[00:00] briareus (n=briareus@ip24-251-35-116.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:00] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:00] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:00] cryptic0: I'm going to jump in early here and suggest you check out lua (http://www.lua.org) [00:00] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [00:01] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-141-152-144-238.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Life is the greatest source...Seek it out and see how it compiles!" [00:01] it's a lot quicker to learn than python [00:01] cryptic0 well, if your data is tabular, use a spreadsheet [00:01] cryptic0 determine if the spreadsheet can be scripted, use expect.1 maybe [00:02] lua might be good too [00:02] is there an editor that's like nano but I can use ncurses with it (or whatever would let me do things like "highlight text with mouse")? [00:02] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-141-152-144-238.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:02] tripFantastic: are you referring to anything in particular by these .1 thingis? [00:02] mc's editor [00:02] cryptic0 sections of manp/ that the page would be in [00:02] man/ [00:02] mcedit [00:02] stu [00:02] sc.1.gz [00:02] is it installed on slackware by default [00:03] yes [00:03] part of mc [00:03] no manual entry for sc.1 [00:03] slackware 13 [00:03] read mc manpage stuartpb [00:03] reroute (n=user@S0106001cf0f31c55.wp.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:03] tripFantastic: ok but I got man sc [00:03] yea that 1 [00:04] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [00:04] too bad bin/man doesnt parse n.1 manpge naming; lame [00:04] spreadsheet calculator [00:04] that's it [00:04] frullet (n=hooch@203-206-19-122.dyn.iinet.net.au) left ##slackware. [00:05] since i forgot my password i'll make this quick. Two questions, first off is how to recover a lost nickserv password and the other why does slackware heat up my cpu to the point where it crashes? [00:05] slackware doesnt, some app does. what are you running? [00:05] slack 13, and crashed 3 times during install! [00:05] as for psswd, ask a stuffer [00:05] bad hardware [00:06] i though so too, damn walmart [00:06] broken cpu fan maybe [00:06] *thought [00:06] that's easy to fix [00:06] replace/add a new/used one [00:06] yeah is your fan running and is your heatsink attached? [00:06] it's a laptop for one way under a year old [00:06] or use a vaacum :) [00:06] get a cooling pad [00:07] haha, i blew, i blew [00:07] heh [00:07] reroute: would you by any chance happen to have a SiS graphics card? [00:08] reroute does lm-sensors or someth work to turn down cpu speed? [00:08] night,folks...all, take care [00:08] gn [00:08] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-141-152-144-238.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Life is the greatest source...Seek it out and see how it compiles!" [00:09] stuartpb: problems with slack13 install and SIS? [00:09] negative on the SiS. Yeah turning down cpu speed seems a but redundant don't it? [00:09] itll reduce over-heating [00:09] briareus: actually problems with ubuntu and my system fan is never not running [00:09] fluke (n=fluke@86-45-85-201-dynamic.b-ras2.srl.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [00:09] hmm [00:09] macius (n=macius@i209-195-65-38.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [00:10] and lm-sensors sees nothing [00:10] I never hear my system fan at all [00:10] nor do i [00:10] fluke (n=fluke@86-45-85-201-dynamic.b-ras2.srl.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:10] me either [00:10] mainly because I don't have one.. but still... [00:10] but my box isnt right next to my ear either [00:10] this is my laptop I'm talking about [00:10] same here [00:10] yea [00:10] oh... my fan on my laptop is always on [00:10] right now I'm running at 36C/39C on the two cores [00:10] it's annoying [00:11] hey does anyone have a macbook hee and decided to install a linux distro on it, even salckware? cause im havingt troubles witht eh keymap so far the only one that alows me to do the partition formatting is usa unix keymap although that results in all my keys being capital.. =( mac overcomplicaes life so much lol [00:11] your laptop has two cpus? [00:11] o_o [00:11] but I'm compiling, playing music, and running virtual machines [00:11] well, core2 duo [00:11] what's lmsensor's binary name? [00:11] macius: why the fuck are you trying to install linux on a macbook? [00:11] just use what's already there [00:11] o_o [00:11] PenPerk1 (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:11] yeah, my laptop didn't have as much trouble when it was running winxp, and also I could monitor my core temperature and such with mobimon [00:12] luck you briareus i think my amd64 would have a heart attack at this point, ain't even a year old! hp's getting a phone call that's for sure [00:12] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.40) joined ##slackware. [00:12] PenPerk1 (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:12] there are gui frontends to hw sensing [00:12] visit fresjmeat/sourceforge [00:12] kde has one too [00:12] matsuura: osx died on me in the past month twice, the iditos at genious bar cant replace my harddisk cause there scan is not showing any problems , although darwin was showing me an io error, so im assumgin the hard disk is malfunction [00:12] reroute: this is a 2.5 year old Dell 1420 laptop, nothing special [00:12] so i want to try a diff os [00:12] and see if it crashes [00:12] fluke (n=fluke@86-45-85-201-dynamic.b-ras2.srl.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [00:12] no; a different dist; not a diff os [00:12] the os is always linux. [00:13] lmao osx is bsd unix archtexture not linux [00:13] ;) [00:13] yea [00:13] oh ok [00:13] tripFantastic: xsensors starts up at 0x0 size by consequense of sensors not understanding any of my hardware [00:13] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:13] splitting hairs heh. change to windows if you want a new os :D [00:13] stuartpb ok [00:13] Rolenun heh [00:13] macius: so get another hdd? [00:13] semanticks [00:13] >_> [00:13] Action: briareus pukes in windows, then craps on it, then pukes on the crap [00:13] you're running zfs right? [00:13] ew [00:13] briareus, this one is hp and so far so bad. framebuffer's, now cpu... oy vey [00:14] but yeah im trying to get freebsd runnning atm, first time playing with that os, i just like how its the same basis as mac, using slackware on my desktop + this channel seems alot more knowlegable than any freebsd bs channel so asking here [00:14] yea [00:14] cofe [00:14] macius: try slax http://slax.org [00:14] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:14] surprisingly the installing is a middle finger compared to slackware =P not saying slackware is a bitch but its supossibly "expert installion" lol [00:15] a graphical for crypsetup would be nice.. hint hint [00:15] also, freebsd same "basis" as mac? are you talking about how Darwin is forked from FreeBSD because um [00:15] . [00:15] thanks for the help folks, always a pleasure [00:15] I like slack just the way it is [00:15] yw [00:16] darwin isent built on freebsd i know although it has many of the teh same software [00:16] i wish sS would do less overwriting of preciuos files [00:16] but if i cant do it by tomorrow [00:16] reroute (n=user@S0106001cf0f31c55.wp.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:16] ill ust toss slackware 13 i guess [00:16] s/sS/Sl/ [00:16] hopefully that wont be as bad [00:16] tosser [00:16] cricket[b] (i=cricket@ip98-164-87-51.no.no.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:16] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: [00:17] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:17] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: [00:19] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-165-129.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:20] tanamo (n=tanamo@125.252.70.230) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:21] macos has a bsd underbelly as does fbsd, that;s why [00:21] heh; "foundation" [00:21] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I'm done for now" [00:22] i think it's pretty neat that someone @Apple prevailed in convincing Jobs to use a BSD [00:22] and then they decide to use intel platform too? [00:22] those are serious changes at apple [00:22] pupiteee (n=p@93.87.129.51) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:23] talk about changing internally!!! [00:23] so yeah has anyone tried fbsd? :\ cause i just gave up right now instaling slack13 , although if someone would know what dumb fbsd keymap is needed for a mac plz tell me =P [00:23] the intel platform was probably more of a cost saving measure. Most stores dont make a great deal of money selling processors. :) [00:23] i tried to install it once; i got lost. [00:23] keep in mind it was prolly not a hard sell (unix to jobs). remember who founded NeXT [00:23] Rolenun yea but it's apple that changed!!! [00:24] that's true [00:24] i forgot about NeXT [00:25] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:25] macius: yeah I run fbsd on occasion, but, I prefer Slackware. [00:25] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:25] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:25] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:26] hitest: what keymap did you chose for installation? cause freebsd has alot of dvork based ones and that confuses me, like i litereally have no way of creating a partion since its recognizing a as a space =S lol [00:27] wrw_ (n=wrw@80.244.204.31) joined ##slackware. [00:27] cricket[b] (i=cricket@ip98-164-87-51.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:27] I used a us keymap [00:27] i got it done using usa unix like i mentioned prior, but that lead my whole keymap to be based on caps so no way of switching directories [00:27] hm [00:28] or anythign that is* unix wise [00:29] i find the people in #freebsd very helpful btw. at least last i checked. and imo such specialized questions is very hard to be answered anywhere but there [00:30] ^kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@p5DC30EEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Client Quit [00:30] btw hows the slackgnome de? is it actually configured properly? cause i just heard systems like ubuntu have ppl working hard to get that de to fuction with the os properly [00:30] dont have to much expierve with gnome [00:30] mishehu (n=mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:31] gnome's not slack's strong suit. [00:31] just rather not had xfce or flux on my 3500$ macbook =P it can handle more [00:31] aw =( [00:31] lol [00:31] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-201-239.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Client Quit [00:31] just think how -well- it'd run xfce though [00:31] is not a case of if it can handle it. is more why waste power when you could use it [00:31] macius: why not just run os x on the macbook? just asking:) [00:32] i'd be hard pressed to not run osx + virtualbox for any linuxes i wanted to play with [00:32] mancha [gnome] some would disagree [00:32] hence the gnome pkgs being built elsewhere [00:33] that's fine, i'm not fragile, disagree away [00:33] that's all i got :) [00:33] FriedBob (n=Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [00:33] heh, that was quick and painless :) [00:33] sure [00:34] crashed on me twice this month .. genious bar if full of idiots.. i need to explain this to alot of ppl but yeah basically if my dies with slack on it ill now its a harddisk problem if not osx is really unstable cause if you supposebly kill the lauch daemon process your system slowly dies ( thats what macstore ppl told me :D i really doubt its true lol ) [00:34] fluke (n=fluke@86-45-85-201-dynamic.b-ras2.srl.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:34] FriedBob (n=Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Client Quit [00:34] damn, use a semicolon already!!! [00:34] or a period [00:34] or speak less [00:34] that too [00:35] alright my bad [00:35] heh [00:36] wow, i like Univision tv; the women are quite curvaceous [00:36] is there a way to print manual page? [00:36] get a printer [00:36] ImpeachGeorgeBus (i=4453b0ee@gateway/web/freenode/x-hjvdxboqrbgoorqh) joined ##slackware. [00:36] kill a tree [00:36] tripFantastic: :) I have a printer. [00:36] use it [00:37] ImpeachGeorgeBus i think your're too late (nick) [00:37] can I copy contents of a man page to a text/word file? [00:37] You can't kill a living thing. [00:37] man -t [00:37] cryptic0 sure [00:37] macius: I have no idea what you're doing to your macbook, but, I administer my daughter's macbook and it is stable like a rock..never crashes. [00:37] brb, my dad's boyfriend is here. [00:37] hitest: really i did nothing at all taht could be malicious [00:37] TMI [00:38] lol [00:38] I think someone still actually prints the man pages on real paper [00:38] Why? [00:38] hitest: i think its a hardisk error although not positive [00:38] I know there was a nice bookshelf of them from AIX or something where I used to work [00:39] gthey must also print the Internet. [00:39] ImpeachGeorgeBus: gotta keep a backup somewhere [00:39] tuxdev were you linuxing back in the 90s? [00:39] pupiteee (n=p@93.87.207.163) joined ##slackware. [00:40] wrw (n=wrw@80.244.204.31) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:40] in the nineties I was single-digits [00:40] back then, i picked up the BIG linux book of manpages [00:40] For most of us, Linux was invented by IBM in 2005. [00:40] a BIG sucker of a book [00:40] ImpeachGeorgeBus heh [00:40] printed on rice paper [00:41] uva_ (i=bno@118-160-164-186.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:42] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-160-165-75.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:42] Nick change: ImpeachGeorgeBus -> ImpeachMcCain [00:42] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: "Leaving" [00:42] in the nineties I was using some Norton DOS environment [00:42] k [00:43] take your "my dad's boyfriend is here" crap elsewhere, kthxbai [00:43] i went from dos5+win31 right into linux back in the day [00:43] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-98-249-3-190.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:43] i fought win 3.1 by using GeOS [00:43] heh [00:43] can anyone point me to where i can go to read up on how to use icecast in slackware 12.2 [00:43] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.18.144) joined ##slackware. [00:43] google it [00:43] you guys think slack will recongize the mac trackpad? , installing it atm sso wont be sure till later but curious still [00:43] try it [00:43] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.18.144) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:43] boot a cd [00:43] try the live cd [00:44] im googling 'slackware icecast" [00:44] my magic 8 ball says ask again later [00:44] slackware has a livecd now? =S [00:44] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:44] lol [00:44] and not finding much [00:44] not that I know of [00:44] or try a dirivitive slack cd [00:44] would be interesting though [00:44] dir/der [00:44] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30EEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [00:45] I would think using icecast on Slackware is just like using icecast anywhere else, only more so [00:45] freebse (n=freebse@g227113082.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [00:45] freebse (n=freebse@g227113082.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:46] hexorcist (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:47] gnu+linux only seems to fudge up when I'm krunk. [00:47] why gnu+linux, i.e. why the gnu? [00:47] what does gnu+linux equal? [00:48] aceofspades19: shameless self promtion on GNUs part :P [00:48] waffles !! [00:48] s/gnu+linux/gnu+linux systems [00:48] cricket[b] (i=cricket@ip98-164-87-51.no.no.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:48] mmmm......waffles [00:48] is that you, RMS? [00:49] hey man, debian on freebsd. [00:49] i think when most people speak of linux they don't just mean the kernel. they mean the userland as well and not all the userland universe is produced by gnu. [00:49] byteframe: you like RMS I take it? [00:49] or a distro itself. [00:49] mancha: That's how I look at it [00:49] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:49] it's like the way "UNITED STATES" is abused too [00:50] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@220-136-225-80.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:50] hitest, I would prefer to to meet him without "prep". but he deserves respect. [00:50] multiple meanings [00:50] MADONNA FOR NEW WORLD ORDER PRESIDENT [00:50] heh [00:50] s/to to/not to [00:50] God no [00:50] obahmah rocques [00:50] pff [00:50] YES [00:50] OBAMA IS HOT [00:50] ImpeachMcCain tap the capkey? [00:50] tuxdev, im trying to get more familiar with slackware, [00:51] AEnima1577, `pkgtool` [00:51] AEnima1577 just keep using it [00:51] byteframe: agreed.he deserves respect. I just find him wanting linux to be called gnu-linux a bit silly. [00:51] byteframe, how is pkgtool going to help? [00:52] i see there is something in sbopkg [00:52] RMS is gross; he eats human feet. [00:52] but from there im a bit lost [00:52] What a gross cannibal [00:52] i have no idea how to get it going after installed [00:52] i cant even give bama that respect andI know that'sbad but really, i dont trust him and to me he seems to be everything contrary to what scripture says about people in govt. [00:52] that's how I evaluate him and his position in office. [00:53] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [00:53] tripFantastic, is my sarcasm meter broken or do you really mean that? [00:53] sometimes it's hard to tell with political stuff [00:53] hitest, hell no. the computer people who make all this often differentiate by project, which has a name, and linux is the just the kernel. I don't particaularriy care about using it in common discussion, but if it [00:53] tuxdev i'm serious, honest. [00:53] 's on the box, that's a plus. [00:54] ? [00:54] tuxdev i appreciate that you asked tho [00:54] i do loiter in ##Politics too [00:54] Plus the fsf's peeps, and I quess myself probably get off on being "put down". [00:55] I prefer to "wait and see" when it comes to Obama [00:55] byteframe it seems to me that ~rms took the linux name and used it without permission; is that how you recall it historically? [00:55] ##politics banned me after I exposed Bill Clinton as a closet homophobe in 19987. [00:55] lol [00:55] ImpeachMcCain really? [00:55] Yeah. They hold grudges, too. Still banned... [00:55] ok [00:55] you did earn it then :) [00:56] byteframe: I respect your point of view. I just am not that hung up on labels. The label Linux works for me. Each to his own, man;0 [00:56] anyone, dare to give the noob, some help on trying to figure out where to find info on icecast and how to use [00:56] That lilo guy is tough. [00:56] AEnima1577 on their homepage? [00:56] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [00:56] tripFantastic, I don't, since he and others in his vicinity most likely are using the concatenation, which _does_ give linux props. [00:56] AEnima1577 usr/doc/ice*? [00:56] that lilo guy passed away [00:56] byteframe yea [00:56] tuxdev oh, PDPC's founder, lilo. [00:56] car accidents are nasty [00:56] IIRC [00:57] yea, his leaving was quite unexpected and a shame. [00:57] kay slackware instaled very well on my mac everything seems to be functioning very properly :); includding the mac keymap although trackpad = notalive ; just incase you guys would be curious [00:57] we are [00:58] lol not sure if that was sarcasim or not but sure .. lol [00:58] nop [00:58] I never knew him past the random global announcements, but I do appreciate what he's done [00:58] macius: nice:) [00:58] tuxdev yea [00:59] pattwo (n=pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "leaving" [00:59] I have to go finish my Linux distribution, Madonna Linux PPC. [00:59] Bootstrapping glibc [01:00] She boots like a virgin [01:00] :D [01:00] ImpeachMcCain, is that in the vain of Hannah Montana Ubuntu? [01:00] heh [01:00] No, this is way better. [01:00] Madona Linux; boots for the very first time [01:01] Ok, good. [01:01] I'm scanning in pages from my Madonna Sex book for the naked wallpaper. [01:01] heh [01:02] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:02] Action: ImpeachMcCain also renames /bin/sys/init to zorah for good measure. [01:02] omg it's Thom Locke!!! how's the book bin? [01:03] quick question, looks like every application i run is oversized yet the desktop seems to be normal [01:03] the window that is [01:03] assuming i fucked something up during the install [01:03] is there anyway to change that using terminal? [01:03] fix the xconf view port size i think [01:04] edit the conf [01:04] restart x [01:04] o kde = de btw refot to mention [01:04] alright [01:04] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:04] "Shiny and new... Like a virgin. /bin/touch for the very first time." [01:05] heh [01:05] lol [01:05] Oh yes, my Linux distribution will break so many LSB rules [01:05] gasp && touch && more; more; more [01:05] :P [01:07] ImpeachMcCain you taking /msg's? [01:07] i got a adult cmdline :) [01:08] .me has to go back to work. [01:08] Bye. [01:08] ImpeachMcCain (i=4453b0ee@gateway/web/freenode/x-hjvdxboqrbgoorqh) left irc: "Page closed" [01:08] fiyawerx (i=fiyawerx@c-174-54-144-240.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: [01:08] damn [01:08] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:09] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [01:09] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) joined ##slackware. [01:11] earp_child (n=DirtySan@72-4-87-94.gncsin06.customers.broadreach.net) joined ##slackware. [01:12] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host114-70-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [01:12] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [01:12] hi [01:12] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [01:12] hi g4tt0 [01:13] slackie_ (n=x@87-196-158-59.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [01:13] ^^ [01:14] mishehu (i=mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) joined ##slackware. [01:14] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:16] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30EEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [01:16] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-27-242.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:18] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [01:19] where is that intel vt guy when you need him [01:20] gimp-help has been deprecated, ayup? [01:21] who? [01:22] there was some guy in here who i think was messing with sql injection [01:23] ah [01:23] is this a concern? [01:24] huh, no [01:24] i wanted to ask him something [01:24] k [01:24] i dont use sql to gauge your comment [01:29] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "point, click, boom" [01:31] slackie (n=x@87-196-154-185.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:31] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:34] night all [01:34] later hitest [01:34] later jeev [01:34] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:35] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:37] Axius (n=fd@92.84.3.121) joined ##slackware. [01:37] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [01:40] lordkelmain (n=lordkelm@ip68-5-13-113.oc.oc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:40] LitesterB (n=Litester@CPE0050ba681424-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Connection timed out [01:41] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:43] fire|bird: so what webcam app do you use? [01:44] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-104-245-173.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:45] Rat409: I don't have a webcam, so I don't use any app. :) [01:45] So no tips on recording donkey porn for Rat409? [01:45] nope, he's on his own. [01:45] when he cybersexxes he puts on a continuous loop of fabio instead of a live cam feed [01:46] Action: mancha ducks [01:46] no, he just loops this: http://www.dailyhaha.com/_vids/all-them-humps.htm [01:47] I would use this: http://imek.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/haha.gif [01:47] Action: fire|bird runs and ducks [01:47] you all fail,i tried fnding an app but depends weren't viable,i'm more familiar w/gnome/xfce apps than kde4 [01:47] fire|bird: HAHAHAH WTF [01:47] just wanted an app in case the video-conference need ever arises [01:48] with your help, we can become ONE! [01:49] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [01:49] guess other than kopete theres not much,other than skype plugin for pidgin [01:49] eviljames: haha. One of those things that's like a car crash, you just can't look away. :P [01:49] fire|bird: I'm shocked with myself for watching this long, but the real wtf doesn't even start until 1:40 or so.. [01:50] fire|bird: i knew better than to load those links haha :) [01:50] Rat409: No, not much out there really. [01:50] Rat409: hahaha [01:50] mine was SFW [01:50] so it seems,oh well no biggie [01:50] eviljames: and mine isn't even safe for consumtion, at all, anywhere. :P [01:50] lol [01:51] definitely. It was the Arby's of links. [01:51] cricket[b] (i=cricket@ip98-164-87-51.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:51] eviljames: lol, I knew, if anyone would click that link, it'd be you. :P [01:51] even I didn't know I would watch the whole damn thing.. but I couldn't stop.. [01:52] hahaha [01:52] rat, i once read about vic, simple yet does the job [01:53] cool,thanks i'll google a bit [01:53] alright i still am incapable of adjusting the size of any window, not sure if this is due to mac running on my mac, or just i setting imporperly set [01:54] any suggestions?, using kde as de if somone new would have any input [01:54] pupiteee (n=p@93.87.207.163) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:54] neonflux (n=neonflux@209.19.58.106) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:57] rat, did you find it? [01:58] hello all [01:59] Rat409 fire|bird mancha [01:59] evening [01:59] re [02:00] hello mrselfpwn [02:00] hi [02:00] macius (n=macius@i209-195-65-38.cia.com) left irc: "leaving" [02:02] i'm setting up my home server [02:02] mancha: i found one but not my hw,and looked dated also. hey mrselfpwn [02:02] using webmin for administration [02:02] cool [02:04] so it would seem [02:06] I had my fetchmail setup here. I installed webmin to test it on my personal computer and it changed all my permissions. [02:07] which is okay i guess. [02:08] rfdrew (n=rfdrew@235-58-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net) joined ##slackware. [02:11] nothing I can't change back anyway. [02:13] Though I was wandering how the "mail" user is used. [02:13] wondering [02:13] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [02:14] someone recommend an MTA for bulk mail sending only. [02:15] via SMTP [02:15] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:16] or, just a lmgtfy with the magic keywords [02:17] okay [02:17] HomerMunion (n=hmunion@24.159.166.178) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:18] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD8A64C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:19] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [02:19] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [02:20] that doesn't really make sense to me. [02:20] maik__ (n=maik@bas1-montreal19-1088783583.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [02:20] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:21] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [02:21] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:22] i'll lmgtfy some more [02:27] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/freenode/x-tlogvmfqfeoltixp) joined ##slackware. [02:28] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [02:29] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-104-245-173.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:29] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-104-245-173.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:30] Axius (n=fd@92.84.3.121) left irc: Client Quit [02:31] hey can location for cron file of each user could me made in their ~/ insted of /var/spool/cron/ ? [02:32] init[1]: uh, no. [02:32] init[1]: to edit it, use crontab -e [02:32] spook: yea i know that ! [02:32] init[1]: it belongs in /var/spool/cron :) [02:32] spook: i want to retain the cron entry even after a new install [02:32] get me ? [02:33] so just crontab -l > crontabbackup [02:33] yea that is one way, actually reason for this is,i'm giving a surprise for my friend's birthday, using the cron entry , [02:34] there is a chance the he can reinstall SW, [02:34] s/the/that/ [02:34] crontab -l > cron.bkp requires manaual intervention right? [02:35] uh, that just dumps it to the file called cron.bkp [02:35] spook: yea,and restore it back, i'm getting you, [02:35] crontab filename will replace the crontab with the info from filename [02:36] Axius (n=fd@92.84.3.121) joined ##slackware. [02:37] stuartpb (n=stuartpb@c-24-16-108-67.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [02:37] spook,see,i wouldn't be able to backup the file,instead if it were in ~/ ,there is no issue, [02:37] as he wont format his ~/ [02:38] so just hide the crontab in his ~. and setup his bashrc to restore his crontab from that hidden file [02:39] yea! [02:40] but dont ever do it for bad things. [02:40] ;) [02:40] Action: mrselfpwn starts listening. [02:40] wrw (n=wrw@80.244.204.31) joined ##slackware. [02:40] spook: its is meant to run a swf file on his birthday every 13mins [02:41] using prism, [02:41] :P [02:42] uh... [02:42] spook: any better idea ? [02:42] yeah. email the swf to him instead. [02:42] php [02:42] spook: this would pop up a window, out of no where, [02:43] that would be fun [02:43] email thingy is a usual trend, [02:43] i would find it annoying [02:44] i don't think i'd be happy about that birthday present [02:44] spook: its ok, it will only be active for that day, [02:44] night guys, be well. 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[02:49] anyone know how i edit my system date format i.e instead of Thu Nov 19 18:48:29 EST 2009 [02:49] this Thu 19th of Nov 18:48:29 EST 2009 [02:49] oobe: date --set [02:49] not bad though [02:49] earp_child (n=DirtySan@72-4-87-94.gncsin06.customers.broadreach.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:49] ok thanks init[1] [02:49] oobe: do check the man for the syntax [02:50] yeah i am now [02:50] mrselfpwn: you mean /etc/hosts? [02:50] yeah [02:50] cool idea, [02:51] mrselfpwn: that youtube video is played with mplayer,i have physical acess to his system, [02:51] embed it fullscren in a webserver somewhere [02:52] LitesterB (n=Litester@CPE0050ba681424-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [02:52] mrselfpwn: he is not always connected,so local files would be better i guess [02:53] wrw_ (n=wrw@80.244.204.31) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:53] have it pop up some mystery type stuff [02:53] cya later,gona setup his system now, [02:54] later [02:54] ;) [02:55] how are you guys doing [02:55] hi The-Croupier [02:57] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:57] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:59] mrselfpwn: hows you today bro? [03:07] frullet (n=hooch@203-206-19-122.