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[00:42] Is there any workaround for no svgalib kernel helper in -current? if the nohelper patch is not applied then compiling svgalib fails with and error implicit declaration of function 'class_device_create' [00:44] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:44] Many programs seem to rely on the helper program though (including links -g). When using kms programs are also unable to allocate fb device. [00:45] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [00:46] the only two driver options being svgalib and fb [00:46] jeev: do you have me on ignore? [00:46] this is really what jeev's colo looks like http://tinyurl.com/2yax8u [00:46] custom [00:46] whatever it takes [00:46] lmao [00:47] wario: KMS grabs the actual device, so svgalib isn't going to work [00:47] jkwood: pong [00:47] It's all cat6. he did his best [00:47] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-95-109.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:48] rworkman: okay, though until recently links -g, and other worked. thanks [00:49] rworkman: I did apply fbcondecor patch which is working fine. [00:49] wario: well, you've done more with that stuff than me then :) [00:49] heh :) [00:50] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.125.140) joined ##slackware. [00:50] /dev/fb0 does exist. i'm just trying to get to the bottom of why nothing can grab the frambuffer device [00:50] I'm pretty sure it's due to KMS. Try booting with 'nokms' as a kernel append and see how things go. [00:51] \o [00:51] okay, thanks. i'll do that. [00:51] rwork have you tried the xfce 4.6.1 (ish) core components together with terminal 0.4.4? [00:51] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-142.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [00:51] mancha: I'm using Terminal 0.4.4 now. It's part of Xfce in -current [00:52] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:52] mine won't change titles, does yours? [00:52] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [00:52] No idea; never tried [00:53] i.e. you open vim in it and the title changes to "vim" instead of the default "Terminal" [00:53] Oh, no, it doesn't do that. Is it supposed to? If so, I don't ever recall it doing that, but then, I wouldn't notice - my work style doesn't need the titles :) [00:54] it's in the preferences.. [00:55] ha i just loaded vim in Terminal 0.4.0,13.0 says thanks for flying vim after quitting [00:55] i seem to recall it working that way correctly in 0.2.x but now i've forgotten (i'd have to reinstall to be sure) [00:55] Definitely doesn't work here either. [00:56] hrmm, do you have easy access to an xfce 4.6.1 with a 0.2.x terminal? [00:57] i iagine 0.2.12 was the stable at the 4.6.1 release date.... [00:57] Nope, only 0.4.0 in 13.0 [00:58] It is an option in Terminal 0.2.x, but it doesn't seem to work very well here. [00:58] ok so to confirm, you set dynamically set title (say replace option) in prefs and zilch? [00:59] MS3FGX hrmm, ok so it doesn't work well on 0.2.x either...thought it did (my bad memory) [01:00] It seems to randomly work. I am going into and out of vim and occasionally it decides to update the title, but often not [01:00] And only if it is set to replace the title, prefixing the title doesn't seem to work at all [01:01] probably pretty low on the todo list of stuff to fix [01:01] I imagine, yeah [01:01] there's also another funky thing rwork/MS3FGX, if i open prefs in 0.4.4 it nukes my "default title" on close. the only way to re-enter a default title is to manually edit the rc file [01:02] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet. [01:03] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:04] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:04] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:04] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:05] Can't say I have ever had that happen to me, though for that matter I don't even remember the last time I messed with the Terminal settings. [01:05] so you open and close prefs and your default title field is unharmed? [01:05] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:06] Yeah, did it a few times just now. [01:07] ok it is either a 0.4.4 bug (hope rwork can confirm) or else a local bug on my boxen [01:07] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:07] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [01:08] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [01:08] I'm guessing you tried the obvious stuff like deleting the config file and let it create a new one to see if that helps? [01:08] yep [01:09] and it works fine the first time with newly created rc [01:09] then one open/close cycle and back to troublr [01:09] Yeah that is pretty odd [01:09] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:10] it is worse, after an open/close if i don't check "use login shell" then bash prints an error when terminal opens some unary thing as f trying to interpret a ill formed comparison line [01:10] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [01:10] Ugh [01:11] damn [01:11] mancha: is that -current? [01:11] this is what terminal shows on screen just before my prompt (ie instead of fortune) if i uncheck "run command as login": bash: [: =: unary operator expected [01:12] no, i am on an older [01:13] mancha: does your $HOME/.bash_profile and/or $HOME/.profile source $HOME/.bashrc? [01:13] mancha: if not, then you have a syntax error in .bashrc :) [01:14] rworkman: okay, i have some more time consuming work to do with it, though since you say svgalib wouldn't make a difference that narrowed down my debugging. Thanks again. I'll let you know when i figure it out. I'm running 33.2 kernel so it may have something to do with that though i'm not sure yet. [01:15] Good luck with it :) [01:15] i just sourced .bashrc from my trusty xterm and no errors [01:16] bah [01:16] but you are right about one thing, it is choking on .bashrc, i just mv'd it and terminal doesn't bark [01:17] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [01:18] hah, solved! [01:18] hexdump_ (~hexdump@cpe-65-185-13-167.cinci.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:19] my bashrc has an if [ $term = "blah" ]; [01:19] well terminal wasn't setting $TERM so it wasn't liking the comparison, all's solved now by "$TERM" [01:20] mancha: what did you set it to? [01:21] shemp (~shemp@66.226.201.54) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:21] wario nothing, i just make sure bash doesn't barf on an empty string comparison [01:21] ah i see. uppercase [01:21] no, the lowercase was just me being sloppy, the issue is $TERM vs "$TERM" [01:21] ahh, okay. [01:21] shemp (~shemp@66.226.201.54) joined ##slackware. [01:22] if [ x"$TERM" = "xblah" ] [01:23] right, another good solution. [01:23] rwork, if you open/clsoe 0.4.4 term prefs, does it nuke the "default title" field? [01:23] yes [01:23] I thought it should be if [ "x$TERM" ... myself, but whatever works [01:24] and with that, I'm off to bed. alisonken1noc, yes, it should. [01:24] rwork, ok so we have a couple of confirmed regressions [01:24] night bud. thanks for the assist [01:24] Have fun with them. ;-) [01:24] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:25] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [01:31] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.157.183) joined ##slackware. [01:35] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Quit: /etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start [01:37] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [01:40] neptun (~neptun@217.117.141.42) joined ##slackware. [01:43] The-Croupier (~Daywalker@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [01:43] greetings guys ;) [01:43] hows it going ;) [01:44] hi [01:45] hey guys ;0 [01:45] Niccke (~nicke@ip-131-193-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [01:46] what mirror from getslack has current-iso ;) [01:46] most of them i have checked dont :( they have 13 alright ;) [01:46] The-Croupier: the one from norway used to .no [01:46] i was hoping to get one in the us :( [01:46] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:47] why don't you get the torrent [01:47] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [01:47] and what's with all the winking [01:47] ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current-iso/ I got good speeds in the past from the us [01:48] men winking at men? [01:48] oh yeh, he's yurpean :> [01:49] lol [01:49] http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php ;) [01:49] i dont know, i guess it adds it in the end ..... [01:49] i dont get on very well with torrents so far [01:50] not -current either [01:52] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [01:53] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. 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[03:07] EXT3-ds: cannot change data mode on remount [03:08] sjamma (~9962cb45@gateway/web/freenode/x-zgjhyjyjqllgvkwg) left irc: [03:08] er, s/fs/ds/, I can't really copy/paste from it right now [03:08] www (~wrodrigue@124.124.229.181) joined ##slackware. [03:08] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [03:08] by "data mode" does it mean ordered, journalled, whatever? [03:09] slack_fish (~user@221.8.58.194) joined ##slackware. [03:09] sjamma (~9962cb45@gateway/web/freenode/x-midwgpdcpdzvmofa) joined ##slackware. [03:09] und why would the init scripts be trying to change it? (the same filesystem works fine with a different kernel BTW) [03:11] relevant line in rc.S is: /sbin/mount -w -v -n -o remount / [03:13] -w = read/write, -v = verbose, -n = don't write to /etc/fstab, -o remount = what it says. [03:13] fstab has /dev/hda3 / ext3 noatime,errors=continue,data=writeback 1 1 [03:13] which works *fine* with the same filesystem, same init scripts, different kernel. WTF? [03:15] there's a kernel option to use data=ordered for the root fs by default. [03:15] I think it's already doing that by default [03:15] and my newer kernel isn't, maybe [03:16] adding to the old kernel's lilo.conf section: append = "rootflags=data=writeback" [03:17] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-187.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:17] possibly the "data=writeback" is something I added myself after upgrading kernels and just never got around to seeing if the old kernel would boot [03:18] yeah, rootflags=data=writeback fixes it. I just get all confused when I think I have a working system, and suddenly something fundamental fails... 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[03:23] cause the current state of things is that the game freezes and possibly locks up the whole machine (or at least the keyboard & mouse) [03:25] pireau (1000@208.92.18.67) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:27] (I suppose there probably is a way to do that: openGL has functions you could use to query what extensions are supported, but I dunno if it'll tell you which functions are supported by HW and which are emulated in SW) [03:28] jlarrew (~WallRat00@c-68-43-1-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:30] ea_suter (~easuter@nat-1.uevora.pt) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:31] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.157.183) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [03:32] DBAmethyst (~panzer@69-29-105-1.stat.centurytel.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:33] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.12.72) joined ##slackware. [03:34] DBAmethyst (~panzer@69-29-105-1.stat.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. 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[04:39] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.226.113) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:40] phrag: *stab* [04:40] it is very quiet in here tonight [04:41] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Quit: Remove from screen implant in tmux [04:44] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [04:46] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-164-253.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:48] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-164-253.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [04:48] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:49] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [04:49] hy [04:50] waht should i add to /etc/fstab to allow acces as normal user to a NTFS partition [04:50] ? [04:51] oxiredo_ro: you should add the option "users" [04:51] and the file system should be "ntfs-3g" [04:51] define a mount point that is actually owned by that user [04:52] /home/username/NTFS, for instance [04:52] and you are good to go [04:52] my user should have rwx acces /home/username/NTFS [04:52] ? [04:52] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:53] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:53] No oxiredo_ro . Mount the NTFS partition using ntfs-3g with the option "umask=000" to allow all user write access [04:54] You can mount someplace below /mnt [04:54] k [04:54] 10x all [04:57] Add this to /etc/fstab for instance (assuming /dev/sdX is your partition and you create /mnt/windows first): "/dev/sdX /mnt/windows ntfs-3g umask=000 1 0" [04:57] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:58] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. 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[05:45] public_html == 755, public_html/dir == 755, and cgi under that are +x also [05:45] but the cgi arent execing [05:46] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.253) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:47] any clues? [05:50] tripFantastic: Options +ExecCGI [05:51] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:51] ah tyvm [05:51] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [05:51] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:52] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:56] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:56] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [05:57] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [05:57] Zordrak didnt ehelp [05:58] error_log [05:58] and now i cant access the dir via bowser [05:58] apache is remote [05:58] not my box [05:58] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. 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[06:58] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-awpsvcjivkizssir) joined ##slackware. [06:59] can anybody help me about daul boot mac os x and slackware [06:59] you're running slackware on apple hardware? [07:00] ananke: i would guess an x86 macbook [07:01] Zordrak: either any x86 apple hardware or running osx on non-apple hardware, which is a no-no [07:01] Zordrak: Or generic hardware [07:01] And there is a difference as to how you do things [07:02] i use mac in non-apple [07:02] Then you do it like you would with any other two operating systems [07:02] Sushiyant: consider it not supported by apple's macosx, and prohibited by their license [07:02] Just write lilo/grub to the mbr and use it to boot..as for the OSX part, ask the hackintosh crowd [07:03] Doing it is very easy [07:03] most likely you'd just use chainloading in grub [07:04] Right, but you have to rewrite chameleon..or whatever EFI loader you're using to the partitions superblock [07:04] Depending on how you had it previously configured [07:05] sad thing i have at least 6 decent servers that i can't use for anything other than macosx. i'll just send them to surplus [07:06] xserves? [07:06] yep [07:06] I hate those things [07:06] because of EFI i can't get anything to boot from them [07:07] Really? [07:07] yep [07:07] I know Server 2008 and newer support EFI [07:07] and the Linux kernel does too [07:07] hmm, really. i'll have to check that out today [07:07] well, linux kernel supporting efi doesn't mean xserve will actually boot anything [07:07] I just don't know if any distros actually USE the EFI support [07:07] True [07:08] But yeah..2008 and 2008 R2 both support EFI and GPT [07:08] that's the thing, i can't get xserves to boot from any media other than macosx dvds [07:08] That's..pretty lame [07:08] Have you tried from USB? [07:08] yep [07:09] I bey they werent cheap either [07:10] actually, they were inexpensive. if i recall, roughly $2-2.5k/ea [07:10] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:10] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.2.153) joined ##slackware. [07:10] That's not too bad [07:10] Too expensive for the company I work for [07:10] I just got a couple of new HP Procurves and got bitched at because they are $1800 each [07:11] yesterday i was spec'ing out $24k servers from dell, c6100 units [07:11] heh [07:11] I'd never get approval for that [07:11] I'm still limping along on two IBM x346's at our main location [07:11] new director wants us to become 'hpc' facility again. so i was told to start building a cluster in $50k increments [07:12] Lucky you [07:12] this is a failure to recognize the market. we don't have a way to recoup that costs, not to mention we have another central resource on campus for clusters [07:13] don't get me wrong, i can build one and maintain it, but real cake is application/programming support for porting code. we don't have staff for that, and scientists in general don't do computing if it's hard [07:13] 7PM..still at work..and I just got asked to go tone out and hook up a bunch of network lines [07:13] No idea why it has to be done at 7PM..but yeah [07:13] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:15] o/t? [07:15] Hell no [07:15] I'm salary [07:15] haha :) those directors time to time su*! just got new job - to specify costs for rebuilding 5 years old it infrastructure to meet todays needs. When i showed how much it would cost... appr. the same 50k$, they say - no, no, let's stick with current one :D [07:15] brb [07:15] sucks [07:15] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [07:15] heh [07:18] what five year old infrastructure? [07:18] am, server software/hardware, placement, ups, etc. [07:19] 5 years is ancient in computer terms [07:19] Zplay (~Zplay@vol21-4-88-166-136-159.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Quit: Quitte [07:19] Sushiyant (~samiz@unaffiliated/sushiyant) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:21] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6D560.