[00:00] mrselfpwn: play openarena man [00:00] COME ON get with the program [00:00] dude, i play both [00:00] gm152 (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:00] lol [00:00] let me check dmesg and see if that shows anything [00:00] quake3 for lan parties [00:00] mordy: if you can post your whole dmesg for us that would be nice [00:00] mrselfpwn: ok fair enough [00:01] BlueWall (i=1000@adsl-074-237-137-028.sip.gsp.bellsouth.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:02] don't make me get medieval [00:02] i'm the master of the whip rail [00:02] Yes, post the dmesg in channel, please. [00:02] "PRNG is not seeded" [00:02] hell no! [00:02] (trying to start sshd) [00:02] pastebin that! [00:02] post the whole damn thing [00:03] i'm going to pastebin it, don't worry [00:03] phew :| [00:03] lol [00:03] Action: acidchild kills jkwood [00:03] better yes, just exec it right to the channel [00:03] Actually, better yet, paste it in #ubuntu [00:03] lol [00:03] lol [00:03] klogctl: Operation not permitted [00:03] a slackware dmesg into #debian [00:03] lmao [00:03] nullboy: it didn't work =( [00:03] i'm just trying to start sshd [00:03] does anyone know where the setup program lives on the slackware dvd? [00:03] neverwas: it's in the initrd [00:03] have fun [00:04] haha [00:04] errr... wait... would dmesg be up-to-date if the fs is read only? [00:04] actually there is a spam channel [00:04] i don't recall the name [00:04] mordy: yes [00:04] mrselfpwn: yes. [00:04] dmesg isn't a file lol [00:04] mordy* [00:04] mordy: it's a ring buffer [00:05] meep meep [00:05] oooh look at mr snooty with the fancy words. [00:05] Action: jkwood rings nullboy's buffer [00:05] don't you know it baby [00:05] ;P [00:05] you had me on the brain, how sweet acidchild [00:05] you can ring my buffer any day [00:05] isnt everything a file? [00:05] tank-man: everything might *look* like a file [00:06] but not a file [00:06] nothing exists man [00:06] mrselfpwn: thats never going to happen [00:06] mrselfpwn: nullboy is here. [00:06] =P [00:06] lol [00:06] hmm... now how do i pipe it to scp [00:06] hows life nullboy [00:06] i am not going there [00:06] mordy: using '-' [00:06] like all over programs [00:06] oh [00:06] Well... theoretically, in Unix, everything IS a fil.e [00:06] acidchild: working out nicely [00:06] can I boot to the dvd iso on the drive? [00:06] nice! [00:06] theoretically nothing exists at the same time [00:06] neverwas: no easily [00:06] neverwas: qemu+KVM [00:06] not* [00:07] only the kernel [00:07] man, this is harder than i though [00:07] and Bob [00:07] t [00:07] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:07] mrselfpwn: C always exists, the universe was written in C [00:07] lol [00:07] and some perl [00:07] with some x86 for good measure [00:07] i see mordy like trying on womens jeans backwards [00:07] And a dash of Ruby. I don't know why. [00:07] lmao [00:07] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [00:07] jkwood: because ruby sings too [00:08] lol [00:08] It does, that's true. [00:08] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:08] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [00:08] anybody know the name of that semi-hard rubber matterial is called? [00:08] is it a polyw/e? [00:08] see mordy, we have the same since of humor. [00:09] sense [00:09] so 12.2. installed and running, nice [00:09] poly{ethylene|vinyl} ? [00:10] maybe, i want a covering for my table [00:10] to stop my elbows hurting when i type. [00:10] diff between qemu+kqemu and qemu+kvm? [00:10] yeah that's polyvinyl [00:10] SiegeX: KVM is opensource and works great. [00:10] acidchild: for the elbows, use neoprene pads [00:11] or vasaline [00:11] ok, here's the dmesg [00:11] lol [00:11] ew.. [00:11] here we go, a full in channel dmesg paste [00:11] GO [00:11] http://pastebin.com/f4407594e [00:11] haha [00:11] pretty sure they are both open, no? [00:11] works great [00:11] SiegeX: no. [00:11] kqemu website will explain everything. [00:11] what we looking for on this dmesg? [00:11] :0 [00:11] :)) [00:12] i love slackware [00:12] acidchild: why the kernel won't mount my rootfs as rw [00:12] apparently it's not auto-loading anything [00:12] did you do make install_modules? [00:12] mordy: doy ou have your FS drivers set to Y or M ? [00:13] know what, let me pastebin my config too. it's Y [00:13] kernel 2.6.28.1 , anyone have a complete fail of ath5k to connect at all? [00:13] its ext3 nullboy [00:13] but i know i'll be asked lots of questions [00:13] madwifi Old_Fogie? [00:13] so one moment here.. [00:13] mrselfpwn, no ath5k [00:13] mordy: you could build your kernel based on /proc/config.gz of a running config that works for you. [00:13] mordy: did you start with a stock config though? ie: can you diff the configs to show us the changes? [00:13] not sure [00:13] nullboy: i started with slackware config [00:14] yeah show is your .config [00:14] though i am not using that card, I am running 2.6.29-rc2 [00:14] although the kernel itself is from kernel.org [00:14] ... [00:14] ok [00:14] mrselfpwn, I know madwifi is an option, but ath58 works on 2.6.27.X series, but seems totally regression?/messed-up on 2.6.28 I'm finding here, dunno why. [00:14] zcat /proc/config.gz | diff - .config > config.diff [00:14] i see [00:14] s/ath5k I mean [00:14] yeah [00:14] yeah it doesn't connect at all. [00:14] acidchild: you just want the diff? [00:14] hmm [00:14] mordy: yes [00:14] that's better [00:15] does it listen? [00:15] ok, i'll make the diff.. [00:15] see the wireless networks? [00:15] mrselfpwn, wlan0 is up, [00:15] mrselfpwn: do you ever listen? [00:15] :P [00:15] acidchild [00:15] see that way, we don't have to find a stock config and diff it ourselves muhahah ;) [00:15] mrselfpwn, nope, not even open unsecured, wlan0 is up...but nothing [00:15] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:15] i only pro-enunciate because he needs help [00:16] and i want trolls like you to listen [00:16] LOL [00:16] dude stfu [00:16] it's a slack12 huge-smp-huge kernel, thru makeoldconfig to get to 2.6.28. [00:16] don't make us get the hose [00:16] haha. [00:16] can't help when i'm right [00:16] http://pastebin.com/f7562145 [00:16] lol [00:16] nullboy: are these neoprene pads comfortable? [00:16] looks expensive. [00:16] ok, here's the diff. pardon the kernel name. i was a bit pisssed off when i thought of it [00:16] lol [00:17] -shrugs- [00:17] and pastebinit rocks [00:17] acidchild: better than the hard table that makes your elbows look like rhino skin [00:17] i remember when i was 13-14 when i got really in to linux [00:17] i had lots of rhino skin :-P [00:18] was kinda gross really [00:18] haha [00:18] i don't have rhino skin. i do have three sets of rhino horns though [00:18] i wonder if there is anything more designed for the task. [00:18] i found the best stuff for that, temporarily used corn husker's lotion on the elbows, that or break vitamin E capsules onto your elbows [00:18] works great [00:18] acidchild: http://lwn.net/Articles/220807/ [00:19] like 2 days of that and it's healed [00:19] SiegeX: i guess, since they realsed kvm the guy who made kqemu decided it was time to opensource. [00:19] SiegeX: he wanted IBM to buy his kernel module.. [00:19] and it didn't happen. [00:19] i use kvm and it kicks ass [00:19] so help him [00:19] acidchild [00:20] i can't help him [00:20] so in order to use kvm you have to alter qemu such that it doesnt work with other guests that qemu normally does? [00:20] i'm not r33t enough [00:20] mrselfpwn: i have actully looking at the config file [00:20] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [00:20] r33t? [00:20] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "sleepy times" [00:20] okay [00:20] you peice of shit. [00:20] SiegeX: the kvm source comes with the modified qemu [00:20] you asswipe [00:20] get to it [00:20] nullboy: and it only supports x86 guests? [00:21] SiegeX: i've never tried anything else under kvm but it is just qemu modified to be able to use kvm modules so i assume cpu emulation works [00:21] i'm not sure on that [00:21] mordy: grep EXT3 .config [00:21] can you pastebin the commented parts. [00:21] SiegeX: if you needed to emulate an arch i'd just stick with the mainline qemu [00:22] mordy: you have no 'CONFIG_EXT3_FS=y [00:22] acidchild: all are Y [00:22] not from that diff. [00:22] well, the diff only does the diff [00:22] SiegeX: for me, i use KVM strictly for slackware builds and windows VMs [00:22] oh... never mind hence why they don't come on the diff. [00:22] lol [00:22] mordy: *nod* [00:22] can you do mount -orw / ? [00:22] id probably only use it with x86, just wondering what im limiting myself to just incase [00:22] can you do mount -oremount,rw / ? [00:23] what error is provided. [00:23] SiegeX: yeah, i feel ya [00:23] Nick change: Old_Fogie -> Oldway_Ogiefay [00:23] acidchild: that works [00:23] SiegeX: but! you can still have the standard qemu installed with kvm's qemu since the binaries are named differently [00:23] mordy: lol check fstab [00:23] so i guess it's simply that i don't have the rc.modules configured? [00:24] mordy: it's not rc.modules, this is before it's mounted at all [00:24] the thing is it's not in my /proc or /dev [00:24] if the fs is being mounted r/o, rc.modules isn't the cause [00:24] fdisk -l spits out nothing [00:25] it's going to be lilo.conf (not likely) or an fstab issues [00:25] your config seems to be OK but you could try to just remove libATA totally [00:25] mmm what in lilo.conf would cause the FS to be mounted ro? [00:25] So noone else with ath5k issues on 2.6.28; okay off to consult the oracle then. [00:25] acidchild: perhaps the "ro"? [00:25] lol [00:25] that's why i said unlikely [00:25] but that's unlikely too :P [00:25] mordy: on what string? [00:26] he could have some parm passed in lilo, but unlikely [00:26] do you know about wireless acidchild? [00:26] root=/dev/hda1 [00:26] read-only [00:26] mrselfpwn: stfu [00:26] well, the ro kernel parameter is only for checking if the filesystem in tact [00:26] hmm, if my cpu doesnt have any of those hardware virtualization features, KVM isnt going to buy me very much over kqemu is it [00:26] is the only aspect that indicates 'read only' [00:26] that r/o entry is normal [00:26] nullboy: i know. [00:26] i know you know beavis [00:26] you stfu [00:26] so what else could you set 'ro' or 'read-only' in. [00:26] SiegeX, no [00:26] lol [00:27] well, the kernel parameters are normal [00:27] you can't help more than yourself [00:27] SiegeX, better off at that point with vmware, or vbox imo. [00:27] and i think dmesg tells you that too. search for "command" in dmesg. should tell you what i pissed to the kernel [00:27] d'oh. passed* [00:27] mordy: can you tell use what led up to this? just a kernel change and nothing else? [00:27] oh well, ill keep it in mind for when i upgrade to a mini-itx box [00:27] nullboy: nothing else [00:27] read-only - This specifies that the root file system should be mounted read-only. It may be specified as a global option. Typically, the system startup procedure re-mounts the root file system read- write later (e.g. after fsck'ing it). [00:28] still haven't addressed the issue Old_Fogie is having that you told me to stfu on. [00:28] mordy: try this; boot of install media and fsck the rootfs and then try to boot normally [00:28] so grep for rc.? for something to do with '-oremount' [00:28] Acidchild [00:28] Nick change: sitwon_ -> sitwon [00:28] mrselfpwn: stfu [00:28] so help him [00:28] mrselfpwn: stfu [00:28] this feels like a circus right now [00:28] St. Fu, patron saint of ninjas and ProjectSTFU.com [00:28] i feel funny [00:29] haha [00:29] don't have any other bootable drive here [00:29] what is a good gui frontend for libgphoto2 and gphoto2 ? [00:29] ROTFL jkwood [00:29] good job [00:29] Action: jkwood --> bed [00:29] dtanner, gimp, gwenview, digikam, [00:29] dtanner, gtkam [00:29] dtanner: gtkam [00:29] i hate WiFi [00:29] dtanner: i've used gtkam with my kodak and it works fine [00:30] acidchild [00:30] mrselfpwn: wtf is wrong with your wifi? [00:30] if you can't help in the situation [00:30] but 99.9% of the time its a PEBKAC matter. [00:30] pip_ (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [00:30] then don't speak [00:30] ok thanks everyone [00:30] ALWAYS check that pile of cd's before attempting anything crazy! [00:30] it's not me, it's old_fogie [00:30] #&*^%$# [00:30] yup, ath5k is just dead for me on 2.6.28 [00:30] Oldway_Ogiefay: are you the infamous Old_Fogie ? =) [00:30] Nick change: pip_ -> Pip [00:30] ath{5|9}k is in flux always [00:30] same box [00:30] oh shucks you are in pig-latin !@! [00:31] dtanner, yup "man pig" for piglatin :) [00:31] ahahahah [00:31] :D:D [00:31] fogie- that you? [00:31] Oldway_Ogiefay: i have some photos to upload and show you [00:31] ah cool [00:31] i got a HUGE surpise from my gf tonight , [00:31] mordy, yup :D [00:32] so this does not excuse your shithead attitude acidchild [00:32] errr... [00:32] dtanner, oh yea? [00:32] Nick change: Oldway_Ogiefay -> Old_Fogie [00:32] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-59-147.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [00:32] ok I'm old again [00:32] she took me out to eat and have steaks , and she surprised me with 3 boxes of stogies , humi-packs , the beads in a bottle for humididty control , a digital humidifer/temp doohickey, a punch forf those hard to draw smokes and then some [00:33] now say that in english... [00:33] woh! and this is a girlfriend huh. sounds like a keeper (or someone after your life insurance :) [00:33] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.188.39) joined ##slackware. [00:34] hey guys! guess what? [00:34] indeed =) heh [00:34] mordy, it's cigar stuff [00:34] Looks like I fixed the problem now I'm under slackware now [00:34] cigar stuff + typos =0 [00:34] acidchild are you there are you prefer the cowardice approach? [00:34] old_fogie; oh. i'm not that bourgeoise yet. i'm content with camels [00:35] dtanner, it's ok I speak,,heck I darn near invented type-o's [00:35] mordy, haha [00:35] *snicker* [00:35] initself_ (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:35] Action: dtanner fires up a Rocky Patel Edge Toro [00:35] is that a lawnmower? [00:35] Action: dtanner Puff puff [00:35] oh [00:35] lol [00:35] lucky strik shotguns here tonight [00:35] I had to disable PCI 1/2 Master WS Write and PCI 1/2 Post Write settings in bios setup and now slackware booted flawlessly [00:36] e [00:36] initself_ (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:36] i forgot to add "maduro" to that [00:36] initself_ (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:36] Action: dtanner is a maduro kinda guy [00:37] dissociative, woh, sounds like you were on quite the goose-chase [00:37] initself_ (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:37] dtanner, enjoy them while we can I s'pose, I hear 3-4$ tax on each one coming soon. [00:37] hmm... how would i populate proc by hand? [00:37] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:37] what !@! [00:37] dtanner: puff puff [00:38] all that effort was worth [00:38] initself_ (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:38] dtanner, we get the 'cigar show' on am radio here on weekends, and there's a big push to tax the heck out of them. [00:38] Action: mordy has smoked cuban cigars [00:38] 3-4$ tax per stick ! ? [00:38] Action: mrselfpwn has been to Cuba. [00:38] there's a whole radio show dedicated to cigars? [00:38] dtanner, that's what they said on the radio show [00:38] mordy, yes [00:38] initself_ (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:38] oy vey [00:38] 3 hours ! :) [00:38] Nationwide or on a state level ? [00:38] Ilove it [00:38] si [00:38] dtanner, nationwide [00:39] Action: mrselfpwn worked at GTMO [00:39] is that what rush limbaugh does these days? [00:39] oh [00:39] damnit man, i protest , start a petition ! right away ! [00:39] though almost everything feels somewhat slower, even video accel [00:39] am i crazt for liking Dominican cigars? [00:39] crazy* [00:39] mordy, he smokes cigars yes, but not overly special tho, he's a regular joe on his stogies. [00:39] lol [00:39] so who hosts the show? [00:39] nope nullboy dominicans are good smokes [00:40] nullboy, yea they have good wrappers, not the best tobacco in em' of the one's I had [00:40] if you must smoke a dominican, please make sure the man is dead first :| [00:40] lol [00:40] hehe [00:40] haha. [00:40] hehe [00:40] huhu [00:40] but acidchild is in another country where cubans are not banned [00:41] initself_ (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:41] well, it's illegal for a us citizen to smoke cuban cigars [00:41] regardless of where you're located [00:41] i wonder when obama will grant amnesty to all those criminals [00:41] initself_ (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:42] dtanner, http://www.cigardave.com/ that's the show, national, syndicated [00:42] I wonder when he plans to shut down the base in Cuba [00:42] wamaral (i=1000@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "BitchX: ..(cyp): gone" [00:42] it is not illegal to smoke them , it is illegal to bring them into the country [00:42] Click to see our Kosovo Fan Club [00:42] yeah he is going to free all non-violent drug offenders right after so help me god [00:42] wtf? [00:42] lo [00:42] Old_Fogie: thanks for the link [00:43] he is already going to raises taxes on ammunition [00:43] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:43] lol ammunition prices are already rising [00:43] and have been for the last 3 months [00:43] yes [00:44] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@71-90-99-251.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com expired. [00:44] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@71-90-99-251.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:44] because he won the election [00:44] anyone know how you build static binarys using cmake? [00:44] it's not hard to see [00:44] this application just has a cmake makefile, no configure. [00:44] acidchild stfu [00:45] lala. [00:45] ok, so any idea on what's going wrong wiht my system? [00:46] or at least let me manually populate /dev and /proc? [00:46] lol you could just put mount -orw / in your rc.local [00:46] =P [00:46] initself_ (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:46] good lord [00:46] hmm... let me see [00:46] oh we must have found intelligent on Uranus [00:46] what? [00:46] initself_ (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:46] s/intelligent/intelligence/ [00:46] andarius: hows life [00:46] whittyness fail [00:47] acidchild: moving slightly left but forward all the same. you ? [00:47] life [00:47] alrite! :-) exploring snort and pgsql [00:47] other than that, same old same old [00:47] i have read snort can be a beast [00:47] indeed. [00:47] snort is a beast [00:47] i signed up to the live feed :] [00:47] a big hog beast :) [00:48] i am on the mailing list for ,my firewall [00:48] its entering 80,000 alerts to my database a second [00:48] i setup an ACID/BASE console a few years ago and then, it was nasty [00:48] its nuts. [00:48] crap :| [00:48] hmm... i'm still getting the same problem [00:48] andarius: no, live feed gives you up to date rules.. [00:48] /cl [00:48] neverwas1 (n=Adam@237-71-14-216-arpa.cust.cinci.current.net) joined ##slackware. [00:48] ahh, well my FW pulls weekly. enough for me [00:48] denied [00:49] for snort? [00:49] yes, if you register with them you can pull updates [00:49] yeah. [00:49] Nick change: neverwas1 -> neverwaws [00:49] still haven't helped our friend with the problem you chose to interrupt on acidchild [00:49] Nick change: neverwaws -> neverwas1 [00:49] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [00:49] what distro/thingi do you setup on your router? [00:49] "error initializing control socket /etc/rc.d/rc.udev" [00:49] the "denied" was for --> 00:48 < Rat409> /cl [00:49] register for updates, like a 'snort genuine advantage' :) [00:49] neverwas1 (n=Adam@237-71-14-216-arpa.cust.cinci.current.net) left ##slackware. [00:49] could that be the problem? [00:49] acidchild: endian [00:50] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-59-147.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [00:50] ah. [00:50] Action: chopp just switched from endian, to fbsense [00:50] the machine is more than capable of jut about anything but endian works well [00:50] chopp: pfsense? [00:50] :-p [00:51] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:51] oop's yup [00:51] hehe [00:51] mrselfpwn: is this a fresh install? [00:51] how would you say it fares compared to endian? [00:52] andarius: so far I would say it is better than endian. Dominian seems to agree. [00:52] I set it up as an AP too [00:52] acidchild, old_fogie had an issues where i was attempting to help him. You decided to be an ass and just make smart ass comments. So, you should help him. [00:53] hmm. may have to set up a machine and test it. I have been using endian for so long it is hard to leave it. fast, effective and simple [00:53] the help for now is just to use madwifi [00:53] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.188.39) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:54] nullboy, well surprisingly, ath5k is great on my ten netbook with 2.6.27 kernel. it's broke in 2.6.28 ..so one would say..stay with 2.6.27..but there's things in 2.6.28 that fix other items that are broke in 2.6.27 [00:54] you have to love it /end-scarcasm [00:54] Old_Fogie: what aint working? [00:54] the building process? [00:54] ath5k does nothing [00:55] nothing in dmesg? [00:55] hmm.. is there a "ring buffer" for messages? [00:55] just says wlan0 device isn't ready [00:55] but lsmod == same as lsmod in 2.6.27 kernel [00:55] wlan0 is up [00:56] google would probly tell you [00:56] it's the same pc..just rebooted into a 2.6.28 kernel that I ran 'make oldconfig' of the slackware huge kernel 2.6.27 that does have good ath5k [00:56] renew01 (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:56] me? [00:56] no Old_Fogie. [00:56] oh [00:56] google keeps sending me to an ascii art of the middle finger [00:56] mordy: yours is just fucking weird. [00:56] lol [00:56] acidchild lol [00:56] sorry i'm sure if you said if it was a fresh install or not. [00:57] that's why I was wondering if anyone else see's this 'regression' for lack of better words/explanation on my part at the moment [00:57] this is a pretty fresh install, like one week old [00:57] wurd. just try rebuilding your kernel :-) [00:57] from fresh....config and everything. [00:57] =] [00:57] yeah, but any ideas on what to place inside it? [00:57] thats the art of kernel building really [00:58] i looked at the 2.4 config... so easy compared to this :P [00:58] mordy: Just use make randconfig. ;) [00:58] haha [00:58] ugh [00:58] lol [00:58] mordy: yeah... 2.4.x is easy [00:58] acidchild: if only i can get it to work [00:58] :-( [00:58] 2.4 just hangs when mounting the root fs [00:59] no error messages, no freezing... [00:59] sounds like you have some b0rkage going on. [00:59] and when i hit ctl-alt-del it says "flush hda" [00:59] in the hardware? [00:59] i don't know, this kinda kernel/hardware/system crap really annoys me. [00:59] well, it's old -- but i don't see any errors once everything is set up [00:59] come accross it alot on fixing clients gentoo servers. [01:00] lol [01:00] i built the kernel in 3 minutes in a chroot jail [01:00] :P [01:00] so it wasn't build on a slackware system etc. [01:00] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "I know of nothing that can make me as sad as my daughter being sad" [01:00] mordy, same glibc? [01:01] anyways, my show is almost over so its bed time. [01:01] old_fogie - let me check... but this shouldn't be causing my problems here now anyway, should it? [01:01] night all, good luck mordy. =) [01:01] gnite acidchild [01:01] mordy, well from what I've read, it's not recommended, but that's my take on it [01:02] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:02] mordy, you built a kernel for slack in a chroot jail on debian that is right? [01:02] old_fogie: yeah [01:03] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@75-107-34-104.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:03] well, debian's is glibc-2.7-1 and slack is just 2.7 [01:03] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:03] at least i feel clean now :) [01:03] lol [01:03] forgot LED support the first time lol [01:03] old_fogie; if it's broken, i can always recompile with the same config on slackware [01:03] mordy, yea [01:04] it would take longer... but i found a newer version of distcc [01:04] Cann0n: when the intel iwl guys first branched that out it messed up everyone [01:04] this one has something called pump that allows remote preprocessing [01:04] it's like from december [01:04] mordy, I'd think it might rear it's ugly head on building modules if you need something additional, like a madwifi or such [01:04] neverwas (n=Adam@237-71-14-216-arpa.cust.cinci.current.