[00:00] hah [00:00] well it sure didnt work over a vnc on an lcd [00:00] was ok on an lcd directly [00:02] i can only see it now that you've said what the number was... is tritanopia a combination of color blindness and cognitive suggestion? [00:03] just means your short-wavelength cones suck [00:03] hey! [00:03] easy there [00:04] don't pick on my short cones! [00:04] don't shoot me, i'm just the messenger [00:04] heh [00:05] my eyes have never worked right; i remember being in a car accident once, and my life flashed before my eyes, and it was someone else [00:05] should probably contact your optometrist [00:06] i wear my glasses to bed so i can dream in 20/20 [00:06] okay, i'm not much of a stickler about these things, but that was sort of funny... i expected at least a chuckle [00:06] lol@mancha [00:06] that was funny [00:07] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [00:07] jdetring (~jay@adsl-70-234-160-61.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [00:07] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.2.49.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [00:07] so which color are you blind to if you didn't see the number? [00:07] blue? green? [00:07] gm152 (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [00:08] jdetring (~jay@70.234.160.61) joined ##slackware. [00:09] trouble distinguishing colors in the blue-yellow part of the spectrum [00:09] i.e. they all look the sameish [00:09] http://colorvisiontesting.com/online%20test.htm [00:11] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-86-8.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:12] good evening everyone [00:12] hey mfillpot [00:12] kosty (~kosty@c-24-99-134-60.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:14] imroot (~imroot@201.86.172.223.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:14] so, what's up with CVE-2010-3081? [00:14] does it affect slackware64? [00:14] 13.1? [00:15] no 32bit emulation in the kernel the there's no problem? [00:16] xxcv, that is what I was thinking since slackware 64-bit is pure and does not use the compatibility mode [00:16] if slack64 supports 32 bit elf then it is vulnerable [00:16] mancha, do you mean if someone is using alienBob's 32bit compatibility packages? [00:17] no, i mean if the kernel has the compat layer [00:17] last time i tried to run some one's 32 bit binary but the slackware64 13.1 refused to run the 32bit... does this mean that the kernel have 32bit emulation disabled in the slackware64 13.1 by default therefore it should be perfectly safe from this vulnerability [00:17] ? [00:18] and are the reports right that this is a local escalation issue only? [00:18] mfill, check if compatibility mode is enabled. [00:18] mancha, I don't know how to do that? [00:19] gcc -m32 helloworld.c ? [00:19] the run helloworld? [00:19] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [00:20] MY ROOM IS REALLY A OROM NOW. :D [00:23] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-141.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [00:23] mancha, how would I check if it is enabled in the current running kernel? [00:23] I am checking the web and have not found any directions yet [00:25] mfillpot, try checking config files in boot [00:25] the config file* [00:25] shonudo, I checked the file, but could not figure out exactly what to look for [00:25] yeah the slackware64 13.1 can't even compile in 32bit /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory [00:26] should be safe i think. [00:26] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. 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[00:31] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.2.49.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:31] mfillpot, it is standard, most (if not all) distrib-level 64 bit kernels ship with 32 bit compat on [00:32] mancha, Then it is time to reconfigure my kernel, I always put that off [00:33] i wouldn't reconfigure the kernel [00:33] I still need to do it where everything workds, now is as good a time as any [00:33] if you're going to compile it at all just upgrade to the latest version on your branch, upstream already plugged the hole [00:33] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:36] mancha, so 13.1 should be good? [00:36] Is there a way to measure if your room can handle all this weight? D: [00:36] A ? for those who own a houe. [00:36] MarkT- (1000@S010600248c3ee38b.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:36] mfillpot, no, 13.1 came out before the kernel was patched upstream [00:37] I found a problem with a package on slackbuilds.org [00:38] MarkT-: say what it is in #slackbuilds [00:40] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-141.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:42] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [00:42] Also I have... a bow here. [00:42] Does anyone know how to shoot bow and arrows? [00:43] not that hard - just be carefull of the arm hodling the bow since the string can do something when it slaps the forearm after releaseing the arrow [00:43] Aye [00:44] Hm.. [00:44] alisonken1lap: Yeah, I went though half a semester holding my arm wrong. [00:44] Had to stop wearing the arm guard, cause it was making the bruises worse [00:44] This was on a recurve, not a compound [00:45] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-86-8.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:45] A compound bow'll skin your arm if you aren't careful. [00:45] yep [00:46] I need to get back into archery. It's so fun and relaxing. [00:47] ninja|rhisa: if you want to shoot a bow and arrow, try putting the bow and arrows up againt a wall, grab a good shotgun loaded with birdshot, point the shotgun at the wall, close your eyes, and pull the trigger... [00:47] you're bound to shoot the bow and arrows [00:47] Unless you miss. [00:47] if you miss with birdshot... [00:47] nevermind [00:47] if you miss, we're all safe [00:47] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-86-8.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:47] shouldn't lspci pick up anything that's plugged in ? [00:48] If it's PCI (AFAIK) [00:48] device = 'DGE-530T V.B1 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev 11)' [00:48] freebsd, picked up. linux, negative. [00:49] jeev, driver issue? [00:49] device sk # SysKonnect SK-984x & SK-982x gigabit Ethernet [00:49] i've tried both sky2 and skge or wahtever it was. [00:49] it aint that important right now, since i put it back on freebsd but maybe by tuesday i'd like to migrate routing somewhere over to linux from freebsd.. [00:49] i've got mysql and stuff to move over, couldn't finish up today [00:50] shonudo, <3 [00:50] lol [00:50] MarkT- (1000@S010600248c3ee38b.vs.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [00:58] dimmerbold (dimbold@stealth.kirenet.com) joined ##slackware. [00:58] dimmerbold (dimbold@stealth.kirenet.com) left ##slackware. [00:59] Wow. [00:59] I feel... [00:59] Free. [00:59] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [00:59] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:59] dimmerbold (dimbold@stealth.kirenet.com) joined ##slackware. [01:00] Makes me sad how they handle the garbages though. [01:02] TriniTuX (~chatzilla@186.45.25.43) joined ##slackware. [01:02] Feel free? So you are going commando? that's really TMI. [01:02] Ever think they'll use garbage for energy? [01:02] FriedBob, x) [01:03] TriniTuX (chatzilla@186.45.25.43) left ##slackware. [01:03] They should compress it, then send it into space, on a collision course w/ the sun. [01:04] Or the nearest black hole. [01:05] asarch (~asarch@187.132.140.102) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:05] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-154-146.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:05] MarkT- share the problem with the package on here so others know [01:05] heya folks [01:05] hey MLanden [01:06] heya shonudo [01:06] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:06] monday morning for you, no? [01:06] It just became Monday here. [01:06] I can feel the life draining out already [01:06] yeah,shonudo..it is by an hour [01:06] Too much garbage... [01:07] my mondays are long enough, i try not to start them on time [01:07] Why do you guys pick jobs you hate? ?:( [01:07] i love my job [01:07] just hate mondays [01:07] ninja|rhisa: I don't. I'm currently unemployed. [01:07] I just hate Mondays. [01:07] And Thursdays. Still don't have the hang of those. [01:07] i've not studied this in depth but it seems that i spend about 1/7 of my life on Mondays [01:08] the math sounds right [01:08] There was a time when the Soviets tried to switch to a 10 day week. [01:08] It did NOT go well at all. [01:09] I love life as long as I don't have responsibility. [01:10] funny, you'd think most people would love working only 3 weeks out of every month; should have been a hit [01:10] Enjoy it while you can. You'll have to grow up eventually [01:10] shonudo: Oddly, it caused all sorts of mental problems and decreased productivty and such [01:10] I'm 23. [01:10] :) [01:10] Ill get my PhD. [01:11] And I'll be a teacher, still not a lot of responsibilities. [01:11] i wonder if 4/3 would be more productive [01:11] With an attitude like that, I am not sure if I would want my kids in a school where you taught. [01:11] Teaching is a huge responsibility. [01:11] It's not hard teaching willing kids in college. [01:11] :| [01:15] That is a little different from teaching grade school, and while it may be easier, it is still a large responsibility. [01:15] Also guys. [01:15] free of CVE-2010-3081 exploit still fingers crossed [01:15] My NYC recycling center said this - "With the exception of rechargeable batteries, it is legal for nyc residents to discard electronics in the trash until the year 2015." [01:15] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:15] That means I can't recycle my electronics. [01:16] but if the garbage pickup is delayed, you're screwed [01:16] Isn't it NYC that the people recycle, but the city just dumps it all in the same landfill? [01:16] But then it says recycling electronics help but sticks to so oon cell phone and reuse / manufacturer take back program. [01:16] FriedBob, I dunno.. [01:16] shonudo, why do you say that? It'll get picked up the next day. [01:17] a good garbage strike could last past 2015 [01:17] I heard about one place like that a while back. The people corted and did all for recycling, but the trash service / city didn't. [01:17] bad joke; nevermind... thought that was going to go somewhere [01:17] it didn't [01:18] shonudo, :x [01:18] shonudo: Don't feel bad, most of my jokes wind up that way as well. [01:18] heh [01:18] hbo's boardwalk empire looks like it's going to be pretty good [01:18] just watched the premier [01:18] e [01:18] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [01:18] premiere* [01:19] I don't like gangster movies. [01:19] Or most crime movies. [01:19] I'm just now getting started on Dexter. [01:19] But I am gonna have to rewatch Scarface and The Godfather soon. [01:20] And also American Gangster too, that one was really good. [01:20] I wanna watch.. an updated version of Elegant Universe. [01:20] I need to watch the program they have on PBS about China becoming an economic hegemony. I can't wait too. [01:20] They'll show lifestyle of all the Chinese cities. I wanna go to China and visit the newer areas. [01:22] I want to watch the Thunderbirds again. I got to see them over the weekend, but the show was cut short due to a storm moving in. [01:22] Yea it turns out I have to throw the comptuer spare parts the old fashion way unless it's a battery or something. [01:24] Look! [01:24] http://photowebs.blogspot.com/2006/03/do-not-throw-away-old-pc.html [01:25] Oh my God look at this picture - http://www.instructables.com/id/Things-to-do-with-a-old-computer/ [01:25] there you go; that kind of thinking will get you into MoMA [01:26] MoMA? [01:26] museum of modern art? [01:26] lol [01:26] Oh. [01:26] kick-ass coffee maker [01:26] indeed [01:26] lol [01:27] nice follow-up zinger too [01:27] lmao [01:27] lol [01:27] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Quit: KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ [01:28] complete with those cup holders(cdrom trays) that folks like so well..:) [01:28] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-59-181.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:28] ninja|rhisa: are you taking notes on this... [01:28] I used to have an actual cup holder in my PC. [01:28] x) No. [01:28] W/ a cigarrette lighter. [01:28] i had one of those... [01:28] Sadly, it did break. I need to resolder some wires on it [01:29] it was called a buick [01:29] And fix the release mechanism. [01:29] shonudo: This was in my PC. I bought it for $6 from I think Geeks.com years ago. [01:29] mrcarrot (~lasse@86-60-154-229-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) joined ##slackware. [01:29] It goes in one of the 5.25" external bays. [01:30] oh brother [01:31] Once it started to mess up (wouldn't stay closed), I really, really wanted to call campus tech support about my broken cupholder. [01:32] here @ FriedBob > http://www.xoxide.com/xray1.html [01:32] same thing but thermaltake branded =p [01:33] One of the wires on mine broke also. :( [01:33] other probably have it also [01:33] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [01:33] thermaltake... that's a good brand... i'll be the cigarettes don't overheat [01:33] there's a market for anything it seems [01:33] Oh man.. [01:33] OCD is kicking in again. [01:33] actualy there's reviews on it, of the lighter poping and flying clear out [01:33] lol [01:34] lol [01:34] I don't feel like doing shit but I have to, OCD makes me do things. Like go downstairs and clean. [01:34] come here and clean! [01:34] linux_probe, where do you live? [01:34] infact, 2 floors and basmeent' [01:34] garage too:)) [01:34] i cannot gte myself to clean >_> [01:35] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-86-8.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:35] i try and try, but flame, nor cattle-prod works =p [01:36] AFk a bit, this song needs to be played at 11. (Black Sabbath - Iron Man) [01:37] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [01:37] the album was "Paranoid", iirc [01:37] and i'm embarrassed that i recall at all [01:37] Nothing to be ashamed of. [01:37] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-86-8.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:37] This is actually from Reunion (Live) that I am listening to ATM [01:38] depends; i'm not embarrassed about being old enough to remember, i'm embarrassed that i remember anything about that pos band [01:38] Old school Sabbath rocks. [01:39] you guys are weiners, you should listen to classical. [01:39] jeev: I do. [01:39] i dont remember mozart playing "old school sabbath" [01:39] i'm fearing the risk of incompatibility of a partition ext4 that's shared by 32-bit kernel in one boot, and 64-bit kernel in another boot. Is there any risk? [01:40] shouldn't be, eldragon [01:40] eldragon, I have had no issues with that [01:40] eldragon, no reason to? [01:40] it's just a filesystem [01:40] Yeah, I can't see why it'd matter. [01:40] ext4 managed by 32-bit kernel compatible with ext4 managed by 64-bit kernel? [01:41] I love how zapster always whines about the rich people getting unfair special treatment, and all she can do is prove her own fraud by being tickled that she is getting special treatment here in the channel. [01:41] it should be, eldragon [01:41] sorry [01:41] thanks [01:41] like jeev said, it's just a fs [01:41] troy (~troy@dsl-69-172-83-180.acanac.net) joined ##slackware. [01:41] briareus (briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left ##slackware. [01:41] brianw? who's zapster [01:41] gay [01:41] socialize ##slackware and give everyone ops [01:42] Would that be socialism or anarchy? [01:42] with me in the mix? anarchy [01:43] briareus wrong channel. [01:44] jeev: BTW, I listen to just about everything, often in the same playlist. I have a few on Pandora that will go from Pantera to Bach, then to Bocephus and back to Mozart. :) [01:44] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:44] FriedBob, i cant have anyone choose music for me. [01:44] i'll blast the same song 40 times [01:44] My wife is that way, esp when she is trying to learn a song [01:45] i'm off; gn MLanden, jgeboski (wherever you are); gn all [01:45] night shonudo [01:47] hi guys i install mysql server and im able to login with it but the problem is i get this when i run on a script ------>http://pastebin.com/4jitqmCB [01:47] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-176.