[00:00] dependencies for deamons? [00:00] bash scripts. [00:00] 'rats' is a good one for 'c' [00:00] think rats does other languages too [00:01] :D [00:01] acidchild, I reverted back to original slackware drivers [00:01] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:02] strange thing is the player applications do not give any errors: they just play, but no sound [00:02] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:02] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:02] hing (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [00:02] orginal drivers? just read the readmeeeeeeee ;< [00:02] which readme? [00:03] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:03] http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Alsa-sound-3.html [00:03] >:D [00:04] acidchild, why that readme? [00:04] and what about oss4? [00:04] lol acidchild I get it [00:04] a local band next door is playing metallica ^_^ [00:04] okay well, I meant drivers that come with slackware 13 [00:04] alsa slack 13 original drivers didn't work for me [00:04] i had to compile alsa 1.0.21 [00:05] acidchild, when I tried your drivers, even alsamixer would not work. was that because I had to run alsaconf on them first? [00:05] acidtripper!ç [00:05] yes, maybe [00:05] what sound card you have? [00:05] cryptic0: alsaconf loads the correct driver for your card out of the alsa database. [00:06] ajam [00:06] it also adds lines in to your module.conf file. [00:06] so just alsaconf and then reboot, so you dont have any old modules loaded or conflicting ones. [00:06] and configure alsamixer volume too [00:06] with hda-intel alsa 1.0.18 didn't work for me [00:06] so if I had reinstalled fresh drivers, but hadn't run alsaconf yet, will alsamixer not work? [00:07] all was okey, any error but no sound [00:07] cryptic0: sure. [00:07] =] [00:07] Action: acidchild gets the feeding spoon out [00:07] lol [00:07] bear with me acidchild [00:07] will not work becouse there isn't any sound card configured :D [00:07] the package was mine, not from acidchild [00:07] dang it. why didn't i realize this before. I just went ahead and uninstalled his drivers [00:08] acidchild is my son :P [00:08] HIS HER THEIR MINE YOURS [00:08] lol [00:08] well, I guess I have repeat the process now [00:08] and see if that will bring me joy [00:08] acidtripper: well i guess your got lucky [00:08] :P [00:08] if that package doesn't work just compile alsa [00:09] long time makeing old.config [00:09] to kernel 2.6.31.4 [00:09] making* [00:09] acidtripper, the problem with compiling alsa is there is no way to unisntall it, unless I make a slackbuild, which i have no idea how to go about [00:09] this sofa makes my back hurt =( [00:10] yes there is a way [00:10] make uninstall :P [00:10] in alsa source directory :D [00:10] as you do make install you do make uninstall [00:10] but try package firts [00:10] first [00:11] why are you installing/uninstalling? [00:11] alot of alsa is in the kernel [00:11] btw. [00:11] yes [00:11] I am trying to install acidtripper's alsa package 1.0.21 to see if that will bring my sound back [00:12] i wouldn't touch acidtripper's package [00:12] Schizm (n=schism@cpe-071-071-238-172.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:12] HPV.....its everywhere these days [00:12] lol [00:12] hpv? :S [00:12] human papiloma virus? [00:12] btw acidchild and acidtripper I had rolled this custom kernel from a .config from slackware 12.1 [00:12] can that cause serious problems? [00:13] I fixed the -current icon thing myself, I assume that everyone knows the fix now? [00:13] but before make you have to do make menuconfig and check [00:13] lol [00:13] what your making [00:14] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@216.145.101.109) joined ##slackware. [00:15] battery and proc at full load [00:16] maybe i have to buy a fanpad [00:16] someone using it? [00:16] if anyone is interested... [00:16] sudo update-mime-database /usr/local/share/mime [00:16] sudo update-mime-database /usr/share/mime [00:16] Channel flood from Schizm -- kicking [00:16] [00:16] [00:16] Schizm kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [00:16] Schizm (n=schism@cpe-071-071-238-172.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:16] ok I am outta here :) [00:16] Schizm (n=schism@cpe-071-071-238-172.carolina.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:17] why schizm kicked? [00:17] because jesus hates him [00:17] ja [00:18] would [flood] be a clue? [00:18] apparently not to them. [00:18] doh [00:18] but it wasn't really flood [00:18] yes it was [00:18] sais you. [00:18] yeah, it was [00:18] 4 lines are considered flood? [00:18] hence the kick ? [00:19] I'm up here in silicon valley now [00:19] no, but sometimes you paste without checking [00:19] antiwire: oh nice [00:19] photos antiwire [00:19] you want photos of silicon valley? [00:19] yea [00:19] it looks just like any other industrial park [00:19] lol [00:19] i can post some photos from here too [00:19] :P [00:19] yahoo and WD are right down the street [00:19] :o [00:20] woow :S [00:20] Action: fire|bird points acidtripper to images.google.com, search Silicon Valley. :P [00:20] lol [00:20] i know it, i've been in usa [00:21] haha [00:21] disney specially, los angeles and other places [00:21] but, i have never been to silicon valley [00:21] you're not missing out [00:22] i suppose [00:22] When I think about silicon valley I think about supposedly ground breaking research/industrial development -- but what really is the next big thing in the digital world? [00:22] someone met pat? [00:22] acidtripper: i have [00:22] where? [00:22] and then i woke up [00:22] :( [00:22] linus? [00:23] oh yeah i have too [00:23] in any conference or sthing [00:23] and then you fall from the bed? [00:23] just on tv [00:23] peanuts.. [00:23] I know someone who's drank with him. [00:23] Several someones, in fact :) [00:23] ha [00:24] Rat409 (n=nobody@205.209.95.49) joined ##slackware. [00:24] i saw yngwie malmsteen at a concert!! wooooa [00:24] cool [00:25] i was in the mosh pit [00:25] so i was really close [00:25] a friend of mine is fana of malmsteen he's always bothering with gitar and appeared in some tv programs in my country [00:25] no doubt. very nice [00:25] http://blog.rlworkman.net/2008/01/kde4-release-event.html [00:26] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:26] ion_ (i=ion@diomedes.phear.cc) joined ##slackware. [00:26] doctored photos i tell you!! [00:26] Nick change: ion_ -> retr0 [00:26] pretty cool photo but who's that midget right in the middle ;) [00:26] Only to remove the beer from fred's hand since he was underage ;-) [00:26] smoooth: haha [00:27] look at that bunch of lunatics, all in one room! [00:27] you can tell from the look on the girl's face in the background that a lemon party nearly happened [00:27] Action: antiwire runs [00:28] lol [00:28] haha [00:28] lol [00:28] poor girl.. [00:29] who's yngwie? [00:29] rworkman: is pat the tall thin guy with a baseball cap? [00:29] yep [00:29] it would have been cooler if you were sippin on some 40's instead hehe [00:29] thought so [00:29] reroute: http://www.elalmacendelrock.com/images/MalmsteenPromo.jpg [00:30] http://rlworkman.net/images/brazil/ <-- some pics from our brazil trip [00:32] cool, glad you get some fun rob after all you contribute,all of you certainly deserve it! [00:32] Yeah, we have a little fun here and there :) [00:32] "who's yngwie"? Yngwie fucking Malmsteen that's who. [00:32] lets see if kernel works [00:32] :D [00:32] rebooting [00:32] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [00:33] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:33] rworkman: thanks for showing us the pics :) [00:33] lead guitarist from sweden iirc [00:33] yeah [00:33] but lives in the usa now [00:33] rworkman: Did you stratroll Pat? [00:34] lol [00:34] Or..do you not know what a stratroll is? [00:34] don't anyone click [00:34] straterra: scalloped neck? [00:34] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:35] or *strat with a scalloped neck [00:35] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:35] reroute: that's what yngwie uses [00:35] straterra: absolutely not. :) [00:35] rworkman: you must click once [00:35] http://tinyurl.com/ylgrtn3 [00:35] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: "Leaving" [00:35] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [00:36] worked geat [00:36] BeardedAvenger (n=unx@97-120-132-228.ptld.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [00:36] alan kinda looks like eric s raymond [00:36] deco: fuckin'eh [00:36] calm down [00:36] vomits like falcon heene [00:37] rworkman: You can send that on a postcard to some Ubuntu devs if you want [00:37] rworkman: are you there? [00:37] I give you legal permission to use me [00:37] rworkman, what did you doing at IBM Campinas? [00:37] http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=567 [00:37] straterra: ^ [00:38] acidtripper: I am [00:38] powtrix: we went on a tour there [00:38] and Alan and Eric presented there [00:38] You know you like [00:38] i was taking a look at your packages, in order to add my xfce some goodies [00:41] What did they present? [00:41] BeardedAvenger (n=unx@97-120-132-228.ptld.qwest.net) left irc: [00:41] smoooth: Alan_Hicks did a "Networking 101" (intro) talk, and hrm... maybe Eric didn't present there. Damn, I don't remember :/ [00:42] a pic in htat last set mentioned him presenting slackware installation [00:42] Yeah, I think that was at the university though [00:42] and correction: Alan's talk was on 802.11 [00:43] sQuEE (n=narya@host236.201-252-58.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [00:45] john_dee (n=id@93-81-68-207.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [00:45] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.74.92) joined ##slackware. [00:45] oh man a pizza pic! [00:47] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-148-123.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:48] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-133-88.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [00:52] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:52] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: ""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts."" [00:52] Nick change: phoenix^ -> fire|bird [00:54] Nick change: Guest10123 -> umopepisbn` [00:55] Nick change: umopepisbn` -> umobepisdn` [00:55] Nick change: umobepisdn` -> umopepisdu` [00:56] small name crisis there ? [00:56] guys i know this is off topic but just wondering someone can help with a search line in google that give results from ftp sites only [00:57] yeah [00:57] i used inurl:"ftp" but didn't work [00:57] http://www.google.com/support/websearch/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=136861 [00:58] Nick change: umopepisdu` -> umopepisdn` [00:58] "index of ftp goatpornhere.avi" [00:58] have fun [00:58] DaveMustaine: "+ftp:" and see what happens? [00:58] ty antiwire, but do you know what did you give me or just wasting time? [00:58] index of will do what you want [00:59] DaveMustaine: you think I'm wasting time? [00:59] DaveMustaine: "Google search basics: More search help: [00:59] Use this search quote [00:59] 1. index of ftp/ +mp3, or [00:59] 2. index of ftp/ +divx, or [00:59] Channel flood from reroute -- kicking [00:59] 3. index of ftp/ +”anything you want” (pdf, 3gp, etc) [00:59] reroute kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [00:59] why don't you try index of before you spit more bullshit at someone helping? [00:59] reroute (n=none@S0106001cf0f31c55.wp.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:59] pardon me [01:00] someone bought tshirts in slack store? [01:00] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@70.16.70.118) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [01:00] Action: reroute shakes fist at copy and paste [01:00] size L is a huge large or.. [01:02] :P [01:02] i'll support but with a tshirt a plush penguin and some stickers [01:02] pat* [01:04] slack works with udev? couse i added this line to my grub devfs=nomount [01:09] I was under the impression that udev has been standard for several releases now [01:10] indeed [01:10] shadowx (n=7350@93.183.131.3) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [01:10] stickyboy (n=hugo@41.204.190.12) joined ##slackware. [01:10] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:11] sarkoman (n=sakoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:11] Intel[R]VT-x (n=chatzill@124.43.157.6) joined ##slackware. [01:12] sarkoman (n=sakoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) joined ##slackware. [01:12] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:16] Action: Intel[R]VT-x is still reading the tlpd.org [01:16] * tldp.org [01:18] good reading for anybody [01:21] andarius: me, name crisis? nah, I just got on irc on the laptop. I'm going to give OpenBSD a try on a spare drive on the Desktop. P [01:21] yuh 4.6 is out [01:22] _MaggoT_ (n=maggot@125.161.213.23) joined ##slackware. [01:24] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:26] Rat409: yeah, I tried it in a VM yesterday, it wouldn't even install, so I'm going to try on some real hardware and hope for better luck. [01:26] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [01:27] kiyoura (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:28] kiyoura (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[01:50] ##slackware: mode change '-b metbsd*!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [01:50] wubbster (n=wubbster@24.206.157.137) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:51] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [01:54] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [01:54] murmlos_ (i=mrmlz@hhcrew.net) joined ##slackware. [01:54] murmlos (i=mrmlz@hhcrew.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:54] <_MaggoT_> You need gcc >= 4.4 to build Wine as 64-bit. [01:55] dogsoul (i=doggy@root.slackbox.org) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [01:55] dogsoul (i=doggy@root.slackbox.org) joined ##slackware. [01:57] pireau (i=1000@208.92.18.96) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:58] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: "[BX] Occifer, I'm not as think as you stoned I am!" [01:58] <_MaggoT_> where can find that gcc??because i look at slackbuild.org still 4.3.4 version [01:59] Use the slackbuild, but with a newer source [02:00] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.74.92) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:01] dogsoul (i=doggy@root.slackbox.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:01] dogsoul (i=doggy@root.slackbox.org) joined ##slackware. [02:01] <_MaggoT_> ok [02:01] <_MaggoT_> thx Motoko-chan [02:02] If it doesn't work and you don't know what you are doing, then stop and be patient. [02:02] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:03] <_MaggoT_> :) [02:06] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [02:06] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [02:10] 4.4.2 is out, but 4.4.1 is in -current/testing/ [02:15] Rat409: I got OpenBSD installed on the Desktop spare drive now. I'm just installing xfce. [02:15] So, I guess I just had bad luck with the VM yesterday. [02:16] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:16] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:17] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@98.116.202.61) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [02:20] slackytude (n=icke@79.216.147.126) joined ##slackware. [02:23] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [02:23] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@173-16-206-87.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [02:23] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:24] hey guess what! [02:25] hey nix_chix0r [02:25] my slack dvd torrent finally finished [02:25] no moar vistaa! [02:25] how about "guess who" instead? [02:25] cool' [02:25] yeah only took 3 days lol [02:26] rm -rf Vista \o/ [02:26] whts a good iso burner for windows [02:26] i always forget what i used [02:27] cpunches (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:27] good ISO burner for Windows: vmware -> linux -> cdrecord [02:27] :) [02:27] hurr [02:27] lol [02:27] nix_chix0r: ultraiso, imgburn [02:27] i thought it was imgburn [02:27] so installed that new hard drive; as soon as i do, my gfx card burns out :P [02:27] oops [02:27] <-- dartmouth [02:32] <_MaggoT_> nix_chix0r, : use nero that also easy [02:33] yeah _MaggoT_ i just grabbed imgburn [02:33] being a toatl pirate right now [02:33] my brothers internet is hella fast so i got zombieland! [02:33] morning [02:33] <_MaggoT_> last i go download my slackware took 1 day :p [02:34] yeah at home i have satellite internet and it's very slow and has a bandwidth limit so i go to my brothers to leech off his [02:34] <_MaggoT_> but now my connection drop to 128kb because my quota already finish [02:34] in the last few weeks i have become a seriously hard-core fsf project person. [02:34] i've been playing so much left 4 dead lately i'm going to turn into a zombie [02:34] ienh (n=ienh@ARennes-257-1-99-238.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:34] <_MaggoT_> lol [02:35] daedra (n=daedra@75-128-41-61.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:35] i've started dreaming about kernels now. [02:35] Nick change: daedra -> Guest90420 [02:35] lol at work all the time i'm typing "ls" and clear and other commands and it messes me all up [02:35] <_MaggoT_> lol [02:36] Guest90420 (n=daedra@75-128-41-61.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [02:36] Guest90420 (n=daedra@75-128-41-61.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:36] o fire|bird , they are going to bulid a new office that will fit all of us and we won't need a night shift because every one would have their own office and work days [02:36] awesome. [02:37] Nick change: Guest90420 -> daedra_ [02:37] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.74.92) joined ##slackware. [02:37] daedra_ (n=daedra@75-128-41-61.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [02:37] well, we have work at home options - does that help? [02:37] retsudo (n=retsudo@76.174.219.13) joined ##slackware. [02:38] why do people snort pills instead of swallowing htem [02:38] are you that much in a hurry cripe [02:38] hah [02:38] snorting pills ? [02:38] some people just _have_ to be different [02:38] crush the pills, and cut lines [02:39] ... as in, crushing them into powder and then snorting like cocaine ? [02:39] daedra__ (n=daedra@75-128-41-61.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:39] aha [02:39] alisonken1noc: you could work from home, but you still go to the noc? [02:39] i'll take an 8-ball of crushed tylenol please [02:39] of course, it could be that they snort because that's what they're used to [02:39] kde is treating me badly [02:39] again [02:39] chopp: I usually go to the noc since I end up replacing drives and punching servers :) [02:40] that's what kde does best. [02:40] john_dee (n=id@93-81-68-207.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [02:40] alisonken1noc: yup, I totaly understand. [02:40] besides, if I was at home, I'd have to be quiet so the wife/kid could sleep [02:41] my friend crushed up a valium and snorted it [02:44] and I'd be tempted to keep her awake ;) [02:45] give it to her muwhaha [02:45] some people used to mix that with alcohol to try and induce that permanent slumber [02:45] i am probally in the dog house [02:45] hubby is upset [02:45] well, I'm usually in the doghouse anyway [02:45] so what's got hubby in a bind tonight? [02:45] well i was bored and my back was hurting so i snorted one too lol [02:45] and it didn't do shit [02:46] hmmm [02:46] it was stupid but [02:46] there's other ways to help with back pain that don't involve whips and chains [02:46] lol [02:46] yeah he popped my back earlier which helped tremendously [02:46] valium is better absorbed through the stomach [02:46] like all benzo's [02:46] i may have a bulged disc or something [02:47] lie on your belly and prop your upper body up on your elbows (arching backwards). do this for 10 minutes [02:48] anything to avoid a fusion of my spine is most appreciated [02:48] defintely don't fuse two vertebrae together, it doesn't fix anything...merely moves the problem to another disc [02:49] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:50] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.2.33) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:50] kairos (n=kairos@unaffiliated/kairos) left irc: "Leaving" [02:51] most humanoids have lower back issues. you see, we're not designed to walk upright [02:51] yeah lower back is where its at.. its killing me for the past 4 years [02:51] and my doctore just gives me muscle relaxers and they do nothing for me [02:51] <_MaggoT_> at slackware got some command like this apt-get ? [02:51] sarkoman (n=sakoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:52] maggot, not really, if you want debian go with debian [02:52] <_MaggoT_> just ask :p [02:52] slackware package mgmt is a lot more hands on, there is slapt-get but buyer beware [02:52] sarkoman (n=sakoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) joined ##slackware. [02:52] <_MaggoT_> im newbie but i like my slackware :p [02:52] Slackbuilds.org read the HOW-TO [02:52] simple [02:53] maggot, slackware expects you to do your dependency tracking. the standard tools are installpkg, upgradepkg, removepkg, makepkg [02:53] _MaggoT_: using slackbuilds is probably the closest thing to automated software install for slackware [02:53] _MaggoT_: visit http://www.slackbuilds.org and read the information there [02:53] maggot, it can seem a bit more laborious than the automatic distribs, but in the long run you can learn to streamline and you won't have the system do something you didn't want it to [02:54] i bet the slackbook has a section on software installation [02:54] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [02:55] greetings [02:55] yo again [02:56] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.74.92) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:56] maggot, you can try reading this (http://www.slackbook.org/) many people here swear by it. it's a bit dated but still relevant. the author keeps threatening a new version but so far vaporware :) [02:56] remote (n=remote@unaffiliated/remote) joined ##slackware. [02:57] well, not "vaporware", but close [02:57] yeah [02:57] Alan_Hicks: wink wink nudge nudge [02:57] night all [02:57] Rat409 (n=nobody@205.209.95.49) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [02:59] arronstoned (n=RahmboDe@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:59] aigon (n=ojof@92.84.1.211) joined ##slackware. [02:59] arronstoned (n=RahmboDe@70.44.195.123) joined ##slackware. [03:00] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@173-16-206-87.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:01] retsudo (n=retsudo@76.174.219.13) left irc: "Leaving" [03:06] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4a/BBC_Goatse.cx_Alternative_Olympic_logo.png [03:06] hahahahahahahah [03:06] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [03:06] jeev: ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooold news. [03:06] i just noticed [03:06] 2007 [03:06] ;( [03:06] from 2007 no less [03:07] what? aren't we still in 2007 ? [03:07] also, probably NSFW, and hence keep that stuff to ##slackofftopic [03:07] how is that NSFW [03:07] i said probably, it'd different from workplace to workplace, person to person [03:08] hello_mot0 (n=hello_mo@122.162.89.34) joined ##slackware. [03:08] I dont want xchat log to be saved [03:08] spook, thats a stupid argument, workplace to workplace, person to person.. a lot of things aren't ok. like minor cursing [03:08] like "damn" [03:09] possible to install beryl? [03:09] hello_mot0: yes. [03:09] beryl packages still available [03:09] hello_mot0: theres compiz-fusion on slackbuilds.org [03:09] do you have any guide [03:09] ok [03:09] I can't troubleshoot dependencies myself [03:10] will you be here? [03:10] theres a perfectly good build order listed in the package's README [03:10] http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=compiz&sv=13.0 [03:10] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [03:10] no results found [03:11] its available for 12.2 [03:11] should I use them? [03:11] good question. [03:11] whats the good answer? [03:12] hello_mot0 (n=hello_mo@122.162.89.34) left irc: Client Quit [03:12] i dont know, gimme 2 minutes while i look something up [03:12] hello_mot0 (n=hello_mo@122.162.89.34) joined ##slackware. [03:12] look up something, or look up the question? [03:12] http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-12.0/desktop/compiz-fusion/0.7.4/ [03:12] I found this [03:12] possible to install directly from the link? [03:14] look up something. [03:14] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.31.71) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:14] hello_mot0: are you running slackware 12.0? [03:14] hello_mot0: no. definately do not try to isntall that package [03:14] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-133-17.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [03:15] 13.0.0.0 [03:15] which package spook? [03:15] compiz is there by default in slackware [03:15] what to do? [03:16] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-52-147.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:16] yeah all the compiz packages on slackbuilds.org were removed because they are unmaintained. [03:16] hello_mot0: slaky.eu is not default slackware repository. and no, compiz is not default in slackware last I checked [03:16] pkgtool [03:17] remove [03:17] hello_mot0: using kde4, settings manager-> desktop, enable desktop effects [03:17] I can see compiz there [03:17] I see kde4 desktop effects, but not compiz [03:17] desktop effects is enabled [03:17] now how to see the effects? [03:17] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:17] hello_mot0: the tabs in that screen... [03:18] go to "show all effects" tab and enable the effects you want to see [03:18] ok [03:18] so no need to install compiz? [03:19] can't see any effects talking place [03:19] taking [03:19] war, whoa, good god, what is it good for? [03:19] what effects are you trying to enable [03:19] ... [03:19] hello_mot0: click apply. [03:19] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [03:19] something great like fire burning in beryl [03:19] spook: classic song [03:20] falling snow [03:20] snow isn't falling [03:20] Action: The-Croupier wonders why do ppl need effects that are useless apart from showing off :( [03:20] falling snow has options - check to see what options they are (as far as timing, or screensaver only mode, etc.) [03:20] ok [03:20] no burning effects like beryl? [03:20] showinh off isnt useless [03:20] The-Croupier: transparency is sometimes useful to me. [03:21] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [03:21] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [03:21] yes I am showing off [03:21] exactly [03:21] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: SendQ exceeded [03:21] any distro whch has beryl [03:21] sabayon comes with compiz [03:21] compiz stuff is on sbo [03:21] for version 12.2 [03:21] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [03:22] works for 13 as well [03:22] y0 slackytude [03:22] works better than the kde4 eye candy? [03:22] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:22] meta + ctrl +f4 [03:22] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: SendQ exceeded [03:22] what key comobo is this? [03:22] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [03:22] try meta = alt [03:22] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-60-119-54.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:22] alisonken1noc: apparently it does. [03:23] ok [03:23] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: SendQ exceeded [03:23] may have to give it a try - kde4 seems to drive my cpu up on the laptop [03:23] hello_mot0 (n=hello_mo@122.162.89.34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:23] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [03:24] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Client Quit [03:24] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [03:25] hello_mot0 (n=hello_mo@122.162.89.34) joined ##slackware. [03:25] I got lost with alt + ctrl + f4 [03:25] do I have clone here? [03:25] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:26] no [03:26] hello_mot0: /names [03:26] meta ctrl fx are virtual consoles shortcuts [03:27] zmyrgel (n=zmyrgel@hoasnet-fe22dd00-59.