[00:00] <hiptobecubic> This would be going a lot faster if i had managed to get that cross compiler working the other day
[00:00] <antiwire> bad failed to build
[00:00] <hiptobecubic> why?
[00:00] <dive> cos
[00:01] <dive> IT'S BAD
[00:01] <dive> any questions?
[00:01] <antiwire> gstx264enc.c: In function 'gst_x264_enc_init_encoder':
[00:01] <antiwire> gstx264enc.c:544: error: 'x264_param_t' has no member named 'b_bframe_adaptive'
[00:01] <antiwire> make[3]: *** [libgstx264_la-gstx264enc.lo] Error 1
[00:01] <dive> erk
[00:01] <hiptobecubic> well damnit
[00:01] <Thom1> hi
[00:01] <dive> hi Thom1
[00:01] <hiptobecubic> i must not be there yet
[00:01] <antiwire> I bet that's the one I need too
[00:01] <eviljames> antiwire: which x264 are you using?
[00:01] <dive> hiptobecubic, you compiled yet?
[00:02] <hiptobecubic> it's going....
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[00:02] <antiwire> x264-20090310-i686-1_SBo
[00:02] <antiwire> good built, ugly built bad failed
[00:02] <eviljames> hm, me too.
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[00:02] <eviljames> what are you using gstreamer for? do you think you could use bad with --disable-x264?
[00:02] <antiwire> hell no
[00:03] <antiwire> I think pidging actually needs this one
[00:03] <dive> hmm
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[00:03] <dive> perhaps I should install others too then
[00:03] <hiptobecubic> antiwire, bad and ugly both built for me
[00:03] <eviljames> pidgin needs to play x264 videos?
[00:03] <fire|bird> eviljames: the latest version adds video/audio support
[00:03] <antiwire> dive: maybe voice will work
[00:04] <agentc0re> good god.   $193USD for timecubebrewery.com/net/org for 5 years with priv registration on godaddy.
[00:04] <hiptobecubic> Well
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[00:04] <hiptobecubic> i just tried to call myself from the legit google client on winxp
[00:04] <hiptobecubic> pidgin crashed immediately.
[00:04] <dive> gonna check updates first though...
[00:05] <dive> Building list of potential Enemies
[00:05] <hiptobecubic> i'm going to rebuild it now that those plugins are installed...
[00:05] <antiwire> I'm going to try to build http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/src/gst-plugins-bad/gst-plugins-bad-0.10.13.tar.bz2 instead of the SBo version
[00:05] <antiwire> hiptobecubic: you don't need to
[00:05] <antiwire> just restart pidgin
[00:05] <antiwire> haha
[00:05] <hiptobecubic> you sure?
[00:05] <antiwire> it crashed for you
[00:05] <antiwire> that's what #pidgin told me
[00:06] <dive> I'm doing gst-ffmpeg too
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[00:07] <antiwire> me to then
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[00:10] <hiptobecubic> do we need gst-ffmpeg? i don't have ffmpeg installed
[00:10] <antiwire> gst-ffmpeg has its own
[00:10] <antiwire> just go bonker like us too
[00:10] <antiwire> gogogogo
[00:10] <antiwire> it's all internal for it
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[00:11] <hiptobecubic> i'm just doing the latest of everything
[00:11] <hiptobecubic> building building..........
[00:12] <antiwire> SBo versions?
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[00:12] <antiwire> or are you actually fetching the newest from upstream?
[00:12] <hiptobecubic> no, the latest latest
[00:12] <antiwire> damn it
[00:12] <hiptobecubic> swapping version numbers in info files etc
[00:12] <hiptobecubic> WHO KNOWS WHAT THE HELL I'M DOING
[00:13] <hiptobecubic> i think i'll rebuild pidgin a few times
[00:13] <Urchlay> whatever you're doing, you should be writing a script to do it for you :)
[00:13] <antiwire> lol
[00:13] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, an "install pidgin with vv in 64-current on 20 aug 2009" script?
[00:13] <dive> building:
[00:13] <dive> CPU: 88 °C
[00:14] <hiptobecubic> dive, lol
[00:14] <dive> :O
[00:14] <Urchlay> hiptobecubic: eh, sure
[00:14] <dive>  05:14:19 up 1 day, 11:49,  5 users,  load average: 2.12, 1.87, 1.25
[00:14] <hiptobecubic> my gpu is at 73 for some reason.
[00:14] <antiwire> gst-plugins-bad-0.10.13 built
[00:14] <antiwire> YES
[00:14] <dive> k
[00:14] <Urchlay> gst-plugins-satanic next?
[00:14] <Thom1> does slackware installer check asc sign ?
[00:14] <antiwire> gst-plugins-vibrating-dildo
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[00:15] <hiptobecubic> antiwire, i wish
[00:15] <hiptobecubic> errr
[00:15] <antiwire> lol
[00:15] <Urchlay> gst-plugins-unplugged doesn't take long to compile :)
[00:15] <hiptobecubic> how about gst-plugins-FFFFUUUUUUUUIHATETHISSHIT
[00:15] <antiwire> brb
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[00:15] <fire|bird> hiptobecubic: you can try, but that's still a pre-1.0 version release, very buggy. :P
[00:16] <eviljames> agentc0re: is this the end of our brewery?
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[00:16] <Urchlay> hey, miniatures|abduct
[00:16] <antiwire> alright.
[00:16] <hiptobecubic> eviljames, died before it started huh?
[00:16] <Urchlay> er, fire|bird
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[00:16] <antiwire> I have gst good, bad, ugly ffmpeg
[00:16] <hiptobecubic> antiwire, yours is fast....
[00:16] <fire|bird> haha, hey Urchlay
[00:17] <eviljames> hiptobecubic: hey, i may have good ideas
[00:17] <eviljames> hiptobecubic: but what I don't have is initiative.
[00:17] <hiptobecubic> Can't win them all. You need a go get-em side kick
[00:17] <Urchlay> fire|bird: what's new & interesting?
[00:17] <antiwire> my shit is turbo'd
[00:17] <hiptobecubic> antiwire, lol
[00:17] <hiptobecubic> that button was great
[00:17] <hiptobecubic> the "make my computer slower" button
[00:17] <agentc0re> eviljames: i hope not.
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[00:18] <hiptobecubic> bad and good are installed... building ugly...
[00:18] <fire|bird> Urchlay: not much, still working with this laptop trying to image the dang thing, the last attempt I thought would work great but BSOD's have consumed it. How about you?
[00:19] <hiptobecubic> done ugly... building ffmpeg....
[00:19] <Urchlay> fire|bird: busy as hell, but not making much money to show for it :(
[00:19] <hiptobecubic> Configuring included FFmpeg instance with args --prefix=/usr --disable-ffserver --disable-ffplay --enable-postproc --enable-gpl --enable-static --enable-shared --disable-encoder=flac --disable-decoder=cavs --disable-protocols --disable-devices --disable-network --disable-ffmpeg --enable-swscale .....
[00:19] <hiptobecubic> configuring ffmpeg with args: .... --disable-ffmpeg
[00:19] <antiwire> lol
[00:19] <antiwire> lmao
[00:19] <hiptobecubic> :D
[00:20] <antiwire> good thing we don't have voice working yet, i loled
[00:20] <hiptobecubic> they should include something like that with everything.  --disable-pidgin
[00:20] <antiwire> just to see if people use it and then report bugs
[00:20] <antiwire> hahaha
[00:20] <hiptobecubic> :D
[00:21] <dive> try --disable-x
[00:21] <hiptobecubic> "BUG #213124: Pidgin fails to load when built with --disable-pidgin. Backtrace included: 'NULL' "
[00:21] <Urchlay> :)
[00:21] <antiwire> oh man that's hilarious
[00:22] <dive> you can build finch on its own
[00:22] <dive> diable gtk and X
[00:22] <sahko> --disable-gtk actually does that
[00:22] <quasar> hiptobecubic: I made packages for all that crap earlier tonight lol (+libmp3lame, +libfaac, +libfaad, +libxvid, +libx264, +libschroedinger, +speex, +openjpeg)
[00:22] <sahko> it installs finch
[00:22] <Urchlay> I betcha --disable-ffmpeg means "just build the libraries, not the actual ffmpeg executable"
[00:22] <antiwire> dive: did you finish the plugins yet?
[00:22] <dive> building bad
[00:22] <antiwire> k
[00:22] <eviljames> Urchlay: you're probably right.  ffmpeg ships with libavcodec
[00:22] <dive> sahko, I had a SB for it once
[00:22] <dive> with a couple of patches
[00:23] <hiptobecubic> dive,  you still do.
[00:23] <antiwire> I'll get more beer in the meantime
[00:23] <dive> I thought I put pidgin back in..
[00:23] <hiptobecubic> you have both
[00:23] <dive> dunno havent looked
[00:23] <hiptobecubic> gst-ffmpeg failed because it couldn't find docs/plugins/html
[00:23] <Urchlay> yeah, and apparently they're not too picky about keeping the libavcodec API stable
[00:23] <dive> finch is ok but like gui sometimes
[00:23] <antiwire> Urchlay: they caused some mayhem
[00:24] <antiwire> the only thing I wish finch had was proxy support
[00:24] <antiwire> it still lacks that
[00:24] <dtanner> a friend of mines girlfriend called him the other day and said "beer is important. and even more so ALL THE BEER." meaning sdhe had drank every beer in the house. =)
[00:24] <hiptobecubic> tsocks
[00:24] <antiwire> hiptobecubic: I had to use proxychains
[00:24] <eviljames> dtanner: i like her style.\
[00:24] <dtanner> =)
[00:25] <antiwire> brb again
[00:25] <hiptobecubic> HEYOOOO
[00:25] <dtanner> he was laughing and talkng about neeeding to go get more beer on the way home from work.
[00:25] <hiptobecubic> new errors
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[00:25] <agentc0re> Are you guys working on getting the new pidgin built with video support?
[00:25] <hiptobecubic> (00:24:54) Error creating session: Could not create the valve element (00:24:54) Error adding stream
[00:25] <hiptobecubic> agentc0re, yeah
[00:25] <agentc0re> cool.
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[00:25] <antiwire> what errors!
[00:25] <hiptobecubic> antiwire, LMAO
[00:25] <dive> antiwire, ok rock n rolling
[00:25] <hiptobecubic> no you missed it
[00:25] <hiptobecubic> nevermind
[00:26] <Urchlay> valve element? There's your problem, you're on a solid-state digital computer, not one of those old monstrosities that uses valves (aka vacuum tubes...)
[00:26] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, you know... if you have to explain the punchline.....
[00:26] <hiptobecubic> antiwire, (00:24:54) Error creating session: Could not create the valve element (00:24:54) Error adding stream
[00:26] <Urchlay> *shrug*
[00:26] <hiptobecubic> i just tried to call from gtalk, instant crash
[00:26] <sahko> pidgin is starting to resemble firefox or emacs in sense of bloat
[00:26] <antiwire> yeah we got it
[00:27] <Urchlay> sahko: they ought to merge all 3 together, then
[00:27] <eviljames> Urchlay: it's ok man, I got it.
[00:27] <antiwire> dude that's crazy
[00:27] <sahko> Urchlay: emacs probably already has pidgin included, but its written in lisp :P
[00:28] <Urchlay> sahko: and I know emacs has a browser written in lisp (dunno if it's actually usable though)
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[00:28] <agentc0re> so i take it you have yet to get new pidgin to work with video though :P
[00:28] <sahko> w3m-emacs i think
[00:28] <sahko> emacs-w3m
[00:29] <sahko> but that needs w3m too. maybe thats not it
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[00:29] <antiwire> dude
[00:30] <antiwire> it works, I can hear dive but he said sound is so bad you can't make it out
[00:30] <Urchlay> sahko: the one time I tried to use it, was in about 1999. It couldn't handle something-er-another that I needed it to (like nested HTML tables, or textareas, or some kinda semi-fundamental HTML thing...)
[00:30] <hiptobecubic> it WORKS?
[00:30] <antiwire> yeah
[00:30] <antiwire> but I can hear him and mine is jacked up, robot man style
[00:31] <antiwire> audacity works fine though
[00:31] <antiwire> this is weird again.
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[00:33] <agentc0re> eviljames: did you write those beer names down by chance?
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[00:33] <antiwire> I think dive choked
[00:33] <antiwire> dive you make it?
[00:35] <antiwire> the skype echo test works too
[00:37] <dive> got no volume bar talking to hiptobecubic and when he videod me got a black screen >.<
[00:37] <fire|bird> agentc0re: you mean, 4 Corner Lager and Evil Educator Pale Ale ?
[00:37] <dive> my guess if one or other doesnt have mic/cam then it just doesnt connect
[00:37] <dive> brb
[00:37] <antiwire> I'm going to rebuild my gst plugins with the latest versions from upstream
[00:38] <dive> antiwire, you got any progs you can test mic out with?
[00:39] <agentc0re> fire|bird: there were more.
[00:39] <antiwire> yeah, skype's online echo test worked perfectly
[00:39] <dive> hmm
[00:39] <antiwire> audacity worked good too
[00:39] <fire|bird> agentc0re: Oh, I must of missed them, I got those two from my logs
[00:39] <antiwire> it's gotta be the plugins
[00:39] <dive> they need some options to change codec..
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[00:39] <fire|bird> agentc0re: Singularity Stout
[00:39] <dive> antiwire, could be, I will grab source too
[00:40] <dive> fire|bird gets sucked into a black hole
[00:40] <agentc0re> Simultaneous IPA, HALF AND HALF CO-CREATED Black and Tan
[00:40] <fire|bird> dive: I did, crap.
[00:40] <agentc0re> Singularity Stout
[00:40] <fire|bird> agentc0re: yeah, the HALF AND HALF was one you typed.
[00:41] <agentc0re> eviljames: Okay, saved in my gmail drafts for later review.  :D
[00:42] <agentc0re> eviljames: need to work on finding some godaddy promo's to make those domain's cheaper.
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[00:42] <agentc0re> eviljames: Only thing is that i dunno how i'll be able to sell beer in utah... without jumping through a million hoops.  :/
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[00:43] <fire|bird> hey Rat409
[00:43] <Rat409> hey fire|bird how you doing?
[00:43] <fire|bird> Rat409: doing excellent, thanks. you?
[00:43] <Rat409> good thanks
[00:44] <antiwire> good and bad done, guly and ffmpeg plugins building again
[00:44] <rworkman> Okay, entering moron mode.  What's required to do video/voice in an IM app?
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[00:44] <antiwire> all with upstream mirror versions
[00:44] <antiwire> rworkman: mayhem dude. mayhem is required.
[00:44] <jeev> a hot girl with yoga pants
[00:44] <rworkman> Note that I'm *not* asking how to support it in the app - I've got that handled with pidgin-2.6.1 -- what I'm asking is what kind of account is needed.
[00:44] <antiwire> rworkman: google talk
[00:44] <jeev> SIP maybe ?
[00:44] Action: rworkman is a chat noob.  
[00:45] <rworkman> ah, so xmpp
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[00:45] <rworkman> Now to figure out how to make an account with that.  :/
[00:45] <agentc0re> rworkman: depends on which protocol.  so if google, a google account... msn, a msn account.. that's all.
[00:45] <antiwire> rworkman: a gmail account should work
[00:45] <agentc0re> ie google, gmail works fine.
[00:45] Nick change: siegex -> SiegeX
[00:46] <agentc0re> windows live accounts can be made with any kind of email... doesn't need to be a hotmail.com or whatever else they have now.
[00:46] <fire|bird> Rat409: any idea what the theme is that is shown on the pekwm.org home page?
[00:46] <agentc0re> ICQ i think has video too..
[00:46] <Thom1> fire|bird, it's the default theme
[00:46] <fire|bird> agentc0re: live.com is the other windows one. who knows, they'll probably have bing.com ones soon.
[00:46] <rworkman> k, thanks guys.  Let's see.
[00:46] <fire|bird> Thom1: no, it isn't.
[00:46] <agentc0re> ooo that reminds me.  I should block bing.com at work..
[00:47] <fire|bird> agentc0re: haha
[00:47] <agentc0re> that damn search engine is bias.
[00:47] <fire|bird> Thom1: the default one is ugly beyond ugly.
[00:47] <fire|bird> agentc0re: It's an M$ product, what do you expect? :P
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[00:48] <agentc0re> fire|bird: i didn't expect anything, and honestly i am not surprised..  Still though, i can be pissed about it.  :P
[00:48] <fire|bird> agentc0re: yup, you sure can
[00:48] <agentc0re> Not sure if it's just me or just work.. Maybe both, but my users have been really pissing me off lately.
[00:48] <Quiznos> morn
[00:49] <antiwire> did you feed them?
[00:49] <fire|bird> evening Quiznos
[00:49] <Quiznos> hihi
[00:49] <dive> mornin
[00:49] <antiwire> you can't just let users go without food
[00:49] <antiwire> they need water too
[00:49] <Rat409> fire|bird: afaik default
[00:49] <Quiznos> hi dive
[00:49] <agentc0re> antiwire: I tried starving them... But they came back as zombies
[00:49] <antiwire> lol
[00:49] <fire|bird> antiwire: do agentc0re's table scraps count as feeding? :P
[00:49] <Quiznos> i actually sleep for a few hours
[00:49] <fire|bird> Rat409: Hmm, it wasn't default on mine, but I see that I have an old version, I'm going to rebuild.
[00:49] <dive> agentc0re, throw brains at them
[00:49] <Quiznos> or poo :)
[00:50] <NewbieSlacker> hi
[00:50] <Quiznos> chimpanzees are so reourceful
[00:50] <fire|bird> Thom1: Do you know what version of pekwm that is the default for?
[00:50] <agentc0re> dive: they had those once and it didn't do them any good.
[00:51] <antiwire> hiptobecubic: status?
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[00:51] <Thom1> fire|bird, let me check in a vm
[00:51] <antiwire> I still get 503 when i try to IM hiptobecubic over XMPP
[00:51] <fire|bird> Thom1: ok, thank you.
[00:51] <hiptobecubic> found it finally
[00:52] <Quiznos> so what's you workin on?
[00:52] <Quiznos> everyone *
[00:52] <agentc0re> Quiznos: new pidgin, w/video
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[00:52] <rworkman> Well, screw this.  Too much trouble to test.
[00:52] <Quiznos> k
[00:52] <antiwire> video and audio in pidgin
[00:52] <agentc0re> rworkman: hahah
[00:52] <Quiznos> k
[00:52] <antiwire> rworkman: totally. it requires way too much beer to get this far
[00:52] <dive> antiwire, which version gstreamer you installed?
[00:52] <rworkman> I'll put the deps somewhere if anyone wants them.  From there, it's just adding "--enable-vv" to pidgin's confiugre argurments
[00:52] <agentc0re> antiwire: and by the time you have that much beer you'll probably do more harm than good. :P
[00:53] <antiwire> dive: gstreamer-0.10.23-i486-1
[00:53] <dive> antiwire, I have 0.10.24
[00:53] <hiptobecubic> me too
[00:53] <antiwire> should I upgrade that and the base set too?
[00:53] <antiwire> ok
[00:53] <dive> rworkman, http://www.unrealize.co.uk/slackbuilds
[00:53] <antiwire> few mins
[00:53] <dive> although I don't have all the plugins yet
[00:54] <hiptobecubic> what's a quick program that does audio recording?
[00:54] <dive> soundrec32.exe
[00:54] <hiptobecubic> lol
[00:54] <Rat409> Thom1:  can do xinit /usr/bin/pekwm -- :1 to run 2nd xsession
[00:54] <Quiznos> cat
[00:54] <Rat409> on another tty
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[00:54] <dive> antiwire, ugly failed
[00:54] <fire|bird> Rat409: I'm rebuilding pekwm now with the latest, maybe it's the default there, but it sure isn't the default on the version I have.
[00:54] <Thom1> Rat409, i know, i know :)
[00:55] <Rat409> figured you did sorry
[00:55] <dive> 0.10.12
[00:55] <rworkman> dive: well damn, I wish I'd known (or remembered?) that you had those :/
[00:55] <Thom1> Rat409, i don't want to create a user only to check pekwm :D
[00:56] <Rat409> k
[00:56] <dive> I just host stuff that either can't go on SBo yet, or for current at the moment
[00:56] <dive> or other versions..
[00:56] <rworkman> ah
[00:56] <dive> antiwire, did ugly 0.10.12 build?
[00:57] <antiwire> yep
[00:57] <hiptobecubic> i built all three without a hitch
[00:57] <dive> damn
[00:57] <dive> error: x264_enc_debug undeclared
[00:58] <rworkman> dive: I'm a bit surprised that gst-python-0.10.16 built for you.  It won't here (at least on x86_64)
[00:58] <dive> you had something similar for bad
[00:58] <fire|bird> dive: ugly from SBo, or a newer version? I've always had issues building that, regardless of version of it. I can't get it built with 12.2 or current. (I'm not trying this pidgin audio/video stuff, I'm just curious beings you mentioned it)
[00:58] <dive> fire|bird, I grabbed latest source I could find from w/site
[00:58] <fire|bird> dive: ok, thanks.
[00:59] <Quiznos> cant buld what?
[00:59] <fire|bird> Quiznos: gst-plugins-ugly ( or whatever the name is )
[00:59] <rworkman> Okay, http://slackware.com/~rworkman/pidgin-vv/
[01:00] <Thom1> fire|bird, this is the default theme
[01:00] <Thom1> like in homepage
[01:00] <Thom1> called "default"
[01:00] <fire|bird> Thom1: Ok, thanks for checking. I just built the latest version and am going to check it out.
[01:00] <Thom1> ok
[01:00] <fire|bird> Thom1: I was using SBo's version, which was .5, the latest is .11, so I just built and installed .11
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[01:00] <dive> well let's give it a shot anyway
[01:00] <rworkman> dive: were you planning to submit those two (libnice and farsight2) to SBo after 13.0?
[01:01] <dive> rworkman, yes
[01:01] <hiptobecubic> i can't tell if this mic works...
[01:01] <antiwire> I'll be ready for round 3 test in a few minutes too
[01:01] <rworkman> dive: okay, then I won't add mine.  I'll let  you maintain them :)
[01:01] <dive> and bbdock
[01:01] <dive> ok thanks
[01:01] <Thom1> fire|bird, ok :)
[01:01] <rworkman> dive: perhaps consider merging anything from mine that you might have missed, and tell me if I missed anything you didn't :)  Maybe they're the same, if we're lucky!
[01:02] <quasar> yay.. script is working again so now when I get mail from *@slackware.com KDE will pop up a dialog box :p
[01:02] <dive> rworkman, sure
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[01:05] <juice> why is there a gstreamer on sbo?
[01:05] <juice> s/is/sin't
[01:05] <antiwire> juice: because SBo is setup for 12.2
[01:05] <antiwire> hmm
[01:05] <Quiznos> got a cracker on vsftpd
[01:06] <juice> bah
[01:06] <juice> isn't even
[01:06] <Quiznos> what's the format of vsftpd's etc/banned_emails?
[01:08] <dive> juice, gstreamer is included in slack
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[01:08] <juice> too old of a package :P
[01:09] <juice> 13 has the one I need
[01:09] <juice> off to bed
[01:09] <juice> to get a bit more sleep than the past nights
[01:10] <fire|bird> night juice
[01:10] <antiwire> few more minutes still
[01:11] <hiptobecubic> antiwire, of what?
[01:11] <antiwire> of building
[01:11] <hiptobecubic> what are you trying now?
[01:11] <antiwire> I pulled all the new versions of the plugins and rebuilt to the version of gstreamer and base that you two have
[01:11] <hiptobecubic> ah
[01:11] <antiwire> well, that dive has at least
[01:12] <hiptobecubic> well i have 23 of base
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[01:12] <hiptobecubic> looks like the latest is 24... i should upgrade
[01:13] <antiwire> lol
[01:13] <hiptobecubic> :D
[01:15] <antiwire> What still gets me is why I can at least type and make robot noises to dive but I can't reach you at all
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[01:15] <antiwire> still 503
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[01:17] <Quiznos> damn cracker was trying to become an Administrater
[01:17] <hiptobecubic> i don't know
[01:17] <antiwire> Quiznos: Just let him know how you admin your systems and he'll go away
[01:18] <Quiznos> i lockd him out
[01:18] <antiwire> give him a honeypot
[01:18] <antiwire> then reverse him
[01:18] <antiwire> h4x his gibson
[01:19] <jgor> hack the planet!
[01:19] <Quiznos> heh
[01:19] <antiwire> brb
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[01:20] <Quiznos> who's not busy to ftp to me?
[01:20] <Quiznos> raise your bithand
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[01:21] <antiwire> it works!
[01:21] <jeev> what you need
[01:22] <hiptobecubic> !?!!?
[01:22] <jeev> want me to just put random ips ?
[01:22] <Quiznos> wtmp is missing!
[01:22] <jeev> i mean random user and passwords?
[01:22] <antiwire> dive and I are talking now
[01:22] <jeev> sorry i deleted it Quiznos
[01:22] <hiptobecubic> i'm building latest gstreamer /gst-plugins-base
[01:22] <dive> booyah
[01:22] <hiptobecubic> well shit
[01:22] <antiwire> haha
[01:22] <hiptobecubic> now i wish i had a working mic
[01:22] <hiptobecubic> i should load up gtalk and crash you both
[01:23] <dive> need to get a list to together of versions..
[01:23] <antiwire> so it seems like each end needs the save version of gstreamer as well as the plugins
[01:23] <antiwire> ok
[01:23] <antiwire> one sec
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[01:24] <dive> I'm going to add a list of packages that seem to work to my readme
[01:27] <Quiznos> found another log with cracker's IP
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[01:27] <antiwire> here are the versions I have http://pastebin.com/m2c3777be
[01:27] <Quiznos> heh, he's been trying to crack me for a couple of days!!!
[01:27] <hiptobecubic> dive, yeah try it
[01:27] <Quiznos> lol
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[01:28] <hiptobecubic> dive, maybe if everyone has the same everything ever
[01:28] <antiwire> hiptobecubic: try to IM me
[01:28] <hiptobecubic> antiwire, don't have your nick
[01:28] <Quiznos> 3608 lines of cracker lol
[01:28] <Quiznos> 4 days of attempts
[01:29] <Quiznos> damn that's persistent
[01:29] <Quiznos> lol
[01:29] <Quiznos> well; kudos to vsftpd
[01:29] <Rat409> no joy antiwire ?
[01:29] <Quiznos> that's impressive
[01:29] <antiwire> Rat409: I can talk to dive but hiptobecubic can't even IM me
[01:29] <Quiznos> 4 diff IPs
[01:29] <Quiznos> chk iptable logs for closed/blocked ports
[01:30] <Quiznos> what is assigned port for IM?
[01:30] <antiwire> Rat409: talk as in, dive and I can IM or voice with google talk in pidgin now
[01:30] <Rat409> wicked lag
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[01:30] <dive> I have two versions different
[01:30] <dive> gonna do ffmpeg
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[01:32] <Quiznos> cracker must be using some kind of sniffer or script to automate
[01:32] <dive> ffmoeg _would_ be for video though
[01:33] <antiwire> hiptobecubic: let's check settings just for the hell of it: http://i25.tinypic.com/2q8u5gp.png
[01:33] <antiwire> and on the main tab domain is gmail.com
[01:34] <antiwire> main/basic
[01:35] <hiptobecubic> yeah
[01:35] <hiptobecubic> ffmpeg won't build here
[01:35] <antiwire> hiptobecubic: does the build fail or does just the slackbuild cp fail?
[01:35] <hiptobecubic> oh i think it's just the cp
[01:35] <antiwire> I probably should have mentioned that oops
[01:35] <antiwire> dive:
[01:35] <antiwire> ^^
[01:36] <dive> ?
[01:36] <antiwire> the ffmpeg from SBo might die on a cp
[01:37] <antiwire> if you use the latest ffmpeg plugin tarball
[01:37] <dive> hmm
[01:37] <hiptobecubic> s/might/will/
[01:37] <antiwire> lol
[01:37] <dive> I'm using the version you have
[01:37] <antiwire> is it still building?
[01:37] <dive> yes
[01:37] <antiwire> :x
[01:38] <dive> CPU: 84 °C
[01:38] <hiptobecubic> yikes
[01:38] <dive> I'll make some toast
[01:38] <antiwire> hahaha
[01:38] <dive> ah right the html/docs
[01:38] <dive> ok
[01:38] <hiptobecubic> i just commented the line out...
[01:39] <hiptobecubic> who reads docs anyway
[01:39] <mancha> not enough people
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[01:40] <antiwire> how many people can be in an XMPP talk session at once?
[01:40] <dive> I think we are the first two EVER
[01:40] <dive> lol
[01:40] <antiwire> lmao
[01:40] <hiptobecubic>  :D
[01:40] <hiptobecubic> alright
[01:40] <sahko> is anyone familiar with amazon and able to help me make a purchase? im a virgin
[01:40] <hiptobecubic> gst-ffmpeg is installed
[01:41] <prodigal1> ummm, should I be worried that to my knowledge I have no processes accessing the internet and my wireless is downloading at 280k/s
[01:41] <antiwire> prodigal1: do you have encryption enabled on the wifi?
[01:41] <sahko> basically, if i add something to my cart, on top right, i will get it from amazon right? if i follow the 18 new from $30.00 i will get it from a seller?
[01:41] <prodigal1> oh, and my CPU is running at 100%....
[01:41] <mancha> prodigal, netstat -ta
[01:41] <hiptobecubic> prodigal1, what's using the cpu?
[01:41] <prodigal1> vi
[01:42] <mancha> if you have firefox running it might be dl'ing rss feeds or summit
[01:42] <dive> sahko, after you add to cart you have to go to checkout and confirm/putchase etc
[01:42] <hiptobecubic> ... vi?
[01:42] <prodigal1> vi is using 95 %
[01:42] <prodigal1> :|
[01:42] <sahko> dive: ok, but what i wrote above is right, right?
[01:42] <Quiznos> well hell the fool cracker rm'd my wtmp; was that necesa?
[01:42] <antiwire> dive just popped sahko's amazon cherry
[01:42] <sahko> haha
[01:42] <antiwire> Quiznos: they actually gained access?
[01:42] <dive> sahko, ah right yeah usually that goes from a private seller (used or new from)
[01:43] <prodigal1> what could vi be doing that is taking up my entire CPU?!?
[01:43] <sahko> dive: great, thank you
[01:43] <antiwire> prodigal1: becoming sentient
[01:43] <Quiznos> i'm not sure; they failed to get through vsftpd
[01:43] <dive> prodigal1, vi /usr/bin/vi
[01:43] <Quiznos> the other logs that mention cracker also show fail
[01:43] <mancha> try vi /dev/urandom
[01:43] <prodigal1> i killed it and everything is back to normal
[01:44] <dive> I was using that you insensitive clod!
[01:44] <prodigal1> lol
[01:44] <Rat409> antiwire: good answer!! lol
[01:44] <dive> if vi was emacs..
[01:45] <Quiznos> other dirs in log/ appear fine
[01:45] <dive> yes I could believe it
[01:45] <antiwire> hehe
[01:45] <hiptobecubic> oh hey!
[01:45] <dive> (emacs paperclip: 'oh hi, I see you're trying to edit some lisp code')
[01:46] <hiptobecubic> after i updated everything to the newest versions, a call from gtalk didn't crash pidgin
[01:46] <dive> hiptobecubic, don't talk to yourself though
[01:46] <prodigal1> WOOHOO! Done my desktop, gonna try show a picture to you guys
[01:47] <Quiznos> antiwire i duno if fool actualy rm'd wtmp; it was gone and shouldnt have been
[01:47] <hiptobecubic> yeah it didn't connect.
[01:47] <hiptobecubic> but it didn't crash!
[01:47] <dive> ok ffmpeg installed
[01:47] <dive> restartingf
[01:48] <antiwire> guys!
[01:49] <dive> the only thing is, I seem to have lost systray icon
[01:49] <dive> probably a docker problem...
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[01:49] <antiwire> we can test video by setting the gstreamer-properties to test pattern
[01:49] <Rat409> cool
[01:49] <dive> er how?
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[01:50] <antiwire> figuring it out right now
[01:50] <antiwire> doh
[01:50] <antiwire> gnome media package
[01:50] <Quiznos> i guess i should setup varlog emailing to root; what's the pkg for that?
[01:51] <antiwire> there has to be a different way
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[01:52] <prodigal1> another noob question if you please! how do I start and where to I place startup scripts??
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[01:53] <prodigal1> when I start KDE I should say
[01:53] <hiptobecubic> things that run at boot should go into /etc/rc.d/rc.local
[01:53] <prodigal1> or startx
[01:53] <dive> brb
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[01:53] <hiptobecubic> prodigal1, you want things that run when you startx?
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[01:54] <hiptobecubic> i think there is a script you put in your home folder. Can't recall what it is
[01:54] <prodigal1> hiptobecubic, haha yea, sorry I should have been more specific
[01:55] <mancha> .xinitrc
[01:55] <prodigal1> would it be /home/.kde/Autostart?
[01:55] <hiptobecubic> there you go
[01:55] <prodigal1> oooh okay
[01:55] <prodigal1> and just place it in there
[01:55] <mancha> DEs also have their own, but X runs .xinitrc
[01:55] <prodigal1> so I'd do something like sleep 30 conky -c conkyscript
[01:56] <prodigal1> right in there and it would probably work?
[01:56] <mancha> there's one sure-fire way to find out
[01:56] <prodigal1> trial and error
[01:56] <prodigal1> :D
[01:56] <prodigal1> dont seem to have an .xinitrc in my home dir
[01:57] <prodigal1> guess i'll make one
[01:57] <hiptobecubic> prodigal1, you haven't made it yet
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[02:00] <antiwire> dive:  do you have a cam?
[02:00] <dive> no :/
[02:00] <antiwire> I think  we can stream whatever we want as a feed
[02:00] <Rat409> prodigal1:  try (sleep 30 && conky -c pathtoscript) &
[02:00] <antiwire> I'm figuring it out: gst-launch
[02:00] <antiwire> that's the tool
[02:01] <Rat409> thats good for .xinitrc anyways
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[02:01] <prodigal1> in the parenthesis?
[02:01] Nick change: jaher_ -> jaher
[02:01] <Rat409> yes
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[02:01] <prodigal1> putting sleep 30 conky -c path wont suffice?
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[02:01] <Rat409> could try sleep 30 && conky -c path
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[02:02] <prodigal1> excuse me for asking, but what is the point of the &&?
[02:02] <mancha> you need to & it at least, unless conky daemonizes
[02:02] <mancha> the final &, that is
[02:02] <prodigal1> ooooh okay, gotcha
[02:02] <Rat409> its for running 2cmds 1 after other
[02:03] <mancha> the middle && is an if then construct  cmd1 && cmd2 means execute cmd 2 if cmd 1 returns w/o errr
[02:03] <Rat409> yuh
[02:04] <prodigal1> and the following & is to run them in bg correct?
[02:04] <mancha> to detach to bg yes
[02:04] <prodigal1> :) I'm getting it
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[02:04] <prodigal1> kk brb, gonna restart x
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[02:06] <Quiznos> morning Ken
[02:06] <Quiznos> alisonken1noc ken, you know the pkgname for sumarising varlog's and emailing to root?
[02:07] <alisonken1noc> yo Quiznos
[02:07] <alisonken1noc> not offhand
[02:07] <Quiznos> k
[02:07] <Quiznos> searching my archive/ but its slow going
[02:07] <alisonken1noc> but I would think it's part of logrotate
[02:07] <Quiznos> ty
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[02:10] <prodigal1> hey guys, while I had the .xinitrc file in my ~/ X wouldnt load
[02:10] <dive> this is what I have now: http://slackadelic.pastebin.com/f4f3a8949
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[02:11] <mancha> what DE or WM do you use prodigal
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[02:14] <shik4nt4z4> Hello!
[02:14] <dive> moring
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[02:16] <alisonken1noc> dive: at least it wasn't
[02:16] <alisonken1noc> "boring"
[02:16] <dive> true
[02:17] <dive> and it wasn't moaning
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[02:17] <prodigal1> mancha, I use KDE
[02:18] <alisonken1noc> Quiznos: man logrotate
[02:18] <Quiznos> ty
[02:18] <alisonken1noc> there's a config file in /etc/logrotate.d that you can add the option to gzip and email logs
[02:19] <mancha> cp /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.kde ~/.xinitrc then add your line to the end of that
[02:19] <Quiznos> ah that's it!!! tyvm
[02:19] <prodigal1> ooooh i see
[02:19] <alisonken1noc> from the sounds of it, you create a config file with the name of the file you want to rotate, and the line for the cron job can include the option for email
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[02:22] <Quiznos> alisonken1noc yea
[02:22] <Quiznos> munging now
[02:23] <alisonken1noc> my mistake - look at the example from 'man logrotate' and the setup in /etc/logrotate.d
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[02:24] <antiwire> ok nevermind on the test pattern..it needs a pidgin plugin and there isn't on yet
[02:24] <antiwire> one*
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[02:24] <Quiznos> alisonken1noc i'm on it.
[02:27] <dive> antiwire, ok
[02:28] <dive> where did hip go?
[02:28] <antiwire> I think he got into it with some #pidgin devs and left
[02:28] <antiwire> lol
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[02:29] <dive> :/
[02:29] <dive> I need more keys /goto 21 is getting boring
[02:31] <dive> antiwire, right now I'm in an argument with dev of ion3 about windows being better than linux: a corporate beast ...
[02:31] <antiwire> hahaha
[02:31] <Wescotte> Anyone know a way to determine the # of frames of a video file from command line via like mplayer/ffmpeg/mencoder or something similar?
[02:31] <antiwire> dive: does this work for you? gst-launch videotestsrc ! ximagesink
[02:31] <antiwire> you should get a test pattern
[02:31] <dive> antiwire, I really don't know if he's serious
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[02:32] <quasar> try ffmpeg -i <video> .. not sure if it does display the number of frames but it's worth a shot
[02:32] <mancha> itdoes
[02:32] <dive> antiwire, yeah
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[02:32] <antiwire> cool
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[02:32] <dive> but how to attach it to pidgin?
[02:32] <antiwire> at some point we will be able pipe gst-launch commands into pidgin
[02:32] <Wescotte> quasar: nah just the length in time.. which I may be able to use to calculate the # of frames with the frame rate too..
[02:33] <antiwire> one of the devs hinted that he will have a plugin for it soon
[02:33] <dive> Wescotte, yes! there's an unknown prog that ships with libdvdread that does that
[02:33] <dive> Wescotte, not sure if it works on files..
[02:33] <dive> one sec I have it I think
[02:34] <Wescotte> dive: cool thanks
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[02:34] <fire|bird> y0 slackytude
[02:34] <slackytude> morning
[02:34] <slackytude> y0 fire|bird
[02:34] <dive> Wescotte, http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/video/ <- title_info it's called
[02:34] <fire|bird> Rat409: alright, I'm on the latest pekwm now, that theme is SO much better than what was in .5 :P
[02:34] <fire|bird> slackytude: how goes?
