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[00:00] <agentc0re> BP{k}: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz7v1iHHqTU  This is a breakfast.
[00:00] <dartmouth> gyah
[00:00] <dartmouth> http://kde4.rlworkman.net/
[00:00] <dartmouth> :(
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[00:03] <P4C0> is there a way to make the linux console to power off my backlight? (lcd laptopt monitor?) i tried with setterm -powerdown 1 and setterm -powersave powerdown, screen goes blank but backlight remains on
[00:03] <BP{k}> dartmouth: how is that a problem?
[00:04] <dartmouth> BP{k}: the howto i was going to use was grabbing their packages off of there
[00:04] <BP{k}> dartmouth: well that is a pretty silly how to then. :)
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[00:05] <BP{k}> the packages where there *only* because it wasn't in slackware and for testing purposes only. besides that was KDE 4.1 or something. KDE4 has been in -current/testing for ages and now is in the main -current branch.
[00:06] <dartmouth> i was under the impression you couldn't use the -current packages until earlier tonight
[00:06] <BP{k}> you can use the -current packages just fine. As long as you are willing to upgrade to -current.
[00:06] <dartmouth> in any case, i am def doing something wrong because that is where i grabbed them and i can't get my amarok working
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[00:06] <phrag> hi guys! =)
[00:07] <dartmouth> hi phrag
[00:07] <BP{k}> dartmouth: if you grabbed the from kde4.rlworkman.net .. 1) you're at least several version of KDE behind. 2) they ain't there and they won't return.
[00:07] <dartmouth> BP{k}: /usr/lib/libkio.so.5 undefined symbol: (hash)
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[00:07] Action: P4C0 is upgrading to -current at the moment ;)
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[00:08] <phrag> have a little problem, not slack specific but thought i'd ask anyway... i have ktorrent trying to use libQtCore.so.4, however when i ldd ktorrent, i see it's not using the default one in /usr/lib/libQtSql.so.4, but another in /opt/nessus/lib
[00:08] <phrag> how can i point ktorrent to use the correct one... or think it's safe to just link the one in /opt/nessus/lib to the /usr/lib one ?
[00:09] <P4C0> phrag: check you /etc/ld.so.conf
[00:09] <phrag> ah, /opt/nessus//lib is listed, but not /usr/lib
[00:09] <dartmouth> BP{k}: am I just better off building kde4 from source then for my setup?
[00:09] <dartmouth> removing kde3 altogether first?
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[00:10] <phrag> safe to remove the /opt/nessus//lib and add /usr/lib ?
[00:10] <BP{k}> dartmouth: *shrugS* I have no clue what causes that, still running that old a KDE4 version. is .. well frankly not worth it.
[00:10] <P4C0> phrag: what's on /op/nessus/lib?
[00:10] <phrag> sorry, i don't know what you mean
[00:10] <jkwood> phrag... Holy heck!
[00:10] <BP{k}> agentc0re: speaking of scotch ... Laphroaig 10 year old single malt, here :D
[00:10] <phrag> jkwood: !! alright mate, very long time indeed =)
[00:10] <BP{k}> phrag: howdo!
[00:10] <phrag> BP{k}: hey bud, also awhile 8oD
[00:11] <jkwood> Why would nessus include libQtSql.so.4?
[00:11] <phrag> hope you guys are all well and happy
[00:11] <P4C0> phrag: well, if you take that line out of ld.so.conf then nessus may not work... but it shouldn't be there to start with...
[00:11] <BP{k}> phrag: see earlier comment re: single malt ;)
[00:11] <phrag> jkwood: the new propriatory client is QT based =/
[00:11] <jkwood> Oh, okay.
[00:11] <jkwood> Hmm...
[00:11] <phrag> P4C0: should i worry that /usr/lib isn't there? ktorrent is usingh every other lib from there
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[00:12] <P4C0> phrag: you can also preload the library before using the program... or point it to the library path
[00:12] <phrag> BP{k}: aha, good man =)
[00:12] <mshade> anybody feel like testing my first PHP app?
[00:12] <phrag> hmm, i'm going to just remove the nessus line... if the nessus client craps out i know why =)
[00:12] <P4C0> phrag: yes, just remember to run ldconfig after
[00:12] <agentc0re> BP{k}: I've never even heard of it.  Send me some to try :P
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[00:13] <jkwood> I guess you could move the lines around in /etc/ld.so.conf.
[00:13] <BP{k}> agentc0re: sure, just don't drink anything else until you receive it :P
[00:13] <agentc0re> Hahah.
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[00:14] <P4C0> phrag: you can use LD_PRELOAD to load the library before running the prog, or LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[00:14] <P4C0> phrag: so after running nessus you can export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/nessus/lib
[00:15] <P4C0> s/after/before
[00:15] <phrag> P4C0: i think that should fix that issue... ktorrent still isn't loading for some reason, which no errors, but that was puzzling me... thanks very much for the help, much appreciated 8o)
[00:15] <P4C0> phrag: no prob
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[00:17] <phrag> seeing as all the guys are here... i'm doing an OS hardening assignment, basically install a vuln OS, hack it, then secure it... i tried solaris 10 but it's being a pain, so would liek to choose a linux distro with perhaps a vuln version of proftpd or apache, anyone suggest one ? i was thinking debian 3 or something
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[00:18] <BP{k}> old version of slackware with wu-ftpd? ;)
[00:19] <phrag> hmm, that sounds interesting... i've been looking at some wu-ftpd exploits, and i know slack best of all
[00:19] <phrag> awesome, thanks BP{k}  =)
[00:19] <BP{k}> phrag: there is a good reason that it is in slackware-$VERSION/pasture/dontuse/ ;)
[00:20] <bijit> i have a vlan eth0.512 and my normal lan on eth0. my eth0.512 is doing dhcp. Can I ip route add 192.168.10.0/24 via 192.168.9.5 ?
[00:20] <phrag> everyone else in the class will be owning winxp, but i can get a root command shell on xp sp3 in less than a minute, far too boring =)
[00:20] <phrag> BP{k}: excellent 8o)
[00:20] <phrag> btw, solaris is a PITA =P
[00:20] <twolf> hehe
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[00:22] <phrag> BP{k}: i knew i should of mentioned it in here like 2 days ago and saved myself a lot of hassle =)
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[00:23] <phrag> my eyes have gone funny from pouring over milw0rm for too long =P
[00:23] <dive> phrag, I made a wiki entry about utf-9 consoles and keymaps
[00:23] <dive> http://slackwiki.org/Utf-8_linux_console
[00:24] <dive> if you're still looking for keymaps and such
[00:24] <dive> utf-8 even
[00:24] <phrag> ooh dive! i spoke to alienBOB about that issue and he agreed with mentioning it to pat... i'll let you do the honors though as it's your keymap =)
[00:26] <dive> it's not exactly mine - I found it on the net and added bits
[00:26] <phrag> well slack 12.1 uk.map didn't work on my ibm thinkpad, and yours worked a treat =)
[00:26] <dive> but I guess I could ask the guy who made it if he's ok with using it
[00:26] <phrag> i've not had any issues with it as of yet
[00:27] <phrag> perhaps some of the other british slackers could test it out too beforehand
[00:27] <dive> well I made a howto with a link to it on wiki
[00:27] <phrag> cool, i'll check that out
[00:27] <phrag> gg
[00:27] <dive> BP{k}, get your testing hat on
[00:29] <BP{k}> dive: negative, testing would be skewed by 2nd glass of laphroaig ;)
[00:29] <dive> ah
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[00:29] <dive> lucky you :P
[00:29] <BP{k}> indeed. =D
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[00:32] <MrAlexandro_> i have a problem with getting internet in slackware. i managed to fix it by config the rd.inet.conf file, but when i log in on a user i created i cannot get the internet to work
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[00:38] <MrAlexandro_> /load -rs C:\Program Files\mIRC\msn\msninstall.mrc
[00:40] <BP{k}> .......
[00:40] <BP{k}> *facedesk*
[00:41] <MrAlexandro_> BP{k} can you help me configure wlan?
[00:41] <phrag> lol bp
[00:41] <chopp> MrAlexandro_: first step away from the crack pipe, and then read: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network
[00:41] <dtanner> hello phrag BP{k}
[00:42] <P4C0> lol
[00:42] <MrAlexandro_> heh. there is a lot of crack here in florida
[00:42] <dtanner> heh
[00:42] <BP{k}> dtanner: gooodevening :)
[00:42] <phrag> hey dtanner =)
[00:42] <chopp> just say no
[00:42] <phrag> wow, all the old faces tonight =)
[00:42] <BP{k}> MrAlexandro_: there's a lot of urmom as well. That doesn't mean .... oh wait. :P
[00:43] <chopp> lol
[00:43] <dtanner> d=) <- like my hat on this ugly old mug ?
[00:44] <dtanner> guess not , well i can juggle too
[00:44] <BP{k}> MrAlexandro_: if you can get it to work by putting the settings in rc.inet1.conf .. it should work for you as a user.
[00:44] <dtanner> :P
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[00:45] <Taskatech> I just loaded slackware and need the command to load desktop @darkstar:?
[00:45] <MrAlexandro_> well i will restart this laptop with slackware on. then i will connect on my desktop to this channel. then we can see
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[00:46] <Taskatech> I can't find it in the Book anywhere
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[00:46] <BP{k}> Taskatech: http://slackbook.org - Chapter 6
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[00:48] <Taskatech> BP{k}: Got it, thanks
[00:48] <MrAlexandro> does the linux partition count as an primary partition. how many primary partitions can i have?
[00:48] <Taskatech> :-)
[00:48] Action: dtanner phrags phrag with a rocket launcher
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[00:48] <dtanner> MrAlexandro: 4 , jsut say no man !
[00:48] <acidchild> phrag: my face is not old!
[00:49] <acidchild> :> hi
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[01:00] <nullboy> \o/
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[01:00] <chopp> o/
[01:00] <nullboy> dood
[01:00] <chopp> sup
[01:00] <nullboy> it's fscking cold here
[01:01] <twolf> wheres that?
[01:01] <chopp> haha...not really. ;)
[01:01] <nullboy> edmonton
[01:01] <superGear> warm here
[01:01] <twolf> yeah probably colder than it is here
[01:01] <chopp> ohhhhhh...nullboy it was freaking summer today!
[01:01] <chopp> I was lovin it
[01:02] <superGear> Temperature: 48.5°F
[01:02] <twolf> its about 35F here right now
[01:02] <superGear> high was around 70F
[01:02] <nullboy> i left los angeles this morning and it was ~70F
[01:02] <superGear> suppose to be a bit warmer friday
[01:02] Action: superGear is in Denver
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[01:03] <chopp> nullboy: I can imagine the shock to the system, but be glad you weren't here a week ago.
[01:03] <twolf> I once got on a plane in KC, MO at -20F and got off the plane in Phoenix, AZ at 70F 2hrs later
[01:03] <superGear> we had like 2 minor snow storms this winter
[01:03] <nullboy> chopp: yeah that's what my family here said
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[01:04] <chopp> about 37 degrees colder it was
[01:04] <superGear> Colorado going to be on fire this summer i think
[01:04] <superGear> little snow this winter
[01:05] <superGear> 70s in Feb and march
[01:05] <chopp> nullboy: no troubles with the lappy at the border I take it.
[01:05] <nullboy> nope, they didn't even touch it
[01:05] <chopp> right on
[01:05] <twolf> the Candians known to mess with laptops at the border?
[01:06] <superGear> what secrets did you steal, nullboy ?
[01:06] <nullboy> i'm more interested in the coming back
[01:06] <nullboy> it's not the going out of the US that is usually the issue, coming back is usually the where they get crazy
[01:06] <chopp> twolf: it's happened to myself years ago.
[01:06] <twolf> chopp: that sucks
[01:06] <antler> edmonton again? :P whadda bleak city... kinda like calgary
[01:06] <nullboy> hehe
[01:07] <twolf> I haven't done much traveling since 2001, but before that it used to amaze me what I got away with
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[01:08] <chopp> twolf: I used to be at the border for atleast a couple hours usually, while they stripped my bike down on the way to sturgis.
[01:08] <twolf> damn the man
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[01:09] <nullboy> too bad you can't encrypt a bike
[01:09] <chopp> antler: I'm thinkin nullboy wants to become a canuck. :P
[01:09] <nullboy> chopp: considering it
[01:10] <chopp> it's not so bad.
[01:10] <twolf> when I 20 and long haired hippy I took a flight from Amsterdam to Kansas City with 200 high grade marijuana seeds in my shoe and didn't even get asked a question
[01:11] <nullboy> lol
[01:11] <chopp> warmer farther west nullboy.
[01:11] <superGear> do that now
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[01:11] <chopp> twolf: haha
[01:11] <antler> chopp: haha you in canada?
[01:11] <superGear> Canadaware
[01:12] <chopp> antler: man your memory is worse than mine. ;)
[01:12] <chopp> Edmonchuck
[01:12] <antler> chopp: i know. i was just thinking that you might've already told me
[01:12] <antler> *gulp*
[01:12] <superGear> antler is old or smokes too much
[01:12] <antler> superGear: both, actually.
[01:13] <chopp> I can use one of those excuses anyway.
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[01:14] <antler> chopp: heh the ride to calgary on a bike must be boring as hell
[01:14] <antler> get on. ride. pass some cows. pass some farms. some more cows. calgary.
[01:15] <twolf> sounds like kansas
[01:15] <chopp> antler: not near as boring as from calgary to about billings.
[01:15] <dtanner> hmm... amarok is kinda cool, never gave it much of a chance =)
[01:15] <twolf> wouldn't trade it for the world
[01:16] <antler> chopp: i drove to interior bc years back. that would be some trip on a bike. (i can only imagine) :P
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[01:17] <neverwas1> is woot.com working for anyone ?
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[01:17] <antler> twolf: wouldn't trade the scenery?
[01:17] <chopp> antler: I used to make trips from lethbridge to vancouver on the bike, stopping twice for fuel. 13.5hrs
[01:18] <nullboy> neverwas1: yikes, there's been a server error
[01:18] <twolf> antler: yeah, I like the emptiness of Kansas, I haven't traveled much in the interior of Canada though
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[01:19] <I00m> How do I uninstall Zenmap with slackpkg?
[01:19] <nooper> heh, australia banned lemonparty
[01:20] <I00m> slackpkg remove zenmap says it's not installed.
[01:20] <nullboy> I00m: then use removepkg
[01:20] <chopp> nullboy: are you still considering Grande Prairie?
[01:20] <I00m> nooper, Is going to.
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[01:20] <nooper> oh i thought it was already in effect
[01:20] <I00m> Nope
[01:21] <I00m> nullboy, Still says no such package
[01:21] <nullboy> chopp: i like Edmonton but I'm looking into Edmonton and Vancouver because i really surf a lot. I'd just get nice heated suit
[01:21] <nullboy> I00m: zenmap comes with nmap
[01:21] <nullboy> remove nmap
[01:21] <I00m> :/
[01:22] <I00m> O well.
[01:22] <twolf> they got surfable waves in Vancouver?
[01:23] <nullboy> on the pacific side yeah
[01:23] <nullboy> no in the channel really
[01:23] <nullboy> not*
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[01:23] <twolf> probably better out on the island?
[01:23] <nullboy> yeah
[01:23] <nullboy> and washington has good surf too
[01:23] <chopp> yes I've heard that. It does rain alot in vancouver though.
[01:26] <chopp> nullboy: eviljames is from vancouver.
[01:26] <nullboy> ah cool
[01:27] <LSD`> which side of canadia is vancouver on?
[01:27] <twolf> west
[01:28] <chopp> LSD`: just north of Washington.
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[01:28] <LSD`> Ah, so that's why it rains all the time then :P
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[01:30] <chopp> no..they just deserve it. :O
[01:30] <twolf> hehe
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[01:30] <chopp> thats what I say when its 40 below here anyway.
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[01:31] <twolf> I am glad the winters have been mild here in recent years
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[01:32] <chopp> I had the chance to go to australia years ago on the rigs, but didn't. I'm now kicking my cold ass.
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[01:40] <antler> nullboy: surfing? oh well you really ought to move to sylvan lake :P
[01:40] <nullboy> lol
[01:41] <antler> are you thinking about moving out of cali?
[01:41] <twolf> the weather sucks almost everywhere else
[01:43] <neverwas1> i thought that was one of the problems with cali, there is no weather
[01:44] <antler> i'd like to visit cali and new york (um, maybe kansas) :P
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[01:46] <nullboy> antler: i'm always open to options and if there is work i'll go
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[01:49] <antler> nullboy: i hear ya. i moved to s.korea about five years ago for work.
[01:50] <twolf> I always give a dollar to the guy who holds the sign that says "Why lie? I need beer"
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[01:51] <antler> heh i think i saw one long ago that read, "ninjas robbed me. i need money for kung fu lessons"
[01:51] <twolf> lmao
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[02:04] <phrag> night guys o/
[02:05] <twolf> gnight
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[02:21] <dartmouth> hi, where is howto for upgrading 12.2 to current?  not finding it in google
[02:23] <chopp> dartmouth: -current/UPGRADE.TXT
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[02:24] <dartmouth> http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-current/UPGRADE.TXT  <-- chopp
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[02:25] <dartmouth> that is 12.1 to 12.2, not 12.2 to -current
[02:26] <dartmouth> that's odd
[02:27] <twolf> -current hasn't differed much from 12.2 much until recently
[02:29] <dartmouth> ok, with that in mind, is the upgrade.txt in -current going to use the same process as the upgrade from 12.1 to 12.2....?
[02:29] <chopp> dartmouth: and once slack is at 13.0, it will say 12.2 to 13.0. The procedure is still the same.
[02:29] <dartmouth> ok
[02:30] <dartmouth> this is...going to take forever...
[02:31] <chopp> my main box is normally allways current, but I don't even rsync kde so...
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[02:33] <edman007> dartmouth, -current is unsupported, /UPGRADE.TXT is the location of the official support documents..
[02:34] <edman007> its unsupported, so don't ask for docs ;), but if they exist thats where it will be
[02:34] <chopp> anyone know how to get rid of "dhcpT1value is missing in DHCP server response. Assuming 3600 sec" I tried "dhcpT1value=3600;" in dhcpd.conf but no luck.
[02:37] <dartmouth> *grumble*
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[02:44] <dartmouth> ok.  so.  rsync isn't working on any of the mirrors for -current, and there's no iso download
[02:45] <dartmouth> i could do wget -drc host/path/to/-current but that can't really be the best way...
[02:50] <chopp> dartmouth: I just tried my rsync_current script from alienBOB, and it rsynced current fine.
[02:50] <charle97> i rsync'ed a mirror for -current a few hours ago
[02:51] <chopp> RSYNCURL="rsync.osuosl.org::slackware"
[02:51] <dartmouth> chopp: doe she have the script up somewhere?
[02:51] <dartmouth> he
[02:51] <chopp> http://www.slackware.com/~alien/tools/
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[02:57] <dartmouth> what was that rsync url you gave me?  you said there was an alternate?
[02:59] <chopp> that url is in the rsync_current script
[03:00] <dartmouth> oh ok.  i found a nice little romanian server that is faster than most of the USA ones lol
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[03:48] <slackytude> morning
[03:48] Action: slackytude is too late
[03:48] <slackytude> need coffee
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[04:09] <edman007> ohh...interesing, AIM is down...
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[04:17] <slackytude> gah
[04:17] <slackytude> SQL Managment studio express will only install to C:
[04:17] <slackytude> >-<
[04:17] <slackytude> I cant change the path
[04:17] <slackytude> what century is this again?
[04:18] <|Shingoshi|> Someone help me get my dbus started in KDE4. PLEASE!
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[04:27] <jkwood> |Shingoshi|: /etc/rc.d/rc.dbus start ?
[04:29] <|Shingoshi|> jkwood: Sorry. I was busy looking for something I don't think I have it. Let me look again.
[04:30] <|Shingoshi|> No! I don't have it.
[04:30] <|Shingoshi|> Which pkg installs it?
[04:31] <jkwood> Oh, sorry, rc.messagebus.
[04:31] <jkwood> My bad.
[04:31] <|Shingoshi|> Have it. Now what do I do?
[04:31] <|Shingoshi|> BTW. Hi!!
[04:32] <jkwood> /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus restart
[04:32] <jkwood> Hullo.
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[04:36] <|Shingoshi|> jkwood: Why does KDE complain about this?
[04:36] <|Shingoshi|> It refuses to start. "Could not start d-bus"
[04:36] <jkwood> dbus is what replaced dcop.  It's a message-passing interface between programs.
[04:37] <|Shingoshi|> jkwood: What part of KDE is calling this?
[04:37] <jkwood> Pretty much the whole thing.
[04:37] <|Shingoshi|> So how do I switch from one to the other?
[04:38] <ccfreak2k> |Shingoshi|, is rc.messagebus +x?
[04:38] <|Shingoshi|> It is executable.
[04:39] <|Shingoshi|> Can I make a link from rc.dbus to rc.messagebus?
[04:39] <jkwood> No, no... there *is* no rc.dbus.
[04:40] <jkwood> I was misremembering when I said that.
[04:40] <jkwood> Are you running rc.messagebus as root?
[04:41] <|Shingoshi|> So how do I fix this. KDE won't start at all.
[04:41] <jkwood> Do you have an rc.messagebus.new ?
[04:41] <slackytude> might be a .pid file
[04:42] <slackytude> or somesuch
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[04:42] <jkwood> Possibly.
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[04:42] <|Shingoshi|> How is that pid file created?
[04:42] <slackytude> during the run of kde
[04:43] <slackytude> you know, a more detailed error message would be nice
[04:43] <jkwood> You could try reading /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus.
[04:43] <|Shingoshi|> Well. That's not happening.
[04:43] <|Shingoshi|> slackytude: That would be nice. And my thoughts exactly!
[04:43] <slackytude> >-<
[04:44] <slackytude> what does your log say?
[04:44] <|Shingoshi|> Where would the log be? The only thing that shows up in the root window, is the complaint about not starting KDE.
[04:45] <jkwood> According to /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus, the log is redirected to /dev/null.
[04:45] <|Shingoshi|> Thank you!
[04:46] <jkwood> I bet you could run the commands in there without the redirect to /dev/null and find something out, though.
[04:46] <jkwood> Also, merge in any .new files in /etc (find /etc -name '*.new')
[04:46] <|Shingoshi|> Like create my own logfile from now on?
[04:47] <slackytude> also, /var/log/xorg
[04:47] <jkwood> You don't have to do it from now on.  Just until you figure it out.
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[04:49] <|Shingoshi|> I would have to quit xfce and restart kde to get that log. I'll try it.
[04:51] <_RadioHead> |Shingoshi|: problem starting kde also you?
[04:52] <_RadioHead> |Shingoshi|: only coursor can be moved? and wallpaper can be seen nothing else... ( i could run ALT+F2 ) ?
[04:52] <|Shingoshi|> radi0head: Yes. PITA!!
[04:53] <|Shingoshi|> I'm going to have to quit xfce to check on kde again. I'll be back later.
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[05:09] <slackytude> *sigh*
[05:09] <slackytude> I want the weekend
[05:09] <slackytude> now
[05:10] <Soul_keeper> i'll be happy with 5am friday ...
[05:11] <Soul_keeper> coffee at 2am just feels wrong
[05:11] <dios_mio> http://fukung.net/v/19/americans.gif
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[05:12] <KjellB> Seen the last explosm?
[05:12] <KjellB> http://www.explosm.net/comics/1598/
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[05:17] <slackytude> dios_mio, eh, thats old
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[05:18] <dios_mio> lol
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[05:29] <edman007> Soul_keeper, what about 5am?