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:04] old_fogie, yeah... but i can always build it on my debian :P [01:04] yeah. i keep forgetting to set it. i need my b43 wifi led flicker [01:05] not that i intend to swap hardware much on this relic [01:05] Cann0n, my led's == fail on linux too :( [01:05] ath5k has none [01:05] i just get oss errors with alsa on boot [01:05] aww [01:05] i forgot how to fix that. i think i left out some modules i dont need [01:06] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.158.7) left irc: "leaving" [01:06] the load in rc.alsa but i dont want to disable sound, which works fine [01:06] sigh.... [01:07] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [01:07] next time i boot i need to write down the names and disable them from loading [01:08] my IRC latency dropped 0.8s [01:08] normally its 1.9s all the time [01:09] do i need this whole cryptographic api thingy?? [01:12] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [01:12] eh, i dunno, do you? [01:13] lol [01:15] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:15] mordy, you wouldnt happen to be on a compag r3000 with a P4 would ya? [01:15] nah [01:15] lol [01:15] is that a laptop? [01:15] oh, i could have sent you my .config [01:15] yeah [01:16] i used to have a compaq x6000 [01:16] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:16] which is probably built similarly [01:16] renew01 (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:16] over heats and is bulky? [01:16] cann0n :D yes [01:16] KidpunkX (n=masterx8@97.104.48.72) joined ##slackware. [01:20] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2+2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [01:23] my laptop overheated once when i hit acpi keys to put it into standby mode and immediately shoved it into a zip shut padded notebook sleeve and then into my bag [01:23] but acpi crashed and the system was still running.... [01:23] 6 hours in that sleeve running [01:23] :X [01:23] happened to me many times :P [01:23] ouch [01:23] woops [01:23] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: "leaving" [01:24] PROC_EVENTS [=n] [01:24] FriedBob (i=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [01:24] this doesn't look right. does it? [01:24] CONFIG_ACPI_PROC_EVENT=y [01:24] but i'm in 2.6.28.1 [01:25] nullboy. this is 2.6.28.1 too [01:25] nards (n=SWELL@201-88-23-36.gnace704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:25] althouugh the config is a modified 2.6.27.7 [01:25] mordy: did you use make oldconfig? [01:25] hmm... no [01:25] doh! [01:26] that's almost certainly part of the problem [01:26] hmm... [01:26] make oldconfig after make menuconfig? [01:26] before [01:26] oh shiat menuconfig let me check otu that out thanks :-PO [01:27] i sdont have it lol [01:27] zcat /proc/config.gz > /usr/src/linux-2.6.28.1/.config && cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.28.1/ && make oldconfig && make menuconfig [01:27] just take the defaults for any make oldconfig options [01:28] then use make menuconfig to do a once over [01:28] and then use menuconfig to load my customized config? [01:29] that's the problem. i have two probbably conflicting configs [01:29] btw, make gconfig is completely unreliable and make xconfig is better, but still has problems, avoid them [01:30] Action: Camarade_Tux says "hi" and showers [01:30] gconfig is a mem leaker, and has no mouse wheel support here [01:31] mordy: no, don't reload your config [01:31] make oldconfig will sanely merge the two [01:31] then you reconfigure whatever make oldconfig gives you if need be [01:32] usually the make oldconfig defaults are sane though [01:32] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-59-147.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [01:32] make silentoldconfig? [01:33] mordy, http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding [01:33] ugh... what part of "silent" does make not understant [01:35] hmm.. maybe i should clarify what i'm dealign with: [01:35] or read the guide on building kernels [01:35] :) [01:35] i have two config files based on a 2.6.27.1 kernel; config-old (config.gz) and config-new [01:35] RJ2k (n=rj@c-76-18-30-59.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:36] now, i have a 2.6.28.1 kernel that i'd like to compile. the thing is that there are probably new config options for that too [01:36] RJ2k (n=rj@c-76-18-30-59.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:37] nards (n=SWELL@201-88-23-36.gnace704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "cyp: Bitch-X BaBy!" [01:38] mordy, yep [01:39] Old_Fogie, not only mem leaker, but .config corrupter too ! [01:39] although i seriously doubt it's a kernel issue [01:39] it's more like /dev and /proc don't get populated with anything [01:40] Camarade_Tux, oh yea? huh, no I didn't even get that far. Saw that it ran like puh-poo and no wheel, that was a sign telling me to bail on it. [01:40] mordy, easy :) read up there [01:40] or pebkac [01:40] they have a bit, but not any block devices... [01:40] heh, had to say it :) [01:40] :/ [01:41] Old_Fogie, actually it was not really corrupt, it just did not look like what I had set at all :D [01:41] hah [01:41] ahah [01:42] nards (n=SWELL@201-88-23-36.gnace704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:42] mordy, did you ever happen to have a working kernel (just one, not two, three, ,p just one) ? [01:42] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:42] mohaaa: this is 'working' sorta.. [01:42] but i have a weird problem with this one [01:43] mohaa, either it works, or it does not work [01:43] still not done yet? [01:43] there can't be "yes but" [01:43] i don't know where to look for my problem [01:43] o_o [01:44] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left ##slackware ("It's not your problem."). [01:44] it mounts my disk, i can read it, and if i do mount -o remount,rw / i can also write to it [01:44] but i need to do this all manually, and it also seems as if none of the scripts are executing properly [01:44] Reaver_1 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [01:45] mordy, what's in your fstab for the partition/filesystem? [01:45] old_fogie: hda1, ext3 [01:45] you got my dmesg and .config? [01:45] that's it? [01:46] mordy, paste it please [01:46] well, let me see what else is in there... [01:46] modry, why not try fixing the original problem? was it irq issues with the stock kernel in slackware? [01:46] tank-man: the new kernel fixes the original problem [01:47] so at least that far i succeed [01:47] although i think there may be some other problems :-< [01:47] lol [01:48] can't help you get automount of a filesystem without seeing /etc/fstab mordy [01:48] it's not an fstab issue because it can't read anything in fstab [01:48] that's one of the craziest lines I think I've read in this here channel yet mordy [01:49] /dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults 1 1 ; devpts /dev/pts devpts gif=5 mode=620 0 0 [01:49] nards (n=SWELL@201-88-23-36.gnace704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "cyp: Bitch-X BaBy!" [01:49] old_fogie, all the bootup messages suggest it can't read anything in the filesyste [01:49] m [01:49] "gif=5" <-- typeo [01:49] gid [01:49] have to go, see you later [01:50] so your not pasting [01:50] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "school" [01:50] old_fogie: it's 4 lines [01:50] give us a jpg of the text :) [01:50] what is the permissions on /etc/fstab? [01:50] proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 [01:50] nards (n=SWELL@201-88-23-36.gnace704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:51] rw r r [01:51] root:root right? [01:51] yeah [01:51] nards (n=SWELL@201-88-23-36.gnace704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [01:51] what line are you using in grub to boot the kernel? [01:52] root=/dev/hda1 ro [01:52] although i get the same problem removing the ro [01:53] nullboy1 (n=nullboy@97-94-107-72.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:53] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:53] Nick change: nullboy1 -> nullboy [01:53] weee [01:53] mordy, no what's the wholeline in grub look like [01:53] lol [01:54] kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28.1 [01:54] mordy, reboot into stock kernel and let's see what's going on, paste the dmesg output [01:54] errr... and my custom name which is an expletive :D [01:54] you want the stock dmesg? [01:54] yup [01:55] we dont support custom kernels here [01:55] lol [01:55] I aint kidding. [01:56] well, the problem i have isn't with the stock kernel. the problems i had with the stock kernel were asked a different time and they weren't solved. [01:56] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:56] nullboy1 (n=nullboy@97-94-107-72.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:56] so the stock kernel works fine in this regard. it loads the rootfs normally [01:56] Nick change: nullboy1 -> nullboy [01:58] now here's the custom kernel dmesg [01:58] http://pastebin.com/f13097c82 [01:58] mordy, look, I gave you a link to a kernel guide to build a new kernel. the author is a slackware contrib/dev. you can't possilby expect any of us to know what you did and didn't do in your kernel, as we sit here and read things from you like "do I need this XYZ thingie". I'm not being disrespectful, you're learning, great. But you have to understand we can't help you fix a custom one, we can only help you get up n runnin [01:58] g on stock , and point you in right direction for a new one. now if you got issues on stock kernel, and got no answeres, then post them here and let's see what's up with it. [01:59] http://pastebin.com/f5abe65a8 < the stock dmesg [02:00] old_fogie: read the stock dmesg - you'll see an irq conflict [02:01] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:01] what line? [02:01] mordy: I also see that you've got some funny udev reassigning going on - did you install this system on one computer and move the disk to another or something ? [02:02] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:02] nullboy: 131 and 341 [02:02] rk4n3: i also realized that, and i think that might be the root of my problem, but no, i didn't do that [02:03] mordy, do you have any udev rules edited for your kernel , which control your eth names, such as eth0 and eth1? [02:03] mordy: do you use pcmcia/cardbus? [02:03] disable the pcmcia rc script and black list those drivers [02:03] old_fogie: nope [02:03] mordy, do you have a full install of (a)(ap)(l)(n) installed? [02:03] mordy: my instinct is to suspect that something fairly non-standard has been done with this install, which would compel me to consider a clean install [02:04] nullboy: my nic is pcmcia [02:04] Old_Fogie: that's the renaming stuff I was getting at ... [02:04] well that's a bummer [02:05] but i haven't done anything non standard to the base system. i messed around with X but that's about it [02:05] mordy, but did you do full install of those sections I mentioned? [02:05] old_fogie, AFAIK yes [02:05] can you boot into huge-smp kernel? and dmesg that for us? [02:06] old_fogie - i posted that [02:06] 02:05 < mordy> http://pastebin.com/f5abe65a8 < the stock dmesg [02:06] no you dont have the -smp at end [02:06] that's not huge smp kernel [02:10] ugh, i get the same conflict [02:11] is there really a big difference between huge and huge-smp except smp? [02:11] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) joined ##slackware. [02:11] rules out the chance there is w.r.t issue [02:12] w.r.t.? [02:12] alright - this is a little strange - I found an article about the exact same problem - PCMCIA network card doesn't work, and dmesg shows an IRQ conflict on IRQ 10 between pci and yenta ... the solution was that the guy installed a new version of alsa, which set up his sound card wrong and messed with IRQ 10 [02:12] ... seems like this could be almost anything [02:12] mordy, this is a laptop? can you change the sound card settings in bios? restore the sound card irq and dma settings to stock in bios? [02:13] rk4n3: the conflict doesn't happen in my custom kernel [02:13] mordy: different sound card driver versions ? [02:13] actually, a rull bios reset to stock is probably best on old pc now I think of it. all them crashes over the years they get lost on their way at times [02:14] rk4n3, i doubt that's the case... i did compile my pc card nic, disabled a bunch of other stuff too [02:15] and the bios only lets me disable the parallel port, which i did, because i don't use it [02:15] no 'reset to factory' [02:15] or 'load setup defaults' or the like? [02:15] mordy: well, until you actually know what the root cause is, "i doubt that's the case" is kinda meaningless, no ? [02:16] Worst case, do the hardware reset option. [02:16] Remove the battery or flip the jumper. [02:16] rk4n3, well, how different is the oss driver in 2.6.27 from 2.6.28? [02:16] mordy: the fact that neither of us know the answer to that is exactly why it can't be discounted [02:17] yeah i have oss module issues after i recompiled [02:17] i forgot where to comment them out from loading [02:17] sound works fine for me [02:18] /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist [02:18] wy didnt i think of that [02:18] :D [02:18] lol [02:19] Action: Cann0n hugs Old_Fogie [02:19] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Success [02:19] i still dont' understand what a w.r.t. issue is [02:19] you help me too much [02:19] wrt with respect to [02:19] 02:17 < Old_Fogie> rules out the chance there is w.r.t issue [02:20] "wrt" usually means "with regards to". [02:20] yea that i mean [02:20] yea i mean that [02:20] Wireless RouTer [02:20] none of that fits into the said context [02:22] damn i wish i wrote those modules down [02:23] Cann0n, snd_*_oss probably [02:23] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [02:24] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-164-86.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:24] can i make a symbolic link to a directory outside of the nfs share work on nfs? [02:24] mordy, in the top of /etc/rc.d/rc.pcmcia you'll see the value "DRIVER_OPTS=" <--has no value, later in the script, we have "/sbin/modprobe $DRIVER $DRIVER_OPTS > /dev/null 2>&1" This leads me to assume, that you ?may? have to do some searching, and see if you can find which parameters the yenta will accept to come up and maybe grab a diff irq since the "normal" script as is passes nothing to the options when it's modprobed? [02:25] old_fogie: rc.pcmcia doesn't execute because the relevant modules are in the kernel already [02:25] or at least that's the message it gives (look in the dmesg i posted) [02:26] I dont see it saying that, where? [02:26] well, i get that on boot at least [02:27] tank-man, thats it. can i use *'s in blacklist [02:27] dmesg doesn't give everything though [02:27] if we were modprobing a built in, you'd have an error stating that clearly [02:27] stock kernel doesn't have them built in [02:27] there as modules kernel config [02:28] /lib/modules/2.6.27.7-smp/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/yenta_socket.ko [02:28] see [02:28] old_fogie: have a look at the script and see :) [02:28] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:28] line 32 of rc.pcmcia is what i get [02:28] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [02:29] mordy: building drivers into the kernel that used to be modules can sometimes reveal issues, especially with subsystems like pcmcia and usb, which sort of lean toward being modules by default... [02:29] yes, the kernel is seeing it and bringing it up [02:29] mordy, "lsmod |grep yenta" [02:30] old_fogie: it's there, but rc.pcmcia isn't loading it [02:30] so i guess it's not built in [02:30] mordy, yeah it's not built in, seems the kernel is loading it prior to that script running? [02:30] i guess [02:31] mordy, do you have a file per chance called "/etc/rc.d/rc.netdevice" ? [02:32] old_fogie:: no [02:32] ok [02:35] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:36] upyr1 (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [02:38] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:38] renew01 (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:39] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:40] mordy, as far as the stock kernel goes, you may want to post on linuxquestions.org so others can help as it's so late here now. But as far as compiling a new kernel (which you said didn't have this issue) I gave you alienbob's kernel guide there. If you follow that to a 'tee' that'll get you a good working kernel, and if you got questions ask me/us since we all have access to the same notes to build a kernel that you're wo [02:40] rking on. [02:41] mordy, it's 3am US time, so not many people are active at these hours [02:41] well, i tihnk i may need some more modules [02:41] lol [02:41] mordy, maybe the kernel parameter "biosirq" will help (as documented in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt) [02:43] nope, biosirq doesn't help :-< [02:45] isn't there an irqpoll param?,i'm braindead at this hour tho [02:48] mordy, what happens if you boot up with the card not inserted? [02:48] and insert it later [02:48] hmm... let me try [02:48] running "tail -f /var/log/messages" and maybe "tail -f /var/log/syslog" [02:50] i still get the conflict [02:51] mordy, what if you # chmod -x /etc/rc.d/rc.pcmcia and reboot, what then? same thing? [02:51] mordy, that makes the script not run on bootup [02:52] I also ran into an article where a guy has a problem with his PCMCIA card where it only picks it up every other insertion, so he had to insert it once, pull it, and insert it again to get it recognized - that could be something to try [02:53] rk4n3, I had a problem like that on one of my pc's in slack 10.2 days, but we had hotplug then, so diff animal I s'pose [02:54] well, guess what - this gives me the same thing [02:55] mordy, interesting [02:55] Obama should make good on this pilot landing in the Hudson by asking him to be his Airforce 1 pilot. [02:55] i need to insert it, remove it, and then reinsert it for it to get detected [02:55] mordy, with the script no executing right [02:55] that pilot is Cpt. 1337 [02:55] old_fogie: no.. [02:55] ? [02:55] i have yet to disable it.. [02:56] but i doubt it will do much help. the script doesn't execute anyway - remember? [02:56] i mean it runs, but it doesnn't do anything [02:56] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:58] Action: mordy compiles the kernel again [02:58] mordy, follow that guide it works :) [02:59] should be ready in 2 minutes [02:59] hi ho hi ho off kernel building i go. with irqs and conflicts too hi ho hi ho hi ho [03:00] but compiling in chroot jail on debian for slackware...I dont know [03:00] you're compiling a custom segfaulting kernel [03:00] I still think you should really do it natviely [03:00] nullboy, yes he's working on debian for slackware [03:00] what about just using a VM in debian [03:01] if i have another computer, why not use that? [03:01] becuase I really dont think it works that way, libstdc,glibc [03:02] if i get a good config i'll compile it natively [03:02] until then, i don't feel like waiting an hour and then seeing that the config was bad and i need to redo [03:06] http://palisade.plynt.com/issues/2006Jun/injection-stored-procedures/ [03:08] night guys [03:08] be well ya'll [03:08] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [03:09] ugh, the same damn error with a newer config [03:10] there's probably some config option which enables block devices to appear in proc/sys but i can't find it [03:10] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:10] is /etc/rc.d/rc.udev running [03:11] it runs into an error [03:11] old_fogie: the problem with the new kernel is that there is no /dev/hd-anything or sd-anything for that matter [03:11] on stock kenel too? [03:11] nah, this is the custom one now [03:12] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [03:12] CONFIG_BLK_DEV ? [03:12] y [03:12] lol [03:12] nullboy, i just changed that in this newest install, it didn't help [03:13] bbiab, I needs sammiches [03:13] Action: dtanner loves my sony cybershot, I can use ptp or disk to communicate with the kernel and libgphoto =) [03:14] I am jsut using gphoto2 cli to grab the pics [03:14] i will install gtkam later , thanks for the gui tip though [03:15] ok... maybe i should have a look at that diff again and see what i enabled in the new kernel that wasnt' enabled in the old one [03:15] could be something to do with romfs or something like that? [03:15] Old_Fogie: I am gettting hungry also , i have leftover steak in the fridge =) [03:15] mmmm leftovers [03:15] Action: mordy 's mouth waters [03:17] err... wait, should i also enable ext3? [03:17] i mean ext3 [03:17] 3 [03:17] 2 [03:17] Channel flood from mordy -- kicking [03:17] damn keyboard [03:17] mordy kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [03:17] mordy (n=mordy@pool-162-83-150-193.ny5030.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:17] sorry [03:18] DasEi (n=m@f048005054.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [03:19] # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD is not set [03:19] ut oh [03:19] ^^^ wow [03:19] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:19] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [03:20] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:20] hmm.. it says "very old hard disk (MFM/RLL/IDE) driver [03:21] but i'll try it anyway [03:23] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-4-99-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:28] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:30] well, compiling again lol [03:32] personally, I'd have just reused huge-smp's config, via makeoldconfig in that help guide, and built it and go from there. if that faile,maybe reconfig the config to have kernel adjust irq's then built and test, all baby steps. [03:32] old_fogie, that's pretty much what i did [03:32] could be there was some bug in 27 that got fixed in 28 [03:32] but i removed a lot of stuff i thought i didn't need [03:33] hmm... know what? i'll compile the new kernel with the old config and see how that goes [03:33] yea but if you got a pc that builds a kernel in a few minutes, I'd really keep it simple, use what Mr. V has ...he knows alot better than us :) [03:34] yeah, but that kernel is intended to work on many machines and generally configurations *may* be conflicting, opting to choose the lesser of two evils when you need to select between something working great on only a small amount of machines or working ok on a larger number [03:35] mordy, that may be but you're like the first person in all my time using Slackware I've seen that [03:35] and I'm not implying anything there [03:36] really, never seen this [03:37] well, i wouldn't make such a big fuss about the irq conflict if i didn't think it was affecting my network speeks [03:37] speeds* [03:37] not just that, but could be system instability too, who knows, I wouldnt want one [03:37] well, it's not a standard system [03:38] and in general this laptop apparently doesn't appear to be very popular [03:38] and in its day, it seems to have worked flawlessly wiht a 2.4 kernel.. if only i could make that work [03:39] you had put a 2.4 on slack 12.2? wow that's desparate [03:41] well, i tried. didn't get very far, and thought the same [03:41] mordy, you know, slack 11 is still maintained for security fixes (for how long I don't know) but it has 2.4 as default kernel. [03:42] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-241.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:42] how different is it from 12? [03:42] mordy, well it has 'hotplug', no hal for starters [03:42] that's a limitation of 2.4 kernels [03:43] you can install 2.6 kernelson it [03:43] i don't get what 'no hal' means [03:43] automount thumbdrives, cd's etc [03:43] i take it as a very basic part of any operating system [03:43] unless hal in linux isn't necessary the only form of hardware abstraction [03:43] 'basic part...so doesworking :) [03:44] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-75-62.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:44] well there is no 'hal' in linux the kernel [03:44] 'hal' is an add on program [03:45] you just manually mount the floppy or cdrom, or thumbstick on the fly if you didn't create a hard coded fstab rule, that's it. works well with sudo . [03:46] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-59-147.