] Pig_Pen: I dunno I've traded email with Pat about this a few years ago.. [20:55] if not i am sure there will be some slackbuilds for multilib [20:55] and the problem is the driver "acts" like 1.0.15, that is, only one volume control... [20:55] he leaned more towards pure64 if a viable multilib was available. [20:55] Dominian: It's useful if you have more than 4GB. And number crunching is a lot faster. [20:55] Pig_Pen: gcc in slackware64-current doesn't contain 32bit compatibility.. already checked :P [20:55] just-lurking: er.. yeah I know.. chowabunga_ was asking not me [20:55] I don't even have 4gig combined in all my pc's put together :) [20:55] oh yeah :-) [20:56] The surge of netbook popularity has certainly entrenched 32-bit for a long time to come. [20:56] MarkPost: you might find #slackbuilds handy too (or perhaps not - your call) :) [20:57] Oh my "Remove a bunch of juvenile comments. Source code should look professional, even if some developers are not." <--taken from evolution 2.26.1 changelog [20:57] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [20:57] Old_Fogie: do they plan on removing the obnoxious dependencies from it too? [20:57] lol [20:57] man I should diff this and see what it said [20:58] rworkman, oh I'm chasing my tail here. they broke evolution / or evo data server in "stable" what the heck. this is a nightmare. [20:58] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-249.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] Old_Fogie: that'll teach you to run gnome. [20:58] agreed [20:58] hiptobecubic (n=john@216-189-179-083-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Connection timed out [20:58] Heya,folks...How's everyone? [20:58] drunk [20:58] MLanden: /topic please :) [21:00] LinuxyErin (n=erin@ppp-70-252-130-205.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] rworkman, tho I got a question for you. would you file a bug with XFCE, or tvtime. Regardless if I'm on a clean slack 12.1/12.2 or --current...if I use XFCE and tvtime (the only package built for any of the three versions of Slack) my box freezes up. But, I can run in kde, flux, or on my 12.1 gnome...and never crash. Any ideas. Some debug thing? Tho I've no idea how to do that. I'm using SBo's buildscripts for tvtime. [21:00] Old_Fogie: is the entire box freezing, or just X? [21:00] i.e. can you ssh in to the box still? [21:00] rworkman, this happes with an ati card, or an intel card [21:01] rworkman, the whole box freezes [21:01] rworkman, and this happens on xfce in 12.1/12.2 and the latest xfce too. [21:01] 32 bit PCs is all i have here, and its not like i have the cabbage to throw down on new hardware very often [21:01] Wow. [21:01] rworkman, if I resize the tvtime window...I just freeze. but I can do it all day long in other window managers on the same pc. [21:01] Old_Fogie: caps lock key flashing? (is it a kernel panic?) [21:01] I thought it might be gtk, but even if I use icewm, or gnome...nope no freeze. just xfce. [21:02] I lose ctrl-al-backspace..ssh is not available, nothing. [21:02] Old_Fogie: also, do you have the Composite extension disabled in xorg.conf? If not, can you try that? [21:02] Old_Fogie: when i had a TV card i used to use xawtv, it was a few years ago so i can not say if it will work on modern software [21:02] It's been happening since 12.1 came out for me, I just use another window manager for the pc's that have tvtime on it. I was hoping it'd go away in xfce/new version, but it's still around it would apear. [21:03] rworkman, I tried turning of composite and aiglx both in xorg server extensions, same thing. [21:03] Wow. [21:03] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.101.179) joined ##slackware. [21:03] Pig_Pen, well (and I dont know here) but tvtime runs awesome, except if in xfce. [21:03] RESOLVED: Don't run it in xfce. [21:04] rworkman, yea [21:04] rworkman, just didn't know if you (or anyone here) had tvtime, and tried it in xfce and ever had an issue with resizing tvtime, and froze up [21:04] Seriously, I have no fscking clue. What else does tvtime access besides the video card? [21:04] yuv stuff [21:04] reminds of of when i would use mplayer with WindowMaker back around slack 9ish or 10 those two items had some sort of conflict [21:04] needs dri [21:05] mrgoblin (n=mrgoblin@203.173.161.192) joined ##slackware. [21:05] rworkman, and like I said, if i build tvtime on a pure clean slack box, 12.1/12.2/--current and that's the only app 3rd party to a pure slack box, it happens. but only in xfce. [21:05] computers...like women I guess, mind all their own. [21:05] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:06] Action: Old_Fogie hides :) [21:06] hehe [21:06] Old_Fogie: I think I'd bring it up on both lists, and be sure to answer the questions I asked. :) [21:06] yea ok [21:07] rworkman, maybe I'll throw debian on one of them boxes and confirm/deny it too first [21:07] lymeca (n=lymeca@dsl-74-220-76-19.dhcp.cruzio.com) joined ##slackware. [21:07] there's a lot of patches for tvtime, maybe it's one of them. [21:07] Old_Fogie, wonder if its a fam/gamin/gvfs problem [21:08] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:09] VampirePenguin, rworkman this is my 'requiredbuilder' ldd's of tvtime http://pastebin.com/d637386f1 [21:10] VALLEYBROINC (n=VALLEYBR@pool-141-157-84-106.balt.