[00:00] <godling> Old_Fogie: not a very steady tripod, eh? ;P
[00:00] Action: godling whistles
[00:00] <Old_Fogie> celeron's can't compile nuttin, but should do what ya wan't I'd think.
[00:00] <Old_Fogie> godling, :)
[00:00] <nullboy> seriously
[00:01] <nullboy> it's going to suck until i'm done compiling what i need to compile
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[00:01] <Old_Fogie> why not, bang it out in a vm?
[00:02] <nullboy> i'll build all the other stuff in a VM
[00:02] <Old_Fogie> yeah, a linux kernel on a 266 (as a test) took 28 hrs :)
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[00:07] <errordeveloper> hm ..
[00:08] <errordeveloper> i'm just thinking to write a shell script which would ask for some user input
[00:09] <errordeveloper> like how many hours at which rate i have worked ..
[00:09] <errordeveloper> and sum it all up and
[00:09] <errordeveloper> generate a pdf invice ..and ask if i wanna send it of to the office,
[00:09] <errordeveloper> but may be there a porgram which does it already?
[00:10] <dissociative> anyone knows a way to restrict soft off by pwrbtn
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[00:11] <Motoko-chan> Okay, I got the forums set up.
[00:11] <Motoko-chan> Who wants to register?
[00:12] <godling> nullboy's mom
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[00:12] <nullboy> my mom would pwn you
[00:12] <Motoko-chan> ...
[00:12] <godling> heh heh. nullboy's mom wants all up in your forums
[00:12] <Motoko-chan> Serious...
[00:12] <nullboy> you'd be all curled up in fetal position crying
[00:13] <redtricycle> Hrm...how do I change my display modes in Slackware?  I editted the Monitor modes to have 1280x1024, but I only see 800x600 as options
[00:13] <redtricycle> I"m using xfce
[00:13] <godling> nullboy: I don't cry.
[00:13] <nullboy> oh you would
[00:14] <godling> nullboy: My tear ducts were burned close back in '87 when I saved 11 chinese orphans from a fiery blaze that took the lives of everyone else in the building.
[00:14] <godling> s/close/closed/
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[00:14] <Motoko-chan> ...
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[00:15] <agentc0re> Motoko-chan: Forum for what?
[00:15] <|kevlinux|> redtricycle: xorgconfig, or edit the xorg.conf manually
[00:15] <Motoko-chan> Slackware support.
[00:15] <Motoko-chan> Kinda like lq, but without the suck.
[00:15] <agentc0re> without the suck, yet.
[00:15] <agentc0re> :P
[00:15] <redtricycle> Okay, I'll try that...
[00:15] <agentc0re> what sucks on lq anyways?
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[00:16] <Motoko-chan> It's too general.
[00:16] <godling> Would only an asshat know that forum is singular while fora is plural?
[00:16] <Motoko-chan> godling, I know that.
[00:16] <Motoko-chan> But it's not the common usage.
[00:16] <godling> No, it is not.
[00:16] <godling> But I am an uncommon individual.
[00:16] <agentc0re> Hence the name.
[00:16] <nullboy> aka asshat
[00:16] <Motoko-chan> Don't worry, internally, the database uses "fora"
[00:17] <godling> nullboy: asshats are not uncommon
[00:17] <nullboy> yeah you're right, especially around here
[00:17] <godling> nullboy: "It takes one to know one."
[00:17] <nullboy> dude i'm the king of the asshats
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[00:17] <godling> I can smell you from here.
[00:18] <nullboy>  /*\
[00:18] <Motoko-chan> ...
[00:18] <godling> We should start a fora called "Ask ##Slackware".
[00:19] <godling> We could have channel regulars answer all sorts of questions.
[00:19] <Motoko-chan> I could add a board for that.
[00:19] <Motoko-chan> Anyway, go register: http://slackforum.slackadelic.com/
[00:19] <Motoko-chan> Trolls *will* be banned.
[00:19] <Motoko-chan> Unless they are really funny.
[00:19] <godling> Then why should I even register?
[00:19] <godling> Oh, ok.
[00:19] <nullboy> but the reg form isn't ssl
[00:20] <nullboy> i'm freaking out man
[00:20] <godling> Yeah, what the hell?
[00:20] <Motoko-chan> ...
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[00:20] <dissociative> how do I disable power button softoff?
[00:20] <Motoko-chan> I could just disable until that's done, but seriously...
[00:21] <agentc0re> Remove it from the keyboard? :P
[00:21] <Motoko-chan> Use a non-important password.
[00:21] <agentc0re> troll/troll
[00:21] <nullboy> lol
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[00:21] <dissociative> or make only an authorized user to turn off the machine though the power switch/whatever
[00:21] <Motoko-chan> dissociative, try passing "acpi=off" at boot.
[00:22] <redtricycle> Okay, I ran xorgconfig
[00:22] <redtricycle> and I chose 1280x1024
[00:22] <dissociative> lol
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[00:22] <redtricycle> And, if it doesnt default to that
[00:22] <Motoko-chan> That'll kill all power management, including power stuff.
[00:22] <redtricycle> What am I missing?
[00:22] <redtricycle> is the videocard MB incorrect?
[00:22] <redtricycle> I'm pretty sure my driver is correct (i810)
[00:22] <nullboy> redtricycle: are you on an intel graphics card by any chance?
[00:22] <nullboy> ugh that's why
[00:22] <agentc0re> ahh, i can't create troll/troll... :P  damn password restrictions. :P
[00:22] <redtricycle> yes
[00:23] <redtricycle> Intel onboard graphics card
[00:23] <godling> nullboy: https://slackforum.slackadelic.com
[00:23] <Motoko-chan> heh
[00:23] <Motoko-chan> Don't screw around please.
[00:23] <Motoko-chan> I'm trying to be serious.
[00:23] <godling> oh what, were you doing something? I didn't catch it
[00:23] <agentc0re> Motoko-chan: Keyword, "trying". ;)
[00:24] <nullboy> haha
[00:24] <nullboy> this is slackware, not oprah
[00:24] <nullboy> i mean 60 minutes
[00:24] <godling> I just automatically try https:// for registration pages
[00:24] <godling> 60 minutes isn't 60 minutes anymore
[00:24] <godling> inflation and all
[00:25] <Motoko-chan> nullboy, actually this is Sparta.
[00:25] <Motoko-chan> But that joke is old.
[00:25] <nullboy> and tonight, we dine in HELL
[00:25] <godling> you people need original material
[00:26] Action: Motoko-chan thought we were going to dine in Utah
[00:26] <jkwood> I have over 9000 original material!
[00:26] <agentc0re> ...wtf
[00:26] <Motoko-chan> lol
[00:26] <agentc0re> Thats where i live.
[00:26] <nullboy> agentc0re: hell?
[00:26] <godling> All the liquor stores are state-run in Utah -- let's dine in Tahoe.
[00:26] <nullboy> oh you mean utah!
[00:26] <agentc0re> Aka Utah.  Yes.
[00:27] <nullboy> lol
[00:27] <agentc0re> :D
[00:27] <jkwood> I thought that was in Michigan.
[00:27] <agentc0re> What would you do if you lived with a bunch of morons?
[00:27] <agentc0re> s/morons/mormons
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[00:27] <godling> agentc0re: Nothing much different.
[00:28] <Motoko-chan> I work with two.
[00:28] <agentc0re> Well when you had to deal with the stupid beer/liquor laws here you probably would hate it.
[00:28] <godling> I know Mormons. They're just a bit loopy, is all.
[00:28] <nullboy> if i lived with a bunch of morons i'd setup plexiglass around the fridge and see how long it takes them to starve to death
[00:28] <agentc0re> HAHAH
[00:29] <Motoko-chan> Oh, yeah. The forum supports OpenID login.
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[00:29] <godling> why/
[00:29] <godling> *?
[00:29] <jkwood> Bah... I guess it's time to get an OpenID.
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[00:29] <jkwood> Especially considering one of my projects uses it.
[00:30] <Motoko-chan> Because it's handy at times.
[00:30] <Motoko-chan> Feel free to use a local account.
[00:30] <Motoko-chan> Anyway, only two registers?
[00:30] <Motoko-chan> You people disappoint me.
[00:31] <godling> That's what we're here for.
[00:31] <nullboy> i'm just not feeling it
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[00:31] <Motoko-chan> It's new...
[00:31] <jkwood> Motoko-chan: Gimme a minute, I need to get my OpenID.
[00:32] <jkwood> Oh, I guess I have one.
[00:32] <godling> Wow, it must be useful if you forgot you had one. :)
[00:32] <jkwood> Well, I'm not sure.
[00:32] <Motoko-chan> Not too many sites are actually acting as consumers.
[00:32] <jkwood> I think I have a blogger account...
[00:33] <Motoko-chan> Too many want to be the provider.
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[00:33] <jkwood> Ah, screw it for now.
[00:33] <godling> haha
[00:33] <Motoko-chan> AOL, LJ, Y!, and even MS Live! are providers.
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[00:33] <godling> jkwood: What happened to 21:31 < jkwood> Motoko-chan: Gimme a minute, I need to get my OpenID.
[00:33] <godling> ;)
[00:34] <jkwood> I just signed up.
[00:34] <godling> :O
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[00:35] <nullboy> i think tpollard is macavity
[00:36] <jkwood> Motoko-chan: Told you I'd be the third registration.
[00:37] <godling> On the OpenID website, it reads "... forget about online paperwork!"
[00:37] <godling> um
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[00:38] <Motoko-chan> lol
[00:38] <Motoko-chan> Online paper.
[00:38] <godling> did you just get that? :)
[00:39] <Motoko-chan> I was busy doing configuration
[00:39] <godling> did you fix the ssl?
[00:39] <Motoko-chan> No.
[00:39] <Motoko-chan> I'd need to buy a cert.
[00:40] <Motoko-chan> And get the server configured for SSL too.
[00:40] <godling> Just fake it like everyone else.
[00:40] <Motoko-chan> Fake it?
[00:41] <godling> sign the certificate yourself
[00:41] <Motoko-chan> Then it shows warnings
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[00:42] <godling> Motoko-chan: People who know the forums will know that you signed it yourself and will add the exception.
[00:42] <Motoko-chan> I think Mozilla now added cacert.org to their CA list...
[00:42] <redtricycle> Okay, so I made sure I have i915 module loaded
[00:42] <Motoko-chan> I still need to ask to get the server configured for it.
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[00:42] <redtricycle> Why can I not use the i915 video driver?
[00:43] <redtricycle> Loading the module doesn't create a video driver I can use?
[00:43] <smithers> how can i find out where my crond is reading the crontab files from?
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[00:46] <Motoko-chan> smithers, it's usually /var/spool/cron
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[01:15] <redtricycle> what's best practice for a command to run on startup?  I want to run 915resolution, but i'm unsure where to put it
[01:15] <redtricycle> rc.local?
[01:18] <jkwood> Generally, yes.
[01:19] <mbhayes> btw.. whoever said https://slackforum.slackadelic.com.. that won' work
[01:19] <mbhayes> its http://
[01:19] <mbhayes> night
[01:19] <Motoko-chan> Indeed it won't work.
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[01:21] <redtricycle> jkwood: will it get run if I was in init4, isntead of init3?
[01:21] <redtricycle> I see rc.local get called in rc.K
[01:21] <jkwood> It should, yes.
[01:22] <redtricycle> hrm, how do i change the init level?
[01:22] <Rat409> /etc/inittab
[01:23] <redtricycle> Thanks!
[01:24] <redtricycle> time to restart
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[01:51] <elektr1k_> fdf
[01:51] <elektr1k_> sperm
[01:51] <elektr1k_> it's amazing
[01:51] <elektr1k_> the taste of thick, creamy gorilla sperm.
[01:51] <twolf> what ever floats your boat
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[02:12] <slackytude> morning slackers
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[02:13] <twolf> mornin'
[02:14] <nullboy> this is an awesome way to get killed and never see it coming http://www.techtickerblog.com/2006/06/21/scarves-for-tech-addicts/
[02:17] <slackytude> nullboy, O_o
[02:18] <slackytude> nullboy, crazy people
[02:19] <nullboy> i'm just amazed that people would even consider using that in an area public enough to need it. you'd at least get mugged
[02:19] <slackytude> I wouldnt use it cos it makes you look like an utter tit
[02:20] <nullboy> lol
[02:21] <tank-man> so if people can't see you, you would use it?
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[02:21] <slackytude> heh, no
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[02:22] <slackytude> if people cant see me, why would I need to hide my desktop
[02:22] <nullboy> if people can't see you there is no need for it
[02:22] <slackytude> aye
[02:22] <tank-man> looks like it could be used to block the sun too
[02:23] <nullboy> out in the sticks you might use it for that
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[02:24] <nullboy> criminals in a heavy traffic park would see a shmuck with some sort of electronic device and a blindfold on though
[02:26] <twolf> lmao
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[02:26] <twolf> hi
[02:27] <antler> hello spartan
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[02:28] <slackytude> morning The-Croupier
[02:30] <edman007> The-Croupier, morning?
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[02:30] <slackytude> get a proper timezone
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[02:32] <eviljames> slackytude: Yeah, no shit.  Like mountain.  Or Pacific
[02:32] <slackytude> like, whatever
[02:32] <eviljames> werd
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[02:33] <nullboy> Thu Feb 19 23:33:33 PST 2009
[02:34] <slackytude> Today is Sweetmorn, the 51st day of Chaos in the YOLD 3175
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[02:36] <antler> is it just my imagination, or is ext4 really fast? :P
[02:37] <slackytude> it is supposed to be faster
[02:37] <slackytude> so, not your imagination alone
[02:37] <edman007> nullboy, you are in the past
[02:37] <edman007> Fri Feb 20 02:36:05 EST 2009
[02:38] <edman007> i'm in friday!
[02:38] <nullboy> you'll die first too
[02:38] <edman007> nonsense, when i'm about to die i'll go west
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[02:39] <edman007> Hawaii or something..
[02:39] <nullboy> there you have it!
[02:39] <edman007> but thats only to avoid death...
[02:39] <edman007> i prefer the live in the future
[02:39] <twolf> time travel is cool
[02:40] <antler> cool keep heading west and you'll never die
[02:41] <edman007> antler, exactly!
[02:41] <nullboy> http://psychcentral.com/news/2008/09/05/loneliness-harms-health/2882.html
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[02:41] <nullboy> i guess that means i'm unhealthy
[02:41] <slackytude> what else is new?
[02:41] <nullboy> seriously
[02:41] <nullboy> breathing is bad!
[02:41] <edman007> nullboy, no, if you IRC all day and all night you are less lonely than those who only socialize when others near them are awake
[02:42] <nullboy> edman007: i like that thinking
[02:42] <nullboy> then i should be the healthiest person around
[02:42] <edman007> there you go!
[02:42] <slackytude> eh, but irc aint the same as irl socializing
[02:42] <nullboy> yeah irl you get sick from the people you talk to
[02:43] <nullboy> unhealthy!
[02:43] <edman007> slackytude, you are right, you do more on irc
[02:43] <edman007> i'm in rooms with over 1000 people, and they can all hear me!
[02:43] <edman007> try doing that daily irl
[02:44] <edman007> and real life does not have /ignore
[02:44] <antler> we do need more love in this world, though..... *gulp*
[02:44] <nullboy> yeah i need some loving
[02:44] <edman007> antler, nullboy alright
[02:44] Action: edman007 pulls down his pants
[02:44] <twolf> lol
[02:44] <nullboy> omg get a tan!
[02:45] <edman007> nullboy, the sun causes cancer
[02:45] <nullboy> and that is unhealthy
[02:45] <slackytude> right, so sit in your cellar and chat all day = healthy
[02:46] <nullboy> apparently
[02:46] <antler> edman007: ^^
[02:47] <nullboy> i guess i should go out somehwere
[02:47] <antler> difficult to connect with peeps these days, that's for sure
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[02:47] <edman007> slackytude, hey, i'm on the second floor
[02:47] <nullboy> the only time i really go anywhere is for work
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[02:49] <slackytude> edman007, be careful not to over exposure yourself to the evil sun
[02:49] <slackytude> nullboy, feeling down?
[02:49] <nullboy> slightly
[02:49] <nullboy> but only slightly.
[02:49] <slackytude> must be friday blues
[02:50] <antler> getting laid doesn't help? or does that make it worse?
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[02:50] <nullboy> getting laid is the goal
[02:50] <nullboy> of course that helps
[02:50] <antlerPHIL> i see, please go on.
[02:50] <slackytude> I was just gonna say...
[02:50] <twolf> prostitutes might help
[02:50] <nullboy> hmm
[02:51] <antlerPHIL> i know a guy who feels lonier after he gets laid
[02:51] <slackytude> since you only work, you should have enough monrx
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[02:52] <edman007> hmm, still 86 days until i graduate :(
[02:52] Action: edman007 wants to get out of here
[02:53] <slackytude> post coitum omne animalium triste est
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[02:53] <nullboy> yeah right
[02:53] <slackytude> After sex all animals are sad
[02:53] <edman007> and why do the headlights have to burn out on my car? and how come when i changed em i found out that the last guy to touch em did a fail job and the bulb was not even fully inserted, and not screwed in either...
[02:54] <edman007> slackytude, depends..usually one side is happy...
[02:56] <nullboy> my knee is almost better so i'll go surf again soon. that is the problem really
[02:56] <nullboy> i wrecked it a few weeks ago and it's just now feeling strong enough to go back out. after that i'll be fine
[02:57] <antler> dude, you need that surfer chick in the movie 'point break'
[02:57] <nullboy> there is no such thing as surfer chicks
[02:57] <antler> ok. suit yourself. go surfing with patrick swayze.
[02:57] <nullboy> there are a few girls who surf, sure
[02:58] <nullboy> the problem is that you don't go out to talk
[02:58] <nullboy> you go out to surf
[02:58] <nullboy> you'll get fscked up if you start talking and forget where you are
[02:59] <antler> yeah, true enough
[02:59] <antler> then after surfing, the knees are too wobbly to even fsck? :P
[03:00] <nullboy> the chicks who really surf go out there to shred and on top of that it's not usually a situation that is conducive to talk
[03:00] <nullboy> most of the time you won't hear a single word where i surf
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[03:01] <slackytude> post coitum omne animal triste est, sive gallus et mulier
[03:01] <slackytude> After sex all animals are sad except the cock and the woman.
[03:02] <nullboy> haha
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[03:02] <slackytude> nullboy, anyway, I feel with you
[03:03] <slackytude> Im not the most social person anyway and now with job and study, my private life suffers
[03:03] <nullboy> yeah
[03:03] <antler> antler's philosophy: there ain't no shame in paying for tang.
[03:03] <slackytude> well, yeah, there is that
[03:04] <nullboy> not in California
[03:04] <antler> what does that mean exactly?
[03:04] <nullboy> there is no red light district
[03:05] <twolf> it is for sale though
[03:05] <antler> universal truth: tang is for sale everywhere
[03:05] <twolf> probably a lot more prosititutes in CA than any other state in the union
[03:05] <nullboy> i don't even know
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[03:06] <nullboy> i think the biggest reason right now for the slightly down feeling is that it's freaking winter
[03:06] <twolf> could always take a trip to Nevada
[03:06] <eviljames> I love going to just outside of Yaletown in Vancouver.
[03:07] <eviljames> The ladies of the night there might as well be supermodels.
[03:07] <nullboy> seasonal 'downness'. less Sun light and colder temps
[03:07] <eviljames> It's crazy.  CRAZY I say.
[03:07] <nullboy> tomorrow is search for tang day then
[03:08] <antler> escort service. yellow pages?
[03:08] <eviljames> pfft
[03:08] <eviljames> craigslist is cheaper
[03:08] <dtanner> since #firefox is rather dead .. can i ask a firefox qestion here ? maybe one of you will know the answer.
[03:08] <eviljames> it is plausible.
[03:08] <nullboy> dtanner: like we are on topic right now
[03:08] <dtanner> in Tools/downloads ( right click item ) ( open containing folder ) it uses konquerer. how do i change this ? i already looked in preferences/appliccations and konquerer is not in there.
[03:08] <dtanner> nullboy: =)
[03:09] <eviljames> dtanner: what would you prefer to have it open?
[03:09] <dtanner> nautilus , or emelfm , anything but konquerer
[03:09] <eviljames> Well, I think it actually passes a URI to the DE.
[03:10] <eviljames> are you using kde?
[03:10] <dtanner> no
[03:10] <dtanner> gnome
[03:10] <nullboy> dtanner: just give it the path /usr/bin/konqueror
[03:10] <nullboy> it worked for me
[03:10] <dtanner> where though , i sthe question
[03:10] <nullboy> after the first time it will add it to the list
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[03:10] <dtanner> i looked in prefs/applications
[03:11] <eviljames> ln -s /usr/bin/nautilus /usr/bin/konqueror :D
[03:11] <nullboy> right click, open containing folder, click choose
[03:11] <dtanner> no konquerre on any item in that dialigue box
[03:11] <nullboy> then enter the full path
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[03:11] <dtanner> if it is that easy i am going to kick my own ass
[03:11] <nullboy> in location
[03:11] <nullboy> yeah
[03:11] <nullboy> you'll be kicking
[03:11] <dtanner> nullboy:  tying it now
[03:11] <antler> to kick your own ass or to specify a path?