[05:29] <edman007> though its almost time for bed...so that part sucks
[05:29] <edman007> since its 530am here...
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[05:34] <_RadioHead> time for upgradepkg :) init 1
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[05:44] <Soul_keeper> edman007, ha !
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[05:48] <slava_dp> noobfarm rocks
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[05:54] <slackytude> aye
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[05:57] <edman007> unfortunately i have to go to bed early tonight :(
[05:58] <edman007> all buisnesses should be open 24x7
[05:58] <slackytude> eh
[05:58] <slackytude> no
[05:58] <edman007> yes
[05:59] <slackytude> anybody knows what one needs to play at instantaction.com?
[05:59] <slackytude> must be something fancy
[05:59] Action: edman007 clicks
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[06:00] <edman007> wtf?!?! 'We're sorry, but InstantAction doesn't work very well with the operating system you're using right now. If you want the best experience try a PC with Windows Vista/XP, or a Mac with OS X.'
[06:01] <molafishPrime> sigh...
[06:01] Action: edman007 tries again
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[06:02] <slava_dp> lol
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[06:05] <edman007> slackytude, well they gave me an exe
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[06:06] <edman007> and you're not making me install an exe for IE, because i don't think i got wine configured to emulate the proper shittyness of IE
[06:07] <edman007> hmm, someone really owns me.org
[06:07] <edman007> well thats my account, bite@me.org
[06:08] <slackytude> edman007, hr
[06:09] <slackytude> edman007, too bad, looks nice on win
[06:09] <edman007> what is it?
[06:09] <slackytude> tribes2
[06:09] <slackytude> well, based on tribes2
[06:09] <slackytude> a describtion is on /.
[06:10] <edman007> oh...nice
[06:11] <edman007> well i'm going to go to bed...i have to be awake by 3pm or so :(
[06:11] <slackytude> good night
[06:11] <edman007> but it does say it works on my mac, so i can try :D
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[06:17] <molafishPrime> Isn't slackware great?
[06:17] <jkwood> slackytude: Tribes 2 has a Linux port, ya know.
[06:17] <slackytude> I know
[06:18] <slackytude> but the in browser game is nifty
[06:18] <jkwood> http://www.elven.de/articles/2007/10/28/the-ultimate-guide-to-tribes-2-on-linux/
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[06:20] <slava_dp> molafishPrime, rhetorical question.
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[06:21] <molafishPrime> well it's also hard to answer because of the not logic, i guess
[06:23] <slava_dp> molafishPrime, the $answer depends on many factors, it's always. for some = 1, others = 0, but most = in between.
[06:24] Action: molafishPrime will beat the first person to bring up "There are 10 kinds of people..."
[06:24] <slava_dp> err, most = don't give a damn, that would be more precise
[06:24] <chopp_> There are 10 kinds of people
[06:24] <slava_dp> There are 10 kinds of people
[06:24] <molafishPrime> you're safe slava
[06:25] <molafishPrime> only chopp_ will get the wrath
[06:25] <slava_dp> lol
[06:25] <chopp_> first wins
[06:28] <molafishPrime> you're expecting me to throw the /me beat down, but i won't
[06:28] <molafishPrime> "That's what they're expecting me to do..."
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[06:29] Action: jkwood sets molafishPrime on fire
[06:30] <slava_dp> for suspend to disk, do i need to have as much swap as my memory?
[06:30] <slackytude> bit more
[06:31] <molafishPrime> 1.5x still a good choice?
[06:31] Action: slackytude nods
[06:31] <slava_dp> so if i have 2 gigs and my swap is 1 gig it's not gonna work.
[06:31] <slava_dp> bit it actually works.
[06:31] <molafishPrime> jkwood, harsh... harsh
[06:31] <slackytude> lucky
[06:32] <slava_dp> maybe because my ram is only 1/4 full
[06:32] <molafishPrime> the only escalation left to me is nuclear bombs
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[06:32] <jkwood> molafishPrime: Build a man a fire, you keep him warm for a day.  Set a man on fire, and you'll keep him warm for the rest of his life.
[06:32] <molafishPrime> i have heard that one
[06:32] <molafishPrime> twice now, actually
[06:33] Action: slava_dp bought a 1 gig stick of ram for his laptop yesterday with a 20% discount in a local store. now his swap is twice less then his mem.
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[06:34] <jkwood> molafishPrime: Just keeping you warm.  That's all.
[06:34] <molafishPrime> thx then?
[06:35] <jkwood> You're welcome.
[06:36] <slava_dp> it's raining all morning here.
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[07:13] <slackytude> slava_dp, raining men?
[07:15] <slava_dp> slackytude, raining girls would be lovely.
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[07:15] <slackytude> aye
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[07:19] <asdas> f'ing hell slackware needs a good package management system
[07:20] <slackytude> whoa
[07:20] <slackytude> instant troll
[07:20] <asdas> No troll
[07:20] <jkwood> asdas: There's nothing wrong with the Slackware package management system.
[07:20] <asdas> I have to install so many dependencies one by one
[07:20] <asdas> fffuuuuu
[07:21] <asdas> For certain apps that is
[07:21] <jkwood> http://slackbuilds.org
[07:21] <Kaapa> asdas: /j #ubuntu
[07:21] <slackytude> sbopkg.org
[07:21] <Tyrael_> and all slackware packages asdas ?
[07:21] <Tyrael_> or non slackware packages ?
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[07:21] <asdas> .-.
[07:22] <asdas> I just want to install Editra, then I have to install wxpython. Now I get "libmspack.so.0: cannot open shared object file"
[07:22] <asdas> >:(
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[07:23] <Kaapa> yes, indeed. You control what gets installed on your system
[07:23] <Kaapa> if you think that's a pro, slackware is for you, if you think it's a con, then it's not
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[07:23] <slackytude> asdas, you just need wxpythons
[07:23] <asdas> I have wxpython installed
[07:23] <jkwood> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/libmspack/
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[07:25] <Aldaron> I love slackware's package management
[07:26] <Tyrael_> or http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-12.2/libraries/libmspack/
[07:26] <Aldaron> slackbuilds.org is great though =)
[07:27] <asdas> Hopefully it works now
[07:27] <Tyrael_> those 2 are the main used reps. for slackware
[07:27] <Tyrael_> slackbuilds.org and slacky.eu
[07:27] <tntslack> slacky.eu is not main
[07:27] <jkwood> slacky.eu is *definitely* not main.
[07:28] <asdas> Well I install libmspack and got it completed successfully. But I'm still getting cannot open shared object file
[07:28] <jkwood> Hmm...
[07:28] <Tyrael_> I said main used
[07:28] <Tyrael_> alteast I use it above slackbuilds
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[07:29] <Aldaron> I just use slackbuilds. Works great for me, I don't mind giving a few commands by hand
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[07:30] <jkwood> Erm... Given that two of the main Slackware developers are admins on SlackBuilds.org, I'd pick SBo over slacky any day.
[07:30] <Aldaron> That said, is there some "quality controls" for slackbuilds? I've made a few of my own, but don't think they're very great or anything ;)
[07:30] <Zordrak> slacky sucks donkey sperm
[07:31] <jkwood> http://slackbuilds.org/howto/
[07:31] <Zordrak> =there-s no other way to say it
[07:31] <jkwood> Now hold on...  slacky isn't all bad.  They at least provide the source SlackBuilds for their packages.
[07:32] <Zordrak> which take forever to sanitise into something i would consider using
[07:32] <Aldaron> are all builds on sbo sanitized by a central authority or something?
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[07:35] <molafishPrime> aldaron, they are checked upon submission before inclusion to the db
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[07:37] <jkwood> Yeah.  Every build on SBo is vetted.
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[07:37] <slackytude> and every sperm is sacred
[07:37] <jkwood> There are multiple admins that work them over.
[07:37] <slackytude> O_o
[07:37] <arny`> hi all
[07:37] <Aldaron> awright. So that means I can just submit my stuff without worrying too much about its sanity ;)
[07:38] <slackytude> Aldaron, only if you want it to be rejected
[07:39] <asdas> F* it I'm going for a ride.
[07:40] <Aldaron> slackytude: so, your advice is *not* to submit anything to SBo unless I'm actually very confident about it, which I will never be unless somebody pays me to be extra careful?
[07:40] <slackytude> Aldaron, you can be sloppy with it but then you get ridculed for it when you come here again :P  so, yeah
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[07:42] <Aldaron> awright, I'll leave it to the pro's then. Would somebody please make slackbuilds of ogre3d and some others?
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[07:42] <slackytude> Aldaron, my fee is 10$ per hour
[07:43] <Aldaron> slackytude: you're cheap =)
[07:43] <slackytude> Aldaron, well, I can do it while I'm "at work", so, why not
[07:43] <slackytude> but, you are right. I was confusing $ and ?
[07:43] <slackytude> so, lets make that 10?
[07:44] <Aldaron> slackytude: well, just in case I'll ever get brave enough to submit myself. Where should example applications for a devel library go? Or should they not go anywhere in a slackbuild, despite them being automagically included if you compile from source?
[07:45] <slackytude> Aldaron,/usr/doc/NAME/examples or sumthing.
[07:45] <Aldaron> slackytude: even for binaries, settings files and media?
[07:46] <slackytude> Aldaron, check out the existing slackbuilds
[07:46] <slackytude> oh, example applications
[07:46] <slackytude> hrm
[07:46] <Aldaron> yea. That's one of my biggest reasons I feel somewhat uneasy about my slackbuild ;)
[07:46] <Zordrak> pls stay out of privmsg
[07:46] <Zordrak> whoops
[07:47] <slackytude> ^-^
[07:47] <Aldaron> I think I put them under /usr/local/ogre3d/examples or something
[07:47] <slackytude> uh
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[07:48] <Aldaron> The temptation of /opt is strong in this case ;)
[07:48] <slackytude> more like /usr/share/ogre3d
[07:48] <Aldaron> might have been that too ;)
[07:49] <slackytude> but it aint that hard. even I managed it
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[07:58] <Camarade_Tux> lol : http://www.meow.org.uk/stan/xserver/
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[08:08] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, ye gods! its an abnomination
[08:08] <Camarade_Tux> I want the same ! :D
[08:09] <slackytude> what for?
[08:09] <Camarade_Tux> hum, I don't know ><
[08:09] <slackytude> heh
[08:11] <Camarade_Tux> that would be fun to read irc with that :D
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[08:12] <slackytude> see ya#
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[08:19] <hitest> Greetings from Northern Canada:)
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[08:19] <slackytude> greetings from Germany ^-^
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[08:25] <hitest> Hiya slackytude:)
[08:26] <slackytude> yo hitest
[08:26] <slackytude> ^-^
[08:26] <hitest> :)
[08:27] <slackytude> just woken up?
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[08:27] <hitest> yup
[08:27] <hitest> coffee!
[08:27] Action: slackytude nods
[08:27] <slackytude> very important
[08:28] <hitest> Agreed.  Coffee is very important:)  5:27 here on the west coast
[08:28] <slackytude> ouch
[08:28] <slackytude> far too early
[08:28] <hitest> yeah
[08:28] <hitest> I'm a light sleeper
[08:28] <slackytude> O_o
[08:29] <slackytude> amazing
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[08:42] <Knightingale> sup?
[08:43] <thrice`> hai
[08:44] <Aldaron> no sup
[08:44] <Knightingale> i was mucking around in bash and i must have buggered up something.. when i do tab completions it appends a / to every file as if it is a directory.. any idea how to turn this off?
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[08:45] <Knightingale> its in vi mode by the way
[08:46] <Knightingale> driving me mad
[08:46] <agentc0re> wow... a WD 1TB HD @ newegg for $90.
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[08:57] <|Shingoshi|> I have no panel in xfce4.
[08:57] <thrice`> ok
[08:58] <|Shingoshi|> How do I start my panel when it doesn't even show up in settings?
[08:58] <slackytude> xfce4-panel
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[09:00] <thrice`> go to settings, and add a panel
[09:01] <|Shingoshi|> I just tried starting the panel with xfce4-panel, and it won't start.
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[09:03] <kr_eten> hi what can i use to keep slackware updated to current?
[09:03] <straterra> rsync
[09:03] <kr_eten> well, i need to install the packages :)
[09:03] <kr_eten> not only download them :)
[09:03] <straterra> then installpkg/upgradepkg
[09:04] <jkwood> slackpkg
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[09:04] <Zordrak> slackpkg update
[09:04] <Zordrak> slackpkg upgrade-all
[09:04] <jkwood> It's the best of both worlds.
[09:04] <Zordrak> foo
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[09:05] <kr_eten> is slackpkg supported? what i really need to know is, how "unsafe" is it? :)
[09:05] <Zordrak> it's part of the core
[09:06] <Zordrak> foo
[09:06] <kr_eten> ah yes, now i remembered what you are talking about :)
[09:07] <kr_eten> well, i guess it does not handle cases when, for example, a package is renamed, or split on two or so on
[09:07] <kr_eten> but maybe there is no tool that could handle this
[09:07] <Zordrak> no thats why you read CHANGESANDHINTS
[09:07] <Zordrak> foo!
[09:08] <jkwood> Also, run slackpkg clean-system every so often.
[09:08] <jkwood> Also, slackpkg install-new.
[09:08] <jkwood> It actually handles those situations just fine.
[09:08] <jkwood> And it's in ap/ now, so it's definitely safe.
[09:09] <kr_eten> jkwood, clean-system *might* delete some slackbuilds packages i suppose ;)
[09:10] <jkwood> kr_eten: It's menu-based.
[09:10] <jkwood> You choose what to uninstall.
[09:10] <kr_eten> ah, thanks
[09:10] <kr_eten> i will try it :)
[09:10] <jkwood> slackpkg doesn't do a thing without checking with you first.
[09:10] <jkwood> In that respect, it's a little bit "safer" than removepkg.
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[09:13] <mrselfpwn> hello jkwood
[09:13] <|Shingoshi|> What's this about?  `XfcePager' is smaller than the parent type's `WnckPager' class size
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[09:16] <mrselfpwn> jkwood, i just used your script to attempt to build a pkg.  Does it go to /tmp by default?
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[09:20] <fred> phrag: ping?
[09:20] <jkwood> mrselfpwn: Yep.
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[09:21] <slava_dp> |Shingoshi|, try removing .config/xfce4
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[09:22] <mrselfpwn> hmm
[09:22] <slackytude> man, windows dependency hell is evil
[09:22] <slackytude> EVIL!
[09:23] <slackytude> people who say windows is easy have no clue whatsoever
[09:23] <slackytude> damn them all
[09:23] <slackytude>  </rant<
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[09:23] <Zordrak> ++
[09:23] <straterra> Windows is easy..
[09:24] <mrselfpwn> Jkwood i'm getting make: *** No rule to make target `install-strip'.  Stop. upon creation attempt.
[09:24] <slava_dp> windows has everything compiled statically.
[09:24] <fred> ... "If you are installing the IBM Data Server Client, you must have a C compiler to build SQL stored procedures" :|
[09:24] <straterra> slava_dp: false
[09:24] <slava_dp> straterra, isn't it so?
[09:24] <kr_eten> well yesterday i tried to install qt+mysql driver on windows.... hah easy... i have failed!!! :)
[09:25] <straterra> No..it isn't so
[09:25] <jkwood> mrselfpwn: remove the -strip from the SlackBuild.
[09:25] <jkwood> I probably shouldn't have included that by default.
[09:25] <mrselfpwn> okay
[09:25] <slackytude> and dont get me started on .NET  from version 1.0 to version 3.5, plus one or two service packs + one or two hotfixes + language packs
[09:25] <slackytude> and severeal versions of ISS installer
[09:25] <straterra> What's wrong with .net?
[09:26] <jkwood>  [ in bed ]
[09:26] <molafishPrime> straterra, how about the fact that the 3.5 "family" update changed a whole bunch of shit in 2.0 that broke mountains of code?
[09:27] <straterra> uh..what?
[09:27] <straterra> 3.5 updates change 3.5...
[09:27] <molafishPrime> AND 2.0
[09:27] <straterra> 3.5 doesn't effect any of the other .net versions, even though multiple .net versions can be installed at the same time
[09:27] <molafishPrime> despite being labeled 3.5
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[09:27] <straterra> And API's do change, you know
[09:27] <molafishPrime> i'm talking about the update
[09:29] <straterra> None of the .Net 2 apps here broke with latest 3.5 updates
[09:29] <slackytude> none of ours either
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[09:29] <slackytude> but .net is famous for its api changes
[09:29] <molafishPrime> all the clickonce stuff does
[09:29] <straterra> slava_dp: uhm.. All living lanugages have API changes at some point..
[09:29] <molafishPrime> but, meh, i dont use that anyway
[09:29] <slackytude> straterra, tab expansion fail
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[09:30] <slackytude> :P
[09:30] <straterra> yeah.. slackytude
[09:30] Action: slackytude smoke break
[09:30] <molafishPrime> no shit, i wasn't saying otherwise
[09:30] <straterra> I wasn't talking to you about that..don't get your panties in a bunch
[09:30] <molafishPrime> line read fail
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[09:32] <molafishPrime> i guess i don't have problems with .net, but more microsoft's management of the api
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[09:35] <slackytude> the stuff they want to do with 3.5 is impressive, tho
[09:36] <molafishPrime> i haven't played with 3.5
[09:36] <slackytude> supposed to work inside a browser, too, with silverlight 3
[09:36] <slackytude> develop once, run anywhere
[09:36] <molafishPrime> whoa, v3 already?
[09:36] <slackytude> with silverlight 3
[09:36] <slackytude> not official released
[09:36] <molafishPrime> like 4 months ago they were in 0.9 beta?
[09:37] <slackytude> http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/03/mix09-silverlight-3-is-amazing-in-and-out-of-the-browser.ars
[09:37] <Zordrak> stop talking ms. srsly. i feel ill.
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[09:38] <Aldaron> who's talking to him?
[09:38] <molafishPrime> ms is here? I'd like to talk to that guy
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[09:38] <slackytude> morning Old_Fogie
[09:38] <Old_Fogie> mo'nin :)
[09:41] <mrselfpwn> thank you jkwood, that worked nicely
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[09:50] <slack_china> hi all
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[09:53] <slack_china> hi all
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[09:57] <hitest> good morning Old_Fogie
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[09:58] <slack_china> my time is night 22:00 i at china
[09:58] <slack_china> not morning
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[10:01] <Zordrak> have i been on fukung too long if random fails to find anything new? :p
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[10:02] <slack_china> i don't understand
[10:03] <dtanner> mornin' slackers
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[10:09] Action: SlackLnx hi sirs :)
[10:09] <slack_china> all sleeping???
[10:10] <slack_china> hello slacklnx
[10:10] <bittin> Hello
[10:11] <SlackLnx> :)
[10:11] <slack_china> :)
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[10:22] <slack_china> have many chinese in??
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[10:24] <jkwood> A few.  They're not as prominent as the Brazilians, English, or Americans.
[10:25] <molafishPrime> nor as tall
[10:25] <slack_china> i see .perhaps china master not come in here!!
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[10:27] <slack_china> i english is pool ,but i will offten come here late
[10:28] <slack_china> and i can instroduce china to everybody..
[10:28] <sombriks> slack_china, you're welcome
[10:29] <jkwood> Yeah, welcome to the channel. =)
[10:29] <slack_china> thanks .i like here.
[10:29] <slackytude> I'd like to be introduced to china, she looks nice
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[10:30] <slack_china> i use slackware 12.2 current now .
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[10:31] <slack_china> true,china is amazing country and friendly to world
[10:33] <slackytude> well, as long as you dont includ tibet
[10:33] <slack_china> i can instroduce popular music
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[10:33] <SlackLnx> slack_china you hare from china??
[10:33] <SlackLnx> :)
[10:34] <elvispresley> bom dia
[10:34] <elvispresley> ops, good morning
[10:34] <SlackLnx> boa tarde , mas acho que aqui so falam english
[10:34] <SlackLnx> :D
[10:34] <SlackLnx> hello elvispresley
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[10:35] <elvispresley> SlackLnx, are you brazilian?
[10:35] <slack_china> i am not a hare ..
[10:35] <SlackLnx> no i'm portuguese :)
[10:35] <elvispresley> hummm, from Lisboa or what city?
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[10:36] <SlackLnx> elvispresley yes lisbon :)
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[10:37] <elvispresley> cool, so nice to meet you. i'm from Brasil, south country
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[10:38] <slack_china> you don't working ?which job? slacklnx
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[10:41] <SlackLnx> slack_china i'm techical informatics
[10:41] <SlackLnx> technical informatics*
[10:42] <slack_china> student?
[10:42] <elvispresley> SlackLnx, do you use linux only or another o.s.?
[10:43] <SlackLnx> elvispresley linux,windows,dsb,macos.....
[10:43] <SlackLnx> bsd*
[10:43] <elvispresley> right
[10:44] <SlackLnx> slack_china yes studing and work :)
[10:44] <elvispresley> in my job i use windows xp, but here in  my computer i have in dual boot windows and linux
[10:45] <slack_china> i use slackware at home,my wife too,i already work 10 years...
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[10:45] <I00m> Anyone know where I can find libwxgtk2.6?
[10:45] <SlackLnx> yep in my computer i have slackware,archlinux,windows vista 32 and 64 bits :)
[10:46] <SlackLnx> and many virtual machines... :P
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[10:46] <slack_china> amazing,well...
[10:46] <SlackLnx> and use linux 7/8 years
[10:46] <SlackLnx> i dont remenber :P
[10:47] <jkwood> I00m: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/wxGTK/
[10:47] <slack_china> good.
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[10:47] <slack_china> do you use kde4.2.1 with slackware ?
[10:47] <I00m> O so that's what I want, thank jkwood
[10:47] <I00m> +s
[10:48] <slack_china> i have some question in it..
[10:48] <jkwood> I use it with Slamd64, which is very close to being the same thing.
[10:48] <thrice`> only twice the bitz
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[10:50] <jkwood> That makes it roughly 4 billion times as awesome.
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[10:52] <slack_china> i'll go to bed and good-bye .see you!
[10:52] <hitest> night!
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[10:53] <slack_china> my time is 2009.3.20 22:55
[10:53] <slack_china> slacklnx see you!
[10:53] <SlackLnx> 14:53 here
[10:53] <SlackLnx> :)
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[10:56] <mikk0> anyone know where i can download the latest version of SuperProbe ?
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[10:56] <jkwood> That's what she... nevermind.
[10:57] <jkwood> http://members.cox.net/berniekm/super.html
[10:57] <mikk0> thanks
[10:57] <jkwood> I assume that's what you're looking for, anyway.
[10:57] <mikk0> no thats not it
[10:58] <sitwon> anyone here using JACK?
[10:58] <jkwood> Oh, I see now... Umm...
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[10:59] <jkwood> It used to come with XFree86.
[10:59] <mikk0> i cant find it with google
[10:59] <mikk0> jkwood, yeah it doesnt come with xfree86 anymore :(
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[11:00] <slackytude> oy!
[11:00] <slackytude> free pie!
[11:01] <slackytude> whats the difference between cake and pie anyway?
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[11:02] <thrice`> the two are not even close
[11:02] <I00m> cake != pie
[11:03] <sitwon> slackytude: one is more delicious than the other
[11:03] <I00m> But the cake is a lie
[11:03] Action: slackytude nods
[11:03] <sitwon> Pi is not a lie
[11:03] <sitwon> ?
[11:04] <slackytude> well, this pie slice is tasty indeed
[11:04] <slackytude> and free \o/
[11:04] <slackytude> sometimes, I love working here
[11:04] <jkwood> Hmm... All I know is that it's deprecated, mikk0.  Sorry. =/
[11:05] <slackytude> superprobe is oldschool
[11:05] <slackytude> what you need it for?