[02:34] <dive> there's no package just copy it somewhere
[02:35] <dive> but it _may_ only work on dvd
[02:35] <dive> Wescotte, sorry man - getting late, it's only for dvd title info
[02:36] <dive> as the name would suggest
[02:36] <dive> moning fire|bird
[02:36] <fire|bird> morning dive, how are you?
[02:36] <slackytude> y0 dive
[02:36] <slackytude> fire|bird, could be worse
[02:36] <dive> tired... but elated!
[02:36] <dive> need more caffeine
[02:37] <slackytude> fire|bird, how is it on your end?
[02:37] <dive> hi slackytude
[02:37] Action: fire|bird gives dive a caffeine I.V.
[02:37] <fire|bird> slackytude: excellent, thanks.
[02:37] <dive> *crashhh*
[02:37] <Wescotte> dive: I'll try and calculate it... just adds an extra step is all..
[02:37] <Thom1> fire|bird, pekwm is your favourite wm ?
[02:37] <slackytude> can anyone recommend a rss reader?
[02:37] <dive> fire|bird, got a screenie of it?
[02:37] <slackytude> akkregator sucks
[02:37] <dive> slackytude, got one for irssi
[02:38] <fire|bird> Thom1: I've never really tried it much until now, otherwise I use KDE4 and fluxbox
[02:38] <Rat409> fire|bird: cool
[02:38] <dive> slackytude, any good?
[02:38] <fire|bird> dive: not yet, just got logged in to it, I don't even have a wallpaper set yet.
[02:38] <fire|bird> Rat409: I don't know what they were thinking with the .5 versions theme. :P
[02:38] <slackytude> dive, any good?
[02:38] <Thom1> fire|bird, I think pekwm is a very good wm with advantages of openbox and flubox (tabs)
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[02:39] <fire|bird> Thom1: yeah, I'll be giving it a shot and see what I think.
[02:39] <dive> slackytude, it seems to work ok, but slackware rss hasn't said much in a few days...
[02:39] <prodigal1> it would seem that my file doesnt work unfortunately
[02:39] <dive> out of the box it does /.
[02:39] <fire|bird> Thom1: I LOVE the tabs part.
[02:39] <Thom1> fire|bird, before I used fluxbox, but now it's only pekwm
[02:39] <Thom1> fire|bird, so do I
[02:39] <fire|bird> Thom1: cool, I am liking it so far.
[02:40] <Thom1> :)
[02:40] <dive> slackytude, http://www.freshdot.net/irssi-irssi-rss.shtml
[02:40] <slackytude> dive, ah ok. Im not really awake yet. still I need one to catch alarms send by monitoring software. no good in irssi
[02:40] <dive> ah
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[02:41] <fire|bird> Rat409, Thom1, know off hand what the default keybind is to open the run dialog box?
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[02:42] <Thom1> fire|bird, super+r I think
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[02:42] <fire|bird> Thom1: that brings up the menu of apps
[02:42] <Thom1> fire|bird, so super+d
[02:42] <fire|bird> but that's handy to know too. :P
[02:43] <fire|bird> Ah, there we go, thanks.
[02:43] <dive> fire|bird, hear the pidgin saga?
[02:44] <dive> antiwire and I spoke
[02:44] <fire|bird> dive: yeah, get anything working amongst you guys yet? I built 2.6.1 earlier today, I just didn't bother with the audio/video stuff because I don't use that stuff anyway.
[02:44] <dive> but hiptobecubic failed
[02:44] <fire|bird> Uh oh, claws-mail isn't working now. :(
[02:44] <dive> audio seems ok for some
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[02:45] <fire|bird> dive: but video doesn't work?
[02:45] <Quiznos> a tv commercial about sex
[02:45] <dive> well neither anti and I have webcams, hiptobecubic does but I just got a black box
[02:46] <Quiznos> animals mating
[02:46] <antiwire> I just don't have a camera to test with
[02:46] <dive> I wonder if I could set my mobile phone up as one?
[02:46] <fire|bird> dive: yeah, I don't have a cam either, I used to use my camcorder + TV Tuner card, but the TV Tuner card crapped out. :P
[02:46] <srecko1> when I run a script that has a dialogue, or when I start eg pkgtool. The dialogues have a green background color. Where this may change.
[02:47] <dive> srecko1, perhaps /etc/dialogrc
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[02:47] <dive> or terminal colours
[02:47] <fire|bird> dive: I've seen that some phones can do that, not sure about yours though, might be worth  a check.
[02:47] <dive> fire|bird, I think I might need to install the software but it's windows..
[02:47] <fire|bird> srecko1: Changing the colors in the terminal you use will change the pkgtool colors, otherwise you may check the file dive suggested.
[02:48] <fire|bird> dive: WINDOWS?!?!?! I have had ENOUGH of windows these past couple weeks. :P
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[02:48] <dive> lol
[02:48] <fire|bird> and you know why too. :P
[02:48] <Quiznos> well i dont know, tell me!? :)
[02:48] <Quiznos> o forgot
[02:48] <Quiznos> i
[02:49] <fire|bird> Quiznos: I've been trying to image my laptops hard drive to use in a VM, but have failed for the most part.
[02:49] <fire|bird> BSOD's mostly
[02:49] <Quiznos> oh right; did you try cat? :)
[02:49] <fire|bird> Quiznos: nah, been using dd and then VMware Converter once.
[02:49] <redtricycle> ridiculous...my brother's computer (windows) keeps crashing and for once, I have no idea how to fix it
[02:49] <Quiznos> ok
[02:49] <redtricycle> So tempted to throw slackware on it >_<
[02:49] <fire|bird> redtricycle: I do, install Slackware
[02:49] <fire|bird> that'll fix it for good
[02:50] <dive> I just plugged my phone in and this is dmesg: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/aevUFW61.html
[02:50] <superGear> install windows 7
[02:50] <dive> anyone know what that driver is for
[02:50] <Quiznos> replace the hd; it's been comtaminated
[02:50] <fire|bird> holy.....in pekwm, my windows are just disappearing.
[02:50] <fire|bird> I have this window open, but it isn't even showing the buddy list now
[02:50] <redtricycle> Quiznos: seriously?...I might.  I've reinstalled windows twice
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[02:50] <Quiznos> heh
[02:50] <redtricycle> I thought it was the vid card
[02:50] <antiwire> yeah that's a serial com driver
[02:50] <dive> I guess it's modem..
[02:50] <antiwire> yep
[02:50] <dive> not cam :/
[02:51] <Quiznos> well depends on how contaminated the hd is :)
[02:51] <superGear> no live cam shows of dive?
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[02:51] <fire|bird> Hmm, I start tint and that shows all the windows, that's odd.
[02:51] <fire|bird> superGear: nope, but for $100, he'll send an autographed photo.
[02:51] <Quiznos> s/of/from/g
[02:52] <superGear> why would i send 100 USD for something worth a penny?
[02:52] <Quiznos> ask your wife
[02:52] <fire|bird> haha
[02:52] <fire|bird> superGear: well, he's in the UK, that's $100 there. :)
[02:52] <prodigal1> someone mind taking a look at my new xinitrc file and maybe comment why it isnt working... http://gist.github.com/170882
[02:52] <superGear> fire|bird: why would i send 100 USD for something worth a penny?
[02:53] <fire|bird> superGear: I don't know, you don't have to. :P
[02:53] <superGear> fire|bird == wife
[02:53] <Quiznos> heh
[02:53] <dive> ...
[02:53] <fire|bird> WHAT THE.....
[02:53] <fire|bird> :P
[02:53] Action: dive shoots everyone in the ##
[02:53] <fire|bird> superGear: I thought your wife was missyjane.
[02:53] Action: fire|bird walks away
[02:53] <fire|bird> :)
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[02:54] <superGear> missyjane is an old fat dude!
[02:54] <superGear> j/k
[02:54] <Quiznos> lol
[02:54] <superGear> i don't know her that well
[02:54] <dive> +bearded
[02:54] <prodigal1> any takers?
[02:54] <slackytude> the lifera rss reader on sbo looks broken
[02:54] <dive> well that might be true
[02:54] <slackytude> http://pastebin.com/m75d85f1d
[02:54] <fire|bird> superGear: and fwiw, that $100 in GBP is $165 in USD.
[02:54] <Quiznos> well she's obv. not here to stomp on ya;;
[02:54] <Quiznos> yall
[02:54] <dive> prodigal1, what do you expect to happen?
[02:54] <superGear> I pay in USD only
[02:55] <superGear> dive will have to goto the bank himself
[02:55] <mancha> prodigal did X startup this time at least?
[02:55] <prodigal1> i want those two instances of conky and kmix to start up when X loads
[02:55] <prodigal1> mancha, yes, it started this time
[02:55] <dive> prodigal1, well try putting _before_ startkde
[02:55] <dive> .
[02:55] <prodigal1> mmkay
[02:55] <fire|bird> prodigal1: why two instances?
[02:56] <dive> two configs
[02:56] <fire|bird> There's a way to do that in one command that he could add to ~/.KDE/Autostart as a script
[02:56] <fire|bird> I can't remember the command now though
[02:56] <dive> yep
[02:56] <dive> just make a bash script in there
[02:57] <fire|bird> yup
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[02:57] <Rat409> well i'm out be well all.g'night
[02:57] <Quiznos> gn
[02:57] <fire|bird> night Rat409
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[02:57] <prodigal1> so just can the file be any name as long as the first line is !/bin/sh?
[02:57] <mancha> yes that is probably best, use the DE's setup for that
[02:58] <mancha> #!/bin/bash if you need a shebang
[02:58] <dive> Quiznos, nn
[02:58] <prodigal1> sheband?
[02:58] <prodigal1> shebang? lol
[02:58] <dive> oh
[02:58] <Quiznos> not me, rat.
[02:58] <dive> nn rat
[02:58] <dive> :)
[02:58] <fire|bird> prodigal1: yeah, pretty much, you could just name it conky_load. Make sure to make it executable as well.
[02:58] <Quiznos> alredy gone; man, keep up :)
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[02:58] <Quiznos> wow; meal was really spicy
[02:58] <Quiznos> phew
[02:58] <prodigal1> fire|bird, and how to make it executable?
[02:58] <dive> I was busy laughing at slackytude's pastebin
[02:58] <Quiznos> o
[02:59] <superGear> glad i'm not @ Quiznos's house
[02:59] <Quiznos> why?
[02:59] <superGear> it be smelly
[02:59] <fire|bird> prodigal1: chmod +x path/to/file/here
[02:59] <slackytude> -_-
[02:59] <Quiznos> nah; fire on the tung
[02:59] <spook> #!/bin/yes
[02:59] <Quiznos> not beans
[02:59] <superGear> spicy food == bad gas
[02:59] <The-Croupier> greetings
[02:59] <fire|bird> prodigal1: for example, chmod +x ~/.kde/Autostart/conky_load
[02:59] <Quiznos> no no no
[02:59] <prodigal1> fire|bird, i shoulda have known that
[03:00] <fire|bird> greetings The-Croupier
[03:00] <dive> moning The-Croupier
[03:00] <superGear> Good morning The-Croupier
[03:00] <The-Croupier> fire|bird, hows it going bro?
[03:00] <The-Croupier> dive, superGear, hi..hows you?
[03:00] <fire|bird> superGear: Nah, he probably too bean so there'll be no gas.
[03:00] <fire|bird> The-Croupier: going excellent, thanks. you?
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[03:01] <srecko1> fire|bird,  whether they can define other color except RED, BLUE, WHITE in dialogrc file
[03:01] <fire|bird> srecko1: I'm not sure what can be defined in that file, I've never worked with it.
[03:01] <fire|bird> dive: do you know?
[03:01] <The-Croupier> fire|bird, more quiet, fixed nearly all the technicals,...so looks like a quiet day today...so far..;)
[03:01] <Quiznos> wow thats aspicy; bland food is for babies
[03:02] <fire|bird> The-Croupier: cool
[03:02] <dive> well you have some basic colour setups you can play with
[03:02] <Quiznos> burns so go0d
[03:02] <The-Croupier> acidchild ping
[03:02] <dive> srecko1, if you need to adjust tones then you might to look into changing terminal colours
[03:02] <slackytude> morning The-Croupier
[03:03] <dive> srecko1, but that file will let you change the basic colouring
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[03:05] <dive> e
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[03:07] <dive> dumb phone should be a webcam :|
[03:08] <antiwire> lol
[03:08] <antiwire> I have the personality test of my 4 step interview process next
[03:09] <fire|bird> antiwire: Is that the one by phone? :P
[03:09] <fire|bird> dive: http://omploader.org/vMjZtNA
[03:09] <antiwire> yeah the phone part was interview 1
[03:09] <antiwire> i already did the in person 2 and 3
[03:10] <fire|bird> antiwire: ah, ok, it's went well then?
[03:10] <antiwire> #4 is in person personality test
[03:10] <antiwire> yeah seems so
[03:10] <fire|bird> cool, good luck. :)
[03:10] <antiwire> #5 is drug test
[03:10] <antiwire> lol
[03:10] <dive> FAIL
[03:10] <dive> lol
[03:11] <fire|bird> haha "Now sir, if you'll just go behind that curtain and fill this cup so we can conduct a drug test"
[03:11] <antiwire> They told me that it started with 20 and on the 3rd interview 4 were left
[03:11] <antiwire> Oh i'm clean for that
[03:11] <antiwire> no drugs here
[03:11] <fire|bird> antiwire: yeah, not even caffeine anymore
[03:11] <antiwire> seriously. don't even remind me
[03:11] <antiwire> ugh
[03:11] <fire|bird> sorry :P
[03:11] <antiwire> lol
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[03:12] <Quiznos> you're comfortable with the invasion of privacy?
[03:12] <antiwire> Sure
[03:12] <Quiznos> you're not driving a Mack truck, ya know.
[03:12] <Quiznos> well, maybe you could run amok;
[03:12] <Quiznos> DONT TWITCH
[03:12] <Quiznos> heh
[03:12] <antiwire> I will have a company car and I will be working on government networks...hence the drug test
[03:12] <Quiznos> leave your tells at home :)
[03:13] <Quiznos> yea, that's not the reason
[03:13] <Quiznos> they want your dna
[03:13] <antiwire> here we go
[03:13] <Quiznos> dont let them vaccinate you
[03:13] <Quiznos> what?!
[03:13] <Quiznos> i'm just sayin
[03:13] <Quiznos> heh
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[03:13] <superGear> tails
[03:13] <Quiznos> refuse the grain of rice in the hand
[03:13] <Quiznos> lol
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[03:14] <superGear> 2008 R2 runs pretty nice
[03:15] <superGear> MS should install their desktop OSes like their server OSes
[03:15] <superGear> pick what features you want to install and such
[03:16] <superGear> but that would make to much sense
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[03:18] <The-Croupier> slackytude, greetings
[03:18] <nix_chix0r> hihi
[03:18] <fire|bird> hey nix_chix0r, how's it going?
[03:18] <Quiznos> hey! that's my line!!!
[03:18] <Quiznos> bits off nix_chix0r
[03:18] <Quiznos> lol
[03:18] <fire|bird> Quiznos: your new line is "byebye" :D
[03:18] <fire|bird> take it or leave it
[03:18] <nix_chix0r> stroppy cow
[03:18] <The-Croupier> fire|bird, lol
[03:18] <Quiznos> nah
[03:19] <fire|bird> nix_chix0r: stroppy cow? :P
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[03:19] <nix_chix0r> i'm not entirely sure what it means but i had a button that said it from england
[03:20] <fire|bird> nix_chix0r: lol, dive might know then. :P
[03:20] <fire|bird> dive: what's stroppy cow?
[03:20] <antiwire> belligerent cow
[03:20] <dive> huh?
[03:20] <antiwire> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/stroppy
[03:20] <prodigal1> fire|bird, hey, last question before i hit the hay, promise
[03:21] <fire|bird> antiwire: so a cow waging war? :P
[03:21] <dive> argumentative woman
[03:21] <antiwire> lol
[03:21] <nix_chix0r> so it fits me
[03:21] <fire|bird> nix_chix0r: haha, yup
[03:21] <fire|bird> prodigal1: ok, what might the question be?
[03:22] <prodigal1> fire|bird, I created the executable in the Autostart folder, but it keeps popping up the file everytime i boot
[03:22] <fire|bird> dive: so in other words, women in general? :P
[03:22] <dive> mostly
[03:22] <fire|bird> prodigal1: Hmm, and you made it executable?
[03:23] <fire|bird> prodigal1: could you paste the script you made? a pastebin please though, like pastebin.slackadelic.com
[03:23] <The-Croupier> dive, mostly == all of them ;)
[03:23] <fire|bird> haha
[03:23] <prodigal1> fire|bird, do i need to include the #!/bin/bash with the hash included?
[03:23] <dive> yes
[03:23] <prodigal1> fire|bird, mine begins with !/bin/bash
[03:23] <antiwire> prodigal1: are you in kde4?
[03:24] <The-Croupier> prodigal1, ctrl+a, ctrl+c, ctrl+v  ;)
[03:24] <dive> should be #!
[03:24] <fire|bird> nix_chix0r: wow, belligerent fits you exactly: inclined to or exhibiting assertiveness, hostility, or combativeness :P
[03:24] <prodigal1> okay, gonna try that one more time
[03:24] Action: fire|bird runs before nix_chix0r gets hostile.
[03:24] <fire|bird> prodigal1: good luck. :)
[03:24] <prodigal1> I'm in KDE 3.5
[03:24] <nix_chix0r> fire|bird, it does:D
[03:24] <fire|bird> nix_chix0r: :)
[03:25] <prodigal1> antiwire, 3.5 not 4
[03:25] <antiwire> k
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[03:25] <The-Croupier> does it matter on scripts...what wm you are running? i thought it doesnt
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[03:26] <antiwire> If sure matters if you are using Autoastart that is DE dependent.
[03:26] <antiwire> If/It
[03:26] <The-Croupier> antiwire, ohh i see..
[03:26] <antiwire> KDE has settings to disable its own Autostart directories
[03:27] <fire|bird> dive: pekwm is sure nice, have you ever tried it?
[03:27] <dive> Microsoft® Windows®
[03:27] <dive> nope
[03:27] <dive> sorry I'm beginning to halucinate in type
[03:27] <fire|bird> dive: similar to flux, a better default theme though. Did you see my ss above?
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[03:28] <superGear> KDE 4 > KDE 3
[03:29] <pprkut> ++
[03:29] <fire|bird> superGear: ++
[03:29] <fire|bird> hey pprkut
[03:29] <slackytude> <3 xfce
[03:30] <pprkut> hey fire|bird
[03:30] <fire|bird> slackytude: have you tried kde4 at all?
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[03:30] <The-Croupier> flux is very configurable though...what does pekwm has more to offer? fire|bird
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[03:30] <slackytude> fire|bird, not yet
[03:31] <fire|bird> The-Croupier: not sure yet, just trying it tonight.
[03:31] <The-Croupier> fire|bird, ohh i seee
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[03:32] <slackytude> gawd
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[03:32] <slackytude> this day is slow
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[03:32] <dive> wth
[03:33] <slackytude> I feel like Ive been at work for hours and its just 9:35
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[03:34] <The-Croupier> slackytude, thats cos you know tomorrow its friday...and its the last day ;)
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[03:38] <The-Croupier> slackytude, you got coffee yet?
[03:38] Action: slackytude nods
[03:38] <slackytude> doesnt help
[03:38] <The-Croupier> slackytude, any receptionist near?
[03:38] <slackytude> yeah, why?
[03:38] <The-Croupier> m or f?
[03:39] <slackytude> f
[03:39] <The-Croupier> good looking?
[03:39] <slackytude> Id say so
[03:39] <Quiznos> lol
[03:39] <Quiznos> vicariousity is so interesting
[03:39] <The-Croupier> hit on her...for fun...it will make the time go really nice ;)
[03:40] <slackytude> she got married two weeks ago
[03:40] <The-Croupier> slackytude, read above: i never asked if she got any bf..etc... ;)
[03:41] <Quiznos> down here on a local tv station, they had a woman doing weather who had a body that was just ... i had impure thoughts LOL; found out she was moving on and was married;
[03:41] <The-Croupier> slackytude, do it for fun...not for real...talk to her...they always have nice friends ;)
[03:41] <Quiznos> i was numd
[03:41] <Quiznos> numd/stunned
[03:42] <Camarade_Tux> morning :)
[03:42] <dive> yo
[03:42] <The-Croupier> slackytude, getting married doesnt mean you stop playing/talking to ppl, making new friends...;)
[03:42] <The-Croupier> hiya Camarade_Tux
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[03:43] <The-Croupier> Camarade_Tux, ohhh...dont change your nick again... still remember that move ;)
[03:43] <Camarade_Tux> getting married is an absolute requirement if you want to betray your husband :D
[03:43] <a750mhzslinky> morning all
[03:43] <Camarade_Tux> The-Croupier: hahaha :P
[03:43] <dive> moning
[03:43] <Camarade_Tux> yo a750mhzslinky
[03:44] <powtrix> does pidgin 2.6.1 will be update
[03:44] <powtrix> ?
[03:44] <The-Croupier> Camarade_Tux, what do you mean? :)
[03:44] <antiwire> powtrix: 2.6.1 isn't exactly production level yet
[03:44] <Camarade_Tux> me? nothing? :D
[03:44] <antiwire> even the guys in #pidgin have noted that
[03:44] Nick change: Camarade_Tux -> C_Tux
[03:45] <dive> oh god, not C-T and T-C again??
[03:45] <powtrix> not? at the page it says 2.6.1
[03:45] <dive> it's too early for that
[03:45] <C_Tux> well, they got 2.6.1 faster than mozilla got 3.0.1 :D
[03:45] <antiwire> powtrix: I said 2.6.1 is not exactly production level yet
[03:45] <dive> powtrix, yes it is available to download and install
[03:45] <C_Tux> dive: :)
[03:45] <dive> but it won't be added
[03:45] Action: antiwire cries
[03:46] <powtrix> a bit nag asked me to update it heh
[03:46] <dive> bit nag?
[03:46] <antiwire> what's a bit nag?
[03:46] <dive> small horse?
[03:46] <antiwire> lol
[03:46] <C_Tux> oh, there is a pidgin update to slackware-current :P
[03:46] <dive> yeah security fix
[03:46] <C_Tux> I was trying to fool someone into thinking it wasn't :D
[03:47] Nick change: C_Tux -> Camarade_Tux
[03:47] <Camarade_Tux>  :)
[03:47] Action: The-Croupier ignores C_Tux, who is that
[03:47] <The-Croupier> lol, got me :(
[03:47] <Camarade_Tux>  ^^
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[03:48] <fire|bird> I'm looking at cooling pads for the laptop (it's not having heat issues anymore), but anyway, I see some that are completely enclosed and others that are open on the bottom, is there one that's better than the other? enclosed or not enclosed?
[03:48] <fire|bird> y0 Camarade_Tux
[03:48] <The-Croupier> guys, is there any shell, requirement: no installations, no livecd, no usb, that i could use while using windows at work, in a window-shell
[03:49] <antiwire> no
[03:49] <The-Croupier> been trying lots..but they require various other installations to work..:(
[03:49] <superGear> powershell
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[03:49] <antiwire> you're going to have to do *something* to install the tool
[03:49] <dive> no cd, usb, or install. Doesn't leave much.
[03:50] <The-Croupier> i could install one thing...not lots
[03:50] <antiwire> you need a local linux/unix type shell or a remote shell?
[03:50] <The-Croupier> one program, one standalone shell...but not various other libs,and other stuff
[03:50] <The-Croupier> antiwire, cannot do that either..i remember that
[03:50] <antiwire> wait what?
[03:50] <The-Croupier> i need something local, on this pc
[03:50] <antiwire> ok
[03:51] <prodigal1> thank you to everyone who helped me last night and tonight, I really appreciate it
[03:51] <dive> a windows shell or nix?
[03:51] <antiwire> what type of shell?
[03:51] <antiwire> damn it dive
[03:51] <The-Croupier> unix shell
[03:51] <prodigal1> finally got everything working the way i want it to
[03:51] <antiwire> I'm echoing you
[03:51] <superGear> cmd.exe
[03:51] <antiwire> The only one that comes to mind is a manual install of cygwin
[03:51] <dive> I used to use mingw I think, years ago
[03:51] <The-Croupier> cmd.exe.. is not a unix shell
[03:51] <superGear> cygwin
[03:51] <antiwire> seriously this is like asking for a car without the car part
[03:52] <The-Croupier> cygwin, is the one i installed then you need a shell...etc
[03:52] <dive> cygwin is good but you will have to uninclude loads of stuff if you don't want a large install
[03:52] <superGear> format C:
[03:52] <The-Croupier> antiwire, i understand... hmmm...ill see what i can do
[03:52] <dive> I put it on a usb stick
[03:52] <superGear> install slackware
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[03:52] <superGear> dive: no usb,cd, install
[03:53] <dive> yeah I know, I was just saying...
[03:53] <antiwire> why though? what demands those three requirements?
[03:53] <Camarade_Tux> yoyo fire|bird
[03:53] <superGear> probably not allowed
[03:53] <pprkut> work, I guess
[03:53] <The-Croupier> antiwire, its a work laptop, i cannot start slackware..i got it in usb, cd...etc
[03:54] <Camarade_Tux> The-Croupier: msys? but it's not perfect
[03:54] Action: The-Croupier is banned on using any linux/unix like OS at work
[03:54] <superGear> why?
[03:54] <The-Croupier> superGear, long story
[03:54] <superGear> you work @ MS?
[03:54] <antiwire> superGear: probably not allowed?
[03:54] <antiwire> ....
[03:54] <The-Croupier> superGear, long story
[03:54] <Camarade_Tux> The-Croupier: just use haiku :D
[03:54] <dive> we have time
[03:54] <pprkut> The-Croupier: that you get for using wireshark on the network :P
[03:54] <The-Croupier> dive, you know..i told you guys when it was happening
[03:54] <Camarade_Tux> we want a story, we want a story, we want a story!
[03:54] <superGear> install OS X
[03:55] <The-Croupier> pprkut, wonderful memory ;)
[03:55] <dive> The-Croupier, I forgot
[03:55] Action: The-Croupier congrats pprkut
[03:55] <dive> ooops
[03:55] <pprkut> :D
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[03:55] <superGear> what's wireshark?
[03:55] <The-Croupier> google
[03:55] <Camarade_Tux> ethereal
[03:55] <superGear> no
[03:55] <antiwire> you got caught packet sniffing and they removed your privileges?
[03:55] <antiwire> lol
[03:56] <Camarade_Tux> network "sniffer"
[03:56] <The-Croupier> superGear, its the google of networks
[03:56] <dive> why would you use it on a company network?
[03:56] <The-Croupier> dive, they told me to
[03:56] <superGear> he's not wise
[03:56] <dive> o0
[03:56] <Camarade_Tux> The-Croupier: bah, you can use wireshark on windows too, and it maybe even works better :D
[03:56] <antiwire> if they told you to why did they ban you?
[03:56] <superGear> they told you to and now u r banned?
[03:56] <antiwire> works better on windows my ass
[03:56] <The-Croupier> hierarchy: boss, manager, me (technician)
[03:57] <The-Croupier> manager told me the boss was ok with it...
[03:57] <superGear> talk to the boss
[03:57] <antiwire> your boss doesn't know the first part of the art of war.
[03:57] <antiwire> you do not punish the troops for the failure of a commander.
[03:57] <The-Croupier> superGear, and say what.... oh look i run wireshark while everyone was making transactions with 7/10 of your ccards... and emails accounts..and i have them all in my laptop?
[03:58] <superGear> tell him your manager told you to
[03:58] <superGear> which would be the truth
[03:58] <antiwire> you saved the dumps too?
[03:58] <antiwire> good lord
[03:58] <pprkut> The-Croupier: but you don't have any valuable data because it was of course all encrypted ;)
[03:58] <The-Croupier> antiwire, he trusts me alot more now.. manager doesnt exist anymore
[03:58] <Camarade_Tux> antiwire: I think I had promiscuous mode when I didn't on linux, but that's a network card thing (and that was years ago)
[03:58] <The-Croupier> antiwire, of course not
[03:58] <The-Croupier> but i cannot proove it
[03:59] <Camarade_Tux> use linux mint, it'll look like windows :D
[04:00] <Camarade_Tux> (or hannah montana linux, nobody will look at your screen with such colors :D )
[04:00] <superGear> use FreeBSD!
[04:00] <superGear> they said no linux
[04:00] <dive> WinBSD
[04:00] <superGear> nothin about BSD
[04:00] <pprkut> The-Croupier: just an idea, virtualbox in seamless mode?
[04:00] <antiwire> The-Croupier: what was the reason for using Wireshark in the first place?
[04:01] <superGear> to get ccards and emails
[04:01] <superGear> or whatever
[04:02] <antiwire> a valid reason is "to trouble shoot a protocol issue" not "to farm gold"
[04:02] <The-Croupier> antiwire, some stupid student/employee/someone was occupying the network alot ( watching porn) so the boss wanted to see what was being used and who it was
[04:02] <dive> I don't understand why they banned linux for using one tool. Why not just say ban use of the tool?
[04:03] <antiwire> you could have setup a capture filter
[04:03] <The-Croupier> dive, people are afraid of things they dont know...see god
[04:03] <superGear> cause they don't knw that it's on windows too
[04:03] <superGear> God?
[04:03] <superGear> people are afraid of me?
[04:03] <The-Croupier> antiwire, i didnt keep anything, and he said do whatever it takes..so first thing in mind was wireshark
[04:03] <The-Croupier> and iftop
[04:04] <The-Croupier> iptraff
[04:04] <The-Croupier> you know the rest
[04:04] <Camarade_Tux> last time I used wireshark, I got scared of what was going through, I was reading the whole encrypted network (that I was part of) that easy, *everything*
[04:04] <The-Croupier> it pc number 24, in the second floor, shutdown -h now
[04:04] <The-Croupier> brb
[04:04] <Camarade_Tux> now, I use ssh :D
[04:04] <superGear> let ppl watch porn while they work!
[04:04] <antiwire> The-Croupier: The problem is that their reasoning is flawed. Did you explain to them that just banning a tool doesn't make the traffic secure and that if they are so worried about it an encryption scheme should be implemented?
[04:05] <dive> ah well.
[04:05] <antiwire> Camarade_Tux: What type of network was it? you weren't reading a properly encrypted network.
[04:06] <slackytude> wireshark wont decrypt stuff. if it was encrypted traffic, payload should be unreadable for you
[04:06] <antiwire> A network using ipsec isn't going to be readable. you'll only be able to get your own traffic. Wireless networks that don't use PKI and instead use shared keys (wep/wpa1,2) are certainly vulnerable to sniffing by anyone who has the shared key.
[04:06] <Camarade_Tux> antiwire: home network, probably wep at the time, but it was enough to scare me, I got the whole wireless transfer
[04:06] <Camarade_Tux> (again, I was connected to the network myself)
[04:07] <antiwire> yeah well it was only some crappy shared key
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[04:07] <antiwire> that's the whole reason behind EAP on wireless networks
[04:08] <Camarade_Tux> antiwire: sure but most networks are like that (even business ones)
[04:08] <slackytude> heh
[04:08] <slackytude> all we got is MAC filters and hidden SSID
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[04:08] <antiwire> I laugh at companies running shared key encryption only
[04:09] <antiwire> that's hilarious
[04:09] <lf4> oh my gosh slackytude Thats impossible to get on your net wrok ;)
[04:09] <slackytude> I know I know
[04:09] <antiwire> hidden SSID is even funnier
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[04:09] <Quiznos> The-Croupier wow; people are morons :)
[04:09] <slackytude> they dont listen and I dont care anymore
[04:09] <antiwire> the protocol itself stipulates that clients send the SSID out
[04:09] <antiwire> lol
[04:09] <lf4> lol you sound like me... I use to point out so many holes but they never cared.
[04:09] <antiwire> there is no way to hide a SSID
[04:09] <Quiznos> as was said, 'ppl are sqeerd of what they dont know.'  unbelievers i'm sure.
[04:10] <slackytude> antiwire, well, its a router option
[04:10] <Quiznos> irrational ph34r
[04:10] <slackytude> antiwire, and on connect you have to enter SSID
[04:10] <antiwire> slackytude: I know,it's just silly
[04:10] <lf4> Any one running openbox for their system?
[04:10] <slackytude> antiwire, probably hidden is too strong a word, not broadcasted
[04:10] <Quiznos> unrevealed
[04:10] <Quiznos> encryptd
[04:10] <LSD`> ssid was never meant as a secrity thing, hiding it achieves nothing
[04:10] <slackytude> I know, I know
[04:10] <antiwire> If SSID cloak is on all you need to do is wait for a client to reassociate and the SSID is sent in plaintext
[04:11] <antiwire> it's never hidden anyway
[04:11] <Camarade_Tux> hidden ssid is just annoying the people who are actually allowed to connect ><
[04:11] <Camarade_Tux> lf4: me
[04:11] <slackytude> ha, but Ive got a MAC filter, I have, ha!
[04:11] <antiwire> lol
[04:11] <Quiznos> lf4 consensus reached, "no"
[04:11] <Quiznos> heh
[04:11] <antiwire> right now my MAC really is 13:37:13:37:13:37
[04:11] <lf4> Quiznos: fail! lol
[04:12] <Quiznos> nods
[04:12] <antiwire> I kid you not.
[04:12] <lf4> Camarade_Tux: How do you like it?
[04:12] <dchmelik> 'Now, suppose we wanted to make a ring of quarks in a perfect circle that surrounded the entire Universe, and we wanted to know the exact length of the quark string needed to make this ring.... we could never need to know more precisely than Pi to about the 50th digit'--http://everything2.com/title/Too%2520small%2520a%2520Universe%2520to%2520memorize%2520Pi
[04:12] <Quiznos> there are NO circles in space;
[04:12] <Quiznos> asymtotic lines or elipsii
[04:12] <dchmelik> that article was about even if the universe is an ellipse
[04:13] <dive> Quiznos, only the circle of friendship e
[04:13] <antiwire> lol
[04:13] <Quiznos> not even then
[04:13] <dive> </smark>
[04:13] Action: lf4 draws a circle and sends it in a rocket.
[04:13] <Quiznos> everyone is alil tilted
[04:13] <lf4> Now there is a circle in space
[04:13] <slackytude> Quiznos, to be fair, the circle was outside of the universe
[04:13] <Quiznos> cant be
[04:13] <slackytude> how do you know?
[04:13] <Quiznos> we cannot describe/define outside.
[04:13] <Quiznos> we have no means to know what is outside, where God is.
[04:13] <lf4> O <---- circle
[04:14] <Quiznos> pff
[04:14] <Shrp_> ...
[04:14] <dive> °
[04:14] Action: agentc0re cannot sleep...
[04:14] <agentc0re> gah.
[04:14] <Quiznos> try a circle
[04:14] <agentc0re> i hate this, i am wide awake.
[04:14] <Camarade_Tux> lf4: pretty nice, ligthweight, not dumb... :)
[04:14] <lf4> agentc0re: What are you doing up still go to bed. lol
[04:14] <agentc0re> lf4: LOL you are in the same state as me... you go to bed! :P
[04:14] <slackytude> agentc0re, still having insomnia?
[04:14] <Quiznos> i'm waiting for caffeine to metabolise
[04:14] <lf4> Camarade_Tux: How is the support for applications that are based of other WM's like KDE/Gnome?
[04:15] <lf4> agentc0re: i'm at work lol I would love to go to bed though.
[04:15] <slackytude> yeah
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[04:15] <slackytude> Id like to as well
[04:15] <Camarade_Tux> lf4: that, I don't know :D
[04:15] <slackytude> and its 10:17 am
[04:15] <slackytude> could use some sleep
[04:15] <lf4> Camarade_Tux: haha alright :) maybe I'll give it a try but it looks a lot like fluxbox.
[04:15] <Camarade_Tux> lf4: but on #openbox (oftc), there are several people using openbox with gnome so it's probably pretty good
[04:15] <slackytude> gah, still 7 hours to go
[04:15] <slackytude> someone shoot me
[04:16] <agentc0re> slackytude: Well the problem is, is that i am a narcoleptic.  They just gave me some new, different meds.  They are working a lot better at keeping me awake.. obviously..
[04:16] <Quiznos> bang
[04:16] <agentc0re> time on deck.. 2:13am
[04:16] <Quiznos> -> Flag
[04:16] Action: lf4 stabs slackytude 
[04:16] <slackytude> agentc0re, eh, how sucky
[04:16] <lf4> oh fail not a shot
[04:16] <slackytude> ^-^
[04:16] <Camarade_Tux> lf4: well, it's a *box but I find it looks better than fluxbox (but I've always thought fluxbox was horrible :D )
[04:16] <dive> antiwire, a thought: is it possible to pipe that testvideo to whichever node is usually used by a webcam?
[04:16] <Quiznos> dive via nbd?
[04:16] <Camarade_Tux> 10:18am here, and not working :)
[04:16] <Quiznos> ndb?
[04:16] <lf4> Camarade_Tux: haha alright :)
[04:16] <Camarade_Tux> network block device?
[04:16] <dive> Quiznos, no idea
[04:17] <Quiznos> yes
[04:17] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, of course you are not working
[04:17] <agentc0re> did you guys get the new pidgin to work with video and audio?
[04:17] <dive> audio
[04:17] <slackytude> lazy french dude, you
[04:17] <dive> video not yet
[04:17] <dive> that's what the next step we're trying to figure out is
[04:17] <agentc0re> wouldn't compile or no one had a webcam except missyjane?
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[04:18] <slackytude> agentc0re, heh
[04:18] <agentc0re> :D
[04:18] <dive> only hiptobecupic had a webcam and he got pissed at some pidgin devs and /quit
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[04:18] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: another batch of exams next week ><
[04:18] <antiwire> lol
[04:19] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, eh, why that?
[04:19] <Camarade_Tux> actually it's the ones I failed two months ago ><
[04:19] <agentc0re> dive: lmao
[04:20] <agentc0re> actually that would be, lmao --quite.  don't wanna wake the wife. :/
[04:20] <lf4> lol
[04:21] <dive> well if anyone else wants to try: http://www.unrealize.co.uk/slackbuilds the README has a list of the packages, some of which I have and some you can get SB from SBo and edit to latest source
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[04:21] <antiwire> then you can call me or dive and cyber
[04:21] <antiwire> it will be fun
[04:21] <agentc0re> sweet.. i'm DL now.
[04:21] <dive> ugh http://www.unrealize.co.uk/slackbuilds/12.2/pidgin-2.6.1
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[04:22] <fire|bird> Well, later guys. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening}. Take care.
[04:22] Action: lf4 set up us the bomb.
[04:22] <lf4> later fire|bird
[04:22] <dive> cya fire|bird
[04:22] <fire|bird> later lf4
[04:22] <fire|bird> cya dive
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[04:24] <antiwire> does anyone else who is running pidgin 2.6.1 see random italicized nicks now?
