[00:00] technically no [00:00] especially in Slackware? [00:00] but a runaway process can mess you up [00:00] I usualy only add about 256 mb [00:00] but [00:00] in fact my old desktop has 64 megs of swap, never even used it. [00:00] Ok, I'm back. [00:01] I've downloaded the clex source. [00:01] Now, what do I do next? >_> [00:01] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [00:01] Kamel (n=1@68-242-58-32.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [00:02] brb, again. just give me instructions. [00:02] unzip it [00:02] look at README [00:03] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:03] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [00:03] lol [00:03] INSTALL if it is there [00:04] read INSTALL* [00:05] Rackattack: are you trying to build clex from a slackbuild? [00:06] If I have an XP machine and my slack box are connected directly to each other via a crossover cable, how difficult is it to get them to talk to each other? [00:06] Rackattack: and whatever you do, give back the spoon when you're done. [00:07] Reticenti, not a big deal, just might need to set static IP's on both [00:08] maddslacker: I can't remember if you have to use a straight-throught cable for that? [00:08] maddslacker: ok, thanks [00:09] mfillpot, GigE figures it out, 10/100 requires a crossover [00:09] maddslacker: TY [00:10] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-154-166.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:10] y0 slackers....How's everyone? [00:10] greetings MLanden, how's it going? [00:11] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A74209.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:11] yo MLanden [00:11] just STARTING the webkit build on my laptop...all going slow but good..:P [00:11] MLanden: awesome. I built webkit on my laptop with make -j8 :D [00:11] y0 mfillpot [00:11] It got done in a heck of a hurry. [00:11] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176016729.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [00:14] willca (n=willca@67.171.42.234) joined ##slackware. [00:14] after midori,prolly install fbreader on it [00:16] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "pebkac, id-10-t clicked the X ^_^" [00:17] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:17] MLanden: how often do you use fbreader? [00:17] installing now [00:17] WOW [00:18] this is going fast on my dual core [00:18] on my laptop,every once in a while....good for various ebooks [00:18] you should check out calibre...as an alternative [00:19] thanks,neonflux [00:19] np [00:19] better bookmarking? [00:19] im in the dev section already [00:20] well, you can download various newspapers and magazines...convert from one format to another...and read from various formats [00:21] willca (n=willca@67.171.42.234) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:21] lookin' at the website now [00:21] willca (n=willca@67.171.42.234) joined ##slackware. [00:24] has anyone ever printed the slackbook? [00:24] the whole thing [00:24] mlanden: cool, where do you get the ebooks that you read in fbreader? [00:25] and has anyone heard when the new slackbook is coming out? [00:25] willca (n=willca@67.171.42.234) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:26] pi31415: various places [00:27] reading up on how I can set up my cisco router :D [00:27] so far I have not read any ebooks that i could not get in a generic format such as text, html, postscript, pdf, org djvu [00:27] willca (n=willca@67.171.42.234) joined ##slackware. [00:27] or [00:28] pdf's are usually the best on transporting from desktop to pda [00:28] Rackattack (n=eric@user-0c8h5mh.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:29] why would pdf's be better than html or text, where you can rewrap lines? [00:30] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:30] is rackattack still here? and was he able to get his app compiled? [00:31] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [00:31] true,didn't think of that [00:32] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:34] cool its installed, setup scripts now :) [00:34] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:34] mornin [00:34] mornin' [00:35] keres (n=keres@ppp-70-130-58-37.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:35] no water; work on drainage near by [00:37] no backup well [00:37] Quiznos, you don't have water? How are you going to have your coffee then? [00:38] heh, this morning's carafe full. [00:38] alright! gonna check lilo and reboot [00:38] finally, someone remembers! [00:38] I always mix up root and boot [00:38] yo Quiznos [00:38] did it again but fixed [00:38] Action: fatalnix waves [00:38] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@173.45.238.209) left irc: "leaving" [00:38] hi mfillpot [00:39] Quiznos: wow, you spelled it right [00:39] heh i have my moments :) [00:39] I am glad that I finally found a project to keep my mind busy [00:39] kool; what? [00:40] I slackware based dependency tracking method that I will be building in a VM [00:40] kool [00:40] ewwww [00:41] mfillpot keep it simple and stay with the patv style of `do as little as possible' [00:41] lol [00:41] that is the goal, add a single file to the slackbuild which will then be used to update a single cleartext file in the fs [00:42] eh; i'd suggest getting info from the installed var/log/package info [00:42] mfillpot: look at Vectorlinux with slapt-get so you don't reinvent the wheel [00:43] nuttin on tv [00:43] SiegeX: I know slapt-get it can be inefficient [00:44] mfillpot, or that one that zenwalk uses [00:45] yosi_ (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:46] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:46] where can i find kde 4.3 for slack64 [00:47] i forget [00:47] fucking netflix streaming. Ive managed to stay away from 'Lost' this whole time and now I see one little piolet and im already knee deep into season 2 with this crack habbit [00:48] I gave up on Lost a couple of seasons ago [00:48] superGear: why not wait for it to pop up in -current [00:49] SiegeX, lost sucks [00:49] quiznoski [00:49] hi [00:49] damn, opera wont resize [00:49] maddslacker (n=corey@c-71-196-190-154.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:50] mfillpot, ok thanks for the answer, i'll keep trying to remember. Nice help [00:50] i can do without the umpteen flashbacks but so far so good with the base story [00:50] superGear: sorry for the lack of info, but I prefer to wait until the team thinks it is stable enough for general use [00:51] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:51] habaneros (n=habanero@71.250.102.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [00:52] 4.3.x probably won't be in current for awhile anyways [00:53] superGear: you can always take the existing kde slackbuilds from source and mod them to compile 4.3 [00:53] i know :/ [00:54] but i fail at that [00:54] haha [00:54] only thing google gives me is bluewhite64 crap [00:55] and i don't want to use them [00:55] I'd think there'd be unofficla slackbuilds somewhere [00:55] unofficial* [00:55] Kamus_H_Zwisch (n=xxxxxx@unaffiliated/xxxxxx) joined ##slackware. [00:55] Laenida (n=ubuntu@unaffiliated/laenida) joined ##slackware. [00:55] superGear: what issues do you have with modifying the builds, the official builds are usually pretty standard [00:55] there is i just can't remember the guys nick [00:55] Laenida: have fun [00:55] superGear, have you checked linuxquestions.org? I remember a few topics about 4.3 on there.. they might have links to slackbuilds [00:56] Kamus_H_Zwisch: in english? "/ [00:56] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [00:56] superGear: vbatts? [00:56] yes, Laenida [00:56] neonflux, thanks [00:56] np [00:56] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [00:56] vvesley (n=vesley@189-50-108-158-wlan.lpnet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [00:56] vvesley (n=vesley@189-50-108-158-wlan.lpnet.com.br) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [00:56] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [00:56] superGear: http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/kde/kde4-packages/4.3.1/ [00:56] i'll use the translator, Kamus_H_Zwisch hahahah [00:57] good morning [00:57] lol [00:57] fire|bird: How's your progress with pekwm coming along? [00:57] Laenida: use me :P [00:57] lmao [00:57] MLanden: great so far. I got bmpanel installed, it's nicer than tint imo [00:57] Kamus_H_Zwisch: uau. [00:57] hi bird [00:57] hi Quiznos [00:58] fire|bird: cool [00:58] Kamus_H_Zwisch: you know what's happening, so i think you can explain for me. [00:58] yeah, yeha [00:58] please guys, Laenida is having some troubles for booting slackware [00:59] lilo or grub? [00:59] lilo just doesn't installs and grub always reports error 15 [00:59] hw info pls [00:59] age of box too [00:59] Quiznos, ever play si copter ? [00:59] sim [00:59] nop [01:00] slack 13.0, an IDE hard disk. [01:00] via controller [01:00] that is all I can tell [01:00] Kamus_H_Zwisch: I remember that issue, the hd mbr size is insufficient to hold the lilo info, I jsut switched to use grub and store the boot info in the /boot/ directory [01:00] Kamus_H_Zwisch: 32-bit or 64-bit? [01:00] mfillpot: yeah, we had this problems and changed to grub, but we always receive error 15 [01:00] http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=sim+copter&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g10 [01:00] I'm sure that root and kernel lines are correct [01:00] Laenida: 32 ou 64? [01:00] nasty graphics but awesome, old schooooool i think 8 years old [01:00] show the lines one at a time [01:01] Laenida: cola aqui as linhas root e kernel [01:01] Kamus_H_Zwisch: 64bits. Do contrário já teria instalado o et no debian [01:01] grub isn't 64-bit compatible, no? [01:01] Laenida: não o pc, o slack [01:01] Kamus_H_Zwisch: 32bits. rs [01:01] grub works with 64bit [01:01] slackware is 32 bits [01:02] Laenida: cola root e kernel aqui, do menu.lst [01:02] superGear, oh, I vaguely remember something about it not working, but maybe not :) [01:02] Kamus_H_Zwisch: sim, espere. [01:02] ubuntu x64 uses it [01:02] and others [01:02] Kamus_H_Zwisch: root (hd0,0) [01:02] kernel /boot/vmlinuz ro quiet vga=773 [01:02] /boot is hdd1 (hd0,0) (I don't know why it is hdD, but whatever, there is no hda, hdb or hdc) [01:02] grub does not compile in 64-bit [01:02] damn still nuttin on tv [01:02] root is hdd2 [01:03] mfillpot, ah, needs multilib? [01:03] Kamus_H_Zwisch: please paste lilo.conf into pastebin.ca and give us the resulting link [01:03] why also tried to specify root=/dev/hdd2 in kernel, but error 15 again [01:03] mfillpot: no lilo.conf, we are using grub [01:03] or trying [01:03] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [01:03] blackorca: I installed it via 32-bit and just keep editing the menu.list file [01:03] haha I just got a segfault with fbsetbg [01:04] find . -name '*.php' -o -name '*.html' -exec sed -i 's![[:space:]]*[[:space:]]*$!!' {} \; [01:04] sed: 1: "./topbar.html": invalid command code . [01:04] fatalnix: what were you compiling? [01:04] woops [01:04] shit [01:04] Action: superGear slaps jeev [01:04] Action: jeev slaps Superbaloo [01:04] Action: jeev slaps superGear [01:04] poor Superbaloo [01:04] no random slaping [01:04] Action: jeev roundaslaps everyone [01:04] Kamus_H_Zwisch: Grub error messages - http://www.uruk.org/orig-grub/errors.html [01:05] Action: Kamus_H_Zwisch is immortal [01:05] Action: superGear slaps Quiznos on his rear [01:05] Kamus_H_Zwisch: please pastebin the grub configuration file [01:05] ouch [01:05] Action: deco spanks jeev [01:05] nothing [01:05] it was fbsetbg setting a jpg as a wallpaper [01:05] I just installed 13 new :) [01:05] on my laptop [01:05] yay [01:05] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left ##slackware. [01:06] Laenida: pastebin /boot/grub/menu.lst, df -lh, fdisk -l e lspci [01:06] i am trying 64bit [01:06] Action: jeev bubbles himself [01:06] i may go back to 32bit [01:06] I dont have any 64 bit computers right now. [01:06] esqueça o df -lh, Laenida [01:06] Kamus_H_Zwisch: ok [01:06] mshade (n=mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:07] in grub hdd2 == (hd3,1) iirc hda1 == (hd0,0) hda == (hd0) [01:07] mfillpot: this link is wrong [01:07] I think this one is more accurate [01:07] http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Stage2-errors [01:09] Kamus_H_Zwisch: you are right and that offers better info, in that case can we also get "the cd /boot/:tree" output? [01:09] sure, mfillpot [01:09] s/:/;/ [01:09] Laenida: tree /boot também [01:10] Kamus_H_Zwisch: humf [01:11] http://pastebin.com/m382323b1 [01:11] lspci, fdisk and the menu.lst [01:11] please wait while she pastes tree [01:11] ok [01:13] tree is not installed, mfillpot [01:13] can we use find? [01:13] ls -R /boot ? [01:13] as you wish [01:14] fire|bird: guess what i found http://blog.iwkse.homeunix.org/?p=4 webkit plugin for claws-mail fwiw [01:14] Kamus_H_Zwisch: menu.lst is missing the root entry [01:15] sure? [01:15] hmm. [01:15] it appears in pastebin here [01:15] root (hd0,0) [01:15] # [01:15] is it going to cause a problem if I uninstall perl and recompile it and install it for /usr/local? [01:15] it might [01:15] if some script calls usr/bin/perl [01:15] due to shebangs in some other scripts that might be hanging aorund [01:15] yeah [01:15] thats the issue [01:16] make with correct path [01:16] Kamus_H_Zwisch: kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda5 ro quiet vga=773 [01:16] having it in /usr/bin is sort of a big security deal [01:16] config with corect path [01:16] why? [01:16] Kamus_H_Zwisch: the root portion of that line should be pointing to the / partition [01:16] oh, THIS root [01:16] hehe [01:16] we tried to use it too, but we can try it again [01:17] mshade (n=mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:17] because, for a main example, when you install modules that come with scripts, they often install to /usr/bin and have broken other things, for example one of the hexdump modules replaces /usr/bin/hexdump [01:17] Kamus_H_Zwisch, did she pastebin the ls -R /boot yet? [01:17] blackorca: I'm having soe troubles to explain that I need the slack /boot, not the ubuntu live cd one :P [01:18] mshade (n=mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:18] and also, the people from perl yell at you for being stupid enough to install it in /usr/bin and say its a huge no no. [01:18] fatalnix wait, unceremoniuosly reaplced? a non package file? [01:18] wth do they know? [01:18] lol [01:18] well, you could fix it yourself [01:18] and bitch at em for messing with things not in their jurisdiction [01:18] but yeah, some libs broke my linux-utils package [01:18] Kamus_H_Zwisch: also, is this a single distro machine or multiboot? [01:18] etc [01:18] fatalnix: you could symlnk it [01:18] or, you could rechown pkg to nobody [01:19] mfillpot: single distro, only slack [01:19] or rechown usr/bin [01:19] she is in a live cd now [01:19] fatalnix this is perl src pkg install doing this? [01:19] Kamus_H_Zwisch: make sure she replaces the sda5 with whatever her / partition is [01:19] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:19] yep [01:19] damn [01:19] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [01:20] k [01:20] I know you think it wouldnt, but its designed to use its prefix, so if it installs scripts they install to $PREFIX/bin [01:21] 1st line should be root (hd0,4) for sda5 then 2nd line is kernel /boot/vmlinuz ...etc... [01:21] strange, her ls shows that there is not vmlinuz in /boot [01:21] or shows, she didn't pasted everything [01:21] hehe [01:21] Kamus_H_Zwisch, yeah, that's what I figured, are there any vmlinuz-... files in there? [01:21] I know I thought what the hell myself quizno's [01:22] Kamus_H_Zwisch: can she pastbin the tree or whatever she is using to view the contents of boot? [01:22] mfillpot: she is doing it right now [01:22] Kamus_H_Zwisch: http://pastebin.com/mc4eabbb [01:22] fatalnix i know prefix is used; it's sposed to [01:22] blackorca: I'm pretty sure that is, if I correctly remember her last find /boot, because I did her menu.lst [01:22] here it is, mfillpot [01:23] and there is the vmlinuz, blackorca [01:23] hehe [01:23] oh :( [01:23] /media/disk is slack /boot [01:23] Kamus_H_Zwisch: has she tried to use the generic kernel yet, or is this still under the huge kernel? [01:24] I didn't followed the installation, mfillpot [01:24] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:24] Kamus_H_Zwisch: is the boot directory in it's own partition and does grub give the menu? [01:25] fatalnix install to new prefix, mung install script/makefile-entry & files to do what you want. [01:25] Zexan (n=me@unaffiliated/zexan) left irc: [01:25] it is, and grub gives the menu, I guess [01:25] fatalnix 1st s/install/make [01:25] has I understood, the error occurs after selecting the system [01:25] error 15 [01:26] Kamus_H_Zwisch, how do you know /boot is /dev/hdd1 ? [01:26] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [01:26] blackorca: she told me, this is all I have [01:26] but it is the first partition, I'm sure [01:26] blackorca get him to touch /${dev} on each partition so file can be grub-find'd [01:26] Kamus_H_Zwisch, well, from what Rat409 is saying and from what the fdisk shows, it doesn't appear to be that (I think?) [01:27] blackorca: this fdisk is from the ubuntu live-cd, that is using scsi emulationb [01:27] estevao (n=estevao@189.115.200.150) joined ##slackware. [01:27] this is decent btw for grub errors http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub-error-guide.xml [01:27] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:27] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70.41.16.81) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [01:27] Quiznos, I don't follow? [01:28] Kamus_H_Zwisch: I had a little issue with having a seperate boot partition because grub is looking for the /boot directory in the given partition [01:28] Quiznos, /${dev} ? [01:28] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:28] hm [01:28] excelent point, mfillpot [01:28] I didn't realized it [01:29] just tell /vmlinuz? [01:29] Kamus_H_Zwisch: try making a new directory within boot and copy all files into there [01:29] blackorca grub can search parts for file or dir; make a file in the root of each part naming its partition. my dev/sda1 has a file /sda1 so i know what part it is; actually i also touch /$mount-point too (descriptive name) [01:29] like /boot/boot? he [01:29] k, lets do it [01:29] Kamus_H_Zwisch: the other issue is that with that setup it also does not know were to find the configuration file [01:29] yes [01:30] I think it can read menu.lst, because slack shows in grub list [01:30] lets try it [01:30] I could have sworn fortune was set in /etc/profile [01:30] usually is [01:30] or in profile.d/ [01:30] I just installed cowthink and cowsay :) [01:30] cowwonders [01:30] huh? [01:30] heh [01:31] cowsay is cool [01:31] wazit? [01:31] cp on write? [01:31] xcowsay is cool for 1 or 2 times [01:31] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:31] use the beta one [01:31] nix_chix0r mornin [01:31] theres like 100 different cowes [01:31] cows* [01:31] lol [01:31] what is cow? [01:31] cool [01:31] hihi [01:31] Quiznos: like mooooo [01:31] i dont konw moo [01:32] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:32] where milk comes from [01:32] i dont know milk [01:32] bee-spit? [01:32] lol [01:32] mfillpot, why not just edit menu.lst to say /vmlinuz instead of making a new directory in /boot ? [01:33] blackorca: because grub will not know were to find the memu.lst file to update it's configuration [01:34] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:34] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [01:34] heh [01:35] this is the /boot dir for my multiboot system .. http://pastebin.com/d708b86c8 [01:35] Action: MLanden pulls the string and listens .... "The cow goes baaaaaaaaaa" [01:36] WEIRD! [01:36] the seg fault thing [01:36] it happens with this particular wallpaper [01:36] :O [01:36] both of them are jpg's [01:36] mfillpot, weird, I haven't used grub in a long time since slackware uses lilo as default, so.. [01:36] fatalnix: what's the codec to that particular jpeg file? [01:36] blackorca: I was forced to use grub because of my hd, so I was forced to work around a few things [01:37] mfillpot, I've used grub with /boot on a separate partition before with no trouble, but I assume you've had this issue before and know what you're talking about [01:37] that reminds me I guess I should get rid of some of the old kernels [01:37] blackorca: yes I had the issue and had to work around it [01:37] I'm not sure, how can i tell? [01:38] mfillpot, can't you specify where the menu.lst is when you install grub? [01:38] fatalnix strace it [01:39] theres a buncho permission denieds.. [01:39] lol [01:39] blackorca: you should, but for me mkdir and ln -s was quicker than reading the manual [01:39] with sudo [01:39] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [01:39] mfillpot, ah, personally I'd rather install grub correctly and not have to have a boot/ subdir in /boot haha [01:40] ln -s /boot/ /boot/boot [01:40] :P [01:40] blackorca: /boot/boot is full of sumlinks so it only effects grub, there is no harm [01:40] fatalnix fix em [01:40] Kamus_H_Zwisch, did it work? [01:41] dunno, she is editing it [01:41] s/sumlinks/symlinks/ [01:41] mfillpot, oh, nvm, I see what's going on now [01:41] xcable (n=alan@unaffiliated/xcable) joined ##slackware. [01:43] mfillpot, if her grub menu is already coming up though, and she only gets the error 15 after selecting something, then grub must surely know the location of menu.lst then, no? [01:43] blackorca: that's what I would assume [01:43] blackorca: not necessarily, if grub configured to read the conf from the mdb or /boot/grub/menu.lst? [01:43] Laenida (n=ubuntu@unaffiliated/laenida) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [01:44] k, she is rebooting [01:44] s/mdb/mdr/ [01:44] there is no conf in mbr, I think [01:44] everything is in menu.lst [01:45] Kamus_H_Zwisch, if this works, maybe try switching /boot/vmlinuz in menu.lst to just /vmlinuz and see if that works.. if it does you won't need the symlink in /boot [01:45] Kamus_H_Zwisch: depending on your grub install type it will either write menu.lst to the mbr or call to the menu.lst file in your boot directory [01:45] this is what I did, blackorca [01:45] it is /vmlinuz, but also have a /boot under /boot [01:45] new for me, mfillpot [01:45] good to now [01:46] I've never heard of menu.lst being written to the MBR [01:47] neonflux: it was an option when I installed, but my mbr was not large enough to hold it, when I tried that I got the same error as lilo [01:47] hey, I just buy simillaion, hobbit and lord of the rings for $40 BRL (aboutt $20 usd) [01:47] menu.lst is just a text file...grub only reads it [01:47] cool, no? [01:47] when i see mfillpot i read milfpot [01:48] :D [01:48] I doubt the default would be to use menu.lst from the MBR [01:48] my eyes are decieving me [01:48] but whatever the case, we will get this fixed [01:48] nix_chix0r, hahaha [01:49] Nick change: mfillpot -> lostnhell [01:49] is this better? [01:49] nah [01:49] milfpot is better [01:49] Nick change: Quiznos -> milfpot [01:49] like this. [01:49] lol [01:49] go Cougars go [01:49] lol [01:50] saweet [01:50] Nick change: milfpot -> PurpleSmurf [01:50] lol milfpot [01:50] Nick change: Kamus_H_Zwisch -> Quiznos [01:50] register it NOW [01:50] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:50] Action: mingdao Quiznos [01:50] :P [01:50] hihi ming [01:50] dimm0k_ (n=dimm0k@pool-96-224-18-59.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:50] Quiznos is a fraud :) [01:50] Nick change: lostnhell -> mfillpot [01:50] this is going to confuse the hell out of me :P [01:50] Quiznos (n=xxxxxx@unaffiliated/xxxxxx) left ##slackware. [01:50] did the grub problem get resolved? [01:50] estevao (n=estevao@189.115.200.150) left irc: "Leaving." [01:51] he quit on my nick [01:51] neonflux (n=mrjones@209.19.58.106) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:51] Kamus_H_Zwisch (n=xxxxxx@unaffiliated/xxxxxx) joined ##slackware. [01:51] Nick change: PurpleSmurf -> Quiznos [01:51] yeah ... they think they fixed it with grub2 [01:51] px [01:51] cant change nicks [01:51] mihk (n=mihai@xdsl-87-78-64-100.netcologne.de) joined ##slackware. [01:51] Nick change: Quiznos -> PurpleSmurf [01:51] hahaha [01:51] one day they'll grow up and be lilo2 [01:51] Nick change: deco -> Quiznos [01:51] hi [01:51] lol [01:51] hi Quiznos [01:51] damn, look at what I started [01:51] i can't spell [01:51] Kamus_H_Zwisch, any word on if it worked for her yet? [01:51] none [01:51] Quiznos (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:51] dead! [01:51] rofl [01:51] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:51] Quiznos (n=deco@69.108.88.254) joined ##slackware. [01:52] oh damn [01:52] lol [01:52] or it worked and she is seting it up, or it didn't worked and we are pretty f***d now :P [01:52] Quiznos (n=deco@69.108.88.254) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:52] Nick change: PurpleSmurf -> Quiznos [01:52] wth isnt ghoster protecting my nick [01:52] Quiznos: /nickserv set enforce on [01:52] ty [01:52] tou are welcome [01:52] I'm just waiting for someone to switch their name to pat's [01:52] Nick change: mingdao -> LinusTorvalds [01:52] oh wow; it was off [01:52] does anyone work with ddd on 12.2? [01:52] taht sux [01:53] Nick change: LinusTorvalds -> mingdao [01:53] ddd is are code here hahaha [01:53] area* [01:53] Nick change: Quiznos -> PatVokerding [01:53] mingdao [01:53] mfillpot [01:53] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:53] wrong name [01:53] He already has volkerfi [01:53] i know [01:53] volkerdi even [01:54] but this is splicit [01:54] cept you misspelled it [01:54] fonetical too [01:54] Volkerding [01:54] l is silent [01:54] mingdao, he uses irc? [01:54] you left out an l [01:54] yes [01:54] blackorca yea, he visits here too [01:54] blackorca: he has been know to use IRC [01:54] not public very often, but I think with the core team probably daily [01:55] Nick change: PatVokerding -> PurpleSmurf [01:55] lostnhell (n=matt@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:55] Nick change: mingdao -> LinusTorvalds [01:55] I have [01:55] multiple personalities [01:55] heh [01:55] lol [01:56] Hell, my name is Linus, and I pronounce Linux and leenuks [01:56] mfillpot, fios? lucky bastard ;) [01:56] LinusTorvalds: fedora sucks [01:56] mfillpot how fast is that pipe? [01:56] fios is nice, 22 min DVD downloads is sweet [01:56] I pronounce kernel as kwurnul [01:56] lol [01:56] nice [01:56] good lord, save me [01:56] fios? [01:56] fiber [01:56] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.186.123) left ##slackware. [01:56] 20/5, but it runs beyond specs in slackware [01:56] she used super grud disk to install lilo, and just forgot to tell me about it [01:56] man, this sucks... [01:57] the only fiber they have in this country is the transatlantic lines [01:57] Kamus_H_Zwisch: is she able to get into slack [01:57] no [01:57] Kamus_H_Zwisch: so the attempt failed in grub, or did she giveup and try lilo again? [01:58] Action: LinusTorvalds chickens love grubs [01:58] nothing, she was using lilo while we was banging our heads to configure grub, and just forgot to tell me [01:58] PurpleSmurf: I have fiber for my internet, cable and phone, is is nice and clean, it also helps that I am 20 feet from a main junction [01:59] Kamus_H_Zwisch: that was useful [01:59] Nick change: LinusTorvalds -> mingdao [01:59] /cl [02:00] oh yeah, very [02:00] do you guys have a 9mm? I need to kill someone [02:00] Kamus_H_Zwisch: just use the keyboard since that is part of the problem [02:00] good tip, mfillpot [02:01] lol [02:01] mihk (n=mihai@xdsl-87-78-64-100.netcologne.de) left irc: "Leaving" [02:01] I can has pizza? [02:01] make it a Model M....it's heavy 'nough to bash through a brick wall [02:02] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-179-140.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:02] when the problem is pebkac, you can use the keyboard or chair [02:02] dimm0k (n=dimm0k@pool-96-224-19-168.nycmny.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:03] Kamus_H_Zwisch, so are you going to be able to get her slack up and running then? [02:03] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-179-140.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:03] Kamus_H_Zwisch: so, are we going to cotinue to try to hepl, or has she given up and went on her own way? [02:03] problably, I'm guiding her to install grub now [02:04] don't worry, lostnhell, I think I can handle it now [02:04] good, please let us know if grub works then :) [02:04] thanks you all for the help [02:04] Action: Kamus_H_Zwisch still wants a 9mm, to finish the keyboard job [02:04] I like showing up twice [02:05] she is rebooting now [02:05] lets all cross our fingers [02:05] x [02:06] spooge (n=spooge@173-18-193-232.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:06] Kamus_H_Zwisch, if it does work, I'd be interested to know if that symlink in /boot was necessary, unless she doesn't want to mess with it once it works :) [02:06] Nick change: lostnhell -> bungholio [02:07] man, I think it will be painful to tell her to do it [02:07] Nick change: PurpleSmurf -> Quiznos [02:07] I will isntall slack here to test it [02:07] I owe you guys this [02:08] bungholio (n=matt@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:09] spooge (n=spooge@173-18-193-232.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [02:09] Kamus_H_Zwisch, well if she's willing to reboot into the ubuntu livecd to fix it, it should be as simple as rm /boot/boot and reboot to see if it still works, no? [02:10] the language barrier can make things hard [02:12] now we wait for the confirmation [02:12] yes [02:12] k, she is back, and doesnt brings good news [02:12] title Slack [02:12] root (hd0,0) [02:12] kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hdd2 ro quiet vga=773 [02:12] Channel flood from Kamus_H_Zwisch -- kicking [02:12] savedefault [02:12] Kamus_H_Zwisch kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [02:12] Kamus_H_Zwisch (n=xxxxxx@unaffiliated/xxxxxx) joined ##slackware. [02:12] sorry [02:12] same error 15 [02:12] Kamus_H_Zwisch: use pastebin [02:12] biiger than I imagined [02:12] heviarti (n=heviarti@just.puresimplicity.net) joined ##slackware. [02:12] gg [02:13] no harm done haha [02:13] wonderful :P [02:13] but even with /boot/boot and /vmlinuz it still doesn't work? this sucks haha [02:13] anyone seen motoko_chan? [02:13] II have no idea [02:13] really, I'm los [02:13] t [02:13] estevao (n=estevao@189.115.200.150) joined ##slackware. [02:13] Kamus_H_Zwisch: the issue is your root entry, is should be referring to the HD by the sda designation [02:14] anyone know why when running xdm and an xinirc to lock a user in audacious, when audacious exits xfce starts? [02:14] it is an ide, no problem with that? [02:14] xinitrc even [02:14] mfillpot, it would still boot even with an incorrect root= entry, wouldn't it? (it just wouldn't mount root then, no?) [02:14] that is what I think, blackorca [02:14] she is rebooting again, god knows why [02:15] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-195.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:15] Rat409 said something earlier maybe could be the reason.. let me find it [02:15] i really need the user to drop back to xdm, no wm. [02:15] blackorca: the issue us /dev/hdd2 doesn't exist so of course it will return a "file doesn't exist" error [02:15] dscpl0 (n=mc@cpe.atm2-0-76461.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:15] hi [02:16] my last try will be sda2 [02:16] if it fails, I will just bang my head against the wall and fall dead [02:16] Kamus_H_Zwisch, just for the hell of it try root (hd3, 0) [02:16] just upgraded from slack 10 to 13, liking it. [02:16] have you done an fdisk -l yet, to see what the kernel calls it? [02:16] Kamus_H_Zwisch, root (hd3,0) without the space, sorry [02:17] I will, blackorca [02:17] in slackware 13.0, how do I set keymap in X, when running kdm? just starting X by "startx", I get the correct keymap - using kdm I don't [02:17] Action: Kamus_H_Zwisch raises over shadowed mountains blazing with power...... again.... [02:17] Kamus_H_Zwisch, if it's really showing up as /dev/hdd then that might be correct, I hope? [02:17] I agree, blackorca [02:17] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [02:17] mfillpot, well grub wouldn't look at the root= entry anyway, I wouldn't think [02:17] mfillpot, grub is just looking for the kernel image to boot [02:18] yeah, the root is a parameter passed to the kernel [02:18] blackorca: it must look at that entry to figure out what partition to boot to [02:18] grub just tells it [02:18] if it fails at "error 15" then we haven't even gotten to the kernel yet, so root= wouldn't matter [02:19] Kamus_H_Zwisch, if this works, you can thank Rat409 since he mentioned this earlier :) [02:19] I missed it, but I will he [02:19] dimm0k (n=dimm0k@71.183.189.172) joined ##slackware. [02:20] k, she is back, it didn't worked and she will reboot with root (hd3,0) [02:20] Kamus_H_Zwisch and blackorca, what are you attempting [02:20] lets pray [02:20] dimm0k_ (n=dimm0k@pool-96-224-18-59.nycmny.