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [21:10] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:10] i had problems with xv running my webcam in skype but it would run fine in wxcam... i changed my vid driver in X from vesa to intel and updated my libraries and now it all works fine [21:11] skype would actually segfault with xv err [21:11] yeah this just happens on resize the tv with the mouse, it's just odd. [21:12] Old_Fogie: what is the default resolution of tvtime? [21:12] i read some bad things about skype just a while ago at /. [21:12] MarkPost (n=mpost@c-76-112-224-24.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [21:12] what about Pig_Pen .. i love it i NEVER use landline just pc to pc [21:12] http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/19/1430234 [21:13] MLanden, looks like 760 wide, but kruler doesnt go verticle, so I dont know the heigh [21:14] Hi MLanden, how are you? [21:14] MLanden, but it's a 3x4 aspect [21:14] Fine thanks,firebird619 and yourself? [21:15] MLanden: doing great, thanks. :) [21:15] MLandon, any relation to tom hank's character in da vinci code? [21:16] not me,jeev..:D [21:16] brb in a few [21:16] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [21:17] heh [21:17] Old_Fogie: Does the app freeze if you shrink the aspect? [21:17] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:17] rworkman, alienBOB btw ".....Slackware 13.0 is released" <--- that's (in an Austin Power's voice) "Bad Moe-Joe" [21:17] MLanden, yes [21:18] Old_Fogie: any errors appear in the logs? [21:18] MLanden, I get a frozen box, and zero logs (I've booted in with live cd) after the crash, to make sure I got the logs as is [21:19] ya thats basically what i have heard Pig_Pen on the skype deal... but they have no access to my bank information and i never call a landline [21:19] ah, ok, just wanting to make you were informed about it [21:20] ty [21:20] i appreciate it [21:20] ya i do very little shopping online unless i know its ssl/https or i can send encrypted [21:20] since skype has no personal information on you i guess you are safe [21:20] MLanden, my solution is..just dont use xfce . but since new xfce is out, and it's a complete rewrite, I'd thought this issue may go by the wayside. But it's still happening. So I guess I"ll just keep using non-xfce on the boxes that have the tv cards. But I'm gonna try debian on one of em' and see if it happens with that too as an experiment. [21:21] there was one site i signed up for that wanted my em passwd.. i like no fkn way [21:21] lol [21:21] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: Client Quit [21:21] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.44) joined ##slackware. [21:23] hear ya,Old_Fogie...my only guess if probably a conflict with tvtime and XFCE battlin' for use of libICE and/or libSM [21:23] s/if/is [21:23] I see [21:23] ok ty [21:24] MLanden, the tvtime I use get's a lot of patches, so I'll peruse them and see if the bug filed relating to each of the patches might relate to that. [21:24] i dont sign up anywhere anymore, the only place i use a username & password is a couple of email accounts and slashdot, places like myspace, facebook, twitter, digg i avoit [21:24] avoid [21:24] Old_Fogie: good luck [21:25] is it possible to run Xfvb and fluxbox simultaneously? [21:25] bijit (n=benji@200.122.188.156) left irc: "leaving" [21:26] Pig_Pen> good job [21:26] Pig_Pen, ya im same way... and i run multiple passwds of diff strengths for diff protocols which also rotate [21:28] has anyone tried xmonad on slackware? [21:30] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:31] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] Acey (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/acey) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:35] w4lk (n=w4lk@cpe-071-068-224-209.sc.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:38] just-lurking (i=3321@slackware.com) left irc: "leaving" [21:40] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-71-202-96-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:40] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "fnord!!" [21:41] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:43] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.252.155.119) left irc: "leaving" [21:44] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:45] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [21:46] heret|c (n=heretic@c-71-199-141-98.