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[03:12] <dtanner> ok nullboy , when i do tools/downloads and right click an item there is no "choose"
[03:12] <slackytude> use opera
[03:12] <nullboy> clikc open containing folder first
[03:12] <dtanner> i just did
[03:12] <nullboy> then click choose
[03:13] <nullboy> "choose and application"
[03:13] <dtanner> it gives me no option to choose , it goes straight to konquerer
[03:13] <nullboy> dunno then
[03:13] <nullboy> mine gives me the option
[03:13] <antler> slackytude:  heh opera does NOT do hotmail.com 100% of the time
[03:13] <dtanner> me either =) I am using 3.0.6 ff
[03:13] <nullboy> sma ehere
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[03:15] <nullboy> dtanner: what if you go to edit > preferences > applications: what does it show for "file"
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[03:15] <tank-man> my google-fu says, add the following line to prefs.js: user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.file", "konqueror");
[03:15] <nullboy> mine is set to 'ask me'
[03:15] <dtanner> nullboy:  let me check
[03:15] <tank-man> or modify
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[03:16] <dtanner> about:config should have it now that you mention prefs.js
[03:16] <dtanner> looking
[03:17] <slackytude> funny slashdot http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/19/2338245
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[03:19] <dtanner> nullboy: no 'file' in edit > prefs > applications
[03:19] <nullboy> what the hell
[03:19] <nullboy> oh yeah i remember why i hate firefox
[03:19] <dtanner> i can ss if you like
[03:19] <dtanner> it is not there
[03:19] <nullboy> don't bother i believe oyu
[03:19] <dtanner> heh
[03:20] <dtanner> i am looking in "about:config" for network.protocol-handler.app.file as tank-man suggested
[03:21] <tank-man> yea i actually don't use firefox so all my suggestions are from google
[03:21] <nullboy> ff is crazy
[03:21] <nullboy> i've had this same issue before
[03:22] <slackytude> opera ftw!
[03:22] <dive> elinks!
[03:22] <dtanner> slackytude: been a long time since i used opera , i used it for quite sometime several years ago
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[03:23] <slackytude> dtanner, I like it. ff annoys me
[03:23] <dtanner> i used to like opera a lot and started using ff .. kinda forgot about it
[03:24] <nullboy> omg it's friday!
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[03:24] <dtanner> every answer that was given to me should have worked , i remember changing this in the past to whatever fiel manager i wanted to use, and now i can find it in any place you all syggested. i had already tried all the above mentioned anyways , but i just tried again and no-go on all of them
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[03:27] <mac-> hi there
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[03:27] <dtanner> wonder what monitor i will get ... hmm .... in the market. i have always liked viewsonic, maybe i will look around at the viewsonics for prices on 19" or larger
[03:28] <tank-man> i was looking at an acer 23" @ $230CAD
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[03:29] Action: dtanner kicks ff in the arse
[03:29] <tank-man> acer H233H, research that and tell me if it is good
[03:29] <tank-man> :)
[03:30] <dtanner> will do
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[03:31] <tank-man> i was looking at that one specifily cause of price and hdmi input
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[03:31] <leptom> morning
[03:32] <tank-man> still night for me, welcome to the past!
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[03:33] <dtanner> tank-man: there is a product-wiki on that one :)
[03:33] <spook> its friday 5:33pm, you are mostly in the past to me
[03:34] <dtanner> 23-inch 1080p monitor from Acer. Featuring a resolution of 1920 x 1080px
[03:34] <dtanner> spook: :)
[03:35] Action: The-Croupier is sooo bored... and not able to use his laptop make fridays unbearable
[03:36] <dtanner> tank-man: for the price it loooks like an excellent deal. I have never owned an Acer monitor.
[03:36] <slackytude> morning spook
[03:36] <dtanner> found it for 220 USD at amazon
[03:36] <tank-man> yea looks good for the price
[03:37] <dive> dtanner, I don't have network.protocol-handler.app.file either - perhaps you should add it and see if it works
[03:37] <dive> or did you?
[03:37] <dtanner> i might just try that
[03:38] <slackytude> spook, didnt you play with robocode yesterday?
[03:38] <dtanner> it seesm as if it may be a "freedoestop,org standard" area , i think the shared (between de/sm) desktop stuff is in .desktop IIRC
[03:39] <spook> slackytude: yes
[03:39] <spook> slackytude: currently doing algebra to do leading shots
[03:39] <dtanner> something that firefox looks at outisde of its own preferences/config maybe
[03:40] <dive> I know pidgin runs a kde wrapper script if it finds it, and then wrapper executes whatever kde has set up for the task
[03:40] <dive> which is annoying
[03:40] <slackytude> spook, heh, fun. I always liked programming games
[03:40] <spook> slackytude: its hard...
[03:40] <spook> slackytude: havent done any serious maths in 3 years
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[03:43] <slackytude> gah
[03:43] <slackytude> spook, so, what do your bot do?
[03:44] <slackytude> any strategy?
[03:44] <spook> slackytude: it started off by weaving, but now it stops and shoots, sits still when shooting a target that isnt moving
[03:44] <spook> runs away when its low on health
[03:44] <slackytude> heh
[03:44] <slackytude> smart
[03:44] <slackytude> can you lay mines?
[03:44] <spook> no
[03:45] <spook> all these directives currently conflict
[03:45] <spook> so it does weird shit.
[03:45] <slackytude> great
[03:45] <spook> in 1000 games with a selection of bots, the sample bot that constantly spins in circles, shooting when a robot is in front of it, always wins
[03:45] <spook> ALWAYS
[03:46] <slackytude> lol
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[03:46] <slackytude> thats pretty sad
[03:46] <spook> only because nothing has intelligent aiming
[03:47] <spook> you can find out the name of your target, so if its the spinning one you can calculate where it will be and kill it.
[03:47] <slackytude> have you tried league bots?
[03:47] <spook> no
[03:48] <slackytude> there should be one which can aim
[03:48] <spook> there isnt
[03:48] <spook> none that factor in time anyway
[03:49] <slackytude> hm
[03:49] <slackytude> anyway robocode does look nice
[03:49] <slackytude> I used to play a lot of these games
[03:50] <spook> i'm choosing it as an ongoing competition aimed at first years, because they learn java in first sem, but nothing about listeners or event driven programming, then they are thrown in the deep end in second semester programming lego robots.
[03:51] <slackytude> there is this one, where you can have bots working together. so you can communicate between different robots and even spoof and disturb enemy comm
[03:51] <slackytude> very cool idea
[03:51] <spook> in robocode you can have bot teams, a leader and drones.
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[03:53] <slackytude> what do they do?
[03:53] <slackytude> how do they work together?
[03:55] <spook> the leader is the only one with radar. and sends a broadcast to the drones, the drones listen for broadcasts and act based on them
[03:56] <spook> like the leader sees an enemy bot as says "theres a bot at (12,51), shoot it
[03:56] <spook> the drones calculate which way to shoot, and shoot.
[03:56] <slackytude> nice
[03:56] <spook> theres an example in there
[03:57] <slackytude> gonna play around with robocode tomorrow
[03:57] <slackytude> today I can go home one hour early!
[03:57] <spook> problems that exist:  shooting through a teammate by accident. shooting the leader by accident and screwing the whole team over.
[03:57] <slackytude> and no work on monday \o/
[03:57] <slackytude> spook, lol
[03:57] <slackytude> friendly fire isnt
[04:01] <spook> yeah
[04:01] <spook> okay, to work out the time at which your shot will hit an enemy
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[04:02] <arny> hi
[04:02] <alienBOB> Good morning
[04:03] <arny> alienBOB, have you tested the k3b issue?
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[04:04] <spook> t = -(2v1(b1 -a1)+2v2(b2-a2))+/-sqrt((2v1(b1-a1)^2+2v2(b2-a2)^2)^2 -4(v2^2-s^2+v1^2)((b1-a1)^2+(b2-a2)^2))  / 2(v2^2-s^2+v1^2)
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[04:09] <alienBOB> arny: yes I did. I can run k3b (the version for kde3) without any problems on slackware-current with kde3 replaced by kde4.2 and the kde3-compat packages installed.
[04:10] <slackytude> spook, speed is always the same?
[04:10] <alienBOB> However, I can not run the k3b configuration tool because there is no longer a kcmshell (only kcmshell4) and after symlinking kcmshell to kcmshell4 there are errors about libraries not found (because kcmshell4 will not look in old kde3 library directories
[04:11] <spook> slackytude: its relative to the power of the shot
[04:11] <slackytude> no, I mean speed of movement
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[04:11] <slackytude> for enemy bot
[04:11] <spook> oh it can be variable
[04:11] <slackytude> eh
[04:11] <spook> as long as it stays the same from the time of the shot to being hit
[04:11] <spook> no maths can solve that if it changes
[04:11] <istran> Windows fsuck.. haha
[04:12] <slackytude> spook, yeah, so keep changing speed of bot constantly as defense
[04:13] <spook> randomly?
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[04:13] <istran> any updates from the slackware?
[04:13] <spook> istran: slackware-security
[04:13] <slackytude> spook, sure
[04:14] <slackytude> spook, or have a set of possible speeds and go throught them one by one. anyway, it will spoil any attempt at aiming precisily
[04:14] <istran> kernel..
[04:14] <spook> slackytude: sure but if i was to make my bot close in on the other one, it will start off with a few lucky hits here and there, then start getting 100%
[04:15] <istran> 2.26?
[04:15] <istran> no GNOME?
[04:15] <spook> istran: 2.6.27.7 is in 12.2 and that will never change.
[04:15] <istran> haha
[04:15] <istran> good stable...
[04:15] <slackytude> istran, there are 3rd party packges for gnome on slack
[04:15] <slackytude> istran, and if you want a new kernel, roll your own
[04:15] <istran> ohhh yeah?
[04:15] <slackytude> yeah
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[04:16] <istran> that means good for web designing?
[04:16] <slackytude> huh?
[04:16] <istran> joke
[04:16] <istran> im using slack as web server
[04:16] <dtanner> istran:  gware.org is one
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[04:16] <spook> you dont need gnome for a webserver
[04:16] <istran> but for my web disign still windowns huhuh
[04:17] <istran> nop
[04:17] <istran> gnome for my web design
[04:17] <spook> kde?
[04:17] <istran> server KDE is better
[04:17] <slackytude> supposedly, there is IE for linux, so you can preview your web code in IE, but not sure how good that is
[04:17] <istran> ie4?
[04:17] <slackytude> not sure
[04:17] <istran> using wine?
[04:17] Action: slackytude no web dev
[04:17] <istran> yap
[04:18] <slackytude> just talking to guys who do webdev in linux
[04:18] <istran> slack created for server huh?
[04:18] <slackytude> but Im guessing wine, yeah
[04:18] <istran> yap i do web dev in linux
[04:18] <istran> slack distro ofcourse
[04:18] <spook> ...
[04:18] <slackytude> I use it on my desktop at work and on my laptop
[04:18] <istran> :-D
[04:19] <istran> yeah in my p2 too
[04:19] <samychow> what applications do you need for web dev istran?
[04:20] <istran> framework for php
[04:20] <spook> zend?
[04:20] <istran> the other one?
[04:20] <samychow> istran could i pm you some questions about web development?
[04:20] <istran> code igniter..
[04:20] <istran> yap/
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[04:35] <istran> fedora bad ashh
[04:35] <istran> another alpha?
[04:35] <istran> huhuhu
[04:39] <qwaza> hi all. I am  sending out gratuitous ARP replies to facilitate failover between two web servers. Apache listens on 0.0.0.0 but still the clients are not able to connect. What can be the problem? I have checked with tcpdump that ARP replies are correct. The client has its ARP cache updated
[04:40] <qwaza> any help will be appreciated
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[04:41] <qwaza> iptables is disabled
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[04:49] <istran> http://erwinagpasa.freetzi.com
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[04:49] <istran> i wish i have a money to buy my own domain..
[04:49] <istran>  http://erwinagpasa.freetzi.com i wish i have a money to buy my own domain hahaha
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[04:56] <tank-man> social engineer, aka con artist :P
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[05:09] <Camarade_Tux> istran, a .com domain is less than 10$ a year
[05:09] <Camarade_Tux> hmmm, maybe I haven't timeout'ed
[05:09] <Zordrak> a .co.uk is £10 ($6-7?) for two fears :)
[05:10] <Zordrak> years
[05:10] <Camarade_Tux> Zordrak, I think you're swapping rates for £/$ ;)
[05:10] <slava_dp> a pound is less than a buck? how come?
[05:10] <istran> but i can't afford it
[05:10] <Camarade_Tux> 6-7$ should be about 10£
[05:10] <Zordrak> yeah.. tother way roond
[05:11] <Zordrak> a .co.uk is £10 ($13?) for two fears :)
[05:11] <Soul_keeper> a pound is 1.4280 bucks
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[05:11] <Zordrak> years :)
[05:11] Action: Camarade_Tux thinks he will install qt only for k3b, again
[05:11] <slava_dp> Camarade_Tux, why not xfburn?
[05:11] <istran> I only earned 6k philppine money haha
[05:11] <frafra> how to upgrade slackware?
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[05:11] <istran> 6k/month
[05:11] <Camarade_Tux> slava_dp, I'm gonna install xfce just for xfburn then :D
[05:12] <xenix> Hello i got some Problems with slackware 10.2
[05:12] <xenix> with /lib/cpp
[05:12] <slava_dp> Camarade_Tux, :-D lol
[05:12] <Camarade_Tux> istran, which currency is it ?
[05:12] <xenix> i cant configure anything :s:s:s:s
[05:12] <istran> can you click some my adsense http://erwinagpasa.freetzi.com
[05:13] Action: Camarade_Tux cancels the burning process
[05:13] <Zordrak> istran: get
[05:13] <istran>  can you click some adsense here http://erwinagpasa.freetzi.com
[05:13] <Zordrak> istran: the
[05:13] <Zordrak> istran: fuck
[05:13] <Zordrak> istran: out
[05:13] <Camarade_Tux> gasp, it was actually writing
[05:13] <Camarade_Tux> df -h
[05:13] <Camarade_Tux> fail :)
[05:13] <istran> what?
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[05:14] <alienBOB> Dumbwit
[05:14] <tewmten> mornin'
[05:15] <slava_dp> Camarade_Tux, one blank disc less now :)
[05:17] <frafra> how to set firefox in my language?
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[05:19] <rapid> edit , preferences, content..
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[05:22] <Camarade_Tux> slava_dp, dvd+rw :)
[05:22] <slava_dp> Camarade_Tux, lucky you :)
[05:23] <Camarade_Tux> slava_dp, actually I don't have dvd+/-r available, only rw ones ;)
[05:23] Action: Camarade_Tux is really annoyed at the speed this dvd burns and the apparent lack of activity on the drive
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[05:27] <Camarade_Tux> so, I'm writing on an dvd that is also currently mounted :)
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[05:36] <slackytude> thats bad
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[05:37] <slackytude> morning TwinReverb
[05:37] <TwinReverb> hey bro
[05:37] <TwinReverb> how are you doin?
[05:37] <TwinReverb> g
[05:38] <slackytude> fine
[05:38] <slackytude> I can go one hour earlier today and no work on monday
[05:38] <slackytude> \o/
[05:38] <slackytude> how about you?
[05:38] <TwinReverb> i'm going to be on 12 hour shifts for about 7 days or so
[05:39] <TwinReverb> not all that is military is cake :S
[05:39] <spook> slackytude: any more questions just pm me
[05:39] <slackytude> TwinReverb, sux
[05:39] <slackytude> spook, not really. I think Ill just try it out this weekend
[05:40] <slackytude> I like programming games
[05:40] <TwinReverb> how is -current everyone?
[05:40] <spook> slackytude: i might make #robocode since i cant find any related channel
[05:40] <slackytude> for the students, too?
[05:40] <spook> yeah guess so
[05:41] <slackytude> eh, virtual classroom
[05:41] <spook> lol
[05:41] <slackytude> atleast you can make it silent by command ^-^
[05:44] <spook> slackytude: i'm a student myself.
[05:44] <slackytude> as am I
[05:49] <TwinReverb> and the world's a stage
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[05:51] <slava_dp> anyone installed likewise open?
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[06:12] <stybla> good noon.
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[06:13] <Zordrak> Good not quite noon yot
[06:13] <Zordrak> *yet
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[06:19] <Camarade_Tux> I have a dvd+rw that I can't mount but it has data on it and I'd like to see (not recover) what it was, how could I do ?
[06:20] <qwaza> If raw device is accessible, just dump the whole disk with dd to hard disk and then mount the file
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[06:23] <Camarade_Tux> 'dd if=/dev/hda of=/root/hda' fails with Input/output error =/
[06:23] <stybla> Camarade_Tux: i'm just being curious, what's the reason of not mounting?
[06:24] <Camarade_Tux> stybla, mount fails
[06:24] <stybla> Camarade_Tux: yes, but why? any reasonable errors in logs?
[06:26] <Camarade_Tux> stybla, 'mount /dev/dvd /mnt/dvd' gives me http://pastey.net/108615
[06:27] <Camarade_Tux> but that doesn't matter much, chances are it was some kind of pr0n
[06:27] <stybla> what a loss!
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[06:27] <stybla> anyway, :/
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[06:27] <Camarade_Tux> hmmm, maybe mplayer can find out :)
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[06:29] <Camarade_Tux> if only I could raw-copy some data...
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[06:30] <leptom> Camarade_Tux: is it well burned?
[06:32] <stybla> Camarade_Tux: do you have another drive to try it in?
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[06:32] <leptom> it likes a hardware or media problem
[06:32] <Camarade_Tux> stybla, yeah but if it's really pr0n, I'd better not try it on my mother's laptop :p
[06:32] <Camarade_Tux> (plus it runs vista)
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[06:32] <Camarade_Tux> leptom, I think it was properly burnt
[06:34] <frullet> Camarade_Tux: is it molested with scratches?
[06:35] <Camarade_Tux> frullet, not a single one
[06:35] <stybla> frullet: dvd doesn't have to be :(
[06:35] <stybla> dvd's just ... die.
[06:36] <stybla> s/'s/s/
[06:36] <leptom> when was burnt?
[06:37] <Camarade_Tux> less than one year ago I think
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[06:37] <leptom> Check in another drive if it fails... is dead (or death?)
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[06:39] <Camarade_Tux> I think the dvd has been quick-formatted so another drive won't help but I'd like to see what was on
[06:40] <frullet> well, if you cant get any drive(s) to read it, not much you can do
[06:41] <chopp> check it on moms vista box and get it over with. :P
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[06:43] <Old_Fogie> "quick formatted" a DVD? didn't know that existed.
[06:43] <Camarade_Tux> Old_Fogie, it does although I'm not sure it should...
[06:43] <Camarade_Tux> well, anyway, let's burn something over it
[06:44] <frullet> Camarade_Tux: more pr0n :P
[06:44] <Camarade_Tux> frullet, lol, gparted live actually ;p (yeah, I'm using gparted this time, and I'm also using a dvd for 200MB)
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[07:02] <Camarade_Tux> hmmm, the burn failed actually
[07:03] <Camarade_Tux> and the error in dmesg is the one I would get when trying to mount or trying to use dd
[07:03] <Zordrak> bored
[07:03] <Camarade_Tux> Zordrak, want a free frisbee ? :)
[07:03] <Zordrak> Camarade_Tux: no ta
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[07:06] <stybla> Camarade_Tux: how about some free pr0n?
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[07:09] <Camarade_Tux> stybla, hold on a second, I'm gonna shoot some :)
[07:10] <stybla> oh my! :D
[07:10] <stybla> on the other hand, if there won't be any males in it, and you are going to be ONLY (!!!) directory ... why the hell not :p
[07:12] <Camarade_Tux> slackboy is in it :)
[07:12] <stybla> slackboy is female? doubtful. :)
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[07:14] <Camarade_Tux> I'm only directing it and we'll take #ubuntu-women's bot :)
[07:14] <Camarade_Tux> (I don't think they have on actually)
[07:14] <stybla> i won't comment on that (ubuntu) one :)
[07:15] <nix_chix0r> :P
[07:15] <Camarade_Tux> hehe :p
[07:15] <stybla> ummm some real first person action
[07:15] <stybla> (still speaking regarding to pr0n)
[07:15] Action: stybla sighs
[07:16] <stybla> no time, no money ...
[07:16] <nix_chix0r> rolaids dont kick in fast enough
[07:16] Action: stybla backs off to some reading...
[07:16] <slackytude> bah
[07:16] <Camarade_Tux> I'm probably going to do something stupid : win7 x64 dvd ready, winXP x64 cd given by MS ready, gparted-live ready, slamd64 dvd ready
[07:16] <stybla> have you guys ever messed with madwifi on 64bits?
[07:17] <stybla> or, any tips on 64bits at all?
[07:17] <stybla> i'm quite oldtimer, but we are going to move some wifi APs to 64bits (and yes, i'm afraid)
[07:18] <stybla> or is there nothing to worry about?
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[07:20] <slackytude> gawd
[07:21] <slackytude> mysql field to store windows path = PITA
[07:21] <stybla> :D
[07:21] <stybla> slackytude: not at all. it does sound funny to me :p
[07:22] <slackytude> pita = pain in the ass
[07:22] <stybla> i know the meaning of pita.
[07:23] <stybla> :\
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[07:28] <stybla> slackytude: i'm sorry, just killing time and trying to get into mood (for some "work").
[07:28] <slackytude> no problem
[07:28] <slackytude> Its just that Im slightly pissed off
[07:29] <stybla> can't you kill the guy who did it?
[07:29] <slackytude> I cant enter the damn win path. If I escape the \ it looks right inside Query Browser but application sees all the \'s
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[07:29] <slackytude> if I ever find him, he ll be in trouble
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[07:39] <Camarade_Tux> webkit-gtk : 2GB of libs, 50MB once stripped :D
[07:39] <ccfreak2k> Debugging the debigging routines!
[07:39] <TwinReverb> wow
[07:39] <Camarade_Tux> I was wondering why the folder was using 4GB
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[07:41] <chopp> I used to use a program in KDE for CD rip/encoding. I haven't used/installed kde in a long time, and forget what it was. Any suggestions for an app?
[07:42] <ccfreak2k> KAudioCreator?
[07:43] <chopp> I'm guessing thats a kde app? I'm looking for something non kde.
[07:44] <Camarade_Tux> cdparanoia ? :D
[07:45] <mohaa> chopp, http://nostatic.org/grip/
[07:45] <chopp> "rip" looks like what I need. Just to make a slackbuild of it.
