[00:00] they still have lousy imap support in evolution. it's really odd, that was like what, one of the first email protocols, and it still works horribly. kontact is great for imap (at least for my lamp) :) [00:00] rworkman, thanks for the 'mc' heads up I'm gonna give that a go for sure. [00:02] I'm confused here, reading the kde news rss from this week, is policykit going to be mandatory in later KDE's ? [00:03] <_chess_> I believe so, and devicekit will ultimately replace hal [00:03] _chess_, nothing like reinventing the wheel every 3-5 years I say [00:04] it's all a dbus conspiracty to overtake the world, I'm convinced :) [00:04] phrag (n=phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [00:05] <_chess_> at least we dont' have to deal with that pulseaudio mess [00:05] well, I just hope their implementation of policykit is better then it is on gnome. cuz I'll be honest with ya, policykit on gnome , I'm confused. [00:05] _chess_, oh good to hear (pun not intended) [00:06] <_chess_> Old_Fogie: at least I hope not. I have no inside information, that's just my take on it. [00:06] there's this gui for gnome's policykit, and if you want to talk about 'cryptic', the verbiage is 'over my head and under my feet' [00:06] dchmelik1 (n=d@66.243.232.150) joined ##slackware. [00:07] you know, printing from windows to a linux cups/smb server can be a pain [00:07] _chess_, yea pulseaudio, oh man. I mean, I'm sure if I spent a few months, and I literally mean that, probably a few months, I might be able to config it, and learn it proficiently. But all the daemons, and text file editing, etc is just outta control. [00:07] thumbs, I've never gotten it to work [00:08] Old_Fogie: I just did tonight, after an hour of tweaking! [00:08] I bought a print server, and solved that issue [00:08] but a slackware print server is so much more interesting [00:08] <_chess_> thumbs: if you can, just use cups with ipp, and no samba. works great with win xp and greater [00:08] true true [00:08] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:08] _chess_: didn't think of that. I have 2k clients. [00:09] <_chess_> I think there is a way to do ipp on win2k, but not positive. [00:09] thumbs, was there a good how to you used, or was it hunt/peck/hope from googleing [00:09] <_chess_> you may have to download something but it works out of the box on xp [00:09] Old_Fogie: hunt and peck from my memories. [00:09] night all:) [00:09] yeah I had tried alienbob's but couldn't get it to work [00:10] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:10] Old_Fogie: you have to remember to 'share' the printers from cups, and set smb.conf with public = yes, guest ok = yes [00:10] <_chess_> bedtime to me too. 'night. [00:10] good night _chess_ [00:10] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.150) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:10] Action: _chess_ waves [00:10] Old_Fogie: oh, and map the guest user, too. [00:10] Re PolicyKit, well, I don't know how that's going to play out. I've got it "working" now (finally), but I'm not happy with it. [00:10] to the root user right :) [00:11] Old_Fogie: NO. [00:11] g'night _chess_ [00:11] Old_Fogie: NEVER [00:11] Old_Fogie: I mapped it to nobody [00:11] rworkman, i have it here but it's buggy on my gnome 2.26 tbh [00:11] thumbs, aha, and you're using a generic postscript driver? [00:12] rworkman, I'm not sure if the bugginess is from policykit, or from policykit-gnome (there are two apps - more room for error :( [00:12] umislack (i=1000@58.64.91.133) joined ##slackware. [00:12] Old_Fogie: well, in my testing, it *works* actually. The problem comes in when you have to make stuff work with it when that stuff isn't included in Slackware. It's not as simple as dropping a config file in place. [00:13] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "sleep." [00:13] Megaf_ (n=megaf@unaffiliated/megaf) joined ##slackware. [00:14] rworkman, it's written very 'gnomeishly' and by that I mean, the ./configure does checks, yes, ...but there are some apps, it doesnt check for...and as it builds, it's almost as if it just 'assumes' these things, or binaries are present on the system, and it just fails. or if/when you run it one day, you get some odd error for $DIETY reason in /var/log/syslog [00:14] gooph (n=chatzill@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:15] Old_Fogie: and the printer auto-detection is great with cups, too [00:15] Old_Fogie: I assume you got the printer working locally on slack first [00:15] Old_Fogie: no, the hplip driver. [00:15] Channel flood from thumbs -- kicking [00:15] rworkman: slackware64? [00:15] Action: thumbs thinks robby meant slamd64 [00:15] thumbs kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [00:15] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable233.40-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [00:16] lagged a bit, isn't she? [00:16] wb thumbs :) [00:16] thumbs: no he didn't /topic (and http://www.slackware.com) [00:16] thumbs: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-current/ChangeLog.txt [00:16] thumbs, yea hplip is fine by me here, I added the printer using hplip gui front end itself, so that way I get the scanning over the lan feature to the officejet. [00:16] good night guys. [00:17] night XGizzmo_ [00:17] XGizzmo_: g'night [00:17] night XGizzmo_ [00:17] XGizzmo_: night. [00:17] Old_Fogie: it's funny that scanning over the network requires sane [00:17] twolf (n=none@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [00:17] thumbs, yup [00:17] Old_Fogie: with a win32-only solution, it's not possible. [00:18] BP{k}: rworkman: oops [00:18] :) [00:18] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:18] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:19] rworkman: perhaps I'll use it on my laptop, and the new HDD [00:21] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [00:22] Action: Old_Fogie puts his "Grand Wizard" hat on, ... hmmm, if he's announcing Slackware64... then a release would presumably be around the corner. Else he's teasing us, no? [00:22] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] rumors,,conspiracy, wishes and wonders... [00:22] thumbs: it depends on teh scanner [00:23] Old_Fogie, do you know Pat personally? [00:23] Arirang, me no not at all [00:24] I am sure that someone in here does. Should get whomever to ask Pat that, and report back [00:24] hehe [00:24] Old_Fogie you mean that tinfoil hat you use? [00:24] f/win 26 [00:24] nille_: You don't have one? [00:25] nille_, no the "Grand Wizard" hat is my 'thinker' 'wishes' 'wonders' hat. [00:25] offcourse i do [00:25] Cool space show from history channel about Meteors: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=E8524D96AF151036 [00:25] most of the time tho, I wear the tin foil one [00:25] Old_Fogie: I prefer "Shinny hat" :D [00:26] ah there ya go [00:26] :) [00:26] lean and copper hats only in this house [00:26] lead [00:27] talking of tin foil hats, looks like I'm gonna have to sell my antique cars while the going is still good, or I'm gonna get scrooged on this fuel econ tax that may hit. [00:28] Alan Hicks: actually the script to reset ownership permissions needs a little more changing before it can use chown instead of chgrp... an OWNER variable needs to be added [00:28] so you think they won't grandfather in antique cars? [00:28] twolf, I dont know, it's not looking good. even a car we have that's only 4 years old, isn't good enuff as well. [00:28] I accidentally ran the version I did not edit and it was echoing for a while [00:28] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:29] thumbs: I plan to use it on my new one. I no longer have to be careful talking about my dev box though :) [00:29] CA has grandfathered in antiques on their emmisions regulations [00:29] twolf, that's why I'm thinking of selling them. [00:29] Immunized monkey HIV: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/19/1646229 [00:29] Old_Fogie isn't the gas cheap where your at? [00:29] twolf, yea they're grandfathered now, but I don't know if the power that be will revisit that or not. [00:29] It's been tough to omit references to my slackware64 box with 8G of ram powering my virtual machines for devel :-) [00:29] nille_, we're about 2.40 a gallon, and you know how opec shut off the spickets not too long ago, I see gas going back up soon thru my crystal ball here. [00:30] rworkman: does it still use a 32 wrapper for things like the flash browser plugin? [00:30] nope [00:30] rworkman: show off ;) [00:30] BP{k}: :D [00:30] nille_, but the gas price isn't the reason I'm thinking of selling them, it's a tax on vecicles like them because my cars are *so* bad on gas, I cant forsee the powers that be leaving them alone. [00:30] rworkman: oh nice [00:30] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:31] We've all been running the 64 stuff for a while :D [00:32] sly dogs [00:32] rworkman: Are slackbuilds going to change what's required so that people submit scripts that are 64bit compatible as well? [00:32] agentc0re: yes. In fact, that mostly already happened last week: http://slackbuilds.org/template.SlackBuild [00:32] chopp, yea and here we are thinking rworkman is one of us...and he's been holding out on us. I think he weighs as much as a goose... /me gets the goose and the wooden scale from the Holy Grail movie. [00:33] It's not strictly required yet, but it would be nice - less work for the chagevor [00:33] hehe [00:33] seat` (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:33] ..teeter totter...teeter totter... [00:33] Old_Fogie i calculated our gas price to amarican gallon and that would be 6.10 a gallon [00:33] Old_Fogie: yeah just when you think you know someone. :P [00:33] chopp, friends like that who needs a proctologist [00:34] :) [00:34] haha [00:34] He's a WITCH! [00:34] nille_, your gas is 6.10 [00:34] agentc0re, ++ [00:34] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:34] yes [00:34] nille_, oh man! where is this? [00:34] sweden [00:34] nille_, how much does a hamburger cost? [00:34] lol the good old bigmac index [00:34] like at a McDonalds' [00:35] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:35] nille_, yes ! you know the rules of economics... +1 for nille_ [00:36] http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mac-index you can take a look here [00:37] so 6.37 as of 2008 [00:37] wow the wiki has that! :) [00:37] judequinn (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [00:37] swedish wikipedia [00:37] wow that's some inflation there [00:38] or weak dollar I should say, huh. [00:38] lol a bit of both [00:38] makes you wonder what changed since 2001 for Sweden vs US dollar [00:39] 2001 they were close, then the disparity started [00:40] 2001 hmm bush maybe :p [00:40] hahah, he's always the safe choice to blame anything on [00:40] he's like the "blame goto guy" [00:41] will the following statment parse input given it from 'ls -l' and take out the owner? OWNER="$( echo $line | cut -c 16-19 )" [00:41] (root as owner in MANIFEST is on cols 16 - 19) [00:41] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "fnord!!" [00:42] (actually I mean input from MANIFEST, which is arranged like ls -l with root as the owner for everything AFAIK) [00:42] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [00:44] try and let us know [00:44] alright, I will just try it out [00:44] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: "42" [00:44] otherwise I have to reinstall anyway [00:45] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:46] thebigh (n=herbert@adsl-99-163-90-5.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:46] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:46] hey erybody [00:46] awesome day it is [00:47] my command needs to go to col 20... then it will probably work [00:47] dchmelik1 i'm more of an ls -l |cut -f3 -d" " [00:47] i rather cut the field instead [00:47] eelriver (n=eelriver@67.102.106.32) joined ##slackware. [00:48] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-080-010.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [00:48] actually it needs to go to cols 12 - 15 [00:48] which field? [00:48] Anthony__ (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [00:48] thebigh hello [00:48] Hello [00:48] in the one i posted it's 3 [00:49] try my command and you will see what i mean [00:49] what are you trying? [00:49] anyone install slackware 64 yet? [00:49] i think most did it a few hours ago [00:49] nille_: I get it [00:50] that is a better way usually [00:50] my internets are slow, so I'll have to get it at work tomorrow... [00:50] how am I supposed to sleep like this? [00:50] lol [00:51] you sleep? [00:51] Your tubes could be clogged. Have you tried flushing them out with poker chips yet? [00:51] awk '{ print $2 }' | cut -d/ -f1 <-- owner -f2 <-- group [00:52] I wish I didn't have to sleep [00:52] umislack (i=1000@58.64.91.133) left irc: "leaving" [00:52] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:53] Alan, AlienBOB, nille: Alan's script (from a few hours ago) does change the owner when I add in OWNER="$( echo $line | cut -c 12-15 )" and then the appropriate 'chown.' [00:53] dchmelik1: columns are unreliable. What if owner=messagebus ? [00:53] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:54] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:54] I'm assuming scribus doesn't build for anyone on --current due to python 2.6 here, so does anyone have/know of patch to get scribus to build? [00:54] is not root the owner for everything in a new install? [00:54] umislack (i=1000@58.64.91.225) joined ##slackware. [00:54] Old_Fogie: I've not tried it. There is a 1.5rc/beta/something though you might look at [00:54] dchmelik1: no [00:54] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:54] rworkman, ah ok [00:54] so I need to parse MANIFEST for such users? [00:55] I guess the 'cut -d/ -f1' thing is needed then [00:55] dchmelik1: I'd just do this and not worry about it: OWNER=$(echo $line | awk '{ print $2 }' | cut -d/ -f1) [00:55] and GROUP=$(echo $line | awk '{ print $2 }' | cut -d/ -f2) [00:55] untested of course, but should work [00:56] or your money back! [00:56] from what nille was saying it sounds like owner is f2 (and permissions are f1) [00:56] and then chown ${OWNER}:${GROUP} $file [00:56] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:57] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-072-148-151-050.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [00:57] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [00:57] maybe slamd64 will get its act together now that its got competition [00:57] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@253.53.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: "Saliendo" [00:57] Just to grab one example: crw-rw---- root/video 81,227 2003-03-09 11:32 dev/vbi3 [00:58] $ echo 'crw-rw---- root/video 81,227 2003-03-09 11:32 dev/vbi3' | awk '{ print $2 }' [00:58] root/video [00:58] hmmm, chmod 0069 /dev/wife not working [00:58] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@253.53.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [00:58] maybe the awk is starting at field 2 or cut checks for the '/' and does it around that [00:58] ok, I will try this out [00:58] lul @ Old_Fogie [00:58] $ echo 'crw-rw---- root/video 81,227 2003-03-09 11:32 dev/vbi3' | awk '{ print $2 }' | cut -d/ -f1 [00:59] root [00:59] $ echo 'crw-rw---- root/video 81,227 2003-03-09 11:32 dev/vbi3' | awk '{ print $2 }' | cut -d/ -f2 [00:59] video [00:59] the delimiter part is particularly interesting [00:59] cut is wonderful. [00:59] hmm ls /dev/wife not working [01:00] That's a feature, not a bug. [01:00] ;-) [01:00] lol [01:00] Action: rworkman looks over his shoulder to make sure /dev/wife is not present. [01:00] all I know is be sure not to have /dev/wife in audio group! [01:00] haha [01:00] chown root:plugdev /dev/wife [01:01] if I redirect the scripts output to /dev/null I suppose it will be faster than it echoing everything [01:01] hahah [01:01] i thought you only needed to use mount to access /dev/wife [01:01] dchmelik1: a bit perhaps [01:01] agentc0re: you're single, right? [01:01] if you're lucky, once in a while, you get chmod 33 on /dev/wife [01:01] nope. [01:01] I forgot how to do that, but if it is just a bit then it is not important [01:02] rworkman: why do you ask? [01:02] chown root:plugdev /dev/wife ; chmod 1750 /dev/wife [01:02] agentc0re: lame joke [01:02] rworkman, hmmm new hal looks like it might be some udev rules fwiw (I'm looking it over now as scribus d/l's) [01:02] just ignore me [01:03] Old_Fogie: /var/log/packages/hal-0.5.12-i486-2_rlw is working fine here :) [01:03] rworkman, oh was it a straight forward upgrade? [01:03] no [01:03] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [01:03] the changelog verbiage is kind of intimidating, makes me think it's not just a version bump in the buildscrippage [01:03] It could have easily been 0.6.0 but then that would not send the message they want to send about it [01:03] Definitely not just a version bump [01:03] gotcha [01:04] I'll wait to sniff Mr. V's then [01:04] the lights for the wifi seem's like a neat addition [01:04] nfoss (n=nfoss@32.158.238.30) joined ##slackware. [01:04] that caught my eye [01:04] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:06] nfoss (n=nfoss@32.158.238.30) left irc: Client Quit [01:06] nfoss (n=nfoss@32.158.238.30) joined ##slackware. [01:07] nfoss (n=nfoss@32.158.238.30) left irc: Client Quit [01:07] The Moon is Waning Crescent (22% of Full) <- well this just doesn't make any sense at all [01:08] and on that note, I think I'll go to bed. :) [01:08] rworkman, g'night [01:08] antiwire, you can confirm / deny pom's accuracy with 'rain' command :) [01:08] lol [01:08] oh man that's awesome [01:09] :) [01:09] someone had too much time on their hands one day for sure. [01:11] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:11] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:12] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-98-118-69-21.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:12] rworkman lol " chown root:plugdev /dev/wife ; chmod 1750 /dev/wife" thats not that lame [01:13] i've had far over my limit of micro brew tonight [01:13] it's time to play some FPS games [01:14] that reminds me I gotta update nexuiz [01:14] rworkman are you afraid set will run an upgradepkg on you [01:14] nille_, he's [ in bed ] [01:15] ooh missed that [01:15] i read to slow :p [01:15] I wonder if arny will miss bluewhite64 [01:15] I'd venture to guess he'll keep it going [01:15] at least for a while [01:16] this is a good day [01:16] no doubt [01:16] yes, it is [01:16] this is a dynamic changing day [01:16] scubacuda (i=rog@6.sub-75-251-170.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [01:16] rworkman: multilib? [01:16] jkwood: frame work [01:16] the ability is there [01:17] jkwood: imagine is more or less empty /usr/lib [01:17] I'll stick with Slamd64 then. [01:17] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:19] yeah, you wouldn't be the first to decide on that course [01:23] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [01:23] awesome day slackware64 is here! [01:23] lol [01:23] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:23] welp,bedtime for bonzo, night night all [01:23] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [01:25] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:28] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:29] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:29] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-159-125.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [01:30] http://zip.4chan.org/k/src/1242796510246.jpg [01:30] awesome [01:30] but horrible [01:31] Action: tuvok302 debates about whether to actually click the link [01:31] dchmelik1 (n=d@66.243.232.150) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:31] lol [01:31] how come its only ok when used on foreign soil? [01:31] Action: tuvok302 waits for the image to load [01:31] tuvok302, it's work safe [01:31] Action: tuvok302 continues waiting [01:31] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.150) joined ##slackware. [01:31] adrenaline (n=repsol@tuxhacker/adrenaline) joined ##slackware. [01:31] gbonvehim (i=1000@200.69.244.1) joined ##slackware. [01:32] Doesn't matter, I'm not at work, but I'm dial-up, which is itself a sort of hell [01:32] Haha, so awesome [01:33] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [01:34] thebigh, yeah, I agree, it's horrible [01:34] But it's awesome at the same time [01:34] :D [01:35] http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK10927&mode=retail [01:35] heh heh. [01:36] rip off though [01:37] heh heh yeah bevis, fire is coool [01:39] last one, then i promise it's over http://zip.4chan.org/k/src/1242783366063.jpg [01:39] big pic [01:39] Action: thebigh waits and wonders what it could be [01:39] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [01:40] Action: thebigh is pleasantly surprised [01:40] O.o And that's why dial-up users should never look at pictures on the internet. [01:41] lol [01:41] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425465.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:41] Action: tuvok302 sets aside the requisite three hours to load the picture [01:41] not worth 3 hrs [01:41] wow. how the heck did everyone using/testing slackware64 remain so quiet for so long? [01:41] what pic are you talking about [01:41] antler: that's what i said [01:41] seriously. [01:41] sneaky bastards [01:41] haha [01:41] antler: NDA? :P [01:42] I was going to install Slamd64 within few days, but I think I'll just go with Slackware64-current [01:42] everyone thought that when they mentioned "sl64" they meant "slamd64" [01:42] There's a Slackware64? [01:42] What's going to happen to the Slamd64 anyway? [01:42] When did that happen? [01:42] slamd64 will stay as it is [01:42] agentc0re: nda? [01:42] behind [01:42] they are the sneakiest, otherwise they would not be developing with Slackware Inc. [01:42] antiwire: non-disclosure agreement [01:43] antler: Non disclosure agreement. [01:43] thebigh, different distro? [01:43] tuvok302: ah. that is most logical. [01:43] agentc0re: :) [01:43] Arirang: slackware64 isn't multilib. [01:43] they're just sneaky, those sneaky bastards [01:43] where was the anticipation? [01:43] over there ---> [01:44] where was the buildup? [01:44] <---- that way [01:44] lol [01:44] <^> [01:44] \(^,^)/ [01:44] this is awesome... [01:44] slack64 [01:45] :D [01:46] well most things work as they should on 64bit now so it's the right time for an slackware64 [01:46] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-98-118-69-21.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:46] if only I could get my hands on it [01:46] it's all fun and games until someone upgrades their glibc [01:46] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-12.dial.telus.net) left irc: "fare thee well, people" [01:48] hey, slackbuilds64.org isn't taken [01:48] oh yeah? [01:48] why would you need it? [01:48] you wouldn't [01:48] doubt they'd want a separate domain for 64 [01:48] Anakin- (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [01:48] but it could be awesome [01:48] Arirang: i like the song :) [01:49] just rip off all the slackbuilds and modify them to default to ARCH x86_64 [01:49] antler, yeah, have you seen that NY Philharmonic performance at NK? [01:49] they should work [01:50] antler, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-OUt3IFlzk [01:50] :D [01:50] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-40-159-71.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:50] hey [01:50] they work, if you ARCH=x86_64 sh *.Slackbuild [01:50] Arirang: no, but a beautiful korean woman sang it for me on a mountain top in the gangwon province [01:51] Ahhhh [01:51] thebigh: There's more to add than just the arch. [01:51] you should update the lib paths [01:51] lymeca (n=lymeca@dsl-74-220-76-19.dhcp.cruzio.com) joined ##slackware. [01:52] or make it install entirely into a safe place if you're not sure [01:52] I have mostly trouble with slackbuilds since switching to slamd64 [01:53] I'm back to using my own packaging scripts [01:53] letmein (n=letmein@d199-74-168-16.try.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [01:53] thebigh: you need to add a libdir=/usr/lib64 and have LDPATH="-L/lib64 -L/usr/lib64" [01:53] I'm hoping that sw64 will have packages that work more easierly [01:53] Action: agentc0re is off to bed [01:53] nite [01:54] night agentc0re [01:54] keep in mind that it's still in the same state as -current [01:54] agentc0re: hmm... good to know [01:54] it's not a versioned released yet [01:55] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-080-010.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:55] Arirang: is it possible to resist unification after hearing this? [01:55] dchmelik1 (n=d@66.243.232.150) joined ##slackware. [01:55] i was just using LDFLAGS='\''-L/usr/lib64'\'' ./configure --prefix=/usr --libdir=/usr/lib64 [01:55] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:55] anyone tried to install the nvidia drivers on sw64 yet? [01:55] the colored display is a little screwed [01:55] ^^ on the installation that is [01:55] nividia drivers worked on bw64, why not sw64 [01:56] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.150) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:56] they work, it's the installation [01:56] antler, well, do you suppose that South Korea's economy can absorb North Korea smoothly? [01:56] antler, it's not the same thing as what happened with Germany [01:56] Nick change: dchmelik1 -> dchmelik [01:56] Arirang: economy aside because blood is what's at issue. [01:56] West Germany was far far richer than South Korea [01:57] antler, well, honestly....meh [01:57] hehe [01:57] :D [01:57] heheh [01:57] I am an American, so I don't really care [01:57] korean american? [01:57] yay us! [01:57] To me, people are people [01:57] antler, yes [01:57] so why should it be? [01:58] heh [01:58] Korean girls are pretty [01:59] Arirang: you have lost your sense of han. *sigh* :P [01:59] how would one collect old versions of Slackware? I have used it since '97 but would like to collect some from a bit before and after that time. I do not see all the old ones in the archives. [01:59] ftp [01:59] well, even ftp.slackware.com did not seem to have the really old versions last time I checked [02:00] evening folks [02:00] i was just on a server that had them all [02:00] nix_lix3r: alives? [02:00] Arirang: fantastic link. thanks for posting it. [02:00] antler, should I feel sense of loyalty to a country which isn't mine? [02:00] antler, :D [02:00] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@petrostsi1.ath.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:00] thebigh: which one was that? [02:00] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [02:00] (if you recall) [02:01] greetings [02:01] someone is brute forcing (ssh) one of my servers, it's doing a megabit LOL [02:01] shit! [02:01] Action: jeev hadn't installed fail2ban yet (freebsd) heh [02:01] sounds like fun [02:01] thebigh (n=herbert@adsl-99-163-90-5.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:02] Arirang: :P [02:04] mmmm new NTPdate exploit >. [02:04] >.> [02:04] Hi The-Croupier, how are you? [02:05] oh dear, run its firebird619 [02:05] lol [02:05] A buffer overflow in ntpq allow a remote NTP server to create a denial of service attack or to execute arbitrary code via a crafted response. [02:05] sounds yummy [02:06] A buffer overflow in ntpd allows a remote attacker to create a denial of service attack or to execute arbitrary code when the autokey functionality is enabled. [02:06] ooh make that 2 vuln's [02:06] hiya firebird619 [02:06] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-072-148-151-050.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:07] What happened to slackwiki.org? There used to be a bit of info there and now it seems it is all gone... I had to re-register too, I think. [02:07] of course there is wiki info but no Slackware usage info [02:09] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:10] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:11] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:12] amazon10x (i=amazon10@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-d21649e41addfd5e) joined ##slackware. [02:15] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [02:16] dchmelik: its a little messed right now, however you can reach everything here: http://slackwiki.org/Special:AllPages [02:16] Hey chopp, how's it going? [02:17] http://www.mahalo.com/Mozilla_Firefox_4 wtf?? [02:17] firebird619: awsome, I just finished installing slackware64. :) [02:17] i thought 3 is underdevelopment...theres a 4 on the go..;) nicioooo [02:18] interesting... I will just check out the 'all pages' [02:18] tecky, am now [02:18] chopp: Great. I'd be doing that too if I had 64bit hardware. That sure was shocking/amazing news. [02:18] nix_lix3r: hello, how are you? [02:18] better now that im home [02:18] i was just having a shit all day [02:18] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:19] So what happens to slamd64 i wonder [02:19] superGear: yeah I was thinking of fred myself. [02:20] or that other 64bit bw64 or smthin [02:20] thebigh (n=herbert@adsl-99-163-92-28.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:21] man, tough crowd in here tonight [02:21] you just joined [02:21] maybe... I was talking, but I think I got d/c [02:22] I once added a couple editors to the editors page... what I do not see there is cat, but I have read people used to use it as an editor [02:22] you stopped talking like 20 mins ago [02:22] weird [02:23] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:23] [00:00] i was just on a server that had them all <-- was the last thing you said [02:23] oh, I just thought everyone went to sleep [02:23] nope [02:23] agentc0re, I don't see anywhere that Slackware64 is non-multilib [02:23] just your connection [02:24] meh, I should get some sleep anyway, nite everyone [02:24] thebigh (n=herbert@adsl-99-163-92-28.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:24] current64 doesn't appear multilib [02:25] i could be wrong tho [02:25] I think alienBob may have said it is not, and he is on the dev team [02:25] dchmelik, okay [02:25] Arirang: that was talked about here earlier, it is not multilib, but the possibility is there. [02:26] he or Alan (who is quite smart) said so, IIRC [02:26] firebird619, okie [02:26] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:26] I hope I am remembering that wrong and it is though [02:26] we changing to the slack64.. or we can continue with 32? [02:26] if you need multilib use slamd64 for the time being [02:26] I guess I'll just have to go with Slamd64 then [02:26] Yeah, I use Crossover Linux, so I need it [02:27] The-Croupier: slackware will have 32 and 64bit i am guessing [02:27] you could try installing its compatibility packages if Slackware64 is 64-bit only [02:27] (I mean the Slamd64 compatibility packages) [02:27] I'm sure someone with make compat packages eventually [02:30] what do you mean??? [02:30] letmein (n=letmein@d199-74-168-16.try.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "Leaving" [02:30] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@petrostsi1.ath.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Java user signed off" [02:34] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:35] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [02:35] superGear, it is multilib. I mean it uses /lib64 for 64-bit libs, also you can see in the gcc slackbuild that the --disable-multilib is not used ;) [02:39] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-164-37.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:39] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:40] http://www.biotele.com/facts.html [02:40] 25 watts on average [02:43] good, I must have been confused about who said it is not... it did seem multilib to me [02:44] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:46] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.173) joined ##slackware. [02:46] antiwire: I'll have to read it later, too busy compiling slackbuilds for my shiney new slackware64. ;) [02:46] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [02:46] I lack EM64t [02:47] antiwire: it has one mistake... short-term memory is 5 - 9 thoughts, not necessarily just 7 [02:47] lol [02:48] I don't often remember more than two dreams [02:48] you could if you observed them regularly [02:48] I guess I should eat more blueberries [02:50] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:50] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nootropic [02:53] Vach, the voice, could be a nootropic herb [02:55] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:56] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89C65.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:56] morning [02:56] y0 slackytude, how's it going? [02:57] slackytude, it'll be morning in 4 minutes [02:57] hehe [02:57] greetings firebird619. not so well today. kinda ill today. how are you doing? [02:57] Arirang, you live in the past! [02:57] heh [02:57] slackytude: sorry to here that. I'm doing very well, thanks. It got to 93 F here today, and really windy. [02:58] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:58] firebird619, thats pretty hot. we have had a lot of nice sunny days recently. around 25 - 28 C most of the time [02:58] firebird619, you gonna hit the beach? [02:58] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-40-159-71.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:58] haha, no. [02:59] evening everyone :) [02:59] Hi lf4 [02:59] Hey firebird619 how was your day? [02:59] slackytude: I was going through my emails in opera tonight seeing if I seen any oddities like you were having. What exactly was happening again? [02:59] lf4: my day was great, thanks. yours? [03:00] Mine was nice and uneventfull at work which is the best. :) [03:00] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) joined ##slackware. [03:01] does there exist an official packaging of lyx? I was frankly surprised that it isn't in the default installation [03:01] Nick change: judequinn -> usus12jari [03:03] firebird619, opera drops some attachments. I was getting a website, that is some html files and a css file and the css file didnt show and I couldnt save it [03:03] c0r3 (n=enigma@222.172.214.79) joined ##slackware. [03:03] oh, I couldn't remember exactly. :P [03:03] s/oh/oh yeah/ [03:04] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [03:05] hello, i've read of slackware 64 [03:05] slackytude: I'll have to test that, I can send a site from gmail and see if I get everything. You're on 9.64 with this happening? [03:05] sounds awesome [03:05] firebird619, yeah [03:05] c0r3, you mean slamd64 ? [03:05] slackytude: Oh yeah, you didn't hear the news, read the topic. Slackware64 current was released today. [03:06] slackytude: it's for amd only? [03:06] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-40-159-71.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:06] firebird619,O_o oy! [03:06] c0r3: He didn't know about slackware64, no slamd64 isn't only for amd [03:07] slackytude: Excellent news eh? [03:07] which Nvidia driver for Asus 6200 Geforce? [03:07] firebird619: so i can install it on intel 64bit cpu? [03:07] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:07] firebird619, aye :D [03:07] c0r3: yes [03:07] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:07] firebird619: cool, and what about the drivers? [03:07] Megaf_ (n=megaf@unaffiliated/megaf) left irc: "Cya" [03:08] firebird619: does it has a good hardware compatibility? [03:08] so what happens to slamd64 now? [03:08] c0r3: I'm not sure about those, I don't run it myself, I don't have 64 bit hardware, so I can't answer that, but maybe someone else here can. [03:08] slackytude: not sure, guess we'll wait and see. [03:09] From the looks of it in here today, many will be sticking with slamd64, at least for now anyway. [03:09] is there any good reason to switch from x86 to 64bit one? [03:10] if you have more than 4gb of ram [03:10] slackytude: improved performance? [03:11] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:11] c0r3, not really, no. the main advantage is larger address space, that is, you can put more ram in it [03:12] slackytude: i think the 64bit kernel do arithmetic faster [03:12] what makes you think so? [03:13] I've heard that before too, I think that was talked about in here too today, but I'm in no position to say for sure. [03:13] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-40-159-71.