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[00:08] thanks guys [00:09] The-Croupier: just used that term as a generalization [00:14] MLanden: thanks [00:14] The-Croupier: np [00:17] hopefully, the info is close to accurate..retailers could exaggerate those figures to hype sales [00:18] yeah.. i know ...thats what im trying to find out [00:19] firefox makes sooooo many connections.... amazing :( [00:19] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [00:20] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [00:23] KaMii (~nebulae@unaffiliated/kamii) joined ##slackware. [00:24] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-18-164-132.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:29] KaMii (~nebulae@unaffiliated/kamii) left irc: Quit: Changing server [00:30] SmartOne (~SmartOne@112.135.38.45) joined ##slackware. [00:31] KaMii (~nebulae@91.90.31.21) joined ##slackware. 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[01:16] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-18-164-132.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:17] tsccof (~tsccof@201-89-150-25.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:18] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-165.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [01:19] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [01:20] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [01:26] elkclone (patrick@173.180.172.148) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [01:27] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:30] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [01:34] magician (~magician@li44-236.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [01:35] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:35] I have a question. Can one install Slackware 13.1 on a HP Mini 1000 ? It has an Intel Atom CPU [01:35] boot the cd and try - if it boots, it should be installable [01:36] alisonken1lap: yep it boots :), so I guess I'll give it a try [01:38] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:38] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:40] looks like getting slackware 13.1 on this computer is impossible [01:40] well unless I upgrade it from 11.0 [01:40] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [01:41] KaMii: check with people here... i've heard an upgrade is less than optimal [01:41] well, the kernel is too big for a floppy boot disk [01:41] I cant use etherboot because my ethrenet is pcmcia [01:42] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [01:42] and I have no cdrom or usb [01:42] spectre (~kyle@pool-173-63-28-67.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:43] unless there is some way to get it to boot off a zipdrive, but i doubt it, as the kernel would still need to be on a floppy [01:43] KaMii: the only somewhat supported upgrade is from one version previous only - like 13.0 to 13.1 [01:44] for any other older version, fresh install is recommended - especially with the changes made to core libs in 13.1 [01:44] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:44] i figured as much [01:44] maybe i will just install the kernel from /extras and forget about upgrading [01:45] i think /extras has a 2.6 kernel for slack 11 [01:45] and look at the etherboot webpage for booting from floppy to get into an etherboot network boot setup [01:45] is this a laptop? [01:45] alisonken1lap: i did, and it requires an ethernet that the bios can detect and boot into for net support [01:45] if yes, there's an adapter you can get to be able to plug in your laptop ide drive into a desktop ide cable [01:45] and ya its a laptopt and the only ethernet is pcmcia [01:46] alisonken1lap: i highly doubt my bios would allow for that [01:46] its a very old lappy [01:46] KaMii: your laptop bios does not matter if you remove your laptop hard drive and plug it into your desktop machine [01:46] IBM thinkpad 760E [01:46] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [01:47] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [01:47] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:48] many a laptop I've setup by taking the drive out, putting it into my desktop machine, installing slackware onto the laptop drive, then putting the drive back into the laptop [01:48] oh, i see [01:48] ya, I could do that [01:48] like I said, though, it requires an ide cable adapter - ide -> mini-ide [01:48] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-119-28.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:49] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-95-251.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:49] ya, i dont have one [01:49] popl (~popl@unaffiliated/popl) joined ##slackware. [01:50] but ya i should get one, it would make installing slackware that much easier [01:50] KaMii: http://www.qvs.com/internal-adaptor.asp [01:50] i can get one at www.kjell.se [01:50] less than $10US from http://www.abletronics.com [01:51] i live in sweden so everything will cost about $25 here [01:51] well, abletronics only ships to us residents, so want to look at the qvs site or take a picture to your local computer store and see if they have one [01:52] i can easily get one at kjell & company [01:52] www.kjell.se does not resolve for me [01:53] oh, .com [01:53] ah, that's 'cause it's kjell.com [01:53] :P [01:53] i thought it was .se [01:53] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [01:53] Swedish language is fun. [01:54] Not as fun as Finnish. [01:54] just ask Linus [01:54] too many vowels in finnish [01:54] Abletronics! [01:54] I visited the shop a few weeks ago. [01:54] I also recommend monoprice.com for cheap cables and related parts. [01:54] KaMii: Finnish people are very expressive and that is reflected in their language. [01:55] Motoko-chan: 6th street off of archibald in rancho cucamonga? [01:55] Yes. [01:55] You people are in California? [01:55] used to work there before I go this job [01:55] evilaz (~user@cpe-075-176-171-074.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:55] I used to go to the shop when it was on Archibald. [01:55] Before they moved. [01:55] in fact, I live just across the railroad tracks from there [01:55] Interesting. [01:55] Action: KaMii thinks those two probabaly met before in that store [01:55] you may have met me then [01:56] tall skinny guy [01:56] Apartments, right? [01:56] alisonken1lap: tall skinny guy narrows it down [01:56] no - that was someone else [01:56] I don't recall houses in that area. [01:56] I don't usually travel 6th that much. [01:56] drive down feron between archibald - behind the apartments on archibald [01:56] /msg :P [01:57] If I remember. [01:57] Then I'll go stalk you. [01:57] seriously, get a room [01:57] 6th is mostly industrial [01:57] Action: popl prints directions to alisonken1lap's place on craigslist [01:57] Yeah. [01:57] Right by the Frito Lay plant. [01:57] s/print/post/ [01:58] You ever been to Monoprice? [01:58] the frito lay plant is on 4th [01:58] alisonken1lap, close enough. [01:58] :) [01:58] You can smell chips on some days. [01:58] feron between archibald and hermosa is where the housing is- by the elementary school [01:58] omegageek (rooot@69-165-138-51.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:58] Oh, okay. [01:58] i stopped eating corn ever since its been genetically modified and just on monday i was saying how i miss corn chips [01:59] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:59] grow your own [01:59] You work at Abletronics? [01:59] oh wait you can't [01:59] Monsanto makes all the seeds. :P [01:59] popl, that and ADM would burn it to the ground. [02:00] Motoko-chan: used to - left there about 4 years ago, but I still help him with his computer stuff [02:00] Note that not all corn is GM [02:00] Action: KaMii loves genetically modified food [02:00] alisonken1lap, ah. [02:00] Motoko-chan: yet [02:00] 85% of the us crop is gm [02:00] Mipsalawishus (~Mipsalawi@170.206.224.50) joined ##slackware. [02:00] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [02:00] if it wasnt for genitcally modified foods, there would be a lot more poverty in the world [02:00] Motoko-chan: GM crops have mixed with wild crops in some places. [02:00] and that food is going to help feed the world [02:00] i don't know where you can get non gm corn from, especially since the pollen contaminates non gm fields [02:01] thats malarky [02:01] you can breed new strains without using virus or snail dna [02:01] Anyway, I work down in Ontario. I'm in the Morgan Stanley Smith Barney building right by the airport off Haven. [02:01] monsanto had sued a neighboring farmer about that - and the cour dumped on monsanto because it was wind-blown seeds that had contaminated the neighbor farmer's crop [02:02] omegageek (rooot@69-165-138-51.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [02:02] and whats really bad about gm corn is that it produces toxins that the bacteria in the wild are already mutating to adapt to and could make anpicillin useless [02:02] cool - I kinda know that building since I go to sams club a lot [02:02] and I used to drop off ups/fedex at the airport when ups daily was missed [02:02] blah, blah, blah, im going back to reading my book about how aliens built the pyramids [02:02] Skywise, I think MRSP is a bigger problem. [02:02] KaMii: http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/media/press-releases/biotech-giant-monsanto-revises-pledge-on-suicide-seeds [02:03] KaMii: It's only about Monsanto making money. [02:03] I like that there is now a good music store in the Mills. [02:03] Action: KaMii hates green peace they lie about everything [02:03] Used music! [02:03] Not everything. Look it up elsewhere if you have the inclination to not be duped. [02:04] Action: KaMii can really care less [02:04] You mean "can't" care less [02:04] Bought four CDs there this week for under $18 [02:04] If you could care less then that means you must care at least a little bit. [02:04] i don't care about it [02:05] KaMii: Yet you've formulated an opinion that GM crops are awesome. [02:05] Probably going to get a capo from Sam Ash tomorrow. I'm trying to learn guitar and found a few practice songs that could use one. [02:05] KaMii: Are you sure you're not American? [02:05] :P [02:05] popl: i am american [02:05] im duel citizen [02:05] ah, that makes so much more sense [02:06] military? [02:06] Lol...this the most fun I've had on my blackberry in a long time. [02:06] kworrell (~kworrell@cpe-76-93-164-45.san.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [02:06] no [02:07] Motoko-chan: what kind of guitar do you have? [02:08] KaMii - is that supposed to sound Commie? [02:08] Just a cheapo little Fender knock-off. [02:08] magician (~magician@li44-236.members.linode.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:08] And an ancient classical acoustic. [02:08] The acoustic is over 20 years old (and kinda beat up). [02:08] im not a communist [02:09] nah, he's just an apathetic teenager [02:09] :P [02:09] my wife won a 12-string at a festival in texas that was signed by a christian rock band - pretty nice one too [02:09] KaMii - no offense meant. Wasn't sure. [02:09] and your a conspiracy nutcase thinking that GM crops are evil [02:10] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [02:10] KaMii: I didn't say they were evil. [02:10] KaMii: I said Monsanto is making money. [02:10] but who cares about what we think of eachother [02:10] Well - I gotta get some sleep. Busy day tomorrow. [02:10] Mipsalawishus: long day of sympathizing with commies? [02:10] Mipsalawishus: get your rest comrade [02:10] ;P [02:11] :p [02:11] Haha [02:11] No reds here! [02:11] quit wasting money IRCing on your Blackberry [02:11] isn't that expensive? [02:12] Nope [02:12] Company phone. :P [02:12] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:13] Unlimited data plan. [02:13] dont all cellphones come with unlimited data plan? [02:13] KaMii: no way [02:13] huh.... they pretty much do over here [02:13] KaMii: mine is $10 per month [02:14] 150 m/s download for about $25 a month, unlimited bandwidth [02:14] KaMii: who's your carrier? [02:14] tele2 [02:14] and what kind of device? [02:14] but i think its Telia that offers that price [02:14] Action: popl is very interesting in mobile technology [02:14] idk my phone isnt even 3g [02:14] 150m/s? [02:15] yup [02:15] what kind of measurement is that? [02:15] I assume he meant MB/s [02:15] can't assume [02:15] and i guarantee its not MB [02:15] yes you can [02:15] you just shouldn't [02:15] :) [02:15] everyones a genius in here until you say m/s [02:15] lol [02:15] KaMii: m/s Mb/s MB/s all have different meaings [02:16] m/s latency maybe? [02:16] and im sure you don't mean what you meant [02:16] s/meant/typed/ [02:16] and like i have said about a thousand times, I cant understand the difference between all those [02:16] KaMii: you should figure it out [02:16] would you like me to clarify? [02:16] It's obviously meters/second. The mobility is somewhat restricted [02:16] i have tried, but math and me done mix [02:16] its extremely important to understand teh difference to understand network speed [02:17] KaMii: there isnt much math involved [02:17] bit byte, it all sounds the same [02:17] hah [02:17] its not the same [02:17] sounds the same, but isn't [02:17] *gasp* [02:17] and they actually do sound different [02:17] capital B lowercase b... blah, i cant keep it strait [02:17] No, it actually doesn't sound the same. [02:17] Kb = Killo BIT, Mb = Mega BIT [02:18] Bits are not the same as bytes [02:18] i know that [02:18] i just cant remember the difference [02:18] network speeds is measured in octets or 8 bits / second [02:18] and I can never remember if its MB or Mb [02:18] 16 bits to 1 byte [02:18] MB is Mega BYTE, KB is Killo BYTE [02:19] same with < > I dont know which is greater than or less than, i always get that confused [02:19] Mipsalawishus: no, 1 byte is 8 bits [02:19] Mipsalawishus: wrong sucka [02:19] < less than > greater than [02:19] i cant believe people waste time talking about this subject all the time [02:19] less than always points left [02:19] jeev: I know. [02:19] see you guys already lost me [02:19] it's like, what's the point of me even finishing my BS [02:19] KaMii: you will need to understand these concepts to excel in the IT world [02:19] [L]ess than - [L]eft [02:20] gniks: /excel/survive/ [02:20] i just love it when people tell me i need something, then I end up accomplishing the task without it, and they always wonder how I did it.... [02:20] hehe, yeah [02:20] KaMii: Good luck with that. [02:20] KaMii: accomplishing a task, and understanding whats going on and predicting your actions are 2 way different things [02:20] no such thing as luck [02:21] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-95-251.gwi.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat-0.3.1.1 [02:21] calculate for me how long it will take to transfer a 100MB file over a 100Mbps link [02:21] gniks: i do believe I was only talking about accomplishing [02:21] ok :p [02:21] funny how a few mintes ago you refused to assume something, now you are happy to assume many things [02:21] im not assuming anything [02:21] im making a point [02:22] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:22] you must know the difference [02:22] I like when KaMii puffs up and feels all self-important. [02:22] KaMii: You can do it! [02:22] gniks: that is why they created calculators [02:22] KaMii: to use a calculator you must know the formulas [02:22] most of the online calculators are flawed for bandwidth conversions [02:22] in a ti-82 they have formula programs already writeen [02:23] see i just need the program [02:23] yeah yeah& but again, you need to understand the theory behind it [02:23] those programs didn't always exist, and you won't always have access to them [02:23] 8 bits - not16. Lol. Shit - how did I mess that up [02:23] lol good luck on getting that to ever happen [02:23] gniks: no, he doesn't. he's right. the world is in the hands of apathetic muppets. [02:23] my understanding math??? haha, funny [02:24] i cant even add or subtract [02:24] i love how you're set on being ignorant to a very important distinction instead of trying to understand it [02:24] i have to use my fingers [02:24] your education system must be proud [02:24] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:24] KaMii: Maybe you should try art. Or CIS -- you don't have to understand graph theory or computability for a CIS major here. [02:24] im just not a math person gniks. i accept it and move on [02:25] im not a math person either, but i can do simple multiplication and division, and memorize some patterns [02:25] I failed basic math 8 times, i dont think Im going to ever grasp double digit numbers [02:25] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-18-164-132.