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:48] jeev: [01:48] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt3-port-88.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [01:48] ruben23, I think you setup the httpd incorrectly. IN any case you can definitely ask in #mysql. [01:49] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-86-8.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:53] deco deco [01:53] jeev: you still use slackware on your servers ? [01:54] yea why not [01:54] ruben23, you should make sure mysqld is running. [01:54] k [01:54] jeev: but freebsd runs on must of them right ? [01:54] deco, what are you trying to build? my network map ? [01:55] jeev: ;-) [01:55] lol [01:57] next, ask me.. 'what brand do you use for the surge protectors that cycle and cut off power for the older servers' [01:57] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:57] john_dee (~id@95-29-14-234.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:58] jeev: APC! ;) [02:00] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:01] anyone up for a potentially long winded & thought provoking shell scripting questions? [02:02] Probably not, but go for it. [02:02] I'm revisiting a script of mine that fires off 20 invocations of inotifywait. 19 of them are nested in a loop & backgrounded [02:02] iceheart (~nihao@121.229.80.20) joined ##slackware. [02:02] as you can imagine that causes an insane load on lower powered machines [02:02] Aye [02:03] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:03] kindly consult 'man ps' then '/PROCESS STATE CODES' to get the the point of interest [02:03] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:04] after several hours of experimenting, I've put a delay loop after each invocation [02:05] basically, if the just-invoked iteration of inotifywait isn't state 'S', loop sleeping for 0.1s until it is 'S' [02:06] during my tests here, the only states I've seen are D/R/S, but I'm curious if I should expand things to cover all the possibilities [02:08] I'd hate for the master loop to get wedged because of, say, one of the invocations of inotifywait somehow got stopped via job control (dunno how that'd even happen, though) [02:09] Let's take an audit approach. What is the likelihood of that happening? And how bad would it hose the script? [02:09] And how much would it take to add in the extra cases? [02:09] technically non-zero & it'd cause the delay loop to spin indefinitely, respectively [02:10] ferdna (~yup@cpe-24-92-114-97.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [02:10] Ok. And how hard would it be to add in the checks for stoppage or other rogue states? [02:11] looking into that right now, actually [02:12] If it would be fairly trivial, then I'd do it. Otherwise, it would depend on just how much of a chance there is on this event happening, and if that risk is worth the 'cost' of adding the extra in. [02:12] It may be enough to add a check for that spin cycle and then kill and restart or something like that. [02:13] it's for automated slackware mirror maintenance, so the 'cost' would be not processing updates (among other things) [02:13] Add a counter and if it goes X times w/o firing have it do some recovery [02:17] There are probably a few different ways it can be addressed, each with a different time/effort cost. [02:17] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D57DF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:18] I can't help much with that part. I haven't done shell scripting in years. I just audit and fix things nowadays. [02:21] hmm.. I may have found something useful. provided I can figure out how to use it [02:22] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [02:22] bash string comparisons '==' & '!=' are the tried & true tests. I just tripped over '=~' in the manpage [02:23] what's that one do? almost equal to? [02:23] john_dee (~id@95-29-14-234.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:23] kinda long winded. simpler to hit the manpage. in essence, it treats one of the comparands as a regex [02:24] that can be quite useful. [02:24] if I can figure out the syntax to use it, yeah :) [02:24] Closest thing I have to a Linux box right now is my Powerbook, sadly. [02:24] heathen! [02:24] j/k [02:25] Hardware issues, anda wife who doesn't want me to have a million old parts laying around [02:27] cr4ck` (~unknown@189.31.165.48) joined ##slackware. [02:27] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.29.212) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:28] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.29.212) joined ##slackware. [02:28] ninja|rhisa (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) left irc: Quit: ninja|rhisa [02:29] cr4ck (~unknown@189.31.165.48) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:31] jdetring (~jay@70.234.160.61) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:39] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-22.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. 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[02:46] Almost 0200 here. :( [02:46] almost 03:00 here :) [02:47] I have to get up early and fill out a lot of job apps. :/ [02:47] short version of the solution.. change this: [02:48] while [ "$(funky compound command that checks process state)" != "S" ] ; do [02:48] to this [02:48] if [[ $(funky compound command that checks process state) =~ [DRTWX] ]] ; then [02:49] um. change if/then to while/do on the 2nd line above. that was a boo-boo from cut'n'paste [02:49] :) [02:50] so it now looks like I have what I was after. extra idiot proofing [02:50] Cool [02:50] Night [02:50] rather than checking that inotifywait is _not_ sleeping, I check for all other states in 1 swipe [02:50] hasta [02:51] rrs_ (~rrs@92.125.217.32) joined ##slackware. [02:51] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:01] rhisa (~rhisa@ool-457ab193.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [03:01] rhisa (~rhisa@ool-457ab193.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Changing host [03:01] rhisa (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) joined ##slackware. [03:06] epapi (~epapi@outgoing.txt.it) joined ##slackware. [03:13] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) joined ##slackware. [03:16] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:16] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-22.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:18] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt3-port-88.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:18] already 9:14am here [03:19] where are you from? [03:19] france [03:20] adrien:i'm guessed it:) [03:20] adrien, my SO is in France too. [03:20] Buggaboo (~Buggaboo@535316B2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:21] rhisa: what is SO? [03:23] significant other [03:24] mrcarrot: someone like his mother? [03:24] :) [03:24] ask him [03:25] ruben23 (~RLACUMBA@121.97.111.142) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:25] Significant othre means wife or husband or boyfriend or girlfriend. Depends on context. you marry your SO eventually. [03:25] Or sometimes they go "my other half". [03:27] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:27] rhisa: i see. [03:28] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [03:28] ah... [03:28] (might be me xD ) [03:29] rhisa: i'm very pleasure, i always learn new here:) [03:30] "pleased" [03:30] I have to teach my SO English too. :X [03:30] Which I enjoy. [03:30] iceheart how do you get free irc access, you are not firewalled by your government? [03:31] rhisa: i wrong again:( [03:31] mancha, ?? [03:31] iceheart, hehe. [03:31] mancha: maybe no, i connect directory. [03:32] but in general the govt does restrict access so why are you able to go directly? [03:32] where are you from mancha too? [03:32] mancha, he's from France, how do they restrict IRC? [03:33] maybe filtered and monitored but not blocked [03:33] rhisa: not me! [03:33] rhisa: i form china [03:33] OOOH! [03:33] I completely mistaken the two. Okay. iceheart wo ye shi zhongguo ren. [03:34] ni na bian? [03:34] rhisa: how could it be! [03:34] Of course it could be. :] [03:34] rhisa: wo xian zai zai nan jing. [03:34] nan jing? waah, za bu za? [03:35] rhisa: ni zai na? [03:35] wo ba zai guang dong [03:35] mei guo [03:36] rhisa: liu xue? [03:36] Bu. [03:36] Wo zui de zei bian. [03:36] Dui bu chi, zu guo wo de zhongwen xue de bu hao! :D [03:36] mancha, btw it's not that bad in China. [03:36] Don't let the media fool you. [03:36] that's a lot of really short words [03:36] rhisa: quiet good. [03:36] ni hao! [03:36] surrounder, you combine the words, they are not individual words. [03:37] ah [03:37] Ever done Arabic? [03:37] no [03:37] A lot of people mistaken the silence as stop, whereas it's actually a glottal, thus forming a word (or letter, depending on context). [03:37] ni lei zhei bian gei ma? [03:38] rhisa: do you know surrounder ? [03:38] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:39] rhisa: you should say like "ni lai zhe bian gan ma?". [03:39] Ah dui dui. [03:39] x) No I don't know him. [03:39] delt0r___ (~delt0r@188-22-169-94.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:39] I only know a few people here and I trust them. [03:39] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [03:39] rhisa: me too:) [03:39] iceheart, wo zai zhe bian xian bong Taiwan ren, wo shi Taiwan lai de [03:40] bong = bang [03:40] Na shi hou hai yi wei, wo jiu ai zhe yi bian. Mei you ni de mei yi tian, kuai le li wo hao yao yuan [03:40] delt0r___ (~delt0r@188-22-175-93.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [03:40] mancha, you speak Mandarin too? [03:40] rhisa: nice to meet you! [03:40] mancha, what you said is actually confusing. [03:40] lol [03:41] For one, what's "hou hai yi wei"? [03:41] Don't have me, don't have today? Also the last statement didn't match up quite. [03:41] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [03:42] mancha: what you said make confused [03:42] Ya. [03:42] mancha, make sure it's not Cantonese. [03:42] BIGGGGGG difference. [03:42] Cantonese is considerably useless. [03:43] Zhe ge shi jie bian hua de tai kuai wo yao zen me hua chu wei lai [03:44] rhisa: what is Cantonese? [03:44] I understand a few bits here and there mancha but it still doesn't make snese to me. :| [03:44] iceheart, guang dong hua. [03:44] What's kuai? [03:45] rhisa: maybe fast? [03:45] quickly [03:45] mancha, ah but it still doesn't make sense to me. :( [03:46] mancha, where did you learn Mandarin? [03:46] if i tell you i must kill you! [03:46] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [03:46] mancha: where are you from? [03:47] mancha: why? [03:48] iceheart, wo zai tai, ta de zhongwen bu shi hen hao [03:48] lol [03:49] rhisa: i sound like Japanese [03:50] iceheart, really? [03:50] rhisa: yes, in my memory only japanese said so [03:51] Do you know Japanese? [03:51] rhisa: you could so like "ta zhong wen bu shi hen hao" [03:51] rhisa: form movie:) [03:52] rhisa: and what's mean "wo zai tai"? [03:52] Oooh. [03:52] I guess. [03:52] wo zai tai = I guess. [03:52] Or I am guessing, more properly. [03:53] rhisa: i know you, say so "wo cai". [03:53] Ooh. [03:54] rhisa: so you could say " iceheart, wo cai ta de zhong wen bu shi hen hao" [03:54] en [03:54] wo cai ta de zhong wen bu shi hen hao [03:54] rhisa: good! [03:54] ni na bian shu fu ma? wo ting shuo zai zhong guo shian zai bian le hen duo [03:54] yi chian zhong guo hen huai [03:57] rhisa: guang dong is hot, i guess. but i'm at east middle of china, so not. it has been Autumn [03:58] Ooh., [03:58] Ya as usual. [03:59] rhisa: does any wrong in the sentence? [03:59] No, you are fine so far. [04:00] rhisa: it's hard to control "at":) [04:00] :o [04:01] rhisa: sometime it's on, sometime it's in or at. i need to say sorry to my English teacher:) [04:02] Haha, I can teach you. :) [04:02] DO you have skype? [04:02] I go on tomorrow for you if you want. [04:03] rhisa: my skype don't have money, and tomorrow i need to work:( [04:03] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:03] rhisa: next time, ok? i'll fill my skype. [04:03] Sure, you don't have to. [04:04] rhisa: ha.. [04:04] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [04:05] rhisa: see you late! [04:06] BYe. [04:06] I'm surprised there weren't a lot of anti-Chinese people here. Could be that they are asleep! :) [04:07] omg! [04:07] *stab*stab*stab* [04:07] better? :) [04:07] Action: rhisa cries. [04:07] Action: rhisa looks for help for stab wounds. [04:09] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [04:11] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [04:15] quit [04:15] iceheart (~nihao@121.229.80.20) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:16] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [04:17] rhisa: why anti chinese ? [04:17] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [04:18] surrounder, You'd be very surprised. Racism, fear of war (understandable), fear of yellow skin (they did the same scare with the Japanese in the 90s, eventually the fear just blew up and lead to two nukes), fear of being replaced (China has a big chance of replacing US), etc. [04:18] Lots of reasons really. [04:18] I debate with a lot of people so I've heard lal the reasons - www.lulzbrigade.com, you'll see a lot of my post (of repost really, from forums) on the issue of China. [04:18] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:19] Military experts are also pissed that China spends 1/4 of US (or about what Britain spends) and is catching up. Also China is controlling a lot of rare earth which gives her a lot of economic boosts. Then China's opening up and listening to the people (and actually delivering on it) makes China a very likely superpower in the coming century. [04:19] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.58.11) joined ##slackware. [04:21] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.18.192) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [04:21] rhisa: so jealousy mainly ? [04:22] surrounder, probably. I've been told that's one. [04:22] Morn [04:22] Morning Zordrak. [04:22] surrounder, but I don't like to use emotion and say that's guiding the entire national policy for US. [04:23] heya Zordrak [04:24] dngr (~dngr@119.237.152.156) joined ##slackware. [04:24] ffelix (phelix@ditto.arpa.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:24] But it's still in my interest to see US do well. [04:24] Just too many people underestimate China. [04:24] "Ah the Chinese are poor". [04:24] lol hell no. The Chinese are not poor, esp not now. [04:24] Have you folks seen their health care? Their train service? Their school? etc [04:25] All the major US companies are going there and giving them jobs. We're losing jobs, etc. [04:25] dngr- (~dngr@119.237.152.156) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:25] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [04:25] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Changing host [04:25] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [04:25] I know tons of people who are college graduates and can't find jobs, my relatives included. [04:25] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:27] gbonvehi (1000@200.69.244.1) joined ##slackware. [04:29] Mowah (~Mowah@c-078ae555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [04:29] The US is scared of communism. Period. [04:29] Zordrak, hmm not sure, since China is no longer communist, only in name., [04:30] Zordrak, and US being scared of communism is a fear game played by the MIC. [04:30] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:30] Don't fall for it. [04:32] rhisa, the wealthy chinese aren't poor but the income discrepancy is enormous between the top and bottom [04:32] hiptobecubic, I know. [04:32] hiptobecubic, but that's changing. [04:33] In the 90s and late 80s, China pulled over 300,000,000 out of poverty. [04:33] rhisa, very slowly perhaps [04:33] That's the entire US population. [04:33] hiptobecubic, that's very relative. [04:33] man dump <-- why isn't it for ext4 ? [04:33] rhisa, of course. Everything is relative. But "out of poverty" is also relative [04:33] eldragon, wat? [04:33] hiptobecubic, you said speed. 