[00:01] <thumbs> that doesn't make sense to me
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[00:01] <BP{k}> thumbs: rob0 isn't meant to make sense, ;)
[00:01] <thumbs> can you make it a little more obvious?
[00:02] <thumbs> BP{k}: that's pretty obvious
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[00:16] <_budo> sometimes my wireless scans on boot (iwlist wlan0 scan) and sometimes it refuses to
[00:16] <_budo> not on boot but when i tell it to
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[00:19] <slak> whats your speed connection?
[00:19] <slak> internet speed?
[00:21] <_budo> it came up now
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[00:21] <_budo> it comes up when it wants to
[00:21] <lotec> need a little help if someone can lend a sec
[00:22] <BP{k}> lotec: how do you plan paying that second back?
[00:22] <_budo> not sure what the speed is, sorry
[00:22] <lotec> trying to get java working and i was adding the path for it, but i think i hit the wrong key. as now vi/vim/ls etc say command not found
[00:22] <nooblet> i love you guys
[00:22] <lotec> BP ill fedex yea a beer
[00:22] <supergear> we love you too
[00:22] <nooblet> im already smashed or i wouldnt have said that.. but thanks supergyro
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[00:23] <nooblet> whats up with vim? how the heck did they "improve" vi?
[00:23] <lotec> bah got it fixed.
[00:23] <lotec> no idea why azureus will not install.
[00:23] <BP{k}> lotec: 1) what does echo $PATH tell you?
[00:24] <nooblet> i wonder if i could install slackware drunk
[00:24] <slak> lotec, whats the output of echo $PATH
[00:25] <lotec> it is fixed.  i got it back
[00:25] <lotec> i just readded the paths
[00:25] <BP{k}> lotec: you owe me a crate of beer.
[00:25] <lotec> i cant get java in my path.
[00:25] <lotec> it is in /usr/lib/java
[00:25] <nooblet> send one to peir 70 too
[00:26] <lotec> PATH=$PATH:/usr/lib/java
[00:26] <nooblet> thanks all for tolerating my drukni stupid laters... ill see you after i have a slackware distro runnig
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[00:26] <lotec> is that not right?
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[00:27] <BP{k}> lotec: why do you need to add java  to your path?
[00:28] Action: BP{k} points to /etc/profile.d/jre.sh
[00:28] <slak> lotec, its right , but what r you intending to do with a  java librarri
[00:28] <slak> library*
[00:29] <BP{k}> slak: it's only right for 32bit versions of slackware. :)
[00:29] <rob0> If you start at Singapore and head towards NW Australia, such as Karratha, you should probably find Java in your path. Unless you do it wrong.
[00:29] <slak> BP{k}, what is it like for 64bits ones?
[00:29] <lotec> install azereus
[00:29] <BP{k}> slak: /usr/lib64/java of course. doh.
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[00:30] <slak> BP{k}, ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[00:30] <hiptobecubic^> slak, BP{k} something inappropriate going on in here?
[00:30] <slak> i thought you were talking about something else...
[00:31] <slak> hiptobecubic, r u stoned?
[00:32] <hiptobecubic^> r u unable to type short words?
[00:32] <BP{k}> lotec: 1) if you install jre, it installs jre.sh. all you need to do is log out and back in .. or source that file (not run it, source it). and java should be added to your path. Java is already installed by default when you do a full install anyway.
[00:32] <jeev> pos VISTA!
[00:32] <lotec> BP ok ill log out see what happens
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[00:36] <lotec> hum still no go
[00:39] <slak> lotec, you wanted just by chance be more specific on what you're intending to do exactly it'd be easier to help.
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[00:40] <lotec> slak here yea go  http://pastebin.com/m46d589d0
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[00:43] <slak> lotec, ok if you have installed jave using the info on site, it has been installed in your /usr/local/java
[00:43] <slak> check that out
[00:43] <slak> using the tutorial on javas site i meant
[00:44] <lotec> slak correct it is in /usr/local/java
[00:44] <slak> ding!
[00:44] <BP{k}> failboat arriving at peer 1
[00:45] <slak> the application you're trying to install is looking in wrong place for java
[00:45] <lotec> i checked that with echo $JAVA_HOME/usr/lib/java
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[00:46] <dive> lotec, I used to use azureus until they added the media player crap to it. If you want a good gui torrent client check out qbittorrent.
[00:46] <lotec> dont need GUI i want web interface
[00:46] <slak> you got 2 options from here: 1) reinstall java in right location. 2) get the source and recompile with --prefix-yourrightpath
[00:47] <antiwire> you installed java yourself when Slackware has JRE and JDK packages?
[00:47] <dive> qbittorrent has a web interface
[00:47] <dive> lotec, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/qbittorrent/
[00:47] <lotec> it is on my server. been using rtorrent threw cmd line for a few years now.  just wanted to make it a little easier without having to enable everything else
[00:47] <chopp> transmission has that also
[00:47] <dive> although hmm, might need latest version for web if
[00:47] <lotec> does qbittorrent have the web interface by default?
[00:48] <dive> yes from version 1 on I believe
[00:48] <lotec> hum ok, have ot reasearch it.
[00:48] <lotec> i just did a google search for torrent web interface
[00:48] <lotec> ill give this one a shot
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[00:49] <dive> vuse/azureus is a pile of bloat
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[00:49] <dive> qbittorrent needs qt4 though
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[00:49] <dive> not sure about transmission, perhaps that would be better
[00:50] Action: supergear likes ktorrent
[00:50] <lotec> gt4 is easy to install
[00:50] <dive> lotec, when you say be default, do you mean activated on install? Because, no you have to go into options to turn it on I believe
[00:51] <supergear> gt4?
[00:51] <dive> or at least look for the config file and edit it
[00:52] <lotec> erm qt4
[00:53] <supergear> i don't mind qt4
[00:53] <supergear> since i use kde 4
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[00:56] <dive> lotec, but hang on, you want a web interface for a headless server without booting X?
[00:56] <dive> or how?
[00:56] <lotec> dive yes. headless server web interface for bittorrent
[00:57] <dive> well azurues/vuze has a gui
[00:57] <lotec> so i type in my ip address and port number and i get a place to load a bittorrent
[00:57] <timahvo1> dive: torrentflux?
[00:57] <lotec> vezu has a pkg for it
[00:57] <dive> lotec, pkg for what? Just the web interface?
[00:57] <lotec> dive yes.
[00:57] <supergear> Vuze is aweful
[00:57] <dive> ah
[00:57] <lotec> install vezu
[00:58] <lotec> then add a pkg for the web interface
[00:58] <lotec> timahvol: i seen torrentflux but i have to enable php/etc to get it working
[00:59] <lotec> http://azureus.sourceforge.net/plugin_details.php?plugin=webui&docu=1#1  web interface pkg for vezu
[01:00] <dive> lotec, "Restart Azureus and configure the plugin via view->configuration->plugins->Swing Web Interface "
[01:00] <dive> so you do need to start the gui
[01:01] <chopp> deluge also can run as a daemon that can be connected to remotely.
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[01:04] <lotec> ill give qbittorrent a try
[01:04] <lotec> see how it works
[01:04] <lotec> where is the .conf stored for it?
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[01:04] <odla> when do you guys think 13.0 will be released?
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[01:05] <tank-man> odla, what specific feature of 13.0 are you interested in?
[01:05] <antiwire> odla: tonight
[01:05] <tank-man> or just the version number :)
[01:05] <dive> lotec, ~/.config/qBittorrent
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[01:05] <lotec> dive thanks
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[01:05] <odla> tank-man: well kde4 ... and i haven't installed slackware yet so i want to wait till 13.0 is out
[01:06] <dive> lotec, but it won't work without X running...
[01:06] <lotec> still building qt
[01:06] <odla> tank-man: i don't want to install 12.2 and then have to upgrade or reinstall
[01:06] <lotec> huh?
[01:06] <dive> lotec, you want non-gui?
[01:06] <lotec> i thought that was azuraus you were talking about
[01:06] <dive> qbittorrent is also gui
[01:06] <lotec> yea has to be non gui.
[01:06] <lotec> i dont even have x on the comp
[01:07] <lotec> looks like i might try wtorrent then. web gui for rtorrent
[01:07] <dive> right so neither vuze or qbittorrent will be any good
[01:07] <odla> antiwire: 13.0 will be released tonight, huh? i have some doubts ...
[01:07] <lotec> i just did not want to enable php and all the other things
[01:08] <antiwire> odla: then stop asking that question
[01:08] <dive> do you need a webserver running then?
[01:08] <lotec> dive http://www.wtorrent-project.org/trac/wiki/wTorrentInstall
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[01:08] <lotec> nope no web server on it
[01:08] <odla> antiwire: sorry i asked it once ... and responded to you
[01:08] <antiwire> odla: just wait until it is released
[01:08] <rworkman> Nobody here knows when it will be released.
[01:08] <rworkman> s/here//
[01:09] <antiwire> http://www.slackware.com/faq/do_faq.php?faq=general#5
[01:09] <lotec> dive: well apache is on it and configured. just nothing is turned on
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[01:09] <alisonken1noc> sure we do - "when it's ready" :)
[01:09] <rworkman> :)
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[01:10] <alisonken1noc> I'm still betting before christmas
[01:10] Nick change: silvergold -> Guest24673
[01:10] Nick change: Guest24673 -> fire|bird
[01:10] <dive> lotec, that _does_ look highly complex. To be honest if I were you I would look for something else
[01:11] <lotec> lol, well there is
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[01:11] <dive> it's a lot of bother for a simple web interface
[01:12] <dive> what exactly is the problem with rtorrent then?
[01:12] <lotec> not a problem
[01:12] <lotec> just ssh into the server and use screen
[01:12] <dive> you could run it in screen and ssh into it
[01:12] <dive> yeah
[01:12] <lotec> but a web gui for it would just be easier. or nicer i guess
[01:12] <dive> and activate it to look in a folder to auto add torrents perhaps
[01:12] <lotec> end of the day rtorrent works fine just looking for another option
[01:13] <dive> then scp torrents or use links/elinks/lynx
[01:13] <lotec> torrentflux has one, but onced again have to have php running and mysql
[01:15] <dive> lotec, well php and mysql aren't really a big problem, but that wtorrent needed a lot of config and an scgi mod
[01:15] <lotec> yeppers
[01:15] <lotec> i might try it.  not sure
[01:16] <lotec> just seams like alot of work for something that should be easy to do
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[01:17] <Emeau> betting before september :))
[01:17] <dive> for mysql I would install phpmyadmin to make it easier to set up a db
[01:17] <lotec> dive: i got php on there and phpmyadmin is installed also
[01:18] <lotec> just dont need it. i have a small server i pay 8 bucks a month for for my webpage
[01:18] <dive> that's quite dear isn't it?
[01:19] <dive> hmm dunno
[01:19] <lotec> well i dont think it has 4 legs :D
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[01:19] <dive> :P
[01:19] <lotec> http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4490449&CatId=333
[01:20] <dive> my webhost charge me £27 a year, but they stopped doing the personal and now cheapest is £47
[01:20] <lotec> picked up one of those today and 2 1.5tb drives for storage. just going to move the tb drive into that shuttle case and hope it does not overheat
[01:21] <Emeau> my no-ip account charge me free, my slakcs installs handle the other parts :)
[01:21] <Emeau> but i don't need to handle lot of traffic ;)
[01:21] <dive> yeah I should build a server and host my own stuff eally
[01:21] <lotec> Emeau i have my no-ip account for my ftp/newsserver
[01:22] <lotec> set up SAB a few weeks ago.  works great
[01:23] <lotec> ok well thanks dive.  guess ill hit the sack
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[01:23] <lotec> thanks for the help man
[01:23] <complexmess> i'm back again
[01:23] <complexmess> from the depths of places
[01:23] <complexmess> =)
[01:24] <fire|bird> wb complexmess. :P
[01:24] <Emeau> from a pussy ? ;p
[01:24] <complexmess> there are 2 things keeping me from wiping out my personal laptop and putting slackware on
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[01:24] <complexmess> the first being
[01:24] <complexmess> everytime i close the lid to my other laptop
[01:24] <complexmess> and then open it again
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[01:24] <complexmess> the monitor doesn't turn back on
[01:25] <complexmess> any idea?
[01:25] <complexmess> and google didn't help me at all
[01:25] <complexmess> i know its on and running
[01:25] <complexmess> it's playing my music
[01:25] <complexmess> but other than that
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[01:26] <complexmess> i can't turn on the monitor
[01:26] <alisonken1noc> how long do you leave the lid closed before you reopen the lid?
[01:27] <complexmess> a long time
[01:27] <complexmess> hours i think
[01:27] <alisonken1noc> do you know if it's set to sleep-to-disk or sleep-to-ram?
[01:28] <alisonken1noc> the other question would be 'how big is your swap partition?' if it's set to sleep-to-disk, your swap needs to be big enough to handle your ram save
[01:28] <complexmess> i don't remember how big i made the swap partition
[01:29] <dive> usually closing the lid makes it suspend to ram, at least on my thinkpad
[01:29] <dive> or does it just turn the screen off?
[01:29] <complexmess> i'm gonna restart it
[01:29] <complexmess> and get all that info back
[01:29] <alisonken1noc> dive: settable in the script - swap to ram is good if you're battery is charged and you don't leave it off too long
[01:29] <complexmess> it just turns the screen off
[01:29] <complexmess> the sound is still playing
[01:29] <complexmess> i was still able to ssh into it
[01:29] <complexmess> etc etc
[01:29] <dive> ok
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[01:30] <alisonken1noc> complexmess: quick check is to cfdisk witout making changes to see how big your partitions are
[01:30] <dive> and you don't have a fn+ function key to turn it back on?
[01:30] <complexmess> alisonken1noc, tyvm
[01:30] <complexmess> will do
[01:30] <complexmess> rebooting now
[01:30] <dive> why?
[01:30] <complexmess> because of my second problem
[01:31] <antiwire> cat /proc/swaps
[01:31] <complexmess> everytime my wireless gets d/c i donno how to turn it back on
[01:31] <complexmess> i've tried /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1
[01:31] <complexmess> and i got zilch
[01:31] <alisonken1noc> antiwire: thanks - forgot about that one
[01:31] <dive> hmm
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[01:31] <antiwire> complexmess: if you just want to restart an interface run: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 INTERFACENAMEHERE_restart
[01:32] <dive> tried using wicd?
[01:32] <dive> athough rc.inet1 would be my choice
[01:32] <complexmess> i don't want to use another utility
[01:32] <complexmess> i want to use what i have
[01:32] <antiwire> complexmess: good!
[01:32] <dive> ok
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[01:33] <complexmess> antiwire, i'll try that
[01:33] <dive> any reason why it d/c's?
[01:33] <complexmess> ty
[01:33] <antiwire> learn the base system so that you understand why you might want an additional tool
[01:33] <complexmess> yea
[01:33] <complexmess> i mess with my routers port settings a lot
[01:33] <complexmess> and when i do
[01:33] <complexmess> it restarts
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[01:33] <complexmess> =P
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[01:33] <antiwire> lol
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[01:33] <complexmess> lol
[01:33] <dive> I see :P
[01:34] <complexmess> cfdisk isn't showing a swap space
[01:34] <dive> cat /proc/swaps
[01:34] <complexmess> doesn't show anything at all
[01:34] <complexmess> not even the hard drive
[01:34] <antiwire> then you either have no swaps mounted or no swaps at all
[01:35] <alisonken1noc> if it's not showing the hard drive, you may have to specify which drive to check
[01:35] <antiwire> complexmess: what does fdisk -l show?
[01:35] <antiwire> lowercase L
[01:35] <antiwire> also, what does your /etc/fstab look like?
[01:36] <alisonken1noc> complexmess: please don't post your /etc/fstab here  - use http://pastebin.ca or equivalent if you want to post it
[01:37] <dive> but this is besides the point. Original problem is that screen turns off and doesn't turn on. Nothing to do with hibernating
[01:37] <alisonken1noc> that's the point - he hibernates and the screen does not come back on
[01:37] <complexmess> fdisk shows 1 partition
[01:37] <dive> he doesn't hibernate
[01:37] <complexmess> nooo
[01:37] <complexmess> it doesn't hibernate
[01:37] <complexmess> unless
[01:37] <complexmess> the computer can hibernate
[01:37] <complexmess> and run all the services at the same time
[01:37] <complexmess> it was playing my music
[01:38] <complexmess> while i was sshed into it
[01:38] <dive> if music is playing it's just turning the screen off
[01:38] <alisonken1noc> might be in bios then - some laptops have a bios that does things like that
[01:38] <complexmess> i think i read something about that
[01:38] <complexmess> but i didn't think it was relevant =P
[01:38] <complexmess> or rather
[01:38] <complexmess> didn't think it applied to my case
[01:38] <dive> you might need to make an acpi script that turns screen back on
[01:38] <complexmess> gah
[01:38] <complexmess> i don't know what that is
[01:39] <complexmess> but ok
[01:39] <complexmess> one mo
[01:39] <dive> /etc/acpi/acpi_handler.sh
[01:39] <complexmess> lemme check my bios
[01:41] <dive> and you dont' have one of those fn keys to turn it on?
[01:41] <complexmess> i do have fn keys
[01:41] <complexmess> but these are some awesome bios settings
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[01:41] <complexmess> that i feel stupid for not looking at before
[01:42] <complexmess> apparently i can turn on my computer using some sort of wireless thing
[01:42] <complexmess> Wake on LAN/WLAN
[01:42] <dive> wake on lan?
[01:42] <complexmess> yea
[01:42] <complexmess> i've never seen that before
[01:42] <complexmess> how does that work?
[01:42] <dive> you need to send a magic packet to it from another pc
[01:42] <dive> once the card is activated for it
[01:43] <dive> the card will keep a litle power to it to watch out for the packet
[01:43] <complexmess> orly?
[01:43] <complexmess> that's hella cool
[01:43] <complexmess> how is it practical though
[01:43] <dive> I use it to wake my desktop up from my laptop
[01:43] <dive> cos I'm lazy
[01:44] <complexmess> LOL
[01:44] <complexmess> i'll come back here next time then
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[01:44] <complexmess> to figure out how to make the special packet
[01:44] <dive> and then use ssh + expect to shut it down/hibernate it again
[01:44] <complexmess> also
[01:44] <complexmess> how do i shutdown from the command line =/
[01:44] <complexmess> i did some command like
[01:44] <complexmess> shutdown now
[01:44] <complexmess> or something like that
[01:44] <dive> you need to install some network tools which I forget the name of
[01:44] <complexmess> and that only logged it off
[01:45] <dive> hmm shutdown should power it down
[01:45] <dive> I usualy use 'halt'
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[01:46] <complexmess> what does halt do?
[01:47] <dive> shuts it down
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[01:47] <dive> there's also 'reboot'
[01:49] <agentc0re> shutdown -h now
[01:49] <agentc0re> shutdown -r now
[01:49] <agentc0re> :D
[01:49] <complexmess> i'll try those next time
[01:49] <complexmess> but
[01:49] <complexmess> i found nothing in my bios
[01:49] <complexmess> at all
[01:49] <complexmess> involving the monitor turning off
[01:49] <dive> then it's probably an acpi issue
[01:50] <dive> you should have a device node for the light
[01:52] <antiwire> you can try booting the system with acpi=off
[01:52] <dive> and you can usually 'echo on > /proc/acpi/ibm/light' for a thinkpad at least
[01:52] <complexmess> it's a dell
[01:52] <dive> have a look in /proc/acpi/
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[01:52] <antiwire> complexmess: which model?
[01:52] <dive> yeah but there ought to be a file for the light
[01:53] <complexmess> latitude d620
[01:53] <antiwire> i have the same system
[01:53] <complexmess> =P
[01:53] <complexmess> have you had this problem?
[01:53] <antiwire> nope
[01:53] <antiwire> works perfect
[01:54] <complexmess> then it's probably a software issue on my part
[01:54] <dive> complexmess, which slack version?
[01:54] <dive> maybe different kernels?
[01:54] <complexmess> the latest one
[01:54] <complexmess> 12.2?
[01:54] <complexmess> i think
[01:54] <antiwire> but the backlight on the D620 is controlled by ACPI hooks and there is no proc or sys entry specific to "light" it's the lid switch that controls the light
[01:54] <dive> yes
[01:54] <antiwire> and the lid switch is acpi controlled
[01:54] <dive> I have both
[01:54] <complexmess> so where should i look
[01:55] <complexmess> to fix?
[01:55] <antiwire> dive: the D620 doesn't
[01:55] <dive> :P
[01:55] <antiwire> if that's a mocking face the joke is on you
[01:55] <complexmess> plox to help me instead of fighting?
[01:55] <antiwire> the d620 is extremely linux friendly and everything on it works
[01:56] <dive> yeah I'm just having a joke
[01:56] <complexmess> so where should i be looking
[01:56] <complexmess> ?
[01:56] <agentc0re> dive: you joke?
[01:56] <agentc0re> wtf!
[01:56] <complexmess> T____T
[01:56] <agentc0re> OMG!
[01:56] <complexmess> shtop it
[01:56] <antiwire> complexmess: for the record, the D620 bios does in fact have backlight controls in the bios...
[01:56] <agentc0re> WHITE WHALE, HOLY GRAIL!!!
[01:56] <complexmess> =/
[01:56] <complexmess> a donde?
[01:57] <antiwire> complexmess: are you serious?
[01:57] <complexmess> i wouldn't be here if i wasn't
[01:57] <antiwire> it's GD bios with an interface...
[01:57] <antiwire> for fsck sake look around
[01:57] Action: agentc0re stabs complexmess
[01:57] <complexmess> =(
[01:57] <agentc0re> :D
[01:57] Action: dive stabs agentc0re 
[01:57] <complexmess> i did look around
[01:57] <agentc0re> lol
[01:57] <complexmess> thoroughly
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[01:57] <agentc0re> I blame antiwire for showing me that comic.
[01:57] <complexmess> but i guess not enough
[01:57] <antiwire> complexmess: Does your D620 have Intel or nvidia graphics?
[01:57] <complexmess> intel
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[01:58] <agentc0re> dive:  did you see it?
[01:58] <dive> ?
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[01:58] <complexmess> and i still don't see the backlight controls
[01:58] <complexmess> maybe i'm blind
[01:58] <antiwire> complexmess: what does this do? /usr/bin/xset -display :0.0 dpms force off && sleep 10 && /usr/bin/xset -display :0.0 dpms force on
[01:59] <antiwire> run that and wait 10 seconds
[01:59] <dive> agentc0re, someone is wrong on the internet?
[01:59] <antiwire> your screen should turn off and back on
[01:59] <agentc0re> dive: http://rageblog.org/2009/02/26/white-whale-holy-grail/
[01:59] <complexmess> but i'm in the bios right now
[01:59] <complexmess> grawr you
[01:59] <complexmess> stop switching everywhere
[01:59] <antiwire> you know what... complexmess is now on ignore, I don't care that I have the same damn laptop and it works perfectly. I'm done with him.
[02:00] <complexmess> =/
[02:00] <CaptObviousman> rob0, BP{k}: haet!
[02:00] <complexmess> <.<;
[02:00] <complexmess> why are i on ignore?
[02:00] <complexmess> i'm very grateful for you assistance
[02:00] <antiwire> agentc0re: That comic was brutal
[02:01] <agentc0re> antiwire: It makes me smile :)
[02:01] <dive> agentc0re, good one
[02:01] <antiwire> lol
[02:01] <complexmess> T_T
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[02:01] <agentc0re> i might send it anonymously at work to everyone.  You know, make it look like spam.
[02:01] <agentc0re> only me and my co-worker would be able to tell if it was spam.
[02:01] <antiwire> agentc0re: This ivory leg is what propels me!
[02:02] <agentc0re> antiwire: HAHA.
[02:02] <agentc0re> i just really love that white whale speech.
[02:02] <dive> remember any more lines?
[02:02] <agentc0re> dive: ... 2 hours later.. blah blah blah
[02:02] <dive> agentc0re, stopppp
[02:02] <antiwire> lol
[02:03] <dive> been some good xkcd posted lately
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[02:04] <dive> http://xkcd.com/386/
[02:04] <complexmess> heyyy
[02:04] <complexmess> dive
[02:04] <complexmess> can you please help me where antiwire left off?
[02:05] <dive> well, did you try that command he suggested?
[02:05] <complexmess> yea
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[02:05] <complexmess> said
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[02:05] <complexmess> "unable to open display: '0.0'"
[02:05] <agentc0re> dive: that is definitely a good one! :D
[02:05] <agentc0re> Nite all!
[02:05] <complexmess> nitey nite
[02:05] <dive> agentc0re, nn
[02:05] <fire|bird> night agentc0re
[02:06] <dive> complexmess, did you run it as root?
[02:06] <complexmess> indeed
[02:06] <complexmess> i did
[02:06] <dive> fire|bird, morning!
[02:06] <dive> complexmess, well don't
[02:06] <fire|bird> Hey dive, how's it going?
[02:06] <complexmess> ok
[02:06] <dive> run it as user
[02:06] Nick change: init[1] -> init[1]|znc
[02:06] <dive> fire|bird, ok mate, been up all night... yourself?
[02:07] <fire|bird> dive: doing great, thank you. :)
[02:07] <dive> been on caffiene
[02:07] <complexmess> same error
[02:07] <dive> caffeine?
[02:07] <dive> o0
[02:07] <fire|bird> dive: yes, caffeine.
[02:07] <fire|bird> dive: caffeine i.v.? :P
[02:07] <dive> complexmess, do you have X running?
[02:08] <dive> nah just coffee
[02:08] <complexmess> no
[02:08] <dive> oral only
[02:08] <complexmess> that's what she said
[02:08] <complexmess> =T_T=
[02:08] <complexmess> sorry
[02:08] <dive> complexmess, then startx, open terminal, run comand (all as user not root)
[02:08] <fire|bird> dive: Ah, so it can't be to bad yet. :D
[02:08] <edman007> fire|bird, i want a caffeine IV
[02:08] <edman007> NOW
[02:09] Action: fire|bird directs edman007 to the nearest i.v. coffee bar. :)
[02:09] <dive> running out of milk, drinking black coffee, caffeine overload, aahhhhhhh crunch!
[02:09] <edman007> fire|bird, i can't make it :(
[02:09] <dive> +solpadeine tablets
[02:09] <antiwire> http://rageblog.org/2009/06/22/mum-cancels-wow-account/
[02:09] <complexmess> ok
[02:09] <complexmess> nothing happend
[02:09] <complexmess> =/
[02:09] <complexmess> paused for 10 seconds
[02:10] <complexmess> and did nothing
[02:10] Action: fire|bird stabs edman007 with a caffeine pen. :P
[02:10] <dive> the screen didnt turn off?
[02:10] <complexmess> no
[02:10] Action: edman007 feels a bit better
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[02:10] <dive> complexmess, which driver are you using for X?
[02:10] <complexmess> how do i find out?
[02:10] <dive> /etc/X11/xorg.conf will tell you
[02:10] <dive> look for 'driver'
[02:10] <antiwire> look at what happens right about 1:09
[02:11] <edman007> antiwire, hahaha
[02:11] <antiwire> lol
[02:11] <antiwire> he tries to hurt himself by sticking the tv remote up his ass while he still has shorts on
[02:11] <antiwire> that dude flips the hell out
[02:12] <complexmess> vesa
[02:12] <edman007> i think he is possessed...
[02:13] <edman007> antiwire, looks like they saved him in time though, he didn't hit 300lbs yet
[02:13] <antiwire> oh man that made me laugh so hard
[02:13] <complexmess> dive: vesa
[02:13] <edman007> so that must be a "mild" withdrawal
[02:13] <dive> complexmess, that is probably the cause of your problem
[02:13] <antiwire> just the frames between 1:08-1:14
[02:14] <complexmess> orly?
[02:14] <dive> vesa doesn't support most of the screen on/off stuff
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[02:14] <complexmess> what alternative do i have and how do i utilize it?
[02:14] <dive> but
[02:14] <dive> for X find the right driver
[02:14] <dive> and edit the file
[02:15] <dive> I don't know much about intel drivers though...
[02:15] <complexmess> grawr in that case, mind asking antiwire how i offended him?
[02:16] <dive> but do you want it to work in the non-x console too, or is that not important?
[02:16] <complexmess> yes that's important
[02:16] <complexmess> =/
[02:16] <complexmess> it's fine
[02:16] <complexmess> thank you very much for your assistance
[02:16] <complexmess> thank antiwire for meh
[02:16] <complexmess> =P
[02:16] <complexmess> bai bai
[02:17] <complexmess> and thanks to anyone who dropped their too cents
[02:17] <complexmess> two*
[02:17] <dive> then you need to look to see if the intelfb driver (if there is such a thing) is built into the kernel and put a setting in lilo.conf
[02:17] <complexmess> i will make a note of that
[02:17] <complexmess> thanks
[02:17] <dive> like 'append= "video=intelfb"'
[02:17] <dive> or some such
[02:17] <dive> np
[02:18] <dive> antiwire, complexmess says thanks
[02:19] <dive> :-
[02:19] <dive> anyway
[02:19] <antiwire> lol
[02:20] <antiwire> I've learned that temp ignores can prevent an even bigger scene
[02:20] <dive> yeah
[02:21] <agentc0re> antiwire: (12:16:51 AM) complexmess: thank antiwire for meh  LOL
[02:21] <antiwire> see that's exactly why temp ignore is good
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[02:25] <jeev> i just got 97 kills in cod4 in one round :/
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[02:25] <dive> sounds like a frantic round
[02:25] <jeev> previous round i had uh 83 i think
[02:26] <jeev> i'm so good man
[02:26] <dive> should see me sniping on overlord in UT
[02:26] <antiwire> that link I posted with the kid going crazy...that was jeev
[02:26] <jeev> which link
[02:26] <jeev> i just reattached
[02:26] <jeev> i cant see anything
[02:26] <dive> that one
[02:26] <antiwire> http://rageblog.org/2009/06/22/mum-cancels-wow-account/
[02:27] <antiwire> jeev: pay attention around 1:09
[02:27] <dive> yes arse control to major tom......
[02:27] <jeev> wow what a small room
[02:27] <dive> you can zoom out
[02:28] <jeev> hahahahahah
[02:28] <Camarade_Tux> morning :)
[02:28] <DenNOLA> Hey guys.  Window behavior.  On my desktop is a Knote that was sticky but now it seems to want to do something new on start-up, and there's a Konsole window that won't bugger off either.
[02:28] <dive> http://xkcd.com/612/
[02:29] <fire|bird> morning Camarade_Tux
[02:29] <dive> morning Camarade_Tux
[02:29] <jeev> why did he try to put that shit in his ass
[02:29] <jeev> hAHHAHAHHA
[02:29] <antiwire> lol
[02:29] <jeev> hahahahah
[02:29] <dive> I just typed morn<tab> and wondered why it didn't complete
[02:29] <Camarade_Tux> yo fire|bird :)
[02:29] <fire|bird> lol
[02:29] <dive> zsh ftw
[02:29] <fire|bird> dive: ++
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[02:30] <fire|bird> y0 slackytude
[02:30] <slackytude> greetings people
[02:30] <slackytude> y0 fire|bird
[02:30] <slackytude> another nick change?
[02:30] <jeev> wow that's hilarious
[02:31] <fire|bird> slackytude: long time no see, how've you been?
[02:31] <fire|bird> slackytude: heh, try a few. In the latest ##slackware stats, I'm #1 in most nick changes.
[02:31] <slackytude> fire|bird, doing fine now. I was busy with this years exams. lot to do. slept a night in the university. how about you?
[02:31] <slackytude> heh
[02:31] <fire|bird> bbiab
[02:31] <fire|bird> slackytude: doing great, thanks.
[02:32] <dive> http://xkcd.com/593/
[02:32] <fire|bird> slackytude: new opera snapshot. :D
[02:32] <slackytude> no time
[02:32] <slackytude> looks like the db at works does crap
[02:32] Action: dive mumbles something about acid 3 100% opera, must kill, die opera die
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[02:32] <slackytude> great way to start the week
[02:33] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:33] <slackytude> greetings Camarade_Tux ^-^
[02:33] <slackytude> how is going
[02:34] <Camarade_Tux> fine here, I'm doing my 1-month internship and it's pretty cool (holograms, linux, fun) although unpaid
[02:34] <Camarade_Tux> and for you? :)
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[02:34] Action: dive waves at slackytude 
[02:34] <Camarade_Tux> haha, saw you slept at uni, lol :p
[02:34] Action: jeev slaps Camarade_Tux
[02:34] Action: Camarade_Tux spanks jeev 
[02:34] <jeev> nasty
[02:34] <slackytude> yeah :(
[02:35] <dive> oooh sexyyyyy
[02:35] Action: slackytude likes holograms
[02:35] Action: slackytude waves back at dive
[02:35] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: btw, you made me read all sinfest comics, I read about a year worth of comic strips per day for 10 days :p
[02:35] <slackytude> fine to be here again
[02:35] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, good work!
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[02:35] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: plus slackware64 and slackware13-rc1 :)
[02:36] Action: Camarade_Tux plays with marionnet.org today at work :) 
[02:36] <Camarade_Tux> the requirements of marionnet: VDE 2, a UML kernel, Glade, Graphviz, Xephyr, uml-tools, brige-utils :p
[02:37] <slackytude> bah
[02:37] <slackytude> thats a joke
[02:37] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: oh, right, and ocaml too :)
[02:37] <slackytude> figures
[02:37] <dive> bridge-utils? for a game?
[02:37] <Camarade_Tux> hehehe :P
[02:37] <DenNOLA> I sure don't wanna interrupt the family reunion, but any takers on the window behavior question I asked ever-so-humbly?  :-)
[02:38] <Camarade_Tux> well, bridge-utils isn't a big deal, I think it's included (xephyr is included in current slackware too), but uml == fun :)
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[02:38] <Camarade_Tux> DenNOLA: sorry, no idea here
[02:39] <dive> DenNOLA, for konsole, close the window (and anything else you don't want) and there should be an option in the menu to save session
[02:39] <dive> well, there is in 3.5 not sure about 4.x
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[02:40] <DenNOLA> dive: when you say "in the menu", which menu is that?
[02:41] <dive> DenNOLA, the kde kicker menu
[02:42] <dive> if it isn't there you might need to go into control centre and look for session options to make it show in menu
[02:42] <fire|bird> slackytude: so, how'd you do on your exams?
[02:42] <fire|bird> dive: Opera will NEVER DIE!!!. :P
[02:43] <dive> ha
[02:43] <DenNOLA> dive:  ok, I was just gonna say...because it isn't there.  Lemme look in Crtl Ctr.
[02:43] <fire|bird> the browser that is, the music, well, I could care less about opera music. :P
[02:43] <dive> :[
[02:43] <fire|bird> dive: :P, you like opera music?