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:47] ive used xmonad but not on slack [21:48] dogsoul (i=doggy@dogsoul.org) joined ##slackware. [21:48] unixfool: ping [21:48] my problem and it was justa matter of configuration probably was gui apps that i needed to run if they popped up a dialog box locked up [21:48] poona, 666 [21:48] poofo,^^ [21:49] lol wrong key [21:49] VampirePenguin: is the performance improvement with xmonad really good? [21:50] VampirePenguin: i am not sure which to go in for -> ratpoison or xmonad. but I have heard xmonad is extremely stable [21:50] amrit|wrk (n=amrit@c-67-188-213-209.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [21:50] kde is eating up my memory [21:50] get more [21:50] xmonad rocks for cli apps... i had some challenges installing it but that was bc of pebcak mainly... its nice an light and fun for just using a keybd with no mouse [21:51] xmonad is stable < 1000 lines in haskell [21:51] ghp? is the big package in it [21:51] straterra: but that doesn't solve the issue oh how quickly you can deal with windows [21:51] poona: if you want someting super small and light maybe try dwm [21:51] VampirePenguin: ghc [21:51] good night [21:51] http://www.wisevid.com/view_video.php?viewkey=919969ccab0080ddd8e2 [21:51] poona, its fast to switch views/focus [21:51] chowabunga_ (n=chowabun@c-24-126-163-118.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:52] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) joined ##slackware. [21:52] i was having difficulty with gui apps [21:52] which is why i dont use it now [21:52] VampirePenguin: TRy awesome [21:52] i have bigpaws [21:52] VampirePenguin: difficulty in what sense? [21:52] that ones easier to set up [21:52] lymeca (n=lymeca@dsl-74-220-76-19.dhcp.cruzio.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:52] i thought it was supposed to make life simple :) [21:52] well every app that starts auto tiles [21:53] some apps jammed [21:53] if you neeeded a popup or dialog box [21:53] VampirePenguin: which means it is not stable? [21:53] no its stable [21:53] xmonad didnt lock up [21:53] the app did? [21:53] ya [21:53] or it wouldnt display properly [21:54] in which case you could have killed the app right? [21:54] oh [21:54] most likely it was me and not knowing exactly how to configure it more [21:54] VampirePenguin: what are you using now? [21:54] oh with slack im back to kde 3.5.10 [21:54] i was using gnome 2.26 and xfce 4.6 [21:54] ah. kde is a memory hogger [21:55] i got 3gb ram... unused ram is wasted ram [21:55] well, yeah. i have 500 mb. it is a vm. the laptop has 2 gb. but again the ram doesn't solve how quickly one can do things [21:56] xmonad is fast [21:56] for a lite de/wm flux would be my choice [21:56] i thing virtually every wm like xmonad, ratpoison is good [21:56] i have tried ratpoison [21:56] i like kde 3.5.x... kde 4.x sux donkey balls [21:57] i liked ratpoison, since it used emacs like key bindings which made things really simple for me [21:57] ive tried rat too [21:57] VampirePenguin: were you able to put a background image in ratpoison [21:57] see i dont like emacs bindings.. to me i feel like i need to be an octopus... i fell in love with vi/m and it makes sense to me in its functioning [21:58] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [21:58] well, yeah. use the one that you are most comforable with [21:58] ya i was pleased with gnome 2.26 [21:58] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] and xfce [21:58] i had a fam issue with encfs/fuse [21:59] but once i stopped using it and used gvfs and gamin the problem went away [21:59] okay. i'l try xmonad, awesome and dwm then [22:00] thanks [22:00] heret|c (n=heretic@c-71-199-141-98.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:00] i can do 99% of all i need to do in cli.. from watching movies, to email, to chat, to im, to doing documents, etc.... the only reason i need a gui is bc i have to see some flash stuff, java and pdfs... and of course dont forget the porn [22:01] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.26.145) left irc: "Leaving" [22:01] yw poona [22:02] VampirePenguin: well, thought console is perfect for doing things and that is where i do most of my stuff, i use gui apps for a lot of things just like you [22:02] not that all the gui things can't be done on the console [22:02] for example i can run this irc client on emacs or irssi [22:02] pdf i am not sure, if it can be opened on the console [22:02] i run weechat or xchat [22:02] i used to use xchat [22:03] bitlbee was being a pita [22:03] moved away to chatzilla since it has the same keybindings as ff [22:03] so im back to pidgin and going to try centerim again [22:03] finch doesnt like screen [22:04] finch? 