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:28] WOW [03:28] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [03:28] got the snow efefcts [03:29] can I add more eye candy effects from third party? [03:29] congratulations. [03:29] Thanks [03:29] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.31.71) joined ##slackware. [03:29] that was what is common refered to as sarcasm. [03:30] ? ? ? [03:30] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [03:30] if my card hadn't supported the effects, would compiz effects have been ebaled by default? [03:31] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Client Quit [03:31] if your card does not have accelerated drivers, then "enable effects" would not have been enableable [03:31] IOW, no [03:31] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [03:32] ok alisonken1hom2 [03:32] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.31.71) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:32] Thanks [03:32] slackware is my favourite distro after freebsd [03:32] hello_mot0: no, seriously? [03:32] freebsd is a distro now? [03:33] I mean os [03:33] Dominus (i=default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [03:33] SuN (i=default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:33] Nick change: Dominus -> Guest92749 [03:33] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.31.71) joined ##slackware. [03:34] moo [03:34] I wanna install bery now [03:34] super-moo [03:35] oink [03:35] oinkonk and super-moo-moo phoenix^, alisonken1noc :) [03:36] :) [03:37] strankan (n=user@c-86cf70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [03:37] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.31.71) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:38] john_dee (n=id@93-81-137-84.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:38] Emerald is also installed by default? [03:38] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.31.71) joined ##slackware. [03:39] emerald is a theme for compiz - check which packages are part of kde4 [03:39] no, emerald is not in slackware [03:39] this is like pulling teeth [03:39] pulling teeth are nicer [03:39] do I need to install it? [03:40] you tell us? do you? It's not a matter of need, but if you want it. Also, if you're using kde4 effects, don't. kde4 effects != compiz [03:40] fire|bird, here? [03:41] I can't hear sound [03:41] john_dee: yeah. :P This is fire|bird. [03:41] can see sound option [03:42] Reav_1 (n=Reav_1@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [03:42] phoenix^, oh :) you said you didn't try 64bit flash player, did you? that thing with no sound in gsb [03:42] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.31.71) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:43] john_dee: No, I haven't. I removed gsb, pulseaudio was just a pain in the rear to deal with. Did you give it a try at all? [03:43] Action: Camarade_Tux blames pulseaudio [03:43] ^^ [03:43] Camarade_Tux: ++++ [03:43] y0 peoples [03:43] y0 slackytude [03:43] yoyo slackytude [03:43] how goes? [03:43] heya [03:43] its monday morning [03:43] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.31.71) joined ##slackware. [03:43] it sucks [03:44] ^^ [03:44] how about you? [03:44] slackytude: You see the Opera Labs snapshot release. Opera widgets can run independent of the browser now. [03:44] phoenix^, going to try now. there are two links to flash player binary on slackbuilds. one for x64, but i couldn't find it on abobe's site [03:44] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-52-147.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:44] john_dee: I just used the slackbuild for it in extra/ [03:44] for flash [03:45] it's in extra for slackware64? [03:45] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.129.138) joined ##slackware. [03:45] john_dee: On 32bit, the only thing that sound in flash worked with was Epiphany. [03:46] Camarade_Tux: yes, a slackbuild that gets flash and makes a package. [03:46] phoenix^: oh, only in extra/source/, ok [03:47] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-13.0/extra/flashplayer-plugin/ ;) [03:47] eek, is that the thing that makes a quad-core behave like a rusty 386? [03:47] well, since it's not threaded :P [03:47] which makes me wonder, has anyone built gnash lately? [03:48] (or at least not taking advantage of multi-core ;p ) [03:48] mancha: not lately, only a few months ago and it wasn't that [03:48] bad [03:48] Action: Camarade_Tux sleepy [03:48] did it work on the major flash sites? [03:48] and was it betterat not hogging than adobe? [03:48] ha. yeah. linux scales to 1024 cpus now. ye, but does it play full screen flash without lags? no, but who uses that?! [03:48] ah, I remember now, video worked but I had no sound [03:49] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [03:49] phoenix^: uhhh thats nifty [03:49] so they all looked like chaplin movies? [03:49] john_dee: but that mostly refer to other distributions where flash was *terrible* for *everybody* [03:49] mancha: lol :P [03:49] <_MaggoT_> hi Camarade_Tux :) [03:49] Camarade_Tux, it's terrible even in windows, so.. :) [03:49] slackytude: yeah, really nice. It puts an entry into the menu (i.e. xfce's menu) to each widget you install, you can then start it from there, even if opera isn't running. [03:50] i really hope something open replaces flash soon [03:50] john_dee: yeah ;-) [03:50] mancha: ++ [03:50] there's gotta be better [03:50] mancha: ++ [03:50] phoenix^: thats cool. bit like mozzila prism [03:50] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.31.71) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:50] slackytude: yeah [03:50] phoenix^: altho I never found the opera widgets to be useful [03:50] but on slackware it's ok, on ubuntu and friends, it kept on crashing (64bit was purely unusable), perf sucked down the line (maybe because of compiz).... [03:51] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.31.71) joined ##slackware. [03:51] slackytude: There is alot of them though. I had a clock, calendar, etc. on the desktop the other day. [03:51] Action: Camarade_Tux shoots phoenix^ [03:51] for your own good :) [03:51] morning slackers... **mondays** [03:51] <_MaggoT_> good afternoon rogersman [03:52] Action: phoenix^ hipnotizes Camarade_Tux and makes him quack like a duck and waddle around the room. [03:53] phoenix^: haha, that doesn't work, I don't have my glasses on and I can't see anything :) [03:53] @_MAggoT_ its bloody morning for me boyo [03:53] Camarade_Tux: So that's why you're running into things. :P [03:53] haha :P [03:53] <_MaggoT_> :p [03:53] Action: Camarade_Tux is trying to code a few things [03:54] while read a; echo $a >> a; done [03:54] btw, gobject-introspection sucks -_- [03:54] more than pulseaudio -_- [03:55] nothing's worse than pulseaudio. :P [03:55] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [03:55] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-133-17.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:56] Camarade_Tux, might be better with a synthisizer chip like on the Apple IIGS ;) [03:56] phoenix^: wanna see thousands of lines of undocumented and inconsistent xml you have to read by yourself in order to fix all the errors? [03:56] Camarade_Tux: ok, ok, ok, it's worse than pulseaudio. :P [03:56] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." [03:56] Nick change: phoenix^ -> fire|bird [03:57] noooo, stay with us ='( [03:57] lol [03:58] I won't be online much longer, it's 02:56 [03:58] he, you were leaving at 4am before :P [03:58] I'm showing 0100 [03:58] lol [03:58] 10am? :D [03:59] alisonken1noc: Hmm, maybe I'm off a bit again. I'll check. [03:59] Camarade_Tux: you're 24-12 hr conversion off a little? :) [03:59] Fieldy (n=what@gentoo/contributor/Fieldy) left ##slackware. [03:59] 19 Oct 02:59:49 ntpdate[4127]: step time server 64.6.144.6 offset 93.204567 sec [04:00] alisonken1noc: 10am _here_ ;) [04:00] yeah, I was off a bit. :P [04:00] Camarade_Tux: gotcha [04:00] hehe :P [04:00] <_MaggoT_> configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in . ./.. ./../.. [04:00] 19 Oct 01:00:40 ntpdate[17979]: step time server 208.113.193.10 offset -81.809572 sec [04:00] <_MaggoT_> what must i do if like this [04:01] ok, I was a few minutes off as well :) [04:01] haha [04:01] <_MaggoT_> im going to install gcc [04:01] _MaggoT_: sounds like a proper slackware package was not created [04:01] yeah, *I* was the only one not off :P [04:01] hah - you're rocker may be a little off :) [04:01] Camarade_Tux: you're always off......err, that's right, we're talking about time. [04:01] fire|bird: hahaha :P [04:01] fire|bird: now come on, I have to punish you for that -_- [04:02] :( [04:02] fire|bird, seems to work. though, it's on slack64 and i used slackbuild from sbo [04:02] thought you enjoyed :D [04:02] punish _MaggoT_ instead Camarade_Tux [04:02] ^^ [04:02] <_MaggoT_> lol [04:02] john_dee: Hmm, ok. Thanks for checking that out. [04:02] what for? complaining about configure with a partial install *and* not posting his config.log? =) [04:03] Camarade_Tux: YES!!! [04:03] I also used the slackbuild from sbo for flash 64, didn't know there was one hidden in extra/ [04:03] Action: Camarade_Tux punishes _MaggoT_ [04:03] \o/ [04:03] Action: fire|bird watches the _MaggoT_ squirm in pain. :P [04:04] fire|bird, np. and it doesn't lag in fullscreen. lol [04:04] haha [04:04] Anyway, time to hit the skies (ya know, fly on outta here) :P. Take care everyone. [04:05] night fire|bird [04:05] and now the next episode of kernel-foo :) [04:05] fire|bird, gl [04:05] see ya Camarade_Tux [04:05] bye john_dee [04:05] *poof* [04:05] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [04:06] hello_mot0 (n=hello_mo@122.162.89.34) left irc: "Leaving" [04:07] hiya fire|bird [04:07] sarkoman (n=sakoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:07] <_MaggoT_> im going to install wine on my slackware [04:07] <_MaggoT_> then when configure got this error [04:07] <_MaggoT_> http://pastebin.com/m3fababc4 [04:07] sarkoman (n=sakoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) joined ##slackware. [04:07] <_MaggoT_> after that i go download the source from slackbuild.org http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/development/avr-gcc/ [04:07] no no no ! [04:08] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [04:08] <_MaggoT_> :( [04:08] _MaggoT_: run 'ls /var/log/packages/gcc-4*" [04:08] _MaggoT_, it was a bad idea to want to use wine on slack 64 :) [04:09] _MaggoT_: the answer is simple, let's try again [04:09] "configure: error: You need gcc >= 4.4 to build Wine as 64-bit." [04:09] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429608.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:09] _MaggoT_: win64 only run 64bit apps [04:09] Action: slava_dp is using slack-32 :) [04:10] _MaggoT_, get virtualbox. [04:10] _MaggoT_: if you want to run games, use wine32, not wine64, wine(32) works on slackware64, the 32/64 in wine only refers to the application you'll be able to run (or not) [04:11] so, unless you're trying to run a win64 app, use http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/wine/ [04:11] <_MaggoT_> ok i will go read again n try thx Camarade_Tux n slava_dp :) [04:13] _MaggoT_, seriously, sbopkg -i wine, what can be simpler? [04:13] _MaggoT_, http://sbopkg.org [04:14] Zordrak_ (n=jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:14] thef?? [04:15] hey Zordrak_ :) [04:15] Zordrak_: yes my dear? [04:15] Reav_1 (n=Reav_1@212.88.117.162) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:15] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [04:15] i managed to attach to my screen precisely as i had just dropped out of freenode [04:16] Zordrak (n=jaz@unaffiliated/zordrak) left irc: Nick collision from services. [04:16] Reav_1 (n=Reav_1@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [04:16] Zordrak (n=jaz@unaffiliated/zordrak) joined ##slackware. [04:16] droog (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) left irc: "leaving" [04:16] O_o [04:16] W T F [04:16] y0 Zordrak_ , slava_dp [04:16] slava_dp: did you do your upgrade? [04:16] y0 slackytude =) [04:18] ?! [04:18] how in hell do i have two sessions running? [04:18] heh [04:18] slackytude, nope :) i'm doing a reinstall, actually. but for now i'm busy with other things, so the machine stays unconfigured. [04:18] made a new screen instance? [04:18] slava_dp: aha! [04:18] Zordrak_ (n=jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [04:18] Action: slava_dp waves to Zordrak and Zordrak_ [04:18] bimbo (n=oso@200.66.17.49) joined ##slackware. [04:18] damn, too late [04:19] slava_dp: I was waiting for you to test out the upgrade process [04:19] sigh... [04:19] slava_dp: but I'll do a fresh install as well I think [04:19] hello, is there a list where I can see what packages contains each installation cd? [04:19] slackytude, i just copied /etc /root and /home and mkfs'd it all. want to try lvm on it (never did lvm before). [04:19] the packages dont contain the cd, the cd contains packages [04:20] woo for -current [04:20] (not that im using it anymore) [04:20] slava_dp: yeah, SOP [04:20] slava_dp: altho /home is a different partition for me [04:20] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:21] sarkoman (n=sakoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:21] Zordrak, why do you not use -current anymore? [04:21] sarkoman (n=sakoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) joined ##slackware. [04:22] should i mrproper or prepare slackware/k package or can i just config and build it? [04:22] slava_dp: i cant be sure it's stable enough to run in production. I went to -current for KDE4 as i knew it was stable enough to run at the time [04:22] Zordrak: kde4 sucks [04:22] john_dee: make also makes prepare [04:22] not ready for production [04:22] >.< [04:22] iirc [04:22] and no need to mrproper [04:23] Camarade_Tux, but what does it do? [04:23] bimbo (n=oso@200.66.17.49) left irc: Client Quit [04:23] slackytude: it increased my productivity and crashes less than XP ever did.. id consider that production ready... and apparantly Pat agrees [04:23] Zordrak: lucky you. I found the kde annoyances to just pile up [04:24] Zordrak: Im still using it now but Ill switch over to xfce again [04:24] well, depends on the annoyances to me :) [04:24] droog (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) joined ##slackware. [04:24] slackytude: i set it up how i wanted it and havent changed the config sinc [04:24] i just /use/ it [04:24] lucky you [04:25] Just today, kde showed me a black screen when I went back from hibernation. had to kill it and startx again and now the clock and date in the taskbar moved to the left and I cant move it back [04:25] stuff like that [04:25] never happened to me.. but then i never turn the machine off [04:25] well, I usually use hibernation [04:25] wow, this channel is like back to normal when only good tagged people are speaking. [04:26] uptime is 9 days now [04:26] but I did a reboot when I updated kde packages [04:26] spook: give it time :) [04:27] Zordrak: until they come out of the woodworks? [04:27] they will [04:27] spook: am I included? =) [04:27] Camarade_Tux: surprisingly yes [04:27] hm.. surprisingly only 20 days on this machine [04:27] hahaha, I'm the first one surprised :P [04:28] 75 days on all the servers (last power cut) [04:28] 16:28:03 up 269 days, 1:31, 8 users, load average: 0.07, 0.08, 0.03 [04:28] 4 days here, laptop [04:28] my uptimes would be better if i had reliable power sources [04:28] I'd love a "shutdown" command like windows', you can reboot computers remotely without really having the appropriate rights >< [04:29] i have underground power. [04:29] vmhobbes (n=c@112.201.1.212) left irc: "later." [04:29] Camarade_Tux: I wouldnt like that [04:29] Camarade_Tux: in linux you only really need power group [04:29] spook: theres a substation that powers like 10 blocks in the basement [04:29] Camarade_Tux: Or add everyone to sudoers for /sbin/shutdown? :) [04:30] but the feed *it* gets browns out once a month or so [04:30] Zordrak: isnt being closer to the substation a bad thing? [04:30] Well it *was [04:30] brown outs are bad [04:30] cause we were averaging 252V (230V is normal) [04:30] mmmkay? [04:30] but i finally got them to tap it down so now we're on a reasonably stable 240V [04:32] cool [04:32] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:33] and the UK used to be 240 till we dropped to 230 to standardise with europe so everythings cool with 240 anyways [04:33] spook: but in linux you need to log-in too, not on windows [04:33] Camarade_Tux: huh? 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[04:43] hahaha :P [04:43] aigon (n=ojof@92.84.1.211) left irc: "Leaving" [04:45] Camarade_Tux: how did you come accross e17.org in the first place? :o [04:46] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:48] Action: The-Croupier hates it when its sooo quiet in the channel... [04:48] are there no matters to attend?! [04:49] fuck you firefox, fuck you! [04:49] [04:49] _MaggoT_ (n=maggot@125.161.213.23) left irc: "Leaving" [04:49] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [04:49] The-Croupier: I was too lazy to type "enlightnement.org" so I went for e17.org ;) [04:51] hmmm, I getting lots of phone calls from unknown numbers these days [04:51] sorry, my bad [04:52] vats (n=vats@122.174.88.30) joined ##slackware. [04:52] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [04:52] this might sound like a strange question, but before i go out and buy any USB sticks (i ran out / people never gave 'em back) are there any in particular that work well with Linux or any companies that actually made a decent effort to put Linux-friendly features on their stuff? (probably not but i'm just asking) [04:53] emeau_ (n=emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-104-155.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:53] there definitely is a difference [04:53] but ive never seen a tabular comparison [04:54] u can only say that i work with Kingston DataTraveller DT100 sticks and they are very good value for money and have no linux compatibility issues [04:54] TwinReverb: I've had good luck with OCZ myself. [04:54] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:55] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:55] i think the simple answer is go for a mfr with a known reputation for quality [04:55] like kingston [04:56] zackly [04:56] remote (n=remote@unaffiliated/remote) left irc: "Changing server" [04:56] remote (n=remote@modemcable092.81-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [04:56] id prolly go for corsair if i had the money for it [04:57] danix (n=dany@79.39.100.33) joined ##slackware. [04:57] they have some awesome sticks [04:57] Nick change: remote -> Guest89538 [04:57] 128G and fastest on the market IIRC [04:57] danix (n=dany@79.39.100.33) left irc: Client Quit [04:57] but mucho dinero [04:57] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [04:57] Nick change: Guest89538 -> remote [04:57] I've used kingston also for many years, but I find the ocz built more durable. [04:58] Nick change: emeau_ -> Emeau-cat [04:58] http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/10/17/review_storage_fast_usb_flash_drives/ [04:58] well i doubt i'll be transferring ISOs over USB stick [04:58] they dont come mucgh more up to date than that :) [04:58] at that point they either have Linux or they can use torrent [04:59] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [04:59] or have ssh [04:59] or something i can burn it to etc ad nauseum [04:59] sporten29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [04:59] kinell [05:00] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-53-226.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:00] the 8GB DT100 is down to £10.39 on Amazon [05:00] shiat! [05:00] there's a 3 pack of 4gb for like $20 now, my friend has had good luck with 'em [05:00] £7.39 on amavon actually! [05:02] thanx [05:02] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [05:03] newbieslacker (n=luis@190.225.149.64) joined ##slackware. [05:03] vats (n=vats@122.174.88.30) left ##slackware. [05:05] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-130-232.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [05:07] strankan (n=user@c-86cf70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:07] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.129.138) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:07] mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm coffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffee [05:07] Hi Zordrak .i need a cofee too [05:07] Action: remote puts his pants on [05:07] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.133.132) joined ##slackware. [05:08] Action: remote removes his pants... [05:08] that's why I have coffee pot next to the office [05:08] remote: MY EYES!!!!!!! AIEEEEEE! [05:08] Action: remote puts his pants back on [05:08] XD [05:08] or should it be "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA"? [05:08] very funny [05:08] alisonken1noc: too much caffeine will make you crazy [05:08] ha ha ha [05:08] :P [05:09] newbieslacker: don't know - my wife cut me back to 2 pots a day after we got married [05:09] hahaha [05:09] bad breath? [05:10] nah - she thinks in terms of "healthy living" on some things [05:10] ohh [05:10] sarkoman (n=sakoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:11] strankan (n=user@c-86cf70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [05:11] healthy: adj. 1. A person who chooses not to get between Zordrak and his French Roast [05:11] sarkoman (n=sakoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) joined ##slackware. [05:11] hmmmmm, food [05:13] hmmmmmm - coffee [05:14] mmmm beer [05:14] alisonken1noc: notice how your wife waited for you two to be married before cutting you on the coffee -_- [05:14] yep :) [05:14] i know how to change mac address, spoof ip...etc in linux...(apart from other stuff) is there any tool that any of you guys might have used for windows? (if any uses windows)... looks like it lacks on alot of stuff and that is one of them (security) [05:14] she also waited until I was retired before we got married [05:14] The-Croupier: I think the device manager can do that [05:14] (to some extent) [05:14] or if it's a broadcomm, you can maybe change it for good from linux :D [05:14] you can change the mac address in windows NT [05:15] talking about xp here... :( [05:15] same shit different fan [05:15] Action: The-Croupier apologises for the offtopic question [05:15] newbieslacker (n=luis@190.225.149.64) left ##slackware. [05:16] also, what is that called (as in terminology) when you apear to be in different country from the one you actually are? [05:16] im pretty sure you can hack the mac from the registry [05:16] The-Croupier: an immigrant [05:16] spoofing? surviving? [05:16] remote: ;) lol [05:16] no it's true [05:16] The-Croupier: fail [05:16] (about different country) [05:17] http://lmgtfy.com/?=windows+mac+address+registry [05:17] alisonken1noc: thanks [05:17] or you can call that connecting through a host that's in another country to connect back to the country you are and from which you connected to another country to secure a bit of anonymity [05:17] The-Croupier: np (I guess :) ) [05:18] Emeau-cat (n=emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-104-155.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Nick collision from services. [05:18] Emeau-cat (n=emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-104-155.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[05:20] remote: habbit or hobbit? :) [05:20] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-130-232.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:20] remote: you shouldnt be using the word hacking when you mean cracking [05:20] hacking is good. cracking is bad [05:20] im not doing either [05:20] lies [05:20] its my computer...just checking if it can do anything or not [05:21] we know what you did last summer [05:21] The-Croupier: you are.. youre hacking the reg to change the mac :) [05:21] and i just dont want to be so plain online..(just dont like it..nothing wrong with that)....i suppose [05:21] it can't do anything i can confirm you that [05:21] remote: well, i have to check [05:21] no no [05:21] it can't do anything [05:21] that means there are things it cannot do [05:21] Zordrak: i am editing the reg to change the mac...;) [05:22] i'm positive [05:22] but there's a nice gui to change the mac in windows xp ! [05:22] hacker! 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[05:24] Zordrak: thanks for the registry tip ;) looks like i forgot about that little part of the pc ;) [05:25] Action: Zordrak has a warm fuzzy morphine-like coffee high going on [05:25] easy to do - especially when you want to :) [05:25] (registry hacks) [05:25] alisonken1noc: looks like it ;) [05:25] The registry is 99% of the reason windows blows [05:25] right, done one part...need to change the ip-destination next ;) [05:26] I consider windows a plague, and the registry the bug that spreads it [05:27] its a badly implemented database that gets clogged and becomes ineffirient really easily while at the same time being nothing more than a deliberately obfuscated version of linux /etc and /dev [05:27] *inefficient [05:27] and /proc [05:28] john_dee (n=id@93-81-137-84.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [05:28] if the windows registry were replaced by a logical file structure with sensibly laid out config files it would instantly become more responsive and easier to handle [05:28] and I liked your first interpretation better :) [05:29] alisonken1noc: i was thinking about proc.. but it doesnt quite translate [05:29] sporten29sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) joined ##slackware. [05:29] cause proc is more often a kernel interface than a storage device [05:29] the way windows registry is used, there's a _lot_ of similarity between /proc and the registry [05:29] mayhaps [05:30] the registry file is a snapshot of /proc saved to a file [05:30] (in part of the way it's used) [05:31] yeah i guess so [05:36] strankan (n=user@c-86cf70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:37] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) joined ##slackware. [05:38] strankan (n=user@c-86cf70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [05:39] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [05:40] OT: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20091018 [05:41] userfriendly.org: The Top Five Geek-centric horror films for haloween 2009 [05:41] the last one: WindowsME: The Rebirth [05:41] hurray i am successfully using kgdb [05:41] phzin (n=StupidX@189.57.19.89) joined ##slackware. [05:45] Nick change: ivenkys_ -> ivenkys [05:48] sarkoman (n=sakoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:49] sarkoman (n=sakoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) joined ##slackware. [05:51] Axius (n=fd@92.84.1.211) joined ##slackware. [05:51] Axius (n=fd@92.84.1.211) left irc: Client Quit [05:51] Axius (n=fd@92.84.1.211) joined ##slackware. [05:52] Action: TwinReverb hugs userfriendly [05:52] TwinReverb: windows is userfriendly :p [05:52] Action: TwinReverb stabs The-Croupier [05:52] TwinReverb: does that mean you hug windows? :p [05:52] Action: The-Croupier hides [05:53] Action: The-Croupier gets the knife out of his leg and throws it in TwinReverb's direction [05:53] The-Croupier, if viruses are users, sure, windows is user-friendly [05:54] giuppy_ (n=giuppy@87.16.173.32) joined ##slackware. [05:55] viruses are code/programs/fixes used in a different way they were intended duhhh!! [05:56] and ... [05:56] that doesnt eliminate the fact that you hug windows [05:56] linux is user-friendly and it's already installed. windows is going to have to wait for a hug. [05:58] TwinReverb: you still didnt eliminate the possibility of hugging windows, so i take it you are one of those ppl that have already done so..but find it difficult to accept it..or admit it to the world...;) [05:59] it's ok you know...we still love you [05:59] Action: The-Croupier hides [05:59] hey windows xp media center is installed because my wife may randomly need me to have windows [05:59] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.133.132) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [05:59] happy wife > happy OS [06:00] my wife's laptop is windows vista - and she doesn't ask me to help her much. she already knows my answer :) [06:00] i've booted it like once [06:00] alisonken1noc, don't tell me, "it's probably windows, dear. here, install linux...." [06:01] TwinReverb: close enough :) [06:01] after the first time me saying "ok - I'll need about $5k for the training on this", she stopped asking [06:03] alisonken1noc: you asked money from your wife?! (thats another way of cheating you know) [06:03] The-Croupier: it's known as "if you want me to fix it, you pay for it" [06:03] alisonken1noc: why? doesnt she pay you another way...???? [06:04] The-Croupier: I love my wife - but that's a different matter entirely :) [06:04] I mean - we do have standards to maintain [06:05] Guest17482 (n=jordan@89.172.53.201) joined ##slackware. [06:05] Guest17482 (n=jordan@89.172.53.201) left ##slackware. [06:05] giuppy (n=giuppy@host202-162-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:06] Axius (n=fd@92.84.1.211) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:07] Axius (n=fd@92.84.1.211) joined ##slackware. [06:08] BringingSexyBack (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. 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[06:11] /mode +b *sexy*!*@* [06:11] actually [06:11] /mode +b *sex*!