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[11:07] <|Shingoshi|> jkwood: I had to compile my own copy of xfce4-panel. It works now!
[11:08] <jkwood> Interesting.
[11:08] <slackytude> huh?
[11:08] <|Shingoshi|> I think I had a copy left over from an earlier version of xfce4.
[11:08] <slackytude> aha
[11:08] <|Shingoshi|> So the one that I needed, wasn't being recognized.
[11:09] <|Shingoshi|> I downloaded the new xfce4 bundle tarball, extracted it, and compiled only the panel.
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[11:10] <hitest> bbl
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[11:11] <thrice`> installing your panel over the other panel probably wasn't a good idea, but O.o
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[11:28] <slackytude> eh, tomtom has sued microsoft for patent infringment
[11:28] <Necos> lol
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[11:29] <slackytude> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/20/0215215
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[11:38] <dive> that's a turn around
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[11:42] <acidchild> slackytude: awesome =]
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[11:43] <slackytude> aye ^-^
[11:43] <Necos> have you read the discussion on /.?
[11:44] <slackytude> yeah
[11:44] <Necos> seems as if they're coaxing a deal
[11:44] <slackytude> probably
[11:44] <acidchild> slackytude: microsoft sued tomtom
[11:44] <acidchild> as well ;-/
[11:44] <slackytude> acidchild, I know
[11:44] <acidchild> 'counter-sue'?
[11:44] <slackytude> but it looks like tomtom cplained first
[11:44] <acidchild> right?
[11:44] <Necos> yeah
[11:44] <slackytude> tomtom informed ms of patent infringment, ms sues tomtom, tomtom sues back
[11:45] <Necos> random on-topic question... anyone using xorg-server 1.6?
[11:45] <slackytude> I use whatever comes with 12.1
[11:45] <dive> the way I read it - tomtom _notified_ MS of patent infringment, then MS sued tomtom and tomtom retaliated
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[11:45] <slackytude> dive, yeah, I think so too
[11:45] <acidchild> wow
[11:45] <dive> dammit I can't type that fast
[11:46] <dive> :-]
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[11:46] <slackytude> this is gonna be interessting ^-^
[11:46] <acidchild> go tomtom!
[11:47] <acidchild> =]
[11:47] <Necos> So how do you infringe somebody's patent and not have to pay them to continue using it? You trade. But you can't trade unless they're also infringing one of yours -- so you can file a lawsuit, which essentially forces them to counter-sue. Now you're both in the pot and you both have incentive to deal, and agreeing to a patent license swap is certainly the easiest and most pain-free resolution to the conflict.
[11:47] <acidchild> how are they going to fine jury of anti-ms bias people?
[11:47] <acidchild> find*
[11:47] <Necos> they don't have to...
[11:47] <acidchild> nono
[11:47] <acidchild> why?
[11:47] Action: Necos points up 
[11:48] <Necos> basically, it's a bunch of PR bs
[11:48] <acidchild> awe damn it
[11:48] <dive> it will probably all be settled out of court
[11:48] <acidchild> :|
[11:48] <Necos> in the end, they'll just swap patents and be done with it
[11:48] <acidchild> so what other cool court cases are going on?
[11:49] <Necos> As a comparison, according to TomTom's 2007 annual report, at that time, they had ~$2 billion in assets world wide. Microsoft has ~$20 billion just in cash. <----- LOL
[11:49] <hitest> MS has deep pockets indeed:)
[11:50] <slackytude> aye
[11:50] <slackytude> because they focus their energy on quality products
[11:51] <dive> if anyone good comes of it, it may be that the patent rules get changed
[11:51] <dive> s/anyone/anything
[11:51] <Necos> nope, actually, nothing comes from it
[11:52] Nick change: []cipher -> [cipher]
[11:52] <Necos> this is a legal dance
[11:53] <Necos> the invest 20-30k in legal fees, then make a couple bil in profit down the line... =p
[11:54] <dive> in my next life I'm gonna come back as a patent lawyer :>
[11:54] <Necos> yeah really
[11:55] <slackytude> uh, why?
[11:55] <slackytude> just go all the way and come back as a lawyer
[11:55] <slackytude> err
[11:55] <slackytude> vampire
[11:55] <slackytude> heh
[11:55] <slackytude> or zombie
[11:55] <dive> I'm a zombie now
[11:55] <Necos> well, actually, just rob billy... and you'll be done ^_^
[11:56] <slackytude> not much difference, except zobies have more brains ^-^
[11:56] <Necos> lol no
[11:56] <Necos> zombies are more resiliant ;)
[11:57] <slackytude> vamiperes only suck blood
[11:57] <Necos> they try so hard...
[11:57] <Necos> but they all get shot in the head in the end
[11:57] Action: slackytude nods
[11:57] Action: Necos wants a PS3 price drop so he can get RE5
[11:58] <slackytude> isnt supposed to be good
[11:58] <slackytude> not that I know much
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[11:59] <Necos> i like it
[12:01] <dive> been a few years since I played any RE
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[12:04] <slackytude> hrm
[12:04] <slackytude> gnome 2.26
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[12:27] <kr_eten> i managed to update to current, and now i am with kde4 :)
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[12:28] <kr_eten> i just did not expect that it will be in current. anyway, have someone built yakuake for kde4?
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[12:30] <jkwood> Hmm... not yet, it looks like.
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[12:30] <jkwood> Although, I could be wrong.
[12:31] <kr_eten> it uses cmake and i am awfully not familiar with it :)
[12:31] <kr_eten> i forgot to try google :)
[12:31] <thrice`> it looks like it's available.  having troubles, specifically?
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[12:31] <jkwood> cmake is lovely.
[12:31] <thrice`> ah, ok
[12:32] <Necos> is cmake good? >.>
[12:32] <Necos> never used it
[12:32] <dive> i might have a go at a built script tonight if there isn't one around
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[12:32] <BP{k}> not at SBo (there is a slackbuild for the KDE3 version).
[12:34] <thrice`> well, that doesn't help anyone :>
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[12:35] <kr_eten> thre is not one arround
[12:35] <kr_eten> but i am planning to edit the existing one :)
[12:35] <kr_eten> once i manage to build the app :)
[12:36] <dive> kr_eten, check back later in 5 or 6 hours or so
[12:36] <dive> and poke me
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[12:37] <kr_eten> maybe i will leave it for Monday
[12:37] <dive> sure
[12:38] <BP{k}> ls
[12:38] <BP{k}> bah.
[12:38] <kr_eten> now i see that xchat does not work very good with kde4 :) or at least with my system :)
[12:38] <BP{k}> kr_eten: screen + irssi ;)
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[12:38] <dive> really? what's the problem?
[12:38] <bittin> screen + irssi + ssh <3
[12:38] <maddslacker> anyone upgraded to slack-current in the last few days
[12:38] <dive> yes
[12:38] <kr_eten> some text is not displaying until i select it :)
[12:39] <BP{k}> maddslacker: "quite possibly"
[12:39] <thrice`> maddslacker: ask your next question, too
[12:39] <maddslacker> it seems the new gimp has an unmet dependancy
[12:39] <thrice`> of?
[12:39] <maddslacker> and google says that dep is a ubuntu package
[12:39] <maddslacker> one sec
[12:39] <thrice`> my money is on babl and gegl, which you forgot to install too.  but, continue :)
[12:40] <maddslacker> libgegl
[12:40] <dive> :)
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[12:40] <thrice`> "l/gegl-0.0.20-i486-1.tgz:  Added gegl-0.0.20.
[12:40] <maddslacker> well, I went back to gimp 2.4 and problem solved :D
[12:40] <maddslacker> thrice`, was that in slack-current?
[12:40] <thrice`> when using current, adding packages that slackware -current adds is essential
[12:40] <maddslacker> oh wait, I didn;t run install-new
[12:40] <thrice`> of course it was
[12:40] <dive> not really, that's more like problem avoidance
[12:40] <thrice`> :>
[12:41] <maddslacker> yeah, n00b mistake, forgeting install-new
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[12:41] <maddslacker> lol, what do you knowm there it is
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[12:41] <thrice`> hurray
[12:42] <thrice`> babl too, hopefully
[12:42] <dive> kr_eten, I'll have a look at xchat later too and see how it looks
[12:42] <maddslacker> thrice`, yeah, that's in there too
[12:42] <kr_eten> i could post a screen shot somewhere if you like
[12:42] <dive> up to you
[12:43] <dive> imagebin perhaps?
[12:43] <kr_eten> i have a "site" :)
[12:43] <dive> ok :-)
[12:43] <kr_eten> but imagebin is an option
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[12:44] <maddslacker> well that was easy ti fix, no back to installing the Citrix client for linux so I can get to my work stuff
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[12:51] <kr_eten> only a wildcard missing in this snapshot :)
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[12:52] <kr_eten> and maybe i will wait for your build script, because i do not know how to tell cmake what prefix to install to, nor am sure if it generates same makefile targets
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[12:56] <Necos> ctrix... ewww =p
[12:56] <maddslacker> I'm meh about it, it's secure, it works well, and it doesn't take over my whole network connection like VPN would
[12:56] <firebird619> I have a Brother MFC-240C All-in-One. I have it installed, but sane isn't seeing the scanner. I tried sane as root as well and it doesn't see the scanner. It has worked for me in the past on Slackware 12.2 (I'm on -current now), so I know it should work. What can I do to get the scanner working?
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[13:02] <Necos> hmmmm, you upgraded everything to current?
[13:03] <Necos> have you checked to see that maybe a udev rule has changed for your device?
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[13:03] <firebird619> Necos: Yes, but this issue was happening with 12.2 as well, so I don't think it happened as a result of upgrading to current.
[13:03] <maddslacker> firebird619, I just fixed a different issue, but might be same cause. Did you run slackpkg install-new?
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[13:04] <firebird619> maddslacker: Yes, I did.
[13:05] <maddslacker> hmmm, I noticed a new cups package in there which is what made me think of it, but then you're issue is with the scanner anyway
[13:05] <firebird619> I have had the scanner working before with slackware, so I know it can work again, I just don't now how to get it working, or what made it stop working. I have it setup the same as when it worked. I have added the info for it into 80-libsane.rules and dll.conf, etc. but no go.
[13:05] <firebird619> maddslacker: Yeah. The printer is working great, it's just the scanner that won't work.
[13:06] <firebird619> maddslacker: Well, I shouldn't say great, it's out of ink right now. :P
[13:06] <dive> firebird619, does 'sane-find-scanner' or 'scanimage -l' show anything?
[13:06] <firebird619> dive: sane-find-scanner gives: found USB scanner (vendor=0x04f9, product=0x01ab) at libusb:003:003
[13:07] <firebird619> dive: scanimage -l gives: scanimage: no SANE devices found
[13:07] <Necos> it is working ;)
[13:07] <dive> almost
[13:07] <dive> sound like you're 1/2 way there
[13:08] <firebird619> dive: How do I get the other half. :D
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[13:10] <Necos> maybe you need to check the kernel and see if the vendor info is compiled in?
[13:10] <dive> I would check that you are using the correct backend and make sure the confs are correct
[13:10] <dive> firebird619, 'scanimage -L'
[13:11] <firebird619> dive: No scanners were identified. If you were expecting something different, check that the scanner is plugged in, turned on and detected by the sane-find-scanner tool (if appropriate). Please read the documentation which came with this software (README, FAQ, manpages).
[13:11] <dive> hmm
[13:11] <dive> sounds like a config problem
[13:12] <dive> but I must go out now
[13:12] <firebird619> dive: Ok, Thanks for the help.
[13:12] <dive> np - hope you resolve it
[13:12] <firebird619> dive: Yeah, me too. :)
[13:13] <firebird619> Necos: How would I check if the kernel has the vendor info in it?
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[13:13] <Necos> make menuconfig in /usr/src/kernel ^_~
[13:14] <firebird619> Necos: Oh, ok. I've never done that before.
[13:14] <Necos> /usr/src/linux-2-whatever
[13:14] <firebird619> Necos: So I do that and then what do I look for, will it name my device or what? Sorry, I just don't know how.
[13:15] <Necos> sorry
[13:15] <maddslacker> firebird619, what does lsusb show?
[13:15] <maddslacker> sorry if you had already done that and answered that
[13:15] <firebird619> maddslacker: Bus 003 Device 003: ID 04f9:01ab Brother Industries, Ltd MFC-240C
[13:16] <Necos> hmmm, well, then the libusb stuff is good
[13:16] <maddslacker> have you googled to see if there is any 3rd party driver requied >or< did yo have to complile a driver before that the new kernel in -current would have broken?
[13:18] <firebird619> maddslacker: I have googled around trying to find help. Also, Brother provides Linux drivers for this device, which I have installed, and no, I didn't have to compile a driver.
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[13:19] <firebird619> maddslacker: The drivers they provide are in deb and rpm, so I got the rpm and used rpm2tgz to convert them and then I installed them and ran the setup script that Brother has. This is the exact same thing I did back when it worked fine, so I don't know what is going on with it now.
[13:19] <maddslacker> hmmm
[13:19] <maddslacker> yeah, their native drivers should work
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[13:22] <firebird619> dive had mentioned checking that it is using the right backend, how do I check that? I am not sure what backend it should be using, would it be a backend that the drivers provide and install?
[13:22] <maddslacker> i'm not sure either, sorry
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[13:22] <firebird619> maddslacker: :) that's ok. :)
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[13:23] <firebird619> Necos: Do you know how I check that?
[13:23] <Necos> oh, btw, in the udev rules, do you have it set to modprobe the driver?
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[13:24] <firebird619> Necos:  You mean in that 80-libsane.rules file?
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[13:24] <Necos> yeah
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[13:25] <firebird619> Necos: This is what I have in there: ATTRS{idVendor}=="04f9", ATTRS{idProduct}=="01ab", MODE="664", GROUP="scanner", ENV{libsane_matched}="yes"
[13:25] <Necos> oh, hmmm, yeah, it's not loading the driver...
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[13:26] <firebird619> Necos: Oh, how do I tell it to do that, and which driver does it need to load? I am googling to find what driver and such, I just haven't found it yet.
[13:27] <dartmouth> hi, are 12.2 packages usable on -current?;  I know that the issue is libraries, so upon upgrading packages compiled on the system when it was 12.2 should be compatible with -current, no? or is there more to it?
[13:27] <Necos> the tgz has the .so files in it, which comprise the driver
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[13:27] <Necos> dartmouth: just rebuild the packages
[13:27] <firebird619> Necos: So can I figure out what driver by reading the names of those files, or does it use a different name?
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[13:27] <Necos> yeah
[13:28] <Necos> you can figure out the driver name
[13:28] <dartmouth> Necos: did you find an easy 12.2 -> -current walkthrough?
[13:29] <Necos> you don't compile your packages from slackbuilds, huh?
[13:29] <dartmouth> i do
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[13:29] <dartmouth> i am just trying to con my way out of compile time
[13:30] <Necos> lol
[13:30] <Necos> not gonna happen ;)
[13:30] <firebird619> Necos: I have libbrscandec.so, libsane-brother.so, and libbrcolm.so. These files also have duplicates, so to speak, with numbers after the .so.
[13:30] <dartmouth> what i have done so far is just rsync'd the -current tree, and im assuming i just need to upgradepkg * in all the dirs in the /slackware ?
[13:30] <BP{k}> dartmouth: UPGRADE.TXT / CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT
[13:31] <firebird619> Necos: So would the driver be brother, based on libsane-brother.so?
[13:31] <Necos> libsane-brother is probably the ticket
[13:32] <firebird619> Necos: so could I do modprobe brother then and see what happens?
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[13:32] <dartmouth> BP{k}: will you write me a 1st person shooter game that forces me to type in the exact letters necessary into a terminal to complete the upgrade?  kind of like that website who's source code maps out the H-Bomb?
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[13:33] <BP{k}> dartmouth: I will not do either.
[13:34] <firebird619> :( FATAL: Module brother not found. It must have more to the name than that.
[13:34] <dartmouth> BP{k}: I will give you candy.
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[13:34] <BP{k}> dartmouth: personally I am of the opinion that if you need ask these questions about -current, you should not run it; because obviously you aren't ready to do so.
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[13:34] <thrice`> upgrade.txt specifies exact commands
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[13:35] <Necos> yah firebird619
[13:35] <Necos> sorry, i'm lagging a bit over ssh right now
[13:36] <dartmouth> i was just horribly confused last night when i was reading upgrade.txt as it specifically states that it's instructions for 12.1 -> 12.2 and not 12.2 -> -current, which in a world of necessary verbosity makes the verbose a little more difficult to process.
[13:36] <Necos> not really... ;)
[13:36] <dartmouth> *it makes
[13:36] <BP{k}> the general idea behind *any* upgrade is pretty much the same.
[13:36] <dartmouth> fair enough.
[13:36] <Necos> telinit 1; upgradepkg --install-new
[13:37] <thrice`> 12.1 -> 12.2 will be the same as 12.2 -> -current
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[13:37] <firebird619> Necos: Yeah, that modprobe brother didn't work. It must be a different name, I am searching for what it might be.
[13:37] <BP{k}> If you have any problem at all, understanding UPGRADE.TXT, ##windows and #ubuntu are thatta way --> :P
[13:37] <dartmouth> hah.
[13:37] <firebird619> lol
[13:38] <Necos> did you modprobe libsane-brother?
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[13:38] <dartmouth> yeah, i think #ubuntu did a *maine* ip ban.
[13:38] <Necos> ah, maine fails ^^
[13:38] <firebird619> Necos: Oops, no, lol. I'll try that. I was googling for it. :)
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[13:38] <firebird619> Necos: No, that didn't work either.
[13:39] <dartmouth> ##windows doesn't like me.  they throw stuff at me when I ask them where my xorg.conf is and why my bash prompt looks so funny.
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[13:39] <bittin> xD
[13:39] <Alan_Hicks> They throw stuff at you because you were acting like a dumb-ass.
[13:39] <dartmouth> oh crap
[13:39] Action: dartmouth hides
[13:40] <Alan_Hicks> I mean, if you came in here and asked "Where's My Computer and Internet Explorer?" we'd do the same thing.
[13:40] <thrice`> at least they can probably understand UPGRADE.txt
[13:40] <Necos> find / -name libsane-brother.so ?
[13:41] <dartmouth> Alan_Hicks: actually with crossover office IE is not terribly bad at all if you have the right fonts
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[13:41] <dartmouth> its a tangent, but haven't heard others' stories with it
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[13:41] <firebird619> Necos: Yeah, I just tried that a couple seconds ago, it hasn't finished looking yet. Going by the tgz file, it should be in /usr/lib/sane/
[13:42] <Necos> hmmmm... are thre linkms in /usr/lib?
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[13:42] <firebird619> Necos: fined just showed it's in /usr/lib/sane/libsane-brother.so, but find hasn't finished yet.
[13:42] <firebird619> find
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[13:43] <firebird619> Necos: I don't believe there are links. /usr/lib nas libbrscandec.so.1 and libbrscandec.so.
[13:43] <firebird619> s/nas/has
[13:45] <dartmouth> oh, well this .txt is rather straight-forward
[13:45] <Necos> lol
[13:46] <Necos> congrats
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[13:46] <firebird619> Necos: Here's the layout or whatever you call it of what files the tgz package installs. http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/11189
[13:47] <dartmouth> the only thing left im concerned about is package conflicts, e.g. packages i might have installed from slackbuilds that have an _SBo suffix in the package name and whether or not upgradepkg --install-new will recognize these when upgrading
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[13:47] <dartmouth> im mostly concerned about library conflicts
[13:48] <Necos> dartmouth: you realizethat you're going to upgradepkg _EVERYTHING_
[13:48] <Necos> right?
[13:49] <Necos> there will be none
[13:49] <thrice`> dartmouth: then ls /var/log/packages/*SBo  to start
[13:49] <dartmouth> oh yeah.  not what i was asking.  e.g. suppose I had Qt4 installed as an SBo and it's also in the packages list; the upgradepkg will account for the _SBo suffix on the package name?
[13:49] <thrice`> slackpkg also has a "clean-system" option
[13:50] <thrice`> dartmouth: upgradepkg also has a --dry-run option to see exactly what it will do
[13:50] <dartmouth> so im going to be comparing lists and needing to eyeball potential conflicts manually in that instance, thrice?
[13:50] <Necos> you were going to have to do that in the first place
[13:50] <thrice`> it will probably not understand the difference between "qt4" and "qt".  but, if you have qt-3.* installed, that will probably get upgraded
[13:51] <dartmouth> gotcha
[13:51] <thrice`> so, if you have qt4 from slackbuilds, and qt 4 is in -current, obviously you shoudl remove the SBo version
[13:51] <dartmouth> this is going to take forever
[13:51] <thrice`> it's probably safe to keep, but is very redundant and useless
[13:51] <thrice`> dartmouth: what does "ls /var/log/packages/*SBo* | wc -l"  say ?
[13:52] <dartmouth> 79
[13:52] <Necos> lol
[13:53] <dartmouth> haha.  i...may have modified my system to have a /usr/ports dir that is really just an rsync of the slackbuilds tree and a script to download, build and install them.
[13:53] <Necos> fail =p
[13:53] <dartmouth> and i believe i got carried away with it
[13:53] <dartmouth> lol
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[13:55] <Alan_Hicks> dartmouth: Just do it and fix what breaks already.
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[13:56] <dartmouth> kk
[13:56] <dartmouth> Alan_Hicks: http://pastebin.com/m47603b8b
[13:56] <straterra> I smell..chris punch fail..
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[13:57] <straterra> It's a strong smell
[13:57] <Alan_Hicks> dartmouth: Why are you sending me that?
[13:57] Nick change: ecks-_ -> ecks-
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[13:58] <Necos> lol
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[13:58] <dartmouth> because its all going to be broken in about an hour
[13:59] <Alan_Hicks> So then fix it in about two hours.
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[13:59] <Alan_Hicks> You're never gonna learn if you don't fuck up on occassion.
[13:59] <dartmouth> you assume that I am competent.
[13:59] <dartmouth> lol.
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[13:59] <Alan_Hicks> Oh no.  No I don't assume anything regarding your competency, trust me.
[13:59] <dartmouth> I'm actually not terribly worried about it, I just don't like doing 'full system' upgrades
[13:59] <dartmouth> makes me nervous
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[14:03] <LinuxyErin> hey everybody
[14:03] <Alan_Hicks> howdy
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[14:04] <LinuxyErin> whats goin on?
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[14:05] <Necos> heya Erin
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[14:05] <LinuxyErin> anyone else seen graphical glitches with xfce's terminal on slackware 12.2's version of xfce?
[14:05] <Alan_Hicks> Not much.  The usual.
[14:06] <Alan_Hicks> Insulting noobs. Reading noobfarm.  Typical ##slackware day.
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[14:06] <LinuxyErin> i was running it on this crappy old dell and like for some reason it looked really bad but just on that one program
[14:06] <Alan_Hicks> I've seen glitchy stuff with Terminal before, but not on 12.2.
[14:06] <LinuxyErin> hmm
[14:07] <LinuxyErin> i dunno might have been something with that computer
[14:07] <Alan_Hicks> IMHO, I dislike all those glorified GUI terminals.  They're slow, over-featured, and generally poorly designed.
[14:07] <LinuxyErin> lol yea
[14:07] <straterra> I like konsole
[14:07] <LinuxyErin> i like rxvt
[14:07] Action: fred likes konsole
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[14:07] <fred> except for a few annoying glitches
[14:07] <Alan_Hicks> That's just me saying that though. For the record, I'm using Terminal here 'cause xterm fonts were horrible at high resolutions.
