[00:00] understatement [00:00] yeah, it was bad [00:00] but it's cool. i'm downloading Lords ff Dogtown, then while i watch that and pass out, I will be getting the slack64 13 dvd, which ill have to do tnhings manually. as far as the local repos, all of my personal slackbuilds and packages went bye bye D: [00:00] s/ff/of/ [00:01] why dont you try to recover it [00:01] how? [00:01] newslacker (~kccopling@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [00:01] rsync --delete [00:01] i dont know, see if there are utilities to recover your stuff on your file system [00:01] delete doesn't REALLY mean delete [00:01] the more you write, the higher chance of losing your data [00:02] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:02] i'm fine with it. once i get the 64bit dvd, i'll set up chroot for sb's like BP{k} suggested [00:03] then, i'll probably just ls /tmp/SBo > output and redownload those [00:03] ok [00:03] i might take advantage of the sbopkg's local repo options [00:03] anyone use them? [00:04] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:04] nope [00:04] brb [00:05] johnbristol (johnbrist@cpc3-aztw22-2-0-cust21.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:06] Nick change: mikee -> mfreenet [00:06] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [00:09] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-86-80.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [00:09] kccopling (~kccopling@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [00:11] hi [00:11] heya,kccopling [00:13] obnauticus (~obnauticu@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [00:14] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [00:18] zed_DX (~kvirc@189.182.47.114) joined ##slackware. [00:21] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:26] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.60) left irc: Quit: velusip [00:28] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:35] hmm, that's odd. there's no slackbuild for openvpn [00:35] it's included in slackware officially is why [00:36] and i bet you mean not SBO slackbuild, cause Pat's got one in the official stuff [00:36] Action: BP{k} gives mancha a beer. [00:36] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:37] which is good since I use it to work from home :) [00:37] ah, well that's a good reason [00:37] danke schoen :> [00:38] brbrbr (~basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [00:39] openvpn, i must say, is a very nice solution. [00:39] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:40] i currently in the process of finding a good vpn service provider. tried one that was no good; found one that looks very promising but is a little more expensive than i want to pay [00:40] i'm* [00:47] amazon10x: I recently had witopia.net recommended to me for a third party VPN service. I have no deirtect experience with them so it's just for info :) [00:47] NyteOwl: alright, i'll check them out. thanks [00:50] hah they charge 39.99/year if you use pptp and 59.99/year if you use openvpn [00:51] it's a service like web hosting - you expected free? :) [00:51] $60/yr is fine by me [00:51] no, i just didnt' expect ssl to be 50% more expensive than pptp [00:51] this might be another retarded question... is there a way to set sbopkg to install after each package? [00:52] queing does to fucking good for queing up deps in order [00:52] they don't have a very wide selection of servers though. only 3 countris (us, uk, china) [00:52] Cann0n: sbopkg -i? [00:52] mancha you get more services/capability with the openvpn option [00:53] amazon10x: yes, more location options would be nice [00:54] BP{k}: nope. if i want to install C, which needs B, which needs A, i qued them up as ABC. well compiling them in order would work if in was compile A, install A. Compile B, install B, compile C, install C [00:54] but it's compile ABC, install ABC [00:55] Cann0n: no it is not afaik ... [00:55] eh... hmm [00:55] sQuEE (~narya@201.252.25.192) joined ##slackware. [00:55] mine compiles the list before in installs [00:55] s/in/it/ [00:56] Cann0n: what is your sbopkg version? [00:56] 0.31.0 [00:56] MouthBreather (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-djpxeauofyvlbnyf) joined ##slackware. [00:57] :D [00:57] what is up, fellow slackers [00:58] you know what, never mind. i'm just gonna do it by hand. wasting the time to search, add and sort using sbo was a waste of time. [00:58] "there's always your hand" -ancient chinese proverb [00:58] haha [00:58] lol [00:58] hahaha [00:58] true that [00:59] LOL [00:59] did i join #sparta? [00:59] as confuscius saids .. "men who does it by hand, has hairy palms" [01:00] pff [01:00] who is on the sbopkg dev? [01:00] chess is. [01:01] you have something against asexuals? to spread such fud and myths [01:01] not sure who else. why? [01:01] i'd like to suggest an option to install after each compile vs install after all compile [01:01] budding off copies may be hardful to one's health [01:02] *harm [01:02] Cann0n: that option is already there. [01:02] i want an option to just do what i meant [01:02] BP{k}: where at? [01:03] Cann0n: sbopkg -i .. I told you. [01:03] Prefect (~Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [01:03] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.72.24) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet? [01:03] BP{k}: no, i'm talking about the queue list [01:03] Cann0n: you got told! [01:04] if you mark 15 items to get compiled and installed, it will compile ALL before ANY install [01:05] does it do the same thing with 2 items? [01:05] Cann0n: hm. I just tried "sbopkg -i "libetpan claws-mail" for S&G, and it neatly installed libetpan before moving on to claws. [01:05] hmm [01:05] it skips the install on mine [01:05] kccopling (~kccopling@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:05] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:06] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [01:06] slib libofx ORbit2 GConf libtasn1 gnome-keyring gnome-mime-data libbonobo gnome-vfs libgnomecanvas libgnome libbonoboui libgnomeui libgnomecups libgnomeprint libgnomeprintui gtkhtml goffice [01:06] i have some of those, but it's all needed for gnucash [01:07] newslacker (~kccopling@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: No route to host [01:07] holy guacamole [01:07] Prefect (~Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [01:07] all for a crappy little accounting program that can be beat by pencil and paper? ;) [01:08] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-071-068-037-030.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:08] Cann0n: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/tuaPDC86.html .. check around line: 5232 [01:08] hmm [01:09] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:11] BP{k}: can you pastebin your /etc/sbopkg/sbopkg.conf ? [01:11] pretty please. i wont ask you no more things until april [01:11] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/7ARErR68.html [01:12] did you modify yours? [01:12] yours is very different from mine. :X [01:12] you weren't going to ask :P [01:12] lol sorry. fine [01:12] lol [01:13] Cann0n: no, I don't believe I have modified it. [01:13] Cann0n: note .. this is sbopkg v 0.32.0 [01:14] newslacker (~kccopling@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [01:14] ah [01:14] Action: Cann0n destroys sbopkg 0.31.0 and goes for 0.32.0 [01:16] s/destroys/upgrades/ [01:19] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:20] well, that mas a bad idea [01:20] now it tries to install but i get http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/BlgYMm85.html [01:20] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-167-94.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:21] errors.... [01:21] i've seen tons of them recently [01:27] anyone else here? [01:28] Is gargamel from LQ here? [01:28] brbrbr (~basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:28] Speaking of LQ, is it just me or has LQ been timing out login sessions after around ten minutes or so? [01:29] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:29] its the moron content of lq [01:30] Cann0n why not just do as you said, compile->install each individually [01:30] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-14.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [01:30] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:31] mancha: i know, it's faster... but if sbopkg works fine on others, why isn't it for me? [01:31] zed_DX (~kvirc@189.182.47.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:32] Cann0n *shrug* i don't think i've been within 10 miles of a computer running sbopkg [01:33] Nick change: antiwire -> SwampDonkey [01:33] antler (~antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [01:34] mancha: i haven't been within 10 miles of a computer with linux that i didn't set up [01:39] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:39] i just meant i know nothing of sbopkg so can't help at all :/ [01:40] ah lol [01:40] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-071-068-037-030.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:43] Nick change: nyRednek -> brklynRednek [01:44] naraku (~supergear@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:47] dragonfist (~user@202.70.54.203) joined ##slackware. [01:49] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [01:52] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:55] newslacker (~kccopling@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Excess Flood [01:56] newslacker (~kccopling@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [01:56] i gotta change my terminal colors ...i cannot see the regular blue on black very well :-/ [01:58] go go green/black :) [01:59] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.122.232) joined ##slackware. [02:09] cyan on black is pretty but green or amber is easier on the eyes [02:10] Nick change: SwampDonkey -> antiwire [02:10] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-232-172.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [02:10] i never have much luck tweaking .Xdefaults and then running xrdb [02:10] seems like the settings take affect randomly :-/ [02:11] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:12] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-166-145.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [02:13] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [02:15] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.34) joined ##slackware. [02:15] I am setting up Slackware for a friend, so how do I set the runlevel so it starts and shuts down using X? [02:15] change /etc/inittab [02:16] ok; I hope it or man documents what to do.... [02:16] i think there are a lot of comments in there [02:16] dchmelik: http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/sdeg/gui_startup-2.htm [02:16] just open the damn file and read it [02:17] lol antiwire [02:18] ok; it says something strange; that the runlevel 4 'used to be for X'.... [02:18] oh... an X 'only' system, nm [02:19] skip that part of the reading [02:19] that's pat's mental masturbation [02:19] well, apparently 4 is still the correct runlevel [02:20] you are tonight;s winner [02:20] man inittab #is pretty useful, you oughta read it sometime :) [02:20] you get a ticket for 2 to lovely port-au-prince [02:21] naraku (~supergear@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:22] mancha: only after the hotels open [02:22] mancha: and that better come with two 12 packs of trojan extreme protection [02:23] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [02:23] Action: NyteOwl waits for them to bring out a Molon Labe model [02:23] where do you live so i can go punch you? [02:24] mancha: who? [02:24] brklynRednek is now known as txRednek :P [02:25] Nick change: terry -> Guest57602 [02:25] trhodes: i'm not in tx, though [02:25] you can run but you cannot hide [02:26] Who needs to hide? I have assorted handgun calibers and rifles and lots of flat land surrounding me. ;-) [02:26] but i have commando skills [02:26] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:27] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [02:27] Anyone happen to have an old cellphone that presents a browsable (via bluez) obex filesystem? By "old" I mean one that you'd otherwise be planning to trash, but instead will ship to me for testing purposes... [02:27] I *had* one, but it's MIA. [02:27] i can get in & out before you even have a chance to type: http://www.midgetsex.com [02:27] :) [02:27] I have one so old it doesn't have a filesystem hehe [02:28] heh [02:28] My blackberry, for whatever reason, isn't browsable. [02:28] i duno if mine is [02:28] i never used it [02:28] rworkman: I'd love to be able to access the filesystem in my Sanyo but it seems to be locked down quite tightly [02:28] Well, I've got to have one locally before I can even hope to get bluez4 into Slackware. [02:28] NyteOwl: figures [02:29] The MIA phone is probably in my daughter's room somewhere. She likes hiding phones. [02:29] I can't even get the device recognized (though it's a USB interface [02:29] My BlackBerry was missing for almost two full days :/ [02:30] What's dmesg show? [02:31] dragonfist (~user@202.70.54.203) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:32] Nothing I could make ehad or tales out of. I forget the exact message at the moment. I'dd try and grab it tomorrow if you're interested [02:32] s/I'dd/I'll/ [02:33] so on Slacwkare 13, I set runlevel 4 on a Dell laptop for my sister and a friend, and then when kdm or whatever starts up for kde4, the I/O devices cannot input a user name, but I can back to the console.... [02:33] damn, i think my blackberry's too old [02:34] 0330 - time for ebd - g'nite all [02:34] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [02:35] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [02:35] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) joined ##slackware. [02:37] should I just install kde3? [02:40] maybe I left out some X I/O library.... [02:40] you didn't do a full install ? [02:40] of course not [02:40] actually i think most people do [02:46] I have xf86 keyboard, mouse, vmmouse, void, dummy installed... as I thought. Is anything else required for a laptop? [02:46] I think that is all the X I/O stuff I had installed on it for Slackware 12.2. a couple hours ago and kde3 worked.... [02:47] There's no magic involved. You're installing this for someone else, so if it doesn't "just work" for them, you look bad. You're trying to do an expert install, but maybe you should reconsider that. [02:48] Why is it that *you* want to do a minimal install to a *laptop* while *I* have a *full* install on a *SheevaPlug* device? That should tell you something. [02:48] I always do... I want to save space. [02:48] Why? [02:49] because I do not make large root partitions, and I would prefer if there were not unnecessary files on them [02:49] Granted, it doesn't really matter why. The point I'm shooting for is back there in my first statement in this exchange. :) [02:49] my stupid ass intel x25-m is giving me latency issues man fark [02:50] ...sheevaplug...cool... [02:50] o_o;; [02:51] You remember back in middle/high school when you thought so much of the crap in $random class was worthless? Maybe it was or maybe it wasn't, but either way, you didn't know enough then to tell the difference between what was useful and what was not. [02:51] Modern drives are large enough to dedicated 8gig to / [02:51] i've done full installs on hardware spec'd lower than a sheevaplug [02:51] Then the rest to /home [02:52] fhobia: yes, it's nice. :) [02:52] If you want to, use LVM so you can resize as needed. [02:52] If you're installing for someone else who can't manage proper Linux admin stuff, why are you even considering Slackware? [02:53] It's an awesome distro, but it isn't hold-your-hand friendly. [02:53] it is more friendly than Ubuntu, because first of all it would not boot, 2nd of all, the install from windows gave some incomprehensible error log [02:54] Install... from... Windows... [02:54] Slackware can be made friendly... otherwise I would not use it myself [02:54] yes, Ubuntu has a thing that lets you install it from Windows, but it does not work [02:54] actually, a thing to make it so it will install, but it is done in Windows [02:54] Then why use that thing? [02:55] because the CD did not boot by itself [02:55] Most distros can resize the Win32 partition itself. [02:55] I have never seen a Ubuntu CD boot [02:55] Burn the CD in DAO. [02:55] Action: Motoko-chan has [02:55] I did [02:55] If you burn TAO, it won't boot properly. [02:55] Action: Motoko-chan has done that a few times [02:55] wertik_ (~wertik@89-178-3-52.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:56] If I may suggest... [02:56] http://www.mandriva.com/ [02:56] Nice and friendly for the non-techy. [02:56] I made the Ubuntu CD the same way I made my Slackware one... and if it cannot work like Slackware, it is not worth using [02:56] I've had wonderful success with it. [02:56] Oh, and it often "just works". [02:57] Heck, I use it daily for desktop needs. Slackware is great and all, but I like the polish of Mdv on the desktop side. [02:57] Nick change: wertik_ -> werik_rus [02:58] Slackware 'just works' for me even for desktop use [02:58] Nick change: werik_rus -> wertik_rus [02:58] even right now ? [02:58] If it "just works", why are you asking for help? [02:58] ^_^ [02:59] because kdm does not work on a laptop [02:59] KDM works fine on a laptop. [02:59] tt4098 (~wertik@89-178-57-201.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [02:59] Action: Motoko-chan has an old Toshiba that had 13.0 on it, and KDM ran fine [02:59] I wiped it tonight to try Fedora. It's my tester laptop since it has no battery. [03:00] kdm works on my laptop im using right now [03:00] kdm works great on my laptop too (slackware64-current) [03:00] gdm works even better :) [03:00] I knew that was coming. :P [03:00] I always liked getty. [03:01] apparently there is some xf86-input* that is probably for laptops [03:01] I hear XDM is nice, but why change? [03:01] I installed xf86-input* and it works [03:01] If you don't have any of the Xorg input drivers, then how did you expect to get *input* in X? [03:02] any startx users here? wo0o0o0o0o00o0o [03:02] as I said earlier, I had the ones for keyboard mouse, vmmouse, void, dummy installed [03:02] naraku (~quassel@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:02] You need evdev for sure. :) [03:02] fhobia: Yes. [03:02] 8) me too [03:03] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:03] well try out the different ones till you find the 1 you want lol [03:03] I think I recall needing evdev on 12.2 or 13.0 on my desktop... that is weird [03:03] pipes (~pipes@freedomisnothingtofear.com) joined ##slackware. [03:05] X on linux needs xf86-input-evdev. [03:05] (recent X anyway) [03:05] Well, nini time for me. [03:06] good night rworkman [03:06] rworkman: night [03:06] thanks :) [03:06] arescorpio (~arescorpi@190.30.10.129) joined ##slackware. [03:10] Jeffm312 (~chatzilla@CPE002401294afe-CM0019477f2b7e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [03:11] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:11] arescorpio (~arescorpi@190.30.10.129) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [03:11] naraku (~quassel@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:12] naraku (~quassel@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:12] Hello, fsck says that "the superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem".. Anyone have any ideas on how to repair it? (It's an ext3 fs by the way) [03:16] Jeffm312 (~chatzilla@CPE002401294afe-CM0019477f2b7e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:17] Jeffm312: Is that coming from a system that won't boot now but has booted before? [03:17] Jeffm312 (~chatzilla@CPE002401294afe-CM0019477f2b7e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [03:17] Jeffm312: 07:16:35 < antiwire> Jeffm312: Is that coming from a system that won't boot now but has booted before? [03:17] Yep [03:18] Try reinstalling lilo [03:18] wow ol' eagle eyes fire|bird :P [03:18] haha [03:18] Jeff, what block size did you yse? [03:18] use* [03:18] No idea [03:19] Hmm -- Initially the problem was it was telling me there was a bad sector in the drive (kernel panic error -- And I could still boot windows on my other partition), but I booted off of the CD and changed something in lilo.conf and ever since I've just been getting that error [03:20] tune2fs -l /dev/yourdevice | grep "Block size" [03:21] 4096 [03:23] so then try fsck.ext3 -b 32768 /dev/yourdev [03:24] Alright, running [03:24] worstbassplayer (~eddie@189.107.4.37) joined ##slackware. [03:24] tsccof (~martin@189.74.210.90) joined ##slackware. [03:25] Out of curiosity, why 32768? [03:25] cause thats 2^15 [03:25] Ahh [03:27] test [03:29] qneo (~knao@adsl-d12.84-47-86.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [03:31] tsccof (~martin@189.74.210.90) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:31] tsccof (~martin@201-35-180-245.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:31] Alrighty, rediculous amount of things fixed.. reboot time [03:33] Ok, same error on boot -- with something else [03:33] can i haz error message? [03:33] "...(Or give root password for sys. maintenance):Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = -181439298 ns) [03:34] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [03:34] Hold on, ill get you the actual error message [03:34] ok, that clocsource tsc thing is gone on reboot [03:35] tsccof (~martin@201-35-180-245.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:36] "An error occurred during the root filesystem check. You will now be given a chance to log into the system in single-user mode to fix the problem. (linebreak * 2) If you are using the Ext2 filesystem, running 'e2fsck -v -y ' might help." [03:37] yar run it again. [03:37] tsccof (~martin@201-35-149-97.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:38] fsck.ext3 -v -y /dev/yourdev [03:38] should I include -b 32768? [03:38] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-28.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:38] negatory [03:38] that ship has sailed [03:39] at least i hope it's been corrected and no longer needed... [03:39] It just says /dev/sda3 clean, 670642/2482176 files, 7494054/... blocks [03:40] ok, so the fs is now clean, this is good. [03:40] is the mbr in good shape? if not maybe you need to re-write the mbr too [03:40] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.47.59) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:41] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.47.59) joined ##slackware. [03:41] Ugh, haven't used linux in a while -- what would the command be? [03:41] when you boot what comes up, a lilo screen? if you select windows all is good and the error comes from selecting slackware? [03:41] Yes [03:41] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:42] ok this is troubling actually. try rebooting once more as is. if this fails, we'll re-run lilo to squash the mbr [03:42] Could my lilo.conf cause the issue? [03:42] pastebin.com it [03:43] I will -- lemme boot back up into single user mode (There was a way to boot from disk and have it work, wish I could remember that) [03:43] but i doubt it, you said fsck.ext3 spit out error diarrhea, right? that means your fs was foobar [03:45] http://pastebin.com/BnnHnM9w [03:46] tavl_ (~tavl@189.70.250.196) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:47] Zoubiddaaa (~Zoubiddaa@2001:7a8:34d5::1:102) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:49] OH -- I think I may have just found what could be causing the issue [03:49] this should be good [03:51] Apparently on boot it's trying to do something with /dev/sda4 (doesn't exist). Normally the welcome message cuts it off screen, but I saw it this time: /bin/e2fsck: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/sda4: The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct filesystem..... [03:51] which is the correct device? [03:52] dev/sda3 [03:52] rewrite the mbr then [03:52] are you in as single user? /sbin/lilo -v [03:52] make sure /dev/sda3 is specified in /etc/lilo.conf [03:53] mancha: Fatal: creat /boot/map~: Read-only file system [03:54] make sure /dev/sda3 is not mounted, then mount it to some point /mnt/sda3 for example [03:54] chroot /mnt/sda3 [03:54] mount /proc [03:54] then do the lilo business [03:56] Apparently /mnt/sda3 does not exist [03:57] Jeffm312: ok... [03:57] right, just mount it to an existing directory [03:57] Jeffm312: why should it exist? [03:57] because if it's read-only you probably won't be able to create one [04:01] Ok, so when i try to umount /dev/sda3, apparently it's not mounted -- however when I try to mount it to an empty folder, "it's already mounted or the folder is busy" [04:02] reboot and at the lilo prompt hit tab the Linux root=/dev/sda3 rw [04:02] replace Linux with whatever you put for your lilo label [04:02] Yeah [04:02] or use your slackware boot disk which would be a little safer. [04:03] OH WOW [04:04] When I use the rw boot option, it only gives me a message telling me I should boot read-only, and then proceeds to login screen [04:04] No fs error [04:04] that's good [04:04] Jeffm312: that's a good sign [04:04] that is just because it couldn't run fsck [04:04] :) [04:04] yay! [04:04] Jeffm312: now edit your /etc/lilo.conf and run lilo [04:05] ditto [04:05] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.122.232) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:05] What needs to be changed in lilo.conf, just change to rw? [04:05] no [04:05] Jeffm312: no, the /dev/sd(whatever) [04:05] root = /dev/sda3 is the correct entry [04:05] Yeah [04:06] http://pastebin.com/BnnHnM9w [04:06] it is /dev/sda3 [04:06] okay, i had this problem. [04:07] in your /etc/fstab do you have any thing like data=writeback ? [04:07] or any extra option for your root partition [04:09] and do not change lilo.conf to rw [04:09] vastina (jaird@64.215.163.99) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [04:09] The only thing with /dev/sda3 is: /dev/sda3 /ntfs_drive2 ntfs-3g umask=022 1 0 [04:09] well there ya go [04:09] i'm hoping your linux partition is not ntfs [04:09] Oh crap, that should be ext3, now shouldn't it [04:09] no [04:09] ext3 [04:10] or ext4 if you used the default file system selection during install [04:10] nick4 (~fffeop@62.1.63.4.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:10] /dev/sda3 / ext3 default 1 0 [04:11] Also, i've found out why /dev/sda4 -- it's the first line of the file, set to mount to / as ext3 [04:12] which ever is your ntfs partition should be mounted where you had sda3 being mounted. /ntfs_drive2 or whatever [04:12] So, just change /dev/sda3 to ext3? [04:12] fdisk -l will list all your partitions. [04:13] /dev/sda3 / ext3 default 1 0 [04:13] oops [04:13] /dev/sda3 / ext3 defaults 1 0 [04:13] with the s [04:13] yeah [04:14] As per /dev/sda4, since the partition does not actually exist, it is safe to comment out/delete that line, right? [04:14] do as Motoko-chan said to check our partitions [04:14] Did so [04:15] /dev/sda1 = dells 10mb partition [04:15] how did this happen?!? [04:15] dev/sda2 = windows partition [04:15] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-3-52.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:15] and sda3 = slackware [04:15] Maybe 4 does exist, but is swap? [04:15] how does the mbr, the ext3 fs, and the fstab go bad at once? [04:15] sounds like he repartitioned. [04:15] or resized [04:16] I've resized, yeah [04:16] sounds like he should be kept away from drives [04:16] Heh [04:16] nah, resizing would not explain it all [04:16] how does sda4 become sda3, etc [04:16] true [04:17] And switch between ntfs and ext! [04:17] I have no freaking idea -- I had to modify lilo to sda3 from sda4 in order for it to not give a kernel panic because of an unknown block error [04:17] huh? [04:17] for my linux partition [04:17] you don't modify lilo fro sda3 to sda4 to correct a kernel panic [04:17] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-28.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:18] I know, but it was trying to boot at sda4, and I was fucking around with lilo [04:18] and changing to sda3 seemed to work [04:18] Jeffm312: is it actually ext3 or is it ext4? Slackware normally uses ext4 by default now. [04:18] ext3 -- i'm on 12.2 [04:19] vastina (jaird@64.215.163.99) joined ##slackware. [04:19] nick4 (~fffeop@62.1.63.4.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: [04:19] fucking around and lilo shouldn't be in the same sentence [04:20] Action: Motoko-chan nods [04:20] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-3-52.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:20] Messing around with the boot process for fun is for lunatics. [04:20] Heh, well through my messing around I eventually got an animated boot loader, so i'm happy [04:21] Action: Motoko-chan is going to sleep now... [04:21] g'nite [04:21] night [04:21] night [04:21] and thanks [04:21] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4134, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-03-15 04:15:14 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [04:23] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [04:24] alrighty [04:24] http://burnitdown.net/fstab.txt [04:24] how does that look [04:26] you should delete /dev/sda4 line if it doesn't exit. [04:26] Yeah, im gonna now [04:27] just rebooted and all worked [04:27] Thanks a billion [04:27] Now I feel like hitting that donate button [04:27] the ntfs partition should be 1 1 not 1 0 [04:27] none of us'll see any of that $$ [04:27] Hehe [04:28] You'll see it in the form of (Hopefully sometime soon) the dev deciding to move back to KDE 3.5! [04:28] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.254.219.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [04:28] and if you don't have a floppy then comment out /dev/fd0 as well [04:28] ;) [04:28] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-166-145.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [04:28] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [04:31] Alright, fd0 commented out and the ntfs thing set to 1 1 [04:31] good deal [04:31] What does the second # mean anyways? [04:31] the last one just means which takes preference [04:31] should always have 0 on the end [04:32] / [04:32] Ahh, lower number means higher priority? [04:32] yes [04:32] Ok [04:32] man fstab tells more than I can [04:32] kk [04:33] Now, if I could only figure out how I magically made dev/sda4 /sda3 and so on... [04:39] every time I try to accomplish something important, it seems as though the universe is against me [04:41] finally figure out that you are human? [04:41] ;) [04:42] it is a psychological idealisation, not a fact [04:43] Mmm, I have caffeine pills! [04:43] hmm maybe it was the word "seems" that gave that away [04:44] indeed [04:45] caffeine tastes good [04:45] nom nom nom [04:48] Especially in the form of Bawls mints! [04:54] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [04:58] can anyone do me a favour? [04:58] maybe, what is it ? [04:58] there is a small file that was hosted on filebeam [04:58] but for some reason I can not download it [04:58] can you rehost it for me? [04:58] it is only 0.81MB [04:59] maybe, how should I get it ? [04:59] http://filebeam.com/49f7337be68c42288a1323d17fa02196 [04:59] you will probably be able to download it [04:59] I do download, but the .rar file opens up as a blank one, but it is not [05:00] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [05:00] yeah, i got it [05:00] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [05:00] all 0 bytes of it [05:00] it is blank there as well? [05:00] yep [05:01] thanks anyway trhodes [05:01] I really appreciate your help [05:01] sure thing [05:01] it must be a problem with filebeam [05:01] naraku (~quassel@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:02] these mentos smell like weed [05:04] mentos make my mouth feel gritty [05:04] hmm [05:07] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-079.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [05:10] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:11] Hoogin (hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left ##slackware. [05:11] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-079.