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[22:04] irssi looked good. i was watching a friend of mine use it [22:05] irssi++ [22:05] weechat does vertical and horizontal splits plus navigation is easier [22:05] i can have 8 splits easy on my screen [22:05] and 16 if i push it [22:06] i like this split concept [22:06] ya its cool [22:06] irrsi only does horizontals [22:06] one of the reasons i am moving towards another wm [22:06] well you can use flux and do you use screen [22:06] it splits too [22:07] i use screen only when i use putty [22:07] on konsole, i use tabs [22:07] and u can keep processes running and attach remotely, record ur keystrokes and have other ppl join your session [22:07] not a great screen user though [22:07] screen jams [22:07] yes [22:07] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.26.145) joined ##slackware. [22:08] that imho is basically if you used it to its potential a wm of its own [22:08] then run in flux, open, icewm or something else [22:08] Anthony__ (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [22:08] VampirePenguin: it is a vm in the console world :) [22:09] *vm/wm [22:09] Action: poona has been using vm too often these days [22:10] ya i run vms [22:10] that is how i test [22:10] ppl that use 10 million partions make life hard for themselves.. im lazy i use vms [22:11] which hypervisor do you use [22:12] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-249.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Take care,folks...bbiab" [22:12] *vm software [22:14] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [22:15] i use vmware server, vbox, have played with qemu and use it acutally for file conversions to bins, tried xen [22:15] vmware is the gold standard [22:16] but with oracle buying vbox well see in the next couple yrs what turns out [22:16] mrgoblin (n=mrgoblin@203.173.161.192) left ##slackware. [22:17] groo_ (n=groo@189.64.168.206) joined ##slackware. [22:18] oh [22:18] vbox isnt ready for enterprise production [22:19] small biz to low end mid maybe [22:19] and def perfect for a home user [22:19] groo_ (n=groo@189.64.168.206) left irc: Client Quit [22:21] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.153.183) joined ##slackware. [22:21] VampirePenguin: how was xen [22:21] VampirePenguin: their official site doesn't have a package for slacke [22:22] Do I still need to install the "vsupdfstab" in the 12.2 version in order to automount USB devices? (http://slackwareart.blogspot.com/2007/07/using-usb-memory-sticks-with-slackware.html) [22:22] Action: Shingoshi cheers! MC now has support for xz/lzma files! [22:23] poona, xen when i tried it need xen kernel [22:23] VampirePenguin: okay [22:23] it was not user friendly enough to me [22:23] poona : uhmm, and that's news to you? most software vendors don't have packages for slackware :) [22:23] ananke: actually i thought no one had packages for slackware, till i found xmonad yesterday :) [22:24] for the first time [22:24] best way to utilize xen is by using distros that package it for you, that way you avoid a lot of headache. especially if they provide both dom0 and domU support, for paravirtualization [22:24] in my slack use :) [22:24] that's where xen shines: paravirtualization [22:24] i havent used kvm or jeos at all which are new competitors [22:25] happycycling (n=happycyc@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:26] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-71-202-96-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:27] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-71-202-96-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:32] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "goodbye" [22:33] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-072-148-151-050.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:33] c0r3 (n=nobody@222.172.221.99) joined ##slackware. [22:34] hello, could somebody tell me how to restrict arp table to contain only one static item? [22:34] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-072-148-151-050.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:34] You want your ARP table to contain only a single entry?! [22:34] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-072-148-151-050.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:35] Alan_Hicks: yep, to against certain arp attacks [22:35] That's ridiculous. [22:35] happycycling (n=happycyc@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it" [22:35] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-072-148-151-050.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [22:35] That would allow you to connect only to one other machine on your LAN, and to connect to the Internet, that would have to be your default gateway. [22:35] God help you if your default gateway and your DNS server are two different hosts on the LAN. [22:36] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-072-148-151-050.