[00:00] . matches one char, .* matches one char until its done [00:00] nicht [00:00] german for yes? [00:00] german for read your book [00:00] :> [00:01] The * (asterisk or star) matches the preceding character 0 or more times, for example, tre* will find tree and tread and trough. Is what my "book" is telling me [00:01] that's more like it [00:01] user2438 (n=user4592@99.162.227.97) left irc: "Leaving" [00:01] thats what i said, or atleast what i thought i said lol [00:04] and why would you do sed -e? [00:04] why do you need script running [00:06] the man pages for that are kind of cryptic [00:06] pass multiple arguments to sed [00:07] multiple lines? [00:07] no arguments [00:07] so... more than one regexp? [00:08] sed -e 's|do|this|' -e "s|do|something else|g" [00:08] maddslacker (n=corey@c-67-190-191-37.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:08] ah, ok [00:08] I'm sure there are other uses for '-e' as well [00:13] prodor (n=prodor@189.193.70.52) joined ##slackware. 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I got it working... the network module still fails, with that xml parsing error, but I reinstalled wicd. [02:00] minux (n=email@c-67-172-180-105.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: [02:00] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:01] thanks for the congrats btw [02:02] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:03] prodor (n=prodor@189.193.70.52) left irc: "Poweroff prodor" [02:04] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:07] nv4phil: np [02:08] _aiiiiiii (n=Ig0r@Tribalero.Atlantica.US) joined ##slackware. [02:09] initself (n=initself@ip68-4-25-125.pv.oc.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:10] aiiiiiii (n=Ig0r@Tribalero.Atlantica.US) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:11] hello [02:11] where do i TELL mutt to open links with a specific browser ? [02:12] maybe in ~/.muttrc [02:13] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [02:13] elliot98 (n=elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [02:17] ~/.urlview [02:19] hey f'bird, more seamonkey exploits have been made public for all the 1.x tree only 2.0 is safe [02:19] they're accumulating! [02:20] mancha: wow, I guess 2.0 came out just in time. [02:20] heh [02:20] mancha: and you still don't have an update for it yet? [02:20] it's no coincidence, the exploits were found, embargo'd and addressed in 2.0 [02:21] no, afaik, slackware has no security patch for seamonkey or even a security announcement [02:23] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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[02:54] oh god. [02:55] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-74-209-11-2.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:55] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-74-209-11-2.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [02:55] PeanutHorst: been out since last week [02:56] or even more i think ? [02:56] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:57] came out 11/14/2009 [02:57] frullet (n=hooch@203-206-19-122.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:57] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430523.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:58] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430523.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:59] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:01] retsudo (n=retsudo@unaffiliated/retsudo) joined ##slackware. [03:01] hexorcist (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [03:02] deco: longer than that even. 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[04:49] Nevermind, its &>/foo/bar [04:50] 2>&1 1> /foo [04:50] IceChant (n=icechant@94.159.152.59) joined ##slackware. [04:52] IceChant (n=icechant@94.159.152.59) left irc: Client Quit [04:54] Guest38348 (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:54] IceChant (n=icechant@94.159.152.59) joined ##slackware. [04:54] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:55] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-53-250.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:59] hm no [05:00] i need to append it [05:00] 2>&1 1>> /foo [05:00] i see [05:01] still doesn't work :S [05:01] &>> /foo [05:02] syntax error near unexpected token `>' [05:02] :/ [05:02] tewmten: 2>&1 >> foo [05:03] nope, doesn't work either.. i get stderr on the terminal not in the file :* [05:03] :( [05:04] hm tewmten it works perfectly with bash [05:04] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: "Leaving" [05:04] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [05:05] ah.. 2>> did the trick [05:05] http://paste.pocoo.org/show/151872 [05:05] skips stdout but whatever [05:05] when will slackware 13.1 be released? =) [05:05] oh well [05:05] this works fine now [05:05] slava_dp: when it's ready [05:06] nyRednek, you could've come up with another answer to this :) [05:06] slava_dp: i could have said, "stop bitchin, pat is a busy man" [05:07] slava_dp: there's no release date set [05:07] so "when it's ready" is the best answer [05:07] Action: slava_dp doesn't want 13.0 on his intel-graphics laptop and wants kde 4.3 or 4.4 and wants an encrypted drive for slack etc.... =) [05:09] tewmten, Try this: command >> foo.txt 2>&1 [05:11] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:14] candinho (n=candinho@201-68-79-102.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:16] metriccwrench (n=ii@12.178.212.226) joined ##slackware. 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[06:17] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/freenode/x-nydblrtstkhwzauc) left irc: "Page closed" [06:21] sounds like a "attack" tool :) [06:24] in combination with tar, a good way to copy a load of data from one machine to several others :) [06:25] fred: i always just use scp in a for loop [06:25] Nick change: frimer_ -> frimer [06:25] It takes ~ 50 minutes to copy this data to each host, I've got 5 targets [06:26] unicast isn't ideal :p [06:26] ouch [06:26] USB sticks :) [06:26] backgrounded scp in a for loop? [06:26] not as efficient [06:26] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left ##slackware. [06:27] I'm nearly maxing out the network with unicast anyway [06:27] nfs per-host pull? [06:27] with r/wsize 256m [06:28] think like a virus writer. you need to make data spread it self :) [06:29] well, multicast/broadcast solve the issue nicely :) [06:38] guax (n=guaxinim@189.4.109.74) joined ##slackware. [06:40] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.92.128) joined ##slackware. [06:44] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-75-61.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [06:45] t0f (i=1000@4.238.253.170) joined ##slackware. [06:46] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:46] Celio-BR (n=quassel@189.27.106.207.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:46] celio (n=quassel@189.27.106.207) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [06:47] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:47] damnnit.. how *do* you background an ssh command embedded in a for loop :/ [06:49] Nick change: rapid_ -> rapid [06:51] ssh & ? [06:51] ssh root@foo 'bar' & doesnt mork [06:51] *work [06:51] nor does [06:52] $(ssh root@foo 'bar') & doesnt mork [06:52] bah [06:52] just shoot me [06:52] hm [06:52] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.158.226.112.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:53] how about [06:53] -f Requests ssh to go to background just before command execution. This is useful if ssh is going to [06:53] ask for passwords or passphrases, but the user wants it in the background. This implies -n. The [06:53] recommended way to start X11 programs at a remote site is with something like ssh -f host xterm. [06:53] thx.. thats prolly it [06:54] i hope so [06:54] wtf [06:56] MooKimchi (n=kimchi@211.180.33.122) joined ##slackware. [07:01] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-53-250.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) left irc: "Leaving." [07:04] toofer-home (n=toofer@c-71-199-13-151.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Good grief" [07:06] why does "echo 5*33.3 - 86 | bc -l" work on decimals but "echo 5 * 33.3 - 86 | bc -l" does not? [07:06] Axius (n=fd@92.85.221.217) joined ##slackware. [07:07] because bash hates you [07:07] heh [07:07] MooKimchi (n=kimchi@211.180.33.122) left irc: "Leaving" [07:07] its ok.. it hates me too [07:07] Utility (n=bicenten@211.180.33.122) joined ##slackware. [07:07] it probably hates me more because i dabble in psh too [07:08] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [07:08] Axius (n=fd@92.85.221.217) left irc: Client Quit [07:08] Axius (n=fd@92.85.221.217) joined ##slackware. [07:08] your parentheses are fucked [07:09] er quotation marks [07:09] oh, i addied them, they really dont belong there [07:09] whats the differerence between the two? [07:09] the spaces [07:10] 5 * 33.3 [07:10] both should work the same way [07:10] echo "5 * 33.3 - 86" | bc -l [07:11] if you don't quote then bash will get flustered with echo's argument, of course [07:11] ic. that is true [07:12] anyone know how to setup slackware repositorys like your own packages you built yourself so ppl can add them to slackpkg or slapt-get [07:12] bash does suffer a little from scope failure [07:12] is there a guide i been looking for one [07:12] oobe: ive never heard it done [07:13] oobe: not something it seems logical to do [07:13] oobe, first you need hosting that will allow you to do whatever you want with the website. myspace is probably not where you want to host such a thing. [07:13] for example, forget the | bc -l, just type "echo 5*33.3 - 86" and "echo 5 * 33.3 - 86" at prompt [07:13] thanks, this works nicely [07:13] #!/bin/sh [07:13] echo "$1*33.3 - 86" | bc -l [07:13] notice the difference [07:14] Utility, wtf [07:14] echo *, this has interesting effects at bash promp [07:14] i get 'command not found' [07:15] prompt [07:15] oh, wail...the quotes [07:15] w/o the quotes i meant [07:16] at bash, just this: echo 5 * 33.3 - 86 [07:16] yes [07:16] sorry [07:16] you should get "5 [all your files] 33.3 - 86" [07:16] yes [07:16] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-75-61.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:17] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-75-61.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [07:17] Utility, you made to many asssumptions for your comment to be valid an Zordrak there are many non official repositorys all made for reasons which are logical even if you wernt aware [07:17] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:17] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [07:18] well the darn thing converts a1c to mg/dl for people with diabetes [07:19] wanna see something freaky? run this [07:19] perl -ihydoczjhw#0tR0#doi1qx2wc -e'{$_=$^I;y+#-~+ -}+/eval}' [07:19] nothx [07:19] i need to truncate the output to integer [07:19] Zordrak: it's safe [07:19] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [07:19] tewmten: yeah.. but i still aint gonnaa.. what is it [07:20] it renders some ascii pictures [07:21] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-75-61.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:21] pizdets (n=pizdets@98.116.202.61) left irc: Client Quit [07:21] oobe, you assume i made assumptions 8-) 8-P [07:22] well you did make assumptions cause you assume i dont know where to find hosting [07:22] if my question is how to do step 2 then why would i have not done step 1 [07:22] Zordrak: run it in screen :p [07:23] oobe, i never said you don't know where to find hosting [07:24] despiron (n=despiron@187.64.21.199) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [07:25] ok sorry to get on your case about it [07:25] i only ask things if its not well documented [07:25] no it's ok i was going to follow up with recommending a hosting solution that gives you ssh [07:25] that way rsync over ssh ftw [07:25] nice [07:25] i would be interested to know about that too [07:26] and i believe that you would also want to use a virtual machine for your package making but i could be wrong. check with rworkman and alienBOB [07:27] t0f, a cheap trick is to divide by 1: echo "(5*33.3 - 86)/1" | bc [07:27] Utility, im building them on slackware current but i intend on testing them on a fresh install of 13 on a separate partition [07:28] fluke (n=fluke@86-45-85-201-dynamic.b-ras2.srl.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [07:28] packages built for -current are probably not good to use on 13, in the sense that you ought to compile all packages on the host version of Slackware they are intended for [07:29] mancha: hm, oh ok [07:29] note this actually truncates not rounds (which is what you asked for) [07:30] right [07:30] Utility, thats what im thinking which is not a big deal that is probably where the idea for vm came in [07:31] i will do it in vm if i need to [07:32] oh, i get it. it works after i rm the -l [07:32] ' [07:32] gah [07:35] before i call the script 'done', is this written ok? [07:35] if [ $# -lt 1 ]; then echo "usage: $0 "; exit 0; fi [07:37] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: [07:38] Utility, do you have that link you were talking about for the hosting solution [07:39] no i didn't have a specific hosting solution in mind [07:39] just one that has ssh access [07:39] also called OpenSSH [07:40] It's possibile to see doc file in slack? (I have system without X) [07:41] shyko (n=francisc@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [07:41] vianna (i=c8a34385@gateway/web/freenode/x-alaohnkntaekkrpi) joined ##slackware. [07:41] Axius: man man [07:41] vianna (i=c8a34385@gateway/web/freenode/x-alaohnkntaekkrpi) left irc: Client Quit [07:41] yes though i'd make it exit 1, exit 0 is, by convention, no error [07:42] mancha: unless youre in perl :) [07:42] mancha: ok [07:43] How to open a file with the extension doc? [07:43] install 500 terrabytes of openoffice [07:43] Axius: strings $filename [07:43] Utility, yea that is what i wanted i can work around till i get things up and running but ideally rsync is what i want [07:43] staroffice? [07:43] that too [07:44] whats the latest debian called? [07:44] fluke, www.debian.org ? [07:44] wrong window lol soz [07:45] use the farce, fluke [07:45] :) [07:45] ah just trying to solve an issue was more of a rushy Q :< [07:45] how to set opera as deffault browser when I open links from skype for example ? [07:45] tsonev: ask skype [07:46] lenny's stable, dunno about the dev ver [07:46] ok, another question: how to set opera as my deffault browser ? [07:46] mancha sweet, thats what i needed to hear :) [07:46] tsonev: depends on your DE [07:46] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430523.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:46] Zordrak: I see only rubbish. [07:46] my default was set to lynx. the nerve! so i set it to vi ;p [07:47] DE ? [07:47] >.< [07:47] desktop enviroment [07:47] no no no no. no. by. [07:47] *bye. [07:47] I'm using fluxbox [07:52] haldir (n=haldir@66.249.234.19) joined ##slackware. [07:54] yakergong (n=chatzill@210.77.26.38) joined ##slackware. [07:54] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:56] g'morning gang [07:56] haldir: take your happiness elsewhere and blow its brains out [07:56] heh [07:57] slack users are always happy Zordrak [07:57] what's the matter with Zordrak , no coffee this morning [07:57] Axius (n=fd@92.85.221.217) left irc: "leaving" [07:57] Didn't get any from the boyfriend last night, me thinks [07:57] not when they have to deal with the insane clusterfuck called yum [07:57] Axius (n=fim@92.85.221.217) joined ##slackware. [07:58] yum.... yum .... [07:59] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:59] yummy :) [07:59] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [07:59] isnt yum a fedora or suse thing [07:59] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [08:00] Axius (n=fim@92.85.221.217) left irc: Client Quit [08:00] Axius (n=fim@92.85.221.217) joined ##slackware. [08:01] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:01] ChArLoK_16 (i=ChArLoK_@212.11.194.3) joined ##slackware. [08:02] ChArLoK_16 (i=ChArLoK_@212.11.194.3) left irc: Client Quit [08:03] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-430523.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:03] fluke (n=fluke@86-45-85-201-dynamic.b-ras2.srl.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:03] it is [08:05] Axius (n=fim@92.85.221.217) left irc: Client Quit [08:05] if you need a pkg manager, call UPS [08:05] Axius (n=fim@92.85.221.217) joined ##slackware. [08:05] so zordrak is disturbing our slacky zen like peace because of an off brand distro... doesn't seem right somehow... [08:05] yes ='( [08:06] thimon (n=WebIRC@radio.redenorte.net) joined ##slackware. [08:06] thimon (n=WebIRC@radio.redenorte.net) left ##slackware. 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[08:20] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:20] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@c-24-131-254-113.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:20] Linux-IRC (n=Linux_IR@unaffiliated/easy) joined ##slackware. [08:20] Hello, [08:21] linuxquestions.org is for slackware support forum [08:21] they do have a slack forum amongst many others [08:22] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [08:22] From linuxquestions.org, and loging into the forum, from edit options, if i do "Do not subscribe" what will happen ? [08:22] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [08:22] What's the difference betweeen "Do not subscribe" and "No email notification" , is there any difference? [08:24] if you subscribe to a thread it will show up on your subscribed threads screen. whether you get email notification of new posts is a separate issue [08:25] jhw_ (n=jhw@p548F5E85.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "leaving" [08:25] jhw_ (n=jhw@p548F5E85.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:26] jhw_ (n=jhw@p548F5E85.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:26] jhw_ (n=jhw@p548F5E85.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:27] jhw_ (n=jhw@p548F5E85.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:27] jhw_ (n=jhw@p548F5E85.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:28] jhw_ (n=jhw@p548F5E85.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:28] jhw_ (n=jhw@p548F5E85.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:29] haldir: If i choose "No email notification", will it show my threads ? [08:29] Linux-IRC, no email notifications just means you will not get an email that there was a new post in that thread. nothing else [08:30] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [08:31] hexorcist (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [08:33] haldir: But that will show it as subscribed thread, won't it ? [08:33] haldir: Right ? [08:35] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.207.180) joined ##slackware. [08:36] Linux-IRC: stop. [08:36] Axius (n=fim@92.85.221.217) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [08:37] Linux-IRC: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/faq.php [08:37] Linux-IRC, yes [08:41] Axius (n=ade@92.85.221.217) joined ##slackware. [08:42] Is there any slackbuid for flashplayer for 64 ? [08:42] Linux-IRC, there's an install script on the dvd, in /extra iirc. [08:43] Emanon (n=Emanon@67.183.42.162) joined ##slackware. [08:43] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-13.0/extra/flashplayer-plugin/ [08:44] giuppy (n=giuppy@host72-160-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:44] anyone in here just the shit with slackware im having some issues on install [08:45] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-430523.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [08:45] not like a normal install i mean installing it regular works fine but im messing around with mdadm lvm and luks [08:45] Emanon, what's wrong? [08:46] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [08:46] Emanon: if you ask a normal question, we might help you. [08:46] trying to intstall slackware to a encrypted lvm filesystem on a 4 disk raid level 0 [08:47] i don't know what "just the shit with slackware" means.... is that some kind of hip talk that you youngsters engage in [08:47] hehe anyone really really good [08:47] like geektacular [08:47] i have no idea how to set up the raid part first [08:47] Emanon: If you have a question.. ask it. [08:48] mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=0 --raid-devices=4 /dev/sd[a-d]1 [08:48] you should probably set up the raid part first [08:48] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:48] hm [08:48] Nick change: ip-route -> contraventor [08:48] where's twinreverb.. he should see this: http://masswepray.com/ [08:48] hehehe [08:49] Nick change: contraventor -> ip-route [08:49] well i build the raid encrypt it make the lvm inside it install like normal with the encrypted lvm partitions then make an initial ramdisk to load all that properly and modify lilo to boot the ramdisk [08:49] I haven't see him in a while [08:50] all that goes great but it seems to be having trouble detecting the removable media i use to house my /boot and mbr (for lilo) [08:50] Emanon, http://linuxgazette.net/140/pfeiffer.html [08:50] TwinReverb == MooKimChi [08:50] left 2 hours ago [08:51] detects it fine in install and installs the boot and lilo to it just cant get it to boot off of the media when i finish the install so the system becomes unusable without /boot on the nonremovable drives [08:51] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [08:51] isn't kimchi one word? [08:51] maybe [08:51] john_dee (n=id@95-29-12-148.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:51] tewmten, ahahahahaha [08:51] and it's kinda buggin me cause it works fine on debian and fedora but i wanna use slackware hehe [08:52] was wondering if anyone had any experience with that sort of thing to tell me if im missing some crucial step [08:53] bye [08:53] Linux-IRC (n=Linux_IR@unaffiliated/easy) left ##slackware. [08:53] Emanon, did you read the link i posted? [08:55] pprkut (i=hwiesing@slackbuilds.org) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:56] yup and i actually have more info on the subject than it offers [08:56] but thanks [08:56] i just know im missing something simple i just dunno what it is [08:57] Emanon: you havent actually told us what happens yet [08:57] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:57] masterx831 (i=1000@adsl-235-213-125.mco.