[00:00] but now, the mouse cursor theme is different from what's set in the system when in firefox window bounds [00:01] any ideas? [00:02] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [00:02] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [00:03] njathan: maybe your browser theme doesn't match the one your desktop is set to? or perhaps you are using a window manager that doesn't use gtk ? [00:04] fhobia, yeah.. i am using kde4 window manager.... and to beautify gtk windows, i run xfsettingsd [00:04] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:05] fhobia, but the cursor theme stays default in all other gtk windows... the strange behavior is only with firefox [00:05] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:05] corretico__ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. 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[00:09] |Slacker| (~cris@189.116.149.204) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:10] haha, that was confusing [00:10] so, is there an easy way to use fdisk or cfdisk to format a usb drive? [00:11] just type in "cfdisk /dev/yourUsbDrive" ? [00:11] yeah, i tried that [00:11] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [00:11] that should be it [00:12] jafnhar (~jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Quit: BitchX: now a major feature film [00:13] jafnhar (~jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:13] yeah, it says bad primary partition [00:13] and then any key to exit [00:13] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.53.186.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [00:13] so i was thinking i could probably do it with exit [00:13] corretico__ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [00:13] what was the argument you gave to cfdisk ? [00:13] with fdisk [00:13] lol [00:14] cfdisk /dev/sdb1 [00:14] which is the flash drive [00:14] are you supposed to give it the 1 part there ? [00:14] i think so [00:14] isn't that referring to a partition when in fact what you want to do is partition the "drive" [00:14] not a specific partition like "1" ? [00:14] well, it says the same thing [00:15] either way [00:15] so maybe cfdisk /dev/sdb is more correct [00:15] /dev/sdb [00:15] oh really? damn [00:15] i just tried, and that didn't work [00:16] fhobia, hmm.... seems lxappearance does the job better than xfsettingsd in a way that it preserves the mouse cursor theme in firefox window... [00:16] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:16] njathan: all right, nice :3 [00:16] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [00:16] 03:58 < njathan> the firefox (and other gtk [00:16] prog) windows looked primitive [00:16] when i installed slackware 13 [00:16] Channel flood from sluckxz -- kicking [00:16] (with kde).... i followed the [00:16] 'eye candy' section here -> [00:16] sluckxz kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [00:17] functionoverform: in what way does it not work? [00:17] but lsappearance is a bit tricky to use in a script... it pops up a theme selection window when fired [00:18] why are you runnig it in a script, njathan ? [00:18] i'll give you the exact method [00:18] message [00:18] ugh [00:18] i'm reading something lol [00:18] heh [00:18] in other words, he doesn't have another hand free ? [00:18] XD [00:18] FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 0: Partition table ends in the final partial cylinder [00:18] fhobia, not script exactly.... in .xsessions file... so that its invoked when X starts [00:19] press any key to exit cfdisk [00:19] njathan: do you have to do it everytime X starts ? [00:19] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:20] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:20] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:20] have you tried fdisk? [00:20] i'm trying it right now [00:20] except i don't really understand what's going on.. i type fdisk /dev/sdb [00:20] fhobia, well... i have to find an 'automatic' way of taking care of GTK windows everytime X starts.... [00:20] njathan: i thought it stored the setting once, and then thats it [00:21] and then it gives me a bunch of options, none of which seem to allow me to specify FAT32 [00:21] njathan: have you tried to see whether the setting sticks ? [00:21] sluckxz (sluckxz@unaffiliated/sluckxz) joined ##slackware. [00:22] fhobia, i haven't used lxappearence in xsessions file yet... but whenever i fire it from the console, it pops the theme selection window [00:22] fdisk is for partitioning. you'd want mkfs to write a filesystem. [00:22] that error sounds like the partition table is wrecked though. [00:22] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:22] i agree [00:22] damn, sorry. was copying and pasting fhobia and njathan's conversation for reference. sorry. [00:22] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [00:22] but here's what happens [00:22] i type cfdisk [00:22] njathan: i meant have you tried restarting X without calling those programs in your xsession and seeing if your themes are set properly? just sounds silly of the program's author to require it to be run every time when you start X [00:22] er [00:22] fdisk /dev/sdb1 [00:23] and then i type [00:23] sluckxz, next time, use a pastebin for stuff like that. :) [00:23] wait, that's wrong [00:23] you want fdisk /dev/sdb [00:23] mkfs -t vfat /dev/sdb1 [00:23] and nothing works [00:23] sdb1 is a partition. sdb is the drive. [00:23] fhobia, i haven't actually... i'll give it a shot.. [00:23] njathan: cool [00:23] fire|bird: it wasnt that i was trying to copy it to a local window and missed. [00:24] ut: i just tried that, and i get the same issue where fdisk is being strange [00:25] if it gave you that same error, then maybe you've done something bad to your drive's partition table, but in any case, don't "fdisk /dev/sdb1" anymore. [00:25] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [00:25] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) joined ##slackware. [00:26] alright, well i won't [00:27] this web page says that libparted is smart about generating good partition tables for things. you could probably set up you partitions using parted. [00:27] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.53.186.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:27] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:28] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:28] stu_ (~stuart@124.13.49.213) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [00:28] parted? is that part of default slackware or do i have to get it? [00:28] should be /usr/sbin/parted [00:28] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:28] ok [00:28] ut, is that since v13? [00:28] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.92.129) joined ##slackware. [00:28] just parted from the command line? [00:29] stu_ (~stuart@124.13.49.213) joined ##slackware. [00:29] Action: ut is on -current and has it, shrugs [00:29] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:29] you are trying to partition a usb device? [00:29] Action: andarius has missed it :| [00:30] yes! [00:30] he's trying to format it as fat32, but has partition table issues, apparently [00:30] yes i am [00:30] parted seems friendlier [00:30] many newer usb devuces do not have tables on them [00:30] as of 12.2 [00:30] in fact I have two which do not have tables, the FS is on the dev. /dev/sdd for example [00:31] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:32] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [00:32] i didn't know you could do that. neat, i guess. [00:33] ridout (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:33] acidtripper (~gon@190.188.115.210) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:34] you can. if you just want to change the FS try using the dev. if you need a table I think you have to tell fdisk to force a new table or some such. I have not changed mine so am not sure [00:34] rogersman (gr235423@nat/sun/x-uxhyqsxdyyyptlrt) left ##slackware. [00:36] so how do i specify a fat32 filesystem in parted? [00:36] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:36] the only things i can find online are about gparted [00:37] can you go to the homepage of gnu parted ? [00:37] i am pretty sure it lists it there somewhere [00:37] cause i had to do this once before too :3 [00:37] mkfs -T vfat /dev/$dev or some such [00:37] sorry, lower case "t" [00:38] why not "man parted"? [00:38] lol even better [00:38] haha [00:38] i found the manual [00:38] parted should help create a table is you need one :) [00:38] its not helpful [00:39] well, at least its not quick and easy to use i should say [00:39] stu_ (~stuart@124.13.49.213) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:39] i typed in the exact example from the manual [00:40] and it appears to want to make it ext2 instead of fat32, though it said that i could just type mkfs 2 FAT32 [00:40] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:40] and the error i get [00:40] is mkfs.ext2:invalid blocks count - fat32 [00:40] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:41] actually i didn't capitalize the fat32, because that's what the manual said, verbatim [00:41] you seem a bit lost... [00:41] http://www.zorge.net/?p=22 <-- one example... google is your friend [00:42] i'm thoroughly lost [00:42] i googled quite alot lol [00:44] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [00:44] that is precisely what i needed sir [00:44] thank you [00:44] and again, to format I already mentioned "mkfs -t vfat /dev/$dev" [00:44] lesson learned: andarius is your friend [00:44] yw [00:45] also :: http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl8_mkdosfs.htm [00:45] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.46.183) joined ##slackware. [00:45] but... nothing's in that link that we haven't already been over. [00:45] all top 5 google hits [00:45] Action: ut scratches his head [00:45] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.92.129) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:46] i know dude.. i know [00:46] i'm new to doing this whole slackware thing [00:46] and not using graphical tools [00:47] i'm working at it [00:47] fair enough [00:47] hope the rest goes a little easier for you :) [00:47] yeah, i'm gonna try to make a bootable live usb stick [00:48] just for fun really [00:48] oh yeah, i remember doing that in the slackare setup [00:48] i'd like to know if it actually works [00:48] we shall see! [00:48] i could never get the stick to actually use my real partition [00:48] even with that example it prints out on the first screen [00:49] corretico__ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [00:50] isn't that a backup usb stick that it offers to make? [00:50] at the end of the setup? [00:50] it's a boot usb stick in case your kernel gets hosed [00:51] Action: ut always uses the installation disk when he forgets to run lilo, or make an initrd, etc, so forth [00:51] Action: alisonken1noc too [00:51] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:52] well, with the live usb stick, i'm assuming i'll be able to do updates and stuff, like it was a real hdd, just more pocket sized [00:52] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [00:52] thereby making any computer, my computer. [00:53] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:53] well, any computer i can change the boot priority on [00:53] alisonken1noc: but it says like use "root=" to use some thing as your root partition [00:53] alisonken1noc: and then it ignores it as far as i can tell [00:54] i'm looking at lightweight distros now, to see what i'm gonna use [00:54] fhobia, the "root=.." tells it to boot the kernel from the usb, but mount the root partition from somewhere else [00:54] alisonken1noc: yeah, exactly, but it doesn't [00:54] peregrine|falcon (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Quit: "I guess i had to go to that place to get to this one...." [00:54] need to look at the build script for the usb then [00:54] sounds like the initrd on the usb drive is not doing the pivot_root part [00:55] functionoverform: slackware can be light|heavy weight i suppose [00:55] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:55] i mean, i'm considering it [00:55] yep [00:55] light|heavy as you want it [00:55] very true [00:56] for the most part [00:56] i'd probably just stick with xfce on a usb stick though [00:56] kde4 seems a bit excessive [00:56] xfce or blackbox or somesuch lightweight, yes [00:57] yeah, well i've used xfce before, and its pretty cool. [00:57] jalfrock (~moy@24.145.149.162) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [00:57] guess the other one to try is puppy linux [00:57] i mean, i just wanna be able to web browse [00:58] or slax [00:58] cause it has some technology called "woof" XD [00:58] DSL [00:58] damn small linux? [00:58] lol [00:58] isn't dsl dead? [00:58] I believe dsl is debian based [00:58] well, i mean, i still want it to support most hardware out there [00:59] arch is pretty good, and can be really light. [00:59] Action: ut has heard of tiny core, but doesn't know what it is [00:59] no idea :: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ [01:00] i guess if slackware were to be vanish i would use arch :| [01:00] but i'd be complaining about it [01:00] XD [01:00] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [01:00] if you complain about your distro you are using the wrong one ;) [01:01] Action: ut is comfortable on slackware, except that he hasn't got his head around dealing with extra-distro packages [01:02] extra-distro ? [01:02] like slackbuilds.org? [01:02] stuff from source or slackbuilds [01:03] sbopkg ftw <3 [01:03] they're just bash scripts that automate the compile/make package for your [01:03] haha [01:03] yeah, the direct the apps to the correct locations and pretty much do all the work of installing stuff that wasn't make for slackware for you [01:03] made* [01:03] :) and you can customize the config options [01:03] keeping them up to date, mainly. and making the build / installation process a little smoother. [01:04] Action: ut remembers that he was going to look at sbopkg [01:04] don't look - d/l and install [01:04] you can look later [01:04] haha [01:04] XD [01:05] i don't have that yet, but then again, i've pretty much got everything i need working now [01:05] surrrrre :) [01:05] you don't have everything until you have sbopkg - then you find out what you _really_ don't have :) [01:06] does it do some sort of automated system wide update? [01:06] no - that's slackpkg for official repository stuff. sbopkg will suggest upgrades to slackbuilds.org packages [01:06] oh i gotcha [01:06] that sounds cool [01:07] and you have to be careful about system-wide updates since things like lib changes (the last lib change for the drives comes to mind) [01:07] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [01:07] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) joined ##slackware. [01:08] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:09] of course [01:09] that's why i had to kill fedora after awhile [01:09] to handle patches for the base slackware packages i use slackpkg [01:09] slackpkg + sbopkg = <3 <3 <3 [01:09] well i've got slackpkg [01:09] and i just downloaded sbopkg [01:09] and i'm trying it out [01:09] cli graphical even lol [01:09] ncurses ftw! [01:10] also yogurt ftw [01:10] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:11] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!0@* expired. [01:11] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [01:11] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:12] Cheez-Its [01:12] i <3 the white cheddar cheez-its [01:13] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [01:15] anybody checking out the primary winners? man.. there's some good upsets so far [01:15] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:17] do you guys know of a user-based client/server app that lets me play music stored on the server client-side? [01:17] playlists stored on the server would also be a nice feature [01:17] sort of like a spotify clone really, just open source [01:17] mpd ? [01:18] used along with jack I think, but not alone [01:18] what was that web app... i think it was french. [01:18] nfs mounted media makes that easy as well [01:18] if i wanted to use mpd, i would have to use icecast or something similar to stream the audio to the client, wouldnt' I? [01:19] Ampache [01:19] i do nfs mounts for that, myself [01:19] v3gard: yes, of pulse or jack or some such. it is outlined on the mpd site [01:19] Action: ut uses rsync [01:19] Action: andarius mounts his server shares via nfs to include media [01:20] Ampache? hmm.. i think ive heard of that before [01:20] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:21] corretico__ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:21] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [01:22] the reason i ask is because i ripped all my music to flac and stored on my server, and if some application provides the necessary infrastructure, i want to be able to play the music on my android phone [01:23] sort of like spotify really, except it wouldn't cost me $10 every month :) [01:23] i think you have to start with the question...what streams can android play? [01:23] and then work backwards [01:23] how does android treat you if you want to avoid google services? [01:24] i know some java, so in the worst case i would have to develop the application for android myself [01:24] wouldn't be the best alternative, but it is a possibility [01:24] sure...but what formats can it play [01:24] :P [01:25] both ogg and flac works locally, but i haven't tried any streaming as of yet [01:25] doex (~root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [01:26] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. 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[01:31] you don't want to stream flac on an anemic phone connection, anyways [01:31] wish i had a droid. oh well maybe next year. [01:31] you want a fancy schmancy on the fly transcoding system [01:31] yeah, might be a good idea to do all the decoding on the phone; depends on bandwidth [01:31] besides, I like my droid, but it's NOT the best sounding audio around. Just good enough while travelling [01:31] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.137) joined ##slackware. [01:31] shoutcast or rtsp probably ? [01:32] alisonken1noc: how would the droid work if you were google-phobic? [01:32] ut, don't get a droid :) [01:32] get an iphone [01:32] Action: ut grins [01:32] they use bing on there i think [01:33] takeshita_kenji (~takeshita@c-24-19-4-122.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:33] ut: yeah, thats basically what i'm looking for. i have all the audio stored in high quality for my system at home, and when i'm on the move i want to be able to transcode it to a lower bitrate [01:33] i've got an iphone. i'd rather have something a bit more open. on the other hand, google is scary. [01:33] s/google/skynet/ :) [01:33] not as scary as those others - at least they _try_ to be open and seem to do a reasonable job [01:34] get one of those free runners [01:34] lol [01:34] http://ampache.org/wiki/clients:amdroid [01:34] ms already states they use your data for their own purposes and willingly sell it to "partners" [01:34] hahaha [01:34] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [01:34] oh nice ut [01:34] i'm so glad i've liberated myself from ms [01:34] functionoverform: yeah, tell me about it [01:34] my dad on the other hand, just got like 100gb of beta software to test from them.. bastards lol [01:35] i have no idea what he subscribed to, but it was some 300$ subscription to become a microsoft something or other [01:35] i just can't wait til he installs 7 downstairs [01:35] he's almost done [01:35] ever since i learned how to use gnu/linux properly, i've laughed at all the poor soules that still use ms [01:35] moving all of his stuff [01:37] he was teaching powerpoint to a US army office today [01:37] i was just thinking.. man.. that's sad.. that those poor bastards can't figure out powerpoint [01:37] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:37] maybe they were programming some badass transitions [01:37] i leave for navy basic training in like 2 weeks [01:37] lol [01:37] yeah, i doubt it [01:37] i overheard what he was teaching [01:37] it was like powerpoint 101 [01:38] and he did it over webex [01:38] ugh.. so much proprietary stuff downstairs it almost hurts to look at his screen sometimes [01:38] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:38] functionoverform, remember - military training is aimed at 6th graders. holdover from pre-high school requirements [01:38] oh, i'm excited lol [01:38] its all real easy [01:39] ut: i don't think you should have a problem suffering from googlephobia :) [01:39] but i'll be an avionics tech by the end of the year [01:39] good [01:39] the reason why i kinda wanted to learn linux to begin with [01:39] you can turn off all the sync features [01:39] was because of my level of familiarity with hardware and sensors and electronics in cars and such [01:40] and i figured if i ever wanted to be able to build something, i'd need to use stuff that wasn't proprietary [01:40] that was like 3 years ago.. and i'm still pretty damn clueless [01:40] well, if you wanted linux in the military, should have gone for FC - they took over CIC techies (DS's, which I was one) and some of their sat links are using unix [01:40] but does it still work then? [01:40] JOTS I believe it was called [01:40] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon123564.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [01:41] ut, worked pretty good when I was there [01:41] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:41] ut: you are asked to create a google account the first time you turn on the phone, but you have the possibility of ignoring it [01:41] Action: ut meant android-based phones ;) [01:41] ut: you probably don't get access to android marked though [01:41] eh, everything in the military is pretty much proprietary [01:41] however, being able to have your contacts at gmail is handy [01:42] its all huge contracts where they get overcharged for everything from pens to water [01:42] alisonken1noc: indeed [01:43] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon123564.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Client Quit [01:46] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [01:49] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:49] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [01:49] Hi. [01:52] Yikes, quiet. [01:52] what's up riza [01:52] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:52] Thinking... [01:52] what're those hostmasks about? [01:53] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon123564.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [01:53] oh man.. swordfish is on [01:53] hostmasks ? [01:53] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:54] oh. hostmask cloaking. [01:54] oh, like unaffiliated/... ? [01:54] yeah, those. [01:54] probably some freenode thing [01:55] i want one :-D [01:55] It is a freenode thing. [01:55] xsamurai (~munki@75.85.164.183) joined ##slackware. [01:55] Go to #freenode and ask for a cloak. [01:55] hell yeah, where do i pick up my cookie ? [01:55] xsamurai (~munki@75.85.164.183) left irc: Client Quit [01:56] Nick change: oobe -> kidpunkx [01:56] lol dude.. watching swordfish is hilarious.. he logs into this ancient machine.. which apparently produces some insanely nice geometrical computer graphic that is his "worm" [01:56] that's what hackers do. [01:56] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:57] It was an old old oldd movie. [01:57] The plot of the movie isn't bad tho. [01:57] no, its pretty cool [01:57] its just funny, its like the fast and the furious with cars [01:57] How so? [01:57] in the first one.. the intake manifold pressure is so high the floorpan pops off [01:57] that makes absolutely no sense [01:58] like.. your engine would make a boom.. your car would stop driving.. that'd be the end of it [01:58] realistically, the hoses would pop off the intercooler way before any of that could happen [01:58] raha (~a@c-24-147-175-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:58] but yeah.. apparently bolts fly out your floorpan [01:59] Action: ut laughs soundlessly, uncontrollably [01:59] raha (~a@c-24-147-175-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:59] or when he goes backwards at like 60mph [01:59] you'd run out of gear at like.. 12mph [01:59] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:59] that kind of thing kills movies for me unless they're hilarious [01:59] Hm.. [01:59] I don't know anything about cars but that seems realistic I guess. [01:59] sitting at 7k rpm.. making a god awful noise.. hoping your shift linkage doesn't just pop out, which it usually would [01:59] I figured it would lbe possible to do all that stuff in FnF. [02:00] i mean..i used to actually street race [02:00] alot [02:00] and i've built racecars [02:00] riza, not even close :) but funny anyway [02:00] so.. it pisses me off [02:00] lol [02:00] jhw (~jhw@p57982D75.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:00] its not that hard to make things realistic [02:00] and still look cool [02:00] or be cool [02:00] D: Really? [02:00] I thought realistic stuff didn't look good. [02:00] haha [02:00] riza, depends on the "realistic" and the plot [02:01] hacker movies are the only blatantly unrealistic kind that i can tolerate. because they're not hackers. they're their own mythology. [02:01] lol.. i will admit though.. the conversations before races are so much cooler in the movie [02:01] in reality 2 guys will sit there and debate for like 45 minutes if they're going to pop hoods or not.. and then they spend the rest of the time trying to lie about how much boost they're running or whatever [02:01] its not interesting [02:01] its really boring [02:01] I just know that I can never afford the cars in FnF, sounds like htey cost millions. [02:02] let's just say "more than I care to spend on a machine that I may end up tearing or getting tickets in" [02:02] eh.. you can build a 10 second car for like 25 grand if its fairly new and you know what you're doing [02:02] but its easier to have a daily driver and a project than to just have one car [02:03] like my car.. is currently out of commission completely..from the hell i've put it through [02:03] Why would they want to do that though? Why go that fast? [02:03] have you ever gone that fast? [02:03] Nope, only on roller coaster and I hated it. [02:03] lol [02:04] well.. a fun thing to do [02:04] yarvin (~yarvin@155-197-58-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [02:04] is tell somebody to turn down the radio and floor it [02:04] roller coasters are not the same [02:04] as soon as they reach for it [02:04] they won't touch the radio [02:04] and your head feels like its 30 feet behind you [02:04] tunnel vision actually sets in, especially at night [02:04] and its pretty insanely fun [02:05] other cars going 60 look like brick walls [02:05] I don't even have a driver license... I dunno... [02:05] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:05] its also like the least safe thing you can do, short of playing russian roulette [02:05] Going that fast I'll just cry [02:05] . [02:05] hahaha [02:05] nah [02:06] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:06] why no dl? [02:06] do you just not have a need for one where you live? [02:06] well.. that's enough offtopic for several days probably actually.. lol [02:07] Nope, I'm in NY so usually everyone is encouraged to take the subways. [02:08] oh, we're not in offtopic. [02:08] Doh. [02:08] Noone is on anyway.. hope it's not a big deal. [02:08] it's fine [02:08] I'm here - but not an op :) [02:09] well, if anybody brings up a slackissue [02:09] Ya I'll shut ui. [02:09] up [02:09] of course [02:09] Action: ut will say "how about those bacon-wrapped deep-fried bacon wraps?" [02:09] my aunt from NY didn't bother getting a drivers license until she was in her 40's [02:09] wow [02:10] no need [02:10] trhodes++ [02:10] yeah, i used to live in chicago [02:10] Yup. [02:10] i had a car [02:10] but i only used it like twice a month [02:10] to come back out to the suburbs [02:10] its nice not having to drive if you don't want to [02:11] its also nice to drive as fast as you want down really secluded country roads [02:11] Well I can't afford a car at the moment.. getting a job is hard as it is. [02:11] oh i hear ya [02:11] i joined the navy lol [02:12] They won't let me in the military. :( [02:12] you're too awesome? [02:12] haha, they'll only let like 2% of people in the military [02:12] No, I'm disabled. [02:13] ah, that's no fun [02:13] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:13] I wouldn't mind though. USMC sounds like something I can do I'm sure. [02:13] really? [02:13] I'd be pretty rare in the military for the fact that I am Asian. -:D [02:13] Action: riza dances. [02:13] depends on the current billet requirements [02:13] how are you disabled? [02:14] alisonken1home, sorry, billet req? What's that? [02:14] oh trust me alisonken, they're looking for any minority right now [02:14] in any branch [02:14] riza, actually, no. philipino's are considered asian and they have a very big presence in the military [02:14] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:14] ship dates from the enlistment date are really far off [02:14] alisonken1home, US military? [02:14] in lots of cases a year [02:14] true [02:14] karuna: you need a better connection :P [02:14] riza, yes [02:14] Wow. [02:14] What about Japanese? [02:14] really alisonken? [02:15] Or CHinese? [02:15] what branch? [02:15] they have representation, but not on the level of philipino's [02:15] at least not when I was in [02:15] navy [02:15] Cool! [02:15] nice lol.. what was your job? [02:16] 5 years plumber in the seabees, 15 years combat computers on cruisers [02:16] damn, so you're fully retired then? [02:16] yep [02:16] complete with grey card [02:17] What's grey card? [02:17] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: No route to host [02:17] i've got a 5 year enlistment right now, and i ship to basic june 1st [02:17] DOD ID card that shows I'm retired [02:18] i got real lucky with my job too, i had to wait 3 days at the meps, but everything that came up was kind of insulting to a 95 asvab score [02:18] soo not fun [02:18] Active duty cards are green, reserves are pink, dependants are orange, civilian are black/grey [02:18] Ooh. [02:18] I am curious, will they let deaf people into the military? [02:19] In some countries deafs are allowed. [02:19] not possible i don't think [02:19] http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://whfrtc.ky.gov/NR/rdonlyres/FC183341-DD25-4D5A-AF44-D06196BA3F07/0/ddform2765.gif&imgrefurl=http://whfrtc.ky.gov/iddeers/teslin.htm&h=148&w=450&sz=63&tbnid=1ZiSYorznuVS7M:&tbnh=42&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddod%2Bid%2Bcard&usg=__R86EgKsrjbeRiNCO3JkyaYR5TGU=&ei=boLzS-PJNIHEtAOxiZ2lDA&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=4&ct=image&ved=0CCEQ9QEwAw <-- sample ID cards for DOD personnel [02:19] riza, no - but you can be a civilian contractor working with the military [02:19] OMG thats hufe :( [02:19] s/hufe/huge/ [02:19] that's very true [02:21] ok - my mistake, mine's a blue card - the grey card is for civilian employees [02:21] so alisonken1noc, do you still get healthcare when you're retired? [02:21] Action: riza accuses alisonken1home as a fake soldier, pointing a finger like that monkey in Futurama. [02:21] we pay an extra $400/yr for family tricare, but yes, still do [02:22] What's tricare? [02:22] Action: alisonken1noc would point riza to DOD records and laugh :) [02:22] lol [02:22] armed services health care for families [02:22] Nick change: kidpunkx -> oobe [02:22] http://jimintonic.com/archives/fg.evil.monkey.jpg [02:22] I also still have my box of pay records in the closet as well [02:23] That's fine, I believe you. [02:23] and a microfiche of my service/medical jackets [02:23] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [02:23] What's microfiche? [02:23] Sorry for asking all these questions. [02:23] :| [02:23] microfilm is a synonym [02:23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microform [02:24] basically a film negative that is a minature picture of a bunch of paper that you want to keep, but not have the bulk of standard paper [02:24] genealogists use it a lot [02:25] heroid (heroid@gnewsense.mtveurope.org) joined ##slackware. [02:25] and newspapers use a spool version of it for their previous rags [02:25] libraries love it [02:25] Ooh. [02:25] Awesome. [02:25] Coke (~coke@c-b3bee055.1212-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [02:25] masterslakk (~mastersla@adsl-99-30-144-105.