[14:07] <LinuxyErin> lol
[14:07] <fred> where I try to use those to wind up the konsole maintainer who works around 3 metres from me
[14:07] <LinuxyErin> yea they are
[14:08] <LinuxyErin> lol
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[14:08] <Soul_keeper> i get odd corruption of the text with Terminal sometimes
[14:08] <Alan_Hicks> Don't listen to fred. He's got commit access to KDE.  He's required by law to state that he likes konsole. ;-)
[14:08] <fred> I hate amarok :p
[14:08] <LinuxyErin> lol
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[14:09] <LinuxyErin> how is slamd64 coming along? i havent tried it since version 12 i think, stopped using it when i ran into a 32-bit compatibility issue
[14:09] <dartmouth> haha.
[14:10] <jkwood> There're only a few 32-bit compat issues these days.
[14:10] <jkwood> Skype works fine, Wine works fine.
[14:10] <dartmouth> hi LinuxyErin :)
[14:10] <LinuxyErin> hey dartmouth
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[14:11] <mikk0> SuperProbe is not included in slackware anymore. how is it possible to determine the video chipset and the amount of video memory present on the video card? you can get the chipset with the xorgsetup utility, but how can you get the video memory amount?
[14:11] <jkwood> Flash player is now native 64-bit, there's a 64-bit Java browser plugin in 6u12 (one version above what's currently packaged, easy package yourself.)
[14:11] <blast3r> how install amarok with slax?, the xine engine not works
[14:11] <blast3r> :(
[14:11] <LinuxyErin> cool
[14:11] <Dominian> blast3r: slax != slackware
[14:11] <Dominian> consult their forums
[14:11] <blast3r> is based on slackware
[14:11] <bittin> or join #slax
[14:11] <Dominian> so what?
[14:11] <dartmouth> blast3r: just use slackware
[14:11] <jkwood> I'm mostly water.  That doesn't make me an ocean.
[14:12] <jkwood> (Doesn't make me particularly deep, either.)
[14:12] <blast3r> :S
[14:12] <blast3r> thanks
[14:13] <jkwood> The folks on the Slax forums used to be pretty nice.  I haven't been there in a while, though.
[14:13] <Alan_Hicks> SuperProbe?!
[14:13] <blast3r> thanks :D
[14:14] <Alan_Hicks> Man I haven'et heard of anyone asking about SuperProbe in..... damn.... six or seven years!
[14:14] <Dominian> dmidecode may give it
[14:14] <Alan_Hicks> I think Slackware dropped SuperProbe with the move to XFree86 version 4!
[14:15] <Alan_Hicks> Ah memories....
[14:15] <Alan_Hicks> Those were the days.  Set the wrong horizontal and vertical refresh rates and your monitor would pop, smoke, and sizzle itself to the grave.
[14:16] <LinuxyErin> lol
[14:16] <Alan_Hicks> Those were the days!
[14:16] <jkwood> Doesn't X -configure just kinda... figure it out these days?
[14:17] <LinuxyErin> not as well as it should lol
[14:17] <Alan_Hicks> Back when LUGs were something you went to 'cause no one had Internet access and you needed to grab isos from the one guy who worked at a company big enough to have a T1 line for data... before LUGs just became groups of people showing off their 1337 Ubuntu installs.
[14:17] <LinuxyErin> for my 1440x900 resolution i had to tweaak the crap out of x
[14:17] <Alan_Hicks> jkwood: For the most part, yes.  Some chips better than others.
[14:18] <Alan_Hicks> Wide-screen is still sometimes tricky for X -configure to work out.
[14:18] <jkwood> Yeah, I had noticed that.
[14:18] <mikk0> what glibc version is slackware 12.0 ?
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[14:19] <dartmouth> yeah it is.  i really need to read up on how that works as it will ignore resolutions i know my monitor can do, and driver can support as I've done it before, even though I manually specified them.
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[14:20] <dartmouth> just does not pick them up.
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[14:21] <jkwood> mikk0: 2.7
[14:21] <mikk0> ok
[14:22] Action: dartmouth closes his eyes and hits enter on that last upgradepkg entry
[14:22] <acidchild> BANG BOOM
[14:23] Action: antler kicks acidchild in the nutz then gives him a jay for the pain
[14:23] <dartmouth> ew.  that stuff is so bad for your brain
[14:24] <Alan_Hicks> "kicks acidchild in the nuts"  <----- gets nothing
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[14:24] <Alan_Hicks> "gives him a jay" <---- gets "ew"
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[14:24] <dartmouth> lol
[14:25] <antler> maybe dartmouth gets sexual gratification from being kicked in the nuts. so, for him, getting kicked there is normal, if not enjoyable :P
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[14:26] <dartmouth> antler: my brass pair can take the punishment if you're about 5'2", weight 130 lbs, and 20 of those pounds produce milk.
[14:26] Action: Alan_Hicks looks out the window at his heifer.
[14:26] <Alan_Hicks> You sure about that?
[14:26] <antler> hahahah
[14:27] <dartmouth> Alan_Hicks: hah!  that one is 'no longer around'.
[14:27] <Alan_Hicks> What?
[14:27] <dartmouth> I, uhm...'restaffed'.
[14:27] <straterra> Why the name change?
[14:27] <straterra> Trying to outrun your destiny?
[14:27] <dartmouth> it's a result of the restaffing.
[14:28] <Alan_Hicks> If you restaffed, no wonder you're not concerned about a kick in the nuts.
[14:28] <Alan_Hicks> Gives new meaning to the phrase "laid off".
[14:28] <straterra> Alan_Hicks: we aren't allowed to talk like that..might be kids around o.O
[14:28] <dartmouth> Alan_Hicks: tell me about it.  they no longer have sensation.  I figure when the bruises start to heal they'll be functional again lol
[14:28] <Alan_Hicks> Oh no!  Save the children!
[14:29] <straterra> Yeah
[14:29] <jkwood> Won't someone think of the children!
[14:29] <jkwood> Besides Michael Jackson, of course.
[14:29] <Alan_Hicks> Point out a kid in the IRC channel that ain't heard worse at school and I'll just kick the little ones out.
[14:29] <straterra> Alan_Hicks: Hey..I'm just saying what I was told yesterday
[14:29] <Alan_Hicks> jkwood: HAHAHA
[14:30] <Alan_Hicks> straterra: Well, all ops feel differently I'm sure.  I mean, we're only human after all.
[14:30] <straterra> I wonder what will arrive first..the new shifter knob i ordered today..or the thumb drive i ordered tuesday
[14:30] <dartmouth> you guys are human?!
[14:30] <straterra> Everyone but you is
[14:30] <Alan_Hicks> There's a certain limit that I won't tolerate, and to be honest, that limit changes with my mood and what's going on in the channel.
[14:30] <dartmouth> I thought you were aim bots.
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[14:30] <Necos> that's the lie they tell little children
[14:30] <straterra> You're 3 brain cells away from primordal goop, dartmouth
[14:30] <antler> ya gotta like a dynamic op, though... :P
[14:30] <jkwood> Well... Alan_Hicks is mostly pickled, but otherwise human.
[14:31] <Alan_Hicks> I mean, if some one's asking a legitimate question, I'll try to tone down the channel so folks can focus on that.
[14:31] <straterra> Is it kosher pickling?
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[14:31] <Alan_Hicks> Otherwise, I usually don't give a shit.
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[14:31] <straterra> So like..the jews will date him?
[14:31] <Necos> we regenerate Alan_Hicks as needed
[14:31] <dartmouth> wait.  pickled?  louisiana hot sauce picked or bread&butter because that makes all the difference
[14:31] <Alan_Hicks> Jewish mothers know better than to let their daughters date me.
[14:31] <straterra> Who said anything about daughters?
[14:31] <Necos> no they didn't...
[14:31] <straterra> We know who you are :P
[14:31] <Alan_Hicks> s/Jewish m/M/
[14:31] <dartmouth> lollll
[14:32] <Necos> lol
[14:32] <dartmouth> oh god.  i just ran out of disk space during my install
[14:32] <straterra> You'd prolly date the mothers..
[14:32] <straterra> You are old
[14:32] <straterra> dartmouth: FAIL
[14:32] <Necos> LOL
[14:32] <dartmouth> oh this is bad
[14:32] <straterra> Wake up with herpes and a mexican tatoo on your butt cheek FAIL
[14:32] Action: antler wonders whether the jewish stereotype applies to their practices in bed as well as their management of moola
[14:32] <Necos> you didn't get the memo
[14:32] <Alan_Hicks> dartmouth: Format, re-install.
[14:33] <Necos> antler: tight?
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[14:33] <antler> oooo "tight" is even better than "cheap", "stingy"
[14:33] <straterra> o.O
[14:34] <straterra> errr wow
[14:34] <Necos> LOL
[14:34] <Alan_Hicks> Ok now, racial stuff I won't tolerate.
[14:34] <antler> sorry i didn't for it to come out as a blatant racist remark
[14:34] <Alan_Hicks> For the record, it didn't.
[14:34] <straterra> My comments weren't to be racial..they were addressing the whole "Jewish people need kosher food" thing
[14:34] <straterra> o.O
[14:34] <jkwood> Will you tolerate glacial stuff?
[14:34] <Necos> lol
[14:35] <dartmouth> oh ok i know what i did.  i put the -current repo on my / instead of /home mount
[14:35] <straterra> Think of the ice!
[14:35] <Alan_Hicks> I just wanted to head it off before things got out of hand.  Those sort of remarks have a habit of esculating.
[14:35] <Alan_Hicks> glacial stuff?  Sure.
[14:35] <jkwood> There's always that one person...
[14:35] <straterra> The poor poor ice
[14:35] <Alan_Hicks> Of course, global warming is complete horse shit if you ask me.
[14:35] <antler> how about facial stuff? :P
[14:35] <straterra> Stop being glacist!
[14:35] <sitwon> straterra: not racial, but religious. The eastern/russian orthodox also  eat kosher
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[14:36] <dartmouth> straterra: glaciers.  god.  all they do is talk about how they 'suffer'.  'Suffer!  Oi how we suffer!'.  And they're so stingy about their mineral deposite ;d
[14:36] <antler> hm... i guess the women in here don't like, um, facials anymore
[14:36] <Necos> women? they exist on the intarweb?
[14:36] <antler> haha
[14:36] <Alan_Hicks> There's women in here?  I thought straterra ran them all off years ago.
[14:36] <straterra> No
[14:36] <dartmouth> LinuxyErin: is a woman.
[14:37] <straterra> I chloroformed them..and they never escaped my basement..I didn't run them off
[14:37] <Alan_Hicks> Well there you go.
[14:37] <straterra> There's a difference, sir
[14:37] <Necos> damn it, straterra you stingy bastard...
[14:37] <straterra> It's not my fault I'm the leading seller of chloroform in the midwest
[14:37] <LinuxyErin> lol
[14:37] <Alan_Hicks> That would be purchaser.
[14:37] <straterra> Women just..fall at my product
[14:38] <straterra> I'm a reseller too
[14:38] <Necos> well damn it...
[14:38] <straterra> I'm the main reason nerds in the midwest even HAVE a sex life
[14:38] <Necos> share the wealth
[14:38] <jkwood> He's his own best customer.
[14:38] <straterra> Do you know how much profit I make around prom from the chess club?!
[14:38] <acidchild> 2.50$?
[14:38] <straterra> No
[14:38] <Alan_Hicks> Oh God.... I can see it now....
[14:39] <straterra> BILLIONS
[14:39] <Necos> do you have enough money to sue microsoft yet?
[14:39] <dartmouth> billions of chess pieces?
[14:39] <Alan_Hicks> "Hey baby, you're a real queen.  Want to see my rook?"
[14:39] <acidchild> haha
[14:39] <Necos> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[14:39] <acidchild> Necos: i can't wait ;X
[14:39] <antler> hahah
[14:40] <Alan_Hicks> "If you let me get my pawn all the way in, it'll become a knight!"
[14:40] <straterra> And when that fails..
[14:40] <jkwood> >_<
[14:40] <straterra> They use Thomas's Date Rape Kit..comes with Date Rape tape, paper bags, condoms, and a 400ml bottle of chloroform
[14:40] Action: kethry is SO glad she never joined the chess club at school
[14:40] <Necos> LOL
[14:40] <antler> hahah
[14:40] <dartmouth> straterra: the newer versions have rohypnol
[14:41] <straterra> Shush you
[14:41] Action: dartmouth cowers
[14:41] <straterra> you're ruining my business
[14:41] <antler> hey that kit could come in handy. how do i order one? :P
[14:41] <Necos> roofy colada ftw
[14:41] <straterra> Why sir..you may place an order through me
[14:41] <straterra> Bah..roofies are lame..you gotta time it right and everything
[14:42] <straterra> chloroform in the opportunists..tool
[14:42] <dartmouth> it needs a warantee
[14:42] <dartmouth> like
[14:42] <straterra> Like.. "Oh..need to blow your nose?"
[14:42] <jkwood> He'll do an in-home demonstration if you like.
[14:42] <dartmouth> if the kit doesn't work straterra drives out to your house and hits her with a crowbar
[14:42] <straterra> Crowbars are too messy..amateur
[14:42] <Necos> you have to use a tranq dart
[14:42] <Alan_Hicks> taser
[14:42] <straterra> Taser
[14:42] <antler> hey speaking about these drugs, does a spanish fly really work?
[14:42] <dartmouth> sort of
[14:42] <dartmouth> it's actually a deadly poison
[14:43] <Alan_Hicks> Of course, knowing straterra he'd just shoot her in the head with a 9mm and that would be fine for him.
[14:43] <dartmouth> and it just irritates your urethral lining
[14:43] <straterra> 9mm?
[14:43] <straterra> come on
[14:43] <straterra> I hate 9mm
[14:43] <antler> dartmouth: you've tried?
[14:43] <straterra> Gimme some credit..
[14:43] <straterra> .45
[14:43] <dartmouth> it sort of tricks you into being aroused with the chemicals eating away at your lining
[14:43] <antler> dartmouth: oh nasty
[14:44] <Necos> wow... that doesn't make pants happy >.>
[14:44] <dartmouth> kind of.  if you're going that route you're better off with more conventional medicines, like cocaine.  not that I condone that.
[14:44] <antler> huh? cocaine doesn't make one horny...
[14:45] <straterra> eh
[14:45] <dartmouth> no comment.
[14:45] <antler> does it?
[14:45] <acidchild> EH?
[14:45] <Alan_Hicks> Only in ##slackware could some one consider cocaine to be a "conventional medicine".
[14:45] <dartmouth> acidchild: you mean 'E'
[14:45] <straterra> No..
[14:45] <Necos> lol
[14:45] <straterra> Only chris punches would
[14:45] <acidchild> dartmouth: that makes the old jolly not so attentive actully
[14:45] <straterra> There's a difference..don't make us all be at his level
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[14:45] <Necos> lol
[14:45] <dartmouth> Alan_Hicks: actually it was used pretty widely in OTC medications until it was outlawed.  it's PRE-conventional.
[14:46] <acidchild> meth is the manwhore drug
[14:46] <dartmouth> ....not that I condone it.
[14:46] <Necos> codine and stuff, eh?
[14:46] <Alan_Hicks> That's like saying "I broke my leg and it hurts, so I'll just shoot some heroin and be ok."
[14:46] <dartmouth> haha
[14:46] <dartmouth> LOL!
[14:46] <acidchild> Alan_Hicks: works for a few hours =P
[14:46] <antler> but he WOULD be ok, though
[14:46] <Alan_Hicks> dartmouth: Why do I even bother with you?  Those were far from conventional medicines.  They were snake-oil treatments.
[14:46] <jkwood> Sounds like Max Payne or System Shock to me.
[14:46] <dartmouth> until he starts peeling his face off with parts of the bathroom mirror
[14:47] <Necos> lol
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[14:47] <Necos> reminds me of that woman that hadher face eaten after she was all-super-high
[14:47] <dartmouth> Alan_Hicks: because secretly I remind you of a younger, better looking Alan_Hicks? :D
[14:47] <straterra> God..I feel sorry for you Alan_Hicks..
[14:47] <Alan_Hicks> Quawmire- "How'd all this skin get on my arm?"
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[14:47] <straterra> If thats the case
[14:48] <Alan_Hicks> dartmouth: No, you remind me of a younger, uglier, dumber Lassie.
[14:48] <Necos> lol
[14:48] <dartmouth> lol
[14:48] Action: straterra snickers
[14:48] <Necos> hehehe
[14:48] <straterra> Hold on
[14:48] <dartmouth> actually if i just barked and posted debugging messages i might be more productive here.
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[14:48] <Necos> you would be ^_^
[14:48] <Necos> not might
[14:49] <Necos> but i wouldn't be laughing nearly as hard
[14:49] <dartmouth> lol
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[14:49] <Necos> dartmouth is my lunchtime entertainment
[14:49] <Necos> lol
[14:49] <dartmouth> yeah, well, eat me.
[14:50] <Necos> no thanks... humans don't taste very good
[14:50] <dartmouth> I'm an aim bot.  I taste like copper.
[14:50] <Alan_Hicks> He'd probably get food poisoning.
[14:50] <Necos> and i don't eat dog... that'd make me dumber >.>
[14:50] <straterra> http://noobfarm.org/index.php?id=1460
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[14:51] <Necos> lol
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[14:52] <dartmouth> thanks
[14:53] <dartmouth> you should give me a special section on noobfarms, I bet I'm responsible for at least 10% of those entries between 2006-2007
[14:53] <straterra> No
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[14:53] <Necos> i remember someone saying that original coca cola had trace amounts of cocaine in it... nowadays, they just switched it out for synthetic cocaine ^_~
[14:53] <Alan_Hicks> The operative word here is "special".
[14:54] <dartmouth> hah
[14:54] <Necos> LOL
[14:54] <drijen> greetings Alan_Hicks
[14:54] <straterra> You don't even deserve your share of oxygen..we aren't doing anything else for you
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[14:54] <Alan_Hicks> Necos: That's true, but it's actually not how Coca-Cola got its name as commonly believed.
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[14:54] <Alan_Hicks> drijen: Howdy.
[14:54] <dartmouth> i will try to breathe faster then so i can hog it
[14:54] <drijen> Alan_Hicks: while i am thinking about it, I need to pass along a thank you from a buddy from school for the slackbook
[14:54] <drijen> Alan_Hicks: i gave him the link awhile back, he said it helped him quite a bit
[14:55] <Alan_Hicks> drijen: Thanks!  I appreciate that.
[14:55] <drijen> ./bow
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[14:56] <dartmouth> ./arrow
[14:57] <Necos> death...
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[14:58] <antler> hmmm... someone(not saying who) hasn't grasped the concept of a homonym :P
[14:58] <jkwood> Deeth?  Dathe?  I don't get it.
[14:58] <dartmouth> i have, but i just wiped out that understanding trying to install an a full disk
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[14:59] <antler> dartmouth: ah.... hehe
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[14:59] <antler> jkwood: wth is 'deeth' and 'dathe' lol
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[15:00] <jkwood> antler: Not homonyms for death, apparently.
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[15:03] <Necos> hahahaha
[15:03] <antler> actually it seems that i don't understand homonyms. while "bow" (as in bow and arrow) and "bow" (as in bow down to tha bow wow) are spelled the same, they're pronounced differently. :(
[15:04] <antler> ...and i think a requirement is that they must sound the same as well as be spelled the same. damn english.
[15:05] <Alan_Hicks> There's also bow as in "bow tie".
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[15:05] <dartmouth> yeah i think it's just a pun
[15:05] <antler> Alan_Hicks: yeah, but "bow tie" is probably considered one word
[15:05] <dartmouth> or....
[15:05] <dartmouth> a PUNches.
[15:06] <Alan_Hicks> Or the "bow" on top of a wrapped birthday present.
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[15:06] <antler> Alan_Hicks: yeah that's better
[15:06] Action: jkwood immolates dartmouth 
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[15:07] <dartmouth> :(  I don't even LIKE your deity.
[15:07] <antler> jkwood: that would mean those who attack him get hurt
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[15:08] <Necos> the searge is dead... get the...
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[15:10] <jkwood> dartmouth: Build a man a fire, you keep him warm for a day.  Set a man on fire, and you'll keep him warm for the rest of his life.
[15:10] <theblackbox> hello all, I'm building the SB of PHP 5.2.9 on my 12.2 box and I'm getting an error during the config and looks like  I need to install libc-client-dev (but that was from a debian forum) anyone know the right package, tried s.com/slackpkg/sbopkg
[15:10] <antler> anyone know why 'colonel' is pronounced 'kernel'? always wondered that....
[15:10] <antler> jkwood: hahah
[15:10] <dartmouth> ooh.  i like that jkwood.  mind if i steal it?
[15:11] <Alan_Hicks> antler: It's probably French in origin or something.
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[15:11] <Alan_Hicks> theblackbox: Why are you recompiling php?
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[15:11] <theblackbox> didn't have pgsql
[15:11] <jkwood> dartmouth: I reserve the right to set people in ## on fire.
[15:12] <Alan_Hicks> That'd be a good reason.  Sorry, but I really don't know what's wrong there and can't be much help to you.
[15:12] Action: Alan_Hicks grants jkwood that right.
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[15:12] <jkwood> \o/
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[15:14] <theblackbox> jkwood, do it in ##philosophy ..... that place grieves me french
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[15:14] <dartmouth> Alan_Hicks: i noticed the pkgtools package in -current is still versioned 12.1....?
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[15:16] <Alan_Hicks> dartmouth: And you're pointing this out to me specificaly, because....
[15:16] <theblackbox> Alan_Hicks, no worries, sure I can dig it out somewhere
[15:16] <dartmouth> because i want you to update pkgtools? :D
[15:16] <theblackbox> gbonvehim, ping?
[15:17] <Alan_Hicks> dartmouth: Oh!  I see.  Let me get right on that.  For the time being, let me recommend that you do the following....
[15:17] <dartmouth> hah
[15:17] Action: dartmouth looks for the retractable baton and vaseline
[15:17] <Alan_Hicks> mv installpkg-12.1-foo installpkg-12.2-foo.
[15:17] <dartmouth> oh.  that's what you meant.  yeah.  yeah, i can do that :)
[15:18] <Alan_Hicks> Guess what?  There's other crap that hasn't changed since 12.1 as well.  You want to put an entry saying it was updated and just change the version number?  Sure!  I can do that.
[15:18] <Alan_Hicks> Dumb-ass.
[15:18] <dartmouth> ouch.
[15:18] <antler> hahaha
[15:19] <dartmouth> well, in all fairness, the naming scheme could account for alot the problems that come up with mixmatched packages.  $package-name_$version-$slackware_version-$cpu-arch.tar.gz
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[15:20] <Alan_Hicks> The packages haven't CHANGED!
[15:20] <dartmouth> so that people dont try to install the kde4 packages from current thinking its compatible because of a note in the changelogs... ;)
[15:20] <Alan_Hicks> They haven't changed!  Don't you understand that?!
[15:21] <dartmouth> eh.  i think you missed what i was saying
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[15:21] <antler> theblackbox: you still visit ##philosophy? doesn't it tire you? :P
[15:22] <Necos> dartmouth: i think everyone missed what you were saying
[15:22] <theblackbox> lol, mostly
[15:24] <dartmouth> im not thrilled about suggesting changing naming schemes, i just feel like it would clear up alot of confusion about package tracking if the version of slack it was compiled for were appended to the filename
[15:24] <antler> theblackbox: man it took me 10 years of university and years of work to fully understand that philosophy is best done on sunday afternoons when the lawn has been cut and the leaves have been raked
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[15:26] <antler> (my lawn's never mowed and the leaves never raked)
[15:27] <Necos> you sir, are wise
[15:27] <theblackbox> lol
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[15:29] <antler> Necos: i'm about as wise as socrates was for choosing to drink the hemlock :P
[15:30] <theblackbox> mmmm sweet Hemliqour!