[02:44] <dive> I might have to have another look at Opera. It had some annoying bugs last time I used it
[02:44] <slackytude> fire|bird, dont have all grades yet
[02:44] <dive> yeah I like a lot of different kinds of music
[02:44] <slackytude> fire|bird, could be anything
[02:44] <dive> it's almost all good
[02:44] <fire|bird> dive: opera 10 is not far from being released.
[02:44] <fire|bird> slackytude: you like rock music?
[02:45] <Camarade_Tux> anyone has a graphviz package installed? does it put libs in /usr/lib?
[02:45] <slackytude> fire|bird, sure!
[02:45] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: I think I have that installed, let me check.
[02:45] <fire|bird> slackytude: When you have time, listen to Hail the Villain, EXCELLENT ROCK BAND.
[02:46] <slackytude> I shall make a note of it
[02:46] <slackytude> now, I just need two know why the DB makes two entries in unrelated customer fields altho its supposed to only add one
[02:46] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: eh, nope, don't have it installed I guess, sorry.
[02:46] <DenNOLA> Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.  I have been through this frekken list like a jillion times and now suddenly I see it.  Kicer Menu>Ctrl Ctr>Kde Components>Session Mgr.   Sheeeeesh!!  Thanks.  Now back to the Slackware Annual Backyard Barbeque.  :::grabs a burger and a rootbeer:::
[02:46] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: no prob, thanks anyway :)
[02:47] <fire|bird> We're having a backyard BBQ? nice.
[02:47] <Camarade_Tux> mommy, mommy, can I haz a burger? :)
[02:47] <DenNOLA> HA.
[02:47] <fire|bird> s/burger/cheeseburger. :)
[02:48] <DenNOLA> Finding this is like finally killing the mosquito that's been f-ing with you all night.  SWAT!!!
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[02:50] <dive> cheezeburgerz?
[02:50] <DenNOLA> Outta here.  Thanks for the help.  :::stuffs a chicken leg in his shirt pocket::::
[02:50] <dive> yw
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[02:55] Action: fire|bird hands dive a cheezeburger. :)
[02:56] <Camarade_Tux> and me ? ='(
[02:56] Action: Camarade_Tux cries
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[02:56] Action: fire|bird hands Camarade_Tux a double cheezburger.
[02:56] <ruben231> hi
[02:56] <ruben231> any squid users here..?
[02:57] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: happy now?
[02:57] <Camarade_Tux> stupid graphviz! my ocaml is somewhere else!
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[02:57] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: yeah, chomp, chomp, chomp, another ? :D
[02:58] Action: fire|bird hands Camarade_Tux a triple cheezeburger
[02:58] <ruben231> squid..?
[02:59] <fire|bird> ruben231: We seen your question the first time, give someone who may use squid time to respond. :)
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[03:00] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: chomp*9, another ? :)
[03:00] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: dang, when'd you last eat? :P
[03:00] <Camarade_Tux> ruben231: ask your question, if someone knows, he will pick it up, but ask, don't ask to ask
[03:00] Action: fire|bird hands Camarade_Tux a cheezburger the size of a mini cooper.
[03:00] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: right now, I just had my breakfast :D
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[03:00] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: \o/
[03:00] <ruben231> ow do i set my iptables to used squid but nto as transparent proxy..
[03:01] <rworkman> ruben231: you don't - you set it in your browser.
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[03:02] <ruben231> rworkman: my squid proxy are with the same server for my linux router--using iptables
[03:02] <rworkman> and?
[03:02] <ruben231> should i not set anything..
[03:02] <rworkman> You set your client browsers to use server:3128 as the proxy.
[03:02] <ruben231> coz currently im adding block rules now but its not working
[03:02] <ruben231> yes already done that
[03:03] <rworkman> Then what's the problem?
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[03:03] <ruben231> i tried to block url but its not blocking
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[03:03] <ruben231> im using the stnadard config for squid
[03:03] <rworkman> Blocking url's is a different concept - iptables is irrelevant.
[03:04] <ruben231> im talking to the squid config itself
[03:06] <antiwire> does it answer back?
[03:06] <rworkman> HA
[03:09] <rworkman> ruben231: paste this and tell me what it returns:  [ -e /etc/$(echo fynpxjner | rot13)-* ] ; echo $?
[03:09] <fire|bird> Later guys. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening} Take care.
[03:10] <Camarade_Tux> night fire|bird :)
[03:10] <dive> nn
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[03:10] <fire|bird> night Camarade_Tux
[03:10] <fire|bird> night dive.
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[03:18] <Camarade_Tux> hmmm, I guess something went wrong: swig -ocaml -co swig.mli \n File 'swig.mli' already exists. Checkout aborted.
[03:19] <Camarade_Tux> and next lines: ocamlc -c swig.mli \n File "swig.mli", line 1, characters 0-1: Error: I/O error: swig.mli: No such file or directory
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[03:22] <Camarade_Tux> that's why I like to have the source for all packages: I can update any package I want easily
[03:23] <aceofspades19> Camarade_Tux: I looked at ocaml, and its syntax seems really non-verbose
[03:23] <Camarade_Tux> aceofspades19: yeah, it's everything but verbose, that's one of the reasons I like it :)
[03:23] <Camarade_Tux> less-typing == better for lazy people :D
[03:25] <aceofspades19> I like being able to read code though :p
[03:25] <Camarade_Tux> he, it's easy to read ;)
[03:25] <Camarade_Tux> it takes some time to get used to but only something like half an hour imho
[03:26] <aceofspades19> whats the deal with no brackets
[03:27] <aceofspades19> like the try statement is just try\n ref := newval;
[03:27] <Camarade_Tux> aceofspades19: when writing by hand, you don't write 'cos(x)', you write 'cos x', right? ;)
[03:27] <Camarade_Tux> 'try\n ref := newval;' is meaningless on its own
[03:27] <aceofspades19> well yeah, buts its an example
[03:28] <Camarade_Tux> ok, 'try' is the beginning of exception catching/matching
[03:28] <aceofspades19> bu there is no brackets!
[03:28] <aceofspades19> but*
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[03:28] <aceofspades19> like in c++ its try { stuff }
[03:28] <Camarade_Tux> aceofspades19: because there is no ambiguity in the language for that
[03:28] <Camarade_Tux> you don't need any brackets, it gets it right
[03:29] <aceofspades19> it scares me
[03:29] <aceofspades19> :p
[03:29] <Camarade_Tux> you can write : try (some exprs) with | My_exc -> print_err "my exception has been catched! run!"
[03:30] <Camarade_Tux> you're free to put parens wherever you want ;)
[03:30] <aceofspades19> touche
[03:33] <Camarade_Tux> if you indent and have a syntax-highlighting editor, it's very readable, if you don't... (well, if you don't indent, everything is unreadable)
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[03:42] <Camarade_Tux> bah, swig but still not fixed =/
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[03:43] <Camarade_Tux> s/but/bug/
[03:47] <Camarade_Tux> bah, I wonder how I managed to think it wasn't fixed, it has been fixed ><
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[03:58] <antiwire> I wish I could draw
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[03:58] <antiwire> I have all these great images in my head but I can't get them out. it
[03:58] <antiwire> it's a horrible feeling
[03:59] <aceofspades19> antiwire: you could pay someone to draw for you
[03:59] <Camarade_Tux> maybe you can manage to learn and practice
[03:59] <antiwire> aceofspades19: I've thought of doing that
[04:01] <Camarade_Tux> asking again: has anyone used user-mode linux? basically I'd like to make slackware filesystems for uml and wouldn't mind avoiding parts of the work
[04:02] <aceofspades19> usermode linux?
[04:02] <antiwire> Camarade_Tux: I haven't. All my needs like that I solve with VMs still
[04:02] <Camarade_Tux> marionnet: "./configure --help" returns "Sorry, there is no automatic configuration system, as of now. Now please edit the "CONFIGME" file, using your favorite text editor." ^^
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[04:03] <High_Priest> hi
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[04:03] <antiwire> hey man
[04:03] <Camarade_Tux> antiwire: I need uml for marionnet ("a virtual network laboratory") and for play ;)
[04:03] <Camarade_Tux> Low_Priest
[04:03] <Camarade_Tux> (sorry)
[04:03] <antiwire> Camarade_Tux: do you know about VDE?
[04:03] <antiwire> vde2
[04:04] <Camarade_Tux> antiwire: yeah, I just compiled it ;p
[04:04] <antiwire> ah
[04:05] <Camarade_Tux> I'm not sure what it can do however (it's a dependency of marionnet)
[04:05] <antiwire> it's for putting together virtual networks
[04:06] <antiwire> like a switch fabric
[04:06] <Camarade_Tux> ok, but not for creating the virtual computers and friends, right?
[04:06] <antiwire> just the networking part
[04:07] <Camarade_Tux> ok, because marionnet creates the rest so it makes everything easier :)
[04:07] <Camarade_Tux> (you can add/remove/configure a machine in a few seconds)
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[04:25] <sbl_afk> Witam s tu jacys polacy?
[04:26] <antiwire> I don't even know what language that is
[04:26] <sbl_afk> :/
[04:26] <sbl_afk> wait
[04:26] <sbl_afk> translate.google.com :>
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[04:27] <sbl_afk> in slackware 12.2 current drivers for the Intel WiFi Link 5100?
[04:27] <alisonken1noc> look at the kernel version - that will tell you what drivers are part of it
[04:28] <Camarade_Tux> probably: "iwlwifi-5150-ucode-8.24.2.2-fw-1.txz"
[04:29] <sbl_afk> what is kernel version in slack 12.2 current ? 2.6.30 ?
[04:29] <slava_dp> 12.2 is not -current =)
[04:29] <alisonken1noc> slackware 12.2 is not -current
[04:29] <Camarade_Tux> 2.6.29
[04:29] <Camarade_Tux> and yes, 12.2 and current aren't the same thing, you card won't work with 12.2
[04:29] <alisonken1noc> slackware-current (which is slackware 13.0-rc1+) is what Camarade_Tux noted
[04:30] <sbl_afk> ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current-iso/slackware-current-14_Jul_2009-DVD.iso  ?
[04:30] <slava_dp> sbl_afk, wait for Tuesday, you will get the latest updates. They remake the image every Tuesday iirc.
[04:32] <sbl_afk> the download of the iso to 85% :/
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[04:34] <Camarade_Tux> OMG I can't believe it! a programmer who maintains his own debian package has a patch for his package in debian but not upstream!
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[04:35] <sbl_afk> iwlwifi 5000 driver is good for intel wifi link 5100 ?
[04:35] <sbl_afk> iwlwifi-5000-ucode-5.4.A.11-fw-1.tgz
[04:36] <Camarade_Tux> 10:27 < Camarade_Tux> probably: "iwlwifi-5150-ucode-8.24.2.2-fw-1.txz"
[04:38] <sbl_afk> Camarade_Tux: iwlwifi 5150 doesn't exist in ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current-iso/ChangeLog-current.txt
[04:38] <Camarade_Tux> it will soon, it has been added on Wed Jul 15 20:51:29 CDT 2009
[04:39] <Camarade_Tux> and "10:29 < slava_dp> sbl_afk, wait for Tuesday, you will get the latest updates. They remake the image every Tuesday iirc."
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[04:41] <sbl_afk> damn... in fact ;) thanks for everyone
[04:41] <Camarade_Tux>  =)
[04:41] <Camarade_Tux> you can make your own iso too
[04:42] <sbl_afk> i can not :>
[04:42] <Camarade_Tux> why?
[04:43] <sbl_afk> do not know
[04:45] <Camarade_Tux> read isolinux/README.TXT
[04:45] <Camarade_Tux> (in the slackware source)
[04:46] <sbl_afk> What is the best package manager? slackpkg, slapt-get or swaret ?
[04:47] <slava_dp> sbl_afk, slackpkg is the only true package manager. and the only official one.
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[04:49] <dchmelik> but sbopkg....
[04:52] <Camarade_Tux> sbopkg works well too ;)
[04:53] <Camarade_Tux> and it's nothing special: you can do the same with rsync and slackbuilds.org
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[04:55] <antiwire> oh oh oh I love this next part
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[04:56] <antiwire> awe yeah that's it
[04:57] <mkeil> hehe
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[05:04] <antiwire> good god i just had one of those 5 seconds panic attacks
[05:07] <slava_dp> aye, forgot to mention sbopkg. can't live without it.
[05:09] <slackytude> man, that sucks
[05:09] <slackytude> y0 antiwire , slava_dp
[05:09] <antiwire> hey man
[05:10] <slava_dp> y0 slackytude! long time no see!
[05:10] <antiwire> what sucks?
[05:10] <antiwire> no coffee?
[05:10] <slackytude> aye, busy with them exams
[05:10] <slava_dp> vacuums? :)
[05:10] <slackytude> nah, our in house app does bad and naugthy things with the database
[05:10] <antiwire> I had a girlfriend and my buddy and I caught her watching pr0n0 by herself on the satellite
[05:11] <slackytude> trying to debug it. running some scripts over entire db, checking for stuff
[05:11] <slackytude> antiwire, nifty
[05:11] <slackytude> kinda akward
[05:11] <antiwire> Yeah I don't remember what it was because we starting laughing our asses off at her
[05:12] <slackytude> good reaction
[05:12] <slava_dp> antiwire, i would hug her :)
[05:12] <antiwire> she wasn't even into it, just sitting there watching like it was a school project
[05:12] <Camarade_Tux> can't remember the proper order: tar xf -C /path/ file.tar.gz?
[05:13] <antiwire> hey so out of no where I get heart palpation and my heart rate spikes then a pain travels from my chest up into my shoulder and then it stops
[05:13] <alisonken1noc> that changes directory to /path before extracting file.tar.gz
[05:13] <antiwire> nothing is wrong with me though! why does that happen?
[05:13] <slackytude> antiwire, that doesnt sound good
[05:13] <Camarade_Tux> nope, tar xf file.tar.gz /path/to/dest
[05:13] <slava_dp> antiwire, time to pay a visit to Greg House then
[05:13] <antiwire> I even had blood work and everything done
[05:14] <Camarade_Tux> alisonken1noc: :)
[05:14] <slackytude> so, just in your head then?
[05:14] <Camarade_Tux> now extracting a 535MB tar.bz2 file ='(
[05:14] <antiwire> slackytude: it must be but it sure is real as far as the physical manifestation
[05:14] <alisonken1noc> Camarade_Tux: I use the -C extensively when copying directories :)
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[05:14] <Camarade_Tux> antiwire: tired?
[05:14] <alisonken1noc> tar -cf - ./ | tar -C /path/to/dest -xf -
[05:15] <Camarade_Tux> errr, why do I have the rights to write to /usr/local/share/marionnet? errr :D
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[05:15] <Camarade_Tux> bah, not owner of that folder but owner of everything inside
[05:15] <slackytude> antiwire, well, I used to get panic attacks as well
[05:16] <slackytude> antiwire, not with physical pain, tho
[05:16] <antiwire> slackytude: did it just stop or what?
[05:16] <slackytude> antiwire, well, sort of, its very rare these days.
[05:18] <antiwire> sometimes it feels like a shot of adrenaline hit me and other times I get that chest or shoulder pain along with the adrenaline feeling. it's annoying as all hell since there never seems to be a good reason for it
[05:19] <slackytude> yeah, you want to jump up and want to run and realize a second later that there is no reason for it
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[05:22] <slackytude> anyway, sucks
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[05:23] <antiwire> yessa
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[05:27] <slackytude> I used to get it most when watching TV
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[05:29] <antiwire> the ones that I remember the most vividly have happened while I was listening to music, watching movies/tv and the worst one I remember happened while I was driving
[05:29] <slackytude> ouch
[05:30] <slackytude> I think around 5% to 10% of the population has that
[05:30] <antiwire> i just pulled over a waited then think to myself "now wtf was that all about" then just continue on
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[06:03] <Zordrak> God i hate vacuous young girls!
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[06:05] <antiwire> Zordrak: like a love-hate thing?
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[06:05] <antiwire> loving to hate them
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[06:12] <slackytude> vacuous?
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[06:13] <slackytude> ah, stupeed
[06:13] <slackytude> thx again mr dictonary
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[06:15] <Camarade_Tux> ='( vde not working
[06:15] <slackytude> vde?
[06:16] <slackytude> btw, how did you get a nice internship like that?
[06:16] <Camarade_Tux> virtual device ethernet or something like that, it's used to create virtual networks
[06:16] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: pure luck: my boss studied at my school ;)
[06:16] <slackytude> ah, tun
[06:16] <slackytude> heh
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[06:16] <Camarade_Tux> and pure luck again
[06:16] <Camarade_Tux> and yeah, I'm currently working... at home :D
[06:17] <slackytude> *sigh*
[06:18] <slackytude> Im trying to hunt down gremlins
[06:18] <Camarade_Tux> but I'm moving after lunch
[06:18] <Camarade_Tux> lol :p
[06:18] <slackytude> to work?
[06:19] <Camarade_Tux> yeah
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[06:19] <slackytude> a female freind of mine does home-office work
[06:19] <slackytude> she kinda complaint about it
[06:19] <slackytude> cant understand that
[06:19] <slackytude> sounds great to me
[06:20] <Camarade_Tux> why did she complain? :o
[06:20] <Camarade_Tux> yghbgygbnh
[06:20] <Camarade_Tux> $*
[06:20] <slackytude> it got lonely
[06:20] <Camarade_Tux> oops, sorry
[06:20] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, it's a bit lonely but irc during the day and friends after work
[06:20] <slackytude> I replied 'well, better alone than idiots as co worker'
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[06:21] <Zordrak> No. no love.. just hate.
[06:22] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: he :P
[06:22] <slackytude> you come across vacuous young girls a lot, Zordrak ?
[06:22] <Zordrak> not too much thankfully...
[06:24] <slackytude> speaking of young girls
[06:24] <slackytude> I was out to party on friday. celebrate the end of semester and that stuff
[06:25] <slackytude> me and my mates started out on the CS guy party
[06:25] <slackytude> which was a sad affair
[06:25] <slackytude> no music and lots of nerds role playing warhammer and the likes
[06:25] <Zordrak> >.<
[06:25] <slackytude> its a damn cliche but its true
[06:26] <slackytude> anyway, beer was cheap so it wasnt all bad
[06:26] <Zordrak> I may be a geek, but thankfully am well well short of being a warhammer geek
[06:26] <slackytude> we went over to the arcitects (sp?) party
[06:27] <slackytude> more than 50% women, good music, lots of dancing and cheap alcohol as well
[06:27] <alisonken1noc> architects
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[06:27] <slackytude> yeah, dem dudes who build dem houses
[06:28] <alisonken1noc> architects don't build - they're like consultants, they just tell everyone else how to do it :)
[06:28] <slackytude> I had a great time dancing and met a nice girl as well.
[06:28] <slackytude> it kinda gets hazy after that
[06:29] <slackytude> great evening nontheless
[06:29] <slackytude> just FYI
[06:30] <slackytude> next semester I'll go there straight away
[06:30] <slackytude> well, maybe I'll get some beer from the CS dudes
[06:30] <slackytude> oh and some dudes nicked some comps during the party
[06:31] Nick change: sbl_afk -> George_Joung
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[06:41] <Camarade_Tux> my threesome.mar virtual network isn't working ='(
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[06:44] <Camarade_Tux> forgot to open the beer ='(
[06:46] <Camarade_Tux> problem solved ^^
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[06:49] <Zordrak> i wish so desperately that there was a good FOSS Visio.. that also opened visio docs
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[06:56] <slava_dp> what was that law about nazis?
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[07:00] <Zordrak> godwin
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[07:02] <Camarade_Tux> anyone here has darcs?
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[07:04] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, I used but I took some antibiotica and now they are gone
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[07:06] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: hehe :P
[07:07] <Camarade_Tux> darcs is a DVCS ;)
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[07:10] <slackytude> oi
[07:10] <alisonken1noc> oi vey
[07:10] Action: slackytude goes back to hunting gremlins
[07:10] <Camarade_Tux>  :p
[07:10] <alisonken1noc> catching reruns of the daily show
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[07:15] <missyjane> morning
[07:16] <Camarade_Tux> out of the four systems I can access, none has darcs or could have it ='(
[07:16] <Camarade_Tux> morning missyjane
[07:17] <alisonken1noc> yo
[07:18] <slackytude> morning missyjane
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[07:19] <Camarade_Tux> meh, fsck darcs, let's use wget
[07:20] <missyjane> LOL i read that as "meh lets ****, forget him"
[07:20] <missyjane> **** from fsck and forget from wget
[07:20] <missyjane> ><
[07:21] <slackytude> drink some coffee
[07:21] <Camarade_Tux> you're not nerdish enough :P
[07:21] Action: Camarade_Tux loves wget
[07:22] <missyjane> indeed, today im gonna be starting my new diet, i called it "Budget Calories Diet"
[07:22] <Camarade_Tux> he :P
[07:22] <missyjane> :x it used to be "Calories Diet" where i could eat what i want but within range, now $ is a problem
[07:22] <missyjane> T.T
[07:22] <Camarade_Tux> except the less expensive food is also the less healthy =/
[07:23] <missyjane> well.. not really
[07:23] <missyjane> instead of buying a can of tuna, im going to beg the girls to drive me to costco
[07:23] <missyjane> same food just takes forever since i gotta wait
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[07:25] <missyjane> so! how are you Camarade_Tux, alisonken1noc, slackytude? :D
[07:25] <Camarade_Tux> fine, thanks, and you? =)
[07:25] <alisonken1noc> mostly done with work :)
[07:26] <alisonken1noc> only another hour and half
[07:26] <slackytude> doing fine, but gotta hunt gremlins
[07:26] <Camarade_Tux> alisonken1noc: what time is it where you live?
[07:26] <missyjane> :O its only 7am
[07:26] <alisonken1noc> 0427
[07:26] <slackytude> missyjane, how about you?
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[07:26] <missyjane> gremlins? warhammer?
[07:27] <Camarade_Tux> alisonken1noc: he :p
[07:27] <alisonken1noc> missyjane: watching hulu reruns of the daily show with jon stewart
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[07:28] <slackytude> missyjane, nah, jargon for debugging
[07:28] <slackytude> weird problem
[07:28] <slackytude> clearly, its gremlins
[07:29] Action: Camarade_Tux hands slackytude a flamethrower
[07:29] <slackytude> thx
[07:29] Action: alisonken1noc hands slackytude a sledgehammer
[07:29] <Camarade_Tux> aim well -_-
[07:29] <slackytude> gotta be careful tho. can't simply burn the DB
[07:29] <slackytude> aye
[07:29] Action: Camarade_Tux smashes darcs with the sledgehammer
[07:29] <Camarade_Tux> thanks alisonken1noc
[07:30] Action: Camarade_Tux hands slackytude a fire extinguisher
[07:30] <alisonken1noc> ;)
[07:30] <slackytude> ^-^
[07:30] <slackytude> Ive got a script running that searches for duplicate entries in the DB
[07:30] <slackytude> roughly 121.000.000 possible combinations
[07:31] <slackytude> cos right now I only have one example where the shit happens
[07:31] <Camarade_Tux> hehe :P
[07:32] <Camarade_Tux> n*(n+1)/2 possibilities :)
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[07:38] <missyjane> slackytude, oooh.. i had no idea
[07:39] <missyjane> alisonken1noc, ooh i love jon stewart but prefer stephen colbert :x
[07:39] <missyjane> i promised myself i will marry stephen colbert one day after i saw him in a week in the military
[07:42] <missyjane> hm i might be ridiculed but i think 10mb sql file with about 10mb files in server is huge
[07:42] <missyjane> lol
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[07:43] <alisonken1noc> don't know stephen colbert - is he the one that does the colbert report?
[07:43] <alisonken1noc> I don't have cable or satelite, so don't get to watch them otherwise
[07:43] <missyjane> aw
[07:43] <missyjane> and yes he is
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[07:43] <missyjane> stephen and jon are buddies
[07:43] <alisonken1noc> ah
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[07:49] <missyjane> gah
[07:49] <slackytude> he looks like a freak
[07:49] <missyjane> who?
[07:50] <missyjane> you better not be talking about my love! >:(
[07:50] <alisonken1noc> colbert?
[07:50] <slackytude> well, yeah
[07:51] <missyjane> >:(
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[07:52] <Camarade_Tux> http://images.askmen.com/specials/2007_top_49/men/stephen_colbert.jpg
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[07:52] <budo>  Hi. i want to allow user ids to run a script...except, it has commands in it they normally are denied execution, but for this script only, i want them to be able to execute them.  is there a way for me to set this up without them being able to read and edit the script?
[07:53] Action: slackytude dies
[07:53] <CyberS0nic> Good Morning
[07:53] <missyjane> ah that was easier than i thought :D
[07:53] Action: slackytude becomes a zombie
[07:53] <slackytude> braaains
[07:54] <slackytude> budo, you can give users rights to execute stuff with sudoers file
[07:54] <slackytude> and I guess you could put them into a file with only +x for them
[07:55] <slackytude> err, I mean  braaaain
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[07:55] <missyjane> xD!!
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[08:00] <Camarade_Tux> laterz
[08:01] <slackytude> see ya
[08:01] <budo> ok, thank you @ slacky
[08:02] <gtl> morning all
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[08:09] <gades> gtl, good morning
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[08:14] <v4nelle> gus when i go to add folder plasma widget,kde4 tell me "Could nt find component: folderview"....why?
[08:16] <missyjane> ooh guys, is there a 3.5 firefox upgrade for 12.1?
[08:16] <Zordrak> check /patches
[08:17] <illuz1oN> install it yourself lol
[08:17] <illuz1oN> not hard
[08:17] <missyjane> o.O i like Zordraks solution better :D he gives great advices
[08:17] <missyjane> ok ty again Zordrak
[08:18] <missyjane> bah so nope, no upgrade
[08:21] <kejen> just use the binary from firefox website
[08:22] <Zordrak> balls.... dhcp and dns are out of sync
[08:22] <thrice`> balls eh
[08:25] <slackytude> that sucks
[08:25] <gtl> missyjane, check -current
[08:26] <missyjane> why would i check -current? D:
[08:26] <gtl> -current has firefox 3.5 =)
[08:26] <gtl> I'm using it here!
[08:26] <thumbs> my 12.2 has FF3.5.1
[08:28] <missyjane> lol but im using 12.1
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[08:28] <C00re> my 10.1 could have 3.5.1 if i had X on it :)
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[08:28] <thumbs> missyjane: my 12.1 box also has 3.5.1
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[08:31] <illuz1oN> .:thumbs:. my 12.2 has FF3.5.1
[08:31] <illuz1oN> same
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[08:33] <thumbs> yeah
[08:33] <kejen> how do you guys keep your slackware so old? Unless it's a server or something. Always looking to install something new on desktop
[08:33] <thumbs> it's fairly trivial
[08:33] <thumbs> kejen: old?
[08:33] Action: Zordrak does not like running out of buffer space
[08:34] <thumbs> kejen: 12.1 is still fairly recent.
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[08:39] <missyjane> i plan on running 12.1 forever
[08:39] <missyjane> lol
[08:39] <missyjane> dont fix it if its not broken
[08:40] Action: thrice` thinks thats a stupid way of thinking for a desktop
[08:40] <missyjane> why? D:
[08:40] <thrice`> because, software evolves and gets better.
[08:40] Action: C00re runs 10. 
[08:40] <alisonken1noc> well, I've got a router running 8.0 and a server running 8.1
[08:40] <missyjane> and? D: its not like i can buy new computer easily every 4 years or something
[08:40] <C00re> only thing thats need to be fixed is .. a new faster computer
[08:40] <C00re> :D
[08:40] <alisonken1noc> the only thing that needs fixing is bigger drives
[08:41] <Zordrak> the only thing that needs fixing is every component over time
[08:41] <kejen> The difference from xorg1.4 to 1.6 is huge
[08:41] <missyjane> really?
[08:41] <kejen> dri2, gem, etc
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[08:42] <missyjane> hm
[08:43] <missyjane> sigh im just afraid of breaking things under new upgrades, like in 12.2 tons of things dont work on my pc
[08:44] <Zordrak> O_o
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[08:44] <thrice`> anything specific ?
[08:44] <missyjane> yeah like kde doesnt start
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[08:44] <missyjane> this is with completely full new install btw
[08:44] <thrice`> lol, ok.
[08:44] <thrice`> I'm sure kde was broken by default in 12.2
[08:45] <missyjane> D:
[08:45] <thumbs> missyjane: you must have made a mistake
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[08:45] <missyjane> not really, i installed 12.2 like i did with 12.1, 12.1 is great, i reinstalled 12.1 after i realized i cant get 12.2 to work
[08:46] <illuz1oN> why kde... :/
[08:46] <illuz1oN> xfce <3
[08:46] <missyjane> cause i like kde
[08:46] <missyjane> i like the others too but i am used to kde and kde makes it simple for me
[08:47] <Zordrak> missyjane: then youd love kde4
[08:47] <missyjane> >.>
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[08:47] <missyjane> i setup emerald / compiz-fusion so.. :x
[08:48] <kejen> Yeah, you need to go to current right now
[08:48] <Zordrak> missyjane: dont for a second think that kde4 = kde3+visual effects
[08:48] <kejen> kde4
[08:48] <Zordrak> missyjane: its MUCH more than that
[08:48] <kejen> is waiting for you
[08:49] <missyjane> lol o.o.. can you name 1-2 features kde4 have? D:
[08:49] <kejen> Just give me root on your box, $50 in my paypal, and will have it ready for you in a few hours
[08:49] <Zordrak> missyjane: every component application is updated
[08:49] <missyjane> haha
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[08:49] <missyjane> or how about yo uget on webcam, show me step by step :x
[08:49] <Zordrak> missyjane: the entire component communication subsys is different from the ground up
[08:49] <missyjane> Zordrak, hm..
[08:50] <Zordrak> components actually interact usinc te same interfaces instead of pretending to
[08:50] <missyjane> what does that mean for me then?
[08:50] <Zordrak> missyjane: the only way to really get it is to try it
[08:50] <Zordrak> bbiab
[08:50] <missyjane> :) alright thanks again
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[08:53] Action: NthDegree wonders if missyjane is the same missyjane that went round all the different distro support channels looking for help on how to make the desktop more girly >_>
[08:54] <NthDegree> if so, long time no speak! :D
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[08:57] <missyjane> NthDegree, lol i didnt go to different distro did i? D:
[08:58] <NthDegree> missyjane, if I remember rightly, I was in #suse back when they were all like "OpenSuSE is the project, the distro is called SuSE damnit!"
[08:58] <NthDegree> and they kinda didn't wanna help you and... it was funny XD
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[09:00] <missyjane> lol >.>
[09:00] Action: missyjane goes to the corner and cries
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[09:01] <NthDegree> That's all the way back from my had-not-yet-custom-compiled-a-kernel days too... >_>
[09:01] <missyjane> lol poor me..
[09:01] <missyjane> i mean you
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[09:12] <Camarade_Tux> back :)
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[09:15] <gtl> what's a good svn client
[09:15] <gtl> ?
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[09:17] <Camarade_Tux> maybe svn? :D
[09:17] <missyjane> wb Camarade_Tux :)
[09:18] Action: Camarade_Tux is going to master vde and get it working properly!
[09:19] <missyjane> D: vde?
[09:21] <Pa^2> If I want to put a job into the /etc/cron.daily folder what is the syntax?
[09:21] <Pa^2> Just the command line to be executed and the redirect ?
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[09:22] <Camarade_Tux> missyjane: it lets you create a virtual ethernet network :)
[09:22] <Camarade_Tux> great for simulation/testing purposes
[09:24] <missyjane> ooh
[09:26] <alisonken1noc> Pa^2: very carefully
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[09:27] <alisonken1noc> ok - time to head out to home and sleep
[09:27] <Pa^2> Thanks
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[09:27] <alisonken1noc> Pa^2: you may want to look at 'man crontab' for a start
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[09:30] <Pa^2> I missed the line that said scripts... makes sense now... my bad
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[09:31] <missyjane> bleh all horned up
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[09:44] <Camarade_Tux> woot, strace'd a gtk application which ran for less than a minute, 450k lines :)
[09:47] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: btw, vde actually means Virtual Distributed Network (not Device)
[09:48] <agentc0re> BP{k}: http://learnix.net/2009/07/red-ale/
[09:49] <Camarade_Tux> hmmm, alien has a vde package, might be worth trying
[09:49] <alienBOB> Camarade_Tux: marionnet site mentions that they modified vde for their own ends. You may not profit from my package
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[09:50] <missyjane> o.O "profit" ?
[09:50] <alienBOB> Profit in the sense that it may not work well together with marionnet
[09:51] <nheco> yaaabbbadabaduuuuuuuu
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[09:52] <Camarade_Tux> alienBOB: saw that but then completely forgot about it, I have to check that, thanks for reminding me :)
[09:53] <Camarade_Tux> but it's very frustrating: I finished setting it for a friend yesterday on a debian machine through ssh+vnc, and everything was running inside a kvm, but now I can't get it to work on my own local computer ='(
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[10:01] <BP{k}> agentc0re: nice .. when's the tasting?
[10:02] <init[1]|znc> http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html
[10:02] <agentc0re> BP{k}: 28 days or so.
[10:04] <agentc0re> This has been far my best beer that i've made.  i had a 70% efficiency for pulling out all the sugars.
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[10:04] <agentc0re> BP{k}: Hopefully once everything settles that the beer turns red. :)  The was the point of wanting to make it.
[10:05] <agentc0re> according to this beer calculator it should be anywhere between, copper to Red/Lt. Brown.
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[10:08] <slava_dp> init[1]|znc, sshfs is great stuff. i use it daily.
[10:08] <init[1]|znc> slava_dp: yea seriously ..
[10:09] <init[1]|znc> i was looking for smthing like that
[10:10] <init[1]|znc> and this site is cool one http://www.commandlinefu.com/ , are there  similar sites like this ?
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[10:17] <hrad> hey, I installed slackware but it doesn't seem it installed drivers for my ethernet intel 82567LM-3 adapter
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[10:18] <hrad> I tried google but ...really don't know what to do with that
[10:18] <BP{k}> agentc0re: nice :) keep me posted how it turns out *and* taste.
[10:19] <hrad> *network adapter
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[10:20] <Camarade_Tux> ok, the problem isn't vde, seems to be the uml filesystems I got
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[10:20] <thrice`> hrad: which slackware are you on?
[10:20] <Camarade_Tux> (I knew one had a problem but I used the other one yesterday on my friend's machine and it worked)
[10:20] <macavity> hello :-)
[10:20] <thrice`> hi macavity :)  I did mesa 7.5 yesterday :)
[10:20] <hrad> thrice`: 12.2 ...google says that drivers for the 82567LM-3 have been included in the kernel as of 2.6.24.
[10:21] <Camarade_Tux> also, vde2 has the changes required for marionnet now but not in 2.2.2, only >2.2.2
[10:21] <BP{k}> macavity: good afternoon.
[10:21] <Camarade_Tux> yo macavity
[10:21] <thrice`> hrad: try "modprobe e1000"
[10:21] <macavity> thrice`: is gallium the default on 965 yet? i dont rememeber
[10:21] <thrice`> well, gallium stuff is definitely present
[10:22] <macavity> thrice`: that was what caught me with the pants down.. how to even know if i am running it or not?