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:26] I wonder how I would've fared in the military... [02:26] I might not survive the harshness. :( [02:26] depends on the branch and the duties [02:26] tsccof (~tsccof@187.5.237.254) joined ##slackware. [02:27] Hm.. [02:27] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [02:27] I read about 11b (I think that's infantry) in the USMC. [02:27] Seemed glorious yet extremely dangerous. [02:27] Quickest way to get promoted. [02:27] yeah that's infantry [02:27] and wounded/killed as well [02:28] Ah well.. [02:28] my buddy's heavy infantry for the marines [02:28] carries around rocket launchers and such [02:28] Heavy infantry?! I t hought all infantries were light until you got to ride tanks or do artillery. [02:28] Ooh nvm completely forgot about that. [02:28] haha yeah [02:28] I wonder if tank is glorious and do-able. [02:29] I'm too soft, I get thirsty easily. ;_; [02:29] none of its that glorious [02:29] riza, obviously, you haven't thought about those 3" cannon shells :) [02:29] its just alot of hard work [02:29] or those 5" cannon shells [02:29] For all the goods the military have done, they get an awful lot of hate. [02:29] well.. their purposes are always political [02:29] because the media focus on the gory parts, not the glory parts [02:30] functionoverform, I know all about politics. But it's not the same.. [02:30] that's what drives the machine though [02:30] alisonken1home, I always enjoy this kind of pictures, which is why I want to join - http://www.lulzbrigade.com/sites/default/files/061201-china2.jpg [02:30] functionoverform, perhaps but.. as a former polsci student I disagree that politics / military drive this system. [02:30] for example, not much reporting on the USS Gridley (CG21) when the earthquake hit San Francisco around the early 90's - she provided fresh water and power for a good portion of the san francisco area [02:31] teamwork - yep [02:31] inter-service working together [02:31] alisonken1home, yeah! The same can be said about Sichuan Earthquake when PLA soldiers provided aid for the poor and the needy. [02:31] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:31] The news barely reported that if ever. [02:31] well [02:31] that's because they're politically questionable [02:32] one story focused on a carrier that went somewhere to help after a natural disaster, but it was spun as a negative rather than a positive [02:32] like they're gonna enact martial law or something? [02:32] lol [02:32] something like that :) [02:32] Martial law gets enacted all the time. [02:32] Not a big deal. [02:32] not here [02:33] here we just have the patriot act [02:33] Where is here? [02:33] the US [02:33] chicago area [02:33] what they forgot is a man-o-war is completely self contained, including medical and utility services [02:33] They enacted martial law when Katrina happened. [02:33] I live in US too. [02:33] well.. there was no city left to enact it really [02:33] it was like.. get the hell out of here.. now. [02:33] that was pretty much its function [02:34] Still a martial law. :) [02:34] They did the same when the other disaster struck as well. [02:34] They sent soldiers to check one house at a time. [02:34] and they probably saved some people's lives [02:34] There were a few controversy when US soldiers were found to be stealing from homes instead of doing what they were supposed to do - check for people. [02:34] unfortunately, people being people, a lot of them will try to do things that they think they can get away with rather than help the situation [02:34] No doubt! I always do my best to overlook the few bad apples. [02:35] of course, that always happens though [02:35] Yep. [02:35] the thing is, when they get caught and they're enlisted [02:35] Happens everywhere whether it's USMC or PLAMC. [02:35] its a world of consequence [02:35] People are people. [02:36] I always enjoy the branch rivalry too, I read a lot of that! [02:36] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:36] haha, there's alot of mutual respect out there though [02:36] reminds me of the full metal jacket intro [02:37] one of the best scenes ever [02:37] yeah it is [02:37] hilarious lol [02:37] i just watched that, actually while i was waiting to pick a job at the meps [02:38] like a little over a month ago [02:38] functionoverform, what job did you pick? [02:38] av, which is an aircraft tech, meaning at A school they'll decide whethere i'll be an electrician or avionics tech.. but i'm gunning for avionics because its more interesting [02:39] A school is job training school, comes after basic [02:39] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:40] Did you ever think about becoming ap ilot? [02:40] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:40] in the long run i wanna switch over to cryptology so i can go to language school and learn another language, but i wanted to get shipped fast, and the job i picked was my second choice [02:40] to be a pilot you have to become an officer first [02:40] 5 years is a long time... [02:40] well you can try to switch jobs after 2 [02:40] Oh you don't have a college degree? [02:41] no, i went to vocational school [02:41] so i get a minor pay grade bump for that [02:41] Ooh. [02:41] actually i know a bunch of people with college degrees that still aren't going the officer route [02:41] How come? [02:41] Seems strnage. [02:41] its alot of internal politics [02:41] the other great scene of that movie was the helicopter gunner [02:42] not always - even if I had a bachelor's when I was in I would rather be a techie than a manager [02:42] hahaha great? when he's shooting randoms that are picking rice? [02:42] exactly alisonken [02:42] i've been a supervisor and assistant manager before [02:42] its really not that enjoyable [02:42] "anybody who runs is a VC, anybody who runs is a well disciplined VC" [02:42] s/runs/stands still/2 [02:42] hahaha, a good line, but its still pretty disturbing [02:42] my favorite vietnam movie is apocalypse now though [02:43] Hm but aren't there politics in enlisted as well? [02:43] yes - but not as bad [02:43] well.. you're more of a team [02:43] You have to deal with NCO as well as hardcore hazing. [02:43] then of course there is the "how can you kill woman and children?" ... "easy, just don't lead em so much" [02:43] plus, you can settle your politics out back or in a smoker when you're enlisted [02:43] there's still a heirarchy, but its less separated than an officer [02:43] yes, it was disturbing but still a greate scene [02:44] no - still separated, but less worries [02:44] not any more. old school military tactics are gone. the military is little more than a joke these days. enlisted or officer [02:44] as an enlisted, you have your job and know it. as an officer, your job can change between breakfast and lunch [02:44] andarius, hm? [02:44] Old school military tactics? [02:44] The only thing I know that they tossed out are beachhead taking training in the USMC. [02:44] taking someone out back is frowned upon now [02:45] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [02:45] alisonken1home, hm how so? [02:45] What's "taking someone out back"? [02:45] fist fight [02:45] it is frowned upon by political correctness [02:45] and EO [02:45] EO? [02:45] "extra physical training" [02:45] and all the other similar crap that has destroyed the services [02:45] well yeah, and officers tend to be in it for status and career, enlisted are in it to lend a hand [02:45] or "Super High Intensity Training" [02:45] Equal Oprotunity [02:46] Is that an actual term alisonken1home? [02:46] Sorry if I'm tabbing the wrong name alison. [02:46] haha, the acronym is [02:46] it was to us :) Make an acronym of the first letters [02:47] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:47] another descriptive is "cleaning the heads" - but only the supervisor and trainee involved [02:47] i mean.. realistically.. if you suck, or you don't fit in with your particular team, you try to get reassigned or end up doing the shit work [02:48] or you get reassigned depending on what you did [02:48] Are there a lot of people who are racist or just bigoted? [02:48] TriniTuX (clayton@cuscon123564.tstt.net.tt) left ##slackware. [02:48] I mean I just hate the general unprofessional attitude I see in movies displayed by enlisted servicemembers. [02:48] of course, but in the service you're gonna have diversity [02:48] we had a trainee in the ds shop on my first boat - he was reassigned because of something he did that really torqued not only the enlisted but the officers as well [02:48] I don't mind diversity but I've been a victim so it's scary. [02:48] Nick change: xchg_brum -> xchg [02:49] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: time for some rest, though I am likely to get none [02:49] riza, racist and bigots are not tolerated in the military - you find out fast that the guy you're racist against may be the one that saves your ass [02:49] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-215.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:49] alisonken1home, thank goodness, I'm afraid of it. [02:49] tsccof (~tsccof@187.5.237.254) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:49] Same with sexual harassment and the others. [02:49] alisonken1noc: enlistment is so over the goals right now, they'll give you the boot for just about anything [02:49] it still happens, but watch out if it does [02:49] its real hard to get in, but real easy to get out right now [02:49] yep [02:49] just gotta be a dumbass [02:50] and you don't want to get kicked out - it follows you the rest of your life [02:50] of course [02:50] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:50] "dishonorably discharged" [02:50] never a good thing [02:50] "other than honorable conditions" [02:50] dishonorable discharge is typcially reserved for really bad crap rather than just being a dumbass [02:50] Is that okay? "other than honorable conditions" [02:50] i mean i don't worry about these things because i've had lots of jobs and been around lots of fraud, scams, etc.. separated myself from all of it [02:50] riza, it depends, but generally no [02:51] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [02:51] I generally go into a job and just try my best to ignore the politics and/or drama but what I'm mostly afraid of is being dragged into it or people bringing it to me. [02:51] That's what I'm deathly afraid of. [02:51] no reason to be afraid of it [02:51] its always gonna be there [02:51] "other than honorable condition - for the good of the service" is about the best of hobsons choice on that one [02:51] :( [02:52] shutdown -h 0 [02:52] you just gotta learn when not to be anywhere near it [02:52] Action: riza is so afraid. [02:52] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:52] haha [02:52] Coke, window fail? :) [02:52] No! Why are you shutting down my computer!? [02:52] topic fail [02:52] its true [02:52] Why is the topic fail? [02:52] we're waiting for something on topic [02:52] there hasn't been a legit slackware question in like an hour and a half [02:53] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [02:53] That's because of the stupid slack maintainers [02:53] They should have put more bugs in [02:53] heh [02:53] haha [02:53] lol [02:53] Now it just works and everybody using it are happy [02:53] So it's not a bug, it's a feature. :) [02:53] no - it's a bug. software is supposed to blue-screen you so you have something to do [02:54] I've put my big rack server (w slack) in production now and replaced the Debian box [02:54] mine's been in place for almost a year [02:54] Okay, I have a good topic. [02:54] on topic? [02:54] awh shit.. time to make my usb stick [02:54] There was a review in a magazine, it was between Red Hat and Windows 2000 server edition and the author complained that Red Hat did not give him enough time for coffee breaks. [02:54] Where do you see Slackware's position is in regard to cloud computing? Rather, where do you see Linux going when it comes to cloud computing? [02:55] huh? he must have done something wrong then [02:55] I think cloud computing is a buzzword [02:55] riza, look at google [02:55] alisonken1home, lol Aw. I was just looking to a discussion. :) [02:55] that's the closest to cloud computing that's not a buzzword [02:55] juan--d-_-b (Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left ##slackware. [02:55] Cloud computer isn't a buzzword. D: [02:56] cloud computing == avionics [02:56] :P [02:56] X) [02:56] lol [02:56] trf FTW [02:56] Ok, then explain what cloud computing means in a max 10 word sentence [02:56] trhodes FTW rather (tab fail) [02:56] Let me try. [02:56] software as a service [02:56] someone else's servers [02:56] Cc is computing to share resources. [02:56] haha [02:56] That's 6 words. :D [02:56] trhodes: that's just the license agreement [02:57] We already share resources [02:57] tsccof (~tsccof@187.5.237.254) joined ##slackware. [02:57] its computing to eventually lose every semblance of privacy you have now [02:57] None of what "cloud computing" "offers" is new or special. [02:57] But not the level cc does it though. Maximizing server by using virtualization for example is not cc. [02:57] I already rent software, I just call it "remote application" [02:57] agreed, though, it's a buzzword IMO [02:57] yeah [02:57] Coke, but... that's relying on server, one node. [02:57] its a marketing term [02:57] And I already use distributed computing over our multiple server sites [02:57] riza: nope [02:57] a fancy name for client/server architecture [02:58] Bah, my relatives that work in big companies like Google, Microsoft, etc use those words. [02:58] My postgresql is mirrored from source to two locations [02:58] well those words get corporate folks excited [02:58] My point is, only Google and Microsoft have to use those words [02:58] "distributed remote applications" is way more specific than "cloud" [02:58] Bah. [02:58] it means your shit, will become their shit, and you'll rent it from them [02:58] For all real engineers and nerds it's called "daily f'ing life" [02:58] lol [02:58] Well that's true but.. the general term applies for everyday use still. [02:59] "Distributed computing" = any unix mainframe since 1970's [02:59] agreed [02:59] its all just binary eh??? [02:59] :3 [02:59] same ol' [02:59] fhobia, exactly. :> [02:59] i still don't think people are all gonna migrate to chromeos and not store anything locally again [02:59] I'd say the ONLY way to have true cloud computing is with some unix variant. [02:59] Coke, "any unix computer service since the70's" - not just mainframes [02:59] HP running their services on Linux. As are IBM. [02:59] alisonken1noc: true [02:59] alisonken1noc: but back then nobody could afford a "workstation" unix box [03:00] (you also needed to expand your house if you wanted a home computer) [03:00] IBM provides linux images on their AIX unix rather [03:00] just a touch :) not to mention the a/c and power [03:00] alisonken1noc: really? because they made a big fuzz about them going Linux [03:00] what happened to linux the kid ? [03:00] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:00] Coke, go back and check - their zSeries is still AIX - providing virtualization at the hardware level for linux images [03:01] :D [03:01] alisonken1noc: im not talking about their servers, but the services [03:01] yep [03:01] so am I [03:01] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) left irc: Quit: velusip [03:01] ok [03:01] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:01] but their tech support also works with linux as well [03:01] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:01] alisonken1noc: hrm. barely [03:01] I've had the misfortune of having to use IBM's products for projects [03:02] Most notably websphere and DB2 [03:02] well, true :) but at least they don't hide it away in the back somewhere like some others *cough*hp*cough* [03:02] before our executives made the unfortuante purchase I had a meeting with IBM's tech guys [03:02] "You don't have any -h options for any of your CLI tools" "We know, that's... bad" [03:02] db2 is an excellent db - just takes a little getting used to. just like other db's [03:02] "You don't distribute any manual pages or searchable/indexable text, only in your paperback format" "We know, it's bad...." [03:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-425183.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [03:03] alisonken1noc: it sucks ass [03:03] it's CLI tool and GUI tools look like MySQL crap did in the late 90's [03:03] I was like "Is this what we get for our $10,000 ???" [03:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-425183.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:03] Just curious. [03:03] Are those of you with college degrees compsci? [03:03] Or math? [03:03] The CLI tool has no useful features, you might as well run a telnet session with SQL [03:03] Coke, your renting the reliability, not the eye candy [03:04] alisonken1noc: im not talking about eye candy [03:04] I'm a CLI guy [03:04] riza, just AA in general ed [03:04] I expect: tab completion, complete manual pages, full option help on prompt [03:04] alisonken1home, alright. [03:04] Coke, eye candy as in "anything that's not programmed" [03:04] DB2's SQL implementation is yesterdecades version [03:04] alisonken1home, Associate's Degree is most cost effective, so gj. :) [03:04] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:04] riza, it's the most I could get with my GI bill :) [03:05] alisonken1noc: I can tell you a fun story about it though [03:05] tsccof (~tsccof@187.5.237.254) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:05] Our executives bought IBM crap for massive amounts of cash [03:05] alisonken1home, why couldn't you get more? I thought they paid in the entirety! [03:05] when did you get out? [03:05] functionoverform, he is an old man. :3 [03:05] riza, depends on what you're going for - as an enlisted, I only rated GI bill from the late 70's [03:05] now i'll get like.. 4k a year for online courses when i'm in.. and then when i get out its like up to 70k [03:06] Oh. [03:06] or 78k or something like that [03:06] but some special cases get like up to 140 i think [03:06] if you're in officer training, yes [03:06] enlisted is different [03:06] alisonken1noc: then we were supposed to become IBM businnes partners [03:06] So IBM wanted to come over and help us with our websphere and DB2 installations [03:07] Coke, how far did they get? [03:07] alisonken1noc: to my department (software development) [03:07] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:07] so i'm trying to install unetbootin [03:07] "So where are the IBM servers?" [03:07] which is a tool for making bootable usb sticks [03:07] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [03:07] and i get this error [03:07] "Well, actually sir, we use HP because they had a better offer" [03:07] how did the business world ever get that way? [03:07] "Hmm, Ok, but yeah, they can still run Websphere and DB2" [03:07] "Yeah" [03:07] "So where do you run them?" [03:08] "Hmmm. Nowhere at the moment" [03:08] heh [03:08] XD [03:08] "But you've been online for two years now" [03:08] /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0: no version information available (required by.. [03:08] executives hire techies, then ignore their input when it's time to make technical decisions like "what database server do we use?" [03:08] "Yeah, see, the programmers felt that PostgreSQL and Apache would be more appropriate" [03:08] "I see. So can we install our products now?" [03:08] "Sure, let us just get the boxes out" [03:08] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:08] lol.. salespeople always win [03:08] We scoured the entire server room for an HOUR before we finally found the shiny IBM boxes with sfotware [03:09] some developer had used them as a foot stool [03:09] haha [03:09] hah [03:09] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:09] So we installed DB2 and Websphere, afaik they still running, with 0% usage [03:09] not even enough sense to play with it [03:09] alisonken1noc: we did [03:09] and who reports these things to your decision makers [03:09] alisonken1noc: I did the setup and our IBM mirror worked 100% [03:09] functionoverform, does it matter? techies don't have input to higher management [03:10] but DB2 and Websphere are so retarded and take up so much time just to manage that it wasnt worth it [03:10] well somebody has to [03:10] you gotta get heard [03:10] functionoverform: in this case they just wanted the business partner thingie [03:10] to get IBMs logo on the site [03:10] ah, like a label [03:10] I ultimately quit the industry and became a bum because I couldn't stand stuff like that [03:10] yeah i gotcha [03:10] functionoverform, obviously, you haven't worked in a company with >20 employees and more than 4 managers :) [03:10] Urchlay, what do you do now? [03:10] actually i have [03:10] Urchlay: I'm an accountant now :) [03:10] and i called me regional director once [03:10] I wouldn't touch professional programming with pliars any mroe. [03:10] being the lowest man on the totem pole [03:10] _marc` (~marc@i577B5FBB.versanet.de) joined ##slackware. [03:10] musician (of the starving artist variety) [03:10] Wait.. [03:11] who was there within 24 hours to hear what i had to say, in person [03:11] Noone here is a professional programmer? [03:11] All the really good hackers I know have quit the industry [03:11] riza: fudge no!!! [03:11] gotta present yourself like a pro [03:11] :( [03:11] Am I doomed? [03:11] riza: no [03:11] I'm a compsci student and doing programming at the moment. [03:11] or like me, have taken noc jobs and just sit back and work on the hardwrae [03:11] hardware [03:11] and the odd subcontracting job, where I don't even talk to anyone but another tech [03:11] That is, getting the credentials and doing side work. [03:11] You can shed your hopes, dreams and desires and become a terminal zombie [03:11] i love hardware [03:11] Action: riza cries. [03:11] haha [03:12] Everybody says "oh, googles isnt like that" [03:12] Really??? What programmers in google recommended Java for Android? NOBODY! [03:12] heh [03:12] Their entire "cloud computing" thingie is Python, Ruby and Perl [03:12] haha, my dad was a programmer for a long time, for lots of companies [03:12] what google programmers recommend java, period? [03:12] he hated it [03:12] No good programmer would suggest Java for anything except perhaps a good example of a bad language [03:13] Action: riza is happy. [03:13] I do not like Java myself. [03:13] cranking out code in a cube for 15 years was enough [03:13] or the webpage bling bling that nobody really likes [03:13] functionoverform: sounds like my old job [03:13] yeah, i'd never do that [03:13] But in all seriousness, how come people don't... don't become well known after 10+ years in any industry? It baffles me. [03:13] other than Linus? [03:14] riza: programmers in the gaming industry (sub-industry?) sometimes get well known [03:14] yeah, because gaming has ridiculous margins [03:14] Urchlay, definitely. [03:14] world's a big place [03:14] big time [03:14] I just want to become well known. [03:14] and most big companies don't care about anything except they're shareholders [03:14] don't. you won't like it [03:14] their* [03:14] quite frankly, most users don't have the slightest clue what programming even is, nor do they care, so they don't care who did it... [03:14] I have uploaded some work in rhisa.com and plan to put more when I have time but it hasn't done me good. [03:15] am not even saying that's a bad thing, but that's how it is [03:15] :'( [03:15] I want to get my doctorate too. Or at least master's. [03:15] be careful you don't stay in school too long [03:15] What makes you say that? [03:15] or work while you're in school [03:15] and you'll be alright [03:15] Urchlay: the problem is this [03:15] you just don't want to be removed from reality for too long [03:16] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:16] They know absolutely DICK about SHIT when it comes to computers, yet they tell the professionals how they want it solved. [03:16] "I want Outlook" [03:16] I've known really smart people who stayed in school & never did anything in the "real world" until they were almost 30... and by then they had been too sheltered for too long (not just talking about computer people either) [03:16] No you dont, you want e-mail [03:16] jesus Coke [03:16] how do you deal with that [03:16] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:16] Hm. [03:16] And I've got way better and more efficient sollutions because I'm knowledgable. How about listening to me? Oh, I guess you're holding the cash, right, let's do what you say. [03:16] i mean, i'm no pro, i'm the first to admit it [03:16] Strange, because I've always thought the people who did their doctorate or master's were the reason computing were improving. [03:16] but there's like 100 email clients out there that do the job, let alone the web clients [03:16] functionoverform: can't be solved [03:17] For example, google brothers have their doctorate. [03:17] riza, hardware guys, yes [03:17] working while you're in school is a good idea... taking a year off to work full time is also a possibility [03:17] Every famous people out there have their doctorate or master's. [03:17] Computers make people not think and overthink at the same time. It's weird. [03:17] or good internships during school [03:17] (just don't let the "year off" stretch to 20 years like I did) [03:17] Urchlay, either or, I struggle because I'm disabled. [03:17] riza, but keep in mind, most people get their dr. and masters while they work in the field [03:17] any of those things are good for ya [03:17] alisonken1home, for master's they have to work, it's a requirement actually, for many college. [03:17] But doctorate, not sure about that.. [03:17] thesis. [03:17] Urchlay, what degree? [03:17] you gotta crank out a book [03:18] functionoverform, yeah thesis or dissertation, depends. [03:18] I meant work outside of the academic setting [03:18] Then you have to defend it in your doctorate. [03:18] Oh I misread that. I thought yo usaid you spent 20 years in college. [03:18] without life experience it'll be tough to defend your "doctorate document" whichever it is [03:18] functionoverform, true but sometimes you can, you have to do heavy research. [03:18] my mom's got a doctorate in curriculum and education [03:18] no, I said my "year off" has stretched to 20 years off :) [03:18] And research often means experience. [03:18] functionoverform, congratulations to her! [03:19] yeah, her dissertation almost killed her lol [03:19] is OK, I never really was comfortable in a classroom [03:19] functionoverform, I can imagine. [03:19] Urchlay, hm yeah conforming is a problem in any environment. [03:19] and she was already an assistant superintendent when she was writing it [03:19] is quassel IRC not included in slackware 13.0 VD? [03:19] I can understand it in a military setting but not in academic. [03:19] *DVD [03:19] njathan, nope. [03:19] she had redone the entire curriculum for a couple of areas in the middle school [03:19] vincen (~chatzilla@222.70.17.84) joined ##slackware. [03:19] and her dissertation was some seriously tough stuff [03:20] that life experience is absolutely necessary for any advanced degree to carry any weight when you're looking for a job [03:20] interviews are pretty damn important [03:20] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:20] Yup.. [03:21] Thus research. :D [03:21] Research = experience. [03:21] bleah. What do you do if you suck at interviewing? [03:21] Urchlay, I dunno.. [03:21] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:21] die broke and alone? [03:21] work on it [03:21] lol [03:21] Thank God I'm Asian though.. [03:21] lol i guess [03:21] I mean I have hazel eyes... but if I told you that in an interview, you'd assume I was lying [03:21] Because in my country, they don't care if you are bad at socializing, if you can get the job done, they hire you. It's a culture thing. [03:21] Thurin1 (~amunra@modemcable213.189-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [03:21] doesn't matter who you are, if you can't sell yourself to those management retards that we've been discussing [03:21] you can't do much [03:22] yah. That's one reason I said, hell with it [03:22] You all should definitely come to my country. [03:22] Action: riza cheers. [03:22] We could use more talented people. [03:22] haha, you've got more people [03:22] than you can possibly ever need [03:22] over in china [03:22] lol :) [03:22] I'm Taiwanese. [03:22] It's just very difficult. [03:23] its difficult everywhere [03:23] Well. [03:23] I have relatives who worked in both the States and China, they said CHina is more competitive than US. [03:23] Spent a week in Taiwan - nice place to visit [03:23] alisonken1home, indeedy. :D [03:23] yeah.. its got 3+ times the population [03:24] people all over asia work for almost nothing, pretty much endless hours [03:24] Population is one thing, so it gets more competitive. [03:24] AS well as tons of talented people. [03:24] Nick change: xchg -> xchg_afk [03:24] that also hurts ya [03:24] Well.. I wouldn't call it nothing. [03:24] compared to here [03:24] It's capitalism, so.. if you can do better than the next and for cheap.. you drive down price and there you go, the entire country. [03:24] Living standard is high as hell here. ;_; [03:24] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.226) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:24] in taiwan maybe [03:24] I can buy/rent a nice safe place to live in China in a gated community. [03:25] Taiwan and China are very similar. [03:25] revel0 (~revel0@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [03:25] they still work for cheap [03:25] True but living standard is cheep too. :D [03:25] heh, I used to live in a "gated community" here (US), it didn't even have a crime problem until they added the gate [03:25] A pack of gum is like 5 cents, here? 75c for Wrigley's. [03:25] ;_; [03:25] we don't ship our jobs over there, incurring massive shipping costs and packaging necessities because we have to pay the chinese a whole lot to make something [03:25] Urchlay, depends, culture is a big thing. [03:25] functionoverform, bah, blame your companies. :) Not us. [03:25] oh, of course [03:26] our rent went up by $100 when it became gated, and my friend's car got broken into twice in the next 6 months [03:26] i'm not complaining at all [03:26] Action: riza dances. [03:26] Urchlay, that's strange, ever since putting up gated communities, we drove down crime. [03:26] Actually. [03:26] This is a good topic. [03:26] How come what works for US doesn't work for China and vice versa? [03:26] really? [03:26] Yep. [03:26] well, the gate is like an advertisement to criminals: "There is something here worth stealing!" [03:26] the culture [03:26] I know Urchlay is telling the truth. [03:26] riza, people and cultural differences [03:26] But I also know real life seems different. [03:26] Ya. [03:26] Interesting. [03:26] i mean, i've broken into just about anything [03:26] lol [03:26] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:26] when i was younger [03:27] functionoverform, you'd get beat up by your parents. xD [03:27] I know I learned to fear my dad. [03:27] He was military. [03:27] my parents never had any idea [03:27] haha, i got decent grades, worked, my parents don't ask alot of questions because i stay out of trouble [03:27] Dad: "Get here risa. Your mom will now spank the @)#*! out of you." Mom: "*gets into a Bruce Lee pose*" [03:27] ;_; [03:27] haha, my dad used to beat the hell out of me when i was little [03:27] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:28] Or.. or.. the typical: "What?! A C in a class?! risa, no more, NO MORE!" [03:28] that ended badly for him when i was 15 [03:28] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:28] How come? D: Social service? [03:28] haha [03:28] haha [03:28] "Dad! Are you ok?!" [03:28] Action: riza dances. [03:29] everybody gets that from the parents though [03:29] Some go over. [03:29] My best friend is seeing a shrink because of it. [03:29] Asian = child abuse is normal. [03:29] But... [03:29] eh, my dad just saw the bottom of the stairs too fast once [03:29] If anything it has taught us all humility. [03:29] haha [03:29] riza, for me it was "You got a C? Ok, you passed, but why can't you be more like your sister in getting A's?" [03:29] alisonken1home, lol ;_; [03:30] That's so cute. [03:30] depending on how you define it, "child abuse" has been normal in most every country, throughout most of history [03:30] yeah [03:30] same with beating your wife [03:30] alisonken1noc: girls get better grades in school [03:30] which is so fucked up [03:30] functionoverform, yep.. sad but I hope it improves. [03:30] yet don't have as successful careers as guys anyway [03:30] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [03:30] until the child hits back one day [03:30] Goes to show how useless schooling is. [03:30] It's because women are goodie two shoes and men are just scrappy workers [03:30] that's what happened to me [03:30] Coke, psh, men suck. [03:30] riza: hm [03:30] Action: riza shoos away, shoos. [03:30] i came up on the southside of chicago [03:31] fear isn't an option [03:31] then you're a target [03:31] Coke, not always, but in my case I was too busy reading the S.F. paperback in my class book to study :? [03:31] you just gotta stand up for yourself [03:31] functionoverform, normally I'd go "NEW YAWKKK" but it's 3:29AM and I don't want to make any noise. [03:31] lol [03:31] haha [03:31] yeah, still, there's rough spots all over, i'm sure china has some real rough ones [03:31] Actually to be honest I am waiting to register for math classes for Sept semester. All the math classes I need are taken too quickly. :( [03:32] well, eh, when your kid's 3 and does something you don't want him to do, it's hard to sit him down and rationally explain why he shouldn't do it... a (not very hard) smack is something he'll understand instinctively (works for all animals, not just bald monkeys that talk too much) [03:32] functionoverform, you all should come to China, my dad can be our tour guide. [03:32] yeah, i'm sure [03:32] Urchlay, LOL! Bald monkeys?! [03:32] well OK, I'm actually pretty hairy for a human, but compared to a gorilla I'm practically bald :) [03:32] Urchlay, I can understand but beating up your kids, literally, is bad. That's child abuse. Spanking or smacking is fine, but using fist to pound the living being out of em', no.. too far. [03:32] yup, agreed [03:33] no, not fists, not beating the crap out of them [03:33] Which is what Asian parents do. [03:33] lol [03:33] well yeah [03:33] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:33] riza: it depends [03:33] but in this country anyway, a light swat is considered child abuse by the powers-that-be [03:33] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4oO7ZdfSFI [03:33] <:) Russell speaks the truth. [03:33] psh, they can go fuck themselves [03:33] a smack is more psychological than physical [03:33] right [03:33] its like.. hey..wake up. don't do that [03:34] riza: the connection between lack of empathy and animal cruelty in teenage years is a pretty certain sign you'll be a total misfit in society and very likely a murderer [03:34] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.40.137) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:34] a full force punch on the other hand [03:34] Coke, o.o can you rephrase that? [03:34] yeah, no, I wasn't advocating punching the kids in the face [03:34] lol.. always a bad idea [03:34] LOL!! [03:35] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.87.86) joined ##slackware. [03:35] riza: right. kids who torture animals, in particular mammals, for fun in their teens are sick [03:35] riza: i mean, like, sick beyond repair [03:35] yes they are [03:35] I sitll laugh at the clip. "It saids, you got a F in schoo." [03:35] like i used to hang out with this dude bill [03:35] Coke, how come though? Abuse from parents? [03:35] riza: no [03:35] riza: many come from good households [03:35] he'd do awful things to animals [03:35] and are intelligent [03:35] ended up killing his stepdad [03:35] Coke: the only kid I knew who tortured animals, actually did murder someone when he was 21 or so, is in prison now AFAIK [03:35] Coke, really? I don't understand the connection though. [03:35] i remember some animal torturers myself [03:36] :'( [03:36] in other words.. stay the fuck away from anybody that tortures living things for fun [03:36] riza: those kids grow up to become serial killers, murderers and psychopaths [03:36] indeed, they're incarcerated [03:36] i love how this is #slackware and we have been talking about beating the shit out kids [03:36] No, regarding the beating of kids [03:36] I actually think you should beat those kids [03:36] haha [03:36] And not just to teach them a lesson, but to actually KILL THEM [03:36] haha, just take em out [03:36] Coke, wait, so beating up your kids is good?! [03:36] like alright.. back to the drawing board [03:36] this one's not gonna work out [03:36] #child-hitters? [03:36] riza: under certain conditions [03:36] I dunno this guy's story, whether he was abused as a kid or not (not that being abused as a kid is any kind of justification for being a murderer as an adult) [03:37] he's six.. still eating boogers, not getting along with the other kid [03:37] Coke, please explain. :( I'm afraid of hitting my kids. [03:37] haha, don't hit em hard [03:37] haha [03:37] Action: riza brandishes the whip. [03:37] haha [03:37] riza: do your kids enjoy animal/human torture? [03:37] whip...cream? [03:37] ##smackware [03:37] Coke, lol I don't.. have kids yet but I'm still afraid. [03:37] hahahahahaha [03:37] hahaha [03:37] nice @trhodes [03:38] don't use a whip on your kids, it's cruel, plus they'll probably grow up to become bondage/S&M freaks [03:38] yeah dude [03:38] fallertsen (~Franz@host26-141-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:38] We had a case of three teens setting animals on fire, they each got fined. [03:38] .... [03:38] Just fined?! [03:38] well yeah [03:38] The government was missing the bigger picture; these three will be a menace to society in due time [03:38] that's how we do everything [03:38] we fine people [03:38] or just let em off altogether [03:38] riza: yes, I live in northern europe, criminals here are treated as "victims" [03:38] for dangerous shit [03:38] but if you smoke pot [03:38] "victims of society" [03:38] or blow coke [03:38] omfg [03:38] you're going to jail [03:38] functionoverform: yeah [03:38] same here [03:39] Pot smokers = worse than rapists and murderers here [03:39] :( [03:39] if you blow coke, it just goes all over the place... better to snort it [03:39] lol [03:39] the kids I went to school with who set animals (cats iirc) on fire made headline news [03:39] Tax evation and drugs is the worst crimes you can commit against Sweden. [03:39] So Europe is very liberal. [03:39] haha [03:39] drugs are so harmless lol [03:39] if you're not a dumbass [03:39] riza: yeah, the rest of europe is liberal (in the original sense) [03:39] :'( [03:39] That's scary. [03:39] yep, sweden is crazy about tax evasion [03:39] well they're socialist [03:39] I lean towards conservatism. [03:39] functionoverform: yeah, I'd like it all to be legal. However, I wouldn't do or recommend meth [03:39] of course they're crazy about tax evasion [03:39] What's up with tax evasion? How do they punish you? [03:39] does your definition of "dumbass" include "anyone stupid enough to try heroin even after learning about what it does to people"? [03:40] yeah, i've never touched heroin or meth [03:40] riza: they lock you up, take away all your assets and then throw away the key :) [03:40] they don't even look like fun when other people are doing them lol [03:40] o.o [03:40] They seriously keep you in jail forever?! [03:40] Urchlay: I've got a few friends who tried heroin [03:40] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:40] Urchlay: they are not stupid so they only did it once or twice to get what it's about [03:41] riza: not forever. [03:41] riza: but... [03:41] i've had heroin-like drugs [03:41] How long? [03:41] in the hospital [03:41] I've watched people become junkies and come close to dying of it, wouldn't say heroin's harmless... though I guess by itself it's harmless (it just sits there in a bag & does nothing until someone injects it...) [03:41] like delauded and oxy [03:41] My friend's mom got murdered, the purp got 4.5 years in prison, out after 3 on good behavior [03:41] they're awful [03:41] i mean, they put you into a euphoric state, but its not like you wanna go out and have fun [03:41] The pirate bay got sentenced to 4.5 years and 30 mil fine for "aiding copyright infringenment" [03:41] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:41] Some bankers got 12(!!!) years for avoiding taxes [03:42] hahaha [03:42] Confusing. [03:42] well dude, when taxes run your society, you've gotta hold people accountable [03:42] also, heroin addicts tend to use other drugs to maximise bang for the buck... which causes even more problems [03:42] So, if you fuck the government on their taxes -OR- mess with the lobyists that have bought all the politicians and judges you are screwed [03:42] oh, fuck heroin [03:42] What is the best place to live in then? We all have the same/similar mentality then about living conditions and standards. [03:42] and meth [03:42] exit [03:42] mouse fail :) [03:42] well there's no best place to live [03:42] just a best place for YOU to live [03:42] i'd like to try belgium [03:42] :) [03:42] i hear its boring [03:43] Hm. [03:43] Sweden sucks ass [03:43] the best place to live is where you can live. some people it's midwest quiet towns, others it'd downtown hustle and bustle [03:43] don't move here [03:43] does it though coke? [03:43] I want to live in um.. not sure. I just wish I had more money to afford living in NYC more. That is, I want to move from Bk to Manhattan. [03:43] functionoverform: it absolutely fucking does [03:43] i dunno dude [03:43] Highest taxes in the world in any democratic nation [03:43] Do we get the best government service? NO! [03:43] it depends on what you take for granted [03:43] haha, that's true [03:43] functionoverform: freedom [03:43] i like the idea of france [03:43] functionoverform: I want freedom of speech, we dont have that [03:43] really?! [03:44] no freedom of speech? [03:44] I want a constitution that protect citizens from the police, we dont have that [03:44] like at all? [03:44] what, you can get locked up or whatever, just for saying words? [03:44] No [03:44] functionoverform: no [03:44] Either you have freedom of speech or you don't [03:44] and you don't? [03:44] We have a clause that clearly states that if you harm anything or anyone (in particular the government) you're not allowed to say/print it [03:44] functionoverform: no, we don't [03:44] hahahaha [03:44] We also have nothing like the miranda rights [03:45] really [03:45] No constitution [03:45] What's Miranda Rights? [03:45] what about your neighboring countries [03:45] functionoverform: really! [03:45] functionoverform: finland and norway [03:45] riza: kidding ? [03:45] yeah [03:45] how are they? [03:45] i mean, i'd probably go to sweden, to check it out [03:45] As an example, TeliaSonera was a merger between swedish telia and finnish sonera. Right. So the finnish dudes said "we cant allow our customers to run on servers in sweden" [03:45] i dunno where i'd wanna live [03:45] ariarat (~root@94.182.26.99) joined ##slackware. [03:45] trhodes, nope. What is that? D: [03:45] This is because swedish law allows for eavesdropping without a warrant from the judges [03:45] riza: [03:46] riza: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_warning [03:46] pastefail :( [03:46] livebrain (~jorge@bl15-38-31.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [03:46] So Finland is like "uh, we don't want soviet-Sweden spying on our users" [03:46] Wow.. I.. someone drew a really nice portrait of me. [03:46] o.o It's beautiful. [03:46] how can words harm the government though? [03:46] So, to recap: sweden has no constitutional rights, no miranda rights, no freedom of speech and all private information is available legally to the government. [03:46] they have all the guns [03:46] Urchlay, erm not that, it can damage politician's career. [03:46] no youre both wrong [03:46] "you have the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law, you have a right to an attorney, if you can't afford one, one will be provided by the gov't" [03:46] Let me give you an example [03:47] if it's the truth, too bad for the politician [03:47] those are the miranda rights [03:47] A nationalistic site republished the mohammed charicature [03:47] Oooh. [03:47] The government pulled down the site after a few hours [03:47] THank you trhodes. [03:47] screw that government then [03:47] riza: you're welcom [03:47] *welcome [03:47] functionoverform: in sweden you dont have the right to an attorney [03:47] you dont have the right to anything [03:47] you have the right to not fuck up? [03:47] lol [03:47] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-215.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:48] i mean, i'm saying though [03:48] In the case VS The Pirate Bay, 3 of the 5 judges were members of copyright-promoting organisations, but the appeal was denied because 3 more judges (also members of the same copyright-group) said "there was no bias detected" [03:48] would it be beneficial for you to go to finland or norway [03:48] functionoverform: it would, I'm looking to escape [03:48] Luckily it's not illegal to move away from sweden. [03:48] well dude, the only country that openly violates copyright law, that i know of [03:48] is brazil [03:48] functionoverform: i love brazil [03:49] because of an aids drug patent issue, they wanted it to be affordable [03:49] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-091-096-101-072.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [03:49] so they approved unlicensed production of it [03:49] ip law is b/s anyways [03:49] we all use linux lol [03:49] haha [03:49] Hm question. [03:49] I have this.. this design. [03:49] I want to make it, plastic. [03:49] so...besides oregonstate which mirror is usually the next best? :P [03:49] because we all know better, that with the freedom of information, comes the advancement of everyone [03:49] Does anyone here know how I can get started? [03:50] making stuff out of plastic? [03:50] Yeah.. [03:50] lactic acid [03:50] Action: fhobia double checks if he is in the right room [03:50] that's where you start [03:50] lol [03:50] Well. [03:50] hey guys, seriously [03:50] anybody know why unetbootin won't install [03:50] hm. You can buy lumps of plastic plus the equipment to do injection molding, but I think it's pretty expensive [03:50] mac- (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:51] functionoverform: why do you want it ? [03:51] unetbootin? doesn't that kinda not even support slackware? [03:51] (or does it now?) [03:51] i'm making a usb stick [03:51] Urchlay: there's an unetbootin [03:51] or trying to at least [03:51] functionoverform: yeah, check out alienBOB's stuff [03:51] fallertsen (~Franz@host26-141-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:51] will do Coke, is there a slackbuild for it? [03:51] functionoverform: I used it for my boxes since I dont have any CD/DVD [03:51] functionoverform: with iso's ? [03:51] functionoverform: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:usbboot [03:51] mac- (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [03:52] grub2 boots iso's (but sure is complicated) [03:52] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:52] ok, apparently unetbootin doesn't explicitly support slackware, but it can be used anyway if you know what you're doing [03:52] I actually like grub over lilo [03:52] i'm trying to create one, not necessarily a slackware one [03:52] but since I'm basically just booting slack anyway LILO will suffice [03:53] but i figured unetbootin made it simple for multiple distros [03:53] since I started on debian, i've pretty much stuck with legacy grub [03:53] functionoverform: it's quite easy [03:53] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:53] Action: riza cries. [03:53] I'm so afraid. Brb. [03:53] o_o [03:53] 08:44 < livebrain> hi ppl, i have 2 monitors connected to the same carg [03:53] 08:44 < livebrain> one vga and another hdmi [03:53] 08:44 < livebrain> but i only want to use one [03:53] Channel flood from livebrain -- kicking [03:53] 08:44 < livebrain> but when i start X [03:53] 08:44 < livebrain> they both get image [03:53] livebrain kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [03:53] livebrain (~jorge@bl15-38-31.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [03:54] livebrain: you can possibly use xrandr to control it [03:54] livebrain: you can't paste more than 4 lines in here [03:54] if you have >4 lines to paste, www.pastebin.ca and paste the URL here instead [03:54] Back. [03:54] >< I'm so afraid, I think I'm ugly. >< [03:54] ok Urchlay , sorry [03:55] and, eh, the answer to your question is "depends on what make/model of video card it is, and on what driver you're using" [03:55] which is completely useless, I know :( [03:55] you want to connect two monitors and only use one ?! [03:55] Coke: i wanted to run 2 separate xservers for each monitor [03:55] oh [03:55] yay, easynews seems to be a up to date mirror <3 [03:55] Actually do you guys know how to mirror websites? [03:56] livebrain: that's possible too [03:56] livebrain: so just don't start the second X server [03:56] yeah, use rsync, riza [03:56] I want to mirror wikileaks but I need their dbdump. [03:56] To complement my lulzbrigade.com site. [03:56] i have to have 2 serverlayout in xorg.conf ? [03:56] Nick change: riza -> rizabawt [03:56] most folks don't even have a xorg.conf anymore [03:56] you can use xrandr to turn off stuff [03:56] you can do that, or have 2 separate xorg.conf files [03:57] i was trying to configure the first monitor, the vga [03:57] xrandr --output -off perhaps ? [03:57] but first, you have to find out whether your hardware's capable of displaying 2 different images on the 2 different outputs [03:57] but both get image [03:57] morning guys o/ [03:57] hey phrag [03:57] o/ [03:57] they get the same image [03:58] yes, and I'm saying, that might be all that the hardware is able to do, or it might not be. You should find out which, before you worry about config files or anything like that [03:58] xrandr -q does that, no ? [03:58] (or should) [03:59] oop, he wants 2 x servers [03:59] (to display 2 separate images, it basically has to have two of everything a video card has, make sense?) [03:59] i used to have a tv-out config long time ago, and the second monitor only gets image if i config xorg.conf [03:59] this card has a vgi and hdmi i though it would be the same [04:00] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [04:00] Has anyone here ever done copyright?... [04:00] © [04:00] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:01] XD [04:01] I mean in real life. [04:01] lol [04:01] Nvm. [04:01] Channel flood from rizabawt -- kicking [04:01] I'm going to ask legalzoom. [04:01] rizabawt kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [04:01] rizabawt (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [04:01] ;_; [04:01] XD [04:01] phrag (~phrag@217.10.145.3) left irc: Changing host [04:01] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [04:01] phrag (phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [04:01] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [04:01] ##slackware: mode change '+o phrag' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [04:01] lol [04:02] copyright on the slackware channel [04:02] well isn't the slackware logo copyrighted by PV? [04:02] (or is that a trademark?) [04:02] logos are trademarks, yeah [04:02] i really liked that weird palindrome upside down version :( [04:02] Topic changed on ##slackware by phrag!phrag@about/slackware/phrag: Guidelines: http://is.gd/bYfOG | Public Channel Logs: http://is.gd/bYfRK | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | http://gallery.slackadelic.com | Torrent: http://is.gd/bYfM0 | Security: irssi, fetchmail, pidgin | Slackware 13.1 RC1 Released! [04:03] ambigram [04:03] yeah, i see the alienbob page [04:03] its how to make slackware bootable [04:03] but that's not exactly my goal [04:03] i was gonna go with something more lightweight [04:03] or, just different to try stuff out [04:03] a suggestion for whoever decides what the /topic is going to be: [04:04] put the "news" part first [04:04] but it'd be cool if i could get unetbootin working on here [04:04] functionoverform: you can replace the kernel and the initrd [04:04] functionoverform: I did make my own, but instead of lighter I made it complete [04:04] A complete bootable slacksystem on a 8G USB [04:04] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:05] ambigram [04:05] that's sweet [04:05] livebrain (~jorge@bl15-38-31.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:05] I want to redesign the slackware page. ;_; [04:05] pfff its awesome the way it is! [04:05] o_O [04:06] lol, go for it rizabawt [04:06] its still simple [04:06] functionoverform, nah they wouldn't let me. [04:06] Action: rizabawt prays. [04:06] he's going to add flash with spinning monkeys and stuff [04:06] hahaha [04:06] Please God, let me have this math class. Let me have this math class. I'll be good, I promise. [04:06] just as what its for. [04:06] check out the gpl [04:06] are you signing up for classes right now? [04:06] fhobia, nah, check out my page. rhisa.com and lulzbrigade.com, I standardize everything. [04:06] :) rizabawt [04:07] the slackware site is a historical legend [04:07] functionoverform, yep, we register our class online (I attend CUNY) but all of the math classes I need are often full. [04:07] cant go changing it! [04:07] phrag, we're at RC2 already. [04:07] Be it introduction to algebra to calculus level 3. [04:07] It [04:07] wha! whoops =P [04:07] It's always full full full. :( Look: (** 0014 **) T,TH 3:00 - 5:10 PM [04:08] I'm so nervous, only 14 spots left. Oh God please let me have it. >< [04:08] rizaaƒ“ [04:08] Yes'm? :D [04:08] XD [04:08] 4 more hours. Please.. please.. don't register this class people. [04:08] i'm good up to trig [04:08] Action: fhobia registers [04:08] Action: rizabawt cries. [04:09] Action: fhobia plans to drop the class 2 weeks in [04:09] Topic changed on ##slackware by phrag!phrag@about/slackware/phrag: Guidelines: http://is.gd/bYfOG | Public Channel Logs: http://is.gd/bYfRK | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | http://gallery.slackadelic.com | Torrent: http://is.gd/bYfM0 | Security: irssi, fetchmail, pidgin | Slackware 13.1 RC2 Released! [04:09] functionoverform, I want to do theoretical studies. I want to be a scientist if possible. [04:09] wtf i just started upgrading to RC1 [04:09] calc was too much work to spend on abstract math [04:09] bastards! [04:09] well go for it dude [04:09] ha, slipped past me too =P [04:09] i just want a roof and some food [04:09] i've always wanted to do materials research [04:09] functionoverform, calculus can be... fun... [04:10] hm. Possible dumb question: is there a good reason not to use the osuosl.org mirror with slackplg? It's not present in the shipped /etc/slackpkg/mirrors for the slackpkg in -current right now... [04:10] Urchlay: i think its the same as the oregonstate.edu one ? [04:10] rizabawt: you want a small sallary to better mankind only to be attacked by religious zealots? [04:10] sounds like fun [04:10] ah, probably so [04:10] Urchlay: its perfectly fine though...thats the one i was using...but it timed out a bunch tonight...so i'm using easynews anyway [04:10] Coke, I'm... well.. I'm a Muslim myself.. so.. [04:10] They won't attack me. :)0 [04:10] rizabawt: sure they will [04:10] Psh, bring it on. I have Gawd on my side. [04:11] Action: rizabawt prays. [04:11] lol allah ftw? [04:11] Urchlay: they say "We would prefer that only primary/secondary mirrors use this service." [04:11] rizabawt: even though you share the same cognitive disabilities as your other fellow muslims, they won't be happy with you doing your "science stuff" [04:11] very true [04:11] yeh, lets take the religious discussion elsewhere, thanks =) [04:11] trhodes: ok, that's a reason [04:11] gogie (paulnamua@unaffiliated/gogie) left ##slackware. [04:11] Coke, o.o... [04:11] anybody wanna take on making a slackbuild of unetbootin? lol [04:11] Urchlay, osuosl is the primary mirror, tier 1. you should be using the mirrors that mirror from it. (but I use it all the time cause it's fast :D) [04:11] functionoverform: why don't you help me with my massive live system? ;) [04:12] functionoverform, I can. [04:12] hahaha massive live system eh? [04:12] i ship to basic training for the navy in 2 weeks [04:12] I use it all the time when grabbing individual packages or checking the changelog [04:12] functionoverform: yeah, I want some sweet scripts that copies a running system frmo disk to USB [04:12] i'll be pretty unreachable until the end of the year [04:12] i just started using it, because the security updates were all like "have you tried ..?" XD [04:12] Urchlay, I rsync from it. [04:12] functionoverform: and then you can take that USB and reinstall that system on any other box [04:12] that'd be awesome Coke [04:13] functionoverform: sub? [04:13] I'm going to read, so.. if you guys need me for anything I'll idle here. :) [04:13] functionoverform: I know. [04:13] SiegeX! I'm a big fan. [04:13] only reason I want to use it with slackpkg now is my regular mirror in /etc/slackpkg hasn't updated today's stuff yet [04:13] i'll be on a carrier most likely [04:13] i'll be working on the airplanes [04:13] rizabawt: of what? [04:13] functionoverform: but it's not real easy with all the advanced stuff available on a modern dist [04:13] SiegeX, you wrote ipkungfu, which I used years ago. I loved it. [04:13] oh i'm sure its not [04:14] Action: Urchlay tries to guess what software called "ipkungfu" might be for (don't tell me, it's more fun if it's a mystery) [04:14] I wish to ask PV how I can mirror the Slackware torrents. This is something I cna do. [04:14] rizabawt: ahh, actually trappist was the originator of ipkungfu, I just gave him alot of help after I stumbled on it [04:14] just start bittorrent on the address [04:14] thats all you have to do to help [04:15] SiegeX, aye, I rarely ever see trappist anywhere. Which is a shame, it was such a great program. I used it everywhere. It worked really well. [04:15] Ooh! [04:15] http://www.slackware.com/getslack/mirroring_guidelines.txt [04:15] http://www.slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php [04:15] That's not a mirror guide! At least not a good one. Hm. [04:16] I gotta talk to my host. [04:16] ^ how to help torrent-wise [04:16] ya, i havn't talked to him in ages. glad to see people are still using it though, especially since it's been stale for a few years now [04:17] although not like iptables has changed much since then [04:17] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:17] blah, I gave up & looked it up [04:17] SiegeX, to be honest I moved on from ipkungfu but it's still vivid in my memory. It taught me lots. Now I just write rc.firewall. [04:18] Erm that is, my own iptables script or just.. well, by hand. [04:18] better name than my old rudimentary fw script called "shields" (mostly because the one user I had who wasn't me, was a star trek fan, and loved the idea of being able to type "shields up") [04:18] lol [04:18] Haha, that's so cute. [04:18] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [04:18] should have known better than to ask that guy "what should I call it?" [04:18] rizabawt: I think that's great. that's what I do.. www.aetherstorm.com/rc.firewall [04:19] but couldn't think of anything right then... [04:19] SiegeX, 404. [04:19] hmm [04:19] oh right, i took down apache [04:19] sec [04:19] Ooh. [04:19] k, refresh [04:20] #iptables purists will balk at a bash script and rather insist you use iptables-save/iptables-restore but I rather hate that format [04:20] i'm really starting to hate this shit.. because everything i find says "how to install slackware using unetbootin" not.. how to install unetbootin on slackware.. oh the irony [04:20] Me too, I don't like using iptables-save/-restore, was never convinced to do that. [04:20] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:20] I always liked iptables-save [04:20] but then I pretty much never edited the file in that format [04:21] functionoverform: i think there's a link to a download etc [04:21] I'd just tweak the rules "live", then resave them [04:21] functionoverform: you can just download unetbootin from upstream [04:21] functionoverform: maybe this will help? http://stoa.usp.br/oda/weblog/63591.html [04:22] I think unetbootin's just distributed as a binary... download it, chmod +x, chown root.root, mv to /usr/local/bin [04:22] ##slackware: mode change '-o phrag' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [04:22] Really? [04:22] I'm pretty sure it comes with sources somewhere [04:22] If any type of software is any good at all there will emerge a free version of it sooner or later [04:22] Does anyone here program? D: [04:23] rizabawt: all the time [04:23] i'm confused Coke [04:23] i downloaded unetbootin [04:23] i just can't install it on slackware [04:23] i want to use that to make usb stick(s) [04:23] probably the sources are available (I haven't looked), but the howto on the web site tells you to d/l the binary [04:23] functionoverform: it installs the same on all systems, just different locations perhaps [04:23] i have the binary [04:23] Coke, what language if I may ask? I am trying to figure out if I should learn a second programming language (I only know rudimentary C at the moment) when I haven't even mastered this one y et. [04:24] well mine gives me an error [04:24] just downloaded using the giant download button, it's a 32-bit static elf binary [04:24] what error? [04:24] gogie (~paulnamua@unaffiliated/gogie) joined ##slackware. [04:24] /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0: no version information available [04:24] rizabawt: I prefer C and Python, but I do a lot of C++, Perl, Ruby, Scheme. [04:25] (required by ./unetbootin-linux-442) [04:25] functionoverform: are you on a 32-bit system? [04:25] yes [04:25] rizabawt: grab "Expect C programming" if you want to get your head around C [04:25] hm, can you run "file" on the binary? it should say: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (GNU/Linux), statically linked, stripped [04:25] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:25] Thank you. [04:25] statically linked is supposed to mean that it includes all the library code it needs [04:25] I just wanted to learn a language I can use in real world. C is good, I wondered about Lisp. [04:25] it basically answers all the little questions that you've always wondered but no books ever told you [04:25] rizabawt: dont do lisp. [04:25] Urchlay [04:25] ...on C [04:25] yes it does [04:25] say that [04:25] (but maybe it's being evil and using dlopen(), which makes it only static in name...) [04:26] rizabawt: do you want to be efficient or eligable for work? [04:26] Coke, Common Lisp has to be really powerful based on what I read [04:26] . [04:26] I would say once you have a strong foundation in C, then move on to an OOP language [04:26] because out in the "real world" it's mostly