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:20] pray.. ius that right? [02:20] Action: Kamus_H_Zwisch needs an english revision [02:20] yes [02:20] thanks [02:21] your english isn't perfect, but it's perfectly understandable :) [02:21] anyone tried fdisk -l yet? [02:21] :D [02:21] k, she is rebooting [02:22] mfillpot, to take over the world [02:22] :P [02:22] mfillpot, root (hd3,0) [02:22] hahaha :P [02:22] blackorca: that won't work [02:22] stop the curse, mfillpot [02:22] mfillpot, well if it detects it as /dev/hdd [02:22] please [02:22] :P [02:22] haha [02:23] http://pastebin.com/m79988b37 [02:23] mfillpot, but no, why won't it work? [02:23] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.69.226) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:23] I can't handle another reboot [02:23] Action: Kamus_H_Zwisch cries [02:24] Kamus_H_Zwisch, well have you heard back from her yet? [02:24] mfillpot root says hda/sda1 not sda2 sda2 = (hd0,1) [02:24] no [02:25] Rat409, am I correct in what I told him? [02:25] /boot is sda1, hd seens to be hdd [02:25] so, 3,0 is correct, not? [02:25] blackorca: afaik yes [02:25] by looking at the fdisk output it appears that /boot would be /dev/sda1 and / would be /dev/sda2 [02:25] ahhh [02:26] I am just basing my input off of what is known to work on my system [02:26] fdisk is from ubuntu live-cd, using scsi emulation. debian recognizes her hd as hdd too [02:26] that is what she said [02:26] k,i was unaware of the separate /boot part [02:27] yeah, didn't worked [02:27] Kamus_H_Zwisch: what didn't work? [02:27] what I said to do, probably, haha [02:27] yeah, blackorca [02:28] blackthorne (n=bthorne@unaffiliated/blackthorne) joined ##slackware. [02:28] k, I will kill myself now [02:28] thank you for your help, but is too much for me [02:28] Kamus_H_Zwisch, she still gets error 15, right? [02:28] but you still need grub code embedded on 1st physical harddisk /mbr or parts root-partition afaik [02:28] yep [02:28] well Rat409 and mfillpot may be able to help, but I think I'm out of ideas [02:29] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:29] man, I will just watch dawn of the dead, read sherlock holmes and try to forget t [02:29] it [02:29] thanks again, away now [02:29] Kamus_H_Zwisch: are you giving up? [02:30] for now, I need to sleep. 3:30 am here [02:30] john_dee (n=id@93-81-118-71.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:30] I will continue tomorrow (today, later) [02:31] I will be back mfillpot Rat409 blackorca :P [02:31] Rat409: can you give the command to install grub on the mbr and point to the menu.lst on sda1? [02:31] thank you another time, I am in debt with you [02:31] Kamus_H_Zwisch, if I'm not mistaken the problem lies in the root (whatever) line, so try and mess around with that [02:32] there might be problems after that if root= entry is wrong, but at least it won't give error 15 if you get the root line correct, I think [02:32] nullify (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:32] blackorca: the root(hd0,0) line is correct [02:32] nullify_ (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:32] Nick change: Kamus_H_Zwisch -> Kamus_Away[xi] [02:33] estevao (n=estevao@189.115.200.150) left irc: "Leaving." [02:33] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.31.85) joined ##slackware. [02:33] has anyone ever seen xdm start a wm after an application which is set as the X interface exits? [02:33] mfillpot, hmm, well I think I see where you're coming from now [02:33] mfillpot: hmm root (hd0) then setup (hd0) will install to sda /mbr [02:33] this works for me http://pastebin.com/d773d9375 [02:33] i really need to fix that prob. i'm running audacious as my X shell for an embeeded jukebox kinda thing. [02:34] unfortunately, since making the system init 4, xfce starts when audacious exits. [02:34] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [02:34] embedded even. [02:34] Action: quasar stabs fire|bird [02:35] heviarti: I am sorry that is beyond my realm [02:35] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Client Quit [02:35] or grub-install /dev/sda [02:35] woot. I win. [02:35] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [02:35] ffs, he keeps coming back -_- [02:35] is there a reason why this person is using grub and not lilo? [02:35] no idea [02:35] Rat409, well he said he'll be online later today, so if he comes back, maybe see if whatever that is helps? [02:35] sure [02:35] out of the ashes sorta thing,quasar...:D [02:36] Reticent1 (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:36] Rat409, I'm too tired to even think right now haha [02:36] MLanden: I'm going to hire a gang of cats to attack him next week.. we'll see who wins then ! [02:36] i usually chroot in a live-cd to run installed grub to fix it [02:37] tonight we proved the problem with having too many opinions [02:37] in slack i use lilo [02:37] wouldn't it give 'em heartburn,quasar? [02:37] Rat409: bootable usb device? [02:37] blackorca: you are now on my list :P [02:37] MLanden: possibly, but I figure 50 cats, x 9 lives.. should take him a while [02:37] yuh mfillpot ,sorry didn't mean to butt in [02:38] the only thing I don't like about lilo is that it doesn't allow you to edit at boot [02:38] Rat409: you were on the right page [02:38] mfillpot, list of what? [02:38] lol,quasar...would indeed give 'em' the "runs" of a lifetime..:D [02:38] list of people I can argue with [02:38] ohh [02:38] parimo (n=parimo__@28.Red-79-152-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [02:39] i really don't like the boot arrangement on pc hardware at all. [02:39] I think he's ignoring us, too [02:39] blackorca: did you look at my pastebin? [02:39] mfillpot, no, hold on [02:39] if pcs had something like SRM console, maybe boot from scd0 would work right. [02:40] anyone here used openboot prom? or srm? [02:40] mfillpot, did you want me to look at something in particular? or just to see it? [02:41] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-195.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [02:41] blackorca: look at the root and kernel entries to see what works [02:42] blackthorne (n=bthorne@unaffiliated/blackthorne) left irc: [02:42] yeah [02:42] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420081.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:42] wish i knew where motoko got off to.. she was working with a homebrew slack alpha. [02:43] mfillpot, but you still think his problem was his root= entry? [02:44] or did we establish that it was something else? [02:45] Action: blackorca 's brain is too fried right now [02:47] this is a good bookmark also it seems http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/grub/grub.htm [02:48] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:49] blackorca: me too 0250 local here [02:50] blackorca: the problem was that the root= entry was not pointing to the correct partition [02:50] same time here as well Rat409 :) [02:50] willca (n=willca@67.171.42.234) left irc: "Leaving" [02:50] same time [02:51] jescis (i=1000@adsl-93-66-190.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [02:52] mfillpot, well hopefully you're around when he comes back in so he can get it working [02:52] inman (n=root@p579B5DB4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:53] blackorca: in case I'm not, can you bookmark this? http://pastebin.com/m79988b37 [02:54] mfillpot, if what you say works, I apologize.. maybe it's just too late or something but I don't see why grub would need to know what the root partition is (not saying you're wrong, I just don't see why grub would fail to boot, considering it doesn't need anything in /) [02:54] flyhorse|linux (n=flyhorse@116.18.179.199) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:54] blackorca: that is the correct entry and make sure they run the command to append the menu.lst entry to the mbr [02:54] flyhorse|linux (n=flyhorse@116.4.83.163) joined ##slackware. [02:54] mfillpot, bookmarked [02:55] mfillpot, mfillpot: hmm root (hd0) then setup (hd0) will install to sda /mbr [02:55] mfillpot, that? [02:55] the issues is eventhough it pulled the kernel it had nothing to bump it against, that is why it was failing [02:55] yes [02:56] mfillpot, okay, I will save that [02:57] I hate the diffrent ways that grub refers to things, the trick is making sure you know which syntax to use where [02:57] mfillpot, well I assume if I set root=something_wrong for lilo on here, I'll have the same problem then? [02:58] I'd test this out, but I don't have grub on here [02:58] I'm back :) [02:58] yes, since the /dev/ entries are files it will return the unable to read file error [02:58] yuh bkmrked/saved the paste also [02:59] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:59] and if the config was saved to the mdb wather than an entry pointing to the mbr for the menu.lst, then all attempts would have failed because the boot menu would not have updated [03:00] mfillpot, I'm going to make a new lilo entry with an incorrect root= and what I think (well, at least thought) will happen is that the kernel will boot and then fail with a kernel panic saying it can't mount the root fs [03:00] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@173.18.63.179) joined ##slackware. [03:00] water's back on [03:00] mfillpot, you're saying lilo won't even boot the kernel will give me an error [03:00] mfillpot, am I correct in this? [03:00] Nick change: phoenix^ -> Guest74885 [03:00] Quiznos: cool,no rain dance then? [03:00] it should give an error because it can't find the necessary modules in root [03:00] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Nick collision from services. [03:01] Nick change: Guest74885 -> fire|bird [03:01] mfillpot, but you're saying lilo will give an error? or the kernel? [03:01] is it possible to have more context switches than ticks? [03:01] mfillpot, basically, do you think the kernel will even begin to load? [03:01] blackorca: I don't know which and I don't want to risk it now, but I will test in vm [03:02] spooge (n=spooge@173-18-193-232.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:03] mfillpot, brb, rebooting [03:04] blackorca (n=blackorc@174-152-34-93.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:04] parimo (n=parimo__@28.Red-79-152-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:04] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:04] spooge (n=spooge@173-18-193-232.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [03:05] mfillpot, no, He'd probably do a fixed plmbing dance ;) [03:06] kernel panic [03:06] blackorca (n=blackorc@174-152-34-93.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [03:06] /s /mfillpot / MLanden, [03:06] kernel panic [03:06] mfillpot, yes, kernel panic [03:06] all god,jescis [03:06] s/god/good [03:06] blackorca: I am installing grub now to test my assumption [03:07] xcable (n=alan@unaffiliated/xcable) left irc: "Leaving" [03:07] mfillpot, but the kernel did load regardless that the root= line was incorrect [03:07] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:07] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:07] (this is on lilo, however) [03:07] blackorca: but that was lilo, not grub, I am testing grub now [03:08] mfillpot: think you nailed it but shouldn't vmlinuz line be /vmlinuz root=/devsda2 not /boot/vmlinuz as sda1 is /boot partition? [03:08] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [03:08] Rat409, I believe he did change it to /vmlinuz [03:08] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [03:08] the kernel line i mean for the /vmlinuz vs /boot/vmlinuz [03:08] ahh ok [03:09] Rat409, He also added a symlink /boot/boot -> /boot so that you could specify /boot/vmlinuz and it'd work as well [03:09] oh sorry,getting more braindead fast here :( [03:09] haha I know what you mean [03:10] MLanden, thank you for thinking I'm a god, But my question would be a god of what? Computer history? Music? [03:10] Rat409, what time you usually go to sleep? [03:10] ;) [03:10] sleep whats that? [03:10] toastytoast, :P [03:10] lol,jescis [03:10] late usually but been a longer day than usual [03:11] usually 2-3 lol [03:11] toastytoast, something lazy people do ;) [03:11] lol [03:11] very bad habit [03:11] i see [03:11] didn't have as much coffee as usual either [03:12] rebooting vm to see how grub responds to no root [03:12] Rat409, you need more! [03:12] mfillpot, what did he have root set as? /dev/hdd2? [03:12] think i need sleep more than anything atm lol [03:12] joker energy drink is bette rthan coffe [03:12] parimo (n=parimo__@28.Red-79-152-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [03:12] blackorca: grub throws a kernel panic also [03:13] mfillpot, but the kernel at least booted? [03:13] Rat409, no sleep, work! [03:13] Action: jescis cracks whip, yelling high ya! [03:13] its funny it is prolyl one of the best energy drinks i have had and i've only seen it sold at the dollar store for a dollar [03:13] blackorca: yes, so the other entries were bad, I think it really depends if grub was installed to the boot partition of mbr, we need that to figure out the problem [03:14] mfillpot, (sorry I'm braindead like Rat409 right now) so the root= entry wasn't the problem? [03:14] dscpl0 (n=mc@cpe.atm2-0-76461.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk) left irc: "Leaving" [03:15] blackorca: that wasn't the only problem, it would have stopped the boot eventually [03:15] yeah, that's what I figured [03:15] toastytoast, probably, But I bet it's not as tasty... mmmm Irish cream frozen mocha :p [03:15] mfillpot, I wonder if it's what you said earlier about the menu.lst being loaded into the mbr... I wonder if grub was reading a different menu.lst each time she changed it or not (you know what I mean?) [03:16] mfillpot, is this what you said just a couple lines up? [03:16] it is tasty tho atleast the k+juice version [03:16] blackorca: that is why I brought it up, in the next run they should reinstall grub and make sure to note where it is installed [03:16] and depending on poijnt of view it could be tastie than that [03:18] man,i'm dying fast,goodnight all. have a good day [03:18] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [03:18] Action: jescis is six or so blocks away from a local coffe shop named Etcetera's... mmmmm [03:19] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.31.85) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:19] mfillpot, someone else may have to help him do that, but at least you/I can point him in (hopefully) the right direction [03:20] toastytoast, I bet the person at the counter isn't a roller derby girl ;) [03:20] blackorca: I found the true problem and my bookmarked file would fix that [03:20] mfillpot, I feel bad for him, he was just the man in the middle, haha [03:20] mfillpot, what bookmarked file? [03:20] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [03:21] the issue that is causing the error 15 were the lines savedefault and boot, thay are unrecognized. The error message starts right after savedefault is called [03:21] blackorca: the menu.lst I had you bookmark, I commented out those lines [03:22] mfillpot, so savedefault gives the "file not found" error? [03:22] blackorca: yes [03:22] haha, no shit [03:22] that's excellent [03:22] blackorca: but there were other issues that they still needed to resolve, that file fixes those also [03:22] you're not a roller derby girl [03:22] dv- (i=dv@eclipse.drluna.net) joined ##slackware. [03:22] well at least he'll get past the grub error [03:23] what fontPath's from the xorg.conf need to be in tightvncserver.conf ? [03:24] mfillpot, if you're not online later today when/if he comes back, I'll be sure to let him know and I'll let him know it was you who solved it :) [03:24] actually let me see if the quiet option killed the full error message [03:25] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:25] dv- (i=dv@eclipse.drluna.net) left irc: "Changing server" [03:26] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:26] mfillpot, see if the quiet option kills the grub error? [03:27] parimo (n=parimo__@28.Red-79-152-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:28] dv- (i=dv@eclipse.drluna.net) joined ##slackware. [03:28] alright..sorry about that..did anyone respond to me ? [03:28] blackorca: no, if it blocks the user from seeing the line that caused the error, and it doesn't.. if she read the screen she could have fixed it herself [03:28] dv-, nope, sorry [03:28] damn [03:28] dv-, and I don't know the answer so :( [03:29] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [03:29] i keep getting an error when trying to run vncserver as a user [03:29] mfillpot, so it told her about the savedefault line? [03:29] dv-: what is the error [03:29] blackorca: yes it did [03:29] haha [03:29] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [03:30] toastytoast: someone recruiting for 'em? [03:30] well I assume she wasn't too great with linux [03:30] has someone experienced system freeze with slackware 13 and kde 4? [03:30] is there? [03:30] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [03:31] i had issues with k3b not working so iuninstalled all the kde stuff [03:31] k3b works [03:31] by me [03:31] marto29sf: I did when my xorg.conf file was configured incorrectly [03:32] but after I boot Kde 4 starts ok , then it works for some time and at some moment two lamps on the keyboard start blinking [03:32] and everything at that moment is frozen [03:32] once I then reboot and delete the .kde file [03:32] mfillpot, well I'm headed to bed.. good luck with that dependency project you're working on. Let me know how it works then :) [03:32] there are no freezes [03:32] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420081.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [03:32] M1ck__ (n=mick@81-64-101-116.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:32] marto29sf: have you checked /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if there is a message? [03:33] for several reboots [03:33] no [03:33] blackorca: goodnight [03:33] parimo (n=parimo__@28.Red-79-152-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [03:33] that camo to my head overnight and I will do it after the next freeze [03:33] came [03:33] works out* [03:33] marto29sf: after the next crash use crtl+alt+backspace to reboot x, go into another wm and check the log [03:33] I still have not got enough statistics to make a decent post in linuxquestions [03:34] blackorca (n=blackorc@174-152-34-93.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:34] brb [03:34] no, nothing works aftercrash [03:34] not even the keyboard [03:34] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:34] two lamps on it start blinking [03:34] it looks like the kernel itself is frozen [03:35] by the way, so far I have not tested it with the stock Slackware kernel [03:35] only with my custom compiled one [03:35] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:37] marto29sf: the keyboard lights are indicating a kernel panic, the problem is with your kernel [03:38] I see [03:38] I suspected this too [03:38] marto29sf: a function is kde is trying to call a module that does not exist, in that case check syslog [03:38] but there is nothing in /var/log/syslog [03:38] nor in /var/log messages [03:38] no indication for an error [03:39] marto29sf: that means the error pops in quick enough to beat the ksyslog daemon [03:39] and after I delete the .kde directory, there are no kernel panics for several reboots [03:39] that is my statistics so far [03:39] marto29sf: does it happen when you are trying to run a certain program or click on a button or change a wallpaper, etc.. ? [03:40] no, it simply happens after some time, even if I am not at all in front of the PC [03:40] but that period of time is irregular [03:41] marto29sf: are you sure it is not hardware related ? [03:41] mfillpot: http://pastebin.com/d4a80582e [03:41] how can I be sure that there is no hardware problem [03:41] the PC is 9 months old [03:41] and so far no hardware problems with it [03:42] but [03:42] there are no error messages in syslog or messages [03:42] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [03:43] it could be hardware, I am checking xconfig now to see if I can find a memory based module that may be responsible [03:43] marto29sf: have you run a mem test on your pc [03:43] no I have not [03:44] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:44] thank you for the idea [03:45] marto29sf: have you tried a stock kernel yet? [03:45] I still have not reproduced the crash with the stock kernel [03:46] marto29sf: you just need to keep removing possible causes from the picture maybe init 3 does your computer still lock after awhile, mfillpot has a good suggestion to maybe run the stock kernel [03:46] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@173.60.119.54) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:46] maybe because I have not run it log enough [03:46] marto29sf: have you tried running the stock kernel in which the error does not happen? [03:47] I still have not reproduced the crash with the stock kernel, maybe because I have not run it long enough [03:47] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [03:47] so far I have only used my custom kernel [03:47] 2.6.31 [03:47] xdan779: I was thinking of corruption or memory failures, but it sounds like the data is sitting in memory for a while, then when it is caleld the retrieved data is corrupt, which could indicate a missing kernel module [03:48] marto29sf: start with a stock kernel, that will help to idintify if it is hardware based or your kernel [03:49] mfillpot: I will be honest I do not understand how that could possibly indicate a missing kernel module [03:49] So you are convinced that it is not kde4 related? [03:49] M1ck__ (n=mick@81-64-101-116.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:49] DeCiDe (n=root@79.141.20.216) joined ##slackware. [03:49] Hello. [03:49] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:50] xdan779: there may be an optional memory handling module that is missing [03:50] marto29sf: I don't think it is kde, because of the structure of linux systems kde shouldn't crash the kernel [03:50] Hey I've seen it happen b4.. [03:51] mfillpot: I would highly doubt that, was there an option you slected during your kernel build that you suspect or where unsure of [03:52] I started suspecting kde4, when after a crash I rebooted and kde4 started loading and when it actually loaded all the icons from the desktop were missing [03:52] right after kde loaded the was instantly another crash [03:53] then I reboted and deleted the .kde directory [03:53] and there was no more crash for that day [03:53] marto29sf: have you tried another wm, to see if the problem happens on something other than kde? [03:53] no [03:53] I am still in the early stages of experimenting [03:53] that is what I meant to do [03:54] DeCiDe (n=root@79.141.20.216) left irc: "User disconnected" [03:54] the next step would be to try to see if this happens with XFCE [03:54] that is exactly what I was going to recommend [03:54] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@174.23.157.101) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [03:54] when I configured the kernel I stuck to the stock kernel config, just disabled the hardware that I do not need [03:55] I have enabled HPET, watchdog [03:55] marto29sf: that is a good answer, I would say not to worry about the kernel for now [03:55] Action: jescis is finally using Slackware 13.0 ;) [03:55] because I have hardware support for these [03:55] marto29sf: just be sure you try one thing at a timeI would stick with kde on your stock kernel if it still happens load a differant wm or no wm at all [03:56] yeah [03:56] I last deleted the .kde at the previous reboot and now I am still typing, so no crash for an hour or so [03:56] I am going to throw another question out, was slack installed from a disk or the web? [03:56] usually it happens within 10 minutes after kde is started [03:57] I installed Slackware from usb [03:57] hmmm...looks like i can only run vncserver if its set to the default depth [03:57] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-154-166.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [03:57] following the instructions in the file usb-and-pxe installation [03:57] why cant i go higher [03:57] where were the package files and did you do a md5 checksum on them? [03:57] I did md5 on the iso image [03:58] ok that is good, I was questioning if one of the packages was corrupt, that is thrown out [03:58] I had the iso image on my usb and mounted it on a directory to install from it [03:59] since the md5 on the whole iso is ok, it should be for every single package, shouldn't it [03:59] heviarti (n=heviarti@just.puresimplicity.net) left irc: "leaving" [03:59] yes [04:00] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:00] marto29sf: since you have no crash right now there is no need to try another wm, can you flood your RAM to give a brief test? [04:00] xdan779: do you think this could help to check the memory? [04:00] how can I do this? [04:01] mfillpot, how can I do this? [04:01] mfillpot: it would not hurt, espeacially while your memory is still under warrently [04:01] marto29sf: open and run alot of active tasks, firefox running mutliple videos in youtube, play audio, play a movie, etc.... [04:01] ok [04:02] if you RAM is bad this should hit the bad sector and cause some faults [04:02] refugiado (n=refugiad@187.41.235.82) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:02] refugiado (n=refugiad@187.41.180.71) joined ##slackware. [04:02] and how do you run memtest [04:03] lol.. memtest takes too long, this should catch something quicker [04:03] memtest is usually on bootable distros, if you have any lying around [04:03] ok [04:04] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [04:04] I will now try flooding the memory to see [04:04] ok [04:04] if a crash happens I will also take look at xorg.0.log [04:05] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:06] marto29sf: how much RAM do you have installed? [04:06] 2 GB [04:06] that shouldn't be hard to fill when you are running kde4 [04:06] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@173-18-63-179.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [04:07] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@97-117-91-177.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [04:07] if you have music run amarok, that eats some good memory [04:07] Nick change: phoenix^ -> Guest55055 [04:07] Guest55055 (n=fire|bir@173-18-63-179.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Client Quit [04:07] Ok thank you very much for your directions [04:08] :) [04:08] and responsiveness [04:08] I am only up this late to spook my neighbors, you are yielding the benefit of my aggrivation [04:08] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [04:09] lol [04:09] lol.. I got firefox to eat 1G of RAM [04:10] mfillpot: hahaha, what did you do to get it doing that? (I'm sure it didn't take much) [04:10] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:10] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:10] fire|bird: I am running an automation script on a facebook game [04:10] lol [04:11] 4G installed, 326M unused [04:11] hahaha [04:12] fire|bird: it was intentional, I have been watching the memory usage in light of some recent conversations like yours yesterday [04:12] yeah, FF still has memory issues. [04:13] midori sure is a really nice browser. fast and ligthweight [04:13] so does kde4, the usage goes up the longer I use it [04:14] lol marto29sf found his issue, he hit the bad sector of his RAM and the PC went to a kernel panic [04:15] yeah, I noticed that too somewhat with kde4. On my laptop, kde4, after a while, has the fan going full speed. xfce doesn't cause that though. [04:15] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.31.85) joined ##slackware. [04:15] brb, rebooting to clear RAM from kde's crap [04:15] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [04:15] Knightingale (n=tp@unaffiliated/knightingale) joined ##slackware. [04:15] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:17] would it sound resonable to copy my home directory on a slackware machine to a debian based machines home [04:17] yeah, those usually don't have anything that can break by changing distribs [04:18] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:18] marto29sf: did we find the issue? [04:19] marto29sf: status update? [04:19] no, still no crash [04:19] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [04:19] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:20] I will let you know if something interesting happens [04:20] marto29sf: what does "free -m" report? [04:21] total 2022, used 1929 [04:21] pekwm + FF running, 377M free, FF closed, 528M free haha, :P [04:22] fire|bird: did you find out what caused your lag problem? [04:22] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [04:22] HI [04:23] acidtripper: hello [04:23] I get a "devpts already mounted or /dev/pts busy" when I try "mount -a" So what would be a good way to make fstab file changes take effect? [04:23] pot? [04:23] mfillpot: Not exactly, no, but it seems as though FF has alot to do with it, if that's been running a while. [04:23] mfillpot, total 2022, used 1929 [04:23] is the report of free -m [04:23] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [04:24] smoking pot? [04:24] marto29sf: I am thinking that RAM is clean, but running memtest leter can't hurt [04:24] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:24] jescis: reboot or call each modified line manually [04:25] acidtripper: were you trying to be funny? [04:25] Well, time to get going. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening} everyone. Take care. :) [04:25] enjoy fire|bird [04:25] mfillpot, I guess this is one thing linux can't do without rebooting ;) [04:25] uu :( [04:25] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [04:25] mfillpot: I'll be enjoying some sleep, it's 03:25 :P [04:26] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:26] jescis: you can unmount the modified entries and remount with the new entires [04:26] here 05.26 [04:26] fire|bird: It is 4:26AM here and I'm not even tired [04:26] Knightingale (n=tp@unaffiliated/knightingale) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [04:26] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [04:26] parimo (n=parimo__@28.Red-79-152-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:27] mfillpot: haha, Well I'm not tired, but I still need to get some sleep, I've been up around 17 hours. :) [04:27] mm i had been eating some "asado" is like barbacue, and then some beers [04:27] with the cary in the city centre [04:27] car* [04:27] and now i smell very bad... i have to take a shower :S [04:27] how do you add a country to irc? [04:28] i asked that some time ago and nobody answeared [04:28] where r u from mancha? [04:28] hahaha [04:28] Later guys [04:28] i know, i am saying this to make a joke to you :) [04:28] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [04:28] eeeeeee [04:28] parimo (n=parimo__@28.Red-79-152-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [04:28] do you think you'r funny? [04:28] jaja [04:30] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-90-126.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:30] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-90-126.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:33] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [04:34] someone understand spanish http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdw4qE2qZFo&feature=related [04:34] Man-erg (n=meck@93.40.143.197) joined ##slackware. [04:34] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:35] mfillpot, thanks, I didn't think of umouning /dev/pts -_- [04:36] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578BC4.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:36] jescis: what is /dev/pts anyway? [04:36] hey [04:37] mfillpot, idk :\ [04:38] ow, it is for pseudo terminals [04:38] oh [04:39] jescis: read this .. http://www.mail-archive.com/cooker@linux-mandrake.com/msg20577.html [04:40] my guess is that is it used for pseudo terminals to run scripts in [04:41] jescis: what fstab changes were you making? [04:41] why are you screwing with devpts? [04:42] mfillpot, to get my user account to be able to read/write permissions for a vfat partition :\ [04:42] that doesn't require you touching devpts [04:42] a good rule is: don f*ck with that which you don't grok [04:42] don't* [04:43] mancha: amen [04:43] mfillpot, it does when I need to have mount reread fstab :\ [04:44] s/ mancha /mfillpot [04:44] its updatedb time [04:44] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-120-4.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [04:44] jescis: you shouldn't turn off /dev/pts, you should have only umounted the vfat partition then remoounted it using the new fstab changes [04:45] you don't remount fstab [04:45] but that what was causing the error -_- [04:45] you edit, /etc/fstab and then your entry change is taken into account [04:46] what is the error? [04:46] mancha, I got a "devpts already mounted or /dev/pts busy" when I try "mount -a" [04:47] ok, so it is telling you, in a nice way "i can't mount something that is already mounted" [04:47] what's the problem? that's correct functionality [04:48] yeah, but every linux forum says to modify fstab then run mount -a for the change to take effect >.> [04:49] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:49] has the change not taken effect? [04:49] obnauticus (n=l@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:50] parimo (n=parimo__@28.Red-79-152-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:50] it can't if it end abruptly(or at least that's my thinking) [04:50] your thinking is wrong [04:50] you only had to umount and then remount the modified entry [04:50] dimm0k_ (n=dimm0k@71.183.177.83) joined ##slackware. [04:50] Well, I am only human ;) [04:50] has the change taken effect? (yes/no). if not, what is the change you tried to make? [put change here] [04:51] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [04:53] mancha, I'm trying to get it where I can save files to my vfat partition on my sata !TB drive >.