[10:22] <thrice`> hrad: actually, e1000 should be it, and slackware should pick it up.  are you sure "/sbin/ifconfig -a"  doesn't show an ethX device ?
[10:23] <macavity> BP{k}: alloha :-) Hows the weather where the people drive in the wrong lane? :P
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[10:23] <hrad> thrice`: it doesn't ...ifconfig eth0 up" was something like that this interface doesn't exist
[10:23] <thrice`> macavity: ps, I did a destdir build of mesa ;)
[10:23] <thrice`> hrad: what about "lsmod | grep e100" ?
[10:23] Action: macavity farts in thrice` direction
[10:23] <BP{k}> macavity: reasonable actually. it's dry.
[10:23] <macavity> you were saying? :P
[10:23] <hrad> thrice`: I have to switch to slackware
[10:24] <thrice`> hrad: well, that module should make the interface appear (or, e1000); try the e1000 first
[10:24] <thrice`> er, e1000e
[10:24] <hrad> ok, thank you
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[10:25] <maxote> the latest OpenGL 3.1 is going to be windows's DirectX-11
[10:25] <maxote> damn
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[10:27] <illuz1oN> who wanted proof of the 0day OpenSSH?
[10:27] <illuz1oN> http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Jul/0279.html
[10:27] <Dominian> Seen it
[10:27] <Dominian> its a local exploit
[10:27] <Dominian> I have yet to see it actually executed remotely.. however if that's the same article... he claims he did it remotely
[10:27] Action: Dominian shrugs
[10:27] <illuz1oN> It's remote.
[10:28] <illuz1oN> Same with the LiteSpeed (obviously)
[10:28] <illuz1oN> I know the two guys who found it
[10:28] <illuz1oN> he's been working on finding bugs in them for over a year
[10:28] <macavity> thrice`: it just hit me, wouldnt it have made sense to recompile libdrm *then* xserver-1.6.2, i mean, dri2proto was upgraded, and xserver compiled against that?
[10:28] <Dominian> illuz1oN: I'm not worried about it personally
[10:28] <illuz1oN> Neither am I
[10:29] <illuz1oN> still two pretty big vulns
[10:29] <thrice`> your friends are fucking morons, then
[10:29] <Dominian> If they take down half the 'net to prove white hat hackers wrong.. that's just ego right there
[10:29] <thrice`> macavity: yes, x-server 1.6.2 needed the newer dri2proto
[10:29] <illuz1oN> yea
[10:29] <Dominian> not to mention.. the maintainer of grsecurity did penetration testing for the 0day exploit in question.. works against apparmor/selinux.. doesn't work against grsecurity.
[10:29] <thrice`> I don't know why libdrm was skipped either
[10:29] <illuz1oN> what 0day are you on about?
[10:29] <illuz1oN> the < =2.6.30
[10:29] <thrice`> I did libdrm, mesa, x-server, then intel 2.8RC2
[10:30] <Dominian> illuz1oN: yeah
[10:30] <illuz1oN> I wasn't on about that.
[10:30] <Dominian> Oh wait.. that one is openssh related
[10:30] <Dominian> my bad
[10:30] <Dominian> I didn't read it fully
[10:30] <illuz1oN> np
[10:30] <macavity> thrice`: am i miss informed, or is dri2proto and libdrm no tied together?
[10:30] <Dominian> illuz1oN: Well, if your "buddy" wants to test against my main box ;P
[10:30] <thrice`> macavity: mm, I don't think so
[10:31] <illuz1oN> what's localtime of USA?
[10:31] <Dominian> 10:31am
[10:31] <illuz1oN> i'll sign onto msn, 2 sec
[10:31] <Dominian> well Eastern
[10:31] <macavity> thrice`: ok, i will have a look into this, as the current packages fubars my system
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[10:31] <thrice`> macavity: if you didn't see -current, pat fixed the comopsite issue
[10:32] <thrice`> hrad: any luck?
[10:32] <macavity> thrice`: .. havent tried the xf86-video-intel-2.7.99.901-i486-1 one yet
[10:32] <hrad> thrice`: the e1000 driver was already in
[10:32] <macavity> aaahhhh
[10:32] <macavity> SCHWEEEET!
[10:32] <hrad> lsmod | grep e100 >   120900   0
[10:32] <thrice`> I am currently mesa 7.5, x-server 1.6.2, and intel 2.7.99.902
[10:32] <macavity> thrice`: i missed that one :-)
[10:33] <thrice`> hrad: so, does eth0 show up then?
[10:33] <hrad> no
[10:33] <hrad> still : doesn't exists
[10:33] <macavity> thrice`: how's the new mesa performaing?
[10:33] <thrice`> hrad: to confirm, it's actually the "e1000" loaded ?
[10:33] <thrice`> macavity: hasn't crashed yet ;)
[10:33] <hrad> yes
[10:33] <hrad> it was in the lsmod
[10:34] <illuz1oN> he isn't online Dominian
[10:34] <hrad> e1000      120900   0
[10:34] <illuz1oN> i'll let you know when he is however
[10:34] <thrice`> hrad: did you try the "e1000e" instead ?
[10:34] <hrad> nopw
[10:34] <Dominian> illuz1oN: k
[10:34] <hrad> I'll try it up
[10:34] <Dominian> I'm just curious to see what it does
[10:34] <Dominian> as long as he doesn't go apeshit if it works and delete all my crap
[10:35] <hrad> thrice`: any further idea ?
[10:35] <hrad> if this doesn't help
[10:35] <thrice`> hrad: well, support changed in the kernel on a few cards from the e1000 -> e1000e; your card might be affected by this
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[10:35] <hrad> ok
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[10:35] <thrice`> hrad: everything on google says that either the e1000 or e1000e should do it
[10:35] <sdfgdfzd> is there a script for find you outside ip ?
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[10:37] <macavity> sdfgdfzd: myip.dk tells you
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[10:37] <maxote> Pat should release it soon, and update most packages for 13.1
[10:37] <sdfgdfzd> maxote, is 13.1 next release ?
[10:37] <Dominian> no
[10:37] <Dominian> 13.0 will be
[10:37] <macavity> maxote: honnestly i dont think you have the technical expertise to tell what Patrick should or shouldnt do :P
[10:37] <sdfgdfzd> close to been release ?
[10:38] <Dominian> WhenItsReady(tm)
[10:38] <sdfgdfzd> k
[10:38] <maxote> Xorg, 1.6.1 or 1.6.2 ?
[10:38] <macavity> i personally hope he holds it off untill xf86-video-intel-2.8 is out
[10:38] <slava_dp> macavity ++
[10:38] <macavity> xserver-1.6.2 is in current
[10:39] <maxote> 13.0rc1 still uses 1.6.1
[10:39] <slava_dp> maxote, fail
[10:39] <macavity> rc1 has been upgraded :P
[10:39] <thrice`> macavity: 1.6.2 is in current
[10:39] <thrice`> maxote: ^
[10:39] <thrice`> and thus, will be in 13.0
[10:40] <sdfgdfzd> maxote, can you d/load 13.0rc ?
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[10:40] <maxote> ohh, my 13.0rc1 is obsolete!
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[10:41] <slava_dp> maxote, use slackpkg and update it
[10:41] <maxote> i've to get current online it.
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[10:43] <macavity> whohas ff-3.5.x-tgz for slackware 12.x? :P
[10:43] <hrad> thrice`: no way
[10:43] <Dominian> macavity: just grab the one from -current
[10:43] <macavity> Dominian: it is a txz
[10:43] <hrad> modprobe e1000e ok, but no result
[10:43] <hrad> still can't find the eth0 device
[10:44] <Dominian> macavity: doh
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[10:44] <Dominian> macavity: have some repackage it..?
[10:44] <thrice`> hrad: sorry, that's all I can find :(
[10:44] <macavity> Dominian: i was oping for a wgettable url ;-)
[10:44] <thrice`> macavity: install xz utils, and un-xz it && gzip it :)
[10:45] <Dominian> heh
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[10:45] <macavity> hrad: are you on one of those new shiny X33 chipsets with a builting intel NIC?
[10:46] <sahko> http://xkcd.com/ LOL
[10:46] <hrad> macavity: I just got it in my job, but it's pretty new
[10:47] <missyjane> sahko, lol yea i often wonder how microsoft programmed their wait dialog
[10:48] <hrad> macavity: Intel PROSet Version 13.1.4.0
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[10:50] <hrad> macavity: omg, I will have to change distro because of network adapter driver
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[10:51] <thumbs> hrad: compile a new kernel?
[10:52] <macavity> thrice`: i just grapped the slackbuild and edited the last line
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[10:54] <hrad> thumbs: my boss is already complaining that I haven't done anything since morning
[10:55] <thumbs> hrad: compiling a new kernel can be done in the background
[10:55] <hrad> thumbs: do you know about some good tutorial (trustfull) ? I haven't done it for 2 years
[10:56] <thumbs> hrad: zcat /proc/config.gz, make menuconfig, load old config file, add your NIC as a module, and compile.
[10:56] <thumbs> hrad: err zcat /proc/config.gz > .old_config
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[11:01] <Camarade_Tux> head desk, head desk, head desk, head desk, head desk, and a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong face palm ='(
[11:02] <Camarade_Tux> marionnet wasn't working because I was trying to use a 32bit kernel on slackware64 ='(
[11:02] <alsonken1church> double-DOH!!
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[11:02] <Camarade_Tux> I was simply too used to complete emulation and didn't get it for user-mode linux ='(
[11:03] <Camarade_Tux> it's the first time I use uml, it simply didn't occur to me ='(
[11:03] <init[1]|znc> how secure is your password in memory (RAM) ? try this
[11:03] <init[1]|znc> sudo dd if=/dev/mem | cat| strings | grep youranypass
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[11:10] <NthDegree> init[1]|znc, that doesn't apply
[11:10] <Camarade_Tux> doesn't work here either
[11:11] <NthDegree> init[1]|znc, anyone with any sense limits /dev/mem to only video memory regions for a start
[11:11] <NthDegree> and it doesn't display in video memory since it's never echo'ed to screen
[11:11] <init[1]|znc> NthDegree: but i got my gmail password
[11:11] <init[1]|znc> from it
[11:11] <NthDegree> init[1]|znc, did you compile your kernel with "Filter access to /dev/mem" ?
[11:12] <init[1]|znc> btw it would keep on dumping , i had stopped that in between
[11:12] <init[1]|znc> NthDegree: no ..
[11:12] <NthDegree> init[1]|znc, then it's your own fault :P
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[11:12] <init[1]|znc> lol :)
[11:12] <NthDegree> also only root should be able to touch /dev/mem anyway
[11:13] <NthDegree> once someone has root then they can keylog you with a nasty kernel module or app that hooks into X11 RECORD extension anyway
[11:13] <NthDegree> infact they don't even need root to keylog X11 (theoretically)
[11:14] <NthDegree> currently the only system which has a solution to this is Solaris with Trusted Solaris Extensions
[11:14] <init[1]|znc> yea , just gave proof of concept .. just trying to be naughty with my system
[11:14] <init[1]|znc> NthDegree: you mean the X11 thing?
[11:15] <NthDegree> init[1]|znc, yeah the X11 thing =]
[11:15] <NthDegree> Fedora will soon have Security-Enhanced Xorg, which makes use of SELinux to provide security in a similar way to Trusted Solaris Desktop =]
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[11:16] <NthDegree> but outside of that, there isn't really a solid solution if you get p0wned
[11:17] <NthDegree> but high-security systems don't use GUIs anyway and lock down every app using both MAC and DAC permissions to control information flow
[11:18] <init[1]|znc> think like i should read more about SElinux ..
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[11:40] <nooblet> is there any reason to run 13 rc over 12.2?
[11:41] <thrice`> of course
[11:41] <thrice`> all the apps are newer, xorg / kernel / toolchain is updated, the latest kde/xfce
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[11:43] <sahko> also testing it and reporting quirks you may find
[11:43] <nooblet> is it hard to switch? i just bittorrented the slackware cd cuz i do not trust having easy to find drivers for my wireless usb card.
[11:44] <nooblet> i started googling to figure out how in the hell i missed there was a rc when i was on slack two day ago to download it
[11:44] <thrice`> well, there aren't "official" media released for RC's, so it's easy to miss
[11:44] <nooblet> i wanted to just net upgrade but its a new kernel too rigth?
[11:45] <thrice`> that doesn't matter, you can update to it
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[11:45] <thrice`> (if you're careful).  it's not challenging, but should be done pretty carefully
[11:45] <nooblet> like do most ppl build world to upgrade or just use a package upgrader
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[11:46] <nooblet> cool ill update it ... im sure it will be documented once i get it running... thank guys
[11:46] <sahko> read CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT and UPGRADE.TXT on a mirror
[11:46] <thrice`> slackpkg can do it for you too
[11:47] <thrice`> although, 13.0 introduces a new package format, so it's a little trickier than usual
[11:47] <nooblet> yeah... i need to learn them... i had debians package installer kill my machine cuz i was trying to figure out how the usb drivers were connected
[11:49] <nooblet> i know the exact user error that caused it but i had no way to fix it... that i was capable of it deleted all the kernels and all the dependences i  had a good laugh
[11:49] <nooblet> unless you were dumb enough to type rm -rf / you could mess up the whole system back in the day
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[11:58] <DenNOLA> Hey guys.  Tring to get a game working and the tech from its forum suggests going to my card's website (ATI) and downloading latest drivers.  I am concerned with making any changes that could affect performance so I thought I'd ask for advice here.
[11:59] <DenNOLA> Here is the tech's specific message:  http://frictionalgames.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3075&pid=24985#pid24985
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[12:01] <archimandrita> hello
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[12:04] <archimandrita> I have a problem compiling oyranos cms in 64, it no find libiconv, but in the past in x86 I haven't a problem
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[12:05] <archimandrita> I correctly installed gnu libiconv
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[12:05] <archimandrita> any idea
[12:06] <thrice`> how did you install libiconv ?
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[12:07] <archimandrita> I compile this and install
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[12:07] <thrice`> so, you didn't make a package, so I can see what got installed ?
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[12:08] <archimandrita> ./configure --libdir=/usr/lib64
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[12:08] <thrice`> and prefix'd to /usr ?
[12:08] <archimandrita> no
[12:09] <thrice`> so, you have /usr/local/lib64 ?
[12:09] <archimandrita> yes
[12:09] <thrice`> wait, /usr/lib64, and /usr/local/bin ?
[12:09] <thrice`> nevermind, I'm going to bow out.
[12:10] <thrice`> what is the error that oyranos is giving at configure, btw?
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[12:14] <archimandrita> liboyranos.so.0.1.7: undefined reference to 'libiconv
[12:14] <archimandrita> in make
[12:14] <archimandrita> the configure it's ok
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[12:15] <archimandrita> and undefined reference 'libiconv_close'
[12:15] <archimandrita> and open
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[12:22] <archimandrita> linking oyranos-monitor ...
[12:22] <archimandrita> liboyranos.so.0.1.7:undefined reference to 'libiconv'
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[12:23] <archimandrita> liboyranos.so.0.1.7:undefined reference to 'libiconv_close'
[12:23] <Dominian> Sounds like an $ARCH issue
[12:23] <Dominian> wha twas the configure line you used?
[12:24] <archimandrita> twas
[12:24] <archimandrita> simple ./configure
[12:24] <Dominian> you ran ./configure only?
[12:24] <Dominian> not something like:
[12:24] <Dominian> CFLAGS="-O2 -fPIC" ./configure --prefix=/usr --libdir=/usr/lib64 ?
[12:24] <Dominian> and this is on slackware64-current right?
[12:25] <archimandrita> a moment
[12:25] <Camarade_Tux> btw, slackware64-current has no /usr/local/lib64 and that makes /usr/bin/install fails
[12:25] <Camarade_Tux> s/makes/can make/
[12:25] <rworkman> for broken install systems, yes. :)
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[12:26] <Camarade_Tux> tell that to the gobject-introspection guys
[12:27] <fire|bird> Greetings everyone. :)
[12:27] <Dominian> s/broken install/lazily programmed/
[12:27] <bluebaron> I'm getting a message from man that says: /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6)
[12:27] <Camarade_Tux> oh, and tell them they don't have doc, oh and that 'any' is not a valid C type, oh and... /me could have a list
[12:27] <bluebaron> Anyone know how I can fix this?\
[12:27] <Dominian> bluebaron: what version of Slackware?
[12:27] <bluebaron> I don't know
[12:28] <Camarade_Tux> errr
[12:28] <Camarade_Tux> do you run slackware?
[12:28] <archimandrita> in the past i have a problem with libiconv compiling gtk2,
[12:28] <thumbs> bluebaron: you don't know>
[12:28] <thumbs> ?
[12:28] <archimandrita> ofcourse
[12:28] <bluebaron> how do I find that?
[12:28] <rworkman> Ask your system administrator.
[12:28] <bluebaron> This is my first day of work here
[12:29] <thumbs> bluebaron: how do you know you even run slackware?
[12:29] <bluebaron> I was told
[12:29] <thrice`> rworkman: btw, not sure if you're aware, but mesa3d a) has a configure script, and b) accepts DESTDIR :>
[12:29] <bluebaron> and i have pkgtool
[12:29] <rworkman> thrice`: inertia. :)
[12:30] <thumbs> bluebaron: cat /etc/slackware-version
[12:30] <rworkman> I'll look into using that for next cycle. :)
[12:30] <thrice`> ok :>  un-necessary patches make me sad
[12:30] <bluebaron> 12.1
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[12:31] <Camarade_Tux> bluebaron: do you have "admin" rights on that system?
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[12:31] <bluebaron> Camarade_Tux, yes I am root
[12:32] <sahko> rworkman: do you have plans of including libnotify any time soon(ish)? just curious as enabling it in XFCE would mean recompiling it
[12:33] <eviljames> Man, I can't wait to virtualize Linux under Windows Server 2008 - it's so nice of Microsoft to submit 22,000 lines of code to the Linux kernel.
[12:34] <NthDegree> eviljames, why not the other way round? ;-p
[12:35] <bluebaron> Anyone know why I'm getting the following when using man? /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6)
[12:35] <bluebaron> bah
[12:35] <bluebaron> sorry
[12:35] <bluebaron> /usr/bin/gtbl: /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6)
[12:37] <thrice`> your system "is broken"
[12:38] <thumbs> bluebaron: let me guess: your precessor used slapt-get to update the system?
[12:38] <thumbs> predecessor, rather
[12:38] <bluebaron> thumbs, I don't know ... maybe ... this is my first day here at this job and consequently my first day with slackware
[12:39] <thrice`> bluebaron: what does thsi return?  "ls /var/log/packages/cxxlibs*"
[12:40] <bluebaron> cxxlibs-6.0.8-i486-4  cxxlibs-6.0.9-i486-1
[12:40] <thrice`> you have two?
[12:40] <bluebaron> they're just logs, right?
[12:40] <bluebaron> i'll check the time stamp
[12:40] <thrice`> a log, yes, but it says that you have two versions of cxx libs installed on your system
[12:41] <rob0> What is the end goal? What were you trying to compile?
[12:41] <bluebaron> thrice`, no it's just saying there are logs from two different cxx, one's from february last year
[12:41] <bluebaron> the older version
[12:42] <rob0> Don't you have some senior admin to turn to? They just turned you loose without guidance?
[12:42] <thrice`> ok, I know what it's saying (i'm the one who has used slackware > 1 day)
[12:42] <jeev> lol rob0
[12:43] <bluebaron> thrice`, it seems like there was probably an update
[12:43] <thrice`> nope, only 1 version remains listed in /var/log/packages
[12:43] <rob0> It's interesting that a company chose Slackware, but odd that they didn't provide for training and administrative continuity.
[12:44] <bluebaron> rob0, ?  Why would I wan to do that when they hired me.  This is a library linking issue as far as I can tell.  I'm asking for help.  I was under the assumption this was the place to go for help with slackware.
[12:44] <rob0> 16:41 < rob0> What is the end goal? What were you trying to compile?
[12:45] <bluebaron> i'm trying to get man to work
[12:45] <bluebaron> man wont even work
[12:45] <rob0> man works out of the box.
[12:45] <bluebaron> ... yes .. and it's not working now
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[12:45] <bluebaron> that's why i've come here
[12:46] <bluebaron> http://dpaste.com/69155/
[12:46] <thrice`> the trouble is it's a black box, who knows what has gone into it.  there are two versions of cxxlibs installed at the same time, which is certainly causing some issues
[12:46] <bluebaron> that's what happens if i type man man
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[12:46] <bluebaron> thrice`, okay, how do i resolve this?
[12:46] <Camarade_Tux> if man is failing cxxlibs isn't the only issue
[12:46] <echelon> bluebaron: division by zero
[12:46] <thrice`> exactly
[12:47] <bluebaron> echelon, so you're saying it's impossible?
[12:47] <echelon> no, jk
[12:47] <rob0> It's probably impossible to troubleshoot in IRC. Someone installed an incompatible binary.
[12:48] <rworkman> sahko: I've been wanting libnotify for a while, but it's only recently that enough things are wanting it (so I can more easily justify it).  Maybe next cycle
[12:48] <echelon> umm.. you need to reinstall.. what do you call it
[12:48] <Camarade_Tux> echelon: besides man and compilation, what fails?
[12:48] <echelon> glibc?
[12:49] <rob0> here's a thought ... sort your /var/log/packages/ files by date, look up the later ones in Slackware 12.1 files
[12:49] <bluebaron> rob0, I get hundreds of hits of people who have this same issue on google; however, their advice does not work
[12:49] <echelon> Camarade_Tux: no, bluebaron has the problem
[12:49] <Camarade_Tux> echelon: yeah, fingerfail :)
[12:49] <rob0> (try to revert to a Slackware 12.1 system)
[12:49] <Camarade_Tux> bluebaron: besides man and compilation, what else fails?
[12:49] <bluebaron> just man
[12:49] <bluebaron> so far
[12:49] <bluebaron> but this is only my first day
[12:49] <echelon> glibc-solibs might be causing the problem?
[12:50] <echelon> bluebaron: did you do an upgrade or something?
[12:50] <sahko> rworkman: great, im not in a hurry. it just seems to be utilized by many things. (which would probably mean recompliling them all which will be time sonsuming). anyway, thanks
[12:50] <bluebaron> i'm sure there's probably a hundred issues
[12:50] <rob0> groff is giving the error, start with that
[12:50] <bluebaron> echelon, no, but someone probably did at one time
[12:50] <rob0> probably ... I think I'd put it out of its misery and reinstall -current, if it was me.
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[12:50] <bluebaron> rob0, i can't reinstall a production server
[12:50] <bluebaron> on my first day
[12:51] <bluebaron> okay so none are willing to help
[12:51] <bluebaron> thanks guys
[12:51] <sahko> and with a distribution you seem to be unfamiliar with. overkill
[12:51] <rob0> sheesh
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[12:52] <rob0> I gave you lots of suggestions, and you, idiot, say: 16:51 < bluebaron> okay so none are willing to help
[12:52] <rob0> One more for /ignore, bye.
[12:52] <bluebaron> rob0, i can't reinstall, rob.  you gave me no other solutions
[12:53] <thumbs> bluebaron: you're not making any friends with that behaviour.
[12:53] <BP{k}> [16:50] ( rob0) groff is giving the error, start with that <-- you obviously fail to utterly read and understand
[12:53] <bluebaron> thumbs, i'm sorry?  i apologize if i have offended anyone.  that was certainly not my attention
[12:54] <echelon> less apologizing, and more following instructions
[12:54] <bluebaron> BP{k}, groff and gtbl are giving the erros, that means that the issue is likely united
[12:54] <bluebaron> okay
[12:54] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[12:54] <bluebaron> where should i start with groff
[12:54] <bluebaron> reinstall?
[12:54] <Camarade_Tux> no, what is the exact error with groff?
[12:55] <ananke> you were given no history of this issue?
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[12:55] <appzer0> bluebaron: current ? 12.2 ? up-to-date ? cat /etc/slackware-version
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[12:56] <Camarade_Tux> appzer0: 12.1 apparently
[12:56] <sahko> he already replied to both these questions. stop wasting the man's time :P
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[12:57] <Camarade_Tux> sahko: I got lost in the backlog, what was the error for groff?
[12:57] <ananke> sahko : so you'd rather deprive him of possible help?
[12:57] <appzer0> ok, so be it
[12:57] <bluebaron> Slackware 12.1.0
[12:57] <sahko> Camarade_Tux: http://dpaste.com/69155/
[12:57] <appzer0> if he does not know about slackware, an update with slackpkg would be of great help
[12:58] <Camarade_Tux> boot on something else, remove gcc*, remove cxxlibs, reinstall?
[12:58] <ananke> bluebaron : what's the history behind this issue?
[12:58] <zaltekk> can someone recommend a browser to try other than firefox?
[12:58] <bluebaron> ouch, that's harsh for what seems like an outdated gcc library file
[12:59] <ananke> zaltekk : opera
[12:59] <thrice`> I would also remove both of the cxx packages, and reinstall the one from 12.1
[12:59] <sahko> zaltekk: elinks
[12:59] <Camarade_Tux> zaltekk: midori, uzbl, maybe arora
[12:59] <bluebaron> ananke, just using man ... the gcc library file is 3.6, but 4.2.3 is clearly installed
[12:59] <appzer0> zaltekk: midori
[12:59] <zaltekk> i really like konqueoror in kde3.  but i have problems with websites like facebook that are script heavy not working completely.
[12:59] <archimandrita> lynks\
[12:59] <thrice`> I like arora if you have qt4 installed
[12:59] <thrice`> er, qt 4.5+
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[12:59] <zaltekk> Camarade_Tux: i've never heard of any of those...but i'll take the names down
[12:59] <Camarade_Tux> zaltekk: all using webkit :)
[12:59] <ananke> bluebaron : have you taken a backup of the current system yet?
[12:59] <zaltekk> ananke: i forgot about opera.  i used it a long time ago and it worked quite well.  i'll look at it.
[13:00] <zaltekk> archimandrita: i am looking for an X browser
[13:00] <Dominian> thrice`: is that the one based on webkit?
[13:00] <zaltekk> Camarade_Tux: i've been hearing about that a good bit.
[13:00] <thrice`> Dominian: yep, but it uses webkit from qt4
[13:00] <XGizzmo> thrice`: arora is being a PITA on -current.
[13:00] <thrice`> sadly, yes
[13:00] <bluebaron> ananke, no, i'm not going to be allowed to do a major overhaul on this production server
[13:01] <thrice`> nice browser though
[13:01] <zaltekk> can anyone confirm that those webkit browsers work properly with facebook?
[13:01] <bluebaron> okay
[13:01] <XGizzmo> yeah I ik eit
[13:01] <XGizzmo> I like it
[13:01] <bluebaron> thanks for the help, folks ... i'll be back if i can't resolve it
[13:01] <archimandrita> the w3c have an x browser that name is .....
[13:02] <ananke> bluebaron : uhmm, making a backup before making any changes is a GOOD THING [tm]. just because you think it won't be a major overhaul, it still may end up breaking existing stuff
[13:02] <zaltekk> lol...i googled midori and the first hit was bourbon :P
[13:02] <Dominian> hah
[13:02] <bluebaron> ananke, yes, i agree
[13:03] <archimandrita> oops the name it's the name of the spanish women
[13:03] <archimandrita> the complex of the www today go to two browsers onli or two motors
[13:04] <Dominian> thrice`: going to install arora on this windows box
[13:06] <zaltekk> is it worth recompiling my kernel on my laptop to enable the preemption in the kernel?
[13:07] <zaltekk> will it make a huge difference in things like my web browser that aren't completely smooth when they scroll and such?
[13:07] <zaltekk> on average i use 0.1% of my cpu, but things still appear to bog down
[13:07] <zaltekk> i think i'm at about 13% memory usage
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[13:09] <fire|bird> greetings gar0t0
[13:10] <Camarade_Tux> zaltekk: which graphic driver are you using?
[13:10] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird!
[13:11] <zaltekk> Camarade_Tux: the nvidia binary
[13:11] <zaltekk> it made a huge improvement
[13:11] <zaltekk> but things still seem to slow down for no reason
[13:11] <superGear> nvidia > amd/ati
[13:11] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux
[13:11] <zaltekk> like XMMS's little equalizer bar missing frames and freezing for a split second
[13:11] <superGear> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fire|bird !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[13:11] <zaltekk> when i am using no system resources at all
[13:11] <fire|bird> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\superGear/////////////////////////
[13:11] <superGear> maybe it's just xmms
[13:12] <zaltekk> firefox does it too
[13:12] <Camarade_Tux> zaltekk: firefox is a very bad X application too
[13:12] <zaltekk> hmm
[13:12] <eviljames> I'm going to smash you both, superGear & fire|bird for filling up my screen with pointless crap :D
[13:12] <superGear> use IE
[13:12] <archimandrita> firefox+flash=****
[13:12] <TwinReverb> barf
[13:12] <fire|bird> eviljames: ok, here's to ya. ///////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[13:12] <zaltekk> Camarade_Tux: i'd still like to know...is the quickness gain from preemption significant?
[13:13] <Camarade_Tux> zaltekk: I don't know, I've disabled it here :D
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[13:13] <vdvluc> Hi
[13:13] <zaltekk> Camarade_Tux: it is disabled in the default hugesmp.s, right?
[13:13] <Camarade_Tux> has anyone small video clips on his computer?
[13:13] <superGear> i use nvidia and have no problems
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[13:13] <superGear> i use kde4 too
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[13:14] <mirash> can grub load slack?
[13:14] <twolf> nothing like a beer on Monday morning
[13:14] <Camarade_Tux> superGear: with all the effects?
[13:14] <ccfreak2k> zaltekk, preemptable kernel?
[13:14] <Camarade_Tux> mirash: yes
[13:14] <Dominian> mirash: yes
[13:14] <zaltekk> mirash: grub is in extra i think
[13:14] <mirash> i hav mandriva installed
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[13:14] <superGear> not all effects as i don't like all the effects
[13:14] <zaltekk> ccfreak2k: yes.  is it disabled?
[13:14] <mirash> i need to boot slack too through it
[13:14] <Dominian> mirash: my condolences
[13:14] <ccfreak2k> Beats me.
[13:14] <ccfreak2k> /boot/config or something should tell you.
[13:15] <Camarade_Tux> zaltekk: you might want to run xwmconfig, chose another and check how things work
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[13:15] <mirash> i hav edited menu.lst in grub folder in mandriva
[13:15] <zaltekk> hmm.  yeah... the file is there
[13:15] <mirash> and added the kernel and path
[13:15] Action: superGear uses lilo
[13:15] <mirash> but not booting
[13:15] <Camarade_Tux> mirash: any error?
[13:15] <zaltekk> Camarade_Tux: but why would i have trouble running KDE3.5 on a core2duo with 4GB of ram and a nvidia 9800gts?
[13:15] <Camarade_Tux> zaltekk: misconfiguration
[13:15] <zaltekk> Camarade_Tux: or lack thereof?
[13:15] <superGear> zaltekk, user error
[13:15] <mirash> my slack is installed in /hda3
[13:16] <Camarade_Tux> zaltekk:  ;)
[13:16] <mirash> so what is the path i need to give it?
[13:16] <Camarade_Tux> mirash: /hda3 or /dev/hda3?
[13:16] <superGear> /dev/hda3 ?
[13:16] <zaltekk> I'm trying to figure out what to do next to improve things =/
[13:16] <Camarade_Tux> plus "hda" is not valid with grub iirc
[13:16] <alienBOB> mirash: you can instruct grub to chainload slackware's lilo
[13:16] <superGear> hda can be valid with grub
[13:16] <mirash> how
[13:16] <zaltekk> grub uses (hd0,0) and such i think
[13:16] <Camarade_Tux> mirash: use (hd0,2) I think
[13:16] <superGear> if it's root=/dev/hda3
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[13:17] <mirash> title slack
[13:17] <superGear> (hd0,2)
[13:17] <bluebaron> okay, my boss says that I can update the system.  Does anyone think that would resolve my issue?
[13:17] <superGear> title kernel root options
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[13:18] <gtl> yo all
[13:18] <superGear> yo
[13:18] <fire|bird> y0 gtl
[13:18] <superGear> how may fire|bird help you, gtl
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[13:19] <mirash> kernel what about BOOT_IMAGE?
[13:19] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: I iz not a chatterbot
[13:19] <hrad> is it good idea to compile the newest release of kernel ? linux-2.6.28.9.tar.gz
[13:19] <TwinReverb> hrad, sure, why not?
[13:19] Action: fire|bird hands gtl a cup of coffee and a donut.
[13:19] <TwinReverb> but isn't 2.6.30.1 the newest release?
[13:19] <superGear> that isn't the latest kernel tho
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[13:19] Action: gtl thanks fire|bird! much appreciatted!
[13:19] <zaltekk> 2.6.30.1 is, eh?
[13:20] <superGear> tho i don't think nvidia drivers work with the latest kernel
[13:20] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: Why would you wonder such a thing? :P
[13:20] <hrad> yep
[13:20] <hrad> thanks
[13:20] <superGear> fire|bird is a bot?
[13:20] <zaltekk> hrad: someone yesterday was saying that nvidia binary drivers + kde on the newest kernel causes crashes very often
[13:20] <alienBOB> mirash: first let Slackware install lilo into the root sector of your Slackware partition /dev/hda3
[13:20] <superGear> a AI bot?
[13:20] <alienBOB> Then use this in your grub menu.lst:
[13:20] <alienBOB> title Slackware
[13:20] <alienBOB>   rootnoverify (hd0,2)
[13:20] Channel flood from alienBOB -- kicking
[13:20] <alienBOB>   chainloader +1
[13:20] alienBOB kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood
[13:20] <TwinReverb> just rememeber that rebuilding kernel means rebuilding the nvidia drivers
[13:20] <hrad> zaltekk, that's why I was asking if it is a good idea
[13:21] <zaltekk> TwinReverb: you rebuild the kernel interface
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[13:21] <TwinReverb> wow lol
[13:21] <superGear> wow BOB got kicked
[13:21] <superGear> bad bot
[13:21] <superGear> well good bot i guess
[13:21] <thrice`> lol
[13:21] <superGear> it did its job
[13:21] <Camarade_Tux>  :d
[13:21] <archimandrita> can anyone explain how this works
[13:21] <archimandrita>   IRC rules and what is the purpose of this channel
[13:21] <alienBOB> I'd kick slackboy but we would be left without watchman
[13:21] <Kaapa> archimandrita: /topic
[13:22] <TwinReverb> not really, if you put all the bans in the ban list
[13:22] <alienBOB> archimandrita: check out the /topic
[13:22] <TwinReverb> you'd simply be left without flood kicking
[13:22] <superGear> IRC rules be at #help or smthin
[13:22] <alienBOB> The channel banlist is just a bit too visible. I prefer the bot
[13:22] <mirash> alienBOB: but i cant load mandriva from lilo
[13:23] <superGear> why not?