300,000,000 out of poverty is amazingly fast to me. [04:34] rhisa, and now i'm saying that 'out of poverty' is not a number. [04:34] rhisa, U.S. has it's own sovereignty border, external communism doesn't affect U.S. [04:34] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:34] rhisa: As far as the general US population is concerned (present company excepted) anything that isn't democracy is communism [04:35] Whoa whoa, one at a time please. [04:35] eldragon + Zordrak I don't think I'm saying contrary to what is just said by you two. [04:35] Zordrak, also yea I noticed that mentality, big time. [04:35] hiptobecubic, it can be quantified though. [04:36] rhisa: discussion != argument :) [04:36] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host81-159-254-106.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:36] Zordrak, I was just being on my guard. :D I apologize. [04:37] rhisa, sure. so can "very slowly". I think you'll find that 'not impoverished' people in china might still qualify as 'poor' by US standards. [04:37] U.S. is mentally ill because U.S. wanted all the planet [04:37] hiptobecubic, so how do you want to define this? Because now we're getting very close to playing semantics. [04:38] Fact of the matter is, the poor people in China never had a car, house, job, etc, now? They have a house, car, job, etc. [04:38] In fact, many "xiao huang di" are popping up all over the damn place. [04:38] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:38] eldragon, I love US, I say it's more self interest and the ability to do so, that lets her do what she does today. That is, "we saved the world from the two evils, now let us protect you". Ultimately it became the very evil it wanted to fight off. [04:39] I go to school in US and grew up here, I want to see US do well! Go US, I believe in you! [04:39] Bah.. scewem [04:39] xD [04:39] U.S. is evil by default. [04:40] *screwem [04:40] eldragon, aww, why? :)( [04:40] :( [04:40] because once that U.S. gets entire control of the planet, U.S. can become evil for an invasion. [04:41] a total invasion bigger than Afghanistan and Iraq! [04:41] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-166-177-190.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [04:42] Hm. [04:42] eldragon, have you ever read reports by the CFR? [04:42] That is, have you ever read anything on / from CFR? [04:42] no, i didn't [04:43] You should, very interesting stuff. [04:44] once US gets entire control? lol [04:44] madbear, ah he's just messing around. [04:44] I hope. [04:44] korven (~korv@h-36-48.A204.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [04:45] well their control will never be the same [04:45] morning folks [04:45] Morning korven. [04:45] rrs_ (~rrs@92.125.217.32) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:46] nazis just got 6% of the swedish votes [04:47] o.o [04:47] What? [04:47] still swe take cares of alot of immigrants/war fugitives? :S [04:47] fyi, they are neither racists or nazis, but people can think whatever for what i care [04:48] i voted pirateparty :D [04:48] prio 1 question for me, integrity and filesharing ;) [04:49] vasted vote [04:49] wasted [04:49] anyhow.. [04:50] i updated a record in named/my.zone and gave the command rc.bind restart, but bind isnt resolving my domain [04:50] what newbthing am i missing? [04:50] I will just say I hate bind. ;-; [04:50] me too :) [04:50] but hateing wont helpt :p [04:50] -t [04:51] Is it possible to show your whole script? [04:51] rc.bind? [04:52] Yeah. [04:52] Is it the same as mine? [04:52] even i dont know how it looks [04:52] You can open it up. [04:52] hold on [04:52] Cause if it's the same as mine don't worry. I'll look there. [04:52] its the slackware 10.2 default i think [04:53] I'm not using that so I don't know, sorry. [04:53] bind 9.4.3 [04:53] rrs_ (~rrs@92.125.217.32) joined ##slackware. [04:54] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [04:55] http://www.c00re.se/slask/rc.bind [04:55] not that i think the fault is there [04:57] rrs_ (~rrs@92.125.217.32) left irc: Client Quit [04:57] madbear: nazi's in sweden? or just rightwing? [04:58] hm.. change the serial in the zone file or will that mess things up? [04:58] Sverigedemokraterna (in swedish) [04:58] madbear: the leftwing media/policital parties compare one rightwing party here with nazi's too [04:59] surrounder: well they have roots in nazi "clubs" ? :D [04:59] they dont call them nazis, they call them racists [04:59] korven: i know a dude i went to school with for example [04:59] you could vote for him and he is for sure nazi [04:59] there are a small difference there [05:00] im voting for the parties, not a single person [05:00] we have a party here who's tough on Islam, they're compared with the nazi's here and I think that's bullcrap [05:00] but please, can we keep this channel ontopic? [05:00] yay for slackware! [05:01] yay! [05:01] yay! [05:01] och allt är gott, korven :) [05:01] japp :) [05:02] all good, its a beatiful day [05:02] :p [05:02] yeah, glad the summer's about to end [05:02] ;-; [05:02] all fed up with the heath [05:02] I'm Muslim. [05:02] Will I get my butt spanked? [05:02] yes [05:02] no, why ? [05:03] surrounder, see madbear. [05:03] no ofc not [05:03] you got that cool beard too? [05:03] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [05:03] :D [05:03] lol [05:03] No. [05:03] Action: mrcarrot wishes it would become summer again... the winter is almost the only thing that would get me to move away from here [05:03] if u pay for spanking, u will get spanking [05:03] john_dee (~id@95-29-14-234.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:04] in finland the winter is just dark and boring... and cold [05:04] as here in swe [05:04] yeah [05:04] I really want to visit Finland some day [05:04] dark when i go to work... and dark again when i am coming home [05:04] would've went this year if I didn't had a financial setback [05:05] lucky we have alcohol and santa claus on the border [05:05] hehe [05:05] makes up for the cold winter nights [05:06] korven: you can even manage with swedish at most places in finland [05:06] everybody has to learn swedish here [05:06] some learn it pretty well, other are barely passing [05:08] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:08] Hm. [05:08] depends where in finland tho? [05:08] where they have to learn it or not [05:09] no, it is compulsory everywhere... but in the middle of finland they do not learn it that well [05:09] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [05:09] ok [05:10] but in most stores in ĺbo and helsingfors, you can talk swedish... it might be that they pass you over to another one serving you but most of the time you get service in swedish [05:10] at least in any bigger store [05:11] Is there a statue of Linus Torvald in Finland? [05:11] rhisa: not as i know... [05:11] I know he's a national hero there. [05:11] Linus Torvalds is a swedish speaking finn [05:12] i would not say that he is considered as a hero... at least not yet [05:12] but who knows after he dies [05:12] http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-6135276-7.html [05:12] He's a hero. [05:13] he is for those using linux... but for the normal people not [05:13] Hm. [05:13] He made it to the Times Magazine so he's a hero. [05:14] of course linux users from finland are proud of linus... [05:14] now i really have to get some work done [05:14] You don't seem to want him to be a hero and you're from Finland. I wonder what's your stake in this. [05:14] otherwise i loose the whole day [05:15] i see him as some kind of hero, without him we would not have as much open source software as we have. he got the real ball the roll by releasing his kernel with gpl [05:15] but seems then many other have been contributing a lot too [05:16] mrcarrot: hurd!!! [05:16] :D [05:16] he is not the only one, but the one that got it to start [05:16] madbear: lol [05:16] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:16] Hm. [05:17] well, now i really have to go [05:17] gl mrcarrot [05:17] Take care. [05:17] thanks [05:17] bye [05:17] mrcarrot (lasse@86-60-154-229-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) left ##slackware. [05:18] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [05:19] epapi (~epapi@outgoing.txt.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:20] Alright. [05:20] I know my math weakness now. [05:21] I keep doing certain problems, where I get some right, some wrong. This is not good. If thisis my strength, no wonder they put me in there. [05:22] n37wk3r (~netwolker@unaffiliated/n37wk3r) joined ##slackware. [05:24] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:25] Does anyone have a Dell E-Series Laptop Stand? [05:25] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [05:27] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF3FFE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:27] I've learned not to buy anything... with a bad reputation. [05:27] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF3FFE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:29] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF3FFE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:31] Alright, bed time. 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[05:58] darkwurm (~darkwurm@71-20-34-101.war.clearwire-wmx.net) left irc: Changing host [05:58] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [05:58] what file in a profile is used to set the profile? [05:58] fonts, etc., [05:58] set the profile? [05:59] console fonts are not part of the profile, it's a separate program for setting screen fonts [06:03] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [06:04] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [06:05] u (~u@92.16.252.137) joined ##slackware. [06:05] Nick change: u -> Guest43773 [06:06] strash (1000@vlan-186-sliven-71.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [06:06] hello,does anyone tried to setup an apache server which is with dynamic ip (DHCP) ? [06:07] strash: tons of people [06:08] can you give me an idea ? [06:08] of what? [06:08] how to set it up [06:08] each time i connect my ip is changed [06:08] so how anyone will be able to access it ... [06:08] strash: dynamic dns. [06:08] has nothing to do with apache [06:08] let me google [06:09] strash: try dyndns.org [06:09] so i setup some software that comunicates with a server that is giving me a dns entry ? [06:09] yep [06:10] nice [06:10] i found this website [06:10] http://www.no-ip.com/services/managed_dns/free_dynamic_dns.html [06:10] what do you think [06:10] is it what i`m looking for ? [06:11] looks like that's one of those free services. just make sure they have a linux client [06:11] they do [06:11] well, there you go [06:12] how should i install in (last time i had problems cause no "uninstall" was there [06:12] considering i've never seen that software, i can't tell you [06:13] i got debian.sh , gentoo.sh redhat.sh but nothing suitable for slack [06:13] strash: welcome to reality. you're very unlikely to find places that offer slackware packages [06:14] noip2.c [06:14] is this sourse? [06:14] 'source' [06:14] *source [06:14] i guess i can compile it ... [06:14] somehow [06:15] ananke do you have use such software (for dyn dns ) ? [06:15] strash: rephrase that question. it makes no sense in english [06:15] yht (~yht@118.96.121.225) left irc: Quit: bye [06:16] ananke do you have some experience ,can you recommend me some free dynamic dns service ? [06:16] i don't know if you're asking me if i have use for such software, or have used such software [06:17] strash: i use dyndns.org for service [06:17] ok [06:17] let me check it out [06:17] i guess they got no slack support ... [06:17] with ez-ipupdate software, and i don't use it with slackware [06:18] use dyndns [06:18] They're even built into netgear ADSL routers for update (which run linux) [06:18] slacker6896 (~slacker68@f0017-1-88-165-190-90.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:19] ffelix (phelix@ditto.arpa.org) joined ##slackware. [06:20] i can`t find the software i have to install ... [06:22] strash: you're not paying much attention [06:22] >.< [06:23] 06:13 ananke> with ez-ipupdate software [06:23] well i thought 2 people offer 2 ways to solve the situation [06:23] j0z (~JESUS@187.112.132.98) joined ##slackware. [06:23] j0z (~JESUS@187.112.132.98) left irc: Changing host [06:23] j0z (~JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [06:23] v4nelle (~van@79.107.198.113) joined ##slackware. [06:24] strash: Zordrak suggested the use of same service i mentioned. how is that two ways? [06:24] well , its difficult to explain [06:25] my english is not so good as i need to be ... [06:25] mrcarrot (~lasse@86-60-154-229-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) joined ##slackware. [06:26] strash: you can use dyndns with ddclient. For ddclient you can find the SlackBuild file here: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/network/ddclient/ [06:26] nice :) [06:27] Action: alphageek uses an ancient copy of dyndnsupdate [06:30] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:31] delt0r___ (~delt0r@188-22-175-93.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:33] how to make ddclient to start automatically ? [06:34] strash (1000@vlan-186-sliven-71.comnet.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:34] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:35] Add it to rc.local [06:37] epapi (~epapi@outgoing.txt.it) joined ##slackware. [06:39] morning lads o/ [06:40] strash (1000@vlan-186-sliven-251.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [06:40] dyndns is decent and free [06:40] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) joined ##slackware. [06:40] the problem is ddclient is not updating my ip [06:41] it is in "rc.d" but ... [06:41] cr4ck (~unknown@189-72-241-89.cpece700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:42] cr4ck` (~unknown@189.31.165.48) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:42] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: [06:44] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:46] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-434822.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [06:46] strash (1000@vlan-186-sliven-251.comnet.bg) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:46] You gave to make it executable (rc.ddclient) [06:46] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-434822.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:46] And add this line to rc.local: /etc/rc.d/rc.ddclient start [06:47] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:49] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:51] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF3FFE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:57] pete` (~user@004.a.007.syd.iprimus.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:58] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [07:04] strash (1000@vlan-186-sliven-128.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [07:06] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [07:06] strash: you have to make rc.ddclient executable, and add this line to rc.local to start it automatically on system startup: /etc/rc.c/rc.ddclient start [07:06] Of course... You have to configure ddclient first... [07:06] i made my own conf file in etc [07:06] now i will make it executable [07:06] pete` (~user@004.a.007.syd.iprimus.net.au) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:06] and add to startup [07:07] how to make it executable [07:07] chmod 0755 ... ? [07:07] chmod +x rc.ddclient [07:09] Starting ddclient sounds good [07:10] i wander why no ddclient.conf was available and i had to add it manually [07:10] There was no /etc/ddclient/ddclient.conf? [07:10] Guest43773 (~u@92.16.252.137) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:10] no [07:11] i just went to dyndns and i made mine [07:11] i edited the examples :) [07:11] maybe because i din`t start the ddclient ? [07:11] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-141-84.