> [04:54] dimm0k (n=dimm0k@71.183.189.172) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [04:54] why tb? [04:54] ok, do you mind starting from the beginning? what prevents you from saving files to our vfat partition? [04:54] for what r u using your pc? [04:55] jescis: most likely you changes the tags on your vfat from owner to user and had to reload, am I correct? [04:55] hello world [04:55] acidtripper, anything from video recording(for youtube) and storage of old music and more [04:55] yo Nigromante [04:56] I remember an option that I was not sure about [04:56] jescis, for external hd drive I would recommend ntfs instead of vfat [04:56] when I compiled the kernel [04:56] but youtube is online not hosted on your pc [04:56] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [04:56] Nigromante, it's an internal SATA [04:57] parimo (n=parimo__@28.Red-79-152-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [04:57] ok the same [04:57] jecsis what prevented you from saving to your vfat? [04:57] I chose I/O Path Selector based on the service time [04:57] I do not know if this has something to do with the occasional hangs [04:57] mancha, only root can do it [04:58] it may be permissions problem [04:58] only root can do what? mount it? or access the mounted dir? [04:59] Nigromante, it is. I'm trying to figure out the settings I need :\ [04:59] does it auto-mount on boot or do you have to manually mount? [04:59] try using "umask=002" options in your fstab entry [04:59] example: [05:00] /dev/sda5 /mnt/data_1 ntfs-3g user,noauto,uid=0,gid=6,umask=002,locale=es_ES.UTF-8 0 0 [05:00] so users in disk group (gid 6) have rw access [05:01] marto29sf sorry to tell you that you need to do some work first [05:01] mancha, I have it auto mounted [05:02] ok, so you need to have it mount with the right permissions [05:02] jescis the comment above was for you... ^^ [05:03] Nigromante, I know... I was respnding to mancha's question ;) [05:03] ah ok :-P [05:03] jescis, the umask=xyz mount option will allow this to be readable/writable by the non-mounter (root in this case) [05:03] the other crap is just crap [05:04] Action: jescis tries to wipe the poop off his fstab file... [05:04] mancha, it wont come off!! [05:05] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-yhjevenfltsmhjci) joined ##slackware. [05:05] you can also do a "man mount" to get the info you need so you can customize to your needs... [05:06] and next time, if the vfat mount point is /mnt/vfat, don't mount-a, just umount /mnt/vfat;mount /mnt/vfat [05:06] landy (n=landy@59.92.190.255) joined ##slackware. [05:06] rignes (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) joined ##slackware. [05:07] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@97-117-91-177.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:07] mancha, it works now \o/ [05:07] thank Nigromante and mancha [05:07] yrw [05:08] remember the file size limit in vfat, though [05:08] (if you plan to store video) [05:09] * or ISO images [05:09] (or dvd video iso images... :-) ) [05:10] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [05:10] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@174-23-157-163.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [05:12] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "leaving" [05:13] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [05:15] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:16] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [05:16] Action: jescis loves S;ackware 13.0 :o~~ [05:16] 13.0 is nice and fast, but the memory handling has something to be desired [05:16] Slackware* [05:17] rignes_ (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:17] memory handling? [05:17] mfillpot, at least I get my full video resolution >.> [05:18] x1user (i=1000@host-212-75-8-69.bbccable.net) joined ##slackware. [05:18] Buggaboo: some official apps eat too much memory, but that is not pat's fault [05:18] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-70-18-154-166.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:18] morning children [05:19] jescis: what other distro(s) were you running that couldn't do the full resolution [05:19] aha, which apps? Have you ran valgrind on them? [05:19] hi [05:19] Action: Buggaboo makes mental note, reinstall valgrind... [05:19] Buggaboo: what is valgrind? [05:19] Mornin',slackers [05:19] hi [05:20] mfillpot, valgrind checks for memory usage. free, leaks... etc. [05:20] Buggaboo: someone needs to update that in slackbuilds [05:20] or use kcachegrind if you want some gui. [05:20] mfillpot, Slackware 12.2 or less and others(except for those that supported ATI Radeon 9550 driver *cough* ubuntu *cough* ) [05:21] jescis: that explains it [05:21] mfillpot, whatcha mean? [05:22] jescis: buntu and others with older drivers [05:23] bbiab [05:23] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-70-18-154-166.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [05:23] Radeon 9550 is the only good card I found with fb support :\ [05:23] ugh, the slack store sorely needs a revamp. [05:24] of vourse gentoo is my other favorite linux distro... second only to Slackware ;) [05:25] s/vourse/course [05:26] we need official slackware beermugs, one for each release [05:26] gentoo could be bearable if you compile on mounted memory and setup icecc or distcc backed up with ccache. [05:26] otherwise a complete waste of electricity... [05:27] eh, it worked for me. [05:27] x1user (i=1000@host-212-75-8-69.bbccable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:27] he's just bitching about compiling [05:28] at least gentoo doesn't try to imitate windoze ;) [05:28] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [05:28] sabayon.org is nicer. [05:28] only don't run it as a server. [05:28] well, most linux distros have tried to imitate windows [05:29] I like compiling... seeing all that text scroll by o.o [05:29] then you can debug, which is much fun too [05:29] :-P [05:30] Action: jescis rather imitate Mac OS >.> [05:30] Action: Nigromante thinks Mac OS imitates another Unix variant... [05:31] x1user (i=1000@host-212-75-8-69.bbccable.net) joined ##slackware. [05:31] freebsd? :D [05:31] Nigromante, only X does... before that it was totally different ;) [05:32] do I have to set my mouse using fdi files nowadays? [05:32] I think linux should have explored the "door" concept, instead of window [05:33] Buggaboo: depends: does it work? [05:33] it works, but the buttons are not optimal... [05:33] Nigromante, lol @ door concept :D [05:34] Buggaboo: then yes [05:34] yep, it is near the Gate's one... (!) [05:35] xmodmap -e "..." gives me an error. [05:37] xmodmap -pp gives me the pointer mappings. [05:39] Action: Buggaboo fires up xev to try again [05:41] Action: Nigromante is trying k3b ... [05:42] don't forget to add yourself to /etc/group cdrom [05:42] and whatnot... plugdev ... [05:42] I am [05:42] thx [05:43] ugh... xmodmap gives me: Warning: Only changing the first 7 of 32 buttons. [05:43] X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) [05:43] xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 3 8 4 5 2 9" [05:43] grrr... [05:44] Action: Buggaboo goes to read up on fdi [05:46] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) joined ##slackware. [05:46] k3b hanged in the end [05:47] stil waiting [05:47] hm. that sucks. [05:47] to cancel or not to cancel... [05:47] parimo (n=parimo__@28.Red-79-152-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:48] wait [05:48] always kill when testing halting problem... [05:48] srecko (n=srecko@93-141-20-239.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [05:49] should I wait? [05:49] parimo (n=parimo__@28.Red-79-152-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [05:49] Do I have to copy and modify /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-input-policy.fdi to change my mouse? [05:50] ehm, 10-usbcsr-mice.fdi even. [05:51] hm sweet. [05:51] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [05:51] apparently some ubuntu user already made an fdi file for my evoluent mouse. [05:55] see, ubuntu users aren't all bad ;) [05:55] ZmAY (n=xxx@89-212-225-234.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [05:56] where can i get amarok 1.4 [05:57] The damned lyrics thingy doesn't work on my machine [05:57] Slackware 13.0 has amarok 2.1.1 ;) [05:58] I don't get how the scripts are loaded when I use the interface to get more scripts. [05:58] 2.x.x suck [05:58] no way! [05:58] it seems that way... [05:58] what sucks about it? [05:59] parimo_ (n=parimo__@84.77.6.76) joined ##slackware. [06:00] jescis, do you have lyrics? [06:01] jescis, I mean do you have a script that actually works? [06:01] o wait. [06:01] hm. [06:01] ZmAY, you could download the version youi want from amarok and then download the slackbuild zip file changing the version number corrisponding to the version you downloaded ;) [06:02] btw, guys [06:02] how do I make xfce activate the window on hover? [06:03] o nevermind, the lyrics thing works purrrrfectly. [06:03] Buggaboo, I don't use it, even when in windows using WMP or any other app :\ [06:03] Action: Buggaboo sings along to "happiness is a warm gun" [06:03] haha :D [06:03] NetNightmare (n=netnight@dynamic-adsl-94-37-229-79.clienti.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [06:04] Action: jescis prefers a real song book :\ [06:05] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:06] why settle for only lyrics, when chordie.com and others have lyrics with the guitar chords/tabs? [06:07] Action: jescis is a performer/entertainer as well as a computer smart ass ;) [06:08] oh fsck. [06:08] amarok is not stable at all. [06:08] :( [06:08] no? [06:09] bwahck (n=bwahck@c-7c4972d5.05-211-6e6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. 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[06:10] hey slackers [06:10] otherwise it's a great app ;) [06:11] now if only the people at irssi will fix their scripts :\ [06:12] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [06:14] speaking of fixing scripts [06:15] rc.inet1 tries to get DHCP on wireless interfaces which are switched off, which makes boot times huge [06:15] is there a standard way around this [06:15] ZmAY (n=xxx@89-212-225-234.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:16] disable dhcp on those interfaces or set lower timeout [06:17] Action: Nigromante is trying to make package for last k3b version [06:17] but when I power the interface on (it's a laptop) I want it to work without having to re-enable DHCP [06:17] when you power it on you would have to run dhcpcd on it anyways [06:18] answer: do not run something at boot for a device not on at boot [06:19] mancha: exactly, but the power state of the device differs across boots [06:19] AALinux (n=AALinux@119.40.88.219) joined ##slackware. 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[07:31] usr_loca1 (n=usr_loca@c-76-97-113-50.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [07:32] linXea (n=e@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:32] linXea (n=e@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:33] spook: nice =) alternative: rsync directory user@ip:/path [07:33] rather, rsync -r directory/ user@ip:/path/directory/ [07:34] pi31415: make sure you get the order right, or Bad Things Will Happen (tm) [07:35] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [07:36] how does one use .rar files on slackware? [07:36] TwinReverb: check unrar on slackbuilds [07:37] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:37] ah [07:37] TwinReverb: basically, "unrar x file.rar" [07:37] why isn't unrar included in slackware? [07:37] non-free [07:37] yeah [07:38] the version you dl is the trial version form the rarlabs site [07:38] and your supose to buy a license for it [07:38] theres an unrar package on alienbob's site [07:38] I am using rtorrent on a machine with multiple users and I want to make it independent on witch user is logged in. And to work if no user is logged in at all. Any help? pls [07:38] you could install from the source from rarlabs site [07:39] Keiffer: run it in screen [07:39] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:39] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-124-73.multimo.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:39] My unrar package uses the rarlabs unrar source (those are freeware). The rar source is non-free, not even available publicly [07:40] i find it wierd tho [07:40] most people just want to unrar one file and be done with it [07:40] ok. and how will that help? does screen makes it independent of user logging in / out? [07:40] well the thing is tho he version you get from them is a trial version but the trial version works forever [07:41] TwinReverb: rar is horrible and should die [07:41] I think p7zip can unrar [07:41] spook, oh well, /me must use it for an .iso from bittorrent [07:41] I like the idea of a multiple-format archive utility [07:41] because no one seems to carry around the legitimate copy of windows xp home|pro|media [07:41] Action: TwinReverb fixes other people's computers [07:42] TwinReverb: theres lots of little things that should be in slackware, unrar is a bit far down on the list [07:42] Keiffer: create a user, su to that user, and run screen first [07:42] the cd doesn't matter it is the key that matters [07:42] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:42] Keiffer: after starting screen, run rtorrent, then press Ctrl-a d [07:42] Rar is used primarily by the illegal warez community. Real slackers should use p7zip - better compression and same feature set as rar [07:42] well yeah if it's non-free then nevermind [07:42] alienBOB, yeah but real slackers didn't start the torrent i needed [07:43] (unfortunately) [07:43] Keiffer: to get it back, su to that user again and run screen -r [07:43] Well I guess there will not be Linux software inside that rar file TwinReverb [07:43] fake slackers can use p7zip too [07:44] pi31415, thanks you. but how will this help me? is screen independent of user logging in /out? [07:44] alienBOB, yeah. but i gotta help my friends [07:44] a windows xp reinstall is sometimes a good time to convince them that slackware is so much better than windows [07:44] TwinReverb: I understand. But I hope you also understand why unrar is not part of Slackware [07:45] Keiffer: a screen session keeps running after the user logs out [07:45] alienBOB, i totally understand, it was a question based on curiosity, but i am ignorant of rar [07:45] if it's non-free the forget it [07:45] And you can pick up again with "screen -r" when you login again [07:45] eawpats (a set of free patches for timidity) is distributed as an rar archive [07:45] Keiffer: yes [07:45] i figure i'm helping keep the internet clean when i help someone reinstall windows xp (and properly this time, tweaked and secured) [07:46] i own xp pro, the last windows i bought [07:46] The unrar sources are free to use [07:46] i already told my wife i'm not buying vista [07:46] Keiffer: man screen is probally a bit cryptic. screen -r will resume the screen, -rd will detach it where it is and reattach it for you. inside screen ctrl+a, d will detech [07:47] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:47] TwinReverb: buy win7 [07:47] spook, yes. i read it but it gave me the impression that it work only for current user. [07:47] Action: TwinReverb barfs [07:47] i think the reason 7z can unrar .rar is becasue it sues the unrar code [07:47] i'm not buying windows again. ever. [07:47] uses* [07:47] unless someone pointed a gun at my wife and/or kids and made me [07:47] but by the time the installation was over, they'd be dead [07:48] the source for this ppmd compression utility is distributed as an rar archive http://compression.ru/ds/ [07:48] Keiffer: yes, its single user. but as was suggested, you create a new user which runs the screen session, and other users could su and reattach the screen [07:48] TwinReverb: the windows xp activation bothers me.. it is typical for windows machines to need a reinstall once in a while, and after 3 reinstalls i need to call microsoft for permission [07:49] pi31415: i have a magic xp disk which passes WGA, doesn't require activation. [07:49] pi31415: it's actually not typical at all [07:50] ananke: you do not support the same users that I do [07:50] vlk [07:50] pi31415, it's normal for windows xp to suck but oh well [07:50] i jsut use xp9in1 with the legitamt oem pro keys i ahve [07:50] pi31415: which doesn't make your experience typical outside of your environment [07:50] in windows xp many applications require at least power user privileges [07:50] and i can get more legit xxp pro oem keys too [07:51] and many of my users, in spite of running an up to date antivirus, get viruses from social networks [07:51] Kamus_Away[xi] (n=xxxxxx@unaffiliated/xxxxxx) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:51] myspace, facebook, etc [07:51] pi31415: not to mention you ought to consider running oem windows. that would solve that issue [07:51] becasue at my college we use a vlk key for all the machines so and i know the ppl in it so they elt me grab some fo the keys if i want to [07:52] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: "Lost terminal" [07:52] ananke: oem windows is non-transferrable so it could make the problem worse. had to replace the motherboard? tough, it counts, under the license, as a new computer [07:52] Action: spook has a VLK-gen. [07:53] i had a vlk key and vlk cd but some asshole registered it and now i can't use the key here it comes up and sayys this key can not be used in your area [07:53] and the vlk gens i've used have never seemd to work for me [07:54] oem versions of windows server have some features removed [07:54] toastytoast: here's a novel idea: buy your software. [07:54] Action: TwinReverb bought his [07:54] i did buy xp prooem at one point [07:54] i bought a retail copy of xp at staples for my wife's computer [07:54] i don't think i should have to buy a new copy everyime i want to isntall on a different computer [07:54] once a hard drive died [07:54] once i installed linux [07:55] now i have a key for windows xp media center but i bought my laptop used from a friend who didn't get software for this computer when he bought it [07:55] the odds of me getting a copy legit or not are basically impossible [07:55] i'm proud to have never purchased a copy of windows. yay linux [07:55] i forget what the other reinstall was for [07:55] but since slackware linux is better than windows xp, i'm good to go 8-) [07:55] and like i said i have access to a large number of xp pro oem keys that aren't being used [07:55] but i had to call microsoft for permission to reinstall the OS that I paid too much for [07:55] and have worked on everymachine i've used them on [07:56] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [07:56] so atm i have no need to buy another copy of xp fo atleast a little while [07:56] toastytoast: i believe that's outside of the scope of what freenode likes to promote [07:56] just run windows xp on kvm linux... [07:56] you'll never need to buy another copy. [07:57] Buggaboo: i have xp, vista and 7 all lined up [07:57] buggaboo: until windows xp becomes like windows 98: full of known unfixable security holes [07:57] well it was brought up by othe rppl so i added my 2 cents [07:57] toastytoast: they're talking about legitimate licenses. you're not. [07:58] bbl, have to reboot X. Check if my fdi for the mouse works. [07:58] i love how the small print says a license is only legitimate if you have the receipt [07:58] so how does one remove a directory from an ISO ? [07:58] the box and sticker count for naught [07:58] then I need to figure out how to get ath5k to work. [07:59] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578BC4.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:00] well i'm not sure exactly what you mean but t3chnicly the licenses i'm talking about are legit they were payed for and then you could say they were sold to me like one would buy on ebay [08:00] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [08:00] toastytoast: the license does not allow resale [08:01] well w/e i'm not poaying for them since thye are gicven to me i was jsuty trying to use that as an example [08:01] toastytoast: you also sign away the soul of your firstborn to the nth generation [08:02] since the school uses there own vlk they have an excess of other keys and older computer that they aren't l;egally alowed to sell so they give them away to ppl who need/would liekt o have them [08:03] they technicly throw them out but since some ppl can still sue them if the said person asks they give it to the said person [08:03] toastytoast: last time i checked, key generators are not. [08:03] i'm not talking bout keygens [08:03] i said i used on before and it didn't work [08:03] i haven't used one for a long time [08:03] some one else said they had a vlk key gen [08:03] i was talking about how i can get alot of keys from my school [08:04] 07:53 toastytoast> and the vlk gens i've used have never seemd to work for me [08:04] since liike i said they use there own vlk [08:04] yes iw as saying that they didn't work [08:04] and right before i said that [08:04] * spook has a VLK-gen. [08:04] i was saying 5that in response to what spook said [08:05] inet6 (n=jj@ppp-128-248.32-151.iol.it) left irc: "Sto andando via" [08:06] toastytoast: it works with the iso i have. :) [08:06] i do not use a keygen anymore becasue like ive stated i can get a bunch of currently unused keys from my school [08:06] which i use 9 in 1 to install depending on the key i have and the key is a key that microsoft made and distributed [08:07] that 'unused key' is still legally sketchy. chances are your school is not allowed to transfer those [08:07] well in the end they are going to throw the machin and key away when they upg4rade [08:07] point being: fine and dandy, but you may want to not discuss this on freenode. [08:08] ok [08:09] anway can we get back to discussing slackware? [08:09] the unused key is not sketchy. it's wrong: you don't own that key, period. [08:09] yeah back to slack [08:11] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.16.201) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:12] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [08:13] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:13] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [08:13] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:13] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [08:14] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:16] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [08:16] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:17] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: SendQ exceeded [08:24] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [08:24] Hello! [08:25] limac (n=limac@ool-45745802.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [08:25] hi [08:32] How do I update the mirrors of Slackpkg to include 12.3? [08:32] ... [08:33] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:33] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [08:34] limac: /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [08:35] can someone give me an example of how to use screen? [08:36] spook, umm and then? [08:36] TwinReverb: type screen and press ctrl-a ? [08:37] limac: add the mirrors? [08:37] spook, how do I do that? manually? [08:37] TwinReverb: screen has its own cut and paste and scrollback buffer [08:37] limac: look at the current contents. modify as needed. [08:37] jsut vi the mirror list and uncomment one [08:37] how do i get out of the screen but leave the task running? [08:37] TwinReverb: press ctrl-a [ to cut and ctrl-a ] to paste [08:37] (ssh into a machine to run a command, etc) [08:37] TwinReverb: i have irssi in one window, and the rest are to various other shells [08:38] to get out of screen press ctrl-a d [08:38] TwinReverb: ctrl+a, ? lists the stuff you can use [08:38] spook, oh, that didn't exactly occur to me... Thank you very much :) [08:38] ah now i remember, thanks [08:38] my favorite feature of screen is that multiple users can share the same screen, like vnc but for the command line [08:39] Action: pi31415 suspects that he is on TwinReverb's ignore list [08:39] i'm not, i heard you pi31415 [08:40] you're the one that helped me detach my screen session [08:40] i just needed to run a command and let the command go [08:40] thanks for allaying my paranoia [08:41] TwinReverb: i think theres a switch which will immediately detach. [08:41] Action: TwinReverb has no clue [08:41] but thanks [08:41] screen -d -m [08:41] line 204 of the manual page [08:41] ah [08:42] john_dee (n=id@93-81-118-71.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [08:42] Action: TwinReverb did /example [08:42] usually i just look for examples because that gets me to point B fast [08:42] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [08:43] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.207.16.201) joined ##slackware. [08:46] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.16) joined ##slackware. [08:46] cuba33ci (i=cuba33ci@118-160-169-242.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [08:47] hmm, so what's going to happen to slamd64? will it be continued? [08:47] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.16) joined ##slackware. [08:48] shrug [08:48] You may want to ask the slamd64 maintainers :-) [08:49] maintainer. fred. [08:49] adamk: thanks for the insight [08:50] pgeek|| (i=pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) joined ##slackware. [08:51] I wonder if slackware has a scheme implementation. [08:51] adeodatus: hmmm? [08:52] snearch (n=olaf@e179131246.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [08:53] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:53] mlangdn (n=michael@72-4-62-5.customers.cinergycom.net) joined ##slackware. [08:54] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [08:58] adeodatus: slackware has guile [08:59] adding mit's scheme is simple enough too [08:59] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:00] mancha: How to add mit scheme to slackware? [09:00] _AnywhereIs_ (n=edK@94.41.37.38.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:01] they provide the source, it is a simple compile (or you can make a package out of it) [09:01] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-70-18-154-166.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:01] y0 slackers....How's everyone? [09:02] <_AnywhereIs_> heya guys. my first meeting with slackware linux... i wonder can i install latest 13.0 release over the net if i only have 12.2 on DVD? i have fast internet connection and don't want to waste a DVD :) [09:02] Tirili (n=opera@dslc-082-083-158-026.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:03] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:03] yeah, especially givendvd prohibitive prices these days, what is it now $0.14 a pop? [09:03] _AnywhereIs_: you need the 13.0 medium [09:03] _AnywhereIs_: yes you could, but i'd recommend having the packages locally somewhere [09:03] _AnywhereIs_: usually you could, but not with 13; 13.0 swich package format [09:03] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [09:03] _AnywhereIs_: you can't use your 12.2 DVD for it, but you could get the USB boot version for slackware 13 and use that to intsall from the net. [09:03] er, switched* [09:03] _AnywhereIs_: you can just get the first CD though or a USB boot [09:04] If you have even the tiniest USB memory thingy. [09:04] <_AnywhereIs_> :( okay i'll fetch 13.0 and try netboot it... [09:04] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [09:04] <_AnywhereIs_> assume it will be easier solution [09:04] yes. [09:04] I have to praise your concern for the environment. [09:04] We all think too lightly about wasting a DVD. [09:05] Action: spook does everything over the network [09:05] Together we can minimize Slackware's CO2 footprint. [09:05] Action: _AnywhereIs_ used to do the same [09:05] *grouphug* [09:05] DVD+RW [09:05] I avoid optical media as much as I can, they're such a hassle :D [09:06] Action: _AnywhereIs_ gone setting up his secondary server :) [09:06] But they're necessary to boot so many machines. [09:06] _AnywhereIs_ (n=edK@94.41.37.38.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left ##slackware ("Why so many things between us, humans? We built for ourselves a castles where we live alone, how is this good?"). [09:06] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:06] I dunno, most machines I have boot from USB no problem. [09:06] Since I had grub already installed on my machine, I simply downloaded the hugesmp kernel and the initrd to my machine, loaded them from grub, and did the installation over the net. [09:06] what would be nice is a universal way of booting via pxe from isos [09:07] THe ones that don't, I throw in the garbage. [09:07] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) joined ##slackware. [09:07] SuN: you can throw them over here ... tons of them still exist [09:07] i find the only thing nessisary is pxe. [09:08] mingdao: why would you want me to throw a 400MHz Celeron machine your way? ;) [09:08] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:08] all bios makers should patch their old sh*t and make the booting options 21st centuty [09:08] SuN: we aren't as wealthy in this country as in yours ... they make nice servers ;) [09:08] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [09:08] SuN: course, you can keep any and all Celerons ;) [09:08] Hah [09:09] Poor countries with attitudes :/ [09:09] they were never worth what someone paid for them ... too small L2 cache [09:09] The fastest growing internet user base in the world is here. [09:10] I'm giving one of my old boxen to someone who's never even used a computer. [09:10] Imagine when you're actually allowed to see more than half of it! [09:10] limac (n=limac@ool-45745802.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [09:10] The bandwidth implications would be huge. [09:10] :P [09:10] do you think that putting cron to execute @reboot /usr/bin/screen -dmS rtorrent /usr/local/bin/rtorrent will help me running rtorrent without any user being logged in? [09:11] Here, people give old boxes to me, I guess. [09:11] Reverse chain. [09:11] Keiffer: i don't think dillon's cron has @reboot [09:11] Keiffer: that syntax is for a different crond [09:11] i may be wrong, though [09:11] mlangdn (n=michael@72-4-62-5.customers.cinergycom.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:11] it looks vixie'ish [09:12] so what should i use? [09:12] Keiffer: rc.local [09:12] Keiffer: /etc/rc.d/rc.local perhaps [09:12] You could do something like 'su username -c "/usr/bin/screen -dmS rtorrent /usr/local/bin/rtorrent" ' [09:12] Not that I've actually tried that with screen. [09:12] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [09:13] do you need su for torrent? [09:13] also, see screen rc [09:13] screenrc rather [09:13] oh, never mind, i see you're suggesting he run it from rc.local and as root that'd be dumb [09:13] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.230) left irc: "Leaving." [09:14] mancha: he could run a script that su to the user [09:14] rtorrent doesn't do daemonizing i take it? [09:14] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:15] transmission has three components, a gtk client, a console client and a daemon [09:16] spook: not to mention, original question basically called for running it as root, so you provided exactly just that [09:17] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.230) joined ##slackware. [09:17] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:17] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) joined ##slackware. [09:18] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-90-126.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:18] Tirili (n=opera@dslc-082-083-158-026.pools.arcor-ip.net) left ##slackware. [09:19] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-90-126.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:21] muumi_ (n=chatzill@82.114.81.90) joined ##slackware. [09:22] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [09:23] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) left irc: [09:24] I like the idea that optical media, like paper tape, has a long string of punched holes. [09:24] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) joined ##slackware. [09:24] get a CD/DVD burner that punches holes in your CD/DVD blank media [09:25] lol.......swiss cheese coasters..:D [09:26] Pig_Pen: rather, punches holes in a layer within the media [09:27] a surface [09:27] parimo (n=parimo__@28.Red-79-152-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [09:27] not all the way through? [09:28] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-90-126.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:28] if i had a high powered microscope i would like to look at the difference between a blank CDR and one that has had data burned to it [09:28] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [09:29] Pig_Pen: you can eyeball a burned CDR and see the difference between the burned section and the blank section [09:29] buy one [09:29] muumi (n=chatzill@82.114.68.18) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:29] Pig_Pen: it is more pronounced if you burn a small amount of data [09:29] tty3 (n=tty3@unaffiliated/tty3) joined ##slackware. [09:29] yeah, but under a microscope it would show more detail [09:29] Hello all [09:30] How i download slack 64 bits 13.0 version? [09:30] i have heard of USB microscopes [09:30] I search but ftp, i cannot find [09:30] tty3: have you visited slackware's website? [09:30] ananke: yes [09:30] tty3: slack does not have the bandwidth for ftp [09:30] tty3: ohh, you want ftp download. you may find it on some mirrors [09:30] tty3: try a bittorrent client [09:31] Pig_Pen, http://www.adorama.com/CNMSA500.html [09:31] I find [09:31] thanks [09:31] :$ [09:31] tty3 (n=tty3@unaffiliated/tty3) left ##slackware. [09:32] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-90-126.