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:12] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Quit: unstable connection [05:12] Action: tsccof loves megaupload [05:12] Action: tsccof ate mentos and chocolate and the chocolate tasted like chips [05:13] matze (~matze@188-195-140-113-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [05:13] moin [05:13] gaz (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [05:17] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:19] matze (~matze@188-195-140-113-dynip.superkabel.de) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [05:20] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [05:21] well, I am leaving now, good night [05:21] thanks again trhodes [05:21] tsccof (~martin@201-35-149-97.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: World of Warcraft [05:23] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:24] Asido (~asido@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) joined ##slackware. [05:25] i have a question. i installed a software from a source code (./configure; make; make install). how to delete now that soft? [05:25] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-079.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [05:25] make uninstall [05:25] and pray it's implemented [05:25] otherwise make a build script after the fact (yuck) [05:27] and how to make an uninstall? :) [05:27] how did you make install ? [05:27] ./configure;make;make install [05:27] you tell me, then ;) [05:27] make uninstall? [05:27] yes [05:27] ok :) [05:28] you do still have the source, right ? [05:28] Asido (~asido@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:30] Hushnec (~hp@174-23-38-150.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [05:30] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [05:30] Hushnec kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Patero-ng, the net just got a bit wider. *.slkc.qwest.net is next, and then *.qwest.net. Then everyone on the whole ISP will think you're an asshat; it won't be just us any more :) [05:30] echtts (~echtts@189-18-49-238.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[05:46] he got banned and tried to escape the ban [05:46] so the ban was widened [05:46] echtts_ (~echtts@189-18-49-238.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:46] What was the original offense? [05:47] can't remember [05:47] echtts (~echtts@189-18-49-238.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:47] echtts_ (~echtts@189-18-49-238.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:47] even though I *really* wanted him to be banned xD [05:50] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [05:53] I can't startx. Failed to initialize NVIDIA Kernel Module. Screens found bunt none have usable configuration [05:53] xsamurai (~munki@pool-74-111-197-27.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:54] Azeotrope: Have you fetched `-current'? [05:54] newslacker (~kccopling@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Excess Flood [05:54] newslacker (~kccopling@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [05:54] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:55] Mel-nix: no, I'm gonna stick with 13.0 because -current needs more skills. Now I don't have any other kernel problems / panics. Just the X11 thing [05:55] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [05:55] Azeotrope: Do you know that many packages including `Xorg' are updated in `-current'? [05:56] a fractional number ? [05:57] Mel-nix is right about the updates though [05:57] Azeotrope: Just for you to know, many hours ago, I had the same problem as you (prompt) after runnining mkinitrd(8). It took me just 2 attempts to get the system running normally again. [05:58] Mel-nix: yea, but you know what to do... I switched from Ubuntu. [06:00] Azeotrope: If you see the kernel changelog, you will know how many bugs are fixed between releases. Updating to current will ensure that you will be using `2.6.33', which is much newer than the one included on the DVD. [06:01] and causes much more issues [06:01] zux1wrk (~zux@212.93.97.139) joined ##slackware. [06:04] Mel-nix: any idea for my problem? [06:06] zux1wrk (~zux@212.93.97.139) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [06:07] I have nv in "driver" section of xorg.conf. should it be nvidia? [06:08] only if you want to use the proprietary driver [06:09] I use it. I installed it [06:09] but if i put nvidia it won't work [06:09] Jeffm312 (~chatzilla@CPE002401294afe-CM0019477f2b7e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.2/20100316074819] [06:10] what's the (full) error? [06:11] Failed to initialize NVIDIA Kernel Module. Screens found but none have usable configuration. Fatal server error, no screens found [06:11] Could not open NVIDIA device file /dev/nvidiacrl [06:11] ctl [06:12] Azeotrope, did reinstalling the kernel and running lilo in chroot work for you [06:12] Azeotrope: is the nvidia kernel module loaded? [06:12] pprkut: i did a modprobe nvidia [06:12] oobe: yes. now i'm having issues with the nvidia drivers [06:12] oh ok [06:13] Azeotrope: ok, but is it really loaded? [06:13] i really never have many problems with nvidia [06:13] seems common though [06:13] pprkut: i don't know. how do i check? [06:13] i guess you dont want to hear mine works fine [06:13] lsmod | grep nvidia [06:14] one line: nvidia 9621144 0 [06:14] Azeotrope: what card and which driver version? [06:14] pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log [06:15] nvidia gForce 9500 gt, driver 190.53 [06:15] oobe: don't know how, i'm in tty mode [06:15] also try deleting or moving your existing xorg.conf and running nvidia-xconfig to generate a new one [06:16] Azeotrope, so try this as root mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.broken && nvidia-xconfig [06:16] oobe: did that. same error. [06:16] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [06:16] ls -l /dev/nvidiactl [06:17] oobe: but if i do xorgsetup it will enter graphic mode, with nv driver and no effects [06:17] yes that is cause it chooses the open source drivers [06:18] oobe: the file is there, belonging to root [06:18] are you using an obscure monitor [06:18] crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 195 this is what it should look like [06:18] note the rw rw rw [06:18] that is how it looks [06:18] try starting x as root [06:19] with the nvidia xorg.conf [06:19] tried that. same error [06:19] as a test only not a solution [06:19] Azeotrope: how did you install the driver? .run or SlackBuild? [06:20] pprkut: .run [06:20] ok [06:21] Azeotrope, you need to edit your xorg.conf to have valid screen modes for you monitor there is nothing wrong with your video card or drivers its the resolution or refresh rate set incorrectly in xorg.conf http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQErrorMessages#Message.3A.22Screen.28s.29found.2Cbutnonehaveausableconfiguration. [06:21] oobe: ok. let me check [06:22] oobe: can I just comment the Horizsync an VertRefresh lines? [06:22] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:23] antler (~antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: [06:24] MonWalker (~MoonWalke@ip-235-60-179-93.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [06:25] pprkut: can you please pastebin the filelist of nvidia-utils when you got a minute to spare? [06:25] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-147-234-246.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [06:26] sahk0: you mean nvidia-driver? [06:27] yes. i thought it was utils. not the kernel module [06:27] which version? the one on SBo? [06:27] driver has stuff in bin too right? [06:27] yes [06:27] darknight (~slacker@61.17.223.217) joined ##slackware. [06:27] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:27] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-129-181-75.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [06:27] yeah that one. any version. whatever ou got installed [06:28] I have multiple versions available ;) [06:28] ok latest then [06:29] that's the one on SBo: http://pastebin.ca/1846506 [06:30] Azeotrope, no you should modify the Horiz and Vert lines [06:30] do you know the model name of your monitor [06:30] if you do i can just look up the specs and give you the correct lines [06:31] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:31] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [06:32] sahk0: that's the one I have currently installed: http://pastebin.ca/1846507 [06:32] zux1wrk (~zux@212.93.97.139) joined ##slackware. [06:33] ok, thanks a lot. whats that in /etc/OpenCL in the latest one? [06:34] oh nevermind. i got it too [06:35] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.34) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:36] newslacker (kccopling@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware. [06:40] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.79.165) joined ##slackware. [06:40] oobe: tried to modify them with what i found on the interenet and i get the same error [06:40] what did you find on the net [06:41] Azeotrope: Do you have KMS enabled? [06:41] HS: 30-83, VR: 56-75 [06:41] is it possible that you could tell me what monitor you have [06:41] LG W2234S [06:41] and pastebin your xorg.conf [06:41] Mel-nix: KMS? [06:44] Azeotrope: It stands for Kernel Mode-Setting. If I am not mistaken, it is a feature wherein the display mode is changed during the startup process, rather than while starting X. [06:45] I don't know... [06:45] invalid in this case. nvidia, pre .33 kernel [06:46] ok. should i remove the nvidia drivers? [06:46] if yes, how? [06:47] Azeotrope, you just need to setup your xorg.conf correctly [06:47] for some reason nvidia-xconfig cant do it [06:48] Azeotrope: I used to get a similar error about "No screens found", when I updated my intel(4) driver. I just had to enable KMS to fix it. [06:48] try this modeline "Modeline "1680x1050@75" 210.42 1680 1712 2504 2536 1050 1070 1083 1103" [06:48] Azeotrope: $ /sbin/lsmod | grep kms [06:48] Mel-nix: he does neither want nor have kms [06:49] Mel-nix: nothing [06:49] oobe: how can I paste it...? [06:49] and where? in my nvidia-xconfig or xorgconfig generated xorg.conf? [06:50] open xorg.conf and paste in under Section "Monitor" [06:51] nvidia-xconfig generated on [06:51] i have to startx. otherwise i can't paste [06:51] Azeotrope: `less /var/log/Xorg.0.log' tells you a lot of things. Including the configuration file used. [06:51] and to startx i have to have a xorgconfig generated xoorg.conf [06:52] Mel-nix: It tells me exacty the errors i get when i try startx [06:52] darknight (~slacker@61.17.223.217) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:53] Azeotrope: In console mode, I am able to paste just by using right-click. [06:53] Axius (~fd@92.85.220.148) joined ##slackware. [06:53] (==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) [06:53] (**) Mar 20 10:42:32 NVIDIA(0): Enabling RENDER acceleration [06:53] (II) Mar 20 10:42:32 NVIDIA(0): Support for GLX with the Damage and Composite X extensions is [06:54] Channel flood from Azeotrope -- kicking [06:54] (II) Mar 20 10:42:32 NVIDIA(0): enabled. [06:54] Azeotrope kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [06:54] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [06:54] actually Azeotrope try using the config made by xorgconfig and only edit the driver [06:54] leave everything else the same [06:54] Azeotrope: Do not paste multiple lines like that. Use a `pastebin' service. [06:54] so change nv to nvidia [06:55] its not that simple [06:55] oobe: I tried that. won't work [06:55] did you try the modeline [06:55] Mel-nix: i know, i'm sorry but i can't acces pastebin in tty mode [06:55] lynx [06:55] or links [06:55] Azeotrope: Which browser have you used? [06:56] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.66.128) joined ##slackware. [06:56] or copy the monitor section from the xorgconfig to the nvidia-xconfig setup [06:56] Mel-nix: firefox? [06:56] oobe: yes, i tried that modeline [06:56] no success [06:58] Azeotrope: What? In console mode, use either of the browser suggested by trhodes. [06:58] i put it in the Monitor section [06:59] _matze (~matze@188-195-140-113-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [06:59] <_matze> re [07:01] e01_ (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [07:01] I put it on pastebin.org (my Xorg.0.log) [07:01] <_matze> still not working ? [07:01] <_matze> : [07:02] no... [07:02] Axius (~fd@92.85.220.148) left irc: Quit: Reconnecting [07:03] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-3-44.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [07:03] Axius (~fd@92.85.220.148) joined ##slackware. [07:03] azeotrope, do you have the kernel nvidia driver enabled? [07:03] <_matze> supports slackware 13 default kernel nfsroot ? oO [07:04] mrselfpwn: i think. i did modprobe nvidia [07:04] WARNING: Error inserting i2c_core (/lib/modules/2.6.29.6/kernel/drivers/i2c/i2c-core.ko): Invalid module format [07:04] modprobe nvidia -v [07:05] <_matze> custom kernel ? [07:05] Axius (~fd@92.85.220.148) left irc: Client Quit [07:05] Axius (~fd@92.85.220.148) joined ##slackware. [07:06] no. just 2.6.29.6 [07:06] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [07:06] Azeotrope: what doesn't uname -a spit out? [07:07] looks like it's trying to read from modules that dont' match the kernel [07:07] my system [07:07] 2.6.29.6 #2 [07:07] just a normal slack 13 install? [07:07] yes [07:07] hmm [07:07] <_matze> strange [07:08] you could cd /usr/src/linux and try doing a make modules && make modules_install [07:08] Azeotrope: didnt you build your own kernel? [07:08] worstbassplayer (~eddie@189.107.4.37) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [07:08] What is the function of the `i2c-core' kernel module? [07:09] only time I see that error is when the modules weren't built on the kernel I was usign [07:09] MonWalker (~MoonWalke@ip-235-60-179-93.dialup.ice.net) left irc: [07:09] <_matze> i2c bus support [07:09] by the way, i installed the huge kernel from slack dvd. [07:09] just kernel. no modules, no firmare files [07:09] Azeotrope: How come you are not using a `SMP' kernel? [07:09] lol [07:10] heheh [07:10] a lost cause [07:10] alienBOB told me to install that [07:10] <_matze> Azeotrope: what cpu ? :) [07:10] dualcore 2.6 [07:11] <_matze> so you only using one cpu right now [07:11] cool [07:11] can i use none? [07:11] Azeotrope: i would do what I suggested. it should fix your trouble [07:11] <_matze> huge supports only one core if i remember right [07:11] ok [07:12] but shouldn't i use another kernel? [07:12] use the one you plan to use [07:12] i mean, i have txz files for 2.6.33 and 2.6.29.6 [07:12] ^^ [07:13] you plan to use .29 ? [07:13] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:13] and why do you have two different systems? [07:13] let me guess you are running current though reverted to older kernel? [07:14] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [07:14] mrselfpwn: no. i played yesterday with some kernels [07:14] i only have 2.6.29.6 installed [07:14] okay [07:14] the huge one [07:14] ls -l /usr/src/ [07:14] i want SMP, wichever is best. 2.6.33 or 2.6.29.6 [07:15] make sure linux is symlinked to 2.6.29.6 [07:15] xsamurai (~munki@pool-74-111-197-27.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:15] cd /usr/src/linux [07:15] make -j3 modules [07:15] make modules_install [07:15] mrselfpwn: is simlinked [07:15] the j3 just tells it to use 3 processes [07:15] general rule is number of cores +1 [07:16] nice. but won't this make modules for huge? [07:16] <_matze> depends on kernel config in your source directory [07:16] ls -l /boot [07:16] see what vmlinuz is symlinked to [07:17] jrodger (~jrodger@220-244-204-235.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [07:18] to huge [07:18] not huge-smp ? [07:18] no. just huge [07:19] i also see some -generic [07:19] , config%, system.map%, vmlinuz% [07:19] well basically all you have to do is cp /boot/config-huge-smp-2.6.29.6-smp /usr/src/linux/.config [07:20] <_matze> why not just install smp modules & smp kernel from packages oO [07:20] or do that [07:20] hehehe [07:20] teach a fish to swim.. [07:20] if i'd knew how.. i'd do it.. [07:20] i mean teach a man to fish XD [07:21] :)) [07:21] <_matze> just fetch then from a series of your slackware dvd and do a installpkg :) [07:21] ok, so i mount slackware dvd and reinstall 2.6.29.6-generic? [07:21] no [07:21] <_matze> 2.6.29.6-smp and modules [07:21] huge-smp [07:22] and huge modules [07:22] huge. ok. [07:22] i guess firmware also, not sure though [07:22] do i have to remove theese first? [07:23] <_matze> kernel-modules-smp-2.6.29.6_smp-i686-2.txt [07:23] <_matze> s/txt/txz [07:23] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:23] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [07:23] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [07:23] <_matze> huge and huge-smp can co exist [07:24] i have this kernel-huge-2.6.29.6-x86_64-2.txz [07:24] <_matze> k [07:24] ho smp [07:25] thats x86_64 [07:25] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [07:25] <_matze> kernel-huge-smp-2.6.29.6-x86_64-2.txz then :) [07:25] theres no smp tag in x86_64 [07:25] don't swear me: uname a 2.6.29.6 #2 SMP [07:25] <_matze> not ? oO [07:26] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:26] <_matze> not tried x64 version of slackware yet [07:27] my problem remains nvidia [07:27] <_matze> are there 64 and 32bit versions of the nvidia driver ? [07:28] <_matze> or is it one package combined oO [07:28] combined [07:29] what do i do? [07:29] <_matze> modprobe i2c-core works ? [07:29] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [07:30] FATAL: Module i2c_core not found. [07:30] also for nvidia [07:30] <_matze> k. reinstall modules for your kernel :) [07:30] how? [07:30] <_matze> tried you i2c_core or i2c-core on modprobe ? oO [07:31] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net expired. [07:31] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [07:31] Axius (~fd@92.85.220.148) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [07:31] <_matze> just a moment.. i look on ftp for x64 [07:32] i2c_core [07:32] i have the slack dvd [07:32] <_matze> the module is named i2c-core here [07:33] <_matze> argh sorry :) [07:33] same [07:33] <_matze> ok :) [07:33] so, installpkg kerne-modules...txz from slackware/a ? [07:34] <_matze> yes think this should help [07:34] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [07:34] <_matze> and run depmod after this [07:35] now i get FATAL: Error inserting i2c_core (/lib/modules/2.6.29.6/kernel/drivers/i2c/i2c-core.ko): Invalid module format [07:35] <_matze> mismatch oO [07:36] <_matze> i would try build the kernel myself with default config [07:36] fuck.. [07:36] <_matze> in boot should a config-generic-smp or something similar (don`t know what it is on x64 ) [07:37] Azeotrope: do like i said and make the modules [07:37] mrselfpwn: i did it [07:37] you did make modules && make modules_install ? [07:37] <_matze> build both kernel and modules, so you sure they match [07:37] <_matze> :) [07:37] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.254.219.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:38] you know what, just rtfm it's all in the slackbook [07:38] ... [07:38] no point of me repeating the entire kernel section of the slackbook [07:39] allend (~allend@CPE-124-180-124-170.lns10.lon.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [07:39] <_matze> it isn that hard to build a kernel :) [07:39] might as well update to the latest kernel while you're at it .:) [07:39] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@200.159.32.100) joined ##slackware. [07:40] <_matze> hehe i did a kernel compile for about 12 hours on 300Mhz Celeron ... [07:40] just use the huge-smp as a basis config file [07:40] <_matze> that sucks :) [07:40] yeah that does [07:40] should have used the j option [07:40] <_matze> but you sit on the front of a multicore so you have about 15-30minutes aproximal ? :) [07:40] j2 at least [07:42] <_matze> i sit in the front of a 4 node p2/celeron cluster lol :) time to upgrade some day [07:42] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427609.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:42] lol, it's over rated [07:42] Nick change: stybla_ -> stybla [07:42] okay, no it's not [07:43] but, i still use console most of the time [07:43] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-142-253.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [07:43] <_matze> even a athlon xp 1ghz should outperfom it, i think [07:43] on my netbook [07:43] mrselfpwn: pastebin.org, latest. shows the installed modules [07:43] k [07:43] what do you want me to do ? [07:44] see if it's ok. i can't see any nvidia [07:44] jrodger (~jrodger@220-244-204-235.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:45] <_matze> but you sit on the front of a multicore so you have about 15-30minutes aproximal ? :) << more than 12mn for me is too long :D [07:45] <_matze> lol i compile with mosix cluster oO and still need 2-3 hours :) [07:45] did you do make modules_install ? [07:45] <_matze> my fastest machine is a 1,6ghz sempron 64 ;) [07:45] mrselfpwn: yes [07:46] and what kernel are you using now? [07:46] 2.6.29.6 huge smp [07:46] well, where did you get the config file? [07:46] where is the nouveau drivers in the 2.6.33 [07:46] ?? [07:47] i edited it yesterday. for those wireless modules. i needed a modular kernel [07:47] <_matze> is it in the maintree ? [07:47] couldn't find it when i compiled it [07:47] did you cp /boot/config-huge-smp-2.6.29.6-smp /usr/src/linux/.config ? [07:47] umm, no [07:47] Azeotrope: you need the corresponding huge config file [07:47] mrselfpwn: roger [07:47] <_matze> its located @ /boot Azeotrope [07:48] <_matze> too much coffee lol i`m going crazy [07:48] i see it. what config file have i used? [07:48] you used the generic one [07:48] most likely [07:48] can that be disastrous? [07:49] <_matze> no, just modules mismatch running kernel [07:49] and is huge better than generic? is it slower? [07:49] just more support for more obscure hardware [07:50] bah use the generic .config and make menuconfig to tweak it for your needs [07:50] you can try it and if something doesn't work switch to huge [07:51] mrselfpwn: for now i just want my desktop as it was. then i'm gonna play with kernels [07:51] it's fun [07:51] all have to match [07:52] i really suggest looking at the kernel section in the slackbook as there are small tidbits you should know [07:53] well big tidbits when your computer won't boot, heh [07:53] and i may suggests that you save your .config for latter uses when you're ok with the config ;) [07:53] godmode (~godmode@cpe-72-129-79-118.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:53] <_matze> /proc/config.gz should contain current kernel config [07:53] and remember that make mrproper deletes the .config file [07:54] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-93-147.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:54] zcat /proc/config.gz > .config or whatever [07:54] ok [07:54] <_matze> then build modules and you can be sure it matches your running kernel [07:55] the problem is if you install a system from scratch it's better having your .config stored somewhere [07:55] the router's kernels that nmap shows "linux kernel" are just stripped kernels? [07:55] Hello, I am trying to upgrade my slackware 12. to 13, I have downloaded iso image of slackware 13 and mounted under /mnt/tmp/ but i can't find a way to upgrade the packages [07:55] make sure you have the .config in the directory as a bases from either generic or huge [07:55] with only the necessary functions? [07:56] i have tried pkgtool, upgradepkg and still no luck. can i use an application like slackpkg [07:56] godmode: upgradepkg */*.t?z [07:56] that should do the trick [07:56] i guess [07:56] it makes it a lot easier to configure because some options early on in the list only become available after later options have been selected and can make fore a headache if you are not used to configuration options in the kernel [07:57] thanks TUSK [07:57] godmode: make sure you are reading UPGRADE.txt too. ;) [07:57] <_matze> the 2.6 configuration menu is a bit too confusing :) [07:58] slackware 12 to 13 is not suggested. 12.2 to 13 is okay though. [07:58] <_matze> too much stuff in there [07:58] mrselfpwn: i copied that .config file from huge, but i also have installed the kernel-modules from that slack dvd [07:58] dangazda (1000@r11lt208.net.upc.cz) joined ##slackware. [07:58] mrselfpwn: how does the compiler knows i use the huge sources? [07:58] it doesn't matter because when you run make modules_install it overwrites them [07:59] ok [07:59] that is always done last [07:59] <_matze> and you need rebuilt nvidia drivers too [07:59] simplist just to get the config in there and run make modules && make modules_install [07:59] mrselfpwn, so you recommend an upgrade from 12.0 to 12.2 and then upgrade from 12.2 to 13? [08:00] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:00] <_matze> is upgradepkg aware of existing config files ? [08:00] <_matze> or does it just overwrite them ? [08:00] so, only the .config file dictates if the kernel is generic or huge? [08:00] actually, a reinstall is recommend for that leap godmode, because the upgrade is pretty complex as the kernel is moved from 2.4 to 2.6 [08:00] Azeotrope: yea [08:01] udev shit and all [08:01] miam [08:01] dangazda (1000@r11lt208.net.upc.cz) left ##slackware. [08:01] _matze: you mean i have to reinstall nvidia drivers? [08:01] yes [08:01] <_matze> yes [08:02] <_matze> after building your modules, and installing them [08:02] Tusk: and if i'll use multiple kernels, i'll have to do it for all [08:02] yes [08:02] godmode: take a look at slackware 12.1's UPGRADE.txt [08:03] the nvidia installer is overwriting itself each time... [08:03] ubuntu never did that [08:03] had the drivers, updated it, new kernel and used it by the pleasure of your heart [08:04] you don' build your kernel on ubuntu [08:04] mrselfpwn, i came accross an oldlaptop thinkpad 390x, i had slackware 12.0 on hand at the moment and decided to install 12.0 with only a ap d e l n packages.. now would it still be complex to do a leap upgrade like this or you recommend reinstall [08:04] <_matze> ubuntu and slackware are like apel and pear [08:04] so nothing comparable [08:04] <_matze> s/apel/apple [08:04] Azeotrope: and if ubuntu is that much a pleasure of _your_ heart stick with it ^^ [08:05] Tusk: was. cause it's ergonomical. but you don't learn much using it [08:05] godmode: i'm not the best person to ask as I didn't start with slack until the 2.6 kernel upgrade, i'm only going by what i've heard. :) [08:06] hovercat (1000@r11lt208.net.upc.cz) joined ##slackware. [08:06] Azeotrope: for it's the opposite... it's way too anti ergonomical.... i guess it's a matter of tastes ;) [08:06] <_matze> i think i would reinstall @ godmode [08:06] thanks anyways... i can't believe i have been with slackware since 7.1 and i can't upgrade a simple task like this lol [08:06] heh [08:07] <_matze> you can upgrade but you will get some fun :) [08:07] you have to love linux.. always a learning experience man.. [08:07] <_matze> its faster to reinstall then upgrade [08:07] i wish I had been with it longer though, just never did because the 2.4 kernel gave me the wrong impression about the OS [08:07] mrselfpwn: how's that? [08:07] I finally got tired of gentoo [08:07] <_matze> linux kernel has become a big ugly thing xD [08:07] goarilla (~goarilla@66.37-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:07] <_matze> too much is stuffed into it [08:08] <_matze> hope they change it some day [08:08] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [08:08] let's make our own os [08:08] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@200.159.32.100) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [08:08] Azeotrope: because I always though that because it wasn't keeping up with the kernel it was an outdated OS [08:08] thought* [08:08] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [08:08] goarilla (~goarilla@246.91-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [08:08] v4nelle (~van@79.103.157.50.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:08] mrselfpwn: i wish i can get my hands on a fast laptop.. i would love to run gentoo. you learn so much just by installing it [08:09] yes. [08:09] can i learn the same amount if i use virtualboxes? [08:09] <_matze> i remember my first time with slackware 3.5 on a 486DX2 :) [08:09] nice [08:09] wow nice.. 3.5 [08:10] the only thing gentoo teaches is how to wait...for a long time [08:10] back when I was using windows nt 3.5 lol [08:10] <_matze> the 2.0 kernel was fast and slim :) [08:10] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [08:10] pprkut: its a powerful linux distro you just need a powerful laptop.. too much $$$ [08:10] isn't it better cause is custom compiled? [08:11] well.. it has it's strong points [08:11] <_matze> nothing was working :) i needed days to get my soundcard running.. [08:11] what's the best? [08:12] _matze you had to love the oldschool kernel.. slim but not alot of support. slim though. i remember redhat 6 and how slim the kernel was compare now a days [08:12] Azeotrope: though you _will_ spend a LOT of time compiling [08:12] Azeotrope: slackware is the best :) [08:12] Razec (1000@187-27-222-94.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:12] <_matze> i still have the old system here :) but you can forget about running 2.6 kernel on it [08:12] <_matze> way too slow [08:13] <_matze> i think they should split kernel into a desktop and a server version [08:13] <_matze> who needs infiband @ home :) [08:13] yeah really [08:13] <_matze> or fibrechannel [08:13] well, some actually [08:14] though if you can compile your own options in the kernel we have I guess it doesn't matter [08:14] mrselfpwn: latest pastebin. errors making modules [08:15] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [08:15] <_matze> mrselfpwn: yes but make a menu selection to chose for desktop or server would nice so you see only necessary options for desktop in kernel config [08:16] that's true [08:16] Azeotrope: you need to start from make mrproper because the source is so borked now from all your makes on it i'm sure [08:16] please look at slackbook kernel section [08:17] ok. did make mrproper [08:17] i love this... its running so smooth for 196 ram... no x but awesome speed.. i love you slackware.. [08:17] did you look at the slackbook? [08:17] <_matze> godmode: i run too many low end machines :) [08:18] _matze, afraid to run a kernel compile on low end machines? [08:18] idk, the good thing about the 2.6 kernel line are the security fixes I suppose [08:18] <_matze> now i run it on 4 lowend machines running mosix ;) [08:18] awesome!! [08:18] _matze, distcc 8-) [08:19] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:19] i believe i am a hoader when it comes to old laptop and pcs [08:19] <_matze> but with mosix i dont need worry about it :) [08:19] <_matze> auto loadbalancing :) [08:19] how many low machines are you working with matze [08:19] Action: Delahunt doesn't mind old or new machines [08:20] <_matze> i have 7 [08:20] _matze: do you know anything about Windows? [08:20] Action: Delahunt cares more about well supported machines (whether old or new) [08:20] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) left irc: Quit: Support freenode - http://bit.ly/3NtvfD [08:20] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.79.165) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet? [08:20] <_matze> windows ? ehm i open it some time to get fresh air [08:21] <_matze> i use XP too .. in a VirtualBox ;) [08:21] hehe, i see [08:21] linus72 (0@pool-72-73-35-228.clppva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:21] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [08:21] linus72 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using IRC as root is dangerous. Please reference "Using IRC as root" via google for further information. [08:21] same here if I need it [08:21] <_matze> only to run google sketchup lol [08:22] no, i was just wondering if you ever took the time to learn about the registry and things of that sort [08:22] <_matze> i can use it too but i dont like it :) [08:22] <_matze> Windows Server is ugly [08:23] windows shell scripting sux [08:23] i hate working on the cmd prompt now [08:23] the only windows shell script i like is the forkbomb one 8-) [08:23] <_matze> i want give microsoft powershell a try .. [08:24] _matze: I have used it for simple stuff [08:24] Delahunt: what is that? heh [08:24] _matze: it supporst ls command [08:24] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:24] google fork bomb [08:24] i think windows+database is unbeatable connections.. especially with the boom of sql database management software [08:25] but linux has sql and database software so really it's more like "everyone is using ___ so i must use ___ to work with them" problem [08:25] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:26] <_matze> most of my computers are rescued from trash ;) [08:27] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) joined ##slackware. [08:27] yeah dela.. but there must be a reason for people to use sql+windows more often.. not because everyone is using it to i am going too complex [08:28] PenPerkInc (~carlj@72-61-1-147.