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:10] anyone have any idea if pat's going to start adding python3 to testing? [03:10] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) left irc: Nick collision from services. [03:11] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) joined ##slackware. [03:11] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-255.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. 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[04:03] just replying to your ping from 45 minutes ago :) [04:04] I know.. hehe :d [04:04] alisonken1noc: how you doing? [04:04] busy weeks [04:05] moving servers from old cage to new cage [04:06] alisonken1noc: nice :d hehe [04:06] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:07] |rfdrew| (n=rfdrew@230-17-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net) joined ##slackware. [04:10] Axius (n=fd@92.84.3.121) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:16] clavius (i=James@207.sub-75-206-59.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [04:17] alisonken1noc: is the new cage nice? [04:17] more cramped - and they have to finish upgrading the a/c [04:17] but we have a higher server density than the other cage [04:18] Axius (n=ade@92.84.23.223) joined ##slackware. [04:21] sounds like fun ;) [04:21] icaro (n=icaro@unaffiliated/icaro) left irc: "Leaving" [04:23] i have sooooo much research...and im not allowed my bloody linux/openbsd...any opensource... and stupid IE crashes after 13tabs... how bad is that ....:( [04:24] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:24] rfdrew (n=rfdrew@235-58-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:26] The-Croupier: why aren't you allowed at least firefox or opera? [04:26] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:27] nyRednek: stupid really...company policy.. i do understand that some online software doesnt look/work the same.... so i have to deal with it...;) [04:27] np though...i use my linux when i can ;) [04:29] i, for now, don't have a job of any kind [04:29] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-198-176.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:32] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:33] tsonev_ (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [04:34] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [04:34] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.35) joined ##slackware. [04:36] Nick change: mako-dono -> mako-sama [04:40] ahhhhhhh [04:42] Thom1 (n=thom1@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-240-237.adsl.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:42] hi [04:43] hi nixchix0r, Thom1 [04:44] probally waont be able to get back to sleep [04:44] when i connect to a linux-pc from slack-13.0 (up to date) via ssh in a user login, i can't do "su", it freezes [04:44] i think the problem appears since openssl patches but I'm not sure [04:44] gona have to take a trazadone [04:45] wrw_ (n=wrw@80.244.204.31) joined ##slackware. [04:48] AlexElliott (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:49] well, it works sometimes, sometimes not [04:50] bye [04:50] Thom1 (n=thom1@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-240-237.adsl.proxad.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.0"). [04:54] Axius (n=ade@92.84.23.223) left irc: "Leaving" [04:55] nixchix0r: personally i hate drugs...i prefer having a small sleep ;) [04:55] but well, whatever works for you ;) [04:55] just count sheep or something..or work yourself to death ;) [04:55] yeah if i don't i will be up till the next night at this same time [04:56] ooops.... [04:56] when the boy wakes up in t he middle night which is rare. hubby normally grabs him because it's almost impossile to get back to sleep once i'm awake [04:56] go jogging or something... do some push-ups ;) i dont know...something to get you really tired.. ( have sex...;) ) i dont know anything ;) [04:57] Action: The-Croupier would do anything to not get drugs (for that kind of purpose) [04:57] yeah haha [04:58] just some psych meds [04:58] nixchix0r: well, make the difference in the female world and tell your hubby ( darling, i have a headache...we should have sex ) ;) [04:58] but i hear ya [04:58] :)) [04:58] Morn [04:58] there is no real lack of that The-Croupier [04:58] Zordrak is here...so im off ;) [04:58] nixchix0r: never said that ;) and im glad for you ;) [04:59] i just said its another way to put you to sleep ;) you know get you tired...etc...etc... [04:59] ChArLoK_16 (i=42c62918@gateway/web/freenode/x-wculygzkssxpadte) joined ##slackware. [04:59] just a passed out hubby and baby and now it's my turn [04:59] need a drink first [04:59] Strike (n=Strike@79.107.184.236) left irc: "Leaving" [04:59] wrw (n=wrw@80.244.204.31) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:59] hmmmm that is another way drink yourself to death...and pass out ;) [05:00] hello nixchix0r [05:01] hi [05:02] naw The-Croupier orange juice for me [05:02] sssh [05:02] great girls gone wild informercials [05:02] I am trying to sleep [05:02] ffs [05:02] >.> [05:02] me too! [05:02] yes but you don't have noise going off for your nick said [05:03] nixchix0r: you said something about juice..and juice poped up...hmm whats that all about... [05:03] nixchix0r: ask for 1million dollars...;) [05:03] zzz night [05:03] that was quick... [05:04] that's what she said [05:06] don't look at me The-Croupier , quick is not my game [05:07] nixchix0r: we still talking about sex right? [05:07] ;) [05:07] Action: The-Croupier hides [05:08] uhh [05:08] i'm not sure! [05:08] wakdep (n=wakdep@81.134.137.197) joined ##slackware. [05:08] Morning all [05:09] I'm trying to install Slack13 off DVD and am getting the install hanging on the fc-cache step. Anyone else run into this? Slack13 32bit... [05:09] Notn something ive seen [05:10] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-installation-40/slackware-current-dvd-hangs-during-install-configuring-your-installation-fc-cache-747743/ [05:10] That link shows some other folks having the same issue at present - seems only on the 32bit - the 64bit seems not to exhibit this issue.... [05:11] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:12] *bangs head* [05:12] I've just run the setup with boot: hugesmp.s noapic noapci and it seems to have moved passed this point.... [05:14] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:16] yay.. apic bug [05:18] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [05:19] jude (n=jude@mail.kenfreight.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [05:22] nixchix0r: aleep yet? ;) [05:22] nope [05:23] Axius (n=ade@92.84.23.223) joined ##slackware. [05:23] minux (n=minux@c-67-172-180-105.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:23] Axius (n=ade@92.84.23.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:24] acidchild (n=ash@li88-140.members.linode.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:24] Kamel (n=1@99-205-207-4.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [05:25] damn... [05:25] i need one of those small watches...and start saying concentrate..look at the watch... concentrate...;) [05:26] you feel your head heavy, your eyes are starting to close, you feel yourself light...etc [05:26] haha [05:26] or i can smoke moar [05:26] =o [05:27] prashant_ (n=prashant@122.172.55.47) joined ##slackware. [05:27] hello everyone [05:27] lo [05:28] nixchix0r: specify...smoke what? [05:28] dont need to [05:28] i'm a hippyu [05:28] -u [05:28] The_Seeker (n=seeker@5ac89913.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:29] giuppy_ (n=giuppy@host72-160-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:29] ChArLoK_16 (i=42c62918@gateway/web/freenode/x-wculygzkssxpadte) left irc: "Page closed" [05:31] prashant_ (n=prashant@122.172.55.47) left irc: Client Quit [05:32] cricket[] (i=cricket@ip98-164-87-51.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [05:33] cricket[] (i=cricket@ip98-164-87-51.no.no.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:34] wrw (n=wrw@80.244.204.31) joined ##slackware. [05:35] i like hippies ;) they are the best ;) they know what is good for your health ;) (especially concerning smoking) [05:36] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:36] The-Croupier, you just don't want me to have any fun! 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[05:40] nixchix0r: why do you say that? on the contrary... [05:40] oh [05:40] spook: me :( aparently...:( [05:41] The-Croupier: naughty! let nixchix0r have fun. [05:41] yus:( [05:41] The-Croupier, i'm all about being organic [05:41] organic? whats that? [05:41] :p [05:41] spook: did i miss something [05:42] Zordrak: nothing important. [05:42] nixchix0r: well, if you want to be organic...dont complain about sleep then ;) [05:42] i reuse , recyle(sometimes), and other stuff! [05:42] nixchix0r: now, how does that help you sleep ;) [05:42] it doesn't but the shrubbery does [05:42] fetch me a shrubbery good sir! [05:43] Action: spook ni ni ni [05:43] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-uhebrkshphdshftf) joined ##slackware. [05:45] and i want you to have fun ;) (too bad you are married :p joking) [05:45] The-Croupier: bad! naughty! [05:45] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:46] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [05:46] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [05:46] spook: ohhh i said im joking ....:( [05:47] Action: The-Croupier looks at spook with the half ready to cry baby face...:( [05:47] /baby face/ baby face with beard ;) [05:47] Action: spook looks at The-Croupier with the srs bsns face [05:48] ok....:( [05:50] Phoenix_br (n=chatzill@189-19-71-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:50] LitesterB (n=Litester@CPE0050ba681424-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:51] nixchix0r: does your hubby use linux in general..? [05:51] he does, but that was when he met me [05:52] and i started him on gentoo because that's what i was using [05:52] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [05:53] nixchix0r: does he enter this channel? [05:53] now he's all everything must be done in terminal and uber excited about new things. i showed him how to recompile a kernel and he walked away and played guitar but he's learning [05:53] you know that everytime I got a problem I ask here first. :) [05:53] nah he doesn't irc [05:53] Azeotrope: unfortunatelly we do...:P ;) [05:53] Action: The-Croupier hides [05:53] I want to make a fileserver, something where enverybody with a user and pass can upload and download small files [05:53] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:53] nixchix0r: thank god for that ;) [05:54] The-Croupier, theres something about him that made me wana just go crazy [05:54] FTPD? or other server daemon? [05:54] nixchix0r: i hope he doesnt check the logs either ;) lol [05:54] bah he doesn't care i'd never cheat on him [05:54] nixchix0r: what? he reminded you of me ? ;) lol [05:54] The-Croupier, always [05:55] just don't let Camarade_Tux know he's a little sensitive [05:55] nixchix0r: the last 5 ladies i dated said that to me ;) "id never cheat on you" ...hmmm [05:55] nixchix0r: lol [05:55] lol [05:55] i've never done that. dont feel the need to. usually you break up so that doesn't happen [05:56] nixchix0r: tell me something... why... all the nice ladies, (the ones with humor and understanding are married?) ... [05:57] or in a relationship since they were 12 or something ;) lol [05:57] because we don't know when the next best thing will come around and you have to take a chance at something crazy [05:57] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:c3) joined ##slackware. [05:58] i posted an ad on CL for new people to join our 2600 meetings and he responded amongst a large number of "head shots" with a pee wee herman pic and we just traded emails [05:58] email swap for months [05:58] finally i just said i'm commin over and drove there and chilled [05:59] yada yada yada [05:59] got knocked up , figured we might as well get married because we were already doin the marriage crapola [05:59] wow this level of banter has just reminede me I haven't been on ISCABBS/Babble for ages.... [05:59] :) [05:59] im sorry i'm waiting for my meds to kick in [06:00] nixchix0r: did i ask how you met? that is changing my last statement of understanding .... [06:00] Action: The-Croupier hides.. [06:00] you didn't i'm just saying you can't pass that up [06:00] it's stuff that seems to only happen in movies [06:01] because you can totally pick that apart and find so many wrong and not smart moves that went down [06:01] and one day you'll find that non married person and go with it:) [06:02] or if you're the kat, that small group of women, those 7 or 8 ladies that are right for you. [06:02] she may even use opensuse=\ [06:03] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:03] nixchix0r: lol sounds like fun...and then well have to just talk in irssi ;) lol [06:03] The-Croupier, it's true i'm awesome [06:03] nixchix0r: kind of ...:p [06:03] nixchix0r: you are married :p [06:03] no offense ;) [06:04] The-Croupier, and he tells me that if i find some one who makes more i can divorce him:)) :)) [06:04] so? proftpd, apache? what should i use? [06:06] no one got my red dwarf reference? :( [06:06] nixchix0r: women..pff....always thinking the money...:p [06:07] hahaha [06:07] nixchix0r: ;) im just joking, hope you know that... ;) [06:07] yea [06:07] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [06:07] ufff :) [06:07] The-Croupier, to get back at me though, he says he has a 5million life insurance policy over myhead [06:07] nixchix0r: you seem really cool ;) tell him not to be stupid ;) [06:08] i just said not to be stupid ...wtf.. [06:08] Action: The-Croupier hides.. [06:08] lawl he won't be [06:08] we make a good team [06:09] which is why i'm up at this hour i never am [06:09] used to be [06:09] but he was hella tired so i got the boy [06:10] nixchix0r: well, sounds good..congrats..;) [06:11] Action: The-Croupier is happy for nixchix0r ...reaaaaalllyyyyy happyyyyyy [06:11] The-Croupier, the joys of parenthood. knowing what your child at the night before by the colors in the diaper [06:11] oh carrots, peas, ect [06:12] blueberries:| that one scared me [06:15] Action: The-Croupier loves it when we speak about slackware ;) [06:16] nmoura (n=nmoura@g3.alog.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:16] ha [06:18] caio (n=caio@190.244.41.20) joined ##slackware. [06:18] pm? to clear the channel a bit? [06:18] or slackofftopic [06:18] TClayton (n=TClayton@nc-76-3-71-178.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [06:18] either...;) [06:18] Nick change: caio -> Guest72075 [06:19] oh no! the picture at init looks crapy at my laptop!:/ [06:20] madbear: ill tell him next time he logs in ;) [06:25] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [06:25] howdy slackers :-) [06:26] oh haiz [06:26] anything interesting on the intartubes today? [06:27] macavity? on some another distro, users can install anything without root password [06:27] ops, s/?/: [06:28] talk about a security hole :P [06:28] no, it`s a feature =( [06:28] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:28] all security holes are :p [06:28] http://tinyurl.com/ya7pptb [06:28] xMDKx: do you mean by sudo etc etc..? [06:29] on the new fedora. they use packagekit [06:29] lol.. fedora [06:29] but they are defending the thing... [06:29] any user can install system-wide packages [06:29] The-Croupier: no :p [06:29] mancha: yes [06:29] good that we dont use fedora then, huh? [06:29] fedora FAIL [06:30] it's the stupidest thing in the universe [06:30] mancha: you might just as well include all other dimentions while you are at it [06:30] mancha: "universe" you are being nice... [06:30] Action: macavity starts working on an exploit [06:30] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.66.121) joined ##slackware. [06:30] macavity: lol [06:31] macavity the hax0r :) [06:31] lol [06:31] macavity: you dont need an exploit....you can already install everything ;) no need to work for it ;) [06:31] hardly.. all i gotta do is trick a nubi into installing my package [06:31] so.. a trojan? [06:32] a rootkit can be great [06:33] "get free access to more than 1300 restricted porn sites - only works on Fedora because of its advanced networking stack - [Download RPM Here]" [06:33] would that do it? [06:34] "Share this with a freind! [email: _____________]" [06:34] pthug (n=pthug@77-100-55-57.cable.ubr03.chwo.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [06:34] The_Seeker (n=seeker@5ac89913.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [06:34] i'd add that it comes with a $10 million nigerian bank account or 2 more inches on your schwang [06:34] mancha: do you know if that allows system wide packages with suid root bins? [06:35] they are trying to explain the FAIL: http://bit.ly/1smgsj [06:35] macavity, _any_ package, system-wide, no holds barred [06:35] SCORE! [06:35] "Fedora - proudly providing remote root access since December 2009" :P [06:36] macavity: lol [06:36] if they dont change this, then the only thing i have to say is: R.I.P. [06:36] _bruno (n=bruno@c9515962.virtua.com.br) left irc: [06:37] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:38] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:38] r_linux (n=r_linux@189.38.220.35) joined ##slackware. [06:39] who's using fedora anyway [06:39] lots of people use fedora. lot's more than us here over in slack-world surely [06:41] mostly windows clickers probably [06:41] heya, has anyone tried installing the kde from -current on a stock 13 system? [06:41] MooKimchi (n=kimchi@211.180.33.122) joined ##slackware. [06:41] jg71: nogo.. always update everyting [06:41] http://www.spi.dod.mil/lipose.htm [06:41] jg71: doesnt work [06:41] k, thanks. [06:41] jg71: you should get the "grey screen of nothingness" [06:42] the Air Force offers a bootable Linux Live CD that works with the military CAC reader [06:42] hello channel, btw [06:42] i like how they said "Instant Trusted End Node". yep, which is why they did NOT use Windows. [06:42] jg71: and please read the changlog.. mplayerthumbs has been removed, so you might need to re-install kdemultimedia, also oxygen-icons has become a seperate package [06:42] jg71: other than that, -current is every bit as good 13 these days.. just more up to date [06:43] there are a few caveats worth mentioning: a) it has to be a user physically at the box (remote consoles still require root passwd to install) and b) the package & repository must be signed [06:43] so it's not really a free-for-all but still, massively dumb (imvho) [06:44] jg71: if you removepkg mplayerthumbs before you upgrade to current you should be all good though :P [06:44] mancha: I thought it was just for the console user? [06:44] The_Seeker (n=seeker@5ac89913.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:45] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:46] guax (n=guaxinim@189.4.109.74) joined ##slackware. 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[08:04] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:04] I have a device that has hardware issues that makes the kernel mess up but it's fixed inside my laptop. [08:07] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:09] biber (n=biber@62.87.208.174) joined ##slackware. [08:09] hi i have got two binary files (a.elf and b.elf) [08:10] how can i compare them? [08:10] i mean: find the difference in a hex values? [08:11] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:11] g'morning guys and gals [08:11] do you know what i mean? [08:12] wrw__ (n=wrw@80.244.204.31) joined ##slackware. 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[08:21] elliot98, if you run xchat there must be 70 or 80 networks on the network list already. after you connect you can get a chan list although with some networks that would be several thousands [08:21] TheGroove (n=root@145.33.163.216) left irc: "Leaving" [08:23] massmc_ (n=massmc@goonbag.com) joined ##slackware. [08:24] gnubien (n=e@209.244.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:24] http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/pranav_mistry_the_thrilling_potential_of_sixthsense_technology.html [08:24] have you guys seen that? fscking nice [08:24] wrw_ (n=wrw@80.244.204.31) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:24] what is it about? [08:26] prashant_ (n=prashant@122.172.55.47) joined ##slackware. [08:26] massmc_ (n=massmc@goonbag.com) left irc: Client Quit [08:26] hello everyone [08:26] massmc (n=massmc@goonbag.com) joined ##slackware. [08:27] massmc (n=massmc@goonbag.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:27] i need help in configuring ati graphics card [08:31] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.189.31) joined ##slackware. [08:31] hi there [08:32] prashant_, What card? [08:32] adamk_: it's ati hd 4500 graphics card [08:32] wrw (n=wrw@80.244.204.31) joined ##slackware. [08:33] The_Seeker (n=seeker@5ac89913.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [08:33] prashant_, Are you trying to use the closed source drivers from AMD? [08:33] adamk_: yes [08:34] So what problem(s) are you having? [08:35] adamk_: i'm trying to configure it for enabling desktop effects. can u help? [08:35] Well what have you done so far? And what isn't working? [08:37] adamk_: i went to system settings and tried to enable it but it said that it is unable to apply settings and is reverting back [08:37] What is the output of 'glxinfo | grep -i renderer? [08:38] jeronimo_ (n=ghost@78.90.113.108) joined ##slackware. [08:38] how can i mount ntfs with read/write support? [08:38] i have in kernel write/write support and i use mount -t ntfs /dev/sdaX /mnt but not works [08:39] adamk_:unknown chip id 0x9553, can't guess. [08:39] GL_RENDERER: Software Rasterizer [08:39] prashant_, Did you actually install the fglrx drivers yet? [08:40] jeronimo_: try ntfs-3g [08:40] ok [08:40] thanks [08:40] HomerMunion (n=hmunion@24.159.166.178) joined ##slackware. [08:40] jeronimo_ (n=ghost@78.90.113.108) left ##slackware. [08:40] adamk_:sorry man, me just a new linux user.i don't think so [08:42] You need to download the driver from here: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.39&lang=English [08:43] prashant_, Then you can build Slackware packages from them by running that installer with the --buildpkg Slackware/All option, as I recall. [08:45] alisonken1noc: I hammered my wifi card as you told me and it finally came back ;-) [08:46] adamk_: ok , i'm doing it [08:46] Camarade_Tux: cool [08:46] and how did you hammer it again? [08:47] jeronimo__ (n=ghost@78.90.113.108) joined ##slackware. [08:47] not works ntfs-3g [08:48] wrw__ (n=wrw@80.244.204.31) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:48] mount -t ntfs /dev/sda -o rw /mnt/ not works [08:48] i have in kernel write/read support? [08:49] jeronimo__: you tried "-t ntfs-3g" instead of "-t ntfs"? [08:50] SpacePlod: yes not works [08:50] init[1]: hey, r u online? [08:52] jeronimo__: not works how? permission denied or won't mount? And I assume you mean /dev/sdaX not /dev/sda, right? [08:52] /dev/sda [08:52] sorry [08:52] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [08:52] mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs-3g' [08:52] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [08:53] I think you need fuse running [08:53] ntfs-3g installed? ( grep /var/log/packages) [08:54] and thrice is correct as well. It uses fuseblk [08:54] Bugz___ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-94-211.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [08:54] SpacePlod: it is not installed [08:54] are you on slackware 13, or an older version? [08:54] that would be a problem. [08:54] debian [08:55] ok, cool [08:55] try #debian ;) [08:55] i am banned from there [08:55] :) [08:55] I'm gonna guess "grep /var/log/packages" prolly failed as well [08:56] ... [08:56] jeronimo__, ok, well, a slackware linux channel is not the appropriate alternative [08:56] ntfs-3g - read-write NTFS driver for FUSE [08:56] thrice`: ok [08:57] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) joined ##slackware. [08:57] thrice`: slackware = linux [08:58] alisonken1noc: put it gently on the street, went to the third floor, throw my other computer on it :) [08:58] alisonken1noc: but actually it went away again >< [08:58] jeronimo__ (n=ghost@78.90.113.108) left irc: "Death to all fanatics!" [09:02] jhw_ (n=jhw@p548F5A82.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:02] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-82-93.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:03] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-94-211.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [09:03] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-82-93.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:04] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.233.185) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:05] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430523.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:10] Hey gar0t0 thanks for clicking my dropbox referral link ;-) [09:11] lol [09:11] wrw_ (n=wrw@80.244.204.31) joined ##slackware. [09:12] TheGroove (n=root@145.33.163.216) joined ##slackware. [09:12] wrw (n=wrw@80.244.204.31) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:13] alienBOB: :) [09:13] roger_ (n=roger@187.60.32.122) joined ##slackware. [09:13] alienBOB: cool project :D [09:13] Anyone running -current? My okular won't open pdf files, I was wondering if it's a -current problem or if I'm just missing something. [09:13] gar0t0: since that blog post, 6 people clicked it so now I have 1.5 GB extra free storage [09:13] Nick change: roger_ -> silvio_santos [09:14] alienBOB: which project? [09:15] TheGroove, are you running a full -current ? [09:15] TheGroove: okular in my Slackware64-current opens PDF just fine [09:15] thrice`: "full"? [09:15] sounds lik you updated poppler, but not KDE [09:15] nyRednek: http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/dropbox/ [09:15] yes, are you fully up-to-date ? [09:15] As far as I know, yes, but I'll check. [09:16] At first I was missing poppler, but I installed it...didn't help,however. [09:17] how did you update to -current ? [09:17] If I say "slapt-get", will you go easy on me? ;) [09:17] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:18] alienBOB: you have a public share for test ? [09:18] TheGroove, which version of kde are you on, and which poppler ? [09:19] 4.3.3, poppler-0.12.1-i486-1 [09:20] kdebase-4.3.3-i486-1 [09:20] can you pastebin "ls /var/log/packages/kde*" ? [09:22] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:22] launch time [09:22] http://pastebin.ca/1677811 [09:23] alienBOB: maybe you get more space...clicked and setup as well [09:23] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.199.222.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:24] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [09:24] Axius (n=fd@92.84.0.50) joined ##slackware. [09:24] TheGroove, ok, so it didn't miss any packages. if you start okular from the CLI, does it complain about anything ? [09:26] Oh, found it: /usr/lib/kde4/okularGenerator_poppler.so links to lcms, which I didn't have. [09:26] okular doesn't output anything at all, I wish it did so it's easier to debug. [09:26] adamk_: ok , i downloaded the file. what next? [09:26] lordkelmain (n=lordkelm@ip68-5-13-113.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:26] does "ldd $( which poppler ) | grep missing" show it? [09:27] also, trimming the l/ catagory is not wise [09:28] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:28] hey guys, what is this .run format of installer files? [09:28] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [09:29] lordkelmain (n=lordkelm@ip68-5-13-113.oc.oc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:30] khushil (n=wakdep@81.134.137.197) joined ##slackware. [09:31] what does "file blahblah.run" suggest ? [09:31] prashant_, It's just a script. [09:31] prashant_, You need to run that script, as root (or with sudo)... Something like "./ati-driver-installer-9-11-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Slackware/All" [09:32] wakdep (n=wakdep@81.134.137.197) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:32] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:32] adamk_: ok, [09:32] Assuming you are in the same directory as the downloaded file. [09:33] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:33] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@petrostsi1.ath.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:34] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:37] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-249.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:38] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [09:38] thrice`, installing lcms fixed it. [09:39] The-Croupier1 (n=ksandros@petrostsi1.ath.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:39] Thanks for the pointers, though. [09:39] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [09:39] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@petrostsi1.ath.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:40] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:40] jude (n=jude@mail.kenfreight.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:41] adamk_: it's showing error [09:42] TheGroove (n=root@145.33.163.216) left irc: "Leaving" [09:43] prashant_, Use a service like http://pastebin.com/ to show the errors. [09:43] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:45] it's showing command not found [09:45] ati-driver-installer-9-11-x86.x86_64.run: command not found [09:46] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-180-240-134.lns11.lon.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:46] Are you in the same directory as the downloaded file? You might need to run it with sh in front if it's not executable by default... So something like 'sh ./ati-driver-installer-9-11-x86_x86_64.run --buildpkg Slackware/All' [09:46] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [09:47] adamk_: yes, i am in same directory [09:48] The "sh ./" before the file name is important. [09:48] hi all :), is there someone nice who could offer me a build for octave in his repositroy ? [09:49] adamk_: with sh command, it began to build but at last it is giving error: [09:49] adamk_:The distribution slackware is not supported [09:50] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-198-176.