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:33] Pig_Pen: http://www.flickr.com/photos/eaj836/2559025266/ [09:33] Where can I find slckware packages? In particular Firefox 5.3 [09:33] shik4nt4z4: what [09:34] 5.3 will require waiting a few years [09:34] mancha: Why? [09:34] it doesnt exist yet [09:35] snearch (n=olaf@e179131246.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [09:35] Ups, I mean Firefox 3.5.3 :-) sorry [09:35] shik4nt4z4: it comes with slackware 13.0 [09:35] 13 does the 3.5 line....should be on any mirror [09:36] appzer0: that looks like a closeup of faded blue denim jeans [09:36] if 3.5.3 is not the one shipped witht he distrib check the patches dir [09:37] and subscribe to slackware-security while you're at it [09:37] OK. Thank you! [09:38] samuelig (n=samuelig@215.pool85-57-132.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [09:38] appzer0: nice photograph! [09:39] thx pi31415 but it's not mine :) [09:39] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.174.127.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [09:39] dimm0k (n=dimm0k@pool-71-183-182-80.nycmny.east.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [09:40] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:41] parimo (n=parimo__@28.Red-79-152-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [09:42] john_dee (n=id@93-81-118-71.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:42] mancha: Where does makepkg put the files of a new created package? [09:42] adeodatus: uh [09:42] refugiado (n=refugiad@187.41.180.71) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [09:42] look in /tmp [09:43] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [09:43] adeodatus makepkg should output that at the end of creation, but as a general rule most will use flags that put the thing in /tmp [09:43] when i run makepkg i use the full path in the command for example: makepkg /tmp/Package_Name.tgz [09:43] parimo (n=parimo__@28.Red-79-152-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:44] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-90-126.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:44] and i always use a Capital letter in naming my packages so they are at the top of the list of packages in /var/log/packages [09:45] Pig_Pen: together with MPlayer ;) [09:45] i noticed 13 has done that with MPlayer [09:46] ScreamerX (n=screamer@85.124.97.195) joined ##slackware. [09:46] hello [09:46] hi ScreamerX [09:46] how do i download files from my mobile with bluetooth? [09:46] Pig_Pen: when mplayer was only on slackbuilds, it was still a capital letter [09:47] i start /etc/rc.d/rc.bluetooth, then i try "hcitool scan". this gives me the mac of my mobile [09:47] ScreamerX: you need to pair the devices first [09:47] blackula (i=1000@97.81.105.128) joined ##slackware. [09:48] if i do hcitool cc 00:00... and then hcitool auth 00:00 ... it says: not connected [09:49] i have inserted 1234 to /etc/bluetooth/passkeys/default as it is described in the readme file [09:50] spook: how do pair the devices? [09:51] ScreamerX: well you're on the right track, setting a passkey. [09:51] spook: may you give me an introduction step by step how to do that? [09:52] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [09:52] aed did you find our package? [09:52] ScreamerX: to be honest, it usually takes me a few hours to figure it out, because i only did every 6 months or so. i remember you had to set a passkey, then pair the devices, i think it did that from the phone, then you can use the obex family of tools [09:53] bluetooth hardware works, because it does its job under windows :-) [09:53] I've found the package and it's seems that makepkg made directory with doinst.sh.How to install it? [09:53] usually you installpkg packag_name.(tgz|txz) [09:54] not sure what you mean with doinst.sh (the is executed upon install) [09:54] s/the/that/ [09:55] spook: my phone is able to find "BlueZ (0)". then i press connect. it asks me for the pin. i enter: 1234. then my mobile says: pairing not possible. retry? [09:56] ScreamerX: i think perhaps you had to set a key in /var somewhere, that was specific to the device trying to pair with the pc [09:56] ScreamerX: as i said, i really dont know exactly what to do, i can only offer vague suggestions [09:57] surrealgirl (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [09:57] it worked some time ago (i was using slack 12.1 or so). but now i need it again and cant get it to work :-( [09:58] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-70-18-154-166.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [10:00] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-154-166.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:00] refugiado (n=refugiad@187.41.225.152) joined ##slackware. [10:00] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.90.124) left irc: "Leaving." [10:00] ZmAY (n=xxx@89-212-225-234.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [10:01] can someone help me configure ices [10:01] there is probably some hoop you forgot to jump through, any config file somewhere you forget to edit? [10:01] as far as i figured out: /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf contains the pin for every incoming connection and /etc/bluetooth/passkeys/default for every outgoing connection [10:02] evo- (n=evo@p4FCF0AB3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [10:03] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:04] hah the qnap network drives put a backdoor when you use full disk encryption [10:04] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [10:05] evo- (n=evo@p4FCF0AB3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Client Quit [10:06] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:06] howdy folks :-) [10:06] macavity: g'day [10:09] y0 macavity [10:10] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:12] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [10:14] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:16] MLanden, howdy [10:16] y0 edman007 [10:16] y0 [10:17] m314 (n=mt@87.63.32.249) joined ##slackware. [10:17] Action: edman007 needs something to do [10:20] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:21] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:21] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.174.127.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [10:24] edman007: have a right hand? [10:25] morning macavity [10:25] :( [10:25] hi everybody [10:25] edman007: no? hmmm, think you can bend yourself enough? xD [10:25] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:25] Action: edman007 slaps Camarade_Tux [10:27] y0 Camarade_Tux [10:27] edman007: ^^ [10:27] yoyo MLanden [10:29] Action: MLanden has the strange feeling of bein' tied with a string and spun up and down 'til he pukes...(@)_(@) [10:29] Padhu (n=Padhu@58.68.26.146) joined ##slackware. [10:29] sajes (n=sajes@67.143.34.85) joined ##slackware. [10:30] Action: edman007 plays with MLanden's strings [10:30] Action: MLanden heaves on edman007 [10:31] :( [10:31] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176016729.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [10:31] Action: MLanden commends edman007 was in luck,as that was a dry one...:D [10:33] So how do you guys upgrade your systems? swaret or something similar? Or do you do it just with pkgtools alone? [10:33] slackpkg [10:34] check which mirrors are up and comment out the ones that are down [10:34] ZmAY (n=xxx@89-212-225-234.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:34] alright, thanks. [10:35] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-137-1.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:36] HolyFractal (n=HolyFrac@76.73.16.26) joined ##slackware. [10:37] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:38] blackthorne (n=bthorne@unaffiliated/blackthorne) joined ##slackware. [10:42] awww jea [10:45] Holy Fractals Batman! [10:46] marchhare (n=marchhar@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [10:46] What the fractal is going on here? [10:46] i had a book in my dream last night and chapter one was "The Holy Fractal" [10:46] blackthorne (n=bthorne@unaffiliated/blackthorne) left irc: [10:46] do fractals have anything to do with chaos? [10:46] i was like cool, and i looked at the back cover (library book i stole) and it said "This Book Contains Dogma" with 2 checkboxes by it [10:47] i dont know why i can read in my dreams [10:47] stolen dogma is superior to purchased dogma [10:47] she ain't pretty, but Dogma of Oz gets the job done [10:48] my 13.0 -> 12.2 downgrade seems to be complete...had to install the latest findutils to fix the weird xargs error [10:50] ... [10:51] i think the easiest way to do it is to install the slackware 12.2 packages over the 13.0 packages, then make a list of packages that are updated or new in 13.0 (but not ones that are the same in both) and remove those...the files that are in duplicate packages will remain and be 12.2 versions, then you re-run the setup scripts from pkgtool [10:51] HolyFractal: why would you want to [10:52] because its better than formatting [10:52] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [10:52] no i mean why downgrade [10:52] because the new xfce and kde sucked [10:53] kamaji (n=kamaji@94-169-106-162.cable.ubr22.aztw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:53] it seemed to me that kde4 worked better than kde3.5 [10:53] it does work better. [10:53] i dont use kde4 i just use the apps [10:53] for example, when i opened a pdf in kde3.5, closed it, and later tried to open another pdf, i could not because it had created a duplicate, non-working file association [10:53] and they made them all ugly and stuff [10:53] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.16) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:53] i use xpdf [10:54] kamaji (n=kamaji@94-169-106-162.cable.ubr22.aztw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [10:54] i got my ksokoban back :) [10:54] the only kde apps i really use are the file manager, konsole, and okular [10:54] i use kate and some of the games [10:54] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176016729.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [10:54] m314 (n=mt@87.63.32.249) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:54] if you are happy with what you have, don't upgrade. [10:54] sadly the new file manager truncates long file names, making them harder for me to read [10:55] it is otherwise adequate [10:55] all which looked like crap in 4....they should stop letting their artists takeover [10:55] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.56.118.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [10:55] i may upgrade most of the packages but im not going to upgrade xfce or kde..depends how long 12.2 patches are released [10:56] holyfractal: you might try the twm environment, it never changes [10:56] you can't mix 12.2 and 13.0 packages [10:56] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578BC4.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:56] i have, i use it on my gentoo chroot with vncviewer [10:56] XGizzmo: not true [10:56] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [10:57] blackthorne (n=bthorne@unaffiliated/blackthorne) joined ##slackware. [10:57] XGizzmo: rofl [10:57] if you have a brain you can [10:57] ok, upgradepkg has some buggy functionality built in [10:57] it tried to be smarter than me and failed [10:57] some packages remained unchanged between 12.2 and 13.0, so... [10:58] What scritp is run at startup? I mean the one that sets the font, the time after the screen will get blank... [10:58] there was no abi change...just dont update some libraries like qt if you arent going to update kde...though even that might work [10:58] you cant just take ANY combination of 12.2 and 13.0 packages and expect them to work. [10:58] shik4nt4z4: chmod -x /etc/rc.d/rc.font* [10:59] obviously there will be exceptions, but they are few. [10:59] mancha what broke? [10:59] Thank you! And for blanking the screen? [10:59] neither "won't work together" nor "will work together" is accurate [10:59] i was generally impressed with the quality of slackware 13.0 [11:00] some of the desktop defaults were retarded. for example, kde started with 2 separate battery meters.. that seemed redundant [11:00] shik4nt4z4: im assuming the font change is what caused the screen to blank??? [11:00] one on both sides of the clock in the task bar [11:00] kde4 looks like horse shit [11:01] if i wanted vistard or osux i'd use that [11:01] hence why i dont use kde4 and why they are destroying linux [11:01] HolyFractal: Here is a file where I can setup the time after the screen will get blank in TUI. Not GUI. Like a power managment tool. [11:01] i actually like the kde4 interface [11:01] Then don't use it [11:01] it looks different but functions the same as before [11:02] shik4ntn: ah ok lets see [11:02] except that it seems to have fewer glitches now [11:02] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [11:03] well fuck me, i am definitely patching this shit, unacceptable script behavior [11:03] if i recall correctly, kde4 collapsed the start menu into a single level before windows vista did [11:03] pi31415: yep [11:03] Action: sajes fucks mancha. [11:03] so who is imitating whom? [11:03] KDE4 development was out ahead of vista by a long shot [11:03] So does somebody know how can I change the time after the screen gets blank in TUI? [11:04] shik4nt4z4: is it setterm ? [11:04] HolyFractal: Yes it is. Thank you very much. [11:05] dont run this im guessing ... echo "/usr/bin/setterm -powerdown 30" >> /etc/rc.d/rc.local [11:05] shik4nt4z4: its in /etc/rc.d/rc.M [11:05] HolyFractal: please do not give fud adive [11:06] spook: Nice. Thank you! [11:06] hrm.. [11:08] Action: HolyFractal fucks mancha [11:08] double penetration ftw. :o [11:08] nachox (n=nacho@190.175.254.117) joined ##slackware. [11:08] he can take it [11:09] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578BC4.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:10] i cant use NVIDIA-180.60 on 2.6.31...it says the kernel is not configured...i think they changed something in the kernel [11:10] And one last thing. How can I use shortcuts like Ctrl+F1 to execute a command? As far I understood that I need to edit the inputrc. But read command gives me the codes just for F1 key, not Ctrl+F1. I did not manage to use the Emacs style shortcuts explained in man readline. [11:10] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@79.54.69.19) joined ##slackware. [11:10] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-124-73.multimo.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [11:10] When I am talking about shortcuts I mean in TUI also. [11:10] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [11:10] i always dread using the latest kernel with the latest nvidia....nvidia is unstable every other version and you dont find out for like 7 hours after installing it [11:10] hi [11:11] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:11] g4tt0: Hello! [11:11] <|alisonken1churc> Dominian: morning [11:11] |alisonken1churc: morning [11:12] <|alisonken1churc> the SIL finally got tired of MS virus crap, so got a macbook. And gave me her HP laptop (since it keeps getting borked) [11:12] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:12] Nick change: |alisonken1churc -> alisonken1home [11:13] alisonken1home: heheh [11:13] so - it's in the process of getting slack13 on it right now [11:13] alisonken1home: which HP? [11:14] alisonken1home: nice [11:14] free laptop ftw [11:14] she came over yesterday so we could d/l her itunes and pictures (using slax live cd) onto the home machine and copy over to her mac since the mac guys wouldn't do it :) [11:14] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:14] hp pavillion widescreen multimedia (minus build-in camera) [11:15] sweet deal,alisonken1home [11:15] 1G ram 160G sata hard drive and dvd [11:15] what is the term for when two scientists discover the same thing though they are not working together? [11:15] alison: did it work? [11:15] pi31415: synchronicity? [11:15] HolyFractal: still installing slack [11:16] pi31415: independent discovery? [11:16] lucky [11:16] no i mean transfering the itunes db [11:16] Dominian: ah - and second high-capacity battery, too [11:16] universal conciousness! [11:16] alisonken1home: nice [11:16] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.56.118.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [11:16] alisonken1home: thank you that is the term i was looking for [11:16] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@cpe-76-176-137-140.san.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:17] nice name [11:17] pi31415: working on the Sunday crossword? [11:17] pprkut, here? [11:17] your xephyr slackbuild for 12.2 needs fixed :P [11:17] muumi_ (n=chatzill@82.114.81.90) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.18/2009090807]" [11:18] then fix it [11:18] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.19.209) joined ##slackware. [11:18] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.19.209) left irc: Client Quit [11:19] x1user (i=1000@host-212-75-8-69.bbccable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:19] Blaguvest (n=chatzill@h68n3-bot-a12.ias.bredband.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:19] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:19] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.19.209) joined ##slackware. [11:21] ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/3.5.3/ [11:21] When I want to open screen I get this message:Cannot access .screen: No such file or directory.What should I do? [11:21] keres (n=keres@ppp-70-245-162-86.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [11:22] juice: shoot [11:22] after install, figure out synaptics and svideo out settings again for this laptop [11:22] juice: though there will be no more updates to 12.2 scripts [11:22] it would be nice to get the svideo as a second output rather than cloned [11:23] adeodatas: strace screen [11:23] alisonken1home, randr is your friend [11:23] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [11:23] pprkut, I sent an email [11:24] basically you have 12.1 version in the config [11:24] rather than 12.2 [11:24] --with-os-name="Slackware 12.1" \ [11:24] should be 12.2 :) [11:25] i noticed xorg on 12.2 says 12.1 [11:25] heh [11:25] you're right, but I consider this neglectable :) [11:25] Build Operating System: Slackware 12.1 Slackware Linux Project [11:25] okay :P [11:25] hmm [11:26] pprkut, thats a major deficiency with sbo [11:26] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) joined ##slackware. [11:26] HolyFractal, your right [11:26] mine does too [11:26] maintainers shoudl only be accepted if they comit to supproting the last xyz versions [11:26] juice im left! [11:26] hehe [11:27] icecat rapes firefox [11:27] mancha: uhm, sorry I don't quite understand :/ [11:28] pprkut, neither do i, mever mind [11:28] heh, ok :) [11:28] he meant "derp dee derp de derpdederp" [11:28] HolyFractal, it has the right version in 13.0 for xorg [11:29] MLanden: no, chatting with my wife about the similarities between pipe organ music and minimalist electronic music (synth melody focus, not rhythm focus) [11:29] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578BC4.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:29] hey guys [11:29] hi [11:29] how do I make xfce select a window when the pointer is hovering over it? [11:29] MLanden: speculating whether it was imitation of Bach or whether it was independent discovery [11:30] pi31415: ahh...i see [11:30] it may be that when working with simpler wave forms (pipe organ versus piano) that similar patterns will naturally sound better [11:31] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [11:31] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-197.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [11:31] Buggaboo: not sure if you can [11:32] HolyFractal, I've been using this feature for years, I just forgot how to do it :P [11:32] slacks (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) joined ##slackware. [11:32] Buggaboo: oh its in Window Manager settings in the settings manager...under focus tab [11:32] gotcha. [11:32] then you can do raise on focus too if you are a true freak! [11:32] thanks. [11:33] raise on focus is freaky [11:34] raising on focus is natural for me [11:34] i do like focus follows mouse combined with X style cut and paste [11:34] more faster better [11:34] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [11:35] i have weird files in /tmp/ CIA World Fact Book.zip parts-of-speech.txt census last names.txt census female first names.txt censuse male first names.txt [11:36] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.207.16.201) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:36] ehm, sounds like you have a nice name-list for brute-forcing. [11:36] gotta have data to do anything fun mirite [11:36] pi31415: some of Bach's pieces are inspired by the other keyboards of his day like portative and positive organs..very interesting topic [11:37] nah, bruteforcing is impractical [11:37] quantcast-top-million.txt [11:37] How to copy the hole text on the screen? [11:38] I want to paste the error text withe wgetpast. [11:38] adeodata: ctrl + a depending on the program....might not be able to copy it all in some cases..better to export it to a file with >/tmp/blah.txt and then open with a real editor to copy ? [11:38] myerrorprog 2>@1 | wgetpaste ? no idea [11:39] is it 2>@1 or 2>&1 any1? [11:40] mlanden: it is interesting. i used to listen to pipe organ music on public radio while strength training to do an 80 mile hike [11:40] i always forget that...have to look it up every time hehe [11:40] there was a station in Eugene, Oregon that would play an hour or two of pipe organ music every weekend [11:41] pi31415: cool [11:42] I'm in a console and I don't have X. [11:42] so far as i know they still do but i no longer live within their broadcast range [11:42] mlanden: how do you know about it? [11:42] anavel (n=Zack@118.136.197.204) joined ##slackware. [11:43] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) left irc: Nick collision from services. [11:43] pi31415: program they used to play on NPR called Harmonia Early Music [11:43] adeodatus: well if wget paste supports pipe in then do program 2>&1 | wgetpaste [11:43] Man-erg (n=meck@93.40.143.197) left irc: "leaving" [11:46] not necessary just pipe organ music but it also showcased on other instruments as well [11:47] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [11:47] seamonkey is bloated [11:47] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:48] HolyFractal: so is links2. [11:48] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:48] How to copy the input from the screen to a file? [11:49] adeodatus, program &> test.txt [11:49] MoarKoolaid (n=MoarKool@76.73.16.26) joined ##slackware. [11:49] I'm in a console. [11:50] echo "blah blah" >> crap.txt [11:50] Kairos (n=Kairos@unaffiliated/kairos) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:50] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [11:51] Umm... today is Sunday, right? [11:51] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-90-126.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:51] HolyFractal: it's "2>&1' [11:52] estevao (n=estevao@189.115.200.150) joined ##slackware. [11:52] Is it possible to execute commands like ls by editing /etc/inputrc? I mean when I press F1 in TUI it will execute ls. [11:52] surrealgirl (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [11:52] HolyFractal (n=HolyFrac@76.73.16.26) left irc: "CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)" [11:53] When I type echo "blah blah" >> crap.txt I get this message:-bash: crap.txt: Permission denied. [11:54] Hilox: where are you? [11:54] adeodatus: type pwd [11:54] shik4nt4z4: you just answered your own question [11:54] Hilox: yes its sunday [11:55] keres (n=keres@ppp-70-245-162-86.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:55] I type pwd. [11:55] adeodatus: press enter [11:56] I'm in /home/adeo [11:56] Thievery Corporation - The Cosmic Game - Revolution Solution [11:57] adeodatus: ls -ld /home/adeo [11:57] spook: If I put "\e[[A": ls it will not execute it. It will just write ls. [11:57] blackorca (n=blackorc@174.152.34.93) joined ##slackware. [11:57] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@79.54.69.19) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [11:57] drwxr-xr-x 5 root root [11:57] shik4nt4z4: ... [11:58] adeodatus: why does root own your home directory? i suggest you fix that. [11:58] spook: So do you know how can make it executing it? [11:59] spook: thanks you very much! [11:59] john_dee (n=id@93-81-118-71.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [11:59] adeodatus: you've had this problem before, i remember. [11:59] lol [12:00] spook: yes, you are right! [12:00] i'm always right [12:01] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-90-126.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:02] keres (n=keres@70.130.60.214) joined ##slackware. [12:04] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-90-126.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:04] macavity: ever finish that go-oo slackbuild? [12:06] keres (n=keres@70.130.60.214) left irc: Client Quit [12:07] my favorite program is fdisk [12:09] Howdy all! [12:09] h3l0 [12:09] keres (n=keres@adsl-70-130-60-214.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:09] my f1rn3d [12:10] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:11] how long will patches be released for 12.2 [12:11] keres (n=keres@adsl-70-130-60-214.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:12] Very long [12:12] I know there are patches for 8.0, so I would guess a very long time [12:12] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-90-126.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:12] cool [12:12] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:13] if you want to verify, look at the security messags that are sent - they say which versions are patched [12:13] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578BC4.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:13] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578BC4.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:13] yeah fetchmail has an 8.1 patch sweet [12:14] [Kairos] (n=Kairos@unaffiliated/kairos) joined ##slackware. [12:15] BTW all you KDE3 lovers. Perhaps you have not yet noticed http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/unsupported/kde-3.5.10-for-slack13.0/ [12:15] groovy gravy! [12:15] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [12:17] Zexan (n=me@unaffiliated/zexan) joined ##slackware. [12:17] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [12:17] sweet [12:20] FozyBeardias (n=FozyBear@76.73.16.26) joined ##slackware. [12:21] alienbob: do you just remove the new packs like qt and install those? [12:21] keres (n=keres@adsl-70-130-60-214.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:22] keres (n=keres@adsl-70-130-60-214.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:22] You're smart, you'll figure it out [12:22] MoarKoolaid (n=MoarKool@76.73.16.26) left irc: "CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)" [12:22] hey where did the rodent icon set for xfce4 go? [12:23] i bet a dollar that you need to remove the kde-4.x & qt-4.x packages before installing kde/qt 3.x [12:24] you never know...i ask because upgradepkg might even work...slackware can be psychic like that...maybe [12:24] Pig_Pen: no need to remove anything [12:24] no? ok [12:24] All that KDE3/QT3 stuff will be installed to /opt/kde3/ so that it can co-exist with KDE4/QT4 [12:25] nachox (n=nacho@190.175.254.117) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:25] niceeeeee [12:25] thats a good deal! [12:25] whats this dir ? http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/extra/kde3-compat/ duplicates? [12:26] All packages have a unique name so that installing/upgrading kdebase3 (for instance) won't clobber the kdebase of KDE4 [12:26] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [12:26] The kde3-compat is basically a subset. It is all you need if you want to be able to run KDE3 apps in KDE4 [12:27] anyone know where to get info on getting accelerated graphics on intel mobility 945GM laptop chipset? [12:27] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.43.173) joined ##slackware. [12:27] you thought of everything [12:27] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [12:27] alisonken1home: here on my Intel 956GM it jsut works... [12:27] Ah, 945GM ... [12:28] I made a typo [12:28] FozyBeardias: immaletyoufinish but Pat V. made the best Linux distro EVER in the whole wide world - Kayne West ;p [12:28] Blaguvest (n=chatzill@h68n3-bot-a12.ias.bredband.telia.com) left irc: Connection timed out [12:28] alienBOB: I just installled -current, and my older laptop with ati chipset has better acceleration than this one with the same default settings :) [12:30] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-154-166.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [12:30] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.43.173) left irc: Client Quit [12:30] bah need to reinstall nvidia...glx context failed yet im running nvidia driver...x musta blasted it [12:31] FozyBeardias (n=FozyBear@76.73.16.26) left ##slackware. [12:31] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-61-4-154.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:31] damn, obfuscated javasript sux [12:32] any time i do anything with X or the kernel i always first uninstall nvidia's driver before i start messing with either X or the kernel (just to be on the safe side) [12:32] blackorca (n=blackorc@174.152.34.93) left irc: "Leaving" [12:33] well, according to glxinfo, GL_EXT_texture3D and GL_3DFX_* appear to be enabled. guess I need to check some other settings then [12:33] it does show using the GL_MESA* settings as well [12:35] LardAndSavior (n=LardAndS@76.73.16.26) joined ##slackware. [12:37] anyone running the latest nvidia with 2.6.31 ? [12:38] im afraid to upgrade nvidia from 180.60 (olddd) [12:38] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:38] Refused telnet@c-68-33-193-204.hsd1.va.comcast.net (invalid handle: ) [12:38] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.133.213) joined ##slackware. [12:39] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-70-18-154-166.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:41] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.3) joined ##slackware. [12:42] i remember how certain websites could crash the xserver through the nvidia driver... [12:43] Fixed an X server crash when viewing the website www.tim.it. [12:43] install it and if it messes up just run it again with the --uninstall parameter and it will uninstall and restore your generic xorg nv driver [12:43] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:43] i also remember how the default sun logo looks like a swastika [12:43] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-90-126.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:44] ScreamerX (n=screamer@85.124.97.195) left irc: "Verlassend" [12:44] the microsoft logo looks more like a swastika than any other software related logo, just google for "microsoft nazi logo" and you will find a modded ms logo [12:45] Pig_Pen: 180.60 works fine...i refuse to upgrade for a long time because everytime i do it takes a few days before i realize how unstable the new one is...locks up in the middle of the night and crap...then i have to spend the time messing with kernels and nvidia and rebooting and such...180.60 wont compile on latest 2.6.31 kernel so im on 2.6.30.5 still [12:45] Pig_Pen: stop MS bashing! [12:45] allend (n=allend@CPE-58-168-196-183.lns3.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [12:45] axp (n=wbb@adsl28-38.ath.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:45] i want to give my users a web panel for ftp. is there a program that does this? [12:45] Pig_Pen: http://www.tim.it/favicon.ico [12:45] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [12:46] http://intertwingled.net/images/microsoft_nazi.jpg [12:46] axp: look on freshmeat.net [12:46] LardAndSavior: for what [12:46] LardAndSavior: why do you keep changing nicks? [12:46] I am getting irritated, you may end up with a channel ban [12:46] LardAndSavior, FozyBeardias, MoarKoolaid, HolyFractal and more in the past [12:46] because i get disconnected and cant remember my last name? [12:47] Stupid answer. Fail [12:47] a nick is like a trademark [12:47] is there a better alternative than webmin for ftp administration? [12:47] http://shaxxer.org/pub/fun/pix/Linux-bsd.jpg [12:47] i was going to say webmin, but i hear it can be non-un-insecure [12:48] Pig_Pen: http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com/cgi-bin/seigmiaow.pl [12:48] non-un-insecure [12:48] .... [12:48] Pig_Pen: lol @ logo [12:48] LardAndSavior: yes exactly [12:48] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:49] azarion (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) joined ##slackware. [12:49] slacks (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) left irc: "Leaving" [12:49] I want to know who I am dealing with [12:49] Not see a nick change every few minutes [12:50] shadowgrounds has PhysX acceleration under linux [12:50] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:50] y0 hitest ...all terminals goin' well? [12:50] keres (n=keres@adsl-70-130-60-214.