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:24] Well, that was fun [07:25] goj (~goj@p4FE6CECF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [07:25] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [07:27] paissad (~paissad-s@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:28] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-hwwjcgggapmuwqhg) joined ##slackware. [07:29] paissad (~paissad-s@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Client Quit [07:29] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:29] paissad (~paissad-s@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:32] paissad (~paissad-s@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Client Quit [07:33] paissad (~paissad-s@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:34] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:35] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:35] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [07:45] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [07:47] phreak_ (~phreak@pool-71-249-10-105.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:47] phreak_ (phreak@pool-71-249-10-105.nycmny.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [07:51] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [07:53] why does it always say can't open dev sound when i play movies with mplayer? is it because i haven't added myself to audio group? but there's sound anyways. i just find it an annoyance [07:53] stunix (1000@85.19.183.98) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:53] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Disconnected by services [07:53] jg71_ (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [07:53] to always have to click OK when i play a movie [07:54] stuart__: By default, mplayer tries to use oss first for audio., [07:54] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:54] It fails (hence the error) and reverts to alsa, which works. [07:54] stunix (1000@85.19.183.98) joined ##slackware. [07:54] try checking mplayer audio settings to use alsa first [07:54] You can get mplayer to use alsa by default by creating a ~/.mplayer/config file and adding: [07:54] ao=alsa [07:55] oh i see [07:55] voila. [07:55] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:56] thanks. also, why does plugging in a USB give me org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method call" etc. etc. (i can't copy the error message) [07:56] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [07:57] user not part of the plugdev group? [07:58] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) got netsplit. 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[08:02] hm, still same thing, maybe it's permissions? [08:03] couldn't be though, because it's root:plugdev and i'm in group plugdev. hm. [08:03] hmmm [08:04] sQuEE (~narya@201.252.25.192) got lost in the net-split. [08:04] snihf (~snihf@legendary.xserve.fr) got lost in the net-split. [08:04] jgor (~jgor@loki.indiecom.org) got lost in the net-split. [08:04] signal11 (esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) got lost in the net-split. [08:04] merciful (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) got lost in the net-split. [08:04] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-143-133.fv.ks.cox.net) got lost in the net-split. [08:04] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) got lost in the net-split. [08:04] stillborn (~quietborn@romeo-16.srv.hosting.fi) got lost in the net-split. [08:04] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) got lost in the net-split. [08:04] Guest26426 (~urban@c-62-220-167-246.cust.bredband2.com) got lost in the net-split. [08:04] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) got lost in the net-split. [08:04] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) got lost in the net-split. [08:04] but that's /dev/hdb1. where does slack load it's usb by default? [08:04] mount* [08:04] gaz (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:04] maybe i should chown the mount point [08:04] gaz (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [08:04] hdb1? which version of slackware? thumbdrives should be sd* [08:04] gaz (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:04] yep sorry sdb1. [08:04] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [08:04] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [08:04] Guest26426 (~urban@c-62-220-167-246.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [08:04] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:04] stillborn (~quietborn@romeo-16.srv.hosting.fi) joined ##slackware. [08:04] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) joined ##slackware. [08:04] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-143-133.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [08:04] merciful (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:04] sQuEE (~narya@201.252.25.192) joined ##slackware. [08:04] signal11 (esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) joined ##slackware. [08:04] jgor (~jgor@loki.indiecom.org) joined ##slackware. [08:04] is sdb1 in your fstab? [08:05] sec.. [08:06] no it isn't. do i need to restart after editing fstab? [08:06] no [08:06] typically, automounts for thumbdrives in kde go to /media/ [08:07] what version of slack are you running? [08:07] do i set mount type to auto in fstab? [08:07] 13 [08:07] 32bit [08:08] no - leave sdb out of fstab for automount [08:08] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [08:08] is there something in dmesg about the thumbdrive? [08:08] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:09] yep, sdb1 removable SCSI disk [08:09] why i can not logout from kde with ++ ; i get a black screen ? [08:09] slackware 64 -current * [08:10] oxiredo_ro, that's not the normal logout - that's only if X is hung [08:10] i don't get it everything should be alright once i plug this USB in. maybe it's not formatted? [08:11] try cfdisk /dev/sdb1 (as root) and see what it is [08:11] how can i put a normal logaut comand to ctrl+alt+bksp ? [08:11] sorry - /dev/sdb [08:11] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:11] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:11] ooo, bad primary partition 0 [08:11] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) joined ##slackware. [08:11] oxiredo_ro, not recommended - that's the last-ditch kill X [08:11] stu_, on sdb or sdb1? [08:12] alisonken1noc: both [08:12] cfdisk works on the disk, not the partition level, so sdb1 should give errors [08:12] if you have bad partition error on sdb, then there's a problem [08:12] snihf (~snihf@legendary.xserve.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:13] either that or it's formatted for an unknown partition type [08:14] hm, maybe i should try formatting it first, but mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1 doesn't seem to work [08:14] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:15] command not found [08:15] kawum (~kawum@brln-4d0caadb.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:16] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430454.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:17] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:17] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [08:17] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [08:17] stunix (1000@85.19.183.98) left irc: Quit: When all are one and one is all, to be a rock and not to roll. [08:18] formatted and it still fails to mount, it says : Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.56" (uid=1000 pid=5353 comm="exo-mount --hal-udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/v") interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member="Mount" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="org.freedesktop.Hal" (uid=0 pid=3225 comm="/usr/sbin/hald --daemon=yes ")). [08:18] have to be root [08:18] to format [08:18] yup, formatted, now i just can't automount and i can't find out why [08:19] Niccke (~Sn00B@ip-52-195-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [08:19] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:19] was there previous data you want to save on it? [08:19] hi i am trying to compile a tool that requires gtk+2.16 >, slackware 13 comes with 2.14. should i just be able to remove 2.14 then compile 2.16? [08:19] alisonken1noc: nope, just a fresh usb [08:19] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:19] stu_, ok - run cfdisk again and create a new partition [08:20] then try formatting [08:20] stunix (1000@85.19.183.98) joined ##slackware. [08:20] I have downloaded a pluggin for firefox but were do I put it [08:20] gaz: see if there's an update to gtk+ in the 13.0 repository - otherwise you may have to rebuild gtk+ 2.16 or whatever [08:20] ~/.mozilla/plugins/ [08:21] Niccke, where Dominian said for you, or /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins for everyone [08:21] yep [08:21] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [08:21] I tought I should be /usr/lib/firefox or something but its no such dir [08:21] or /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins if you are on x86_64 [08:21] unless you're on slackware64, then it's /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins [08:21] alisonken1noc: haha [08:21] heh [08:21] yeah Im on 64 [08:22] ok - /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins for everyone then [08:22] or ~/.mozilla/plugins just for you [08:22] alisonken1home, thanks for the advise, when you say the 13 repository is there a link to this? [08:22] be sure you're root before trying to put it in the global directory [08:22] that dir dosent exist so I have to create it then [08:23] gaz: one of the slackware mirrors, or try using slackpkg after editing /etc/slackpkg/mirrors for a local repo for you [08:23] Niccke, which one? /usr/lib64/mozilla or ~/.mozilla/plugins? [08:24] sorry it did [08:24] which folder does usb automatically get mounted on in slackware? /media/usb? [08:24] Now its working thanks :) [08:24] Niccke, also, have to close firefox before the new plugin is recognized [08:24] yeah thanks [08:25] . /media/ - but the namemay be sdb1 or something else - if you're in kde, check the automount icon next to the menu icon for new devices [08:25] alisonken1home, aah there must not be one available as i regularly run slackpkg,guess i will have to compile the newer version of gtk and glib, should it be safe to uninstall the ones that come with slackware [08:25] gaz: hmmm - not as easy as you may think since gtk+ and glib are system libs [08:26] thats what i was thinking [08:26] i may try intall them to an alternative directory [08:26] i mean i can do whatever in terminal, but little annoyances like these are kinda a pet peeve [08:26] if you want to be adventurous - try -current, it has gtk+2.18 [08:27] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [08:27] sorry - gtk+ 1.2.10 and gtk+2 2.18 [08:27] ive been thinking about trying current to be honest, its only for my laptop so i understand things can and probably will break [08:28] at times but from someone who uses it what is the experience of current like? [08:28] stu_: has anyone yet suggested that you add your account to "plugdev" to make automount work? [08:28] I'm running -current on this desktop - a dell from about 4 years ago [08:28] working fine so far [08:28] alienBOB: yup already did so, didn't help, it just gives the error i pasted above in dolphin when i click on USB [08:29] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [08:29] gaz, it rarely breaks; if you pay attention, it'll be seemless 95% of the time [08:29] stu_: and you did logout and then log back in before trying that? [08:29] thanks i think ill give it a blast [08:29] it seems taht i can not install nvdia propritar drivers [08:29] alienBOB: yessiree [08:29] thrice`, my home lenovo desktop xx86_64 seems to have an issue with kernel 2.6.33.1 though - kernel panics about killing init [08:29] i get some kernel error [08:29] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:30] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:30] sounds like fun :p [08:30] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [08:30] possible issues with libsata from seeing the chats from yesterday [08:30] mako-dono (~mako@81.22.30.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:30] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:31] libata? [08:31] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.92.69) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:31] well, it's the sata drives that seem to have an issue since it boots from cd on hdb [08:31] also is there any documentation on linux groups (/etc/groups) i appreciate most of them are self explanatory but as a single user on my laptop i am unsure what groups are safe to add users to and groups which i should not be apart of as an unpriveldged user? [08:32] gaz: when adding a user using useradd, when it asks for additional groups just hit the up arrow [08:32] can u tell me how to install nvidia drivers ( i tried those from slackbuild; and from nvidia web page) [08:32] ? [08:32] oxiredo_ro: http://blog.tpa.me.uk [08:32] oxiredo_ro: one of the most recent posts [08:32] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.92.69) joined ##slackware. [08:33] in fact: [08:33] nope, still says [08:33] Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.88" (uid=1000 pid=5858 comm="exo-mount -n -h /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volum") interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member="Mount" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="org.freedesktop.Hal" (uid=0 pid=3225 comm="/usr/sbin/hald --daemon=yes ")) [08:33] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430454.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:33] oxiredo_ro: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2010/04/09/configuring-nvidia-cards-on-slackware/ [08:33] alisonken1noc, great tip didnt know that [08:34] should be part of the adduser script output help text [08:35] and i get this error when running mplayer: [08:35] mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libgif.so.4: cannot [08:35] alisonken1noc, indeed, probably should try speed my way through it pressing enter. Its because i normally add people to groups after creating them :p [08:35] * open shared object file: No such file or directory [08:35] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.79.151) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:36] oxiredo_ro, did you do a full install of slackware? [08:36] yes [08:36] just kidding, I know the answer is no [08:36] and i did a slackpck upgrade-all [08:37] oxiredo_ro, did you upgrade-all to -current? [08:37] y think yes:P [08:37] yes [08:37] if so, then you may have an issue with nvidia drivers not working with the new kernel [08:37] oxiredo_ro, ls /var/log/packages/gif* ? [08:37] hmm the plugin dosent seam to work anyway I placed it in /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins then restarted firefox [08:38] not such file [08:38] Niccke, try "about:plugins" and see what firefox shows [08:38] b back later... [08:38] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:38] Niccke, what plugin? [08:38] oxiredo_ro, you missed a critical part of the update [08:39] too late :) [08:39] libflashplayer.so [08:39] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [08:40] you need to get the x86_64 flash plugin [08:40] I dont have that option if you mean in the firefox meny [08:40] Niccke: I had the same problem, use the slackbuild for it ;) [08:40] in root thunar i can copy and paste in the USB, but as a normal user with plugdev group i can't :/ [08:41] xMDKx ah ok [08:41] Niccke: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/multimedia/flash-player-plugin/ [08:42] s0ttle (~mike@99-179-121-193.lightspeed.tpkaks.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:42] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:42] thanks alot :) [08:43] try sbopkg as well - makes going through slackbuilds.org fun [08:43] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) joined ##slackware. [08:43] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.79.151) joined ##slackware. [08:44] hello [08:44] yo [08:45] ok Ill try that out [08:51] merciful (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:52] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [08:52] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Quit: )(ã_â) ) [08:52] j0z (~SPH@189.26.44.201) joined ##slackware. [08:52] j0z (~SPH@189.26.44.201) left irc: Changing host [08:52] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [08:54] merciful (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:54] merciful (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Client Quit [08:54] merciful (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:59] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [08:59] Gulug (old-times@134-100-73-76.ipv4.gulug.com.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:59] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[09:15] nice :) [09:16] Niccke: alternatively, for a package not yet installed, vim (and other tools) will allow you to view the directory structure of the package [09:17] yeah should check that first :) [09:17] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:17] Niccke: theres also explodepkg thats basically just an untar [09:17] merciful (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:18] or append 'tar tvf package.tgz >> file_list.txt' or something will probably work :> [09:18] indeed [09:18] actualmind (~bd5aa03c@gateway/web/freenode/x-yusiriiokprwzwav) joined ##slackware. [09:21] oh ok I have always just used tar.. [09:22] yeah buts its always god to here about alternatives [09:22] this place is sure good for learning [09:23] dissociative (~alejandro@190.71.17.199) joined ##slackware. [09:24] does running 64 bit software makes the cpu to dissipate more heat than 32-bit software? [09:25] mako-dono (~mako@81.22.30.