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [03:46] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "mo tewas dulu.. nitip judequinn" [03:49] i wish i could figure out what i need to configure in this kernel... maybe comparing the two dmesg would help? [03:50] it seems to be something very trivial [03:50] what populates dev? [03:51] udev [03:51] hmm... what's the major number of an ide HD? [03:52] huh? [03:52] let me see if i can do mknod [03:52] your new kernel sounds like a bag of fail if udev isn't populating dev for you [03:53] yeah, but it will help if i can narrow it down [03:54] mordy, are you installing the modules? [03:54] nooper (n=nooper@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "There is no spoon" [03:54] old_fogie: yes [03:54] make modules_install [03:54] k [03:55] nlhub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:56] try building it native then if you're getting fails like this,adn your new kernel's config is so highly like the huge-smp from slack installer [03:57] i'd get a modprobe error if it was trying to insert something and not working [03:59] well all I can say is, when I build kernels I see it's making a system map, and running depmod, and the fact that you're on debian, in a chroot jail and all, i think it's building on debian is giving you a lousy kernel. especially since you have 64 bit debian, and say you'r building in 2 minutes, (but thats just my 0.02$ guess) [03:59] Reaver_1 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: "Leaving." [03:59] I've never seen this problem you're having either fwiw [04:00] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@114.231.18.214) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:00] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.155) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Organize your IRC" [04:03] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [04:04] mordy, i'd also recommend rebuilding that on slackware. /me thinks it'll be all right :) [04:04] i highly douobt that's the issue [04:05] mordy, oh based on what? [04:05] it's just that i've never seen one compiling a kernel for one distro using another [04:06] webarticle? letter from linus? what makes you think building in chroot jail on debian 64 is ok for slackware kernel? [04:06] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:06] AEnima1577 (n=asdfjkl@c-71-62-151-225.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:07] missyjane (n=hey@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [04:07] it's a valid question mordy , I've never ever heard of that being an accepted practice. [04:07] hi so i put in a bad cd, now it says "cd successfully unmounted but tray failed to eject" [04:08] what do i do?.. [04:08] missyjane, as root "eject cdrom" but close out any apps if you can that may be accessing it. [04:09] ok it worked [04:09] "i highly douobt that's the issue" popular phrase with you :) [04:09] \0? [04:09] why does the command do that but clicking on the hard part of the dvd drive does nto? [04:09] \0/ <-- heh, there we go [04:10] missyjane, I think the button on the drive door (if that's what you mean) is polled by hal too (i'm pretty sure) and maybe it's hal holding you up, but since root is God of all / the eject works. [04:10] yep thats what i meant [04:10] interesting.. i didnt think .. that had much effect [04:11] tank-man, agreed. [04:11] i guess understanding A+ did help me know what hal mean :D [04:11] thank you Old_Fogie [04:11] missyjane (n=hey@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [04:11] hence the reason we dont support custom compiles [04:15] why this won't work for check summing directories?? [04:15] tar cf - $argv[1] | pipebench | md5sum - [04:15] ? [04:16] wtf is pipebench? [04:17] _chess_: not initially :) [04:17] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:17] hey i get No package 'sigc++-2.0' found [04:17] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/libsigc++/ [04:17] this one right to install? [04:19] lw0x15, I'm running a new verstion than SBo, but it should be yes [04:20] libsigc++-2.2.3 [04:20] that's what I have a.t.m [04:20] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [04:21] you know you can replace "a.t.m." with the word "now" and it is easier to type :) [04:21] nah it works for me [04:21] atm is also acceptable :) [04:21] you can make it long with this "at this moment in time" [04:21] longer [04:22] or you can stop breaking my balls about grammar, when I try and help someone [04:22] :D [04:22] well, i fixed it myself [04:23] i dont know if it is a grammar issue, just sounds wordy :) [04:23] mordy, and what was the cause? [04:23] fahget'bout it [04:23] CONFIG_UNIX needs to be set to y [04:23] what does that do? heh sounds important [04:24] udev depends on it [04:24] oops [04:26] mordy, so is it working now a.t.m [04:26] well, i have other problems, but i can look at them later on.. at least it works and i have a somewhat normal system [04:26] oh yea sorry for busting your balls [04:27] mordy, so /dev is populating? [04:27] yes :) [04:27] mordy, how's about the IRQ conflict in dmesg? [04:28] well, there's no error here with the IRQ [04:28] heh, ignorance is bliss :) [04:28] i'm reading dmesg to see what's going on now [04:28] mordy, now did you add in that option in kernel .config for the kernel to auto control the IRQ's [04:28] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [04:29] old_fogie... well, the IRQ thing never bothered me with my custom kernel [04:29] ok then my next compilation gonna be on debian 64 :) [04:29] kiddin, i don't use debian [04:29] there are so many options in the config.. most of them not relevant [04:29] CONFIG_IRQBALANCE ? [04:29] no such option [04:30] yea it's there you skipped it, ok [04:30] well maybe some bug in 27 got ironed out in 28 [04:30] Man46423 (n=R5464@ll62-68-188-251-62.ll62.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [04:30] i did a grep on the confi, didn't find it [04:31] it's in 2.6.28 I have one here that as it [04:31] i think i saw irqbalance as a kernel parameter you can use from that txt (kernel-parameters.txt) [04:31] old_fogie, perhaps you can tell me which line? [04:31] line 260 [04:31] under "Processor type and features" [04:32] Old_Fogie: http://picasaweb.google.com/slacktop/HaveACigar# [04:32] slackware support this graphic card "SiS Mirage 3" ? [04:33] old_fogie: it's not there. perhaps it's due to the type of cpu i selected [04:33] Man46423, vesa driver supports everything. [04:33] mordy, don't know [04:34] dtanner, I'm soo jealous :) [04:34] dtanner, I'm working boxed optimo admirals,heh [04:34] condurre (n=condurre@c-24-130-254-64.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:34] tho I do like them, there's no comparison, heh [04:34] nice [04:34] ok I am off to bed slackers [04:35] night dtanner [04:35] later [04:35] whoohoo! nfsd gives a kernel oops [04:35] lol [04:35] mordy, you can press "/" to search while configin the kernel with make menuconfig [04:35] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [04:35] tank-man, i know that [04:35] slackboy, so slack work on SiS Mirage 3 100% ? [04:36] i use / for just about anything to search [04:36] i think slackboy is a bot [04:36] Man46423, 99%. no one can give you 100% assurance in anything :) [04:38] i like buy a laptop witch SiS Mirage 3 , and i do not know if slackware work in this graphic card [04:38] Man46423, that must be an old one? [04:39] oh, no, that's a recent one :) [04:40] Man46423, according to the manpage, the sis driver in Slckware supports (assuming it's updated by xorg dev's ) # SiS5597/5598 SiS530/620 SiS6326/AGP/DVD SiS300/305 SiS540 SiS630/730 SiS315/E/H/PRO SiS550/551/552 SiS650/651/661/741 SiS330 (Xabre) SiS760/761 XGI Volari V3/V5/V8 XGI Volari Z7 [04:41] Man46423, theres a link to in the manpage for options of the driver at http://www.winischhofer.at/linux-sisvga.shtml [04:41] s/link too [04:41] Old_Fogie, thank you ! [04:41] yw [04:42] url is a "stolen" domain [04:42] you're kidding [04:42] full of ads [04:42] ridiculous [04:42] slava_dp, Fujitsu Siemens ESPRIMO Mobile V5535 , celeron M , 1GO ram [04:43] tank-man, just checked, agree :) [04:43] Man46423, ok :) [04:44] 3 days, 13:59 <-- time to build kde3 here :) [04:44] has anyone built kde 4.1.4 yet? [04:44] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:44] yes [04:45] actually 4.2 iirc [04:45] Old_Fogie, does is lag as much? [04:45] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:45] I didn't build it [04:46] slava_dp, you asked if anyone built it :) th_rice___, alien_bob___, v_batts___ (I put _ in there so as not to ping them)and few others built it and it's available for download [04:47] slava_dp, it's at the cardinal server in vbatt_s' direcotry [04:48] condurre (n=condurre@c-24-130-254-64.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info/" [04:48] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:49] Old_Fogie, hmm, could you be a little more precise please? [04:49] people have binaries built for slack, the kde one that came out this past week. [04:50] Old_Fogie, i mean with the link :) I'd like to get it, but i don't know what's the cardinal server :) [04:50] oh, do you mean slackware.com? [04:50] http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/kde/ [04:50] thanks man [04:50] :) [04:52] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:53] nooper (n=nooper@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:54] ;]]] [04:55] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [04:55] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [04:56] compiling again... lol [04:56] i'm very lucky i have this processor [04:57] lol [04:57] compiling here as well [04:57] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [04:59] mwendi (n=ledre@120.163.20.84) joined ##slackware. [04:59] it's almost as quick to compile the kernell as it is to download the entire package [05:00] my conky shows 100% cpu usage [05:02] conky? [05:02] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:02] ya [05:02] what's that [05:03] a light-weight system monitor. [05:03] hmm... maybe i should look into it [05:03] i use the xfce4 panel [05:03] i use fluxbox [05:03] so it matches nicely [05:04] does it work as a background? [05:04] can work as anything u want [05:04] lol [05:04] mordy, it sits on your desktop. google 'conky linux' and look at some images [05:04] hmm... maybe once i set up this kernel :P [05:05] my BOINC crunching for the World Community Grid gives me 100% cpu usage all the time :) [05:06] BOINC? [05:06] distributed computing client [05:06] world community grid? is that like some kind of "Cpu charity" thingy? [05:06] exactly [05:06] slava_dp: pipebench: [05:07] nlhub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:07] pipebench (1) - Shows speed of stdin/stdout communication [05:07] apropos pipebench: pipebench: nothing appropriate [05:07] mwendi (n=ledre@120.163.20.84) left irc: "Leaving" [05:08] errordeveloper, i don't have it :) [05:08] bash# wtf pipebench [05:08] Gee... I don't know what pipebench means... [05:09] pipebench: ikea distributed processing? [05:09] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [05:09] it also shows total trafic [05:09] well, just the question was more about [05:09] tar cf - $argv[1] | md5sum - [05:09] Channel flood from errordeveloper -- kicking [05:09] ^idea [05:09] to check-sum a directory [05:09] errordeveloper kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [05:10] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:10] fail :) [05:10] [MA]Amine_ (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [05:10] well, sorry [05:11] slackboy: i didn't intend to, pardon [05:11] he's a bot [05:11] i know .. [05:11] seems his pipebench is bigger than yours :) [05:12] so why 'tar cf - DIR | md5sum -' won't work as expected? [05:12] if i copy the same dir on another fs the check-sum is defferent! [05:12] and ACPI works normally with this kernel [05:13] although i still can't do anything with cpufreq :( [05:13] there should be some kind of command line interface i can use with it, no? [05:13] mordy: dmesg [05:13] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:13] Nick change: [MA]Amine_ -> [MA]Amine [05:13] errordeveloper, that's because different filesystems have different directory sizes i suppose (and if you change 1 bit the checksum is different) [05:14] I'm working with conky, but i have a dual monitor setup and it is appearing on the second monitor, i don't see where you can set which you'd like it to be on :/ [05:14] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [05:14] errordeveloper, try without the trailing - [05:14] I've yet to ever move a *.tar *.tar.bz2 *.tar.gz from one file system to another, either locally, usb, cd, nfs, samba and I do hash alot with krusader as I have some buggy boxen fwiw [05:14] hmm... my disk cache reads are a bit quicker with this kernel too :) [05:15] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:15] tank-man, the trailing - gets input from stdin afaik. [05:15] tank-man: make a temp file ..yeah i was thinng, but why stdin/stdout won't do? [05:15] yeah [05:15] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:15] "-" is stdin for many things [05:16] but can tar really do things from stdin? [05:17] mordy: i can see my dmesg that the bios on me mobo doesn't support the frequesncy scaling thing [05:17] so what else i can use instead of tar? [05:18] there should be a recursive checksum app .. [05:18] ah [05:18] RSYNC! [05:18] that's it .. [05:18] you want a checksum of a directory? [05:18] errordeveloper, md5deep at SBo is nice app [05:18] ultimate .. [05:18] hmm... maybe do tar twice, although it's stupid [05:19] to create # md5deep -rel directory/ > directory.md5 then to verify it's md5deep -rex directory.md5 directory/ [05:19] has alot more features than that [05:19] one of my must have apps [05:19] snewb (n=yann@h60n1fls307o1039.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [05:19] errordeveloper, i tried the command you gave and it works for me [05:20] same checksum [05:20] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [05:21] jescisp2s (i=1000@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:21] Old_Fogie: ah, that wicked! cause rsync isn't what i wanted .. [05:21] ugh.. now my network link is even worse :( [05:22] but actually rsync could the check-sum and cp job [05:22] if you use an app called krusader, a qt/kde twin pane file manager it integrates with that incredibly well, and can be keybinded to create or verify :) [05:22] but you'd need multiple runs [05:22] one case of the runs is enough for me thanks :) [05:22] and it's not too friendly the way it is .. [05:22] only for scripting [05:22] vzoltan_ (i=c3e4282a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2a7b04108e238fff) joined ##slackware. [05:23] you can also do some fancy find ./ stuff to calling md5sum, shasum as well [05:24] md5deep scripts well for me here [05:24] Excessive (i=Excessiv@unaffiliated/excessive) joined ##slackware. [05:24] errordeveloper, i tried your command and it works as expected for me http://rafb.net/p/WZo4SC14.html [05:25] Man46423 (n=R5464@ll62-68-188-251-62.ll62.iam.net.ma) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [05:26] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:26] errordeveloper, I like to use 'find /directory -type f |xargs md5sum >MD5s.md5' [05:27] "find" is not threaded right? [05:29] woops, errordeveloper the line I posted doesn't work with spaces in filenames [05:29] Old_Fogie, No I don't think it is [05:29] So it's slow [05:29] ah ok ty nathanbw [05:30] nathanbw, that's what I noticed when compring the md5deep app to find myself, was the speed, md5deep is threaded, but since most of my boxen are single core I was confused/unsure but still notice quite a significatn speed diff. [05:32] tntslack (n=will@194.219.37.9) joined ##slackware. [05:35] 130/190 MB RAM: Xvesa+fluxbox [05:35] Old_Fogie, definitely. In fact, I think the last time I did it I used something like: find . -type f -exec bash -c 'md5sum "$1"' - {} \; Which gets rid of the spaces in filenames bug, but is also horribly inefficient (new bash instance for every file, haha) [05:36] The-Croupier (i=3e26f40d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-757983e0d1368e47) joined ##slackware. [05:36] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:37] Ah, here we go. One that is finally sane (ish, I'm sure ;-): find . -type f -exec md5sum "{}" \; [05:38] old_fogie: guess what: my X problem is solved too. i can run Xfree86 and multiple TTYs too [05:38] greetings [05:39] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-fa5006f6d4eddea7) joined ##slackware. [05:39] vzoltan_ (i=c3e4282a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2a7b04108e238fff) left ##slackware. [05:44] hows slackware doing today? [05:45] tired [05:45] lol [05:47] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:49] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "leaving" [05:49] jonathanr (n=jonathan@87-194-164-154.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:50] ssdd [05:52] Excessive (i=Excessiv@unaffiliated/excessive) left ##slackware. [05:53] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [05:53] kama (n=kama@host165-32-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:55] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:59] The-Croupier (i=3e26f40d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-757983e0d1368e47) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [06:00] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:01] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [06:02] superted (n=superted@89.241.77.145) joined ##slackware. [06:07] superted (n=superted@89.241.77.145) left irc: [06:07] superted79 (n=xr893j61@89.241.77.145) joined ##slackware. [06:10] dscastro (n=diego@unaffiliated/dscastro) joined ##slackware. [06:10] dia.. [06:10] alguem ai tem referencia dos cursos preparatorios a distancia da 4linux? [06:11] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:12] superted79 (n=xr893j61@89.241.77.145) left ##slackware. [06:13] dscastro: english [06:13] what do they expect? [06:15] <[MA]Amine> LOL can I speak arabic or french too ? [06:16] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.24.149) joined ##slackware. [06:17] wow.. sorry. i don't saw the channel name!! [06:20] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) joined ##slackware. [06:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [06:26] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:26] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:28] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:32] dscastro (n=diego@unaffiliated/dscastro) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [06:32] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.19.225) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:35] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [06:37] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [06:41] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [06:41] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:44] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) joined ##slackware. [06:47] notassociated (n=notassoc@155.Red-88-0-239.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [06:49] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [06:50] the mailing list http://lists.shmoo.com/mailman/listinfo/hostap does not have a search option. is there any tool that i can use to search the archives for a regular expression? [06:51] hi [06:53] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [06:54] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [06:54] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: "Leaving" [06:55] kama (n=kama@host165-32-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:59] Akuma (n=kvirc@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:01] plankton (n=peretto@200.195.137.98) joined ##slackware. [07:03] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE91E3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [07:07] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176064131.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [07:19] guys need some advices for this laptop to put on it Slackware... http://fujitsu-siemens.com/home/products/notebooks/amilo_sa_3650.html [07:21] welsidubi (n=welsidub@proxy.amplanet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:22] zzz [07:24] hi tried to update my slack with pkg i go this error..i already disable the CHECKGPG variable on slackpkg.conf. this is my error http://pastebin.com/m1c8ff4cf [07:25] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [07:26] you tried to update? your command is to install the package "package" :D [07:27] http://www.slackpkg.org/documentation.html [07:28] The-Croupier (i=3e26f40d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-55122239f8bc8f3d) joined ##slackware. [07:30] Action: The-Croupier is watching 261 silent people in a room, hmmm what could they be thinking?! [07:31] ruben23, what did you try to do? [07:33] giuppy (n=giuppy@host212-130-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:35] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [07:35] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [07:36] lspci gives me alot of info, but doesnt tell me what my motherboard is. Is there a way to find out without taking the side of the case off? [07:37] maxote (n=mevoypro@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. [07:37] Srbo:i tried to update my slackware with pkg [07:37] notassociated (n=notassoc@155.Red-88-0-239.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:38] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:38] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:39] brb [07:39] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: Client Quit [07:39] try it first with "slackpkg update" and then with "slackpkg upgrade-all" or "slackpkg install-new"... "slackpkg" shows the right one for you [07:40] uva (n=uvamilk@220-136-230-196.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [07:42] when i tried slacpkg update it says for gpg keys... [07:42] so i disable it on slackpkg.conf... [07:43] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:43] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [07:43] then when i tried the slackpkg update this is the error: http://pastebin.com/m1c8ff4cf [07:43] Yo [07:44] i think both slak and freebsd are close to unix,right? [07:44] what did it say for gpg keys? pastebin this error message... the second command is for installing a package named package [07:44] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:44] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:44] ruben23, i don't think that's what you want to do [07:45] Nick change: upyr1 -> upyr [07:45] ruben23: i think its good policy to read the slackpkg man page first [07:45] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [07:45] also, another good security policy is to have pgp key enabled... ;) [07:46] uva: define clos [07:46] its always good to know there is some security in the stuff you are downloading .. and that the source can actually be trusted a little bit [07:46] The-Croupier:ok ill enable it again and tried.. [07:48] ruben23: if i remember correctly the key gets downloaded once from the server... but either way its quite small and its better that way imho [07:49] better that way = better to have the key enabled [07:49] The-Croupier:yes when i tried slackpkg update it ask to download the gpg key... [07:50] Action: The-Croupier would love it if all his packages/ downloaded pkgs required a pgp key ;) [07:50] well.... more uptime @@? [07:51] uva ?! [07:52] uva: If you want uptime, buy a trampoline [07:52] or a parachute [07:52] or both [07:53] ;) love your brain [07:53] parachute on a trampoline :p [07:53] LOTS of uptime there [07:54] not much seeing [07:54] very few bounces [07:54] lots of speed [07:54] superball rubber [07:55] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [07:55] @@..... [07:56] uva: what do you mean? [07:56] http://www.adlineind.com/rubbersuperballs/rubbersuperballs-p1.htm [07:56] brb [07:56] The-Croupier (i=3e26f40d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-55122239f8bc8f3d) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [07:56] plankton (n=peretto@200.195.137.98) left irc: [07:57] hey...do u use rp-pppoe? [07:57] oh [07:58] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [07:58] xaviertoor (n=xavierto@189-015-113-125.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:59] juice (i=juice@67.48.19.13) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:59] juice_ (i=juice@67.48.19.13) joined ##slackware. [07:59] bombuzal (n=bombuzal@unaffiliated/bombuzal) joined ##slackware. [08:00] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:01] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Connection timed out [08:01] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:01] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:02] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:03] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151077008.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:04] todakure (n=todakure@189.58.163.199) joined ##slackware. [08:05] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:06] dguitar (n=dguitar@cpe-72-224-221-147.