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:50] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:51] yes i change my nick every connect, /ignore *!*@76.73.16.26 all thanks [12:52] x1user (i=1000@host-212-75-8-69.bbccable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:52] hmm, any suggestions what to check as dvd playback is distorted on MPlayer [12:52] do DVDs play good under different applications? different OSs? [12:53] DVD's itself should be ok [12:53] try xine? [12:53] Nick change: azarion -> anahel [12:53] I'd rather get MPlayer to work but I'll test xine too. I don't have it installed now [12:54] WMP [12:54] what does distorted mean? all green and such? [12:54] yeah, try xine, or if you dual boot try the other OS, make sure it is not the hardware or DVD to eliminate them as suspects [12:54] vlc might be worth trying instead of mplayer or xine [12:55] picture is ok for the most part, all the right color etc. but some of the picture is at wrong place, overlaps [12:55] LardAndSavior: I tried to install VLC from alien repo but it only build the vlc-mozillaplugin and not the app itself [12:55] i never play DVDs from the DVD drive, i always rip them with vobcopy and then play the file it makes [12:55] zmyrgel: that sounds impossible... [12:56] /var/log/packages/vlc-0.9.8a-i486-1alien [12:56] zmyrgel: just install the package then, not try to build it [12:56] LardAndSavior: I'm very happy with alienBOB's vlc package:) [12:56] estevao (n=estevao@189.115.200.150) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:57] LardAndSavior: are you running a somewhat older Slackware? I have a much newer version of VLC packaged nowadays [12:57] allend (n=allend@CPE-58-168-196-183.lns3.win.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [12:57] im sure, i dont use vlc much...installed it to try to listen to an interview about "The Black Stork" eugenics motion picture but it didnt work anyway [12:58] LardAndSavior: you can trust alienBOB and rworkman and Alan_Hicks [12:58] synapseXI (n=chatzill@41.122.229.195) joined ##slackware. [12:59] i trust a lot of people because if they fool me i blame myself anyway [12:59] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [12:59] alienBOB: have you heard of anything good about LXDE's DM ... lxdm? [13:00] hello room [13:00] i do not trust myself to build packages to distribute, i only trust myself to build packages for my own machines, not that i am untrustworthy, just that i dont trust my expertise in building packages [13:00] Kamus_Away[xi] (n=xxxxxx@unaffiliated/xxxxxx) joined ##slackware. [13:01] Nick change: Kamus_Away[xi] -> Kamus_H_Zwisch [13:01] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.19.209) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:01] Kairos (n=Kairos@unaffiliated/kairos) joined ##slackware. [13:01] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:02] MLanden_lap: since LXDM depends on PAM, I will not build it for Slackware [13:02] alienBOB: not even a configure switch to disable PAM support? that sucks. [13:03] only saw it mentioned in alpha so was just wondering...thanks,AlienBob [13:04] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.39.200) joined ##slackware. [13:04] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) joined ##slackware. [13:05] alienBOB: thanks for your work on the 64-bit port, it really paid off. [13:05] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-179-140.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:06] It's pretty sweet that slack finally has 64-bit version [13:06] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: "42" [13:07] I just had to say it, after reading the interview he did I learned alot more about his work on slackware [13:07] in the past there was slamd64 and slamd64 AKA BW64 [13:08] I know. I tried slamd64 but never got to like that. Possible that my GPU drivers had some problems with it [13:08] do you get paid to work on slackware [13:08] LardAndSavior: no. [13:08] Me? No [13:09] LardAndSavior: pat gets donations + cd sales [13:09] Slackware is a labor of love <3 [13:09] those were derivative projects that never had the stability of official slakware, that is what makes alienbob's work so valuable [13:09] are you independently wealthy [13:09] I work on Slackware in my free time [13:09] Wealthy? I wish [13:10] then you could feed starving children [13:10] I have one old 64bit machine (Athlon64 3200+) that I used to build Slackware64 up to the moment it went public [13:10] here we go. [13:11] lol [13:12] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@174-23-157-163.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:12] Action: spook puts some more eels in the freezer [13:12] heh [13:12] MLanden_lap: the gdm build at SBo requires only libgnomecanvas - I use it (and like it a lot) :) [13:12] i have dual opteron 244s 1800mhz...but i just run i486 [13:13] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@174.23.150.86) joined ##slackware. [13:13] cool,rworkman.....just saw a mention of lxde's dm and was wondering if alienbob heard more about it..didn't know it was PAM based [13:13] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [13:14] Padhu (n=Padhu@58.68.26.146) left irc: "good night............." [13:14] Yeah, I'd like to see it PAM-less, but oh well. [13:14] MLanden_lap: SLiM maye be a good alternative DM [13:14] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:15] I suspect it wouldn't be too difficult (for someone who knows C well enough) to make it use shadow instead [13:15] that's what I've got installed..SLiM is good..might try GDM later on [13:15] VLC 1.0.2 packages built... now to test and then upload them [13:15] synapseXI (n=chatzill@41.122.229.195) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.17/2009062414]" [13:15] hmm, vlc build failed :( [13:15] rworkman: i'll have a go i guess. [13:15] alienBOB: awesome. [13:16] zmyrgel: building VLC involves magic [13:16] but the pre-compiled package seems to work with my dvd just fine for now [13:16] seems so [13:16] would the multilib packages cause something to it? [13:16] It requires magic from elsewhere in the universe - alien magic. [13:16] spook: cool :) [13:17] rworkman: from the few screenshots I've seen of it...there is some nice artwork that does go with LXDM [13:17] spook: I just might be able to do it at this point, but I don't trust myself enough to risk it out in the real world yet [13:17] [Kairos] (n=Kairos@unaffiliated/kairos) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:17] rworkman: isn't polictykit going to require pam anyway? :) [13:17] just yesterday i think it was Quiznos who said it was trivial to build VLC on slackware [13:17] thrice`: yes. Still irrelevant though :) [13:17] might ask her or him for help =) [13:18] MLanden_lap: have you been through xfce ? [13:18] pi31415: him [13:19] i wonder why the blender people even bother mentioning that it requires glibc-2.3.6 or better :P [13:19] init[1]: huh? [13:19] I think I'll spend tonight watching dvds and tomorrow troubleshooting these mplayer / vlc problems more thoroughly [13:19] macavity: coz they aer blender people :D [13:19] s/aer/are/ [13:19] Quiznos is That Guy (tm)(r) [13:20] MLanden_lap: why a huh ? [13:20] he's just zis guy ya know? [13:20] rworkman: what is it that will need policykit soon? [13:20] jnylin (n=jnylin@c-5f72e655.177-7-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:20] the death of hal [13:20] ah right. [13:20] hey alienBob: can you make a jam package? :p [13:20] hail the death of hal [13:21] init[1]: What about xfce? yes,i've been through xfce [13:21] LardAndSavior: I have a jam package [13:21] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.179.140) joined ##slackware. [13:21] i'm not sure how xfce will deal with hal depreciation :( [13:21] MLanden_lap: you seems to like light weight DE so just asked [13:21] yay [13:21] LardAndSavior: it's on slackbuilds.org, too [13:22] thrice`: dont worry, slackware will probably have HAL for years after its deprication ;-) [13:22] init[1]: using lighter...LXDE on the laptop..but XFCE's good package as well [13:22] Action: init[1] xfce is just enough for any slacker IMO [13:22] nannes1 (n=nannes@host-78-14-195-129.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [13:22] DON"T worry?? of course i'm worried, hal is a piece of shit [13:23] thrice`: xfce 4.8 will still depend on hal [13:23] whats forcing us, the kernel? [13:23] init[1]: another good one is PEKWM ... few here would be able to give you more info... like fire|bird [13:23] rworkman: not devicekit ? [13:23] hal may very well be a piece of shit, but better to deal with the smell we're used to than a whole new (worse for now) smell [13:24] nullm0dem (n=nullm0de@65-183-140-161-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net) joined ##slackware. [13:24] how can it be worse than constantly polling hardware? :D [13:24] thrice`: the new polkit is still not finished, and the devel stuff depends on devel versions of glib and gtk. Nobody sane is going to depend on that right now [13:24] MLanden_lap: lol fire|bird ,he is a flux guy may be he might lie that too :) [13:24] s/lie/like/ [13:24] rworkman: hopefully,with xfce 4.8 ... they can iron out the menu options [13:25] rworkman: well, new gtk stuff should be out next week or so :) [13:25] GTK? [13:25] Minimum gtk for xfce-4.8 is 2.16 [13:25] er, 2.14 [13:25] latter [13:26] have any one considered http://www.uzbl.org/ [13:26] its browser thou [13:26] seem good [13:26] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [13:26] 2.16.x is stable already (and I'm using it here). [13:27] you're saying devicekit / policykit depends on gtk? [13:27] no [13:27] It depends on glib 2.21.x [13:27] the gtk complement to that is 2.17.x [13:27] oh, right. [13:28] i.e. glib-2.22.x and gtk-2.18.x for stable versions. [13:28] I think udev will soon need glib :) [13:28] yep [13:28] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [13:29] y0 fire|bird [13:29] y0 MLanden_lap, how's it going? [13:29] is there any distro that can compile vlc out of the box [13:29] without alien magic [13:30] every distro can compile it out of the box [13:30] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.88.123) joined ##slackware. [13:30] ubuntu? [13:30] not too bad thanks fire|bird [13:30] sure, install a compiler [13:30] i guess gentoo could [13:31] have you tried to compile it? follow the steps in the install file and mega fail [13:31] it just requires alot of dependencies [13:31] ERROR : misc/objects.c: 385: implicit declaration of function 'eventfd' [13:32] doing what? [13:33] kde4 - what's the program that allows sftp connections similar to kde3's konqueror? [13:33] ill give you 1 federal reserve note if you can get it to compile following the instructions [13:33] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.160.144) joined ##slackware. [13:33] hi [13:33] as in "sftp://@ [13:33] adeodatus (n=RF@92.85.210.106) joined ##slackware. [13:33] gftp mode ftps doesn't want to work properly with my house setup [13:33] LardAndSavior: not to be rude, but your inability to compile it doesn't mean much :) alot of people do it quite successfully [13:33] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: "Leaving" [13:34] thrice: thats condescending not rude [13:34] n/m - found konqueror works fine :) [13:35] not to be rude, but im more skilled than you, im just asking a question...try it if you want [13:35] >.< [13:35] fire|bird: Is midori able to find all of firefox's plugins for you? [13:36] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [13:36] what is this bickering about? [13:36] it is about vlc sucking, because the infamous LardAndSavior and his superior skills cannot compile it [13:37] alienBOB: would you please add libwebkit to your prebuild collection :) [13:37] neither can you mr superiority complex [13:37] MLanden_lap: It did here, yeah. [13:37] init[1]: it already is :> [13:37] lol.. vlc is not that hard, I've installed it a few times [13:37] fire|bird: i was able to use all but flash [13:37] no you haven't, it's impossible [13:38] thrice`: i couldn't find it here http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ [13:38] look harder! http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/webkitgtk/ [13:38] MLanden_lap: midori shows flash in the list of plugins, I hadn't tried any flash stuff yet. sec. [13:38] only 64-bit build, however [13:38] thrice`: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/webkitgtk/ ooh [13:39] wget http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/vlc/1.0.2/vlc-1.0.2.tar.bz2 [13:39] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left irc: Connection timed out [13:39] i thought i would be named lib* [13:39] MLanden_lap: Well, youtube works fine. :P [13:39] s/i/it/ [13:39] init[1]: hi lib [13:40] spook: hi lib ? [13:40] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.56.45.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [13:40] I steal alienBOB's webkit for handbrake [13:40] init[1]: you thought you be named lib [13:40] alienbob says it requires alien magic to compile...adn you say its easy... i tend to agree with bob.... [13:41] ooh :D,btw i have made the corrections [13:41] LardAndSavior: alien magic is available in slackbuilds :P [13:41] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:41] fire|bird: you have libflashplugin.so in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins? [13:42] MLanden_lap: it worked for me as well. [13:42] MLanden_lap: yeah [13:42] alienBOB: also, regarding handbrake, the build system now supports DESTDIR fully :) check out the build section in my script, if you are interrested. both gtk + CLI are installed by default now without any hacking. http://slackadelic.com/~thrice/handbrake/handbrake.SlackBuild [13:42] y0 agentc0re, how's it going? [13:42] init[1] thats cheating, i only use README and INSTALL hehe [13:42] strange....it just won't see it for me [13:43] thrice`: do you like handbrake better than dvd::rip? [13:43] MLanden_lap: ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins/libflashplugin.so also works [13:43] fire|bird: Good. leavin soon to go jump again. :D i down sized to a 170sq Main chute yesterday. lots of fun. [13:43] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.66.127) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:43] agentc0re: cool. Have a great time. :) [13:43] I like handbrake quite a bit. they are extremely up-to-date with codec changes [13:44] for, say, tweaking settings completely to give best encoding results [13:44] MLanden_lap: is it showing up under extensions? [13:44] thrice`: I am partial to dvd:::rip [13:45] firefox is able to use it...just midori won't,agentcore [13:45] MLanden_lap: but is flash showing up in midori's sidebar? [13:45] nope,fire|bird [13:46] SQlvpapir (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [13:46] has any of you guys noticed anyone having problems with blender on 13.0? [13:46] MLanden_lap: which midori version are you using? [13:46] hey if you make a rip with handbrake for iphone/ipod how do you get it into the library? i know nothing about itunes [13:46] hey macavity, how's it going? [13:46] macavity: no, i havent. [13:46] it is the first time i am using it, so i dont know exactly how it is supposed to react, but it *appears* that it doesnt register mouse clicks [13:46] macavity: my blender only goes to 11 ... ;) (wait you meant software) [13:46] agentc0re: 0.1.10 [13:47] I don't own an iphone or ipod, nor do have itunes [13:47] BP{k}: hahaha, and howdy. :) [13:47] BP{k}: is that a Spinal Tap blender? ;-) [13:47] fire|bird: howdy :) how goes?> [13:47] rworkman: how'd you guess? ;) [13:47] :D [13:47] dont feed the troll people. [13:47] put them in the blender instead :) [13:47] ... :P [13:47] Feed with the troll. [13:48] BP{k}: goes excellent, just messing with the laptop get slack back going. I tried arch on it last night, luks wouldn't work, lvm wouldn't work, wouldn't even boot for me, so back to slack I go with ext4 this time. [13:48] arch didn't like you either fire|bird....:C [13:48] ah, are spook and thrice` trolling again ? [13:49] jeev: no, you are. [13:49] MLanden_lap: lol, it works fine in a VM, but it didn't like my laptop to much. :P [13:49] ahh, how'd you notice? i CANT even tell! [13:49] i downladed the binaries from blender.org, and nothing complains [13:49] is jeev lurking again...damn anti-semite [13:49] lol [13:49] jeev: see what i mean? [13:49] who are you random people calling me that? i've never mentioned it in here! [13:49] don't feel bad,fire|bird............it down right HATED mine with a passion....:D [13:50] NetNightmare (n=netnight@dynamic-adsl-94-37-229-79.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: "Leaving" [13:50] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.160.144) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:50] oh crap.. and the sbopkg also just repackage the official binary [13:50] MLanden_lap: hahaha, it seems like a nice distro, in the vm, but no go on the lappy, so I'm very happily back to slackware. I chose ext4 this time because on the laptop, I have no important data, etc. so I can mess around more. [13:50] jeev: rothschild agents [13:50] ahh, they're all over the place [13:51] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-60-119-54.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:51] \O/ fire|bird.... \m/ :D \m/ [13:51] hence why they're always top5 in spying on america by it's own allies, would be #1 if they had more american tax payer money to spend [13:52] time for on-topic reverse attack! [13:52] I'd like to solicit some suggestions [13:52] Motoko-chan: get a haircut [13:52] ... [13:53] Motoko-chan: eat yogurt more [13:53] Forget it. [13:53] nope.. there is something totally rotten going on with blender on 13.0 [13:53] forget what? [13:54] rworkman: hey! you are the maintainer :P [13:54] macavity: You're using the one from SBo and it's not installing? [13:54] fire|bird: it installs fine [13:54] fire|bird: but it doesnt react properly to mouse clicks [13:54] fire|bird: I probably gonna use my laptop to test some other distros [13:54] macavity: Ok, I'll install it here and see how it acts. [13:54] fire|bird: i am going off the official tutorial, and nothing happens when i click the things they tell me to click [13:55] what kind of click? middle click? [13:55] BP{k}: cool, that's what I was thinking with mine, but arch is the only one I thought I'd try and that failed miserably, so now using slack and not looking back. :P [13:55] brb [13:55] fire|bird: in the top 3D view there is a "bottom tab".. in the left corner of that there is a button that looks like a # (or a rug if you like), click it and tell me if a menu pops up [13:56] macavity: oh, blender has really funky controls. [13:56] spook: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro/Blender_Windowing_System [13:56] macavity: i probably should have mentioned that. [13:56] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:57] :[#] [13:57] section "Changing Window Types" [13:57] rug muncher [13:57] sorry, "Changing the Window Type" [13:57] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.167.198) joined ##slackware. [13:58] spook: but in blender lingo, "to click" still means to click, right? [13:58] BP{k}: which distros? [13:58] macavity: yes. [13:58] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:58] ok, then it is broken [13:59] or at least there is something wonky going on.. doesnt it like composite? doesnt it like evdev? [13:59] doesnt it like that psmouse is loaded with proto=imps2? [13:59] those are the only things i can come up with as being candidates for brokenness [13:59] LardAndSavior: what brought on that comment? That shit doesn't belong here. [14:00] LardAndSavior: compiling vlc is not that hard. Compiling it so that everything works - now that is a lot harder. And compiling it with all supporting stuff contained statically instead of relying on external libraries - that is the hardest [14:00] alienBOB: i believe it [14:01] rworkman: fire|bird: in the top 3D view there is a "bottom tab".. in the left corner of that there is a button that looks like a # (or a rug if you like) apparently # is now a rug [14:01] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [14:01] LardAndSavior: ah, okay. Context is everything - sorry. :) [14:01] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:02] rworkman: did you actually do stuff in blender? [14:02] rworkman: i still dont think its really okay [14:02] macavity: no [14:02] spook: well, it's debatable, but that gets the benefit of the doubt from me. [14:02] ok.. then i hope fire|bird can shed light on the case [14:02] LardAndSavior has been quiet mouthy that should be kept at bay [14:02] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:02] macavity: I only did a blender build because quite a few people requested it [14:03] appology accepted, i was about to go on abot helping people for hours and then others sitting thre queitly waiting for you to scerw up and jumping down your throat [14:03] ok.. i am one of them now :P [14:03] rworkman: and I am thankful for your build [14:03] learning blender is the new family project [14:03] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:03] mfillpot: ah, so it works for you on 13.0? [14:04] macavity: I awas running it on 12.2 and current, I haven't installed it here yet, let me give it a run [14:04] how current is your current? [14:05] lol [14:05] alienBOB: you are compiling vlc 1.0.2 right? it will work on 12.2 since its static right [14:05] macavity: it is current as of last night, but I installed prior to the release of 13.0 and removed it to keep the system clean. [14:05] mfillpot: in that case it is 13.0 [14:05] LardAndSavior: probably not - I think the qt stuff is dynamicaly linked now [14:06] macavity: it is for now, hopefully soon it will be current again [14:06] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [14:06] fire|bird: any funny stuff at your end? [14:06] why doesnt the qt4 package in slackware come with the qt3support module? it comes with the qt4 sources [14:06] fatalnix: kde3-compat (with qt3compat) is in extra/ [14:07] thanks! I'm trying to port qcad heh [14:07] oh well ill just upgrade to the 1.0.1 i rarely use vlc anyway [14:08] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [14:08] fatalnix: you mean qt3compat or libQt3Support? [14:08] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.160.144) joined ##slackware. [14:08] support, becaus eit comes with qptrlist [14:08] which qcad needs [14:09] I'm building blender for slackawre64-13.0 from the slackbuild now [14:09] than you should be fine with the qt4 package [14:09] mfillpot: i see that blender comes with it's own libGL.. know anything about that? [14:09] LardAndSavior: the packages for Slackware 13.0 link dynamically against qt4 as rworkman said. That means, you have to install a qt4 package [14:09] mfillpot: thanks [14:09] is this bad.... latest findutils installed this morning [14:09] macavity: blender runs fine, and alot faster than it did in 12.2 [14:09] fatalnix: qt3-compat is qt 3.3.8 [14:10] mfillpot: and when you click the rug, does the menu pop up? [14:10] Pre-installing package vlc-1.0.1-i486-2alien... find: warning: you have specified the -maxdepth option after a non-option argument -type, but options are not positional (-maxdepth affects tests specified before it as well as those specified after it). Please specify options before other arguments. [14:10] fatalnix: and that lib should be in 13.0's qt package [14:10] sorry im lagging hardore [14:10] macavity: Just building it now, was afk for a bit. sorry. :P [14:10] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.160.144) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:11] macavity: all menu's are fully responsive [14:11] >_< [14:11] shit.. that means that i am on my own :- [14:11] \0 [14:11] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [14:11] eeek [14:11] \/ [14:11] unfortunately qcad complains about the headers missing, so it seems like it isnt [14:11] I do have my QTDIR set [14:11] macavity: are you using the slackbuild? [14:11] mfillpot: yes [14:11] macavity: stop using space as an enter key. :P [14:11] mfillpot: for 13.0 [14:12] argh, got that wrong way around [14:12] macavity: 32-bit of 64-bit? [14:12] 32 [14:12] i should get 64.. my machine can handle it [14:12] fatalnix: well, it is. can you pastebin the errors you get? [14:12] yeah sec [14:13] macavity: the 64-bit is working for me, I haven't tried the 32-bit that one may have a problem [14:13] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176016729.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [14:13] mfillpot: graphics chip/driver? [14:14] macavity: GeForce 8500 GT [14:14] that means proprietary driver [14:14] macavity: Ok, it's built. Checking it out now. [14:15] fire|bird: please tell me that you have an Intel GFX :P [14:15] afk, my son is hounding me to test blender [14:15] opt/blender/lib/libGL.so.1.5.070401 [14:15] macavity: No, I don't. nvidia and ati. The two machines that have intel are windows boxes. The one is stuck in an endless reboot and the other a shot mobo [14:15] mfillpot: lol [14:15] :P [14:16] fire|bird: proprietary ati driver? [14:16] my son loves blender, and I got him started learning C, I am proud of my 8 year old [14:16] mfillpot: nice [14:16] fire|bird: i suspect this is a Mesa thing [14:16] macavity, I missed part the above conversation, but do you need something checked with an intel GPU? [14:17] how shot,fire|bird? [14:17] http://pastebin.com/d564a533f [14:17] adamk: try the SBo of blender and see if it ignores mouse clicks please :-) [14:17] MLanden_lap: won't start at all. :/ [14:17] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [14:17] line 526 is of my concern at the moment [14:17] think it was 536 [14:17] that's pretty shot,fire|bird [14:17] Nick change: yosi_ -> nyRednek [14:17] macavity, I already have it installed, let me check. [14:18] macavity, Nope, I brought up blender, moved the initial cube and camera with the mouse without any problems. [14:18] adamk: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro/Blender_Windowing_System <<- section "Changing the window type" [14:18] MLanden_lap: for sure. It's an emachines, it started with a PSU, but with emachines, the PSU is known to take the mobo with it, which in my case it did. :) [14:18] adamk: i can move the cube too [14:18] fatalnix: well, this looks more like qcad being a qt3 app that needs qt3-compat, not a qt4 app that needs libQt3Support [14:19] macavity: Ok, when I click the rug, :P, I get the menu. [14:19] macavity, Alright, so specifically what doesn't work fo rou? [14:19] fire|bird: Ati on that box? [14:19] nannes1 (n=nannes@host-78-14-195-129.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) left ##slackware. [14:19] I can try it, as long as it doesnt overwrite anything on my qt4 dist [14:19] jnylin (n=jnylin@c-5f72e655.177-7-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:19] assembly is more fun for 8 year olds [14:19] macavity: This is my nvidia box, the laptop is ati, I can build on there and check too if you like. [14:19] I can click on the buttons, as well. [14:20] adamk: when i click the # (looks like a rug) on the bottom tab of the 3D view, there sould pop up a menu.. it doesnt [14:21] i can drag stuff in the main window, but no matter what menu or button i click it just ignores me [14:21] .. or does something completely unrelated [14:21] adeodatus (n=RF@92.85.210.106) left irc: Client Quit [14:21] Ahhh, the very first button [14:21] angevin (n=kfb@user-160ursi.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [14:21] yes [14:22] silent (n=silent@user-24-214-169-9.knology.net) joined ##slackware. [14:22] linux is for bitches and dumb ones at that : BSD is the way -- FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and NetBSD so pick one [14:22] when you clicke it, does the View Type menu pop up? [14:22] fire|bird you are funny lol [14:22] sorry, Window Type [14:22] angevin (n=kfb@user-160ursi.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Client Quit [14:22] macavity, Hmmm... It's odd. If I click on it in just the right location, it looks like it depresses for a split second, but nothing happens. [14:22] macavity, But most clicks are ignored. [14:22] fatalnix: installing qt3-compat works well with the default qt package [14:23] adamk: ok.. so you see this too on Intel? [14:23] adamk: i SUSPECT it is a Mesa bug [14:23] alright [14:23] macavity, On my ATI desktop, it brings up a menu, but the menu is completely black. I recall a bug report on dri-devel or mesa3d about that one. [14:23] ill have to set my QTDIR to /usr/lib/qt-rxxxxx right? [14:23] if thats where qt's libs are [14:23] I'm having some trouble replacing lilo with grub. Where do I find ext4 for grub? [14:23] qcad uses QTDIR to find the libs [14:24] adamk: me too [14:24] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.56.45.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:24] adamk: that is why i suspect a Mesa bug [14:24] oh, wait [14:24] that doesnt work well.. [14:24] Action: macavity goes to try something [14:24] macavity, Yeah, I'd assume this is a Mesa bug given the difference in behaviour between the ATI and Intel drivers. [14:25] macavity: are you on mesa 7.5.1 ? [14:25] thrice`: not yet [14:25] it's in patches/ ; upgrade [14:25] hang on.. i am going to try fiddling with LD_LIBRARY_PATH= [14:25] lol [14:26] try "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/blender/lib/ blender" [14:26] that has a funny result... [14:26] thrice`: nice [14:26] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [14:27] ah [14:27] /opt/kde/lib/qt3 [14:27] LardAndSavior (n=LardAndS@76.73.16.26) left irc: "CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)" [14:28] thrice`: uhm i got Mesa-7.5-i486-2 and not 7.5.1 [14:28] macavity, If I LD_PRELOAD the libGL from blender, it does work fine. [14:28] still doesnt listen... [14:28] macavity: alright, building it on the laptop to try now too. :D [14:28] Action: macavity looks up LD_PRELOAD [14:29] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [14:29] Action: adamk is updating Mesa from git on his desktop. [14:30] when did Mesa-7.5.1 hit 13.0/patches/? [14:30] what're the notable changes that make you run to git? [14:30] holy crap, the screen went black. [14:31] haha [14:31] macavity, It did? I thought it was still at 7.5 in patches? [14:31] yes [14:31] Mesa can be troublsome, it has already disabled one of my slackbuilds, I have been playing with it to see if I can find a workaround [14:31] macavity: Ok, blender FAILS miserably on 64bit ATI laptop. [14:31] lol [14:31] macavity: It is just an entirely black window, I can minimize, etc. but that's it [14:32] macavity: as soon as I installed hte latest mesa update the game urbanterror started chucking error messages [14:32] fire|bird, Open source drivers or closed source drivers? [14:32] adamk: open, radeon driver [14:32] I'm getting "ERROR: Can't find 'ext4_stage1_5' from the grub package" when I run grubconfig. How do I fix it? [14:32] does grub speak ext4? [14:32] fire|bird, Odd... It displays fine here, but menus are black. [14:33] adamk: lol, in my case, the entire blender window is black. [14:33] mancha, the slackBuild includes a ext4 patch, but I don't get a stage1_5 file for ext4. [14:34] macavity, Mesa from git does resolve the black menus on ATI here. I'll try Intel next. [14:34] thrice`: sorry, but for 32 it is not in patches/ on ftp.slackware.com [14:35] adamk: whoa, wait, this is a fresh install from last night, it's using vesa. :/ [14:35] fire|bird, That would be a problem :-) [14:35] fire|bird: selfpwned :P [14:35] macavity: oh, maybe -current only? hm [14:35] macavity: no kidding. :P I shall switch and try again. :P [14:35] thrice`: okies [14:36] oh, mesa is in patches/ as 7.5, and current fixed it AND bumped to 7.5.1 [14:36] jnylin (n=jnylin@c-5f72e655.177-7-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:36] okies [14:36] wtf, why's the rush to u/g mesa? [14:36] mancha: blender issues. [14:37] silent, can you try the following please? [14:37] anyone that have installed Adobe AIR on slack? [14:37] mancha, sure. What is it? [14:38] cp /boot/grub/e2fs_stage1_5 /boot/grub/ext4_stage1_5 [14:38] SCHWEET! [14:38] it works now [14:38] macavity: what fixed it? [14:38] Action: macavity kisses thrice` for being on top of Mesa (as usual) [14:38] macavity, 7.5.1 fixed it? [14:38] yes, 7.5.1 [14:39] Cool. [14:39] go -current guys :-) [14:39] Thanks for the tip, guys. [14:39] ok, thanks for the help [14:39] cya.. time to watch Face/Off with the family [14:39] see ya macavity [14:39] (before i pwn them in fast-learning-blender-for-absolute-dummies) [14:39] fire, thanks. so you're all 3d animators? thats what blender does right? [14:39] Action: macavity over and out [14:40] mancha: 3d rendering [14:40] is it easy to learn? [14:40] mancha: I'm not, but blender is a really nice app. There's been some cool short movies made with blender that are out on the net. [14:40] mancha: you can do amination or still picts [14:41] mancha: It has a TON of stuff it can do, it has quite a learning curve. [14:41] ah cool. whats that lucas-film opensource thing they've also used for animations? [14:41] mancha, thanks. It works. [14:41] silent, no problem, glad it worked and i was wondering why the silence then i noticed your nick [14:42] mancha, sorry, I was busy reading up on grub. Then found your solution. Here and online [14:42] mancha, good joke though. [14:42] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:42] it was a lame joke but thanks for the support :> [14:43] lol [14:43] adamk: alright, I'm on radeon now and still the same thing. [14:44] mancha, quick question. Do I need to do anything with initrd for grub? [14:44] i woulnd't use an initrd unless i had no choice [14:44] mancha, well would I need one to run the generic kernel? [14:45] no [14:45] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [14:46] mancha, ok. Thanks again. I'm trying to breaking out of Ubuntu, so here I am. [14:46] i think you made a very wise choice (but i'm biased) [14:47] mancha, well I'm now biased too. [14:47] silent: As long as that bias is in slackware's favor, it's alright. :P [14:47] silent, also you can look into lilo (slack's default boot manager). grub's fine (and has a few feutres lilo lacks) but ppl here are manily lilo users so you have more chances of getting help [14:47] i agree with mancha, pick a kernel that does _not_ require an initrd [14:47] I need an initrd because I use lvm + luks [14:48] fire, more importantly you need it because your kernel is enctypted. i have a few boxes with luks that don't need initrd [14:48] mancha, well I would use lilo, but I couldn't get it to boot XP and I've had a little more experience with GRUB (Ubuntu). And yes the bias is towards slackware [14:48] mancha: yeah [14:49] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-183-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:49] silent: I have my laptop dual booting with xp and it works great. [14:49] fwiw [14:49] i was under the impression that there were a few things that required you to have an initrd... luks, lvm.. So i guess what i thought is not true after all then? [14:49] silent, for XP you should only need an "other" block. like other=/dev/partition_with_xp; table /dev/drive_with_xp [14:49] fire|bird, using lilo? how? I'd like to know. [14:49] oh, give it a label too, so three lines shoudl do it silent [14:50] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [14:50] silent: Well, I followed the README_CRYPT.txt file for setting up my luks + lvm stuff and it somewhat explains it there. You had windows added to lilo.conf? [14:50] mancha, I have "other= /dev/hdb1 \ label = Windows \ table = /dev/hdb" but I just get a loading Windows screen from lilo [14:51] agentc0re: Yes, there are some things that DO require an initrd, such as luks + lvm, and like mancha mentioned, it's due to the kernel being encrypted. [14:51] silent: Do you still have that lilo.conf around, could you pastebin it? [14:51] silent, that looks good to me.... [14:51] fire|bird, I have it, but what is pastebin-ing? [14:52] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-183-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [14:52] silent: pastebin.slackadelic.com. It's to put stuff for people to see without flooding the channel. [14:52] mancha, I thought so too, but it doesn't work. Would /dev/hdb need to be in fstab by chance? [14:53] pastebin.com (i don't visit slackadelic) :) [14:53] silent: I was just curious what yours looks like, I can compare it to mine and maybe see what's different. [14:53] mancha: lol, how come? [14:53] ip issues [14:53] fire|bird, ok. [14:53] mancha: Ah, ok. [14:54] silent, no, you should not need any fstab stuff for the windows book portion [14:54] axp (n=wbb@adsl28-38.ath.