[07:46] <chopp> Camarade_Tux: I could just use that yes.
[07:47] <chopp> mohaa: I did use to use grip, but isn't that a gnome app?
[07:47] <Camarade_Tux> doh, /me removed /tmp instead of /tmp/
[07:47] <Camarade_Tux> *
[07:47] <mohaa> chopp, it does the job :P
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[07:47] <mohaa> chopp, have a look here http://freshmeat.net/browse/118/
[07:49] <chopp> mohaa: thanks.
[07:49] <mohaa> welcome :)
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[08:00] <slackytude> alrite
[08:01] <slackytude> new version is online
[08:01] <slackytude> quite stressy
[08:01] <slackytude> but looks like everything works
[08:01] <slackytude> ....so far
[08:02] <slava_dp> stybla, regarding madwifi on 64 bits, you could use ath5k, it works allrite now. Although i had to build 2.6.28 for a usable version.
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[08:15] <stybla> slava_dp: ehm. it's for production, not hokus-pokus :)
[08:15] <stybla> slava_dp: i mean, i plan to do as little maintenance as possible.
[08:16] <slava_dp> stybla, the latter is a different point :)
[08:17] <slava_dp> stybla, and you could try it in the stock kernel, it works for many cards.
[08:18] <stybla> slava_dp: madwifi-ng works without any major problems. i see no reason why not to stick with it. when it's time for ath5k, then it's time. [i don't think it's now]
[08:19] <stybla> slava_dp: i somehow don't have time to play around with it, or choose the best hw to hit ath5k "mood".
[08:19] <stybla> slava_dp: and don't take it as offense.
[08:20] <stybla> or with 'c'.
[08:20] <slava_dp> stybla, i had suspend problems with madwifi. that's why i use ath5k.
[08:20] <stybla> slava_dp: suspend problems? huh?
[08:21] <stybla> slava_dp: i've said it's for wifi AP, didn't i? :)
[08:21] <slava_dp> stybla, ok, let's stop it :) we have different uses for the hardware :)
[08:22] <stybla> slava_dp: no suspeding is planned. if you mean this radar detection and dfs wannabe, it can be turned off ;)
[08:22] <stybla> slava_dp: alrighty. how about madwifi-ng on 64bit platform?
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[08:24] <ccfreak2k> It seems that mupen64plus sets -march=i686 -mtune=pentium-m.
[08:24] <ccfreak2k> It seems to be hard-coded.
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[08:47] <volo> hello
[08:49] <TwinReverb> hi
[09:00] <hitest> hi
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[09:21] <slackytude> fuck
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[09:21] <slackytude> stuff gets inserted into wrong coloumns
[09:21] <slackytude> damnit
[09:22] <TwinReverb> ?
[09:22] <slackytude> Im modifing the software that handles our customer data
[09:22] <slackytude> just pushed the update
[09:22] <slackytude> now stuff goes wrong
[09:23] <TwinReverb> wonderul
[09:23] <TwinReverb> er wonderful
[09:23] <slackytude> indeed
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[09:27] <agentc0re> Thats what test servers are for :P
[09:27] <slackytude> bah
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[09:27] <slackytude> klingon programmers test on production
[09:27] <fred> they're not as bad as ferengi programmers
[09:27] <agentc0re> HAH
[09:27] <fred> (programming by strict adherence to rules)
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[09:28] <fred> on the other hand, strict rules of acquisition could be handy for multithreaded programming :p
[09:28] <TwinReverb> i thought they programmed by strict adherence to whatever made the most profit
[09:28] <fred> no, there's rules that are more important than profit :p
[09:28] <TwinReverb> i thought it was vulcans that programmed by strict adherence to rules of logic
[09:28] <fred> ferengis follow the rules of acquisition
[09:28] <TwinReverb> well to us humans, yes
[09:28] <fred> vulcans follow the rules of logic
[09:28] <TwinReverb> bleh i want to program by Q's rules
[09:28] <fred> where rules of acquisition  are not just "whataever has most profit"
[09:29] <TwinReverb> the rules of "i do whatever the @#$ i want"
[09:29] <slackytude> rule 32: Never bluff a klingon
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[09:29] <fred> TwinReverb: go watch more star trek :p
[09:29] <fred> especially DS9
[09:29] <TwinReverb> more?
[09:29] <TwinReverb> nah i wasn't into ds9
[09:30] <TwinReverb> voyager / next generation for me
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[09:30] <TwinReverb> what is everyone's favorite star trek character?
[09:31] <slackytude> voyager sucks
[09:31] <slackytude> data or worf
[09:31] <TwinReverb> data here
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[09:33] <hitest> Spock
[09:33] <slackytude> oy! spock is cool
[09:33] <slackytude> sisco
[09:33] <TwinReverb> the one shape shifter on DS9 was pretty cool (forgot his name)
[09:33] <slackytude> anyway, looks like the software works like expected after all
[09:33] <slackytude> Odo
[09:34] <slackytude> some jerk gave some customer for a license wich the tools supports but we actually dont have a product for
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[09:34] <slackytude> that confused me a bit
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[09:57] <slackytude> alrite
[09:57] <slackytude> time to go
[09:57] <slackytude> gotta escape before a real bug emerges
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[10:28] <bhodgins> can you believe I got banned last night from a channel that doesnt allow sharing ip's, just by saying 12.2 ships with 2.6.27.7
[10:29] <Gargantua> hahaha
[10:29] <rworkman> What channel is that?
[10:29] <Gargantua> which channel?
[10:29] <bhodgins> its not on freenode. its that rediculously lame slavehack game thing. But some of the people in the irc channel are worth talking to someties.
[10:30] <bhodgins> ink, some of the admins there are hoohoos.
[10:32] <bhodgins> s/n/d/
[10:33] <ccfreak2k> What the hell is a hoohoo?
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[10:34] <bhodgins> a weener, a vagina, stoner, idiot, weirdo, loser, whatever.
[10:35] <bhodgins> goofs
[10:35] <Gargantua> crazy, looney.
[10:35] <bhodgins> yeah
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[10:48] <spook> i need midori
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[10:55] <gnubien> spook: cant compile midori?
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[10:58] <spook> midori is a melon flavoured liquer
[10:58] <spook> its nice with lemonade
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[11:00] <fred> it's also the japanese word for 'green' iirc
[11:00] <ahmed-tux> hi
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[11:11] <spook> fred: yeah it is
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[11:12] <spook> but its not japanese alcohol
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[11:12] <spook> its like french or something crazy
[11:14] <bhodgins> lol
[11:14] <rk4n3> midori + orange juice = "Mellon-ball" = yum
[11:14] <spook> lol
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[11:19] <spook> rum + lemonade isnt as bad as i thought it would be
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[11:20] <dive> ewww lemonade
[11:21] <spook> its all i have
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[11:24] <dive> but you probably mean real lemonade not that crap they sell in supermarkets, right?
[11:24] <dive> I drink everything neat
[11:24] <dive> except maybe for ice in the summer
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[11:27] <spook> uhuh
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[11:28] <Gargantua> real lemonade is the shit
[11:30] <bhodgins> I need to find a way to load a kernel from a hard disk, almost wondering, do you think I would have to create a filesyste driver?
[11:30] <bhodgins> on my custo bootloader*
[11:30] <bhodgins> custom*
[11:30] <bhodgins> stupid m key is bothering
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[11:41] <bhodgins> its going to suck if I have to write filesystem drivers. Cause I heard theyre a pain.
[11:41] <bhodgins> well, in real mode
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[11:45] <frank360_> 'lo
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[11:50] <frank360> Hi
[11:50] <bhodgins> hey
[11:51] <frank360> What's up?
[11:52] <bhodgins> not much!
[11:52] <frank360> So I notice
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[11:52] <bhodgins> just about to go get groceries then look to see if I can make or find some jfs drivers in asm
[11:52] <dive> ...
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[11:59] <jonsmith1982> 1> /dev/null 2> /dev/null how do you do that in a oner?
[11:59] <Gargantua> 1 > 2 > /dev/null maybe
[11:59] <rworkman> no
[11:59] <rworkman> 2>/dev/null 1>&2
[12:00] <rworkman> I *think* bash has a "&>/dev/null" but I'm not sure if/how it plays with other shells
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[12:01] <rworkman> Yep, in bash, that sends everything to /dev/null.  In ksh, it backgrounds the process, just like I'd expect.
[12:01] <jonsmith1982> thats what i was trying, im using sh though.
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[12:04] <tntslack> can i transfer some files from Linux to VirtualBox Windows and How?
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[12:10] <Gargantua> tntslack, put it in an iso and make virtualbox use it as a cd image
[12:11] <liberion> anyone here?
[12:11] <tntslack> Gargantua how convert files to iso in linux?
[12:11] <BP{k}> or see if you can use shared folders, a samba share, put it on a local webserver etc etc etc
[12:11] <njathan> i am trying to configure pppoe on my slackware 12.0 box. But the method i used successfully last time, is not working for me. Is there a gui/tui tools available to configure pppoe?
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[12:12] <BP{k}> liberion: no we're all out and gone to the pub.
[12:12] <tntslack> BP{k} i made share, but in windows can't find it...
[12:12] <njathan> typo.. slackware 12.2
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[12:13] <liberion> can anyone see me type?
[12:13] <tank-man> all i see are astrickes *******
[12:13] <BP{k}> [17:13] ( liberion)
[12:14] <tntslack> <liberion> anyone here?
[12:14] <tntslack> <liberion> can anyone see me type?
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[12:14] <liberion> tntslack, sorry having trouble with my irc passwd
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[12:44] <Khratos> good `date +%r`
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[12:54] <taub> how come the terminal emulator under kde doesn't do anything
[12:54] <taub> i just get a terminal screen, but i cant type in it
[12:55] <macavity> kde 3 or 4?
[12:55] <taub> dunno :D
[12:55] <macavity> >_<
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[12:55] <macavity> click help -> about KDE?
[12:55] <taub> 3.5
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[12:56] <BP{k}> Terminal works fine. So does Konsole.
[12:56] <macavity> is your keyboard set up with the KDE control module, or in xorg.conf?
[12:57] <macavity> i assume you are using the german keyboard layout?
[12:57] <taub> well, its not that i cant type
[12:58] <taub> but i dont even get the $taub@taub: thingy
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[12:58] <macavity> it just says "bash-something"?
[12:58] <taub> just black screen and one green square
[12:59] <macavity> and what happens if you type a command and press enter?
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[12:59] <taub> nothing
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[12:59] <BP{k}> taub: if you resize Terminal, does it resize properly?
[12:59] <taub> no input is read either
[12:59] <Zosma> taub: dammit I've had the same issue.
[13:00] <Zosma> Can't remember what it was.
[13:00] <taub> i mean, nothing changes on the screen, still looks like an empty vi file
[13:00] <macavity> taub: hit alt-F2, type Terminal, and give BP{k} an answer
[13:00] <Zosma> taub: it could be a certain package is/was missing?
[13:00] <taub> yeah resize works
[13:00] <Zosma> Did you install everything?
[13:01] <macavity> taub: of Terminal or Konsole?
[13:01] <taub> yep
[13:01] <Zosma> I guess the XFCE Terminal.
[13:01] <macavity> you can asnwer "yep" to an either or question...
[13:01] <Zosma> He installed everything.
[13:01] <BP{k}> well he said "Terminal Emulator" .. which is the official menu item for XFCE Terminal.
[13:01] <taub> ohkay, konsole works
[13:01] <taub> terminal doesn't
[13:01] <Zosma> Who has access to the logs here?
[13:02] <macavity> ah, ok
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[13:02] <taub> terminal works as root though
[13:02] <Zosma> You might grep for Zosma and Terminal... I had the same issue once :-P
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[13:02] <BP{k}> Zosma: what year? ;)
[13:02] <Zosma> Mmm good one.
[13:02] <Zosma> I think 2008.
[13:02] Action: BP{k} goes for 200?.log
[13:02] <macavity> lol
[13:02] <macavity> thats only like 50 megs or so
[13:03] <Zosma> Hehe...
[13:03] <macavity> no wait.. more
[13:03] <macavity> iirc 130 megs
[13:03] <BP{k}> 336
[13:03] <Zosma> It was either 2008 or 2007.
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[13:03] <Zosma> And it was really stupid...
[13:03] Action: Zosma kicks memory.
[13:04] <BP{k}> 2007 ;)
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[13:04] <macavity> BP{k} == da masta of grep fu!
[13:04] <Zosma> :-)
[13:04] <BP{k}> pfft, I wish.
[13:04] <Camarade_Tux> It's been a pleasure to meet you guys and gals, I'm now going to format my computer, I don't know if it'll ever be back online
[13:04] <BP{k}> ##slackware.2007.log:[10-07-2007][14:44] ( Zosma) BP{k}: I'd made a user account with useradd without supplying a "-s" login shell, because on my previous system I had made a default at one point. Lacking a login shell, the xfce terminal didn't do shit :-)
[13:04] <Zosma> Woot yes.
[13:05] <Zosma> taub: could that be it...
[13:05] <taub> ah
[13:05] <BP{k}> taub: run this command:
[13:05] <taub> nice okay :) thought that it was something with the user
[13:05] <taub> because root worked
[13:05] <BP{k}> grep $UID /etc/passwd | awk -F: '{ print $NF }'
[13:05] <taub> thanks ! :)
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[13:06] <Zosma> BP{k}: thanks for looking it up again... also time flies when you're using Slackware.
[13:06] <macavity> taub: next time use "adduser" instead of "useradd". adduser is an interactive program that does the right thing.. especially if you read the onscreen instructions
[13:07] <Camarade_Tux> adios !
[13:07] <BP{k}> au revoir!
[13:07] <Zosma> Camarade_Tux: good luck :-)
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[13:07] <taub> k
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[13:08] <BP{k}> dammit .. he's back!
[13:08] <macavity> usermod -s /bin/bash taub
[13:08] <macavity> that should work...
[13:08] <BP{k}> I'd rather wait to see what the output of that command is.
[13:08] <Camarade_Tux> hehe, quick format ! :p
[13:09] <macavity> *however* i think it is buggy behaviour if Terminal doesnt just pick the default shell instead
[13:09] <Camarade_Tux> actually I really fear what is going to happen =
[13:09] <Camarade_Tux>  =/
[13:10] <taub> yay mac, worked
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[13:11] <taub> BP{k}, i got a lot of /bin/false
[13:11] <taub> or dunno, what did you want to see haha
[13:12] <BP{k}> hmm working under root are wel?
[13:12] <BP{k}> s/wel/we/
[13:12] <Camarade_Tux> well, really formatting now
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[13:14] <rworkman> Yes, that *is* a Terminal bug.
[13:15] <macavity> it does not seem to be documented anywhere.. so i gather that the default shell is the first one listed in /etc/shells?
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[13:18] <macavity> and i should gunzip my manpages... man -K on gzipped manpages is nothing short of slow as cold molases
[13:19] <macavity> btw, manpages should be bz2'ed if anything... better ratio on text, and faster compression/decompression
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[13:21] <mbhayes> why bz2 a man page?
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[13:21] <mbhayes> whats wrong with gz?
[13:21] <mbhayes> You aren't going to get much of a change in compression from gz to bz2 for a man page...
[13:21] <mbhayes> if you wanna be anal.. use lzma
[13:21] <macavity> or even better, lzo
[13:21] <stybla> :D
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[13:22] <mbhayes> wanna see something funny:
[13:22] <mbhayes> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  3037 2009-02-20 13:21 ldapmodify.1.gz
[13:22] <mbhayes> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  3112 2009-02-20 13:21 ldapmodify.1.bz2
[13:22] <macavity> but problem is solved... i just gunzipped the lot of them
[13:22] <mbhayes> so in reality.. bz2 adds more overhead
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[13:23] <macavity> i generally find bz2 faster on uncompression than gz
[13:23] <feindbild> hello :)
[13:23] <macavity> and that was, naturally, what my rant was about
[13:23] <macavity> hello feindbild
[13:23] <mbhayes> er.. ok
[13:23] <feindbild> macavity: plus there is bzip2smp which scales almost linear on SMP machines ^^
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[13:24] <macavity> nice.. but since i dont want to hack the man source code to support it, just gunzipping the lot of them does equally well
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[13:32] <feindbild> ok ... here come some sendmail questions ^^: outgoing mail always contains the local domain as sender. I don't wan't to route connections to my public domain name locally, so I don't want to set it in /etc/hosts
[13:32] <feindbild> how can I set the domain name? define(`confDOMAIN_NAME', `example.com')dnl doesn't seem to work :(
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[13:34] <rworkman> macavity: it's documented *somewhere* that the default shell is /bin/sh if one is not specified in /etc/passwd, but I can't find that somewhere.  I wanted to file a bug at xfce :/
[13:37] <macavity> rworkman: if it is not configurable what the default shell is, my money is on that it is mandated by POSIX
[13:38] <macavity> rworkman: furthermore, if you want a usable, however a little vague, "documentation" of the problem, usermod(8) has some text on it in -s explanation
[13:40] <rworkman> macavity: yes, bingo -- it was the usermod(8) bit I wanted.
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[13:41] <gitgotts> 500 Swedish to the one who catches the real name and whereabouts of this guy: -> "jewse jax off into the crowd" plus some unnamed evils he uttered about anythings
[13:43] <macavity> freenode does not allow nicks with spaces in them?
[13:44] <thrice`> I hope not - the horror :>
[13:44] <macavity> nick "with space"
[13:44] Nick change: macavity -> with
[13:44] <alienBOB> Haha
[13:44] <with> nope
[13:44] Nick change: with -> macavity
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[13:45] <macavity> gitgotts: nick/chan/time/hostmark?
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[13:49] <rworkman> macavity: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4970
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[13:51] <gitgotts> macavity: L.seen #Fedora. For a work well done i will adjust accordingly
[13:52] <macavity> rworkman: slam dunk :-)
[13:52] <amro> gitgotts: what do you intend to do once you have his whereabouts?
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[13:53] <macavity> amro: send him a nastygram :P
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[13:55] <macavity> gitgotts: i need a hostmark, since the user is not on freenode right now
[13:55] <macavity> gitgotts: the exit message should suffice
[13:55] <amro> the hostmask can already track him down to a relatively small area
[13:56] <macavity> not always
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[13:57] <macavity> like mine... that will only get you as far as "denmark" :P
[13:57] <amro> indeed, my hostmask for instance would send you to the wrong continent entirely
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[13:57] <Unknown33881> Hey there, does slackware 12.2 come with kde4?
[13:57] <macavity> Unknown33881: KDE4 is in the /testing dir on the DVD
[13:57] <Unknown33881> ah ok
[13:57] <macavity> Unknown33881: dont forget to actually read the README
[13:58] <pprkut> macavity: I don't think so
[13:58] <macavity> pprkut: ?
[13:58] <Unknown33881> its not there, but im reading the readme anyhow
[13:59] <macavity> ah, hang on
[13:59] <pprkut> macavity: kde4 is not on the dvd, is what I meant :)
[13:59] <Unknown33881> ^
[13:59] <thrice`>  /testing isn't on the dvd :>
[14:00] <BP{k}> in very short. No. 12.2 does *not* come with KDE$.
[14:00] <Unknown33881> aha, thanks
[14:00] <BP{k}> KDE4*
[14:00] <pprkut> BP{k}: haha KDE$.... me wants KD¬!
[14:01] <BP{k}> pprkut: ppft, who wants that monopoly money ;) KDE£ FTW!!
[14:02] <macavity> lulz... the README.TXT in the /testing dir kinda says it all :P
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[14:02] <BP{k}> Unknown33881: However you can find packs for KDE4.2 on a mirror that has slackware-current. *AT* the moment those packs will work fine on Slackware-12.2
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[14:02] <pprkut> lol
[14:03] <macavity> ouch... that gotta hurt
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[14:03] <bhodgins> you need to install all of the current libraries too dont you?
[14:03] <bhodgins> for kde4
[14:03] <bhodgins> well, some of them at least
[14:03] <thrice`> nah, nothing has really changed in -current
[14:04] <thrice`> you will need to install the additional deps for kde4, but not upgrade completely to -current
[14:04] <bhodgins> I read in a document that kde 4 wont work with the stable libs
[14:04] <bhodgins> cool.
[14:04] <thrice`> it didn't before 12.2 was released, but will now
[14:04] <bhodgins> oh that makes sense
[14:04] <bhodgins> 12.2 is pretty damn new
[14:05] <bhodgins> sometimes google is so retarded
[14:05] <BP{k}> All that you need to run KDE-4.2 on Slackware-12.2 is contained in this beautiful epistel; called "http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/testing/packages/kde4/README"
[14:05] <bhodgins> how hard can it be to find out technical specifcations of the jfs filesystem so I can possibly write a driver? wait- I could take the current jfs modules...
[14:05] <Unknown33881> (07:59) · Unknown33881 · its not there, but im reading the readme anyhow
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[14:07] <hiptobecubic> ping -b!
[14:08] <hiptobecubic> anyone?
[14:08] <BP{k}> ICMP_ECHO_REPLY!
[14:08] <hiptobecubic> fabulous
[14:08] <bhodgins> maybe I should just find out how to use grub.
[14:08] <hiptobecubic> i'm a grub fan
[14:08] <bhodgins> well I know how to use it..
[14:08] <stybla> and i'm a grub hater.
[14:08] <hiptobecubic> is ananke around? or any other puported bioinformatics kiddies?
[14:08] <bhodgins> if I compiled a c function void main() and tried to run it from grub though?
[14:09] <bhodgins> it would save the hassle of a filesystem driver
[14:09] <stybla> isn't it what's initrd supposed to be for?
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[14:10] <hiptobecubic> ugh
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[14:11] <eviljames> hiptobecubic: Well, maybe if you'd stop trolling from mibbit things would be fine! :P
[14:12] <eviljames> Next we'll have to ban dreamhost!