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:50] '--buildpkg Slackware/All' worked fine here when I tested it this morning. [09:51] adamk_: but, it is showing error [09:52] How do I list persons who ignore me ? [09:52] prashant_, Sorry, but if that's the only error you are getting, I don't know what is going on. [09:53] paul424, why can't you build it yourself? [09:53] I got strange error ... [09:53] using slackbuilds ? [09:53] prashant_, You didn't capitalize Slackware, did you? [09:53] adamk_: i don't know [09:54] adamk_:no [09:54] Well look at what I've typed a few times already this morning. [09:54] I just made an alien package for chrome. Anyone care to test whether it works? http://slack.teamtil.net/pkg/x86_64/google-chrome-unstable-4.0.249.0.tgz [09:54] prashant_, Slackware/All [09:54] adamk_: i did [09:55] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware. [09:55] adamk_: it's uncompressing ati driver then at last it shows error [09:55] prashant_, So now you're saying you did capitalize it? [09:55] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [09:55] The_Seeker (n=seeker@5ac89913.bb.sky.com) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew." [09:56] thrice`: yes using the slacbuilds, althoug it was for v3.0.1 I changed the script to work with v.3.2.3 sources and I get errors... btw do you know where I could have the logs from this compilation ? [09:56] khushildep (n=wakdep@81.134.137.197) joined ##slackware. [09:56] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [09:56] adamk_: i didn't capitalize it.i meant that i did slackware/all [09:56] Well it needs to be "Slackware/All" [09:57] Not "slackware/all" [09:57] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [09:57] adamk_: again it's showing error [09:59] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [09:59] wrw (n=wrw@80.244.204.31) joined ##slackware. [10:00] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:02] ip-route (n=iproute@200.172.83.136) joined ##slackware. [10:03] prashant_, Pastebin the exact command you are running and the entire output that it's showing. [10:03] adamk_:ok [10:04] adamk_:http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/SoS0yN86.html [10:06] You really are having a hard time understanding this. [10:06] Slackware/All [10:06] Note the capitalization. [10:07] Not slackware/all. Not slackware/All. [10:07] **** Slackware/All ***** <----- [10:07] That is what it needs to be. [10:09] adamk_: yeah, it's in process now. [10:10] is there any simulation mode ./octave.SlackBuild, so I won't lost 6 hours of compiling after it fails at the end ? [10:10] adamk_: hey look, I am extremely sorry for that.sorry for the confusion [10:10] brixton (i=brixton@efnetwarrior.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:10] brixton (i=brixton@efnetwarrior.com) joined ##slackware. [10:10] adamk_: ok, .tgz file has been created [10:10] nyRednek: thanks [10:11] prashant_, You should have two .tgz files that you can install with 'installpkg' (also as root or with sudo). [10:11] wrw_ (n=wrw@80.244.204.31) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:12] hey ho :) please help :P [10:13] prashant_, This is where my knowledge may not be 100% accurate. Once you install those packages, you should be able to generate an xorg.conf file with 'aticonfig --initial'. [10:13] adamk_: yes, one is fglxr-...... kernel_2.6.31.tgz and other is fglxr ....tgz [10:13] paul424: answer: no [10:13] adamk_: which one should i choose? [10:13] khushil (n=wakdep@81.134.137.197) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:13] paul424: unless the error is in the SlackBuild script and not in the octave sourcecode [10:13] prashant_, You need to install both. [10:14] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-uhebrkshphdshftf) left irc: [10:14] adamk_: in which order? [10:14] In which case you run "bash -n octave.SlackBuild" to test the script for errors without actually running it [10:15] alienBoB; thanks, but the script is ok [10:15] and it'll only tell you if you've got syntax errors, not whether it's functionally sound [10:15] prashant_, You can install them both with 'installpkg' at the same time. [10:15] paul424: compilation logs should be under /tmp/SBo when you use a slackbuild. As you are trying a new version of octave, then the slackbuild is not guaranteed. [10:15] adamk_: ok [10:17] saivin (n=saivin@122.166.164.78) joined ##slackware. [10:18] adamk_: yes, i installed both of them [10:18] hi, isn't network manager/wicd installed by default? [10:18] i'm not finding them. [10:19] allend: thanks but It does not seem to leave any resonable error message ... [10:19] adamk_: it's saying about modifying some aticonfig --initial [10:19] file [10:19] saivin, no, it's in extra/ though [10:19] prashant_, Please pastebin the full output from the aticonfig command,. [10:20] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@220-136-225-80.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:20] adamk_:ok [10:20] each time i have to do ifconfig up and dhcpcd to get ip to eth0. am i right that we need to make rc.inet1 executable to start it during boot? [10:21] saivin, that's part of it, but rc.inet1.conf needs to be configured to start eth0 as well [10:22] adamk_: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/DHEghW82.html [10:22] prashant_, No, the output from 'aticonfig --initial' [10:22] oh. right. thats what i was wondering, in my case it _is_ 755. [10:22] ok will go through rc.inet1.conf [10:22] adamk_:ok [10:23] Axius (n=fd@92.84.0.50) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:23] And yes, rc.inet1 *must* be executable or Slackware will not run it [10:23] paul424: http://sotirov-bg.net/slackpack/pack.cgi?id=664 [10:24] OMG, alienBOB? [10:24] i just edited rc.inet1.conf will reboot n check. [10:24] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:25] allend: :*. at last someone had a mercy upon me :) [10:25] gar0t0: if you PM me with the email address you use for dropbox, I'll share a folder (I need the email for that) [10:25] Action: guax just made a chmod -x on rc.inet1 to see what happens =D [10:25] adamk_: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/zqDkMM94.html [10:26] guax: rc.M has a line "if [ -x /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 ]; then" [10:26] do i have to leave dhcp_hostname blank? i want to keep my current hostname. [10:26] oh, it worked anyways =/ [10:27] glarb (i=1000@c-68-42-189-210.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:27] prashant_, I'm not sure if that's a problem or not... Can you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? [10:27] glarb (i=1000@c-68-42-189-210.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:28] adamk_:ok [10:28] saivin (n=saivin@122.166.164.78) left ##slackware. [10:29] gyroscope (n=master@81.215.27.92) joined ##slackware. [10:29] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) joined ##slackware. [10:29] think i will update kernel to get rid of this "thing" on startup =P [10:29] adamk_: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/ZsrWit46.html [10:30] alienBOB: I sent my email on pvt [10:30] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@220-136-224-13.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [10:31] lordkelmain (n=lordkelm@ip68-5-13-113.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:31] gar0t0: done [10:32] prashant_, Good. Now reboot :-) Ideally it should "just work" [10:32] adamk_: ok , let me try [10:32] alienBOB: too simple [10:33] adamk_: i'm rebooting, talk to you after that [10:33] prashant_ (n=prashant@122.172.55.47) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:35] gar0t0: you should see a change any minute now [10:35] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [10:37] Action: MoZes dances [10:38] wrw (n=wrw@80.244.204.31) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:39] Action: adamk_ wonders if prashant_ is going to reappear. [10:39] hnmm where I can get the package atlas3 ... seems other distros have , but on slack no sight of it ... [10:39] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:39] alienBOB: I see one file here!! [10:40] alienBOB: what size have this directory ? [10:41] prashant_ (n=prashant@122.172.55.47) joined ##slackware. [10:41] adamk_: key thnx, it worked [10:42] Woohoo. [10:42] paul424: http://www.netlib.org/atlas/ <--source [10:42] prashant_, Have you enabled desktop effects? [10:42] adamk_: yes, i have [10:43] adamk_: but i am not able to get cubes and all, don't need them either [10:43] adamk_: one more thing, installation of any package would be in this process only? [10:43] prashant_, I'm really only familiar with the cube in compiz, not KDE (though I know KDE has one). [10:44] prashant_, Not sure I understand that question. [10:44] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-180-240-134.lns11.lon.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [10:44] merciful (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:44] eurotrash: thanks [10:45] adamk_: means every application is to be installed in same way? [10:46] Rachael (n=nnnnnnra@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:46] prashant_, It depends on the application. Some applications are in binary form, some come in packages for slackware, and some have to be compiled from source. [10:46] nv4Phil (n=phil@c-69-137-66-177.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:48] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:48] gar0t0: I think there is only one way to find out how big... I think if I upload 4 GB that your 2.25GB dropbox will explode [10:48] Rachael (n=nnnnnnnr@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:49] gar0t0: https://www.dropbox.com/help/59 [10:51] eurotrash: anyway that;s strange the pack you provided gives the foobar library I need , but static .a not dynamic .so I need ... [10:52] s/I need/indeed [10:52] paul424: even if you build it? [10:53] eurotrash: it is building, wait :) [10:54] etf (i=c881b043@gateway/web/freenode/x-qgfazyoyeiuqwfju) joined ##slackware. [10:54] The-Croupier1 (n=ksandros@petrostsi1.ath.forthnet.gr) left ##slackware. 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[11:40] Desiderius (n=dc@pth77-1-88-171-241-225.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [11:42] meh, the kdepim package aint there in 3.5.10 for slack13 .... so im back to s1 [11:43] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:44] nvision (n=nvision@g225056205.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:44] I mean src2pkg ... [11:44] what should I do ? [11:44] panic ;) [11:48] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [11:49] weird [11:50] sahk0 (n=grbzks@ppp-94-68-155-25.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:51] mupi_ (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [11:52] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host114-70-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [11:52] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:53] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) left irc: "Leaving." [11:56] julioc (n=Who@201-43-247-66.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:57] Strike (n=Strike@79.107.184.236) joined ##slackware. [11:57] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-104-245-173.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:57] hello guys! [11:58] anyone got netcat handy and can do me a favor ? [11:59] I run srcpkg -VV (verbose) . I get : 'Enter number at top left of screen [0]: ', what he might want ? [12:01] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [12:01] snL20: what ya need? [12:01] macavity: could you try to: nc -vu 149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no 7001 ? [12:02] snL20: i only get: 149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no [90.149.160.214] 7001 (afs3-callback) open [12:02] Using gcc 3/2.96 will result in a performance loss of 10-20% IN THE BEST CASE / over a gcc previous to 2.96. If your install goes slightly wrong, performance / drops of 50% are more normal with these compilers. Full details of this / problem can be found at: / http://www.cs.utk.edu/~rwhaley/ATLAS/gcc30.html [12:03] macavity: hmmm, I cant see anything in netstat do you get disconnected immediatly ? [12:03] snL20: no, it is still sitting there [12:03] ohh, that must have be a really old warning ... [12:03] paul424: that must be one seriously old package you are trying to compile there [12:04] mupi_ (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:04] in case you want to have some fun, go to the gentoo guys with that one, paul424 [12:05] snL20: are you trying to see if your torrent client has the proper port forwarding? :P [12:05] macavity: yeah :) [12:06] macavity: the funny thing is that I use the source for 3.2.3 -- newest octave, but skip this EOD. [12:06] credo (n=cherchez@80.233.147.119) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:06] The_Seeker (n=seeker@5ac89913.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [12:07] snL20: the port is open :P [12:07] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:07] macavity: ok thanks [12:07] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) joined ##slackware. [12:08] whatever it is forwarded to the right machine and so forth, i cant deduce [12:08] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [12:08] macavity: its the only machine on my network ;) [12:10] is your torrent client running? [12:10] i have vsftpd installed but a tutorial i read teaches to make users in a group to be used by vsftpd on the local machine. is it safe? [12:10] should i set bash/false ? [12:11] macavity: yeah [12:11] Azeotrope: false [12:11] snL20: just a sec.. reading the nmap(1) [12:12] macavity: yeah, someone tried nmap but it came back open|filtered [12:12] :) [12:12] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:13] snL20: lol.. my nmap thinks your machine is down :P [12:13] chatran (n=chatran@lin097.unimedmaringa.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:13] hi [12:13] snL20: but at least ktorrent can check if it is getting incommong connections? [12:13] macavity: -NP [12:13] chatran: hello [12:13] macavity: or was it -PN [12:13] hmmm [12:14] macavity: thanks [12:14] macavity: I use rtorrent [12:14] Kamel (n=1@99-205-207-4.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:14] how i move all dirs of month septermber to another dir ? for i in 'ls | grep Sep';do mv $i /test;done ? [12:14] 7001/tcp closed afs3-callback [12:14] macavity: its not tcp its udp [12:15] on it.. still fastlearning nmap here :P [12:15] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-98-249-3-190.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [12:15] macavity: i would also like that the ftp user to have a folder in /var. is it safe? [12:15] chatran: i would look at "find" [12:16] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:16] Azeotrope: that's as safe as everywhere else [12:16] :( very bad linux thing is this we cant select dirs [12:16] ? [12:17] chatran: use a graphical filemanager if you want to "select dirs" [12:17] chatran: you dont *have* to type in commands ;-) [12:18] dont have graphical on servers [12:18] use mc [12:18] i go look find [12:20] chatran: mc [12:20] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [12:20] i need make that a comand to backup [12:20] move month to another dir and make archive backup of all dir [12:20] macavity: if i want to put files for users to download, i put them inside their home folder. but i really need them to access my storage partition.. how do i do that? [12:21] i tried symliking but no success [12:21] hello everyone [12:21] kr_eten (n=quick@client-157-92.speedy-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [12:24] Azeotrope: see the -bind option for mount [12:26] Desiderius (n=dc@pth77-1-88-171-241-225.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102141836]" [12:27] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [12:27] The_Seeker (n=seeker@5ac89913.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:28] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:28] The_Seeker (n=seeker@5ac89913.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [12:30] chatran: something like "find . -maxdepth 1 -type d -newermt 2009-09-12" [12:30] look this [12:30] chatran: for i in *; do if [ -d "$i" ] && [ "$( date -d "@$( stat -c %Y "$i" )" )" = "11" ]; then mv "$i" September/; done; fi [12:30] :() ueahueuhe crazy answer [12:30] im trying [12:33] vaibhav (n=landy@122.167.95.150) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:33] The_Seeker (n=seeker@5ac89913.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:35] prashant_ (n=prashant@122.172.55.47) left irc: "Leaving" [12:35] wakdep (n=wakdep@i-83-67-38-79.freedom2surf.net) joined ##slackware. [12:35] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-249.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:35] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [12:36] _rfdrew_ (n=rfdrew@236-32-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net) joined ##slackware. [12:36] chatran: find . -maxdepth 1 -type d -newermt 2009-09-12 -exec cp -r '{}' /path/to/backup \; [12:36] khushildep (n=wakdep@81.134.137.197) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:36] chatran: then you just have to replace the timestamp [12:37] chatran: look at the -newerXY switch.. you can point out another file/dir as the source of the timestamp [12:38] songohan (n=songohan@ALyon-553-1-1-65.w92-145.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:39] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [12:39] chatran: or just -newer [12:39] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: "just to eat" [12:39] ok lets see [12:40] hello [12:40] hello songohan [12:40] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:41] i can't play audio cd with amarok :( [12:41] prashant_ (n=prashant@122.172.55.47) joined ##slackware. [12:41] songohan, yes we can! [12:41] the soft doesn't see my cd and slackware launch k3b when inserting audio cd [12:41] guax, how ? [12:42] what kde versionw [12:42] ? [12:42] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:42] 2.1.1 [12:43] heh [12:43] i need to upgrade ? [12:43] up to you, you are far away it seems if you're running kde 2.1.1 [12:43] 4.3.3 and about 8 years has passed [12:44] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.67.57) joined ##slackware. [12:44] no it's amarok 2.2.1, i use kde 4 of course :) [12:44] |rfdrew| (n=rfdrew@230-17-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [12:45] oh hhe [12:46] przemoc86 (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:47] despiron (n=despiron@187.64.21.199) joined ##slackware. [12:48] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:48] wow, you suck jeev [12:48] bite me thrice`.. but not the same places your mom bites me [12:49] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.199.222.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:49] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:49] Action: Necos stabs fire|bird [12:49] uva (i=bno@118-160-164-147.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] :) [12:49] heya Necos [12:49] hey hey [12:50] go to sleep mofo [12:50] glen2 (n=glen@87-194-47-22.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:50] i did... have EM theory at CSUN at 11 [12:50] free_fox (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:51] no idea ? [12:51] free_fox (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [12:51] csun ahahah [12:51] that's glendale college #2 [12:51] every armenian on earth goes there, gcc, ucla or usc [12:51] heh, nope... the physics dept. is awesome [12:52] actually, most of my classmates are white (i'm the only black guy there) [12:52] weird [12:52] armo's go to csun for business/finance [12:52] yeah, i don't go to that neck of the woods... [12:53] all the hot chicks are in the econ dept tho :( [12:53] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-249.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [12:53] or in the social studies dept [12:53] heh gay [12:54] when i took upper div. econ for my gen. studies requirement, i was surrounded by sexy women... too bad the prof was a pain in the ass [12:55] csun is ok i guess [12:55] are girls shorter nowadays [12:55] every 18 year old i see if the size of my leg [12:56] lol [12:56] heh, and jeev, think about it... CSUN / UCLA / USC / CSULA are the only major unis in LA, where else are they gonna go? [12:56] free_fox (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:56] i know but i hate csun [12:57] a lot go to irvine and fullerton [12:57] you just hatin son :P [12:57] :> [12:57] yeah, fuck that drive... fullerton is in the middle of nowhereville [12:57] yep [12:58] a lot go to ucsb too [12:59] except it's expensive to live in SB, so most of them commute [12:59] which makes more traffic for the rest of us :( [12:59] na, daddies monies [12:59] see ucla is jacking shit up 34% or something [13:00] lol, csun got hit with that too [13:00] i'm taking classes at 230$ / unit [13:00] that sounds like out of state fees hehe [13:00] prashant_ (n=prashant@122.172.55.47) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:00] yeah, i'm not really feelin that... i need to take out some loans >.> [13:01] acidchild (n=ash@septic.ziwall.net) joined ##slackware. [13:01] Me-He-oew! [13:01] meow~~ [13:02] necos, why not just sell yourself to men like acidchild [13:02] because the barrier to entry is too high [13:02] who let you out of your cage? [13:02] acidchild, after seeing my master do it about 500 times, i learned how [13:02] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.136.158.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:03] master says, biiiittcchhh get back in yo hole [13:03] i found your gay porn collection. [13:03] rahul_ (i=1000@123.236.165.92) joined ##slackware. [13:03] i never found it to lose it. :/ [13:04] it was under the box with all your different rubber schelongs according to regions [13:04] O.o [13:04] you sound quiet the collecto [13:04] nop [13:04] Action: hitest wonders what this has to do with slackware [13:05] jeev: watchs his gayporn with mplayer on slackware? [13:05] :> a lot [13:05] no acidchild, vista 64 damnit [13:05] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-74-209-11-2.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:06] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [13:06] then what does this have to do with slackware? :x [13:06] it's almost related [13:06] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:07] i just upgraded to kde4.3.2, and when i start kde i do not get the panel, and if i run alt+f2, i can see the textbox has no theme, is there something more i need to install.. [13:07] chatran (n=chatran@lin097.unimedmaringa.com.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:08] where did you get kde 4.3.2 from? [13:08] heh [13:08] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:08] see, rahul_'s question is more related to gay porn than slackware =( [13:08] he said 4.3.3, you jst read it as 4.3.2! [13:09] >.> [13:09] nvision (n=nvision@g225056205.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:09] STLinux (n=linuxw@host133-70-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:09] prashant_ (n=prashant@122.172.55.47) joined ##slackware. [13:09] well, time for class... later folks [13:09] anyway, read the changelog for stuff like: kde/oxygen-icons-4.3.2-x86_64-1.txz: Added. [13:09] later Necos [13:09] hey, i am not able to run opera web browser on slack 13 [13:09] which you probably ignored [13:10] http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/kde/kde4-packages/4.3.2/ [13:10] http://thefortuno.com/underwater-river-in-mexico/ [13:10] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [13:10] rahul_, are you on slackware -current ? [13:10] no i am not thrice` [13:10] rahul_: that's why, 4.3.2 from vbatts was built for current, not 13. [13:10] here's the 1 sentence that is written on that page [13:10] These packages are un-official builds of the latest kde stable (including their dependencies or new inclusions) (to be used with -current) [13:10] sick pictures [13:10] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-74-209-11-2.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [13:11] ok... how do i upgrade to slackware-current... [13:11] if you have to ask taht question, you shouldn't be using -current [13:11] hey, i am not able to run opera web browser on slack 13. [13:11] some people ho help me to configure pidgin with gmail account' [13:13] Weird0ne (n=julianm@endeavor.jdrush.net) joined ##slackware. [13:13] STLinux (n=linuxw@host133-70-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:13] prashant_, I'm not able to make my car fly [13:14] hey thrice` i am sorry if my q is a bit too naive [13:15] thrice':hey ,nice one. [13:15] perhaps if you were to elaborate :) "it doesn't work" is the worst description you can provide [13:16] rahul_: if you cant figure out how to upgrade to -current just by studying the slackpkg manpage, then -current is not a good idea.. it will break stuff from time to time, and you dont get to complain when it does.. you only get to email Patrick a ready made fix for it [13:16] thrice':i meant that i installed opera but when i am clicking on icon, it's not responding [13:16] prashant_: what happens when you start it from an xterm? [13:16] prashant_, alright, did you install the qt4 build of operate ? did you try running from a terminal, to see it's error? which version did you install? which architecture are you on? did you use slackbuilds.org script? [13:17] which slackware version do you run? [13:17] thrice`++ [13:17] Action: macavity goes shopping [13:17] q/win 3 [13:17] bleh [13:17] wifi card dying ='( [13:17] thrice': i'm using slackware 13 [13:18] thrice': opera version 10.01 [13:18] kr_eten (n=quick@client-157-92.speedy-net.bg) left irc: "Leaving" [13:18] Mr-S^b32 (n=Mr-S^b32@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:18] use this: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/opera/ [13:18] http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [13:18] thrice':ok [13:18] and let me know if you get stuck :) [13:19] ol (n=oldslack@173-9-254-98-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19]
    f [13:19] ol (n=oldslack@173-9-254-98-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left ##slackware. [13:20] i am running slack13 production, to upgrade to slack current, what should be the approx data needed to be downloaded in terms of size [13:21] wakdep (n=wakdep@i-83-67-38-79.freedom2surf.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:21] vaibhav (n=landy@122.167.95.150) joined ##slackware. [13:22] there you go :) did you do a full install ? slackpkg will only update things which have changed since 13.0 [13:22] crappy wifi card ='( [13:22] yes i did a full install, except for kdei [13:23] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [13:25] thrice':yeah, it worked. [13:26] prashant_, cool :) my guess was that maybe you didn't grab the qt4 version [13:26] alice (i=alice@89.194.194.180) joined ##slackware. [13:27] thrice':yeah, it was not qt4. i simply went to opera site and downloaded it [13:27] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:28] thrice':one more thing, how can i replace kde with gnome? [13:28] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [13:29] nvision (n=nvision@g225063147.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [13:29] not easily :) [13:30] there are a couple of slackware gnome projects, such as "gnome slackbuild" and "dropline gnome" [13:30] thrice': ok [13:30] Don't forget gware [13:30] but I think it is a few versions behind as of yet.. dtanner has been somewhat under the weather. [13:30] gware doesn't have a 13 release, and is 2 version behind [13:31] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.88.133) joined ##slackware. [13:32] alisonken1home: btw, wifi card dying and dying and dying, over and over ='( [13:32] LitesterB (n=Litester@CPE0050ba681424-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [13:32] Camarade_Tux: I'm sure that is AMD's fault somehow. [13:33] eviljames: this computer is intel :) [13:33] and the card is an intel one too: iwl4965 [13:33] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [13:33] ;-) [13:33] Still amd's fault. [13:34] davi (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [13:34] Actually, it's not fair to blame amd for pebkac [13:34] :P [13:35] thrice': one more thing, i need to know that can lilo and grub conflict with each other? [13:35] Sort of. [13:35] SuN (i=default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:35] lilo and grub perform the same task :) I guess in some sense, they conflict [13:36] cybErpunk (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:36] rahul_ (i=1000@123.236.165.92) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:36] thrice': means a system can't run slack and deb at same time [13:37] noo, it certainly can [13:37] Well, not at the *same* time, but you can easily dual boot or VM one or the other [13:37] but if you already have grub installed from debian, while installing slackware, you should just skip the lilo installation, reboot into debian, and add your entry for slackware there [13:38] petslack (n=petslack@201-68-130-150.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:39] thrice': i have slackware installed on the system but i need to run nctuns which runs on fedora [13:39] thrice': so, i was thinking to install that. [13:40] prashant_:install fedora...and skip installation of grub and lilo....finally boot into slackware and add an entry for fedora [13:40] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:40] prashant_: Does nctuns provide a .rpm? If so rpm2tgz [13:40] vaibhav: ok [13:41] prashant_: nctuns looks similar to ns2? [13:41] eviljames: actually it is a network simulation tool. my friends have tried it on many distros, but it seems that it works well on only fedora [13:42] I didn't find that anything worked well on fedora ;) [13:42] eviljames: yeah, me too....lol [13:43] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:43] http://pastebin.com/m1b04e3c4, that means the package is screwed up, right ? [13:43] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:43] OddtheCat (n=oddtheca@173-9-254-98-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [13:43] vaibhav: sorry , i haven't used ns2. is it same? [13:43] paul424: That is definitely a failure. What package? [13:43] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.67.57) left irc: Connection timed out [13:44] prashant_: its a network simulator a general purpose one... with what i have seen about nctuns its almost the same [13:44] ok, is it working on slack? [13:45] sclebo05 (n=jlebo@66.240.11.2) joined ##slackware. [13:45] Strike (n=Strike@79.107.184.236) left irc: "Leaving" [13:45] eviljames: http://www.netlib.org/atlas/atlas3.6.0.tgz [13:45] prashant_ : yeah i was able to run it sucessfully on slack [13:46] ^^ [13:46] eviljames: guess what just happened :) [13:46] vaibhav: ok , i'll try [13:46] Camarade_Tux: your intel gear worked perfectly, in spite of your efforts? :P [13:46] lordkelmain (n=lordkelm@unreachable.vpi.net) joined ##slackware. [13:46] eviljames: wifi failed :) [13:47] eviljames: at boot, I just "lsmod", if iwlagn is loaded, card is working, if not ... it isn't [13:47] Zero_ultimatum (n=maxzero5@117.199.162.90) joined ##slackware. [13:47] paul424: if you unpack the source tree and do ./configure --prefix=/some/where/it/wont/pollute/your/system && make && make install does it go? [13:47] and if it's working, nothing prevents it from failing a few seconds later [13:48] prashant_ ; what exactly are you trying to do? [13:48] How can I configure Huawei E169 3g usb stick in Slackware 13.0? [13:50] vaibhav: this nctuns is used in our college's networks lab.so, i needed to install it [13:51] eviljames: there is no configure file ... [13:51] prashant_ : oh alright... i used ns2 to simulate S-MAC protocol for which it was quite sufficient... [13:52] vaibhav: oh [13:52] paul424: ok, grep for PREFIX and/or DESTDIR in the makefile ? [13:53] OddtheCat (n=oddtheca@173-9-254-98-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: [13:53] ChArLoK_16 (n=chatzill@82.137.203.132) joined ##slackware. [13:53] prashant_ : if you dont mind, what college ? [13:54] eviljames: nothing found, besides some of the scripts belong to the floppy group, but that does not matter ... [13:54] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:54] vaibhav:bit, bangalore [13:57] Phoenix_br (n=chatzill@189-19-71-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]" [13:58] prashant_: are you from BOmbay ? [13:58] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:58] paul424: no paul, from bangalore [13:59] marra (i=marra@fly.srk.fer.hr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:59] marra (i=marra@fly.srk.fer.hr) joined ##slackware. [14:01] prashant_ : incidentally, i am in bangalore but may move out in some time ( might be next month) [14:01] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9WVmNfgjtQ <- hmmm, TPM (2:25 and on) [14:02] vaibhav: you are working or studying here? [14:02] prashant_ : working [14:03] eviljames: stuff based on recent gmake/Autotools doesnt have DESTDIR in the main Makefile (yet it still works.. go figure) [14:04] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:04] macavity: and what does grep say? [14:04] Camarade_Tux: i am not paul :P it was just an observation that the good old truism doesnt always work anymore [14:04] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [14:05] vaibhav: oh, i see [14:05] tuxdev (n=tgoya@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [14:05] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:05] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [14:05] joe^ (n=joe@151.81.163.23) joined ##slackware. [14:06] alice (i=alice@89.194.194.180) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:07] merciful (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:07] macavity: ;-) [14:08] dmsh (n=dmsh@ppp91-78-123-81.