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:11] When I created the ddclient package for me, it contained the config file [07:12] imroot (~imroot@201.22.153.238.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:12] the config file must be in "/etc" ,right ? [07:12] No [07:12] or i`m lookin on the wrong spot [07:12] v4nelle (~van@79.107.198.113) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:12] It must be in /etc/ddclient/ [07:13] so ,it was my mistake [07:13] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [07:15] well , i will wait 200 sec to see if it will change the ip in dyndns.com [07:15] in my account i should select the first option ? [07:15] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF3FFE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:16] Sorry, I don't know what is the first option... [07:16] the option that you select your ip in it ... [07:16] second was url something and the last one - offline mode [07:17] It is in ddclient.conf or when you log in to dyndns.com? [07:17] Elfo (~no_w@83.240.167.193) joined ##slackware. [07:18] when i log in dyndns.com [07:18] Sorry, i don't know. I have not logged in since many-many months ago... [07:20] hi all [07:20] I have a question about the installation disk [07:20] that ddclient is not changing my ip in the website ... [07:20] rodrigo_golive (c8116f03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.17.111.3) joined ##slackware. [07:21] can you upload your conf file (without credentials) [07:22] I'm trying to make a custom installation disk (removed some packages to save space) but it asked me to insert the next CD... like it does when we use the CDs and select a full install [07:22] lio_013 (~ahmed@41.153.208.200) joined ##slackware. [07:23] how does the setup program tells if the packages are all in the current cd or if it should ask for adicional cds? [07:24] Here is my ddclient.conf file: http://pastebin.com/uZS5Bbaq [07:24] some times when the computer shutdown unexpectly or by power down when i reboot my system it is very slow and it works normally in one case when i reboot again [07:24] Where you see ******, you have to put your settings (user, pass, dyndns host) [07:24] here is the diff between lsmod output in both case http://pastie.org/1169795 [07:26] never_mind (~dexter@219.64.95.198) joined ##slackware. [07:27] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-36-154.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[07:48] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:48] strash (1000@vlan-186-sliven-65.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [07:49] Verdi1 (~Mlecanest@213.233.92.63) joined ##slackware. [07:50] Verdi1 (Mlecanest@213.233.92.63) left ##slackware. [07:52] kukukk can you help me further ? [07:52] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:53] ? [07:53] well , i try to see a testpage by adding it to my web address but i can`t see it [07:53] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:53] only the index.html works [07:54] So ddclient is working and now you have problems with apache? [07:55] i guess so - in "localhost/test.php" all works fine [07:55] in the internet adress - it doesn`t [07:55] i modified the index.html but it doesn`t change at all [07:56] Try: ping yourhost.dyndns.org (or whatever host your chosed) [07:56] To see, if it is working [07:57] ok i will ping it [07:58] well it pings me [07:58] strash: might not work from inside your own network [07:58] i remove index.html~ files and let me see if it changes [07:58] If the index.html doesn't change, it could be a caching problem... [07:58] doesn't for me at least [07:58] ah , i removed the index.html~ and it changed [07:58] let me try the php_info() [08:01] damn [08:01] no php_info [08:01] and the index.html returned to the previous version "It works!" [08:02] You can't put php_info() in index.html [08:03] well i put it into index.php [08:03] and if you try http://localhost/index.php ? [08:03] lori_ (~lori@c-24-131-42-15.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:03] the problem is that i removed "it works" with all the tags to " aaa [08:03] Default apache will search for index.html... [08:03] revel0___ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [08:04] localhost shows the true index.html [08:04] Where you make this changes? In the DocumentRoot? [08:04] while the web adress shows "It works!" [08:04] /var/www/htdocs/ [08:05] And this folder is configured as DocumentRoot in httpd.conf? [08:05] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-434822.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [08:06] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-434822.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:06] i think so [08:07] cat /etc/httpd/httpd.conf | grep Document [08:07] nah it`s not set as such [08:08] its something different [08:08] ashe (~ashe@125.163.44.224) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:09] For me it is: DocumentRoot "/Multimedia/www" [08:09] This is not the default, I have changed it... [08:09] ashe (~ashe@118.96.236.245) joined ##slackware. [08:13] could you give me a sample page ? [08:13] just a simple one to test with [08:13] i used html many years ago - i don`t remember almost anything [08:14] You can put a simple text, without any html tags... [08:15] ok [08:15] You can try to clear the cache, or try another browser, to be sure that it is not cached... [08:15] i think its cashed [08:16] i have to clean the cash of the firefox [08:16] wobbles (~huntsman@C-61-68-169-182.bur.connect.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:16] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [08:18] connection was refused in both seamonkey and konqueror [08:20] strash: httpd is not running. [08:20] strash: What does the error log say, exactly? [08:21] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF3FFE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:21] where are the logs of httpd situated ? [08:21] WarrenSH (~info@c-24-23-27-71.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:21] default folder [08:21] http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/DistrosDefaultLayout [08:21] strash: read that. [08:21] rodrigo_golive (c8116f03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.17.111.3) left irc: Quit: Page closed [08:22] /var/log/httpd [08:22] i think ddclient is not working [08:22] connection refused [08:22] damn [08:23] strash: What does the error log say, exactly? [08:25] ah i fixed it [08:25] the directory stuff was mixed in httpd.conf [08:25] i mistyped 1 letter [08:25] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF3FFE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:28] WarrenSH (~info@c-24-23-27-71.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com ) [08:29] j0z (~JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:29] strash (1000@vlan-186-sliven-65.comnet.bg) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:31] j0z (~JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. 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[08:57] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:58] slacker6896 (~slacker68@f0017-1-88-165-190-90.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [09:01] Elfo (no_w@83.240.167.193) left ##slackware. [09:01] M3no1ti0s (~M3no1ti0s@212.183.140.54) left irc: Quit: Quit Message [09:04] hersonls (~hersonls@189.43.141.102) joined ##slackware. [09:05] grazymax (~grazymax@host21-155-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:05] Urugami (~AndChat@26.sub-174-245-130.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [09:07] strash (1000@vlan-156-sliven-207.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [09:10] Nick change: JollyRob0 -> rob0 [09:20] dusankrehel (~root@proxy.spse-po.sk) joined ##slackware. [09:21] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [09:24] Cr1kk4 (~fabio@93-41-232-158.ip83.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [09:24] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:27] revel0___ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:28] jrodger (~jrodger@27-32-19-10.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:31] revel0___ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [09:34] jamesstanley (~james@cpc2-stav6-0-0-cust1435.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [09:35] j0z (~JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:35] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [09:36] I am trying to compile claws mail 3.7.6 on slackware64 13.1. I am told "checking whether to use GnuTLS... yes", "checking for GNUTLS... yes", and then later, "checking whether TLS library is available..." (with neither yes nor no), and finally, "gnuTLS : no" [09:36] Does anyone know what I'm missing? [09:37] jamesstanley: You using a script from slackbuilds.org or ? [09:37] nope [09:37] I just download claws-mail 3.7.6 and ran ./configure [09:37] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/network/claws-mail/ [09:38] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [09:38] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [09:38] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:38] crocket (1000@112.214.154.58) joined ##slackware. [09:38] Hello guys [09:38] gnome-icon-theme is installed by default in slackware(64) 13.1 [09:39] It contains icons in /usr/share/icons/gnome [09:39] uh huh.. and? [09:39] get to the point ;) [09:39] maybe he just wanted to make a statement? [09:39] make an obvious statement that everyone here already knows? [09:39] huh [09:39] I was going to ask a question [09:39] It turns out to be something else [09:40] |Slacker| (~cris@201.22.49.98.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection timed out [09:40] crocket: yeah.. waiting on the question hehe [09:40] I'm formulating a question now. [09:41] Dominian: same problem with the slackbuild [09:41] jamesstanley: Missing any requirements? [09:41] not as far as i know [09:41] but i guess i must be [09:41] jamesstanley: I don' thave a slackware64 system here to teset with at the moment.. [09:41] ok [09:41] it says it finds gnutls ok, but it decides not to enable it anyway [09:42] When rhythmbox is installed on slackware64 13.1, three icons are missing apparently, and I don't know if other icons are missing, too. [09:42] Dexter (~dexter@219.64.95.198) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:42] repeat and shuffle icons are missing [09:42] music icon is missing, too [09:42] rhythmbox isn't in Slackware by default correct? [09:42] It should be somewhere in /usr/share/rhythmbox [09:42] It isn't by default [09:42] Then... I'm lost as to what the issue is. [09:42] Fix the script or installation you used.. find out what happened to the icons.. ? [09:42] I sort of built my own rhythmbox since GSB rhythmbox misses three icons apparently. [09:43] did you use anything from slackbuilds.org to build rhythmbox? [09:43] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-161.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:43] crocket: Then .. uhh talk to #gsb? Maybe they can be of better assistance since this is Gnome related..? [09:43] Since I built my own rhythmbox, I can aks here, too. [09:43] Is good a linux distribucion's from slackware ? [09:43] crocket: good luck [09:44] according to my arch rhythmbox needs hicolor-icon-theme [09:44] not gnome [09:44] crocket: Gnome isn't officiall supported by Slackware.. hence not supported by this channel. If rhythmbox is a Gnome-thing.. then your best bet is #gsb [09:44] hmm [09:44] Dominian, maybe [09:44] I can't guarantee [09:44] Dominian: do you know what dependencies gnutls have? Alternatively, do you know how to find out? [09:44] *has [09:45] jamesstanley: Not off the top of my head.. if it SEES GNUTLS to begin with.. I'd say a patch needs to be done to something somewhere... but without a test VM right now... I can't be of much help [09:45] ok [09:45] bogusjokes, hicolor-icon-theme 0.12 is installed by default in slackware 13.1 [09:46] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Quit: KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ [09:46] crocket: find out the *names* of the icons it needs. Once you get that, we can figure out who's at fault here. [09:46] my money is on GSB! [09:46] rworkman, ok [09:46] Action: Dominian pokes chipster [09:46] heh [09:46] I suspect the app is depending on a non-standard icon name. [09:47] rworkman: aye [09:47] rworkman: I just like giving chipster and Tadgy hell :) [09:47] its so fun [09:47] (something that doesn't ship in the standard icon themes, and perhaps the app is supposed to install them) [09:47] indeed :) [09:47] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:48] Dominian: it needed libgpg-error and libgcrypt [09:48] jamesstanley: ahhhh [09:48] jamesstanley: Yeah that'd do it. [09:49] jamesstanley: got it working? [09:49] i found out by reading configure.ac and seeing what it was looking for [09:49] make'ing now [09:49] jamesstanley: good good [09:51] M3no1ti0s (~M3no1ti0s@212.183.140.52) joined ##slackware. [09:53] j0z (~JESUS@189.26.58.235.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:53] j0z (~JESUS@189.26.58.235.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [09:53] j0z (~JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [09:53] pete` (~user@058.a.007.syd.iprimus.net.au) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:55] cr4ck` (~unknown@189-72-241-89.cpece700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:57] troy (~troy@dsl-69-172-83-180.acanac.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:58] cr4ck (~unknown@189-72-241-89.cpece700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:58] cr4ck` (~unknown@189-72-241-89.cpece700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:00] rhythmbox needs media-playlist-repeat.{png,svg} and ubuntu rhythmbox gets this from Humanity icon theme(/usr/share/icons/Humanity). And gnome-icon-theme also has that icon, but rhythmbox built in slackware looks for its own icons(/usr/share/rhythmbox/icons) but not for gnome-icon-themes(/usr/share/icons/gnome/...) which is installed by default. I found those results out from strace rhythmbox > rhythmbox.txt 2>&1 [10:00] bogusjokes (~Doomguy@78-82-252-77.tn.glocalnet.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:00] It also needs media-playlist-shuffle.{svg or png} [10:00] bogusjokes (~Doomguy@78-82-252-77.tn.glocalnet.net) joined ##slackware. [10:00] I think I can give some ./configure option to make rhythmbox look for icons in /usr/share/icons/gnome/... Am I right? [10:01] does the slackbuild move them ? [10:01] no [10:01] rhythmbox icons don't contain media-playlist-repeat [10:01] It is contained in Humanity icon theme and gnome icon theme as far as I know. [10:02] does gnome-icon-theme ? [10:02] yes [10:02] slackware ships this by default [10:02] gnome-icon-theme = gnome icon theme [10:02] clever name [10:02] dusankrehel (root@proxy.spse-po.sk) left ##slackware. [10:02] this is available in slackware's l/ catagory - are you saying you don't have it? [10:02] I have it [10:03] but rhythmbox is not configured to look for media-playlist-repeat.{svg or png} in gnome-icon-theme [10:03] I guess I need to give some ./configure options for it [10:03] Just guess [10:03] A hypothesis if you like to call it so [10:05] you're saying that it's requiring that icon, which already exists in gnome-icon-theme [10:05] yes [10:05] And rhythmbox built with default options don't look for icons in gnome-icon-theme, which I found out by strace. [10:06] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [10:06] cr4ck (~unknown@187.6.220.60) joined ##slackware. [10:06] rhythmbox built with default options looks for icons in /usr/share/rhythmbox/icons, which contains a little number of icons. [10:07] strash (1000@vlan-156-sliven-207.comnet.