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:26] at that rate you will never finish school [02:26] math only gets harder [02:26] im not required to take it anymore [02:26] in what country? [02:26] they gave me a calculator and told me to use it [02:26] lulz [02:26] and thus sealed your fate [02:26] you still must know the formulas, and how to use the formulas [02:26] ya, my level of happiness went up a lot [02:27] good luck in college, they will take the calculator away [02:27] happiness is directly proportional to ignorance KaMii [02:27] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-18-164-132.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:27] gniks: quit preaching :P [02:27] who said I wanted to waste my time in college? [02:27] to survive in this world one usually must go to college and get and education [02:27] hrm... tell that to bill gates [02:28] anyone i know who skipped college is working a dead end job at fast food or retail [02:28] I took a course on ordinary differential equations in college. That was not as fun as vector calculus. [02:28] hes a dropout [02:28] KaMii: we live in a different time than bill gates did [02:28] KaMii: Also Bill Gates comes from a rich family. [02:28] gniks: your not my pappa, so quit trying to control me, even he never does that [02:29] im not trying to control anyone& im trying to make a point, and your total lack of caring about your future or education is very disturbing [02:29] im just saying college does not gaurantee anything [02:29] no it doesn't& but is significantly improves [02:29] i care a lot about my future [02:29] Kamii - bill gates got lucky with his business deal with ibm. That's all -luck. [02:29] just not in the way you want me to [02:29] luck does not exist [02:29] well, learn data sizes if your going to discuss them [02:29] and thats not an argument, fact is fact, hes a college dropout [02:30] he also dropped out of college because he started a business, not because he coudln't hack it [02:30] Mipsalawishus: as noted, if he didn't get lucky with IBM, he could still ride on daddy's/mommy's coattails and live much better than any one of us [02:30] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:30] slight difference [02:30] gniks: reasons are not the issue, he dropped out [02:30] i think gniks right education is very importen in this time [02:30] hes a drop out [02:31] KaMii: its very relevant, you can't specify a fact without looking at the surrounding reasons and WHY it happened [02:31] KaMii: So you're comparing yourself to Bill Gates? [02:31] teh WHY is the HOW [02:31] KaMii: I think he's better at math than you are. [02:31] KaMii: actually, reasons do count when talking college - although BG did get an honorary at some college (probably due to his "donations", thought) [02:31] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-18-164-132.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:31] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [02:31] all i said is hes a college dropout, and that 'honorary' came after the fact [02:32] but how did he get it? [02:32] you guys are thinking wayyy too much into what I said [02:32] im pretty sure he was educated [02:32] correct - but you have to look at why he dropped out, not just that he dropped out [02:32] gniks: said i need a college education to succeed. I assumed he was meaning I need a degree [02:33] I provided one source that did not get this [02:33] and is doing quite well [02:33] who's assuming now? [02:33] :P [02:33] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:33] lulz [02:33] He would go dumpster diving for source code that was printed and then thrown away. [02:33] again, I draw your attention to the fact that you're no Bill Gates. :) [02:33] i never said I was [02:33] and the software giant market is taken :p [02:33] Mipsalawishus: I picture him in a ski mask with a pistol [02:33] Lol [02:34] Mipsalawishus: but with glasses [02:34] im just pointint out that its possible to get ahead in life without needing college [02:34] KaMii: If you're white and rich, sure. [02:34] and there are a lot of people doing quite well that never went to college [02:34] KaMii: Are you white and rich? [02:34] popl: look at oprah [02:34] The nerdy unixbomber [02:34] yes, its possible, but in this day and age, your chances of doing so are only about 1% [02:34] just screw everybody you can, and then when you have a fortune, continue to don't care [02:34] she never went to university either [02:34] she was working when she was a girl [02:35] she worked extremely hard, and im sure she understands her math [02:35] exactly, work, its all about your effort [02:35] also, a different era [02:35] do you put it in college or in something else [02:35] you have to look at the era these people accomplished these things [02:35] thank you, about time you guys got to where I was [02:35] you don't live in that era [02:35] who cares about era, its all about you [02:35] and your motivation [02:35] dont be so narrow minded [02:35] not its not [02:35] its about what others see in you [02:36] you can't do jack squat without financial backers [02:36] gniks: you are a 'glass is half empty' person [02:36] i am 'glass is half full' [02:36] no point in dicussing this [02:36] of AIDS [02:37] enjoy your AIDS [02:37] your always going to be negative [02:37] i asked if you wanted to learn the difference of something, so you coudl be more educated [02:37] then you started cutting your own understanding of simple mathematics that 5 year olds understand [02:38] im trying to do what this room is here for, teach you something [02:38] since you clearly didn't understand the topic [02:38] No, this channel is about Slackware. [02:38] popl: to learn about slackware and other linux and computer related topcis [02:38] The topic is Slackware Linux. Not KaMii's life, or gnik's soapbox. [02:38] :P [02:39] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-238.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:39] An understanding of your previous generation's work ethics is very important KaMii. It helps you better relate to your superiors and that is always a good thing in their eyes. [02:39] true - ##offtopic would be a better place for this conversation [02:39] popl: i point you ot my original point& was to explain the difference between bits and bytes& not to get on a soap box [02:39] and yet here you remain [02:39] :P [02:39] popl: your not helping [02:39] gniks: you're* [02:40] ;) [02:40] alisonken1lap: agreed [02:40] tsccof: im a lazy C++ programmer :p [02:40] I third the motion [02:40] All those in favor? [02:40] :P [02:40] gniks: ! I respect you then XD [02:40] As if this is a democracy. [02:40] yaya :) [02:41] Coke (~coke@c-3ebee055.1212-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [02:41] Mipsalawishus (~Mipsalawi@170.206.224.50) left irc: Quit: used jmIrc [02:41] still waiting to hear whats the difference between a bit and a byte [02:42] KaMii: Google it. [02:42] which one is B which one is b [02:42] 7 bits difference between a bit and a byte [02:42] but what's a nibble? [02:43] lol nibble depends on the architecture you're on [02:43] B is byte (8 bits) b is bits (a single bit) [02:43] this is exactly why math doent make sense, no one ever has an answer [02:43] KaMii: I beg to differ [02:43] gniks: nope - a nibble is half a byte [02:43] KaMii: if you stop and read what we are telling you [02:43] you're thinking computer word [02:43] KaMii: The point is probably to try and motivate you to find the answer yourself. [02:43] and a nipple is... oh sorry [02:43] hmm, i was sure nibble and word both depended [02:44] nope [02:44] I'm done. [02:44] meh, no one measures things in nibbles anyway :p [02:44] KaMii: and bits/bytes is not math [02:44] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:46] Nick change: emma -> em [02:46] http://imgur.com/gallery/Igqiz [02:46] I bet you're all the kind of people who gives a crying child sweets to appease it. [02:46] :P [02:46] ok so now that we can all agree i have no clue what Mb MB is, next time i use it (wrong) dont yell at me bacause you all had plenty of time to explain it, but all refused to [02:46] Hah. [02:46] KaMii: no one refused anything& you refuse to listen to our explaination [02:46] trolled by a 15 year old [02:47] awesome [02:47] KaMii: it's been explained several times - even by me [02:47] that didnt make any sense to me [02:47] KaMii: a bit is the smallest form of data in the world of computers [02:47] KaMii: it is either on or off. that's it. no other values. [02:47] a byte is 8 bits grouped together [02:47] jeev: I saw that before. I wonder where it's from. [02:48] so for network speeds, its always MB? [02:48] KaMii: by combining several bits you can have larger numbers than just 0 and 1 [02:48] typically, network speed is in Mb - megabits per second [02:48] storage is defined in MB - megabytes [02:49] why didnt you say that half an hour ago? that makes sense finally [02:49] KaMii: Tron also has a pet bit as companion in the original movie [02:49] sometimes I'm glad you can't stab people over IRC [02:49] we tried to - but it was interspersed with Monsanto and GM corn discussion :) [02:49] lol [02:49] alisonken1lap: That's not the reason. [02:50] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-165.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [02:50] popl: didn't say it was the _only_ reason [02:50] KaMii: how old are you? [02:50] alisonken1lap: No, but you implied it was the main one. [02:50] KaMii: I'm not sure, but I think you will learn number bases in highschool [02:50] Coke: i was informed by one of the chanel ops that age is not a question anyone should ask, and I am not allowed to tell my age anymore [02:50] KaMii: ok, it doesnt matter [02:51] I remember someone talking about "assuming" things earlier in the discussion :) [02:51] then dont ask [02:51] KaMii: but if you didn't do highschool or university you will learn about numeric bases [02:51] when you do [02:51] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [02:51] alisonken1lap: what does assumption have to do with implication in this case? [02:51] Bits have the base 2. Our numerical system has 10. [02:51] nevermind [02:51] it doesn't matter [02:51] In computers it is also common with a base of 16 and sometimes 8. [02:51] Coke: you already lost me [02:51] alisonken1lap: forget I asked [02:51] because of you assuming that my mention of the corn discussion was the reason I was giving [02:51] so, im just going to stop you from wasting time [02:51] KaMii: well. think of our digits. there are ten of them [02:52] KaMii: in a binary system (the world of bits) you only have two digits, one and zero [02:52] KaMii: other systems have 8 or 16 digits. [02:52] octal base and hexadecimal base [02:52] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [02:52] 0123456789ABCDEF <- hexadecimal with a base of 16, i.e 16 digits [02:52] don't forget triary base [02:52] trinary [02:52] 012? [02:52] alisonken1lap: is it used anywhere outside of physics? [02:52] lulz, does anyone ever use base 8 or 3? [02:52] +, 0, - [02:53] Action: KaMii is reading the book 'Chariots of the gods' i dont care about this discussion, please dont ping me anymore [02:53] gniks: I use the octal base [02:53] chariots of the gods is a stupid book [02:53] tsccof: for what? [02:53] Well, I'm just gonna ignore him then [02:53] gniks: university [02:53] saw the movie. wasn't impressed [02:53] yes, but what topic? [02:53] if he's going to be an ungreatful dickwad about it [02:53] gniks: numeric bases [02:53] gniks: rofl [02:53] Coke: go for it [02:53] popl: already did [02:53] tsccof: so nothing computer related ? [02:54] gniks: not yet :( [02:54] popl: /ignore is the reason why moderation is unecessary on IRC [02:54] thought not :p [02:54] gniks: but we are getting some great C classes [02:54] the only thing i could think of that would apply is network traffic calculations, but even that is base 2 [02:54] C is Batman, C++ is The Joker. [02:54] C rocks [02:55] what is JAVA/ [02:55] popl (~popl@unaffiliated/popl) left irc: Quit: http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop. [02:55] ? [02:55] C++ is the boy wonder [02:55] JAVA - the answer to a question nobody asked [02:55] tsccof: Java is the dog shit you accidentally step in [02:55] java is two face [02:55] and a problem that doesn't exist [02:55] alisonken1lap: ha good one! [02:55] alisonken1lap: I'm gonna have to remember that. it's so true on many levels [02:56] alisonken1lap: I will remember that one too! [02:56] So. Oracle... Win or lose? [02:56] once a bloke at my university started saying the "advantages" of JAVA over C [02:56] booooooo oracle [02:56] and I asked him about CFLAGS and he was like "what?" [02:56] lose [02:56] lulz [02:56] heh [02:56] tsccof: there are no advantages [02:57] There IS one big advantage with Java. Huge even. [02:57] it dumbs down programming? [02:57] Anyone suggesting you use it, you can automatically dismiss as a poseur, noob and moron [02:57] the only thing java does different is signed packages [02:57] So you can weed out the idiots on the first project meeting [02:57] Coke: oh he is all that [02:57] Along with the C# fanboys [02:57] well, that's one plus for java [02:57] what about perl? [02:58] lulz [02:58] python ftw [02:58] i love python [02:58] gniks: Perl is favoured only by bearded men who roam the cool server rooms and don't care about usability [02:58] yea, I heard perl is good for small projects, but python wins in terms of scalability [02:58] perl is great for usability - it just sucks for maintainability [02:58] tsccof: python is better than perl in every way [02:58] i work with sixapart devs at my job with MoveableType [02:58] they are idiots [02:58] except perhaps perl 6, it has some similar features [02:58] similar :p [02:58] In fact, both Ruby, Perl AND even Java are now immitating Python designs [02:58] its copying cause they know it sucks [02:59] yup [02:59] ill stick with the original [02:59] Well, they are TRYING to immitate [02:59] yeah, good luck i say [02:59] Java has fundamental design flaws in it's syntax and VM that can't be easily overcome by changing the API's [03:00] Ruby has the Perl idea of allowing many routes to solve the same problem while Python wants consistancy [03:00] the API's generally aren't the problem, its the interpretation [03:00] ckt1g3r (ckt1g3r@unaffiliated/ckt1g3r) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [03:00] gniks: nah, the API's suck big dong [03:00] they do, but its a separate issue [03:00] Ruby and Perl are extremely convoluted and are very easy to make mistakes you will never find [03:00] gniks: no, the API's are limited because of how Java handles type, code and declarative syntax [03:01] Yeah, but on the other hand both Ruby and Perl are very powerful. That cannot be said about Java. [03:01] right [03:01] My suggestion to anyone asking "what is best" is to try it all [03:01] yet python excels and is awesome [03:01] I did ten frigging years of professional Java programming, I say I have paid my dues [03:01] they all have their place [03:01] gniks: true. [03:01] though most in the trash [03:02] gniks: I still Perl a bit when bash isn't enough [03:02] as do i [03:02] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-142-9.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:02] Just found Perl a lot more flexible than awk or sed, but it's just a parsing extensible report language to me ;) [03:02] but im not like the insane jerks at work who are writing an entire CMS in perl [03:02] gniks: web based? [03:02] awk and sed are just old [03:02] yeah [03:02] moveabletype cms [03:02] eew [03:02] those guys work for my company [03:03] we are their 2nd largest customer [03:03] our VP brought it in as the "latest and greatest" addition to our infrastructure [03:03] zero7z (~chatzilla@58.69.78.47) joined ##slackware. [03:03] and 30 servers later [03:03] I have a hard time with web interfaces. I think they all suck donkey dick compared to a proper GTK or Qt app [03:03] django is fine [03:03] zero7z (chatzilla@58.69.78.47) left ##slackware. [03:03] fast, flexible, light weight [03:04] yet powerful [03:04] MT handles blog content, and comments, while django handles side rales and top and bottom rails on the sites [03:04] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-52-5.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:04] and we have a 3rd in house component that merges it all together for the requester [03:04] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-142-9.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:04] its a nifty solution to the lack of 1990s technologies [03:05] but, there are better ways to do it today, but they won't budge off it [03:05] gniks: write a Qt app [03:05] they'd rather pay someone to maintain old code than to use free software that is better debugged [03:05] its a web app, no need for Qt [03:05] gniks: hehe [03:05] i work for a publishing company [03:05] All web apps have a need for Qt [03:05] all we do is news :p [03:06] news. that which used to be printed on paper [03:06] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:06] oh they still print it [03:06] :p [03:06] Sounds redundant [03:06] not everyone can use a computer :p [03:07] But I guess it's like my mom says: better keep these things in paper in case civilization collapse and computers are no more [03:07] ok i must sleep so i can bring people their news in the morning [03:07] haha totally [03:08] night [03:08] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. 