[14:12] <fuzzbawl> hey all
[14:12] <hiptobecubic> eviljames, hah right
[14:13] <hiptobecubic> i had to ssh to my webhost and use whatever this thing is just to get on here.
[14:13] <hiptobecubic> ircII or something. it's completely void of features
[14:14] <hiptobecubic> no tab completion
[14:14] <hiptobecubic> oh screw it. i have to go to class anyway
[14:14] <hiptobecubic> have a lovely day
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[14:14] <bhodgins> and no stybla
[14:15] <bhodgins> this isnt a linux kernel
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[14:15] <fuzzbawl> somehow i get the feeling that by "have a lovely day" he really means "hope your house burns down"
[14:15] <eviljames> fuzzbawl: The vast majority of the time people tell me to have a lovely dday, that's precisely what they mean.
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[14:17] <dive> I say, good evening and all that
[14:18] <bhodgins> ok, I got a question...
[14:19] <tank-man> lovely day
[14:19] <bhodgins> can I use jfs to format a filesystem into a file, how would I ensure that it was only so and so a size?
[14:19] <fuzzbawl> create the file to so and so size.... ?
[14:20] <bhodgins> In terms of formatting a file, only I only want it to be like say, 100 megs
[14:20] <bhodgins> basicly creating a virtual partition.
[14:21] <bhodgins> instead of using logical partitions
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[14:21] <stitchman> is mkisofs what you are looking for?
[14:21] <bhodgins> hmm...
[14:22] <bhodgins> I don't believe so. I was just thinking of an easy way to dump a mkfs.jfs into a file to play with from bochs
[14:23] <bhodgins> something tells me that technicly it can be done
[14:23] <SpacePlod> bhodgins: create a file (dd), associate with loop, and format?
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[14:24] <bhodgins> hmm. sort of like, dd of=test bs=1000000000000 ?
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[14:25] <dive> I don't think that would work
[14:25] <bhodgins> well, if=/dev/urandom or something
[14:25] <SpacePlod> dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=100 of=test
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[14:25] <bhodgins> ooh!
[14:25] <dive> any file on a filesystem follows the underlying format
[14:25] <bhodgins> I forgot about /dev/zero
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[14:26] <dive> and I'm not sure if you could format a file mkfs
[14:26] <bhodgins> hmm. well technicly you format a file with /dev/hda
[14:26] <bhodgins> or anything
[14:26] <dive> since they usually want an unmounted partition
[14:26] <SpacePlod> dive: no.   If you associate the resulting file ("test") with /dev/loop, you can format /dev/loop
[14:26] <bhodgins> ohh..
[14:26] <dive> ah
[14:26] <bhodgins> why the hell would you format /dev/loop?
[14:26] <dive> worth a try then
[14:27] <SpacePlod> bhodgins: b/c /dev/loop is associated with your 100M file.  You then create the f/s on your file.
[14:27] <bhodgins> haha
[14:28] <bhodgins> hmm... how would that work?
[14:28] <bhodgins> or rather, how do you associate it
[14:30] <SpacePlod> just try it.  create the file with dd (call it "test.img", then "losetup /dev/loop0 test.img", then mkfs.jfs /dev/loop0.  Now the file test.img contains a jfs file system and can be loop mounted, have files read and written, etc.
[14:30] <bhodgins> ooh..
[14:30] <SpacePlod> lots of people use this method to have encrypted file systesm.
[14:30] <SpacePlod> *systems
[14:31] <tank-man> is the losetup command needed? can you not use mount with loop option?
[14:32] <tank-man> i mean can you also do that
[14:32] <SpacePlod> tank-man: you can't mount it until it's been formated.  So you need losetup the first time.
[14:32] <SpacePlod> it's a chicken and egg problem...
[14:32] <tank-man> i see
[14:33] <SpacePlod> READ THIS: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Loopback-Encrypted-Filesystem-HOWTO.html
[14:33] <SpacePlod> The summary section at that link is exactly what I'm talking about.
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[14:35] <bhodgins> oh cool
[14:36] <bhodgins> I noticed the entire file except for the very end is blank, lol..
[14:36] <bhodgins> odd
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[15:00] <Kaapa> BP{k}: hey, do you use bitlbee with yahoo?
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[15:03] <jmoncayo> hey guys how can i change the charset of my system?
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[15:09] <BP{k}> Kaapa: hmm not really. I don't think I even have a yahoo account.
[15:09] <DralaFi> Is there a slackware based 64 bit liveCD with g++ installed?
[15:10] <Kaapa> BP{k}: k, thanks. Sometime it enters a stale state until I manually off/on
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[15:10] <BP{k}> Kaapa: let's just blame yahoo for that ;)
[15:12] <Kaapa> heh, that's what I'm doing
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[15:20] <alisonken1> DralaFi: not that I'm aware of - but someone else may have an idea. since you're asking about 64-bit, you may also want to ask over at #slamd64
[15:20] <jkwood> There's not one based on Slamd64 (yet.)
[15:21] <jkwood> BW64 has a livedvd, though I'm not sure what's included with that.
[15:21] <alisonken1> jkwood: ok - wasn't sure
[15:21] <DralaFi> well, technically *ANY* 64bit linux distro with full set of development packages and the GNU c++ compiler
[15:22] <DralaFi> i'm not brave enough to put slamd64 on my desktop or laptop
[15:22] <alisonken1> I've been running slamd64 on a desktop for over a year now (which reminds me, I need to update to 12.2)
[15:22] <DralaFi> but i want to try compiling something for 64bit arch and see if the damn code still works (it was never designed or written for anything other than 32bit arch)
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[15:23] <jkwood> DralaFi: I'll give it a go for you, if you'd like.
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[15:24] <DralaFi> jkwood, thanks for the offer, but the code's proprietory for work, and needs access to proprietory data :/
[15:24] <jkwood> That would tend to be an issue.
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[15:25] <DralaFi> :)
[15:27] <fred> DralaFi: you could always install it in a vm.
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[15:28] <DralaFi> i dotn have a VM
[15:28] <DralaFi> i might have qemu but i think if I have it, it'd very slow.
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[15:29] <DralaFi> (nice to see people from OFTC in here :)  )
[15:29] <fred> DralaFi: what's in the flags line in /proc/cpuinfo?
[15:30] <DralaFi> fred, too long :P
[15:30] <fred> pastebin.
[15:30] <DralaFi> nah. one line :)  flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow pni cx16 lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8legacy 3dnowprefetch ts fid vid ttp tm stc 100mhzsteps
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[15:30] <fred> does it contain 'vmx', or 'svm' ?
[15:30] <fred> okay
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[15:30] <fred> use virtualbox, and performance should be fine
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[15:31] <DralaFi> isnt that some weird proprietory Apple software?
[15:31] <DralaFi> or MS?
[15:31] <fred> no :p
[15:31] <DralaFi> or am i thinking of a similarly named product
[15:31] <fred> paritally open-source, and sun
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[15:31] <fred> MS Virtual PC ?
[15:31] <dk> I was thinking about virtualbox just now
[15:31] <DralaFi> ah yes probably i was thinking of that one :P
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[15:32] <DralaFi> do you suggest slamd64 or bluewhite64?
[15:32] <jkwood> We're very partial to Slamd64.
[15:32] <BP{k}> slamd64
[15:32] <DralaFi> hehe
[15:33] <dk> I installed virtualbox here on slackware, but when I tried to create a 'partition' inside of it, it would give me an error
[15:33] <jkwood> But fred and I might not be the most impartial people to ask.
[15:33] <fred> DralaFi: I say slamd64 ¬_¬
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[15:34] <DralaFi> fred, hehe
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[15:34] Action: BP{k} hides the buhkit.
[15:34] Action: fred steals the buhkit
[15:34] <DralaFi> fred, does mplayer + codecs work with 64 bit slackware? flash?
[15:34] Action: thrice` steals buhkit
[15:34] <BP{k}> NOO IS MAH BUHKIT!
[15:34] <thrice`> DralaFi: yes, yes, and yes
[15:34] <jkwood> DralaFi: http://builds.slamd64.com
[15:34] <fred> DralaFi: http://builds.slamd64.com
[15:34] <fred> jkwood: JINX
[15:34] <jkwood> fred: GET OUT OF MAH HEAD
[15:35] <fred> HIVE MIND
[15:35] <BP{k}> BUHKIT MIND!
[15:35] <fred> BP{k}: damnit, now I'm hungry
[15:35] <DralaFi> what about compiz?
[15:35] Action: fred thinks of kethry's buhkit :(
[15:35] <fred> yup
[15:35] <DralaFi> and kde4? is that in slamd64?
[15:35] <fred> kde 4.1 is in -current
[15:35] <fred> kde 4.2 will be shortly ¬_¬
[15:35] <DralaFi> what about 4.2?
[15:35] <jkwood> DralaFi: Name something in Slackware, it's in Slamd64.
[15:35] <DralaFi> ooh
[15:35] <fred> well...
[15:35] <fred> I kinda accidentally rm -rfed my chroot with the built kde 4.2 packages ¬_¬
[15:35] <jkwood> For the most part.
[15:35] <DralaFi> jkwood, i dont have kde4 in slackware :P
[15:36] <BP{k}> fred: yea,h that was a bad call. Now I want a buhkit too.
[15:36] <phunkedelik> fred: ouch
[15:36] Action: BP{k} prods kethry
[15:36] <fred> well, it was intentional, I just forgot that they were in there :p
[15:36] <DralaFi> well i have it, only as i compiled from svn
[15:36] <dk> why would one install slam64 instead of slackware?
[15:36] <DralaFi> fred, what *doesn't* work in slamd64 then?
[15:36] <phunkedelik> maybe they think they will get more speed
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[15:36] <DralaFi> dk, if you have 64bit hardware
[15:36] <fred> drivers that are full of 32-bit assembly
[15:36] <phunkedelik> i have 64 bit hardware
[15:36] <fred> DralaFi: that in itself isn't a good reason :p
[15:36] <phunkedelik> i still run 32
[15:36] <phunkedelik> for now
[15:36] <thrice`> there is a performance gain
[15:36] <jkwood> dk: In most cases, It's for 4gb+ of memory.
[15:37] <fred> DralaFi: if someone actually has a use for more than 4GB of RAM (PAE really sucks), or does lots of maths with large numbers
[15:37] <phunkedelik> flash was terrible in 64 bit when i had my hardware
[15:37] <jkwood> I'm just a glutton for punishment.
[15:37] <fred> s/dralafi/dk/
[15:37] <fred> phunkedelik: using nspluginwrapper is no longer neccessary :p
[15:37] <fred> there's now a native plugin.
[15:37] <BP{k}> jkwood: I believe the term "masochist" would be more appropriate ;)
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[15:37] <DralaFi> i can take 16GB of RAM... and had 4 slots... you cant find 4GB DDR2 sticks.. WTF...
[15:37] <phunkedelik> ah
[15:37] <dk> jkwood: I know. I have 4gb of ram here too. but I find 32bit more stable
[15:37] <phunkedelik> yah it ws a real pain
[15:37] <phunkedelik> so i used 32
[15:37] <phunkedelik> it just wasnt worth the switch over yet
[15:37] <jkwood> phunkedelik: Flash is 1000% better in 64-bit now.
[15:37] <DralaFi> fred, is it good at watching porn?
[15:38] <DralaFi> s/at/for/
[15:38] <thrice`> yes, twice as good
[15:38] <fred> in short: unless you do a lot of multimedia transcoding, there's not much benefit IMO for desktop users
[15:38] <phunkedelik> probably... i tried it over 8 months ago
[15:38] <fred> oh, you actually do get general performance improvement too
[15:38] <BP{k}> fred: so if kethry makes buhkit again, you want advanced warning? ;)
[15:38] <jkwood> dk: 64-bit is as stable as 32-bit at this point.
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[15:38] <fred> mostly due to indirect addressing, not the changed bitsize.
[15:38] <phunkedelik> i might make the switch in the coming month
[15:38] <pi31415> happy Friday
[15:38] <phunkedelik> or months
[15:38] <DralaFi> pi31415, ?
[15:38] <fred> DralaFi: especially if it's x264 encoded :)
[15:39] <DralaFi> fred, yeah i think i have some x264 encoded porn
[15:39] <pi31415> DralaFi: it is Friday, which is preferable to it being Monday
[15:39] <DralaFi> pi31415, heh good point
[15:39] <eviljames> pi31415: you forgot some digits at the end of your nick.
[15:39] <phunkedelik> heh
[15:39] <DralaFi> happy Friday to you too pi31415
[15:39] <fsc{k}> 31415 != pi
[15:39] <phunkedelik> have you guys seen how the distribute pron using seadragon?
[15:39] <phunkedelik> its pretty epic
[15:40] <pi31415> only pi = pi
[15:42] <DralaFi> and slamd64 has 64bit kde and qt 3.x is 64bit?
[15:42] <dk> I've encountered one problem when using slackware. flash10 does not seem to work properly, and flash9 does not want to access my mic/webcam
[15:42] <jkwood> DralaFi: That's the idea.
[15:42] <pi31415> dk: i use whatever flash they have on slackbuilds.org
[15:43] <fred> DralaFi: yep.
[15:43] <DralaFi> jkwood, i'm also asking in #qt as i want to do some qt3 and qt4 coding.
[15:43] <pi31415> i tried 12.2's kde yesterday and have only run into one quirk so far.  if i log out and log back in, audio stops working.
[15:43] <fred> DralaFi: iirc, there are only two sets of 32-bit stuff in slamd64:
[15:43] <fred> - the 32-bit compatability layer (32-bit glibc, xlibs, and so on)
[15:43] <fred> - bootloaders
[15:43] <fred> though, to #slamd64 if you have more questions ;)
[15:44] <BP{k}> pi31415: hmm not run into that problem with kde 3.5.10. Have you gone through the usual alsaconf && alsamixer ; alsactl store 0  steps?
[15:44] <taub> gmusicbrowser[12849]: segfault at 4 ip b74d7b88 sp bf99d9e0 error 4 in libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1200.12[b7352000+35f000]
[15:44] <taub> o_O
[15:44] <pi31415> BP{k}, i have not tried that
[15:45] <jkwood> That reminds me, I meant to port the QT4 from SBo yesterday.
[15:45] <phunkedelik> lol i have 7 LQ posts and i already have a thanks
[15:45] <phunkedelik> amidoin it rite?
[15:45] <thrice`> BP{k}: psh, you're maybe the last one still on kde3 :>
[15:46] <pi31415> if god meant us to run kde4, it'd be installed by default
[15:47] <BP{k}> thrice`: it's good to be different ;)
[15:47] <phunkedelik> :p
[15:47] <phunkedelik> pi31415: fluxbox for me
[15:47] <DralaFi> thrice`, i'm on kde3
[15:47] <phunkedelik> anyone else flux users?
[15:47] <DralaFi> i so want to run kde4.2 though
[15:47] <pi31415> phunkadelik: i got a thanks on my second post, which was a response to my first post
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[15:47] <DralaFi> phunkedelik, i sometimes use fluxbox. it's awesome
[15:47] <phunkedelik> pi31415: lol win
[15:48] <thrice`> :)
[15:48] <phunkedelik> DralaFi: i usually get flamed by openbox users tho when i say i use it
[15:48] <DralaFi> heh
[15:48] <DralaFi> why?
[15:48] <phunkedelik> dono
[15:48] <phunkedelik> they think its waaaay better for some reason
[15:48] <thrice`> openbox > fluxbox, obviously
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[15:48] <pi31415> my low end machines run twm
[15:48] <phunkedelik> E17 is my second fave
[15:48] <DralaFi> what's the preferred software update tool in slackware? swaret or slapt-get? or something else?
[15:48] <fred> upgradepkg/slackpkg
[15:49] <phunkedelik> i used to use slackbuilds and slapt-get for random stuff
[15:49] <DralaFi> fred, no. if you dont have the packages...
[15:49] <pi31415> i think it's crazy that twm's default root menu lacks options to the window close command
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[15:49] <eviljames> DralaFi: Whichever you prefer.. upgradepkg is what I use.
[15:49] <phunkedelik> but that was back in 12.0
[15:49] <phunkedelik> :D
[15:49] <pi31415> twm has a window close command, but you have to edit .twmrc to get at it
[15:49] <fred> DralaFi: slackpkg
[15:49] <DralaFi> is that automagic/networky?
[15:49] <fred> (or, wget/rsync + upgradepkg ¬_¬ )
[15:50] <fred> not sure whaty ou mean by automagic, but it's networky.
[15:50] <DralaFi> i want something like equiv like emerge foobar
[15:50] <DralaFi> and it downloads and installs
[15:50] <DralaFi> like slapt-get
[15:50] <eviljames> DralaFi: Why?
[15:50] <fred> it's not dependency tracking
[15:50] <DralaFi> it means i dont have to sit here downloading each package etc
[15:50] <pi31415> if an irc user is polite and factual, but otherwise being a troll, do they deserve a permanent kickban without warning?
[15:50] <thrice`> that's the point of slackware O.o
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[15:51] <thrice`> (to not have such silly programs manage packages)
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[15:51] <eviljames> pi31415: I don't think so.  trolling is what the internet is all about!
[15:51] <thrice`> DralaFi: I would look at the slackbuilds.org repo, and possibly the "sbopkg" tool
[15:52] <pi31415> eviljames: that's what i thought, thanks for restoring troll confidence
[15:52] <eviljames> pi31415: Why?  You're going trolling?
[15:52] <DralaFi> thrice`, basically... i'm on an old slackware distro. it's a lot of pain to upgrade, and dont want to reinstall a new one currently.
[15:52] <DralaFi> whats the normal path to upgrade over the net for slack?
[15:52] <eviljames> DralaFi: I would use rsync & upgradepkg
[15:52] <DralaFi> (basically that's my question)
[15:52] <pi31415> eviljames: i was kickbanned on a channel the other day.. that sensitivity might have something to do with why the channel is mostly silence or questions, but short on answers
[15:53] <DralaFi> eviljames, isnt' that very heavy handed? wont that pull everything from slackware? what about only things that have updated?
[15:53] <eviljames> DralaFi: You could get a list of slackware-current/slackware/**/*tgz and compare it to /var/log/packages and download the difference..
[15:54] <thrice`> DralaFi: how old ?
[15:54] <DralaFi> thrice`, probably very old
[15:55] <DralaFi> eviljames, and how does that work if i also use SBo? or my own custom compiled software that also happens to have been added to the slackware set?
[15:55] <thrice`> DralaFi: cat /etc/slackware-version
[15:55] <eviljames> DralaFi: SBo packages are tagged with "SBo", so you could cut them from your comparative list.
[15:56] <thrice`> also, updating from $really_old to something will likely break
[15:56] <thrice`> something new*
[15:56] <DralaFi> thrice`, it's 12.0
[15:56] <DralaFi> very ancient
[15:57] <thrice`> I was thinking like 8.x or something :)
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[15:58] <DralaFi> nah, i started playing with slack with 8.1 covercd
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[16:03] <phunkedelik> lolz i just torrented monty python
[16:03] <phunkedelik> this movie is win
[16:04] <pi31415> every chmod is sacred o/~
[16:06] <eviljames> phunkedelik: Which?  Life of Brian?  Grail?
[16:06] <phunkedelik> grail
[16:06] <phunkedelik> xD
[16:06] <phunkedelik> i had never used rtorrent till yesterday
[16:06] <phunkedelik> so i just got this
[16:06] <phunkedelik> as a random trial
[16:07] <phunkedelik> i actually like it alot
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[16:07] <baldguy> rtorrent is da best...
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[16:07] <phunkedelik> mhm
[16:07] <thrice`> *the* best even!
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[16:08] <phunkedelik> heh
[16:09] <baldguy> the torrent is da best
[16:09] <baldguy> _rtorrent
[16:09] <phunkedelik> arrrrrrr torrent
[16:09] <phunkedelik> for pirates
[16:09] <phunkedelik> et it?
[16:09] <phunkedelik> get it?
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[16:09] <baldguy> no
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[16:10] <phunkedelik> oic
[16:10] <baldguy> ))
[16:11] <eviljames> yarr, I have not tried rtorrent.  Why would I bother moving from ktorrent?
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[16:13] <DralaFi> ktorrent i hear is slow
[16:13] <DralaFi> i've used ktorrent
[16:13] <DralaFi> seems slow :/
[16:13] <baldguy> rtorrent is for console... ktorrent only gui?
[16:13] <DralaFi> but that could be my ISP throttling torrents
[16:13] <DralaFi> hmm you could run rtorrent in screen then
[16:13] <DralaFi> which could be awesome
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[16:15] <phunkedelik> eviljames: ur 1337 level increases with rtorrent by 4 points
[16:15] <phunkedelik> making my total.... negative 2
[16:15] <phunkedelik> D:
[16:15] <eviljames> oOOooOOOhhh
[16:15] <baldguy> lol
[16:16] <acidchild> lol :/
[16:16] <eviljames> rtorrent is for console though.
[16:16] <acidchild> your begging for more leet points?
[16:16] <acidchild> :|
[16:16] <eviljames> This makes it appealing to me as while this is my desktop computer, I spend more time on it from work than actually sitting in front of it.
[16:16] <acidchild> -2
[16:17] <eviljames> acidchild: I already have something like one thousand threehundred thirty seven, so I don't really *need* any more..
[16:17] <eviljames> acidchild: But a couple can't hurt?
[16:17] <phunkedelik> yes it is run from terminals
[16:17] <phunkedelik> aterm for me
[16:17] <acidchild> eviljames: lol
[16:17] <acidchild> haha
[16:17] <DralaFi> is aterm the nice one with transparrancy?
[16:17] <acidchild> get to a level of acceptance :P
[16:17] <acidchild> then are there =P
[16:17] <phunkedelik> yesh
[16:18] <phunkedelik> i have true transparency working
[16:18] <DralaFi> i should install that
[16:18] <phunkedelik> pseudo just got on my nerves
[16:18] <phunkedelik> it supports both though
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[16:19] <acidchild> eviljames: how goes?