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:25] No [09:25] how would software affect the hardware ? [09:25] Dominian, in many ways [09:25] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:26] dissociative, all the major comercial cpus today are 64, atom including with its 25w [09:26] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:26] I had the case of a laptop that would shutted down two times booting 64 bit linux distro [09:26] shut [09:27] mako-dono (~mako@81.22.30.238) joined ##slackware. [09:27] guax: Yeah, I'm not hardware guru.. so no idea :) [09:27] v4nelle (~van@79.107.205.64) joined ##slackware. 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[10:30] tried 'autoconf', wasn't a success [10:32] maybe autogen.sh [10:32] Is there an autogen? [10:32] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:33] Ouchi (~michaelou@187.46.220.129) joined ##slackware. [10:33] or try autoreconf [10:35] no autogen.sh, and autoreconf complains about lack of config.guess and other files [10:35] Try "autoreconf -vif" then [10:37] alienBOB, you're a magician, it worked. [10:37] thanks. [10:37] Ouchi (~michaelou@187.46.220.129) left irc: Client Quit [10:42] sjamma (~9962cb45@gateway/web/freenode/x-midwgpdcpdzvmofa) left irc: Quit: Page closed [10:43] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:45] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:46] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [10:48] Ouchi (~michaelou@187.46.220.129) joined ##slackware. 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[11:07] v4nelle (~van@79.107.205.64) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:07] rt3070sta is in the current kernel ...can i just upgrade my kernel with slackpkg ? ..or would i need to upgrade anything else aswell ? [11:07] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [11:07] slack_fish (~slack_fis@59.72.110.45) left irc: Client Quit [11:09] stokachu (~phuk@cpe-173-095-175-246.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:12] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.188) joined ##slackware. [11:13] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:14] imper: just make a backup so you can boot your old kernel again in case something goes wrong [11:14] groo_ (~groo@189.65.205.151) joined ##slackware. [11:14] groo_ (~groo@189.65.205.151) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:15] imper: kernel source is in k/ kernel modules/firmware is in a/ and kernel headers are in d/ [11:16] wario, use slackpkg upgrade kernel ? [11:17] imper: or upgradepkg [11:18] stokachu (~phuk@cpe-173-095-175-246.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:19] just keep your original kernel around as a second entry in lilo just in case. [11:19] ok ill do that thanks [11:19] no prob [11:20] stokachu (~phuk@cpe-173-095-175-246.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:20] upgradepkg or slackpkg will rm them ? [11:20] remove the old kernel [11:21] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: Quit: be right back [11:21] I think so. I stay with the latest from kernel.org usually so it doesn't remove those, though I think upgradepkg will. [11:22] imper: it won't remove /lib/modules/2.6.29.6 though [11:22] ok ..so just backup /boot images ? [11:22] i'm not 100% about the actual kernel in /boot/ so make a backup. ;) [11:23] then add an entry into lilo just in case. [11:24] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) joined ##slackware. [11:25] ok will do that ty ..another question wario i have more than one install on this hdd of slack ...ive tried adding them but lilo cant see them cause they are on another partition ..you got a link to setting lilo up that way ...ive been using grub ..but want to know howto setup lilo that way [11:26] pireau (1000@208.92.18.67) joined ##slackware. [11:26] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-164-253.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:28] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-138-175.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:30] imper: different versions? [11:30] pireau (1000@208.92.18.67) left irc: Changing host [11:30] pireau (1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [11:30] no all same versions [11:30] imper: i would just tell lilo what partition to boot as root for each one [11:30] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-cjafvajaqeunfafj) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:31] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Quit: f(tmux); [11:31] root=/dev/xxx [11:31] and the label [11:31] no image = /boot/vmlinuz ? [11:32] if they are using the same kernel version and you haven't modified it then you could do that [11:33] Ouchi (~michaelou@187.46.220.129) left irc: Quit: See you later !!!! [11:33] it doesn't really matter to lilo. [11:34] so i have ainstall on hda3 [11:34] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [11:34] root = /dev/hda3 [11:34] label = other_one [11:34] read-only [11:34] and thats it ? [11:34] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [11:35] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:35] I misunderstood. You _do_ need image=/boot/xxxxxx on each one [11:35] i'm saying it doesn't matter if they share the same kernel though [11:35] ok [11:36] i still can not install nvidia proprietary driver ;i still tryed this too: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2010/04/09/configuring-nvidia-cards-on-slackware/ [11:36] no succes [11:36] (i am running slackware64 -current [11:36] oxiredo_ro: which driver version? [11:36] ill try that wario think i must done something wrong before kept giving me errors [11:36] oxiredo_ro: If you dont tell us the problem we cant help [11:36] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:37] oxiredo_ro, erros, plz [11:37] errors* [11:37] is the driver :NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-195.36.15-pkg0.run [11:37] errors in a sec:... [11:37] oxiredo_ro: thats your problem [11:37] what? [11:37] you need pkg2 not pkg0 [11:38] (afaik) [11:39] nvision (~nvision@g224249148.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:39] oxiredo_ro: always get the highest numbered nvidia driver. it's usually what is needed on most kernels [11:39] oxiredo_ro: when you went to the nvidia site to downlroad the driver did you specify x86_64? [11:40] "linux_64 bin" [11:40] i try again.. [11:40] ? [11:40] oxiredo_ro: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/195.36.15/ [11:41] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [11:41] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: Quit: brb [11:42] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) joined ##slackware. [11:42] hey guys, haveing a real problem with firefox on slackware current, it keeps freezing after loading, for liek 10 seconds at a time... disabled all addons, removed ~/.mozilla-firefox ...still the same, any idea's how i can pin point the problem? [11:43] you could strace it to see what its doing.. but just thinking if theres a simpler starting point [11:43] we are having some network issues at moment, but that should not lock the entire browser and cause the window to distort/hang/freeze [11:43] GArik (~wesnoth@93-81-220-155.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:43] strace is a good idea, thanks [11:43] do you have like weird flash on your homepage? [11:43] nope, nothing like that [11:43] firefox has a -safe-mode flag or something too [11:44] oh yeah [11:44] which makes trying it without profiles / add-on crap pretty easy [11:44] like just loading google.com, it's frozen the whole browser [11:44] i'll give safemode a go and strace... although not sure what i'm debugging =P [11:45] nope same [11:46] if i open ff, in safe mode too, i can't click the menu bars.. in fact it just froze kde for a second [11:46] this is really pissing me off.. can;t figure out wtf is going on, htop isn#t showign high load or anything [11:46] phrag: I had some problems with some permissions once and firefox. i ended up doing a chown -R user:group /home/user and it fixed. [11:46] it's a long shot though it worked once for me. [11:47] worth a shot, and can't hurt =) [11:47] nope :) [11:48] also taking like 20 seconds to load o.0 [11:48] hmm.. [11:48] same issue.. i'm going to cry =P [11:48] reinstalled? [11:48] firefox yeh [11:49] i had a *completely* bizarre issue when I had wicd running, that GTK menus took 5 seconds or so to spawn [11:49] actually browsing is fine, just when i try to click on the gui menu [11:50] imper (~imp@212.183.140.54) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:50] killing the wicd process, stopping the daemon, and using only rc.inet1.conf, my issue went away [11:51] i've even restarted the box... just froze kde there again too... might try moving ~/.kde in case its a WM issue [11:51] thrice`: was it wicd-client or the daemon giving the prob you thinK? [11:52] because wicd-curses might work [11:53] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: Quit: bbbiab [11:55] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:56] nope, the wicd daemon caused my FF menu issue. I know it's not related whatsoever, but I could reproduce it almost every time [11:57] ahh [11:58] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) joined ##slackware. [11:58] Ouchi (~michaelou@187.46.220.129) joined ##slackware. [12:00] serious, wtf [12:01] if i run from firefox from the console, get 'Usage:program_name [address][:port] [12:01] Zplay (~Zplay@vol21-4-88-166-136-159.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:01] spammed to screen every 10 seconds or so, still locking up [12:01] i'm at the point of wiping the entire box and switching to something other than current [12:02] i've never had this kind of issue before, seems completely random [12:02] you behind a proxy? [12:02] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: Client Quit [12:03] well, in a vpn [12:03] phrag: search the internet its full of results for that. its not limited to firefox [12:03] we have had network issues today, but could that cause firefox gtk to freeze? [12:04] sahk0: what issue? gtk freezing for no apparent reason ? [12:04] phrag: idk, how is seamonkey acting? [12:04] try other gtk apps [12:04] phrag: yeah something like that [12:04] eg http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=814089 [12:05] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:05] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) joined ##slackware. [12:05] yep, seamonkey exactly the same issue [12:06] is your /etc/hosts strange? [12:06] wait no, seamonkey is fine [12:06] thrice`: it maybe, been hacking and catting on it lately [12:06] well [12:07] so seamonkey works fine, firefox gtk lags for 10-20 seconds [12:07] try a more stock /etc/hosts that just uses localhost [12:07] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-188-120.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:07] will give that a try, thanks [12:08] Grifulkin (~grifulkin@MRT133-15473.potsdam.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:08] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:09] same issue using differnt hosts file, unless i need to restart inet1 [12:09] nah [12:10] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [12:10] i'm absolutely lost then... guess it's time to wipe and downgrade to 13.1.. can't have instability on my work machine, this has cost me half the day tryign to fix it =P [12:10] i mean 13.0 [12:11] 8'( [12:11] what's wrong with -current? [12:11] ^^ [12:12] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:12] it's broke on me completely randomly! [12:12] bleeber (~bleeber@pool-71-180-115-58.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:12] well firefox has.. i've ran -current for years and never had this problem [12:13] Im sure this has been asked, but whats going on with the slackware site. [12:13] gtk? [12:13] 3.6.3? [12:14] gtk+-1.2.10 gtk+2-2.18.7 [12:14] oh ff [12:14] i meant ff version [12:14] 3.6.3 yeh [12:14] strange, i'm on 13.0 and running 3.6.3.. no issues yet :-/ [12:15] what's missing from seamonkey thats in firefox? [12:15] just branding? [12:15] all the addons [12:15] not compatible? [12:15] well, seamonkey doesn't use xulrunner [12:15] it has its own engine [12:15] you could get chrome from slackbuilds [12:15] is everyone aware that the slackware site is not responding? [12:16] bleeber, yes [12:16] bleeber, yeah just checked [12:16] wertik_rus: thanks. Do we have an ETA on its return? [12:16] bleeber: we are now, don't worry, someone will be on it =P [12:16] use a mirror, that's what they're for =) [12:17] bleeber, what do you need anyway? [12:18] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: Quit: rebooting winders.. blech [12:18] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [12:18] echelon: Just went to go read up and see whats new and such and noticed it was down. Just wanted to inform those responsible and figured someone here could handle that [12:19] ah ok :) [12:19] mario (~mario@orion.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [12:21] Grifulkin (~grifulkin@MRT133-15473.potsdam.edu) left irc: Quit: Java user signed off [12:21] i did $ sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-195.36.15-pkg2.run (is the right way? );;;it can not install [12:21] http://pastebin.com/1wLVtbWK [12:22] oxiredo_ro: -current? [12:22] yes [12:22] did you blacklist nouveau? [12:22] you need to blacklist nouveau [12:23] no [12:23] how..?:d [12:23] modprobe -r nouveau [12:23] and then add it to you blacklist.conf [12:24] umm, /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf or so [12:24] ok;tnx [12:24] nouveau ;is the problem that dont let me install nvidia driver?? [12:24] yes [12:25] FATAL: Module nouveau is in use. [12:25] shoud i be off X [12:25] ? [12:25] add it to blacklist and reboot [12:25] ok [12:25] yes, or leave X [12:25] if i want to leave X;it hungs (a black screen) [12:26] just reboot ;) [12:26] Yeah, nouveau is bound to fbcon anyway. [12:26] Grifulkin (~grifulkin@MRT133-15473.potsdam.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:26] So you'll likely need to reboot. [12:28] rebooting [12:28] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) joined ##slackware. [12:28] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:29] Grifulkin (~grifulkin@MRT133-15473.potsdam.edu) left irc: Client Quit [12:29] Grifulkin (~grifulkin@MRT133-15473.potsdam.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:30] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:30] Anybody here using Slackware current and KDE? [12:30] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp-131-132.redrover.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:32] How many people run Slackware -current? [12:32] mario (~mario@orion.slackverse.org) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:32] If there are, could you please tell me if there's still XML completion (CTRL+ENTER) in Kate. I just tried Kate in Ubuntu 9.10, and it's missing this lovely feature for those of who are using XML a lot. :o) [12:32] 42 [12:33] mario (~mario@orion.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [12:33] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [12:34] have you considered #ubuntu? [12:34] mancha: i couldnt get into the channel they said my head was too big [12:35] ThomasLocke or reading the kate changelog? [12:35] Eh?? I'm a Slackware user who're currently using 12.1, but have considered moving to the next version of Slackware. But Kate is a crucial tool in my work. A friend of mine had Ubuntu installed, so I tried it on his computer, and failed to find the XML completion tool. [12:36] ThomasLocke: If you want to go to 13.. I'd suggest reading the upgrade.txt doc [12:36] as you'll probably want to go to 12.2 then 13 [12:36] So, I thought I'd stay with 12.1 if Kate in Slackware/KDE was also missing XML completion. :o) [12:36] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [12:36] ok;it worked;tnx [12:36] Thimas, fair point, you'll prolly find lots of users here who can assist with that test [12:37] tuxdev (~tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:38] why would they remove such a feature anyways? doesn't make sense to.... [12:38] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-154-105-133.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [12:39] Thomas, google informs the world that this worked on kde3's kate with a plugin thats not been ported yet to kde4 [12:41] Action: ThomasLocke is sad [12:41] Oh well then, I guess I'm staying on KDE3.5 then. [12:44] Ouchi (~michaelou@187.46.220.129) left irc: Quit: See you later !!!! 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[13:05] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-ntpvqmzxkbomyhnl) joined ##slackware. [13:05] I cant get my soundcard working [13:05] what have you tried so far? [13:05] I have run alsaconf and alsamixer [13:05] dosent help [13:05] does root have sound? [13:06] no [13:06] can you hear other things around the house? doorbell., tv, radio, etc? [13:06] haha! [13:06] yeah [13:06] :> [13:06] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:07] I have a file in /etc/modprobe.d/sound [13:07] that alsa created [13:07] snd-blah.conf ? [13:08] do you mean asound.conf in /etc [13:09] no i meant what file was created in /etc/modprobe.d [13:09] only sound [13:10] what's it say? cat /etc/modprobe.d/sound [13:11] alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel [13:11] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:11] alias sound-slot-0 snd-hda-intel [13:12] Axelpalm (~alch@77-233-87-91.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [13:12] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:13] Grifulkin (~grifulkin@MRT133-15473.potsdam.edu) left irc: Quit: Java user signed off [13:13] dustybin (~dustybin@thinkdebian.org) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:13] and when I look in rc.d rc.alsa is aktiv during start [13:13] SlackNews (moo@apple.chaosorigin.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:16] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: l8r [13:17] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [13:17] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [13:17] dustybin (~dustybin@thinkdebian.org) joined ##slackware. [13:17] any ides ? [13:18] if i wanted to update my slackware system, am i right in thinking there are 3 parts to it [13:18] 1) update / compile kernel [13:18] Not really but I am in the middle of dinner. It is 4/20 though so I am confident it'll work. [13:18] 2) update the base system [13:19] 3) update all extra stuff you might of compiled on top of it [13:19] dustybin (dustybin@thinkdebian.org) left ##slackware. [13:19] dustybin (~dustybin@thinkdebian.org) joined ##slackware. [13:19] why is compiling your own kernel step 1? o_O [13:19] thrice`: im talking about updating [13:20] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-216-254.