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:09] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:09] Axius (n=ade@92.84.22.169) joined ##slackware. [14:09] dmsh (n=dmsh@ppp91-78-123-81.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) left ##slackware. [14:09] prashant_ (n=prashant@122.172.55.47) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:10] ElectRo` (n=alert@63-224-20-63.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [14:10] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [14:11] eviljames: grep says nothing. [14:11] hrm. [14:12] according to what macavity says, make DESTDIR=/somewhere/that/wont/pollute install *might* work. [14:12] or run make install as a regular user, it shouldn't have permission to place stuff in /usr or wherever [14:13] when in doubt, try DESTDIR as a regular user.. it usually gets *something* copied before make craps out about not being able to suid root something (or whatever) :P [14:13] The_Seeker (n=seeker@5ac89913.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [14:13] nimbius (i=nimbius@iceland.freeshell.org) joined ##slackware. [14:14] ahoi slack [14:14] does slackware support EXT3? [14:14] nimbius: why wouldn't it ? [14:14] good question de [14:14] No. [14:14] Slack only supports NTFS [14:15] eviljames: wrong, only FAT32 [14:15] eviljames so then how do i copy over my active directory so i can make it an exchange server? [14:15] im clicking but i dont see anything. [14:15] eviljames: http://pastebin.com/m7e8f407b [14:15] nimbius: hahahah best response ever. [14:16] you guys are WAY off line here [14:16] slackware only supports what is *known* stable [14:16] and that means, having been in the kernel for at least 15 years [14:16] so, minixfs is the prefered / fs :P [14:16] ext4? [14:16] joe^ (n=joe@151.81.163.23) left ##slackware. [14:17] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.27) left irc: [14:17] eviljames: your fault! [14:17] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.198.93) joined ##slackware. [14:17] im looking for a distro alternative, and im coming from Fedora. [14:17] on the topic of fedora from earlier: http://lwn.net/Articles/362592/ [14:17] nimbius: GNU/Linux does not really support AD yet.. Samba4 is supposed to fix this in the future [14:18] nimbius: and getting it to do exchange stuff is even further away (unless you go buy some crap from Novel) [14:18] It hinkt he fedora thing is being blown way out of proportion [14:19] yup [14:19] OddtheCat (n=oddtheca@173-9-254-98-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] nvision (n=nvision@g225063147.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:19] eviljames: and some developers see it as a feature o_O [14:19] that's what happens whe lusers have oppinion in things they have no clue about :P [14:20] some people prefer to stir up shit instead of actually understanding [14:20] thrice`: you think allowing unprivileged users to install packages isn't worrysome? [14:20] only packages to which the root admin has allowed [14:20] note: I haven't read much more than the sensationalist headline [14:20] which, by default, is only from the fedora repo [14:20] Fedora seems to have figured out a new exciting way to disable root accounts :) [14:20] if they split the repository in "services" and "apps" or something like that, i dont see why not.. they have to be signed [14:20] Camarade_Tux, you come back:) [14:20] ...all those laid off Microsoft employees already found work. [14:20] it's not like you can download some random RPM and install it without root access [14:21] songohan: the wifi card is probably going to die soon :) [14:21] heh.. next they will make it impossible to download and install random RPM even *with* root access :P [14:21] Camarade_Tux: send it back and have them replace it [14:21] someone have an idea why amarok don't recognize my audio cd ? [14:21] eviljames: probably too old [14:21] Camarade_Tux: get a new one! [14:21] songohan: Does Amarok 2 even play audio cds? [14:21] you can buy a new wifi card pretty cheap [14:22] oh, it looks like it does. [14:22] Camarade_Tux: do it for nabucho :( [14:22] and the fedora thing is for "the desktop spin, not the server one", so it makes sense I think [14:22] i guess [14:22] eviljames: yes [14:22] (one of the first comments on the bugtracker) [14:22] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.88.133) left irc: "Leaving." [14:22] deco: might get one netbook or even less expensive [14:22] for a desktop install, allowing stuff from the fedora repos seems OK [14:22] Camarade_Tux: oh nice [14:22] thrice`: I'm probably going to buy one card this week-end [14:22] vaibhav (n=landy@122.167.95.150) left irc: "Leaving" [14:23] jeims (n=ghost@78.90.113.108) joined ##slackware. [14:23] i need .asoundrc file for spdif (iec958) - for multi channel, where can i find? [14:23] there's a laptop that should cost 80¬ (or dollars?) [14:23] :D [14:23] songohan: I stand corrected, from Amarok's FAQ (http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/FAQ) Amarok 2 does not support audiocd playback. [14:23] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-77-181.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:23] thrice`: that depends.. i am rather sure that the local admin would be pretty pissed of luser joe installed tor or something witout his knowledge [14:23] Hello [14:23] Camarade_Tux: and no x right ? :P [14:23] Helloooooo macavity deco =) [14:23] fredoslack: hi [14:23] eviljames, ok [14:23] chill engergizer bunny :P [14:23] http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/FAQ#How_do_I_play_audio-CDs [14:23] deco, i'm with slackware-current [14:23] macavity: except this is limited to some repos so there won't be many apps... [14:23] i love it :} [14:24] hi Camarade_Tux eviljames =) [14:24] Camarade_Tux: ok.. now it all in all starts looking like a nice feature [14:24] and it's a single command to remove the privilage [14:24] okay, so for the record, installing anything from the repositories is "a bad thing"(c) i dont want to see john the ripper, nmap, or god forbid another dhcp or dns server coming online without me knowing about it. [14:24] hmm.. [14:24] if you don't trust joe user, run the command to disable it on his machine [14:24] and considering fedoras yum repository system has been compromised once, i still thinnk its a terrible idea. [14:24] Action: macavity starts hackup of a slackware counterpart [14:24] ooOOooOOoOOOoooo I clearly don't pay close enough attention, slackware-current = kde 4.3 now eh? [14:24] eviljames: yeah, 4.3.3 [14:24] eviljames: 4.3.3 [14:25] eviljames: and it *rocks* [14:25] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:25] macavity: ++ [14:25] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:25] i need .asoundrc file for spdif (iec958) - for multi channel, where can i find? [14:25] fraktil (n=fraktil@pool-96-248-227-5.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:25] device 0 card 4 [14:25] nimbius, yeah, I can honestly see both sides. but the shit people are throwing is pretty dumb [14:25] thrice` i think its ridiculous a redhat employee proposed and approved of the change. [14:25] now i just wait for linux-2.6.32 so i can get to play with the new Mesa [14:26] install the RC :) [14:26] n-e-g-a-t-o-r-y [14:26] nimbius, it was that way for a really long time in their repos, and noone said anything [14:26] that's not the macavity I know :( [14:27] worst-case is you revert 2 packages, and boot the older kernel :> [14:27] hes still down with a flu :p [14:27] last rc kernel i played with fucked up completely [14:27] btw, how long down the line is Mesa-7.6? [14:27] nimbius: actually if you can compromise fedora repos, just put a remotely-triggable vulnerability in a kernel, works even better [14:27] Action: nimbius is installing slackware partitions on his lappy. [14:28] 7.6 has been out for a long time [14:28] dooh [14:28] macavity: the rc works :) [14:28] Linux jarjar 2.6.32-rc2 #15 SMP Thu Nov 19 14:21:17 CET 2009 [14:28] 7.6.1rc1 was out yesterday, and might be final today or tomorrow [14:28] nimbius: go for the trifecta, my laptop currently triple-boots: Slackware, OpenSolaris and Windows Vista. [14:28] eviljames god you are evil. [14:28] I'm on 2.6.32rc7 myself, and it's solid [14:28] okies.. then we might actually see this in -current soon anyhow [14:28] its like putting a war vet, a scientist and a retard in the same room. [14:29] my other computer has .32-rc6 and it's working well too :) [14:29] nimbius++ [14:29] eviljames: It'd be better if you just su -c "rm -rf Vista" :P [14:29] hahahahah for both nimbius & fire|bird [14:30] fire|bird: noooo! eviljames has his pr0n stored on an encrypted windows fs -_- [14:30] I figure I have a license for Vista, why not at least have it installed? maybe someday I will need to use a gaming platform. [14:30] he can only access it through windows [14:30] Camarade_Tux: no, he moved it to an off-site storage facility now, stored on an xfs fs. [14:31] Nick change: giuppy_ -> giuppy [14:31] what soft do you use to play audio cd ? [14:31] songohan: is that a laptop or a workstation? [14:31] laptop, why this question ? [14:32] because i was wondering if the old "you need the cdrom audio cable" was still at play [14:32] fire|bird: you mean he transferred his 400GB? :o [14:32] macavity: ^^ [14:32] but i guess that everything should use cdda now [14:33] songohan: I would rip the CD to data files (ogg/flac/mp3 whatever) then put it in a case for archival and hopefully never damage the original media. [14:33] Camarade_Tux: yeah, that way, he saves the space on local hdd's. Now, he just has to ssh into it and there it is. :) [14:34] Why do you guys know so much about my pr0n collection? The encryption must not be working right :( [14:34] eviljames: ... you did it from Vista... [14:34] fire|bird: do you think he plays it with libcaca to save bandwidth? [14:34] eviljames, it's a good idea but also i would like play audio when i want [14:34] Camarade_Tux: probably [14:34] eviljames: look behind you, see the webcam? :) [14:34] jeims (n=ghost@78.90.113.108) left irc: "lPt" [14:35] hi [14:35] *fap*fap*fap*fap*...what? [14:35] songohan: does cdda-player work? [14:35] songohan: its a command line tool [14:36] hm [14:36] eviljames: You hadn't noticed? We broke that encryption a while back. I don't even want to know about Camarade_Tux_does_France.wmv . :P [14:36] i thought i only needed one slackware CD, turns out i need them all?? [14:36] eviljames: smile for the camera :) [14:36] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [14:36] nimbius: The rest of the packages can be downloaded if need be. [14:36] fire|bird: ^^ [14:36] and does slackware compile each program as i select it? [14:36] nimbius: gotta catch em all! [14:36] macavity, i don't how install it. [14:36] ahhh [14:37] so this might bececause you didnt do a full install? [14:37] nimbius: You have the option of binary packages (.tgz,.txz) or building via SlackBuilds if you so choose. [14:37] macavity, i don't know.... [14:37] songohan: what happens if you type "cdda-play" in an xterm? [14:37] write a master slackbuild file that daisy chains all the other slackbuild files then one command can build as many packages as you want [14:37] nimbius: Generally, the binary packages from slackware.com (or approved mirror) are well-made and trusted. SlackBuild scripts from slackbuilds.org also fall into that category. [14:38] songohan: it comes in the package "libcdio" [14:38] songohan: that should be a clue that you are most surely missing something...... [14:38] FateSlack (n=fernando@srvinternet.cometais.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:38] nimbius: If you are more used to binary distros there are tools like slackpkg which will be useful for you. [14:38] macavity, i haven't see that it's a command line tool [14:38] hello [14:38] have some work to do, see you later :) [14:38] macavity, it works thanks [14:38] ok [14:38] who could help me install the atlas package ? [14:39] songohan: so far so good.. we know that cdda *does* work on your computer [14:39] songohan: then it might be some setting in Amarok or KDE about it [14:39] thanks [14:39] but i have to go prepare dinner now [14:39] macavity: fyi, per amarok faq, amarok2 does not do audiocd. [14:39] ill be back in about an half an hour [14:40] songohan: but xmms or mplayer may do the trick.. [14:40] O_O [14:40] macavity, have a good lunch [14:40] forgottenwizard (n=example@adsl-179-21-231.bna.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:40] odd.. i could have *sworn* i used. [14:40] ahh.. no, that was amarok 1.6 [14:40] songohan: go file a bug repport for missing feature in Amarok :P [14:40] Action: macavity skids to the kitchen [14:41] anyone can help me with advanced routing? [14:41] does pidof exist in Slackware? [14:41] is there any way to install slackware with a single CD? [14:41] nimbius: DVD [14:41] sclebo05 (n=jlebo@66.240.11.2) left ##slackware. [14:41] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-77-181.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [14:42] must be showing my age. [14:42] elliot98, try pgrep [14:42] what is difference? [14:42] Axius (n=ade@92.84.22.169) left irc: "Leaving" [14:42] i have 2 internet links [14:42] nimbius: everything on disc 2/3 can be downloaded via slackpkg though. [14:42] nimbius: So you can complete the base install w/ just disc 1, then get whatever you had missed. [14:42] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [14:43] and i want to redirect traffic http https for link 1 and pop and smtp for link 2 [14:43] The_Seeker (n=seeker@5ac89913.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:43] eviljames, i haven't succeeded with this softs :( [14:43] hello [14:43] i create a table in /etc/iproute/rt_table [14:43] is there something unusual about pidof that it doesn't exist? [14:43] table 200 named aserv [14:44] i put on iptables a mark 2 for port 80 and 443 [14:44] and mark 3 for pop and smtp [14:44] there are some scripts that require pidof...is there a way to install it? [14:44] add route for table aserv [14:45] elliot98: /sbin/pidof [14:45] when i down the link 2 (pop and smtp) the link 1 dont navigate [14:45] echelon (n=echelon@2001:41d0:1:bb3f:0:0:0:1020) joined ##slackware. [14:45] anyone help? [14:45] FateSlack: Are you wanting to re-direct outgoing connections, or incoming? [14:45] both [14:45] all traffic http and https for link 1 [14:45] The_Seeker (n=seeker@5ac89913.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [14:46] Outgoing isn't too difficult. Incoming though... I have no clue how to do that. [14:46] hi, i'm trying to use my cellphone as a dialup modem but i don't know what the device name is so i could use it in wvdial [14:46] You're best bet may be #iptables or some similar channel. [14:46] hum [14:46] right [14:46] thanks [14:47] elliot98: In the man page for pidof, it states that it is just a link to killall5, both of which reside in /sbin, provided by package sysvinit.. if you don't have that installed it is worrisome :P [14:47] i checked lsusb, and i think it's recognized as a modem.. bInterfaceSubClass 2 Abstract (modem) [14:48] dmesg doesn't show what the device is [14:48] eviljames...thanks! just saw that I need to be root to use it [14:48] elliot98: np. [14:48] FateSlack (n=fernando@srvinternet.cometais.com.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:48] usb 4-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 [14:48] usb 4-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice [14:48] usb 4-2: USB disconnect, address 2 [14:49] it just shows that [14:49] eviljames: pidof is a symbolic link to killall5...man killall5 states it kills all processes? [14:50] Nick change: davi -> cybErpunk [14:50] pidof just lists the pid for a process [14:50] anyone? [14:50] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] i tried it on another phone in the past, and all i needed was Modem = /dev/ttyACM0 [14:52] but that doesn't work for this one for some reason [14:52] how can pidof link to killall5? [14:52] songohan (n=songohan@ALyon-553-1-1-65.w92-145.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [14:52] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2008-04-03 12:04 /sbin/pidof -> killall5 [14:53] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Success [14:53] songohan (n=songohan@ALyon-553-1-1-65.w92-145.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:54] echelon: you have an older Slackware version installed [14:54] umm... 12.1 :-/ [14:54] alice (i=alice@89.194.75.100) joined ##slackware. [14:54] ok [14:55] spectre1 (n=kyle@41.202.225.145) joined ##slackware. [14:55] but no one's worked with usb modems before? [14:55] echelon...I see that, but pidof does something totally different than killall5 [14:55] is sbin part of a user's path? [14:55] no, root's [14:55] roots [14:55] not by default [14:56] i think killall5 just checks against what command you used to execute it [14:56] i forget what it's called [14:56] argv[0] [14:57] just out of curiosity, why does SW use rc.d instead of init.d? [14:57] ..... [14:57] that's one of its features [14:57] ask its maintainer [14:57] just preference [14:57] i prefer the bsd-style myself [14:58] oh, it's the bsd-style [14:58] ok [14:58] is an rc.d file identical to the files that would go into init.d? [14:58] forgottenwizard (n=example@adsl-179-21-231.bna.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [14:59] no [14:59] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.136.158.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:59] they are distro-specific [14:59] ÔÕÖ×ÝÛÛÜøù [14:59] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [15:00] however, don't some source tar.gz created init.d files? [15:00] that is, a slackware file from rc.d/ probably won't work properly on another distro that uses rc.d/ [15:00] see you ppl [15:01] :) [15:01] cheers! [15:01] whats the hack with this install script, I run it as a root ... probably its asking about display number: Enter number at top left of screen [0]: But then I am screwed up ; I get Unable to open file 'CONFIG/errata.txt', continuing without display where the messages supposed to be. Aha I run the terminal under kde, I must something miss in my configuration. [15:01] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer" [15:01] ? [15:01] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:02] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:02] ØßÞÝäꩪ°± [15:03] stop typing question marks [15:03] eviljames: your fault! [15:03] stopped [15:03] Camarade_Tux: always. [15:04] Camarade_Tux: When in doubt, blame eviljames :) [15:04] . [15:05] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-lycjxkpstjkshuzi) joined ##slackware. [15:06] I am a little confused about rc.4 and rc4.d [15:06] one is a directory and the other a init script [15:06] how do they play? [15:07] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.92.128) joined ##slackware. [15:07] nvision (n=nvision@g225063208.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:07] are there any stuff needing sysvinit-functions nowadays? [15:08] i think vmware is one but dont know of other ones [15:08] Nickwiz (n=kvirc@208.80-202-164.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [15:08] fire|bird: when in doubt c4 [15:08] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:09] snL20: lol, that works too. :P [15:09] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.198.93) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:09] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@nat-165-91-12-89.tamulink.tamu.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:09] doesn't slackware's TeX distribution come with dropping package? [15:09] it says can't find dropping.sty [15:09] what I do wrong ? emacs :No protocol specified Display :0.0 unavailable, simulating -nw [15:11] slackware's init system is kind of confusion, elliot98; I wouldn't worry about any of that, it's more for "compatability" with stuff like vmware [15:11] guys, can I choose between a EHCI and UHCI controller? [15:11] Zero_ultimatum (n=maxzero5@117.199.162.90) left ##slackware. [15:12] confusing * [15:12] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:12] Hi, Is there a better solution to Flash then Adobe? I'm running Slack 13 on a AMD Turion 64 x2TL-56 / 1.8 GHz with 2 GB RAM. If I have a couple of flash-media pages open at once, PC does not handle the task - CPU goes highwire. [15:13] Using Firefox for most / and Opera for some. [15:13] KDE is worst [15:13] XF is better [15:13] xfce [15:13] no, flash sucks [15:14] Action: deco stabs flash [15:14] imarambiocatan_ (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [15:14] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:15] free_fox (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [15:15] well, hate it utterly more and more myself, - tho there are no problem in XP on a AMD 850MHz 1 GB RAM. But Im trying to start a new era with nix... [15:15] Nick change: imarambiocatan_ -> nachox [15:16] I have script xconfig and it gives me : Unable to open file 'CONFIG/errata.txt', continuing without display. ? Why it cannot open, why it DOES exist under that path ? [15:16] whoa I was way lost in background [15:16] err backlog [15:17] Action: paul424 fg eviljames [15:17] wurst (n=wurst@g225098247.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:19] alice (i=alice@89.194.75.100) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:19] uppss s/why/while [15:20] applicable: http://www.xkcd.com/619/ [15:20] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [15:20] Nickwiz: ^ [15:20] paul424: tbh, no clue. [15:21] eviljames: nice ,.. :) [15:22] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:c3) left irc: Operation timed out [15:22] Nickwiz: Also applicable: http://imgur.com/73EAu [15:22] Nickwiz: Not that it will help you much as it seems to be specific to the intel driver.. [15:22] wurst (n=wurst@g225098247.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [15:24] eviljames: is that a mac? :o [15:24] (and in case you were wondering, yes, mac failed again :) ) [15:25] Camarade_Tux: some random image, probably taken on a mac [15:25] argh. this no torrent at work policy is a disaster. [15:26] eviljames: yes, - but thank you, - ill be over on new laptop for school as soon as I manage to decide what to buy, - but "fear" itll be AMD there to,... [15:26] i mean its fine for regular users, but EVERY FLOSS os i look at is moving to torrents or jigdo. [15:26] songohan (n=songohan@ALyon-553-1-1-65.w92-145.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:27] eviljames: not yours at least? [15:27] Nickwiz: I haven't bought AMD since the Duron or maybe earlier days.. I made the mistake of taking off the heat sink of a running machine for ~5 seconds [15:27] Nickwiz: it promptly melted. [15:27] nimbius (i=nimbius@iceland.freeshell.org) left ##slackware ("thanks guys!!"). [15:28] Camarade_Tux: No, I have no mac. My house is Linux and Unix, with the exception of a single partition on my laptop [15:28] Though, Macs ARE Unix, so I suppose it would be acceptable.. 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[15:31] Action: macavity has a foodgasm, compleate with drooling, rolling eyes and muscle spasms [15:31] brbFOOOOOD gotta feed my fat butt [15:31] eviljames: beat ya to it ol' boy :P [15:31] aiiiiiii (n=Ig0r@Tribalero.Atlantica.US) left irc: Client Quit [15:32] at some meeting recently, I saw guy at a freebsd stand, when I asked him what he was running, he told me "freebsd with an good WM", it was actually mac os x which I had failed to recognize for I was expecting everything but that [15:32] I nearly killed him [15:32] aiiiiiii (n=Ig0r@Tribalero.Atlantica.US) joined ##slackware. [15:32] eviljames: ai, huff og huff. I have been on AMD since 2001. But that is mere a choice of coincidence rather than conviction. Guess I speek more moral on the topic mere then practice it heartly. [15:32] I think the "osx runs bsd kernel" is retarded [15:32] retsudo (n=retsudo@unaffiliated/retsudo) left irc: "Quit" [15:32] eviljames: that was just a general remark. it didnt aim at you in particular [15:33] Camarade_Tux: that's sick [15:33] thrice`: yeah, and not only that, also the "good WM"... [15:33] it sucks, it does as much as vista's (7's probably does more...) [15:34] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:36] mupi_ (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [15:37] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-77-181.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:37] 7 is nice :D [15:39] what does the --prefix=/foo/bar does to the .configure ? [15:39] changes the prefix to /foo/bar instead of /usr/local? [15:39] it's where the app is going to get ultimately installed to [15:40] tuxdev: ok thanks. [15:40] paul424: the default prefix for most packages is /usr/local/.. you probably dont want that if you are making packages [15:40] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: "Fui embora" [15:40] like binaries in $PREFIX/bin, and libraries in $PREFIX/lib, and data in $PREFIX/share [15:40] klein (n=klein@unaffiliated/klein) joined ##slackware. [15:40] macavity: once again? don't want ... to change, you mean ? [15:41] If you're making packages, prefix *must* be /usr [15:41] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [15:41] mm, disagree [15:41] i've made /opt before as well as /usr/local [15:41] maaybe /opt for very special cases [15:41] it should be, but certainly you can plop stuff to /opt or somewhere else [15:41] nothing *must* its linux [15:41] *very* special cases [15:41] r_linux (n=r_linux@189.38.220.35) left irc: "lalala caindo fora!" [15:41] (woot, troll started \o/ ) [15:42] it's up to you :) /usr is typical for 95%+ of stuff, lets say :) [15:42] in fact, i quite like /usr/local [15:42] sahk0, slack is looser about it, but the debian manual actually explicitely states it as a MUST [15:42] i built kde-3.x for slack 13 and prefixed it to /usr/local [15:42] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:43] tuxdev: screw debian [15:43] both qt3.x & kde3.x [15:43] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [15:43] and fedora [15:43] tuxdev: yeah, thats one of the main reasons i dont use it [15:43] paul424: personally i keep /usr/local/ in a state where i can completely nuke it if something goes wrong.. then, once i am sure my package works the way i want, i go --prefix=/usr [15:43] and and linuxpackages.net [15:43] pretty much everything [15:44] with varying levels of force [15:44] macavity: i do that sometimes with /usr/local sometimes [15:44] "i am sure my package works the way i want" <- Nice. [15:44] the original idea for /opt was add-on or supplementary (and completely self-contained) packages [15:45] i think that's been lost somewhat [15:45] don't worry, be happyyy =) [15:45] I hate /opt, personally. [15:45] for horrible build systems like the OOo one /opt is the only option [15:45] there's no reason we need ANOTHER directory with binaries and libraries [15:46] the only sane/easy option* [15:46] sahk0, why? plop OOo into /usr/lib/openoffice/, and link the binaries to /usr/bin [15:46] KDE used to live in /opt [15:46] so did gnome [15:46] I think that died since 3.3 or somesuch [15:47] thrice`: well yeah, maybe that too. the way firefox is packaged. no objections. [15:47] beyond 8 [15:47] tuxdev, my /opt ' repository is empty [15:47] ? [15:47] ff is another example of a horrible build system [15:47] tons of crap in mine :) [15:47] my opt has a few things, but to be honest i could rm -rf /opt and not feel any emotional pain at all :) [15:47] cab i move /opt ti /trash ? =) [15:47] FF doesn't have a horrible build system, it simply doesn't have one [15:47] can * [15:48] tuxdev, huh? ff uses autotools [15:48] fredoslack, better leave around, doesn't hurt anything [15:48] andreas-- (n=andy@unaffiliated/slacky) joined ##slackware. [15:48] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:48] tuxdev, i can delete this repository ? [15:48] can i * [15:49] fredoslack: please be clear about the distinction between a directory and a repository [15:49] ok [15:49] I have the file Make.Linux_ATHLON, after running a xconfig what should I do ? [15:50] >_< [15:50] c:\windows : is it a directoty or a repository ? ^^ [15:50] directory * sorry [15:50] directory [15:50] http://kloeri.livejournal.com/12231.html [15:50] or a suppository [15:50] ok [15:50] lol mancha [15:51] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.20.74) joined ##slackware. [15:51] LitesterB (n=Litester@CPE0050ba681424-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:52] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [15:52] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) joined ##slackware. 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Can't even build something with 1 command line!! autotools obviously sucks because of that. [15:58] anyone ever tried to compile *only* xulrunner from firefox? [15:58] im on KDE 4.2.4 (Slack 13.0 native) - Is it recomended to upgrade to KDE 4.3 ? KDE has crashed two times in 1 month. [15:58] maybe he means actually making the macro files when you're developing? [15:58] Camarade_Tux, yep :) not on slackware, though [15:58] jaskorpe (i=jaskorpe@knuth.ping.uio.no) returned to ##slackware. [15:58] Nickwiz: you could go to slackware-current and get kde 4.3.3 [15:58] developers, developers, developers! [15:58] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) returned to ##slackware. [15:59] Epigrammaticus (n=BadAtom@badatom.org) returned to ##slackware. [15:59] errordeveloper (n=errordev@host86-151-40-94.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) returned to ##slackware. [15:59] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) returned to ##slackware. 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[15:59] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-71-183-41-241.