[04:24] <agentc0re> is it when they do a /me ?
[04:24] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, ah I see
[04:24] <slackytude> random italian chicks?
[04:24] <antiwire> fire|bird was just italic for me
[04:24] <dive> antiwire, dunno I'm using a silly font atm
[04:24] <slackytude> oh, random italicized nicks
[04:25] <antiwire> i wish I had a problem with random itialian chicks
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[04:25] <slackytude> heh, me too
[04:25] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: lol :P
[04:26] <Camarade_Tux> italian chicks randomly popping on your screen :)
[04:26] <Camarade_Tux> wait a minute, you're using virtuagirls? :D
[04:26] <woody1> nicks look ok to me
[04:26] <woody1> where are the italian girls?
[04:26] <agentc0re> antiwire: for his chat or when he left?
[04:27] <nix_chix0r> slackytude, http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/6127/oliversweetpotatoes.jpg
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[04:29] <agentc0re> dive: do i need to get all the prereq's from you or can i get some from sbo too?
[04:29] <slackytude> nix_chix0r, I was hoping for a random italian chick but that is nice as well
[04:29] <agentc0re> dive: not sure if you've made changes to the buildscripts.
[04:30] <dive> agentc0re, a but of both at the moment
[04:30] <nix_chix0r> i just fed him his first baby food and was diggin it
[04:30] <dive> s/but/bit
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[04:31] <dive> agentc0re, for the ones I don't have slackbuilds for, grab the slackbuilds from SBo and get the source as listed version in readme on my site, edit slackbuild etc.
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[04:31] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: here you go: random italian chicks as given by google: http://www.theperogypile.com/images/2008/04/23/old_italian_women_2.jpg
[04:31] <dive> agentc0re, oh you might need add libdir stuff for x86_64 too
[04:32] <dive> for the SBo ones
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[04:32] <dive> I will make some slackbuilds for the others at some point today, but right now I need a break from compiling crap >.<
[04:33] <dive> Camarade_Tux, sexeh!!
[04:33] <agentc0re> so ffmpeg is not required?
[04:33] <Camarade_Tux> dive: yeah :)
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[04:34] <antiwire> agentc0re: nope
[04:34] <Camarade_Tux> agentc0re: for what?
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[04:34] <dive> agentc0re, I was told gst-ffmpeg had its own ffmpeg so maybe not
[04:34] <yskapell> Goodmorning guys
[04:34] <yskapell> how are you? I hope fine
[04:34] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, iirc you don't need ffmpeg for gst
[04:34] <dive> oh and we aren't exactly sure that gst-ffmpeg is needed but can't hurt ;-)
[04:34] <yskapell> How can I create txz slackware files from the source?
[04:34] <Camarade_Tux> hmm, hmm, hmmmmm
[04:34] <Camarade_Tux> isn't gst-ffmpeg only an interface or something like that?
[04:35] <agentc0re> interesting..
[04:35] <dive> Camarade_Tux, no idea, but we were having video problems and ffmpeg is for video so..
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[04:35] <antiwire> you'll want gst-ffmpeg if you want to play with gstreamer a bit more later on and it sounds to me like the pidgin devs will be making plugins to do that soon
[04:36] <Leeds> so... I'm on a system which is identifying itself as 12.2 (in /etc/slackware-version) but which I'm pretty sure is a random slackware-current snapshot... I'd like to upgrade it to current current... any advice on how?
[04:36] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: (nsfw) http://www.philknowsbest.com/2008/07/sara-varone-is-sexy-italian-chick.html
[04:36] <Camarade_Tux> dive: had gst-plugins-good?
[04:37] <dive> Camarade_Tux, good, bad and ugly
[04:37] <Camarade_Tux> ugly is really ugly :D  (I'd stay away from them if possible)
[04:37] <Camarade_Tux> brb, breakfast
[04:37] <Camarade_Tux>  :D
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[04:39] <dive> yskapell, makepkg in -current
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[04:40] <dive> yskapell, plus xz
[04:41] <yskapell> dive I will check it out
[04:43] <dive> Leeds, do you have xz package installed?
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[04:43] <Leeds> dive: doesn't look like it, no
[04:43] <dive> uname -r
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[04:44] <Leeds> 2.6.28.7-smp
[04:45] <agentc0re> Camarade_Tux: EH, i would say it's safe.
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[04:47] <dive> well the current current as you may know changed package formats some time ago to txz. That makes things a little trickier. You will need to install xz and pkgtools from -current first. Then the method is up to you - some people rsync current to a local directory and upgradepkg everything. Some people (me for one) use slackpkg to upgrade.
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[04:47] <Srbo> good morning :)
[04:48] <Camarade_Tux> agentc0re: you never know, someone might complain ;)
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[04:48] <dive> have you ever upgraded to current either of those ways before Leeds ?
[04:48] <dive> if you have some idea if will make it easier
[04:48] <Leeds> dive: nah, I tend to just reinstall every couple of releases, and build stuff by hand in the meantime
[04:49] <Leeds> I might hold off until 13.0 is released and reinstall then... :)
[04:50] <dive> yeah it shouldn't be too long hopefully. I have one box with current to play with, but sticking to 12.2 until 13 is released on production stuff.
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[04:50] <dive> s/on/for
[04:51] <Leeds> I've got last week's -current on my home machine, and it seems fine - except that I don't really like KDE - but this is for my work machine
[04:52] <Leeds> there's a problem at the moment with firefox 3.5.2 - it gets an X error and crashes a couple of times a day
[04:52] <dive> hmm
[04:52] <dive> not had anything like that
[04:52] <dive> but I'm runnin 3.5 on 12.2
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[04:53] <Leeds> it's a Dell machine, and I had to fiddle a bit to get the Intel graphics working right, so I sort of hope a slightly newer release, with slightly newer drivers, would be better
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[04:54] <powtrix> Camarade_Tux, http://bayimg.com/IADkEaACf
[04:55] <powtrix> nice @@
[04:55] <Srbo> Leeds: for which slackware version you had problems with the intel driver? im using a dell, too
[04:55] <dive> Leeds, seen the thread on lq.org about intel in -current?
[04:55] <Leeds> Srbo: it's a slightly random post 12.2 -current
[04:55] <Leeds> dive: nope, I don't read it... I'll have a look
[04:56] <Srbo> updating right now to current :)
[04:56] <Leeds> ran on intel at home for a few days, then got a new radeon, which is working great, at least in 2d
[04:59] <ccfreak2k> Leeds, there are cases where Firefox crashes X on my box.
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[04:59] <powtrix> Xbox360
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[04:59] <Leeds> ccfreak2k: X itself is rock solid, it's just firefox which crashes for me
[05:02] <geoff_k> i find firefox disappears on me sometimes 12.0, not sure if flash plugin is part of the issue. I have had X crash a few times but pretty sure thats a hardware issue in my case.
[05:03] <geoff_k> system tends to collect a lot of dust
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[05:09] <yskapell> how can I specify a folder with makepkg in order to install the files in thar folder??? For example /usr/local/bin
[05:10] <ccfreak2k> You mean $PREFIX?
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[05:15] <Camarade_Tux> powtrix: holly crap! :)
[05:16] <yskapell> $PREFIX I have to specify in makepkg?
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[05:16] <missyjane> hi
[05:16] <lf4> hey missyjane
[05:16] <Camarade_Tux> morning missyjane :)
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[05:18] <slackytude> hey missyjane
[05:18] <slackytude> how was your adventure in ##windows?
[05:18] <slackytude> slayed your enemies?
[05:18] <missyjane> yes
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[05:18] <slackytude> fine ^-^
[05:19] <missyjane> :) she is now a whore slackytude Camarade_Tux im so nervous, my test comes in about 5 hours, i hope i do well on my placement test for college
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[05:20] <Camarade_Tux> I hope too, good luck :)
[05:20] <agentc0re> who is a whore?
[05:20] <missyjane> some woman in #windows >:)
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[05:22] <missyjane> ive never been to college, hope its nice
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[05:23] <The-Croupier> you old enough for one? :)
[05:23] <agentc0re> lol
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[05:23] <missyjane> The-Croupier, im 22
[05:23] <agentc0re> what are you wanting to take at college?
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[05:24] <missyjane> well im taking something related to math
[05:24] <missyjane> im deciding between compsci and cis
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[05:24] <The-Croupier> missyjane, i dont think its good idea to say how old you are in this channel...last time we had some psycho-problems with some old guys here
[05:24] <agentc0re> CS = computer science right?  what is CIS?
[05:24] <missyjane> The-Croupier, im not worried, been around freenode for a few years
[05:24] <missyjane> agentc0re, yep, and cis is computer information system
[05:24] <agentc0re> what is the difference?
[05:25] <missyjane> well
[05:25] <missyjane> from what im told, computer science is more theoretical work, so youll have more math involved whereas cis is more practical, something you can use everyday
[05:25] <missyjane> so a compsci might work at nasa for research and development whereas cis might work at nsa for national security
[05:26] <Leeds> I think that's the sort of thing which differs more by college - it's not a firm definition
[05:26] <missyjane> Leeds, true
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[05:26] <missyjane> but thats a general definition
[05:26] <agentc0re> Is your current job related to IT/IS?
[05:26] <missyjane> agentc0re, i dont work :( never had a job
[05:26] <agentc0re> wow..
[05:26] <missyjane> but the counselor said they will guarantee me a job when i graduate
[05:27] <agentc0re> I've worked since i was 12.  I'm 27 and already qualify for Social Security. :P
[05:27] <missyjane> wow
[05:27] <missyjane> where do you live?
[05:27] <agentc0re> Utah.
[05:27] <agentc0re> kick it with lf4.
[05:27] <missyjane> dang
[05:28] <lf4> yeah agentc0re :) UT rock :)
[05:28] <agentc0re> haha
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[05:28] <agentc0re> lf4: I forgot to ask you, are you a drinker?  do you partake in the Spirits?
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[05:29] <lf4> agentc0re: Haha no I don't many of my co-workers do though. They hang out at the repub.
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[05:29] <agentc0re> lf4: Ah, fair enough.
[05:30] <agentc0re> lf4: Oh, you should go skydiving before the season is over! :P
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[05:30] <lf4> adding to the talk abot degrees CS= more computer programming, CE= Hardware development, CIT= networking/security, CIS= Computer business managment.
[05:30] <slackytude> missyjane, there is no job guarantee
[05:30] <lf4> agentc0re: I would love to do that. Do you know a place here that is good?
[05:31] <agentc0re> lf4: Where i go! :P  Skydiveutah.com.  It's in Toolee.
[05:31] <missyjane> slackytude, they said they would guarantee me one :|
[05:31] <missyjane> lf4, hm... interesting, whats business management?
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[05:31] <lf4> I'll check it out :) How many times do you have to go tandem before you can do solo?
[05:32] <missyjane> what does cit stand for? ce?
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[05:32] <lf4> missyjane: They are the ones that are inbetween IT and business men lol I say "translators" lol
[05:32] <agentc0re> so CS=Dev, CE=engineer, CIT=Sys/Net admin and CIS=(worst of them all) The one that manages all of those types of people but doesn't know jack shit..
[05:32] <lf4> CIT = Computer Information Tech.
[05:32] <missyjane> oh
[05:32] <lf4> agentc0re: Yeah CS= Soft Dev(programmers)
[05:33] <agentc0re> lf4: two tandems before first solo.  solo requires AAF course.  It's on their page.  I go almost every weekend.
[05:33] <missyjane> agentc0re, oh cmon :( youre making me feel bad about my major now
[05:33] <Camarade_Tux> log2 ftw! \o/
[05:33] <lf4> haha Camarade_Tux What?
[05:33] <lf4> agentc0re: Cool I'll look in to it when does the season end?
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[05:34] <agentc0re> lf4: Well maybe in a month or two but the colder it gets, the less encouraging and fun it would be for a first time.
[05:34] <agentc0re> IMO anyways.
[05:34] <Camarade_Tux> lf4: log2, the one such that log2(1024)=10, the thing in computing that makes you come when you encounter it, the graal of computing :)
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[05:34] <Camarade_Tux> (and /me was talking about git-bisect a few seconds ago)
[05:34] <lf4> haha Camarade_Tux ahh I see
[05:35] <Camarade_Tux> git-bisect: take 15000 commits, find the faulty one within 14 steps :)
[05:35] <lf4> agentc0re: Ok sounds cool lol I might have to try it next year. :)
[05:35] <missyjane> are cis people really that bad? :(
[05:36] <agentc0re> missyjane: i hate IT/IS managers.
[05:36] <lf4> missyjane: lol it all depends what type of career you want.
[05:36] <agentc0re> well the ones i've encountered.
[05:36] <missyjane> agentc0re, :(.... what will you do when you get promoted to manager? will you hate yourself?
[05:36] <lf4> agentc0re: we had a CIO in my last job who picked a phone based on the fact that "it has more buttons" quoted because those were his words.
[05:36] <agentc0re> I had one correct me once a couple years ago at my old job when i said, "Wireless".  She said, "Don't you mean 802.11?"
[05:37] <lf4> hahaha
[05:37] <missyjane> agentc0re, stupid correction :(
[05:37] <missyjane> maybe he was being sarcastic :(
[05:37] <missyjane> i just dont want ppl in this room to hate me ><
[05:37] <lf4> agentc0re: I would have been like yes mamma but should I say ABG?
[05:37] <agentc0re> missyjane: people go different routes different ways.  You'll know when you have a good IT manager.
[05:37] <lf4> missyjane: relax no one here cares what degree you have. Its how you act in here.
[05:37] <agentc0re> No, she was not being sarcastic.
[05:38] <lf4> agentc0re: even then I still would do it lol
[05:39] <missyjane> agentc0re, :) ok good managers exist then, you made it sound like none existed
[05:39] <missyjane> lf4, i know but ive been hated on for being who i am :|
[05:39] <agentc0re> lf4: She was the most retarded POS.  She actually recently got fired finally.  I still have friends at the old job, they told me so we went out and celebrated.  :D
[05:39] <lf4> missyjane: I dont hate you :)
[05:39] <agentc0re> missyjane: they are far and few between.
[05:39] <lf4> agentc0re: Haha awesome :) yeah IT is small you keep contacts even if you move jobs.
[05:39] <Zordrak> wtf
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[05:40] <missyjane> agentc0re, but cant that be said about most every other jobs?
[05:40] <agentc0re> missyjane: Yup.
[05:40] <missyjane> hm... i wonder how i will do as a manager
[05:40] <Zordrak> 3dm2 installer is fine when run on rhel5, but on slack its 20 mins per click/option... wtf?! did they do it intentionally?
[05:40] <agentc0re> Zordrak: Dude... I can't freaking sleep!!!
[05:40] <agentc0re> Zordrak: been up all night-morning.
[05:41] <agentc0re> Zordrak: it's 3:40am here..  No sleep.
[05:41] <Bart_S> lol
[05:41] <Zordrak> o...k
[05:41] Action: agentc0re shoot's self
[05:41] <Bart_S> i had that yesterday
[05:41] <The-Croupier> agentc0re, how many days?
[05:41] <missyjane> agentc0re, :( poor you
[05:41] Action: lf4 digs agentc0re's grave.
[05:41] <agentc0re> The-Croupier: this is the first day
[05:41] <agentc0re> lf4: lol, thanks.
[05:41] <lf4> hey thats why I work grave shift ;)
[05:42] <agentc0re> I got my new Vacuum Coffee maker in last night and tested it out... drinking coffee plus my narcolepsy pill's = not a good combo.
[05:43] <Wescotte> heh it's 4:43 here and I also can't sleep
[05:44] <agentc0re> Wescotte: ouch.. almost time for work for you..
[05:44] <Wescotte> no work thank god
[05:44] <dive> damn this fake webcam business :|
[05:44] <agentc0re> i'm hoping that this last cup of tea will do me in.
[05:44] <agentc0re> dive: i'm almost done building.
[05:44] <agentc0re> dive: maybe... :P
[05:44] <dive> great :-)
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[05:45] <agentc0re> dive: it's cranking on the good/bad/ugly plugins.. not sure which one it is on.  then i have farsight2 and then finally pidgin..
[05:45] <dive> ok
[05:45] <agentc0re> dive: what happens when you try and do video anyways?  throws out errors?
[05:46] <dive> when hiptibecubic started video with me I just saw a black screen
[05:46] <dive> and I don't have a cam to test the other way
[05:46] <agentc0re> ah
[05:50] <BP{k}> morgen.
[05:50] <The-Croupier> dive, was his cam working ;) :p
[05:50] <missyjane> whats this about cam talk?
[05:50] <The-Croupier> BP{k}greetings
[05:50] <missyjane> hi BP{k}
[05:50] <dive> The-Croupier, I think he fish it out of a skip somewhere
[05:51] <dive> BP{k}, moning
[05:51] <dive> missyjane, pidgin 2.6.1 just got released which supports audio/video now. A few of us spent the night trying to get it to work.
[05:52] <missyjane> :D!!!!
[05:52] <The-Croupier> dive, and... did it work? any known issues?
[05:52] <dive> http://www.unrealize.co.uk/slackbuilds/12.2/pidgin-2.6.1
[05:52] <The-Croupier> anything you know maybe any of us could help
[05:53] <dive> The-Croupier, we have audio working but no video yet
[05:53] <dive> and neither antiwire not myself have webcams >.<
[05:53] <The-Croupier> dive, i got that part.. apart from that ;)
[05:53] <dive> so if you have a webcam yes you could help test
[05:53] <dive> no problems apart from that so far
[05:54] <The-Croupier> dive, i got some at work.. ill get one and try it tonight.. hopefully i get home tonight
[05:54] <dive> ok
[05:54] <The-Croupier> ill be home at around 7 to 8 hours from now.. so yep..that would be the minimum to do to help
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[05:59] <missyjane> 4 more hours
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[05:59] <missyjane> my test is coming
[05:59] <missyjane> holy shit
[05:59] Channel flood from missyjane -- kicking
[05:59] <missyjane> im nervous as hell
[05:59] missyjane kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood
[05:59] <agentc0re> lol
[05:59] <Camarade_Tux>  ^^
[05:59] <lf4> hahaha
[05:59] Nick change: init[0] -> init[1]
[05:59] <lf4> guess she went to study ;)
[05:59] <lf4> hey init[1]
[06:00] Action: init[1] waves o/ to slackers 
[06:00] <init[1]> lf4: yo,sup !
[06:00] <lf4> not much just trying to get this apache to start up. How are you doing?
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[06:00] <missyjane> ><
[06:01] Action: lf4 hi fives missyjane nice flood ;)
[06:01] <init[1]> lf4: my exams,:( still not over :/
[06:01] <init[1]> missyjane: remember me .!!
[06:01] <lf4> oh man lol that stinks.
[06:01] <The-Croupier> init[1], greetings
[06:01] <init[1]> hey The-Croupier ;)
[06:01] <missyjane> init[1], yes i do :)
[06:01] <lf4> haha init[1] I forgot missyjane is the female that will talk to you. :P
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[06:02] <init[1]> lf4: yes,indeed, fireb|bird isn't
[06:02] <lf4> I knew fire|bird was not female lol
[06:02] <init[1]> missyjane: did ya land up some where?
[06:02] <missyjane> init[1], hm? what do you mean?
[06:03] <init[1]> i mean job ,^missyjane,
[06:03] <The-Croupier> fireb|bird is not a bird?
[06:03] <init[1]> :)
[06:03] <init[1]> The-Croupier: fire|bird is male
[06:03] <lf4> The-Croupier: there are still female and male birds :)
[06:03] <The-Croupier> lf4, yep ;)
[06:03] <init[1]> lf4: said ,he is a female
[06:03] <init[1]> :P
[06:03] <missyjane> init[1], nope, myt est comes in about 4 hours
[06:03] <Buggaboo> I regard so-called females on irc as guilty of posing as female until proven...
[06:03] <init[1]> missyjane: we,my best wishes :)
[06:04] <The-Croupier> Buggaboo, proven how exactly???
[06:04] <missyjane> ty
[06:04] <Buggaboo> The-Croupier, slackmeet?
[06:04] <init[1]> Buggaboo: how do i proove that i'm male ?
[06:04] <lf4> Buggaboo: no proving that... ;)
[06:04] <missyjane> Buggaboo, ive already proven myself to several people on freenode so i dont really care :)
[06:04] Action: BP{k} personally doesn't give a flying fuck what sex anyone is in this channel.
[06:04] <Buggaboo> slackmeeeet
[06:05] <Buggaboo> BP{k}, I don't care either.
[06:05] <lf4> BP{k}: How do you keep your sanity with everything that goes on in here?
[06:05] <BP{k}> in fact, any discussion and retardeness resulting from such, is considered to be highly annoying.
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[06:06] <The-Croupier> BP{k}, totally agree
[06:06] Action: init[1] suspects BP{k} for a female specimen
[06:06] <BP{k}> lf4: most people who I find annoying end up in my nick colour script.  it then tells me what to ignore.
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[06:07] <straterra> Shit, I'm a color! :P
[06:07] <The-Croupier> BP{k}, what do you mean
[06:07] <lf4> BP{k}: does that script make what they type easier to see or more blended in?
[06:07] <BP{k}> straterra: indeed ;)
[06:07] <The-Croupier> heyyyy, well hello straterra,
[06:07] <lf4> haha straterra What color are you? :)
[06:07] <BP{k}> lf4: different groups of people get different colours. it's just really that simple.
[06:08] <The-Croupier> black, the same as the terminal background
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[06:08] <lf4> BP{k}: Oh thats cool.
[06:08] <The-Croupier> BP{k}, that is awsome... is that the same colorscript in irssi? or is it something you did?
[06:09] <The-Croupier> in irssi site,
[06:09] <BP{k}> The-Croupier: no. search for wu-nickcolor.pl.
[06:09] <The-Croupier> BP{k}, cool, thanks
[06:11] <The-Croupier> looks nice.. its an old version of irssi its using, but with little modification i believe it might get good..
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[06:11] <The-Croupier> thanks again man, kind of helps to filter the important stuff out
[06:12] Nick change: jaher_ -> jaher
[06:12] <BP{k}> lf4: whatg's the problem with apache?
[06:12] <agentc0re> dive: how do you wanna test this?
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[06:13] <dive> agentc0re, a bit busy for 10 mins
[06:13] <dive> bbiab
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[06:15] <The-Croupier> guys, anyone seen nullboy? been a while havent heard from him... is he alright?
[06:15] Action: The-Croupier hopes someone knows
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[06:16] <lf4> BP{k}: I was trying to set up SSL and when I try to restart I get the error that the key did not exist or was empty. I ended up restarted my machine before I left for work.
[06:17] <dive> agentc0re, you have webcam and mic?
[06:17] <agentc0re> dive: i have a webcam on the netbook, i also think it has  built in mic.  Never used any of it though.
[06:17] <agentc0re> dive: was going to see which protocol you wanted to try out.
[06:18] <dive> google talk is the only one we've tried so far
[06:18] <agentc0re> dive: k.  sending email via pm.
[06:19] <missyjane> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo1d6ttbAq8
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[06:20] <BP{k}> lf4: why restart your machine?
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[06:23] <lf4> BP{k}: I was copying over the slackware dvd to the mirror directory and then my keyboard batteries went out and the system kept thinking I was pressing return all the time which started making a mess.
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[06:24] <The-Croupier> hi Kaapa
[06:24] <lf4> it was almost liek doing dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/console lol
[06:24] <lf4> s/liek/like
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[06:26] <agentc0re> doh
[06:27] <agentc0re> didn't mean to close chat.. :/  lol.
[06:27] <lf4> lol I thought you were finally going to sleep
[06:27] <dive> i am soon
[06:27] Action: The-Croupier wishes nullboy comes back :(
[06:27] <agentc0re> no, pc is slow because i'm making pidgin...  closed out FF and it also closed chat.
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[06:27] <agentc0re> yey done!
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[06:28] <missyjane> ok
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[06:28] <missyjane> i gotta go to prepare, wish me luck people ><
[06:28] <dive> good luck
[06:28] <lf4> best wishes missyjane
[06:28] <missyjane> :D ty
[06:29] <The-Croupier> BP{k}, i now understand exactly what you mean by that color.script....
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[06:29] <Tirili> Hey, people, I have new problem today:
[06:31] <Tirili> After upgrading with slackpkg I get this error while booting: "No filesystem could mount root, tried: romfs
[06:31] <Tirili> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,2)
[06:32] <Tirili> Glad, I still have another pc in my room. :/
[06:32] <Quiznos> what fs on it?
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[06:32] <Zordrak> Tirili: what kernel do you use
[06:32] <Tirili> ext3
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[06:32] <BP{k}> Tirili: did you run lilo after you upgraded your kernel?
[06:32] <Quiznos> use sbin/rdev to tell kernel where root is.
[06:33] <Zordrak> (like slackpkg tells you to)
[06:33] <Tirili> 2.6.27.31-smp
[06:33] <Tirili> Yes, I did run lilo. :(
[06:33] <Quiznos> use sbin/rdev to tell kernel where root is.
[06:33] <Tirili> Can I boot with a slackware CD?
[06:33] <Quiznos> wait
[06:33] <Quiznos> is dev scsi?
[06:33] <Quiznos> hd
[06:33] <Tirili> No.
[06:34] <Quiznos> is ata-ide in kernel?
[06:34] <Tirili> sata or sata 2?
[06:34] <Tirili> .
[06:34] <Quiznos> is sata in kernel
[06:34] <Tirili> I don't know.
[06:34] <Quiznos> zcat proc/config.gz | grep -i sata
[06:34] <Tirili> Yesterday it worked.
[06:34] <Quiznos> no
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[06:34] <Quiznos> you dint boot that kernel
[06:35] <Tirili> ok, you're right.
[06:35] <Quiznos> grep sata /boot/config*
[06:35] <Tirili> How can I login?
[06:35] <Quiznos> can
[06:35] <Quiznos> cant
[06:35] <Quiznos> -i sata
[06:35] <Quiznos> can you boot nother kernel on that box?
[06:36] <Quiznos> did you?
[06:36] <Tirili> No.
[06:36] <Quiznos> boot cd/
[06:36] <Tirili> But I have the cds here.
[06:36] <Quiznos> boot someth and make allyesconfig (or someth) the menuconfig to fine tune
[06:37] <Quiznos> see make help
[06:38] <Quiznos> the/thern
[06:38] <Quiznos> then
[06:38] <BP{k}> that seems rather useless. Perhaps efforts would be more usefull to make sure Tirili can boot the slackware kernel properly.
[06:38] <Quiznos> he messed up making a kernel.
[06:38] <BP{k}> no he did not.
[06:38] <Quiznos> ko
[06:39] <lf4> I agree with BP{k} check to make sure the kernel is or isn't working first.
[06:39] <BP{k}> 2.6.27.31 is the slackware kernel, isntalled by slackpkg.
[06:39] <Quiznos> he said it did boot yesterday but not today.
[06:40] <Tirili> Both of you are right. :)
[06:40] <Quiznos> did you rdev yet?
[06:40] <Tirili> Yesterday an update to 2.6.27.31 was installed per slackpkg and today it installed an update or something.
[06:40] <dive> security fix
[06:41] <Quiznos> did you crontab slackpkg updating>
[06:41] <Tirili> No
[06:41] <Quiznos> k
[06:41] <Quiznos> rdev the kernel
[06:41] <Tirili> i have just boot ed up the default kernel from Slackware 12.2 CD 1.
[06:41] <Quiznos> k
[06:43] <Chakravanti> holy shit, where do i buy a floppy disk these days?
[06:43] <Quiznos> the fd0 or the diskettes?
[06:44] Nick change: adupuis -> Arno[Slack]`Work
[06:44] <Quiznos> online mostly
[06:44] <Quiznos> biglots?
[06:44] <Quiznos> staples
[06:44] <Quiznos> officemax
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[06:44] <Chakravanti> the diskettes lol
[06:44] <Quiznos> office supply stores and biglots
[06:45] <Chakravanti> wal mart shut down big lots here
[06:45] <Chakravanti> =(
[06:45] <Quiznos> k
[06:45] <Chakravanti> i loved that store
[06:45] <Chakravanti> i have a staples though
[06:45] <Quiznos> me too
[06:45] <aluba> krama!!!
[06:45] <aluba> karma
[06:45] <Chakravanti> i havent used floppies in over a decade
[06:45] <Quiznos> same here mostly
[06:45] <Tirili> I have mounted my / (my harddisk sda2) under /mnt now.
[06:45] <Quiznos> kernel is too fat
[06:46] <Quiznos> ok
[06:46] <Chakravanti> but i'm having difficulty getting Slackware installed on this old machine and I think i just need to make a custom kernel
[06:46] <Quiznos> netboot?
[06:46] <Chakravanti> i was hoping i could just add it to the cd
[06:46] <Chakravanti> no ethernet card
[06:46] <Quiznos> grub
[06:46] <aluba> my kernel is always smaller and faster than yours
[06:46] <Quiznos> k
[06:47] <Quiznos> try older version
[06:47] <Quiznos> of dist
[06:47] <aluba> is slamd64 relative with slack?
[06:47] <Quiznos> yes
[06:48] <Chakravanti> 11 install cd wont boot, all but the latest 2.4 kernels don't support my cd-rom drive due to a bug
[06:48] Action: BP{k} concatonates Quiznos three lines into one.
[06:48] <Quiznos> ok
[06:48] <aluba> how comes?
[06:48] <Chakravanti> so they boot, but can't find the source
[06:48] <Quiznos> why what?
[06:48] <aluba> you can use ide-scsi
[06:48] <Chakravanti> it's just a bug in the kernel that didn't get fixed until after slackware went 2.6
[06:49] <Chakravanti> for this specific drive
[06:49] <aluba> which brand of cdrom?
[06:49] <Chakravanti> Samsung
[06:49] <aluba> i will avoid it
[06:49] <aluba> hahahahah
[06:49] <aluba> big mines
[06:49] <Tirili> I can access my old / now. How shall I start now?
[06:49] <Chakravanti> it works on earlier kernels
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[06:50] <Chakravanti> i think after 2.4.14 it stopped working or something like that
[06:50] <Chakravanti> i need 2.6 anyway
[06:50] <aluba> what does samsung replay to this problem?
[06:50] <Chakravanti> it wasn't a problem with samsung
[06:50] <Quiznos> Tirili find the kernel's boot/config file
[06:51] <Chakravanti> it was a bug in the kernel
[06:51] <aluba> hahahaha
[06:51] <Chakravanti> it's been fixed
[06:51] <aluba> the same result
[06:51] <Chakravanti> but just not on the kernels in slack 9 & 10.2
[06:51] <aluba> nobody cares
[06:51] <Chakravanti> and i can't get the frikin 11 cd to boot
[06:51] <aluba> we don't buy anything from samsung
[06:52] <Chakravanti> dude. stfu if you're not gonna be helpful.
[06:52] <Quiznos> Chakravanti /ig him.
[06:52] <aluba> ?
[06:52] <Chakravanti> yeah
[06:52] <Quiznos> Chakravanti what about ide-scsi?
[06:52] <Tirili> Is it /boot/config-generic-smp-2.6.27.31-smp ?
[06:52] <Quiznos> does thta match the kernel that wont boot?
[06:52] <Chakravanti> no
[06:53] <Quiznos> Tirili
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[06:53] <Chakravanti> the BIOS doesn't recognize slackware 11 install disk 1 as a bootable CD
[06:53] <Quiznos> ok
[06:53] <Chakravanti> and 9 & 10.2 use 2.4.XX kernels
[06:53] <Quiznos> k
[06:54] <Quiznos> Tirili is that the version for kernel that wont boot?
[06:54] <Chakravanti> idk
[06:54] <Chakravanti> it's the slackware 11 install disk 1
[06:55] <Quiznos> Chakravanti k
[06:55] <Chakravanti> the others boot, but just don't support the cdrom drive
[06:55] <Quiznos> Chakravanti try another cd dist
[06:55] <Chakravanti> DSl boots
[06:55] <Tirili> Probably. How can I find out? /etc/lilo.conf wants to boot image = /boot/vmlinuz. :/
[06:55] <Chakravanti> i have DSL on there
[06:55] <Chakravanti> but that's cuz it has a new kernel
[06:56] <Quiznos> Tirili faster answers pls i'm falling asleep here.  grep SATA /boot/config-*
[06:56] <Chakravanti> i was trying to figure out how to put a custom kernel on the install cd
[06:56] <Quiznos> rewrite iso
[06:57] <Quiznos> make new iso
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[06:57] <Chakravanti> yes
[06:57] <Quiznos> mount iso, copy off contents to new tree; fix; make iso; write
[06:57] <Chakravanti> i mean where do i put the new kernel
[06:57] <Tirili> Ok, that gives me a long list of lines.
[06:57] <Quiznos>  /boot
[06:57] <Tirili> I am in /boot now.
[06:58] <Chakravanti> there is no /boot
[06:58] <Chakravanti> argh
[06:58] <Chakravanti> nvm
[06:58] <Quiznos> Tirili what chipset do you have?
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[06:58] <Chakravanti> ill bbl this is too confusing
[06:58] <Quiznos> ok
[06:58] <Tirili> Chipset?
[06:58] <Tirili> I have a Duo Core T5750
[06:59] <ccfreak2k> That's the CPU.
[06:59] <Tirili> ok, what do you mean with chipset?
[06:59] <Tirili> My type of harddisk?
[06:59] <ccfreak2k> lspci -vv | grep Host Bridge
[06:59] <Quiznos> Tirili kshw
[06:59] <Quiznos> lshw
[06:59] <Quiznos> what ccfreak2k  said
[07:00] <ccfreak2k> lspci -vv | grep Host\ Bridge
[07:00] <ccfreak2k> Use this one instead.
[07:01] <Tirili> Hm. I cannot type in a \
[07:01] <Quiznos> ccfreak2k can you finish? i'm asleep
[07:01] <Tirili> I chose qwert/de
[07:02] <Quiznos> "Host Bridge"
[07:02] <ccfreak2k> Tirili, copy and paste then.
[07:02] <ccfreak2k> Quiznos, I don't even know what the issue is.
[07:02] <Tirili> Ok, that puts out a new line in bash.
[07:02] <Tirili> After upgrading with slackpkg I get this error while booting: "No filesystem could mount root, tried: romfs
[07:02] <Tirili> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,2)
[07:03] <Quiznos> ccfreak2k his prob is ~30min ago, right before missy quit
[07:03] <Quiznos> or that.
[07:03] <ccfreak2k> That sounds simple enough.
[07:03] <Quiznos> yea
[07:03] <Tirili> I have booted up the default kernen of the slackware 12.2 cd  1.
[07:03] <Quiznos> got?
[07:03] <ccfreak2k> And your root fs is?
[07:03] <Quiznos> ty
[07:03] <Quiznos> gone
[07:03] <Tirili> Thank you anyway
[07:03] <Tirili> etx3
[07:04] <Chakravanti> Would I have problems using 2.6 kernel on old distros like 10.2?
[07:04] <Tirili> ext3
[07:04] <ccfreak2k> Chakravanti, AFAIK 10 and later had 2.6 as "experimental", so it should wok.
[07:04] <sahko> does it have udev?
[07:05] <sahko> it does
[07:05] <Chakravanti> ok ty
[07:06] <Tirili> lspci - vv | grep "Host Bridge" just opens a new line in bash.
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[07:06] <ccfreak2k> Tirili, well then just run lspci -vv and look at the first entry.
[07:07] <The-Croupier> agentc0re ping
[07:08] <Tirili> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory Controller
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[07:08] <Tirili> Subsystem: Samsung Electronics Co Ltd Unknown device c042
[07:08] <ccfreak2k> Oh no wonder.
[07:08] <ccfreak2k> It was a lower case b.
[07:09] <ccfreak2k> Tirili, just paste the whole thing into pastebin or something.
[07:09] <Tirili> Sorry, I cannot connect to the internet from that pc.
[07:09] <Tirili> Or how can I?
[07:10] <The-Croupier> agentc0re|work ping
[07:10] <Tirili> What keywords shall I look for in that output list?
[07:10] <ccfreak2k> Well, you can dump it to a file and use a USB mass storage device to move it.
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[07:12] <Tirili> I don't have a storage device here. Sorry.
[07:13] <Tirili> Don't you only need infos about the host bridge?
[07:13] <ccfreak2k> I have no idea why he wanted to know that.
[07:14] <ccfreak2k> I'm not even sure if the stock kernel uses an initrd or not.
[07:14] <ccfreak2k> Either way, it's not trying to use the ext3 driver to mount the partition.
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[07:17] <Tirili> Perhaps I can use a Life Disk and use the internet then.
[07:18] <Tirili> I'll try to boot up a pc linux os and send you that dumped lspci-vv file.
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[07:23] <Zordrak> fred: *poke*
[07:23] <Zordrak> fred: am at the "irritating get 3dm2 working" stage you talked about
[07:25] <lf4> humm BP{k} Apparently the restarted made the httpd work.
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[07:42] <jaher> :D TPB copy went live
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[07:44] <jaher> http://torrentfreak.com/torrented-pirate-bay-copy-comes-to-life-090820/
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[07:58] <The-Croupier> i never had the money, or the luck to see any new hardware, is there something like vmware that you select OSes and see how they work... kind of the same with hardware? something to see how a piece of hardware is going to behave on some OS (slackware,suse..etc)
[07:58] <The-Croupier> or does it have to be physical, if so...i will never know..:(
[08:00] <NthDegree> The-Croupier, well.. there is and there isn't
[08:01] <NthDegree> There are emulators for ancient hardware
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[08:03] <alisonken1noc> SNES emulator was popular with a teenager I knew :)
[08:04] <aluba> vmware is not on my list
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[08:04] <aluba> i am sick of its pure mandarin supports from china
[08:06] <usr13> I did the kernel upgrade via slackpkg and now my laptop won't boot.  It's complaining that the kernel is big.  Any clues as to what could have happened?
[08:07] <usr13> SSA:2009-231-01
[08:07] <alisonken1noc> usr13: try using the modular kernel and don't forget to make an initrd for it
[08:07] <usr13> alisonken1noc: Oh yea, that must be it, need to rebuild initrd  Right?
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[08:08] <aluba> why do you still use initrd?
[08:08] <aluba> you have big ram, don't you?
[08:08] <usr13> alisonken1noc: I was already using kernel-generic-smp
[08:09] <usr13> aluba: What?
[08:09] <alisonken1noc> kernel-generic should be modular. kernel-huge has everything under the sun compiled into it.
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[08:09] <usr13> alisonken1noc: Yes, I know...
[08:09] <usr13> I use kernel-generic
[08:09] <aluba> i have no clue, how can a kernel be too huge
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[08:10] <alisonken1noc> depending on which drivers were compiled into the generic, yes - you will need an initrd for the filesystem drivers
[08:10] <usr13> alisonken1noc: Yes, I'll rebuild initrd.