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [13:20] brb [13:20] dustybin (dustybin@thinkdebian.org) left ##slackware. [13:20] uhh,, [13:20] I'm aware, I got that from "13:17 dustybin| if i wanted to update my slackware system," [13:20] anyone use bitpim? [13:20] dustybin (~dustybin@thinkdebian.org) joined ##slackware. [13:20] only thing they have are the binaries [13:21] imagine i wanted to compile the latest stable kernel version from kernel.org [13:21] Imagine all the people.... [13:21] update kernel ---> update base system ---> update all the extra bits [13:21] no, step 1 is completely independent [13:22] they are all indpenedent [13:22] you can do it at any time, and is not required to happen when you update [13:22] indeed [13:22] if it's on sf, shouldn't they have the source too? [13:22] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:23] I rarely waste time on compiling kernels. Here I have a slamd64-12.1 running a slackware64-current generic kernel. mkinitrd(8) is your friend. [13:23] Is there any other way to configure the soundcard execpt from alsa [13:24] shemp: latest kernel versions include special drivers for my tv cards etc [13:25] dustybin is a troll, proceed at own risk [13:25] mancha: please stop saying that :( [13:25] I think -current is now .33.1, I would call recent. [13:26] dustybin: the upgrade.txt file on your local mirror will tell you the proper procedure if you are going from one version of slack to the next [13:26] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [13:26] ace :D [13:26] frankd (1003@cpe-24-161-9-57.hvc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:26] zx10k1 (~nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) joined ##slackware. [13:28] hi folks, are there any disadvantages on switching slack-64 to multilib? [13:28] dustybin: there is nothing wrong with compiling your own custom kernel , however its not a requirement for upgrading [13:28] ok [13:28] zx10k1: occasional slackbuild errors [13:28] I do it keep my kernel lean as possible, removing features i do not use [13:28] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [13:29] sedawk (~sedawk@189.75.126.205) joined ##slackware. [13:29] *to keep [13:29] i would like to start off with a real basic minimal base system, and install the base bits i need as i go along [13:29] GooseYArd, which pressumably come from bad slackbuilds? [13:30] Society has imposed on us that lean is good. Waife's are in vogue and stuff. I much prefer my kernel to have some curves, some meat on her bones. [13:30] mancha: sounds like a debian girl [13:31] hello buddies, i have the following text: ":name (SW-BLOG-161.148.20.37)\n:ClassName (SNMP)\n:ipaddr (161.148.20.37)\n:ClassName (host_plain)", i need to create a file with the folowing text: "SW-BLOG-161.148.20.37, SNMP, 161.148.20.37, host_plain" , ne1 help me please? :D [13:31] zx10k1: yeah, a handful need patching to keep autoconf from finding things in /usr/lib ahead of /usr/lib64 [13:31] zx10k1: not very many though [13:31] sedawk, you need to change your nick [13:32] mancha hahaha e tu eh palmerense [13:32] zx10k1: because multilib is a unsupported addon. [13:33] ok, but why doesnt slack-64 come as multilib officially then? [13:33] That does not mean it is bad or does not work, just most slackbuilds are made for offical. [13:33] 64 being the key there [13:34] heheh [13:34] zx10k1 i don't think there's an intelligent answer to that [13:34] I think the reasoning is if you need 32 bit apps then you should install 32bit slackware. [13:35] Action: dustybin looks forward to slackbook 3.0 [13:35] true.. theres still a few apps that are not delivered for 64 bit archs [13:35] XGizzmo, which is like saying you don't even need the neat wall-plug travel adaptors. If you need to use funky round tri-plugs move to England. [13:36] round? [13:36] No, it's not. [13:36] well if you setup a 64 bit system you pretty much moved to england [13:37] xsamurai: to ... England? [13:37] i meant flat, the two flat one direction and the third in teh other [13:37] once in awhile you like to visit skype land , then you need your travel adapter (multilib system) [13:37] XGizzmo, yes it is. [13:37] thumbs: its convoluted conversation with xyz references [13:39] mcury (~mcury@189.24.8.85) joined ##slackware. [13:39] thumbs: not hating on 64, i run it as well outside of England =) [13:42] bleh.. i made up my mind, i'll keep my system pure [13:42] they should port their apps to 64 bit anyway [13:43] zx10k1: =) [13:43] mcury (~mcury@189.24.8.85) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:44] right because the purpose of an OS is to limit the amount of tools that runs on it [13:44] after all it's not coincidential that most apps that dont' ship for 64 bit are non-Free [13:45] Canonical (~Canonical@hyadesinc/captain/paula-eu-tiamo/canonical) joined ##slackware. [13:46] mcury (~mcury@189.24.8.85) joined ##slackware. [13:47] so i take it no one has had interface/gtk lag / hanging in firefox on -current ? [13:48] phrag: I think it is a known issue, I don't know if there is a fix. [13:48] skype and wine are not important enough for me to whore out the box and deal with extra headache , aside from that my work proceeds as usual [13:48] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:48] phrag: At least I have seen a few reports of that. [13:49] XGizzmo: it's really bad, makes firefox unusable.. considering downgrading to 13.0 (work box) [13:49] phrag: what exactly are you doing, im running current and have no issues [13:50] disable all addons, remove skins if any [13:50] today i noticed firefox lagging and handing kde (tried all known fixes that i know) [13:50] dont downgrade cuz of a small issue =) [13:50] ahhh i use flux [13:50] try what i wrote above, if that doesnt help run it in flux and see if that changes anything [13:51] well i've ran -current for many years, on many boxes, and i've ran firefox since it was pheonix (many years)... neverhad an issue like this and cannot track down anything usefull in logs or configs [13:51] ofc i have tried fresh .kde and .moz* [13:51] dustybin (~dustybin@thinkdebian.org) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:51] Canonical (Canonical@hyadesinc/captain/paula-eu-tiamo/canonical) left ##slackware ("www.wallpaper.tk personalize seu plano de fundo"). [13:51] i dont want to flatten my box, just i can't risk my work machine breaking like that again [13:52] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/firefox-3-6-has-sluggish-gui-in-current-795279/ [13:52] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [13:52] could it be gpu relates? [13:53] May be something helpful in there I don't know. [13:53] flash kills it sometimes and java related apps hang [13:53] but thats common [13:53] i will add, i'm running pretty much the same system at home (on a desktop) and no issues [13:53] it's not browsing thats the issue [13:53] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:53] it's gui rendering/responsiveness [13:53] click file and wait 20 seconds [13:54] are you using wicd? [13:54] well if you're running an identical system at home then i doubt its ff issue [13:55] does the system hang when doing anything else graphic intensive , watching a movie etc ? [13:55] hmm, thrice` mentioned wicd before [13:55] and so does that thread XGizzmo just gave me [13:56] the client wasn't running, but the daemon may have... if that#s the cause then that is some *very* buggy code that needs fixing asap [13:56] Action: XGizzmo looks for some salt. :) [13:56] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [13:56] Hi. [13:56] I may not be sure of what this is but.. does anyone here use HDMI? [13:56] in the thread everybody using wicd mentions not having issues [13:57] riza: yes [13:57] the thread is pretty solution-less in general [13:57] thrice`: my favorite type =) [13:57] yeh, i just saw the wicd mentioned and remembered what you said thrice` [13:57] Sorry I don't mean HDMI, I mean DVI. [13:57] I have to run. later gang. [13:57] i need a smopke first =P [13:57] thanks for help guys =) [13:58] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:58] really appreciate... cya later XGizzmo =) [13:58] estranho (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [13:59] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:00] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:00] I ask because I wanna know if DVI is useless. lol [14:00] I can't imagine any use for it. [14:01] I use DVI video output. [14:01] When for? [14:01] Well, for my DVI monitor, of course. [14:01] They say it's to replace VGA but when I plug in DVI nothing pops up on my screen. [14:02] Well did you enable the DVI output on the card? [14:02] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:02] If you plug a DVI monitor into a running system, I don't think anything is gonna happen immediately. [14:03] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:03] I dunno how to turn that on I guess. [14:03] If you reboot, the BIOS *might* post on the DVI monitor, but that probably depends on various factors. [14:03] riza: Well what video card? [14:03] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.188) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [14:03] Hm NVIDIA 9600 GT. [14:04] Sorry, I know next to nothing about nvidia, but I assume you can enable the extra monitor in nvidia-settings. [14:05] (Assuming you are using the nvidia driver). [14:05] I am. [14:05] Extra monitor? D: [14:05] Well you have one hooked up to VGA and one to DVI, right? [14:07] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:07] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:08] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [14:09] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [14:10] hey there [14:10] Niccke (~Sn00B@ip-18-195-241-92.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving! [14:10] using -current, can I downgrade the kernel to 2.6.29 or should I expect *big* problems? (b43 driver issue, and the computer is ... remote) [14:10] shouldn't be an issue [14:12] Camarade_Tux: unless there was support for hardware on your system thats only on the newer kernel , shouldn't have a problem [14:12] well, somehow: it seems the driver for the wifi card was better when it was out-of-tree [14:12] mcury (~mcury@189.24.8.85) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:12] iimps (~impas@212.183.140.32) joined ##slackware. [14:14] should i be using the generic kernel for a single proc pc not the smp kernel ? [14:14] LnxSlck (1000@89.214.160.27) joined ##slackware. [14:14] <_slax0r_> Hi, how can I tell KDE4 to use sudo instead of su for configurations that need root access? (Slack 13) [14:15] hmm, gtk bug has gone.. wonder if it's something to do with using an external monitor and laptop [14:16] Axelpalm (alch@77-233-87-91.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [14:16] iimps: yes generic or huge should be fine for your usage [14:16] iimps: only use the non-smp one on *very* old machines [14:17] (before pentium pro, which means <200MHz) [14:17] xsamurai, i added generic to lilo but got kernel panic ..is that cause im using reiserfs ? [14:17] mine is like 8 yrs old and my lappy is 6 yrs [14:17] is that old enough Camarade_Tux ? [14:17] Intel(R) Celeron(TM) CPU 1300MHz [14:19] so im right using smp then Camarade_Tux [14:20] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) joined ##slackware. [14:21] yes, smp [14:21] but with generic, I think you have to make an initrd with the reiser module [14:21] (not sure, I don't use it) [14:21] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:21] why was i getting kernel panic on the generic ...would it be cause i used reiserfs [14:21] yeah [14:22] GArik (~wesnoth@93-81-220-155.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:22] you can choice which to use on install Camarade_Tux ,kernel generic or smp ...ive only ever gone with smp [14:23] choose* [14:23] use smp only if you have more then one processor / core [14:23] man, ibus is wierd... [14:24] iimps: you will need to run mkinitrd , there is a README in the /boot directory [14:24] the docs are not very informational... [14:24] it covers reiserfs as well [14:24] adamk_, nope... just one monitor and it's hooked via VGA. [14:24] ok ill do that and see how that kernel goes [14:25] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-138-175.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:26] riza: i dont know your setup but when you reboot with the dvi cable plugged in does it show anything ? [14:26] Nope. [14:26] Just... a blank screen as if nothing ever happened. [14:26] riza: this is on reboot ? [14:27] From cold boot. The comptuer is turned off. [14:27] riza: might be a bad cable [14:27] or your card is messed up, or your monitor's dvi port is messed up [14:27] <_slax0r_> you don't even see the BIOS POST? [14:27] Hm.. [14:27] Nope. [14:27] I doubt my card is messed up.. [14:28] <_slax0r_> is the DVI screen the only one plugged in? [14:28] Wait, you can use DVI for everyday use? I was told DVI has a very very specific use (projects only). [14:28] Yes,. [14:28] riza: its in common usage [14:28] <_slax0r_> then it's either the cable, monitor or card [14:28] Hm. [14:28] <_slax0r_> and DVI is for everyday use... [14:28] Well I haven't tested DVI with a new monitor. [14:28] has nothing to do with linux if you dont see the bios post during boot up [14:29] Do I have to do anything if it works? [14:29] That is, change the xorg.conf?]\ [14:29] I mean are the changes noticeable? [14:29] Action: riza is clearly new to this. :| I just received my new monitor today. <:) [14:30] has nothing to do with linux [14:30] Erm okay.. alright. [14:30] I keep thinking it does. [14:30] I'll turn off my monitor and try the new plug then. [14:30] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-necszncqsomivxvu) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:30] But erm.. are the changes noticeable to you guys? [14:31] Hm changes are noticeable according to these ppl.. [14:34] dustybin (~dustybin@thinkdebian.org) joined ##slackware. [14:34] Brb. Gonna do it to this pc now. [14:34] <_slax0r_> how can it have something to do with linux if it doesn't even show the BIOS POST which isn't affected by anything on the hard drive? 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[14:45] http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImage=24-236-075-Z07&ISList=24-236-075-Z01%2c24-236-075-Z02%2c24-236-075-Z03%2c24-236-075-Z04%2c24-236-075-Z05%2c24-236-075-Z06%2c24-236-075-Z07&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16824236075&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=ASUS%20MS238H%20Glossy%20Black%2023%22%202ms%20Ring%20stand%20%26%20Ergo-fit%20LED%20backlight%20HDMI%20Widescreen%20LCD%20Monitor Look at the third wire. [14:45] That's the one. [14:46] <_slax0r_> why not just connect DVI-DVI? [14:46] <_slax0r_> what's the benefit of DVI-HDMI connection? [14:46] nothing [14:46] slackbuilds looks fairly easy to understand [14:46] http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/13.0/development/bashdb/bashdb.SlackBuild [14:47] <_slax0r_> my internet connection is crappy :/ [14:47] _slax0r_, because that's all I have. I have only these ports - power, headphone out, hdmi, and vga on this monitor. [14:48] wasn't hdmi developed to 'prevent' piracy? [14:48] not that I'm aware [14:49] you're thinking of HDCP [14:49] HDMI is just a standardization for playback of HiDef! [14:49] oh yeh, thanks adaptr =P [14:49] ya [14:49] hehe [14:49] which is a transport, not a physical connection [14:49] yeah was going to say HDCP sounds what you want [14:49] me no want! [14:49] dhcp [14:49] ack [14:49] <_slax0r_> one thing is for sure, if your not even seeing BIOS post, something ain't right and not on the linux side... [14:49] Hm anyone here use HDMI for everyday use then? [14:50] riza: not with my laptop or desktop, but with my xbox 360 I do :) [14:50] Hm... [14:50] riza: since my TV has HDMI, sure [14:50] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-188-120.