[13:23] <mirash> its better to boot slack thru grub i think
[13:23] <alienBOB> mirash: read what I said
[13:23] <TwinReverb> you can load mandriva through lilo just fine if you configure it
[13:23] <alienBOB> Grub will remain your primry bootloader in the MBR
[13:23] <archimandrita> thanks
[13:23] <mirash> i onve tried that and i booted up the mandriva kernel
[13:23] <alienBOB> Grub will load lilo (that is called chainloading)
[13:23] <TwinReverb> i dual boot slackware 13.0-rc1 and slackware64-13.0-rc1
[13:23] <alienBOB> mirash: you have a lot to learn yet. Now go, read documentation
[13:23] <mirash> but many of the driver s were  not loaded
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[13:24] <superGear> i dual boot Windows 7 RC and slackware-current
[13:24] <mirash> i am trying to boot up slackware through grub
[13:24] <alienBOB> mirash: I gave you the recipe, read the backlog ffs
[13:24] <superGear> forget about mandriva and just use slackware ;P
[13:25] <hrad> I'm having issues with network adapter 82567LM-3...the e1000 and e1000e drivers don't make it in the default kernel in 12.2 release...I hope the compilation will do it
[13:25] <superGear> do as alienBOB said to do as well
[13:25] <hrad> the intel network adapter
[13:25] <mirash> superGear: i cant see flash movies with slack
[13:25] <superGear> hrad, try and you'll find out!
[13:25] <superGear> mirash, yes you can
[13:25] <superGear> install flash
[13:25] <mirash> its too slow for multimedia
[13:25] <mirash> its a very hard thing
[13:25] <superGear> ....
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[13:25] <superGear> install video drivers
[13:26] <archimandrita> the flash firefox and ext3 are ***
[13:26] <mirash> i cant boot up my slack
[13:26] <hrad> Superbaloo, I hope the drivers will be newer in the new kernel
[13:26] <superGear> what about flash firefox and reiserfs?!?
[13:26] <mirash> i hav to do it from grub itself
[13:27] <mirash> kernel (hd1,2)/vmlinuz BOOT_IMAGE=linux root=/dev/hda3 resume=/dev/hda3
[13:27] <superGear> mikearr, you coulld boot from CD/DVD
[13:27] <alienBOB> hrad: I hope you installed a kernel-modules package ?
[13:27] <mirash> is that correct?
[13:27] <superGear> no
[13:27] <archimandrita> supergear: I dont know with reiserfs
[13:27] <hrad> alienBOB, full installation
[13:27] <mirash> or (hd0,2)    ?
[13:27] <alienBOB> The 12.2 kernel has e1000
[13:28] <hrad> it does, but it didn't work
[13:28] <hrad> neither e1000e
[13:28] <hrad> don't know why, it simply couldn't find the adapter with these drivers
[13:28] <superGear> mirash, http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html
[13:29] <alienBOB> hrad: what is your lspci output (I guess others asked you the same)? And what do you find in `dmesg` ?
[13:29] <caio> hi guys, do you recommend me to wait for slackware 13 to install on a eee pc?
[13:29] <alienBOB> caio: it's all up to you
[13:29] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: did you see the second part of antisec's? =) http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2009-July/069752.html even lamer :)
[13:29] <hrad> alienBOB, I'm unfortunately gone from my office
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[13:29] <superGear> go back to the office
[13:30] <caio> alienBOB: ok, 12.2 then it's ok..
[13:30] <bluebaron> Everyone!  I figured it out.  That gcc error.
[13:31] <thumbs> bluebaron: you did?
[13:31] <thumbs> bluebaron: do tell
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[13:31] <bluebaron> Someone had installed the g++ gcc 4.2.3 but not the base package
[13:31] <thumbs> ah.
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[13:31] <hrad> alienBOB,  eth0: Error while getting interface flags: No such device
[13:32] <hrad> while ifconfig eth0 up
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[13:32] <alienBOB> hrad: did you do "ifconfig -a" ? What is in your dmesg output?
[13:33] <alienBOB> caio: what eeepc type?
[13:33] <caio> alienBOB: 1000he
[13:33] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: oooooh!  I'm TERRIFIED.
[13:33] <hrad> alienBOB, can't say...that's what I remember, I'm at home now and I can't ssh there
[13:34] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: I think I'm going to run an unpatched, vulnerable version of openssh on port 22 for the next few weeks and see if anything compromises.
[13:34] <thumbs> eviljames: make a chroot, and honeypot
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[13:34] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: I'm waiting for comments from the openbsd guys ;p
[13:35] <alienBOB> hrad: looks like support for your 82567LM-3 card was not added before 2.6.27.14
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[13:35] <fredoslack> I liked freebsd :}
[13:35] <alienBOB> hrad: which will require you to get a newer kernel or upgrade to Slackware-current
[13:35] <DejaVoodoo> file 5.0.3 fixes buffer overflows
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[13:35] <alienBOB> caio: if you install Slackware 12.2 you will not get full hardware support. If you install slackware-current (or Slackware 13.0 soon) your hardware will be fully supported
[13:36] <eviljames> thumbs: I don't think it's going to be worth that much effort - I'm firmly in the "This is FUD" camp until I see evidence otherwise.
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[13:37] <hrad> alienBOB, I didn't know I could have a current version
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[13:37] <alienBOB> hrad: by installing it
[13:37] <DejaVoodoo> http://requiescant.tuxfamily.org/spack/index.html
[13:37] <fredoslack> I tried slackpkg
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[13:37] <caio> alienBOB: great!, that was what i wanted to know. I can wait. Thanks Eric.
[13:37] <fredoslack> does it work perfectly
[13:38] <thumbs> fredoslack: slackpkg is great
[13:38] <alienBOB> I have slackware-current running on my 1000h
[13:38] <fredoslack> its works *
[13:38] <thumbs> fredoslack: it works great, and updates your system in 4-5 keypresses
[13:38] <thumbs> fredoslack: great for the lazy slacker.
[13:39] <fredoslack> lol
[13:39] <caio> alienBOB: and what is the battery performance? all keys and functions supported?
[13:39] <slava_dp> "lazy slacker". what a great word combination.
[13:39] <fredoslack> yes I tested with the kernel
[13:39] <fredoslack> perfect :}
[13:39] <caio> alienBOB: i saw your eeepc-acpi scripts, based on debian ones..i think i will need them
[13:39] <hrad> alienBOB, you mean 13.0 ?
[13:39] <alienBOB> hrad: simple test if youor computer can boot from USB: download slackware-current's usbboot.img, copy it to a USB stick, boot from it, look at "ifconfig -a"
[13:39] <thumbs> slava_dp: isn't it?
[13:40] <slava_dp> thumbs: without any doubt =)
[13:40] <fredoslack> I have yet to solve my problem wine 64
[13:40] <fredoslack> :(
[13:41] <alienBOB> caio: my 1000h gets 6 hours of battery life running Slackware with wifi enabled, KDE4 with opengl compositing enabled and my own activities
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[13:41] <alienBOB> fredoslack: wine64 does not yet have much use. Most Windows apps are still 32bit
[13:42] <alienBOB> caio: my acpi scripts enable all of the function keys that were otherwise not working before
[13:42] <fredoslack> alienBOB,  that means my 32-bit applications do not work?
[13:42] <fredoslack> with wine 64 and slack 64
[13:42] <alienBOB> fredoslack: you need the 32bit wine for 32bit Windows apps
[13:42] <superGear> you need wine 32bit binary
[13:42] <fredoslack> ok
[13:42] <Camarade_Tux> most importantly wine64 is still unstable, probably more than WinMe :)
[13:42] <superGear> wine 64bit binary is pretty useless atm
[13:43] <fredoslack> lol
[13:43] <alienBOB> You can run (and compile) 32bit wine on slackware64 after you've installed multilib extensions
[13:43] <fredoslack> ok
[13:43] Action: superGear has no use for a 64bit OS
[13:43] <superGear> tho i lose 500 MB of ram
[13:44] <alienBOB> Like the ones at http://www.slackware.org.uk/slamd64/slackware64-current/ fredoslack
[13:44] <NthDegree> superGear, if you have 1GB of RAM or more then you do
[13:44] <caio> alienBOB: good to known about your eeexperience.. i'll be back after release v13
[13:44] <NthDegree> otherwise you lose performance
[13:44] <alienBOB> superGear: slackware64 is definitely faster than 32bit slackware on a 64bit computer
[13:44] <superGear> i have 4 GBs of ram
[13:44] <NthDegree> superGear, then you should have changed ages ago
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[13:44] <fredoslack> alienBOB,  you must install all packages ?
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[13:44] <NthDegree> as hacks are needed to support more than 1GB RAM
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[13:45] <superGear> 1 GB of ram is kind of crappy on 64bit
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[13:45] <fredoslack> a-compat d-compat l-compat etc ?
[13:45] <NthDegree> superGear, how is it? :S
[13:45] <fredoslack> compat32 *
[13:45] <alienBOB> fredoslack: yes, that would be better
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[13:45] <superGear> NthDegree, um you mean hacks needed for more than 4GBs
[13:45] <NthDegree> superGear, no for 1GB
[13:45] <NthDegree> superGear, support had to be added for more than 1GB
[13:45] <fredoslack> alienBOB,  no risk of conflict?
[13:45] <superGear> years ago of course
[13:45] <NthDegree> i'll get the LWN article
[13:46] <superGear> as i had 0 problems with 2 GBs on any 32bit OS
[13:46] <alienBOB> fredoslack: without risk no progress
[13:46] <NthDegree> superGear, http://kerneltrap.org/node/2450
[13:46] <NthDegree> superGear, it uses hacks which lower performance.. to quote it:
[13:46] <hrad> alienBOB, I know a lot of people is asking, but do you know when the 13.0 might be out?
[13:46] <NthDegree> Should I enable CONFIG_HIGHMEM for my 1 GB RAM system?
[13:46] <NthDegree> It is advised to not enable CONFIG_HIGHMEM in the kernel to utilize the extra 128 MB you get for your 1 GB RAM system. I/O Devices cannot directly address high memory from PCI space, so bounce buffers have to be used. Plus the virtual memory management and paging costs come with extra mappings. For details on bounce buffers, refer to Mel Gorman's documentation (link below).
[13:47] <fredoslack> anyway when it does not, it's the worst :p
[13:47] <superGear> I still not need 64bit atm
[13:47] <alienBOB> hrad: when it is ready
[13:47] <NthDegree> There's two lots of hacks, one for between 1GB and 4GB and another for allowing up to 64GB
[13:47] <superGear> tho i do run 64bit Windows
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[13:48] <superGear> ewww peanuts
[13:48] <spook> hrad: why dont you try GNU/Hurd, its much better than slackware
[13:48] <hrad> alienBOB, because it sounds bad
[13:49] <fredoslack> want you superGear  :p
[13:49] <superGear> you want me?
[13:49] <superGear> that sounds gay
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[13:49] <fredoslack> error in my online translator  :(
[13:49] <slava_dp> lol
[13:50] <fire|bird> online translation fail. :P
[13:50] <alienBOB> hrad: bad? What bad?
[13:50] <hrad> the gnu/hurd, I've never heard of it
[13:50] <fredoslack> superGear,
[13:50] <superGear> spook said that
[13:50] <fredoslack> I wanted to send you peanuts
[13:51] <fredoslack> whith DCC :p
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[13:51] <hrad> alienBOB, sorry, tab typo
[13:51] <slava_dp> GNU/Hurd boots so much faster than Slackware. Why are we still using Linux?
[13:52] <powtrix> hurd?
[13:52] <alsonken1church> I hear a FLAME FEST coming :)
[13:52] Action: slava_dp giggles
[13:52] <powtrix> is it to eat?
[13:52] Action: alienBOB is refraining himself for the past few minutes
[13:53] <archimandrita> hurd it's a no monolithic system
[13:53] <alsonken1church> it's a Hurd of stampeding silencce
[13:53] <Necos> what about hurd? >.>
[13:54] <powtrix> nice to meet you
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[13:56] <Necos> lol
[13:56] <eviljames> I once saw a hurd of stampeding gnus, they were rushing towards me with a speed unmatched by cheetahs, and a fury rivalled only by stampeding elephants.
[13:56] <Necos> LOL
[13:56] <eviljames> As they came towards me, I feared I would be crushed - until suddenly they passed right through me!  It turns out, it was vapour all along.
[13:57] <slava_dp> so true
[13:58] <Necos> microkernels are interesting
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[14:00] <walmartshopper> is anyone else getting random x server crashes after some of the recent updates in -current?
[14:00] <archimandrita> no
[14:00] <eviljames> walmartshopper: pretty much everybody.
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[14:01] <walmartshopper> sometimes using ctrl c to copy a file in dolphin makes my x server restart
[14:01] <eviljames> Intel graphics?
[14:01] <walmartshopper> nvidia 185.18.14
[14:01] <zx10k1> what do i need to do for the kernel to read my local udev rules?
[14:01] <Lord_Khelben> walmartshopper: did you upgrade (or downgrade if you like it better) the pixman package ?
[14:02] <zx10k1> i created /lib/udev/rules.d/90-local.rules but it seems like it has no effect
[14:02] <fire|bird> walmartshopper: I was, but the pixman downgrade fixed that.
[14:02] <Lord_Khelben> the latest -current has it updated to an older version
[14:02] <Lord_Khelben> zx10k1: local udev rules should go to /etc/udev/rules.d/
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[14:02] <walmartshopper> yeah, i downgraded to the older version, but my x server still crashed this morning
[14:03] <agentc0re|work> eviljames: LOL gnu/hurd!  haha
[14:03] <zx10k1> Lord_Khelben, i tried but it makes no difference
[14:03] <walmartshopper> while virtualbox was booting up a copy of XP, which has never happened before
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[14:03] <archimandrita> what is lol??
[14:03] <zx10k1> Lord_Khelben, still CHANGES_AND_HINTS.txt says that rules have moved to /lib/udev/rules.d/
[14:03] <Lord_Khelben> zx10k1: that is the distribution rules that udev supplied
[14:04] <budo> do you all manually do your install packages?
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[14:04] <Lord_Khelben> are you sure there are no typos in your rules ?
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[14:04] <zx10k1> Lord_Khelben, ok I'll mv it to /etc/udev/rules.d and retry
[14:05] <Lord_Khelben> zx10k1: i guess it should work in /lib/udev/rules.d/ too but its cleaner if you put it in /etc
[14:05] <slava_dp> budo: i personally use sbopkg
[14:05] <agentc0re|work> hrad: You should really check this out.  http://timecube.com
[14:05] <alsonken1church> also, udev daemon needs to be restarted or hupped to reread the rules, don't they?
[14:05] <zx10k1> Lord_Khelben, it makes no difference whatsoever, still nada
[14:05] <Lord_Khelben> if there are errors in your rules then they should appear in the rules
[14:05] <Lord_Khelben> i think it uses daemon facility but i am not sure
[14:05] <budo> all i do is 1) tar 2) make, and 3)make install........am i doin it right?
[14:06] <zx10k1> i tried /etc/rc.d/rc.udev restart and reload
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[14:06] <slava_dp> budo: no
[14:06] <walmartshopper> would recompiling the nvidia driver after the pixman downgrade make any difference?
[14:06] <Lord_Khelben> zx10k1: the only thing you need is remove/insert the device
[14:06] <Lord_Khelben> or run udevadm trigger
[14:06] <slava_dp> budo: http://slackbuilds.org
[14:06] <alsonken1church> Lord_Khelben: ^^^
[14:06] <Lord_Khelben> rc.udev restart will do it but it is not necessary
[14:07] <zx10k1> i run udevadm monitor --environment
[14:07] <Lord_Khelben> alsonken1church: what do the carets mean ?
[14:07] <zx10k1> and i can see the udev events being fired
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[14:07] <zx10k1> my rules are really simple
[14:07] <hrad> agentc0re|work, why ?
[14:07] <zx10k1> but they don't seem to get triggered
[14:07] <alsonken1church> \Lord_Khelben: ^^^^ <-- look at my last post :)
[14:07] <Lord_Khelben> ah ok :)
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[14:08] <Lord_Khelben> zx10k1: can you pastebin the rules ?
[14:08] <zx10k1> ok
[14:08] <zaltekk> budo: check out slackbuilds.org  and the program slacktrack.  they both generate slackware packages for you so that you can cleanly remove packages from your system
[14:08] <budo> k
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[14:08] <zaltekk> budo: if you just do "make install", you'll have to manually clean up from what you install
[14:08] <budo> wow really
[14:09] <Lord_Khelben> budo: make DESTDIR=/tmp/something install
[14:09] <zx10k1> http://pastebin.com/m4200b334
[14:09] <Lord_Khelben> will install it to a destdir so you can make a slackware pckage
[14:09] <slava_dp> budo: uh huh. make install == make a mess
[14:09] <Lord_Khelben> read slackbook for more info
[14:09] <zaltekk> budo:  yes.  you want to make slackware packages so that you can use installpkg and have a record of what changes it makes to your system
[14:10] <zx10k1> and here are the events: http://pastebin.com/m1391bef4
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[14:11] <zx10k1> see the event starting on line 58
[14:11] <zx10k1> it should match the second rule
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[14:12] <Lord_Khelben> the rules seem correct
[14:13] <Lord_Khelben> are you sure the script didn't ran  ?
[14:13] <zx10k1> well the script appends to a file
[14:13] <zx10k1> it is just a test script
[14:13] <zx10k1> but the file keeps being empty
[14:13] <zx10k1> hm
[14:13] <zaltekk> weird news on slashdot.  Microsoft releases code under the GPL and Blasphemy is now criminalized in Ireland.
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[14:13] <zx10k1> i've set the file to a relative path
[14:13] <slava_dp> a forgotten chmod +x perhaps?
[14:13] <zx10k1> just a sec..
[14:14] <Lord_Khelben> zx10k1: the file script appends to
[14:14] <zaltekk> sounds like April Fool's Day stories
[14:14] <Lord_Khelben> does it have permission to write to it ?
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[14:14] <zx10k1> Lord_Khelben, i found it!
[14:15] <Lord_Khelben> what was it ?
[14:15] <zx10k1> it was the file to append to that i forgot to set an absolute path
[14:15] <zx10k1> god knows where it has appended
[14:15] <slava_dp> it happens
[14:15] <zx10k1> sorry.. :-)
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[14:15] <Lord_Khelben> zx10k1: run find / -name "name_of_the_file"
[14:15] <zx10k1> found it
[14:15] <zx10k1> it was in /
[14:16] <zx10k1> full of debug messages
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[14:20] <walmartshopper> does the 64bit version have the x server crashes too, or is it just 32bit?  I'm trying to wait until 13.0 is released before I switch, but if it fixes the crashes, I might consider upgrading early
[14:20] <eviljames> walmartshopper: I'm using slackware64, and with the latest updates I have found some stability - provided that I turn compositing off.
[14:20] <Lord_Khelben> walmartshopper: pprkut researched that. 64bit had less crashes but it crashed on some
[14:20] <Lord_Khelben> but every crash was solved with the older pixman
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[14:21] <Lord_Khelben> hello missyjane
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[14:21] <missyjane> omg i have this great music downloaded, but i need to read the meta in order to find out the author of this flash D:!
[14:21] <missyjane> any idea!?
[14:21] <sahko> it wasnt a problem with pixman. theres some more info on a LQ thread
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[14:21] <TwinReverb> sahko, so patrick is wrong and LQ is right?
[14:21] <veritos> Is there a somewhat efficient way to find what packages have changed between the disc release and today?
[14:22] <Lord_Khelben> sahko: in my case (and pprkuts) the crashes are gone
[14:22] <sahko> TwinReverb: if you have no idea what im talking about please dont comment.
[14:22] <walmartshopper> I've had one crash so far with the older pixman on 32bit.  I do have compositing turned on though.
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[14:22] <Lord_Khelben> walmartshopper: can you tell us what did you run ?
[14:22] <slava_dp> veritos: diff the changelogs
[14:22] <Lord_Khelben> i have compositing on so i can test it
[14:23] <TwinReverb> sahko, i do, i experienced the same problms
[14:23] <slava_dp> or packagelists
[14:23] <veritos> slava_dp, okay i'm an idiot. that should be what i want
[14:23] <TwinReverb> veritos, find /home/slackware-current > /tmp/MANIFEST1.TXT; find /mnt/cdrom > /tmp/MANIFEST2.TXT; diff /tmp/MANIFEST1.TXT /tmp/MANIFEST2.TXT
[14:23] <walmartshopper> this time it crashed while VirtualBox 3.0.2 was booting up a copy of XP
[14:23] <Urchlay> zaltekk: hm, that article about Ireland is interesting... though I don't know enough about Ireland to have an intelligent opinion of my own
[14:23] <TwinReverb> sahko, patrick said it was pixman in the changelog and that's good enough for me
[14:23] <TwinReverb> and i've read the LQ log also
[14:24] <sahko> TwinReverb: Lord_Khelben : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=3612689#post3612689
[14:24] <walmartshopper> before, it was happening if I used Ctrl C to copy a file while another file copy was already in progress
[14:24] <zaltekk> Urchlay: neither do i.  they just both seemed out there to me.
[14:24] <ccfreak2k> Urchlay, isn't the point of an opinion that it doesn't have to be intelligent?
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[14:24] <Urchlay> ccfreak2k: that's an interesting question, too...
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[14:25] <TwinReverb> sahko, yes, therefore it's pixman because we're not using pre-release (git1 etc)
[14:26] <walmartshopper> I haven't recompiled the nvidia driver or vbox since I downgraded pixman, so maybe I'll try that first... any ideas on whether that would make any difference?
[14:26] <Urchlay> hmm. "LinuxIC is a collection of kernel drivers that enable Linux to recognize that it is running on Microsoft's Hyper-V and optimize accordingly"  <--- so, only useful in conjunction with proprietary MS code?
[14:26] <TwinReverb> but feel free to email patrick and correct him
[14:27] <fire|bird> walmartshopper: I didn't have to recompile nvidia after the pixman downgrade, but it's worth a try. :)
[14:27] <hiptobecubic^> What do you working folks write your resumes with? OOo? Html?
[14:27] <Urchlay> I think the article is making a much bigger thing of it than it really is, in that case
[14:27] <fire|bird> Hey hiptobecubic^, how's it going?
[14:27] <fire|bird> Hey Urchlay
[14:28] <hiptobecubic^> fire|bird, hi
[14:28] <Urchlay> hola, fire|bird frame|buffer fruit|bat etc :)
[14:29] <fire|bird> haha, fruit|bat. :P
[14:29] <fire|bird> I suppose fruit|fly would also work.
[14:30] <fire|bird> or, fire|fly
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[14:32] <Urchlay> fire|fly would be kinda cool (I liked the TV show a lot anyway)
[14:33] <fire|bird> fire|fly isn't registered. :P
[14:34] Nick change: superGear -> fire|fly
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[14:34] <fire|bird> haha
[14:34] <fire|bird> why not super|fly?
[14:34] Nick change: fire|fly -> SuperGear
[14:35] Action: SuperGear is evil
[14:35] <Lord_Khelben> fire is more exciting than super :P
[14:35] <fire|bird> Lord_Khelben: true
[14:35] <fire|bird> SuperGear: we know. Ah, a capital "S" now, fancy. :P
[14:35] Action: SuperGear drops it
[14:36] <SuperGear> ok i ungrouped it
[14:36] <SuperGear> :P
[14:36] <fire|bird> haha
[14:36] <fire|bird> s/SuperGear/EvilGear/ :P
[14:37] Nick change: SuperGear -> superGear
[14:37] <superGear> i should use a different nick
[14:37] <superGear> cause of Superbaloo
[14:37] Nick change: superGear -> Hakudoshi
[14:37] Nick change: fire|bird -> EvilGear
[14:37] <EvilGear> :D
[14:38] <Hakudoshi> you're not evil tho
[14:38] <Hakudoshi> you're a nice kid
[14:38] <EvilGear> What am I then?
[14:38] <Urchlay> ChaoticNeutralGear?
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[14:38] Nick change: EvilGear -> Chaos|Ensues
[14:38] <Hakudoshi> Urgay
[14:38] <Hakudoshi> err
[14:38] <Hakudoshi> Urchlay hi
[14:39] <Chaos|Ensues> lol
[14:39] <Chaos|Ensues> that was just a typo, I assume?
[14:39] <Hakudoshi> yes, i'll go with that
[14:39] Nick change: Chaos|Ensues -> frame|buffer
[14:39] <Lord_Khelben> nah more chaoticgood
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[14:39] <Urchlay> hakudouchi?
[14:40] <Urchlay> sorry, typo
[14:40] <frame|buffer> Lord_Khelben: haha
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[14:40] <Hakudoshi> Urgay wouldn't be a bad nick
[14:40] <Hakudoshi> you'd be saying other people are gay
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[14:41] Nick change: frame|buffer -> |phoenix|
[14:42] <|phoenix|> Hmm, I didn't think to use pipes around phoenix, that isn't registered, but phoenix is.
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[14:42] Nick change: Lord_Khelben -> Irenicus
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[14:42] <Irenicus> let me change too :P
[14:43] <|phoenix|> Irenicus: Sure, join in the fun. :)
[14:43] <|phoenix|> We must be really bored eh? :P
[14:43] <Urchlay> ugh, starting your nick with a character that requires the shift key is rude
[14:43] <zaltekk> Urchlay: agreed
[14:43] Nick change: |phoenix| -> frame|buffer
[14:43] <Irenicus> Now i am the evil sorcerer/arch villain in Baldur's Gate II game
[14:43] <frame|buffer> Urchlay: good point, didn't think of that.
[14:44] <Irenicus> isn't the same ?
[14:44] <frame|buffer> same what?
[14:44] <Irenicus> if i type ur then press tab kvirc completes Urchlay
[14:44] <Irenicus> i don't need to type Ur for it to work
[14:45] <frame|buffer> yeah, it isn't case sensitive for tab completion.
[14:45] <Hakudoshi> just type u and tab
[14:45] <Urchlay> right, but to get it to complete |phoenix| you'd have to type a | to start with, wouldn't you? (you would, in irssi, I don't know about kvirc)
[14:45] <Hakudoshi> works fine with xchat
[14:45] <Irenicus> ah yes i need to type |
[14:45] <Hakudoshi> kvirc kind of sucks
[14:45] <Irenicus> i thought you were referring to me
[14:45] <Urchlay> naw
[14:45] <frame|buffer> Hakudoshi: what client do you use?
[14:45] <Irenicus> Hakudoshi: i found it the best i tried
[14:45] <Hakudoshi> xchat
[14:46] <frame|buffer> xchat isn't bad.
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[14:46] <Hakudoshi> also kind of like konversation
[14:46] <Urchlay> xchat is OK, I just prefer a console client so I can use screen
[14:46] <frame|buffer> yeah, konversation is quite nice, blends in with kde4 really well.
[14:46] <Urchlay> (irssi seems to be the best of the console IRC clients I've tried)
[14:47] <echelon> Urchlay: i think so too
[14:47] <Irenicus> i tried konversation at some point but kvirc had many more features
[14:47] Nick change: Irenicus -> Lord_Khelben
[14:47] <frame|buffer> I've never tried kvirc
[14:47] <zaltekk> the only thing i don't really like about irssi is that i miss alerts when people say my name and i have hte terminal minimized
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[14:48] <echelon> zaltekk: /hilight
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[14:48] <echelon> i'm sure you can script it to play audio
[14:49] <zaltekk> echelon: it highlights the channels number
[14:49] <Hakudoshi> frame|buffer loves mIRC
[14:49] <zaltekk> scripting audio would be nice
[14:49] <zaltekk> I'm using xchat as we speak
[14:50] <echelon> what more do you need?
[14:50] <spook> nothing beats irssi.
[14:50] <Urchlay> zaltekk: ah, to me, that's a feature. I don't like my concentration interrupted (hence my non-use of instant message clients)
[14:50] <spook> end of discussion
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[14:50] <Urchlay> am not a computer, I don't operate on an interrupt basis
[14:50] <cadmium> hi Urchlay
[14:50] <frame|buffer> Hakudoshi: That's not cool. You swore you wouldn't say anything. :(
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[14:51] Action: NthDegree plays with Urchlay's port 0x80 :P
[14:51] <echelon> computer synthesized voice?
[14:51] <zaltekk> Urchlay: i don't always jump to IRC to respond, but i like the XChat icon in my system tray flashing so that when i am staring into space i know someone is trying to contact me
[14:51] <frame|buffer> anybody ever heard of/tried Quassel. It's a new, yet very nice irc client.
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[14:51] <NthDegree> frame|buffer, till it eats all your RAM
[14:52] <frame|buffer> NthDegree: what does? Quassel?
[14:52] <NthDegree> after a day or so it uses 250MB or more
[14:52] <NthDegree> yeah Quassel
[14:52] <frame|buffer> I haven't had that problem at all.
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[14:52] <frame|buffer> Using 0.5pre git pull.
[14:52] <spook> i'm sorry, did you guys not hear me?  i said, nothing beats irssi.  END OF DISCUSSION
[14:52] <frame|buffer> and before that 0.4.2
[14:52] <frame|buffer> spook: Oh, I'm sorry, did you say something? :)
[14:53] <zaltekk> spook: i tend to use my old desktop with irssi and use my laptop for everything else
[14:53] <cadmium> why is irrsssi so good?
[14:53] <zaltekk> and just plug in the keyboard and set it on my desk beside my laptop
[14:53] <sahko> cadmium: because its a no nonsense client
[14:54] <spook> screen + irssi,  attach from anywhere.  never have to disconnect
[14:54] <cadmium> ok that sounds nice
[14:54] <zaltekk> spook: explain
[14:54] <cadmium> i'm doing that with bitchx now..
[14:54] <Urchlay> zaltekk: I hate anything flashing or animating
[14:54] <zaltekk> i don't use screen
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[14:54] <cadmium> i have to use screen
[14:54] <spook> zaltekk: no.
[14:54] <zaltekk> spook: =[
[14:54] <Lord_Khelben> is it being able to attach from anywhere so vital ? its irc after all
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[14:54] <cadmium> not for screen
[14:54] <zaltekk> spook: it lets you say...ssh in and use irssi you left open?
[14:55] <spook> yes
[14:55] <cadmium> but i like to interact with other users while in splitscreen with bitchx
[14:55] <zaltekk> awesome, i've been wanting to do that
[14:55] <zaltekk> now that i have ssh on my phone
[14:55] <Urchlay> Lord_Khelben: well I like being able to kill/restart X in the middle of a conversation and still be able to pick it right back up
[14:55] <spook> you can splitscreen in irssi
[14:55] <cadmium> using screen -x users/sessioname
[14:55] <zaltekk> should i just man screen ?
[14:55] <spook> yes
[14:55] <zaltekk> thanks
[14:55] <spook> screen does a lot of things
[14:55] <cadmium> somtimes i get fucked up in screen
[14:55] <spook> screen /dev/ttyS0   for example
[14:55] <cadmium> and i can not re-attatche to non root screens
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[14:56] <Urchlay> I've used screen for dual control (2 users interacting with same screen session), works pretty well
[14:56] <cadmium> Urchlay thats what i use it for
[14:56] <cadmium> for training and for joint work...
[14:56] <Urchlay> tho I do it rarely enough that I always forget how and have to RTFM :)
[14:56] <Lord_Khelben> hm original firebird is now frame|buffer. who is fire|bird ? :P
[14:57] <fire|bird> Lord_Khelben, hahaha
[14:57] <zaltekk> i think i need to install that CLI mp3 player now so i can remote control it from my phone in the other room
[14:57] <fredoslack> hé hé
[14:57] <fire|bird> Lord_Khelben, The world may never know. :D
[14:57] <zaltekk> yay for new toys
[14:57] <Hakudoshi> fire|bird is fire|bird
[14:57] <spook> zaltekk: heh.
[14:57] <cadmium> so i still didn't get why irssi was so much the good one
[14:57] <spook> zaltekk: i use vnc sometimes.
[14:57] <Hakudoshi> frame|buffer is fire|bird
[14:57] <Urchlay> zaltekk: might look into running mpd on the server and write a custom client for the phone
[14:57] <cadmium> i guess i'd have 2 try it........
[14:57] <Urchlay> cadmium: for me, it's the perl integration
[14:57] <zaltekk> Urchlay: yes.  it is java/midp
[14:57] <Hakudoshi> frame|buffer hasn't pinged out yet
[14:58] Action: thrice` uses mpd + a client on his ipod touch to control it
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[14:58] <fire|bird> Hakudoshi, indeed. :D
[14:58] <cadmium> Urchlay now that sounds interesting but i'd rather code in something else...
[14:58] <spook> thrice`: whats the name of the client
[14:58] <Lord_Khelben> i just use xmms and my mouse to control it :P
[14:58] <Hakudoshi> audiacious is what i use
[14:58] <Urchlay> cadmium: I'm a bit of a perl junkie, it's what I reach for when others might reach for php or python
[14:58] <cadmium> i turn my mouse off when i'm in console...
[14:58] <zaltekk> Lord_Khelben: it just sucks when you have to go into another room to do it
[14:59] <cadmium> Urchlay i want to reach for C
[14:59] <Hakudoshi> make a playlist
[14:59] <zaltekk> Hakudoshi: pause, skip track, volume, etc...
[14:59] <cadmium> for personall reasons.. :)
[14:59] <thrice`> spook: MPoD, but I think there are a couple
[14:59] <Hakudoshi> stop being lazy!
[14:59] <Urchlay> cadmium: oh I love C too, but not for scripting an IRC client
[14:59] <cadmium> right but i detest php
[15:00] <Hakudoshi> tcl
[15:00] <cadmium> and if i do something i want to enjoy like a bot.. i would rather use c
[15:00] <zaltekk> Hakudoshi: i'm not being lazy.  i'm actually about to spend a couple of hours setting up things on my computer to be remote controlled from my phone
[15:00] Action: aceofspades19 shudders at the thought of php
[15:00] <Urchlay> yeah, I hate PHP, but I've had to use it before and it didn't actually kill me
[15:00] <zaltekk> just to impress myself and probably never really use it
[15:00] <konus> anybody here who use clear fluxbox ?
[15:00] <cadmium> i use php only when i have to do work...
[15:00] <konus> no gnome or kde dep
[15:00] <aceofspades19> Urchlay: it didn't kill you?
[15:00] <Urchlay> no, I'm actually not dead, believe it or not
[15:00] <Hakudoshi> konus, no GTK or qt?
[15:00] <cadmium> i'v already shat php out my large intestine...
[15:00] <konus> gtk only
[15:01] <aceofspades19> Urchlay: I thought that you had to be undead in order to write php
[15:01] <aceofspades19> :p
[15:01] <Urchlay> I think it hit me for 10 hit points, and temporarily lowered my intelligence stat by 3 points, but I've recovered
[15:01] <zaltekk> i remember four years ago when i thought i wanted to learn php
[15:01] <zaltekk> that changed quickly
[15:01] <konus> i have problem with gtkfilechooser and its position
[15:01] <Hakudoshi> thankfully i use kde4
[15:02] <fire|bird> Hakudoshi, ++, same here.