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [08:57] gnubien (n=e@209.244.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:57] lilo install options? (i doubt the installer comprehends RAID to pass LILO options but i am not sure) [08:58] what is the command to check if you have enable HT aain? [08:58] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [08:58] I believe is sometihng liek zgrep CONFIG_SCHED_ blah sometihng like that [08:58] masterx831, huh? [08:58] yea you have to build an initial ramdisk then tell lilo to boot that in order for it to detect the raid/crypto/lvm properly [08:59] well what i mean is that when you install LILO and when you make your initrd you need to specify your RAID and your LUKS and your LVM [08:59] yup [08:59] Utility: IF you make an initrd (i definitely dont..) [08:59] in his case he's going to need one [09:00] initrds aren't too bad [09:00] Utility: No he's not. [09:00] Utility: Believing that is half the problem [09:00] you're SURE he's not going to need an initrd for RAID, LVM, LUKS? [09:00] 100% absolutely positive [09:01] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:01] because the README_CRYPT for a fully encrypted drive specifies that you need an initrd [09:01] mkinitrd -c 2.6.29.6-smp -m ext4 -f ext4 -h /dev/md0_crypt_vg/swap -r /dev/md0_crypt_vg/root -C /dev/md0 -L -o /boot/initrd.gz [09:01] thats the command i issue to build the initrd [09:01] Emanon, is this an entirely encrypted setup like the last option listed in README_CRYPT.TXT ? [09:01] yea thats why im using lvm [09:01] ah then you do [09:01] so i can encrypt everything BUT /boot [09:01] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2009/08/30/the-evil-of-initrd/ [09:01] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2009/08/31/compiling-your-own-slackware-kernel/ [09:02] then i have /boot and lilo on a msproduo card i take out when im not at the computer [09:03] I thought encryption required an initrd as well, though I've never tried [09:03] alienBOB wrote README_CRYPT.TXT and it works. i recommend using his instructions. [09:03] yup and that .txt file is in the slackware 13 iso [09:03] iirc the initrd for LUKS doesn't contain just the modules but also the cryptsetup programs to unlock root [09:04] regardless, initrd isn't evil [09:04] Axius (n=ade@92.85.221.217) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:04] i kinda wish grub was offered in the normal install but i guess it wouldnt be that much easier with grub than lilo [09:05] since lilo can use uuid for disks same as grub i think [09:05] the only evil i could even remotely see is someone trying to hack the script within the initrd in your /boot to log your password to that partition (but that can be defeated as well) [09:05] it doesnt actually decrypt the passphrase to unlock [09:06] it encrypts the one you offer and see if it matches the encrypted one it has [09:06] so id have to be keystroke logging myself to do it [09:06] or else someone would have to get ahold of my /boot card and rewrite it [09:07] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [09:07] i guess they could intercept my keyboard it is bluetooth, but it does encrypt its data too so i dont worry too much about that [09:08] [09:09] Linux-IRC (n=Linux_IR@unaffiliated/easy) joined ##slackware. [09:09] rworkman: Hello, [09:09] and it works fine on other distros that i dont want to use hehe [09:09] like the same setup [09:10] rworkman: Are you here ? [09:10] like the only difference is like every other distro has switched to grub but this is possible with lilo i just know it [09:10] rworkman: How are you? [09:10] rworkman: Are you building packages now ? [09:10] if he doesn't respond, it means he probably isn't here [09:11] thrice`: or he isnt dumb enough to respond.. [09:11] :D [09:12] thrice`: But his nick is here [09:12] ! [09:12] so are over 300 others [09:13] bye [09:13] icaro (n=icaro@unaffiliated/icaro) joined ##slackware. [09:13] Linux-IRC (n=Linux_IR@unaffiliated/easy) left irc: "leaving" [09:13] hmmm [09:13] rather quirky [09:14] guess im doomed to ubuntu *cringes* [09:14] why? [09:15] cant get my encrypted partitions set up properly on slackware [09:15] as per the discussion earlier scroll up [09:15] you're never doomed to use a specific linux distribution only because you cannot figure it out [09:15] you can keep trying [09:15] I read your discussion, and it seems like more rambling than anything [09:15] Axius (n=ade@92.82.94.129) joined ##slackware. [09:15] i think the probelm is your -C option in your mkinitrd [09:16] that needs to rever to the RAID device i think (but i have never used RAID) [09:16] when you do LUKS | LVM | partitions your -C refers to the LUKS [09:16] that is referring to my raid device see how it says -C /dev/md0 [09:17] so if you're doing RAID | LUKS | LVM | partitions your -C still points to the LUKS [09:17] well i don't have any RAID experience so i was only pointing it out [09:17] you missed a -k before the kernel version, but I don't think that's it [09:17] really thought it had to refer to the underlying raid not the luks, u may be right tho [09:19] and ur right i missed the -k [09:19] did you edit your mkinitrd.conf to add the RAID portion ? [09:19] OK: /lib/modules/2.6.31.6/kernel/lib/crc16.ko added. [09:19] OK: /lib/modules/2.6.31.6/kernel/fs/jbd2/jbd2.ko added. [09:19] you should see some lines like this scroll past if you got it right [09:19] i forgot if im issueing 2 in rapid succession like that can i just do -ck? [09:20] not sure; just do -c -k [09:20] and if i remember correctly it does make the reference to the modules [09:20] those and a few others i think [09:20] Emanon: is your /boot on external USB? [09:20] msproduo [09:20] Try adding some delay to the booting - mkinitrd has a parameter for that [09:21] Action: Utility thinks alienBOB rocks [09:21] And Zordrak - LUKS _requires_ an initrd if you encrypt your root partition [09:21] sec ill check the mkinitrd man to see what the delay flag is [09:22] U-Neeks (i=U-Neeks@201-34-249-51.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:22] luks can't boot an encrypted kernel, bah it definitely sucks xD [09:23] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:23] Action: Utility thinks LUKS rox [09:23] alienBOB u remember if i can install GrUB in the course of the install or if i have to insert it later? [09:23] You can only install it later Emanon [09:23] Utility (n=bicenten@211.180.33.122) left irc: "Leaving" [09:23] It is in /extra i.e. not part of the core distribition [09:24] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:24] what options are there to create a mountable encrypted disk image? [09:24] And in Slackware64 it is absent even [09:24] mako-dono: use truecrypt or dm-crypt [09:24] right couldnt remember ifi could load it on removable media and install it manually to avoid lilo entirely [09:24] sok lilo has done fine for years [09:24] Emanon: why not make a separate unencrypted /boot on the raid [09:24] alienBOB: I see.. so it can't be done with what is provided with slackware.. [09:25] dm-crypt is in Slackware [09:25] hmm... dmsetup [09:25] interesting [09:25] No, cryptsetup mako-dono [09:25] cause i think it defeats the purpose of encrypting the system if i leave a means to decrypt it on the very disk im encrypting [09:25] i want to be able to cripple the system in my absence by removing that little card [09:26] Emanon: how would having /boot on that disk allow anyone to decrypt the LUKS more easily? [09:26] would offer them the prompt :-/ [09:26] thats about it but its something [09:26] Hm, I think you make it unnecessarily hard for yourself [09:26] probably [09:27] but isnt that kind of the penguin way? [09:27] they have wings "just in case" [09:27] Buggaboo (n=Buggab00@a83-163-207-12.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:27] Also remember if you use the generic kernel plus a inird, and have a removeable USB boot, you need to add USB modules to the initrd too probably [09:28] Buggaboo (n=Buggab00@a83-163-207-12.adsl.xs4all.nl) left irc: Client Quit [09:28] and i think my cardreader is hooked into usb somewhere in there so it probably counts as usb [09:28] Zero_ultimatum (n=kashyap@117.199.165.94) joined ##slackware. [09:29] shyko (n=francisc@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: "bye" [09:29] any idea what the flag for usb is in mkinitrd the manpage is being less than helpfull [09:30] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) joined ##slackware. [09:33] -m ehci_hcd:uhci_hcd:ohci_hcd:usb-storage [09:33] Emanon, ^^ [09:34] Emanon: have a look at mkinitrd_command_generator.sh under /usr/share/mkinitrd [09:34] thanks [09:35] alienBOB: so dm-crypt can be used on a disk image exactly like it'd be used on an hdd partition? [09:38] thanks for the tip slava and seeker but im on mint right now and those dont exist in it hehe [09:39] mako-dono: you can create an encrypted file container using cryptsetup just as you would with a whole disk or disk partition [09:39] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [09:39] And if you use truecrypt you will get a GUI too [09:40] cryptsetup such and such flags /path/to/folder i assume? [09:41] did you know, that cat /dev/vcs1 will show what's on the first tty on your system? :o Just found out I can monitor boot messages of my headless remote server :) [09:42] haqe17 (n=haqe17@host-137-205-27-227.res.warwick.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:42] slava any idea where to issue that usb switch? [09:42] Emanon, that's an mkinitrd switch. [09:42] just right after the existing -m in the mkintrd before the ext4 and al the rest? [09:42] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.92.128) left irc: Client Quit [09:42] Emanon, i. e., include the folliwing modules.... [09:42] -m ext4:ehci_hcd:etc [09:42] ok so anytime after the existing -m is fine? [09:43] there's only one -m. just stick your modules in there. [09:44] kool thanks [09:44] maybe that and that -k i was missing will clear things up [09:44] boy i felt stupid one time when i bitched for an hour then realized i typed /dec instead of /dev hehe [09:45] fau__ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [09:45] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [09:46] Emanon, i like your idea of a removable /boot card. hope you'll make it work. [09:46] works fine on fedora and debian based systems but i want to use slackware hehe [09:46] you said that already. maybe two times. [09:47] probably more [09:47] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [09:47] on a side note sfdisk and grouping my partitions sd[a-d]1 save me a bit of typing when building my software raid its pretty nice [09:48] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) joined ##slackware. [09:48] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:48] you could make /boot as its own partition and have fstab mount it as read only [09:48] any idea why every other distro seems to see my ide hard drive as /dev/sd{something} but slackware reads it properly as /dev/hdb? [09:49] well i DO make /boot as its own partition and i dont worry as much about someone writing to it as much as having it at all thats why i put it on removable devices [09:49] but thank you [09:50] Axius (n=ade@92.82.94.129) left irc: "Leaving" [09:50] boot has to be separate for raid0 anyways [09:51] least as far as i know (which given this conversation is apparently not very far) [09:52] guess i should dcfldd my drives before i reboot since the dd slack offers in install is the older one and painfully slow [09:53] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [09:54] alienBOB: I don't need a GUI. I have a situation where I have to keep files in a portable HDD. I'll have to add/remove files so I can't just use tar and encrypt that. and I can't encrypt the whole hdd [09:55] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [09:55] mako-dono: then cryptsetup is for you [09:55] I should add a Wiki article for cryptsetup like I have for truecrypt [09:55] yeah.. thank you, I thought my only option was to compile truecrypt [09:57] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) left irc: "leaving" [09:58] so from what i read dc3dd is preferable to dcfldd since 3 is a patch whereas fl is a fork? [09:58] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:59] imarambiocatan_ (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [09:59] and u know if theres ways to make cryptsetup use like gratuitous amounts of crypto, like 4096bit or something [10:00] Spy_Pc (n=t7DS@189.107.60.77) left ##slackware. [10:01] Emanon, cryptsetup is mil-quality encryption. what more do you need? [10:01] just wondering [10:01] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Nick collision from services. [10:01] Nick change: imarambiocatan_ -> nachox [10:01] 256 is plenty for like anyone so far just wanna know if i can have like tinfoil hat levels of encryption? [10:02] that wasnt in reference to tinfoil hat linux either didnt even think about it till i re read that [10:03] and i guess when you get right down to it they could spend like 15 years with multi million dollar computers trying to crack my encryption or beat me with a $5 wrench untill i give them the key [10:03] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:04] hmm.. cryptsetup segfaults when I use luks [10:04] so anyone think the new sdxc standard is gonna be awesome with usb3.0? [10:04] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-255.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [10:05] 10 times the transfer speed like 100 times the capacity hehe [10:05] andreas-- (n=andy@unaffiliated/slacky) joined ##slackware. [10:05] and when i'm not using luks, it just refuses to work with a diskimage (ioctl err) [10:05] saivin (n=saivin@122.167.97.118) joined ##slackware. [10:05] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:05] since the designers of sdhx standard say it allows for 2TB sd-micro cards [10:05] !paste [10:05] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:05] and usb3.0 says it will be about 10 times the speed of 2.0 [10:05] mako-dono: 64-bit Slackware? [10:06] rogersman (n=gr235423@nat/sun/x-yevmeoilpxedstbf) joined ##slackware. [10:06] can you imagine a 2tb sdmicro thatd be hot [10:07] not like their gonna make it untill right before they release whatever comes after sdxc but still [10:07] possibility give me a nerdgasm [10:07] hi pls give url for pastebin, i got problem with wireless [10:07] saivin, if you google "pastebin," you'll find probably 100 [10:08] pastebin - collaborative debugging tool ? [10:08] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:08] :), so nothing specific to slackware? will get back with link to my paste [10:09] alienBOB: no.. slack32, but it's a little bit out of date [10:09] guess once i get slack setup nice i could try bsd or linux from scratch, not like im planning on getting any this millennium or anything [10:10] an out of date -current [10:10] heh [10:10] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [10:10] that's probably the reason [10:11] |mel| (i=1000@117.255.72.210) joined ##slackware. [10:11] udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/sda) appears to be the recommended way to get info regarding a device....is there a less verbose (and hopefully device wide) command to accomplish the same thing? [10:11] i kind of wanna build a Gumstix cluster home automation/media server and set up thin clients around the house [10:11] anyone here good with iptables what im to do is replace my old internet sharing script so it has firewall rules as well but when i run it internet sharing and sql access does not work on the computer that is sharing access on my lan here is what im trying to do http://pastebin.ca/1679442 [10:11] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:12] hi, can you please go thru http://pastebin.com/d3175de15 and suggest whats wrong... [10:13] haldir (n=haldir@66.249.234.19) left irc: "Leaving" [10:14] _rockandrolla (i=delije@80.77.158.28) joined ##slackware. [10:14] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-174-54-144-240.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:15] and at friends houses for that matter [10:15] saivin: can you ping the gateway? [10:16] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [10:16] SuN, yes [10:16] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [10:16] What's in /etc/resolv.conf? [10:16] nameserver 192.168.1.1 [10:16] generated by dhcpcd for wlan0... [10:17] What does "route" say? [10:17] Also can you ping IPs (e.g. 74.125.45.100)? [10:18] what info u need from route command? shall i paste it in the same url? [10:18] Eh pastebin it, yeah. [10:18] If I knew what was in it, I wouldn't have asked ;) [10:19] ya i could ping IP (one given by u) [10:19] Ok, then it seems the dns server on the access point / router is failing. [10:19] sorry, i asked coz, it gave 4-5 lines :) [10:19] rockandrolla (i=delije@unaffiliated/rockandrolla) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:20] A few solutions: manually enter your ISP's dns in /etc/resolv.conf, replacing 192.168.1.1, fix dns on your router, or configure your router to forward your ISP's dns servers directly via dhcp. [10:20] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:21] SuN, http://pastebin.com/d7da49af4 updated paste. [10:21] Yeah, looks fine, it seems your router's dns function is just acting up. [10:22] how do i know ISP's dns info? it works fine with the *buntus though [10:22] Your router should display it in some status page, I guess. [10:22] ok, will check [10:23] _rockandrolla (i=delije@80.77.158.28) left irc: Client Quit [10:23] charle97 (n=c@72.234.133.96) joined ##slackware. [10:24] SuN, i could find default gateway, pri n sec dns server [10:24] how do i enter in resolv.conf? [10:25] Add nameserver x.x.x.x for both dns servers. [10:25] (and remove 192.168.1.1( [10:25] ok [10:26] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:26] dhcp will try to overwrite this once you reconnect, though. [10:26] DHCP_KEEPRESOLV[4]="yes" you can set that for your interface in rc.inet1.conf [10:26] That way it won't overwrite. [10:27] was about to ask ;) [10:27] won't it affect wired connection? [10:28] Well, your wired connection can use the same dns, I guess. [10:28] I suspect your router is doing something funky with its dns, though. [10:28] Maybe there's something you can do to fix that. [10:29] Or set it to assign your ISP's dns via dhcp, that way you won't have to set anything on your machines. [10:29] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [10:29] but i haven't faced this problem with sidux, opensuse, *buntus, fedora :( [10:29] (if your router supports it) [10:29] ea_suter (n=easuter@nat-1.uevora.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:29] Emanon (n=Emanon@67.183.42.162) left ##slackware. [10:30] hi folks [10:30] how do i do it? assigning isp's dns via dhcp? [10:30] can anyone tell me if SlackBuilds.org is down [10:30] I can't sync sbopkg [10:30] That's something you'd have to check your router's manual / config page for, it differs. [10:30] hiptobecubic (n=john@75.111.161.89) joined ##slackware. [10:31] ea_suter: doesn't seem to load for me either. [10:31] akSeya (n=psycho@187-26-72-182.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:31] slackbuilds.org server did not boot up after a UPS failire [10:31] maybe it was running ubuntu? [10:32] *giggles* [10:32] tewmten: more likely, it is a bios option on the webserver [10:32] yes yes whatever [10:32] man its friday [10:32] finally! [10:32] It shows [10:33] tewmten: software usually doesn't prevent bootup on power restoration [10:33] dont' you run ubuntu tewmten ? *giggles* [10:33] thrice`: i used to [10:33] SCREWEDbuntu, you mean? [10:34] nyRednek: it can.. very rarely though [10:34] rogersman (n=gr235423@nat/sun/x-yevmeoilpxedstbf) left ##slackware. [10:34] tewmten: hence me saying usually doesn't instead of never [10:34] SuN, i was supposed to run /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart after editing right? [10:34] Action: saivin got disconnected i guess [10:34] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-November/msg01445.html <- nice overview of the recent fedora "thing" [10:34] oh yeah [10:34] i missed that [10:35] saivin: nah, changes in /etc/resolv.conf are instantly picked up. [10:35] man my eyes are so tired [10:35] but then, now it has defaulted to one provided by dhcp :( [10:35] Change it manually again. [10:35] ok [10:36] is the dhcp server overwriting the /etc/resolv.conf ?? [10:36] Also, did you change the number to the appropriate one for your interface? [10:36] there's a setting for the dhcp client to not do that [10:36] now i go smoke [10:36] toodles [10:36] In DHCP_KEEPRESOLV[4]="yes" I mean [10:36] It was mentioned in this channel a few minutes ago - look back for KEEPRESOLV [10:36] Indeed [10:36] tewmten: shrooms? [10:37] snakes? [10:37] ya i did remove the comment from the above line. still it defaulted [10:37] The "4" in the line I pasted is an example, but not necessarily the correct number for your interface. [10:38] rogersman (n=gr235423@nat/sun/x-yevmeoilpxedstbf) joined ##slackware. [10:39] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-148-247.aei.ca) joined ##slackware. [10:39] does anyone know of a less verbose way of running the command " udevadm info -a -p `udevadm info -q path -n /dev/sda` " ? [10:39] ananke (n=ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:39] oh. but my first line says IFNAME[4]="wlan0", thats not enough? or is that IFNAME[0]="wlan0" ? [10:40] Ok, guess it is 4, then. [10:40] pgeek|| (i=pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) joined ##slackware. [10:40] Well, either the script is broken or dhcpcd ran before you edited the script. [10:41] is that just name nameserver for both or nameserver1 and nameserver2? [10:41] Camarade_Tux, nice read, thanks. [10:41] nameserver for both. [10:41] pgeek|| (i=pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:41] i write over a disk from my normal user, what group should i ad myself to? [10:41] now that i have edited resolv.conf how do i check? [10:41] Check what? [10:41] i cant.. [10:42] check if wireless is working. [10:42] Same way as before :) [10:42] madbear: um the disk group but i could be wrong [10:42] XandriX: im in that group :/ [10:42] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:42] slava_dp: :) [10:42] ok and as a normal user what disk exactly are you trying to write over and is it mounted or not [10:43] why edit resolv.conf? Doesn't that get blown away by dhcp anyway? [10:43] Hence DHCP_KEEPRESOLV[4]="yes" [10:43] madbear: ? [10:43] However, there's no guarantee your wired interface won't blow it. [10:43] This should really be fixed on the router. [10:44] its not mounted XandriX and its just a dvdrw [10:44] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:44] oh [10:45] madbear: edit your fstab and put the users option to your drive [10:45] /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 [10:48] madbear, add your user to cdrom, plugdev [10:48] it's pointless to edit fstab. [10:48] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-71-183-41-241.