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:08] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:08] bombuzala (n=bombuzal@79-64-200-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [08:08] hi anyone have tried installing perl on slackware [08:08] bombuzala (n=bombuzal@79-64-200-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:09] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:09] bombuzala (n=bombuzal@79-64-200-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [08:09] would like to ask link how to install perl on slackware... [08:09] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-fa5006f6d4eddea7) left irc: [08:10] installpkg perl-5.10.0-i486-1.tgz [08:11] ruben23: slackware 12.2. perl in slackware/d/perl-5.10.0-i486-1.tgz in DVD [08:11] Buggaboo (n=bug@ipd50a4203.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:11] odds are it is already isntalled [08:12] ruben23: then manage further perl aditions with CPAN [08:12] clavius:got error here: http://pastebin.com/m573c66ae [08:12] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [08:14] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [08:14] ruben23: installpkg perl [08:15] ruben23: what does "ls /var/log/packages/perl*" say ? [08:16] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:16] thrice`:this is the output /var/log/packages/perl-5.8.8-i486-6 [08:16] bombuzal (n=bombuzal@unaffiliated/bombuzal) left irc: Connection timed out [08:16] ok, then perl is already installed [08:16] ruben23: helping you do ANYTHING is like pulling teeth [08:17] pulling teeth is fun [08:17] all packages are recoded in /var/log/packages; so, if you have a /var/log/packages/perl-bblah-blah, it means perl is installed [08:17] More fun to just knock 'em out [08:17] recorded* [08:17] spook: :-D sorry...learning... [08:18] it's our fault for not teaching him to fish :> [08:18] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl7-71-204.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:18] of *course* he has read through slackbook.org [08:18] thrice`: Isn't that required to even join? ;) [08:18] if only :) [08:19] i skimmed slackbook, it was okay [08:19] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:19] Have a pop quiz based on slackbook and ESR's "smart questions" [08:19] If you fail, you can't join. [08:21] thrice`: Actually, you could get a comparable effect. Set channel +m, and have a quizbot. Pass the quiz (with a time limit per naswer, to minimize cheating), you get +v. [08:22] Anywho, I'se off to work [08:22] FriedBob: you just volunteered to set it up. [08:22] lol [08:23] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:24] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.155) joined ##slackware. [08:25] [ in bed ] [08:28] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.95.141) joined ##slackware. [08:34] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:38] Action: Zordrak could really do with a libmilter-only sendmail slackbuild [08:38] Action: Zordrak is creating one [08:39] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [08:41] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [08:41] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "#E>6C" [08:42] uva (n=uvamilk@220-136-230-196.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:43] bono (i=bono@220-136-230-196.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:43] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [08:49] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [08:54] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [08:58] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [09:00] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [09:03] josemanuel (n=josemanu@27.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [09:03] nargon (n=mike@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:03] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [09:04] xteraco (n=xteraco@67.133.153.3) joined ##slackware. [09:04] nargon (n=mike@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [09:05] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-68-233-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [09:11] gorkicht (n=a@e179155009.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:12] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) joined ##slackware. [09:12] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:16] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:19] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [09:21] jumperboy (n=jorey@gl206.websiteproject.net) joined ##slackware. [09:21] bono (i=bono@118-160-174-221.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [09:22] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [09:23] panzer (n=panzer@h129.24.91.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:24] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [09:24] Anyone having problems with bind after the latest upgrade? My log is filled with 'network unreachable resolving' messages. [09:24] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:26] no issues here [09:30] SBo has turned out to be quite the repository. very nice job ( to all that contribute now or have in the past ) [09:33] good morning Dominian [09:34] jumperboy: what version of Slackware is that? [09:37] The-Croupier (i=3e26f40d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-30a76ece6be62de8) joined ##slackware. [09:39] xaviertoor (n=xavierto@189-015-113-125.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:40] Excessive (i=Excessiv@unaffiliated/excessive) joined ##slackware. [09:40] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE91E3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [09:41] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [09:41] Excessive (i=Excessiv@unaffiliated/excessive) left ##slackware. [09:41] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [09:42] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.218.91) joined ##slackware. [09:42] l0pht (i=Excessiv@unaffiliated/l0pht) joined ##slackware. [09:45] I was wondering what app(s) come with stock 12.2 besides xpdf tht will read pdf files ? [09:46] dtanner, kpdf, if you have kde? [09:47] yes kde is installed [09:47] l0pht (i=Excessiv@unaffiliated/l0pht) left irc: [09:47] thanks jean-1uc [09:47] I will try kpdf [09:47] np :) [09:48] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.40) joined ##slackware. [09:48] hi, there is reiser4progs [09:48] how is good in stability (lesser probability of corruption/damage/lost of files) the reiser4 in comparison to reiser3 ? [09:50] reiser4 is out? [09:50] ! [09:50] dtanner: there's xap/gv too [09:51] I wouldn't use any ReiserFS version, but that's just me. [09:51] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [09:51] The-Croupier, yes [09:51] reiser4progs-1.0.7.tar.gz [09:52] jkwood: which fs would you use? in order of preference? [09:52] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:52] I use ext3 for everyday use, xfs if I'm mostly just writing to it. [09:52] ah... those were the ones I was trying to pry form my memory bank. Been a long year since I have been on the computer/slackware at all. I have come to the conclusion that my menory is RAM in my brain, gets erased when I sleep. :P [09:53] oh ffs *sigh* [09:53] dtanner, wait til we get memistrons. [09:53] or memsistrons or whatchamacallit. [09:53] menstrualstones... no that can't be it. [09:54] =) [09:54] rainmakr (n=awelzel@p5B04A819.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:54] what happened Zordrak ? [09:54] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:54] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:55] i went to the trouble of creating a sendmail-libmilter slackbuild so i can build clamav for postfix -- did it -- installed it -- went to build clamav aaaand: "configure: error: Cannot find libmilter" [09:55] i remember that reiserfs3 was sometimes much slower than ntfs in external usb harddisks, i don't know about reiserfs4 [09:55] Zordrak: bummer =( [09:56] as for localy everyday use.. ext3 is faster isnt it [09:56] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:58] The-Croupier (i=3e26f40d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-30a76ece6be62de8) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [09:58] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "It's not my problem." [10:01] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:03] Woo [10:04] needed to create a $PKG/usr/lib after bypassing an earlier step that did it [10:05] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:06] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.160.241) joined ##slackware. [10:07] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:08] snewb (n=yann@h60n1fls307o1039.telia.com) left irc: "Leaving" [10:10] I now have a working sendmail-libmilter.SlackBuild [10:10] anyone want it? [10:10] vzoltan_ (i=54000da6@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-039911cf521f6c8e) joined ##slackware. [10:10] not valid for SBo [10:12] vzoltan_ (i=54000da6@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-039911cf521f6c8e) left ##slackware. [10:13] why isn't it valid for SBo? [10:13] rainmakr (n=awelzel@p5B04A819.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "BitchX: double your pleasure, double your fun!" [10:14] cause slack ships with it as part of sendmail [10:14] Zordrak: why use sendmail's milter if you want to use postfix? [10:15] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [10:15] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [10:15] postfix allows for it to allow for programs designed to work with sendmail-milter [10:15] AEnima1577 (n=asdfjkl@c-71-62-151-225.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:15] AEnima1577 (n=asdfjkl@c-71-62-151-225.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:16] http://www.postfix.org/MILTER-README.html [10:16] sorry -- badurl [10:16] http://www.postfix.org/MILTER_README.html [10:17] also the SBo clamav slackbuild has --with-milter [10:18] s/--with-milter/--enable-milter/ [10:19] alienBOB: I made the assumption SBo won't take it -- assumption correct? [10:20] Yes [10:21] kk [10:22] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:22] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [10:23] could live alongside SlackBuild-sendmail-cf as SlackBuild-sendmail-libmilter in source, but then it's not technically source as it wouldnt be built as part of the distro [10:23] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-72-43-12-52.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:24] it's the little SlackBuild that nobody wanted.... [10:24] Action: Zordrak approches Disney-Pixar with a script [10:24] pun intended [10:25] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.95.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:25] gorkicht (n=a@e179155009.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [10:28] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:31] I'll check it out [10:31] did you put it on HTTP somewhere? [10:33] no.. but can do [10:33] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [10:34] its not v clean.. would need a clean before publishing.. have just stripped pat's sendmail slackbuild to its bones [10:36] what's the package size difference? I figured when the time comes to mess around with milters, I'd just leave the Slackware sendmail installed. [10:37] rob0: cant if you are running postfix .. stuff conflicts [10:38] the milter-only sb is just a small script and only needs the sendmail source tarball, none of the rest of it [10:38] 32K pkg size [10:38] What specifically conflicts other than the sendmail binary? [10:39] eg newaliases [10:40] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejo103.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:40] it's *possible* to install thm both and hack around a little... but seems more painful and wasteful than just installing the libmilter lib [10:40] newaliases is a symlink [10:42] and when you upgrade sendmail 'cos a /patches ver shows.. you overwrite it and dont realise [10:42] 32K vs. 1.3M [10:43] like i said, it's not insurmountable.. i just dont think it's clean or necessary to put all of sendmail in [10:43] um, you can set sendmail_path, but yeah, I know, upgrades require caution [10:43] its a deadrat-alternatives kind of attitude [10:44] wahcordian (n=wahcordi@97-123-74-19.albq.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [10:46] cheney is in a wheelchair today twisted his back :) [10:47] yep - trying to get packed for his big move [10:48] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.218.91) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:48] Buggaboo (n=bug@ipd50a4203.speed.planet.nl) left irc: "A wank a day, keeps the frustrations away" [10:48] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [10:48] You'd think he'd have slaves to do the work. [10:49] I guess the VP really doesn't rate. [10:49] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-fabc94c928765415) joined ##slackware. [10:50] dang flat less tires how is that possible I wonder besides a tire inside of a tire [10:51] rob0: http://www.tpa.me.uk/sendmail-libmilter.tar.gz [10:57] kitche: tires with no air is another possibility [10:57] rk4n3: ah yeah didn't think of that [10:59] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE91E3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [10:59] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:01] wamaral (i=1000@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [11:01] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "It's not my problem." [11:02] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.226.41) joined ##slackware. [11:02] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [11:03] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE91E3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:06] welsidubi (n=welsidub@proxy.amplanet.com.br) left irc: "OH SHIT!\$@#\$ My mom caught me using t7DS!   [www.t7ds.com.br]" [11:10] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:13] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-347875.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:13] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-fabc94c928765415) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:13] Now there's an offensive quit message. [11:15] eh [11:15] And I thought BX was bad. [11:16] surprised people have not started using BX2 yet [11:17] wth is BX/ [11:17] ohhh [11:17] bitchx [11:17] Ssurprised there are even people _using_ bitchx [11:17] Big pile of crap code [11:17] good night [11:18] $GOD bless you [11:18] (btw $GOD is an environment variable: if you don't like it, specify it as you see fit :D) [11:19] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [11:20] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [11:21] wakeup (n=wakeup@koln-4db42fc5.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [11:21] hiho [11:21] Howdy. [11:22] my $VISUAL var is set to /usr/bin/vim, but crontab -e makes really strange things.... [11:23] Howdy! [11:23] Hi there Alan_Hicks [11:24] wakeup: what strangeness? [11:24] Anyone care to recommend a solid, inexpensive motherboard? > 2 SATA ports necessary. [11:24] it prints my crontab file one line per return-keypress [11:24] Alan_Hicks: MSI [11:25] Dominian: Yeah, I've been using MSI in the past, but was just looking for specific suggestions. [11:25] I have trouble finding "good" mobos these days. [11:26] The cheap ones are all mini-ATX. [11:26] wakeup: tested "VISUAL=/usr/bin/vim crontab -e" and I see a beautifully coloured cron job listing [11:27] Although, editing and saving will not work in the default Slackware vim configuration of vim [11:27] Buggaboo (n=bug@ipd50a4203.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:27] hey guys [11:27] hi [11:27] alienBOB: why not? [11:27] alienBOB: I thought that bug was fixed years ago? [11:27] Alan_Hicks: hrm.. > 2 sata ports? [11:27] I've been reading some slackbuilds and I noticed that some people put a "set -e" in the script [11:27] why is that? [11:27] Alan_Hicks: hat type of processor? [11:28] Buggaboo: that will die if it hits any error [11:28] Dominian: AM2 of course. Should have specified that. [11:28] thrice`, ah, excellent. [11:28] See, I'm trying to find a solid motherboard that I can use for all the workstations I build, and some of the low-end servers as well. [11:28] Alan_Hicks: went in vimrc and was then taken out again because some people complained [11:28] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-2-16.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:28] alienBOB: works here too, but it does not when I dont specify the var inline [11:29] Buggaboo: That keeps you from having to put "|| exit 1" after every line. ;) [11:29] Alan_Hicks: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130168 [11:29] wtf [11:29] jkwood, excellent option. [11:29] why cant I save the crontab with vim? [11:29] Alan_Hicks: SATA 3Gb/s 4 [11:29] thats the number of sata ports [11:29] I really need to fix sbsuite.rb to use set -e. [11:30] Dominian: Excellent. I like having 2 PCI and 2 PCIex1 slots too. [11:30] jkwood, I'm making something like that in python. [11:30] my 2nd sb generator, the first one worked, but it was fugly. [11:30] and I tried to make it do too much... [11:31] There's a few of them out there. I was bored, and wanted to set something up in Ruby, so I wrote mine. [11:31] I'll make a sbtool and sbtool64 methinks. [11:31] of course, but mine will be the best of course :P [11:32] it's slow here at the office, so I'll hack on this methought. [11:32] wakeup: you need to add a line to your vimrc [11:32] that is? [11:32] To /usr/share/vim/vimrc add this: (1st line is a comment) [11:32] " Make vim work with the 'crontab -e' command [11:32] set backupcopy=yes [11:32] That's all [11:33] Someone in #vim proposed adding this to /usr/share/vim/vim72/plugin -- http://slackware.com/~rworkman/crontab_fix.vim [11:33] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:34] alienBOB: you know why this is nececarry? [11:34] lol at my spelling [11:34] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [11:34] alisonken1lap (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [11:35] hello [11:35] would this work ? [11:35] if /dev/hda is my cdrom drive can i just do dd if=/dev/hda of=/home/agiofws/xp-iso/xp.iso ? [11:36] Yes [11:37] thank you [11:37] crontab -e does not use $VISUAL here [11:37] alienBOB, does cdrom have to be mounted ? [11:37] No [11:37] kk [11:37] its works with seting VISUAL on the same line, but when it was set by .bashrc for example it does not [11:37] wakeup: indeed and I had to point the vi symlink to vim for it to work [11:37] cat /dev/hda > stuff.iso works too methinks. [11:38] alienBOB: pretty fucked up... [11:38] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [11:38] Alan_Hicks: aye.. and that board is nicely priced [11:40] where can I submit bugs? [11:41] what's the bug? [11:41] Dominian: Yeah. That chipset supports SATA hotswap too IIRC. [11:41] Alan_Hicks: aye [11:41] wakeup: you must be mistaken, there are no bugs [11:41] Alan_Hicks: makes it nice [11:41] Kaapa: why doesn't crontab -e use $VISUAL then? [11:41] that wouldn't be a bug in slackware [11:42] If that is a "bug" it would more than likely be upstream [11:42] how did you set your $VISUAL? [11:42] sinkigobopo (n=sinkigob@pool-96-252-87-26.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:42] first I typed V, theI typed I... [11:42] hehehe [11:43] finally I typed a = somewhere and then the value [11:43] Dominian: you deserved that [11:43] wakeup: anyway, it works here [11:43] wakeup: Yeah you can be a dick. [11:43] See how far that gets you. [11:43] what did you set it to? [11:44] did you: export VISUAL=I'mafuckingdumbass? [11:44] Dominian: now you know where it got you [11:44] /usr/bin/vim [11:45] there are some issues with vim and crontab [11:45] giuppy (n=giuppy@host240-130-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:45] regarding backup files, something like that. [11:45] anyway, it works. Just set it to jmacs or something to test it [11:45] yup [11:45] I don't understand the confusion; two solutions have already been posted [11:45] wakeup: export VISUAL=vim [11:45] then try crontab -e [11:45] Dominian is right [11:45] wait one [11:46] I'm esting to make sure [11:46] aye that works [11:46] not a bug [11:46] :P [11:46] true [11:46] just bad exportation [11:46] easily fixed [11:47] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-358938d9ed9ba990) joined ##slackware. [11:47] however, i don't think $VISUAL is set by default [11:47] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-72-43-12-52.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [11:47] its is not [11:47] you can change that in /etc/profile I think to make it global [11:47] or in a .bashrc [11:48] todakure (n=todakure@189.58.163.199) left irc: "Leaving" [11:49] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-68-233-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [11:50] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:51] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062165094.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:54] Rudolf_ (n=rodolfo@200.136.226.150) joined ##slackware. [11:54] what the option to boot slackware with jfs fs support? [11:54] slackware 12.2 [11:55] just push enter [11:55] thrice`: sure? [11:55] cos don't mount my filesystem [11:55] Did you use the huge or generic kernel? [11:55] fsck it first [11:56] If it's generic, you'll need an initrd. [11:56] are you talking about the install disk, or your regular system ? [11:57] replay (i=1000@69.26.207.5) left irc: "Bitchx: Better than peer" [11:57] thrice`: install disk [11:58] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:58] thrice`: after fsck mounted [11:58] wahcordian (n=wahcordi@97-123-74-19.albq.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:58] it'll work with the install disk. you might need to fsck the partition if it's complaining (and wasn't unmounted cleanly) [11:58] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [11:59] thrice`: yeah, that's it [11:59] thrice`: thanks a lot [11:59] sure thing [12:03] kama (n=kama@host165-34-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:04] slackbunny (n=slackbun@173.9.254.98) joined ##slackware. [12:06] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:06] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [12:07] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [12:08] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [12:11] kama (n=kama@host165-34-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:11] v4nelle (n=van@adsl96-121.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:13] lvdveen (n=corencor@ip5457c96e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:15] hey can you recover from a vfat ssd card ? [12:15] hey can you recover data from a vfat ssd card ? [12:15] lvdveen (n=corencor@ip5457c96e.direct-adsl.nl) left ##slackware. [12:15] Rudolf_ (n=rodolfo@200.136.226.150) left ##slackware. [12:15] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:17] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:19] Action: edman007 notes how silent it is right now [12:20] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-4-99-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:21] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:21] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:22] inaugration [12:22] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:22] Dominian is it you that has the sight on how to setup postfix ? If so what is the url ? [12:23] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.226.41) left irc: ":wq" [12:23] wiki.slackadelic.com [12:23] s/sight/site/ and ^^^ [12:23] thank you sir [12:23] slackbunny: its a guide.. not a complete howto mind you [12:23] Dominian: go update it :P [12:23] its a start for me :) [12:23] What is int hat guide worked for me. doesn't mean you won't have issues.. so pelase be prepared [12:23] BP{k}: update it with..? [12:23] BP{k}: everything on there is correct :P [12:23] fair enough :) [12:23] keveam (n=chatzill@209.7.221.194) joined ##slackware. [12:23] although there are a few things I'd like to add [12:24] and I want to do an "addition" to it for getting maia mailguard working with postfix [12:24] although those tutorials are a dime a dozen [12:24] but things directly for slack are gold for me [12:24] true [12:24] wel/win 18 [12:24] bah. [12:25] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:26] wel/fail 19 [12:26] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:28] wahcordian (n=wahcordi@97-123-74-19.albq.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [12:33] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-4-99-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:33] Avelino (n=Avelino@mail.paterno.