*@* [06:11] wtf [06:12] sex is gooood [06:12] come op [06:12] kom op* [06:13] what? it's a valid nickname! someone else gave it to me at my last base! 8-( [06:15] Nick change: BringingSexyBack -> TwinReverb [06:16] gah [06:17] outlook uses UTC internaly and calculates the difference between UTC and GMT+1 [06:17] but sometimes its 2 hours and sometimes 1 [06:17] that's because outlook is a royal pile of @#$, always has been, always will be, and everyone knows it [06:17] aye [06:18] err [06:18] UTC diff to GMT+1 is 0 or 1 hours [06:18] not 1 or 2 [06:18] its 1 hour [06:18] oh yeah [06:18] http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Europe_time_zones_map_de.png&filetimestamp=20090827211706 [06:18] course [06:18] ALWAYS 1 hour [06:18] UTC = GMT [06:19] no, sometimes two [06:19] also, it changes the format for reucuring events [06:19] slackytude: how can it possibly be two? [06:19] Zordrak: I wish I knew [06:19] GMT === UTC [06:19] it messes the calendar up [06:19] GMT+1 === UTC+1 [06:19] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-cblbjtmjhuloviid) joined ##slackware. [06:20] even worse, I cant seem to replicate it easily. my test events all had +1 now [06:20] but older events I looked at use +2 as well [06:20] O_o [06:20] sounds like youre dealing with CET not UTC [06:20] Action: TwinReverb blames windows [06:20] no [06:21] DTSTART:20091006T060000Z [06:21] DESCRIPTION:Zeit: Dienstag\, 6. Oktober 2009 08:00-14:00 (GMT+01:00) Amste rdam\, Berlin\, Bern\, Rom\, Stockholm\, Wien.\n\n*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*\n\n\ n [06:21] START is at 0600 Zulu [06:21] yet the description says 08:00 GMT+1 [06:21] GMT+1 === CET === UTC+1 [06:23] something has definitely gone wrong there.. but i dont know any time ever when GMT+1 != UTC+1 [06:23] yeah [06:23] people complain that the time is off [06:23] well, yeah, of course it is [06:24] perhaps its an issue of a users clock being on the wrong daylight-time but exchange thinks theyre both talking the same? [06:24] who knows... exchange blows [06:24] no exchange [06:24] Im dealing with this because we dont want exchange [06:24] I let outlook users send events as ical email [06:24] and parse the ical file [06:25] which I merge into a icalender [06:25] which I display in a website [06:25] slackytude: solution: move to england [06:25] lol [06:25] but time zone isnt the problem either, all machines are in GMT+1 and all outlook settings are the same [06:26] for now, I will change all events by hand and keep watching for errors [06:26] of course, there is also the end of summertime in a few days [06:26] it will all break horrible by then [06:26] \o/ [06:27] daylight savings time I mean [06:28] i know [06:28] cant wait for the extra hour in bed [06:29] heh [06:29] fosforo_ (n=fosforo@187.15.16.211) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:29] you got that in england as well? [06:29] in my case, an extra hour at work [06:29] BST = GMT+1 [06:30] thats what imw on right now [06:30] sajes (n=sajes@67.143.34.85) joined ##slackware. [06:30] back to GMT at the weekend [06:30] oh wait [06:31] then Im at GMT+2 now [06:31] fosforo_ (n=fosforo@187.15.21.67) joined ##slackware. [06:31] yes [06:31] you are [06:31] hrm [06:32] still, all clients gave me one hour [06:33] but I used a date in december [06:33] ahhh [06:34] a date in october will have +2 hours [06:34] outlook adjusts for daylight savings [06:34] well, thats just fucking great [06:35] outlook worked PROPERLY? no WAY! [06:35] depends [06:36] Id just like to have plain old UTC [06:36] the added intelligence just makes it hard to parse [06:36] it tryies to help. [06:36] tries* [06:37] anyway, turn it off. [06:37] how O_o [06:37] i think there's a setting to turn off auto-adjust for daylight savings time [06:38] yes, for windows, but for outlook? [06:38] I guess I could force a timezone [06:38] sajes (n=sajes@67.143.34.85) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [06:38] sajes (n=sajes@67.143.34.85) joined ##slackware. [06:38] sarkoman (n=sakoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:39] yeah, there is a button for adjusting for daylight saving in outlook [06:39] sarkoman (n=sakoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) joined ##slackware. [06:39] Why would backtrack need compiz support? [06:39] and in clock settings [06:39] ccfreak2k, what is backtrack? [06:40] A security-focused fork of SLAX. [06:40] ccfreak2k: because it's l33t :) [06:40] how is compiz support security-focused? [06:40] HAHA anahel [06:40] Used for pentesting and the like. Has things like airsnarf and what-not. [06:40] er ananke [06:40] TwinReverb, exactly. [06:40] Action: TwinReverb dons his tin foil hat [06:42] wow - TwinReverb actually _removed_ his tinfoil hat? [06:42] no i just stated it for the sake of reminding you all to do the same :D :P [06:43] chipster_ (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Client Quit [06:43] Action: sajes hooks up a 12V battery to TwinReverb's hat. [06:43] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [06:43] God bless PNY .. FINALLY a USB stick that doesn't come loaded with files on it ... just a @#$ing drive! brilliant! [06:43] gotta remember, they wrote for MS first :) [06:44] sajes, mine is coated with transparent insulation spray ... [06:44] TwinReverb: Napalm then? [06:44] sajes, i doubt you could make it, you don't come across as 1337 [06:44] maybe 14M3 but not 1337 [06:45] Action: sajes sighs and walks away. [06:45] a real 1337 user would've stabbed the tin foil with the leads through the insulation [06:45] I figured you'd have a magical penetration barrier around it like everyone else. [06:45] HAHAHA [06:46] urg. poorly written assembler [06:47] we get very few questions in here from the backtrack users now that it's *debian* based. :P [06:48] amazing how that works out :) [06:48] chopp: its debian based now? hurray! [06:48] indeed. [06:48] brb going to #debian to rub it in [06:48] welcome to ancient xfce versions (if knoppix is any indicator) [06:50] well, it would be nice if outlook would be telling you if its using GMT+1 or GMT+2 [06:50] yay i got a USB stick just for the fun of running speed trials with filesystems! 8-D [06:50] they didn't bite :( [06:50] usually they'd just ban instead so i guess they're mellowing out in there [06:51] thats what i wish ##slackware was like [06:51] spook: may just be early there :) [06:51] Action: slackytude starts converting all event entries to GMT+1 [06:52] or they may be working out the bugs in their flamethrowers [06:53] Action: Zordrak continues to viscerally despise CentOS [06:53] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:53] Action: alisonken1noc doesn't need viscreally to despise CentOS [06:53] HAHAHA [06:54] Action: TwinReverb will develop a new linux ... visceral linux [06:54] hark at you and youre disturbingly correct grawwar [06:54] *yourc [06:54] *your [06:54] *grammar [06:54] hah [06:55] http://pastebin.com/m56f069cd what i'm working on. [06:55] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [06:55] ok - I stopped using asm a _loooong_ time ago [06:56] ohffs [06:56] ha [06:56] alisonken1noc: this is kernel assembler, not in mainline but from a series of patch i'm working on [06:56] ah [06:56] somehow .. a random pile of cpio accidetally parsed by bash has *permanently* changed the bash promp... even through reboot [06:57] >yaaaawwwwwn< [06:57] only 2 more hours to go [06:57] reocurring events are given in GMT time and not UTC [06:57] thats great [06:57] DTSTART;TZID="Amsterdam, Berlin, Bern, Rom, Stockholm, Wien":20091102T0800 00 [06:58] Zordrak: :( [06:59] DTSTART;VALUE=DATE:20091016 [06:59] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.36.49) joined ##slackware. [06:59] how the fuck is this persistent?! [06:59] without timezone specification [07:00] hmmmmm [07:00] it borked Konsole [07:00] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.36.49) left irc: Client Quit [07:05] sarkoman (n=sakoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:05] sarkoman (n=sakoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) joined ##slackware. [07:05] _MaggoT_ (n=maggot@125.166.213.197) joined ##slackware. [07:07] _bruno (n=bruno@189-47-244-71.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:08] john_dee (n=id@93-81-137-84.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:10] Intel[R]VT-x (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/sanzilla) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:12] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [07:13] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [07:13] gawd [07:14] hmm how to get hold of a 2nd hand (or 3rd hand) metre-deep 10U+ rack for very little money :/ [07:15] either its a date given as UTC which can be either GMT+1 or GMT+2 *or* the it gives a timezone and a date *or* just a date without a timezone. which can be either gmt+1 or gmt+2 as well [07:15] Action: slackytude shakes fist [07:15] I curse thee [07:18] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [07:20] <_MaggoT_> can someone tell me how take back default panel on kde? [07:21] rm ~/.kde* [07:21] ? [07:21] <_MaggoT_> thx [07:21] that may also affect a bunch of other things as well, so be careful about it [07:23] <_MaggoT_> that will give back default panel like first time login ? [07:24] that blows away _all_ of your kde settings and there's a good chance you'll end up with a default desktop period [07:24] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [07:24] actually, it would be 'rm -rf ~/.kde*' since those are directories [07:25] <_MaggoT_> ok thx because now for switch progaram i must use tab [07:26] Action: _MaggoT_ brb restart [07:26] _MaggoT_ (n=maggot@125.166.213.197) left irc: "Leaving" [07:29] what are we fixing by deleting ~/.kde ? [07:29] _MaggoT_ (n=maggot@125.166.208.90) joined ##slackware. [07:29] we fix kde [07:29] <_MaggoT_> thx [07:29] <_MaggoT_> the kde panel now already back like default [07:30] oh god i'm commenting assembler [07:31] lol [07:31] spook: thats good [07:31] Axius (n=fd@92.84.1.211) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:31] no its not [07:32] why not? [07:32] because i'm learning assembler! [07:33] there is nothing wrong with commenting assembler [07:33] which assembler? [07:34] Why do people say "assembler"? [07:34] It's akin to saying "learning car". [07:34] x86_64 [07:34] bah, Intel [07:34] fcking ugly [07:34] amd too. [07:34] same [07:34] i'm using the amd documentation on it [07:35] wollw (n=wollw4@75-101-22-68.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [07:42] gnubien (n=e@97.100.244.58) joined ##slackware. [07:42] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:43] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-206-206.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:44] was just wondering if anyone else is having trouble configuring the kde menu (4.2.3) in classic mode...any changes/additions I make are not shown after saving...bump? [07:44] 4.2.3? [07:46] Intel[R]VT-x (n=chatzill@124.43.152.161) joined ##slackware. [07:46] & how to change from classic to ? [07:46] hi all is anyone is a expert of VHDL ? [07:46] * an expert ? [07:46] 4.3.2 d'oh [07:47] I just wanna ad some items to the top of "kmenu" but changes i make are never shown...tho did work in previous versions [07:50] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [07:51] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:54] <_MaggoT_> configure: error: Cannot build a 32-bit program, you need to install 32-bit development liries. [07:55] <_MaggoT_> hiks this problem i got already 4 hour and until now cannot fix that :( [07:55] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.25) left irc: "Leaving." [07:55] you also have to tell configure where the 32-bit libs/headers are located [07:59] Intel[R]VT-x (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/sanzilla) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:00] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.25) joined ##slackware. [08:00] remote (n=remote@unaffiliated/remote) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:01] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.25) left irc: Client Quit [08:02] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [08:06] sarkoman (n=sakoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:08] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:09] sopas (n=souphead@112.198.140.33) joined ##slackware. [08:10] Why is it everytime I got to #kde, I end up ANSWERING questions? *sigh* [08:12] Axius (n=fd@92.84.1.211) joined ##slackware. [08:12] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.171.218) joined ##slackware. [08:12] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [08:12] hi there! [08:12] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-3-5.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net) left ##slackware. [08:13] < o hai [08:14] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:19] ejirtimid (n=ejirtimi@79.101.162.106) joined ##slackware. [08:20] adamk_ (n=adamk@c-68-45-151-98.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:20] ejirtimid (n=ejirtimi@79.101.162.106) left irc: Client Quit [08:21] sopas (n=souphead@112.198.140.33) left irc: "Leaving" [08:22] <_MaggoT_> configure: error: in `/tmp/SBo/wine-1.1.24': [08:22] <_MaggoT_> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables [08:22] <_MaggoT_> See `config.log' for more details. [08:22] <_MaggoT_> the log http://pastebin.com/m7d67a495 [08:22] Action: _MaggoT_ @_@ [08:22] _MaggoT_, are you using x86_64? [08:22] <_MaggoT_> yes [08:22] yes you are... [08:23] ARCH="x86_64" ./wine.SlackBuild [08:23] TwinReverb, it won't work... [08:23] Dimitrije (n=ejirtimi@79.101.162.106) joined ##slackware. [08:23] _MaggoT_: check config.log [08:23] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429608.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:23] That's how I compiled the wine slackbuild on slackware 64. [08:24] you've two ways to move on: 1)Installing the 32bit emulation packages packaged by Alien Bob(they're in his own website); 2)cd .. ; rm -r wine [08:24] Ahhh. [08:24] Of course I had already made my installation multilib :-) [08:24] adamk, ;) wine requests 32bit support [08:25] however take a look here: http://wiki.winehq.org/Wine64 [08:25] Right, I just assumed he had already made his installation multilib if he's using amd64. [08:26] i think they forgot the "h" in wine [08:26] (whine) [08:27] lol [08:27] Why Ctrl+r doesn't work on zsh? [08:28] zsh != bas [08:28] h [08:29] jhw (n=jhw@p548F5999.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:29] Axius, they're different ;) [08:29] LoL xD [08:29] what? I wanna laugh too [08:30] Does zsh has something like Ctrl+r? [08:31] Axius, I don't know, probably no [08:31] ah... something similar, yes maybe ;) [08:32] Intel[R]VT-x (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/sanzilla) joined ##slackware. [08:32] I found the solution bindkey -e! [08:33] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [08:33] Axius, by default zsh has emacs keybindings, keybindings also include a history search [08:33] is anyone is a expert in VHDL ? [08:33] bindkey -e ;) [08:34] metrofox: What shell do you use? [08:34] Axius, only bash [08:35] Intel[R]VT-x: I played with it in university [08:35] hey slackytude ;) [08:36] slackytude: which university ? [08:36] y0 foxy [08:37] Intel[R]VT-x: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darmstadt_University_of_Applied_Sciences [08:37] what a cool university [08:38] college of hard knocks ;) [08:38] ^-^ [08:38] slackytude: I only have a x86 computer and linux installed and working good in linux . and it is enoughf to learn VHDL without going to those FPGA boards ? [08:39] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Darmstadt-Schloss_Marktplatz.jpg this is the library [08:39] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [08:39] please note that my computer is x86 [08:39] who's that naked man? :D [08:39] Intel[R]VT-x: Id say so, yes [08:39] metrofox: eh, some artsy stuff. I drive by that everyday but I have no clue [08:40] hey, what do i do to make sure numlock is on when i log into a wm? [08:40] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [08:40] there are many startup scripts runs when the window manager is starting [08:40] see those init scripts [08:41] what is you're window manager ? [08:41] Intel[R]VT-x: but what would i put into those scripts> [08:41] Intel[R]VT-x: xmonad and kde4 [08:41] err that's the problem [08:41] Intel[R]VT-x: maybe i can enable it at boot so that it will work for all... [08:42] some BIOS allow you to have numlock enabled or turned off [08:42] Intel[R]VT-x: usually asking "is anyone here good at/an expect at XYZ" gets you no where. just ask your question. [08:43] slackytude: i'm not sure that any DONT have that option. [08:43] spook: long time since I looked into it [08:43] oh my gawd [08:43] there is a customer with windows ME [08:43] Action: slackytude hides [08:44] "install a new OS" [08:44] Action: spook hides [08:44] or you could tell them you're trying to fix it but then dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda and then tell them it accidentally lost all data and they need to buy linux [08:45] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "Leaving" [08:45] eh [08:45] my workmate got him [08:45] hiding FTW! [08:45] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) left irc: "leaving" [08:47] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:47] zorn199: in KDE there is a KControlPanel or something like that , then open it and go to the peripherals -> keyboard then you're get what you need [08:47] i would've seriously backed up his stuff and then wiped his hard drive [08:47] anyone know how I can get mutt to show the mail under the inbox? what do I need to do to do that? [08:48] Windows XP and below are suicide on the internet [08:48] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-133-88.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:48] bleh, windows is suicide on the internet [08:48] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-141-63.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [08:48] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Client Quit [08:48] TwinReverb: Uh.. Don't click random shit and don't open emails that offer phr33 p0rn and you should be fine. [08:49] uh no it's much more than that [08:49] anything windows 9x (to include "99" or "ME") is plagued by horrible or even nonexistent user privilege separation [08:50] as for 2000 and XP, assuming you get Pro, you can take steps to separate users from Administrator, but there are still portions of the OS that are permanently running as Administrator regardless of who runs them (forgot what parts but I know I read something on it at SANS.org) [08:51] I'm being told to install "pykde" to have working widgets, but such a package only can be found in slackware 12.1 ... [08:51] Vista is a golden poop. it looks good but in the end it's still poop. better than win9x/xp/2000 but still not good enough to be reliable without buying software to save it from itself (i.e. antivirus, firewall, etc) [08:51] that name of the control panel is KContorl [08:51] rogersman, did you try to install kde4 on slackware 12.1? [08:51] open the terminal and hit KControl [08:52] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) joined ##slackware. [08:52] no, actually im coming from a fresh install of current with batts kde 4.3.2 .. but no working widgets :-( [08:52] and even then BRAND NEW computers with Vista with someone using the computer as non-admin and with new and up to date AV and FW get hijacked too easily for Windows Vista to truly be said to protect anyone [08:52] 3rd party widgets i mean [08:52] there's really no solution: either buy a mac or install Linux [08:52] unless Windows 7 redeems itself [08:53] rogersman, ok, not sure why you mentioned slackware 12.1, then. what does "ls /var/log/packages/PyQt*" say ? [08:53] take the windows bashing to offtopic, doesnt belong here when people are trying to get help. [08:53] win7 is nice [08:53] er, redeems Microsoft [08:53] I don't understand the windows bashing, they have, what, 90% of the market? how you honestly say they are doing things wrong? [08:53] win7 is win vista a little faster with the KDE4's panel [08:54] take the windows bashing to offtopic, doesnt belong here when people are trying to get help. [08:54] /var/log/packages/PyQt-4.4.4-i486-2 /var/log/packages/PyQt-4.5.4-i686-1_vb [08:54] @thrice /var/log/packages/PyQt-4.4.4-i486-2 /var/log/packages/PyQt-4.5.4-i686-1_vb [08:54] rogersman, ok, see how you have two entries? that's bad [08:54] ah [08:54] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:55] remove both and install 1. [08:55] i'm guessing "akonadi", "eigen2", "sip" are the same? [08:55] 10-4 will try when i get home ... thanx [08:55] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:56] sounds like you downloaded the 4.3.2 packages, and did "installpkg" instead of "upgradepkg --install-new" on them [08:56] thrice`: move accurately, sounds like he doesnt read instructions [08:56] well, i installed slackware without KDE at all, and later installpkg the batts pkg [08:56] thrice`, you forgot [08:57] spook, dont be a bitch [08:57] rogersman, thought so :) since the 4.3.2 directory also contains some newer dependencies, you really wanted "upgradepkg --install-new". and yes, the instructions do say that. [08:57] spook is right actually [08:57] just because something is popular don't mean it's good. looking at human nature is enough proof of this: people drink too much, eat bad food, are overweight, have too much credit card debt, and buy houses they can't afford. do i need to continue? 8-) [08:57] rogersman: insulting people who previously helped you is not the way to get help from them in future. [08:58] the semi-constant superiority complex you show just gets a bit tiresome sometimes spook [08:58] people even seem to ignore AlienBOB's wonderful READMEs! 8-O [08:59] lesson learned. it's actually rare that one should use "installpkg" over "upgradepkg --install-new" [08:59] I personally love alienBOB's tutorials [08:59] demoncyber__ (i=c81203fd@gateway/web/freenode/x-zmrvnxjrxkvlfxcc) joined ##slackware. [08:59] Intel[R]VT-x, I love them too :P [08:59] personally, I love coffee [08:59] demoncyber__ (i=c81203fd@gateway/web/freenode/x-zmrvnxjrxkvlfxcc) left ##slackware. [08:59] alienBOB, have you seen wot u get when you google image search your name? weird [08:59] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:59] rogersman: you're more than welcome to /ignore me if you don't like the way i help people. [08:59] Action: _MaggoT_ now reading alienbob tutorial for Slackware for x86_64 - multilib packages & build instructions [08:59] i apologize for the "anti-windows" rant and i am seriously trying not rant or be off topic but the truth is the truth. windows is still not programmed well. mac has done way better towards user privilege separation than microsoft on a fraction of the budget and manpower. i will now shut up. [09:00] i still help people with computer problems regardless of what kind they are, what OS they use, and I read SANS for breakfast practically [09:00] TwinReverb: i completely agree with you, but you're (mostly) preaching to the choir here. [09:00] man, what part of "i will now shut up" did I mis-understand? [09:00] yeah [09:00] Action: spook shakes fist at straterra [09:01] :D [09:01] http://www.thewholetruth.com/alienbob.jpg [09:01] haha [09:01] <_MaggoT_> lol [09:01] <_MaggoT_> i think that the real pic of alienbob [09:01] I hope that link wasn't a XSS [09:01] slackboy, ahahahah :D [09:01] Intel[R]VT-x, no it's not [09:02] alienBOB, what would be cool is if next you did a HOWTO_SLACKWARE_LIVE.TXT 8-D [09:02] Intel[R]VT-x: slackytude is a pretty trustworthy regular of the channel, and i've yet to see an XSS done with a jpg. [09:02] metrofox: because it is ends with the jpg you can't say like that [09:02] there used to be instructions for making a slax-like setup of live slackware, i remember playing with their instructions once, but i couldn't get it to work properly [09:02] should be MIME type jpg [09:02] Intel[R]VT-x, yes, I know how it ends... I checked, it's not ;) [09:03] but a bootable USB stick with a full slackware installation on it would be awesome [09:03] hey all [09:03] Intel[R]VT-x: a quick wget --spider reveals Length: 11009 (11K) [image/jpeg] [09:04] i never knew she was a MIME .. [09:04] [09:04] Im trustworthy? [09:04] my plan is bearing fruits [09:04] slackytude: i trust you. [09:04] haha! sucker [09:04] slackytude, naa, you're not... [09:04] metrofox: you're on the road to earning my trust too :) [09:05] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:05] spook, I trust you [09:05] as I trust God! [09:05] madmen [09:05] did i hear that right, slackytude bares fruits :-) [09:05] Action: _MaggoT_ omg my connection speed very slow :( [09:05] bare fruit? [09:06] peaches are nice [09:06] mmm [09:06] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [09:06] apples too [09:06] apples are the worst. [09:06] ah, that kind of fruit, nm [09:06] i prefer hourglasses [09:06] mmm... well pears are also good! [09:07] pears are better than apples, but they are far from good [09:07] <_MaggoT_> durian the best fruit :p [09:07] Action: Intel[R]VT-x goes back to reading tldp.org [09:07] I like strawberries but they're not bare :D [09:07] Intel[R]VT-x: good choice. [09:08] raspberries, blackberries, blueberries [09:09] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [09:09] crackberries [09:10] cool crackberries [09:10] pupit (n=pupit@91.150.106.12) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:10] heh, weren't there crunchberries in some cerial [09:10] cereal [09:10] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [09:10] Captain Crunch [09:10] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [09:11] thanks rk4n3 ... bet those were the healthiest of all berries [09:11] oy its rk4n3 [09:11] admiral crunch and arch duke chocular [09:11] Action: slackytude waves [09:11] howdy all [09:11] y0 agentc0re [09:11] back from work? [09:11] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.124) joined ##slackware. [09:11] nope, it's morning. [09:12] ah [09:12] amazon10x (i=captain@liberstation.com) left irc: "leaving" [09:12] Action: slackytude is always confused about timezones [09:12] cant you people just join UTC? its universal! [09:13] lotec (n=lotec@static-96-254-222-162.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:13] lotec (n=lotec@static-96-254-222-162.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:13] Axius (n=fd@92.84.1.211) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [09:14] Axius (n=fd@92.84.1.211) joined ##slackware. [09:14] slackytude: http://timecube.com [09:14] slackytude: i think you need a refresher :P [09:14] and again timecube pops up [09:15] the earth has four sides [09:15] alisonken1noc: and you say that like it's a bad thing. [09:15] :) [09:15] naaa.. I won't read all that stuff! [09:15] i've read the whole website.... well about 8 months ago i did. [09:15] slackytu1e (n=icke@p4FD891B7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:15] agentc0re, was it interesting...= [09:16] ? [09:16] 3 pages of... well it's just unexplainable. [09:16] Nick change: slackytu1e -> slaackytude [09:16] O_o [09:16] so you won't write a synthesis [09:16] metrofox: hard to say - I could only get down the first 5 paragraphs before I fell asleep [09:17] lol [09:17] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:17] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:17] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:17] slackytude (n=icke@79.216.147.126) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:17] Nick change: slaackytude -> slackytude [09:17] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:17] agentc0re: yup. [09:18] agentc0re: the worst page on the internet [09:18] the page sucks, I don't know what it contains though... [09:18] spook: no, there is worse. [09:19] agentc0re: i dont think so. [09:19] i remember one called, dolphinsex.org [09:19] seen it, timecube is worse. [09:19] rogersman (n=gr235423@nat/sun/x-jccsyugwxbwtkxpl) left ##slackware. [09:19] worse than goatse? [09:20] goatse no long exists, but yes. [09:20] goatse is funny [09:21] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.130.16) joined ##slackware. [09:21] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-136-241.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [09:28] <_MaggoT_> got indonesian ppl here? [09:28] _bruno (n=bruno@189-47-244-71.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:28] english only. [09:28] _bruno (n=bruno@189-47-244-71.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:28] <_MaggoT_> yes [09:28] <_MaggoT_> just ask :) [09:29] paul424 (i=1000@156.17.163.223) joined ##slackware. [09:29] we had some Indonesians, but I ate them [09:29] <_MaggoT_> why? [09:29] tasty? [09:30] very tasty [09:30] with salsa [09:30] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) left irc: "Leaving" [09:30] _bruno (n=bruno@189-47-244-71.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:31] _bruno_ (n=bruno@189-47-244-71.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:31] <_MaggoT_> lol [09:34] Action: slackytude is bored [09:34] entertain me [09:34] <_MaggoT_> hahahaha [09:35] Action: hitest says pull my finger [09:35] Action: slackytude pulls finger [09:35] Action: hitest leaves the room in shame......a cloud follows him [09:35] that wasnt very entertaining [09:36] off with his head! [09:36] oh well [09:36] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [09:36] Action: hitest installs ubuntu on slackytude's computer [09:36] nooo! [09:36] Action: hitest cackles [09:36] Action: slackytude PXE boots a slackware! [09:36] aha [09:37] hehe [09:37] its all in the cloud! [09:37] it is too late the n00bs have you [09:37] nevar [09:37] Reav_1 (n=Reav_1@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: "~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~" [09:37] bring wores and ale [09:37] whores even [09:37] altho some wores might be fine as well [09:38] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-48-110.