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [08:28] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:28] _matze, i hear that [08:28] _matze, they make good routers (smoothwall or slackware) [08:28] <_matze> router ? lol [08:29] <_matze> waste of processing power %) [08:29] depends on your connection 8-) [08:29] <_matze> currently i`m on cable but @ home i have 3g :/ [08:29] Action: Delahunt regularly gets 2mbps from kernel.org [08:30] <_matze> o2 online and umts sucks [08:30] <_matze> they use NAT.. [08:30] PenPerk1 (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:31] <_matze> i share on IP with at least 250 ppl [08:31] <_matze> on/one [08:31] <_matze> so i use much ipv6 ;) [08:32] it was nice to chat with everyone.. time to upgrade this baby.. later everyone [08:32] <_matze> ciao [08:32] godmode (godmode@cpe-72-129-79-118.socal.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [08:32] <_matze> need todo some work too [08:32] i will not hear of work on a saturday morning [08:32] blasphemer [08:32] hey i did a 12 hour shift today, 13 actually [08:32] fixing an aircraft [08:33] so i don't want to hear it 8-) [08:33] what kind of plane? [08:33] F-16 Block 50 [08:33] <_matze> just go to the kitchen and cook something [08:33] <_matze> :) [08:33] <_matze> thats what i`m doing in next 15 minutes if i can get my ass up [08:33] thats not a job, thats a privilege [08:33] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:34] that's a job, trust me [08:34] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [08:34] if you think it's a privilege, come work with me one day, you'll change your mind 8-) [08:35] changing a latrine on an airbus 300 from an overseas trip is work [08:35] <_matze> its not a privilege if you do it every day, 10-12 hours ;) [08:35] dude, if they let me near an f-16 i'd take it [08:35] <_matze> Skywise: even it has no bombs ? [08:35] all i need is speed [08:35] <_matze> *sniff* [08:36] <_matze> lol [08:36] <_matze> just got coffee [08:36] <_matze> hope my spelling isnt that wrong ;) [08:37] but its hard to choose between an f-15 and f-16 [08:37] i know in a dog fight the f-15 wins, but the f-16 just looks so cool [08:37] <_matze> what about a MIG ? [08:37] junk [08:37] Nick change: mfreenet -> mikee [08:37] they're flying hammers [08:38] <_matze> had not the f16 some problems with wirings ? [08:38] <_matze> if i remember right [08:38] any old aircraft does [08:38] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@200.159.32.100) joined ##slackware. [08:38] Skywise, not really [08:39] are you talking about that aircraft wiring insulation that was a problem? [08:39] aircraft that regularly pull 9 G's put strain on the wiring and parts [08:39] old aircraft have lots of time which makes them older (like cars) [08:40] the f-15 is pure air superiority dog fighter where as the f-16 is multirole air and ground attack [08:40] as for which wins, i asked a pilot once, he said it's a toss-up [08:41] like the f-22 vs f-35 [08:41] the pilot makes the biggest difference [08:41] now THAT would be an interesting dogfight [08:41] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:41] but the f-15 has better radar [08:41] the F-16 is designed to take more load off of the pilot so it's easier to fly [08:41] <_matze> i`m not sure :) i just read a article but this is years ago releated to crashes caused by flub [08:41] thats true [08:41] flub? [08:42] <_matze> s/flub/botch [08:42] <_matze> in germany we say pfusch [08:43] um so ... caused by mistakes? pilot mistakes? [08:43] <_matze> no, by constructers [08:43] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [08:43] raela (~raela@c-76-100-139-184.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:43] by ... maintenance personnel? [08:44] <_matze> i`m not sure is long ago :) [08:44] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [08:45] <_matze> random crashing US flightmachine oO [08:45] its kapton that i was thinking about [08:45] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Client Quit [08:45] i think thats been pulled from all combat aircraft but can still be found in cargo planes [08:46] kapton? [08:46] <_matze> it was F16 ;) [08:46] yeah, its an aircraft wiring insulator thats really light, but it tends to get brittle and flake off [08:47] oh yeah now i remember, we don't use that [08:47] most our wiring is teflon-coated [08:48] yeah, kapton is 1/3 lighter then teflon [08:48] <_matze> are not all cables double in such machines ? [08:48] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:49] depends [08:49] flight control wiring is quadruple redundant [08:49] (fly by wire) [08:49] but the other issue is that when it burns, it leaves a conductive carbon residue that tends to ignite the wiring bundle like a fuse [08:49] MouthBreather (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-djpxeauofyvlbnyf) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:50] <_matze> so i go to kitchen now :) need some food [08:50] <_matze> brb [08:50] <_matze> *mjam* handmade tortellini [08:50] PenPerkInc (~carlj@72-61-1-147.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:50] i had cereal for breakfast [08:50] PenPerkInc (~carlj@72-61-1-147.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [08:51] <_matze> need kitchen pc lol [08:52] Nick change: _matze -> _matze|away [08:52] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [08:52] _matze|away kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [08:52] ouch [08:52] hehe [08:52] _matze (~matze@188-195-140-113-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [08:52] _matze (~matze@188-195-140-113-dynip.superkabel.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:52] just had a wonderful epiphany; with the wifi card i got yesterday, and after installing linux to the deinstalled lappy-hd, i could watch tv on the lappy from the bed in other room [08:52] grissiom (~grissiom@221.221.26.104) joined ##slackware. [08:52] yay me! [08:53] i'm currently watching _Hogan's Heroes_ on youtube [08:53] matze (~matze@188-195-140-113-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [08:53] k. i read channel rules ... [08:53] brb [08:53] just no away messages [08:54] it gets annoying on a crowded channel if everyone starts doing that [08:54] PenPerkInc (~carlj@72-61-1-147.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:54] PenPerkInc (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:59] paissad_ (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:59] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:00] happy_slacker (~toor@189.107.4.37) joined ##slackware. [09:01] !fuse Lutetium [09:01] ops sorry [09:01] lol ^^" [09:02] http://www.catswhothrowupgrass.com/kill.php [09:05] just links -g :O [09:07] lol := [09:08] my cat hates screaming scsi discs :) [09:09] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:12] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:13] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [09:13] paznak_ (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:14] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:16] hehe [09:16] jeev: ! [09:17] i got a old scsi raid array with i think 12 9gb disks, if i turn it on cat starts to run :D [09:19] someday i will put it on ebay.. [09:19] jeev jeev jeev ! [09:20] actually, anybody with a WD (500GB) caviar black disk will do: are these disks noisy? [09:20] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [09:21] Clio (~Clio@nat-84-16-60-38.extel.sk) joined ##slackware. [09:27] Camarade_Tux, the caviar black are for performance i think [09:30] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:32] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:38] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:40] anyone here using linux on sparc ? [09:41] happy_sl1cker (~toor@189.107.100.128) joined ##slackware. [09:42] going for a pair of caviar black I think [09:42] matze: just ask your question [09:43] (and splack) [09:44] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [09:44] happy_slacker (~toor@189.107.4.37) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [09:45] performs linux on sparc well ? think about running it on my Blade 100 [09:45] (to gain opengl accelration w/radeon) [09:47] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [09:48] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:49] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [09:49] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [09:50] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-142-253.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:52] hmm, thanks for reminding me. time to surplus those antique sparc boxes [09:53] antique and running forever :) [09:54] matze: bo sparc here, but i do have it running on an alpha :) [09:55] got only sparc, mips, arm and x86 ;) [09:55] i got a few sunblade 100's and 1000's sitting and collecting dust. time to chuck them [09:55] make a Sun Grid out of them :) [09:55] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-142-253.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:55] i can use sge on decent hardware. no need for the antique junk [09:55] ananke: what do you plan to do with them? [09:55] junk ? [09:55] :O [09:56] Camarade_Tux: since they're state property, they go to state surplus. which means i put them out on a loading dock, and somebody picks them up [09:56] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-079.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:56] moks107 (~shim@217.17.249.56) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [09:56] matze: we consider them junk [09:56] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-079.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:57] gcc compile farm: "We're looking for more powerful machines, especially for mips, arm, powerpc64 and sparc64, if you know of potential vendors or donators please contact laurent at guerby dot net." [09:57] thats like a stab in my heart [09:58] wmaikon (~Administr@189.72.119.148) joined ##slackware. [09:58] matze: that's reality. those IDE based boxes are old. very old. just because they still can run some things, doesn't mean that relatively to today's computers they aren't junk [09:58] grazymax (~grazymax@host241-153-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:58] yeah and they consume a lot of power [09:59] who cares about power, i support atom energie [09:59] :D [09:59] i got a sunfire15k with 72procs and 288GB of ram. i'm trying to get rid of it too. [09:59] ananke: can't you use them for something like, distributed computing ? [09:59] :O [09:59] me me me! [09:59] :D [09:59] i think, there where much ppl that can take advantage of this old hardware [09:59] goarilla: bingo. with the same amount of energy i can get much more computing power these days [09:59] ananke: got any old alphas? :) [10:00] ang: do you have true64 ? ;) [10:00] ananke: for such a machine, I'd nearly pay shipping to france [10:00] ang: nope. but we have a power4 cluster, want that? :) [10:00] ananke: where does those "junk" usually ends ? [10:00] junkyard [10:00] Camarade_Tux: and that's a shame, but i can't donate it. it has to go to surplus [10:00] landfill [10:00] ananke: hehe, no thanks :) [10:00] africa lol [10:00] not recycle it or something ? [10:00] anavel: surplus. big warehouse, where it sits for a couple months and then goes onto a state auction [10:01] matze: no...not gonna pay for a license...HP ended the hobbiest program they had [10:01] ah i c. Wonders who wants to bought that. [10:01] as to distributed computing? why bother? i can get a single workstation that's much faster than a collection of those boxes [10:01] ever seen a MicroVax booting from Tape :) thats a feeling :O [10:01] ananke: what are you doing? [10:01] Camarade_Tux: what do you mean? [10:01] your job [10:01] ananke: also, maybe you could host it and have it take part in the gcc build farm or something else ? [10:02] ang: :( not that good :/ [10:02] ananke: what's your job? who are you working for? [10:02] i'm a head sysadmin at a research institute, housed by a large state university [10:02] i'm guessing a public university [10:02] :D [10:02] ananke: ok [10:02] well, now, I have to go, I'm already late [10:02] morning all o/ =) [10:02] Nick change: phrag_ -> phrag [10:03] moin [10:03] good morning [10:03] Camarade_Tux: as fun as it would be, we simply don't have the spare man power cycles to deal with it [10:03] phrag (~phrag@79-64-186-227.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Changing host [10:03] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [10:03] phrag (phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [10:03] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [10:03] that's a rule of thumb in uversity stuff [10:03] hell, i have a 100 node intel cluster sitting for the past year, doing nothing, it's turned off. each node is a dual p3 1ghz [10:03] ananke: =/ [10:03] well, really gone now [10:04] p3 was a decent arch [10:04] :> i want that thing lol still have only 4 nodes [10:04] technology just moves very fast, stuff that's older than 5-7 years is not worth using these days [10:04] core 2 duo is p3 based not p4 ;) [10:04] i know [10:04] we pay crazy ammounts of money for desktop pc's [10:05] and it's ticking me off [10:05] Immundus (~obi@g225060012.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:05] since we still have people using win2000 on pIII [10:05] hell, i just inherited a cluster of 45 nodes, dell pe2650's and pe2850's. i was hoping we could surplus it too. for $50k i can have something that's twice as fast, in the size of a half a rack [10:05] who the hell needs a Core Quad to run Word ... [10:05] mis investment [10:06] ppl with lots of money "needs" it :P [10:06] most of the money that comes in with us is also from research projects so yes they often need the cycles [10:06] for ansys, mathlab, abaqus [10:06] 350 EUR for my Phenom II X4 955 + almost silent heatsink + 4GB ram (needz more!) + 500GB drive + mobo + 80+ 450W PSU [10:06] 4gb ram and no ecc ? [10:06] :) [10:06] the workstations we buy these days, for both administrative and research purposes, are 4GB ram core2duos. i think now we're doing quad core [10:06] we do i7 [10:07] matze: ='( [10:07] c2q before [10:07] be back in .... later [10:07] but we pay like 230 euros for 19 inch screens [10:07] i got only 1gb ram oO [10:07] but its still enough for all my needs as long i use linux :) [10:07] goarilla: ouch. that's expensive. we pay that much for 23" wide screens [10:08] or even less. i think our standard workstation is typically around $1200 or less [10:08] we pay 1600 euro for workstations that can be self assembled for 800 [10:08] workstation for researchers ? [10:08] in 100 years this world is full of junk oO [10:09] yes the technical and administrative personal rarely gets new stuff and relies on handouts [10:09] self assembled makes sense on a very small scale, or very large scale. anything in between is insane [10:09] true [10:09] but but somewhere else it would be 1000 or so for the machine [10:10] and a 22 inch screen instead of a 19 4:3 AS screen [10:10] we buy from dell, with 5 year hardware/nbd warranty. man power required to assemble/maintain self built workstations is more expensive than the few extra dollars in the original purchase [10:10] most of our university also buys from delll, but my former boss setted it up to buy from the other company [10:10] same as reviving/maintaining those ancient sunblades/etc. it would cost more in terms of sysadmin time than they're worth it [10:10] i think he has stock invested in them [10:11] goarilla: ouch. here they'd have to go to bid, if a given company is not on a state contract [10:11] and i think we get roughly 35% off any dell equipment, right off the bat [10:12] they are white boxes tho which makes it a little bit easier to replace something yourself [10:12] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:12] whiteboxes suck :) [10:12] small form factor pc's from A brands are usually a bitch to repair [10:12] :D [10:12] repair? who repairs their workstations in a business environment these days? [10:13] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [10:13] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [10:13] we do [10:13] send it back and get replacement hmm [10:13] would be bad for the bosses stocks [10:13] hell, our workstation/helpdesk crew settles on replacing drives [which in dell machines are a snap to do], and diagnosing simple hardware problems. anything beyond that, a simple on-line chat with dell and new parts/technicians are sent [10:13] i even repair mainboards myself :o [10:14] if its possible [10:14] bad caps ? [10:14] mostly [10:14] and no, you don't send stuff back before it's repaired. rma stuff costs too much time. you get replacement parts before you have to ship back the old ones [10:14] or mosfet [10:15] true otherwise it's a month or so fiddling with your fingers and taking flac from its owner [10:15] the higher up in the rank its owner the more impatient they are [10:16] allend (~allend@CPE-124-180-124-170.lns10.lon.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:16] yeah, cause they almost won minesweeper [10:16] yep. for those you get 4h warranty service [10:16] you know what i say thursday a machine infested with virri and one of it was a captcha cracker [10:16] i learn currently cook and have not that much money so its the way to go :) [10:16] i've never seen that i thought it was only theoretical [10:17] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:18] my soldering experience isn't big enough to do that matze and the mobo's with the most problems tend to be the early P4's with the bad caps and i rather see those go [10:18] p2/p3 and k7/k8 mostly [10:18] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@200.159.32.100) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:18] we have like 40 stations with RIMDRAMM [10:19] max out to 256 MB which are pretty much useless today [10:19] not every repair ends in a success, solder new caps and pray oO [10:19] maxed* [10:20] p2/p3 i can see that those motherboards seem a lot less complex than today's behemoths [10:20] even they can use more, rdram isnt that easy to get [10:20] yeah indeed and very $$ if you do find it [10:20] i repair old computers and give them away to friends and other ppl giving then a good home :) [10:21] yeah but some stuff is not worth giving [10:21] at least 500Mhz, 384Mb Ram [10:21] still suitable for webbrowsing, email and learning purposes [10:21] web browsing ... html only then [10:21] flash works well [10:21] and maybe an older browser [10:21] but no HD [10:22] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!0@* expired. [10:22] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:22] flash works on those machines ? [10:22] yes [10:22] small screen ? [10:22] as long they have SSE [10:22] since driving a 23 inch on my celeron 600 is hell [10:22] 14,15",17" [10:22] and flash stutters like crazy [10:22] CRTs ;) [10:23] which OS ? [10:23] i use ubuntu for them [10:23] because its fast & easy to setup [10:23] and flash works ? [10:23] yes really [10:23] grissiom (~grissiom@221.221.26.104) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:23] you must be some kind of wizzard [10:23] i use a Dual P3 800Mhz as main workstation [10:24] flash is working here too [10:24] using radeon 9250 [10:24] the p3s i gave away had at least a rage128 so dri is avaible [10:24] matze: you must be a patient man :) [10:24] odd [10:25] without dri it doesnt work well [10:26] flash and js kill the browser experience on my old box for me [10:27] (ubuntu 8.10) .. don`t think 9/10 work that well [10:27] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [10:27] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.66.128) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:27] on XP performance is slightly better, but its not free and i dont want support dozens of windows boxes [10:27] yeah and it's windows so [10:27] linux run and run and run .. [10:28] :) [10:28] after a month or 2 they'll come back [10:28] asking you to make it faster eg clean up their mess [10:28] yes, because they consumed too much porn and god viral infects [10:28] s/god/got [10:28] Razec (1000@187-27-222-94.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:29] Axius (~fd@109.97.63.172) joined ##slackware. [10:30] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [10:30] currently i need all parts for my trash cluster :) [10:30] Action: surrounder pets his windows 7 install [10:31] some day i will get a quadcore and give this old machines away [10:31] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@200.159.32.100) joined ##slackware. [10:32] my p3 smp is still faster then a dualcore atom so its still very useable [10:32] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.66.128) joined ##slackware. [10:32] I like atoms :) my machines at home are all atoms [10:33] with ion? [10:33] booksize PC :) [10:33] no, no need for ION [10:33] just onboard intel, good enough for me [10:33] does the intel chipset fullhd playback ? [10:33] (GMA) [10:33] i hate intels restrictions on it tho [10:34] no idea matze [10:34] 720p should be doable I think [10:34] max x ram [10:34] max 1 eth jack [10:34] thinking about getting one for 50 euro, because of power usage :) [10:34] onboard + PCI NIC is an option [10:34] true [10:34] dual p3 draws 140 watts [10:34] matze: yeah I bought one about a year ago and it's been running great (even with broken fan, too lazy to replace it) [10:35] but than its either a low profile eth card [10:35] or not booksized anymore [10:35] matze: I might get a dual p3 actually :) will be a great dedicated machine for Haiku :) [10:35] Haiku is OpenBeOS ? [10:35] yes [10:35] really usable already [10:35] known old BeOS :) [10:35] BeOS was great [10:36] yeah but not that full fledged by todays standards [10:36] yes running multiple Video Streams on Pentium MMX [10:36] used it on a p233 to watch fullscreen divx [10:36] :O [10:36] matze: indeed [10:36] goarilla: they have a working native webkit browser [10:36] and qt is ported [10:36] wasn't it [10:36] an ff 2.x port [10:36] before [10:36] yeah [10:36] bezilla [10:37] used BeOS with 3dfx Voodoo card years ago [10:37] all in all a great system already, considering it's still alpha [10:37] someday i will give it a try [10:37] i loved how even haiku came with a full dev environment posix style [10:38] but for now i stick with linux.. its a shame that mosix is not avaible for bsd.. [10:39] haiku is single user ? like beos ? [10:39] yes [10:39] do you know QNX ? :) its nice too [10:39] but commercial.. [10:39] hehe yeah, tried their floppy years ago :D [10:40] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:40] john_dee (~id@95-29-187-134.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:40] amazing that they put qnx4 on a 1,44mb disc :) [10:40] with full gui [10:40] and a browser [10:41] yeah well their bread and butter is the embedded world just like vxworks [10:41] don`t know vxworks :) [10:41] Action: surrounder neither [10:41] me neither i know it's just in the same league [10:41] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [10:42] i got a copy of real/32 - 32bit Dos with linux like ttys [10:42] nice too ;) [10:42] quote from wikipedia [10:42] The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter uses VxWorks [10:42] hah [10:43] Axius (~fd@109.97.63.172) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:43] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:43] Axius (~fd@109.97.63.172) joined ##slackware. [10:44] NASA uses netbsd too :) http://www.netbsd.org/gallery/research.html#sams-ii [10:45] netbsd is nice for small old machines [10:45] netbsd is nice in general :P [10:45] yes if they fix their console someday [10:46] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:46] matze: what's wrong with them? with bsd i've only really used OpenBSD and FreeBSD [10:46] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.0.38) joined ##slackware. [10:46] well, no more multilib. still troubles with sbopkg [10:46] its ok, but i don`t like B/W Midnight Commander [10:46] :) [10:47] it doesn't support colors? [10:47] hehe [10:47] it does work very well over ssh :) [10:47] but on console i got only B/W [10:47] #poo [10:48] have it running on a Sparcstation 1+ with 25mhz and 64mb 30pin simms [10:48] sadly with OpenBSD there aren't hardware accelerated ati/nvidia drivers for X [10:48] radeon should work with dri (on netbsd it does) [10:48] which is the main reason why i don't use it on my laptop [10:48] well, my laptop has an nvidia card [10:48] mr-S^b43 (~sven@cc940512-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:48] wow they are very open about it as well surrounder [10:48] even publishing papers and code [10:49] aah cool :) [10:49] i really liked how they integrated wireless into ifconfig. no iwconfig or wpa_supplicant [10:49] ifconfig handles everything [10:49] the FreeBSD console is much better :) [10:50] FreeBSD as of 8.0 didn't support my wireless card yet [10:50] but operating systems are like religion :) [10:50] zaltekk: ralink 3090? :P [10:50] but they have support for nvidia's binary drivers [10:50] so i was torn there too [10:50] only 32 bit [10:50] iirc [10:50] surrounder: intel 5100 [10:50] aaah ok [10:50] goarilla: i know they at least have had beta x64 drivers for months. [10:50] goarilla: a friend on mine has been using them for quite some time [10:51] *of [10:51] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [10:51] FreeBSD gave my a nice experience running it on a public unix system :) [10:51] matze: yeah, that's why I try to keep a more open mind about them and judge them on their technology [10:51] easier to setup then linux [10:52] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [10:52] it's odd tho since they do have stable 64 bit solaris drivers [10:52] What NVidia drivers do you suggest i use? [10:53] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [10:53] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:53] Azeotrope: the pink one [10:53] matze: FreeBSD is a nice OS, I ran it from 5.x-8.0. But, I've ditched the BSDs in favour of Slackware [10:53] come one [10:53] on [10:53] hitest: it definitly is [10:53] and FreeBSD has a very good handbook [10:53] true [10:53] goarilla: from what i remember, it has to do with memory management options on 64bit freebsd not meeting nvidias requirements [10:54] goarilla: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=148959 [10:54] the documentation on all the BSDs is nice imho [10:54] manpages for everything :) [10:55] and its very suitable for large deployments [10:55] easier to maintain then linux distributions [10:55] that I can believe, don't have any experience on it though [10:55] Greplicate (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-psupbegfraltijjk) joined ##slackware. [10:55] but i use linux more on desktop :) has a lot more drivers [10:55] at work we use ubuntu 8.04 on our servers, actually quite nice [10:55] deleted all my kernels from /boot, installed 2.6.29.6, configured lilo and now i can boot and startx but no kwin effects. [10:56] surrounder: doesnt the performance suck [10:56] Greplicate: no, why should it ? [10:56] Azeotrope: is your /etc/rc.d/rc.modules link updated? [10:56] ive compared it to slackware...ubuntu is horribly slow [10:56] zaltekk: i don't know [10:56] yes.. [10:57] zaltekk: how do I check? [10:57] Greplicate: haven't had any issues with it really.. [10:57] Azeotrope: ls -l /etc/rc.d/rc.modules [10:57] you need use a old machine and you will see differences more [10:57] probably [10:57] Azeotrope: do you know the definition of insanity? doing the same thing and expecting a different result [10:57] Azeotrope: it should point to /etc/rc.d/rc.modules-2.6.29.6, if you are running 2.6.29.6 [10:57] matze: indeed [10:57] who needs optimizing just buy a new pc... the statement of art today? [10:58] i would like an extra machine to test arch on [10:58] zaltekk: yes, it's pointing to that [10:58] matze: scathing overview american consumer culture? [10:58] Azeotrope: do you use binary drivers(like for nvidia?) [10:58] Greplicate: true but... what is has to do with me? [10:59] zaltekk: i didn't installed anything (after i reinstalled the kernels) [10:59] Azeotrope: haha, reinstall your kernel again and nvidia still wont work, see you tomorrow [10:59] Azeotrope: but did you have them before? [10:59] yes, but i couldn't startx at all [10:59] Greplicate: germany is not that different :/ [10:59] we get all shit swapping over the sea too [10:59] Azeotrope: you have to rebuild the nvidia kernel module for your new kernel [11:00] maybe Azeotrope should learn how to google his problems [11:00] zaltekk: how? installing the .run from NVIDIA website? [11:00] Azeotrope: run it with --advanced-options [11:00] it will tell you how [11:00] fresh install + find a 13 year old computer nerd [11:00] haha [11:00] hehe [11:01] Azeotrope: i`m sure you will get it working, just try as hard as you can [11:02] Greplicate: what exactly was horrible slow on ubuntu btw? I'm talking server, not desktop here [11:02] yea [11:02] Azeotrope: use the force [11:02] surrounder: the whole thing, from bottom to top, starting with the kernel [11:02] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:02] then going through every overpatched poorly optimized binary package [11:02] get some magic crystal ball.. [11:03] Greplicate: ok, interesting [11:03] haven't felt differences compared to centos we used to run on our servers before [11:03] if you dont know any better you think ubuntu is fast i guess [11:03] CentOS runs good [11:03] faster then ubuntu :) [11:04] cleaner [11:04] more stablerer [11:04] I had some.. arguments.. with centos [11:04] had more problems with those tbh [11:04] less packages in repository.. [11:04] imho it's still rpm madness [11:04] yeah, our customers want a shitload of different php/pear packages most of the time [11:04] apt is nice then [11:04] deb madness isnt better [11:05] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:05] Greplicate, how is ubuntu slower? [11:05] just a different flavor of pain [11:05] matze: hehe [11:05] they compile more aggressively than slack, their binaries shouldn't be slower [11:05] :D [11:05] ubuntu is optimized to bring linux to the masses [11:06] thrice`: was i talking to you? [11:06] yeah but it has a gazillion processes on boot [11:06] that you can turn off [11:06] Greplicate, no, but the nice thing about talking in a chat room is that anyone can read it [11:06] all the *kit and pulse* stuff [11:06] thrice`: esad [11:06] centos enables bluetooth by default I believe [11:06] really handy on a server :P [11:06] I believe centos wants you to remove a ton of crap if you try to get rid of bluetooth, too [11:07] ubuntu too [11:07] ;) [11:07] don't think so [11:07] PAIN is comming to town [11:07] let me check [11:07] :P [11:07] who cares, on every os you have something todo [11:07] best is do minimal install and add only what you need.. [11:07] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [11:08] matze, thats called job security [11:08] hehe [11:08] Greplicate, what's your problem? [11:08] I get this error when I try to install latest NVIDIA drivers: The kernel header file '/lib/modules/2.6.29.6/build/include/linux/version.h' does not exist. The most likely reason for this is that the kernel source files in '/lib/modules/2.6.29.6/build' have not been configured. [11:08] no headers ? [11:08] Azeotrope: so google it [11:09] time to buy a wifi router, this broken cable is driving me nuts :D [11:09] thrice`: i'm not going to answer your pointless questions that you always have when you stop lurking [11:09] Azeotrope: what the hell do you do ? [11:09] :) [11:09] oooh, you're the troll from last night. OK, sorry - I mistook you for someone intelligent who could back up their FUD statements [11:10] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.109.172) joined ##slackware. [11:10] matze: what do you mean? [11:10] ok you are right, ubuntu is faster than all distros [11:10] thrice`: damn, it's been freakin crazy in here lately. [11:10] Azeotrope, well, is it lying? :) does that file exist in /lib/modules ? [11:11] the nvidia drivers need the proper headers to compile their drivers [11:11] for a moment i thought matze was the NetBSD only troll [11:11] at the beginning of the conv [11:11] thrice`: and where do i get the headers from? [11:11] no offense matze [11:11] holy shit [11:11] Azeotrope, can you pastebin "ls /var/log/packages/*kernel*" ? [11:11] Azeotrope: goooooooooooooogle [11:12] Azeotrope: do you know what you do ? :) [11:13] Greplicate, I didn't say that; I'm not a fan of "ubuntu sucks, OMG" stuff. you said their "binaries are poorly optimized," which isn't true at all [11:13] every os has their flavors or misflavors no need to troll about it :) [11:14] no, osx is perfect from what Mr. Jobs says [11:14] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:14] thrice`: does version.h need to exist in /lib/modules ? it exists in /usr/src with me only [11:14] heh [11:14] thrice`: ubuntu is too slow for me (imo) is that better? i'll jsut say IMO after everything so lurkers wont throw around troll labels [11:14] and the nvidia drivers compiled just fine [11:14] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [11:15] thrice`: http://pastebin.org/118794 [11:15] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@200.159.32.100) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:15] its easy to maintain a os who only works on few machines. but others have to deal with thousand different machines [11:15] hi, I bought a SATA hd. I am about to format it using this command, let me know if I should add/remove a switch... mke2fs -t ext4 -T news -j /dev/sda1 [11:15] (OSX) [11:15] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [11:15] so we end up with mixed results.. [11:15] Greplicate, "lurker" ? I've been here ~5 years iirc [11:16] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@200.159.32.100) joined ##slackware. [11:16] morning thrice` [11:16] Azeotrope, ack, I think you missed the "*kernel*" part :> [11:16] is it fine? [11:16] thrice`: you are never part of a conversation until you can ask some question challenging someones opinion and then call them a troll [11:16] alreadygone, hm, yeah, that looks OK. I was curious if you had left-over 2.6.33 crap [11:17] huh? [11:17] Greplicate, seriously, I'm not interested in arguing with you. plz2stop? [11:17] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:17] Azeotrope, ^^ sorry [11:17] left-over 2.6.33 crap? [11:17] thats richhhh [11:17] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [11:18] thrice`: http://pastebin.org/118798 [11:18] I try to install mplayer from source and I get this msg: To use ssse3 extensions in MPlayer, you have to upgrade/recompile your kernel! [11:18] Checking for kernel support of cmov ... failed [11:18] thrice`, what did you mean? [11:18] what can I do? [11:19] alreadygone, I pushed tab on you instead of Azeotrope, sorry [11:19] disable that extension [11:19] --without-sse3 [11:19] but it looks like you're forcing to compile it in [11:19] Axius: if your processor supports sse3, you can recompile your kernel for it. or you can disable support for it in mplayer(probably the easier option) [11:19] have you set the CFLAGS CXXFLAGS [11:20] ok [11:20] happens [11:20] Unknown parameter: --without-sse3 [11:20] thrice`: how do i install the kernel headers that NVidia asks me? [11:20] Axius, are you using the slackbuild ? [11:21] Axius: do you run a c3 cpu ? [11:21] (686 without cmov) [11:22] Azeotrope, download this: ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware64-13.0/slackware64/d/kernel-headers-2.6.29.6-x86-2.txz , and do "upgradepkg --reinstall kernel-headers*.txz" on it [11:22] thrice`: I try to install the latest version from svn checkout svn://svn.mplayerhq.hu/mplayer/trunk mplayer [11:22] teckan (~teckan@bl6-127-150.