[15:30] Action: theblackbox falls over cursing plato
[15:30] <Necos> hey, if it worked for him...
[15:31] <dartmouth> I'm assuming you're confessing to have gotten married.
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[15:32] <Necos> no, i haven't signed that death warrant yet
[15:33] <theblackbox> anyone know what/where the equiv of libc-client-dev debian package is in slackware
[15:33] <Necos> glibc?
[15:33] <jkwood> theblackbox: I'm guessing it's not going to be called -dev, for one thing.
[15:35] <dartmouth> locate slackbuilds | grep libc | grep slack-desc
[15:35] <jkwood> No, actually, that's not glibc, despite the close naming.
[15:35] <theblackbox> not sure if it's glibc I got that installed
[15:35] <jkwood> No, that's definitely libc-client, which apparently has something to do with IMAP.
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[15:36] <Necos> hmmmm
[15:36] <Necos> it was written as part of the university of washington imap server...
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[15:36] <SpacePlod> error_developer_: ?
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[15:37] <dartmouth> theblackbox: i would obtain the original source and just build it
[15:38] <dartmouth> of course who would listen to the guy un-borking his system
[15:38] <theblackbox> lol, I just can't find it anywhere thogh
[15:38] <theblackbox> can find some rpms
[15:38] <maddslacker> what are we fixing today?
[15:39] Action: maddslacker just discovered /current update broke sound
[15:39] <jkwood> maddslacker: In KDE?  Using Phonon with the gstreamer backend?
[15:39] <dartmouth> there was a package like that for me the other day.  it ended up being part of another package.  i actually think it might have been a glibc thing...
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[15:40] <Necos> libc-client
[15:40] <Necos> hmmmm
[15:40] <dartmouth> Necos: what is it a dependency for?
[15:41] <theblackbox> hmmm.... all I can figure is to get the deb source and tias
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[15:41] <Necos> looks like a dependency for an imap server, so i'm guessing that it might be part of imapd in slack
[15:42] <jkwood> Hmm... no nullboy.
[15:42] <Necos> theblackbox: download the tgz in to a temp directory, and then explodepkg it
[15:42] <Necos> and see if it has any of the same files
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[15:42] <dartmouth> i think the reason he's looking would determine that Necos...if he's building and it's looking for the specific package and he did a full install...
[15:42] <theblackbox> Necos, I got imapd installed. Whattgz you mean?
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[15:44] <maddslacker> jkwood, heh, update had muted PCM in alsamixer
[15:44] <maddslacker> that was easy
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[15:44] <Necos> the imapd tgz lol
[15:45] <theblackbox> I got the latest so I'm guessing that rules it out?
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[15:45] <Necos> i think i should ask, what are you compiling?
[15:45] <Necos> and why haven't i suggested using alien yet? >.>
[15:45] <theblackbox> php
[15:45] <theblackbox> I need pgsql support
[15:45] Action: Necos barfs
[15:45] <theblackbox> who's he?
[15:46] <Necos> alien is a package converter
[15:46] <dartmouth> is that reliable now?
[15:46] <theblackbox> you not a postgres fan ;)
[15:46] <antler> anyone watching tv with a hauppage hvr 1600 on a slack box so i know there's hope and that my recent efforts haven't been in vain?
[15:46] <Necos> no, i'm not a php fan
[15:46] <Necos> there's a difference
[15:46] <theblackbox> ahh
[15:46] <antler> *hauppauge
[15:47] <dartmouth> i was talking about alien
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[15:47] <theblackbox> just need to get drupal up and running, not too much into php myself, but trupal is tight
[15:47] <dartmouth> dude if you're just doing it for drupal, then just enable mysql
[15:48] <dartmouth> it comes with slackware
[15:48] <dartmouth> you're making it way more work than it needs to be
[15:48] <theblackbox> meh, I use pg at work and wanna get into it's.... "habits"
[15:48] <dartmouth> oh
[15:48] <Necos> so did you install pg already? =p
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[15:49] <theblackbox> and I have vague notions that there are efficiency benefits (?)
[15:49] <theblackbox> Necos, yep ;)
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[15:49] <dartmouth> Necos: you were right about that being an imap server library
[15:49] <theblackbox> and php... twice!.... but none had the shared lib I need to enable pg/php support =|
[15:50] <dartmouth> i would imagine you can wing libc-client on its own with some careful building if you can grab the imap daemon source
[15:50] <theblackbox> .... I'm gonna have an ask around in ##php see if anyone in there is helpful but might have to end up doin that
[15:51] <Necos> and you didn't compile php from source?
[15:52] <Necos> the first thing you should do is look at the slackbuild and see what options are included... you would have saved yourself some trouble ;)
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[15:54] <theblackbox> Necos, yeah true, but I expected pg support out the bag
[15:54] <phrag> alright lads =)
[15:54] <theblackbox> how do phrag
[15:54] <dartmouth> yo
[15:54] <phrag> day at the beach, feeling good =)
[15:54] <Necos> hide your fps's, phrag's here
[15:54] <phrag> hows you guys?
[15:55] <phrag> =P
[15:56] <chopp> antler: I had my hvr1600 working fine on about 12.0..so theres hope for you yet. ;)
[15:56] Action: theblackbox is good but gettin vexed by postgres/php =\
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[15:57] <hackedhead> php = php hypertext pre-mangler
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[15:59] <theblackbox> better than struts ;P
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[16:10] <dartmouth> wow, initrd is required now?  what is up with that?
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[16:10] <thrice`> RTFM
[16:11] <thrice`> a) it's not requred, b) it's been like that for a couple years
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[16:11] <DeeeeP> hugesmp dont use initrd
[16:12] <theblackbox> thrice`, you know what would be best? I'm about to build from the libc-client-dev sources I got from debian package repo
[16:12] <thrice`> well, what's asking for it?
[16:13] <theblackbox> php build enabled with pgsql thingy
[16:13] <thrice`> you are modifying the slackware build?
[16:13] <theblackbox> yeah
[16:13] <thrice`> er, slackware SlackBuild
[16:13] <theblackbox> lol
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[16:14] <thrice`> that seems like a silly dep
[16:14] <DeeeeP> thrice`, why u sayed RTFM ? u know something about newer kernels have initrd ?
[16:14] <thrice`> no, cpunches in general needs to rtfm :)
[16:14] <theblackbox> haha, still!?
[16:14] <DeeeeP> ok :)
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[16:15] <phrag> omg, that dudes not still alive is he
[16:15] <theblackbox> haha
[16:15] <thrice`> or, rtf-(/boot/README.initrd)
[16:15] <thrice`> yes, it's dartmouth  :>
[16:15] <phrag> hey thrice` =)
[16:16] <thrice`> how goes, phrag ?
[16:16] <phrag> good man, how about yourself?
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[16:16] <thrice`> good, about a half-hour 'til the weekend here
[16:16] <dive> phrag, I mailed that utf map to Pat
[16:17] <phrag> ah good one man =)
[16:17] <dive> i see another load of updates in current - 2.6.28.8
[16:18] <dive> and glibc stuff
[16:18] <phrag> oh i've not followed -current for a ages
[16:18] <dive> i installed on one box to check out some stuff
[16:18] <dive> svga mainly
[16:18] <phrag> yeah i ran it for years, just don't have the time right now
[16:19] <dive> seems to be working - I don't know how much having a kernel module actually influenced things
[16:19] <dive> mplayer plays with no problem, links -g works too
[16:19] <dive> on an 850mz T21
[16:20] <dive> but I definitely keep it on a spare box now - keep stable on the other 2
[16:20] <phrag> everyone flaunts there multi core uber boxen at me daily... my main box is still a p4 2.6... it does me well until i have to run VM's
[16:21] <dive> yeah that's the slow down on mine too
[16:21] <dive> well my fastest is a 2ghz athlon xp
[16:21] <theblackbox> I've had a lot of trouble with my NV GPUs recently, x freezes and glitches tile on the svga
[16:22] <dive> theblackbox, I will check that out - have an NV on one of mine
[16:22] <theblackbox> need to figure out what's doing that as I wanna use them to make up for not being able to upgrade my CPU
[16:22] <theblackbox> dive, I'm not on current though
[16:22] <theblackbox> 12.2
[16:22] <dive> no my NV box is 12.2
[16:22] <theblackbox> ahh cool
[16:22] <dive> nvid 6800 gt so it is quite old though
[16:23] <antler> chopp: ah hope is good :)
[16:23] <theblackbox> it could be something to do with my xconf setup and SLI mode, but not sure
[16:23] <theblackbox> dive, think mine are that era too
[16:23] <dive> not noticed any problems with X
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[16:23] <dive> but I will checkout svga
[16:23] <theblackbox> maybe a 800 and 2 7300s (not sure the numbers off top m head)
[16:24] <theblackbox> *6800
[16:24] <dive> which driver version?
[16:24] <chopp> antler: are you aware of the ivtv mailing list?
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[16:24] <antler> chopp: i became aware of it as soon as you mentioned it just now :P i'm looking it up on google
[16:25] <chopp> antler: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/users/
[16:25] <theblackbox> dive, 17.82 slackbuild
[16:25] <theblackbox> *177
[16:25] Action: theblackbox needs a new keyboard!
[16:25] <antler> chopp: oh cool, thanks. this should help
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[16:25] <dive> have you tried installing any versions straight from nv?
[16:26] <dive> might be worth a test
[16:26] <dive> someone mentioned in here the other day there was a version that didn't play well
[16:26] <theblackbox> will give it a shot
[16:26] <dive> at the moment the latest is around 180.x
[16:26] <dive> look on sbo first though see if theres an update
[16:27] <antler> 180.29 i think...
[16:27] <Pig_Pen> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_180.29.html
[16:28] <chopp> antler: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Cx18#Introduction
[16:28] <theblackbox> nice
[16:28] <theblackbox> still.... can't get php built =S
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[16:29] <antler> chopp: yeah, just found that
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[16:30] <chopp> antler: search my nick on that list might help you too.
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[16:30] <firebird619> I am trying to install lilypond, but I get an error saying to install required programs mf-nowin mf mfw mfont. These aren't on SBo. Is there a reputable place to get a slackbuild for these, or is the best to get the source and compile?
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[16:31] <thrice`> firebird619: "
[16:31] <thrice`> You will need to have FontForge and mftrace installed in order to build"
[16:32] <firebird619> thrice`: I do have those installed.
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[16:32] <antler> chopp: will do. thanks :) (/me is noticing that it's a bit more involved than simply modprobe cx18 :P )
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[16:33] <thrice`> firebird619: anythign on SBo must also have all necessary deps on SBo.  if you have both installed and it is still complaining, I'd report it to #slackbuilds
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[16:33] <firebird619> thrice`: Ok, I will do that. Thank you.
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[16:34] <chopp> antler: you just need the firmware from the cd.
[16:35] <tntslack> firebird619 try to install it with slacky.eu with slapt-get
[16:35] <tntslack> i am sure it will work
[16:35] <ccfreak2k> slapt-get is not supported here.
[16:35] <tntslack> here is where?
[16:35] <thrice`> that's actually terrible advice
[16:35] <dive> bad
[16:36] <tntslack> it's an easy way...
[16:36] <thrice`> "just start installing crap from random locations until it works"
[16:36] <dive> firebird619, did you have any luck with scanner btw?
[16:36] <firebird619> dive: No, it still isn't working.
[16:36] <dive> hmm
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[16:36] <dive> did you check on sane website for compatablity and for which backend to use?
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[16:37] <firebird619> dive: I was taking a break from that because the MIDI cable for my music keyboard came today, so I was messing with that, hence trying to install lilypond. (I don't know how to play piano yet, but am trying to teach myself.) :)
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[16:37] <dive> ah right np then - have a music break - always good :-)
[16:38] <antler> chopp: omg what a dummy i am--i remember now seeing a linux directory on the cd that the card came with. *sigh* this is proof i can't handle thc
[16:38] <firebird619> dive: Yes, I didn't see mine listed on sane's website, so I assume it uses a backend provided by the drivers for the scanner maybe.
[16:38] <dive> sometimes they do provide
[16:38] <ccfreak2k> Hmm.
[16:38] <dive> which make is it?
[16:38] <ccfreak2k> OpenAL's pkgconfig file is broken.
[16:39] <firebird619> dive: Brother MFC-240C
[16:39] Action: chopp burns antlers thc
[16:39] Action: antler inhales the fumes :P
[16:39] <chopp> haha
[16:39] <nooper> is /etc/ssl/certs supposed to be empty?
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[16:39] <chopp> omg you're ALL addicted
[16:40] <nix_chix> i spawned!
[16:40] <dive> congratz :-)
[16:40] <Pig_Pen> congratulatons!
[16:40] <chopp> nix_chix: maybe baby?
[16:40] <chopp> awsome..congrats
[16:40] <firebird619> nix_chix: Congratulations. :)
[16:40] <dive> nix_chix, did the cord problems sort themselves out, or section?
[16:40] <antler> nix_chix: congratulations :)
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[16:41] <Pig_Pen> how many pounds was the baby @ birth?
[16:41] <dive> nix_chix has spawned a -current
[16:41] <nix_chix> 7lbs even 19inches
[16:41] <Pig_Pen> nice healthy baby :D
[16:41] <antler> heh i'm crazier than i thought: there is NO linux directory on the cd. /me does the funky chicken and dies
[16:41] <acidchild> nix_chix: cool
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[16:42] <dive> antler, it was probably wishfull thinking that created that illusion ;-)
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[16:42] <Snaker> hi everybody!
[16:42] <dive> open a cd and see a /linux dir
[16:42] <antler> dive: i'm dead and can't hear you
[16:42] <dive> lol
[16:42] <chopp> antler: you can also get the firmware from that link I posted.
[16:42] <firebird619> dive: I found it on SANE. It uses brother2 backend.
[16:42] <Snaker> how can i install slackware from an usb pen?
[16:43] <firebird619> dive: MFC-240C	USB	0x04f9/0x01ab	Good	Reportedly working.
[16:43] <dive> firebird619, right that's a step forward - just fix the backend/config etc
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[16:43] <chopp> antler: but they are on the cd. ;)
[16:43] <firebird619> dive: Heh. I have to figure out how first. :)
[16:43] <firebird619> dive: Is it a sane config file I have to edit or what?
[16:44] <dive> i'll tell you in a sec - just have to look at mine to remind myself
[16:45] <firebird619> dive: Ok. I don't know how I missed that before, I guess I scrolled passed it or something.
[16:45] <firebird619> dive: It also says that that backend is provided by brother and can't be included in sane because it has non-free parts.
[16:46] <dive> :/
[16:46] <antler> chopp: yep
[16:46] <firebird619> dive: So, the drivers I installed should have put that backend somewhere, right? I just have to find it and tell sane to use it?
[16:46] <dive> yeah I just noticed there is no brother.conf
[16:47] <firebird619> :( I'm having this trouble with sane which stands for "Scanner Access Made Easy" It isn't easy for me. lol
[16:47] <dive> firebird619, didn't it come with a program? My epson has (admittedly very bad) driver and scan app
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[16:48] <firebird619> dive: It didn't come with a program, just drivers and a setup script and another package to install wich allows the quick access buttons on it to function.
[16:49] <firebird619> dive: Here is the directory tree or whatever of the brscan package: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/11189
[16:49] <dive> hmm and the driver is meant to work with sane?
[16:50] <dartmouth> aw man, its replacing my xfce...
[16:50] <dive> firebird619, have you tried running /usr/local/Brother/sane/setupSaneScan ?
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[16:51] <firebird619> dive: Yes, that adds "brother" to dll.conf
[16:51] <Necos> he said he did...
[16:52] <dive> ah
[16:52] <marco_> i need to recover FS for an usb drive, how can i do it with dosfsck ?
[16:52] <antler> chopp: "known not to work" from ivtv driver.org: Hauppauge WinTV HVR1500/1600 (CX23418 based) (there is a beta cx23418 driver here)
[16:53] <dive> i wonder if it would work if you created a brother.conf and put the right firmware and usb dev in there?
[16:53] <antler> beta it is, then
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[16:53] <moss23> hi, I can't set up other interfaces than wlan0 and eth0, and it doesn't depend on IFNAME set, how can I set eth1,2,3,4 ?
[16:53] <firebird619> dive: where would I put the brother.conf. Sorry, but I just don't know. :)
[16:54] <dive> /etc/sane.d/
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[16:54] <antler> oh the beta driver is the cx18. i'll just stop talking now :P
[16:54] <dive> and it may have to be brother2.conf
[16:54] <moss23> for instance eth0 works though there is no IFNAME[0], but eth1 can't be started despite IFNAME[1] is set
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[16:55] <firebird619> dive: Ok, I could try that, and what would I put in there, the location of the firmware and usb dev? On other distros I've used, I think I remember a brother.conf file installing to somewhere.
[16:55] <DeiBellum> looks as if someone is having fun with v4l
[16:55] <dive> firebird619, what is /usr/bin/brsaneconfig?
[16:56] <dive> have you tried that one?
[16:56] <firebird619> dive: Umm, I can't remember, I'm pretty sure I ran it, I just can't recall what it did, I will look, just a sec.
[16:56] <antler> chopp: jeez i'll just write this off as, "everyone's entitled to one of these days every now and again" :D
[16:57] <dive> firebird619, seems there should be a readme somewhere...
[16:57] <chopp> antler: thats fine, as long as you don't give up. :)
[16:57] <dive> on brother w/site maybe
[16:58] <firebird619> dive: That brsaneconfig isn't opening right, so I can't tell what's in it, I am working on it. :)
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[16:59] <firebird619> dive: Yeah, I haven't seen a readme on the site, but if I missed it on sane, I probably missed something on brother too. :D
[16:59] <DeiBellum> firebird619, are you trying to get a brother printer installed?
[16:59] <dive> scanner
[16:59] <DeiBellum> aha
[16:59] <dive> all in one
[17:00] <dive> which reminds me, my scanner woke up and made a funny noise the other night
[17:00] <dive> need to check it still works
[17:00] <firebird619> dive:  I tried using cat to see that brsaneconfig and just got a bunch of odd characters, etc.
[17:00] Action: theblackbox = catastrophic hard disk failure =(
[17:00] <DeiBellum> firebird619, is it a binary?
[17:00] <dive> er yeah you would, it's a binary file
[17:01] <firebird619> dive: Ah, that would explain that. I tried mousepad to, but that didn't show anything.
[17:01] <dive> firebird619, when you say it didn't open right can you be more specific?
[17:01] <firebird619> dive: Well, I guess what I mean is I tried opening with mousepad and it was blank.
[17:01] <dive> run it
[17:01] <dive> type it in terminal
[17:02] <dive> probably as root
[17:03] <dive> you may need to set DISPLAY first
[17:03] <firebird619> dive: I can see some of the stuff opening with kate, it says stuff about scanimage -L and Brsane.ini, sane-find-scanner, etc.
[17:03] <dive> like 'DISPLAY=:0.0 brsaneconfig'
[17:04] <firebird619> dive: This is what running it returns. http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/11197
[17:04] <theblackbox> is there another way to force my system to restart over ssh (rather than shutdown which seems to have gone missing =S)
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[17:05] <chopp> theblackbox: "shutdown -r now"
[17:05] <theblackbox> ^^ =P
[17:06] <firebird619> dive: so should I run brsaneconfig -a name=Brother-Scanner model=MFC-240C ?
[17:06] <theblackbox> I've just lost some of my partitions and don't seem to have a load of bins
[17:06] <dive> somethng like that
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[17:07] <theblackbox> doubt a hard reset is the least of my worries tbh
[17:07] <firebird619> dive: I'll give that a try. It isn't working now anyway, so I can't do too much damage. I don't think anyway. :)
[17:07] <dive> firebird619, that looks like it's only for network scanners.
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[17:07] <firebird619> dive: Yeah, it does. Should I not run it then?
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[17:08] <dive> I wouldn't bother unless it _is_ networked
[17:09] <firebird619> dive: No, it isn't. Here is the Brother Scanner FAQ page: http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/linux_faq.html
[17:10] <dive> not much help
[17:11] <firebird619> dive: No, not for my issue anyway.
[17:11] <dive> you really need a readme on installing and using it
[17:12] <dive> to be honest if they aren't giving away anything that can be used by sane I would email them and ask
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[17:12] <dive> when they get fed up with enquiries they might make an open source driver
[17:12] <dive> or whatever sane needs
[17:13] <firebird619> dive: Yeah, I haven't found that yet. I tried googling earlier about Slackware Brother MFC-240c and I found a page someone put up that said they just converted the rpm's with alien and installed and the scanner worked just like that. I wish it would have been that easy for me.
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[17:14] <DeiBellum> firebird619, have you tried using the rpm2tgz on the rpms that were found?
[17:15] <_juan> hi there! i was wondering if there are any known problems/bugs regarding usb webcams and slackware 12.2 because my genius webcam is not recognized by kopete and gives no output with skype
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[17:15] <firebird619> dive: This scanner worked before on Slackware, so I know it can again. It has also worked just fine on other distros I've used (namely Debian and Fedora). Debian I had to edit the libsane.rules file (which I did on Slackware too.) and in Fedora I just installed the packages and it worked. What is different in slackware that installing the packages didn't just work.
[17:15] <firebird619> DeiBellum: Yes, that is what I did to install the packages. I downloaded the packages, used rpm2tgz on them, and installed the packages it made.
[17:15] <DeiBellum> firebird619, ah ok
[17:15] <dive> firebird619, maybe sane took out the backend for brother at some point
[17:16] <firebird619> dive: Is there a way to query sane as to what backends it has on my system to make use of?
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[17:16] <dive> you could have a look at some of the older packages - untar them and see if you can find a brother backend
[17:17] <dive> well I think mostly just look at the files in /etc/sane.d/
[17:17] <firebird619> dive: Would it be just a file named brother or something else. I ask so I know what I'm looking for.
[17:17] <dive> I've no idea
[17:18] <dive> it might be called brother.conf or brother2.conf or some abreviated brxxx.conf
[17:18] <dive> have a search in 'file' mode on the slackware package browser for other slack versions perhaps
[17:19] <firebird619> dive: I just looked in /etc/sane.d and there is nothing brother related. I have Debian in a vbox (the one with USB support). If I installed the stuff in there, could I transfer the *.conf file from there to Slackware.
[17:19] <dive> depends- does the scanner work in a vm?
[17:20] <firebird619> dive: I am going to find out. :)
[17:20] <firebird619> dive: I think it does, I think I tried it before.
[17:20] <dive> if you say it works in other distros you can always grab the config file
[17:20] <moss23> please what do I have to do to enable eth1, eth2, eth3 ? I'm getting ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[17:21] <firebird619> dive: Yeah, but I don't have any other distros installed now except in vbox. I know it works in other distros because I used them before I switched to slackware.
[17:21] <nix_chix> edman007, nix_baby http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8076/oliverlee.jpg
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[17:22] <firebird619> dive: I have to do something to get Vbox to use USB on slackware don't I, add something to fstab or something?
[17:23] <dive> firebird619, no idea
[17:23] <Dominus> Does anyone have a copy of the remove_kde3.sh script?
[17:23] <firebird619> dive: Ok, I just thought I remember reading that somewhere.
[17:23] <dive> I only use the free version with a usb mouse
[17:24] <dive> vbox is well documented I think
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[17:26] <moss23> why eth0 may be up, but eth1 not
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[17:27] <firebird619> dive: Yep, I have to add something, I just have to go find what it is because I can't remember. :) Thanks for your time and patience and helping me.
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[17:30] <dive> firebird619, np
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[17:31] <slackytude> good evening
[17:32] <firebird619> slackytude: Good evening. How are you?