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:49] slava_dp: has a point [10:49] Action: XandriX forgot about that one [10:49] indeed [10:49] Nick change: grekkos -> Guest52883 [10:49] thx for pointing it out :) [10:50] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-136-175.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [10:50] ok done brb [10:51] saivin_ (n=saivin@122.167.97.118) joined ##slackware. [10:51] SuN, u there? wireless is working now... :) [10:52] thanks a lot... :) [10:53] saivin_ (n=saivin@122.167.97.118) left ##slackware. [10:54] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [10:54] phoenix89 (n=phoenix@ip68-2-20-163.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:56] thanks XandriX and slava_dp [10:56] madbear, works? [10:57] gtg, take care everyone. week is over :) [10:57] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [11:00] jhw_ (n=jhw@p548F5E85.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:01] saivin (n=saivin@122.167.97.118) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:02] Nickwiz (n=kvirc@208.80-202-164.nextgentel.com) left irc: "KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 3591, sources date: 20090924, built on: 2009-11-10 09:14:21 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/" [11:03] saivin (n=saivin@122.167.97.118) joined ##slackware. [11:04] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:05] haqe17 (n=haqe17@host-137-205-27-227.res.warwick.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:07] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:07] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:07] does anyone know of a less verbose way of running the command " udevadm info -a -p `udevadm info -q path -n /dev/sda` " ? [11:08] what does that give ? [11:09] I'm on on linux currently, so I have no clue what the output might be :> [11:09] dissociative (n=2-04@200.31.21.186) joined ##slackware. [11:10] dissociative (n=2-04@200.31.21.186) left irc: Client Quit [11:10] basically, just lists the serial no, model, etc of device "/dev/sda" useful for crating rules, but not exactly the most streamlined command i've ever used :-p [11:11] suppose i could just create an alias....but i'de like a way to list all that info for all connected devices rather than having to specify... [11:11] rogersman: uhh.. how about `udevadm info -a -n /dev/sda` [11:11] rogersman: "udevadm info -a -n /dev/sda" shows the same [11:11] alienBOB: ++ :) [11:12] there we go...happy days...thanks [11:12] rogersman: for ref.. i got that about 3 seconds after running "man udevadm" [11:14] If I have two different kernels that i need to boot from time to time, is there a way to install the module packages for both of them? If i upgradepkg it will of course remove the old one. If i installpkg will that not cause problems from two packages having the same name and different version numbers/kernel tags? [11:14] Zordrak: had just copied that command from tut on the net....though my man page doesnt show the abbreviated parameters options :-/ [11:15] hiptobecubic: just make sure the two kernels do not have the same version string [11:15] For kernel packages, always use installpkg, never upgradepkg, if you ask me [11:15] ok [11:16] You can keep the various kernels and modules installed parallel to one another just fine [11:16] sbopkg always does upgradepkg doesn't it? I need to get the package manually [11:16] I never never use a package manager to mess up my kernels [11:17] :) [11:17] alienBOB, well if that's what you're trying to do, they do a great job of it. [11:18] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [11:18] although i think it might be a good idea to include some way to force 'installpkg' instead of 'upgradepkg' in sbopkg [11:18] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [11:18] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:19] hiptobecubic: sbopkg is not for Slackware packages. You mean slackpkg? [11:19] hiptobecubic: http://code.google.com/p/sbopkg/issues/entry :) [11:19] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [11:19] nvidia-kernel is not a Slackware package. [11:20] phoenix89 (n=phoenix@ip68-2-20-163.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:21] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:21] hexorcist (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:22] I use upgradepkg on my kernels [11:22] thrice`, not if you want both kernels [11:23] ldd `whereis octave`, if I get the empty entries , how can I find out where does it links to ? [11:23] hiptobecubic, why not? [11:23] paul424, we told you about 3 times now, compile your own package [11:23] thrice`, upgradepkg uninstalls the old package and then installs the new package [11:23] I'm aware [11:23] ... [11:24] So if you don't want the old package uninstalled, you probably don't want to use upgradpkg. [11:24] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-213-255.33-151.iol.it) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [11:24] thanks for explaining that [11:25] why would I want to keep old kernels around ? :) [11:25] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-cnguimskymrmoyfp) left irc: [11:25] thrice`, did i misunderstand your original question somehow? [11:25] I assume by "both" you meant huge + generic ? [11:26] thrice`, well that's an example, but in my case i'm referring to huge + custom. [11:26] bye [11:27] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host114-70-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [11:27] slackie (n=x@87-196-100-90.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:27] paul424: you should be using 'which' instead of 'whereis' in that example [11:28] paul424: now, that solves the issue if you have multiple locations. that doesn't address the problem of not having software installed [11:28] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:28] he's been complaining for days that the binary package he installed has unresolved shared libraries [11:30] Zero_ultimatum1 (n=kashyap@117.199.160.7) joined ##slackware. [11:31] Strike (n=Strike@adsl-42.91.140.93.tellas.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:32] guys i ve got a problem. after the logon screen i want to change the gui from kde to xfce. so i type wmconfig and tell me command not found? [11:32] why is that? is my command wrong? [11:32] xwmconfig [11:33] really thanks! [11:33] Strike, man -k "search term" [11:34] sorry! i am reading every as much as i can about slackware etc. [11:34] Strike, man -k works on every disto :) it's a good trick [11:35] really thankis! [11:35] Strike, the slackbook answers a lot of questions, including the one you just asked, i believe. Even if it is a little bit old. www.slackbook.org [11:35] seamonkey-2.0 on slack-12.2 exhibits some strangeness. HTML directives like defining width and height fails to display images larger than the directive. slackware.org doesn't display right. it tiles the background.. Is there a fix or should I good back to 1.1.18? [11:36] good = go [11:36] Lab_Rat, is that a seamonkey issue? You might see if mozilla has a fix [11:37] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-136-175.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [11:37] icaro (n=icaro@unaffiliated/icaro) left irc: "Leaving" [11:38] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:38] hiptobecubic, I checked seamonkeys faqs and bugs and they suggested (layout.css.dpi) but it does nothing.. Maybe I need to hunt some more [11:38] Perhaps, i doubt there is a slackware-only fix. There usually isn't. [11:39] I thought it might have something to do with GTK but I have not investigated it. [11:40] Lab_Rat, sounds more like a problem with gecko or whatever renderer is there. [11:40] Not that i know much about browsers or web-dev [11:41] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:42] iam trying to set up my network connection as it says the alienbobs guide and slackware guide, but when i go to network settings a message says could not parse the xml file [11:42] what's that? [11:42] Zero_ultimatum (n=kashyap@117.199.165.94) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:42] Will do some more research... thought maybe others have run into the problem [11:43] pprkut (i=hwiesing@slackbuilds.org) joined ##slackware. [11:43] rogersman (n=gr235423@nat/sun/x-yevmeoilpxedstbf) left ##slackware. [11:44] dissociative (n=4-07@200.31.21.186) joined ##slackware. [11:44] how do I make an X program run in the remote machine which I'm sshing to? [11:45] vaibhav (n=landy@122.167.96.62) joined ##slackware. [11:45] I need to build an install ekiga and then try to make it run it is running kde all the time under my cousin account [11:45] hiih [11:46] Lab_Rat i'm on 2.0 also; what's this prob you have? [11:47] 12.2 too; bbox [11:47] dissociative, export DISPLAY=:0.0 [11:47] shyko (n=francisc@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [11:47] tripFantastic, If I go to slaware.org the background is tiled.. any site that uses height width to cause an image to resize will not display [11:48] Strike: do not use the KDE network settings program [11:48] Lab_Rat did you chk the alt-Ee settings? [11:48] why? [11:48] hello slackworld! [11:48] hi [11:48] |mel| (i=1000@117.255.72.210) left ##slackware. [11:48] Lab_Rat: man xorg.conf and search for something like Xaa pixmaps [11:48] dissociative: login into the remote box with "ssh -X servername" after you have enabled X forwarding on the remote server's sshd configuration [11:49] tripFantastic, no I have no idea what that is. unless that's preferences or about:config [11:49] pref [11:49] key-codes [11:49] alt-E e [11:49] tripFantastic, yea I have been through the prefs.. [11:49] ok; what's that url again? lemee see. [11:50] samuelig (n=samuelig@179.pool85-57-141.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [11:50] slackware.org the background gets tiled [11:50] ok brb [11:50] Strike: that KDE network thing doesnt work (at least with Slackware). at least it doesnt work here either. edit the config files by hand [11:50] besidees its quite strange , yesterday there were no slackbuild for octave3.2.3, on slackbuilds.org, looks someone listen to me here :). [11:50] dissociative, thanks sounds like a good plan .. [11:50] Lab_Rat, the background IS tiled...... isn't it? [11:50] Lab_Rat: use the option XaaNooffscreenPixmaps in xorg.conf [11:50] Lab_Rat, screen shot [11:51] Lab_Rat it looks normal for me. vertical striated gray tile [11:51] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [11:51] Ithink that its called [11:51] my files whith accent are showing weird in the console [11:51] fix your locale shyko [11:51] in the last 2 days i was alla day in front of the slackware [11:51] that makes me remember that I forgot to make a backup of my /etc in my usb [11:51] i am trying to solve it [11:51] tripFanta it isn't this [11:51] and off course iam reading your guides [11:51] and tutorials [11:51] with huge kernel they are ok [11:52] and in X too [11:52] is there a way to pastbin a screen shot.. [11:52] deco [11:52] Strike: use netconfig http://www.slackbook.org/html/network-configuration.html#NETWORK-CONFIGURATION-NETCONFIG [11:52] hey tripFantastic [11:52] hi [11:52] thanks! [11:52] Lab_Rat: import(1) [11:53] pprkut (i=hwiesing@slackbuilds.org) left irc: "leaving" [11:53] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [11:53] Lab_Rat to the picdump site; google [11:54] AlexElliott (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:55] tripFantastic: kline evading again? or are the freenode staff still on a vendetta against you? [11:55] Holy smokes it's putting the background of other screen in .. I will see if I can post it for viewing [11:55] spook the latter [11:55] spook i'm not evading anything. [11:55] Reav_1 (n=Reav_1@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Success [11:55] i never evaded any kline [11:55] i'm sure those certain people on a vendetta against you would disagree [11:56] then you agree they have a vendetta against me? [11:56] isnt tht AKA vengeful? [11:56] this http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/attachment.php?attachmentid=1851&d=1257079910 [11:56] i did nothing to earn it [11:56] whoops [11:57] I was wondering why the amount of noise had risen over the last past days. [11:57] waht noise [11:58] BP{k}: :D [11:58] spook pls dont bother them about me. [11:58] tripFantastic: oh i dont need to. [11:59] what a shame. [11:59] they are EVERYWHERE, those sneaky vengeful people [11:59] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: [11:59] you are a buzz kill. [11:59] Dominian: isnt that right?! [11:59] tripFantastic (i=1000@c-68-56-142-41.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [11:59] shyko (n=francisc@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: ""be back soon"" [12:00] does anyone uses or has vim portable? [12:00] it is like I once get used to vi I cant live without it [12:01] you are a buzzkill. why can't you take a clue? [12:01] pprkut (i=hwiesing@slackbuilds.org) joined ##slackware. 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[12:14] akSeya (n=psycho@187-26-72-182.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [12:14] giuppy (n=giuppy@host72-160-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:17] giuppy_ (n=giuppy@host72-160-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:17] Ok I have posted a pic of the seamonkey wierdness.. http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=s2gmk9&s=6 [12:18] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [12:18] Lab_Rat: uh .. ewwwww! [12:18] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@200.124.229.10) joined ##slackware. [12:18] eewww! seamonkey! :) [12:19] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [12:19] BP{k}, It's displaying the background of what ever the last screen I was on under the text [12:20] I can't even see that pic using seamonkey [12:20] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.65.53) joined ##slackware. [12:20] did you install slack-13's seamonkey in 12.2? [12:20] archiebenedict (n=archiebl@ip68-102-118-52.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:21] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:21] spook: is what right? [12:21] Pig_Pen, No I installed the 12.2 pat put on the server.. the second version of it [12:21] masterx831 (i=1000@adsl-235-213-125.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:22] i built my own seamonkey-2.0 on 12.2 and it runs great for me [12:23] seamonkey-2.0-i486-3_slack12.2.tgz [12:24] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@201.213.52.106) joined ##slackware. [12:24] r_linux (n=r_linux@189.38.220.35) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:24] M-M (n=user@CPE001d0ff5b8e3-CM0011aec8b246.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [12:25] http://pastebin.com/d1d9cb55f this is the parameters i used for mine [12:25] Guest52883 (n=grekkos@pool-71-183-41-241.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:25] r_linux (n=r_linux@189.38.220.35) joined ##slackware. [12:26] The changelog reads "As of version 2.0, SeaMonkey no longer includes a shared libgtkmozembed" as he removed the lib from the build [12:26] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:26] ravis (n=ravis@adsl-71-135-111-126.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:27] vaibhav (n=landy@122.167.96.62) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [12:27] Lab_Rat: not a solution,but just curious ,any reason to use seamonkey,instead of firefox ? [12:28] init[1] I don't like firefox which is just a matter of preference but more practically I like many of the features of seamonkey including the email and news reader integrated into the browser [12:28] i use firefox for most my general purpose browsing and without any plugins and locked down with NoScript & Adblock Plus, i use seamonkey with lots of plugins but only use it at known trusted websites [12:29] ravis (n=ravis@adsl-71-135-111-126.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:29] vaibhav (n=landy@122.167.70.194) joined ##slackware. [12:29] pig_pen noscript and adblock are the only plugins I use.. so far it's worked great [12:30] seamonkey has done this on 2 boxes .. both with slack12.2 [12:30] archiebenedict (n=archiebl@ip68-102-118-52.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:31] archiebenedict (n=archiebl@ip68-102-118-52.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:32] Dominian: that its all a staff conspiracy against tripfantastic/quiznos [12:33] oh yeah [12:34] Blikjeham (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:35] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.207.180) joined ##slackware. [12:36] M-M (n=user@CPE001d0ff5b8e3-CM0011aec8b246.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:38] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:38] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [12:42] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [12:42] escaflown (n=elom@24.65.83.244) joined ##slackware. [12:42] s/staff/whole\ of\ freenode/ [12:42] anyone hear on the news about those killers in Peru that were killing people to extract their fat for the cosmetics market in europe? [12:43] o_O [12:43] ;p; [12:43] Pig_Pen: you mean babies ? [12:43] no, full grown people [12:43] they probably targeted fatter people [12:44] Action: init[1] google -ing [12:44] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8369674.stm [12:44] Pig_Pen, Pats script options and yours are pretty much the same with the exception of --disable-dbus and crashreporter.. [12:45] thought for sure that would be on snopes or something [12:45] yup, i dont like dbus & hal so i build it to not need it [12:45] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [12:45] I don't think either of those would cause the problem [12:46] 15,000 dollars for a litre of human fat [12:46] Strike (n=Strike@adsl-42.91.140.93.tellas.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [12:47] ea_suter (n=easuter@nat-1.uevora.pt) left irc: "leaving" [12:48] giuppy_ (n=giuppy@host72-160-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:48] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [12:48] doctors should be paying fat people to come in to their offices for liposuction [12:50] Zero_ultimatum (n=kashyap@117.199.162.26) joined ##slackware. [12:52] hmm have to send in stuff to try and get a droid to verizon anyone really tried it in here the droid I mean? 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[13:03] Zero_ultimatum1 (n=kashyap@117.199.160.7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:06] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:08] Zero_ultimatum1 (n=kashyap@117.199.161.205) joined ##slackware. [13:08] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.193.8.110) joined ##slackware. [13:08] Hi guys, im having some problems when starting kde, and xfxe [13:09] when i log in via kdm, kde tries to start but doesn-t [13:09] and when starting xfce, panel reload several times [13:09] only thing i did was to install libgdiplus [13:11] petslack (n=petslack@201-68-130-150.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [13:12] jim_jones (n=peter@212.183.140.48) joined ##slackware. [13:12] kde worked before libgdiplus? [13:12] Zero_ultimatum (n=kashyap@117.199.162.26) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:12] yes, [13:12] ill try removing the packages, and check [13:12] lets see [13:13] hexorcist (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:13] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.193.8.110) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:13] check X log to see if anything is not loading [13:15] Zero_ultimatum (n=kashyap@117.199.162.177) joined ##slackware. [13:17] the xfce panel occasionally used to fail to load for me too. like once a week [13:18] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.72.253) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:21] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.193.8.110) joined ##slackware. [13:22] re [13:22] anoyone have premium account on rapidshare ? [13:23] i think my problem was that /dir was full [13:23] i had a problem when tring to logout, kdm wont came back. just a blank screen and cursor [13:23] someone know the best method to resize ext4? [13:23] Cesarion76, what vga? [13:23] i had same problem you have to modify kdmrc [13:24] and change TerminateServer [13:24] its a common problem with intel and ati vgas [13:24] yes I did and works now [13:24] intel vga? [13:24] its a SiS 740. [13:24] as i saw 2.9.1 drivers must solve this problem.. at least thats what changelog on intelgraphis says [13:25] best way to resize ext4 part? [13:25] Nick change: SlackNeo_ -> SlackNeo [13:27] masterx831 (i=1000@adsl-235-213-125.mco.