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:15] slackytude: the bits of registers [03:15] slackytude, it looks as for now, Slackware64 is non-multilib [03:17] Well, there's PAE for 32bit [03:17] z` (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-92-154.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:18] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:18] is slackware 13 coming soon? [03:18] slackytude: haha, I tried sending an e-mail to myself from gmail and I got the good ol Delivery Failed message back. [03:18] nice ;) [03:18] c0r3: Who know. The release schedule is always "When it's ready" We'll have to wait and see. [03:19] wb The-Croupier [03:19] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:19] firebird619, having some net problems ;) nothing unsolvable yet [03:19] ;) [03:20] heh, yeah I seen you've been off and on a few times. :P [03:20] i understand slackware has gone 64...also..i wanted to ask..where are people gonna get pkgs for that? and where are we gona learn more about it? [03:20] firebird619,unavoidably ;) [03:21] Well, there's an annoucement on slackware.com and it's being pushed to mirrors, on a few already afaik. Not sure about pkgs or anything. The SBo template was updated with x86_64 stuff, so I'm not sure, but I'm sure more info will come out soon. This was announced just today._ [03:22] either way, it's a GREAT day to be a slacker. :P [03:22] its always a great day to be a slacker [03:22] ;) [03:22] true [03:22] yep i read it already [03:23] i want to start making some pkgs for the new one as well ;) damn reading never ends ;) [03:23] i guess the packages from slamd64 should work too.. [03:23] Shrp_, is that a guess? or you tried any? [03:23] depends on what the pkg is [03:23] guess [03:23] i havent tried any [03:24] i see... what do we already know about the new slackware...? [03:24] don't expect wine to work on slackware64 :P [03:24] sorry the slackware64 [03:24] superGear: install slack64 then try your slamd pkgs on it and report back :P [03:24] SuperGear, i dont have wine anyway...;) [03:24] c0r3, it just has more, that doesnt mean its faster [03:25] slackbuilds work just fine on slackware64 [03:25] anybody that is using it already? [03:25] slackbuilds should work just fine [03:25] some old ones may need editing [03:25] y0 The-Croupier [03:26] slackytude: I tried sending myself mail with html and css, etc. and it worked fine for me. [03:26] Action: slackytude shrugs [03:26] I'll try to test it out more [03:27] who knows, just another mystery. :P [03:28] Action: slackytude nods [03:28] you know what is a mystery to me... how come i try tomake pkgs..i know how they are done .. the guys even posted a step by step thing like hundreds of times...and they never work..:( what the hell? [03:28] you're doing it wrong. :P [03:29] which rises a question... how can i see if im missing something in my computer...that might be needed to make things work. [03:29] firebird619, cannot be..i copy pasted exactly what the guys said.. [03:29] firebird619: you smell [03:30] i even edited nearly every single slackbuild i have seen in slackbuilds to make something work..and still [03:30] tecky, you smelled that too?! ;) [03:30] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:30] tecky: :( of what? (Do I dare ask?) [03:30] firebird619: ... bird poo! [03:30] lol firebird619 so I got it to go up in res from 1024x768 to 1280x1024 but still wont go higher :P [03:30] /runs [03:31] lf4: How'd you get it to go to 1280x1024? [03:31] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-92-154.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: No route to host [03:31] tecky: sure you're not just smelling yourself? [03:31] alright, i'm downloading 'Windows 7 RC' so that the wife can try it on her laptop since she's bitching about vista, soo wish me luck that it fails and I can push linux on the laptop as a fix to the problems! [03:32] firebird619: I added "1280x1024" to the xorg.conf subsection "Display" [03:32] firebird619: hmm, I'm thinking no on that one sir [03:32] what if she says... well..put vista back on they seemed ok ;) [03:32] lf4: does your gfx card support higher? [03:32] tecky: yes, it does [03:32] tecky: Yes I was running at 1680x1050 [03:33] lf4: that's my same native resolution. [03:33] fidesratio (n=fidesrat@80-42-247-12.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [03:33] lf4: when did the card stop functioning at 1680x* [03:33] lol after I rebooted :P [03:33] fidesratio (n=fidesrat@80-42-247-12.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [03:33] lf4: what's the connection type, vga, dvi, what? [03:33] last night [03:33] vga [03:33] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:33] lf4: yeah, and after FF crashed. [03:33] :P [03:33] what did you do prior to rebooting [03:33] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux [03:33] true haha [03:33] The-Croupier: hrm, lets not think about that one right now.... I'm going to cross that road when I get to it [03:33] The-Croupier: FF crashed [03:33] FF locked up and I was trying to kill it with htop [03:33] so he restarted [03:34] wtf? [03:34] haha yeah no kidding [03:34] you kill a app ... and you reboot ? [03:34] why'd you reboot? [03:34] lf4, why reboot [03:34] cuz nothing worked? [03:34] tecky: it was not dying [03:34] FF wouldn't die so he sacraficed xorg [03:34] zombied and I could not kill it. [03:34] have you tried uninstalling ff? [03:34] :( FF is undead [03:35] haha firebird619 good way of putting it [03:35] :) [03:35] lf4: have you tried uninstalling FF? [03:35] lf4: was it worth it? [03:35] lf4, is ff still working/ [03:35] lol firebird619 you know it.. ;) learning experiance :D [03:35] lf4: did you try, as root, kill -9 [03:35] to kill FF [03:35] The-Croupier: yes FF still works but now my xorg is stuck at not going higher then 1280x1024 XD [03:35] and how on earth did it edit xorg..from just kill-restart [03:36] firebird619: yep [03:36] lf4: and it still wouldn't die. OUCH [03:36] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-159-125.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:36] I have no clue which is what I am trying to figure out. [03:36] morning frullet. :) [03:36] lf4, why not uninstall...and check it out..;) maybe its using something and making it do whatever [03:36] then if the same happens just reinstall..wouldnt take long anyway [03:36] lf4: you sure got yourself into a mess [03:36] The-Croupier: I'll do that :) [03:36] lf4: do me this, uninstall FF, try again, if it still causes a problem uninstall Xorg and reinstall, sounds like a hook is not reading your max rez right [03:37] tecky, ;) [03:37] tecky: will do :) thats what a co-worker said as well to uninstall and reinstall xorg. [03:37] ya [03:37] tecky: good work, now go watch abby. :P [03:37] on the other hand..there has been no app that i havent killed yet [03:37] firebird619: hey buddy [03:37] firebird619: already did :o [03:37] frullet: hey, how's it going? [03:38] tecky: watch again? [03:38] The-Croupier: next time if there ever will be one I will video it haha [03:38] firebird619: cant complain, yourself? [03:38] firebird619: i gotta go change pants now :X [03:38] doing great, thank you. [03:38] tecky: oh man, tmi (to much information) :P [03:38] dchmelik1 (n=d@66.243.232.150) joined ##slackware. [03:38] lf4, you will video the killing...?? you are sick .. [03:38] firebird619: you know you liked it! >.< [03:39] The-Croupier: lol [03:39] lf4: i still dont understand your logic in rebooting if a FF instance locked up... but alas [03:39] tecky: If FF wasn't killable, sometimes the only thing to do is restart. [03:39] I've had that happen before, back when I used FF. [03:40] again... i have this laptop.(toshiba.) trying to install "something" to it... :( but when i start it..it cannot stay on for more than 1minute..it just shuts down... [03:40] firebird619: FF is always killable its just a matter of digging into the problem to find the pid [03:40] but I didn't have to sacrafice xorg. :P [03:40] lf4: What did you use to kill it, the pid or just firefox? [03:40] The-Croupier: now thats some funny shit right there [03:40] lol [03:40] comp_ (n=comp_@82.79.96.11) joined ##slackware. [03:40] tecky, you dont need to find pid ;) killall firefox.bin [03:40] it always worked for me [03:40] bagh i use pid's [03:41] I exited complete out of X and then tried killing it with killall kill -9 and pkill even htop [03:41] shmalu (i=shmalu@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/x-62157bb60de07869) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:41] nothing worked lol [03:41] but if killall doesn't work, you can use kill -9 pid [03:41] The-Croupier: for i in $(pgrep firefox); do kill -HUP $i; done [03:41] tecky, me too if really needed [03:41] The-Croupier: kill -9 *pid* [03:41] lf4: did you use kill -9 pid of ff? [03:41] yes [03:41] never needed to use any of those..im happy with my version :P [03:41] but thanks [03:41] lol it really stumped me why i could not kill it even as root [03:41] I always use "ps aux | grep app_name_here" and then kill -9 "pid_here" [03:41] lf4, that usually how you kill things [03:41] cuz you typo'd it? [03:41] so I figured a reboot would work and well it did kill FF along with Xorg XD [03:42] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.150) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:42] you are god,root [03:42] root, god, what is difference? [03:42] Urchlay something missing there [03:42] Urchlay: morning / evening / afternoon sir [03:42] lf4: I've had that happen before, there really are some times when the ONLY way to fix it is restart. [03:42] hola tecky, croupier, firebird, everyone [03:42] Hello Urchlay, how are you? [03:42] Urchlay "The-Croupier" still a synonim [03:42] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) left irc: Connection timed out [03:42] y0 Urchlay [03:42] Urchlay: tired :X [03:43] hiya Urchlay [03:43] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:43] can't easily kill zombie processes [03:43] I'm puzzled. Got a cable modem that I can't decide whether it's really cool or really annoying [03:43] well, cant kill them at all, actually [03:43] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [03:43] it has batteries [03:43] slackytude: nope, you sure can't. [03:43] Urchlay, O_o [03:43] i'm waiting for nix_lix3r to talks, so i can dream about abby again :\ [03:43] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [03:43] Urchlay, ask it ;) [03:43] Urchlay: what, batteries. [03:43] meaning you can't do the "please to power cycling the cablemodem" easily [03:43] but whats so annoying about it [03:44] the batteries are either cool or annoying, I haven't decided which [03:44] Urchlay: is a 'aris' ? [03:44] tecky: earlier you said nix_lix3r alives?. She responded later with "am now" but you weren't around. :P [03:44] well, what is the annoying part? [03:44] firebird619, he was chasing zobies [03:44] zombies [03:44] firebird619: yah, got into a arguement with the significant other and had to deal with things [03:45] annoying part is, when the cable dies, the only thing possible to do is power cycle the thing... which requires half taking it apart to remove the batteries [03:45] tecky: over abby? [03:45] unplug the AC power, and it keep working [03:45] tecky: dunno, one sec [03:45] firebird619: of course, she refuses to let me use the cardboard cutout during sex :\ [03:45] Urchlay: Well that's both cool and annoying at the same time. :P [03:45] haha [03:45] Urchlay, oops [03:45] hmm, it's made by RCA [03:46] Urchlay, does the cable die often..? [03:46] fairly old looking too [03:46] if it does that once a year i suppose its not that annoying.. [03:46] The-Croupier: not really... the crappy little wireless router dies pretty often, but not the cable or cablemodem [03:46] today's the first time in 2 months [03:47] Urchlay, wait for another 2months and see how long thats gonna take to die [03:47] ;) if it doesnt than i suppose decide if its worth the hussle to keep it or not [03:47] the downside of renting a room from someone is, you're basically stuck with their equipment [03:47] Urchlay: I have a 'aris' modem for our 'digital phone' from Time Warner that completely sucks, you cant power it off due to a "battery backup" pack built into the modem, its next to impossible to power cycle the modem, have to push in a button with a needle and hold it for 20 seconds while the power cable is removed from the back (which i might add has a tight clip on holder to hold the cable in place while its inserted into the modem) [03:48] tecky: yuck. Worse than a laptop even. [03:48] /end_of_flame [03:48] Urchlay: you have no idea! [03:48] well I have *some* idea at least [03:48] Urchlay..shoot [03:48] Urchlay, whats the point of a cable modem with batteries? I mean if you dont have power, what do you need a cable modem for [03:48] Urchlay: i made them give me another modem for my cable line just cuz i was sick of dealing with the issues on that specific modem -- make & model [03:49] slackytude: well, everything else is on a UPS [03:49] slackytude: it's like battery backup on, like an answering machine, if the power dies, it keeps going. :P [03:49] Urchlay: so currently i have the 'aris' modem for digital phone + moto. surfboard for internet [03:49] I wonder why Slackintosh is not listed at slackware.com [03:50] tecky: that's what I have for cable modem, Motorola Surfboard [03:50] I guess the cablemodem having built-in batteries means it doesn't have to be plugged into the UPS? *shrug* [03:50] dchmelik1: cause it's not an official slackware port [03:50] Urchlay: *nod*, but still [03:50] dchmelik1: in fact I think slackintosh hasn't been updated in 5+ years [03:50] Urchlay: it hasn't [03:51] hmph [03:51] well, last update was for 12.1 in 2008. [03:51] I stand corrected. :P [03:51] ah, that's not so horribly outdated as I thought it was [03:51] might be thinking of splack [03:51] but anyway..... [03:51] heh, me either, I thought it was much older than that. [03:52] nix_lix3r: talks to me! [03:52] motorola surfboard ;) what is good about that? tecky, Urchlay [03:52] at one time I was doing a 64-bit-native slack for the mac G5, but never finished it [03:52] The-Croupier: its a generic modem? [03:53] The-Croupier: I think they are just well known cable modems. I don't know that there's anything about them being better than other ones, but I don't know. [03:53] I have a motorola surfboard. The ISP ones were crap though. [03:53] speaking about ports, anybody got experience with armed slack? [03:53] Urchlay: at one point i was doing a internet connection with 2 styrofoam cups and a rope, but i abandoned it for a tinfoil hat and a pair of 'pull-ups' underwear [03:53] im looking for one..cos i have some siemens crap..it does nothing [03:54] tecky: smoke signals... [03:54] The-Croupier: Motorola's are considered good ones, just get one and be happy. :P [03:54] im supposed to sync at 24mbps and i do at 12mbps [03:54] The-Croupier: mmm obviously it does something if your here talking to us? [03:54] whoa [03:55] tecky, im at work :P [03:55] armedslack is offical port too now? [03:55] Urchlay: already tried it, fscking wind off the adarondack mountians is a pain [03:55] nothing of the kind here ;) [03:55] imagine that [03:55] slackytude: Hm, I was just reading that with opera mail, every search you do for an e-mail is stored in searches. I'm trying to find that now, I don't see it. :P [03:55] The-Croupier: and? doesn't mean that there cant be a 'accident' [03:55] slackytude: so I've read. Currently I have nothing to run it on though (I don't suppose armedslack will run on a nintendo DS, even though the DS does have an ARM...) [03:55] tecky, what kind? [03:56] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [03:56] The-Croupier: 'woops, i fell and pulled a 500lb safe on top of the cable modem, looks like we're going to need to replace it after all!' [03:56] Urchlay, I have nothing to run it on either. But maybe if there will be a fancy arm netbook [03:56] I want my slack [03:56] splack? armedslack? [03:56] slackytude: and i want free bear and cheap sluts! [03:56] dchmelik1: splack = slackware for 32-bit sparc. AFAIK, not updated since version 8.0 [03:57] tecky: what would you do with your fiancee then? ;P [03:57] tecky, do do I [03:57] tecky, kindo of impossible... i have it on a desk, in a locked room ;) i hardly go in there (unless theres a problem) and really hard to fall on it ;) or cables..( i put all the cables on the back) really hard to reach [03:57] tecky, so do I [03:57] firebird619: use cardboard cutouts during our love making sessions and improve on the quality of life by moving out and in w/ abby ? [03:58] heh, wish I'd hung on to one of those stupid cobalt cubes, would do a mips-slack port [03:58] tecky: s/bear/beer :P [03:58] so whats the best way to configure xorg? X -configure, xorgconfig or xorgsetup? [03:58] cardboard cutouts during love making session? wtf [03:58] lf4: X -configure imho. That's what I use anyway. [03:58] Urchlay: i have a cube2 + (x2) raq2 [03:59] slackytude, cardboard cutouts inn the shape of a slap..for better slapping :p [03:59] lol [03:59] slackytude: He's obsessed with abby (goth looking girl) on the NCIS tv show. He wants a cardboard cutout of her, but the fiancee won't allow it. [03:59] The-Croupier: haha [03:59] I like abby as well [03:59] firebird619: ya ya, i'm tired and mad about abby not being here :( [03:59] lol [03:59] one of the main reasons for watching NCIS [03:59] indeed [03:59] tecky: go out to California and find her. I'll watch the news and wait for you to get arrested for stalking. [03:59] gotta go... have a look..and think about that modem being replaced..;) [03:59] she 'is' the reason to watch NCIS [03:59] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [03:59] The-Croupier, bye [04:00] heey [04:00] Later The-Croupier [04:00] bbl [04:00] y0 compl3x [04:00] ;) [04:00] The-Croupier: lies and slander! [04:00] OH NO, it's compl3x [04:00] Action: firebird619 runs [04:00] firebird619: :p [04:00] tecky :P [04:00] How's it going compl3x? [04:00] compl3x: your missing a . [04:00] its time for me to get my Slack pipe and stash and take 64 hits because bash is 64 bits [04:00] compl3x: just thought i'd share w/ you :P [04:00] firebird619: good good- wondering if ive mised anything since the 64 release -- you? [04:01] compl3x: doing great, thanks. [04:01] tank-man: missed a . where? [04:01] tab completion FAIL [04:01] tacky* [04:01] compl3x: your dns reverse? [04:01] tecky* [04:01] stupid tab completion fail! [04:01] 3rd times the charm :P [04:01] wow seriously [04:02] tecky: your cube doing anything? [04:02] tecky: I dont have a clue what your on about buddy - i just woke up [04:02] Urchlay: it sits here and collects dust? [04:02] compl3x: you're not the only one who's clueless as to what he just said. :P [04:02] unfortunately so do a lot of my old weird machines... got maybe 10 sparcstations, an indy, a couple of HP pa-risc boxes, all in storage :( [04:03] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:03] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-159-125.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [04:04] slack for pa-risc would be easy to get going, there's already debian for it, so I'd be able to start building slack packages with that [04:04] KillerV` (i=1000@bhe201062167174.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [04:05] one day there needs to be Slackware on a calculator [04:05] do they even make calculators any more? [04:05] lol [04:05] yeah, sure do. [04:05] with real CPUs in them? [04:05] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-159-125.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:06] Urchlay: you can probably install Slack on them! ;) [04:06] not sure, maybe some of the graphing calculators. [04:06] wb frullet [04:06] they made some with M68K [04:06] KillerV (n=unlimite@bhe201062167174.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:06] Urchlay: I'm still trying to decide what to do w/ my Raq2's, I was using them for DNS Server's however now that I dont have a static IP on this end ... its a little worthless i suppose :X [04:06] they run gcc [04:06] moblin looks nice [04:07] http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2009/05/hands-on-intel-brings-rich-ui-to-moblin-linux-platform.ars/3 [04:07] Urchlay: what i'd like to get my hands on is a working sparcstation + monitor [04:07] tecky: well I have more sparcstations than I know what to do with [04:08] hmmm working order? [04:08] only have one of the weird monitors they use, *but* for about $20 you can get an adaptor to let them use a regular PC monitor [04:08] ya i always hated that fact [04:08] all but one of them worked before going into storage [04:09] you know what stats ? any photo's? [04:09] but some of 'em might not have any RAM or hard drives any more, have to check & see [04:09] there's a sparcstation 20 there with dual ross hypersparc 125MHz and 192M of RAM [04:09] most of them are 10's, with the stock ss10 CPU [04:10] (that CPU, you can't run two of, even though there are two CPU slots on the board) [04:10] no photos, but I could go take some I suppose [04:11] heh [04:11] i'd thought about using one as a fun box [04:11] i dont think i'd know what to do w/ one if i had it, other than look at it and go, its a sparc! [04:12] did I tell you guys about me java coder mate? [04:12] who now, somehow, has to write csh scripts in IRIX unix? [04:13] on an 8year old SGI machine [04:13] ugh [04:13] and he has no clue about linux, nevermind unix [04:13] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:13] http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/ [04:14] slackytude: that 8 year old box? [04:14] Urchlay, yeah, people told me ^-^ [04:14] compl3x, huh? [04:14] slackytude: nvm - still waking up [04:14] ^-^ [04:17] IRIX also has about the worst security track record of any commercial UNIX [04:17] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [04:17] i do not see why they do not call it sgirix [04:17] still, Id like to see it. they used to be pretty expensive [04:18] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.78.94) joined ##slackware. [04:18] Urchlay: wtf are you doing w/ so many sparcstations? doorstops? [04:18] and the whole company uses lotus notes apparently [04:18] comp_ (n=comp_@82.79.96.11) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [04:19] gnaa this is way to early [04:19] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:19] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:20] tecky: well I bought a couple of them, and people gave me some [04:20] amiralul (n=quassel@86.122.14.1) joined ##slackware. [04:20] amiralul (n=quassel@86.122.14.1) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:20] 8 years ago I had a job where I needed to know a little solaris, so it was useful to have a sparcstation [04:20] Well, time for me to get going. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. Take care. :) [04:21] rucinter (n=quassel@86.122.14.1) joined ##slackware. [04:21] see ya firebird619 [04:21] enjoy the weather ^-^ [04:21] adios, fbird [04:21] Bye firebird619 [04:21] see ya slackytude. I will. :) [04:21] later Urchlay [04:21] bye compl3x [04:21] haha laters :p [04:21] hmm think i need a restart - laggy as hell here [04:21] brb guys [04:21] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "leaving" [04:21] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [04:22] Slackware should take over on PS3 [04:23] and supercomputers [04:24] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [04:24] hey guys [04:26] wb compl3x [04:26] :) [04:27] unixfool (i=4421c1cc@about/slackware/wigglit) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:29] umislack (i=1000@58.64.91.225) left irc: "leaving" [04:29] black crawling systems was a fun archive [04:32] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: "Java user signed off" [04:34] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:35] zx10k1 (n=nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) joined ##slackware. [04:36] electricsheep ftw! [04:36] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.173) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:37] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Client Quit [04:39] too bad philip k. dick isn't alive to see the answer to his famous question [04:39] "do androids dream of electric sheep?" [04:39] lol never heard of electric sheep until the upgrade last night - *googles* [04:39] oh a screensaver [04:39] it the basis for blsde runner afaik [04:39] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:39] yeah [04:39] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [04:39] compl3x, *the* screensaver i'd rather say [04:40] ;) [04:40] zx10k1: haha whats so famous about it? [04:40] nothing, i just think it's great [04:40] zx10k1: fair enough [= [04:41] it's another example of the great things one can acomplish when combining art with technology [04:41] imho [04:41] I used to like k. dick but the book I bought recently is kinda crap [04:41] i like the screensaver, but I prefer demos [04:41] see also blinkenlights, le machine and the l.a.s.e.r. tag [04:42] they are all fabulous projects [04:42] I dont use screensavers - whenever im away for my pc for a while i just turn my monitors off - Save some power ;) [04:42] me too actually hahah [04:42] seems pointless [04:42] same for alan dean foster. I really enjoyed Alien but I was kinda disappointed by his more recent szuff [04:44] yeah I just blank the screen... but is electric sheep also for GNU/Linux? [04:45] dchmelik1, it's been added to current, so yes it is [04:46] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c253e159efce2c4c) joined ##slackware. [04:46] anything significantly noticable in the mplayer update? [04:49] it can play videos now [04:49] it could before o.0 [04:50] true [04:50] rucinter (n=quassel@86.122.14.1) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:51] Action: alienBOB waves [04:51] hey alienBOB [= [04:52] viper (n=lars@login.linpro.no) joined ##slackware. [04:54] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [04:56] alienBOB, can we talk in pv? [04:56] arny, sure [05:00] congrats for te slackware64 release :) [05:01] sid77: +1 [05:01] i looked at it...think i'll stick with fred's smald64 for now [05:01] yeah, nice work [05:01] I plan on giving it a whirl tonight.. [05:03] what will happen to freds version now [05:04] That is up to fred and his friends [05:04] slackytude: it'll likely to keep going, as an unofficial mirror, at least for now [05:04] right [05:04] Or they would come help with builds for slackware64 [= [05:05] compl3x: not as likely at first [05:05] I also noticed today that armedslack is now an offical port [05:05] well, since april aparently [05:05] tecky, hai [05:05] slackintosh would be nice brought under the official fold as well [05:08] yosii: eheh [05:09] i noticed something my doctor pointed out a few times like i zone out and kinda snap back to it. they call them petite mal seizures and are harmless [05:09] but i've noticed it and so have others [05:09] i never remember when they happen [05:10] nix_lix3r: yeah I get that - however not as bad [05:10] wow, slackware64 0_0 i thought it'll be like a couple of years more till Pat comes out with this. well i know it's actually Eric but still.... [05:11] it's just so strange it's kinda like i forget to breath for 30seconds or something [05:11] nix_lix3r, funky shit [05:12] totally [05:13] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.44) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:18] i know i won't be using slackware64 in the near future but thanks alienBOB, it's a great thing! [05:18] y0 slava_dp [05:19] slackytude, o/ [05:19] _unixfool (i=y2k@20.Red-88-25-179.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [05:19] slava_dp, how are you doing? [05:20] nix_lix3r: going to bed ... i'll chat w/ you later, or tonight [05:20] 420 [05:20] woo [05:20] oh dar [05:20] erm dear** [05:20] /wave [05:21] hi [05:21] *detached* [05:21] and you wonder what the minute long daydreams come from? [05:21] rofl [05:22] no i'm pretty sure this has been happening since i was a kid it explains a lot [05:22] obviously that doesn't help [05:22] _unixfool (i=y2k@20.Red-88-25-179.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left ##slackware. [05:22] nix_lix3r: I knew this guy who has what you have - it was caused from medecine when he was younger - witch was later banned [05:22] nix_lix3r: so if you took any specific medacine when you were younger - could explain it [05:23] i wonder if i should go to the clinic and really get diagnosed or to see if it's jus a bonified brain fart [05:24] they won't even try to figure it out for you if they detect weed in your system [05:24] they'll tell you to stop smoking for 6 months and report back [05:24] i know sleep deprivation has a lot to do with me having a diaper next to me and not remembering i've changed him [05:24] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-69-31.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:26] speaking of i really wish he would wake up so i can see him again before he passes out for another 7hrs [05:28] tecky, i killed the chan. night night [05:30] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [05:30] Whats the default password for vsftp's anon login? [05:32] for anon login, any email [05:32] same for all ftp servers [05:33] ok :) i've never used anon logins before (always had an account with the ftp servers I accessed). Thanks slackytude [05:33] np [05:38] hey :) [05:39] o/ [05:39] \o [05:39] y0 Camarade_Tux [05:39] hmmm, I should escape that basckslash : \\o [05:39] yoyo slackytude :) [05:39] Hey Camarade_Tux [05:40] I can't get how lwn.net doesn't already mention slackware64 ;p [05:40] hi compl3x :) [05:40] hrm [05:41] /dev/hda: [05:41] using_dma = 0 (off) [05:42] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: "sleeping now" [05:44] KillerV` (i=1000@bhe201062167174.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [05:44] at least you'll have some time to cancel an accidental r m -rf of your slash :) [05:47] Camarade_Tux, salut toi :) [05:48] lu' The_Faithful :) [05:48] Camarade_Tux, j'espere que ca derange pas si on parle francais ici :P [05:49] hmmm, en fait si / actually it does [05:49] lol [05:49] donc on arrete.. hahhaa [05:49] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [05:51] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-159-125.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:51] skynet is not so bright actually : http://www.gfilter.net/junk/humancasualties.png [05:51] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-26-251.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:51] maybe its a percentage [05:51] heh [05:53] whoa... slackware64 actually exists as an official slackware? /me dances [05:53] slackytude, I think it is. [05:53] Action: Camarade_Tux takes pictures of Urchlay dancing [05:53] indeed Urchlay [05:53] it's so hot outside... [05:53] but just the -current for now [05:53] and sunny [05:54] could Urchlay be the next numa numa... hmmm.... :) [05:54] heh, every time I dance, it rains [05:54] god cries [05:54] when you dance [05:54] hundreds of years ago, among my ancestors, this was a useful ability [05:54] lol [05:54] these days it's just annoying [05:54] haha [05:54] sort of , like your appendix [05:55] one way or another, slackware64 will make you stay at home on your computer ;) [05:55] yeah, except less likely to cause infections [05:55] well, if you are wet all the time... [05:55] only when I try to dancve [05:55] s/v// [05:55] generally speaking, I have to be pretty damn drunk to try it [05:57] nfway!! [05:57] eh, hmmm. slackware64 looks like it doesn't do multilib :( [05:58] someone please correct me if I'm wrong (I hope I am) [05:58] Urchlay, no it doesn't [05:58] just yesterday i noticed a script with /usr/lib${LIBSUFFIX}/ [05:58] hehe :p [05:58] bleah. In that case I shall be sticking with slamd64 a while longer [06:00] slamd64 will stay there as long as I don't format but I will use slackware32 and slackware64 for projects too :p [06:00] isnt this eventually gonna putm fred out of a job? [06:00] unless maybe vbox-ose supports 64-bit guest OSes (I thought it didn't though) [06:00] there are a shit-ton of slackbuild scripts that assume x86_64 means to use /usr/lib64 [06:00] Urchlay: does [06:00] Urchlay, it does PROVIDED THAT your cpu does too [06:01] have Win764 on vbox-ose on slack [06:01] not that ive booted it more than once [06:01] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:01] (needs VT for intel and Idon'trememberwhat for amd, but nearly all amd cpus have it) [06:01] Camarade_Tux: well I'm running a 64-bit OS right now... anything over & above that need to be supported by the CPU? [06:01] let me find what to grep for in /proc/cpuinfo [06:02] Vbox WILL run a 64bit OS on a 32bit cpu [06:02] err i think .. suddenly doubts cree pin [06:02] egrep '(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo [06:02] Zordrak, it won't afaict [06:02] i think i have a 64bit cpu with 32 bit slack on it akshually [06:03] I have a 64bit cpu - but never bother with 64bit os's [06:03] the lack of multilib is kinda disappointing actually. Unless there's some other usable solution for running 32-bit binaries (and no I don't mean a chroot) [06:03] Zordrak, yeah, 64bit runs 32bit apps but the other way round doesn't work ;) [06:03] Urchlay [06:03] Camarade_Tux: no.. i dont mean that [06:03] slakcware64 uses /lib64 [06:03] compl3x, then you don't know electricsheep/flam3 would run 30-50% faster on 64bit :) [06:03] so its kinda miltilib :) [06:03] Camarade_Tux: I dont use them. [06:03] Tyrael: ahhhh. So I could install e.g. the c/ series from slamd64 [06:04] compl3x, they are the most important apps in the whole world ! [06:04] yes Urchlay [06:04] pretty pictures ! :) [06:04] rockin' [06:04] so it's maybe best described as "multilib-capable" or "multilib-ready" [06:04] eh, neither one quite means what I want, I think [06:05] Urchlay: my intirpretation is it IS multilib.. it just doesnt need any 32bit libs in the default install [06:06] it's multilib, but with only one class of lib [06:06] so it's a monomultilib [06:07] zlinux[] (n=zlinux@79.172.142.247) left irc: Connection timed out [06:07] zlinux[] (n=zlinux@79.172.168.206) joined ##slackware. [06:08] tell you what though [06:08] i think it's the first time Pat has publigly said "Slackware 13" [06:08] it also means "not in 12.x" ;) [06:09] 13, eh. i think it's time to update that 10.2 :P [06:09] how old is your /etc/slackware-version ? [06:09] it cant be too far away... i reckon he,ll prolly wait for kde 4.3 which is due soon and once it's all happy.... he'll nail 13 [06:09] just speculation [06:09] Camarade_Tux: Sep 11 2005 ? :) [06:10] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [06:10] stybla, not that old actually ;p [06:10] stybla: I have that running on an old laptop lol [06:10] Zordrak, and I guess a newer X in 13.1 [06:10] s/guess/guess and hope/ [06:12] Camarade_Tux: dunn then :) [06:12] +o [06:13] I meant you could keep your 10.2, it's not old :p [06:13] doesn't *need* any, but apparently also doesn't ship with any (or anyway I haven't found any so far. Still poking around the ftp server tho) [06:14] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.26.145) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:14] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("()"). [06:15] Camarade_Tux: hw is going to be replaced soon, so - i can't. i also can't update kernel anymore, unless updating udev and so on... ;) [06:16] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.26.145) joined ##slackware. [06:17] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:17] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [06:18] Urchlay: there is no 32bit package in slackware64 [06:18] You can add those easily [06:18] alienBOB: Thank you from me and everyone I know for your hard work [06:19] I expect people to step up and verify that the slamd64 C/ series for instance works with Slackware64 [06:19] just like always :) [06:19] Zordrak: :-) [06:20] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-83-16.ip37.