[08:10] <alisonken1noc> aluba: not all laptops are brandy-spanking-new ones that have tons of usable memory for booting
[08:10] <usr13> Thanks
[08:10] <alisonken1noc> np
[08:10] <rworkman> alisonken1noc and usr13, but it doesn't.
[08:11] <usr13> rworkman: what doesn't?
[08:11] <usr13> doesn't what?
[08:11] <aluba> come on, who has no 4gb of ram nowadays?
[08:11] <usr13> aluba: me
[08:11] <usr13> :)
[08:11] <alisonken1noc> usr13: the other thought (that rworkman tickled my mind about) is: did you build an bzimage kernel, or was it a standard uncompressed kernel?
[08:11] <aluba> hahaha, you are cheap
[08:11] <rworkman> kernel-huge has only the bare minimum drivers needed to boot the systems we support.  That includes mainboard chips, disks, fs drivers, etcetera, but otherwise, it's not much more in the huge config than generic
[08:11] <aluba> we are not poor chinese
[08:11] <rworkman> usr13: ^
[08:11] <usr13> It's a laptop, not a supercomputer.
[08:12] <alisonken1noc> aluba: my laptop doesn't go that high :)
[08:12] <aluba> a supercomputer has tera-class of ram
[08:12] <alisonken1noc> it's good to be able to get 1G stuffed into it (older laptop)
[08:13] <alisonken1noc> rworkman: I'm thinking when he used sbopkg to upgrade the kernel, there may have been a config issue or a build (think non-bzimage) issue
[08:13] <aluba> even an old centrino laptop has 1gb of ram
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[08:13] <alisonken1noc> aluba: a centrino is newer than the laptop I have
[08:13] <aluba> or 2 gb of ram
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[08:13] <elge> I didn't use slackware for some time (v7.1 & v9 times) and I now see there's a slackpkg tool ?
[08:13] <The-Croupier> aluba, there are a lot of ppl who use older laptops, for their own reasons..
[08:13] <aluba> are you still living in year 1999?
[08:14] <The-Croupier> elge, and sbopkg ;)
[08:14] <elge> is it possible to use it to install a whole set ?  (e.g. X & XAP)
[08:14] <alisonken1noc> aluba: no - but I need a laptop with a serial port for some of my work, and the usb dongle's get lost too many times
[08:14] <ph|ber> m0o
[08:14] <The-Croupier> elge, its possible to do lots of things..even online installations from scratch
[08:15] <aluba> my centrino laptop has one com port...
[08:15] <rworkman> alisonken1noc: I don't know the backstory here; I only started reading at your comment :)
[08:15] <elge> The-Croupier, how to install a whole set (defaults, not all *.tgz) ?
[08:15] <alisonken1noc> rworkman: :)
[08:15] <usr13> aluba: You wouldn't use 100 watt light in a closed when 60w will do just fine.  Right?
[08:15] <rworkman> elge: "slackpkg install slackware" will install everything.  "slackpkg install kde" e.g. will install the kde series
[08:15] <aluba> that's why you shouldn't buy a cheap chinashit laptop
[08:15] <alisonken1noc> elge: see the "installpkg -tagfile" option
[08:16] <aluba> 60w is too much
[08:16] <alisonken1noc> sorry - what rworkman said :)
[08:16] <rworkman> tagfile support is new in 2.80.x iirc
[08:16] <usr13> aluba: It's a dell x300 with 1G ram.
[08:16] <elge> rworkman, this will show up all *x* pkgs
[08:16] <elge> alisonken1noc, thanks
[08:16] <aluba> an atom cpu eats only 2w
[08:17] <aluba> dell O.o
[08:17] <alisonken1noc> oops - freenode staff are getting ready to rehub servers
[08:17] <aluba> dell cheated its customers
[08:17] <alisonken1noc> look for noise
[08:17] <usr13> well, anyway thanks for the info.
[08:17] <usr13> C U L
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[08:30] <mtyfull> wow ... wth is happening?
[08:31] <john_dee> 2012 rescheduled..for today %)
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[08:32] <alisonken1noc> mtyfull: freenode staff just posted that they're re-hubbing some servers
[08:32] <mtyfull> john_dee: what is scheduled for 2012?
[08:33] <mtyfull> alisonken1noc:  sounds like fun ;)
[08:33] <NetrixTardis> mtyfull: don't you know?  2012 is the end of the world.
[08:33] <elge> alisonken1noc, what argument should I give to installpkg, if I want the default packages to be installed (-tagfile is optional, it takes ./tagfile by default)
[08:33] <mtyfull> NetrixTardis: finally, i was bored
[08:34] <elge> alisonken1noc, I'm wondering if OPT is part of the defaults which gets installed during a Full install
[08:34] <mtyfull> there was a song as well, its the end of the world as we know it...etc..etc
[08:34] <NetrixTardis> R.E.M.
[08:35] <mtyfull> NetrixTardis: so nothing to worry about ;)
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[08:38] <elge> rworkman, you were right it works for sets, even
[08:38] <elge> thanks
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[08:43] <slackytude> man
[08:43] <slackytude> its hot
[08:43] <mtyfull> women are hotter
[08:43] <slackytude> you just melt in the sunlight
[08:43] <slackytude> too hot for women
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[08:43] <Tirili> Where are you staying?
[08:44] <mtyfull> in some hot place ;)
[08:44] <Tirili> Which country ? ;)
[08:44] <slackytude> Germany
[08:44] <mtyfull> if its hot in germany imagine egypt :p
[08:45] <slackytude> Id rather not
[08:45] <slackytude> too hot
[08:45] <Tirili> Ah. Ich auch. ;) Soll heute ja der heißeste Tag im Jahr werden, seht jedenfalls in den "Kieler Nachrichten" bla bla..
[08:45] <Tirili> Anyway
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[08:45] <Tirili> I am sitting on my (workin) pc with internet now. And I decided to burn a cd, but k3b doesn't start up, when I enter k3b in ther terminal. Only a new empty line appears in bash (no prompt) and I can only quit it with ctrl-c.
[08:46] <Tirili> It's slackware 12.2 here.
[08:46] <Tirili> Is there an error log file that I can look up?
[08:46] <slackytude> Tirili, it is
[08:46] <slackytude> funky, another german dude
[08:47] <slackytude> Tirili, you run kde?
[08:48] <Tirili> yep
[08:48] <slackytude> maybe ask in #kde as well, Ive got no idea
[08:48] <slackytude> its too hot
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[08:50] Action: Zordrak has two aircon systems cooling him right now.. one for the floor and one of his very own :)
[08:50] <Zordrak> Proper Daikin one too..
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[08:51] <slackytude> its too hot
[08:51] <slackytude> irc is meltin
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[08:54] <BP{k}> slackytude: no shit :)
[08:54] <mtyfull> maybe thats why they restarted their servers... ;)
[08:54] <paperboy> hi guys, i need help for my oracle.slackbuild for x86_64
[08:55] <tewmten> *yawn*
[08:55] <paperboy> any ppl know oracle very well?
[08:56] <tewmten> i'm wondering if i'm overengineering this bash script
[08:56] <tewmten> hm
[08:56] <BP{k}> tewmten: probably ;)
[08:56] <tewmten> well
[08:56] <BP{k}> paperboy: enough to avoid it. ;)
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[08:56] <tewmten> as long as it works :P
[08:56] <BP{k}> agreed :)
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[08:56] <alisonken1noc> paperboy: enough to know I can't afford it :)
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[08:57] <tewmten> BP{k}: im making a script that uses ldapsearch to collect group information from active directory to create a svn authz file
[08:58] <slackytude> oracle on slack?
[08:58] <paperboy> yes
[08:58] <slackytude> dont they give you a unix server free with every oracle license
[08:58] <tewmten> just convert the rpm to a tgz package..?
[08:59] <alisonken1noc> "The New And Improved Oracle Unbreakable - Red Hat Done Right"
[08:59] <paperboy> no i use su - oracle -c "cd $PKG/home/oracle/database/ ; ./runInstaller -ignoreSysPrereqs  -invPtrLoc $PKG/opt/oracle/product -silent -responseFile $PKG/home/oracle/slackware-oracle11gR1.rsp"
[08:59] <tewmten> mhm
[08:59] <tewmten> oh man these apple crackers are fucking delicious
[08:59] <BP{k}> paperboy: can you post the entire buildscript?
[08:59] <tewmten> i be all like OM NOM NOM
[09:00] <paperboy> yes, wait a minute
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[09:00] <alisonken1noc> paperboy: use pastebin please
[09:01] <paperboy> http://pastebin.com/m792e4592
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[09:02] <paperboy> this not complete now, i need some "sed" lines
[09:02] <tewmten> hehe
[09:02] <tewmten> when it doubt.. regex
[09:03] <tewmten> that's usually what my scripts look like when im finished
[09:03] <tewmten> a garbled collection of loops, pipelines and regexps
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[09:03] <tewmten> sub-shell is my shell! BOO-YAH!
[09:04] Action: BP{k} fails to see the need for if [ ! -d $TMP ]; then
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[09:04] <paperboy> is bad script?
[09:05] <BP{k}> I didn't say that. However, it is not how I would write it.
[09:06] <tewmten> a wise man once said
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[09:06] <tewmten> TIMTOWTDI
[09:07] <Zordrak> psh ftw
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[09:09] <BP{k}> tewmten: oh agreed: but, TIMTOWTDIBSCINABTE.
[09:09] <Zordrak> YOu do roalise that TIMTOWTDIBSCINABTEFARFBENTIBBLE though?
[09:10] <tewmten> uhm.. TBH FFS LOL? amirite?
[09:10] <tewmten> goed zo
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[09:51] <Camarade_Tux> woohooo, I got 6.8 million dollars on my bank account! \o/
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[09:52] <slackytude> O_o
[09:52] <slackytude> got some spare change?
[09:53] <Camarade_Tux> wait a minute, I have to check in the bin, I've just deleted the mail :D
[09:54] <alisonken1noc> Camarade_Tux: sure that wasn't 6.8M Pesos from the PHillipines?
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[09:55] <Camarade_Tux> alisonken1noc: nah, fresh dollars coming from zimbabwe
[09:55] <john_dee> Camarade_Tux: so then..got a fortune from you african granma? :P
[09:56] <Camarade_Tux> I can also get 40% of 5.5million dollars from a banker from burkina faso who was responsible from assets of people who died in a plane crash in iran
[09:56] <Camarade_Tux> I'm gonna buy a cluster! \o/
[09:56] <alisonken1noc> Camarade_Tux: woot! just make sure the ink's dry before you try to spend em
[09:57] <Camarade_Tux> I already replied and sent the 100_000 euros required for the transaction! \o/
[09:58] <Camarade_Tux> btw, I can buy strippers for some of you if you want :)
[09:58] Action: slackytude wants
[09:58] <alisonken1noc> nice thought, but the wife may say something about that :)
[09:58] <Camarade_Tux> alisonken1noc: nah, I can buy her a male stripper :)
[09:59] <alisonken1noc> now why would she want a male stripper sent to her when she already has me? ;)
[09:59] Action: Camarade_Tux wonders if the husband may say something about that :D 
[09:59] <Camarade_Tux> he does :D
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[09:59] <Knightingale> hey anyone know if these would be safe https://mirror.umoss.org/slackware/slackware-12.1/extra/bittorrent/
[10:00] <Camarade_Tux> alisonken1noc: do you wears thongs and strip in front of her on a table in the living room? :p
[10:00] <Camarade_Tux> Knightingale: safe with regard to what? what do you fear?
[10:00] <alisonken1noc> Camarade_Tux: can't use the table, it has a server on it - but there is the waterbed, the couch, ........
[10:00] <Knightingale> malware
[10:01] <Camarade_Tux> Knightingale: using firefox and got the warning because of the certificate?
[10:01] <Camarade_Tux> Knightingale: but anyway, you can check the .asc file
[10:01] <Knightingale> i mean is it a trusted domain for slack packages. don't care about the SSL
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[10:02] <quasar> Knightingale: slackware.com has a whole list of mirrors.. I'd go there and find one
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[10:02] <Zordrak> Knightingale: use osusl if youre worried about mirror authenticity
[10:02] <quasar> take the "chance" out of the equation :p
[10:02] <Camarade_Tux> well, it's not listed on http://www.slackware.com/getslack/list.php?country=USA
[10:03] <Camarade_Tux> and the .asc file is your friend :)
[10:06] <slackytude> or yous slackpkg
[10:06] <slackytude> which does key checks
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[10:08] <slackytude> man its too hot
[10:08] <alisonken1noc> that's what she said
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[10:08] Action: quasar gives slackytude an ice cube.
[10:09] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: the temps should drop by as much as 15C by tomorrow :)
[10:10] <tewmten> ah yes
[10:10] <tewmten> awesomeness
[10:10] <tewmten> i figured out a way to write my script with less code, and more regexp
[10:11] <tewmten> my boss will hate me
[10:11] <Camarade_Tux> which language?
[10:12] <tewmten> bash
[10:12] <tewmten> :D
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[10:13] <tewmten> i think i spent like 6 hours on it today or something
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[10:19] <Camarade_Tux> tewmten: try lolcode :p
[10:19] <Camarade_Tux> will make me laugh :D
[10:20] <tewmten> hehe
[10:20] <tewmten> i dunno
[10:20] <tewmten> its a script to collect information from active directory and build the subversion authz file :)
[10:21] <fred> why not actually hook the subversion authentication into ldap?
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[10:22] <tewmten> it already is
[10:22] <tewmten> but it has to be different permissions for different repositories
[10:22] <tewmten> hence we use an authz file
[10:23] <Camarade_Tux> tewmten: see, that completely boring, it'd be much funnier in lolcode :)
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[10:24] <guax> CAN HAZ LDAP? THNX
[10:24] <fred> tewmten: you could make it shorter in awk :p
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[10:25] <Zordrak> i would LOVE to run openldap instead of AD.. but that would screw me for the XP boxen
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[10:25] <Zordrak> i want samba4
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[10:25] <gnubien> illusion: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/files/2009/08/squarecirclespiral.jpg
[10:26] <Camarade_Tux> gnubien: die! :p
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[10:27] <gnubien> Camarade_Tux: that .jpg will cross your eyes :)
[10:27] <Camarade_Tux> gnubien: yeah, it definitely does :D
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[10:27] <Filipepepee> is there an alternative for loops to perform actions before buffering? for example, "for a in `ls /home`; do .. "  - is there something to use instead so that it will not wait the final content to start looping?
[10:27] <gnubien> yea, a stunning illusion
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[10:28] <Zordrak> xargs in the right sitchation
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[10:30] <quasar> MEA CULPA BRO!
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[10:36] <Guest413> help in spanish please?
[10:37] <Zordrak> Guest413: ##slackware-es
[10:37] <Alan_Hicks> Guest413: #slackware-es
[10:37] <Guest413> thanks, but the people of spanish channel dont talk
[10:37] <slackytude> Zordrak, so you got AD on your linux boxen now?
[10:38] <Zordrak> buh?
[10:38] <slackytude> <Zordrak> i would LOVE to run openldap instead of AD.. but that would screw me for the XP boxen
[10:38] <Zordrak> no.. just everything authenticates off LDAP (except where not feasible in which case its served by nis)
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[10:39] <Zordrak> ideally, id use nss_ldap, and run samba4 tied into openldap
[10:39] <slackytude> that should work with samba3 as well
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[10:40] <Zordrak> slackytude: samba3 doesnt do the AD bits necessary to slave XP boxes
[10:40] <Zordrak> not properly anywayf
[10:40] <slackytude> an, you want samba to be the master
[10:41] <Zordrak> yus
[10:41] <Zordrak> i want AD GONE
[10:41] <slackytude> right
[10:41] <slackytude> Its too hot
[10:41] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: getting cooler here :)
[10:42] <slackytude> Zordrak, but do your linux machines auth against AD or are they on NIS?
[10:42] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, just 34C instead of 35C now
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[10:42] <Zordrak> NIS or local depending
[10:42] <Zordrak> no slack boxes are nis
[10:42] <slackytude> I see
[10:42] <Zordrak> the farm servers are centos/rhel and theyre nis
[10:43] <Zordrak> no AD cause nss_ldap isnt too good and im NOT dealing with the hell of installing PAM
[10:43] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: 27 outdoor and 30 indoor
[10:43] <Zordrak> if i had samba4 the farm servers would go LDAP
[10:43] <Zordrak> slack could stay local, XP coulb be samba4 and then i could dump AD
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[10:44] <Camarade_Tux> am I hearing rain? :o
[10:44] <Camarade_Tux> IT'S RAINING! \o/
[10:44] <Zordrak> Camarade_Tux: was here about 3 hours ago
[10:44] <Zordrak> must be moving fast
[10:44] <Camarade_Tux> Zordrak: where are you living?
[10:45] <Zordrak> left and up
[10:45] <hitest> scattered clouds here
[10:45] <Camarade_Tux> Zordrak: south-west england?
[10:45] <hitest> north coast, BC, Canada, here
[10:45] <Camarade_Tux> well, it's also left and up :p
[10:46] <Zordrak> more up, more left
[10:46] <pprkut> iceland :P
[10:47] <Quiznos> mornin
[10:47] <edman007> morning
[10:48] <Quiznos> hi ed
[10:48] <Camarade_Tux> afternoon :)
[10:48] <Camarade_Tux> Zordrak: australia?
[10:50] <Quiznos> `slackpkg download' doesnt mantain Pat's slackware/ structure? wth
[10:50] Action: BP{k} does a raindance
[10:51] <Camarade_Tux> it stopped raining ='(
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[10:51] <quasar> been raining here since about 11pm last night.. under a flood watch now :D
[10:51] <Camarade_Tux> quasar: it was >35C here
[10:53] <quasar> that's around what it usually is here this time of year.. but it's at a lovely 21C right now :)
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[10:54] <Quiznos> # /
[10:55] <Quiznos> # /bin/lsm-temp -f /dev/outside
[10:55] <Quiznos> damn; lsm/lsm/g
[10:55] <Quiznos> damn
[10:55] <Quiznos> lm-temps
[10:55] <Quiznos> damn fk that up
[10:55] <Quiznos> heh
[10:55] <Quiznos> it's too early for me to be interacting with people
[10:55] <Camarade_Tux>  :)
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[10:57] <slackytude> I wanna go home
[10:57] <slackytude> its too hot
[10:57] <BP{k}> Camarade_Tux: 36 here in north-west germany.
[10:57] <slackytude> BP{k}, oh, you be in Germany now? in the town that doesnt exist?
[10:57] <slackytude> BP{k}, you brought some great weather along
[10:57] <BP{k}> slackytude: nope. further north from here .. my parents live near Meppel.
[10:58] <slackytude> ah,ok
[10:58] <BP{k}> I was stationed during my airforce days near that not existing town.
[10:58] <slackytude> right, messed something up
[10:59] <Alan_Hicks> Howdy folks.
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[10:59] <slackytude> y0 al
[10:59] <slackytude> y0 Alan_Hicks
[10:59] <BP{k}> Alan_Hicks: howdy, how goes?
[10:59] <Alan_Hicks> Could use your opinions on virtualization. I may be needing to run Windows Server 2008 inside a Linux box. What would be your suggestions for doing so?
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[10:59] <Alan_Hicks> BP{k}: Busy as all get out.
[11:00] <Quiznos> qemu
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[11:00] <Alan_Hicks> Bare in mind this will be a headless box, so no X if at all possible.
[11:01] <Quiznos> xvfb then too
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[11:01] <Quiznos> wait, xvfb isnt needed
[11:01] <Quiznos> qemu.
[11:02] <Quiznos> add a gig of ram too
[11:02] <Alan_Hicks> RAM isn't a problem.
[11:02] <Quiznos> k
[11:02] <slackytude> Alan_Hicks, any should do
[11:03] <Alan_Hicks> BTW, not sure if it matters, but the Windows requirement is due to an ISV that claims to need MS SQL Server.
[11:03] <Alan_Hicks> I don't know how much I/O to expect from that.
[11:03] <Quiznos> ahve prove their claim
[11:03] <Quiznos> demand proof of claim
[11:03] <slackytude> Alan_Hicks, we have some ms sql instances virtualized
[11:03] <Camarade_Tux> Alan_Hicks: for installation you may just install on another machine and move the virtual drive or try the unattended settings for installation (vlite and friends)
[11:04] <Alan_Hicks> slackytude: How has that worked out for you?  No real problems?
[11:04] <pprkut> Alan_Hicks: virtualbox works in headless mode
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[11:04] <slackytude> Alan_Hicks, all fine. but they arent really heavy duty ones and havent been stress tested. if you expect high traffic, you mileage may wary
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[11:04] <pprkut> Alan_Hicks: but the user-mailing list is full of I/O-load problems
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[11:05] <Alan_Hicks> Alright.
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[11:07] Action: slackytude starts to shutdown office workstations
[11:07] <slackytude> finally, the day is over
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[11:07] <Camarade_Tux>  :)
[11:07] <slackytude> I'll be glad when Im home
[11:07] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: it's <30C here now :)
[11:07] <slackytude> gonna put some ice in a bathtube or something
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[11:08] <Camarade_Tux> bah!
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[11:08] <Camarade_Tux> I git pull'ed on a git repo owned by root and some ops failed, now I think everything is fscked up
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[11:10] <slackytude> big boss went home two hours ago
[11:10] <slackytude> and his office is cool like ice
[11:11] <BP{k}> slackytude: I am glad I didn't went to munster today, it's 37 there
[11:11] <slackytude> and who sits right next to the big window in full sunlight all day with like, 10 machines in the room?
[11:11] <slackytude> great
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[11:12] <slackytude> and I forgot to call back a customer
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[11:12] <slackytude> sigh
[11:12] <Camarade_Tux> hmmm, how to find the files created less than one hour ago ?
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[11:12] <Camarade_Tux> (can't find the good thing)
[11:13] <Camarade_Tux>  =/
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[11:17] <shik4nt4z4> Hello!
[11:17] <Camarade_Tux> yo shik4nt4z4
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[11:18] <shik4nt4z4> How do I use my alsamixer -c 1 as the default output?
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[11:20] <shik4nt4z4> OK. I think I got it.
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[11:20] <Quiznos> hey, i'm about to do `upgradpkg *.tgz' any gotchas I need to be reminded of?
[11:20] <Quiznos> the files are x/
[11:21] <Camarade_Tux> upgrading to current?
[11:21] <Quiznos> .2
[11:21] <BP{k}> Camarade_Tux: find and "-{a,c,m}time" ?
[11:21] <BP{k}> s/time/min/
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[11:22] <Camarade_Tux> BP{k}: time is better ;)
[11:22] <Quiznos> is therre any in x/ that needs to be first?
[11:22] <Camarade_Tux> but a, c or m didn't do it =/
[11:23] <Quiznos> shik4nt4z4 hey, i've been finding that some unk app is messing with my mixer settings; set the etc/ file to 444 to prevent rewriting. IMHO
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[11:23] <pprkut> Quiznos: nvidia driver installed?
[11:24] <Quiznos> yes
[11:24] <Quiznos> the x drivr?
[11:24] <Quiznos> i think so
[11:24] <Quiznos> why?
[11:24] <pprkut> Quiznos: then the only gotcha I know of is not forgetting to reinstall/reconfigure the nvidia driver after updating xorg-server/mesa
[11:25] <Quiznos> ty
[11:25] <Camarade_Tux> BP{k}: yeah, they all return almost all files =/
[11:25] <Camarade_Tux> doing it by hand =/
[11:26] <Camarade_Tux> or...
[11:26] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, rm $(git status |sed -e something) :)
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[11:29] <thrice`> Camarade_Tux: what are you trying to do?
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[11:30] <Camarade_Tux> thrice`: I had a git repo owned by root and updated it as another user, and update failed, now I need to remove all the files that have just been added during the failed update so I can successfully pull again
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[11:30] <Quiznos> ok; during upgrade there were errors `pkg cant be found'; will installpkg install the pkgs not installed currently?
[11:30] <Dominian> upgradepkg --install-new ?
[11:30] <Camarade_Tux> rm $(git log | sed -e 's/# *\(.*\.cpp\)/\1/')
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[11:30] <Quiznos> didnt use that
[11:30] <Quiznos> didnt know
[11:31] <Dominian> makes it nice
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[11:31] <Camarade_Tux> 'argument list too long: rm' :D
[11:31] <Dominian> it'll upgrade ones that need upgraded and install anything new
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[11:31] <thrice`> why not use git ?
[11:31] <Quiznos> so what now?
[11:31] <Camarade_Tux> thrice`: and do what?
[11:31] <Quiznos> install or upgrade again?
[11:31] <Zordrak> Camarade_Tux: ls $foo; xargs rm
[11:31] <Camarade_Tux> (hopefully the command failed, it's bad)
[11:31] <Zordrak> Camarade_Tux: ls $foo| xargs rm
[11:31] <thrice`> maybe i'm not understanding :>
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[11:32] <Camarade_Tux> maybe bye
[11:32] <Camarade_Tux> git pull
[11:32] <Camarade_Tux> Updating 1882ffb..6a62f5a
[11:32] <Camarade_Tux> error: Untracked working tree file 'LayoutTests/compositing/masks/masked-ancestor.html' would be overwritten by merge.
[11:32] <Camarade_Tux>  :)
[11:32] <Camarade_Tux> good slackboy
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[11:33] <Tirili> ccfreak2k: Hey
[11:33] <Tirili> http://pastebin.com/m4f56f8e1
[11:33] <Camarade_Tux> crap, not git log, git status ><
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[11:34] <ccfreak2k> Tirili, that makes your chipset an ICH9.
[11:34] <thrice`> there is a "git reset" too
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[11:36] <Camarade_Tux> thrice`: but it doesn't remove the files that have been added
[11:36] <Tirili> Hm, ok
[11:36] <Camarade_Tux> I use it though
[11:36] <thrice`> Camarade_Tux: can't you rebase your local ?
[11:36] <Tirili> So what can I do stop that kernel panic now? ;)
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[11:37] <Camarade_Tux> thrice`: well, I don't know, my git-fu isn't high enough yet to risk that on a 1GB repo ><
[11:39] <Tirili> After upgrading with slackpkg I get this error while booting: "No filesystem could mount root, tried: romfs
[11:39] <Tirili> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,2)"
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[11:39] <thrice`> Tirili: are you trying to boot the generic kernel?
[11:39] <Zordrak> Tirili: Boot the huge kernel
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[11:40] <Zordrak> Tirili: just running lilo ought to do it (like slackpkg told you to)
[11:41] <Tirili> thrice` How can I find out, which kernel I am trying to boot? :(
[11:41] <Zordrak> Tirili: Run
[11:41] <Zordrak> Tirili: lilo
[11:41] <Tirili> I did run lilo. Slackpkg even asked for it and I typed in "Y".
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[11:41] <The-spiki> Tirili: look at /etc/lilo.conf edit if needed then run lilo
[11:42] <Zordrak> ls -la /boot
[11:42] <Zordrak> see where vmlinuz is symlinked to
[11:42] <Zordrak> thats the kernel youre trying to boot
[11:42] <spook> quiz nights are fun
[11:42] <Camarade_Tux> driving me mad
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[11:42] <The-spiki> you probably need to change image line to image = /boot/vmlinuz-generic-smp-2.6.27.31-smp or image = /boot/vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.27.31-smp
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[11:42] <spook> for reference, my mate andy owes me big time for not cock blocking.
[11:43] <spook> yay spook is drunk
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[11:43] <The-spiki> spook: and gay?
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[11:43] <spook> The-spiki: what?
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[11:44] <The-spiki> spook: you did not block his cock :)
[11:44] <mancha>  /ban ubuntu
[11:44] <ubuntu> Hi. I am Tirili again from the broken pc.
[11:44] <quasar> troll.
[11:44] <The-spiki> you probably need to change image line to image = /boot/vmlinuz-generic-smp-2.6.27.31-smp or image = /boot/vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.27.31-smp
[11:44] <The-spiki> Tirili: look at /etc/lilo.conf edit if needed then run lilo
[11:45] <theblackbox> anyone know of an up to date ip forwarding/masquerading how-to for slackware? know mwalling had some firewall scripts and stuff up but can't remember where .... my brain is on holiday =S
[11:45] <Zordrak> theblackbox: man iptables
[11:45] <The-spiki> theblackbox: type mail
[11:45] <Zordrak> :)
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[11:45] <mancha> the masquerading howto fromalways is still current
[11:45] <The-spiki> theblackbox: there's quick info in Pat's wellcome mail.
[11:45] <spook> The-spiki: he had the chance to hook up, he did, and i didnt stop him, therefore i didnt cock block
[11:46] <theblackbox> =P ahh was rworkman not mwalling... bah, I need a rest.... or coffee
[11:46] <Tirili> moment please..
[11:46] <spook> i'm coherent drunk
[11:46] <The-spiki> spook: ah. i think i get it now... was kidding anyway :)
[11:46] <spook> like, balmer curve
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[11:49] <Camarade_Tux> thrice`: git clean -f -d .
[11:49] <spook> git is awesome
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[11:54] <Quiznos> damn, with startx, how do i name the ~/xorg.conf.new too use?
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[11:54] <spook> man startx?
[11:54] <Quiznos> well yea
[11:54] <Quiznos> but
[11:55] <Quiznos> doesnt say
[11:55] <spook> says same manner as xinit
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[11:56] <Quiznos> no, not in xinit.1 either
[11:56] <Quiznos> crap; it wont search ~ for the conf
[11:57] <BP{k}> X --config $CONFIGFILE ?
[11:57] <Quiznos> nop
[11:57] <Urchlay> only works if you're root, or else if the config file is in /etc/X11, I think
[11:57] <Quiznos> i restored a ln-s and x still wont find it
[11:57] <Quiznos> i'm root
[11:57] <Quiznos> i hate stoopit systems
[11:58] <Urchlay> it used to be something like "startx -- -config blah.blah"
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[11:59] <Urchlay> actually I think the option used to be "-xf86config", maybe it's now "-xorgconfig"
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[12:00] <Quiznos> -config
[12:00] <Urchlay> the -- is significant
[12:00] <Urchlay> startx [clientoptions] -- [serveroptions]
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[12:01] <Quiznos> yea
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[12:02] <Quiznos> i hate sw that lies to me
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[12:02] <Quiznos> nvid module exists, it's loaded, properly identd
[12:03] <Quiznos> x wont start; `no screens'
[12:03] <Quiznos> and fb and vesa mods found/loaded too
[12:03] <Quiznos> damn
[12:03] <Quiznos> where is the nvidia mod configure?
[12:03] <Quiznos> +d
[12:05] <spook> in xorg.conf
[12:05] <Urchlay> the kernel module doesn't really have config options, you just modprobe it (or the nvidia X driver does it for you)
[12:05] <spook> in device section
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[12:05] <Quiznos> yea
[12:05] <Quiznos> i actually know that.
[12:06] <Quiznos> well. stoopit system re-identified.
[12:06] <Quiznos> it's well past time that stuff is JUST supposed to work
[12:06] <Quiznos> i'm so tempted to install MGR
[12:06] <Quiznos> or Y
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[12:07] Action: BP{k} had never had a problem really with nvidia cards.
[12:07] <Quiznos> yea well it's either the xorg upgrade or the nvid upgrade.
[12:08] <Emeau> or both :))
[12:08] <Quiznos> i'm done with this.  bbl
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[12:10] <Urchlay> hm. I never knew cdrecord could ever pause and wait for input
[12:10] <Urchlay> Re-load disk and hit <CR>
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[12:11] <Quiznos> BP{k} neither have i
[12:12] <Urchlay> that would confuse the heck out of a frontend like k3b, I bet
[12:12] <TiriliOnKernelPa> ok, vmlinuz is currently linked to vmlinuz-generic-smp-2.6.27.31-smp
[12:12] <Quiznos> TiriliOnKernelPa do you need SMP?
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[12:13] <TiriliOnKernelPa> I dont know
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[12:13] <Quiznos> then use the other HUGE kernel or Generic
[12:13] <TiriliOnKernelPa> What does it depend on.
[12:13] <Quiznos> cpu
[12:13] <Quiznos> multiple core
[12:13] <mancha> cat /proc/cpuinfo, how many cores does it show?
[12:13] <Quiznos> multiprocessor
[12:13] <TiriliOnKernelPa> Core 2 Duo T5750
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[12:13] <Quiznos> ok that qualifies.
[12:14] <BP{k}> even on single cpu systems smp can't do any harm.
[12:14] <Quiznos> true; but it takes space.
[12:14] <TiriliOnKernelPa> cpu cores       : 2
[12:14] <TiriliOnKernelPa> What does smp stand for?
[12:14] <mancha> then you'd benefit
[12:15] <mancha> symmetric multiprocessing
[12:16] <TiriliOnKernelPa> ok. So shall I change that vmlinuz link to another file_
[12:16] <TiriliOnKernelPa> ?
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[12:18] <TiriliOnKernelPa> You must stop that kernel panic for me!
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[12:21] <TiriliOnKernelPa> Perhaps I try   ln vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.27.31-smp
[12:21] <TiriliOnKernelPa> vmlinuz
[12:21] <TiriliOnKernelPa> and then running lilo again_
[12:22] <Quiznos> tirili, what's the "Pa" mean?
[12:22] <TiriliOnKernelPa> PanicLaptop.. :/
[12:22] <Quiznos> :)
[12:22] <mancha> one less geographic entry
[12:22] <Quiznos> rush confesses to not being a "trekkie"
[12:23] <Quiznos> wow; Rush is gonna chat with BillShatner on his A&E show
[12:23] <spook> TiriliOnKernelPa: stop demanding, we'll help you if we want to.
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[12:23] <dorin_ro> hy all
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[12:26] <fire|bird> Greetings everyone. :)
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[12:26] <dorin_ro> i need help: i can not startxfce4 any longer (i use nvidia driver)
[12:26] <dorin_ro> everything was ok until today
[12:27] <Camarade_Tux> I hate that: webkit-gtk head/master now requires libsoup-2.27.91 which in turns requires glib2 2.21.3 !
[12:27] <Camarade_Tux> 2.21.3, it's an unstable glib2 release, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
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[12:28] <Dominian> dorin_ro: did you run xwmconfig.. select XFCE.. then do startx ?
[12:28] <Camarade_Tux> dorin_ro: and did you change anything?
[12:28] <fire|bird> y0 Camarade_Tux
[12:28] <Camarade_Tux> yoyo fire|bird, how's it going?
[12:28] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: excellent, thanks. you?
[12:30] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: fine except for murder ideas :)
[12:30] <dorin_ro> be back...
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[12:32] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: are they in relation to the webkit-gtk deps you mentioned above? :P
[12:32] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: yeah, exactly :)
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[12:32] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: for webkit-gtk head, you basically need libsoup head and glib2 head, no way I update glib2 to head
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[12:33] <Camarade_Tux> plus they sometimes require libsoup version that aren't available yet!
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[12:33] <thrice`> it's available, just beta
[12:33] <thrice`> er, not beta, but "unstable"
[12:33] <Camarade_Tux> thrice`: libsoup-2.27.91 isn't :p
[12:34] <Camarade_Tux> but glib2 is probably, yeah
[12:34] <thrice`> oh, 2.27.4 satisfied last time I tried
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[12:34] <Camarade_Tux> thrice`: I want back to a commit from the 18th of this month, should do it
[12:34] <Camarade_Tux> well, 13th actually
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[12:34] <Camarade_Tux> 18th would be the mean commit
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[12:35] <john_dee> here's the thing. i have grub installed to mbr. i want to install it to system root and then chainload it from another system's grub. what happens to mbr if i make grub-install hd(0,4) now? will it leave current record in mbr?
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[12:36] <spook> grub chainloading grub, sounds silly
[12:36] <mancha> it can be useful and one place lilo falls short
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[12:36] <john_dee> spook: well, i can install lilo to the current system, but why bother
[12:37] <spook> lilo can chain load
[12:37] <dorin_ro> it seems that i can start xfce4 only if i dont use nvidia driver ; when i use nvidia driver , my screen goes black (and turn off after)
[12:37] <mancha> not files
[12:37] <dorin_ro> any ideea?
[12:37] <john_dee> the case is osol will overwrite mbr in any case. and i want to leave my linux install accessible (chainloadable) after that happens
[12:38] <Camarade_Tux> ok, even libsoup2 2.27.90 also requires glib 2.21.3
[12:39] <thrice`> yeah, gnome + the gtk stack go hand in hand
[12:39] <spook> and both are written in an abortion of oo C
[12:39] <spook> which is the most horrible code ever.
[12:40] <Camarade_Tux> bah, requiring head everywhere is pretty bad imho
[12:40] <Camarade_Tux> if anything foes wrong in head of any, it fscks everything, and if you want to devel, you need to have everything to head, and I don't feel like updating
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[12:41] <Camarade_Tux> (especially since slackware taught me to always update everything, even though gtk maintains ABI compat)
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[12:42] <Camarade_Tux> thrice`: libsoup >= 2.27.90 requires glib2 >=2.21.3 but libsoup = 2.27.5 is ok
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[12:43] <Camarade_Tux> also, webkit-gtk rev 47489 is happy with this version of libsoup although it may 1- not compile 2- have troubles with the password saving api/features
[12:43] <thrice`> why not just use 1.1.10 or so? :)
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[12:44] <Camarade_Tux> thrice`: I'm writing ocaml bindings to webkit through gobject-introspection, so it's kind of development
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[12:47] <Tirili> My laptop has lost his panic now after linking the vmlinuz to huge-smp, booting from slackware cd, mounting sda2 to /mnt, copying /mnt/etc/lilo.conf to /etc/lilo and running "lilo" again. But this kernel, that is running now, is has it been newly compiled after that slackpkg update of today or is it an older version (from yesterday) ?
[12:48] <Camarade_Tux> wow, in italia, nobody won the whole lotto since six months ago
[12:48] <Camarade_Tux> the jackpot is 143 million euros!
[12:48] <jeev> how much is it now
[12:48] <jeev> damn
[12:48] <jeev> comrad, if i won that.. i'd give you a free VPS
[12:49] <Camarade_Tux>  ^^
[12:49] <Camarade_Tux> Tirili: uname -a
[12:49] <Camarade_Tux> shows the compile date
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[12:50] <heaumer> who could ever imagine uname was so dangerous ?
[12:50] <Camarade_Tux> lol :p
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[12:52] <Tirili> uname -a says 2.6.27.31-smp #2 SMP .