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [13:27] Nick change: masterx831 -> Masterx831 [13:27] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [13:27] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.193.8.110) left irc: "Leaving" [13:28] tuxdev (n=tgoya@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [13:29] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:29] Zero_ultimatum1 (n=kashyap@117.199.161.205) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:29] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:29] my kdmrc did not show that line [13:30] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [13:30] so i deleted it and rebuild [13:31] rerun is more accurate term [13:31] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:31] now shows the TerminateServer line [13:32] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.72.253) left irc: "Leaving" [13:35] Zero_ultimatum1 (n=zerotime@218.248.65.157) joined ##slackware. [13:38] Badtroll (i=4453b0ee@gateway/web/freenode/x-fbupmgkdmyphesgk) joined ##slackware. [13:38] Hello, fuckers. [13:38] Badtroll? [13:38] Nick change: Badtroll -> HelenThomas [13:39] I am a ugly ass old woman, but I owned that fatass Robert Gibbs for being a dick. [13:39] you can rime! [13:40] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [13:41] Mkman (n=Tiago@bl7-3-20.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:42] That press secretary Robert Gibbs is worse than Dana Perino under the Bush Administration. [13:42] HelenThomas: Hey, that's a good impression of the only person in the white house news corps who actually asks substantive quesions! [13:42] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [13:43] Dana Perino was kind of fun... easy to get her all angry. [13:43] eviljames: And I live on sliced apples and go out with Chip Reid. [13:43] I have such a boner for you. [13:43] Zero_ultimatum (n=kashyap@117.199.162.177) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:43] So does Madonna. [13:44] You should probably go back to your original nick, because you aren't very good at trolling. [13:44] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-34-223.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:44] Couldn't you have sparked up editor wars, or perhaps rambled on and on about how much you love Novell? [13:44] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [13:44] Nick change: HelenThomas -> CompetentTroll [13:44] ##slackware: mode change '+d c-68-83-176-238.hsd1.nj.comcast.net/68.83.176.238' by rworkman!i=3356@about/slackware/rworkman [13:44] FOAD [13:45] quiznos again? [13:45] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*=4453b0ee@gateway/web/freenode/x-fbupmgkdmyphesgk' by rworkman!i=3356@about/slackware/rworkman [13:45] CompetentTroll kicked from ##slackware by rworkman: rworkman [13:45] thanks, rworkman:) [13:45] thrice`: nope, that was someone else. [13:45] Who was that masked man, anyway? [13:45] heya hitest [13:45] No idea, but I'm afk again. [13:45] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!i=3356@about/slackware/rworkman [13:45] hiya fire|bird [13:45] rworkman: have fun! [13:45] :) [13:46] hitest: How's it going? [13:46] fire|bird: it is going well, ty:) how are you? [13:46] hitest: I'm great, thank you. :) [13:47] Action: The_Seeker just had to google FOAD... [13:47] The_Seeker: haha, know what it is now? :P [13:47] hexorcist (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:47] fire|bird: I do :) [13:48] :) [13:55] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: [13:55] Glad Im not the only one who had to google that. [13:56] lol [14:02] dissociative (n=4-07@200.31.21.186) left irc: "leaving" [14:04] Mkman (n=Tiago@bl7-3-20.dsl.telepac.pt) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [14:05] MarderIII (n=MarderII@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:07] guilty of googling that [14:07] too :) [14:07] hehe, I ran wtf on it [14:09] ChArLoK_16 (n=WRX3@82.137.203.132) joined ##slackware. [14:09] no need fot that ;) [14:09] ji ji [14:12] jim_jones (n=peter@212.183.140.48) left irc: "Leaving" [14:14] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:14] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.254.175.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [14:15] is ext4 safe enough for prime time yet? or do you think that i should only do my /home part as ext4? [14:15] Nick change: wertik_rus -> wertik_rus|work [14:16] I think you have it backwards. [14:16] Your /home partition should likely be a well-understood, ancient stable filesystem. [14:16] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) joined ##slackware. [14:16] That way, should something like a sudden power failure happen it doesn't toast your important data. [14:16] Everything under / can be reinstalled at a moment's notice. How many backup copies of your ~/Pictures folder do you have? [14:17] 2 [14:17] so 3 counting the live one [14:17] I use XFS (which I have heard that under power failure circumstances can be problematic but never experienced it) [14:17] my / is ext{2,3,4 whatever} and /home is xfs, that is. [14:18] so your advice is to stick with 3rd extended for the time being? [14:18] For /home yeah, probably. For anywhere else, ext4 shouldn't hurt. [14:18] ok [14:19] But there was an issue with power failure before, and T'So (the coder behind ext4) essentially marked it as WONTFIX [14:19] or "it's a feature, you drooling jackasses!" [14:19] It's POSIX! [14:19] tuxdev: YOU'RE POSIX! [14:19] anyhow, slack's defaults don't have that issue [14:19] i've noticed the the disk tools have not even caught up to ext4 yet. cfdisk reports the partition as ext3 [14:20] We set ext4 to writeback by default? [14:20] Man-erg (n=Man-erg@host-78-13-13-223.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [14:21] s/T'So/Ts'o/ woops [14:22] eviljames, yeah [14:22] vaibhav (n=landy@122.167.70.194) left irc: "Leaving" [14:23] right now I'm just mounting a ext3 using the ext4 driver [14:23] U-Neeks (i=U-Neeks@201-34-249-51.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [14:24] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:24] i use ext4 in / for about 2 weeks [14:25] Then your house burned down as a result? [14:25] worse! it gave his cat bad breath (: [14:26] Only little green men jumping all around:) [14:27] t0f: There's a pill that can fix that. :P [14:27] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) joined ##slackware. [14:27] lol [14:29] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [14:29] ok, back to the drawing board on my other system. can't wait to get it running well, as this old box is a p3 running slackware 12.1 :| [14:29] later people [14:30] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.254.175.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: [14:30] r_linux (n=r_linux@189.38.220.35) left irc: Client Quit [14:32] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@173-162-21-126-Nashville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [14:32] Hrm, trying to add a printer in DWM (so no KDE printer manager, etc.) [14:32] Cups has a web interface [14:32] eviljames, yeah I saw that in the cups documentation, how do I start that? [14:32] (the url in the cups documentation returns page not found, so I presume the web daemon isn't running yet)\ [14:32] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:33] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:33] Cryp71c: Have you done something like the following: $ su -c "chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.cups && /etc/rc.d/rc.cups start" [14:34] ChArLoK_16 (n=WRX3@82.137.203.132) left irc: "leaving" [14:34] nope [14:34] Zero_ultimatum1 (n=zerotime@218.248.65.157) left ##slackware. [14:34] gem_cat (n=GEM@207-119-19-235.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [14:35] Cryp71c: I'm assuming you can parse that and understand what it means and does? [14:35] Yeah, got it. [14:35] Cool, give it a shot. Otherwise some modifications to /etc/cups/*.conf might be needed. [14:35] is there some way to both capture and watch the standard output (simultaniously) [14:36] btw: http://9.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kt2eynYSP91qz4axuo1_500.jpg [14:36] gem_cat: the tee command [14:36] gem_cat: I would send stdout to a file an dthen tail it. [14:36] ChArLoK_16 (n=WRX3@82.137.203.132) joined ##slackware. [14:36] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@201.213.52.106) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [14:36] gem_cat: something like command 1> stdout.log 2> stderr.log & tail -f stdout.log [14:36] Nick change: mako-dono -> mako-sama [14:36] command | tee file.out [14:37] gemcat (n=GEM@207-119-19-235.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [14:37] writes to file.out and screen [14:37] ok thanks M-M, eviljames [14:38] M-M: That's a good solution as well. [14:38] gem_cat: np [14:40] the man page was not as helpful as usual - M-M can I just enter: make |tee filename [14:41] that'll capture stdout only [14:41] that is what I want [14:42] I am compiling a kernel and have had two power glitches (so far) [14:42] power glitches are nasty [14:43] is not usual - weather I guess [14:43] you don't own a UPS? [14:43] eviljames, hrm, now the only issue is driver. [14:44] gemcat: With the solution I provided, you will capture stdout and stderr, but only watch stdout. [14:44] I have several - all dead [14:44] wow [14:45] anothergem (n=GEM@207-119-19-235.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [14:46] looks like weather online too - thanks again - bbl [14:46] anothergem (n=GEM@207-119-19-235.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:50] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:53] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.136.158.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:54] gem_cat (n=GEM@207-119-19-235.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:55] prashant_ (n=prashant@122.172.54.248) joined ##slackware. [14:56] archiebenedict (n=archiebl@ip68-102-118-52.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "aa is for quitters" [14:57] psyber (n=psyber@pool-71-240-140-215.hrbgpa.btas.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [14:58] pfft, this didn't take long: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-November/msg01445.html [14:59] Fedora backtracks on packagekit policy, non-root users will no longer be able to install packages. [15:00] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: "Saliendo" [15:01] you know on a home system with only one user that policy was actually a good idea [15:01] I'm not debating that for a second. [15:01] Or, not so much that it was a good idea, just that it wasn't a _bad_ idea. [15:01] most of the problems with that policy seem to be people confusing fedora with red hat enterprise [15:02] gnoel (n=gnoel@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:02] Plus, it was only for the desktop, and did not apply to their server edition, if I unerstand correctly. [15:03] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-47-29.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:03] gemcat: sorry, wasn't looking... yes, that should work [15:03] it was only for the fedora desktop thats not made or supported for enterprise use [15:04] but remember that if the power goes out the file might not be complete either [15:04] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-47-29.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:04] I liked that fedora rule [15:04] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-47-29.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:05] icaro (n=icaro@unaffiliated/icaro) joined ##slackware. [15:05] giuppy (n=giuppy@host72-160-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "leaving" [15:05] people deploying fedora on larger scales would probably have to change stuff anyway [15:06] giuppy (n=giuppy@host72-160-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:06] people deploying fedora in a company are SOL as far as red hat support goes , and what company runs the newest version of anything anyway [15:06] shyko (n=francisc@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: "leaving" [15:07] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] wazup!?! [15:07] giuppy (n=giuppy@host72-160-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [15:08] Helloool [15:08] -l [15:08] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:08] sup fredoslack [15:08] Hi beatzz [15:08] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@200.124.229.10) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:08] haqe17 (n=haqe17@host-137-205-27-227.res.warwick.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:08] glen2 (i=1000@87-194-47-22.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:08] going to the rodeo tonight! w00t w00t!! [15:08] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [15:08] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.207.180) joined ##slackware. [15:09] beatzz: don't fall off. ;) [15:09] pssh, hellz no [15:09] i might ride the mechanical [15:09] lol [15:09] if i get drunk enough. [15:10] sober, i will say no, because my back hurts like crazy [15:10] beatzz: and, if you get REALLY drunk, a real one? [15:10] no way [15:10] its PBR [15:10] Pro bull ridding [15:10] giuppy (n=giuppy@host72-160-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:10] international champs will be riding some crazy bovines [15:11] www.cowboysdancehall.com [15:11] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-255.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:11] i've got a small question [15:11] lol [15:12] can i have smileys with xchat ? [15:12] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [15:12] ..rodeos.. kind of sound like borderline animal abuse [15:12] with Slackware [15:12] the smalls yellow heads [15:12] i love them :) [15:12] tuxdev, rodeo's = extreme animal abuse [15:12] but who cares? [15:13] theyd be eaten otherwise [15:13] i'd let people ride me over eat me. [15:13] and actualy if u think about it, rodeo bulls proly get treated great, they are proly fed very well [15:13] gemcat (n=GEM@207-119-19-235.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:13] to keep them big and strong [15:14] rodeo > slaughter [15:14] pprkut (i=hwiesing@slackbuilds.org) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:16] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-255.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:17] prashant_ (n=prashant@122.172.54.248) left irc: "Leaving" [15:18] beatzz, i have found your picture on the Web. [15:19] Here: http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Ordinateur/0004.gif [15:19] hu hu [15:19] Nick change: paissad_ -> paissad-hp [15:22] ha....ha....ha.... [15:22] :p [15:26] ChArLoK_16 (n=WRX3@82.137.203.132) left irc: "leaving" [15:27] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: "peace" [15:28] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [15:31] gnoel (n=gnoel@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:31] gsan_ (n=gsan@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] samuelig (n=samuelig@179.pool85-57-141.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [15:37] who want to eat >> http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Manger/0046.gif [15:37] =) [15:37] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:37] nv4phil (n=phil@c-69-137-66-177.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:38] hmm nice, bread and cheese [15:38] =) [15:38] :p [15:38] samuelig_ (n=samuelig@241.pool85-57-147.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [15:38] Action: dive hasn't had a decent cheese for a while [15:38] I used to be mad for roquefort (sic) [15:39] now I can only eat small amounts [15:39] but *really* strong cheese is great [15:39] The-Croupier (n=agapi@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [15:39] cyborg-one (i=1000@nas-12-198.dialup.farlep.net) joined ##slackware. [15:39] talking of cheese... [15:39] hiya dive ;) [15:39] The-Croupier, evening ;p [15:39] dive: feta cheese is the best ;) [15:40] I'm fond of near-moldy cheddar [15:40] ah [15:40] dive, i've got the wine, look : [15:40] here > http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Boissons/0005.gif [15:40] hiya fredoslack tuxdev [15:40] Hi The-Croupier =) [15:40] fredoslack, yes wine is good [15:40] lool dive [15:40] but I'm on the beer tonight [15:41] me too :) [15:41] no cheese and wine, but I do have beer and fig rolls lol [15:41] =) [15:41] lol [15:41] dive: ;) [15:43] MarderIII (n=MarderII@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: "leaving" [15:43] ok tomorrow night I go shopping and will bring back wine and cheese [15:44] but, it may be chianti since that is nice and relatively cheap at the moment [15:44] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. 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[15:50] Lexus45, you can upgrade them fine and run lilo but slackpkg will ask to run it anyway at the end [15:50] samuelig_ (n=samuelig@241.pool85-57-147.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:50] mm.. thank you dive :) [15:51] it's fine unless you have a custom compiled kernel and want to keep the config for example [15:51] so, after 'lilo' everything will work fine i hope [15:51] it should do [15:51] no, i have the 'standard' kernel [15:51] just need reboot [15:51] OK :-) [15:51] thank you [15:51] np [15:54] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.61.55) joined ##slackware. [15:57] any of our guitar players here today? [15:58] (or anyone with a mic or musical instrument hooked up to a slack box?) [15:58] hey smooth|bullets [15:58] err Urchlay [15:58] Urchlay: here! [15:58] well, I fired up audacity a while back and my internal laptop mic worked.. [15:58] Urchlay, guitarist yes, hooked up nay [15:59] Urchlay: but i don't record [15:59] actually i don't play guita anymore [15:59] guitar* [15:59] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:59] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:00] dive: well done :) [16:00] ok [16:00] :) [16:01] slackpkg is pretty inteligent nowdays about uupgrading kernel and stuff - it also upgrades packages in the correct order when upgrading the entire system [16:02] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:02] dive and/or deco: I'm looking for guinea pigs to test my slackbuild of rakarrack (software guitar effects processor) [16:04] it's a pretty sweet piece of software, other than the hideous default color scheme [16:04] yup, i used it for upgrading other packages . besides, i trained to upgrade from 12.2 to 13.0 but on the 'training' box. today's box is a server that's why i was a little bit afraid :) [16:04] Urchlay, can I juts plug in guitar straight into sound card or do I need guitar -> amp -> PC? [16:04] straight in [16:05] hey, adjusts|beryllium [16:05] ok, but I can't test until I have moved the washing machine out from front of desk [16:05] er, fire|bird... I read your "bullets" as "mullets" [16:05] Urchlay: iirc, you need to put it through a preamp first [16:05] dive: errr. I shall not ask... [16:06] Urchlay: haha [16:06] nyRednek: probably sounds better, but it does at least work without one (I played with it for hours last night) [16:06] nyRednek: it probably also sounds & performs better with a pro audio interface instead of my crappy motherboard sound chip [16:07] Urchlay: in the case of a pro audio interface, preamp is unnecessary [16:08] in the case of my onboard shitty sound, a preamp isn't required (this is with a passive instrument, too. I expected to have to drag out the bass with active pickups, but I didn't) [16:08] Urchlay: thinking of putting together an apc(atari punk console) [16:08] Urchlay: SansAmp. [16:08] Urchlay: For recording bass, I have found no better tool. [16:09] yah, heard of those [16:09] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:09] Urchlay: just one waveform, and no envelope [16:09] icaro (n=icaro@unaffiliated/icaro) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:09] usually two oscillators [16:09] usually I'm playing an active bass, don't need anything at all (plug straight into board for recording, EQ it a bit) [16:09] LifeForce4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:09] nyRednek: what, using a real atari 2600? [16:10] Urchlay: no, using a 995 timer circuit [16:10] square waveform is all it'll put out [16:10] (a real 2600 has 2 oscillators, no envelopes, but only a 5-bit divider for the frequency so it's impossible to play anything perfectly in tune) [16:11] well, with an apc, it's possible to tune it and put it though a heat stab circuit [16:12] but the sound quality isn't going to be high nonetheless [16:12] what does it sound like? a theremin? [16:12] lf4 (n=KJR@c-98-202-108-40.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:12] Urchlay: theremins have sine waveform, so no, nothing like that [16:12] oh, right [16:13] but I mean, does it run the oscillator all the time, and you vary the pitch, so it "slides" from each note to the next? or has it got a keyboard or something? [16:13] half of my patches are triangle or saw, though [16:14] well, at the bare minimum, it uses two knobs(one for each osc) and has a cutoff freqency that is "noteoff" [16:14] Celio-BR (n=quassel@189.27.106.207.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:14] a keyboard or sequencer can be added to make it a bit easier to handle, musically [16:14] so it's like playing guitar by playing open strings and turning the tuning key [16:14] ah, ok [16:16] you lost me, I just play guitar but I want to get into mixing some garage tracks and adding guitar for very small parts [16:17] a couple of examples of an apc adapted to keybard or sequencer would be minthesizer(keyboard) or the "colossus"(sequencer) [16:17] be mostly drum, bass and keybaord [16:17] nv4Phil (n=phil@c-69-137-66-177.