[16:19] <eviljames> acidchild: It goes.  Yourself?
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[16:28] <NyteOwl> g'day
[16:28] <phunkedelik> yo
[16:28] <NyteOwl> Hell is about to freeze over
[16:29] <phunkedelik> :|
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[16:29] <phunkedelik> k... explain
[16:29] <NyteOwl> HP are certifying Ubuntu on Proliant Servers
[16:30] <eviljames> Does this mean no more HP-UX ?
[16:30] <alife> question, if i had alias vim='if [ "1" -eq "1" ]; then vim $1; else echo "failed"; fi'    and all i could get was a syntax error on whatever was passed to $1 any idea what id be doing wrong?
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[16:31] <NyteOwl> eviljames: no it emans tha HP has tested Ubuntu on their servers an foud it works well enough for comemrical sue and hence endorses it's use on their hardware
[16:31] <alife> damnit, sorry about that retype folks,
[16:31] <NyteOwl> They do teh same for RHEL
[16:31] <NyteOwl> iirc
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[16:33] <alife> anyone have any insight for me? :)
[16:33] <eviljames> alife: I'm goign to try, j'sec :)
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[16:34] <alife> hehe awsome, i'm really confused because alias vim='vim $1' will work and let me do vim whatever
[16:34] <alife> but i get syntax errors as soon as i put in a loop
[16:35] <DralaFi> alife, works here. no errors
[16:35] <tewmten> alife: a loop in a script_
[16:35] <tewmten> ?
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[16:35] <tewmten> I got problems when doing scripts running vim because it needed a terminal to work proper
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[16:35] <alife> a one liner, in a .bashrc with ;'s  as i origionally put
[16:35] <eviljames> alife: I get syntax error in bash, and parse error in zsh
[16:35] <alife> it worked at one point, but im getting syntax errors now having tried to rewrite it from memory
[16:36] <DralaFi> wtf. it works here...
[16:36] <alife> really? you can do vim whateverfilename?
[16:37] <DralaFi> oh. it fails if i pass an arg
[16:37] <tewmten> depends on your vimrc maybe
[16:37] <tewmten> and also what options you give it
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[16:37] <eviljames> alife: I made it work by adding an extra ; after fi
[16:37] <eviljames> except
[16:37] <eviljames> it doesn't pass the "whateverfilename"
[16:37] <alife> oh?
[16:37] <alife> thats a problem :(
[16:38] <eviljames> alife: nvm
[16:38] <eviljames> It works with "whateverfilename" provided that filename exists.
[16:38] <alife> oh it works even when they don't for me!
[16:38] <alife> damnable syntax
[16:38] <alife> ^^
[16:38] <eviljames> nvm again, i was typing vi by force of habit.
[16:38] <eviljames> haha
[16:39] <alife> thanks so much eviljames, i've been racking my brain i knew i just needed a fresh look
[16:39] <alife> :D
[16:39] <eviljames> ODD.
[16:39] <eviljames> alife: This time I got permission denied on random text file...
[16:40] <alife> its working for me it seems, so im going to count myself as lucky
[16:40] <alife> :)
[16:40] <eviljames> haha good enough for me.
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[16:47] <alife> uh oh
[16:48] <alife> its only opening vim for me, not vim with the filename
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[16:49] <eviljames> alife: noticed similar, try doing "vim ls" and see what happens.
[16:49] <alife> aye, i noticed, its trying to run that as a command
[16:49] <alife> maybe i can throw in a switch
[16:49] <eviljames> I don't think it is vim trying to run the command, though...
[16:50] <alife> its not, i don't think either
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[16:52] <alife> damn
[16:52] <alife> i was so excited
[16:52] <alife> haha
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[16:54] <alife> i guess im just not allowed to use $1, thats how its gonna go :P
[16:54] <alife> <----sad
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[16:56] <eviljames> alife: I was trying for loops to go with that too.. "if [1 = 1] ; then for i in $1 do vim $i" or something of the like
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[17:05] <alife> eviljames: nothin?
[17:06] <eviljames> alife: nada.
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[17:10] <cpunches> hi
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[17:10] <cpunches> having a problem with ndiswrapper in 12.2; its telling me wlan0 is no such device.
[17:10] <phunkedelik> maybe your device isnt called that?
[17:11] <cpunches> well, even with ndiswrapper installed, and modprobed, with the proper driver it is still telling me all i have is eth0
[17:11] <phunkedelik> oh
[17:11] <cpunches> which makes very little sense
[17:11] <phunkedelik> so ur doin it wrong
[17:11] <cpunches> ...
[17:11] <phunkedelik> what is your card?
[17:11] <cpunches> wg311v3
[17:12] <tank-man> so eth0 is your wifi card you are saying?
[17:12] <dive> alife, sorry just read up a bit but missed most of the convo - if you use ' ' then $1 will not get translated to the argument $1 - you need to use " "
[17:12] <cpunches> no wlan0 should be my wifi card
[17:12] <cpunches> eth0 is a wired port
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[17:12] <cpunches> unless something changed with the naming scheme between 12.1 and 12.2
[17:12] <phunkedelik> uhm
[17:12] <dive> s/translated/expnaded/
[17:12] <alife> eviljames: dying here :P
[17:13] <phunkedelik> dont you need the madwifi drivers for that card?
[17:13] <cpunches> phunkedelik: no
[17:13] <tntslack> any one know how to make usb works under vb?
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[17:13] <phunkedelik> does your card have a light on it?
[17:13] <cpunches> no.
[17:13] <phunkedelik> or an indication of being on?
[17:13] <cpunches> no.
[17:14] <phunkedelik> when you modprobe
[17:14] <phunkedelik> if you did everything correct
[17:14] <phunkedelik> the card turns on
[17:14] <cpunches> i think ive done something wrong in inet1.conf; im not a wifi guy, im still getting used to it...brb
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[17:15] <cpunches> no; modprobe does nothing.  i know its not a hardware issue as two hours ago i had it up and running as wlan0 on a 12.1 system.
[17:16] <cpunches> i just do not have a wlan0 device to work with is all.
[17:16] <cpunches> in this new setup.
[17:16] <alienBOB> O foo... now it is cpunches again? I thought you told me your other nick was going to stay for a while... I guess your head must be full of white noise
[17:17] <cpunches> haha.  im on a different box.
[17:17] Nick change: cpunches -> dartmouth
[17:18] <alienBOB> Just kidding
[17:18] <alienBOB> Choose the nick you like
[17:18] <dartmouth> lol well i like 'alienBOB'.  can i be alienBOB? :D
[17:19] <phunkedelik> go for it
[17:19] <gar0t0> wtf is cpunches ?
[17:19] <phunkedelik> beware of ghosts though
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[17:20] <dartmouth> bob any idea what im doing wrong with this wlan0 device? im not seeing anything in the docs; it looks like the device should magically appear after you modprobe the ndiswrapper module
[17:23] <alienBOB> dartmouth: nope
[17:24] <dartmouth> it's just weird.  i was expecting to have a new interface when i probed the driver
[17:24] <alienBOB> Did you give it the Windows NDIS driver to eat first?
[17:24] <Pig_Pen> dartmouth: what wifi adapter is it?
[17:24] <dartmouth> yeah.
[17:24] <dartmouth> Pig_Pen: WG311v3
[17:24] <Pig_Pen> dartmouth: have you searched LinuxQuestions.org & googled for a solution?
[17:24] <dartmouth> im using the w2k version of the driver as per most of the howtos it is the most compatible
[17:24] <dartmouth> ya.
[17:25] <dive> I must be going mad - I just put an alias in a file, run it, do alias xxx and it says alias not found, wtf
[17:25] <dartmouth> i see people asking this same question and then in bad english answering another question that was never asked.
[17:25] <dartmouth> ...lol
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[17:25] <phunkedelik> :|
[17:25] <alienBOB> dartmouth: what does "ndiswrapper -l" show?
[17:25] <Pig_Pen> can you replace the adapter? or is it embedded permanantly in to a laptop?
[17:26] <dartmouth> brb; running downstairs to see
[17:27] <alienBOB> dartmouth: remember that running "modprobe ndiswrapper" will probably create the interface as eth1, not wlan0
[17:28] <alienBOB> Run "iwconfig" to see if there is a wireless interface present
[17:28] <phunkedelik> alienBOB: he said he only has the one interface
[17:28] <alienBOB> phunkedelik: he can say all he wants, but I Want his proof. I've known him longer than today
[17:28] <phunkedelik> ah
[17:28] <dartmouth> hrm alienBOB its telling me invalid driver and printing the filename for my driver; its not the absolute path though so i am thinking i either did not specify an absolute path and needed to, or it does not like the w2k driver (which is inconsistent with the reading).  let me try real quick.
[17:29] <bhodgins> I fried apples, eggs, and kielbasa
[17:29] <bhodgins> :D
[17:29] <bhodgins> not bad! its kina zesty
[17:29] <alienBOB> Did you read this before dartmouth: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:ndiswrapper
[17:30] <dive> alife, good one
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[17:33] <taub> why do you like compiling so much
[17:33] <dive> I would go ask #bash why it doesn't work cause I can't work it out - just seems you can't use if's in an alias
[17:33] <eviljames> taub: compiling is like sex.
[17:33] <eviljames> Except you don't feel quite as rewarded afterwards
[17:33] <alife> hey dive, sorry
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[17:33] <alife> i just tried your "" solution didn't work for me
[17:33] <dive> np I'm just wondering why
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[17:33] <taub> hah
[17:34] <alife> I have another alias directly above it with an if statment working flawlessly :)
[17:34] <dive> no it seems when you make an alias with "" and then do 'alias xxx' it prints it out as ''
[17:34] <dive> hmm strange
[17:34] <alife> its very strange
[17:35] <dive> I think in this case if you really need it to work a bash script would be better
[17:35] <[cipher]> hey dive
[17:35] <dive> but I would still go bother #bash about it
[17:35] <dive> hi [cipher]
[17:35] <dartmouth> hah.  alienBOB you know what I did?  I stored the driver in /etc/ndiswrapper and then ran loadndisdriver -i on that path.
[17:35] <alife> well the problem is that i need it to work in an extremely limited chroot enivroment
[17:35] <alife> and .bashrc is really the only/best option
[17:35] <dive> you could define it as a function
[17:36] <alife> but nonetheless ill go pester otherwares :
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[17:36] <dive> function in .bashrc
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[17:39] <k_wolf> dive: hi man :)
[17:39] <dive> hi k_wolf
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[17:41] <dive> alife, if seems to be working as a function
[17:41] <Camarade_Tux> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii !
[17:42] <alife> dive, trying right now :)
[17:42] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii !
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[17:42] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: and, no, I'm not yet, but I will be later!
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[17:42] <dive> alife, http://pastebin.ca/1343249
[17:43] <dive> Camarade_Tux, hi :-)
[17:43] <Camarade_Tux> so, running win7 ; help ='(
[17:43] <NyteOwl> loooooooooooooooooooooooo?
[17:43] <dive> lo NyteOwl
[17:44] <dive> Camarade_Tux, you got it running, that's good
[17:44] <NyteOwl> running win 7? sorry you're past help :p
[17:44] <dive> just don't tilt the machine
[17:44] <NyteOwl> or sneeze
[17:44] <Camarade_Tux> dive, I wanted to install xp/2k3 before installing win7 but it wouldn't recognize my hard drive (sata)
[17:44] Action: dartmouth crosses his fingers
[17:44] <NyteOwl> or blink
[17:44] <Camarade_Tux> btw, win7 doesn't recognize :
[17:44] <Camarade_Tux>  - my graphic card
[17:44] <Camarade_Tux>  - my ethernet card
[17:44] <dive> gah
[17:45] <Camarade_Tux>  - my wireless network card
[17:45] <NyteOwl> I had no problem with XP and SATA
[17:45] <Camarade_Tux>  - my sound card
[17:45] <NyteOwl> heh
[17:45] <DralaFi> Camarade_Tux, haha. why do you have win7??
[17:45] <Camarade_Tux> also, it can't change my screen brightness which is possible during bios's POST, grub display, kernel boot, X
[17:45] <dive> it supports his keyboard
[17:46] <Camarade_Tux> DralaFi, gcc ;)
[17:46] <dive> I always use monitor controls for that
[17:46] <Camarade_Tux> dive, actually it doesn't support my keyboard very well either :D
[17:46] <dive> lol
[17:46] <DralaFi> Camarade_Tux, you have win7 for gcc? that doesnt make sense...
[17:47] <Camarade_Tux> and I have a laptop so I have to use Fn+F5/6 and it usually works but not now
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[17:47] <Camarade_Tux> DralaFi, mingw-w64
[17:47] <dive> god well I seem to remember the rush to get drivers working for xp so I'm guessing it's the same for w7
[17:47] <DralaFi> ahh
[17:48] <Camarade_Tux> dive, the vista ones work, you have to get them though
[17:48] <dive> er yeah I meant vista
[17:48] <dive> well it's been the same for most wins from about 3.2 onwards
[17:48] <[cipher]> dive, i'm wondering about something in slackware
[17:48] <dive> 3.1*
[17:49] <[cipher]> when i wrote users in shell, i got 4 users !!!
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[17:49] <[cipher]> such as: $users
[17:49] <[cipher]> cipher cipher cipher cipher
[17:49] <Camarade_Tux> right now I'm gonna integrate mass storage drivers into a 2k3 disc so I can install it, it has been quite hard : I couldn't download .exe files !
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[17:49] <dive> yeah it looks at logings
[17:49] <dive> logins
[17:49] <[cipher]> how come!
[17:49] <[cipher]> it should be one
[17:50] <alife> ugh thats not working for me from the .bashrc dive
[17:50] <dive> depends what you have running, how many consoles you are logged into etc
[17:50] <alife> broke into a one liner
[17:50] <dive> did you copy my function I pasted?
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[17:51] <alife> can't copy and paste unfortunately
[17:51] <dive> btw after putting that funtion in I ran 'bash' to get a new login shell
[17:51] <alife> ah
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[17:53] <dive> you need either do that or logout and back in
[17:54] <alife> so it needs the shell needs to be restarted after the function?
[17:54] <dive> well you couls source bashrc again
[17:54] <dive> could*
[17:54] <dive> . .bashrc might work
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[17:55] <dive> yep that works too
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[17:55] <dive> I tend to run 'bash' though just to be really sure of what is going to happen next time I log in
[17:56] <alife> ah, so im a bit confused sorry ^^ you have the function in your .bashrc, then from there you what?
[17:57] <dive> type either 'bash' to get a new login shell in console, or type '. .bashrc' to source the file
[17:57] <alife> oh, as in, you put that in then got a new shell to test it?
[17:57] <dive> either way it should read the function
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[17:57] <dive> well 'bash' will give you new shell, '. .bashrc' will just read .bashrc
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[17:59] <dive> '.' is the same as typing 'source'
[18:00] <dive> but yeah 'bash' will give you a new shell
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[18:03] <pirving> hey does anybody know of a good way to record audio from flash streams?
[18:04] <pirving> a web based converter to mp3 perhaps?
[18:05] <tank-man> goto your browser's cache and get the flv file and use mplayer with dumpaudio option
[18:05] <alienBOB> If you can record the flash stream, ffmpeg would be able to extract the audio and convert it to mp3
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[18:10] <tank-man> another way is use sox and lame and play the flash stream in your browser and capture audioout->audioin
[18:11] <tank-man> but that will be recording in realtime
[18:13] <dive> [cipher], if you run 'ps aux | grep <username> | grep bash' it will show you what you have running
[18:13] <[cipher]> aha, thanks dive
[18:13] <dive> or if you run 'ps aux | grep <username> | grep sh' even
[18:14] <eviljames> Or if you run lsof | grep <username>
[18:14] <[cipher]> k, will do
[18:14] <eviljames> But don't do what I just said, it'll show you all sorts of stuff.  make your head explode.
[18:15] <eviljames> [cipher]: alternatively "who" might provide more detailed info
[18:15] <eviljames> Or, rather, just detailed enough
[18:15] <tank-man> doesnt ps have an option to show process for a certain user, no need for grep
[18:15] <dive> i spect :)
[18:15] <[cipher]> yeah, got it ^^
[18:15] <[cipher]> btw guys
[18:16] <eviljames> tank-man: -U
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[18:16] <[cipher]> i'm planning to install joomla in my machine, which requires me to setup apache web server :S
[18:16] <[cipher]> so any help about setting an apache in 12.2
[18:16] <[cipher]> :S
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[18:17] <eviljames> [cipher]: What sort of help?
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[18:18] <dive> you mean config?
[18:18] <[cipher]> yep the configuration part :S
[18:18] <[cipher]> of apache
[18:18] <dive> read through the config file first, there are loads of comments
[18:19] <[cipher]> where? /etc/?
[18:19] <dive> /etc/httpd/httpd.conf
[18:19] <[cipher]> k, i will
[18:19] <[cipher]> thanks dive ^^
[18:19] <dive> np
[18:19] <alienBOB> [cipher]: don't you think this will be over your head? Did you in fact do any research before asking? It _will_ pay off
[18:20] <[cipher]> alienBOB, to many things, which mean to many grepping :S
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[18:20] <[cipher]> i got a short time to done that :S
[18:21] <[cipher]> that's the point, but i just found the starting point
[18:21] <[cipher]> i was reading the slackware book 2.0
[18:21] <alienBOB> Slackware's apache will run out of the box (chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.httpd) but I think there are some things you want to change from the defaults
[18:22] <[cipher]> aha, i see
[18:23] <alienBOB> Like, you need to enable PHP support in apache. And, you will have to configure and enable MySQL
[18:23] <[cipher]> alienBOB, what about PostgreSQL
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[18:24] <alienBOB> [cipher]: joomla lists mysql as a requirement, not postgresql
[18:25] <[cipher]> i know, but i was just asking
[18:25] <gar0t0> alienBOB: Hi Eric
[18:25] <gar0t0> :)
[18:25] <[cipher]> cuz i guess PostgreSQL will be the best after Suns brought mysql
[18:26] <[cipher]> i read that the manager of mysql quited
[18:26] <[cipher]> cuz Sun was focus in commercial things, instead of stability and so on
[18:27] <eviljames> [cipher]: Something like that.  Shame on Sun for wanting a return on their investment!
[18:27] <eviljames> [cipher]: To me, he sounds like a real cry-ass.  "My group was bought by a major multi-national for a billion dollars, now I'm going to have a temper tantrum"
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[18:27] <alienBOB> gar0t0 hi! has the weekend started for you?
[18:27] <[cipher]> i read they want to released a new version without making sure that it's quit stable
[18:27] <eviljames> [cipher]: But, I certainly don't know the whole story.
[18:28] <dive> time will tell
[18:28] <[cipher]> yep, time will tell
[18:28] <gar0t0> alienBOB: yes! \o/
[18:28] <dive> ok weekend is here lads - party starts now!
[18:28] <eviljames> It seems so out of character for Sun to release something unstable..
[18:29] <[cipher]> k, just a min
[18:29] <dive> that reminds i've got opensol on a vbox to check out
[18:29] <[cipher]> will google the link for u
[18:29] <gar0t0> alienBOB: is Carnaval in Brazil, every ppl  back to work only in thursday
[18:30] <alienBOB> Yes, carnaval started here as well tonight
[18:30] <dive> gar0t0, I saw that on the news - looks fun
[18:30] <alienBOB> But, I have to be at work on monday again...
[18:31] <alienBOB> Only in my city of birth (Maastricht) do people get days off until wednesday
[18:31] <pirving> how do I scroll up in the conversation in irssi?
[18:31] <kamaji> page up/down
[18:31] <eviljames> pirving: PGUp
[18:31] <dive> and news from Bewbush - they are dmpolishing the local pub and leisure centre for flats or something
[18:31] <dive> no carnival in Britain
[18:31] <eviljames> dive: Horrible!
[18:31] <dive> yeah
[18:32] <[cipher]> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_(Monty)_Widenius
[18:32] <gar0t0> I work in monday, and wednesday after 2pm
[18:32] <gar0t0> dive: carnaval sux
[18:32] <gar0t0> :~
[18:33] <[cipher]> http://www.pythian.com/blogs/1211/monty-widenius-one-of-mysqls-founding-fathers-leaves-sunmysql
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[18:34] <[cipher]> eviljames, this one from slashdot
[18:34] <[cipher]> http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/05/2024257
[18:34] <eviljames> [cipher]: Yeah, I heard rumblings of the same, I just think that he should probably have stuck around and worked to remedy the situation
[18:35] <eviljames> [cipher]: Not that I particularly blame him for taking the money and running either.. :D
[18:35] <[cipher]> lol
[18:35] <[cipher]> Suns is sucks i guess
[18:35] <[cipher]> they just kicked about 6,000 employer for internal reasons
[18:36] <eviljames> [cipher]: I'm of the opposite opinion, myself.
[18:36] <[cipher]> you are running opensolaris :P
[18:36] <[cipher]> :D
[18:36] <[cipher]> gotcha
[18:36] <[cipher]> just kidding
[18:37] <eviljames> [cipher]: haha, I'm actually working on starting the vancouver opensolaris user group
[18:37] <eviljames> [cipher]: So I think it's safe to say I am a supporter :)
[18:37] <[cipher]> did you heard about Toshiba+opensolaris :)
[18:38] <eviljames> [cipher]: Yeah, that's a touch of old news.  But good news nonetheless.
[18:38] Action: eviljames has wandered offtopic... again...
[18:38] <dive> I think even if mySql starts falling apart
[18:38] <dive> a new db foss product wil come along
[18:38] <eviljames> Sun has very strong support for PostgreSQL, too mind you.