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[03:20] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-238.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:24] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:26] Snakkah (~ubuntu@99.175.88.230) joined ##slackware. [03:27] Hi. Can someone point me to a good HTTP or FTP server to download my packages from during installation? It appears that part of the CD burn didn't go well (it installed just fine but I'm wary about those packages that did not install). [03:28] Snakkah: where are you located? [03:28] USA. Specifically, Arkansas. [03:28] Snakkah: get the dvd [03:28] I did. [03:29] john_dee (~id@95-29-144-58.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:29] i dont know any of the usa servers from memory, i think you can find a whole list of all the servers on the slackware website [03:29] ikar (~ikar@103.223.34.95.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [03:29] Okay. [03:29] slackware.mirrors.tds.net [03:29] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net [03:29] Also, after installation, I tried running startx and it failed. [03:29] or you can check /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [03:30] Snakkah: failed on what ? [03:30] going to need a lot more information on why it failed [03:30] hello, i got this error-message, when i'm trying to start wine: "KDEInit could not launch '/usr/bin/wine'." what could be wrong? [03:30] specifically, http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/ <-- then choose your version [03:30] ikar: is there a /usr/bin/wine ? [03:30] yes [03:31] That's what I was hoping you could answer for me: for what reasons could it fail? [03:31] missing librarires [03:31] ikar: did you install a newer version of wine ontop of an older version? [03:31] maybe, KaMii [03:31] theres your problem [03:31] type su [03:31] then your passwork [03:31] then pkgtool [03:32] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:32] remove both wine packages, reinstall the new one [03:32] or first do a ls /var/log/packages | grep wine [03:32] Aah, thanks allot, KaMii [03:32] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:32] ok [03:33] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.2, revision: 4740, sources date: 20100627, built on: 2010-08-08 18:29:00 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [03:33] i am assuming you installed wine via a package, if not, then both those things i told you will not help you [03:33] Could it have been a problem with it not correctly recognizing my graphics driver? I read on Slackware that I should run xorgsetup or xorgconfig if any problems arise [03:34] KaMii, i did install via package [03:34] Snakkah: if you're running slackware v13.0 or 13.1, then you don't need an xorg.conf unless you have non-standard hardware or a specific setup for multiple monitors [03:34] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [03:34] and possibly having to use a proprietary binary driver [03:34] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:34] ikar: what did 'ls /var/log/packages | grep wine' tell you? [03:34] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [03:34] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [03:35] elliot98 (~elliot@bzq-109-66-1-1.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [03:35] elliot98 (~elliot@bzq-109-66-1-1.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Changing host [03:35] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) joined ##slackware. [03:35] KaMii, it told me the version wine installed [03:35] just one? [03:35] yes [03:35] Snakkah (~ubuntu@99.175.88.230) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:36] then you only have one version installed\ [03:36] ok [03:36] try to run your wine program in a shell and tell me what the error says [03:36] yes, i'll do that [03:37] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [03:38] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:38] i get this, when i type wine or sh wine: "bash-4.1$ sh wine [03:38] /usr/bin/wine: /usr/bin/wine: cannot execute binary file [03:38] bash-4.1$ wine [03:38] Channel flood from ikar -- kicking [03:38] bash: /usr/bin/wine: No such file or directory [03:38] ikar kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [03:38] ikar (~ikar@103.223.34.95.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [03:39] i was kicked out, i guess it's not allowed to paste much [03:39] ikar: dont flood the room like that, use pastebin [03:39] ok [03:39] but it looks like /usr/bin/wine is not in your path [03:40] ok, how do i set the path? [03:40] also just typing wine, im not sure what that will do, you need to run a program like wine foo.exe [03:40] or type winecfg [03:40] ikar: if you have more than 3 lines, then use a pastebin, like http://pastebin.ca [03:41] Ok [03:42] john_dee (~id@95-29-144-58.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:42] john_dee (~id@95-29-144-58.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Client Quit [03:43] Mowah (1000@c-218ee555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [03:44] heres a pastebin when i type winecfg: http://pastebin.ca/1920938 [03:45] where did you get the wine package from? [03:46] from source.forge, i think [03:46] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:46] ikar: type echo $PATH [03:46] is /usr/bin in there? [03:46] ikar (~ikar@103.223.34.95.customer.cdi.no) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:47] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.23.61) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:47] ikar (~ikar@103.223.34.95.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [03:48] yes, its there [03:48] then i'd say you did something wrong with your wine install, how did you install it? [03:49] it was a txz package [03:49] from where? [03:49] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.27.224) joined ##slackware. [03:49] i'll find out..just a minute [03:50] wineHQ [03:50] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [03:51] Hi folks, anyone know if there is a plan to patch the recent kernel vulnerability in older Slackware versions? [03:52] ikar: what version of slackare are you runing and did you install a package that is for the same version? [03:52] IIRC all versions from 12.0 upwards are vulnerable... [03:53] KaMii, i installed version 1.3.0.x86_64 for slackware 13.1 [03:54] your running 64 bit? [03:54] yes [03:54] did you install the 32 bit libraries? [03:54] you need multilib [03:54] wine is 32 bit [03:55] Action: FrankD yawns [03:55] ok..i compiled kernel 2.6.35.2..and before that i havent tried, KaMii [03:56] ea_suter, kernel vulnerability? [03:56] ikar: you need multilib i believe alienBOB has it on his website, but i dont have that link [03:56] and slack isnt ubuntu, if theres a kernel vulnerability.. you should upgrade/patch/change your kernel yourself :P [03:56] archcezar (1000@acsy191.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [03:57] Ok, i'll try find it on google then, thanks allot, KaMii [03:57] remember, your on 64 bit and if you want to run 32 bit you need multilib [03:58] Mowah (1000@c-218ee555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:58] Action: FrankD yawns [03:59] borrringgg job [03:59] Morn [03:59] archceza1 (1000@avw23.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:59] mainframes are stupid [04:00] mainframes do good where they're used properly [04:00] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:00] like.. as a kicking target? [04:00] no - like, as the IBM linux commercial where the room of servers is consolidated into a single rack [04:01] i am surrounded by p-series frames right now [04:01] however, they do also make good targets for your nerf rifle [04:01] and in the floor below me, lots of z-series frames [04:01] FrankD: that's not always true :) ea_suter , have you read archives of security mailing list ? maybe there's something [04:02] i have never handled so many pcie/pcix cards in my life [04:03] jhw (~jhw@p548D60C1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:04] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [04:04] they should have slackware for z/os imo [04:04] er [04:04] z-series frames [04:04] edthix (~ed@115.133.244.30) joined ##slackware. [04:05] didnt they used to have slack s/390? [04:05] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:05] still do [04:06] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:06] oh really [04:06] imo i should get that going tomorrow instead of testing cards [04:07] oh wow theres actually some old RS/6000 machines sitting a few feet away from me [04:07] Action: FrankD eyes them [04:08] FrankD, yes there is a bug that allows privilage escalation [04:09] see http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Root-privileges-through-Linux-kernel-bug-Update-1061563.html [04:09] jupenz (~iMac@222.127.13.226) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:09] ea_suter, i see [04:09] system z is nice hw [04:10] zbouby, I've checked the security section on Slackware.com, and there is nothing for the kernel [04:10] hmm 44p-270, 375/450MHz Power3-II [04:10] i nearly got into Z| arch for work [04:10] up to 4 zomgz! [04:10] i never want to see a z10 again [04:10] ikar (~ikar@103.223.34.95.customer.cdi.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:10] FrankD: if they want to get rid of them, I might know of a potential relocation spot :) (rs/6000) [04:10] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.57.108.204) joined ##slackware. [04:11] alisonken1home, haha im gonna ask.. i wouldnt mind having one to play with [04:11] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-142-9.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:11] jupenz (~iMac@222.127.13.226) joined ##slackware. [04:12] so we're doing zEnterprise stuff here.. 96x5.2GHz, mehhh :P [04:12] i think each MCM uses around 2000 watts [04:13] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-142-9.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:14] hmmm, wonder how much juice that 44P-270 uses [04:14] john_dee (~id@95-29-144-58.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:15] Mowah (1000@c-218ee555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. 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[05:35] I need to talk to alkos333 but I keep on missing him, his webkit.SlackBuild on sbo shouldn't use --with-font-backend=pango, if anyone could ping me when he joins or transmit the message... :-) (yeah, I don't like email :p) [05:36] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [05:36] adrien: send him a memo [05:37] Mowah (1000@c-218ee555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:37] did you get my memo about the tps reports? [05:37] adrien: could post in #slackbuilds [05:37] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.37) joined ##slackware. [05:38] damn, I saw "vaction" and put my nick in vacation, not sure I can remove that without disconnecting :P [05:38] The most pointless item name In The World: o-rings. [05:39] WTF other kind of ring were you expecting?! [05:40] triangle ;-) [05:40] we'll see if memoserv works well, had never used it before [05:40] Yeah man.. think ring, think triangle! 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[06:19] $ cat /proc/swaps [06:20] mmmmm (~quassel@81.184.56.58.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [06:23] or just "free" [06:24] Yay! It works then, I gave meself lotsa swap. [06:24] woo(!) [06:25] How are you this morning Zordrak? :) [06:25] Farfegnugeny. [06:26] Ooh.. [06:26] Do you make French Roast every morning? [06:26] yesn. [06:26] Coke (~coke@c-3ebee055.1212-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:26] *yes. [06:26] You should make some for everyone. [06:27] Make your own. [06:27] lol ;_; I don't drink coffee... [06:28] right.p [06:28] s/p// [06:29] Ah well. [06:31] If this 13 year old boy unifies Korea I'm going to cry. :( [06:31] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-126-183.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:32] http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/08/19/korea.peace.mission/index.html [06:32] Yeah.. on that note I'm off to make space for pseudo-datacentreification of my primary server room [06:33] Okay, bye. 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[06:48] phrag, me too. [06:49] I stumbled upon a problem which was first reported last month by someone who's also running slackware 13.1... we also have in common that we're building on one machine and running on another [06:49] adrien, can you post the error? [06:49] (it's worse for him that for me: it only takes me 5 times longer to build on the slow machine, it probably takes him 15 times longer, or 3 or 4 hours :P ° [06:49] rhisa: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42756 ;-) [06:50] with a nice gdb trace :P [06:50] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.57.108.204) joined ##slackware. [06:50] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.57.108.204) left irc: Client Quit [06:55] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-1-249.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [06:58] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.57.108.204) joined ##slackware. [07:02] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:09] and it might be a gcc bug (need more time to confirm) [07:12] so this 5 year old local privilage escalation exploit in the kernel.. i imagine slackware is vulnerable, latest kernel fix ? [07:12] alicephilippa (~alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:13] it was fixed in April actually, I don't know if slackware's kernel has the fix [07:13] did anyone ask/contact Pat? [07:13] (the commit message for that fix didn't give any detail) [07:13] 13.1 doesnt iirc [07:13] i dont think any version does [07:14] I think .34 does [07:14] better check [07:16] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:20] http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=320b2b8de12698082609ebbc1a17165727f4c893 <- from april [07:21] so 13.1 probably didn't include the patch, the kernel version after yes however [07:24] april = Fri, 13 Aug 2010 00:54:33 +0000 (17:54 -0700) ? [07:24] edthix (ed@115.133.244.30) left ##slackware. [07:25] wharncliffe (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [07:29] dlind (~david@217-211-26-25-no23.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [07:30] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [07:32] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [07:32] hey guys, anyone installed http://www.google.com/chat/video/ ? [07:32] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:33] google only has a .deb [07:33] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:37] what's the best way to install a .deb ? [07:38] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.57.108.204) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [07:38] convert to rpm then rpm2tgz [07:38] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [07:39] with alien? [07:40] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:40] not even a package for alien =/ [07:45] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [07:47] sorted, thanks alisonken1lap =) [07:47] phrag, ar can extract them [07:50] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [07:50] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-436038.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[08:37] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:37] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [08:38] ashe (~ashe@125.163.45.241) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:39] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [08:40] ashe (~ashe@125.163.32.194) joined ##slackware. [08:41] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [08:43] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) left irc: Quit: And I can't put the needle in... [08:44] phrag: something like "ar x foo.deb" ? [08:44] and then an additional gzip step [08:45] phrag: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/d38jc/voice_and_video_chat_on_linux_now_works_in_gmail/c0x8kho and other comments too, you'll also appreciate how it says to extract to / without paying attention to the content =) [08:45] nachox_ (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [08:45] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:47] akmalhamdani (~Pandamoni@182.0.212.233) left irc: Quit: eat time [08:49] adrien: oh, thankyou =) [08:51] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.123) joined ##slackware. [08:54] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:57] dammit, can't get it to work [08:57] rodrigo_golive (~rodrigo_g@nat/mandriva/x-sriendmfzrfdcbiu) joined ##slackware. [08:58] phrag: do some sudo man :P [08:58] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) left irc: Quit: Redb3ard [08:59] phrag: which step is not working? (extraction with ar?) [09:00] no, i placed the files int he correct place, both ff and chrome load them in about:plugins, but on the gmail page, it still redirects me to download the package when i try click voice or video [09:00] can you execute /opt/google/talkplugin/GoogleTalkPlugin ? [09:00] ./opt/google/talkplugin/GoogleTalkPlugin: /lib/libssl.so.0.9.8: no version information available (required by ./opt/google/talkplugin/GoogleTalkPlugin) [09:00] ./opt/google/talkplugin/GoogleTalkPlugin: /lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8: no version information available (required by ./opt/google/talkplugin/GoogleTalkPlugin) [09:02] m3tti (~user@p57B7AB45.