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:17] dive: real drums, or drum machine? [16:17] machine [16:17] hydrogen atm [16:17] hydrogen, does it use JACK? [16:17] anyone have any idea why my touchpad's tap-to-click quit working when I upgraded to 13.0? [16:18] Urchlay, yes jack [16:18] voice of saturn is an apc-based synth [16:18] so you can patch it into whatever audio recording app (ardour, audacity, ???) [16:18] nv4Phil, mine did too [16:18] nv4Phil: "man synaptics" might help you [16:19] hrm... not just me, then... I may have to sit and figure this out, later... [16:19] nv4Phil: Yes. [16:19] nv4Phil: I can provide the solution [16:19] nv4Phil chances are you've moved to HAL-smart setup and you now need an *.fdi for it. read "Changes & Hints" [16:19] nv4Phil, probably hal keymap fdi [16:19] phoenix89 (i=phoenix@69.26.205.215) joined ##slackware. [16:19] nv4Phil: in my case, the opposite happened: I hate tap-to-click, and upgrading to 13.0 made it start working, I had to mess with it until it stopped again [16:19] er what mancha said [16:19] hi eviljames [16:19] =) [16:20] nv4Phil, to be honest I haven't really missed it [16:20] From my reading on the situation: the defaults have changed. You can resolve this via fdi files as mentioned [16:20] OR you can set the options in xorg.conf [16:20] dive: hm, no hydrogen on SBo? [16:20] Urchlay, it's in pending [16:20] Urchlay: it's pending [16:20] okay. I'll have to do some searching later on, then... I'm about to head off to work. Thanks for the info. [16:20] Urchlay: i got a couple of synth programs pending too [16:21] I just happened to notice and said "damn..." lol. [16:21] OR you can use a shellscript to run some synclient commands to change it on the fly [16:21] Urchlay: http://github.com/eviljames/studios/ [16:21] interesting. I'll take a look this evening. [16:21] see y'all later [16:22] nv4Phil (n=phil@c-69-137-66-177.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:22] Urchlay: build scripts (some out dated but not hydrogen) for many audio softwares there. [16:22] deco, hou hou =) [16:22] Urchlay: although i can't claim credit for hydrogen [16:22] how are you =) [16:22] psyber (n=psyber@pool-71-240-140-215.hrbgpa.btas.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:22] Urchlay: that's dive's baby [16:23] ahhh, there's a slackware-studio git repo? I did not know that! [16:23] Urchlay: yup, sure is. [16:23] fredoslack: hey, good, ca va ? [16:24] deco, yes je vais bien, je tourne sous ma slack there =) [16:24] in that case, you guys want my rakarrack slackbuild? (I haven't sent it to SBo yet, wanted some testing first) [16:24] deco, j'aime bien ce petit salon [16:24] Urchlay: Currently, the only people working on slackware-studio are me, fire|bird and nyRednek. [16:24] i like this tchat room * [16:24] hexorcist (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:24] Urchlay: and dtanner, if/when he returns. [16:25] fredoslack: hehe :P [16:25] Man-erg (n=Man-erg@host-78-13-13-223.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:25] Urchlay: I'll pm you an e-mail address to send any build scripts to be added to our testing area. [16:25] if you so desire, that is. [16:25] eviljames: yeah, seems he's been dealing with some health issues, unfortunately. [16:25] and/or you can pull it from the hydrogen info [16:25] fire|bird: very, very unfortunate indeed. [16:26] eviljames: OK, just downloaded your whole repo, will have a look in hydrogen.info [16:26] that appears to have fire|bird's address, is that correct? [16:26] hmmmmm.... damn, i've spent the last hour watching anime at my desk... this is awesome :) [16:26] heya Necos [16:27] hey hey fire|bird [16:27] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [16:27] i remember you mentioning the slackware studio project before, what is it? [16:28] haha, hydrogen.SlackBuild has a line: # CHANGE THIS ON A PER-PACKAGE BASIS! AND DELETE THIS LINE, IDIOT! [16:28] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:28] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-13-212.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:28] Necos: a project for audio production on Slackware. [16:28] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-83-115.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:28] eh, what the heck is "scons"? (needed for that slackbuild apparently) [16:28] Urchlay: haha, that's eviljames doing, one of us forgot to remove it. :P [16:29] Urchlay: scons is on SBo. [16:29] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:29] yeah, I see it [16:29] haHAHAHAH [16:29] Urchlay: Woops :P [16:29] eviljames: you said you removed all those? :P [16:29] fire|bird: I *just* made that script the other day.. must not have grepped for "idiot" like usual. [16:30] hehehehe [16:30] hexorcist (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] eviljames: I'm gonna have to get a github account so I can go through and fix your screw ups. :P [16:30] hahah [16:30] eviljames, everything you make has your nick name embedded in it, "idiot" [16:30] I'll fix that right now [16:30] >.<;;; [16:30] I used to put "// Tim is too lame to delete this comment" in template files (Tim was my boss) [16:30] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:31] deco, donner pour donner, c'est la seule façon de vivre, c'est [16:31] la seule façon d'aimer [16:31] how do you traduct this please :p [16:31] tralsnat [16:31] hydrogen.SlackBuild thinks I don't have libsndfile installed (I do though) [16:31] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [16:31] give for give, [16:32] it's the unic way for love [16:32] the alone * [16:33] the test program contains: #include "sndfile.h" [16:33] fire|bird, linkify :) [16:33] which is the wrong way to include system headers (should be ) [16:33] That's odd. built fine for me, which is why it got into testing [16:34] http://dpaste.com/123090/ [16:34] built fine here too. [16:34] (that's /tmp/StS/hydrogen-0.9.4/config.log) [16:34] "" vs <> shouldn't make it die, it still looks in the system header dirs [16:35] unless the header is empty... [16:35] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [16:35] tuxdev: yeah, I know, it's wrong but shouldn't be fatal [16:35] i.e., the header file is a 0-length file [16:35] hello [16:36] Necos: that wouldn't have hurt anything, the #include line is *all* that's in the test program [16:36] Necos: besides, I know my libsndfile install is OK, I just compiled JACK to use it last night and it worked fine [16:36] for some definition of "program" [16:37] fixed the idiot line, anyhow. [16:37] doesn't the cpp try to load the header file and fail if it's empty? >.<; [16:37] lol [16:37] Necos: nope. It'll happily include an empty file [16:37] Necos, nope, empty headers are perfectly valid [16:37] just pointless [16:37] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102141836]" [16:37] i remember having a problem like that back with gcc 2.x [16:39] I'm relatively new to slackware. what app do you guys use to work with ipod on slack? [16:39] gsan_: amarok [16:39] gtkpod [16:40] zErOaCid (i=debian@unaffiliated/zErOaCid) joined ##slackware. [16:40] anyone uses banshee? [16:40] ok, here's the really hilarious thing: if I copy/paste the command from config.log, it works fine [16:40] gsan_: no mono [16:40] :P [16:40] so, what have we learned? scons is shit? [16:40] lol [16:40] Urchlay: it certainly is. [16:40] perhaps [16:40] Urchlay: But, it's the kind of shit we are stuck with, at least for hydrogen. [16:40] hydrogen, btw, is awesome :P [16:40] deco: slackbuilds has a package for mono for 13.0 [16:40] I don't like how it doesn't enforce the three-step process [16:41] higurashi no naku koro ni... this is the craziest shit lol [16:41] eviljames: there's a few others that use scons as well. [16:41] eviljames: the drum machine? [16:41] godling: yes [16:41] Necos, far crazier exists [16:41] godling: oui. [16:41] I try not to think too hard about it [16:41] well if it were a broken Makefile or autoconf script, I'd at least know how to start fixing it [16:41] andreas-- (n=andy@unaffiliated/slacky) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [16:41] i'm sure kai is even more insane... but i haven't watched it yet :P [16:42] the screenshot looks like the designer is lusting after Fruity Loops [16:42] FL is sweet tho >.> [16:42] jinro (n=jinro@166.137.4.151) joined ##slackware. [16:42] a little too sweet [16:42] ugh, scons equivalent of a Makefile is straight python code. No me hablo python... [16:43] lol [16:43] Fruity Loops is alright. [16:43] python needs to scrapped. the sooner the bettah [16:43] disagree. [16:43] jinro (n=jinro@166.137.4.151) left irc: Client Quit [16:43] with who? [16:43] who want to eat ? >> http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Manger/0038.gif [16:43] hu hu [16:44] mancha: disagree. [happy godlin?#!] [16:44] is slack-studio a complete project like slack64? or more like dropline? [16:44] I like bost::python way too much [16:44] mancha: I'm not making value judgements, for all I know it's a great language, it's just a language I don't know (I can half-assed read it, at least, but not write it properly) [16:44] fredoslack: nsfw? [16:44] Necos: More like dropline. right now it's just build scripts, but will eventually have packages available.. [16:44] godling, i come back [16:44] :( [16:44] what? [16:44] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-47-29.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [16:44] Urch, i guess it has a purpose...to remind us all of why perl is moar better :) [16:44] mancha: well yeah, I like perl a lot [16:44] stfu mancha [16:44] flames to /dev/null :P [16:45] hahahah [16:45] but I'm not here to knock python... just scons [16:45] perl < * [16:45] lol mancha :) [16:45] perl > * (there, fixed that for ya ej) [16:45] man, this series is freaky... lol [16:45] anyone who says that one language is better than every other language is either retarded or stupid. [16:45] if by ">" you are implying "more full of shit" [16:46] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:46] godling: Disagree. brainfuck > * [16:46] lol [16:46] turing complete, eh? [16:46] eviljames: you prove my point, sir. [16:47] godling: I say that perl is better than Atari 800 BASIC (unless of course you're actually using an Atari 800) [16:47] heh [16:47] i hope python devs keep maintaining linux pythons. i need to be reminded perl is moar much bettah [16:47] death to all fanatics! [16:47] I said "every other language" Urchlay. [16:47] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [16:48] oh, right, somehow I looked at "every" and saw "any", my mistake [16:48] scons has the same problem ant has IMO [16:48] I'm not even that good at english apparently [16:48] lol Urchlay [16:48] reading fail? [16:48] It's alright, because French is better than every other language. [16:48] esperanto is bestest [16:48] hello :) [16:48] tuxdev: that it's written in java and based on extra-enterprisey XML? [16:48] mancha: It certainly makes more sense than perl. [16:48] :P [16:48] hey gar0t0 [16:48] XML has got to be the absolute worst languge ever to use for a build system [16:49] python is only a little better [16:49] esperanto is moar better than EVERY other language in the milky way [16:49] lol XML is just... ugly :P [16:49] Action: mancha waits for godling's enlightened words of wisdom [16:49] xml is like elevator music. Everyone is vaguely annoyed by it, but nobody's quite annoyed enough to complain [16:49] mancha: what do paint chips taste like? [16:50] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:50] good evening slackers :-) [16:50] lol Urchlay [16:50] evening macavity, how are you? [16:50] it has it's uses. ant is not one of them [16:50] fire|bird: nothing short of fabulous! [16:50] fire|bird: and you? [16:50] hey macavity [16:50] macavity: I am great, thank you. :) [16:51] afternoon macavity [16:51] anyway I don't see why people keep wanting to replace make [16:51] cmake is interesting [16:51] I like make.. but it has limits [16:51] cmake sort of replaces autoconf, not make exactly... [16:52] make is so 2008 [16:52] nobody likes autotools [16:52] and it's very pretty with all the colors and stuff [16:52] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [16:52] Action: tuxdev is a CMake fanboy [16:52] it's just that everyone is too lazy to actually sit down and design something better, because it would be a rather large undertaking. [16:53] yep [16:53] and we have better things to do with our time lol [16:53] tuxdev: GNU Autotools or die ;-) [16:53] autotools DIAF [16:53] phil|macavity, how you doing tonight. [16:53] tuxdev: ... in case you didn't know, i am the resident GNU/FSF zealot :P [16:53] do you shower? [16:54] godling: at least autotools gives you enough information to diagnose the trouble... this scons error doesn't contain much real info at all [16:54] ++macavity; [16:54] mancha: golden or regular? :P [16:54] I'm on his side on this one, for sure. [16:54] Also, I'm the one who gives macavity his golden showers. [16:54] I've never used scons but I hear bad things. [16:54] hah, sick puppy you are [16:54] ew. [16:54] hahah, godling like the bad things from 30 minutes ago? [16:54] Or other bad things? [16:54] FSF is forever to be beaten into the afterworld along with the richard stallman fanclub [16:55] smallgoat (n=andy@host81-148-227-179.range81-148.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [16:55] eviljames: other stuff, too. [16:55] tecky... never! [16:55] tecky: Go read what Stallman writes. Stop judging him based on this anti-RMS community hoo-hah. [16:55] Man's a fscking genius. [16:55] It's easy to hate on rms [16:55] godling: Sure, for people ignorant of his message, it is very easy to hate on rms. [16:55] eviljames: actually yes, and i've talked with him on numerous occasions while attending RPI [16:55] no way eviljames [16:56] hexorcist (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:56] I don't buy his "you shouldn't be free to not be free" rhetoric he sometimes pulls [16:56] so, .... I'm going out on no limb and stating that he and FSF should roast in a towering inferno [16:56] it's harder to hate his message.. especially if you actually read it yourself rather than relying on Theo de Raat or Linus' seccond hand version [16:56] tecky: I've never had the pleasure, myself. Someday I will. [16:56] eviljames: http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/text/rms-vs-doctor.html [16:56] again, macavity ftw. [16:56] hexorcist (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:57] eviljames: the man has some serious character flaws [16:57] eviljames: *sigh* stop giving macavity a handjob, and think for yourself [16:57] that's about the only beef I have with RMS [16:57] anyways, i'm gonna go pour gas on a bonfire, i'll be back after the grassfire gets extinguished [16:58] tecky: -sigh- indeed, considering macavity was repeating what I had said above.. good reading skills, though. [16:58] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: "leaving" [16:58] godling: I'm not saying he's perfect in terms of character OR hygene. [16:59] he eats skins! [16:59] ack, skin * [16:59] godling: but I _DO_ think his work is important. [16:59] godling: I'd never use scons except that I want to build a piece of software someone else wrote that uses it [16:59] Urchlay: that's usually how it works :) [16:59] tecky: so, i take it, that you prefere BSD/L, MIT, or similar licenses over strong copyleft? [16:59] I wonder if it's a version problem... eviljames, what version of scons did you use for this? [17:00] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Connection timed out [17:00] Urchlay: 1.2.0 [17:00] I appear to have v1.2.0.r3842 [17:01] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.29.42) joined ##slackware. [17:01] err, the SBo version number is 1.2.0, that r3842 came from "scons --version" [17:02] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-255.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:02] engine: v1.2.0.r3842 <- scons --version [17:02] yep [17:02] so that's not my problem [17:03] has anyone built alienBOB's splashy package on 13_64? it keeps looking for glib2 in /usr/lib instead of /usr/lib64. [17:03] what is this error exactly again? [17:03] manwichmakeameal, did you change the ARCH to x86_64 ? [17:04] yeah, i used ARCH when running the script [17:04] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving." [17:04] ah, it hasn't been updated since slackware 12 manwichmakeameal [17:04] it should still work with ARCH=x86_64 though yeah? the script looks like it should [17:05] but, it looks like all of the 64-bit stuff is still there [17:05] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop." [17:05] yep, ARCH="x86_64" ./splashy.SlackBuild [17:05] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [17:05] tuxdev: this pretty much sums it up: http://dpaste.com/123099/ [17:06] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430523.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:06] Strike (n=Strike@adsl-55.91.140.90.tellas.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:06] here's the end of the output of running the script. http://pastebin.com/m3dce598e [17:06] omgroflmfao [17:06] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASAMs5S8-N8 [17:06] watch it [17:07] Urchlay, I'm being completely silly here, but you don't have any CFLAGS or CXXFLAGS set that could mess things up? [17:07] Urchlay: That is messed up. [17:07] tuxdev: the CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS are being set by the slackbuild script, here: http://dpaste.com/123103/ [17:08] tuxdev: if it matters, I do have ARCH=x86_64 exported in the environment [17:08] hrm hrm hrm [17:08] eviljames: did you try this script on 64-bit? [17:09] Urchlay: yep. [17:09] Urchlay: My machines all run slackware64 [17:09] I'm about to try it on 32-bit, just out of curiosity (I have an old 32-bit laptop here) [17:09] elops (n=lopa@94.187.123.123) joined ##slackware. [17:09] anyone also experienced that slackpkg is slower than slapt-get ? [17:10] perhaps, but did you change your slackpkg mirror? [17:10] change? [17:10] Also, I heard slapt-get was really good at hosing perfectly working systems. [17:10] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [17:11] But, I just use {install,upgrade,remove}pkg so I can't tell you firsthand. [17:11] ah [17:11] extremely good. pretty much have to blacklist all of a/, minimum [17:11] lotec (n=lotec@pool-71-180-225-52.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:11] at least the last time I tried it [17:11] its worked fine for me [17:12] elops: Pretty much, rsync from your local mirror, cd slackware ; su -c 'upgradepkg --install-new **/*t?z' [17:12] anyone looked at GoogleOS? [17:12] even done dist upgrades with it [17:12] elops: That should get you the latest/greatest. [17:13] yea [17:13] I just don't upgrade without a reason. And typically I do it by doing a clean install when I get new hardware. [17:13] lotec, looks interesting, but don't really care beyond that [17:13] Very stable that way. [17:13] stable and insecure [17:13] insecure? [17:14] Yeah. what about local / remote exploits that come up? [17:14] You don't follow slackware-security? [17:14] tuxdev: i installed it on vmware just to see it. I dont like it to much [17:14] lotec, well, it's not supposed to do much [17:14] the comments on ars technica are amusing [17:15] tuxdev: any insight? I'm still at a loss... [17:15] tuxdev: i just dont like the cloud computing way they are doing it i guess. [17:15] Urchlay, I don [17:15] eviljames: why would I? I don't run public services. Nothing to "secure". [17:15] Urchlay, I don't see anything either [17:16] maybe once I get home and try building it myself [17:16] elops: So if you nmap yourself absolutely nothing comes up? No one other than you has login access to the machine? [17:16] tuxdev: yeah, I was hoping something would jump out at you and you'd go "Oh! I've seen that before!" [17:16] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.136.158.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:16] eviljames, Correct [17:17] indochine (n=dasilva@201-75-15-125-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:17] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:17] initself (n=initself@170.sub-75-215-119.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [17:17] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [17:17] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:17] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left ##slackware. [17:19] besides permissions, what reason would an rc.d script have not to execute on boot? [17:19] define "not execute" [17:20] the script itself? the service it's trying to start? [17:20] because sometimes you want to start the service manually? [17:20] slava_dp (n=slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [17:21] its the rc.mysql file that comes with mysql [17:21] because you want the service not to start at all? [17:21] not the one that installs w the slack package [17:21] Nick change: indochine -> slackware-br [17:21] for example KDE uses mysql but it doesnt need it to be started [17:21] i had to run the script in rc.local [17:21] eviljames: OK, it fails in exactly the same way on 32-bit (as I kinda expected) [17:22] slackware-br (n=dasilva@201-75-15-125-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: [17:22] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "see you" [17:22] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:23] i wonder why KDE doesnt use sqlite [17:23] celio (n=quassel@200-96-146-9.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:23] the devs said they tried [17:24] but couldnt accomplish that for some reason. dont remember what it was [17:24] sqlite fails badly under concurrency [17:24] lost1nsp4c3 (n=lost1nsp@modemcable066.245-179-173.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:24] hey guys I'm trying to install pdfedit in slackware 13 i'm running into QT3 issues I was wondering if there is an easy way to get QT3 for slackware 13 without borking everything [17:25] lost1nsp4c3: look in extra/kde3-compat/ dir [17:25] install the qt3 package from /extra? [17:25] thanks =) [17:25] off to download it since i don't have the dvd with me [17:25] thanks for your help! [17:26] i still need to rebuild kontact 3.5 / kitchensync 3.5 since kde4 doesn't work with barry yet [17:26] initself (n=initself@170.sub-75-215-119.myvzw.com) left irc: "Bye" [17:26] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:27] or rather, akonadi doesn't play well with opensync yet [17:27] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@200.124.229.10) joined ##slackware. [17:28] lost1nsp4c3 (n=lost1nsp@modemcable066.245-179-173.