[17:32] <slackytude> firebird619, fine ^-^ did some workout and relaxing now
[17:32] <slackytude> how about you
[17:33] <firebird619> slackytude: I'm doing great. Thank you. :)
[17:33] <slackytude> you be at work?
[17:34] <firebird619> slackytude: me? No.
[17:34] <firebird619> slackytude: I'm working on getting my scanner working. :)
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[17:35] <slackytude> ahh, great fun
[17:36] <firebird619> slackytude: Oh yes, it sure is.
[17:36] <slackytude> ^-^
[17:36] <firebird619> slackytude: It will be even better fun when it is working. :)
[17:36] <slackytude> heh, sane trouble?
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[17:37] <firebird619> slackytude: Yeah, I guess you could say that for me, sane is insane.
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[17:37] <slackytude> I always found that name somewhat ironic. especially the "now easy" part
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[17:38] <firebird619> I am seeing on LinuxQuestions that to get USB in VBox, I need to edit rc.S with /sbin/mount -v usbfs /proc/bus/usb -t usbfs -o devgid=10,devmode=0664. Is that a good idea?
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[17:38] <firebird619> slackytude: Yeah, I eluded to that earlier as well that sane stands for Scanner Access Now Easy. Heh, it has been far from easy for me.
[17:39] <slackytude> you want to get that scanner working in VBox?
[17:39] <drijen> phrag: o/
[17:39] <firebird619> slackytude: No, but I remember that in Debian it installed a brother.conf or some .conf file, which isn't in Slackware, so I was going to install the scanner in Debian (which is in VBox) and find that file and transfer it over.
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[17:41] <firebird619> slackytude: I know that this scanner works with slackware. When I first switched to slackware, it was you and dissociative that helped me out with it. Now, however, the scanner isn't working and dive has been helping me and so now I was going to try and find that conf file and hope that helps.
[17:41] <slackytude> well, Its been a while since I tried something like that. I had a scanner with win95 drivers and needed it desperatly to get it to work, so I did the same like you, namely using a virtual machine and sharing usb access. didnt work out. I doubt that will be doable. but then again, its been a while...
[17:42] <antler> howdy slackytude :)
[17:42] <slackytude> y0 antler ^-^
[17:42] <tr0nd> yo guys!
[17:43] <dive> hieveryoneididntsaytohitoearlier
[17:43] <dive> btw
[17:43] <slackytude> yeah, what dive said
[17:43] <firebird619> slackytude: I have done that with other USB stuff, installed in VBox and had success, I believe I have done that also with this scanner a while back, but I can't remember.
[17:43] <firebird619> lol
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[17:43] <tr0nd> what are you guys up to
[17:43] <dive> oh we're just headdesk bashing
[17:44] <firebird619> dive: What, your spacebar broke now? Is that a result of helping me and pressing it to much.
[17:44] <slackytude> relaxing. ^-^ its me weekend
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[17:44] <tr0nd> i actually swapped OS yesterday on my desktop and laptop, from slackware to zenwalk. But keeping slackware with me on the server side
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[17:44] <tr0nd> and I have absolutely no idea why i just said that
[17:45] <dartmouth> ok.  it looks like this was fairly successful, but i am having an issue with my kernel.  as per the docs it should be all set, except that i am not able to build ndiswrapper for my new kernel post-current upgrade and and when i go to the source for the new kernel, i had to fix the symlink at /usr/src/linux to point to the new source, and it appears the source is actually  broken as make menuconfig no longer does anything
[17:45] <firebird619> slackytude: Do you remember what you did to get USB in VBox working? I found to edit rc.S, but is that a good idea?
[17:45] <dive> anyone had errors from cmake in current like 'Unknown CMake command "kde4_install_icons".'?
[17:46] <dive> all I can find are links say install dev packages...
[17:46] <slackytude> firebird619, uh, I didnt ^-^. never managed to do it. But I was in a hurry then. I needed to scan something. In the end I just went to a copy shop
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[17:46] <firebird619> slackytude: Ah, ok. Thanks.
[17:46] <dartmouth> i also got an error about a gcc version mismatch between installed gcc and the version of gcc used to compile the kernel when attempting to build the nvidia driver.
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[17:47] <slackytude> firebird619, sorry for not being more helpful.
[17:48] <dartmouth> has anyone run into similar issues during a -current upgrade from 12.2?
[17:48] <dive> if i comment out the CMakefile line that gives that error I just get a new different one. At this point I went to find a long rope and a tree...
[17:48] <firebird619> slackytude: That's ok. :) I am trying adding something to fstab now, do I have to restart for that to take affect, or is there a command I can run to do it?
[17:49] <dive> firebird619, you don't need to reboot for fstab changes, just use the 'mount' command
[17:49] <slackytude> firebird619, fstab changes are effective immediatly
[17:49] <antler> firebird619: i had to add a "none" line to the fstab
[17:49] <firebird619> antler: Yes, that's what I am doing now. So, that will take affect right away?
[17:50] <antler> firebird619: yes, just mount none after
[17:50] <tr0nd> are you guys using slackware on your "main machines"?
[17:50] <firebird619> antler: Ok, thanks.
[17:50] <dive> tr0nd, of course
[17:50] <slackytude> tr0nd, aye
[17:51] <tr0nd> I used to till yesterday night
[17:51] <antler> firebird619: make sure you have devmode=0666 and devgid= whatever yours is (vbox group)
[17:51] <moss23> what is the best way to permanently load tun module into kernel ?
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[17:51] <dive> (actually I locked mine up in the attic along with my batty 1/2 mad brother)
[17:51] <antler> mine happens to be devgid=102
[17:51] <dive> then isnatll ubuntu
[17:51] <ccfreak2k> Find/add it to /etc/rc.d/rc.modules-$(uname -r)?
[17:51] <dive> wow isnatll?
[17:51] <tr0nd> Slackware lacks very important stuff to make it suited for the Desktop
[17:52] <dive> think 'installed'
[17:52] <dive> such as?
[17:52] <slackytude> tr0nd, dont ruin my friday by trolling
[17:52] <firebird619> antler: Yeah, that is mine too, 102. :) Then, do I just do mount none, or do I mount it to somewhere?
[17:52] <tr0nd> a package manager like for instant netpkg or apt-get (just examples)
[17:52] <dive> ...
[17:52] <thrice`> slackware omits that feature on purpose
[17:52] <slackytude> too late
[17:52] <antler> firebird619: i just do mount none
[17:52] <chopp> /usr/brain
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[17:52] <tr0nd> thrice`, I know it does
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[17:53] <firebird619> antler: I tried that and got, [mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab. What did I do wrong?
[17:53] <tr0nd> if your gonna flame me, atleast prove me wrong or something
[17:53] <thrice`> prove you wrong how?
[17:53] <dive> firebird619, add a blank line at the bottom of fstab
[17:53] <slackytude> firebird619, its just a warning, should still work. and you missed a newline, apparently
[17:53] <firebird619> dive: Ah, Ok. Thanks.
[17:53] <moss23> ccfreak2k, to add "/sbin/modprobe tun" into /etc/rc.d/rc.modules ?
[17:53] <thrice`> people use slackware to AVOID dealing with a shitty package manager.  if you like one, feel free.  most slackware users hate tools like apt to control their system
[17:53] <antler> yeah
[17:53] <tr0nd> nevermind
[17:54] <firebird619> New line added. That solved that message. :)
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[17:54] <tr0nd> I'm not saying that slackware isn't great, it's awesome. But not on the desktop side compared to others
[17:54] <thrice`> I use it pretty successfully on my desktop :(
[17:55] <slackytude> tr0nd, --> #ubuntu
[17:55] <tr0nd> what's the matter with yoyu
[17:55] <tr0nd> that attitude
[17:55] <slackytude> its a slackytude
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[17:55] <Prefect> th0nd, everyone here for the most part will agree with you ;)
[17:56] <thrice`> i agree to your point, but disagree that slackware isn't good on the desktop
[17:56] <pprkut> slackware's package management is AWESOME, ESPECIALLY on the desktop
[17:56] <tr0nd> pprkut, which one?
[17:56] <tr0nd> thrice`, what do you think makes slackware good on the desktop front
[17:56] <pprkut> umm, I love installpkg, but upgradepkg is great too. If I had to choose, I would probably go with that one
[17:57] <slackytude> pprkut, heh
[17:57] <tr0nd> pprkut, that is not what I meant, i meant more like a repository package management
[17:57] <antler> tr0nd: wth do you need from a desktop? :P
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[17:58] <dive> tr0nd, try slackbuilds.org?
[17:58] <tr0nd> antler, a package manager like netpkg or apt-get. that is the main thing
[17:58] <dive> and sbopkg
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[17:58] <tr0nd> dive, ofc i've used slackbuilds
[17:59] <tr0nd> but do you consider that smooth?
[17:59] <pprkut> yes, very
[17:59] <thrice`> depends how you define smooth.  it might not hold your hand as much, but it puts you in control of what's going on
[17:59] <dive> depends what you mean by smooth -
[17:59] <dive> do you want precompiled packages, or compile your own?
[18:00] <tr0nd> very valid question
[18:00] <dartmouth> ok.  it looks like this was fairly successful, but i am having an issue with my kernel.  as per the docs it should be all set, except that i am not able to build ndiswrapper for my new kernel post-current upgrade and and when i go to the source for the new kernel, i had to fix the symlink at /usr/src/linux to point to the new source, and it appears the source is actually  broken as make menuconfig no longer does anything
[18:00] <dartmouth> i can't seem to get anything to build
[18:00] <dive> yeah and I installed freebsd a few weeks back and tried to install the php package and it failed - still ended up compiling...
[18:00] <slackytude> dartmouth, whats the  error when you do make menuconfig?
[18:00] <dartmouth> dive: you were doing it wrong then
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[18:01] <dive> how does pkg_add go wrong?
[18:01] <jolteon> How do I change my hostname?
[18:01] <tr0nd> dive, I guess i would say both, but the precompiled option would be prefered
[18:01] <dive> jolteon, 'hostname blabla'
[18:01] <antler> jolteon: netconfig is one way
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[18:01] <jolteon> I meant on irc.
[18:02] <slackytude> jolteon, edit /etc/HOSTNAME
[18:02] <dive> ...
[18:02] <slackytude> jolteon, O_o
[18:02] <dartmouth> slackytude: it is looking for kbuild.include and then returns a 'no such file or directory' when i ran make menuconfig in the new source
[18:02] <dive> lol
[18:02] <dive> you ant to be cloaked? ask in #freenode
[18:02] <dive> s/ant/want
[18:02] <tr0nd> dive, do you use sbopkg or do just download it off slackbuilds.org?
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[18:03] <dive> tr0nd, I use sbopkg now, or make my own scripts
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[18:03] <tr0nd> what type of scripts?
[18:03] <dive> tr0nd, and sbopkg does download from slackbuilds...
[18:03] <dive> slackbuild scripts
[18:03] <dartmouth> i do not know that this is the only problem though either because i got a gcc version mixmatch error when i tried to build the nvidia driver and also got a 'can not find kernel version' in the kernel source path when attempting to build ndiswrapper
[18:04] <tr0nd> bah your making me feel like an idiot :(
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[18:04] <slackytude> dartmouth, oy. something is broken
[18:04] <chopp> no you did a fine job of that yourself
[18:04] <dartmouth> lol i had assumed as much i just am not sure whether i should try the kernel.org kernel, or reinstalling the kernel package...er..
[18:05] <dartmouth> updating gcc?
[18:05] <dartmouth> past what -current offers?  which makes no sense to be necessary?
[18:05] <slackytude> not a good idea
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[18:07] <dartmouth> any ideas?
[18:07] <jolteon> dive, sorry about that.
[18:07] <fred> alienBOB: I hear you work for IBM; worked with DB2? If so, enough to have an opinion on it?
[18:07] <dive> jolteon, sorry man wrong window
[18:07] <dive> what was your question?
[18:07] <dive> you pm'd me about 1 second after someone else...
[18:08] <dive> and screen changed
[18:08] <jolteon> I thought there were other ways to do It, I used tor.
[18:08] <slackytude> dartmouth, not really. upgrading gcc is probably more hassle than its worth, tho
[18:08] <dive> to do what?
[18:08] <jolteon> Cloak.
[18:08] <slackytude> jolteon, any reason why you ask that question in ##slackware?
[18:09] <dive> well tor is banned on freenode - you need go ask someone in #freenode about cloaking your nick
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[18:09] <drijen> dartmouth: remove your entire toolchain, and reinstall it
[18:09] <jolteon> slackytude, not exactly? It doesn't pertain to the operating system in any way shape or form.
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[18:10] <dartmouth> drijen: as a note, my old kernel source runs make menuconfig just fine
[18:11] <jolteon> slackytude, but I do have a question though. I'm thinking about switching from archlinux, to slack. But the question is why slackware?
[18:11] <dartmouth> jolteon: because you want something better than archlinux?
[18:12] <slackytude> jolteon, you want to be hip?
[18:12] Action: slackytude shrugs
[18:12] <slackytude> just try it out and see if it suits yo
[18:12] <dartmouth> drijen: what did you mean by 'toolchain'?  you mean my base packages?
[18:12] <jolteon> slackytude,  Slackware is hip? :P
[18:12] <dartmouth> e.g. remove my slackbuilds and then upgradepkg --install-new again?
[18:12] <slackytude> sure, why else would I use it :P
[18:13] <jolteon> slackytude, because debian wasn't quite cutting it?
[18:13] <slackytude> heh, yeah, that too
[18:13] <slackytude> wasnt hip enough
[18:13] <jolteon> And the fact gentoo is for ricers, and exherberos, is hard as anything else to configure.
[18:14] <frullet> jolteon: its not that bad :P
[18:14] <jolteon> frullet,  what exherberos?
[18:14] <frullet> jolteon: gentoo to configure..
[18:14] <firebird619> dive: Debian doesn't appear to make a brother*.conf file either. :(
[18:16] <dartmouth> drijen: ?!
[18:16] <antler> drijen is in the office, but currently away from his desk. please leave a message with me after the tone. beep.
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[18:17] <firebird619> slackytude: The scanner does install in Debian VM, but for now anyway, it is having the same issue as Slackware.
[18:17] <jolteon> Does anyone use awesome?
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[18:17] <dartmouth> christ.
[18:17] <alkos333> Miro is sick
[18:18] Action: alkos333 is loving it
[18:18] <antler> dartmouth: your message has been recorded.
[18:18] <dartmouth> i am useless without wifi.
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[18:20] <chopp> are you sure it has anything to do with the wifi?
[18:21] <antler> hehe
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[18:23] <straterra> yes
[18:24] <slackytude> firebird619, gret
[18:24] <moss23> hey, I'm doing some bridging, and after creating a bridge "brctl addbr br0" setting it up and adding an IP address, "ip route add 10.1.1.0/24 dev br0"    throws this error: RTNETLINK answers: File exists
[18:24] <slackytude> firebird619, great success
[18:24] <slackytude> firebird619, once again, debain didnt help
[18:24] <moss23> any idea please ?
[18:24] <chopp> haha 1459 ftw
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[18:24] <firebird619> slackytude: Heh. Yeah, it sure didn't.
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[18:27] <firebird619> slackytude: I thought I was on to something, in the libsane.rules, I had a 664 instead of 0664, but it doesn't appear as though that solved anything. I restarted udev after the change. Is there anything else I needed to do?
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[18:28] <slackytude> firebird619, 0664 and 664 is the same as permissions go, iirc. so, your problem is a missing device entry for that machine?
[18:28] <firebird619> OMG, it's working in debian.
[18:29] <firebird619> Yay, now how do I get it working in slackware? :D
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[18:31] <dive> firebird619, have a good look at the config files
[18:31] <dive> and the sane version
[18:31] <firebird619> dive: Yeah, which ones. From what I can see, everything is the same as on Slackware.
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[18:32] <firebird619> dive: Debian's xsane is 0.996
[18:32] <dive> scanimage -L should tell you the backend
[18:32] <dive> e.g. device `snapscan:libusb:001:002' is a EPSON EPSON Scanner1 flatbed scanner
[18:32] <dive> is mine = snapsca backaend
[18:32] <dive> snapscan
[18:33] <firebird619> dive: Debian returns that scanimage is not found.
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[18:34] <firebird619> dive: Ah, sane and sane-utils were not installed.
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[18:34] <slackytude> huh? not installed?
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[18:35] <firebird619> dive: Which EPSON do you have? I also have an EPSON Perfection 3490.
[18:35] <dive> one like that like
[18:35] <firebird619> slackytude: Yeah, xsane is installed, scanner works, sane isn't installed. Is that possible?
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[18:35] <dive> whose number i forget
[18:35] <slackytude> firebird619, uh, apparently. kinda suprising
[18:36] <firebird619> slackytude: Yeah, it sure is.
[18:36] <dive> this is a bit weird
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[18:36] <firebird619> dive: Ok, scanimage -L on Debian returns device `brother2:bus2;dev1' is a Brother MFC-240C USB scanner.
[18:37] <dive> right so look for brother2.conf in /etc/sane.d/
[18:37] <firebird619> dive: It doesn't exist.
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[18:37] <firebird619> dive: Just like on Slackware, no .conf files to do with Brother.
[18:37] <dive> well there has got to be something..
[18:38] <LnxSlck> hello happy slackers
[18:38] <firebird619> How is this thing working? What is different on Debian?
[18:38] <firebird619> LnxSlck: Hello. How are you doing today?
[18:38] <LnxSlck> firebird619, fine.. about to upgrade my machine to -current
[18:38] <LnxSlck> :)
[18:39] <firebird619> LnxSlck: Ah. Always fun. I did that last week. So far it's working great.
[18:39] <LnxSlck> firebird619, my only concern is to get an kernel panic :(
[18:39] <firebird619> LnxSlck: Yeah, I hope that doesn't happen for you.
[18:39] <LnxSlck> firebird619, everytime i upgrade to a new version i got a kernel panic
[18:40] <antler> re: mythtv, http://www.pastebin.ca/1366602
[18:40] <firebird619> dive: What can I check to see what Debian has that makes this work? I have checked what I can think of and it's all the same, the files installed, etc. I did the exact same stuff on Debian as I did on Slackware.
[18:40] <antler> hey LnxSlck :)
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[18:40] <LnxSlck> antler, my friend how are you?
[18:40] <firebird619> LnxSlck: Oh, I have never had a kernel panic at all, on any distro I've used. I guess I've been lucky.
[18:41] <dive> firebird619, there should only be 1) backend driver 2) conf 3) firmware
[18:41] <antler> good, and you? find a suitable j.o.b yet?
[18:41] <LnxSlck> firebird619, maybe you are not a newbie like me
[18:41] <LnxSlck> antler, yes. on the biggest/best national company in my country
[18:41] <dive> firebird619, your task is to find all those and copy them somewhere
[18:41] <dive> this tape will self-destruct in 5 seconds
[18:41] <antler> LnxSlck: congrats :)
[18:41] <LnxSlck> antler, thanks...
[18:42] <LnxSlck> antler, like they say on debian: good things come to those who wait
[18:42] <dive> boom
[18:42] <firebird619> dive: Any tips to find those, or where. /etc/sane.d/ has nothing about brother. The rest of the files I've looked at are the same as Slackware.
[18:43] <antler> LnxSlck: but then there's the further addage, "all good things come to an end" :P
[18:43] <thumbs> so my slack lappy has sunk under a sea of beer.
[18:43] <dive> firebird619, I would start off by doing whatever the debian equivalent of an updatedb is, and then locating stuff
[18:43] <LnxSlck> antler, specially when you do an apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:43] <LnxSlck> lol
[18:43] <firebird619> dive: :( tried that already. updatedb and then locate.
[18:43] <antler> LnxSlck: hahah
[18:43] <LnxSlck> :)
[18:43] <dive> can you find the debian package and untar it?
[18:43] <dive> and look in that
[18:44] <firebird619> dive: I have the .deb file that I used to install it. How do I untar it, I have never untared a deb file.
[18:45] <dive> try tar xf blavla.deb
[18:45] <dive> i think they are just plain tars
[18:45] <dive> or tar.gz
[18:45] <dive> you just want to see where the files are going
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[18:46] <firebird619> dive: This does not look like a tar archive is what I get.
[18:46] <antler> LnxSlck: enjoying the work so far?
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[18:46] <dive> hmm I though that they were
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[18:46] <LnxSlck> antler, well yes.. basically it's sys admin and oracle management
[18:46] <dive> in that case you need look at deb docs and figure out how it's done
[18:46] <LnxSlck> antler, and telecomunications
[18:47] <LnxSlck> antler, cell phones and stuff
[18:47] <dartmouth> wow....
[18:47] <dartmouth> KDE4 is...gorgeous.
[18:47] <antler> LnxSlck: not contract work, though, righT?
[18:47] <dartmouth> thanks for your help guys.
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[18:47] <dive> and cmake is ... fail
[18:47] <firebird619> dive: I think there is a tar file inside the deb file. I used to be able to double click a deb file (pre-5.0 debian) and it opened in file roller to see the files.
[18:47] <LnxSlck> antler, i have 1 year contract
[18:48] <LnxSlck> antler, then i'll see if i want to stay
[18:48] <dive> firebird619, well do it
[18:48] <thumbs> now if only KDE4 was usable...
[18:48] <antler> LnxSlck: ah, 1 year to prove yourself :)
[18:48] <dive> while i sit back, have a smoke an a beer
[18:48] <LnxSlck> antler, well yes.. kinda off
[18:48] <firebird619> dive: I tried, it says archive is unsupported. They must have changed that.
[18:48] <dive> ...
[18:48] <dive> firebird619, what's the command to install a .deb?
[18:48] <firebird619> dive: dpkg -i
[18:49] <firebird619> dpkg -i file.deb
[18:49] <dive> man dpkg and see if you can just unpack one
[18:49] <chopp> pollute my box blah.deb
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[18:50] <dive> chopp, no it's 'hello let's make another package system that doesn't use any sort of common linux tools like tar and give it a funky name'
[18:50] <firebird619> dive: Yay. dpkg --extract /path/to/where/you/want/extracted.
[18:50] <dive> although 'deb' is debatable as being a funky name
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[18:51] <dive> if ian was more of a man then debian would be called iandeb
[18:51] <antler> hehe
[18:51] <dive> and we'd have '.ian' files
[18:51] <firebird619> lol.
[18:51] <chopp> he wears the panties
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[18:52] <chopp> antler: allmost ready to watch the news on your box?
[18:53] <dive> actually wearing panties is quite nice - it's women wearing pants that I don't like
[18:53] <dive> or trousers as we say here
[18:53] <slackytude> O_o
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[18:53] <dive> heh
[18:53] <firebird619> dive: Is there a way with "ls" to list the whole directory tree of a directory? Like how that pastebin post I gave earlier looked.
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[18:54] <dive> man find
[18:54] <slackytude> tree
[18:54] <mikk0> firebird619; ls -alR
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[18:54] <mikk0> or just ls -R
[18:54] <slackytude> oh with ls
[18:54] <dive> yeah what they said
[18:54] <slackytude> tree is nice, tho
[18:54] <firebird619> Ok, thanks guys.
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[18:54] <slackytude> even makes html ^-^
[18:54] <firebird619> slackytude: I forgot about tree.