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:50] do you write your own slackbuild scripts, or do you use other peoples scripts? [14:50] can dvi not handle the bandwidth then or something? [14:50] dustybin: who you talking to? [14:51] phrags: anyone [14:51] dustybin, I edit people's script. [14:51] phrags: HDMI == digital transport protocol for specific HD formats + physical interconnect specification [14:51] this looks interesting: http://www.slackwiki.org/Writing_A_SlackBuild_Script [14:51] dustybin: most of us use slackbuilds.org, and a few here contribute [14:51] <_slax0r_> I like pie! [14:51] phrags: can a slackbuild script also remove and uninstall cleanly [14:51] dustybin: submissions welcome =) [14:51] rizitis_ (~rizitis@79.107.134.29) joined ##slackware. [14:51] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:52] dustybin: a slackbuild script simply builds a slackware package [14:52] <_slax0r_> dustybin: duh...it creates a slackpack [14:52] <_slax0r_> you can remove a slackpack [14:52] dustybin: a slackbuild doesn't normally install anyting [14:52] you installpkg it [14:52] aye ok! [14:52] Nick change: rizitis_ -> rizitis [14:52] <_slax0r_> can tcpdump be affected by a rootkit? [14:52] dustybin: you can install, upgrade and remove with pkgtool (installpkg, removepkg, upgradepkg) [14:52] heheh [14:52] _slax0r_: define "affected" [14:52] _slax0r_: if the binary was replaced, ofc [14:52] rizitis (~rizitis@79.107.134.29) left irc: Changing host [14:52] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) joined ##slackware. [14:53] <_slax0r_> adaptr: as in hiding some network activity? [14:53] <_slax0r_> because network is terribly slow today :S [14:53] if it's compromised, duh [14:53] <_slax0r_> brb [14:53] phrags: i could also, make distclean / make clean ? [14:53] <_slax0r_> adaptr: and if I reinstall tcpdump? [14:53] <_slax0r_> dustybin: make (dist)clean just cleans up the sources [14:53] _slax0r_: if you suspect a rootkit, backup your data and wipe the OS [14:54] dustybin: well the slackbuild simply compiles a package from original source, passing environment variables that slack likes =) [14:54] _slax0r_: if you're compromised, wipe you rexec partitions and reinstall [14:54] <_slax0r_> meaning remove the binaries from the source tree etc. [14:54] right i see [14:54] _slax0r_: no, it does not do that [14:54] _slax0r_: no, backup your important data and wipe the box [14:54] <_slax0r_> adaptr: I don't think I am, and I'm too lazy now to reinstall, not going to reinstall because of a slow connection [14:54] <_slax0r_> my ISP might be slacking again [14:54] _slax0r_: (if you suspect your system has been compromised) [14:55] <_slax0r_> brb [14:55] you're either compromised or you're not, there is no halfway [14:55] just because your internet is slow, does not mean you have been rooted! [14:55] haha [14:55] in fact, it is probably the least likely cause =P [14:55] <_slax0r_> just trying to see into every perspective [14:55] better pay a crack ho for unsafe sax and not get tested than keep running a possibly compromised system [14:56] lol [14:56] we use to have a windows admin who use to go crazy everytime there was a hicup [14:56] <_slax0r_> brb, gotta put my kid to sleep and reseting the switch on my way [14:56] screaming we've been hacked man [14:56] do some traceroutes, pingtest.net and speedtest.net are usefull [14:56] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:57] i have to admin a mixed environment and i freak out everytime something goes wrong too :P [14:57] _slax0r_: chkrootkit and rkhunter [14:57] <_slax0r_> zomfg! [14:58] <_slax0r_> gotta kick that damn switch out [14:58] $30 noname ? [14:58] <_slax0r_> false alarm :P [14:58] nagios *red* pings strike fear into my heart [14:58] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: riza [14:58] <_slax0r_> it's an old level one [14:59] <_slax0r_> was working GREAT...when it was new [14:59] <_slax0r_> now it's almost 10 years [14:59] wow [14:59] nwo it's been hax0red? =P [14:59] so..it's 10mbit ? [14:59] dude, buy a new switch [15:00] wtf? failed to open pcm device, but lsof doesn't show anything using dsp [15:00] things are starting to make sense now, first install the base system, if you need to install / compile extra stuff, first create / edit a slackbuild script to create a package so it will install properly on your slackware system [15:00] Action: phrags 's belly grumbles continuelyfor 15 seconds [15:00] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [15:01] iimps (~impas@212.183.140.96) joined ##slackware. [15:02] Necos: lsof /dev/snd/* [15:02] i booted generic kernel but wvdial wouldnt work ...is that cause i build the packages on the smp kernel ? [15:02] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:02] dustybin: yeh, a lot of popular stuff is on slackbuilds.org or come with slackware.. you can use the same script (with some minor variable changes) to compile upgrades in the future.. just download new source code and run the script to generate your new package, then upgradepkg bleh.tgz [15:02] Andyr0ck (~Andyr0ck@cpc3-leed10-0-0-cust684.leed.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [15:02] oh i do like the look of kde 4.4.2's power manager [15:03] about time =) [15:04] hmmm [15:04] would that be right ? [15:05] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/NFITQz36.html [15:05] phrags: how can you trust a slackbuild script? surely they are not hard to build yourself [15:05] because it's peer reviewed? [15:05] i like to see exactly what is going on [15:05] actualmind (~bd5aa03c@gateway/web/freenode/x-yusiriiokprwzwav) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [15:05] and slackbuilds.org has template scripts that you can use to build your own slackbuilds [15:05] thats the whole idea of me using slackware [15:06] ok [15:06] and who said you can't see what's going on? you have the damn script on your machine [15:06] :P [15:06] heh [15:06] dustybin: because if you are compilign yoru own software, then it's not far fetched to assume one can follow and understand exactly what the scrip tdoes [15:07] audacious should have my soundcard open... i wonder if this is a udev issue [15:07] Necos if you built a package on one kernel will it work on another like a current kernel ? [15:07] zx10k1 (~nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:07] the answer to that is: "does it link with the kernel libs?" [15:07] if not, then the answer is yes [15:07] <_slax0r_> nwo it's been hax0red? =P [15:07] <_slax0r_> so..it's 10mbit ? [15:07] <_slax0r_> no and no :P [15:07] the topic needs to be changed to reflect the new updates :) [15:07] <_slax0r_> besides, even if it was 10mbit, my line is 10mbit too :P [15:07] i might challenge myself and build a mythtv .23 slackbuild script one day :D [15:08] hmmmm [15:08] dustybin: it's perfectly fin to just ./configure && make && make install as normal, but then you don't get consistant clean environments for your software, the compile uses it's own defaults unless told otherwise =) [15:08] trhodes, did you see my lsof output? [15:08] yes [15:08] phrags: indeed that makes sense [15:08] looks normal to me... [15:09] Necos: what told you "failed to open pcm device" ? [15:09] there is no such thing as pure raw vanilla installing software, something needs to change [15:09] Necos: indeed [15:09] audacious [15:09] ** (audacious:4579): WARNING **: alsa_setup(): Failed to open pcm device (hw:0,0): Device or resource busy [15:09] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:10] maybe that's just a warning [15:10] Zplay (~Zplay@vol21-4-88-166-136-159.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Quit: Quitte [15:10] Necos: did you run alsaconf ? [15:10] but i'm not getting any sound lol [15:10] hmm, it has your playback pcm open [15:10] and the control "pcm" [15:10] lsof for pcm or snd [15:11] i did phrags... pastebin'd the output earlier [15:11] also close all audio apps before runnign alsaconf [15:11] ah ok [15:11] first of 19:04 UTC - http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/NFITQz36.html [15:11] i've never fully understood alsa and sound card demux/mixing [15:12] i was playing youtube videos last night, so that's really wierd... [15:12] always been a PITA tbh [15:12] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:13] Necos: volume's up? sound works for other things ? [15:13] ok, this is even MORE weird... [15:13] i just opened gmplayer and opened an mp3, and it's playing [15:13] ok [15:13] -ao alsa ? [15:13] so apparently, it's something with audacious [15:13] it has two playback pcms open [15:14] seems weird to me [15:14] it's using -ao oss it looks like [15:14] oh wait, the FD's are different, so i'm not sure [15:15] Andyr0ck (~Andyr0ck@cpc3-leed10-0-0-cust684.leed.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:16] apparently, audacious is detecting 2 soundcards... i have 0,0 and 0,4 [15:18] those are two devices on one card [15:18] what's aplay -L show ? [15:19] dios_mio (mirc@88.242.166.118) joined ##slackware. [15:19] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [15:19] mirc o.0 [15:20] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/drCDfY93.html [15:20] Action: phrags remembers his first experience of irc was with 'comic chat' ..about 15 years ago =P [15:21] now i'm playing xmms with libAlsa.so and it's also working [15:21] /dev/dsp and /dev/snd/* all have rw for group audio, so o.O [15:21] aplay also test alsa [15:22] *tests [15:22] i suspect audacious, though [15:22] Hey everyone. Can anyone help me to build a cross-compiler for compiling Qt/Windows applications. the Qt/Win libraries require GCC 4.4. I found this site http://silmor.de/39 and tried to follow the steps described but when trying to compile gcc-core-4.4.3 it fails [15:22] phrags: I have been on irc so long I don't even remember what my first client was. [15:22] that's what i'm suspecting [15:23] since alsa provides oss emulation, it's probably not too messed uo to playback sound [15:23] *up [15:23] XGizzmo: telnet ? [15:24] surrounder: I tried that but it was to hard to keep up with the ping/pong's [15:24] hehe [15:24] is there a way to get sbopkg to recompile all packages you already have installed? [15:25] yah go into "Queue", hit "Add", then "Process" [15:26] i was thinking more of a 1-liner solution... [15:26] guess i could try sbopkg -i /var/log/packages/*SBo* [15:26] well once you've got a queue file created, you can do it from the cmdline [15:27] you can ask sbopkg to dump the queue to disk [15:28] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:28] hmmmmm, i could probably do this in a perl 1-liner and pipe the output to sbopkg [15:28] hang on ill see what the format of the queue file is [15:28] oh its trivial [15:29] just a package name per line [15:29] prefixed with a - if you want it marked inactive in the queue [15:30] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ypcztrgxmscsbepd) joined ##slackware. [15:31] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [15:32] oh, that's easy peasy [15:33] so just an ls /var/log/packages/*SBo* > queue will work [15:33] if that sorts by date by default you should be golden [15:33] i can never remember [15:33] anyone want to help me with a wireless issue? laptop doesn't want to let go of a network: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/DZjehq52.html http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/6IyWaS53.html [15:34] i think sorting by date will result in any dependencies getting built in the correct order [15:34] right... [15:34] forgot about that [15:34] I was connected to the BrooksLabOnly network earlier, but as soon as I got in range of RedRover, my laptop dropped its connection to the first and went to RedRover [15:34] i can't believe my dumb ass didn't save my queue file from the last time I installed from scratch [15:34] lol [15:35] i spent all day yesterday trying to remember what I normally install [15:35] if you can't remember it then you don't need it. [15:35] until I remember I need it [15:35] then you'll remember and install [15:35] or I can rebuild the queue in one stroke and be done with it [15:36] :) [15:36] stokachu (~phuk@cpe-173-095-175-246.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:36] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:36] so i wont have to wait for ddd to build next time I try to run it [15:37] if you can't remember it then you don't need it. [15:37] oh wait, we did this already... [15:37] im too lazy to be lazy [15:38] or perhaps impatient [15:38] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [15:38] sedawk (~sedawk@189.75.126.205) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [15:38] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:39] hba (~hba@148.208.237.101) joined ##slackware. [15:39] hehehe [15:40] i switched to ibus on my desktop at work, and it works great for QT apps, but doesn't work for GTK ones (FF / TB, for example)... i'll have to investigate that when i go back to work [15:43] hah so I wasn't dumb for a change [15:43] https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15744 [15:43] ##slackware: mode change '+o phrag' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [15:43] watch out for that one if you try to boot 2.6.34-rc* [15:43] Topic changed on ##slackware by phrag!phrag@about/slackware/phrag: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | Public Channel Logs: http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | http://gallery.slackadelic.com | Slackware 13.0 Released August 26 2009 | Torrent: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: kdebase-workspace, sudo! [15:44] AusLoki (~josh@c-69-141-34-70.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:44] Urugami (~KB5YRZ@105.sub-97-196-217.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [15:45] in irssi, how do you close a window? I just messaged ausloki and would like to close that window, but don't know how [15:45] /wc [15:45] AusLoki: /wc [15:45] thanks [15:45] phrag: sudo! ? [15:45] huh, my window is immortal [15:45] lol [15:46] i mentioned it on this channel some weeks back, you can make a sudoedit on your ~ [15:46] also, when I do /window new hide, it actually makes two new windows? [15:46] AusLoki: /q in the window works too [15:46] NaCl: yes, there is an SSA for sudo [15:46] I was more referring to the '!' [15:46] mancha: godo spot =) [15:46] i just got the emails on my blackberry >.> [15:46] NaCl: well it's an important one =P [15:47] :P [15:47] phrag :> [15:48] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:48] strange... on my desktop, when i select text with gpm active, i can middle click and paste it... on my laptop, i'm selecting text, and using shift+ins to try to paste... i'm guessing the buffer that's being copied from in that case is not the same... [15:48] clipboard vs primary? [15:49] that's an annoying bug [15:49] or 'feature'.. depending on how you use it =P [15:49] oh gpm [15:49] nm [15:49] that's the only way i can copy from a terminal, i thought... >.> [15:49] how do I make irsii make just one new window, not two? [15:50] AusLoki: other than /win new ? [15:50] eviljames: when I do /window new hide I actually get two windows [15:50] I just want one.... [15:50] AusLoki: I cannot reproduce that here. [15:51] mine creates a new fake window when I privmsg or join channels or whatever [15:52] eviljames: I can't reproduce it either as well...I guess their must be more than one window by default when I start irsii? [15:53] I just started a new instance of irsii, only one window [15:53] but if I join a server and do /window new hide, I get two windows [15:53] phragial intercourse [15:54] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:54] more importanlty perhaps, how do you change your ident info? [15:55] tbh, I have no idea how that happened hahahah. For quite a while it didn't work for me. [15:55] james [15:55] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:55] jeev: get me a soda. [15:55] phrags (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:57] phrags (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [15:58] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-ntpvqmzxkbomyhnl) left irc: Quit: ....... ja me voie ..... [15:58] eviljames: don't you mean 'sudo get me a soda.' ? [15:58] hackedhead: Not compatible with my system :( removepkg sudo is a very early setup command for me. [15:59] eviljames: fair enough, mine too [15:59] eviljames: "su -c 'get me a soda'" then [15:59] hackedhead: I played with trying to move the screen with xvidtune.. nothing actually moved the screen, so something's up.. I've just decided to leave it as is [16:00] raendeer: really? interesting [16:00] that's a bummer.. [16:00] hackedhead: I only ssh in.. if anyone else sits at it, I'm sure they'll adjust :P [16:01] hah. =P [16:01] hackedhead: the monitor is a loaner, so it'll eventually get a new one.. so I'll actually have documentation/a model number/etc :P [16:01] hobin (~hobin___@94.125.216.34) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:06] sedawk (~sedawk@189.75.126.205) joined ##slackware. [16:06] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:06] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Changing host [16:06] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [16:06] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [16:08] AusLoki (~josh@c-69-141-34-70.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Disconnected by services [16:09] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:14] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:17] despiron (~despiron@187.64.98.14) joined ##slackware. [16:20] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:25] mcury (~mcury@189.24.8.85) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:26] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp-131-132.redrover.cornell.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:28] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:28] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: Bye [16:30] slackbuild scripts look complicated [16:30] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/monit/build/monit.SlackBuild [16:31] boo [16:31] lol [16:31] :) [16:31] dustybin, they're not that complicated [16:31] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.181) joined ##slackware. [16:32] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:32] they're good if you're supporting a number of machines, but for a single machine, its alot of overhead [16:32] false. [16:32] not at all [16:32] They can be submitted to SBo for re-use around the world. [16:33] My own SlackBuild scripts are scarier than those on slackbuilds.org dustybin [16:33] lol [16:33] well you're a ninja [16:33] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-7.