[12:52] <prodigal1> Gooooooood morning everyone
[12:52] <prodigal1> haha even tho it's 1 in the afternoon where i am
[12:52] <fire|bird> morning prodigal1
[12:53] <Camarade_Tux> evening :)
[12:53] <prodigal1> gonna try to take a shot of my desktop so you guys can see what you helped me create
[12:54] <prodigal1> oh, also, does anyone have a good network monitor program? I cant seem to find any installed with Slack
[12:54] <Camarade_Tux> people always tell me my desktop sucks ='(
[12:54] <Camarade_Tux>  \o/
[12:54] <Camarade_Tux> thrice`: compile failed
[12:55] <quasar> Camarade_Tux: same.. mostly because I put my start/K menu at the top of the screen instead of bottom ;)
[12:55] <hitest> bbl
[12:55] <fire|bird> later hitest
[12:55] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: Your desktop sucks. :P
[12:55] <hitest> later fire|bird:)
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[12:56] <Camarade_Tux> quasar: http://omploader.org/vMjZuNA
[12:56] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: ='(
[12:56] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: j/k :P
[12:56] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: still crying ='(
[12:57] <quasar> I like it... could never use it... but it looks good to me lol
[12:57] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: don't worry, be happy, your desktop isn't crappy. :)
[12:58] <Camarade_Tux> but you said it sucked, so you lied at least once, how can I know now? ='(
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[12:59] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: http://omploader.org/vMjZtNA
[12:59] <fire|bird> argh, paste fail
[12:59] <Camarade_Tux> it sucks
[12:59] <Camarade_Tux>  :)
[13:00] <prodigal1> please excuse my noobness, but how can i tell which drivers are installed on certain devices again?
[13:00] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: Wait, the link I posted last night of my desktop is the same as yours today. :P
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[13:00] <prodigal1> I want to know if I have the most up to date video card driver, I suspect I do not, as my max resolution is 1024x768
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[13:01] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: not exacttly: s/u/t/ :p
[13:01] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: haha, I fail again
[13:01] <Camarade_Tux>  :P
[13:02] <prodigal1> ??
[13:02] Action: Camarade_Tux can't remember 
[13:03] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: anyway, that link I posted is my desktop of pekwm :P
[13:05] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: it's pretty nice (I said it sucked before it even loaded :p )
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[13:05] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: :P
[13:05] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: hmmm, I could use pekwm
[13:05] <Necos_> nyao~~
[13:06] <fire|bird> heya Necos_
[13:06] <Necos_> hehe heya
[13:06] <Thom1> fire|bird, nice
[13:07] <Camarade_Tux> lol, I'm using make -j3 on webkit-gtk but the top cpu user is firefox ><
[13:08] <Dominian> I love being able to do make -j9
[13:08] <prodigal1> hey fire|bird how do i check to see what driver i have installed for my video card? it is an ATI RADEON XPRESS 200M IGP
[13:08] <Camarade_Tux> Dominian: I hate you :)
[13:08] <Dominian> :)
[13:08] <Dominian> it used to be make -j3
[13:08] <Necos_> lol
[13:08] <Dominian> :)
[13:08] <fire|bird> prodigal1: Hmm, I'm not sure, but that's the same card I have in my laptop. :P
[13:08] <Camarade_Tux> prodigal1: grep Driver /etx/X11/xorg.conf
[13:09] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: bah, I fail again, I should have thought of that. :P
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[13:09] <Camarade_Tux> or 'dmesg |grep -i tainted' :p
[13:09] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: fail :)
[13:09] <thrice`> if you read your /var/log/Xorg.0.log , you should be able to see it loading a certain driver
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[13:10] <Necos_> hehe
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[13:10] <prodigal1> fire|bird, are you able to run in resolutions higher than 1024x768??
[13:11] <thrice`> you're probably using the vesa driver, then
[13:11] <fire|bird> prodigal1: I don't have linux on the laptop yet, but in Windows, that's the max I can use.
[13:11] <prodigal1> thrice`, haha yea, vesa came up as a driver
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[13:11] <thrice`> did you set up your xorg at all?
[13:12] <prodigal1> fire|bird, oooh okay, if this is max, i'll probably just keep it like this
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[13:12] <fire|bird> prodigal1: yeah, I wonder if that isn't the max, although that seems low.
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[13:13] <prodigal1> I dont believe I did anything on my xorg, but i could be mistaken, lots of long long nights
[13:13] <prodigal1> fire|bird, well allow me to be the test dummy :)
[13:13] <fire|bird> haha
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[13:14] <Camarade_Tux> bah, I tried to quit a firefox tab with :q
[13:14] <thrice`> by default on 12.2, a simple "startx" will load the vesa driver at that crappy resolution.  this is not ideal
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[13:15] <prodigal1> thrice`, I see, I dont think I set up my xorg
[13:15] <thrice`> if you log out of X, and run "X -configure" as root, that'll give you a good file in /root/xorg.conf.new; move it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf , and then try to startx again (as user)
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[13:16] <prodigal1> thrice`, now this is just for devices? or would I lose the progress I've done on configuring my desktop?
[13:16] <thrice`> by desktop, do you mean kde/xfce?
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[13:17] <prodigal1> haha yes, I have to stop using doze terms
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[13:17] <thrice`> yes, those settings are completely independent :)
[13:17] <prodigal1> huzzah!
[13:18] <prodigal1> I believe trying to get a higher resolution is my last thing I want to do for the time being regarding my kde, then I want to start installing security software and network monitors, thanks again thrice`
[13:19] <thrice`> well, what I described will take ~ 10 seconds :)
[13:19] <prodigal1> oh awesome
[13:19] <thrice`> log out of kde; run "X -configure" as root, mv /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and then "startx" as user
[13:19] <prodigal1> and it will detect any newer drivers present on the system compatible with my display adapter?
[13:20] <thrice`> it'll try, yes ;)  usually it's pretty good
[13:20] <prodigal1> alrite, thanks a lot
[13:20] <prodigal1> see you guys after that and a coffee
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[13:22] <fredoslack> re
[13:22] <fire|bird> y0 fredoslack
[13:22] <Camarade_Tux> pouet
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[13:22] <fredoslack> hi fire|bird  :)
[13:23] <fredoslack> hi Camarade_Tux
[13:23] <fredoslack> :)
[13:23] <slackytude> y0 people
[13:23] <Thom1> hi slackytude and fredoslack
[13:23] <fredoslack> yep The-spiki
[13:23] <fredoslack> Thom1, *
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[13:25] <hiptobecubic> I see that it says that kernel.org and distro specific kernels shouldn't use the modules provided by kvm releases. why not?
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[13:46] <jeev> speaking of kernel.org, thought they were going to mirror slack ;/
[13:47] <Camarade_Tux> my brother a moment ago "hopefully I put underwear"
[13:47] <jeev> comrad: you kremlinians are weird
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[13:48] <Necos_> >.>
[13:48] <Necos_> i thought they did mirror slack
[13:48] <jeev> Necos_, how's the weather there
[13:48] <Necos_> gloomy as fuck >.>
[13:49] <jeev> ahh
[13:49] <jeev> the grass is always greener in glendale
[13:49] <Necos_> booooo!
[13:49] <jeev> hey, they're gonna bury michael jackson here lol
[13:49] <Urchlay> eh, jackson isn't buried yet?
[13:49] <Necos_> then the grass will get more white >.>
[13:50] <Camarade_Tux> he'll feed the grass
[13:50] <Urchlay> I mean it's been a couple weeks now
[13:50] <jeev> it's been almost two months heh
[13:50] <Urchlay> yeah
[13:50] <jeev> yea they're gonna bury him near my house, funnies.. when i say near, i mean ~5 miles
[13:50] <jeev> or less eh
[13:50] <Necos_> lol they left james brown in holding for 74 days or some shit
[13:50] <jeev> i dunno how many miles down into the core but haha
[13:50] <Urchlay> WTF, what good is being rich if you get treated that way?
[13:51] <jeev> Urchlay, greed
[13:51] <quasar> s/weeks/months/
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[13:51] <quasar> he died back in June
[13:51] <jeev> or maybe he didn't die/
[13:52] <Urchlay> maybe they filled him with zombie juice, and he's going to dance in the graveyard and eat brains for all time
[13:52] <Necos_> Urchlay: nothin good at all being rich
[13:52] <slackytude> except the having money part
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[13:52] <Necos_> lol it's thriller in real life!
[13:52] <Camarade_Tux> creve !
[13:52] <Camarade_Tux>  =)
[13:52] <jeev> no
[13:52] <jeev> except having money while you're alive
[13:52] <jeev> ;D
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[13:53] <Necos_> someone's gonna try to use that as a tourist attraction, that's why it's taking so long :P
[13:53] <quasar> someone stole his nose
[13:54] <Urchlay> quasar: yes, but that happened back in like 1986
[13:54] <Necos_> he didn't have a nose
[13:54] <Camarade_Tux> that was years ago -_-
[13:54] <Necos_> he gave it away to science
[13:54] <quasar> his prosthetic nose :p
[13:55] <Necos_> if you want to try and call it that :P
[13:55] <Necos_> brb, gotta move my car
[13:55] <fire|bird> Hey unobtainable|rivalries
[13:55] <fire|bird> I mean Urchlay
[13:57] <Camarade_Tux>  :)
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[13:59] <Urchlay> accordions|maskings
[13:59] <phillipsm1> has anyone on here had experience using a mybook or other ext. harddrive under slack? i'm considering getting one to back up my stuff. I don't really want to do rsync or anything i just want to be able to store my stuff on it
[13:59] <Urchlay> phillipsm1: external hard disks work just fine
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[14:00] <phillipsm1> ok...so its pretty much like a huge jump drive
[14:00] <Urchlay> I think KDE even magically mounts them for you these days
[14:00] <hiptobecubic> my stupid slackbuild isn't printing the package description at install time
[14:00] <Urchlay> (or anyway HAL does)
[14:01] <phillipsm1> cool...im just getting tired of saving my files on my ipod when i need to back them up. :)
[14:01] <Urchlay> hiptobecubic: means the slack-desc is messed up. Every line's supposed to start with packagenane: and it has to match the package filename
[14:01] <spook> jail break it and use ssh
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[14:01] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, i realize that. I've checked and double checked... i'm stumped.
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[14:02] <Urchlay> hiptobecubic: well, eh, stick it somewhere I can look at it?
[14:03] <Urchlay> I mean, a fresh set of eyes, and all that..
[14:03] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, http://gist.github.com/raw/171233/eae0dddd5692cd34b22064d0084add46b6bb7553/gistfile1
[14:03] <Keiffer> dudes, my internet connection sucks!
[14:03] <powtrix> only your? :D
[14:03] <Keiffer> all the day i got lag
[14:04] <rworkman> hiptobecubic: show the "ls" output of the resulting package.
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[14:04] <Urchlay> the slack-desc looks fine by itself anyway
[14:04] <rworkman> even better, paste the build script.
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[14:05] <Keiffer> Jeeez
[14:05] <Keiffer> Someone please measure my lag?
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[14:05] <Urchlay> heh, everyone pings him at once and lags him even worse...
[14:05] <quasar> Keiffer: I'd wait for the splits to stop
[14:05] <hiptobecubic> rworkman, http://gist.github.com/171235 http://gist.github.com/171237
[14:06] <Keiffer> A page full of people that leaved the channel and then  a page full of people that joined it
[14:06] <hiptobecubic> Keiffer, wikipedia "netsplit"
[14:06] <Keiffer> Received a CTCP PING 1250791522 134123 from Urchlay
[14:06] <Urchlay> whoa, neat: 14:06 CTCP PING reply from Keiffer: 1110055140.269 seconds
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[14:06] <Camarade_Tux> he lags quite a log :)
[14:06] <Urchlay> Creating Slackware package: /tmp/qemu-kvm-0.11.0-rc1-x86_64-1_jet.tgz
[14:06] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, wow.... you pinged him 35 years ago
[14:06] <Keiffer> Awesome, I have the same lag as Appolo13
[14:07] <Urchlay> hiptobecubic: get rid of the - in the version number
[14:07] <Keiffer> measurable in au
[14:07] <Urchlay> hiptobecubic: pkgtools gets confused if there are too many dashes
[14:07] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, oh.
[14:07] <Urchlay> make it qemu-kvm-0.11.0_rc1-x86_64-1_jet.tgz
[14:07] <Keiffer> quasar, splits?
[14:07] <Camarade_Tux> hmmm
[14:07] <Camarade_Tux> 20:09 [freenode] CTCP PING reply from Keiffer: 956266.176 seconds
[14:07] <Keiffer> A whole day?
[14:08] <Urchlay> (use sed or something: PKGVER=$( echo "$VERSION" | sed 's/-/_/g' )
[14:08] <hiptobecubic> ok thanks
[14:09] Action: Urchlay still hates dashes in package names
[14:09] <Keiffer> dudes, what's the cause? is the ISP hating me so much?
[14:09] <slackytude> probably using cisco switches
[14:10] <powtrix> 956266.176 sec = 11 days
[14:10] <Urchlay> wonder what's causing that
[14:10] <spook> sigh
[14:10] <powtrix> 1.07sec
[14:10] <spook> slackytude: wash your mouth out with soap
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[14:11] <Urchlay> Keiffer: I'm going to say you're using a broken IRC client
[14:11] <quasar> mmyeah
[14:11] <Camarade_Tux> he uses an 8 bit machine and the time overflows :)
[14:12] <spook> 1 bit machine
[14:12] <Urchlay> hey, my 8-bit IRC client doesn't have that problem... unless maybe you leave it connected for 3 or 4 days (it should flake out, I haven't tested it though)
[14:13] <slackytude> wrote it yourself?
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[14:13] <Urchlay> hm, he's using mIRC... it's awful, maybe, but it normally doesn't mess up ping responses
[14:13] <spook> whats the joke?  windows, a 32bit os, running on a 16bit shell, on an 8 bit kernel, on a 4bit processor, programmed by a 2bit company that cant stand 1 bit of competition
[14:13] <Urchlay> slackytude: yeah
[14:13] <slackytude> Urchlay, impressive
[14:13] <Keiffer> broken IRC? yesterday it work fite. Today even mozilla keep on disconnecting me
[14:13] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, yeah that did it.
[14:13] <quasar> Keiffer, in your ctcp replies does your "PING" say "nctcp %s PING %d" ?
[14:13] <quasar> he's using xchat
[14:13] <Camarade_Tux> Urchlay: well, 8bit should overflow within five minutes :p
[14:14] <Urchlay> slackytude: I used someone else's tiny TCP/IP implementation (uIP, designed to run on tiny embedded systems)
[14:14] <Urchlay> Camarade_Tux: not if the time value is stored in more than one byte
[14:14] <quasar> that's a clearly fake mIRC response (mIRC's doesn't tell people what verison of windows they're using) :p
[14:14] <slackytude> still, irc is lot of string mangling. ugly stuff
[14:14] <Camarade_Tux> Urchlay: well, yeah
[14:14] <Camarade_Tux> camlirc :)
[14:15] <Urchlay> Camarade_Tux: the Atari 800 ticks every 1/60 sec, and uses 24 bits to store the timer value... so after something like 77.7 hours, it wraps around
[14:15] <Urchlay> slackytude: and the code is consequentially quite ugly :)
[14:16] <Camarade_Tux> Urchlay: haha :P
[14:16] <Keiffer> quasar, it sais nctcp %s PING 5 seconds.. i made it this way
[14:17] <slackytude> Urchlay, heh
[14:17] <Urchlay> Camarade_Tux: the TCP stack uses that timer, and doesn't contain any checks to see if it overflowed, so I expect it to choke and die (I know how to fix it, too, just haven't touched the 800 in a couple months)
[14:17] <quasar> Keiffer: that's why we're getting the replies we are... PING replies with $1 (which is a number, usually equal to a timer that the return client can check against to see how long it was since the message was sent)
[14:17] <Urchlay> Keiffer: so, eh, you deliberately broke your IRC client?
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[14:18] <quasar> Urchlay: then he asks us to measure his lag :)
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[14:19] <Keiffer> Do you mean by this faking CTCP replies? i broke it if you say so...
[14:19] <Keiffer> dudes, i do get lag
[14:19] <quasar> Keiffer: we can't "measure" your lag with a broken CTCP reply
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[14:19] <Urchlay> Keiffer: you really are lagged (that ping took something like 10 seconds to come back)
[14:20] <Keiffer> how do i make it good again?
[14:20] <slackytude> reboot
[14:20] <Urchlay> heh
[14:20] <quasar> change it back to nctcp %s PING %d
[14:21] <Urchlay> Keiffer: that won't fix your actual lag problem, it'll just let us ping you and tell you how bad the lag really is
[14:22] <quasar> yeah, but at least then we can tell him if its getting better or worse lol
[14:22] <Keiffer> yep, i know Urchlay
[14:23] <Urchlay> I really ought to dig out the 800 and fire it up again. Coding for those old things is a lot of fun...
[14:24] <quasar> Keiffer: 21 sec
[14:24] <slackytude> is that C or something worse?
[14:24] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: guess the temp here :)
[14:25] <slackytude> 19C
[14:25] <Keiffer> 21 seconds... so i say something, and until il get your response i have time for sex
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[14:25] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: nah, 24C outside :)
[14:25] <slackytude> Keiffer, twice
[14:25] <spook> Camarade_Tux: thefuckingweather.com
[14:25] <hiptobecubic> I need some expert advice
[14:25] <hiptobecubic> but you all will have to do.
[14:26] <Keiffer> ping-ing google or yahoo does not give me any response. i am wainting for 4 mins
[14:26] <spook> hiptobecubic: abort the baby
[14:26] <hiptobecubic> Yeah that's what i was thinking too
[14:26] <hiptobecubic> ok thanks
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[14:26] <Camarade_Tux> thrice`: webkit-gtk is probably going to be a pain for distributions if they don't patch out the bits that require bleeding-edge libsoup
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[14:26] <Camarade_Tux> spook: "ITS FUCKING NICE" :)
[14:27] <spook> Camarade_Tux: well it is
[14:27] <Keiffer> PING cia.gov (198.81.129.125) 56(84) bytes of data.
[14:27] <Keiffer> ^C
[14:27] <Keiffer> --- cia.gov ping statistics ---
[14:27] Channel flood from Keiffer -- kicking
[14:27] <Keiffer> 268 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 267872ms
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[14:27] <slackytude> ITS FUCKING HOT
[14:27] <slackytude> no shit
[14:27] <quasar> lol
[14:27] <spook> lol.
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[14:29] <Keiffer> so, is my country under multiple nuclear attacks?
[14:29] <spook> yes
[14:29] <hiptobecubic> The software i'm trying to write a slackbuild for has a kernel module component. In order to use the software, one has to modprobe either kvm_amd or kvm_intel depending on your cpu and then run the program as root. To avoid using root, you can make the group kvm and make a udev rule to change the group of the /dev/kvm node that it uses.
[14:30] <hiptobecubic> So my question is... "what the hell?"
[14:30] <Keiffer> yes, "what the hell"
[14:30] <spook> hiptobecubic: write the script such that you put the files someone where, and require user intervention to set it up
[14:30] <hiptobecubic> put the files where?
[14:31] <spook> i dunno
[14:31] <hiptobecubic> There's no normal place?
[14:31] <spook> this isnt a normal situation
[14:31] <hiptobecubic> i see
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[14:32] <hiptobecubic> Where should the instructions go? In the README?
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[14:32] <spook> i really dont know how to go about it
[14:32] <hiptobecubic> hm
[14:32] <Camarade_Tux> wow, fedora going to use xz
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[14:34] <Keiffer> what causes could be? ISP problem? my machine problem?
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[14:35] <spook> Keiffer: ring them and complain
[14:35] <spook> just dont do it here
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[14:36] <Keiffer> I can't call them, cause i played again with ettercap and i don't want to hear complaints
[14:37] <spook> just dont do it here
[14:37] <Keiffer> do what?
[14:37] <spook> complain
[14:37] <Keiffer> i don't. i am seeking solutions.
[14:38] <Urchlay> hiptobecubic: instructions in the README
[14:38] <Urchlay> hiptobecubic: why not include the udev rule in the package?
[14:38] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, i'm working on it. I am reading about how to make udev rules.
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[14:39] <Urchlay> hiptobecubic: just make sure you treat the udev rule file as a config file (install it with .new and have the doinst.sh check for an existing file)
[14:39] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, yeah i realized that too.... never done that before either. :D
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[14:40] <Keiffer> why did you said, besides ctcp replies, that my irc client is broken?
[14:40] <Urchlay> Keiffer: I was only talking about your ctcp ping replies
[14:40] <quasar> 1 sec now :)
[14:41] <Urchlay> 14:41 CTCP PING reply from Keiffer: 0.396 seconds
[14:41] <Urchlay> much better
[14:41] <Keiffer> Yes, firefox too
[14:41] <Camarade_Tux> die die die!
[14:41] <fire|bird> live live live!
[14:41] <Camarade_Tux> no!
[14:41] <Urchlay> reanimate reanimate reanimate!
[14:41] <fire|bird> yes!
[14:42] <Urchlay> maybe!
[14:42] <Camarade_Tux> webkit-gtk is insane
[14:42] <rworkman> Urchlay: I'm not sure about that.  What's actually in that udev rules file?
[14:42] <rworkman> hiptobecubic: ^
[14:42] <Keiffer> i give you 40 camels for helping me
[14:43] <slackytude> 40 camels and your third wife
[14:43] <rworkman> Actually, it doesn't matter.   For 13.0, install the udev rules file to /lib/udev/rules.d/ without a .new extension.  Period.
[14:43] <Keiffer> + her 15 kids?
[14:43] <rworkman> It's /lib/udev even on x86_64, btw.
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[14:43] <hiptobecubic> rworkman, it will need to change the group of /dev/kvm from root to "kvm". It's the suggested way of doing it on the site.
[14:43] <Urchlay> rworkman: I suppose one rule, telling udev the permissions/mode of /dev/kvm... the user might for whatever reason want to change the user/group/mode, that's configuration
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[14:43] <Camarade_Tux> I give up
[14:43] <rworkman> If there's a local sysadmin need to override the rule, then you put a same-named rules file in /etc/udev/rules.d/ with the local version.
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[14:44] <Keiffer> i can now listen to gay music on youtube
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[14:44] <rworkman> It's analogous to how /usr/share/hal vs. /etc/hal works.
[14:44] <Camarade_Tux> *I* made webkit-gtk work on windows, *I* did that, but I give up on compiling webkit-gtk now, THERE MUST BE A REASON
[14:44] <hiptobecubic> rworkman, i see. ok thanks
[14:45] <dive> Camarade_Tux, what's the problem?
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[14:45] <Urchlay> rworkman: ah, the /etc/udev one will override the /lib/udev one... that's by rule name, or filename, or...?
[14:46] <rworkman> filename
[14:46] <Urchlay> nice
[14:46] <rworkman> e.g. /lib/udev/rules.d/01-my.rules would be overridden by /etc/udev/rules.d/01-my.rules
[14:46] <Camarade_Tux> dive: webkit head requires a bleeding-edge version of libsoup (which would be ok) but that version of libsoup needs glib2 2.21.3 which is not acceptable (it's and odd version which means it is unstable here and I won't use an unstable version of glib2 unless I run kde)
[14:46] <Urchlay> so /lib/udev files don't count as config files, gotcha
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[14:46] <slackytude> I understand udev by now, but hal is still a mystery to me
[14:46] <rworkman> Urchlay: correct
[14:47] <dive> Camarade_Tux, good choice
[14:47] Action: slackytude needs to check that
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[14:47] <Camarade_Tux> and btw, I say webkit head, but it's already a month old
[14:47] <Urchlay> Camarade_Tux: compile unstable glib2 with --prefix=/usr/local/glib2-test, and link libsoup against that version (there'll be a configure option to tell it where to find glib2)
[14:47] <t0f> i'm installing a new desktop. i've gotten it all installed, now i need to do my fine tuning. i need to compile 'mplayer', 'lame' & 'wine'. Can anyone think of any more software pkgs that i might want before i burn a dvd with the aforementioned packages?
[14:48] <Camarade_Tux> Urchlay: except that I'd have to compile pango, cairo, atk, gtk too
[14:48] <Camarade_Tux> Urchlay: and I'd probably have to update it in two weeks
[14:48] <Urchlay> Camarade_Tux: well, you play on the bleeding edge, sometimes you get cut :)
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[14:49] <Keiffer> maybe i've done something bad and i need to be punished??
[14:49] <dive> t0f, depends on the usage you want your desktop for. Most of us have prefered applications for various tasks. Best bet is to look at SBo for instance for what you need, also ask here, try out a few things and get alist made.
[14:49] <Urchlay> Keiffer: this isn't the right channel for your fantasies :)
[14:50] <voidpointer> there's somebody here that know the Dell Dimension XPS t450?
[14:50] <dive> t0f, take your time with it. No rush.
[14:50] <t0f> dive: i am taking my time. this p3 works nicly.
[14:50] <Camarade_Tux> Urchlay: webkit-gtk used not to be developped by people with @gnome.org in their email address, since that has changed, dependencies have become increasingly annoying
[14:50] <t0f> nicely
[14:51] <Camarade_Tux> and webkit-gtk should compile with gtk 2.10 or 2.12...
[14:51] <Urchlay> Camarade_Tux: maybe they'll rename it to webkit-gnome (at least then you can tell from the name that you don't want to mess with it)
[14:51] <t0f> dive: 'SBo'
[14:51] <dive> t0f, also realise that packages get upgraded all the time. Burning a dvd is probably not going to last long. Use tools like sbopkg etc to keep upgraded. SBo = http://slackbuilds.org
[14:51] <slackytude> time for cold beer
[14:51] <dive> yes please slackytude
[14:52] <dive> my thoughts exactly
[14:52] Action: slackytude dcc's a beer to dive
[14:52] <dive> cheers!
[14:52] Action: slackytude dcc's a *cold* beer to dive
[14:52] <dive> cheers++!
[14:52] <slackytude> might get warm when it travels through the pipe tho. Im no Scotty
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[14:53] <t0f> dive: ah, i see. well the 3ghz p4 doesn't even have my modem connected to it yet, so i am cp'ing source with cd/dvd burns
[14:53] <Keiffer> camd you and would you, if have 2 linux distros, use the same home folder? for irc logs, pidgin etc?
[14:53] <dive> t0f, ah right.
[14:53] <thrice`> Keiffer: absolutely
[14:53] <Urchlay> Keiffer: yes, although you might run into trouble with stuff like ~/.kde, if the two distros use different versions of KDE
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[14:53] <thrice`> Keiffer: if you made them on separate partitions :)
[14:53] <thrice`> er, made /home on its own partition
[14:54] <Keiffer> yes, home has it's own partition
[14:54] <dive> t0f, checkout sbopkg at sbopkg.org for auto(almost) download/package creation/install etc of SBo soft
[14:54] <t0f> dive: thanks
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[14:55] <Keiffer> i am researching ond how to encrypt it for both os-es. at the time i installed slackware i didn't made an encrypted root partition
[14:56] <hiptobecubic> so should my udev rule (65-kvm.rules) be it's own file or should it just be echoed from the slackbuild? it's only 1 line.
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[14:56] <Keiffer> so i don't know if it is possible or it's too late
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[14:56] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, inside slackbuild should be fine,imho
[14:56] <antiwire> http://www.getipv6.info/index.php/DNS_and_Naming_Issues
[14:57] <antiwire> good lord
[14:57] <Camarade_Tux> even when compiling, my computer doesn't get too hot :)
[14:57] <antiwire> 1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 IN PTR localhost.
[14:57] <antiwire> it has to be like that
[14:57] <slackytude> antiwire, easy to remebe
[14:58] <antiwire> lol
[14:58] <Keiffer> i can get an Ipv6 too??
[14:58] <antiwire> http://www.getipv6.info
[14:58] <antiwire> start reading
[14:58] <dive> hiptobecubic, hi mate. I have added some more slackbuilds for pidgin stuff to my w/site. Cured the x264 problem I had with 'ugly' too. Later if you like we can test again. Also I notice that one of the slackbuilds didn't support any ./configure stuff like libdir. I fixed that now. I would recommend downloading all the plugins again and installing.
[14:59] <t0f> dive: my largest challenge will be the custom kernel. but if it takes me til Christmas, all the better (:
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[14:59] <antiwire> hiptobecubic: did you get voice working yet?
[14:59] <hiptobecubic> dive, alright.
[14:59] <dive> t0f, yeah it's good thing to learn.
[14:59] <t0f> later all
[14:59] <Keiffer> antiwire, doing that
[15:00] <hiptobecubic> antiwire, Somehow, I don't have a mic lying around.
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[15:00] <Camarade_Tux> who was using his graphic card's memory as swap?
[15:00] <antiwire> hiptobecubic: damn it
[15:00] <hiptobecubic> Camarade_Tux, lol what?
[15:00] <Keiffer> how do you backup your systems? only home? whole / ?
[15:00] <antiwire> I rsync my whole / to a backup server
[15:00] <mintee> erm...  I need a perl script that requires user input to be ran at boottime, but I won't have the option to login to this machine.
[15:00] <Camarade_Tux> hiptobecubic: somebody here was doing that and I just saw a link to http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Using_Graphics_Card_Memory_as_Swap
[15:01] <hiptobecubic> Keiffer, I just throw my computer away a buy a new one.
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[15:01] <Camarade_Tux> hiptobecubic: throw it away at me :)
[15:01] <mintee> so i need to autologon, and then run the script, but i cannot determine how to autologin.
[15:01] <slackytude> uh, video memory as swap
[15:02] <Camarade_Tux> I need to get longet logs, lots of useful things on irc
[15:02] <Urchlay> slackytude: I used to do that
[15:02] <dive> not with my pos gpu you wouldn't ;-)
[15:03] <dive> right I'm off out buy some beer. Back later guys.
[15:03] <Urchlay> slackytude: had a 32MB nvidia card at my old job, using 2D only with the open source nvidia driver, so I told X to use half of it and I set up the other half as swap
[15:03] <slackytude> Urchlay, why doesnt that suprise me
[15:03] <slackytude> Urchlay, how do you addess it?
[15:03] <slackytude> Urchlay, you are a dam hacker, there is no helping you :P
[15:03] <Urchlay> it shows up as /dev/mtd0 or such
[15:04] <Urchlay> "memory technology device"
[15:04] <slackytude> when using the opensource nvidia driver?
[15:04] <Urchlay> any driver
[15:04] <slackytude> ah, right, Im on ATI
[15:04] <slackytude> heh
[15:05] <slackytude> was trying to find it, heh
[15:05] <Camarade_Tux> I probably have something like 256MB
[15:05] <slackytude> Urchlay, how is that performance wise?
[15:05] <Urchlay> basically you tell the kernel to map the video RAM as a device, it doesn't care where it lives... and you *had better* tell X not to use the same RAM for video memory!
[15:05] <Camarade_Tux> nope, 512MB!
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[15:06] <Camarade_Tux> seems to be doable with the proprietary driver too
[15:06] <slackytude> I dunno. that sounds desperate to me
[15:06] <Urchlay> slackytude: well, real RAM runs at front-side bus speed... video RAM on a PCI card runs at 33MHz, on AGP it's 33MHz times the "x2" or whatever more your AGP slot runs at, but only for writes (reads are still PCI speed IIRC)
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[15:06] <slackytude> Urchlay, so, why do it?
[15:06] <Urchlay> slackytude: but, RAM running at 33MHz is *much* faster than a hard drive, even if it's slower than your main system RAM
[15:07] <slackytude> true enough, but ram is cheap these days, a lot cheaper than video ram and you can use that as swap as well
[15:07] <Urchlay> slackytude: because the motherboard was maxed out on RAM, and the boss was too cheap to buy me a new one, and I was tired of spending my own money on it
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[15:08] <Camarade_Tux> I can use 256MB :)
[15:08] <Urchlay> actually, using real RAM as swap is useless (you're better off using it as regular RAM)
[15:08] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: laptop
[15:08] <slackytude> Urchlay, right, I didnt mean swap, I meant ramdisk. got confused there
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[15:08] <slackytude> altho I guess you could put a swapfile on a ramdisk
[15:08] <Camarade_Tux> oh, lspci -vvv gives 'Kernel driver in use' and 'Kernel modules', pretty nice
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[15:09] <Urchlay> you could use a ramdisk as a swap partition... doesn't make it a good idea :)
[15:09] <slackytude> probably not ^-^
[15:09] <Urchlay> if you think of the video RAM as being a tiny but extremely fast hard disk, it makes sense to use it for swap
[15:10] <Urchlay> I think maybe PCI express can run the video RAM at bus speed (or anyway faster than PCI/AGP did)
[15:10] <antiwire> you said ram, tiny, and extremely fast in the same sentence
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[15:11] <Urchlay> antiwire: what, is that some kind of demon-summoning ritual I accidentally invoked?
[15:11] <Urchlay> "I accidentally Beelzbub. Is this a problem?"
[15:13] <mintee> erm, anyone, autologin?
[15:13] <slackytude> depends on login manager
[15:14] <mintee> currently it's just agetty
[15:14] <mintee> i'm not init4
[15:14] <mintee> multiuser console
[15:14] <slackytude> dunno any for console
[15:15] <mintee> I tried this http://howto.wikia.com/wiki/Howto_enable_Linux_to_auto_login_at_bootup
[15:15] <mintee> and it works, but still asks for a passwd
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[15:15] <mintee> even though the pass is blank
[15:15] <Camarade_Tux> ok, make -j3 for webkit-gtk and make -j3 for the kernel :)
[15:16] <Keiffer> why is autlogin hard?? i don't understand
[15:16] <mintee> Keiffer, me neither :P
[15:17] <mintee> how can it be done?
[15:17] <antiwire> you want autologin at the CLI?
[15:17] <mintee> correct
[15:17] <antiwire> you need to replace getty with a shell program
[15:17] <mintee> Oh, really?
[15:17] Action: mintee tries
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[15:19] <antiwire> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3121
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[15:20] <gem_cat> please refresh my fuzzy memory - I need to install a driver for a pci wifi card - new install did not find it but there is a driver - first how do I tell if it is resident or where do I put it?
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[15:20] <thrice`> gem_cat: depends on the card - you may need to plop the firmware in
[15:20] <Keiffer> what irc client are you using?
[15:20] <antiwire> gem_cat: lspci
[15:21] <mintee> antiwire: thanks, looks like this might be what i need
[15:21] <gem_cat> i am xchat on laptop (winxp) Keiffer
[15:22] <Keiffer> i was asking everybody. a pool :)
[15:22] <gem_cat> driver I need appears to be called rtl8185
[15:22] <Keiffer> poll
[15:23] <antiwire> Keiffer: I run whatever you have installed on your rooted box
[15:23] <quasar> Keiffer: windows - mIRC, linux - xchat
[15:23] <Keiffer> antiwire, ha ha! :|
[15:24] <Keiffer> what's my desktop pic?
[15:24] <quasar> antiwire bangin your girl
[15:24] <gem_cat> antiwire, I did that and see the card listed as RTL-8185 I found a driver at Realtec and have downloaded it on my laptop
[15:24] <Camarade_Tux> gem_cat: which version of slackware are you trying? -current?
[15:25] <Keiffer> i don't have a girl, i am gay. so antiwire, you can root in me ;)
[15:25] <gem_cat> 12.2 Keiffer
[15:25] <quasar> wow.
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[15:27] <hiptobecubic> my udev rule doesn't seem to be working...
[15:28] <gem_cat> Camarade_Tux, I have ver 21.2 on cd so that is what I installed
[15:28] <slackytude> why not?
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[15:29] <mintee> antiwire: it's still prompting for a password
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[15:29] <hiptobecubic> slackytude, because i put it in the wrong directory.
[15:29] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, duh
[15:30] <Urchlay_> did I ever mention I *really hate* wireless?
[15:30] <acidchild> (07:00) < The-Croupier> acidchild ping
[15:30] <acidchild> who is awake at 7am?!?1
[15:30] <acidchild> jk, hi people
[15:30] <Urchlay_> particularly the kind where you use a shitty little netgear
[15:30] <nix_chix0r> acidchild, hai gangstaaah
[15:30] <acidchild> ezi hoodrat
[15:30] <acidchild> whagwan?
[15:31] <Camarade_Tux> gem_cat: I think it's in -current
[15:31] <nix_chix0r> nada
[15:31] <gem_cat> I thought that might be the case - how do I tell Camarade_Tux ?
[15:32] <Camarade_Tux> yo nix_chix0r :)
[15:32] <edman007> y0
[15:32] <nix_chix0r> yoyo
[15:32] <acidchild> waiting on some bomb cronic
[15:32] Action: edman007 wraps a rope around nix_chix0r and throws her off a bridge
[15:32] <Camarade_Tux> bah
[15:32] <acidchild> i mean, crontab
[15:32] <acidchild> ;p
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[15:33] <Camarade_Tux> ok, I'll just git checkout v2.6.30
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[15:33] <nix_chix0r> :(
[15:33] <acidchild> echo '/usr/sbin/bombcronicd -o please=1' > /etc/cron.hourly/bombcronicd
[15:34] <NyteOwl> edman007: should have used a bungee cord - more entertaining :p
[15:34] Action: NyteOwl ducks
[15:34] <acidchild> or a noose.
[15:34] <acidchild> ;/
[15:34] <edman007> acidchild, maybe it is a noose, i didn't specify where i wrapped it around her
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[15:35] <NyteOwl> <no comment>
[15:35] <NyteOwl> :)
[15:35] <edman007> NyteOwl, anyways, a bungee core is not as fun for me, not enough spinning on the way down
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[15:36] <mintee> yeah login -f USERNAME ; Used to skip a second login authentication. This specifically does not work for root, and does not appear to work well under Linux.
[15:37] <antiwire> then you need to find a program that does what you want
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[15:37] <antiwire> you could go search around yourself too
[15:38] Nick change: edman007 -> missyjane
[15:38] Nick change: missyjane -> edman007
[15:38] <dive> o0
[15:38] <dive> tranny
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[15:38] <missyjane> hi guys im back from my tests
[15:38] <edman007> uh oh...
[15:39] <mintee> antiwire, yeah, i already have been searching for a few hours...  I had already tried that trick actually, it was just slightly differnt.
[15:39] <missyjane> o.O uh oh what?
[15:39] <Camarade_Tux>  ^^
[15:39] Nick change: Urchlay_ -> Urchlay
[15:39] <edman007> missyjane, nothing
[15:39] <panzer> edman007: uh oh...
[15:39] Action: Camarade_Tux wonders if he's gonna noobfarm that :p 
[15:39] <dive> so missyjane, did they find you sane, or...?
[15:39] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, so, good or good?
[15:40] Action: dive has no idea what the tests were for :P
[15:40] <nix_chix0r> crazy tests?
[15:40] <edman007> dive, she is a schizo
[15:40] <fire|bird> hey nix_chix0r, how's it going?
[15:40] <fire|bird> y0 edman007
[15:40] <missyjane> dive lol huh? no the test was hard ><
[15:40] <edman007> o/
[15:40] <dive> lo fire|bird
[15:40] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, noobfarm :)
[15:40] <missyjane> i meant for college placement
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[15:40] <fire|bird> hey dive
[15:40] <dive> missyjane, best of luck then
[15:41] <nix_chix0r> goin to work
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[15:41] <fire|bird> dive: how's it going? Get any further with pidgin?
[15:41] <slackytude> missyjane, how was it?