[18:55] <Pig_Pen> maybe run the command in vim or some other text editor that can run commands in the buffer and save
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[18:56] <antler> chopp: not quite yet. mythtv is not compiling--complaining about libavcodec, which i've determined is part of ffmpeg. on the mythtv forums ([mythtv-commits] Ticket #4982: Compilation of MythTV fails with recent ffmpeg installed) a user stated that he needed to move some header files in order to compile mythtv. i'm trying to understand how to do this :P
[18:57] <firebird619> slackytude: tree doesn't even work in Debian. What, does that have to be installed too. :D
[18:57] <antler> chopp: here's the error i'm getting: http://www.pastebin.ca/1366602
[18:57] <slackytude> firebird619, comes in ten .deb's ^-^
[18:58] <pprkut> antler: how old is mythtv's last release
[18:58] <firebird619> slackytude: What? Are you serious?
[18:58] <slackytude> heh, no
[18:58] <firebird619> slackytude: Well, I wouldn't be surprised.
[18:58] <antler> pprkut: mythtv (0.21) <---- sbo
[18:58] <slackytude> firebird619, hehe, me neither
[18:59] <pprkut> antler: yeah, never mind. Thought of something different
[18:59] <firebird619> Well, I have to take a break and go eat. Thanks for all the help so far everyone.
[18:59] <pprkut> antler: do you want to test against ffmpeg-0.5?
[19:00] <firebird619> slackytude: Heh. apt-get install tree. It does have to be installed. :D
[19:00] <antler> pprkut: i'm thinking FFmpeg version r14080, which is currently installed, is new than 0.5?
[19:00] <slackytude> firebird619, figures
[19:00] <antler> if so, i'll grab the package that you maintain and try it
[19:01] <firebird619> slackytude: Yeah.
[19:01] <antler> pprkut: hm, ffmpeg (20081105) <----sbo
[19:01] <dtanner> hello slackers =)
[19:01] <pprkut> antler: this does not use external ffmpeg, it seems (it's not listed in the README), so probably doesn't matter
[19:02] <pprkut> antler: ffmpeg-0.5 was released a week ago :)
[19:02] <antler> pprkut: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/2008-March/040568.html <---- i think this is similar to what i'm getting when i try to compile mythtv
[19:05] <pprkut> antler: compiling right now...
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[19:07] <firebird619> dtanner: Hello. How are you? I got that MIDI cable today for my keyboard.
[19:07] <dtanner> firebird619: sweet, have you tried it out yet ? played a couple of nots on it ?
[19:07] <dtanner> firebird619: i decided on the monitors+sub i am getting , ordering now. want to take a peek at them ?
[19:08] <dtanner> firebird619: i also detialed my bike today and went for a awesome ride =) -> my baby http://picasaweb.google.com/slacktop/Harley#5315409728569239506
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[19:08] <firebird619> dtanner: No, haven't tried it yet, I've been busy getting my scanner to work.
[19:09] <firebird619> dtanner: I'll let you know when I do though.
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[19:10] <firebird619> dtanner: So which monitor+sub did you get? sure, I'll take a look.
[19:10] <dtanner> firebird619: i just bought one of those scanner/copier/printers a couple of weeks ago. everything works really well . it is an HP deskjet F4240.
[19:10] <slackytude> hp makes nice stuff
[19:10] <slackytude> well, mostly
[19:10] <firebird619> dtanner: Yeah, mine is Brother MFC-240c
[19:10] <antler> dtanner: dood it looks exactly the same as several months ago ;)
[19:10] <firebird619> I've never had issues with Linux+HP stuff.
[19:10] <dtanner> firebird619: antler my bike ? yeah i keep it clean and mean =)
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[19:11] <antler> dtanner: yeah :)
[19:11] <dtanner> antler: i just broke 4000 miles on it
[19:11] <pprkut> antler: fails with a qt4 error here...testing against qt3....
[19:12] <antler> pprkut: hm... i have both qt3 and qt4 installed
[19:12] <dtanner> must be $PATH hell :P
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[19:12] <antler> dtanner: the bike honestly looks like it was just bought from a sterile showroom
[19:13] <pprkut> antler: yes, but I have kde4 on 12.2, which complicates this a bit ;)
[19:13] <dtanner> firebird619: monitors -> http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-FOS-PM05MKII--P-On
[19:13] <antler> pprkut: ah
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[19:13] <dtanner> firebird619: sub -> http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-FOS-PM05SUBMKII--P-On
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[19:14] <antler> pprkut: the built-in effects on kde4 are quite nice and smooth :)
[19:15] <dtanner> antler: thank you very much, i take pride in keeping it in good shape, and the motor is just now breaking in to a sweet spot too =)
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[19:16] Action: antler loves sweet spots...
[19:17] <tntslack> does amsn voice chat working?
[19:17] <slackytude> who doesnt
[19:17] <firebird619> dtanner: Ok, I'll look at them in a bit. I'm eating right now.
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[19:18] <pprkut> antler: well...most of them. I am still able to crash kwin with some of them :/ (nvidia hardware)
[19:18] <dtanner> firebird619: my dinner is ready right now.. gone to eat.
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[19:19] <antler> slackytude: how true
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[19:26] <shingoshi_man> How do I get my default NICK back?
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[19:26] <thrice`>  /nick
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[19:27] <shingoshi_man> That doesn't work. It just tells me it's already in use.
[19:27] <thrice`>  /msg nickserv ghost nick pass
[19:27] <shingoshi_man> TY!
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[19:29] <antler> pprkut: did in compile against qt3?
[19:29] <antler> *it
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[19:30] <shingoshi_man> thrice`: It tells me the NICK has been ghosted. But I still can't select it. Tells me it's still in use.
[19:30] <pprkut> antler: no, it failed with a similar error. Trying again with a small modification....looks good so far
[19:30] <thrice`> it autojoined, as you can see
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[19:31] <shingoshi_man> So do I have to logout and back in again?
[19:31] <thrice`> or kill it on that connection
[19:31] <antler> pprkut: hmm none of the errors you're seeing have anything to do with ffmpeg, yeah?
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[19:31] <shingoshi_man> Let me try that now and see what happens.
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[19:32] <pprkut> antler: they seem to have, but were a bit different
[19:33] <antler> pprkut: ok
[19:33] <pprkut> XGizzmo_: maybe you can help here (mythtv compile issue)
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[19:34] Action: SlackLnx hi :)
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[19:34] <SlackLnx> any one compile php with mcrypt ??
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[19:36] <shingoshi_man> thrice`: That didn't work either. I need my NICK back.
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[19:37] <slackytude> shingoshi_man, #freenode
[19:37] <shingoshi_man> ok
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[19:39] <SlackLnx> any one compile php with mcrypt ?? i'm having same errors :/
[19:41] <thrice`> shingoshi_man: the other client keeps auto-connecting.  you need to make it stop doing that
[19:41] <firebird619> slackytude: When you use tree and output to html, is it in order, or a jumbled up mess with odd characters in it?
[19:41] <thrice`> shingoshi_man: look above, it does quit, but then re-joins instantly due to auto-connect
[19:42] <pprkut> antler: no success :(
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[19:42] <slackytude> firebird619, last time I did it, with my mp3 collection, it worked nice. I think there are sort options
[19:42] <antler> pprkut: hehe anticlimactic, isn't it :P
[19:42] <antler> it seems fine for about 90 of the compile process, then....
[19:42] <antler> 90%
[19:43] <firebird619> slackytude: Yeah, I am using tree on debian and the output is not nice. I have tried some of the options, but evidently not the right ones.
[19:44] <shingoshi_man> thrice`: How do I stop the auto-connect?
[19:44] <pprkut> antler: anyway, the installed ffmpeg shouldn't matter as mythtv uses an internal one
[19:44] <thrice`> shingoshi_man: it depends on the client that is connected
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[19:45] <thrice`> shingoshi_man: in the irc client for shingoshi, you have it set to auto-connect to freenode
[19:45] <Soul_keeper> SlackLnx, i'm checking into it,  appears you might need both  libmcrypt and mcrypt itself
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[19:46] <antler> pprkut: thanks for trying. i'll check with XGizzmo_ when he's around to see what he did
[19:48] <slackytude> gonna go sleep
[19:49] <slackytude> see ya laterz
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[19:51] <pirving> ok, I've been all over google looking for a way to view a linux ext3 file system in windows
[19:51] <pirving> I've tried Ex2explore
[19:51] <mshade> http://www.fs-driver.org/
[19:51] <pirving> I've tried the file system ext2 driver
[19:51] <pirving> it won't see my ext3
[19:52] <pirving> fs-driver won't see it, it wants to format it
[19:52] <mshade> are you in nix?
[19:52] <pirving> no windows
[19:52] <mshade> probably a bad system id
[19:52] <pirving> I wonder what gives
[19:52] <mshade> fdisk -l /dev/sdX
[19:53] <mshade> and see what the 'system' column shows
[19:53] <Soul_keeper> SlackLnx,   checking for mcrypt support... yes          :)
[19:53] <pirving> I'm not running linux right now, I'm in windows
[19:53] <mshade> yes i know
[19:53] <pirving> it's a dual boot
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[19:53] <mshade> but you're going to need to check out and/or modify the label and system id probably
[19:53] <mshade> from nix
[19:53] <mshade> is it your / partition in nix?
[19:53] <firebird619> dive: Hmm, the debian package for my scanner has more files than the Slackware package. I guess this is where the problem is possibly. I used ls -alR on Debian and Slackware and saved both to a txt file and now have compared them side by side. I am going by the total: above each directory, and Debian has more.
[19:53] <SlackLnx> Soul_keeper, i have 2 erros 1 inthe beginner and 1 in the end http://pastebin.com/m7f0d0bc2
[19:54] <SlackLnx> yes i have instaled the mcrypt and libmcrypt
[19:54] <Soul_keeper> ohhh you're doing a slackbuild ...
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[19:55] <Soul_keeper> link me to their build script, i'll also need to see what versions it's using.  builds fine for me manually
[19:55] <Soul_keeper> they might have just got carried away with the config options
[19:56] <SlackLnx> Soul_keeper, http://darkstar.ist.utl.pt/slackware/slackware-12.2/source/n/php/
[19:56] <SlackLnx> i dont find slackbuild in the slackbuilds.org :P
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[19:57] <SlackLnx> but i think this is fine
[19:57] <Soul_keeper> i'm using 5.2.9 here
[19:57] <SlackLnx> Soul_keeper you use slackbuild for that?
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[19:58] <Soul_keeper> SlackLnx, i've never used a slack build script
[19:59] <SlackLnx> Soul_keeper, ./configure make make install ??
[19:59] <SlackLnx> by the source?
[19:59] <Soul_keeper> ./configure --prefix=/usr
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[19:59] <Soul_keeper> and you need the option for mcrypt  and whatever else you need
[19:59] <Soul_keeper> mine just failed  make test,  looks like i need to upgrade libxml2
[20:00] <SlackLnx> yep i think i will do.. that is why i love slackware :)
[20:01] <SlackLnx> all the source just install perfect :)
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[20:06] <SlackLnx> configure: error: libXpm.(a|so) <--- :/
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[20:10] <dive> has anyone tried cmake'ing anything in -current?
[20:10] <dive> any errors?
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[20:11] <dive> like 'Unknown CMake command "kde4_install_icons".'
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[20:12] <pirving> ok cool!!! I got my ext3 fs to read by using a program called Ext2-fsd off of sourceforge.....this program rocks, it assigns a driver leter
[20:12] <Shingoshi> Just checking now.
[20:12] <Shingoshi> thrice`: Stupid me! I had BitchX open in a console.
[20:13] <Shingoshi> Old man does it again!
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[20:15] <pirving> how do I combine avi files using ffmpeg?
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[20:15] <pirving> or cat I just use file1 >> file 2 >> file3 >>> file?
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[20:16] <thrice`> cat works, but I you might need mencoder to sync the audio
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[20:16] <thrice`> bad answer, I know, but google turns up many useful how-to's that I've used
[20:16] <firebird619> dive: Was your Epson scanner easy to install? I see that the iscan packages from sbo are needed. Anything else that needs editing or anything? I think I will try and get my Epson going, at least until I get this Brother All-In-One figured out.
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[20:17] <pirving> ok, I googled, just use cat file file file > file
[20:17] <dive> firebird619, you only need the firmware - iscan is crap and didn't work at all
[20:18] <pirving> shit, how do I do it in windows?
[20:18] <ccfreak2k> ar t "God"
[20:18] <Soul_keeper> SlackLnx,   http://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/individual/lib/libXpm-3.5.7.tar.bz2      should be a slackware package for that too
[20:18] <firebird619> dive: Ok, Thanks. I have no idea what's wrong with the Brother. I compared packages from Debian and Slackware and they are exactly the same (I know I said above that Debian had more, but later discovered I ran ls on the wrong thing). So, I don't know how to fix that, and I need to have a working scanner.
[20:19] <firebird619> dive: Is it fairly straight forward after that, or are there files that need to be edited.
[20:20] <firebird619> dive: Ah, nevermind. I see the SBo says to view the README, I'll do that.
[20:20] <pirving> copy /b 1.mpg + 2.mpg + 3.mpg + 4.mpg mymovie.mpg
[20:20] <dive> depends on the backend again... mine uses snapscan so I edited snapscan with firmware location and usb device
[20:20] <firebird619> dive: Yeah, I remember from other distros that mine is snapscan as well.
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[20:21] <firebird619> dive: And down the road, when I finally get this brother figured out, then sane should see both and I can choose which one, correct?
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[20:25] <dive> firebird619, no idea - I've only had one scanner at a time installed
[20:25] <firebird619> dive: Ok. Thanks alot for all of your help today.
[20:25] <dive> np
[20:26] <edman007> nix_chix, did you check for head crabs?
[20:27] <dive> edman007, you're clean
[20:27] <dive> don't worry
[20:27] <edman007> :)
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[20:45] <firebird619> dive: I got the EPSON working. That was EASY.
[20:46] <dive> thought it might be
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[20:47] <firebird619> dive: Yeah. Thanks again for all your help. I'll someday figure out the brother issue, right now it will just sit on my desk, it doesn't even have ink right now, it ran out. :)
[20:48] <dive> well your welcome to that - just would have been nice to get the brother working
[20:48] <dive> when I bought my scanner I looked at sane first and then chose :-)
[20:50] <firebird619> dive: Yeah. I just don't understand what's wrong with the Brother, I know it works with Slackware, because I've had it working, and I can't figure out that it works right away with Debian which installs the exact same files to the exact same places. There just must be something that is missing, not set right, or something.
[20:51] <firebird619> dive: I got my epson at the antiques shop for $10. They sell stuff that people bring in to and someone brought it in to sell. It didn't have any software or manual, but that can be downloaded online anyway. I had checked sane first before buying the brother and epson and both are supported, the Brother just doesn't want to work.
[20:52] <firebird619> dive: I suppose the Brother will come down to one day trying something or finding a howto or something and after that it will be "Ah, that's what it was, why didn't I think of that before" :)
[20:53] <dive> yeah I guess
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[20:54] <firebird619> At least I have a scanner that works now, I need to have that.
[20:54] <firebird619> Thank goodness for Epson having decent Linux support.
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[20:55] <firebird619> If only someone could convince Brother to put a Slackware How-to guide online or some slackware packages. :D
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[20:56] <ccfreak2k> Are you willing to front the cost for such a venture?
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[20:57] <firebird619> ccfreak2k: Me? Oh goodness no, I don't have much money to my name. I'll do with what's available and what I've got. :)
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[20:58] <firebird619> I wish my Brother would have installed and worked as easy as this: http://littlesvr.ca/linux-stuff/articles/brotherscannerslack/brotherscannerslack.php
[20:58] <gar0t0> hi all ?)
[20:58] <gar0t0> :)
[20:59] <firebird619> gar0t0: Hi. How are you?
[20:59] <gar0t0> firebird619: hehe fine! and you ?
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[20:59] <firebird619> gar0t0: I'm doing great. Thank you. :)
[21:00] <dive> why does kdelibs downloaded from kde use cmake but the slackbuild in current use ./configure, make, make install?
[21:03] <Pig_Pen> dive: sounds like a question for Pat
[21:03] <dive> pat isn't here :>
[21:04] <gar0t0> or no
[21:04] <gar0t0> :D
[21:04] <Pig_Pen> or someone that works closely with Pat
[21:05] <dive> I guess I will have to stick around until rworkman or alienBOB wakes up
[21:05] <SlackLnx> Soul_keeper, i install php but i think isnt install libphp5.so
[21:05] <SlackLnx> i dont find it :P
[21:05] <dive> and drink mor ebeer
[21:05] <SlackLnx> Cannot load /usr/lib/httpd/modules/libphp5.so into server
[21:05] <dive> and eat moar catz
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[21:15] <dive> SlackLnx, how did you install php?
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[21:17] <SlackLnx> dive, by the source i need mcrypt
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[21:18] <dive> ok I bale out at this point
[21:18] <dissociative> when pat is going to put the security upgrade for seamonkey
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[21:20] <dtanner> firebird619: i had problems with the scanner i bought an all-in-one and it was a perm issue that I fixed with a udev rule, i could have made it a group change but i changed the perms (in a udev rule) and all was fine after that.
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[21:21] <firebird619> dtanner: What rule did you use? Maybe that is my issue.
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[21:21] <firebird619> dtanner: Nice monitors+sub set btw.
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[21:22] <dtanner> firebird619: well first look at "lsusb" adn make sure it sees the device then you wil be using the node numbers
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[21:23] <frullet_> firebird619: udevadm info -q path -a -n /dev/foobar
[21:23] <dtanner> that you can get from the output of lsusb such as -> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 03f0:2504 Hewlett-Packard , so my device is /dev/bus/usb/001/002
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[21:23] <dtanner> then you use udevadm to get the serial number and make a rule form that
[21:24] <firebird619> dtanner: Bus 003 Device 003: ID 04f9:01ab Brother Industries, Ltd MFC-240C. I do have an entry in 80-libsane.rules for the device, maybe I have the perms set already?
[21:24] <firebird619> dtanner: Also, on another note, that MIDI cable identifies as Bus 005 Device 002: ID 04fc:0241 Sunplus Technology Co., Ltd
[21:24] <dtanner> firebird619: does root running "sane-find-scanner" see the deivice ? also check the perms and ownerships for kicks by doing ls -la /dev/bus/usb/003/003
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[21:25] <firebird619> dtanner: sane-find-scanner--> found USB scanner (vendor=0x04f9, product=0x01ab) at libusb:003:003
[21:25] <dtanner> sweet
[21:25] <dtanner> now does a refular user running sane-find-scanner see that too or no ?
[21:25] <dtanner> regular*
[21:25] <firebird619> dtanner: crw-rw-r-- 1 root scanner 189, 258 2009-03-20 14:34 /dev/bus/usb/003/003
[21:26] <firebird619> dtanner: Yes, regular see's it as well, I am in the scanner group.
[21:27] <dtanner> try running scanimage >image.pnm
[21:27] <alkos333> So I only have two terminals enabled and I start X.  Therefore, the first and second terminals are accessible via Ctrl+Alt+1  and Ctrl+Alt+2  and X  via  Ctrl+Alt+3.    However, when I lunch another x session from let's say the second terminal, I'm not able to switch back to the first one using Ctrl+Alt+3.  What could be wrong?
[21:27] <firebird619> dtanner: Ok, right now, I do have another scanner connected, so I assume unplug that one first, so it tries scanning with the right one.
[21:28] <dtanner> yeah
[21:28] <firebird619> dtanner: scanimage: no SANE devices found
[21:29] <dtanner> firebird619: run sane-find-scanner again as root and regular user
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[21:30] <dtanner> firebird619: and run 'lsusb' to make sure the device is getting picked up
[21:30] <firebird619> dtanner: Yup, it still sees it as both root and regular.
[21:30] <firebird619> dtanner: lsusb still sees it.
[21:31] <dtanner> try changing the perms manually to 666 for testing and then run scanimage -L
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[21:31] <firebird619> dtanner: Sorry, but perms of what, /dev/scanner?
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[21:32] <dtanner> whatever lsusb reports the Bus and device numner then /dev/bus/usb/BUS-_NUMBER/DEVOCE-NUMBER
[21:32] <firebird619> dtanner: Ah. Ok.
[21:32] <dtanner> typos but oh well
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[21:33] <firebird619> dtanner: No Scanners were identified.
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[21:34] <dtanner> lsusb shows no scanner ?
[21:34] <firebird619> dtanner: lsusb still shows it.
[21:34] <dtanner> what are the perms and ownership of the device number ?
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[21:35] <firebird619> dtanner: crw-rw-rw- 1 root scanner 189, 258 2009-03-20 14:34 /dev/bus/usb/003/003
[21:36] <dtanner> so , update me now , sane-find-scanner does show it ?
[21:37] <firebird619> yes
[21:37] <dtanner> scanimage -L ?
[21:37] <firebird619> No
[21:38] <dtanner> have you tried to see if 'xsane' sees the device ?
[21:38] <firebird619> dtanner: Yes. As both regular and root, I get no devices available.
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[21:39] <dtanner> well you have exahusted my knowledge of getting it working. seems strange that sane-find-scanner ses it and scanimage or xsane does not
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[21:40] <firebird619> dtanner: Also, I tried installing the scanner in Debian (which is in VBox) and it installed and worked there. I then compared each package and they are exactly the same files, locations, etc.
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[21:40] <groo> oes
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[21:41] <dive> firebird619, check kernel and lsmod maybe
[21:41] <deplorable> Hello again Slackers.  Just stopping in to say hello today.
[21:41] <firebird619> deplorable: Hello, How are you?
[21:41] <deplorable> I'm good.
[21:41] <dtanner> hey deplorable
[21:42] <firebird619> dive: Nothing in lsmod about it.
[21:42] <deplorable> Slow day.  I had to go into town and didn't get to do much work on my computers.
[21:42] <slack_china> hello i am here...
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[21:42] <deplorable> Hello Firebird619 and dtanner.
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[21:43] <firebird619> If I make a change to /etc/sane.d/dll.conf, do I have to restart something to make it take affect?
[21:44] <deplorable> Something did come up today.  Nothing serious.  Just a passing thought.  My MP3 player choked on NTFS; it seems to only like FAT.  I wonder how it's going to like my new ext3 filesystem.
[21:45] <deplorable> I haven't looked into ext3's ability to write to FAT and think I would be happier if it took ext3 anyway.  Something else to look into.  :)
[21:45] <firebird619> dtanner: I made a change to dll.conf and scanimage -L sees it now.
[21:45] <dtanner> =)
[21:45] <dtanner> try scanimage >image.pnm
[21:45] <firebird619> OMG it works, it really works. YAH.
[21:45] <firebird619> YAY
[21:46] <dive> :)
[21:46] <firebird619> The problem was that dll.conf had brother instead of brother2
[21:46] <firebird619> YAY
[21:46] Last message repeated 2 time(s).
[21:46] <dtanner> good job, so I assume xsane is happy too now ?
[21:46] <firebird619> dtanner: Yup. :) Thanks.
[21:46] <SlackLnx> hello slack_china _AtheoS_
[21:47] <firebird619> Thanks to everyone that helped me today.
[21:47] <SlackLnx> hello slack_china *
[21:47] <SlackLnx> :P
[21:47] <dtanner> np firebird619
[21:47] <dive> firebird619, you're welcome
[21:47] <firebird619> dtanner: Now, on to playing with my MIDI Cable. :)
[21:47] <dtanner> =0
[21:48] <slack_china> slacklnx you not sleep??
[21:48] <SlackLnx> nop
[21:48] <SlackLnx> :)
[21:48] <firebird619> dtanner: I'll let you know how it works on Linux. It worked great on Windows (of course).
[21:48] <slack_china> strong man
[21:48] <dtanner> firebird619:  i want a Roland Phantom keyboard workstation , n that will be the next LARGE investment for the studio as those things are not cheap at all.