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:22] macxsystems (~macxsyste@200.117.246.95) joined ##slackware. [11:23] Axius: `./configure --help` is your friend. Start there. [11:23] c3 cpu ? via ? [11:23] yes [11:23] thrice`: ok. did that? now reboot or I can reinstall nvidia? [11:23] Azeotrope, try to build it again [11:23] 586 with 686 instructions xD [11:23] like a 5x86 oO [11:24] :( [11:24] pentium 1 style [11:24] Nick change: happy_sl1cker -> happy_slacker [11:24] goarilla: mixed 686/586 :) [11:25] thrice`: i don't understand... what to build? i had kernel-generic....txz, kernel-modules...txz and kernel-firmware...txz. I installed them using installpkg, now the headers the way you said. do i have compile the kernel again? [11:25] Azeotrope, sorry, I mean "try to install the nvidia driver again" [11:25] no [11:25] the nvidia drivers [11:25] Azeotrope: how many times... KERNEL-SOURCE...i told you that yesterday when alienbob forgot to mention it [11:25] goarilla: some commercial software like vmware doesnt work on it.. due to the lack of cmov [11:25] He has kernel-source installed [11:26] Greplicate: kernel-source?? [11:26] goarilla: think this is fixed in the nehemiah core but i`m not sure :) [11:26] i need to go off [11:26] ciao, have a nice day [11:26] Axius: it's disable-ssse3 apparently they added an extra s for sse3 [11:26] matze (~matze@188-195-140-113-dynip.superkabel.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:26] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:26] goarilla: lol [11:26] but it's still the wrong way to go the configure script itself should find stuff like that out [11:27] I have a slackbuild that grabs mplayers SVN and builds, if you're interested too. I think their trunk is currently broken, however [11:27] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.44) joined ##slackware. [11:27] bye and good day to you sir [11:27] Azeotrope (~JBauer@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware. [11:27] Azeotrope (~JBauer@193.239.140.184) left irc: Changing host [11:27] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [11:28] well i have just launched my build thrice` [11:28] thrice`: same kernel headers error [11:28] if it fails i'll mention it [11:28] it did for me last night, could have been since fixed :) [11:28] Azeotrope: maybe you might want to read /var/log/nvidia-installer.log [11:29] yeah those MPlayer guys are eager beavers [11:29] that means look for errors, not warnings [11:29] thrice`: also sais I have the NVIDIA drivers, 190.53. i try to install 195.36.15 [11:29] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.109.172) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:30] Azeotrope, sorry, I'm not sure then :( I haven't used closed-source stuff like that in awhile; it should be able to build against the stuff in /usr/src/ just fine [11:30] the drivers have a option that cleans the old drivers [11:30] Greplicate: yes, tells me exactly what the nvidia installer sais [11:31] nvidia-uninstall? [11:31] yeah could be [11:31] I don't see the kernel-source package in that link. [11:31] did it, but i still install the new drivers [11:32] yeah you run the drivers with uninstall and then again to install [11:32] http://pastebin.org/118798 shows it [11:32] Oh, there it is. [11:32] goarilla: did that but i still get the kernel headers error [11:33] odd [11:33] the nvidia installer does have a log file somewhere in tmp or var iirc [11:34] yes. in var [11:34] i get this: The kernel header file '/lib/modules/2.6.29.6/build/include/linux/version.h' does not exist. The most likely reason for this is that the kernel source files in '/lib/modules/2.6.29.6/build' have not been configured. [11:34] Azeotrope, ok, lets try a hackish approach [11:34] change lib/modules to /usr/src [11:34] in the installer code [11:35] make a backup of it first tho [11:35] do you have a "/lib/modules/2.6.29.6/build ? [11:35] why it has a command line option for that [11:35] thrice`: ok [11:35] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:35] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [11:35] ok nevermind [11:36] build is a symlink to /usr/src/$(uname -r) as you may have discovered. [11:36] well, it *should* be :) [11:36] What does $(uname -r) show? [11:37] Err.. uname -r [11:37] thrice`: i have [11:37] indeed gm152 [11:37] I'd hack it with "rm -rf /lib/modules/2.6.29.6/build; ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.6.29.6/ /lib/modules/2.6.29.6/build" [11:38] and the modules package should have made that symlink [11:38] thats exactly what the modules package does thrice` [11:38] and it also symlinks the source dir [11:39] indeed. he did some upgrade/downgrade things iirc, so perhaps something got lost in the mix [11:39] to the same location as the build [11:39] Axius (~fd@109.97.63.172) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:39] thrice`: i did that [11:39] Azeotrope, ok, now try nvidia again [11:39] Axius (~fd@109.97.39.43) joined ##slackware. [11:40] In that link, your kernel headers are x86 whereas your other kernel packages (except kernel-source which is noarch) is x86_64? [11:40] thrice`: same... [11:40] thrice`: i'll go for a reboot [11:40] :( [11:40] huh [11:40] why ? [11:41] this is not windows rebooting rarely fixes anything [11:41] I get this error while trying to login:-zsh: error while loading shared libraries: libgdbm.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [11:41] goarilla: ok [11:41] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.44) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:41] Axius, partial upgrade? not a full install? :) [11:42] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:43] Axius, gdbm should provide that [11:43] thrice`: is the kernel headers you gave me 64bits? [11:43] Azeotrope, yes [11:43] Shows as x86 in the list. [11:43] thrice`: yes, I made a partial install but until now is use to work well. [11:43] I think it got cutoff; 32-bit would be 486 or so [11:44] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [11:44] Axius, well, hopefully you have a user with root privs (or root) to login with bash [11:44] do you have gdbm installed? [11:45] thrice`: now it works. [11:45] generally, trying to trim l/ can be dangerous :) [11:45] I have mounted an usb flash drive to /usr [11:46] except un-needed krap like qt of course [11:46] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [11:46] thank god for small favors [11:46] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.96) joined ##slackware. [11:47] thrice`: how do i configure kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.29.6/build [11:47] or kdei [11:47] Azeotrope: If the list of packages has not changed since you provided the link, you installed the kernel headers for the wrong arch. [11:48] gm152: x86 instead of x86_64? [11:48] gm152, I'm pretty sure that cut-off with the paste; I had him grab the package and reinstall it [11:48] Azeotrope: you know you arent going to realize how easy it all is if you dont reinstall and start from fresh [11:48] Azeotrope, does "ls /var/log/packages/kernel-headers* " show x86_64 ? [11:49] gm152: pkgtools doesn't install the headers for a wrong arch ? [11:49] thrice`: nope [11:49] at least you learned not to use init 4 which wasted about 3 days [11:50] i use init 4 because other people use this pc. people that are affraid of text-mode [11:50] Depends on the method used to install. [11:50] oh wait, on 64-bit, they are just x86 too [11:50] you're OK [11:50] gm152: full install of course [11:51] ok, then what's the problem? [11:51] Azeotrope: 3 people use my computer (including me). My brother is un-comfortable with text-mode, and my sister is totally lost. At least, I have trained them to login and type "startx" at the bash prompt. [11:52] Oh, they are. My bad. Just thought the naming nomenclature was weird. [11:52] Azeotrope, what does "ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build" report ? [11:52] Mel-nix: nice. at least your computer starts x [11:52] naming nomenclature is redundant :P [11:52] thrice` deserves an award :) [11:53] thrice`: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2010-03-20 16:46 /lib/modules/2.6.29.6/build -> /usr/src/linux-2.6.29.6/ [11:53] no award, I'm out of ideas :p [11:53] recommend a fresh install, then tell him how many years you have been in #slackware [11:53] thrice`: you're a fantatic help to folk in here. and patient. cheers :) [11:53] is there a version.h in the /usr/src/linux directory? [11:54] nah, he didnt do make oldconfig; make prepare [11:54] he isnt psychich you know [11:54] happy_slacker (~toor@189.107.100.128) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:55] and t hat would be the wrong .config too im sure...and then more problems [11:55] Immundus: no, there's not [11:55] chipster, thanks, but clearly not enough :> [11:56] has he rerun the installe r? [11:56] s/rerun the installe r/reinstalled slackware/ [11:56] no, no he hasn't [11:57] Will Azeotrope's problems be solved if he upgrades to `-current'? [11:57] oh god pls. no. [11:57] seconded [11:57] Azeotrope, you're trying the 64-bit driver from nvidia, and not 32-bit ? [11:57] thrice`: yes [11:59] thrice`: but i'm missing that file that nvidia asks.. and i don't know where to get it [11:59] do slackbuilds fail if there is no slack-desc or am i recompiling wine again for no reason [12:00] They don't fail, you just don't get the description when you install the package. [12:00] Greplicate: What version of wine? [12:00] 1.1.41 or whatever [12:00] OK mplayer has been succesfully build so they fixed the trunk branch [12:00] Greplicate: I compiled successfully today. [12:01] it didnt make a slackpack...only error i saw was cat: no slack-desc [12:01] if you use a slackbuild that has "set -e" , it'll die [12:01] thrice`: Good point. [12:01] Action: Greplicate crosses fingers [12:02] Mel-nix, use kdm as a login manager for your family [12:03] put startx in their bashrc....f runlevel 4 [12:03] oobe: How? [12:03] Action: chipster falls off chair and dies [12:03] what does set -e do ? [12:04] makes all errors fatal? [12:04] goarilla: It makes the build exit on any error. It's sort of like putting "|| exit" at the end of each line. [12:04] make it bail out [12:04] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [12:05] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:07] Mel-nix, test kdm works by typing kdm as root from a real tty if it does add it to /etc/rc.d/rc.local [12:07] as in just write kdm in rc.local [12:08] a properly written Build can still finish it no ? [12:08] oobe: as opposed to editing inittab? is this a less annoying use of kdm? [12:08] oobe: what's wrong with rc.4 [12:08] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:08] i dont know probably nothing [12:08] zaltekk (~zaltekk@kennethbrown.me) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:09] i say, let them type startx >:D [12:10] using rc.4 appears to start kdm without a daemon so i assume that would take up a tty [12:10] i use all my tty's [12:10] but i havent tested its behaviour [12:10] How do I verify if kdm is available? [12:10] which kdm [12:11] I know nothing about kdm. [12:11] kdm is the kde desktop manager [12:11] you other choices are gdm and xdm [12:11] XDM is horrible tho [12:11] rv2733 (rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:11] since slackware doesnt ship with gnome and xdm is awkward to use [12:12] then kdm is your best choice [12:12] oobe: I don't have KDE installed, since I dislike it. [12:12] Mel-nix, using kdm just gives you a graphical log in prompt [12:13] http://images.google.com.au/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=kdm%20&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi [12:14] did you check if you have kdm installed it is likely you dont have it if you didnt install the kdm packages [12:14] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@200.159.32.100) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [12:14] Azeotrope: you're trying to compile nvidia's kernel module for 195.36.15 on slack64 with standard kernel (2.6.29.6)? [12:15] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-219.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [12:15] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:15] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [12:15] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [12:16] bout to boot up my 3+ year decomissioned slackware 10.2 server/desktop [12:16] need my xp qemu install to play fallout [12:17] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [12:17] oobe: Thanks for the link, but I hate it when distros try to mimic the graphical eye-candy of other rival OSs. I am not at all fascinated by such things. [12:17] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [12:18] no no the point is that it provides a highly configurable login manager [12:18] if you want it to look a certain way then it will [12:18] don't hate. learn to manipulate your runlevels [12:18] its only useful for xdmcp imo :D [12:19] chipster: You mean use run-level 4 in stead of 3 ? [12:22] yes [12:23] thats the more sane way [12:23] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:25] howdy folks. [12:32] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [12:32] zaltekk (~zaltekk@kennethbrown.me) joined ##slackware. [12:33] Greplicate_ (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-spvkrldqrrfkxusi) joined ##slackware. [12:33] Greplicate_ (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-spvkrldqrrfkxusi) left irc: Client Quit [12:33] Greplicate (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-psupbegfraltijjk) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:33] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [12:34] vehn_z (~vehn_z@h62-133-183-53.dyn.bashtel.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:34] Greplicate (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-iumxliteugstslyt) joined ##slackware. [12:35] lxdm is getting better. there's also slim [12:35] I do not care how to solve my problems anymore I just want to find out why they appeared. http://pastebin.org/118842 [12:36] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [12:36] Azeotrope: the error is quite clear [12:37] Azeotrope: install kernel-headers [12:37] ananke: yes, i do not have that .h file. But why? I never deleted it. [12:37] freenode is working fine for everyone? [12:37] i dont see any topic or user list [12:38] Greplicate: i'm guessing it would be your client's fault [12:38] vehn_z: I already did that. I have kernel-headers-2.6.29.6-x86-2.txz from Slackware64 repository. [12:38] Greplicate (189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-iumxliteugstslyt) left ##slackware. [12:38] Azeotrope: didn't you just say you don't care how to solve it? [12:39] Greplicate (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-iumxliteugstslyt) joined ##slackware. [12:39] chb (~1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [12:39] hmm there we go, but im getting channel text in the status window for some other channel lol [12:39] [12:38] it erases the "wall" than colors itn[12:38] Can't use this command in this window [12:39] ananke: Yes, but I want to know why. [12:40] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-3-97.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:41] Axius (~fd@109.97.39.43) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:41] Azeotrope: ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build [12:41] ananke: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2010-03-20 16:46 /lib/modules/2.6.29.6/build -> /usr/src/linux-2.6.29.6 [12:41] Azeotrope: and does /usr/src/linux-2.6.29.6 exist? [12:42] we need an equivalent of 'rpm -qa --last | tail -10' :) [12:42] install rpm :) [12:43] installing rpm wouldn't make that command produce anything [12:43] ) [12:44] ananke: yes. this is it's content http://pastebin.org/118843 [12:44] i do NOT have the huge kernel anymore [12:45] bwhaha this client is fubar [12:43] == frennzy [~frennzy@190.190.173.52] has joined ##linuxn[12:44] == #linux You're not on that channel [12:45] Greplicate (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-iumxliteugstslyt) left irc: [12:45] Greplicate (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-dhnudjboaqkmfyik) joined ##slackware. [12:46] ananke: ls -t /var/log/packages/ | head [12:46] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@200.159.32.100) joined ##slackware. [12:47] Azeotrope: are you running stock kernel or did you compile your own? [12:47] the 195.36.15 kernel module compiled fine for me on stock kernel [12:47] should i rm -rf /usr/src/linux-2.6.29.6/ and then download same kernel src from kernel.org and put them there? [12:47] Action: Greplicate chants fresh install fresh install fresh install [12:48] Azeotrope: no, Pat patched it for additional security leaks [12:48] pprkut: I have a stock kernel. [12:48] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [12:48] pprkut: i played a lot with the kernels and i lost the track [12:48] (re)install the kernel packages [12:48] pprkut: he has done that like 10 times [12:49] pprkut: ok. kernel-generic, kernel-modules, kernel-firmware from dvd slackware/a [12:49] and kernel-source from /k [12:50] actually, everything from /patches [12:50] pprkut: so, i should copy the source from dvd and put it in /usr/src/linux-2.6.29.6/ [12:50] Ratrophy (~Burninato@75.133.165.191) joined ##slackware. [12:51] why not slackpkg clean-system [12:51] Azeotrope: no, there's /patches/packages/linux-2.6.29.6-3/kernel-source-2.6.29.6-noarch-3.txz [12:51] assuming you can uncomment a 13.0-arch mirror from mirrors and run slackpkg update (but thats asking a lot) [12:51] pprkut: anyone is successfully using firefox3.6 from patches/ on x86_64????? [12:52] Azeotrope: just upgradepkg that, or installpkg or whatever floats your boat [12:52] Tusk: I'm pretty sure I did until I switched to -current. What's the issue [12:52] pprkut: it just segfaults here... [12:53] full install? [12:53] yep [12:53] pprkut: can you explain please? [12:53] try strace? [12:53] yeah nothing relevant [12:53] to my eyes at least [12:53] Tusk: i know [12:54] doesn't even load much [12:54] Tusk: firefox -safe-mode [12:54] that will work [12:54] Azeotrope: sure, what exactly? [12:54] Tusk: then exit firefox and type firefox again [12:54] what's the deal with safe mode? you think that would come from an addon? [12:54] Tusk: then close firefox and see if it will still load...mine required a -safe-mode every other launch because i didnt want to rm ~/.mozilla/firefox -R [12:55] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:55] but i wasnt 64bit either...same solution im going to bet [12:55] i sure don't want that either :D [12:55] pprkut: what should I do so I can have the system running og with a good stable kernel and nvidia [12:55] haha, now that's a question :) [12:55] Azeotrope: use default kernel and don't mess with it if you don't know [12:55] just -safe-mode, alt + f4, then firefox....though like i said, the problem will probably keep coming back [12:56] Tusk: too late [12:56] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [12:56] Azeotrope: fresh install [12:56] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [12:56] Greplicate: no way. [12:56] Azeotrope: you know that slackware has software upgrades published after it's release, and that they are available online in /patches? [12:56] Greplicate: let me download 3.6 + 3.5 so i'll have a browser in case that goes bad :D [12:56] Azeotrope: you havent even done anything except break the system...would take 0 minutes to re-configure everything you think you have done but really havent done anything good [12:57] Azeotrope: here for example: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-13.0/patches/ [12:57] pprkut: oh come on .. what do you think. [12:58] pprkut: but he would look for /patches on the dvd :D [12:58] oh now you've opened a can of worms [12:58] Greplicate: I know i broke it. Also I am trying to fix it. If it takes you 0 minutes, it's nice. You could help me - it took me so far 24 hrs [12:59] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:59] Azeotrope: you havent even customized anything except breakage...reinstall and you will see that nvidia works FRIGGING FINE IF YOU LET IT WORK [12:59] so the rule is: "don't mess with what you don't know" :) [13:00] or else be ready to put your hands in the engine [13:00] another rule is, if you break it by choice, maybe you should fix it on your own? [13:00] if you dont know what the hell is going on, fresh install and stop trying to be clever :D [13:00] Greplicate: I am sure i will, but i can't do a fresh install [13:01] Azeotrope: and why not [13:01] pprkut: oh. have all those txz packages [13:01] Greplicate: because i spent a lot of time compiling apps for slackware [13:01] Azeotrope: so back up the packages you compiled? [13:01] Azeotrope: also the packages from the linux-2.6.29.6-3 subdirectory? [13:02] pprkut: well, just those. do you want me to do a full system update? [13:02] nah, you only need those for now [13:03] you can break it again once it was working ;) [13:03] pprkut: all right! [13:03] i'm gonna be banned, i've stressed up many people in here [13:04] took me so far 24 hrs [13:04] (16:58:44) --> andarius (andarius) (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) has joined ##slackware [13:04] (16:58:59) ( Greplicate) Azeotrope: you havent even customized anything except breakage...reinstall and you will see that nvidia works FRIGGING [13:04] Channel flood from Azeotrope -- kicking [13:04] FINE IF YOU LET IT WORK [13:04] Azeotrope kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [13:04] hahaha [13:04] *facepalm* [13:04] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [13:04] damn [13:04] ak it by choice, maybe you should fix it on your own? [13:04] 24 hours....is an insult to this entire channel [13:04] more like 120 hours [13:04] Azeotrope: maybe if you keep on with that :P [13:04] mistake, sorry [13:05] 11:59 < Greplicate> another rule is, if you break it by choice, maybe you should fix it on your own? [13:05] I like that [13:05] indeed [13:05] pprkut: so, installpkg or upgradepkg? i have 2.6.29.6 right now? [13:05] chipster: agreed. [13:05] Azeotrope: ok, now do "upgradepkg --reinstall --install-new" on those kernel packages, all of them [13:05] there's also this nice thing called 'google' [13:05] something Azeotrope should be familiar with by now :P [13:06] i quoted the definition of insanity earlier..since then he has reinstalled his kernel about 4 times [13:06] surrounder: what google? or breaking things? :P: [13:06] Azeotrope: make sure it's the -3.txz's though [13:06] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:06] BP{k}: hehe [13:06] pprkut: do i nee huge also? [13:06] bulletz (~kerbau@read.rgs.edu.sg) joined ##slackware. [13:06] doesn't hurt and is a good failsafe [13:07] s/failsafe/default/ [13:07] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:08] generic is the recommended default kernel [13:09] ok. i installed all of them, except huge. [13:10] as you wish. Now regenerate the mkinitrd for generic and rerun lilo [13:10] I get this after each install http://pastebin.org/118862 [13:10] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [13:10] nvision (~nvision@p4FC0297F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:10] Azeotrope: are you sure, your installer for x86_64, not for x86? [13:11] Azeotrope: it's not important for the kernel, but you might have to look at it later. First things first [13:11] nvision (~nvision@p4FC0297F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Excess Flood [13:11] vehn_z: x86_64 [13:11] oobe (proxy@aubry.athnex.com) joined ##slackware. [13:12] Azeotrope: try http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/nvidia-kernel/ and http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/nvidia-driver/ [13:12] pprkut: ok. mkinitrd -c -k `uname -r` -m ext4 -f ext4 -r /dev/sdax? [13:12] nvision (~nvision@p4FC0297F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:12] depends on your system, no idea [13:13] i have ext4 and sdax is my root [13:13] I don't think sdax is right :> [13:13] 7 [13:14] Azeotrope: you can use this: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/tools/mkinitrd_command_generator.sh [13:14] pprkut: http://pastebin.org/118867 [13:15] well, run lilo and reboot. If it reboots without error it was correct ;) [13:15] :) [13:15] in doubt I would check again with the script I posted the link for [13:16] bulletz (~kerbau@read.rgs.edu.sg) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:16] ok. i think i'll use the script, has some things added [13:16] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [13:18] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:19] when he comes back im going to tell him to reinstall his kernel :D [13:20] yes Greplicate your great and hes not we see your point [13:20] Immundus: eat your peanuts [13:21] m) [13:22] gaz (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:23] Axius (~fd@109.97.39.43) joined ##slackware. [13:23] I get this error while the system boots:ALSA lib control.c:909:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL hw:0 [13:25] What should I do? [13:25] Axius, did you compile your own kernel? [13:25] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [13:25] brbrbr (~basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [13:25] Azeotrope: how are we doing? :) [13:26] nachox: no, I did not compile my own kernel. [13:26] pprkut: ok, i have installed the nvidia drivers, i let the installer modify xorg.conf but i haven't startx yet [13:26] Axius, you're using current? [13:26] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) joined ##slackware. [13:27] nachox: no, I'm useing slackware 13.0 [13:27] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:28] Action: pprkut crosses fingers [13:28] that's odd [13:28] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [13:29] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [13:29] nachox: What should I do then? [13:29] does your sound card work? [13:30] Ok. startx works, but i have kwin effects [13:30] thank you pprkut [13:30] and all of you [13:30] you're welcome :) [13:30] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.66.128) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:31] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:31] nachox: no, I can not hear any sound. [13:32] Axius, it is not mutted, right? run alsamixer [13:32] how do you update your system time? [13:32] date [13:32] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.66.128) joined ##slackware. [13:32] or ntp/ntpdate [13:32] alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory [13:33] ALSA lib conf.c:3009:(snd_config_update_r) Cannot access file /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf [13:33] ut_ (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [13:33] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [13:34] nvision (~nvision@p4FC0297F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:34] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [13:35] Axius, have you run alsaconf? [13:35] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-079.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:35] dive: yes, I have run it and is there. [13:35] [13:36] pprkut: if i want to upgrade pidgin from that website, can i just upgradepkg? [13:36] zed_DX (~kvirc@187.146.91.20) joined ##slackware. [13:37] what website? [13:37] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-13.0/patches/packages/ [13:38] yes, but you should make sure too everything else from there installed as well [13:38] Can someone help with my sound configuration? [13:38] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.126.167) joined ##slackware. [13:39] even proftpd for example? i don't remember having it [13:40] |CtrlAltCa| (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [13:40] slackpkg is your friend [13:40] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:41] the sound works but is to small. [13:42] how can sound be small? [13:43] is not loud [13:43] ah, ok :) [13:43] smartass [13:44] :D [13:44] I almost not able to hear it. [13:44] how can an ass be smart? [13:44] Axius: you are going to kill me if I tell you "turn up the volume", right? ;) [13:44] pprkut the correct technical term is: pump up the volume [13:44] gotta hold your crotch as you say it though [13:44] my shit goes to 11 [13:44] make the sound large! [13:44] I wanna rock! [13:45] barack me obomadeus [13:46] Action: antiwire dies [13:46] Action: andarius gets out the paddles and gives antiwire a hit! [13:46] mancha: you have lost your pun privileges [13:46] it worked :o [13:46] fuck! [13:46] lol [13:47] heh [13:47] ahaha [13:47] john_dee (~id@95-29-187-134.