[15:41] <missyjane> lol i hope i dont have to do math remedial >< cause math = hard
[15:41] <nix_chix0r> i got a promotion
[15:41] <slackytude> gratz
[15:41] <Keiffer> i've put crontab to run clvc and now o don't know hot to stop the repeating beep
[15:41] <nix_chix0r> danke
[15:41] <slackytude> ^-^
[15:42] <slackytude> Keiffer, your fail bus has arrived
[15:42] <dive> fire|bird, rechecked slackbuilds and remade a few, put them on w/site. Found a bug in one that meant it wouldn't build properly on _64 (not my error though ;-))
[15:42] <fire|bird> nix_chix0r: promption? awesome, congratulations.
[15:42] <Keiffer> i have it's PID,
[15:42] <Keiffer> kill won't work
[15:42] <Camarade_Tux> pkill cvlc
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[15:43] <Keiffer> nothing
[15:44] <Keiffer> 15435 pts/0    00:00:00 bash
[15:44] <dive> Keiffer, comment out line from crontab. kill -9 the process.
[15:44] <mancha> mintee, try ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/metalab/system/serial/getty/rungetty-1.2.tar.gz
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[15:45] <dive> (lights blue touch paper and runs)
[15:45] <StevenR_> oooo blue!
[15:45] <missyjane> so can anyone tell me how long the average college class is going to take? 3 hours? 1 hour?
[15:45] <dive> missyjane, that varies widely
[15:46] <missyjane> no average?
[15:46] <dive> nope
[15:46] <Keiffer> dive, it won't work. still repeating beep. and the PID is for bash... how do i see ALL processes?
[15:46] <dive> here at least
[15:46] <missyjane> where is here?
[15:46] <dive> Keiffer, ps aux
[15:46] <dive> UK missyjane
[15:46] <Urchlay> wait, what's causing beeps?
[15:46] <dive> doesn't it say in prospectus?
[15:47] <dive> Urchlay, pcspk (chortle)
[15:47] <missyjane> hm..
[15:47] <Camarade_Tux> building, building, building
[15:47] <missyjane> hi cam
[15:47] <mancha> this might not help as i think it just passes -f to login, which is the issue
[15:47] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: what are you building now? :P
[15:47] <dive> missyjane, you _did_ read the prospectus right?
[15:47] <edman007> missyjane, my school was 70 minutes for 3 credits and 140+10 min break for 4 credit classes
[15:47] <edman007> or around that...
[15:48] <Keiffer> thanks dude, you spared my eardrums. 24 ringtone on repeat
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[15:48] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: both webkit-gtk (I just check out a commit that should work but that is old and I won't try more) and the kernel
[15:48] <edman007> and you could do 3 credit classes that were the 4 credit length but only once a week instead of twice
[15:48] <Camarade_Tux> using ram as hard drive needs kernel modules
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[15:48] <missyjane> dive, whatas... prospectus?
[15:49] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: ah, cool. good luck with it. :)
[15:49] <Camarade_Tux>  :)
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[15:49] <missyjane> edman007, hm... i just dont want to go to class for 12 hours (4 class, 3 hours each) everyday
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[15:49] <missyjane> ill be too exhausted, cause then i have to travel there (2 hours travel time)
[15:49] <dive> missyjane, it's the book with details of your chosen course. Like which days/times the classes are, qualifications at end of course.. etc etc
[15:49] <Camarade_Tux> kernel built :)
[15:50] <edman007> missyjane, i loved doing that, 2 days a week spend 12+ hours at school, and then you basically have the rest of the week off
[15:50] <missyjane> dive... no such.. thing exist here
[15:50] <dive> hmm
[15:50] <missyjane> edman007, 2 days a week where 12 hours each day, i can PROBABLY do that but.. im not that smart, i am very slow
[15:50] <Camarade_Tux>  :)
[15:50] <missyjane> dive we choose our major, then we choose our class
[15:50] <mancha> mintee, still here? i figured it out
[15:51] <Keiffer> can i power up my pc from the internet?
[15:51] <Camarade_Tux>   \o/
[15:51] <edman007> and at college they should teach to research, so don't ask people things like "whatas... prospectus?" when you can do your own research
[15:51] <Camarade_Tux> Keiffer: wake up on lan: wol
[15:51] <slackytude> missyjane, what will you be getting? or what are you aming for?
[15:51] <Camarade_Tux> cat /proc/mtd
[15:51] <Camarade_Tux> dev:    size   erasesize  name
[15:51] <Camarade_Tux> mtd0: 0f000000 00001000 "VRAM"
[15:51] <Camarade_Tux>  \o/
[15:51] <Keiffer> Camarade_Tux, isn't that only for lan?
[15:51] <missyjane> edman007, that was a typo, my college doesnt have any of that stuff :|
[15:51] <edman007> missyjane, and i know some people that had 6 hour classes at my school
[15:51] <dive> Camarade_Tux, that doesn't work on innernets
[15:51] <missyjane> slackytude, probably just an associate degree :)
[15:52] <dive> Keiffer, yes that's lan only
[15:52] <edman007> missyjane, in what?
[15:52] <Camarade_Tux> dive: I was thinking about getting something on the same lan
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[15:52] <dive> Keiffer, I've no idea but I _would_ be interested if you find anything.
[15:52] <slackytude> eh, I know to little about your system
[15:52] <gdog> hi all I'm having problems with vsftpd oops 500 error missing value in  config file on start up.
[15:52] <missyjane> edman007, gonna do comp info sys
[15:53] <dive> Camarade_Tux, I use wol to wake desktop from laptop and ssh+expect to shut it down again. I. am. so. lazy.
[15:53] <edman007> ...everybody wants to do IT...
[15:53] <Keiffer> dive, electronics. an old mobile phone, attach some kind of switch circuitry so when it rings, it acts like the power button
[15:54] <dive> Keiffer, hmm this is interesting.
[15:54] <mintee> mancha: i'm here
[15:54] <Camarade_Tux> dive: good, you're a slacker :)
[15:54] <slackytude> ssh + expect? use keys
[15:54] <edman007> dive, i'm so lazy i don't even bother to set that stuff up and just use the power button
[15:54] <slackytude> err certs
[15:55] <dive> slackytude, yes
[15:55] <dive> slackytude, I only have no password ssh and need keys
[15:55] <slackytude> why expect then?
[15:55] Action: dive throws a brick at edman007 *bonk*
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[15:56] <dive> slackytude, to run a hibernate script when I type 'sleeppc'
[15:56] <edman007> ow...
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[15:56] <dive> slackytude, logs in, runs script, logs out
[15:56] <gem_cat> Camarade_Tux, the driver does not seem to be in ver 12.2 and the file I got from realtec appears to install a service - do you know of a package for slack?
[15:56] <missyjane> wait, so if i have 20 classes, that means ill have 20 finals to study for?!
[15:56] <fire|bird> haha
[15:56] <Keiffer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH6G5n3i_yY&feature=related wake over internet
[15:56] <fire|bird> missyjane: yup :)
[15:56] <slackytude> dive, sounds kinda overcomplicated
[15:56] <missyjane> :(...
[15:57] <slackytude> but, oh well
[15:57] <slackytude> bah, 20 is nothing
[15:57] <dive> slackytude, nah I needed to learn expect, so that was the first task.
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[15:57] <Camarade_Tux> gem_cat: bah, sorry, forgot to check, just a se
[15:57] <Camarade_Tux> c
[15:57] <slackytude> ah, i c
[15:57] <slackytude> got 20 in the first three semester
[15:58] <missyjane> hm..
[15:58] <acidchild> Feels Like: 39 Relative Humidity: 74%
[15:58] <acidchild> oohh summer
[15:59] <hiptobecubic> yeah no udev luck
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[16:00] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, why not?
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[16:00] <Camarade_Tux> gem_cat: is it wifi card?
[16:01] <gem_cat> oh yes
[16:01] <hiptobecubic> slackytude, not sure.
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[16:01] <Camarade_Tux> gem_cat: it should be supported in at least kernel 2.6.30
[16:01] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, did you reload udev? does the rule get applied to the device?
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[16:01] <hiptobecubic> slackytude, I have the rule in /lib/udev/rules.d
[16:01] <hiptobecubic> slackytude, it's not getting applied, but i can't see why
[16:02] <slackytude> but it gets loaded?
[16:02] <hiptobecubic> slackytude yes
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[16:02] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, whats the output of udevtest?
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[16:02] <Camarade_Tux> when was 12.2 already?
[16:02] <gem_cat> hm is that an optional kernel or do I need a new one
[16:02] <hiptobecubic> slackytude, command not found.
[16:03] <hiptobecubic> slackytude, udevadm has a test function
[16:03] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, udevadm
[16:03] <slackytude> yes
[16:03] <slackytude> im still on 12.1, I always confus that
[16:03] <slackytude> http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#testing
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[16:03] <Camarade_Tux> gem_cat: it's too recent for 12.2 (and -current too actually) but it seems the driver has been there for quite some time
[16:03] <powtrix> does find command have a "sort" options?
[16:03] <antiwire> I don't think slackware's login program supports authentication bypass
[16:03] <Camarade_Tux> like about two years
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[16:03] <antiwire> rungetty doesn't work either
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[16:05] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, paste your rule somewhere
[16:05] <gem_cat> i guess what i need to do is cart this heavy box upstares so I can hook it directly with a cable and upgrade the kernel online :(
[16:05] <slackytude> gem_cat, no network?
[16:05] <gem_cat> wireless network
[16:05] <slackytude> eh, nvm, stupid question
[16:05] <Camarade_Tux> gem_cat: actually I think you may have the good module already
[16:06] <gem_cat> ok but the install did not find it
[16:06] <dive> crap he's gone. Just did sudo ether-wake -i wlan0 -p $IP $MAC and it seems to work...
[16:06] <Camarade_Tux> oops
[16:06] <gem_cat> and it is not called rtl8185
[16:07] <Camarade_Tux> I just mkswap on my graphic card video ram and got a visual glitch at once :D
[16:07] <Camarade_Tux> 8180?
[16:07] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, need to tell X not to use ram, as Urchlay said
[16:07] <hiptobecubic> slackytude, yeah I did that.... here check: http://gist.github.com/171316 http://gist.github.com/171318
[16:07] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: nvidia proprietary driver :D
[16:08] <mancha> it can be done, i just helped mintee achieve it
[16:08] <gem_cat> i seem to remember running modprobe with the locator (00:08.0) does that work - I guess I can try
[16:08] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, does this get applied?
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[16:09] <dive> sounds like mountain climbing: 'Why make swap on video ram?' 'Because it's there.'
[16:09] <hiptobecubic> slackytude, no apparently not. although this has some error
[16:10] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, what error?
[16:10] <hiptobecubic> slackytude, oh... /dev/sys/kvm. I'm not sure why it's looking for that.
[16:10] <Camarade_Tux>  ='(
[16:11] <gem_cat> Camarade_Tux, if i knew the name of the module I could modprobe it, correct?
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[16:12] <Camarade_Tux> gem_cat: yeah
[16:12] <hiptobecubic> yeah i have no idea how this works.
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[16:12] <hiptobecubic> All i'm trying to accomplish is getting /dev/kvm to be root:kvm instead of root:root
[16:12] <dive> hiptobecubic, chgrp
[16:13] <hiptobecubic> dive, it's populated by udev
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[16:13] <hiptobecubic> dive, chgrp won't last past a reboot
[16:13] <dive> k
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[16:13] <Camarade_Tux> bah, I'll just compile it and see the name
[16:14] <ltbplinux> hi friends!
[16:14] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, if you want it to be in /dev you need symlink iirc
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[16:14] <ltbplinux> can someone tell me a good pdf editor for gnu/linux?
[16:14] <dive> with friends like these, who needs enamas?
[16:14] <slackytude> no, Im mistaken
[16:14] <dive> ltbplinux, editor or viewer?
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[16:14] <mancha> good luck editing
[16:15] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, should be rtl8180.ko
[16:15] <Camarade_Tux> gem_cat: ^^
[16:15] <dive> ltbplinux, open office, latex
[16:15] <Camarade_Tux> so 'modprobe rtl8180'
[16:15] <Pig_Pen> ltbplinux: OpenOffice can export documents as pdf, but it does not open too many PDF files created by other apps
[16:15] <hiptobecubic> slackytude, i don't put anything in /dev/. The device is put in /dev automatically.
[16:15] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, yeah, I was mistaken. care to paste the putput of udevtest?
[16:15] <gem_cat> it took that
[16:15] <mancha> probably easier to edit a postscipt document
[16:16] <gem_cat> the one from realtek is called rtl8185 but will see if that one works
[16:16] <ltbplinux> dive, i 'll try openoffice :)
[16:17] <dive> no easy way to open and edit pdfs :|
[16:17] <ltbplinux> Pig_Pen, i'll try...
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[16:17] <dive> ltbplinux, afaik you can only use it to create your own
[16:17] <hiptobecubic> slackytude, udevadm test
[16:17] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, yeah
[16:18] <dive> *realistically*
[16:18] <Camarade_Tux> gem_cat: the driver is called 8180 but everything says it handles 8180 and 8185
[16:18] <gem_cat> it modprobed without a complaint but still no eth1 showing
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[16:18] <ltbplinux> i would like to have a work like acrobat reader professional... highlight some words...
[16:19] <ltbplinux> some text... you know.
[16:19] <dive> ltbplinux, might be possible...
[16:19] <ltbplinux> insert comments ...
[16:19] <antiwire> Linux PDF editor
[16:20] <antiwire> it's insane but works
[16:20] <ltbplinux> ehehe antiwire ... insane from hell!
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[16:20] <ltbplinux> is it too difficult?
[16:20] <Pig_Pen> if you have a PDF file that is not too many pages you could copy & paste the text to an openoffice document then edit what you want, then export it as a PDF, (i done it that way before)
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[16:20] <antiwire> linux PDF editor is like the GIMP of PDF
[16:20] <ltbplinux> cool
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[16:21] <Camarade_Tux> ok, I'm ready to crash :)
[16:21] <Pig_Pen> 1. open with a PDf reader, 2. copy & paste text to OOo doc, 3. ???? 4. PROFIT!
[16:21] <ltbplinux> Pig_Pen, good idea.
[16:21] <Camarade_Tux> \o/
[16:21] <Camarade_Tux> I have a 80MB swap! \o/
[16:21] <gem_cat> Camarade_Tux, what about the service
[16:21] <dive> ltbplinux, http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/open-source-linux-pdf-writer.html
[16:22] <Camarade_Tux> gem_cat: no need if you use the kernel module
[16:22] <edman007> i have 0 swap!
[16:22] <Camarade_Tux> doh!
[16:22] <Camarade_Tux>  Timing buffered disk reads:   26 MB in  3.09 seconds =   8.41 MB/sec
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[16:23] <gem_cat> good enough Camarade_Tux but sofar no ifconfig
[16:23] <Camarade_Tux> edman007: I'm using 0MB but it's 80MB on the graphic card memory
[16:23] <Camarade_Tux>  :D
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[16:23] <Camarade_Tux> gem_cat: what does dmesg say?
[16:23] <edman007> ohh, nice
[16:24] <ltbplinux> dive, this!!!!
[16:24] <edman007> Timing buffered disk reads:  454 MB in  3.01 seconds = 150.74 MB/sec
[16:24] <edman007> Camarade_Tux, :P
[16:24] <hiptobecubic> slackytude, it's not useful. it says the same thing no matter what i test
[16:24] <edman007> and my cached is crazy: Timing cached reads:   11308 MB in  2.00 seconds = 5660.21 MB/sec
[16:24] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, uh, no.
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[16:24] <edman007> 5.6GB/s to the controller, lol
[16:24] <hiptobecubic> slackytude, absolutely yes.
[16:25] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, whats your command? just paste it
[16:25] <gem_cat> Camarade_Tux, it lists if but is not assigned to eth1 as expected
[16:25] <hiptobecubic> udevadm test /dev/kvm
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[16:26] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, nope
[16:26] <Camarade_Tux> gem_cat: :)
[16:26] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, it expects a /sys path
[16:26] <hiptobecubic> slackytude, nope what?
[16:26] <slackytude> udevadm test /sys/block/loop1/
[16:26] <hiptobecubic> slackytude, oh, i suppose i don't know the different
[16:26] <hiptobecubic> difference*
[16:26] <hiptobecubic> ohhhh!!!!! as in from /sys
[16:26] <slackytude> give it the /sys path to kvm
[16:27] <gem_cat> Camarade_Tux, "rtl8180 0000:00:08.0 found PCI INT A -> IRQ 5" is what it says
[16:27] <dive> ltbplinux, pdfedit doesn't compile here. Need to patch it I think. Give me a while and I'll see what I can do.
[16:27] <gem_cat> how do I tell it that is eth1 ?
[16:27] <Camarade_Tux> otoh, hdparm -tT /dev/mem or /dev/ram0 gives about 250MB/s
[16:28] <Camarade_Tux> gem_cat: run 'iwlist s'
[16:28] <slackytude> iwlist expects a device
[16:28] <slackytude> interface I mean
[16:28] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: iwlist s will try all the interfaces
[16:29] <slackytude> duh
[16:29] <Camarade_Tux> eth0      Interface doesn't support scanning.
[16:29] <ltbplinux> dive, ok
[16:29] <Camarade_Tux> wlan0     Failed to read scan data : Network is down
[16:29] <slackytude> must be the heat  >_>   <_<
[16:29] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: bah, I don't believe you: it's cool here :)
[16:29] <slackytude> no, its hot
[16:29] <gem_cat> Camarade_Tux, yes I see my eth0 but still no eth1
[16:30] <Camarade_Tux> gem_cat: what does 'iwlist s' list? any wlan0?
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[16:31] <antiwire> bring the interface up if it is not already up
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[16:31] <gem_cat> yes wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning: Network is down
[16:32] <gem_cat> maybe I should pull the eth0 card
[16:32] <antiwire> then try bringing it up
[16:32] <antiwire> ifconfig wlan0 up && iwlist wlan0 scan
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[16:33] <hiptobecubic> slackytude, how do i figure out what's what in /sys.... it's not obvious
[16:34] <Camarade_Tux> woops, I died :)
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[16:34] <Camarade_Tux> edman007: :)
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[16:34] <gem_cat> still no eth1 Camarade_Tux
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[16:35] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, good question
[16:35] <slackytude> I guess /sys/kernel/modules might be a good start
[16:36] <slackytude> find maybe?
[16:36] <Camarade_Tux> mkfs.ext2 /dev/mtdblock0 wasn't a good idea :)
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[16:38] <slackytude>   /sys/devices/virtual/misc/kvm
[16:38] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, ^
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[16:40] <hiptobecubic> heyoooo
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[16:41] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, ?
[16:41] <hiptobecubic> slackytude, your path worked
[16:41] <hiptobecubic> and it looks like it's being picked up properly
[16:41] <gem_cat> Camarade_Tux, how do I tell it this card is eth1?
[16:41] <slackytude> output?
[16:42] <gem_cat> or maybe just that it is an eth?
[16:42] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, so it gets applied?
[16:42] <hiptobecubic> slackytude, yeah but now i don't think i wanted to do that in the first place :D
[16:42] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, pastebin!
[16:42] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, O_o
[16:43] <slackytude> whut,whut?
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[16:45] <slackytude> oh weill
[16:45] <slackytude> Im going to sleep
[16:45] <hiptobecubic> uhhh
[16:45] <slackytude> whut?
[16:46] <hiptobecubic> hold on, i can't read what you're saying... or what i'm saying
[16:46] <hiptobecubic> and everything is yellow
[16:46] <slackytude> call an ambulance
[16:46] <hiptobecubic> :D
[16:46] <hiptobecubic> i can read it if i highlight it
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[16:48] <hiptobecubic> well restart x i tuess...
[16:48] <Camarade_Tux> gem_cat: well, I don't know, so, what is the name for your card? :D
[16:48] <hiptobecubic> brb yo
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[16:53] <gem_cat> Camarade_Tux, "rtl8180 0000:00:08.0 found PCI INT A -> IRQ 5" is what it says
[16:53] <Camarade_Tux> gem_cat: but that doesn't give you the name at all :P
[16:53] <gem_cat> so I guess the 08.0 is the location
[16:53] <acidchild> Dominian: ping.
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[16:53] <acidchild> anyone know any websites that will provide webmail... but you input your own email details?
[16:53] <edman007> i killed him
[16:53] <Camarade_Tux> gem_cat: run 'iwlist s'
[16:54] <acidchild> my gf's laptop died so now she has no claws mail ;/ or email access
[16:54] <edman007> acidchild, gmail...
[16:54] <acidchild> gmail will connect to your own email? like foo@company.org ?
[16:54] <edman007> yes
[16:54] <acidchild> okey!
[16:54] <gem_cat> Camarade_Tux, i did that - it lists my eth0 nic
[16:54] <antiwire> google started that whole managed email thing a few months ago i think
[16:54] <antiwire> edman007: you use it?
[16:55] <Camarade_Tux> gem_cat: but is there a card it doesn't say 'Interface doesn't support scanning.' ?
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[16:55] <gem_cat> Camarade_Tux, yes I get the full thing - for the card eth0
[16:55] <dhw> man was I sick last night
[16:55] <gem_cat> which is my regular wired nic
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[16:56] <edman007> antiwire, no...i got my own domain, use my own servers, and my webmail is squirrelmail
[16:56] <Camarade_Tux> gem_cat: if you get scan results for eth0 then it's your wireless card, the names can sometimes change
[16:56] <acidchild> thanks edman007 and antiwire
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[16:57] <gem_cat> in dmesg the eth0 is clearly not the wireless card
[16:57] <edman007> acidchild, actually, i think gmail will only do POP3, i don't see an imap option...
[16:57] <antiwire> I'm pretty sure it does IMAP for your own domain if you pay for it. I use gmail IMAP for thunderbird as it is
[16:58] <Dominian> acidchild: PONG!
[16:58] <edman007> ehh, i don't see it...
[16:58] <acidchild> edman007: oh crap :/
[16:58] <acidchild> Dominian: webmail on spy? yes or no? ;/
[16:58] <missyjane> has anyone ever brought up google privacy issue here?
[16:58] <acidchild> couldn't find it in the httpd.conf
[16:58] <Dominian> acidchild: What about it..?
[16:58] <Dominian> acidchild: oh.. no
[16:58] <Dominian> acidchild: I had webmail tied to my VPS
[16:58] <Dominian> however!
[16:58] <Dominian> :)
[16:58] <acidchild> yah, does that work with my email?
[16:58] <acidchild> for my gf.. to get on her email
[16:59] <antiwire> missyjane: sure all the time
[16:59] <cadmium_> i'm to lazy to use webmail.. i couldn't be bothered with going to a website
[16:59] <Dominian> I can probably put another instlaltion of squirrel on my mail server.. and configure it to use spy
[16:59] <acidchild> is that a 2second job?
[16:59] <antiwire> cadmium_: you don't need to go to a website if you use IMAP/POP with gmail
[16:59] <gem_cat> it says :eth0: Tealtek RTL-8029 found at 0xd800, IRQ 10, 52:54:00:e5:75:f3.
[16:59] <Dominian> acidchild: Supposedly I can setup sep stuff for diff domains with squirrel.. just have to figure out how
[16:59] <antiwire> I only ever use thunderbird
[16:59] <Dominian> acidchild: its not hard to do
[16:59] <Dominian> just gonna need time to look into it
[16:59] <acidchild> Dominian: she's ripping her hair out atm
[16:59] <prodigal1> for all the people who helped me set up my kde and everything else, here's the finished product: http://i25.tinypic.com/xlxusx.jpg
[16:59] <antiwire> anything that is sensitive gets encrypted with gpg anyway
[16:59] <acidchild> the laptop died.. like 100$ dead
[16:59] <Dominian> doh
[16:59] <Dominian> ok..
[16:59] <Dominian> hrm
[16:59] <acidchild> yah........
[16:59] <edman007> acidchild, squirrelmail is just a PHP IMAP client
[16:59] <prodigal1> let me know what you thinks
[16:59] <Dominian> oh wait I have an idea
[16:59] <missyjane> antiwire, my concern is how google archive and saves your email (and backs it up) with no schedule to prune it
[17:00] <gem_cat> Camarade_Tux, which looks correct for the rtl-8029 card
[17:00] <edman007> horde is similar
[17:00] <jeev> slackware
[17:00] <acidchild> Dominian: i need access to the mailbox or i'd just forward.
[17:00] <Dominian> acidchild: do me a favor
[17:00] <acidchild> sure?
[17:00] <jeev> acidchild, i have access to your girlfriend's email, want me to do anything ?
[17:00] <Dominian> acidchild: point webmail.7a69.co.uk at  216.23.240.160
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[17:00] <acidchild> okey
[17:00] <Dominian> acidchild: I'll re-enable webmail on my server for that domain
[17:00] <antiwire> missyjane: it doesn't matter if you take the proper precautions
[17:01] <missyjane> antiwire, hm? how so?
[17:01] <cadmium_> i think the cia are monitoring gmail and facebook
[17:01] <missyjane> cadmium_, they certainly are
[17:01] <jeev> cadmium_, duh
[17:01] <missyjane> cia = worst organization in the world (beside 731)
[17:01] <antiwire> I just said, to begin with I encrypt anything that is sensitive and I keep my own backups.
[17:01] <NyteOwl> NSA not CIA
[17:01] <cadmium_> just stating the obvious :)
[17:01] <jeev> cia, nsa, mossad. all terrorist organizations
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[17:02] <dive> it's all terror
[17:02] <acidchild> Dominian: done
[17:02] <dive> 'shock and awe'
[17:02] <jeev> control the doofuses, those agencies rule the world
[17:02] <NyteOwl> dive: Hitler called it Blitzkrieg
[17:02] <gem_cat> emacs has a mode that inserts flags in your text so cia has to read every letter ;)
[17:02] <dive> NyteOwl, yep
[17:02] <dive> gem_cat, while vim supports 3rd world orphans
[17:03] <cadmium_> social networking sites are of the devil
[17:03] <jeev> anyone have a palm pre ?
[17:03] <Dominian> acidchild: Ok so now.. you'll probably have to make an anetry in /etc/hosts to make that work for now
[17:03] <prodigal1> i do not have facebook, i have a gmail account but only because my University uses gmail because our president is afraid to invest money into technology
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[17:03] <jeev> cadmium_, how about that tweeter shit.. i hate it
[17:03] Action: prodigal1 sighs
[17:03] <Dominian> acidchild: once DNS populates you can remove it.. but it apears to be working.
[17:03] <Dominian> acidchild: so make that /etc/hosts file update for webmail.7a69.co.uk pointing at that same IP and test it
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[17:03] <missyjane> bah
[17:03] <missyjane> im gonna try to get my mind off by napping brb
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[17:03] <acidchild> Dominian: hosts file on which?
[17:04] <antiwire> There is only a privacy issue with gmail if you let one exist. Google allows third party clients via pop and imap. that takes care of the encryption AND backup issues.
[17:04] <Dominian> acidchild: On her machine
[17:04] <acidchild> Dominian: so does webmail.slack.... work for 7a69 now?
[17:04] <Dominian> acidchild: no
[17:04] <acidchild> oh its winblowz.
[17:04] <Pig_Pen> prodigal1: your university president could set up Linux and a mail server on used PCs for cheap
[17:04] <Dominian> acidchild: webmail.slackadelic.com is located on a nother server
[17:04] <acidchild> her parents computer.
[17:04] <jeev> Pig_Pen, calm down.. it's a university lol
[17:04] <Dominian> acidchild: ok no worires go to: C:\windows\system32\driver\etc
[17:04] <acidchild> hehe
[17:04] <cadmium_> yeah fuck twiter and everyone who ever used it\
[17:04] <Dominian> there's a hosts file in there..
[17:04] <acidchild> she can wait.
[17:04] <Dominian> k
[17:04] <Dominian> let me see if I can get webmail.slackadelic.com to work...
[17:04] <acidchild> but.. how is that gonna help/ ii dont think webmail is on spy
[17:05] <Pig_Pen> jeev: if i was any calmer i would be unconscience
[17:05] <dive> cadmium_, it's just the fad of the moment. No need to get worked up ;-)
[17:05] <Dominian> ooo
[17:05] <Dominian> acidchild: :)
[17:05] <antiwire> If what you're sending is so sensitive that you don't want a government agency or your email provider to read it you and your communication partner should take the proper steps the ensure confidentiality
[17:05] <acidchild> :o
[17:05] <acidchild> o:
[17:05] <jeev> haha
[17:05] <dive> cadmium_, we are in text land and that is fine.
[17:05] <jeev> how's the potato peeling going
[17:05] <Dominian> acidchild: its called "configuring squirrelmail to use IMAPS to auth/get email"
[17:05] <cadmium_> dive yes.. all will pass in due time..
[17:05] <acidchild> Dominian: :P
[17:05] <Dominian> apparently there's a vlogin plugin for squirrelmail
[17:05] <Pig_Pen> i have a bucket full of peeled taters waiting for the water to boil
[17:06] <Urchlay> a pot o' toes?
[17:06] <slackytude> taters ftw
[17:06] <Dominian> acidchild: wait one
[17:06] <acidchild> yep =]
[17:06] <prodigal1> Pig_Pen, honestly, its pathetic what it's like at my school. Embarassing even, we don't have any wireless, not even hot spots or anything, because he's afraid it will give us all cancer...
[17:06] <gem_cat> Camarade_Tux, is there some reason slack is not looking for a second nic? would it help to pull the card 0
[17:06] Action: prodigal1 dies a little
[17:06] <dive> cadmium_, as far as I'm concerned keep the sheep on twitter and have them leave irc alone. ;-)
[17:06] <slackytude> taters is tolkien, or is it?
[17:06] <mancha> too late, irc is filled with sheep
[17:06] <Urchlay> slackytude: huh?
[17:06] <acidchild> twitter = 2009 version of irc.
[17:06] <acidchild> ;/
[17:07] <Pig_Pen> if wifi could cause cancer from the RF then the local TV and radio stations would have doomed humanity a long time ago
[17:07] <acidchild> i'd like to see operah promote DALnet
[17:07] <prodigal1> yea, he's been told this many times before
[17:07] <acidchild> lolol
[17:07] <cadmium_> dive yes yes... i am safe here... there is a slight IQ barrier associated with irc which keeps out most of the creetans
[17:07] <prodigal1> mocked and made an idiot of
[17:07] <Urchlay> acidchild: it's only a matter of time before someone writes an irc-to-twitter proxy (like btlbee does for IM protocols)
[17:07] <Camarade_Tux> gem_cat: the trouble is that if interface X gives scan results, no matter its name, X is the wireless card :P
[17:07] <acidchild> Urchlay: yeah for sure, i already wrote one
[17:07] <acidchild> ;/
[17:07] <NyteOwl> prodigal1: I woukldn't have wireless either if I was the sysadmin but not for that reason. wired is more secure :)
[17:07] <acidchild> a twitter perl bot.
[17:07] <mancha> cadmium, no longer true, avg iq is near 0 now
[17:07] <dive> cadmium_, although there _are_ plenty on irc ;-)
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[17:08] Action: acidchild pets dive the sheep
[17:08] <Urchlay> acidchild: the average intelligence and language skill levels are probably low enough that your bot would pass a Turing test
[17:08] <NyteOwl> acidchild: twitter perl bot? what a waste of programming time heh
[17:08] <prodigal1> NyteOwl, yea, but a few thousand students all looking for ethernet ports, not to mention vandalism of the ports etc. gets a little on my nerves
[17:08] Action: dive shoots acidchild in the foot. Dance.
[17:08] <acidchild> NyteOwl: totally.
[17:08] <acidchild> =P was good way of learning Net::IRC
[17:08] <acidchild> =)
[17:08] <Dominian> acidchild: I'll have a look at it here shortly
[17:08] <Dominian> it appears this vhost plugin will work
[17:09] <Dominian> but its going to take some configuration
[17:09] <Urchlay> I mean that's one way to make AI: make people get dumber, until you end up with people that are as dumb as a perl script
[17:09] <acidchild> Dominian: that would be fucking awesome, thanks dude
[17:09] Action: slackytude 's uni got campus wide wifi, y0
[17:09] <cadmium_> i'm going to hire a real human to sit in my place when i am not present on irc...
[17:09] <acidchild> throw me an email if you need any help at all.. thanks dude. i got company shortly
[17:09] <slackytude> direct connection to a backbone pipe as well
[17:09] <prodigal1> Does ANYONE know why every time I go to build a slackbuild for a package with LUA support, it tells me I am missing a liblua.so file that I can CLEARLY see
[17:09] <Urchlay> Dominian: actually hey, I meant to ask a favor of you...
[17:10] Action: NyteOwl wands an OC3 all to himself
[17:10] <prodigal1> because it is starting to annoy me
[17:10] <Pig_Pen> was lua built with --enable-shared ?
[17:10] <NyteOwl> s/wands/wants/
[17:10] <dive> prodigal1, does running ldconfig help?
[17:10] <Urchlay> prodigal1: possibly pkgconfig is screwed up, so everything's looking in the wrong place for liblua.so?
[17:10] <prodigal1> Urchlay, it's looking in the correct dir but saying it doesnt exist when it does
[17:11] <Pig_Pen> <library_name>.so (that so means "shared object")  (i belive)
[17:11] <Urchlay> prodigal1: run "ldd liblia.so", see if you get any "not found" errors
[17:11] <dive> prodigal1, and are we talking all build scripts from SBo?
[17:11] <Urchlay> er, liblua.so, whatever it's called, run ldd on it
[17:12] <gem_cat> Camarade_Tux, again would it help to pull the regular nic card?
[17:12] <prodigal1> if the package has LUA support, I get this error, unless i flag --disable-lua=yes \
[17:12] <slackytude> gem_cat, nope
[17:12] <cadmium_> all hail Urchlay !
[17:12] <Pig_Pen> ldd /usr/lib/liblua.so  ?
[17:12] <Urchlay> a whaaa? Oh, my, yes, all hail me!
[17:12] <slackytude> gem_cat, you might be missing firmware or something. anyway,pulling a nic wont help
[17:12] <prodigal1> Urchlay, ldd gives me a not found error
[17:13] <dive> Urchlay, later
[17:13] <gem_cat> thats what I thought slackytude - I just need to tell slack the second card is a nic
[17:13] <Camarade_Tux> gem_cat: no
[17:13] <Urchlay> prodigal1: that's why linking fails... gotta make sure liblua's shared library deps are present
[17:13] <Urchlay> prodigal1: welcome to the Linux equivalent of DLL Hell :)
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[17:14] <slackytude> dependency hell
[17:14] <prodigal1> Urchlay, haha well I'm a noob, so better to encounter it now
[17:14] <Urchlay> dive: eh? later what? you gone?
[17:14] <Urchlay> prodigal1: where'd you get that liblua.so from?
[17:14] <dive> Urchlay, I was gone long ago..
[17:14] <prodigal1> it was installed when I installed the lua slackbuild last night
[17:15] <dive> Urchlay, no I meant we'll hail you later (when the results come in)
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[17:15] <Urchlay> cadmium_: hey, long time to talk to
[17:15] <cadmium_> hey there good sir
[17:15] <slackytude> I shall be going offline
[17:15] <Urchlay> dive: oh, right, after I've won the election for Deity of the Universe
[17:15] <slackytude> have a good night
[17:15] <prodigal1> Urchlay, it was installed with LUA from a slackbuild
[17:15] <dive> heh
[17:15] Action: slackytude waves o/
[17:16] <cadmium_> Slackware for President.. freebsd for vice president...
[17:16] <Camarade_Tux> \o slackytude
[17:16] <Dominian> Urchlay: what's that/
[17:16] <Urchlay> prodigal1: you used a slackbuild, which built a package? or you downloaded a package (a .tgz or .txz file) and installed that with installpkg?
[17:16] <Urchlay> Dominian: pm?
[17:16] <Dominian> Urchlay: sure
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[17:16] <prodigal1> Urchlay, I used a slackbuild, which built a .tgz which I installed with installpkg
[17:18] <cadmium_> i need to patch in rrd_update function into ping.c so i can record stats in my rrdatabase
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[17:19] <Urchlay> prodigal1: weird. Usually, when you do that, you're guaranteed that all the deps are present (otherwise the build would have failed)
[17:19] <prodigal1> looking over google, I have found some people complain about missing a .so.5 file
[17:19] <Urchlay> prodigal1: unless you've maybe removed some packages since then?
[17:20] <prodigal1> Urchlay, naw, this was just last night, I didnt mess around with it
[17:20] <Urchlay> can you pastebin the results of "ldd liblua.so" on something like www.pastebin.ca?
[17:20] <prodigal1> Urchlay, strange thing is, I was receiving the message with my conky install last night
[17:21] <prodigal1> Urchlay, but I simply added --disable-lua \ to the config and it worked fine
[17:21] <Urchlay> you're on what? plain ol' Slackware 12.2, not running -current and/or 64-bit, right?
[17:21] <prodigal1> Urchlay, I did the same thing with this one and it didnt work
[17:21] <prodigal1> Urchlay, I believe i'm on 64bit
[17:22] <Urchlay> eh, sometimes --disable-whatever options don't get all that well-tested by the developers
[17:22] <Urchlay> you ought to know if you're on 64-bit... what does "cat /etc/slackware-version" tell you? and "uname -m"
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[17:23] <prodigal1> oh i'm sorry, i'm on i686
[17:23] <acidchild> i'm a 486
[17:23] <acidchild> with 6GB of ram
[17:24] <acidchild> overclock to 900Ghz
[17:24] <prodigal1> lol wow, its running on my monitor right in front of me
[17:24] <prodigal1> lol
[17:24] <acidchild> i'm pro
[17:24] <acidchild> my toasted melted when i overclocked it like that last time, caused a pretty nasty insurance issue.
[17:25] <Urchlay> right, 32-bit.
[17:25] <prodigal1> yes, sorry about that
[17:25] <Urchlay> and probably not -current, right?
[17:25] <prodigal1> got confused with my other laptop
[17:25] <cadmium_> does anyone know how to fix a console when it gets all garbled ?
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[17:26] <spaceplo_> "reset" usually works
[17:26] <prodigal1> no
[17:26] <missyjane> hey is it true that if someone writes a virus or malicious script for ubuntu, it would work on every other flavor too?
[17:26] <NyteOwl> acidchild: I'm an abacus installed in a quantum singularity :p
[17:26] <acidchild> :P
[17:26] <acidchild> missyjane: really depends on waht it is :P
[17:26] <acidchild> right?
[17:26] <acidchild> :)
[17:26] <cadmium_> spaceplo thanks
[17:26] <Urchlay> prodigal1: ok. Can you go paste the results of "ldd liblua.so" into www.pastebin.ca?
[17:27] <NyteOwl> missyjane: and how lazy the admin is
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[17:27] Nick change: spaceplo_ -> SpacePlod
[17:27] <missyjane> o.O depends on what? NyteOwl well i mean the average population..
