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[00:01] fuck you [00:01] I think it is time some one more active was made an op :( [00:01] wtf [00:01] rworkman_ (3356@connie.slackware.com) left irc: Changing host [00:01] rworkman_ (3356@about/slackware/rworkman) joined ##slackware. [00:02] andarius: fuck you [00:02] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) returned to ##slackware. [00:02] agreed [00:02] you fuck you self [00:02] andarius: usually they are around at this hour, aren't they? [00:02] dukmb ass [00:02] (I'm not making a case for myself much here either :D ) [00:02] fuzzbawl: there are regular large lags with no active ops [00:02] 'fuck [00:02] by [00:02] i'm thinking.. alison1ken* should be.. he's old and constantly on here [00:02] lol [00:02] go to hell [00:02] lol [00:02] goign [00:02] ]ngh [00:03] ]nighnht [00:03] bugh;tahjt;lksjdf' [00:03] agjkyuapsdifou [00:03] ;EHFA; [00:03] A [00:03] SDJA;SDIKRFAJSDFA [00:03] F';LAKSFJ [00:03] A [00:03] SDASJFA [00:03] SFAJ [00:03] FAJ [00:03] FaJEF [00:03] AFJKA [00:03] ;FLJ [00:03] so, how long does this go on? [00:03] weeks [00:04] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) got lost in the net-split. [00:04] just depends on how much acid and mt. dew is involved [00:04] Nick change: rworkman_ -> rworkman [00:04] Possible future nick collision: rworkman [00:04] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [00:04] gh0st: you should not have to touch permissions of /etc [00:04] where is the admin? pls kick it out. [00:04] ##slackware: mode change '+o slackboy' by rworkman!3356@about/slackware/rworkman [00:04] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:04] wawowe kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Sorry, blinkenshell users, x-pbatuzuwxzoznixx (wario) fucked it up for you. [00:04] wario_ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Sorry, blinkenshell users, x-pbatuzuwxzoznixx (wario) fucked it up for you. [00:04] bikcmp (~bikcmp@unaffiliated/not) joined ##slackware. [00:04] ErrantEgo (~ErrantEgo@freenode/jester/errantego) joined ##slackware. [00:04] wario_: /whois wawowe [00:04] shit again [00:04] lol [00:04] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:05] jdetring (~jay@70.234.189.83) got lost in the net-split. [00:05] admboom (~mf@fw1-aus1.rackspace.net) got lost in the net-split. [00:05] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) got lost in the net-split. [00:05] rahaha (~a@c-24-147-175-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) got lost in the net-split. [00:05] johndee (~id@95-29-184-68.broadband.corbina.ru) got lost in the net-split. [00:05] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) got lost in the net-split. [00:05] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) got lost in the net-split. [00:05] jimi (~jimi@danix.eaerich.com) got lost in the net-split. [00:05] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) got lost in the net-split. [00:05] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) got lost in the net-split. [00:05] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@75.42.83.116) got lost in the net-split. [00:05] fhobia, how do i edit a file inside of there as su? [00:05] rworkman: just in time, I was hunting a freenoder :) [00:05] gh0st: so you are logged in as a regular user or are you using root ? [00:05] regular [00:05] ok, so then you typed in su and entered your password ? [00:05] right [00:05] I would have done that five minutes ago, but the damned nick change wasn't noticed, and I couldn't op myself, nor could I op slackboy [00:05] now, you start an editor like vi or emacs or nano to edit it [00:05] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!3356@about/slackware/rworkman [00:05] fuzzbawl: ola :) [00:05] like "nano /etc/slackpkg/mirrors" [00:06] but i cant get kwrite to open it properly [00:06] rworkman: it was the damn sasquatch again, causing netsplits like he owns the place [00:06] should i just ditch fkin KDE? [00:06] gh0st: no, leave kde alone [00:06] hehe [00:06] ErrantEgo (ErrantEgo@freenode/jester/errantego) left ##slackware. [00:06] gh0st: try using nano if you are new to text editors [00:07] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) got lost in the net-split. [00:07] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.244) got lost in the net-split. [00:07] fiyawerx (fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) got lost in the net-split. [00:07] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) got lost in the net-split. [00:07] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) got lost in the net-split. [00:07] ph|ber (~phiber@mail.synergies4u.com) got lost in the net-split. [00:07] dustybin (dustybin@wizbox.org) got lost in the net-split. [00:07] jgor (jgor@odin.indiecom.org) got lost in the net-split. [00:07] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) got lost in the net-split. [00:07] ananke (~ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) got lost in the net-split. [00:07] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) got lost in the net-split. [00:07] Necos (1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) got lost in the net-split. [00:07] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) got lost in the net-split. [00:07] |Slacker| (~cris@189.64.170.197) got lost in the net-split. [00:07] Alright, ty [00:07] Doesn't that wario person normally hang out here though? I mean - is he drunk or some such? [00:07] he has been here a bit lately for sure. no idea on the reasoning today [00:07] drunken IRC sounds dangerous [00:07] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:07] No shit :) [00:07] gh0st: in nano, just use your cursor keys to move around and delete to delete characters as usual [00:07] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.136) left irc: Quit: Bye [00:07] right right, i used something like this during install [00:07] gh0st: then hit Ctrl + O to save and Ctrl + X to quit [00:08] jimi (~jimi@danix.eaerich.com) joined ##slackware. [00:08] gh0st: awesome [00:08] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:08] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.244) joined ##slackware. [00:08] hmm, even freenode.net is down. one of those days on freenode :) [00:08] admboom (~mf@fw1-aus1.rackspace.net) joined ##slackware. [00:08] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [00:08] jdetring (~jay@adsl-70-234-189-83.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:08] if it wasn't such a red target on a hosting providers back, I would offer a box [00:09] hehe [00:09] rworkman: how is that external drive working out? [00:09] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [00:09] adaptr (~adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [00:09] fuzzbawl: I've not actually done anything with it -- rob0 did the rsyncs. We *really* appreciate that. More than you know. [00:10] n/p. once you have things settled down there, let me know. that internal drive is still on my desk waiting to be swapped [00:12] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Client Quit [00:12] Okay, will do. I should have more (well, relative to right now) free time in a couple of weeks. [00:12] anyone have an idea as to why my clock is absurdly wrong? even though its set to the right timezone [00:12] are you dual-booting? [00:12] nope [00:12] hmmm... check the bios [00:12] Then it's set wrong. [00:13] gh0st: have you used ntpdate recently ? [00:13] you may have chosen UTC when you should have chosen local if you remember that dialog, gh0st [00:13] or vice versa [00:13] never actually [00:13] I'd argue that you should *always* choose UTC for the hardware clock. [00:13] unix I thought always used UTC [00:13] unless you got windows right? [00:13] If you must also boot a win* OS, then you do the registry hack to make it keep UTC time also. [00:13] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [00:13] It works fine on my wife's lappy :) [00:13] yea i used utc, america/pacific [00:14] fuzzbawl: correct [00:14] nptupdate? [00:14] gh0st: before doing that, what does hwclock say? [00:14] ... ntpdate us.pool.ntp.org [00:14] gh0st: hold on, try going to pkgtool, choose the option to run cretain scripts, and then choose timeconfig [00:14] gh0st: as root, do: sh /etc/rc.d/rc.ntpd stop ; ntpdate us.pool.ntp.org [00:14] ntpdate is deprecated! [00:14] rworkman FAIL! [00:14] :) [00:14] ... but - it works :( [00:15] alright ill get back to you guys in a few, ty. [00:15] indeed [00:15] Dominian: YOU'RE deprecated! [00:15] shhh [00:15] I've found that openntpd is *much* better for ntp server use anyway. [00:15] rworkman: yep [00:15] rworkman: which is what you see a lot of SOSHO linux-based routers using [00:15] It "just works" with a simple config change, while ntp is a crapshoot IME. [00:16] ntpd works for me for what I need [00:16] Dominian: indeed; I'm using openntpd on my sheevaplug to serve the lan [00:16] but I don't use it as a time server.. just a client [00:16] Sure, as a *client* the ntp package is fine. [00:16] right.. as a server its horrid [00:16] time to talk PV into using openntpd :P [00:16] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [00:16] do we just bribe him or something ? [00:16] rworkman: how is the sheevaplug so far? [00:17] I actually have all my machines as client to one ntpd-running server, and he just uses a cron'd call to ntpdate to keep his clock correct [00:17] fuzzbawl: awesome. It's doing firewall / dhcpd / bind / ntpd for the lan :) [00:17] sheevaplug or guruplug? [00:17] ang: sheevaplug now; guruplug is arriving Monday according to FedEx [00:17] oooh, nice :) [00:18] ElitestF1 (~ElitestFX@c-98-229-60-65.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:18] rworkman: let me know how that goes. We were discussing putting guruplugs at each of our remote cell sites as a system to test against [00:18] ping, telnet, etc. [00:18] Looking forward to replacing the sheeva with guru; guru has gigabit ethernet, so the wired lan will be all gigabit, and the wireless is 80211N [00:19] Friday my network at home should be happy. new Airport extreme shows up [00:19] fuzzbawl: I think it will be worth the attempt, even if it's ultimately not successful -- I mean, $170 for the hardware (that includes the JTAG thing which you'll need for serial console access) [00:19] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:19] masterslakk (~mastersla@adsl-99-30-144-105.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:19] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:20] I know the sheevaplug supports the verizon 3g card: ID 106c:3714 Curitel Communications, Inc. PANTECH USB MODEM [UM175] <-- that's my home net [00:20] ah. it likely supports mine then as well [00:20] now that would be a handy little device to have on hand for a business trip [00:20] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:21] every time i look up karuna has joined ##slackware [00:21] Yes - a carry-around router. I don't know if the built-in wireless will do AP mode, but if so, htat will be nice for travel [00:21] Hey rworkman, if you have your X11 maintainer's hat handy, I have a question for you [00:21] sure [00:22] I sent volkerdi a message in early May, and a followup ping a few days ago, but no response. [00:22] re: the neomagic driver [00:22] jdetring: don't miss this chance! ask him how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck wasn't so damn lazy [00:22] crap flash still crashes on FF in the x64 RC [00:22] Was wondering if it came across your mailbox? [00:22] does anyone have the x64 RC2 installed? [00:23] jdetring: I haven't seen it, no [00:23] is it ok to send bugs to info@slackware.com? [00:24] Shall I run a cc: your way, then? [00:24] Xgates: volkerdi@ and/or perhaps rworkman@,piterpunk@,alien@ if you know one of us maintains a specific part [00:24] jdetring: sure [00:24] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [00:24] Ok, will fire up gmail. BRB. [00:25] Well I've run across a few various bugs all related to different things and I just sent them to info@ [00:25] now in x64 RC2 flash crashes FF [00:25] info@ seems to be a black hole soemtimes [00:25] flash is not our problem [00:25] it did the same in the RC and I tried about 3-4 different versions and none of them worked [00:25] Sorry - I know that's not what you want to hear, but that's the way it is. There's absolutely nothing we can do about a proprietary plugin [00:26] Is that an old-ish x86_64 proc? [00:26] I know it's not Slack's problem but then don't you think Slack shouldn't even be putting out FF if it's broke with flash? [00:26] what was the verdict with nfs-utils-1.2.2 defaulting to vers=4? [00:26] Xgates: but it's not for most people; e.g. it's fine here. [00:26] rworkman: are you running x64 RC2? [00:26] ang: it should still work fine falling back to nfsv3; it was only a problem in the installer, and that's fixed. [00:26] Xgates: no. [00:27] Xgates: however, I'm running newer than that :) [00:27] newer RC2 from what I thought just came out today [00:27] falling back meaning manually passing -o vers=3 ? [00:27] masterslakk (mastersla@adsl-99-30-144-105.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [00:27] Xgates: never mind on that :) 21:24 < rworkman> Is that an old-ish x86_64 proc? [00:28] ang: no, it should work on its own [00:28] k [00:28] rworkman: you have mail @slackware.com [00:28] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:28] I've got both 13.0 clients and -current clients, and both work fine with -current NFS server [00:28] jdetring: yes, rworkman@ [00:28] oh, yeah. nm :) [00:29] :) [00:29] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:30] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:30] rworkman: hmm, definitely not the behavior i'm seeing [00:30] Is /etc/protocols present? [00:31] anyone know where I can get one of the first releases of flash for x64? [00:31] Robb (~Robb@212.116.219.150) joined ##slackware. [00:31] I can't seem to find the first 10x version, maybe that will work [00:31] yes [00:31] Xgates: can you answer my question above? [00:31] CTCP DCC: SEND irc.tddirc.net#hackerthreads 0 0 0 from Robb (Robb!Robb@212.116.219.150) to ##slackware [00:31] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:31] Urchlay_ (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:31] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:31] gh0st (~gh0st@c-67-182-57-230.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:31] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:31] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:32] ang: none of us were able to repro the issue on a live system. Is this only happening on alpha? [00:32] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:32] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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[00:33] my nfs server is running slackware 11.0 ... not sure if it's some kind of negotiation issue or something? i'm not really well versed on how it works [00:33] heh. hackerthreads [00:33] death to robb, death by bugumba! [00:33] death by snoo snoo [00:33] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:33] A simple bankick will do [00:33] i just did a simple mount 192.168.1.102:/fileserver /mnt ... it tried ~10x with vers=4 and then stopped [00:34] permanent [00:34] ang: possibly; I have an 11.0 vm that I can boot and test, but probably not until this weekend. Can you mail a reminder to me (and CC volkerdi) [00:34] rworkman: what question? [00:34] Xgates: is that an oldish x86_64 proc? [00:34] rworkman: sure. I hope it's not a red herring, but it's happened on both x86 and my alpha :) [00:35] It's probably not a red herring then :) [00:35] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. [00:35] AMD TF-20 [00:35] oh! rworkman, I have presents for you [00:35] Xgates: That doesn't answer my question. [00:35] I don't know how old that is. [00:36] hoobop (user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left ##slackware ("leaving"). [00:36] fuzzbawl: oh? [00:36] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!3356@about/slackware/rworkman [00:36] choppernator (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [00:37] Nick change: choppernator -> chopp [00:37] my understanding is they are about 1 year old [00:37] or a little less, maybe 10 months [00:37] rworkman: hrm.. identd was wakka [00:37] rworkman: probably not the present most people want, but it's helpful sometimes. mind if I /msg ? [00:37] rworkman: known spammer ident [00:37] Xgates: hrm, probably not the issue then. I recall reading about some procs that don't implement something properly so flash doesn't work, but there's a patch floating around [00:37] fuzzbawl: sure [00:37] k [00:37] Dominian: figures [00:38] well I've been running other x64 distros just fine, this is only happening for me on Slack [00:39] rworkman: were you around earlier when I was asking about this? ---> error setting MTRR (base = 0x80000000, size = 0x10000000, type = 1) Inappropriate ioctl for device (25) [00:39] troy (~troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [00:39] ariarat (root@94.182.11.55) left ##slackware. [00:40] fglrx? [00:41] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [00:41] me? [00:42] I'm running the X radeonhd driver not ati proprietary [00:43] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:43] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:43] ariarat (~ariarat@94.182.11.55) joined ##slackware. [00:45] Xgates: cp /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc ~/.xinitrc [00:45] backup the old ~/.xinitrc first if you modified it [00:45] kbdman (~caralegal@unaffiliated/kbdman) joined ##slackware. [00:45] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@unaffiliated/kbdman' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:45] kbdman kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Racist, hateful, inciteful troll. Sorry I missed you last time... --rworkman [00:45] google has that solution siegex but what's the issue? [00:46] heh, I dunno [00:47] it's certainly weird. if that fixes it then a corrupt user .xinitrc? [00:47] on thing i had happening with slack+X was sessions that would conk out after 2 seconds (only the first time) [00:48] wow, that file can get corrupt huh ? [00:48] 2nd time X started wonderfully. this was only when i rebooted/shutdown from within X [00:48] well I'm running as the default /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.blackbox [00:48] iceheart (0@120.195.168.230) joined ##slackware. [00:48] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:48] iceheart kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using IRC as root is dangerous. Please reference "Using IRC as root" via google for further information. [00:48] I thought with changes in Slack you didn't need to make ~/.xinitrc ? [00:48] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [00:49] fhobia corrupt=old and not consistent with something that was updated? dunno. [00:49] the reason i say that is the init scripts willuse /etc/X11/xinit/... if no ~/.xinit... files are found. [00:49] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:49] oh, ok [00:50] so if cp'ing is the answer then the homedir version must be there and must be fubar? [00:50] well I'm just using the /etc/X11 path and I haven't updated anything I just installed the RC2 [00:50] Xgates, do you have dotfiles though? [00:50] I don't see how it's going to be messed up on a fresh install [00:50] ariarat (~ariarat@94.182.11.55) left irc: Changing host [00:50] ariarat (~ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) joined ##slackware. [00:50] dotfiles? [00:51] you don't have a fresh install. you didn't go from zero to RC2 directly [00:51] I'm saying I just installed the RC2 that's still a new install [00:51] it wasn't upgraded from any other version... [00:51] ??? [00:52] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:52] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:52] I just installed ---> http://ftp.heanet.ie/disk1/ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current-iso/slackware64-current-18_May_2010-DVD.iso [00:52] why would it not be possible to install rc2 directly? [00:52] of course you can install it [00:53] Xgates: I am aware of that, I was inquiring why mancha thought otherwise [00:53] don't know [00:53] well i was banking on an upgrade from 13.0. most people don't use thew european -current snapsot [00:53] andarius, just slackpkg update && slackpkg upgrade all && slackpkg install-new [00:53] no I just installed that RC2 iso :) [00:53] upgrade from 13.0 to -current is really fun [00:53] alisonken1noc: slackpkg from what? a boot CD? [00:53] also, I never to upgrades, ever [00:54] at least not on my own gear [00:54] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:54] Action: fhobia finds xset's interface to be one of the most confusing ever [00:54] andarius: from a mirror [00:54] alisonken1noc: forgot clean-system :) ? [00:54] SiegeX: we are talking about a clean install here [00:54] andarius, after you boot into the new system :) [00:55] european -current? Well on Distrowatch it's saying Slackware is at RC2 and then this is the iso, not sure about anything being european -current specific [00:55] fhobia, from a clean install of -current, shoudln't need a clean-system [00:55] fellas, upadate to the present conversation [00:55] lol, yeah, i'm in some different convo [00:55] Action: fhobia bails out [00:55] Xgates, here's the deal, there is NO official ISO for -current [00:55] no offical, but that doesn ot mean one can not and has not been made [00:55] keyword being _official_ [00:55] like the one I have [00:55] in fact the docs are in the tree now [00:55] so if you have an ISO, it is NOT official (lemma to the previous maxim) [00:56] q.e.d. [00:56] mancha: well then someone might want to tell Distrowatch otherwise because by the wording it certainly looks like an official Slack RC [00:56] Action: andarius was unaware you could only install from official media. ohh well [00:56] The Slackware Linux development tree is moving rapidly towards the next stable release - it has now reached release candidate 2 status: [00:56] Xgates, that's not inconsistent with what I said. [00:56] my quesadilla has reached delicious status [00:56] zomg... [00:57] Action: andarius steals it [00:57] rworkman: weird. i'll have to look in to it a bit more before i send the "bug" report. x86 is just giving me connection refused unless i pass -o vers=3, where the version i just recompiled on alpha is giving: mount.nfs: mount(2): Invalid argument\nmount.nfs: an incorrect mount option was specified [00:57] that makes me a sad panda [00:57] slackaholic (1000@187.68.50.219) joined ##slackware. [00:57] Action: andarius gives the sad panda some bamboo :) [00:57] Action: fuzzbawl beats andarius with the bamboo limb and takes his quesadilla back. theif. [00:58] what did you learn? [00:58] anomaly (~Rashid__@adsl-90-2-98.mob.