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:38] Action: hitest dials-up rent-a-ho [09:38] <_MaggoT_> 4 file more +_+ [09:38] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [09:39] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:39] Action: hitest goes to get coffee [09:39] coffee, eh? [09:39] yes [09:39] *good coffee* [09:40] went to starbucks this morning [09:40] nice [09:40] expensive? [09:41] yeah [09:41] but Im an addict [09:41] I usually go there on mondays [09:41] me too [09:41] Try their instant stuff..It'll break your addiction [09:41] I'm an addict as well [09:41] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.31.71) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [09:41] instant stuff? nah! [09:42] It's crap [09:42] well, its instant [09:42] course its crap [09:42] straterra: instant? blech [09:42] I know..thats the point [09:42] strankan (n=user@c-86cf70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:42] anyone recommend a good smart phone? "HTC Tattoo"? "Nokia N900"? [09:42] Action: slackytude pokes spook [09:42] I wanna see some fighting [09:43] htc tattoo is WinMo, no? [09:43] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:43] WinMo? [09:43] win mobile [09:43] android [09:43] oh, ok [09:43] palm pre maybe what your thinking of.? [09:44] nah [09:44] palm pre doesnt run winmo [09:44] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.94.68) joined ##slackware. [09:44] runs on webos [09:44] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [09:45] slackytude: huh? [09:45] ever tried the N97? [09:45] jonsmith1982: openmoko [09:45] got it. [09:45] it's not great. [09:45] spook: nvm [09:45] good though. [09:46] spook ^^ [09:46] jonsmith1982: my fsf friend has one. she only uses opensource stuff. [09:46] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:46] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [09:47] Axius (n=fd@92.84.1.211) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:48] ijai (n=reaper@60.51.54.99) joined ##slackware. [09:49] spook, hardware is lacking alot in that phone, plus all the hardware and software faults. Not really production ready. imo. last time I tried it anyhow. [09:50] n95 runs linux doesnt it/ [09:51] Nokia n900 does but its not out yet [09:51] n95 run symbian [09:51] r_linux (n=r_linux@200.225.95.150) joined ##slackware. [09:51] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:52] john_dee (n=id@93-81-137-84.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [09:52] Nokia n97 is very tempting but thats like £500. [09:52] iphone? [09:53] htc magic? [09:53] stickyboy (n=hugo@41.204.190.12) left irc: "leaving" [09:53] iphone won't play nice with slackware i imaginje. [09:53] wont play nice how? [09:54] jailbreak it and use sshfs [09:54] ijai__ (n=reaper@60.51.54.99) joined ##slackware. [09:54] or qemu/kvm a windows machine and use usb passthrough [09:55] latest firmware update of iphone cant be jailbroken, as of now [09:55] I i could virtualization in my bios enabled i would. [09:55] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:55] br00tal (n=Jesse@host-177-156-2-96.midco.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:55] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.130.16) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:55] jonsmith1982: qemu doesnt need hardware virtualisation support [09:56] tried without, it's too slow. [09:56] on this laptop. [09:56] did you use the kqemu module? [09:56] yep. [09:58] mesaGL (n=mesaGL@unaffiliated/mesagl) left irc: [09:58] _bruno_ (n=bruno@189-47-244-71.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [09:58] seen the htc magic? [09:58] br00tal (n=Jesse@host-177-156-2-96.midco.net) joined ##slackware. [10:00] br00tal (n=Jesse@host-177-156-2-96.midco.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:01] br00tal (n=Jesse@96.2.156.177) joined ##slackware. [10:01] br00tal (n=Jesse@96.2.156.177) left irc: Client Quit [10:02] I think HTC Tattoo is a newer version of that. [10:03] but if it is, you could probably pick up a magic cheap [10:05] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:30f) joined ##slackware. [10:06] anyone ever set up a beowluf cluster? [10:06] *Beowulf [10:07] nah [10:07] Zordrak: i've setup openmosix clusters and am currently working on linuxpmi, the revival project. [10:09] spook: production-ready? [10:10] Zordrak: well... [10:10] that sounds like a no is coming... [10:10] Zordrak: every 3 in 10 times the kernel starts up, it panics because something tried to kill init. [10:10] O_o [10:10] sounds nice :) [10:10] and running our migration torturer causes double faults. [10:11] Action: Camarade_Tux already gone :) [10:11] sometimes on the host, sometimes on the target. [10:13] ijai__ (n=reaper@60.51.54.99) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:13] yeah.. that soundss... well... "not entirely ready" [10:13] Zordrak: also, migrations never successfully work. [10:13] riiight [10:13] but thats for x86_64, on our bleeding edge code. [10:14] does it get drunk halfway across? [10:14] nirox (n=nirox@pc108-232.ktv.no) left irc: [10:14] for x86_32 on our slightly more stable code, it migrates across fine, but fails in returning. [10:14] paul424 (i=1000@156.17.163.223) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829]" [10:15] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:16] Zordrak: if you want production ready, and are willing to use 2.4.26... [10:16] spook: sounds like a great project [10:16] slackytude: well the 2.6 forward port was a complete rewrite. and then abandoned. [10:16] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [10:17] give it maybe 5 years at most and this stuff will be in-kernel. [10:17] wohoo1 [10:17] wohoo! [10:20] currently i'm trying to become adept at x86_64 assembler to fix some of this stuff. [10:20] ye gods [10:20] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:21] <_MaggoT_> grrr miss my windows game T_T [10:21] starting to get an idea of what some of the assembler does. [10:23] intel assembly is just ugly [10:23] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:24] slackytude, why? [10:24] slackytude: yes well, for kernel stuff, what choice is there? [10:26] metrofox: lots of special purpose registers and commands [10:26] ijai (n=reaper@60.51.54.99) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:26] metrofox, I don't have much x86 asm experience but it seems like a collection of hacks now [10:26] RISC > * [10:26] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:26] due to backward compatibility [10:26] spook: bah [10:26] yeah [10:26] uh thank you both ;) [10:26] first intel chips had four registers A,B,C,D [10:26] <3 ARM [10:26] then they added some bits and extended the registers [10:26] now how many registers have they? [10:26] AX,BX,CX,DX [10:27] 32 total [10:27] then extended again and its EAX,EBX,ECX,EDX [10:27] arno (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [10:27] and you can address them as A, AX or EAX [10:27] and why all these registers? [10:27] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:27] thank god i dont know what your talking about , i might be dissapointed [10:27] now its EEAX, EEBX,EECX,EEDX [10:27] morning everyone [10:28] Scuzz, me too... I'm trying to learn asking something about ;) [10:28] metrofox: well, just 4 registers is not much. but you have to keep those four to be backwards compatible [10:28] half of them are for user mode (right term?) [10:28] allan8904 (n=allan@ppp121-45-244-221.lns1.per2.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [10:28] r0-r12 are general purpose [10:28] and others for various modes [10:28] in 64bit (long mode), sixteen 8bit low byte, four 8bit high byte, sixteen 16bit, sixteen 32bit, sixteen 64bit. [10:29] slackytude, where can I get documented about intel assembly? [10:29] is there a book somewhere? [10:29] probably thousands [10:29] you might take a look at ##asm 's topic [10:29] good call [10:29] half (R8 to R15) are general purpose. [10:31] spook: I think wollw is right. r0 - r12 is general purpose [10:31] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:31] arno_ (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [10:32] i'm looking at the AMD docs right now. the pdf is open. [10:32] I was talking about ARM [10:32] first 8 are implicit purpose. [10:33] _MaggoT_ (n=maggot@125.166.208.90) left irc: "Leaving" [10:33] spook: I was talking about ARM as well [10:33] i was not :P [10:33] sorry :P [10:34] r0-r12, r13 is stackpointer, r14 is link register [10:34] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [10:34] and 15 is PC [10:34] yup [10:34] or sumething [10:36] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:36] intel is so messed up [10:37] CISC on top but its all RISC anyway [10:38] weird naming convetions, stupid special purpose registers [10:38] its just ugly [10:39] mikinanuq (n=mikinanu@71-215-83-66.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [10:40] akSeya (i=User@201.21.160.67) joined ##slackware. [10:41] Files (i=Files@088156210034.radom.vectranet.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:41] mesaGL (n=mesaGL@unaffiliated/mesagl) joined ##slackware. [10:43] Files (i=Files@088156210034.radom.vectranet.pl) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:43] JohannesSM64 (n=johannes@cm-84.208.207.140.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [10:43] why is gnome removed? [10:43] JohannesSM64: Gnome was removed way back in the 10.x series. [10:43] JohannesSM64: bit late to the party. [10:44] ienh (n=ienh@ARennes-257-1-99-238.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "leaving" [10:44] i'm not a slack user, just heard gnome was removed [10:44] and wondered why [10:45] JohannesSM64: this was at 5 years ago. [10:45] JohannesSM64: and its all in the change log and annouce [10:45] hard to build [10:45] but if you want gnome you can install Slackware 10.1. its still supported [10:45] There are a multitude of articles and explanations on many sites.. [10:45] Or you can try Dropline or Gnome Slackbuild projects [10:45] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "leaving" [10:45] Dominian: dropline is uuuugly. [10:45] spook: yep [10:45] but its still an alternative [10:46] remember dagmar? [10:46] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Connection timed out [10:46] JohannesSM64: http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-10.2/ChangeLog.txt <--- look under entry for Sat Mar 26 23:04 PST 2005 [10:47] dagmar? [10:47] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [10:47] Dagmar.. haven't heard that name in a long time [10:48] dagmar & julian? [10:48] nikname056 (i=51fcb5a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-rmriilzhjcvrvwrq) joined ##slackware. [10:48] that rings a bell [10:48] hi all, i have a probleme to boot windows seven with lilo. [10:48] i just installed slack x64 [10:49] what should i add in my lilo.conf ? [10:49] Dominian: been a while heh. [10:49] nikname056, you should add some string for make windows bootable [10:49] spook: you are dagmar? [10:50] nikname056, /etc/lilo.conf: 63 # Windows bootable partition config begins [10:50] beginning from there ;) [10:50] ending: 67 # Windows bootable partition config ends [10:50] i have only two lines : other = /dev/sda2 | label = Windows | table = /dev/sda [10:50] sporten29sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:51] nikname056, this should be fine... What error lilo gives you? [10:51] bootmgr is missing.. [10:51] you re-ran lilo -v to reinstall it right? [10:51] after making the change to lilo.conf ? [10:52] no, at the moment, i just install slack x64 and try to re run seven [10:52] you need to reinstall lilo [10:52] slackytude: no lol. [10:52] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [10:52] if lilo.conf is correct as itappears it is... just do: lilo -v [10:52] nikname056, su - ; lilo -v [10:52] then reboot and try to boot into windows [10:52] spook: thought so, dagmar wasnt drunk all the time [10:52] ok, im trying this thx [10:52] :P [10:53] slackytude: he was also banned from here. [10:53] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:53] firedix (n=firedix@host125.201-252-151.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [10:53] nikname056, win returns that error or lilo? [10:53] (win I think) [10:53] snL40 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [10:53] snL40 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Client Quit [10:53] metrofox: That would be windows.. considering lilo's error wouldn't complain about a bootmgr missing [10:54] snL40 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [10:54] lilo -v -> no change [10:54] uh ok... [10:54] nikname056, did you type it? [10:54] Loading windows -- Bootmgr is missing --ctrl alt del [10:54] once done just reboot [10:54] nikname056: So you already rebooted [10:54] and tested it [10:54] yeah, lilo -v then reboot [10:54] the problem is caused by windows, not by lilo [10:54] hrm [10:54] ok [10:55] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:55] you may have to add: boot-as = 0x80 in your lilo.conf for windows [10:55] then lilo -v again [10:55] windows 7 might be giving you havoc as it expects your drive to be 0x80 aka hda1 sda1 whatever [10:55] yeah try it =) [10:55] ok im trying [10:55] ok [10:55] snL40 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Client Quit [10:55] sda2 ;) [10:55] metrofox: you missed my point [10:56] Windows expects to be the main drive in a system.. boot-as = 0x80 allows lilo to "fool" windows into thinking its on the main drive in the system [10:56] Dominian, no I got it, I just said he has /dev/sda2 as drive, just to make it clear [10:56] snL20 (n=irssi@90.149.160.214) joined ##slackware. [10:56] ah [10:56] Ok :) [10:56] ;) [10:57] ok just add in windows part: boot-as = 0x80 [10:57] arno (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Connection timed out [10:58] nikname056, don't forget to re-run lilo [10:58] lilo -v ? [10:58] nikname056, yes [10:58] i make it [10:58] by root =) [10:58] and no change.. [10:58] well, reboot now [10:58] you won't see a change [10:58] You just need to reboot after the lilo -v [10:58] and try booting windows [10:58] no exactly the same error [10:58] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:30f) left irc: "Leaving" [10:59] nikname056, did your reboot your machine or lilo? [10:59] er.. that was quick [10:59] both :) [10:59] Dominian, too quick [10:59] aye [10:59] lilo -v then ar eboot that fast... [10:59] sounds fishy. [10:59] probably some timewarp device [10:59] its just a jump to the left [11:00] with your hands on your hips [11:00] ... [11:00] mmm, are you so athletic? [11:00] lol [11:00] O_o [11:00] it's rocky horror picture show [11:01] my lilo.conf: other = /dev/sda2 | label = windows | table = /dev/sda | boot-as = 0x80 [11:01] arno__ (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [11:01] re run lilo withi lilo -v and reboot [11:01] i have the same error after [11:02] almost time to go home [11:02] \o/ [11:02] booo yeah [11:02] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [11:02] slackytude, see ya ;) [11:02] ^-^ [11:02] to get the last pid the best way is "command & echo $!" ? [11:02] its so fcnking boring [11:02] arno_ (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:02] powtrix: pretty much yeah [11:03] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:03] cool! [11:03] and if I run a script, the pid will be from script or the command itself? [11:04] before i have xp x64 on my sda1 [11:04] and now its slackware [11:04] and windows seven on /dev/sda2 [11:04] no change for that [11:04] powtrix: from the script. but Im not too sure about it. [11:05] FTS im going home [11:05] sda1 for my boot partition [11:05] sda3 for the swap [11:06] and sda2 for the windows seven partition [11:06] only sda1 is bootable [11:06] is there other way to get the last command pid? `pgrep program` is not a good way if i have 2+ same programs openned. [11:06] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [11:07] im running a script and it's getting wrong pid from $! way [11:07] isn't it $? ? [11:08] thats return value [11:08] kstart -iconify ksnapshot & echo $? [11:08] [1] 3912 [11:08] 0 [11:08] thats means return code was 0 [11:08] completly different [11:09] arrghhhhh bootmgr is missing :( :'( [11:11] hiptobecubic (n=john@75.111.189.11) joined ##slackware. [11:11] 5 minutes to go [11:11] \o/ [11:11] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:11] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: SendQ exceeded [11:12] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [11:15] user51 (n=kid@117.207.52.132) joined ##slackware. [11:16] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-cblbjtmjhuloviid) left irc: [11:17] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-176-085.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [11:17] nachox (n=imarambi@190.216.26.210) joined ##slackware. [11:17] should i use the seven install DVD to repair the windows bootloader ? my windows partition is very important, and i can't work without her [11:19] well.. i have to go, ill be back [11:19] nikname056 (i=51fcb5a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-rmriilzhjcvrvwrq) left irc: "Page closed" [11:19] Axius (n=fd@92.85.16.101) joined ##slackware. [11:20] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [11:26] _bruno (n=bruno@189-47-244-71.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:28] bye. [11:28] her? [11:28] i can only hope he doesn't. [11:29] apparently windows is a feminine noun [11:29] lol [11:30] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [11:31] ienh (n=ienh@ARennes-353-1-72-221.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:32] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD891B7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:34] i have problem with iptable firewall , it's blocking httpd ( on port 8080) [11:34] i have created a iptables firewall script to allow httpd but it doesn't works initially ,i have to restart firewall to gt website working [11:34] restarting firewall Allowing trafic which is already established [11:34] Channel flood from user51 -- kicking [11:34] (iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT) how to make it working without firewall restart [11:34] user51 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [11:34] user51 (n=kid@117.207.52.132) joined ##slackware. [11:35] http://pastebin.com/ [11:35] if it's long [11:35] pastebin.slackadelic.com [11:35] though i should have probably read it first, it seems it isn't output [11:36] yeah , [11:36] there is pastebinlink of output also [11:37] user51: pastebin your iptables script and i'll fix it. [11:37] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [11:37] links : http://pastebin.com/d29f19edd [11:37] you got kicked after the 4th line [11:38] spook, http://pastebin.com/d70ec377 [11:39] user51: you only need to -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT [11:39] ok [11:39] also, -A INPUT -i localnetworkinterface -j ACCEPT [11:41] how to gt it working without firew restart ? [11:41] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [11:41] user51: other than that i dont see any problems with it [11:41] okay [11:42] yasu (n=adminroo@tetkyo039020.tkyo.te.ftth2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) left irc: "leaving" [11:42] after starting the script, can you pastebin a iptables-save for me? [11:42] okay [11:44] i see it :) [11:45] user51: where are you trying to connect to it from, thats failing? [11:45] arno__ (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Connection timed out [11:45] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hMrY8jysdg [11:46] spook, http://pastebin.com/d10afc74e , i m hosting web t own computer [11:47] user51: no, where are you trying to access it FROM [11:49] access my computer - local , access web hosted on it throw proxy :-s [11:49] akSeya (i=User@201.21.160.67) left irc: "Leaving" [11:49] that makes no sense. [11:49] trying to access wat ? [11:50] user51: you are running the webserver on computer X. you are on computer Y trying to access the webserver on X. is X the same computer as Y ? [11:51] yeah thats wat i was trying to say "access my computer - local" sorry some time i can't explain * [11:51] x=y [11:51] no ssh [11:52] right now is it working? [11:52] but website only works when i restart firewall it works because when i restart there is script which make it working "# [11:52] iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT" [11:53] ... [11:53] it doen't works by default [11:54] user51: i suggest you practice your english more before coming back and asking again. there is nothing wrong with your iptables script that i can see. [11:54] k :s [11:54] Dimitrije (n=ejirtimi@79.101.162.106) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:01] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn193.78-99-76.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [12:05] user51, try thisiptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -i ppp0 -j ACCEPT [12:05] or change the port on it to 8080 [12:05] whatever your after [12:05] Scuzz: http://pastebin.com/d10afc74e line 9 [12:05] Scuzz: pay attention. [12:08] yep sorry bout that [12:08] i actually dont see why its not working [12:08] john_dee (n=id@93-81-137-84.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:12] his site is working for me [12:13] as i said, theres nothing wrong with the iptables script. [12:14] k case closed [12:14] lol [12:16] co^kesepian (n=Administ@202.152.172.4) joined ##slackware. [12:16] Scuzz: i'm awesome like that. [12:16] hahha [12:16] co^kesepian (n=Administ@202.152.172.4) left ##slackware. [12:16] Guest92749 (i=default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Client Quit [12:17] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:17] could it be that maybe hes not pointing his own browser to port 8080 [12:17] its the only think that makes sense to me [12:17] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95.27.60.246) joined ##slackware. [12:18] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:18] i think its not the script, but his failure to use it, his computer, the webserver and the web browser. [12:19] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:19] can anyone tell me how to print all columns except of the first with awk? [12:19] user51 (n=kid@117.207.52.132) left irc: "Leaving" [12:19] lol, nvm, googled it [12:20] ruben23 (n=RPL@122.55.48.243) joined ##slackware. [12:21] hi [12:21] hi [12:21] hola [12:22] hows it going [12:25] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:26] its going [12:26] :) [12:27] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:27] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [12:29] hola que tal? [12:29] english only. [12:30] no [12:30] fhobia (n=fhobia@67.188.69.121) joined ##slackware. [12:31] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@nat-165-91-12-83.tamulink.tamu.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:32] startkde says: $DISPLAY not set or cannot connec to x server. However I can do startx and my fluxbox loads without a hitch. [12:32] Axius: Try ##slackware-es [12:32] SuN (i=default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:32] slackytude (n=slacky@141.100.40.82) joined ##slackware. [12:32] hasta luego hermanos! [12:32] Axius (n=fd@92.85.16.101) left ##slackware. [12:33] k [12:34] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-136.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:34] mernill (n=chatzill@h-223-74.A258.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:35] Behold! Thy god, emperor and all around nice guy has arrived. Bow your sorry heads for mernil! [12:36] Also master chef and so forth :-) [12:36] thx [12:36] shut up [12:36] lol [12:36] :( [12:36] thrice`: what.. shut up? YOu must be puniched [12:37] mernill, have you seen thrice`? he's been punished enough [12:37] mernill: Give him a good spankin'. He'll love that. [12:37] jeev: oki [12:37] puniched jeev [12:37] you'll lern2reed eventually :) [12:37] hukt on fonix wirkt fir mee! [12:38] anyone see jermain taylor get his ass handed to him by arthur abraham [12:38] wtf [12:38] every time I try to upgrade to a new slackware version, something goes wrong and I end up reinstalling everything from scratch. It definitely seems to be going that way this time around too. [12:38] thrice`: i think you should learn to pay respect for the elders [12:38] cryptic0: did you follow the upgrade guide? [12:38] cryptic0: Read UPGRADE.TXT and CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT. [12:38] mernill: it was nice knowing you. [12:39] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [12:39] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:39] like my self and rest of the eliteforce in this channel :-) [12:39] mernill, how fast is your internet [12:40] mernill: Truly you suffer from delusions of adequacy. [12:40] jeev: hm.. 10 Mbit [12:40] that's it ? [12:40] mm [12:40] you're in sweden and you only have 10 megs? [12:40] mernill has a nice history :) before noobfarm unfortunately [12:40] :-) [12:40] http://machinarium.net/demo/ [12:41] jeev: i dont download so much .. it's fine with me [12:41] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Connection timed out [12:41] he made arthur king! [12:41] wait [12:41] that was merlin [12:42] slackytude: mernil!!!!! [12:42] ... [12:42] slackytude: suffering lysdexia? [12:42] you cock :-) [12:42] :( [12:42] sorry for that word! I appology! [12:43] mernill: too late. [12:43] mernill: now how is that language assisting to the enquiring minds in here? spare it [12:43] spook, Alan_Hicks: Yes, I did. the upgrade is fine for the most part, but I have problems starting kde or enlightenment and I have lost sound. [12:43] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:43] cryptic0: what version did you upgrade to/from? [12:43] I actually upgraded from 12.1 [12:43] to what? [12:44] 13 :) [12:44] unsupported. [12:44] did you remove all the non-slackware packages? [12:44] yes I know. Also, I think I made the mistake of using 12.1 kernel config to roll my custom 2.6.29.6 [12:44] why unsupported ? [12:44] SuN (i=default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:44] what are non-slackware packages? [12:45] SuN (i=default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:45] bbl [12:45] mernill (n=chatzill@h-223-74.A258.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]" [12:45] cryptic0: this is all information in UPGRADE.TXT and CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [12:45] but you had to read 12.2 [12:45] 's too [12:46] 12.1->12.2->13.0 [12:46] yeah. I didn't go that way. [12:46] so I guess I have to bite the bullet and reinstall from scratch. [12:46] cryptic0: i am no surpised you have broken things. [12:46] hm . I am upgraded from 12.1 to 13.1 without a problems) [12:47] *13.0 [12:47] 12.1 -> 13 should be relatively OK [12:47] was about to say... [12:47] wertik_rus: yes but you probably followed the instructions [12:47] 13.1 doesn't exist yet hehe [12:47] i know) [12:47] garme (n=garme@201009111188.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:47] i am wrong) [12:47] the upgrade.txt said to remove obsolete packages, but I didn't know which ones they were. [12:48] spook , yes of course [12:48] slackpkg has an option for "remove-crap" or something [12:48] clean I think [12:48] slackpkg clean-system [12:48] :) clean-system, maybe? [12:48] ah, wasn't aware of that. [12:48] cryptic0: the CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT mentions those [12:48] the obsolete packages [12:48] oh [12:49] ok my bad then. [12:49] sahko: more evidence he didn't read the instructions [12:49] lol [12:49] hints file was too long, I got lazy [12:49] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [12:49] heh) [12:50] cryptic0: allow me to introduce you to failure. your laziness will make you two good friends. [12:50] slackware might not be right for you [12:50] anyone here that has experience with snort pass rules? i'm wondering if I can add several ports on the same rule using csv, or if I need to add a new rule for every port [12:50] garme_ (n=garme@201008100050.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:50] spook, thanks :) [12:52] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:52] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [12:53] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [12:53] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [12:54] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. 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[13:03] o/ [13:03] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [13:03] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-176-085.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:04] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-129-89.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [13:04] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95.27.60.246) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:04] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-60-246.