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:03] did they bundle these binaries? [09:04] yeh [09:04] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [09:04] extract them + LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? [09:05] http://pastebin.com/02esAvGf [09:05] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:06] hey all [09:06] hi nyRednek [09:07] dunno [09:07] mm, extracting to / probably isn't the best choice :p [09:07] ea_suter: hey [09:07] adrien: how you doing? [09:07] could only think about bitness [09:07] tis your system, though :> [09:07] nyRednek: fine, thanks, and you? [09:07] thrice`: why? [09:07] adrien: i've been worse [09:07] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Quit: KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ [09:07] phrag, outside of the obvious? :) are you on 64-bit? [09:07] thrice`: nah, it's great, it even includes a daily cronjob! xP [09:07] thrice`: nope [09:08] adrien, ah, too true :p [09:08] adrien: lol, yeah i just removed that cron file =P [09:08] i have the bloody pluygins loaded, just google doesnt seem to think so [09:08] ;-) [09:08] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7AB45.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:08] ah, gotta go, hope everything goes well [09:09] cya adrien =) [09:09] phrag: their routine to check the pluging is there might be a bit too 'fascist' [09:09] laters :-) [09:10] phrag: try it with a new profile in ff, who knows.. [09:10] slackware has its ssl libs in /lib too, odd that it bitches [09:11] hmm [09:12] hmm... glew is needed to run that gmail plugin [09:12] mako-sama: glew? [09:12] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7AB45.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:13] nyRednek: glew.sf.net [09:13] http://pastebin.com/vwFgDLea [09:13] cought that error in console [09:13] mako-sama: i'm not completely up yet, decided to wipe system [09:13] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:13] will take a look later, but if anyone has any idea's [09:14] mako-sama: glew is part of Slackware [09:14] sahko: in which package series? [09:14] x/ [09:14] sahko: ok... [09:15] sahko: I don't install it by default [09:15] i think its needed by mesa too for some stuff [09:15] phrag: firewall? also, you might want to strace firefox (don't strace from the beginning: start firefox, attach strace to it and then, trigger the warnings/errors that appear in console (provided they appear when you load the page and not when you start firefox)) [09:16] adrien: yeh, they appear when i load gmail [09:17] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [09:17] well, then start firefox, attach strace, load gmail (check the man page on how to attach, I can't remember) [09:17] and run strace with -tt, I'll take a look if I have time [09:19] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7AB45.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:22] adrien: could be corp firewall, but think it's more the lib errors thats problem, could be wrong [09:22] i have no one online to test this on ~_~ [09:23] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@lbb-dslst.69616810.amaonline.com) joined ##slackware. [09:23] who got it working? [09:23] add me, phrags at gmail dot com [09:24] it didn't recognize my webcam [09:24] heh [09:26] v4nelle (~van@78-185-25.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:26] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [09:26] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7AB45.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [09:26] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-8-101.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:28] WillWork4Foo (~ben@cpc1-cbly5-2-0-cust42.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [09:28] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-22-47.w90-58.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:29] hi all... [09:29] ananke, you about? [09:29] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/CLTtWd86.html [09:30] yo phrag [09:30] still get that, strace doesnt seem to be giving much more info [09:30] how's things. [09:30] WillWork4Foo: hey, long time =) good thanks, you? [09:30] not too bad. I work for Oracle now. [09:30] as a Solaris geek, no less. [09:30] okay.. voice works fine [09:31] now to find a webcam that works [09:31] s/ol/low/ [09:31] s/ol/lowl/ [09:31] screw it [09:32] s/Solaris/Bag of Shite/ [09:32] lol [09:32] it's a decent server OS as far as I am concerned. beats the crap out of windoze for resilience and security [09:33] Action: Zordrak reminds all that that statement is qualified by years of being shat on by Solaris 7-10, before toddling off back to his server room conversion project [09:33] lol [09:33] didn't they just kill solaris recently? :p [09:33] I like Solaris 10 a lot actually - it's a good OS with some clever toys [09:33] lol [09:33] actually, they killed OpenSolaris [09:33] WillWork4Foo: An epileptic hamster could beat the shit out of Windows as a serever platform... doesnt say much for solaris [09:33] Solaris itself is having a large amount of investment ploughed into it by my new employer [09:34] why, if it just died? [09:34] They have two choices.. make it worse or start from scratch. [09:34] buy low, sell high [09:34] My £5,000,000 wager is on the former [09:34] it didn't just die. [09:34] OpenSolaris died. [09:34] ttfn [09:35] ahhh right...but wasn't Sun plan to use OpenSolaris a a testbed for the priprietary solaris? [09:35] I understand that it's being optimized for the Oracle Database (surprise surprise) as well as a few other middleware tweaks designed to make things run much faster. [09:35] and use community developed code? [09:35] ea_suter, yes, and before OpenSolaris there was Solaris Express. [09:35] We're back to Solaris Express for testing. [09:36] i see... :( [09:36] it's no longer called OpenSolaris, and further changes / improvements to the Solaris kernel are no longer open source. [09:36] WillWork4Foo: any indication of the direction oracle is going with mysql [09:36] someone needs to puncture Oracles over-inflated ego [09:37] nyRednek, as far as I am aware, MySQL is being developed as a smaller-scale lightweight DB alternative to the juggernaut that is Oracle DB. Don't quote me on that though, I'm not close to that work [09:37] hope google gives them a good flogging [09:37] I am however close to the Solaris roadmapping, and internal deployment of Solaris. [09:37] Google vs. Oracle - I had to shake my head when I saw that [09:38] I can see both sides of the argument - but really, I think the technical letter of the law is on Oracle's side. [09:38] yeah I just sat there re-reading the article title for a minute to make sure I wasn't mad [09:38] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-1.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:38] ea_suter, look for more evidence that you're not mad :) [09:38] I hope oracle loses this one [09:38] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7AB45.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:38] I don't - but then I'm biased. [09:38] they pay me. [09:38] yeah [09:39] I thought so too, but surely google wouln'y put on their boxing gloves is they didn't have some effective efense in place [09:39] ea_suter, hmmm.. Google is becoming all Microsofty these days. It doesn't seem to matter whether you're right or wrong, the biggest most expensive legal team seems to win [09:39] *defense [09:40] However, I can't begrudge Google too much. I use all their free services. [09:40] mako-sama: what you running? how did you install? [09:40] ah well, looks like groklaw will be back in my daily reading again [09:40] random question - is there a decent Netbook incantation of Slackware? Just out of curiousity, since I have a rather spangly netbook here and there are many bugs in Ubuntu that are annoying the poop out of me [09:41] google's hq in korea got raided for evidence relating to the wifi/mac snooping shenanegans [09:41] Well, some of the Slackware derivatives might do the trick [09:41] phrag: I installed it manually. I moved the plugin folder to /opt then I made two symlinks to the two plugins in my .mozilla/plugins directory [09:41] Vector Linux or Zenwalk [09:41] mako-sama: that's all ? [09:41] yup [09:42] mako-sama: where is /opt/google/talkplugin/GoogleTalkPlugin ? [09:42] VectorLinux Light is pretty trimmed down and light-weight [09:42] phrag: yup. right there [09:42] I haz to go do some work-type stuff. Annoying, since today is technically a day off for me! [09:42] hmm, wonder what i've done wrong [09:42] nice to catch-up - I hope to be able to get back here again sometime soonly [09:42] cheerz all :) [09:43] cya WillWork4Foo =) [09:43] l8rs ph [09:43] l8rs phrag [09:43] WillWork4Foo (~ben@cpc1-cbly5-2-0-cust42.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [09:43] phrag: I wanted to put everything in my .mozilla/plugins but ldd said that it won't work :| [09:43] ea_suter: Slackware works just fine on netbooks too. plus no derivative has a dedicated netbook interface [09:45] Right..well I've never tried myself [09:45] ea_suter: i can verify, i have two netbooks here on slackware 13.1 [09:46] ea_suter: both of them are eeepc 900hd's [09:46] i'm running 64bit [09:46] and havent used Slackware and very low-end machines since 10.0 so I don't know how 13 would behave on a netbook [09:46] mako-sama: how did you ldd ? [09:46] 13.1 works quite ok on mine even with kde [09:46] thanks for letting me know then :) [09:46] gash (~gash@166.205.15.22) joined ##slackware. [09:47] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7AB45.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [09:48] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:48] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [09:49] phrag: I checked the three binaries in the package (ldd GoogleTalkPlugin libnpgoogletalk64.so libnpgtpo3dautoplugin.so). everything checked out okay after placing it in /opt [09:50] nachox_ (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [09:50] nothing special [09:50] hmm... my cousin says it's not working for him either [09:51] "upgraded" to 4.5 [09:51] bah [09:51] NaCl: that bad? [09:51] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-8-101.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:52] it works fine [09:52] I just pressed the wrong button while in a term [09:52] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:53] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:53] which "froze" screen [09:53] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-81-196.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:53] NaCl: that isn't any fun [09:53] duet (~duet@71.21.89.86) joined ##slackware. [09:54] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:55] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [09:55] it's working right now [09:58] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:01] ViniciusPXMB (~puroosso@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) joined ##slackware. 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[10:15] I need some help to get suspend working on my laptop , Its a Lenovo 3000 N100 [10:15] When I press suspend in kde, it only locks the screen [10:15] lol, not enough time to fix it [10:15] Closing the laptop lid has no effect, not even lock [10:15] check the powermanager [10:16] powerdevil or whatever it is [10:16] usually defined in there [10:16] akmalhamdani (~giantpand@182.0.212.233) joined ##slackware. [10:16] phrag: now that I look at it, I see the same error too [10:16] Nick change: akmalhamdani -> giantPANDA [10:16] but voice works [10:16] really? the same lib error? [10:16] hmm, when i click on it in gchat, it just takes me to the download page still [10:17] phrag, I already checked that. The setting when lid is closed is set to suspend [10:17] check your using the correct acpi module for your machine [10:17] phrag: yeah. 'no version information available' for libcrypto and libssl [10:17] phrag, I think so, because it works in gnome [10:18] Nick change: giantPANDA -> akmalhamdani [10:19] hmm, in that case, it's probably our corporate firewall [10:19] hehe, smoke break =P [10:20] ashe (~ashe@125.163.33.101) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:20] vignesh (~vignesh@122.164.229.38) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:20] linXea (~Slackytux@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [10:20] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:21] ashe (~ashe@125.163.5.9) joined ##slackware. [10:24] vignesh (~vignesh@122.164.229.38) joined ##slackware. [10:26] Hey [10:26] Anyone able to install gtk-qt-engine on slackware 13.1 ? [10:26] Roin (~florian@p5B2BB9DA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:27] sahko, since you're around, do you have any idea if the latest big kernel vulnerability if going to be patched in Slackware. [10:27] gash (~gash@166.205.15.22) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:27] IIRC versions 12.0 and up are vulnerable [10:28] yeh, it was only just patched [10:28] I have now installed gtk-qt-engine.tgz from slackware repo [10:28] so up to very latest is vulnerable irrc [10:28] iirc* [10:28] But it does not show up on the kde systemsettings [10:28] I know slackware doesnt modify its kernels, but in this case an exception might be in order. don't know, just saying... [10:28] vignesh: restart KDE maybe? [10:28] How do I find out the dependcies ? Running systemsettings from konsole does not show any errors [10:28] Roin, Tried that [10:28] it's vanilla source [10:29] latest stable is 2010-08-13 2.6.35.2 [10:29] Roin, I will try once more [10:29] vignesh (~vignesh@122.164.229.38) left irc: Client Quit [10:29] phrag, yes 2.6.32, 2.6.34 and 2.6.35 are the only patched kernels [10:30] vignesh: It should be in the System Settings under System Settings-> Appearence then [10:30] vignesh (~vignesh@122.164.229.38) joined ##slackware. [10:30] Roin, Nope, it doesnt work [10:30] I think some dependency is missing [10:30] hm... dunno installed it myself and it worked fine ._. [10:31] anyone know if guruplug has fixed their overheating issue? [10:31] Hmm [10:31] chomping (~chomping@unaffiliated/chomping) joined ##slackware. [10:32] phrag: I was thinking that gmail might trigger the plugin which would try to connect to google's servers (removes the need for port-forwarding with NAT) and if a firewall blocked that, the page might think the plugin is not installed [10:32] wireshark? [10:32] bjx (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:33] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [10:33] bjx (~brendan@60-240-108-175.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [10:36] what is the minumum of kde that i need to install for kdegames? i don't need the wm [10:37] probably kdelibs [10:37] and, see, if a games doesn't start, "slackpkg search name_of_the_missing_lib" ;-) [10:38] ld will tell you what libraries are needed and if they are missing [10:39] Action: nyRednek has gotten lazy as of late [10:39] if you're gonna be lazy then why not just install everything [10:40] then you don't even have to worry about if you got everything or not [10:40] Skywise: don't have the room for everything [10:40] ckt1g3r (~ckt1g3r@unaffiliated/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [10:41] ckt1g3r (~ckt1g3r@unaffiliated/ckt1g3r) left irc: Client Quit [10:42] ashe (~ashe@125.163.5.9) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:43] gash (~gash@166.205.15.22) joined ##slackware. [10:44] I'd guess you need kdebase-runtime too [10:45] ashe (~ashe@125.166.187.140) joined ##slackware. [10:45] aren't there required packages? [10:45] on slackware? [10:45] for kde [10:46] maybe there some tagfiles out there [10:46] akmalhamdani (giantpand@182.0.212.233) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:46] ea_suter: ask Pat. how should i know? if theres indeed a vulnerability i guess it will be patched [10:47] adrien, Hey, I installed the gtk-qt-engine but it doesnt appear on systemsettings. How do I find the missing packages ? [10:47] you said something with slackpkg [10:47] ah, I don't think that applies here [10:47] :( [10:47] nixchix0R (~mrspwn@97-127-222-25.