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [06:21] alienBOB: yah, I'll be testing that out myself [06:21] eric h. = you, right? [06:21] >.< [06:21] No :p [06:22] stybla, it's pretty sure that you'd have problems with newer hardware :p [06:22] Me yes [06:22] Action: Urchlay buys alienBOB a beer [06:22] or something. Anyway, many thanks [06:22] Camarade_Tux: ;) whatever. it got messy by the time, so fresh install - ummm :) [06:23] Hakudoshi (i=supergea@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [06:23] I usually don't upgrade, I just wipe everything so it cleans what I did :D [06:24] oh, Ctrl+Shift+T doesn't reopen last closed tab anymore in ff... I hate ff [06:24] (or there was something under my Shift key, I don't really know >< = [06:25] gotta go [06:25] see ya [06:25] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89C65.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [06:25] Camarade_Tux: as i said, everything gets replaced. i'll just scp configs and some data. [06:25] and neither do i. i do upgrade workstation at max :) [06:26] alienBOB: how do you find the time to put SO much work into Slackware, but yet still earn cash and live a life? [06:28] alienBOB: I'll be looking into that, + multilib compilers :p [06:30] Zordrak, maybe http://qdb.us/296968 :D [06:30] Action: Camarade_Tux runs [06:31] fred, good ;-) [06:31] hm, think I used to work with the guy from that quote [06:31] Zordrak: I do not have a life left. The cash is so-so [06:32] Camarade_Tux: hahahaha [06:32] alienBOB: but you do have some kind of job, right? [06:32] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:32] superGear (i=supergea@71-212-184-180.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [06:32] stybla, first posted by yosii yesterday ;) [06:33] Action: Camarade_Tux poofs back to his code [06:33] hm, why i cant join #php [06:33] and i'm off to make something for lunch, then ldap-brain-lock again :s [06:34] because you hate PHP, and wish it would die? [06:34] oh, wait, that's why I can't join #php. Dunno about you... [06:35] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:35] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) joined ##slackware. [06:35] hm [06:35] why you hate php ? [06:36] I exaggerate [06:36] I don't like PHP all that much, I'd rather use perl [06:36] but "hate" is probably too strong a word [06:36] Woo for perl!! [06:36] (again) [06:36] im forced to love it because i love money ;) [06:36] it=php [06:37] C/PHP ftw :p [06:38] Action: fred writes websites in C++ ¬_¬ [06:38] Action: fred hides [06:38] (most in PHP though) [06:38] Action: compl3x despises stl [06:38] Action: Camarade_Tux could write websites in ocaml :) [06:38] Action: compl3x shoots Camarade_Tux [06:39] Action: Camarade_Tux dodges the bullets and shoots back [06:39] compl3x: I use Qt :p [06:39] Action: compl3x dodges the bullet and goes matrix on Camarade_Tux ass' [06:39] Action: Camarade_Tux is Neo and just wins :) [06:39] fred: Havent really played with qt [06:40] Neat things for websites in Qt/C++: a) unix socket access (handy for fastcgi) b) nice SQL database API c) XSLT 2.0 implementation [06:40] the latter only being shared by java and .net [06:40] I guess that's because I haven't done enough C++/Qt but I prefer to stay away from it [06:40] mm [06:41] plus its slot/signal model doesn't suit me, maybe because I find passing functions as parameters to other functions natural [06:42] and one day qt will be useable from ocaml :) [06:42] by 'passing functions' do you mean functors/function pointers/return values of functions? [06:42] giuppy (n=giuppy@host247-163-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:43] Camarade_Tux: gtfo :p [06:43] no matter how much someone's paying me, I don't love stuff just because I'm commanded to... [06:43] PHP is for work, doesn't make it fun [06:44] HOF/higher-order-functions : in C it would be like the fourth parameter for qsort(3) : the comparison function [06:44] < out (too noisy) [06:44] if you need me, you know where to find me [06:44] alphageek (i=rooot@76-10-168-52.dsl.teksavvy.com) left ##slackware ("frobnicate foo!"). [06:45] TClayton (n=CarpFish@nc-76-0-181-126.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. [06:52] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [06:52] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:53] Action: macavity does the 64bit uber 1337 geek dance [06:54] argh. Is there an rsync-able mirror that has slackware64 yet? [06:54] Urchlay: osuosl? [06:54] ftp.slackware.no [06:55] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.44) joined ##slackware. [06:55] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:55] slackware.osuosl.org should have it too [06:56] rockin' [06:56] thanks [06:56] slackware.no doesnt hvae slackware64 yet [06:56] lazy buggers :P [06:56] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:56] macavity: uhhh [06:56] im looking at it right now... [06:56] O_o [06:57] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [06:57] Zordrak: URL?!? [06:57] lol [06:57] ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/linux/slackware/slackware64-current [06:57] lazy buggers... :P [06:57] doo [06:58] macavity: .. [06:58] osuosl it is, then [06:58] i figured it would get its own toplevel [06:59] lets see how long before they get their mondaily slackware64-current-iso up and running :P [06:59] if it dont on slackware.com, it dont on slackware.no [07:00] you probably got a point there :P [07:00] this, uh, might take a while to download... [07:01] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:01] Action: Zordrak waits for a mirror-slackware64-current.sh from the bobmeister [07:01] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:03] what does that script do other than run rsync? does it also create an install DVD for ya? [07:03] Zordrak: I have it on today's TODO list [07:03] Urchlay: it creates ISO images for DVD and/or CDROms yes [07:03] (don't think I actually could use an install DVD iso, my poor old DVD burner is about dead of old age...) [07:04] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:04] CDs I can still burn, usually [07:05] Urchlay: mount -o loop one-file-instead-of-many.iso :) [07:05] alienBOB: Cheers for updating your pxe guide - got it working a treat yesterday [= [07:06] Zordrak: sure, but on the other hand I shouldn't really need an ISO to install from an already-mounted partition... [07:07] anyway I ain't waiting for someone else to do the work for me [07:07] Action: fred stabs snow leopard [07:07] (no offense) [07:07] Never needed dual layer blank DVDs before [07:07] erm, wrong channel :| [07:07] macavity: FWIW i dont totally trust slackware.no's ISOs.. they have their own script and recently it has made some seriously screwed ISOs.. i use bob's script to rsync from them [07:09] Urchlay: i like having an ISO that's more easily portable.. and with bob's script i know i can trust the result [07:09] well, being as I only own one machine capable of running slack64, I'm not too worried about "portable ISOs" [07:10] alienBOB: I rather like the idea of not having to maintain a fork of the updater any more :) [07:10] and all the tagfiles/maketags :) [07:10] one day that'll change, but for now if it works once, it's enough for me... [07:10] s/updater/installer initrd/ [07:11] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-5e8bc4b3c28dcaf9) joined ##slackware. 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[07:13] fair enough [07:13] (not that I'll drop it straight away) [07:13] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:14] fred: does this mean you'll get your life back? [07:14] :D [07:14] though, hand pains gone, so I aim to get slamd64-current back up-to-date this weekend [07:16] fred yes the initrd.img of slackware64 should just work for slamd64 [07:16] hand pain? typing-related? ouch [07:16] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) got netsplit. [07:16] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) got netsplit. [07:16] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) got netsplit. [07:16] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) got netsplit. [07:16] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) got netsplit. [07:16] zounds_ (n=zounds@81-234-214-184-no68.tbcn.telia.com) got netsplit. [07:16] raela (n=raela@205.133.227.98) got netsplit. [07:16] v3gard (n=v3gard@svale.hia.no) got netsplit. 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[08:02] cc helloworld.c -lX11 -ljpeg -o hello && objdump -p hello | grep NEEDED [08:02] that shows libX11.so and libjpeg.so as being strictly needed [08:03] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) joined ##slackware. [08:03] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:03] should ld check whatever the libs are actually needed, or should libtool stop telling ld to link to everything and its grandmother? [08:03] any oppinions? [08:05] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.199.207) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:06] hrrr, if ld did that, it would slow down all linking... I vote for fixing libtool [08:07] in these days of object prelinking and lazy binding, it doesnt matter that much [08:07] (actually nobody's yet explained what libtool actually does that wouldn't be just as easily done by "cc -o executable blah.o blah2.o -lfoo -lbar" [08:07] Urchlay: libtool "unifies the linking process" [08:08] makes it equally a pain in the ass on all systems? [08:08] Urchlay: that is, it amends lack of functionality on brain damaged systems [08:08] Urchlay: AIX comes to mind... [08:08] Urchlay: yes... [08:08] yeah, but it also does break things sometimes on non-damaged systems... [08:09] Ojg (n=Ojg@194.47.150.246) joined ##slackware. [08:09] Urchlay: its sole force is that you dont have to be an expert in the ins and outs of broken/odd/crazy tool chains on obscure systems [08:09] Urchlay: i am *so* glad Qt/KDE does not use libtool [08:10] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.151.99) joined ##slackware. [08:10] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [08:11] Urchlay: Qt has a "primary .so" that links to about 75 smaller .so files.. likewise for kdelibs.. now had both had .la files created, and, say kate, used libtool for linking, kate would link to all of these, including their respective dependencies [08:11] Urchlay: as in, kate would requite stuff like libpng etc [08:11] Urchlay: imagine the *hell* it would be if just one of the support libraries of Qt broke tha ABI >_< [08:12] Urchlay: that would mean recompiling *all* of KDE [08:13] however, if libtool/ld did not exhibit this behaviour, i could really see the usefullness in libtool [08:13] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c253e159efce2c4c) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [08:13] that would make autotools the portability beast that is was intended to be [08:14] "beast" is a good word for autotools [08:14] Action: fred hugs cmake [08:14] you gotta hand it to them... ./configure *is* nice on the end user, and on packagers [08:14] I've looked at using autoconf/automake in my own projects, and concluded that a configure script that's longer than the actual C source is probably overkill :) [08:15] expecially since it integrates so nicely with cross tools [08:15] Urchlay: look at autoscan [08:15] ./configure is nice except when the author of the package did something silly like ignore DESTDIR for part of the project [08:16] well.. braindamage has no remedy yet [08:16] and when people dont go by the docs, oh well :P [08:18] yeah, only autotools is really nice when it comes to cross-compilation :) [08:18] and if libtool wasnt broken, i would wote for translating every .a file to a .la file on all of slackware [08:18] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-159-125.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:19] static archives take up a huge amount of diskspace, but they are so rarely used [08:19] in fact, i have only once used static linking [08:19] *vote [08:19] static can be good [08:19] especially when you compile for windows :D [08:20] I used to build static binaries of z26 and stella for the official binary releases [08:20] Camarade_Tux: yes, but .la files are just as good for that... they just dont take up a ton of diskspace [08:20] that is the one thing that is really lovely about libtool.. it can do static linking using dynamic libraries [08:20] (if it had been up to me though, there would have been no official binary releases...) [08:21] macavity, right [08:22] I'd love a text on .la files and friends and different ways of linking and tools :) [08:23] Camarade_Tux: info libtool [08:23] Camarade_Tux: if you are not a masochist, use konqueror for reading info pages :P [08:23] macavity, I guess it would be better than /usr/bin/info... [08:24] bleah, vi makes a better info reader than the default one [08:24] the info client have a habit of driving people who are used to browsers NUTS [08:24] need some help; does this url sound over-modulated/distorted? http://whuscast.whus.uconn.edu:80/lowrate [08:24] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:24] macavity, info doesn't work with hjkl and that's my main complain ;) [08:25] Camarade_Tux: my complain is that Next and Previous does not correspond to Back and Forth [08:25] macavity, our common complain is that the reader definitely sucks ;-) [08:25] Camarade_Tux: so i hit "back", and end up somewhere completely different then where i came from :P [08:25] macavity, I experienced the same problem [08:25] evening ;) [08:26] the only people I've seen happy with info are emacs'er and they were browsing info pages with emacs [08:26] Camarade_Tux: konqueror fudgeifies info files to work like html files :P [08:26] gnubien, 3KB/s... [08:26] macavity, unfortunately, no konqueror [08:26] here [08:26] afternoon frullet [08:26] Camarade_Tux: luser ;-) [08:27] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:27] Camarade_Tux: does that url play sounds that seem to be distorted/over-modulated? [08:27] macavity, for konqueror or for the 3KB/s ? [08:27] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [08:27] polatov (n=polatov@89.218.151.186) joined ##slackware. [08:28] gnubien, 22KHz :p [08:28] it adds some metallic sound but it's OK [08:28] Camarade_Tux: ok, thanks [08:28] polatov (n=polatov@89.218.151.186) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:28] you hear it's not perfect but I find it ok (and I'm not a native speaker) [08:29] that download rate reminds me of rtc time... [08:29] s/rtc/dial-up/ [08:29] rucinter (n=quassel@86.122.14.1) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:29] Camarade_Tux: do you know what this audio term means? over-modulated? [08:29] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-35-37.lns3.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [08:31] gnubien, not really [08:31] ok, thanks again [08:33] I think it means if you has a vu meter it would be pegged at the top [08:35] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:35] gnubien, I understand the maths but not the vocab ;) [08:37] anyone on 64-current yet? [08:38] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. 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[08:48] all the scripts I've submitted to them either support slamd64 or have a comment stating that they don't... in a few cases that comment got removed though [08:48] Zordrak: our new SBo policy is that where possible you make the script work for i486 as well as x86_64 - only a change in ARCHH= must be needed [08:48] We will not have a separate 64bit repo [08:48] umislack (i=1000@58.64.93.162) joined ##slackware. [08:48] The new template reflects this policy [08:49] http://slackbuilds.org/template.SlackBuild [08:49] alienBOB: stuff that absolutely can't be built on 64-bit (anything using 32-bit asm code for instance), should the slackbuild script check $ARCH and exit? [08:52] alienBOB, will SBo turn to txz as well? [08:54] work begets work :) [08:54] also, no good deed goeth unpunished :) [08:56] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) left irc: "Saliendo" [08:57] gyroscope (n=gyroscop@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [08:57] Zordrak, what does that expression mean? i've seen it before [08:57] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.72.96) joined ##slackware. [08:58] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.26.145) joined ##slackware. [08:59] zx10k1: for SlackBuilds targeted at Slackware 12.2, a .txz package is out of the question. For future submissions I would say, keep .tgz for maximum compatibility. If a user downloads the script she can change the .txz to .txz easily before running it [08:59] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.52) joined ##slackware. [08:59] c0r3 (n=enigma@222.172.214.79) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:59] Urchlay: if you have a 32bit only SlackBuild I would agree to an ARCH check and forced exit [09:00] cool. [09:00] alienBOB, i don't mean for the sb script downloaded but rather the package generated by the SB script [09:01] zx10k1: you'd change that by editing the makepkg line at the bottom, wouldn't you? [09:01] (I suppose in the future there could be a PKGFORMAT={$PKGFORMAT:-tgz} though) [09:01] sure, i'm just wondering which one the default will be [09:01] zx10k1: it's just a phrase.. look up the word begets. it sis a verb 'To Beget' [09:01] Urchlay: good idea :-) [09:02] zx10k1: my guess is, tgz will be the default until 13.0 comes out [09:02] Action: SlackLnx hi \o [09:02] o/ [09:02] Urchlay: i wauld say thats already certain [09:02] of course, it would make no sense to switch before 13 comes out [09:03] 12.2 default == tgz, 13 default == txz [09:03] Zordrak, exatctly that's what i'm talking about [09:03] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.26.145) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:04] unixfool (i=a63a4218@about/slackware/wigglit) joined ##slackware. [09:05] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:05] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [09:05] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) joined ##slackware. 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[09:23] hi [09:23] o/ [09:23] i downloaded 1-st cd [09:23] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-69-31.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [09:24] but i am not find on that disk xorgconfig [09:25] i must download other 2 disk? [09:25] slava_dp, russian? [09:25] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: ":wq!" [09:25] polatov, i do speak russian :) [09:25] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A75B43.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:26] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-69-31.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:26] slava_dp, ?@825B )) [09:26] Mornin all. [09:26] greetings [09:26] y0 again, slackytude :) [09:26] _arfon_ (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [09:26] A:0G0; 7=0G8B ?5@2K9 A848 48A:, CAB0=>28;, => =5<>3C =09B8 B0< xorgconfig [09:26] heya slava_dp [09:27] polatov, english only here or you will get banned [09:27] slava_dp, ok, sorry [09:28] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.122.76) joined ##slackware. [09:28] Or even worse, no one will understand you. [09:28] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:29] hi guys I'm having problem playing videos on my slack [09:29] polatov: yes, x/ is on CD2 [09:29] macavity, thank you ) [09:30] I can open videos but it blinks from time to time, it blinks every second which is so annoying and of course I cant watch properly can anyone help me solve this thanks [09:30] polatov: but you can just run slackpkg install x [09:30] polatov: that is, after you have picked a mirror in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [09:30] polatov: and run slackpkg update [09:30] anyone please [09:31] polatov: so strictly, you only need CD1 to get a full slackware (if you have internet) [09:31] atom_fox: what driver are you using with xorg? [09:31] macavity, yes i have it [09:31] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:31] atom_fox: if you are still on the default vesa driver, things wont go so smooth :P [09:32] uuuhmm [09:32] *ding-ding* :P [09:32] i'm not sure about... how could I check that.. I'm sorry slack is my first linux distro so I'm not that familiar... [09:32] can you give me a hand? [09:32] I need them both [09:33] atom_fox: if you are new to linux in general you might as well get used to reading documentation [09:33] atom_fox, http://slackbook.org [09:33] but basically, check the file /etc/X11/xorg.cong for the driver liner [09:33] atom_fox: http://slackbook.org [09:33] macavity, i win :) [09:33] atom_fox: see the chapter about X configuration [09:33] slava_dp: no, i always win! my e-penis is bigger than yours! :P [09:34] grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf [09:34] atom_fox: what kind of graphics card/chip is that? [09:35] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:36] atom_fox: btw, congratulations on picking slackware as your first date with GNU/Linux :-) This gives you a good chance of not sinking into the masses of clueless click-o-rama idiot windows converts :P [09:36] haha.. thanks man... [09:37] atom_fox: if, however, you are looking for an "ignorance is bliss"-style distro, i can holeheartedly reccomend Ubuntu [09:37] macavity, stfu [09:38] I'm ok with slackware... I like to try new things most of the time, so I think this one is the right distro for me [09:38] slava_dp: what? it is a quality criteria of theirs that users should not need to know *anything* except how to click on stuff with the mouse :P [09:38] comp_ (n=comp_@81.196.151.9) joined ##slackware. [09:38] atom_fox: study slackbook.org and slackbasics.org like the bible [09:38] btw, what do you mean by card/chips? my video card? [09:38] which caters for a large market [09:38] atom_fox: other then that, get used to the commandline *asap* [09:39] atom_fox: yes [09:39] he consciously picked slackware and you recommend ubuntu. man, that's not good. [09:39] slava_dp: Slackware isn't for everyone [09:39] Action: slava_dp knows [09:39] atom_fox: i say card/chip since i dont know if you are on a workstation or a laptop, or if it is an integrated graphics chip or not [09:39] <_arfon_> Slackware IS for everyone [09:39] macavity, let him to use slackware he will learn more with it .. even if is harder then ubuntu on some steps [09:39] <_arfon_> They just don't know it [09:39] _arfon_: not really [09:39] I'm using a laptop [09:39] slava_dp: please read what i said a again [09:39] I don't use Slackware [09:39] who runs slackbasics? not seen that before, doesn't slackbook.org make it moot ? [09:40] <_arfon_> HERETIC [09:40] yep [09:40] phrag: slackbasics shows a little more commandline-fu for beginners [09:40] <_arfon_> Why don't you use Slack? [09:40] _arfon_: I've no reason to [09:40] ah cool [09:40] I have Slackware on one machine still..and thats out of laziness [09:40] <_arfon_> That was a nice side step of the question... [09:40] what a holy war [09:40] he just likes to troll users who do [09:40] http://www.laptopreviewsonline.com/Asus/F80Series/ [09:40] <_arfon_> :) [09:40] I'm not trolling [09:41] here's the info for my laptop... [09:41] Slackware on that machine will get replaced with FBSD in the near future [09:41] <_arfon_> Strat, you know what I was asking... [09:41] I answered your question [09:41] atom_fox: /sbin/lspci | grep VGA [09:41] atom_fox: paste the output here [09:41] <_arfon_> No you didn't, you side stepped it [09:41] just got slax with persistent changes on my usb stick, it's really handy [09:41] You asked why I don't..I said I have no reason to [09:42] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-180-169-249.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:42] and boots in a flash (pun intended) =P [09:42] Slackware tends to have out of date software, no pam... [09:42] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.105.65) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:42] <_arfon_> That's like: "Q: How does a pen work. A; It does" [09:42] I had an issue not that long ago with Slackware as a router due to a pretty old ip-route package [09:43] straterra, upgradepkg [09:43] <_arfon_> Ah, you like the bleeding edge apps? [09:43] Sure..want to compile it for me? [09:43] Yeah..because it didn't cleanly compile [09:43] _arfon_: No..I just dont like obscenely old apps [09:43] Action: slava_dp loves slack [09:43] Action: _arfon_ LOVES slack [09:44] Lack of pam has me using other products too [09:44] and a comparatively small repo for software [09:44] /sbin/lspci | grep VGA [09:44] Those are my reasons [09:44] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3400 Series [09:44] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [09:44] <_arfon_> Well Strat, each to his own [09:44] That's right. [09:44] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "leaving" [09:44] No one distro applies to every need or person [09:44] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:44] <_arfon_> As long as you're not a winders boy [09:45] I happily run Windows [09:45] <_arfon_> HERETIC!! [09:45] Linux doesn't belong on every machine either [09:45] fsck [09:45] Action: fred quite happily boots between slamd64, OSX, and windows, depending on what's needed [09:45] i never ran windows happily [09:45] and a load of other distros in vms [09:45] Every OS has its strengths and weaknesses [09:45] I don't mind using an OS for its strengths [09:45] <_arfon_> You wanna know something funny? [09:45] no [09:45] Not really [09:45] <_arfon_> :( [09:46] lol [09:46] <_arfon_> That makes me sad [09:46] feel free to cry [09:46] installpkg qq [09:46] quietly [09:46] <_arfon_> :""""""( [09:46] fred: hey man [09:46] fred: you dumping slamd64 now or? [09:47] Not "now"; as for the future, no solid plan, but in the long term, it's pointless :p [09:47] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.150) joined ##slackware. [09:47] you did get a special mention, if not by name =-) [09:48] Action: phrag raises a glass to fred [09:48] _arfon_: have my answers 'satisfied' you? [09:49] dchmelik1 (n=d@66.243.232.150) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:49] <_arfon_> Yeah. [09:49] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection timed out [09:49] <_arfon_> How do you aregue with "it doesn't suit my needs."? [09:50] now everyone knows straterra is no believer in free software. [09:50] <_arfon_> argue even [09:50] rofl, there is a kids tv program on called gastronuts [09:50] <_arfon_> Just one more Q Strat.... [09:50] <_arfon_> If you don't use Slackware, why do you hang out in a Slackware channel? [09:50] Because I'm a regular here [09:51] I still help people [09:51] lol [09:51] <_arfon_> ok [09:51] uhm [09:51] <_arfon_> So which distro are you running? [09:52] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.122.76) left irc: "Leaving" [09:52] My VPS runs Gentoo [09:52] Action: slava_dp points his index finger at straterra and hisses __microsoft fanboy__ [09:52] My home router runs Slackware [09:52] slava_dp: Define 'believer'; I'm probably not one either :p [09:52] Work machines here tend to run Fedora [09:53] well..work servers run fedora [09:53] My workstations at work and home run Vista and 7 RC, respectively [09:53] how can you even use fedora? i tried not so long ago and it's such a mess! [09:53] My parent's laptops at home both run Vista too [09:54] slava_dp: I'm not a microsoft fanboy by any means [09:54] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.122.76) joined ##slackware. [09:54] And your attitude is what I find hilarious with a good chunk of the OSS community [09:55] well when i'm not a microsoft fanboy i have slackware installed and configured for all my relatives and they use it happily. [09:55] Preach free speech and freedom of choice..unless someone makes a choice that doesn't allign with yours. [09:55] zx10k1 (n=nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:55] Guys. Chill and go home. [09:56] Linux cannot reasonably replace Windows in my household [09:56] so..yeah [09:56] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-24-126-163-118.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:56] <_arfon_> COD$ doesn't run on Linux :( [09:56] <_arfon_> COD4 even [09:56] Action: slava_dp is not a gamer [09:56] it could if they wanted it to [09:56] slava_dp: every member of my family also run slack =) [09:57] phrag, great :) [09:57] i find free games more enjoyable anyway [09:57] <_arfon_> I tried that but the whiners in my family depend too much on MS Office :( [09:57] one sticking point is with .doc formatting... openoffice just still isn't fully there yet [09:58] you can pretty much run office with wine [09:58] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:58] <_arfon_> And all of the Excel stuff doesn't work right (e.g aherts) [09:58] so use a different format [09:58] OOo won't be there with M$ formats till they all adopt odf. [09:58] if you save in word97 format, it should be mostly perfect...except like new lines or something messes up the formatting very slightly on the first few pages [09:58] well it's the .doc thing that annoys me... especially when CV's and stuff need to be in .doc [09:59] <_arfon_> Chow, It's just easier to slap XP on the machines and let them have their Office and Outpuke [09:59] chowabunga: ah, thanks for that tip... will try next time [09:59] phrag> send them a pdf and reject anyone that doesnt accept it [09:59] yeah i send all my work, assignments and stuff as pdf [09:59] pdf++ [09:59] PORTABLE document format [09:59] what pisses me off is applying for linux jobs and they only accept .doc lol [09:59] if a company wants doc format for resume....screw em [09:59] granted, they are recruitment agencies... but still! [09:59] i use excel to make my resume in the first place, then save as png or pdf [10:00] so they better accept excel lol [10:00] chowabunga: uhm..no [10:00] lol [10:00] chowabunga: not everything runs well in wine [10:00] or at all [10:00] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A75B43.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:01] what pisses me off more is how gnumeric/abiword were taken over by gnome [10:01] cant hardly compile them last i tried [10:01] well gnome needs an office (kde has one so why not) [10:01] phrag (n=phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:02] i personally find gnome crappy. [10:02] well the individual projects used to run without gnome [10:02] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.122.76) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:02] on that note, kspread has an awesome python plugin interface [10:02] <_arfon_> Speaking of Gnome..... [10:02] err script [10:02] When I can run Windows apps natively at full speed..I'll consider Linux for everything...until then, nope [10:02] wrote a python script to highlight all primes in a worksheet in like 10 minutes (was just playing around) [10:02] <_arfon_> I keep running into stuff that requires gnome.... is gslacky the one to go with? [10:03] schneiderr (n=me@76.74.129.199) joined ##slackware. [10:03] and i dont even know python :P [10:03] <_arfon_> Strat, even on a windows box, you can't run windows aps at full speed.... :P [10:03] Jhodas (n=Jhodas@cpc4-seac20-2-0-cust262.7-2.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:04] Yes I can [10:04] <_arfon_> (joke) [10:04] afternoon slackware [10:04] And I have..gasp..DX10 [10:04] straterra: infidel! :P [10:04] <_arfon_> Hello Jhodas [10:04] macavity: Everyone else is jumping on that bandwagon :P [10:05] you might as well [10:05] hight [10:05] width [10:05] hi there !! [10:05] straterra: ill use DX10 the day a native *nix app does [10:05] <_arfon_> hight? [10:05] night [10:05] ehehee [10:05] <_arfon_> What is hight? [10:05] straterra: which is not as crazy as it sounds.. Gallium3D is heading that way [10:05] <_arfon_> OH! Night [10:05] Seriously.. everyone just STFU.. every single one of you has completely immutable opinions on this subject which have already been explored to their depth. Give it up. [10:05] archaic English, meaning "my name is" [10:06] example usage: I hight Hrothgar, King of the Geats [10:06] <_arfon_> Shake-zula? [10:06] Bring thine mead, wench [10:06] Urchlay: s/Geats/Goats/ :P [10:06] Hrothgar was kind of an old goat, at least in the movie version of Beowulf... [10:07] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:07] hey does the print page work on this for anyone...click print http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Secret-meeting-of-worlds-richest-people-held-in-New-York-45304702.html [10:07] rucinter (n=rucinter@tei4-ap2.bizarnet.ro) joined ##slackware. [10:07] <_arfon_> Speaking of printing...... [10:07] <_arfon_> Anyone ever run into this.... [10:07] it's such a secret meeting that there's a web page about it? [10:08] in ireland [10:08] ireland, where men are men and sheep are nervous [10:08] <_arfon_> I have a USB OfficeJet scanner/printer running on CUPs. When I installed it months ago, it worked great. NOW, it prints color but no black... [10:08] Change the black cartridge [10:08] <_arfon_> New cartridge. [10:09] currently sitting in a console, upgrading to slackware64-current, can't be bothered to mess with console-based browsers... [10:09] _arfon_> did you install the black properly...remove the clear film? [10:09] <_arfon_> Clear-film? [10:09] take it out and you might notice something [10:09] <_arfon_> :) [10:09] <_arfon_> JK Yes, I did [10:09] _arfon_, use one of the bundled hp- programs. they will show. [10:09] well put it in again and reboot the printer [10:09] <_arfon_> Thanks Slava [10:10] <_arfon_> I did Chow, no good. [10:10] <_arfon_> It's probably a bad printer which will piss me off because it was new [10:11] reminds me, I gotta find out if it's possible to use something like cups or ghostscript as a printer driver for windows [10:11] <_arfon_> Urch, why? [10:11] mom bought a printer whose driver *only* works in XP SP2 [10:11] <_arfon_> Ah [10:11] and I do not want to go through the hell of upgrading her 2003-model computer to SP2, if it's even possible [10:11] <_arfon_> Printers are cheap, why not replace it? [10:12] cause she already bought it [10:12] know what really pisses me off about autodesk? dropped unix support back in the early 90s, it's excellent software, i don't want to run it on wine, might virtualise it (if i have a spare system of decent spec!)... just curious if anyone in here has used the propietary linuxcad? [10:12] and it's too late to take it back (14 day return policy has expired) [10:12] Urchlay: age regardless.. it should be on SP3 [10:12] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [10:12] Urchlay> the driver is lying, you can probably force an install [10:12] it has a high chance of actually working [10:12] <_arfon_> Vastina, I tried it. Didn't get very far and went back to AutoCAD [10:13] chowabunga: the driver doesn't actually say that, it installs... but the printer utterly fails to print anything (it claims to be printing, but just spits out blank sheets of paper) [10:13] Urchlay> ahrg [10:13] <_arfon_> Games and AutoCAD is why I have a Windoz desktop. [10:13] Zordrak: eh? who's gonna upgrade her? not me, I'm no windows expert... all I know about windows service packs is they tend to break everything, requiring expert knowledge to fix [10:14] <_arfon_> Urch, You should be happy, it's AUTOMATICALLY saving you money by not using up your expoensive ink! [10:14] Urchlay> just download the sp3 redistributable, kill all programs and do the upgrade [10:14] _arfon_: thanks so much for saving me a potential headache, i just want to get to producing some models [10:14] paissad (n=paissad@12.