about Java and .NET [04:26] and PHP, ASP [04:26] Coke, both if pososible. [04:26] if i only understood what that means Urchlay [04:26] I know PHP. [04:26] rizabawt: cant be done [04:26] rizabawt: "The C Programming Language, Revised Edition" by Kernighan & Ritchie (make sure it's the revised, because the original one's way outdated) [04:26] a good scripting language is also nice to know [04:26] But I don't count it as a language. Urchlay, yeah I have my bible. :D [04:26] rizabawt: the industry use the most retarded languages available [04:26] the 2nd ed is also outdated [04:27] The ones with least power, flexibility and usability [04:27] get "C: A reference Manual" that is up to C99 [04:27] there's a 3rd ed of K&R? [04:27] but both K&R and C:ARM are both very terse books [04:27] I can't get anymore C books, I am taking classes so I need to concentrate though. But other than that I need a second language for well, that. [04:27] fuck i gotta go pt with the navy in like 4 hours lol [04:27] rizabawt: Java and anything with .NET will get you jobs [04:27] Noo.. no .net or Java. :( [04:27] rizabawt: My favourites are C and Python, like I said [04:27] I should post my Java learning attempt. I have it in my old blog. [04:27] Basically, I'd challenge anyone to make better software using any other languages. [04:27] I.. I made fun of Python people once. ;_; [04:28] eh, I guarantee you, if you learn ANSI/ISO C89 from K&R, you won't have any problems picking up the C99 extensions when/if you decide you need them [04:28] lots of ads for Perl jobs too [04:28] http://www.rhisa.com/node/379 Last year's post. Making fun of Python. :) [04:28] functionoverform: they dont make up 5% of the available jobs tho [04:29] Morn [04:29] i'm sure. [04:29] Morning Zordrak. [04:29] actually, if you can find it (think it's out of print), "Deep C Secrets" is damn good (also kinda dated, but worth reading) [04:29] but anyways.. yeah.. so still no ideas as to what to do about that message i posted : /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0:no version information available? [04:29] Urchlay: thats the same book as I recommended [04:29] ah, right [04:29] Urchlay: C is outdated,so it doesnt matter :) [04:29] I don't want to learn another C-based language to be honest. [04:29] I had forgot the real title of the damn thing [04:29] Coke, C isn't outdated, it's still used everywhere! [04:29] the orange one with the big blue fish [04:29] yeah, the fish! [04:30] rizabawt: it can still be outdated [04:30] I have it right next to me as a matter of fact [04:30] Especially peripheral and embed development. [04:30] Oil-based fuels are outdated, still used everywhere [04:30] Bah, then by that definition Unix and its variants are all outdated then and Windows is up-to-date. >:| [04:30] Religion is outdated. ;) [04:30] jesus [04:30] everythings outdated [04:30] rizabawt: yeah POSIX is [04:30] eh, the Linux kernel's in C, and I wouldn't call it outdated (well, maybe in the sense that the releases age rapidly) [04:30] rizabawt: seriously though, 'Expert C Programming: Deep C secrets" if you want to get your head wrapped around all the nuances of C [04:30] yeah [04:30] Outdated != bad [04:30] you guys are hung up on this C situation i see [04:31] rizabawt: make sure you've worked your way through K&R before starting on the other [04:31] Urchlay, yep, I have plans for that but I'm in a C class with University of Michigan atm (some online class, can't remember which college haha). [04:31] C is used out of legacy, not because it's modern. [04:31] (or particularly good) [04:31] SiegeX, will keep that on my book list. :) [04:31] C++! [04:32] ftw [04:32] ARGH! [04:32] Noooo! [04:32] i'm kidding [04:32] C's a perfectly good portable assembly syntax :) [04:32] i have no idea [04:32] It's C with a good portion of insanity [04:32] C is a systems level language when you want to get very close to the hardware [04:32] and performance is an issue, such as in the embedded world [04:32] SiegeX: C++ is actually the most popular langauge these days on embedded systems [04:32] Don't ask me why, I absolutely loath it [04:33] betcha embedded C++ doesn't include much (or any) of the STL [04:33] There are just some logic I have trouble getting. For example, stupidly easy programs for experts is hard for me. Producing a square with stars and making it hollow requires two loop but I've seen people do it with one loop. How about producing triangles or even more complex shapes, it's very mind boggling people do it efficiently. Me? I dunno where to start with very complex shapes. [04:33] Appearantly, _some people_ are under the impression that you cannot implement advanced idioms in C. [04:33] Urchlay: it does [04:33] SiegeX, this one right? http://www.amazon.com/Expert-Programming-Peter-van-Linden/dp/0131774298 [04:33] i'm about to just install fedora on the other partition of this computer [04:33] functionoverform: noooo! even worse than C++! [04:33] that'll enable me to use unetbootin [04:34] rizabawt: yep. but that is not a book on algo's and data structures though [04:34] i'll be like i'm hungry for some unetbootin [04:34] yum unetbootin [04:34] oh, there it is! [04:34] I'd have thought the STL is too damn big for embedded use (but my idea of "embedded" is probably also outdated) [04:34] SiegeX, that is fine, I have algorithm & data structure classes so I'll just wait for that to come along. [04:35] I just want to become a scientist. <:) Have my work be read by millions. [04:35] But I'm just an idiot rambling when I said I needed to brb so brb! [04:35] jesus [04:35] so much C [04:35] mohammed [04:35] yes, becoming jesus would also get your work read by millions [04:35] agreed [04:35] er, oh, that's not what you meant [04:36] Urchlay, any other ideas regarding my issue? [04:36] yeah [04:36] Urchlay: embedded to day can have as much as 32G space and 600mhz CPU [04:36] Urchlay: for smaller stuff you still use assembler (PIC's and what not) [04:36] or 1ghz CPU [04:36] if you're bleeding edge current! [04:36] yeah, they can be even better today true [04:36] actually by 2011 that'll probably be standard [04:36] functionoverform: you're on slackware64? install fred's or alienbob's -compat32 package for libpng (which is going to require lots of other -compat32 packages) [04:36] ARM has a 1.2 ghz up and coming now, right? [04:37] i'm on 32bit [04:37] oh [04:37] eh, hm [04:37] we actually use quite a bit of LabVIEW at my work for embedded systems. FPGA <--> Real Time OS [04:37] SiegeX: have you tried linux realtime? [04:38] Thurin1 (~amunra@modemcable213.189-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [04:38] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:38] well, you could grab the source + slackbuild for libpng, remove the lines that strip the .so, and build/install your own version... but that's probably not a great idea (for one thing, it'll probably gripe about 10 or 15 more shared libs) [04:38] the group i work in has not, but i work closely with another group that has a few Redhawk servers [04:38] SiegeX: oh, you run your realtime systems on big hw? [04:38] Azalyn (~junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:39] or, you could try emailing the authors, ask "why does your static binary require libpng shared libs?", I bet they'd consider it a bug [04:39] I've only tried realtime systems on small, yet complete cicuit board machines [04:39] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:39] thumbs (1000@modemcable250.220-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:39] functionoverform: try getting the sources instead [04:39] the sources? [04:39] of what? [04:39] lol [04:39] Urchlay: it does seem odd that they'd build it using shared [04:39] like compiling unetbootin myself? [04:39] functionoverform: unetbootin [04:39] yeah [04:40] that way it will use whatever libs you have installed [04:40] i'll give it a shot.. not that i really know what i'm doing [04:40] hoepfully api compatibility is true [04:40] but we'll see [04:40] eh, the source link is buried on the front page of the site [04:41] if you do compile it & get it to work, you might want to do up a proper slackbuild for it, and contribute to slackbuilds.org [04:41] ariarat (root@94.182.26.99) left ##slackware. [04:42] That would rock. [04:42] hahaha [04:42] man, you guys really don't know who you're talking to [04:42] eh, slackbuilds are pretty easy [04:42] coke: for my group 'big hardware' would be an embedded controller with ~1-2GB mem and a P4 CPU in a PXI chassis. for the other group they have a rack off a few redhawk servers and windows boxes to do some missile fligh simulations using ScramNET reflective memory cards [04:42] s/off/of [04:42] yeeesh, missiles [04:42] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:42] SiegeX: they are using winblows? [04:42] for the UI [04:43] afaik [04:43] SiegeX: how come? [04:43] Ah, nvm [04:43] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:43] I just have an immediate suspicion that people are idiots as soon as they mention that they have any Microsoft at all in their environment [04:43] :) [04:43] The UI is way nicer, more configurable and stable in X anyway [04:43] LabVIEW based UI that polls the reflective memory for display purposes [04:43] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [04:44] alright, i'm gonna delve into compiling it from source [04:44] so we shall see if it works [04:44] eww labview [04:44] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:44] labview is the shit when it comes to their FPGA module [04:45] its used herle [04:45] OTOH, you damn near never meet musicians of any level (pro, amateur, etc) who even attempt to use Linux for making music... using ProTools doesn't make them idiots (it makes them either broke or else pirates, but, eh...) [04:45] Urchlay: uhhhhhmm [04:45] also, it makes multicore programming trivial. but i wouldnt use it as a general purpose language as I know some do [04:45] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:45] Urchlay: Linux offers the best audio tools available today [04:45] WOW [04:45] i have no idea what i'm doing right now [04:45] so i got the source [04:45] Urchlay: I do at least 1 hour of studio recordings every day in my livingroom [04:45] and i untarred it [04:46] and now there's like 20 files that i don't know what to do with [04:46] the first is .cpp [04:46] guys, how do I select the mic that I want to use? [04:46] Urchlay: the ONLY obstacle is the audio hardware drivers, but bouth focusrite and m-audio have drivers avaialble [04:46] which looks remotely familiar [04:46] functionoverform: wtf? [04:46] exactly [04:46] Kaapa: depends on what application it is [04:46] Coke: I said "damn near never", not literally never :) [04:46] Action: Urchlay is a reasonably satisfied Ardour user [04:46] Urchlay: right. because my setup kicks the living shit out of both mac and MS [04:46] Coke: well, skype for instance [04:47] Kaapa: check your skype manuals [04:47] zux1wrk (1000@80.81.42.2) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:47] i mean.. i successfully compiled something once [04:47] but it had one file that i had to go "gcc file" [04:47] that was real tough [04:47] I wouldn't say my setup "kicks the shit" out of anything, but only because I'm too poor to get nice hardware [04:47] Coke: on settings we can select cam, but don't see how to select mic [04:48] Kaapa: yeah, that's a Skype question [04:48] using cheapo USB 1.1 Alesis interface on a 4+ year old AMD64 box... but the software's solid anyway [04:48] Urchlay: yeah, that doesnt sound that exciting [04:48] I have a few things from focusrite and m-audio, they work well enough [04:49] add the nice software like jackd and youre set [04:49] *shrug*, the computer I already had, ditto the guitar and bass... the software was free, and the interface was 80 bucks [04:49] Urchlay: I can recommend M-Audio's small Delta-series [04:49] (right now, my current state of finances, $80 is a good chunk of change) [04:49] interesting [04:49] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [04:50] for about $100 you can get the 1010LT [04:50] 6 analog in/out and 2 digital in/out [04:50] so there's unetbootin.cpp [04:50] but i can't compile it? [04:50] i tried gcc and g++ [04:50] Urchlay: the ice1712 drivers work flawlessly with m-audio's cards [04:50] both of them were like, hey, wtf is this file? [04:50] Urchlay: and envy24control gives you settings for the card in a nice UI [04:50] error every 5 lines [04:51] which leads me to believe i'm using the wrong compilers [04:51] Urchlay: it's the cheapest way to get clock-latched in/out 4+ channels [04:51] bah - of course skype allows to select the mic [04:52] I use archlinux but run ardour2 from source so every 4 weeks or so I have to rebuild all my source packages [04:52] the error list is as long as my arm [04:52] what I have is good enough for what I do... I'm not trying to make pro studio quality recording, just demos of (fake) drums + bass + guitar, to hand to the rest of the band [04:52] I'd like to have a dedicated studio/recording box, but i have no more room in my living room since there's like 3 ukuleles, 2 guitars, 1 bass, one piano, one drumset and like a dozen flutes [04:53] had to throw out the tv [04:53] functionoverform: how about reading the README that comes with the source? [04:53] haha [04:53] functionoverform: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/unetbootin/wixi/compile [04:53] functionoverform: stop whining and go look it up [04:53] when/if we have enough material to take into a studio, I'd rather spend the money to hire a good engineer than try to build my own pro setup & learn to use it [04:54] Urchlay: not me [04:54] Urchlay: let's say we both spend $800, you have finite time with the engineer, once I've setup my stuff I have infite time with it [04:54] (I know just enough about sound engineering to know that I'm not that great at it, and it'd take a long time to learn) [04:54] yeah, I know [04:54] I suck at mixing and all that [04:54] but I have to spend a couple of years learning how to use it [04:55] I record all the channels so they sound OK in monitor at least, then I ship over the raw tracks to a buddy of mine who mixes them on his Mac [04:55] ah [04:55] incidentally, he also use ardour and such things [04:55] ardour's good stuff [04:55] Have you tried that new DAW? [04:55] revel0 (~revel0@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:55] what's it called? [04:55] thumbs (1000@modemcable250.220-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [04:56] hmm. dunno at the moment, but it supposedly talks directly to ALSA [04:56] Azalyn (~junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [04:56] hm. Runs realtime, doesn't use jackd? [04:56] http://traverso-daw.org/linux.html [04:56] Urchlay: yeah, appearantly, never tried it yet [04:57] it definately has a more intuitive interface, but I wonder if it has all the features that ardour does [04:58] so should i be building a statically linked version or a dynamically linked version? [04:58] alienBOB: around? Want a quick word about slackware official kernel patch policy [04:58] hm, according to the gentoo ebuild for it, traverso can use jack, but it's optional [04:58] functionoverform: dynamic [04:58] thanks [04:58] functionoverform: since you're building on your own box you can do it dynamic [04:58] static would only really be useful if you were trying to compile a version that'd run on pretty much any linux distro (plus, we already know the static build is broken!) [04:58] revel0_ (~revel0@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [04:59] well, not broken as in "won't run" probably, but it's not really static (it depends on the system's shared libraries, just like a dynamic binary does) [05:00] Coke: traverso looks interesting [05:00] yeah.. this wiki is telling me how to do this [05:00] and its suggesting that i use commands that my computer doesn't recognize [05:00] Urchlay: it does. Im gonna have to test it one of these days [05:00] lupdate-qt4 and lrelease-qt4 [05:01] functionoverform: that's part of the Qt SDK [05:01] it claims to have better keyboard support than ardour (which wouldn't be hard to do I guess, ardour seems to be mostly mouse) [05:02] which i'm assuming i will need to acquire now [05:02] iceheart (~xj@221.235.188.72) joined ##slackware. [05:02] this is getting fun already [05:02] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:02] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:208:21a:80ff:fee1:9f75) joined ##slackware. [05:03] and sometimes ardour's UI makes me want to pull my hair out [05:03] Urchlay: indeed [05:03] it took an ardour *developer* about 20 minutes to figure out how to get ardour to mix & export only the first 60 seconds of my project to a wav file [05:04] Urchlay: uh?? [05:04] (yes, I know I could have exported the whole mess, then used sox or whatever to trim it) [05:04] The UI is not made by designers, its made by hackers [05:04] well, im off to lunch. if you do try traverso, make sure to post a review! :) [05:04] hackers and designers don't have to be mutually exclusive sets... [05:04] (sadly they don't intersect much) [05:05] alright, so i need the sdk, and from what i understand qt4 is the basis for kde? [05:05] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:05] more-er-less, yah [05:06] ehm, what sdk? [05:06] functionoverform: Qt is a toolkit and application development framework that KDE has chosen as their base, yep [05:06] Coke (~coke@c-b3bee055.1212-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [05:06] oh, the qt4 one? it's included in slackware's qt4 package [05:06] gogie1 (~paulnamua@122.52.153.173) joined ##slackware. [05:06] so wouldn't it be in slackware already? [05:06] it would be [05:06] or i need the sdk for those commands to work.. [05:07] so can i pick that up straight from qt.nokia.com [05:07] or do i need a slackbuild for that as well? [05:07] eh, wait [05:07] I betcha by "sdk" they just mean the headers (which will already be present on slackware) [05:07] lol, that's what pops up when i google qt4 sdk [05:07] gogie (~paulnamua@unaffiliated/gogie) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [05:08] man oh man [05:08] other distributions (not slackware) split up library packages into "whatever" and "whatever-devel" packages, the -devel packages aren't normally installed by default, so you'd have to install qt4-devel if you were on something like debian [05:08] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:09] in slackware, there aren't separate -devel packages (a library package includes all the stuff you need to compile apps using that library, not just run them) [05:09] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:208:21a:80ff:fee1:9f75) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:09] so i'm trying to follow the wiki regarding the compiling of unetbootin, and its asking me for commands that Coke says are part of the sdk, which i'm assuming is software developer's kit since i'm trying to use lupdate-qt4 and lrelease-qt4 [05:10] so Urchlay, you say they're already in here [05:10] somewhere [05:10] eh, I've no idea what those are, but slackware does have a "lupdate" command that's part of qt4 [05:10] also lrelease [05:11] holy shit that worked [05:11] thank you sir [05:11] this wiki just phrases the command slightly differently [05:11] your help is much appreciated [05:11] I'm betting they're called lupdate-qt4 and lrelease-qt4 on debian/redhat/etc because those OSes still have qt3 packages, so there might need to also be a lupdate-qt3 [05:11] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:12] I've been bit by that before with "qmake" on a system that had both qt3 and qt4 installed [05:14] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.16) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:14] mranderson_ (~mranderso@adsl-99-141-206-127.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [05:14] mranderson_ (~mranderso@adsl-99-141-206-127.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:14] livebrain (~root@bl15-38-31.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:15] i have 2 working X on 2 separete monitors [05:15] now i want to be able to use 2 mice [05:15] 2 pointers [05:15] one pointer per monitor [05:15] functionoverform: those directions are very specific to *some* linux distro, but they don't say which [05:15] http://pastebin.com/y6EW0Ggb [05:16] thats my xorg.conf [05:16] i have mouse1 and mouse2 [05:16] but that gives me 1 pointer [05:16] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:16] and 2 working mice [05:16] and i want 2 pointers and 2 mice [05:16] livebrain: find out which /dev/input/mouse* device goes with which physical mouse, set up each server's xorg.conf to use that device [05:16] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [05:16] i've done that [05:17] under inputdevice [05:17] if you have only one on-screen pointer that moves between the 2 displays, then you aren't running 2 separate X servers (you're running 1 server with 2 screens) [05:17] adamk (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:17] adamk (~user@h-67-102-187-37.phlapafg.static.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [05:17] that makes sense [05:18] functionoverform (~mranderso@adsl-99-141-206-127.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:18] in fact, if you've only got one xorg.conf and you're just running "startx", that only starts one server [05:18] functionoverform (~functiono@adsl-99-141-206-127.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [05:18] hello [05:18] so my computer killed itself during the make process [05:18] my other one that is [05:19] the easiest way to do 2 completely separate X servers would be with 2 config files, and make a copy of the startx script (call it startx2 maybe), and modify the copy to invoke the X server with the other config file [05:19] then you can "startx" to get only 1 server, "startx2" to get the other, or run both to get both [05:19] functionoverform: the one that was doing the compiling? that's kinda of a bad sign [05:19] yeah [05:20] its an old laptop [05:20] with 512mb ram [05:20] cooling problems most likely [05:20] the problem is that both monitors get the same image when i type startx [05:20] gogie1 (~paulnamua@122.52.153.173) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:20] not exactly ideal for running kde4 and compiling things with 2 web browsers open with tons of tabs [05:20] is there any way to force one monitor only ? [05:20] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:20] and then on the second xorg.conf force the other one [05:20] ? [05:20] I took mine apart 2-3 weeks ago, the vents were clogged with this crap that looked like motor oil with ground-up cockroaches in it [05:21] Urchlay: could that cause some issues on the next startup? [05:21] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [05:21] livebrain: yes... in the serverlayout, you only define one screen (and in the other conf file, put the other screen there) [05:22] functionoverform: what, crashing & rebooting? could cause problems, but usually nothing ext3 can't handle (or the automatic fsck if you use ext2) [05:23] you should be more concerned about why it crashes in the first place, and how to fix it (if you ran out of RAM, that should *not* cause the kernel to crash, it should have just killed whatever app is using the most memory) [05:23] well i mean [05:23] i know i was overworking it [05:23] and it just locked up [05:23] you weren't overworking it [05:23] i used the ignore option under the monitor section [05:23] no? [05:23] no, unless you did something like overclock the CPU [05:24] it crashes if i browse through multiple pdf files at the same time [05:24] lol [05:24] that did it. now i do the same in the xorg.conf2 for the other monitor and it should work right ? [05:24] all you did was ask it to work at its full capacity [05:24] that's true [05:24] but it is like 6 years old [05:24] and quite tired [05:24] livebrain: should, yah. I'm going by memory and guesswork here, I haven't actually used a dual display in a couple of years now :( [05:24] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [05:25] functionoverform: not "tired", probably the vents are clogged with dust/hair/smoke/etc [05:25] that could be very true [05:25] it does get pretty hot [05:25] well, clogged vents are something you can & should fix [05:25] Zordrak: there is no official kernel patch policy for Slackware [05:25] Urchlay: because with only one screen in serverlayout [05:25] i still get both monitors working [05:25] eventually it'll get so clogged that the thing can't stay running long enough to be useful [05:25] "cloned" [05:26] A release kernel rarely gets a patch - you are more or less expected to roll your own kernels [05:26] the vents don't appear to be clogged at all [05:26] livebrain: hm. Eh, you're using the ATI proprietary driver? Probably a good idea if you find & read its documentation [05:27] functionoverform: OK, I was just guessing (it's a common problem). But whatever made it crash, you want it to not happen [05:27] oh, of course i don't want it to happen, i mean the thing will run like a champ for a week [05:27] and then it'll crash at some point [05:27] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:28] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:28] normally when i'm multitasking really heavily [05:28] to me that machine would be useless as it is now [05:29] oh, its pretty much useless lol, i wanna replace it around my b/day which is conveniently when i graduate basic training [05:29] when I'm heavily multitasking, that's the time I *least* can afford it to crash [05:29] ah [05:29] so i hope the family can help me out [05:29] anyone have sample code (perl preferrably) that determines which version is bigger? version is of the form a.b.c [05:29] but i've got a homeade desktop for multitasking heavily [05:29] which is what i'm using right now [05:30] mancha: perl -wle 'print "greater" if v0.1.3 gt v0.1.2' [05:31] the expression v0.1.3 ends up as a 3-byte string containing \x00\x01\x02 [05:31] alienBOB: mmk. The reason I ask is that there's a pretty ugly XFS bug in 2.6.29.6 that causes problems when used in conjunction with NFS (a reasonably common situation) that has an available patch.. [05:31] Urch, aha, easy enough many thanks. [05:31] alienBOB: was wondering about the likelihood of getting a -4 kernel in 13.0 [05:32] although it doesn't work saying: $a = "0.1.2"; if(v$a ...) [05:32] (there's always eval "string" though) [05:32] alienBOB, I had a question about your name but never mind. [05:32] livebrain (~root@bl15-38-31.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:33] well, thanks everybody for your help tonight, its appreciated as always. i'll be talking to you guys tomorrow, when i compile that unetbootin thing, and hopefully i can make it work, and share what i did! [05:33] goodnight! [05:33] night then [05:33] functionoverform (~functiono@adsl-99-141-206-127.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:33] I suppose I should consider sleeping [05:33] Urch, you can if($a gt $b) though [05:33] Zordrak: the only kernel patch that would go into a past release would be to fix a really ugly security hole. Bugfixes will never warrant a patched official kernel [05:33] at least it works here. [05:34] yeah, I meant, if you're reading in a string from a file or user input, you need eval to use the v construct on it, it looks like [05:35] i am not using v at all [05:35] oh, well nevermind then [05:35] i compare 0.1.2 with 0.2.3 for example. [05:35] it works great...thanks [05:36] hmmm, trying to decide if there's a case where the string compare won't work [05:36] alienBOB: okeydoke [05:36] iceheart (~xj@221.235.188.72) left irc: Quit: ‚» [05:36] alienBOB: worth a shot [05:37] Sure ;-) [05:37] mancha: this should print "greater", but doesn't: perl -wle 'print "greater" if "0.10" gt "0.9"' [05:37] (at least for most projects, 0.10 is the release right after 0.9) [05:38] ok, then it is broken for my purposes [05:38] i need 0.10 to be judged gt 0.9, of course. [05:38] with v, it works [05:38] alienBOB: now to work on trying to get DRBD and LVM to fix the bug between them that causes massive corruption in 13.1-rc2 before it goes live (i am SO not holding my breath on this one) [05:39] because each dot-separated number gets turned into its ascii string representation (e.g. v65 == 'A') [05:39] I dunno what it does if one of the numbers if >= 256 [05:39] Urch, it works with the v, but not if you use strings. [05:39] yah, which is why you eval [05:40] perl -wle '$a="0.10"; $b="0.11"; print "greater" if eval "v$a" gt eval "v$b"' [05:41] change $b to "0.9" and it says "greater" [05:41] yep, this works. [05:41] if you use this in production code, make ye damn sure $a and $b aren't something the user can embed perl code in [05:41] i guess this beats what i was looking for initially: isgreater(a,b) [05:42] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:42] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:42] naive code could take x.y.z and make it into 10000x+100y+z [05:42] heh, if I were using it more than once, I'd wrap it as a sub and call it version_cmp or something [05:42] but you could in theory have minors that go beyond double-digits [05:43] sub version_cmp { return eval "v$_[0]" cmp "v$_[1]"; } [05:43] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.25.140) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:43] then version_gt, version_eq, version_lt defined in terms of version_cmp as needed [05:44] you would need one more binary decision to distinguish = and < [05:44] since the first only distinguishes > vs. <= [05:45] cmp just returns -1 for <, 0 for =, or 1 for > [05:45] aha, then that's good for me. [05:45] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.21.158) joined ##slackware. [05:46] which you could use with sort, if you needed for some reason to sort a ton of version numbers [05:46] and the same goes, wrt embedded code in the sub params. :) [05:46] oh yeah [05:46] any ways to trap that to avoid problems? [05:46] I'd probably $a =~ s/[^.\d]//g; [05:47] (substitute all characters that aren't a dot or a digit, with nothing) [05:48] adamk (~user@h-67-102-187-37.phlapafg.static.covad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:48] right, that's a good approach. [05:48] that, or turn on taint mode, and use capturing () in a regex: if($a =~ /^([.\d]+)$/) { $untainted_a = $1; } [05:49] Zordrak: don't hold your breath... drbd releases are not that often, and there will not be a kernel upgrade for 13.1 anyway [05:49] (but if you're adding code to a big project that wasn't written with taint mode in mind, you might pull all your hair out trying to make it taint-compliant) [05:49] Urch,how does that last catch things that are taint...good...taint [05:50] oh i see..thats an all or nothing [05:50] simple explanation of taint mode... anything read from an external source is tainted, and so is anything derived from it (if $a is tainted and you $b = $a . "foo", then $b is also tainted) [05:50] if a's tainted, it's toast, if not it becomes untatined_a [05:51] the sole exception: the $1, $2, etc. variables after a successful regex match on a tainted value, are untainted [05:51] alienBOB: right. Ive got the DRBD guys looking at it (after the first round of lvm and drbd finger pointing). My main concern is fixing it.. just would have been nice if it had made it into 13.1. Right now neither stock 13.0 nor 13.1 can be used for a combination of drbd, lvm, nfs & xfs.. because there's big-ass bugs in different places [05:51] except this only mathces when a is totally untainted: /^([.\d]+)$/) [05:51] Zordrak: is it just when using XFS? [05:52] (obviously if your regex is /^(.