[18:38] Action: eviljames <3 pgsql
[18:39] <[cipher]> pgsql baby
[18:39] <[cipher]> the next generation of db
[18:39] <[cipher]> no doubt about it
[18:39] <eviljames> [cipher]: Version, eh?  this will show you irssi on linux.  Desktop vs. serv you know
[18:39] <[cipher]> i know eviljames, it was a scam :D
[18:39] <eviljames> haha
[18:40] <[cipher]> scam for kicking you out of this room, betrayer
[18:40] <[cipher]> :D
[18:40] <eviljames> Not only that, it's on slamd64 no less!
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[18:40] <eviljames> hahaha
[18:41] <alienBOB> You wish
[18:41] <dive> lol
[18:41] Action: [cipher] [cipher] kicked opensolaris's eviljames aSS 
[18:41] Action: dive sets +o dive
[18:41] <[cipher]> haha
[18:41] <dive> :>
[18:41] <[cipher]> just kidding, no need to panic eviljames :D
[18:41] <[cipher]> :P
[18:41] <eviljames> huh?
[18:41] Action: eviljames wakes up
[18:41] <eviljames> was I panicking?
[18:41] <[cipher]> lol
[18:42] <[cipher]> no, but you was about to :P
[18:43] <[cipher]> anyway eviljames, i need to read the conf files to get apache runs in my stupid machine
[18:43] <[cipher]> so no offense at all dude
[18:43] <[cipher]> just normal chatting
[18:43] <[cipher]> :)
[18:43] <eviljames> heh
[18:43] <eviljames> I've got thick skin, you can tell me to shut my festering gob and I won't take offense.
[18:44] <[cipher]> we all are slacker :D
[18:44] <dive> i did this once:
[18:44] Action: dive sets +b *!*cipher@41.252.14.25
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[18:44] <dive> and he paniced
[18:44] <dive> left came back in
[18:44] <[cipher]> :S
[18:44] <dive> lol
[18:45] <[cipher]> i'm back, Terminator
[18:45] <[cipher]> haha
[18:45] <[cipher]> but folks
[18:45] <[cipher]> i tried many distros before
[18:45] <[cipher]> but Slackware Rockssss
[18:45] <eviljames> [cipher]: And none were as good as the mighty slackware?
[18:45] <eviljames> ahh, good to hear
[18:46] <[cipher]> pure linux
[18:46] <eviljames> pure awesome
[18:46] <[cipher]> pretty neat
[18:46] <[cipher]> i kicked the other distros for life
[18:46] <[cipher]> Slackware baby, here i come
[18:46] <[cipher]> haha
[18:47] <eviljames> [cipher]: I find that I tell my friends to get their penguin feet wet with arch or ubuntu or gentoo, or one of the other easy linuxes
[18:47] <eviljames> [cipher]: Then, once they're semi familiar, to move to slack
[18:47] <[cipher]> i even don't know how to setup apache on slackware, but it's awesome
[18:47] <[cipher]> i can feel it
[18:47] <eviljames> [cipher]: It's not terribly hard once you get used to the conventions.
[18:47] <dive> I found most stuff just works out the box
[18:47] <hitest> yeah
[18:48] <eviljames> [cipher]: for apache, you edit /etc/httpd/httpd.conf to your liking
[18:48] <eviljames> [cipher]: Then, find the start up script (/etc/rc.d/rc.httpd) and make it +x
[18:48] <dive> I've had to jump through hoops with some distros
[18:48] <eviljames> [cipher]: Then run it, rc.httpd start
[18:48] <[cipher]> ^^ yeah
[18:48] <[cipher]> got it
[18:48] <eviljames> [cipher]: For the most part, that procedure will work with nearly any service you want to provide.
[18:48] <[cipher]> but pgsql, seems hard alot bit, is't it?
[18:49] <eviljames> It is slightly more complicated than apache
[18:49] <eviljames> And by slightly I really mean significantly.
[18:49] <[cipher]> hard to setup
[18:49] <[cipher]> i see
[18:49] <eviljames> [cipher]: If you aren't worried about tainting your system, I'd try to install from source first
[18:49] <eviljames> ie: not using a slackbuild or wahtever
[18:49] <[cipher]> ./configure...etc
[18:49] <eviljames> yeah, that crap.
[18:50] <[cipher]> but i'm sure need to enable and disable some stuff from the configuring point, is't it?
[18:50] <eviljames> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/static/install-short.html
[18:50] <eviljames> [cipher]: the first step that lists, change it to ./configure --help
[18:50] <eviljames> [cipher]: Then, change the options you want to change, anything you don't get leave as default.
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[18:51] <eviljames> Read *all* of chapter 15 there, not just the short version :D
[18:51] <[cipher]> i see
[18:51] <[cipher]> lol
[18:51] <[cipher]> same with mysql, is't it?
[18:51] <eviljames> Pretty well similar, yeah.
[18:51] <eviljames> In that there are a few pre- and post- install setup procedures to go through to get it working correctly.
[18:51] <eviljames> But, once you've set it up once or twice you won't break a sweat the third time :D
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[18:52] <alienBOB> For joomla you will need mysql regardless. In order to properly set it up, read the instructions inside /etc/rc.d/rc.mysql [cipher]
[18:52] <[cipher]> lol, i see
[18:52] <[cipher]> i will alienBOB
[18:52] <cpunches> should I be avoiding dropline-gnome until it comes out with a version specifically marked for slack 12.2? i see a 12.1 and a 12.0 version but no 12.2
[18:52] <[cipher]> big thanks to all of you
[18:53] <eviljames> [cipher]: good luck
[18:53] <eviljames> cpunches: Personally, I'd avoid gnome altogether! :)
[18:53] <cpunches> lol
[18:53] Action: eviljames is using gnome @ work right now.  arrggghghhh!@#!@##!
[18:56] <DeeeP> u used slacky gnome project
[18:56] <DeeeP> it was fine
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[18:58] <|kevlinux|> fwiw, i've had good luck with GSB.
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[18:59] <slk> what kernel did slack 3.4 have ?
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[19:00] <dive> Old_Fogie, o/
[19:00] <hackedhead> o/
[19:00] <alienBOB> Ihay erethay oldway_ogiefay
[19:00] <eviljames> slk: 2.0.30
[19:00] <thrice`> SM177Y: 2.0.30, it seemss
[19:00] <Old_Fogie> hidee ho!
[19:00] <Old_Fogie> alienBOB, hahah:)
[19:00] <eviljames> thrice`: tab-completefailure..
[19:00] <thrice`> hm, indeed
[19:01] <SM177Y> hey guys my keyboard likes to do a lot of beeping in a terminal when pressing certain keys (anything not a letter) that is quite annoying. any way of disabling this?
[19:01] <cpunches> lol
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[19:01] <dive> stop pressing keys
[19:01] <dive> SM177Y, which terminal?
[19:01] <SM177Y> dive: any
[19:01] <cpunches> "you're doin' it wrong"
[19:02] <thrice`> is the pcspkr module loaded?
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[19:02] <dive> well I think konsole and terminal have settings for turning off audible bell
[19:02] <kevlinux> rmmod pcspkr
[19:02] <dive> yeah that works
[19:02] <dive> blacklist it afterwards
[19:02] <Old_Fogie> I was thinking pcspkr, but the "(any anything not a letter)" makes me scratch my head
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[19:03] <dive> lol
[19:03] <alienBOB> SM177Y: in bash you use "set bell-style none"
[19:03] <SM177Y> kk
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[19:03] <SM177Y> set bell-style none doesnt do anything lol
[19:03] <Old_Fogie> could his keyboard in kcontrol be messed up, I mean, hitting let's say a "number key" and what not, that shouldn't trigger the bell.
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[19:04] <npad|home> I lost my .config from the source tree how do I recover it? I havent changed the kernel since 12.1
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[19:04] <npad|home> or maybe my 12.1 didnt come with a .config
[19:04] <eviljames> npad|home: /boot/config ?
[19:04] <alienBOB> zcat /proc/config
[19:04] <thumbs> zcat /proc/config
[19:04] <thumbs> mah. bob beat me to it.
[19:04] <npad|home> so 'cp /proc/config /usr/src/.config' right?
[19:05] <thumbs> no
[19:05] <dive> zcta
[19:05] <thumbs> listen to alienBOB and I.
[19:05] <dive> gah
[19:05] <alienBOB> It is "zcat /proc/config.gz" actually
[19:05] <dive> zcat it
[19:05] <cpunches> alienBOB: do you have a writeup on ip_forwarding (& iptables?)  I am hoping I can use my wired interface to provide the wifi connection this box has to another machine....?  I guess there is good chance this can't be done?
[19:05] <npad|home> thanks
[19:06] <alienBOB> cpunches: you can setup a NAT firewall
[19:06] <alienBOB> Try http://www.slackware.com/~alien/efg/ for a fast rc.firewall generator
[19:06] <cpunches> im already there...was just making sure that was what i was looking for before i dived into it
[19:07] <alienBOB> cpunches: the other machine will have to be configured to use that wireless box as the default gateway
[19:08] <cpunches> ok
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[19:17] <npad|home> one of the modules I tried to mount was complaining it couldnt find the symbols . will this resolve once I do a 'make' to compile the kernel and the symbol tree created?
[19:18] <eviljames> npad|home: Might want to do make modules && make modules_install
[19:18] <npad|home> ok
[19:19] <npad|home> i'll do that after make is complete
[19:19] <cpunches> alienBOB: just for translation on efg, the internal network interface in my case is the wired connection right?
[19:19] <eviljames> iirc make does make modules
[19:19] <eviljames> So you might just want make modules_install
[19:19] <dive> it does in later kernels but I forget which version it came in at
[19:20] <alienBOB> cpunches: internal == wired (in your case)
[19:20] <cpunches> kk
[19:20] <cpunches> this is a neat tool
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[19:20] <alienBOB> It's not mine cpunches. I just modified it so that the generated script works with Slackware
[19:21] <alienBOB> But it inspired me to write an automated SlackBuild generator ;-)
[19:21] <cpunches> is this suggesting that I have the other machine on a different subnet with the wired interface are they?
[19:21] <cpunches> lol hah.
[19:21] <alienBOB> Of course they need separate subnets
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[19:22] <alienBOB> You will have to create a separate LAN behind that dual-homed box
[19:22] <cpunches> ohhh
[19:23] <npad|home> make modules_install will put them into /usr/modules?
[19:24] <dive> /lib/modules/...
[19:24] <Old_Fogie> '/lib/modules'
[19:24] <npad|home> this goes back to build/<kernel ver>
[19:24] <npad|home> right /lib/modules
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[19:25] <Old_Fogie> npad|home, in case you need http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding
[19:27] <cpunches> i was under the impression that make modules_install executed make modules anyway; and that anything that would halt make modules_install would stop the whole process
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[19:29] <eviljames> cpunches: I think it does that in the case where all the modules aren't already built.
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[19:29] <npad|home> other question, how do I make 'su' run without asking me for its password
[19:29] <npad|home> in gentoo I got it to do that, but tried to do it in slack w no luck
[19:29] <eviljames> npad|home: You don't.
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[19:29] <npad|home> wheel account
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[19:29] <Old_Fogie> cpunches, from "README" If you configured any of the parts of the kernel as `modules', you will also have to do "make modules_install".
[19:30] <cpunches> eh.  language barrier.
[19:30] <cpunches> brb
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[19:30] <nullboy> cpunches: didn't you school me about make modules and make modules_install in a public manner before?
[19:30] <tntslack> guys how to make usb work under vb?
[19:30] <nullboy> you'd think you'd know it by now....
[19:30] <npad|home> in /etc/sudoers it has a line where I dont need to enter the password (prompt) but it doesnt seem to affect anything
[19:31] <eviljames> you could put nopasswd
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[19:31] <eviljames> but I would strongly, strongly, strongly recommend against it.
[19:31] <npad|home> i dont really care, its my home pc nothing important there homebrew
[19:33] <dive> npad|home, if you add yourself in sudoers as no passwd, then just alias 'su' to 'sudo su'
[19:33] <dive> su with no pass
[19:33] <npad|home> ok great
[19:34] <dive> i.e. dive    ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
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[19:39] <tntslack> need some help!!! how make usb works under virtualbox?
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[19:41] <alienBOB> tntslack: I think the OSE version does not have USB support
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[19:42] <cpunches> http://www.pastebin.ca/1343320  <-- ???
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[19:43] <tntslack> alienBOB xmm are you sure about that?
[19:44] <tntslack> ma be need some groupadd usbfs?
[19:44] <tntslack> or?
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[19:47] <nullboy> cpunches: so strace it and see what else there is to see
[19:47] <npad|home> how do I see the size of the kernel in memory?
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[19:49] <alienBOB> tntslack: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions search for usb
[19:51] <tntslack> alienBOB that is mean on linux can't work ?
[19:51] <tntslack> only on close source
[19:52] <ph|ber> what up
[19:52] <nullboy> tntslack: ... "The following list shows the enterprise features that are only present in the closed-source edition. "
[19:52] <alienBOB> tntslack: no it does not mean that
[19:53] <jkwood> tntslack: rworkman and mbhayes both use the closed-source one on Linux.
[19:53] <alienBOB> It means you have to use their closed-source version of virtualbox
[19:53] <tntslack> i get it, okay thanks guys :)
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[19:57] <XGizzmo_> jkwood: guess that means we will have to hunt them down and kill'em. :)
[19:59] <jkwood> XGizzmo_: Probably. :)
[19:59] <jkwood> alienBOB: Have you seen http://linuxsysconfig.com/2009/02/rip-linux/ ?
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[20:06] <nullboy> all this crap that does the same crap as older crap
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[20:10] <NyteOwl> didn't the slack store used to have coffee mugs?
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[20:18] <Old_Fogie> Anyone tried ati-driver-installer-9.2-x86.x86_64.run on r300 or r350 on stock Slack 12.2 kernel yet? Does it work ?  I cant test for a few hours (or more) just wondering.
[20:19] <Old_Fogie> And despite the release notes saying that they're supported, they haven't been for 4 months :(
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[20:20] <twolf> I am sticking with 8-12 for now, as it works well, but I don't have either of those cards
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[20:21] <macavity> Old_Fogie: have faith my freind.. the light that is known as gallium is being hammered into supporting all features of r3xx with much vigilance (and skill)
[20:21] <Old_Fogie> twolf, yeah those cards are the only ati's I got, and so they are now Win XP not Slack :(
[20:21] <Old_Fogie> ...anymore
[20:22] <nullboy> macavity: you like ath5k that doesn't do AP mode yeah
[20:22] <Old_Fogie> twolf, ATI just seems to have dropped supporting them, and not changed the release notes
[20:22] <twolf> Old_Fogie: that sucks
[20:22] <macavity> nullboy: or rather, HostAP driver that does not support the official wifi stack [yet]
[20:22] <nullboy> my slackware AP project is dead because madwifi has massive bugs too
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[20:23] <nullboy> stuck becon bullshit
[20:23] <Old_Fogie> twolf, you're telling me.  and Slack 12.1 ati free driver is black screen on logout of xdm, gdm, or kdm or slim.  I've upgraded the xorg free driver for ati on Slack 12.1 , it's barely useable tho.  Flies in XP tho :(
[20:23] <nullboy> none has solid answers either
[20:23] <nullboy> no one*
[20:24] <macavity> nullboy: who maintains HostAP?
[20:24] <Old_Fogie> twolf, and since I had to upgrade the kernel on 12.1 (cve's) breaks ATI binary blobs that once had worked there. it's a mess.
[20:24] <nullboy> i'm using all the latest code and i've even tried trunk code
[20:24] <twolf> hopefully they will get something working soon
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[20:25] <Old_Fogie> yeah
[20:25] <macavity> nullboy: if you are really luckey, a "i can haz mac80211 hostap if i help debug, yes?"
[20:25] <nullboy> wasn't ati supposed to deliver some 'OMG ponies' driver too?
[20:26] <macavity> ATI/AMD ever only promissed the docs for the chips... which they have delivered
[20:26] <Old_Fogie> nullboy, we hear that every release.  that's why I just went XP on them boxes, and freenx/nomachine to Slack.  I'm just sick of the carrott stick dangled for next month releases for the past 3 years I been on g/lin
[20:27] <macavity> but seriously, the new driver framework in mesa is nothing short of amazing.. the nouveau driver folks has made more progress with it in the last few months than they have since the beginning of the project
[20:27] <Old_Fogie> macavity, off the top of your head, do you know when that will be 'stable release'?
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[20:27] <macavity> Old_Fogie: mesa 7.6
[20:28] Action: Camarade_Tux read suspend, 3D accel and PM were coming to nouveau :) 
[20:28] <Old_Fogie> well nouvu is nvidia isn't it
[20:28] <Old_Fogie> ?
[20:28] <Old_Fogie> nouveau
[20:28] <macavity> yes
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[20:28] <Old_Fogie> won't help my ATI's tho
[20:29] <Old_Fogie> ?
[20:29] Action: Old_Fogie can't type sorry
[20:29] <macavity> 7.4 is next stable bugfixes of 7.3, due in two months (iirc), 7.5 will be out the door as soon as the baseline gallium API is fixed
[20:29] <macavity> and r2xx are supposedly already work as far as Quake3 et al
[20:29] <macavity> s/are//
[20:30] <Old_Fogie> ah ok. so maybe two Slack releases from now would probably be a sunday morning quarterback's prediction then.
[20:30] <macavity> r3xx is what they seems to be banging their heads against right now on the ml
[20:30] <macavity> oh, i dont plan on Patrick for the things i care about
[20:30] <macavity> its all the stuff i *dont* care about that Patrick handles :P
[20:31] <macavity> eg, the crap that just has to work.. like toolchains and whatnot
[20:31] <Old_Fogie> yeah the's r3xx aren't even that old really.  I mean the 9700's still outperfrom stuff you see in shelves now for AGP.  the 9600xt is only 4 years old.  not really that old.
[20:31] <macavity> ive been on my own xorg and mesa packages for ages
[20:31] <macavity> r3xx is not all that different from r2xx
[20:32] <Old_Fogie> yes kde, and the xap stuff to rebuild if need be, Mr. V makes it _very_ easy for us to do so in the event that you needed too.
[20:32] <macavity> it has some more advanced shader/vertex/specular lighting stuff.. but fortunately that's the fluffy stuff that gallium is designed to be a bliss to implement
[20:32] <Old_Fogie> macavity, 'not that diff' , I know, I don't understand why it's such a mess for them cards.
[20:33] <macavity> Old_Fogie: because with the old model you pretty much had to re-write the entire opengl stack *per driver*
[20:33] <Old_Fogie> macavity, plus.. ATI *gave* radeon 9700's to the gatos project to get the tuner working, and dvr to work, and for all intensive measure, gatos just took the cards, and did nothing with it :(
[20:33] <macavity> gatos?
[20:34] <Old_Fogie> was a project to get the tv/tuner/dvr funcionality to work on ATI All In Wonder series video cards to work on free systems
[20:34] <macavity> oh
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[20:36] <Old_Fogie> http://gatos.sourceforge.net/supported_cards.php --> [last modified by Vladimir Dergachev 2:19am Monday, August 08th 2005] "We have received documentation for this card and sample hardware (thanks to ATI !), work is underway. At this moment we cannot promise a specific timeframe for availability of working drivers or list specific feature that will be supported. "
[20:36] <Old_Fogie> over 3 years, docs! *and* hardware given to them, and nothing done.
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[20:38] <macavity> i dont know about all that, but i think that if you are willing to run git of drm, mesa and xf86-video-ati, then you can count on getting a working and reasonably fast and stable composite/render/damage/GL[X] environment if you build the upcomming X11R7.5
[20:38] <macavity> and looking over the packages, you only need one package more than the slackware buildscript uses... so it should be pretty simple to make a "Pat V-alike" package set
[20:39] <Old_Fogie> Sadly, I don't have the luxury of doing that on them boxes, they need to be used for work purposes, can't dev on them :(
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[20:39] <macavity> is the X800 an r3xx based chip?
[20:40] <macavity> i have access to an r280
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[20:40] <macavity> .. and i intend to give it a spin as soon as i have my few intel issues ironed out with the devs
[20:40] <Old_Fogie> I don't know what chipset it is
[20:41] Action: macavity looks it up
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[20:41] <macavity> wow.. wikipedia seems to be out to lunch?!?
[20:42] <thumbs> macavity: yes, I noticed that too
[20:42] <Old_Fogie> *cough* probably the ubunut servers
[20:42] <Old_Fogie> :D
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[20:42] <thumbs> they run ubuntu?
[20:42] <Old_Fogie> yeah
[20:43] <macavity> ok, from the google headline i can tell r300 was launced in August 2002
[20:43] <andarius> greetings and salutations all
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[20:43] <Old_Fogie> andarius, hello
[20:43] <thumbs> Old_Fogie: yuck.
[20:43] <andarius> salutations Old_Fogie, how goes?
[20:43] <macavity> ok, X800 is r420 :-/
[20:44] <Old_Fogie> andarius, in this economy, 'another day, another non-dollar".  nah kidding good thanks n you.
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[20:44] <Old_Fogie> macavity, ok.  many of the later cards seem to be 'hd' chips for the all in wonders I see.
[20:44] <andarius> i am doing well i suppose. aside from having to replace gear all is in running order :)
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[20:45] <macavity> well.. if i cant get hold of an r3xx card, its going to be hard for me to debug the driver
[20:45] <macavity> btw, gdb is the nicest thing since sliced bread :P
[20:45] <Old_Fogie> yea true
[20:46] <NyteOwl> hi andarius
[20:46] <Old_Fogie> macavity, hey I don't know what you use to 'track your changes' for builds, but I just built, and been running 'rdiff-backup', man it's an awesome way to backup/diff a buildsystem I find.
[20:46] <macavity> external debugging files, renamed binaries with gdb'ed scripts in their place, and a *shitload* of logs... thats how to catch the perp in the act! :P
[20:46] <andarius> salutations NyteOwl, how goes for you ?