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:14] dont use windows update [10:14] <_arfon_> NP Vast [10:15] just hate running in a windows environment, even if i'm behind my gateway it feels off [10:15] <_arfon_> Vast keep in mind that some of my giving up on LinuxCAD is that I'm used to AutoCAD [10:15] the point of buying her a windows PC was so I wouldn't have to support it (all her friends + my dad run windows, so the idea was they could help her if need be) [10:15] <_arfon_> It's not that the progran necessarily sux. [10:15] <_arfon_> I wish someone would invent some sort of program that automatically checks spelling. [10:16] autodesk is a strange company [10:16] very paranoid [10:16] I tried giving Dad Linux a while back, but it meant I was constantly having to mess with it, or else explain to him why such-and-such media file couldn't play [10:16] Urchlay: the only thing SP3 has ever killed for me (and ive applied it >100 times) is windows update.. which is easily fixed, but you dont use it anyway [10:16] <_arfon_> How so Chow? [10:16] with Dad that's tolerable, with Mom it would be like having bamboo shoved under my fingernails, only less enjoyable [10:16] no XP box ANYWHERE should be Urchlay> all media plays :) [10:17] <_arfon_> What about my Win3.11 box Zord? [10:17] Zordrak, oh really? ;P [10:17] _arfon_: it's not XP....... [10:17] <_arfon_> Right [10:17] The_Faithful (n=Mak@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:17] _arfon_: I just don't have a clear picture of where LInuxcad is and i KNOW where autocad is, the only implication i get is that it is "8 years ahead" of the sample you can download, very misleading [10:18] Xp sp2, some office crap, neatly stuffed into a VM, no network interface, ... [10:18] http://people.redhat.com/alexl/files/why-alsa-sucks.png [10:18] hm, last time I looked at autocad was on a 486 with some kinda autocad-specific coprocessor [10:19] theres no rleason it shouldnt be on sp3. installation is click'n'go, restart and you're done [10:19] <_arfon_> I stick with AutoCAD because it works for me, I'm use to it and I have a windows box anyway for games... [10:20] theres no reason to change stuff when it just works. [10:20] preventative maintenance, assbutt [10:20] it'S contained, dumbass [10:20] ajmrch (n=Users@189.229.22.195) joined ##slackware. [10:20] psh [10:21] *PLONK* [10:21] scubacuda (i=rog@6.sub-75-251-170.myvzw.com) left irc: "Leaving" [10:21] Zordrak: if I touch anything on mom's computer, any "technical" problem she has for the next 6 months will be my fault (even if the problem is that she accidentally moved her taskbar to the top of the screen and can't figure out how to move it back) [10:21] Urchlay, same here ;) [10:21] Urchlay: but you already have a problem.. and the problem was caused by not updating it to SP3 (or 2) earlier [10:21] she about freaked out when I installed Firefox (and didn't make it the default browser, I just installed it cause I needed to use it for a while) [10:21] actually that even applies if I come closer than a few meters from the computer [10:22] i dont argue you should wait for some time AFTER an SP is released.. but by now you should have it [10:22] Urchlay, mine freaks out whenever anything :) [10:22] the problem is caused by the owner of the computer not learning *anything* about using or maintaining it, even though she's had it for 7 years now [10:23] Urchlay: that sounds like my parents. I'v sworn off even looking at their POS XP box. [10:23] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.12) left irc: "Leaving" [10:23] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-40-159-71.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:23] I mean for the first couple years I helped her out, showed her how to do some simple stuff, but teaching someone who won't lean, gets old after a whikle [10:24] yep [10:24] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-67-65-197-197.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [10:24] 7+ years of using a mouse with 2 buttons, and she still can't wrap her head around the concept of "which mouse button is the right-click one?" [10:24] (even though she drives a car and knows her left from her right... hell, she's the one who taught me left from right when I was a little kid...) [10:25] bleah. sorry, that turned into a bit of a rant, didn't it? [10:25] Urchlay: my point is.. if she comes to you when she has a problem.. you should prevent the likelihood of problems by keeping it up to date with at least the latest SP, even if not other minor updates [10:26] Urchlay, I am starting to believe we share the same mother >< [10:27] Which Nvidia driver should i use for a Asus 6200 Geforce. [10:27] Camarade_Tux: possibly convergent evolution... [10:27] tewmten (i=tew@gaskammare.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:27] Zordrak: and my point is, I spent 3-4 years gradually getting her to quit coming to me to fix her problems, not gonna undo all that now :) [10:27] nbuonanno (i=nbuonann@you.dontlike.us) joined ##slackware. [10:27] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [10:28] <_arfon_> That's what Geek Squad is for Urch? [10:28] tew (i=tew@gaskammare.se) joined ##slackware. [10:28] Nick change: tew -> tewmten [10:29] I quit using windows over 10 years ago now, except a win2k vm with one game installed on it... she needs help from someone who knows/cares how to maintain windows desktops [10:29] Jhodas (n=Jhodas@cpc4-seac20-2-0-cust262.7-2.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:33] Urchlay, imagine future generations then ;p [10:33] _arfon_: well she's been using the thing for 7 years, which is 1 year longer than I ever used windows (and that counts windows 3.1 too). She ought to know more than me by now, no? [10:34] RickyFloW (n=fl0w@200samana86.codetel.net.do) joined ##slackware. [10:36] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-072-148-151-050.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [10:36] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [10:36] hey [10:37] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-69-31.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [10:37] Any Nvidiaa users here [10:38] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425465.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:38] Yes [10:38] yep [10:38] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:38] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-69-31.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:38] I'm lookin at the SlackBuild list of drivers, but 180 is not there. [10:38] hey compl3x :) [10:39] dyn0myt3: just use the nvidia script from there website - im using it works fine [10:39] Hey Camarade_Tux [10:39] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425465.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:39] dyn0myt3: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_180.51.html [10:39] dyn0myt3: always use nVidia's own [10:39] dyn0myt3: or if your lazy http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/180.51/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-180.51-pkg1.run [10:40] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-180-169-249.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [10:40] thx :D [10:40] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:41] Zordrak, why so? i thought the slackbuild way would be preferred. (though i use the official binary too) [10:41] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:41] it's preferred. [10:41] the only benefit i can see is that you can uninstall the generated package [10:42] and you won't be able to easily revert the binary installation [10:42] the binary install is easily uninstalled without a slackbuild [10:44] slackid (n=willysr@125.163.251.150) left irc: "Leaving" [10:44] slava_dp: yes you can [10:44] slava_dp: nvidia-uninstall [10:44] even so. then the slackbuild appears to be redundant. [10:45] not redundant [10:45] not if you are used to removepkg foo [10:45] matt0 (n=matt0@CPE-60-226-3-65.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:46] well least Nvidia has their own drivers, good luck finding any ATI that do that. [10:46] ati should hire some good programmers. [10:46] Nick change: matt0 -> matt0GET [10:47] they still wont code for nix [10:47] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [10:47] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: ":wq!" [10:47] zuhair (n=zuhair@167.205.3.48) joined ##slackware. [10:50] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "leaving" [10:52] they are getting better [10:52] dyn0myt3: er..what? [10:52] or at least released some code or something [10:52] ATI/AMD has Linux drivers.. [10:52] and they release doc [10:52] sQuEE (n=narya@host123.201-253-245.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [10:53] but the drivers are not of the best quality [10:53] imo [10:54] They work fine for a lot of cards [10:55] eelriver (n=eelriver@67.102.106.32) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:55] well for a radeon 9100 there is no 3D support in fglrx. and that's the only radeon i tried linux on. [10:55] Uhm..you don't need fglrx for a 9100 [10:55] 9100 works fine with 3D with the open source drivers [10:55] the free ati driver makes X hang on startup one time out of three. [10:56] Jhodas (n=Jhodas@cpc4-seac20-2-0-cust262.7-2.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:56] slackid (n=willysr@125.163.251.150) joined ##slackware. [10:56] That's a seperate project [10:57] You should yell at the open source devs in that case, not ATI [10:57] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8274d428deffa5fa) joined ##slackware. [10:57] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [10:57] umm, is there any console-based rss reader in 12.2? [10:57] ajmrch (n=Users@189.229.22.195) left ##slackware. [10:58] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:58] going home.... work is over. later everyone. [10:59] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [11:00] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8274d428deffa5fa) left irc: Client Quit [11:00] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [11:01] afternoon guys [11:02] and nix chix [11:02] god damn sales guys [11:02] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [11:02] reinstalling winamp using recovered profile data [11:03] ...and eunuchs [11:03] afternoon [11:03] playlist is D:\sperm snowball compilation.mpg [11:03] sounds about right for sales guys [11:10] eviljames (i=101@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [11:11] _arfon_1 (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [11:13] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:13] The_Faithful (n=Mak@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [11:14] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [11:15] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:16] LOL Zordrak [11:16] bojevnik (n=Administ@193.2.84.251) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:18] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-83-16.ip37.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "leaving" [11:19] put it on the PA [11:21] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176068195.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:21] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:21] wheee, 64-bit -current rocks [11:22] hmmmm? updates to the packages? [11:22] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176068195.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Client Quit [11:22] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176068195.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:22] actually supports my horrible ralink card out-of-the-box, no more 3rd-party driver needed [11:22] maxote (n=eldragon@84.79.67.254) left ##slackware. [11:22] maxote (n=eldragon@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. [11:23] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: "Saliendo" [11:25] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [11:26] Urchlay: actually the ralink cards are not at all horrible [11:26] Urchlay: and now that ralink is fully engaging in Free software, they actually provide some darn good hardware [11:27] macavity: maybe not... I only ever considered it horrible due to the low quality of their semi-open-source driver [11:27] ralink by now work fine. [11:27] Megaf (n=megaf@unaffiliated/megaf) joined ##slackware. [11:27] yes [11:27] my rt73 works wonders [11:27] ralink wireless cards are lush imho [11:27] its the only card i have ever been able to run chopchop attacks with [11:28] :p [11:28] yay 64bit [11:28] spook: your late to the party :P [11:28] _arfon_ (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:28] hehe [11:28] too bad my banias wont feel the powa of 64bit slack .... [11:28] i've been busy gluing/painting war40k [11:28] lol [11:29] i used to do that alot too [11:29] Megaf (n=megaf@unaffiliated/megaf) left irc: "Cya" [11:29] i had a 2300 point eldar army that beat the crap out of everyone.. then they changed the rules to 3rd edition [11:29] then only space marines were usable.. so i got pissed and left [11:29] lol, this is up to 5th ed now [11:30] Action: spook has space marines [11:30] You nerds you :p [11:30] let me guess.. regular eldars can still only move 4" right? [11:30] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-164-37.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [11:30] dont know [11:30] hey guys, I've been having some trouble with the slackware installatioin [11:30] back in the day eldars could move 6" by default [11:30] go torrent the eldar codex [11:30] afaik, ALL infantry move 6" [11:31] dont bother.. i dont intent to play/paint again [11:31] Jhodas: you probably need to supply us with a little more info than that [11:31] i only have about 800 so far. [11:31] Jhodas: ... that is, unless you just want us to know, but intent to figure it out yourself [11:31] I went throught the motions, but it kept throwing a hissyfit when i put the CD in (sorry macavity was typing slow) [11:32] Jhodas: may i suggest a netinstall if it possible. [11:32] ok [11:32] Jhodas: what is a hissyfit? [11:32] let me google that, I'll come back :) thanks spook [11:33] macavity, hissyfit is like throwing your toys out the pram [11:33] ah [11:33] bad burn [11:33] macavity: like you, when eldar only could move 4" [11:33] spook: "screw you guys!... i'm going home" :P [11:33] 0_0 whut? [11:33] spook: /join #warhammer :p [11:33] lol [11:34] compl3x: no thanks [11:34] Action: compl3x doesn't want to hear about warhammer :p [11:34] Action: compl3x used to paint bot got annoyed with it [11:34] I could never handle the detail haha [11:34] its time consuming yes. [11:35] compl3x: practice.. its just like C programming [11:35] macavity: C im good at, warhammer - no thanks. [11:35] compl3x: you look at a program and think it is easy.. then you start writing your own, and observe that it is 1% structure and 99% rediculous details :P [11:35] compl3x: oh? [11:36] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) joined ##slackware. [11:36] macavity: C is my life :p [11:36] compl3x: i fell compelled to beg you to have a look at the libelf API :P [11:36] matt0GET (n=matt0@CPE-60-226-3-65.qld.bigpond.net.au) left ##slackware. [11:36] nvision (n=nvision@g230013116.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:37] compl3x: i am banging my head against writing a very simple app [11:37] have a look at ssl [11:37] macavity: Link me up - can't be assed to google :p [11:37] macavity: no worries - got it [11:37] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.46) left irc: [11:37] compl3x: http://people.freebsd.org/~jkoshy/download/libelf/article.html http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=elf&sektion=3&apropos=0&manpath=FreeBSD+7.2-RELEASE http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=gelf&sektion=3&apropos=0&manpath=FreeBSD+7.2-RELEASE [11:38] fuck i dropped the front end of a missile launcher [11:38] quick, pick it up [11:38] aha! [11:38] time to glue the bitch [11:39] macavity: You trying to change .so paths? - can't remember what you were using it for again [11:39] compl3x: pretty simple: load in all the filename.so strings from the .dynamic section. search through them for a specific one. remove that one. write the table back to the file [11:39] Action: agentc0re|work wonders if spooks even ever held a missile launcher before [11:39] i hold my missle launcher almost every night [11:39] lol [11:40] compl3x: not the paths.. i want to yank out the hard dependencies that got there by mistake [11:40] macavity: ever played with windows exes? ELF is a dream compared to that [11:40] _arfon_1 (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) left irc: "Leaving." [11:40] ... [11:40] compl3x: why would anyone do something that evil? [11:40] compl3x: try compiling helloworld.c with -ljpeg, then run objdump -p a.out | grep NEEDED and see [11:40] why the C++ language is not adopted in kernel development ? [11:40] Cause C++ can suck my dick [= [11:40] why did nobody laugh at my missle launcher / penis joke ? [11:41] compl3x: ld simply hardcodes all -l arguments as hard dependencies [11:41] ah right [11:41] =) [11:41] compl3x, it's all you know ? [11:41] compl3x: and libtool call ld with the entire dependency->dependency->dependency train [11:41] Action: agentc0re|work makes train noises [11:41] macavity: hmm [11:41] compl3x: so, we end up having little stupid apps, that does virtually nothing, depend on everything and its grandmother [11:41] woops, wrong channel :) [11:41] WHooo WHOOO, chuga chuga.. [11:42] macavity: that api looks a nightmare. [11:42] The_Faithful: ...... [11:42] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:42] compl3x: in short, if the slightest little library fucks up the ABI, we need to recompile half the distr [11:42] macavity: what you doing this for? - what project? [11:43] Camarade_Tux, people are weired here :S.. we have thugz and civilized persons in the same place [11:44] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: "Leaving" [11:44] macavity, look please this url [11:44] ftp://mirror.yandex.ru/slackware/slackware-12.2/ [11:44] can i use it in mirror file/ [11:44] ?? [11:44] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.72.96) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:44] *mirrors [11:44] try it and see what happens [11:45] The_Faithful, no no : everybody is schizophrenic here ;) [11:45] ok [11:45] I'm not. Yes I am. No I'm not. [11:46] wow [11:46] Camarade_Tux, but it's not supposed to be.. this channel is INTERNATIONAL and of course professional too, so phrases like this : Cause C++ can suck my dick [= .. can simply make people flee [11:46] Hi vastina, how are you? [11:47] The_Faithful: Ive heard worse language in here [11:47] firebird619: good, yourself? [11:47] polatov: yes [11:47] The_Faithful, C++ make people do nightmares, that's why ;) [11:47] wait, who has flee's? [11:47] vastina: doing great, thank you. :) [11:47] The_Faithful: Sorry if I caused offence but meh [11:47] Hi Camarade_Tux [11:47] hey firebird619 [11:47] Hi compl3x [11:47] The_Faithful: if you did any research on the topic, you'd see its very controversial. [11:47] haha timing [11:47] polatov: but i suspect that ftp.slackware.no is faster, even in RU [11:47] hey firebird619 :) [11:47] agentc0re|work: Hey, how's it going? [11:47] polatov: they have a pretty damn hefty internet pipe (and the hardware to follow) [11:48] macavity, ok thank you [11:48] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [11:48] firebird619: Bleh, on the phone with HP because yet again another drive has failed in my AiO1200... what a PITA these servers have been for me. [11:48] compl3x: oh, i am just going to come down on the libtool guys like raging thunder [11:48] macavity: haha [11:48] Camarade_Tux, ok we will continue friend :) [11:48] I have to go [11:48] ciao all [11:48] see you [11:48] agentc0re|work: that sucks. I seen a guy today with an SSDD shirt on. :) [11:48] Hi macavity :) [11:49] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:49] compl3x: but, experience has tought me that developers think they are flawless, so i better come with a hefty arsenal of tests to prove that i am right [11:49] firebird619: NICE! [11:49] compl3x: hence i need said tool [11:49] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:49] macavity: haha fair enough [11:49] jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) joined ##slackware. [11:49] compl3x: and frankly, i think it is an omision that binutils does not have a tool that can manipulate stuff like that [11:49] macavity: yeah Im suprised there isnt tbh [11:49] firebird619: I think i might change my belt buckle to say, SSDD [11:50] haha, that'd be awesome. [11:50] compl3x: objcopy is being retarted about it, to say the least.. it is only good for debugging symbol related stuff and relocations [11:50] macavity: hmm [11:50] hk0i (n=hk0i@64.20.189.254) joined ##slackware. [11:50] compl3x: want to share the fame and glory? :P [11:50] macavity: ...? [11:51] compl3x: i already have the scripts to prove just how many places just libxcb-xlib has crept ut (but doesnt belong) [11:51] hmm how do i switch back to screen from irssi so i can tell it to hide the screen? [11:52] macavity: macavity haha - been working hard then :p [11:52] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [11:52] firebird619: Done! [11:52] sweet [11:52] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-24-126-163-118.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:52] firebird619: Next one might be, "No I will not fix your computer!" [11:53] Which might land me a job at the unemployment line. [11:53] lol [11:53] compl3x: we have 87 packages that needs libxcb.. only 1 of them should [11:53] probably would [11:53] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:53] macavity: o.0! [11:53] hk0i, not sure I understand when you say 'switch back' [11:53] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [11:53] detach? [11:53] compl3x: of those 86 packages left, 31 have been infected right into the ELF level (not just at the .la level like the others) [11:54] dive: if i can detach directly from here, then yes. [11:54] macavity: when does it get linked with it? [11:54] compl3x: the *only* thing in the world that needs libxcb-xlib is libX11.so [11:54] Infected with what? [11:54] hk0i, ctrl-a d [11:54] macavity: really :o [11:54] compl3x: yes.. every app that links to libX11 using libtool gets a false dependency on libxcb-xlib too [11:54] dive: thanks, I guess it's been a while I've forgotten how to use screen :) but that sparked my memory [11:55] macavity: man thats crazy [11:55] ctrl-a ? will tell you the commands [11:55] compl3x: observe that none of the KDE apps inherits this.. only the gnu-style-autoconf-automake-libtool builds [11:55] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:55] umislack (i=1000@58.64.93.162) left irc: "leaving" [11:55] macavity: eww [11:55] Having some issues with filezilla, I compiled it just fine but when I try to run it I get: filezilla: error while loading shared libraries: libmspack.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory any ideas? I installed the lib from a tgz package i found on the web [11:55] compl3x: i only discovered this since the soname for libxcb-xlib has changed [11:55] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE6DF0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:55] dive: thanks again :D [11:56] hk0i: your problem: [11:56] macavity: what got you going on this project? [11:56] compl3x: in "theory" that would mean: recompile libX11 [11:56] compl3x: trying to upgrade xorg :P [11:56] hk0i: "I installed the lib from a tgz package i found on the web" [11:56] macavity: haha! [11:56] compl3x: then i started diging into the dirt [11:56] hk0i, never install stuff 'found' on the web [11:56] macavity: for slack? [11:56] Zordrak: it was from the libmspack page [11:57] hk0i, perhaps wrong version [11:57] compl3x: yes.. i started http://macavity.rlworkman.net/ [11:57] dive: it still compiled against it without any issues though? [11:57] compl3x: but kept ramming my head into these odd linktime problems [11:57] compl3x: now i know why.. and i know who is to blame [11:58] compl3x: i just need to provide inarguable evidence that theese links are moot [11:58] macavity: down and dirty - nice :p [11:58] macavity: haha [11:58] hk0i: It probably wasn't a slackware package. I would grab all the stuff you need for filezilla from slackbuilds.org. [11:58] Action: Zordrak just fixed a laptop using a large hammer [11:58] dive: strangely enough it wasn't even listed as a dependency for filezilla [11:59] compl3x: may i PM you? [11:59] agentc0re|work: ahh thank you, I've been looking for this page. I forgot the name of it. I haven't used slackware in a few years actually [11:59] macavity: sure [11:59] hk0i, /topic [12:00] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.150) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:01] paissad (n=paissad@12.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [12:01] dive: very nice. thank you :) [12:03] yw [12:04] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.150) joined ##slackware. [12:06] yay, i just finished gluing a squad of headless, armless space marines [12:07] spook: that's not very much gluing. [12:07] v4nelle (n=van@adsl107-113.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:07] and they're not going to be very effective either. [12:07] its quite a bit of filing though [12:07] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:07] lol [12:07] StevenR: they would get 1 attack when assaulting [12:08] and would generally tie up enemy troups (read: cannon fodder) [12:08] hehe [12:08] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [12:08] +2 str +2 stam leather belt, OOHHHH Gaahhhh. [12:08] :P [12:08] agentc0re|work: haha [12:09] and they would be very good cannon fodder, with a 3+ save. 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[12:15] well these guys are currently standing next to a dreadnaught with a heavy flamer and assault cannon [12:15] dyn0myt3++ [12:16] i would have to say that a conversion beam beats a bfg anyday [12:16] Action: agentc0re|work pulls out the eel cannon (+ all Stats) [12:17] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:18] Action: Zordrak is using K3B for the first time ever [12:19] heh [12:19] Ilie (n=slacker@info-c-31.info.uaic.ro) joined ##slackware. [12:19] hi, how do I configure slim on slackware 12.2 ? [12:19] optical media is dead. [12:19] slim? [12:19] And it coastered the disc :( [12:19] http://slim.berlios.de/index.php [12:20] spook: hear hear! So long optical media! [12:20] Ilie: same way as other distros if you used it on other distros [12:20] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.240) joined ##slackware. [12:20] I want to use it in slackware [12:20] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/slim/ [12:21] Hi BP{k}, how are you? [12:21] I can start it on boot time but It complains about some problems with the exec command [12:21] ... [12:21] firebird619: I am okay. Yourself? [12:21] Is this right to have under the section "ServerLayout" Screen 0 "Screen 0" 0 0? Whats that first 0? [12:21] BP{k}: doing very well, thank you. [12:21] Morning firebird619 BP{k} :) [12:21] Hey lf4, how are you? [12:22] x:5:respawn:/usr/bin/slim >& /dev/null [12:22] [12:22] is this right for slackware ? [12:22] firebird619: The usual haha for the past few days. :) How about yourself? [12:22] Action: Zordrak adds BP{k} to the murder list maintained solely for people who misuse and overuse Yourself and Myself.. item 1: The entire UK police force Item 2: The entire UK population of callcentre workers [12:22] Ilie: how about you actually go read some documentation instead of just making random guesses. [12:22] cdrecord succeeded where K3B failed.. [12:23] lf4: doing very well, thanks. :) [12:23] Zordrak: cdrecord is awesome :) [12:23] lol @ cops [12:23] firebird619: thats goot to hear [12:23] GUESS WHAT, THATS A CRIME [12:23] k3b calls actually cdrecord if I am not mistaken. [12:23] spook: a crime to humanity? [12:23] did you've read the documentation BP or you're just asuming I didnt ? [12:23] BP{k}: yeah no shit [12:23] BP{k}: i even used the same cmd linte opts [12:24] Ilie: by your statement it is clear you didn't. [12:25] lf4: no, breaking into his 'girlfriend' 's apartment, calling her, saying he has a shotgun [12:25] "it is clear" ... idiot ... [12:25] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@200.158.124.249) joined ##slackware. [12:25] spook: lol ok you got me there [12:25] hi all [12:26] Hi gar0t0 [12:26] wow Ilie good name and attacking BP{k} (not to smart). [12:26] hi gar0t0 [12:26] Nick change: hd -> HellDragon [12:26] hi :D [12:26] ivan8013_ (n=slKIvs@253.53.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [12:26] Ilie: 1) if you actually had taken time to read /etc/inittab; you'll see that runlevel 5 is mostly unused (but configured to run as runlevel. 2) That it would be runlevel 4 you actually need (and thus /etc/rc.d/rc.4). [12:26] k3b calls different programs depending on the task [12:27] thanks for the tips BP [12:27] Action: XGizzmo takes BP{k} spoon. [12:27] Ilie: if you had taken a look at /etc/rc.d/rc.4 you would have seen that slackware-12.2 actually *includes* support for SLIM. So all you need to do is get the SlackBuild and compile it. [12:27] hey BP{k} does slackware 12.2 support xorg ;) hahaha [12:28] I did that, with the additional stuff but It's complaining about some problems with the login command execution [12:28] Action: Necos chuckles at XGizzmo [12:28] lf4: for everyone but you, yes. ;) [12:28] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [12:28] wotcha BP{k} [12:28] Interesting programing :) [12:28] lw0x15_: wotcha :) [12:29] I guess the problem is with the login_cmd from /etc/slim.conf [12:29] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-88-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:29] Action: schneiderr never felt so gimped before [12:29] login_cmd exec /bin/bash -login ~/.xinitrc %session [12:29] my .xinitrc is blank [12:30] $session is defaulted to xfce4 [12:30] lf4: biometric configuration, its all the rage. [12:30] =O [12:30] XGizzmo: haha funny [12:30] Action: lf4 wonders how you get standards I/O to have biometrics? [12:31] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@253.53.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:31] Ask the NSA they are the one putting it in all computers [12:31] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:31] having issues with a broadcom wifi...if anyone could be of assistance, could use some help setting it up [12:31] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:31] XGizzmo: I'd do that but I dont have a GUI ;) [12:32] yosii: Whats the issue? [12:32] lf4: lol, no gui at all. Did you try just the nv driver? [12:32] hm. nvidia proprietary driver took a little doing, on 64-bit -current [12:32] Hi Urchlay [12:32] hey fbird [12:33] lf4: that it doesn't work [12:33] lf4: at all [12:33] firebird619: ok get technical on me... :P yes I do have a GUI just 1280x1024 on a WVGA+ is really ugly. [12:33] Ilie: you can use xwmconfig to set the session of your choice. [12:33] lf4: haha [12:33] yosii: have you tried nswrapper and using the drivers that came with the hardware? [12:34] lf4: Did you try the "nv" driver though, to see if that worked and give you native resolution? [12:34] lf4: working on that... [12:34] last time I tried the nv driver, it wouldn't go past 1280x1024. Has that ever gotten fixed? [12:34] if he installed the nvidia driver, his mesa libs are fucked [12:34] lf4: it did work under ubuntu without ndiswrapper [12:34] firebird619: I think at one point [12:34] Urchlay: I get 1680x1050 with it. [12:35] 1280x1024 is still pretty big [12:35] nswrapper isnt for wifi [12:35] ndiswrapper? [12:35] ndiswrapper, that's what i mean [12:35] its for firefox plugins :P [12:35] Action: Ilie reboot [12:35] lol sorry my typo [12:35] Don't you have to get fireware and crap for most broadcom chip sets? [12:35] Ilie (n=slacker@info-c-31.info.uaic.ro) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:35] .... reboot? [12:36] Action: BP{k} headdesks. [12:36] lol [12:36] lmao [12:36] broadcom are slowly moving to in-kernel [12:36] fetish. prolly a brit. [12:36] right next to spanking [12:36] firebird619: OK, guess it's been fixed then. I almost want to try it on this box here, but I do occasionally play 3d games... [12:36] Urchlay: did you upgrade from 32bit slackware? or a fresh install? [12:37] BP{k}: fresh install [12:37] box used to run slamd64 [12:37] but I didn't attempt to upgrade from slamd64 to this (not that foolhardy) [12:37] spook: wasnt there a driver being developed for broadcom? like 43xx or something? [12:37] it wasnt until a couple of weeks ago that i found out my conroe dual core supported 64-bit >.<; [12:38] Urchlay: be warned lol might mess up your xorg ;) [12:38] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [12:38] most newer intel cpus do. [12:38] firebird619: I'll try the nv drivers now. [12:38] all the dual cores do apparently [12:38] I got my scammer making a "Church of the Subgenius" poster [12:38] he he [12:38] flvr (n=flvr@host-93-182-19-84.real.kvidex.net) joined ##slackware. [12:38] flvr (n=flvr@host-93-182-19-84.real.kvidex.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:38] yeah even a lot of the p4d do also [12:38] lf4: you know, 43xx is blacklisted by default...and ubuntu worked on this before it finally grinded to an unusable state...maybe... [12:39] Ilie (n=slacker@info-c-31.info.uaic.ro) joined ##slackware. [12:39] xGizzmo, now that i didn't know... [12:40] yosii: ahh I see [12:40] firebird619: haha the nv driver did give me higher res I'll have to mess around with using that driver. [12:40] I G2G slack on without me. [12:40] lates [12:41] lf4: oh I expected that. It's working fine now, I have to use nvidia-legacy173 for this old thing, and I modified the SBo scripts to use usr/lib64... apparently successfully :) [12:41] Ubuntu bcm343xx is unstable due to teh fact of debian patches really [12:41] if I installed wicd, should I disable DHCP polling at startup ? (it takes a lot of time) [12:41] do I need dhcp to broadcast for an ip adress at startup or wicd will handle this after it loads the DE ? [12:42] it's possible I might run into problems if I run nvidia-switch, but I'm not too likely to want to do that anyhow [12:42] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:43] >.> [12:43] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [12:44] Oh yeah!!! you want to see HI-RES look at this! haha http://yfrog.com/1ohires001j [12:45] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:45] lf4 ? [12:45] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:46] check the URL and then the content: http://www.mylinux.ro/ [12:46] Camarade_Tux: selected 1600x1200 which was out of sync and it reset back to that. [12:47] Ilie (n=slacker@info-c-31.info.uaic.ro) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:47] lf4, ah, I see, *that* small ? [12:47] hm. Forgot to start console irssi session in screen. BRB. [12:47] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: ":wq!" [12:48] hi res? blah image too small... [12:49] lf4: haha, ok, good luck. [12:49] screen #0: dimensions: 1280x1024 pixels (376x301 millimeters) ^^ [12:50] firebird619: got it I had to add a modeline generated by gtf [12:50] jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) left irc: "Leaving" [12:50] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:50] Necos: lol blow that image up to a 22" monitor full screen and you will see what I saw haha [12:50] bleah, here we go with firefox 3 for the first time... damn I hate firefox 3 [12:50] >.