*)$/, you're throwing away any useful protection you get from tainting) [05:53] alienBOB: no.. not the drbd/lvm bug [05:53] well, it only matches when $a is exactly what it's supposed to be... $a itself never loses the taintedness (that's an attribute that's part of the variable, same as its name or type)... but $untainted_a will be an untainted copy of the contents of $a, if the regex matches [05:53] alienBOB: the bug in 13.0 is the one thats XFS+NFS (combination) specific [05:53] just happens im using all four [05:53] (man, I miss working with perl on a daily basis) [05:53] Urchlay: ++ [05:54] ow [05:54] god damn guitar hero has killed the tip of one of my fingers.. when i forget and type with it.. it hurts [05:54] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:54] guitar hero controllers I thought are soft plastic? [05:55] hard plastic [05:55] (well, smooth plastic anyway) [05:55] heh [05:55] right, not like steel wound guitar strings [05:55] press it too hard for too long and you get blistered [05:55] if guitar hero does that to your fingers, then actual guitar playing may not be for you :) [05:55] plus one of the fret buttons has a locator notch on it that starts to hurt after a while [05:56] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:56] why do you think im playing guitar hero and not competing with Dragonforce for sanes? :p [05:56] *sales [05:58] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:58] fair enough [05:58] "Hey, kid, have you ever played Heroin Hero?" [05:58] * [06:01] t0f (1000@dialup-4.238.253.91.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [06:02] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.244) joined ##slackware. [06:02] mancha: I wish it were possible to register the channel name #!/usr/bin/perl on freenode [06:02] in the new fancy KDE, where do i switch off and on the netbook feature? [06:02] is there a tool to format a fat32 partition? [06:03] mkfs.msdos [06:03] oh? [06:03] i'll have to look at it closer [06:03] mkdosfs -F32 /dev/disk [06:03] thanks! [06:03] but it defaults to making a fat16 partition IIRC, you'll have to find out how to tell it to do fat32 [06:03] eh, or someone could just tell you :) [06:04] uh-huh :) [06:04] if I'd remembered, I'd have said [06:04] Nick change: xchg_afk -> xchg [06:05] zux, system settings > Desktop > Plasma workspace [06:05] heh, or "mformat -F /dev/whatever" [06:05] (I had damn near forgot mtools existed) [06:05] sylon (~sylon@unaffiliated/sylon) joined ##slackware. [06:05] hi, where do i get mtools for slackware 13? [06:06] whoa [06:06] that was just plain weird [06:06] hahaha [06:06] slava_dp, i don't have or can't find "Plasma workspace" under the Desktop options [06:06] syslinux -s /dev/sda1 [06:06]  sh: mcopy: command not found [06:06] damn glitch in the matrix [06:06] mtools is on the slackware DVD [06:07] probably in the ap/ package series [06:07] sylon, did you do a full install of slackware? [06:07] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:07] slava_dp: i am not sure it was in august last yr maybe not [06:07] adamk (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [06:07] sylon, slackpkg install mtools [06:07] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:07] slava_dp, sorry, found it [06:08] sylon: very weird: I just remembered mtools for the first time in like 8 or 10 years, and 2 seconds later you joined and asked about it [06:09] not evidence enough to make me believe I'm psychic though [06:09] Urchlay: :/ ok i am just following a guide to make bootable usb [06:09] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [06:09] mtools is in the meta package floppy [06:09] slava_dp: arh.. looks like my slackpkg isnt set up correctly it cant find it [06:10] aww. slackpkg install floppy [06:10] thanks WildWizard, I didn't check. [06:11] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:11] bleah, mcopy being a symlink, what's a good one-liner to find out what package it lives in? (if it were a regular binary, "grep bin/mcopy /var/log/packages/*" would work on a full install) [06:11] ah it found that.. cool thx [06:11] Urchlay, slackpkg search mcopy [06:11] the weather widget just showed me outside temperature -273 C [06:11] rahaha (~a@c-24-147-175-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:12] using wetter.com [06:12] Urchaly I did a grep mcopy * in /var/log/packages and it got the manpage as a hit so I went from there [06:13] sylon (sylon@unaffiliated/sylon) left ##slackware. [06:13] and no other providers can find riga, LV :( [06:13] www.bom.gov.au ftw [06:14] Your mileage may vary though [06:14] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [06:14] CygnusX1 (~CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:14] how can i add a provider to the weather widget? [06:15] TehRabbitt-2 (~rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:15] TehRabbitt (~rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:15] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:15] adamk_ (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:15] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:15] "grep mcopy /var/log/scripts/*" works I suppose [06:15] raha (~a@c-24-147-175-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:15] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [06:16] adamk_ (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [06:16] Urchlay_ (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:16] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[06:21] hm, did PV ever see any money from the old walnut creek cd-rom sets? [06:26] anyone watch 'the big bang theory' on Monday? that nerd Sheldon recommended a linux, i think he said Centos, but I wasn't paying attention. [06:26] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:27] the only big bang theory I want to work on does NOT involve the solar system or a munitions dump ;) [06:27] slava_dp: still double-sided [06:28] t0f: slamd64 stopped development when Slackware64 was released (just like Bluewhite64 basically) [06:29] t0f, I do watch the big bang theory (recordings) [06:29] alienBOB: ok thanks. [06:29] t0f: Ubuntu. [06:29] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:29] well at least it was linux and not some freedos. [06:30] not that I have anything against it.... :) [06:30] adamk: Sheldon said ubuntu? ic [06:30] Yes. [06:33] i thought dos was so nice (in the 1980's) until i ran across sco [06:35] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:36] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:37] but if he said gentoo or slackware he'd be a bigger nerd than he is recommending ubuntu surely :) [06:37] heh [06:38] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:40] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:42] I'm still wondering why the usb installer takes so long to boot [06:42] (and using a 19-chars password is asking for typos =/ ) [06:43] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:44] adrien: /usr/doc/syslinux-$VERSION/syslinux.doc < look for '-s' [06:45] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:46] vincen (~chatzilla@222.70.17.84) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.4/20100513144105] [06:46] t0f (1000@dialup-4.238.253.91.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Quit: t0f [06:46] alphageek: heh, ok, I see ;-) [06:47] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [06:48] would there be a way to change that before booting? maybe 'huge.s -fast' (I don't think that would work) or some kind of option which doesn't involve recreating the image? [06:48] reinstalling syslinux might do it (I've never tried) [06:49] doing 'huge.s -whatever' wouldn't solve anything because 1> those would be interpreted as kernel parameters, 2> it's too late in the boot sequence anyway [06:51] slackware-current/usb-and-pxe-installers/usbimg2disk.sh < take a look at that. specifically the 4th from last line (where syslinux is installed) [06:53] what I would have liked was a way to have both fast and safe boot options available because last time I had to reboot a dozen times on the usb installer and that has been *really* painful but if a syslinux install can only have fast xor safe, that'd require some kind of multiboot menu first (which sounds doable) [06:56] simplest to just see about modifying the syslinux install to not use 'stupid & safe' mode [06:57] with luck, it'll still boot (note the caveats in the docs) [06:57] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [06:58] yeah, I saw that but hoped to combine the best of both worlds, especially since I use the same usb key to do installs and recovery on random computers (it's actually one of the best recovery systems I've found) [06:59] *nod* [07:02] I'm puttin some kind of boot menu on my todo list, unfortunately it's as low priority as could be =/ [07:04] I'm not as familiar with the innards of syslinux as I could be, but I don't think you'll get where you're trying to go [07:04] ie: the menu system allows you to select _what_ to load, not _how_ [07:06] Linux socrates 2.6.34-plato [07:06] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:07] slisir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:08] slisir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [07:09] alphageek: that's why I'm thinking of adding another layer instead [07:13] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-425183.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:15] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-426411.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:17] jhw (~jhw@p57982D75.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [07:17] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:20] jhw (~jhw@p57982D75.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:24] livebrain (~jorge@bl15-38-31.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:24] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:25] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@unaffiliated/raph0x88) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:25] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:27] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [07:27] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-mkoiywymzhmfabbp) joined ##slackware. [07:29] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-6-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:31] ppl how do i disable randr ? [07:32] ati driver conflicts with that [07:32] It does? [07:32] some options yes [07:32] like "query-monitor" [07:32] There is some incarnation of the ati-config command that will disable the xrandr extension, but I have no idea what it is. [07:32] tried that [07:32] didnt work [07:33] Well what command did you run? And exactly how didn't it work? [07:33] edited the /etc/ati/amdpcsdb [07:33] EnableRandR12=SFALSE [07:33] under the : [07:34] [AMDPCSROOT/SYSTEM/DDX] [07:34] didnt work [07:34] xrandr [07:34] stills shows info [07:34] As it should. [07:34] You're disabling xrandr1.2 not xrandr entirely. [07:35] aticonfig stills complains [07:35] yup, xrandr 1.1 has been available for quite some time [07:35] and what does aticonfig say? [07:35] Once you do that, and restart X, you should be able to control monitor position and size via amdcccle. [07:35] that randr12 is working [07:35] It actually said "randr12 is working"? [07:36] Maybe if you tell us exactly what you want to achieve, we can help you. [07:36] [AMDPCSROOT/SYSTEM/DDX] [07:36] ups [07:36] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.22.225) joined ##slackware. [07:36] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [07:36] well i want to have 2 xservers [07:36] running [07:36] on 2 diferent monitors [07:36] Yeah, good luck with that :-) [07:37] but every time i start one xserver by startx [07:37] it just clones my 1' monitor to 2' [07:37] not sure this is possible. [07:37] Are you sure you actually want to have two X servers and not just two separate screens? [07:37] so i.m looking to see if aticonfig has sime kind of monitor detection [07:37] and it as [07:37] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.46.183) left irc: Read error: No route to host [07:37] but apparentely it does no work [07:38] mancha, how's 2.6.24? [07:38] because my 2' monitor shows up as crt2 [07:38] s/24/34/ [07:38] and using that option no disable crt2 "nocrt" [07:38] doesnt do anything [07:38] so i looked for that -monitor-query [07:38] to see if that shows me a little more info [07:39] adamk: yes, 2 xserver with 2 keyboards and 2 mice [07:39] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.84.24) joined ##slackware. [07:39] Ahhh.. Well all I can say is "good luck" then :-) [07:40] From what I've seen/read, fglrx has issues with running to X servers at the same time. [07:40] opendriver radeon is better ? [07:40] The open source drivers might do better in that regard, but that's just a guess, too. [07:40] I've run two X servers with 'radeon', but both were on the same monitor. [07:40] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:41] my problem is that my first monitor gets cloned to my second one [07:41] even without telling xorg.conf to do it [07:42] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.22.225) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:42] phreak (~phreak@cpe-66-65-36-162.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:42] Well if using the normal methods to disable randr1.2 isn't working, then I'm not sure what to tell you. [07:43] Since what you want is fairly atypical, you might have more luck asking here: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 [07:43] livebrain (~jorge@bl15-38-31.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:44] livebrain (~jorge@bl15-38-31.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:46] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:47] phreak (phreak@cpe-66-65-36-162.nyc.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). 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[08:28] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [08:31] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:32] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:32] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [08:35] replay (~replay@69.26.207.251) joined ##slackware. [08:35] Kaapa (~Something@a95-93-240-222.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:35] i just built a package from a slackbuild. now i want to use installpkg to install the program - do i type "installpkg /tmp/SBo/package-x.x.x?" [08:36] where do i oint installpkg? [08:36] *point [08:36] latemus: the standard output dir is /tmp [08:36] unless you changed it [08:37] the slackbuild,s output should tell you where it put it [08:37] rw1 (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:37] i didnt. i know thats the output of the slackbuild - my question is, which file in that output do i point installpkg to? [08:37] Kaapa (~Something@a95-93-240-222.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:37] doinstall.sh? [08:37] latemus: since you appear to be using SBo i reccomend in general that you use sbopkg (http://sbopkg.org) to do all of this for you [08:37] latemus: no. [08:37] latemus, usually it is /tmp/packagename-blablabla.tgz [08:37] latemus: the txz or tgz file [08:38] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:38] okay thank you! next time i'll look into sbopkg. thanks for the help and recommedation [08:38] latemus, and read the SBo howto on the website :) [08:38] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [08:39] haha, i did :) sure didnt specify which file to point installpkg to [08:39] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [08:40] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B17A23.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:40] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [08:40] so thank you for letting me know. [08:41] you're welcome. [08:42] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [08:45] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [08:46] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-qtiahhhqgzpalvhb) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:47] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-foeejqvijxkthkdm) joined ##slackware. [08:47] anyone had a sucessfull -current install on a laptop? [08:47] of course people have [08:47] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:48] im on it now [08:48] you give me hope! [08:48] i'll second that [08:48] the problem isnt slack.. its what laptop you have [08:48] yea I know [08:48] thats what I get for going cheepo at walmart [08:48] edthix1 (~ed@175.144.229.97) joined ##slackware. [08:49] hackeron_ (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:49] get a dell latitude and you can pretty much guarantee everything will work perfectly [08:49] edthix (~ed@175.144.229.97) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:49] (if it hav nvidia gfx) [08:49] Ill start accepting donations now =] [08:50] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:50] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:50] i'm running a HP dv9933cl and runs fine [08:50] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [08:50] my POS is an emachine 725 [08:50] )) [08:50] I am on my MacBook) [08:50] glwt [08:52] the only reason Im trying for -current is that the kernel is newer and has the driver for my wifi card [08:52] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [08:52] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:52] rab13s, 13.1 is coming very soon. [08:53] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:53] you may as well wait a couple of days. [08:53] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [08:53] slava_dp: I agree, but I figured in this time it wouldnt hurt to learn how to patch, or replace a kernel [08:54] slava_dp: which I have done incorrectly multiple times already [08:54] it's not so hard [08:54] Action: jgeboski is smelling smoke from rab12s's computers [08:55] Action: slava_dp thinks jgeboski invented rab13s's brother called rab12s [08:55] oops [08:56] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [08:57] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:58] rizabawt (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: rizabawt [09:01] rab13s, you may want to take a look if you've never seen this article: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/slackware-kernel-compile-guide/ [09:01] there's also a more advanced guide by alien [09:02] slava_dp: thanks, I havnt seen that article yet [09:02] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [09:02] Ill try that on a Virtualbox today [09:04] slava_dp: :) [09:04] Zordrak, it's a great article ;) [09:05] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:06] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:08] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:10] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:11] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:11] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:11] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:12] NightTiger (~derekm@2001:470:1d:e4:216:17ff:fe3b:21d0) joined ##slackware. [09:12] Will be providing some pathcing instructions soon.. but not general instructions.. am going to be writing up fixing an xfs bug in 2.6.29.6 with a patch. Barely worth it TBH as its like two commands. but anyway [09:13] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:13] Zordrak, why did you stay with stock kernels on that cluster of yours? [09:13] theyre not stock [09:14] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [09:14] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [09:14] or do you mean not-upgraded [09:14] yes, not-upgraded is the right term. [09:14] for stability [09:14] rab13s (~micemicer@core.routed.com) left irc: Quit: routing error [09:15] 2.6.32 is the stabliest of the stabliest that you can get ;) [09:15] theres only a minor bug in 29.6. Trying 33.4 caused massive file corruption [09:15] rab13s (~micemicer@core.routed.com) joined ##slackware. [09:15] Basically, when they were installed 29.6 was the available stable kernel.. after putting in hours proving it stable, i dhidnt want to just throw a new kernel at it [09:16] that's reasonable. [09:16] i tried 33.4 to get around the small bug.. but it caused massive corruption.. which put me back to the original kernel and i found a patch for the small bug [09:17] what i really need is to set up a development/testing environment for this.. [09:17] but i dont have the time or resources to at the moment [09:18] haha, the INSTALL file for network ups tools gives slackware-based examples [09:18] heh. woo. [09:18] i'm going to do a slackbuild for it, since there is no straight package. [09:19] kk [09:19] im off to buy more fresh coffee [09:20] slackware.com is down :( [09:20] not here [09:20] lol rebooted fast it seems [09:20] it's fine now [09:21] http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/slackware.com [09:21] ananke, that's what I did, and it said down. [09:21] pics or it didn't happen [09:22] can't, it's up now. [09:22] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:22] damn, I shouldn't have refreshed the tab :) [09:22] see, it didn't happen :) [09:23] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-171.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:23] gotta setup screen captures every 5 seconds :) [09:26] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:27] brainvision (~brainvisi@host154-78-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:28] heilà boyz [09:28] and girlz.. :) [09:29] v4nelle (~van@79.107.196.122) joined ##slackware. [09:29] how are you all? [09:29] mmm.. I'm fine thanks.. :D [09:30] slava_dp: nah, the most stable is 2.6.34 for me ;-) [09:30] somebody yet tried the rc2?? [09:30] I love 2.6.34!!! [09:30] adrien, 2.6.32 is a long term release, it will be supported like forever. [09:31] slava_dp: recent hardware needs recent kernels ;-) [09:31] plus there is the fix for a nasty bug in rtl8169.ko [09:31] yeah? what was the bug? [09:32] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [09:33] slava_dp: the card gets reset when the load is heavy... [09:33] makes absolutely no sense =) [09:33] is r8169 affected? [09:34] well, I guess so ;p [09:34] slava_dp: you have such hardware? [09:34] yeah, but that box runs 2.6.32. [09:35] slava_dp: do you want to try to trigger the bug? if so, do you have another machine? [09:35] meh... this box that I'm currently on has r8169 loaded as well. [09:35] but also 2.6.32. [09:35] adrien, sure, I do have several boxen here. [09:36] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:36] aahhh.. the smell of freshly ground french roast [09:36] if you want to try: pktgen will do (it's a kernel module, dunno if it's compiled in slackware): run it on the other machine (direct link better, single switch/router between both is ok) [09:37] Action: Alan_Hicks prefers the smell of freshly ground beef. [09:37] have a look at /usr/src/linux/Documentation/networking/pktgen.txt [09:37] the doc is quite nice [09:37] Zordrak: oh =) [09:38] Alan_Hicks: you child of satan.. you dont grind beef you grill it and tear it to shreds with your teeth :) [09:39] admboom (~mf@fw1-aus1.rackspace.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:39] Zordrak: I do that too. [09:39] :) [09:39] Alan_Hicks likes his meat any way he can get it [09:39] Action: adrien ships raela to Alan_Hicks' house [09:39] Meet. Beer. Coffee. Slackware. (not in any particular order) [09:40] s/Meet/Meat [09:40] uh. yeah that too :) [09:40] BRB. New kernel installed. Time to reboot. [09:40] Zordrak: slackware is clearly top of the list, come on now.. [09:40] bah: all four at once? =) [09:41] I'd take slackware over all else any day :P [09:41] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:41] Slackware (here) is managed by me. I am powered by meat and coffee. [09:41] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:41] No Meat, No Coffee means No Slackware [09:42] bah, the meat is totally non-essential, just preferred. now the coffee.. [09:42] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:43] Action: Alan_Hicks returns. [09:43] raela: you vegan! [09:43] ugh, i hate vegans [09:43] adrien: bah, vegetarian, not vegan.. major difference [09:43] nah [09:43] plus I'm a failatarian.. vegetarians say I don't count! [09:44] What is it with women thinking it's cool to be a vegetarian? [09:44] they're both political stances [09:44] because they imagine themselves apart from the world and are above the savagery of eating another animal [09:44] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [09:44] when everything eats and gets eaten [09:44] Alan_Hicks: I don't think it's cool at all, or I'd go more extreme [09:45] raela: will have to check for both words [09:45] adrien: vegans don't eat/use any animal products [09:45] they're both egostistical points of view [09:45] raela: Well then, getting laid at SELF is uber cool. [09:45] adrien: vegetarians just don't eat meat, but will use animal products and eat things like dairy and eggs [09:45] /s/use/usually. [09:45] bah [09:45] okay, we call them "vegetaliens" and the others are "vegetariens" (you can easily understood why I got confused) [09:46] Alan_Hicks: I just said I don't do it to be cool [09:46] adrien: ahhh okay. no problem, then [09:46] r_linux (~r_linux@189.38.220.35) joined ##slackware. [09:46] besides eating meat isn't cruel, wasting it is [09:46] But if it was cool, you'd be more extreme. [09:46] adrien: technically I'd be labeled a pescetarian due to eating fish [09:46] replay (replay@69.26.207.251) left ##slackware. [09:46] Skywise: I don't eat meat because I don't like the taste ;) [09:46] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [09:46] i'm practically omnivorous, but i won't eat glands [09:46] Alan_Hicks: I don't want to be cool [09:47] well, you need a better selection of meat [09:47] Then it's definitely uncool. [09:47] cause how can you not like the taste of buffalo wings or hamburger [09:47] there's a little more to it than that, but the main point is it's not a moral thing at -all- for me.. not even slightly [09:47] ick, hamburger.. [09:47] Skywise: Or good ole fashioned pit bar-b-que. [09:48] yeah, cracklin skin is prolly why man learned to cook [09:48] know what my favorite thing was? getting a bone with barely any meat on it, and spending an hour just picking at what I could :P probably the ocpd in me [09:48] amen [09:48] raela: marrow is really good too. [09:48] Alan_Hicks: don't think I ever tried it [09:48] oh man, you need to try osso busco [09:49] cartilage ftw [09:49] It's good. You gotta crack the bone open and suck the marrow out. [09:49] Action: slava_dp is enjoying ##slackware-cooking today [09:49] man, i'm getting hungry [09:49] Very healthy too. [09:49] its meat and fat that allowed us to get a big brain [09:49] ananke: yeah, chewing off cartilage was always fun [09:49] Skywise: ossobuco ;-) [09:49] http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/10/23/633918968638812845-Carnivore.jpg [09:50] SFW [09:50] Alan_Hicks: HAHAHA :P [09:50] Alan_Hicks: yeah, I laughed the first time I saw that [09:50] hahahAHAHAHAhahh [09:50] Action: rab13s sendinig that to my vegitarian gf [09:51] whoot! [09:51] rab13s: Does she enjoy tube steak? [09:51] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:51] wtf with you people. just let those who choose veg type of life have what the chose. [09:51] Alan_Hicks: its her favortive [09:51] bah [09:52] rab13s: Then she's not really a vegetarian. [09:52] the vegetarians aren't satified with eating rabbit food on their own [09:52] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [09:52] they're dedicated to getting everyone to follow them and impose their life styles on the world [09:52] schoene (~mark@cpe-65-189-215-224.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:52] theres a campaign right now for meatless mondays [09:52] Actually, I got no problem with folks who wanna be vegetarians, I just can't understand why in the world they chose that kinda "life". [09:53] slava_dp: and that means more meat for others ;-) [09:53] cause they're stoopid [09:53] Skywise: as with any group of people, there are many types of vegetarians [09:53] just /ignore them. [09:53] some are extreme (like PETA) and want to shove it down people's throats [09:53] Skywise: of course they couldn't have used fridays... [09:53] adrien, LOL [09:53] nah, its simply ignoring the fact that we evolved to eat everything and that meat is one of the best food sources availible [09:54] but honestly - some omnivores are *just* as bad? do you know how irritating it is to have meat waved right in front of your face? I don't want -anything- in my face - it's not tempting me, or grossing me out.. it's just extremely rude [09:54] and then there are some who clame they dont eat meat, but will eat fish? [09:54] grains are more of a health issue for people then meat is [09:54] raela: uncooked meat? [09:54] I think someone has already threatened to slap me with a piece of crude meat... [09:54] adrien: no it was cooked - but I'd be just as pissed if someone waved a carrot in my face [09:54] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [09:54] Three words for any vegetarian: Chicken Fried Steak. [09:55] yum [09:55] With sawmill gravy. [09:55] admboom (~mf@fw1-aus1.rackspace.net) joined ##slackware. [09:55] i've corrupted vegetarians at my bbqs [09:55] cause i don't prepare special menus [09:56] if you can't eat what the group is eating, then you gotta bring your own [09:56] Action: slava_dp continues to learn many new words [09:56] Skywise: There's a trick to converting vegetarians. [09:56] rab13s: also.. sometimes, it's just easier to say vegetarian.. people get that. say pescetarian? some people could just get more lost [09:56] but when they smell the burgers, they can't pass them up [09:56] Skywise: then they weren't really set on it in the first place [09:56] Skywise: You gotta cook rabbit food for them regularly, but you slowly add more and more animal products like bacon grease to it so that it tastes good. [09:56] omg [09:57] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [09:57] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [09:57] Then cook 'em some vegetable soup with just a little bit of ground beef floating around in it. [09:57] Alan_Hicks: bah, my mom tried to get me to give it up by feeding me only bagged salad for a week. dinner each night was just a bag of salad.. wtf [09:57] rabbit is good too ;-) [09:57] alright, I need to get out to the bus stop... be back soon [09:57] i know these one vegans who didn't understand why they liked fries cooked with beef tallow rather then vegetable oil [09:57] Cotton-tail is *excellent*. [09:57] fiyawerx (fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:58] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:58] Skywise: Eventually you can get them to start eating some of the vegetables off your fajitas, and it's only a matter of time before they start liking meat. [09:58] they like meat, they're only against it politically [09:59] raela: Id rather someone not know what a pesco is and have it explaind then have some one tell me they are a vegitarian and then go and eat fish or whatever [09:59] theres so many flavors and textures of meat, its not credible to say you don't like all of it [09:59] so many ways to prepare it from roasting to stews and even pate [10:00] Azeotrope (JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left ##slackware. [10:00] ashe (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:00] to dislike a tender piece of prime rib soaked in jus is unbelieveable [10:01] rab13s (micemicer@core.routed.com) left ##slackware. [10:01] lesser (~lesser@117.136.12.66) joined ##slackware. [10:02] Skywise: That's the way my Mama is with seafood. She "doesn't like any seafood". But there's so many different things and they don't taste anywhere near alike. [10:02] on the same hand a 7 bean salad isn't more appetitizing then a 3 bean salad cause it has more beans [10:02] Different fish taste differently, then you've got shrimp, oysters, crab, lobster, etc. [10:02] yeah, and i don't like strong fish flavors [10:02] Not eating seafood is equivilant to not eating anything that grows on land. [10:02] TheF? OOwriter: This document contains macros which have been disabled.. blah.. foo.. viruses.. bsah [10:03] but shrimp, cod, flounder, lobster and scallops are all mild and tasty [10:03] Skywise: That I can understand. Some people just might not like very fishy tastes like cat fish or bass, but might like perch or brem. And of course, shell fish don't taste anything at all like fish. [10:03] yeah [10:04] i like eel and octopus too [10:04] I had some AWESOME sushi when I was in China.. [10:04] StevenR (~foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:04] Alan_Hicks: howdy :D [10:04] the fresh stuff [10:04] Didn't even taste like fish..it was tender and juicy [10:04] i like eel sushi [10:04] and i like calamari on pizza and in paella [10:04] you know.. it might help if I grab my wallet.. but.. late now [10:04] Never had that. I don't like bass or scallops, and I'm not big on oysters. I can eat oysters if they're temperature hot and I've got some tobasco sauce for them. [10:04] gar0t0: Howdy. [10:05] you should tried scallops deep fried and dipped in clarified butter [10:05] Alan_Hicks: Mind if I PM? [10:05] but the bay scallops, the little ones [10:05] i don't like the sea scallops as much [10:05] I think I'll just work from home today :/ [10:05] StevenR (~foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[13:11] Cann0n (~jack@dialup-4.91.96.74.