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [00:58] what I'm saying is Distrowatch has listed that Slackware just released RC2 call it whatever you want I know this is considered the current tree, but what I'm saying is I don't get WHY Distrowatch would have it listed on their site making it look like Slackware's official release at RC2 [00:58] Action: andarius retreats to do a clean install of rc2 with unofficial media :P [00:58] Xgates: no point worrying about it. [00:58] Xgates, you have failed miserably at comprehending what I wrote. [00:58] did the MTRR error cause any problems? does its timestamp match ff crashing or something? [00:58] I read what you said, it was quite simple :) [00:59] there is NO official ISO for -current [00:59] yes [00:59] well I don't get why Distrowatch made such a big blunder then [00:59] does Distrowatch say there is an official ISO for RC2? [01:00] spilled milk and so forth [01:00] Read it ---> Slackware Linux The Slackware Linux development tree is moving rapidly towards the next stable release - it has now reached release candidate 2 status: [01:00] sounds pretty official to me it's on the HOME page at Distrowatch listed there have a look [01:00] dude, what is wrong with you? [01:00] http://distrowatch.com/ [01:00] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:00] I heard you are you hearing me? [01:01] wow.. slackbook is like 5 yrs old. [01:01] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:01] I can't hear you. get the Verizon guy in here [01:01] I'm not talking about anything now about what you are saying I'm just SIMPLY talking about WHY Distrowatch has this listed there [01:01] that's all :) [01:01] ok, i opened that page just to see what you're ranting about and what do i find? "..Unofficial installation DVD images of the Slackware "Current" tree, built on 18 May, are available from here: slackware-current-18_May_2010-DVD.iso" [01:02] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [01:02] yes I see now my BAD [01:02] rofl [01:02] TehRabbitt (~rabbott@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:02] So, in review, the dead horse is officially dead [01:02] i felt like i was in the twilight zone! :) [01:02] I thought Pat always released betas and rc versions [01:03] Action: andarius revives the horse !! [01:03] dammit andarius [01:03] not iso's [01:03] Action: fuzzbawl beats andarius with bamboo again [01:03] Action: andarius hides behind the horse [01:04] and with that, I'm going to bed before my g/f wakes up a second time to tell me the bumble bees are trying to eat her [01:04] true story [01:04] lol [01:04] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:04] someone's gotta eat her... [01:04] Action: mancha ducks [01:05] i'm avoiding that discussion. it only leads down a dark and sinister road full of more information than you ever need [01:05] night =) [01:05] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@ppp-69-215-51-3.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net) left irc: Quit: Erp. So that's what kill %1 does! [01:05] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [01:06] i had a dream last night that giant parrots were let loose on earth eating all humans like if they were worms [01:06] what kernel is 13 using? [01:06] 2.6.29.6 [01:06] thanks [01:07] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [01:09] ariarat (ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) left ##slackware. [01:11] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:11] ariarat (~ariarat@94.182.11.55) joined ##slackware. [01:11] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:14] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-28.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [01:15] schoene (~mark@cpe-65-189-215-224.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:15] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [01:16] ariarat (ariarat@94.182.11.55) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:16] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. 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[01:53] before the freenode upgrade being in #freenode was horrible for the dcc stuff [01:54] i see robb got kicked [01:55] Nick change: jewbacca_ -> jewbacca [01:55] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.136) joined ##slackware. [01:56] dustybin (dustybin@wizbox.org) joined ##slackware. [01:58] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) joined ##slackware. [01:59] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [01:59] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:01] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.136) left irc: Quit: Bye [02:01] slackytude (~slacky@g227074224.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [02:03] hmm [02:04] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:04] you know how like the j and f keys have those little dimples ? [02:04] i want to put those on other keys too :P [02:04] are there like stickers or something? [02:04] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. 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[02:11] eviljames (~james@S0106001d7e684945.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:12] i read somewhere that james is evil [02:12] ariarat (~ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) joined ##slackware. [02:12] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) left irc: Quit: velusip [02:12] arnis (~arnis@62.122.16.30) joined ##slackware. [02:12] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:13] jhw (~jhw@p57982868.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:13] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [02:13] morning [02:13] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [02:15] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:16] hah. vp8 finally. [02:16] yeah [02:17] morning slava_dp [02:17] morning [02:17] y0 tewmten [02:17] oh, hey slackytude, tewmten :) [02:17] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:18] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [02:18] \o/ [02:21] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.136) joined ##slackware. [02:25] Azeotrope (JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left ##slackware. [02:26] replay (~replay@69.26.207.251) joined ##slackware. [02:27] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [02:28] slack 13.1 or ff 3.6.4 (which arrives first to a theater near you?) [02:30] 13.1 first [02:30] 3.6.4 delay to june [02:30] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:30] you're probably right, i predict a weekend release [02:31] :) [02:31] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:36] oobe (~aardvark@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:37] doex (~root@86.81.102.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:38] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:38] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:39] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-110.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. 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[03:11] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539] [03:12] can someone figure what package do i need to get rid of this error? -> 'error while loading shared libraries: libsmbclient.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory' [03:12] _marc` (~marc@i577B4354.versanet.de) joined ##slackware. [03:13] you need samba [03:13] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:16] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-28.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [03:17] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:17] thanks mancha... [03:17] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.22) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:19] no probs [03:20] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:27] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [03:28] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [03:28] wtf? I have ubuntu 8.10 on a computer that has no internet and I want to install to the latest (10.04). Seems I have to have 9.04, 9.10 and 10.04 alternate CDs in order to make it *partially* right. [03:29] Azeotrope: #ubuntu [03:29] Azeotrope: why on earth are you asking here ? [03:30] i'm not asking [03:30] I'm telling [03:30] we can tell you how to update slackware very nicely. [03:30] like anyone in here cares for ubuntu [03:30] surrounder: no kidding [03:31] It's more a PITA than that time I had 3 flat tires and no spare tire [03:31] you need the intermediate versions to get to the latest ? [03:31] pffff lame [03:31] ubuntu is a very old african word which roughly means in today's english: i can't configure debian [03:33] last time I checked, ubuntu means "slackware is too hard for me". [03:33] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:33] fhobia: it seems they believe you update as soon as an update is avaialable. With an internet connection it's easier but with the packages cds, no [03:33] i heard it means "i like poo poo color" [03:33] Azeotrope: zomg, tell us more about that wonderful distro! [03:34] Azeotrope: Not to appear as an asshole but, no one here gives a shit. [03:34] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.87.86) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:34] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:34] their brown is bad mojo.... [03:34] well, its purple now i guess [03:34] orly? [03:34] purple is a pretty badass color, so i can't make fun of it [03:34] mancha, it's purple now, with minimize, etc. buttons on the left. [03:34] anything beats the turd brown.... [03:34] i think they even have a music store now too [03:34] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:34] jgeboski, yes, they do. [03:35] haha indeed [03:35] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.27.132) joined ##slackware. [03:35] maybe they'll soon release an iBuntu, to compete with the iPad. [03:35] :P [03:35] you guys also anxiously waiting for mark's windicators? :P [03:35] pfff i use a tiling window manager [03:35] same here [03:35] i have no stinking title bars [03:35] dwm++ [03:36] fire|bird: don't laugh [03:36] for windicators [03:36] it does seem kind've cool though [03:36] like controlling volume for each individual app [03:36] if i weren't 84 years old i'd use a tiling WM. i can't afford to have things small nowadays [03:36] i guess [03:36] mancha: haha [03:36] mancha: just put the font on size 20 and you're fine [03:37] guess i'm ok with ubuntu as long as i can uninstall most of it [03:37] and install pkgtools [03:37] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-110.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:37] had a horrible time with 10.04 on our new backup server [03:38] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:38] that distro is truely created by morons who don't test their stuff [03:38] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4246, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-04-10 03:32:29 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [03:38] Action: mancha sets font to Dingbats 43 point [03:38] hehe [03:38] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [03:39] dude, tiling wms are so ugly. what do you need them for? [03:39] haha [03:39] ... lol [03:39] 8) how could they be ugly...there is no space wasted :P [03:40] Azeotrope: just stfu please ? <3 [03:40] lol he's cool [03:40] that's quite an overstatement [03:40] as i've used linux, i've just slowly lost all sense of taste and aesthetic [03:41] i had to have gnome for a while [03:41] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:41] then fvwm [03:41] fvwm rocks [03:41] then tiling [03:41] by the way, scribus is a pretty farkin' professional piece of wares [03:41] it just got uglier and uglier [03:41] lol [03:42] Azeotrope: dear Azeotrope, you know some people who admin unix machines for a living use a lot of terminals, you know those? those things where you can type commands in! and why on earth should you bother about resizing/moving said windows? let the WM figure it out [03:42] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:42] machan_ (~chatzilla@112.135.11.59) joined ##slackware. [03:43] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:44] machan (~chatzilla@112.135.27.16) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:44] surrounder: i thought that if you admin unix machines from multiple terminals for a living you don't do it GUI-style [03:44] Nick change: machan_ -> machan [03:44] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:46] cteg (~heretic@host-091-097-164-171.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [03:46] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:49] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:54] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.136) left irc: Quit: Bye [03:55] Azeotrope: yeah you're right, a 80x25 textconsole is far more comfortable [03:59] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.227) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:00] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:03] ariarat (ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) left ##slackware. [04:03] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:03] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [04:04] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:06] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:06] im trying to install virtualbox ose but when i run the slackbuild i get "Checking for iasl: [04:06] ** iasl (variable IASL) not found! [04:06] " any ideas? [04:08] nvm, guess i need acpi [04:08] slackytude (~slacky@2001:41b8:9bf:fe75:20c:f1ff:fe48:7a55) joined ##slackware. [04:11] slackytude (~slacky@2001:41b8:9bf:fe75:20c:f1ff:fe48:7a55) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:11] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:14] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:14] slackytude (~slacky@studpool-wlan44.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [04:18] cteg (~heretic@host-091-097-164-171.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:19] johndee_ (~id@95-29-184-68.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:19] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:20] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-207-051.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [04:21] shadowx (~7350@singularity.darknetx.eu) joined ##slackware. [04:24] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:26] shadowx (~7350@singularity.darknetx.eu) left irc: Quit: BitchX: its everywhere you want to be [04:26] How could I connect thru ssh from my computer to another that is using a public WiFi for internet access? [04:28] Azeotrope: is the other system you are trying to connect to running the ssh daemon or something that allows incoming connections? [04:29] johndee (~id@93-81-136-162.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:29] Azeotrope, you won't be able to connect to a computer that is behind NAT, if you don't have a forwarded port. [04:29] adamk` (~user@h-67-102-187-37.phlapafg.static.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:30] Azeotrope, on the other hand, he may be able to connect to you. [04:30] adamk (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:30] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:31] you may also create a vpn tunnel, but you need access to that computer first, to set it up :) [04:31] I think he's on a WiFi system trying to tinker with people's systems based on his question [04:31] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:31] Dexter (~dexter@219.64.95.198) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [04:32] Azeotrope, clarify the location of "my computer". [04:32] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:32] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. 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[05:24] or project [05:24] phrag, hey man [05:24] yea [05:24] read about that on aliens blog, great news =) [05:24] firefox build available for testing [05:25] ah i ll check that out [05:28] yea its testable now In the browsers address bar, add &webm=1 to the end of the URL [05:28] with the firefox wem nightly build [05:28] *webm* [05:29] at youtube. [05:30] ah ha. I just figured out why sbopkg was not updating. ;P [05:31] I figured it was probably a broken url. :) [05:32] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [05:33] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.244) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:33] it's a nice tool [05:33] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [05:34] phreak (~phreak@pool-71-249-11-212.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:36] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.244) joined ##slackware. [05:37] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:37] dieter- (~dieter@84-23-67-251.blue.kundencontroller.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [05:40] Teratogen (leontopod@intertwingled.net) joined ##slackware. [05:41] ok [05:41] now I am pissed [05:41] GO BP!!! Unstoppable oil spill, and hurricane season is upon us, O YEA SHOOTIN FOR WORST ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER EVER!!! [05:41] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:41] i live in florida :/ [05:41] dieter- (~dieter@84-23-67-251.blue.kundencontroller.de) joined ##slackware. [05:42] its possible that this spill could potentially effect up to 2500 miles of coastline [05:42] or more [05:42] they're saying it could possibly hit a stream in the ocean that goes north. It would bring that shit all along the east coast too :/ [05:42] jgeboski: its already hit that [05:42] how far it goes is the question [05:43] BP will never get it all up [05:43] and they also said the estimates by BP at 5000 barrels a day is WAAAY off [05:43] why don;t you build a refinery on the coast and use the free oil [05:43] could be as much as 200,000 barrels a day [05:43] and the really disturbing part is that it is still leaking [05:43] at 200,000 barrels a day [05:43] A DAY [05:43] its debatable how much oil is being released because the majority of the flow is gas [05:43] that's a lot of money [05:44] Skywise: yea well [05:44] either way [05:44] its fucking BAD [05:44] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:44] they're pulling up 3,000 barrels a day with the tube [05:44] yea [05:44] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.21.158) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:44] its bad, no doubt [05:44] there's got to be a way to plug that thing [05:45] its 5000 feet down [05:45] one of the deepest rigs [05:45] are they just to use the tube forever? [05:45] they're trying, they wanna put cement in the top of the well [05:45] jgeboski: they have plans to plug it [05:45] but..... [05:45] yea what Skywise said [05:45] i understand it's a mile down [05:45] it's just with all the technology in today's world [05:46] you'd think they would have had it handled [05:46] i think the real issue is that they're not ready to deal with an accident [05:46] Buggaboo (~Buggab00@53531BD8.