> [12:50] Urchlay: careful with using FF ;) [12:51] lf4: great. :) [12:52] lf4: well I backed up my .mozilla dir before starting ff3, so if I really really hate it bad enough I can downgrade to ff2 [12:52] Urchlay: what have you been using FF2? [12:52] yeah [12:52] happy with it [12:52] an oldie but a goodie. :P [12:52] Urchlay: did you back up your xorg :P [12:52] lf4: haha [12:53] lf4: yes. In fact my entire root partition still exists [12:53] lf4: you're going to be careful with that from now on aren't you. :P [12:53] seat` (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [12:53] ah F***! spilling coffe on light coloured shirt at work != bueno [12:53] haha [12:53] Oh yeah you know it firebird619 [12:53] vastina: could be worse. Could be salsa... [12:53] hahahahahaha [12:54] Urchlay: true... [12:54] pri4pus (n=Mutinus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [12:54] could have been beer and then you'd smell of booze all day at work. :P [12:54] yeah...that didn't work [12:54] too bad [12:54] I'm not a coffee drinker but isnt it with two ee's? :D [12:54] lf4: yes [12:54] firebird619: if you knew me personally i'd actually get away with that [12:54] coffee [12:54] lf4, it's with milk. [12:54] oh man firebird619 we had a co-worker that woudl smell like that it was so bad no one wanted to be around him. [12:54] nobody cares about ee [12:54] vastina: haha. [12:54] lf4: yes it was a type-o [12:55] echo Hello, world! [12:55] I'm a type B+ I think [12:55] echo Hello pri4pus [12:55] hi pri4pus [12:55] ah, here we go, oldbar extension for FF3, makes the "awesome bar" go away [12:55] There's an oldbar extension? [12:55] yah [12:55] Action: firebird619 searches [12:55] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@189.87.99.145) left ##slackware. [12:55] echo How are you? [12:56] dammit, firefox's fonts got *even smaller* [12:56] I don't use FF, but that might be nice to use. [12:56] Urchlay: FF fonts just don't look nice without some tweaking. [12:56] I've no idea how to change the font size of the URL bar and the rest of the GUI [12:56] since watching the film, i'm almost liking star trek more... [12:56] pri4pus: echo I am great, how are you? [12:56] ah shit i'm becomign a trekkie! eeee! [12:56] they look fine, if I sit with my eyes 6" from the screen [12:56] using the usb installer i can install slackware from a repo in a local hard disk.. do i have to put it in a specific directory in the local disk [12:56] vastina: live long and prosper! [12:56] Urchlay: so the fonts on web pages are fine, but the GUI isn't? [12:57] or will the installer ask me where the repo is placed? [12:57] Urchlay: nanu nanu [12:57] firebird619: echo I am cool! :) [12:57] shazbot, mother%#%$@#%! [12:57] firebird619: basically, yes [12:57] ok, so far, i've found it's a bcm4312(from lspci -nn) [12:57] Blah need to get my car inspected, go figure when I'm on a the right path for fixing xorg XD later everyone. [12:57] Urchlay: there's settings in about:config you can change for that. [12:58] firebird619: actually, the fonts on web page form controls (submit buttons and text inputs and such) are the same size as the GUI, the too-small size... [12:58] ok so when someoen calls me via radio and i respond... and then respond in iteration... then they call my partner, he doesn't answer, and the clow gets pissed off? [12:58] come on... [12:58] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.240) left irc: ":wq" [12:58] *s/clow/clown [12:58] heh. And the "about:config" page actually uses the font size I want the rest of the GUI to use. Cute. [12:59] Urchlay: you can set that up in properties [12:59] lol, welcome to ff3, enjoy your stay. :P [12:59] hope so, cause about:config isn't really very user-friendly [12:59] Urchlay: i find it straightforward [12:59] I'd tell you were exactly but I dont even have FF installed anymore :D [13:00] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [13:00] ruins my "warranty" too! [13:00] lf4: good man, :P [13:00] Urchlay: I'm looking for the way, I did it many moons ago, I just can't remember now. [13:00] vastina: well, I went about:config and typed "font" for the filter, and there's still like 80 options shown [13:01] lf4: in the normal preferences, so far I only see options that affect the fonts on web pages, nothing for the GUI itself [13:01] try Opera :) [13:01] Urchlay: It could be you'll have to edit userChrome.css [13:02] dyn0myt3: +1, I LOVE opera, use it all the time. :) [13:02] opera is kinda ugly with the ad stuff last time i used it [13:02] Urchlay: welp, it'sa browser, has a load of font handling capabilities, the girth of options strikes you as odd? [13:02] Necos: the ad stuff has been gone since Opera 7. Opera 10 is in alpha now. [13:02] sod opera [13:03] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) left irc: "byez" [13:03] Necos: plus, they've changed the gui as well. [13:03] vastina: no, it doesn't strike me as odd at all. I said about:config isn't very user-friendly (on the other hand, it's very useful, didn't mean to imply it's not) [13:03] the gui seems fine now. but first time i have used it. [13:03] Urchlay: my misunderstanding then, i'm just glancing at this screen tbh [13:03] It is useful, it just provides you with a sea of options to try and sort through. [13:03] about:config ^^^ [13:03] just don't see anything in there containing the strings "font" and "ui" [13:04] dont use about:config! it will void your warranty!!! [13:04] Urchlay: from researching a bit here, you have to change userChrome.css [13:04] kama (n=kama@host231-113-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:04] is there a Widget manager preferred for Slack [13:04] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425465.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:04] spook: I'm already running slackware-current, I have no warranty :) [13:04] firebird619: figures. [13:04] lol, yeah. [13:05] Urchlay: the joke is the message that displays first time you go to about:config [13:05] Urchlay: I don't even have a userChrome.css file in .mozilla, maybe FF3 removed it. :P [13:05] I've got .mozilla/firefox/honcaz1t.default/chrome/userChrome-example.css [13:05] i think i may have found the solution [13:05] yup, found it. :P [13:05] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.83) joined ##slackware. [13:06] which I suppose I can copy of userChrome.css and edit [13:06] kama (n=kama@host231-113-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:06] yeah [13:06] s/of/to/ [13:06] broadcom releases a binary linux driver for it [13:06] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.83) left irc: Client Quit [13:06] Make menu items in particular 15 pt instead of the default size: [13:06] lmao @ about:config [13:06] userChrome.css ^^^ [13:06] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.83) joined ##slackware. [13:06] teh fun part of messing with 64-bit -current is going to be getting gcc to compile 32-bit binaries, when/if I need to do that [13:07] opera has their opera:config setup nicer. [13:07] /lib and /usr/lib have no libraries in them :) [13:07] is 64-bit current multilib? [13:08] I'm told it's "multilib-capable" [13:08] It does not ship with the capability to compile 32bit stuff [13:08] But that can be added [13:08] as in, it supports multilib, but doesn't actually come with any 32-bit stuff [13:08] right [13:08] alienBOB: is it an intended future feature? [13:08] firebird619: ah thx [13:08] Nopw [13:08] Nope [13:08] alienBOB: yeah. The main thing I see missing that's going to be irritating is /usr/include/gnu/stubs-32.h [13:08] any reason as to why? [13:09] PAt wants it to be 64bit-pure [13:09] which is part of glibc-solibs on slamd64, not part of the c/ series, so installing c won't help... [13:09] ah ok [13:09] CokSukr (i=1000@r11lj134.net.upc.cz) joined ##slackware. [13:09] it could have the benefit of killing off bluewhite64 [13:09] Urchlay: a new glibc package would be needed, and that is the only one I was going to build myself after the dust settles [13:10] alienBOB: fair enough [13:10] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:10] Whats the point of pure 64-bit? [13:10] danillo (n=slack@201.28.121.154) left ##slackware. [13:10] straterra: less of a maintenance nightmare [13:10] straterra: killing off bluewhite64 :P [13:11] multilib isn't a maintenance nightmare [13:11] nope [13:11] alienBOB, straterra meaning that you cna't run apps written for 32 bit? [13:11] can't* [13:11] especially since most of the libs are already in Slackware [13:11] eh, nightmare is too strong a word maybe, but it's extra work [13:11] ClaudioM_ (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:11] Ah..yeah..extra work [13:11] Like gnome..and pam [13:11] Gotcha [13:11] only so much they can do [13:12] the fonts in default Firefox are killing me... What fonts/size/settings do you use for a pleasent surfing? [13:12] am I the only one who imagine having slackbuilds for 32bit libs in extra/ ? [13:12] rucinter: fonts in web pages themselves, or the rest of the GUI (URL bar, menus, etc?) [13:12] Camarade_Tux: why? [13:12] in the webpage, in the menus are pretty much ok [13:13] in web pages, preferences->content->fonts&colors, set as you like, including a minimum font size [13:13] rucinter: Edit -> Preferences -> Content -> Fonts & Colors. Change it to something you like. [13:13] spook, the sources needed are already on the cd and that would solve the complaints [13:13] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:13] It also sometimes helps to uncheck the box for allowing web pages to set the font, size, etc. [13:13] thanks firebird619, I know the path, but I don't like what I find [13:13] sadly, if you turn off "allow web pages to choose their own fonts", a lot of pages' layouts get broken, sometimes to the point where they're unusable [13:13] yep, did that too [13:14] Camarade_Tux: there will be a lot of complaints in the weeks to come [13:14] Urchlay: yeah, yet some pages look horrible with the fonts they choose to set. :P [13:14] firebird619: especially if you're getting old and going blind like me [13:14] spook, that's unavoidable [13:15] Urchlay: one thing I don't like is some pages with a black background and tiny white or green font. After trying to read it for a feew minutes, your eyes go all buggy. :P [13:15] s/feew/few/ [13:15] I hate all pages with white backgrounds [13:15] lol [13:15] Camarade_Tux: your suggestion leads into "well if the source and build scripts are there, why dont they just provide the package too" [13:15] it makes sense for paper to be white, because paper doesn't act as a light source [13:16] monitors do [13:16] lol [13:16] also, people complaining when they dont follow instructions on building the packages. [13:16] sad aint it Urchlay [13:16] reading a black-on-white web page is a bit like trying to read a regular piece of paper with a flashlight behind it [13:16] I don't mind what the background color is, just make the fonts bigger and easily legible. Just because you (the web developer/designer) can read it well, doesn't mean others can. [13:17] interacial schemes [13:17] >.> [13:17] spook, is http://imagesforum.doctissimo.fr/mesimages/4227402/orangina-rouge.jpg an OK answer to that ? (that translate to becaaaaaauuuuuuuuuse) [13:17] firebird619: the worst abuses come when web devs make the assumption that some text label will fit in X number of pixels [13:17] however CSS doesn't really let you do much else [13:18] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@253.53.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [13:18] Camarade_Tux: i think your idea is nice, but it doesnt stop there. [13:19] im using Opera, but about:config is totally new to me. [13:19] dyn0myt3, oh my [13:19] i compiled and installed it myself. [13:20] spook, hmmm, too bad [13:21] zuhair (n=zuhair@167.205.3.48) left ##slackware ("pergi tuk kembali"). [13:21] dyn0myt3, opera? kinda doubt that [13:21] doubt what [13:21] heh [13:22] you compiling opera yourself [13:22] lmao, it dont come installed in slack, so how i get it to run ? [13:22] dyn0myt3: it's on slackbuilds.org. :P [13:22] HOW I SHOT WEB? [13:22] How you shot web? [13:22] blaguvest (n=chatzill@c-28a072d5.036-245-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:23] That's not even a complete sentence. [13:23] straterra: the correct answer is "LOL DUNNO" [13:23] luls [13:23] ya thats where i got the files [13:23] dyn0myt3: ... [13:24] you accidentially web. thats a complete, politically correct sentence. [13:24] i realize i am confused but i have no idea what your referring to. [13:24] Look on slackbuilds.org for instructions on how to use a slackbuild [13:24] occasionally I accidentially it as well. [13:24] i accidently sentence [13:24] the whole thing [13:25] but then i immediately [13:25] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@253.53.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:25] get banned? [13:25] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@253.53.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. 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[13:31] pri4pus: ifconfig (your device) down [13:32] pri4pus: i've taken to using wicd for that stuff [13:32] hrr. How do I get rid of the google search box on the FF3 toolbar? [13:32] wait dont you want to turn it on? [13:32] umislack (i=1000@58.64.93.162) joined ##slackware. [13:32] Urchlay: right click [13:32] customise [13:32] Thank you! [13:32] I did that [13:32] Urchlay: drag it [13:32] I don't think you can [13:33] you can. [13:33] straterra: you can move it about tho :p [13:33] I don't see any place within that "customize" dialog to affect the google box [13:33] i have done it [13:33] drag the google bar into the customise window [13:33] ah. While the modal dialog is open, grab the box from the toolbar [13:33] sorry, I never *ever* would have figured that out, I call it a UI fail [13:33] yosii: What is the right way to connect to a temporary wireless conection. After I use iwconfig wlan0 essid myname I get no conection. [13:34] Urchlay: ++ :p [13:34] is it wpa? [13:34] but you're right, it does work [13:34] WEP. [13:34] ew [13:34] changedname (i=1000@r11lj134.net.upc.cz) left irc: "leaving" [13:34] Urchlay: ... [13:34] ivan8013_ (n=slKIvs@253.53.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:37] is you were gonig to set Slackware 12.2 as a LAMP, which packages would you install? just Base and 'various apps that don't require X' ? [13:37] linux kernel source and system libraries? [13:37] HoldMyPocket: just install all of it [13:37] take out kde and e [13:38] the rest is nice to have, dependency wise [13:38] and definitely don't install kdei [13:38] okay, thanks guys [13:39] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. 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[13:48] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@253.53.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: "Saliendo" [13:48] lf4: got it fixed http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php [13:48] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:50] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:51] pri4pus (n=Mutinus@87.248.164.65) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:51] this may or may not be the proper place to ask this, but does anyone know how I can disable the virtual desktops only on my secondary display? I want the secondary display to show the same workspace when I change workspaces on my primary display [13:51] djgera (n=djgera@host67.190-224-184.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [13:51] using KDE* [13:52] greymaus (n=greymaus@86-46-239-168-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [13:52] spawn two different sessions of kde [13:52] djgera (n=djgera@host67.190-224-184.telecom.net.ar) left ##slackware. [13:52] nice yosii :) [13:52] running two different xsessions is the only way spook ? [13:53] Zordrak, my mother again told me it was my fault if *she* closed everything on her computer [13:53] lf4: using a closed source driver is better than it not working at all [13:53] hk0i: its A solution [13:53] now time for me to go work on my audio production software [13:54] spook: I'm wondering if I have a need to drag windows from one to the other or not... I didn't even consider 2 x sessions. I might give it a try [13:54] yosii: that is true :) I always just look for athoes chipsets in hardware I get. makes things easier to use madwifi :) [13:54] lf4: i have an ath5k that works without madwifi or ndiswrapper [13:54] just using the ath5k driver in kernel [13:56] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:56] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.84.211) joined ##slackware. [13:56] hi [13:56] lf4: a 242x [13:56] lf4: i think 5007eg [13:57] spook: much simpler solution - sticky the windows on the secondary display. :) [13:57] hk0i: i got you thinking [13:57] hehe [13:58] hey rg3 [13:58] hi rg3 [13:59] v4nelle (n=van@adsl107-113.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:00] nvision (n=nvision@g230013116.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:00] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-67-65-197-197.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:00] joannis (n=chatzill@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.16/2009041022]" [14:01] What are the numbers in modeline after the plck rate that gtf generates? [14:02] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:02] s/plck/pclk [14:06] toastyschool (n=toast@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. [14:06] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-26-251.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. 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[14:24] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: "configuring system" [14:24] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: "leaving" [14:24] rucinter (n=rucinter@tei4-ap2.bizarnet.ro) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:25] rworkman: if you're online, would you mind answering some simple questions about slackware64 package management? [14:27] You can ask any #slackbuilds admin rg3 but it may be more appropriate in #slackbuilds channel [14:27] seat` (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [14:27] Hi alienBOB. How are you? [14:27] or ask away.. I've been working with 64bit slackbuilds for quite a while ;) [14:27] Hi Dominian [14:27] hi firebird619 [14:27] alienBOB: oh, fine, I'm joining [14:27] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:28] fevel (n=fevel@189.106.181.224) joined ##slackware. [14:28] Dominian: have you built virtualbox on slackware-current 64-bit? [14:28] seat` (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:28] Urchlay: yep [14:28] well no [14:28] slamd64 [14:28] ;P [14:28] necropresto (n=necropre@unaffiliated/necropresto) joined ##slackware. [14:28] did you have trouble with the configure script's test program for detecting libcap? [14:28] I used to work with pprkut on a lot of that until I started using the binary installer [14:28] /usr/include/sys/capability.h:98: error: 'pid_t' was not declared in this scope [14:28] ...and so on [14:29] uhhh [14:29] nvision (n=nvision@g230013116.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [14:29] thats interesting.. never saw that happen. [14:29] me either, but then I never ran 64-bit -current before either :) [14:29] hi [14:30] will slack64 run 32b binaries? [14:30] http://pastebin.ca/1429023 <--- configure.log output if you're interested [14:30] Urchlay: what's te configure command line look like? [14:30] seat` (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [14:31] and are you using the build script from SBo? [14:31] necropresto: no. Though you may be able to make it do so by installing the c/ stuff from slamd64. I haven't tried it yet... [14:31] makerc (n=makerc@201-43-8-46.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:31] the one from builds.slamd64.com [14:31] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-072-148-151-050.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:31] (the SBo one was known not to work on 64-bit, last I checked, so I didn't try it) [14:31] ./configure --ose --disable-kmods --disable-hardening --disable-qt3 --disable-pulse [14:32] a lot of sbo slackbuilds are ready to x86_64 $ARCH [14:32] yeah, but virtualbox specifically is known not to be. Or was, a while back, anyway [14:33] can't remember the exact problem with it now, it's been a while [14:33] christian (n=christia@kobz-590d104d.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [14:33] hello [14:34] hello [14:34] im using nvidia and virtualbox 64 [14:34] i will try openoffice [14:34] necropresto: you using slamd64 or slackware64 -current? [14:34] i read slackware64, very great [14:35] slack64 [14:35] :D [14:35] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [14:35] Urchlay: hrm.. [14:35] it hit slashdot :/ [14:35] i use it since two hours [14:35] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:35] necropresto: what'd you use to build virtualbox? [14:35] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [14:35] Urchlay: I'd have to test the builds.slamd64.com one on my home box. [14:35] Introduce the idiots...ready...gogogogo [14:35] question, where is PKG_CONFIG_PATH set? [14:35] straterra: the announcement was put on digg.com yesterday :P [14:35] seat` (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:36] yosii: in your environment (/etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or whatever)... but you normally don't want/need to do that [14:36] Urchlay: i dount use ose version [14:36] Dominian: no hurry. I'll continue to mess with it, probably can fix it [14:36] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:36] necropresto: ah. That would explain it then. [14:36] Urchlay: a slackbuild is not finding a package i just installed and is complaining about it [14:36] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [14:37] heh, wonder if my old virtualbox-1.6.2 binary package for slamd64 would work on -current64 [14:38] Urchlay, i had some fun updating 1.6.2 vb to 2.1.x [14:38] depends how stable the API between virtualbox user and kernel stuff is, probably [14:38] some xml borkage [14:38] joy [14:38] yeah [14:38] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:38] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [14:38] glad to see vb 2.2.x supports usb.... about time. [14:38] not that i needed it ..... now, but. for the smurf's sake. [14:39] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [14:39] schneiderr: usb support has been in vb for a long time... [14:39] at least the last year or two, anyhow. [14:39] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:39] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:39] eviljames, interesting. it camouflaged really well then. i was on 1.6.2 until recently. [14:40] I think it's been longer than that even. [14:40] schneiderr: It's right there in Settings -> USB. It hasn't been hiding. [14:40] schneiderr: afaik it is only in the closed source version. [14:40] firebird619, eviljames thats what im saying :) [14:40] OSE edition only here, and a crappy only one for a really long time. [14:41] yes, it is only in closed-source. They're supposedly working on it for open-source too. [14:41] Oh, why? [14:41] ^inet (n=ddd@awf227.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:41] Is there some restriction on you downloading/using the closed version? [14:41] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:41] ^inet (n=ddd@awf227.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:42] some company policy [14:42] i dont know. [14:42] only used the OSE edition. ever since. [14:42] from what i read, 2.2.x has it (or some sort of usb support, at least) [14:42] 2.2.x ose? [14:42] yeah [14:42] :O [14:42] wakey wakey [14:43] Hi nix_lix3r, how are you? [14:43] i'm alright:) [14:43] seat` (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [14:43] schneiderr: got a link where it talks about that? I just looked in the changelog for it, didn't see anything unless I missed it. [14:43] Anakin- (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [14:43] schneiderr: Ahh, that's the commercial/puel divide it seems [14:43] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [14:44] nix_lix3r: It's 84 F here now with 40 mph wind gusts. :P Was 93 F yesterday. [14:44] KICKASS! My SDHC cards arrived [14:44] Of course..I can't use them..but yeah [14:44] OK, so the answer is no, my old vbox 1.6.2 binary package will not work with the 2.1.2 kernel module [14:44] 83 here:D [14:44] straterra: why can't you use them? [14:44] nix_lix3r: but is it windy there? [14:44] little [14:44] though it thinks it should work (Waiting for the remote session to open..., but it waits forever, nothing happens) [14:45] not too bad [14:45] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [14:45] firebird619: the item i ordered that uses the cards hasn't arrived yet [14:45] seat` (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:45] nix_lix3r: the wind is horrible here, it sucks. [14:45] Anyone got konqueor 4.2.3 running with adobe flash player? [14:45] straterra: ah, what size cards? [14:45] 16 [14:45] http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Changelog under 2.2.0 states usb support. it was in closed source edition before, so it's gotta be in OSE now. [14:45] and 16 [14:45] class 6 [14:46] firebird619, eviljames ^^^^ [14:46] MICRO size [14:46] straterra: I have 2 8GB, so in a way I have 16. :P [14:46] lies [14:46] class 6? [14:46] yeah [14:46] lol yep those are nice :) [14:46] seat` (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [14:47] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:47] I have one 4 GB micro SD card for my mp3 player. [14:47] class 6 [14:47] Mine is for my DSi [14:47] My phone came with a 8GB micro SD never bothered to check what class it was lol [14:48] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:48] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@200.158.124.249) left irc: "brb" [14:48] seat` (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:48] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [14:49] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:49] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:49] schneiderr: That doesn't really say usb support was added to open-source edition, it just says USB is automatically enabled in the virtual machines you create. [14:49] lf4: lol [14:49] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [14:49] wtf - mplayer just froze on me - so I did a killall gmplayer and it shutdown X [14:49] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:49] firebird619, you somehow cant come up with a link to contradict me, sooo until you, respectfluffily .... ;P [14:49] compl3x: haha [14:49] compl3x: haha [14:49] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [14:50] Action: compl3x slaps mplayer [14:50] schneiderr: nope, I can't, but you seemingly can't find me a link that says that usb support IS in ose. :D [14:50] compl3x: now your xorg is fsdisked :P [14:50] lf4: haha [14:50] firebird619, how about using it ;P [14:50] lf4: you know about that don't you. :P [14:51] schneiderr: NO, I use the closed-source version and am happy with it. [14:51] firebird619: I have nightmares about that now :D [14:51] i dont care, really, cos i got that shit i need configured around my usb needs ;p [14:51] lf4: haha [14:51] If it does it again - I was just typing that <- way guess what just happened. [14:51] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: Client Quit [14:51] firebird619, noooo, you cheater! [14:51] all I can say for sure is that USB wasn't in the 1.6.2 I was using up until a few hours ago [14:51] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [14:51] seriously wtf. [14:51] grr [14:52] killall -9 compl3x [14:52] Urchlay: I don't think it's in ose yet either, if it was, I would think it'd for sure be clearly stated in the changelog. [14:52] compl3x: the systems are rebelling :) [14:52] firebird619: ah, I was talking about 1.6.2-OSE [14:52] revenge of the machines. [14:52] its 2000 all over again [14:52] inahurry (i=bcirap@ariel.minilab.bdeb.qc.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:52] Urchlay, i think it's in latest OSE [14:52] I ran some older version of closed-source vbox a while back, can't even remember [14:52] firebird619's kids will tell us ;P [14:53] wish me luck guys 3rd time lucky :p [14:53] schneiderr: then install the latest and tell me if it's in there then. [14:53] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:53] firebird619, how much do you pay? [14:53] good luck compl3x lol [14:53] schneiderr: for what? [14:53] way VLC ftw! [14:53] initself (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:53] for an info you dont really care about ;P [14:53] lol [14:53] lol [14:54] schneiderr: I don't pay a dime, how's that? [14:54] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:54] schneiderr: I'll pay you $100USD to give me your credit card info and any Goverment ID's you have. :) [14:54] if only I had lots of money, I'd pay you both to quit arguing about it... [14:54] lf4: 419 eh? [14:54] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:54] pri4pus (n=Mutinus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [14:54] lf4, i already check on the net if my credit card had been stolen. awaiting info shortly. will keep you posted, mate. [14:55] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [14:55] lf4, cheapskate [14:55] schneiderr: haha sounds good, nix_lix3r lol ok i'll up it $101USD ;) [14:55] Urchlay: I'm not trying to argue about it, but if he says latest vbox ose has usb support, show me proof. I highly doubt if that was added, they would leave it out of the changelogs. [14:56] lf4, i know. ;p [14:56] fevel (n=fevel@189.106.181.224) left irc: [14:56] lf4: wow, that $1 really adds to it eh? :P [14:56] Jhodas (n=Jhodas@cpc4-seac20-2-0-cust262.7-2.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Success [14:56] now how in the hell am I going to get the unconscious dog out from under my bed? [14:56] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:56] Oh yeah firebird619 you know the economy will soon be back up where you can get a house with $1 ;) [14:57] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [14:57] haha [14:57] Urchlay, cats. [14:57] Urchlay: I suggest a long hook [14:57] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:57] he's had 2 benadryls (which would knock me out, and he weighs 1/4 what I do...) [14:57] Urchlay: wave a doggy treat under his nose? :P [14:57] has anybody tried slackware64? [14:57] fevel (n=fevel@189.106.181.224) joined ##slackware. [14:57] inahurry: running it now [14:57] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:57] is it possible to install it without usb key? [14:57] huh? uh, yeah [14:58] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:58] follow the instructions in the isolinux/ dir, for making a DVD [14:58] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [14:58] Freak slackware 13 will be 64bit? Thats awesome! [14:58] (although that's not how I installed it, I can't guarantee it'll work as-is...) [14:58] thanks [14:58] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:59] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [14:59] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:59] lf4: there will be slackware 13.0 and slackware64 13.0, basically [14:59] I actually installed it from a running slamd64 system with upgraded tar, pkgtools, and xz packages from -current... installed to an empty partition with installpkg --root /mnt/new .... [14:59] is something missing in slackware64? [14:59] inahurry: 32-bit compatibility libraries [14:59] if you consider that to be "something missing" [15:00] it's going to stay that way, do you know? [15:00] inahurry: missing? it has 32 more bits! [15:00] I believe so [15:00] yes [15:00] inahurry: you ought to be able to use the c/ packages from slamd64 though (it's on my list of stuff to try real soon now) [15:00] 32-bit was so 1999 [15:00] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:01] rg3: nice :) I'll have to get brave enought to try -current and mess around with 64bit [15:01] Hasnt 64bit been around since the early 90's? [15:01] depends [15:01] 64-bit CPUs have probably been around since the 1980s [15:01] but not x86_64 [15:01] seat` (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [15:01] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:02] mainly arm wasn't it? [15:02] Urchlay and straterra thats true. [15:02] Dominian: I was thinking big-iron type stuff [15:02] but I dunno details [15:03] firebird619: apparently he's too tired to care about treats [15:03] 64-bit CPUs have existed in supercomputers since the 1960s and in RISC-based workstations and servers since the early 1990s. [15:03] risc thats what I was thinking of.. [15:03] that's a quote from wikipedia [15:03] Jhodas (n=Jhodas@cpc4-seac20-2-0-cust262.7-2.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:03] firebird619: he'll eat the treat if it doesn't actually involve moving his head... otherwise he's not interested [15:04] lol [15:04] that's a lazy bastard =p [15:04] haha [15:04] nah, he's stoned [15:04] Urchlay: what kind of dog? [15:04] eh, or anyway zonked on benadryls [15:04] >.> [15:04] black lab and some sort of bulldog mix [15:04] what kind of pet owner are you? [15:04] lol [15:04] one that wants peace and quiet from the dog. :P [15:05] Necos: actually I'm not the owner, he belongs to the lady I rent a room from [15:05] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [15:05] so you're drugging someone elses dog? :P [15:05] apparently he's got some sort of irritated patch of skin [15:05] eh, no, she drugged her own dog [15:05] and he chose my room to crash out in :) [15:05] ah, ok. :D [15:06] only reason I want him out of the room is so I can go to sleep with the door closed [15:06] (if I sleep with the door open, I have to sleep fully dressed. Yuck.) [15:08] Action: compl3x never sleeps naked [15:08] i do, every night [15:08] bet you at least sleep without a shirt on [15:08] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl4-165-199.