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:36] on my machine if i do a arp -d , the entry doesn't get deleted [22:36] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:37] is it because it is connected only to the router? [22:37] or its filled as soon as its deleted [22:37] Alan_Hicks: in fact i've only one entry right now [22:37] lymeca (n=lymeca@dsl-74-220-76-19.dhcp.cruzio.com) joined ##slackware. [22:37] Alan_Hicks: it's the gateway [22:37] nooper: that is what i suspected [22:37] Are there other machines on your LAN that you might one day want to talk to? [22:37] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:38] maybe you can firewall by MAC address [22:38] Alan_Hicks: not for the moment, i'm suffering from arp poisoning [22:38] You can, and that's a much better solution. [22:39] c0r3: Some one on your LAN ARP poisoning you? [22:39] lymeca (n=lymeca@dsl-74-220-76-19.dhcp.cruzio.com) left ##slackware ("No matter how dark the night, somehow the Sun rises once again"). [22:39] Alan_Hicks: right [22:40] Then go out to your truck, get your gun, come back, and shoot that person. Problem solved, and much easier than trying to manually lock down your ARP table. [22:40] I don't think any of the tools allow you to do that. You'd have to basically edit the kernel. [22:41] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.101.179) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:42] ok.. glibc does not have vis() [22:42] >_< [22:43] i *hate* GNU<->BSD inconsistancies :-/ [22:45] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:46] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:46] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.150) joined ##slackware. [22:47] How can I find out what is accessing my sound card and making an annoying sound from my speakers? I dont have any applications up it sounds like something did not exit fully. [22:47] "lsof" [22:48] lf4: it is more likely that something exited fully, but forgot to flush the sound buffer before doing so [22:48] lf4: that way the sound card keeps playing the same tiny slice of sound over and over again [22:48] macavity: yep thats it [22:48] lf4: cat /dev/zero > /dev/dsp [22:49] ha dont do that do cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp :) [22:49] lf4: hit ^c to stop cat [22:49] alright will try that macavity [22:49] lol tecky haha dont think I'll try that one ;) [22:49] tecky: if you want to hear god you zcat /boot/vmlinuz > /dev/dsp ;-) [22:50] lf4: if that doesnt work, modprobe -r the driver for your soundcard and insmod it again [22:50] gzip: /boot/vmlinuz.gz: No such file or directory [22:51] I think you just made me an atheist [22:51] :P [22:51] Nick change: gm152_ -> gm152 [22:51] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:51] oh, mine says gzip: /boot/vmlinuz: not in gzip format [22:52] odd.. its bzImage [22:52] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:54] Its actually not a looping sound. Its erroring on authenticaion. Some app is trying to access but failing. lol Its pretty funny. [22:55] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:56] lf4: when you ran useradd, did you read the onscreen help about using arrow-up to get the right groups? [22:56] anyhow, time to hit the sack [22:56] enough hacking around with stupid libelf for now :-/ [22:57] orba (n=obnautic@c-71-237-242-122.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:57] Nick change: orba -> obnauticus [22:57] ule (n=anybody@unaffiliated/ule) joined ##slackware. [22:59] macavity: yeah I did but this system was at work I did not configure it I actually dont really mess with it... Ubuntu system :P [22:59] night macavity [23:00] aminus (n=aminus@pool-71-105-70-31.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:01] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:01] hi are there any torrents for slackware64 [23:01] Slamd64? [23:01] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-76-122.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:02] Motoko-chan: /topic [23:02] Hmmmm [23:02] Sounds interesting [23:02] Sure does [23:02] damn...i just noticed taht myself [23:02] Hi ya fool [23:03] hey [23:03] Action: Motoko-chan will need to rsync it up this weekend [23:03] ok, i need to put that on the channel blog [23:03] so i guess no torrents? [23:03] i bet there is [23:04] might have to research tho [23:04] Not until 13.0 I would guess. [23:04] and check slackware.com/getslack [23:04] It just went live a few hours ago. [23:04] ahhh [23:04] It's just -current based on the website post [23:04] There aren't many seeders yet. [23:04] damn...how in the world did i just miss that? [23:04] unixfool: Too much frop? [23:05] No 64 in the torrent page [23:05] of course, there is no 64 release [23:05] I would think, that you could just point alienBOB's 'mirror-slackware-current.sh' script to a server for the 64bit version, and make a cd/dvd or usb install of it from there. [23:05] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.153.183) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [23:05] thrice`, indeed [23:06] likely