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:34] Ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) joined ##slackware. [12:34] root (n=root@114-232-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz) joined ##slackware. [12:34] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:35] hi all. can anybody please help me with rt73 wireless card and slackware 12.2? [12:35] Nick change: root -> merlyn [12:35] ifconfig doesn't see it, but iwconfig do [12:35] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [12:36] and airodump-ng whows No such file or directory. (wlan0) [12:36] Buggaboo (n=bug@ipd50a4203.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:36] Iis there a way I can make my user account the ability to manage ifconfig for my eth0 and wlan0 devices? [12:36] I have bash scripts that require me to use a terminal just to run them since I have to su. [12:37] wahcordian: check if sudo does what you need [12:37] I woudl set sudo up for those requirements [12:38] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-347875.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:38] merlyn: I bet if you check dmesg, you'll find out you're missing the firmware. [12:39] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:39] jkwood: wow, really. is available on some slackware packages please? Noone was needed in FreeBSD, so i couldn't know [12:40] jkwood: thanks :-) [12:41] wamaral (i=1000@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:42] Hmm... I'm trying to remember which one it is. [12:42] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [12:43] wamaral2 (i=1000@187.35.237.123) joined ##slackware. [12:43] thrice`, would that be in the sudoers config file? [12:43] thrice`, thanks for the tip I'll do a little searching. [12:43] yep - "visudo" will let you edit it [12:43] merlyn: http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/slackware/n/rt71w-firmware-1.8-fw-1.tgz [12:44] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:44] vim thrice` do I need to make a symbolic link to ifconfig in /usr/bin? I remember doing this before but it couldn't find the actual devices using sudo. [12:44] maybe something like: %wheel ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: /sbin/dhcpcd [12:44] jkwood: thanks a lot [12:44] or whatever command you want to run without password [12:44] keveam (n=chatzill@209.7.221.194) left ##slackware. [12:45] or change %wheel (the group) to a specific user [12:45] No problem. It's not immediately obvious that you need that one. [12:46] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.40) left irc: [12:46] sweet thanks thrice` [12:47] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:48] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:49] Mad_Dud (i=1000@c108-226.icpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:49] infernal_jesus (n=igor@unaffiliated/infernaljesus/x-763248) joined ##slackware. [12:49] does the % sign in sudoers denote a group as opposed to a user? [12:50] %wheel ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /sbin/dhcpcd /sbin/ifconfig /sbin/iwconfig [12:50] does that look like the right format? [12:51] jonathanr (n=jonathan@87-194-164-154.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:51] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [12:51] sorry thrice` I'll check the man page, you've already pointed me in the right direction. Thanks again. [12:52] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:52] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:52] wahcordian, you're missing an ALL. [12:52] Has anybody had any luck getting compiz-fusion working w/ xfce4? I always lose my window decorators. [12:52] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:52] wahcordian, works for me [12:52] infernal_jesus, before the NOPASSWD part? [12:53] wahcordian, no, sorry. I overlooked that part. [12:53] Didn't see the NOPASSWD: :D [12:53] wahcordian, yeah, the line looks correct. [12:53] slackytude, what do you use for your window decorations? [12:54] all I want is transparency and zoom... I'd like to use emerald if possible tho. [12:54] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [12:55] wahcordian, if you have enough memory, CPU and video memory resources to rum compiz-fusion, why are you running XFCE? [12:55] because it's fast and simple. [12:55] Oh. [12:55] don't have gnome and i mostly only use kde for konqueror. [12:56] great app. [12:56] wahcordian, if Im using comppiz, emerald [12:57] slackytude, what does your startup script look like? [12:57] wahcordian, I dont use a start up script [12:57] wahcordian, I use fusion-icon [12:58] I tried that when my startup-script didn't work. still had the same problem. [12:58] Action: slackytude shrugs [12:58] just tell it to relad window decorator [12:58] reload [12:58] me__ (n=me_@78.147.235.154) joined ##slackware. [12:58] evo- (n=evo@wrzb-5f75b633.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [12:58] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.3) joined ##slackware. [12:58] slackytude, in bash? [12:59] with fusion-icon [13:00] slackboy, yeah there were some forum posts about running it more than once, hasn't worked for me yet. it's okay tho, I'm sure I'm just missing something. I am running 12.2 fresh install. [13:00] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [13:00] hello [13:01] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [13:03] when you change sudoers do you need to run anything for it to update or does it just work? [13:03] should just work [13:04] tribeca (n=naitso@host1-46-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:04] merlyn (n=root@114-232-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz) left irc: "leaving" [13:04] oh wait it works. sweet. I love slackware... it makes you learn. [13:04] I would say it expects you to learn... [13:04] doesn't actually make you ;0 [13:05] Dominian, true. [13:05] listen to the reverend [13:05] hi world [13:05] now if I could just stop using slapt-get and sit down to make my own packages. =) [13:05] Action: slackytude is trapped in univeristy [13:06] help! Im taken hostage by computer nerds [13:06] wahcordian, did someone point you to SBo already? [13:06] wahcordian: http://slaxer.com/myscripts/sbsuite.rb [13:06] It's a start. [13:06] wahcordian: Dump slapt-get; use slackpkg [13:06] I have a 8 usb flash mem stick. Is it possible to put all install files on it and install slackware via it? [13:06] 8 gb * [13:07] gynterk: look at usbboot.img [13:07] but yeah I don't see a problem with it [13:07] gynterk, should work [13:07] Dominian, package managment is so convenient. [13:07] unless it breaks [13:07] he 'usbboot.img' file is a 25 MB small USB boot image that you can [13:07] use to boot into the Slackware setup program. The mini image does not [13:07] contain any installable Slackware package. [13:07] Action: slackytude recalls rpm hell [13:08] basically I should use usbboot.img and put all installers to usbstick? [13:08] should .iso files be unpacked as package tree or just .iso work fine? [13:09] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [13:09] gynterk, .iso should work after mount [13:09] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-358938d9ed9ba990) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:09] wahcordian: SLACKWARE HAS PACKAGE MANAGEMENT. [13:09] k, good, thanks [13:09] jkwood, yes yes I know it does [13:09] gynterk, Id just use the package tree, to reduce overhead (that is, mounting loop) [13:09] You're thinking of dependency management, which is different. [13:10] jkwood, well it technically has that too doesn't it? In the sense that the installpkg will tell you if your missing something. [13:11] Nope. [13:11] no [13:11] it will happily install everything you tell it too. you'll notice on first run if you miss a li [13:11] b [13:11] installpkg doesn't tell you about missing anything [13:11] ah I see. [13:12] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [13:13] wahcordian: My apologies for the caps. But I keep hearing this myth that Slackware doesn't do package management, and it drives me bonkers. ;) [13:13] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:15] jkwood, it's okay. you were right I was thinking of dependency management. [13:17] replay (i=1000@69.26.207.57) joined ##slackware. [13:17] it's actually a feature :) [13:18] thrice`, in the sense that you get to pick what dependencies you want to use. [13:18] Right. Also, if you want to remove a text editor, it doesn't uninstall half the system. [13:18] (true story) [13:18] heh [13:18] anyone have a slick udev rule for serial ttySX devices + useraccess? [13:18] I had stuff like that with debian [13:18] or should i make my own? [13:18] nullboy, not again O_o [13:18] lol [13:19] i'll make my own if i have to [13:19] jkwood: are you daring to say you are smarter than debian developers? [13:19] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-60-30-252.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19] you should have the training by now [13:19] jkwood, what happened? [13:19] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:20] Nigromante: Possibly. [13:20] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [13:20] oh i have the training, but if one of you fine fellows already has a rule figured out for ttySX devices ;) [13:20] replay (i=1000@69.26.207.57) left irc: Client Quit [13:20] wahcordian: I wanted to remove pico, I think, in a Kubuntu install. Fully half of my system got removed by apt. I never looked back. [13:21] :-P [13:21] nullboy: I feel like you're trying to butter us up. [13:21] lol [13:22] anyway, feel all happy today, Obama is now president of the world [13:22] some dude in my csharp class was talking about ubuntu. he saw my laptop running slackware and told me that slackware 'never did anything for him' [13:22] of course it didn't, and that's the point :> [13:22] I just told him orange is an ugly color. [13:23] wahcordian: you were taking a csharp class? [13:23] ubuntu is great tho. My mom uses it. [13:23] my mum uses slackware [13:23] Nigromante, I just started taking it. [13:23] Nigromante: I could wish that statement seemed like more of a joke. [13:23] hmm, am I suppsoed to add users to the uucp group? [13:23] Action: jkwood is taking a COBOL class [13:23] heh [13:23] jkwood: no comments [13:23] Nigromante, it's required for my degree.. [13:23] nullboy: Well, *I* certainly won't do it for you. [13:24] jkwood: i mean is that sane? [13:24] everybody must know the .net frame work. [13:24] I have no clue. Haven't played with it. [13:24] is that what the uucp group is for or is there a better way? [13:24] Action: slackytude -> smoke break [13:24] wahcordian: If you're looking to use Mono, I wish you the best of luck. [13:24] Nick change: wamaral2 -> wamaral [13:24] wahcordian: don't apologize for that [13:24] Although, I haven't tried to build it in a while... [13:25] jkwood, I'm not. Only if i have to. [13:25] Good plan. Besides, Visual Studio ain't half bad. [13:25] microsoft isn't working well w/ the mono developers I hear. [13:25] whell, .net is as portable as any other windows application [13:25] evo_ (n=evo@wrzb-5f75b89b.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [13:25] jkwood, it's freakin' sweet. easier to setup than netbeans anyway. [13:25] They did manage to fix Moonlight last night so Linux users could watch the inauguration. [13:26] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:26] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [13:26] Oh, man, I hate Java IDE's. JBuilder, Netbeans, Eclipse... they're all so resource-heavy. [13:26] nullboy: Stable connection is stable. [13:26] that was me [13:26] i ctrl-alt-bksp'd [13:26] ON PURPOSE [13:27] netbeans is fine for java development. Definitely a resource hog tho. [13:27] use Code::Blocks [13:27] sorry, it's C++ only [13:27] my mistake :D [13:27] Oh, I liked Netbeans. I liked JBuilder, for that matter. [13:27] btw, yes! adding user to the uucp group granted user access to the comports [13:28] Ivo: I'm actually a big fan of Dev-C++. [13:28] Which I haven't looked at for a while. I wonder if they've gotten their act together on Linux... [13:28] Code::Blocks is much better [13:28] Oh, right, Delphi. That was why I never played with it. [13:28] but I use Geany and makefiles :D [13:28] i'm watching the inauguration now [13:29] streaming since i have no tv [13:29] don't try to learn delphi, it's not portable [13:29] i watched it too [13:29] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:29] on CNN live [13:29] Ivo: QT-Creator is looking to be shaping up nicely. [13:30] if you don't use qt, use code::blocks :D [13:30] QT-Creator [13:30] python or perl, which would you guys recommend? Are they apples and oranges? [13:30] python :D [13:30] I watched it on NBC since I don't have cable/satellite/silverlight [13:30] heh, python :D [13:30] Last time I tried QT w/ kdevelop, I would get crashes constantly. [13:30] (CNN live, streaming with flash 10) [13:30] python - not apples/oranges per se, but each has it's strenghs [13:30] wha? [13:30] both have very stupid syntax :D [13:30] Python. Definitively. [13:31] PHP syntax rulz :D [13:31] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: "Leaving" [13:31] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:31] PHP is ok [13:31] Ruby, if there's a preference. [13:31] Ivo: flame war beginning [13:31] Action: wahcordian has had so much trouble w/ kdevelop, but it sure is awesome having a bash shell at the bottom of the screen. [13:31] indeed [13:31] i've just started teaching myself perl [13:31] vim is better than emacs [13:31] Python looks a bit like javascript/visual basic to me [13:31] gambas! [13:31] :-) [13:31] slackytude: another flame war beginning :) [13:31] heh [13:31] stop it... I agree with you all... so no flaming :D [13:31] wahcordian, kdevelop always worked nice for me [13:31] http://slaxer.com/comic.php?comic=7 [13:32] I like kate [13:32] nano! [13:32] joe [13:33] this Sun box i have is pretty neat. you can always have access to the device over serial and it lets you power off and power up right there [13:33] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-164-86.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:34] evo- (n=evo@wrzb-5f75b633.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:35] Avelino (n=Avelino@mail.paterno.com.br) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [13:38] Geany is a good IDE [13:38] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-60-30-252.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:39] Is it suitable for Java? [13:40] it supports color coding for java [13:40] so I thing it is [13:40] *think [13:41] vim is nice :P [13:41] U-Neeks (n=666@201-34-236-51.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:43] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:43] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [13:44] question for you: is it guaranteed that an USB port must supply its nominal power, despite many other ports already feeding other devices? [13:44] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:45] I think that depends on the hardware. [13:45] ip-route (n=ip-route@unaffiliated/ip-route) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:45] I've seen unpowered usb ports before. [13:46] ah I see [13:46] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:46] I would think that they should supply nominal power if they are indeed powered, though. [13:46] im in doubt if an external usb hard drive not detected sometimes is because of power or usb drivers failure [13:47] with slackware [13:47] wahcordian (n=wahcordi@97-123-74-19.albq.qwest.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:47] what type of disk is it? [13:47] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:47] does it have an external power adapter? [13:48] Lacie portable hard drive [13:48] hey, how do I enable keyb. repeat? [13:48] its a small one [13:48] 2.5 or 3.5? [13:48] 250 GB [13:48] Nigromante: how old is the system that you are plugging it into? [13:48] 2.5 inches [13:48] compaq presario with quad core [13:48] after x11vnc I lost it, xset r doesn't seem to work [13:49] Nigromante: using the front or rear USB plugs? [13:49] front... [13:49] there ya go [13:49] power? [13:49] some systems use lower power front USB plugs [13:49] yes [13:49] i see [13:49] ill test with additional power cable [13:49] thanks indeed [13:49] oh, it was a hidden feature for xset [13:50] it's not a voltage issue, it's a currrent issue to the front ports and it might be designed that way. they sometimes assume that the front ports will be used for low current devices like flash sticks and mice [13:50] only available for someone who had glasses on [13:50] I see [13:50] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:51] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [13:52] Kaapa: seems kinda Harry Potter's trick [13:56] hello? [13:56] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:56] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [13:56] my usb stack got screwed [13:57] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:58] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-59-147.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:59] Why do you think that? [14:00] when I removed the usb hard drive, the usb wifi stick got disconnected [14:00] sounds like current issues man [14:00] 12.2 [14:01] .... [14:01] current as in electrical [14:01] ah [14:01] lol [14:01] it happened too with a pen drive [14:02] but dmesg seems normal [14:02] it sounds like that system has a flaky usb setup [14:02] mm [14:02] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-60-30-252.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:03] I'm not sure why you'd blame the USB stack in the kernel [14:03] i'm not, i think it's flaky hardware [14:03] Not you [14:03] it was me [14:03] it's the hardware' [14:04] i've seen many desktop systems with issues like this [14:04] me__ (n=me_@78.147.235.154) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:04] It's your mom. [14:04] they're probably sharing the same internal port too. either that, or one of the devices is trying to somehow draw too much power [14:04] Oh, sorry, wrong channel. [14:04] [ in bed ] [14:04] ill try again... (attempting to lose connection) [14:05] nullboy: btw i fixed the issue with my custom kernel [14:05] mordy: what did it end up being? [14:05] nullboy CONFIG_UNIX - i dont' know why i deselected it [14:05] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:05] hahaha [14:05] pwnd [14:05] hey, you looked at it too;.. [14:06] ... [14:06] i've been using my own kernel configs since 10.2 [14:06] but i didn't expect it. i usually read the little help box for each option to see if i really wanted to deselect it. CONFIG_UNIX clearly says it's importan [14:06] t [14:06] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [14:08] usually, it's best to just leave an option as is if you don't know what it does [14:08] mordy: which problem are you referring to? [14:09] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.216) joined ##slackware. [14:09] the help pop up (when you press h on the option) usually tells you enough information [14:09] night all :) [14:09] Camarade_Tux: night [14:10] nigromante: udev wouldn't start [14:10] ah ok [14:10] hi [14:12] Mad_Dud (n=Mad_Dud@c108-226.icpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:14] i had to google for the answer and it wasn't easy, since the error message i got (which looked quite generic) was not found [14:15] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-007-199.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:16] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:16] Mad_Dud (n=Mad_Dud@c108-226.icpnet.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:18] hi, can you read me? [14:18] Nope, we can't see you. [14:18] yes [14:18] lol [14:18] ah ok [14:18] who said that? [14:19] sorry was looking at this: http://conchtees.com/shirt/men/obamunism.php [14:19] my usb stick got disconnected again for a while [14:20] Mad_Dud (n=Mad_Dud@c108-226.icpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:21] have a nice day [14:21] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:23] BlueWall (i=1000@adsl-074-237-137-028.sip.gsp.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:24] Fleck (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/fleck) joined ##slackware. [14:25] lol [14:25] i can haz nice day? u haz? [14:27] o rly? [14:27] lulz [14:27] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: No route to host [14:29] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [14:29] Fleck (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/fleck) left irc: "KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 2955, sources date: 20081128, built on: 2008/12/26 23:08:00 UTC 2955 http://www.kvirc.net/" [14:29] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-59-147.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [14:30] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:31] mordy_ (n=mordy@pool-68-161-205-124.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:32] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-59-147.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [14:39] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:39] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:41] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:41] mordy (n=mordy@pool-162-83-150-193.ny5030.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:42] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [14:42] Nick change: sinkigobopo -> sinkigobopo_ [14:43] Nick change: sinkigobopo_ -> sinkigobopo [14:46] kevin__ (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:46] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.225.216) joined ##slackware. [14:46] kevin__ (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:46] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:47] P4C0 (n=onetwo@200.124.22.34) joined ##slackware. [14:48] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [14:52] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) got netsplit. [14:52] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062165094.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) got netsplit. [14:52] giuppy (n=giuppy@host240-130-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) got netsplit. [14:52] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.24.149) got netsplit. [14:52] initself (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) got netsplit. [14:52] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) got netsplit. [14:52] SagaZ- (n=dbaio@unaffiliated/dbaio) got netsplit. [14:52] StevenR (n=foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) got netsplit. [14:52] ph|ber (n=phiber@8.7.103.195) got netsplit. [14:52] cathectic (n=cathecti@slamd64/cathectic) got netsplit. [14:52] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable220.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) got netsplit. [14:52] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.122) got netsplit. [14:52] WEEEE [14:53] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:53] does linux buffer tcp data? [14:55] yes [14:55] but it can be turned off [14:55] hm, what happens when the buffer fills up? [14:55] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:55] does it just not ACK incoming packets? [14:56] Ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) left ##slackware. [14:56] say if I'm writing data from a high speed connection to a low speed connection, how does it not drop a bunch of packets frmo the high speed [14:56] kamaji, TCP has a "window" size parameter that tells the other end how much space is in the buffers, the sending end does not send until there is space on the other end specified by the window size [14:56] i think the ACK will contain the window size [14:57] and its because of that option that a small window size will kill your bandwidth on high latency high bandwidth links [14:57] does the receiver ack each packet individually? [14:58] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.122) got lost in the net-split. [14:58] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) got lost in the net-split. [14:58] StevenR (n=foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) got lost in the net-split. [14:58] ph|ber (n=phiber@8.7.103.195) got lost in the net-split. [14:58] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable220.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) got lost in the net-split. [14:58] cathectic (n=cathecti@slamd64/cathectic) got lost in the net-split. [14:58] SagaZ- (n=dbaio@189-11-83-176.mganm703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) got lost in the net-split. [14:58] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) got lost in the net-split. [14:58] initself (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) got lost in the net-split. [14:58] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.24.149) got lost in the net-split. [14:58] giuppy (n=giuppy@host240-130-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) got lost in the net-split. [14:58] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062165094.