[17:27] <Urchlay> cadmium_: it depends on the level of garbled-ness... if X crashes, sometimes the console gets destroyed and can't be fixed
[17:27] <cadmium_> NyteOwl i'm a quantum wave function installed in an abicus
[17:27] <acidchild> missyjane: waht the sploit attacks?
[17:27] <acidchild> :)
[17:28] <prodigal1> Urchlay, it's only one line
[17:28] <NyteOwl> cadmium_: were there enough beads for that?
[17:28] <missyjane> oh
[17:28] <cadmium_> NyteOwl the beads are a singularity..
[17:29] <prodigal1> Urchlay, http://www.pastebin.ca/1536923
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[17:30] <Urchlay> prodigal1: and does "ls -l /usr/lib/liblua.so" show anything?
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[17:30] <cadmium_> Urchlay reset worked for me.. i catted a binary tcpdump output earlier and then I botched another one by catting the nvidia install script
[17:31] <Urchlay> oh, cool
[17:31] <Urchlay> prodigal1: for that matter, "ls -l /usr/lib/liblua*"
[17:31] <acidchild> export TERM='linux' ; reset
[17:31] <acidchild> always seems to work :-)
[17:31] <acidchild> i b0rk my terms all the time :P
[17:31] <acidchild> 'screen' termcap is the worst.
[17:32] <Urchlay> bleah, I've had screen go nuts and mangle the display on a real VT220, when TERM=vt220 was set when screen was first invoked
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[17:33] <gem_cat> Camarade_Tux, ok - the
[17:34] <gem_cat> ok sofar I have drivers loaded identified with my wifi card but is not identified as a nic
[17:35] <cadmium_> I installed gentoo on some hpux servers once, I had to buy a terminal off ebay first
[17:35] <ip-route> hi
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[17:35] <ip-route> how record video from my webcam ?
[17:38] <Urchlay> cadmium_: I left about 10 old terminals behind, last time I moved :(
[17:39] <cadmium_> Urchlay that makes me sad
[17:40] <prodigal1> Urchlay, thanks for the help, unfortunately i have to run, I posted the rest of what you asked for at http://pastebin.ca/1536936
[17:40] <prodigal1> Urchlay, if I see you on later I'll talk to you, thanks again
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[17:41] <hiptobecubic> dive, you there?
[17:41] <dive> yo
[17:41] <Urchlay> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     15 2009-08-19 20:51 /usr/lib/liblua.so -> liblua.so.5.1.4  <--- dangling symlink!
[17:41] <hiptobecubic> dive, which builds were you saying i should rebuild?
[17:41] <prodigal1> Urchlay, it may be of interest to you that liblua.so.5.1.4 does not exist
[17:41] <cadmium_> hmm nvidia install script failed to compile kernel interface for linux display driver x86
[17:41] <Urchlay> cadmium_: it makes me sad, too :(
[17:42] <dive> hiptobecubic, all the ones that were previosly SBo but are now daw
[17:42] <cadmium_> Urchlay try not to think about it to much
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[17:42] <prodigal1> is that the reason i'm gettting the error? because liblua.so.5.1.4 doesnt exist?
[17:42] <Urchlay> prodigal1: yeah, I see that. Possibly the lua.SlackBuild is broken, or anyway needs to be updated
[17:42] <dive> And I forget which
[17:42] <Urchlay> yes
[17:42] <hiptobecubic> hmm
[17:42] <prodigal1> i'm gonna try find someone who has that file i guess
[17:42] <Urchlay> naw
[17:42] <prodigal1> from what i read last night, this makes sense
[17:43] <Urchlay> prodigal1: no, try removing the bad symlink and "ln -s liblua-5.1.so liblua.so" instead
[17:43] <prodigal1> people were missing the liblua.so.5 file
[17:43] <antiwire> http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/999
[17:43] <Urchlay> #
[17:43] <Urchlay> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 144548 2009-08-19 20:49 /usr/lib/liblua-5.1.so <--- there's the actual library, you're just missing a symbolic link
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[17:43] <Quiznos> run ldconfig
[17:44] <Quiznos> dont hand ln
[17:44] <Urchlay> thought he already did that
[17:44] <prodigal1> how to remove the symlink?
[17:44] <Quiznos> rm
[17:44] <prodigal1> the bad symlink i mean
[17:44] <Urchlay> rm liblua.so
[17:44] <prodigal1> oh, just literally remove it
[17:44] <prodigal1> gotcha
[17:44] <Urchlay> correct
[17:44] <dive> hiptobecubic, just grab all the ones that are set SBo in /var/log/packages/
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[17:44] <prodigal1> well it doesnt exist anyways
[17:44] <Quiznos> now run ldconfig
[17:44] <Urchlay> the symlink does exist, but it points to a nonexistent file (not quite the same thing as not existing at all)
[17:45] <Urchlay> ldconfig is supposed to recreate those symlinks for you
[17:45] <gem_cat> is anyone successfully using wifi? how did you do it?
[17:46] <antiwire> I use wifi everyday on multiple networks
[17:47] <Pig_Pen> gem_cat: i did not use wpa_supplicant, only wireless-tools and manually edited /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf & rc.wireless.conf and /etc/resolv.conf
[17:47] <antiwire> I use the standard Slackware rc.inet1.conf and /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[17:47] <Pig_Pen> and i only use WEP
[17:47] <Urchlay> gem_cat: lots of people are. Try looking in the topic of the channel for the link to the slackbook, which ought to explain it
[17:47] <antiwire> gem_cat: can you at least scan for networks now with iwlist?
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[17:48] <Pig_Pen> that is only because my crappy wifi card is not supported by wpa_supplicant, i wish it did then i would use it and wpa2
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[17:48] <Urchlay> Pig_Pen: ouch! what card is it, so i'll know not to buy one...
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[17:49] <Pig_Pen> its a linksys wmp54g
[17:49] <Pig_Pen> the kernel firmware is rt61
[17:50] <Pig_Pen> http://hostap.epitest.fi/wpa_supplicant/  just checking the wpa_supplicant website and nothing new
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[17:51] <gem_cat> antiwire, I am missing a piece - I take it Pig_Pen uses the driver from realtek - which must be compiled
[17:51] <cadmium_> anybody run a GeForce 9600 on slackware ?
[17:51] <Pig_Pen> some people have said they had it working and i tried several times, and no joy
[17:51] <antiwire> Pig_Pen: out of curiosity, what does the card show up as in lspci or lsusb, which ever it is
[17:51] <antiwire> gem_cat: same for oyu
[17:52] <antiwire> you*
[17:52] <Pig_Pen> i just use the kernel module and the stock firmware included with slackware, i even tried serialmonkey's firmware without success
[17:52] <Pig_Pen> yeah
[17:52] <Pig_Pen> 04:05.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI
[17:53] <antiwire> I helped a guy in here set one up a few days  ago one sec
[17:53] <antiwire> i go tit working with wpa too
[17:54] <Pig_Pen> dont bother, i would be having to run back & forth between the back of the house and the office (front of the house) it would be a hassle
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[17:55] <agentc0re|work> antiwire: i go tit, too. :P
[17:55] <antiwire> gem_cat: ?
[17:55] <gem_cat> antiwire, my ignorance is becoming radioactive
[17:55] <Camarade_Tux> oh, slackware should ship info2man
[17:55] <Pig_Pen> i have the essid broadcast disabled, and mac address whitelist enabled, plus disabled wifi remote admin so any casual wifi hitchhikers would probably go looking for a easier target
[17:56] <antiwire> gem_cat: ok?
[17:56] <antiwire> this is like pulling teeth
[17:57] <Pig_Pen> its not bullet proof, but i live in a rural area and the people that live around here already have their own internet
[17:57] <gem_cat> antiwire, I have not seen eth1 anywhere - the iwlist s shows only the wired nic
[17:58] <antiwire> what does the card show up as in lspci or lsusb what ever it is?
[17:58] <gem_cat> the driver for the wifi shows it is not connected to anything
[17:58] <gem_cat> yes and lsmod as well - but not as a nic
[17:58] <antiwire> wtf
[17:58] <antiwire> what does the card show up as in lspci or lsusb what ever it is?
[17:59] <gem_cat> antiwire,  "rtl8180 0000:00:08.0 found PCI INT A -> IRQ 5" is what it says
[17:59] <antiwire> are you even reading what I type?
[18:00] <antiwire> I want the PCI or USB ids. we get that from lspci or lsusb
[18:00] <gem_cat> I am trying to understand - i will reread everything carefully - please be patient
[18:01] <antiwire> I am being patient, I've asked the same question 3 times now
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[18:01] <antiwire> Also, are you using slackware 12.2?
[18:02] <gem_cat> the pci id is 00:08.0 Ethernet Controller - a change from while ago
[18:03] <nooper> Is it considered a privacy violation to expose openid urls associated with user accounts?
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[18:04] <gem_cat> yes antiwire and ifconfig now shows an up conditon
[18:04] <antiwire> that's not the pci ID
[18:04] <antiwire> can you just pastebin the output of lspci?
[18:04] <antiwire> all of it.
[18:04] <antiwire> lspci -v
[18:05] <antiwire> lspci without the -v is fine
[18:05] <gem_cat> I will type the entry - I am not on the same computer
[18:05] <antiwire> no don't worry then
[18:05] <antiwire> don't do that, doing that sucks for you and me
[18:06] <gem_cat> ok at least I am seeing it as an ethernet controller now - which I was not before
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[18:07] <antiwire> gem_cat: are you using a stock kernel? is it huge-smp?
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[18:07] <gem_cat> yes straight install - fresh today
[18:08] <gem_cat> the wifi is now first in the list but only one eth is listed in ifconfig
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[18:11] <antiwire> gem_cat: what is the full interface name of the interface that you think is the wifi?
[18:11] <antiwire> eth0 or eth1?
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[18:12] <NyteOwl> bubba
[18:12] <NyteOwl> :)
[18:13] <ardya> hi folks.../usr/sbin/mkpasswd (from shadow-4.0.3-i486-15 pkg) returns "no DBM database on system - no action performed". What is this DBM system its looking for?
[18:13] <Urchlay> Camarade_Tux: hey, info2man looks useful!
[18:13] <Camarade_Tux> Urchlay: :)
[18:14] <Urchlay> ardya: it's looking for Berkeley DB of some variert
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[18:14] <Urchlay> variety
[18:14] <gem_cat> antiwire, only the eth0 is listed and it still appears to be my rtl-8029 card
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[18:14] <ardya> I have db4 installeds
[18:14] <Urchlay> hm. Where'd you get mkpasswd from?
[18:14] <antiwire> gem_cat:  what does this command show you: ls -alh /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver/module/drivers/
[18:15] <ardya> an strace doesnt even show any db file being opened or stat'd
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[18:15] <antiwire> gem_cat: or just ls /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver/module/drivers/
[18:15] <Urchlay> strace -f might (it's a script, it forks a lot)
[18:15] <ardya> Urchlay: from the install media
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[18:15] <antiwire> gem_cat: it should show pic:somethinghere
[18:15] <antiwire> pci:somethinghere**
[18:15] <ardya> /usr/sbin/mkpasswd: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[18:15] <Urchlay> ardya: right, I recall having some kind of problem with mkpasswd, which I fixed, and now I can't remember how. One sec.
[18:15] <ardya> not a script
[18:15] <Urchlay> oh, I was looking at /usr/bin/mkpasswd
[18:15] <Urchlay> odd that both exist
[18:16] <ardya> yeah, thats from the expect pkg, not the one I want
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[18:17] <Urchlay> ardya: heh, I had to "man 8 mkpasswd" just to find the docs. What were you going to use it for?
[18:17] <ardya> manually generate md5 passwd
[18:18] <mancha> it borks when you type it as root unles you give it a length
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[18:18] <Urchlay> for a system login, or for apache? (apache comes with "htpasswd", I dunno if that'll work for system passwords or not)
[18:18] <ardya> neither
[18:18] <Camarade_Tux> tar's infopage is long and verbose
[18:18] <ardya> I'm aware of htpasswd
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[18:19] <mancha> it borks as root, try mkpasswd as user
[18:19] <Urchlay> eh, ok. Uhm, the man page says mkpasswd's purpose is to create file.dir and file.pag files, which are berkeley DB style files... that's what you need?
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[18:19] <ardya> mancha: same error. note this is not /usr/bin/mkpasswd
[18:20] <ardya> Urchlay: they need to exist first?
[18:20] <Urchlay> no
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[18:20] <mancha> ah ok
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[18:20] <Urchlay> I meant, are you even sure what you'd use .dir and .pag files for? (just making sure you're not barking up the wrong tree entirely)
[18:21] <Urchlay> ardya: OK, I get the same results as you do: /usr/sbin/mkpasswd: no DBM database on system - no action performed
[18:21] <ardya> actually I think I am, damn....
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[18:22] <Camarade_Tux> tar question: I have a file a/b/c in an archive and want to extract it to x/, but I don't want to have x/a/b/c, I want to have x/c, how can I do that? (basically, it's changing the path)
[18:22] <ardya> is the htpasswd md5 output compatible with shadow?
[18:22] <Urchlay> not sure
[18:22] <ardya> to confirm, md5 passwds start with $1$, correct?
[18:22] <Urchlay> what are you actually trying to accomplish? (your higher-level goal)
[18:22] <Urchlay> yes
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[18:22] <mancha> shadow on slack doesn't use md5, iirc
[18:23] <ardya> it does
[18:23] <ardya> Urchlay: I have an sql db that stores login information for dovecot
[18:24] <jeev> ardya.
[18:24] <jeev> cough
[18:24] Action: jeev ops up and kicks ardya
[18:24] <ardya> the passwd format used in the users table is $1$xxxxxxxxxx
[18:24] <Urchlay> ok... and dovecot's expecting /etc/passwd style password strings, not simple md5 hashes of the password?
[18:24] <antiwire> gem_cat: ls /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver/module/drivers/ | cut -d : -f 2 | tr -d \\100
[18:24] <ardya> this is working currently
[18:24] <Urchlay> normally you'd have something like: update users set passwd=md5('whatever') where user_id=2;
[18:24] <antiwire> gem_cat: what does that tell you?
[18:24] <ardya> I just dont remember how/where i got those md5 passwds from to put into the db
[18:25] <Urchlay> the ones in the db, do they start with $1$ actually?
[18:25] <ardya> but I'm looking ot be able to produce a suitable passwd either via commandline, or php
[18:25] <ardya> yes
[18:25] <gem_cat> oh it scrambled it  - pci:ne2k-pci
[18:25] <mancha> i don't recall but in any event the default is to salt them, i guess md5 is the default, shouldn't be though
[18:26] <antiwire> gem_cat: eth0 is not your wifi device.
[18:26] <antiwire> that is your ethernet device
[18:26] <ardya> the format of the passwd in the db is the same format as in /etc/shadow
[18:27] <Urchlay> ok, it appears you can use the crypt() function in C to generate shadow-compatible hashes
[18:27] <ardya> so I'm looking to find a way to create that format on the commandline or php
[18:27] <antiwire> gem_cat: we really need to see the full output of lspci now
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[18:27] <Urchlay> no idea if PHP has a binding for the C library's crypt() function or not, but you could write about a 3-line C program that does the job
[18:28] <gem_cat> antiwire I will try - I think I can get it on a stick and copy it from there
[18:28] <antiwire> gem_cat: also copy lsmod output too
[18:28] <ardya> so there's no commandline util existing that can do this?
[18:28] <Urchlay> eh, there might be, but if so I don't know what it's called
[18:29] <ardya> ok, thanks for your time, you've been very helpful
[18:29] <Urchlay> don't the dovecot docs tell you anything about how to do this?
[18:29] <Camarade_Tux> now, anyone about tar? :D
[18:29] <ardya> and jeev, yer mom :)
[18:29] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: I sometimes put tar in my lungs
[18:29] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: well, used to anyhow
[18:29] <Urchlay> (I mean I've never used dovecot, not even sure what it is, but if it uses salted password hashes, its manual should tell you how to generate them!)
[18:29] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: baaaad!
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[18:29] <Camarade_Tux> and evening :)
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[18:29] <ardya> Urchlay: I havent really looked, seeing as how I have a working system, I was looking to create a php front end to manipulate the db
[18:30] <illuz1oN> Night
[18:30] <Urchlay> right. Er, I could give you a Perl one-liner that should work.
[18:30] <ardya> ok
[18:30] <eviljames> illuz1oN: l8rdude
[18:30] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: So what about tar now?
[18:30] <eviljames> Urchlay: You *could* but then you would be satan.
[18:30] <Camarade_Tux> tar question: I have a file a/b/c in an archive and want to extract it to x/, but I don't want to have x/a/b/c, I want to have x/c, how can I do that? (basically, it's changing the path)
[18:31] <Camarade_Tux>  :)
[18:31] <ardya> -C dir ?
[18:31] <eviljames> tar -xf file && mv file x/a/b/c x/c
[18:31] <eviljames> :P
[18:31] <thrice`> haha
[18:31] <eviljames> That's not quite right because I put file in there twice
[18:31] <Camarade_Tux> ardya: no, it will keep a/b
[18:31] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: :p
[18:32] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: but I want to extract them to the proper place directly
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[18:33] <Urchlay> ardya: it looks like this would work:
[18:33] <Urchlay> perl -le 'print crypt("$ARGV[0]", "\$1\$$ARGV[1]\$")' -- password salt
[18:34] <ardya> ok thanks, I'll give that a whirl
[18:34] <Camarade_Tux> man, I hope guys making tar made themselves blind
[18:34] <Camarade_Tux> s/tar/info/
[18:34] <eviljames> s/info/tar and info/
[18:34] <Camarade_Tux>  ;p
[18:34] <dive> s/man/tar/info/wtf
[18:34] <Urchlay> ardya: however, it doesn't generate the same thing as I have in /etc/shadow for my user
[18:35] <Camarade_Tux> dive: he, wtf rules!
[18:35] <Camarade_Tux> (well, the dictionnary is a bit small but it comes from bsd-games ;p )
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[18:35] <dive> Camarade_Tux, the slackbuild I'm working on now might well have a /usr/doc/wtf directory... :/
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[18:36] <Camarade_Tux> dive: hehe :P
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[18:37] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: have you tried tar -xzvf foo.tar.gz a/b/c x/
[18:38] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: or even cd x/ && tar -xzvf foo.tar.gz a/b/
[18:38] <eviljames> ?
[18:38] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: that should try to extract x/ too
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[18:38] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: Well, tar *should* have a comprehensive man page.
[18:38] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: Not all things tha should happen, do happen.
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[18:39] <mancha> Urch it needn't, you'd have to run through all possible salts
[18:39] <t0f> is /proc/config.gz a good or bad starting point for a custom kernel?
[18:39] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: its manpage is 237 lines long :P
[18:40] <antiwire> t0f: it's a good place to start if the running kernel works fine so far and you just need to make some changes
[18:40] <t0f> antiwire: ok thanks
[18:40] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: how big is the info page?
[18:41] <antiwire> t0f: I made this just for you http://pastebin.com/m55f671f9
[18:41] <t0f> antiwire: i realize a custom kernel can be a huge undertaking
[18:41] <t0f> :)
[18:41] <Quiznos> well, i rm'd some cruft from xorg.conf and xorg is beginning to load manually but not by startx
[18:41] <Quiznos> added vesa Driver instead of "nv"
[18:41] <Quiznos> that helped
[18:42] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: I'm on the 2529th line :)
[18:42] <Quiznos> got a higher res than ever too
[18:42] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: you count much faster than I do.
[18:42] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: tar is famous for its message in the manpage
[18:42] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: less :)
[18:42] <eviljames> heh
[18:42] <Quiznos> Star > tar
[18:42] <Quiznos> gnutar
[18:42] <Camarade_Tux> "The  GNU  folks, in general, abhor man pages, and create info documents instead."
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[18:42] <Quiznos> they dux
[18:42] <Quiznos> sux
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[18:43] <t0f> antiwire:  thanks. I'm sure it'll come in handy
[18:43] <Quiznos> no one thinks of .info pagen as manuals
[18:43] <eviljames> Quiznos: Do you think there's a way you could put less words on one line and press enter a few more times?
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[18:43] <antiwire> hey does this seem sane? does it work for anyone else? http://pastebin.com/m5fc2d578
[18:43] <dive> t0f, if you know your hardware ie chipset, cpu, pci cards etc, and filesystems you need not too much of a problem.
[18:43] <Quiznos> eviljames [shaking head] i'm tryin but it's not coming together
[18:43] <Camarade_Tux> --strip-components
[18:43] <Quiznos> lol
[18:43] <Quiznos> [/whince]
[18:43] <NyteOwl> they believe in being PC (Politically Consitpated) and don't like the term "man"
[18:43] <Quiznos> PC-crats
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[18:44] <t0f> yes, i know i can turn off sis and amd on an intel system
[18:44] <Camarade_Tux> I knew it had strip in its name but since the manpage is almost empty, I had no hit for my search (although with info2man, I could also have searched)
[18:44] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: --strip-components scratches that particular itch?
[18:44] <t0f> lspci tells a lot
[18:44] <Camarade_Tux> and --transform
[18:44] Action: eviljames takes notes
[18:45] <dive> t0f, biggest tip is _keep_ your old kernel around and in lilo so you can boot up with it if you problems with custom
[18:45] <eviljames> ++dive;
[18:45] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: for my thing, I'd use --strip-components=2
[18:45] <eviljames> antiwire: Looks ok to me.
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[18:45] <antiwire> dive: if he actaully reads my write up he will get a backup copy...unlike that dude last night
[18:45] <antiwire> lol
[18:45] <t0f> dive: yes, i also keep a usb img to boot from too
[18:45] <dive> yeah ture
[18:45] <dive> true
[18:45] <antiwire> eviljames: thanks
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[18:46] <Camarade_Tux> or --transform='s/.../.../' but running sed each time is a bit...
[18:46] <ardya> Urchlay: fyi, shadow passwds seems to use a random 8 char salt, I can make your perl line work, thanks
[18:46] <Urchlay> ardya: yeah, I was copying the salt out of an existing entry in /etc/shadow
[18:47] <Urchlay> antiwire: if [ -z $IF_VAR1 ];   <--- will give syntax error if $IF_VAR1 is blank
[18:47] <Urchlay> use [[ ]] or else put the variable name in ""
[18:47] <Urchlay> if [ -z "$IF_VAR1" ];
[18:47] <antiwire> ok thanks
[18:47] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: "lines 12104-12128/12128 (END)" hahaha :P
[18:48] <Camarade_Tux> they wrote 12k lines of doc and can't write 200 lines of doc
[18:48] <Camarade_Tux> (for man)
[18:48] <antiwire> Urchlay: I'm done with people thinking one interface is the other driver
[18:48] <t0f> i tell my friends, if you want a system to work outta the box (and break later) install windows. if you want a system that requires a bit of fine tuning up front (and gets better with age) install Slackware!
[18:48] <Camarade_Tux> t0f: actually windows doesn't work otb either :)
[18:48] <t0f> true
[18:48] <Camarade_Tux> s/otb/ootb/
[18:49] <dive> not much does (except this T42 :P)
[18:49] <Camarade_Tux> driverpacks.net is good (packs almost any driver)
[18:50] <t0f> i have an ati pcie video, i'll bet i need to get a better one
[18:50] <Urchlay> tr -d \\100   <--- what's that for?
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[18:50] <antiwire> to remove the @
[18:50] <antiwire> just run the ls command on the path and you'll see
[18:50] <Urchlay> oh. Ehm, there shouldn't be an @ in a script, only in an interactive shell where ls is an alias
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[18:51] <t0f> what will slack 32 bit address? 3.3 gigs of memory?
[18:53] <t0f> my Gateway can take up to 4 1-gig sticks
[18:53] <Urchlay> antiwire: another idea for you: if they don't give an argument, do this:
[18:53] <Urchlay> /bin/ls -d /sys/class/net/*/device/driver/module/drivers/*
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[18:55] <Urchlay> antiwire: even more festive:
[18:55] <Urchlay> /bin/ls -d /sys/class/net/*/device/driver/module/drivers/*|sed 's,.*net/\([^/]*\)/.*:,\1: ,'
[18:55] <antiwire> fscking sed.
[18:55] <antiwire> i can't even read that
[18:55] <Urchlay> on my box it shows 2 lines, "eth0: e100" and "ra0: rt2860", exactly what the doctor ordered :)
[18:55] <Urchlay> well, you could use cut instead, with -d/
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[18:56] <Urchlay>  /bin/ls -d /sys/class/net/*/device/driver/module/drivers/*|cut -d/ -f5,10
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[18:57] <Urchlay> results aren't as pretty: eth0/pci:e100
[18:57] <t0f> later guys
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[18:59] <gemcat> antiwire, http://pastebin.com/d67a0e59d
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[18:59] <ardya> ohhh nice, dovecotpw does exactly what I need
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[18:59] <ardya> thanks again Urchlay
[18:59] <ardya> have a great day
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[19:00] <edman007> ardya, i have no problem at all reading that...
[19:00] <edman007> err antiwire
[19:00] <edman007> in fact i think the regex could possibly be too simple...
[19:00] <Urchlay> antiwire: actually, what use is your script if there are 2 cards using the same driver?
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[19:00] <antiwire> I didn't say you have a problem
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[19:00] <Urchlay> edman007: possibly too simple, I was trying to keep it simple on purpose
[19:01] <edman007> Urchlay, yea, usually .* catches too much
[19:02] <Urchlay> well, the first .* would catch everything up to the literal string "net/", I don't think that causes a problem
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[19:02] <Urchlay> and the 2nd .* is meant to catch everything possible, up to the colon... I don't think 2 colons could occur there, so that'd be OK
[19:03] <thrice`> ext4 + hard reset = hosed system
[19:03] <Urchlay> thrice`: still? I thought it was going to be fixed...
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[19:03] <edman007> Urchlay, i'm use to pcre where a .* is greedy and catches up to the last net/
[19:03] <edman007> which is often problematic
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[19:04] <Urchlay> edman007: right, sed is the same, but there can only ever be one net/ in this string :)
[19:04] <thrice`> Urchlay: apparently in .31
[19:04] <antiwire> gemcat: what does 'iwconfig wlan0' show you?
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[19:04] <thrice`> it just 0'd about half of my system
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[19:04] <Urchlay> thrice`: ow! You mean it didn't just screw up files that happened to be open for writing when it died?
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[19:05] <edman007> thrice`, defined hosed? does it get to runlevel 3? or is kde just hosed?
[19:06] <thrice`> a lot of /usr/lib* are hosed.  it does get to rl3, however
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[19:06] <thrice`> were hosed*  started the reinstall already
[19:06] <gemcat> it shows a hardware address antiwire is that what you need
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[19:07] <dive> thrice`, with ext3 i hope
[19:07] <edman007> but in general, ext4 keeps stuff in ram for much longer than ext3, and unless you call an fsync() its not actually required to be on disk...and they don't have to care about crashes...
[19:07] <gemcat> oh oh - sorry about the typo
[19:07] <antiwire> gemcat: what does this do: ifconfig wlan0 up && iwlist wlan0 scan
[19:07] <thrice`> dive: jfs, actually :>
[19:07] <dive> k ;
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[19:07] <edman007> thrice`, did you recently install stuff or do things that affected libs?
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[19:08] <gemcat> iwconfig shows wlan0 IEEE 80211bg ESSID:""
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[19:08] <thrice`> edman007: yes, it was a new install :>
[19:09] <antiwire> gemcat: so wireless is working
[19:09] <eviljames> thrice`: maybe if we just kept all our data in a registry like Ts'o said, things would be fine!
[19:09] <antiwire> gemcat:  you just need to configure it for your network now...
[19:09] <edman007> thrice`, i mean right before the crash, anything done up to 5 minutes or so before the crash may not be on disk
[19:09] <eviljames> thrice`: or something along those lines when he was getting flamed over ext4's unexpected behaviour
[19:10] <antiwire> gemcat: you're a command set behind....do 'ifconfig wlan0 up'  and then 'iwlist wlan0 scan'
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[19:10] <thrice`> edman007: seemed to be about a half hour or so
[19:10] <Urchlay> edman007: hm, could you limit the damage done (at some performance cost) by running /usr/bin/sync once per minute from cron?
[19:10] <antiwire> gemcat: you should get scan results if you are in range of an AP
[19:10] <thrice`> regardless - wtf?
[19:11] <edman007> Urchlay, its actually a mount option, no need to do it manually
[19:11] <Urchlay> ah
[19:11] <edman007> but yes
[19:11] <edman007> ext3 has the same option, but defaults to 5 seconds
[19:11] <Urchlay> in which case it's just that the default mount option needs to be changed to make it the safe option
[19:11] <thrice`> it's "supposed to be fixed in .31" I guess
[19:11] <edman007> actually i think the ext4 default is 120 seconds...but i'm not sure, they may have changed it because of complaints
[19:12] <edman007> thrice`, "fixed" means they changed the timings...
[19:12] <eviljames> thrice`: Hard reset w/o magic sysrq key?  Was the system that hosed?
[19:12] <thrice`> I didn't try sysrq; until now, I've not had a hard-reset kill anything in years
[19:13] <Quiznos> welp; x is kinda running; kde finds mising files; the res is alittle off
[19:13] <Quiznos> lots of X proto errors
[19:13] <antiwire> thrice`: was this on the 2.6.29.6 kernel?
[19:13] <edman007> the major problem was that a truncate flushed the cache, so apple like gconf would truncate and write which would empty the file on disk and save the new copy in ram, on crash your data would go...so they changed the truncate and write behavior
[19:13] <eviljames> thrice`: xfs certainly hasn't behaved that way for me.
[19:13] <thrice`> antiwire: i'm on a .30.4 currently
[19:13] <edman007> s/apple/apps/
[19:13] Action: NyteOwl considered getting rid of all the PC computer stuff here and getting a Mac
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[19:14] <antiwire> thrice`: well that sucks even more
[19:14] <Quiznos> i miss the big round reset button
[19:14] <Camarade_Tux> NyteOwl: don't! :o
[19:14] Action: NyteOwl then woke up in a cold sweat
[19:14] <Quiznos> lol
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[19:14] <Quiznos> all my old hw is in storage awaiting me
[19:14] <antiwire> gemcat: what are you doing?
[19:15] <NyteOwl> Quiznos: half mine is still in use includijng my old "XT" :)
[19:15] <Quiznos> old Quadras
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[19:15] <Quiznos> old ][, //e //gs
[19:15] <Quiznos> old c64, Coco
[19:16] <Camarade_Tux> NyteOwl: hahaha :P
[19:16] <NyteOwl> I sold my C64 and Vic-20 long ago
[19:16] <Quiznos> bummer
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[19:16] <Quiznos> i met a man once who surfed the web on a c64
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[19:17] <Urchlay> Quiznos: I at least sort-of did the same on an Atari 800 (at least, retrieved a web page over TCP/IP and printed the raw HTML)
[19:17] <Quiznos> nice
[19:17] <Urchlay> Quiznos: and I wrote an IRC client for it, that's actually pretty functional
[19:17] <Quiznos> sweet
[19:17] <Quiznos> i still want a pdp-* box
[19:18] <Quiznos> i almost bought one in the early 80s; with rsx drives too
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[19:18] <NyteOwl> I passed on a PDP-11 a few years ago. No space or time to get it set up properly
[19:18] <Quiznos> yea
[19:18] <Urchlay> I will admit, if I weren't allowed to use cross compilers and such, I'd never have finished a project like that (the damn thing would take 8+ hours to build on the Atari, assuming it didn't run out of memory...)
[19:19] <Quiznos> i had Per Brinch Hansen's os book and i was really wanting to implement his stuff
[19:19] <Quiznos> the pdp included populated diskettes (8")
[19:19] <NyteOwl> friend of mine has a functioning PDP-8
[19:19] <Quiznos> kool
[19:20] <eviljames> wtf would you do with a pdp-*?
[19:20] <Urchlay> I shed a tear when I finally tossed out my last few 8" diskettes
[19:20] Action: Quiznos suffers from hardware-envy
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[19:21] <Quiznos> bastard :)
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[19:21] <Quiznos> wth did you do that?
[19:21] <Quiznos> dont tell us.
[19:21] <NyteOwl> I still have a couple of cases of punch cards in the basement, and 24 track tape
[19:21] <C00re> what package does this shared library belong to? libdpstk.so.1  'convert' cant find it
[19:21] <eviljames> Urchlay: I can't wait to get rid of optical media altogether.  Flash storage, FLAC and/or Vinyl is all we need.
[19:21] <NyteOwl> I have a 2400' spool, unused for sale :)
[19:21] <Urchlay> because I hadn't seen an 8" drive in 10+ years, and because they had gotten wet, then mildewed, and because nobody could remember what data was even on the damn things :)
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[19:22] <NyteOwl> the ultimate storage medium: PAPER
[19:22] <Urchlay> eviljames: flash storage still melts itself after too many writes, and "too many" is still a lot less than the equivalent number for magnetic media
[19:22] <Quiznos> heh
[19:22] <Urchlay> eviljames: (I assume you mean "magnetic and optical" above)
[19:23] <eviljames> Urchlay: we've had this debate before.  I pretty much mean all media.
[19:23] <eviljames> It's all just data.
[19:23] <Quiznos> i tsill remember the hype that Byte mag gave to bubble mems. remember those?
[19:23] <Urchlay> yeah, and 1000 years from now, archaeologists will know more about 1960s music than they do about 2000's music
[19:23] <dive> optical is sposed to be from 2 > 12 years? although dvd-ram sposed ot be better
[19:23] <NyteOwl> heh yep. lots of those modules on shevles as souvniers
[19:23] <Quiznos> Urchlay nah' we'll still be here.
[19:24] <eviljames> Urchlay: Just as long as everybody forgets the 80's.
[19:24] <eviljames> If it wasn't for hair metal, we'd have no reason to remember them at all.
[19:24] <Quiznos> i like alt-80s rock
[19:24] <NyteOwl> Urchlay: assume they figure out the formats to play it heh
[19:24] <Urchlay> Quiznos: humans probably will, but I bet they'll need to do archaeology to learn about their past, same as we do
[19:24] <eviljames> Quiznos: What has 7 arms and sucks?
[19:24] <Quiznos> you guys are getting; it's us who'll still be here. not aliens
[19:24] <Quiznos> duno
[19:24] <Urchlay> eh, I won't be here in 1000 years
[19:24] <eviljames> Quiznos: Def Leppard
[19:24] <NyteOwl> eviljames: the IRS?
[19:24] <Quiznos> lol
[19:25] <Quiznos> Urchlay i wll; I'll send a postcard
[19:25] <Urchlay> if I live that long, I'll have invented a warp drive or a time machine, and gone off to greener pastures
[19:25] <NyteOwl> Urchlay: I will :) If I can't take it with me I ain't going :)
[19:25] <Quiznos> or meet me here.  with lilo
[19:26] <NyteOwl> geeze - Ontario getting poyunded with wind and rain, forecasting tornados. The baseball game broadcast is off
[19:26] <Quiznos> watch a AA game
[19:26] <Quiznos> Tampa,Rays are playin
[19:26] <Urchlay> heh, a baseball game where all the players are in alcoholics anonymous might be funny
[19:27] <Urchlay> (at least, if they're all weak-willed, and if you offer free drinks between innings)
[19:28] <Quiznos> my neighbor recently invited me to a local Rays-at-home game; it was ok; our conversation was better tho
[19:29] <dive> wth is Rays at home?
[19:29] <Quiznos> team name playing where
[19:30] <eviljames> afk
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[19:30] <dive> Quiznos, where..? (Or is the rest coming/)
[19:31] <Quiznos> sw florida
[19:31] <Quiznos> the rays are the national team, i went to the AA team game
[19:31] <dive> I am still confused but nvm
[19:31] <Quiznos> i thought i was writing greek
[19:32] <dive> you were
[19:32] <Quiznos> thanks
[19:32] <dive> lol
[19:32] <NyteOwl> if that's greek he needs to work on his pennmanship :p
[19:32] <dive> so name of team = Rays, and location = at home, ok sorted
[19:33] <Quiznos> well, "rays" is club name; i forget the AA team name actually;
[19:33] <Quiznos> jfg it :)
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[19:38] <dive> god source that doesn't support DESDIR...
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[19:38] <dive> wh why why
[19:38] <nyRednek> ping
[19:39] <dive> clunk
[19:39] <Camarade_Tux> pif
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[19:39] <dive> don't use windows anomalies here please
[19:40] Action: quasar wishes cp -R on a single file would recreate the directory structure leading to that file :\
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[19:41] <Urchlay> quasar: cp --parents
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[19:42] <quasar> I completely missed that on the man page.. thanks
[19:42] <dive> some men are deficient
[19:43] <dive> er men as in plural of man
[19:43] <dive> forget it, I'm drunk
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[19:44] Action: quasar looks at dive's last 3 lines... men .. deficient .. forget it, I'm drunk ...
[19:44] <quasar> self refrence?
[19:44] <gem_cat> antiwire, sorry - my internet connection is going away sometimes (dsl)
[19:44] <dive> been compiling the same thing most of the evening. The configure and Makefile are just wtf.
[19:44] <dive> quasar, indeed
[19:45] <Quiznos> quasar wont tar get the full path?
[19:45] <Quiznos> or, $PWD/file ?
[19:46] <Quiznos> tunder above.
[19:46] <quasar> tar would but using tar to recreate a directory structure for a single file seems a bit like overkill to me lol
[19:46] <quasar> cp --parents does it though :D
[19:46] <Quiznos> heh
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[19:51] Action: dive likes cp -a cos it does recursively and dotfiles too
[19:52] <gem_cat> antiwire, thanks for a great lesson - I learned a lot, hopefully enough to get going
[19:52] <antiwire> gem_cat: look at /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf and /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
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[19:53] <antiwire> leave the WPA_DRIVER option in rc.inet1.conf as wext
[19:54] <NyteOwl> œ¿»Î½ »±²­
[19:54] <dive> e
[19:54] <NyteOwl> sorry, wrong window
[19:54] <lf4> Any suggestions for keeping the PXE organized and easily managble? Because slackware has multiple kernels. Should I create a sub-menu with in the x86 and x86_64 menus to select the kernel or just add the lines to the menus? See: http://pastebin.com/d504578f0
[19:55] <dive> NyteOwl, looking for #greek?
[19:56] <NyteOwl> no, someone wanted to know what a phrase looked like in greek
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[19:57] <sahko> it looks ancient
[19:57] <NyteOwl> heh
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[19:58] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: btw, tar's --strip-component does almost everything I wanted :)
[19:58] <Camarade_Tux> (the bad part is that ./x/y and x/y aren't the same)
[20:00] <Camarade_Tux>  :)
[20:02] <dchmelik> NyteOwl, what is Molon labe?  it sounds like something from Sparta....
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[20:02] <dchmelik> Does it not mean something like 'come and take it?'
[20:02] <Camarade_Tux> now I have a problem: how come I can make a good package manager in 100 lines of code?