advise, is if you can't figure out how to run slackware64, it's probably not a good fit yet :) [23:06] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:06] Better question is, would you want the first version, of a new version of Slackware, to be "Version 13" <--- bad moejoe [23:06] lol [23:06] Indeed [23:07] Action: Motoko-chan will just rsync it up and do a nfs install [23:07] be sure to use a 64-bit kernel to install [23:07] There's a reason, when we design and build buildings, there is *no* 13th floor. there's a 12, there's a 14, but no 13. [23:07] cant find any iso's... been a very long time since ive used slack [23:07] I've done Slamd64 installs over network, I'm not that bad. [23:07] Action: BP{k} doesn't believe in superstition, it brings bad luck. [23:08] BP{k}, haha [23:08] Motoko-chan: cp -r slackware-current/source slackware64-current will save you about 1.8 gig on syncing [23:08] I'm gonna have to repack /etc/slackware-version on my install iso before I burn it. [23:08] All the noarch stuff? [23:08] s/noarch// [23:08] :) [23:08] Anyone paying attention can say (in hindsight) that this was obvious. :) [23:09] the source code is the same [23:09] Hopefully there aren't i486 packages there still [23:09] What is obvious? [23:09] many times the 13th floor exists but unmarked as a "service floor" [23:09] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042315]" [23:09] =p lol [23:09] c0r3 (n=nobody@222.172.221.99) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:09] Motoko-chan: the slackware-current/source/ dir has been the slackware64-current/source/ for a while :) [23:09] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: "Leaving" [23:10] linux_probe, well the floor is there, but tagged "12a" etc :) [23:10] yep [23:10] rworkman, orly? [23:10] Even source/a/lilo/slack64.bmp was there, and nobody noticed. [23:10] linux_probe, one building had no number at all on the 13th floor button we did [23:10] seen some labled service 1, 2, 3, etc [23:10] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:10] Action: Motoko-chan has sync automated and so has not noticed [23:10] linux_probe, for the elevator [23:10] yep [23:10] Been busy building a PHP frontend for eNom's API [23:10] fun [23:10] thus labled S1 S2 S3 buttons :) [23:11] :D [23:11] Considering their dev area is broken and I have to work in production, yeah... [23:11] ouch [23:11] Yeah... [23:11] nothing like a little pressure [23:11] And no refunds. [23:11] Already asked them on it. [23:12] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [23:13] An article on DistroWatch (http://www.distrowatch.com) is about methods to keep up with -current. Rather than the official method to automatically update packages (slackpkg), a third party utility is referred called slackroll. I've never heard of slackroll. [23:14] sloinn (n=adam@84.19.44.79) left irc: "Leaving" [23:14] Maybe because it acts like you ran over your computer with a steamroller? [23:17] gm152: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/article-about-upgrading-to-current-726782/ <-- the author of slackroll chimes in :) [23:18] rworkman: Thanks, I'll read that. [23:18] and I think Ladislav has updated the article [23:19] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:20] |ahmina| (n=lymeca@dsl-74-220-76-19.dhcp.cruzio.com) joined ##slackware. [23:20] <_chess_> haha, that's pretty funny [23:21] <_chess_> what slackroll author had to say [23:21] What reply#? [23:21] <_chess_> see robby's link above [23:22] I see the topic, but not sure which reply there [23:22] rg3 [23:22] Action: fluxnuk3r waves at Old_Fogie [23:22] <_chess_> the last one in the thread [23:22] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [23:22] hmm [23:23] rworkman: you nut [23:24] just read emails [23:24] :) [23:25] Quote: Personally, I have never had any trouble using slackroll [23:25] Lucky bastard! [23:25] lmao [23:25] That's funny. [23:26] aminus (n=aminus@pool-71-105-70-31.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:26] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left ##slackware. [23:27] o_O lul [23:27] congrats on the Slackware64 [23:27] Could be swaret and slaptd revisited with users using these tools then complaining that their boxes broke. [23:27] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [23:27] Action: Motoko-chan used to use swaret [23:28] i've broken mine before with slackpkg ( drunken stupidity) [23:28] =p [23:28] heh [23:28] I've broken many a system "manually" -- shit happens, and tools just make it fly farther. [23:28] yep [23:29] I've done that too. [23:29] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-072-148-151-050.