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Client Quit [17:29] LitesterB (n=Litester@CPE0050ba681424-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [17:29] does anyone know why kscd isnt built in slackware? [17:30] fire|bird: try open this page in konqueror, and close it before it gets fully loaded: http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2009/02/19/kde-42-brings-the-mysql-server-to-the-desktop [17:30] fire|bird: does it crap out and crash on you too? [17:30] not here [17:31] it just froze konq here when i tried to close it because of that constantly updating "retreving image X out of Y" [17:31] macavity: nope [17:31] then after i clicked the tab a couple of times it crashed [17:31] fire|bird: try and let it run for a little while.. like long enough to read the main article :P [17:32] M-M (n=user@CPE001d0ff5b8e3-CM0011aec8b246.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:32] hehehe [17:33] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [17:33] what's kscd sahk0? [17:33] and damn, the end of that story arc was gnarly! [17:33] the kde4 cd player [17:33] kde3 too [17:33] is it part of the main kde packages? [17:33] fau__ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:33] kdemultimedia but the slackware package has only the documentation [17:33] macavity: nope, no crash. :P [17:34] it *might* require muscibrainz to build. thats just a guess [17:34] ok.. i just reproduced it [17:34] Celio-BR (n=quassel@200-96-146-9.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:34] but i cant see why a cd player wouldnt build for a thing like that [17:34] sometimes it just hangs for a while before closing the tab, other times it crashes [17:34] but that page does funny stuff.. it constantly updates somehow [17:35] sahk0, kscd was not the best cd player [17:35] sahk0, probably because it has extra deps that are not in slack >.> [17:35] slava_dp: im not looking for the best. i have a cd player [17:35] i mean a real cd player [17:35] not some software [17:36] if you look at the kde4 slackbuild script, it only builds things in the main packages that don't have external deps [17:36] I just use xmms myself.. [17:36] sahk0, it always had the problem with cddb tag encoding, showed the wrong one. and froze when i ejected the cdrom, had to restart it every time. [17:36] eviljames, tuxdev, etc: it's ccache causing my problem [17:36] ah [17:37] apparently something scons does is fundamentally incompatible with gcc being a symlink to ccache [17:37] weird [17:37] yeah [17:37] celio (n=quassel@200-96-146-9.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:37] anyone here that has managed to get decent performance with radeon HD4870? [17:37] slava_dp: in kde4? [17:37] in slackware64 13 and using the open source drivers :) [17:37] sahk0, in kde 4.1 as well as kde 3.5.10 [17:37] ccachei'm using radeonhd v3gard, but with an 1950XTX >.<; [17:38] ah ok. i have never used it im just wondering [17:38] Urchlay: tres bizarre.. [17:38] time for bugfiling! [17:38] ccache is interesting (damn silly mixed thoughts) [17:38] Necos: how many FPS do you get from glxgears? [17:38] @ v3gard: I have a hd3100 and it works great. only had to update libdrm [17:39] i was basically looking for a media player other than juk and amarok. noatun seemed decent but theres no kde4 version. qmmp is a no no [17:39] eviljames: I've run into a cmake build that would refuse to use ccache (it always used /usr/bin/gcc instead of the /usr/local/bin/gcc that was first in my PATH), but this is the first time I've seen it make a build fail [17:39] s/media/audio [17:39] manwichmakeameal: you just rebuilt libdrm from source and it worked just like that? [17:39] sahk0, i use audacious, but it's not very good. [17:39] manwichmakeameal: no voodo or hocus pocus? ;) [17:40] slava_dp: audacious is quite good imo. at least the 1.x.y versions ive used [17:40] eviljames: also, your script repo needs READMEs that say "this package requires such-and-such, available from ..." [17:40] Urchlay: yeah, hydrogen was done in a hurry. [17:40] nope, just used the newest one from freedesktop.org and it worked. i'll try to find the right link [17:40] Urchlay: BUT [17:40] slava_dp (n=slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:40] I used to use workbone a while back [17:41] Urchlay: there is a guide that is in progress (not updated for Slack 13 yet) to go along with the build scripts [17:41] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:41] i wish juk was more than a jukebox really. being able to use curl and add files on the fly [17:41] Urchlay: It outlines all of these things. [17:41] eviljames: fair enough, it's a WIP [17:41] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.21.63) joined ##slackware. [17:41] gnubien (n=e@97.100.244.209) joined ##slackware. [17:42] manwichmakeameal: this one? http://dri.freedesktop.org/libdrm/libdrm-2.4.15.tar.bz2 [17:42] why can I never remember the difference between audacious and audacity? [17:43] Urchlay: Indeed. Will become pretty comprehensive over time. [17:43] hexorcist (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:43] Urchlay: audacious is a player, audacity is a recorder [17:43] at least, iirc :P [17:43] yes [17:43] er eviljames, hydrogen SB? [17:43] eviljames: yeah, I know one's a player & the other's a recorder, I can never keep track of the names [17:43] yeah, audacity is more of an editor than a recorder [17:43] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [17:43] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [17:44] argh, that made my system hang :) [17:45] now hydrogen's failing because it's trying to use /opt/kde3/lib64/qt3/bin/uic (from extra/kde3-compat) instead of /usr/lib64/qt/bin/uic [17:45] grrrdammit [17:45] lol [17:45] Necos: glxgears? [17:45] Urchlay, eviljames, I have a hydrogen SB in pending which outlines the deps and most of the deps have been accepted on SBo [17:45] yeah [17:45] Urchlay: that must be due to your path... [17:45] v3gard: that's just the link to the package. that may work. there was a howto that i found but cant now. have you read this thread on lq? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/radeon-kms-works-760963/?highlight=kms [17:45] dive: apparently there's an "anti-dependency" here... [17:45] eviljames: no it's not [17:45] Urchlay, eh? [17:45] dive: Sweet! As long as that stays maintained it's one less piece of software for me to keep track of :P [17:46] they upgrade libdrm in that thread [17:46] eviljames: oh, wait, yes it is. Grrr. [17:46] dive: never mind [17:46] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@173-162-21-126-Nashville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:46] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:47] manwichmakeameal: ok. did you upgrade your kernel as well? just finished compiling a vanila 2.6.31 here, and on LQ they recommend a 2.6.32 RC [17:47] nope, just libdrm [17:47] i think the kernel upgrade is just for the kms. all i needed was better x performance [17:48] grr, fixing my PATH doesn't seem to help [17:48] because it's not, in fact, using the PATH to locate the uic binary ("which uic" shows /usr/bin/uic, which is a symlink to the qt4 one) [17:48] v3gard, i missed what you were saying earlier... [17:49] dagnachew (n=dagnache@modemcable230.220-179-173.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:49] hi all please help [17:49] Urchlay: oomph. How is scons attempting to find uic? [17:49] http://pastebin.ca/1680150 there is a new usb disk but no device [17:49] eviljames: I neither know nor care. What I did: mv /opt/kde3 /opt/kde3.disabled [17:50] heh [17:50] I shall move it back to /opt/kde3 after the build is done [17:50] v3gard: just found the link. http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd [17:51] I've already been told by an SBo admin that "-compat32 isn't supported", as in, they won't make even a trivial change to a slackbuild script to make it work in the presence of -compat32 packages. I wonder if that applies to extra/kde3-compat also [17:51] oh shit, they released 1.3.0 :) [17:52] (not that it matters now, this ain't an SBo script, but I assume you were going to submit it there eventually) [17:53] sorry v3gard this is the right link. http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd%3Ar6xx_r7xx_branch [17:53] oh, and for anyone still paying attention: scons was finding /usr/local/bin/gcc even with /usr/local/bin removed from the PATH (apparently it looks where it wants to, not where you tell it to) [17:54] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.22.87) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:54] lol [17:54] I had to "rm /usr/local/bin/gcc" (it was a symlink to ../../bin/ccache, easily replaced later) [17:54] "i'm listening to you, but i'm only hearing what i want to" "honey, that's called being a woman" [17:54] I'm going to go with "scons is a bitch" [17:54] lol [17:55] manwichmakeameal: ty [17:55] Necos: just asked how many FPS you got from glxgears [17:56] elops (n=lopa@94.187.123.123) left irc: [17:56] had to install ladspa as a dep for hydrogen, I had forgot ladspa even existed. It's pretty neat... [17:58] please help [17:58] anyone ? [17:58] I can't have a name for my removable device [17:58] kernel nam,e [17:59] dagnachew, your dmesg doesn't look finished - is there more after plugging drive in waiting some around 15secs? [18:00] dagnachew: is it partitioned yet? [18:00] macavity, yes already partitioned [18:01] check dmesg again and see if it was just slow to pick it up? [18:01] dive, macavity this is a newr dmesg http://pastebin.ca/1680177 [18:01] dagnachew, dmesg | tail pastebin please [18:02] ok.. that is strange [18:02] indeed [18:02] dagnachew: unplug, replug, wait 15-30 secs, dmesg -> pastebin [18:03] dagnachew, how many usb hubs do you have plugged in? And have you tried plugging it into other ports? [18:03] dive++ [18:03] and 'dmesg | tail' is fine ;-) [18:03] yes [18:04] what is the device? not a real hard drive is it? [18:04] (some of those are picky about the ports they plug into, need the full 500mA of power) [18:04] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:05] in fact I have one that needs 2 USB 2.0 ports, cause it needs a full amp [18:06] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [18:06] external PSU? [18:06] he says usb disk so I'm gonna think it's actually a drive rather than a stick or sth [18:06] GammalSokk (n=johskar@137.84-48-41.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:06] but who knows? [18:06] GammalSokk (n=johskar@137.84-48-41.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [18:06] Urchlay: what kind of flash drive requires a full amp?! [18:06] Urchlay: is it a spinning disk or some thing? [18:06] dive, mucho gracias !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [18:07] macavity, thanks for yor time [18:07] it worked [18:07] what worked? [18:07] \o/ victory! [18:07] eviljames: yes, a real hard drive [18:07] ok np, enjoy your slackin' :-) [18:07] Urchlay: Without an external power supply? [18:07] eviljames: correct [18:07] dagnachew: what did the trick? [18:07] weak. [18:07] eviljames: the thing is almost too annoying to use [18:08] Urchlay: Sounds like you can remove "almost" [18:08] sp4z (n=sp4z@unaffiliated/sp4z) joined ##slackware. [18:08] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackware-hrvatska.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:08] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackware-hrvatska.org) joined ##slackware. [18:09] my buddy had a 2.5" usb drive that would do 4200RPM when connected with one USB cable and 5400RPM when connected with both of them [18:09] current counts [18:09] macavity, plug it to another usb slot before it was on the foot of the monitor :( [18:10] thieusoai (i=406a15b3@gateway/web/freenode/x-duuwltjbktgfutyj) joined ##slackware. [18:10] dagnachew: then you probably had a USB hub -> USB hub -> drive [18:10] yeah look at the dmesg [18:10] dagnachew: that could very well confuse the driver.. it is still a bug imho [18:10] 3 hubs I think I counted and one is mobo, so 2 others [18:11] power drain [18:11] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.158.226.112.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [18:11] i wonder how well lkml would take that one.. "i cant connect an infinite number of USB hubs in a chain and have stuff work" :P [18:12] The-Croupier (n=agapi@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:12] USB is such a suckey standard [18:12] indeed [18:12] on this subject is anyone familiar with the USB ACPI? [18:12] iow, knows it well [18:12] macavity: wrong [18:13] but i am not keen on firewire allowing DMA either.. it seems to be the lesser of two evils [18:13] vastina: for mass storage it is.. fortunately eSATA seems to be the seccond comming of christ [18:14] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [18:14] macavity: haha! yeah i don't have much a need for the finer points of usb's mass storage capabilities, but i do need help with the ACPI power options [18:15] gym time [18:15] have a good one [18:15] sp4z (n=sp4z@unaffiliated/sp4z) left irc: "Leaving" [18:15] vastina: that is beyond me [18:15] macavity: 4200 rpm I think is all this thing does (or anyway, the drive that's in it right now) [18:15] lsusb -v reports per-port-power switching on my hub... now i need more fine grained control over the ports rather than going to /sys/bus/usb/devices/n-n/power for the whole thing [18:15] dagnachew (n=dagnache@modemcable230.220-179-173.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [18:16] vastina: http://www.linux-usb.org/FAQ.html [18:16] i've scoured /proc to no avail, and been all over the /sys/bus/usb/devices directory, and i'm not sure how i can get access to the power options of the ports to suspend them [18:17] macavity: been there, maybe i'm missing something but i didn't see the the ability to control individual power options for ports on my hub [18:17] ok, it looks like you will have to dig in the kernel source to get detailed info on that [18:18] Action: vastina head-desks [18:18] mehh! [18:18] all I've ever done is enable individual power management for usb devices in kernel, but that's as far as I got [18:19] yeah i appreciate it people... just having a day of lame trouble calls and not being able to toggle power to usb ports to control sensors [18:19] silvio_santos (n=roger@187.60.32.122) left irc: Client Quit [18:19] what a day! [18:19] at least it's friday hmm? [18:19] :) [18:19] do you know C? [18:20] yeah, why? [18:20] thieusoai (i=406a15b3@gateway/web/freenode/x-duuwltjbktgfutyj) left irc: "Page closed" [18:20] you may have to write your own app for this [18:20] i'm aware [18:20] unfortunately [18:20] Action: vastina will go back to his o'reilly writing device drivers for linux book [18:20] but trusting that you have googled sufficiently, drop the lkml a line with your problem [18:21] and ask.. maybe some of the devs have some local testing tools that can serve as a base.. maybe even a tool that will power off or on a ceartain port [18:21] the worst that can happen is that they go rude on you and you mv the mail to /dev/null [18:22] and, if they're rude enough, you might gain a little fame out of the deal! [18:22] coming from the bsd community, no rudeness from penguins will hurt much [18:22] lol [18:22] I think USB acpi is quite new for Linux so you may well be writing the drivers ;-) [18:22] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:22] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:23] in that case, lots of fame to be harvested :P [18:23] anyhow.. time to hit the bunk [18:23] night macavity [18:23] nn [18:23] nn good folks, users and hackers :-) [18:24] later macavity [18:24] vastina: If you do end up writing the drivers, make sure the commit message is like: "Wrote USB ACPI drivers becaues all the NOOBS who write the linux kernel were too stupid to do so." [18:24] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "...And fire|bird: sleep with your hands above the blanket! ;-)" [18:24] gsan_ (n=gsan@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:25] Celio-BR (n=quassel@200-96-146-9.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:27] lol at quit msg [18:28] hahahaha [18:28] hexorcist (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:29] don't worry we'll get him next time - I'll shoot his feet and you shout 'DANCE' [18:29] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [18:29] lol [18:29] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.29.42) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:29] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [18:29] hehehe [18:30] that'll be interesting indeed :) [18:33] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.158.226.112.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:34] giada (n=dana@217.201.16.74) joined ##slackware. [18:34] giada (n=dana@217.201.16.74) left ##slackware. [18:36] haha @ eviljames [18:37] that'll go over very well for me [18:38] ifconfig -a [18:38] shi--- 0:0 [18:38] hehe [18:38] I do "ls" all the time [18:38] :) [18:38] terminal memory is needed [18:39] might be one of my more common google searches [18:39] haha @ tuxdev [18:39] you lot have a good night, might bump in later [18:39] thanks for the words [18:40] n8 [18:40] see ya vastina [18:40] nn [18:40] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:41] hm, neat [18:41] mm? [18:42] hydrogen works, and qjackctl does let me direct its output into other jack apps (wasn't sure it was as straightforward as it looks) [18:42] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@109.76.63.78) joined ##slackware. [18:42] whee? [18:42] yah [18:43] the demo song sounds pretty wicked running through rakarrak's jet flange preset :) [18:43] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:43] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@200.124.229.10) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:43] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-165-129.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:45] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@93.107.195.92) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [18:46] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [18:46] now I remember how bad I hate programming drum machines... ugh [18:46] really? [18:46] I find hydrogen is super nice to work in. [18:48] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:49] no, it's not the app's fault that I hate programming drums :) [18:49] and it's definitely easier/nicer than the LCD-UI on my old alesis hr-16 [18:50] hitest (n=George@7conn228.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:51] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:52] though the hr-16, I could play it in real-time on the little pads, instead of programming (worked great for simple stuff) [18:53] make rock band drum set interface? [18:54] haha [18:54] actually there's a drum kit here, and enough mics... if I were doing something serious, I'd want real drums (which I can sort-of play) [18:55] I can at least play well enough to sample a verse's worth of playing, then loop it in $whatever [18:56] that floor tom needs a new head though [18:56] urch, my brother got a new sick ass keyboard [18:56] Strike (n=Strike@adsl-55.91.140.90.tellas.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [18:56] hooked it up to pro tools [18:56] looping the drums never sounds good. Should be a single, continuous live take. [18:56] Then again, I think that of all instruments. [18:56] what constitures a sick-ass keyboard? [18:56] i "bought" a bunch of expensive vst sofotware [18:56] i dunno, an expensive one [18:56] the size of a desk [18:56] eviljames: well, it probably would sound better than a strictly fake drum track made with hydrogen [18:56] Urchlay: Hydrogen actually has really nice humanization.. you can control the attack of each instrument on each beat. [18:57] eviljames: and I'm *not* a drummer, I can almost never make it through a whole song without screwing up at least once [18:57] and if you're ambitious enough, you could make slightly different patterns of those to *really* make it sound like a person. [18:57] Urchlay: right click on an instrument, fill then randomize velocity [18:57] yeah, I did some of that on the old alesis (it had like 16 volume levels) [18:58] oh, now *that* is a nice feature [18:58] Yeah. [18:58] had to do it manually on the alesis [18:58] Nick change: TClayton_ -> TClayton [18:58] So if you have a 16th note drumroll, you can have it accentuate on the beat just like a real drummer would. [18:59] just by slight velocity adjustments along the bottom of the interface there.. [18:59] I do wonder who set up the default order the drums go in [18:59] Some chump who fails at life. [18:59] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:59] MEW! [18:59] I re-order them immediatley after starting a session :P [18:59] greetings and salutations [18:59] greetings andarius, how are you? [19:00] in the UI I mean... I'd expect open/closed hi hat to be next to each other, low/mid/high tom together... [19:00] salutations fire|bird, I am well. you ? [19:00] Urchlay: exactly! instruments can be moved around by up & down arrows and I think drag & drop too. [19:00] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.61.55) left irc: "Leaving." [19:00] Urchlay: There are only a couple of drumkits that ship with it, but I think a fair number are available. [19:00] andarius: I am great, thank you. :) [19:01] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.29.42) joined ##slackware. [19:01] greetings andarius, it is good to see you:) [19:01] how hard is it to make a drum kit? just get some samples of me hitting drums, put in the right places? [19:01] oh, and an XML file [19:01] salutations hitest. same. hoe is the clan doing? all recovered ? [19:01] easy enough it looks like [19:01] anyone know how to break a root PW if you cant get in single user mode? [19:02] lotec: boot from CD, chroot, passwd [19:02] trying to log into Chrome OS as SU but dont have it [19:02] andarius: vmware image [19:02] I don't do VMs so no idea there [19:03] lotec, make mount it from outside the VM and make shadow hate you? [19:03] andarius: we are recovering, ty:) not quite there yet, but, getting there:) [19:03] hitest: glad to hear [19:03] Urchlay: Precisely whta it is. [19:03] tuxdev, hum might be able to get in anothe way. running OSX [19:05] hmm, so I've got a chunk of a song made, I want to copy the whole song and paste it onto the end (to make it twice as long)... how the heck do I do that? (click-drag doesn't work) [19:05] wait, OK, there's a teeny little thingy with balloon text "select mode". [19:05] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:05] Action: Urchlay is too blind to use fancy GUIs [19:06] hexorcist (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:06] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:06] grr, now I got the whole song selected but I don't see "copy" or "paste" options [19:07] I can drag the whole mess, but that moves it, doesn't copy it... grr. I shall stop with the running monologue, it just makes me look stupider than I really look [19:09] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:09] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:11] bbl [19:11] hitest (n=George@7conn228.