[15:02] <fire|bird> I switch to flux now and then, but I really like kde4.
[15:02] <Hakudoshi> Dolphin pretty nice
[15:02] <Hakudoshi> i switch between xfce and kde 4
[15:02] <cadmium> my php coding method is to get a stack of moives, potato chips, chewing tobaco and other things and then work from my room...
[15:02] <Hakudoshi> i dislike gnome tho
[15:03] <cadmium> i only use kde when i feel frail or afraid...
[15:03] <Hakudoshi> flux is toooooo basic for me
[15:03] <konus> Hakudoshi why? :P
[15:03] <cadmium> no its not Hakudoshi...
[15:03] <Hakudoshi> flux would be good if say i was on a slow PC
[15:03] <fire|bird> Hakudoshi, yeah, I do not like gnome at all either, I've tried it, just don't like it.
[15:04] <fire|bird> wow, I didn't know xchat had so many scripts and plugins.
[15:04] <cadmium> i just go to flux cause if i want i can start kde..
[15:04] <Hakudoshi> cadmium, you can read where it says "for me" right?
[15:04] <konus> :>
[15:04] <Urchlay> fire|bird: IIRC, xchat uses perl for scripting too
[15:04] <zaltekk> Hakudoshi: i can get by with just the tabbed window manager...but i agree that i want all the extras of a DE to get a feel that things are "right"
[15:04] <cadmium> Hakudoshi.. well yes but you never know :)
[15:04] <fire|bird> Urchlay, nice
[15:05] <fire|bird> Ugh, I turned on coloring in xchat, but everyone is red. :/
[15:05] <Hakudoshi> i can get away with the most basic WM if i had to
[15:05] <Urchlay> fire|bird: of course in a way completely incompatible with irssi's perl stuff (would be cool if the same script could be used on either client)
[15:05] <fire|bird> Urchlay, yeah, that would be nice.
[15:05] <zaltekk> the one thing that annoys me about xchat is that it doesn't show mode characters without you editing the text scripts
[15:05] <Hakudoshi> distro[Slackware 13.0.0.0.0]
[15:05] <konus> :P
[15:06] Action: Hakudoshi is using X-Sys v2.2.0 (http://dev.gentoo.org/~chainsaw/xsys)
[15:06] <Hakudoshi> oops
[15:06] <Urchlay> fire|bird: you see us all in red? you've discovered our secret: we're all a bunch of communists, native americans, and/or santa claus impersonators
[15:06] <fredoslack> lol
[15:06] <Hakudoshi> I resent that Native Americans remark >:|
[15:06] <fire|bird> Urchlay, haha, yeah, pretty much everyone is red, except zaltekk, he's purple.
[15:06] <Hakudoshi> j/k
[15:06] <zaltekk> =[
[15:07] <fire|bird> zaltekk, have anything you want to say? :P
[15:07] <cadmium> thats good to be purple :)
[15:07] <zaltekk> fire|bird: you mean the feature that makes nicks different colors?
[15:07] <cadmium> especially better than a nazi...
[15:07] <Hakudoshi> everyone is a different color for me
[15:07] <zaltekk> i find that distracting...i like only my nick to be a different color
[15:07] <Urchlay> Hakudoshi: actually I dunno what the "correct" term is (there are "Native Canadians"...)
[15:07] <fire|bird> Hakudoshi, not for me, all red. :(
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[15:07] <Hakudoshi> restart xchat
[15:08] <fire|bird> k, brb
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[15:08] <cadmium> zaltekk maybe your ego-centric and it pleases you to have your own color that is distinct from yourself...
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[15:08] <zaltekk> cadmium: actually it almost fades into the background
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[15:09] <Hakudoshi> i use a black background
[15:09] <zaltekk> so that i tend to overlook the things i type unconsciously by just not noticing a nick
[15:09] <fire|bird> ok, restarted.
[15:09] <fredoslack> me too, it seems that it is less painful
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[15:09] <Hakudoshi> are we a different color?!
[15:09] <Urchlay> hey, what color am I?
[15:09] <Hakudoshi> white
[15:09] <fire|bird> ARGH, no. all red except zaltekk
[15:09] <Hakudoshi> odd
[15:10] <zaltekk> plus, unless i am bored i tend to ignore everything that isn't highlighted
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[15:10] <Urchlay> záltëkk: does this get highlighted? :)
[15:10] <zaltekk> of course not
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[15:11] <zaltekk> why would i go to the trouble of making  that work
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[15:11] <Urchlay> so, we have a way to call you names without you noticing :)
[15:11] <zaltekk> =[
[15:11] <fire|bird> Ugh, now even zaltekk is red.
[15:11] <zaltekk> lol
[15:11] <fire|bird> nope, now your purple again
[15:12] <Hakudoshi> Purple rain
[15:12] <Urchlay> that sounds kinda broken
[15:12] <Urchlay> Hakudoshi: good song
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[15:13] <fire|bird> superGear, http://omploader.org/vMjBheA <---This is what it looks like for me.
[15:14] <aceofspades19> choclate rain
[15:14] <aceofspades19> chocolate rain*
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[15:14] <superGear> brown rain
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[15:14] <superGear> that sounds sick
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[15:15] <Urchlay> fire|bird: hm, that really looks broken. I thought the point was to assign a unique color to each nick, but that screenshot shows zaltekk in both purple and red (and me too)
[15:15] <fire|bird> Urchlay: yeah, something is not right.
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[15:15] <BP{k}> fire|bird: argh! the brightness! ;)
[15:15] <fire|bird> maybe I'll try again after wiping out ~/.Xchat2
[15:15] <fire|bird> Heya BP{k}, how goes?
[15:16] <BP{k}> fire|bird: not bad .. waiting for kethry to serve dinner :)
[15:16] <Urchlay> I've thought about trying to do something like that on the Atari 800 client, maybe use the hash code of the nick to pick the background color
[15:16] <fire|bird> BP{k}: http://omploader.org/vMjA1dQ <---My Desktop.
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[15:16] <superGear> fire|bird, Here is mine http://omploader.org/vMjBiMA
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[15:17] <fire|bird> superGear: that looks nice.
[15:17] <superGear> 1:18 am?
[15:17] <superGear> or pm
[15:17] <Urchlay> superGear: your nick-coloring looks like it actually works right
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[15:18] <fire|bird> it's 14:17 here.
[15:18] <superGear> CDST...
[15:18] <BP{k}> fire|bird: not bad :)
[15:18] <Urchlay> (I suppose fire|bird is showing up in purple the first time because purple is the highlight color?)
[15:18] <superGear> I'm MDST
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[15:19] <fredoslack> 9:19 Pm at home  :)
[15:19] <fire|bird> Well, I'll brb, I'll try wiping ~/.Xchat2, although this was a new ~/.Xchat 2 anyway.
[15:20] <fredoslack> retake it on TV the first step on the moon
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[15:20] <fredoslack> tonight  :)
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[15:21] <superGear> Frenchie!
[15:21] <superGear> j/k
[15:21] <frame|buffer> I'm still here as frame|buffer. :D
[15:21] <superGear> kill frame|buffer
[15:21] <fredoslack> lol
[15:21] <superGear> too bad i'm not an IRCOp :(
[15:21] <frame|buffer> NO
[15:21] <Lord_Khelben> http://omploader.org/vMjBiMg
[15:22] <thrice`> kde4 is so ugly :>
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[15:22] <frame|buffer> thrice`: :O, how can you say such a thing. Did you see my ss of it?
[15:22] <superGear> Lord_Khelben, ewwwww kvirc
[15:22] <Lord_Khelben> :) yes kvirc-svn
[15:23] <superGear> fire|bird, KDE4 - http://omploader.org/vMjBiMA
[15:23] <superGear> errr
[15:23] <superGear> oops
[15:23] <frame|buffer> lol
[15:23] <fredoslack> i do not thrice`  :(
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[15:23] <sdfhf> anyone tell me if there is a xen package for slack ?
[15:23] <thrice`> frame|buffer: ok, that's not too bad :)  looks like kde 4.3
[15:24] <Urchlay> heh. As long as we're all doing it: http://omploader.org/vMjBiNA
[15:24] <frame|buffer> thrice`: that's 4.2.4 with kde-look's glassified theme.
[15:25] <thrice`> http://omploader.org/vMXowMA  is mine :)
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[15:25] <fire|bird> alas, the bird is back. :D
[15:25] <Lord_Khelben> nice desktop thrice`
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[15:25] <Lord_Khelben> xfce is nice
[15:26] <fire|bird> thrice`, what wallpaper is that?
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[15:26] <Lord_Khelben> i always move xfce->kde4->xfce->so_on. i am never satisfied :P
[15:26] <thrice`> my secret!
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[15:27] <Necos> Urchlay: lol why bother with X, right? lol
[15:28] <Urchlay> Necos: oh, that's an X window, I just didn't think anyone was interested in my plain-looking windowmaker desktop
[15:28] <cadmium> somtimes x is nice for oversized vim terminal for colorized php coding and mouse wheel scrolling in vim..
[15:29] <Urchlay> don't use wallpaper because I'm running apps fullscreen, so can't see the wallpaper most of the time anyway
[15:29] <Necos> cadmium: i think you need to leave that PHP sillyness at home >.>
[15:29] <fire|bird> superGear, what font/font size, are you using in your xchat ss?
[15:29] <Necos> Urchlay: same here
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[15:29] <Lord_Khelben> windowmaker ruled. too bad its not developed any more :(
[15:29] <superGear> Here's my desktop http://omploader.org/vMjBiNg
[15:29] Action: fredoslack is watching
[15:29] <superGear> fire|bird, Verdana 12
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[15:30] <Necos> i never even see my conky display
[15:30] <fire|bird> superGear, ok, thanks.
[15:30] Action: superGear imported his windows font
[15:30] <Urchlay> Lord_Khelben: it is, though. Or anyway, was as of 7 months ago according to their site
[15:30] <Necos> i like the weather docklet thingy
[15:30] <cadmium> necos no really its a really nice setup for coding with dual monitors...
[15:31] <Lord_Khelben> Urchlay: yes. i saw that. i think though that the changes were minimal
[15:31] <Urchlay> well, that might be because it was almost perfect to begin with :)
[15:32] <Lord_Khelben> i still have my gnustep dir and dockapps but i never use it anymore :(
[15:32] <fire|bird> superGear, and is all you did to get colored nicks is enabled Colored Nick Names.
[15:32] <superGear> fire|bird, yes
[15:32] <Urchlay> actually there's one apparent bug in wmaker that annoys the crap out of me: sometimes for no discernible reason, when I switch virtual desktops, none of the windows on the new desktop get the focus... when this happens, I can't use alt-tab (I *must* use the mouse to click a window, before the keyboard will work)
[15:32] <superGear> i changed colors too
[15:32] <fire|bird> :O, I think it's working now.
[15:33] <superGear> cause of the black bg thing
[15:33] <fire|bird> c'mon people start talking.
[15:33] <superGear> everyone shhhhhh
[15:33] <fire|bird> haha
[15:33] <Lord_Khelben> yes it happened to me many times. not when channging desktops, but i remember that problem
[15:33] <Urchlay> blah blah, blablahblablah, blahdeblabbity blah. Bleh?
[15:33] <fire|bird> \o/
[15:33] <fire|bird> superGear, which color do I have to change so that what I type isn't a really light gray?
[15:34] <eviljames> wmaker used to be my favorite, then I got a computer powerful enough to run kde.
[15:34] <Urchlay> or shall I speak in the voice of charlie brown's teacher? waa waaa wa, waa wa wa?
[15:34] <fire|bird> eviljames, kde4 FTW!!!!! :)
[15:34] <Urchlay> eviljames: what I like about wmaker is that it stays out of the way. Whatever else you can say about KDE, it doesn't do that
[15:34] <Lord_Khelben> hal aware wmaker and with support for freedesktop menus would rock
[15:35] <eviljames> Lord_Khelben: well, get patching :D
[15:35] <eviljames> Urchlay: I find that kde gets the hell out of my way.  a couple of quick tweaks to the bar along the bottom and then I don't worry about it agian.
[15:35] <Urchlay> freedesktop menu support ought to be doable without actually changing the wmaker source (doesn't it already have the ability for menus to be generated by an external program?)
[15:36] <Lord_Khelben> what i don't like about kde is that it has 100 dependencies
[15:36] <Lord_Khelben> which aren't that much needed
[15:36] <Urchlay> or am I confusing wmaker and fvwm2 again?
[15:36] <fire|bird> Lord_Khelben, and for 4.3, it needs policykit
[15:36] <Lord_Khelben> xfce provides pretty much the same functionality without all these dependencies
[15:36] <Lord_Khelben> akonadi,nepomuk,strigi and a lot more
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[15:39] <fire|bird> Urchlay, Xchat can use perl and python.
[15:39] <bluebaron> Anyone know how to clear the man cache?
[15:39] <eviljames> Lord_Khelben: I think that a lot of those dependencies are going to be building a platform for the next generation of DEs.
[15:39] <Urchlay> fire|bird: cool. So start coding :)
[15:40] <fredoslack> and Xchat with Windows
[15:40] <fredoslack> has smileys  :}
[15:40] <eviljames> instant image search/recognition for example.  Tag a friend in one of your pics in digiKam and it finds them in your collection and tags them throughout.. then indexes and makes it searchable - putting your data at your fingertips
[15:40] <Lord_Khelben> eviljames: i just think they make things overcomplicated with all these implementations
[15:40] <Urchlay> kde seems like overkill to me because it does a lot of things I don't want/need: icons on the desktop, a start menu, a task bar...
[15:40] <fredoslack> 3 adorables smileys
[15:41] <eviljames> Urchlay: uhm, you don't need to have any of those things.
[15:41] <fredoslack> three adorable smileys *
[15:41] <fredoslack> lool
[15:41] <Lord_Khelben> yes search/tags nepomuk/schemantic desktop and stuff gets much praise
[15:41] <Lord_Khelben> fire|bird: policykit :((
[15:41] <fire|bird> Urchlay, I would of I knew how.
[15:42] <eviljames> Lord_Khelben: I don't actually use any of that crap, but it seems to be the direction they're going - I just prefer the 'feel' of kde.
[15:42] <Necos> why bother with a DE when you have evrything keybound? :P
[15:43] <Urchlay> eviljames: yeah, but the default KDE setup has them, and the default wmaker setup mostly doesn't (it has app icons and the dock, I actually like the dock though)
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[15:43] <Lord_Khelben> eviljames: neither do i. i too like kde but i would like it better if these were optional or something
[15:43] <Lord_Khelben> the good thing about slack not having automatic dependency resolution is i don't install these kind of packages that i don't use
[15:43] <Urchlay> if I want to do something like read a PDF file, it's an *awful* lot quicker for me to type "xpdf path/to/file.pdf" with tab completion, than it would be to navigate to the file in something like konqueror and click on it
[15:44] <eviljames> So... what's the complaint then?
[15:44] <superGear> u r evil
[15:44] <superGear> and named james
[15:44] <eviljames> Urchlay: Well, as good as that is for you or I, my gf (and, you know, the majority of computer users) prefer a point & click interface.
[15:45] <fire|bird> superGear, so does that mean that you're super, and named Gear? :)
[15:45] <eviljames> Urchlay: Huge bonus points if it's a pretty and intuitive point & click interface.
[15:45] <Camarade_Tux> man, that bus sucks, it's barely twice as fast as me, and walking pretty slowly
[15:45] <superGear> i have a super gear or smthin
[15:45] <Lord_Khelben> fire|bird: so after kde 4.3 is release we will be forced to have policykit installed ? :((
[15:46] <fire|bird> Lord_Khelben, looks that way, yeah.
[15:46] <Camarade_Tux> and if I take the waiting time into acount, the bus is less than 50% than me, by foot
[15:46] <Lord_Khelben> i never liked *kit policykit,devicekit etc
[15:46] <fire|bird> I am not sure if there's a way around that. I'm sure the excellent slackware team will look into that.
[15:46] <Urchlay> point & click interfaces are not intuitive to me at all... I'd give someone else KDE to use, sure, but the times I've done that I get constant "how do I do this?" type questions, to which I have no answers other than "it's an intuitive point & click interface, you can figure it out"
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[15:47] <Lord_Khelben> until you are familiar with them, gui interfaces can be slower than terminal
[15:47] <Urchlay> Lord_Khelben: even if I'm familiar with them, they're slower
[15:47] <Lord_Khelben> especially with zsh i can do my work way faster than pointing and clicking
[15:47] <eviljames> Due to you being much more familiar than the terminal.
[15:47] <fredoslack> a touchscreen, perhaps?
[15:47] <Necos> well, if you're using something that supports keybound commands like openbox, you just hit ctrl-alt-p and open acrobat reader :P
[15:48] <fredoslack> with the opportunity to tap on the screen
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[15:48] <fire|bird> fredoslack, you buy me one, I'll test it and get back to you. :)
[15:48] <Lord_Khelben> fredoslack: hp has some laptop-like (actually more imac-like) with touchscreen
[15:48] <Urchlay> I mean I can get things done with a GUI well enough, but I don't ever remember exact details (e.g. on windows XP, to change the machine's IP address.. if I sat down in front of the machine I'd have it done in a minute or less, but I can't tell you right now exactly where to click or how to do it)
[15:49] <eviljames> I think we're discussing 2 different things here.  You guys all already know what's best for you (the CLI) - but that isn't necessarily true of the generic computer user.
[15:49] <sahko> Urchlay: which WM/DE are you using?
[15:49] <Urchlay> my brain just doesn't remember visual stuff as well as words and numbers
[15:49] <Urchlay> sahko: windowmaker
[15:49] <Lord_Khelben> eviljames: yes ofcourse. every user is different
[15:49] <fredoslack> yes :)
[15:50] <Lord_Khelben> gui is nice and very useful. all of us are using X :P but there are times that cli is faster
[15:50] <cadmium> visual interactions with a mouse and gui are for monkeys...
[15:50] <Lord_Khelben> for example i find mkisofs -R -J -o file.iso directory
[15:50] <Urchlay> eviljames: but we were in here talking about which WM/DE/whatever *we* use, not generic computer users...?
[15:50] <cadmium> xerox claimed the original gui was actually designed for monkey research
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[15:50] <Lord_Khelben> a lot faster than running k3b and navigating to the files and add them and stuff
[15:51] <Urchlay> cadmium: haha, that's great (even if it isn't true, it should be!)
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[15:51] <eviljames> Urchlay: "objection your hounour!" "On what grounds?" "That it's devastating to my case!"
[15:51] <eviljames> s/hounour/honour/
[15:51] <Urchlay> eviljames :)
[15:51] <fredoslack> lool
[15:52] <cadmium> monkeys have the ability to repeat visual and physical sequences more easilly so the gui was adapted
[15:52] <Urchlay> honestly, I wish there were a Linux WM that mimicked the look and feel of windows 3.1 exactly. I'd give it to my parents, and they'd love it (they never really adjusted too well to the win95-and-up UI)
[15:53] <cadmium> Urchlay a computer for old people .. thats touching man :P
[15:56] Action: Camarade_Tux knows a company which does that
[15:56] <Camarade_Tux> well, not  win 3.1 interface but computers for old people
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[15:57] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: Let me guess, their mouse only has one button, right?
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[15:58] <Lord_Khelben> hahaha
[15:58] <fire|bird> lol
[15:58] <eviljames> "I'd like to have a computer that looks pretty but doesn't do anything useful"
[15:58] <eviljames> Sounds like Apple territory to me.
[15:58] <Lord_Khelben> windows 3.1 = pretty ?
[15:58] <eviljames> Windows 3.1 = apple?
[15:58] <Lord_Khelben> it was uglyyyyy
[15:59] <superGear> OS 7/8/9 was pretty?
[15:59] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: he, I said they were making computers for old people, I never said they were making computers for simple-minded ones :D
[16:00] <Urchlay> win 3.1 has one feature I wish were an option in modern environments: the need to double-click the close button
[16:00] <superGear> just give them a MSN TV thingie
[16:01] <Camarade_Tux> a few hours ago sombedy asked if webkit was working ok with facebook, I didn't reply but wondered what would safari do if it didn't work with facebook :D
[16:01] <cadmium> my step-father was a poloc and he seemed to enjoy that tv based internet product they had.... i can't remember the name..
[16:01] <eviljames> I thought safari only let you browse myspace and yahoo! ?
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[16:01] <superGear> cadmium, MSNTV/WEBTV
[16:01] <cadmium> superGear yeah.. WEBTV..
[16:01] <Camarade_Tux> actually, if you want to apple to go bankrupt, make facebook and youtube incompatible with safari :D
[16:01] <superGear> Safari is bleh
[16:02] <superGear> I don't see why people love Chrome
[16:02] <Camarade_Tux> well, it has what is maybe the best rendering engine available
[16:02] <eviljames> I don't see why people get boners over browsers at all.
[16:02] <Camarade_Tux> superGear: do you see why people love apple products?
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[16:03] <superGear> Camarade_Tux, no
[16:03] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: except my browser of course -_-
[16:03] <superGear> I think they are ugly
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[16:03] <Urchlay> eviljames: I agree, except when they're using the brower to look at pr0n sites :)
[16:03] <sahko> damn, this seems nice http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/ but doesnt work on linux, at least without silverlight
[16:03] <superGear> moonlight?
[16:03] <Camarade_Tux> superGear: not too hard, people are dumb
[16:04] <fire|bird> Urchlay, xchat also can use tcl
[16:04] <superGear> of course http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/ is only going to work with Silverlight
[16:04] <superGear> it's an Microsoft page
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[16:04] <Urchlay> fire|bird: yuck. I never really liked tcl much...
[16:04] <superGear> xchat can use perl, python and tcl
[16:05] <eviljames> I'm going to install silverlight, if it lets me watch the Feynman lectures.
[16:05] <fire|bird> superGear, I'm downloading ALL the plugins/scripts for Xchat. :D
[16:05] <superGear> fire|bird, um, why?
[16:05] <Camarade_Tux> huh? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWAIN#Supported_Technologies
[16:05] <fire|bird> superGear, because I can? :)
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[16:05] <fire|bird> All 246 of em.
[16:05] <fire|bird> greetings macavity
[16:05] <cadmium> yeah i installed silverlight for the Feynman lectures 2 .. someone mentioned them in #physics the other day
[16:06] <superGear> are you high?
[16:06] <fire|bird> superGear, no
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[16:06] <superGear> i bet 75% of them won't work on current xchat
[16:06] <Camarade_Tux> fire|buffer: weren't you using irssi?
[16:06] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux, I've been using many different ones.
[16:07] <cadmium> superGear man i thought you were talking to me ...
[16:07] <fire|bird> superGear, probably, but oh well.
[16:07] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: and you've had many different identities
[16:07] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux, yes
[16:07] <macavity> fire|bird: wish me luck.. the latest batch of updates promisses to unbreak my box :P
[16:07] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird is a secret agent <james bon music>
[16:07] <superGear> multiple personality disorder
[16:07] <Camarade_Tux> bond*
[16:07] <fire|bird> macavity, \o/, good luck.
[16:07] <eviljames> cadmium: Is that because you _are_ high?
[16:07] Action: macavity is ripping ftp.slackware.no for some 850KB/s
[16:08] <fire|bird> superGear, no, just change alot. :)
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[16:08] <Camarade_Tux> macavity: you hadn't downloaded them yet? :D
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[16:08] <The-Croupier> greets the channel
[16:08] <Camarade_Tux> hi The-Croupier
[16:08] <superGear> somethin in n current broke my wicd
[16:08] Action: fire|bird waves to The-Croupier 
[16:08] <The-Croupier> hey guys
[16:08] <superGear> so i had to downgrade much of n back to 12.2
[16:09] <Urchlay> heh, there used to be this hippie/stoner chick in my high school, I used to call her "Your Highness"
[16:09] <macavity> ok.. here goes nothing...
[16:09] <fire|bird> macavity, or, everything. ;)
[16:09] <Camarade_Tux> ='( no update available ='(
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[16:09] <superGear> so i'm using a hybrid of current/12.2
[16:10] <fire|bird> superGear, any good plugins/scripts you use/suggest?
[16:10] <superGear> mainly everything from current except n
[16:10] <Urchlay> superGear: yuck
[16:10] <Urchlay> superGear: wait, what was wrong with n in -current?
[16:10] <Camarade_Tux> superGear: you should be whipped for that
[16:10] <superGear> till i figure out which package breaks my wicd
[16:10] <Urchlay> oh, wicd
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[16:11] <superGear> probably dhcpcd
[16:11] <superGear> but i dunno
[16:11] <Urchlay> you could set up your network the regular way..?
[16:11] <superGear> wicd works but won't obtain an IP address
[16:11] <superGear> wireless net
[16:12] <superGear> not have a network
[16:12] <Pig_Pen> i think Slackware -current & newer would benefit if the /l dir was split three ways, one for basic libraries, one for kde/qt specific libraries and one for gtk/gui libraries
[16:12] <superGear> that i can configure properly
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[16:13] <Shrp_> are you stealing neighbours net
[16:13] <Urchlay> "stealing" is such an ugly word :)
[16:13] <Shrp_> "borrowing"
[16:14] <superGear> no
[16:14] <Pig_Pen> eventually superGear's neighbor will figure it out and lock down their wifi
[16:14] <superGear> free wireless net where i like
[16:14] Action: superGear isn't stealing/borrowing anybody's net
[16:15] <lander_401> Hi. I loaded the swfdec Slackbuild to be able to watch flash in Firefox, but it doesn't work. Do I need another plugin or something? If so why it isn't in Slackbuilds also?
[16:15] <superGear> i just use adobe's flash
[16:15] <superGear> works just fine
[16:15] <Pig_Pen> same here unpack adobe's flash to ~/.mozilla/plugins
[16:16] <Shrp_> think their is a pkg for adobe on slackbuilds
[16:16] <Shrp_> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/multimedia/flash-player-plugin/
[16:16] <Shrp_> ^
[16:17] <superGear> don't really need a txz of flash
[16:17] <superGear> err tgz
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[16:17] <The-Croupier> ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-current/ this is the one for slackpkg mirrors ..i didnt do anything wrong right...
[16:17] <lander_401> superGear, Pig_Pen : Thanks, but I just prefer to use free software when possible
[16:17] Nick change: GATT0 -> Moon`Walker
[16:17] <Pig_Pen> got a question: if you unpack untrusted binaries as root in to the system would that untrusted binary have root access?
[16:17] <superGear> yes
[16:17] <Necos> holy shit >.> http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/air_space/4324941.html
[16:18] <Pig_Pen> lets see, i only have flash & nvidia's blob
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[16:19] <missyjane> hi im feeling high
[16:19] <superGear> cool
[16:19] <superGear> give us some
[16:19] <fire|bird> lol
[16:19] <Lord_Khelben> why is that missyjane ?
[16:19] <missyjane> hehe
[16:19] <missyjane> im not doing drugs
[16:19] <fire|bird> hello missyjane
[16:19] <missyjane> just finished exercising and im so happy, and im listening to the greatest music ever
[16:19] <superGear> s/he's high on life
[16:19] <missyjane> hi fire|bird
[16:19] <missyjane> EXACTLY, high on life
[16:20] <fire|bird> missyjane, what music?
[16:20] <superGear> every female on IRC is really a man
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[16:20] <fire|bird> I've been listening to and loving Hail the Villain.
[16:20] <fire|bird> superGear, proof?
[16:20] <missyjane> superGear, indeeed, speaking of which, i have a bigger peepee than you
[16:20] <fire|bird> hahaha
[16:20] <Lord_Khelben> hehehe
[16:20] <Shrp_> fire|bird: i just got their cd in the mail the other day
[16:20] <missyjane> fire|bird, dunno, i asked slackware folks earlier how to read meta so i can tell everyone the music lol
[16:20] <Shrp_> love their stuff :)
[16:21] <fire|bird> Shrp_, awesome
[16:21] <superGear> now_playing[ñDî] length[0:21/4:02]
[16:21] <superGear> ?
[16:21] <fire|bird> Shrp_, favorite song off the album?
[16:21] <superGear> that crap missyjane ?
[16:21] <eviljames> Shrp_: I saw them live a few weeks ago with CKY and Fall From Grace
[16:21] <missyjane> huh?
[16:21] <eviljames> Shrp_: Pretty great show!
[16:21] <missyjane> you hacked my computer?!?? HOW?!
[16:21] <fire|bird> eviljames, Shrp_ was at that show too iirc.
[16:21] <Shrp_> yeh i went to the CKY tour also
[16:21] <Shrp_> yep
[16:21] <Shrp_> i had to drive ~170 miles one way
[16:21] <Shrp_> but it was worth it :P
[16:21] <Pig_Pen> they shook that building pretty good, hopefully more building will use that tech
[16:22] <superGear> 170 miles....
[16:22] <superGear> where?
[16:22] <Shrp_> fire|bird: i like the first 5 songs..
[16:22] <Shrp_> East of Sacramento
[16:22] <Shrp_> it was either that or drive 200 miles North to Petaluma
[16:22] <superGear> silly Californians
[16:22] <missyjane> i love music that are sentimental, that makes you feel good and want to dance
[16:22] <Shrp_> or go 400 miles south to West Hollywood
[16:23] <fire|bird> Shrp_, cool, my favorites are Try Hating the World and Evil Has a Name. :)
[16:23] <superGear> Shrp_, you could have visited Conjurer
[16:23] <eviljames> Shrp_: That means you don't like Try Hating The World?!
[16:23] <Shrp_> no that song is fine
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[16:23] <fire|bird> eviljames, He's not a true Hail the Villain fan then. :P
[16:23] <macavity> nope.. this did not fix it
[16:23] <fire|bird> macavity, Success or Failure
[16:23] <superGear> never heard of Hail the Villain
[16:23] <Shrp_> nub
[16:23] <fire|bird> superGear, www.myspace.com/hailthevillain
[16:23] <eviljames> Oshawa, ON's finest band! :D
[16:24] <superGear> is it rap?
[16:24] <fire|bird> rock
[16:24] <eviljames> hard rock
[16:24] <superGear> cause all i listen to is rap
[16:24] <macavity> neither with the 2.7.99.901 driver nor 2.7.1
[16:24] <eviljames> superGear: I used to think you were cool until you said that.
[16:24] <Shrp_> when did that happen
[16:24] <fire|bird> macavity, still really broken then?
[16:24] <superGear> Hardcore Gangsta rap
[16:24] <Pig_Pen> rap? most is yucky!
[16:24] <eviljames> Lamesta rap?
[16:24] <Shrp_> I just wish they played more than 3 songs :(
[16:25] <superGear> now_playing[Go to Church] length[0:05/4:00]
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[16:25] <superGear> there some crap
[16:25] <superGear> err rap
[16:25] <macavity> fire|bird: my glxgears is on acid/flicker/renderes outside of window/tiling errors with the 2.7.1 driver, and the window is just blank with the .99.901 driver
[16:25] <fire|bird> macavity, ouch
[16:25] <eviljames> Shrp_: who?  At the show I went to, FFG & HTV each had 1 hr+ sets, then CKY played until 1am - they ran out of songs and started doing covers..
[16:25] <macavity> fire|bird: with 2.7.1 dmesg says: [drm:i915_get_vblank_counter] *ERROR* trying to get vblank count for disabled pipe 0
[16:25] <Pig_Pen> i like a lot of different genres of music and rap isnt one of them, out of the entire history of rap i might like 5 songs (maybe(
[16:26] <superGear> macavity, which kernel?
[16:26] <macavity> fire|bird: and with .99.901 it spamms thousands of lines: [drm:i915_gem_execbuffer] *ERROR* Object f46b7420 appears more than once in object list
[16:26] <missyjane> i wanna pass you guys the music
[16:26] <Shrp_> eviljames: I got their a bit late so only got to hear ~2 songs from FFG
[16:26] <missyjane> so if you guys want it ill dcc it or something
[16:26] <macavity> superGear: ive tried with both Patrick's kernel and my own .30.1
[16:26] <missyjane> or put it on my website and you guys can download hte flash
[16:26] <Shrp_> then HTV did 3 songs
[16:26] <Shrp_> then CKY took over
[16:26] <superGear> macavity, downgrade to 29
[16:26] <Shrp_> the show was over around 11:30ish.. it started at 6:30
[16:26] <fire|bird> macavity, so in other words, still very borked.
[16:26] <macavity> superGear: as i said, i tried with Patrick's kernel too
[16:27] <missyjane> anyone want the song? :)
[16:27] <superGear> o
[16:27] <DeeeeP> missyjane, what type is it
[16:27] <macavity> fire|bird: FUBAR
[16:27] <superGear> macavity, maybe your vid card is too new?
[16:27] <missyjane> dunno, its japanese i think
[16:27] <eviljames> Shrp_: That's too bad, I became a HTV fan at the show, having never heard them before.  Really great stuff, FFG were cool to party with but I didn't like their music as much.
[16:27] <DeeeeP> thanks ... i pass
[16:27] <superGear> Japanese music??
[16:27] <Camarade_Tux> One Way Mirror - Relax, yeah, Relax from Frankie Goes To Hollywood by a metal band :)
[16:27] <missyjane> oh yesh
[16:27] <macavity> superGear: intel i945.. it worked 100% as advertised before the xserver-1.6.2 upgrade
[16:27] <missyjane> :D
[16:27] <missyjane> its got rave
[16:27] <missyjane> in tokyo scene
[16:27] <Camarade_Tux> oh no, that's what *I* am currently listening to ;)
[16:28] <superGear> now_playing[Shinjitsu No Uta] length[0:05/4:37]
[16:28] <missyjane> Camarade_Tux, how about i pass it to you?
[16:28] <Camarade_Tux> maxote: :P
[16:28] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: I'm checking that out asap :P
[16:28] <Shrp_> eviljames: heh I had only known HTV for a day or so.. and I decided to go check em out live.
[16:28] <missyjane> and you tell me what it is
[16:28] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: hahaha ;-)
[16:28] Action: macavity prepares to do a homeroll of xserver-1.6.1
[16:28] <Shrp_> then came home ordered the cd + a tshirt
[16:28] <DeeeeP> missyjane, then lets trade ... i send you 1 , u sent me taht
[16:28] <missyjane> sure DeeeeP ill msg you
[16:28] <DeeeeP> ok
[16:28] <thrice`> macavity: wuss.
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[16:29] <macavity> thrice`: oh, just ship me your packages if they happen to work :P
[16:29] <Camarade_Tux> missyjane: what kind of music is it?