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Success [23:29] Yeah [23:29] I broke a very touch LVM box. [23:29] <_chess_> but fixing it is part of the fun, right? *g* [23:29] Took an hour to find the two commands that would fix it. [23:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:30] i usualy brreak things( when drunk/half-asleep), then dont figure out it's broken for 2 to 10 days [23:30] Heh, _chess_. A rescue CD and some command worked wonders. [23:30] by then i've not a clue what i did when i broke it :( [23:30] commands [23:30] Not being careful to upgrade after a toolchain update did it here. [23:31] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [23:32] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [23:33] <_chess_> I've been guilty of being too quick on the draw with a seriously misplaced 'rm *' in the wrong open terminal. I blame the beer. [23:34] hehe [23:34] Same here :D [23:35] I think most of us have been I once pressed the space while I inteded "rm *~" while in /etc/ [23:35] <_chess_> yeah, I hosed my /etc once too. again blame -> beer :-) [23:36] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-12.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:36] _chess_: are you logged in as root right now too? [23:36] _chess_: I would have if i could, this was a semi production server at work for which we hadn't setup a backup yet. [23:36] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:36] <_chess_> I always run as root on everything, don't you? :-) [23:36] <_chess_> BP{k}: oops [23:37] does :-) mean satire? [23:37] <_chess_> nooper: most definitely [23:37] Action: linux_probe fires BP{k} [23:37] then it doesn't answer my previous question at all [23:38] ivan8013 (n=slKIvs@253.53.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [23:38] linux_probe: luckily my boss found it slightly funny, gave us 2 hours to get the box back up and running. [23:39] >_> [23:41] Nick change: ivan8013 -> slKIvs [23:41] <_chess_> nooper: nope [23:42] test34_ (n=alexb@user-142g4f9.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:42] whoa...slack64 [23:42] \o/ [23:42] Action: edman007 wonders how hard to switch from slamd64 [23:42] when I see in konqueror how many files are in '/' it says 256TB and keeps increasing! [23:42] Action: panzer wonders where to get the cash for a machine to run slack64 [23:43] panzer: kidney ;) [23:43] it must be a symlink loop [23:43] panzer, sell your body [23:43] I just did it here. It was almost seamless but there are caveats. [23:44] |ahmina| (n=lymeca@dsl-74-220-76-19.dhcp.cruzio.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:44] gm152 just did it. so I think I need to give them some time to save up. [23:45] Entirely new local mirror, package format from tgz to txz then dealing with *.new files in /etc and subdirectories. [23:48] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:48] evening all. [23:49] ule (n=anybody@unaffiliated/ule) left ##slackware. [23:49] rucinter (n=rucinter@tei4-ap2.bizarnet.ro) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:49] Hi agentc0re, how are you? [23:49] What's with the huge move from gzip to xz/lzip ? [23:50] im alright, you? [23:50] doing great, thanks. [23:50] Motoko-chan: saves space? [23:51] As the token gnome user, I think txz will confuse users, and we should go back to tgz [23:51] from the changelog: [..]Instead, we will be using xz, based on the LZMA compression algorithm. xz offers better compression than even bzip2, but still offers good extraction performance (about 3 times better than bzip2 and not much slower than gzip in our testing). [23:51] GNOME users do indeed have less brain capacity. [23:51] Motoko-chan, :) [23:52] phrag (n=phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [23:52] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:53] hi guys o/ [23:53] |kevlinux| (n=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:54] phrag: ola [23:54] The txz sure is tiny. I just wish midnight commander could handle opening it. Let's hope :) [23:54] Old_Fogie: check the changelog for 32bit [23:54] oh? [23:54] phrag (n=phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Client Quit [23:54] and away we go... [23:54] XGizzmo made a patch for it and it got accepted upstream [23:55] you gotta watch his patches, they all start with http://paypal... [23:55] hehe [23:55] phrag \o. [23:55] :) [23:55] in case anyone out there tries evolution 2.26.2 --- dont is borked [23:56] hey does the utf8 patch the darn lines in midnight commander in a terminal? [23:56] <_chess_> Old_Fogie: you mean evolution wasn't borked before? [23:56] <_chess_> :-) [23:57] _chess_, hee hee. yea but this tarball builds an evil build man. there's almost 300 lines in my diff log..wtf. [23:57] Old_Fogie: I don't know - I don't use that abomination. [23:57] going a 0.1 bump [23:58] rworkman, yea I prefer kontact myself, but the evolution has one nice feature, import/export that works to sync my handhelds. I've never gotten all the kde/kitchensync stuff to work. [23:58] so I dump kontact --> evolution ---> csv/txt [23:58] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:00] --- Wed May 20 2009