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:54] has XP always resided on the 1 part of the second drive? [14:54] fstab would just be if you wanted to access the windows partition from linux [14:54] fire|bird, just pastebined it. Now do you need the url? http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/eYbnos55.html [14:54] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:55] axp (n=wbb@adsl113-177.ath.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:55] silent: yup, I did. thanks. I'll take a look. [14:55] mancha, yes it's always been part 1 of drive 2. [14:55] ip issues?!? wtf.. [14:56] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.167.198) left irc: Connection timed out [14:56] silent, and you ran /sbin/lilo after making that config and it showed the window item in the output? [14:56] sladegen (n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen) joined ##slackware. [14:56] mancha, yes. [14:57] silent: Hmm, not sure, you have exactly what I have. Mine works great though. :P [14:57] mancha, I double check though. [14:58] silent, oh i think i know what's up....iirc you might need your "other" block before the linux kernel blocks [14:59] try putting the other= block first then the image= block so windows comes right after #end global blah... [14:59] mancha, fire|bird , I just pastebined lilo -v http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/WVm9Gx78.html [14:59] silent, did you grok me, soldier? [14:59] kiyoura (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:00] my other block doesn't come before my linux entries [15:00] ah nm i see [15:02] what was the lilo option for restore from disk after suspen? [15:02] greetings [15:02] you need resume=/dev/whatev [15:02] global or per-image section? [15:02] cadmium (n=mike@217.194.139.22) joined ##slackware. [15:02] kernel needs to know what it is resuming from [15:03] whichever, as long as the right kernel gets the right resume [15:03] mancha, I'll give it a shot. Be back in a minute. [15:03] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:03] hi I installed a new cdrom, how can I recreate the /dev/cdrom and /dev/dvd to play cd's from mplayer? [15:03] silent (n=silent@user-24-214-169-9.knology.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:04] ah - append option [15:05] oh yeh, in the append, sorry misunderstood your Q [15:05] append="all_your_other_stuff resume=fdjfjksdl" [15:06] trying it now [15:06] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.56.45.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:07] silent (n=silent@user-24-214-169-9.knology.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] silent is taking too long....which probably means XP did boot (hah) [15:07] mancha, sadly not. [15:07] woops, and right on cue... [15:07] mancha: haha, perfect timing. :P [15:07] lee__ (n=_lee__@ip70-191-236-69.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] very perfect timing. [15:07] silent, put your lilo.conf on pastebin.com [15:07] do anybody know how to make /dev/dvd after making new cdrom drive? [15:07] is .bash_profile the form that slackware uses? [15:07] you did run sbin/lilo after changing it right? [15:08] manc [15:08] mancha, ok [15:08] lee, /dev/dvd is a symlink to a your raw device which if it is /dev/hdb do ln -s /dev/hdb /dev/dvd [15:08] rm /dev/cdrom [15:09] mancha, here. It's the same one I showed fire|bird but windows is now before linux. http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/eYbnos55.html [15:09] mancha: not my question ;) [15:09] dunno,fire|bird all paths are right.....must be a glitch with webkit and flash [15:09] mancha: thanks - works now [15:09] including wireless restroe [15:09] restore [15:09] mancha, and yes I did run /sbin/lilo [15:09] lee, then your question makes no sense, how to make /dev/dvd ? [15:09] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.56.45.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:10] MLanden_lap: That's really odd. [15:10] sorry, mancha, must have been another lee .. my question was .bash_profile or .bashrc [15:10] mancha: http://pastebin.com/m3a5fb41e ;) [15:10] lee, my bad, it was cadmium [15:10] neonflux (n=mrjones@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:10] silent mancha: since XP is on hdb, do you need to use the map-drive = 0x81 [15:10] MLanden_lap: but the other plugins you have show up? [15:11] fire|bird: yup [15:11] to = 0x80 [15:11] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.88.123) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:11] ml4711, I don't know. [15:11] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [15:11] The-Crou1ier (n=ksandros@adsl150-246.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:12] your question makes no sense weeeeeee [15:12] can someone tell me if I need map-drive? [15:12] hi, if my video device is at /dev/video0, which apps included on the slack dvd will let me capture still images from it? [15:12] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:14] DarkGable (n=ray@76.114.161.73) joined ##slackware. [15:14] blkdg what kinda device do u have there? [15:14] silent: I think by using it XP would se the drive as the first one (C:) [15:14] blkdg, mplayer should. [15:15] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [15:15] MLanden_lap: What if you tried putting libflashplayer.so in ~/.mozilla/plugins Does midori see it then? [15:15] blkdg, Something like 'mplayer tv:// -tv whatevermplayeroptionsyouneedforvideoinput -vo jpeg' [15:15] cadmium, crystal eye that slack 12.2 and 13 found perfectly! [15:15] fire|bird: tried...symlink then actual file..nope [15:16] MLanden_lap: dang. that sucks :P [15:16] ml4711, so uncomment line 62 and 63? on http://pastebin.com/m3a5fb41e [15:16] thanks adamk for the mplayer solution, but it seems like a lot of overhead. [15:16] i know that skype, not the linux one can do it. [15:16] i was wondering if gimp could as well? [15:17] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:17] The-Crou1ier (n=ksandros@adsl150-246.kln.forthnet.gr) left ##slackware. [15:17] DarkGable (n=ray@76.114.161.73) left irc: Client Quit [15:17] DarkGable (n=ray@76.114.161.73) joined ##slackware. [15:18] I'm fairly certain gimp doesn't do v4l.. [15:18] It used to hook into sane, and sane could pull images via v4l at one point, but I'm not sure how doable that is these days. [15:18] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:19] blkdg i'm looking at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Webcam-HOWTO/#FRAMEGRABBERS [15:19] silent: no, I think 64 and 65, since you want to map hdb as the C. drive in windows [15:19] ml4711, ok I'll try it. [15:20] $ streamer -c /dev/video0 -b 16 -o outfile.jpeg [15:20] silent: se man for lilo.conf, thew option "boot-as=" can also be used [15:20] does anyone have KVM running on slackware64-13.0? [15:20] s/thew/the/g [15:21] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:21] cadmium, streamer isn't on the Slack DVD, is it? [15:21] hey there mfillpot [15:21] dont' know adamk [15:21] silent (n=silent@user-24-214-169-9.knology.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:22] yo cadmium [15:22] why? everytime i run xfce it sucks in about 400mb of ram [15:22] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [15:23] and firefox sucks up 100mb [15:23] witukind__ (n=witukind@213.49.243.57) joined ##slackware. [15:24] i just installed 32GB of ram for my MySql server :) 8 cores 64 bit :) [15:24] running slackware? :P [15:25] masterx831: firefox and hal both us eup memory, have you checked top or ps aux? [15:25] no no streamer [15:25] silent (n=silent@user-24-214-169-9.knology.net) joined ##slackware. [15:25] 13 baby :) @ spook [15:25] cadmium: cool:) [15:25] cadmium: awesome [15:25] Tirili (n=opera@dslc-082-083-158-026.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [15:25] mfillpot: yeah and is there a way for them to use up little memory [15:25] mfillpot: yes i do [15:26] bbiab [15:26] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-70-18-154-166.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving." [15:26] masterx831: with firefox, the longer it run the memory it eats [15:26] mfillpot: kvm works really well for me on slackware64. [15:27] i figure that [15:27] I was hoping to come up with a way to refresh the rate [15:27] I have school and I cant be closing my browser [15:28] silent (n=silent@user-24-214-169-9.knology.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:28] I tried lynx but I need graphics, how is seamonkey? [15:28] maddslacker (n=corey@c-71-196-190-154.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:28] does anyone in here have a recommendation for masterx831 for a low memory browser? [15:29] graphics is so 2008....ascii surfing is the new black [15:29] paissad-hp (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:30] dillo... [15:30] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:30] lynx [15:30] mfillpot, define low memory [15:30] 512mb [15:31] firefox [15:31] lol. that runs firefox fine [15:31] 3.5 [15:31] add some swap. [15:31] spook: plus xfce [15:31] ok [15:31] I run kde4 and firefox, with citrix plugin on a pc at the office [15:31] masterx831: yeah no problem. just make sure you've got a gig of swap [15:31] no issues [15:31] maddslacker: low meory is not as dirty as firefox [15:31] and love disk thrashing [15:31] ok, opera then [15:31] masterx831: 512mb is not low memory [15:32] 64mb is low memory... [15:32] spook: try running your computer with 512mb [15:32] twolf (n=none@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "-" [15:32] no, 16mb is low memory [15:32] masterx831, ^^ have and do [15:32] it's going to be hanging a couple minutes later on [15:32] lol [15:32] 16mb is no memory... [15:32] makerc (n=makerc@189.18.57.188) joined ##slackware. [15:32] 512, kde4, FF and I run my work apps thru citrix...it works fine [15:32] there isnt no more memory with 16mb [15:32] memory is not your issue [15:33] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:33] i tried running internet explorer or firefox for wine but that even sucks more memory [15:33] thanks again [15:33] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:33] so if yo uthink yo uhave a mempory shortage, why use even more by doing it thru wine? [15:34] running IE inside wine in slackware just seems plain wrong, if not morally defunct [15:34] yes, you should run IE through citrix in slackware...heh [15:34] very wrong [15:34] how can i cancel hal and put it back on if i want [15:34] I am waiting for the chrome slackbuild to be approved, hopefully that will do better [15:34] masterx831: turn the service off [15:35] mfillpot, chrome is *ok* [15:35] perhaps chmod -x /etc/rc.d/rc.hal [15:35] isn't chrome still in their no-privacy betas? [15:36] he probably means chromium... [15:36] yep, i did [15:36] witukind_ (n=witukind@ip-213-49-226-115.dsl.scarlet.be) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:37] so running webkit (apple) in slckware is somehow more righteous than running IE? [15:38] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432935.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:38] estevao (n=estevao@189.115.216.142) joined ##slackware. [15:39] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@cpe-76-176-137-140.san.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:41] sigh [15:41] Webkit is open source, cross-platform [15:43] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [15:44] I know, that was flamebait, heh [15:44] I used chrome on windows at work for a while...meh [15:45] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [15:46] ok - where was the synaptics fdi file for hal located at? [15:46] alison there are skeletons in hrmm, i forgot [15:47] /usr/share/hal or thereabouts? [15:47] aha - /usr/share/hal/fdi/10ovendor [15:48] hey, what's the command to see if I have synaptics of alps touchpad? [15:49] sladegen (n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen) left ##slackware. [15:50] vdvluc (n=luc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:50] _bruno (n=bruno@201-95-82-7.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:50] maddslacker t9ouch the lappy? [15:50] touch me on the touchpadd... [15:50] ??? [15:50] there are also skeletons in /dev/closet [15:50] "touch me in the morning" [15:50] _bruno (n=bruno@201-95-82-7.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [15:50] heh [15:51] twolf (n=none@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [15:51] 70s song [15:51] mancha: :) [15:51] Quiznos: and ( remember when it came out [15:51] Action: NyteOwl hums One Toke Over The Line [15:51] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) joined ##slackware. [15:51] oh oh, i started someth [15:52] I think my laptop's lcd is dead [15:52] that's bad(TM) [15:52] Requiscat in pace [15:52] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [15:52] samuelig (i=553984d7@gateway/web/freenode/x-hoqbgyuwgnpdxtmb) joined ##slackware. [15:52] that or the video card, but using the VGA output to a monitor seems to work, which leads me to belive it's the lcd. [15:52] chk the bios if possib [15:52] adamk: mind a pm? [15:53] I am using the laptop right now, with VGA output. [15:53] k [15:53] what should I check in the bios? [15:53] maddslacker (n=corey@c-71-196-190-154.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:53] rworkman, Not at all. [15:53] if lcd works before os is loaded [15:53] bios splash screen [15:53] x1user (i=1000@host-212-75-8-69.bbccable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:53] oh no, it displays boxes with colors right when you turn on the laptop [15:53] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:54] which is why it's either the video card or lcd [15:54] dhw: lol, look at all the pretty colors. :P [15:54] you mean the test pattern? [15:54] bash$>pwd /dev/closet [15:54] I don't think it's the test pattern [15:54] k [15:54] strangeness [15:54] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:54] CmdLnKid (n=xclkx@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [15:54] there are more like boxes then just lines [15:54] spook you're in the closet? [15:54] but there are some lines, it's rather odd [15:55] phat pixels? [15:55] -_- [15:55] dont look at me [15:55] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.88.123) joined ##slackware. [15:55] mancha: trying to make a joke. [15:55] I have had 3 computers die in the last 2 months [15:55] ew [15:55] murderer :) [15:55] aye [15:55] dhw, thats an epidemic [15:55] I have no idea what is wrong [15:55] swine flu? [15:55] dirty power electrons? [15:55] first my mythtv box fired [15:55] dirty power wave? [15:55] then my main box [15:56] has to be [15:56] get surge strip [15:56] but I have them running into surge protectors [15:56] and a backup power supply, I am not stupid about these things [15:56] not if the strips you have are already dead [15:56] What the heck, on the laptop when I start blender, the screen goes black, I click anywhere, the screen comes back and blender is there in a non-maximized window. :P [15:56] MOV's used in stripes are one-shots only [15:56] surge protectors do not filter out voltage short voltage spikes or dirty power [15:57] but if an MOV is used, then it does filter [15:57] you need a ups [15:57] I have 3 UPS [15:57] one for each system [15:57] chk their caps then [15:57] proper ups, that filter power [15:57] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:57] or return them [15:57] correct [15:58] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:58] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.85.110) joined ##slackware. [15:58] you won't find many proper power filter ups systems... [15:59] he just needs one [15:59] one model [15:59] both boxes that died were asus, I figured it was just bad luck with that brand. [15:59] they have a high rate of failure [16:00] maybee your outlets are not grounded properly [16:00] yeah asus are shit with their consumer grade stuff [16:00] how's your locale's history on black/brown outs and thunder storms? [16:00] seeing how other things are connected to the UPS also and are fine [16:00] maybee you have long shag carpet and static charges are building up [16:00] They're not rarae (APC, Tripp-Lite, Best) but they aren't cheap either [16:01] I am running power from different areas of the house into this room, to make sure they are not on the same switch [16:01] k [16:01] I spent around 200 dollars on each UPS [16:01] your wife lets' you do that? [16:01] not rare but most UPS do not actually clean power when they are in bypass mode [16:02] no, true enough. My APC does but it was about $500 :) [16:02] well that defeats the purp of having a ups [16:02] uninterputed power and power filtration are dif [16:02] yes I know [16:02] A true UPS conditions power. [16:02] A BPS doesn't. [16:02] I think the first box that died was due to the mother board touching the case some how [16:02] but wouldnt filtering be followed by ups when needed? [16:02] Many of the cheap things sold as "UPS" are actually "BPS" [16:03] NyteOwel was @ Quiznos.. [16:03] it already knows that there is no power [16:03] k :) [16:03] and only work as a back up for power outages [16:03] :) [16:03] Action: NyteOwl half asleep [16:03] I wanted clean power [16:03] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "leaving" [16:03] and a battery :D [16:03] I believe the APC SmartUPS line are all active. [16:03] well, i've only killed one mobo semi-deliberately [16:03] The BackUPS are *not* [16:04] linXea (n=e@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. 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[16:04] I have one or my network, one for myth box, one for main computer [16:04] ill run a test on the one for my main computer, it has a lcd display on it [16:04] maybee someone in your building is using an emp generator [16:04] linXea (n=e@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:05] lol [16:05] I fixed the myth tv box, that's the one I really cared about [16:05] and as long as my 30" monitor still works I am happy [16:06] my drives still work, so no data loss not that big of a deal, just some fried mobos [16:06] maybe cpu, dunno [16:06] but this laptop issue is pissing me off [16:07] I need a way now to use multi terminals with out X11 [16:07] and I rather not use screen [16:07] me too [16:07] unless I can bind them to a key to switch them [16:07] i wish i could do multiple monitors with console i dont' think you can though [16:07] this is annoying [16:07] I [16:07] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:08] I have seen it before [16:08] 4 consoles on the same screen, did not look like it was running x11 [16:08] I've got a perfectly fine dual-core Intel Centrino laptop, but desktop effects (like cube) take forever to start and they're not smooth [16:08] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:08] how come the wireless interface doesn't support scanning... hmmm... [16:08] default slack13 install (just this mornint) [16:08] virtual temrinal [16:09] Camarade_Tux: driver is messed up, or driver doesnt support it :) [16:09] dhw: - virtual terminals? [16:09] livebrain (n=200mg@87-196-158-45.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:09] anyone here tried to install inkscape ? [16:09] from the sources ? [16:09] i'm trying to compile all the deps [16:09] livebrain: yeah works fine. [16:09] that's it [16:09] but gtkmm fails [16:09] one sec [16:09] during "make" [16:09] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) left irc: "leaving" [16:10] livebrain: i believe that gtkmm needs a few things [16:10] alisonken1home: maybe you don't have 3d acceleration ? [16:10] can you say wich things ? [16:10] cofnigure doesnt complain [16:10] samuelig (i=553984d7@gateway/web/freenode/x-hoqbgyuwgnpdxtmb) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [16:11] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) joined ##slackware. [16:11] ken throw ram at it [16:11] alt does it [16:11] thank you :) [16:11] spook: the driver worked on yesterday! [16:11] Quiznos: it's got a gig in int [16:11] it [16:11] spook: I spent the night setting it up! :P [16:11] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.35.29) joined ##slackware. [16:11] not enuf obv.ly [16:11] lol [16:12] hmmm, it sees a bcm4315 [16:12] smooth eye candy works fine on my 512M ram older laptop with an ati card and default driver [16:12] hi [16:12] 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01) [16:12] how could i set an alarm that goes on after booting, but w/o any user being logged in? [16:12] ill have to call IBM and see if I can renew my service plan [16:12] or at least see how much it will cost me to fix it [16:12] if it's the lcd, I could just ebay one and replace it myself [16:12] but if it's the video card ugh [16:13] I'm clueless [16:13] that will need a whole new mother board [16:13] intel mobility g945gm I believe [16:13] 945gm [16:13] Keiffer, put it in rc.local [16:13] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [16:13] although eye candy is a _little_ smoother when I turn off the intel wireless [16:14] time to look at the intel company driver, maybe? [16:14] mancha, this line cvlc --repeat /home-localuser/Music/24-ring-tone-2.mp3 [16:14] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-70-18-154-166.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:14] but how do i make it run at 05:00 every morning? [16:14] crontab [16:15] Keiffer: man at (and write a mini-shell script to call cli mp3 player to play a tune) [16:15] "man at" [16:15] now thats what I like to see.. people using crontab to schedule their own human functions such as waking up or doing laundry [16:15] if you want it at 5am _every_ morning, "man cron" [16:15] and update cron as root [16:16] put this in your crontab: 0 5 * * * clvc --repeat /home-localuser/Music... [16:16] Keiffer use mpg321 to initiate your mp3 from cron [16:16] of course, that will also include _every_ day of the week ...... [16:17] alisonken1home, Do you have any CPU powersavings stuff going on? It could be spinning down the CPU when idle and causing a slow start up with the effects. [16:17] it needn't be root (the cron job) but if it isn't then the user has to be able to issue that command as is (right privs, etc) [16:17] alisonken1home, mancha, i have that line in corn. it works but only when i am logged in [16:17] cron works whether you're logged in or not [16:18] i do crontab -e. don't every users have their own crontab? [16:18] jnylin (n=jnylin@c-5f72e655.177-7-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Leaving" [16:19] yes, every user has his own crontab [16:19] Keiffer: did you add it when logged in as root? [16:19] adamk: have to check [16:19] thanks [16:19] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:19] alisonken1home, nope. just when I was logged in [16:20] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:20] LordAnta (n=wacky@188.27.105.161) joined ##slackware. [16:20] Keiffer: edit crontab as root - that should ensure it's run all of the time [16:20] mancha: but when he's not logged in, the audio device is owned by root [16:21] kiyoura (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:22] alisonken1home, i did that. root's crontab was empty. thank you all [16:22] by the way. can the process be stopped by any user? [16:22] tes it for 10 minutes from now so you aren't sad tomorrow at 6:30am when you've missed the space shuttle to the oon [16:22] *test [16:22] and is my command good or you woul suggest something else? [16:22] hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [16:23] mancha, yep [16:23] What,Camarade_Tux? [16:23] Tirili (n=opera@dslc-082-083-158-026.pools.arcor-ip.net) left ##slackware. [16:23] cadmium said to user mpg321 [16:23] Keiffer: only the owner/root can stop the process [16:23] what program is clvc? [16:24] cli vlc [16:24] ah ok [16:24] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:25] MLanden_lap: iwlist s tells me some interface doesn't support scanning but it should and it worked on yesterday [16:25] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578BC4.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:26] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:26] ouch....troubles with hal,Camarade_Tux? [16:26] good night [16:27] Camarade_Tux: run "ifconfig up" first [16:27] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [16:27] MLanden_lap: don't think so, it may be because it thinks the card is a bcm4315 while it is a bcm4312 [16:27] alienBOB: nope [16:28] Action: MLanden_lap bonks head with frozen eel.....iwlist [16:28] I added the driver/module for that specific card (not yet merged in the kernel) on yesterday but I don't know what dmesg said when it as working [16:29] Camarade maybe it is not in the right mode [16:30] did you do something funky like snoop packets making you change mode? [16:31] seems the 4315 vs. 4312 is expected here [16:31] mancha: did nothing [16:34] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:34] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@95.69.70.30) joined ##slackware. [16:34] seems "ifconfig eth1 up/down" has no effect [16:34] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:35] why's bittornado in /extra when 13 doesn't ship with wxpython? [16:36] am using sbopkg to build it atm, but it seems a bit odd that it's not in 13 [16:36] yesyes: do you have wxgtk? [16:36] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [16:37] bittorrnado may be one of those forgotten apps :) [16:37] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:38] hello happy slackers [16:38] transmission has proven to me to be stable enough to be included in slackware myself, hopefully Pat uses it and thinks to too for the next release [16:38] y0 LnxSlck [16:38] Pig, what're the deps? [16:38] yo MLanden_lap [16:38] gtk [16:39] MLanden_lap: i do have pygtk, yes. [16:39] ko, thanks [16:39] it will build and run nicely on a stock slackware install [16:39] Pig_Pen: () [16:39] fire|bird: hy [16:39] hi LnxSlck [16:40] I think transmission should replace extra/bit* [16:40] Hey LnxSlck [16:40] LnxSlck: How's it going? [16:40] actully if you dont want the GTK based client of transmission you can use --without-gtk and build just the console based app transmission-cli [16:41] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.35.29) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:41] which isn't bad,Pig_Pen [16:41] hmm i'll have a look at transmission when sbo stops raping my system [16:41] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:41] ah ok, cli souns even more appealing [16:41] yup, i have used both the gtk and cli client and they both work great [16:42] now i need a torrent to dl else this makes no sense :) [16:43] ito (n=ito@190.87.135.20) joined ##slackware. [16:44] wxpython took 400mb to compile... [16:44] i ran out of space in the end. building transmission now [16:44] :) [16:44] Im gonna install slac [16:44] on VirtualBox [16:44] righ now [16:44] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:44] ito: good, times a wasting, go go go. :D [16:44] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.35.29) joined ##slackware. [16:44] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:44] let 'em rip,ito...:D [16:45] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [16:46] n them im gonna make my system run on usb n cd with linux live scripts [16:47] n them i gonna make my own linux distro [16:48] yesyes: did you build transmission with wx as a dependency? you did not have to do that, all you would need is gtk for a GUI and use --without-wx [16:48] transmission hasn't nothing to do with wx; it won't even accept --without-wx [16:48] i just let sbo run as normal, and it built fine. wx was only for bittornado [16:48] MLanden_lap: Ah, there we go, got the lappy back up and running with the wifi now too. Nothing like a fresh slack install to mess with. :D [16:49] good to hear,fire|bird [16:49] can someone do a ls -l /tmp for me. i managed to delete /tmp and need to know its perms... [16:49] 1777 [16:50] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:50] thanks [16:51] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:51] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:52] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:53] x1user (i=1000@212.75.8.69) joined ##slackware. [16:53] actually, i didn't see that bittornado works in cli well enough. it's only the gui apps that complain [16:53] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:54] hrad_ (i=5ef1573e@gateway/web/freenode/x-mfkkdbffuwbswbma) joined ##slackware. [16:54] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:54] are there ia32-libs in 64 bit version ? [16:54] is there a netinstall way in slack? [16:54] brb [16:54] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-70-18-154-166.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [16:54] as in debian? [16:54] Yes [16:54] No [16:54] :S [16:55] yes there is [16:55] You two find out what answer was for whom [16:55] just choose your source to be ftp or http [16:55] I hope the mine is no [16:55] ok so there is and netinstall cd [16:55] ito: you are the new distro builder... you should learn these things [16:56] DarkGable (n=ray@76.114.161.73) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:56] hrad_: Slackware64 is 64bit only [16:56] ok, so I can't use nspluginwrapper for libflashplayer [16:56] ok if i download the disc 1 n select http or ftp installation, it will download the packages from the web [16:57] fire|bird: nice [16:57] thanks [16:57] and you? [16:57] LnxSlck: great, thanks. Songbird still working good for you? [16:57] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-70-18-154-166.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:57] wb MLanden_lap [16:58] thanks fire|bird [16:58] fire|bird: yeap very nice [16:58] hrad_: indeed [16:58] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-197.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:58] suid0_ (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [16:59] suid0_ (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: SendQ exceeded [16:59] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) left irc: "leaving" [17:00] ok im downloading Disc 1 [17:00] suid0_ (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [17:00] hrad_ (i=5ef1573e@gateway/web/freenode/x-mfkkdbffuwbswbma) left irc: "Page closed" [17:01] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:01] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [17:02] estevao (n=estevao@189.115.216.142) left irc: "Leaving." [17:05] mshade (n=mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:09] estevao (n=estevao@189.115.216.142) joined ##slackware. 