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:05] what's up guys? [13:05] ? [13:05] not much [13:05] Im trying to do something useful [13:05] on the other hand I could just watch ghost in the shell [13:05] mmm... I just took an how shower and read a little C :P [13:06] oy C \o/ [13:06] Nick change: powtrix -> powtr|x [13:06] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix [13:06] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [13:06] hmm GitS [13:06] Action: pprkut goes watching as well... [13:07] Nick change: powtrix -> powtr|x [13:07] rachael (n=nnnnrach@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:07] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix [13:08] slackytude, I read something about input/output format [13:08] rachael (n=nnnnnrac@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:08] metrofox, yes? [13:08] yaa [13:08] what do you mean by input / output format? [13:08] you mean formating output? [13:09] like printf flags? [13:09] slackytude, yes, flags etc.. [13:09] ah [13:09] yeah, thats pretty hardcore in C [13:09] can be evil [13:09] retsudo (n=retsudo@76.174.219.13) joined ##slackware. [13:12] slackytude, :P It's very useful =) [13:13] plasmic__ (n=fffff@212.183.134.208) joined ##slackware. [13:14] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:16] yes, and beware, printf is a source of many an overflow [13:16] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:17] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: "Leaving" [13:17] mancha, that's true =) [13:17] att needs to die [13:17] my pants smell like whiskey [13:18] it's amazing how all big business are still screwing the country [13:18] spook, does your pene drink? [13:18] nigo (i=kriger@direkt.mtveurope.org) joined ##slackware. [13:18] it's like the bailout and other stuff wasn't enough [13:18] metrofox, why assume spook has a pene? [13:18] jeev, that's a supposition... [13:18] metrofox: i spilt it while refilling my hipflask [13:18] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.86.117) joined ##slackware. [13:19] i have a dedicated linux server. how do i access the GUI remotely? [13:19] nigo, what gui? [13:19] nigo, ssh? [13:19] nigo: any one of numerous ways. [13:19] nigo, i know what you mean but your language is imprecise [13:19] vlab (i=1000@85.196.101.82) joined ##slackware. [13:19] nigo: vnc for example. [13:19] uh... GUI [13:19] :P [13:19] Hi, is flash disabled by default with some compilation flag with a official slackbuild ? [13:20] jeev:KDE [13:20] like --disable=flash [13:20] you could use vnc, i dunno how scure it is [13:20] you could look for nxserver [13:20] encrypted, fast.. [13:20] vlab, no [13:20] vlab, compilation of what? [13:20] you mean firefox? or what? [13:20] vlab: there is no flash, you have to install it. its in /extra [13:20] the source code of firefox/mozilla bundle [13:20] its in extra :D Thank you [13:21] vlab, firefox is opensource and comes from mozilla, flash that you refer to probably means adobe flash (ex macromedia) which is closed source and a differnt company [13:21] yes [13:21] mancha: the question was answered.. [13:22] spook won :D [13:22] flash in /extra sense when ? [13:23] deco: 13.0 release [13:23] since its been put there [13:23] metrofox, did you write anything in C? [13:23] slackytude, yes my name.. [13:24] like printf("my name"); ? [13:24] printf("Antonio\n"); [13:24] ah [13:24] eheheh :P [13:24] one of my first ever projects was an irc client in C [13:24] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: "leaving" [13:24] it sucked [13:24] but it was fun [13:24] nono, I'm joking... Nothing in particular, just some exercise joking with various headers and functions [13:24] I remember doing a quickie in-place string reversal using pointers - but that's about as advanced as I got in C [13:24] lol, tcl would be better [13:25] spook, they're different :D [13:25] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [13:25] didnt know tcl back then, was still using windows and MSVS 6 [13:25] ah [13:25] did the irc client include all the socket code? [13:25] yeppers [13:25] hardcore [13:25] oh god. [13:25] no libraries for me [13:25] fun - sockets in C [13:25] even worse [13:25] winsocks [13:25] har har [13:25] or POSIX [13:25] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-60-246.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:25] doh! [13:26] and when I did start with GUI's i didnt use MVC or whatever, just the win32 api [13:26] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-60-246.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:26] which is horrible [13:26] heh [13:26] I'm completely a beginner [13:26] played around with directx as well [13:27] version 7 or something [13:27] metrofox: i'm working on kernel code, toughen up. [13:27] spook, whacha doing? [13:27] #linuxpmi [13:27] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-129-89.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:27] slackytude, why didn't you develope it on linux? [13:27] metrofox, I am now. that was back in the days when I had hair [13:28] like, in an age long forgotten [13:28] slackytude, LOL [13:28] with more civilised weapons [13:28] glacial era? [13:28] totfl [13:28] *rotfl [13:28] roughly [13:28] hehehe [13:28] slackytude: i got the joke [13:28] spook, just tell me [13:28] spook, ^-^ [13:28] slackytude: tell you what [13:29] spook, what kernel vodoo you cook up [13:29] process migration [13:29] troys (n=troys@68.165.100.2) joined ##slackware. [13:29] ah [13:29] spook, threads...? [13:29] thats certainly ambitious [13:29] looked into plan9 or erlang? [13:30] the process state + memory [13:30] sajes (n=sajes@67.143.34.85) left irc: "back in a while, fixing crap." [13:30] Action: metrofox doesn't know what you 2 guys are talking about... :D [13:30] speaking of sockets, is the deadlock issue also relevant for 2.6.30.x or only 2.6.31.x? [13:30] deadlock what? [13:31] Action: Camarade_Tux waves at the channel [13:31] Action: metrofox waves too... He's so scared! [13:31] plan9 is a great experimental OS, erlang is a fancy, if weird language optimised for multi processing and stuff [13:31] slackytude: you've lost your hair? ='( [13:31] Camarade_Tux, well [13:31] Camarade_Tux, not yet [13:32] phewww [13:32] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Frisur [13:32] slackytude: you said "har har" earlier and irssi thought you were calling my nick :) [13:32] har, oh, sorry mate [13:32] Camarade_Tux, know it [13:32] haha, all good, I just thought it was funny [13:32] slackytude: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linuxpmi [13:33] har, your nick is so "generic" :D [13:33] slackytude: was listening to it two days ago ;) actually I listened to quite a lot of their albums two days ago :D [13:33] har: take me, who could write my nick by error? :P [13:33] although I should /nick to 182639f8dcce19c7622e74594adca2f4 [13:33] (thanks dbus-uuidgen) [13:34] Camarade_Tux, die beste band der welt [13:34] genau ;) [13:34] ^-^ [13:34] good point Camarade_Tux but I chose it because my friends have called me that most of my life [13:34] o_O [13:34] first name is Harley [13:34] oh [13:34] k [13:35] hey mr. deco :P [13:35] Action: Camarade_Tux was wondering if har stood for Haar :D [13:35] metrofox: :P [13:35] lol [13:35] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-60-246.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [13:37] slackytude: I guess I haven't told yet you not to use pythong bindings made with gobject-introspection, I'm almost sure they're unreliable [13:37] Camarade_Tux, no, you havent [13:37] 7WdWp [13:37] Camarade_Tux, but I wouldnt anyway [13:37] Camarade_Tux, nice pass [13:38] wtf... I gotta buy bread... I'm in pyjama, my mom just told me -.-" [13:38] hmm, that oven is too powerful, it almost burnt my pizza [13:39] metrofox, great fun ^-^ [13:39] metrofox: insist on the fact you're in pyjama -_- [13:39] 200 on foot -.-" [13:39] pyjama at this hour? [13:39] Camarade_Tux, just done, nothing changes... She told me to wear jeans... [13:39] slackytude: yeah, he was naked with Shirley just before that and didn't want to dress again -_- [13:39] slackytude, it's 19:40... I buy bread now and t 20:30 we eat :D [13:40] metrofox: go buy bread in pyjamas ^^ [13:40] metrofox, my point, its 19:30 and you are in a pyjama [13:40] Camarade_Tux, he is not in france [13:40] Camarade_Tux, no, there's the salesgirl's daughter... I like her :D [13:40] people might object to him running around in pyjamas in italy [13:40] slackytude: I said in pyjamas, not in pyjamas with a beret -_- [13:40] slackboy, I'm too slack to wear jeans now... :P [13:41] hmm, still not getting flash in firefox.. there wasnt much under /extra ive tried and copied to /usr/lib/firefox etc but stilll doesnt work [13:41] Camarade_Tux, lol [13:41] vlab, you copied it? [13:41] I mean... Pyjama is more comfortable [13:41] http://www.bigart.co.uk/kirk/images/Onionseller_large.JPG [13:41] haha [13:41] lol... that's a baguette though [13:42] vlab: to /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.1/plugins? [13:42] vlab: also, slackware 32Bit, right? [13:42] metrofox: hmmm, true, what bread would you buy? [13:43] Camarade_Tux, 4 panini bianchi = 3 rimacinatini + 1 rosetta :P [13:43] yes [13:43] panini bianchi = white breads.. [13:43] rimatinatini & rosetta are sub-genre :P [13:43] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: "leaving" [13:44] stickyboy (n=hugo@196.202.206.167) joined ##slackware. [13:44] well... see ya 5 mins max :P [13:44] o/ [13:45] (20 interminable metres of street -.-") [13:46] thx [13:46] vlab (i=1000@85.196.101.82) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:46] he got his problem solved? :o [13:47] and so vlab has gone... [13:47] my coffee is going the same way [13:47] :> [13:47] acidchild: I'm not talking to you... as soon as I do.. you disappear for a few weeks! :P [13:48] did vlad go to the stomac? [13:48] acidchild: thanks, I was forgetting the beerù! [13:48] *stomach [13:48] -.- see ya [13:48] aigon (n=ojof@92.84.0.162) joined ##slackware. [13:48] Dominian: i'm here :) [13:48] argh, no bottle opener :o [13:48] acidchild: Yeah I know you are hehe [13:48] use your teeth [13:48] gonna have a few cigs and teh rest of my coffee before i head out [13:48] acidchild: btw.. dubstep is still RUNNING [13:49] acidchild, to work? [13:49] lolzz [13:49] Dominian: septic iz back up btw too [13:49] acidchild: yeah I see that [13:49] :> [13:49] slackytude: uh, naw. [13:49] acidchild: You going to transfer your DNS over to there or just keep it where it is for now? [13:49] Camarade_Tux, http://www.betrunkene-dekorieren.de/index.php?inhalt=1000.php [13:49] where it is for now. [13:49] Action: Dominian nods [13:49] i dont have time for computers atm...sucks.. [13:49] hehe [13:50] oh well! :< [13:51] slackytude: hahaha, went for a knife [13:51] Which group should I be in for wicd on 13.0? [13:51] Perl = Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister [13:52] stickyboy, "netdev" [13:52] thrice`: I know it says that... but does it really work? :) [13:52] no, it doesn't [13:52] Dominian: what you been up to? [13:53] hrm [13:53] when I open my vpn connection, my irc drops [13:53] slackytude: http://www.betrunkene-dekorieren.de/index.php?inhalt=9.php ^^ [13:53] cos port 6667 is filtered [13:53] slackytude: add static routes in then :D [13:53] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:53] Camarade_Tux, yeah, thats not easy [13:54] acidchild, good idea [13:54] acidchild, any hints? [13:54] like, a direct route to freenode? [13:55] Action: metrofox is back [13:55] route add freenode gw ? [13:55] yep [13:55] ip route add freenode via gateway dev eth0 [13:55] http://dutron.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/biere-du-demon-33.jpg [13:55] _bruno_ (n=bruno@189-47-241-30.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:55] acidchild: Just working.. [13:55] acidchild: busy busy busy [13:56] indeed... me two [13:56] acidchild, will this break my connection? Id assume TCP can handle that [13:56] slackytude: wont break nothing [13:56] :> [13:56] Camarade_Tux, 12% [13:56] Camarade_Tux, looks nice as well [13:56] http://www.betrunkene-dekorieren.de/index.php?inhalt=20.php ^^ [13:56] Camarade_Tux, tasty? [13:57] slackytude: gimme a second, the knife was dirty and right now it tastes what was on the knife >< [13:57] Camarade_Tux, why is it called Demon? looks like saturn to me [13:57] slackytude: for the 12% most probably [13:57] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_Devouring_His_Son [13:58] pircUser (n=myIdent@78.144.106.124) joined ##slackware. [13:58] pircUser (n=myIdent@78.144.106.124) left ##slackware ("Bye!"). [13:58] route add freenode.org gw 192.168.0.1 dev eth0 [13:58] SIOCADDRT: No such process [13:59] ahh, ignore that [13:59] if you can still hear me that is [13:59] slackytude: yeah, tastes good enough althought I still prefer a Fischer [13:59] fischer? [13:59] Action: slackytude opens vpn [14:00] slackytude: google returned http://beerandnews.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/jenna_fisher_sexy.jpg [14:00] and it only costs a few euros [14:01] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:01] Action: slackytude closes vpn [14:01] pircUser (n=myIdent@78.144.106.124) joined ##slackware. [14:01] hrm, vpn will still eat all my irc packets [14:01] they have special trained gremlins for that [14:01] woo-hoo! just trying out new irc plasmoid ... v sweet [14:02] Camarade_Tux, what does? [14:02] pircUser, fire|bird? [14:02] slackytude: you need to 'dig irc.freenode.net' and add one of them ips [14:02] route add freenode.org gw 192.168.0.1 dev eth1 [14:02] you can't add a round robin full of ips to your route automatically [14:02] no, its a new (still in beta) widget for irc...pretty well done [14:02] acidchild, it wont resolve dns? [14:03] http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/IRC+plasmoid?content=108428 [14:03] indeed [14:03] damnit [14:03] kiyoura (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:03] as soon as I want to move away from kde, something new turns up I have to try [14:03] I curse thee mightly, kde [14:04] slackytude: What do you have in mind? [14:04] prob first widget ive been impressed with for a while :-p [14:04] stickyboy, in mind? [14:05] slackytude: Sorry, I read that wrong. :) [14:05] dig freenode.org [14:05] dig: parse of /etc/resolv.conf failed [14:05] ..... [14:05] gah [14:05] that's better [14:05] http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/3a1h-nLYylw/Oktoberfest+2008+Opening/LQDKidp6tuQ/Helene+Fischer ^^ [14:05] pircUser (n=myIdent@78.144.106.124) left ##slackware ("Bye!"). [14:05] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:05] slackytude: http://justbeer.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/fischer.jpg notice the opening system [14:06] Camarade_Tux, I was getting confused about wtf you were talking [14:06] slackytude: many people often get :D [14:06] Camarade_Tux, yeah, beer with that is fine. there is a local brew with that here as well [14:06] braustübl [14:07] with the obligatory dots above otherwise innocent chars, like ü [14:07] i got two .5 litre of those in the fridge. those are very convinient for storing liquir after you're done with the bear [14:07] if memory serves me correct the content was decent [14:08] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-125-203.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:08] /s/bear/beer [14:08] slackie (n=x@cb-217-129-169-162.netvisao.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:08] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:08] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [14:08] Action: slackie hi there \o [14:08] Camarade_Tux, http://www.darmstaedter.de/index.php?r_id=6 [14:09] why is this coffee making me feel high [14:09] :/ [14:09] sahko: of fischer oder braustübl? [14:09] SEPULLOCO (i=1000@200-100-219-5.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:09] hi slackie [14:09] \o [14:09] acidchild: http://www.drugs-plaza.com/recipescannabisandcoffee.htm ? [14:10] Ive been there once one a beer tasting. or how do you call it when you go around the place and get offered samples [14:10] Camarade_Tux: yeah that. although i am not a fan of beers, i like blonde ones the best [14:10] i've not smokeda nything today [14:10] heh [14:10] _bruno (n=bruno@189-47-244-71.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:10] Who the hell is Helene Fischer? [14:10] Nick change: _bruno_ -> _bruno [14:10] wow http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/CoffeeShopMaastricht.JPG [14:10] acidchild, route add 140.211.166.123 gw 192.168.0.1 dev eth1 ? [14:10] rogersman2 (n=myIdent@78.144.106.124) joined ##slackware. [14:11] stickyboy: dunno but she looks great and drinks beer ^^ [14:11] She uses Slackware? [14:11] ip route add 140.211.166.123 via 192.168.0.1 dev eth0 [14:11] uh i mean eth1 [14:11] Yeah she's hot. [14:11] she uses slackware and drinks beer, sure she's not a tranny? :) [14:11] acidchild, yours gives me a syntax error I think [14:11] troys (n=troys@68.165.100.2) left irc: "Leaving" [14:11] He's hot. [14:11] why [14:11] acidchild, no "via" [14:12] inet_route [-vF] add {-host|-net} Target[/prefix] [gw Gw] [metric M] [14:12] IP [14:12] not 'route'!! [14:12] 'ip route' [14:12] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [14:12] what ever happened to copy and paste?? [14:12] mancha: lol ^^ [14:13] Camarade_Tux: sounds good :P [14:13] i had shroom and weed turkey on thanks giving [14:13] was good. [14:13] the stuffing and the basting... [14:13] acidchild, aint that the same? besides I get "exists" now [14:13] slackytude: indeed. [14:13] slackytude: no, ip != route [14:13] ip route list dev eth1 [14:14] acidchild, what is "route" doing then. It must route ip [14:14] retsudo (n=retsudo@76.174.219.13) left irc: "Leaving" [14:14] route is part of the 'ifconfig' set of tools [14:14] hmmmm, listening to NoFX, I've been disgusted to learn they made a live performance last year, I heard about it too late ='( [14:14] with imho are for retards. [14:15] iproute2 has 'ip' 'tc' and a few other applications [14:15] Action: Dominian uses the retard tools! [14:15] Action: slackytude does as well [14:15] more flexable, scriptable. [14:15] Action: acidchild slaps Dominian [14:15] I tried using ip [14:15] you should know better ;/ [14:15] from iproute2 [14:15] wasnt ip supposed to replace ipconfig like ten years back [14:15] and I missed a NoFX live, I may never see one ='( [14:15] slackytude: yep [14:15] I will learn iproute2 someday [14:15] whatever happended to that [14:15] iproute2 is awesome0 [14:16] SEPULLOCO (i=1000@200-100-219-5.dial-up.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [14:16] while that may be true, it looks like I already did that command, albeit with a different tool [14:16] So were bell bottoms back in the day [14:16] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:16] in other words, its not yet working and I wonder why [14:16] because that route exists [14:16] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [14:16] troys (n=troys@68.165.100.2) joined ##slackware. [14:17] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [14:17] ifconfig can't add multi ips to the same interface ether... from what i know [14:17] let's start over. I should add a static route to freenode, via 192.168 and eth1 [14:17] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.82.11) left irc: Connection timed out [14:18] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:18] Action: slackytude opens VPS [14:18] eh [14:18] you should delete the interupting rule first. [14:18] rule or rules... i can't see your routing table so i wouldn't know. [14:18] which interupting rule? thats my default gw [14:18] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:18] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:18] good idea, let me paste it [14:18] Nick change: yesyes -> Guest10354 [14:19] ip route list dev eth1 [14:19] ;] [14:19] j0z (n=JESUS@201.47.22.250.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:19] my girlfriend emailed me just now to 'shake her fake blood in the fridge' [14:19] wtf does this girl get up to when i'm not home... [14:19] http://pastebin.org/46238 [14:20] acidchild, you really want to know? [14:20] acidchild: Well, at least find comfort in the fact that it's *fake* blood. :P [14:20] sure its *fake* blood [14:20] ? [14:20] fire|bird: indeed, its in a ketchup bottle too [14:20] fire|bird, great minds think alike [14:20] acidchild, http://pastebin.org/46238 [14:20] slackytude: indeed they do. :) [14:20] firedix (n=firedix@host125.201-252-151.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:21] and when you start your VPN how does it cut out [14:21] acidchild: Does she act any differently under a full moon? :P Any vampire-esque tendencies? :P [14:21] that table looks fine. does your VPN reroute your traffic? [14:21] Nick change: Guest10354 -> yesyes [14:21] fire|bird: a few yes. [14:21] acidchild, this is the table without VPN [14:21] try with [14:22] acidchild, if I start openvpn, it will replace my default route [14:22] acidchild, any irc packets never come back [14:22] fraktil (n=fraktil@pool-96-248-230-121.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:22] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [14:22] there are gremlins -_- [14:22] gnomes :o [14:22] Action: slackytude opens VPN [14:22] slackytude: http://blackcore.net/~ash/iprules.txt [14:22] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: ""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts."" [14:22] Nick change: phoenix^ -> fire|bird [14:22] please dont cry. but please read. [14:24] your default route needs to be your NAT gateway, but you also need another default gateway for your vpn endpoint to reroute traffic. [14:24] you need to use routing tables and lookup routes. [14:24] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: SendQ exceeded [14:25] Action: slackytude writes during VPN session [14:25] slackytude (n=slacky@141.100.40.82) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:25] slackytude (n=slacky@141.100.40.82) joined ##slackware. [14:25] http://pastebin.org/46239 [14:26] acidchild, http://pastebin.org/46239 [14:26] yes your tap0 doesn't know how to connect to the internet [14:26] acidchild, it does [14:26] not it doesn [14:26] acidchild, it eats only IRC [14:27] special trained gremlins [14:27] ' [14:27] browsing and email is fine [14:27] plenty of other things, once you reboot :P [14:27] but why didnt the route not work [14:28] err, why did it not work? [14:28] if you traceroute does it go computer -> router -> IRC? [14:28] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [14:28] your default is via tap0 i dont see how this is posible. [14:28] it looks like it should use eth1 to get to freenode, no? [14:28] they can just drop port 6667 [14:28] easy [14:29] telnet to 4.2.2.2 port 53 via your tap0 then [14:29] telnet -b 172.16.4.x 4.2.2.2 53 [14:29] telnet? [14:30] are we back to the 90's now [14:30] like i said, read that txt file i sent you [14:31] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@216.145.101.109) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [14:31] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.82.11) joined ##slackware. [14:31] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@216.145.101.109) joined ##slackware. [14:31] what am I supposed to get with that? [14:32] understanding how the kernel deals with packets and issues with routing via vpn [14:32] frankjones (n=mike@203.88.90.202) joined ##slackware. [14:32] bugs and limitations [14:32] slackie (n=x@cb-217-129-169-162.netvisao.pt) left irc: "Papaver Somniferum" [14:32] HI, how do I find out which processor/core a process has been assigned to ? [14:32] fjji (n=ojof@92.85.223.153) joined ##slackware. [14:33] jinjii (n=alpha@93-45-87-218.ip101.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [14:35] does anybody know how to flash cell phone memory? [14:35] slackytude (n=slacky@141.100.40.82) left irc: "Leaving" [14:35] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A76443.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:36] does the phone run Slackware? [14:37] no [14:37] i dont then [14:37] sahko you don't either way [14:37] lol, eeebuntu droping the ubuntu in favor of debian :D [14:37] http://forum.eeebuntu.org/viewtopic.php?f=25&p=21118 [14:37] hm .. [14:38] cpunches (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:38] frankjones: a process isn't assigned a core, it might migrate [14:38] i have installed openSUSE on my girlfriends laptop, it kindda worked ok (more or less) [14:38] aigon (n=ojof@92.84.0.162) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:38] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC31292.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [14:38] thanks anyway [14:38] appart from a few things, so i installed slackware, and now othere things don't work that well [14:38] manning taskset now mr. tux [14:39] and she doesn't seem to like xfce .. [14:39] slackytude: ima nt trying to come accross as a prick... vpn routing took me a long time to get my head around and i still have to referrence till this day [14:39] rubbish basically [14:39] aigon (n=ojof@92.82.71.1) joined ##slackware. [14:39] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [14:39] slackytude: arp proxy you might find fixes your issues too... [14:39] i don't know weather it's better to put suse back on [14:39] slackytude: with is in sysctl just grep for 'arp' [14:39] or try to fix all the bits in slackware [14:39] i just got someone's diploma in the mail [14:40] 0_o [14:40] lolol [14:40] what i'm thinking also is about that being slack64, it could be more because of that [14:40] error_developer_: are you going to tell use what doesn't work? :P [14:40] someone with the same name as me but with a different middle name [14:41] and suse had amd64 port since amd started making athlon64 [14:41] wollw: it'll look nice on your résumé [14:41] Camarade_Tux: hm ..for example i had quite a few kernel panics, very sudden [14:41] sealed it up and I'm sending it back :) [14:41] error_developer_: hmmm, never had any [14:41] and it doesn't hibernate ;( [14:41] well, not any that wasn't my fault [14:41] Camarade_Tux: i'm talking about slackware64 [14:42] I *am* on slackware [14:42] 64 [14:42] even with an -rc kernel [14:42] 3 of my procs are at 1-7% usage.. one proc is over 90%. 3 processes are responsible for most of the proc load.. i suspect all 3 or at least 2 of them are piled on cpu3 which is the one at 90%... [14:42] also ..i know that getting gnome on slack is not quite cool [14:42] frankjones: that's probably good [14:42] error_developer_: and she doesn't like kde? [14:42] never had it working fine since gnome dissapeared form the main tree [14:43] Camarade_Tux: i think kde4 would be quite pleasent to her [14:43] Camrade_Tux why is it good that they are all piled up on one proce which is about to max out and will within the next hour degrading lighttpd's ability to respond [14:43] but we got radeonhd in that laptop [14:43] and kde looks really slow [14:43] error_developer_: too slow? you might still try fglrx [14:43] and one other problem that mplayer (as well as xine) plays really slow [14:44] error_developer_: graphic driver [14:44] i have 3 instances of lighttp running and I want to get them running on dif cores so the load is distributed [14:44] you can see that movie is kindda slow when redrawing in the fullscreen [14:44] frankjones: if it's running at 90%, there might be no reason to use more than one [14:44] Camarade_Tux: yeah, radeonhd driver hasn't got acceleration working at all [14:45] (except maybe caches but *that*, I hae no idea) [14:45] who was here installing fglrx not a day ago? [14:45] how did it went? [14:45] Camarade_Tux.. ohh and next you will tell me that when its at 100% there will still be no reason to utilize a different proc... [14:45] well, no there a very beta git version which is kindda supposed to have GLX, but that seems to be too beta atm [14:46] Camarade_Tux: i tried to install ati dirvers on opensuse and there it didn't work [14:46] Anakin (i=Anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [14:46] while ati make packages for opensuse [14:46] iirc [14:46] frankjones: as long as it's <=100% :P [14:47] Camarad_Tux you crazy... [14:47] error_developer_: but fglrx should work [14:47] frankjones: saves power among others [14:47] i just couldn't get xorg working with fglrx at all on suse [14:47] frankjones: if you have different processes, it should use cores as needed [14:47] fraktil (n=fraktil@pool-96-248-230-121.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:47] ok, it'll try .. [14:47] acause kde4 is really quite qute .. [14:48] frankjones: you definitely prefer that to windows which migrates processes several times per second and destroys your caches [14:48] Action: deco is using kde 3..5 [14:48] 3.5* [14:48] 3.5.10 :P [14:48] :P [14:48] the fasted D.E. in the world :P [14:48] yes :P [14:49] xfce is faster. :) [14:49] frankjones: why should it use several cores/processors since one isn't fully loaded? [14:50] fire|bird: kde 1.0 -_- [14:50] Action: Camarade_Tux feels like going to bed [14:50] 1.0, WHAT?!?!?! :P [14:50] I'm still developing DOS... [14:50] fire|bird: 0.1 ^^ [14:50] :P [14:50] oh god it's getting worse. :P [14:50] Camarade_Tux: I'm going to blame this insanity on the fact you are tired. :P [14:51] Camarade_Tux, what's the time in you country(France?)