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:12] maybe i'm misunderstanding. you said rhythmbox is looking for them already [10:12] and they exist. they don't need to be in /usr/share/rhythmbox/ [10:12] hmm? [10:13] rhythmbox built for ubuntu looks for icons in /usr/share/icons/Humanity, and Humanity theme is the icon theme I chose in GNOME. [10:13] rhythmbox built in slackware looks for them in /usr/share/rhythmbox/icons, which doesn't contain neccesary icons. [10:13] M3no1ti0s (~M3no1ti0s@212.183.140.52) left irc: Quit: Quit Message [10:14] j0z (~JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:14] I want rhythmbox to look for in /usr/share/icons/gnome, which is gnome-icon-theme. [10:14] /usr/share/rhythmbox/icons is deficient [10:16] thrice`, Do you get it? [10:17] epapi (~epapi@outgoing.txt.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:19] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:19] Khratos (~jespinal@66.128.60.148) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:19] crocket, symlink [10:19] slava_dp, ??? [10:20] crocket, yes, but what i'm saying, is that it should be already :) [10:20] did you try toggling the icon set ? [10:20] crocket, ln -s /usr/share/icons/gnome /usr/share/rhythmbox/icons [10:21] that's a nasty hack [10:21] Dominian, I agree [10:21] The best solution is to make rhythmbox look in /usr/share/icons/gnome. [10:21] crocket: the ./configure should give you the option for icon paths.. I would think. [10:21] Dominian, So far I couldn't find it [10:22] crocket: can you do a ./configure --help and put it on a pastebin please? [10:22] Dominian, ok [10:22] haha, why's that a hack? [10:22] symlinking is a hack :P [10:22] if it needs icons/gnome, give it! [10:22] hehe [10:23] if the ./configure gives you the ability to tell it wher to look.. easier that way :P [10:23] tha tway you know its linked properly [10:23] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [10:23] that symlink could get deleted by.. say.. and upgrade? [10:23] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:23] Dominian, http://pastebin.com/XuDEMQCa [10:23] you can have that symlink in your slackbuild though =) [10:24] slava_dp, I don't like the idea. [10:24] crocket, are you SURE it's no looking already ? the rhythmbox guys ship what gnome-icon-theme doesn't already, and steals what they need [10:24] thrice`, Can you be clearer? [10:24] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:24] crocket: are you doing: ./configure --prefix=/usr ? [10:24] Dominian, yes [10:24] it looks like everything defaults to looking in $PREFIX [10:24] the icons don't have to exist in /usr/share/rhythmbox for them to be used; this is how ubuntu ships its own set, and rhythmbox is smart enough to inherit whatever you have set for the system. did you *ensure* that gnome-icon-theme is set under Appearance ? [10:25] thrice`, what do you mean by Appearance? [10:25] Hi all, my touchpad scrolling doesn't work in slackware 13.1.... any idea what i should do? [10:25] crocket, under gnome's settings [10:25] thrice`, I have KDE [10:26] I don [10:26] I don't have gnome-control-center [10:26] er [10:26] huh? [10:26] Action: Dominian is confused [10:26] gthumb is also gnome-related, but I separated it from GNOME and sent the slackbuild for it. [10:27] gthumb is now in slackbuilds.org. [10:27] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) joined ##slackware. [10:27] Do I have to install gnome-control-center to make rhythmbox look for icons in gnome-icon-theme? [10:28] doubtful [10:29] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A6BA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [10:29] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [10:29] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) left irc: Quit: The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? [10:29] crocket, out of curiosity, if you choose gnome-icon-theme in KDE's settings, instead of oxygen icons, do they show up? [10:29] I'm guessing rhythmbox is pulling from hicolor instead of gnome-icon-theme, which is why a few are missing [10:31] cr4ck` (~unknown@187.53.138.132) joined ##slackware. [10:31] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:31] thrice`, yes it is pulling from /usr/share/icons/hicolor [10:33] crocket, here's something worth trying [10:33] cr4ck (~unknown@187.6.220.60) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:33] strash (1000@vlan-156-sliven-207.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [10:33] thrice` : I'm already installing gnome-control-center by slapt-get --install gnome-control-center [10:33] does the touchpad scrolling work automatically in Slackware 13.1? [10:34] Is the slackware torrent tracker down? I am trying to download from the torrent file at Slackware site. [10:34] seejay : yes [10:34] my gkrellm shows in PROC section that i have 2 users (and i`m with my regular account ,not the root) -is it all ok ? [10:34] seejay : My synaptic touchpad scrolling works by default in slackware64 13.1 [10:34] crocket, unfortunately mine doesn't :( it used to work with other distributions... [10:34] echo "gtk-icon-theme-name=gnome-icon-theme" >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 [10:34] strash what does "w" show [10:34] crocket, ^ [10:35] strash: it's probably 1 console and 1 X [10:35] mancha ,where should i type "w" [10:35] Looks like the torrent tracker is working now. [10:35] in any termina [10:35] thrice` : let me try that [10:35] crocket, actually, create the file ~/.gtkrc-2.0 with: gtk-icon-theme-name="gnome-icon-theme" [10:35] 17:31:15 up 3:35, 3 users, load average: 0.22, 0.21, 0.39 [10:35] USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT [10:35] strash tty1 - 13:57 3:33m 0.18s 0.00s /bin/sh /usr/bi [10:35] Channel flood from strash -- kicking [10:35] strash pts/1 :0 13:58 3:33m 0.00s 4.38s kdeinit4: kded4 [10:35] strash pts/2 :0.0 17:31 0.00s 0.00s 0.00s w [10:35] strash kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [10:36] strash (1000@vlan-156-sliven-207.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [10:36] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:36] damn , i pasted it all together ... [10:36] strash now gkrellm probably shows 3 [10:36] nope [10:36] just 2 [10:36] is it possible to be the apache ? [10:36] ah ,now 3 users [10:37] so everything is ok ? [10:37] you thoguht you had been hacked? [10:37] well i`m not good with the apache - i might have left something wrong ... [10:38] yeah all the users are you [10:38] strash: if i break in to your machine, the first thing i'll do is remove myself from utmp [10:38] some people in my area were hacked into a botnet ... [10:38] thrice`, It doesn't work. [10:38] and they got some huge trouble ... [10:38] crocket, you restarted rhythmbox ? [10:38] strash, but as far as if all is OK, i have no way of knowing. nothing wrong with your user count though. [10:38] jamesstanley how much time do ou need to remove yourself from utmp ? [10:39] thrice`, yes, but don't I need to restart X session since .gtkrc-2.0 doesn't seem to be applied until then. [10:39] strash: i don't break in to people's machines, so i have no idea, but it would be on the order of nanoseconds if a script is doing it [10:39] *microseconds [10:39] crocket, maybe "kcmshell icons" [10:39] oh [10:39] not good [10:39] i have so much to learn ... [10:40] thrice`, please. It's kcm [10:40] i'm not actually on linux at the moment, cut me some slack :p [10:40] does anyone uses KDE here ? [10:40] strash, many use KDE here [10:41] crocket, kcmshell should be valid for kde4 [10:41] rhythmbox wouldn't even refer to kcmshell [10:41] crocket ,is there any biult-in KDE Backgroud screens that i can use ,and how (right click on desktop don`t show any setup option) [10:41] ok, if you're the fucking expert, figure it out yourself [10:42] thrice`, I'm just trying to save my effort [10:42] j0z (~JESUS@187.59.21.238) joined ##slackware. [10:42] j0z (~JESUS@187.59.21.238) left irc: Changing host [10:42] j0z (~JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [10:42] no need to investigate kcmshell since rhythmbox is part of GNOME [10:42] no shit [10:43] kcmshell icons will update the icon sets that applications are using [10:43] Does anybody else have an opinion? [10:43] you're loading rhythmbox from WITHIN kde, so it's using its settings [10:43] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [10:43] thrice`, I loaded gtk-window-decorator of compiz within KDE, and it's using gconf. [10:43] crocket: my opinion is try running kcmshell icons to see if it helps instead of speculating that it won't [10:44] "kcmshell icons" generate an error [10:44] crocket, you can try restarting X after editing ~/.gtkrc-2.0 , see if that works [10:44] kbuildsycoca running... [10:44] kcmshell: WARNING: Could not find module 'icons'. [10:44] currently, your gtk apps are using hicolor, and you need to convince them to use gnome-icon-theme [10:46] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: _marc` [10:47] thrice`, I guess gnome-control-center would do taht [10:47] that [10:47] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:49] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [10:49] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D57DF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:49] it should - I would have thought a simple declaration to ~/.gtkrc-2.0 would too; perhaps my syntax is bad or something. oh well, back to work I go [10:51] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [10:52] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [10:52] i have problems with my flash player - it flickers [10:53] strash: flickers? What version of slackware and what version of the flash player? [10:54] imroot (~imroot@189.75.126.205) joined ##slackware. [10:55] Alan_Hicks -slackware 13.1 ,flash player - latest libflashplayer.so (is it be possible due to the VESA driver ?) [10:55] epapi (~epapi@outgoing.txt.it) joined ##slackware. [10:56] strash: Yes, it could be due to using the VESA driver. Flash is very much a binary blob produced by adobe. It doesn't always play well with Linux and expects a certain level of graphics performance that VESA just isn't going to give you. [10:57] Alan_Hicks when i play something in flash player (not full screen) my CPU jumps to 99% (1.7Ghz Intel chip) [10:57] i guess its due to the VESA [10:58] by the way ,can i remove the gkrellm tab in the taskbar without removing it (it just takes too much space on the taskbar ) [10:59] AbhiJit (~abhijit@unaffiliated/abhijit) joined ##slackware. [10:59] i heard that gentoo can be installed using any livecd. can i do the same with salckware? [11:00] not as nicely, no [11:00] thrice`, ok [11:00] "can" probably if you know what you're doing. But as thrice` says .. not as nicely. [11:00] well, it can be, but there's no instructions or so on doing it [11:00] BP{k}, thrice` hmm [11:01] you'd have to extract the pkgtools stuff, using installpkg -root to hit a your mounted partition target, but then you'd have figure out the bootloader, etc. goodies that the installer covers [11:01] install a/ ap/ l/ n/, then slackpkg slackware should do it [11:01] slackpkg install slackware rather [11:01] lori_ (~lori@c-24-131-42-15.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:02] ok [11:02] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [11:02] rrs_ (~rrs@92.125.217.32) joined ##slackware. [11:02] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:03] slacker6896 (~slacker68@f0017-1-88-165-190-90.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:04] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [11:04] My guess is correct. [11:05] After I set the icon theme to GNOME in appearance entry of gnome-control-center, rhythmbox started displaying all the neccesary icons. [11:05] ZokkeR (~phil@mue-88-130-104-051.dsl.tropolys.de) joined ##slackware. [11:05] hey [11:06] i need help with partitionating [11:06] fdisk [11:06] cfdisk [11:06] --help /-h [11:06] i tried fdisk /dev/sda1 [11:06] ZokkeR : or you need "parted", "gparted", or "partitionmanager" [11:06] but it tells me that slackware doesnt support GTP [11:06] k [11:07] when i change the partition id, right? [11:07] ??? [11:07] well [11:07] how do i change GTP to partitionmanager? [11:08] Urugami (~AndChat@26.sub-174-245-130.myvzw.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:09] k [11:09] ^^ [11:09] i test it [11:09] Channel flood from ZokkeR -- kicking [11:09] maybe [11:09] ZokkeR kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [11:09] fail [11:09] Well [11:10] wcd6 (~wcd6@host181.190-31-142.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [11:10] $10 says he does it again if he comes back. [11:10] GTP is guanosine triphosphate, which is a chemical equivalence of ATP. [11:10] wcd6 (wcd6@host181.190-31-142.telecom.net.ar) left ##slackware ("Saliendo del canal"). [11:10] It maybe GPT [11:11] You guys would know ATP [11:15] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:16] where i shoud untar my gkrellm themes (/home/"user"/.gkrellm2/themes folder is not present [11:16] ZokkeR (~phil@mue-88-130-104-051.dsl.tropolys.de) joined ##slackware. [11:16] alright, im back =D [11:16] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [11:17] so i dont know how i change the GTP partition to a gparted partition [11:17] strash, mkdir -p ~/.gtkrellm2/themes and then try ;) [11:17] gparted? [11:17] or parted, partitionmanager [11:17] double huh? [11:17] :D [11:18] well, when i type in fdisk /dev/sda1 [11:18] damn i got many tgz files [11:19] Urugami (~AndChat@26.sub-174-245-130.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [11:19] ZokkeR (~phil@mue-88-130-104-051.dsl.tropolys.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:19] thrice` should i installpkg all theze themes ? [11:19] or the download is doubtful... [11:21] ZokkeR (~phil@mue-88-130-104-051.dsl.tropolys.de) joined ##slackware. [11:21] alright, back again, just had a bluescreen [11:21] If it is a packed file, you can't use installpkg... [11:21] so when I type in "fdisk /dev/sda1" [11:21] kukukk i got more than 100 tgz files [11:21] it tells me that the GTP table isnt supported [11:22] that i should change it to GNU parted [11:22] but how?? [11:22] use gdisk [11:22] tgz extension doesn't mean that it is a slackware package... [11:22] gdisk? [11:22] well it doesn`t change the gkrellm themes [11:23] i have to go, i bang my head and will try not to come again [11:23] strash (1000@vlan-156-sliven-207.comnet.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:23] hum ;) [11:24] rdm_arw (~rdm_arw@189.117.38.31) joined ##slackware. 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[11:30] Mowah (~Mowah@c-078ae555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:30] revel0___ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:30] Alan_Hicks: I was just commenting that pkgtool ncurses defaults to blue background [11:30] Then I have bluescreen every time when I run mc :}} [11:31] imroot (~imroot@189.75.126.205) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:31] cr4ck` (~unknown@187.53.138.132) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:31] and then there's mc :) [11:32] cr4ck (~unknown@187.53.138.132) joined ##slackware. [11:32] I knew a guy who did that as a "security measure". [11:32] He would login as a mortal user, open mc-edit, and write the BSOD message in there. [11:32] heh [11:32] And he adjusted the height on his CRT to hide the tooltip. [11:34] rdm_arw (~rdm_arw@189.117.38.31) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:34] So.... On Slackware we get much more bluescreens than on Windows? :} [11:34] many more USEFULL bluescreens than MS :) [11:34] Urugami (~AndChat@26.sub-174-245-130.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:34] My favorite is the BSOD screensaver. [11:35] that one is a classic [11:35] jamesstanley (~james@cpc2-stav6-0-0-cust1435.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:35] I particularly love it when it shows the linux kernel panic. [11:36] heh [11:37] g3man (~chatzilla@abow237.