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) returned to ##slackware. [15:59] frimer (i=frimer@szluug.org) returned to ##slackware. [15:59] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) returned to ##slackware. [15:59] C00re (i=hard@unaffiliated/c00re) returned to ##slackware. [15:59] W|GGL|T (n=ron@c-68-33-193-204.hsd1.va.comcast.net) returned to ##slackware. [15:59] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) returned to ##slackware. [15:59] ananke (n=ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) returned to ##slackware. [15:59] bennymack (n=ben@cpe-72-231-198-162.buffalo.res.rr.com) returned to ##slackware. [15:59] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-136-21.dsl.telepac.pt) returned to ##slackware. [15:59] thrice`: that was horrible, full of warnings and errors and *I* haven't managed, how did it went for you? [15:59] JJJunkk_ (i=spole@panix1.panix.com) joined ##slackware. [15:59] brixton_ (i=brixton@efnetwarrior.com) joined ##slackware. [15:59] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware. [15:59] caio (n=caio@190.244.41.20) joined ##slackware. [15:59] fire|bird: btw, dbus-glib was being a pita for my browser. solution? use something better ;-) [16:00] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:00] mancha, pretty much. Also when autotools breaks, it breaks *bad* [16:00] danklesm1n (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [16:00] Camarade_Tux, slackware is one of hte only distros that doesn't separate xulrunner out from FF. I've had good luck with it [16:00] bennymac1 (n=ben@cpe-72-231-198-162.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:00] W|GGL|T_ (n=ron@c-68-33-193-204.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:00] agris (n=agris@pasts.blondais.lv) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:00] agris (n=agris@pasts.blondais.lv) joined ##slackware. [16:00] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [16:00] LifeForce4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [16:00] ananke_ (n=ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:00] julioc (n=Who@unaffiliated/juli0/x-182974) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:00] Nick change: caio -> Guest77150 [16:00] julioc (n=Who@201-43-247-66.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:00] http://math-atlas.sourceforge.net/atlas_install/atlas_install.html#SECTION00050000000000000000 hey look here what should I do now ?????????????????? the make build from BuildDir does NOT WORK. [16:00] I hate people who split and don't join close enough so irssi factors them out, I hate *you* all! -_- [16:00] :/ [16:00] ChArLoK_16 (n=chatzill@82.137.203.132) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]" [16:00] JJJunkk (i=spole@panix1.panix.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:01] thrice`: seems you've been much luckier than I've been... [16:01] hy (i=cenobite@silver.zuinigerijder.com) left irc: "changing servers" [16:01] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-71-183-41-241.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:01] hy (i=cenobite@silver.zuinigerijder.com) joined ##slackware. [16:01] and autotools most usually works, and works on strange configurations, for strange compilation methods (cross, canadian...), *that* others don't [16:02] eviljames: ah, ok, thank you, - so that would be eg: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-current/slackware/kde/ , - download and install all... ? [16:02] sh ./install-packages [16:03] Nickwiz: No, it's not wise to mix packages like that (i.e. 13 and -current) especially with KDE, it would not work well, if at all. [16:03] I've found that it does sort of okay for the simple stuff that the upstream devs can actually test, but breaks if you get anywhere outside of that [16:03] Pig_Pen_ (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [16:03] but one could blame the upstream app devs for not knowing autotools well enough.. [16:04] even though I prefer to blame autotools for not being easy enough to understand [16:04] some stuff is overly cryptic i agree [16:04] fire|bird: ok, so a totall re-install (to slack-current), - or a manual step by step check by check tweak by tweak install of KDE 4.3 ? [16:05] Guest77150 (n=caio@190.244.41.20) left irc: "leaving" [16:05] Nickwiz: Generally, if you want current, you can either upgrade to -current, from 13, or do a clean install of -current. [16:05] Nickwiz, I did a slackpkg upgrade-all, deleted .kde, and it worked okay [16:05] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [16:06] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-71-183-41-241.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:07] Nick change: grekkos -> Guest68226 [16:07] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [16:07] why all are ignoring me ? [16:07] Nickwiz: who? wha? I forgot what we are talking about [16:08] paul424: probably because they don't have an answer for your question.. [16:08] eviljames: haha, draw a blank? :P [16:08] how to work files with - on name in bash? (n00b question but i googled) [16:08] paul424, the IRC netsplit spam probably didn't help [16:08] guax: example? [16:08] guax, ./- [16:08] (of the full command-line) [16:08] eviljames: no worry. Got needed assistance from fire|birdand tuxdev [16:08] fire|birdy :) [16:08] tuxdev: whats the netsplit ? you mean that I ask at several channels ? [16:08] what i want is: gunzip 'chrome-linux.zip' [16:09] paul424: No [16:09] guax: and it doesn't work? [16:09] * s/dand/d and/ [16:09] o crap [16:09] guax: bah [16:09] gunzip? [16:09] guax: unzip, not gunzip [16:09] * adamk_ has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [16:09] ^^ [16:09] aueuhaeuheauheauhe [16:09] yeah, i got that [16:09] Action: Camarade_Tux pats guax [16:09] shame shame on me [16:09] paul424, , that quit message is part of a netsplit [16:09] it's when a part of the IRC network can't stay on [16:10] in some places you need a permit for gunzip [16:10] Camarade_Tux: I have a xulrunner package here. Mainly because with seamonkey you can no longer build or use certain other software [16:10] SO, I removed seamonkey and installed my xulrunner package. Nothing's broken yet [16:11] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Connection timed out [16:11] Still need to compile stuff like pidgin as a test, but at least VLC compiles it's browser plugin again [16:11] ananke (n=ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) left irc: Connection timed out [16:11] if both firefox and seamonkey can build against xulrunner, why not split it out ? [16:11] W|GGL|T (n=ron@c-68-33-193-204.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:11] i asked Pat once why he doesnt use a spilt xulrunner. his only issue seemed to be that 32bit redistributes the binaries which have it built in [16:11] did someone say 'seamonkey' ? can i haz my seamonkey security patch? [16:11] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:11] bennymack (n=ben@cpe-72-231-198-162.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [16:11] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Connection timed out [16:11] alienBOB: that was two years ago, maybe my compile-fu was lower (although I wasn't bad either) but that was a real pain [16:11] when xulrunner is installed, firefox takes about 20 seconds to compile [16:11] anyway, good to know it's going ok :) [16:12] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [16:12] thrice`: well, firefox should have nothing to compile ;-) [16:12] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: Connection timed out [16:12] just the browser portion at that point [16:12] isn't that part in XUL? [16:12] brixton (i=brixton@efnetwarrior.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:13] xulrunner is just the backend stuff [16:13] Guest72075 (n=caio@190.244.41.20) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:13] so, the browser, and (I think) the mail app (t-bird 3, perhaps) can build against it [16:14] also ive been wondering lately if the mozilla-firefox package needs a doinst.sh like seamonkey [16:14] so, rather than building the backend 2 or 3 times for FF, seamonkey, and thunderbird, you only build it once [16:14] with ldconfig* [16:15] pprkut: ever got the touchpad bug again? for me it seems to be really gone [16:15] oh no it doesnt [16:15] Camarade_Tux: constantly [16:15] mupi_ (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Connection timed out [16:15] cause seamonkey provides xulrunner [16:16] spectre1 (n=kyle@41.202.225.145) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:16] pprkut: which kernel. [16:16] ? 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[16:18] well, I'd maybe prefer that to having my wireless card die ;-) [16:18] thrice` , deco : tho, it can be phun: http://www.tackfilm.se/?id=1258653572921RA18 [16:18] (I can't believe it's been working for one hour :P ) [16:18] Nick change: Pig_Pen_ -> Pig_Pen [16:18] heh, yeah. And the boot-option still works (I guess, haven't tried in a long time) [16:19] songohan: oh, you're actually a few kilometers away from me (at most) ;p [16:19] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) returned to ##slackware. [16:19] it's getting a bit annoying though, since I have to reboot to get the touchpad detected as Synaptics device. Sometimes even more than once :/ [16:19] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:19] apoca (n=apoca@haydn.n2.nognu.de) returned to ##slackware. [16:19] C00re (i=hard@unaffiliated/c00re) returned to ##slackware. [16:19] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-136-21.dsl.telepac.pt) returned to ##slackware. [16:19] Camarade_Tux, not at all [16:19] pprkut: what? why? [16:20] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@193.239.140.184) returned to ##slackware. [16:20] oh, maybe if I had read backlog I'd've known that :P [16:20] songohan: I'm going through ssh ;-) [16:20] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [16:20] eviljames: fais dodo, cola mon p'tit frère :) [16:20] ?? [16:20] hahah [16:21] songohan: physically, I'm near Charpennes ;-) [16:21] mupi_ (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [16:21] oui, je fais le dodo.. [16:21] eviljames: heh, you would need a backlog of a few months to get everything :P [16:21] eviljames: old kernel bug ;-) [16:21] pprkut: I just caught enough to see synaptics won't work w/o several reboots and thought "wtF?!" [16:21] Camarade_Tux, so we are neighboors :) [16:21] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Killed by sagan.freenode.net (Nick collision) [16:21] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware. [16:21] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.189.31) returned to ##slackware. [16:21] Blikjeham (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) returned to ##slackware. [16:21] frimer (i=frimer@szluug.org) returned to ##slackware. [16:21] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) returned to ##slackware. [16:21] eviljames: indeed, my way of thinking [16:21] frimer_ (i=frimer@szluug.org) joined ##slackware. [16:21] Blikjeha1 (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) joined ##slackware. [16:22] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@193.239.140.184) left irc: SendQ exceeded [16:22] arcaos (n=arcaos@190.177.56.164) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:22] eviljames: a bit like my wifi card: "pooof, no more device \o/" [16:22] frimer (i=frimer@szluug.org) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:22] songohan: where are you ? (I'm close to Brotteaux actually) [16:23] eviljames: basically psmouse, or it's subsystem has a bug. It sometimes misdetects my touchpad as a standard mouse, and there's nothing I can do about it apart from rebooting [16:23] i live in anse [16:23] Blikjeham (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) left irc: Connection reset by peer [16:23] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:23] i live in angst [16:23] http://svn.slackware-fr.org/revision.php?repname=contribs&path=%2F&rev=2275 how to navigate through this site ? are .inc .desc necessery ? [16:24] songohan: I'm like 800m away ;-) [16:24] mancha: grrrrrrrrrrr (sorry :D ) [16:24] arcaos (n=arcaos@190.177.191.248) joined ##slackware. [16:25] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [16:25] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [16:25] I mean necessery to run the slackbuild ? I can access this repo only through php right ? [16:26] pprkut: That would drive me crazy.. was it recently reintroduced? I haven't ever experienced it on my laptop [16:26] eviljames: and I'm sure it's also *your* fault! :P [16:27] eviljames: seems to be specific to my touchpad model. Was there since I have that notebook, so for 8 months or so [16:29] pprkut: no, don't blame your touchpad, blame eviljames ! [16:30] Action: paul424 roars with anger [16:31] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:31] http://youknowwhatwe.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/tony-the-tiger-frosties.jpg [16:31] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [16:32] Camarade_Tux: .. and then? :P [16:33] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:33] oh nothing, just that paul424 roared xD [16:33] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:34] pprkut: have you specified the protocol you want directly in /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse.conf? [16:34] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.20.74) left irc: "Leaving." [16:35] good night everybody [16:35] nn [16:35] i go to bed [16:35] you may [16:35] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:35] ftr http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13093 [16:35] night songohan [16:36] macavity: yes [16:36] The-Croupier (n=agapi@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [16:36] songohan (n=songohan@ALyon-553-1-1-65.w92-145.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [16:36] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:36] macavity: that's not the issue. I see things like "Unable to query synaptics hardware." [16:36] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:36] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [16:38] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc6521205.cns.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:39] eek [16:39] could it be a loose cable or something simple? [16:40] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:40] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [16:40] dive (n=diverse@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:40] thrice`: a boot option fixes it. So...unlikely [16:41] yup [16:41] oh, sorry, I thought you had that with the boot option :> [16:42] nope. But apparently it's hard to get proper bug report data with everything working. Which is why I'm not using it atm ;) [16:43] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [16:45] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:46] http://svn.slackware-fr.org/ ftw are all those national domains for slackware like fr, it , de ? [16:46] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:47] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [16:47] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [16:48] paul424: No. Those sites are just registered by others. Quite often without patricks approval. [16:49] Celio-ZzzZ (n=quassel@189.27.105.151.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:50] paul424: if it is not on in slackware, slackbuilds.org, alienBOB or rworkman's reps, then you are probably better of just building the package yourself [16:50] paul424: it's not like it is rocket science to create packages by hand [16:51] you don't need patrick's approval to register a domain. [16:52] mancha: under the DMCA he can actually demand that they take down anything that contains the full word "slackware" in the hostname if he doesnt like it [16:52] It's not DMCA, it's that Slackware is a tregistered trademark. [16:52] can you point me to legal precedent for that? [16:53] mancha: hopefully everybody doesn't live in the US :) [16:53] how does digital millenium affect trademark law though? [16:53] mancha: it is overly broad in its statements [16:53] mac, ok, so that's your interpretation. can youpoint me to a case where the courts have shared your view? [16:54] the matter still have to be settled in court.. but if he sends them a DMCA takedown notice and they first dont comply, and then loose in court, then they are utterly fucked [16:54] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:54] mancha: perhaps you don't need permission, But imnsho trying to hitch a ride on Slackware good work but registering a domain containing slackware just to pretend to have some official sanction is at least morallly dubious. [16:54] mancha: oh, that wasnt my interpretation.. i shall see if i can find the link again from the SFLC analysis of the matter [16:55] BP{k}: and according to international trademark law prohibited [16:55] Action: Camarade_Tux registers slackware.cn -_- [16:55] macavity: quite likely, but after all, ianal. [16:55] which clock util is synchronised with some atom clock online ? [16:56] paul424: ntpd [16:56] BPk i agree its underhanded but i've seen so much bad shit happen that in my ranking it doesn't go that high [16:56] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [16:57] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578BC4.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:57] hiya [16:57] are these sites looking to be confused with "official" sites or are they just trying to make themselves look like a regional user group, like slackware-france users, etc. [16:58] mancha: http://www.rentacoder.com/RentACoder/misc/DMCA/default.asp#How to file a copyright complaint [16:58] apparently the DMCA covers copyright, trademark and patents [16:59] mac, copyright and trademark are different. and sure, people have opinions but unless there is caselaw behind it it's just a bunch of hot air [16:59] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [16:59] Nick change: nixchix0r -> nix_chix0r [16:59] i want a legally-binding, precedent-setting case! :) [16:59] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-249.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:00] Nick change: frimer_ -> frimer [17:00] macavity: ntpd seems to need special config , any other program worth attention ? [17:00] copyright, trademarks and patents are all in DESPERATE need of a comprehensive overhaul. [17:00] yes, all that law sucks shit [17:00] mancha: go fucking google it dingdong [17:00] kill all the lawyers! [17:00] copyright law is the worst of them [17:01] No! Don't! Lawyers can be very useful when you're being sued for sexual harassment over irc [17:01] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [17:01] Action: deco touch eviljames [17:01] eviljames: this is something you have either personal experience with? or this happends a lot to you? [17:01] mac you made the claim, you need to do do the googling to back yer shit up! :P [17:01] touches* [17:01] grrrrrrr [17:02] BP{k}: Obviously you don't pay much attention to the things I say on irc :P [17:02] paul424: i belive the KDE clock can be told to sync via ntp [17:02] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.189.31) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [17:02] evil, we all print the logs of your comments and frame 'em;2C! [17:02] eviljames: or perhaps those things aren't shocking in my book. ;) [17:02] BP{k}: Ah, methinks you need to stop watching donkey porn then. [17:03] DAMMIT, here comes another lawsuit :( [17:03] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [17:04] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:04] icaro (n=icaro@unaffiliated/icaro) joined ##slackware. [17:05] The-Croupier (n=agapi@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:05] mancha: http://www.chillingeffects.org/trademark/faq#QID252 [17:06] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [17:06] #xcuckoo No protocol specified xcuckoo: Couldn't open display :0.0. What protocol do I miss ? [17:06] fix the display wrn first [17:06] warn [17:06] 22:50 ~ % xcuckoo [17:06] zsh: segmentation fault xcuckoo [17:06] isn't it one of those unmaintained apps? [17:07] who want to eat ? :p [17:07] mancha: in short, if Patrick can make the argument that slackware-$CONTRYCODE.[org/net/com] creates consumer confusion, then they will probably lose.. now if you want a court ruling on it, just check yro.slashdot.com every so often.. they post them regularly [17:07] i got segfalute in x11 too [17:08] mancha: try setting up "coca-cola-mancha.org" and see what happens... [17:09] mac, tanks for that link it is interesting. what i get from it are two important things. slackware-fr would have to be selling something that customers can reasonably confuse with what slackware.com sells and #2 slackware-fr must be infringing in the country where slackware.com was awarded trademark [17:09] ok my xcucko is dying on locale setup. [17:10] which were en-us.utf8 and then i tried C; failed on both [17:10] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [17:10] aiiiiiii (n=Ig0r@Tribalero.Atlantica.US) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:10] aiiiiiii (n=Ig0r@Tribalero.Atlantica.US) joined ##slackware. [17:11] mancha: see the other points in the toc.. it comes right up to that since this is on the internet it "invades the US terretory" [17:11] if slackware-fr is merely a website where frenchy slackware enthusiasts post gpl'd scripts then there's no selling happening. if they start making slackware t-shirts or dvd sets then i think patrick might have more legal reason to pursue [17:11] where has that started? [17:12] oh, slackware-fr.org's scripts are quite different from "other" slackbuilds (slackware's, sbo's) [17:12] mac, from the site, they seem to agree "If no income is solicited or earned by using someone else's mark, this use is not normally infringement. " [17:12] what' this slack site prob? [17:13] Sadly, Pat would likely not have any claim to the Slackware logo/trademark in France.. unless there is some cross-border infringement agreement between USA and FR [17:13] mancha: but then again: "The law also protects famous marks against dilution of value and tarnishment of the reputation of the goods or services on which it appears or the source of those products, regardless of any confusion." [17:13] which i think would be a lot harder to convince a court of [17:13] anybody's have a tuto about how can i start apache php and mysql synchronizing it? [17:13] eviljames in that case, pat needs to read a certain treaty/agreement us-fr regarding trademarks [17:13] mancha: so if slackware-fr causes confusion that leaves users to hose their boxen, then Slackware Linux (TM) looses value [17:13] i dont know which but google would [17:13] tripFantastic: probably WIPO [17:13] or his local congress critter [17:14] nods [17:14] yea that sounds right [17:14] mac, yes that could be argued. their side would argue that by contributing to the body of avaialable userland apps for slackware, they actually increased slackware (TM)'s value :) [17:15] wait; if damage is caused then there's got to be remedy/recourse!!! [17:15] mancha: i just cant find it again, but i read an article on how the DMCA expands by uncarefull wording on the existing laws, which pretty much makes it a blanket statement for "IP" holders to do as they see fit [17:15] in any event, i don't see a court taking kindly to that dilution of value argument (but i am not expert) [17:15] even IF sl-fr increased sl's value [17:15] i think the relevent concept/maxim would be `unclean hands' [17:15] Presenting a "dilution of value" argument over free software is problematic in and of itself. [17:15] that would support pat's claim [17:15] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:16] mancha: but still.. Patrick doesn't bother :P [17:16] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: "End Of Line..." [17:16] then you get into establishing slackware's value. since it is a packaging of other people's code the value is intrinsic in the way it is packaged, etc [17:16] i don't see it as a clean court case, to be honest. [17:17] mancha: but i wouldn't be very supprized that if you made a site called "redhat-packages.com" with 3rd party packages, you would be in trouble pretty quick.. no matter how carefull you were to point out in the terms and agreement that this is in fact NOT RedHat approved stuff [17:17] the court would consider pat's current accounting to establish a potential baseline [17:17] the corporation's accounting [17:17] not pat's, he being at least an officer of the corp [17:17] or hopefully [17:17] mancha: ianal, i just originally posted what i remember a real lawyer saying [17:18] I have a moustache [17:18] trim it [17:18] aka flavor saver [17:18] and vamire teeth [17:18] Camarade_Tux: Movember! [17:18] mancha: and one of "the good guys" at that.. i belive it was in context with SFLC [17:18] eviljames: Rain! [17:18] mac, i know, i am not expert on this, i just am not a big fan of legal squabbling s a rule and i also find the debate of intellectual property rights interesting. sorry if i bogged you down in a discussion you preferred not having :/ [17:19] mancha: if you dont like how things are turning, i reccomend that you start educating yourself on the matter.. fsf.org is a good place to start ;-) [17:19] eff.org too [17:19] ++macavity; [17:20] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102141836]" [17:20] Also, read everything that RMS has ever written. [17:20] eviljames: count me up before using me? :P [17:20] oh i don't mind how things are turning at all, i was just getting the sense that you preferred not having the discussion [17:20] mancha what will you be interested in studying? [17:20] I don't give a crap what anyone says about him or his hygene; Stallman is a fucking genius. [17:20] heh [17:20] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:20] mancha: i generally dont bother having to google to back myself up.. i prefere that people google to knock me down :P [17:20] as a rule, all property rights are intellectual. [17:21] mancha: i am not the type who makes doubious statements without ending the sentence with "but i may be talking out my ass" or similar :P [17:21] in america, land isnt sold. [17:21] mancha: Just for my own curiosity, do you think it is right to patent a process? [17:21] lol macavity [17:21] eviljames++ [17:21] no appropriate acronym? [17:21] so in a court, pat would have to convince the judge that slackware-fr diluted slackware's value (since there is no sale issue going on). so first thing would be to establish the right metric for determining slackware's value. any suggestions? then we would have to proceed to show, convincingly so, that slackware-fr's actions directly and negatively affected said "value" as defined by previous metric [17:21] ideas on that? [17:21] TOMA? [17:21] lol [17:22] macavity: So, yes, you should be able to patent a process? [17:22] eviljames: no fucking way [17:22] macavity: oh *phew* [17:22] macavity: I was going to bring up the insane example of Amazon's 1-click order patent. [17:22] eviljames: i belive that all research should be done like in the old days: by the universities [17:22] mancha if pat's corp sales can show a dilution then potential game over for sl-fr [17:22] Emeau (n=emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-80-97.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:22] or a reduction in unit sales [17:22] evil, there is a strong case made to made in favor (justifying and supporting big R&D etc). also patents expire a lot faster than copyrights [17:23] eviljames: honnestly, i dont even belive in copyright either.. i belive that the foundations of law should grant rights and responsibilities to the extend that it would make everything copyleft [17:23] macavity: As an artist, I disagree. [17:23] Dr_Flower (n=chatzill@212.233.209.134) joined ##slackware. [17:23] eviljames: for works purely of artistic or entertainment value a short period of time for income should be allowed [17:23] copyright is a good thing.. in moderation [17:23] one could argue that had Xerox not been able to patent the photocopier it woulnd't have dumped millions upon millions of $$ to create that technology to start. we'd all have been worse off,, etc. [17:23] eviljames: you an artist? let me laugh :D [17:24] Action: Camarade_Tux hides :P [17:24] à demain [17:24] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-77-181.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware ("Quitte"). [17:24] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:24] Camarade_Tux: I practice the ancient art of putting semen on your face. [17:24] macavity Law grants nothing; legislatures grant privilege; constitutions guarantee birth-rights. [17:24] macavity law provides for rebuttal and remedy [17:24] eviljames: but that should be a special exempt from the normal responsibiliteis.. not a right granted (to make sure noone gets funny ideas) [17:24] tripFantastic, or so you like to think [17:24] Action: chopp points at Camarade_Tux's face and laughs. :P [17:24] eviljames: oh, nice, when are you doing a live demo for me? :) [17:24] not see if someone answered my question [17:25] that's called limited liabilty; under which a whole plethora of evil has been done [17:25] chopp: ^^ [17:25] this mass accelerator I've got here is pretty convincing otherwise [17:25] anybody have any tutorial about php+mysql+apache on slack 13? [17:25] Camarade_Tux: :) [17:25] despiron: have you even googled it? [17:25] despiron many non-slackware specfici tutorials out there that would apply [17:26] tripFantastic: english is not my native language, and US constitution/law is not where i am the most comfortable.. so appologies for any broad/inacurate statements, including but not limited to, confusion of institutions, rightsholders and responsibility placers :P [17:26] i follow the INSTALL default, where we can find in source package [17:26] macavity: where are you from ? [17:26] macavity: A fair balance, it seems, is that copyright protects an artist or content creator from corporate or for-profit infringement. [17:26] Denmark [17:26] and it isnt right [17:26] macavity: ah, ok [17:27] despiron: Are you installing mysql/php/apache from source?? [17:27] macavity: ie: I write a song, I can't sue individuals for downloading my music, but I can sue Coca-Cola if they use it in an advertisement. [17:27] macavity ah and NP. generally tho what i've written would apply in any jurisdiction/nation where `negotiable instruments' and treaties and international agreements exist and have been accepted. [17:27] BP{k}: yes compiling [17:27] despiron: why? [17:27] eviljames: seems fair.. though i still maintain that the timeline for the effect should be severly reduced [17:27] macavity: Should Mick Jagger no longer be allowed to distribute Rolling Stones' music as he sees fit? [17:27] eviljames: id say 5 years for songs and books [17:28] eviljames: cc-by-nc? [17:28] BP{k}: coz performance of a compiled application in my cpu is better [17:28] eviljames: oh yes.. and so should everyone else :P [17:28] IP is still a relatively new field as compared to criminal law, and such. so these ambiguities, imprecisions, shortcomings can be expected. plus a lot of the legislation (cf DCMA) is drawn up by folks who aren't the most technologically fluent to start with [17:28] despiron: not this one, it won't change anything [17:28] I *really* wish it wasn't called IP [17:28] my intent in this thread has been to fill in the blanks and possible mis-comprehnsions [17:28] macavity: While I agree in principle to the permissive stance you take, perhaps one of the ways the Rolling Stones do not wish for their music to be heard is in the new Twilight movie. [17:28] eviljames: Satishfaction has become part of our lives now.. it is, imho, out of his controll.. i woke up the other day and started humming it.. it has special meaning to special situations for me [17:28] it puts a lot of the wrong impressions in people's heads [17:28] I know I'd sooner shoot myself than contribute to that franchise. [17:29] so just call it property-rights [17:29] Camarade_Tux: hmm, but if i install from binaries it auto-configure? [17:29] eviljames: hence, i think that by now, if coca-cola wants to communicate that "feel" in an add, they should be free to do so [17:29] auto-configure? [17:29] tripFantastic, the problem word is "property" [17:29] why? ( I think it exactly fits because someone is claiming that something is their's exclusively) [17:30] despiron: if you install from binary it installs some default configurations, you need to tune that. But compiling from source will exactly do the same. You're not going to gain anything. But I agree with Camarade_Tux what do you mean by "Auto-configure"? [17:30] macavity: I have to disagree. [17:30] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [17:30] tripFantastic: i think it is severly artificial.. our very basic human nature seems to provide plenty of counter proof that "IP" has any real meaning [17:30] sup all [17:30] tripFantastic, it's the same as the whole "copyright infringement" vs. "theft" problem [17:31] The_Seeker (n=seeker@5ac89913.