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:33] i call to rename slackbuilds to jeevbuilds [16:33] alienBOB: eeek [16:33] But they are not _complicated_ [16:33] i said overhead [16:33] hehehe [16:33] I know, it was dustybin who used that word [16:33] most of the time, i can get by with just ./configure... [16:34] Skywise: try to update a program once or more and you'll be glad to have a SlackBuild [16:34] config.nice usually takes care of that [16:34] but if you're using packages, it certainly is the way to go [16:34] Skywise: That assumes well-formed config/make files - which is definitely not anywhere near always the case. [16:34] oh sure [16:35] alienBOB: your slackbuild scripts contain lots of extra stuff like editing config files etc [16:35] So? [16:35] i would rather do that manually [16:35] why? [16:35] Well I would not. There you go [16:35] dustybin: then build your own ? [16:35] sounds like a waste of time lol [16:35] im thinking, the more complicated they get, the more chance of them going wrong? [16:36] O? [16:36] no, because alienBOB has tested the options [16:36] slackbuild options have been tested and peer-reviewed... [16:36] you're being paranoid and retarded for no good reason [16:36] stop it :) [16:36] ok! [16:37] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [16:37] alienBOB: do you use a template, and edit it each time? [16:37] if you're gonna "roll your own", then go with LFS and stop bitching :P [16:37] Sort of [16:38] I generate my scripts from a template [16:38] oK! [16:38] im not bitching, im interested [16:38] It's OK [16:39] Look at http://alien.slackbook.org/AST/ - it is the web-based version of the commandline tools I use locally [16:39] ace :D [16:41] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: ... [16:41] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:42] is there any good open source IDE for python? [16:42] vim :p [16:43] that's not an IDE :P [16:43] alienBOB, and that works with most linux packages ? [16:43] i wonder if there's an eclipse plugin for python [16:43] source* [16:43] iimps: with many yes, usually small edits are needed [16:44] Software which is written in a sane and standards-compliant way would not require any edits [16:44] give a general slackbuild [16:44] gtludwig: http://eric-ide.python-projects.org/ - one of the first hits in google [16:44] PyDev [16:44] surrounder, thanks [16:44] ill give that ago [16:45] The idea was not to create finished SlackBuilds but to avoid large amounts of copying/pasting and typing [16:45] yeah [16:45] mancha, thanks too :) [16:46] Necos, you can actually get something done with eclipse? [16:46] i don't use eclipse, heh... [16:46] lol [16:47] but other people do :P [16:47] thats what i hear, but i'm convinced thats just a rumor [16:47] I installed eclipse the other week [16:47] For some Android programming experience. Looks very mature as a IDE - MS should be jealous [16:48] did you make a project yet? [16:48] i like eclipse except its git support is broked [16:48] it seems everything i wanna do with it is borked, but the screens look nice [16:48] to be fair the git suport is still in "incubation" [16:49] but i don't see what the trouble would be [16:49] git is pretty straight forward [16:49] hmm android is really great [16:50] love the pmix client for mpd :) [16:50] how quickly could you code a working git viewer/edirot for me? [16:50] me personally? mountains could grow old before i was done [16:50] but thats because i'm a perfectionist [16:51] well i am not saying the git tree structure is so complex it can't be done, i am just reporting that the git plugin is new and in development and not fully working yet. [16:52] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.181) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:52] maybe you'll enjoy netbeans more, they have a growing number of language plugins [16:52] i think the easiest way is to implement the atomic functions and let the complexity come naturally [16:53] i'm still pretty much a text editor guy, but i've always wanted an ide/project management tool [16:54] good old vimnator is enough for python scripts and django work [16:54] yeah with editors getting better and better at syntax highlighting and other plugin support the line grows blurred [16:55] Skywise: Just use NetBeans and do all future projects in Java [16:55] It is the futarrr after all! [16:55] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.2.153) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:55] i'm holding out for a different future [16:55] Action: xsamurai hates java [16:56] heh, netbeans is written in java but its not an ide for java code! [16:56] confusion++ [16:56] java = caca [16:56] he's just being evil [16:56] i know i'm developing a webapp that doesn't use java and it won't be pretty but it will be fast [16:57] heh [16:58] i never liked the idea of having to run software from a website just because i wanna visit it [17:00] if slackware changed to rpm, would you guys stop using it ? [17:00] they're never elegant, compact programs anyway [17:00] no, i just wouldn't use newer versions anymore [17:00] cool [17:00] someone turned me on to bluefish the other day, it's cute [17:01] if slackware changed to pam, would you guys stop using it ? [17:01] jeev: thats like buying an automatic Ferrari [17:01] lol [17:01] alienBOB: no [17:01] xsamurai, how about f1 ? [17:01] i just wouldn't install it [17:01] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-154-105-133.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:01] if slackware adopted pam i'd consider putting it on my non-slack boxen [17:01] i've driven an F1 ferrari for a while, it kind of scares you to pay attention to the rpm [17:01] jeev: thats like seeing Arnold with female genitalia [17:02] xsamurai, he has female boobs now, no ? [17:02] Diversity and the independent mind... that's the Slacker! [17:02] jeev: ps2 or ps3 ? [17:02] and here goes mancha again :P [17:02] xsamurai, real life. 575M [17:02] it wasn't mine. [17:02] Necos, what can i say, i control myself and then someone sets yup the pam debate and drops it in my lap! :) [17:02] Necos: help me out here with jeev, he's driving imaginary Ferrari's again [17:02] fine, dont believe me [17:03] i ended up smashing the front lip (wasn't my fault) though [17:03] >.> [17:03] i don't wanna [17:03] Evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [17:04] you dont pick up on old rich ladies do you ? [17:04] alienBOB: i'd still use it [17:04] mancha :P [17:04] no man [17:04] i however would have loved to have dealt with some cougers [17:05] cougars >.> [17:05] my friend does that, thats how he gets his Ferrari rides [17:05] damn it jeev, get it right suckafish [17:05] na xsamurai, was my friends. [17:05] yea i meant to say cougar [17:05] Action: xsamurai cant resist a cougar [17:05] then he makes fun of dubya's smarts... [17:06] what's your point mancha [17:06] so i had a typo. bite me [17:06] hahahaha, it's so damn easy [17:06] it still doesn't detract from dubya's smarts... lol [17:06] like taking candy from a child [17:06] ...baby [17:06] hahahaha [17:06] mancha got a lot of candy stolen from him as a baby, apparently... [17:06] rawrawrawrawrawr so funny [17:06] mucho candy [17:07] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:07] konus (~konus_fn@ns1.noxis.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:07] back to work, the pole is getting cold [17:07] i was pretty much candyless in my childhood - the constant victim of the sugar gang [17:07] you're not giving it enough body heat xsamurai? [17:08] wd-40 [17:08] mancha, no wonder you're so angry... :P [17:08] I cant irc and dance at the same time, some of us here are actually working professionals ! [17:08] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: rah [17:08] sedawk (~sedawk@189.75.126.205) left irc: [17:08] sounds like a personal problem xsamurai :P [17:09] Necos, that's what my anger management support group thinks too [17:09] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:10] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:10] now it all makes sense mancha :P [17:10] estranho (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [SeaMonkey 2.0.4/20100404005729] [17:12] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [17:12] :-D [17:12] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [17:12] Which do slack user prefer... 32 or 68 bit os? [17:12] 68 must be cool [17:13] 72 [17:13] I use 32 on my 32 bit hardware, and 64 on my 64bit hardware [17:14] 69 bit's the balls [17:14] whoes does x86_64 mean? [17:14] datace, it means intel 64 bit [17:14] datace: the _64 doesn't tip you off? [17:14] yo [17:15] bash-3.1$ uname -m [17:15] x86_64 [17:15] does it mean im on 64 bit? [17:15] yes [17:15] datace: yeah [17:15] oh so I'm on 64 bit... like most everyone does? [17:15] it depends on your needs really [17:16] i am 32 bit [17:16] Urugami (KB5YRZ@105.sub-97-196-217.myvzw.com) left ##slackware. [17:16] What does 32 or 64 bit matters on? Does it matter really on programs you run? [17:17] Like how many program can 32 or 64bit can run.. [17:17] one of the most important is the ability to access more than 4 gigs of ram [17:17] google earth does not have suport for 64b for example [17:17] datace, good question. one important difference is in the size of the address space that can be accessed [17:18] necos, maybe 3.25 gigs of ram.. or a little less or more [17:18] one can access 2^32 bytes andf the other 2^64 bytes [17:18] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:18] even with PAE, you usually can't access more than 3 gigs... [17:18] ???? [17:18] you cant access more then 3 gigs with pae ? [17:18] sure you can [17:19] Action: xsamurai feels a slap coming [17:19] necos is smoking crack again [17:19] but pae is a hack, so deal. [17:19] Action: jeev slaps xsamurai [17:19] Action: xsamurai slaps jeev [17:19] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:19] Action: jeev slaps away xsamurai's hand from trying to undress me [17:19] i've read people having problems with accessing beyond 3 gigs using PAE... that's all [17:19] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.174.149.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [17:19] jeev: ... i didnt know you were wearing a dress [17:20] Necos, i think that depends on the motherboard, i dont know [17:20] xsamurai, that's what my job is ;( [17:20] How many default program do slackware does? How to view this programs? "example on windows ctrl+alt+delete to open a task manager. [17:20] Necos: that doesnt imply it doesnt work , i've used it in several environments works fine [17:20] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:20] datace: man top [17:20] you might be tempted to think, 64 is twice 32, big farkin' deal right? well as it turnes out 2^64 is not twice 2^32 it is the square of, so you would need 2^32 (4294967296) 32-bit machines to have the same address space size capability as ONE 64-bit machine [17:21] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [17:21] that was nice eviljames but it view the whole this... what exactly the command? [17:21] top [17:21] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:21] line up 4,294,967,296 (thats right, 4 billion+) 32-bit processors and jointly they can address the same number of addresses as ONE single 64-bit processor. [17:22] xsamurai, well, the point still remains, to access more than 4 gigs of ram, you gotta go 64-bit, and that was the topic :P [17:22] mancha, nobody is paying attention to you [17:22] jeev how to close the window? [17:22] jeev, get over it, i made fun of you well over 5 minutes ago. don't hold a grudge [17:22] datace: q [17:22] mancha, i'm not! [17:22] I opened "man top" command [17:22] tysss [17:22] datace: http://www.slackbook.org http://slackwiki.org [17:23] Necos: dont try to pull that , i can use more then 4 gigs with pae, so its a false statement, false i say! [17:23] datace: is this your first day with Linux? [17:23] ty eviljames. [17:23] datace: Those links will be important to you. Bookmark them :D [17:23] jeev and mancha need to kiss and play nice [17:23] 2 days ago on slack, [17:23] yah. [17:23] Then absorb http://www.slackbook.org [17:24] lol xsamurai :P [17:24] slackware is kind of what you get after you have completed LFS [17:24] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [17:24] i was on ubuntu.. and now i proved it was for linux newbie [17:24] go back to sliding up and down your pole already >.> [17:24] dustybin: LFS is Slackware w/o package management [17:24] dustybin: what bullshit is that? [17:24] lol [17:24] eeek i made it up [17:24] NightTiger (~derekm@ottawa-hs-64-26-171-99.s-ip.magma.ca) left irc: Quit: NightTiger [17:24] LFS is slackware with PAM [17:24] phrag (phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [17:24] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [17:24] AusLoki (~josh@c-69-141-34-70.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:24] hahaahahahah [17:24] mancha: touche :P [17:24] i thought LFS is raw so slackware is raw also [17:24] :) [17:24] how would I change ident info for irsii? [17:25] is mancha still here? [17:25] Action: alienBOB wondered the same [17:25] AusLoki: I recommend identd [17:25] AusLoki, you need an identd daemon that supports spoofing. [17:25] lol [17:25] or create a new account [17:25] dustybin: Slackware is not raw at all [17:25] ahhh [17:25] ok [17:25] so, without an identd it just takes your user account? [17:25] is it ~ or is identd actually running ? [17:26] I have no identd running [17:26] su - [17:26] vblcq1j29 [17:26] so you want to change ~josh to something else ? [17:26] nice password [17:26] unlucky [17:26] hahahahahahaha [17:26] yes [17:26] might want to change that.. *now* [17:26] uhuh [17:26] anyway [17:26] already did it for him ;) [17:26] lol [17:27] hahahahah [17:27] is that going on noobfarb? [17:27] trhodes: sssh, or I'll tell.. [17:27] *noobfarm lol [17:27] i actually tried to see if ssh was open on his ip [17:27] um [17:27] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.174.149.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:27] ok it's not as funny as when mancha did it and his password was 'lovemensballz' [17:27] no hacking the misfortunate one [17:27] irssi is vulnerable, btw [17:27] you can't change my password, so not sure why you find humour in implying you did [17:27] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:28] jeev's a funny guy now he's gonna try to pwn me all day long :> [17:28] AusLoki: lighten up, you just put your root pass on a very public channel.. with logs.. and "quotes".. lighten up =) [17:28] anyway. I would prefer on some orther servers/channel that people not see my name, which happens to be the name of my user account [17:29] well, I'm using RSBAC, so even if I gave you my root pass you couldnt change it or the pass of any other account [17:29] so nothing to fear :) [17:29] but someone could come to your house and beat you over the head with a blunt object and change it then :P [17:30] its why I have trouble sleeping at night [17:30] not so much because they might take data, but because I wouldnt be able to see what happened in Fringe next [17:30] now you'll have more trouble :P [17:30] Necos: With the chip they implanted they don't need to beat him over the head anymore. [17:31] /SET user_name mynewname [17:31] (this'll let irsssi change your ident as long as you don't have a real identd listening) [17:32] ahh [17:32] thanks mancha [17:32] ok [17:32] LnxSlck (1000@89.214.18.165) joined ##slackware. [17:33] hmm [17:33] ircname still shows the name of my useraccount [17:33] I think you have to reconnect to the server [17:33] ahh [17:33] yes, disconnect/reconnect [17:33] is their a way to set that permantly, either via variable or config file? [17:33] What are basic requirements to enable installing stuff from "slackbuild.org" ? [17:34] yes, in your irssi config file [17:34] datace: get sbopkg [17:34] datace: Just an install of slack :) [17:34] datace: Familiarity with the command line, and willingness to read README files. Past that, you should be good. [17:34] datace: Read the README [17:34] XGizzmo, get your checkbook out [17:34] mancha, or AusLoki can just use /save after changing the user_name [17:34] the "read me" text file? where is location? [17:34] datace: then read the faq and howto [17:34] its* [17:34] :) [17:35] datace: With a little cleverness, you can have it down to a single command line to make and install the package. [17:35] http://www.slackbuilds.org/howto/ [17:35] How bout get-app? [17:35] Action: Necos stabs fire|bird [17:35] xsamurai (fahad@69.43.199.101) left ##slackware. [17:35] thumbs: That's probably the best suggestion to get going quickly. But it probably won't teach datace very much. [17:35] what irssi is -current at? [17:35] ah.. [17:35] Action: fire|bird laughs a bit, applies pressure to stop the bleeding, and stabs Necos [17:36] datace: I assume you've gone to Slackware in order to learn more about the ins and outs of Linux? [17:36] eviljames: well. [17:36] :) [17:36] yah [17:36] eviljames: one can start on the easy path, and learn once the packages are installed. [17:36] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:36] thumbs: Indeed. [17:37] how can one remember what libs are required by what package? [17:37] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [17:37] eviljames: while I applaud the folks that start from nothing and become self-sufficient, it's not for everyone. [17:37] dustybin: experience. [17:37] dustybin: experience, for the most part. [17:37] ok [17:37] Did anyone tried to install slackware on usb.... example " you can boot slack os from usb" [17:37] hah great minds think alike :D [17:37] eviljames: indeed. [17:37] artv61 (~user@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:37] ridout (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:37] lol ej [17:37] mancha, 0.8.14 iirc, however 0.8.15 is out. [17:37] datace: sure. [17:37] datace: it's easy. [17:37] ohhhh [17:37] thumbs [17:37] "easy" is a relative term I think. [17:37] eviljames: easy for us. [17:37] I need that magic word "HOW" :) [17:38] anyway, thanks guys [17:38] AusLoki (josh@c-69-141-34-70.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [17:38] how what? >.> [17:38] yes, 0.8.14 is buggy [17:38] How to install slackware os on usb. [17:38] hmmm, rsbac is just like SELinux it seems [17:38] so all you irssi users, beware. [17:38] i will start my slackware install tomorrow, i dont expect it to be finished for ages, im going to take my time [17:38] SO that I can boot any pc with slack OS [17:39] SiegeX (219@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:39] if mancha's text is visible on irssi then there's a bug.. look for an update soon [17:39] datace: there a USB README file. You should read it. [17:39] say couger again :) [17:39] hahaha [17:39] On the file system folder thumbs ? [17:39] COUGER! [17:39] datace: on the mirrors. [17:39] that's my jeev! [17:40] theres no mirror folder thumbs [17:40] datace: the online slackware mirrors. [17:40] mirroring guidelines.txt? [17:40] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-216-254.