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [10:48] adrien, does slackpkg have dep check ? [10:48] no [10:48] no [10:49] I dont know what I am missing to enable gtk-qt [10:49] and my gtk apps look Eew [10:49] nyRednek, Take a look at the CORE and BASIC lists in Salix svn: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sal...on/trunk/lists [10:50] ashe (~ashe@125.166.187.140) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:50] http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/salix/browser/iso-creation/trunk/lists [10:51] Skywise: for...? [10:51] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [10:51] minimal kde [10:51] ashe (~ashe@125.166.164.128) joined ##slackware. [10:51] Skywise: oh... [10:51] vignesh: I'm not sure what your problem is exactly, but did you install all 3 packages: gtk-qt-engine, QtCurve-Gtk2, and QtCurve-KDE4 ? all 3 have a SlackBuild at slackbuilds.org [10:51] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/what-can-i-remove-from-a-default-non-kde-slackware-install-to-fit-a-2gb-partition-781285/ [10:51] i just distilled it down [10:52] foobarz, no I have installed gtk-qt-engine [10:52] I found the tgz package in misc/ [10:53] vignesh: after you get all 3 installed, you should be able to set your gui widget style, window decoration, and colors to "QtCurve" (in different areas in the system settings [10:53] sahko: oh, sorry, thought you were one of the Slackware developers... [10:54] foobarz, will try that. thanks [10:54] SmartOne (~SmartOne@112.135.30.161) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:55] vignesh (~vignesh@122.164.229.38) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:55] gash (~gash@166.205.15.22) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:55] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:55] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [10:55] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [10:55] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@200.63.199.98) joined ##slackware. [10:57] huhuhuhu (ad4d721e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.77.114.30) left irc: Quit: Page closed [10:58] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [11:00] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:02] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [11:02] jhw (~jhw@p548D60C1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:02] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [11:04] ea_suter: not yet :p [11:05] ea_suter: are you the guy who suggested slack to be more minimal and to give sbo a more pivotal role? [11:07] SmartOne (~SmartOne@112.135.113.119) joined ##slackware. [11:09] so does anyone know for sure which kernel version the local priv exploit is fixed in? [11:09] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:09] mattallmill (~mattallmi@69.71.126.153) joined ##slackware. [11:10] 32 was long term I think, 34 had it automatically (part of regular commit process, not a backmerge), that leaves .33 :P [11:11] https://www.dreamspark.com/default.aspx <- free ms software for students. not bad. [11:11] nyRedneck: no, definitely not me [11:11] I like Slackware as it is [11:11] :P [11:12] http://www.microsoft.com/student/en/us/software/ie-8.aspx <- "u are what u browse", if I browse porn, does that make me ... ? :P [11:13] lol [11:13] gash (~gash@166.205.15.22) joined ##slackware. [11:13] Action: phrag restrains his comments [11:16] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.57.108.204) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:20] there was one guy in here making comments about which direction he'd like slackware to go [11:21] there are such guys every week ;-) [11:21] Nick change: rhisa -> rissy [11:21] rissy (~risah@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: rissy [11:21] adrien: true, but this guy had a workable idea for a fork, and was going to suggest he do such [11:21] rissy (~risah@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [11:22] if that was cpunches or one of his aliases, he wants slackware to be more like *buntu [11:22] more "Modern and user friendly" [11:22] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) joined ##slackware. [11:22] alisonken1home: no, it doesn't seem like cpunches' suggestions [11:23] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [11:24] alisonken1home: he more or less suggested a core slack and for all desktop options(kde, xfce, gnome, etc) to be on a slackbuild archive, like SBo [11:24] I don't think you can remove many things from slackware and "outsource" them instead: you might trim some things in d/, some in xap/ and only about 5 from others [11:24] you don't want to build kde, it takes really too long =/ [11:24] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:24] adrien: agreed, but i can see putting it outside the official slack [11:25] adrien: and possibly distribute it separately, like gsb is being distributed atm [11:25] slack needs a good DE, kde servers that purpose [11:25] phrag: imho, xfce serves that purpose too [11:26] and there's already a couple of lightweights in there as well [11:26] true, horses for courses [11:26] phrag: but i can't help but think he had a bit of a point [11:26] like i wouldnt want to run XFCE on a quadcore i7 with a beefy gpu.. would be underkill [11:26] these points have all already been run past pat. slackware is what it is. [11:26] phrag: not necessarily for slack, but for a fork [11:27] jlarrew (~WallRat00@173.174.51.153) joined ##slackware. [11:27] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:27] well, as gsb notes, slackware is not that hard to fork [11:27] the selection is decent, and i'm glad it no longer serves gnome [11:27] Action: ananke sees very little market for xfce, with exception of its current users [11:27] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [11:28] phrag: why not? that would leave you room to do something equally intensive instead of just handling your DE [11:28] the GSB project shows it is possible to fork a project and out source it... you lose slackware's solidarity though [11:28] gsb is not a slackware fork, fwiw. [11:28] project, whatever [11:29] yep just a set of packages. [11:30] it worked out ok though didnt it ? [11:31] phrag: if you have a quadcore, I'll take an access to it to compile ;-) [11:34] phrag: yeah, i could use distcc access [11:36] adrien: it loves building kde =) [11:36] nyRednek: I normally ignore people who just talk about forks and don't actually have anything in concrete to show for it [11:36] with 8 threads =) [11:36] either they have a working alternative to put forward or else it's just cheap armchair conversation [11:36] i imagine lots of folks here would benefit from something like suse's build service. unfortunately, i don't know if it would be possible to shimmy slackware into that infrastructure, due to lack of dep metadata [11:37] phrag: :P [11:37] phrag: I compiled webkit-gtk about 12 times today, on my quad it takes 10 minutes, on my laptop it takes 40 to 50 minutes, imagine if I only had my laptop... :P [11:37] (I still wouldn't be done ;-) ) [11:38] I hope nobody is suggesting that KDE be removed. :| [11:39] ea_suter: true...i've mentioned them, but haven't seriously said i'm doing it [11:39] adrien: i could use webkit again [11:39] adrien: time to invest in ccache [11:41] ea_suter: for me, it's cheap armchair discussion...i use slack, and have gotten to the point that i can't effectively use much else [11:41] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@200.63.199.98) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:42] adrien: hehe [11:42] yeah, Slackware is like that :) [11:42] nyRednek: i'm fairly reliant on slackware [11:43] normalyy the whiners are people still new to slackware and want it to change, rather than them making the effort to learn how slackware works [11:43] phrag: for me, s/fairly/totally/ [11:43] 12 years using it, 10 years soley [11:43] ananke: wouldn't have helped: I compiled with different options each time (-O0, O2, -g3 -ggdb (maybe), ...) [11:44] adrien: any noticable improvements? [11:44] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:44] phrag: i'm in the same boat as you...been using it for more than 10 years [11:45] adrien: then yeah [11:45] phrag: depends on what you call improvement: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42756 ;-) [11:45] it crashes ;-) [11:46] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [11:47] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [11:48] what is the best way to disable 3-button emulation? It's gone screwy. Things are just randomly being pasted with single left clicks [11:49] hiptobecubic: xorg.conf maybe? [11:49] force two button only. [11:49] agentc0re: not if hal is handling his mouse [11:49] i have no xorg.conf entries for mice right now [11:50] I thought xorg.conf will take precedence over hal. [11:50] agentc0re: not for keyboard and mouse [11:51] agentc0re: he's gonna have to do it with hal [11:51] hiptobecubic: well, i think you're screwed. :P [11:52] Action: phrag will be annoyed if it's the corporate firewall that's preventing him from testing google talk video / voice [11:52] hiptobecubic: could always take it apart, give it a good cleaning. Maybe try the dishwasher. ;) [11:52] phrag: probably is. it leaves out on certain ports. [11:53] _RadioHead (~slack@82.114.94.254) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:53] i've spent a large proportion of my afternoon trying to figure out why it wont work =P [11:53] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-204-104.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:54] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@200.63.199.98) joined ##slackware. [11:54] phrag, it's google. they dont want you to test talk. [11:58] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:58] Roin_ (~florian@p5B2BFF9D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:00] fosforo_ (~fosforo@189.45.2.99) joined ##slackware. [12:00] Roin (~florian@p5B2BB9DA.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [12:02] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [12:03] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-126-183.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:04] phrag: wireshark, try to see if it sends anything or tries to open a connection [12:05] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [12:05] adrien: yeh, i'm at work so have had to jump on other things, i will try debugging it tonight =) [12:06] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-204-104.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [12:06] thanks for the help btw =) [12:06] phrag: work? what's that? :P [12:06] np ;-) [12:08] CaNoc (~CaNoc@unaffiliated/canoc) joined ##slackware. [12:08] Hey, I have a slackware 13.0 box that I'm trying to set up a cron job from root... I do crontab -e, save it, and do another crontab -e and it's lost the changes. [12:08] How do I fix this? [12:08] I seem to remember there being a bug in the config that causes this, but damned if I even know what to google. [12:08] Redb3ard: your first didn't save [12:08] I know it didn't save. [12:08] what EDITOR you using? [12:08] $EDITOR [12:08] But :wq! should save it. [12:09] Vim. [12:09] ! doesnt save [12:09] q! !? [12:09] that won't save it =P [12:09] :x or :wn [12:09] That does so save it. [12:09] q! means quit without save [12:09] :q! does *not* save in vi [12:09] The w does. [12:09] ! usually stands for not [12:09] :wq [12:10] q! overrides w [12:10] Redb3ard: what do you get if you :wq [12:10] but the q! quits without saving [12:10] Just tested it, you're all wrong. [12:10] It does save a regular file, try it out. [12:10] But it does not do this with cron. [12:10] phrag: I thought try to write even when not allowed if you do :wq! [12:11] ok, well why did you not save before ? [12:11] I did. [12:11] I just told you that :wq! does save a file. [12:11] I just tested it. [12:11] You can do the same, it's a quick experiment. [12:11] actually, redbeard is right... :w should try to write if it can, and :wq! will try to write but quit without saving if it can't write [12:11] Redb3ard: alternatively you can create a shellscript with what you want to execute, save it, make it executable and put it under one of the /etc/cron.{hourly,daily,monthly} folders [12:11] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:11] Redb3ard: I think the added ! ignores all fails.. it tries to write forcefully [12:12] Redb3ard: though it may still fail [12:12] I need some weird rules... this has to go off every 20 minutes or so. [12:12] Redb3ard: try using a different $EDITOR [12:12] see if that makes a difference... i use cron in slackware with vim np [12:12] just do :wq [12:12] I dislike vim anyway... I just don't change it on crontab, to try to force myself to learn it. [12:12] gash (~gash@166.205.15.22) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [12:12] Redb3ard: what does :wq without ! give you ? [12:13] Redb3ard: is this a cron job for a specific user or does root need to execute it? if it's root, are you root? [12:13] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:13] I am root, it needs to be root. [12:13] could also do 'crontab -e -u $USER' [12:13] k. [12:13] Redb3ard: did you su root ? [12:13] CaNoc (CaNoc@unaffiliated/canoc) left ##slackware. [12:14] Redb3ard: if you did did you su - [12:14] This is weird. exporting EDITOR did not switch it to nano. [12:14] I'm logged on as root. [12:14] Redb3ard: or you wont get the environment iir [12:14] c [12:14] Redb3ard: :o [12:14] anyone here on 13.1 and using xchat? [12:14] bjx (~brendan@60-240-108-175.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [12:14] snL20: correct. [12:15] agentc0re: :) [12:15] :wq is no better. [12:16] Redb3ard: no messages ? [12:16] seems that some buttons in xchat can't handle captions like "C_onnect", i.e. underscore is showed as is and not under corresponding letter, can anyone confirm? [12:16] for example in window with server list [12:16] bjx (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) joined ##slackware. [12:16] vdv, yeah it's know a bout [12:16] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:16] known about* [12:16] is that gtk bug? [12:16] Redb3ard: EDITOR=nano crontab -e !? [12:17] No messages. [12:17] :wq exits, but changes are lost. [12:17] vdv, I think it's an xchat bug. [12:17] I'm logged in as root from the prompt. [12:17] dive: this happens with all buttons created with gtkutil_button [12:17] vdv, ok [12:17] And exporting EDITOR does not change anything, I even did the full path to nano. [12:17] Redb3ard, http://mike.opennix.com/2010/07/using-vim-to-edit-crontab-entries-on-slackware/ [12:17] Redb3ard: from init3? [12:17] beer friday!!! [12:18] phrag++ [12:18] kldstat (~rajpano@bas1-calgaryqa-1242361489.region2.highspeedunplugged.bell.ca) left irc: Quit: Quit [12:18] Action: phrag is going to get drunk in the office for the last 20 minutes! [12:18] No X on this, it's just console. [12:18] Redb3ard: did you 'su -' ? [12:18] Action: snL20 tells phrag's boss [12:18] or did you 'su [12:18] snL20: he's sat next to me >< [12:18] :-) [12:18] phrag: aaah lol =) [12:18] hehe =) [12:19] trhodes, that did the trick. [12:19] Thank you. [12:19] yw [12:19] Agiofws_ (~Agiofws@athedsl-436038.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:20] _Strykar (~wakka@122.169.76.21) joined ##slackware. [12:21] bjx (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:21] gash (~gash@166.205.15.22) joined ##slackware. [12:21] Redb3ard, you can put export EDITOR=/usr/bin/nano in you ~/.bashrc [12:21] and also VISUAL too [12:23] I may. Dunno if I should... I've been trying to ween myself off of nano since about 2001. [12:23] _Strykar (~wakka@122.169.76.21) left irc: Client Quit [12:23] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.54.70) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [12:24] dammit, forgot about VISUAL [12:24] i think crontab uses $VISUAL actually [12:24] Did it used to use EDITOR? [12:24] trhodes: you have to set that option on 13.1 too ? [12:25] I have a 13.1 system (ARM, not x86) that does not need that snL20. [12:25] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.76.21) joined ##slackware. [12:25] Redb3ard: ok... good to know :) [12:25] But, it has the default vimrc, and I think this 13.0 doesn't. [12:25] hmm, can;t rememeber... sudoedit uses one, and crontab uses one, can't recall which [12:25] Well, it wasn't just you... I could have sworn it uses EDITOR. [12:26] they are blank in slack by default [12:27] i think just exporting these vars should change it, if not, might be a bug [12:27] phrag: I tried EDITOR=nano crontab -e here and it changed editor [12:27] oh cool [12:27] yeah crontab uses EDITOR [12:27] VISUAL should also set your editor [12:27] dive: found a bug [12:27] visudo uses VISUAL I think but don't recall what else [12:28] dive: there's a function in gtk gtk_button_with_mnemonic [12:28] dive: that function supports Alt+Letter shortcuts [12:29] dive: but there are in xchat buttons which are created with gtk_button_new [12:29] dive: and those don't support underscores [12:29] vdv, you need to check upstream if it's been fixed already. Not really anything we can do. [12:30] dive: that's in last source tarball [12:30] dive: the bug [12:30] Then you need to bug xchat devs about it. [12:30] dive: i know, i just discuss parallel here :) [12:31] i'll fix it for me and rebuild [12:31] don't live without shortcuts :D [12:31] *can't [12:33] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-126-183.