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:13] wertik_rus|work (n=wertik@95-24-34-223.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [19:13] merciful (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:14] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] "dragging with the control key copies patterns". Not obvious. bleah. [19:16] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Ho_çakal1n | Bye bye" [19:18] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:20] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430523.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:20] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@209.189.246.113) joined ##slackware. [19:20] anyone uses skype here? [19:21] oddharjar (n=harjar@cFD945BC1.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [19:21] I have a dell inspiron 1525 and skype was working fine with my built in webcam, but today, it just stopped seeing the webcam. I don't get it. uvc module is loaded so is video module. [19:21] Idon't use it here. but I use it [19:22] in skype options: I see "no devices found". but it was there just yesterday. [19:22] I haven't uninstalled/installed anything since then [19:22] test it with another app [19:23] I haven't found any. pidgin doesn't see it either. [19:23] tuxdev (n=tgoya@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: "Leaving" [19:24] I would say find a video app, and test it. [19:24] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@d24-57-84-192.home.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:24] andarius: do you have a suggestion for such an application? [19:25] I do not, as I don't use a webcam [19:26] I think mplayer or xine can handle some [19:27] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:28] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [19:30] what is the linux browser that runs on the FireFox engine [19:31] epiphany? seamonkey? iceweasel? firefox? [19:31] epiphany that is it [19:31] I think epiphany is webkit these days [19:31] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [19:31] cryptic0, Does /dev/video0 exist? [19:32] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:32] i though that it's gecho [19:32] gecko [19:32] adamk_: actually now it's not. [19:32] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [19:32] Hence the problem. [19:32] adamk_: but thats where skype used to detect my video [19:32] why would the device disappear? [19:33] Maybe the drivers aren't detecting it. If it's USB, try unplugging it and plugging it back in. Watch dmesg to see if it sees it and loads the correct driver. [19:33] adamk_: it's a built-in webcam [19:33] adamk_: I am getting this line in dmesg: process `skype' is using obsolete setsockopt SO_BSDCOMPAT [19:33] look at dmesg [19:34] and lsusb [19:34] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [19:34] sup hommies [19:34] CLI fun [19:34] hi, i'm trying trying to install an app but i'm getting error: external compression utility xz missing [19:34] do u have slackware 13? [19:34] zErOaCid: ? [19:35] yes [19:35] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30D53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:35] how about sbopkg? [19:35] did you install xz-utils ? [19:35] er, just "xz" [19:35] did you install xz-utils? [19:35] winter: adamk_: lsusb detects the webcam Bus 001 Device 002: ID 05a9:2640 OmniVision Technologies, Inc. OV2640 Webcam [19:35] xz* [19:35] ;P [19:35] i think no [19:35] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30D53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [19:35] it comes with slackware 13 [19:35] cryptic0, That has nothing to do with the driver, though. [19:35] just showin the wife CLI [19:36] peace all [19:36] good luck w/ xz zErOaCid [19:36] where can i find that xz-utils ? [19:37] zErOaCid, xz ships with slackware. are you SURE you're on 13 ? [19:37] yes [19:37] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:37] can you run "cat /etc/*-version" and "ls /var/log/packages/xz*" ? [19:37] j0z (n=JESUS@189.115.84.52) joined ##slackware. [19:38] ahmm .. i was just doing minimal install [19:39] I don't think you're qualified [19:39] zErOaCid: its on the disc [19:40] TClayton: yeah i'm locating it [19:43] memo: if you're excluding stuff in "a" you're not gonna be happy [19:43] memo #2, if you are noob^100 then don't fuck with the install [19:43] memo #3: memorize memos #1 and #2 [19:43] yoyoned (n=todd@99-28-32-154.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:44] memo #4: refer to memo #3 [19:44] memo #5 full install minus the de you dont use works well [19:45] hrmm lesse, this sysvinit thing in "a" seems unimportant. lemme exclude it [19:45] lol [19:46] that's why you should read the directions carefully [19:46] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:46] memo #6: no poofters! [19:46] memo #7: there is no memo #7 [19:46] memo #8: no poofters! [19:47] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@190.191.43.170) joined ##slackware. [19:47] and that is how Urch single-handedly put an end to the san francisco slackware users group, sfslug [19:47] Action: mancha ducks [19:48] lol [19:48] lol [19:48] heh, I'm from atlanta, I think we now outrank SF in the gay demographic [19:48] Action: The_Seeker is pining for the fjords [19:48] lucky you [19:49] not on this side of ATL [19:49] the only time it affects me is if I get stuck in traffic during one of the pride parades [19:49] I been a member of a lug for a couple of years now - still never been to a moot [19:49] thank goodness [19:49] not on this side either, I'm in acworth now... banjo-land [19:50] anyway, on a more serious note... memo #6 should be "don't bother to download or install all of kdei" [19:50] play us some bluegrass! [19:51] don't the kde libs have some massive zero days now? [19:51] dunno [19:51] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:51] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:51] was just talking about the support for 3000 languages, nobody speaks all of them [19:52] half those are prolly chinese dialects too! [19:52] thought chinese written language was all the same, it's only spoken that the dialects were different... ? [19:53] well, there are ~20,000 chinese characters, and sometimes the meanings are shifted around [19:53] whoa... "If you want support for controlling ardour via a wiimote device, you'll need to pass WIIMOTE=yes to the script. You need cwiid for that." [19:53] I had no idea anyone but me ever used cwiid [19:53] >.> [19:54] wtf [19:54] yeah I saw that too [19:54] wiimote ftw? [19:54] the day I buy a wii will be the day hell freezes over [19:54] hmm getting chilly.. [19:54] I don't have a wii, just a wiimote [19:55] urch did you ever get ipf for 2.6.31? [19:55] vianna (i=bd1f3edb@gateway/web/freenode/x-jusrecfcpbbgyvkd) joined ##slackware. [19:55] with the "classic pad" it makes a decent general-purpose game controller [19:55] mancha: no, not even looked at it, I still haven't got x86_64 ipf working for 2.6.29.6 [19:56] frullet_ (n=hooch@124-170-229-112.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [19:56] ah ok. [19:56] I might as well submit it with DOWNLOAD_x86_64="UNSUPPORTED", I'll probably never mess with it further [19:56] freaks on a leash! [19:56] frullet (n=hooch@203-206-3-51.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [19:58] i gotta figgle out the new structure for mb_tis all [19:58] i gotta figgle out the new structure for mb_t is all [20:01] Australian summers are so brutal.. [20:03] eucalyptis trees burn so easily, i seen australia burn up last year on the news [20:06] hm. Anyone built fftw from SBo lately? [20:06] bleeding thing seems to be stuck in an infinite loop, compiling over & over... [20:07] or not... hm [20:07] script actually compiles it 3 times with 3 different --enable-blah flags. Nevermind. [20:08] gem_cat (n=gem@207-119-19-235.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [20:12] I recompiled my kernel and now lilo tells me it is too big ......overlaps second stage - will I be able to trim enough to satisfy lilo or what do I need do? [20:13] did you run lilo after you installed your new kernel? [20:14] and make sure /etc/lilo.conf is correct [20:14] yes but maybe I am out of sequence in several tries = I will do that [20:15] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:15] gem_cat: add large-memory to lilo [20:16] thanks for the reminder Pig_Pen - but since I will recompile what can I leave out? is there a guide? [20:16] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [20:17] Wiat nevermind. that was for a different problem [20:17] fau__ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [20:17] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:18] i would suggest slackbook or something that has a good walkthru [20:19] I am using slackbook - I will just go thru and unselect everything I know doesnt apply (laptop stuff for example) [20:20] I am sure there are lots of modules I dont need also [20:21] thanks - I will let you know how it turns out [20:21] modules do not incress the size of the kernel by much at all [20:21] some things will require either being embedded in the kernel image or if it is built as a module then an initrd.img made [20:22] filesystem, chipset, IDE either PATA or SATA [20:22] thanks Pig_Pen I will try that [20:23] bbl [20:23] gem_cat (n=gem@207-119-19-235.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: "vanishes with a small pop" [20:27] urch, i took your comment to mean you'd do it $never so i just finished patching that puppy up :) [20:29] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [20:31] phoenix89 (i=phoenix@69.26.205.215) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:33] nite all [20:33] The_Seeker (n=seeker@90.200.153.19) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:36] vianna (i=bd1f3edb@gateway/web/freenode/x-jusrecfcpbbgyvkd) left irc: [20:38] Patzy_ (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:50] Utility (n=bicenten@211.180.33.122) joined ##slackware. [20:53] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-174-54-144-240.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:54] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:55] fiyawerx (i=fiyawerx@174.54.144.240) joined ##slackware. [20:57] briareus (n=briareus@ip24-251-35-116.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:00] has anyone here ever tried to mount a cell phone with a cd card as mass storage? [21:00] sd card* [21:01] yelsn (n=none@cm103-236.madisontelco.com) joined ##slackware. [21:04] lotec (n=lotec@pool-71-180-225-52.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "And Punt" [21:05] simplex (n=simplex@twopenguins.it) left irc: Nick collision from services. [21:05] simplex (n=simplex@twopenguins.it) joined ##slackware. [21:05] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. 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[21:09] Action: Utility makes sure he's not in #debian [21:09] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.207.180) left irc: SendQ exceeded [21:10] frimer (i=frimer@85.17.92.45) left irc: No route to host [21:10] edman007_: well, some religions say that it doesnt matter [21:10] Utility: worse, #ubuntu. :o [21:10] :zen: [21:10] i'm trying to get music to the sd card in my phone [21:10] edman007_ (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: [21:10] it's not that important i guess [21:11] Reticenti: good work, ya scared him off. [21:11] :P [21:11] Reticenti, uh usually you just plug in the adapter into your USB and it works [21:11] at least for me it did [21:11] Reticenti, don't ask to ask, that will never get you anywhere on irc [21:11] you will probably need to use MP3 though [21:11] edman007: when did i ask to ask? [21:11] i asked a direct question [21:11] has anyone here ever tried to mount a cell phone with a cd card as mass storage? [21:11] velusip (n=velusip@fatwire-204-46.uniserve.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:11] why would it matter? get to the actual question [21:11] thts pretty direct if you ask me [21:12] he's asking if anyone has experience in doing what he is trying to do so that he can ask someone who actually knows how to help him [21:12] has anyone here ever had any luck mounting a cell phone with a cd card as mass storage? [21:12] is that better? [21:12] Reticenti, what mount command are you trying? [21:12] really? you want to know if someone has done that just for information? You don't have an underlying problem/issue that triggered that question? [21:13] yes but it's better than sitting here spamming every 15 minutes "anyone know how to mount ____" [21:13] Reticenti, because you followed it up with " i'm trying to get music to the sd card in my phone", so maybe you could just start by explaining what problem you are having trying to get the music off the phone [21:13] edman007: no, i was just thinking up theoratical things that might happen, theres no way that I could actually want to know this info [21:14] i bet there has to be some special network device driver needed to use a cellphone as a modem [21:14] Reticenti, so i gather you're trying to mount the sd card and it's not working. what have you tried so far? [21:14] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.65.53) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:14] Pig_Pen: don't need it as a modem, jsut trying to use it as mass storage [21:14] ah, ok [21:14] (for me i just remove the mini SD, plug into adapter for USB, then plug into my laptop and it works) [21:15] Utility: I can see that the computer recognized the cell phone, but I dont see where it's located [21:15] Reticenti, alright, well the answer is "yes" [21:15] and that fully answers your question [21:15] mount says it's in /proc/bus/usb, (i think) [21:15] Reticenti, i would recommend not plugging your cell phone into the usb [21:16] why not? [21:16] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [21:16] instead, remove the sd card from the cell phone and use a USB adapter [21:16] and if i dont have a usb adapter? [21:16] because one is more universal and will probably work, versus the other don't? [21:16] do you have a "step up" adapter like mini SD to normal SD ? [21:16] ok, well, it's not that important [21:16] yeah, but no way to read a real sd card [21:16] does your cell phone have bluetooth? [21:16] and too poor to buy an adapter lol [21:17] yeah, but no bluetooth on the desktop [21:17] ok well i guess you're going to have to borrow someone's adapter [21:17] Reticenti, what phone? [21:17] yeah [21:17] as for the USB into cell phone, i've never tried it [21:17] lg env3 [21:17] i've googled around for it [21:17] but all the solutions are for ubunununutu [21:18] what does /var/log/messages have to say about that cellphone when you plug it in? maybe a /dev/??? you can give a mountpoint to? [21:19] plug it in and do "dmesg | tail" [21:19] this is from the cell phone in /var/log/messages [21:19] Reticenti, Phone Settings. Press Menu > Setting & Tools (2) > USB Mass Storage (9) > Press OK tried that? [21:19] kernel: cdc_acm 2-5:1.0: ttyACM0: USB ACM device [21:19] (same thing Pig_Pen said basically) [21:19] velusip (n=velusip@fatwire-204-46.uniserve.ca) left irc: [21:19] jonsmith1982: no option for that [21:19] phoenix89 (n=phoenix@ip68-2-20-163.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:20] doesnt show under fdisk -l ? [21:20] nopw [21:20] whats an ACM device? [21:20] nope* [21:20] don't know ;\ [21:20] http://www.google.com/ enter USB ACM device [21:20] abstract control model [21:20] The drivers/usb/class/cdc-acm.c drivers works with USB modems and USB ISDN terminal [21:20] 32 adapters that conform to the Universal Serial Bus Communication Device Class [21:20] 33 Abstract Control Model (USB CDC ACM) specification. [21:21] USB CDC (Communications Device Class) ACM (Abstract Control Model) is a vendor-independent publicly documented protocol that can be used for emulating serial ports over USB [21:21] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-198-154.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:21] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [21:22] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.21.63) left irc: Success [21:22] ah, so it wants to use it like a wifi modem network thingy [21:22] ah [21:23] it's in /dev/ttyACM0 [21:23] buuuuuut it's not a block device [21:23] if that cellphone has a removable memory card you will have to plug it in separate from the phone to mount it [21:24] escaflown (n=elom@24.65.83.244) joined ##slackware. [21:24] look around in your options on the phone and see if it has a way to tell it NOT to use it as a modem [21:24] oh, ok [21:24] like to disable that feature [21:24] yeah [21:24] maybe then it will register as a USB device [21:24] er mass storage [21:24] dont think i can [21:24] it wants to use the verizoin sync thing [21:24] verizon* [21:24] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: "Fui embora" [21:31] eddo (n=eddojh@200.23.135.193) joined ##slackware. [21:32] hi everybody! [21:32] hola senor eddo! [21:32] hola [21:33] KirbyRosenberg (n=krosenbe@24.159.166.178) joined ##slackware. [21:34] soooooooo [21:34] Reticenti, do you speak spanish? [21:39] gnash almost works [21:39] fluke (n=fluke@86-45-85-201-dynamic.b-ras2.srl.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [21:39] gnash ¬¬ [21:39] almost only counts with horseshoes and handgrenades [21:39] ^kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@93.195.12.22) joined ##slackware. [21:40] how does it count w/ a handgrenade? [21:40] i can see horsehoes .... but handgren's ? [21:40] you dont want to be near one when it goes off [21:41] and 'almost' effects that how? [21:41] almost = close [21:42] eddo, i toko 2 years in high school, so no :\ [21:42] =D [21:42] took* [21:43] also, i jsut installed songbird, it's much much better than amorak [21:43] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [21:44] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-141-152-144-238.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:44] heya MLanden, how's it going? [21:44] heya,slackers...how's everyone? [21:44] goin' good thanks fire|bird...and you? [21:45] speaking of music, Neil Young & Crazyhorse! ftw [21:45] MLanden: great, thank you. :) [21:45] i'm listening to the flac rip of the beatles remastered discography [21:45] fluke (n=fluke@86-45-85-201-dynamic.b-ras2.srl.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:46] Reticenti: where you at in the discography? rubber soul? sgt. peppers? [21:46] abbey road [21:46] i've been listening to it for a few weeks now though [21:46] mostly on random [21:49] beatles suck [21:49] you must not like rock and roll [21:49] because everything rock and roll is absed on the beatles [21:50] based* [21:50] its satanic [21:50] indeed [21:50] you get rock and some roll, it's better than peanut butter and jelly :D [21:50] Action: andarius likes rock but not the beattles [21:50] ... [21:50] beatles are shite [21:50] is that a reference to billy joel as quoted in fortunes ? [21:50] ;) [21:51] dont worry, it's more of a billy who? reference :D [21:51] billy idol [21:51] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [21:51] Pig_Pen: What from Neil Young are you listening to? [21:52] phil collins > * [21:52] barry manilow? :) [21:52] lotec (n=lotec@pool-71-180-225-52.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:52] cowgirl in the sand (the rockin' one with crazyhorse) [21:53] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:53] sweet....like that one as well as the Byrds' version [21:53] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-198-176.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:53] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] KirbyRosenberg (n=krosenbe@24.159.166.178) left irc: "Leaving" [21:54] w00t! Running -current for the first time :-) [21:55] Legalize weed in California next year [21:55] it should be legalized nationwide [21:55] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:55] exactly... after every state copies California the Federal ban will fall [21:56] KirbyRosenberg (n=krosenbe@24.159.166.178) joined ##slackware. [21:56] Rolenun: i only know it because i have fortune -so in my systemwide bashrc ske [21:56] ske l [21:57] PeanutHorst: hehehe, it was impressive anyways :) [21:57] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [21:57] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30D53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:58] http://i49.tinypic.com/awdxs1.jpg [21:58] i upload 4 u [21:59] well [21:59] that's very gay. [21:59] but i can beat it. [21:59] http://s239.photobucket.com/albums/ff301/midnightcommando/Livejournal use only/?action=view¤t=Yirismallcrop.jpg [21:59] that's a bantowner and ed sysop in drag. [22:00] who the Hell is that? The Beatles and David Bowie? [22:00] you call that a url [22:00] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-198-176.