? [14:51] fire|bird: hahaha :P [14:51] metrofox: same as in yours ^^ [14:51] which means 8:51pm :D [14:51] lol [14:51] uh... and are you tired at 20:52? [14:51] :D [14:51] metrofox: old people have different needs -_- [14:51] That's really earlier to be tired. [14:51] Camarade_Tux, oh yeah... sorry... [14:52] fire|bird, ... he has different needs... [14:52] yay... no school tomorrow muha [14:52] metrofox: yeah, Camarade_Tux is an old, old man. However, with his age, wisdom didn't follow. :P [14:52] Camarade_Tux i don't think your argument has any merit [14:52] reasons to be tired: drank, ate, slept bad, not slept enough, would code an annoying thing otherwise [14:52] the most important one is prolly the last one [14:53] frankjones: but why should it use more than one core if one isn't fully loaded? [14:53] Camarade_Tux, let's also say you are really tired... [14:53] there would be no speed increase, only added power consumption [14:54] great, I boot a gentoo live dvd and the mouse doesn't work. :P [14:54] fire|bird, xorg.conf probably [14:54] fjji (n=ojof@92.85.223.153) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:54] http://noobfarm.org/index.php?id=1761 [14:54] for sure... I mean :D [14:54] fire|bird: how long does it take to boot? doesn't it recompile everything? :D [14:54] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn193.78-99-76.t-com.sk) left ##slackware ("good night"). [14:55] Dominian: ^^ [14:55] Dominian: lool nice [14:55] Camarade_Tux: ? [14:55] lol, keyboard doesn't work either. [14:55] acidchild: hehe [14:55] ohh umm one proc is at 100%... the others are at 1-7%... multiple lighttpd threads running on cpu3 which is now at 100%.. lets see.. why would i want to distribute the load when i could let my lighttpd processes start lag... hmm.. your argument is obviously cogent.. mine is obviously flawwed .. [14:55] Dominian: the noobfarm link [14:55] Camarade_Tux: ahh hehe [14:56] phzin (n=StupidX@189.57.19.89) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:56] frankjones: actually I'm still trying to find the argument in what you say, is there any problem with the processes using only one core? what would improve if each one was on a different core? [14:56] phzin (n=StupidX@189.57.19.89) joined ##slackware. [14:56] :O there's me on noobfarm.org :O [14:57] metrofox: you should be happy, it took me months to get there :D [14:57] Nick change: phzin -> Guest15665 [14:57] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:57] metrofox: thats life... -sigh- [14:57] =P [14:57] Camarade_Tux, I'm so happy... [14:57] atleast you dont sound like you wana put lil kids down your pants ;/ [14:57] oh crap thats gonna end up there too [14:57] Action: acidchild gives up [14:57] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@93.107.159.159) joined ##slackware. [14:58] Action: fire|bird noobfarm's what acidchild said. :P [14:58] ^^ [14:58] acidchild, it works, nay, it lives! [14:58] fire|bird: s/'// -_- [14:58] acidchild, thx mate [14:58] slackytude: :> [14:58] slackytude: gdgd [14:58] let me show you my routing table [14:58] ok, going to bed, you'll probably see me again in five minutes [14:58] k [14:58] which I assembled in a lab out of the parts of lesser tables [14:59] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [14:59] slackytude: hmmmm, show me your routing table :) [14:59] frankjones (n=mike@203.88.90.202) left ##slackware. [14:59] Camarade_Tux: enjoy relaxing your back [14:59] Action: acidchild curses computer chairs [14:59] acidchild: yeah, that too [14:59] Action: acidchild reads minds [14:59] Action: fire|bird reads words [14:59] 'geek issues' [14:59] ok, frankjones left, I still don't get why anything should use 25% of four cores rather than 100% of one core [15:00] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.124) left irc: "Leaving." [15:00] temp? [15:00] WoW is abit like the abusive parent of social geek issues [15:00] http://pastebin.org/46246 [15:00] tremble in phear [15:00] Wow, I'm trying gentoo live DVD, it'll only recognize and use a ps/2 mouse and keyboard. :P [15:01] mancha: might not be hotter, might even be cooler [15:01] fire|bird, they are always up to date [15:01] mancha: and power consumption is likely to be lower too [15:01] why would temp be lower with one core at 100% [15:01] slackytude: O.O [15:01] Man-erg (n=meck@93.40.100.30) joined ##slackware. [15:01] slackytude: with what, the Jeffersons? :P [15:01] LOL [15:01] the Jeffersons :D [15:01] you found a way, you found a way... [15:02] it probably is rule 14 [15:02] weezie [15:02] all others are just to show how badass Iam [15:02] kde4 default desktop. [15:02] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) joined ##slackware. [15:02] mancha: just saying there is no proof it would be in one way or another [15:03] well, good night all [15:03] acidchild, and yeah, giving route add -net irc.freenode.org gives whacky results [15:03] night Camarade_Tux [15:03] gn Camarade_Tux [15:03] night [15:04] Guest15665 (n=StupidX@189.57.19.89) left ##slackware. [15:04] someone asked for a reason and i suggested one possible one...i have no proof though, those things have billions of transistors in them, i have no clue how they work [15:04] slackytude: ip addr ; ip route > pastebin.org ? [15:05] fjji (n=ojof@92.84.27.52) joined ##slackware. [15:05] http://pastebin.org/46247 [15:05] troys (n=troys@68.165.100.2) left irc: "Leaving" [15:05] the advertising on here blows [15:06] omg, it can't even see a flash drive. :P [15:06] fire|bird: burn the dvd with fire!!! [15:06] well i suppose you have to use fire [15:06] *poof* [15:07] to burn something [15:07] yeah, burn would imply fire. :P [15:07] fire|bird: yes :P [15:07] _MaggoT_ (n=maggot@110.138.90.100) joined ##slackware. [15:07] duh! [15:07] slackytude: did you turn arp proxy on? [15:07] <_MaggoT_> clear' [15:07] fail [15:07] lol [15:07] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:07] acidchild, no, its a simple static route [15:07] fail' [15:07] route add -net 207.182.240.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.0.1 dev eth1 [15:08] <_MaggoT_> omg slackytude u still online o_O [15:08] yes, you seen what it has done though on the stack? [15:08] acidchild, he, I tried several versions before [15:08] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: [15:08] acidchild, the last one works [15:08] many ways to skin a cat. [15:08] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [15:09] # [15:09] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [15:09] 216.155.130.130 dev eth1 scope link [15:09] Channel flood from acidchild -- kicking [15:09] # [15:09] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@93.107.153.28) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:09] acidchild kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [15:09] lol [15:09] acidchild (n=ash@li88-140.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [15:09] wb acidchild [15:09] that's what you get for skinning cats [15:09] well, now I know the syntax, I just need a single command next time [15:09] i have to plugin my mouse to use middle click on this laptop and i manage to do it with the mouse pad by acident? where is the logic in this!!! [15:10] i have to tap a tune on the mouse pad to do this? or am i missing something here [15:11] acidchild, also, telnet sucks, real men use nc [15:11] or socat [15:11] as long as * > telnet [15:12] telnet is almost always there on a system [15:12] it works. [15:12] ;p [15:12] yes, its what you use if you have nothing else [15:12] desperate men will use their fingernails to dig [15:12] indeed [15:12] telnet is barely above that [15:12] _bruno_ (n=bruno@189-68-128-184.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:13] now, I forgot what I wanted to use theVPN for... [15:15] evo- (n=evo@p5B2FC6C7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:15] :D [15:16] routing all your traffic to hide yourself? :D [15:16] Nick change: alisonken1hom2 -> alisonken1home [15:16] nah, it was the FTP inside the VPN [15:17] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:17] and haveing irc at the same time [15:17] so your vpn was secondary to your main traffic? [15:17] garme_ (n=garme@201008100050.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [15:17] lol [15:17] I guess you could say so [15:17] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:18] ip route del default ; ip route add default via 192.168.1.1 dev eth1 [15:18] would have fixed it ;/ [15:18] no, then I wouldnt be able to reach FTP [15:18] _bruno (n=bruno@189-47-241-30.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:18] would have fixed it ;-P atleast SOCKS5 on the end and some /etc/profile exports. [15:18] but I have thought about replacing default routes [15:18] yah you can, just add a route for that subnet to the tap0 [15:18] no, it would not [15:18] :D [15:19] well, yes, but thats the same thing I do now [15:19] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.158.2.72.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:19] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [15:19] only in reverse. workload would have been the same [15:19] if you open a packetsniffer there is a chance your traffic is going around the tunnel not though it :] [15:19] except Id hadto change the openvpn config too [15:19] you can tell by the source/destination addy [15:20] I tried socks5 as well [15:20] Neek0 (n=Neek0@cpe-65-185-126-158.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:20] it eats irc packets as well [15:20] nylon? [15:20] huh? [15:20] aigon (n=ojof@92.82.71.1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:20] google 'nylon monkey.org' [15:21] Id rather not. that could give weird answers [15:21] oh well, pretty good socks daemon using libevent [15:21] Im using tsocks I think [15:21] tsocks is a wrapper. [15:22] oh, right, ssh socks [15:22] a great little wrapper btw [15:22] ssh ftw! [15:22] proxychains works for everything else..wrapper wise. [15:22] mancha: danta seems to understand more calls than tsocks...less errors. [15:23] hrmm, haven't had an issue with tsocks myself, though i don't use it - have merely tested with a few non-sockscapable apps [15:23] Neek0 (n=Neek0@cpe-65-185-126-158.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:23] you via a proxy 100% of the time? [15:23] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A77AD7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:23] great [15:23] it finally works and the connection drops [15:24] srecko (n=srecko@78.0.200.80) joined ##slackware. [15:24] ftp resume ftw [15:24] woo [15:25] ienh (n=ienh@ARennes-353-1-72-221.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "leaving" [15:25] plasmic__ (n=fffff@212.183.134.208) left irc: "Leaving" [15:25] you people heard? SCO will start to sue again [15:25] without the CEO dude [15:26] is the SCO thing ever gonna go away? [15:26] i never followed it, whats it even about? [15:26] they think they own linux [15:27] and want to get paid [15:27] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:27] SCO claims IBM introduced SCO code into linux [15:27] basically [15:27] because now its a succesful operating system...wanting a piece of the pie.. [15:27] you could still buy linux licenses last year [15:27] mmmm i see [15:28] Pat should get one [15:28] buy linux licenses? [15:28] claim1 - they own concepts in unix that were illegally put into linux by IBM so anyone running linux owes them $600/cpu usage fees - but only talk to them if you're a large company [15:28] oh wow [15:29] its the mother of all IP claims [15:29] evahrr! [15:29] has someone released forks of linux without the SCO code? [15:29] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [15:29] clami2 - IBM screwed them by putting code in linux that they own (since they _own_ unix) and ibm owes them $5Bu.s. (yes, a B) [15:29] which SCO code? nobody ever saw it [15:29] they must have highlighted all or most of the code in question for the case right? [15:30] It was the comments in a .h file. [15:30] claim3 - Novell sold them _all_ rights to unix, including patents and copyrights [15:30] That was their public "proof" [15:30] i see. [15:30] so far, proof has not been seen [15:30] you should check out growklaw or whatever [15:30] slackytude|evil, :O [15:31] why evil? [15:31] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [15:31] I thought SCO lost. [15:31] The ruling was that Novell still held copyright. [15:31] and went for chapter 11 [15:31] now, the law says otherwise, firstly some court didn't like SCO suing w/o disclosing what was stolen (allegedly) [15:31] Did that get overturned? [15:31] but they are back again [15:31] no, afaik [15:31] Motoko-chan: www.groklaw.net and browse around the litigation timeline page [15:31] secondly, a court ruled novell was the owner not sco, and novell later said it didn't wanna sue ibm or anyonte else as they don't feel any unix code made it into linux [15:32] so i am not sure why or how sco re-surfaced again. whoever mentioned this new suit, can you post a source? [15:32] novell told sco that IBM had a free pass, but SCO kept at it. IBM is still waitiing for their counterclaims to start hitting [15:32] I haven't followed that case in the last few years. [15:32] Motoko-chan, its just a rumor I think. heise.de reports the chapter 11 dude may sue again. not sure if its reliable [15:32] mancha: groklaw.net and browse the litigation history [15:32] give me a sec [15:33] wow [15:33] VPN makes browsing slow [15:33] ty * [15:33] The company is also looking to raise additional funding and sell non-core assets to bolster working capital. These actions will allow the Trustee to preserve cash and the value of the business while enabling the Company to proceed with asset sales, pursue litigation against, among others, IBM and Novell, and to continue supporting SCO's loyal UNIX customer base." [15:33] the posting this morning said President/CEO position was removed from SCO openings and D.McB. fired. Bankruptcy trustee has not put an end to the litigation, but is still reviewing what to do with sco [15:33] I for once feel supported [15:34] alisonken1home, aye [15:34] http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/SCO-vs-Linux-SCO-Konkursverwalter-entlaesst-SCO-Chef-Darl-McBride-833034.html [15:34] sco should reveal the code it claims was stolen [15:35] mancha: that didn't sit with mcbride - which is why sco is in chapter 11 [15:35] hell, if it was stolen, its already public (heard of kernel.org, folks?) so i don't get the continnued secrecy [15:35] alisonken1home, what didnt sit? [15:35] mancha: haha [15:35] mancha, that wouldnt really matter [15:36] mcbride stated he didn't want to post the actual proof until a full trial so those '... long-haired smelly's could reprogram Linux to work around what they owe us" (paraphrase) [15:36] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: "That's my story, and I'm sticking to it." [15:36] slackytude|evil ^^^ [15:37] alisonken1home, I see, does that idicate they will sue again, tho? [15:37] pursue litigation, I mean [15:37] they don't have the cash to finish the current lawsuit because IBM didn't fold and pay them $5B [15:38] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC31292.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:38] alisonken1home, they had some sales and are chapter 11 now [15:38] unix should have been smarter with its licensing structure. now it's too late, the free alternatives are moar better [15:38] bankruptcy trustee just took over a couple of weeks ago, so is still trying to figure out what to do with sco - with a possible change to chapter 7 [15:38] so, no zombie-sco then [15:38] you can all go back to work now [15:38] slackytude|evil: I follow groklaw pretty much every day :) [15:39] alisonken1home, heh [15:39] alicephilippa (i=alice@80.187.212.33) joined ##slackware. [15:39] no zombie-sco for now at least - still being worked on [15:39] john_dee (n=id@93-81-137-84.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [15:40] last I heard, sco was running the systems that calculated the housing prices and now want a bailout [15:40] i don't get it, didn;t the courts already decide novell owns the stuff not sco? [15:40] neonflux (n=neonflux@76.225.174.73) joined ##slackware. [15:40] last I heard, McDonalds cash registers run on sco unix, but they may be changing that [15:40] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A76443.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:40] also, mcbride should get a bonus [15:40] mancha - longer story than that. you have to follow the details [15:40] for working so hard [15:41] so what possible legal avenue do they have unless it is to contest ownership first then sue ibm et al second [15:41] and creating linux [15:41] alisonken1home: in NL at least, McD cash registers run Linux [15:41] mancha - again, it's in the details, and McB wasn't giving any details [15:41] mancha: somehow novel sold the rights to SCO without giving them everything. [15:42] you know, we might see something simliar with Fox News and them music companies as well. zombie litigation [15:42] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.2.116) joined ##slackware. [15:42] no - novell sold santa cruz operations the rights to modify unix to make sco unix, and McB decided that they own unix now [15:42] like, who is that dude who wants google et all to pay for accessing foxnews website? [15:42] yeah, alison, my interest doesn't even make it _near_ enough to read "the details" plus i am not concerned with legal mumbo-jumbo. these things have nutshell layman explanations though [15:42] Weird0ne (n=julianm@endeavor.jdrush.net) joined ##slackware. [15:42] the current sco is not the original santa cruz operations [15:42] which is what i am interested int [15:43] mancha don't have to read the legal mumbo jumob if you follow groklaw [15:43] the current sco is not the original santa cruz operations [15:43] aye [15:43] from all I hear, the original sco unix wasnt bad at all [15:43] alienBOB: at least your McD's got smart :) [15:43] didn't sco inherit though from att? [15:44] Rupert Murdoch [15:44] he'll probably start sueing google for stealing his content [15:44] mancha no - novell bought the att unix code, but due to att/bsd litigation, it was never fully determined full ownership due to att being a little loose with copyrights in the beginning [15:45] i'll have a $ /bin/mac join super-size fries [15:45] There was the whole BSD/USL lawsuit back in the 90s over that. [15:45] Those documents were made public a while back [15:45] sco bought a source code license that allowed them to modify unix and make their own version of unix, AND novell paid original sco a 5% collection fee for maintaining the current unix licenses for novell [15:46] and novell is kinda crappy in its own way [15:46] novell was in bed with msft no? [15:47] Still is [15:47] they also play a licensing game with MS now [15:47] not really _in bed_, but has patent agreements with ms [15:47] which resulted in mono ... [15:47] over linux [15:47] no - mono was started by deIcaza and novell hired him [15:47] yeah, and novel can sell MS solutions and licenses [15:47] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:48] adamk_ (n=adamk@c-68-45-151-98.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:48] ms can sell support for novell suse linux you mean [15:48] alisonken1home, yes, its pretty much a novell thing now. and MS and novell have cross-licenses now. It makes sense for both of them to be able to run same code on both platforms [15:48] that was a $$ agreement about 1-2 years ago that allowed MS to send novell money [15:49] well, or it did make sense at that time [15:49] except it doesn't work - since mono is not completely compatible with .net [15:49] novell diidnt really [15:49] novell diidnt really profit [15:49] How do I tell slapt-get to use a package from one repo instead of another? [15:49] no, it didn't make sense then and still not now [15:49] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [15:49] sounds like being in bed to me [15:49] alisonken1home, have you tried it? it runs amazingly well [15:49] MS also has various agreements with SUN. [15:49] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:49] stickyboy, you should use priority [15:50] I don't know if it works at all... [15:50] last time I tried suse was in 1994 [15:50] personally, I think the mono stuff is very impressive. [15:50] stickyboy, you don't [15:50] personally, I don't want the patent issues that mono creates [15:51] there are very few [15:51] hey thrice`, how are you? [15:51] until software patents are killed, I'll leave it alone [15:51] jemark (n=mark@62.143.39.202) joined ##slackware. [15:51] thrice`: I guess it's my fault for accidentaly mixing and matching repos. I'll install manaully. [15:51] slackytude|evil : all it takes is one [15:51] MS did open it [15:51] There is work to break apart the encumbered bits of Mono. [15:51] Which includes ASP.NET, WinForms, etc. [15:51] And all versions of the CLR newer than whatever ECMA has. [15:52] yeah [15:52] I think v3 is newest, but ECMA is back on v1. [15:52] slackytude|evil reread the specs - "covered specifications" does not cover the parts that ms decided to _not_ put in the written spec [15:52] fire|bird, OK, almost through the work day :) you? [15:52] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: "End Of Line..." [15:52] so its basically a set of two monos, one of it completly open. [15:52] Basically, MS kept all the parts developers want to themselves. [15:52] You can't legally use those parts without using MS. [15:52] not yet [15:52] well, yeah. but its gave a lot of stuff to mono and others as well [15:52] (2 parts, that is) [15:52] thrice`: great, thanks. I'm just messing with OpenBSD on the desktop, working to install xfce, but it seems to be stuck at orage. [15:53] explore (n=msparker@pool-173-57-92-51.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:53] http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/01/open-source-mono-framework-brings-c-to-iphone-and-wii.ars [15:53] Novell helps porting mono [15:54] isnt that ironic? [15:54] novell has a license to - I don't use suse [15:54] and apple has direct ties to ms as well [15:54] well, who hasnt? [15:55] it does show the flexibility of mono [15:55] didn't say mono wasn't flexible - I just don't want the hassle of possible litigation issues with ms due to the "covered specs" only clause [15:56] the stuff is pretty good. mono and c# are good languages. the fact that c# specification originated from MS doesnt make it bad [15:56] i wonder how well win7 is gonna due, by many accounts it is leagues above vista (some might say that doesn't say much but it might) [15:56] and they're insistence that linux infringes their patents - without saying which patents are infringed [15:56] s/due/do :> [15:56] http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/07/microsoft-issues-patent-promise-dispels-mono-concerns.ars [15:57] reread the patent promise - it's not a legally binding covenant [15:57] and it doesn't cover _all_ of mono [15:57] The name even sounds shady... "community promise" [15:57] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.86.117) left irc: Connection timed out [15:57] it is [15:57] haha [15:57] it is what? [15:57] The Community Promise is a legally binding commitment through which Microsoft pledges to not assert its patents against others who implement certain Microsoft standards and technologies. This means that developers can create their own interoperable versions without exposing themselves to the risk of patent infringement lawsuits from Microsoft. [15:58] where have you seen that it isnt? [15:58] slackytude|evil "... certain MS standards .." does not cover all of mono - because MS has not released the full .net framework as standard [15:59] retr0 (i=ion@diomedes.phear.cc) left irc: "leaving" [15:59] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.146.114) joined ##slackware. [15:59] otherwise there would not be a need to split mono into free and encumbered parts [15:59] alisonken1home, no, but they were very clear in what was free and what was not, essentialy creating a community edition and one with blobs in it. [16:00] slackware doesnt distribute mplayer-codecs for very much the same reason [16:00] slackytude|evil I've been following it as well - and in a little more depth that that [16:00] as does debian with the iceweasel [16:00] rogersman2 (n=myIdent@78.144.106.124) left irc: "yiasas" [16:01] slackytude|evil the other point is look how many microsoft partners are still living [16:01] then you can proivde a source ? [16:01] and I've been watching ms since before dos version 1.0 [16:01] alisonken1home, well, look where sco is now, an old novell partner [16:02] slackytude|evil don't need to - look at the "standards" that they have posted, and find the parts that are covered by the standard and the parts that are not [16:03] you havent giving me anything and now Im supposed to do the work to confirm your statments? Im far too lazy for that. lets just see how it plays out [16:03] slackytude|evil I'm supposed to be in bed, but basically, go to the iso/ecma standards pages and read the specs - [16:03] slackytude|evil no - you're supposed to read the standards that are covered by the documentation that _is_ standard [16:03] not by MS PR [16:04] .net is braindead why would any care two hoots about a free version of a mentally-challenged framework? [16:04] and that means reading the appropriate ISO/ECMA published standards [16:04] its ars techinca, but I remeber seeing in on the monoproject site too [16:04] blargh [16:04] esoteric (n=esoteric@c-67-186-216-208.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:04] mancha: is it really all that much worse than java? [16:04] again - you have to read the standards [16:04] (not that I'm a huge java fan either...) [16:04] i know, lots of braindead programmers like the boast their net creds but is that a good reason? [16:05] *their .net [16:05] Ive seen some terrible ugly C# code [16:05] and remember, a court of law will only go by what is in the written text first [16:05] .Net isn't bad [16:06] the great thing is that .Net can do more than c# [16:06] slackytude|evil: I've seen terribly ugly code in every language I've learned, all by itself that's not evidence of a crappy language [16:06] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [16:06] it does python, ruby, perl [16:06] as does mono, afaik [16:07] since I like python, that means I can target I really wide range of machines now [16:07] python is good [16:07] hm, isn't there already a native python for win32? [16:07] slackytude|evil and btw - until a standard is controlled by an independent organization, it's not standard [16:07] it's either python in cython, or IronPython running in MS .Net or Mono on IPhone or some Nokia stuff with Qt [16:08] alisonken1home, not really, what MS keeps isnt really that important. they did release their fancy VM which can run a lot of fancy stuff decently. let them keep winforms [16:09] srecko (n=srecko@78.0.200.80) left ##slackware. [16:10] slackytude|evil : until MS can release their control issues and actually try to work with everyone else, AND start proving it over the long haul, I'll leave it there [16:10] Urchlay, yes, there is [16:10] but at this time, they continue to play legal games, so I'm pretty much going to leave it alone [16:11] slackytude|evil: hm, how about a cross-platform GUI API, would that be wxPython? (soon enough I'll need to write a simple GUI app that runs on Linux and Windows, jury's still out on what language I use) [16:11] Urchlay, Qt [16:11] Urchlay, there is pyqt [16:11] What is the proper syntax for loading a module at boot in modprobe.d/*? [16:12] and nokia started their own python Qt project a while ago [16:12] stick, thats not where it is [16:12] since PyQt didnt want to release as LGPL [16:12] Urchlay, there are also wx and gtk bindings [16:13] you want /etc/rc.d/rc.modules-kerver [16:13] is gtk on win32 still a completely crapshoot? last time I messed with it was some years back, it was horrid [16:13] s/ely/e/ [16:13] mancha: Yup.. lemme look. [16:13] Urchlay, heh, it's better I think. but I use Qt usually. [16:14] Urchlay, it's nice in C++ and python [16:14] and you get Nokia devices for free as well. [16:14] am not married to any of the gui toolkits, I've used gtk before and found it easy enough to use, but tedious... [16:14] Action: slackytude|evil shrugs [16:14] give it a try [16:14] (that was in C though) [16:14] its been ages since I looked at gtk [16:15] I never found it to be good. [16:15] Nick change: yesyes -> nonono [16:15] won't use Qt in C++ because I don't really like coding in C++ all that much, as compared to C [16:15] but, its still miles better than the win32 api [16:15] ugh, yeah [16:16] I used to do this game in windows and directx 6 or 7 or something with a mate of mine [16:16] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.158.2.72.