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [12:34] |Slacker| (~cris@200.163.192.97) joined ##slackware. [12:34] cya later guys o/ =) [12:35] ckt1g3r (~ckt1g3r@unaffiliated/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [12:35] cya phrag [12:35] Agiofws_ (~Agiofws@athedsl-436038.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:35] rissy (~risah@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: rissy [12:36] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-436038.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:37] guys, do you think it's a good idea to block all ip adresses from this list http://www.spamhaus.org/drop/drop.lasso [12:37] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:37] cen___ (~cen@pool-96-250-25-210.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:38] to block them from IPTABLES or add then in /etc/hosts_deny [12:38] something like that ^^ [12:38] paissad, they are spammers IPs? [12:38] ie email spam? [12:38] dive, yes, in email spam [12:39] I don't see why you would need to block them [12:39] we never know ... as soon as they are declared to be spammers ^^ [12:40] kleanchap (~scotty@p5B11A227.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. 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[12:44] adrien, i have an httpd module that handle blocking ip that do ddos attack automatically & then notify the admin by mail [12:45] fortunev (1000@ip70-174-66-150.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:45] AlanCox (~SlackWare@bl7-150-222.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: [12:46] if they're not causing any "damage", I wouldn't list them (since there is no need for that, and you can forget about the entries quite easily) [12:47] adrien, you would take the risk of not blocking the ip .. & if ever one day the attack succeed ? [12:47] paissad: the more IP"s you block the more cpu intensive the whole process becomes and takes longer to deliver the email. [12:48] paissad, you said that the httpd module handles blocking? [12:48] dive, mod_evasive [12:49] dive, yes, the httpd module handles blocking [12:49] dive, but i would like to block it for all ... ssh & connecting to the server ^^ [12:49] it's drastic, .. i know ^^ [12:49] well you could put the IPs in hosts_deny then [12:50] For backup, I can use Samba. What is the advantage of using FreeNAS? [12:50] does someone of you have denyhosts working nice in his system ? [12:50] 13.1 [12:57] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [12:58] Nick change: Roin_ -> Roin [13:01] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-7-121.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:01] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:02] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [13:03] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [13:06] adrien, you're still in lebanon ? 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[14:12] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFF9D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: bbl [14:13] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:15] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [14:17] zux1wrk (~zux@212.93.100.149) joined ##slackware. [14:21] Mowah (1000@c-0584e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:22] Mowah (1000@c-0584e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Client Quit [14:22] Mowah (1000@c-0584e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:23] agentc0re: smartctl -a shows it as well. and there's probably something in /sys for it too, but i cant find it [14:24] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:24] its probably also written on the physical drive itself [14:25] agentc0re, perhaps udevadm info --name=/dev/sda --query all ? [14:25] my fail2ban log keeps showing this error http://pastebin.com/9KBLk1Nj. Can someone help me decrypt what it means? [14:26] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [14:27] nooper: Bummer, that didn't work either. i_is_cat and no serial number there too. I just did a hdparam -i /dev/sd*|grep Serial and got all the working ones. now to find the one that i can't access. [14:27] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:27] coredumb (~coredumb@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [14:28] coredumb (~coredumb@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [14:28] weird, 'smartctl -a /dev/sda | grep Serial' shows a serial here. is it a really old HD? [14:30] ea_suter (~easuter@clv-203.temp.uevora.pt) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:30] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [14:32] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:35] metrofox (~metrofox@unaffiliated/metrofox) joined ##slackware. [14:35] delirus (~john@95.172.219.22) joined ##slackware. [14:35] Hello. Could anyone give me tips on using sfdisk? [14:36] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [14:37] adrien: icecream ftw! :) [14:38] delirus: sfdisk is somewhat of an artform - it's main purpose is to be able to dynamically partition a drive from a script [14:38] to be used on a disk you don't mind losing all information on btw [14:38] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:38] mario (~mario@orion.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [14:39] yeah. I'm sweating bullets [14:39] cen___ (~cen@pool-96-250-25-210.nycmny.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:39] because I don't really have a choice 8) [14:39] cen___ (~cen@pool-96-250-25-210.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:39] ok - why can't you use fdisk/cfdisk then? [14:41] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [14:42] I'm probably asking in the wrong place, so I hope you don't mind. [14:42] But I'm trying to repartition my phone, and sfdisk is all that's available. [14:42] oxiredo_ro (~dumped@89.123.131.142) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:42] I just figure the really hardcore folks would be in here. [14:43] nooper, your method brings up a serial # for me, which also shows up in the method i provided.. [14:43] hmm - and you don't have a problem with possibl bricking the phone? [14:43] must be a different or super old hard drive [14:43] ZMR (~Who_cares@201.206.18.30) left irc: Quit: @Out [14:43] I still have not managed to disable middle click on my touchpad [14:45] lovely - google-talkplugin first is a deb package, and it includes a link in etc/cron.daily that not only checks for plugin updates but also looks for apt-get as well [14:46] It can be reflashed. [14:46] worst-case I can take it into the manufacturer [14:47] ok - the man page for sfdisk is reasonably easy to read [14:47] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:47] you can create a file with the proper commands for partitioning, then all you have to do is cat the file to sfdisk with the proper /dev/entry [14:48] apparently hwinfo should show serial numbers too.. [14:48] Action: i_is_cat kicks the dead horse [14:48] hey! no kicking of dead equines - they are to be properly flogged, with leather [14:49] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:49] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:49] alisonken1home hehe, after three hours of this, I figured that out at the very moment before you typed it.... [14:50] :) [14:50] so I basically edit /dev/device and run the sfdisk command to write the table? [14:50] or am I way off? [14:50] couple of years ago I was helping create a wifi router and ended up using sfdisk to create the flashdisk [14:51] alisonken1home: did it go horribly wrong? [14:51] hehe [14:52] fortunev: nope - I created an initrd that sfdisk'ed, formatted, and installed the binary to a flash disk. nicely automated too since I only had one model to work with [14:53] delirus: nope - you create a text file with the partition information, then "cat | sfdisk /dev/device [14:53] " [14:53] basically [14:54] oxiredo_ro (~dumped@92.86.253.153) joined ##slackware. [14:57] alisonken1home: with no options passes to sfdisk? [14:57] *passed [14:57] radu (~radu@78.96.140.88) joined ##slackware. [14:58] radu (~radu@78.96.140.88) left irc: Client Quit [15:00] |Slacker| (~cris@189.101.75.64) joined ##slackware. [15:01] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [15:01] v4nelle (~van@78-185-25.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:02] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [15:03] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:05] delirus: as far as I read - yep. just "cat | sfdisk /dev/" [15:05] ty :D [15:05] man sfdisk and lok at the example - it uses EOF version of HERE doc, but I guess you can also do "sfdisk /dev/ << " [15:05] (ty, I hope) ;) [15:06] just make sure you use the _correct_ disk :) [15:06] yeah [15:06] then you can format the partitions [15:06] gotta make sure I don't touch my home partition or I have a brick in need of reflashing [15:06] if your /home partition is on the same disk - then sfdisk is not for you [15:06] ugh... the team behind the n900 made a really messed up partition scheme [15:06] sfdisk repartitions, so you lose your partitions [15:07] even if I input values for the home partition identical to the current ones? [15:07] I wouldn't count on it [15:07] I'm doing this with the drive mounted too, I think I'm in trouble 8) [15:08] yep [15:08] zux1wrk (~zux@212.93.100.149) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [15:08] if it's a removable flash, then your best bet is to find an sfdisk/memcard reader [15:09] built-in [15:09] it's what this guide says to do though [15:09] they just skipped on explaining that "test" was the file I'm supposed to edit. [15:09] err [15:09] "table" [15:09] which really got me mixed up [15:12] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.114) joined ##slackware. [15:13] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-126-183.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:14] I'm gonna go for it [15:14] wish me luck [15:15] gl [15:18] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) joined ##slackware. [15:18] Howdy [15:22] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-7-121.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:23] yo arfon [15:24] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-18-164-132.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:24] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.114) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:24] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-78-151.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [15:26] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-18-164-132.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:28] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-18-164-132.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [15:28] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-18-164-132.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:29] zux1wrk (~zux@212.93.100.166) joined ##slackware. [15:30] nixchix0R (~mrspwn@97-127-222-25.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] kleanchap (~scotty@p5B11A227.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:31] Snakkah (~phil@24.248.210.25) joined ##slackware. [15:32] Hi. What's the best http or ftp mirror for an installation using online sources? [15:33] whatever is fastest for you, obviously [15:33] in general, it's a useless question, with no answer [15:33] is it possible to make changes to slackbuilds in 13.1 release? [15:34] isn't ftp faster than http? [15:34] i.e. can 13.1 images/packages change after official release? [15:34] I used to think the opposite once but someone said it's different nowdays [15:34] arfon_ (~arfon@209.236.250.213) joined ##slackware. [15:35] I hate it when that happens [15:35] vdv, we sometimed get security updates - get on the the slackware security mailing list [15:36] have small patch to xchat [15:36] what for? [15:36] but not security related of course [15:36] vdv, well probably won't be included - you should send it upstream [15:37] apn (~apn@pool-71-190-25-46.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:37] s/should/reallyreallyreallyshould/ [15:37] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:38] adrien: Alt+Letter shortcuts don't work on some buttons in xchat [15:39] vdv, maybe #xchat would be a good place to ask/talk about it [15:39] Snakkah (~phil@24.248.210.25) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:39] and I think I know someone else who's annoying by this [15:39] vdv: which language? [15:40] that's not language related [15:40] adrien: or what do you mean? [15:40] because the key you have to press is language-dependant [15:40] vdv: there's a patches/ directory, but it's only used if there's a security update AFAIK [15:40] no, with translation is everything ok [15:41] i've added a patch and rebuild xchat [15:41] seems to work [15:41] &Close in English, and &Fermer in French, different letters ('&' before a letter indicates that it's the language that will be underlined) [15:41] apn (~apn@pool-71-190-25-46.nycmny.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:41] adrien, it also messes up some of the buttons: c_onnect for example. The source is using the wrong gtk function [15:41] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:41] yep [15:42] dive: right [15:42] haven't used xchat in a long time [15:42] this bug came up a few months ago so I checked it out [15:43] vdv, you should really ask in #xchat if it's fixed yet, or check out the latest stable source [15:43] dive: i've fixed already [15:43] if it still does it then submit it as a bug [15:43] dive: and submitted a bug report too [15:43] vdv, ok [15:44] just wanted to add my patch to patches dir in slackbuild [15:44] if possible [15:44] it probably won't find it's way into slackware release until it's fixed upstream [15:44] ah, ok [15:45] and they release it as the next stable version [15:45] okay [15:45] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.27.224) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:45] unlike some distros slackware doesn't patch anything except the most important security fixes and critical bugs [15:45] fortunev (1000@ip70-174-66-150.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:46] everything comes down as upstream release it [15:46] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.22.250) joined ##slackware. [15:46] undeflowered [15:46] vdv: it might find its way into slackware *before* it's fixed upstream if it's 99% sure it will be very soon (so it might happen a few days or weeks before) [15:47] before 13.2? [15:47] but you never know if there are other patches included in next release [15:48] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [15:48] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [15:49] vdv: best thing is: get it in xchat, tel Pat there's a worthwhile update (a pair of screenshots should be enough ;-) ) [15:49] vdv: already asked the xchat developpers about it? [15:49] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:49] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [15:50] adrien: i've spoken with some user in #xchat, but don't think he have understood [15:50] vdv: screenshot [15:50] adrien: there's a bugreport with screenshot and description [15:51] and he's not seeing it? [15:51] adrien: hope they look sometimes in their bug tracking system [15:51] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [15:52] vdv, have you checked out xchat 2.8.8? [15:52] even svn [15:52] and if it's not fixed there, did you pin down a developper and linked him to the bugreport? [15:52] same thing [15:52] ok [15:52] don't know maybe they've other dev branches [15:52] where is everything ok [15:53] dazman (~dazman@unaffiliated/dazman) joined ##slackware. [15:53] vdv, what is bug report number? [15:53] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:53] https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3049508&group_id=239&atid=100239 [15:53] 3049508 [15:55] dazman (dazman@unaffiliated/dazman) left ##slackware. [15:56] ah, the bug report is brand new [15:57] vdv: and you have a patch that can be cleanly applied to latest version? [15:57] typically, you have to spoon-feed developpers ;-) [15:57] generated patch only to rebuild xchat from slackbuild [15:58] so, for 2.8.6 [15:58] you'll only get it fixes in latest release [15:58] did you test it on 2.8.8? [15:58] yes [15:58] that piece of code don't change [15:58] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [15:59] should be good then [15:59] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-119-28.