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[17:14] roman times i guess [17:14] like 100 AD something like that [17:14] Tassis (n=tassis@unaffiliated/tassis) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:14] i am not 100% sure [17:14] wow, that is old [17:15] yeah [17:15] nheco (n=nheco@201.10.44.57) joined ##slackware. [17:15] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) left irc: Client Quit [17:15] greek writing [17:15] greece is full of that kind of stuff [17:15] axp (n=wbb@adsl113-177.ath.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [17:15] dhw (n=dhw@70.171.182.160) joined ##slackware. [17:15] Pig_Pen, i can read that [17:15] dhw (n=dhw@70.171.182.160) left irc: Client Quit [17:15] x1user (i=1000@212.75.8.69) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [17:15] what does it say? [17:15] yes its not BC cause letters are used in todays writing ... [17:15] it says use redhat and get hacked [17:16] lol [17:16] blackorca (n=blackorc@174-152-34-93.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [17:16] dhw (n=dhw@ip70-171-182-160.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:16] Kamus_H_Zwisch, hey, you there? [17:16] it says people should use open source s/w [17:16] dhw (n=dhw@ip70-171-182-160.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:16] :D [17:16] of general good of cause [17:16] except no redhat, fedora and other types of linux except for slackware [17:17] it says " someting about spartans being better than Ilions something like that [17:17] i dont know for sure [17:18] ancient grafitti..:D [17:18] i once farted on mikonos [17:18] it was the Spartans that killed all those Persions on the pass along the coast [17:18] and everyone smelled it [17:19] linXea (n=e@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:19] linXea (n=e@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:19] never leave town without a pack of 'em,Pig_Pen...:D [17:20] must be amazing to just look outside and stare at the parthanon [17:20] better than looking outside and seeing smog! [17:20] i look out my window and i either see the huge maple tree i planted or oak trees [17:21] oak trees are native here, there are billions of em [17:21] what is a good way to convert a line to lower case in vim? [17:21] no squirrels?!? [17:21] lots of squirrels [17:22] raccoons, opposums, deer, wild boar [17:22] g~$ [17:22] or just g~~ [17:22] macavity: you still around? [17:22] sometimes i feel like life would be easier to be a redneck like Pig_Pen [17:22] dont have to work, mortgage is $129.99 [17:22] hmm [17:22] coyotes too [17:22] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl7-76-13.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:22] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [17:22] pi31415: g~~ is flip line [17:22] yea and shoot coyotes! [17:22] no, g~$ toggles the case [17:22] jeev lives in a dumpster? [17:22] i want lower case only [17:23] no mortgage, my house is paid for, i just have utilities and groceries to worry about [17:23] yea a dumpster with a 300 dollar a day mortgage! [17:23] pi31415: guu [17:23] Zosma: thank you [17:23] np :-) [17:24] dhw (n=dhw@ip70-171-182-160.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:24] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:24] dhw (n=dhw@ip70-171-182-160.om.om.cox.net) left ##slackware. [17:25] i think i'm going to buy a house soon, and dreading the mortage :( [17:25] DarkGable (n=ray@76.114.161.73) joined ##slackware. [17:25] thrice`, are you single ? [17:25] thrice`: now is a good time to buy [17:25] or you and your partner greg are thinking about it [17:26] thrice`, if you're getting a home anywhere, stay in the cheap area, no need to get into an expensive city [17:26] no, not single [17:26] greg sleeps over sometimes [17:26] ahh [17:26] yup, think about all angles, including property tax & insurance [17:27] mememe (n=greg@cpe-65-185-163-153.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:27] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.168.190) joined ##slackware. [17:27] hi [17:27] sup ppl [17:27] y0 metrofox mememe [17:27] ananke: indeed; I figure my wages won't go up for a little while, but real estate is almost guarenteed to :) might be a better investment than a savings account at 0.5% or whatever they are these days :> [17:27] hi MLanden_lap :) [17:27] grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr [17:27] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl312-212.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:27] ah, metrofox, my favourite metrosexual fox. [17:28] real estate is only an investment in the long run, if you cn't afford it.. it's not [17:28] that's where the economy went berserk in america, everyone bought more houses for investment, 0 down [17:28] does sshd keep logs of who logged in and when? kind of like vsftpd [17:28] yesyes, did you smoke recently? :P [17:28] mememe (n=greg@cpe-65-185-163-153.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:28] nick4: /var/log/message i believe [17:28] okey yesyes let me check this [17:29] yes yesyes, it does, thank you (that was a nice pun :P) [17:29] suid0_ (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:30] refugiado (n=refugiad@187.41.225.152) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:30] evilazeee (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [17:31] dhw (n=dhw@ip70-171-182-160.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:31] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [17:31] thrice`: exactly. you get bargain prices on houses and fairly low interest rates [if you qualify] [17:31] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) left irc: Client Quit [17:31] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:32] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) joined ##slackware. [17:32] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) left ##slackware. [17:33] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:33] lolwut (n=lolwut@069-064-236-052.pdx.net) joined ##slackware. [17:33] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:33] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) joined ##slackware. [17:34] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) left ##slackware. [17:34] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) joined ##slackware. [17:34] we've got many homes in the area going for nearly assessed prices. at such prices, it's really not going to cost more than I'm already paying in rent [17:36] and you'll get small break on taxes [17:37] fhobia (n=fhobia@67.188.69.121) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:38] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left irc: "Leaving." [17:38] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [17:38] no [17:39] yes [17:40] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [17:41] Anybody know how to get rid of "Temperature above cpu threshold" messages? They are spamming tty6 while I'm building kde, so I can't tell what kde's up to. :/ My cpu doesn't even have a temp sensor. [17:43] fire|bird: is the sensors daemon running? [17:43] godling: I don't believe it is. [17:44] shut down syslog [17:44] that'll fix that :P [17:44] nachox: Ah, didn't think of that. :P Thanks. [17:44] nachox: do you employ hand grenades to take care of house flies? [17:44] or use a bazooka for a mosquito [17:45] godling, yes, that or nappalm [17:45] very effective [17:45] nachox: That didn't work, the messages are still going. WHAT THE..... :P [17:46] fire|bird: I have a better answer. Don't compile *kde*. :P [17:46] what the... what? :D [17:46] hahaha [17:46] hehe [17:47] nheco (n=nheco@201.10.44.57) left irc: "Saindo" [17:47] chopp: This happens even when I'm not compiling anything, those messages just start. :P [17:47] and there isn't a temp sensor, so I wan't em gone [17:47] hrm [17:47] wonder if I should update my kernel [17:47] chopp, mmm... that's not a better answer, that's a right answer :D [17:48] Oh know, now there's two non-kde'ers :P [17:48] argh, s/know/no/ [17:48] lol [17:48] what's wrong with that? [17:48] KDE is bloated [17:48] fire|bird: in my experience, sensor apps will try to read from sensors that are not there and get erroneous (sometimes absurdly so) values so you have to disable them. [17:48] nachox: Any other way to stop those messages? They are possessed. :P [17:49] godling: Where can I disable those at. It's been ages since I had this issue. [17:49] fire|bird: something with lm_sensors maybe? [17:49] bah [17:49] yo fire|bird [17:49] inman (n=root@p579B5DB4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving." [17:49] chopp: I removed lm_sensors a few minutes ago [17:49] y0 Camarade_Tux [17:49] fire|bird: I am afraid it is dependent on what softwre you've got installed [17:49] ito (n=ito@190.87.135.20) left irc: "Java user signed off" [17:50] fire|bird: remember the wlan I set up on yesterday? it suddenly stopped working [17:50] This is insane. :P [17:50] Camarade_Tux: that sucks, anything change? [17:50] fire|bird: not that I can find [17:50] can anyone recommend a newer flatbed scanner that works well with linux. [17:51] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl312-212.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Connection timed out [17:52] phew, those messages stopped now finally. [17:52] fan kick in,fire|bird?...:D [17:53] MLanden_lap: Well, this is the desktop, the fan runs all the time, it didn't sound like it kicked in any more than usual. :P [17:53] ahh...I see,fire|bird..:P [17:54] fire|bird, is you PC flying because of gans? [17:54] s/gans/fans/ [17:54] :D [17:54] haha, they started again. [17:54] metrofox: Nope, only 2 fans and not enough lift. :P [17:55] Kairos (n=Kairos@unaffiliated/kairos) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:55] LordAnta (n=wacky@188.27.105.161) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [17:56] some fans are so loud in many laptops, once I had to repair a laptop when... WRUUUM! An earthquake... [17:58] sounds like a propeller driven aircraft on takeoff [18:00] Pig_Pen, luckily it sounds like a propeller... Just imagine if... UUUU!... [18:01] heh, syslog stopped, lm_sensors gone, acpi stuff stopped, messages NOT stopped. :P [18:01] fire|bird: which daemons are running? [18:02] fire|bird, take a hammer, break anything, that really solves problems... [18:02] has anyone gotten gwibber to work with slack? [18:02] lolwut (n=lolwut@069-064-236-052.pdx.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:04] yes [18:04] BP{k}, whered you find the source? [18:04] MLanden_lap: Umm, not sure which daemons are running, I was just looking at ps aux, hald is one. [18:05] DarkGable (n=ray@76.114.161.73) left irc: "Leaving" [18:06] riddlebox: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/gwibber/1.2.0~bzr346-0ubuntu3/+files/gwibber_1.2.0~bzr346.orig.tar.gz [18:06] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [18:07] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:07] what does gwibber do? [18:08] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.15.141) joined ##slackware. [18:08] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [18:08] mancha: blogging [18:08] supports twitter, facebook, etc. [18:08] ah, ok - i'll pass ;) [18:09] mancha: haha, same here. [18:09] mancha: I never got into that blogging and whatnot. :P [18:09] riddlebox: but, for all it does .. it has a tremendous ammount of dependencies :| [18:09] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:09] BP{k} (n=michiel@buhkit.net) joined ##slackware. [18:09] e killed BPk [18:10] oh no, false alarm, he's alive [18:10] pgeek|| (i=pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:10] pgeek|| (i=pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) joined ##slackware. [18:10] lol [18:11] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:11] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. 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[18:14] here's one that seems lighter http://ljcharm.sourceforge.net/ [18:15] http://ljcharm.sourceforge.net/ [18:15] srry [18:15] lol [18:15] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop." [18:15] lol,indeed...:D [18:16] firedix (n=firedix@host234.201-252-183.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [18:16] martinus (n=martinus@125.167.51.200) joined ##slackware. [18:16] irssi over ssh... i do not like putty much [18:17] _AnywhereIs_ (n=edK@94.41.37.38.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left irc: Excess Flood [18:17] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432935.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:17] putty uses traditional cut/paste buttons. it is the way of the unix [18:17] _AnywhereIs_ (n=edK@94.41.37.38) joined ##slackware. [18:19] hrmm... [18:20] BP{k}, I looked forever haha apparently not well enough [18:20] nannes1 (n=nannes@host-78-14-193-224.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [18:20] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:20] Nick change: nannes1 -> nannes [18:21] BP{k}, do you have any other suggestions for apps to use with identi.ca? [18:21] nullm0dem (n=nullm0de@65-183-140-161-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:21] riddlebox: twirssi. [18:21] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [18:21] Zordrak (n=jaz@unaffiliated/zordrak) joined ##slackware. [18:21] hrmm I will have to look at it [18:21] but it requires some dependencies and you running irssi :) [18:23] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: [18:23] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) left irc: [18:23] here's yet another one....twidge...helluva name..:D [18:24] beans43 (n=mofo333@cpe-98-155-141-248.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:24] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.35.29) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:24] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [18:25] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [18:25] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:26] I like how Linux makes it quite easy to use WPA2 even with 802.11b hardware. [18:29] EuroTrash, i am studying cisco unified wlan/wlc [18:29] take care,slackers....talk with all later [18:29] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-70-18-154-166.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [18:30] wlc? [18:30] lol.. mlanden is near me, I wonder if he is part of my lug [18:32] Zordrak_ (n=jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:32] riddlebox: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/dOGUwo43.html <-gwibber dep tree [18:32] wireless lan controller, nachox [18:32] rhys (n=rhys@c-67-176-142-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:33] BP{k}, ewww [18:33] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@75.56.48.15) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [18:33] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: "êîãäà ÿ óìåð íåáûëî íèêîãî, êòî áû ýòî îïðîâåðã" [18:33] Linux is really coming together, this laptop has nearly everything supported and configured out of the box, brightness control, volume controls, cpu frequency scaling, battery monitor. [18:33] riddlebox: yeah .. eww indeed. While I like the idea of the program, t hat ammount for a microblogging client is just ".. you're doing it wrong" [18:34] Granted, it's not the newest machine, but still... and this is Slackware. [18:34] BP{k}, I agree [18:34] ='( [18:35] EuroTrash: your open use of the word linux like it is all encompasing is sort of irritating me, can't you just refer to the distro you are using? [18:35] Freakish C bugs. Declare global variable "int i" [18:35] mfillpot: no, because mostly this is mainline stuff. [18:35] It's in the kernel, xorg, kde, hall, etc. etc. [18:35] -l [18:35] Most of which are in the basis of any distro around currently. [18:36] moh2a (n=mohaa@89.16.15.141) joined ##slackware. [18:36] beans43 (n=mofo333@cpe-98-155-141-248.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:36] EuroTrash: the hardware support is decided by the distro author's decision as to which dirvers and modules to include in their default kernel, slack is good because most all hard is setup as modules in the default kernels [18:36] Pretty much none of this "glue" has anything to do with what the distro maintainers did, apart from putting together a set of basic packages. [18:37] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/421095 [18:37] ajna (n=ajna@68.235.238.95) joined ##slackware. [18:37] now, the only problem is that it's a typical ubuntu bug report so completely useless ='( [18:38] Camarade_Tux: hm I saw someone in archlinux stumbling upon this as well. [18:38] Hello. Any OpenOffice.org users present? I'm trying to find the default template for OO.org Writer documents under Slackware 13 - OO.org version 3.1 -, so I can edit it and make double spacing the norm for new documents. Little help? [18:38] Same chip if I recall correctly. [18:39] 4312 here [18:39] Did you change the kernel in the meantime? [18:40] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [18:42] A Windows user in the OpenOffice.org channel said the default templates are kept in \OpenOffice.org 3\basis\share\templates under that OS. Does anyone know where I may find them under Slackware? [18:42] estevao1 (n=estevao@189.115.219.11) joined ##slackware. [18:42] estevao (n=estevao@189.115.216.142) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:43] triple argh ! need to be root for iwlist s to work on that machine [18:43] ajna: hm, is your locate db up to date? Do a search for templates |grep openoffice , I guess. [18:43] ajna: call this command to see the location "locate template|grep -i openoffice" [18:43] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "rewt" [18:43] Thanks EuroTrash and mfillpot. [18:43] I'll try that now. [18:44] but wicd saw nothing and wicd-client shouldn't need to be ran as root [18:44] I don't think my database is up to date. This is a fairly new installation. [18:44] I'll try anyway. [18:44] I wish OpenOffice supported Lotus Wordpro [18:44] remotely debugging wifi network issues ain't fun [18:44] ajna: it's simple, just run updatedb before you search. [18:44] Camarade_Tux: does lcpci see the card and does lsmod show a loaded module? [18:45] Camarade_Tux: you usually do need root for iwlist to work [18:45] BP{k}, looks like choqok, might be a better choice, plus its in sbo [18:45] At least in my experience [18:45] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:45] "Choqok", who makes these things up, heh. [18:46] yeah I know lol [18:46] I guess it is up to date. The grep command gave a long list of files, but they're all in the same dir. Thanks for the help. [18:46] NaCl: the problem is that I'm always avoiding wifi so it's very hard for me to debug anything =/ [18:46] but I should have had a better reflex: iwlist is in /sbin, for root [18:46] yeah, but the output won't be too interesting, IIRC. [18:47] just running it as my normal user when I am connected to via an ethernet cable results in "no scan results" [18:47] LardAndSavior (n=LardAndS@76.73.16.26) joined ##slackware. [18:48] that was so stupid [18:48] linXea (n=e@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:48] I think it'll teach me to go to bed at 5am [18:48] linXea (n=e@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:49] how do i run the kde control panel from xfce...trying to disable "kTeaTime" which shouldnt be running by default imo.... [18:49] Thanks again. I've found the templates at /opt/openoffice.org3/basis-link/share/template/en-US. Now, I just have to find the right template to edit. Thanks. [18:49] LardAndSavior: systemsettings [18:49] i cant remember the command or kommand if you will [18:49] and ControlPanel loads java control panel lol [18:50] EuroTrash, it is persian for sparrow [18:50] it tells you that during the install lol [18:51] oh guessi just access the settings through konqueror [18:51] I'm... sure it is, haha. [18:54] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:54] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [18:55] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.12.209) joined ##slackware. [18:55] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) joined ##slackware. [18:56] weird and then you go to applications from konqueror and its called Control Center [18:56] for even more options [18:57] hmm or not...same options different interface, still cant find the startup applications thingy [18:58] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) joined ##slackware. [19:00] x1user (i=1000@host-212-75-8-69.bbccable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:00] question: i just added some new windows TTF fonts for use in slackware64 13.0 to my "~/.fonts" how can I "use" these fonts? do I need to update some font-cache? I am using KDE4, and trying to have conky access these fonts... [19:00] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.229.106) joined ##slackware. [19:01] fnord0: run pkgtool and go to setup and do teh fonts one [19:01] say not the console fonts...its the fc-cache thing it will do the rest [19:01] LardAndSavior, perrrrrrfect [19:01] thanks! [19:01] except id ont think they go in ~/.fonts ... [19:01] I was just thinking about that... [19:02] cant you put them in the X11R6/share/fonts/TTF/ directory or such [19:02] sure [19:02] i will do that [19:02] ! [19:02] =) [19:03] kk [19:03] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:04] hello happy people [19:04] i c wut u did thar [19:06] martinus (n=martinus@125.167.51.200) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:06] fnord0: since i never add fonts to linux...not sure if you have to restart X afterwards [19:07] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.3) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:07] fnord0: I put extra TTF fonts in /usr/share/fonts/TTF/ then in that directory run "mkfontdir ; mkfontscale ; fc-cache" as root afterwards. [19:08] coll [19:08] cool [19:08] thanks ya`all = LardAndSavior and mingdao [19:08] it all works now [19:08] simple, and beautful [19:08] beautiful even [19:09] heh [19:12] estevao1 (n=estevao@189.115.219.11) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:12] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [19:13] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:13] fnord0: did the pkgtool script do it? [19:13] ive never messed with it except when after downgrading from 13 to 12.2 i had to re-run that cuz x couldnt find default font "fixed" lol [19:14] why did you downgrade from 13 to 12.2? [19:15] LardAndSavior, yep, pkgtool! [19:15] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] but as mingdao said, "mkfontdir ; mkfontscale ; fc-cache" does the trick without pkgtool [19:15] =) [19:16] /j ##slackware-special-ed [19:17] hahahahaha [19:18] azarion (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) joined ##slackware. [19:19] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [19:19] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:19] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:20] Nick change: azarion -> anahel [19:21] thrice`: because i could [19:21] for fun [19:21] DarkGable (n=ray@76.114.161.73) left irc: "Leaving" [19:22] sounds useless [19:22] kinda like asking your mom why she gave birth to you [19:22] s/useless/useless & pointless/ [19:23] can he be banned yet? [19:23] so is spending 2 weeks on conky fire|bird [19:23] ziiing [19:24] deco (n=deco@69.108.88.254) joined ##slackware. [19:24] ban me for helping people or for getting attacked by elitist pricks? [19:24] no, for being a fucking tool in general [19:24] Action: deco wonders what's going on [19:24] Action: Camarade_Tux starts robots -t -a [19:25] thrice` ignore is your friend [19:25] do it by ip not by nick, btw [19:25] yes, ignore works for me, but others might actually consider you useless [19:25] roliveira (i=1000@88.214.129.149) joined ##slackware. [19:25] deco: nothing spectacular. [19:25] arfon (n=arfon@99.184.95.109) joined ##slackware. [19:25] roliveira (i=1000@88.214.129.149) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:26] fire|bird: damn :P [19:26] i consider you useless because i dont need your petty bullshit........ok im not feeding the troll anymore [19:26] LardAndSavior: yes, you were usario or so? a troll then, and a troll now [19:26] Hello everyone [19:26] hi arfon [19:26] i was pissed off, im human...kde4 SUCKED ASSHOLE so i downgraded, make fun of me, i could care [19:26] deco: lol. I'm building 4.3.1 on the desktop. [19:26] fire|bird: eek, why! [19:27] Does anyone know if its possible to force udev to assign eth0, eth1 by matching an upstream MAC? [19:27] Hi thrice [19:27] afron: Yes, I've done it before [19:27] don't remember how [19:27] but I changed eth1 to wlan0 [19:27] thrice`: hahaha, Well, I have 4.3.1 on the laptop and figured I'd put it on the desktop too, and that 4.3.68 folder is STILL empty. I'm on xfce right now though, I've been using that the past week or so. [19:28] s/afron/arfon/ [19:28] fire|bird: nice! does it take a long time for you ? [19:28] Is there a HOW TO somewhere? What is what I'm trying to do called? [19:28] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:28] deco: about 5-6 hours, yeah. Should soon be done. I have temperature errors spamming tty6 where I'm buidling it, so I can't tell where it's at. :/ [19:28] arfon: try- http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/udev.htm [19:28] x1user (i=1000@host-212-75-8-69.bbccable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:29] some good examples there, eg: KERNEL=="eth*", SYSFS{address}=="00:12:34:fe:dc:ba", NAME="eth-intel" [19:29] Let me clarify.... From an upstream MAC, not the local MAC.... [19:29] is xmodmap still the preferred way to change keyboard layouts or is there some new trickery using hal ? [19:30] oh :( [19:30] (in a non-de like fvwm, blackbox, ..) [19:30] I have two incoming modems.... I want one to always be eth0 and one to always be eth1.... [19:31] fire|bird: awww:( on your laptop ? [19:31] strange that they arent automatically numbered the same everytime [19:31] (I'm working on making a router with 4 nics...) [19:31] deco: Over 900,000 CPU temp messages. :/ No, desktop. [19:31] arfon, http://flipsidereality.com/blog/linux/rename-hardware-devices-like-eth0-using-udev-for-linux/comment-page-1/ [19:31] fire|bird: wow [19:31] deco: no kidding. [19:31] fire|bird: what coudl be the cause ? [19:31] could* [19:31] if i had for every time i got a cpu temp message.....i'd have $9,000 [19:31] if i had a penny [19:32] lol [19:32] I think that gives me enough to figure it out. Thanks! [19:32] deco: I wish I knew, I'd fix it. :P [19:32] fire|bird: sure :P [19:32] deco: It's some error somewhere, this pc doesn't even have temp sensors [19:32] lol, kbounce worked in slack13, but in 12.2 its back to segfaulting....crap makes no sense kdesud[7092]: segfault at 70166148 ip b758b41b sp bf891ed0 error 4 in libGL.so.180.60[b7551000+8d000] whyyyy [19:32] it segfaulted in 12.2, then not in 13, now again in 12.2 [19:32] Nick change: arfon -> arfon-lurking [19:33] kde versions between 13 and 12.2 are completely different, you can't even compare them [19:33] if it segfaulted in 12.2 why would you expect it to not do so the 2nd time around? [19:33] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:34] fire|bird: is it old ? [19:34] deco: 2004 [19:34] so, 5 years [19:34] fire|bird: not bad mines from 2001 :P [19:34] lol [19:34] I wish this temp crap would stop so I could see how much kde has left to go. [19:35] must be my nvidia driver version [19:35] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:35] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.16) joined ##slackware. [19:35] lots of kde stuff that doesnt even use libGL makes messages in dmesg that says they crashed...even if they dont (afaik) like that kdesu [19:36] still better than kde4 :[#] [19:36] fire|bird: dump it in cold water lol :P [19:37] haha [19:37] you can submerge it in mineral oil [19:37] deco: Then it'd be, fire|bird is now known as fried|bird. :P [19:37] fire|bird: than i can eat you :P [19:38] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:38] nah, I'd be long gone before you got near where I'm at. :D [19:38] hahaha [19:38] Managed to set the OpenOffice spacing to double by default. Thanks. Bye. [19:38] usr_loca1 (n=usr_loca@76.97.113.50) joined ##slackware. [19:39] GanjaGoo (n=Roberto@76.5.140.90) left irc: "Leaving" [19:39] holy crap, it's reached the 1,000,000 mark of those dang messages. [19:39] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.143) joined ##slackware. [19:39] :/ guess he was waiting for help on that for a while...try #openoffice next time? [19:39] usr_local (n=usr_loca@c-76-97-113-50.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:39] He got help here and accomplished what he wanted. [19:40] I did try it. [19:40] I wasn't waiting for help. I got help and was trying to be polite (I'll be back for some other issue at some point). [19:40] See everyone later. [19:40] oh k, [19:40] sometimes meaning gets mangled over irc [19:41] see ya ajna, take care. [19:41] and timing.. must have gotten help a while ago [19:42] ajna (n=ajna@68.235.238.95) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:42] you guys know about happypenguin.org [19:43] for when you arent adminning your slackbox :P [19:44] usr_loca1 (n=usr_loca@76.97.113.50) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [19:44] usr_local (n=usr_loca@c-76-97-113-50.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:49] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:51] if i start rxvt, shutdown X, rxvt still runs in the background and shoots to 100% ...any clue why this is happening ? [19:52] rxvt is initially xinit->fvwm2->rxvt ...but then it graduates to be part of init->rxvt ...really puzzling [19:52] bad programing [19:53] xterm ftw? [19:53] rxvt didn't properly get the message that X shut down, it is racing to try to read or write from stdin or stdout [19:53] arfon-lurking (n=arfon@99.184.95.109) left irc: "Leaving" [19:53] man, this didn't used to happen - i'll try the experiment with xterm [19:53] does xkill do the samet hing [19:54] not sure how to use xkill [19:54] what boggles me is that i thought if you had xinit->fvwm->rxvt and you killed fvwm, then all the forked processes under fvwm would die [19:55] guess thats not true [19:55] http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/09/20/209211 [19:56] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:56] LardAndSavior (n=LardAndS@76.73.16.26) left irc: K-lined [19:56] Prodego (i=Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego) joined ##slackware. [19:56] if i killed fvwm on my system everything running within fvwm will die too [19:57] Prodego (i=Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego) left ##slackware ("From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"). [19:57] pi31415 (n=ben@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "peace" [19:58] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [19:58] KillerV (i=1000@bhe200150044095.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:59] evilazeee (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:59] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [19:59] KillerV (i=1000@bhe200150044095.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:59] SQlvpapir (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left irc: Operation timed out [20:00] DarkGable (n=ray@76.114.161.73) joined ##slackware. [20:01] cybErpunk (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [20:01] cybErpunk (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [20:01] cybErpunk (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:01] cybErpunk (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. 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[20:13] That also reminds me of the fortune I just got a bit ago "Real users don't use the help button" [20:13] macavity: how do you load your kms? [20:15] thrice`: i build it in [20:15] your console instantly is at hte proper resolution? [20:15] yes [20:16] how do i set X to use the new xorg.conf file i made instead of the -vesa one ? [20:16] i also left out the vesa vga text console and the vesafb drivers.. just to be sure there were no fighting over the device [20:16] dv-: by default, it'll use /etc/X11/xorg.conf [20:16] dv-: if the file is named /etc/X11/xorg.conf it will be used.. if it named anything else, you specifically have to call startx with the right parameters [20:17] well before i installed the nvidia drivers there was no xorg.conf, it was using xorg.conf-vesa, and now that the drivers are installed i need to set it to use the xorg.conf the nvidia installer generated [20:18] so, if there is now an xorg.conf there, will it use that instead of the vesa ? [20:18] or do i need to set it somewhere [20:18] dv-, If you used the nvidia tools to generate an xorg.conf, it created/edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf [20:18] cause i tried running the nvidia settings gui and it said i wasnt using the nvidia driver [20:18] yeah created [20:20] i dont think it edited anything bc there was no xorg.conf, just the -vesa one [20:20] so..how do i use the new one ? configure something with startx ? [20:21] dv-: no, before it was not using any config file [20:21] dv-: modern xorg servers dont *require* one.. if it doesnt guess the right values you can make one [20:22] dv-: i have one.. it only makes sure the intel driver load XvMC support [20:22] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.168.190) left irc: "Segmentation Fault" [20:22] LnxSlck__ (n=LnxSlck@89.214.109.91) joined ##slackware. [20:23] so the xorg.conf-vesa wasnt even being used ? [20:24] dv-: no [20:24] ah, k [20:25] i belive that is what i just said.. twice :P [20:25] kejen (n=brian@67.202.107.232) joined ##slackware. [20:25] ddlord (n=ddlord@94.41.37.38.