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:08] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: "oops" [15:08] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:09] Urchlay: yeah just underwear minus socks [15:09] Pretty much the minute I get home I drop trow and am nude or mostly nude from that point on. [15:09] yeah... well I wouldn't want the old lady to see me in just underwear [15:09] Sleeping, of course, has to be naked. anything else is uncomfortable. [15:09] Urchlay: why not ? :p [15:09] either she'd get grossed out, or turned on, and I don't want either reaction [15:09] eviljames: agreed [15:09] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [15:09] ooh ooh - grossed out + turned on ;) [15:10] though I *can* sleep with clothes on if there's no alternative... rather not right now, the A/C isn't on [15:10] compl3x: you might think she's a g-milf, if you're into such things... I'm not [15:10] Urchlay: haha [15:10] for standard desktop use, should I go for slackware64 or stay with slackware? [15:11] inahurry: it would depend on your requirements. [15:11] inahurry: do you consider yourself qualified/experienced enough to run slackware-current? [15:11] cause right now that's all slackware64 is, there's no stable release of it yet [15:11] Urchlay: hurry up ;) [15:11] I run slackware-current now and didn't encouter problems so far [15:12] well, nobody else will make the decision for you [15:12] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [15:14] I can't make up my mind, I read contradicting things about x86_64 and i686 [15:14] I never tried a 64bit OS before, and I was wondering if I will benefit with better performance [15:15] Well, for certain operations, definitely (ie: md5sum) [15:15] but would it be noticeable? debateable. [15:16] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:16] I never ran 32-bit slack on the one amd64 CPU I have, so I have no real basis for comparison [15:17] I ran 32bit slack on a core2, changed over to 64, overall don't notice it but everything was snappy in 32 bit [15:17] basically I went with a 64-bit OS because I figure within a few years, everyone will be running 64-bit, might as well get started early [15:17] I had to time hashing iso images to be certain there even was a difference :D [15:17] I have 4gb ram btw but when I boot only 3.3gb is available... is this because I run 32-bit OS? [15:17] do you use an onboard graphics chip? [15:18] yes, but it's only 256mb [15:18] Urchlay: I do, and I see 3937 available with 2x2GB chips [15:18] but that's slamd64, so perhaps it does make a difference [15:18] w/available/total [15:18] I don't see my full 4gb on 32bit [15:18] err dammit, s/w/s/ hehe [15:18] I have 2x1GB, and I see 2005MB on slack64 [15:18] and I don't have internal graphics [15:19] fevel (n=fevel@189.106.181.224) left irc: [15:19] 2x1G = 2009 [15:19] I use onboard graphics and don't think it comes out of what is seen by free/top [15:19] (or anyway I don't use internal graphics, I suppose the BIOS could be dumb enough to allocate some RAM to it even though it's disabled...) [15:19] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.150) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:19] I will disable it and see what difference it makes, thank you [15:20] hahaha we have dog the bounty hunter eating lunch here [15:20] :D [15:20] necropresto: possibly I have 4M less usable RAM than you because I'm running the -huge kernel [15:20] inahurry (i=bcirap@ariel.minilab.bdeb.qc.ca) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.20/2008121709]" [15:20] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.150) joined ##slackware. [15:21] can I update kde 3.5 to 4? [15:21] vastina: really? [15:21] more interestingly though, i received a brand new chair! [15:21] compl3x: no shit mate [15:21] :p [15:21] Urchlay: im on generic [15:21] hehe [15:21] gay blonde hair and everything [15:21] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-88-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:21] haha [15:21] dyn0myt3: not in slackware 12.2 [15:22] vastina: make a crude remark about the size of his wife's knockers. See how well that goes for you :D [15:22] thrice: k thx [15:22] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) joined ##slackware. [15:22] necropresto: the loss of 1/5 of a percent of my RAM is worth it to avoid having to deal with the initrd [15:22] vastina: scratch that, get one of your co-workers to do it. tape it. if the video is funny, post it. [15:22] eviljames: yeah, try no [15:22] dyn0myt3: the development version (-current) has kde4, so you'd have to upgrade your whole system [15:22] I used to always compile the kernel right after every install, but, eh, I got bored with it [15:22] shmalu (i=shmalu@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/x-5559c53605913143) joined ##slackware. [15:23] k better to wait :) [15:23] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:23] one of my mates was actually nailed by dog and was acquitted two weeks later [15:23] er [15:23] "nailed" can have so many contextual meanins... [15:23] Urchlay: but mkinitrd is so easy [15:23] nailed in the context of criminal incarceration Dominian, mind out of the toilet [15:24] necropresto: when/if I compile a new kernel, it'll have everything needed for booting built-in, no initrd required [15:24] I never did like initrd... not having one by default was always one of the things I liked about old Slackware versions [15:24] Dominian: your 'nailed'! [15:25] /away again [15:25] pri4pus (n=Mutinus@87.248.164.65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:25] "The only reason that parrot was sittin' on 'is perch in the first place was that he'd been nailed there!" [15:25] why doesnt slack support the 64 bit platform or is it a matter of future transition [15:26] VampirePenguin: slackware64-current was just released yesterday [15:26] VampirePenguin: bad timing on your part [15:26] read /topic [15:26] lol [15:26] oh i havent relogged in so i dont see topic all the time [15:26] /topic [15:26] just type it :P [15:26] ya [15:26] i know [15:26] actually for most of us the /topic cuts off after 80 characters (or however wide our terminals are), I have no idea what all's in there :) [15:27] Action: vastina points at VampirePenguin and laughs at the sn [15:27] " Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://s" <--- all I see [15:27] you should know these things vampire [15:27] Urchlay: /topic [15:27] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [15:27] compl3x: yeah, but how often do you actually type /topic? [15:27] sigh [15:27] quite a bit actually [15:27] weirdos [15:27] not often im in here for days unless i get disconnected [15:27] If you need to read the topic, typing /topic seems like a good way to do it... [15:27] Urchlay: not often :p [15:28] eviljames: yeah my point :p [15:28] well that is cool [15:28] in all my years of using IRC, I think the only times I've typed /topic were on my tiny IRC client for the Atari 800 [15:28] i saw the topic the other day about the txz format [15:28] next subject! [15:29] honestly it never even occurred to me that the /topic in this channel ever changes... [15:29] it does from time to time [15:30] yeah.. like yesterday [15:30] oh, from the cyrus-sasl security update [15:30] yeah, but the first 80-100 characters don't, so unless I'm actually looking at my IRC window when it happens, I won't notice... am sure this happens to anyone else using irssi [15:30] i use epic >.> [15:30] Action: vastina just laughs at the longevity of such a petty subject [15:31] vastina: can't you see we're *bored*? [15:31] well, I am anyway [15:31] Urchlay: daily man, daily [15:31] been awake too long, mind turning into mush [15:31] could be worse [15:31] ok for all whom use current what is the advantage of using it over using stable and doesnt it involve constant changing of modules/config files [15:32] VampirePenguin: bug hunting/testing.. being on the latest/greatest.. [15:32] VampirePenguin: there arte no advantages other than bleeding edge potentially insecure code [15:32] *s/arte/are [15:33] VampirePenguin: in my case, I only just switched to -current because it suddenly started supporting 64-bit, and I was curious... [15:33] fevel (n=fevel@189.106.181.224) joined ##slackware. [15:33] VampirePenguin: just because of your question, i'd say stick with stable [15:33] (well, and I'd been procrastinating about upgrading from slamd64 12.1 to 12.2 for months) [15:33] yeah. "If you have to ask, the answer is no" type of deal [15:34] How would I set the timezone for my user account? [15:34] vastina, i actually prefer stable apps over bug hunting, etc..... because this is my main box and i just need everything to work; but if i had a testing box sure i would use current [15:34] ccfreak2k: the timezone is system-wide, afaik [15:34] ccfreak2k: man date [15:34] tzset or something like that [15:34] hm, is it even possible to set the timezone on a per-account basis? [15:35] i'd imagine so, since it's just reading from /etc/hwclock or whatever [15:35] (well, other than maybe the timezone in KDE, which I suppose would be stored in ~/.kde somewhere) [15:35] toastyschool (n=toast@208.233.36.250) left irc: "leaving" [15:35] Yes, there's a timezone for the system (so the system knows what time it really is), but users can set their own time offsets. [15:35] VampirePenguin: until your proficiency can be self-dubbed amateur hacker in a realistic sense, stick with stable over shooting yourself in the foot, even on "testing" boxes [15:35] ccfreak2k: you have to copy (or link) one of the files in /usr/share/zoneinfo to the file /etc/localtime [15:36] ccfreak2k: oh, i see [15:36] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [15:37] nothing i hate more than a corrupted lib or "alpha" quality code flat-lining on execution [15:37] well vastina, people coming from debian are used to having "unstable" packages that "just work (tm)" [15:37] Necos: hahaha that [15:37] 's funny in itself [15:37] vastina, well i used debian for the most part the last 6 yrs stable to sid, but compiling programs is a new beast to me.. i was messing around the other day and following alienBOB kernel making guide... there are soo many options available in a kernel change im like .... its not broke im not gonna fix it [15:37] LOL [15:37] exactly! [15:37] vastina: did i call it or what? [15:38] Necos: on the nose man, spot on [15:38] VampirePenguin: trust me, use stable and build proficiency [15:38] i've always used stable with minor upgrades to packages as needed [15:38] ccfreak2k: ok, according to "man timezone", the C calls are affected by the presence of the TZ environment variable [15:39] i stayed with 11.0 upgraded piecewise until i installed 12.1 from scratch [15:39] then, and only then, start tinkering on -current, unless -current is offering something imperative to your system's functionality [15:39] ccfreak2k: i can confirm it apparently works when i do "TZ=US/Pacific date" [15:39] and i'll probably keep my 12.1 installed upgraded piecewise until 13 [15:39] thats the thing everything on my box works so theres really no need to change it [15:40] so then leave it be :) [15:40] touche [15:40] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:40] i really enjoy the abscence of wrappers and stuff... the rc.d set up is different but cool so its all good [15:41] my motto with slackware is: "upgrade when needed" [15:41] Shuren (n=Devilman@host14-169-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "In silence we still talk..." [15:41] rc.d setup in slackware is BSD-based, but there's support for SysV style too [15:41] VampirePenguin: once you go slack, you're touching the face of "real unix", and real Unicians embrace stability unless we get a wild hair up our arse and want to get into writing device drivers or apps [15:41] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-40-159-71.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:42] fgdfas (n=dfgdf@91-115-212-238.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [15:42] bleah. rc.d in slackware isn't really that much like BSD [15:42] brb... [15:42] arch is closer to the bsds in that regard [15:42] it's definitely not SysV =p [15:42] w4lk (n=w4lk@cpe-071-068-224-209.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:42] Urchlay: not too much, sysv init warps the similarity beyond recognition [15:42] it's sysV because it supports multiple runlevels other than just "single" and "multiuser" [15:42] anywho, brb [15:43] i can follow code but im really not good at writing it, i do simple bash scripts and cron jobs, i enjoying getting into setting up the hardware and helping ppl... then they can do what they need to do from there [15:43] VampirePenguin: well, quit chattin and start slackin [15:43] hehe [15:43] not sure what BSD's init stuff looked like 20 years ago, but the modern BSDs are very different from slackware in the rc.d department... [15:44] that... has to be about the most cheesy and stupid shit line i've ever said in IRC.... allow [15:44] vastina: lol [15:45] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [15:45] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:46] Action: vastina <3s BSD [15:46] Linux is second to me [15:46] seat` (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:46] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [15:46] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:46] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [15:47] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:48] Bold` (i=afawaz@ner-as12811.alshamil.net.ae) joined ##slackware. [15:50] learning in the openBSD community however is comparable to getting shot in the sack with a tennis ball repeatedly, therefore i prefer books [15:50] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:50] or netbsd [15:50] i run freenas on my server 64 bit [15:51] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [15:51] fevel (n=fevel@189.106.181.224) left irc: [15:51] Dominian: not a big fan of netbsd, openbsd gives a much larger sense of warmth and comfort [15:52] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.105.65) joined ##slackware. [15:52] obsd has some killer docs [15:52] VampirePenguin: bingo [15:52] exactly why i love it [15:52] documentation is second to none [15:52] i have to agree [15:52] they're about to use the new urine purifier for the first time http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?id=1368163 [15:54] antiwire: i don't know about you, but i'm not really keen on drinking filtered out urine, just something about where that liquid's recently been, and what the filter has endured before your latest filtration need.... yeah, sounds about as exciting and palatable as the japanese refining human faeces to a digestable tablet... no. [15:54] netbsd is nice, it's probably the closest thing there is to actual Berkeley UNIX that was made in this century... [15:55] it's just water with some salts and chemicals that are actually fairly easy to remove [15:55] antiwire: the mental image... [15:55] ( at least easy at this point in time ) [15:55] here they go lol [15:55] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.150) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:55] Ugh, that stream won't open for me now. FF crashes and opera tries opening it in mplayer. [15:56] and fails I might add. [15:56] antiwire: it's not a chemical problem, it's an irrational human problem (one I share, I wouldn't knowingly drink recycled urine unless I was dying of thirst and nothing else was available) [15:56] Urchlay: or on a space station with limited water right? [15:57] mmm spae station [15:57] sweet, I opened it in vlc. [15:57] antiwire: eh, well, if I were on a space station, I'd expect there wouldn't be anything else available... and I'm sure I'd get used to the idea [15:57] antiwire: how about just giving us a huge amoutn of fiji water and an RO filtration system, no drinking my own piss [15:58] or you could try using the sun to power a magic matter converter to pull water out of thin space [15:58] the space station is close enough to earth anyway, and the government loves blowing our money anyway, why not send a couple rockets up with fiji water [15:58] since there's no air available up there [15:58] I have a question: Is there an easy (as in without credit card, so possible bank transfer) way to donate to Slackware? Something like http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html? [15:58] and yes I'm aware that the water I drink here on earth came from a river that's full of human and animal piss (and other pollutants) [15:58] like I said, it's irrational [15:59] _arfon_ (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] Bold` (i=afawaz@ner-as12811.alshamil.net.ae) left ##slackware. [15:59] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [15:59] compoletely irrational, but picture this; some enormous black man with fart-funk... whips out his junk, whips up a fresh batch of southern lemonade, and 5 minutes later, voila, your new fountain of youth... mmm [16:00] >.> [16:00] what's with you and black people vastina? >.> [16:00] "southern lemonade"? ewww [16:00] yeah why does the person being black matter? [16:00] i watch too much south park and cartman amuses me [16:00] fine make him a huge chinese man [16:01] with kim-chi funk because he ate in korea [16:01] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:01] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:01] anyway I said it's irrational, not invalid... people aren't 100% rational creatures [16:02] (probably not even 50%, for most of us) [16:02] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:03] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:03] that's awesome i want one of those machines [16:03] antiwire: who cares, i was painting a picture, make him white make him samoan... why does everyone bitch when they see THAT particular colour? [16:03] the only reason i even called any attention to the whole black person thing is that i happen to be black... [16:03] whatever man keep digging that hole [16:04] Action: straterra resists urge to say something [16:04] What's the best way to install Slackware64 right now? [16:04] heh, go for it straterra (mr. chloroform) [16:04] Necos: fantastic, but i've never had any ill intent towards a grouping of people [16:04] :) [16:04] BrunoXLambert: if you have to ask, you probably shoudln't [16:04] I was just going to say from my experience, black people are more racist than whites.. [16:04] But alas [16:04] hehehe [16:04] ++thrice` [16:05] oh crap, are we having a race war now? /me hides in his bunker [16:05] straterra: which is true for the most part (nowadays, because most blacks carry a chip on their shoulder) [16:05] Necos: Agreed [16:05] wow [16:05] no, i just accidentally hit a nerve, but i trust Necos knows my comment was innocent in a biggotry sense [16:05] thanks guy [16:06] BrunoXLambert: you can make your own DVd, or use the usb installers [16:06] Dominian (i=dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: "leaving" [16:06] BrunoXLambert: have you read the instructions in the isolinux/ directory on how to make a DVD iso? [16:06] vastina: indeed, i didn't think it was inflamatory [16:07] you could do what I did (use the pkgtools, tar, xz packages from 64-bit -current on your existing slamd64 install, create a new partition, use 'installpkg --root /mnt/new' to install all the -current packages, edit lilo.conf, boot into the new partition...) [16:07] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:08] Urchlay, I will. [16:08] so no official media [16:08] that's good [16:08] eh, and then curse a bit and reboot into the old partition because you forgot to create /etc/fstab and set a root password for the new partition :) [16:08] thank you [16:08] necropresto (n=necropre@unaffiliated/necropresto) left irc: "leaving" [16:08] hehe [16:09] Dominian (i=dominian@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [16:09] that is the only thing i dumped from my slack install first thing... lilo.... ill take grub anyday over lilo [16:09] it also helps to actually have an extra partition if you're going to do it that way (I broke one out of my raid1) [16:09] hello all :) [16:09] hey Old_Fogie [16:09] Hi Old_Fogie, how are you? [16:09] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:09] ye olde foagie [16:09] Urchlay: you could also use pivot_root [16:10] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:10] eviljames: not once I'd rebooted (never made it to a login prompt)... before rebooting, I would likely have used chroot [16:10] if I'd not gotten all excited & jumped the gun, I mean [16:11] Old_Stoagie: how are you man? [16:12] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:12] I suppose I should've read that part above before suggesting pivot_root... [16:12] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:12] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Operation timed out [16:12] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:12] fevel (n=fevel@189.106.181.224) joined ##slackware. [16:12] eviljames: well I could have also put on the lilo command line 'root=/dev/sda2 init=/bin/sh' to get a shell, and fixed it from there [16:13] A_666_A (n=sidmario@201-92-115-31.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:13] VampirePenguin: you and i are so opposite... fsck grub, ohhh how i hate grub [16:13] eh, but, I wanted to make sure my old system would still boot, so went ahead & did it that way [16:13] (so now I'm dual-booting slamd64 and slack64, first time I've dual-booted in years...) [16:14] Old_Fogie: /poke [16:14] vastina, cool np about that.... i used lilo a long time again when i was first starting in linux and there was some size limitation thing bc i think i was doing a dual boot... it couldnt handel it but grub could and the config file was easy for me [16:15] Necos: ow quit it :) [16:15] that was a brotherly love-tap... lol [16:16] I have a potentially dumb question, if anybody might know... /dev/md1 used to be a 4-drive raid1 set. I kicked one partition out of it, which works fine, but /proc/mdstat keeps showing that it's got a missing drive... any way to tell it to become a 3-drive set short of re-running "mdadm --create"? [16:16] Urchlay: not until kernel 2.6.30 [16:16] VampirePenguin: to each his own, I just state my opinions and hear what others feel. i just find grub too flamboyant for my needs [16:16] grub is annoying :( [16:17] especially when it breaks [16:17] i've used lilo since i started using linux back with RH4 [16:17] Necos: yeah, remember that issue i had a couple weeks ago with my partner installing fedora/grub [16:17] blah! and know what saved our arses? lilo! to create a vanilla mbr haha [16:17] eviljames: hm. Actually what I ought to do is just that, I've got plenty of space elsewhere, just back up md1's contents and blow it away completely [16:18] 3 or 4 drives for a raid1 is overkill anyway [16:18] Urchlay: I think ou're right on that. especially the 2nd half. [16:18] If both drives fail simultaneously in a 2x RAID1 then it was meant to be. [16:18] the idea was, for reads, the kernel could interleave them between all 4 drives [16:18] besides 3-4 is 1-2 drives of wasted space imho :D [16:18] lol [16:18] Did the idea work? [16:18] not so you'd notice, no [16:19] testing my bell for irssi, can someone type my name pls [16:19] Old_Fogie: no [16:19] ! still dont work [16:19] Mack_ (n=Mack@ool-43574d03.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [16:19] hmmm. [16:19] Old_Fogie, [16:20] Old_Stoagie [16:20] Old_Fogie [16:20] what about using the hdparm -{t,T} ? [16:20] eviljames: even hdparm agrees, my idea was worthless (/dev/md0's reported speed is the same as that of one drive) [16:21] hahah great minds think alike [16:21] :) [16:21] If that is the case, nuke 'em all I say. [16:21] Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. [16:21] Mack_ (n=Mack@ool-43574d03.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [16:21] but it came about because I had already created the partitions, then decided I didn't want raid5 for my root fs [16:21] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-40-159-71.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:22] Jhodas (n=Jhodas@cpc4-seac20-2-0-cust262.7-2.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:22] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:22] Urchlay: I'm planning out my next hd acquisition, I'm thinking an 80Gto match the current / for me, and 2x 500 to make a simple 1TB RAID5 for /home [16:22] at the time, had 5 identical-sized 250GB drives, made 240GB partitions on all of them for use as raid5, had 10GB left over on each one [16:22] where i can find slackbuild of postfix? [16:23] Urchlay: That's a great way to account for size differences between drives, by massively overcompensating like that. [16:23] Some people say to just leave maybe 100MB at the end of the disk, I disagree. [16:23] and any one know a good tutorial for instal postfix+mysql?? [16:23] slackbuilds.org for the build script [16:23] wow, that's a lot of space for /home >.> [16:24] sidmario (n=sidmario@189.111.72.144) left irc: Connection timed out [16:24] Necos: I currently use a 500GB drive exclusively for home. I have 80GB free and shrinking rapidly. [16:24] thrice` (i=thrice@noobfarm.org) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:24] eviljames: there were no size differences... but one of those drives *had* to be my boot drive, and I didn't want a ginormous / [16:25] and there's zero use in having one 240G partition and 4 250G ones in a raid5 (the extra on each partition is ignored) [16:25] Urchlay: Right, but if one of the disks burst into flames and you had to replace it with a different 250g drive you can't be certain that the geometry will match the ones you currently have [16:25] http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/20/1819252&art_pos=1&art_pos=1 [16:25] eviljames: well, when one of those disks did burst into flames, disk prices had come down enough that I could afford to replace it with a 500G instead :) [16:25] heh nice. [16:26] eviljames: too much pr0n, eh? [16:26] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: ""bbiab"" [16:26] _RadioHead (n=dardan@82.114.75.254) joined ##slackware. [16:26] I really need to quit using a raid1 device for swap, too [16:26] the raid faq points out that it's useless [16:26] Necos: whoa whoa whoa... let's not be hasty here. [16:27] lol [16:27] Urchlay: I think it's actually detrimental, iirc [16:27] hk0i (n=hk0i@64.20.189.254) left irc: "ahhhh" [16:27] fortunately I use swap rarely enough that it's not all that detrimental... [16:27] you'd be doubling the amount of write data, no? [16:27] Necos: Lots of tracks in ardour, though. [16:27] ardour is awesome [16:27] Necos: that may be exactly why it says not to do that [16:27] It is REALLY awesome...at filling hard drives. [16:28] Necos: doubleing write data w/o the important part of doubling read throughput. [16:28] <_RadioHead> hapy slackware64 :) [16:28] <_RadioHead> evening Urchlay man :) [16:28] Hi _RadioHead, how are you? [16:28] OTOH, I once found out first-hand what happens if the disk with your swap partition quits working while you're using lots of swap... [16:28] lol [16:28] hey _RadioHead [16:28] yah, that's painful [16:28] <_RadioHead> hey firebird619 , i am fine dude thank you . How are you? [16:29] _RadioHead: doing great, thank you. [16:29] LinuxyErin (n=erin@ppp-70-252-130-205.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:29] <_RadioHead> glad 2 hear that man. [16:29] <_RadioHead> great finaly official slackware64 :) [16:30] etb (n=wbb@83.212.57.101) joined ##slackware. [16:30] anyone knows of a sd card data recovery program? [16:30] hahah the commentary on /. is pretty good. [16:30] I still remember the guy who tried to swap regular IDE drives with the power on... it happened to work for him once, so he was gonna show off to me "hey, look what I can do"... turns the key in the drive caddy, screen fills with error message... the look on his face was comical [16:30] windows only, but you should use pci smart recovery [16:30] eh, slashdot? people still read that? [16:30] LOL [16:30] With regard to the "...things are working well enough" an AC replies: "From personal experience 'well enough' for the Slackware folks is far beyond anything others consider 'fabulous'" [16:30] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [16:31] Urchlay: There was a link posted above, I had to click.. [16:31] Urchlay: It made me feel so late 90's or turn of the century, reading about slackware on /. [16:31] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.41) joined ##slackware. [16:31] aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ! [16:31] Action: Camarade_Tux feels better [16:31] Hi Camarade_Tux [16:31] Just get off the toilet? [16:31] hahaha [16:32] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [16:32] he made his way back from the toilet of doom [16:32] lol [16:32] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-226-22-184.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:32] one of the first few comments: "Slackware is being very conservative, and it's core system hasn't changed a lot in recent years" [16:32] Necos: Above with Urchlay I said "great minds think alike"... here the corollary is applicable: "Fools seldom differ>" [16:32] obviously the guy never noticed the dbus/hal/udev stuff exists in slackware now... [16:32] lol [16:33] eviljames, no, I have to work on an xml file but of course it's undocumented so I actually have to document everything ! [16:33] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.151.99) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [16:33] Camarade_Tux: you poor bastard. [16:33] Camarade_Tux: shall i get the pistol ready? [16:34] ugh. XML seems to have caused more problems than it ever solved... [16:34] the last undocumented xml file I had to deal with was describing microsoft's updates, and it was easier to figure out [16:34] Is there a 12.2 USB ISO? Or an Install-From-USB-HowTo? [16:34] Urchlay, yep, definitely [16:34] the fun XML files are the ones that completely miss the point of using XML [16:35] I have a Dell X300 [16:35] XML abuse is even far more common than AJAX abuse these days [16:35] ones where they used to use comma-separated text files, and were forced by management to use XML for a bullet point somewhere [16:35] That desperately needs to have slackware on it. [16:35] so they look like blah,blahblah,foo,0,1,2 [16:35] Nick change: A_666_A -> sidmario [16:36] usr13, read the note at the beginning of http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:usbboot [16:36] I've even seen "xml" files that were COBOL-style fixed-width fields wrapped in tags [16:36] Urchlay, haha :p [16:36] pri4pus (n=Mutinus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [16:36] Urchlay: that's just... pathetic... [16:36] usr13: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/isolinux/README.TXT [16:37] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425465.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:37] but even stuff that was designed to be XML from the start, I've run into things like... 02/04/09 [16:37] that one is only undocumented but since I have to figure it out... [16:37] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [16:37] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "¬" [16:38] fevel (n=fevel@189.106.181.224) left irc: [16:38] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:38] also, I'd just want the DTD, nothing more than the DTD (the DTD describes the structure of the xml file and you can validate an xml file *against* a dtd) [16:38] is that Feb 4, 2009 (or 1909, 2109?), or is it April 2, or is it maybe September 4, 2002? [16:38] Anyone working on 32bit compatibility package for Slackware64? [16:38] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) left irc: "Quitte" [16:38] Arirang: I'm sure eomeone is [16:38] Dominian, yeah [16:38] May not be someone on the Slackware dev team per se.. but I'm sure someone is ;) [16:38] Arirang: There is slamd64, which has 32bit compatibility. [16:39] what is that compatibility needed for nowadays? is there a major package still without 64 bit version? [16:39] anyone know why this is in the apache user's crontab: * * * * * /tmp/.font-unix/font1/1/update >/dev/null 2>&1 [16:39] Arirang: there's a good chance that the c/ series (32-bit compatibility libs) will Just Work on slackware64. I haven't gotten around to trying it yet [16:39] rg3: Enemy Territory for one :P [16:39] rg3: wine w/ 32bit windows games. [16:39] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:39] ah, i see, thanks :) [16:39] <_RadioHead> evenin Dominian [16:39] Dominian: the user's account has been compromised? [16:39] There are quite a few things that still want 32bit. [16:39] Camarade_Tux: Urchlay Tnx [16:39] Urchlay: in that case, you might as well use localtime(time()) [16:40] >.<; [16:40] eviljames, I started downloading it last night, and while at it, I read it in here that Slackware64 is out, so I stopped it, but found out that it's not multililb [16:40] Urchlay: dunno need someone with a slackware install to: crontab -l httpd or whatever the user is on your system [16:40] so I downloaded Slamd64 again [16:40] hehe [16:40] Arirang: use bittorrent for the slamd64 isos, you'll be borrowing my bandwidth :P [16:40] thrice` (i=thrice@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [16:40] eviljames, neh, it didn't take very long to download [16:40] $ sudo crontab -l apache [16:40] no crontab for apache [16:40] thanks [16:40] rsync :) [16:40] I think little bit over an hour or so [16:41] for the DVD image [16:41] :D [16:41] Dominian: forensics can be fun & interesting, see what that binary really does... [16:41] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:41] ahh, not bad. [16:41] Urchlay: there's nothing there [16:41] ah [16:42] in that case, the account was compromised by a complete idiot of a skript kiddie :) [16:42] hahah [16:42] If I just use fdisk to shrink the NTFS partition, will it leave the XP install or wipe it? [16:42] Time for AppArmor or some IDS! [16:42] Urchlay: well its possible that it was compromised a while ago.. before I had /tmp mounted noexec,nsuid [16:43] Who knows if they haven't replaced top or some other binary with malicious code [16:43] Or do I need a non-destructive partitioning tool like gparted? [16:43] er.. nosuid.. I've found a u.txt file getting uploaded to /tmp every few days to a week or so... so auditing apache to find out where its coming from [16:43] you know noexec doesn't really work, right? [16:43] Urchlay: uhh yeah it does [16:43] well, sort-of [16:43] Urchlay: mount /tmp as noexec,nosuid.. try to build a slackbuild script tha tuses /tmp for its build directory [16:43] usr13, download Partition Magic [16:43] I found that gparted/libparted was faaaaar less reliable than fdisk or cfdisk [16:43] to execute a binary on a noexec /tmp, you have to run it as "/lib/ld-linux.so /tmp/whatever" [16:44] debian's install can resize an ntfs partition without proble [16:44] m [16:44] Arirang: Ok tnx [16:44] (or whatever ld-linux.so is actually called, ld-2.9.so, whatever) [16:45] usr13, if you aren't familiar with how to get it, then message me [16:45] heh [16:45] ... [16:45] actually, hrm, maybe that hole's been closed in recent glibc and/or kernel versions, I just tried it on my new -current install and it doesn't work [16:46] Urchlay: try that [16:46] yeah [16:46] antiwire++ [16:46] It'll bitch about can't open shared libs [16:46] dd: reading `/dev/mmcblk0p1': Input/output error [16:46] any suggestions? [16:46] Dominian: well it *did* work at one time, I promise [16:46] Camarade_Tux: imo, that's even banable but we know that won't happen [16:46] Urchlay: yeah.. long ago hehe [16:47] doesn't seem like it was that long ago... but then I kept running 10.2 long after 12.0 was out, *shrug* [16:47] i still run 10.2 with an updated 2.4 kernel at home [16:47] <_chess_> I still have a print server on Slackware 8.1 [16:47] the older I get, the faster time goes by [16:47] antiwire, everybody here know the admins never read the channel and are fat bastards -_- [16:47] :D [16:48] _chess_: if it aint broke.. dont fix it? :P [16:48] lol [16:48] ^^ [16:48] <_chess_> macavity: exactly. and there are still occasional updates for 8.1. :-) [16:48] macavity: either that, or it's been bricked up inside a wall and nobody can remember which one :) [16:48] 8.1, nice :) [16:48] Urchlay: oh yes.. i read about that one :P [16:48] (I guess that wouldn't happen to a print server though) [16:48] 8.1 was a pain to upgrade [16:49] hm, did I ever even run 8.1? [16:49] think I went 8.0 -> 9.1 -> 10.2 -> 12.2 [16:50] 8.0->8.1->9.1->10.2->11.0->12.1 for me >.> [16:50] 9.1 got installed like a week before 10.0 came out, I never bothered upgrading it [16:51] before that, 3.something where something < 5, then 3.5 -> 4.0 -> 7.0 [16:51] i went 8.0 -> LFS -> LFS-a-little-like-slackware -> LFS-a-lot-like-slackware -> LFS-with-pgktools -> oh who the hell am i kidding? -> 10.2 :P [16:51] <_chess_> Necos: 9.1 to 10.2? [16:51] macavity :) [16:51] <_chess_> macavity: hehe [16:51] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [16:52] hello [16:52] ok.. i admit.. right after the "who the hell am i kidding" i tried both Debian (again) and genpoo [16:52] hola [16:52] sostra (n=sostra@69.149.12.9) joined ##slackware. [16:52] which 3.x release was it that was known as "Slackware 96"? [16:52] HI ARNY [16:52] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) joined ##slackware. [16:53] <_chess_> Urchlay: 3.1 IIRC [16:53] _chess_: yeah, i didn't wanna bother with 10.0/10.1 [16:53] ... and came to the conclusion that i am much better at making LFS-slackware-wanabe suit my needs than any other distro is.. short of slackware that is :P [16:53] my first-ever slack install was after that, but before 3.5 [16:54] (on a win95 C: drive, using umsdos. It makes me shudder to even type that...) [16:54] <_chess_> Necos: I'm always worried about jumping over versions like that but that's probably just me. :-) [16:54] i was waiting for "the next best slackware upgrade" [16:54] Hi _chess_, how are you? [16:54] Necos: did you actually upgrade in-place for any/all of those, or did you do like I did, go "damn I broke this thing good, better do a clean install"? [16:55] <_chess_> hello firebird619 , how's it going? [16:55] _chess_: going great, thank you. :) [16:55] lymeca (n=lymeca@dsl-74-220-76-19.dhcp.cruzio.