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) got lost in the net-split. [14:58] kamaji, no [14:58] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn2-212-50-134-15.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] how does it know when to move the window along? once all packets are transmitted? [14:58] ACK every so many packets [14:58] oh, so you wait for say, window_size / 4 packets before moving the window [14:58] I used to have a good ebook on tcp, but I lost it :\ [14:59] from the wiki 'TCP uses a sliding window flow control protocol. In each TCP segment, the receiver specifies in the receive window field the amount of additional received data (in bytes) that it is willing to buffer for the connection. The sending host can send only up to that amount of data before it must wait for an acknowledgment and window update from the receiving host.' [14:59] hello all [14:59] oh okay, so basically the receiver acks the whole window [14:59] yea [15:00] hm, that seems like it wouldn't work very well for a single dropped packet though [15:00] kamaji, though i think there are some other things in there for when the sender does not fill the window, but i'm not really sure [15:01] okay, i'll have a read of wiki [15:01] cheers [15:01] I just realised I had extremely large gaps in my knowledge :D [15:02] kamaji, but you have to be careful with the high latency stuff, because in those cases you can have large amounts of data on the wire, so the sender will stop sending thinking the window is full, and the receiver won't send and ACK because nothing arrived [15:02] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:03] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:04] i just remotely fixed a problem on one of my clients network servers. that makes you look like a pimp to them [15:04] lol [15:04] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [15:05] now they [15:05] 'll expect you to do it every time? [15:06] nah [15:06] but that's fine with me, prevents a 45 minute drive [15:07] as long as the issues are remote fixable i'm down [15:08] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [15:09] Action: edman007 hides a fork under the mobo of one of nullboy's clients servers [15:09] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:09] i keeel you [15:09] turns out i'm going to drive there tomorrow anyway though [15:09] windows media center laptop is infested with spyware and needs a refresh [15:10] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [15:10] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062165094.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:10] giuppy (n=giuppy@host240-130-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:10] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.24.149) joined ##slackware. [15:10] initself (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:10] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [15:10] SagaZ- (n=dbaio@unaffiliated/dbaio) joined ##slackware. [15:10] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.122) joined ##slackware. [15:10] StevenR (n=foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:10] ph|ber (n=phiber@8.7.103.195) joined ##slackware. [15:10] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable220.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:10] cathectic (n=cathecti@slamd64/cathectic) joined ##slackware. [15:10] why is there so much competition in the web browser market? [15:10] http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=printArticleBasic&taxonomyName=Standards+and+Legal+Issues&articleId=9126299&taxonomyId=146 [15:10] I mean do they actually make money off of it [15:10] nullboy, "accidentally drop it" [15:11] Gargantua, yes [15:11] how/ [15:11] how does microsoft make money from bundling ie with windows. [15:11] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [15:11] the search guys pay for endorsements, and its one of the top ways to suggest the user goes somewhere [15:12] Gargantua, IE defaults and kinda suggests MSN for searches [15:12] the ads are big money [15:12] like anyone uses msn over google. [15:13] yeah they do [15:14] Gargantua, MSN was paying people to use it for a while [15:14] walk into any business and i can almost guarantee that 90% of the homepages are either yahoo.com. or msn.com [15:14] on personal computers it's probably even higher chance [15:15] internet cafes usually have their own personal websites as homepages. [15:16] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: "Leaving" [15:17] But yeah I don't know [15:17] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [15:19] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [15:21] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-007-199.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:24] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) joined ##slackware. [15:25] daidoji (n=daidoji@71-12-89-107.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:35] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.225.216) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:35] fevel (n=fevel@200.222.42.130) joined ##slackware. [15:40] NTFS (n=HulkAMan@c-76-127-215-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:40] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@c-76-127-215-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [15:40] NTFS kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Now you have another problem. [15:42] Gargantua: and dont forget that IE lock-in is great to MS, most products require it, the higher the IE market share, the higher probability you need to install windows OS and windows (and MS) based servers/programs [15:42] ip-route (n=ip-route@redeinfor.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:43] dive^ (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:44] hmm in here as well :) [15:45] higuita, ahh, yes...active X [15:45] Yep. I want to say he showed up in #slackware as well. [15:47] Action: edman007 wonders who [15:47] rosh__ (n=rosh@e176069052.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:47] NTFS [15:47] that person had been in here previously too [15:49] nullboy: i made an iso from my windows install and put it on dvd, I am running vista in vbox on slackware now =) [15:49] why's he been banned? [15:49] nullboy: vbox is pretty damn sweeet, i may setup kvm now and see which one i like best [15:49] Action: edman007 hugs qemu [15:49] dtanner: if you like vbox you won't like kvm [15:49] maybe i should start looking at a virtual machine [15:50] my PC is too slow for a VM :( [15:50] delicious Pentium 4 [15:50] nullboy: i am not scared of cli if that is what you mean [15:50] at least my room is toasty warm [15:51] kamaji: He's a troll. [15:51] jkwood: a career troll? [15:51] 14:38 < NTFS> Linux sucks thats the bottom line BECAUSE NTFS SAYS SO [15:52] That's his party line. [15:52] :| how is that fun [15:52] lol [15:52] Oh, we had a great discussion the first time I met him. [15:52] heh [15:54] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:54] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:55] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:55] hmm.. i'm reading the make help from the kernel and i don't really see any option for placing all the kernel headers, modules, and the kernel itself in a neat tarball [15:56] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:57] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [15:59] don't touch the headers, those are more related to glibc than than the kernel [15:59] thrice`, but if i want to compile another module for the kernel, i'll need the headers too, no? [16:00] kernel headers ship separately with slackware [16:00] you can update to a new kernel (and thus modules) very safely without touching the headers [16:01] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176064131.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:01] so i can keep the same version of headers for different kernels? [16:01] mordy_: make targz-pkg [16:02] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:02] mordy_: you never upgrade the system headers with a custom kernel's headers unless you recompile glibc [16:02] never ever [16:03] make targz-pkg will give you a gzipped tarball with the kernel image, modules, config, and System.map [16:03] mordy_: correct :) [16:03] since the headers are more specific to the specific version of glibc than to the particular kernel? [16:03] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] mordy_: yes; glibc is specifically compiled against certain headers [16:04] mordy_: glibc on the system was bootstrapped with the stock kernel headers so those *system* headers always should stay the same unless you rebuild the whole system [16:05] if you rip out the system headers and replace them with your current running kernel headers you'll almost certainly run into compiling issues down the road [16:05] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-194061.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:06] since glibc relies on those specific headers? [16:06] yep [16:10] kamaji: http://slaxer.com/chucks/ntfs.log if you'd like to read. [16:12] jkwood: hooray! thanks :D [16:12] U-Neeks (n=popcorn@189-11-236-234.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:12] who's NTFS in this log? [16:13] mordy_: A troll, one who just got banned from here, and akilled on OFTC. [16:14] oh, i was wondering if he was using a different alias in the log you pasted, i didn't scroll down yet [16:14] NTFS, and hulkhogan. [16:14] Oh, he started out as... Well, he's the first join in the log. [16:15] the "Fuck Linux"? [16:15] yeah, check username [16:15] what happens if i upgrade a library while another program is using it? [16:15] or whatever it's called [16:15] daundataka [16:16] what's the bit before the @ called? [16:16] auth thingy [16:16] ident [16:16] that one! [16:16] Right. [16:17] nooper: Well, theoretically, the program using it should have it loaded in memory, and will start using the new one only on a reload/restart/whatnot. [16:17] U-Neeks (n=popcorn@189-11-236-234.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "leaving" [16:18] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:18] Makaveli_ma (i=SALADIN@41.248.34.117) joined ##slackware. [16:19] cool [16:20] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [16:21] people ask me why i'm so insistent on using slack for my thinkpad. i'm using a different laptop with a similar configuration, running debian - and that takes up twice as much RAM [16:21] (of course, i didn't need to slave two weeks over it to get it working though) [16:21] which process is taking up so much ram on debian? [16:21] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:22] sQuEE (n=narya@201.253.202.23) left irc: "fnord!!" [16:22] hmm.. don't know really [16:23] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-2-16.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:24] it's not a single process specifically, but there are quite a few things debian installs by default which are a bit annoying [16:24] and having almost every single package having 'gnome' as a recommend is annoying too [16:24] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:25] see, i just removed gnome, now aptitude wants to remove all of X! [16:26] nards (n=SWELL@201-88-100-249.gnace704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:27] is lsof a good method of finding if a library is in use? [16:27] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.155) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!" [16:28] I believe so. [16:28] mordy_: Exactly. [16:29] http://phpcompiler.org/ [16:29] what the shit [16:29] dguitar (n=dguitar@cpe-72-224-221-147.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: [16:31] Ekc_ (n=iskar@90-154-136-51.btc-net.bg) left irc: "Leaving" [16:32] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [16:32] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [16:33] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [16:35] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:35] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:35] mike (n=mike@adsl-234-76-124.lft.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [16:35] question..how do you get your box specs? [16:35] Nick change: mike -> Guest736 [16:36] Nick change: Guest736 -> RawSushi [16:36] arny (n=arny@79.119.150.199) joined ##slackware. [16:36] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn2-212-50-134-15.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:36] Question. Why is the transfer rate from one of my computers to the other one, slow? [16:36] ehlo :) [16:36] which ones specifically ? [16:37] hi anrxc [16:37] arny [16:37] RawSushi: in what aspect? [16:37] sup arny [16:37] RawSushi: try cat /proc/cpucinfo for cpu information [16:37] basically all of my computer info [16:37] free -m for memeory information [16:37] dmidecode for other info [16:37] and lspci for most of your hardware info [16:37] lsusb as well [16:37] No? [16:38] hiptobecubic: who knows? [16:38] hiptobecubic: that's a question fory ou to answer on your own network.. [16:38] there's no way for us to troubleshoot that from here... [16:38] Dominian, Bad command or file name :D [16:38] Could be the speed of the network.. could be the cards on the machines having issues auto negotiating [16:38] arny: eh? [16:38] hiptobecubic: you could have issues with a switch/hub/router.. [16:38] firewall [16:39] The transfer is over the Internet. [16:39] the list goes on and on. [16:39] I tried like FTP, with ports forwarded and all. [16:39] hiptobecubic: arey ou uploading to the other machine or what? [16:39] Dominian, nothing :) [16:39] Yeah. [16:39] ok [16:39] hiptobecubic: what's your Up speed on your connection? [16:39] 1 [16:39] 1 what? [16:39] that means nothing to me.. [16:39] Meg. [16:39] fevel_ (n=fevel@200.222.42.130) joined ##slackware. [16:39] Mb? [16:39] or MB? [16:39] But I only get like 8 kBps. [16:40] What's the download connection on the other side? [16:40] 5 megs. [16:40] well 1Mb up isn't going to average probably 150-200Kb/s [16:40] hiptobecubic: I'd do a speed test on both sides with a speedtest website.. see what you get [16:40] I mean like..I want it to show if it's pentium 2 486 or whatever [16:40] If both come out with flying colors.. I'd say something between the two boxes. [16:41] RawSushi: uname -a [16:41] Action: Camarade_Tux really doesn't like ff, and benchmarking against my own (very young) browser : http://xs135.xs.to/xs135/09042/huh714.png [16:41] sQuEE (n=narya@201.253.202.23) joined ##slackware. [16:41] RawSushi: cat /proc/cpuinfo, as recommended, shows the processor specs [16:41] (named 'test-browser' in top's output btw) [16:41] cat /proc/cpuinfo [16:41] Dominian, they both were what they were supposed to be, yeah. [16:41] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [16:42] uname -a just tells youo what kernel you're running, not the processor [16:42] Camarade_Tux: webkit or moz based ? [16:42] hiptobecubic: hard to say [16:42] uname -m should give you the kernel architecture [16:42] Something between the two boxes? [16:42] mordy_: oh really? [16:42] Linux cyberslack 2.6.27-smp #1 SMP Sat Oct 11 01:18:01 EDT 2008 i686 Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2214 AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [16:42] That looks pretty damn accurate to me. [16:43] dominian: it's a hit or miss [16:43] Linux debmed 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Dec 15 17:25:36 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux [16:43] Bbl -> [16:43] mordy_: what OS is that? [16:43] what about /proc/cpu? [16:43] its x86_64, but I know that isn't slackware [16:43] P4C0: already suggested that. [16:44] thrice`, webkit(-gtk) :) [16:44] Dominian, sorry I just got in [16:44] mordy_: and I know that isn't slamd64.. at least not one of the latest versions [16:44] that's debian.. but my slackware box doesn't give me the same either [16:44] P4C0: no worries [16:44] mordy_: ha.. debian. [16:44] that's a coreutils issue with the distro [16:44] either way, /proc/cpuinfo is a better and moroe universal method [16:44] Yeah.. which I suggested that already. [16:44] If you want quick and dirty uname -a works fine. [16:44] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.202.144) joined ##slackware. [16:46] Makaveli_ma (i=SALADIN@41.248.34.117) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:54] hiptobecubic (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [16:55] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [16:55] ugh, this is annoying.. what am i doing wrong? zcat /proc/config.gz | scp - host:/...? [16:56] can you scp a file via zcat like that... [16:56] I thought zcat fed to standard output... [16:56] and i thought - read from standard input [16:56] could be.. but how do you scp that over to another host? [16:56] there's no "file" per say [16:56] fevel (n=fevel@200.222.42.130) left irc: Success [16:56] why not just: scp /proc/config.gz ? [16:57] I think you'd be better off with netcat, perhaps. [16:57] is there no way i can pipe it? [16:57] hmm... [16:58] no netcat here, and when i search for it, i get two packatges that are already isntalled [16:58] nc [16:58] - for reading stdin isn't something scp man page would mention ;) [17:00] hmm netcat is 'nc' [17:00] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-2-16.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:00] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-68-233-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [17:00] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:00] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-68-233-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:00] adjusting the time is crashing amarok, anyone familiar with this problem? [17:00] eh [17:01] I've neve rheard of amarok crashing due to time change... [17:02] like if I have a song that's playing, when I adjust the time, the song stops playing and amarok stops responding. [17:02] Sounds like a bug. [17:03] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:03] limac, recompile with debug symbols and attach gdb to it? [17:04] ugh, i'm having other problems with time [17:04] damn..thanks a lot. I had forgotten uname -a did it. now I feel like an idiot :P [17:04] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [17:04] greetings puny mortals [17:05] slackytude, :) [17:05] ^-^ [17:05] fevel_ (n=fevel@200.222.42.130) left irc: Connection reset by peer [17:05] Camarade_Tux, how ya doing? [17:06] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [17:06] wakeup (n=wakeup@koln-4db42fc5.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "leaving" [17:06] slackytude, was playing with my browser, added tabs today (between two exams) : http://xs135.xs.to/xs135/09042/huh714.png [17:07] there's still a lot to do but considering how fast it is to add new features, it shouldn't take long, and both the cpu and mem usage are half of what ff uses (see top's output : test-browser vs. firefox) [17:07] \o/ [17:07] Shuren (n=Devilman@host223-170-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "In silence we still talk..." [17:07] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:08] Camarade_Tux, nice stuff [17:08] Camarade_Tux, you da hack! [17:09] slackytude, thanks :P [17:09] Shuren (n=Devilman@host223-170-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:09] I should really go to bed now, I have a lot of work for yet another exam =/ [17:10] (work to do on tomorrow that is) [17:10] can i use JFFS on a CF attached to an IDE port? [17:10] I should be going to bed, too [17:10] gotta be at uni at 10:15 am [17:10] you can still taste toothpaste then [17:11] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) left irc: "Quitte" [17:11] kernel config reveals many interesting filesystems and other stuff that i didn't even think existed [17:11] mordy_, I don't think so : you need to access the hardware directly (or so) to use jffs [17:11] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:11] same goes for the various MTD FS (you actually need to access an MTD, not an MTD translated to an IDE interface) [17:12] yeah i guess [17:12] i disabled all MTD thingies in my kernel for that reason [17:14] slackytude, have to sleep now, see you :) [17:14] see ya french dude [17:14] mordy_, yeah, unfortunately we can't use that =/ [17:14] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "sl33p" [17:14] tbx (n=tbx@216.229.190.187) joined ##slackware. [17:15] having difficulty with normalize [slack 12.1; /var/log/packages/normalize-0.7.6-i486-1; also tried re-compiling myself]: error is: doesn't recognize aiff "normalize: WAV header not found" [17:15] Trying to figure out what the culprit is. [17:15] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] does normalize come with slackware...? [17:15] Dominian: yes. [17:15] huh guess so [17:15] http://packages.slackware.it/search.php?v=12.1&t=1&q=normalize [17:15] yeah [17:16] slackbunny (n=slackbun@173.9.254.98) left irc: [17:16] I ran the slackbuild from the sources dir, same error. [17:16] ls [17:16] eh, wrong windo [17:17] tbx, uh, I think normalize works only on WAV [17:17] slackytude: no. [17:17] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.47.131) joined ##slackware. [17:17] I have /gigabytes/ of CDDA-->AIFF | normalize --> FLAC. [17:18] I *never* use wav. [17:18] RawSushi (n=mike@adsl-234-76-124.lft.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:19] zenzelezz (n=zenzelez@95.34.76.240.customer.cdi.no) left ##slackware ("Nothing is ever accomplished by a reasonable man"). [17:19] Shuren (n=Devilman@host223-170-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "In silence we still talk..." [17:19] Shuren (n=Devilman@host223-170-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:24] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:25] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.81.247.189) joined ##slackware. [17:26] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:27] tbx: hmm, why normalize? [17:27] use a decent player, and metaflac --add-replay-gain [17:28] guess he doesn't want "ab"normal files :) [17:28] rimshot [17:28] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:28] http://instantrimshot.com [17:29] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.216) left irc: "Leaving." [17:30] jkwood: nice :) [17:30] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [17:30] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:31] Nick change: kevin__ -> keveam [17:31] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:32] fred: actually, I just run normalize -n for logging purposes. [17:33] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.47.131) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [17:36] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:37] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [17:39] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:39] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [17:41] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@c-76-127-215-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net expired. [17:41] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@c-76-127-215-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [17:41] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:41] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [17:41] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: "Leaving" [17:42] Nick change: tribeca -> NaiTso [17:43] rosh__ (n=rosh@e176069052.