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:46] Skywise: so true [05:46] they shouldn't have to be doing this all ad hoc [05:46] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.27.75) joined ##slackware. [05:47] trust me when I say that no well is capable of producing 200,000 barrels a day. [05:47] I think they should have been prepared to act in case of an accident. [05:47] popl: yeah, no kidding [05:47] yea, well, money before brains [05:48] who cares about the consiquences when ur making BILLIONS [05:48] that's exactly what it is. money before safety [05:48] they only plan for small accidents because planning for larger accidents is an admission they're possible [05:48] Skywise: good point [05:48] i think that's how the rig blew up in the first place was becuase of safety issue [05:49] we haven't even had a clear description of the accident yet [05:49] shit is terrible, i can only imagine all the animals that oil spill has killed already [05:49] Skywise: you know ..... [05:50] the senate hearings, one guys said it was the sealant, another says it was the bop, someone else said it was a battery [05:50] bop? [05:50] blow out preventer [05:50] blow out preventor [05:50] Skywise: the timing is fucking amazing, florida was about to pass a bill to allow drilling off the coast, something a LOT of people with a LOT of money DO NOT want to happen, was that an accident? [05:50] a fixture thats supposed to prevent this kind of disaster [05:50] oh, ok [05:50] I saw illustrations of the cap(s) they were trying to install [05:51] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:51] I don't know much about underwater oil drilling. [05:51] and it happened right after obama came out and said lets drill more off shore [05:51] Skywise: yep, about three days before the bill was to be passed [05:51] which it didnt [05:51] and this is deep but only 125 miles off the coast [05:51] Of course the public might think that this is his fault now. [05:51] Which it isn't, obviously. [05:51] huh [05:52] obama? [05:52] Yes. [05:52] nah [05:52] not at all [05:52] he's pro drilling [05:52] if this was intentional it was a anti-drilling act [05:52] bp contributed alot to his campagin [05:52] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:52] Skywise: no doubt [05:53] yea i think it is, i don't think bp wants additional sources of domestic oil [05:53] I'm sure he's as crooked as any other politician [05:53] Skywise: humm, interesting theory [05:53] they make more money when oil is imported [05:53] yea, ofc [05:53] there are tankers full of oil parked all over just to keep retail prices higher [05:54] I'm just implying that the public tends to associate disasters that occur during a particular president's "reign" with that president. [05:54] Take Hoover, for instance. [05:54] glarb_ (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:54] obama's response is what will be important [05:54] Skywise: i think the cleanup effort has been a bit of a joke [05:54] yup [05:54] he first tried to say it was all bp [05:54] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:54] it's all politicking. :( [05:55] at least, that's what it seems like. [05:55] adamk` (user@h-67-102-187-37.phlapafg.static.covad.net) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [05:55] not the spill itself, but everything else [05:55] and poor ass LA, they are getting the worse of it and they are a broke ass state with no money to take care of this EPIC disaster [05:55] but i think there should be someone ready to clean up a disaster and then just send bp the bill [05:55] Skywise: yea that would be nice [05:56] you mean something like the USACE? [05:56] adamk (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [05:57] Skywise: if we get a hurricane early in the season, especially if it hasnt been plugged yet, this is going to get way worse [05:57] there will be alot more washed up on shore [05:57] and spread further [05:58] it could take months to seal off the well [05:58] well enough talk bout all this, i gotta get back to work, tootles guys, just heard an update on the news and its just, WOW FAIL [05:59] i just don't think thats acceptable [05:59] Skywise: i know [05:59] i agree [05:59] totally [05:59] it should already be sealed [05:59] impotent fury. :/ [05:59] yea [05:59] its been almost a month now [05:59] and its still spewing? [05:59] we hear about all these huge machines and capabilities, but they can't contain a gusher [06:00] theres a halfassedness to this whole response [06:00] agreed [06:00] cuba's gettin pissed, and i think they have EVERY right to be [06:01] a couple of days after the accident, there was a report of people getting sick from working in the fumes and i thought no one bought respirators or oxygen to work in an oil spill? [06:01] I think North Korea will fire the first shot. [06:01] get ready for Thunderdome [06:01] north korea sank that ship [06:01] :D [06:01] haha [06:01] deximat (~deximat@109.92.95.52) joined ##slackware. [06:01] n korea needs to stfu already [06:01] someone needs to go kick the shit out of north korea [06:01] What I don't get is why there aren't shut-off valves all along the length of these pipes. [06:01] they cant even feed the people [06:02] adamk: its broke off down at the head [06:02] adamk: nobody in bp has any foresight [06:02] or down by it [06:02] the whole thing is broken in a few places [06:02] slackin: There's only one? :-) [06:02] Heh. [06:02] heh, yea [06:02] there were three, I reae [06:02] i know [06:02] *read [06:02] there is two [06:02] right? [06:02] now there are two [06:02] i think the preventer is leaking and broken, theres pipe that went to the platform thats leaking as well [06:02] according to my information [06:03] just think about all the oil that is on the bottom or just under the surface [06:03] they have the remnants of the north korean torpedo [06:03] Skywise: orly [06:03] haha [06:04] just saw pics of it on cnn [06:04] why doesn't someone just bitch slap that kim jong il or whatever his name is [06:04] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:04] i mean, seriously [06:04] its the iraq problem [06:04] you break it you bought it [06:04] eh [06:04] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [06:04] \o [06:04] so everyone gets mad but no one wants to take over [06:05] deximat (~deximat@109.92.95.52) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:05] Skywise: where u from? [06:05] china supports them because they don't want north koreans fleeing into china [06:05] machan (~chatzilla@112.135.11.59) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:05] maryland [06:05] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:05] true [06:06] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:11] we should drop a couple of hydrogen bombs on North Korea [06:11] and one on Mecca [06:12] =) [06:12] everything we bomb we have to put back together [06:13] Nick change: ananke_ -> ananke [06:13] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:14] enough please =P [06:14] oh yeah and we should lob a few at Iran [06:14] oh, sorry phrag =/ [06:14] north korea is a complex problem [06:14] Yah [06:14] Finger on the 'ban' button [06:15] =) [06:15] haiti has many parallels with north korea [06:16] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:16] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [06:16] alienBOB: great news about the webm/vp8 stuff, enjoyed your post =) [06:16] Yeah thanks [06:16] any efforts to help the poor will be looted before it gets there [06:16] listen you guys, I don't think I am ready for KDE 4 =/ [06:16] alienBOB: did you get my lvm/luks bug report? i forwared to you few days ago, but used wrong email addy [06:16] phreak (phreak@pool-71-249-11-212.nycmny.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [06:17] sent to pat originally [06:17] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:17] Teratogen: poor thing! [06:17] phrag: can't remember an email from you [06:17] I am not sure I'm ready for a web browser with support for frames. [06:17] alienBOB: i *just* resent to alien@slackware.com [06:17] Action: alienBOB is not sure he is ready for people complaing about readiness... think I'll drop a bomb on them [06:17] popl, w3m or links! [06:17] he sent it to the wrong address, did you check your wrong email address yet? [06:18] phrag: I'll have a quick look then [06:18] basically, if you add another luks container (say for storage) and add the entry in /etc/crypttab, and put LVM on top of that, rc.S initiates the LVM scan for the root/home/swap stuff, but the extra does not rescan for LVM once opened [06:19] Ah I remember that one! [06:19] i fixed by moving the LVM section in rc.S to *after* luks has completed [06:19] is there an rfc about that? [06:19] Teratogen: can't somebody just send me a telegram? :D [06:19] Yeah that is an unsupported configuration [06:19] works a treat like that [06:19] rss-to-telegram [06:19] johndee (~id@93-81-136-162.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:20] i was wondering if a little check (if -e /etc/crypttab) would be beneficial.. i do submit it is a custom setup, and probably not too common.. however thought i would mention =) [06:21] phrag: if you moved that bit of code, then LUKS containers on an LVM won't be found anymore [06:21] So, some lines need to be added, not moved [06:21] Like the init script in the mkinitrd package [06:21] is it possible to query a remote machine for the pass phrase with luks [06:21] Skywise: no, you need to be at the console [06:21] yeah this is true, i thought about it.. so the only way would be too add an extra lvm scan after [06:21] Indeed, that is an option [06:22] i realise it's probably not worth changing rc.S for this one specific situation, although it would make it more resilient and not add any extra weight to the bootup [06:22] if no /etc/crypttab, skip the 2nd lvm scan [06:22] anyway, glad your aware.. shall leave it in your hands now =) [06:23] what i was thinking is that for a remote location, you could allow access by ip and then as long as the machine is booting from where its supposed to it can decrypt its volumes [06:23] but if its disconnected or relocated, then it wouldn't be allowed [06:23] interesting setup [06:23] but that is only required at boot time / decryption [06:24] Skywise: the passphrase prompt is _only_ displayed on the local boot console [06:24] i understand that, but theres a way to do it with a usb drive, and i'm wondering if that could be extended to sftp or the like [06:25] i'd like to be able to use it in a colocation [06:25] i've seen howtos on exactly just that: LUKS used on root filesystem, and password can be entered via ssh [06:25] You can not remotely boot a Slackware computer with an encrypted root partition [06:25] that's interesting [06:25] granted, they weren't slackware howtos [06:25] ananke: Redhat can I think [06:26] http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/579 is one of those articles [06:26] yeah, i read that, and it should work in slack too [06:26] the other ones i've seen were ubuntu [06:28] Kaapa (~Something@a95-93-240-222.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:28] i wonder how much luks is a penalty with something like a database engine [06:29] Kaapa (~Something@a95-93-240-222.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [06:29] It seems to me that remotely unlocking a LUKS device isn't such a great idea. [06:30] over ssh should be fine [06:30] you can even use certs [06:30] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:31] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: Quit: .. [06:33] wouldn't those have to be kept on the unencrypted boot partition, though? [06:33] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [06:33] yeah, but you wouldn't give it root access [06:34] you'd just let it login to get the passphrase [06:34] ssh is just to keep someone from snooping [06:34] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:35] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-6-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:35] sure, but I just copy your stuff from /boot, spoof your ssh server and trick you into giving up your credentials [06:35] that could work, don't you think? [06:36] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:36] Azeotrope (JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left ##slackware. [06:37] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [06:37] well, if you have physical access you own the machine anyway [06:37] you'd have to spoof the client [06:39] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:41] but even if you copied /boot, you woudln't get root [06:43] if your purpose is just to circumvent the encryption you don't need or necessarily want root privileges do you? [06:43] you don't get access to the os [06:44] but you get access to the data, which is what you're after [06:44] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:44] we might be thinking of two different scenarios though [06:44] I am thinking of a sort of hybrid remote/local attack [06:45] it would have to be [06:45] i was thinking about having physical access and attacking locally [06:46] if you copied the credentials, then you could boot another kernel and mount the volumes [06:46] the local bits would be copying /boot and getting the server keys, and then after you trick the user into giving up credentials you could decrypt the drive locally and copy all the data [06:47] Nick change: xchg_brum -> xchg [06:47] but i guess it would be the same thing as booting in a vm [06:47] or maybe there is an old version of some software running on the machine, and you use the credentials to bring it up remotely and then exploit your vulnerability [06:52] estranho (~estranho@mvx-200-201-182-130.mundivox.com) joined ##slackware. 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[07:05] psYcker (~psYcker@201.164.207.191) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:08] I'm on slackware 13 using xfce4, trying to hibernate through xfce-power-manager. I've added my user to group power, but the 'hibernate' and 'suspend' buttons on the xfce-power-manager context menu are grayed out. I've made no other modifications to any power-related settings that I'm aware of. Am I missing some configuration? [07:08] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:09] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [07:09] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:11] dsockwell: does `id` say you're in the power group? [07:11] ilaiho (ilaiho@xob.kapsi.fi) joined ##slackware. [07:11] why there is still tetex in slackware instead of texlive [07:12] ok, i found the answer, sorry [07:14] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [07:14] jgeboski: yes [07:15] Skywise: that is an interesting thought. are you thinking of it in context of an attack or just in general? [07:15] Skywise: I suppose that would have to be a local attack too [07:16] yeah, its physical [07:17] I can't think of how tor emotely attack a vm anyways :) [07:17] dsockwell: have you tried restarting? [07:17] I remember there was this blue pill exploit [07:17] it would be something along those lines [07:17] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:18] jgeboski: i logged out and logged back in. pm-hibernate works from a root shell. [07:18] some kind of trojan [07:18] dsockwell: reboot. I bet that will fix it. :) [07:18] jgeboski: ok, just for you ;) back in a minute [07:18] :) [07:19] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware ("We were always meant to say goodbye..."). [07:24] wow, thanks jgeboski, i never would have thought of it [07:24] where can i turn in my badge? [07:25] haha [07:25] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [07:26] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-uupoimfgvbaqhlrm) joined ##slackware. [07:27] next project is to configure runlevel 5. [07:28] ... [07:29] slackware would have funny runlevels, wouldn't it [07:30] gh0st (~gh0st@c-67-182-57-230.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:35] psYcker (~psYcker@201.164.207.191) joined ##slackware. [07:36] slackware has normal runlevels - everyone else changed theirs [07:37] runlevel 5, eh? :) [07:37] alisonken1noc, tell us more! [07:38] Action: kslen wraps himself in blanket and sits down in front of the fire [07:38] Action: raela passes around popcorn [07:38] slackware runlevels have been set since the sls days _waaaay_ before others like redhat were even a gleam in their daddy's eyes :) [07:38] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-uupoimfgvbaqhlrm) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:38] ^^ [07:39] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-yvmdwqtjbajlfuwx) joined ##slackware. [07:39] and since slack has been around a lot longer than any of the currrent crop, that's saying something [07:40] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:40] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. 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[10:04] "Taxpayers should not be expected to prop up any theatres or museums that cannot survive on a commercial basis." [10:04] what that phrase means? im a bit confused with english here [10:06] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:06] xe7 (abhishek@devio.us) left ##slackware. [10:06] luckyskywalker (~remir@187.113.12.45) left irc: Client Quit [10:07] guax: it means, should we, the taxpayer.. pay for museums/art galleries [10:07] to open/remain open [10:08] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [10:08] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [10:08] phrag, thanks [10:08] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [10:08] lol: "Our civil liberties are being excessively curbed in the name of counter-terrorism." [10:09] i dont think that applies here in brazil. but whatever eauhhea [10:11] nooneelse (~brunodeol@unaffiliated/nooneelse) joined ##slackware. [10:11] how can I definitly change the console keyboard layout ?? [10:11] if I use loadkeys and I reboot, the keys I've loaded still the default ?? [10:12] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:13] nooneelse, /etc/rc.d/rc.fong [10:13] /etc/rc.d/rc.font rather [10:14] im almost in the midle of the left libertarian. and people think im authoritarian =/ [10:15] nooneelse, there's setconsolefont too, try it. [10:15] oh, you said layout.... then rc.font [10:16] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [10:18] alkos333 (~alkos333@68-30-145-237.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [10:18] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:19] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [10:20] slava_dp oh thanks I'll give a try [10:23] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:23] i'm working on a windowmanager where the only input device is an indian phone representetive with a low quality voip connection [10:25] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:25] gimme one [10:26] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [10:27] troy_ (~troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [10:28] AnTourter (~gggjlt@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:28] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [10:30] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:30] troy (~troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:31] jstg (~jstg@166.205.140.235) joined ##slackware. [10:32] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. 