[21:48] <SlackLnx> i try to install php with slackbuilds
[21:48] <SlackLnx> :P
[21:48] <dtanner> firebird619: ok please do
[21:49] <deplorable> I followed a link from the Slackware site and found the Linux Documentation Project.  :)  Beautiful.  You have to love free documentation. :)
[21:49] <firebird619> dtanner: No, not cheap at all, but nice, yes.
[21:49] <edman007> deplorable, you are deplorable
[21:49] <deplorable> Hence the name.  lol
[21:50] <firebird619> dtanner: Rosegarden sees the USB to MIDI adapter. Good sign. :)
[21:51] <deplorable> I'm planning to hunt down come C++ Guides later tonight.  4000 pages or not, I don't have $100 to spend on the two books I want.
[21:51] <dtanner> firebird619: ah so you decided on ROsegarden , how many deps ?
[21:51] <edman007> deplorable, C FTW
[21:51] Action: edman007 goes back to helping people with VHDL
[21:51] <deplorable> FTW?
[21:51] <edman007> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ftw
[21:51] <firebird619> dtanner: only a few *required deps* of jack-audio-connection-kit and fftw.
[21:52] <dtanner> firebird619: sweet
[21:52] <firebird619> dtanner: I will try others also, but that is the first I installed. Lilypond won't install, it asks for deps that aren't on slackbuilds.org or that SBo even lists.
[21:52] <deplorable> edman007.  What is FTW?
[21:52] Action: edman007 pokes that link he just posted
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[21:52] <edman007> deplorable, did the link die?
[21:52] <deplorable> Ah.  I missed it.
[21:53] <deplorable> I see it now.
[21:53] <firebird619> dtanner: Yay. The MIDI cable works on Linux.
[21:53] <dtanner> nice!
[21:54] <SlackLnx> os[Linux 2.6.27.7-smp i686] distro[Slackware 12.2.0] cpu[2 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E8500  @ 3.16GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 4.00GHz] mem[Physical: 3.2GB, 89.4% free] disk[Total: 553.5GB, 45.7% free] video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GTS] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel]
[21:54] <firebird619> It is indeed a good day now. The scanner issue is fixed, and my MIDI cable works.
[21:54] <edman007> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.28 | Dual Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5410 @ 2.33GHz  MHz (8 cores) | Mem: 2809/8167M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 1035G Free: 269G | Screen Res: 1680x1050 | Procs: 304  | Up:  21:54:14 up 5 days,  6:06, 19 users,  load average: 0.29, 0.32, 0.38
[21:54] <edman007> SlackLnx, i win
[21:54] <SlackLnx> hehe
[21:54] <SlackLnx> true
[21:54] Action: firebird619 bows his head in shame as he only has 1GB of ram. :(
[21:55] <dtanner> yeah i felt great when i got all the functions of my HP-all-in-one working , although i never had to use saned or edit any dll files, mine was in the perms/groups and i fixed it using a udev local rule.
[21:55] <slack_china> slacklnx do you have 4G ram??
[21:55] <edman007> SlackLnx, though i actually got more disk space, 1TB is just what is mounted..
[21:55] <deplorable> Nice system edman007.
[21:55] <SlackLnx> slack_china, yes
[21:55] <edman007> slack_china, looks like it, he is running i686 with a high end vid card, thats why its shows low
[21:55] <SlackLnx> edman007, i have 500G+320G
[21:55] <SlackLnx> and 500G in the server
[21:55] <SlackLnx> :P
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[21:56] <deplorable> Single core Pentium 4 @ 2.3GHz OC, 1GM PC2700 and a dial-up modem.  lol  250GB HD
[21:56] <firebird619> dtanner: Yeah, In Fedora, I didn't have to edit anything. In Debian I had to edit libsane.rules, and now in Slackware I had to edit a bit more, but hey, it's working now. It's always a great feeling to get something working.
[21:56] <SlackLnx> deplorable, you win hehe
[21:56] <slack_china> do you recompile kernel??lnx
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[21:57] <SlackLnx> slack_china, not yep but i will
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[21:57] <slack_china> i am too..
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[21:57] <firebird619> dtanner: I am really happy that MIDI cable works on Linux, I tested it by playing Shindown-Second Change MIDI file and it played through the keyboard. Now I can play and record to the PC to, yay.
[21:57] <SlackLnx>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[21:57] <SlackLnx> Mem:          3511        463       3047          0          1        344
[21:58] <edman007> deplorable, my 3.3Ghz OC P4 with 2GB DDR 400 and a 6800 is my mythtv player :D
[21:58] <firebird619> oops, Shindown-Second Chance.
[21:58] <SlackLnx> you must activate 64G in kernel for all 4G
[21:58] <slack_china>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[21:58] <slack_china> Mem:       3628836     930464    2698372          0      36680     417416
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[21:59] <slack_china> root@darkstar:/usr/src/linux# free -m
[21:59] <slack_china>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[21:59] <slack_china> Mem:          3543        909       2634          0         35        407
[21:59] <edman007> SlackLnx, depends, will slow down the computer slightly if you turn on PAE, and IIRC not all systems support it (its mostly on server boards)
[21:59] <deplorable> I can beat that.  Celeron @ 525GHz OC, 512MB SDRAM 10GB HD.  That's my NFS.  Windows 2000 (for now)
[21:59] <Zosma> :-)
[21:59] <deplorable> 525MHz.
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[22:00] <deplorable> not GHz. lol
[22:00] <SlackLnx> lool
[22:00] <Zosma> Next time we get uptime contests again :'(
[22:00] <SlackLnx> Mhz
[22:00] <deplorable> OCed.  Stock, it's 450Mhz
[22:01] <SlackLnx> deplorable, how i solved this http://pastebin.com/m6b5337fe
[22:01] <SlackLnx> :)
[22:02] <Zosma> edman007: what exactly are you (they) doing in VHDL? They use it for some courses at uni here. I liked it compared to Verilog...
[22:02] <Soul_keeper> SlackLnx, there should be a compile option for that
[22:02] <edman007> Zosma, well my prof is a sonet nut, so the first real project is a basic sonet framer
[22:03] <edman007> then we get to pick the second project, so i'm thinking either a non-von nueman CPU or a crypto device
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[22:04] <Zosma> edman007: mmm sounds nice :-)
[22:04] <Soul_keeper> configure* option
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[22:05] <firebird619> dtanner: Recording in from keyboard to rosegarden works great too.
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[22:06] <edman007> Zosma, yea, i love vhdl, because its lower level than C :D
[22:06] <Zosma> Uhu :-)
[22:06] <edman007> and i got two paypay phishing emails today!
[22:07] <Zosma> I tend to like the lower-level stuff too... but electrical engineering is just a bit too much.
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[22:07] <edman007> and like always, i forwarded them to paypals phishing department, lol
[22:07] <edman007> Zosma, and i graduate in ECE in ~60 days
[22:07] <Zosma> Ooh nice.
[22:07] <Zosma> Working on your thesis now then?
[22:07] <Zosma> Good luck anyway!
[22:08] <Zosma> About PayPal... I got some legitimate ones last time... that was even weirder. Reminds me to turn those off.
[22:08] Action: Zosma logs in...
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[22:09] <SlackLnx> Soul_keeper, i don't find  :(
[22:09] <SlackLnx> --without-ssl           Disable SSL support (OpenSSL)  <--- solved
[22:09] <SlackLnx> lol
[22:10] <edman007> Zosma, whois on the domain -> Pan Wei wei, BaoChun Rd. 27, No. 3, 1F, Apt. 1903, Beijing
[22:11] <edman007> i don't feel like sending my login to china...
[22:11] <Soul_keeper> SlackLnx,   --enable-shared
[22:11] <edman007> Zosma, and my spam filter went off with this: 'Contains an URL listed in the PH SURBL blocklist'
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[22:12] <deplorable> Well, the sun is down.  Time to get something done.  I'll catch up with everyone later.
[22:12] <deplorable> Bye.
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[22:12] <Zosma> edman007: hehe yeah pretty obvious :-)
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[22:12] <Zosma> deplorable: bye bye.
[22:12] <edman007> Zosma, ohh, and FF even detects ot
[22:12] <edman007> *it
[22:12] <Zosma> 3AM here so I'll probably hit the hay too.
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[22:12] <Zosma> Haha brilliant.
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[22:13] <edman007> but it looks legit, one of the best jobs i've seen at copying the paypal homepage
[22:13] <nooper> where
[22:13] <edman007> uggc://cnlcny.qngnonfr-pbasvezngvba.pbz/vaqrk.ugz
[22:13] <edman007> :)
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[22:14] <nooper> that is pretty good
[22:14] <SlackLnx> Soul_keeper, don't work
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[22:15] <Zosma> rot13?
[22:15] <Zosma> lala
[22:15] <Soul_keeper> SlackLnx, yeah appears their  --enable-shared  flag don't work    checking whether to build shared libraries... no
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[22:15] <Zosma> Reported Web Forgery!
[22:15] <Soul_keeper> dunno what to tell you
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[22:19] <Evilliksass> Is there a room for Berkely Db?
[22:20] <chopp> edman007: wow, that is a legitimate looking copy.
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[22:22] <edman007> chopp, and from paypal -> 'Thanks for forwarding that suspicious-looking email. You're right - it was a phishing attempt, and we're working on stopping the fraud. By reporting the problem, you've made a difference!'
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[22:23] <andarius> greetings and salutations
[22:23] Action: edman007 waves
[22:23] <BP{k}> wotcha andarius :)
[22:23] <andarius> wotcha BP{k} :)
[22:23] <thrice`> hi andarius
[22:24] <andarius> hoi hoi :)
[22:25] <firebird619> Hi andarius. How are you?
[22:25] <andarius> firebird619: well and hungry as hell. you ?
[22:25] <firebird619> andarius: I am doing great, Thank you. :)
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[22:27] <DeeeeP_> edman007, i was roubed in 500 euros on ebay , asked for help , if they can provide info about the seller, and they didnt
[22:28] <edman007> DeeeeP_, its not too bad for buyers
[22:28] <DeeeeP_> i was a buyer
[22:29] <edman007> DeeeeP_, so tell paypal its defective and mail an empty box to the seller, give paypal your tracking number, when they open it you get your money back
[22:29] <edman007> thats why paypal sucks
[22:29] <DeeeeP_> it was not with paypal
[22:29] <Shingoshi> How can I get xfce to use only one mouse theme in every window? I see no way of doing that.
[22:29] <DeeeeP_> bank transfer
[22:30] <Soul_keeper> SlackLnx,  I had to hack the configure script to make it want to build the shared libraries, they've got some kinda bug
[22:30] <edman007> DeeeeP_, well thats the problem
[22:30] <edman007> on ebay, if you are the buyer, use paypal
[22:30] <DeeeeP_> yeah , no insurance
[22:30] <edman007> you can screw over anyone with paypal
[22:30] <DeeeeP_> ebay could help me anyway
[22:31] <DeeeeP_> they sent me those polite emails with bullshit talk , but no help
[22:31] <andarius> Shingoshi: i dont understand your question
[22:31] <DeeeeP_> all i asked was info about the seller
[22:31] <edman007> their policy is if the buyer said it was broken and said they returned it then they return the money, and it basically takes a lawsuit to reverse their decision
[22:31] <DeeeeP_> they prefered to protect the criminal
[22:31] <Soul_keeper> SlackLnx, i've failed you, no good still
[22:32] <edman007> Soul_keeper, you can probably disable it in X
[22:33] <Shingoshi> andarius: The windows of apps which aren't a part of xfce have a different cursor in them.
[22:34] <Shingoshi> Firefox, Thunderbird, Konversation to name a few.
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[22:34] <andarius> different as not from the xfce cursor theme you are using ? as that should not happen
[22:34] <Shingoshi> Someone in #xfce said it's fixed by rebooting.
[22:34] <andarius> are you starting up and kde type services that may be interfering?
[22:34] <SlackLnx> Soul_keeper, inside alpine.slackbuild i change SSLTYPE=unix, and now i have no problem :)
[22:35] <andarius> i dont see how rebooting would affect your cursor theme
[22:35] <SlackLnx> make slx SSLTYPE=unix.nopwd
[22:35] <SlackLnx> php.slackbuild only works if i have alpine source :(
[22:36] <Shingoshi> andarius: It would reset the interface. Maybe not needing to reboot. But to definitely sign out and back in again.
[22:36] <SlackLnx> and i don't know why
[22:36] <andarius> Shingoshi: how about a bit more background. is thie 12.1/12.2, a new install, an upgrade ?
[22:36] <Shingoshi> This is slackware-current
[22:36] <andarius> s/thie/this/
[22:36] Action: andarius bows out of this one
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[22:39] <edman007> andarius, no, its a real issue, basically the issue is that some apps don't use the default cursor
[22:39] <andarius> edman007: i did not say it was nto real. i said i will bow out.
[22:39] <edman007> lol
[22:39] <edman007> why is the gentoo wiki like changed?
[22:40] <andarius> i have a very fixed position. if some one wants to use a devel release they should be able to dig down and figure out whether this is a real problem, upstream, a bug, or whatever
[22:40] <pirving> does anyone know the best desktop out on the market is? CPU wize and Ram Wize?
[22:40] <danc3> pirving: that question cannot be answered
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[22:40] <pirving> why not?
[22:40] <danc3> the "best desktop" for what?
[22:40] <edman007> andarius, its not a bug, its an inconsistency between different applications
[22:40] <andarius> edman007: i dont have a prblem
[22:40] <pirving> i don't know, maybe I should look at dell
[22:40] <danc3> yeah maybe
[22:40] <danc3> or build your own
[22:40] <pirving> I'm just looking for a high power rig
[22:41] <andarius> and my versions are likely the same if not up on -current in a few places
[22:41] <edman007> andarius, what window manager?
[22:41] <andarius> xfce
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[22:41] <edman007> on my system i have a dark blue mouse for xchat and a solid black one for ff
[22:41] <edman007> it differs, but not by much
[22:42] <andarius> mine is consistent across the board. though i am not running -current. or even slackware for that matter
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[22:42] <edman007> its because FF seems to be forcing to the default X cursor instead of the default chosen by the WM
[22:42] <andarius> what version of FF ?
[22:42] <Soul_keeper> SlackLnx, odd   i was noticing the php devs blaming the libtool devs here ....   http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=36960
[22:42] <edman007> 3.x
[22:42] <andarius> i have 3.0.7 and no such issue
[22:43] <DeiBellum> Good Evening slackers
[22:43] <andarius> you said it is a known issue, link ?
[22:43] <edman007> andarius, what mouse icon do you have in FF?
[22:43] <Soul_keeper> i'm happy to say i don't need php for anything :)
[22:43] <andarius> my cursor theme is the default
[22:43] <andarius> and is uniform across the board as stated
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[22:44] <Shingoshi> edman007: I was able to get Firefox and Thunderbird to use the correct theme by simply resetting it.
[22:44] <Shingoshi> We'll see how long that lasts.
[22:44] <edman007> andarius, well thats why ;)
[22:44] <edman007> of course i just don't care, they are close enough for me :D
[22:45] <DeiBellum> quick question regarding a static IP set up. Whenever I set my server to a static IP I am never able to get past the gateway. Is there something special that I should be doing in netconfig?
[22:45] <andarius> edman007: if a default theme is fine and a non-default is not where should one assume the problem lies?
[22:45] <edman007> andarius, like i said, i just don't care
[22:45] <andarius> lol
[22:45] <andarius> not do i, as mine works
[22:46] <frullet_> DeiBellum: cat /etc/resolv.conf make sure your using the right gateway
[22:47] Nick change: Dinde -> DInde
[22:47] <DeiBellum> frullet_, all that is in my resolv.conf is my Domain
[22:48] <DeiBellum> cat resolv.conf yields 'seach LocalDomain'
[22:48] <DeiBellum> search*
[22:48] <frullet_> DeiBellum: add this line to your resolv.conf: nameserver <yourgateway>
[22:49] <DeiBellum> done.
[22:49] <DeiBellum> and I am going to guess that I have to reboot
[22:49] <frullet_> DeiBellum: no, you dont
[22:50] <chance22> It takes effect immediately.
[22:50] <DeiBellum> hmm
[22:50] <DeiBellum> well I am still unable to to see outside the network
[22:50] <DeiBellum> ..<
[22:50] <DeiBellum> >.<
[22:50] <chance22> I set mine to use OpenDNS, on my slower wifi it actually seems to speed up page loading. nameserver 208.67.222.222
[22:50] <DeiBellum> stupid me
[22:50] <chance22> can you ping a site?
[22:51] <DeiBellum> now I can.
[22:51] <DeiBellum> I forgot to remove the <> at the end. Just me being retarded
[22:51] <frullet_> DeiBellum: Well atleast its working now
[22:51] <chance22> Coffee helps.
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[22:51] <DeiBellum> yep, thank you very much
[22:52] <frullet_> No problem
[22:52] <DeiBellum> chance22, not me, caffine puts me to sleep
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[22:52] <chance22> I've been there, I had to cut back to 6 cups a day.
[22:52] <chance22> It was making me drowsy after that.
[22:52] <DeiBellum> Well, one of the "energy" drinks knock me out in about 10-20min
[22:52] <chance22> That's from coming off the sugar rush?
[22:53] <DeiBellum> i guess, but it means that I don't get much of an energy boost
[22:53] <chance22> I still want to try some of that caffeinated soap from ThinkGeek.
[22:53] <DeiBellum> lol
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[22:53] <DeiBellum> well I can point you to a review of some of the different energy drinks
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[22:54] <chance22> I'll stick with my Cafe Bustelo. Espresso with a slight hint of chocolate.
[22:56] <spideryummy> im trying to only install aaa_base REQUIRED in slackware, + lilo...but i cannot boot...having problem with /sbin/agetty respawning...what particular package should i add ( aside from the REQUIRED ) ???
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[22:58] <spideryummy> i just want to boot into bash in slackware...
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[23:00] <chance22> you only installed aaa_base? not the entire a series?
[23:01] <dtanner> =0
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[23:01] <spideryummy> yeah
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[23:02] <spideryummy> only the required + lilo
[23:02] <chance22> spideryummy: Taking a quick peek at the a series, bash is a separate package from aaa_base contained in the a series. You should install the entire a series.
[23:03] <spideryummy> chance22, i just want to install the most minimal....
[23:04] <chance22> spideryummy: I've never tried not installing the whole thing, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. But you might take another look at the entire a series and decide what you should install.
[23:04] <spideryummy> bash is required in aaa-base
[23:04] <spideryummy> thats what i did...by trial and error..
[23:04] <spideryummy> if i do entire aaaa_base , its ok
[23:05] <chance22> Right, I figured that's what you were after. Well, I'm not really sure then. I think there's somebody more knowledgable around here.
[23:05] <spideryummy> if i install the entire aaa_base, it brings me to bash..ok.
[23:06] <edman007> spideryummy, a minimum install is everything in a/
[23:06] <spideryummy> n
[23:06] <spideryummy> no
[23:06] <edman007> if you want to skip things in a/, well you should be skilled enough not to ask
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[23:08] <wat|windows> hi
[23:08] <wat|windows> sup
[23:08] <bittin> hi
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[23:21] <edman007> wat|windows, sup hi
[23:21] <edman007> hi sup
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[23:31] <DeiBellum> just out of curiosity, is there any way to run an FTP with SSL?
[23:32] <andarius> sftp ?
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[23:33] <edman007> DeiBellum, FTPS is what you are looking for, but IMHO sftp/scp is so much less work
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[23:33] <DeiBellum> edman007, aha, ok
[23:33] <edman007> btw, i never set up an FTPS server, but i have seen clients supporting it
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[23:34] <jardiolen> what packages from the aaa_base should i pick up so that slackware can boot and drop me off to bash shell....I tried the REQUIRED + lilo, it seems not enough. I dont want to install entire aaa_base, but must select only the necesary..
[23:35] <wat|windows> why doesnt slackware use grub
[23:35] <DeiBellum> jardiolen, have you looked on linuxquestions.org for the thread regarding a minimal slackware install?
[23:36] <DeiBellum> wat|windows, because that is what the team decided, I think that LILO is more basic and more stable
[23:36] <DeiBellum> wat|windows, grub is in /extra if you want it
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[23:37] <edman007> wat|windows, LILO is better with funny hardware, historically slack has tried to support very old hardware, and thus LILO has been a better choice
[23:37] <dtanner> DeiBellum: agreed , i have been using slack since 3.x and lilo has always proved very stable. i started to use grub a few times for the hell of it but why rock a stable boat ? =)
[23:38] <dtanner> edman007: how are you tonight ?
[23:38] <edman007> good
[23:38] <edman007> too much of nothing though :/
[23:38] <dtanner> glad to hear
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[23:38] <edman007> well i should be doing something
[23:39] <dtanner> yeah , i am just about to hit the "order" button on a rather large purchase for my studio
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[23:39] <edman007> jardiolen, aaa_base is NOT a minimal install, its just a set of things that everyone should have, it does not constitute a bootable system
[23:39] <dtanner> edman007: i am going to set up MPD ) music player daemon ) for a small project tonight to keep me busy
[23:39] <edman007> dtanner, nice
[23:40] <dtanner> I used to use icecast/shoutcast but  i want to try something different for streaming audio
[23:40] <dtanner> just for the heck of it
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[23:41] <dtanner> edman007: the install went very smooth , now i am going to dig into the .conf file
[23:41] <edman007> yea, i need free time
[23:41] <edman007> so much stuff to do, so little time
[23:41] <edman007> :(
[23:41] <edman007> i need to finish school
[23:41] <edman007> ..
[23:42] <edman007> can't come soon enough
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[23:42] <dtanner> I had a great day though , my gf bought me some fresh cigars , i tooka couple of nice rides on the bike , it was a beautiful day today for a ride. had a great dinner and just goofing off right now
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[23:51] <edman007> dtanner, smoking sucks
[23:51] <edman007> but the other stuff sounds nice
[23:51] <dive> sound like a good day to me
[23:52] <dtanner> edman007: yeah , i like my cigars , one of my bad habits that tastes so good :)
[23:52] <dive> and it's a friday too
[23:52] <edman007> s/good/bad/
[23:52] <dtanner> that counts too dive
[23:52] <edman007> spring break here
[23:52] <dive> dtanner, i want your life - gimme
[23:52] <edman007> so just a very long weekend :)
[23:52] <dtanner> edman007: you go back to school monday ?
[23:53] <edman007> dtanner, yes...but i got no classes monday, so i can wait until tuesday :)
[23:53] <dtanner> dive: the grass always looks greeener , i am sure you enjoy life =) you are a slacker !
[23:53] Action: edman007 only has a 4 day school week
[23:53] <dive> this is true
[23:53] <dtanner> i also just ordered the new additions to my studio gear today
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[23:54] <dtanner> will be here in 3-5 business days
[23:54] <dive> what do you play?
[23:54] <dtanner> setting up everything else that i already have in storage this weekend
[23:54] <dtanner> so i have a busy weekend getting all of that setup
[23:54] <dive> whuch intrument?
[23:55] <dtanner> dive: guitar,bass,percussion ( and learning the keyboard) and i am a sound engineer with my own studio gear
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[23:55] <dive> sounds good
[23:55] <dtanner> it's hella fun
[23:55] <azucar> 'Ello
[23:55] <dive> I play(ed) guitar for a while but haven't felt like it for a few years
[23:56] <dtanner> dive:  do you stil lhave your gear ?
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[23:56] <dive> dunno if I can ever go on stage again
[23:56] <dive> yes I still have guitar and amp
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[23:58] <dive> I was getting into folk so maybe find a local group and stick to acoustic but I'm not sure at the moment
[23:58] <dive> leave the headbanging stuff alone
[23:58] <dtanner> i like a lot of different styles
[23:59] <dive> yeah it's all good
[23:59] <dtanner> jazz,rock,blues
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