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:16] sorta like tanks in space [16:16] did it in C [16:16] no, framework whatsoever [16:17] mancha: It seems strange to have a different rc file for each kernel you're using. [16:17] can't get any traction, your treads just spin and you keep falling in a ballistic path... [16:17] it had more memory holes than swiss cheese [16:17] and when you zoomed in and out all the coordinates went whacky [16:17] Wiren (n=aad@80.13.211.241) joined ##slackware. [16:17] stickyboy it makes total sense since each kernel has a different (potentially) module/core setup [16:18] Im sure EA would have given me some millions [16:18] not to mention that some modules only exist starting at a certain kernnel ver [16:18] behaved just like their stuff [16:18] mancha: Well, considering that /etc/rc.d/rc.modules is a symlink to one kernel... what sense does that make? [16:18] slackytude|evil :) [16:18] alicephilippa (i=alice@80.187.212.33) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:18] stick, i don't folow [16:18] mancha: Is there logic in the init scripts for that?... I don't see any. [16:18] Urchlay, pretty much the last thing I did on windows [16:18] alicephilippa (i=alice@88.128.81.150) joined ##slackware. [16:19] nigo (i=kriger@direkt.mtveurope.org) left ##slackware. [16:19] well, my python scripts are supposed to run under windows too but its not really windows [16:19] mancha: Ok, I see some logic. I'm too tired to figure it out now. [16:19] python needs to die a quiet death [16:19] mancha: I only ever load one module, so I don't care much about modules. I could even compile into my kernel.. [16:19] maybe I just want .Net and mono just because its so much better than the win API [16:20] Shit, lemme just watch a movie and go to sleep. [16:20] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:20] fjji (n=ojof@92.84.27.52) left irc: "Leaving" [16:20] drawing widgets on your monitor with a sharpie marker and erasing them with white-out is better than the raw win32 API though :) [16:21] also, less work [16:21] and probably more precise [16:21] did you ever try out the layer they added on top? [16:21] MFC or stuff [16:22] some of it was even worse, imho. altho it was usually shorter and more verbose [16:22] only thing I ever tried to do with MFC was port some MFC-using code to Linux (ended up saying "never mind, not worth it") [16:22] haha [16:22] slackie (n=x@cb-217-129-169-162.netvisao.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:23] I mean, it was actually open source (GPL) code [16:23] did you tried the winlib stuff? [16:23] winelib [16:23] think they can do that stuff pretty good by now [16:23] r_linux (n=r_linux@200.225.95.150) left irc: "caindo fora" [16:23] altho it probably wouldnt be easy anyway [16:24] yeah, that was my first plan. I found a page on winelib + MFC that basically said "even if you get it to compile, it'll be illegal to distribute the binaries, why bother?" [16:24] he [16:24] but google does the same, or so I thought [16:24] Kernel is loading 8139too instead of 8139cp how/where should I change it ? (slack13) [16:24] isnt their linux stuff build against winelib? [16:24] EasyTUX: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist [16:24] slackytude|evil: probably it doesn't use MFC though [16:24] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:24] Urchlay: Many thanks. [16:25] Urchlay, good point [16:25] EasyTUX: actually it's blacklist.conf [16:25] EasyTUX, tried by hand? [16:25] rmmod modprobe? [16:25] is blacklist.conf a v13 thing? [16:26] nah, it existed in all the 12.x versions AFAIK [16:26] mancha, nope [16:26] well, sort of [16:26] here it's plain old blacklist (a 12.x box) [16:26] anyone tried inkscape from SBo in 13.0? [16:26] ah, the .conf got added for 13.0 then [16:26] Kaapa: yeah [16:26] fire|bird: and it worked? 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[16:27] Kaapa: yes [16:27] bah [16:27] wb slackytude|evil :P [16:27] .conf got added [16:27] got a compile error [16:27] rmmod slackboy [16:27] ERROR: Module slackboy is in use [16:27] force it [16:28] but I'll look again, if it works for you it must work for me [16:28] hey annihilate|gang [16:28] Kaapa if you share the error you might get better advice [16:29] mancha: yeah, when I open the laptop again :) [16:29] hey conversions|mildest [16:29] thanks anyway [16:29] ok [16:30] Kaapa: I know it works because that's what I used to make this: http://imagebin.org/68259 [16:30] slackie (n=x@cb-217-129-169-162.netvisao.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:31] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [16:31] fire|bird, gets 'em running [16:31] slackytude|evil, helooo [16:31] +l [16:31] y0 fredoslack [16:31] fire|bird, helloo [16:31] hello fredoslack [16:31] tried to figure out how to use inkscape, it's really cool but I get horribly confused by the UI [16:32] uva_ (i=bno@118-160-163-161.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:33] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.31.120) joined ##slackware. [16:33] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.146.114) left irc: "Leaving." [16:34] slackie (n=x@cb-217-129-169-162.netvisao.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:34] Also did this one in inkscape: http://imagebin.org/68248 [16:35] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829]" [16:35] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [16:36] hexorcist (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:37] <_MaggoT_> love this one http://imagebin.org/68259 [16:40] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [16:41] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [16:42] sometimes #windows is fun [16:42] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC31292.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [16:42] <_MaggoT_> why fun? [16:43] you sit there alot of problems and few solutions. then once in a while a topic comes up that is difficult to solve. then somebody jumps in and says "thats a two liner in linux". it usually ends with the mods banning someone [16:43] lol [16:43] hah [16:43] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.24.5) joined ##slackware. [16:44] you hardly see that in #windows-servers tho. [16:44] so ask those defenders of msft why their beloved company have refused to patch a critical tcp/ip vuln on win2000 and winxp even if they are still inside their support window [16:44] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-125-203.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [16:44] s/have/has [16:44] nah, Im waiting for a better flamewar topic than that [16:44] just to obvious [16:44] s/to/too [16:45] ha! [16:45] you can try boot cds with os of choice to test it with antoher os [16:45] live CDs [16:46] Naraku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:46] knew it was gonna happen soon [16:47] Kernel is NOT loading 8139cp how/where should I mention to modprobe it ? [16:48] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-141-63.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:48] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-144-100.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [16:49] EasyTUX, man modprobe.conf [16:49] EasyTUX, you basically create a rule file in /etc/modprobe.d [16:49] slackytude|evil: Okay but practically plz... [16:49] kowa_ (i=kowalczy@237-160.neasonline.no) joined ##slackware. [16:49] kowa (i=kowalczy@237-160.neasonline.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:50] Nick change: kowa_ -> kowa [16:50] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-1-24-2.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:50] uva (i=bno@118-168-238-45.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:51] EasyTUX, you should add an entry in the /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf [16:51] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.25) joined ##slackware. [16:51] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430534.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:52] <_MaggoT_> configure: error: X 32-bit development files not found. Wine will be built [16:52] <_MaggoT_> without X support, which probably isn't what you want. You will need to install [16:52] <_MaggoT_> 32-bit development packages of Xlib/Xfree86 at the very least. [16:52] Channel flood from _MaggoT_ -- kicking [16:52] <_MaggoT_> Use the --without-x option if you really want this. [16:52] _MaggoT_ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [16:52] _MaggoT_ (n=maggot@110.138.90.100) joined ##slackware. [16:52] <_MaggoT_> o_O [16:52] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:52] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.25) left irc: Client Quit [16:52] <_MaggoT_> this the config.log http://pastebin.com/m7aa8015 [16:52] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [16:53] <_MaggoT_> i already download 32 lib from alienbob site [16:53] there's a BIG bug on slack13 : 2mn wait for LILO prompt !... ;)) [16:54] Intel[R]VT-x_ (n=chatzill@124.43.58.102) joined ##slackware. [16:54] _MaggoT_: You are using the slackbuild? [16:54] <_MaggoT_> yes [16:55] Did you source /etc/profile.d/32dev.sh ? [16:55] EasyTUX: 1) that's not a bug 2) it's easily changed. [16:56] <_MaggoT_> yes [16:56] <_MaggoT_> i think i miss something [16:57] Easy, try adding "compact" at the beginning of lilo.conf [16:57] and dont use huge [16:57] coz its huge [16:57] that's what she said [16:57] [in bed] [16:58] kowa (i=kowalczy@237-160.neasonline.no) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:58] mancha: compact ? ugh... [16:58] wubbster (n=wubbster@24.206.157.137) joined ##slackware. [16:58] Also, he's referring to the timeout that lilo waits, easily changed by a handy option in lilo.conf called timeout ;) [16:59] ugh? [16:59] you dislike intelligent and efficient read calls as a general rule? 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[17:33] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-gshdrxmsyqqoamfz) joined ##slackware. [17:33] For Slackware 13. [17:35] tagfile? [17:35] hi when we are talking about loadavg of the slackware server if i get 4.9 is my server loaded already, [17:36] err, what? [17:36] how do i determine if what level is still appropriate [17:36] I..don't understand what you mean at all [17:36] if it still runs without feeling like a pinto running uphill with a 1500cc motor? [17:36] go and get some brain [17:37] jemark (n=mark@62.143.39.202) left irc: Client Quit [17:38] straterra: like... the files the installer uses to install certain packages. [17:38] Lol a 1500cc Pinto. Classic. [17:38] mmm... I don't want to go to bed... [17:38] straterra:ok my slackware server are on production now and i monitor my loadavg with htop, and i can see my server is generating 4.9-----> is my server working at overload level or at aevrage. [17:38] my sister had on [17:38] e [17:38] Gotta love the hatchback on those :) [17:38] is that level still minimal..? [17:38] I had the 2000cc hatchback [17:39] alisonken1home: I don't think I've seen one on the road for years and years now. [17:39] ruben23: I typically get servers with anywhere between 0.8 and 150 load averages and they run fine. you have to figure out what your load average should be for your setup [17:39] ruben23: That number depends entirely on the hardware [17:39] Nick_Patterson: yeah - oooooold classics :) [17:39] i have one question [17:39] who let the dogs out!?!?!? [17:39] a load of 4 on a 386 is different than a load of 4 on a modern machine [17:40] I _think_ that's what I said :) [17:40] Isn't load average the average number of threads waiting for execution or something? [17:40] processes [17:41] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [17:41] EasyTUX_ (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-53-226.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:41] 150 load average sounds kinda high for any setup... [17:42] we like to try and keep it lower, but sometimes peaks happen [17:42] nachox (n=imarambi@190.216.26.210) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:44] hing (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: "221 GoodBye - WeeChat 0.3.1-dev" [17:44] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [17:44] Do any of you have an Acer Aspire One? [17:45] no [17:45] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430534.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:46] no sorry ccfreak2k [17:46] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:50] Wiren (n=aad@80.13.211.241) left irc: [17:50] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-53-226.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:52] Nick change: EasyTUX_ -> EasyTUX [17:53] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:53] mikinanuq (n=mikinanu@71-215-83-66.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:57] I go to bed, see ya guys, ciao deco, goodbye fire|bird [17:57] night metrofox [17:58] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.171.218) left irc: "+-||\-" [17:59] fire|bird, wasn't there a kde4 widget that provides the IconBox functionality? I can't locate it anymore :( [17:59] (do you know offhand?) [17:59] thrice`: there's one but i forgot the name [18:00] thrice`: Hmm, I want to say there is one, I can't recall the name though, sec. [18:00] gee, THANKS [18:00] :P [18:00] haha [18:00] I'm not sure I like that tone. :P [18:00] retsudo (n=retsudo@cpe-76-174-219-13.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:01] hm, maybe it was an app instead of a widget [18:01] thrice`: it's a widget for sure [18:02] 100% sure? :P [18:02] yes i had it in a screenshot ... [18:02] gay [18:03] winter: mon cheri go back to our lair [18:03] good afternoon slackers [18:03] afternoon slackmagic [18:03] Action: winter burps/vomits/laughs [18:04] aha! http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/STasks?content=99739 [18:04] sloinn (i=4e88a5ca@gateway/web/freenode/x-ebekifdrhlqlwnuq) joined ##slackware. [18:05] that one looks nasty [18:05] the defualt one is better [18:05] small ... [18:05] There isn't a default one [18:05] thrice`: great, I was just looking on kde-look myself for it. :) [18:05] there's a way to do icons-only by default? [18:05] waite you don't mean a box that holds icons ?? [18:06] deco: He means, something that replaces the Task list with just icons, instead of icons + text [18:06] fire|bird: oh ok nvm [18:07] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.31.120) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:08] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:08] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:09] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:09] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [18:09] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "pebkac, id-10-t clicked the X ^_^" [18:09] lordsimian (n=lordsimi@144.38.70.34) joined ##slackware. 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[20:08] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:10] Hey, anyone know if a scsi 360 drive will work in a scsi 160 slot? [20:10] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:10] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:13] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] agentc0re|work, yes it will (scsi 320 I think you mean). it will just work at 160 speed [20:15] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [20:15] kowa (i=kowalczy@85.93.237.160) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [20:18] kowa (i=kowalczy@237-160.neasonline.no) joined ##slackware. [20:19] Kowalczyk (i=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:19] how do you make xz files? [20:19] with tar? [20:20] xz [20:20] is it -Z or -J [20:21] if tar is xz enabled you can use -J or --xz [20:21] but then you get a tar+xz, if you want to just xz-compress you use xz [20:21] mancha: so it isn't enabled by default in 13? [20:21] i don't know, what i tell you is accurate [20:21] so I'm gonna try to install slack13 on my p3. [20:22] I expect breakage. [20:23] thumbs: good luck, may the source be with you. :) [20:23] it appears to be enabled...took the J option [20:23] fire|bird: well I hope everything will fall back to 32bit. [20:24] keep in mind this will make an xz compressed tar archive, which is not what you originally asked for [20:24] fire|bird, this one isn't too bad ;) [20:25] cool [20:25] that prog didn't work, but there is a successor [20:25] "smooth tasks" [20:25] i wanted an xz compressed tar [20:25] Kowalczyk (i=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.no) joined ##slackware. [20:25] instead of gzip or bzip [20:26] trying to make this guy think to use stuff on his box [20:26] thrice`: Ah, ok. I hadn't heard of smooth tasks, just of fancy tasks [20:26] nyRednek, so, do it? [20:26] nyrednek, cool. so now you know the tar flag [20:26] thrice`: hopefully, tar -cvJf does it [20:27] mancha: exactly [20:27] yes, that does it. [20:28] fire|bird, http://omploader.org/vMmt3NA [20:28] i knew you could make them in 2 steps, using tar cvf then xz -z that [20:28] thrice`: nice [20:28] i assumed you just wanted to compress file1 into file1.xz (no tar involved). [20:29] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [20:29] now to find a generic unix tutorial ebook to send this guy so he can follow and hopefully get comfortable with the console [20:30] EasyTUX_ (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-112-186.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [20:30] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [20:30] dangerseeker (n=dangerse@p57A8DD6E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [20:31] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:32] smoooth (n=smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:34] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:35] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: "Leaving" [20:40] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-53-226.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:41] togermano (n=togerman@c-71-192-237-171.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [20:47] deco: sorry, was on toilet [20:48] np :P [20:48] Can anyone give me a website that sets a cookie right away? I am trying to test something [20:49] hiptobecubic: google ? [20:49] deco, does it? [20:49] hiptobecubic: it should [20:49] hiptobecubic: yep, it does [20:49] hiptobecubic: so does yahoo [20:49] hiptobecubic: so does youtube [20:50] deco, nyRednek well clearly this doesn't work then :) [20:50] hiptobecubic: what are you trying to do > [20:50] ?* [20:50] write a simple python script that reads a cookie. [20:50] oh [20:50] I'm in the middle of doing the pythonchallenge [20:51] hmph. well the script IS working and the site just isn't sending me cookies like i think it is. I'm reading them fine from the googles. [20:51] anyway thanks. [20:52] np [20:53] hiptobecubic: pythonchallenge? [20:53] www.pythonchallenge.com it's just a series of pages with puzzles... which usually require some scripting or something to solve [20:54] the image and page source is usually some kind of clue [20:54] the first one is pretty straightforward, evaluate it and that gives you the next url to try [20:57] gotcha. :) [20:58] anyone know how to boot Slackware 13.0 with ext4 from grub? I can't seem to write a stansa that works. [21:00] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:01] usr13 i think you can not run ext4 with grub , you may use /boot as ext3 [21:05] Level-Zero: So I need to use lilo? [21:05] Ok, I'll try Lilo. [21:06] lilo works for me [21:07] lilo is more friendly to use then grub [21:07] hey hitest, how's it going? [21:07] its not not as nice when add a drive or something to the pc [21:07] hi fire|bird:) it is going well, ty. how are you doing? [21:08] the problem with grub is that it doesn't use the same /dev numbers that you're expecting [21:08] well thats only one of the grub issues [21:08] :P [21:08] usr13: i am not expert but preferred to use separate partition /boot as ext3 not the new ext4 [21:08] hitest: great, thanks. I just installed the compiz stuff from SBo on the laptop, it's working great, except the icons for ccsm are missing. :P [21:09] cool, I'll have to try the compiz stuff:) [21:09] fire|bird, lol compiz. I never could it to all come together. I eventually had it running but it ruined my window decorations and stuff. I ended up ditching it for good old xfwm [21:09] ..... [21:11] hiptobecubic: haha, yeah, I'm using it on xfce, I've had good luck so far, except these missing icons atm. [21:11] my graphics card couldn't really handle it anyway. I'd plug in my external display and everything came to a halt. [21:12] Mine can handle it, fortunately. It works better, performance wise, on the laptop, than it does on the desktop. [21:13] fire|bird: better gpu ? [21:13] EasyTUX_ (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-112-186.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:13] anyone know the basic minimal gpu for a compiz setup anyway? can it run over mesa? [21:14] CcSsNET: more then 32mb of video memory ..... [21:14] deco: maybe. Desktop=nvidia Geforce FX5200 and Laptop=ATI Radeon XPress 200m. [21:14] it ran fine on my 5200fx 256mb ram [21:14] hmm 32mb k [21:14] fire|bird: ah ok , i only have 32mb of video memory lol it works but not for serious use etc... [21:15] hmmm [21:15] gmail doesn't let you send archives [21:15] unless they are xz archives [21:15] thats fairly common even in the server integrated now a days [21:16] so 32mb is roughly matrox g400 era i beleive and radeon 7000's [21:16] 1998ish? [21:17] 1999? [21:17] CcSsNET: if you have more then that it's gonna be ok ... [21:17] hehe [21:17] just rambling ;) [21:17] :P [21:18] i may try it in a few on this box [21:18] 8mb s3 savage [21:18] XD [21:18] using mesa so it may work out hehe [21:18] Nick change: Kiboney -> PizzaAndPot [21:19] jhw_ (n=jhw@p548F72A4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:19] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) joined ##slackware. [21:22] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.94.68) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [21:24] hmmm only dependancy compiz wants is libx11 only one not installed yet anyway, had to say no to kde, gnome, ect ect all the extras [21:25] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-71-75.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [21:28] I hate this IRC bot [21:28] Intel[R]VT-x_, kickban yourself [21:28] Intel[R]VT-x_: why because he banned you ? [21:28] :) [21:28] I'm not banned yet [21:29] in freenode yet [21:29] Intel[R]VT-x_: you'll be soon here. [21:29] Intel[R]VT-x_: you are in this channel [21:29] np chance [21:29] you just changed your nick [21:29] to get in [21:29] heh [21:30] I am a expert linux kernel programmer so alienBOB will not ban me [21:30] alien_bob: rworkman: ping? [21:30] Nick change: Intel[R]VT-x_ -> Intel[R]VT-x [21:30] jhw (n=jhw@p548F5999.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:31] o cool in that case u need to help me out [21:31] make grsec patch, not disable lsm, so i can install a particular module [21:31] :P [21:31] expert kernel programmer [21:31] Eurysilas (n=william@d7-253.rb.gh.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] dont send me a patch just send me some howto info :P [21:32] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:35] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [21:36] lol @ quit ^ [21:38] vantech62 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [21:38] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:39] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [21:39] anyone know how to get lilo to boot Ubuntu 8.04? [21:39] OK, I'm curious: what actually goes on the first bootable Slackware CD? I figured the directory structure is something like "isolinux>blah, kernels>blah, slackware>[disk_letter]>[packages]", but as the more experienced users no doubt see, this conceptualization has MAJOR holes. [21:39] slackie (n=x@cb-217-129-168-54.netvisao.pt) joined ##slackware. [21:40] Eurysilas: http://www.slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php [21:40] usr13: you're in the slackware channel -- perhaps try the ubuntu channel? [21:40] lilo is easy [21:40] far easier then grub [21:41] Eurysilas: The directory structure is slackware/a/ etc. [21:41] BP{k}: I really would rather customize my disks....I'm weird like that....:) [21:41] Eurysilas: The directory structure is /mnt/cdrom/slackware/a/ etc. [21:41] edit your lilo.conf file, modify or verify your /etc/fstab file and make sure lilo was installed to mbr if its the only os on the system [21:42] smoooth: Well, I know... I tried here to figure out how to get grub to boot slackware and now I'm trying to figure out how to use lilo Now the people on Ubuntu have no experience with lilo. So I guess I'm just screwed. [21:42] I know it can be done either way but just cannot write a stansa that works. [21:42] Eurysilas: well, have a look in isolinux/README.TXT (I believe) that details what you need. [21:42] This is rather frustrating. [21:42] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.36.49) joined ##slackware. [21:43] If it were for me... no problem, slackware is all I need, but I'm trying to help an insane friend of mine do a dual boot system. [21:43] BP{k} customized disks do save alot of time [21:43] And it's pissing me off! [21:43] Yeah I never understand why people duel boot -- now days very easy to install one and then test others with VM [21:44] smoooth: If you have 3 or 4 gigs of men, yea sure... go for it. [21:44] i cant deal with dualboot it agravates me. id rather physically switch a drive then pick a menu option at boot xD [21:44] This is a low budget operation. [21:45] CcSsNET: huh? What has that statement to do with anything? [21:45] BP{k}: I tried that....I'm just trying to clarify my understanding of what files are actually on a minimal boot disk...I assume you have to have certain special files plus all software in the "A" series, correct? [21:45] Yeah could be problematic -- should be able to pull off with 1 or 2GB thought. But I see your dilemma. [21:46] bp{k} ask urself that, u are the one that mentioned customizing a disk . . . [21:46] I suppose Eurysilas needs a set of tagfiles, right? [21:47] Eurysilas: Are you building a server? [21:47] CcSsNET: uhm .. I did not. [21:47] Well, maybe it would help if I clarified the overall goal....... [21:47] ok, got it figured out [21:48] My goal is to have all files needed needed to boot plus the "A" series on one CD..... [21:48] Eurysilas: according to the reamdme you need at least /isolinux/, /kernels/ and /slackware/ .. so possibly slackware/a/ would be beneficial. A lot depending how you are a planning to do the rest of the install. [21:48] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:49] OK.....So we have established the needed directories....... [21:49] vantech61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:49] Eurysilas: isolinux, kernels and slackware/a ... that should give you enough to boot into any system running that kernel. [21:49] What about their contents? [21:49] well that would include their contents of course. [21:49] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:49] OH....... [21:50] So every file is indeed necessary? [21:51] why do devs sleep when i need them the most> [21:51] I looked at the .sort file...... [21:51] o right eursilas mentioned it. sry [21:52] Eurysilas: to be honest, I have usually just burned the first disk .. that gives me all I want + extra for a minimal reinstall if needed [21:52] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [21:53] Hrm..... [21:53] I just figure if this is Slackware, I should learn....... [21:54] Nick change: vantech62 -> artv61 [21:54] MLanden (n=lilslack@pool-162-84-112-187.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:55] Heya,slackers...How's everyone? [21:55] evening MLanden [21:55] .......Well, I'm fine, I guess. [21:55] heya, BP{k} [21:56] Eurysilas: Are you wanting to build a CD that will install a minimal system? like no X or anything, just a some sort of server? [21:56] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-135-231.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:56] :) How do I change the default location to another? i use slackware13 and vsftpd , i want to change default vsftpd from /home/ftp to another biggger partition like /mnt/d5/ , what is the way and suitable steps to implement ? any useful ideas ? [21:57] If you simply want to install slackware, just do a full install. [21:57] Eurysilas: That is easiest^^^ [21:57] Or you can rig up a set of tagfiles. [21:58] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: "quitting" [21:58] usr13: Yes, but if I just wanted what was easy, I'd have gone with Ubuntu/Fedora/SuSe etc. This is about learning. [21:58] Anyway...... [21:59] So, what is the function of .sort? [21:59] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [22:00] I mean.....I assume it is to place a boot-critical file at the beginning of the CD, but I'm not sure....... [22:02] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [22:03] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:03] Hi folks , anyone have sufficient time to response ==> How do I change the default location to another? i use slackware13 and vsftpd , i want to change default vsftpd from /home/ftp to another biggger partition like /mnt/d5/ , what is the way and suitable steps to implement ? any useful ideas ? [22:03] Eurysilas (n=william@d7-253.rb.gh.centurytel.net) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [22:03] togermano (n=togerman@c-71-192-237-171.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: [22:04] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:04] TheSecret (n=TheSecre@f053043025.