[20:47] <Old_Fogie> macavity, since I have a "build-old-fogie-repo.sh" script that builds _all_ my changes, and add on's for slack, I've been battle testing it this week, man it really works.
[20:47] <NyteOwl> andarius: it goes. tired of winter and aches heh
[20:47] Action: NyteOwl getting old
[20:48] <Old_Fogie> macavity, I really never did debugging, a few times, but nothing 'intense' ya know.  But it's on the list to learn :)
[20:48] <andarius> NyteOwl: move south, way south
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[20:48] <Old_Fogie> macavity, what about valgrind? have you used that? or no.
[20:48] <macavity> nope.. i just iron out bugs
[20:49] <macavity> the black art of optimizing 3D drivers is way beyond me :P
[20:49] <Old_Fogie> when I read a guide at fedora on valgrind, they make it out to be like 'mannah from heaven' and all that program.
[20:50] <macavity> i just use here documents in the script to make gdb run a backtrace, show the offending line of code in the source, and dump the core
[20:50] <Old_Fogie> NyteOwl, yes I too am getting tired of winter this year.  I'm done with it.
[20:50] <nullboy> if i could dump a few thousand dollars into ath5k to make it happen in a month i would
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[20:51] <NyteOwl> andarius: too hot :) It's not the cold I mind - it's all the emss this winter. a little snow I don't mind but this year is has been snow, then rain then freeze then melt then repeat.
[20:51] <Old_Fogie> nullboy, which kernel btw?  I have no luck with ath5k on 2.6.28, only 2.6.27 kernels.
[20:51] <Old_Fogie> macavity, ah ok.
[20:52] <nullboy> Old_Fogie: ath5k works on on 2.6.28 for me but not for AP mode
[20:52] <andarius> NyteOwl: still sounds like you need a location change. for weather if nothing else ;)
[20:52] <nullboy> works fine*
[20:52] <Old_Fogie> nullboy, interesting.  I can't get a connection for 2.6.28.4 (or is it .5) .  I've yet to test 6, or 7 yet.
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[20:53] <Old_Fogie> <=2.6.28.4 == no connections.  >2.6.28.4 untested yet
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[20:54] <macavity> utterly strange.. on the GFs machine .27 did the trick with ath5k
[20:54] <macavity> not even .27.x
[20:54] <Old_Fogie> macavity, .27 is what I have to use on ath5k as well.
[20:54] <nullboy> but i'm not talking about client mode
[20:54] <nullboy> client mode works fine for me
[20:54] <nullboy> i need AP mode
[20:54] <Old_Fogie> macavity, any .27.X works for me, building 19 right now.
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[20:54] <macavity> .27.19?!?
[20:55] <macavity> ah, someone fancied that one as an enterprise kernel i suspect
[20:55] <NyteOwl> andarius: buy me a 50' ketch and I'll sail to the caribbean for a month or two :)
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[20:55] <Old_Fogie> macavity, yup
[20:55] <snewp> hi, just installed slackware 12.1, i already installed nvidia driver but i only get 1024x768 max display .. i have a widescreen 1440x900 .. any ideas ?
[20:56] <nullboy> snewp: did you configure it for 1440x900?
[20:56] <Old_Fogie> macavity, which is good for me, since I have 10 netbooks that need wireless, and intel works well enought on there.  wish I could get the sound card features in 28 for 27, but oh well.
[20:56] <snewp> nullboy, i did before i installed nvidia driver .. lemme double check
[20:56] <NyteOwl> andarious: I'd like to try running a fourm again. any suggestions for a focus?
[20:56] <andarius> NyteOwl: if i could buy you one do you honestly think i would be here now?
[20:56] <Old_Fogie> bbiab
[20:57] <snewp> nullboy, yep it is there in xorg.conf
[20:57] <NyteOwl> andarius: lol, you never know. we had a porsche 911 driving millionair in there the otehr evening <snicker> />
[20:57] <dk> snewp: try xorgconfig
[20:57] <nullboy> paste us your xorg file
[20:57] <andarius> NyteOwl: no idea. i lack knowledge of what the public likes to see :|
[20:58] <dk> snewp: actually, try xorgsetup
[20:58] <dk> it worked for me automagically
[20:58] <snewp> ok .. lemme reboot
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[20:59] <macavity> NyteOwl++ :P
[20:59] <NyteOwl> bbiab
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[21:04] <macavity> Old_Fogie: from WP "On March 14, 2008, AMD released the 3D Register Reference for R3xx."
[21:06] <macavity> Old_Fogie: so, the timeframe taken into consideration, plus the move to a brand new driver infrastructure, i think its pretty decent that the gallium-r3xx driver already compiles and [most the time] does quake3
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[21:07] <snewp> nullboy, here is my xorg.conf .. http://pastebin.ca/1343380
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[21:08] <phrag> hey guys
[21:08] <nullboy> snewp: you have 1440x900 set for the 32bit mode and no default mode set
[21:08] <twolf> hey phrag
[21:08] <snewp> nullboy, should i add that too on the default set ?
[21:08] <nullboy> snewp: set a default mode line for 24 bit
[21:09] <nullboy> snewp: after line 321 add a line with: DefaultDepth 24
[21:09] <nullboy> and create a section for 24 bit
[21:09] <nullboy> well it's there, i mean add 1440x900 to the 24 bit mode section
[21:10] <snewp> ok we'll try that
[21:11] <nullboy> hey wait
[21:11] <nullboy> snewp: i misread it
[21:11] <nullboy> just add 1440x900 to the 24 bit section
[21:11] <nullboy> then it will work
[21:11] <snewp> ok got it
[21:11] <snewp> thanks
[21:11] <snewp> will try
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[21:16] <snewp> nullboy, it's working now. thanks
[21:16] <nullboy> np
[21:16] <snewp> btw, how do i enable compiz? is it not enabled by default ?
[21:16] <nullboy> you need to add a config section in xorg.conf for composite
[21:19] <snewp> ic will try to google that one
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[21:25] <nullboy> well done mate
[21:25] <phrag> =)
[21:25] <nullboy> o/
[21:25] <phrag> hows it going nullboy =)
[21:25] <nullboy> pretty good! how about you?
[21:26] <phrag> aye it's going =P
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[21:26] <phrag> nachox! 8o)
[21:26] <nachox> hi mate!
[21:27] <nachox> i came to update the security notices before going to sleep but i can see you did already :)
[21:27] <phrag> =)
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[21:29] <spook> jkwood: <3
[21:30] <nullboy> macavity: i'm being told that hostapd and the stable kernel support AP mode in ath5k so i might have to eat my shoe later after i test it again
[21:30] <XGizzmo_> is it me or does libpng get allot of CVE's
[21:30] <Old_Fogie> macavity, re: register reference.  yeah, I just hope to see a usable ati of some kind mainstream ya know, let's hope.
[21:31] <Old_Fogie> XGizzmo_, it's you I just searched their site, there's 10 vulnerabilities in libXgizz-0.1alpha_3
[21:31] <spook> hahaha
[21:32] <XGizzmo_> haha
[21:32] <Old_Fogie> XGizzmo_, actually you are right, they have alot of them.  I've been menaing to upgrade my boxes here since it's not getting issued out by slack proper.
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[21:37] <rworkman> phrag: haven't seen you around in a while...
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[21:38] <NyteOwl> I has returned heh
[21:38] <phrag> hey rworkman =)
[21:38] <phrag> yeah been busy with uni and job hunting =P
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[21:38] <phrag> how about yourself?
[21:39] <nachox> job hunting? what happened with big blue?
[21:39] <rworkman> Same old same old around here, for the most part.  Any luck with the job hunt yet?
[21:39] <Pig_Pen> nighty night good people, sleepy time for me, have a good weekend! :D
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[21:39] <macavity> damn.. the numbers of idiots on mailing lists is staggering
[21:40] <gnubien> macavity: ppl like mail, even spam will do :)
[21:40] <ananke> i was just browsing through opensuse's blog, and saw that advert for linux engineer jobs in virginia
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[21:42] <ananke> crappy time to look for a job
[21:42] <nachox> you're planning to leave vt ananke? :)
[21:42] <thumbs> ananke: indeed
[21:43] <thumbs> keep your job if you have one left.
[21:43] <NyteOwl> Virginia isn't too bad an area
[21:43] <ananke> nachox : no, i'm tacking onto phrag's thread
[21:43] <danc3> ananke: you're in Vermont?
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[21:43] <nachox> ohh, i think he is on the other side of the ocean..
[21:44] <ananke> danc3 : nope.
[21:44] <danc3> oh.  saw the "vt" and thought that's what it was...
[21:44] <ananke> danc3 : in this case it vt.edu
[21:44] <danc3> ok
[21:45] <ananke> yeah, the general consensus around here is the same: if you got a job, stick to it.
[21:45] <nachox> ananke, i invested 38 dollars to buy 2gb of ram for my laptop and i'm happily running opensolaris, :)
[21:45] Action: thumbs agrees
[21:46] <ananke> nachox : nice :) i spent some time last week upgrading ram on some servers, and cursed sun hardware :)
[21:46] <nachox> haha
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[21:46] <nachox> sparc stuff is not cheap, it lasts a lot longer though
[21:47] <ananke> seriously. i had 4 sunfire v20z boxes, each with 2GB of ram [in 512MB sticks]. we bought additional 2GB for each [so total of 16 sticks, 512MB each]. we could not get a working setup
[21:47] <nachox> and the economic downturn can only increase outsourcing of grunt work to third world countries, which... sucks actually :P
[21:47] <macavity> good night hackers
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[21:48] <alisonken1home> I would still be interested in finding out how they plan on updating hardware from overseas workers :)
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[21:48] Action: andarius looks around for these so called hackers :o
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[21:50] <nachox> alisonken1home, you need very few people to upgrade hardware,
[21:51] <nachox> ananke, migrating to a t2000 would have been less expensive than the ram alone :)
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[21:53] <NyteOwl> a t2000 server would only be a dream (for personal use)
[21:53] <ananke> nachox : few hundred bucks for upgraded memory, versus buying new server/servers?
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[21:54] <nachox> i think that server is 4k
[21:54] <ananke> From $9,195. (US)
[21:54] <ananke> of course, that's a sticker price, but still
[21:55] <nachox> i'm sure sun would happily accept those older servers and offer a much heavier discount
[21:56] <ananke> and something that cost us a few hundred bucks, and a few hours of work - instead would cost us a few thousand dollars, and days of migrating/preparation
[21:56] <nachox> specially if you let them publish something about how great a job the t2000 does for vt :P
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[21:57] <ananke> which would add only extra time, which we don't have
[21:58] <ananke> this isn't one of those cases, where replacing existing hardware makes financial sense :)
[21:58] <nachox> hehe, you're only seeing the empty half of the glass!
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[22:03] <godling> nachox: If you remove the empty bit of the glass, you can grind it up, dump it into the remaining fluid, and offer it to the pessimist to drink.
[22:03] <godling> two birds
[22:04] <nachox> ananke, have you played with apple's directory server?
[22:04] <ananke> nachox : nope, but a couple of my sysadmins have. they hated it
[22:04] <nachox> really? why? what's wrong with it?
[22:04] <ananke> they worked with it about a year ago, but even then supposedly it was an ill designed and unstable POS
[22:05] <ananke> worse yet, when they had issues with it, they couldn't get anybody to fix it
[22:05] <ananke> welcome to enterprise. ohh, hold on. apple doesn't qualify
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[22:05] <nachox> hehe, too bad, unix needs something like AD and there is nothing like it but that...
[22:07] <ananke> ick. this t2000 looks like x4200 chasis. god, i hate that design
[22:08] <ananke> whoever decided it was a good idea to have a power button that requires a special tool, should be shot
[22:08] <nachox> it all depends in your racks imho
[22:08] <ananke> special tool = anything with a very sharp point
[22:08] <ananke> nothing to do with racks.
[22:08] <nachox> ahh, that too... yes...
[22:09] <ananke> you got a retarded power button, houses only 2.5" drives, trayless cd/dvd drive
[22:09] <nooper> you can power down from the OS right?
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[22:09] <nachox> yes
[22:09] <ananke> nooper : yes. try powering up from that state
[22:09] <nachox> i like those trayless dvd drives
[22:10] <thrice`> in theory, it'll never need powering off :)
[22:10] <nooper> heh
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[22:10] <ananke> thrice` : right. and in practice it's the most annoying thing you'll ever encounter, because you will be in a situation when you really need to press the power button, and you can't
[22:11] <ananke> then you spend the next 5 minutes searching for a paper clip
[22:11] <nachox> on sparc hardware with ilom, you only need to login to the console to do it, you can even do it remotely
[22:11] <ananke> nachox : excuses
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[22:11] <ananke> it doesn't change the ill design
[22:12] <nachox> i agree it is a bad design, dont get me wrong
[22:12] <ananke> it's like the torx security screws on ibm x330 drive trays. wtf were they thinking
[22:12] <Old_Fogie> I have a bad reset button on my tower like that, really small and recessed
[22:13] <Old_Fogie> pita
[22:13] <nachox> Old_Fogie, i think it's the trend these days, small impossible to press buttons,
[22:13] <NyteOwl> eminds me I have to fix a reset button
[22:13] <Old_Fogie> ananke, torx bit screws? hahah, is that so the server can be driven around the facility :)
[22:14] <ananke> nachox : none of the dell servers i've ever seen have such a small power button
[22:14] <NyteOwl> nachox: yes and it's viral - it's even spread to cell phone keypads :)
[22:14] <nachox> they assume that you'll press them accidentaly :P
[22:14] <ananke> Old_Fogie : not just torx, but _security_ torx
[22:14] <Old_Fogie> yikes
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[22:14] <NyteOwl> ouch
[22:14] <NyteOwl> Philips and HP used to se those on their CDwriters
[22:14] <Old_Fogie> NyteOwl, oh don't get me started on cell phones.  Oh I miss the cell phones like they had in Miami Vice.
[22:14] <ananke> Old_Fogie : yeah. and i have 100 machines like that, each with two drive trays
[22:14] <nachox> ananke, all the towers i bought this last year had really small buttons...
[22:15] <Old_Fogie> ananke, are they at least the same size?
[22:15] <Old_Fogie> or diff sizes?
[22:15] <NyteOwl> Old_Fogie: I think I'll enshrine my mmicroTAC
[22:15] <ananke> nachox : none of the dell towers we have bought have such impossible buttons
[22:15] <ananke> Old_Fogie : same size
[22:15] <Old_Fogie> ah ok, thought maybe you needed a $10,000 Craftsman toolbox to open the floppy
[22:16] <nachox> ananke, no, i have to agree none of those i bought required a screwdriver to press like sun's do...
[22:16] <Old_Fogie> be like the auto industry, special tool for everything
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[22:16] <ananke> it would be one thing if you could use a tip of a pen/pencil to turn that power button on x4200 chasis, but no - you need something sharper/longer, like a paper clip
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[22:17] <straterra> a cdrom eject tool is good for that
[22:17] <straterra> i carry one on my keychain
[22:18] <godling> straterra: he already said paperclip. ;)
[22:18] <nachox> you shouldnt need that...
[22:18] <Old_Fogie> straterra, yes but yours is for pleasure tho :)
[22:18] <ananke> straterra : i don't. in fact, i don't carry any tools on me. i don't own a fanny pack either
[22:18] <andarius> why not? they are awesome !! :o
[22:19] <straterra> its not a tool really
[22:19] <Old_Fogie> heh, the tourist look :)
[22:19] <QWonder> can someone help me reinstall lilo?
[22:19] <nachox> Old_Fogie, that is... wrong mate, i wont be able to look at a clip for months without picturing straterra with it not using it as it is supposed to
[22:19] <straterra> its a 2 inch long peice of thin metal
[22:19] <Old_Fogie> nachox, hahahah! :)
[22:19] <straterra> nachox, in the urethra
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[22:20] <nachox> thanks mate, exactly what i needed
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[22:20] <jkwood> Mating with a paperclip in your urethra is probably a Bad Idea (tm).
[22:21] <ananke> speaking of servers, i actually bought a used HP server last week, the first hp server we have
[22:21] <andarius> for some mating in general is a bad idea ;)
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[22:21] <NyteOwl> anake: HP recently certified Ubuntu for their Proliants
[22:21] <NyteOwl> :)
[22:21] <godling> gods help us
[22:21] <Old_Fogie> NyteOwl, "Works with U" :)
[22:22] <nachox> ananke, i like their workstations, i never used an hp server that isnt like 12 years old, how is yours?
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[22:22] <ananke> nachox : not sure. it's DL585 G1. it's the only server i could find that was: a) 64 bit ready, b) had more than 4 PCIX slots
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[22:24] <ananke> it's quite odd, having to spend $2k on a used server, to house hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of cards in it
[22:25] <andarius> what kind of cards cost hundreds of thousands of dollars :|
[22:26] <Old_Fogie> ram cards?
[22:26] <ananke> do you want to know the type of cards, or their actual name?
[22:26] <andarius> why not both
[22:26] <Old_Fogie> lspci or it doesnt exist :)
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[22:26] <ananke> they're fpga cards, with algorithms for blast/hidden markov model searches
[22:26] <nachox> new servers just use pci-e... or XAUI
[22:27] <ananke> these are made by timelogic, decypher g1 cards
[22:27] <ananke> original sticker price for each was $250K
[22:27] <nachox> ouch
[22:27] <hitest> whoa
[22:27] <godling> what on earth
[22:27] <godling> how could someone sleep at night charging that much?
[22:27] <ananke> yeah. we have 6 of these.
[22:27] <Old_Fogie> ananke, so in English :D what do they do?
[22:28] <nachox> godling, ask ibm or hp, they sell mainframes
[22:28] <andarius> http://www.timelogic.com/decypher_intro.html <-- ?
[22:28] <Old_Fogie> ah thanks
[22:28] <ananke> Old_Fogie : does 'sequence alignment' or 'gene modelling' mean anything to you? :)
[22:29] <ananke> andarius : yes
[22:29] <Old_Fogie> wow all that for gnome :)
[22:29] <nachox> ...
[22:29] <andarius> well it is a heavy DE :P
[22:30] <NyteOwl> Old_Fogie: lol
[22:30] <Old_Fogie> I know people said gnome was bloated, but a 250k$ card to run gnome is tuff :)
[22:30] <ananke> k, you folks know about DNA, right? do you know what sequencing dna means?
[22:30] <andarius> perhaps gnome is what the G1 stands for
[22:31] <Old_Fogie> not for anything, but... prices like that, no wonder r&d, medicines, health care costs are just nuts
[22:31] <godling> ananke: I think I heard about that on an episode of CSI: Miami. :P
[22:31] <hitest> ananke: yes
[22:31] <nachox> are you sure you're not violating any NDA telling us more? :)
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[22:31] <godling> who cares?
[22:32] <godling> NDAs be damned!
[22:32] <hitest> ananke: so your computer does genetic computer modeling.  Cool
[22:32] <godling> I bet it can't make toast over the internet.
[22:32] <Old_Fogie> hitest, yes and the beauty is... schools, and drug companies dont share the data.  isn't that splendid :)
[22:33] <hitest> :-)
[22:33] <ananke> k. think of it this way: a given organism has strands of DNA. researchers get that DNA data by 'sequencing' it, and they receive strings of ACTG letters representing that DNA.
[22:33] <kitche> ugh another bank closed just now
[22:33] <godling> Oh wow, I thought ananke couldn't me any more condescending.
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[22:34] <ananke> chunks of DNA are called sequences. often those sequences are responsible for various things. researchers analyze and annotate those sequences, and submit their results into central government databases, such as ones housed at NIH.gov
[22:34] <andarius> i bet it cant make me waffles over the net either... how depressing :(
[22:35] <hitest> ananke:  Yeah I understand.  I think it is amazing that a computer can decipher genetics.
[22:35] <cpunches> kitche: which one?
[22:35] <kitche> cpunches: some bank out in Oregon called Silver Fall or something like that
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[22:35] <ananke> now, here's the fun part: say you're working with a new organism, and you get a DNA sequence you'd like to work on. one of the most common tasks you can do is compare that sequence to a database of well know sequences
[22:35] <kitche> I did not hear of it at work but on the news when I got home
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[22:36] <Old_Fogie> dna in gov't databases... /me puts on the tin foil hat with x-ray-retardant sun glasses
[22:36] <hitest> lol
[22:36] <Old_Fogie> I feel safe
[22:36] <nachox> rworkman, did you enjoy your linux talk?
[22:36] <ananke> here's where sequence alignment comes into play. on the simplest of computing terms, it's grepping for a small set of ACTG letters in a much larger set
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[22:37] <andarius> that is all about as exciting as reading a book on DOS :(
[22:37] <pirving> ok, the jury has a verdict.  I ran firefox through wine for like 48 hours and it's menu's and the frame rate of flash video's suck, back to linux ver of firefox
[22:37] <ananke> so that's what these cards do: they search your small string against databases of those strings
[22:37] <aceofspades19> pirving: why would you run firefox in wine?
[22:37] <Old_Fogie> pirving, let me guess.  you read that blog that said FF in wine was faster than native linux ?
[22:37] <andarius> lol
[22:37] <NyteOwl> probably for better flash support
[22:38] <straterra> flash works fine as long as z index doesnt come in to effect
[22:38] <Old_Fogie> there was a blog about it earlier in the week on fedora about it /me opens liferea
[22:38] <aceofspades19> Old_Fogie: damn you and your gnome
[22:38] <ananke> so, $250K for a fancy grep :)
[22:38] <aceofspades19> :p
[22:38] <nachox> ananke, sounds like something boyer-moore or KMP would be great at...
[22:39] <Old_Fogie> aceofspades19, it 'just works' :)
[22:39] <nachox> (efficient string searching algoritms for those that do not know)
[22:39] <Old_Fogie> this one http://www.tuxradar.com/content/browser-benchmarks-2-even-wine-beats-linux-firefox
[22:39] <aceofspades19> Old_Fogie: so you use apple products now?