[20:02] <NyteOwl> dchmelik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molon_labe
[20:03] <NyteOwl> yes, it was a reply of King LeonidsI to Xerxes I at the battle of Thermopolyae. "Come and take " in the request to lay down their arms
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[20:04] <Camarade_Tux> I'm currently at 90 lines with empty ones and can expand files, run external scripts, apps, and I have a database too
[20:04] <dchmelik> *AA: come and take our DeCSS
[20:09] <Quiznos> agiofws is greek
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[20:15] <lf4> ahh shoot I for got to start irssi in screen :P
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[20:18] <quasar> wee
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[20:19] <Quiznos> atom user here?
[20:20] <Hakudoshi> I 8 U ALL
[20:20] <quasar> k
[20:20] <dive> lf4, irssi + screen is very good
[20:21] <Hakudoshi> mIRC 6.35
[20:21] <dive> Hakudoshi, indigestion?
[20:21] <Camarade_Tux> dive: hangover
[20:21] <Hakudoshi> dive gives me gas
[20:21] <dive> Hakudoshi, so you have
[20:21] <lf4> dive: Yes lol it is if you reemmber to start screen before irssi :P
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[20:22] <Camarade_Tux> bah, I still miss some puns ><
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[20:22] <dive> Camarade_Tux, don't worry. I'm sure you'll catch up ;-)
[20:22] <Camarade_Tux>  :)
[20:22] <lf4> freak netsplit is going nuts.
[20:23] <Hakudoshi> i can't version myself :(
[20:23] <dive> lf4, make an alias and a specific .screenrc just for irssi </hint>
[20:23] <dive> Hakudoshi, poor
[20:23] <lf4> dive: lol I could
[20:23] <dive> lf4, and put in it 'screen irssi'
[20:23] <Hakudoshi> Operating System: Unsupported Windows 6.1 (Build #7600)
[20:24] <Hakudoshi> dive is making me use windows :(
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[20:24] <lf4> lol that will be after this... I'm so close to getting my PXE fully functional.
[20:25] <dive> lf4, nice, haven't tried that yet.
[20:25] <dive> mostly cause my hardware isn't capable ;/
[20:25] <lf4> dive: It's not that difficult but cant be a bit annoying. Oh shame.
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[20:30] <Camarade_Tux> no, not him! :o
[20:30] Action: lf4 pours water on fire|bird 
[20:31] Nick change: fire|bird -> drenched|bird
[20:31] <drenched|bird> :(
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[20:31] <drenched|bird> was that called for? :P
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[20:31] Action: lf4 nods
[20:31] <lf4> :D
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[20:31] <lf4> how are you doing drenched|bird
[20:31] <drenched|bird> Well, I think that makes my stats 84 different nicks now. :P
[20:31] Nick change: drenched|bird -> fire|bird
[20:31] <fire|bird> lf4: doing excellent, thanks. you?
[20:31] <lf4> haha wow
[20:32] <lf4> I'm doing well almost got this PXE server working.
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[20:32] <dive> hi fire|bird
[20:33] <fire|bird> hey dive
[20:33] <fire|bird> I found the perfect way to raise the back of my lappy to get more airflow......door stops. :P
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[20:34] <dive> trousers?
[20:34] <lf4> fire|bird: wow inventive.
[20:34] <fire|bird> Well, the only trousers I know are pants, so no. They're angled rubber pieces that you'd normally stick under a door to hold it open, but they work perfect for holding the laptop up too. :P
[20:35] <CcSsNET> lol ^
[20:35] <fire|bird> lf4: I know, I was at the store and walked by them and thought, hey, these would work, and they do. :D
[20:35] <CcSsNET> the type u see in corprate offices right hahaha
[20:35] <dive> yes I know what door stops are ;|
[20:35] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: I usually use pens to raise the back of my lappy ;)
[20:35] <fire|bird> dive: haha, :P sorry.
[20:35] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: that works too, but these get it up higher for more airflow. :)
[20:36] <Quiznos> oh oh x.ss lockd me out
[20:36] <fire|bird> I also discovered that the thing I had under my xbox with a fan to cool it, also works with the lappy, so I can put that under there too if necessary.
[20:36] <Quiznos> stoopid x thinks its got me
[20:36] <Quiznos> pff
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[20:37] <dive> Quiznos, game over. Insert coin.
[20:37] <Quiznos> pff hardly
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[20:37] <beatzz> yo yo yo
[20:37] <beatzz> hows my slack hommies doin?
[20:37] <dive> round thing with string
[20:38] <fire|bird> y0 beatzz
[20:38] <beatzz> you all have no idea how bad im suffering
[20:38] <fire|bird> how's it going?
[20:38] <beatzz> ive been in texas for a few days
[20:38] <beatzz> workin a job down here
[20:38] <beatzz> on my bros comp
[20:38] <Quiznos> sufferin soccatash
[20:38] <beatzz> windows vista...
[20:38] <beatzz> ^
[20:38] <dive> beatzz, you have no idea how I've been suffering
[20:38] <Quiznos> nor me
[20:38] <fire|bird> beatzz: you have my sympathy. :P
[20:38] <Quiznos> we all suffer our own way
[20:38] <beatzz> they dont even have firefox
[20:38] <beatzz> i have to use IE
[20:38] <beatzz> :x
[20:38] <Quiznos> heh
[20:39] <Quiznos> omg a luddite
[20:39] <dive> wth is PJIRC?
[20:39] <Camarade_Tux> beatzz: use telnet and render the html by yourself!
[20:39] <beatzz> so is 13 close to comeing out?
[20:39] <Quiznos> duno
[20:39] <dive> pyjama irc?
[20:39] <Quiznos> pyama
[20:39] <fire|bird> beatzz: Well, it's in rc2, so getting closer
[20:39] <dive> like it like it
[20:40] <beatzz> thanks fire
[20:40] <lf4> rc5 ;)
[20:40] <beatzz> :)
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[20:40] <antiwire> dude
[20:40] <beatzz> yo
[20:40] <antiwire> i was on the other side of that split
[20:40] <antiwire> only 17 people are in there right now
[20:40] <Quiznos> wb
[20:40] <beatzz> mcdonalds?
[20:40] <lf4> haha
[20:41] <dive> antiwire, oh, the elite club?
[20:41] <beatzz> anyone here in San Antonio TX???
[20:41] <Quiznos> nop
[20:41] <Quiznos> other side of gulf
[20:41] <beatzz> that can get a hold of my medicin for me
[20:42] <beatzz> no more medical buds :(
[20:42] <beatzz> TX is so lame
[20:42] <fire|bird> beatzz: medicine? Vista is THAT bad? :P
[20:42] <Quiznos> heh
[20:42] <dive> try alcohol then
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[20:42] <Quiznos> bee-ah will do
[20:42] <beatzz> lol
[20:42] <agentc0re> beatzz: Yup, i woudl agree with you there.
[20:42] <Quiznos> jinx
[20:42] <fire|bird> y0 agentc0re
[20:42] <beatzz> thats tommorow
[20:42] <beatzz> goin to the 'Cowboy dance hall'
[20:42] <agentc0re> fire|bird: sup man?
[20:42] <beatzz> suposed to be mas hot cowgirls there
[20:42] <dive> lol nice
[20:43] <beatzz> i hope my wifes not on here on my comp at home :/
[20:43] <fire|bird> agentc0re: I found a great way to hold the back of the lappy up for airflow, door stops. :D
[20:43] <dive> beatzz, what the hell are you doing there?
[20:43] <Quiznos> cant you poke to find out?
[20:43] <agentc0re> fire|bird: hehehe.
[20:43] <NyteOwl> damn, I hate businesses that won't ship to Canada :( It's not that much extra work to fill in a half dozen lines on a form
[20:43] <beatzz> well, paiting in WA was slowing down dive, so i called my brother in TX who is a truck driver
[20:43] <agentc0re> fire|bird: you are just full of ghetto :P  ha ha ha
[20:43] <Quiznos> cant you poke you box to find out?
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[20:43] <beatzz> and i get payed 400 a week cash to help him unload the truck when we get to austin every day
[20:43] <fire|bird> agentc0re: And, what I usually have under the Xbox 360 with a fan, also works with the lappy, so I can use that too. :P
[20:44] <beatzz> so basicaly, im down here for the $$$$
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[20:44] <dive> k
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[20:44] <beatzz> not to mention getting away from the wife and babys
[20:44] <beatzz> ;)
[20:44] <agentc0re> fire|bird: Glue the door stops to some particleboard you have laying around and then ducktape a pillow to the bottom so you can use it as a tray and it's comfortable to rest on your lap.
[20:44] <Quiznos> anyone seen a ide-usb cable for conencting several ide hd?
[20:44] <NyteOwl> that's decent money. what is he unloading? :p
[20:44] <antiwire> coke
[20:45] <dive> k
[20:45] <beatzz> specialty transport
[20:45] <beatzz> motorcycles
[20:45] <NyteOwl> heh
[20:45] <beatzz> copyers
[20:45] <fire|bird> agentc0re: haha, that's a great idea. :P
[20:45] <beatzz> today we did some copyers called 'Ose'
[20:45] <beatzz> they are like the farrari of printers
[20:45] <NyteOwl> masonite would be better that particle board - not as heavy
[20:45] <beatzz> for a big ass newspaper company
[20:46] <NyteOwl> s/that/than/
[20:46] <beatzz> we do alot or cool ass bikes too
[20:46] <beatzz> like Ducatis
[20:46] <beatzz> bmw's
[20:46] <beatzz> some other italian bike, thats suposed to be worth even more than the ducatis
[20:46] Action: NyteOwl not too happy with motorcycles right now
[20:47] <beatzz> i havent goten to do one of them yet, but i saw one in the show room
[20:47] <beatzz> what, did u eat some shit?
[20:47] <dive> soon. soon
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[20:47] <beatzz> dive, as a matter of fact
[20:47] <beatzz> we picked up a quad yetsterday
[20:47] <beatzz> pimped out
[20:48] <beatzz> going to hollywood
[20:48] <beatzz> to some dude, gana have it gold plated
[20:48] <beatzz> no lie...
[20:48] <dive> nice
[20:48] <beatzz> right
[20:48] <beatzz> must be nice
[20:48] <NyteOwl> no -they have a "gathering" here every summer for a few days and it's nothing but fscking noise from the more juvenile folks that think they can geenrate extra testosterone by gunning the engines with no mufflers all day adn evening (and morning)
[20:48] <beatzz> rich bastards
[20:48] <dive> but some people have a bit too much $
[20:48] <beatzz> NyteOwl you talkin about sturges
[20:48] <beatzz> ?
[20:49] <NyteOwl> sturges?
[20:49] <fire|bird> Sturgis
[20:49] <beatzz> yea, that
[20:50] <fire|bird> motorcycle rally in Sturgis, SD
[20:50] <beatzz> big harley gathering
[20:50] <beatzz> lots of music
[20:50] <beatzz> rock/country concerts lots of bikes and beer
[20:50] <NyteOwl> oh, sometimes the harley club, sometimes just the probvincial clunbs. In anycase there is a large proportion of arseholes that seem to derive some infantile pleasure from reving engines just to waste gas or somehting
[20:50] <Camarade_Tux> rock and beer? where? :D
[20:51] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: Sturgis, South Dakota
[20:51] <Camarade_Tux> oh, it's 3am
[20:51] <dive> grab a flight!
[20:51] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: ok, you can mail me the plane ticket :)
[20:51] <NyteOwl> I've often thought the tone of such engines could be improved by the liberal application of 50 BMR
[20:51] <beatzz> well all, im gana go kick the hacky sack around for a few
[20:51] <beatzz> wanted to make an apperence
[20:51] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: haha, I'm not sure if it's still going in though or if it ended. It was this month though.
[20:51] <lf4> What is the f3.txt located in isolinux? because I seem to be missing it but alien's PXE wiki talks about it.
[20:51] <dive> NyteOwl, no the liberal application of baseball bats
[20:52] <fire|bird> s/in/on/
[20:52] <Quiznos> lf4 help file
[20:52] <dive> beatzz, cya pal
[20:52] <NyteOwl> dive I prefer 50 BMR, more permanent
[20:52] <beatzz> peace out all, i'll try and stop by now and then till i get my slacktop down here
[20:52] <dive> hope you find a livecd
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[20:52] <beatzz> i could have brought my liveUSB or one of my many disks
[20:52] <beatzz> but sister-in-law would FREAK OUT
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[20:53] <dive> haha
[20:53] <beatzz> if she saw some CLI linux goin on on her comp
[20:53] <lf4> Quiznos: So it's not needed then lol alright thanks.
[20:53] <Quiznos> lol
[20:53] <beatzz> i mean freak....
[20:53] <Quiznos> lf4 if you know the stuff, nah
[20:53] <beatzz> peace all
[20:53] <Quiznos> beatzz heh; my mom's like that
[20:53] <beatzz> lol
[20:53] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: I'll never meet you if you don't send me a plane ticket :D
[20:53] <Quiznos> thinki'll break her box
[20:53] <beatzz> they just dont get it do they????
[20:53] <beatzz> right
[20:53] <Quiznos> nah
[20:53] <beatzz> even tho your more likely to fix it
[20:53] <Quiznos> perpetual noobs
[20:53] <beatzz> ;)
[20:54] <beatzz> audios!
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[20:54] <Quiznos> actually i'd help her take it to shop
[20:54] <lf4> hey fire|bird I want a ticket as well. ;)
[20:54] <fire|bird> haha
[20:54] <NyteOwl> pardon me sorry BMG :)
[20:54] <dive> |I don't. I'm staying here with the sensible beer ;|
[20:54] <NyteOwl> can't type tonight
[20:54] <NyteOwl> m beer
[20:55] <dive> I just run out though
[20:55] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux, lf4, send me the money and *maybe* I'll send you tickets. :D
[20:55] <dive> coffeee now
[20:55] <Quiznos> too soon
[20:55] <dive> and compiling
[20:55] Action: lf4 gives fire|bird a dollar
[20:55] <NyteOwl> somehting like a Stery HS50 would do
[20:55] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: good idea, especially since I got about 10 million dollars today! \o/
[20:55] <lf4> Camarade_Tux: win the lotto?
[20:56] <fire|bird> lf4: alright, your ticket will get you down to the next block from your house, thank you for flying Fire|Bird Air.
[20:56] <Camarade_Tux> well, at least that what the mails said, still waiting for the answer, my bank account has already been debited :)
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[20:56] <Quiznos> nes: man hit by lightening; in hospital.  when released in few days, will go buy loterry tickets
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[20:56] <Quiznos> nes/news
[20:57] <lf4> some how fire|bird air does not sound like a good airliner to fly.
[20:57] <fire|bird> lf4: Well duh, it only got you a block, you don't know for sure? :P
[20:57] <dive> lf4, better than fire|bird kick
[20:58] Action: lf4 says: fire|bird attack dive.
[20:58] <fire|bird> I shall not. :)
[20:58] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: sudo attack dive
[20:59] Action: fire|bird says dive, attack lf4
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[21:00] Action: dive sets mode +b *KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4
[21:00] <fire|bird> \o/
[21:00] Action: lf4 sets -v dive 
[21:01] <fire|bird> lf4: You are the weakest link, good bye. :)
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[21:01] Action: lf4 walks off.
[21:01] <fire|bird> lol
[21:03] <Quiznos> heh
[21:05] <fire|bird> I guess he didn't want his consolation prize.
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[21:08] Action: dive is -v. Can't speak. Can only do actions.
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[21:09] <fire|bird> yeah, -v devoices
[21:09] Action: lf4 comes back, sets +v dive, walks off.
[21:09] <fire|bird> haha
[21:10] <dive> lol
[21:10] <dive> chicken
[21:10] <Quiznos> damn, tax-11 isnt answering
[21:10] <dive> you're still +b so don't walk too far ;-)
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[21:12] <dive> ok I give up on pdfedit
[21:13] <NyteOwl> bbiab
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[21:13] <fire|bird> dive: why are you giving up?
[21:13] <dive> file open does nil
[21:14] <fire|bird> ah, that's a game stopper then. :P
[21:14] <dive> fire|bird, I've been patching and copying crap because ARCH and DESTDIR is borked. Finally managed to get the files + config files done and click file - open =nothing.
[21:15] <Quiznos> oh btw, i'm getting alot of "no more files can be open" but i've set the proc/.../file-max to 128K
[21:15] <Quiznos> any idears?
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[21:15] <Quiznos> in x, in opera
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[21:15] <udevd> hi
[21:16] <fire|bird> dive: I've used pdfedit in the past on other distros and it worked great, I had never tried it on slackware. Is that on 64bit?
[21:16] <dive> nope 32
[21:16] <thrice`> hi udevd
[21:16] <fire|bird> wow, that sucks
[21:16] <fire|bird> heya thrice`
[21:16] <thrice`> hi :)
[21:17] <udevd> hi thrice`
[21:18] <udevd> is there a way to get slack current's iso?
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[21:18] <thrice`> udevd: alienbob has a script which downloads + makes one for you, otherwise a couple un-official mirrors use it and carry an iso.  slackware.no  comes to mind
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[21:19] <udevd> thrice`: thank you
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[21:20] <thrice`> sure :)
[21:24] <antiwire> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/21/science/21circles.html
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[21:30] <Camarade_Tux> night
[21:31] <dive> nn
[21:31] <udevd> i've got new notebook so i wanted to have latest apps... but i'm afraid, are current's applications stable engouth to work normal?
[21:31] <Camarade_Tux> http://www.miketaylor.org.uk/tech/oreilly/truenut.html hahaha :P
[21:32] <dive> farming, wasp...see wasp farming lol
[21:35] <thrice`> udevd: yep.  -current is at rc2 currently
[21:35] <udevd> ok :)
[21:35] <thrice`> for the next slackware release, that is
[21:35] <udevd> i understand
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[21:38] <antiwire> oh man too much rice
[21:38] <antiwire> yet I'll be hungry again in 30 minutes
[21:39] <udevd> why current's dvd iso only 1.7 GB o_O?
[21:39] <antiwire> it's not
[21:39] <antiwire> that iso is probably missing the sources
[21:40] <udevd> mhm
[21:40] <antiwire> -rw-r--r-- 1 xxxx yyyy 3.6G 2009-08-19 15:47 slackware-current-19_Aug_2009-DVD.iso
[21:40] <thrice`> yep, I think it excludes the sources/
[21:41] <udevd> ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/linux/ISO-images/slackware/Current-ISO-build/ here is 1.7GiB
[21:41] <antiwire> The one I pasted is one I make with my own scripts from a full rsync pull
[21:41] <Dominian> udevd: I'm certain its missing the sources
[21:42] <Dominian> I have a mirror of -current on my box here at home.. 1.7GB and thats minus source
[21:43] <antiwire> http://slackware.no/makeSlackISOs.sh <--that's .no's script
[21:43] <thrice`> Dominian: got slack on your new setup yet? :)
[21:43] <antiwire> -x ./source \
[21:43] <Dominian> thrice`: Uhh duh!
[21:43] <Dominian> thrice`: Didn't even reinstall.. just changed the hardware out and added the 500GB drive :)
[21:43] <thrice`> Dominian: oh, didn't know it had fully arrived :)
[21:44] <Dominian> Slackware didn't even know the difference hehe
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[21:45] <edman007> Dominian, linux does that, its only windows that asks for $200 extra because you showed a willingness to buy something
[21:46] <Dominian> hehe
[21:46] <Dominian> Well, I need to transfer my data from the 500GB drive to my 160.. so I can redo the filesystem on the 500GB
[21:46] <edman007> my home folder is at 97% used...i need to clean it up :/
[21:47] <hiptobecubic> antiwire, qemu has no usb2... can't test this webcam nonsense against myself. Can you message me on xmpp yet?
[21:47] <edman007> and my home folder is on a 500GB partition
[21:47] <Dominian> edman007: well thrice` clued me in on an issue with ext4 and zeroed files
[21:47] <edman007> ...i was the one telling thrice`
[21:47] <Dominian> ahh
[21:47] <Dominian> didn't see that
[21:47] <edman007> maybe he already knew it though...
[21:48] <Dominian> WEll, it wasn't in here he said something
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[21:48] <antiwire> hiptobecubic: no, last night I had to log in using the gtalk client on windows, then i could message myself using two accounts
[21:48] <edman007> ext4 by default made writes async and truncates sync, with async writes flushed every 120 seconds (vs 5 seconds for ext3)
[21:48] <hiptobecubic> interesting
[21:48] <edman007> thing like gconf like to truncate and write to update files
[21:49] <Dominian> edman007: yeah.. I'm rolling it back to ext3
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[21:49] <edman007> so a stat gets updated and your configs are flushed off disk and onto ram, and they stay there for 2 minutes
[21:49] <antiwire> I can't believe they keep those settings for ext4 still
[21:49] <antiwire> really, wtf are they doing?
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[21:50] <edman007> antiwire, i think the fixed it in the more recent kernels, but that was why everyone complained
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[21:50] <antiwire> edman007: thrice just lost a bunch of data on 30.4
[21:50] <antiwire> after a hard reset
[21:50] <Dominian> edman007: why.. "how" recent?
[21:50] <Dominian> how recent of a kernel?
[21:51] <agentc0re> antiwire: OH shit... that sucks... thrice` how much is a "bunch"?
[21:51] <Dominian> I'm running 2.6.30.4 right now
[21:51] <antiwire> agentc0re: sounded like half his whole disk. it was hosed
[21:51] <Dominian> edman007: possible its fixed in the kernel I'm running?
[21:52] <agentc0re> well half a disk can't be due to a async flush only happening every 120 seconds..  must be a nasty bug.  I remember reading about it on /.
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[21:52] <udevd> what does installer do when it doeasn't have sound sources/? Do it asks for dvd with it?
[21:53] <edman007> Dominian, 2.6.30 should have the better defaults https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/317781/comments/76
[21:53] <antiwire> udevd: nothing
[21:53] <edman007> but maybe thats ubuntu only
[21:53] <antiwire> udevd: sources aren't used during install
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[21:53] <Dominian> edman007: hrm
[21:53] <Dominian> I thnk to be safe..
[21:53] <Dominian> I'll do the reformat
[21:53] <agentc0re> hiptobecubic: did you get video working?
[21:53] <agentc0re> hiptobecubic: when i tried it with dive i gave me errors for both audio and video.
[21:53] <edman007> Dominian, as they say, the reason it is bad is people need to call fsync() when they are done, and nobody does that
[21:54] <hiptobecubic> agentc0re, haven't seen it work yet. pm your gtalk nick
[21:54] <Dominian> edman007: yah.
[21:54] <antiwire> i can talk to dive over xmpp
[21:54] <Dominian> ok.. well I'll reformat it as ext3 then
[21:54] <antiwire> we don't have cams though
[21:54] <hiptobecubic> antiwire, i wonder what's going on with these 503 errors
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[21:55] <antiwire> hiptobecubic: like i suggested, logging under a windows vm using gtalk fixed it for me
[21:55] <hiptobecubic> fuck
[21:55] <hiptobecubic> another error 503
[21:55] <hiptobecubic> I can talk to some people and  not others.
[21:55] <antiwire> 503 on agentcore too
[21:55] <hiptobecubic> yeah
[21:55] <agentc0re> maybe it's me?
[21:55] <agentc0re> i'm also signed into my gmail account
[21:55] <hiptobecubic> agentc0re, antiwire and i both get it on each other too
[21:56] <agentc0re> wonder if that has something to do with it.
[21:56] <hiptobecubic> i'm not and it still does it
[21:56] <antiwire> all i can say is that voice and im works fine for me and dive
[21:56] <hiptobecubic> im works for dive and me as well
[21:56] <hiptobecubic> i didn't haev a mic to test voice
[21:56] <agentc0re> i can IM dive..
[21:56] <hiptobecubic> and i've since rebuilt all of gstreamer gst* libnice farsight2 pidgin
[21:56] <agentc0re> i didn't even get a request for either of you two though.
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[21:57] <hiptobecubic> agentc0re, yeah because it doesn't go through
[21:58] <agentc0re> hiptobecubic: you have to add me as a buddy.  I just got it to work with antiwire.. well IM at least.. no audio.
[21:58] <hiptobecubic> interesting. ok
[21:59] <antiwire> well don't I feel like a moron now
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[22:00] <quasar> ahhh just like dried shit on your ass.. just cuz you dont feel it dont mean it aint there
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[22:01] <antiwire> crash and burn
[22:01] <hiptobecubic> "Error creating session: Could not create the valve element"
[22:02] <hiptobecubic> antiwire, calling...
[22:02] <antiwire> I answered but I have a black screen
[22:02] <hiptobecubic> mine is waiting for you to answer
[22:02] <hiptobecubic> damn this thing
[22:02] <hiptobecubic> you start a vid call with me
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[22:03] <hiptobecubic> or crash out..
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[22:03] <antiwire> crashed again
[22:04] <antiwire> agentc0re: also, you need the gst plugins from SBo
[22:04] <hiptobecubic> try dive's
[22:04] <antiwire> good, bad, ugly and we all did gst-ffmpeg too
[22:04] <antiwire> yeah use what dive posted
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[22:04] <antiwire> the versions will match then
[22:04] <dive> antiwire, I have a full set of sb's now
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[22:04] <dive> with all latest versions
[22:04] <hiptobecubic> http://www.unrealize.co.uk/slackbuilds/12.2/pidgin-2.6.1/
[22:04] <antiwire> agentc0re: i'm using gstreamer-0.10.24-i486-1
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[22:05] <hiptobecubic> antiwire, can you try starting a vid call to me or does it crash?
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[22:05] <dive> also there was a problem with one of the SBo slackbuilds for _64
[22:05] <dive> which I've fixed
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[22:05] <agentc0re> okay, brb.. i screwed up last night and had two gstreamer packages installed.. :/
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[22:07] <antiwire> agentc0re owned us all
[22:07] <Dominian> hehe
[22:07] <antiwire> "just add the person as a buddy"...
[22:07] <antiwire> We spent hours last night
[22:07] Action: hiptobecubic hangs head
[22:07] <antiwire> looking up error codes and shit
[22:08] <hiptobecubic> I feel like there's a better way to say "you can't IM people not on your list" than "ERROR 503. SERVICE UNAVAILABLE"
[22:08] <antiwire> As soon as more than just two people can voice we need to see how many can yell at each other at once
[22:08] <udevd> it's 4 :10
[22:08] <udevd> should i go sleep?
[22:08] <udevd> ;p
[22:08] <dive> I found the problem with -ulgy is that it won't compile if x264 is installed. need removepkg and then install again after.
[22:08] <hiptobecubic> i wonder why mine is such a bag of turds. can't connect half of the time. i should check ports....
[22:08] <thrice`> is slackware installed yet? :)
[22:09] <edman007> udevd, negatory
[22:09] <udevd> ;>
[22:09] <edman007> dive, i got ugly running here...
[22:09] <antiwire> ugly is good for me too
[22:09] <dive> edman007, same here now
[22:09] <antiwire> edman007: are you using the latest gstreamer too?
[22:09] <dive> but it conflicts with x286 from SBo
[22:09] <edman007> in fact i think i have almost all of the plugins, only skipped the ogl one or whatever
[22:09] <dive> er x264
[22:10] <edman007> antiwire, as of a week ago...did they update since then?
[22:10] <antiwire> i thin it's .24?
[22:10] <antiwire> think*
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[22:10] <edman007> yup
[22:10] <antiwire> k
[22:10] <antiwire> edman007: did you build the new pidgin?
[22:10] <edman007> yup
[22:10] <antiwire> that's what we're all messing with
[22:11] <edman007> runs just fine, new icons too
[22:11] <hiptobecubic> what ports does it use anyway?
[22:11] <edman007> hiptobecubic, whatever it needs...depends on the protocols you use
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[22:11] <hiptobecubic> gtalk voice/vid
[22:12] <edman007> antiwire, i actually have a debug build and got it set to core dump on crash due to a long standing bug that pisses me off
[22:12] <antiwire> lol
[22:12] <edman007> i just send the dev the backtrace for the last version
[22:12] <edman007> they keep complaining that they can't reproduce
[22:13] <edman007> http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/7508
[22:13] <edman007> it sucks when you have friends that randomly go on and offline
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[22:16] <edman007> antiwire, but i like the MSN error message, from microsoft i would suspect an error message more formal than this -> http://pastebin.ca/1537204
[22:17] <antiwire> lol
[22:17] <edman007> that is their HTTP 500 SoapFault error page
[22:17] <dive> haha
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[22:24] <ganeshix> Hi all.
[22:25] <ganeshix> Some time ago I upgraded from 12.1 to 12.2
[22:25] <ganeshix> Now my KDE is acting strange: kicker freezing, konqueror file manager freezing....
[22:26] <eviljames> anything in .xsession-errors?
[22:27] <eviljames> did you follow the .txt file?  remove any libs you shouldn't have?
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[22:28] <ganeshix> eviljames, I removed the libs...
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[22:28] <ganeshix> I am looking at .xsession-errors...
[22:30] <ganeshix> There is something about kicker...
[22:31] <ganeshix> I'm just wondering. Is it safe to wipe out current 3.5.10 KDE and install KDE 4.2 from current?
[22:32] <ganeshix> Or would I be shooting myself in the foot?
[22:32] <antiwire> that will not work
[22:32] <antiwire> you either go all current or none
[22:34] <udevd> strange... it's 4:30 and i don't want to sleep...
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[22:36] <antiwire> fredoslack is here...let the weirdness begin
[22:37] <fredoslack> hi antiwire  :)
[22:37] <antiwire> hello
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[22:37] <udevd> :)
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[22:51] <agentc0re> antiwire, dive: so I previously had an older gstreamer and base plugin packages installed that i didn't realize.  So i'm going to just recompile farsight2 now that those are gone and then pidgin and go from there.. If that doesn't work.... i'll start from scratch.
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[22:51] <antiwire> cool
[22:51] <antiwire>  think it will work at that point
[22:51] <antiwire> I*
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[22:51] <agentc0re> antiwire: from scratch or recompile of farsight2 then pidgin?
[22:52] <antiwire> after farsight2 and pidgin
[22:52] <dchmelik> farsight2?
[22:52] <agentc0re> i hope.  I can't think of what problems it would have caused in the packages before farsight2 with the older existing gstreamer and base plugins with their newer counter parts installed on top.
[22:53] <udevd> i'm going sleep
[22:53] <udevd> goodbye :)
[22:53] <udevd> aw.
[22:53] <thrice`> later udevd
[22:53] Nick change: udevd -> udevd^
[22:53] <agentc0re> antiwire: do you know which plugin package contains valve?
[22:53] <antiwire> bad
[22:54] <agentc0re> antiwire: what version of bad do you have?
[22:54] <antiwire> 0.10.13
[22:54] <antiwire> but I have no cam, only voice here
[22:54] <dive> agentc0re, use the salckbuilds here: http://www.unrealize.co.uk/slackbuilds
[22:54] <dive> then we should all be on the same
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[22:55] <dive> gimme a shout if you need me - gonna be afk a bit
[22:55] <Dominian> dive: SHOUT
[22:55] <Dominian> :)
[22:55] <agentc0re> dive: did you mod the scripts?
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[22:57] <dive> agentc0re, I only changed tag and fixed a few for x86_64
[22:58] <agentc0re> dive: Oh, okay.
[22:59] <agentc0re> dive: either i was blind last night/morning when i couldn't sleep or you added a few that i just grabbed from SBo.
[22:59] <dive> I added some
[23:00] <dive> one of the ones from SBo was borked as far as _64 was concerned
[23:00] <dive> I have all the deps there now afaik
[23:00] <hiptobecubic> yes
[23:00] <hiptobecubic> dive, they all worked for me.
[23:01] <hiptobecubic> on 64-current
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[23:02] <dive> hiptobecubic, well one had libdir missing iirc
[23:02] <hiptobecubic> at least
[23:02] <dive> but i forget exactly now
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[23:02] <dive> brb
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[23:03] <Guest55287> does anyone know how to make firefox always start maximized?
[23:03] <Polycarbonate> i want to know that too..
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[23:04] <hiptobecubic> yeah you can
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[23:04] <hiptobecubic> i think..
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[23:04] <Polycarbonate> how!?!
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[23:06] <hiptobecubic> yeah I don't know. I have commands for where to load new urls etc... don't see any for geometry
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[23:06] <Polycarbonate> Make Firefox remember window size:
[23:06] <Polycarbonate> Start Firefox, resize the browser window as desired, then hold down the SHIFT
[23:06] <Polycarbonate> key while you press the [X] to close the window.
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[23:06] <Polycarbonate> i dont know if it work ill try
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[23:07] <hiptobecubic> interesting
[23:07] <hiptobecubic> apparently there is a patch that will let you pass -geometry at runtime
[23:07] <Polycarbonate> it didnt work lol
[23:08] <Guest55287> the shift x didn't work for me
[23:08] <hiptobecubic> i didn't expect it to
[23:08] <hiptobecubic> lol
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[23:09] <Polycarbonate> ok found it :)
[23:09] <hiptobecubic> Polycarbonate, the patch?
[23:09] <Polycarbonate> only one tab was open
[23:09] <Polycarbonate> maximize the window
[23:09] <Polycarbonate> file>close
[23:09] <Polycarbonate> try
[23:10] <hiptobecubic> mine already starts maximized
[23:10] <Polycarbonate> it worked for me
[23:10] <Guest55287> didn't work for me. maybe there is a permission that i don't have?
[23:11] <Polycarbonate> i wasnt root
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[23:12] <Dominian> hiptobecubic: :P
[23:13] <hiptobecubic> :)
[23:14] <Dominian> hiptobecubic: just another tip.. you may want to /umode +i
[23:14] <Guest55287> what does that do
[23:14] <Dominian> Hides channels you are in from /whois
[23:15] <hiptobecubic> interesting
[23:15] <Dominian> hiptobecubic: makes it so "trolls" and the like can't bounce from channel to channel harrassing you :)
[23:15] <hiptobecubic> That doesn't bother me so much. I just don't want my ip broadcasted to a bunch of script kiddies in ##linux
[23:15] <Dominian> hehe
[23:15] <Dominian> yeah
[23:16] <Guest55287> hmm
[23:16] <Guest55287> :)
[23:16] <Dominian> ##linux is definitely "interesting"
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[23:18] <agentc0re> going offline while i recompile all this.
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[23:21] <Quiznos> i'm feelin a persecution coming on
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[23:21] <Quiznos> "How dare you take the holy name of Troll in vain
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[23:22] <Quiznos> hiptobecubic who's botherin my cubic friend?
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[23:23] <Quiznos> hiptobecubic pkg: fail2ban, but its writ in python
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[23:24] <hiptobecubic> Quiznos, yeah i discovered that one last year when china was trying to guess my user/pass every 3 seconds for 2 months
[23:25] <Quiznos> dynamic servers? LOL
[23:25] <powtrix> hiptobecubic, are you using KDE?
[23:25] <hiptobecubic> no
[23:25] <powtrix> Guest52183, you I mean
[23:26] <powtrix> kstart --maximize /usr/bin/firefox
[23:26] <powtrix> start the firefox maximized
[23:27] <powtrix> http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/faq/windowmanager.html
[23:27] <powtrix> KDE inside
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[23:27] <hiptobecubic> boooo kde
[23:27] <hiptobecubic> also booo emacs and mutt
[23:27] <fire|bird> \o/, KDE4 :)
[23:28] <fire|bird> How's it going hiptobecubic?
[23:28] <hiptobecubic> fire|bird, dandy yourself?
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[23:29] Action: edman007 kicks hiptobecubic 
[23:29] <hiptobecubic> well now everything sucks.
[23:29] <powtrix> hiptobecubic sucks?
[23:29] <fire|bird> hiptobecubic: doing great, thanks. :)
[23:29] <edman007> hiptobecubic, and vi suck
[23:29] Action: fire|bird hits edman007
[23:29] Action: edman007 tackles fire|bird 
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[23:29] <hiptobecubic> vi does suck
[23:29] <fire|bird> :O
[23:29] <hiptobecubic> vim is great, however
[23:30] Action: edman007 stabs hiptobecubic 
[23:30] <hiptobecubic> :deflect
[23:30] Action: edman007 gets a sword that can cut light
[23:30] <hiptobecubic> psssst, all objects can cut light
[23:31] <edman007> no they cannot
[23:31] Action: fire|bird gets a mirror that can *reflect* light. :D
[23:31] <edman007> swords that cut light make you perfectly invisible
[23:31] <edman007> by cutting the light so you can walk between it
[23:32] <hiptobecubic> edman007, you sound like you've been reading too much about the timecube
[23:32] <edman007> hiptobecubic, you don't watch enough syfy
[23:32] <antiwire> when you guys mention timecube are you talking about the bullshit website?
[23:32] Action: edman007 thinks that sounds like an std
[23:32] <hiptobecubic> i stopped watching when it changed to 'syfy'
[23:33] <hiptobecubic> antiwire, BULLSHIT!?!?
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[23:33] <antiwire> this bullshit http://www.timecube.com/
[23:33] <edman007> antiwire, did you even read all of it?
[23:33] <antiwire> it's like endless bullshit
[23:33] <antiwire> rambling
[23:33] <edman007> antiwire, but did you read all of it?
[23:33] <antiwire> i got about 2/3 through and stopped
[23:33] <hiptobecubic> I'd say it's 'godly' but god is a lie! All that is real are the four corners of time across the Earth!
[23:34] <edman007> antiwire, finish it, the ending...well you just have to read it
[23:34] <antiwire> pages like that, they keep scrolling for about 70 feet...
[23:34] <antiwire> wtf.
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[23:36] <dive> never again
[23:36] <hiptobecubic> Why are there so many pastebin websites
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[23:36] <dive> its a fad, like twitter
[23:37] <edman007> or tr.im
[23:37] <hiptobecubic> what is that.. tinyurl again?
[23:38] <antiwire> that timecube website is like someone cat'd together every 4chan and IRC RandomTroll that ever existed and put the resulting concatenation on one site
[23:39] <hiptobecubic> in 1997!
[23:39] <dive> lol
[23:39] <edman007> hiptobecubic, yea
[23:39] <edman007> antiwire, but i think en.wikipedia.org is much better at sucking up time
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[23:40] <antiwire> lol
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[23:46] <antiwire> great "anti" is mentioned in that site.
[23:46] <antiwire> that's just fantastic
[23:47] <antiwire> this is an ADDers nightmare, i might add...ADD
[23:51] <juice> hi
[23:54] <dive> monin
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[23:55] <antiwire> dive: you're awake now?
[23:56] <antiwire> how much do you sleep?
[23:56] <dive> awake and hungover ;/
[23:56] <antiwire> lol
[23:56] <dive> I said last time 'never again' but I never listen
[23:56] <dive> and headache tablets aren't helping much
[23:56] <antiwire> hahaha
[23:57] <dive> agentc0re|work, what's happening? Compiled? Installed?
[23:57] <antiwire> caught fire?
[23:57] <dive> agentc0re|work, by the way most of the those slackbuilds are my own. Just version bumped a few.
[23:58] <dive> so I guess they are moslty different to SBo
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