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:59] just wait now for someone to look at it [15:59] yes [15:59] I'll monitor it a bit [15:59] dive: ok, thanks :) [16:00] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [16:01] try to apply it, make sure it works [16:01] I know how it sounds but if you want to get it included as quickly as possible... [16:02] and I'm actually reporting a bug in webkit, it's maybe the most difficult upstream when you want something to get included :P [16:03] argh, mercurial sucks :( [16:04] pprkut: Why so? [16:04] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:05] nixchix0R (~mrspwn@97-127-222-25.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:05] well, I guess part is my little knowledge about it, but i can't seem to find a way to make a commit go away [16:05] further, I don't understand how that commit happened since all I did was "fetch".... [16:05] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:06] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:06] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: Quit: gh [16:07] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [16:08] |Slacker| (~cris@189.101.75.64) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:08] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [16:12] It's like talking against a wall.... [16:13] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [16:13] pprkut: cherry-pick? reverse? [16:13] what is a the name of package pkgbpm or something for packages? [16:14] adrien: neither is accepted as a valid hg command :( [16:14] =/ [16:14] slackbpm ? [16:15] whip? :p [16:15] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [16:16] I might just be better off nuking the checkout and starting all over again. But I wonder what that would do to my git mirror :/ [16:16] hmmm [16:16] what's the command to add a loop-device already? :P [16:16] actually I don't care I think :-) [16:17] what is the one of things for slackware packaging? [16:17] heheheh [16:17] slackbuilds.org and other is a command [16:17] slackbuilds [16:17] slackbpm ? [16:18] i can;'t remember [16:18] sbopkg? [16:19] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Quit: Quitte [16:19] pprkut: yes [16:19] pprkut: for what is that sbopk ? [16:19] sbopkg [16:19] http://www.sbopkg.org/ [16:20] I am there [16:20] then read. All we can provide is to repeat what' [16:20] s there [16:20] yes [16:20] pprkut: i understand what is it, but can i sbopkg install [package] with that? [16:21] pprkut: or first i need to download the package from web [16:21] I have no clue, I never used it [16:21] #sbopkg [16:22] lamah, man sbopkg is quite short and descriptive [16:22] sbopkg --help probably too [16:22] pprkut: are u a using slackbuilds [16:22] and I have my webkit-gtk bug almost sorted: it crashes if you don't have enough memory (it's not using everything, but with 2GB memory it crashes 7GB it works (added swap)) [16:22] lamah, sbopkg with download the source from slackbuilds,org [16:22] thrice`: i am not using slack from years:) [16:22] lamah: yes, I use SlackBuilds [16:22] well not the source [16:23] pprkut: does slackbuilds haves everything [16:23] but it will download it from wherever it is [16:23] pprkut: i mean with "everything", server stuff some user stuffs [16:23] +++ [16:23] well, that should be enough to start ignoring :p [16:24] Action: lamah no is a beauty [16:24] lamah: that's way too vague. Go have a look [16:24] lamah: sbopkg is not the package manager, it only looks at slackbuilds.org and is menu driven [16:24] zux1wrk (~zux@212.93.100.166) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:25] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:26] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:27] lamah (lamah@fedora/lamah) left ##slackware. [16:29] Weird0ne (~julianm@endeavor.jdrush.net) joined ##slackware. [16:29] zux1wrk (~zux@212.93.97.139) joined ##slackware. [16:29] delirus (~john@95.172.219.22) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:30] wonder if lamah is trolling or something - he asked the same question in #sbopkg and left after only 5 minutes [16:32] Woo. [16:33] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:35] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:36] zux1wrk (~zux@212.93.97.139) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:39] tommcd (~tom@c-71-225-138-51.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:43] alisonken1home: lamah maybe cpunches? [16:43] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-81-196.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:44] nyRednek: didn't catch his info in time so not sure [16:44] no, lamah is not Chris. [16:44] well, it says fedora/lamah [16:44] but if you scroll up - you'll see the trolling scent in there [16:44] alisonken1home: i kinda did [16:45] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-95-86.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:46] there should be an edict or something...all trolls piped to #slackhappy [16:47] nyRednek: well, seeing as that channel only has one idiot, and spies, then sure. [16:47] nyRednek: no, wait, he has *one* legitimate user. [16:48] thumbs: heh [16:48] he does? [16:48] alisonken1home: yes. [16:48] alisonken1home: yeah, there's one legit user in there [16:49] hmm [16:49] alisonken1home: and a spy with ops [16:49] alisonken1home: the others are just spying users - logging the channel. [16:50] an ops spy? even more intersting [16:50] alisonken1home: yeah [16:50] nyRednek: careful. [16:50] thumbs: careful of what? [16:50] nyRednek: think about it [16:51] alisonken1home: ah... [16:52] macavity (~macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:53] macavity: btw, libwebkit got renamed into libwebkitgtk ;-) [16:53] lulz [16:54] tekzilla (~jon@d068054.adsl.hansenet.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:54] y3llow (~y3llow@111-240-215-177.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:54] cuba33ci (~cuba33ci@111-240-215-177.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:55] chomping (~chomping@unaffiliated/chomping) left irc: Quit: chomping [16:56] tekzilla (~jon@d031168.adsl.hansenet.de) joined ##slackware. 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[18:06] my lord [18:06] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/system/ZoneMinder/ [18:07] not as bad of a build as you think. :P [18:10] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-436038.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:10] might be by slavadp ;-) [18:10] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [18:12] dustybin: after having used the ffmpeg slackbuild with all of the dependencies listed built as well, I'd say it's a walk in the park ;-) [18:12] ace [18:12] I think sbopkg has a "list" for ffmpeg, which you can select and have it build the deps [18:13] yeah it does, but I have noticed that some of the source tarballs linked might be a version behind [18:13] though lately it's been on par [18:13] that, and I'm a bit of a masochist anyway :-p [18:13] I've figured out a workflow for working with slackbuilds [18:15] http://cctvmonitors.org/wireless-cctv/zoneminder-demonstration [18:20] akmalhamdani (~giantpand@182.1.23.140) joined ##slackware. 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[19:32] hey I just downloaded slackware, can I use that as a live dvd? can I make just one partition with that? how heavy is it? ...hello :D [19:32] size I mean [19:32] umm, no the CDs are not live CDs [19:32] you can install slack on 1 partition yes [19:33] I mean once I install it [19:33] if you install it, it is not a live CD [19:33] so I can't try it before hand... [19:33] not really no [19:33] do you know how much is the average amount of gigas I need? [19:33] about 4 [19:33] GB [19:34] 4!!!! [19:34] incredible! [19:34] if you do a full install yes [19:34] thats less than Win7 [19:34] way less than win anything [19:34] i've used ubuntu, mint (very little puppy) [19:34] ClaudioM: agree [19:34] nilon_: you can make it as little as you want, but you need to know what each package is and why you may or maynot need it [19:34] I'm been at linux for a year, just trying other distros [19:34] mint sometimes stall [19:35] and considering how cheap terabyte HDDs are, 4 GB is negligible [19:35] I don't know if it's distros foult or mine [19:35] slackware is great for learning the ins and outs of Linux IMO [19:35] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@user-0cetgcn.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [19:35] it's what I cut my teeth on when learning lniux [19:35] what's imo? [19:35] linux [19:35] sorry, "in my opinion" [19:35] any recommendations for the installation? [19:36] indubitableness (indubitab@adsl-99-33-40-8.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [19:36] I usually install everything included. That might be best until you're familiar with it [19:36] hey i'll ask later, the live thing was the most important question i had [19:37] ClaudioM: thanx [19:37] nilon_: full install is best if you are new to slack [19:37] yeah there's no live slackware, but there are others that have been based on slackware that are live, like slax [19:37] that's not to say that its a live slackware [19:37] ;-) [19:37] good news ClaudioM [19:37] right [19:38] it's based on slackware, but it's not slackware proper that I know of [19:38] I could be wrong though....been a while since I've played with slax [19:38] gotta run [19:38] literally [19:38] ok, good luck [19:38] see ya later [19:39] bye [19:43] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) left irc: Quit: Redb3ard [19:45] nilon_ (~nilon@102-12-17-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [19:48] asdfjkl (~asdfasdfs@cm67.epsilon86.maxonline.com.sg) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:48] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. 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[21:35] Hello, I was wondering if I log in as my 2nd user name can I use "su - username password" then run say firefox and have it load up with the book marks of that user? [21:36] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:36] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [21:36] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [21:36] qwebirc64415: if you run firefox from that shell, it should [21:37] give it a try, can't break anything that way [21:37] Lufbery_jaa (~Drew@pool-72-70-148-206.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:37] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:37] greetings and salutations [21:37] ty was messing around and loged in as my 2nd user with in the shell and never thought about that befor [21:38] the - tells su to run all the login scripts and setup the environment as if it were that user logging in him/her self [21:38] which in theory would pass all those fun env vars to firefox :p [21:39] Lufbery_jaa (~Drew@pool-72-70-148-206.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:39] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [21:41] Snakkah (~Phil@adsl-69-152-196-196.dsl.fyvlar.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:42] qwebirc64415 (47bf3f0c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.191.63.12) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:43] Is the GnomeSlackBuild version of Slackware fully up to date with the original Slack, since Slack has dropped support for Gnome? [21:44] Snakkah: You should ask in #gsb [21:44] yoyoned1 (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:44] opinions on 192k synchronous dsl? [21:45] initself: slow and over priced [21:45] initself: fios is better [21:45] :) [21:45] popl: had nothing but headaches with FIOS so far [21:45] qwebirc15108 (47bf3f0c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.191.63.12) joined ##slackware. [21:45] couldn't stream a video to save my life [21:46] is that normal? [21:46] no [21:46] no [21:46] :p [21:46] i didnt think so [21:46] gniks: jinx [21:46] yet, that is my experience [21:46] 12345 JINX [21:46] you owe me a coke [21:46] hmm got disconnected [21:46] synchronous DSL is never worth is [21:46] well, not for home use anyway [21:46] aDSL is a PITA too [21:46] so if i don't go FIOS, don't go DSL, what about cable 1.5M/384 for $89? [21:47] it is, but its better than sdsl [21:47] seems like such a shitty up! [21:47] that's super expensive [21:47] that's what i thought [21:47] how may I go about making and installing programs into my system? [21:47] yeah, thats over priced, i get HD fiber TV and fiber internet for that price [21:47] but i need (want) a static ip [21:47] can i get fiber internet with a static ip from someone?> [21:47] initself: any isp should be able to provide you wiht a static ip on any technology [21:47] i have fiber internet with a static ip [21:48] gniks: where do you live? [21:48] i however had to bitch for a week to get it [21:48] NYC [21:48] gniks: It took me six months and three different Verizon technicians to figure out why my aDSL was losing sync so often. [21:48] i am on the other coast [21:48] popl: that sounds like verizon DSL peeps :p [21:48] gniks: so you have FIOS then...right? [21:48] i don't [21:48] gniks: it was an interesting problem though [21:48] i have a competitors fiber service [21:48] ooh, nice! maybe that's what i need to look for [21:48] Hotwire Communications [21:48] not sure if they are on the west coast [21:49] we have fios now [21:49] im contemplating switching [21:49] depends on how much money they will save me [21:49] i have a bit of power with them to bend them to my will :p [21:49] The Westell hardware sucks. [21:49] Snakkah (~Phil@adsl-69-152-196-196.dsl.fyvlar.swbell.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:49] i don't use their equipment [21:49] i use my own cisco gear [21:49] with fios? [21:49] mhmm [21:50] its fiber to the home then ethernet [21:50] on their website [21:50] they have a link: find your community [21:50] yea [21:50] i dont know what the f to do with that [21:50] do you live in a house or apartment complex? [21:50] house [21:50] hmm, i think they only provide service to apartment/condo communities [21:50] gniks: i think you are lucky to have a fiber competitor in your area [21:50] i dont think we have that [21:50] i am very lucky yes [21:51] it's Cox Communicatoins or nothing or something [21:51] gniks: the lady here uses the DVR that Verizon provides too. [21:51] but thats NYC for ya [21:51] popl: i use the provided DVR, but for the rest its all my own stuff [21:51] qwebirc15108 (47bf3f0c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.191.63.12) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:51] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:52] gniks: the DVR is noisy [21:52] on the network, I mean [21:52] rissy (~risah@ool-457ab193.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [21:52] rissy (~risah@ool-457ab193.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Changing host [21:52] rissy (~risah@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [21:52] oh, my service provides different connections for that [21:52] you can't run the two off the same line [21:53] but yeah, id imagine there is a lot of multicast/broadcasting going on [21:53] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6B9B7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] Well it's not the "same line" as in there is a coax line to the DVR and the LAN is ethernet [21:53] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [21:53] its cat5e to my DVR [21:53] and it runs standard TCP/IP [21:53] its literally TV over ethernet [21:54] Cable.s broadband infrastructure has a great future in store. Cox Communications . and most cable providers -- are currently using the DOCSIS 2.0 standard for high-speed Internet, which is technically capable of offering blazing download speeds up to over 30 Mbps per channel. [21:54] fucking assholes [21:55] lulz [21:55] the cheapest static ip plan is 1.5MB down for $80? [21:55] gniks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_over_Coax_Alliance [21:55] the internet never mixes with the TV traffic [21:55] but then residential gets 30 MB? [21:55] i don't have a cap on my line& [21:55] MoCA is a different technology [21:56] gniks: are you saying look up providers in my area of MoCA? [21:56] That's what the Verizon DVR is using. [21:56] no, popl sent me the link [21:56] gotchya [21:56] got it [21:56] yeah,the two companies obviously use different methods :p [21:56] goj (~goj@p4FE6BC33.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:56] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:56] I hate it. [21:57] Action: initself checks if FIOS is available in his area. [21:57] yeah i laughed that protocol out of my network before it even got implemented :p [21:57] your network? [21:57] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-46-165.