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Connection timed out [17:44] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:45] which script is in charge of setting $DISPLAY? [17:46] mordy_, i think x [17:47] errr.. ? [17:48] NaiTso (n=naitso@host1-46-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware. [17:48] isnt it startx ? [17:48] "On POSIX systems, the default display name is stored in your DISPLAY environment variable. This variable is set automatically by the xterm terminal emulator" [17:48] there should be a script which checks which X displays are running and would create a new X server on the next display available and set the DISPLAY variabel for that user. what script is that? [17:48] hmm.. [17:48] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:49] not sure, I would say xinit or something, but I have no idea :( [17:49] (that was from the x man page, btw) [17:49] tribeca (n=naitso@host1-46-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:49] Nick change: tribeca -> NaiTso [17:50] hmm.. that works... so why can't i log in from xdm? [17:50] NaiTso (n=naitso@host1-46-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [17:50] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:50] mordy_, on the same machinne? [17:51] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [17:51] hi i installed newt on slackware got error in compiling: http://pastebin.com/m1fe16421 [17:51] yeah [17:51] i don't know what it's reading from.. let me reread the manpage again... one sec. [17:52] newt? the telescope making program? [17:52] mordy_, man page says that if you are going to another host you need to set display variable by hand [17:52] ruben23: what does ls -l /var/log/packages/slang* tell you? [17:53] ruben23: http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=%22cannot+find+-lslang%22+newt [17:53] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:53] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:53] mordy_, but for local there shouldn't be any extra work, I mean i haven't modified that in my life [17:54] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.202.144) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:54] yeah, but this isn't a standard X install. what happens when i log into xdm is that it just logs me back out again [17:54] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:54] straterra: lol [17:55] the manpage says it reads from ~/.xsession, i have export DISPLAY=:0.0 ; rxvt & as the two lines there [17:55] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:55] maybe i can see a log file to see what's wrong? [17:55] mordy_, good luck on that, that issue is too much for me :( [17:57] hmm... "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server [17:57] mordy_, my .xsession file doesn't have any reference to DISPLAY [17:58] mordy_, hm maybe if you try xhost ? [17:58] pc40, mine didn't have it either by default, but i added it in to see if it wasn't setting DISPLAY [17:58] mordy_: I might have missed it earlier, but what goal are you trying to achieve? [17:59] mordy_, try with xhost +youusrname [17:59] p4c0, in the .xsession? [17:59] mordy_, no, terminal [17:59] eviljames: i'm trying to succeccfully log in from xdm [17:59] mordy_, hmm or in xsessions... not sure [17:59] wait [18:00] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.15) joined ##slackware. [18:00] hm, the kernel has a laptop mode? [18:01] mordy_, in the command line... xhost +yourusername or xhost +localhost [18:01] kamaji, yea [18:01] well, when i just do startx from the terminal it works [18:01] that's probably why my battery is dying so fast [18:01] do I have to compile it in? [18:01] but let me try in the .xsession... [18:02] kamaji, heres some tips http://www.lesswatts.org/tips/ [18:02] oh, cheers [18:02] mordy_: not from a remote system or anything like that? You start up, telinit 4 and then you cannot login from xdm? [18:02] kamaji, on slackware? [18:02] mordy_: Have you tried kdm/gdm ? [18:02] spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] eviljames: both of those are too heavy... but i'm sure it's something to do with some script not being configured properly [18:03] you can see if laptop mode is onewith cat /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode [18:03] wait, does X have any specific user group? [18:03] P4C0: yeah [18:03] no. [18:03] I think laptop mode is not a good idea... [18:03] it works when i log in as root from xdm but not from user [18:03] P4C0: how come? [18:04] kamaji, well, depends of the manufacturer or something, it's possible to tear and wear your hard disk [18:04] tbx (n=tbx@216.229.190.187) left irc: "Client exiting" [18:04] mordy_: please paste the output of the following command: ls -ld /tmp/{.ICE,.X11}-unix [18:04] kamaji, read the description of laptop mode here http://www.lesswatts.org/tips/disks.php and decide [18:05] "Laptop mode works by submitting all future pending disk IO (such as pending VM cache writebacks, as described in the VM writeback time tip, above) at once, when the kernel has to do an IO to the disk for any reason. By submitting future planned IO right away, when the disk is powered up anyway, the assumption is that this IO will no longer need to happen, so the disk can remain in a low power mode longer." [18:05] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:05] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [18:06] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) joined ##slackware. [18:06] drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 4096 2009-01-20 18:08 /tmp/.ICE-unix/ [18:06] kamaji, what I do is to enable acpi and set the /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor [18:07] the same for .X11-unix [18:07] kamaji, that lowers my cpu when not in use (ondemand) mode [18:07] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.216) joined ##slackware. [18:07] tank-man, is laptop mode safe? [18:07] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:07] mordy_: just to be sure: ls -ld /tmp && ls -l /usr/bin/Xorg [18:08] from my reading of the desciption, laptop mode tries to save power with the harddrive [18:08] not using Xorg though [18:09] what are you using then? [18:09] Xvesa [18:09] make a symlink then? [18:09] Action: BP{k} shrugs [18:09] P4C0, safe like not wear out the drive? [18:09] i dont know [18:10] RJ2k (n=rj@c-76-18-30-59.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:10] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:10] kamaji, what you can also do is to enable laptop mode, and check the disk with smartctl, check for Power_Cycle_Count if that starts to go up too fast while on laptop mode maybe it's better to disable it [18:11] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl7-71-204.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [18:11] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:11] sorry, no idea. I don't use Xvesa, only use the xorg that comes with slackware. [18:12] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2+2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [18:12] tank-man, i think it depends of the manufacturer... but i already lost one disk :p, it putted the power managment so low that the disk was stoping and starting all the time. [18:12] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) left irc: "leaving" [18:12] josemanuel (n=josemanu@27.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [18:13] kamaji, give it a try, just take a look at your Power_Cycle_Count counter from time to time, remember your disk has a limited number of Power_Cycle_Count, after that things'll start to go bad :p [18:14] hmm or was it the Load_Cycle_Count ... [18:14] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:15] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:15] sorry kamaji, it's the Load_Cycle_Count [18:15] P4C0: lol, well i'm having a read up of things [18:15] oh ok [18:15] imma get my batter lasting longer than windows or i'll die trying [18:15] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:15] battery* [18:15] P4C0: I thought I read that bug was recently fixed? [18:15] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:16] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:16] TheTrash (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:16] kamaji, what you can also do, is to write scripts for acpi, so you detect when the laptop is on batery, then apply full saving, and when you powered it up, changed it back to something less aggressive [18:18] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-194061.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Freedom is secured not by the fulfilling of one's desires, but by the removal of desire. So to a mind that is still the whole [18:18] eviljames, not that I know... where did you read that? I think it's difficult since it's not really a bug... just the distributions not setting a resonable value, the the manufacturers assuming every os should set a safe value and configuring the default to way too agressive [18:18] sec, it was on reddit... [18:18] my Load_Cycle_Count is 2202 :) I'm happy [18:19] no, my mistake, slashdot. [18:19] eviljames, there's a work around... to set the value to something less agressive or just disableing it [18:19] http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/17/2127254 [18:21] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:21] P4C0: Where would I go to check that value? I have a laptop that was acting bizarrely the other day. [18:21] nvm found it [18:21] eviljames, smartctl -a /dev/sda [18:21] heh, thanks :D [18:21] eviljames, how is your count? [18:22] tried to ssh in, laptop is hibernating at the moment :/ [18:22] So, probably 37137327137 or so. [18:22] :o [18:23] _ohm (n=nava@own30748RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [18:24] i think the normal lifetime is around 600 000 or something like that [18:25] I will definitely be checking when I get home. [18:25] a way to short number if it increases 200 per day [18:26] eviljames, if it's high let me know... i had to do something really bizard since hdparm didn't take it [18:26] Dominus (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:26] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062165094.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:26] P4C0: No, that's a reasonable number [18:27] clyphox (n=human@82.45.239.218) joined ##slackware. [18:27] P4C0: 600,000 / 200 / 365 = 8.2, so approximately 8 years of life [18:27] P4C0: In the ubuntu bug report it claims ~15 / hr (360 / day) [18:27] _ohm (n=nava@own30748RN.rh.ncsu.edu) left irc: Client Quit [18:28] eviljames, if it's well configured, i mean my hd last for 2 years only... and the count was around 605 000 or something [18:29] like running most stuff off ramdisk? [18:29] P4C0: Therein lies the rub, eh? If it increases 200 / day, then 600,000 is a reasonable number. Yours is closer to 800 per day. [18:29] yup [18:29] 200 was a "i think that's a big value" :p [18:30] _ohm (n=nava@own30748RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [18:30] anyways, i will read more about the laptop mode and give it a try... i already mount the disk with noatime [18:30] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [18:32] gm152 (n=gm@d121-148-136.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:35] I am running slack in a kvm guest. I want to switch it to using virtio disk instead of emulated ide. I have built a new kernel with the virtio block device driver in it, and want to boot with it. [18:35] however, lilo has boot = /dev/sda, and I can't change it to /dev/vda (according to the kvm wiki), as there is no device /dev/vda... [18:35] hmm anyone knows example of applications that use atime? [18:36] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:36] P4C0: some backup tools [18:36] higuita, thanks [18:36] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:36] but they are rare [18:36] I usually disable atime and diratime [18:36] most check the mtime only [18:37] IIRC nntp server also use it [18:37] hi guys....error on myslq any suggestion.on my slackware http://pastebin.com/m2a43e419 [18:37] i too disable then [18:37] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.3) left irc: [18:38] its only usefull for every day for fileservers, to check where are the obsoletes files [18:38] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [18:39] Hmm. [18:39] 100Mbit Ethernet, actual throughput is 71Mbits. [18:39] see if there is like new mail too, stuff like that [18:39] find /share -atime +120 -delete (or some -exec mv "{}" /backup \;) is very usefull [18:41] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:41] is there a reason for extglob to be turned off by default in bash? [18:41] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:42] _ohm (n=nava@own30748RN.rh.ncsu.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [18:42] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [18:44] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Connection reset by peer [18:46] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [18:46] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [18:46] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:48] nooper, most lokely - not enabled by default in bash upstream packages [18:49] likely [18:49] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: "221 GoodBye - WeeChat 0.2.7-dev" [18:49] P4C0 (n=onetwo@200.124.22.34) left irc: "Leaving" [18:50] hmm gnome+xfce4 seems to be a nice thing [18:51] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [18:51] so, black president [18:51] whats that like? [18:52] america just upped the ante on england and australia [18:52] is it suppose to be different? [18:52] oz have had white, male prime ministers only. no native inhabitants. [18:52] england had a female prime minister [18:53] only thing that is different is that Obama is more tech savvy then past presidents [18:53] lol [18:53] he voted for telecom immunity. [18:55] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left ##slackware. [18:56] Avelino (n=Avelino@201-27-81-142.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:58] gm152 (n=gm@d121-148-136.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:59] gm152 (n=gm@d121-148-136.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:00] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl74-56.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:01] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [19:03] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) left irc: "Leaving" [19:03] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [19:03] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: Client Quit [19:06] Richlv: whats an upstream package? [19:07] bombuzala (n=bombuzal@79-64-200-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Night :>" [19:07] like gnu.org etc. [19:09] cheers [19:10] releases from the actual developers of an app. [19:11] oh. i guess what i'm asking is why would they set shopt off by default [19:11] not that it has anything to do with slackware [19:12] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:13] no idea maybe considered sane defaults [19:14] nooper, that you would have to ask bash maintainers :) [19:14] i asked a similar question to pat about repeated history entries [19:15] he basically said "get upstream to ship like that" :) [19:15] s/shopt/extglob [19:16] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) joined ##slackware. [19:17] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:19] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "toytoy has no reason" [19:19] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [19:19] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:20] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:23] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.81.247.189) left irc: "É isso aí rapaziada!" [19:27] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [19:29] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:38] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:45] P4E (n=tgz@c-98-244-84-118.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:46] greetings, programs [19:47] Action: TwinReverb stabs P4E [19:47] I see! [19:53] Action: jonsmith1982 DDT's TwinReverb [19:53] in 1982, that's all they had [19:54] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl74-56.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [19:54] what is he, a millipede? [19:54] Action: TwinReverb stabs p4e again [19:55] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl74-56.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:55] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.94.198) joined ##slackware. [19:57] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:58] any slamd64 users in here? I know they've got their own channel (I'm in there) but it's pretty quiet. [19:59] you could just ask the real question and those who know might say [20:00] sorry, didn't know if people would get upset supporting unofficial slackware type stuff. [20:00] anyway I'm about to install slamd64 on a box, and I'm already using 12.1 on another box. how much difference is there to -current? is it in a state worth bothering with? [20:00] well you disclaimed it so ask the real question [20:01] between 12.1 and -current? [20:01] yes. [20:02] oops, looks like I got a good reply in there. [20:03] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [20:04] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:05] Garak_ (n=Garak@stjhnf0112w-142162170051.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) joined ##slackware. [20:06] Anyone know what has been changed in slackwares PCMCIA support, I got a number of cards here that use to work without any config and now under a fresh install of slackware 12.2 don't [20:06] Action: TwinReverb shuts off /etc/rc.d/rc.pcmcia [20:07] now I haven't used this cards since like slackware 9 I'm guessing, they are old 16bit cards [20:07] anyone see foureyes? i guess those floods in Washington state washed is computer away [20:07] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl74-56.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [20:09] Garak_: I'd say it's the move to a 2.6 kernel that probably did it. [20:09] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [20:09] Action: Old_Fogie uses Slack 12.2 with 16bit pcmcia card [20:10] 2.6 kern [20:10] Old_Fogie: Configuration free? [20:10] yup [20:10] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:11] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:11] there we go [20:11] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl74-56.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:12] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:12] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] roccity_ (n=roccity@125-238-240-218.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [20:15] Sanddy (i=jackchn@41.236.13.145) joined ##slackware. [20:17] roccity_ (n=roccity@125-238-240-218.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) left irc: Client Quit [20:19] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.94.198) left irc: "Leaving" [20:19] wamaral (i=1000@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "BitchX: ..(cyp): gone" [20:21] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:23] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:27] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) joined ##slackware. [20:28] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "leaving" [20:34] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:34] greetings and salutations [20:36] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [20:36] greeting andarius [20:36] *greetings [20:36] RJ2k (n=rj@c-76-18-30-59.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:39] evo_ (n=evo@wrzb-5f75b89b.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "Don't mind your make-up, make your mind up!" [20:39] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:39] evening all [20:40] salutations [20:40] hello I have a ^ [20:40] must investigate [20:41] dive^ (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "wassat?" [20:41] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:41] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [20:41] very strange [20:42] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.155) joined ##slackware. [20:46] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:48] http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/?p=8329 [20:50] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-245.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:52] Can anyone answer my last desperate cry for help with these printers? They are working in Slack, I just need to get them visible from my winbox. [20:54] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:54] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:54] Sanddy (i=jackchn@41.236.13.145) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:55] bill_ (n=bill@220.231.165.14) joined ##slackware. [20:56] bill_ (n=bill@220.231.165.14) left irc: Client Quit [21:04] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl74-56.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [21:05] bigpaws (n=karl@plns-64-111-131-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [21:07] arny (n=arny@79.119.150.199) left irc: "Leaving" [21:07] hba (n=hba@189.188.141.192) joined ##slackware. [21:11] tntslack (n=will@194.219.37.9) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:12] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [21:12] FriedBob: Samba? [21:14] FriedBob: I just installed samba w/basic config in a windows network that included xp home and vista. printers showed right up in the windows boxes (with a minor tweak to the vista settings to get started - since I had the 12.1 samba installed and vista had the newer encryption for password setup) [21:16] tuvok302_ (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-245.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:18] xleonardox (n=xlx@xleox.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:18] xleonardox (n=xlx@xleox.org) joined ##slackware. [21:19] user9835 (n=user7829@ppp-69-223-53-219.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [21:20] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [21:21] found a workaround for my pcmcia card problems, the cards that don't work are all network cards but I did find an old usb2.0/firewire card that works and I happen to have a long firewire cable handy, bridged the firewire interface to ethernet on the winxp box, loaded the eth1394 module on the linux laptop, set an IP, default route and nameservers and I'm up and online, dhcpcd dosn't work, it complains that the media [21:21] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:22] and I've got two usb 2.0 ports to boot, damn old laptop only had one 1.1 port [21:25] TheUnderTaker (n=TheUnder@c-76-127-215-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:25] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@c-76-127-215-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:25] TheUnderTaker kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Now you have another problem. [21:28] valan (n=valan@unaffiliated/valan) joined ##slackware. [21:28] hi [21:29] ello [21:29] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:30] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) joined ##slackware. [21:31] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:33] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2+2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [21:37] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "bed" [21:39] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [21:42] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-60-30-252.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:48] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [21:52] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [21:52] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.119.76) joined ##slackware. [21:52] user9835 (n=user7829@ppp-69-223-53-219.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:01] zGhost (i=dave@adsl-68-79-134-12.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [22:04] hi [22:05] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:06] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [22:06] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [22:08] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "That's why they call it aSchmuple!" [22:10] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "im am here, arent i" [22:10] Avelino (n=Avelino@201-27-81-142.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:12] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:12] sata is the big interface conetor right? [22:14] ? [22:14] sata has two edge connections; one for power (the larger one) and one for data (the smaller one) [22:14] KidpunkX : relative to what? microsata? [22:15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SATA_ports.jpg [22:15] Does anyone have any suggestions for getting CUPS setup for anonymous network printing? I've found plenty on cups + smb, and secured printing, but not having much luck. [22:15] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.15) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [22:16] speaking of microsata, we actually had to find an adapter for one of those recently. our director ran over his mac air, and bent it all to hell [22:16] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:17] ananke: what do you think of them macbook airs? [22:18] zGhost : they're neat, in terms of weight and size [22:18] worth it? [22:18] in your opinion [22:18] surprisingly enough, after being bent, screen broken, etc - this one seemed to boot up [22:18] depends on your personal definition of 'worth it' [22:18] ananke: Oi oi. [22:20] ananke: I can almost print now, directly using CUPS. But I keep being told I don't have access to the printer. [22:20] cups tells you that? [22:20] Aye [22:21] did you allow that ip/ip range to access /printers ? [22:21] I believe so. I can see the printer(s). Let me double check [22:21] what is the equivelant of netstat in linux? [22:22] if I want to see what processes are using the internet [22:22] ananke: for what you get, is it worth the money (in your opinion) [22:22] I have Allow 192.168.2.