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [22:04] Level-Zero: I suppose you could do a softlink to it. [22:05] use13 :not work when i test it from another pc [22:06] Level-Zero: I am not sure if this would work (not tested it), but the default ftp user has /home/ftp set in /etc/passwd [22:07] fwc (n=fwc@cpe-204-210-154-184.hvc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:07] you mean change ftp home from /etc/passwd [22:08] yes [22:08] hey, has anyone had a problem with the huge.s kernel hanging in slack 13? right after it pops out some info on the 1st core of my 940 it freezes up [22:08] i will try [22:09] any more useful ideas ? [22:09] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:09] Level-Zero: Looks like you'd want to enable "chroot_list_enable" and then specify the users jail in /etc/vsftpd.chroot_list [22:10] "brush your teeth often", "don't use crack" [22:10] Level-Zero: Looking at man vsftpd.conf [22:10] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:10] TheSecret (n=TheSecre@f053043025.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: [22:11] BP{k}: watchin' A-Team?....lol...:P [22:11] BP{k}: excellent advice. :) [22:11] mesaGL (n=mesaGL@unaffiliated/mesagl) left irc: [22:11] MLanden: hehe [22:11] ok [22:11] fwc (n=fwc@cpe-204-210-154-184.hvc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [22:14] mesaGL (n=mesaGL@unaffiliated/mesagl) joined ##slackware. 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[22:24] CPU is an AMD Phenom II 940 @ 3.0GHz, AMD 770 motherboard, tried nosmp/nolapic/acpi=off, etc with no change in results.. it seems to be a hard lock, keyboard status lights won't change, alt+ctrl+del won't reboot it [22:24] GTX 260 [22:24] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] and no, no errors, that's all i get before it freezes [22:25] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) left irc: "Leaving" [22:25] does anyone here use open office on slack? [22:25] har: yes [22:26] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:26] stig (n=stig@173.80-202-229.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [22:26] har: what's your question ? [22:26] ive never had a kernel just freeze like that on loading, i have no idea how to diagnose this heh :- [22:26] .... [22:26] deco: should the slackbuild work okay? I re-installed slackware yesterday and now open office won't start up it keeps crashing [22:26] :\ [22:26] har: http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/13.0/i486/ [22:27] there's a package already built there [22:27] okay deco, I'll try that... thanks [22:27] har: np [22:29] i installed slamd64 a while back with this motherboard/video card, but with a Brisbane X2 5200.. and obviously slamd64 12.1 used a different kernel version, dunno how either is configured.. how hard is it to pop a new kernel into the image? [22:29] i was hoping that it might help *shrug* [22:30] elfuser (i=fahad@ganja.universal.edu.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:30] Tassis (n=tassis@unaffiliated/tassis) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:30] pgeek|| (i=pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:31] Nick change: PizzaAndPot -> Kiboney [22:32] elfuser (i=fahad@ganja.universal.edu.au) joined ##slackware. [22:32] Tassis (n=tassis@unaffiliated/tassis) joined ##slackware. [22:34] pgeek|| (i=pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) joined ##slackware. [22:34] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:35] Navi_ (n=duvaz@189.210.124.2) joined ##slackware. [22:35] deco: that one does not work for me either... [22:35] has anyone installed slack 13.0 on an AMD quad core? [22:35] I must have something messed up on my system [22:36] hi, i wish remove XCFE, KDE, FLUX BOX, how can i do it? [22:36] Navi_: removepkg kde* [22:36] Navi_: removepkg(8) [22:36] Navi_: removepkg xfce* [22:37] Navi_: what BP{k} said [22:37] deco: thanks for the book [22:37] deco: maybe that'll get this guy off my butt about the simplest bs on fedora [22:38] sbin/removepkg: line 322: [: too many arguments [22:38] /sbin/removepkg: line 331: [: too many arguments [22:38] /sbin/removepkg: line 338: [: too many arguments [22:38] Channel flood from Navi_ -- kicking [22:38] No such package: /var/log/packages/kde*. Can't remove. [22:38] Navi_ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [22:38] CcSsNET_ (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:38] nyRednek: like what? [22:39] MLanden: how i made a desktop shortcut, how to run a .bin file, that kinda bs [22:39] MLanden: i make desktop shortcuts on fedora with ln [22:40] nyRednek: lol [22:40] MLanden: yeah, he's been using suse for years, and is stuck in yast mode [22:40] that's BAD [22:41] MLanden: i told him i refuse to support suse due to the problem of yast not allowing one to config by editing files [22:41] so he installed fedora, which doesn't have that problem [22:42] nyRednek: what he think of the book? [22:42] MLanden: he hasn't looked at it yet [22:43] MLanden: i called him and told him it's in his inbox...he thanked me and told me he'd look at it after dinner [22:43] nyRednek: there might be hope then...:P [22:43] MLanden: if he actually learns half of that book, he'll be bored with fedora quick, and be a slacker like the rest of us [22:44] how do i add another kernel to the slack 13.0 bootable dvd? like is it just make a kernels\newkernel.s directory and throw the new kernel image in there? [22:44] lol....put down the hat....pick up the slack.....:P [22:44] MLanden: i like that...can i use it for a website banner? [22:44] Intel[R]VT-x: I already put a +q on you once, and you'll be getting another as soon as I finish typing this. You disappear on #3. [22:45] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [22:45] nyRednek: it's yours...:P [22:45] ##slackware: mode change '+b %Intel[R]VT-x!*@*' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [22:45] ut oh [22:45] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [22:45] MLanden: cool [22:46] btw, i'm technically a maintainer of centerim as of next slackbuilds.org update :)) [22:46] rworkman, you're just killed virtualization [22:46] congrats [22:46] haha [22:46] That virtualization sucked. [22:47] rworkman: i saw my updated slackbuild got accepted tonight, thanks...that old one was unable to use yahoo [22:48] nyRednek: updated list of servers? [22:48] slackie (n=x@cb-217-129-168-54.netvisao.pt) left irc: "Papaver Somniferum" [22:48] MLanden: and updated method [22:48] cool [22:48] MLanden: i just changed the slackbuild to reflect current version of centerim [22:49] personally, i'm trying to use google talk [22:49] which is just jabber [22:49] google talk works in linux? [22:49] nachox: as a jabber server [22:50] you're using pidgin with it, right? [22:50] nachox: nope, centerim [22:50] or the kde crap [22:50] nachox: not using an x tool at all [22:50] never heard of it [22:50] i use console tools [22:50] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-135-231.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:50] as much as possible [22:50] nachox: http://centerim.sourceforge.net [22:51] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [22:51] centerim's been there for a while....used to use it back in Slack9 and Slack10 [22:51] nyRednek: Hrm, I didn't do it; someone else deserves credit for that :) [22:52] nachox: and, hopefully tomorrow, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/centerim/ [22:52] if i add a new kernel image to the dvd under \kernels\prayer.s .. will the installer be able to load it? [22:52] rworkman: well, whoever approved it, tell them i said thanks [22:52] fwc: i think you have to edit a syslinux config file too [22:52] and/or has anyone here succesfully got the slack 13.0 huge.s kernel to boot on a phenom II, maybe with an AMD 770 based mobo? [22:53] fire|bird: hey man [22:53] nyRednek, nothing against console tools, but i think web browsers and im clients do not belong in the console [22:53] hi nyRednek [22:53] nachox: your opinion... [22:53] of course [22:53] nyRednek.. care to elaborate? :D [22:53] nachox: i don't consider x essential for much [22:54] fwc: as soon as i research, sure [22:54] nyRednek, for the server, i'm with you, but for im and web browsing, X is a must [22:54] nachox: for SOME web browsing, i agree [22:54] nyRednek: ahh thought you might know off the top of your head, i'll try to look it up myself then [22:55] yoyoned (n=todd@99-28-32-154.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:55] nachox: but if you're just looking for documentation or looking at static text pages...x isn't essential [22:55] nachox: i still use lynx more often than firefox [22:56] nyRednek, i thought lynx did not even support ssl [22:56] it does cut some of the BS when goin' for quick peek [22:56] nachox: it didn't for a while, but iirc, it does now [22:57] hmm how likely do you think it is that an nForce 430 based board would like me hotplugging SATA drives? [22:57] rignes (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) joined ##slackware. [22:57] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [22:57] Hey MLanden, how's it going? [22:57] fwc: if it's your drive containing /, not likely at all [22:57] i was thinking more like hotplugging a DVD drive into this box, didnt want to kill its uptime :P [22:58] fwc: not sure [22:58] haha, guess im gonna find out [22:58] fwc: trial and error [22:58] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:58] goin' alright,fire|bird [22:58] indeed :) [22:59] ah crap, guess i gave that drive away.. there goes that cool experiment! [23:00] and how are you,fire|bird? [23:01] MLanden: great, thanks. I had been messing with the desktop, and didn't realize the laptop lost it's wifi connection until I just joined again there a few minutes ago. :P [23:01] lol,fire|bird [23:02] ruben23 (n=RPL@122.55.48.243) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:02] that happens [23:02] MLanden: When I finally looked at the laptop, I thought it was odd that ##slackware was quiet for so long. :P [23:02] too many icons...:P [23:02] nachox: for im, centerim seems to meet all my needs, though, like irssi meets my irc needs, and alpine meets my email needs [23:03] fire|bird: you running conky? [23:03] i tired out irssi today for the first time, i quickly shut it down [23:03] nachox: and if i don't want to see them in my x session, i can just ^a-d the session [23:03] tried* [23:03] MLanden: no [23:04] centerim is good, can't say i like alpine...why? cause it's not mutt, of course. [23:04] Scuzz: it works for me [23:04] i hear its great [23:04] im jsut lost in it [23:04] mancha: i never really liked mutt [23:04] blasphemy [23:04] oorah (n=robert@97.89.55.224) joined ##slackware. [23:05] Scuzz: http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi [23:05] mancha: truth [23:05] slackware vs ubuntu [23:05] thanx im gonna save that for the morning read [23:05] oorah: slackware all the way [23:05] where is a good place to report the kernel hanging problem with the 13.0 huge.s kernel? [23:05] mutt is the bestest [23:05] Scuzz: not a problem [23:06] mancha: so why would a person used to pine/alpine want to mess with it? [23:06] fwc, explain the problem here so we might help discern pebkac [23:06] oorah (n=robert@97.89.55.224) left irc: Client Quit [23:06] mancha: keep in mind, i've got an ssl pop inbox configured to be read under pine, along with using an ssl smtp server [23:07] mancha: i don't have an mta running on my notebook [23:07] mancha: whats pebkac mean? :P [23:07] nyredneck, hey ima not gonna try to convert you, enjoy alpine. i just think it is important to know you're running a 2nd rate mail agent :) [23:07] mancha: i'd say the same of mutt [23:07] mancha: it starts trying to load huge.s on the install, and it hard locks the machine, here's what I can see on the screen.. http://pastebin.com/m7802f8e5 [23:07] yoyoned (n=todd@99-28-32-154.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [23:07] you'd be wrong though, which is the important discintion we need to take away from this conversation [23:08] linus torvalds uses alpine :P [23:08] Action: deco hides [23:08] mancha: that depends on opinion [23:08] he also uses gnome :) [23:08] deco: get the hell back over here [23:08] mancha: it just stops there, no error message, nothing.. does it throw console messages out to the serial port by default? I could hook up a serial cable to get the stuff before that if it does [23:08] mancha: because kde 4 pissed him off :P [23:09] lol [23:09] xfce \o/ [23:09] fwc, hrmm, thats as far as your dmesg gets and then it is a real hard lock? nothing works until you power down? (curious, how;'d you capture that) [23:09] fire|bird: kde 3.5.10 \o/ i love living in the past... [23:09] mancha: correct, i typed it out [23:09] woah, what? [23:09] EKayFive (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-135-117.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:09] you typed all that? [23:09] mancha: keyboard status lights wont flip, alt+cltr+del doesn't reboot it [23:09] mancha: sure, i type fast.. didnt take long :) [23:09] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:09] ok, can you spec your box please? [23:10] deco: hahaha, well, whatever works, I guess. [23:10] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:10] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:10] fire|bird: yeah... for now :P [23:10] AMD 770 chipset (biostar a770 a2+), phenom II 940.. 4x3.0GHz/6MB cache, deneb core.. 4GB DDR2 PC6400, GTX 260, 550w antec PSU, liteon DVD drive over SATA, 320GB western digital over SATA, 120GB JB drive over IDE [23:11] i installed slamd 12.0 and 12.1 on the machine when everything was the same, except for the CPU which was an AMD X2 5200+ Brisbane [23:12] but slamd 12.0/12.1 obviously used a different kernel version than slack 13.0 [23:12] fwcm you do indeed type fast, does any live-cd work? [23:12] havent tried any, this was the only thing i had burned [23:12] and i really wanted to get slackware back on the box [23:12] but if it helps, windows 7 runs fine :P :-\ [23:12] that's debatable [23:12] lol [23:13] haha, well it rules out a hardware failure/major hardware issue [23:13] you might want to d/l ubuntu4-64 live cd [23:13] blehhh [23:13] well i have a slamd 12.1 dvd, i could burn one off quick and try it [23:13] yes it seems to rule that out. hrmm i am trying to get you to run a diff kernel [23:13] id be fine with slamd64 12.1, but it uses an older X server.. not that slack has ever been nearly up to date on its x servers haha [23:14] does single user boot up? [23:14] but yeah, ill go grab some media and give it a shot [23:14] nada, kernel just fails [23:14] ive tried passing it nosmp, nolapic, noapic, and acpi=off [23:14] and a variety of those combinations, with no success [23:15] ok, so it seems like it is not apic or acpi related. what about booting in single mode? [23:16] err, isnt that just the init level? wouldnt that not make a difference since its freezing early in the kernel boot process? [23:16] efz (i=1000@68-114-212-208.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:16] deco: going to email that book to every clueless n00b that comes here...been skimming through it [23:16] and isnt the installer running in single user mode once the kernel is done loading anyway? [23:17] nyRednek: yeah totally, it's the best book i have read regarding unix... [23:17] deco: as i said, sending it to every clueless n00b [23:17] deco: i've been using slack on and off for 12 years and i'm learning stuff here [23:18] nyRednek: i'm still too [23:18] can anyone recommend me some reputable video encoding/dvd libraries? [23:18] how many kb/s is 1x DVD write speed? [23:18] i somehow killed my gigabit switch, dont want to try burning it too fast with my network storage connected at 100mbit heh [23:19] efz: libdvdcss [23:20] explore (n=msparker@pool-173-57-92-51.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:20] 1.32mb/s for 1x or summit [23:20] nyRednek: i'm looking to create not access [23:20] theres no good dvd building software with nice GUIs so i'm taking it upon myself :p [23:21] but i see theres many more on that site ill look through them [23:21] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:21] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:22] steiger (n=steiger@189.105.81.246) joined ##slackware. [23:22] hello fuckers [23:22] if libdvdcss can decrypt, it should be able to encrypt as well [23:23] ? [23:23] ill check the doxy [23:23] steiger: got a headache...not tonight [23:23] yeh looks like accessing only' [23:24] look, you need to be able to encode the video format and the audio, there are open libs for that [23:24] ill find something [23:24] nyRednek: sex is overrated [23:24] like a52dec for a52 audio, etc [23:24] steiger: well, from a darwinist point of view, it's underrated [23:24] but you need to understand what a dvd contains first [23:25] nyRednek: well.. true [23:25] archiebenedict (n=archiebl@ip68-102-118-52.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:25] but i mean, the pleasure level you get does not correspond to the way it is generally rated in society [23:25] steiger: since what determines fitness for survival is how effectively one passes on genes [23:25] or something like that. [23:26] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.24.5) joined ##slackware. [23:26] nyRednek: well, hm, well [23:26] you make sense [23:26] maybe a52dec decodes only, it's been a while [23:26] ok burning slamd64, if it DOES boot.. what are my options for getting another kernel on the slack 13 DVD? [23:27] i dont know how to manipulate dvd images :\ [23:27] steiger: and since i have 4(soon will be 5) children, i think it's time i removed myself from the gene pool [23:27] fwc: don't slamd64ers have their own channel? [23:27] steiger: im burning it because huge.s on slackware 13.0 freezes early in the boot process making it so i cant install it O.o :\ [23:27] and does slack 13 also have x86 libs? or just x86-64? [23:27] only x86 [23:28] nyRednek: fuck, yeah, you need to think about the pool. don't throw too much of your genes in it. don't pollute [23:28] let me rephrase that [23:28] but there's a package to multi-lib it [23:28] does slack 13.0 x86-64 have x86 libs or x86-64? :P [23:28] er, only x76-64 i mean [23:28] er just have x86-64, or does it have x86 as well [23:28] ahh [23:28] fwc: tried an alternative kernel? [23:28] where do i get the multilib package? [23:28] fwc: slackware64, version 13, is purelib with ability to add 32 bit libs into it [23:28] fwc: www.slackware.com/alien [23:28] steiger: how do i try an alternative kernel? [23:28] is there a multilib package? [23:28] google "alienbob slackware multilib" [23:29] nyRednek: 404 on that url [23:29] steiger: ^^^ [23:29] i can think of only one reason to run multilib: playing 32 bit games [23:29] hmmm [23:29] orr to run a 32 bit browser? :P [23:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:29] i see no reason to run a 32 bit browser, fwc [23:29] oh, my bad www.slackware.com/~alien [23:30] or run IE (a 2 bit browser) [23:30] no? how is 64 bit flash now? [23:30] steiger: also, wine [23:30] fwc: it works fine on my system [23:30] mancha: haha nice [23:30] regardless, it can't hurt to have 32 bit libs as well, amirite? [23:31] fwc: 64 bit flash works great on my system(uses a lot of youtube) [23:31] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829]" [23:31] fwc: actually, it can hurt with certain slackbuilds [23:31] nyRednek: which is always to run some .exe game [23:31] you're preaching to the choir here, i think it should have shipped multilib [23:31] nyRednek: hows that? [23:31] steiger: exactly...and the controller software for my korgs [23:31] fwc: mancha 's suggestion was great. [23:31] besides i like to compile 32 bit binaries for stuff i write to compare performance differences [23:32] i disagree it should be shipped multilib. it is fine the way it is: multilib-ready [23:32] hello. i have a problem that i cant figure out how to fix. i am trying to compile a gfx plugin for a psx emulator. i get 3 errors all related to the same thing. COMBINE_EXT. after i googled it, i found that it's related to opengl extensions. apparently i need some headers or something, but i cant figure out where ot get them, and if i had them, where would i put them [23:32] can someone help me with this? [23:32] fwc: some slackbuilds will see the 32 bit libs and try to build a 64 bit package with the 32 bit libs [23:32] nice cryptic messages [23:32] steiger: if it was shipped multilib, that doesn't mean that youd have to install the 32 bit libs though :D [23:32] *error messages [23:33] nyRednek: thats kinda the fault of the build script then, id rather blame that than the fact that i have extra libs heh [23:33] sloppy slackbuilds is no reason to not ship multilib [23:33] fwc: i've had to removepkg my compat32 packages several times to install slackbuilds [23:33] wholy agree there [23:34] fwc: well, it is sort of shipped multilib. the 32 bits are shipped in parallel with 64 bits versions of the same libs [23:34] i never use slackbuilds anyway, so thats a moot issue for me [23:34] fwc: so you just install the 32 bits libs from a 32 bits mirror and you have a multilib system [23:34] fwc: yeah, it's the build script's fault, but much easier to removepkg the compat 32 libs than to debug the slackbuild [23:34] and if i did, id blame whoever wrote the build script, not my system for having multilib [23:35] nyRednek: well, yes. no argument there. :P [23:35] fwc: not arguing, only discussing [23:35] fwc: cause i just installpkg all of them back [23:35] didn't mean to imply that it was an argument, my apologies, just meant that i agreed with the sentiment [23:36] no need to apologize, inflection is hard to show on a text chat [23:36] indeed [23:36] ok, so let's see if the default slamd 12.1 kernel boots [23:37] or if the issue is somehow deeper.. [23:37] what's the proper way to list the packages installed currently on your system? [23:37] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:37] ls /var/log/packages? :P [23:38] steiger: ls /var/log/packages ? [23:38] steiger: you can use pkgtool or look in the var area like they said [23:38] nyRednek: neat [23:38] ok yeah, the slamd 12.1 kernel boots fine [23:38] fwc: nice :) [23:38] hello. i have a problem that i cant figure out how to fix. i am trying to compile a gfx plugin for a psx emulator. i get 3 errors all related to the same thing. COMBINE_EXT. after i googled it, i found that it's related to opengl extensions. apparently i need some headers or something, but i cant figure out where ot get them, and if i had them, where would i put them [23:38] can someone help me with this? [23:38] fwc: wild, we typed same thing, same time [23:39] nyRednek: obvious answer, obviously :) hahah [23:39] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:39] okay, so now then.. how can i get another kernel on the slack 13 DVD? [23:39] archie, you lost me at hello [23:40] he's getting a error compiling a plugin for epsxe or smthin [23:40] it looks like all you do is add the file to the dir [23:41] or, whats in initrd? i never looked at how slacks installer works.. can i just swap to a slack 13 DVD and install? or is the setup program actually part of initrd, or? [23:41] fwc: you need the slack 13 initrd [23:41] thepeng (n=master@m3a0436d0.tmodns.net) joined ##slackware. [23:41] bleh, haha.. uhh hmm [23:41] cause the setup program and pkgtools are on the initrd [23:41] maybe itd be easier to do this with a usb stick for the boot portion [23:42] right, i just saw that :\ [23:42] fwc: probably... [23:42] hiya, so im trying to install frostwire it came in a tar.gz so i tar -xvfd it, and the reulting directory has no configure or install... [23:42] fwc: i installed by using netbootin to make a slack boot stick [23:42] unetbootin? [23:43] never even heard of it heh [23:43] thepeng: are you using a slackbuild? [23:43] neonflux: thanks for the correction [23:43] does it have a autoconf? [23:43] neonflux (n=neonflux@76.225.174.73) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:43] i didnt find one on slackbuild.org, I was under the impression this was the source code [23:43] Mlanden: its a bunch of jar files and a few runfrostwire.sh [23:43] but when I sh runfrostwire.sh nothing happens [23:44] slackbuild.org doesn't host source code iirc [23:45] solved, i deleted, rextracted and now the .sh worked [23:45] asker (i=c831a231@gateway/web/freenode/x-zhzwzwjekagoyowq) joined ##slackware. [23:45] slackbuild.org has a link to source tho [23:45] asker (i=c831a231@gateway/web/freenode/x-zhzwzwjekagoyowq) left ##slackware. [23:45] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [23:45] its hilarious that every other tech support ive ever been too, ms, apple, hp takes hours to not solve my problem and starts with did you plug your computer in. You guys are free, instant, and brilliant [23:45] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:46] ok so, i should just be able to mount usbboot.img and replace the huge.s kernel in it amirite? :P [23:46] did you turn on your computer? [23:46] Thats because they support dumbasses [23:46] thepeng: and we do it in our free time? [23:46] We dont support dumbasses [23:46] exactly [23:47] Intel[R]VT-x_ (n=chatzill@124.43.157.136) joined ##slackware. [23:47] straterra: hehe [23:47] actually i DO support dumbasses, and i ask that question on the phone [23:48] and if i can't walk them through it on phone, i usually say, "i'll be there in an hour" [23:48] Intel[R]VT-x (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/sanzilla) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:48] when my vista partition hanged itself I called microsoft and they told me that my problem wasn't possible [23:48] lol [23:48] so i said fu to my boss and switched to slackware with thunderbird/lightning and google docs [23:49] unless they're outside the five boroughs [23:49] then it'll be longer [23:49] nyRednek: no Yonkers?!?....lol...:P [23:49] MLanden: yonkers is 2-1/2 hours from my front door [23:50] 45 minutes from mine [23:50] fwc: you in the bronx? [23:50] nah, north :D [23:50] fwc: poughkeepsie? [23:50] south of poughkeepsie [23:50] but yeah, that area [23:51] do you do the MHVLUG thing? [23:51] kleanchap_ (n=chatzill@p5DC300E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [23:51] fwc: don't tell me you're in fishkill [23:51] lol...'bout 15 hours from mine.....12 if no cops...SE Virginia...:P [23:51] ah i guess not, youre by the city, thats right haha [23:51] Nick change: Intel[R]VT-x_ -> Intel[R]VT-x [23:51] nyRednek: nah, right by Newburgh [23:51] fwc: ok...if you were in fishkill, i'd be there for court in a week [23:52] nyRednek: because of the truck/trailer thing ? [23:52] deco: yeppers [23:52] ahh, i have to be in Bergen for court in november.. scummy former company tried to say i stole stuff.. this is going to be fun [23:52] they allow felons on freenode? [23:52] :P [23:52] deco: that state trooper was an idiot [23:52] nyRednek: yeah [23:52] deco: i'm gonna move to dismiss [23:53] thepeng (n=master@m3a0436d0.tmodns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:53] im going to try to get the DA to press charges for falsely reporting a crime for my thing heh [23:53] oh, whtf is ldlinux.sys in the USB boot image? [23:53] deco: and if it doesn't get dismissed, i'll have fun tearing apart that cop's lack of knowledge of the law he swore to uphold [23:53] isn't it against the law to not have the papers on board though? [23:54] nokia makes some pretty shitty phones [23:54] mancha: he wrote me a ticket regarding the signage of salvage vehicles on a clorox load [23:54] antiwire: trying to hotplug? [23:54] Kumool (n=Khwerz@66-50-86-186.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] mancha: he should have written me a proof of current insurance ticket [23:54] hotplug, email, txt whatever..it all sucks on this nokia piece of crap [23:55] hello... i seem to have a problem with X randomly freezing anyone has any clues on why would it do that? [23:55] mancha: if he had written me that ticket, i'd not fight it [23:55] or xorg [23:56] mancha: but now that he wrote the ticket he wrote, i'm defending my cdl and my freedom [23:56] nyRednek, i see, g'luck then [23:56] Kumool: what's your graphic card? [23:56] ahh yay, usb boot image written.. now to see if this works :P *crosses fingers* [23:56] mancha: the ticket he wrote won't hold up in court [23:57] mancha: it's that simple...i have proof that the law he claims i violated didn't apply to me in the first place [23:57] mancha: the proof being the freight bills from that day [23:58] i've already sent those bills to the prosecutor [23:58] well, a copy of them [23:59] thepeng (n=master@m3a0436d0.tmodns.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] Kumool: what's your graphic card and what's your mesa version? [23:59] if it'sopen and shut, and the prosecutor knows this why didn't they drop the charge? [23:59] and prosecuting attorneys don't like being made a fool of in front of juries [23:59] mancha: we're still before pretrial [23:59] -any advice on configuring and using a built in webcam and stereo mics on an hp pavilion. I don't even know where to start or what to search for [23:59] mancha: he'll likely drop it in pretrial [23:59] hmm so i wonder what the issue was with the slackware 13.0 kernel [00:00] --- Tue Oct 20 2009