[22:39] <ananke> nachox : except this is all about very fuzzy searches
[22:39] <Old_Fogie> aceofspades19, me of course not, I look horrible in turtle necks
[22:40] <Old_Fogie> :)
[22:40] <aceofspades19> lol
[22:40] <hitest> Heh
[22:40] <Old_Fogie> and I have an ugly scalp for a 'baldy' to go with the turtle neck
[22:40] <nachox> ananke, ohh, so they search using something more along the lines of a regexp than a literal string?
[22:41] <Old_Fogie> nachox, I was told (by a friend) it's kind of a 'signature' if you will.
[22:42] <Old_Fogie> ananke, outside of calculations for genome, do the cards do any other stuff? or are they "purposed" and that's it.  Like, do they lend themselves to use in other areas?
[22:43] <ananke> nachox : more of a search for common similiarities
[22:43] <NyteOwl> nice little sport sedan - VW CC
[22:43] <rworkman> nachox: the one I'm referring to there is not until June, and it's a bit more large scale than what you have in mind :)
[22:43] <ananke> Old_Fogie : they're only useful for those given algorithms, with this specific software
[22:43] <Old_Fogie> ananke, aha I see
[22:43] <nachox> rworkman, :)
[22:43] <ananke> ohh, i see there is a decent description of this on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequence_alignment
[22:44] <Old_Fogie> XGizzmo_, ah I see now...libpng has SSA now for SlackW4rZ.
[22:44] <Old_Fogie> ..as does git
[22:44] <Old_Fogie> topic
[22:44] <Old_Fogie> !
[22:44] <ananke> and the idea is that if you find what your DNA or protein sequence is similar to, you can research that other well-known dna/protein, and hopefully learn more about what you have
[22:45] <nachox> rworkman, how many people?
[22:45] <kitche> hmmm llvm 2.5 testing as begun
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[22:46] <rworkman> nachox: it's for the Southeast Linux Fest in South Carolina, USA, in June.  Hundreds, if not more.
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[22:46] <nachox> rworkman, want to show them something new and cool?
[22:47] <nachox> rworkman, http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lxc-security/index.html?ca=drs-
[22:48] <nachox> that is something i want to see in linux, finally something to compete against solaris' zones that doesnt suck bad
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[22:48] <kitche> nachox: realluy Linux does not have good MAC/ACL's yet?
[22:48] <Old_Fogie> looks like FF3 is on track to be like FF2 series, here's yet another, CVE-2009-0652
[22:49] <nachox> kitche, ??
[22:49] <kitche> Old_Fogie: yeah there is a few for 3.0.6
[22:49] <nachox> kitche, this is about resource management, like assigning a processor to a set of processes exclusively
[22:50] <nachox> and isolating them from other processes in the system
[22:51] <ananke> so instead of process affinity, this is processor affinity :)
[22:51] <rworkman> nachox: I'll have a look at it, but doing a talk at something like this with lots of people I don't know about a subject I don't know very well... not really high on my list of things to experience...
[22:52] <nachox> you have time to learn, think of it as a challenge. Plus you dont want to bore a lot of fat linux nerds... specially if you plan to remain alive
[22:52] <Old_Fogie> How'd you like to drive behind this vehicle in stop & go traffic :) "Diesel trucks converted, now powered by cow manure" http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/41508/178/
[22:52] <thrice`> I thought btrfs is the answer to solaris zfs ?
[22:53] <kitche> thrice`: yea but it's a half broken filesystem still from what I read
[22:53] <aceofspades19> mmmm....butter
[22:53] <nachox> it will be once it is stable... it will take linux at least 2 years for that...
[22:53] <thrice`> no, mid 2009 is the eta
[22:54] <nachox> even more for hard core admins to adopt
[22:54] <thrice`> I hardly think selinux is the answer O.o
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[22:54] <thrice`> too bad solaris wouldn't share such a FS with us :)
[22:55] <Old_Fogie> iirc bsd has it no?
[22:55] <nachox> thrice`, you didnt read the link i posted right? nothing to do with zfs
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[22:55] <nachox> freebsd has it, yes
[22:55] <andarius> if they shared the good parts people would be less willing to overlook the bad
[22:55] <kitche> thrice`: I m pretty sure that btrfs timeline is off since 1.0 was suppose to be out Q408
[22:56] <thrice`> kitche: indeed :\
[22:56] <kitche> FreeBSD has a working ZFS but it's not that great compared to the one in Solaris
[22:56] <Old_Fogie> kitche, ah ok
[22:57] <nachox> how come we ended up talking about zfs? where is my genome?... :(
[22:57] <kitche> it mainly works on x86_64 works on x86 but you need to do a lot of tuning really
[22:57] <andarius> the goblin eated it
[22:57] <kitche> I m waiting for HAMMER myself it's the BSD's version of btrfs
[22:58] <jkwood> HAMMER TIME
[22:58] <aceofspades19> how is ext4 support in slackware?
[22:58] <nachox> kitche, it is there on dragonflybsd, i installed it today
[22:59] <kitche> nachox: yes dragonflybsd is the one that made it
[22:59] <thrice`> aceofspades19: it didn't go stable until 2.6.28, so you could install with ext3, compile a newer kernel, and convert.  it won't work / offer ext4 out of the box with 12.2
[23:00] <aceofspades19> ok
[23:00] <aceofspades19> do you think it will be in the next release of slackware?
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[23:00] <thrice`> at least an option, more than likely :)
[23:01] <kitche> I been busy looking up about the pdf adobe reader stuff lately
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[23:02] <aceofspades19> kitche: people still use that crap?
[23:03] <aceofspades19> thrice`: that will be good because I would like to move my 500 gb drive to ext4 some day
[23:03] <nullboy> pdf?
[23:03] <aceofspades19> its for /home only
[23:03] <nullboy> pdf is widely used...
[23:03] <aceofspades19> nullboy: acrobate reader
[23:03] <aceofspades19> acrobat*
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[23:04] <nachox> adobe reader
[23:05] <kitche> acrobat reader has a javascript issue right now and it's floating though the wild so it hit mainly security sites about it
[23:05] <aceofspades19> who put javascript in pdfs?
[23:05] <aceofspades19> they should be shot
[23:05] <aceofspades19> javascript in pdfs is so unnessecary
[23:05] <kitche> aceofspades19: javascript is enabled by default in acrobat reader
[23:06] <Old_Fogie> aceofspades19, you can say that again.  as if 10 years of js sec flaws isn't enuff of a cluebat, I have no idea what would be.
[23:06] <aceofspades19> kitche: I know
[23:06] <aceofspades19> Old_Fogie: its bad enough having javascript in a web browser
[23:07] <Old_Fogie> it's even inside flash too
[23:07] <aceofspades19> dear god
[23:07] <kitche> well it's not javascript in the pdf from what I been reading it's just effects the javascript engine in the reader I believe but I have not seen a malicious pdf yet
[23:07] <jkwood> a/effects/affects/
[23:08] <kitche> sometimes I get malicious stuff in my email from spammers so I like to probe it when I notice
[23:08] <Old_Fogie> I haven't seen any yet either ( /me knocks wood )
[23:08] <aceofspades19> I would like to smack the netscape engineer that invented javascript
[23:09] <nullboy> Old_Fogie: zip those pants back up!
[23:10] <Old_Fogie> :)
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[23:10] <aceofspades19> nullboy: I'm pretty sure Old_Fogie is too old to have one anyways :p
[23:10] Action: aceofspades19 ducks
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[23:11] <rworkman> That means he must have been knocking someone else's woood.
[23:11] <Old_Fogie> ++
[23:11] Action: nullboy looks around
[23:11] <aceofspades19> rworkman: did you have to say that?
[23:11] <QWonder> i guess i disabled the dns client or something, i can't get to anything without typing in an ip address... can someone let me know what i need to have running to fix this?
[23:11] <rworkman> aceofspades19: no.  Makes it even better. ;-)
[23:12] <nullboy> QWonder: check /etc/resolv.conf
[23:12] <aceofspades19> rworkman: thanks for traumatizing me for life
[23:12] <nullboy> lol
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[23:12] <aceofspades19> I'll be sending you the hospital bill
[23:12] <hitest> lol
[23:12] <rworkman> lol
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[23:12] <Old_Fogie> lemonaide anyone?
[23:13] <QWonder> hmm, i didn't edit that one. i did edit some of the other scripts to stop dhcpcd from running and i renamed rc.wireless and rc.inet1
[23:13] <QWonder> so i can bring the interface up manually
[23:13] <nullboy> you renamed rc.inet1?
[23:13] <nullboy> wtf
[23:13] <QWonder> because the scripts seem like they break it for some reason, it only works half the time
[23:13] Action: nullboy walks away
[23:13] <QWonder> well, i didn't know how to shut it off
[23:13] <jkwood> QWonder: BAD
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[23:13] <jkwood> chmod -x
[23:13] <QWonder> it only works half the time
[23:13] <nullboy> BS
[23:13] <nullboy> it works all the time for me
[23:14] <QWonder> okay
[23:14] <rworkman> and now it works none of the time.
[23:14] <cpunches> erm...the login manager for x is not in /etc/inittab?
[23:14] <QWonder> i guess you have the same exact hardware?
[23:14] <aceofspades19> lol
[23:14] <nullboy> QWonder: i just might
[23:14] <cpunches> i just installed gdm so i want to switch it out with kdm
[23:14] <Old_Fogie> I think I hear Baby Jesus crying somewhere in response to QWonder's actions
[23:14] <jkwood> Old_Fogie: Careful with the lemonaide refences, now rworkman is aroused.
[23:14] <Old_Fogie> jkwood, :)
[23:14] <QWonder> alright
[23:14] <QWonder> what should i be doing?
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[23:14] <QWonder> wicd can't get me on wireless at all, anywhere i go
[23:14] <jkwood> aceofspades19: That was disgusting.
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[23:15] <NyteOwl> Old_Fogie: that's not Jesus crying, that's Gates laughing
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[23:15] <QWonder> and sometimes the wired interface won't work
[23:15] <danc3> QWonder: my suggestion would be to visit the Noobuntu channel, and try that distro
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[23:15] <nullboy> QWonder: at this point i doubt anyone wants to help debug your self induced mess
[23:15] <aceofspades19> lol
[23:16] <Old_Fogie> bbiab
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[23:16] <aceofspades19> bbiab?
[23:16] <nullboy> be back in a bit
[23:16] <aceofspades19> these acronyms are getting longer and longer
[23:16] <QWonder> this is why no one uses linux
[23:16] <nullboy> QWonder: we don't care
[23:16] <joe____> hey yo, just tried to install the latest ati driver on 12.2, startx doesnt work anymore, getting "fglrx: Unknown symbol pci_disable_msi", tried google to no avail, anyone had this problem?
[23:16] <nullboy> QWonder: that attack doesn't work here
[23:17] <danc3> QWonder: lots of folks use linux.  Pretty much everyone in here does!
[23:17] <jkwood> We've heard that troll before.
[23:17] <QWonder> what attack
[23:17] <QWonder> oh christ
[23:17] <QWonder> i'm asking for help
[23:17] <danc3> QWonder: bugger off
[23:17] <QWonder> because i don't know what i'm doing
[23:17] <aceofspades19> QWonder: then don't insult us
[23:17] <straterra> joe____: uname -a please
[23:17] <jkwood> Okay, let me try to help.
[23:17] <QWonder> i wasn't
[23:17] <QWonder> you were telling me to go somewhere else
[23:17] <joe____> Linux computer 2.6.27.7-smp #2 SMP Thu Nov 20 22:32:43 CST 2008 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E6750  @ 2.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[23:17] <aceofspades19> QWonder: I suggest you scroll up a bit
[23:17] <joe____> sorry about that
[23:18] <joe____> using a HD4850 Radeon btw
[23:18] <alisonken1home> QWonder: when you open with "nobody uses linux" you should not wonder when people are not as friendly to you
[23:18] <joe____> 512mb
[23:18] <joe____> not xfired though
[23:18] <tank-man> calling us nobodies
[23:18] <nullboy> of all the channels to say "this is why no one uses linux" you say that in here...
[23:18] <danc3> hehe
[23:18] <alisonken1home> QWonder: especially since this _is_ a linux help channel
[23:18] <rworkman> joe____: what else have you installed on your system? (as far as stuff that didn't come with it)
[23:19] <jkwood> Guys, lay off.
[23:19] <joe____> rworkman fresh install as of about 10 minutes ago
[23:19] <QWonder> yes, i asked for help, told you what i did, and then you just didn't want to help me... because apparently i did something wrong
[23:19] <joe____> and i havent installed anything that wasnt on the iso
[23:19] <jkwood> QWonder: Just to let you know, you don't have to disable dhcpcd for wicd.
[23:19] <rworkman> joe____: hrm....
[23:19] <QWonder> i wasn't suggesting that no one uses linux because i don't know how to use it, and it's being difficult, i was suggesting that no one uses it because all of the help channels are full of assholes
[23:19] <joe____> ill roll back to an earlier driver if need be
[23:20] <danc3> QWonder: so now you're calling everyone in here an asshole?
[23:20] <joe____> because the 8.xx versions worked fine, but this latest one isnt playing the game
[23:20] <jkwood> QWonder: Please, ignore them.  They ARE assholes.
[23:20] <QWonder> danc3, did i say that?
[23:20] <rworkman> joe____: unknown symbols usually happen when someone does something stupid.  (which doesn't mean that the someone had to be you necessarily)
[23:20] <danc3> QWonder: yes, you did.  Look right there above
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[23:20] <jkwood> danc3: If you can't be helpful, find something else to do.
[23:20] <danc3> ummmm..... OK
[23:21] <joe____> bascially i dl the driver from the ati site, and as root ran "sh ati-driver-installer-9.2-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Slackware/All"
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[23:21] <jkwood> QWonder: Now, when you say that wicd only works half the time, are you talking on the same network, same AP, different networks?
[23:21] <alisonken1home> jkwood: would I be included in that ignore them comment? :)
[23:21] <QWonder> alright, i was wrong before anyway. i disabled wicd and wireless
[23:21] <QWonder> i just editing something out of inet1
[23:21] <QWonder> commented out
[23:22] <QWonder> wicd only works for my wired half the time, it won't connect to any wireless networks
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[23:22] <jkwood> Okay.  What driver did you use?
[23:22] <QWonder> but if i use iwconfig i can connect myself
[23:22] <rworkman> joe____: that means it's likely that ati did something stupid :)
[23:23] <joe____> lol, ah well, ill just use an earlier driver, no biggies
[23:23] <jkwood> Well, that's a good start.
[23:23] <rworkman> joe____: I'm sorry - I have no experience with the ati drivers, so I don't even know where to being with troubleshooting there.
[23:23] <rworkman> s/being/begin/
[23:23] <joe____> nah its all good, thanks anyway :-)
[23:23] <BP{k}> joe____: perhaps start here: http://slackwiki.org/ATI ?
[23:23] <jkwood> QWonder: What driver are you using?
[23:24] <BP{k}> <quote>(the ATI installer cannot generate a Slackware package),</quote>
[23:24] <joe____> oh yes it can
[23:24] <joe____> ive done it before
[23:24] <joe____> its just this latest driver that wont play the game
[23:24] <QWonder> iwl3945
[23:24] <jkwood> Okay, that's the one I'm using, so I know it works.
[23:24] <rworkman> I'd suspect that the package it generates would suck as much as Paris Hilton after a kegstand.
[23:24] <hitest> LMAO
[23:25] <jkwood> In wicd -> Preferences, did you pick something other than wext?
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[23:25] <joe____> once i nail down which version it was, someone may want to edit that...
[23:25] <QWonder> no, i had it on wext, then i tried... i can't remember exactly what, but one of the others and that wouldn't work either
[23:25] <rworkman> QWonder: what wicd version?
[23:25] <QWonder> then i went back to wext
[23:25] <jkwood> Okay, it's should be wext.
[23:25] <QWonder> i'm not sure, i can't remember if it came with slackware or if i got it from slackbuilds
[23:26] <QWonder> either way, i'm running 12.2 and if i installed it from slackbuilds it only would have been a week ago
[23:26] <rworkman> If you're on 12.2, then you need to upgrade to 1.5.9 from /patches
[23:26] <rworkman> 1.5.6 that shipped with 12.2 didn't work for some hardware, and there is also a (low risk/low impact) security issue fixed in 1.5.9
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[23:27] <jkwood> Indeed. That would be the next thing to try.
[23:28] <QWonder> alright
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[23:28] <jkwood> I had some intermittent problems with 1.5.6, if I remember correctly.
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[23:28] <QWonder> now, the only other thing is, and i don't know if it's something i've changed or where that would be
[23:28] <rworkman> and if we can figure out the fucking gremlin in the 1.6.x branch that's throwing wrenches in the works, maybe 1.6.0 can release at some point real soon
[23:29] <QWonder> i changed the default runlevel to 4
[23:29] <jkwood> rworkman: Anything funky change with r304 that I should know about before I upgrade to it?
[23:29] <NaCl> rworkman: there's a r305 now
[23:29] <QWonder> and now when i boot up a dhcpcd is running on eth0 even if nothing is plugged in to it... so it just sits there for two minutes or so before it times out
[23:29] <rworkman> jkwood: just my gremlin
[23:29] <NaCl> rworkman: Smallish change, no real functional difference unless you are usinging Chinese/Arabic/Russian/etc
[23:30] <rworkman> NaCl: I'll wait then. :)
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[23:30] <jkwood> rworkman: Shouldn't affect me, right?
[23:32] <rworkman> jkwood: I don't think so
[23:32] <nullboy> if you are interested in using the stock networking scripts with integrated wpa_supplicant for ALL wifi (including WEP, WPA{1|2}, open, EAP) here are examples for wpa_supplicant.conf and rc.inet1.conf http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/10486
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[23:35] <jkwood> Seems to be working here. :)
[23:36] <rworkman> jkwood: you wouldn't happen to have access to a peap network, would you?
[23:36] <jkwood> Nope.
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[23:36] <samychow> ls
[23:36] <samychow> lol
[23:36] <jkwood> . .. /pr0n
[23:36] <samychow> what is the default text editor on slax
[23:36] <rworkman> ./donkeyporn ./midgitporm
[23:37] <rworkman> samychow: we don't konw.
[23:37] <rworkman> can't type either.
[23:37] <nullboy> samychow: this is ##slackware not ##slax
[23:37] <jkwood> mcedit.
[23:37] <samychow> ;/
[23:37] <jkwood> I believe it has vim as well.
[23:37] <jkwood> It's been a long time since I used it, though.
[23:37] <samychow> i don't think so
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[23:45] <frullet> I was just messing around with dual screens ( with two screens with different resoltuions bad i know ), but now when using just one screen ( the default screen i always use ), if i open an app its pushed up into the far left hand corner or the screen?
[23:45] <samychow> oh well i got a copy of vim on there
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[23:46] <QWonder> alright, now i have everything back the way it was, i believe, except that i chmod -x rc.wicd and now i don't have any issues connecting to the wireless just using iwconfig and dhclient anymore... but there must be something with dns that's messed up
[23:46] <QWonder> because i have to use ip addresses everywhere
[23:47] <nullboy> QWonder: dhcpcd (which is what slackware's rc.inet1 script uses) would normally set a dns server in resolv.conf
[23:47] <jkwood> dhclient is not the recommended method for getting an IP address in Slackware.
[23:47] <nullboy> if dhclient isn't setting that there is probably a way to make it set that or use dhcpcd instead or manually set one
[23:47] <jkwood> dhcpcd usually works much better.
[23:47] <QWonder> maybe i missed something that i commented out, i'll look through the script again
[23:48] <nullboy> you can always manually add a dns server to /etc/resolv.conf though
[23:48] <frullet> nvm, fixed the problem
[23:49] <nullboy> QWonder: also, you left before i posted this:  if you are interested in using the stock networking scripts with integrated wpa_supplicant for ALL wifi (including WEP, WPA{1|2}, open, EAP) here are examples for wpa_supplicant.conf and rc.inet1.conf http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/10486
[23:50] <nullboy> QWonder: if you are having problems with wired interfaces timing out you should play with the option DHCP_TIMEOUT[4]="NUMBERHERE"
[23:50] <nullboy> try increasing that
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[23:51] <nullboy> example, if your eth0 is in block 0: DHCP_TIMEOUT[0]="8"
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[23:51] <joe____> sorry who was it that was telling me that buildpkg wouldnt work with the ati drivers?
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[23:51] <joe____> cause i just proved you wrong sucka
[23:51] <nullboy> wtf is buildpkg?
[23:52] <joe____> --buildpkg Slackware/All
[23:53] <joe____> as in sh ati-installer.sh --buildpkg Slackware/All
[23:53] <QWonder> oh wow
[23:53] <joe____> works beautifully
[23:53] <joe____> btw, thats the 8.12 driver
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[23:53] <QWonder> /etc/resolv.conf was empty
[23:53] <QWonder> so i used dhcpcd and it works
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[23:54] <nullboy> dhcpcd is setup by default to "fix up" resolv.conf
[23:54] <QWonder> hmm, i don't know what i've done to break it
[23:55] <nullboy> break what?
[23:55] <frullet> joe: The latest versions of the driver to work with buildpkg and slackware
[23:55] <nullboy> you just said it worked
[23:55] <frullet> s/to/dont/
[23:57] <QWonder> i mean, why it was broken during startup
[23:57] <QWonder> it was because i wasn't using dhcpcd but dhclient... i'm not sure what i was thinking when i said that
[23:58] <nullboy> dhclient needs additional otpions and configuration if you want it to fix up resolv.conf
[23:59] <QWonder> i'll just stick with dhcpcd, i just learned that dhclient existed before dhcpcd so that's what i stuck with
[23:59] <QWonder> i'll use dhcpcd from now on
[23:59] <jkwood> =)
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