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [17:40] no [17:41] datace: There's some words to add to your lexicon: "On the mirrors" = on ftp.slackware.com or a mirror of it. [17:41] phrags (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:41] ohh [17:42] mancha, openSUSE is still back on 0.8.13, although I'm fairly sure they apply patches of some sort to it. [17:42] phrags (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [17:43] iimps (~impas@212.183.140.96) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:44] phrags (phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [17:44] phrags (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [17:44] eviljames what exactly the link of "installing slack on usb" link. hope u dont mind [17:45] I actually don't know offhand. [17:45] can u confirm http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/tools/usbinstall/13.0/ [17:45] datace: that's a great link. [17:46] datace: alienBOB himself hosts it. [17:46] yeah!!! [17:47] Action: eviljames agrees [17:47] eviljames: great minds.. err. ehm. [17:47] Everything written by alienBOB is a "known good" resource - at least as a general rule. [17:48] nah its and instruction how to create a usb to slack installer and not usb slack os that is bootable [17:48] that's actually pretty hard... ya know why? [17:48] datace: you can install on a USB drive, install lilo on the mbr. [17:48] because your device names will change depending on how many things you have connected [17:49] Necos: correct. [17:49] Necos: it's a fair challenge. [17:49] on these instruction thumbs ? http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/tools/usbinstall/13.0/ [17:49] datace: your problem will be telling lilo where is the root partition. [17:50] datace: as Necos said, that partition might change on different systems - sdb1, sdc1, etc [17:50] yep... :( [17:50] sucks [17:50] ohhh [17:54] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:54] What primary website do slack user download thier application and install or compile it. [17:54] datace: it's still a good exercise, especially for a beginner with slackware. [17:54] my first project is to build a slackware mythtv frontend box :D [17:55] large feat there... [17:55] Action: jeev hands eviljames a napkin to clean the brown off the nose [17:57] How do you guys save configuration on the "alsamixer" setup? [17:58] hba (~hba@148.208.237.101) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:58] alsactl save? [17:58] or somesuch >.<; [17:59] yeah, 'alsactl save' as root [17:59] i have to "su" firstt? [17:59] yeah [17:59] alsactl store [18:00] oh crap, i misread it.. thanks trhodes [18:00] np [18:01] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430454.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:01] Action: fire|bird stabs Necos, learn your commands!!! [18:01] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [18:01] ShKoDrAnI (~Ardit@95.107.196.109) joined ##slackware. [18:01] Action: Necos laughs and bleeds, then sutures up the wound [18:01] :) [18:01] lol [18:01] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ypcztrgxmscsbepd) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:02] Nice suture work Nurse Necos. [18:02] Action: fire|bird ducks [18:02] >.> [18:02] fire|bird: the old lappy is stil inaccessible :( [18:02] thumbs, yikes, that sucks. :( [18:02] fire|bird: I think I will forget about using it. [18:02] snake had to heal his own wounds in metal gear solid 3 >.> [18:03] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left ##slackware. [18:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430454.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:03] Necos, yup, but you're in real life, not a video game. :P [18:03] lol [18:03] psYcker (~psYcker@201.165.131.204) joined ##slackware. [18:04] thumbs, that's too bad. Probably would have been a nice lappy. [18:04] fire|bird: absolutely. a P4 is nice. [18:04] well, time to go see my advisor and get yelled at... [18:04] Necos, have fun. :) [18:04] sometimes i hate being a physics major lol [18:05] laters ^.^v [18:05] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.79.151) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:06] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.79.151) joined ##slackware. [18:07] evilaz (~user@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [18:07] art__ (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [18:08] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-223-205.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:16] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:18] In regards to most xorg options, are "1" and 'true", the same? [18:19] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [18:19] Nick change: darkdevil -> DarkDevil [18:22] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [18:22] good evening, douchebags [18:23] Ow. [18:23] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [18:24] how can i add my user_name to another group? [18:24] oxiredo_ro: did you search the internet before asking? [18:25] i know there is a simple command ;dont remember.. [18:25] oxiredo_ro: usermod -G somegroup user_name [18:26] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:26] oxiredo_ro, note that you will have to specify all the groups you want the user to be in when you use usermod -G like such. [18:26] there is another command that does not need all groups [18:27] emacs /etc/group [18:27] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [18:27] oxiredo_ro: gpasswd -a [18:27] that wass [18:27] tnx [18:27] :) [18:28] [or -A, i always forget]. that will prevent you from being reckless with usermod :) [18:28] -a [18:29] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:30] atof (~atof@58.69.55.176) joined ##slackware. [18:31] the picture here is :)) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1132821 [18:32] (sudo) [18:32] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:32] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [18:33] opposite (~user@174-143-170-200.static.cloud-ips.com) joined ##slackware. [18:35] raelakoira (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:37] rworkman: I got links -g to work. It seems to require gpm to be on even if SDL_NOMOUSE=1 is set. [18:44] nvision (~nvision@g224249148.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:46] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:47] raelakoira (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:53] Necos: there is a menu option in sbopkg dialog to add all packages to a queue [18:56] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [18:58] LnxSlck (1000@89.214.18.165) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:01] atof (atof@58.69.55.176) left ##slackware. [19:02] AusLoki (~josh@c-69-141-34-70.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:02] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [19:02] rworkman: If you are there, the snort slackbuild download link to src does not exist, and the --docdir option has to be removed for it to work [19:03] ShKoDrAnI (~Ardit@95.107.196.109) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:06] AusLoki: You should email the maintainer. [19:07] I can't be bothered to send an email, and there is no easy comment form on the site [19:08] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [19:08] Well that is how you get it fixed. [19:08] strattera's the maintainer [19:08] yes [19:08] ShKoDrAnI (~Ardit@95.107.196.109) joined ##slackware. [19:09] ShKoDrAnI (~Ardit@95.107.196.109) left irc: Client Quit [19:09] XGizzmo: it's not a serious error, just thought I would let someone know [19:11] Fleurety (~fleurety@93.186.164.51) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:11] Fleurety (~fleurety@93.186.164.51) joined ##slackware. [19:12] Fleurety (~fleurety@93.186.164.51) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [19:14] Fleurety (~fleurety@93.186.164.51) joined ##slackware. [19:15] Fleurety (~fleurety@93.186.164.51) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [19:17] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:19] Fleurety (~fleurety@93.186.164.51) joined ##slackware. [19:19] hovercat (~user@r11lt208.net.upc.cz) joined ##slackware. [19:21] hovercat (user@r11lt208.net.upc.cz) left ##slackware. [19:24] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [19:24] How to copy and paste a file? [19:25] octopus [19:25] datace: how to google? [19:26] im looking in google as of now :( haventt find it yet [19:26] how about man cp ? [19:27] cp command . right [19:27] how bout paste? [19:28] ... uhh ... [19:28] oopps [19:29] its on one syntax right? [19:29] datace, you mean in a graphical file manager ? [19:29] in command line [19:29] terminal [19:31] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [19:32] despiron (~despiron@187.64.98.14) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [19:34] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-223-205.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:36] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:37] datace: define 'paste' [19:37] usually that word is not used when 'copy a file' context is used [19:38] paste for example in windows, copy a file to the directory you want to save it [19:39] datace: that's copy. [19:39] i have a file here and i want to paste this on the directory i want [19:39] again, that's simply a copy [19:40] there is no paste when i right click on the directory i want to paste [19:40] copy involves source and destination. you're applying the concept of file managers that have 'mark what to copy first then find destination' [19:41] datace: there is no clicking in command line. so make up your mind: are you talking CLI or GUI? [19:42] CLI [19:42] cp source destination [19:42] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:42] oh do you mean like in windows where pasting a file in a command shell yields the name of the file as a string? [19:42] AusLoki (josh@c-69-141-34-70.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [19:42] datace: straterra already gave you the manual to look at :) [19:43] yah that cp.. im looking for the syntax . [19:43] datace: cp --help [19:44] :) [19:45] i got error [19:45] copying plugin [19:45] bash-3.1# cp libflashplayer.so/usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins [19:45] cp: missing destination file operand after `libflashplayer.so/usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins' [19:45] Try `cp --help' for more information. [19:45] Channel flood from datace -- kicking [19:45] bash-3.1# [19:45] datace kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [19:45] ... [19:45] lol [19:45] Action: XGizzmo facepalm. [19:46] i just got back from getting yelled at by my advisor :) [19:46] ..... yeaaahhh (office space voice) [19:46] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [19:46] back [19:46] he keeps applying that 'copy first, then paste' paradigm [19:46] Necos: for being on irc? [19:46] no, for being a psycho student that takes his required classes out of order :) [19:46] datace: thums even gave you exact directions. why aren't you applying them? [19:48] but hey, if they're letting me take the classes out of order, they shouldn't get mad at me for actually doing it [19:48] as long as i pass [19:48] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left ##slackware. [19:48] ... [19:49] you have disturbed the actual fabric of the universe and space-time continuum [19:49] ananke: you scared him away! [19:49] thumbs: looks like it [19:49] that's going to give jkwood a woody [19:49] john_dee_ (~id@93-81-137-88.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:50] jlarrew (~WallRat00@24.174.52.126) joined ##slackware. [19:50] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [19:50] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:50] oh Lord... again [19:51] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [19:51] done coppying.. i used "root" user copy paste on mouse [19:51] jlarrew (~WallRat00@24.174.52.126) left irc: Client Quit [19:51] datace: you need to quit thinking that copying files is two separate operations. it's not. [19:52] k.. i think it was different procedure if your using linux as user. [19:53] datace: it's not. it's the same as on windows, if you use 'copy' cli command [19:53] does someone here knows if a 'screen' session get finished If I experience some abrupt shutdown while I'm attached to it? [19:53] you're just applying the concept your filemanager in windows taught you: you select files you want to copy, mark them as 'copy', then you 'paste them' into destination. [19:54] Khratos: no. [19:54] Khratos: it'll be suspended. Simply re-attach to it. [19:54] Ohhh, thanks thumbs [19:58] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:58] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:12] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [20:12] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=270694 [20:13] man i like urxvt but it was driving me crazy having to copy terminfo crap all over the place [20:14] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:15] Necos: yeah, i've been through that already, you need 9.07 [20:15] Bohemian (~Bohemian@149.130.214.114) joined ##slackware. [20:15] hi all, i'm considering slackware after a 6 year hiatus of using linux (been on fbsd since) as a secondary *nix install. can someone offer advice about slackware, i.e. what i should know and expect coming from fbsd? [20:16] in 2004 and 2003 i was using gentoo primarily. right now my secondary install is debian. for me debian is too old for a desktop computer environment, but great for my server [20:16] Bohemian: you could have a look at slackbook.org [20:17] Expect it to be very hardcore. [20:17] Slackware makes a great server, btw. [20:17] there's no default package manager, correct? [20:17] No frilly stuff like GUI installers (it's curses based) [20:17] There is a package manager and there are packages. [20:17] They just aren't dependency-tracked. [20:17] Since you have a *nix background, you'll feel in paradise [20:18] Slackware uses SysV init, but it's scripted to be close to traditional BSD init. [20:18] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.9) joined ##slackware. [20:18] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [20:18] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [20:18] If you want packages not in the official distro, slackbuilds.org [20:18] how is security on slackware? how are issues resolved? is there good documentation (it has been awhile since i've used linux and my job makes me paranoid). i know gentoo has a good documentation project and could just use those docs on slack, but am curious how slack's view on security is [20:19] Bohemian: it's easy though as there are so many packages on slackbuilds.org and they all tell you what you need and always usually have the dependencies on the site as well. [20:19] and yes, i realize a lot is up to the individual admin [20:19] i'd like to use grsecurity, if not selinux [20:19] It doesn't have PAM, so avoids security issues from that. [20:19] Since most packages are vanilla, a simple update from upstream is the fix pushed out. [20:19] There is an online book. [20:19] Bohemian: most slackware packages are as vanilla as possible unless they do need to be patched for security reasons and/or compatibility [20:19] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:20] You'll need to supply your own selinux stuff, I don't believe it's in the default. [20:20] If it requires PAM, well, have fun. [20:20] Gentoo wiki requires some understanding of Gentoo, for it to be useful in Slackware. [20:21] shemp: i used gentoo for two years [20:21] security of tools and data is documented. [20:22] slackbook.org has a security section though basic security is the same across the board. [20:23] yeah wario , i know, it's kind of a hard question to answer [20:23] i'm just trying to decide between debian sid and slack now [20:23] i narrowed it down [20:25] What else would you like to know? [20:26] if you were to sell slack in 100 words, what would you say? [20:26] oh jesus [20:26] That's kinda terse. [20:26] yay [20:27] Why not ask about important things and get answers? [20:27] 'please, convince me to use slackwre!!' boring [20:27] Bohemian: i think the homepage intro to slackware is about that long [20:27] We don't care if you use Slackware [20:27] Not in the least [20:28] somewhere, pat cares. [20:28] I don't thinkhe does [20:28] He maintains Slackware for him [20:28] Exactly. [20:28] oops forgot the sarcasm tags. [20:28] One person won't make or break the distro. [20:28] haha [20:28] well, you mentioned slack won't work with selinux because of PAM? [20:29] That's only if it requires PAM. [20:29] I haven't played with selinux to know [20:29] wonder what pat would do if his income from slackware related activities would no longer sustain him [20:29] Motoko-chan: Are you saying Slackware wants users not sheep? [20:29] ananke: flip burgers [20:29] XGizzmo, Slackware wants goats. [20:29] and lemons. [20:30] Captains not deck hands. :D [20:30] lemons seem to be the running meme among slack users [20:30] anake, maybe work for a company that does Linux stuff? [20:30] "Oh, that burger doesn't come with pickles. Pickles might lock you out of your system.." [20:31] might lock you out of your Happy Meal. * [20:31] i''d lock you out if you gave me a burger with pickles, how uncouth [20:31] Action: Motoko-chan likes pickles [20:32] ananke: I guess we need to do our best to make sure there is adequate income for him. [20:32] a lock pick'll get you out of a pickle [20:32] relish is ok [20:33] pickles just ruin everything [20:33] dills are better than sweet [20:33] sweet pickles are a lost cause [20:33] strangly i don't like pickles on my burger, yet with my french fries instead. [20:33] sweet pickles are for relish. [20:34] My boss subscribed to the CD set back in the 11.x days on my recommendation. [20:34] I moved the servers slowly from FreeBSD (4.x and 5.x) to Slackware. [20:34] pickles with fries only slightly worse then fries with gravy and cheese curds [20:35] hmmm [20:35] Motoko-chan: good move ay [20:35] moving servers from one os to another is never fun [20:35] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:35] It's worked out well. [20:36] The move happened as we cycled machines. [20:36] Action: ananke has a big to-do list of those, slowly shrinking over the years [20:36] Before moving to a managed environment (on RHEL), we still had one FBSD machine (running 4.2) left. [20:37] Bohemian (Bohemian@149.130.214.114) left ##slackware. [20:37] hey wario, did you already build 9.07? [20:37] yes [20:37] Our internal stuff is still all Slackware. [20:37] the slackbuild is stopping for me after the make install... [20:38] if you are on -current you need to tweak the strip lines [20:38] i think the lemons certainly convinced Bohemian [20:38] Necos: need to add || true after /dev/null [20:39] the second one to make it look like the 1st [20:39] erm, yeah.. strip line [20:40] http://slackbuilds.org/faq/#bash4 [20:40] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:40] i didn't even notice that lol [20:40] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [20:41] MrJackson (~MrJackson@173-86-43-218.