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:31] monkey see, monkey do :P [17:31] macavity: In this hypothetical situation, perhaps the Rolling Stones find Coca-Cola's use of slave labour in third world countries to be abhorrent and wish to never have their music associated, even positively, to that brand. [17:31] indeed [17:31] macavity it's not artificial, its use since `time immemorial' (google that) [17:31] I really rather people not confuse copyright, patents, and trademark by lumping them all together as IP [17:31] BP{k}: Camarade_Tux I wonder if it automatically synchronizes php+mysql+apache installing from binary [17:31] macavity: Under your permissive regime, they would just hav eto suck it up. [17:31] macavity it's exactly the right word to use. [17:31] did i just jump into a phlosopical debate? [17:31] tuxdev: That is exactly the intent of the re-wording TO ip. To conflate the issue so that "normals" like you and I cannot properly debate it anymore. [17:31] despiron: what do you mean "automatically synchronise"? [17:32] eviljames: i could care less.. they threw it "out there", and now it is here.. it is no more theirs then the breath i exhale is mine [17:32] BP{k}: configurations [17:32] tuxdev theft is the unauthorised use of some property (or right) without permission or license. I took your car from your drive-way and didnt tel you. [17:32] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:32] tripFantastic: indeed, there has to be a loss for there to be a theft. Copying does not create a loss, the original is intact. [17:33] despiron: no. you need to manually configure mysql, you need to edit the httpd.conf to turn on php support. [17:33] complication of subjects is ONLY a legal tactic meant to thin out the herd of those who would get involved in those kinds of judicial matters. [17:33] eviljames: ok then.. so Rolling Stones doesnt actually lose anything even if coca cola uses it while enslaving people? [17:33] Action: macavity snickers [17:33] macavity: They do lose something, if not something tangible. [17:33] ok, that was a cheep trick :P [17:34] eviljames but in pat's, there is potential for dilution. that would be unauthorised taking of a name (a particular property right) for another's use withot compensation to pat. [17:34] BP{k}: oh ok, thanks BP [17:34] macavity: Further, I wasn't saying that there was a theft happening, but an infringement upon the rights of the creator. [17:34] macavity: but it was a great shot [17:34] BP{k}: exactly what i wont to know [17:34] ej, that is theft. [17:34] eviljames: i think "rights" is a pretty strong word here... i think "copy monopoly" is more precise [17:35] despiron: See, the philosophy behind it,is that not everyone want to run a webserver with php/mysql. but it's easy enough to set up if you want it. [17:35] that's just copyright and that's what it means [17:35] you have every right in this world (imho).. as long as that right does not take away any of my rights [17:35] what's the app in kde called again to open pdf files? [17:35] the xclusive use of something to its author [17:35] then it is not a right.. then it is a mechanism of oppression [17:35] Buggaboo: okular / kpdf [17:35] macavity: Kant's universality principle [17:35] ;-) [17:35] Action: eviljames googles to see if that was actually Kant [17:36] *phew* [17:36] :P [17:36] Kant has a lot of principles named after himself [17:36] i do agree that artists need to have food too [17:36] indeed [17:36] but the lawyers don't [17:36] Nor do the distribution companies. [17:37] but i dont agree that this mechanism nessecarily have to be tied to their works, the quality of them, the amount of them, and the "rights" to them [17:37] macavity let me restate your last line; my rights begin at birth and end where your rights begin. i can do anything I want ON or TO my property even to destroying it as long as I dont infringe on your right[s]. [17:37] there's plenty of blood around for them [17:37] macavity: In reality, this type of permissive copyright is in place for both our countries. Canada has laws protecting individual consumers from RIAA-like lawsuits. [17:37] lawyers are vampires, after all [17:37] snakes [17:37] Dose Slackware 13 have Samba working out of the box? [17:37] not vampires [17:37] You guys all say that until you need one. [17:38] take Victor, for example [17:38] beatzz: If by "out-of-thebox" you mean "after you configure it" then yes. [17:38] lawers and PR people will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes :P [17:38] beatzz: easiest route: use SWAT to create your configuration. [17:38] eviljames that's why i study law so that I dont need to contract with a snake [17:38] macavity lol [17:38] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.22.87) joined ##slackware. [17:39] eviljames: i still think that 25 or more years of copyright is completely out or proportions with anything [17:39] 5 years -> public domain [17:39] To be honest, I think 25 years is a totally reasonable amount. After which, public domain. [17:39] if you dont like it, do a remix and call it an updated version :P [17:39] 70 is unarguablly *way* too much? [17:40] disney wanted that iinm [17:40] HOWEVER, I don't think the rights should be transferrable. for example, an artist cannot sell the rights to a song to a distribution company. They could lease it for a fixed period of time, perhaps. [17:40] the mouse was expiring [17:40] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [17:40] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578BC4.cable.casema.nl) left irc: "A spank a day keeps the shrink away" [17:40] eviljames, that fixed period is 25 years [17:40] tripFantastic that's a very libertarian perspective, which i find to be valuable but also deficient [17:40] eviljames: nontransferrable and 10 years? [17:40] mancha what and why? [17:40] or whatever the number is [17:40] eviljames: after 10 years, dont you think it has been imprinted enough into peoples brains that you can actually say that you "own" it? [17:41] memeification happens so fast nowadays [17:41] the issue is whether we are ultimately free to do as we choose so long as we don't affect anyone else. but since we're not insulated atomic creatures living in hermetically sealed bubbles, doing things which have zero impact on others is very hard to accomplish [17:41] eviljames: one thing is for sure.. it doesn't *feel* like the Rolling Stones *own* satisfaction when i cant get it out of my head and walk about wisteling it all day :P [17:41] macavity: hahah, fortunately, how people *feel* about a piece of art is irrelevant :P [17:42] gnubien (n=e@209.244.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:42] at least, to the question at hand. [17:42] eviljames: according to current law, yes [17:42] eviljames, if enough people feel the same way, it becomes very relevant [17:42] mancha ok; well the problem is that govt and law and its snakes have insinuated themselves into all our lives globally to the extent that no one can act with full private liberty. [17:42] eviljames: but i ask: is that a just law then? to sacrifice the many for the few? [17:42] mancha but all is not lost. [17:42] unfortunately big corps get in the way [17:42] tuxdev++ [17:42] corps are part and parcel govts [17:42] Agreed! [17:42] i belive that corporations should be banned [17:43] No way! [17:43] all corps, not just the big ones; govt is the biggest. [17:43] no, the legal term "corporation" [17:43] However, if we are to grant corporate personhood, a certain level of responsibility should be brought along with it. [17:43] no, the legal term is "person" [17:43] I don't think small startups are bad [17:43] but they are technically corps [17:43] the relative economic hegemony and certainly the biggest factor explaining america's ascendency was the "corporation" [17:43] tuxdev: you know that Microsoft and Google were both run out of garages before they were megacorps, right? [17:43] you pretty much create a company that legaly is a person.. but it cant go to jail or get a trip to the electric chair [17:43] Youtube, also! [17:44] macavity: indeed, that's the problem with corporate personhood [17:44] in law, a person is (corporation, trust, partnersip, and individuals); individuals are agents and representatives. [17:44] and everytime the people who made the decision gets to walk.. maybe with a fine [17:44] eviljames, yeah. sometime between then and now some spinning off would have been pretty nice [17:44] tuxdev: certainly nicer than "embrace, extend, extinguish." [17:44] btw, anyone has a good *silent* air-cooling for a phenomII X4 955 (socket AM2/AM2+/AM3)? [17:44] well, rather anyone knows one? [17:44] nop [17:45] macavity, some can still get axed.. theoretically [17:45] mancha: watch Zeitgeist Addendum if you havent :P [17:45] NO, DON'T. [17:45] tuxdev: yes.. if they dont make a spaghetti coverup about who took the pen to the paper [17:45] in US.const, 14th amendment, that is the beginning of corporate personage. [17:45] Zeitgeist is a bunch of bullshit that takes some reasonable facts and turns it into something ridiculous. [17:46] eviljames: everyone who opens their mouth falls in that category [17:46] eviljames: that is why you should always be sceptical of what you watch :P [17:46] :o [17:46] beatzz: yes, you too ;-) [17:46] ;) [17:47] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [17:47] has anti-trust laws been really applied in any significant way since their introduction? [17:47] ma bell? [17:47] Yeah, Microsoft was brought down on antitrust. [17:47] anti-trust [17:47] to us.steel, oil. phone [17:47] isent that a movie [17:47] tuxdev: the EU is excercicing them [17:47] They paid their fines in Microsoft software coupons, though... so I guess not :P [17:47] MS got a slap on the wrist [17:47] so has Intel [17:47] ms beat the rap [17:47] beatzz: yes.. its a movie *too* P [17:47] :P [17:47] tuxdev to us.steel, oil. phone [17:48] tuxdev review 1890s american history [17:48] corporate history [17:48] on en.wiki [17:48] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_System [17:48] why anti-trust [17:48] lol.. all this started because paul424 was using slackware-fr :P [17:48] tripFantastic, us steel doesn't count [17:48] why not trust and <3 your brother [17:48] ? [17:48] sure they do [17:49] beatzz: because some brothers don't mind donkey punching each other. [17:49] pres ted roosevelt was "trust buster" [17:49] beatzz: if your brother is a skitzo who wants to rape you annaly you probably dont want to :P [17:49] :x [17:49] tripFantastic, the point is what has happened since him [17:49] review history [17:49] ask wiki [17:49] hey i just got outa jail befor i started hangin here [17:50] people who like anal rapeing [17:50] beatzz: that is why the Free Software movement was stated in the first place.. some "brothers" started screwing people in the rear [17:50] blue boxing? [17:50] strange [17:50] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:50] pmg it's Mitnick [17:50] zomg [17:50] paul424 created a monster [17:50] Mitnick wouldn't have asked the questions beatzz has been asking.. trust me :P [17:51] lol [17:51] maybe [17:51] yes.. we demand that pepole dont use non slackware sites! [17:51] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.153) joined ##slackware. [17:51] mitnick... [17:51] disturbs us it does! [17:51] i would never use a handle that lame [17:51] heh [17:51] beatzz: uhm.. you might want to look up that name :P [17:51] yeah [17:52] beatzz: Kevin Mitnick [17:52] blacksheep > * [17:52] Kevin Mitnick; social enginner extraorindaire [17:52] i pwnta Kevin Mitnick. [17:52] pwntz* [17:52] lol [17:52] right [17:52] lol [17:52] was he a slacker? [17:52] no [17:52] Action: macavity bows to the great Master Beatzz [17:52] pre-linux troubler [17:52] no i know who that is [17:53] slackmagic (i=1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:53] i've heard on the radio [17:53] he wrote a book in jail [17:53] yea [17:53] about social engenering [17:53] exactly [17:53] i was reading it up in colville for a while [17:53] in some circles, he'd be called a witch/manipulator [17:53] whatever [17:53] he usd NLP [17:53] go google that. [17:53] beatzz is that kid the babysitter shook beyond belief. [17:53] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.25.102) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:53] neural linguistics programming [17:53] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:53] Neuro Lingvistic Programming [17:53] yea dog [17:53] phsycho-terrorism [17:53] psycho-terrorism [17:53] i was learnin that shit for a while [17:53] tripFantastic: negaroty [17:53] psycho-linguistics [17:54] i got a pdf library downloaded on it [17:54] tripFantastic: there is no "terror" in it [17:54] it's all fear based [17:54] tripFantastic, ma bell I grant. US steel got competed out [17:54] wronge.. [17:54] sure there is, of one degree or another. fear [17:54] tuxdev ok [17:54] frimer: no.. trust based [17:54] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Success [17:54] tuxdev what about the secen sisters of oil? [17:54] tripFantastic: ^^ [17:54] seven [17:54] i got tab pwned :P [17:54] lol [17:54] macavity, go check out "Amazing Deren Brown" on youtube [17:54] pwntage [17:55] the nick is trip the light fantastic [17:55] i dont do flash [17:55] ... [17:55] tripFantastic, just different names nowadays, nothing different [17:55] flash is tight dude.. [17:55] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:55] flash is proprietary software.. i dont do it. period [17:56] do you use opera? [17:56] and, btw, it is known insecure, but Adobe isnt going to fix it.. there is a public CVE on three known attacks [17:56] nope [17:56] k [17:56] ok, well anywaz [17:56] hmm [17:56] go rent one of his DVD's at blockbuster [17:56] the only peice of proprietary software i have left is the .ucode for my ipw3945 wifi card :-/ [17:56] k [17:56] the phone companies aren't fairing well in the "independence" department either, really [17:57] beatzz: hit me with a title.. i have a torrent client ;-) [17:57] did you nunke xv? [17:57] tuxdev the sisters were separated by antitrust dept [17:57] nuke* [17:57] Amazing Deren Brown ??? [17:57] mancha: yes [17:57] good man, charlie brown [17:57] actualy, macavity get the NLP library [17:57] macavity: ipw3945 or iwl3945? [17:57] beatzz: honnestly, i think that NLP sucks [17:57] why? its communication [17:57] neonflux: those would be the product name and the driver name :P [17:58] you use it every day [17:58] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-lycjxkpstjkshuzi) left irc: "Page closed" [17:58] YOU, as in macavity [17:58] it's all brain-washing; mental programming; propaganda. [17:58] use NLP, every day, ur useing it now [17:58] not nessisarly [17:58] macavity: that's an old driver then [17:58] only when abused [17:58] beatzz: i know.. i have actually read a few NLP books.. it is just not the method of describing the process i prefere [17:58] tripFantastic, standard oil was the whole point of the antitrust stuff, if that's what you mean [17:58] ak learning, talking, writing. it's all programming. [17:58] tuxdev yes [17:58] maik__ (n=maik@bas1-montreal19-1088783583.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:58] heres a simple example of NLP used in a good situation [17:58] beatzz: NLP is by no means the first attempt at describing that.. nor will it be the last [17:58] your going to love this [17:59] I put that in the "doesn't count" category [17:59] neonflux: ipw == Intel Pro Wireless [17:59] tuxdev why? [17:59] Rachael (n=nnnnnnnr@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) got netsplit. [17:59] hold o for splits [17:59] neonflux: uhm, as far as .31 i still neede /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode [17:59] on [17:59] "A female officer is dispactched to a domestic vilence call, when she arrives on the scence, there are loud threatning shots from a male voice comeing from within, also, screaming of a womans" [18:00] because the point is how effective those laws *really* are when not talking about the specific companies they were made for [18:00] "the office aproaches the house, and a TV flys out the window, and crashes on the sidewalk right in front of her" [18:00] tux if a law is unused then it is effectively null and void; IMO. [18:00] beatzz: please.. spare us for an NLP session.. it is so dead boring [18:00] exactly [18:00] "She hesitantly approaches the door, and knocks, the mans angry voice from within shouts, WHO THE HELL IS THAT?!?" [18:00] macavity: yes, I know. But the driver support for ipw3945 stopped in July of 2007. now replaced with iwl3945 [18:00] tuxdev the law was used, invoked. it is effective. [18:01] neonflux: arg.. ipw3945 is *the card* [18:01] "she replys, TV repair man!, the angry voice turns to laughter, and the situation was neutrlized" [18:01] not nearly often enough [18:01] and not effectively enough [18:01] neonflux: Intel Pro Wireless 3954 [18:01] tuxdev perhaps but that is not a valid criticism [18:01] 3945* [18:01] Action: tuxdev points to recent intel slap on wrist [18:01] she later stated that those 3 words were more effective in that situation then MONTH of combat training. [18:01] NLP pwntage. [18:01] MONTHS* [18:01] slackmagic (i=1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [18:02] beatzz i could chalk that up to responding by inspiration (God inspired) [18:02] call it what u want, she chose the correct words at the correct time, to achive a desired effect. [18:02] i could chalk it up to a sever case of /ignore [18:02] anywaz, i'll let off the NLP, sory, i just realy enjoy it. [18:02] yea and at first blush, i'd say she was inspired. [18:02] tripFantastic, maybe the existence is serving as a deterent, so I don't that much activity since the "big purge" [18:03] which is perfectly okay, I guess [18:03] tuxdev [missing word @ dont that] [18:03] Rachael (n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:03] see [18:03] ok [18:03] macavity, "The Amazing Derren Brown" * [18:03] im shure he has some torrents out [18:04] very interesting stuff. [18:04] beatzz: if i download it and it happens to be on NLP i will mince you slowly :P [18:04] buys a 1300 dollar ring with paper...white plain, paper.. [18:04] gos to a dog circut race [18:04] gets the dealer to pay out on a losin ticket, lots of cool shit [18:04] ah, that guy [18:04] gets a dude to GIVE him his wallet, watch, phone and keys [18:05] twice [18:05] ive seen him on TV [18:05] who? [18:05] Yeah, and it's TOTALLY impossible to stage any of that. [18:05] eviljames: i've seen good con artists in real life [18:05] eviljames: and ive done a few good ones myself [18:05] yea, i dont like people who think they use demons. [18:06] Sure, I'm not saying cons don't exist. [18:06] they don't.. they just know how to induce both trust and confusion at the same time [18:06] and then there are those who think NLP and hyptontism is a form of spiritualizm involving the posesion of demons [18:06] :p [18:06] if you see fire without an accellerant then that's evidence of demons active with the "artist" [18:06] what's his name, chris angel? the "street performer"? [18:07] oh yes.. good entertainment too [18:07] Criss Angel is most certainly faked. [18:07] nbuonanno (i=nbuonann@you.dontlike.us) joined ##slackware. [18:07] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:07] only eviljames can pull stuff like that irl [18:07] Great fakes, very entertaining [18:07] sure.. but it's good entertainment [18:07] well, i sw chris on tape on a nyc street; he was holding a book; opened it. the pages burst into flames. [18:07] I need a php script on the httpd server to run a system call that needs root permissions [18:07] ill take the blue pill for half an hour if i think its fun :P [18:07] any ddclient users in here? [18:07] macavity: Agreed. He uses some NLP in his act too [18:07] what is the accepted way to do this? [18:07] playing with demons is hardly safe [18:08] shit, youtube has commercials now... [18:08] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackware-hrvatska.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:08] tripFantastic: a BBQ lighter, built into some pages of the book, it triggers when the book is opened. [18:08] FAIL :P [18:08] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackware-hrvatska.org) joined ##slackware. [18:08] tripFantastic: build time: 2 afternoons. [18:08] perhaps [18:08] Kool & the Gang - Get down on it [18:08] ^ 1337 [18:09] >_< [18:09] no.. -1337 [18:09] if not further down ;-) [18:09] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-165-129.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:09] oh and the underlying theme of "vampires" is sex. [18:09] tell me this song dosent make you wana move.. [18:09] humans are pretty suceptible to magic.. cause fundamentally they *want* to be surprised [18:09] and bust a groove [18:09] move [18:09] bust a move [18:09] beatzz: it does make me want to move [18:09] some chemicals ignite when exposed to air, like sodium ignites when exposed to water [18:09] Pig_Pen yep [18:09] beatzz: ... all the way to the stero to turn it down ;-= [18:10] owch! [18:10] s/=/)/ [18:10] Pig_Pen: This is AKA demons. [18:10] ok.. that didnt come out very readable :P [18:10] Pig_Pen: Didn't you know that chemistry = demons? [18:10] yea, i know why too [18:10] the so-called supernaturalists can never perform when under a controlled environment [18:10] cause ur fingers cant stop moving to the beat [18:10] beatzz: tastes differ.. i prefere hard rock and classical (depending on mood) [18:10] tuxdev thank god for that. [18:10] indeed [18:10] i am an atheist i dont believe in the supernatural [18:11] swear? [18:11] lol [18:11] Pig_Pen, are you a member of the Chruch of Slack? [18:11] that reminds me of a dialog line form MASH [18:11] form/form [18:11] that would be the Curch of Subgenius [18:11] from [18:11] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-4-88.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:11] if i could spell [18:11] nope, not a member of anything other than the human race [18:11] yea macavity -_- that one. [18:11] must be of the lineage of Cain [18:11] Pig_Pen: i hope you are a member of a gender too... [18:12] yeah [18:12] :O ooohhh [18:12] Pig_Pen, u want some ice? [18:12] that liner died out at the flood [18:12] cause that had to buuurrrrnn [18:12] My personal take is that the existence of the supernatural doesn't really change things at all [18:12] Pig_Pen: not that i would mind it if you were agenderal.. just a little odd :P [18:12] tuxdev but i'm sure that a cursory examination of what you know would be sufficient to prove his existence :) [18:12] lol [18:12] sometimes it would be more convienent if my hormones did not get in the way ;p [18:13] tuxdev iow, you hear about God all the time [18:13] macavitys law: "if doesnt matter jack shit if God exists or not.. as long as it helps me beliving in him" [18:13] k [18:13] and yes.. i said that out loud at an AA meating.. and boy did a lot of coffee get spluttered on the table : [18:13] eh ? o_O [18:13] lol [18:13] good spit-takes? [18:14] ok i get it... if means it [18:14] alright, French midterm beckons me. [18:14] y4ep [18:14] l8rdudes [18:14] gn [18:14] beatzz: right.. typo [18:14] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430523.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:14] au reviour [18:14] tripFantastic, iow I just don't care about what I hear about "God" [18:15] beatzz: sorry.. i dont speak guatamalian [18:15] "not caring" is not requisite to hearing :) [18:15] or what that was :P [18:15] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: "221 GoodBye - WeeChat 0.3.1-dev" [18:15] macavity guatamamalian [18:15] lol [18:15] CallMe_JC (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-4-88.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:15] est-que ca vous voudrea monger? [18:15] french hommie [18:15] no, i dont speak hungarian either [18:15] lol [18:15] ok [18:15] tripFantastic, that is true. [18:16] guata-mamalian [18:16] tuxdev k [18:16] i only speak Danish, English, Sweedish and a little German [18:16] wow... [18:16] Humm, I'm hungry! [18:16] psrechen du geek? [18:16] i just downloaded some audio books on torrentz [18:16] sprechen [18:16] for french [18:16] did like 9 lessons of like 50 [18:16] :/ [18:17] tripFantastic: i think that should be "sprechst du" [18:17] then got back linux, so it kinda shifted gears twards slackbook [18:17] kk [18:17] tripFantastic: or "sprechen Sie" [18:17] semantics :) [18:17] SuN (i=default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:18] ich spreche, du sprecst, er,sie,es sprechen [18:18] no, grammer [18:18] macavity, are you like, the person that secretly answers all of googles questions for them? [18:18] grammert nazi :) [18:18] lol [18:18] tripFantastic: -t :P [18:18] heh [18:18] later, gotta be irl [18:19] beatzz: no.. i only know that i dont know as much as i think i know [18:19] gone [18:19] .... [18:19] tripFantastic: cya :-) [18:19] Action: beatzz thinks of some arostotial quote thats along the same lines [18:19] peace tripFantastic [18:19] much <3 hommie! [18:19] you think is sound like a chinese fortune cookie? [18:20] no... [18:20] s/is/I/ [18:20] aristatal [18:20] aristotle* [18:20] "i only know one thing: that i dont know anything"? [18:20] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [18:20] yea, he said something similar, that for some reason i vaiguly remember [18:21] man i hate this shit, not having any beer. [18:21] my brain starts...working.. [18:21] i havent had any beer for 5 years 8 months and 22 days [18:21] and it actually feels wonderfull :P [18:21] is there any way for for only certain users to run certain programs [18:21] ? [18:21] i havet smoked any pot in like... 3 months and 2 days. [18:22] beatzz: keep up the good work [18:22] set the permission on the /bin/* ? [18:22] I haven't had a beer in ~3 days :( [18:22] :X sorry to hear that thrice` [18:22] well, I want all users to be able to run a certain program, but I need a few to have root priviledges when they do [18:22] enable sudo? [18:22] elliot98: you can either use access controll lists, or you can deploy a user/group scenario with regular file permissions [18:23] ( dont take my sudjestions too seriously elliot98 ) [18:23] how do I set up an access control list? [18:23] sudo is nice, but its prompts for a password and that doesn't really work inside a script [18:24] Nick change: CallMe_JC -> EasyTUX [18:24] basically I need the httpd server to run a few programs with root privildedeges [18:24] how do I set up access control lists? [18:24] sudo can be without password [18:24] elliot98, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_control_list [18:25] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Ho_çakal1n | Bye bye" [18:25] actualy, that link sucks.. [18:25] sorry elliot98 [18:25] my advice is go sudo, w/o password as thrice` mentioned [18:25] elliot98, do you *really* need them to be root? [18:25] elliot98: that could be easily done with group permission and suid root [18:25] yes [18:26] basically, we need a way to remotely restart certain services if the need arises [18:26] u know whats kinda funny to think about [18:26] cause http+exploit=rooted box [18:26] if this channel were like a old 1600's english pub [18:26] and we were all like, drunk english men [18:27] i can totaly see AlienBOB like, the quite cloaked man in the corner [18:27] with a pipe [18:27] silently watching the people converse [18:27] and at a moment of great need [18:27] will speak up with wisdom [18:27] :D [18:27] and the kids are always scared to even look at him [18:27] or kick you in the balls [18:28] and jeev 's can be the villiage...umm.. what were the called ... ;p [18:28] elliot98: read up on the following manpages: acl, setfacl, getfacl [18:28] actualy...that would probiably be me.. [18:28] im like the Donkey of this channel.. [18:28] Action: macavity chuckles [18:28] like shreks donkey... [18:28] thanks...I'll see how to sudo without password [18:28] too [18:29] elliot98, if my simple understanding of anything is correct [18:29] you would use visudo to edit your /etc/sudoers file [18:30] add an ailias, a command, and set it to use root account w/o auth [18:30] elliot98: i was thinking: create a new group, attach the httpd user to that group, add this group to the scripts that starts the service, make this group run the script suid root [18:30] Action: beatzz reads his Linux+ book to bbe shure [18:30] elliot98: and elsewhere on the planet i might have gotten shot for suggesting that you set a script suid root [18:31] elliot98: pros *will* know how to confuse a script into dumping in a shell.. so exploited httpd == rooted box [18:31] ananke_ (n=ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:32] macavity, my aura is good right now [18:32] macavity, it's not possible on a Linux box to SUID a script [18:32] naturally for your own good [18:32] i have that feeling like, everything in my life is in order [18:32] tuxdev: oh [18:32] beatzz: it's wonderfull isnt it? [18:32] of course, you *can* suid a binary with the exact same problems [18:33] macavity, yea man, i got rid of that problem infested laptop [18:33] system() = injection [18:33] set it up for my brother so he can watch movies from his PC, over the network, to his new laptop, sent to his HDTV [18:33] daidoji (n=daidoji7@208.83.107.162) joined ##slackware. [18:33] my laptop works just great.. [18:33] allwaz has [18:34] now i want to build a small server. [18:34] DNS, apache, qmail, fpt, torrent [18:34] all the server apps i can get it to run and have a bad ass server to connect to when im away [18:34] have my own email [18:35] i was thinking [18:35] eric@rnold.com [18:35] tuxdev: ill be damned.. i could have *sworn* that i have had 7750 scripts back in the day [18:35] cause like the @ can serve as the A in my last name. [18:35] interesting [18:35] looks snazzy right? [18:36] no. people will think "how the fuck do i pronounce rnold?!?" [18:36] macavity, very possible [18:36] what kind of method is there to dump a script into shell? [18:36] macavity: only found 7749? [18:36] but nowadays linux ignores the suid bit [18:36] so if you have a switch (BigIron 4000), and you've got no documentation, and the company (Brocade) won't give you the doc since you've got no service contract with them [18:36] XGizzmo: lol [18:36] how would you go about finding such documentation? [18:36] hax0r their shit!! [18:36] XGizzmo: chmod 7750 nimrod :P [18:36] (sorry about the non-slackware related issue but the old timers in here are wizards that I trust with all my hardest questions [18:37] google for a doc i found documentation before online [18:37] ahhh yes, well I have done such a thing many times [18:37] daidoji: then you fetch your usenet account and get some kind soul to post it for you [18:37] in many different ways [18:37] or [18:37] use social engernering [18:37] and the ssh their ass [18:37] mcavity, which group would you recommend? [18:38] and what *ever* you do, dont listen to beatzz.. that will get you in jail [18:38] cause I've thought about that, but I'm not in any net admin groups myself and don't know which the best are ya know? [18:38] im tellin ya... [18:38] o yeah i figured [18:38] pose as a janitor, go in there [18:38] Action: fire|bird hands beatzz a dictionary. engernering? seriously? :P [18:38] get a trash can full of files.. [18:38] daidoji: i dont know.. try looking over them untill you find something like alt.misc.binaries.documentation or something [18:38] i turned away from that path long ago [18:38] just wonderin' how one can break a script and then get into shell [18:38] or, call up the desk clerk! [18:38] and be like, this is the IT i need your password! [18:39] macavity, hmmm yeah I suppose I'll have to [18:39] its just usenet is so hit or miss these days (or always has been) [18:39] and I was hoping someone would know a particular group or IRC channel where I wouldn't have to sift [18:39] elliot98, injection, not sanitizing inputs or double-quoting properly [18:40] shell leaves an epic ton of openings [18:40] i normally find most the stuff i need.. i just currently cant afford a good account with 180 days retention on binaries [18:40] well all, i realy have no reason to be on here right now... [18:40] other than to idle, and flood the channel with my ignorance.. [18:40] i think i will depart for a while, and go watch videos on youtube [18:40] beatzz: be proud.. you are doing both things very good ;-) [18:41] yea yea yea [18:41] :p [18:41] teeehee :P [18:41] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: "peace!!!" [18:41] tuxdev: I see, I'll need to check up on this more. But if the script is run by just clicking without the ability to enter any parameters, what can one do then? [18:42] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@93.107.195.92) joined ##slackware. [18:42] elliot98: then httpd can be pwned [18:42] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:42] pwned? [18:42] heya hitest [18:42] broken into [18:42] nbuonanno (i=nbuonann@you.dontlike.us) left irc: "leaving" [18:42] elliot98, what kind of script is it? [18:43] I need to restart a few services remotely, that's all [18:43] the entire point of running httpd is a non privelidged user is that if it is broken open, then the attacker cant do anything with the system [18:43] hiya fire|bird [18:43] hitest: How's it going? [18:43] elliot98: maybe the sudo thing is best then [18:43] say the mysql service needs restarting [18:43] sudo only lets you call the rc scripts exactly as stated in sudoers [18:43] I set up a simple page that refers to a php backend that runs a mysql restart [18:43] fire|bird: not bad, got a shitty cold, but, other than that all is well:) [18:44] so I would put in: [18:44] andn othing else [18:44] woops [18:44] example: [18:44] ok, that looked secure enough :P [18:44] mupi__ (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [18:44] also PHP has an epic ton of openings [18:44] apache ALL=(root)/etc/init.d/mysql restart [18:45] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Client Quit [18:46] why do I need to specify the "ALL" hosts, if essentially, it's only running one host? [18:47] note that if someone manages to get that run that sudo, they can DoS you by constantly restarting the DB. Not really something you can do anything about at this level, though [18:47] where am I? [18:47] slackie (n=x@87-196-158-59.