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[10:40] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:40] adrien true, I have this file here [10:40] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Client exiting [10:40] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [10:41] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [10:42] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:44] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:44] slackytude (~slacky@g227074224.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:47] alkos333 (~alkos333@68-30-145-237.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:49] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. 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[11:54] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.136) left irc: Quit: Bye [11:54] if I run the program as root, my files download, if I run as a user they download then delete (no permission) so ill run the program as root, and get my files, the issue is the program stores the files in the users directory [11:55] rab13s: Although I don't think that I will be able to help you much. [11:55] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.136) joined ##slackware. [11:55] so anything I download as root, goes to the /root directory [11:55] Mel-nix: thanks anyway [11:56] rab13s: You mean to say that the program deletes the files after downloading? [11:56] only if the program was run as a non root user [11:57] Mel-nix: would it be possible to give the program permission using chown or chmod? [11:57] rab13s: Be warned that you are strongly discouraged from running a program as "root". 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[12:22] troy_ (~troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:23] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:23] Zordrak: having a hell of a time configuring pacemaker.. [12:29] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.136) left irc: Quit: Bye [12:30] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [12:38] Comcast an NBC are merging. That's going to be deadly [12:38] Plazma (~Plazma@freenode/staff/plazma) left irc: Ping timeout: 630 seconds [12:40] irhaman (~zee@125.162.37.25) joined ##slackware. [12:41] PerB3n3 (~fabio@93-45-101-55.ip101.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [12:42] that's old news... i'm surprised the FCC is allowing it [12:42] revel0 (~revel0@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:44] nooneelse (~brunodeol@unaffiliated/nooneelse) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:44] nooneelse (~brunodeol@201.90.155.112) joined ##slackware. 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[13:14] tuxdev, the problem is that comcast has an issue with net neutrality [13:15] that's kind of a totally separate issue than the merging problem [13:16] nvision (~nvision@e179132119.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:16] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-6-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:18] it's an old issue, yeah, but still... [13:18] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-cdalobvdicxrwlyg) joined ##slackware. [13:19] vincent__ (~vincent@AAmiens-152-1-11-161.w83-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:19] jesus, I'm definetely writing a little howto on this when its all over [13:20] replay1 (~replay@69.26.207.254) joined ##slackware. [13:20] http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/04/06/1535226/Net-Neutrality-Suffers-Major-Setback [13:20] http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/04/10/1332221/FCC-May-Tweak-Broadband-Plan [13:21] vincent__ (~vincent@AAmiens-152-1-11-161.w83-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:21] slackaholic (~damasceno@200.129.136.93) joined ##slackware. [13:21] yea :( [13:22] replay (~replay@69.26.207.251) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:22] it's lame, indeed [13:22] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:22] comcast is a perfect example of what happens when a company gets to money hungry and powerful [13:23] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) joined ##slackware. [13:23] slackaholic (~damasceno@200.129.136.93) left irc: Client Quit [13:23] replay1 (replay@69.26.207.254) left ##slackware. [13:23] i think comcast a while back actually set a cap on basndwidth for residential serive [13:23] service* [13:24] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:24] and the funny thing is i am fighting to get comcast to run a line to my house right now [13:24] it did [13:24] HughesNet sucks [13:24] brainvision (~brainvisi@host45-29-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:25] good luck with that [13:25] :p [13:25] gnugr (~gnugr.org@athedsl-211438.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:26] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [13:27] ^.^v [13:28] irhaman (~zee@125.162.37.25) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:31] jgeboski: almost all isp's are like that [13:32] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [13:34] any good guide how to install slackware OS? [13:34] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.96) joined ##slackware. [13:34] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) joined ##slackware. [13:35] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:35] i am trying to compile rtorrent... and i get this error during compile time -> cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libldap.la' [13:35] any ideas? [13:36] install ldap [13:36] technically, openldap me gueses. [13:38] DIVISION BY ZERO [13:38] READY. [13:38] [] [13:39] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-111-21-186.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [13:39] njathan: if you dont need ldap, remove it from the configurations [13:40] *one of my biggest gripes with slackware pkgs LDAP [13:40] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:40] xsamurai, you mean rtorrent build configuration? [13:40] yes [13:41] the openldap client is part of slack though... [13:41] brainvision (~brainvisi@host45-29-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:41] true but i see no point in installing openldap client on my desktop at home where ldap will never be used [13:41] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) joined ##slackware. [13:42] incase you want to make a database before updating the production system [13:42] it's about 1 meg uncompressed [13:42] no one in their right mind queries a ldap database, but you could one day [13:42] njathan: you'll need it ldap though for alot of pkgs, if you dont want to go through the headache of editing every other slackbuild that has ldap configured or compiled in [13:42] mancha: what can you say im anal [13:43] i have a nice ldap browser i use called jexplorer [13:43] but it reminds me of debian , where eh its only one dependency that I dont need [13:43] having ldap won't hurt you [13:43] and removing it won't gain you anything either [13:43] Skywise: I have a rubber doll i use called called rdoll [13:43] too much ldap causes cancer in lab mice [13:43] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:44] i always knew there was something wrong with it [13:44] mancha: thats only acording to the state of california [13:44] speaking of things, database...anyone know about mysql's release schedule? [13:44] i've seen a growth in my chest hair , which is definitely a + [13:44] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:44] they have a schedule? [13:44] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-cdalobvdicxrwlyg) left irc: Disconnected by services [13:45] they don't? [13:45] with oracle at the controls, i wouldn't be surprised if releases had fewer features then the previous [13:45] dunno oracle is gonna take care of it just like opensolaris [13:45] xsamurai: not when the future mrs. xsamurai tells you to wax it :p [13:45] oracle is destroying everything i hate, hence i <3 oracle [13:46] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-jwilyqaxzyvpqrbo) joined ##slackware. [13:46] they won't destroy mysql, its already forked [13:46] v3gard: i got my chest waxed several times, i stopped after nipples couldnt take it anymore [13:46] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:46] use an epilator [13:46] AcEg33k (~prashant@122.167.253.123) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:46] Skywise: i doubt mysql is going anywhere though [13:46] they're like a razor only its a barrel of tweezers [13:47] ah [13:47] important development will be kept to the "enterprise" versions [13:47] Skywise: you know in the states body hair is frowned upon but in Asia women are attracted to it [13:47] One of the KVirc devs is a debian package maintaner. [13:47] there won't be much trickle down [13:47] I was shocked on my first trip there [13:47] body hair itches, them womenz are crazy [13:47] *maintainer [13:48] wc [13:48] aha, so if you use the community version you'll get the sloppy leftovers? [13:48] yea [13:48] I dont think so [13:48] lol [13:48] I think it'll just be missing corporate support and some management panel [13:49] mysql is tied to php, unless php leaves mysql , oracle will make sure to support it [13:49] is Drizzle any good? [13:49] since php is the chosen language of the web [13:50] yeah, i'm sticking with lamp [13:50] I love how management takes my work , rewrites it as their own and takes all the credit [13:50] I have a different idea on how mysql is going to progress. [13:50] Skywise: i've fallen for postgresql since day 1 [13:50] xsamurai, thats the express function of management [13:51] I should draw goats doing it next time and submit my "evaluation" [13:51] why does slackware include multiple applications that serve a single purpose? like xine/mplayer/dragonplayer all for viewing video! [13:51] Alan_Hicks: please enlighten us [13:51] I think Oracle will continue to develop the community edition, but they will also add lots of tools and performance tweaks to their enterprise edition. [13:51] i'm surprised they made the effort to rewrite it tho, thats damn near ethical [13:51] This enterprise edition will also have a supported migration path for customers who later decide to up the antee and use Oracle. [13:51] njathan you don't believe in options? in choice? in freedom? ina God given right to liberty? [13:52] thats what i was sayin [13:52] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [13:52] This would give people a clear upgrade path from basic MySQL to Oracle support MySQL to the Oracle database itself, something no other company can boast. [13:52] all the cool stuff will be in interprise to whet your appetite for oracle [13:52] in enterprise [13:52] Skywise: but you dont have a southern accent, so we pay less attention to you as apposed to Alan_Hicks [13:52] mancha, oh i do! but they can also be got from the slackbuilds.. no? or is it just because slackbuilds is not official? [13:52] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-jwilyqaxzyvpqrbo) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:53] Skywise: I suspect the enterprise edition will only vary slightly, mostly in additional closed source tools or database types. The front-end would be almost identical. [13:53] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:53] Alan_Hicks: I'm surprised to see you responding to the FUD. I did yesterday, but the same people are spouting the same nonsense.. so I quit. [13:53] So instead of Meing limited to InnoDB and MyISAM, you might also have the oracle storage engine underneath. [13:53] I hate Meing limited [13:53] hey Alan :D [13:54] eviljames: Actually, I'm not responding to the FUD so much as offering what I feel to be a more likely situation in hopes of dissipating some of the FUD. [13:54] fuzzbawl: Howdy! [13:54] Alan_Hicks: how goes the battle of Thursday? [13:54] eviljames: are you still upset about me picking on osol ? =P [13:55] yes, but will innodb get field level locking or other transactional goodies? [13:55] Skywise: That's difficult to say. [13:55] fuzzbawl: Much much better than the previous three-day battle which I have dubbed "The Battle of Three Mondays". [13:56] Alan_Hicks, i think things that like will be the carrot to lead one up the upgrade path [13:56] mysql will definitely benefit from oracles addons [13:56] r_linux (~r_linux@189.38.220.35) joined ##slackware. [13:56] Skywise: That's very possible. [13:57] Basically, I don't see Oracle crippling MySQL, not even the community edition of mySQL. They could certainly do so, but to what benefit? It makes more sense for them to create upgrade paths from MySQL to Oracle. [13:57] Alan_Hicks: My week always has three Mondays [13:58] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-fmfqrywwetlezhpw) joined ##slackware. [13:58] i think its possible that oracle will decide that a feature doesn't warrant support in the community version and put it in enterprise where developers can be paid to maintain said feature [13:58] fuzzbawl: I hope your three aren't anything like my three. [13:58] I gotta noob issue with sabnzbd I could use a hand with [13:58] Alan_Hicks: probably not. My three usually deal with absolute idiots for sales people [13:58] Skywise: That's possible, but I also expect that as those things mature in enterprise they will leak down to community. [13:59] fuzzbawl: Lemme tell you about my three then.... :-) [13:59] Its basic business logic, they have a higher chance of attracting potential customers to their application by supporting an open source project [13:59] I'll prepare the 4yr old Port I have sitting in the cellar then [14:00] fuzzbawl: Colo load balancer shit itself, discovered we have two load balancers that "load balance" via round-robin ARP routing, web sites mounted via NFS on a "high availaiblity" system using DRBD, only to have the primary node crash and discover that the secondary node had never synched via DRBD, no backups, DNS FUBAR, MySQL tables with 2,000,000+ rows, load through the roof, everything down. [14:00] clearly they wanted to expand into the smaller scale markets. didn't they buy up berkeley db earlier/ [14:00] ? [14:01] Alan_Hicks, but at least there wasn't a fire [14:01] Skywise: I'm still not entirely certain there wasn't. [14:01] Alan_Hicks: so you're saying that after everything went Tango Uniform that you flew south to a deserted island? [14:01] fuzzbawl: I'm saying after it went tits up, me and Daniel had to fix everything with little (read: no) help from the colo. [14:03] i am not the biggest fan of consolidations. the latest i heard about was symantec buying up verisign's web trust dept. [14:03] i wanna see CA dissappear entirely, they're a pox on ssl [14:03] Alan_Hicks: that sounds less than fun. Hopefully everything is calm now? [14:03] this is on the heels of symantec buying up securityfocus and a few other things, and ALSO publishing that nonsense report of how linux is to blame for the world's spam [14:04] fuzzbawl: The wind has died down, but the storm clouds remain. [14:04] symantec have been black hats since the 90s [14:04] everything after norton utilities has been evil [14:07] Symantec isn't evil..just useless. [14:08] i wonder how much they paid him ($$) to say this: http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/05/19/489143/former-hacker-praises-microsoft.html [14:08] thats like a lockpick recommending a lock [14:10] xsamurai: hah, no. you're actually funny sometimes, despite being hopelessly wrong :P [14:10] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:10] xsamurai: Then again, I'll eat my words if Oracle decides it wants to somehow magically re-close-source Solaris. [14:11] eviljames: i doubt they will, they will approach it just like they are doing with mysql [14:12] hey, that's what I was saying! [14:12] I know but I like driving osol ppl nuts [14:12] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:12] straterra: Symantec is better than .. say ... Macaffee. I don't know when the last time Symantec cripped tens of thousands of machines worldwide simultaneously... [14:12] lesser of two evils [14:13] eviljames: The last time tens of thousands of people simultaneously installed Norton Antivirus. :-) [14:13] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.96) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:13] v4nelle (~van@79.107.202.55) joined ##slackware. [14:13] Alan_Hicks: That's just it, unless there's a Norton Antivirus install-a-thon, Macaffee actually manages to cripple more machines in one shot. [14:13] I like that malware looks totally legit by bugging people for money, just like Norton. [14:14] Yeah. [14:14] I don't like that friends/family will sometimes call me and say "I thought you said my anti-virus was free.. why is it asking for money?" [14:14] The answer, always, "Because you installed a virus that looks like an antivirus program. They're sneaky. If anyone needs money, it's me. For un-fscking your machine." [14:15] i think the latest malware is cute, the scareware that says "We have detected pirated content on your boxen but rather than send you to jail for 47 years, we're willing to out-of-court settle for $400" [14:15] please give us your CC number and your mother's maiden name now... [14:16] eviljames: you know, oracle is doing just that with some of their products [14:16] eviljames: lustre is one example [14:18] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [14:19] deximat (~deximat@79.101.236.168) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:20] ananke: Re-closing the source, you mean? [14:20] yes [14:21] Was lustre released GPL, dual-license, CDDL .. ? [14:21] troy (~troy@dyn129-100-180-155.wireless.uwo.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:22] not sure [14:22] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:23] ananke: Looks like it's GPL.. at least according to wikipedia. [14:23] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [14:23] to calculate bw speed required on a daily basis for a rough estimate $data_size / $business_hours -> $val / $minutes -> $val / seconds = X mpbs [14:23] ? [14:24] i honestly don't think you can model demand to any reasonable degree [14:24] i tend to scale things so that it doesn't exceed 60% utilization during peak useage [14:24] xsamurai: Responsible calculation or optimal? Just get the max that you are budgeted for. [14:25] eviljames: responsible [14:25] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.39.97) joined ##slackware. [14:25] of course i'll triple the total [14:25] xsamurai: Then Skywise's statement is correct. Find your maximum usage, tack on 30% more. [14:25] for peak times [14:26] BrokenCog_ (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) joined ##slackware. [14:26] but demand is such a flexible thing, for instance if you have alot repetitive web request, changing to a caching or proxy server configuration can be better then bigger iron [14:26] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:26] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-fmfqrywwetlezhpw) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:26] Indeed. [14:26] Blocking facebook & youtube also drop demand offa cliff. [14:27] Nobody's using that fibre you have installed for actual work, you know. [14:27] lol [14:29] I dont like caching my porno website images [14:29] customers complain lack of freshness [14:29] eviljames: Actually, I would be using it for actual work. :-) [14:30] You're a statistcal outlier. An anomaly. [14:30] (and that's being generous!) :P [14:30] ovnicraft (1000@186.68.250.207) joined ##slackware. [14:30] That may be the ugliest thing anyone has ever said to me! :-) [14:31] eviljames: Catching nothing is just as bad.. [14:31] I'm not a catcher, I'm a pitcher.. [14:31] err.. [14:31] belly itcher [14:31] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:32] Wouldn't the bitcher be the belly scratcher on those reach arounds? [14:32] pitcher [14:33] i think it depends on if its NL or AL [14:33] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [14:33] i dont know what kind of pitchers you have down south [14:33] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [14:33] beer [14:33] G-Farkas (~graciela@201.255.105.16) joined ##slackware. [14:34] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [14:35] mac- (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:36] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [14:36] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.174.220.