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:37] Mowah (~Mowah@c-078ae555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [11:38] g3man (chatzilla@abow237.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left ##slackware. [11:38] g3man (~chatzilla@abow237.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:38] g3man (chatzilla@abow237.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left ##slackware. [11:42] i get 10 blue screens a day on slackware. [11:42] jeev: Windows Me in a VM doesn't count. [11:43] :}} [11:43] na Alan_Hicks, they happen when i'm reading about Christine O'Donnell's credibility :) [11:43] Cr1kk4 (fabio@93-41-232-158.ip83.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware. [11:43] jeev: Say what you will; it's still higher than Rossie O'Donnel's. [11:43] cryptonoia (~cryptonoi@ip72-205-14-129.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:44] Alan_Hicks, dont get me wrong.. i'd hit it, raw. then i'd rub one out on her and see what she says about that, hahaha [11:44] actually, not raw. i wouldn't want a kid with that stupid of a mother [11:44] bnguyen (chatzilla@123.30.12.71) left ##slackware. [11:48] OK [11:48] I solved the rhythmbox icon problem [11:48] Either I could specify gtk-icon-theme-name="blah" in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 or I could install gnome-settings-daemon and change the value of /apps/gnome/interface/icon_theme in gconf-editor. [11:48] wow, sounds familiar [11:49] so by 'I solved' you mean other people solved for you ? how rude of you to take credit ;) [11:49] thrice`, I think I made a typo when I typed gtk-icon-theme-name the last time. [11:49] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [11:49] thrice`, I didn't know it could sound like that. [11:49] I solved the problem in that I did some leg work. [11:50] using ~/.gtkrc-2.0 sounds right though, instead of requiring gconfd to run all the time [11:50] It's like you call the house you live in "my house" even if the house is owned by your father. [11:50] cryptonoia_afk (~cryptonoi@ip72-205-14-129.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:50] crocket, no, I call it 'my house' because I bought it :p [11:50] gnome-settings-daemon is said to be light-weighted although I don't like this. [11:51] thrice`, Anyway. It's how english is spoken. [11:51] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-46-92.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[12:40] AbhiJit (abhijit@unaffiliated/abhijit) left ##slackware ("http://abhijitnavale.blogspot.com/"). [12:41] MarkT- (1000@S010600248c3ee38b.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:42] Multilib is giving me grief again... [12:42] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:44] then stop using it :P [12:44] I need it for a couple of programs I run Necos. [12:45] that's actually why i haven't upgraded to 64-bit [12:46] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [12:48] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [12:50] Slaxy (1000@ip70-174-66-150.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:50] n00mada (~n00mada@unaffiliated/n00mada) joined ##slackware. [12:50] rrs_ (~rrs@92.125.217.32) joined ##slackware. [12:50] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [12:51] n00mada (~n00mada@unaffiliated/n00mada) left irc: Client Quit [12:51] Hi all. I have a script that I need to run as root after KDE is fully up. Any suggestions on how I can do that? [12:52] I need it to run whenever KDE starts [12:52] Slaxy, sudo isn't an option? [12:52] That's not overly helpful, necos.... if it's so unusable, why is it there? [12:53] unfortunately no. It needs to be an autostart type thing [12:53] MarkT-, maybe you should define your problem ? [12:53] MarkT-, for some people, multilib works flawlessly [12:54] logia_th (~nmo@81.39.39.77) joined ##slackware. [12:54] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:54] Sometimes I come across packages in Slackbuilds.org that want to have /usr/lib in the library path, and it searches there before anything I try to put into libdir environment variable, and then it finds a library with the right name in /usr/lib, complaining it's in the wrong format. [12:54] Action: logia_th hi folks!! [12:54] I tried adding it to my rc.4 but that didnt work either [12:54] Hi logia_th [12:55] MarkT-, so, append LDFLAGS to configure [12:55] MarkT-, http://slackbuilds.org/faq/#multilib is a good start [12:55] MarkT-: when kde starts (as in KDM login) or the kde desktop starts after you login [12:56] Why is possible 10.*.*.* on internet? [12:56] logia_th: not - it's a private address space [12:56] yes I know [12:57] if you're seeing that network, then you're on a private network. hint - a lot of isp's use that space for their customers, then use nat from their space to the rest of the internet [12:57] Sep 20 18:44:17 192.168.*.*: security:5897.667 Blocked Prot=6, 10.74.125.231:2998 > *:445, S Seq=-234716425, Ack=0 -Default Defense [12:58] M3no1ti0s (~M3no1ti0s@212.183.140.22) joined ##slackware. [12:58] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [12:58] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Changing host [12:58] hackeron (~hackeron@gentoo/user/hackeron) joined ##slackware. [12:58] I see this over cable providers but no with dsl providers [12:58] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:59] thanks of course... [12:59] MarkT-: if you're building it on your x64 system why do you want it to use /usr/lib? [12:59] ajmrch (~asarch@189.229.73.47) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:59] cable providers use a different broadband setup than dsl, you can see your neighbors systems on a cable that are switched by dsl and not seen (not in promiscuous mode) [12:59] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@190.176.147.211) joined ##slackware. [12:59] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@190.176.147.211) left irc: Changing host [12:59] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [13:01] alisonken1home, yes I know a bit about this but now I'm with a dsl provider... [13:01] Does anybody know how to integrate fbplash into initscript so that fbsplash displays boot progress? [13:02] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [13:02] crocket: there's a program you run at specific intervals of the startup scripts that updates fbsplash [13:03] sadonfa_ (~sadonfa@186.80.88.217) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:03] Action: MarkT- grumbles. [13:03] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:03] So I either have to get rid of multilib or stop using slackbuilds... [13:03] crocket: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fbsplash <-- arch linux notes on that [13:03] [13:03] MarkT-: or learn how to use multilib for slackbuilds [13:03] MarkT-, did you read the link I posted? It's a quick edit [13:04] Yes I did. [13:05] ok, neither "rid of multilib" nor "stop using slackbuilds" is the result. try to read it again [13:05] mrcarrot (lasse@86-60-154-229-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) left ##slackware. [13:05] alisonken1home, That's for arch [13:05] the slackbuild apparently already has --libdir=/usr/lib64 in it. [13:05] --libdir is for output libraries [13:06] crocket: yes - but it also has a link to fbslpash.berlios.de [13:06] fbsplash.berlios.de [13:06] crocket: it suggests some software to use, it may need to be installed, tweaked and configured [13:07] bogusjokes (~Doomguy@78-82-252-77.tn.glocalnet.net) left irc: Quit: doom [13:07] okay... trying it with LDFLAGS specifically.... [13:07] and arch/gentoo use conf.d [13:07] slackware doesn't use any [13:07] josemanuel (~josemanue@31.252.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [13:08] nope - fbsplash is not slackwareish [13:08] fbsplash itself is distro-independent [13:09] Nope... didn't change anything. [13:09] M3no1ti0s (M3no1ti0s@212.183.140.22) left ##slackware. [13:09] again - pat has decided that fbsplash is not a boot guification that he was interested in, so it's not a "slackwareish" program [13:09] As the page says, "beyond that, you are on your own..." [13:10] Which, as I said above, reads as either meaning I have to stop using multilib or stop using slackbuilds. [13:10] jamesstanley (~james@cpc2-stav6-0-0-cust1435.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:10] Does anyone know what I need to install in order to get tic (terminfo compiler) [13:10] MarkT-: what are you trying to build from SBo? [13:11] Avasz (~Unk@unaffiliated/avasz) joined ##slackware. [13:11] jamesstanley: "man tic" [13:11] alisonken1home: No manual entry for tic [13:11] jgeboski: transcode [13:11] alisonken1home: if i already had tic i wouldn't be here ;) [13:11] jamesstanley: interesing - it's on my slackware system. did you do a full install? [13:11] MarkT-, post an error or something more useful than "it doesn't work" :) [13:12] alisonken1home: i didn't have a dvd so i installed enough packages to get a working system [13:12] jamesstanley: and which version of slackware? [13:12] slackware64 13.1 [13:12] MarkT-: why are you trying to build it in the x86 environment? [13:12] if it's part of the base system then i'm guessing it's something in a/ [13:12] jgeboski: I'm not. My ARCH variable is x86_64 [13:12] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [13:12] the what's the issue here? [13:13] hold on.... I'll get the exact error again. [13:15] okay.... ARCH is x86_64.... and when trying to install the transcode slackbuild package, it errors with /usr/lib/libjpeg.so: could not read symbols: File in wrong format [13:15] alisonken1home: it was part of the ncurses package, and i've got it now [13:16] MarkT-: that's because libjpeg.so is 32-bit library and the compiling is trying to compile the 64-bit version - hence wrong format [13:16] or /usr/lib/libjpeg.so rather [13:16] you have to fake the ARCH=x86 by running the 32-bit multilib script prior to running the slackbuild [13:17] if you're trying to compile for 32-bit multilib [13:17] jamesstanley: good [13:17] No, I'm trying to build it for x86_64 [13:17] MarkT-: what's this output: ls /var/log/packages/*libjpeg* [13:17] MarkT-: then look for /usr/lib64/libjpeg.so [13:17] I actually don't have many 32 bit packages on my system [13:18] MarkT-, the LDFLAGS trick should have worked - post the slackbuild you are using ? [13:18] /var/log/packages/libjpeg-compat32-v8a-x86_64-1 /var/log/packages/libjpeg-v8a-x86_64-1 [13:18] you've got the package [13:21] bogusjokes (~Doomguy@78-82-252-77.tn.glocalnet.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] Roin (~florian@p5B2BB56B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:22] juice (1000@67.48.16.165) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:22] sadonfa_ (~sadonfa@186.80.88.217) joined ##slackware. [13:22] thrice`: I think the problem is that sbopkg keeps wanting to reuse the original copy of the transcode slackbuild [13:22] it will, yes [13:22] MarkT-: has someone pointed you at http://slackbuilds.org/faq/#multilib yet? [13:22] yes [13:22] Yes, alienBOB. [13:23] MarkT-, then modify the local slackbuild [13:23] Avasz (~Unk@unaffiliated/avasz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:23] Necos: I tried that... sbopkg wanted to use the original. [13:23] bogusjokes (~Doomguy@78-82-252-77.tn.glocalnet.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:24] MarkT-, copy the directory to ~ instead and execute it by hand [13:24] thrice`: I had just literally finished doing that, actually... and it seemed to work just fine when I added the LDFLAGS line [13:24] I don't know the sbopkg --leave-my-shit-alone flag to prevent it [13:24] Do not put your trust in sbopkg... you have a will of your own [13:24] MarkT-, great :) [13:25] sbopkg - edit slackbuild, it will ask if you want to use the original or the local version of the slackbuild when it builds [13:25] mm, not in my experience :< but maybe I always edit the incorrect location [13:25] for me, it seemed to start from a fresh .tar.gz extraction [13:26] alienBOB: Yes, unfortunately I'm also prone to make mistakes. I've accidentally forgotten to update a slackbuild in the past and it caused me quite a bit of grief at the time. I was hoping to save myself some of that trouble by automating it. [13:26] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:26] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [13:26] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [13:26] bogusjokes (~Doomguy@78-82-252-77.tn.glocalnet.net) joined ##slackware. [13:26] thrice`: if you use the "Edit slackbuild" option in sbopkg, it always asked me which one I wanted to use [13:27] hey guys, is there any caution anyone cares to share about updating gtk+2? (am i going to dink apps on my box using the earlier version or is gtk+2 reverse compatible?) [13:27] oh, I never bring up the ncurses interface [13:27] Noobfarm (~noobfarm@about/linux/staff/dominian) joined ##slackware. [13:27] jemark (~mark@86-44-32-251-dynamic.b-ras2.blp.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [13:28] alisonken1home: I didn't notice that option. [13:28] shonudo, they are backwards compatable mostly, but you'll have to do the entire gtk stack (glib, atk, pango, etc) [13:28] alisonken1home, mm, ok; I always use sbopkg -i "foo" , and when it fails, try to to edit the build using vim or so [13:28] thrice`: thanks; i'll go at it as gtk and related (that makes sense) [13:29] Noobfarm (~noobfarm@about/linux/staff/dominian) left irc: Client Quit [13:29] shonudo, and, do it in a chroot, because gtk is rude and will make install right to your system [13:29] er, the gtk slackbuild is rude * [13:29] got it; will do [13:30] you might be able to steal the packages from gnome slackbuild too :) [13:30] MarkT-: when you select the slackbuild, use the "Custom" option to edit [13:30] since newer gtk components were needed for compiling gnome I'd think [13:30] Roin_ (~florian@p5B2BCCD8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:30] thrice`: finding the packages would be nice and yeah, they're required for gnome i think [13:31] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF040D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:31] Roin (~florian@p5B2BB56B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:31] Nick change: Roin_ -> Roin [13:31] indeed :> slackware tends to lag for some reason on gtk releases [13:31] no gnome, no gneed might be the reason :) [13:32] well, the result is that now, some apps require newer versions :) [13:33] alisonken1home: I don't see anything resembling the sequence you are describing. [13:34] MarkT-: is the slackbuild you're trying to use from slackbuilds.org? and did you use the "sync" option to update your sbopkg list? [13:34] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-36-154.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:34] remember, also, that rsync will only sync up what's official, not what's in "pending" [13:34] alisonken1home: Earlier today, yes... but not each time. [13:35] hmm [13:35] what version of sbopkg are you using? [13:35] juice (1000@67.48.16.165) joined ##slackware. [13:36] asarch (~asarch@189.188.153.96) joined ##slackware. [13:36] asarch (~asarch@189.188.153.96) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:36] the one I just downloaded yesterday. [13:36] should be there then [13:36] what program is it? [13:36] transcode [13:36] brb [13:37] MarkT-: start slackbuild -> search -> "transcode" -> select -> "Custom" [13:38] transcode v1.1.5 [13:38] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-36-154.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:39] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [13:40] shyko (~francisco@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [13:41] jemark (~mark@86-44-32-251-dynamic.b-ras2.blp.