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:55] hi arny [16:55] it never once occurred to me that you *could* upgrade slackware without reinstalling until a year ago or so [16:56] <_chess_> Urchlay: good point, I guess I assumed Necos upgraded [16:56] pri4pus (n=Mutinus@87.248.164.65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:57] Urchlay: lol [16:57] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [16:58] Urchlay: from scratch [16:58] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.84.211) left irc: "Leaving." [16:58] it's hard to believe anything works well enough for that :) [16:58] i figured i wanted to upgrade for all the new system-wide features and didn't wanna fuck 'em up [16:59] (partly that's cause the first time I looked at upgrading, it was from a libc5 to a glibc system, and I kept reading reports of people screwing things up trying it, so I went with the clean-install approach...) [17:00] yeah, that's not a good look [17:00] lol [17:00] i'm back, what have i missed? [17:00] firebird: do your Opera downloads stall ? [17:00] vastina: nostalgic reminiscences of elder days... [17:00] oh, a whole lot of nothing :) [17:01] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) joined ##slackware. [17:01] well yeah, but I said it more poetically [17:01] hehehe stop hatin [17:01] Urchlay: isn't that everyday in a *n?x circle? [17:02] "oh, in the old days, you know i had to... in the old days you know they used to pay for talent like... in the old days, i was younger and wished for much more...." [17:02] bleah, cut it out, you're making me depressed [17:03] :) [17:03] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:03] don't worry, i'm halfway down the trek to getting old myself, reminiscing my initial linux days from back in 1997... even though it doesn't seem long ago at all [17:04] lol [17:04] wasn't my first *n?x, but definately was the cheapest and had the most bang for the bandwidth [17:04] <_RadioHead> tomorrow ppl [17:04] i started at like 15 (c. 1996) [17:05] <_RadioHead> gnight [17:05] lymeca (n=lymeca@dsl-74-220-76-19.dhcp.cruzio.com) joined ##slackware. [17:05] later _RadioHead [17:05] I'm testing the new MPlayer build scripts in -current and if you change the patents option it tries to fetch the source and does it but the build script bails out because it only fetched the sources while the script expects them to be in an archive. It's not a big deal to fix that but someone might like to know that [17:05] _RadioHead (n=dardan@82.114.75.254) left irc: "Leaving" [17:06] broken build scripts are annoying [17:06] i started *n?x back in 1989, DEC VAX. then later on some DEC Alpha AXP "Tru64 UNIX" sporting some of the best cc compilers i've ever seen, then linux happened to me in 1997 after struggling with a little windows 95 [17:07] i had a commodore 128. [17:07] but linux back in 1997 was a far cry from what it is today... so much change in so little time for something free, how can anyone not love that? [17:07] dyn0myt3: I had (still have) an Atari 800 [17:07] does it operate [17:07] yes [17:07] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:08] in fact it's sitting right next to my PC keyboard, hooked up to a commodore 1702 monitor [17:08] >.> [17:08] and to the PC (which pretends to be the Atari disk drive, or else I run a SLIP connection) [17:08] my mom's bf killed mine cuz it was turned off improperly [17:09] and i was 10 [17:09] did you try to kill him in return? [17:09] eh? like, he couldn't find the power switch so he stomped on it repeatedly until the power LED went out? [17:09] Urchlay: i've done that to a sega megadrive [17:09] :) [17:09] (seriously, I don't know much about the C=128, how do you improperly turn one off?) [17:10] vastina: I didn't do this, but I watched a guy toss his only computer (an Atari XL) out his 2nd floor window onto the driveway, because he couldn't get some game to work [17:11] most of the keys came off the keyboard... an hour digging thru the bushes to find them all, and put it back together, and it worked fine [17:11] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:11] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.151.99) joined ##slackware. [17:11] (stupid rich kid... he knew daddy would buy him another one) [17:11] fgdfas (n=dfgdf@91-115-212-238.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Leaving" [17:11] is slamd64 oficial slackware now ? [17:12] no [17:12] slackware64 is not slamd64 [17:12] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.194.15) joined ##slackware. [17:12] DeeeeP: nope. But slackware officially has a 64-bit port now [17:12] i remember a few years back after getting out of jail (don't ask) and having so much anger built up in me but i guess it was repressed because i didn't really feel angry until i got home, but i get home, forget that there's a problem with the north-bridge on some shitty old mobo i had and then the system hangs at bootstrap... i unglued and kicked the bloody box into the wall about 15 times {good thing it was a lian li, aluminium is softer than steel) [17:12] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425465.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:13] vastina: did it ever work after that? [17:13] hell no [17:13] Urchlay, that's it thanks [17:13] fair enough, it didn't work before either I guess [17:14] that about as mean as i've ever been to a computer [17:14] vastina: did you break your foot? [17:14] Necos: i'm 6'3" and made of steel [17:14] antiwire: thanks for the catch [17:15] I took a 10lb sledgehammer to a dead Sun monitor once (one of the old behemoths with inch-think leaded glass shielding)... it made a noise like a bomb going off, but didn't even really scratch the glass [17:15] alienBOB: np you're welcome [17:15] that wasn't really out of anger though, just bored [17:16] Urchlay: yeah, the anger makes you feel twice as good and twice as stupid to spectators [17:16] the scene in "office space" where they take the printer out into the woods with baseball bats... [17:17] classic [17:17] i did that with a tower using a maglite [17:17] felt great [17:18] but it was trash anyway and mostly out of fun [17:18] not rage [17:18] yeah [17:18] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [17:18] my story is unique due to my rage [17:18] never really have had the budget to indulge in destroying working equipment, no matter how bad it pissed me off [17:18] :) [17:19] neither did i and frankly i didn't give a damn afterwards, had a beer in fact sat atop the ATX case [17:19] Action: Shingoshi laughs at how many of you ridiculed him for his foretelling this event! Yes! Keep Laughing now! http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware64-current-made-public-727157/?s=9376d81e9cc59be1eea69952e80d2f7e [17:19] every once in a while I get into a blind rage and have to get up & leave the room *right now* to avoid it though [17:19] RAGE [17:19] Shingoshi: old news, I've got 6+ hours uptime with it already :) [17:19] hahaha [17:19] Shingoshi got told [17:20] i'm laughing now [17:20] :) [17:20] Shingoshi: anyway what you were talking about was something else (a merger of slackware 32-bit and 64-bit), this is strictly 64-bit, no 32-bit libraries or binaries or even the ability to compile them (yet) [17:20] rage against the machine ? [17:20] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: "leaving" [17:21] Urchlay: How did you install? Over the existing Slackware, or completely new. [17:21] Slackware64(tm) [17:22] Alan_Hicks: I previously installed Slamd64 over an existing Slackware system. Just want to know if the same is possible here or not? [17:22] fresh install, to an empty partition, but from within a running slamd64 system (upgraded its pkgtools+tar and installed xz, then 'installpkg --root /mnt/new a/*.t[gx]z', etc etc [17:22] Shingoshi: all you said was (2009-05-08 23:02:54) Shingoshi: I think Slackware-13 is about to be released. [17:22] not 64bit [17:23] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [17:23] Shingoshi: Give it a try if you know what you're doing. It'll probably fail. [17:23] Shingoshi: And in the future, ask those questions of the channel, not of me individually. That's rude and pisses me off. [17:23] Anyone use Emule. or is that a windows program. [17:23] damn hicks [17:23] Shingoshi: not really the best way to install it, if that's what you're asking, but my DVD drive is almost completely dead, not reliable enough for me to try to install/upgrade an OS from it [17:23] oh hi Alan_Hicks ! [17:24] :P [17:24] I said I was hoping to have Slackware64 released when 13 became available. [17:24] lol ! http://metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/pmeo9hcjp7aw9.jpg ;p [17:25] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [17:25] ack! ff3 has one new & annoying behaviour ff2 didn't have [17:25] Urchlay: I used slapt-get to install Slamd64 the first time. And did it from a running Slackware system. [17:25] firefox -remote openURL(blah)... causes firefox3 to take focus in the window manager [17:26] hello Alan_Hicks [17:26] (not really that annoying I guess, just unexpected as ff2 didn't do it) [17:26] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: "Leaving" [17:27] Urchlay: If you use KDE, you can force FF to a single desktop as I do. It always sits on desktop one here. And never escapes. [17:27] Shingoshi: onto an otherwise empty partition, or on top of the running system? (the latter seems like something that wouldn't work, and if you tried it & it failed, nobody would have any sympathy for your plight...) [17:27] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:27] Urchlay, yeah, that one is terrible in ff3 [17:28] Shingoshi: do tell. [17:28] Shingoshi: if you run windowmaker, you don't need anything special for that. I spawn it on desktop 3 and it stays there forever [17:28] ohnvm, i see how you mean [17:28] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.151.99) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:28] Camarade_Tux: any way to tell it not to do that, that you know of? (something in about:config I'm sure) [17:28] I think the reason why Slamd64 succeeded, is because it's Multilib. I was therefore able to use existing files as required. [17:29] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [17:29] slapt-get in & of itself is something I wouldn't expect to work, anyway [17:29] Urchlay, nope, doesn't know, the topic has been raised several times in #openbox and I've never seen any solution [17:30] (no offense to its author(s), I just think stuff like slapt-get is a little too automated for slackware) [17:30] paissad (n=paissad@12.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [17:30] oh shit... what package is madplay in? [17:30] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: "Leaving" [17:30] Camarade_Tux: 99% of the time if I remotely open a URL from IRC, I'd be switching desktops anyway so I could see whatever it is I opened... so it's not exactly horrible I guess [17:31] Necos: eh, madplay? [17:31] (as in, the package called madplay) [17:31] is there a madplay package? [17:31] there is [17:32] oh shit, sure is one [17:32] what'd you do, rm /usr/bin/madplay? :) [17:32] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.105.65) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:32] Urchlay, I have to copy the link, switch to desktop2, open a new tab, paste the link [17:33] volkerdi_ (i=3321@slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [17:33] MarkPost (n=mpost@c-76-112-224-24.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:33] Camarade_Tux: the simplest case for me is, I type "/ul" in the IRC client, then switch to desktop #3 [17:33] =) [17:33] eh, "/uo"... /ul is for listing them (you'd think I'd get it right, I type it like 50 times a day) [17:33] Urchlay, my solution will be another browser ;p [17:34] Camarade_Tux: I may do the same. I hear seamonkey's pretty nice [17:34] fred (n=fred@slamd64/fred) left ##slackware. [17:34] fred_ (i=3362@slamd64/fred) joined ##slackware. [17:34] (no, I don't want to use konqueror or opera) [17:34] alienBlurb (i=3351@slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [17:34] fred_ (i=3362@slamd64/fred) left ##slackware. [17:34] fred: how are.......... oh, damn, he left. I wanted to ask him something. [17:34] hmmm [17:34] fred_ (i=3362@slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [17:35] Good riddance if you ask me. [17:35] that makes a lot of @slackware.com suddenly :p [17:35] Oh, hi fred_ [17:35] Oh, he's back. [17:35] haha Alan_Hicks fail :p [17:35] uh-oh, the boss is here! Everyone act busy! [17:35] o/ [17:35] :) [17:35] Night of the freaks if you axe me [17:35] Urchlay, I'm doing mine :) (or will be doing soon) [17:35] Action: Alan_Hicks could really go for some freaks right about now. [17:35] rworkman_ (i=3356@slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [17:35] Fresh lemons anyone? [17:36] Imposter! [17:36] Camarade_Tux: I wish ye luck... if I tried to write my own browser I'd have to stop when I ran out of hair to pull out... [17:36] alienBOB: Is there a site where I can get a special deal on those? [17:36] sostra (n=sostra@69.149.12.9) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:36] volkerdi_: Down here you squeeze your own. [17:36] Sure but I will not post that :-) Since I am op here [17:36] Alan_Hicks: 'tell the juice... ? [17:36] Alan_Hicks: is that what you call it? "squeeze your own" [17:37] till the cup runneth over with oil [17:37] Urchlay, webkit(-gtk) actually makes that quite easy :) [17:37] hmmm, had to rebuild madplay from scratch because it uses ESD [17:37] lol [17:37] Goes good with carbonated water. [17:37] mmm, lemon drops. [17:37] Camel camel! [17:37] ugh. I really really wish for the days of my innocence, when I would have just gone "WTF are these guys talking about?" [17:38] Well, I must go afk now. Have fun, all :) [17:38] Me too. [17:38] later rworkman [17:38] rworkman_ (i=3356@slackware.com) left ##slackware. [17:38] The slacker [17:38] fred (n=fred@slamd64/fred) joined ##slackware. [17:39] fred_ (i=3362@slackware.com) left irc: "leaving" [17:40] Nick change: volkerdi_ -> ghost [17:40] I'm a complete IRC nub [17:40] Nick change: ghost -> Guest21680 [17:40] Nick change: Guest21680 -> nub [17:41] Action: alienBlurb passes out [17:41] alienBlurb (i=3351@slackware.com) left irc: "leaving" [17:41] Action: nub scrubs [17:41] nub (i=3321@slackware.com) left irc: "leaving" [17:42] Action: Camarade_Tux is starting to wonder what the team smoke [17:42] s/smoke/drink [17:43] All rather innocent [17:43] its the power drinks [17:43] But it takes away years of your lifespan [17:43] and the smoothies [17:43] "PowerThirst is like crystal meth in a can! PowerThirst IS crystal meth!" [17:44] Urchlay: hahahah now with new flavour: GUN! [17:44] Glegnar (n=glegnar@host81-158-4-98.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [17:45] usr13_ (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [17:45] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [17:46] apparently you can actually buy a bottle of Brawndo now too [17:46] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [17:46] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.105.65) joined ##slackware. [17:47] Urchlay: When I get my two new Shanghai processors tomorrow, I will upgrade my Slamd64 system to Slackware64. That should give me some idea as what to expect. [17:47] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.194.15) left irc: Connection timed out [17:49] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:49] if you're actually doing an upgrade, you should still have 32-bit stuff in /lib and /usr/lib, let me know if you can actually compile and/or run 32-bit binaries [17:49] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: Client Quit [17:50] Urchlay: I'll let you know. [17:50] (I was gonna try the c/ stuff from slamd64, plus a little hackery, but I've been awake too damn long to start on it now...) [17:50] It really shouldn't be a problem, as you've already stated. [17:50] Urchlay: I may take that strategy later on tonight actually. [17:51] or possibly tomorrow [17:51] I was thinking of upgrading this box to Slamd64 first, and then installing Slackware64 as an upgrade. [17:52] Because I already know that upgrading to Slamd64 works from Slackware32. [17:52] lokken (n=zl@75-119-238-137.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [17:52] MarkPost (n=mpost@c-76-112-224-24.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [17:52] eviljames: (and Shingoshi): http://rafb.net/p/keVKYh47.html [17:52] I need to check Slacky.eu now. They shouldn't be far behind the switch. [17:53] So, I hear x86-64 is available! I checked a couple of the mirrors, and don't see any packages in current yet. Anyone know of a mirror with them available right now? [17:53] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:53] the missing file is part of the glibc package on slackware 32-bit and slamd64 [17:53] lokken: slackware64-current, not slackware-current [17:53] not sure whether you could get by with just copying the one from 32-bit slackware-current or not [17:54] lokken: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-current/slackware64/ [17:54] lokken:tds.net should have some [17:54] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [17:54] Urchlay: I'd expect you could,maybe it's just a header with some defines in it :D [17:55] Excellent. Thanks guys! I'm quite excited for an official port. The unofficial ones were excellent as well. :) [17:55] yea, but that might not be the only thing missing [17:55] Urchlay: Don't tell me that PatV didn't make it possible to build packages with the 64-bit gcc. He did the same thing in preventing 64-bit builds on the 32-bit gcc. [17:55] agh, here we go again [17:55] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl4-165-199.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [17:56] argh [17:56] inkblot (n=inkblot@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:56] I will say this once: nobody "prevented" 32-bit slackware from building 64-bit packages, unless you also claim you've been "prevented" from building windows exes, sparc/ppc/pa-risc/commodore-64/whatever packages as well [17:56] read that statement and actually think about it [17:57] s/read/parse/ <- more fitting :D [17:57] I'd like to download the slackware64 tree (and make a bootable iso), how do I download it recursively? I suppose with wget? [17:57] (hint: you also can't build 16-bit 8086 binaries either) [17:57] Urchlay: you only have to say it once, I'll copy/paste it from my backlog repeatedly ;D [17:57] inkblot: rsync [17:57] The greatest asset to Slackware is it's user base. There needs to be an easy way for users to provide packages for either 32/64-bit system from their installed system. [17:57] is there a man page for rsync? [17:57] I have my mirror-slackware-current.sh script fixed up for slackware64 (I think) .. I should upload it now [17:58] inkblot: yes [17:58] inkblot: did you try typing man rsync? [17:58] I'm not on my slackware machine [17:58] eh, well, you actually *can* build 16-bit 8086 binaries, with a completely different compiler (see the dev86 package) [17:58] v4nelle (n=van@adsl67-94.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:58] Urchlay: Ok. Wrong word. It wasn't prevented. It just wasn't provided. [17:58] well, right, wasn't provided is a good enough description [17:59] I want to convert my Slackware-12.1 PXE server to Slackware-12.2 PXE server. Any tips or hints ... Is it as simple as replacing /mirror/slackware/slackware-12.1 to /mirror/slackware/slackware-12.2 ? [17:59] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:59] but now we're provided with a 64-bit slackware, can have lots of fun with that [17:59] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-072-148-151-050.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] Thanks alienBOB! I was just running through that script, and making the changes myself. I'm more comfortable getting it from you again :) [18:00] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:00] error_de2eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:00] anyway. am too tired to think about it now, will take a nap in a while... [18:00] Urchlay: Considering almost all of my machines are 64-bit, you can bet I will be having fun! ;-D [18:00] (it's only 6PM, what am I, getting old?) [18:00] no, just tired. :P [18:00] christian (n=christia@kobz-590d104d.pool.einsundeins.de) left ##slackware. [18:01] been up since 2AM [18:01] Urchlay: How's the East Coast? [18:01] dunno, I'm actually pretty far from the coast... where I am anyway, it's nice outside [18:01] one of those days where I wish I could remove the outside wall from my room for a while [18:02] firebird619: Thanks! I've added that link to my slapt-getrc. [18:02] Jean (n=jean@jean.xen.prgmr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:03] Jean (n=jean@jean.xen.prgmr.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:04] lokken: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/tools/mirror-slackware-current.sh [18:04] It should be OK even in my state of mild intoxication due to beer intake [18:04] lol [18:04] Beer *never* makes things go awry :) [18:05] Thanks. :) [18:05] Add "-a x86_64" to the commandline or change ARCH to "x86_64" inside the script [18:05] just beer? for someone living in or near Amsterdam it could be something else [18:05] error_de2eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:05] I do not smoke [18:05] keep it that way :D [18:05] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:05] Aww, damn, now ##slackware is window 16 [18:05] And Amsterdam is hours away by car [18:06] fred: why not 42 [18:06] IT has all the answers [18:06] I don't have that many windows in irssi at the moment :p [18:06] alienBOB: and, get your lemon to fosdem next year p [18:06] * :p [18:06] >=42 irc channels, that must be really counter-productive :p [18:06] Jean (n=jean@jean.xen.prgmr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:07] well, time to go to bed, I need to be awake when I'll be cursing gobject-introspection on tomorrow :p [18:07] fred: I should, but last year my dad died the weekend before and this year I was on holiday [18:07] I'm going to try your script right away alienBOB, thanks a lot [18:07] sorry to hear [18:07] my condolences [18:07] Jean (n=jean@jean.xen.prgmr.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:07] alienBOB: Sorry to hear that [18:07] Jean (n=jean@jean.xen.prgmr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:08] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-69-31.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [18:10] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-124-166.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:11] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:13] Glegnar (n=glegnar@host81-158-4-98.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:13] inkblot: let me know if there is anything weird with the script [18:13] Hi fred! [18:13] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:13] And btw - adding "-c" to the commandline will do a check for a newer version on my website and warn you of the fact [18:13] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: "Leaving" [18:14] alienBOB: on the plus side, they have duvel for ¬1.50/bottle all day [18:15] my condolences, alienBOB [18:16] fred: for free??? [18:16] schneiderr: well it was over a year ago now but thanks [18:16] alienBOB: excluding the 1 euro 50 per bottle, yes :| [18:17] oh sorry to bring that up again. im not strictly sober. my team lost today. [18:17] so far it's working well , thanks :) [18:17] anyone savy with CVS? [18:17] i am trying to chekcout ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-CVS/src/lib/libelf [18:17] yosi (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [18:18] I was going to man rsync until you posted your script [18:18] v4nelle (n=van@adsl147-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:18] 'cvs co URL' biches about something about CVSROOT [18:18] fred, are you, by any chancy (cos i just read the convo in here), advertising some dutch site offering cheap braincell damage in the vicinity of vaal? [18:18] s [18:19] to be honest, I'm a little new to Slackware and you saved me some trouble, but next time I will do it myself (for learning purposes) [18:19] Glegnar (n=glegnar@host81-158-4-98.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [18:19] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [18:22] schneiderr: uh.... no. [18:22] fred, relax, i was just asking. [18:22] 'http://www.duvel.be/pages/home.aspx?culture=en&pageid=home' that kind of duvel :p [18:24] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [18:24] and in retrospect, fred, les Belges, ça parle un peu bizarrement ;-) [18:25] Well, in Acadian, that would be ... 'ça parle pretty weird.' ;) [18:26] Action: schneiderr cant comment on that ;p [18:26] or in quebecois, "ca parle po mal bizarre" [18:26] http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=41384 [18:26] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:26] cool [18:26] mal bizarre, hehehe. [18:26] their using slack 12.2 kernel [18:27] eh sad day yesterday. for me. my team. bought referee. [18:27] Action: schneiderr goes about licking his wounds. [18:27] take care. [18:27] schneiderr (n=me@76.74.129.199) got netsplit. [18:28] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [18:28] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [18:28] Jean (n=jean@jean.xen.prgmr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:29] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:29] Jean (n=jean@jean.xen.prgmr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:29] There we go. Finally figured out where I made my little mistake in alienBOB's script. x86-64 != x86_64. If only I had a better connection... I could be running the 64 bit version before I crash for the night. [18:30] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [18:30] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Client Quit [18:33] schneiderr (n=me@76.74.129.199) got lost in the net-split. [18:34] okay, hiking up a mountain again people... have a good night, always enjoy the chat ;) [18:34] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.107.47) joined ##slackware. [18:34] ni vastina [18:36] night VampirePenguin; remember, stay stable. [18:36] all puns intended [18:36] lol [18:36] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.105.65) left irc: "Saliendo" [18:36] i will [18:38] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.52) left irc: "I'll Be Back!!" [18:39] confrey (n=dario@94.162.149.183) joined ##slackware. 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[18:50] Glegnar (n=glegnar@host81-158-4-98.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:50] confrey: make sure your regular user is a member of the power group [18:50] .. i *belive* [18:51] ok [18:51] another [18:52] iceborn (i=1001@dsl-kpobrasgw1-fe52df00-5.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [18:52] lokken: Are you doing a clean install? [18:52] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.41) left irc: [18:53] I have a windows partition, ntfs, I mount it by fstab and I can write on it as user, tha's alll ok; but if I mount a ntfs or vfat share by smb4k, I can't write on it as user, how do I fix this? [18:53] firedix: That has to hurt! ;-) [18:53] I will be, yes. I regularly backup my desktop (rsnapshot), so even if the x86-64 port gives me trouble, I can have my previous system back up and running in roughly an hour or two. :) [18:55] lokken: I think using Slamd64 as a transitional upgrade, would be best here. Since they already have the 32-compat in place. [18:56] I think I'd prefer to just blast away my current setup, or possibly a fresh install to a separate partition. I'm not looking to upgrade my current install. [18:57] I may just wait for Slacky.eu to make the switch first. I have too many of their packages on my system. And I want them upgraded in the process. [18:57] I keep a mirror of slackware-current on my fileserver w/ an NFS share for easy re-installs (alongside the rsnapshot backups for /home) :) [18:58] I can upgrade my Slamd64 system tomorrow though. That should be no problem at all. [18:58] I tend to build mine from the Slackbuilds.org scripts. Those are usually pretty simple to alter. [18:59] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [18:59] lokken: have a look at http://www.slackbuilds.org/template.SlackBuild which should get you going on altering what you need. [19:00] good night [19:00] confrey (n=dario@94.162.149.183) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [19:00] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-124-166.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:00] Excellent. I didn't realize -fPIC should be added. [19:01] Thanks :) [19:02] lokken: that and --libdir=/usr/lib{LIBDIRSUFFIX} [ofcourse] ;) [19:02] BP{k}: hah, yes, of course :) [19:03] {$LIBDIRSUFFIX} ? [19:03] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:03] gm152: yes. [19:03] uhm. wait. ${LIBDIRSUFFIX} [19:04] obviously I can't type :) [19:04] Oh, was wondering if $ should have been on the outside.... [19:04] Action: gm152 follows suit. [19:05] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:05] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.83) left irc: "Leaving." [19:06] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.83) joined ##slackware. [19:06] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. 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[19:21] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:22] Nick change: dogsoul -> D [19:22] Nick change: D -> dogsoul [19:25] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:25] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) joined ##slackware. [19:28] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [19:28] man it sucks that FreeBSD doesnt release their src/lib/* components as individual tarballs :-/ [19:28] no wait.. that *seriously* sucks [19:30] Are you trying to say that sucks? [19:32] _Floops (n=baihu@sexywitch.info) joined ##slackware. [19:32] _Floops (n=baihu@sexywitch.info) left irc: SendQ exceeded [19:34] hey macavity getting anywhere? [19:34] compl3x: i am getting nowhere fast [19:35] macavity: at least your moving fast :p [19:35] compl3x: and i am annoyed that i have to use a webinterface for BSD manpages [19:35] Action: compl3x sits back and plays some acoustic [19:35] macavity: install bsd in a vm? [19:35] no space [19:35] and i cant get my hands on libsbdelf (aka libElf) [19:36] it is much more mature, and has real manpages [19:36] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: "Leaving" [19:36] and i would also like to make sure i can compile against it [19:36] How's your day going compl3x? [19:36] ... i imagine the *BSD people would find this usefull too [19:36] firebird619: good thanks, yourself? [19:37] going very well. Just working on trying to crop a video. [19:37] still? :p [19:37] no macavity, I haven't tried transcode. :P [19:37] compl3x: yes, :( [19:38] In vlc, there's a crop option and it playsback well, but I haven't figured out how to save it out of vlc with the crop in place. [19:38] s/playsback/plays back/ [19:38] ouch [19:39] no kidding. This has taken 3 days for crying out loud. :P [19:39] inkblot (n=inkblot@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:39] is that the video with the black bar on the top & bottom? wide screen? [19:40] alienBOB: the script created 3 iso files of roughly 400mb each [19:40] avidemux might work for u [19:40] Pig_Pen: the black bars are on the left and right, not widescreen, but this was a web stream in a browser, so the browser window is seen on the top and bottom. [19:40] VampirePenguin: tried it, doesn't work. [19:40] kk [19:40] thank you though. ;) [19:41] :) [19:41] oh sure [19:41] has anybody used alienBOB's script to create the iso's? [19:41] i learn about a lot of new programs i adopt myself for others [19:41] firebird619: tried blender? [19:41] no [19:42] thanks to alienBOBs 686 blob vs 486 one an updating uvcvideo drivers which had gspca in them my cam now works:) [19:42] yosi: installing now. I'll use anything as long as it crops the stupid video. [19:42] inkblot: yes 3CD's of 400MB is what it does now. Before we swicthed to xz compression that would be 3 CD images of 600 MB [19:43] lol, fortune: Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor. [19:43] I will update the script someday to create 2 CD images again, should fit now [19:43] firebird619: no guarantees it'll work [19:43] yay xz [19:43] thank you [19:43] alienBOB: Do you know of a way to use vlc to crop a video and save it out of vlc with that crop in place? [19:43] btw, is there kde set in one of them? [19:43] I found the crop filter in vlc, but haven't figured out how I could save it from vlc with the crop. [19:44] yosi: Well, I'll try it and let you know. :P [19:44] firebird619: what i think is you are going to have to use a different method to encode the video from its original source [19:44] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [19:45] Pig_Pen: I used mencoder and made it into a mpg file, I've tried mencoder to crop, ffmpeg, kino, avidemux, all with no success. [19:45] s/made/make/ [19:45] err, s/make/made/ :P [19:46] rosh__ (n=rosh@e176087090.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [19:46] you see those black bars are in every frame of the video and thats a hell of a lot of frames, so it really has to be in the encoding from the source, not like cropping a jpg or some other image file [19:46] yeah [19:47] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [19:47] I suppose I could open it frame by frame in gimp and crop it then put it back together. :P [19:47] whew! see ya next year [19:47] http://ventura.craigslist.org/cps/1180843024.html [19:47] haha, yeah [19:47] c:/ ..orly [19:48] if it is really important you could try to get a DVD or check pirate bay for a torrent of a dvd rip [19:48] someone posting as a computer repair specialist and typing c:/ amazing [19:50] firebird619: I have avidemux plus several dependency packages here for 32- and 64bit, I will upload those tomorrow. The avidemux should fix you up [19:50] yosi: alright, I'm trying out blender. :P [19:50] v4nelle (n=van@adsl147-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:50] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176068195.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:50] Nick change: yosi -> yosii [19:50] alienBOB: I had tried avidemux the other day and it wasn't saving properly. probably something I did wrong, maybe I'll give that another shot. [19:51] firebird619: I think rworkman was looking to do the same thing a few days ago. He may have a suggestion when he's around [19:51] I think c:/ is understood in XP. [19:51] antiwire: ok, thank you. [19:51] I wasn't trying to crop one - I wanted to rotate it. Ended up using mencoder to do it [19:52] sh0ne (n=Unknown@93.86.154.215) joined ##slackware. [19:52] ah [19:52] I tried mencoder to crop and it didn't crop it at all. [19:52] nix_lix3r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:52] and then I got errors about the crop was outside of the original or something to that affect. [19:53] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:53] nix_lix3r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:56] BrunoXLambert (n=bruno@dsl-157-206.b2b2c.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:56] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:57] Aww my cray CX1 is out of budget range $104k :( [19:57] Hmm, I'm trying to convert the file from .ogg to something else now, any certain format I should convert to over another? [19:58] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) left irc: [19:58] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-249.