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:38] Hi, I'm thinking on install Slackware 13. I found this link " http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0 " so I decided check out disponible apps for slackware. I noticed that some apps like "gfortran" isn't there. Is there other way to search for it for slackware or simply it isn't available? [14:38] G-Farkas: Anything that is already in Slackware will not be on Slackbuilds.org [14:39] ANd 13.1 will be released very soon [14:39] There used to be a package browser, but it's gone right noe [14:39] now, rather [14:40] eviljames, So, it is like an extra repository, right? Can I install slackware with only with the base system? [14:40] nvision_ (~nvision@e179137116.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:40] NaCl, But surelly Ill can update the system right? [14:40] SlackerD (~kvirc@pool-72-82-100-37.nrflva.btas.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net [14:40] nvision_ (~nvision@e179138026.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:41] G-Farkas: yes you can install only base [14:41] G-Farkas: Slackware doesn't use repositories and the like such as you may be familiar with from other distros, and there is no "base" install. [14:41] G-Farkas: yeah, you could, but it is better to do clean installsl (IMO) [14:41] slackbuilds provides support for 3rd party packages that are not part of slackware [14:41] I need guru advice! Im trying to run sabnzbd for grabbing binaries. the problem im having is when I run sabnzbd as user, the program downloads the requested file, then cannot save it and deletes what it just downloaded. when I run the program as root, it downloads the file and saves it to the /root directory. how can I run this program as a user and get the files to save? [14:42] G-Farkas: Slackbuilds.org is something closer to BSD ports than a Fedora, Debian, or CentOS repository. [14:42] Alan_Hicks, How it is? Can I do a minimal install or something like that? [14:42] Alan_Hicks: False. There is a "base" install. It's called "Slackware". [14:42] BrokenCog_ (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:42] Alan_Hicks, eviljames, I get it :) [14:42] eviljames: semantics (symantecs?) [14:42] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) joined ##slackware. [14:42] G-Farkas: you don't want a minimal install. You want everything (with the exception of perhaps KDE/KDEI). [14:42] or E [14:43] and do *not* *ever* skip y/ -_- [14:43] Oh, that package set still exists? Why? [14:43] if you don't want emacs [14:43] G-Farkas: You can do a minimal install that is incredibly minimal, little more than a kernel and bash if that's what you wanted to do. [14:43] SlackerD (~kvirc@pool-72-82-100-37.nrflva.btas.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:43] would render the whole system useless ;-) [14:43] eviljames: typical bloated slackware advice [14:43] eviljames: That package set exists to make it easy to exclude emacs from an install. [14:43] bloat that is not running is not really bloat [14:43] xsamurai: typical "make sure people's systems aren't broken from the minute they turned them on, saving them from themselves" advice. [14:43] G-Farkas: if you have the time to read through all the pkgs provided and know whats needed to get your system running then you can get it as minimal as possible [14:44] adrien: Life just isn't the same without fortune :/ [14:44] and btw, the description for the "kde" set says it contains Qt [14:44] Simply not having emacs in Slackware wouldn't suit the same purpose, because you don't get that wonderful feeling of superiority when you slam down on the space bar and deselect emacs. [14:44] eviljames: I can't live with a fortune per minute ;-) [14:44] Alan_Hicks: hah! truth. [14:44] I looks very different... There is a good package system? I don't want compille anything [14:44] Alan_Hicks: exactely ;p [14:44] G-Farkas: glhf [14:44] it* [14:44] *nothing*? [14:44] For maximum effect, use a noisy Model M. [14:44] ADRIEN! [14:45] Action: NaCl uses emacs [14:45] Action: NaCl runs [14:45] and slackbuilds.org compiles but it's not ./configure && make && make install, it's completely automated and clean [14:45] KCl, what?¿ [14:45] *Kar-KOW!* Goodbye you piece of shit emacs! Don't need you! [14:45] G-Farkas: its not gentoo either, almost everything you'll need is precompiled [14:45] SlackerD: hmmm, do I know you? [14:45] "almost" [14:45] vim ftw [14:45] nope [14:45] eviljames: i bet you use emacs ? [14:45] Just a rocky reference. [14:45] alkos333 (~alkos333@68-30-86-5.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [14:45] There is nothing wrong with emacs [14:45] heh ;-) [14:46] Can someone tell me the new kernal version? I want be sure that my wifi card is supported :D [14:46] (IMHO) [14:46] does a cow need tits on its back ? [14:46] xsamurai: I use notepad.exe that ships with Wine. [14:46] Nothing else willd o. [14:46] haha [14:46] There is nothing wrong with emacs<---No, just all the FSF propaganda. [14:46] ever heard of ed ? [14:46] what about cat? [14:46] mr ed? the horse? [14:46] i see gnu, i hurl [14:46] I just flit the bits in my hard drives manually -_- [14:46] ed the editor of course [14:46] G-Farkas: Anything that is included with Slackware is pre-compiled. The build scripts at places like slackbuilds.org are not pre-compiled packages, but all the heavy lifting is already done for you. [14:46] SlackerD: FSF != emacs [14:46] ed the editor of horse [14:46] k, bbl [14:47] whatever pico can't do, i don't need [14:47] no shit, NaCI [14:47] Action: NaCl shrugs [14:47] pico..... [14:47] I'm sorry, but I can't respect a text editor that wears its man page on the bottom two lines of the terminal. [14:48] pico, its twice as good as edlin [14:48] Skywise: HAHAHA [14:48] SlackerD: I got tired of gvim [14:48] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: Bye [14:48] And what about RAM usage? I heard that is too low... Is one of the reason for what i want to try it. I wish to use as few ram as it is posible :D Not more than 16Mb after system boot. [14:48] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [14:48] That's a bit OCD (imo) [14:49] G-Farkas: 16MB of RAM usage after boot?! [14:49] G-Farkas: How much RAM does your box have? [14:49] I can see that, NaCI [14:49] I use mousepad. [14:49] Alan_Hicks, yes, without X... [14:49] or kwrite [14:49] SlackerD: tab-complete is your friend. [14:49] G-Farkas: You do realize that the kernel itself pushes 16MB, right? [14:49] Alan_Hicks, 1GB - whatintegratedvideocarduse [14:49] tab-complete is for the weak [14:49] G-Farkas: Then don't worry about RAM usage. [14:50] Unless you're running a server or do some serious graphical shit on your desktop, 1 GB is more than enough. [14:50] SlackerD: then the last character in my nick is an 'l', not an 'I' [14:50] sounds like he wants to run it on a vm [14:50] SlackerD, Well, tab complete would have realized that the end letter in NaCl is l, not I. ;) [14:50] NaCl, :P beat me. :) [14:50] :P [14:50] Alan_Hicks, We all knows that we don't want us system to be productive ;-) [14:50] ? [14:51] G-Farkas: huh? [14:51] I want use few ram just for play with the system [14:52] then install slackware, and fiddle with the kernel and init scripts [14:52] let the system worry about your memory [14:52] I never use more than the 50% of my memory, is just that... [14:53] oz__ (~zoo@212.183.140.55) joined ##slackware. [14:53] The moment I start KDE, I lose about 500 MB. :P [14:53] G-Farkas: The only way you'll boot a modern linux kernel and have anything usuable with less than 16MB of RAM used is to custom compile a highly minimalist, damn near useless system. [14:53] Well, but I asume that slack won't use more memory than debian right? [14:53] Bugz__ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:53] Not necessarily [14:53] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:54] killahsmurf (~killahsmu@c-68-46-126-173.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:54] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:54] afternoon all [14:54] Alan_Hicks, I got debian start with 19MB :-) [14:55] And ubuntu with 120MB :s [14:55] limiting RAM usage is only really necessary when the RAM usage is high [14:55] G-Farkas: ubuntu starts into X [14:56] NaCl, I know, and can't no change it... Even so, debian use less ram (in my system) [14:56] Yes, you can. [14:56] Action: NaCl ignores the double negative [14:56] G-Farkas: the init system in ubuntu is different than the others [14:57] Has anyone tried porting upstart to slack? [14:57] not i [14:57] and is anyone familiar with running exaile on slack? [14:57] someone would need to want it first [14:57] NaCl, sorry, Im not english speaker. I tried but ... [14:57] Don't worry about it. They just bother me. :P [14:57] NaCl, Wich is the slackware 13 kernel version ? [14:58] 2.6.29.something [14:58] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-48-248.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [14:59] Thanks [14:59] 13.1 will have 2.6.33.4 [14:59] 2.6.29.6 is 13.0 [14:59] i received this error when trying to run exaile. but im not exactly sure what it means... [14:59] ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/gst-0.10/gst/_gst.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 [14:59] killahsmurf: you installed a 32-bit class onto a 64-bit system [14:59] s/class/library [14:59] of gst? [15:00] apparently [15:00] hrmm [15:00] ill have to dig into that [15:00] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.174.220.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:01] jimi (~jimi@danix.eaerich.com) left irc: Quit: Yo ho ho it's time to go! [15:01] deco (deco@unaffiliated/deco) left ##slackware. [15:01] v4nelle (~van@79.107.202.55) left irc: Quit: http://v4nelle.dyndns.org [15:01] [ installed ] - gstreamer-0.10.29-x86_64-1 [15:01] 0_o [15:01] wich is the iso image for slackware 32 bit for doing a minimal install? ftp://ftp.slackware-brasil.com.br/slackware-13.0/ [15:02] killahsmurf: there's some library problem somewhere [15:03] 64-bit libs should not be in /usr/lib [15:03] oh? [15:03] 64-bit stuff should be in /usr/lib64 [15:03] at least in slackware64 [15:04] you *are* running slackware64, right? [15:04] very true [15:04] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:04] nooneelse (~brunodeol@unaffiliated/nooneelse) joined ##slackware. [15:05] killahsmurf: check how you build the python gst bindings [15:05] Action: NaCl vanishes [15:06] ima just reinstall, i kinda have to do it anyway [15:07] start from scratch...brb [15:07] thanks for the tips though NaCl :) [15:07] killahsmurf: 13.1 is coming soon [15:07] fyi [15:08] hrmmm [15:08] meh, ill cross that bridge when i get there :P [15:08] whatever works [15:08] seriously though, thanks again [15:08] not a problem [15:08] killahsmurf (~killahsmu@c-68-46-126-173.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:09] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-tqztzjcmllqpsafb) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:09] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-paevnlogcfaneixn) joined ##slackware. [15:10] Mmm, excuse my stupid question, but I can't find the link to the iso image for 32 bits :S Can someone give me it :s [15:10] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:10] alkos333 (~alkos333@68-30-86-5.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:11] G-Farkas: mmm I never found it officially [15:11] download via torrent [15:11] you need to look at the getslack link on the page, its by default 32bit [15:11] so anything thats not 64, is 32 [15:12] Skywise, I know, but where i follow it i dont see the image [15:12] try another mirror [15:12] metrofox, I wish to try to find it :S [15:12] Skywise, i looked 3 or 4 [15:13] The full version of Slackware Linux 13.0 is available for download from [15:13] the central Slackware FTP sites hosted by our friends at www.cwo.com [15:13] and osuosl.org: [15:13] Channel flood from G-Farkas -- kicking [15:13] ftp://slackware.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/ [15:13] G-Farkas kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [15:13] G-Farkas (~graciela@201.255.105.16) joined ##slackware. [15:13] sorry [15:13] yeah, don't do large pastes [15:13] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [15:13] G-Farkas: lol, you've been kicked for flood ;-) [15:13] anyway, theres plenty of mirrors [15:13] metrofox, ¬¬ [15:13] Skywise, but no one have it :S [15:14] sure they do, its just the regular slackware iso [15:14] actually I never found one [15:14] now not every mirror carries the iso because they're large [15:15] but I wasn't interested, I just downloaded the torrent [15:15] well if i go right now and find one, what will that say [15:15] G-Farkas: ftp://ftp.slackware-brasil.com.br/slackware-13.0-iso/ [15:15] Action: NaCl would wait until 13.1 [15:15] wow! It was true!! thanks xsamurai [15:15] yeah i agree [15:15] G-Farkas: btw, I'd suggest you to wait for slackware-13.1 [15:15] G-Farkas: you are in brazil ? [15:16] lol... three similar comments [15:16] When will it be released? [15:16] v4nelle (~van@79.107.202.55) joined ##slackware. [15:16] When it's ready [15:16] when its ready [15:16] xsamurai, No, In argentine [15:16] soon [15:16] rc2 is out [15:16] G-Farkas: get 13 and update to current no need to wait [15:16] Skywise: when its ready. [15:16] get -current straight up. [15:16] yeah, that's another valid solution [15:17] unless you're new to slackware, in which case get 13.0 and dont try -current [15:17] lol [15:17] v4nelle (~van@79.107.202.55) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:17] OR... wait for 13.1 ;-) [15:17] Is there a more light image? [15:17] I can't wait! [15:17] lol [15:18] slackware is slackware, take it or leave it. [15:18] G-Farkas: you can make a custom cd [15:18] How is it xsamurai ? [15:18] you can download just the packages you need [15:18] G-Farkas: search google for "custom slackware cd" [15:18] theres a, ap, and n for the basics [15:18] he can't wait, slackware is worse than drugs :D [15:18] YES SR! [15:18] Skywise: uhhhhhhhhhhhh he might kinda need l [15:18] f,k,l are also good if you're gonna compile things [15:19] yeah I know how you're feeling now, I said the same when slackware-13.0 had to be released [15:19] and I couldn't really sleep [15:19] metrofox, No.. Is just that I'll have few days without university and I prefer do it now [15:19] yeah, carpe diem... [15:19] what you can do now is surface test your disks [15:19] v4nelle (~van@79.107.202.55) joined ##slackware. [15:20] xsamurai, "1). You will need a working Slackware setup." [15:21] G-Farkas: no [15:21] G-Farkas: remember not everybody on the internet knows what they are talking about [15:22] yeah [15:22] what?!! [15:22] xsamurai, Of course we do ;-) [15:22] I dont [15:22] i thought only experts were on the innernets [15:22] xsamurai, Link? [15:23] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:23] only experts are on the innernets. But ther internet has plenty of dumb-asses. [15:24] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-108-90-137.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [15:25] yeah experts are dumb-asses [15:26] :| [15:26] Action: xsamurai erases expert from his title [15:26] G-Farkas: heres an old link ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-9.1/isolinux/README.TXT [15:26] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:27] let me see [15:27] jonsmith1982 (~jon@2.99.78.207) joined ##slackware. [15:29] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:29] xsamurai, I can execute this command from my ubuntu terminal? [15:29] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:30] O!!! I confessed!! Well, is the ubuntu of a friend of a friend of mine ;-) [15:30] zErOaCid (debian@71-80-209-34.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) left irc: Changing host [15:30] zErOaCid (debian@unaffiliated/zErOaCid) joined ##slackware. [15:30] G-Farkas: part of moving to slackware is learning and trying things on your own, try it first if it doesnt work and you have exhausted online searching as well, then ask [15:31] :( [15:31] you'll need the mkisofs binary [15:31] theres not much point in us typing whats already written down [15:31] apt-get install mkisofs and go from there [15:31] apt-get install Clue [15:32] apt-get purge pants [15:32] Alan_Hicks: they want you to use aptitude these days ;-) [15:32] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-paevnlogcfaneixn) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:32] one package manager is not enough [15:33] i use ubuntu software center [15:33] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-qouqxjvqxtblphkb) joined ##slackware. [15:33] marchhare (~marchhare@cpe-184-59-28-192.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:34] i use ubuntu software center<---fail [15:34] sahko: you've shamed us all [15:34] Action: xsamurai points to cliff [15:34] hey how many chances i have to break my system by upgrading to current? [15:34] Action: xsamurai points to bridge [15:34] Action: xsamurai points to fire|bird [15:34] Current is quite stable at the moment. [15:34] so not much [15:35] assuming one reads UPGRADE.TXT [15:35] what's best using slackpkg or manually upgradepkg all files ? [15:35] However, don't take my word for it. [15:35] best bet is using mirror-slackware.sh [15:35] *mirror-slackware-current.sh [15:35] xsamurai, sure, blame the bird. :P [15:36] AlienBob has it on his site. [15:36] It will make Iso's for you. [15:36] However, slackpkg will work. [15:36] fire|bird: you missed the convo, you were suppose to be his way out of this life and into the next =) [15:36] For me, it takes much longer to upgrade with slackpkg. [15:37] It's now two isos instead of three. :D [15:37] It takes awhile to sync with the tree, though. [15:37] It's about 2gb download. [15:38] Well dont matter, Ill download the entire cd [15:38] tree [15:38] It downloads the whole current tree. [15:39] SlackerD: making the iso is a bit overkill when i could just download the package file [15:40] tusk: use slackpkg , it works fine [15:40] oki doki [15:40] Good bye and thanks [15:40] what is the command to not create the homedir of user when "adduser"ing ? [15:40] hope it won't break all my hand compiled packages ^^ [15:40] Ill wait for the download :) [15:40] sorry I mean, the parameter [15:40] nooneelse: adduser is interactive. theres no switch. it asks you [15:41] Oohhh, one thing more!!! It install a grub version that recognize my ubuntu system (in an ext4 partition) ? [15:41] sahko and useradd [15:41] just exec adduser [15:41] nooneelse: you asked about adduser [15:41] sahko I know sorry [15:41] sahko let me ask again [15:41] man adduser [15:41] tusk: the png upgrade very well might break your packages [15:41] there is no manpage for adduser [15:42] there is for useradd [15:42] http://linux.die.net/man/8/adduser [15:42] ovnicraft (1000@186.68.250.207) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:42] chess: mmmmh ok i'll check that [15:42] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-48-248.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [15:43] xsamurai this is an alias to useradd [15:43] but thanks anyway [15:43] tusk: and you are going to read UPGRADE.TXT and CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT too, right? [15:43] G-Farkas (~graciela@201.255.105.16) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [15:43] how can I make a program run with write permission? [15:44] already read changes_and_hints.txt [15:44] nothing much interesting :) [15:44] for me at least ^^ [15:44] gonna read upgrade while i DD my / part [15:44] :) [15:44] rab13s: elaborate a little more [15:44] rab13s: do you mean execute permissions ? [15:45] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-108-90-137.