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [13:47] Action: Greplicate dies [13:48] lunch is ready! [13:48] hmm [13:48] my ssd is running better which means it wasnt the ssd, i think it was my ram speed /:/ [13:48] let's bury Greplicate [13:48] pprkut: I want set the sound with alsamixer but I get an error when I try to open it:ALSA lib conf.c:3009:(snd_config_update_r) Cannot access file /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf ALSA lib control.c:909:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL default [13:48] i wanted a nordic funeral [13:49] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [13:49] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Client Quit [13:49] Axius: alsactl init [13:49] biker (~biker@201.170.194.202.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [13:49] ALSA lib conf.c:3009:(snd_config_update_r) Cannot access file /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf [13:49] ALSA lib control.c:909:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL hw:0 [13:49] Segmentation fault [13:50] Axius: does that file exist? what are the permissions? [13:50] Axius: are you in the audio group? [13:51] and paste dmesg for these fine folks [13:51] gtg [13:51] john_dee (~id@95-29-187-134.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:51] Greplicate: ok, I will paste [13:52] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:53] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:53] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [13:55] Greplicate (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-dhnudjboaqkmfyik) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:56] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:56] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-3-97.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:58] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-93-147.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:59] elbeardmorez (~elbeardmo@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:59] It seems that the /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf does not exist. [14:00] pprkut: i need to do this http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/UserDocs/ath5kAccessPoint Can you please give me some guideline so I don't overwrite my current kernel? [14:00] Axius, alsa-lib provides it [14:02] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:02] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [14:02] peacedog (~peacedog@pool-71-254-81-30.lyncva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:02] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:03] thrice`: thank you, my problem was I've not installed alsa-lib-1.0.18-i486-2. [14:04] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:04] are there oss4 packages somewhere ? [14:05] ok my I have one wish : could someone pass me the kdevelop4 beta9 build ? [14:05] Azeotrope: use a different kernel version, that's the easiest way [14:06] |CtrlAltCa| (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [14:06] pprkut: and i put it's sources in /usr/src/linux-2.6.30 for example? [14:07] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-93-147.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:07] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:07] I'm running Slack 13 stock. I can't get konqueror or Dolphin to view my 5.x.x.x hamachi network. Am I over looking something or is this another short coming with KDE4? [14:08] Azeotrope: just untar the official linux tarball and use whatever they use [14:09] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:09] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:10] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [14:12] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [14:12] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Client Quit [14:13] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:14] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [14:15] peacedog, have you tried turning it off and on again? [14:15] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [14:17] PenPerkInc (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:17] alreadygone: yes, Thanks, hamachi is working, it's the file browsers I'm having a problem with. [14:17] no I meant the PC [14:17] Is there even a network browsing feature in any file manager of kde4? [14:17] zux1wrk (~zux@212.93.97.139) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:17] Action: alreadygone is watching 'The IT Crowd' [14:18] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] alreadygone: It's been on/off rebooted multiple occasions. I don't believe that is the problem. ;-) [14:19] ok [14:23] uhh if I convert the rpm package of kdevelop9 it won't work on my slacware current ? would it ? [14:24] eh, why now get the source? [14:26] kdevelop from source is really easy [14:26] pprkut: how to build it ? [14:27] paul424: normally, rpm's are set up for slackwares hiearchy. you risk spraying four system with files, making it hard to remove or upgrade [14:27] modify slackware's slackbuild for kde [14:27] http://www.slackwiki.org/Writing_A_SlackBuild_Script [14:28] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:29] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-3-44.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:29] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-079.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:29] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:29] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-142-253.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:31] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:31] peacedog: are you a fan of "The Cult" ? [14:31] what torrent client should i use so i can use it as a deamon? [14:31] to start as root [14:32] that the worst idea you've had yet [14:32] rk4n3: Why yes I am! That's not where the nick came from though. ;-) [14:33] peacedog: ah - excellent ! I'm a fan too, but that's the only place I've heard the term ... what was in mind when you picked it ? [14:33] http://pastebin.com/ty99X8UQ uhh who could modify this script to work with kdvelop beta 9 ? [14:34] I'll get right on that [14:34] rk4n3: Was actually given it. I used to do some bouncing/policing in bars and such. Something about keeping the peace like a junkyard dog or something like that. (Been many moons ago). Anywho, it just stuck. [14:34] Azeotrope: why not use rtorrent in a screen session ? [14:35] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-079.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:35] peacedog: cool :) [14:35] rk4n3: and how do i make it start at boot? [14:35] Anyone running Slack13 and browsing network shares? What are you using? [14:35] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-079.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:36] cifs shares? [14:36] Azeotrope: I believe you could write a script to start it up, and have the script invoked from /etc/rc.d/rc.local [14:37] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [14:37] peacedog: I imagine you'd like to browse remote hosts for the file systems they export ? [14:38] ls [14:38] rk4n3: I've got a little hamachi network setup. I can't get Dolphin or konqueror to view any of the 5.x.x.x addresses? [14:38] Axius (~fd@109.97.39.43) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:39] Axius (~fd@109.97.39.43) joined ##slackware. [14:39] With kde3 konqueror "just worked". Then again, a lot of things with kde3 "just worked". [14:40] Action: rk4n3 googles hamachi [14:40] I created a udev rule (70-persistent-modem.rules) which contains KERNEL=="ttyS0", SYMLINK+="modem" ....is this the correct way? The best way to configure an external modem? [14:40] ah, vpn [14:40] yes [14:40] I wonder if there might be a routing issue at the network level ? [14:41] After I configure my kernel with make menuconfig, make bzImage, make modules, move the bzimage to /boot/vmlinuz-new, copy the System.map, do i have to do make modules_install? won't this interfere with my current kernel? [14:41] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:42] nick4 (~fffeop@62.1.63.4) joined ##slackware. [14:43] peacedog: so, you have a local network interface that represents your end of the VPN - have you verified the routing associated with it ? [14:43] mancha (mancha@DOMINIA.MIT.EDU) joined ##slackware. [14:43] mancha (mancha@DOMINIA.MIT.EDU) left irc: Client Quit [14:43] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [14:43] peacedog: and then, my next thought would be firewall - is there one that affects that network interface, and how it would be configured, etc... [14:45] peacedog: another interesting observation would be how the programs (file managers) function on your local LAN ... do they have the same problem(s) ? [14:45] Axius (~fd@109.97.39.43) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:49] Axius (~fd@109.97.38.129) joined ##slackware. [14:50] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:50] rk4n3: same problem on local, I believe the functionality just isn't built in yet. I can use smb4k just fine on the local lan, but niether konqueror or dolphin work. [14:50] Karu_ (~alch@78-28-86-146.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [14:50] peacedog: aha [14:50] ea_suter (~easuter@clv-186.temp.uevora.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:51] Hi folks [14:51] peacedog: unfortunately, I don't use file managers too often, so I'm not an expert - but I believe I remember that Nautilus did a fairly comprehensive job of providing visibility to remote resources like file shares [14:52] rk4n3: Nautilus slackbuild anywhere? [14:52] Action: rk4n3 checks [14:52] tubbylandia (~tubbyland@190.1.58.246) joined ##slackware. [14:52] klaasvakie (~johann@vc-41-26-106-17.umts.vodacom.co.za) joined ##slackware. [14:52] peacedog: doesn't look like it ... I think it might be part of gnome [14:53] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [14:53] it is a part of gnone, and it not standalone. Not trivial. :-/ [14:53] Nick change: Karu_ -> Axelpalm [14:53] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:53] tubbylandia (tubbyland@190.1.58.246) left ##slackware. [14:53] peacedog: ah, that's a bummer (what chipster mentions) [14:53] konqueror is pretty good with that too (IMO) [14:54] It tis! ;-) On a side note, I just tried Konqueror and Dolphin on my lan with smb://myserver and it worked! Go figure? [14:54] hmmm [14:55] so it works on your local host, but not on another host on your LAN ? [14:55] ... that seems to smell of firewall, maybe on either host [14:57] http://pastebin.com/edkK3MA4 ok what parameters should I pass to make the cmake script working ? [14:57] Neither host is running a firewall, but maybe I'm missing something. [14:58] anyone know how I can have slackware-security emails delivered to my server's admin mailing list? [14:59] I tried subscribinb my list to slackware-security but I don't think it worked because I'm not receiving any sort of confirmation [14:59] peacedog: is the remote host on your LAN that you've tried running Windows ? That darn Windows firewall has bitten me more than once (i.e. thinking it was off when it wasn't) [15:00] it can turn its self back on [15:00] and can get toggled on when you make other security changes [15:00] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [15:00] indeed [15:00] One W2k machine, one Mac (OSX) machine, the Winblowz machine doesn't have a firewall installed. [15:01] aha - Windows comes stock with a firewall [15:02] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [15:02] can any body to me about using bluetooth in slackware [15:02] Not 2000, nothing there but possibly some ipsec rules from a service pack. [15:03] Blue-Slacker: Good luck. ;-) [15:03] Blue-Slacker, I have bluetooth running [15:03] klaasvakie: how you can use it [15:04] the standard slack stuff is good to get the connections up, you need to install openobex to transfer files etc [15:04] peacedog: ah, that's right ... I'm in the dark about OSX too... [15:04] What type of bluetooth? There are different bluetooth connection types. [15:04] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.126.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:04] and the rfcomm stuff is good for virtual serial ports [15:05] not asking what is good. I'm asking what he needs. [15:05] antiwire, sure, i am guessing he wants it all [15:05] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [15:05] well you don't need it all if all you need is to connect a mouse [15:05] so, rfcomm for tethering, openobex for files [15:05] only thing i haven't tried is audio [15:05] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [15:06] Blue-Slacker: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-13-and-bluez-woes-759397/?highlight=bluetooth there is a config issue with 13 and dbus. [15:06] hi [15:06] I have a question [15:07] Im compiling the kernel,., and when I installed it (make install) it returned me : sh /usr/src/linux-2.6.33.1/arch/x86/boot/install.sh 2.6.33.1 arch/x86/boot/bzImage \ System.map "/boot" [15:07] peacedog: tnx [15:07] biker: have fun [15:07] it means that my kernel is 32 bits? [15:07] rk4n3: Yeah, the "included firewall" started with XP. I cleared all rules in OSX as well. [15:07] Blue-Slacker: NP, AT. ;-) [15:08] Yes, x86 is 32 bits. [15:08] :S [15:08] damn i dont know what I did wrong, I want x64 bits =/ [15:09] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:09] After I configure my kernel with make menuconfig, make bzImage, make modules, move the bzimage to /boot/vmlinuz-new, copy the System.map, do i have to do make modules_install? won't this interfere with my current kernel? I also put a localversion for my kernel [15:09] my kernel = compiled kernel [15:09] Azeotrope: If you configured your kernel correctly, using LOCALVERSION, it will not interfere [15:10] yes, localversion [15:10] antiwire: i do make install now, before booting my new kernel [15:10] Modules will be installed into /lib/modules/$VERSION-$LOCALVERSION/ [15:10] don't do make install. [15:10] make modules_install. [15:10] hovercat (1000@r11lt208.net.upc.cz) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:10] yea, mistake [15:11] biker is going to have some fun with that make install he ran [15:11] antiwire, lol xD [15:12] antiwire, I followed the instructions here http://slackwiki.org/Kernel26Compilation [15:12] Yeah, no doubt it clobbered a kernel he had there. [15:12] Or a symlink to one. [15:12] antiwire, also what I pasted here was not all the output of make install [15:12] it is this : [15:12] sh /usr/src/linux-2.6.33.1/arch/x86/boot/install.sh 2.6.33.1 arch/x86/boot/bzImage \ [15:12] System.map "/boot" [15:12] Warning: LBA32 addressing assumed [15:12] Channel flood from biker -- kicking [15:12] Added Slackware * [15:12] Added Backup [15:12] Added Windows [15:12] biker kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [15:12] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [15:12] biker (~biker@201.170.194.202.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [15:13] damn sorry for that :$ [15:13] I would not use make install for kernels, ever. [15:13] I have a how to I wrote somewhere. [15:13] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:13] antiwire, do you have it? [15:14] antiwire, I followed this page: http://slackwiki.org/Kernel26Compilation [15:14] That's fine but that's not the way I'd do it. [15:14] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:15] vehn_z (~vehn_z@h62-133-183-53.dyn.bashtel.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:15] oo ok [15:15] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-3-52.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:15] is slackboy a booot ? anyway does anyone have the kdevelopbeta9 already build ? [15:16] http://pastebin.org/118915 [15:16] well, he's a bot :) [15:16] I found that webpage when I saw someone asking here how to compile the kernel, and someone gave him that webpage,., so I bookmarked [15:17] That how to I posted, if followed correctly, will allow you to build a totally fucked up kernel and not ruin your stock kernel. [15:18] hovercat (1000@r11lt208.net.upc.cz) joined ##slackware. [15:20] antiwire, ooo okok thank you :) [15:20] so what do you recommend me? [15:20] before restarting trying your method? [15:21] Reinstall the stock kernel packages and setup your initrd if you use one. run lilo and reboot [15:21] start with a working system. [15:21] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [15:22] Right now, None of us know if your system will even boot with what you've done [15:22] damn [15:22] xd [15:22] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [15:22] kernel panic for my first compiled kernel lol [15:22] paul424: no, slackboy is not a booot [15:22] howcome slackware doesn't ship the openldap server?! [15:22] Azeotrope: http://pastebin.org/118915 [15:22] Azeotrope, lol :p [15:22] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [15:23] the package is only for client programs and libraries :( [15:23] Azeotrope: try again. [15:23] ea_suter: it does. [15:23] oh. [15:23] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:23] babai (~babai@115.187.56.162) joined ##slackware. [15:24] yeah I found it really strange. I mean read the slackbuild: http://darkstar.ist.utl.pt/slackware/slackware-13.0/source/n/openldap-client/openldap-client.SlackBuild [15:24] I know what Ill do,., I will backup my info,., and then restart,., if restaring fails Ill install 32-bit slackware,., because im having a lot of problems with slackware64 =/ [15:24] the server is explicitly disabled :( [15:24] biker: like what? [15:25] i just set up multilib in 6 minutes, with wine [15:25] ea_suter: what is strange? [15:25] well why wouldn't the server be included? [15:25] Cann0n, well I have problems installing some programs altough I made my system multilib [15:25] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-071-068-037-030.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:25] or why isn't there a separate package with the server? [15:25] installing and running * [15:26] biker: like what kid of programs? i've recently had tons of issues, but now i'm sorting them out just fine [15:27] well Cann0n ,., rhythmbox, wine, machinarium, google earth, ettercap, as i remember [15:27] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [15:27] biker: I have wine and machinarium working fine here. [15:27] Machinarium, especially, is delightful. [15:28] jkwood, on 64? [15:28] rhythmbox requires a ton of gonem deps [15:28] 64-bit with multilib, yes. [15:28] my wine works great [15:28] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [15:28] wow damn [15:28] biker: I do believe I had to convert the seamonkey-solibs package to get it working. [15:28] jkwood, where did you find libnss3.so ? [15:28] ooo ok [15:29] my google earth has issues, but i jnow it's closely related to ati binary drivers [15:29] s/jnow/know/ [15:29] convertpkg-compat32 will do the trick. [15:29] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-3-52.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:29] jkwood: for ati binaries? [15:29] what I don't understand is why most thought on multilib specializes the more future-targeted system ... why are we qualifying lib64, instead of making 64-bit be the default and qualifying lib32 ? [15:29] For Machinarium. [15:30] rk4n3: Gotta have standards. lib64 is the current one. [15:30] Cann0n, well I can install wine and use it,., but with a lot mm (sorry i dont speak english) functions dont working [15:30] oh, yeah, im gonna check into that. looks like a game i'd like [15:30] jkwood: yeah, I agree about standards - I just question how they are arrived at sometimes [15:31] Do note that I had to echo "/usr/lib/seamonkey" >> /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig, though. [15:31] lol ok let me try [15:31] vehn_z (~vehn_z@h62-133-181-57.dyn.bashtel.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:31] rk4n3: They were written with an eye towards 32-bit being the standard. Linux in particular has always been 32-bit, so 64-bit is the new dog. [15:32] i just got my multilib set back up. i'm gonna focus on sbchroot before i deal with 32bit deps [15:32] jkwood, convertpkg-compat32 its for the tar? or the folder ? [15:32] biker: The .txz package [15:33] johnbristol (~johnbrist@cpc3-aztw22-2-0-cust21.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:33] jkwood, where do i find the .txz? =/ [15:33] biker: You're running 13.0 or -current? [15:33] 13.0 jkwood [15:33] antiwire: so i don't need to make modules anymore [15:34] the first time I installed slackware and upgrade to current,., and damn,., a lot of problems :p [15:34] That's correct. [15:34] biker: current is not for people who don't wish to deal with issues [15:34] biker: ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/patches/packages/seamonkey-solibs-2.0.3-i486-1_slack13.0.txz [15:35] Shpamb (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-pssyqrbzslaqerwq) joined ##slackware. [15:35] okok thank you :) [15:35] seamonkey-solibs generally covers 90% of the 32-bit compatibility problems I've seen in my life. [15:35] vehn_z (~vehn_z@h62-133-181-57.dyn.bashtel.ru) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:36] alienBOB might do well to include it in his package set. [15:36] lol [15:36] :O [15:37] ok I installed seamonkey lib :) [15:38] vehn_z (~vehn_z@h62-133-181-57.dyn.bashtel.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:38] Did you catch the part about editing /etc/ld.so.conf? [15:38] this machinarium... it's free? all i'm seeing is "demo" and "free trial" [15:38] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:38] johnbristol (~johnbrist@cpc3-aztw22-2-0-cust21.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [15:39] no [15:39] Cann0n: It's a for-pay game. If you like puzzles and/or point-and-click adventures, it's well worth the money. [15:39] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) joined ##slackware. [15:39] yeah, i got all teh Space Quest and Kings Quest games [15:39] i'd like to get all the Myst games too [15:40] jkwood, no i didnt catch that part =/ well im not compiling the kernel right now [15:40] Cann0n, jkwood , another very good game is world of goo [15:40] Where can find the fonts dir? [15:40] hovercat (1000@r11lt208.net.upc.cz) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:40] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-183-185.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:40] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-183-185.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Changing host [15:40] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [15:40] pandora's box is the best puzzle game, i wish i could find a new version or something like it [15:41] I do like World of Goo, and it also works fine in Multilib. [15:41] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:41] biker: echo "/usr/lib/seamonkey' >> /etc/ld.so.conf [15:41] jkwood, yea, but world of goo has also the 64 -bit game ;) [15:42] Hmm... which one do I have? [15:42] 32-bit, apparently. I should fix that. [15:42] :p [15:42] jkwood, what do I write inside the echo ? [15:43] O.o [15:43] that was the command [15:43] yea [15:43] the quotes are mismatched [15:43] oh [15:43] but when I hit enter, it shows me this: [15:43] > [15:43] spurious ' [15:43] dont use it, use "" [15:44] or dont quote at all [15:44] not needed [15:44] oo okok :p [15:44] Darnit... I knew I'd screw it up. [15:44] lol [15:44] ok I did that :) [15:44] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [15:44] echo /usr/lib/seamonkey >> /etc/ld.so.conf [15:44] There, that will work. [15:44] no, but its a good habit with paths so you don't have unintended consequences [15:44] now run ldconfig [15:44] you could of just edited ld.so.conf [15:44] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:44] i'm still downloading seamonkey... [15:45] k [15:45] ok I did ldconfig :) [15:45] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:45] run ldconfig after seamonkey is installed [15:45] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [15:45] SunTzu, yea done [15:45] wait; why are yo udoing this? [15:46] sure, now you ask [15:46] i dont go through this with sm [15:46] Skywise: Yes, but that's the easy way out for me. [15:46] Axius (~fd@109.97.38.129) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:46] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.2.12.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:46] Axius (~fd@109.97.38.129) joined ##slackware. [15:46] SunTzu: What I'm helping them to do is to add one of the last, essential 32-bit library packages to their multilib install. [15:46] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.104.155) joined ##slackware. [15:47] ahk [15:47] It will let them run almost everything 32-bit out there, at least what I've encountered. Games especially. [15:47] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Quit: /etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start [15:47] Everything seems to depend on libnss3.so [15:47] kk [15:47] jkwood, after ldconfig its over? [15:47] yeah [15:48] hey, uh... what are some other gerat libs for multilib? [15:48] because... i'm on dial up [15:48] jkwood, machinarium now is working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [15:48] i'd rather download them today instead of later when i'm ready to play a game or make some music [15:48] Where can I set a font for the console? [15:48] life is hell [15:48] mirmillo: pkgtool->setup [15:49] Skywise, and hell is life ;) [15:49] Cann0n: one sec [15:49] jkwood, thank you a lot! [15:49] and yea,., what other libs are usefull? :) [15:49] mirmillo: setconsolefont [15:50] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:50] Hmm... Well, that really depends, to be honest. I have a few others that didn't come from alienBOB, but they are for very specialized programs. [15:50] (In other words, I don't have any clue why I have them.) [15:50] ok, thanks [15:51] lol [15:51] johnbristol (~johnbrist@cpc3-aztw22-2-0-cust21.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:51] what about open gl in multilib? [15:51] openGL* [15:51] ooo ok thans :) [15:51] i'm using ati binaries [15:52] multilib sounds like a lot of fun [15:52] MrTopic (~roger@32.Red-79-159-134.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [15:52] Action: thumbs sticks to sw13.0 32bit. [15:52] properly [15:52] I use the nvidia driver, which replaces some of the mesa gl stuff, I believe. [15:53] thumbs: why, 64-bit is so easy to use [15:53] Shpamb: 32bit works well for me. [15:53] but 64bit is faster and takes up more hard drive space [15:53] I've set this font in rc.font and does not work. setfont -v ter-116b [15:53] and the cpus can do 32bit to 64bit optimizations on the fly [15:53] jkwood: yeah, googleearth loads, but doesn't "work" [15:53] For what it's worth, http://slaxer.com/chucks/mycompatpackages.txt is a list of everything I have, but it includes stuff from alienBOB as well. [15:53] I plan to move to Slackware64 when or if it ships stock with multilib [15:54] i wont care about multilib once google earth goes 64bit, and wine has it built in [15:55] google earth is great for killing 2 minutes [15:55] shit, i can kill 5 hours looking for shit [15:55] xearth is good enough for me [15:55] Cann0n, lol xD [15:55] xearth? [15:55] also, did someone could get ettercap running on 64? [15:56] !google xearth [15:56] rv2733 (rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:56] on fedora and mint and here in slack 64 it gives me segmentation fault when I start searching [15:56] the trigger is bing or yahoo [15:57] Action: jkwood investigates getting Google Earth to run [15:57] i had to have my isp block the whole bing bot subnet because they were trying to index every page on my site every 20 secs and their website considers this normal [15:58] biker: when you installe seamonkey, di you get a doinst.sh error? [15:58] s/di/did/ [15:58] Cann0n, where? [15:58] installpkg seamonkey-compat32 [15:58] on line 3 [15:58] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:58] WARNING: Post-installation script failed. (256) [15:58] Cann0n, oo, no =/ [15:58] hmm [15:59] Cann0n, did you conver it ? [15:59] notice the -compat32 lol [15:59] yea sorry xD [15:59] oo yea Cann0n [15:59] Odd. [15:59] why are packages easier again? [15:59] Cann0n, install/doinst.sh: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file [15:59] Axelpalm (alch@78-28-86-146.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [16:00] hmm... the doisnt is what jkwood said to do [16:00] echo sm >> ld.so.conf [16:00] thats paraphrased of course [16:00] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [16:01] tavl_ (~tavl@189.70.131.193) joined ##slackware. [16:01] Axius (~fd@109.97.38.129) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:01] Really? Interesting. [16:01] Axius (~fd@109.97.38.129) joined ##slackware. [16:01] Oh, eth unexpected end of file thing... Yeah. [16:02] lol :p [16:02] but for me works great :D [16:02] Not something to worry about, I don't think, though it my be a bug in compat32-tools. [16:02] ok now the problem is that I dont know if I will boot again :S :p [16:02] jkwood, so I just try restaring? or try the method you told me before restarting? [16:03] the text in console is not colored as it used to be. why? [16:03] Why are we restarting? Did I say to restart? [16:03] well, thats about it. all i gotta do now is get openGL working and setup sbchroot [16:03] and i'll be finished [16:03] jkwood, Im meaing for what I did to the kernel :p [16:03] meaning * [16:04] what method? what are you doing? kernel? i love popcorn [16:04] zed_DX (~kvirc@187.146.91.20) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:05] lol, Cann0n: I compiled a kernel following this: http://slackwiki.org/Kernel26Compilation [16:05] biker: i don't like that page [16:05] dude. [16:05] Cann0n, yea,., thats what jkwood told me :p [16:05] I already told you what to do and I even gave you a written up how to. [16:05] it's great source, but i do things a bit differently [16:05] oo yea antiwire sorry :p [16:05] it was you [16:05] okok :p [16:05] lol [16:06] I misconfussed with jkwood :p [16:06] yea antiwire okok :) [16:06] klaasvakie (~johann@vc-41-26-106-17.umts.vodacom.co.za) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:06] ea_suter (~easuter@clv-186.temp.uevora.pt) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:07] Reinstall the stock kernel packages and setup your initrd if you use one. run lilo and reboot [16:07] start with a working system. [16:07] boy howdy. [16:08] antiwire, in the stock kernel I just run make install ? [16:08] omfg. [16:08] sorry im a noob [16:09] read. my. how. to. [16:09] follow it exactly. [16:09] okok [16:09] its just so he doesn't have to retype what he's already typed again [16:09] biker: [16:09] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/UT1S0542.html [16:09] anyone play quake4 on l inux? [16:09] antiwire: i always get stuck at the part where i need to sacrifice the 42 virgins though... [16:09] god damn it Cann0n [16:09] Shpamb: no but i play nexuiz and oa [16:09] i rape in oa [16:09] http://pastebin.org/118915 [16:09] antiwire: what? lol [16:09] STOP IT. [16:10] seriously. stop! [16:10] Shpamb, openarena and urban terror :) [16:10] Cann0n: im UnnamedPlayer :p [16:10] I can't believe this is still going on. [16:10] antiwire: what? lol [16:10] Cann0n: do you play on ciggaweed? [16:10] man, i hate pastebin.org. i get a popup each time i go there [16:10] _NaCl_ (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [16:10] I wrote that GD how to with extreme verbosity [16:11] _NaCl_ (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Client Quit [16:11] go to pastebin.ca [16:11] antiwire: thats nice. i see that. mine is just a quick kernel mod, not for installing new kernels [16:12] antiwire: do you have that posted on the slackwiki or is it just a txt file on your machine? [16:12] agentc0re: Yes I am a selfish bitch [16:12] antiwire, can I post your tutorial translated to spanish? [16:12] antiwire: lol [16:12] Cann0n: what oa name do you use [16:12] biker: whatever [16:12] ok thanks [16:12] Shpamb: Cann0n [16:12] hmm never seen you [16:13] Shpamb: yeah, i play mornings [16:13] 9AM eastern [16:13] i like nexuiz better though [16:13] its fun for sure, but i cant figure out the weapon names to do my binds [16:14] on oa, i only need the pizza cutter weapon to get first place :C [16:14] lol [16:15] antiwire: sorry for crossing your kernel help. :( [16:15] mines more based on commands rather than script-fu [16:15] i lack script-fu skillz [16:16] mine isn't script fu either, I just provided explanation and comments [16:16] like line 1. probably the most important line in the whole txt [16:17] lol yeah [16:17] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:17] mines intended for personal use. i only shared to show the steps [16:17] yep [16:17] all good [16:17] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [16:17] my script is just one line. i love && [16:17] Cann0n: Google Earth is missing some libs. I'll try to put together a deps list. [16:17] i do it too much [16:18] jkwood: that would be awesome. [16:19] jkwood, cool :) [16:19] too bad we can't !bomb biker in here [16:19] Ah, it's sqlite3. [16:20] antiwire, why? [16:20] just for saying cool? [16:20] because it would hilarious [16:21] Hi. I would like to have bsd-tetris in my Slack system, but I don't find any Slackbuild nor prebuilt package. Anyone here using this game? [16:21] johnbristol (~johnbrist@cpc3-aztw22-2-0-cust21.