[16:29] <thrice`> I don't think I held on to them, but can check later
[16:29] <macavity> thrice`: i have grown too used to KDE effects to go back to live in the dark ages ;-)
[16:29] <missyjane> WATCH PEOPLE, DeeeeP is going to start dancing and feeling high like me
[16:29] <missyjane> youll love it Camarade_Tux
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[16:29] <superGear> japanese techno
[16:29] <missyjane> come on baby
[16:29] <thrice`> macavity: you did update pixman as per the latest update?
[16:30] <Pig_Pen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7-E1qTVJgE  superGear here is one of the only rap songs i like
[16:30] <macavity> yessir
[16:30] <missyjane> look
[16:30] <DeeeeP> missyjane, hopefully =)
[16:30] <superGear> Pig_Pen, I don't really like rap
[16:30] <thrice`> macavity: sure? :D
[16:30] <missyjane> DeeeeP is dancing!~ he is shaking his butt and tossing his hair around
[16:30] <missyjane> like hes high on angels dust
[16:30] <macavity> thrice`: it was on the list in slackpkg.. but i will go check that i have /var/log/packages/pixman-0.15.10-i486-2
[16:30] <Pig_Pen> the Offspring has a couple of good songs
[16:30] <superGear> missyjane likes that jpop crap!
[16:30] <missyjane> its not jpop
[16:30] <missyjane> lol
[16:30] <superGear> The Offspring isn't rap
[16:30] <Camarade_Tux> hahaha: http://www.infoworld.com/d/adventures-in-it/careful-what-you-read-big-bezos-watching-857
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[16:31] <Pig_Pen> close enough
[16:31] <macavity> thrice`: unless irssi is trying to stab me in the back, it does look like i have that package :P
[16:31] Action: frame|buffer irssi stabs macavity :)
[16:31] <macavity> thrice`: do you expect that i go check manually instead of relying on tabcompletion?
[16:31] <thrice`> macavity: ok :)
[16:31] <thrice`> no, but it's definitely the first thing I'd double-check
[16:31] <macavity> i dont belive the pixman caused the composite problems
[16:32] <macavity> i belive it caused the tray problems, yes, but no, not severe opengl fsckup
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[16:32] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: That was .. hmm. .. how to put it... TERRIBLE.
[16:33] <fire|bird> macavity, the pixman downgrade fixed the tray issues for me. Thankfully I didn't have the total borkeness that you have.
[16:33] <thrice`> well, building the server is very quick to test
[16:33] <macavity> i should set up that record-my-desktop thingie and upload a video of what glxgears looks like.. i have *never* seen anything like that without hardware lockup
[16:33] <superGear> pixman didn't break anything
[16:33] <eviljames> On xorg-server-1.6.1 with intel-2.7.9.902 I had great performance.
[16:33] <eviljames> now on xorg-server-1.6.2 ... ugh.
[16:33] <macavity> eviljames: i dont have *any* performance ;-)
[16:33] <superGear> downgrade your xserver
[16:34] <macavity> eviljames: did you run KMS on .902?
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[16:34] Action: macavity gets a bright idea
[16:35] <macavity> lets see what happens if xserver-1.6.2 gets compiled and run against a .30 kernel :P
[16:35] <eviljames> macavity: I had been tinkering with 2.6.30.1, but my setup is in as much flux right now as any.
[16:35] <macavity> all the devs are running latest version of everything, so there might bave been a slipup
[16:35] <macavity> eviljames: .30.1 works nicely here.. and worked *very* nicely before 1.6.2
[16:36] <macavity> anyways.. time to get some coffee and a little luuub from the GF :P
[16:36] Action: macavity wanders off
[16:36] <eviljames> Indeed, 1.6.2 seems to be the pain point.
[16:36] <jeev> hi
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[16:37] <thrice`> I don't understand Pat's comment in the changelog; 902 doesn't force KMS
[16:37] <thrice`> how can it?  The kernel has no clue which video card is installed
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[16:40] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: enjoyed the song? :p
[16:41] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: Not in the slightest.
[16:41] Action: Camarade_Tux not sure what that means
[16:41] <eviljames> It means: no.  That wasn't good even in an ironic way.
[16:42] <Camarade_Tux>  :)
[16:43] Action: Camarade_Tux was in the mood for weird things
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[16:44] <fire|bird> superGear, heh, the slap script is interesting. :P
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[16:46] <superGear> slap Camarade_Tux
[16:46] <Camarade_Tux> people are wwwwweeeeeiiiiirrrrrrddddddd! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulophone
[16:46] Action: Camarade_Tux enjoys
[16:47] Action: fire|bird slap Camarade_Tux  with a 10mbit network card.
[16:47] <missyjane> NO SLAPPING ALLOWED AROUND ME
[16:47] Action: fire|bird slap superGear  with a 10mbit network card.
[16:48] <fire|bird> argh, it isn't as random as it should be.
[16:48] <Camarade_Tux> slapping only allowed ON missyjane
[16:48] Action: fire|bird slap missyjane  with a hydraulic pump.
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[16:48] <Camarade_Tux> omgwtfbbq! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Musical_instrument_classification_by_physics-based_organology.png
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[16:48] <missyjane> lol
[16:48] Action: missyjane dies
[16:49] <Camarade_Tux> music with "neural networks or plasma" ><
[16:49] <fire|bird> oh noes. /me calls the paramedics
[16:49] Action: Camarade_Tux has missyjane 
[16:49] Action: spook slaps missyjane 
[16:49] Action: fire|bird slap spook with a hydraulic pump.
[16:49] <Camarade_Tux> or rather does
[16:49] Action: spook turkey-slaps fire|bird 
[16:49] <missyjane> spook
[16:49] <missyjane> DO ME
[16:49] <fire|bird> :O
[16:49] <spook> missyjane: what?
[16:49] <Camarade_Tux> hey, I am already there!
[16:49] <spook> oh right
[16:49] <missyjane> there is two more holes
[16:49] <Camarade_Tux> guess we can share :D
[16:49] <missyjane> go for it
[16:50] <fire|bird> haha
[16:50] Action: missyjane turns on the chopping block
[16:50] <missyjane> dont mind all the blood
[16:50] <spook> sleep time
[16:50] <Necos> later spook :P
[16:50] <dive> evening all
[16:50] <Camarade_Tux> spook: that was quick with missyjane!
[16:50] <Camarade_Tux> yo dive
[16:51] <fire|bird> y0 dive
[16:51] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux, lol
[16:51] Action: Camarade_Tux is done with missyjane 
[16:51] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: see, even faster than me!
[16:51] <spook> Camarade_Tux: thats me, quick
[16:51] <dive> what on earth is going on?
[16:51] <spook> wait...
[16:52] <fire|bird> dive, you really want to know? :P
[16:52] <spook> dive: i'm going to bed
[16:52] <dive> nn
[16:52] <fire|bird> night spook
[16:52] <Camarade_Tux> night spook :)
[16:53] <Camarade_Tux> dive: yeah, it's better that way, oh, and don't read the backlog -_-
[16:53] Action: fire|bird slap dive with a rather large squid.
[16:53] <dive> hmm now there's a thing I can't resist
[16:53] <fire|bird> lol
[16:53] <fire|bird> I'm on xchat trying the scripts. :D
[16:53] Action: dive takes ove spook's post at the eel cannon :>
[16:54] <Camarade_Tux> dive, said that on purpose, sorry :D
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[16:54] Action: fire|bird slap dive with around a bit with a large trout.
[16:54] <dive> I seee
[16:54] Action: dive throws a brick at fire|bird *bonk*
[16:54] <powtrix> at crontab, if i specify */5 in first (min) it will run at 5min-5min?
[16:54] Action: fire|bird takes his at the frozen squid cannon
[16:54] Action: fire|bird takes his post at the frozen squid cannon
[16:54] <DeeeeP> every 5 mins , powtrix
[16:55] <powtrix> thanks
[16:55] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux, missyjane hasn't said a word now. :P
[16:56] <dive> she's probably tired after being 'done'
[16:56] <dive> you naughty people
[16:56] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: yeah, she enjoyed that so much, she need some rest :)
[16:56] <missyjane> lol no im just trying to id the artist singing this song that i gave to deeeep
[16:56] <Camarade_Tux> s/need/needs/
[16:56] <missyjane> SHUSH
[16:56] <missyjane> I DONT NEED ANYTHING >:)
[16:56] <fire|bird> haha
[16:57] <Camarade_Tux> naughty girl :)
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[16:57] <Camarade_Tux> ok, easiest command of the day: join several videos with mencoder: mencoder -ovc copy -oac copy -o output1.avi file1.avi file2.avi ... fileN.avi
[16:58] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux, I always have just used cat. :P
[16:58] <superGear> i use dog
[16:58] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: doesn't work very well for video :P
[16:58] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux, always has for me.
[16:58] <Camarade_Tux> oh man, uncompressed videos hurt
[16:59] <cadmium>  /join nargon
[16:59] <macavity> actually, catting a bunch of jpegs of the same x*y > filename.mpeg actually works
[16:59] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: oh, nice, I haven't tried actually but it isn't guaranteed to work
[16:59] <cadmium> adri i think the squid is gone crazy
[16:59] <Camarade_Tux> except on mpeg
[17:00] <dive> Camarade_Tux, there's a command to merge avi's but I can't think of it atm
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[17:01] <Camarade_Tux> well, all these ways are terribly easy :p
[17:01] <Camarade_Tux> bah, 7GB file ='(
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[17:03] <Camarade_Tux> 6GB actually
[17:03] <Pig_Pen> if you want to do a lot of video editing you might want to look at avidemux
[17:04] <Lord_Khelben> most players with only play the first avi if you cat them
[17:04] <Lord_Khelben> due to the index
[17:04] <Lord_Khelben> mplayer cats the files and rebuilds the index
[17:05] <Camarade_Tux> Pig_Pen: no, I don't need a lot of things, I got the videos from work and only needed to concat them
[17:05] <Lord_Khelben> you can also join them in mkv container
[17:05] <dive> http://kuvaton.com/bshit/yoga_venajaksi.jpg
[17:05] <lontra> how do i add user lontra to netdev?  i thought it was just addgroup lontra netdev
[17:05] <Camarade_Tux> now, 6GB for 40s is like 150MB/s which almost no hard drive can do =)
[17:05] <Lord_Khelben> lontra: gpasswd -a lontra netdev i think
[17:05] <Lord_Khelben> addgroup will create the groups
[17:05] <lontra> Lord_Khelben, nice thanks
[17:06] <dive> lontra, as root 'gpasswd -a netdev lontra'
[17:06] <dive> nope
[17:06] <dive> as Lord_Khelben said (sorry just woke up)
[17:06] <macavity> dive: gpasswd -q user group
[17:06] <macavity> dive: not the other way around
[17:06] <macavity> -a
[17:06] <dive> yeah
[17:07] Action: macavity cant type
[17:07] Action: dive is still asleep
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[17:07] <Lord_Khelben> i can never remember which goes first :P
[17:07] <Lord_Khelben> i ran the manpage to see it
[17:07] <macavity> lontra: gpasswd(1) for details
[17:07] <lontra> sure will certainly man gpasswd
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[17:10] <Pig_Pen> thats called the "Chicken and the Egg Conundrum"
[17:10] <dive> lontra, is this to fix the wicd issue (or another) on -current?
[17:11] <lontra> dive, wicd says that i need to be a member of netdev to use it (or that's what the .txt file says)
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[17:11] <dive> lontra, then you will need to do /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus reload afterwads
[17:12] <lontra> dive, sure
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[17:17] <zaltekk> i've got a couple of quick questions about screen
[17:17] <zaltekk> do i need to detach the screen to be able to access it from ssh?
[17:17] <Camarade_Tux> I loev zsh's completion :)
[17:17] <zaltekk> or can i access it from the local computer and from an ssh login at the same time?
[17:17] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux, you need a spell checker. :P s/loev/love/
[17:18] <dive> zaltekk, generally yes, but you can use the -x option to connect more than once
[17:18] <zaltekk> the man page makes it seem like i would need to detach it with a combination of -d/D and -r/R
[17:18] <dive> man screen
[17:18] <zaltekk> i did man it...
[17:18] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: nah, I need completion in zsh too :D
[17:18] <dive> look at -x option
[17:18] <zaltekk> x said for multiuser
[17:18] <dive> right
[17:18] <Camarade_Tux> s/zsh/irssi/ ;)
[17:18] <zaltekk> i took that to mean different user accounts
[17:18] <zaltekk> not multiple logins of hte same account
[17:18] <dive> I see
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[17:18] <zaltekk> am i wrong?
[17:19] <zaltekk> oh, yeah...on reading it again i am completely wrong
[17:19] <zaltekk> thanks dive :)
[17:19] <dive> yw
[17:20] <zaltekk> ah, it works exactly like i wanted
[17:20] <zaltekk> awesome
[17:20] <zaltekk> i don't know how i lived without this before
[17:21] <lontra> first time i've finally gotten slackware to have wireless!
[17:21] <dive> lontra, nice
[17:21] <zaltekk> welcome
[17:21] <Lord_Khelben> lontra: congrats
[17:21] <zaltekk> i'm wireless too :P
[17:21] <zaltekk> well, except for my speaker cable.  no sub in the laptop, so i have to compromise
[17:21] <lontra> thanks
[17:21] Action: NthDegree hates wireless
[17:21] Action: NthDegree hates laptops >_>
[17:21] <Lord_Khelben> i on the other hand have tons of wires
[17:22] <NthDegree> even my keyboard is wired
[17:22] <zaltekk> on my desktop everything is wired
[17:22] <zaltekk> keyboard and mouse included
[17:22] <Lord_Khelben> NthDegree: i agree on the laptop hate thing :)
[17:22] <eviljames> I'm pretty wired right now.
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[17:22] <eviljames> All this coffee, I should probably stop eating the chocolate covered java beans.
[17:22] <Lord_Khelben> my mouse is wireless.everything else wired
[17:22] <lontra> if i'm running 13rc1 is there a way to stay up to date with current or am i better off staying put and installing 13.0 later when it's released? i installed the rc1 primarily to see if i could get things working
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[17:23] <Lord_Khelben> lontra: see slackpkg
[17:23] <zaltekk> lontra: try looking at slackpkg
[17:23] <Camarade_Tux> lontra: slackpkg :)
[17:23] <Lord_Khelben> if you did a full install you already have it
[17:23] <lontra> sounds like slackpkg ... he he
[17:23] <lontra> ok
[17:23] <lontra> i'll read the man
[17:23] <Camarade_Tux> my answer was better: it had a smiley :)
[17:23] <Lord_Khelben> heheh
[17:23] Action: Lord_Khelben buys Camarade_Tux a beer
[17:23] <zaltekk> lontra: it is quite simple...i think if you run it with no arguments it will tell you everything you need to know to update quickly
[17:24] <lontra> oh really? ok
[17:24] Action: eviljames buys Camarade_Tux a slap in the face.
[17:24] <Lord_Khelben> hehe
[17:24] <Lord_Khelben> you are indeed evil :P
[17:24] <zaltekk> irssi doesn't do spell checking, does it?
[17:25] <zaltekk> although maybe with a plugin/script?
[17:25] <Camarade_Tux> Lord_Khelben: beer friend :)
[17:25] <Lord_Khelben> zaltekk: every prog has a spell checker nowadays
[17:25] <eviljames> Lord_Khelben: Hey, some people pay good money to be slapped around.
[17:25] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: your mother wouldn't be proud!
[17:25] <Lord_Khelben> lets make a spelling mistake in irc at least :P
[17:25] <macavity> lontra: put "slackpkg update && slackpkg upgrade-all && slackpkg install-missing" in your evening prayer, and the digital gods will grant you much fortune ;-)
[17:25] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: My mother is a saint!!
[17:25] <eviljames> :P
[17:26] <macavity> eviljames: but she sure aint no virgin!
[17:26] Action: macavity ducks
[17:26] <macavity> :P
[17:26] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: she's a nonne?
[17:26] <Camarade_Tux> macavity: lol :p
[17:26] <eviljames> macavity: Well, .. obviously. :D
[17:27] <zaltekk> isn't it install-new?
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[17:27] <dive> zaltekk, yes
[17:28] <Camarade_Tux> hmmmmm, is that your mother eviljames http://www.venice-strip.de/images/nonne.jpg ?
[17:28] <dive> that's 1-1 macavity :P
[17:28] <eviljames> This better be safe for work..
[17:28] <lontra> and then 'slackpkg clean-system' right?
[17:28] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: why, why, why was I programmed to feel pain?!
[17:29] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: because of your mother ;)
[17:29] <zaltekk> lontra: that will erase unofficial packages.  you might not want to do that very often.
[17:29] <lontra> oh ok :)
[17:29] <dive> lontra, if you do clean-system it will wipe out any custom stuff you have installed
[17:29] <dive> except from source
[17:31] <macavity> zaltekk: right
[17:31] <lontra> bash: /usr/sbin/slackpkg: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[17:31] <macavity> lontra: run as root?
[17:31] <lontra> macavity, yup
[17:32] Action: macavity scratches head
[17:32] <dive> lontra, ls -l /bin/sh
[17:32] <lontra> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2009-07-19 10:46 /bin/sh -> bash
[17:32] <macavity> it is /bin/bash these days
[17:32] <eviljames> http://oswatershed.org/
[17:32] <dive> yes but most scripts use sh
[17:32] <dive> like slackbuilds slackpkg etc
[17:33] <eviljames> I wonder what type of crack these guys are smoking?  Slackawre 94.% obsolete?
[17:33] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: if they take 12.2, yes ;)
[17:33] <macavity> eviljames: that is called "envy" ;-P
[17:34] <eviljames> Ahh, I'll have to look for this "envy crack" macavity speaks of, it seems to produce interesting results...
[17:34] <macavity> s/interesting/lame/
[17:34] <Camarade_Tux> released today by upstream: libgdata, evolution*, choudb-glib, gdm
[17:34] <Camarade_Tux> and libgee, and s/chou/couch/
[17:35] <Camarade_Tux> most are gnome apps ;)
[17:35] <dive> lontra, does pkgtool work?
[17:35] <lontra> dive, nope
[17:35] <eviljames> These people seem to be all about smoking crack - their measurement of obsolesence is by how much "not-bleeding-edge" software is on the system?  Good god, I hope someday we get to 100.
[17:35] <dive> lontra, you must have some packages missing
[17:36] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, "obsolete" issn't the word to use
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[17:37] <Camarade_Tux> anyway, nmap-5.00 appeared in -current within two days, xorg-server-1.6.2, within a day...
[17:37] <dive> stability = obsolete
[17:38] <dive> or in their case at least
[17:38] <eviljames> Man = Obsolete
[17:38] <macavity> being 0% obsolete means running 100% git/cvs/svn :P
[17:38] <Camarade_Tux> hahaha, they use slackware 12.2 but mention "pkgtools13.0" has been released today ;p
[17:38] <macavity> >_<
[17:39] <dive> I wouldn't take any notice
[17:39] <Camarade_Tux> macavity: he, look at what has been released for ubuntu today ;) �
[17:39] <dive> idiocratic website if you ask me
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[17:39] <Camarade_Tux> ldb-tools0.9.6~git20090617, libldb-dev0.9.6~git20090617, libldb00.9.6~git20090617, python-ldb0.9.6~git20090617 ;p
[17:40] <Camarade_Tux> sigh, a 3.5MB h264 file has the same quality as a 6GB uncompressed avi one
[17:40] <macavity> what an idiot
[17:40] <Urchlay> pkgtools 13.0 was released 2 days ago, tell those people to get their web site up to date
[17:40] <eviljames> That guy is on the front page of /. so if he has ads he's doing somethign right.
[17:40] <macavity> lets start a fake rumor that he has been hired by mircrosoft to get distros to push more unreliable software to end users
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[17:41] <macavity> howcome slackware is less obsolete than opensuse, but has more lag?
[17:41] <Camarade_Tux> macavity: that's evil<tab> :p
[17:42] <eviljames> I don't think that's quite evil enough.
[17:42] <eviljames> It's semi-evil, quasi-evil.. the diet coke of evil.  Just one calorie, not quite enough.
[17:42] <Camarade_Tux> that's evil, but that's not james, right
[17:42] <Camarade_Tux> or james but not evil, I don't know
[17:43] <macavity> and if the morron auto lists latest updates, didnt he forget a thing or two in the last batch?
[17:43] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: j'pense que tu berceau les boules!
[17:43] <Camarade_Tux> "berceau"? :o
[17:43] <eviljames> heh, it was a google translate for "cradle"
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[17:43] <eviljames> but I imagine it picked the wrong cradle.
[17:44] <Camarade_Tux> a pic of a berceau : http://www.babyland-zeller.net/images/roba06/babysitter/babysitter2-r.jpg :D
[17:44] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: yeah, probably, not sure though ;p
[17:44] <dive> good, now show us a pic of a ball cradle
[17:44] <eviljames> Definitely picked the wrong cradle - more like fondle or gently caress.
[17:45] <Camarade_Tux> macavity: I think the changelog format is too hard for him to parse ;p
[17:46] <dive> Camarade_Tux, Je pense que tu caresse les boulles
[17:46] <superGear> eviljames voudrais caresser doucement Camarade_Tux
[17:46] <eviljames> hahah
[17:46] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: and you actually meant?
[17:47] <dive> eviljames voudraias caresser ton bollues Camarade_Tux
[17:47] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: no, I was just calling you a ball cradler, and couldn't remember the word for cradle so I went to goog translate.
[17:47] <eviljames> In short: I fail.
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[17:48] <dive> god my French spelling is worse than my English
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[17:48] <thumbs> dive: wtf was that?
[17:48] <Camarade_Tux> well, it was nice, I learnt that I am caressing eviljames's balls and that eviljames would like to caress me too :)
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[17:48] <missyjane> more of you fat butts should idle in ##fitness like me :D
[17:48] <dive> thumbs, eviljames voudrais caresser ton boulles
[17:48] <thumbs> dive: what?
[17:49] <Camarade_Tux> missyjane: no, we're men here, we don't need to fitness
[17:49] <missyjane> lol!
[17:49] <eviljames> thumbs: I poorly called Camarade_Tux a ball cradler, now people are going crazy here.
[17:49] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: you can come caress me and my balls whenever you want
[17:49] <dive> fitness oh god!
[17:49] <missyjane> i just wanted someone to run iwth me and eat right with me :p
[17:49] <thumbs> I see.
[17:49] <dive> missyjane, eviljames voudrais caresser ton boulles!
[17:50] <missyjane> my french isnt that good
[17:50] <dive> does that help
[17:50] <missyjane> you touch my what?
[17:50] <dive> me not touch anything
[17:51] <Camarade_Tux> you touch my tralalala :)
[17:51] <Camarade_Tux> s/tralalala/tralala/
[17:51] <missyjane> TRAALALALAL!!!
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[17:52] <Camarade_Tux> nsfw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbYtqAWDF2U , You Touch My Tralala :)
[17:52] <Camarade_Tux> missyjane: you want to cut your hair? :D
[17:52] <missyjane> hehe
[17:52] <missyjane> any marines here?
[17:53] <Camarade_Tux> I'll be whatever you want
[17:53] <zaltekk> i've got a buddy in the marines
[17:53] <zaltekk> he has been home from iraq for a couple of months
[17:53] <missyjane> hehe what mos?
[17:53] <missyjane> and rank? is he an officer like my ex? can i get his full name so he can kick your ass? :d
[17:53] <zaltekk> mos?
[17:53] <missyjane> :D
[17:53] <missyjane> yeah military specialist, sort of like choosing your class when you play a rpg game lol
[17:53] <cadmium> zaltekk whoo'm
[17:53] <missyjane> like warrior.. priest... in this case, "tank driver, aircraft maintanence, etc"
[17:54] <zaltekk> missyjane: i have no idea =/
[17:54] <missyjane> lol
[17:54] <cadmium> right....
[17:54] <zaltekk> he doesn't really talk about it
[17:54] <missyjane> cadmium, are you anti-military? :D
[17:54] <missyjane> zaltekk, thats fine, i wish the best of luck to him and hope he comes home safely
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[17:54] <cadmium> yes but i'm also in the military...i'm also anti government
[17:54] <zaltekk> missyjane: he is home is what i just said
[17:54] <zaltekk> got back 2 months ago
[17:54] <zaltekk> thanks though :)
[17:54] <eviljames> an anti-government person in the military doesn't make a whole lot of sense...
[17:54] <missyjane> oh i misread that
[17:55] <missyjane> cadmium, thats sad and confusing lol
[17:55] <cadmium> well i did my part.. i was a medic.. i fell under the geneva convention
[17:55] <missyjane> eviljames, no, antigovt makes sense but antimilitary does not
[17:55] <eviljames> cadmium: I'd be interested in hearing you elaborate on your position.
[17:55] <missyjane> and what happened to you?
[17:55] <missyjane> the military does not declare war, the politicians do
[17:55] <cadmium> i just set peoples internet up
[17:55] <cadmium> instead of being a medic
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[17:56] <missyjane> "The military don't start wars. Politicians start wars."  William Westmoreland
[17:56] <eviljames> missyjane: There's plenty of room to be anti-military.  It certainly makes much more sense than being pro-military.
[17:56] <cadmium> and now i'm here setting up internet still as a civilian
[17:56] <missyjane> dont know, my ex is a marine officer, all the marines ive met i have great impression of
[17:56] <eviljames> Ideally, the army/navy should never have to be used.
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[17:56] <Camarade_Tux> well, military ain't that bad, war is another thing
[17:57] <missyjane> i wanted to join but apparently i have lung problem so i couldnt
[17:57] <cadmium> well the army is getting worese i'll tell you that
[17:57] <missyjane> i wouldve been a womens marine!
[17:58] <cadmium> i guess historically its as corrupt and defunct as any fighting force...
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[17:58] <missyjane> cadmium, sigh
[17:58] <missyjane> there are good fighting forces though, my ex told me about being surprised at chinese military being very top notch
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[17:59] <cadmium> i heard the chinease or the koreans or "something" are using a variant of openbsd for securing their networks
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[17:59] <missyjane> yea the chinese are actually
[18:00] <missyjane> not sure about korea but south korea has tough ass marines too
[18:00] <missyjane> actually
[18:00] <missyjane> asian marines beat us marines D:
[18:00] <cadmium> doesn't supprise me.. i think they still beat their kids to.. and maybee in the classroom...
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[18:01] <missyjane> ta men bu da ta mende xui-hai :)
[18:01] <missyjane> no they dont beat their kids hehe
[18:01] <missyjane> china is different, like day and night
[18:01] <missyjane> true capitalism? look no further than hong kong
[18:01] <missyjane> true manufacturing power? look no further than china
[18:01] <missyjane> best military discipline? look no further than pla
[18:01] <cadmium> i have to go to honkong thats where are new noc is colocated
[18:01] <Camarade_Tux> bah, need sleeep, and I'm working too much
[18:01] <eviljames> true freedom?  Don't look anywhere near china.
[18:01] <missyjane> hahah actually
[18:01] <missyjane> chinese folks will disagree with you
[18:02] <eviljames> Sure they will, they've been propagandized for 2 generations (not unlike many other countries in the world..)
[18:02] <missyjane> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfnmCOUieLw
[18:02] <Camarade_Tux> tomorrow: make a uml slackware image with X, network tools and x264
[18:02] <missyjane> watch this youtube video
[18:02] <missyjane> all the jobs are going to china now
[18:02] <missyjane> bah :) have you guys ever been to china?
[18:02] <Camarade_Tux> a friend of mine is chinese, her parents still believe in the Red Book and Mao
[18:02] <missyjane> my girl has and i speak mandarin
[18:03] <missyjane> bah mao is worshipped cause he isnt as bad as people make him ou tot be
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[18:03] <cadmium> actually pakistani's will tell you that the CIA was responsible for programing the religions wariiors in afghanistan...
[18:03] <Pig_Pen> missyjane: where have you been, the USA has been losing jobs to china since the late 1970a
[18:03] <ccfreak2k> Is there some issue with the current version of pixman that I should know about?
[18:03] <eviljames> cadmium: They would be right.
[18:03] <Camarade_Tux> they live in France now, they don't live in China anymore, there might be a reason too
[18:03] <macavity> eviljames: being a bit of an armchair anarchist, i will sustain that the same can be said about the US.. both the postulate about no freedom, but also the one about propaganda...
[18:03] <missyjane> Pig_Pen, lol not on such a scale tho
[18:03] <Camarade_Tux> macavity++ :p
[18:04] <eviljames> cadmium: It's not exactly a secret that the CIA trained (for example) Osama Bin Laden.  It was (iirc) on George HW Bush's orders.
[18:04] <cadmium> right but the pentagons plan was to "stabalize" the middle east and then move to africa
[18:04] <Pig_Pen> you cant swing a dead cat by the tail in any dept store in the USA without knocking something off the shelf with a Made in China sticker on the bottom
[18:04] <chopp> ccfreak2k: read the changelog?
[18:05] <eviljames> macavity: Absolutely, hence the aside about "other countries".. I know that I have the same propaganda here.
[18:05] <macavity> :P
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[18:05] <eviljames> cadmium: "stabilize" - that is, drive out the Reds.
[18:05] <cadmium> with an effort on "securing the global economy" and outsourcing administrative military components..
[18:05] <missyjane> but as far as my ex is concerned
[18:05] <missyjane> america can become a leader in the world again, but the people has to be motivated
[18:05] <ccfreak2k> chopp, that doesn't really answer my question.
[18:05] <missyjane> right now everyone is busy olistening to rap music, busy trying to have sex, etc
[18:05] <missyjane> lol
[18:06] <cadmium> and use slackware...
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[18:06] <missyjane> he wants more people to take up math adn science course, less sex, more exercising, etc
[18:06] <eviljames> missyjane: I really don't think that your rap music/sex drive is accurate at large.  That is certainly the under 25 crowd, but over 25 the problems are much worse I think.
[18:06] <NthDegree> missyjane, which won't make any difference
[18:06] <Pig_Pen> what i *really* like to listen to is jazz, with no lyrics = just music
[18:06] <missyjane> eviljames, just one aspect of it
[18:06] <macavity> id rather not that the world has "leaders" like that... good old fashioned consensus seems to keep the extreemists at bay the best
[18:06] <Camarade_Tux> time to call it a night, see you tomorrow :)
[18:07] <missyjane> NthDegree, oh it does :D imagine americans in the ww2 again, those generation were the greatest because production rate of all industry were up by 345%
[18:07] <fire|bird> night Camarade_Tux
[18:07] <missyjane> night Camarade_Tux
[18:07] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trio_of_Doom
[18:07] <macavity> sleep tight Tux
[18:07] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: That's not a great article, but check that out because it's got some wicked modern jazz fusion.
[18:07] <NthDegree> missyjane, they were greater because people would think for themselves back then
[18:07] <NthDegree> missyjane, now everything is done for us
[18:07] <chopp> ccfreak2k: well you asked if there's a problem with pixman, and the July 18'th changelog states there is/was, and some of the issues.
[18:07] <missyjane> NthDegree, exactly, thats why less tv, more books :d
[18:07] <missyjane> :D
[18:07] <macavity> i would hate to disagree on that one
[18:08] <NthDegree> missyjane, no, more critical thinking
[18:08] <macavity> ..but i happen to do so
[18:08] <NthDegree> people need to think for themselves
[18:08] <NthDegree> the medium makes no difference
[18:08] <ccfreak2k> chopp, I also saw discussion about it here earlier, hence why I asked.
[18:08] <missyjane> hehe
[18:08] <missyjane> even this guys agrees http://alturl.com/syzx
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[18:08] <NthDegree> abolish forced education - change to a system where people learn what they want to learn
[18:08] <missyjane> NO! for the people! for america, we have to force draft, i want to join the military!
[18:08] <ccfreak2k> NthDegree, that sounds like an awful proposition
[18:09] <macavity> i agree with NthDegree on that one, but i disagree about how the situation on critical thinking was around ww2
[18:09] <missyjane> i want to go to college, i want to be able to help america!
[18:09] <eviljames> NthDegree: Oh, that sounds hideous.
[18:09] <macavity> heh.. just stop mandating that everyone leans the same in highschool :P
[18:10] <macavity> here the teachers actually get to pick all the text material them selves
[18:10] <NthDegree> ccfreak2k, would you rather specialise in the subject that you know and love, or have crap rammed down your throat which usually is there for political correctness anyway?
[18:10] <ccfreak2k> Loaded question.
[18:10] <Pig_Pen> political correctness is the delusion that you can pick up a turd by the clean end
[18:10] <NthDegree> Also, abstinence-only education needs to be gotten rid of
[18:10] <chopp> ccfreak2k: ok fine..carry on :)
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[18:11] <ccfreak2k> Specialization happens after high school. Public schooling gets you ready for the world (and usually college).
[18:11] <ccfreak2k> High school DOES have electives, although choice is limited depending on where you went.
[18:11] <NthDegree> ccfreak2k, does it heck.. that's a load of crap and everyone knows it
[18:11] <NthDegree> Real life experience gets you ready for the world, not school
[18:11] <missyjane> ccfreak2k, my high school didnt have electives so i dropped out
[18:11] <missyjane> lol and og ty ged
[18:11] <NthDegree> School is as much a preparation as the Internet is :P
[18:11] <ccfreak2k> missyjane, where was this?
[18:12] <macavity> eg "300 pages of literature written between 1800 and 1900" is specified, but the teacher has free hands to pick any genre/style/view/author
[18:12] <missyjane> ccfreak2k, new york!! :D
[18:12] <missyjane> NEW YORK FOR LIFE
[18:12] <missyjane> :D
[18:12] <ccfreak2k> State?
[18:12] <missyjane> yes im in brookln
[18:12] <missyjane> brooklyn
[18:12] <NthDegree> The environment is engineered by people who draft out a curriculum, based on what the government pushes
[18:12] <ccfreak2k> That's odd. I had electives, and I went to a lesser-known town of California.
[18:12] <Pig_Pen> NthDegree has a point, and that is exactly why i did not do all that great in school = because of teachers that did not really like their job but kept a teaching job anyway because it was a cushy union job with tenure
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[18:13] <ccfreak2k> NthDegree, I'll concede that some portion of schooling is based on test-taking.
[18:13] <ccfreak2k> However, I don't feel as though it was 100% useless.
[18:13] <missyjane> lol
[18:13] <ccfreak2k> I feel that abolishing required public schooling would be a detriment.
[18:13] <macavity> observe that in Denmark, no student to this date has had a multiple choice test...
[18:14] <missyjane> ccfreak2k, you should definitely read the article i pasted, america has a lot to learn
[18:14] <macavity> first time i saw one of those i laughed my ass off :P
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[18:14] <ccfreak2k> Yes, multiple choice questions are easy, mostly because they're designed in such a fashion that two options are usually very wrong.
[18:14] <NthDegree> ccfreak2k, being a person who missed almost 5 out of 11 years of mandatory education.. in my experience, self-education and learning what you want to learn is far better than mandatory education =]
[18:15] <ccfreak2k> In fact, in my learnings in high school, I could (70% of the time) get a right answer on a multiple-choice question of which I didn't know the material.