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) left irc: Changing host [13:11] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [13:13] sounds like some X permission thing. did you upgrade something and you're not telling us? [13:14] It's also possible that permissions are screwed up on /usr/bin/wireshark. [13:15] why is KDEIinit even linking to /usr/bin/wireshark? [13:15] in slackware, afaik, you have to run wireshark as root [13:15] Som eother distros have a wrapper for that like kdesu etc [13:16] depending on watch you are trying to sniff [13:16] wuaaa , yes I've run wireshark as root , but not works :( [13:16] megalomano: what does its ay if you su to root and run wireshark? [13:17] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:18] Dominian: nothing happens [13:19] sirslack1r (~sirslacke@p54B17A23.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19] the same window with the same anounce " KDEInit could not lauch /usr/bin/wireshark" [13:19] How are you launching it? [13:19] from within kde? [13:19] If so, drop to a command prompt, su to root, then try to run it [13:20] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B17A23.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:21] besides , I've tried to run this program with fluxbox and not runs [13:22] megalomano: are you running this via terminal? [13:22] The error about kdeinit appears to be KDE-specific... I'm curious what the command tells you when you run it FROM a terminal as root [13:22] xsamurai (~jamonyou@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [13:23] Dominian: Yes. This is odd i'm running it in XFCE fine. [13:23] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:23] jgeboski: yah [13:25] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:26] in terminal says " comand not foud " , but I have the program integrated into my desktop , k menu , and etc dependencies [13:26] :s [13:26] whats wrong ? [13:26] megalomano: how did you install it? If you installed it to all the defaults it should be found [13:27] you're type is all in lower case 'wireshark' [13:28] megalomano: ls -la /usr/bin/wireshark [13:28] what's that output? [13:30] nvision (~nvision@e179132119.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [13:31] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [13:33] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-140-79.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:34] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:34] oh i fixed it immediately... just epic fail on my part in the first place =P [13:35] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) joined ##slackware. [13:36] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-gniebvpnrzlgnmfk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:36] which wireshark [13:36] if no result, updatedb && locate wireshark [13:36] revel0_ (~revel0@212.88.117.162) left irc: Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~ [13:36] ashe (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [13:36] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-kwcfmlspkyiqvnky) joined ##slackware. [13:36] the wireshark installation was with package txz [13:36] from? [13:37] slackbuilds.org? [13:38] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:39] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:40] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host81-153-238-150.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:44] megalomano (~klonstein@38.124.169.126) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:45] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:46] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.24.139) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:46] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:47] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:49] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:51] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:53] Action: phrag waves at slackerpete o/ [13:53] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [13:55] phrag, you Ok mate [13:56] gbit (~no@mail.daiby.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:57] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:58] slackerpete: good thanks... although i did manage to change the hostname of ~100 linux boxes today with one line of bash... by *mistake* =P [14:00] phrag, did you get into trouble [14:05] lol, no cause i fixed it quick sharp.. just got a lot of stick from the lads haha [14:06] nice one, still enjoying it mate [14:07] erm.. I am sure there is a really simple soultion to this.. it just kind of astounds me: [14:07] /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-slackware-linux/4.3.3/../../../../x86_64-slackware-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lg2c [14:10] deco (~deco@adsl-69-108-87-31.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [14:10] lol, that's a recursive link nightmare [14:10] it's looking in /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-slackware-linux/bin/ [14:10] >.> [14:10] phrag: Howdy. [14:11] heya phrag [14:11] but -lg2c looks like an arguement to something [14:11] hey Alan_Hicks =) [14:11] hi Necos =) [14:11] yeah.. ughh this program is such a pain in the ass.. I think I remember fighting it awhile ago [14:12] raela: what produced that error? [14:12] phrag: trying to build smartpca from eigenstrat.. I tried to run the provided binary anf got: smartpca: error while loading shared libraries: libg2c.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [14:12] /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-slackware-linux/bin/ should not exist either [14:13] but I think libg2c is an old library that has since been replaced by libgfortran or something.. looking it up [14:13] indeed it does not [14:13] what are you compiling that requires that? [14:13] raela: hmm, i'm really not sure, sorry.. try finding the projects support 'medium' [14:14] Necrosporus: eigenstrat [14:14] Alan_Hicks: been up to anything interesting? [14:14] phrag: I installed this a few months ago and hadn't needed to use it.. it's all coming back to me now. ugh. [14:14] phrag: Hell yes. I got a new job now that's just been constant "interesting" stuff. [14:14] for example, the FAQ: Question: I tried running EIGENSOFT but the code crashes. What should I do? Answer: This is probably a systems issue. Try running the pcatoy program and if this trivial program crashes, contact your system administrator for help in tracking down this systems issue. [14:15] I think they're using some old version of RHEL.. [14:15] Alan_Hicks: ooh, me too.. it's great having an interesting job isnt it! =) [14:15] Like say the load balancer failing today... and the colo being unable to route packets... and mysql databases soaring to over 2 million rows.. and infitine loops in php code... [14:15] Alan_Hicks: what you doing? (or is that not for public consumtion?) [14:15] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:16] Alan_Hicks: ahaha, sounds like the kinda shit storm i'm dreading, but similar environment by the sounds of it [14:16] phrag: I'm the Senior Linux Systems Administrator for Intermedia Outdoors now. [14:16] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [14:16] _dieter_ (~dieter@p54BEFA0D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:16] ahh.. I did email the maintainer.. : This is a problem I haven't quite solved yet. I think the issue is that our Makefile includes some libraries (libg2c) which are only relevant to g77. The newer versions of GCC have gfortran. libg2c was things that g77 needed to interface C and Fortran code. [14:16] I would point you at our web pages to give you an idea of who we are, but the load balancer has taken a dump. [14:17] only 2 million rows , it takes only 10 rows for php to bring down a server with infinite loop [14:17] Alan_Hicks: congrats! i've not reached senior yet, few years of breaking things first =P [14:17] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0down [14:17] _dieter_ (~dieter@p54BEFA0D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:17] phrag: Well, I'm the _only_ one, so that makes me senior. :-) [14:17] Alan_Hicks: nagios pings on the F5 strike fear into my heart =P [14:17] infinite loops are so 90 anyways [14:17] *90s [14:17] Alan_Hicks: and also culpable! =P [14:17] phrag: God you should see the nagios alerts in my INBOX right now. [14:17] haha [14:18] And now I'm fighting rpm spec files to update this incredibly stale CentOS environment. [14:18] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:18] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-6-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] same here! ahaha... i spent about 2 weeks writing LAMP spec files for centos.. they are so fugly [14:19] phrag: Umm... you got 'em to share? :^) [14:19] slackbuilds ftw!!! ;) [14:19] i find it easier evaluating the shell output it generates [14:19] Alan_Hicks: if you dont mind me asking, is it a hw based load balancing setup or software based ? [14:19] fire|bird: I know! I so want to convince the CIO to switch to Slackware as we update servers. [14:20] Alan_Hicks: no, built separete apache, php and config rpm's [14:20] xsamurai: I don't fuckin' know. It's managed by the colo, hence it's a complete piece of shit. [14:20] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:20] ogelami (~ogelami@84-217-25-108.tn.glocalnet.net) joined ##slackware. [14:20] Alan_Hicks: ahhh, take over a pizza box with multiple nics and set one up yourself [14:20] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-kwcfmlspkyiqvnky) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:20] Just a working spec file for php-5.3.0 would be a dream come true for me. [14:20] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:20] how do i configure the gui for the x64 slackware 13? [14:21] Alan_Hicks: took awhile to wrap my head round tho.. i started with the official vanilla spec files from apache.org/php.net.. but ended up scrapping them and starting fresh.. they define every scenario under the sun and are way to complex for most needs [14:21] xsamurai: The damn colo is 2,000 miles away. [14:21] xconf doesn't work [14:21] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:21] Alan_Hicks: hmm, i'll check if i have one.. [14:21] ogelami: i believe xorgsetup [14:21] ye [14:21] ogelami: In most situations, an xorg.conf file is completely optional. [14:21] ty * [14:21] Alan_Hicks, I've been messing with spec files/rpms myself lately, openSUSE is what's on my main desktop, but I'm close to installing slack-current, on openSUSE with their own spec files, etc. I can't get latest pidgin to build, can't get the latest claws-mail to build, etc. It's just becoming a pita. [14:21] Alan_Hicks: that sucks balls [14:21] phrag: I'd really appreciate it. [14:21] ogelami: So you can just try to 'startx' [14:22] fire|bird: It is a PITA. Slackware is just so fuckin' much easier! [14:22] Slackbuild scripts are clear and straight-forward. No special tools to have to screw with. No back-porting of fixes for three years, just the latest stable versions with the latest features. [14:22] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [14:23] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-70-236.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:23] Alan_Hicks: just 5.1.6.. not sure how different those versions are.. i imagine massively different =P [14:23] phrag: Massively different. [14:23] adamk: by typing startx i can only select by 800x600 and 867x1024 [14:23] I've got 5.1.x, but our shit requires a minimum of 5.2, so I'm grabbing latest stable and attempting to build an rpm that will play nice with the system. [14:24] To be honest though, I am _seriously_ considering the following: cd /; tar xvzf pkgtool*.tgz; ./install/doinst.sh/; rm -fr /install; [14:24] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-66-236.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [14:25] Nick change: alema0down -> alema0ff [14:25] but from my recent experience, i found less is better.. nice simple sections.. most custom stuff i just defined in configure variables [14:25] Then change the slackbuild scripts for php and apache and what not to use /usr/local and going from there. [14:25] not defined, passed [14:26] Alan_Hicks: take a look at the resulting shell scipt in /tmp when you rpmbuild... if you haven't already [14:27] I haven't gotten rpmbuild to complete without errors yet. [14:27] well it should still dump the shell equivalent in /tmp to actually do the build [14:27] even with errors [14:27] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:28] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [14:28] makes more sense than the spec syntax imho [14:28] I say install pkgtools and use SlackBuild scripts with --prefix=/usr/local to handle custom-compiled junk. [14:29] ogelami (~ogelami@84-217-25-108.tn.glocalnet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:31] ogelami (~ogelami@84-217-25-108.tn.glocalnet.net) joined ##slackware. [14:31] firebird, you can always use pkgtools on opensuse :) [14:31] where do i find my keymaps on the slackware 13? [14:32] ogelami, moar better question, that word: keymap is not unambiguous [14:32] okay, sorry i want to change my default keyboard layout [14:33] ogelami: you can google most of your questions =) [14:33] if i do it trough startx its only changed in the gui [14:33] deco (deco@adsl-69-108-87-31.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [14:33] no, googling it led to etc/usr/keymaps or something like that [14:33] and that folder didnt exist [14:33] ogelami, you want the default kb layout in X or console or both? [14:33] both [14:34] someone said the lilo config [14:34] but theres no lang found in there :/ [14:35] well, i managed to change the keybord layout for the X but not the default keyboard layout, every new user will have to redefine its keyboard layout [14:35] quick question, is there a lot of users that don't need a multilib 64b slack? [14:36] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [14:38] sure :) [14:38] why would I need 32-bit stuff? [14:39] eviljames (~james@S0106001d7e684945.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:40] wine, virtualbox ? [14:41] ogelami: search google for keytab-lilo.pl [14:41] tusk: depends on your requirements, virtualbox and wine are examples of popular tools that require 32bit libs [14:42] but i'd agree a lot of slackers run native 64bit [14:42] phrag: yeah and quite a few browser plugins [14:42] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) joined ##slackware. [14:42] phrag: are you? [14:42] so more so for desktop [14:42] tusk: yes, i run 64bit multilib [14:42] yes, but wheres the path to the keymaps? xsamurai [14:42] tusk: i dont know of any browser plugins that require a 32 bit system [14:43] xsamurai: not 32b system but 32b libs [14:43] like wine does [14:43] wine isnt a browser plugin [14:43] flash is [14:43] there is a 64bit version [14:44] and it sucks in both 32/64 bit form [14:44] we'll have to wait for 128 to finally get it working [14:45] well 64b is still prerelease [14:45] and it sucks we all know that :) [14:45] tusk: flash does not require wine tho, just to be clear =P [14:45] -_- [14:46] unless you plan on running skype or wine, i wouldnt worry about it [14:46] run 64 [14:46] i do run 64 [14:46] but with multilib [14:46] tusk: wasnt being rude, i don't know your depth of linux knowledge =P [14:47] phrag: let's say you don't need to specify that i don't need wine to make flash working ;) [14:48] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [14:49] xsamurai: it says everywhere that "They are usually stored in /usr/lib/kbd/keytalbles." [14:49] that folder doesnt exist [14:49] where is it in 13? [14:49] ogelami: i dont have a slackware system in front of me right now, i dont know if they are part of the lilo pkg [14:50] okay [14:50] ogelami if you want to set it up, make a script that "loadkeys" and put it in /etc/rc.d/rc.keymap [14:50] btw that was just a quick question :) [14:51] jhw (~jhw@p57982D75.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:51] mancha, lol, that's true, I could use pkgtools, but I think if I was going to go that route, I'd rather use pkgtools on slackware. :) [14:51] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:51] ogelami look in /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwerty for possible qwerty keymaps [14:52] fire, sure do what you want. but it seemed like you wanted opensuse with the ease of installpkg [14:52] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:53] sirslack1r (~sirslacke@p54B17A23.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:53] mancha, I like openSUSE, just times like this when I'd like the latest pidgin, claws-mail, etc. I can't just easily build them like I can on Slackware, openSUSE is still back on pidgin 2.6.2. [14:54] so if you wanted the russian qwerty you'd do "loadkeys ru.map" and stuff. [14:54] firebird *shrug* [14:54] Zosma (jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) left irc: Quit: NEW HDDs FUCK YEAH [14:56] okay, loadkeys i think, but it doesnt solve the problem right? [14:57] as soon as i reboot the keymap shit is going back to uk right? [14:57] this loadkeys thing is for console. we're talking console now, right? [14:58] let's please make a distinction between console and X, let me know which one you want to talk about first. [14:58] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [14:59] fjunis_ (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [15:00] ogelami i'm going to quickly lose interest if it takes you 10 minutes to reply to each question of mine. [15:01] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:01] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:02] fjunis_ (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:04] Action: xsamurai hands macha a book 'how to get a man in 10 days' [15:04] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [15:04] its worked wonders for me [15:05] tusk: =) [15:05] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-140-79.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:06] Poseidon_99 (~root@117.198.165.63) joined ##slackware. [15:06] Poseidon_99 (~root@117.198.165.63) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:07] anyone noticed X cpu usage rising after a day or so usage? [15:07] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:08] phrag, sounds more like your DE, are you sure it is "X" ? [15:08] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:08] phrag: not here [15:09] well just from monitoring the process with htop, it seems X is at 10% [15:09] close firefox [15:09] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [15:09] and xchat [15:09] what i mean is somethig is loading up the X server with stuff... [15:09] wouldnt X be the parent process of a DE ? [15:09] Poseidon_99 (~root@117.198.163.62) joined ##slackware. [15:09] hi [15:10] or does it fork the desk environment as a separate process ? [15:10] so it makes sense to figure out what is causing the resource usage...things to consider are all complex rendering agents [15:10] that helped, but still spiking to 10%.. which on a i7 3.8GHz.. theres a rabbit away [15:10] Poseidon_99 (root@117.198.163.62) left ##slackware. [15:10] Poseidon_99 (~root@117.198.163.62) joined ##slackware. [15:11] phrag: you'll have to track down the app doing it [15:11] hm, averaging about 6% now [15:11] xsamurai: ps aux --forest [15:11] still too high [15:11] Poseidon_99 (root@117.198.163.62) left ##slackware. [15:11] better.. but still too much [15:12] nvision (~nvision@e179132119.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:12] SiegeX: ps auxf has the same output =) [15:12] phrag: how much memory is X using? which driver? which DE? [15:12] phrag: i personnaly had bad luck with xchat and firefox/flash in the past [15:12] does htop show the CPU% as across 'cpu total' or a single core? [15:12] both VIRT and RES for memory [15:13] true, but i wanted to emphasize the forest part [15:13] phrag: per process i guess it's cpu total [15:13] eviljames (~james@S0106001d7e684945.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:13] oh yes, if you have the flash plugin in FF, you can count on it loading up the CPU(s) [15:14] SiegeX: thanks, just to lazy to type and see for myself haha, figured as much though its a child process [15:14] i'm using the 10.1 rc4 release of flash. [15:14] memory? adrien's smoking french weed again :> [15:14] strangely my flash plugin is waaaaaaaay more stable since i use chromium [15:14] it supposedly incorporates gpu support [15:15] for some gpus [15:15] how many laptops these days ship with hybrid video? [15:16] though you can override in /etc/adobe/mms.cfg [15:16] nvidia, kde 4.4.2 [15:16] zee_ (~zee@125.162.37.25) joined ##slackware. [15:16] mmmh your KDE must eat 2/3% alone i guess [15:16] if not a bit more [15:17] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:17] does kde have candy default? compositing etc? [15:17] kwin is bit below X, say 4-6% [15:17] X 6-8% [15:17] cause transparency etc eat cpu [15:17] see, i dont think its cpu total [15:18] as i have cpu total graphs in gkrellm and plasma widget, and they are showing 1%-2% for the whole system [15:18] mmmh stange [15:18] so htop must be showing per cpu core [15:18] here it show total [15:18] <_slax0r_> hi, a little help, in FF if I click on a PDF file it offers me to save it or to open with, but at the open with there is only a browse button. So I browse to okular and select it...it opens...yay...but then when I try to open another PDF file I again have to browse to okular >:( so, how to tell FF to keep okular on the "open with list"? [15:19] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:19] yeh, also in top [15:19] the cpu(s): 2%us [15:20] phrag: what i do in that particular case, i load a compilation with -j4 [15:20] even tho it shows X as using 8%, wierd [15:20] then it's up to 2/300% [15:20] slava_dp (~slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [15:20] _slax0r_ you need to do some mimetype editing [15:20] slava_dp (~slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: Changing host [15:20] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [15:20] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [15:20] why 300% ? [15:20] <_slax0r_> mancha: I'll even do kernel editing if needed as long as I get it working [15:20] 3cores at 100% each [15:21] <_slax0r_> but show me where :P [15:21] htop uses resources! [15:21] well, it;s 8 cores with HT (4 real) [15:21] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [15:21] slax0r mimeTypes.rdf [15:21] oh up 300%, yeh =) [15:21] see [15:21] easy [15:22] :P [15:22] you will need to edit the file for your user (or you can edit the system-wide one if you prefer) [15:22] now do you still care about that little 8% phrag ? [15:22] :D [15:22] well cpuinfo show 8, so it must be 2% out of 800% [15:23] sirslacker (~sirslacke@tmo-105-85.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [15:23] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [15:24] 0.25% on each core [15:25] <_slax0r_> mancha: thanks [15:25] <_slax0r_> I'll do my worst [15:25] nice, well glad we got to the bottom of that, thanks =) [15:26] _slax0r_ np, that's all we can hope for! :) [15:26] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:26] sorry for this noobish question but, everytime i try to open an rpm file, it says that it requires the SMART package to be installed which i dont have it seems like standard with apt and yum, hm how do i get it? [15:26] i downloaded it from it's site but it doesn't seem to install propperly when i try doing it manually? [15:26] ogelami aren't you the one who ignored my help after you asked about keymaps? [15:27] sorry, im tabbing, i guess i got it kinda working :( [15:27] slackware does't use rpm's are you sure you're in the right place? [15:27] oh okay [15:27] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-149-235.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [15:28] ogelami: http://www.ubuntu.com/ [15:28] it seems like nmap is only available in rpm packages :( [15:28] ovnicraft (1000@186.68.250.207) joined ##slackware. [15:29] ogelami: You really have no earthly idea what you're doing, do you? [15:29] this is the first time im using slackware [15:29] ogelami, nmap is slackware standard [15:29] just type nmap and go [15:29] omfg ! [15:29] hahaha [15:29] ogelami: http://www.slackbook.org/ [15:29] yes, youre that bad [15:29] adaptr (~adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) left irc: Changing host [15:29] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) joined ##slackware. [15:29] sorry, hahah goddamn [15:29] =D [15:29] thanks for all the help [15:30] ogelami, read that book. it have everything you might wanna know about slackware [15:30] now im just gona lol myself outa here [15:30] and even stuff you dont wanna know but have to [15:30] ogelami: If there's some software that you need and it isn't included in Slackware, look for it at http://slackbuilds.org/ [15:30] okay, thanks slackbook.org [15:30] okay [15:30] Otherwise, compile it yourself. [15:30] nice thanks [15:30] Compiling is straight-forward and easy with Slackware. it's not like rpm or apt distros where you start building things and they explode. [15:31] how do i download the ones on the slackbuilds.com [15:31] The slackbuild scripts are far far far superior to rpm spec files. They'll build packages for you quickly and easily. [15:31] ogelami: Look at the FAQ and HOWTO. [15:31] slackpkg [15:31] okay, thanks [15:32] damn, i got to rtfm's. [15:32] Yes, that is mandatory for anyone wishing to use Slackware. [15:32] FM we love you <3 [15:33] zee_ (~zee@125.162.37.25) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:35] wow...weirdness. [15:36] anyone have experience with AOC monitors? [15:36] I rebooted after some updates, and chrome died saying "/dev/shm is inaccessible, should be 777". I checked, it was indeed 755. chmod'ed back to 777 and chrome works again [15:36] ! [15:36] sirslcaker_ (~sirslacke@tmo-105-33.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [15:36] troy (~troy@dyn129-100-180-159.wireless.uwo.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:36] sirslcaker_ (~sirslacke@tmo-105-33.customers.d1-online.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:37] sirslcaker_ (~sirslacke@tmo-105-33.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [15:37] hey guys - does something need to be added to -current to play dvds? [15:37] libdvdcss troy [15:37] alienBOB: thanks :) [15:37] does anyone get video glitches in dragon player in -current sometimes? old nvidia card, proprietary driver. [15:37] troy: http://slackware.org.uk/people/alien/restricted_slackbuilds/libdvdcss/pkg64/13.0/libdvdcss-1.2.10-x86_64-1alien.tgz [15:37] troy, which is available on slackbuilds.org [15:37] ogelami (~ogelami@84-217-25-108.tn.glocalnet.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:38] or there ;) [15:38] well, that's not -current [15:38] adaptr: It'll work. [15:38] Alan_Hicks: didna say it wouldna ;) [15:39] sirslacker (~sirslacke@tmo-105-85.customers.d1-online.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:39] I'm happily running TB3 from -current, too [15:39] on 13.0 [15:39] sirslcaker_ (~sirslacke@tmo-105-33.customers.d1-online.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:39] fjunis_ (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [15:39] another issue -- screen blanks every 10 mins when I'm watching a movie in dragon player. any solutions? [15:41] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-140-79.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:41] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:42] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:42] does anybody know if there are packages for more xfce applets than the ones that appear by default on 13.0 ? [15:42] adaptr, lots of them in rworkman's repo and on SBo. [15:43] Action: adaptr goes to look on websites [15:43] oooh rworkman has a repo ? gimme! [15:43] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-140-79.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:44] fjunis_ (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:44] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:44] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [15:45] hrm - well, simply installing libdvdcss did not appear to do the trick - neither xine nor dragon will play the disc [15:45] http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/ [15:45] adaptr, ^^ [15:45] troy, install all of dvd* from SBo. [15:45] thanks! [15:45] dvdnav, dvdcss, dvdplay. [15:45] afair. [15:46] troy: Just install vlc and forget about that halfwit-players %) [15:46] ovnicraft (1000@186.68.250.207) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:46] johndee, dragon is awesome. [15:47] slava_dp: Last time I checked, it couldn't handle any type of subtitles. So it got dismissed :) [15:47] well, with the phonon-vlc backend, you could use dragon with vlc :) no slackbuilds for that yet [15:47] johndee: it's handled subs for a long time [15:47] johndee, it does subtitles fine. [15:47] vlc is a fine app [15:48] Well, I'm totally comfy with vlc. Enough to not think about other video players [15:48] dragon > vlc for basic home movie watching. that's imho :) [15:49] mancha (mancha@DOMINIA.MIT.EDU) joined ##slackware. [15:49] If only there was KMPlayer+CoreAVC for Linux :D [15:49] Nick change: mancha -> Guest60921 [15:50] Guest60921 (mancha@DOMINIA.MIT.EDU) left irc: Client Quit [15:50] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:53] gbit (no@mail.daiby.com.br) left ##slackware. [15:56] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:01] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:02] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-426411.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [16:02] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:02] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-426411.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:03] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [16:05] GArik (~wesnoth@93-81-221-173.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:05] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:07] is there a slackbuild that builds vlc plus all of its deps in one shot? [16:08] troy: check sbopkg.org under the 'queue' tab - it may be in the svn repo or you may find it in the git repo [16:09] queuefiles tab, sorry [16:11] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.173.42.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [16:12] hm, vlc doesn't seem to be in sbo at all - so, nope, I don't know of one [16:13] well then - I think I'll give up for the time being [16:13] Action: troy pouts [16:13] alienBOB has an inclusive slackbuild for vlc. Read the script: [16:13] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/vlc/build/vlc.SlackBuild [16:13] what is the name of the binary for kde system settings? [16:13] jhw (~jhw@p57982D75.