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] Hey lf4 [19:58] Hi MLanden, how are you? [19:59] Heya,folks...How's everyone? [19:59] I'm great for the evenin',firebird619 and yourself? [19:59] doing great, thank you. :) [19:59] good to hear [19:59] firebird619: buenas tardes [20:00] good afternoon thumbs, how are you? [20:00] muy bien, y tu? [20:00] hey firebird619 [20:01] how are things going? [20:01] dhabyxc (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [20:01] thumbs: muy bien as well. Thanks. [20:01] firebird619: did you have to look that up, out of curisosity? [20:01] lf4: things are going great, thanks. [20:01] Action: edman007 waves [20:02] Action: lf4 waves back [20:02] firebird619: Thats good to hear :) [20:02] thumbs: no [20:02] Action: firebird619 waves hello to edman007 [20:02] hello :) [20:02] firebird619: ah, so you know Spanish enough now [20:03] thumbs: yeah, enough I guess. :P [20:03] lol enought to say hola and thats it ;) [20:03] haha [20:04] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.44) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:04] I've tried to change my PXE server from 12.1 to 12.2 and I'm pretty sure I've changed all files over. I also changed the directory name in the dhcp server from slackware-12.1 to slackware 12.2 so that looks ok. I can boot the kernel and all that but when it comes time to do full install, it just shows a base packages and then full and I hit ok and it imediately says it's done and gives me option to reboot. What could be wrong? [20:04] gyroscope (n=gyroscop@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [20:05] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) left ##slackware. [20:05] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:05] Nick change: dhabyxc -> dhabyx [20:05] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.233.162) joined ##slackware. [20:05] usr13_: with slackware 12.2 you can just use the initrd.img from the iso now [20:05] usr13_: dont have to faf around with making a new initrd anymore [20:06] Hrm, avidemux, Width is not a multiple of 8, This will make trouble for AVIs. Do I need to worry about that when I'm using mpg? [20:06] I would assume not. [20:06] heya compl3x [20:06] I think I did that, just copied it over from the DVD [20:07] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:07] He3HauKa (n=seenka@balticom-172-25.balticom.lv) joined ##slackware. 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[20:10] Maybe I'll just reboot the server [20:11] I just don't kow what to look for... [20:11] BillGatesNT (n=BillGate@201.164.189.36) joined ##slackware. [20:11] Could it be some sort of permissions problem? [20:12] He3HauKa (n=seenka@balticom-172-25.balticom.lv) left irc: Client Quit [20:12] BrunoXLambert (n=bruno@dsl-157-206.b2b2c.ca) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [20:13] I'm putting in the full path /mirror/slackware/slackware-12.2 [20:13] Is that correct? [20:13] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.83) left irc: "Leaving." [20:15] Ok, it shows to be mounted: [20:15] sh0ne (n=Unknown@93.86.154.215) left irc: "Leaving" [20:16] 172.29.1.6:/mirror/slackware on /var/log/mount type nfs (ro,nolock,addr=172.29.1.6) [20:16] Seeing ^^^ in the output of mount. [20:17] It asks me if I need to set up NFS again... It appears to be set up ok so I chose n for no [20:18] Hmm, avidemux saves the file right now, but not with the crop. :( [20:18] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:18] Next, the packages series selection comes up and there is only one entry, "[*] A Base Linux system" [20:19] Hit ok and the next screen offers "full Install everything 4.8+GB of software, RECOMMENDED!)" [20:21] But I hit enter after that, and it immediately says that the installation is complete" [20:21] I've had that happen to me before [20:22] I think I had bad install media that time [20:22] me too, but then i tried to use zenwalk installer to install slackware [20:23] BillGatesNT (n=BillGate@201.164.189.36) left irc: "Leaving" [20:28] iceborn: What is zenwalk? [20:29] one of the better ones [20:30] usr13_: http://www.zenwalk.org/ [20:31] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.233.162) left irc: [20:31] TClayton (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-181-126.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [20:31] Ok, I was pointing to wrong directory. I was using /mirror/slackware/slackware-12.2 but should have been: /mirror/slackware/slackware-12.2/slackware It's working now. [20:32] Thanks for helping me brainstorm. It was operator error, as usual. [20:33] I had just changed over from 12.1 to 12.2 PXE server and I kept th inking I did something wrong in that process. But was just not pointing to the correct directory. [20:33] Got it going now... Installing on a Dell X300 (which has to CD drive). [20:34] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) left irc: "Saliendo" [20:34] thanks all... [20:36] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:36] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[21:03] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:03] maxote (n=eldragon@84.79.67.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:08] twolf (n=none@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "leaving" [21:09] Seems there's no ##slackware64 [21:09] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [21:09] no need for it [21:10] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [21:12] hey nille_ [21:12] hi waz up [21:13] nothing much, battling ffmpeg atm. [21:13] battling why? [21:13] can't get it to work properly [21:13] no :( [21:14] unknown format [21:14] for an .ogg file [21:14] video [21:14] strange [21:14] indeed [21:14] nille_: Oh! So now it's fine to discuss 64-bit questions here? Amazing! So much for "Slackware is not 64-bit! [21:14] do you use alienBOBs build? [21:14] nille_: no, I used SBo's [21:15] i think aliens is better and static [21:15] maybe I'll give that a try, thanks nille_ [21:15] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [21:15] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.233.162) left irc: [21:16] w4lk (n=w4lk@cpe-071-068-224-209.sc.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:16] Shingoshi well now slackware is 64bit :p [21:16] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.105.65) joined ##slackware. [21:18] lokken (n=zl@75-119-238-137.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:18] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.233.162) joined ##slackware. [21:19] firebird619 with or without patents? [21:19] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [21:20] jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) left irc: "Leaving" [21:22] nille_: the ffmpeg build? It's built with afaik. (Am I misunderstanding?) :P [21:22] then grab it from here http://slackware.org.uk/people/alien/restricted_slackbuilds/ffmpeg/ [21:23] nille_: k, thanks. [21:24] din't thank me thank alienBOB who made them :p [21:24] s/din't/don't [21:24] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.7.243) joined ##slackware. [21:24] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [21:24] I got this: /bin/sleep -> /bin/usleep ; /bin/usleep -> /bin/sleep [21:24] nille_: well, thank you for pointing it out to me. :P [21:25] <|ast|> ffmpeg use tgz in 64bit... :S [21:25] Thanks be to alienBOB and all his hard work. [21:26] all the days my sata hdd port has to be hard reseted because the hdd doesnt respond.. [21:26] does it mean that I have to buy a new hdd? [21:26] and the machine runs full 24h/7d [21:27] has it always been like that? [21:27] no [21:27] did you do anything before it started? [21:27] I was on windows when that [21:27] I think [21:28] Southern (i=southern@cnq41-218.cablevision.qc.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:28] probably changed the disk from slot in the chasis [21:28] like three times minimum [21:28] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [21:28] hi guys [21:28] so it's not going into an energi preserve state? [21:28] hi Southern guy [21:28] hehe hi nv4Phil [21:29] hi Southern [21:29] hello Ficthe [21:29] hey nv4Phil [21:29] hi Ficthe [21:29] note to self: buying a Lexmark brand printer is a self torture [21:29] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:29] nv4Phil: you should be more lucky here ;p [21:29] i always buy HP [21:29] okie dokie slackers... I have a strange problem... my audio suddenly decided it didn't want to work anymore. [21:30] more info please [21:30] nv4Phil: lol [21:30] I have a dell inspiron 1501, sigmatel/intel hda chip [21:30] from what i read lexmark is the worst printer you can get if you plan to use it with Linux [21:30] !infoz [21:30] I'm typing it nille_ patience :P [21:30] you messed with the conf dude [21:30] tell em what you tried to do before it stopped working [21:30] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.14.168) joined ##slackware. [21:31] Pig_Pen and some canon [21:31] they won't yell at you because you did ;p [21:31] Pig_Pen: I can only print with those with VirtualBox+Windows [21:31] under Slackware [21:31] lol [21:31] ok, well before it stopped working TOTALLY, it had piped all my sound to the USB headset except the kde test sounds [21:31] i second the HP idea, i have an ancient HP printer that still works like new [21:31] :( [21:31] i then tried to rmmod and modprobe, to get it back. that failed [21:32] okibisan (i=1000@24-158-197-146.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:32] then I tried alsaconf. it told me it didn't know what the darn thing was. [21:32] knoxville (n=knoxvill@c-76-113-247-176.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] ok, so now that slackware64 has been announced, are we allowed to ask questions about it? :/ [21:32] nv4Phil so you got to cards one usb and one internal and none works? [21:33] okibisan yes it's slackware [21:33] well i got that shush no one can take about it or even confirm it before... [21:33] lol [21:33] well, the usb works... problem originally was that it piped every damn thing to the usb audio, despite tellin kde to use the laptop soundcard for everything but communications [21:34] and it only started doing that after like ... today [21:34] Rat409 (n=greg@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [21:34] ok and you didn't do anything special? what have you tried so far [21:35] ok so there was a period where everything worked fine? [21:35] alsaconf, modprobe/rmmod, and....that'd be it aside from looking for the card with lspci [21:36] okibisan: sure you can ask question. Personally I think usual -current stuff applies though. [21:36] now, in kde 4.2.3 I did monkey with the order of the soundcards in the multimedia settings ui [21:36] but... I don't think that's hardware. [21:36] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-24-126-163-118.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:36] so that could be whats up [21:37] whats up? [21:37] hehaha [21:37] well.... it was giving me problems, and i didn't change that until then. [21:37] copy your .ked to .kde_bakup and restart kde [21:37] then you know if it's kde or not [21:37] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "SLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP" [21:38] s/.ked/kde [21:38] grr .kde [21:38] i was just wondering, when slackware 13.0 comes out, will there be a multilib version? [21:38] try to play something in console while kde is down while you're at it ;) [21:38] shit, that means exiting IRC [21:39] I'll be back. [21:39] okibisan you can add what ever lib you want to it [21:39] i've been using the latest slackware and slackware64 -current's, but are there plans for multilib version? [21:39] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:39] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [21:39] okibisan: I don't think there is. [21:39] ok [21:40] i was just curious, thanks [21:40] nix_lix3r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:40] I am really tired of having to deal with retarded hardware [21:40] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [21:41] you can add the needed libs yourself so why would you need multilib (add 32bit if you want) [21:41] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:41] dissociative well i never get myself retarded hardware [21:43] nille_: Hmm, that didn't solve the unknown format issue, but now at least there's a man page. :P [21:43] lol [21:43] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [21:43] so a little bit of gain there. :D [21:43] I have using a board with a via km266 chipset that p**ps the system when I plug more than 1 pci card [21:44] is it an free file so i can check it? [21:44] son of a bitch, now my kde has been reset [21:44] okibisan: As I understand from fred; from a filesystem perspective it is multilib (due to having /usr/lib64 and /usr/lib), and I think it should be doable to add 32bits libs to slackware64 but other than that for intent and purposes it's singlelib [21:44] thats why you made an backup so you can copy it back [21:44] haha that's why he told you to backup .kde before ;p [21:44] I *did* back up .kde [21:44] haha [21:44] and I *did* put it back [21:45] you didn't copy it? [21:45] well I gotta go guys, see ya later [21:45] ooh you did sorry missread [21:45] ok, I confess I renamed .kde to .kde2 [21:45] c ya Southern [21:45] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.44) joined ##slackware. [21:45] and then back [21:45] well did it work ? [21:45] thebigh (n=herbert@adsl-99-39-21-139.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:46] running an resetted kde [21:46] have you tried to play a mp3 in console? [21:46] ok ok I'm off ;p [21:46] yeah that worked [21:46] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:47] klontj (i=c721ad01@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5de3f75d9609f646) joined ##slackware. [21:47] in kde or console? [21:47] standard console with X shut down [21:47] and in kde resetted? [21:47] yeah [21:48] but with this fucking reset .kde it works [21:48] ok then we know it's in your kde settup [21:48] thebigh (n=herbert@adsl-99-39-21-139.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving." [21:48] yes [21:48] so you need to find the right settings to set if right [21:49] Rat409 (n=greg@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.2.7-dev"). [21:50] my next question is why the fuck did it quit in the first place [21:50] well that i don't know [21:51] if you try k>systemsettings>multimedia then sound and try and play sound of the cards there does anyone work? [21:52] got to smoke bbl [21:52] yeah [21:52] ok [21:52] nv4Phil, would you please watch your language here please? [21:52] yes I will. [21:52] I'm not sure if phonon holds the sound system as a hostage the way arts did. [21:52] Hi nachox, how are you? [21:52] firebird619, tired i guess [21:52] yourself? [21:52] doing great, thanks. [21:53] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.34) joined ##slackware. [21:53] Anyone have an ogg video file they could test converting with ffmpeg? I keep getting unknown format. :( [21:54] firebird619, i dont think the ogg format includes video encoding [21:54] ogg theora [21:54] is video [21:54] theora being the codec and ogg the codec. [21:54] err ogg the container [21:55] BrunoXLambert (n=bruno@dsl-157-206.b2b2c.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:55] og, i was thinking of vorbis [21:56] yeah, all my music is in flac and ogg vorbis, but this is ogg theora video. [21:56] Rat409 (n=greg@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [21:56] Hi Rat409, how are you? [21:56] back [21:56] wb nille_ [21:57] good thanks,went back to weechat stable new one is nice but i don't need all the new features [21:57] is the one that works on the top? [21:57] slackware64? [21:57] Rat409: you like weechat? I have it installed but haven't tried it. [21:57] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:57] yuh i like irssi best,but weechats nice,all just personal pref [21:58] ogg is only an wrapper it support most thing [21:58] nille_: you have any ogg theora files around to test with? [21:58] i don't think so [21:58] Rat409: I like how weechat can do splits both ways, looks really nice. [21:58] anyway guys thanks for your help [21:58] but if you google one up i will try it [21:59] nv4Phil did you get it working? [21:59] Rat409: it looks quite similar to irssi. :P [21:59] yuh,its got better buffers,but weechat devloper has had help from irssi's developer [21:59] they collabborate or they were at any rate [21:59] nille_, yes I did [21:59] firebird619, i'm using ogg now that sansa released a firmware that allows me to play those files [21:59] good :) [21:59] i'm really happy with sandisk [22:00] Rat409: I'll have to give it a try, I like the cli based irc clients. [22:00] I'm in the process of redoing my kde. I can't figure out why it reset on me [22:00] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [22:00] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:00] but oh well [22:00] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:00] nachox: which sansa do you have. I have the clip which supports ogg and flac, I LOVE it. [22:00] nv4Phil, it's opensource, it can fail :P [22:00] I do know one thing... kde 4.2.3 is a load better than kde 3.5.x [22:00] firebird619, a fuze [22:00] http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/293333.php Hey look, my gun's unloaded.. [22:00] but irssi has themes,weechat can create a theme but you have to manually set it all before saving it as a theme [22:00] BOOM!! [22:00] nachox: ah, very nice. [22:00] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: Client Quit [22:00] agentc0re: goes the dynamite. [22:00] :P [22:01] firebird619: Look at the link. [22:01] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:02] The_Faithful (n=Mak@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:02] agentc0re, the lifes of those that witnessed the scene will change forever after that, it is not funny at all [22:02] agentc0re: wow, that's horrible. [22:03] agentc0re i would call him stupid [22:03] i feel bad for the ppl who saw it [22:03] You never point a gun, loaded or not, at anything that you don't intend to shoot and possibly kill. [22:03] nille_: agreed, as nachox said, their lives will change forever. [22:04] BrunoXLambert (n=bruno@dsl-157-206.b2b2c.ca) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [22:04] and not checking the gun first is plian stuoid [22:04] plain [22:05] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:05] grr i can't type today :) [22:05] nille_: indeed [22:05] Hey BP{k}, you day going well? [22:05] your [22:05] what a dumbass! you should never point a firearm at your head or anyone else regardless whether you think it is loaded or not because you never know for sure if it is loaded or not [22:05] firebird619: not bad :) relaxing :) [22:06] you saw your chance and went for it BP{k} [22:06] he should make the DarwinAwards [22:06] lol [22:07] nille_: I know I've seen sample theora files online before, I was going to test one and see if it's just my ogg that is bad or something, but do you think I can find one now when I want one, heck no. :P [22:07] nille_: my indeed was to your earlier comment about checking guns first, not the not typing comment. ;) [22:07] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [22:07] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:08] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.233.162) left irc: [22:09] osmin626 (n=osmin626@h104.97.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:11] prodor (n=prodor@200.92.201.120) joined ##slackware. [22:11] BP{k} i will never belive that, i know you [22:12] :p [22:12] doesn't wikipedia have ogg files? [22:12] hehe. [22:12] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:13] http://ftp.icm.edu.pl/pub/unix/video/mplayer/samples/ogg/Theora/ [22:13] i will try that 25M one [22:15] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [22:15] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:16] grr it was no sound in that one [22:17] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [22:17] klontj (i=c721ad01@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5de3f75d9609f646) left ##slackware. [22:18] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:19] yea [22:19] stupid laptop. ever since I put slack-current on here, it's been overheating and it cuts off regularly when it's not sitting flat on a coffee table. [22:19] just out of the blue. click. [22:19] LinuxyErin (n=erin@ppp-70-252-130-205.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] didn't do it before [22:21] http://lachy.id.au/dev/markup/examples/video/bus.ogg does that one work? [22:21] nv4Phil, is frequency throtling working? [22:21] I'm not sure what that is [22:21] maybe it's because the temperature in your home has changed a few degree's, ya know since it's becoming summer and all. [22:21] danillo (n=slack@201-69-121-153.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:22] nv4Phil you checked the temp? and your cpu fan isn't clogged? [22:22] well its a laptop, I didn't plan on opening it up... [22:22] danillo (n=slack@201-69-121-153.dial-up.telesp.net.br) left irc: [22:22] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) left irc: Client Quit [22:22] well i had to clean my a few weeks ago :p [22:23] s/my/mine [22:23] nille_: I'll check that one out. Thank you. [22:23] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:23] well check the temp in acpi and your fan speed [22:24] how would I check the temp without going int bios [22:24] into* [22:25] nille_: that one converts, it has to be something wrong with my file. [22:25] well atleast you know where it errors out now [22:26] yeah, thanks for the help [22:26] np [22:27] nv4Phil on my laptop i run 'cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature' [22:27] I had made that file with recordmydesktop, it evidently doesn't do a good job. :P [22:27] i haven't tried that one yet [22:27] did you use an mic? [22:28] no, it records audio someway, but I don't know how. [22:28] there is no directory /thermal_zone/ in my /proc/acpi [22:28] nille_: My file plays and everything just fine, I guess it just won't convert. :( [22:29] nv4Phil: i use lm-sensors and gkrellm (krell monitors). conky can do it if you know the hw. [22:29] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.12.176) joined ##slackware. [22:29] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:29] nv4Phil: yes. lm-sensors will detect it for you [22:29] give it a try [22:30] it worked on my laptop too [22:30] looks like I don't have it. where can I grab it [22:30] run sensors-detect after its installed. [22:30] it's located in ap/ directory [22:31] lm_sensors-3.0.3-i486-1.txz <- is the latest one on -Current [22:31] firebird619 doesn't recordmydesktop create .ogg files? [22:31] yeah, and that's what this did, but this ogg file is the one I get unknown format from ffmpeg. [22:31] nv4Phil what do you have in /proc/acpi ? [22:32] strange, i wonder what went wrong [22:32] what command do you use? [22:32] i always mix up lmsensors/lm-sensors/lm_sensors distro's vary,perils of multibooting i guess [22:33] nille_, in proc: ac_adapter/ battery/ button/ dsdt embedded_controller/ event fadt info power_resource/ processor/ sleep video/ wakeup [22:34] erm... in /proc/acpi my bad [22:34] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [22:34] nv4Phil: check your kernel configuration [22:35] cat /boot/config | grep -i thermal [22:35] CONFIG_ACPI_THERMAL=m [22:35] CONFIG_THERMAL=m [22:35] CONFIG_THERMAL_HWMON=y [22:35] nille_: I used recordmydesktop -x 144 -y 49 -o video.ogg [22:35] that is on my system [22:35] and to convert? [22:36] nille_: ffmpeg -i video.ogg video.avi. I also tried ffmpeg -i video.ogg video.mpg, I always get unknown format. [22:38] slackid, that checks out [22:39] where can I get lm-sensors? all the links to it at packages.slackware.it appear to be dead [22:39] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [22:40] it's in slackware by default [22:40] it's located in ap/ directory [22:40] man slackpkg too [22:41] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/slackware/ap/lm_sensors-3.0.3-i486-1.txz [22:41] iceborn (i=1001@dsl-kpobrasgw1-fe52df00-5.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:41] obviously, DON'T install that -current package on your 12.2 install [22:41] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/slackware/ap/lm_sensors-3.0.3-i486-1.tgz if you are using 12.2 [22:41] <|ast|> slack 64 add mplayer + mencoder active [22:41] thrice: sorry, i'm using -Current so that link comes up on my browser :) [22:41] <|ast|> mencoder video.ogg -ovc lavc -oac mp3lame -o video.avi [22:41] <|ast|> xD [22:42] i think dev.slackware.it still adds a .tgz to the end of the package you click on [22:42] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:42] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.7.243) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:42] I'm using -current [22:42] <|ast|> yes [22:43] nv4Phil: it should already be installed. did you do a full install ? [22:44] yes [22:44] try "ls /var/log/packages/lm*" [22:45] I just installed lm_sensors-3.0.3-i486-1 ... whereis lm_sensors and man lm_sensors come up empty [22:45] (I downloaded and used installpkg) [22:46] you probably already had it installed, and are failing [22:46] "cat /var/log/packages/lm_sensors*" to see which files it installs [22:46] man sensors [22:46] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "Good Night(TM)" [22:48] ok "sensors" gave me core0 +50.0C and core1 -49.0C ... that's odd. [22:48] Why is that odd? [22:48] I know I don't have anything in my laptop running at -49.0C and if I do, I want to use it to cool my house down with :P [22:51] -49.0C that doesn't look right [22:51] no it doesnt [22:52] maybe the tempsensor is broken [22:52] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.233.162) joined ##slackware. [22:52] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.233.162) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:52] dchmelik (n=d@216.227.111.160) joined ##slackware. [22:52] maybe the code is broken [22:52] then it would explain why the fan won't start and why it overheats [22:52] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.105.65) left irc: "Saliendo" [22:52] the code can be broken [22:52] Does the BIOS display the readings? [22:53] depends on what manufacturer it is [22:53] some of them control the fan differently [22:53] for example, fan at 1% until 50C then 100% [22:54] well i'm no fan expert so i trust your word for it [22:54] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:54] this is a dell inspiron 1501. the fan is running currently, I can feel it (barely) [22:55] nv4Phil do the air feel hot thats coming from the fan? [22:55] yes it do [22:55] s/do/does/g [22:55] :P [22:57] and the problem started when you started to use kde4? which uses a new power manager [22:58] that is when the problem started, yes [22:58] nv4Phil: go into bios, change the fan settings to something reasonable [22:58] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:59] like 50% until ~50C then 90% [22:59] while you are there, check the temperature it is currently reporting [22:59] that requires me getting out of here, so let me look up inspiron 1501 bios (or something) on google to see what its settings are [23:00] well check if it reports -49C in bios also [23:01] ok [23:01] impossibly high or low 'ghost' readins aren't uncommon [23:01] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-215.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:02] not all machines/boards use all teh available inputs on the sensor chip so you seem some weird stuff happening on the unused ones. They're usually quite easy to spot and even easier to ignore [23:03] well since kde4 uses this new power manager referred to above, how can I get it to behave? [23:03] (the new kde power manager, that is) [23:04] dont use the kde power manager perhaps? [23:05] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:06] I don't see where to turn it off [23:06] dchmelik (n=d@216.227.111.160) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:07] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:08] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:09] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:09] stybla (i=stybla@78.110.208.218) joined ##slackware. [23:10] ... [23:10] kcontrol might be a good start [23:11] systemsettings in kde 4 [23:11] yes I already looked there [23:11] that was the first place I looked [23:11] nix_chix0r: /wave [23:11] but i haven't player with powerdevil so i don't know about its settings [23:11] find out what the process is called and start grepping. [23:12] Hi tecky, how's it going? [23:12] Nick change: Hakudoshi -> supergear [23:14] ok then. before I reboot to BIOS and while I am thinking about it... does anyone know how to get rid of the "cannot parse the xml file" error when trying to access the network settings dialog [23:14] yes, used wicd. [23:15] *use [23:15] Complete instructions for building HTML and pdf versions of the book will also be provided at this site, along with any extra Slackware packages (and source code of course!) [23:15] awesome :) looking forward to it, can't wait! [23:15] I wonder if it's meant to coincide with slack 13 release [23:16] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.105.65) joined ##slackware. [23:16] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.14.168) left irc: "Leaving" [23:16] slack 13 is a bit away [23:16] two months, I think [23:17] more i would say [23:17] less without kde4 [23:17] a slack veteran from right here told me it wasn't too far away :C [23:18] which one? [23:18] I'm not sayin name [23:18] +g +s [23:18] pm me it then [23:19] spook, is it a credible source? [23:19] he hasnt pmed me [23:20] LinuxyErin (n=erin@ppp-70-252-130-205.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:20] everyone will know when it comes out.. no need to waste time on speculating :) [23:20] enjoy the -current [23:20] "It'll come out when it's ready" [23:20] hehe [23:20] yep [23:20] as it always has [23:20] considering there isn't even an RC candidate yet. [23:21] thats the point, those focusing on when the next version will come out should possibly investigate switching to -current [23:21] BP{k}: release candidate candidate? [23:21] spook: yep. ;) [23:21] BP{k}: heh. okayh [23:23] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [23:24] just run current ;-) [23:24] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@72.252.60.207) joined ##slackware. [23:25] or 64-current [23:25] ive never had an issue with it...maybe someone else might have, but from 9 to 11 i was running current [23:28] wicd-client doesn't seem to see any networks on wlan0 but iwlist scan does [23:28] Nick change: error_de1eloper_ -> error_developer_ [23:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:30] brb bois [23:30] bios* [23:30] lol. [23:30] does asus still make good intel mobos? [23:30] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:31] asus does not make good consumer mobos [23:31] im thinking this summer sometime im going to rebuild my dead pc... i7 based [23:32] i dont do OC, but stable and running 24/7 is what it will be doing [23:34] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:35] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-176-212.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [23:35] Since it's warmer, I can't OC like I used to during the colder months [23:35] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [23:35] i suggest getting a 45nm quad, and not waste money on i7 [23:35] The computer doubled as a heater [23:35] :D [23:36] phunkedelik (n=phunkede@207.229.35.242) joined ##slackware. [23:36] hey [23:36] sup [23:36] there's not a thing in my bios that refers to power management at all. I have an abbreviated "idiot's bios" on this laptop [23:36] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:36] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:36] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.122.76) joined ##slackware. [23:36] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:36] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:36] nv4Phil: sol. [23:36] phunkedelik (n=phunkede@207.229.35.242) left irc: Client Quit [23:36] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:36] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:37] and, odd, after rebooting, wicd started to work, on my wireless. thanks for recommending that [23:37] laptops normally don't have as flexible bios's as desktops.. [23:37] especially brand names [23:37] especially compaq [23:37] maybe its some custom built/ordered laptop that might have a decent bios capabilities [23:38] but Dell etc. really lock that bios down [23:38] this is a Hell Inspiron 1501. [23:38] i have a desktop, compaq, you can't turn off halt on no keyboard. [23:38] how do I properly upgrade my kde 3.5 to kde 4.2 I tried to upgrade it before following some instructions from the internet but I end up reinstalling the whole slackware [23:38] could I flash a different bios to it? [23:38] atom_fox: are you using slackware-current? [23:38] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:38] atom_fox: there is a upgrade text for that [23:38] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:39] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:39] mine says slackware 12.2 when I run the command cat /etc/slackware-version [23:39] I'm not sure if this has the -current on it [23:39] I can't remember [23:39] atom_fox: If you want KDE 4.2, you need to upgrade to slackware -current [23:40] if it has KDE 3.5 == slackware 12.x if it has KDE 4.2 == slackware-current. [23:40] 12.2 != -current [23:40] that's odd, mine says 12.2 as well, even though I'm running -current. [23:40] firebird619: yes, but slackware-versions in current right now says 12.2.0 [23:40] ... [23:40] so it means I need to upgrade my slackware to -current? [23:40] antiwire: Ah, I didn't know that. [23:40] <|ast|> tgz != txz [23:40] thanks [23:40] this is unofficial but worth a read also http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090518#feature [23:40] <|ast|> lol [23:41] -current's slackware-version does not say -current [23:41] that's what it says on my computer [23:41] you can just choose to upgrade kde.. since thats all you want [23:41] slackware 12.2.0 [23:41] I'm sorry for ommiting the 0 [23:41] robbies mentioned [23:41] atom_fox: ... what is the output of: "kde-config --version | grep KDE" [23:41] atom_fox@atomfox:~$ cat /etc/slackware-version [23:41] Slackware 12.2.0 [23:42] w8 for a sec [23:42] alright.. I'll try current, but one question: when slack 13 IS officially released, it won't be a hassled updating the current to 13, no? should be quite trouble-free, yes? [23:42] ok we get it your version file says 12.2.0 [23:42] atom_fox: ... what is the output of: "kde-config --version | grep KDE" [23:42] atom_fox@atomfox:~$ kde-config --version | grep KDE [23:42] KDE: 3.5.10 [23:42] slackware 12.2 [23:43] here's the output sir [23:43] unless it's an old -current [23:43] <|ast|> slack 13 use 64Bit single? [23:43] ?? [23:43] |ast|: no. slackware 13 will be 32bit. [23:44] <|ast|> ok [23:44] slackware64 13 (IF Patrick uses that version number, will be 64bit. [23:44] mr BP [23:44] what do I do next? [23:45] <|ast|> slackware64 is the same bluewhite64? [23:45] no [23:45] |ast|: HELL no. [23:45] slack64 is multi-lib capable, bluewhite64 is not [23:46] bw is also an unofficial port, slackware64 is the official 64 bit fork. [23:46] <|ast|> oh... [23:47] atom_fox: you have two choices: 1) wait until slackware 13 gets released 2) upgrade completly to slackware-current. [23:47] <|ast|> comparing slamd64? [23:47] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.12.176) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:48] why do people feel the need to try to convert you to a religion [23:48] <|ast|> slamd64 use multilib... [23:48] it means mine is not slackware current? [23:48] slamd64 is multilib, slack64 is capable of multilib but is not by default [23:48] it means you don't know so we can't really tell very accurately without going deeper into it [23:48] atom_fox: correct, you appear to be running slackware-12.2 [23:49] <|ast|> confusion.... [23:49] <|ast|> xD [23:49] can I use slackpkg upgrade-all? how do I exactly upgrade my slack to current? [23:49] you read the documentation. [23:49] Usually when someone asks that they probably shouldn't run -current [23:50] antiwire: s/probably// [23:50] heh [23:50] antiwire: exactly [23:50] slackware: how do I break my box [23:50] marchhare: install ubuntu ;) [23:50] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [23:52] BP{k}: Why dont I just install M$ [23:52] marchhare: ah I thought you simply wanted to break it, I didn't realise you were a masochist as well ;) [23:52] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:53] does anyone here use gpg for email encryption in a commercial/corporate context? [23:54] Well my ultimate question is; Do you export your public keys to the key servers or manually give people the key via other methods? [23:54] BP{k}: Well that's where assumptions will get you! [23:54] hehe, fair point. :) [23:56] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. 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