[18:15] <cadmium> one time i had a multiple test question on the MEAP test that was basically asking what I would do if my friend was hurt and in the hospital.. it was like A. take him flowers B.something.   I always thought it was a question to scan for psychopaths...
[18:15] <eviljames> NthDegree: without a base, you cannot self-educate.
[18:15] <macavity> NthDegree: i disagree hole heatedly
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[18:15] <ccfreak2k> NthDegree, do you think that everyone else in the country has the same discipline?
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[18:15] <macavity> NthDegree: that will very likely turn you very mono viewed
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[18:16] <macavity> descipline being one thing... but i actually fear more about quality than quantity
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[18:17] <NthDegree> macavity, perhaps the scientific method should be applied.  Take a bunch of kids and have their parents stimulate them to self-educate vs. a bunch of kids who go to school and suffer the curriculum :P
[18:17] <ccfreak2k> It's clear from your wording that you don't have an objective view on the situation.
[18:17] <macavity> NthDegree: perhaps it is because i come from a rather different education system that i disagree with you so much
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[18:18] <lontra> does anyone have a good how to for install nvidia on slack?
[18:18] <macavity> NthDegree: here i would not trust it to parrents to do as good a job as the teachers
[18:18] <fire|bird> greetings gtl
[18:18] <NthDegree> ccfreak2k, actually no-one in this channel can
[18:18] <zaltekk> hmm.  found one slight problem with me using screen
[18:18] <gtl> hey fire|bird
[18:18] <gtl> greetings all
[18:18] <ccfreak2k> macavity, I come from the same one as him (for 6 out of 11 years), and even I can't agree fully.
[18:18] <cadmium> lontra what monitors r u using ?
[18:18] <NthDegree> ccfreak2k, you don't have an objective view either, because you've been through the curriculum fully
[18:18] <zaltekk> if i leave irssi open on the comp with a framebuffer and ssh in and use -x, i have to stretch my ssh terminal that big
[18:18] <lontra> cadmium, do you mean what's my video card? i have a laptop
[18:19] <ccfreak2k> NthDegree, I also refrain from using words like "suffering" to describe either situation.
[18:19] <zaltekk> but it does let me use my laptop to type onto my desktop screen with it open and not need the old clickity keyboard
[18:19] <gtl> guys, i need some help in setting up hyphenization and cedilla
[18:19] <cadmium> lontra no i am using a big card but its nvidia so..
[18:19] <NthDegree> ccfreak2k, it is suffering though.  People who genuinely wish to learn are held back by those who don't when they are all lumped together in the same environment
[18:19] <eviljames> NthDegree: I think your method would be unbelievably ineffective.  The number of children born to parents who have neither the time, inclination, capacity nor education themselves to provide such an environment for their children FAR outnumber those that do.
[18:19] <ccfreak2k> zaltekk, tried using screen?
[18:19] <gtl> cedilla comes as 
[18:20] <Digit> heh yeah school is really bad. I live in NY and went for computer systems technology. Pretty much i didn't have to study for anything except psycology (ended up with a 3.68 gpa , could of done better)
[18:20] <missyjane> omg
[18:20] <eviljames> NthDegree: It certainly is fortunate, for you, that your parents fostered such an environment -- but don't be all disingenuous and try to pretend that is the norm.
[18:20] <missyjane> another NEW YORKER, what part of ny digit?
[18:20] <zaltekk> ccfreak2k: that is what i am talking about
[18:20] <ccfreak2k> My only regret from a scholastic point of view is that the high school I went to didn't have much in the way of the field I wished to stufy.
[18:21] <macavity> eviljames: i agree... it is better to fix the education system by modeling it after the contries who have actually had some success in creating skilled and free thinking induviudals
[18:21] <Digit> Was funny, was listening in on a class wich the head guy for computer technology was teach. He was saying cookies are viruses that logs all your keystrokes and steals credit card numbers. I couldn't believe it.
[18:21] <ccfreak2k> zaltekk, I mean GNU screen. As in, screen -S irssi or whatever.
[18:21] <Digit> missyjane: Rochester
[18:21] <missyjane> cookies are NOT virus, they are FOOD
[18:21] <missyjane> mmm.. cookies! :D
[18:21] <cadmium> i failed spanish 3 times and the third time i wrote a guess the number game that played itself... i know a very small amount of spanish...
[18:21] <Digit> heh
[18:21] <missyjane> DIGIT EWWWW GO AWAY you fake new yorker
[18:21] <missyjane> only 5 borough of new york are the REAL new york
[18:21] <missyjane> NEW YORK FOR LIFE
[18:21] <Digit> missyjane: i know, i hate myself =( haha jk
[18:21] <missyjane> brooklyn's finest here
[18:21] <ccfreak2k> missyjane, Firefox (and Phoenix) used to say "Cookies are delicious delicacies" before it hit 1.0.
[18:21] <zaltekk> ccfreak2k: if i use screen with -x to share the session between my laptop and desktop then one is the wrong size...because the desktop is a vesafb and the laptop is a konsole window
[18:21] <missyjane> im a brooklyn girl, omfg, it means im HOT :D
[18:21] <Digit> missyjane: you skateborad?
[18:22] <missyjane> ccfreak2k, lol :D
[18:22] <macavity> why do i get the sensation that i am at a football match right now? :P
[18:22] <ccfreak2k> zaltekk, I have no idea then.
[18:22] <missyjane> digit hell no thats for fake new yorkers, i club, i dance
[18:22] <missyjane> i actually model
[18:22] <macavity> or something equally narrow visioned :P
[18:22] <zaltekk> ccfreak2k: i can detach one and then reattach with the other and it looks normal
[18:22] <missyjane> new york is the greatest COUNTRY in the world, i siad it! :D
[18:22] <missyjane> its not a state, its a COUNTRY
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[18:23] <zaltekk> but currently i just make the konsole window tiny and alt+tab to it and use the laptop to type on the larger desktop monitor
[18:23] <NthDegree> eviljames, mandatory schooling doesn't fix that problem either.  School teaches fixed subjects based around a curriculum - it gives no freedom to students who wish to learn more from a young age
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[18:23] <missyjane> SHUT UP >:(
[18:23] <missyjane> i dont need no map
[18:23] <missyjane> my map consist of "THE WORLD OF NEW YORK" :D
[18:23] <NthDegree> it deliberately limits kids until they are old enough to escape it
[18:23] <zaltekk> so that i don't have to move to the other keyboard and use the noisy old keyboard
[18:23] <cadmium> i feel we should adapt an atlantian society...
[18:23] <ccfreak2k> zaltekk, I usually use screen for detaching, which is probably why I never had that issue.
[18:23] <zaltekk> ccfreak2k: correct
[18:23] <macavity> missyjane: i live 10k miles away from the US, and even *I* know that NY is a state, in which the largest city has the same name
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[18:24] <NthDegree> eviljames, if kids went to a college to choose what subjects they wished to learn - they would be far better off than with mandatory education.  Because they _want_ to learn, they're not _forced_ to.
[18:24] <zaltekk> ccfreak2k: the problem is that it can't output to two different terminals at the same time without picking which one to "prefer" to output properly to
[18:24] <Fenix> hello gents
[18:24] <fire|bird> Hello Fenix
[18:24] <missyjane> macavity, um clearly you couldnt tell i was jk :) and i am just simply proud as hell of new yorkers
[18:24] <gtl> hey Fenix
[18:24] <zaltekk> i did, however, just free up a large amount of disk space by removing the desktop's keyboard from my desk
[18:25] <ccfreak2k> Disk space or desk space?
[18:25] <zaltekk> desk
[18:25] <macavity> missyjane: i was joking too :P
[18:25] <zaltekk> sorry :P
[18:25] <Fenix> any of you guys gamers, and happen to use wine?
[18:25] <gtl> Fenix, sometimes
[18:25] <Fenix> which games?
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[18:25] <macavity> Fenix: forget it, go back to windoze ;-P
[18:25] <gtl> what's the matter:
[18:26] <edman007> macavity, hey, i'm 10 miles from the NY state boarder, so the world must extent a bit past the NY state boarder
[18:26] <ccfreak2k> Fenix, Wine is hit-or-miss with many games.
[18:26] <edman007> err missyjane
[18:26] <NthDegree> Fenix, I'm a CodeWeavers Advocate - and I can say you might aswell use Windows
[18:26] <Fenix> i'm a big warcraft 3 fan, it worked flawlessly with wine 'till the latest wc3 update... nuked bnet support
[18:26] <edman007> s/extent/extend/
[18:26] <ccfreak2k> If it works, then it works. If It doesn't work, then it's an uphill battle to get it to work.
[18:26] <Fenix> and how does wine work in 64-bit slackware?
[18:26] <Fenix> or 64-bit linux as a whole
[18:26] <NthDegree> Fenix, it works via multilib/multiarch support
[18:26] <Fenix> ok
[18:27] <missyjane> macavity, bah lol you sounded serious, i saw no punchline
[18:27] <NthDegree> the kernel can execute 32-bit binaries, provided the libs are in /lib32 or such
[18:27] <missyjane> Fenix, i do, i used to with wow
[18:27] <Fenix> i went back to windows for gaming, trouble is that i haven't rebooted back to slackware in months :(
[18:27] <missyjane> edman007, lol :D canada?
[18:27] <Fenix> too much tf2/l4d/wc3
[18:27] <ccfreak2k> zaltekk, how about passing -A along when attaching from the laptop?
[18:27] <edman007> missyjane, i'm in CT
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[18:27] <macavity> missyjane: it was actually a slam dunk on the education topic ;-P
[18:27] <ccfreak2k> I'm not sure if it would work.
[18:27] <missyjane> edman007, EW, ct = ny wannabe
[18:27] <edman007> less than 2 hours from NYC, but not in NY
[18:27] <missyjane> macavity, oh lol
[18:27] <NthDegree> Fenix, if you're that interested in stable gaming then buy a product from CodeWeavers or Cedega where you get professional support =]
[18:28] <edman007> missyjane, lol...well i'm moving to NY in a month or so :)
[18:28] <Fenix> do any of the paid wine forks support dx 9?
[18:28] <macavity> missyjane: my uncle went to the US... and when he told a waitress where he was from she asked "oh.. so did you drive all the way to the US of A?"
[18:28] <edman007> Fenix, the standard wine one does the best
[18:28] <edman007> macavity, from where?
[18:28] <Fenix> last i tried, team fortress 2 only ran with dx8
[18:28] <NthDegree> Fenix, if Wine supports it then CrossOver does - as CrossOver's devs contribute their code back to Wine
[18:28] <ccfreak2k> Cedega tends to (on average) have worse support than Wine for any games that they don't have a deal with.
[18:29] <Fenix> it ran okay, but i had to run it from command line and kill steam each time i loaded it up
[18:29] <macavity> edman007: Europe.....
[18:29] <missyjane> NthDegree, i sort of disagree, the cedega folks couldnt get my warhammer online to work
[18:29] <NthDegree> missyjane, is it on their certified games list?
[18:29] <missyjane> NthDegree, i dont remember to be honest, edman007 bah! go away, you must be born here and this tall to live in new york :D
[18:29] <NthDegree> and are you using an NVIDIA GPU? (They only support NVIDIA to my knowledge)
[18:29] <macavity> lol
[18:29] <zaltekk> ccfreak2k: i'll look at it
[18:29] <Fenix> yes, nvidia 9600GT
[18:30] <NthDegree> Fenix, sorry I meant missyjane there lol
[18:30] <Fenix> heh
[18:30] <Digit> hm, is their trackpoint support for 2.6x kernel?
[18:30] <hrad> the 1,7GB iso current-releases on internet, what is the stuff which is omitted from the full installation ?
[18:30] <edman007> missyjane, your not even that tall!
[18:30] <zaltekk> ccfreak2k: oh, no, i don't need that.  the problem is only if i am attached from both terminals at the same time
[18:30] <Fenix> if warcraft 3, and tf2 worked fine in wine, i'd immediately whipe my windows partition
[18:30] <zaltekk> ccfreak2k: otherwise, it is the correct size on the single terminal attached
[18:30] <ccfreak2k> Indeed.
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[18:31] <Fenix> would be better if there were native ports... but that wont happen for the forseeable future
[18:31] <NthDegree> Fenix, let me check something...
[18:31] <Fenix> maybe after the end of the world in 2012
[18:31] <gtl> how much does a cedega license costs?
[18:31] <zaltekk> Fenix: iD Software makes some great games.
[18:31] <Fenix> yup
[18:31] <Fenix> though i didn't like et quake wars
[18:31] <NthDegree> gtl, $15 then $5 per month thereafter.. it's not a great solution unless you're a hardcore gamer
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[18:32] <NthDegree> gtl, but if you stop subscribing it still works, in most countries that keeps it legal to use forever - regardless of what the licence states
[18:32] <missyjane> NthDegree, yes :) i have a great nvidia card too
[18:32] <missyjane> fenix i have the same card as you
[18:32] <lontra> i have the following nvidia card: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 135M ... but i can't figure out how to install the driver
[18:32] <Fenix> missyjane, ^5
[18:32] <missyjane> edman007, bah i was born here :o so HAH
[18:33] <gtl> NthDegree, hmm... thanks
[18:33] <Fenix> heh i was thinking about upgrading to an ati 4890
[18:33] <zaltekk> Fenix: i thought it sounded like fun, but never tried it
[18:33] <NthDegree> Fenix, TF2 is supported on CXGames, as is HL2 and WoW
[18:33] <gtl> Fenix, you sure of that?
[18:33] <zaltekk> "CXGames"?
[18:33] <Fenix> NthDegree, supported, but does it run in dx9?
[18:33] <NthDegree> zaltekk, CrossOver Games
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[18:33] <zaltekk> ah
[18:33] <Fenix> cedega hides info until you buy the software first
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[18:34] <Fenix> so i dont know if they support my games until i give them money first
[18:34] <NthDegree> Fenix, Wine supports DX9 so yes so does CXGames
[18:34] <Fenix> ok
[18:34] Nick change: pizdets -> pizzledizzle
[18:34] <NthDegree> Fenix, CXGames has a free trial download, no money needs to be paid to get it - it's worth a look
[18:34] <Fenix> and wine support with ati cards is pretty abysmal, right?
[18:34] <NthDegree> and also they provide source code to the Wine core it's based on
[18:34] <Fenix> NthDegree, ah thats something to give a try
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[18:35] <NthDegree> if it works and you don't think the money is worth it, you can compile the source code to the Wine core and use that.. also there's the advocate program where if you BETA test and such for them you get the software for free
[18:36] <Fenix> ok, that seems a bit better than shelling out $15 without knowing if my games are supported at all
[18:37] <missyjane> ok
[18:37] <missyjane> bbl
[18:37] <missyjane> gonna go clean up, eat, etc
[18:37] <missyjane> :D again, NEW YORK FOR LIFE
[18:37] <NthDegree> laters missyjane ^^
[18:39] <NthDegree> Fenix, the main difference between Cedega and CXGames is the fact that Cedega does deals with the devil to get copy protection support etc. so that more games work unmodified whereas CodeWeavers stay true to open source and such
[18:39] <Fenix> yea
[18:39] <NthDegree> So with Cedega you're more likely to get a game that uses a supported copy protection scheme working than with the other product
[18:39] <Fenix> i know codeweavers gives more back to the community
[18:40] <Fenix> the games i play are pretty relaxed on copy protection so thats a non-issue
[18:40] <Fenix> steam aside
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[18:43] <NthDegree> There is another Wine-based app that's free and makes use of known hacks to get games working called PlayOnLinux, but there's no support from a company or the Wine community for it
[18:44] <NthDegree> and it auto-downloads the "optimal" Wine version based on testing for each game
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[18:45] <NthDegree> they have the biggest library of supported games though, on the plus side
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[18:48] <lontra> this sounds like a simple question but ... ./configure --prefix=/usr/bin/ ... will see up the package to be installed to /usr/bin/?
[18:48] <lontra> s see/set
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[18:49] <eviljames> lontra: --prefix=/usr --bindir=/bin (usually, but check ./configure --help)
[18:49] <lontra> eviljames, it says ...      $ ./configure --prefix=/where/you/want/R/to/go
[18:50] <illuz1oN> any of you guys every done wargames on smashthestack.org ?
[18:50] <illuz1oN> level9 was a bitch :x
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[18:50] <dive> lontra, --prefix=/usr
[18:50] <gtl> sound decided to stop working...
[18:50] <eviljames> lontra: right, so --prefix=/usr
[18:50] <gtl> crap
[18:50] <lontra> ok thanks
[18:50] <lontra> :)
[18:50] <eviljames> lontra: or, perhaps /usr/local or /usr/R if you are so inclined :D
[18:50] <lontra> and is /usr/bin an OK place to install on slackware?
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[18:51] <lontra> or is it best practice to install to /usr/local
[18:51] <dive> if you use /usr it will puts bins in /usr/bin libs in /usr/lib/ etc
[18:51] <eviljames> lontra: Personally, I use /usr/local to house the stuff that I didn't install from a package.
[18:51] <Digit> heh anyone here apply for the wine internship before?
[18:51] <NthDegree> I go for /usr
[18:51] <BP{k}> lontra:sorry for butting in late, which package are you trying to build?
[18:51] <eviljames> lontra: and I always consider /usr/local to be disposable stuff - if I erase it nobody gets hurt :D
[18:51] <NthDegree> I symlink /usr/local to .
[18:51] <NthDegree> :P
[18:51] <lontra> BP{k}, R
[18:51] <lontra> eviljames, that makes sense
[18:51] <NthDegree> anything I want separate goes in /opt
[18:52] <NthDegree> since /opt is for separating things ^^
[18:52] <dive> lontra, R?
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[18:52] <eviljames> Not according to FHS 3.12 /opt : Add-on application software packages
[18:52] <lontra> www.r-project.org
[18:52] <eviljames> dive: Statistics processing language.
[18:53] <BP{k}> lontra: use the slackbuild?
[18:53] <BP{k}> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/academic/R/
[18:53] <dive> yeah reading
[18:53] <eviljames> dive: useful & powerful, but not part of slackware, nor on SBo iirc
[18:53] Action: BP{k} coughs
[18:53] <eviljames> -sigh- Again I have failed...
[18:53] <BP{k}> ;)
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[18:55] <dive> heh
[18:56] <dive> lontra, any reason why you aren't using the slackbuild from slackbuilds.org?
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[18:56] <lontra> dive, i'm building it on slackware-current
[18:56] <dive> ah BP{k} beat me to it
[18:56] <dive> lontra, it *may* still run
[18:56] <lontra> dive, also i'm not familiar with slackbuild.org
[18:57] <lontra> dive, anyways once 13.0 is actually released i'm going to hose this ... so it's all a learning process for me at the  moment ... i'll try the slackbuilds when i install 13.0
[18:57] <dive> lontra, slackbuilds.org is the sw community chest for packages not in the default install
[18:57] <dive> always worth checking there first
[18:57] <BP{k}> lontra: I think in general it should build on 13.0. depends if you are running 32/64bits
[18:58] <lontra> dive, do you know how soon after a release that slackbuild scripts are updated?
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[18:58] <lontra> BP{k}, 64bits
[18:58] <NthDegree> A drive just screamed in my ear
[18:58] <NthDegree> one dead 20GB hard disk
[18:59] <dive> lontra, it really comes down to the maintainer to update when possible. If you really want to see an update best to email the maintainer
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[19:00] <BP{k}> lontra: you might need to specificy LIBDIRSUFFIX=64 and --libdir=/usr/lib${LIBDIRSUFFIX} \ to make it work
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[19:02] <lontra> nice R already built :)
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[19:05] <slak> why dont POSIX, ISO and IEEE just abolish 32bit software?
[19:06] <slak> it'd be much useful for the us of 2^64bits of RAM for instance.
[19:06] <ccfreak2k> Because 32-bit software has been entrenched over the years.
[19:07] <dive> and what about us that still use 32bit computers?
[19:07] <BP{k}> slak: because 32bit hardware hasn't been abolished?
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[19:08] <slak> oh please its been while since 64bits cpu's been around
[19:08] <dive> and??
[19:08] <rg31> the atom cpu is 32 bits, so is my cpu from the year 2005
[19:09] <NthDegree> 32-bit is being abolished in the OS X after Snow Leopard
[19:10] <NthDegree> and "Windows 8" won't have a 32-bit version
[19:10] <eviljames> this was a silly debate to walk in to.
[19:10] <NthDegree> it will however, still run 32-bit apps
[19:10] <eviljames> NthDegree: let's go back to discussing mandatory education, it was much better :P
[19:10] <gabriel> are BitchX in -current?
[19:10] <thrice`> nope
[19:10] <thrice`> it got axed
[19:10] <eviljames> gabriel: BitchX is deprecated.  Use irssi
[19:10] <dive> gabriel, no botchx is out
[19:11] <NthDegree> eviljames, i'm trying to throw out a 32-bit machine at the moment, so i'm biased :P
[19:11] <NthDegree> and the 20GB hard disk died, so it's getting 6GB instead
[19:11] <dive> and yes I almost ^H that but thought better of it ;-)
[19:11] <NthDegree> and since I never dump stuff it's going to a friend
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[19:13] <eviljames> urgh, 'natural medicine' people are scary.
[19:13] <zaltekk> i'm already addicted to screen(1)
[19:13] <eviljames> A direct quote: "No doctor should ever be recommending someone get vaccines.. more people die from being vaccinated than the actual diseases themselves!"
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[19:13] <gabriel> nice
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[19:14] <fire|bird> gabriel, you on irssi now?
[19:14] <gabriel> fire|bird: yes
[19:14] <fire|bird> \o/
[19:14] <gabriel> :P
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[19:15] <dive> I spot clones
[19:15] <fire|bird> dive, orly?
[19:16] <dive> ya rly
[19:16] <fire|bird> Hmm, wonder who the clones could be.
[19:16] <dive> hmmm yes, I wonder ;p
[19:16] <fire|bird> :D
[19:16] <fire|bird> and for my next trick. :P
[19:17] <fire|bird> I'll turn eviljames into a rabbit.
[19:17] <dive> ping!
[19:17] Nick change: eviljames -> rabbit
[19:17] <rabbit> :O
[19:18] <dive> wow magic _realy_ works
[19:18] <fire|bird> haha
[19:18] <fire|bird> dive, see, I told ya. :)
[19:18] <rabbit> oh no... I feel...
[19:18] <rabbit> the transformation is wearing off
[19:18] Nick change: rabbit -> evilrabbit
[19:18] <dive> oh that could be worse
[19:18] <evilrabbit> ohshit, now what?!
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[19:18] <fire|bird> yup, that's a downfall, I haven't got the spell to last very long.
[19:18] <evilrabbit> fire|bird: You told me this was foolproof!
[19:18] <fire|bird> haha
[19:19] <fire|bird> evilrabbit, you really believe what a bird tells you? :P
[19:19] <Pig_Pen> especially a bird that is on fire
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[19:19] Nick change: evilrabbit -> eviljames
[19:19] <fire|bird> lol
[19:19] <eviljames> I like phoenixes.. phoenii?
[19:19] <fire|bird> phoenixes are awesome
[19:20] <fire|bird> I wish the nick phoenix wasn't registered.
[19:20] <Pig_Pen> i like that phoenix bird on Billy & Mandy's Grim Adventure
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[19:21] <dive> damn I should have shown missyjane this yoga chart when she was talking about exercise: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/yoga_venajaksi.jpg
[19:22] <dive> that's the only exercise I get lol
[19:22] <fire|bird> dive, hahaha
[19:22] <agentc0re|work> foo|proof?  new NICK fore fire|bird!
[19:22] <fire|bird> lol
[19:22] <fire|bird> I liked my phoenix|storm one. :P
[19:22] <fire|bird> and frame|buffer is a good one.
[19:22] <edman007> how about ice|rat?
[19:22] <agentc0re|work> why'd you change back then?
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[19:23] Action: dive hides
[19:23] <fire|bird> agentc0re|work, I don't quite know. :/
[19:23] <fire|bird> dive, come out, come out, wherever  you are.
[19:23] Action: agentc0re|work thinks it has something to do with dive
[19:23] <dive> I said I liked it better as fire|bird :P
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[19:23] <eviljames> What about toilet|paper or butt|fluff ?
[19:23] Action: fire|bird slap dive  with the Win2k Buglist.
[19:23] <dive> frame|buffer is deprecated
[19:23] <edman007> butt|fluff, i like that one
[19:23] <fire|bird> hey nachox
[19:23] <fire|bird> eviljames, lol
[19:23] <dive> fired|butter
[19:24] <dive> fried|butter
[19:24] <nachox> evening guys
[19:24] <dive> evening
[19:24] <fire|bird> nachox, how are you?
[19:24] <agentc0re|work> sup nachox!
[19:24] Action: edman007 wonders how you fry butter
[19:24] Action: edman007 waves
[19:24] <agentc0re|work> nachox: we're trying to help fire|bird with a better nick.
[19:24] <fire|bird> edman007, put it in a pan and turn the stove on.
[19:24] <dive> in a frying pan silly!
[19:24] <agentc0re|work> nachox: any suggestions? ;)
[19:24] <nachox> what's wrong with his current nickname?
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[19:24] <eviljames> edman007: I'm a fan of butt|fluff too.
[19:24] <agentc0re|work> nachox: he keeps changing them...
[19:24] <BP{k}> divulging|fledgling ?
[19:24] <nachox> i should say that nicknames are a very personal thing
[19:24] <agentc0re|work> ass|hat?
[19:24] <fire|bird> BP{k}, hahaha
[19:25] <edman007> dive, fire|bird but if you do that it melts and you can't take it out and eat it after frying
[19:25] <agentc0re|work> you know like, black hat or white hat..?
[19:25] <fire|bird> edman007, not eat, but drink. :P
[19:25] <dive> edman007, let it cool off
[19:25] <BP{k}> edman007: freeze it first, dip it in batter .. fry it real quickly ?
[19:25] <dive> and add some pancake mix
[19:25] <edman007> BP{k}, i was thinking of that...i doubt that would work...it melts too quickly
[19:26] <BP{k}> edman007: yeah :\
[19:26] <edman007> you could probably fry it in water though
[19:26] <fire|bird> nachox, I've been changing nicks alot lately, I own the top spot for most nick changes in slackware stats. :P
[19:26] <eviljames> agentc0re|work: If that's available, I'm changing my nick right now.
[19:26] Nick change: eviljames -> ass|hate
[19:26] <ass|hate> err
[19:26] Nick change: ass|hate -> ass|hat
[19:26] <agentc0re|work> LOL
[19:26] <ass|hat> yes!
[19:26] <agentc0re|work> hahaha
[19:26] <fire|bird> hahahaha
[19:26] <agentc0re|work> score!
[19:26] <edman007> ass|hat
[19:26] Action: edman007 just needed to say that
[19:26] Nick change: dive -> fudge|butter
[19:26] <nachox> fire|bird, in other time here, you'd have owned the record of most kicked user :P
[19:26] <agentc0re|work> LMAO!!
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[19:26] <fire|bird> ass|hat, fwiw, that isn't registered
[19:26] <ass|hat> It's gonna be.
[19:27] <edman007> hahaha
[19:27] <ass|hat> how do I add a 2nd nick?
[19:27] <fudge|butter> /nick butt|fudger?
[19:27] <edman007> msg nickserv
[19:27] <agentc0re|work> I'm gonna beat you too it.
[19:27] <ass|hat> hell yea!
[19:27] <fire|bird> ass|hat, just use /msg nickserv group
[19:27] Action: ass|hat already did
[19:27] <agentc0re|work> ass|hat: done, i just registered it.
[19:27] <ass|hat> agentc0re|work: No, yo udidn't.
[19:27] <ass|hat> 17:23 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Nick ass|hat is now registered to your
[19:27] <agentc0re|work> :P
[19:27] <ass|hat> Because I very certainly did.
[19:28] <edman007> --- [ass|hat] (n=james@96.49.81.107) : eviljames
[19:28] <edman007> :(
[19:28] <agentc0re|work> no all you need is the unaffiliated mask
[19:28] <agentc0re|work> s/no/now
[19:28] <ass|hat> Though, ass|hate might have been better...
[19:29] <fire|bird> nachox, yeah, that wouldn't be good, thus trying to find one and stick with it. I did have phoenix|storm and also frame|buffer. How'd you choose your nick?
[19:29] <edman007> no, ass|hat is better
[19:29] Nick change: edman007 -> ass^hat
[19:29] <macavity> lol
[19:29] <ass^hat> at least i have a hat
[19:29] <ass|hat> hahaha that'll confuse people.
[19:29] <Pig_Pen> asshat linux? is that a new distro?
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[19:30] <agentc0re|work> Pig_Pen: It's the new Ubuntu
[19:30] <ass|hat> Can we have more ass[punctuation]hat in here plz?
[19:30] <nachox> fire|bird, i have only 2, darkjoker and nachox, i dont know why i picked them, i just did
[19:30] <agentc0re|work> it's what you get when you mix Ubuntu with Red Hat....
[19:30] <macavity> i am looking to get the kid an Asus G50Vt (serious gaming laptop), and i looked up the download section.. and it has 3 items listed under "source code"
[19:30] Nick change: fudge|butter -> ass
[19:30] <ass> hmm oops
[19:30] <agentc0re|work> LOL
[19:30] <Pig_Pen> guarenteed to give you nightmares and diahrea
[19:31] Nick change: ass^hat -> edman007
[19:31] <ass> it didn't like «
[19:31] Nick change: ass -> Guest42616
[19:31] <fire|bird> lol
[19:31] <macavity> ExpressGate SourceCode part 1, 2 and 3
[19:31] <Guest42616> wtf
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[19:31] <edman007> Guest42616, pwnt
[19:31] <edman007> Guest42616, it was registered
[19:31] Nick change: Guest42616 -> ass|nicksrv
[19:31] <fire|bird> haha
[19:31] <macavity> ...... of sizes 340MB, 439MB and 494MB
[19:31] <chopp> nachox: I don't think I've seen you use darkjoker ina long long time. :P
[19:32] <macavity> what kind of source code is THAT?!?
[19:32] <thrice`> macavity: fix your xorg?
[19:32] <macavity> thrice`: no, not yet
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[19:32] Nick change: ass|nicksrv -> dive
[19:32] <BP{k}> macavity: extremly bad written one? ;~)
[19:33] <fire|bird> BP{k}, lol, that random name generator: codewords|trousers
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[19:33] <nachox> chopp, oh, i use it for my mail, sometimes here, but yes it's been a while since i used it
[19:33] <macavity> BP{k}: it is in .rar and i will bet you a six pack that you need MS Visual Studio to compile it :P
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[19:34] <fire|bird> lol, ford|wizard
[19:35] <macavity> fool|wizard would have been better :P
[19:35] <fire|bird> haha
[19:35] <dive> cat|weasle
[19:35] <macavity> fool||wizard :P
[19:35] <fire|bird> dark|matter
[19:35] <dive> mind|over|matter
[19:35] <dive> I don't mind and you don't matter
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[19:36] <macavity> ah, you broke it.. the |s were all lined up
[19:38] <thrice`> :(
[19:38] <ass|hat> way to break it.  jerk.
[19:38] <dive> ...
[19:38] <fire|bird> :(
[19:38] <dive> :(
[19:38] <ass|hat> :(
[19:38] <thrice`> macavity: fwiw, my glxgears now work correctly :>
[19:39] <fire|bird> thrice`, AHH, you broke the frowny chain. :(
[19:39] <dive> thrice`, looks what you did
[19:39] <thrice`> (II) intel(0): direct rendering: DRI2 Enabled   :D
[19:39] <dive> teabreak
[19:40] <agentc0re|work> WHITE WHALE, HOLY GRAIL!!
[19:40] Action: agentc0re|work stabs thrice`
[19:40] <dive> http://xkcd.com/612/
[19:40] <nachox> thrice`, congrats :P
[19:41] <fire|bird> data|authority
[19:41] <Pig_Pen> dive: that looks about right
[19:42] <ass|hat> appropriate: http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1448
[19:43] <fire|bird> lol, I love this line from that: nachox: what the hell is wrong with you?
[19:43] <Pig_Pen> you ever read the texts from textsfromlastnight ? NSFW
[19:44] <ass|hat> hahaha Pig_Pen I'm sure I wrote a bunch of those.  I've certainly received a few :P
[19:44] <Pig_Pen> there are some funny ones
[19:44] <nachox> fire|bird, where?
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[19:44] <agentc0re|work> LOL
[19:44] <fire|bird> nachox, that line? from the link ass|hat posted
[19:44] <agentc0re|work> that's great.
[19:44] <Pig_Pen> textsfromlastnight.com
[19:44] <nachox> i'm sure whoever got that, deserved it
[19:46] <ass|hat> Pig_Pen: best one: "I am so fucking pissed, there are no Shamwows in the As Seen on TV Store." "Looks like you'll have to stick to jizzing in socks."
[19:46] <Pig_Pen> yeah
[19:46] <Pig_Pen> She was so drunk that I kept trying to switch out her wine for water. Sort of like Jesus, but in reverse.
[19:46] <ass|hat> hahaha that too
[19:46] Nick change: ass|hat -> eviljames
[19:46] <eviljames> ok, now I feel like myself again
[19:46] <fire|bird> hahaha, the nick generation script: canyon|boners
[19:47] <eviljames> I think it's time for me to go home.  WOrk has officially driven me crazy.
[19:47] <eviljames> fire|bird: bahahahahhahahaha awesome.
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[19:47] <fire|bird> what a word combo that turned out to be. :P
[19:48] <thrice`> macavity: interresting in trying mesa 7.5 ? :)
[19:48] <macavity> thrice`: oh yeah :-)
[19:49] <macavity> any RAID experts in the house?
[19:49] <thrice`> are you on 64-bit?
[19:49] <macavity> nope
[19:50] <macavity> for a windows gaming rig, would a RAID0 C:\ be a good idea?
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[19:50] <thrice`> oh, nevermind then
[19:50] <dive> macavity, if it's ust for gaming, do you really need raid?
[19:51] <macavity> dive: RAID0 is *supposedly* faster for read speeds
[19:51] <nachox> raid0 is usually a bad idea, 1 dead disk means the other is useless
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[19:51] <gtl> back
[19:51] <eviljames> nachox: That's what I say the 0 in RAID0 stands for: How much data you'll recover if a disk dies.
[19:51] <macavity> .. and afaik that is what matters if you want your huge ass Garys Mod to load your 20GB extentions (yes, the kid does that)
[19:51] <dive> macavity, yeah but that's for map loading times or whatever, it won't help the gameplay once it's loaded
[19:51] <macavity> nachox: screw data security.. speed is of the essense
[19:52] <dive> mind you 20GB is a bit extreme
[19:52] <macavity> he downloads everything and its grandmother for gmod
[19:53] <macavity> last time i re-did his computer he was up to 20 minutes loadtimes when he started the game
[19:53] <macavity> .. on a 3.2GHz Prescott
[19:53] <thrice`> macavity: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/FB08ZO83.html  WFM
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[19:53] <thrice`> well, s/lib64/lib/
[19:54] <nachox> macavity, unless you will be writing very small chunks of data, get a 3rd disk and use raid5
[19:54] <macavity> nachox: that is kinda hard on a laptop
[19:54] <agentc0re|work> (571): he quoted cool runnings while we were having sex: feel the rythm,feel the rhyme, get on up, its bobsled time
[19:54] <agentc0re|work> LMAO
[19:54] <nachox> bah, you always bring me problems and no solutions macavity :P
[19:55] <macavity> nachox: ;-)
[19:55] <macavity> nachox: Asus G50Vt
[19:55] <macavity> thrice`: nice.. but is that "patch to build into /usr" still needed?!?