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [20:41] so the slackbuild hasn't been updated for the new bash [20:41] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.92.69) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:41] Razec (1000@189-92-37-228.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:41] brb gonna update [20:41] they are migrating them. a good bit have been [20:41] Necos: SlackBuilds.org doesn't support -current. Only the latest Slackware stable. [20:41] well, or not, though some of them are correct. i guess it depends on the maintainer [20:43] ah, much better [20:43] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] BP{k}, true :) [20:43] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [20:43] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:43] no more dodgy perl errors [20:46] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [20:48] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left irc: Client Quit [20:49] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.142) joined ##slackware. [20:50] is there a synclient variable to enable "copy on select"? [20:51] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:51] spiko (~spiko@89-212-125-237.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [20:52] Necos: not one that i have found. [20:52] gpm apparently doesn't copy the selection in a terminal to the proper buffer, so i can't use shift+ins to paste [20:53] raela (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:53] raela (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:54] i don't think synclient effects out side of X does it? [20:54] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:55] after yesterday's current upgrade I lost /dev/sda... how can I get it back? [20:56] You know, you shouldn't be running -current if you aren't prepared for that. [20:56] "lost /dev/sda"?? [20:56] Do you have any drives detected? [20:56] raela (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:56] i'm prepared for that, but i need help [20:56] Did the point just change? [20:57] my drive is detected as sda, but no node in dev [20:57] raela (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:57] martin_hex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:57] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Disconnected by services [20:57] SlackNeo (~SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:57] Nick change: martin_hex -> martinhex [20:57] raela (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:58] raela (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:58] gotta run [20:58] What was updated? [20:59] raela (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [21:00] Motoko-chan: about40 packages... including bash, glibc, kde, x... [21:00] bot not kernel [21:00] Hmmm [21:00] promise? :) [21:00] any body knows any tool for white-box test? [21:01] that is a very broad question [21:02] raela (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:02] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:03] :S [21:06] Razec (1000@189-92-37-228.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:06] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [21:08] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:08] I can mount my disk ok if i first mknod the sda, but I'd like that to be done at boot time... do I have to configure udev for that? [21:10] um [21:10] Grifulkin (~Ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:11] spiko: what version of udev are you running and what version of kernel? [21:11] brb, gotta grab a coffee [21:12] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:12] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:12] greetings and salutations [21:13] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:13] wotcha andarius :) [21:13] wotcha BP{k} :) [21:13] Isn't it great, that I articulate? [21:14] mbohun: udev 1.51, kernel 2.6.32.2. I tried to reistall package udev but it gives some errors ... [21:14] did you rebuild your initrd ? [21:14] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [21:14] don't mknod /dev/sda , that's awful [21:15] can you confirm this using slackware's huge kernel ? [21:15] lol [21:15] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [21:15] no, i'm using a custom built kernel [21:15] confirm it with slackware's kernel [21:16] did you run lilo after the kernel updates ? [21:16] i didn't update the kernel at all [21:17] the latest update, updates the kernel [21:17] you didn't get the update for 2.6.33.1 ? [21:17] no, i build my own a few weeks ago [21:17] worked ok till yesterday [21:17] if you had "about 50 updates', then that probably includes the one from March 31, at which point the kernel *was* updated [21:18] could the udev rules be broken? when i reinstall udev it complains about them [21:18] spiko: ls -l /boot/ and see what vmlinuz points to. you probably updated the kernel [21:18] spiko, no, udev hasn't been updated in months [21:19] wario it points to a non existent file +) [21:19] Action: XGizzmo watches the carnage. [21:19] and i'd advice looking at what is being updated anytime you upgrade-all in the future [21:19] but you promised! [21:19] advise* [21:19] Guest79666 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:20] i'm 100 % i did not get the new kernel... the vmlinuz link just points to an old kernel that is no longer there [21:21] init[1] (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [21:21] Nick change: init[1] -> Guest50885 [21:21] anyway, fix your symlink, run lilo, and confirm this happens with slackware's huge kernel [21:22] I like that slackware tends to use software as it is distributed [21:22] hm i can't run lilo... it complains about unexisting sda [21:22] what does fdisk -l show? [21:23] mz usb and sdcard [21:24] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Quit: © [21:25] probably would just be easiest to use the slack bootdisk and chroot and fix lilo [21:26] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:26] i don't think that would help... [21:27] /facepalm [21:27] sure... i have nothing to do... i'll do it [21:28] hey there - where do I set the timezone of my laptop? When I have no internet it advances 1h [21:28] jd (~jd@bas1-montreal33-1279638690.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:28] jd (~jd@bas1-montreal33-1279638690.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Changing host [21:28] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [21:29] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:29] Kaapa: you can probably remove /etc/adjtime and let your bios set it again on boot [21:29] spiko: i m running kernel 2.6.33.2, with the stock slack13 udev 141 - and have no problems [21:30] Gulug (old-times@134-100-73-76.ipv4.gulug.com.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:30] Gulug (old-times@134-100-73-76.ipv4.gulug.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:30] mbohun: he doesn't know what's going on. he has /boot/vmlinuz pointing to nothing [21:30] it sounds like your kernel update didn't work out, you should see some info in dmesg output [21:30] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.9) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:30] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.9) joined ##slackware. [21:32] wario: thanks [21:32] Kaapa: no prob [21:34] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-43-218.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:34] wario: fixing the vmlinuz link did not help [21:34] you ran lilo? [21:34] yes [21:34] okay [21:35] spiko: what's ls /var/log/packages/kernel* give? [21:36] haha [21:36] Action: fiyawerx just went to noobfarm.com ... [21:37] wario: 2.6.33.1 firmware, 2.6.33.1_smp headers, and a very old kernel and modules for it [21:37] okay [21:38] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [21:38] and the bootable slackdisk saw /dev/sda just fine I take it? [21:39] yes [21:39] Nick change: darkdevil -> DarkDevil [21:39] i really am unable to think of anything except look at the logsfor anything [21:39] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:40] i just get errors by e2fsck that there is no /dev/sda1.. though a few lines before that i see disk identified as sda [21:40] spiko: do you have any extra options in /etc/fstab ? [21:41] Nick change: DarkDevil -> darkdevil [21:41] wario: defaults, remount,noatime [21:41] spiko: is it a solid state drive? /dev/sda [21:42] yes [21:42] mhhm [21:43] why the remount option? [21:43] i don't know.. i didn't touch it [21:43] is that way since slackware 12.1 iirc [21:44] i'd remove remount as it doesn't seem needed [21:46] make sure lilo has the read-only command listed [21:46] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:47] here is my lilo for an example [21:47] http://dpaste.com/185992/ [21:48] thumbs (1000@modemcable250.220-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:48] yes, ihave read-only set in lilo.conf [21:49] caixabox_ (~c9354157@gateway/web/freenode/x-hfeqiwrmmleojzzx) left irc: Quit: ZzzZZzzzzzZZZzzZzzzZzzzzzZzzzzzzZZZZzzzzz [21:49] thumbs (1000@modemcable250.220-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:50] think the remount option could be that important? cuz the rescue disc takes a long time :) [21:51] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:51] ah, nvm, i could just remount rw [21:52] (no change) [21:53] i would remove it. it's not there by default with -current [21:54] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [21:54] syslog has udevd errors [21:54] oh yeah? [21:54] yeah ~10 [21:55] "GOTO 'hid2hci_end' has no matching label in: '//lib/udev/rules.d/70-hid2hci.rules' [21:56] unknown key 'SYMLINK{unique} in //lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules:3 [21:57] that's about it, several times each [21:57] I like the rants on the BSD mailing lists though. http://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-pkg/2004/07/24/0029.html [21:59] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:00] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [22:02] looks like debian forked netpbm and slackware just went with the flow [22:04] spiko: here's my 50-dev-default.rules; http://dpaste.com/185995/ [22:05] and 70-hid2hci.rules; http://dpaste.com/185996/ [22:07] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:08] wario, mine seem to be the same [22:10] Sonic (old-times@134-100-73-76.ipv4.gulug.com.br) joined ##slackware. [22:10] i'll try downgrading udev [22:11] will udev let you? [22:12] idk, i'll try [22:12] coolkehon (~second@unaffiliated/sec0nd) joined ##slackware. [22:12] Gulug (old-times@134-100-73-76.ipv4.gulug.com.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:12] hi [22:14] hi [22:15] by the way the link for slackware package browser on is not working for a few months now [22:15] on slackware.com/packages [22:15] s/months/years/ [22:16] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:16] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] everyone, stay away from the ebay seller "shopmtc" They shipped a laptop that was listed as "grade A - only minor scratches on the plastics and keyboard" when in fact, there are parts broken off of it and missing. [22:19] I even emailed them prior to bidding to confirm the state of the item too. [22:19] did you get a picture? [22:19] I did. and I took my own picture too. [22:19] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [22:19] i woudln't buy anything valuable off ebay but thats just me [22:19] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:19] I've bought plenty of "valuable" items off ebay. [22:19] whatever that means... [22:20] means things you can't afford to lose money on [22:21] I can afford to lose money on any purchase, otherwise I would not buy in the first place. This isn't about losing money. This is about being mislead. [22:21] so sue them [22:21] If they don't honor my RMA request I just might [22:21] okey dokey [22:22] :) [22:22] ebay and paypal are both too shady for me to trust [22:22] okay, udev downgraded to 1.41 works fine [22:22] paypal can freeze your account to use your mula [22:22] wario, thanks for help.. also others :) enjoy [22:22] it seems that the risk of getting scammed on ebay are just too great to result in a net benefit [22:23] and it turns out people tend to pay more then retail on ebay [22:23] gee, that's a cool blanket statement... [22:23] no, its true [22:24] orly? [22:24] So everyone who buys something on ebay pays more than retail? [22:24] thats kinda true for all auctions [22:24] irl [22:24] theres an implied thrift from getting things at auction that don't bear a relationship to the actual cost of the item [22:24] I think you don't know much about ebay. [22:24] its not my assertion [22:24] i just agree with it cause it makes sense [22:24] ah [22:25] tank-man: yep. it's actually amazing to witness it. you see junk going for more than it's worth all the time [22:25] blind following is also cool [22:25] since paypal is not considered a bank it is unregulated [22:25] There's no doubt that 10 dollar gift certificates have been sold for 15 bucks + shipping on ebay but not all people who use ebay are that blind. [22:26] its a hustle [22:26] antiwire: i think it's fair to say that ebay is a hostile environment for casual consumers [22:26] That's fair. [22:27] plenty of scammers, having to deal with shady paypal, bidding is often won at the last minute by people with sniping software [22:28] overall, for an occassional purchase, ebay is a scary place [22:28] well, with those snipping software, you didnt have a high enough bid so the other guy wanted it more. doesnt matter if it was done at last second [22:28] a large number of auctions are by retail sales unloading stuff that doesn't sell [22:29] Grifulkin (~Ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:29] so you end up paying the buy it now for convience when they were losing money holding on to it [22:29] the other fun factor is the whole feedback system [22:29] yeah, good intent, but bad idea [22:29] plus i hear ebay now uses updogg (tm) !@ [22:30] whats updawg? [22:30] not much, what's up with you? [22:30] ba da bump [22:30] that is kind of like a henway [22:31] fiyawerx, don't forget your line [22:31] is mancha up to his lies again [22:31] Action: ananke is still waiting for his monoprice purchase at work... [22:31] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:32] Skywise: whats my lnie [22:32] Action: Skywise points to brokedown's line [22:32] whats a henway? [22:32] about 3 pounds [22:33] ba da bump [22:33] there you go [22:33] we;ll be here all week [22:33] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [22:33] try the veal [22:33] whats a veal? [22:34] 3rd base [22:34] why? [22:34] he's on 2nd [22:34] But I don't think he's on 2nd [22:34] whats on 2nd [22:36] your mom was last night? [22:37] its, who's on first? [22:37] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-223-205.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:37] yes [22:37] i dunno is third [22:38] you're not following the flow [22:38] i was just trying to explain since it unraveled [22:39] leave a lit candle to the patron saint of lost causes [22:40] Action: Skywise pours a 40 on the dead horse [22:40] spiko: no problem. i wonder why you had a problem though [22:41] wario: i'd say it was the udev rules [22:41] spiko, yes those can be fickle when you u/g udevs [22:41] SiegeX (219@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [22:41] wario: though they seemed identical to yours :... [22:42] but udev knew the difference [22:42] didya diff 'em? [22:46] no, visual check... but they were stock 1.51 from current [22:46] there were some changes though [22:47] syntactical [22:47] i'd say it was well i can diff them now :) [22:50] yeah.. .visual diff failed :P [22:51] big differences [22:51] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-223-205.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:52] They are supposed to be updated automatically, so i'm guessing something didn't go right with the udev upgrade. [22:54] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:55] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [22:55] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-43.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:55] j0z (~SPH@187.59.29.116) joined ##slackware. [22:55] j0z (~SPH@187.59.29.116) left irc: Changing host [22:55] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [22:57] maybe it was related to the udev errors in the log? i do have some custom libraries installed [22:59] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:00] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Client Quit [23:05] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:05] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [23:08] CTCP PING: 1271830585 586150 from Khratos (Khratos!jespinal@66.128.60.148) to ##slackware [23:09] Khratos: Versioning an entire channel is not a good thing [23:09] veritos (~koenig@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:09] sorry, I had no idea this thing 'Irssi' would do that [23:09] I wanted to see if my modem did not 'magically' dropped my connection [23:10] heh [23:11] I don't see the problem, ircd-seven has modes to block CTCP. [23:11] Plasmastar: do it in the wrong channel and something might 'trigger' say.. a bot.. that kicks/bans for such things. [23:11] THAT would be the problem. [23:12] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:15] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [23:15] Dominian, here. paste this in fast. /kill thumbs [23:16] :) [23:16] I have a substitute built.. if I paste that it actually does: /kill jeev [23:16] ;) [23:16] Action: thumbs hates jeev [23:19] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:19] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [23:24] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@12.189.110.2) joined ##slackware. [23:24] d i e [23:25] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:27] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [23:31] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:33] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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