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:22] today is games day? =/ [16:22] xD [16:22] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-3-52.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:23] MrTopic (~roger@32.Red-79-159-134.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Quit: BitchX: coming soon to a theatre near you! [16:24] Axius (~fd@109.97.38.129) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:24] jkwood: sqlite3 comes with slackware? [16:25] Cann0n: it's a library [16:25] many applications that use it have support coded in [16:25] yeah i know. i have it for 64bit. i'm trying to get it for multilib :) [16:26] ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/slackware/ap/sqlite-3.6.14.2-i486-1.txz for you guys. [16:26] Axius (~fd@92.84.11.151) joined ##slackware. [16:26] ahhhh.... it's in ap [16:26] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-3-44.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:26] I'm trying to convey the point that it isn't an "it", it's an SQL library to work with arbitrary files [16:26] it's not only a library [16:27] Old_Spike0: where do you get the source for bsd-tetris? [16:27] adaptr: have you set up multilib on slack64 [16:27] not had any need to, no [16:27] Cann0n: i do [16:28] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.105.160) joined ##slackware. [16:28] Old_Spike0: http://dl.t2-project.org/source/t2-8.0-rc2.tar.bz2 [16:28] anyone know what causes word wrapping on an ssh client? i'm using windows obviously.. securecrt older version wouldn't wrap but now if i screen in the new one and get out, it starts wrapping [16:28] i've tried stty columns 256 to match it but no go [16:28] use putty [16:28] adaptr: well, 64bit libs don't work a 32bit libs [16:28] the client will tell the ssh server its screen width; use a better client [16:29] but indeed - use putty [16:29] yea i'm thinking about putty but i just like the way securecrt manages [16:29] but im tired of it [16:30] newslacker (~kccopling@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] Shpamb, I was thinking about using a source package from FreeBSD or NetBSD, in case there is nothing 'native' for Slackware. [16:30] Old_Spike0: try to find it...i cant [16:30] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:32] jkwood: nope. GE still glitchy [16:32] _matze (~matze@188-195-140-113-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [16:32] <_matze> re [16:32] Odd. [16:32] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [16:32] is it planned that slackware64 will be multilib by default one day? [16:33] it's a videa issue [16:33] s/videa/ati binary driver/ [16:34] Tusk: one day, there will 32bit will be depricated [16:34] <_matze> hmpf geforce 3ti runs slower then ati rage2c 8mb ... is the nv driver that bad ? [16:34] one day we will all be extinct [16:34] Cann0n: yeah in about 10y from now maybe.... [16:35] oh how i yearn for that day [16:35] chb (~1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:35] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-079.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:35] Tusk: probably sooner. there probably wont be a need for it [16:35] Action: Cann0n cant wait until 128bit [16:36] Cann0n, lol xD [16:36] humans should be sterilized at birth [16:36] Shpamb: agreed [16:36] i don't care to pass on my seed [16:37] Shpamb, and your children too? [16:37] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-079.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:37] actually the 64b need is still low [16:37] eldragon: what children? im already sterilized [16:37] <_matze> 64bit is a hype :o [16:37] hahaha [16:37] jkwood: google doesn't really document well [16:37] _matze: kinda yeah [16:38] still 64b only without multilib is a pita [16:38] kdevelop: symbol lookup error: kdevelop: undefined symbol: foobar. What might be wrong with me home brew install ? [16:38] oh so there are 64-bit issues? [16:38] it's very interesting, 64-bit kernel, 32-bit and 64-bit processes. [16:38] i thought it was all rainbows and gumdrops [16:38] Tusk: based on what, exactly ? [16:38] tavl_ (~tavl@189.70.131.193) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:38] I mean I had doubled the kde packages when building it with difrrent version , but does it matter ? [16:39] adaptr: using 32b only applications [16:39] why would you ? [16:39] using flash for example [16:39] wine for another one [16:39] 32bit cant handle as much memory as 64bit [16:39] no problems with flash [16:39] i'll execute 64-bit processes only by need. [16:39] <_matze> hm how long takes a kde 3.5 build on a Sempron 64 1,6ghz? [16:39] lol [16:39] PAE always enabled. [16:39] _matze: a day [16:40] <_matze> k. i will try [16:40] _matze: depends on -j [16:40] <_matze> highest priority to 2 processes oO [16:40] _matze: dont worry, it will bail right after you go to bed [16:41] once people start using 100+gb of ram, 32bit will be "too old to hold" [16:41] <_matze> remove this ugly kde 4 stuff from my desk and install 3.5 oO [16:41] if the kernel is not 64-bit then there's not forward direction. [16:41] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:41] <_matze> is it possible to have 64bit kernel and 32bit userland ? [16:41] yes _matze [16:41] yep [16:41] Axius (~fd@92.84.11.151) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:41] <_matze> so i can upgrade later without reinstalling [16:41] <_matze> :) [16:41] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:42] your bits will be totally lopsided though [16:42] _matze, but actually, only those multilib OSes are capable of it. [16:42] you wont have the 64bit benefits [16:42] like running 64bit programs as 64bit [16:42] <_matze> so i should use PAE and 32bit kernel ? [16:42] which benefits on a sempron64 1.6Ghz ? [16:42] Oo [16:42] Cann0n, 64bit is for preparatory of newer computers. [16:42] <_matze> not on this machine :) [16:43] it's useful for workstations/servers [16:43] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:43] I don't see the point for desktop use, personally [16:43] <_matze> i want a cheap Athlon II x3/x4, but first i need check how important the l2 cache is [16:43] and slackware64 is useful for these workstations/servers. [16:43] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [16:43] yeah it is. [16:44] cockballs [16:44] yeah, I have normal slack on my laptop (64 bit proc) and slack64 on the workstation [16:44] oops wrong window [16:44] <_matze> currently i see no benefit from upgrading only compile speed will increase if i upgrade :) [16:44] i have Salix64 on this AMD Athlon T-20 [16:44] 64bit [16:44] duuuur [16:44] raela, i slack64 in my desklaptop, for max. coberture of programs. [16:45] eldragon: coberture? [16:45] <_matze> i don`t need 4gb ram :) still only 130mb used here with gnome2 [16:45] it's just a matter of time before 64bit takes over. [16:45] raela, max. scope [16:45] Cann0n: Not publically, perhaps. I'm sure they have bonza docs secreted away, like any successful software company. [16:45] i do slack64 either even if i really don't need it.... it's just kinda a principle to live with my time [16:46] and yeah, ths 64bit laptop (that runs 32bit) is my 'desktop'.. I have an older laptop for traveling and stuff [16:46] pickles are delicious [16:46] i only need 64b on my servers [16:46] i can execute i486 programs and x86-64 programs. [16:46] Cann0n: that's what Intel said about Itanium :) But you're right - though it may be a small window if there is a technology leap that yields cost effective 128bit processors [16:46] _matze: i don't need 2gb. i have yet used it all up, but i can tell a BIG different on a 64bit 1.6GHz with 2GB ram versus a 2.8GHz 32bit with 512MB ram [16:46] lol [16:46] eldragon: I did 64bit for a month before going back to 32.. I had problems with it [16:46] nvidia needs to make some friggin x86 procs [16:46] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.96) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:46] Action: antiwire slaps Cann0n with the obvious stick [16:46] raela, which problems? [16:47] Shpamb: naw - Cyrix is enough extra fluff on the market :) [16:47] and i configured my desklaptop that has 4 GiB of RAM and 16 GiB of swap partition. [16:47] still a bunch of apps not "64b friendly" [16:47] antiwire: well, yeah. 64bit > 32bit. More Ram > Less Ram. [16:47] mysql and pgsql compiled for 64-bit is very important. [16:48] Tusk: hence multilib :) [16:48] everyone paste their free -m|tail -n2|head -n1;ps aux|wc -l [16:48] -/+ buffers/cache: 639 1387 115 [16:48] eldragon: flash wouldn't work anywhere close to properly and I couldn't get stepmania working [16:48] that's why i asked if it] planned to have slack64 multilib as default :) [16:48] eldragon: why do you have 16GB of swap? [16:48] 639mb used with 115 processes [16:49] Cann0n, because i had lot of HDD space. [16:49] Tusk: but that would be slack96 [16:49] -/+ buffers/cache: 562 2191 [16:49] -/+ buffers/cache: 1103 2855 [16:49] <_matze> 40 202 72 [16:49] <_matze> xD [16:49] eldragon: thats just mis-managing your space. i have 2GB and i thing thats way too much [16:49] how many processes guys [16:49] 141 [16:49] <_matze> 72 [16:50] Cann0n, not much if my databases are big. [16:50] nice [16:50] Tusk: what are you running! [16:50] Cann0n: not if you do debugging work and want to be able to examine memory dumps [16:50] _matze: are you on netbook? [16:50] memory usually gets dumped to swap space [16:50] Shpamb: two vservers actually + my DE [16:50] NyteOwl: maybe, but 16GB? [16:50] vservers? [16:51] I have 18gb swap on the workstation.. 8gb ram [16:51] linux vserver [16:51] Cann0n: you dump almsot twice the memory space when you include debugging info [16:51] <_matze> no, currently Celeron 450Mhz, 256Mb Ram, masternode of my 4 node trash cluster [16:51] never heard of linux vserver [16:51] _matze: lol [16:51] 16GB of text is... how may words? [16:51] http://linux-vserver.org/ [16:51] 32 bit words? [16:51] just started playing with psql, too [16:52] NyteOwl: the old rule of thumb used to twice as much ram. [16:52] <_matze> its just 4 fun :) to try out mosix and openssi, and todo some experiments [16:52] but this was back when 256MB was "normal" [16:52] Cann0n: it's 2x ram or ram+2gb if over a certain amount [16:52] Cann0n: yes, and that's why - a core dump is almost twice the space as you have memory [16:52] now at least [16:52] when I looked it up [16:52] I think cutoff was 3gb? [16:52] <_matze> its fast enough to feed the 3 nodes with nfsroot [16:53] blorggggg [16:53] sec0nd_ (coolkehon@bnc2.shellium.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [16:53] init[1] (buffer@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [16:53] If you aren't into debugging that then you don't need that much space. half a gig is mroet han enough [16:53] Shpamb: it's like BSD jails or Solaris Zones [16:53] NyteOwl: but i fail to see how 16 is 2 doubled [16:53] unless you do a lot of memory intensive work and the machine is short of ram [16:53] I only have 3 gb ram/1 gb swap in this laptop [16:53] 4gb [16:53] _matze, soon, i'll manage diskless x86-64 nodes and remote swap partitions, all the complex OS is almost reliable without often out of memory. [16:54] but this laptop doesn't do anything special [16:54] Cann0n: oh I see - sorry 2gb ram then 4gb swap should eb sufficient even with a dump [16:54] hell, my 5 year old laptop works harder than this one [16:54] oobe (proxy@aubry.athnex.com) left irc: Quit: me dont know what this means >>> R [16:54] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:54] NyteOwl: eldragon has 4gb ram and 16GB swap. i mistaked his ram for 2GB [16:54] but still [16:54] Shpamb: so host is slack64 + 2 slack32 guests running [16:54] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:54] thats still double than whats needed [16:54] I have 8GB and 16 GB swap [16:55] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [16:55] i have 2GB mem and 1GB swap [16:55] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:55] <_matze> eldragon: i got my hands on myrinet 2000 atapters :) and a dual p2 board with 2x 400.. i upgrade this thing these days and hope to find a myrinet hub/switch [16:55] Clio (~Clio@nat-84-16-60-38.extel.sk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:55] cmeow (cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:56] but this is a laptop on dial-up. [16:56] myrinet. ohh the memories of junk [16:56] not a server [16:56] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:56] i've never seen any equipment fail so often as myrinet [16:56] <_matze> 2.2gbps :o [16:56] _matze: that's not what's impressive about it. latency is [16:57] <_matze> i think the p2`s and celerons are too slow to handle it [16:57] p2s? of course. your pci bus is too slow [16:57] celerons can take same heat [16:57] <_matze> can`t await until they arive [16:58] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [16:58] these x86-64 nodes maybe ones Atom. [16:58] and sure, you can do ip over them. [16:58] i'm not familiar with myrinet, but i've fried two celeries hopping jumpers [16:58] an array of Atoms. [16:59] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.239) joined ##slackware. [16:59] i'd like a system that uses i7 [16:59] my scheme seems that there's not very limited, and very transparent for running any process in any machine. [17:00] using few resources. [17:00] <_matze> eldragon: what do you run ? mosix ? openssi? mpich ? [17:00] _matze, mpich + socket + mail [17:01] here's the var/log/package/my_build of kdevelop http://pastebin.com/rcEg7jJY which one is the binary ? [17:01] <_matze> on mini-itx.com is a cluster made of via c3`s running freebsd [17:01] paul424: the ones in /bin? [17:01] mosix is dead. so is openssi. if you're going to do mpi, mind as well use openmpi. mpich1 is antique [17:01] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:01] <_matze> Linux fallout 2.6.32.3-mosix-smp [17:02] <_matze> not dead [17:02] well, openmosix is dead. not sure if they continued it commercially [17:02] ananke, there's one french SSI. [17:02] paul424: why do you need kdev? [17:02] <_matze> just commercial for now... free 6 node license is avaible [17:02] <_matze> s/license/version [17:02] i don't remember its name [17:02] uhh I need a decent IDE for linux ? [17:02] anjuta? [17:03] oh wait VIM! [17:03] kerri..? [17:03] eclipse? [17:03] vim vim vim [17:03] AEMACS [17:03] wonder how expensive it is. we're looking at a 'real' SSI solution from sgi right now. [17:03] <_matze> gvim [17:03] -A [17:03] paul424: *why?* [17:03] gvim gvim gvim [17:03] Eclipse is one of the best actual IDEs on Linux. You can get by with it in vim if you get good enough, though. =) [17:03] Kdevelop is nice, as welll. [17:03] nice but not decent [17:03] paul424: i only ask because if you can't identify binaries that you compile, i'm only wondering what you will be making [17:04] cake ? [17:04] ananke, what about PVM? is not there PVM for x86-64? [17:04] hi [17:04] <_matze> there are manycore cpu`s running linux :) some day this will replace a whole cluster oO [17:04] ohh neat, mosix is free for faculty/researchers [17:05] i am upgradeing my slackware 13.0 to 2.6.33 . So I downloaded the kernel files from /slackware-current/slackware/a and k directories and installed them. After reboot everything seems fine but my splashy boot image is gone no splashy at all :( [17:05] eldragon: haven't heard anything regarding pvm in years. [17:05] PVM seems easier than MPI, but PVM for 64-bit is not implemented yet. [17:05] I have several middle-sized projects to be build in c++ [17:05] <_matze> i installed mpich2 but right now need to setup it to try out mpi john [17:05] paul424: you scare me. [17:05] _matze: why not openmpi? [17:06] <_matze> openmpi exists ? [17:06] <_matze> : [17:06] very much so [17:06] <_matze> is it combatible ? [17:06] there's a reason i don't build software. i'm a lazy typer [17:06] now, the idea of mpi john is odd, considering there is little actuall need for interprocess communication [17:06] _matze: yes [17:07] typist [17:07] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] _matze: with mpi-2 that is. [17:07] with an array of atoms, i avoid to buy an array of HDDs, i can't sum the HDDs's costs. [17:07] matze yes but slow compared with mvapich [17:08] johnbristol (~johnbrist@cpc3-aztw22-2-0-cust21.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:09] e.g. 10x 120eur/node = 1200 eur for this array of 10 atoms w/ ram and supply. [17:09] <_matze> picopsu`s ? [17:09] Boy, Google Earth just isn't what I remembered. [17:09] it's all an aproximation. [17:09] <_matze> how you made power distribution ? [17:09] _matze, no, one supply for each 3 atoms. [17:09] eldragon: any particular reason you're clustering atoms for? [17:09] <_matze> just use y cables ? [17:09] jkwood: the planet got smaller?? [17:10] ananke, yes, for simulations under this configuration. [17:10] <_matze> i tried using one ATX powersupply but it sucks [17:10] johnbristol: A lot of the standard map features are gone. Labels on rivers, for one thing (trying to trace the Grand Canyon, it's not trivial.) [17:10] Prefect (~Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [17:10] babai (~babai@115.187.56.162) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:11] <_matze> so i was thinking of picopsu`s connected to 12v source [17:11] and for try to do work the configuration of this cluster. [17:11] <_matze> but they expensive 50-60 euro/piece [17:12] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [17:12] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [17:13] anyone uses checkinstall ? I got : Creating package tmpkdev-20100320-i386-1... FAILED! mv: cannot stat `tmpkdev-20100320-i386-1.tgz': No such file or directory [17:13] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [17:13] my idea is try to work the COW of pages among these nodes and the central workstation. [17:13] I mean should I touch this file before running checkinstall ? [17:13] paul424, why don't you use the slackbuild ? kdevelop is already a standard slackware package [17:14] <_matze> eldragon: what does that mean ? [17:14] <_matze> COW of pages [17:14] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [17:14] _matze, Copy-On-Write [17:14] <_matze> ok :) [17:14] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [17:14] thrice`: yeah the beta 7 and I need beta 9 :) [17:15] paul424, exactly [17:15] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] <_matze> i just thinked *mooo* [17:15] pickles are delicious [17:15] paul424, http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware64-13.0/source/kde/kdevelop/ [17:16] paul424: if you are programing shit, why not make your own slackbuild? [17:16] the only thing you probably need to change is the local.options [17:16] if each node does a fork from the workstation's process, the image is replicated to the diskless node only by demand. [17:16] <_matze> i just thinked *mooo* ^5 i like this! [17:16] Tusk (Tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:16] Tusk (~Tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [17:17] omerta (~omerta@88.252.108.170) joined ##slackware. [17:18] <_matze> k [17:18] yes [17:18] hi guys, i'm new to slack, just installed 64-bit version :) [17:19] <_matze> i need a faster netboot server, and add more nodes [17:19] omerta: are you new to 64 bit? [17:19] i used ubuntu x64 for a while [17:19] ... [17:19] be prepared... slackware won't hold your hand [17:19] yeah i know that :) [17:20] <_matze> no gui install at all [17:20] what about jdk and matlab? [17:20] omerta: did you read the slackbook? [17:20] omerta: what about them? [17:21] <_matze> matlab should run on mosix [17:21] i took a look at [17:21] <_matze> ah sry :) [17:21] they have scripts [17:21] runs with gui [17:21] i mean installs with gui [17:22] ubuntu relies on heavy guis. slackware doesnt. just understand that [17:22] <_matze> hm does gui not mean graphical user interface ? [17:23] btw getting a static ip on a linux distro was a nightmare for me but i did it on slack in no time during installation [17:23] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:23] _matze: yeah, but i think he means fancy point and clicks to install things [17:23] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [17:24] omerta, great :) welcome [17:24] yeah i know cann0n that's why i got rid of ubuntu [17:24] thank you :) [17:24] <_matze> on Suse 8.x or 9.x you could play tetris while you install it ... [17:25] Cann0n: I am a begginning programming shit :P [17:26] you're programming shit?! :) [17:26] technically you cant do that [17:26] paul424: read more documents. :) you are struggling on very basic stuff even i know lol [17:26] :)) [17:26] hitest everything needs programming, it's a dirty job but somebody's gotta do it! :P [17:26] _matze: didn't know that. i like games-while-you-wait [17:27] _matze: it'd be nice to play pong while waiting for a kernel to finish [17:27] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.2.12.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:27] <_matze> i don`t like to play pong for hours [17:28] matze if your clustering why not use distcc [17:28] <_matze> just use make -j [17:28] <_matze> mosrun make -j [17:29] okay or that [17:29] i use -j7 [17:30] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:31] Cann0n: ok something is going on .. uhh that script would recognize my platform ... as the script is from /slackware64something slackbuild repository ? [17:31] <_matze> but it can be that distcc is faster .. have not yet tested it [17:31] <_matze> but distcc is fast to setup [17:32] <_matze> can you mix platforms ? [17:33] yes but you have to set up cross compile correctly [17:33] paul424: http://sweet.nodns4.us/ http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [17:34] paul424, people have explained it multiple times now. use Pat's slackbuild, change 1 variable, and run it. It can't be describd any simpler - if you don't follow, then start reading ^^ links [17:34] zed_DX (~kvirc@187.146.91.20) joined ##slackware. [17:35] biker (~biker@201.170.194.202.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:35] ok ok [17:35] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [17:35] <_matze> why cook if you can get fastfood [17:35] <_matze> ... [17:35] why live if you can kill yourself [17:35] bcause fast food makes you fat and ugly [17:36] Action: jkwood coughs [17:36] hey, i ate 3 cheese burgers today from BK [17:36] unless it's japanese fast food [17:36] Delahunt: agreed [17:36] that's not exactly "fast" [17:36] <_matze> irony.. [17:36] yup, just look at the SUmo's :p [17:36] i'm in japan, it's fast [17:37] from scratch ? really ? [17:37] Eating without regard for your metabolism, etc makes you fat (and, perhaps, ugly.) [17:37] no dangit they sell it at the convenience stores [17:37] it was from scratch, but you can go buy it and eat it [17:37] hence it's fast food [17:37] Fast food is just an easy culprit. [17:37] A delicious, delicious culprit. [17:38] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:39] dunix (dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left ##slackware ("\o\ /o/ \o/"). [17:39] jkwood: yep, but us Amerikins love that extra slice of cheese on everything :) [17:39] Action: jkwood has a very forgiving metabolism [17:39] <_matze> i like bavarian leberkäse :) [17:39] i skated 10 miles yesterday, so i'm good lol [17:40] Action: Cann0n jumps to offtopic [17:40] <_matze> %) [17:41] guys will "slackpkg update" update to slackware current? [17:41] no [17:41] ok thanks [17:42] slackpkg update simply checks for different packages in the current version branch you're using. [17:42] man slackpkg [17:42] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:43] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427609.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [17:43] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [17:43] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427609.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:45] macxsystems (~macxsyste@200.117.246.95) left irc: Quit: macxsystems [17:46] righteous (~righteous@pool-72-65-105-88.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] pipes (~pipes@freedomisnothingtofear.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:47] does anyone remember that app that is a tiny local irc server that integrates with various IM services, like aim, yahoo, icq, gchat; you connect to localhost with an irc client to go on aim? [17:47] what was that called? [17:47] bitlbee? [17:47] ytalk? [17:47] thank you jkwood [17:47] Action: Delahunt has no clue [17:47] sec0nd_ (coolkehon@bnc2.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [17:48] jkwood, any idea of a windows equivelant so I don't have to build a second box? [17:49] (so offtopic here, sorry) [17:49] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-079.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:49] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-079.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [17:49] http://www.bitlbee.org/main.php/win32.html ? [17:50] ive been told its extraordinarily unstable [17:50] I don't personally use bitlbee, I prefer to keep my im programs separate, sorry. [17:51] sec0nd_ (coolkehon@bnc2.shellium.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:51] jkwood, primary reason is to integrate TTY services with IRC so I can place phone calls as necessary (lol) [17:52] I'll see what I can find, but in the meantime, http://www.computerpowertest.com/ [17:52] biker (~c9aac2ca@gateway/web/freenode/x-itummujlnuverjya) joined ##slackware. [17:52] hi [17:52] Im trying to install the nvidia driver for the new kernel [17:53] jkwood, kk ty [17:53] but when I try to install it, it tells me it cant find the kernel source [17:53] <_matze> then install it [17:53] where is the kernel source ? =/ [17:53] biker: on -current? [17:53] zaltekk: nop, 13.0 [17:54] biker: a kernel older than 2.6.33? [17:54] I just compiled kernel 2.6.33.1 [17:54] <_matze> then symlink it to /usr/src/linux ? [17:54] biker: okay. then you need to patch the nvidia drivers for them to work with the new kernel [17:55] no you dont. just get the latest beta [17:55] that is the newest stable release [17:55] _matze: yea [17:55] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [17:55] <_matze> (i mean the source) [17:56] _matze: yea, I created a symbolik link to the kernel source, it is /usr/src/linux [17:56] zaltekk: how do I patch them? [17:56] biker: http://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=221145 [17:56] will removepkg remove all the files including configuration files? [17:56] Guest33067 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [17:56] save that as blah.patch [17:56] Hmm... I don't see any equivalents to bitlbee at all. [17:57] It appears to be a unique snowflake. [17:57] then biker then ./NVIDIA-*.run --apply-patch blah.patch [17:57] biker: it will create NVIDIA-*-custom.run, which will install properly [17:57] zaltekk: why not use the latest driver instead? [17:58] zaltekk: ok thank you let me try it :)} [17:58] sahk0: I have the latest stable driver [17:58] sahk0: as of a day or two ago, the latest driver still didn't work [17:58] the latest beta works fine in 2.6.33 without patchees [17:58] sahk0: i'd rather use the patch than a beta [17:59] nick4 (~fffeop@62.1.63.4) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:59] Nvidia betas are kind of like Adobe betas: Just as good as, if not better than, the release stuff. [18:00] jkwood, im probably better off building a local slack server out of spare parts with just a keyboard and a monitor, and using that as a call system [18:00] sahk0: a very recent driver that was released was found to run the fans too slowly and overheat cards, and nvidia had to cancel the distribution of the driver [18:00] guys does removepkg removes everything including configuration files? does it keep anything in the system that belongs to the application? [18:00] Possibly. ITt shouldn't take much. [18:00] newslacker (~kccopling@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:00] omerta: i believe it leaves modified files, and any files created that weren't part of the package. [18:00] just need to find a fan for the processor [18:00] jkwood: so you recommend me downloading the latest beta nvidia driver? [18:00] im sure i have one somewhere [18:00] zaltekk: thats an old beta. plus that wasnt the case on all chips and verified only on windows [18:00] configuration files I believe may be left behind [18:01] mmm thanks guys, i guess i'll track them [18:01] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:01] sahk0: all the same, it is better to use stable drivers than beta drivers [18:01] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-219.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:01] newslacker1 (~root@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] newslacker1 (root@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware. [18:02] I recommend doing whatever you like. My advice comes with this license: http://slaxer.com/chucks/LICENSE.advice [18:03] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:03] lol [18:04] The "above email address" mentioned above can be found plastered all over the scripts on my site. [18:04] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [18:04] okok :P [18:04] jkwood: and whats your site? [18:04] jkwood.com? [18:04] http://slaxer.com [18:05] ok thanks [18:05] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.239) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:05] mr-S^b43 (~sven@cc940512-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:05] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.105.160) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [18:06] qneo (knao@adsl-d12.84-47-86.t-com.sk) left ##slackware ("good night"). [18:11] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [18:11] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:15] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-079.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:17] <_matze> gn8 [18:17] _matze (~matze@188-195-140-113-dynip.superkabel.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:17] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.104.155) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:18] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:18] vehn_z (~vehn_z@h62-133-181-57.dyn.bashtel.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:19] biker (~c9aac2ca@gateway/web/freenode/x-itummujlnuverjya) left irc: Quit: Page closed [18:19] biker (~biker@201.170.194.202.