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:48] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [18:48] where'd everyone go? [18:48] Action: slackie hi there \o [18:49] hey slackie [18:49] Action: hitest waves at elliot98 [18:49] merciful (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:49] arcaos (n=arcaos@190.177.191.248) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:50] i am not proficient enough in sudo to advice you on what is safe or not [18:51] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:51] elliot98, it is not safe [18:51] calling sudo and su from scripts is not a good idea [18:51] about ever [18:51] even if you do it very carefully, scripts should run in jails and never leave [18:51] security wise [18:52] hacking something together wise do what you feel like [18:52] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [18:52] what would you suggest? [18:52] doesn't webmin supposed to do this sort of thing? [18:53] webmin? [18:53] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@93.107.199.109) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:54] does anyone here want to help me with a sed/awk script? it's a pretty simple one, but I've enver used sed or awk before, so i dont know how to go about doing it [18:54] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [18:56] basically, I have a long line of information , and i'm trying to grab a particular piece of info out of it, the information is in between a tag [18:56] alice (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:56] mupi_ (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:58] Blikjeha1 (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) got netsplit. [18:58] frimer (i=frimer@szluug.org) got netsplit. [18:58] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) got netsplit. [19:00] Blikjeham (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) joined ##slackware. [19:00] Blikjeha1 (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) returned to ##slackware. [19:00] frimer (i=frimer@szluug.org) returned to ##slackware. [19:00] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) returned to ##slackware. [19:00] frimer_ (i=frimer@85.17.92.45) joined ##slackware. [19:00] Reticinti: what does the data look like? pastebin? [19:00] frimer (i=frimer@szluug.org) left irc: Connection reset by peer [19:01] Blikjeha1 (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) left irc: Connection reset by peer [19:02] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:02] neonflux: http://pastebin.com/d1a8a4bff [19:03] oh, XML, nifty [19:03] I'm trying to get the data in between [19:03] but since all the data is on one line, I'm having trouble [19:03] arcaos (n=arcaos@190.177.54.182) joined ##slackware. [19:03] neonflux: Have you built xbmc alpha 2 at all yet? I was just gonna give it a try at building. [19:03] slackie (n=x@87-196-158-59.net.novis.pt) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:03] slackie (n=x@87.196.158.59) joined ##slackware. [19:04] fire|bird: yes I did the other day [19:04] only did a version change in the slackbuild [19:04] nvision (n=nvision@g225063208.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [19:04] neonflux: ok, I'll give it a build on desktop and laptop. [19:04] fire|bird: everything else it the same [19:04] ok, thanks. :) [19:05] slackie (n=x@87.196.158.59) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:05] Reticenti: let me take a look and see what I can some up with [19:05] neonflux: here's what I have so far http://pastebin.com/d576b2e61m , but it doesnt work because all the xml is on one line [19:05] slackie (n=x@87.196.158.59) joined ##slackware. [19:05] Reticenti, pipe it to: sed -e 's|^.*\(.*\).*|\1|' [19:06] klein (n=klein@unaffiliated/klein) left irc: "Leaving" [19:06] ah [19:06] Mr-S^b32 (n=Mr-S^b32@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:07] sed -e 's|/^. etc ? [19:07] dont you need a / after the first | [19:07] Reticenti, nope [19:07] I don't think you really need the ^, though [19:07] um why don't you at least try my farking command before trying to "fix" it? [19:08] mancha: because I'm trying to learn what I'm doing than a simple ctrl-c ctrl-v :\ [19:08] rather than [19:09] ok, a "thanks" will suffice. if not i'll remember to avoid helping you next time [19:09] sorry, mancha, thanks for the help [19:09] no problem, enjoy. now if you have any specific question on the syntax i might be around to explain it :) [19:10] why do you use pipes instead of slashes? [19:10] because the end tag uses a / [19:10] ah, ok [19:10] because the "/" thing in fuckes things up [19:10] yeah [19:10] or i guess [19:11] plutonium (n=plutoniu@80.85.119.109) joined ##slackware. [19:11] gnite! [19:11] better run it through a grep "" too [19:12] so, substitute everything before , dont sub (.*\), sub everything after with nothing [19:12] is that what's going on? [19:12] not quite [19:13] no, it is picking up the stuff between the tags as a token, and replacing the whole line with just that token [19:13] oh [19:13] andreas-- (n=andy@unaffiliated/slacky) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:13] (.*\) is a token? [19:13] yes [19:15] the token is really (.*), right? [19:15] ys [19:15] and the \1 is the first token? [19:15] you got it [19:16] cool [19:16] Reticenti: this is rather awkward way of doing it but you can try something like this...cat | awk -F '' '{print $2}' | awk -F '<\\original_image>' '{print $1}' > [19:16] Cann0n (i=1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [19:16] hey [19:16] sorry, I meant...cat | awk -F '' '{print $2}' | awk -F '' '{print $1}' > [19:16] Reticenti, if you wanted to do something any more complicated you should use a real XML parser [19:17] yeah [19:17] ewww [19:17] i go away for a second and come back to you guys parsing xml with regxp? [19:17] thats terrible [19:17] lol [19:17] use an xpath [19:17] thats what its there for [19:17] plutoniu1 (n=plutoniu@80.85.119.109) joined ##slackware. [19:17] I'm writting a script that allows me to upload a pic from the terminal, and it outputs the url to stdout [19:17] No manual entry for xpath [19:18] slackie_ (n=x@87.196.158.59) joined ##slackware. [19:18] So you're having lots of fun with curl too? [19:19] curl isnt too bad [19:19] well I don't know if you can use xpath from Bash [19:19] the api has the curl upload already [19:19] but Perl and Ruby have Xpath libraries [19:19] you can actually use straight bash instead of curl :D [19:19] here's the api I'm using if anyone's interested: http://code.google.com/p/imgur-api/wiki/ImageUploading [19:20] tuxdev, whats the difference between curl and wget? [19:20] tuxdev: bash can POST html? [19:20] post http* [19:20] ive seen a bash script that quasi works like wget :P [19:21] macavity, I wrote one [19:21] tuxdev: your not the criminal that got that one into LFS, right? :P [19:21] Reticenti, bash has a psuedo-device /dev/tcp/$HOST/$PORT [19:21] o.0 thats a good trick [19:21] so thats how you did it [19:21] pretty clever! [19:22] macavity, no, I'm the criminal that uses straight bash as a fallback if wget or curl doesn't exist for src2pkg [19:22] tixdev only if compiled in, which slack doesn't iirc [19:22] ah [19:22] slack does [19:22] tuxdev: nice! [19:22] tuzx, are you certain? [19:22] yes [19:22] so, if i wanted to delete a line with sed, how would I do that? [19:22] s/*// ? [19:22] Dr_Flower (n=chatzill@212.233.209.134) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [SeaMonkey 2.0/20091113174756]" [19:22] d [19:22] oh yeah [19:23] i recomment picking up a sed primer if you're really interested. proceed at own peril though [19:23] ok.. time to hit the bunk [19:23] tux, maybe in newer releases, the one i am checking now doesn't [19:23] yeah, i['ve been reading one [19:23] nn all [19:23] good night macavity [19:23] nn [19:24] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "...And thanks for all the fish!" [19:24] can perl do everything sed can do? [19:24] yes and more [19:24] but thats old school [19:24] new school is Ruby System scripting [19:24] ie, should i just learn perl, or should I jsut learn sed&awk [19:24] or ruby.. [19:24] never used it [19:24] learn everything [19:24] lol [19:25] mancha, nope, it's something I've been hacking recently [19:25] but check out Ruby, its a fantastic language [19:25] tuxdev huh? [19:25] the bash downloader [19:25] daidoji: can it do sed & awk type stuff as well, with ease? [19:25] although everyone should know sed&awk for the sake of its on every *nix system in existence for hte most part [19:26] the next stable may or may not have it [19:26] i am talking about pseudo devices [19:26] Reticenti, yeah [19:26] hmm, i'll have to look that up [19:26] i mean they were (and Perl especially) designed for pattern scanning and manipulation of text [19:26] ah. I'm using 3.1.17 from 13, and it has it [19:26] but Perl and Ruby are more extended languages with many more capabilities [19:27] yeah [19:27] while sed&awk are more special purpose tools [19:27] slackie__ (n=x@87.196.158.59) joined ##slackware. [19:27] or else I wouldn't be able to work on it for src2pkg [19:27] i've been wanting to learn perl for a while [19:27] and I think they run faster (a little bit faster) [19:27] sed&awk I mean [19:27] perl's regex engine is *very* good [19:27] yeah [19:27] that's what I've heard [19:28] slackie (n=x@87.196.158.59) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:28] anyone know anything about animal medics? [19:29] for simple stuff sed is probably faster due to perl's startup cost [19:29] tuxdev, yeah but awk still beats out perl regexp [19:29] bc perl uses extended regexp [19:30] which causes computability slowdowns in many cases [19:30] I'm looking into webmin now [19:30] awk just uses vanilla regexp [19:30] wouldn't that application pose a security hole too? [19:30] acidchild: lol, why? (I have no idea about animal medics) [19:30] elliot98, yes, but it's the "many eyes" theory [19:31] a lot of people have been working on trying to break webmin for a long time [19:32] that's interesting [19:32] I am just wondering how it works...you need to give httpd user admin privledges? [19:32] fire|bird: my rat is dieing, wondering how i can put him down [19:32] its killing me inside watching him [19:32] :( [19:32] no clue, never actually used it myself [19:32] acidchild: Ah, ok. sorry to hear that. [19:33] i was thinking ketamine and oxy.. but there isn't a vial i can give it to him in thats big enough [19:33] sigh... [19:33] vets are rather expensive.. [19:33] vein* [19:33] tuxdev: yes. [19:33] tux, do you create the devices? [19:34] mancha, no, you just pretend they exist and they exist [19:34] he's just pissing himself and sufficating slowly on my desk [19:34] sigh :( [19:34] there's a nifty example in ABS [19:35] flush him down the toilet like a goldfish [19:36] acidchild, if you pump enough into him finding a vein probably doesn't matter a whole lot [19:36] i dunno [19:36] Pig_Pen: your fucked [19:36] whats wrong with you? [19:36] yoyoned (n=todd@99-28-32-154.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:36] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [19:37] its a rat dude [19:37] It's certainly more humane to do *something* than let him keep going while we're discussing it [19:37] walk to the closest TO bus route, place him where the duals of the bus will travel, problem solved. :P [19:37] tux, thats amazing, when did redirections become default for bash? [19:37] trolly tracks [19:37] plutonium (n=plutoniu@80.85.119.109) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:37] as opposed to requiring a flag [19:38] to delete the first line with sed, how about this? "sed '1, d'" ? [19:38] or do i need a regxp in ther? [19:38] just sed 1d [19:38] mancha, no clue, much earlier than I ever tried doing the trick [19:39] tux, nod, i recall having to mknod devices but that was some moons ago [19:39] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.36.12) joined ##slackware. [19:40] Action: XGizzmo stabs nachox [19:40] Action: Camarade_Tux starts drinking nachox' blood [19:40] Action: nachox bleeds [19:40] Action: fire|bird reports a stabbing. [19:40] Action: chopp pukes. [19:41] fire|bird: btw, you forgot your knife [19:41] err, what's this dinking blood thing? someone has been reading twilight? [19:41] Camarade_Tux: someone stole it, you have any clues? :P [19:41] hi nachox, how are you? [19:41] dunno, but take it :) [19:41] /dev/tcp's my standard "bash is way more powerful than you imagined" card [19:41] nachox: NOWAY! [19:41] hehehe [19:42] along with indirect function calls [19:42] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [19:42] tuxdev: don't be too proud of this technological terror you've created! [19:42] tuxdev, i much rather ksh for my scripting needs [19:42] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:42] bash is a superb interactive shell though [19:42] Action: Camarade_Tux stabs nachox again for saying he was reading twilight! [19:42] die bitch :) [19:42] ubuntu (n=ubuntu@200.31.21.186) joined ##slackware. [19:43] Action: Camarade_Tux dies [19:43] anyone knows what software can I use to make a voice call to my home slackbox? [19:43] oops [19:43] ekiga [19:43] good luck installing it [19:43] or skype [19:43] ban ubuntu! [19:43] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [19:43] Camarade_Tux, it's a book like any other. It's actually nice for those who are not native because the english in the book is not advanced so it's useful to learn [19:44] does ekiga works peer to peer? [19:44] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.168.215) joined ##slackware. [19:44] tuxdev: ekiga works fine on my slack systems. [19:44] on ubuntu systems it works queer to queer [19:44] Action: mancha ducks [19:44] ubuntu, i think it's just SIP, so yes, it does peer to peer [19:45] mancha, hehe [19:45] I have never used VoIP before [19:45] nachox: yeah, I think it's really appropriate for girls who want to learn english -_- [19:45] anyway gotta try it [19:45] mancha: nice. :P [19:45] (or jeev -_- ) [19:45] just use skype, much better [19:45] chopp, it's got a nasty case of dependency hell [19:45] anyway, gotta go, I'm waking up in 5 hours :) [19:45] tuxdev: indeed it does. [19:45] see ya Camarade_Tux [19:46] Camarade_Tux, hehe, you're being judgemental [19:46] Urchlay, if you think that's bad you've not seen *anything* yet [19:47] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [19:47] I would save a lot of money by not having to use those plain old pstn terminals [19:47] lol [19:48] ah, lovely, i didnt know of the GatewayPorts sshd_config option, very useful [19:49] nachox: I'm innocent! :P [19:49] tuxdev: eh? I dunno, bash keeps growing features faster than I can be bothered to learn them, it wouldn't surprise me if it's achieved sentience by now [19:49] o yeah dude [19:49] bash acheived sentience 3 versions ago [19:49] ='( I can't open this biscuit box ='( [19:49] :'-( [19:49] \o/ [19:50] Urchlay, I've got code that'll pull all the data out of the RPM binary header and extract the gzipped cpio archive [19:50] that was fun [19:50] piping dd into od into tr to get a nice hexdump [19:50] tuxdev, it's called rpm2targz? :P [19:50] ^^ [19:51] soon all you'll need for a desktop is kernel+bash [19:52] tuxdev: neat... but I dunno if I'd have done that in bash [19:52] nachox, that requires the existence of a binary executable rpmoffset and doesn't preserve the metadata [19:52] bah, you only need emacs, no need for a kernel [19:52] daidoji (n=daidoji7@208.83.107.162) left irc: [19:53] Urchlay, I'm trying *very* hard to keep my branch both noarch and distro-independent [19:53] and with the lowest boostrap requirements [19:54] branch of what? [19:54] src2pkg [19:55] ah [19:55] I missed that part [19:59] I would prefer like a command line voip software [20:00] i doubt you'll find that [20:00] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:04] tuxdev (n=tgoya@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: "Leaving" [20:04] VoIPd [20:06] or make use of inetd [20:09] yoyoned (n=todd@99-28-32-154.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving." [20:12] nullm0dem (n=quassel@65-183-140-170-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:13] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:13] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [20:15] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:16] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:18] jescis (i=1000@adsl-93-88-244.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:20] jescis (i=1000@adsl-93-88-244.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:21] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-141-152-144-238.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:21] Heya,slackers...How's all? [20:21] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [20:23] ubuntu (n=ubuntu@200.31.21.186) left irc: "leaving" [20:23] credo (n=credo@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [20:24] bad , after several hours of compiling I failed again. [20:25] Sorry to hear.....On what source,paul424? [20:25] Alba[onga (n=alpha@93.45.126.187) joined ##slackware. [20:25] Alba[onga (n=alpha@93.45.126.187) left ##slackware. [20:25] TClayton_ (n=TClayton@nc-76-3-71-178.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [20:26] the source of misery [20:26] MLanden: yeah the source of misery :P [20:27] Action: MLanden sends paul424 the source to company....it loves it...:P [20:28] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl6-198-154.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [20:29] MLanden: howdy, how goeS? [20:29] Alba[onga (n=alpha@93.45.126.187) joined ##slackware. [20:29] good thanks BP{k} ... yourself? [20:29] MLanden: no complaints :) [20:30] http://svn.slackware-fr.org/revision.php?repname=contribs&path=%2F&rev=2275, almost work, it ask you about platform, after several hours of computing, says no SSE2 on your athlonxp <_<. [20:31] holy fugly build batman! [20:33] SSE2 wasn't implemented by AMD until Athlon 64 [20:34] hi [20:34] heya,tripFantastic [20:34] TClayton (n=TClayton@unaffiliated/tclayton) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:34] hi ML [20:35] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [20:39] i have a MGE ups with 800va.. now the 2 batteries need replacement... but i found that the UPS case have 3 batteries slots, so i ask: [20:39] can i buy 3 battery and install then, instead of just 2? [20:39] you really should ask mge [20:40] frullet (n=hooch@203-206-19-122.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:40] it sold out to APC :) [20:40] that's too specific a question for her [20:40] here [20:40] then cal apc [20:40] call [20:40] :) [20:40] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-136-21.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:40] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [20:40] if you can cal voice, that would be best IMO [20:40] sometimes we get luck and find a eletronic expert :) [20:40] heya MLanden, how are you? [20:40] k [20:40] thanks anyway :) [20:41] yw [20:41] heya,fire|bird...great thanks...yourself? [20:41] or email [20:41] squabble|bellboys: [20:41] MLanden: great, thanks. Looks like Parole media player is getting some work on it, going by the xfce mailing lists. It may even, some day, replace totem. :) [20:41] Action: edman007 waves [20:42] hey anticompetitive|greenness [20:42] er, fire|bird: how's your slackware studio docs coming along? [20:42] err Urchlay [20:42] andarius (n=andarius@67.191.170.126) joined ##slackware. [20:42] greetings and salutations [20:42] Urchlay: coming along well. [20:42] fire|bird: great to hear...are they making it more gtk compatible for the older distros? [20:42] greetings andarius, how are you? [20:42] I finally got around to hooking up a bass guitar to my soundcard's line input, looking for realtime effect software. Wondered if you have any recommendations.... [20:43] salutations fire|bird, I am well. you ? [20:43] MLanden: not that I've seen, but that'd sure be nice. [20:43] heya,andarius [20:43] andarius: I am great, thank you. [20:43] salutations MLanden [20:43] i feel the need to say [20:43] BAH! humbug! [20:43] phew; that was stuck on my fingers [20:44] fire|bird: prolly not...but it would be nice [20:44] fire|bird: realtime effects might be outside the scope of what you're doing though (not trying to record anything, trying to replace a board full of pedals with a laptop) [20:45] Urchlay: Hmm, there's synths, etc. on the list, not so much that strikes me as what you're looking for though. [20:45] MLanden: yeah, definitely. They are also working on a browser plugin for parole to handle media related stuff online. [20:46] fire|bird: cool [20:46] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [20:46] tripFantastic: lol...feel better? [20:48] Urchlay: So, you're mainly looking to have something to apply effects, in real time, to the input from the guitar? [20:48] MLanden yea ty just a bit; [cough] [knuckle cracking] ah! yea. that's helping [20:48] fire|bird: yep [20:49] fire|bird: if you don't have any info, I'll let you know what I find out (tried out this thing called "stompboxes2", it sucked) [20:49] tripFantastic: alrighty now...:P [20:49] Urchlay: yeah, I'm just looking through some things that we have in the guide. [20:50] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [20:50] MLanden pm? [20:51] tripFantastic: alright [20:51] nasty [20:51] Urchlay: http://linux-sound.org/fx.html [20:52] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [20:52] deco: your mom step out of the shower again? [20:53] chopp: nah, grandma this time, twice the # of wrinkles. [20:53] lol [20:53] uhg [20:53] haha [20:53] and, well, gravity has taken much more of a toll. [20:54] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:55] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:57] hi, i am using slackware 13.0 64 bit + alienbob's multilib. I use kde4 and would like webcam software. I tried kamoso, it builds, runs , and then crashes when it runs. the devel's know about the error. SO , now i'm trying webKam. i built it, and installed it but i get this error: ./webkam_app.rb:2:in `require': no such file to load -- gst (LoadError) from ./webkam_app.rb:2 from main.rb:1:in `require [20:57] ' from main.rb:1 [20:58] use strace to determine what file is missing [20:58] tripFantastic, how do i do that? [20:58] start with strace manpage; use its -o [20:58] it's simple to use [20:58] strace appname [20:59] strace appname -o aFilename [20:59] fire|bird: currently writing a slackbuild script for rakarrack [21:00] sahk0 (n=grbzks@ppp-94-68-143-94.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:00] from the screenshots, it's got a hideous UI, but that's no big deal if it sounds good [21:00] http://pastebin.ca/1678721 [21:00] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.21.98) joined ##slackware. [21:01] Urchlay: yeah. Let me know how well it works, might be something worth adding to the guide. [21:01] i cant surf atm [21:01] what file is missing? [21:01] open("/usr/lib64/locale/locale-archive", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) [21:01] open("/usr/lib64/gconv/gconv-modules.cache", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) [21:02] what's your current locale? [21:02] stat("/usr/local/bin/ruby", 0x7fff42cdc670) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) [21:02] that's a bad one; locale dir errors arent bad really [21:03] i'm sorry, i don't understand this question " what's your current locale?" [21:03] what's your native tongue? [21:03] fire|bird: it needs fltk and jack, just now got 'em installed... [21:03] english [21:03] canada [21:03] ok so start the app thus: [21:03] LANG=C appname [21:03] see if that works [21:04] Urchlay: ok, both are on SBo too, so that's nice. [21:04] bash-3.1$ LANG=C webkam ./webkam_app.rb:2:in `require': no such file to load -- gst (LoadError) [21:04] ok; you need to install ruby first to run that app [21:04] from ./webkam_app.rb:2 from main.rb:1:in `require' from main.rb:1 [21:05] blkdg run: which ruby [21:05] stompboxes2 only knows how to use OSS, but that doesn't explain why it sounds so nasty [21:05] ruby's installed /usr/bin/ruby [21:05] blkdg ok; edit that script, change the first #! line removing the /local from it [21:06] the path to ruby is wrong [21:06] ok, one sec [21:06] k [21:07] #!/bin/sh cd /usr/lib/webkam/ ruby main.rb [21:07] that's the content of the script [21:07] k [21:08] there's no /local in the #! line [21:08] k [21:08] so you want me to arr usr bin to ruby main.rb [21:08] ! [21:08] i think so. [21:09] change the bare `ruby' to `usr/bin/ruby' in that sript [21:09] /usr/bin/ruby [21:10] the file is now: #!/bin/sh cd /usr/lib/webkam/ /usr/bin/ruby main.rb [21:10] k [21:10] the error is: [21:11] bash-3.1$ webkam /webkam_app.rb:2:in `require': no such file to load -- gst (LoadError) from ./webkam_app.rb:2 from main.rb:1:in `require' from main.rb:1 [21:11] ok; umm [21:11] is there a ##ruby channel here? [21:11] can we see line 2 of webkam_app.rb maybe? [21:12] ok, one sec [21:12] blkdg paste tht line here [21:12] i think the ruby install is borked or perhaps the webkam pkg [21:12] just a guess, but it looks like it's trying to load a ruby module and failing to find it. Do the docs say anything about certain ruby modules being needed? (dunno if ruby folks call them "modules" or not though) [21:12] yea [21:13] require 'gst' [21:13] think #ruby-lang is one on 'em [21:14] right, whatever gst is, you need it (probably ruby bindings for gstreamer) [21:14] ok; i think that's a ruby "pkg" [21:14] i will look for it at slackbuilds [21:14] umm, well, on slack, it's easy to just reinstall a package [21:14] no idea whether it's a separate install, or part of gstreamer, or part of webkam, or what [21:14] yea, that ref to usr/local threw me off [21:15] but ruby is a std slackpkg [21:15] not sbo [21:15] http://www.nongnu.org/ruby-gst/ its gnome now :D [21:15] yah, but it looks like ruby itself is already installed. It's "gst" for ruby that's missing.... [21:15] so did the kam default to usr/local? [21:15] maybe a reconf is needed for kam [21:16] with a prefix=/usr [21:16] Urchlay k [21:16] unless the /local was from the #! runner looking for the bin only [21:16] I don't know ruby well enough to know where it's looking for that module [21:16] zerosoul13 (n=angel@201.171.102.72) joined ##slackware. [21:16] nor do i [21:17] or how to tell if it's installed... but I'd have a look at the link sahk0 posted, it looks relevant [21:17] i think the local/ came from crt0 [21:17] k [21:18] and it seems to require gnome.. [21:18] blkdg is gnome running? [21:18] well that's certainly non-std-from-pat [21:22] ok, one other thing: my original error after i built it was /usr/bin/webkam: line 3: cd: /usr/bin/webkam/../../lib/webkam/: Not a directory ruby: No such file or directory -- main.rb (LoadError) and the solution i found multiple times was : replace cd $0/../../lib/webkam/ with cd /usr/lib/webkam/ [21:22] could that be the screw up? [21:22] no [21:22] tripFantastic, it's a full install of slackware 13.0 64 bit i assume theres gtk libs. [21:22] if the first path with the dots resolves to your change, then that's good. [21:23] k [21:23] if it were, you'd get an error like "ruby: No such file or directory -- webkam.rb (LoadError)" [21:23] sorry about that dely there, i had to find the orginal file [21:23] s'ok [21:23] i was gona knock on your door [21:24] ok what's my next step. i'm lost in the information right now [21:24] ruby's trying to load a ruby module called "gst", which looks like gstreamer bindings for ruby [21:24] k [21:24] so you'll need gstreamer itself, plus ruby's gstreamer stuff (no idea how much of gnome is required to get all that installed) [21:25] http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=gst&sv=13.0 which one do i get? [21:25] gstreamer is part of slackware [21:26] this is weird that it req gnome, the guys got his project hosdted at kde-apps.org and the req is kde4 . [21:26] which app is it? [21:26] sahk0: ah, must be that it didn't used to be, I remember once installing it from SBo [21:26] and i have gstreamer thanks to patrick v. [21:26] Urchlay: not all codecs are in slack. most arent [21:27] ok, but which of theses http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=gst&sv=13.0 do i need [21:27] which app are you trying to use? [21:27] webkam [21:27] a kde-apps link would be great [21:27] sorry [21:27] http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=76902&forumpage=5 [21:29] danklesm1n (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:31] jescis (i=1000@adsl-93-88-244.