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [20:26] macavity: third times a charm? :P [20:26] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@95.69.70.30) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:28] dd :D slackware is hardcore! but nice :) [20:28] it's not hardcore :( [20:29] silvya saint is hardcore [20:30] i think ddlord is right... slackware is so naked that is borders the x rated :P [20:30] just the way a distro should be [20:31] naked and to the point... and willing to do anything for you ;-) [20:31] at last this noob (me) installed it! :D [20:31] lol [20:31] omg 6 AM [20:31] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) left irc: [20:32] ddlord: get some sleep, plenty of time to use the naked and hardcore tomorrow. :P [20:32] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] http://omploader.org/vMmU1cA my slackware is simple :) [20:33] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] i didn't say slackware is naked. its great server OS :) [20:33] thrice`: you know me.. i want it a little more porned up ;-) [20:33] as it should be [20:34] thrice`: That's almost Fedora-esque, only gnome color icons instead of Mist, and the nodoka-ish theme. [20:34] xfce ftw :) [20:35] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:35] http://imagebin.org:80/64619 [20:35] yes, it is nodoka :D [20:36] I could tell with the way the buttons are. Not quite fedoras nodoka, but really similar. [20:36] macavity: porned up? [20:36] fire|bird: no, it's fedora's :) but the square version [20:36] nooper: not crackwhored up.. like e17 or anything like that :P [20:36] well, i'm referring to the GTK engine [20:36] kaboom ! [20:36] the window buttons are just built-in xfce [20:37] thrice`: Ah, ok, I haven't tried Fedora in a while, except for a kde live cd of 11, and that doesn't have the nodoka theme in use. [20:37] but the GTK engine is: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/desktop/gtk-nodoka-engine/ [20:37] ddlord (n=ddlord@94.41.37.38.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left irc: "got PWNed on your windowz at port 445 again? mhahahah! Use linux!" [20:37] fire|bird: fedora 11 has the damn best gnome theme :P [20:37] Rackattack (n=eric@user-0c8h5mh.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [20:37] deco: really? cool [20:38] Fedora is usually well known for their artwork [20:38] but at the end of the day it is still fedora :P [20:38] fire|bird: at least imo , it's nice blue theme [20:38] LnxSlck_ (n=LnxSlck@95.69.0.136) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:38] but, it's opensource, and we can steal everything for use on slackware :) (see above) [20:38] macavity: WHAT THE, FF and not Konq? nepomuk's running. Blender and Gwenview are alright though. [20:39] fire|bird: \o/ [20:39] Well, strigi is running at least, and strigi can't run unless nepomuk is enabled. [20:39] y0 Camarade_Tux [20:39] fire|bird: actually it is FF because i rememberd i had the tutorial in its history [20:39] fire|bird: I worked around gobject-introspection's upstream suckiness :) [20:39] Camarade_Tux: awesome [20:40] fire|bird: that means browser isn't waiting anymore :) [20:40] macavity: Uh huh, sure...... :P [20:40] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [20:40] fire|bird: i normaly only use FF for slashdot and youtube :P [20:40] Camarade_Tux: great to hear. :) [20:40] macavity: :P [20:40] still work to do but I don't feel like shooting myself anymore :P [20:40] fire|bird: been watching blender tuts with the kid all day [20:40] fire|bird: figure out the sensors thing? [20:40] godling: not really, just removed lm_sensors and have since restarted and it hasn't happened again, yet. [20:41] macavity: yeah, blender is an awesome app if you take the time to learn about it. [20:41] I almost have 4.3.1 finished building. \o/ [20:41] and now, almost time to go to bed, good night :) [20:41] \o/ [20:41] night Camarade_Tux [20:41] night Camarade_Tux [20:43] Camarade_Tux: Bonne nuit. Pas fart avec votre tête sous la couverture. [20:44] godling: lol :P [20:44] neonflux (n=mrjones@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:45] Camarade_Tux: Was that accurate? I used babelfish. [20:47] godling: Well, google sees that as: Good night. Not fart with your head under insurance coverage. [20:47] fire|bird: the hardest part about it seem to be the strange UI concepts [20:47] fire|bird: but it is *very* well thought out once you get the hang of it [20:48] macavity: The UI is rather cluttered imo. [20:48] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [20:48] godling: dont click unless you have to :P [20:48] macavity: yeah, have you watched any of the movies that have been created with it? [20:48] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:48] fire|bird: only clips [20:48] godling: you meant that I shouldn't fart with my head under my sheets? [20:49] Camarade_Tux, dutch oven [20:49] Is there any way I can download caca-utils and aview without getting apt-get? [20:49] fire|bird: but at least i am starting to just correctly guess which button to press on the keyboard to get the mode that i want [20:49] Camarade_Tux: bingo! :D [20:50] Babelfish is getting better! [20:50] macavity: haha, yeah, it can be tricky at first. [20:50] godling: forget babelfish, just get a cute french girl, Camarade_Tux can maybe hook you up. :P [20:50] Action: deco took one semester of french [20:51] I don't like ennui _that_ much. [20:51] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:51] lol [20:51] Besides, if I hooked up with a French woman then I might be tempted to move to France and then I wouldn't want to come back to hte US. [20:52] haha [20:52] yeah you would [20:52] godling: the grammar of that sentence was awful [20:52] quickly, might I add [20:52] lol [20:52] Camarade_Tux: j'adore le slackware :D <----one semester of french [20:52] Camarade_Tux: the one in French? [20:53] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:53] Camarade_Tux: What might it have looked like if it were correct? [20:53] I joined into the French hour [20:53] damn [20:53] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: [20:53] antiwire: come back in another, we'll be eating kebab and throwing shoes at fire|bird [20:53] anybody have a problem where their thinkpad's trackpoint just shows up a regular synaptics mouse in HAL ? [20:53] antiwire: Which hour would you have prefered? :P [20:53] antiwire, just be glad they're not talking in french in pirate.. yesterday was HORRIBLE. [20:54] lol [20:54] lol [20:54] fhobia: most trackpads end up using the synaptics driver [20:54] 'trackpad' [20:54] most thinkpad's touchpads will be synaptics [20:55] oh ok...the middle button doesn't do anything though [20:55] did you guys have that problem ? [20:55] If I got a Thinkpad I would want the other kind of mouse. [20:55] yeah, the 'button' [20:55] We call them something dirtier around here. [20:55] my middle "click" works as expected [20:55] the nipple [20:55] twolf: dirtier [20:55] the nipple \o/ [20:55] clit [20:55] its not the nipple though [20:55] yeah LSD` [20:56] http://xkcd.com/243/ :P [20:56] For being horribly inappropriate LSD` wins the plucked chicken in stockings award [20:56] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Success [20:56] all these tutorials just say "since everything uses hal it should be automatic" [20:56] well if its not ...then ... ?? [20:57] LSD`: haha I never saw that one [20:57] iife is not fair :( [20:57] life* [20:57] that's the thing with hal. if it's works, it's easy. if it doesn't, it's a pain in the ass to fix [20:57] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: "Molon Labe" [20:57] EuroTrash (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:58] yeah... [20:58] usually it's just a matter of fscking with policykit innit? [20:58] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] O.O [20:59] godling: "ne pête pas pendant que tu as la tête sous les draps" ;) [20:59] holy.. babelfish understands pirate ! yar je de copain ! nous sommes soumis aux attaques ! tiges du YE d'avast ! [20:59] deco: just s/le // :) [20:59] or are you guys talking about actual hal fdi policies? [20:59] I've never had to mess with them myself. [21:00] really going to bed now, night [21:01] nite Camarade [21:01] night Camarade_Tux [21:02] do you have to reboot x after restarting hal ? [21:03] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.65.128) joined ##slackware. [21:03] restarting X does not require a reboot, but it might help if you just changed hardware [21:04] just log out, and - [21:05] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.133.213) left irc: "Leaving" [21:05] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [21:05] it's a nipple [21:06] bottom line. nipple. [21:06] i thought it was ctl-alt-bs [21:06] antiwire has spoken. so it shall be written, so shall it be done. [21:07] it's definitely some kind of bs [21:07] :O [21:07] control alternate bullsht? [21:07] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.88.123) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [21:08] antiwire: still having good luck with ath5k and hostapd? [21:10] yeah [21:10] macavity: chopp and I are even using WPA-EAP [21:10] works great [21:11] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:11] you and chopp share a network [21:11] ? [21:11] anyone use pandora ? [21:11] thrice`: me [21:12] antiwire: that is freaking awesome :-) [21:12] deco: do you use the web interface? [21:12] thrice`: yes [21:12] macavity: it's good and at this point all I guess will happen are bug fixes and enhancements [21:12] I found a pretty awesome CLI client :) [21:12] thrice`: :O [21:12] Hi, anyone familiar with tmux? [21:12] thrice`: where ? share the goods :P [21:13] http://github.com/abrouwers/ajb_slackbuilds/tree/master/pianobar/ [21:13] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [21:13] they don't put out tarballs, but it's called "pianobar". [21:13] thrice`: wow that will be so awesome gonna try it thanks !! :D [21:14] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:14] deco: very, i'm super impressed [21:14] antiwire: do you and chopp go shopping for drapes together as well? [21:14] thrice`: no annoying flash :) [21:14] if you just run the slackbuild, it'll grab the code and package it [21:14] since it's only available via git [21:15] thrice`: thanks, i use pandora a lot so it will be super fun :) [21:15] Nick change: witukind__ -> witukind [21:17] Is there any way I can download caca-utils and aview without getting apt-get? [21:17] I'm about to try to convert this system to Slackware from another distro, but all my partitions (sans /boot) are encrypted. Have the Slackware installation scripts been changed to deal with already-encrypted partitions or am I going to have to do some finagling? [21:17] check if there's a slackbuild at slackbuilds.org [21:18] well I don't know of any else in here using WPA-EAP, except for me, chopp and StevenR [21:18] AbortRetryFail (n=arf@pool-71-122-88-2.tampfl.ftas.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:18] apt-get --dist-upgrade slackware ;p [21:18] finagling probably [21:18] godling: ^^^ [21:18] :/ [21:18] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [21:18] godling: lets see your network biatch. :P [21:19] at least by what I saw this morning when I installed this morning [21:19] I really wish hulu would post more House episodes [21:20] chopp: I've got a 50' cat6 that I've jacked in with dog [21:20] Action: godling represents [21:20] antiwire: how many does it have? o_O [21:20] LSD`: a decent dose but not nearly enough! [21:21] neonflux (n=mrjones@209.19.58.106) joined ##slackware. [21:21] chopp: they'll all come running when/if WPA2-personal gets broken..muhahha [21:21] Action: godling sniffs chopp's packets [21:21] PKI is the solution to many problems we have [21:22] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@89.214.23.48) joined ##slackware. [21:23] I think the only real solution that everyone avoids is that we just need to stop being dillholes to each other. [21:23] Then we wouldn't _need_ all these competing layers of security and obscurity. [21:23] or missile defense networks [21:23] and until then...PKI [21:24] I don't think there's going to be a 'then', antiwire. We're always going to be jerks. :) [21:24] lol [21:25] haha http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Public-Key-Infrastructure.svg [21:25] nice shorts [21:25] there's an interesting group in the crypto community which actively criticizes pki, btw [21:25] mancha: the people who didn't think of it first? [21:25] but pki, as it turns out, is a big cash cow for those who sell trust, so we'll probably see it for a while [21:26] seriously, what's better than public key? [21:26] mancha: I'm not familiar with that group but if I were to take a guess at a criticism against PKI I would start with the single failure point of a privately controlled CA. [21:27] If a company's private CA gets owned or destroyed you're pretty much fscked [21:27] Reticent2 (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:27] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:28] or if they are illicit [21:28] it doesn't even need to get to that, have you taken a look at your root certs? [21:28] Rackattack (n=eric@user-0c8h5mh.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:28] Reticent3 (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:28] Reticent3 (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [21:28] most CAs are a joke right now anyways [21:28] for my setup, the only root cert is my own CA though [21:28] verisign can lick me where I pee [21:29] antiwire: that's usually the case for private webservers, in my experience. [21:29] DarkGable (n=ray@76.114.161.73) left irc: "Leaving" [21:30] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-61-4-154.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:31] I actually keep a different CA for each; the wireless and the https [21:31] Reticent2 (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [21:31] another issue is how many are md5 fingerprinted [21:31] but for my personal stuff I don't pay to sign against a commercial CA [21:31] speaking of pkc have any of you guys read Crypto by Stephen Levy? [21:32] even nowadays when we know md5 is broken [21:32] Reticent1 (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:32] Reticent1 (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:32] Reticent1 (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [21:33] antiwire: that's an exceptional circumstance, though. presumably you'll know anyone who wants to connect to your server(s) and they'll know you. [21:33] yep [21:33] so the trust is already established [21:34] AbortRetryFail (n=arf@pool-71-122-88-2.tampfl.ftas.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:34] but I really don't know what we're talking about anymore so I'll just say: noodles! [21:36] mmmm, ramon noodles [21:37] LnxSlck__ (n=LnxSlck@89.214.109.91) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:37] Who's Ramon? [21:37] i think wpa-eap with short-lived certs and a very well protected machine for the CA is pretty good security [21:37] That's dirty! [21:37] gnubien: top ramen [21:37] like anything though, the chain breaks at its weakest link. just make sure you've thought about those... [21:38] mancha: You are the weakest link. Goodbye! [21:38] now that was a scary woman [21:38] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@89.214.23.48) left irc: "Leaving" [21:38] pirving (n=jd@67.244.247.75) joined ##slackware. [21:39] hey, How do I run xcdroast as su? [21:39] re: this thread, i heard open-radius had some issues recently. if you're using that make sure you're patched [21:39] Do I need any gst-* packages to burn mp3 to an audio cd? [21:39] should I use FFMPEG to convert to *.wqv? [21:39] wav [21:40] I downloaded xfburn but it compains that no MP3 decoder is found and tells me download gst-* [21:40] I went to slackbuilds.org and downloaded gst-plugins-good [21:40] -bad [21:40] mancha: I like psk but I don't know if that's too scalable [21:40] and I didn't download ugly [21:40] pirving: " su - && xcdroast" [21:40] Clint Eastwood [21:40] after "su -" you will be prompted for root password [21:40] alinsonken1noc: Thank U [21:41] pirving, latest i knew, you didn't need su to run a cd burning app as of kernel 2.6 [21:41] yeah, I need to config xcdroast [21:41] as root [21:41] that command didn't work [21:41] I get a prompt [21:42] thrice`: how do i start pianobar o_O i read the manpage and still don't know how :P [21:42] nyRednek: depends on how you set your permissions up with the cd device and your groups :) [21:42] I need to run xcdroast as root to config I don't wanna logout of my X session [21:42] alisonken1home, ah... [21:42] I guess I can if it's easier. I'm running xfce [21:42] pirving: ok - instead of &&, just su - after login run xcdroast [21:42] deco: "pianobar" :) [21:42] cannot open display [21:42] but you may get display rejection errors unless you run 'xhost +' before su [21:43] thrice`: i did .....well im running it on arch linux :P [21:43] alisonken1home, i just added my users to a group so they could burn, and set permissions on the device to group [21:43] antiwire, do you do eap-tls, -ttls, or -peap? [21:43] pirving: DISPLAY=:0 xcdroast [21:43] deco: after you run pianobar, it should prompt you for your username/password [21:43] nyRednek: I usually set that up when I add the account [21:43] alisonken1home, yeah, same here [21:43] mancha: tls [21:43] thrice`: ok thanks if it doesn't work here ill try on my slackware partition later :) [21:44] antiwire: you rock [21:44] isn't eap-tls pretty much standard? [21:44] deco: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=23233 ? :> [21:45] ok, in xcdroast it says "no image dir found, you need to specify at least one" [21:46] deco: what happens when you run pianobar ? [21:46] pirving: have you read the help for xcdroast? [21:46] anyone familiar with this program? maybe I should join #xcdroast [21:46] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:46] or you could just look for the manual pirving [21:46] I tried using k3b but it crashed and burned [21:46] over and over [21:46] thrice`: \o/ thanks! [21:46] pirving: is it an .iso ? [21:46] wait....it just crashed [21:46] no burn [21:46] pirving: I prefer xfburn. [21:46] I'm making a mix cd for my g/f [21:46] i think that's solid. it's just so hard to know...most of our crypto solutions comes from things being hard to do mathematically. [21:46] Action: thrice` likes recorder [21:46] it's mp3 I d/l off Frostwire [21:47] oh no....I'm illegal [21:47] AHHH [21:47] we don't need to know that pirving [21:47] DRM [21:47] microsoft is coming for me [21:47] we dont *want* to know that :P [21:47] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:47] Action: pirving smiles [21:47] and every once in a while we get a nasty suprise like learning md5 can bebroken and broken badly. all of a sudden all those safe brank transactions don't seem so safe anymore :/ [21:47] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:47] as per channel guidelines [21:47] well at least I know how to use irssi [21:48] Action: pirving has been using it since 94 [21:48] mancha: have you seen how much payload data even the best attacks need to append? [21:48] Action: pirving has run slackware since it came out [21:48] antiwire, not sure what radius implementation you're on, but like i said i recall recent news regarding some issues [21:48] Action: pirving still doesn't know what the fuck he is doing [21:48] might want to check up on that [21:48] pirving: in that case you should start reading some manuals [21:49] RTFM [21:49] yay! [21:49] pirving: slackbook is bueno [21:49] you are getting the message [21:49] Why, when you knowledgeable people are here to troubleshoot my issues [21:49] you're going to annoy us before that happens [21:49] rather than reading page after page of bullshit until I find my issue [21:49] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Fuck off with your Star Trek ideas" [21:50] this channel is volunteer.. there's no standard that says anyone has to answer your question ;) [21:50] if that is your view on this problem you just earned yourself a WONTFIX for good [21:50] point and case: i'm already annoyed, and i don't even know what his problem is [21:50] ananke++ [21:50] perhaps, but if some newbie came in new to slack I would hold his hand [21:50] I spread the gospal of linux [21:50] Winblows sucks [21:50] STOP ERROR [21:50] blue screen of death [21:50] pirving: This is not a "hand hold" channel. [21:50] being a newbie does not equal being annoying. [21:50] its GNU/linux if you insist on using the word "gospel"...... [21:51] Would you quit spamming this channel? [21:51] If you need hand holding.. you need to RTFM more [21:51] apparently this channel has a topic [21:51] not to mention that zealotry doesn't buy you any extra brownie points [21:51] Action: godling gazes upon the visages available at slackwaregallery.org [21:51] nope.. just look at me [21:51] you arrogant bastards, I'm asking for help and you call me a lurker [21:51] :D [21:51] you people are ugly! [21:51] on a positive note, sam adams cherry wheat is actually very decent [21:51] Dominian: yo [21:51] Computer people, I swear.....you think you are god [21:52] ananke: Sam Adams is the bomb-diggity [21:52] Sam Adams=Best beer in the world [21:52] ananke: I haven't found one I dislike. [21:52] godling: same here [21:52] i think i am the devil [21:52] Action: pirving is a troll aparently [21:52] pirving: no.. we just maintain that a distro which is specifically bolted together for techies to like should be used but, uhm, techies, or at least people who want to *become* techies ;-) [21:53] s/but/by0 [21:53] s/but/by/ even [21:53] however, the "description" of slackware is pure unix oldest surviving distro [21:53] i got a case of octoberfest and a couple of mixed seasonal twelve packs yesterday for a cook out. still got about a case left [21:53] for newbies and techies alike [21:53] stuff that in your pipe and smoke it [21:53] bitch [21:53] well shit, i can't find any openradius stuff in my recent files, so maybe i made that up? [21:54] ananke: any respectable drunk would have that finished by now [21:54] mancha: I'll check it out [21:54] i think you forgot to read the channel guidelines :P [21:54] pirving: so it's clear that at this point you no longer seek help, it's just a pure bitch and whine fest [21:54] godling: i'm going to nurse it for a few days :) [21:54] Dominian: http://slackwaregallery.org/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=25 # You, sir, are CRAZY. [21:55] godling: so what else is new :P [21:55] all I'm asking for is help, you can say "Screw Pirving" or there are actually people who care and will help [21:55] apparently you aren't one of them [21:55] good day to you sir [21:55] pirving: at this point, you've burned the bridges [21:55] anti, my grep fu is turning up donuts, zip, zilch on this so either i am looking in the wrong place or i dreamt the chatter, if you don't find anything it was me imagining it [21:55] pirving (n=jd@67.244.247.75) left ##slackware ("Everyone hates me"). [21:55] Action: Reticenti grabs some popcorn [21:56] is anyone good at cmake? I can't understand it [21:56] firedix (n=firedix@host234.201-252-183.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [21:56] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:56] Action: godling prepares to imitate pirving [21:56] thrice`: dude!, it's awesome!!!!!! \o/ thanks thanks! [21:57] Nick change: a1g -> alex4 [21:57] deco: cool, I thought so too :) [21:57] godling: hehe [21:57] I have to climb that tower one more time [21:57] Hi I hate you all can anyone help me?! [21:57] you can set your username / password in ~/.config/pianobar/config, so that it'll auto-login [21:57] haha [21:57] god why does nobody like me?! [21:57] LOVE ME! [21:57] forget you [21:58] godling: why the h* :'-(((((( [21:58] h8 * [21:58] Reticenti: heh [21:58] Nick change: alex4 -> alex1 [21:59] thrice`: now firefox wont get so bloated :P [22:00] phillipsm (n=phillips@173-20-30-13.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [22:00] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:00] thrice`: what is rubbing you the wrong way with cmake? [22:00] Nick change: alex1 -> a1g [22:01] mmlj4: aww, I'm just kidding around ;P [22:01] does anyone know why no ldap server package exists? not even in slackbuilds? [22:01] godling: i saw that later... sorry [22:01] thrice`: you should just type "cmake" and it will crate Makefiles [22:01] an interesting case study in trust, qnap storage (net drives) provides full-disk encryption functionality. thankfully our blackhats have discovered that qnap places a backdoor key in flash [22:01] well, this app specifically calls "install (FILES pianobar.1 DESTINATION share/man/man1)" . I'd like to patch it to accept -DMAN_INSTALL_DIR instead of specifically point to share/man/man1 [22:01] thrice`: i belive the default target is CMakeLists.txt [22:02] needless to say, qnap has not officially responded to a request for an explanation for the backdoor [22:02] i00nsu (n=i00nsu@85.139.203.9) joined ##slackware. [22:02] hi guys [22:02] hello [22:02] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [22:02] thrice`: is that line from CMakeLists.txt? [22:02] yep [22:02] http://github.com/PromyLOPh/pianobar/blob/master/src/CMakeLists.txt [22:03] using the slackpkg tool and making slackpkg install-new i will get kde4? [22:03] i00nsu: what version of slackware are you on? [22:03] Nick change: a1g -> alex3 [22:03] 12.2 [22:03] then no [22:03] ;D [22:03] you need to upgrade to 13.0 to get kde4 [22:03] mmlj4: s'okay ^_^ [22:04] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:04] read the UPGRADE.TXT and CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT in the top level dir of slackware-13.0 [22:04] ... or better yet, backup and do a clean re-install [22:04] Dominian: I guess the gallery site isn't too popular, eh? [22:04] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:04] macavity: i am reading about upgrade 12.2 to 13 [22:04] godling: not much anymore [22:05] probably be gone sometime after the first of the year [22:05] Nick change: alex3 -> alex1 [22:05] the main point is to not get kde4 [22:05] i00nsu: follow the documantation i pointed you to very carefully [22:05] kd4 doesn't exist pre-13.0? [22:05] mmlj4: nope [22:05] cool [22:05] i00nsu: to NOT get kde4? [22:05] yes [22:05] Dominian: Nobody really wants to look at each other, I guess. [22:05] I i dont want it [22:05] heh [22:06] your loss [22:06] i ran that crap for a year, then punted [22:06] Nick change: alex1 -> a1g [22:06] it takes a little while to get used to, but once you get it, it is much much better than kde3 [22:06] DarkGable (n=ray@76.114.161.73) joined ##slackware. [22:06] not to mention that it is faster and uses less memory [22:06] s/nt/k/ [22:06] 4.0 and 4.1 sucked [22:06] I do like qt better than gtk [22:07] 4.2.4 is usable.. i will upgrade to 4.3.2 when it comes out [22:07] Action: macavity has used kde since 1.1.2 and has learned to never use a KDE product that ends in .0 or .1 [22:08] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:08] DarkGable (n=ray@76.114.161.73) left irc: Client Quit [22:08] I started on 1.x, a long decade ago [22:08] Action: fhobia has been defeated by hal [22:08] .[0-9] [22:08] fhobia: we all have [22:08] fhobia: it will fortunately go away eventually [22:08] macavity: do 3.x skins or themes exist? [22:09] hal is going away? [22:09] what will it be replaced with? [22:09] mmlj4: sure, they are part of the standard package [22:09] udev [22:09] policy kit [22:09] udev is going to start handling everything pretty much [22:09] libudev, policykit, devicekit [22:09] so not many programs are using hal yet? [22:09] yes, alot still do [22:09] are those three portable to other unices/unix clones? [22:09] macavity: nope [22:10] man.. that SUCKS [22:10] udev? I don't think so [22:10] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.179.140) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:10] no, that they are not portable [22:10] errordeveloper (n=errordev@217.171.129.67) joined ##slackware. [22:10] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:10] i dont want to leave our BSD breteren in the cold [22:10] I'm sure *kit will be, but the udev stuff will be tough [22:11] the BSD zealots would gladly piss on the graves of Linux users. [22:11] It's a rough crowd. :P [22:11] mshade (n=mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:11] I was under the impression that KDE 4 would do device munging in userspace # I caught a presentation by a project dev, years ago [22:11] I don't get it, but I'm not a nationalist. [22:11] but Xorg et al is not a GNU/Linux project [22:12] xorg hasn't started porting ANYTHING yet [22:12] it is *supposed* to be the de facto graphical system for all unices and clones [22:12] thought you needed udev for hal [22:12] thrice`: good :-) [22:12] let's face X.org sucks [22:12] *face it [22:12] yes, but until recently, udev didn't provide a library for devices [22:12] s/GNU\// && kill [22:12] mmlj4: what is your problem? [22:12] debian ne linux [22:13] hey, what kernel version does 13.0 use? [22:13] 2.6.29.6 [22:13] thanks [22:13] macavity: it seems the only ones that use that terminology are debian fanboys and RMS himself [22:13] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Halsectomy eg [22:13] np [22:13] so the new udev will work with it [22:13] i bored those talking crypto - i think. hrmm. [22:13] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [22:14] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:14] mmlj4: observe that debian is not on the FSF "endorsed distroes" list.. and that they belive that the GFDL is evil somehow [22:14] Action: godling notes that he does not see mancha and Quiznos in the same place at the same time [22:14] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:14] :O [22:14] don! [22:14] re [22:14] (386): after he passed out we removed everything electronic from his room, stuck in some old books and an ancient typewriter from goodwill. for 20 min. we had him convinced he'd drunk himself backward in time. [22:14] pig lol [22:15] hrm? now that's interesting [22:15] that is a good one, i got to remember that [22:15] macavity yea right [22:15] Pig_Pen: Someone would have to be really drunk. [22:15] or really insane already pre-* [22:15] and paranoid to begin with [22:15] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [22:15] or maybe have something extra with their alcohol [22:16] its a communist conspiracy! [22:16] it's a plot by the non-geeks!!! [22:16] OUR ROBOTS WILL DESTROY THEM [22:16] drinking was never part of the communist conspiracy.. it was their way if retaining sanity :P [22:16] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.65.128) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:17] all your robots are belong to us [22:17] macavity there's biblical support for that too [22:18] Action: godling supports Quiznos biblically. [22:18] heh [22:18] wow, you are in ##politics [22:18] had a good time fellowshiping with neighbor this evening [22:18] how can you handle all the spamming? [22:18] yea, i poke their noses [22:18] i ignore most of it, but there are a few there i enjoy engaging [22:19] and they me (so theyve said) [22:19] fellowshipping? so that's what you kids call it nowadays. [22:19] i believe em [22:19] lol [22:19] anyhow, good night [22:19] hardly [22:19] gn [22:19] later dog [22:19] nite [22:19] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "and yes, it IS called a GNU/Linux system" [22:19] hah, what a militant [22:19] him or me? [22:19] him [22:19] ah [22:19] re: GNU/Linux [22:20] ew [22:20] i'd like a deGNUded linux dist [22:20] elderK (n=zk@122-57-243-228.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [22:20] i need a non-gnu ld.so i think [22:20] is Slackware ever going to use PackageKit? [22:21] duno; wazit? [22:21] godling: no [22:21] hrm... FSF doesn't endorse any linux distro anyone's ever heard of [22:21] no, they just took over the linux kernel for their own [22:21] well i hope tomorow here will be ok ... the slackpkg upgrade-all present me the list of all packages. so i remove kde* [22:21] bc the hurd dont work yet [22:21] Quiznos: it's an abstracted cross-distro package manager [22:21] ok [22:22] I was looking through *Kit on Wikipedia [22:22] i have replacements for most of the tools needed for dev [22:22] though I do run GNU/Debian on a couple of servers... [22:22] there's that "gnu" prefix again [22:22] Quiznos: with sarcasm :-) [22:22] with feeling ;) [22:22] heh [22:22] tiny violin? [22:22] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:23] Action: Quiznos slaps a hammy on toastytoast with a schmear [22:23] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:23] man, nobody likes rms [22:23] hey - this is the 21st century - electronic art :) [22:23] godling how dare you; it's ~rms [22:23] I'm so hating debian... what a horrible mistake that was [22:23] lol [22:23] unfortunately, 99.99% of our servers are debian [22:23] pirving (n=jd@67.244.247.75) joined ##slackware. [22:23] mmlj4: I always get mad at Debian everytime I use it. [22:23] but honestly I can't think of a distro or *bsd I'm really happy with [22:23] but I have a Debian shirt. [22:24] ok, screw mp3...now I'm d/l ffmpeg from slackbuilds.org how do I pass variables to the script? [22:24] I've got a Slackware logo on the top of my mortar board [22:24] pirving: which variables? [22:24] trying to convert mp3 to WAV [22:24] various ones LAME=NO [22:24] ken you at work yet? [22:24] FAAD=No [22:24] FAAC=No [22:25] X264=no [22:25] pirving: define them on the same line before you call the script - "FAAC=NO X264=NO