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [18:19] ok thank you :) [18:19] now I sucessfully compiled my first kernel :D [18:20] biker: what kind of bicycle do you ride? [18:20] sahk0, road bike :) [18:20] also track and TT [18:20] the ones with the thin tires? [18:20] Gold Wing [18:20] sahk0, lol yea [18:20] Until I got married [18:20] with the curvy handles? [18:21] sahk0, yea [18:21] i ride a huffy [18:21] lol nice :p [18:21] actually i lied. i skate [18:21] haha [18:21] Cann0n, do you compite or just street skate? [18:21] i'd LOVE to go comp, but only for downhill racing [18:22] lol :p [18:22] i don't car for kick-flippery. i like speed [18:22] but the fun is going up the kill :p [18:22] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:22] the hill * [18:23] lol, well worth it. i never skate down a hill i don't walk up [18:23] once, i hit a patch of gravel while riding about 35mph on a shortboard with 58mm 98a wheels [18:24] with no pads [18:24] tobyl (~tobyl@host81-155-188-161.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [18:24] alphad_ (~alphad@41.207.31.250) joined ##slackware. [18:24] alphad (~quassel@41.207.31.250) joined ##slackware. [18:25] biker: http://i42.tinypic.com/2a828oh.jpg [18:26] Zordrak: ping [18:26] hello happy people [18:26] new shoes. WOOT! [18:27] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [18:27] Cann0n, well,., once I fell down of the bike going down a hill at 50 mph [18:27] :p [18:27] Cann0n, cool picture! [18:27] brklynRednek, zup buddy :) [18:29] biker: not much [18:30] biker: hey, i do some 'cross the usual road rides [18:30] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:30] *and [18:30] trhodes, cool! :) [18:31] not my bicyclists in my corner of the world [18:31] *many [18:31] yeah, i don't think i've hit 50mph yet. my radar gun is busted. once i stood up out of my tuck and lost control at about 40mph. i was wearing full gear minus leathers [18:31] http://i40.tinypic.com/aemeee.jpg [18:31] check those out. [18:32] Cann0n, lol :p [18:32] :) [18:32] Cann0n, wow pretty cool skateboards! [18:32] I just have one but long time ago I dont ride it :p [18:32] still want it? [18:33] Cann0n, mm i think not,., I like more my bike :p [18:33] sell it for 20 bucks + shipping? [18:34] to whom? xD [18:34] i dont know if someone would like it :p [18:34] alphad (~quassel@41.207.31.250) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:34] its and old cheap skateboard with a pokemon drawing on the side [18:34] :p [18:34] alphad_ (~alphad@41.207.31.250) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:35] prof Wirth died y2002? [18:38] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving... [18:39] SkyNet_ONE (~Ederson@187.35.199.18) joined ##slackware. [18:42] no one remembers who Wirth was? [18:42] that sux [18:44] some people called him by value [18:44] others by name [18:44] tyvm :) [18:45] and the drowning of the Pascal programmer; do you remember the method of drowning? [18:45] lol [18:45] no :) [18:45] i'll grieve for his passing belatedly 24h. [18:46] the programmer drowned why applying railroad track semantics while reading the shampoo bottle: Lather, rinse, repeat. [18:46] rofl [18:46] SunTzu, who was him? [18:46] oo okok [18:46] :) [18:46] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [18:47] Nick Wirth, .euian professor of computer science; definer of the Pascal family of languages: Module, Modula-2, oberon [18:47] my first uni computer class, i tried to apply c-style coding habits to pascal and the mainframe compiler barfed on my code. [18:47] pop( push(1)) [18:47] lol [18:48] then the first coding assignment in cis105 (or someth) was doing the statistical mode and mean of a list of numbers [18:48] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) joined ##slackware. [18:48] but I never took stats so I was stuck and looking at the classmates' code was no help whatsoever [18:49] there were a hundred vars al over the place and FSM woulda been proud [18:49] zaltekk (~zaltekk@kennethbrown.me) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:49] so, after figering out what mode and mean meant i wrote elegant procedures for both on 2 pages of joined printer paper [18:49] the professor announced in class that my code was the tightest and best ni the class. [18:49] i blushed. [18:50] lol [18:50] i already new forth at the time, so that's where the elegence game from. [18:50] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.66.128) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:50] good days [18:51] SkyNet_ONE (~Ederson@187.35.199.18) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [18:52] and now for something completely relevant: what should you do when completely surrounded by enemies on inferior terrain ? [18:52] install slackware [18:53] no water? [18:53] adaptr: Orbital nukes. It's the only way to be sure. [18:53] lol [18:53] question: if i ran dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb and /dev/sdb did not exist (only /dev/sda) where did those bytes go? [18:53] I was expecting wisdom from the 2400-year-dead stratagist [18:53] get the holy handgrenade of antioch [18:53] lemme ponder [18:53] Delahunt: /dev/null? [18:53] there's no node [18:53] Delahunt: that's metaphysics [18:53] i wouldnt be in such a situation; i'd already have defeated him by negotiable instruments!!! [18:53] rofl [18:53] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:54] Delahunt to a file in /dev [18:54] plain file [18:54] haha duh [18:54] been there, done that. :) [18:54] experience knows [18:54] :) [18:54] well last time this happened it was because a usb stick did not "materialize" as /dev/sdb when inserted and yet with i killed dd with control+C it said 171mb/sec (same as a usb stick) [18:54] omerta (~omerta@88.252.108.170) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:55] jkwood: you work for James Cameron, right ? [18:55] adaptr SunTzu, after arriving at the rim of that valley never would have descended. your proposal is mov ab initio :) [18:55] and that may have also been the day that i lost everything on my hard drive but i'm not sure (the hard drive was /dev/sda) [18:55] the worst that could have happened is filling it up [18:55] Delahunt see proc/part* [18:55] If I said yes, would you send me money? [18:56] SunTzu, ? [18:56] Delahunt see /proc/part[tab] [18:56] Delahunt: may want to pay closer attention from now on [18:56] Delahunt: if you haven't rebooted the data is still available in the inodes [18:56] bah i'm human, i can't fix that [18:56] jkwood: of course not, his global masturbation epic made him billions - I presume he gave you $5 already [18:56] mrselfpwn, which mens? [18:56] er means? [18:56] Delahunt: you can you grep to retrieve it [18:56] grep what? [18:56] or just cat [18:56] grep this [18:57] there is a guide on the interwebs about it [18:57] i do not recall by heart [18:57] just don't reboot. ;) [18:57] recovering data with grep should give the results [18:57] bleh i updated my backups last night and almost nothing has changed, i'll be ok i think [18:58] yeah, unfortunetly when I found that inormation I had already rebooted my system at the time. :/ [18:59] I also think a program still has to be accessing the information so it's highly circumstantial. [18:59] well like i said, /dev/sdb did not exist but i don't know if that was how it happened last time [18:59] i may have fat fingered sda last time but i doubt it [18:59] zaltekk (~zaltekk@kennethbrown.me) joined ##slackware. [19:00] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:01] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-80-163.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. 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[19:10] ls -l /dev/sdb - if it doesn't begin with b (line brw-rw----), then it's not a proper drive file [19:11] block device entry [19:12] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) left irc: Disconnected by services [19:12] Nick change: brokedown_ -> brokedown [19:13] neonflux (~neonflux@ip67-152-80-237.z80-152-67.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [19:14] DURgod (~DURgod@24-236-174-174.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) got netsplit. [19:14] Evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) got netsplit. [19:14] laj (~laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) got netsplit. [19:14] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) got netsplit. [19:14] Torrentow (~rafalkraw@klatka.org) got netsplit. [19:14] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) got netsplit. [19:14] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) got netsplit. [19:14] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) got netsplit. [19:14] sitwon (~adam@pool-173-79-69-200.washdc.fios.verizon.net) got netsplit. [19:14] but if /dev/sdb exists but is not a drive then where do the bytes go? [19:15] what does ls -l /dev/sdb show? [19:16] all over your floor, your gonna be vaccuming for days [19:16] too late, it already points to a device [19:16] if you sent bytes to /dev/sdb and it was NOT a valid block device, then you may have overwritten it and created a normal file [19:16] Nick change: Torrento1 -> Torrentow [19:16] Possible future nick collision: Torrentow [19:16] ok well then nevermind [19:17] and writing bytes to /dev/sdb will basically start writing at block 0 - think about that one :) [19:17] if it's a valid drive [19:17] well i rebooted the machine and windows and LILO work so i should be good [19:20] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) got lost in the net-split. [19:20] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) got lost in the net-split. [19:20] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) got lost in the net-split. [19:20] sitwon (~adam@pool-173-79-69-200.washdc.fios.verizon.net) got lost in the net-split. [19:20] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) got lost in the net-split. [19:20] laj (~laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) got lost in the net-split. [19:20] Evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) got lost in the net-split. [19:20] DURgod (~DURgod@24-236-174-174.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) got lost in the net-split. [19:20] whatev3r (~skmpz@88.218.222.224) joined ##slackware. [19:20] anybody here to help ? [19:20] Help what? [19:21] having a problem in slackware [19:21] so we have to guess the problem too? [19:21] is it with Xorg? or wifi? [19:21] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:21] DURgod (~DURgod@24-236-174-174.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:22] whatev3r, just mention your problem [19:22] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [19:22] when i use init 1 a multiple colour screen comes up full of 99999AAAAABBBBB .. [19:22] and i have to reboot :S [19:22] i tried that to setup nvidia drivers [19:23] p0fk (1000@pc-71-90-164-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [19:24] BLorG [19:24] Shpamb (189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-pssyqrbzslaqerwq) left ##slackware. [19:24] that guy can't spell anything right [19:25] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:25] ? [19:25] whatev3r: Perhaps telinit 1 is what you're looking for? I've never tried init 1. [19:25] tried that.. same problem [19:25] Skywise, surely they can at least spell their name right [19:25] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [19:25] grissiom (~grissiom@221.221.27.146) joined ##slackware. [19:26] johnbristol (~johnbrist@cpc3-aztw22-2-0-cust21.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:27] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-173.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:27] Guest33067 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [19:28] hablan espa;ol?? [19:28] talk about spelling .... :) [19:28] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:28] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [19:28] init[1] (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [19:28] Nick change: init[1] -> Guest22258 [19:29] i new user slackware [19:29] any solution ? [19:29] p0fk, hola [19:29] ee [19:29] ke onda p0fk [19:29] nose hablar ingles xd [19:29] jajaja no te preocupes [19:29] hola biker [19:30] necesito configurar el teclado [19:30] >S [19:30] p0fk, hay un channel de slackware en español [19:30] entra ahi [19:30] #slackware-es [19:30] vale [19:30] biker: Thanks, I couldn't remember it. =) [19:30] jkwood, lol :P [19:31] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:31] Evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [19:31] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:31] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [19:31] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [19:43] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:46] Fleurety (~fleurety@93.186.164.51) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:47] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.91.251) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:47] ok how to build gdb 7? [19:47] Fleurety (~fleurety@93.186.164.51) joined ##slackware. [19:48] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.107.54) joined ##slackware. [19:48] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Changing host [19:48] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [19:49] johnbristol (~johnbrist@cpc3-aztw22-2-0-cust21.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [19:51] Fleurety (~fleurety@93.186.164.51) left irc: Excess Flood [19:53] p0fk (1000@pc-71-90-164-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [19:54] uhh did I get kicked or ignored by 99% users ? [19:54] Yes. [19:54] Fleurety (~fleurety@93.186.164.51) joined ##slackware. [19:54] Try reconnecting. [19:55] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [19:55] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: d ä_å b [19:55] *FACEPALM* [19:55] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:56] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:58] jkwood, i think that ilustrate well what you think [19:58] http://jenden.us/storage/JD/img/double_facepalm.jpg [19:59] whatev3r (~skmpz@88.218.222.224) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:00] hmm ? nothing changed [20:00] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:01] paul424: I was kidding with you. [20:01] Is there a particular reason you're wanting GDB 7? [20:01] err kdevelop beta 9 uses it :) [20:02] Odd. [20:02] jkwood, that was mean. [20:03] Greplicate (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-ackaixkhkjsjzthj) joined ##slackware. [20:03] characterized by malice; "a hateful thing to do"; "in a mean mood" [20:03] I wasn't trying to be mean, I was being ironic. [20:04] jkwood: troll! [20:04] peacedog (~peacedog@pool-71-254-81-30.lyncva.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [20:04] har (~AndChat@32.169.73.70) joined ##slackware. [20:05] hey, i'll preface with, "I know this is an icky thing to ask here", but has anybody actually used monodevelop here ? [20:06] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:07] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:07] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [20:07] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [20:07] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [20:07] hallo o/ [20:07] johnbristol (~johnbrist@cpc3-aztw22-2-0-cust21.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:08] jd: ur ip is showing [20:08] trhodes: Not in a long time. I think I spent so much time getting it built, I forgot to use it when it did. [20:08] gosh, i'm helping someone try to get it working, and now i'm farting around trying to understand some "global assembly cache" and getting nowhere :/ [20:09] paul424: If I were building gdb, I'd start with Pat's SlackBuild and work from there. [20:11] jescis (~irchon@166.137.8.56) joined ##slackware. [20:12] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:13] Nick change: mikee -> mfreenet [20:15] http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/slackware/slackware_source/ what does those letters stands for ? like n ... it does not resemble anything useful ... [20:17] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [20:17] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@95.69.72.96) joined ##slackware. [20:17] paul424, n for networ [20:17] network [20:19] a/ = base package (disk layout and base packages [20:19] /b/ makes more sense [20:19] ap/ = extra base packages [20:19] d/ = development [20:19] e/ = emacs [20:19] makes sense when you consider sorting though [20:19] f/ = faq's and howto's [20:19] k/ = kernel [20:19] ahh I see thanks :( [20:20] s/ = stfu [20:20] :) [20:20] Greplicate, its called a to be considered first [20:20] kde/ + kdei/ = kde stuff (kdei = international packages for kde) [20:20] l/ = libraries [20:20] guax: yeah and b/ wouldnt be first if it was b? [20:20] n/ = networking packages [20:20] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-26-111.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:20] oh ap........DAMN YOU PAT [20:20] t/ = tetex/ transfig/ xfig/ [20:21] Greplicate, no, you have ap [20:21] tcl/ = tcl language (used by several other packages) [20:21] x/ = base X package (x server and a few other things) [20:21] pronounced tickle [20:21] xap/ = programs that require X [20:21] y/ = games and extra stuff (like fortune) [20:22] Greplicate, the great usefulness of it is to exclude x, xap, kde, kdei from servers and stuff [20:22] that's where tagfiles come in play :) [20:22] fortune is aways necessary in a server =P [20:22] jeagoss (jef@173.172.195.32) joined ##slackware. [20:22] fortune is necessary for _every_ installation [20:22] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:22] how dare you! you will call him Mr. Patrick ;) [20:22] :) [20:22] indeed [20:22] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-173.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:22] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [20:22] fortune -a -e [20:23] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [20:23] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:23] or - make your own fortune dat file even [20:23] I'm thinking on making one of TS quotes from customers for the office :) [20:23] Greplicate, i dont like to spoil, still have surprises on logins =P [20:24] when i login it says YOU SUCK ASSBALLS [20:24] and im like wtf bro [20:24] jescis (~irchon@166.137.8.56) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:24] Smart program. [20:24] you mad [20:24] Segmentation fault is another good one [20:24] so's the shutdown one [20:25] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-26-149.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:25] jkwood: not that smart... [20:25] it would say PENISBALLS if it were smart [20:26] user_ (~user@bzq-84-109-223-222.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [20:26] it just wants you to THINK it's not smart :) [20:26] I need help with start-stop-deamon [20:26] daemon [20:26] Nick change: user_ -> citylights2 [20:26] fortune fails the turing test [20:27] fortune is not a turing test anyway [20:27] citylights2, what's the problem [20:27] epic fail too since its not hard to fool humans who assume they are intelligent [20:27] when I run it I suppl a pid option ye I get already running. [20:28] how to tell it to stick with the pid and not the name? [20:28] you don't supply pid - it gets the pid from the system when it starts [20:28] I do intend to run two sesions of udhcpc [20:28] are you trying to start/stop a daemon ? [20:28] citylights2: you're not even running SLackware [20:28] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-26-111.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:28] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [20:29] I meant I add --pidfile=/var/run/ovpn.tap0.pid [20:29] even if you were, why do you want to run two instances of it? [20:29] openvpn creates it's own pid file, so why do you want to change it? [20:29] one udhcpc is for wlan0 another for tap0 [20:30] alisonken1home: I dont want to change it, I want to pass it to start-stop-deamon [20:30] did you try "man udhcpc" ? [20:31] alisonken1home: yes and I use the --pidfile option [20:31] wait [20:31] do you mean I dont need to add it to start-stop-deamon? [20:31] no - it has a default pid file it uses [20:31] o ok then let me see [20:32] however, did you read about udhcpc and see if it already listens on all interfaces, or only one at a time? [20:32] jspider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-3-97.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:32] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-93-147.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:32] mariocki (~mariocki@cpc4-bagu10-0-0-cust675.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [20:32] but then whenI want to issue stop - how does the deamon knows which udhcpc to kill? [20:33] and why would you want to run udhcpc, since it's for embedded systems? [20:33] alisonken1home: one instance that runs listens onlu to wlan0 [20:33] I am reffering to the Nokia N900 [20:34] but you are very helpfull [20:34] ok - that's not a slackware distro, so you may want to find the n900 channel [20:34] mariocki (mariocki@cpc4-bagu10-0-0-cust675.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left ##slackware. [20:34] right [20:34] but in that channel ppl arent helppfull [20:35] as far as how the daemon knows, the start/stop script looks for the default pid file (among other things) to see what the current process is [20:35] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:36] tzanger (~tzanger@gromit.mixdown.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:36] good evening [20:36] running an old 10.1 system that I've upgraded the kernel to 2.6.32 from kernel.org [20:36] I'm having an issue with nothing working because it can't find pseudo terminals [20:36] har (~AndChat@32.169.73.70) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:36] That is some kind of epic. [20:37] I *do* have pseudo terminal support compiled in [20:37] always have, in fact [20:37] but init won't work, sshd can't grab a ptty... not sure what's happenning or why [20:37] what's some kind of epic, slack 10.1? [20:37] my main server is 10.0 [20:37] and I have a 9.something server hanging out somewhere too [20:38] tzanger: did you compile your own kernel? [20:38] :/ putty isn't as 31337 as securecrt [20:38] i love them tabs [20:38] windows is for faggots [20:38] oops wrong window [20:38] lol [20:38] anyway [20:39] securecrt... bah [20:39] Action: alienBOB feeds Greplicate to the faggots [20:39] Let them have some fun [20:39] tzanger: did you use the .config from slackware 13 or 12.2 for your base ? [20:40] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-26-149.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: arr! [20:40] tzanger: i suggest you use the old kernel until you figure out how to compile your own kernel for slackware properly [20:42] alisonken1home: I dropped the pid line yet it still yells already running. [20:42] citylights2: /var/lock ? [20:43] citylights2, look at udhcpc option to tell it which _interface_ to listen on, not which pid file to use [20:44] Greplicate: /var/lock is free [20:44] gtg my friends! [20:44] seeya [20:44] Greplicate (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-ackaixkhkjsjzthj) left irc: Quit: :D [20:44] alisonken1home: Iam using the -i tap0 option [20:45] if I run the deamon with its arguments from the command line -it does work [20:45] so my only issue is with that start-stop thing [20:45] teckan (~teckan@bl6-127-150.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:46] ok - then you have to work with the n900 people on that one since the n900 is not slackware related [20:46] Immundus (~obi@g225060012.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: when in trouble when in doubt run in circles scream and shout [20:46] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [20:46] is that maemo or something ? [20:47] maemo 5 is the default according to wikipedia [20:47] ahh, i guess I could have looked it up :P [20:48] alisonken1home, worse than that. maemo is debian based [20:48] =/ [20:49] http://dpaste.com/174154/ [20:49] damn,., qt has more than half-hour compiling :p [20:50] biker: qt is huge. [20:50] used -jN ? [20:50] That is not unexpected. [20:50] according to that script, the call to it is " start " [20:50] my core2duo takes ~1 hour to compile qt [20:50] NaCl, yeaa =/ :p [20:50] IOW - don't use things like '-i" [20:51] then Ill compile the whole kde [20:51] why? [20:51] because it's there. [20:51] j/k [20:51] if you want other options, you would pass them as "DAEMON_OPTS= '.....' start '" [20:51] citylights2, ^^^^ [20:52] but also, that script already does that [20:52] har (~AndChat@32.132.107.33) joined ##slackware. [20:52] citylights2, so you would call it twice: [20:53] start tap0 [20:53] start wlan0 [20:57] har (~AndChat@32.132.107.33) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:59] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:59] echtts (~echtts@201-95-183-28.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:00] heh [21:00] considering I develop linux device drivers for a living, I think I know how to compile my own kernels [21:00] did I miss a conversation somewhere? [21:01] Greplicate's comment a while back [21:02] 2.6.21's not a slackware 10.1 kernel either [21:02] and that works fine [21:02] and the 2.6.32 kernel config is based on 2.6.21's [21:03] Greplicate is an asshole. And tomorrow he'll be back with yet another nick. Easy to spot him by the vocal excrement [21:03] gnrp (~gnrp@devrandom.physik-pool.TU-Berlin.DE) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:03] yeah I was going to say he sounds like a bit of a dick [21:03] I've been around IRC long enough to brush most of them away [21:03] for a vm host, i'm tempted to use slackware64 current [21:04] alisonken1home: thanks [21:04] don't be a sissy jeev [21:04] thank to you guys [21:04] citylights2 (user@bzq-84-109-223-222.red.bezeqint.net) left ##slackware. [21:04] thrice`, i'd take pleasure in guttin' you.. boy [21:04] ugh, so gay :/ [21:05] it's from "The Rock" when the guy says it to nicholas cage [21:05] I don't remember htat line [21:06] I do remember hte prom king line [21:06] zed_DX (~kvirc@187.146.91.20) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:07] the system as a whole is fine, as bouncing between kernels makes the problem appear and go away [21:07] he was in the cell and kept repeating it.. [21:07] just ofr shits and giggles I turned off pseudo ttys in the kernel and of cours ethat didn't work [21:07] did you shit or giggle afterwards? :> [21:07] the tty subsystem is one of the nastier parts of the kernel [21:07] thrice`: lawl [21:08] hopefully the giggle came before the shit. to giggle in the presence of shit sounds terrible :( [21:08] yes, indeed [21:08] zed_DX (~kvirc@187.146.91.20) joined ##slackware. [21:08] depends on your particular kink I guess [21:08] grissiom (~grissiom@221.221.27.146) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:09] jspider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-3-97.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:09] thrice`, tell your clone inbread cousins to stop protesting against the health care bill, it'll give them access to insurance [21:09] i call OT [21:10] overtime ? [21:10] trhodes: <3 [21:10] oh, maybe deprecated sysfs [21:10] people are protesting in Cali? I didn't think anyone there had jobs yet? [21:10] har har thrice`, people are always protesting in cali, they want their w33d i think [21:10] i want watermelon [21:11] thrice`, why dont you bend over and lay one [21:11] ouch [21:11] There's a special tax form for protesting? Odd. [21:11] i wonder if i should reinstall slack on this box with lvm [21:12] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:12] zed_DX (~kvirc@187.146.91.20) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:13] jeev, just show the protestors your pic ( http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r284/justsoember/nerd.jpg ) , they'll see we need coverage badly [21:14] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [21:14] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-80-163.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:15] hahaha [21:15] that's your dream date [21:15] jeev: I was just gonna say the same thing... there's always someone protesting in california [21:16] tzanger, i'm actually talking about those poor idiots who drove up to DC to protest against a health care bill that'll help them, because they're so ignorant they've been fooled into protecting insurance companies thanks to the term "socialism" [21:17] you know, the people who make 10k/year and say keep your government hands off my medicare.. those people lol [21:17] wycked (~wycked@66-191-110-53.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:17] we'll see. I complain about my $15 / week charge for insurance already [21:18] what up killerz? how's everyone's day?! [21:18] heh [21:18] jeev: news flash I don't want to pay for your damn health care. [21:19] If I want to go without health insurance, I will go without health insurance. The government will NOT be dictating that I have to have it. [21:19] newslacker (~root@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [21:19] what should your tax dollars to go instead? [21:20] XGizzmo, news flash, you already are. oh and you're paying for a war too. [21:20] newslacker (root@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware. [21:20] would you rather kill or save ? [21:20] kill [21:20] Right now, my urge to kill is rising. [21:20] jkwood, har har [21:21] it's the moron in you, support the war so the rich could get richer, while killing others.. and using/abusing you. are you sure you're a slacker? cause your mentality is more like a unbuntintier [21:22] XGizzmo, by the way.. i already pay for my own health care and news flash, they took it up 39% in a single year. [21:22] so [21:22] I have a particular political philosophy separate from my use of free software. [21:22] drop it [21:22] XGizzmo, that's right, i'll drop it and go to the hospital and let your tax monies handle it anyway [21:22] dropping it is not an option [21:22] political views have some osrt of influence on software views? wow :| [21:22] my GF went to the hopsital without health insurance, and got a nice bill for $10,000+ [21:23] crap :( [21:23] fsilva (~fsilva@189.26.34.172.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:23] hold up hold up thrice`, GF or BF ? i read that as GF and i've seen otherwise in your pictures! [21:23] typo? :> [21:23] thrice`: add up all the years of unused health insurance and see what the bill is. [21:23] i know someone who went in for two days, 60k bill. guess what, the tax payers ended up paying for it [21:23] Nick change: plutoniu1 -> Plutonium [21:23] XGizzmo, seeing as how she's 25 years old [21:24] if you think 2 days in a hospital, a few tests and x-rays is worth $10,000, you're nuts [21:24] i said 60k, he had some procedures done too [21:24] healthcare is like politics, out of control. [21:24] out of OUR control, too [21:24] I did not say it was worth it, and I did not say the system does not need fixing. [21:24] I'm glad to live in sweden and have free health care. [21:24] health care is too expensive in this country.. for one reason, lawyers keep jacking up the rates and telling doctors they could [21:25] anyones control [21:25] perhaps I'm just sensitive from the aforementioned experience [21:26] thrice`, these people all change by the end of their lifetime, they end up regretting it.. when they get sick and CANT get insurance anymore or watch a loved one die cause they couldn't afford it, they'll STFU [21:26] tom_ (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [21:26] because only a raw moron is against saving lives, at the cost of taxes you're ALREADY paying. [21:27] jeev: The problem with the health care bill is what's being piggybacked along with the good. [21:27] uhh after kde upgrade and the X's want start .... and I got no errors in var/log/Xorg.0.log nor in dmesg [21:28] jkwood, with the seamonkey lib we did in the morning, many programs run now ! :D [21:28] uhh fail X's does NOT want to start [21:28] jkwood, let them piggyback anything they want. we need health care change, little by little. this is the beginning of something good [21:28] tom_: try rebooting [21:28] biker: Excellent. =) [21:28] NaCl did that already . [21:28] as long as they're not piggybacking funds for murdering people and dropping depleted uranium shells on other countries, turning them into the "worst place for a child to be born in" when it never used to be [21:28] tom_: if that fails, then you probably missed some part of it [21:28] KDE, that is. [21:29] or deps [21:29] take a look [21:29] jeev: They're piggybacking funds for murdering children. That's enough to turn me off. [21:29] what do you think the two wars are doing ? [21:29] jeev: talk to me when you send the fed a check on top of what you pay now and them them it's for someone elses welfare. [21:30] v4nelle (~van@79.103.157.50.