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:41] okay... back... someone was at the door. [13:41] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:43] alisonken1home: are we talking about sbopkg here? [13:43] magento is one bloated bit of software, do any of you guys use it? its resource hungry and slow [13:43] MarkT-: yes [13:44] because I'm not seeing anything remotely resembling what you are describing [13:44] Oh, there it is... [13:44] I was selecting 'add to queue' [13:45] But just hitting "OK" brings me to the interface you were describing. [13:46] asarch (~asarch@189.188.153.96) joined ##slackware. [13:46] like I was saying... I'm human and make mistakes. If I can automate as much of this as possible, that will avoid these sorts of problems [13:47] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:47] like with anything else, sometimes it's just a matter of playing around to see what the programs do [13:49] I've actually never used that search option before. I've just used Updates to add them to the build queue then processed the queue [13:49] sadonfa_ (~sadonfa@186.80.88.217) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:50] strash (1000@vlan-156-sliven-108.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [13:50] anyways... thank you. [13:50] MarkT- (1000@S010600248c3ee38b.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:51] hello,where was the slackpkg mirror list (i think i have some problems with the server i preselected) [13:51] ehm..../etc/slackpkg/mirrors? [13:51] ok [13:53] I'm wasting a lot of time on my computer. [13:53] It's killing me. [13:53] well ,stop wasting it ,and make something useful [13:53] learning properly takes time [13:54] learning is not waste of time (unless you are not doing it the right way) [13:54] slackpkg couldn`t update firefox due to ... md5sum error [13:55] taking some notes helps so you will be able to remember what you did at a later time [13:55] what the f*** are they doin`? [13:55] strash: which mirror? slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware[64]-13.1 was fine this morning [13:55] alisonken1home -i used bulgarian server -and i got md5 missmatch ... [13:56] now i try us server [13:56] ahhh [13:56] all is ok [13:56] it was the shitty server [13:56] *phew* [13:56] sorry for the language [13:56] mild compared to what we normally see here [13:56] sadly i`m on an ftp server-but its fast ... [13:56] (unfortunately) [13:56] hmm? [13:56] how is that possible [13:56] what are they doing [13:57] md5sum mismatch is serious [13:57] and i guess it wasn`t some hacker`s play [13:57] if the server is updating the file at the same time you're trying to get it is usually what happens [13:57] oh [13:57] i guess its this [13:57] firefox was ok 2 hours ago [13:58] i guess they released the update recently [13:58] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) left irc: Quit: I/O Error: No space left on device [13:58] firefox, thunderbird, seamonkey were updated friday, but it depends on when the mirror updates [13:59] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-69-59-106-207.nctv.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:59] well ,my firefox warned me for the update [13:59] that`s why i decided to slackpkg [13:59] firefox calls home, it doesn't call a slackware mirror [13:59] yeah [13:59] but it calls home once a week [13:59] and about the mirror -i`m not sure how often they update ... [14:00] I usually leave the program updates off and just check slackpkg update myself [14:00] firefox can only update if you're using it as root [14:01] spook i didn`t know that [14:01] i tried to update through firefox but ... [14:01] not only that, but firefox updating itself won't keep your packages in sync [14:01] and then i remembered i can slackpkg [14:01] the 'proper' way to update it is through the slackware package system [14:01] it`s nice i don`t use root [14:01] so often [14:01] running firefox as root is a disaster because it lets it auto-update [14:01] by the way [14:01] that's a bigger problem than security flaws usually [14:02] how often do you reinstall linux ? [14:02] when a new release comes out - maybe [14:02] oh [14:02] its something like going from XP to vista ? [14:02] depends on if I need the new version [14:03] I just check to see if the newer version has anything I'm looking for right now - otherwise I leave it alone [14:03] new version = something like new OS ? [14:03] no - new version = something like updated packages and libs [14:04] something like slackware 13.0 and slackware 13.1 [14:04] ? [14:04] I don't reinstall, I update :P [14:04] like going from kde 3.x to kde 4.x - or the libata package updates between 13.0 and 13.1 [14:04] my question is based on my experience with windows [14:04] :| [14:04] so if i maintain my slack using slackpkg and slackbuilds -i won`t need to reinstall ? [14:04] reinstalling is easier but takes longer [14:04] for the most part [14:05] (and backup your HOME folder) [14:05] keep /home on a separate partition [14:05] ok,how can i backup my settings [14:05] strash, nope, very easy to update with slackpkg :> only 4 commands or so [14:05] updating can have more caveats but is shorted [14:05] r [14:05] or a second drive [14:05] slackpkg - i know only 3 [14:05] slackpkg update , install-new,upgrade-all [14:05] backup what settings? [14:05] X settings,mysql,apache ... [14:05] slackpkg update - upgrade-all - install-new [14:06] what`s the 4-th command ? [14:06] you want to upgrade before instalilng new - and sometimes you also have to remove old packages as well [14:06] clean !! [14:06] clean ? [14:06] slackpkg clean ? [14:06] i never done this [14:06] clean-system [14:06] but i have slack for 2 weeks [14:06] just remember slackpkg clean will also remove sbo packages [14:06] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [14:06] what was sbo packages? [14:06] slackbuilds.org [14:07] auch [14:07] for example, if you update 13.0 -> 13.1, some packages might have been removed - you can remove them yourself, or use clean-system to help identify them [14:07] this means skype [14:07] among others [14:07] will it remove skypre or ddclient [14:07] ? [14:07] I also have ardour, which depends on jack, which depends on other packages, etc. [14:07] i hope not (i used slackbuilds for them) [14:07] you can always reinstall them [14:07] nah... [14:07] it took me 1 hour to fix ddclient [14:08] i guess if i update only the applications i won`t need to clean [14:09] it first asks you if you want to clean-system - you can always say no [14:09] It's weird [14:09] but it will show you a list [14:09] 2EJ AE>C;4 8 @C= 8B ,8D 8 4>=GB =554 8B ? [14:09] srry [14:10] Tadgy complains that I want support for GSB programs when I didn't do full or net install. [14:10] why should i use it if i don`t want to use it [14:10] don't have to - your choice [14:10] :) [14:10] the question is "what are the pluses and minuses ?" [14:10] It is my freedom to do partial install and others' freedom to help me, which is what he can't control. [14:10] that would depend on what _you_ want [14:11] crocket: yes it is your freedom to do that. But with that freedom comes a price. The price being knowledge and understanding. [14:11] slacker4 (~slacker@109-121-35-42.adsl-a-7.sezampro.rs) joined ##slackware. [14:12] and a willingness to dig and learn [14:12] ok [14:12] hi to all [14:12] The knowledge of what can go wrong and how to fix it and the understand that it can be quite hard for people to trouble shoot if you have partial installs, what went exactly wrong, where and why. [14:12] the question is -is it too bad for a newbiee not to use it ? [14:12] Tadgy just denied everything for not doing full install. [14:12] depends on your motivation [14:12] strash: I installed slack on a friends computer that's even windows challenged, and his family likes it and uses it every day [14:13] crocket, that's his right :> you do an expert install, you're willing to support yourself :) [14:13] crocket: where does it say he has to help you? Much as it is your freedom to customise and do an install as you please.. it his right and freedom to offer support to whom he wishes on predefined parameters. [14:13] alisonken1home , i like more my linux although some restrictions i have -but keeping your linux run at best is my first goal [14:13] hey guys,did some1 of you used Fusion-Icon ? [14:13] It's pretty much a case of "you can't have your cake and eat it to." [14:13] I just want to say he seemed to want to make me uneasy. [14:13] and coming in here to whine is rude ;) [14:14] in his defence, tadgy can be a bit of a douche [14:14] because in your case, it pretty much comes down to "the cake is a lie" [14:14] the cake is a lie? [14:14] in Tadgys defence .. crocket can be quite a whining git. [14:14] more options = more freedome [14:14] and more responsibilities [14:15] strash, slackware just requires you to do a little more work in the setup and maintanence; if you enjoy that, it's a good fit. if not, there are otheres which do that work for you [14:15] I think Tadgy just doesn't like how I deal with problems. [14:16] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.103.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:16] thrice` i think this "little more help" gives me chance to learn more than a regular ubuntu user [14:16] and if i want to become a real system administrator -i have to learn as much as possible [14:16] strash: that's the attitude :D [14:17] strash, sure :) ubuntu does a great job of handling tasks for users, but you don't really understand how it does things unless you go out of your way [14:17] strash : Learn NFS, CIFS, and OpenAFS if you really want to become one. [14:17] Akuma (~Akuma@modemcable099.110-179-173.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [14:17] by the way i have learned more for linux than i learned for linux in 1 year (and this is because of the help of all the guys in this irc chat) [14:18] I can administer a system alright, and I don't know NFS, CIFS, or OpenAFS :) [14:18] crocket could you tell me your opinion about this website :http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html [14:18] i hope pasting web links is not against the #slackware policies [14:19] don't worry, people like jeev paste more offensive things [14:19] strash: nah. :) we do kind of like it if the links are too long to use something like tinurl. :) [14:19] and i also got a book called "linux Bible 2010" [14:19] strash : It is a good start, but it is far from being enough to become an administrator. Becoming an administrator requires a lot more than this. [14:20] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@192.188.48.254) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:20] crocket i know that,but i need to start from somewhere (having in mind i got a lot of windows but almost none linux experience) [14:20] strash: learn, read, break and fix stuff :) [14:20] MekMan_ (~Slackware@84.126.177.70.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:20] veritos (~veritos@207.155.204.151.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [14:20] strash : I see no problem in starting with http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html [14:20] good [14:20] crocket, that attitude is retarded. it's quite easy to learn as you go [14:21] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [14:21] strash : where to start depends on what you want to learn by the way. [14:21] i want to learn so much that i can make money from it [14:21] i hate my job now [14:21] and as a windows administrator - i don`t like it [14:21] strash : Then browse many areas and pick what you want. [14:22] my goal is RHCE certificate - but i realise i have to learn way a lot [14:22] a lot alot [14:22] hmm [14:22] Why do you want to become redhat manager? [14:22] because RHCE is really nice on your resume [14:22] doesn't matter if you use redhat or not [14:22] It is better to learn general stuff of unix. [14:23] hmm [14:23] RHCE certificate in bulgaria is equal to 90 % chance to get a job in the IT area [14:23] crocket: I've been a *nix admin for a few years now, believe me...companies like RHCEs [14:23] strash, do you live there? [14:23] Urugami (~AndChat@26.sub-174-245-130.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [14:23] Bulgaria [14:23] surrounder, I guess redhat linux is favored by companies. [14:24] i wish to have some knowledge and some documents to prove it ,after that i want to get some experience and go to UK or Germany [14:24] just like companies like MCSE, CC*A [14:24] crocket: doesn't matter, it shows you know your stuff [14:24] Some companies use FreeBSD, some use gentoo. [14:24] strash, so, why not try fedora or so? [14:24] surrounder, ok [14:24] thrice` fedora don`t work on my Laptop [14:24] or centos [14:24] strash: practice with some centos boxes [14:24] SIS don`t share their drivers [14:24] strash : admit that learning takes time. do you like learning unix? [14:24] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:24] i know [14:25] If you like learning linux/unix, you don't have to worry about RHCE. [14:25] crocket ,yeah i do like to learn and a lot to help people fix their systems [14:25] In my case, it's an addiction. [14:25] i just want the RHCE just to be able to get a nice job [14:25] crocket: dude, it'll help a lot [14:25] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A6BA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:25] no RHCE or Microsoft Certificate - no job [14:25] An addiction that makes me screw up at my job. [14:25] RHCE will help with an entry level job [14:26] ok [14:26] crocket: if its not a too personal question, how old are you? [14:26] sahko : 22 years and several months. [14:26] i know slack is way away from centos - linux basics are linux basics [14:26] 24 [14:26] crocket: btw i see you murrine submission was rejected. what was the reason? [14:26] sahko : linux makes me sleep late. [14:26] not when the exam says "which specific rpm flag does this?" [14:27] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [14:27] crocket -its not only you [14:27] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) joined ##slackware. [14:27] sahko : I didn't notify them that the original maintainer agreed to transfer maintenance to me. [14:27] sahko : I submitted again. [14:27] thrice` as far as i know RHCE exam is not "what is doing what " but "do this ,this and this,as you think you should" [14:27] crocket: ah ok, i told rworkman i allowed you to [14:28] crocket: after it was rejected the first time though [14:28] heheh [14:28] :) [14:28] sahko: slight miscommunication. He has submitted murine and it's in the pending queue [14:28] BP{k}: no miscommunication at all [14:28] It's under review, now. [14:28] well, i want to thank to all of you -the people who regularly help me to learn and fix my linux [14:29] i know sometimes my questions sound stupid or trivial but ... [14:30] Akuma (~Akuma@modemcable099.110-179-173.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:30] strash, Don't worry. my questions do, too. [14:31] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [14:31] crocket sometimes my questions sound so stupid -as how to close a program in windows XP [14:31] strash: even I have questions sometimes that sound stupid or trivial - just something I haven't learned yet or usually when I'm tired [14:32] alisonken1home i don`t believe it [14:32] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:32] strash: it's in the logs somewhere :) [14:32] alisonken1home -sometimes i can`t find the log :) [14:32] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.103.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:32] sahko: it's true! ;) [14:33] uhm [14:33] tabfail *headdesks* [14:33] tabfail! \o/ [14:33] When I'm sleepy, I make childish mistakes at work and take out bad aspects of coworkers. That's the moment I get to know what my coworkers are made of. [14:33] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.103.