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:45] rab13s: read slackbook.org chapter 9.2 [15:45] 9 in general [15:46] nooneelse2 (~brunodeol@201.90.155.112) joined ##slackware. [15:46] nooneelse (~brunodeol@unaffiliated/nooneelse) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:48] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:49] what are people using to suspend to disk on 13? uswsusp? good recent article on suspend to disk for slackware? suspend to ram is working fine. [15:50] pm-utils [15:50] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:51] cool i'll look [15:51] its in Slackware, in ap/ [15:54] xsamurai: no word about slackpkg in the Upgrade.txt [15:54] normal? [15:55] locate pm-utils [15:55] haha [15:56] mac- (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:01] xsamurai: sory it took me so long to respond, the program im running writes to the user directory that the program is started from, but when I try to run as a any non root user , none of the files are stored [16:01] xsamurai: so if the program is run as root files get stored in /root [16:02] what program? [16:02] if its run as nonroot the folder structer is buil /home/nonroot/.program but no files will be created [16:02] sabnzbd [16:03] did you make a slackbuild for it? [16:04] sahko: no i havent, ill brb i gotta move my car [16:04] ie. install it as a package [16:04] Andersffs (~Shitbag@217.175.122.46) joined ##slackware. [16:07] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:08] sahko: your saying I need to make a slackbuild inorder for it to function properly? [16:09] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:10] no i am not saying that [16:11] rab13s: I am using sabnzbd, no such problems [16:11] shalkie (shalkie@166-70-208-58.ip.xmission.com) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.2.6"). [16:12] I built and uploaded packages for all its dependencies, but not for sabnzbd (well, I have a package but that's not distributed) [16:12] it works fine here too [16:12] Yeah [16:13] However I configured a specific path to use, not in my $HOME [16:13] same here [16:13] messy downloading loads of gigs in your home [16:13] do you run as root or non root [16:13] non root [16:13] it's not supposed to run a sroot [16:14] this is weird yea i figured i probably shouldnt [16:14] if I run as rab13s it downloads the files, then deletes them [16:14] Of course it should not run as root. [16:15] Heh [16:16] Sab usualy returns an error saying my retention is bad, but its not. [16:17] Lexus45 (~alexey@95.129.162.218) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:17] ERROR: Disk error on creating file [16:17] and it fails making directorys, and renaming files [16:18] Action: tusk is downloading slackware64-current [16:19] alienBOB: when I run as a user I do get _yenc module... NOT FOUND! 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[16:24] awesome thanks [16:25] i have bluez configured, but i need desktop instrument to use the phone [16:25] like, will slackware see the bundle file and be able to install it ? [16:26] asamoah (~caio@wiltel.wilnet.com.ar) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:27] What's a .bundle file? :-) [16:28] a self-extracting installation file [16:28] incognitus: Slackware 13.1 will have blueman [16:29] MythX, As long as it's marked executable, I can't imagine anything in Slackware would prevent from you installing it. [16:29] that's nice. but what to do in 13.0? [16:29] Upgrade to 13.1 [16:29] can i use that one from current [16:29] No [16:29] ok, ill try it out now ^^ [16:29] You can compile it for 13.0 yourself [16:29] can i compile it for 13, about dependacies? [16:30] a, ok. thanks [16:30] i wathed blueman, but i readed it want somthings that i dont have [16:30] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:32] aw nope [16:33] MythX (~mythx@fl-67-232-248-83.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:33] patrickcage (~patrickca@host86-147-40-127.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [16:35] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Read error: No route to host [16:35] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@188.140.114.51) joined ##slackware. [16:36] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: Bye [16:36] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host81-153-238-150.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:37] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-426411.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:41] BrokenCog (~Daniel@125.213.207.141) joined ##slackware. [16:42] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [16:43] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. 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You feel bad for the guy because he's by himself, you want to talk to him but he might end up stalking you or giving you ops in his #nomorebananaland channel , makes you wonder what he's doing in there all by himself. [17:02] nope, only you. [17:02] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [17:02] you're telling me you never type #slutware ? [17:03] xsamurai: not recently [17:03] for python, i always end up typing pythong , had to setup an alias [17:04] jewbacca: would you mind changing your nick, i find it deeply offensive [17:04] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-157.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:04] dustybin: i've already had this discussion with you... [17:04] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [17:04] :D [17:04] Nick change: xsamurai -> ipfreely [17:04] dustybin: and i'll restate it, if you can't deal with a hairy jew(a jewbacca) going by this nick, go fuck yourself [17:05] ipfreely: sl much? [17:05] :o [17:05] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [17:05] dustybin: don't take offense so easily. "jew" and "chew" rhyme. [17:05] :D [17:06] or ju in Puerto rico [17:07] shonudo (user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [17:09] Nick change: ipfreely -> xsamurai [17:10] Zosma (jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:10] SpacePlod (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-nrxtgltffwhkxppa) left ##slackware. [17:11] CelestialWurm1 (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [17:12] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [17:13] wow google open sourced vp8 [17:15] old news :) [17:16] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@187.114.194.243) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:16] url? [17:16] yeah, just read alienBOB 's blog post. as i an in the middle to switch back to XFCE i dont have a working rss reader [17:16] http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/google-open-sources-vp8-codec/ [17:16] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:16] CelestialWurm1 (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:17] heh was hoping for something more official :) [17:17] http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2010/05/google-opens-vp8-codec-aims-to-nuke-h264-with-webm.ars [17:17] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [17:17] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-qouqxjvqxtblphkb) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:17] r_linux (~r_linux@189.38.220.35) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:18] i dont know if this^ has an official link [17:18] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-mxkmnnoyfjrouvlh) joined ##slackware. [17:19] just saw a VP8/h264 image video comparison this afternoon [17:20] VP8 doesn't look that amazing compared to h264 [17:20] adobe is gonna end up like SCO [17:21] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [17:21] Andersffs (~Shitbag@217.175.122.46) joined ##slackware. [17:23] mozilla and opera have supported google. [17:24] i think youtube+firefox+opera beats IE+safar [17:24] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:24] if i reminds correctly chrome + firefox is 35% market share [17:24] and IE is not even picking sides, it'll support vp8 for users with the codec [17:24] chrome is negligible [17:25] no more negligible [17:25] http://www.webmproject.org/ [17:25] they have nightly builds of firefox with webm ready to test at youtube [17:26] on html5 [17:26] mancha: it beats opera and safari [17:26] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@ppp-69-215-51-3.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:26] silently eating up ffx [17:26] has youtube re-encoded their vids to vp8? [17:27] mancha: no, html5, i think... [17:27] html5 is not a video encoding [17:27] mancha: no, but i think they are encoded mp4 [17:27] ok i am confused here [17:28] mancha: constant state for me [17:28] you can test what exactly about ff's vp8 inclusion on youtube? a subset of vids re-encoded to vp8? [17:28] yes [17:28] read the link [17:28] piccardTE20 (~j@56.Red-88-8-141.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [17:31] mancha: http://zencoder.com/encoder-blog/2010/05/19/vp8-webm-and-html5-video/ [17:31] reading now. this is great news. i knew it was coming just happy it's here. [17:31] mancha: in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_LvQkHj2X4 [17:32] flash has to die a painful death, knowdamean? [17:32] yep bye bye adoodee [17:32] they might hang on with some shockwave games, hopefully that'll die too though! [17:33] osol might pick up flash though [17:33] and while we're at it...adobe, how bout a pdf reader (that's right all you gotta do is READ) that a) isn't more than 65MB and b) doesn't r00t your ass [17:33] they're planning on incorporating ad support [17:33] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [17:33] seriously flash isn't just internet videos [17:34] i can only imagine...its annoying enough [17:34] my guess we won't live without flash before long [17:34] you mean we will [17:34] tusk yeah i don't grok the sentence [17:34] patrickcage (~patrickca@host86-147-40-127.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:35] let's rephrase [17:35] :D [17:35] flash will stay with us for a long time [17:35] i still get mad about pdf's [17:35] tusk, i doubt it... [17:35] you can keep your "bye bye adobe" i think [17:35] hahaha [17:36] its adoodoo [17:36] and no flash isnt going to last [17:36] mancha: as said, flash isn't just for videos [17:36] what we use in the market is based upon financial support [17:36] and when enough of the big players are behind something its likely going to happen [17:36] that's why it'll stay quite a while [17:36] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] take the blueray / hd-dvd wars [17:36] beta / vhs [17:36] xsamurai: you're talking about VP8 [17:37] underwear / leaves [17:37] this has nothing to do in comparison with flash [17:37] VP8 is just a video codec, and flash has nothing to do with video codec [17:37] tusk: youtube is deciding the factor or was and they are slowly changing all of their videos over [17:37] jonsmith1982 (~jon@2.99.78.207) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:37] and? [17:38] i rest my case johnson [17:38] xsamurai: blueray vs. hddvd is like beta vs. vhs except nobody gives a shit. [17:38] eviljames: money gave a shit [17:38] sony paid a lot to turn the market [17:38] Money was wasted for all of these 'format wars' [17:39] yeah true [17:39] xsamurai: they have mp4 videos displayed trough flash player and they change to VP8 + html5 [17:39] oz__ (~zoo@212.183.140.55) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:39] Just like adobe and apple are pouring money all over their latest one, only to be usurped by VP8. Provided that what GOOG says about it is true, those two companies will have thrown a lot of good money after bad [17:39] again flash purpose isn't doing only video player interfaces [17:40] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:40] eviljames: yep [17:40] tusk: Flash is horrific for anything else. Equivalent games can be currently produced with javascript & canvas. [17:40] flash is for making horrible interfaces and wasting cpu time on frivolous bullshit and ads. [17:40] Andersffs (~Shitbag@217.175.122.46) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:41] FlashBlock is, by far, the greatest plugin for FF [17:41] eviljames: i didn't say it wasn't horrific [17:41] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-140-79.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:41] Action: ut won't use a browser that can't whitelist flash [17:41] tusk: No, but it isn't actually useful for anything else. [17:41] tusk: lets use rps to decide [17:42] tusk no one is listening to yoU! [17:42] flash is gonna die, capische? :) [17:42] mancha: he's an adobe agent [17:42] i just don't see major website full flashed migrated to "put here what you want" just because google freeing VP8 [17:42] yep, i think he's a bot placed here by adobe... [17:42] mancha: yeah i don't care talking alone :) [17:42] flash websites suck ass , lates 90's crap [17:42] tusk: no, they'll do that because of iphones [17:43] i avoid flash sites [17:43] yep [17:43] if your a we admin who uses full flash on your site you're prolly wondering why the weblogs show 4 visitors and 3 of those have your IP on them [17:43] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:43] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) joined ##slackware. [17:43] mancha: i do either, but let's face reality we're not a big part of the market share [17:43] you're a web admin * [17:44] tusk: I can't imagine anyone who actually vists websites made in flash. [17:44] tons of millions everyday [17:44] hahaha [17:44] i disagree [17:44] Name 3 useful websites made entirely in flash. [17:44] like nah i don't find them usefull anyway [17:44] at most people go to sites where adverts are in flash, but that is why flashblockor noscript rock, who wants to see neon adverts [17:45] eviljames: have you ever used this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHc8Ix81oco [17:45] those "internet speed" sites are usually flash! fuckers... [17:45] thats flash right there [17:46] xsamurai: youtube, you mean? [17:46] mancha: and ? [17:46] and? [17:46] mancha: whats wrong with internet speed sites using flash ? [17:47] i don't like flash [17:47] cant get it to work ? [17:47] ok, lets start this disccussion over again [17:47] flash sucks and needs to die [17:47] your turn [17:47] agreed [17:47] i've got a pitchfork, can i help? [17:47] eviljames: that naked chick is a flash exe [17:47] now we just need torches [17:48] ut, is it rusty!! (props for tetanus) [17:48] around the edges, a bit [17:48] mancha: what i was trying to get at is, if you have trouble with flash navigation like at speedtest.net , you can usually click the right mouse button where you want to click and then click the left mouse button to enable the action [17:49] *yawn* [17:49] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:49] i wonder if ie will play nicely with html5 [17:49] x303 (~X303@97.102.28.28) joined ##slackware. [17:50] html5 is a standard [17:50] you dont know microsoft [17:50] even with css, you need hacks [17:50] annoys the crapola out of programmers [17:51] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-mxkmnnoyfjrouvlh) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:51] i think with MS losing market share it is no longer in a position to say "fuck off" as it did in the past... 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[18:09] kethry (~kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) got netsplit. [18:09] jaskorpe_ (jaskorpe@knuth.ping.uio.no) got netsplit. [18:09] Nick change: kethry_ -> kethry [18:09] Possible future nick collision: kethry [18:09] mamma mia! [18:10] johndee (~id@95-29-177-30.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [18:10] Suhana (~vash@host81-158-117-21.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) returned to ##slackware. [18:10] Fleurety (~fleurety@93.186.164.51) returned to ##slackware. [18:10] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [18:11] isnt it really pathetic when people talk about what happens in a tv series when they get together? [18:11] rogersman (~gr235423@nat/sun/x-ghpysasgdmhpbzaz) joined ##slackware. [18:11] The-Croupier (~the-croup@76.212.169.71) joined ##slackware. [18:12] macman_ (~macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [18:12] can you enable copy and paste with the mouse at a terminal screen ? im not in X atm [18:12] rachael (~rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) returned to ##slackware. [18:12] so what happens if you screw up making your initrd? boot off the dvd to repair? [18:15] x3r0x (x3r0x@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) got lost in the net-split. [18:15] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) got lost in the net-split. [18:15] zarock (~zarock@gwarestrin.adm.toile-libre.net) got lost in the net-split. [18:15] feinom (~feinom@svale.hia.no) got lost in the net-split. [18:15] BadAtom (~epigramma@supporter/active/BadAtom) got lost in the net-split. [18:15] pgeek|| (pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) got lost in the net-split. [18:15] jaskorpe_ (jaskorpe@knuth.ping.uio.no) got lost in the net-split. [18:15] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.27.132) got lost in the net-split. [18:15] fjunis_ (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) got lost in the net-split. [18:15] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-57-156.dynamic.qsc.de) got lost in the net-split. [18:15] pgeek|| (pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) joined ##slackware. [18:15] x303 (X303@97.102.28.28) left ##slackware. [18:15] sahko, it's a time passer...ppl talk about a whole bunch of more stupid stuff: weather, etc... [18:15] macman_: yes with gpm, you could/might have enabled that during install [18:16] "People always talk about weatheeeer..." (c) Yonderboi [18:16] %) [18:16] the weather isnt anywhere near silly, eg. oh theres a hurricane coming our way tomorrow [18:16] that affects all peoples lives [18:17] macman_ (~macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:17] and whether Dr McDreamy gets back together with Gray, isn't?? [18:18] i dont know who these imaginary people are [18:18] oh gray's anatomy, figures [18:18] if it's worth watching it's worth talking about [18:19] nothing on tv is worth watching [18:19] how often do you get together with friends, say once a week? oh yeah lets talk about lost. our imaginary friends [18:19] i can feel my brain cells dying when i watch tv [18:19] and i dont have many left =( [18:19] Action: ut gives xsamurai a cookie [18:20] ut: how'd you know peanut butter oatmeal is my favorite [18:21] "i lose more brain cells daily than you've ever had" [18:21] heh [18:21] mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.33.4-smp -m ext4 -f ext4 -r /dev/sda1 -h /dev/sda2 -o /boot/initrd-26334smp.gz [18:22] hows that look? [18:22] i need to mkinitrd for suspend to disk [18:22] you do not [18:22] ? [18:22] Action: ut just does mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.33.2 -m ext4 -f ext4 -r /dev/sda4 [18:22] you can suspend to disk without an initrd [18:22] ut: can I haz a cooke too? [18:23] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:23] adrien: xsamurai got his for hitting the ball that i placed on the T [18:24] maybe adrien can hit some other balls ? [18:24] if he likes peanut butter and oatmeal. [18:25] ='( [18:25] I'm simply going to go to bed ;-) [18:25] blaines (~blaines@75-171-72-110.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:25] g'night [18:25] #echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep ;-) [18:25] ArTourter (~artourter@78-86-203-211.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:26] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [18:27] G-Farkas (~graciela@201.255.105.16) joined ##slackware. [18:27] xsamurai (~jamonyou@69.43.199.101) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:29] adaptr (~adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) left irc: Changing host [18:29] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) joined ##slackware. [18:30] jgeboski (james@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. [18:30] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[19:03] adaptr, nope - better ask chess about it [19:05] in here ? [19:05] yeah, or #sbopkg [19:05] oh didn't know there was one :) [19:06] clear [19:06] doh. [19:06] lol [19:06] this may be off topic but anyone in here run pure-ftpd [19:09] or more specifically perhaps, anyone know how i can set up an ssl certificate for my ftp daemon? [19:09] i tried copying my real ssl cert (the paid one i use for my https) but it doesn't seem to be working out [19:09] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [19:10] ezrafree it might be a formatting issue. should work though [19:10] i've never used pure-ftpd though [19:11] hmm yeah perhaps, i created the file in vim though [19:11] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [19:11] seems there's a manager that has "import a certificate" [19:12] PureFTPd Manager [19:12] this is all taking place on a server with no X [19:12] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [19:12] a remote server, i might add [19:12] it doesn't matter. the point is it IS POSSIBLE [19:12] piccardTE20 (j@56.Red-88-8-141.