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:30] XGizzmo, i'll gladly pay extra taxes to pay for something worthy, rather be selfish. if i could control universal health care and if it were helping you, i'd take the money back and let you die. if that's what you want to know. [21:30] i'm to the point where i care more about people dying than money. you may be different [21:30] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [21:30] so do it now, don't wait. [21:30] fed aint asking me for an extra check [21:31] the fed gave back your rich buddies money for 8 years.. did you see any of it ? [21:31] you want to help people out thats well and good but don;t tell me I have to. [21:31] XGizzmo, chances are you dont make enough to matter so what's your point [21:31] yeah you have too [21:31] hey jeev FO. [21:31] man, anyone have a civics class ever? [21:31] Action: XGizzmo out [21:31] thought so [21:31] we're a society [21:32] not a mob [21:32] nobody is asking you to pay any more in taxes, you dont make enough money [21:32] this i got mine, you get yours is a pre-school attitude [21:32] peacedog (~peacedog@pool-71-254-81-30.lyncva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] tom_ (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:32] Skywise, cracked out ? [21:33] now I have not been as familiar with Obama's health reform. Can you explain briefly? [21:33] theres more then just altruistic reasons to take care of each other [21:33] the plan sucks, but its the foundation for more changes [21:34] Plutonium, it has it's pros and cons.. [21:34] the senate is fuckin everything up [21:34] hd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:34] Take the politics to an offtopic channel please. [21:34] hd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [21:34] hd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [21:34] but thats what they do [21:34] damn [21:34] the thing that kills me is vision [21:35] eh [21:35] fat people get their heart attacks treated, but geeks don't get cheap glasses [21:35] and dental, but its off topic [21:35] ok, I'll stop too. sorry :> [21:35] lol thrice` [21:35] jeev, thanks for the info. [21:36] no prob [21:36] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [21:36] since ppl are talking vision, what are your best defenses? [21:37] special glasses, monitor screens? [21:37] lolol [21:37] not using a computer? [21:37] boo that [21:37] look at far objects frequently [21:37] remember to blink, that too [21:37] you need to change focal planes to excersize [21:37] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [21:37] theres isometric excersizes that are supposed to help as well [21:37] when riding a skateboard, wear eye protection [21:38] that applies to anything were bugs can hit your eyes [21:38] everyone here wear polarized lenses? [21:38] that's only working when the incorrect vision is due to your lenses [21:39] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [21:39] myself, my eyes are more grape shaped than spherical [21:39] mmm, grapes... [21:40] i don't like the lasik because i don't trust procedures that can only remove and not replace material [21:41] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@95.69.72.96) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:41] it is a laser [21:41] merlot? syrah? or maybe california's own zinfandel? [21:41] yeah, i know and if it goes wrong you're blind [21:41] skywise, my understanding is it doesn't remove or add anything, merely heats up your eyeball and re-shapes the lens while hot [21:41] i know a lot of ppl who had it done and they love it. i'm not ready for it yet. eyes still fluctuating [21:41] as far as heart attacks vs glasses, i agree with that. we're not talkig $500 glasses that we need help with, but $150k transplants [21:42] i think it ablates and sculpts the cornea into a new shape [21:42] oh, so it changes the focal point by actually shaving off parts of the lens, my bad [21:42] but they were freezing it, lopping it off, correcting the shape and reattaching it [21:42] before, so the laser is better [21:43] i'm just psyched to have morphine eyedrops and you get to watch it the whole time [21:43] smells of burning hair though, not a fan [21:43] yeah i don't think i wanna do that [21:44] i have an astigmatism [21:44] so theres not just 1 thing they can do [21:44] safety rating is better then flying. i'm cool with that [21:44] i do too. thats why i'm waiting. mine changes too much [21:44] that sounds all good until you're the one in an accident [21:45] well i think my true issue is that my eye muscles cannot relax enough [21:45] true, but i fly a lot and i'm still here. always a risk. i'll dye in a car crash before i go blind from laser eyes surgery [21:45] die* wow i suck [21:45] when i was young until about 10, i had 20-15 [21:45] if there were predictable factors for when it goes bad, they'd correct it [21:47] i'm not trying to scare you or anything like that [21:48] i'm just saying i'd like something thats correctable because i'm not confident in the perfection of man made things [21:48] only worth it if you HAVE to wear eyewear. i only wear them sometime. when my eyes get bad. if i wear them all the time i get a lot of pain [21:48] my glasses are 57/14 [21:50] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:51] uh, slackpkg upgrade-all seems like install is going so slow from a fresh slack13-64 install.. [21:51] now i'm gonna have to benchmark it,g rr [21:52] phrag (~phrag@79-64-249-239.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [21:55] what a bunch of geeks, talking about glasses [21:55] when i went into ubunti, they were talking about tampons [21:56] O.o [21:56] people talk about whats relevant to themselves [21:56] i'm still banned [21:57] #ubuntu is better than a movie. come up with a legit issue that can't be solved via robot generic messages [21:58] like "how do i change the memory address of my build in mmc card reader?" [22:00] "use rpm -Uvh" [22:00] ... the memory address of your build? [22:00] USE RPM [22:00] tzanger: he meant to say built in mmc card reader [22:00] jeev: idiot, it's apt-get -Uvh. [22:01] thats it [22:01] thank you fire|bird [22:01] whatever man, apt-get uvh, rpm.. same thing [22:01] okay but again... mmc appears as a drive device, what are you trying to change the memory address of, exactly? [22:02] if you were in an embedded system I could see some specialized cases but right now the qustion doesn't make much sense [22:02] tzanger: eh, the memory address. 0x0413e, it needs to be 0x0453e [22:03] Cann0n: ok, perhaps some background. I design embedded linux systems on a variety of processors. If we're talking x86 here and an MMC reader behing a PCI or USB interface, there is no memory address to adjust [22:03] it's a TI 4-in-1 card reader on a Compaq Presario 2300 [22:03] ok, on a laptop, very similar to the mmc reader on my u300 [22:04] my MMC controller is a PCI device. you don't set memory addresses, nor should you; the BIOS enumerates it all on boot [22:05] tzanger: two things, 1 you missed the point of my question. 2 for a handful of build in card readers, you have to change the memory address and load tifs [22:06] i could get you the actualy device in which i had to do this to [22:06] but i have to dig it out of the closet and boot it up [22:06] oh I don't deny there are many a fucked up BIOS around :-), but I also understood your main point: real questions rarely get answers in #ubuntu [22:06] :) [22:06] +2 tzanger [22:07] heh [22:07] http://www1.pacific.edu/~khughes/presario-r3120us/ [22:07] thats what happened when you're raised on os that magically does everything for you [22:07] heh [22:07] lol [22:07] I cut my teeth on Linux with Slackware '96 [22:07] you don't learn a thing about it, let alone how to fix it [22:07] I'm a greybeard [22:07] yeah, i got banned because no one could know wtf i was talking about [22:07] yep [22:08] it wasn't something you could click on [22:08] so its undefined to them [22:08] lol [22:08] I haven't got myself banned but I've had many a frustrating time with trying to untangle what the damned PPA package was doing and getting changelogs and shit rahter than just blindly copy/paste&pray [22:08] yeah, someone asked how to install something that wasnt on a repo... i said "compile it from source" and i was banned for "giving lame ass advice" by JackSparrow [22:09] this was a years ago though [22:09] the great a.out -> elf transition of the mid '90s taught me a few valuable lessons [22:09] the thing i like most about my slackware, is when i'm done its only doing what i want it to do [22:09] but I think it was the libc5 -> glibc transition that gave me a new appreciation for a statically linked ln and ls :-) [22:09] Skywise: likewise. i refuse to use another OS [22:09] usr13_ (~terry@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [22:10] I should ask him how exactly you DO install something that doesn't come packaged if that's a lame-ass answer [22:10] include port 0x3000-0x7fff, memory 0xe0100000-0xe17fffff [22:10] YAY i found it [22:10] usr13 (~tgm@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [22:10] lol thats what i was looking for [22:10] you have to supplicate to the maintainers and wait to be blessed [22:10] dude, if i pasted than in there, they'd be like, 100wtf? [22:10] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@200.159.32.100) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:11] someone would prolly say speak english [22:11] Cann0n: heh [22:11] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@200.159.32.100) joined ##slackware. [22:11] LOL Skywise [22:11] none of that metric crap in here [22:12] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@200.159.32.100) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:12] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@200.159.32.100) joined ##slackware. [22:13] there are no people in there that know anything. "i'm having issues with my cd burner" means an op types !cd-burner nick [22:13] tell him to take his coffee cup out of it first [22:13] 1 [22:13] lol [22:14] +10 Skywise ROFL [22:14] i luled [22:14] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-3-97.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:15] at least they're not in here [22:15] slackware is a natural barrier in itself [22:16] yeah, it weeds out the idiots.. for the most part [22:16] i'm shocked some of these folks that pass through here actually installed it [22:16] those who need spoon feeding can't hang [22:16] usr13_ (~terry@74.113.242.6) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:17] usr13_ (~terry@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [22:17] nope. i've had a shit load of questions before, but most of the time the people i ask in irc point me in the right direction, but rarely actually solve it for me [22:18] you don't need to know everything to run slack, just how to read [22:18] like my recent issue with sbopkg. had to edit line 3157 something and remove a single % sign [22:18] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:18] its rare to actually to be the first person with an issue [22:19] yeah, i never heard of it. nor could i find it solved [22:19] usr13_ (terry@74.113.242.6) left ##slackware. [22:20] thats why i like opensource [22:20] mos-def. it's the best [22:20] its more rigourous and more widely tested then you could do in any qa lab [22:21] Kamel- (~1@c-76-123-106-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:21] well, windows just releases shit without fully testing it [22:21] like window sME [22:21] windows has a lot of undocument features and often breaks its own specs [22:21] s/sME/ME/ [22:21] yeah lol [22:21] yeah, i run winme [22:21] dude, i wish i filmed my stock version of winme... [22:22] nice shade of blue, I'll say [22:22] its great, but you just need to do 2 things for it to run well [22:22] you disable the scheduler and pc health [22:22] without that you'll be lagging day and night cause they hog the cpu [22:23] no lie, after 15 minutes from boot, it'd totaly lag up. i wouldn't even touch it [22:23] yep [22:23] lol yea [22:23] jeagoss (jef@173.172.195.32) left irc: Quit: Gone Indefinitely [22:23] OEM shouldn't me suckage like that [22:23] well ms is stupid [22:23] i didn't know what was going on until i profiled it [22:23] and saw those 2 were using all the cpu [22:24] but, because of that, i went the the polar opposite... Slackware 8.x? [22:24] got rid of them and its a light weight snappy os without all the baggage of nt [22:24] i run winme to play games on [22:24] never really looked back. i had this laptop installed with linux before i got to my uncles house [22:25] i work on linux boxes, i play on windows [22:25] note, my uncles house was the first stop after bestbuy lol [22:26] the problem with windows is it doesn't really manage priorities right [22:26] them bitches tried to charge me 150 bucks extra for some hidden windows package [22:26] lol [22:27] not at all [22:27] yeah, i was like, "listen, i want sticker price... 300 bucks... i don't care about the windows" [22:27] "oh but uh... i have to have to charge you for the windows suite that was installed from teh factory" [22:28] my last laptop is a toshiba A9 techra cause it was the last one not to have vista on it [22:28] Cann0n: heh, "fine then, format the drive right now." [22:28] but i build my desktops from scratch [22:29] i thought about building a lappy, but it doesn't really save much money and seems rather alot of trouble [22:29] i was like, "listen lady, i got a linux disk and an inverter out in the car. since you don't carry anf puters without windows, you're NOT gonna charge me for something i didn't ask for or will EVER use" [22:29] yeah i prefer laptops over desktops [22:29] i need to replace 4 of my pcs [22:29] dude, i have a BADASS case [22:29] i'm still deciding what form factor to use [22:30] i want as small as possible with passive cooling [22:30] i mean, it's fucking hooked up. i need a CPU, some ram, and a video card [22:30] it's god 2x200GB drives and it's dual core [22:30] they're gonna run headless, so on board video is enough [22:30] i just plan to cram memory and disks on it [22:31] i don't use the thing [22:31] jeagoss (jef@173.172.195.32) joined ##slackware. [22:31] i'd get a sheeva plug if it had 2 ethernet ports [22:31] because i'd like to have nas storage on its own backplane [22:32] http://www.tvr.co.za/images/Achilles_red_black_medium.jpg [22:32] it's like that but blue [22:32] Skywise: guruplug has 2 ethernet ports [22:32] wow at last! qt compiled after 2 hours :S [22:32] s/like/is/ [22:33] biker, what are you trying to do, btw? [22:33] BP{k}, you know if is supported by slackARM? [22:33] biker: lol yeah [22:33] thrice`, im trying to get kde 4.4 [22:33] biker, are you on slack 13, or -current? [22:33] 13 [22:33] oh its the same guys [22:33] Skywise: you see that link? [22:34] oh, too bad :> [22:34] I need to compile the whole kde =/ [22:34] yeah, i'm looking for something small [22:34] i think people would laugh at me if i bought that to a colocation [22:35] thrice`, I saw kde 4.4 slack packages from alien i think, but on the readme there says they cannont be installed on 13, just on current [22:35] so i need to do the hole process by myself [22:35] it's a nice case. it's got lights and fans and switches and bells and whistles [22:36] biker, yep (good luck :( ) you'll need more than just qt updated [22:36] Skywise: I am not comletely sure if it does. [22:36] thrice`, i know :p [22:36] it will be a good experience [22:36] usr13_ (~terry@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [22:36] BP{k}, yeah those guys support it, they're the guys who make the sheeva plug [22:37] you can get it with slackARM factory installed [22:37] but i don't trust someone else installing my os [22:37] I've switched Nvidia cards from GeForce5 FX 5200 to the GeForce 4 [22:37] Skywise: bah, request it with armed-slack install then reinstall as soon as you get it ;) [22:37] I've switched Nvidia cards from GeForce5 FX 5200 to the GeForce 4 MMX [22:38] BP{k}, yeah i'd do exactly that [22:38] echtts (~echtts@201-95-183-28.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:38] and I've apparently installed the driver from Nvidia.com (did not use the slackbuild binary). [22:38] Do I need to somehow uninstall the old one before installing the new one? [22:39] ... or just go on and install the new one? [22:39] upgradepkg? [22:39] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [22:39] any idea what the guruplug costs? [22:40] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:40] Skywise: http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/c-4-guruplugs.aspx [22:40] i'm gonna order one [22:41] $130 isn't much for a toy [22:43] Skywise: well order one for me as well ;) [22:43] sign me up too [22:44] they're not shipping yet [22:44] i'm gonna wait until after the first batch [22:44] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-3-44.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] So on SuperTux, i get to a part that has blocks vertically, two piles one about 2/3 the height of the other [22:46] can't get over the fucker, do i need to be biggie sized? [22:49] BP{k}: I will give you a shell on mine :P [22:49] XGizzmo, whatcha got? [22:49] guruplug should be supportedy by armedslack [22:50] I can't guarantee it, but the chipset and all looks to be the same. [22:50] (as the sheevaplug) [22:50] alisonken1home: Ordered a guruplug + [22:50] ah [22:50] XGizzmo: you did? [22:50] yes [22:50] how big (small) are those? [22:50] yaya! [22:50] mancha: tiny. Just a few and I'll show a pic with an idea of scaling :) [22:51] mancha: about the size of two boxes of smokes stacked [22:51] cool [22:51] so smaller than a typical laptop power supply, not bad [22:52] tzanger (tzanger@gromit.mixdown.ca) left ##slackware. [22:52] those look sweet [22:52] sup phrag [22:52] NaCl: you here? [22:52] hey XGizzmo =) [22:53] BestBuy sells an eeePC for 400 at it has a "9 hour" power supply [22:53] (with windows?) [22:53] yeah win 7 starter [22:53] enigma- (~inferno@195.112.221.105) joined ##slackware. [22:54] isn't that a 9 hour batter? [22:54] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-251.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:54] too bad ARM netbooks aren't in brick and mortar stores :( [22:54] brklynRednek [22:54] :p [22:54] help [22:54] Cann0n: My girl has one and it does last 6-9 hours. [22:54] enigma-: yes? [22:54] the eeepc never really finished impressing me; always felt they were cheap...clickety plastic, etc. [22:54] ARMs are bad assed [22:55] brklynRednek its me cisco :\ [22:55] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-142-253.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [22:55] who needs a full core cpu to serve web pages or surf the web [22:55] i really thought risc would be more prevalent by now [22:55] enigma-: well, i've seen your problem before, but i don't remember how to fix it, if NaCl is around, he maintains wicd for slack, and rworkman is great for networking help [22:55] risc died [22:55] the eeepc 901 is amuch nicer bit of h/w than my acer [22:55] i knowz [22:56] XGizzmo: i want one, but i have big hands [22:56] NaCl here? [22:56] how are those dell mini things? [22:56] rworkman here [22:56] ? [22:56] i was thinking about using the guruplug lcd to put a multi media machine in the kitchen and bathroom [22:57] Skywise: that is what I am thinking too [22:57] enigma-: state the issue, someone here will remember how to fix it [22:57] guys i cann't connect to my router from slackware installed with wicd [22:57] heh [22:58] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@200.159.32.100) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:58] enigma-: 13.0 ? [22:58] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@200.159.32.100) joined ##slackware. [22:58] yes [22:58] s/i can't connect to my router from slackware with wicd/i am using wicd to try and connect to a router that uses WPA2 PSK auth, the SSID is hidden, it has MAC controls...../ [22:58] enigma-: what wifi card? [22:59] enigma- has an ath9k wifi card, and it doesn't seem to want to tie to an AP...i've seen the issue before, i've fixed it before, but i can't seem to remember how to fix the issue, enigma- is running 13.0 32 bit [22:59] asking questions 101 [22:59] http://connie.slackware.com/~rworkman/plug.jpg [22:59] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [22:59] ath9k [22:59] Action: NaCl doesn't maintain wicd for slack [22:59] is it encrytped? [22:59] Action: NaCl maintains wicd [22:59] try d/l wicd from -current [22:59] try asking a cogent question, fully, so we don't play 20 questions :) [23:00] who is connie? [23:00] Action: NaCl fades into the background [23:00] 13 questions :P [23:00] no, i'm using ath9k and wicd... [23:00] Yes [23:00] NaCl: apologies [23:00] enigma-: the hidden ssid doesn't play well with wicd-1.6.2.1 in 13.0. [23:00] im using 1.6.2.2 [23:01] probably why... [23:01] just a question [23:01] biker: yo sorry i had to bail like i did earlier [23:01] if I have a .patch file, how can I patch the one it is needed to patch ? [23:01] will, i didnt config the router to a hidden mode but the wicd see it hidden :/ [23:01] 1.7 is out, i was alerted of that salty fact a few days ago [23:01] Cann0n, np :p [23:01] Unless you're partial to your wicd config, then do this: rm -rf /etc/wicd /var/lib/wicd ; then upgrade to the wicd package in -current. I don't normally recommend using -current packages on -stable release, but this case is okay [23:01] i dont have conx :/ on the slack [23:02] maybe the default is to not send out broadcast frames. you never know what embedded device makers think is safe, innit [23:02] who is connie? [23:02] enigma-: there's a bug in 1.6.2.1. It might not be hidden. The point is: that version is broken. [23:02] ok what to do :\? [23:02] mancha: bob's wife. [23:02] enigma-, then find an open ap (some mcd's have free wifi available) and try connecting [23:03] enigma-: I've already told you. [23:03] rworkman, aha! thanks. [23:03] connie is also his computer :) [23:03] alisonken1home i did it connected to the linksys one [23:03] :\ [23:03] righteous (~righteous@pool-72-65-105-88.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:04] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@200.159.32.100) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:04] i love thinkpad :x [23:04] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:04] peacedog (peacedog@pool-71-254-81-30.lyncva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Peace out ;-)"). [23:05] rworkman: You got a crackberry? [23:05] MrJacks0n (Mr@173-86-61-114.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [23:06] XGizzmo: yes. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not :) [23:06] haha [23:08] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-61-114.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:17] Kamel- (~1@c-76-123-106-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: [23:22] Kamel- (klo_025@c-76-123-106-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:24] NaCl: do you really maintain wicd? [23:25] Kamel- (klo_025@c-76-123-106-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:26] I think he has some help. [23:26] He's a wicd dev, at least. [23:27] it's a ternary effort, iirc [23:27] Nick change: Dominian_ -> Dominian [23:27] biker (~biker@201.170.194.202.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:29] I see some old timers hanging out. Wassup rworkman? [23:29] Hello XGizzmo [23:29] Nick change: dtanner_ -> dtanner [23:29] Action: dtanner pokes Dominian [23:31] Cann0n: if you found an issue with sbopkg, please file a bug report. also, I was able to build and install libgnomecups without issue. [23:32] dtanner: hey hey; how goes it? [23:32] chess: i just removed a "%" on line line 3157 or something like that [23:33] Cann0n: what was the problem? [23:33] can you post line 3157 please? [23:33] chess: glad to see you alive too :) [23:33] Cann0n: line 3157 is a comment [23:34] rworkman: hey Robby! :-) how ya doin? [23:34] yeah tanner and chess online at the same time. [23:34] weird... sbopkg is gone lol [23:34] chess: busy as a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest. [23:34] We need to go out and buy lotto tickets [23:34] Action: jkwood brings out the lemon barrel [23:34] hehe [23:35] Action: rworkman is afraid to ask why jkwood has a lemon barrell. [23:35] hold on, ill paste bin everything [23:35] It's the ##slackware lemon barrel. [23:35] ah [23:35] For special occasions. [23:35] Don't ask..... Please don't. [23:35] rworkman: haha, I hear ya. I'm in the same boat. although right now, I'm enjoying a brew after watching b-ball [23:36] chess: very nice. That's part o fmy problem - I spent way too much of my spring break drinking. [23:36] (and the subsequent recovery process) [23:36] lol [23:36] Cann0n: what was the problem you had? the libgnomecups one? that built and installed fine for me [23:36] rworkman: too much time drinking? that is a problem? ;-) [23:37] well, all things are relative. :) [23:37] true [23:38] chess: He misses college spring breaks. :P [23:38] chess mancha http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/ZvpsJv67.html [23:38] chess: it was universal. [23:38] XGizzmo: so do I :-) [23:39] didn't matter what i was trying to install, it would spit out the same error. [23:39] To know then what I know now... ;-D [23:39] rworkman: you and i both [23:39] weird, upgradepkg from%to works as long as from exists [23:40] rworkman: good here.. thanks. Just moved into a new apartment, been playing guitar a lot and riding my bike. Not been tinkering with my OS and computers too much lately.. I mean once you have SW setup and runiing smooth it is sometimes best to just let it run and don't worry myself with upgrading to every new release/-current. Just run it. =) [23:40] but the error seesm to suggest the % was taken as part of the filename [23:40] man' what version of spkg? [23:40] Cann0n: something else is causing the problem. I just built and installed locale-gettext without issue. [23:41] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/BThKot77.html [23:41] usr13 (~tgm@74.113.242.6) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:41] chess: it's anything. nothing would work until i removed the % [23:42] Cann0n: are you on -current or 13.0? [23:42] mancha: what version of spkg? [23:42] chess: 13 [23:42] but i didn't fullinstall [23:42] Cann0n: what version of sbopkg? [23:43] 0.32.0 or what ever the newest one is [23:43] rworkman: my girlfriend is totally converted to slackware now.. it makes her cringe when she gets on a windows machine now. She is spoiled. [23:43] ha [23:43] chess: i upgraded it yesterday, but had this problem on older versions [23:44] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [23:44] whspkg 1.0rc11 [23:44] dtanner: very cool! :) [23:44] spkg 1.0rc11 [23:45] hrm... re the sbopkg issue, I think the attention is directed to the wrong place: [23:45] bash-4.1# upgradepkg /home/slackware/slackware64-current/slackware64/ap/slackpkg-2.80.2-noarch-3.tgz%/home/rworkman/slackpkg-2.81beta2-noarch-1.tgz [23:45] Cannot install /home/slackware/slackware64-current/slackware64/ap/slackpkg-2.80.2-noarch-3.tgz%/home/rworkman/slackpkg-2.81beta2-noarch-1.tgz: file not found [23:45] Cann0n: hmm... have not had any similar reports and it's working ok here. not sure what could be causing it, but it seems like some specific to your system. [23:45] *something [23:46] ignore that - pebkac here [23:46] With the proper path to the new package, it works fine. [23:46] rworkman: thats the error [23:47] but why does sbopkg have the wrong path? [23:47] Cann0n: in that case, make sure the path is correct. [23:47] Fwiw, your fix is wrong regardless. [23:47] hmm [23:48] Cann0n: what version of bash? [23:48] bash -version [23:48] /tmp/sbopkg/sbopkg-sbooutputdir/locale-gettext-1.05-x86_64-2_SBo.tgz is there though [23:48] GNU bash, version 3.1.17(2)-release (x86_64-slackware-linux-gnu) [23:49] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:49] kbdman (~kbdman@189001130081.usr.predialnet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [23:49] I just tried building and install locale-gettext again and it worked fine. [23:49] hello [23:49] (testing to see if it was an upgrade issue) [23:49] hmm [23:50] so if my fix is wrong, and the paths are right, what else would it be? [23:50] kbdman (~kbdman@189001130081.usr.predialnet.com.br) left irc: Changing host [23:50] kbdman (~kbdman@unaffiliated/kbdman) joined ##slackware. [23:50] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@unaffiliated/kbdman' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [23:50] kbdman kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Racist, hateful, inciteful troll. Sorry I missed you last time... --rworkman [23:50] it wasnt an upgrade issue [23:50] haha [23:50] I thought that nick sounded familiar. [23:50] +1 for slackboy [23:50] i wasnt upgrading anything [23:51] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:51] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [23:51] ok, i put the % back... [23:51] Cann0n: you said your install was not a full install. not sure what could be missing but maybe something is ... [23:51] Still works fine here though - I removed that slackpkg package, then did upgradepkg --reinstall --install-new slackpkg%slackpkg and it's fine [23:52] Cann0n: is your install an upgrade from previous a previous Slackware or was it a clean install? [23:53] fresh. but i fail to see why it would matter [23:53] a previous, damn I can't type. can't hold my beers like I used to. [23:53] so it is smart enough to ignore a "from" if none is there? with --install-new? [23:53] You're running bash 3, chess? [23:53] i haven't even tried to update anything with sbopkg [23:54] gm152: I test on both 13.0 and current, so I have bash 3.x and 4.x [23:54] Ah, ok. [23:54] For whatever reason, /sbin/upgradepkg is going bad here: [23:54] # Simple package integrity check: [23:54] if [ ! -f $(echo $1 | cut -f 2 -d '%') ]; then [23:54] echo "Cannot install $1: file not found" [23:55] hmm [23:55] ERROR: Package file does not exist. (/tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz%/tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz) [23:55] So... I plugged in the string from http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/ZvpsJv67.html and it spits out the expected output: /tmp/sbopkg/sbopkg-sbooutputdir/locale-gettext-1.05-x86_64-2_SBo.tgz [23:56] ls: cannot access /tmp/*DatesCalc*: No such file or directory [23:56] /tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz [23:56] You don't have an alias for cut or some such, do you? [23:56] uhh, don't think so. i'll check my aliases [23:57] nope [23:57] I would sware thats a bash 4 problem. [23:57] Do this: [23:57] echo '/tmp/sbopkg/sbopkg-sbooutputdir/locale-gettext-1.05-x86_64-2_SBo.tgz%/tmp/sbopkg/sbopkg-sbooutputdir/locale-gettext-1.05-x86_64-2_SBo.tgz' | cut -d% -f2 [23:57] XGizzmo: I'm on bash4, so I doubt it :) [23:58] and he's on bash3 [23:58] I have seen it before but I can;t recall details. [23:58] no such file [23:58] aha! [23:58] but i cleaned my /tmp from the packages this morning [23:58] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.111.224) joined ##slackware. [23:58] /tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz [23:58] ERROR: Package file does not exist. (/tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz%/tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz) [23:58] oh, hrmm, false alarm [23:59] that was /exec -o ls /tmp/*Date-Calc* [23:59] Cann0n: the line I just gave you says no such file? [23:59] echo "/tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz%/tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz" | cut -f 2 -d '%' [23:59] Cann0n: this is a full install of slackware? [23:59] no [23:59] Cann0n: paste mancha's line into a shell and then paste the result here. [00:00] --- Sun Mar 21 2010