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] you need a quite large part of gnome to use ruby-gnome afaict. id use something else tbh [21:32] and i dont know which part of gnome are needed but GStramer Ruby bindings means you need ruby-gnome2 [21:32] ok. [21:32] Spy_Pc (n=t7DS@189.107.60.77) joined ##slackware. [21:32] thanks for the heads up [21:33] my other option was kamoso [21:33] http://packages.debian.org/sid/ruby-gnome2 [21:33] this lists too many [21:33] and it crashes when it runs. i mean i can see the camera working, but there's a secondary window that req selectiong a dir, and it craps out at every option [21:34] all the slackware , gentoo and arch users are complaining about that not working [21:34] that is, same issue [21:34] anyhow, i guess this guys kde app is a gnome - ish app [21:34] nice [21:35] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:36] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:37] sorry, one last thing, those slackpackages that i listed, would any of them work? [21:37] oh, and i found this too http://code.google.com/p/webkam-kde4/updates/list [21:37] check out the entry for nov 15, 2009 [21:38] please [21:38] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. 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[21:48] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:48] Cann0n (i=1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:49] if you look here http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=111750&forumpage=2 [21:49] you'll see a guy who lists a problem with slackware and kamoso running. [21:49] julioc (n=Who@unaffiliated/juli0/x-182974) left irc: Client Quit [21:50] macius (n=macius@i209-195-75-249.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [21:50] he built a package at slacky.eu [21:50] but that dosn't work when it runs [21:50] i mean to say it builds and installs, but then the weird windowing behaviour begins. [21:50] so don't use slacky.eu or that package [21:52] bbiab [21:52] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-141-152-144-238.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Life is the greatest source...Seek it out and see how it compiles!" [21:53] antiwire, i tried it from source [21:53] then i found the .eu package [21:53] and they give the same results [21:54] cant you make without sbo? i mean "manually"? [21:54] is this the point at which i hone my non existing c skills (z) ? [21:54] could be [21:54] automake skillz too [21:54] autoconf too [21:54] 'bye kids, daddy has to make an app now' [21:54] nice [21:55] heh [21:55] by kids, daddy's gotta take a crap [21:56] clever [21:56] Action: mancha bows [21:57] mgjschdl (n=none@CPE002129932877-CM0011ae91a686.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [21:57] prodor_ (n=prodor@189.193.65.9) joined ##slackware. [21:57] arcaos_ (n=arcaos@host-12-205-154.linksat.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [21:58] speaking of learning, this process has introduced me to building with cmkae, that's a plus [21:58] ok thanks again for your help folks [21:59] yw [21:59] hello all [21:59] one final thought [21:59] when in doubt [21:59] rm -rf :) [21:59] I'm trying to enable my HT [21:59] can someone help me in here [21:59] i dont ht [22:00] oobe: do you know how to enable your HT on kernel? [22:00] trip, not sure if you're an old-timer or new-timer but we like to keep dangerous cli tidbits off the channel so as to prevent nooby cut&pastes [22:00] it's Quiznos [22:00] mancha old; aware of the habits too [22:00] who? [22:01] by the why to the idiots in here i use slackware for anyof you to not say some stupid crap like offtopic slackware [22:01] kernel = slackware so eat my socks [22:01] the kernel != slackware [22:01] woah, zoo-time? [22:01] antiwire: good job! [22:01] Action: mancha goes bak to $other things [22:02] arcaos_ (n=arcaos@host-12-205-154.linksat.net.ar) left irc: Client Quit [22:02] the other channel is calmer [22:02] i don't know any other [22:02] what is Masterx831 talking about? [22:02] I need help on enabling my HT on kernel menuconfig [22:03] so enable its option [22:03] there is no distros but slackware and Patrick is the prophet [22:03] well everytime i do i mess upo something and kernel panic occurs [22:03] what panics [22:03] so i need some step by step confirmation from any experts in here [22:03] with kernewl [22:03] error kernel panics [22:04] what panic message? [22:04] Masterx831: Are you using an initrd on your currently running system? [22:04] antiwire: how can I find out? [22:04] hi tripFantastic [22:04] pastebin us your /etc/lilo.conf [22:04] amen brother pig-pen [22:04] thanks again [22:04] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:04] I'm new into learning with kernel so I need to learn from an expert okay hold on i will pastebin my lilo [22:04] ... [22:04] whiskas (n=mc@87.72.242.147) joined ##slackware. [22:05] also pastebin us the output of uname -a [22:05] damn you antiwire [22:05] ) [22:05] tripFantastic: DonQuixote ? [22:05] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) joined ##slackware. [22:05] fire|bird: OK, rakarrack is pretty neat, I totally don't understand what I just did in qjackctl to actually make it work though [22:05] i cant [22:06] tripFantastic: k, just making sure all is right [22:06] but it's not [22:06] Urchlay: haha, cool. [22:06] Urchlay: It can do what you were looking for? [22:07] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.193.8.110) joined ##slackware. [22:07] yeah [22:08] I wish the *hell* the author hadn't chosen a blue background with puke-green buttons [22:08] sup urch [22:08] Urchlay: awesome. [22:08] hey shared libraries under linux = always the .so right ? [22:08] Urchlay: Ugh, horrible color choice indeed. :P [22:08] hola jeev [22:09] fire|bird: I don't see a way to change it either [22:09] hey why do people put their email addresses .. user at blah dot com, i mean isn't it 2009? haven't the spam bots learned to look for at and dot ? :D [22:09] oh, wait, yes there is [22:10] hmm that's funny at diffrent time of the day there are diffrent common guest ... like Comrade_tux is from France which is 4:09 so he is sleeping now, and most people here are from USA now. [22:10] jrt05 (n=jason@pool-72-69-224-228.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] comrad is a gay guy, he lives in san francisco, ca [22:11] and you are a jew ? [22:12] Hi.. [22:12] wow, no [22:12] paul424, dont ever insult me like that again [22:13] antiwire: I have no mouse so it might take me a while to respond, by the way i hate emacs its hard lol, um.. here is my lilo http://frilebin.ca/smsfo/lilo.conf [22:14] 404 [22:14] jeev: come on if not jews you wouldn't be running linux now. [22:15] Masterx831, and why you suppose your mouse problem is related to lilo? [22:15] Masterx831: Here is my write up on building your own kernel which will end up being based upon the currently running kernel's configuration and will not blow away any of the stock slacwkare kernels or files http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/AfyLNJ33.html [22:15] gpm is the driver incharged of mouse on console [22:16] fire|bird: the thing has an "auto connect JACK" checkbox, but it doesn't seem to work (I have to use qjackctl to connect it up, every time) [22:16] Masterx831: Also, the option you are looking for is CONFIG_SCHED_SMT [22:16] You'll probably want to start with the SMP kernel too [22:17] yeah i have smp [22:17] Urchlay: yeah, could be perms. SBo page of jack mentions about it. [22:17] acidtripper: because my mouse broke a long time ago [22:17] Masterx831: run this for us: zgrep CONFIG_SCHED_SMT /proc/config.gz [22:17] slammed it too many times against the table and the laser just gave up [22:17] :P [22:17] http://www.netlib.org/atlas/archives/linux/, this packages contain the desired lib, but not a .so but .a format. What should I do ? [22:18] antiwire: ok [22:18] buy a new one, it may cost 1$ [22:18] and ordinary one [22:18] acidtripper: [22:18] fire|bird: one thing I haven't found yet is an overall wet/dry balance [22:18] walmart is 10 dollars for lasers [22:18] some of the individual effects have a control for that, but I haven't found a global one yet [22:18] there walmart is 24hs open? [22:19] Urchlay: Hmm, ok. Maybe there's another app that has an option for that. [22:19] there are several 24.7 walmart's in this county [22:20] whatever about Walmart. Masterx831 are you following along? [22:21] it's not really a huge deal I suppose, the only effect I ever use where I need a wet/dry control is probably distortion (on a bass, you *have* to mix the undistorted signal back into the distorted output, or else you lose all your low end & it sounds like a guitar) [22:21] most US walmarts are super walmarts and open 24/7 [22:22] yea [22:22] actually I know of 2 walmarts within driving distance of me that *used* to be 24/7 but are no longer [22:22] I have 4 within 8 miles that are all 24/7 :| [22:22] wow [22:22] Urchlay, maybe it wasn't rentable [22:22] location? [22:22] NE ATL GA [22:22] Alba[onga (n=alpha@93.45.126.187) left ##slackware. [22:23] k [22:23] andarius: really? I'm in Acworth... [22:23] the population is there [22:23] the walmarts I'm talking about were in marietta though (used to live there) [22:23] Urchlay: Duluth [22:24] cable tv is jumpy tonight [22:24] in IRC distance, that's like you're next door [22:24] a few ns close [22:25] ms [22:25] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-141-152-144-238.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:25] MLanden the bastages here outted me [22:25] lol [22:25] antiwire: CONFIG_SCHED_SMT=y [22:25] what ever that means [22:25] smt is configed to be included in kernel [22:26] That means your current kernel already has HT scheduler support enabled. [22:26] tripFantastic: what bastages? [22:26] lol antiwire [22:26] antiwire: well its lying to me take a look at my bench mark [22:26] Masterx831 zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i smt [22:27] It's not lying to you [22:27] It says it right there [22:27] http://74.235.213.125/lsnet [22:27] it says 1 core [22:27] Masterx831: show us the complete output of: cat /proc/cpuinfo [22:27] yea that [22:28] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [22:28] what is SCHED_SMT for? [22:28] prodor_ (n=prodor@189.193.65.9) left irc: "Saliendo" [22:28] thrice`: It does different scheduling for systems that are HT cpus rather than actual multicore cpus [22:28] thrice`: you should know this since youre an expert in ehre [22:29] I'm not an expert in anything :) [22:29] because HT was a silly little thing [22:29] I didn't have it set locally, so was curious :) [22:29] Masterx831 what does grep produce? [22:29] =y [22:29] dude [22:30] Masterx831: show us the complete output of: cat /proc/cpuinfo [22:30] k [22:30] tripFantastic is repeating commands [22:30] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:30] spurious use of grep and pipe detected in tripFantastic's command. Please ignore [22:31] Guest68226 (n=grekkos@pool-71-183-41-241.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:34] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:35] processorI: 0, Vendor_IDI: GenuineIntel, cpu familyI: 15, modelII: 4, model nameI: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz [22:35] tck9 (n=gentoo@S010600a2bc4a5271.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:36] tck9 (n=gentoo@S010600a2bc4a5271.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:37] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:37] that's not all the output [22:38] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:38] steppingIII: 1, cpu MHzII: 2792.956, cache sizeI: 1024 KB, fdiv_bugI: no, HLT_bugII: no, f00f_bugI: no, coma_bugI: no, fpuII: yes, fpu_exceptionI: yes, cpuid levelI:5, wp11: yes [22:39] can you just pastebin us *all* of the output [22:39] flagsII: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts apci mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe constant_tsc [22:39] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [22:39] fine and what ever that means lol [22:40] and also pastebin the output of uname -a [22:40] free_fox (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:42] earp_child (n=DirtySan@72-4-87-94.gncsin06.customers.broadreach.net) joined ##slackware. [22:42] frullet (n=hooch@203-206-19-122.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [22:43] anyone have any luck getting a wacom tablet to work with slack 11 or 12? [22:43] antiwire: http://filebin/capogdtg/cpuinfo [22:44] 404...again [22:44] antiwire: http://filebin.ca/pogdtg/cpuinfo [22:44] ok uname -a [22:44] Masterx831: and finally, what does uname -a output [22:44] yeah [22:45] minux (n=email@c-67-172-180-105.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] sp4z (n=sp4z@c210-49-70-149.hillc2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [22:46] Nick change: slackie_ -> slackie [22:46] Linux fubx 2.6.27.7-smp #2 SMP Thu Nov 20 22:32:43 CST 2008 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.60GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [22:47] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [22:47] ok, is HT enabled in the BIOS? [22:48] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [22:48] hoobop: anecdotally, I have seen it working, but have no experience setting it up :/ 12.2 fwiw [22:49] I'm not sure do I have to reboot? antiwire [22:49] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.21.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:49] Masterx831: yeah go look through the whole BIOS closely for Hyperthreading support or anything relating to the CPU [22:50] eviljames: i'm at a loss; i don't know if i'm supposed to have the kernel module installed before i put linuxwacom drivers together, etc. [22:50] Is it a home built system? [22:50] mupi__ (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:50] maybe it's just me, but i'm having a hard time making sense out of the linuxwacom "how to" [22:51] antiwire: I've brought this in a garage sell which they had purchase back in 2006 [22:51] it's a DELL Dimension 3000 [22:51] tanamo (n=tanamo@125.252.70.230) joined ##slackware. [22:51] There is an option in the 3k's bios [22:51] I have one [22:51] zerosoul13 (n=angel@201.171.102.72) left ##slackware. [22:52] the only thing I've done was more memory and a SBlive card and about to put in my tv tune card [22:52] ok... [22:52] so go enable HT in the bios now [22:52] antiwire: how you know it's my bios [22:52] maybe its my kernel [22:52] I just said, I have a Dell Dimension 3000 [22:53] your kernel is already ready, already. [22:53] It's like I have to say everything twice to you [22:53] whiskas (n=mc@87.72.242.147) left irc: "Leaving" [22:54] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.136.158.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [22:54] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-174-54-144-240.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:55] phew.. accidentally removed my /boot after my slackware install [22:55] lol, time ago i removed /usr making a package :S [22:55] briareus (n=briareus@ip24-251-35-116.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:55] antiwire: ok brb [22:56] brb all [22:56] The option is under CPU info and it called "Hyper-Threading" [22:56] it/is [22:56] enable that [22:56] didnt know if it would work but i found hugesmp.s from the cd and copied it over, didnt help that im running some funky setup with lvm on root too, i got it though, here I am :) [22:56] okay thank you let me go check it out [22:56] Masterx831 (i=1000@adsl-235-213-125.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:57] grep -i CONFIG_SMP /usr/src/linux-2.6.31.6/.config [22:57] (or your kernel) [22:58] I swear wtf [22:58] ? [22:58] I hope that was fiyawerx [22:59] for* [22:59] ? [22:59] whatdIdo? [22:59] Kidpunkx (n=miguelba@adsl-235-213-125.mco.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:59] antiwire in cpu info I have [23:00] processor id i cant change the setting [23:00] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:00] antiwire, hope what was me? [23:00] You can't see my correction? [23:01] for*? Wasn't sure what you were correcting [23:02] for* as in, I hope that was for fiyawerx. [23:02] antiwire on CPU speed it's normal should i change it to compatitble [23:02] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:02] any defualut tool to convert the debian packages ? [23:02] hayaka (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:03] I'm in a Hostel... [23:03] did I make you hostile/ [23:03] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [23:03] nope, it's clean, useful, beautiful and cheap ;) [23:04] and with WIFI lol [23:04] Kidpunkx: Sounds like your system either has a problem or doesn't support HT [23:04] I meant did *I* make you hostile? [23:04] My Dimension 3000 supports HT [23:04] acidtripper: hostel? where? [23:04] hayaka (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:04] oxez (i=oxez@threel.oxez.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] psoydo (n=psoydo@80.187.101.101) joined ##slackware. [23:05] grep -i "model name" /proc/cpuinfo [23:05] Your CPU supports it HT based on the flags in /proc/cpuinfo but if you don't have the option in your BIOS at all there is something wrong [23:05] briareus: seriously? [23:05] wow [23:05] This is stupid I'm done [23:05] neonflux (n=neonflux@209.19.58.106) joined ##slackware. [23:05] i'll send you the like, a while [23:05] i come to sign up on university [23:05] http://www.laplata-hostel.com.ar/ [23:06] psoydo (n=psoydo@80.187.101.101) left irc: Client Quit [23:06] antiwire: what'd I do? [23:06] briareus: I have gone through everything with him already and you're repeating it again. [23:06] sorry [23:06] antiwire how can i fix it should i take off my battery out of my mother board to reset it or something [23:06] was trying to be helpful, not to dip my little fly in your ointment [23:07] Kidpunkx: you can try to reset it. Also, my system is at BIOS rev A03. What is your version? [23:07] acidtripper: cool....enjoy your time [23:07] psoydo (n=psoydo@tmo-101-101.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [23:07] A02 [23:08] how can i upgrade expecially with linux [23:08] many Dell systems support libsmbios [23:08] I update my laptop form within slackware that way [23:08] earp_child (n=DirtySan@72-4-87-94.gncsin06.customers.broadreach.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:08] from* [23:09] psoydo (n=psoydo@tmo-101-101.customers.d1-online.com) left ##slackware. [23:09] yes, now ill get on bed in a few minutes but tomorrow night i'll go out and saturday i have a barbacue with some friends [23:09] antiwire what is the CPU Speed ....................Normal [23:09] should i switch it to compatible [23:09] can't upgrade bios from usb key? [23:10] since a long time i dont need to upgrade bios.. but last time i did it was with a diskette [23:10] Kidpunkx: leave it at normal. Switching that won't enable HT [23:11] ok [23:11] let me reset it then [23:11] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.21.98) joined ##slackware. [23:11] that's one way to do it...or boot from a freedos disk and install the upgrade from there [23:12] HEY what is the diffrence b-en foobar.so and foobar.so.3 ? [23:12] or do it from linux.... [23:12] yes, right now i dont have diskette on my lappie so that would be impossible, but time ago upgrading from win was connected to errors,, and diskette too :P [23:12] possibly braking [23:12] paul424, .so might be a link to .so.4, actually [23:13] Action: paul424 sights ... [23:13] hyke (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:13] are there diffrences in .so.3 so.4 and so forth ? [23:14] .[0-9] are versions [23:14] of the shared library [23:14] obviously different [23:15] different versions* [23:15] ah ok [23:15] just found that on wiki :) [23:15] yay i wrote 4 lines when i could have just have said it in 1 [23:15] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [23:15] gaurav_ (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [23:15] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.36.12) left irc: "Leaving" [23:16] Nick change: gaurav_ -> Guest38348 [23:16] Should I link with hard or soft links when it comes to dummy the libs in /usr/libs ? [23:17] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-174-54-144-240.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:17] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.193.8.110) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:18] user2438 (n=user4592@99.162.227.97) joined ##slackware. [23:18] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [23:18] paul424, usually soft links. What installer is not creating them for you? [23:19] ehh I just have the software assembled from veeeeery diffrent sources :). [23:20] sp4z (n=sp4z@unaffiliated/sp4z) left irc: "Leaving" [23:20] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-174-54-144-240.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:21] how can I see what lib paths foobar program is looking for ? [23:22] hm, this install is almost going too easy so far [23:22] paul424, if it's a compiled binary, "ldd" on the binary will tell you what it links against [23:23] or readelf -d |grep NEEDED [23:23] Hello-World (n=Hello-Wo@196.202.27.174) joined ##slackware. [23:23] hello :) [23:24] waffle ! [23:24] with syrup...:P [23:24] pancake ! [23:25] Action: andarius slaps fire|bird with his waffle iron [23:25] with sausages...:D [23:25] waffle !! [23:25] ouch, you could've unplugged it first. [23:25] negative, would reduce its effectiveness ;) [23:25] MLanden: s/sausages/sausages + scrambled eggs/ [23:26] fire|bird: true [23:26] maddslacker (n=corey@c-67-190-191-37.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:26] Action: fire|bird slaps andarius with a "perfect pancake" maker. [23:26] http://pastebin.com/d7a9e9751, who could look at this epic fail. I have installed octave from tgz, but why it does for libs in its own directories, which the author of that build should ship, I suppose [23:27] s/why it does / why it does looks for [23:28] if you have to find it first try ldd $(which octave) [23:28] I'm running slack 13 on an ide boot drive with an additional software raid via mdadm. Where is a good place to stick the mdadm --auto-detect command for boot time? [23:28] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:29] paul424: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/academic/octave/ ?? [23:29] i don't get it, does octave not run for you? i've had no issues back when i tried it [23:29] hayaka (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:29] paul424, you installed someone's package, instead of using slackbuilds.org [23:29] it's a self-contained (almost 100%) app [23:30] ooh, "FFTW and HDF5 are optional dependencies; they will be used if found." [23:30] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-174-54-144-240.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:30] looks like it definitely is compiled, though [23:30] doesn't matter, shouldn't be linked if not there. also it is looking fr nvidia and others [23:30] this binary was built against another person's system [23:31] yes I used someone else package. [23:31] Action: andarius points to his link again :) [23:31] yes, it can link against them "just in case" they are there, but not be required to run [23:31] no, those would be runtime and not how up in ldd [23:31] s/how/show [23:32] there are several others not found [23:32] andarius: yes that's nice of you, but I had already problem with this build. [23:32] Action: andarius shakes slackbuilds.org at paul424 [23:32] paul424, the problem is that you probably didn't even try it [23:33] if you didnt build it then therre is a good reason you have a problem [23:33] But please explain to me first why that method failed , so I will not repeat my mistake in future. [23:33] paul424 well you haz problem with binary built for another boxen, ya dig? [23:33] the problem is it was built on a system with libs and other things you don't have [23:33] Action: paul424 laugh [23:33] any takers on my mdadm question? [23:33] not me [23:34] Action: andarius doesnt use it :( [23:34] raid police [23:34] heh [23:34] ok I'll ask it better [23:34] I have a swap file on the software raid [23:34] so [23:34] you mean s'/any takers on my mdadm question?/anyone willing to help me with raid for $750?/ ? [23:34] which script file should I use to activate the raid so it's before fstab runs [23:34] andarius: yes but why they are entries of other libs ... how could they be put into the /usr/bin/octave if not during build, ya dig ? [23:35] mancha, $.75 maybe [23:35] paul424, they aren't "put into," the link against system libraries [23:35] i'll pass. [23:35] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-174-54-144-240.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:35] No, I don;t dig. [23:35] so when your buddy built his octave package, octave found those system goodies, and linked against them as a requirement. when you instlaled the package, it still wants those libraries, but you don't have them [23:35] Does anyone know what the second icon in kde's startup is? the first one lights up, and then kde just hangs, not sure where its log file might be [23:36] thrice`: oh I get that lesson. [23:36] if i click anywhere, my screen goes black [23:36] maduser (n=kevin@pool-74-101-155-76.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:36] fiyawerx, try ~/.xsession-errors [23:36] fiyawerx, I'd look at X stuff, does xfce come up ok? [23:36] ah, cool [23:36] maddslacker, yeah, xfce4 loads perfect [23:36] yeah, check what thrice` said [23:37] hm, there doesn't seem to be one [23:37] what? you're gonna listen to thrice`? :P [23:37] "paul424 well you haz problem with binary built for another boxen, ya dig?" its the best. [23:37] even after kde fails ? [23:37] fiyawerx: its only created if you use kdm. otherwise look at the tty [23:37] yeah it failed 3 times on me, so i did xwmconfig back to xfce, oh [23:38] you're sure it's not just slow, right? [23:38] hmm, well, no - if I don't click, it will just stay there, not sure how long it should take really [23:38] Not very. [23:38] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [23:39] if it's the first time kde runs, maybe 10 seconds or so at most [23:39] fiyawerx, you doing anything extra like dual screens or something? [23:39] oh, yeah this was at least a minute [23:39] maddslacker, nope, fresh install of slack 13, then fglrx [23:39] fiyawerx, also, try root or creating a new user and see if kde staerts there [23:39] will do [23:39] jrt05 (n=jason@pool-72-69-224-228.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:39] fglrc, you're on your own...heh [23:39] aah, try without your fglrx - your xorg.conf may be off [23:39] oh, well, if xfce works [23:39] seriuosly though, try radeon instead for a driver [23:39] fglrx driver is the suck [23:40] if it was the driver would I have problems with xfce as well? [23:40] not necessrily [23:40] glxgears runs perfect fullscreen @1920x1200, havn't tried testing it any other way yet [23:40] KDE has some shiny compositing stuff that fglrx may not like. [23:40] yup [23:40] icaro (n=icaro@unaffiliated/icaro) left irc: "Leaving" [23:40] hm, is there a way to trap the output of the console from startx using kde? > logfile.txt maybe? [23:41] are you booting to runlevel 3 or 4? [23:41] 3 [23:41] ok [23:41] Kidpunkx (n=miguelba@adsl-235-213-125.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: "—I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— 3.1.1 (June '09)" [23:41] seriously, switch the driver to radeon and try it [23:41] ok [23:41] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [23:42] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-174-54-144-240.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:42] it's more involved than switching drivers like that....iirc fglrx replaces system stuffs [23:42] I think the 'ati' driver is more generic. [23:42] redtricycle (n=redtricy@69.104.245.173) joined ##slackware. [23:42] so switching back requires some re-install mojo ya dig? [23:42] use radeon [23:42] maddslacker: he might have one of those newer cards that uses the 'radeonhd' driver [23:42] not sure how else to say it [23:42] perhaps [23:42] but radeon should still sorta work [23:43] better than current, for danity checl [23:43] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-71-183-41-241.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:43] heh [23:43] anyhow, i doubt kde and fglrx don't dance. google this first [23:43] *sanity [23:43] heh mancha-slash-shaft :D [23:43] Nick change: grekkos -> Guest22834 [23:43] I personally had kde fail on fglrx and work fine on radeon on an ati x300 [23:43] kde=big user base; fglrx=big user base [23:44] your point? [23:44] I haven't used fglrx for a while, ATI discontinued support for my card. [23:44] ati == big sucky linux drivers [23:44] And even then, the FOSS driver worked better. [23:44] my point is rather clear i didn't try to do my old subtle cryptic point routine. i start that at 1am [23:45] stay tuned! [23:45] ok [23:45] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:45] don't doubt al lyo uwant, I've observed it [23:45] cool! you da man [23:45] but I have an intel adapter now so life is good...heh [23:45] I hate ati cards [23:45] actually cards are fine, I hate drivers [23:45] we don't do the "i hate $random_crap" stuff on ##slackware until 10am [23:46] it's 10am somewhere [23:46] yeah, cards are great without drivers [23:46] its not 10am anywhere.. [23:46] maybe 10:46 [23:46] Action: paul424 " paul424 well you haz problem with binary built for another boxen, ya dig?", paul424 digs all the time for the living , slackware is the only fun he have :P [23:47] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [23:47] it might be 10 for the noofies [23:47] :D [23:49] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: [23:49] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102141836]" [23:50] antler: nope,believe it's 1:20 am in St. John's....but could be wrong...:P [23:51] mlanden [23:51] you're a graveyard shifter / [23:51] lol [23:52] ? [23:52] you're always up late at night [23:52] if comrad tux calls 900-hotgirlysex, you pick up? [23:53] who,me? [23:53] yes! [23:54] no it wouldn't be me...:D [23:56] hey mancha [23:57] re [23:57] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.26.165) joined ##slackware. [23:57] ferdna (n=ferdna@24.92.112.49) joined ##slackware. [23:57] ^.* what does the ^ do here? [23:57] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.26.165) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:57] in that sed question i had a few hosr ago [23:57] anchors at the start of the line [23:57] hours* [23:58] ah [23:58] what about . ? [23:58] read your book! [23:58] i know that it matches anything, but why do you have .* instead of jsut * [23:58] do you know what a sed * means? [23:59] match everything [23:59] ? [23:59] negatory [23:59] oh [00:00] --- Fri Nov 20 2009