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left ##slackware. [19:12] if there's a GUI out there that *can* do it, then it *can* be done. qed. [19:12] oh yes, definitely, i used to have it set up until i renewed my last ssl cert [19:13] now i can't seem to create a valid cert using my .crt and .key files like before though, it seems [19:15] nvision_ (~nvision@e179138026.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:15] Kosty (~john@c-98-219-58-113.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:16] rubbaralph (~frank@69.60.202.148) joined ##slackware. [19:16] i appreciate the help though mancha [19:17] talking it out often helps me fix things hehe [19:19] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:25] blaines (~blaines@75-171-72-110.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:26] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:26] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) joined ##slackware. [19:28] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:28] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:28] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [19:28] greetings and salutations [19:28] salutations and greetings [19:33] G-Farkas_ (~graciela@201.255.105.16) joined ##slackware. [19:36] Hi, I'm installing slackware 13.0 . I decided use gparted from other distribution. Which file system can I choose? ¿ext4 is ok? Works with SL 13 ? [19:37] it does. [19:37] ext4 is the default for a 13.0 install [19:37] is there a command to see if an ssl certificate is expired? [19:38] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [19:39] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:40] ut, adaptr, This is choosed if I put "82" in the installation? [19:40] ut, adaptr, Should be no probelm to do it from Ubuntu with gparted right? [19:41] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:41] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) joined ##slackware. [19:42] I'm not sure what you mean about "82" [19:42] if you're partitioning a drive in fdisk, you would have to type that to set it as a swap partition [19:43] G-Farkas_: the partition type has nothing to do with filesystems [19:43] when i edit page on slackwiki,why dont appear my changes? [19:43] it's not completely unrelated -- you don't tend to put an ext4 filesystem on a swap partition, for instance. [19:45] adaptr, ut, do you think that is a good option partitioning with gparted (because I know how to use it) ? [19:45] the partition *type* has nothing to do with *filesystems* [19:45] cfdisk is very simple is you wish to try a tool on the install disc [19:46] s/is/if/2 [19:47] andarius, When I excecuted it, it tell me that i have no write permission, and watching the space I think that I is using the CD, just cfdisk hda1 ? [19:47] Im scared to delete my actual system [19:47] erm. [19:48] are you installing slackware next to an existing os installation? [19:49] ut, Yes, I leave unnasigned space in my disck to create a primary partition for installing slackware [19:50] ah... well, if you're using fdisk or cfdisk, just create a new partition in the empty space and assign it a type '83' -- you'll have to make a filessytem in there after the fact. [19:50] parted might write a filesystem in the partition automatically. i haven't used it often enough to remember. [19:50] Can I use my actual swap partition right? [19:51] you can use the same swap partition for more than one linux installation. you can't install slackware to it. [19:51] at least, not without breaking something [19:51] I understand [19:52] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:53] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: No route to host [19:53] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:54] wotcha BP{k} :) [19:54] I can't use cfdisk, I use my CD as disck :S [19:54] disk* [19:54] blaines (~blaines@ip68-106-24-21.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:54] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [19:55] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:56] i tried cfdisk /dev/hda , It seems like works because if i put anything instead /dev/hda it says err, but still use the cd :S [19:56] wotcha andarius :) [19:56] try `fdisk -l` [19:57] ut, :) , I should choose one of the list? right? [19:57] most disks will be /dev/sd# to the 13 installer [19:58] andarius, yes i have /dev/sdan with n from 1 to 9 [19:58] yeah. you should be able to tell which is which. [19:58] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:58] sinuhe (~sinuhe@ip65-44-231-178.z231-44-65.customer.algx.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:58] G-Farkas_: as ut noted, use fdisk -l to identify the drive you need. some of those will be dummie devs created by default [19:59] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:00] rubbaralph (~frank@69.60.202.148) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:00] andarius, Yes, I think that Is sda9, I hope so [20:00] it'd be sda, not sda9 [20:01] if you are looking to use cfdisk on it listen to ut [20:01] sda9 is a partition on sda. so you'd format sda. [20:01] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [20:02] thanks! here they are. For some reason i show them as ext3 instead ext4 [20:02] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Client Quit [20:03] Should I prefer logical, right? [20:04] instead of primary) [20:05] you only get 4 primaries [20:05] slackytude (~slacky@g227074224.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:05] per drive I mean [20:05] Urchlay, I can choose both, so i should choose logical for having the posibility of choose primary in a future. Shouldnt i? [20:05] so if you plan to have less than 4 partitions, there's no reason to care whether you use primary or logical (except that only primary can be bootable, so you need one of them) [20:06] (or do modern BIOSen actually allow bootable logical partitions now? my information is maybe outta date) [20:06] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [20:08] Urchlay, I have not idea. I never have problem with logical partitions in linux [20:09] do whatever works for you [20:09] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-68.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [20:09] Urchlay: EFI supports pretty much anything, but MBR does not support that, and never will [20:09] adaptr: I thought not [20:09] i think i've booted to a logical partition before. am [20:10] though it wouldn't really have taken much extra code in the BIOS to allow it, if someone had had the idea to do it 15-20 years ago [20:10] am i remembering it wrong, or is it possible if you've got the bootloader elsewhere? [20:10] ut: the bootloader is always elsewhere - it can only be in one place [20:11] there i go, saying things that don't make sense. [20:11] Must I set as "bootable" my / ? [20:11] Urchlay: it would only have become possible with native LBA support in the BIOS, which isn't quite that old [20:11] G-Farkas_: yes [20:12] blaines (~blaines@ip68-106-24-21.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:13] Done, thanks, Ill go for more :) [20:13] Don't go pls :) [20:14] Action: andarius smacks G-Farkas with the wooden spoon... :P [20:15] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:15] adaptr: clearly i've got some misconceptions about booting. what's the bit about installing lilo to the mbr, vs installing it to a partition? [20:15] I was thinking say "im excited" but now it will sound bad :s [20:15] ut: it's mainly a misconception about the concept of "the" bootloader. [20:15] Action: ut chuckles [20:16] when one is talking about "the" bootloader, you must assume they mean the bits left over from the boot sector that are not taken up by the MBR partition table [20:16] alth9ough in today's terms, that would more properly be called a bootstrapper [20:16] it is used to start the actual bootloader, which can access filesystems, decompress kernels, etc. [20:16] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: memory, we all have it and well want more [20:16] ext4 vs xfs ? [20:17] however, since that 512-X bit of code is VERY limited, the bootloader that follows it must still be on easily-accesible (reas: BIOS INT13) storage [20:17] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:17] this is one reason why grub, for example, constsits not of one or two but THREE boot stages: bootstrap, stage 1.5, and stage2 [20:18] the bootstrap code MUST reside on sector (cylinder) 0, since that is what the BIOS will boot. [20:18] Action: ut has no opinion on filesystems [20:18] stage 1.5 must be accessible by that [20:18] and stage 2 can be anywhere stage 1.5 has access to [20:18] late, I choosed ext4 [20:18] _S4MUR4I_ (~chatzilla@189.23.132.2) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091105041600] [20:19] if your grub code is on a stage1 accessible partition (i.e. a primary MBR partition), then both stages are loaded from there [20:19] if it is on a logical partition, or a filesystem that's not supported by stage 1.5, stage 1.5 must still be on a primary simple partition, but stage2 could be anywhere [20:20] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.34) joined ##slackware. [20:21] ah, shiny. thanks. [20:21] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:21] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:22] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:23] the grub docs should have even more info [20:23] anyone get this error with -current: [20:23] root@qemu1:/etc/rc.d# modprobe nfsd [20:23] fatalnix: Error inserting nfsd (/lib/modules/2.6.33.4-smp/kernel/fs/nfsd/nfsd.ko): [20:23] Channel flood from ang -- kicking [20:23] Invalid module format [20:23] ang kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [20:23] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:24] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:24] ang: nope. I just tried it, it modprobed fine [20:25] I whish to have a very light system. Now I have to select Package Series. They are ok for me because of the disk space used. But, installing all of them will load by default a lot of services, kdm and so..? Or still will be very light and ill have to add manually every service and so... ? [20:25] oh wait, I'm not running 2.6.33.4 on that box [20:25] hmm. i've gotten it on 2 instances of current, one real and one virtual [20:25] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:25] G-Farkas: slackware does not assume to knowwhat you want to run. most are not set to run by default [20:26] G-Farkas_: near the end of the install process, you'll get a menu where you can choose which services you want to run [20:26] Thanks :) [20:26] ang: right. I upgraded to -current on that machine, but kept the kernel as it was since it's a patched realtime kernel. So my results don't help you at all... [20:26] np [20:27] modprobe nfsd works fine for me too, on slackware64-current. [20:27] I suppose I ought to look for -rt patches for 2.6.33.4 now [20:28] generic kernel, i mean [20:28] Urchlay: why not move to 2.6.34 instead ;) [20:29] andarius: eh, I'd probably want to stick with the kernel slackware ships, only with -rt patch applied [20:29] ut: ok, i'm on 32bit tho [20:29] unless .34 has some serious advantage over .33.4 I suppose [20:29] depends on your hardware. one would have to peruse the changelog to find out [20:29] right now it's running 2.6.31.6-rt19-smp and everything's fine [20:29] psYcker (~psYcker@201.164.207.191) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [20:30] all the hardware on that laptop is from 2001 or so, and all of it works that I care about (the internal modem probably never worked, but I never cared about it) [20:30] I use ath9k, so there are normaly a lot of fixes/changes just for that [20:30] yah [20:31] using an ath5k cardbus card there, works fine already [20:31] perhaps, but lots for that one too :) [20:31] it used to only work with madwifi, with slack 12.1's kernel [20:32] honestly, if the wireless gives me any trouble at all, I'll yank it and use the onboard wired nic [20:32] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-68.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:32] since the ath modules are replacing the madwifi I can understand that. they are as I noted, moving along fast these days [20:32] (the laptop is no longer portable, since it hasn't got a battery at all any more) [20:33] maybe I should start calling my "ex-laptop" [20:33] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-68.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [20:34] I have ath5k on this one and it claims the network is down when I try to do iwlist scanning.. it'll connect to networks, though [20:34] the ath modules are more inclined to accept iw commands [20:35] v4nelle (~van@79.107.202.55) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:35] How can I go back in an installation step :| [20:35] ? [20:36] just...do the step over again ? [20:36] adaptr, runing again the installation program? [20:37] no, the installer has distinct steps, right ? you can run each of those independently [20:37] adaptr, I goes from one step to next without my intervention :S [20:37] I just reply / complete [20:38] rizabawtie (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [20:38] Hello. [20:38] um..then I dunno, I guess. I remember re-doing things when I needed to [20:38] Thanks, My mother call me to dinner.. Ill back soon [20:38] Hm. [20:39] Action: rizabawtie stands up to the podium, "who needs help today? I am here to assist." [20:40] rizabawtie: what program will spit out the speed of my ethernet connection for me? [20:41] if i run ifconfig on freebsd, it spits out "media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT )", but slackware's ifconfig doesn't [20:41] ut: run ethtool [20:42] Suhana (~vash@host81-158-117-21.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Imma outta here [20:42] well, that's the speed of your NIC, not necessarily your connection :P [20:42] ang how do i get the connection speed ? [20:42] how far out does it go? i'm just interested in how it's talking to the switch [20:42] ut: what switch ? [20:42] ethtool will give you the negotiated line speed [20:43] d-link 8 port gigabit switch thingy [20:43] itethernet is a well-documented protocol [20:43] ut: ethernet is a well-documented protocol [20:43] link negotiation has nothing to do with switches. [20:43] Action: andarius is well aware [20:44] JackStoner: "ethtool eth0" ought to do it [20:44] thanks Urchlay [20:44] for an actual speed test, just wget a large file from a well-connected server [20:44] ang: yes, pedant: negotiated link speed [20:44] ut, bah! Sec. [20:44] better yet, from a host on your LAN [20:44] ut, adaptr> ut: run ethtool [20:45] I thought nobody took me serious so I ran downstairs. :> [20:45] Action: ut laughs [20:45] rizabawtie: keep doing that [20:45] ;_;... [20:45] it's good excercise [20:45] well, at least he's spunky.. [20:46] Why am I a he?! And why am I spunkie?! D: [20:46] Hmph. [20:46] rizabawtie (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [20:46] because only men use the internet [20:47] this is the internet, where the men are men, the women are also men, and the children are undercover FBI agents [20:49] real men throw bits at each other over long distances. [20:50] Action: ut gets a slingshot and a pile of quarters [20:50] if it comes up heads, it's a 1 [20:50] a head is round, a tail is pointy [20:50] you're not making much sense [20:52] my metaphor is more conceptual. heads are higher, more positive, kinda thing. [20:53] and - what ? my metaphor is a literal ? [20:53] Is it safe to choose 1024x768x32k in lilo? [20:53] it's literaler [20:54] G-Farkas_: boot with vga=ask and you can see what your system supports [20:54] JackStoner (~ezekiel@115.133.250.79) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:54] if you want you can just invert my bits. [20:54] i'm also going to send them little endian. [20:55] adaptr, Im still with the installer :) [20:55] G-Farkas_: just accept what it says, then. [20:56] you can always change it later [20:57] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:01] is it rasonable? 90MB first time boot [21:02] without X) [21:03] 90MB what ? [21:04] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:04] adaptr, RAM usage [21:04] what about it ? [21:04] don't be so anal. you installed the most powerful Linux OS in the world. rejoice! [21:04] Isnt it too much for booting in CLI? [21:05] But it is normal? [21:05] worry when you start to run out of memory, not before [21:05] je-sus [21:05] who cares ? do you have, like, 128MB memory in there ? [21:05] lol, its ok, just want to know if it is normal [21:05] WHY [21:05] how are we supoposed to know what would be normal for your system? what do youhave set to autostart, what apps/services are you running.... [21:05] "hey, I don't look exactly the same as you! is this NORMAL?!?!???111eleventy" [21:05] no, youa re abnormal :P [21:06] yes, *I* know that [21:06] :| [21:06] adaptr: we all know it. ;) [21:06] I thought that i will have about 20Mb of RAM used :s [21:07] G-Farkas: tyhen go back to freeBSE, and it might be true [21:07] G-Farkas: then I suggest you run top, find out what is using your memory and get to work [21:08] Action: ut is using about 3 gigs, apparently... [21:08] 1433/2048 here [21:08] adaptr, No, FreeBSD don't recognize my laptop hardware :) [21:09] Action: andarius gets upset when his ram usage is too low :( [21:09] I'm not criticizing, just wondering because he was accustomed to something else. [21:10] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [21:10] he ? [21:11] something else? [21:11] I* [21:11] mm something different mm [21:11] Excuse me, it's hard to me express myself in english [21:11] that is like saying I was curious why my ferrari would use a gallon of gas per minute while idle and my yugo would only use .2 gallons per minute while idle [21:11] apples and oranges [21:13] It deteced my wireless card :D [21:13] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:14] blaines (~blaines@ip68-106-24-21.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:14] blaines (~blaines@ip68-106-24-21.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [21:15] So... now youll tell me that i shoulded install 64 bit version... [21:15] why would we do that? [21:16] no, I will tell you that you should have installed gentoo. [21:16] so :P [21:16] Why gentoo? [21:16] because I honestly dont care at all what you install. [21:17] just wanted to say something other than what you were wanting/expecting [21:17] Of course you do B-) [21:17] Not really. [21:17] and why do you thing that ? [21:17] Most of us don't [21:18] andarius, I really don't think that... [21:19] yes you do. [21:19] Im impressed. It seems to be very fast [21:19] Everyone against me :( [21:20] Action: raela purposely does not use 64 bit with her 64 bit cpu [21:20] why not? [21:20] Urchlay, raela just wanted to say "her" [21:21] Urchlay: I used it once and had a lot of problems with multilib and didn't find any benefit from it [21:21] Action: ut kind of wishes he was using the 32-bit version [21:21] I don't see the point of using 64 bit for just my personal desktop-like machine [21:21] Action: ut screwed up multilib with an empty blacklist and hasn't fixed it yet [21:21] I have 64 bit on the lab workstation.. most of the software installed on it is intended for 64 bit in the first place [21:21] JackStoner (~ezekiel@203.121.25.60) joined ##slackware. [21:22] jstg (~jstg@166.205.140.230) joined ##slackware. [21:22] raela, I found runing software (compilled by me) faster in a 32 bit debian than 64 bit debian. (compilling for the correct arch in each case) [21:22] jstg (~jstg@166.205.140.230) left irc: Client Quit [21:23] G-Farkas: I swear firefox opens faster in 32 bit for me than it did in 64 bit, but people call me crazy :_ [21:23] *:) [21:23] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [21:23] raela: We call you crazy, but for other reasons. [21:24] raela, It was an app in fortran. Made by me so I know I don't do anything strange (i dont know how to do it). [21:24] FriedBob: bah! people from -offtopic have that right.. I don't talk enough in here [21:25] raela: I haven't been in there in ages. [21:25] FriedBob: yep.. so you don't know the depth of crazy [21:26] obnauticus (~obnauticu@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [21:26] raela: I do. I assume everyone is crazy until they prove otherwise. [21:27] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:27] FriedBob: ah.. well.. that will never happen [21:29] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:29] Once setted "essid" how do you start the conection? [21:30] hm. I dunno, for me the 32/64 bit thing, I figure within a couple years, everything will be 64-bit (like the change from 8 to 16, or 16 to 32), and maybe this time I won't be left on the trailing edge... [21:30] Urchlay: shrug, I'll drag my feet.. my one laptop won't be able to upgrade anyway [21:30] G-Farkas: depends on whether you've got to deal with encryption [21:30] Urchlay: by then, hopefully most stuff will be 64 bit native.. so no multilib [21:30] yeah [21:31] ut, without encryption [21:31] multilib hasn't caused me any real problems in slackware64. It used to sometimes, in slamd64 [21:31] dhcpcd, I think, and you should be set. [21:31] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6ACBE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] but then I don't even try to compile 32-bit binaries on my multilib setup (only run them) [21:32] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [21:32] Urchlay: I had a huge horrible problem with flash in firefox.. no idea why. then something else I wanted to use didn't work either, so I got sick of it and switched to 32 bit [21:33] 32-bit (with nspluginwrapper) or 64-bit flash? [21:33] ut, "lease information file '/etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-wlan0.info" does not exist [21:34] I had trouble with 64-bit flash, it turns out to be because the early AMD64 CPUs (of which I have one), are missing a particular machine instruction (LAHF I think it is), and adobe in their infinite wisdom included that instruction in their 64-bit flash binary [21:34] tried 64 bit. I had two versions of firefox installed (one was 32 bit in my ~ dir).. flash only worked with the firefox in ~, so it would've been 32 bit, but then the browser crashed once (it was -very- unstable) and flash didn't work from then on out [21:34] or better, how "startx" [21:34] oh really? I have an amd.. maybe that was why [21:34] easy workaround: a little plugin that catches SIGILL (illegal instruction) and performs the same operation in compiled C code [21:35] goj (~goj@p4FE6A911.