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:00] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [22:00] john lennon puttin' on t3h gh3y? with who? [22:00] harry potter [22:01] PeanutHorst, so, uhh, thats you huh? [22:01] i think [22:01] y0 Rat409 [22:01] hey, if you can't cut-and-paste you can't appreciate a jpeg anyway [22:01] edman007: no, that isn't. that's yirimyah of ed [22:01] i dont understand what use only/?action= means [22:01] http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff301/midnightcommando/Livejournal%20use%20only/Horst-selfportrait-20090901-web.jpg this is me [22:01] hey fire|bird [22:01] PeanutHorst, first one looks more like you [22:02] hi fire|bird [22:02] http://s239.photobucket.com/albums/ff301/midnightcommando/Livejournal use only/?action=view¤t=Yirismallcrop.jpg [22:02] heya,edman007 [22:02] hey edman007 [22:02] hey edman007 [22:02] Action: edman007 waves [22:03] oa '' [22:03] Action: hitest waves back at edman007 [22:03] Action: KirbyRosenberg waves at the monitor [22:03] lol [22:03] HELLO FRIENDS! [22:03] Action: edman007 waves at the monitor [22:03] hi monitor [22:03] o/ [22:04] /o/ \o/ \o\ [22:04] \o/ [22:04] ..\o_ [22:04] /o\ <- deformed [22:04] \o\ \o_ _o/ /o/ [22:04] _o\.. [22:04] pow deformed [22:05] _*\.. [22:05] _ [22:05] 00 89 and 00 98 w000t w00t! [22:05] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-47-29.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [22:05] wo0O0ot [22:05] \/o [22:05] .....genius [22:05] o\/ [22:06] how you come up with such deformities [22:06] i believe that it is hypocrisy to get upset when people "ask to ask" yet then play with ASCII art in the channel. [22:06] Utility: lurk moar [22:07] who, did a regular expresion bomb go off in here? [22:07] ^No$ [22:08] s/^/no$/gi [22:08] Utility, nobody got upset... [22:08] cock [22:08] cock in a good way [22:08] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:09] \o\ \o/ /o/ /o_ |o\ /o\ /o| _o| _o/ \o/ [22:10] double dislocated shoulders ftl [22:14] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:15] eddo (n=eddojh@200.23.135.193) left irc: "Leaving" [22:17] who scared away all my friends! [22:19] nv4Phil (n=phil@96-24-254-57.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] after all these years [22:19] i still use xmms [22:19] i almost cried when slackware removed it [22:21] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:22] xmms is nice, works very well. why not use it :) [22:22] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-47-29.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [22:24] lotec (n=lotec@pool-71-180-225-52.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:26] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-47-29.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [22:26] thats what i use, xmms for audio and mplayer for vids [22:27] hello all [22:27] i use songbird for audio and vlc for video [22:27] ello not all [22:28] on directory /boot/ how would I know which one I'm using? [22:28] which what ? [22:28] sorry [22:28] Hi Masterx831 [22:28] Been trying Goggles Music Manager for audio [22:29] I'm trying to copy the kernel image to /boot/ [22:29] how would i know which one to chooose [22:30] $src/arch/i386/boot/bzImage [22:30] yeah i know that par t [22:30] but to where [22:30] /boot/$whatever [22:30] where in the world did slack 13 hide xorg.conf [22:30] but /boot/vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.27.7-smp [22:30] ? [22:30] i have a lot [22:31] make a new one, over writing kernels is not wise unless you know why you are over writing it [22:31] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) got netsplit. [22:31] frimer_ (i=frimer@85.17.92.45) got netsplit. [22:31] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) got netsplit. [22:31] oddharjar (n=harjar@cFD945BC1.dhcp.bluecom.no) got netsplit. [22:31] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) got netsplit. [22:31] retsudo (n=retsudo@unaffiliated/retsudo) got netsplit. [22:31] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) got netsplit. [22:31] andarius: good point thank you :-) [22:32] Masterx831: /etc/lilo.conf [22:33] /boot/mykernel then add to lilo.conf......lilo -v .....done [22:33] nv4Phil: /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? [22:33] Rat409 (n=nobody@205.209.95.49) joined ##slackware. [22:34] KirbyRosenberg: thanks [22:34] andarius: I jsut enabled HT [22:34] is that okay to over wright it [22:34] I would not [22:34] KirbyRosenberg: not there... there's an xorg.conf-vesa there, which I thought I had saved a while back ago... but not a plain old xorg.conf [22:34] I always leave the last running kernel in place for a recovery/backup option [22:35] I highly recommend you add a section to /etc/lilo.conf for your new kernel as well rather than editing the working one [22:35] Rat409_ (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [22:35] Rat409 (n=nobody@205.209.95.49) left irc: Killed by sagan.freenode.net (Nick collision) [22:35] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [22:35] frimer_ (i=frimer@85.17.92.45) returned to ##slackware. [22:35] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) returned to ##slackware. [22:35] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) returned to ##slackware. [22:35] oddharjar (n=harjar@cFD945BC1.dhcp.bluecom.no) returned to ##slackware. [22:35] retsudo (n=retsudo@unaffiliated/retsudo) returned to ##slackware. [22:35] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) returned to ##slackware. [22:35] once you have it working right just set a "default=$imagename" line at the top of /etc/lilo.conf [22:35] andarius: oh ok so by making a new one i have to edit /etc/lilo.conf right? [22:35] /var/log/Xorg.0.log mentions an automatic configuration of some sort. [22:35] yes [22:35] frimer_ (i=frimer@85.17.92.45) left irc: Connection reset by peer [22:36] is that new with slack 13? [22:36] thanks [22:36] yeah, until you get building kernels down perfectly you better keep a working stock kernel installed side by side with your kernel builds [22:36] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [22:36] Action: fredoslack love slackware [22:36] listening to dark side of the moon now [22:36] even once you get things perfect, what can it hurt to keep a backup/recovery install kernel on hand :) [22:37] nv4Phil: slackwre 13 doesnt need one. but you can put one in there [22:37] Reticenti: ever care for early Pink Floyd? when Syd was still with 'em? [22:37] i have an xorg.conf [22:38] cuz im awesome [22:38] Action: andarius has one to use the nvidia driver module [22:38] yea [22:39] great... so slackware 13 didn't build one lol... so I need to do so, then, in order to have custom settings? (such as the tap-to-click being enabled...) [22:39] Reticenti: Easy Star All Stars - Dub Side Of The Moon - 05 - Money.mp3 [22:39] you can create one and only add the things you want to specify [22:39] MLanden: all i have downloaded is the wall and dsotm [22:39] but i have access to everything [22:40] nv4Phil: theres xorg-config xorgcfg xorg-setup and lots of ways to make one... 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[22:42] floyd* [22:43] ls /var/log/Xorg.0.log [22:43] bahh, s/ls/less/ [22:43] s/less/tac/ [22:43] hehe cat backwards...useful, never knew about it [22:43] both work ;) [22:43] it mentions both "vesa" and "ati"...interesting [22:44] how long has tac been in core utils [22:44] it will likely default to vesa [22:44] pray that my enabling HT works out about to shutdown -r now [22:45] dont need to pray if you have old kernel still in lilo [22:45] Masterx831: why did you rebuild a stock kernel for that ? [22:45] slackware supports that out of the box [22:45] well, at least it used to. not checked a recent kernel [22:45] 2.6.32-rc7 [22:45] Masterx831 (i=1000@adsl-235-213-125.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:46] rc8 is out! w0t w0t [22:47] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:47] hey whats the TAR shortcut for xz??? [22:47] there better be one [22:47] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@190.191.43.170) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [22:48] a pipe [22:48] you guys see how the TLS/SSL renegotiation disable broke tor? gotta upgrade to 0.2.2.6-alpha [22:49] andarius: someone here said there was a shortcut in tar [22:49] don't think so but there may be. "man tar" [22:49] Reticenti: the Piper at the Gates Of Dawn and Saucerful of Secrets...but note,that it was during their psych period [22:49] i've checked that [22:49] it was something weird [22:50] guess i can read the source [22:50] MLanden: i just started the 1968 mono vinyl rip download :) [22:50] of pipers [22:50] err, saucer [22:50] Reticenti: cool [22:51] Pink Floyd - A Saucerful of Secrets/05 - A Saucerful of Secrets.mp3 [22:51] there was a hell of a lot of good bands that played the Fillmore East in NYC, if i had a time machines i would love to go back to mid 1960's [22:52] building 2.6.32-rc8 [22:52] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:53] did anyone fix the fact that glibc-i18n package is pointless since all locale crap is in glibc package also ? [22:54] i removed i18n and it removed NOTHING [22:54] even though slack-desc says it can be removed if you only use english [22:54] Pig_Pen: any particular band? [22:54] Pig_Pen: i have a time machine i can sell you [22:55] but you need your own crystals [22:55] a device that can slow the flow of time?....cool......fire away....:D [22:56] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [22:56] thats called a pipe [22:58] Kiboney_Dude, like him ? :p http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Fume/0072.gif [22:58] KirbyRosenberg * [23:00] bob dobbs > him [23:01] lots of em, Grateful Dead, Almann Brothers band, Neil Young & Crazy Horse, wikipedia has a list [23:01] Miles Davis if you like jazz [23:02] fredoslack: http://www.subgenius.com/Graffix/dobbs.jpg [23:02] lol KirbyRosenberg [23:03] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: "leaving" [23:03] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:03] fredoslack: http://forums.gentoo.org/images/avatars/422847870493516947aad1.gif [23:04] lool [23:04] hear ya,Pig_Pen [23:08] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.207.180) joined ##slackware. [23:12] nv4Phil (n=phil@96-24-254-57.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:12] good friday evening all. :D [23:12] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:12] laters, sleepytime for me [23:12] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [23:12] hell yes it's Friday [23:12] antiwire++ [23:12] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." [23:12] Evenin', agentc0re [23:12] nv4Phil (n=phil@96-24-254-57.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [23:13] Everything that could break, broke today. I am glad to be home [23:13] antiwire: gotta love those days. [23:14] I blame the carriers ;) [23:15] gotta blame someone. It's never your fault. [23:15] absolutely. [23:15] We swapped out (3) three!...T1 PRI cards and the carrier still claimed it was us [23:15] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [23:15] so i didn't know this until recently but exchange 2007 and now 2010 don't come with outlook licenses afaik. [23:16] So we have the CO do a retest with loop backs installed and magically the line comes back and they never give us a call back..gee... [23:16] wb,fire|bird [23:17] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [23:17] as the customer, i've never felt a responsiblity to call the telco vendor back though. [23:17] thank you MLanden [23:17] lol [23:17] unless my shit still isn't working. [23:17] exactly [23:17] so by deduction, they found their issue which wasn't our issue and fixed it [23:18] but it seems like you work for a smaller telco company, right? See i feel this way because i've only dealt with qwest/echelon/integra... [23:18] we hadn't been to that client's site in years and then out of no where the PRI goes down [23:18] antiwire: not always true. [23:19] antiwire: i've had some pri problems that qwest has claimed to do nothing, and i have done nothing(during this waiting time to hear back from them) and it magically fixes itself. [23:19] ah ... synclient "TapButton1=1" fixes my tapping problem... now, when I restart X, will it stay? [23:19] I blame the cosmic rays. [23:19] Right. At first we thought a card failed so we swapped it out three times with the same errors. The CO says "we see your gear dropping off". So we go to the closet and look at the CO's card at the demarc and even with a loop back installed their card had errors [23:20] then magically after the CO retests the line it comes back [23:20] omgwtf [23:20] guess I'll restart and see.... didn't want to have to keep /join'ing and /quit'ing [23:20] nv4Phil (n=phil@96-24-254-57.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:21] nv4Phil: turn autojoin off for the meantime .. [23:21] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [23:21] see, The cisco courses talk about Layers 1-7....but we all know about layers 8 and 9 [23:21] people...and money. [23:21] nv4Phil (n=phil@96-24-254-57.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [23:21] for some reason when you said that i thought of shrek and when he says, "Ogre's are like Onions".. [23:22] so... synclient only saves the setting for the duration of the X session [23:22] cuz onions have layers.. [23:22] 90% of the problems are not layers 1-7, they are layer 8 or 9 problems [23:22] mostly people. [23:23] mostly yep [23:23] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] where is it pulling the settings for the synaptics touchpad driver, when I don't (yet) have an xorg.conf ... [23:23] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-47-29.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:23] because honestly, the gear is pretty solid [23:24] W|GGL|T_ (n=ron@c-68-33-193-204.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:24] nv4Phil: It is getting information from HAL [23:24] unixfool (n=ron@c-68-33-193-204.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [23:24] nv4Phil: it takes a decent guess and gives it a shot [23:24] but the gear is made by people.. [23:24] W|GGL|T (n=ron@c-68-33-193-204.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:24] hardware abstraction layer? [23:24] and people are the problem. [23:24] it's a vicious cycle. [23:24] the circle jerk of life [23:25] sometimes it's hard to say what's going on either end. i think no matter what though the person on end A is always going to thing end B is a jackass and isn't doing something right. [23:25] for "taking a guess", X sure has come a long way... I remember in 1999 when it took me a minimum of two days to set up a working display on X [23:26] agentc0re: that's exactly what happens. Everyone shows up and blames the other company but in the end everyone also takes credit [23:26] oh my god http://halbot.haluze.sk/image/19728 [23:27] customer could have a bad CSU.. /shrug. When we moved to our new phone system we kept the old CSU's we had that went with the old system. They worked, never had problems... why not, right? [23:27] (probably took everyone else about 15-20 minutes, but that's what I get for having a messed up brain) [23:27] there is the circuit provider, the carrier, the customer premise equipment provider and the customer, but everyone *knows* it's not their fault [23:28] Kirby good grief, is the individual on the left, in that photo, supposed to be a guy?! [23:28] diogenes_of_sino (n=diogenes@adsl-99-151-125-154.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:28] antiwire: so we start having PRI problems (i have 1PRI and 1 t1(LD t1).). Call up qwest because i see an alarm and error light on the CSU. They do something testing.. blah blah, hour later i restart the CSU and the phone system card again and it's working. [23:28] haha [23:28] agentc0re: GD phone system providers right? [23:28] lol [23:29] antiwire: mind you, both the CSU and T1 card in the phone system had been restarted while on the phone with qwest before the call got escalated. GD? [23:29] rworkman: you have exactly 777 friends on facebook. [23:29] it must have been the damn electronics engineer [23:29] GD=god damn [23:29] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-47-29.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [23:30] I love this shit. We spent hours upon hours trouble shooting bullcrap crap that in the end appears to fix itself [23:30] it's a fantastic deal. [23:30] my lord [23:30] lordy lord is right boy KirbyRosenberg [23:30] antiwire: well at the time we blamed qwest. figured that when it got "escalated" that they did something and just didn't tell us. well we had a few of these problems and decided to swap out the CSU's with the new ones that came with the phone system. They were the same exact manufacture, just the next model up. [23:30] problem solved. [23:31] I'm just curious now, what type of system is it? [23:31] Samsung 7400, can't remember the CSU brand... [23:31] china and america should go to war http://halbot.haluze.sk/?id=5183 lets see who is the paper tiger! [23:32] antiwire: adtran [23:32] that's the csu/dsu [23:32] adtran is usually decent in the csu/dsu area [23:33] They are like Cisco but creep around quieter [23:33] gd is a cool library [23:33] they sneak into places you never thought they'd go [23:34] phoenix89 (n=phoenix@ip68-2-20-163.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:34] ooh kernels done cooking [23:34] antiwire: went from http://tinyurl.com/yaqtnb8 to http://tinyurl.com/yct32ef [23:35] That's a good upgrade [23:35] I still see exhibit A everywhere [23:36] They work but are ancient compared to the the second url [23:36] antiwire: yeah, but they do the same thing. I think the samsung had something to do with it. [23:36] yelsn (n=none@cm103-236.madisontelco.com) left ##slackware. [23:36] antiwire: maybe with a more up to date t1 card that probably operates faster needs a csu to do the same thing. [23:37] I wish the carriers and equipment manufacturers would let us know that [23:37] antiwire: imo the difference is like a pro100 from 5 years ago and a pro100 today. a different chip, some minor improvements but overall the same thing. [23:38] yeah [23:38] dey rippin' off e'rybody [23:39] i don't know much about telco but what i understand from those devices is that there is a way to set them to communicate with the providers end. certain settings. to me, if those haven't changed in the last 10 years, why do i need a new device(unless it breaks..) which i don't think either of them did. it's too ironic that we get a new phone system and then all of a sudden they stop working. [23:40] night,folks...take care [23:40] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-141-152-144-238.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Life is the greatest source...Seek it out and see how it compiles!" [23:41] All of those settings are just protocols that have been published too. What kills me seems to be the same that gets you too. The devices change over time, shape and model #...but the underlying protocols don't change. So, who or what causes the failures during upgrades? [23:41] does 13.0 come with v4l? [23:42] All I can guess is that these protocols are like SIP and everyone claims to follow the RFC but each follower has it's own take on the RFC wording [23:44] phoenix89 (n=phoenix@ip68-2-20-163.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:44] phoenix89 (n=phoenix@ip68-2-20-163.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:44] that's a kernel issue [23:45] Well the old phone system we had was close to or 15 years old. T1 cards in there probably process requests as quick as they could that long ago. Now with something that is brandnew, the T1 card processes requests much faster but to an Old CSU/DSU and it just can't keep up so it craps out. [23:46] also, at the time we were new with the phone system so we didn't know how to reboot the stupid thing besides unplugging it. didn't want to do that and risk losing the programing. [23:47] but qwests crap down in the demarc isn't by any means new either... So it really beats the shit outa me. 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[23:53] hi all. after some research i do not know yet if i should or if i should not use swaret to keep my system up to date. i would also like to know if there is any problem in using checkinstall to generate packages from source code (in other way, i would like to know why is it recommended in the slackwiki to use SlackBuild scripts instead of checkinstall) [23:54] use slackpkg to keep it up to date [23:54] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:54] slackpkg and sbopkg [23:54] aiiiiiii (n=Ig0r@Tribalero.Atlantica.US) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:55] aiiiiiii (n=Ig0r@Tribalero.Atlantica.US) joined ##slackware. [23:55] So guys.. I have issues with this ath9k driver.... [23:55] I could give you logs and such but it jst stuff the kernel spit back at me [23:56] I assume someone here knows about the peice of crap of a modules ath9k is, right? D: [23:56] upgrade? [23:56] to what...? [23:56] 2.6.32-rc8 ? [23:56] ath9k works fine here [23:56] been there, done that.. what's new? [23:56] yeah, of course, which chipset? [23:57] I'm with the 9258 or something [23:57] 9285 * [23:57] umm [23:57] i am just waiting for the download to end. i simply got enough from archlinux and being always with new kernels that mess with my hardware, so i am going back to slackware. as far as i can see, there is no big change from the 10.0 i used to have in my desktop. am i right? [23:57] tuxdev_ (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [23:57] not sure off hand. I will have to dig that up [23:58] theres no gnome for example [23:58] ? [23:58] teckan (n=Pai@p5499C310.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:58] teckan (n=Pai@p5499C310.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [23:58] teckan: the new kde sucks [23:59] lol [23:59] tecky: no big change from 10.0? KDE comes to mind... [23:59] Which ver? [23:59] 4.3 is pretty awesome [23:59] teckan: 2.6 kernel included. [23:59] well, i always used fluxbox with slackware and i moved to xmonad when i installed arch [23:59] (i have never been a kde/gnome user) [23:59] agentc0re, wasnt it included as an option in 10.0? [00:00] --- Sat Nov 21 2009