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:15] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:16] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:16] right.. it is now called systemsettings. used to be kcontrol. [16:16] jgeboski (james@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. [16:18] what literature you advertise, for me, hacker wanna-be :P [16:19] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@ppp-69-215-51-3.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [16:19] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [16:19] Hello. [16:20] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [16:20] how can I determina on which SCSI mode my peripheral has been detected? [16:20] can somebody tell me the website where i can download the newest startup-notification? [16:20] FastSCSI, Wide, Ultra etc [16:20] mac-, something like... lsscsi? [16:20] i need libstartup-notification-1.0 :S [16:21] fjunis_ (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [16:21] there is scsi_level, but what that mean ? [16:21] mac-, don't you need to reboot computer to detect scsi for any peripheral? [16:21] lsmod [16:22] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: Bye [16:22] Not sure if lsscsi works. [16:22] troy: building VLC takes a while - you can also download my package (you are using my KDE too so the trust relation has been established ;-) [16:22] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:22] ehh [16:23] That's not a build script. (holds up alienBOB's vlc) Now *that's* a buildscript. [16:24] haha [16:25] well put [16:25] fjunis_ (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:25] troy: be sure to pick up the version with all the codecs :P [16:26] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [16:28] troy (~troy@dyn129-100-180-159.wireless.uwo.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:29] nvision (~nvision@e179132119.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:29] teach me hacking ... like what percent of www use the obsolate software which has some obvious vulnarabilities. [16:30] yea, cause thats the first thing someone should learn [16:31] paul424, do something useful. help fix bugs in free software. that's hacking. [16:34] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [16:36] Action: eviljames going multilib [16:37] paul424, google "google dork" [16:37] I hacked into a tree once, the obvious vulnerability was the rotted out trunk. I used an ax to exploit the wood into a boat [16:38] rab13s: surely, that was not a zero-day sploit [16:38] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:38] we've had "wood" for some time now [16:40] I just moved into the area it took me a few weeks to notice [16:41] rab13s: that seems serious hacking to me :P [16:42] paul424: its quite the workout [16:43] ogelami (~ogelami@84-217-25-108.tn.glocalnet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:43] I'm guessing that the tree has been completely compromised? [16:43] he haxored it and now its down [16:43] heh, he got down to the root on the tree? [16:44] is there any way to install the python 3 on slackware 13? [16:44] Probably [16:44] Action: NaCl notes some noobfarmable material [16:44] ogelami: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/development/python3/ [16:44] ogelami, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/development/python3/ [16:44] haha [16:44] Urchlay, dammit, you beat me [16:44] :P [16:45] :) thanks [16:45] they've been waiting all day for someone to ask [16:45] didn't even know python3 existed until about 30 seconds ago [16:46] Urchlay: where've you been? :P [16:46] under a rock [16:46] it's nice & dark & relaxing [16:47] rab13s: I think thats the black hacking, cause the hack you done is definitly unreversable .... [16:47] Urchlay: the rock has internet access? [16:47] plant another tree [16:47] wifi [16:47] well yeah, I'm a hermit, not a caveman [16:47] then it's white [16:48] GArik (~wesnoth@93-81-221-173.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:48] Hm. [16:48] does cups work for everyone? my printer broke, used to work on 13.0. [16:48] slava_dp, doesn't work for me. WHat printer do you have? [16:49] Some printer only support b/w and some certain print format. [16:49] hp deskjet 5550, connected to my router. worked fine in 13.0. [16:49] i get spammed about udev rules from the hp prop. driver [16:49] it annoys me, but i've not had time to fix it yet [16:49] IIRC hplip isn't proprietary [16:49] lemme see the logs [16:50] phrag, hplip is free by the way ;) [16:50] it says i needed the propriatory driver, i;m sure i dl some firmware [16:50] if it was hplip, the seemlike a buggy udev rule [16:50] then* [16:51] sometimes ssh latency translates into engrish =P [16:51] affirmative [16:52] hplip is the replacement to the hpijs driver [16:53] ogelami (~ogelami@84-217-25-108.tn.glocalnet.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:54] damn the stupid apple, it's all their fault. [16:54] never had any thoubles before they bought ESP. [16:55] CUPS been bought by badapple ? [16:55] bastrds! [16:55] bought!? [16:55] two years have passed already [16:56] cups is apple now. [16:56] yes, Easy Software Products is a commercial company, who owns/ed the CUPS IP [16:58] ??? [16:58] Apple, the iPhone maker, that company bought CUPS? [16:59] they probably couldn't do better ;) [17:00] 2007... i did not know that o.0 [17:01] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@ppp-69-215-51-3.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:01] more ammo to throw at my apple fanboi co-workers [17:01] what is this I hear that you can not use latest intel drivers without using kms? [17:02] Emeau (~kvirc@AMontsouris-158-1-6-156.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:02] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [17:03] |Emeau| (~kvirc@AMontsouris-158-1-70-54.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [17:03] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:03] maybe i misheard [17:06] slava_dp (~slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] wario: I would expect they are trying to move people to kms, yes. [17:08] |Emeau| (~kvirc@AMontsouris-158-1-27-220.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:08] ay [17:08] Zosma (jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:08] well, kms is better anyway imo [17:08] Anyone else experience with WD EARS disks and linux? [17:09] I just aligned it and it's still doing buffered cache reads only with about 10MB/s. [17:09] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-171.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:09] i guess just some bugs left to work out [17:09] Emeau (~kvirc@AMontsouris-158-1-6-156.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:09] tooly (~theo@f053078215.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:10] brainvision (~brainvisi@host152-77-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:10] NightTiger (~derekm@2001:470:1d:e4:216:17ff:fe3b:21d0) left irc: Quit: NightTiger [17:11] asamoah (~caio@wiltel.wilnet.com.ar) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:11] wee! got a zombie process! [17:11] kill it [17:11] i'd gladly pay you tuesday for a cheeseburger today [17:11] it's undead [17:11] oh noes [17:11] kill its parent [17:12] bastard child [17:12] mmmm, cheeeseburger [17:12] i wish I could get psdoom to work with current systems [17:12] kill proccesses in doom [17:13] haha [17:13] do you get haxored if you lose? [17:13] overkill? maybe, though i'm guesing it'd be really fun.. [17:13] fun factor 10 =) [17:13] well, they had to take the part of the code out where the monsters kill each other. [17:13] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@ppp-69-215-51-3.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [17:13] haha [17:13] eviljames (~james@S0106001d7e684945.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: going multilib, other wizardry [17:13] they tried it at first [17:13] ^^ [17:13] is the uber boss init ? [17:13] lol [17:14] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host81-153-238-150.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:14] hehe [17:14] idk, i have never gotten it to compile. XD [17:15] lets make it a priority for 13.1! [17:15] it was interesting that they tried to use the more important proccesses to kill off the less important ones, though the glitch was that monsters (proccesses) in the way would get hit also. [17:16] the monsters killing each other like the original doom. [17:16] phrag: i agree! [17:16] that game should fire up when the system runs low on resources [17:16] yeah lol [17:16] odds of survival, mathematically insignificant.. i like those odds [17:17] they say that if the proccess was refusing to die it would kill you insted. XD [17:17] genious [17:17] yep [17:17] mr-S^b43 (~Mr-S^b32@cc940512-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:20] mr-S^b43 (~Mr-S^b32@cc940512-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Client Quit [17:20] Nick change: xchg -> xchg_brum [17:20] functionoverform (~functiono@adsl-99-141-206-127.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:20] what's goin on guys [17:21] Nick change: wario -> flatteryoverform [17:21] Does anybody have a dell latitude e4200 and knows which model= parameter to pass to get the microphone working? [17:21] Nick change: flatteryoverform -> wario [17:22] Srbo: alsa doesn't detect it? [17:22] brainvision (~brainvisi@host84-14-dynamic.53-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:25] wario, unfortunately not [17:25] just installed skype, can't get it working. [17:25] Srbo: just asking. [17:26] functionoverform (~functiono@adsl-99-141-206-127.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:26] Srbo: are you using kernel huge or generic? [17:27] i think im using huge... [17:27] uname -a ? [17:27] using huge [17:27] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [17:28] i had a problem with my mic once. i never had to deal with drivers except the alsa module itself [17:28] Srbo: is it 1.018 or 1.18 (whichever) [17:28] -current is .21 i think [17:28] same here, maybe he has more then one sound device [17:28] hm... i read s.th. that i maybe have to define options snd-hda-intel model=[something] to get it working [17:28] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:28] r_linux (~r_linux@189.38.220.35) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:29] you mean alsa-lib? 1.0.18 [17:30] yes [17:30] Srbo: does alsamixer show your pcm and other audio options? [17:30] Srbo: or is it just a volume bar for master [17:30] ? [17:30] yes... without problems... sound is also working, just the internal microphone not [17:31] no, no, got many options there [17:31] k [17:31] on 13 and not -current correct? [17:31] yes... [17:32] okay, maybe you said it though i don't feel like hitting page up.. [17:32] too far of a stretch [17:32] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:33] Srbo: to be honest I had the same issue and I kept having to mess around with it and finally got it to work. I have heard recently that the kernel loads a driver (name i will have to look for) that may interfere with what you want alsamixer to see [17:33] j0z (~UNIX@201.47.15.107.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:33] j0z (~UNIX@201.47.15.107.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [17:33] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [17:33] possibly blacklisting this will help [17:34] one sec and i'll look [17:34] that would be perfect :) but if you can't find it, i have time and you gave me a good start to search for :) [17:34] though, i never had to do this to get it to work. this is something i found out about recently [17:34] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-110-216-2-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [17:34] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:35] Srbo: well i can tell you and it's also in the archwiki [17:35] Ricardo__ (rick@187.107.3.164) left ##slackware ("Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is"). [17:36] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [17:36] if i can just recall in my arch install where to blacklist things. lol [17:36] Srbo: do you have multiple sound devices, sound card , or usb cam with a mic ? [17:37] Srbo: take a screen shot of your alsamixer settings and paste it here http://imagebin.ca/ [17:37] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:37] have a usb cam and the system detects a mic in there, even if I never saw that it has one :D but also when i start the system without anything plugged in, it won't wort :/ [17:38] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [17:38] Srbo: ah yes, not sure if it will help though.. snd_pcsp [17:38] is the module name [17:39] pc speaker for short [17:39] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:39] v4nelle (~van@79.107.196.122) joined ##slackware. [17:39] it can interfere with your preffered alsa device [17:39] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:39] i don't have much knowledge beyond that though [17:40] except to keep playing with it until it works. I had to do it to mine also. :) [17:40] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [17:40] wario, hehe thank you very much. I'll have a look for that one :) [17:41] xsamurai, http://imagebin.ca/view/XxHj34.html [17:42] whipped up a script that will keep my screen on while watching videos. [17:42] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:44] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [17:44] slava_dp: smplayer has a nice option for it ;) [17:44] I use dragon, and it hasn't. [17:45] also, will keep track of flash videos [17:45] Srbo: press the right arrow key , look for Mic and see if its set to mute [17:45] 2D performance with Xinerama seems.....poor [17:45] glxgears shows 678 FPS with a full screen window [17:46] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Client Quit [17:46] anyone have problems with straggling ICE-unix files when they reboot from X? [17:46] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [17:47] mancha: on 64-current nope [17:47] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@89.214.241.52) joined ##slackware. [17:47] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:47] xsamurai, there's jsut s.th. called "input source" and "input source 1" it's set to "front mic". Tried to set it to the only other option "mic" but still not working. Can't mute it. [17:47] mancha, sometimes. I usually prune my /tmp once in a while. [17:47] slava_dp where your X quits right after you startx the first time? [17:48] uhh... won't tell you exactly. I just happened to see those. don't know how they happened to be there. [17:48] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.173.42.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:48] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [17:49] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [17:49] Srbo: odd, cat /proc/asound/cards, pastebin the results [17:49] Action: slava_dp goes to bed. night, slackers :) [17:50] slava_dp (~slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:51] xsamurai, http://pastebin.com/iiqtLFT8 [17:52] Srbo: just to confirm you are trying use a microphone besides the webcam ? [17:52] yes... videocalls :) [17:54] it wouldnt be an issue though since alsamixer is using the onboard card [17:54] double check your skype settings , make sure its not pointing to the webcam [17:54] small shell scripting question: I have several values and want to add them, how should I do that? [17:54] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] (like 1, 2, 48, 50...) [17:54] adrien: array [17:55] arrays are so annoyingly weird =/ [17:55] if you are adding up a total [17:57] value=$(expr $total + $value) [17:57] er, total=$(expr $total + $value) i meant... [17:58] just add a for loop for $value $( echo 1 2 3 4 ) ; do [17:59] substitute 1 2 3 4 for whatever values you want to use [17:59] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@ppp-69-215-51-3.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:00] xsamurai, added an imagebin for you. http://imagebin.ca/view/HexL-lqx.html I think he doesn't even recognize the mic. :S [18:00] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [18:01] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-426411.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:01] megalomano (~klonstein@38.124.169.126) joined ##slackware. [18:03] hi people , can someone say if slackware 13 is stable ? [18:03] I'm sure someone can [18:03] and I'm sure the answer is yes :D [18:03] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-149-235.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:03] 13.0 is stable, 13.1 is rc1 [18:04] rc2 is out too :) [18:04] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [18:05] 13.1 is not far off [18:06] I'm forwarding a local port with OpenSSH, but have decided that I want to redirect the remote endpoint. Is there any way to do this that doesn't involve restarting ssh? [18:06] functionoverform (~functiono@adsl-99-141-206-127.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:06] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:06] Urchlay: are you around? [18:07] fadein: is the connection already established ? [18:07] you can't change the forward on an established ssh connection [18:07] mancha: you killed the suspense, i had a two part question prepared [18:08] ... [18:08] has anybody had any issues with connecting to WIn7 CIFS shares ? it works rather...idiosyncratically of late [18:08] ssh is probably one of the more amazing things to come out of the foss community [18:08] I've got a shell running, but haven't touched the forwarded port yet [18:08] GArik (~wesnoth@93-81-221-173.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:08] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) joined ##slackware. [18:08] ok , I have some issues with this version (13 ) , with kde4 , when I try to run an application ( in this case wireshark ) an anounce says " KDEInit could no launch /usr/bin/wireshark" [18:08] does it exist ? [18:08] fadein, the port forwarding is established upon connection negotiation, it is too late. [18:08] i forwarded the port after invoking SSH, with the ~C command [18:09] and it appears that you can cancel a remotely forwarded connection [18:09] megalomano was it you asking this earlier? [18:10] mancha: I still have this issue [18:10] :( [18:10] are you going to answer questions about it ? [18:10] fadein ok we seem to be having terminology hurdles here. rather than talk about forwarding ports (which technically you don't do anyways) can explain your setup/problem/question in the king's english? [18:11] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) left irc: Client Quit [18:11] megalomano first things first, do you have /usr/bin/wireshark? what does ls -l /usr/bin/wireshark show? [18:11] i hope that someone help me [18:11] sure. I'm fighting the firewall at work. [18:11] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [18:11] I'm trying to write a webapp that does some crap over SOAP [18:11] yes i have /usr/bin/wireshark [18:11] megalomano: so, run it directly, what does it say ? [18:12] what is in your xsession log [18:12] our new webfilter uses squid underneath, and apparantly squid doesn't like SOAP + POST [18:12] megalomano, what slackware version are you on? [18:12] fadein: SOAP isn't related to HTTP [18:12] the same anounce " KDEInit could not lauch .... [18:12] fadein: you should ask in #php [18:12] slackware 13 [18:12] so, I'm running it through my home PC, which makes my app happy [18:12] in my slackware 12.2 have not this issue [18:13] machan (~chatzilla@112.135.27.16) joined ##slackware. [18:13] you're sure, right? you have not upgraded to current at all? and where did you get your wireshark from? [18:13] functionoverform: hey [18:13] what? [18:13] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) joined ##slackware. [18:13] but, I was hoping that I could redirect where my tunneled connection pointed to without restarting my ssh connection [18:13] hey, i got unetbootin working, and used to it create a usb stick [18:13] actually I have slackware 13 [18:14] fadein: you cant redirect two parties who have shaken hands already [18:14] functionoverform: nice [18:14] so its definitely a possibility for everybody to use, and its incredibly easy, its a gui that you just pick the iso file from and its good to go [18:14] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:14] xsamurai: well, what I aim to do is redirect to a different endpoint after an entire SOAP transaction has taken place [18:15] i'm gonna look at maybe making a slackbuild for it [18:15] what, you just point it at the iso of the slackware DVD or CD#1, and it Just Works? nice. [18:15] xsamurai: I'm not trying to mess with the stream in the middle of the conversation [18:16] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) joined ##slackware. [18:16] functionoverform: if this is your first slackbuild, here's something to get you started: http://slackbuilds.org/guidelines/ [18:16] includes a template you can edit to suit your build [18:16] jrt05 (~jason@c-98-196-24-103.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:16] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) left irc: Client Quit [18:17] Zosma (jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) left irc: Quit: Mopper mopper [18:17] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:17] ? [18:18] unetbootin is just a binary file. why make a slackbuild for it? [18:21] i dunno dude [18:21] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [18:21] somebody suggested it last night [18:21] it think it was Coke [18:21] he wanted ti [18:21] it* [18:22] its pretty easy to compile [18:22] should only take a few minutes [18:22] thats the whole point, you dont compile it [18:22] anyway, bbl [18:24] nvision (~nvision@e179132119.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:24] v4nelle (~van@79.107.196.122) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:27] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:28] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) joined ##slackware. [18:28] masterslakk (~mastersla@adsl-99-30-144-105.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:29] v4nelle (~van@79.107.196.122) joined ##slackware. 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[19:44] Nick change: shawn__ -> kytan [19:45] excuse me but I have an issue with adding a new user when I add the name the program and questions it used to ask you don't appear and this "new" way of doing it i'm not getting along with very well and so it's making it difficult to get basic files for like xorg to be in a home directory I have to make and link through useradd -d (home directory) and so I need help making it so he can at least use xorg [19:46] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:47] I've read that three times now and am still trying to make sense of it. [19:47] okay I am very sorry I have very bad english [19:48] <[yop]> sed 's/have/am/g' [19:48] <[yop]> *+ in [19:48] kytan, What problem is this user having with Xorg? [19:49] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [19:50] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [19:50] he can't get into xorg because of his home directory it can't find certain xorg files and then it has a few permission denied but he has fully permissions I even tried running sudo startx [19:51] and it woudln't do anything it was trying to do everything like it should in his home directory like it would with any other user [19:51] but he has a few different erros [19:51] but I am most concerned about the way you add users now it's not the same as it used to be and it's confusing [19:51] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.244) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:52] OK... First, the only problems with his home directory that might prevent him from starting Xorg is if he doesn't actually own his home directory. [19:52] Does he own that directory? [19:52] doex1 (~root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [19:52] I'm such an idiot [19:53] I'm am totally sorry it's been a while since i've used slackware and stuff and it's not like most other linux distros I've used and just i been away but thank you [19:53] doex (~root@86.81.102.210) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:53] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [19:54] but I still am interested in knowing what happened to when you type in useradd (desired name) then it asked you all these questions like full name phone number for home and work and stuff then any groups to be added to and the password and expiration what happendd to all that in useradd/ [19:54] ?* [19:54] kytan: there are 2 programs....useradd and adduser [19:54] there are? [19:54] i suspect you are wanting adduser [19:55] wow I always thought tehre was something strange about the way it looked [19:55] adduser asks a bunch of questions [19:55] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [19:55] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:56] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:57] Zosma (jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:57] i tahnk you for your hel[ [19:57] help* [19:57] no problem [19:58] I am sorry for my stupidity but i looked on the internet and didn't find it and now that I know there are two i shouldn't be having issues with this again [19:58] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) joined ##slackware. [19:58] Razec (~razec@187.34.17.233) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:58] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.244) joined ##slackware. [20:00] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:01] it's OK :) 'adduser' is kind of a slackware-specific item [20:02] oh so no wonder i couldn't find it looking for the general linux adding user thing thanks [20:03] thrice`: i was just gonna say that, thanks :) [20:03] adduser is really just a wrapper for useradd [20:03] i must go thanks [20:03] kytan (~shawn@pool-70-105-228-86.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:03] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:05] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) joined ##slackware. [20:10] Azalyn (~junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:11] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) joined ##slackware. [20:11] hey. if it stops when installing a package... should I just kill process... note it hasn't froze yet [20:12] Azalyn (~junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:12] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] then don't worry about it :) [20:14] also, the answer is, 'it depends' [20:15] if it locks up on bash, and you keep going and install, your system won't boot. if it locks up and fails to install emacs, your system will still boot (and probably faster) [20:17] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:18] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:18] woof [20:18] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [20:18] *finally* talked 'em into upgrading, went from 1mbit/s to 12 [20:19] bug tracker for slack? [20:20] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [20:20] van_ (~van@79.107.202.55) joined ##slackware. [20:26] slackboy joined ##slackware. [20:26] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.227) joined ##slackware. [20:27] i scared patrick volkerding away with a comment a long time ago [20:27] :P it was funny. but it was a joke [20:28] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [20:28] Refused telnet@proxyscan.freenode.net (invalid handle: CONNECT 2) [20:28] i think alienBOB has more power than Patrick anyway [20:29] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:30] hmm I don't get this mtrr.... [20:30] we debate that constantly [20:30] Xgates: this looks ugly... I had these errors on a HD for a few days before it died :( [20:30] Skywise, srsly? [20:30] this is for memory ;p [20:30] NTU: Patrick is the project leader and the one that does most of the work. And all final decisions comes from Patrick. [20:30] mtrr errors? having to do with a hard drive? usually they're video/X11 related [20:30] no [20:31] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_Type_Range_Registers [20:31] has nothing to do with hdd hehe [20:31] PiterPunk, Patrick didnt do all the heavy 64-bit lifting [20:31] Anyone knows of a good program like Kdiff, but for GTK? Or at least without KDE deps. [20:31] Xgates: ah, OK, so my memory is bad... [20:31] np [20:31] yah, nothing in linux much uses MTRRs except the X server [20:31] I know one for ncurses [20:31] johndee: just use diff [20:31] we all do our work in the name of pat [20:31] Patrick is a genius [20:31] well I left out some stuff, but that was more of the prototype fonts and some of the drivers [20:32] but he has good social skillz too [20:32] and he's a snappy dresser [20:32] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) joined ##slackware. [20:32] so he's more like a God, than anything [20:32] that would be a maintainer [20:32] johndee: if you have to have GUI/no-KDE, I don't know if they still work, but look into tkdiff and/or xxdiff [20:32] NTU: I need something that has 2 panels [20:32] moar convenient [20:32] Xgates: it happened about a year ago... and my errors showed up in /var/log/messages... [20:32] would removing something from X create the problem if something was missing? [20:32] johndee: + and - isnt good enugh? [20:33] slakmagik: Bah. Thanks, I'll check them out [20:33] ehm, you're upgrading him from St. Volkerding to Volkerding of Olympus? [20:33] johndee: vim? [20:33] niels_horn: that's what I use (vimdiff) when I'm not using diff [20:34] alriight guys im takin off. slackers: take care. seriously [20:34] NTU: ? [20:34] slakmagik: yeah... works fine in console :) [20:34] johndee: i said im leaving and then i wished them a great day, sort of [20:34] I think he was asking about your +- diff comment [20:35] niels_horn: Uh. That could work. If I used it :) [20:35] NTU: nvm [20:35] I'm only running BB and there is nothing in any of the logs and when I log out into the console it just shows the message there is all [20:35] hmm [20:35] Action: Xgates scratches head [20:35] NTU (nutcase@unaffiliated/neo-the-user) left ##slackware ("Yonk Dough. Twist TWIST TWIST omg dude! u borke it! borke not a typo"). [20:36] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: riza [20:37] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [20:39] johndee: there is also gvimdiff if you don't like the console :) [20:40] well how about something else, where does Slack have fbdev, or load it from? [20:40] X log gives me this --- warning couldn't open module fbdev [20:41] not sure if it's really needed since the fb seems to be working ok [20:46] this is weird I don't have any raid installed as far as I know of in Slack yet in dmesg I get a few lines like this: [20:46] raid6: int32x1 632 MB/s [20:47] this RC2 seems to have a few flukes going on [20:48] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:48] wario, got my sound finally working. It seems that it was a missing enable_msi=1 option at the /etc/modprobe.d/sound :) now it's working fine. Bad is just that everybody is sleeping now so no possibility to use it :P hehe [20:48] niels_horn: Not that I don't like it. Quite the opposite. But I prefer GUI, when I can [20:48] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.84.105) joined ##slackware. [20:49] niels_horn: Thanks. I've found three options for now [20:49] :) [20:50] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [20:50] Or rather, when it's more efficient [20:50] johndee: ok :) I'm old-school, used to terminals, so I use vim for about everything... [20:51] niels_horn: How old-school? [20:51] %) [20:52] johndee: mainframe-times-old-school... 3270 terminals with green displays :) [20:52] oh I got it now, it's the dang huge kernel with all this raid stuff [20:53] editing in TSO and writing scripts in JCL [20:53] you saying you have papercut scars from punch cards? [20:53] Urchlay: hehe... had a lot of them :D [20:53] jrt055 (~jason@c-98-196-24-103.