* , is that sufficient? [22:22] netstat [22:22] and to what extent if possible [22:22] zGhost: Depends on what you value. That's a very subjective question and his answer really won't mean much to you. [22:23] Gargantua: netstat [22:23] lol cool [22:23] FriedBob : that should be sufficient. what do the logs say? [22:23] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:24] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:24] Lemme check. I tried doing it through SMB. Windows can see the shares but not the printers. My mac can see the printers no problem via SMB. :( [22:26] ananke: In access_log it has a bunch of HTTP 1.1 403 lines w/ my winbox's IP [22:27] well, that definitiely is access denied :) [22:27] hehe [22:27] In there error log, I see it failing to bind to 631 on 127.0.0.1 and 192.168.2.5 due to the port being in use, then a bunch of unsupported character set - ISO-8859-1 lines. [22:28] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] Do I need to install font* from the x diskset? [22:28] Garak_ (n=Garak@stjhnf0112w-142162170051.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) left irc: [22:29] At present I only have font-config from x and sane from xap [22:29] don't worry about that yet [22:29] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [22:29] man I like them new black slackware t-shirts [22:29] I wish I could get one in small :( [22:29] I'd prefer to have CUPS set for anonymous printing TBH [22:29] I need to show my Slack support :D [22:30] nards (n=SWELL@201-88-100-249.gnace704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "cyp:" [22:30] how about you show us the entire [22:30] I've got the whole thing pastebinned alread, one sec [22:30] BRB, wife needs me [22:33] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:34] hi superGear :D [22:35] hi [22:38] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [22:39] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.119.76) left irc: Client Quit [22:39] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:40] slKIce (n=slKIce@190.148.119.76) joined ##slackware. [22:40] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [22:43] i need to make a music server (or, at least i would like to). server: freebsd, puresimplicity.net. i have an ssh account. i know how to use .htaccess to control access to various directories. i want to share the music for chuch (per our license; we obey copyright) with the band members. i have the songs in mp3. i don't want the band to be able to copy the files themselves (obviously). is it possible to do this using shoutcast or so [22:43] mething else? i ask because i do not have root access to the box. [22:43] i would also rather not use anything on the internet to do this because of the fact that i need to be able to control access and what songs are on it. [22:43] aren't fortunes supposed to be funny or poignant somehow? [22:44] (anything on the internet: something other than puresimplicity.net) [22:44] CaptObviousman, there are some that are labeled "offensive". i can't remember where the fortune files are but i think it's something like /usr/ or /lib/ [22:44] Action: CaptObviousman just got one that said "Ginger Snap" and that was it [22:45] Action: CaptObviousman fails to see how that's funny, poignant, informative, or any other classification that might be useful [22:45] /usr/share/games/fortunes [22:45] well go edit the files or something i guess [22:45] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [22:45] poignant, like the Ruby how to.... [22:45] good vocab [22:45] or maybe specify flags [22:45] man fortune [22:46] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] then check in /etc/profile.d/ for the file which launches the fortune(s) at login and change the options [22:46] wamaral (i=1000@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [22:47] yeah it specifies which files it can randomly pull fortunes from [22:47] /usr/share/games/fortunes [22:47] /usr/share/games/fortunes/fortunes [22:48] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [22:48] /usr/share/games/fortunes/fortunes-o [22:48] /usr/share/games/fortunes/fortunes-o.dat [22:48] Channel flood from TwinReverb -- kicking [22:48] /usr/share/games/fortunes/fortunes.dat [22:48] TwinReverb kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [22:48] Ha! [22:48] Action: CaptObviousman cackles [22:48] do it again! [22:48] my plan worked! [22:48] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [22:48] lol [22:48] hmm maybe sleep 1s isn't enough space between posts [22:48] slKIce (n=slKIce@190.148.119.76) left irc: Client Quit [22:48] TwinReverb: hey, uh, what were those paths again? [22:48] Action: TwinReverb was trying to hold someone's hand [22:48] /usr/share/games/fortunes [22:48] ananke: http://pastebin.com/d20569e8f [22:49] sleep 10 is probably too long, btw [22:49] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@190.148.119.76) joined ##slackware. [22:49] TwinReverb: Try sleep 1 week then. ;) [22:49] i wish :) [22:49] i'm so busy these days that i almost am considering dropping some stuff due to not being able to get enough sleep [22:50] what, like classes? [22:50] The only reason I do as much handholding as I do at work is to make the sale. [22:50] if you drop classes you won't gradjimicate as fast. Better to get them over with [22:50] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:50] full time aircraft mechanic in military (i.e. 40+ / week plus gym time + any random appointment + 12s + changing schedues) [22:50] what's 12s [22:51] music leader (at least 1 hour / day practice + writing out song sheets + managing web site for those files + any human relations time required) [22:51] other than the size of my ... [22:51] boot [22:51] music teacher (2 students presently, adding one student soon, possibly another soon) [22:51] studying for rank (at least 1 hour per day if i want to make rank) [22:51] http://xkcd.com/ [22:51] separated from family (at least 1 hour per day spent on skype with them) [22:52] (http://xkcd.com/532/ for posterity) [22:52] good thing slackware allows me to script things [22:52] jumperboy (n=jorey@gl206.websiteproject.net) left ##slackware. [22:52] TwinReverb: That comes to what, 60 hours/day? [22:53] ejm (n=tux@208.98.172.28) joined ##slackware. [22:53] i won't say i'm as busy as rworkman, alienbob, or patrick volkerding. i'm not anything special. i just wish i had more time to get all the stuff done that i want to get done. i am almost envious of insomniacs [22:53] wow, I'm glad Pat stuck with kde3 and not kde4 [22:53] well i'm suspicious if kde4 is going to be going mainstream in -current [22:53] Arch (n=kvirc@190.40.224.44) joined ##slackware. [22:54] 13.0, here we come [22:54] Unless he is superstistious (sp?) and skips straight to 14 [22:55] but aside from having awesome speed using kde3, do any of you have glitchy graphic problems with gmail? [22:55] Nnicolee (i=KaDiR@41.236.13.15) joined ##slackware. [22:55] it's like when you don't have your nvidia drivers installed and you're using a really old computer to multi-task. [22:55] ananke: Sorry about the delay there, my wife needed my assistance. [22:55] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:55] hi [22:55] hi [22:55] I new user de slackware [22:55] hi [22:55] welcome [22:56] it's funny how other distros were jumping on other historical features before they were considered "stable enough" (alsa, udev, messagebus, etc) but that rendered the distro unstable. yet slackware eventually gained those features when they were stable "enough" and the distro never broke, or at least not as commonly or as often as the others who tried to be too bleeding-edge. and slackware did it without becoming debian stable (i.e. anc [22:56] ient). i love slackware :) [22:56] ejm: My old computer multitasks very well. You'd be amazed at what a dual P90 can do. [22:56] FriedBob: what kind of assistance? [22:56] Action: CaptObviousman listens very intently [22:56] please when time life the releases slackware [22:56] dual P90? like the guitar bob marley played? or pentium 1 90mhz ? [22:56] Arch: When Pat V decides it's ready. [22:56] yep [22:57] TwinReverb: Dual proc Pentium 90mhz [22:57] i know just giving you krap :) [22:57] i ran firefox 2 or 3 on a p150. of course, it was slower than slow with xorg running. [22:57] anyways, i love you guys (in a manly / linux / community way) [22:57] brb [22:57] I just wish I had a dual 486. [22:57] think je means end of life,support for release versions [22:57] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:57] je/he [22:57] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [22:58] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:58] Sorry I no speak english very well [22:58] yeah, i've noticed that slackware hasn't grown in ram requirements every 6 months unlike some others [22:58] Arch: Patrick still issues security patches as far back as 8.1 =) [22:59] jkwood: good god, really? I thought it was only to 10.2 [22:59] While I wait for ananke , anyone else care to take a look at the cupsd.conf I posted and see if they can tell my why Windows can't print to it? [22:59] I can not installer slackware 12 in Pentium MMX the 133 Mhz [22:59] FriedBob, not vista is it? [22:59] with 64 RAM [22:59] FriedBob : what's the url? [22:59] que version slackware installer [23:00] TwinReverb: One vista, one XP Pro SP3 [23:00] http://pastebin.com/d20569e8f [23:00] damn network virginia is all fubared for the past two days. latency is shot [23:00] i've seen vista break on stuff that it was just using 2 minutes ago, like breaking connection to a router (while my machine is just fine), software failing to run that you just used 5 minutes ago, etc [23:00] FriedBob, samba is properly configured? [23:00] AFAIK [23:00] and I've seen linux do some really crazy WTF things too [23:00] My mac can print using SMB [23:00] so anecdotal evidence ain't the end-all be-all of conclusions [23:01] Windows can access other shares - trying now to get Windows to print directly to cups, keep getting access denied [23:01] yeah i was only mentioning it, i wasn't saying "give up: it's vista's fault" [23:01] I'm not even trying on Vista right now. [23:01] and with linux i've never seen it do any "wtf" stuff unless there was a reason, but i'm only one person. [23:01] FriedBob : line 16 is interesting, i've never seen that [23:01] That's my wife's lappy. I want to get it working on my XP box [23:01] CaptObviousman: http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-8.1/ChangeLog.txt [23:02] now that's really impressive. Quite the organizational skills to pull that off [23:03] ananke: That is from alienBOB 's site and/or default and/or some other doc I was pointed to, like the CUPS wiki. I've been fighting with this for like a week now. [23:05] FriedBob : that's odd, i've never had to deal that much with cupsd.conf to get it going, besides just adding a couple lines of 'Allow From some.range.*' in that location [23:05] maybe its a firewall issue? [23:05] ananke: Yeah, these are HP printers, everything "should" work almost out of the box. [23:05] not a firewall issue, since he's getting 403 errors [23:05] Rat409: I can print from m mac over SMB [23:05] oh [23:06] Can't see the printers at all over SMB from Vista (wireless, like the mac) or XP (wired) [23:06] FriedBob : uhmm, your defaultauth is set to basic [23:06] ananke: What should it be? [23:06] this means that the user has to exist, i think [23:07] I've tried my primary user account, no dice. [23:07] I've tried almost every actual account except root. [23:07] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-245.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [23:07] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-102.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [23:07] Arch (n=kvirc@190.40.224.44) left ##slackware ("So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish!"). [23:08] ananke: I want to allow anonymous printing if at all possible. [23:08] I'm firewalled from the outside world and have my wifi secured, so it's not a security issue [23:08] That way, we can print him lemonparty over the internetz. [23:08] here's my cupsd.conf from my main print server: http://pastebin.com/d1d0fd103 [23:08] from my understanding, windows will always supply its username when connect to an SMB share [23:09] i wish i could help you more, but the damn latency, and lack of sleep, make it a bit hard to assist [23:09] it's up to the server to ignore it (share) or authenticate on it (password, etc) [23:09] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left ##slackware. [23:09] so if the user doesn't exist on yoru server, it doesn't exactly work [23:09] ananke: That's OK. straterra had been helping me some earlier, and has indicated he will again tomorrow. I just was trying to poke at it some more to see what I could learn. [23:09] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:10] CaptObviousman: User exists [23:10] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-102.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:10] well there goes that theory [23:10] tuvok302_ (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-245.dial.telus.net) left irc: Operation timed out [23:10] do the passwords match? [23:10] I can access my user level shares via SMB no problem. [23:10] There a 64 bit versoin of Slackware? [23:10] tuvok302-a: a port called slamd64 [23:11] It's the official unofficial 64bit port IIRC [23:11] tuvok302-a: Slamd64 is not official, but it's built like it. [23:12] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-102.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [23:12] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [23:13] i was going to try slamd64 at the same time that slack 12.2 came out, so i opted for slack 12.2 [23:13] oh, slamd64 12.1 [23:13] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-102.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [23:13] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-102.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:13] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [23:14] Solixa (n=Solixa@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:14] sheesh, ok, so maybe my nvidia 7150m isn't what i thought it was on anything? [23:15] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:16] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) left irc: "leaving" [23:16] tuvok302_ (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-102.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:17] well, time to see if my desktop froze again or not. [23:17] So, [23:17] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:18] it's working [23:18] One of my friends jus devised a CAPTCHA method that will likely obsolete all others - and will be next to impossible to defeat. [23:18] Can [23:19] FriedBob: Are you speaking of mine? [23:19] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [23:19] jkwood: Not unless you are secretly the sysadmin where I work [23:19] No, but I would like to be. [23:19] And currently talking to me on AIM [23:20] haah, [23:20] jkwood: We *might* be hiring for support or sales, but that'd be about it. [23:20] hba (n=hba@189.188.141.192) left irc: "leaving" [23:21] Support? As in tech support? [23:21] I'll take it. [23:21] Aye, it's my primary job function. [23:21] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:21] hah! I don't have to worry about tech support. [23:21] FriedBob: [23:21] I [23:21] use [23:21] the [23:22] enter [23:22] Channel flood from jkwood -- kicking [23:22] key [23:22] jkwood kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [23:22] although it would be cool to do when my work goes through it's usual winter downtime [23:22] jkwood (n=jkwood@2001:470:1f0e:d2:0:0:0:2) joined ##slackware. [23:22] Solixa: Can you get a full sentence out on one line? [23:22] jkwood: Type slower next time. [23:22] notsure, [23:22] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.160.241) left irc: "leaving" [23:23] Solixa: Until you can, pretty much everyone is going to ignore you. [23:23] Indeed. [23:23] i'm [23:23] no wonder everything was slower than dirt..my cpu throttling was set at 62% [23:23] that's [23:24] Oi vey, he can't even complete a thought... All I've seen is a dozn starts to random, different thoughts and sentences. [23:24] okay, [23:25] Are you using speech-to-text or something? [23:25] no, [23:25] Telnet [23:26] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@c-76-127-215-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net expired. [23:26] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@c-76-127-215-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [23:26] Now THAT'S interesting. [23:26] Try using a real client. [23:26] I [23:26] hey, if I installed lame via source, but I'm going to use glaspt now, how come it's not showing up as installed in gslapt? [23:27] no idea. [23:27] Action: jkwood considers slapping ejm and thinks better of it [23:27] ask the gslapt author. [23:27] Or in #gslapt [23:27] !here [23:27] probably the answer is: "you installed via source.. not as a package. gslapt probably just monitors packages [23:28] nullboy: Is someone taking attendance? ;) [23:28] But this isn't a support channel for gslapt or slapt-get. [23:28] I'll [23:28] ok, so gslapt is meaningless if you do anything via source? stupid! stupid! [23:29] !present [ in bed ] [23:29] ejm: any package manager would ignore anything installed via source. [23:29] So is apt, or yum, or slackpkg, or portage... [23:29] well, to heck with gslapt then. i'm fine with sources [23:29] Giving up on gslapt is probably the smartest idea you've had all day. ;) [23:29] Solixa_Mobile (n=x@174.75.226.166.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [23:30] ok, sorry. [23:30] if it doesn't monitor sources, and just pkgs, then it's sort of useless. [23:30] Whole sentences! [23:30] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:30] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [23:31] Yeah i had to use telnet. it doesnt properly format my output [23:31] No kidding. Why telnet? [23:31] im in shell, cant run x [23:31] irssi [23:31] irssi ftw. [23:31] I don't even have X installed. [23:32] There's no X on my linode where my client is, either. =) [23:32] FUCK YES I didnt even think of irssi [23:32] Solixa (n=Solixa@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: [23:33] root (n=root@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:33] alrighty [23:33] good ole root [23:33] You'll be wanting to change that nickname. ;) [23:33] yeah [23:33] thou shalt not [23:33] brb [23:33] quit [23:33] you also want to create a user account [23:33] Also, ircing as root tends to be frowned upon. ;) [23:33] FAIL [23:33] jkwood (n=jkwood@2001:470:1f0e:d2:0:0:0:2) left irc: "leaving" [23:33] oh hai .. you can haz / [23:33] Yeah, i have user accounts [23:33] root users on irc aren't the brightest [23:33] o hai, thank yew for yur / [23:33] jkwood (n=jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) joined ##slackware. [23:33] root (n=root@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [23:34] Oh screw me... [23:34] jkwood: No thanks, you are not really my type. [23:34] straterra!! ^^ [23:34] xeon (n=xeon@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:34] forgot i was root, haah. [23:34] NOOOOOOOO [23:34] does n= mean it was a verified ident? [23:34] man, i hate compiling ffmpeg from source [23:35] aka... not ~ident [23:35] name= [23:35] n= [23:35] I think? [23:35] ejm: it's a bit of a pain with some deps, yeah. [23:35] I'm not used to these new fangled idents [23:35] Action: zGhost used to be around here on freenode during the dancer-ircd days :D [23:35] Okay! Now that I can actually type regular sentences... [23:35] (: Anyone care to help me fix my problem? [23:36] Depends.. we haven't seen the problem yet. [23:36] i never have figured it out. there was a program that allowed you to convert movies into mp4 ipod types, and then using gtkpod, transfer them onto your ipod [23:36] Nnicolee (i=KaDiR@41.236.13.15) left irc: No route to host [23:36] ejm: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/multimedia/ffmpeg/ [23:36] it used ffmpeg, and anyway, it was so messed up by the time i got to it that i said 'heck with it' [23:37] FriedBob - Well, I installed my nVidia drvers last night, because i wanted a larger rez, and I try to startx afterwards, and xdm, and it gives me a black screen, and that's it. Freezes. [23:37] Solixa_Mobile (n=x@174.75.226.166.in-addr.arpa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:37] ^ my phone >_< [23:37] xeon: I can't help you. I don't use X at all. [23:37] But I am sure someone here can [23:37] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [23:37] did you uninstall your previous nvdia versions? [23:37] I'm not gunna lie, i kinda like this.. [23:38] ejm, it was a fresh install, there were no previus nvidia version. [23:38] no! you have to use X! [23:38] ok [23:38] xeon, like what? [23:38] which card do you have? [23:38] Cann0n: not having X [23:38] ejm: nvidia 8700M GT [23:38] The hard path is the best to learn (: [23:38] X is overrated. [23:39] ok. I've heard rumors that the 8xxx and 9xxx drivers have problems, but i'm not sure as i don't have anything from those series. [23:39] Lol, seems rumors are true. [23:39] xeon, it's cool for a while. you fool with the colors yet? [23:39] the ubuntu guys are always complaining about them [23:39] Cann0n: nope [23:40] xeon, run links -g google.com [23:40] links or lynx? [23:40] links -g [23:40] kk [23:41] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-2-16.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:41] Cannot open /dev/svga [23:41] I can open it without the -g arg [23:41] hmmm [23:42] and view google [23:42] fb ftw [23:42] mine looks nice. its "frame-buffered" [23:43] Lol, mine's black and white text. xD [23:43] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.155) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:43] xeon, which version did you get? [23:43] Of slack? 12 [23:43] sorry, i meant your drivers [23:43] I don't even remember. [23:44] I'll find out. [23:44] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.155) joined ##slackware. [23:44] sergio (n=sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) joined ##slackware. [23:45] jkwood (n=jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) left irc: "Changing server" [23:45] jkwood (n=jkwood@2001:470:1f0e:d2:0:0:0:2) joined ##slackware. [23:45] 180.22 is the version [23:46] well, the nvidia site says there was a bugfix for the same version you have. it was for a xorg fix [23:46] OH MASSIVE FAIL? [23:46] yeah [23:46] Yeah... Damn you nvidia.. [23:46] (sorry to ask again) i need to make a music server (or, at least i would like to). server: freebsd, puresimplicity.net. i have an ssh account. i know how to use .htaccess to control access to various directories. i want to share the music for chuch (per our license; we obey copyright) with the band members. i have the songs in mp3. i don't want the band to be able to copy the files themselves (obviously). is it possible to do this [23:46] using shoutcast or something else? i ask because i do not have root access to the box. [23:46] slaped [23:47] and there's not a generic 8xxx series driver [23:47] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:47] TwinReverb: I would think that shoutcast or a similiar streaming method would work, so you can provide a listen link but not a download. [23:48] ^ Shoutcast is win [23:48] TwinReverb, there is a music daemon called agp or some thing [23:49] i dont recall the name [23:49] mpd? [23:50] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejo103.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Client Quit [23:51] hmm i'll try checking in to those but fwiw i don't have root on the box [23:51] well, i looked at the beta drivers, and there's nothing else availabe. there's a 180.17 [23:52] mpd i was so close [23:53] ejm, i need a stable one [23:53] dang..i'm glad i've stuck with my 7xxx series machines. [23:54] except the fan is loose on my 7300gt [23:56] dustybin (i=subx@microsoft.devilcode.net) joined ##slackware. [23:57] If you run a home server, with various computers on the network, windows, linux, os x, and various users, would it be a good idea to setup a centralized LDAP server for auth? [23:58] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:58] dang gslapt takes forever getting all the files. [23:58] ananke: I think I just fixed it! [23:58] 8k/second? come one! [23:59] ejm: what are you doing/where are you pulling from? [23:59] ejm: come one, come all? [23:59] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Wed Jan 21 2009