[19:56] <thrice`> no, it's commented out ;)
[19:56] <macavity> >_<
[19:56] Action: macavity fills the coffee mug again
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[20:00] <macavity> thrice`: thx :-)
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[20:00] <thrice`> sure; curious to see how (if?) it works ;)
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[20:14] <gtl> guys, help! I can get no sound out of this lappy...
[20:15] <zaltekk> gtl: did you check the levels in alsamixer?
[20:15] <gtl> yup
[20:15] <zaltekk> is there a driver for your card loaded?
[20:15] <gtl> alsaconf says it is
[20:16] <thrice`> are you sure it's not muted ?
[20:16] <Fenix> i found that one the the best investments on a linux box is to buy a creative labs audigy 2 zs sound card, or emu10k1 based sound card
[20:16] <gtl> thrice`, yes, I'm sure it's not muted
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[20:18] <gtl> i tried to play a video and everything jammed!
[20:18] <gtl> had to finger-boot
[20:18] <thrice`> sounds kinky
[20:19] <gtl> haha
[20:19] <edman007> thrice`, well your not the one on the receiving end
[20:20] <lontra> hi i am confused about my audio ... alsamixer shows that my audio card was detected but there is no sound coming out of amarok
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[20:20] <tacocat> Will Slackware 13 come with KDE 4 as default DE as opposed to 3.5 in earlier versions of Slackware?
[20:20] <lontra> is that i accidently ran alsamixer as root first? b/c when i run alsamixer as a regular user it says "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory"
[20:21] <lontra> tacocat, yes
[20:21] <tacocat> lontra: ok thanks
[20:22] <illuz1oN> Night guys...
[20:22] <BP{k}> tacocat: it will come with 4.2.4 as it stands now.
[20:22] <gtl> g'night illuz1oN
[20:23] <tacocat> BP{k}: Out of curiosity; if it shows that 4.3 is very good, do you think there will be an updated slackpkg when that time comes?
[20:24] <thrice`> tacocat: it won't for a bit, since it will require packagekit, which is not yet in slackware
[20:24] <BP{k}> tacocat: you mean after 13.0 is released I would seriously doubt it. Pat only releases stuff to the stable tree when it's a security update really. and ^^^ what thrice` sais.
[20:25] <fire|bird> thrice`, you mean policykit?
[20:25] <thrice`> oops, yes
[20:25] <fire|bird> :)
[20:25] <thrice`> was just typing that :)
[20:26] <NthDegree> I hope KDE 4.x stays away for another few releases
[20:27] <thrice`> it will be in 13 for sure
[20:27] <NthDegree> 4.3 still hogs CPU and RAM compared with 3.x
[20:27] <gtl> NthDegree, actually it's been pretty low on resources here
[20:28] <NthDegree> gtl, plasma frequently takes 10% CPU on my PC when I throttle down to 1Ghz
[20:28] <NthDegree> while kwin on 3.x gets 3-4% every now and then
[20:29] <gtl> I don't even see plasma on top here
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[20:29] <NthDegree> hmmm.. maybe it's a side-effect of NVIDIA's drivers then
[20:30] <zaltekk> plasma as in the thing in kde4?
[20:30] <zaltekk> "plasma desktop"
[20:30] <fire|bird> zaltekk, yeah
[20:31] <lontra> so does anyone know if i need to delete a file and then rerun alsamixer as a regular user if ican't open it because i accidenntly ran it as a root
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[20:31] <zaltekk> lontra: why would you delete it instead of changing the permissions?
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[20:32] <gtl> bizarre!
[20:32] <gtl> had to finger-boot again
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[20:36] <lontra> zaltekk, ok how can i change permissions?
[20:36] <thumbs> man chmod?
[20:36] <lontra> zaltekk, i'll do what ever is right
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[20:36] <thumbs> lontra: are you part of the audio group?
[20:36] <dive> lontra, if you get open_ctl failed, no such device its a problem with your sound driver
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[20:37] <lontra> thumbs, i'm not in the audio group
[20:37] <dive> permissions won't help (and anyway changed the permission of what??)
[20:37] <lontra> dive, as root i see my device and levels
[20:37] <thumbs> you should be.
[20:37] <dive> lontra, gpasswd -a audio <user>
[20:38] <lontra> groups showed me as member of users and netdev only
[20:38] <dive> eek
[20:38] <thumbs> you should be part of a few more groups.
[20:38] <zaltekk> wheel floppy audio video cdrom plugdev users
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[20:38] <thumbs> plugdev is an important one.
[20:39] <lontra> ok ... then do i need to restart X?
[20:39] <thumbs> you need to log out, and log back in.
[20:39] <lontra> ok
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[20:39] <thumbs> lontra: before you do that, you need to add yourself to all those groups
[20:39] <zaltekk> i believe you can just press the up arrow when you are asked for the users groups and it will add all of those(well, of course not "users" or "wheel")
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[20:39] <dive> ...
[20:40] <thumbs> wheel is not required, sorry
[20:40] <dive> users is the initial group. You get added to that auto
[20:40] <thumbs> he already logged out.
[20:40] <dive> and he probably wants power too
[20:40] <zaltekk> well, you get added to it if you don't pick something else
[20:41] <dive> you should get added to users anyway, whatever else you pick
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[20:41] <lontra> thanks adding the groups worked
[20:41] <thumbs> lontra: great
[20:41] <thumbs> lontra: what groups are you part of now?
[20:41] <dive> lontra, you will also want to be in power group
[20:41] <lontra> users wheel floppy audio video cdrom plugdev netdev
[20:41] <dive> add power
[20:42] <zaltekk> lontra: you might want to remove wheel unless you need it
[20:42] <thumbs> lontra: you don't need wheel, actually.
[20:42] <dive> then you can shutdown an reboot as user
[20:42] <thumbs> lontra: but it's better than before.
[20:42] <lontra> ok
[20:42] <gtl> hmmm
[20:42] <lontra> will 'power' let me suspend to?
[20:42] <dive> probably
[20:42] <thumbs> yes.
[20:42] <lontra> ok thanks i'll try that
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[20:44] <thumbs> lontra: so you learned something new today!
[20:45] <lontra> thumbs, lots of things and they're all be written down in a text file
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[20:46] <Necos> congrats :)
[20:46] <thumbs> lontra: keep going mate.
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[20:47] <gtl> something's really weird here!
[20:47] <kejen> I knew it, dhcpcd 3.2.3 has a bug with renew. Where do we report bugs to slackware?
[20:47] <antiwire> kejen: can you describe it for us? I may have seen what you're talking about
[20:48] <antiwire> i have just been blaming it on my router though
[20:49] <kejen> The default lease is 12 hours. Once 12 hours is up, the connection dies. You see in the logs that dhcpcd tried to renew and received an IP. But it doesn't get binded to eth0
[20:49] <antiwire> hmm, interesting. That's different than what I was thinking about
[20:49] <gtl> any idea why my lappy hangs (and i've to fingerboot) whenever i try playing video?
[20:50] <thrice`> kejen: so, on my system, my connectoin should die after 12 hours?
[20:51] <zaltekk> kejen: are you running current or rc1?
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[20:52] <kejen> Thought current was rc1, but running current
[20:52] <kejen> Unless you changed the default lease time, but default is 12 hours
[20:52] <zaltekk> kejen: i wasn't trying to differentiate
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[20:53] <thrice`> kejen: where in the logs do you see it failing ?
[20:53] <zaltekk> just wondering because my dhcpcd is much older than that
[20:53] <kejen> the log shows success
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[20:54] <zaltekk> why would i lose my ls colors with screen?  i still have colors with irssi.
[20:55] <kejen> shows that it's renewing, gets offered an ip, and even claims to add it. But eth0 doesn't have an IP.
[20:55] <thrice`> kejen: *what* shows?
[20:55] <rworkman> Congrats. You're the only person experiencing that bug.
[20:56] <kejen> /var/log/messages
[20:56] <kejen> Jul 20 19:43:10 localhost dhcpcd[8841]: eth0: adding IP address 192.168.1.100/24
[20:56] <kejen> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=238731
[20:56] <kejen> they are talking about 3.2.3 and mention a renew bug
[20:57] <thrice`> Jul 19 21:59:33 thinkpad dhcpcd[3076]: wlan0: adding IP address 192.168.1.66/24
[20:58] <kejen> maybe changing the default least to 24 hours to match my router would be a workaround?
[20:58] <rworkman> kejen: well, if you'd like to dig around and find a diff that actually addresses that issue, send it to me and I'll try for including it
[20:58] <kejen> ok
[20:59] <rworkman> I just find it odd though -- I've never seen anyone else mention this -- although I'm not saying that you're making it up :)
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[21:01] <gtl> err... guys, still no sound here.... help? =)
[21:01] <nachox> hey rworkman
[21:01] <rworkman> nachox: ola
[21:01] <nachox> happy friend's day
[21:02] <antiwire> I don't think I would have seen that bug. All of my systems are either static or reboot before 12 hrs hits
[21:02] <antiwire> In fact, my LAN doesn't experience that issue
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[21:07] <rworkman> nachox: happy day to you as well.  I didn't know it was a holiday, but I'll drink for it anyway.
[21:08] <nachox> rworkman, it's not, it's just a regular day, that someone in argentina decided to call friend's day and it stuck, so we celebrate that on july 20th every year
[21:08] <Pig_Pen> http://imagebin.org/56608  lol funniest obama photo yet!
[21:09] <Pig_Pen> 4chan should like that one
[21:10] <zaltekk> can anyone tell me why my ls colors don't work in screen?  irssi's colors work fine.
[21:10] <zaltekk> and the ls colors work fine without screen
[21:10] <zaltekk> i'm using all defaults in .screenrc except for setting a password
[21:10] <nachox> zaltekk, what's the value of TERM? echo $TERM inside screen
[21:11] <zaltekk> screen
[21:11] <zaltekk> outside of screen it is xterm
[21:11] <rworkman> nachox: oh, cool.  Thanks :)
[21:12] <nachox> inside screen try TERM=xterm-color ls --color
[21:12] <zaltekk> ah, ls --color works
[21:13] <zaltekk> so...why is ls not using color without the arguement just because i am in screen?
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[21:15] <nachox> write alias outside and inside a screen
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[21:15] <zaltekk> alias doesn't have output in screen
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[21:16] <zaltekk> normally I have ls='/bin/ls $LS_OPTIONS'
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[21:16] <zaltekk> so the alias doesn't exist
[21:16] <nachox> there you go, that's why
[21:16] <zaltekk> is this because of a login script maybe?
[21:16] <BP{k}> zaltekk: you should read bash(1) and mainly the section on INVOCATION.
[21:17] <zaltekk> that isn't run and therefore i don't have the aliases?
[21:17] <zaltekk> BP{k}: okay
[21:17] <BP{k}> (or rather that section holds the clue to why)
[21:19] <zaltekk> BP{k}: so telling screen to create a login shell would work?
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[21:20] <BP{k}> zaltekk: if you can get screen to do that, then yes. if not, there are some other works around for that :)
[21:20] <zaltekk> BP{k}: i remember the man page having an option. i'll look it up
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[21:27] <zaltekk> BP{k}: okay...using a login shell doesn't work
[21:27] <zaltekk> i still don't have an aliases
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[21:30] <dtanner> # /etc/profile: This file contains system-wide defaults used by
[21:30] <dtanner> # all Bourne (and related) shells.
[21:30] <zaltekk> cat /etc/profile | grep alias
[21:30] <zaltekk> has no output...
[21:31] <dtanner> it should use that unless it finds what you need in ~/.DOTF+FILES specified in the man page that BP{k} pointed out.
[21:31] <zaltekk> and i don't have a bash profile in ~
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[21:32] <dtanner> for profile_script in /etc/profile.d/*.sh
[21:32] <dtanner> blah blah in /etc/profile
[21:32] <dtanner> you need to read my man
[21:33] <zaltekk> why would those only be ignored when running screen?
[21:33] <BP{k}> zaltekk: since screen doesn't spawn a login shell?
[21:33] <zaltekk> BP{k}: i told it to
[21:34] <digit> hm, anyone here get the middle button working with linux for the ibm trackpoint?
[21:34] <zaltekk> actually, if i just type "bash" i lose the aliases
[21:34] <BP{k}> zaltekk: I think screen doesn't really listen to what you tell it to do. Neither Dominian nor me, ever could get it to work.
[21:34] <Pig_Pen> soo... it would be a bad idea to add screen to load at boottime like adding screen to rc.local
[21:35] <zaltekk> what executes the scripts in /etc/profile.d?
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[21:35] <dtanner> look you will see and be amazed! because you are a slacker.
[21:35] <BP{k}> zaltekk: vim /etc/profile
[21:35] <Pig_Pen> if you look at /etc/profile you will see some scripts that have the #!/bin/sh will read those config files in /etc/profile.d when run
[21:36] <zaltekk> so the problem is just screen then?
[21:36] <Pig_Pen> at least thats my take on it
[21:36] <zaltekk> since it won't spawn the login shell?
[21:37] <Pig_Pen> if you want screen to load automatically after you log in you can make a ~/.bash_profile and add the screen command to that
[21:37] <rworkman> Here's a bigass hint.  echo 'export foo=bar' >> $HOME/.bashrc   Then run screen, then do "echo $foo"
[21:37] <CmdLnKid> lol
[21:38] <Pig_Pen> ~/.bashrc is better rworkman?
[21:38] <rworkman> Now, go back *really* read the bash(1) man page that BP{k} suggested (the INVOCATION section) an dthat should become clearer.
[21:38] <CmdLnKid> Pig_Pen, you ever read the bash manual ?
[21:38] <rworkman> Pig_Pen: I think that's a different goal
[21:38] <CmdLnKid> specificly how it operates on those files and why ?
[21:38] <BP{k}> and read it again, bang your head on the desk a couple of times, read it again, until enlightment sets in and grok it.
[21:39] <Pig_Pen> not lately, i dont have a photographic memory so i forget a lot of things i read
[21:39] <CmdLnKid> its pretty close to the top of the manual so thats why I ask how you missed it
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[21:40] <CmdLnKid> If you are doing some scripting its pretty wise to read how the shell works in order to implement a good script and one that you will well understand
[21:40] <Pig_Pen> i know there is a .bashrc and a .bash_profile and one gets loaded everytime a terminal is executed and the other only gets loaded once per login
[21:40] <CmdLnKid> especially when making use of /etc/profile etc...
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[21:41] <rworkman> That's the basic idea.  I use ksh, but the principles are the same.  Even better, bash will use the same files for the most part, so I can maintain one copy.
[21:41] <gtl> hey dtanner, long time no see =)
[21:41] <gabriel> personally.. echo "source /etc/profile" >> ~/.bashrc
[21:41] <dtanner> hey gtl
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[21:42] <gtl> how is rev L coming up?
[21:42] <dtanner> i cheat ... /home/dtanner/.bashrc -> ./.bash_profile
[21:42] <rworkman> $HOME/.profile here contains a "do this once a login" thing, and then sets ENV="$HOME/.kshrc" and BASH_ENV="$HOME/.bashrc"
[21:43] <dtanner> then i put anything i want for that user i put it all in .bash_profile
[21:43] <rworkman> I have a $HOME/.shrc that contains everything else, and then both .kshrc and .bashrc are symlinks to .shrc
[21:43] <dtanner> rworkman: =)
[21:44] <dtanner> it's coming gtl...
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[21:44] <gtl> dtanner, i wasn't able to help you out the other day, sorry ´bout that
[21:44] <dtanner> np
[21:44] <thrice`>  .ksh?  the horror
[21:46] <dtanner> i was going to tell you to put all the config files back to default and after you login as regular user via gdm then su to root in a term of course and kill console-kit-dameon and restart it then test accessing yoru devices.
[21:46] <CmdLnKid> I thrive on ksh93
[21:46] <thrice`> so does rworkman, I fear
[21:46] <CmdLnKid> its almost a administrators dream for a shell
[21:46] <dtanner> gtl: that was for you.
[21:47] <CmdLnKid> little big though I do admit
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[21:48] <Pig_Pen> tcsh/csh?
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[21:49] <CmdLnKid> might as well forget those exist
[21:49] <CmdLnKid> study those only in your free time
[21:49] <CmdLnKid> when you want amusement
[21:49] <Pig_Pen> optimizing and tweaking the shell is not my forte, but i manage to get things done when i need to use it :D
[21:50] <CmdLnKid> The knowledge of those will help you out when you come accroess some bullshit scripting and need to work your way out of it.
[21:52] <CmdLnKid> the most optimized shell you could have is one thats setup to work in its most minimal state with the most default of all options set. This provides stabilty to userland.
[21:52] <rworkman> tcsh/csh?? /me vomits.
[21:52] <Pig_Pen> someone was in here the other day and he wanted to build several packages with one slackbuild? i would guess if you have the source packages and their slackbuilds you could write a simple script that would run them one after the other sort of like a daisy chain
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[21:53] <rworkman> Like the kde tree?
[21:53] <dtanner> Pig_Pen: that would be reasonable.
[21:53] <Pig_Pen> yeah
[21:53] <rworkman> or better, xorg
[21:53] <CmdLnKid> very easily done
[21:54] Action: dtanner puffs on his cigar
[21:55] <nachox> CmdLnKid, bash is larger i think, zsh is more customizable with some really cool comand completion stuff
[21:55] Action: CmdLnKid goes to hit the cig
[21:55] <gabriel> updates in -current has been stoped, maybe waiting for the release of kde4.3 at 27th?
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[21:56] <Dominian> I wouldn't say they've stopped
[21:56] <Dominian> and I doubt 4.3 will make it to the release
[21:56] <gabriel> in testing maybe
[21:56] <rworkman> gabriel: 4.3 will not be in 13.0
[21:56] <Dominian> It'll more than likely make it into the next -current
[21:56] <gabriel> i remember , by policykit
[21:56] <rworkman> and what makes you say that updates in -current have stopped?
[21:56] <gabriel> rworkman: in this days only, sorry :)
[21:57] <rworkman> and the policykit requirement probably isn't as big a deal as it was made out to be.  Testing with and without it has been promising. :)
[21:57] <thrice`> rworkman: console + device kit too?
[21:58] <kitche> hmm microsoft released drivers under GPL
[21:58] <antiwire> Is it bad form to setup ones email client to compose in html? Is plaintext a more acceptable universal option to use for email or does it matter?
[21:58] <ananke> antiwire : plaintext is more universal
[21:58] <thrice`> rworkman: further, anything that will yet allow me to remove hal ? :>
[21:58] <antiwire> ananke: thanks
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[21:59] <rworkman> thrice`: yeah.   The point though was that 4.3.0 can work fine without PK.  Re removing hal, no.
[21:59] <thrice`> :(
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[22:00] <Dominian> thrice`: removal of hal would mean a udev upgrade yes?
[22:00] <vinegaroon> won't policykit eventually be required one it is integrated into something like kde systemsettings?
[22:02] <rworkman> vinegaroon: theoretically yes.  I was under the impression that the integration was in 4.3.0, but it's not.
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[22:02] <thrice`> I thought kdm used it somehow
[22:02] <vinegaroon> yeah, it is one of the most hated bugs though. Hopefully in 4.4
[22:03] <rworkman> Even with PK, kdm *still* has no "Admin" button.
[22:03] <rworkman> The only thing PK added was the ability to build polkit-qt, which adds an otherwise worthless menu to configure PK authorizations.
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[22:04] <dtanner> rworkman: fyi: i put all the .conf files for hal, PK and  CK  back to our default and all devices are accesible. the one exception is runlevel 4 ( using gdm ). in runlevel 4 I have to restart console-kit-daemon then it recognizes devices and automounts and such.
[22:05] <rworkman> dtanner: I've seen a patch floating around that disables CK spawning from gdm; you guys didn't apply that, did you?
[22:05] <dtanner> hmm let me double check
[22:06] <nachox> PK and CK?
[22:06] <Dominian> AAMCO!
[22:06] <dtanner> policykit and consolekit
[22:06] <gtl> nachox, PolicyKit and ConsoleKit
[22:06] <dtanner> beep beep
[22:06] <nachox> ah, right
[22:08] <gtl> night all
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[22:12] <dtanner> later gtl
[22:12] <vinegaroon> one thing I'm looking forward to in KDE 4.3 is a native network widget with wicd support.
[22:12] <dtanner> rworkman: no we haven't aplied that particular patch.
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[22:13] <rworkman> dtanner: okay, well, no idea then :/
[22:13] <rworkman> vinegaroon: hrm, I forgot to look much at that :/
[22:14] <dtanner> rworkman: it may be in another part og the lde menu tree... look for the binary polkit-kde-authorization I assume because polkit-gnome-authorization is what I have for PK admin. it is under "system -> preferences -> authorizations" in the gnome menu per the .desktop file of course.
[22:15] <dtanner> s/lde/kde/
[22:15] <dtanner> time to eat ... later
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[22:19] <vinegaroon> rworkman: it could maybe be a reason for wicd to move from extra :)
[22:21] <thrice`> audacious2 seems to suck a little less than audacious1
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[22:23] <RipVanWinkle> has anyone used xmms2 ?
[22:23] <RipVanWinkle> and is gtk1 being put out to pasture ?
[22:24] <thrice`> hopefully!
[22:24] <thrice`> but, xmms2 is not a gtk2 version of xmms
[22:24] <RipVanWinkle> what?!!
[22:25] <thrice`> it's a server/client setup, kinda like mpd
[22:25] <RipVanWinkle> i never used xmms2 i only heard about it
[22:26] <thrice`> sorry to disappoint
[22:28] <RipVanWinkle> its not your fault, no need to say your sorry
[22:28] <thrice`> I know, I was being sarcastic :)
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[22:33] <eviljames> (II) intel(0): direct rendering: DRI2 Enabled
[22:33] <eviljames> That looks promising.
[22:33] <thrice`> \o/
[22:33] <eviljames> intel-2.7.99.902
[22:34] <thrice`> I bumped to mesa 7.5, which is supposed to have new gallium stuff, but I can't tell if it's working or not
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[22:35] <eviljames> ah, I'm on 7.4.4 atm, but I want my desktop effects back.
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[22:35] <thrice`> they aren't after you switched to UXA ? (dri2)
[22:35] <eviljames> nope.
[22:35] <vinegaroon> eviljames: did they stop working after the latest X updates in current?
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[22:36] <eviljames> vinegaroon: indeed, but I have to check for updates I think.
[22:36] <thrice`> have you downgraded pixman, as per the changelog? :)
[22:36] <vinegaroon> eviljames: try downgrading xorg-server back to 1.6.1, that's what did it for me
[22:36] <eviljames> vinegaroon: I know that would work, but I'd rather not regress if possible.
[22:36] <antiwire> My home server uses an 856G Intel chipset for on-board graphics and it hasn't worked under -current for a while now
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[22:37] <antiwire> not even using vesa drivers
[22:38] <antiwire> KDE just locks up before I even get to a desktop, at the loading screen with the KDE icons.
[22:38] <antiwire> I can ssh into the system and reboot it but it won't even let me change VTs
[22:38] <eviljames> what can I use to check for kms?
[22:39] <ccfreak2k> antiwire, that happens to me too.
[22:39] <thrice`> eviljames: switch to vt2
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[22:39] <eviljames> thrice`: k
[22:39] <thrice`> if it's instant, kms is on; if it's not, then kms is not on.  KMS will not be on unless you force it on
[22:40] <antiwire> thrice`: would forcing KMS fix problems or worsen them in most cases?
[22:40] <eviljames> It's not quite instant, but it seems faster than in the past.
[22:40] <thrice`> then KMS isn't on :)
[22:41] <thrice`> the 902 driver doesn't turn on KMS, it just enables UXA as the default accel method, where as anything before was still EXA
[22:41] <eviljames> well, perhaps pixman will change my luck with compositing
[22:41] <thrice`> that's probably the best place to start, indeed :)
[22:44] <ccfreak2k> There's a UXA?
[22:45] <eviljames> yup, apparently I'm using it.
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[22:48] <thrice`> http://www.rojtberg.net/67/exa-uxa-dri-gem-ttm/
[22:49] <thrice`> kind of explains why it's so f'ed up
[22:49] <eviljames> ok, attempting compositing (hoping no crash...)
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[22:49] <echelon> Motoko-chan: what're you doing here?
[22:50] <Motoko-chan> Hm?
[22:50] <echelon> oh, sorry
[22:51] <echelon> mistook you for someone else
[22:51] <Motoko-chan> No problem
[22:51] <echelon> you never go to #wrongplanet?
[22:51] <Motoko-chan> Nope
[22:51] <Motoko-chan> This looks like an interesting study: http://oswatershed.org/
[22:51] <thrice`> O.o
[22:51] <echelon> kk
[22:52] <echelon> what does % Obsolete mean?
[22:53] <LSD`> % of obsolete packages perhaps?
[22:53] <Motoko-chan> The percentage of packages being tracked aren't latest.
[22:53] <echelon> pfft
[22:54] <thrice`> tracking slack 12.2 is silly
[22:54] <echelon> they've never heard of -current?
[22:54] <eviljames> well, that was a ui_lockup++
[22:54] <LSD`> They're probably traking the latest stable release/branch of their given distros. Which makes sense.
[22:55] <eviljames> now attempting compositing with 2.7.99.902 and let's see if that goes better...
[22:55] <LSD`> "Avg Lag" I assume means the average time taken for new packages to enter a given distros tree? heh @ Gentoo in that case.
[22:56] <BP{k}> thrice`: notice on the right side for slackware: pkgtools 13.0 so I don't think they are actually tracking 12.2 :)
[22:57] <thrice`> BP{k}: that confused me too, as 95% of the apps certainly don't lag currently
[22:58] <LSD`> odd that there's powerpc packjages in the debian section. One would think i386 would be better to track for this sort oif thing...
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[23:00] <anondaemon> hey
[23:00] <anondaemon> i'm having another problem again v____v;
[23:01] <anondaemon> whenever i d/c from the internet
[23:01] <anondaemon> i can't reconnect until i restart the computer
[23:01] <anondaemon> i've tried running rc.inet1
[23:01] <anondaemon> and i've tried doing
[23:01] <anondaemon> rc.inet1 wlan_restart
[23:01] <anondaemon> wlan0*
[23:01] <phillipsm> anondaemon: can you ping anywhere on the network?
[23:01] <phillipsm> or google?
[23:02] <phillipsm> when you plug the cable back in?
[23:02] <BP{k}> anondaemon: that could have been one enter instead of half a screen of text. *LESS* enter, please.
[23:02] <anondaemon> i can't connect to the network period
[23:03] <anondaemon> ok i'm sorry
[23:03] <anondaemon> it times out while waiting for a DHCP server response when i try to connect manually
[23:03] <anondaemon> but on restart, it connects to the internet on its own
[23:05] <anondaemon> phillipsm, i don't use a cable
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[23:08] <antiwire> anondaemon: which wifi card is it?
[23:09] <anondaemon> are you the guy that ignored me yesterday?
[23:09] <anondaemon> if you are
[23:09] <antiwire> anondaemon: try doing this as root: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 stop && modprobe card_driver_here -r &&  /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 start && modprobe card_driver_here
[23:09] <anondaemon> then it's the same one in your Latitude D620 most likely
[23:09] <antiwire> oh great.
[23:09] <antiwire> anondaemon: the D620 can come with different cards....
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[23:10] <anondaemon> okie
[23:10] <antiwire> is it the intel 3945?
[23:10] <anondaemon> i would tell you if i knew T_T
[23:10] <antiwire> lspci will shwo you
[23:10] <anondaemon> tons of stuff came up
[23:11] <anondaemon> and i can't pastebin it
[23:11] <anondaemon> because i can't connect to the internet
[23:11] <antiwire> ...so look for the wireless entry
[23:11] <RipVanWinkle> will dd & p paste from vim to a web browser like links or lynx? never tried it myself yet
[23:11] <anondaemon> 3945ABG
[23:12] <antiwire> Then you can use this exactly as it is here:  /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 stop && modprobe iwl3945 -r &&  /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 start && sleep 5 && modprobe iwl3945
[23:12] <antiwire> that should get you reconnected without a reboot
[23:12] <macavity> good night folks :-)
[23:12] <antiwire> I think it is a firmware bug with the intel cards. many people see this happen
[23:12] <BP{k}> macavity: night.
[23:12] <fire|bird> night macavity
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[23:14] Action: jeev found the pci riser so another slackware box will be up and running by friday at the datacenter!!!!!!!!
[23:14] <anondaemon> how long should the last command take?
[23:14] <ananke> anondaemon : depends
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[23:15] <RipVanWinkle> nope, i think links and/or lynx should consider makeing that feature happen, copy & paste from vim to a website
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[23:16] <RipVanWinkle> i have tried copy & paste a little from the commandline with mixed results, sometimes it works but mostly not
[23:16] <anondaemon> ananke, on temperature and sunspots?
[23:16] <dive> elinks allows editing forms in external editor
[23:16] <antiwire> anondaemon: no, it depends on things that matter in this context...like wifi encryption and dhcp timings
[23:16] <anondaemon> should it take more than 2 minutes?
[23:17] <antiwire> anondaemon: maybe, but usually no
[23:17] <ananke> anondaemon : ohh, i thought you were talking about _the_ 'last' command, not 'last command'
[23:17] <antiwire> haha
[23:18] <anondaemon> =P
[23:18] <anondaemon> it stops at wlan0: link becomes ready
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[23:18] <antiwire> hit enter
[23:18] <antiwire> it might drop you back now
[23:18] <anondaemon> yea
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[23:20] <anondaemon> gah
[23:20] <anondaemon> i did dhcpcd wlan0 -H
[23:20] <anondaemon> and i'm connected now
[23:20] <anondaemon> tyvm
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[23:20] <antiwire> You're welcome
[23:20] <anondaemon> what did those commands do btw?
[23:21] <anondaemon> i get the feeling i should burn them into my brain
[23:21] <anondaemon> or right them in my notebook at least ;P
[23:21] <antiwire> anondaemon: they stopped networking, removed the wireless driver, started networking back up, waited 5 seconds and then loaded the wifi driver back in
[23:21] <RipVanWinkle> lynxs has that feature, i seen it in the preferences using the o key, i set it to vim and the dd p thing works :D
[23:21] <RipVanWinkle> lynx
[23:22] <anondaemon> so i have to do that everytime my connection drops, because i have an intel card?
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[23:22] <antiwire> anondaemon: When it locks and won't reassociate that is the only way I have found to get it to reassociate to the AP
[23:23] <anondaemon> so i can put that into a .sh file right?
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[23:23] <antiwire> sure
[23:23] <anondaemon> awesome, thanks again
[23:23] <antiwire> np
[23:23] <dive> anondaemon, you can make it into an alias to make it easier to type: 'alias reconnect='blabla''. Then put that in your .bashrc so it gets read whenever you log in
[23:23] <antiwire> well, not his
[23:24] <antiwire> if he is not root it won't work
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[23:24] <dive> yes I meant roots .bashrc
[23:24] <antiwire> k
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[23:28] <anondaemon> very nice, thank you for that alias thing, it worked out perfectly
[23:28] <dive> yw
[23:28] <anondaemon> and ty antiwire for the thing to put in the alias xD
[23:28] <anondaemon> oh wait, i'm still having that screen problem from yesterday
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[23:29] <anondaemon> what happens is, if i close the lid, then open it again, the screen will not turn back on
[23:29] <antiwire> anondaemon: That is most likely a video card driver specific issue. Your D620 uses Intel and mine uses nvidia so I won
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[23:29] <antiwire> I won't be much help there
[23:29] <anondaemon> =/
[23:30] <anondaemon> okie dokes
[23:30] <dive> so you didn't find anything in /proc that looks like it controls the screen/display?
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[23:31] <jeev> antiwire, the only victory when it comes to nvidia is an actual PCI-E video card
[23:31] <jeev> everything else is an abomination like redhat or centos
[23:32] <gabriel> a handler script in /etc/acpi control it, i think
[23:32] <antiwire> jeev: well this laptop has a decent setup
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[23:32] <antiwire> jeev: I got it with the mobile Quadro
[23:33] <antiwire> technically it is a pci-e card but you know...laptop
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[23:37] <dive> anondaemon, as root: cd /proc; find . -name video
[23:37] <dive> anondaemon, does it find anything?
[23:38] <anondaemon> ./acpi/video
[23:39] <RipVanWinkle> laters sleepytime
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[23:39] <dive> hmm
[23:39] <antiwire> I want to but in really quick with a couple questions. anondaemon, are you in X/KDE right now?
[23:39] <anondaemon> nope
[23:39] <antiwire> ok
[23:39] <anondaemon> should i be?
[23:39] <antiwire> and it still does the blanking issue, without X running?
[23:39] <anondaemon> yes
[23:39] <anondaemon> i don't typically have X running
[23:40] <anondaemon> but the issue is the same
[23:40] <anondaemon> whether it's running or not
[23:40] <anondaemon> when i flip the lid back up, the backlight doesn't even turn on
[23:40] <antiwire> ok
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[23:43] <antiwire> brb
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[23:49] <antiwire> anondaemon: ok, you might be needing to look into vbetool
[23:50] <jeev> antiwire
[23:50] <jeev> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D64yQTO1TBg
[23:50] <jeev> that girl is sooooooooooooooooooooo sexy
[23:51] <antiwire> i saw that guy at LAX one day
[23:51] <antiwire> in the Air Canada terminal
[23:51] <dive> anondaemon, which video card model do you have?
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[23:52] <antiwire> dive: I think an acpi script that tests for the lid switch state and then uses vbetool to set dpms modes will help him
[23:52] <jeev> no no no
[23:52] <jeev> the girl
[23:52] <jeev> why must you be so gay
[23:52] <antiwire> just saying, i saw that dude
[23:53] <dive> antiwire, maybe, I was also thinking about adding in support for the intelfb driver in the kernel, but that may be a bit much..
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[23:53] <antiwire> hmm
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[23:56] <anondaemon> sry i waas afk, and now i gtg, will be saving this convo
[23:56] <anondaemon> tyvm
[23:56] <phroggy> hey all, I've got a server that used to work fine, running Slackware 10.2, and it looks like everything is still working except hotplug pci is freezing.
[23:56] <anondaemon> cya guys and tyvm for your help
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[23:56] <phroggy> clearly this is a hardware problem of some kind; how can I troubleshoot to figure out more specifically what's causing it?
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