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:54] niels_horn: I've seen those from under the table. Makes me more new-school I guess :) [20:55] johndee: But don't get me wrong, I do like GUI programs as well :) [20:55] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: shit [20:55] I just love Debian repos. ~1700 results for "diff" query :D [20:55] like xterms! [20:55] guis are pretty awful for tasks that are intrinsically text-based (like IRC or a text editor) [20:56] See you in a couple of years. lol [20:56] but I'd hate to try to usefully use the web with nothing but lynx or links [20:57] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:57] saw a guy trying to figure out how to use a GUI version of grep once (wingrep it was maybe called), looked like he'd failed before he started [20:58] Urchlay: wow... That must be very complicated! [20:58] Urchlay: btw, I do use links once in a while from the terminal... Google and gmail work fine in text mode :) [20:59] well it had a text entry box for the actual regex... process was something like... select file(s) to search, enter regex, results get shown in a pane below the input UI... and he could double-click the files out of the results to edit them [21:00] couldn't imagine a GUI regex builder system [21:00] browsing in text mode would be okay if people designed web pages with that in mind - they do stuff like use css and put all the navigational crap first instead of last so you have to pgdn for years before hitting content and so on [21:00] slakmagik++ [21:01] slakmagik: agreed... [21:02] I successfully used an Atari 800 as a serial terminal on a Linux box, managed to post a message on the atariage.com forum saying "I'm posting this from my Atari!"... but it was pretty painful/time-consuming to use the forum software [21:03] I used to help a blind guy with a TTS interface. Some pages actually work nice in text browsers, but some (most?) are impossible [21:03] people keep dreaming about doing a real browser on those old machines... that have 64K of RAM. Most HTML pages are bigger than that these days... [21:03] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:04] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:05] Srbo: what is enable_msi=1? [21:07] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:09] JackStoner (~ezekiel@203.121.25.62) joined ##slackware. [21:10] how do i change the WM from thunar to nautilus???? [21:10] thunar isn't a window manager :( [21:11] does anything in Slack require obex? [21:11] bluez stuff, Xgates [21:11] ok thanks [21:12] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [21:12] sorry, i mean file manager [21:12] how do i use nautilus instead of thunar [21:13] I think you'd need to switch distros, wouldn't you? [21:13] wario, i think it may be message signaled interrupts. it has something to do with pci express. i think this must be enabled at my computer. I'm not sure, if it's really that thing, but I can imagine it like this [21:13] why would i wanna switch distros? [21:13] i got it from a bug-report. if it is interessting to you I will search the link again for you? [21:13] oh, well, no, I guess you could be using gsb or something - I just meant nautilus isn't in stock slack or even sbo [21:14] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:14] but no, no one using slack should want to switch distros ;) [21:14] slakmagik, lets assume that i DO have nautilus (which i do) how do i switch from thunar?? [21:16] I guess that would depend on your window manager and how you launch either but, sorry, I don't use that sort of thing and probably can't help. [21:17] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:17] IOW, I'd just edit fvwm's menu and voila, I'd've switch file managers [21:17] s/switch/&ed/ [21:17] whats fvwm menu?? [21:18] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:18] I only have firewall rule to allow outbound udp and yet dhcp manages to get a lease. Weird [21:19] fvwm is what I use for a window manager [21:19] so u dont use xfce?? [21:21] no, sorry - I would guess you could switch it by going to xfce settings thing and I think it has a 'preferred applications' widget - you should be able to switch it there [21:22] but I couldn't say for sure - lots of people in here do use xfce - don't know why no one's piped up yet [21:22] mmhh...i havent been able to...anyways, thanks for the help [21:22] johndee: Did you check tkdiff? It's on sourceforge. No libs needed, small & simple... [21:22] Can someone please tell me a package that they are *sure* is downloadable through slackpkg. Nothing I try is present in the repos [21:22] JackStoner: wasn't much, but you're welcome :) [21:23] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [21:23] slakmagik, i kno rite :P ....its ok :D [21:23] van_ (~van@79.107.202.55) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:24] twoshot_, try kernel... has to be there :) [21:25] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:25] Srbo, k :) [21:25] slakmagik, do u happen to know how to edit the menu in xfce? [21:25] niels_horn: Not yet. Checking out Meld atm [21:25] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:25] johndee: I think Meld needs a lot of Gnome libs :( [21:26] It has kernel :). Guess I'm just trying stuff that doesn't exist. [21:26] it looks like that'S the case, yes :P [21:26] JackStoner: you want to edit the menu or the shortcut in the panel? [21:26] niels_horn, the menu [21:27] I guess nautilus is not in the menu, right? You want to add it? [21:27] Srbo, I realize I should read the manual for this, but as a quick idea, how does it use a plain text string I put in? Does it match all packages that have that string in their name? [21:27] xfce does not have a menu editor (at least not in this version) [21:28] To add an item, you need to create a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/ [21:28] I think it searches with OR... [21:28] niels_horn, i gave up on the nautilus issue...i just want to add some items on the menu [21:28] word1 or word2 etc. [21:28] JackStoner: OK. Take a look in /usr/share/applications/ [21:29] niels_horn, cant i copy a .desktop that exists?? there's a LOT of those files :P [21:29] The .desktop files are simple text files. Just create a new one there. [21:29] JackStoner: sure. Just edit it and save it under a new name. [21:29] k [21:29] which file??? [21:30] get one of the .desktop files and edit it with your preferred editor. [21:31] change the "Name=" / "Exec=" / "Icon=" lines [21:31] niels_horn, you keep saying one of the files, which one specifically should i get? coz i still want the existing items on the menu [21:31] niels_horn: Well, that's why I was asking about not-KDE app. I'm on Gnome so that's fine. Actually, it didn't fetch a dep. Just one package [21:31] then save it as "yourprogram.desktop" [21:31] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6A911.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] get any file from that directory as an example. [21:31] johndee: slackware doesn't ship with gnome. [21:32] Saving in with a new name creates a new menu entry. [21:32] niels_horn, as a template?? ok, thanks [21:32] thumbs: Really? o_O [21:32] %) [21:32] johndee: surely, you used a third-party tool or distro to get it. [21:32] and can i move the items in a submenu?? [21:32] JackStoner: here's a link for doing all the specialized stuff [21:32] http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html [21:33] Isn't gnome one of the packages you can select to install at installation? [21:33] twoshot_: no. [21:33] In Xfce you can put them in one of the "Categories", like "Graphics", "Office", etc [21:33] Hm, ok. [21:33] thumbs: Yep. It's not that I try to hide it :) [21:33] Xfce does not have subcategories... [21:33] ok, will try it... [21:34] http://slackware.com/install/softwaresets.php ... It says GNOME... [21:34] Did they take it out [21:34] yeah - around 10 [21:34] guess that page hasn't been updated in a few years [21:34] After creating the file, run "update-desktop-database -q /usr/share/applications" from the command line [21:34] twoshot_: in 10.0 [21:34] thumbs, ah ok [21:35] goj (~goj@p5488FF36.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:35] twoshot_: http://www.nielshorn.net/slackware/slack_versions.php [21:35] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:35] 10.1 was the last Slackware wth gnome [21:36] niels_horn, cool. thanks. [21:36] oh, right. [21:36] Date: Sat Mar 26 23:04:41 PST 2005 : gnome/*: Removed from -current, and turned over to community support and distribution. [21:36] (from the 10.2 ChangeLog) [21:37] thankfully. [21:37] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:37] thumbs: That's arguable [21:37] johndee: you're probably the only user that likes gnome here. [21:38] thumbs: I wonder if I'm the only user who hates KDE here? %) [21:38] johndee: Nooooo... definitely not :) [21:38] I don't really hate it, just don't like it ;) [21:38] thumbs: And yes. If I were to switch to Linux desktop completely that'd be Gnome and nothing else. Well, maybe console too :) [21:39] johndee: like I said, the exception here. [21:39] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [21:39] Why do people dislike gnome? [21:39] thumbs: I don't mind :) [21:40] niels_horn: Same here. It's fine, but I have better options, so I don't use it. [21:41] during slack install if you leave the generic and huge picked then after you bootup for the first time run mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.33.4 -m ext4 and then uninstall huge, you [21:41] you're good to go with the generic? [21:45] JackStoner (~ezekiel@203.121.25.62) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:45] JackStoner (~ezekiel@203.121.25.60) joined ##slackware. [21:45] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:46] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:46] greetings and salutations [21:47] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [21:47] hi andarius [21:47] niels_horn: If they only hired a good interface designer it could become a nice DE. And, well, worked on usability too. Because for me the problem with it is that it shows you A LOT of stuff that's not actually needed. I think it's called bloat :D [21:48] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:48] latemus (~latemus@c-67-177-8-122.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:49] johndee: eh, yeah... For me KDE has too much of that... [21:49] latemus (~latemus@c-67-177-8-122.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:49] Desktop widgets, tons of unneeded info on screen. Pfft [21:50] Like I said before, I'm old-school... Functionality for me is important. I don't care about all these effects they put in. But that's *my* personal opinion. [21:50] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:50] salutations dive [21:50] So for me, Xfce is great. Offers everything I need. [21:51] xfce ftw !! [21:51] And that youtube video. Some guys took a lappy with KDE4 on it and started showing it to people in the streets saying "Look, new windows is out! How do you like it?" [21:51] And I prefer to use my processing power for useful things :) [21:52] That was uber-ridiculous [21:53] I mean, who cares if it rips off Windows or anything. It doesn't matter if it works and is easy to handle [21:55] jimmy_ (~jimmy@117.198.162.215) joined ##slackware. [21:55] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:57] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-186.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:57] Nick change: jimmy_ -> Posiedon [21:58] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:58] niels_horn: it's funny you should say that, considering how xfce is not the lightest kid on the block :) [21:58] xfce used to be light 3 years ago [21:58] that is true, but he also said it offers everything he needs :) [21:59] ananke: And it *is* lighter than KDE :) [21:59] niels_horn: certainly, just not as light as some other minimal desktop environments or even window managers :) [22:00] niels_horn: then again, there are people who use kde and find it to fit their functionality requirements [22:00] I find it a good compromise between the minimalist WMs (I used to use BlackBox) and full-blown KDE [22:01] niels_horn: indeed, it's the middle of the road. you may want to try lxde too [22:01] ananke: Oh, and I have no problems with that at all. Nothing against KDE and I help people who use KDE. Slackware gives us the choice of DEs / WMs... [22:01] It would be nice to see Pat next put in LXDE [22:02] Xgates: agreed... [22:02] Xgates: indeed. it would be a very fitting DE for slackware [22:02] yep [22:03] hey so I was asking before if I install generic and huge then after the first boot up run mkinitrd I should be good to go with the generic kernel and I can then uninstall huge? [22:03] JackStoner (~ezekiel@203.121.25.60) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:04] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:04] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:04] xrandr <3 [22:04] ok guys come on now this is a Slack channel not Ubuntu, that's not a trick question [22:04] LOL [22:05] Posiedon (~jimmy@117.198.162.215) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:05] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:05] Xgates: I would always leave the huge kernel as a "safe" emergency kernel [22:05] No need to uninstall it [22:05] whats the question? ;) [22:06] well I'm a bit of an old slacker mentality a stickler for taking out what I don't need, or rather, not just installing anything... [22:07] didn't you create slackcare? [22:07] or am i mistaken ? :D [22:07] personally I've never used a kernel that needed all that in it [22:07] JackStoner (~ezekiel@203.121.25.63) joined ##slackware. [22:07] fhobia: yeah that was my site hehe [22:07] XD cool [22:07] if I had the time I would of kept it going [22:08] :) [22:08] hmm 33.4 seems a little sluggish on thawing [22:11] Action: fhobia moves the irssi window to his second monitor [22:11] ...a 40" tv [22:11] now provide me with entertainment chatters !!! [22:11] you are replacing tv [22:12] i wasn't aware we we here for your amusement [22:12] you didn't get my memo ? [22:12] nope - I was trying to sleep [22:13] i knew you had to sleep eventually, alisonken1home [22:13] :) [22:13] however, between cars going in the shop and dental, been a little short this week [22:13] :3 [22:15] hmm with only blackbox installed on the RC2 when I log out of BB I keep getting this in the console: [22:15] error setting MTRR (base = 0x80000000, size = 0x10000000, type = 1) Inappropriate ioctl for device (25) [22:15] never had any MTRR errors before in Linux [22:16] whats an MTRR error ? [22:16] s/an/a/ [22:17] I think it has to do with the drive [22:17] JackStoner (~ezekiel@203.121.25.63) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:17] lol, i cannot see what you are guys are typing when doing 1920x1080 [22:17] MTRR=Memory Type Range Registers [22:18] Xgates, thanks - been a while [22:18] JackStoner (~ezekiel@203.121.25.63) joined ##slackware. [22:18] let us know what the ubuntu folks say [22:18] cause i don't know :( [22:23] hmm how can i get a list of modes supported by my monitor [22:23] feels like i've seen this in the xorg logs or something [22:24] fhobia: I think it's vbetest [22:24] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:25] JackStoner (~ezekiel@203.121.25.63) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:25] fhobia: hm, I think I built vbetest or downloaded it... [22:25] not a standard Slackware thing [22:25] Xgates: the short answer is yes you can remove it. do note I say "the short answer" [22:26] ok, thanks, niels_horn [22:26] fhobia: My screen is 1920x1080 but only 23" :) [22:26] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [22:26] :) well, at least you can see i bet [22:26] lol [22:26] remove what, you talking about huge after running mkintird? [22:27] oh, man, i'm a dope...just typing xrandr lists them, niels_horn [22:27] lol [22:27] |Slacker| (~cris@189.64.170.197) joined ##slackware. [22:27] fhobia: ok :) [22:27] Xgates: sorry, I was really late to respond to it. the huge kernel [22:27] vbetest if for the console [22:28] ok [22:28] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:28] i haven't been on the console for eons [22:28] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Changing host [22:28] RaNdY (randy@shellium/member/randy) joined ##slackware. [22:29] 1360x768 <3 [22:32] andarius: ok [22:32] JackStoner (~ezekiel@203.121.25.61) joined ##slackware. [22:32] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [22:33] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:33] does anyone know if Thunar can be used under Blackbox, or from what I can see the extra deps/libs seemed to have been added into the xfce slack pkg [22:33] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) joined ##slackware. [22:33] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:33] like exo is needed but I never saw this as a pkg to install [22:34] slackware's xfce is a big ball of all the required packages last I looked at it [22:35] those required for xfce that is [22:35] yea Pat just rolls it all into one pkg [22:36] but strange how he made the power management and thunar like extra pkgs to install [22:36] can we report bugs at info@slackware.com [22:37] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:38] mranderson_ (~functiono@adsl-99-141-206-127.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:38] hello folks [22:39] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:40] Xgates: not sure really. ask a few times in here over a period of time and I wager you will get a very vlid answer from some one who does know [22:40] salutations mranderson_ [22:40] damn dude [22:40] JackStoner (~ezekiel@203.121.25.61) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:40] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:40] i wonder if i could go tri-monitor with lvds, hdmi, and vga [22:40] ? [22:40] i shouldn't be mranderson.. damn you xchat. [22:41] neo instead ? [22:41] :P [22:41] hahaha [22:41] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.34.212) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:41] could use more trinities [22:41] my screen is really just green numbers [22:41] /nick agentsmith [22:41] haha [22:41] you're fucked now [22:41] yeah dude.. you're gonna spawn unlimited copies everywhere [22:42] "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr... Baggins" [22:42] rofl @ Urchlay [22:42] mranderson_ (functiono@adsl-99-141-206-127.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [22:43] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:43] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:43] functionoverform (~functiono@adsl-99-141-206-127.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:44] be damned. Sitting here for last 10 mins trying to figure out why my load average was at 0.35 while CPU was at 1% [22:44] functionoverform (~functiono@adsl-99-141-206-127.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:44] turns out, if you smbmount a windows share, then power off the windows box without umounting, it keeps the load around 0.35 [22:45] wups? [22:45] (that was like 2 days ago the guy with the win box left, too) [22:45] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) joined ##slackware. [22:46] slackin (~slackin@68.204.232.100) joined ##slackware. [22:46] slackin (~slackin@68.204.232.100) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:46] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-091-096-101-072.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [22:47] I have pciutils installed in the RC2 but there is no lspci, I thought it was suppose to be in this pack? [22:48] you sure you just don't have a user who doesn't have /sbin in his PATH? [22:48] $ grep bin/lspci /var/adm/packages/* [22:48] /var/adm/packages/pciutils-3.1.5-i486-1:sbin/lspci [22:48] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [22:48] (that's on the laptop running RC2, even) [22:49] I have pciutils-3.1.5_x86_64 installed [22:49] Posiedon_99 (~jimmy@117.198.162.215) joined ##slackware. [22:49] hmm [22:49] slackin (~slackin@68.204.232.100) joined ##slackware. [22:49] Xgates: something must have happened. /sbin/lspci definitely exists in slackware/a/pciutils-3.1.5-i486-1.txz & slackware64/a/pciutils-3.1.5-x86_64-1.txz [22:49] Xgates: as root try "which lspci" [22:49] I don't have an x86_64 install of RC2 (yet, anyway) [22:50] slackin (~slackin@68.204.232.100) left irc: Client Quit [22:50] Posiedon_99 (~jimmy@117.198.162.215) left irc: Client Quit [22:50] Poseidon_99 (~jimmy@117.198.162.215) joined ##slackware. [22:50] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:51] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:51] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:52] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:52] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: Bang Bang!!!! [22:55] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:55] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [22:55] i can not haz triple monitor :C [22:58] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@ppp-69-215-51-3.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [22:58] ahh it's not in my path is all [22:58] it's there [22:58] evening all [22:58] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-186.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:58] link this somewhere its one of the best intro into the linux graphics architecture at all : http://leeews.bokee.com/2780152.html [22:59] Poseidon_99 (~jimmy@117.198.162.215) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [23:01] hey applauze plizz :P if you don't know better tut :P [23:02] when's 13.1 coming out? [23:03] tomorrow, 6 am [23:03] alright nice. will this one be able to put in virtualbox [23:03] what timezone? [23:03] I always thought it was "when it's ready" [23:03] gmt [23:03] fuzzbawl, right. [23:03] or "Before Duke Nukem Forever" [23:03] but the last one is moot [23:04] man, i haven't thought of duke nukem in ages... [23:05] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:05] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:05] artaud (~artaud@187.113.119.49) joined ##slackware. [23:05] artaud (~artaud@187.113.119.49) left irc: Changing host [23:05] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [23:08] i'm trying to install duke in freebsd haha [23:08] or actually i think it was quake. [23:08] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.136) joined ##slackware. [23:08] vincen_ (~chatzilla@222.70.17.84) joined ##slackware. [23:16] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-153-20.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:17] edthix1 (~ed@175.144.229.97) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:20] At Lilo boot menu can you make edits to add so you can get your kernel to boot I forgot to add in initrd to lilo.conf [23:20] you can do that in lilo !? [23:20] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:21] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:21] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [23:21] hoobop: go search for eduke32 on slackbuilds.org :) [23:22] jrt05 (~jason@c-98-196-24-103.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:25] I have a 800mhz, 128mb RAM, 17.5GB HDD. How would slackware run on this machine? I don't want an X-window system. Just console mode. [23:26] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:26] should run fine. I've got a 333mhz system witn 64M ram running as a router [23:27] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:27] Urchlay: will do [23:27] or was that a 66MHz system witn 16M ram running as a remote login console? been a while. [23:28] Ok, sounds good. thanks alisonken1home [23:31] 16M ram ... [23:31] no wayyyy [23:31] you need like 24M just to install i think . . . [23:31] I have my old 120mhz 16mb ram 1.2gb 14400bps modem machine with win3.1 however I don't think 1.2 gbs will be large enough for anything [23:32] throw it out [23:32] lol [23:32] i worked really hard to get slack working on a sx 33 mhz [23:32] slackware "can" fit in 300 mb or so. no X thought :) [23:32] but when i was done ...i didn't know what to do with it [23:32] lol [23:33] and i realized it was just stupid [23:33] Tabmow (terry@freenode/staff/tabmow) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:33] (slack 3.3) [23:33] Tabmow (terry@freenode/staff/tabmow) joined ##slackware. [23:33] I trimmed 13 down to about 298 mb for a headless machine once [23:33] iirc, 3.0 came with "Slackware Unleashed" [23:33] I used to have a P166 MMX, the oem one with the fake pearl top coating on the outside [23:34] I don't even know if my machine has pci slots. When did they come out? this is an old packard bell. I'd rather not use it without remote login. [23:34] yeah, you want to stay away from packard bell [23:34] lol [23:34] as remote as possible [23:34] packard hell [23:34] yes, we need to rewrite slackbook as a comic book [23:35] running those machines day in and day out are a waste of electricity [23:35] alienBOB would be the villian cause he's an alien [23:35] *those old machines even [23:36] gh0st (~gh0st@c-67-182-57-230.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:37] I'm trying to do the lfs project on my 17gb hdd machine. So I probably need to dedicate at leaset 5gb for slackware, and the rest for my linux build. I assume slackware is the best for this project. [23:37] so uh, for the new guy.... slackbuilds and installpkg are how you get stuff installed right? because i installed smart but im not sure how to use it [23:38] installpkg is for a local pkg [23:38] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:38] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:38] well yea, once you build it, it becomes local lol [23:38] yes sir [23:38] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:39] do you need help with slackpkg? [23:39] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:39] kpackage [23:39] gh0st: did it make the package after you used the slackbuild? [23:40] i know how to use slackbuild and install, im just wondering what Kpackage is for [23:41] guess im slacking heh, ill come back when i have a real question [23:41] i don't think most people use kpackage, gh0st [23:41] not even sure what that is [23:41] we use slackpkg [23:42] yes sir [23:42] i don't even have that on my system and i did a full install [23:42] i will look into that [23:42] sounds like a kde package manager of sorts [23:42] like ark kinda? [23:42] graphical [23:42] yep [23:42] yeah, i've never used that [23:42] throw it away [23:42] lol [23:43] ah well i will look for slackpkg [23:43] got the the cli in root and use slackpkg its like apt and pretty easy to use [23:43] slackpkg is on the slackdisc i believe [23:43] how do you use slapt-get? [23:43] throw away slapt-get [23:43] use sbopkg [23:43] lol [23:44] its to debian-ey [23:44] slackpkg is the new slapt-get [23:44] slackpkg ftw [23:44] mt, thanks guys. do you use remove with removepkg? [23:44] yeah [23:44] there is also a remove function in slackpkg [23:45] so i'm pretty confused about something here on my laptop, it won't automount my flash drives anymore? [23:45] it sees it under lsusb [23:45] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:45] but doesn't appear to want to have anything to do with it [23:46] in kde ? [23:46] fire|bird: hah [23:46] yeah [23:46] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:46] its just on the laptop too, the desktop sees it just fine [23:47] fire|bird: stupid? [23:47] fire|bird: lol [23:47] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [23:48] fire|bird: WHY? [23:48] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [23:48] is it just me or does it look like wario is talking to himself [23:48] or did i accidentally ignore fire|bird [23:48] hehe [23:48] in slack for X log in /var/log is it Xorg.0.log? [23:49] you hav no ide [23:49] fhobia: stranger things have happened [23:49] i will kill others [23:49] ;) [23:50] Xgates: yeah [23:50] wario_ (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-pbatuzuwxzoznixx) joined ##slackware. [23:50] I deleted it by mistake, so I made an empty file but there is nothing being put in it, hmmm [23:50] did you restart X ? [23:50] oh my bad hehe [23:50] thanks [23:51] file descriptor probably pointing to the deleted one [23:51] fuck [23:51] what the fack [23:51] ... [23:51] musssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss [23:51] BE GOD [23:52] Action: fhobia kicks irssi ...is this thing working? [23:52] ff [23:52] no [23:52] FFF [23:52] ff [23:52] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [23:52] yorick (~a@c-24-147-175-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:52] /w/ 3 [23:53] fuck [23:53] whatever irc client wario_ is using remind me not to use it [23:53] lol [23:53] or damn [23:53] you would like to [23:53] masterslakk (mastersla@adsl-99-30-144-105.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [23:53] go fuck yourelf [23:54] I wonder if slackwarez still causes an auto kick [23:54] wario (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-jcmcrqbakalljwhr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:54] as i would [23:54] apparently not [23:54] fuzzbawl: o o ? [23:54] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] fucl [23:54] ke [23:55] fuzzbawl: sadly an op is needed for 90% of it lately. and they seem to be rather busy with other things [23:55] fuzzbawl: thing is dumbaass [23:55] andarius: you fuck yourseflf? [23:55] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:55] what happened to the tux bot or whatever he was? [23:55] 'wow [23:55] wooo [23:55] hooo [23:55] fuch [23:55] when do you log in as root if you can su? [23:55] ylu [23:55] bomthere [23:55] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:56] gh0st: pretty much never [23:56] motherfucker [23:56] SiegeX- (219@c-76-102-150-28.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:56] the bot is still here I think [23:56] fucking [23:56] ay [23:56] fuzzbawl: stfu [23:56] ]fine [23:56] rworkman_ (3356@connie.slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [23:56] stfu [23:56] fu [23:56] andarius: bot must be having issues paying attention then :D [23:56] go to hell [23:56] i'll have whatever he is on [23:56] lol [23:56] mquin- (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) joined ##slackware. [23:56] jewbacca_ (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:56] fuch you [23:56] jgor_ (jgor@odin.indiecom.org) joined ##slackware. [23:57] ElitestF1 (~ElitestFX@c-98-229-60-65.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[23:57] rwork [23:57] rworkman: greetings [23:57] holy flood of clones :o [23:58] ay [23:58] did wario leave? [23:58] no [23:58] SiegeX (219@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Disconnected by services [23:58] he was like a child on acid or something [23:58] he's probably typing on an invisible keyboard [23:58] talking to himself [23:58] yeah lol [23:58] do i want my etc folder to be owned by root? i cant write to it [23:59] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) got netsplit. [23:59] jdetring (~jay@70.234.189.83) got netsplit. [23:59] admboom (~mf@fw1-aus1.rackspace.net) got netsplit. [23:59] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) got netsplit. [23:59] rahaha (~a@c-24-147-175-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) got netsplit. [23:59] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.21.158) got netsplit. [23:59] johndee (~id@95-29-184-68.broadband.corbina.ru) got netsplit. [23:59] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) got netsplit. [23:59] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) got netsplit. [23:59] jimi (~jimi@danix.eaerich.com) got netsplit. [23:59] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) got netsplit. [23:59] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) got netsplit. [23:59] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@75.42.83.116) got netsplit. [23:59] gh0st: do not mess with permissions if you dont know what you are doing [23:59] su works just fine [23:59] based on that question, I feel it is safe to say you do not [23:59] if you need to do something, su it up [23:59] ,/w /- [00:00] --- Thu May 20 2010