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [21:57] can anyone recommend a decent ISP for Arizona besides Cox/Qwest [21:57] yes, im a network engineer [21:57] the answer is NO [21:57] what about ATT? [21:57] they have a fiber service [21:58] forget what they call it [21:58] gniks: at Hotwire? [21:58] no :P [21:58] seanaustin, look at dslreport.com for your zipcode [21:58] U-Verse? [21:58] yeah that [21:58] no [21:58] hehe [21:58] http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=5838 [21:58] i used to work at Liquid Web, i ran their 3 datacenters network and fiber ring& i now work for a publishing company [21:59] looks like att dsl only [21:59] Lansing? [21:59] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [21:59] hah [21:59] ATT has no footprint out here [21:59] popl: yes [21:59] I didn't know they had a connection to the Internet in Lansin. [21:59] *Lansing [21:59] oh uverse IS high speed internet [21:59] http://www.att.com/u-verse/explore/internet-landing.jsp [21:59] neonflux (~neonflux@173-11-86-161-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:59] popl: they purchase leased lines to chicago, south bend, cleveland [22:00] they just seem to be pushing it for "a better dvr experience" [22:00] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:00] 4 10Gbps MetroE connections 2OC48s, and 4 1Gbps MetroE [22:00] A Metro Ethernet is a computer network that covers a metropolitan area and that is based on the Ethernet standard. It is commonly used as a metropolitan access network to connect subscribers and businesses to a larger service network or the Internet. Businesses can also use Metro Ethernet to connect branch offices to their Intranet. [22:00] sounds neat [22:00] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:01] its just long haul connections as ethernet as the layer 2 protocol [22:01] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [22:01] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [22:01] vs POS or ATM [22:01] or others [22:01] gniks: hey, what is 2WIRE? [22:01] a shitty router manufacturer [22:01] gniks: I'll take one OC48 please. [22:01] ;P [22:01] popl: wish i had one too :p [22:02] that one was from Level3 and was expensive as hell [22:02] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:02] I do not doubt it. [22:02] maybe 2wire is the Yahoo DSL router or something. [22:02] Yahoo, which was bought by SBC, adn then by ATT uses 2wire as the router they will send you if you don't have your own yes [22:02] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [22:03] Skywise that link is dead - cybersquatter crap [22:03] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Client Quit [22:04] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [22:04] gniks: SBC Yahoo is a co-branded product. [22:04] gniks: SBC does not own Yahoo. [22:04] is 1000Kbps 1 Mbps? [22:04] :P [22:04] initself: yes [22:04] yoyoned1 (todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [22:04] popl: you know what i meant :p i was trying to save typing [22:05] the DSL division of Yahoo was bought by SBC, which is now owned by ATT ;) [22:05] so if residential broadband down is 30 MB and business is 1.5 MB, how would that affect streaming video? [22:05] initself: 1 Kbps is 1000 bps, so 1000 Kbps is 1000 1000 bps. [22:05] s/ps//g [22:05] bandwidth doesn't determine stream speed, or does it? [22:05] seanaustin, http://www.dslreports.com/ [22:05] popl: keep in mind this is network speeds not storage amounts, those are measured differently :) [22:06] Skywire: thank you [22:06] initself: depending on the quality of the video, you will need a faster or slower minimum connection to handle it [22:06] 1.5Mbps is good for streaming, but that is about all you will be able to do streaming 720p content like hulu [22:06] but you can lower the quality (if the option is presented) [22:08] gniks: he said k not Ki [22:08] if you're going to try to be a pedant at least cover your bases :P [22:08] Kbps is kilobits, whats your point? [22:09] i was referring to the conversion rate [22:09] 1000KB is not 1MB ;) [22:09] dt` (~dt@pool-72-93-199-68.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] didnt we have this same discussion last nite? [22:10] no [22:10] deja vous [22:10] gniks: IEEE disagrees with you. [22:10] :P [22:10] popl: computer scientists disagree with IEEE [22:11] lotec (~lotec@pool-108-9-73-223.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:11] most hard drive makers for the sake of simplicity will use the 1000 rate instead of 1024 (the real rate) of conversion [22:11] Reticenti: are you here? [22:11] gniks: well, the NIST agrees with IEEE. So there. [22:12] :p [22:12] yeah, marketers have got their claws into the standards committees and its annoying [22:13] nachox (~Ignacio@133-74-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [22:13] annoying or not, it's the way things are. so if you're going to be the pedant that I know you want to be, you should learn the difference between mebi and mega. :P [22:14] no thanks& new marketing terms for storage are not the way of the scientists [22:14] ok [22:16] gniks: is that a band you're in or something? [22:16] "The scientists" [22:16] mebi is a new standard to replace mega ratified in 2000 by a band of idiots [22:16] i and other computer science professors refuse to accept it [22:17] all of them? [22:17] theres a science professor in here? [22:18] gniks: I thought you worked for a publisher. [22:18] popl: that doesn't mean i didn't go to college, and that i myself don't teach [22:19] maybe he writes theses all day that get published? [22:19] SI vs IEC (International Standard of Unis) vs (InternationalElectrotechnical Commission) [22:19] gniks: I didn't say that. [22:19] lotec: i don't write [22:20] popl: i know you didn't, but that would mean that i know people with higher degrees of research than us, and im just repeating their (and my) view on the topic [22:20] gniks: Professor is a job title, one not usually given to people who don't work full-time as a professor. [22:20] |Slacker| (~cris@189.26.19.245.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:21] popl: these people have PhDs in computer science or other related fields [22:21] i don't consider professors to be anyone with anything less [22:21] PhD does not imply professorship. [22:21] no, but those who are teaching in their field&. should qualify [22:23] popl: your missing the point& its a personal view, just because the IEC says its right, doesn't make it right when talking about the lower level theories of storage [22:25] "lower level theories of storage"? [22:25] now you're just making stuff up :P [22:26] no not really [22:26] you can talk about storage on a abstracted level and on a lower bit by bit leevl [22:26] level* [22:28] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.76.21) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [22:29] paul424 (chatzilla@91.207.68.2) left ##slackware. [22:33] gniks: But just talking about something doesn't make it a theory. [22:35] no, you are talking about the theory of how something works, theory such as the IEC and RFCs, etc& are different from reality [22:35] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:36] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) joined ##slackware. [22:36] No, I'm talking about your "lower level theories of storage" [22:36] yes, the way storage works in theory, is not reality [22:38] I think maybe we're using different definitions of the word, and that's where the misunderstanding is. [22:38] likely [22:40] i just ordered at&t dsl, 6 MB down for $19.99. [22:40] you can add on a static address for $15.00! [22:40] that's as much as the service itself! [22:40] ick [22:40] yeah [22:40] rissy (~risah@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: rissy [22:40] att service isn't that horrible though [22:40] but DynDNS works, right? [22:40] they all suck [22:40] thrice`: true [22:40] thrice`: not true [22:40] initself: yes [22:41] Cool, cheap, fairly good DLS with DynDNS. [22:41] i dont know if i could go back to DSL [22:41] I have nothing to complain about. [22:41] but that is one hell of a price [22:41] lotec: exactly. [22:41] that's really the whole thing. [22:41] meanwhile, i pay my wife's $550/mo COBRA insurance. [22:41] thanks for your help, everyone! [22:42] i wish i had that offered down here [22:42] i'm gonna hop on the freeway! [22:42] & [22:42] initself: It might be cheaper to kill her. [22:42] popl: i'll think on that [22:42] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [22:42] i'll consider killing her after she produces that child in 3 weeks. [22:42] is this channel logged? [22:42] it is! [22:42] crap! [22:42] hah :P [22:43] ok find his address, lets call the cops [22:43] ick, the logs are named terribly [22:43] http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_botlogs/ [22:43] yyyy-mm-dd, dinguses! [22:43] bye [22:43] i want 20 dollar internet [22:50] Cadohacan (ad4d7598@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.77.117.152) joined ##slackware. [22:50] Cadohacan (ad4d7598@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.77.117.152) left ##slackware. [22:51] john_dee (~id@95-29-144-58.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [22:51] john_dee (~id@95-29-144-58.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [22:54] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:55] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:55] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:55] Sir_Konrad (~Sir_Konra@unaffiliated/sir-konrad/x-6204516) joined ##slackware. [22:56] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [22:59] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) joined ##slackware. [23:00] guys, where are logged ssh connections ? i have no /var/log/sshd in my system ^^ [23:00] sysconfig? messages? [23:01] erm sorry [23:01] syslog [23:01] /var/log/auth.log [23:01] for me ... [23:01] then u answered your own ? [23:02] slack default is /var/log/messages but its configurable in /etc/ssh/sshd_config [23:05] lotec (lotec@pool-108-9-73-223.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:06] /var/log/messages has them [23:06] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:07] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-166-185.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] popl (~popl@unaffiliated/popl) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:08] i would like to concentrate all ssh connections in one log file /var/log/sshd.log for example [23:08] even if they are already present in /var/log/messages ... [23:09] see above log file [23:09] s/log/config/ [23:09] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [23:09] gniks, i just read the manpage of sshd_config ... but i only see SyslogFacility option configuration [23:10] but not a path for the logfile [23:10] paissad: hang on a moment :) [23:10] i search at the same time ;) [23:10] panda (~giantpand@182.2.196.171) joined ##slackware. [23:11] akmalhamdani (~giantpand@182.1.23.140) left irc: Disconnected by services [23:11] Nick change: panda -> Guest10990 [23:11] Nick change: Guest10990 -> akmalhamdani [23:11] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:11] argh i thought sshd would log to a file [23:11] we will have to change syslog for this [23:12] i think [23:12] artv61 (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:13] in /etc/syslog.conf add AUTH -/var/log/sshd.log should do it [23:13] dt` (dt@pool-72-93-199-68.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:13] artv61 (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [23:13] gniks, but does only sshd server use AUTH ? [23:13] Sir_Konrad (~Sir_Konra@unaffiliated/sir-konrad/x-6204516) left irc: Quit: Sir_Konrad [23:14] sshd can only log to syslog [23:14] every system that logs in, uses the AUTH facility [23:14] unless it logs to a file directly [23:15] http://www.softpanorama.org/Logs/syslog.shtml this might give more insight in syslog configuration [23:15] gniks, so if i understand correctly, i will have other auth logs in /var/log/sshd.log too ? [23:16] you can choose to use a logging facility that is not auth, and configure ssh to use it, and configure syslog to log that facility to the file you want [23:16] the login command logs to the auth facility (as an example) [23:17] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:17] gniks, instead of calling it AUTH, i can call it SSHD so that it differs ? .. not a good idea ? [23:17] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [23:18] in sshd_config, i do SyslogFacility=SSHD ... & in syslog.conf, i do SSHD -/var/log/sshd.log [23:18] somthing like that ^^ [23:18] i could be wrong, but i don't think you can make up logging facilities, but that warrants further research [23:18] yes, if that is a valid facility yes [23:18] of course ... thanks anyway ;) [23:18] syslog-ng will allow you to do stuff like that for sure [23:19] syslog which is older, is a bit more limited [23:24] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:25] hello happy people [23:26] we are happy? [23:26] gniks, unsure [23:26] me too [23:26] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:27] gniks, personally, we went through a drive through jersey to get some stuff off our minds [23:27] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:27] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.157.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [23:27] lulz [23:27] that'd just piss me off more, jersey drivers are insane [23:27] gniks, once you get away from newark/princeton/trenton, it can get relaxing [23:27] $ grep local1 /etc/syslog.conf | head -n 1 [23:27] local1.* /var/log/sshd [23:28] rworkman, hey, how goes? [23:28] ewwwwww... Jersey. [23:28] $ grep local1 /etc/ssh/sshd_config [23:28] SyslogFacility local1 [23:28] There's your answer to the issue above. [23:28] cnn sucks [23:28] danc3, we went south of trenton [23:28] Sory to hit and run, but gotta go afk now. Back in a bit. Hi nyRednek :) [23:28] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.216.233) joined ##slackware. [23:28] rworkman, ok, take care [23:28] rworkman: that doesn't answer the other question [23:28] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [23:28] :p [23:29] gniks, we're talking between bordentown and cherry hill [23:29] ah ic :p [23:29] i still think they are all crazy [23:30] gniks, the further they get from newark, the less crazy they drive [23:30] hehe [23:30] gniks, then again, down around lawnside, they drive like they're from philly [23:30] newark is scary [23:30] oh phily is worse [23:30] gniks, i know [23:30] no one knows how to use a 4 way stop there [23:30] gniks, i stayed north of cherry hill [23:31] gniks, have you been in manhattan lately? [23:31] yeah [23:31] not via car [23:31] but yeah [23:31] :p [23:31] Channel flood from gniks -- kicking [23:31] why? [23:31] gniks kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [23:31] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [23:31] akmal (~giantpand@182.1.121.22) joined ##slackware. [23:31] i really hate that f-ing bot [23:31] gniks, does anyone there act as if they know how to use *any* traffic signs/signals [23:31] some times [23:32] however, at least you know people's intensions [23:32] gniks, yeah, at 3 in the morning [23:32] in NJ you have no clue where people are going [23:32] there are cars on the street at 3am? :p [23:32] gniks, yes, there are [23:32] lol times square, herald square, etc&nearly clear out [23:33] at least the last time i was there at that time [23:33] or is everyone still just at the bar getting drunk? :p [23:34] akmalhamdani (~giantpand@182.2.196.171) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:34] gniks, the latter [23:34] haha [23:34] yeah [23:36] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [23:40] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-167-15.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:41] Nick change: akmal -> akmalhamdani [23:41] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-167-15.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:43] gniks, just installed gsb and putting the settings the way i'd like [23:43] has anyone successfully compiled firefox 4b3? [23:43] Action: edman007 waves [23:44] edman007, hi [23:44] hi [23:45] gniks: what was the other question? [23:45] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [23:47] korg815 (~korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [23:47] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [23:47] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:49] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [23:49] seanaustin (~sean@173-128-114-104.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:49] rworkman, that worked nice ... (local1, syslog.conf & sshd_config.conf ...) [23:50] thanks [23:53] dip (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) joined ##slackware. [23:54] paissad: you also need to tell syslog to ignore the info and warn local1 stuff [23:55] (add local1.none to the excludes for /var/log/mesages nad /var/log/syslog) [23:56] rworkman: will syslog allow you to invent your own facility names [23:56] i know syslog-ng does [23:56] Nope [23:56] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-436038.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:56] thought so [00:00] --- Sat Aug 21 2010