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:35] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:35] typing `startx` doesn't work for you? [21:36] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: Bang Bang!!!! [21:36] Urchlay: well, I tried to sort it out, came up with nothing, so I decided to save myself the stress [21:36] raela: http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/flash-crashes-firefox-on-x86_64/ [21:36] when/if you ever decide to try again [21:36] G-Farkas: I probably don't know enough about dhcpcd to help you troubleshoot it. [21:37] Urchlay: I'll probably just upgrade to 13.1, not install fresh.. so I'll be sticking to 32 bit [21:37] Urchlay: my problem with the flash plugin was not that it crashed - nothing would load. there'd just be a big blank where the video or whatever would be [21:37] not seen that [21:38] ut, dont worry, I found SW very difficult because it is too different [21:38] SW? [21:38] well, yes, when I was trying to use the 32-bit flash plugin with a 64-bit browser, but the answer there is "well don't try to do that!" [21:38] Urchlay: the crash was unrelated to flash in a 32 bit firefox.. flash just didn't work after I reloaded the browser. the 32 bit browser was just prone to random crashes/hangs, whereas I think the 64 bit was okay but no flash [21:38] yuck [21:38] Action: ut thinks slackware is cozy [21:38] JackStoner (~ezekiel@203.121.25.60) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:38] JackStoner (~ezekiel@203.121.25.62) joined ##slackware. [21:39] 99.9% of the flash on the web is ad-shoveling anyway, I leave it blocked by default with noscript [21:39] Urchlay: I installed the 64 bit flash plugin (after I found it - that took forever) to every .mozilla, .firefox, and plugins dir I could find.. I think I had it in at least 8 locations.. nothing [21:39] (but it's nice to be able to at least use youtube) [21:40] Urchlay: exactly.. I couldn't deal with no youtube [21:40] yoyoned (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:40] well, I could survive if I had to do without it [21:40] I did for the first thirty-mumble years of my life, for example [21:41] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [21:41] hey guys [21:41] say is 13.0 x64 only in dvd size? I [21:42] killahsmurf (~killahsmu@c-68-46-126-173.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:42] I'm only going to install Blackbox so I don't need a dvd full of apps [21:42] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@188.140.114.51) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:42] Xgates, I downloaded a iso cd [21:42] Xgates: unless you make a CD, yes [21:42] Urchlay: I could do without.. but.. why bother when I can deal with less hassle and have flash by running 32bit? instead of saying "oh, sorry, I can't watch that, my computer doesn't have flash.." [21:42] alienBOB's mini iso won't work, because there is no support for my eth0 otherwise I'd use it and do a net install [21:42] well I haven't had a flash-related problem ever since fixing the lahf thing [21:42] Xgates, sorry, I downloaded not 64, i dont know [21:43] youtube works, and that stupid "crazy chess" game I like to play sometimes [21:43] sheesh I remember the day when Slack was a smaller iso now it's dvd errrrrrrr [21:43] ok, im sure this is a noob question. but i just finished my fresh install of slack64 13.0 and im looking to install exaile on this piece... do i need to find a 64 bit version or can i just grab whats available from the slackbuilds site? [21:43] and the various audio/video players people embed on their myspace pages, when I can be bothered with them [21:43] (mostly myspace just makes my eyes hurt) [21:43] killahsmurf: slackbuilds.org hosts scripts, not packages [21:45] Urchlay: if I switched, I'd probably have to go to 13.0 then upgrade.. I don't have dvds to burn, and the 64 bit pc I'll need to upgrade doesn't have any sort of disc drive.. so I'll probably download packages to that, then download packages for 32 bit twice (horrible way to do it, but I don't have a usb stick either) [21:45] lemme rephrase then: would i be able to use whats given on linuxpackages.net? [21:45] killahsmurf: not recommended & not supported here [21:45] killahsmurf: go with slackbuilds and switch the arch in the .SlackBuild to x86_64 [21:45] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:46] diven (~diven@cpe-72-183-237-2.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:46] hrmm [21:46] I cant start X. It supposed that i installed everything in the CD [21:46] andarius: oh wait I thought there were cds like 6 of them, you could either download the cd isos or a dvd iso [21:46] ill give that a try. but before i do... do any of you run exaile on slack64? [21:47] Xgates: not for 64 bit [21:47] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:47] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [21:47] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [21:47] hmm ok [21:47] you can make the 6 (or how ever many you want/need) CDs though [21:47] I made a single install disc at one time for it, not sure if I still have it [21:48] JackStoner (~ezekiel@203.121.25.62) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:48] G-Farkas: better get installing ;) [21:48] I've never made an install disk before is there info on it? [21:48] in the tree [21:49] JackStoner (~ezekiel@203.121.25.62) joined ##slackware. [21:49] sorry where? [21:49] ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/isolinux/README.TXT <-- follow those but use the 64 bit tree [21:50] ut, I dont get. You said that i made a mistake in the installation and now I dont have the X system? [21:50] Xgates: sorry, forgot they had the CD part in the 64 bit tree as well... --> ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware64-13.0/isolinux/README.TXT [21:51] G-Farkas: sorry, i thought that's what you said [21:52] ok well I don't even have slack installed at the moment to make one [21:52] to bad no on ever created a smaller x64 cd [21:52] doesnt have to be slack [21:52] ut, I dont know. I put "startx" and nothing happens. Doent works "kdm" too [21:52] nothing installed at the moment [21:52] you could use a liveCD of some sort [21:52] no need to install anything [21:53] try `xwmconfig`, and then pick one, and then try startx again. [21:53] ut, command not found :S [21:53] ut, I must to reinstall right? [21:54] ahhh thanks, guess for now I'll just download, by the time I get it made I could of had it downloaded, more trouble then worth [21:54] i'm trying to figure out how you managed to not install that stuff by accident. that doesn't sound right. [21:55] sucks that x64 no one made it into different cd isos too [21:56] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) joined ##slackware. [21:56] did you reboot after the installation and make sure to boot into the system, and not the installation disk again, or something like that? [21:56] ut, Yes, I was sure that i installed it, i was sure that i choose every package [21:56] ut, yes, the cd is infront of me [21:56] ut, mmm maybe because I didnt insert disk too? :| [21:57] disk two* [21:57] I dont have it :s [21:57] gh0st (~gh0st@c-67-182-57-230.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:57] that'd do it [21:58] the cds are loaded with different sets of packages. can't install them if you haven't got them. [21:58] say under x64 are there any cpu instructions that make it more ideal to run it if you have a x64 cpu, even though you have less then 4GB ram? [21:58] iwlist wlan0 scan: no scan results mmm seems like dont works my wireless card? [21:59] maybe. [21:59] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.96) joined ##slackware. [21:59] ut, I dont remember if the support for it started with 2.26.29 or 2.26.30 [22:00] killahsmurf (~killahsmu@c-68-46-126-173.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:07] andarius: I don't understand how those first few cmds pull down the pkgs from the slack tree online... [22:08] Xgates: what commands? last I looked youahve to pull the tree down on your own [22:08] ok [22:09] Xgates: ask around, there are a few here with scripts to do it [22:09] no worries I guess for now I'll go with x86 [22:09] until 13.1 comes out... [22:09] just dont upgrade between the two. [22:09] of course... ;p [22:11] under x64 are there any cpu instructions that make it more ideal to run it if you have a x64 cpu, even though you have less then 4GB ram? [22:12] Guys. I decided download and install the 13.1RC (DVD) (I tell you all because I know you care about it). See you later. 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[22:22] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:23] Xgates: about the only benfit you might see is that x64 has more general purpose registers than x86 [22:23] hmm [22:24] is there a way to get kde4 style file dialogs in firefox and other gtk apps? i followed this and it gives me kde3 style dialogs -> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=17786 [22:27] i installed gtk-qt-engine as i could not find gtk-qt-engine-kde4 in slackbuilds [22:30] how do install a new kernal that i already have in /sbin -_- [22:30] ??? [22:30] i run lilo and it says Warning: LBA32 addressing assumed [22:30] Added Linux * [22:30] One warning was issued. [22:31] lilo -vv [22:31] troy (~troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [22:31] what the vv? [22:31] new kernel name? [22:31] vErBoSiTy [22:32] a new album by sting [22:32] Fatal: Not a number: "v" [22:32] lilo -v 2 [22:32] thats just a non harmful warning. you can add 'lba32' in your lilo.conf to prevent it [22:33] s/harmful/hamless [22:33] ah, well this may sound noob but. how does lilo know which kernel in that folder to install? [22:33] because theres a few. [22:33] you gotta point to it, with a special line in lilo.conf [22:33] hamless is terrible. I like ham [22:34] ok ty! [22:34] oh look, andarius made a funny! [22:34] Action: andarius jumps up and down and claps :o [22:34] Action: mancha gives andarius a cookie [22:34] good monkey! [22:34] andarius: hamless is good for some of us though [22:34] Action: andarius fligns poo.... [22:34] gh0st, the line'll be image=$FILE [22:35] FriedBob: some perhaps, but I like it [22:35] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:36] ty, i was looking lol [22:36] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-68.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 271 seconds [22:36] Candinho (~Candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) joined ##slackware. [22:37] no problem. once you fix that kernel block in lilo.conf you can re-run and ignore the kosher, er hamless, error [22:37] image = $KERNEL [22:37] Candinho (~Candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) left irc: Client Quit [22:37] so i change $KERNEL to the path of the new one i want? [22:38] or do i change what my vmlinuz is pointing to [22:38] eh? [22:38] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:38] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-68.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [22:38] I just set up a different boot option for each kernel [22:38] you make it image=/path/to/my/vmlinuz [22:39] i suggest two things: a) put it in /boot not /sbin and b) name them, like vmlinuz-2.6.37.3-future [22:39] then you also need the corresponding map [22:39] ill explain my problem. when i boot i get something saying that my kernel doesnt match the current (for virtualbox) [22:40] don't explain the problem now, that would be too logical. since you'e done this backwards just stick to the advice given. [22:40] they are in /boot [22:40] i.e. giving the actual problem after 10 minutes of discussing the non-actual problem is bad mojo :) [22:41] heh, well my bad [22:41] you can piece together the advice given to fit your actual problem, i am sure. [22:42] "copy the kernel image to /boot/vmlinuz" it seems like my "vmlinuz" file isnt really a file, its like a link or something? [22:42] well, i guess it is a file. [22:42] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [22:42] so don't copy it there [22:43] copy it to /boot/vmlinuz-i-have-some-creativity-so-i-can-come-up-with-this-name [22:43] hehe [22:44] so then [22:44] image = /boot/vmlinuz-i-have-etc [22:45] i only ask because it would fucking suck if i messed the kernel up [22:46] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: thermonuclear nipple warmers.... awesome they are [22:47] jrt05 (~jason@c-98-196-24-103.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:47] guys, do you know a software to generate this analisys? http://www.scitools.com/features/metrics.php [22:50] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:58] parse error: preposition modifies a preposition [22:58] well, both aren't similar [23:00] I read over 2300 lines (25%) -totalizing 40 functions [23:00] not easy to understand all code [23:00] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:00] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:01] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:05] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.115.194.227) joined ##slackware. [23:05] miltux (~miltux@62.1.111.230.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [23:07] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon124952.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [23:08] gh0st (~gh0st@c-67-182-57-230.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:14] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [23:16] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.115.194.227) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:17] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:19] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-19-166.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:19] pass the reefer! [23:19] Action: slackin passes mancha the bowl [23:19] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-201.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:19] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [23:20] reefer is what, on slackbuilds? what version? [23:20] Ver-4.20 [23:21] its 4:20 somewhere in eu right now! [23:21] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:22] reefer-4.20.har.xtz [23:22] sQuEE` (~squee@186.125.33.254) joined ##slackware. [23:23] interesting, a har.xtz extension [23:24] i prefer reefer-4.20.cNc.lsd [23:24] wouldn't you want to stick with something that used tar? [23:24] does that one generate dependencies? [23:25] give a whole new meaning to a tarball... [23:25] mancha: cNc = crown N coke, or captian N coke [23:26] although u used to use reefer-4.20.snow all the time, but i had to cut that shit out [23:28] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:29] alreadygone (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [23:31] vincen_ (~chatzilla@222.70.17.84) joined ##slackware. [23:31] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-185-76.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] heya,folks [23:31] heya [23:33] obnauticus (~obnauticu@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:33] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [23:34] Nick change: alreadygone -> Oak [23:35] vp8 is pretty cool. have you all tried the ff+vp8? [23:36] TriniTuX (clayton@cuscon124952.tstt.net.tt) left ##slackware. [23:37] obnauticus (~obnauticu@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [23:38] pattwo (~pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [23:40] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:43] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:46] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon124952.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [23:47] mancha, the codec? [23:47] JackStoner (~ezekiel@203.121.25.62) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:47] JackStoner (~ezekiel@203.121.25.61) joined ##slackware. [23:48] mancha, i haven't tried it yet [23:48] wish someone would come up with a working alternative to flash [23:48] but that's just me [23:49] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [23:49] what is wrong with vp8? [23:50] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-68.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:50] mancha, maybe i misunderstood; are you saying vp8 streams content otherwise handled by flash? [23:51] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.96) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:51] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [23:52] mattallmill (~mattallmi@ip68-103-163-229.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:52] vp8 is video codec. youtube has begun streaming vp8 video in the matruska container [23:52] firefox has a preview build that works with this. opera does too [23:52] i use opera... i'll check it out [23:52] i just read some guys analysis of the vp8 spec, and granted i know nothing about anything, but he seemed pretty knowledgeable and wasn't impressed at all. [23:53] hiptobecubic: what were the specific complaints? [23:53] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-166.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:53] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [23:53] try to point opera to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz1yHmUW05Y [23:53] done [23:54] that should work w/o flash [23:54] my box is running it with flash10 [23:54] shonudo, looking [23:55] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:55] the folks at google, mozilla, and opera are pretty smart. they've jointly backed the vp8 codec so i refuse to believe "not impressed" type blogs. for now. [23:56] that's a pretty impressive team of backers... [23:56] i would tend to agree; if it's not ready yet, it will be soon [23:56] shonudo, disable flash, dunno why it's using flash to play that vid. [23:57] okay [23:57] hang on [23:58] on mine if i use a non vp8 firefox it tells me i don't have the needed html5 reqs [23:58] hmmmm... i'm looking at a big, black, blank space [23:58] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:58] hmmm ok. So apparently this blog is by an x264 dev... so competing interests possibly, but on the other hand i assume he knows some things about codec development [23:59] http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/?p=377 [23:59] do you have a recent opera? this is from today shonudo... [23:59] opera 10, but not the latest version [23:59] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:00] --- Fri May 21 2010