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:33] BP{k}: you mean with SBo, or between myself and crocket ? i meant the latter [14:33] So, you mean when you're tired, you make a lot of mistakes and blame your co-workers? [14:33] strash: see - even BP{k} knows [14:33] at least that's how I read it [14:33] Dominian: best excuse ever :) [14:34] sahko: with the miscommunication, i was referring between SBo and crockets submission of murrine [14:34] Dominian, no when I make a few bad mistakes, some coworkers blame me. [14:34] so what do you do for your living ? Is it connected with Computers ,servers,linux ? [14:34] BP{k}: ok, no objections then [14:34] crocket: well if you made the mistakes, you screwed up, you deserve the blame. [14:34] strash: sysadmin, mainly linux [14:34] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:34] They even try to make me think I owe them because I make a bad mistake that doesn't concern them. It really annoys. [14:34] now I work with a webhosting company - previously it was navy, elelctronics parts store, and guy that repairs radios and radio towers [14:35] They try to take from me for mistakes that don't concern them. [14:35] alisonken1home: ah cool, same here [14:35] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [14:35] I feel as if I became a slave. [14:35] surrounder ,did you have some kind of certification ?(in Bulgaria no certificate - no job, even if you are well experienced) [14:35] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [14:36] unless the company is making their own certificate (job interview with testing) [14:36] strash: no, only highschool... I was quite lucky that I can make a living out of my hobby (been using linux since I was 12) [14:36] surrounder: unfortunately, they decided debian was the way to work the system [14:36] alisonken1home: I'd kill for debian, we're running ubuntu 8.04 mainly [14:36] hehehe [14:36] ubuntu ? [14:36] why not CentOs [14:36] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.103.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:36] we used centos before, weren't really happy about it [14:37] is it so bad ? [14:37] slackers [14:37] BP{k}, when I am late at work or make stupid mistakes at work, they not only blame me but also try to make me run their errands. If I don't run their errands, they insult me. [14:37] I'm going to quit this job. [14:37] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.103.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:37] This is testing my patience. [14:37] strash: no it's great, just not for us [14:37] I know I should email but I don't feel like doing it right now but wanted to mention it (and not forgot about it!): mcelog should probably be included in slackware64 ( http://www.halobates.de/mcelog-manpage.html ), I was actually told by the kernel to use it (it was an *error* message, not a warning or some random thing: it was an advice from an error message) [14:37] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [14:37] It's way out of my capacity. [14:38] surrounder what linux distros have you used ? [14:38] My workplace is about to become extinct for such assholes. [14:38] Lots of people left already. [14:39] what is the salary -good ,bad normal ? [14:39] crocket: u seem disgruntled [14:39] The payment is low [14:39] low payment ,bad team = search for a new job [14:39] strash: more then you can count on 4 hands [14:39] They even make me work on sundays and national holidays [14:39] rworkman, any chance of getting the new Flash (with 64 bit support back, finally)? [14:39] crocket: who are you working for? [14:40] I work in a lab. [14:40] science lab or computer lab? [14:40] Many labs don't require much time, but some labs do. [14:40] sicnece [14:40] science [14:40] surrounder recommend me a book that will help me to achieve my goal ... [14:40] hoo you make lsd?? [14:40] veritos, check alienbob's repo [14:40] i say make a new distro: gruntware [14:40] veritos: since adobe is finally releasing a 64-bit that works, good chance soon [14:40] ah cool, maybe [14:40] foobarz, I'm very distressed [14:40] veritos: why not just install it yourself? [14:40] strash: uh, not the right person to ask that, I learned by reading tutorials and trying out stuff on my own [14:40] crocket: yeah me too, life is hell [14:41] rworkman, alisonken1home, thrice`, i manually put it in ~/.mozilla/plugins, it was just a matter of curiosity [14:41] foobarz, Look for a better workplace. [14:41] crocket: foobarz you do anything with linux professionally? [14:41] gniks : no [14:41] darn [14:42] veritos: new flash should be pushed out with next SBo update. [14:42] rafu (~rafu@127-226-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se) joined ##slackware. [14:42] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:42] i just use slackware in a purely unix fetish way [14:42] gniks : The boss made a coworker cry today. It was hard to see it. [14:42] I just use slackware in a purely desktop way myself [14:43] oh wow& that's really harsh [14:43] surrounder what should 1 sys administrator know to do his job without any problems ? (just the areas a sys administrator should know) [14:43] cry? hah [14:43] Actually it was a weep rather than a cry. [14:43] i use slackware in a server/desktop way, but linux pays my bills [14:43] strash: that's a very broad field. it wil ldepend on the systems. [14:43] gniks are you selling something ? [14:43] strash: a system admin is required to know everything about hte operation of linux [14:43] strash: no, im looking for someone to fill a stop on my team [14:43] auch [14:44] foobarz, what is purely unix fetish way? [14:44] gniks : enough of this shit, I'm formulating a way to quit this job as soon as possible. [14:44] strash: depends on the position [14:44] flickoo (~Unknown@122.161.85.213) joined ##slackware. [14:44] missionary is the common one [14:44] gniks: a system admin is supposed to know enough about how to work the current problems and get them fixed [14:44] well , in bulgaria nobody knows what a sys administrator should do [14:44] Dominian: missionary is the only _approved_ one :) [14:44] i was thinking to become a sys admin over servers or something like that [14:44] really didn't know much about webservers before I started at a webhosting company :P [14:44] Dominian: I thought sysadmins typically got bent over whatever was closest. that's what seems to happen to most I know. [14:44] alisonken1home: the problem could be anything& lets start with a kernel panic - go! [14:44] logia_th: high availability porn and games server i guess [14:45] FriedBob: Well, doesn thappen to me. [14:45] I guess I'm in the wron gfield! [14:45] gniks: what's the purpose of the system when the kernel panic happened? when was the last update? [14:45] flickoo (~Unknown@122.161.85.213) left irc: Client Quit [14:45] jga (~gajon@189.253.104.190) joined ##slackware. [14:45] Dominian: pron doesn't "happen" to anybody! you have to hunt for it [14:46] floggo (~Unknown@122.161.85.213) joined ##slackware. [14:46] porn on the other hand .... (or is it "IN the other hand?") [14:46] alisonken1home: standard apache web server, no updates in hte past few months [14:46] alisonken1home: lol [14:46] alisonken1home: it does feel like someone else [14:46] maybe in both hands [14:46] gniks: start looking at hardware failure or heat related issues - like is the temperature in the noc too high? [14:46] Nick change: cryptonoia_afk -> cryptonoia [14:47] Another question: will the local root exploit in IA32-on-amd64 mode result in a kernel update? [14:47] "pr0n" is the only possible spelling [14:47] alisonken1home: take physical issues out of the equation& no hardware issues, no DC issues [14:47] (had that happen when the a/c tripped due to power fluctuations not too long ago) [14:47] veritos: should [14:47] josemanuel (~josemanue@31.252.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [14:47] as far as i know sys admin -Hardware ,software and anything the boss doesn`t know ... [14:47] gniks: but they have to be considered since you didn't specify anything else [14:47] strash: this book is really good http://dickensurl.com/103eb/The_bearings_of_this_observation_lays_in_the_application_on_it [14:47] alisonken1home: yeah&. im ruling them out as you go ;) [14:47] sahko thanks for searching for me [14:48] you're welcome [14:48] veritos: if needed, you should recompile yourself: it'll always be the fastest way to get it [14:48] anyway, my point is, to be a sys admin& you need to learn as much as you can& as you are expected to know everything& your boss will expect this no matter your position [14:48] and without a console dump, it's hard to say unless it's a possible apache module issue when somone tries to hack the system [14:48] and learn how to google like the wind when you don't know something :p [14:49] or when someone has a reaaaaalllly bad php script [14:49] lol yeah& well you are at least on the right track [14:49] should a sysadmin be able to program in php ? [14:49] alisonken1home: you mean thrice a day? ;-) [14:49] strash: not necessarily - but it helps if you're maintaining web services [14:49] strash: I wouldn't say nessecary, probably perl or python would be more useful. [14:49] strash: php probably isn't a requirement but if you work in a web hosting type of environment, it will be valuable [14:49] lulz :p [14:50] asarch (~asarch@189.188.153.96) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:50] i know that Bash /shell scripting is more than needed [14:50] 20:44:49 alisonken : or when someone has a reaaaaalllly bad php script [14:50] adrien, yeah, i already recompiled and disabled IA32 mode [14:50] perl is the duct-tape of the internet and python is the backyard mechanics way of getting things done [14:50] alisonken1home: shoot the bastard [14:50] bash is the minimum [14:50] adrien, i am not using it anyway, so no real reason to keep it around [14:50] there are things you can't do in bash that python/perl will be needed for [14:50] gniks: sh is the minimum - knowing bashisms help immensely [14:51] sh is bashisms compatible [14:51] and I like python [14:51] i like python as well [14:51] veritos: yeah, will do it ;-) [14:51] gniks: nope - sh restricts bashisms [14:51] yeah, i haven't see anything that doesn't work [14:51] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [14:51] but not all iirc :P [14:51] i only appear on the internet on the internet [14:51] not all, but most (like bash arrays) [14:51] not to mention you should be using #!/bin/bash and not #!/bin/sh when you write bashisms anyway [14:51] and a few others [14:52] bash arrays are a poor excuse for a data structure [14:52] so ,which language is close to C++ (i have some basics in it ) -perl,python,php ? [14:52] but it's a shell, so acceptable excuse [14:52] perl and php are most like C++ [14:52] python [14:52] not really comparable imho [14:52] perl is a bowl of spaghetti [14:53] "I am 'aving oops" [14:53] python will accept C++ style syntax it will accept, but its space delimited unlike C++ and doesn't have things like switch case statements [14:53] php -is used mostly in web applications ,web sites ,etc. [14:53] what about perl ? [14:53] perl is perl [14:53] period [14:53] perl is randomly banging on your keyboard and remove the syntax errors afterwards [14:53] perl is C++ like as well, with added crap [14:53] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) joined ##slackware. [14:53] PHP ftw! [14:53] not even close - c++ has limits [14:53] Action: Dominian ducks [14:54] by the way after i learned something in C++ - i don`t like java ... [14:54] not many people really do [14:54] but the majority of browsers accept java [14:54] sadly i can`t say "I KNOW C++" or "i KNOW Java" [14:54] alisonken1home: browsers don't, java does [14:54] use flash, its better ;) [14:54] -.- [14:54] lawl [14:55] better Java than flash thats for sure [14:55] adaptr: most browsers know how to let java run from the weg [14:55] web [14:55] we are all retarded by nerdly computer languages [14:55] I know, I was being uncharacteristically pedantic! [14:55] can`t they make just 1 language .... [14:55] BVX (b@boringvx.stalker.fi) joined ##slackware. [14:55] strash: no, diversity is good [14:55] adaptr: might as well be, the rest are trying to be [14:55] strash: java would be that one language to muahaha etc. [14:56] surrounder - imagine 1 language that can do all the C++,java,python,perl,etc can do ? [14:56] all programmers will be able to work easily [14:56] strash: You mean C? [14:56] nah [14:56] strash: its called Visual Studio [14:56] hehe [14:56] Programmers wanted C, thats where the problems started [14:56] i used to use it [14:56] *hides* [14:56] me too, when i was in college [14:56] Because all of those programmers and their compilers were written in C. [14:56] but Visual studio does some things for the programmer [14:57] gniks: at least that's what ms wants you to believe :) [14:57] strash: all IDE's do things for the programers [14:57] jamesstanley (~james@cpc2-stav6-0-0-cust1435.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:57] eclipse <333 [14:57] alisonken1home: microsoft can blow me [14:57] floggo (~Unknown@122.161.85.213) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:57] :D [14:57] but also when something goes wrong - you can`t be sure -is it me or the VisualStudio [14:57] I want an IDE that can fetch me a new beer [14:57] right [14:57] programmers wanted c because they are vitamin deficient [14:57] esc meta alt control shift could prolly do that [14:57] surrounder: thats what interns are for [14:58] gniks: hehe [14:58] Vitamin C [14:58] is there any solution for linux/unix -that is close to the MS VisualStudio ? [14:58] hmm [14:58] perhaps eclipse or netbeans [14:58] eclipse ! [14:59] yeah, id say both of those are as close as you will come [14:59] twilight!! [14:59] strash: lazarus if you don't mind programming pascal [14:59] oh my [14:59] it's more like delphi though :P [14:59] Lazarus <222 [14:59] i used to program in pascal [14:59] back in high school, lol [14:59] surrounder: Object Pascal [14:59] how about KDevelop? [14:59] pascal is nice [14:59] indeed [14:59] ive done a pascal parser not in pascal tho [14:59] kdevelop seems poorly designed [14:59] in lisp c and prolog T_T [14:59] madbear: sweet :) [14:59] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:59] surrounder - i hated pascal ,just because i haven`t been teached as i should [15:00] relearn it strash [15:00] :p [15:00] after i started selfstudying C++ i realized how pascal works [15:00] i would say qtcreator [15:00] strash: qt creator <- nice shiat! [15:01] well, C++ could help me in sysadmin job ? [15:01] crocket (1000@112.214.154.58) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:01] ż [15:01] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [15:01] strash: no [15:01] it won`t ? [15:01] well ... [15:01] i can`t just erase it [15:01] that's no problem [15:01] never hurts to learn a new programming language [15:02] strash: knowing more languages is more a blessing then a curse really [15:02] bash/perl/python would help though [15:02] veritos (veritos@207.155.204.151.ptr.us.xo.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:02] by the way i managed to run my LAMP server (although i managed to run only this: strashniq.dyndns-blog.com) [15:02] its not a big deal ,but at least its published [15:02] knowing zsh might not be bad as well ^_^ [15:03] uuh [15:03] only whitespace, malebolge and brainfuck are important! [15:04] brainfuck ._. [15:04] surrounder can you access my page ? ( strashniq.dyndns-blog.com) [15:04] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malbolge [15:04] ^_^ [15:04] yup [15:05] strash: seems to work ok :) [15:05] yeah ,sadly i don`t remember what we were taught in school about html [15:05] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [15:06] strash: I don't know html either, totally not interested in layout [15:06] you can generate html [15:06] surrounder how ? [15:06] Is possible work as linux-unix sysadmin without a certificate? [15:06] logia_th: yes [15:07] DMBreathn (debian@unaffiliated/zErOaCid) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [15:07] logia_th: I hope so! [15:07] logia_th not in bulgaria (no RHCE-no job) [15:07] where? [15:07] i think its mostly window retards that uses certs? =D [15:07] logia_th: I'm working as a linux admin and I only have a highschool diploma [15:07] Action: C00re hides [15:07] DMBreathn (debian@unaffiliated/zErOaCid) joined ##slackware. [15:07] surrounder you are a lucky person [15:07] strash: you could use something like RoR or Django or whatever floats your boat [15:08] strash: I know [15:08] Action: dustybin pulls out the adaptr [15:08] DMBreathn (debian@unaffiliated/zErOaCid) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [15:08] surrounder - in this crisis - no certificate , no job ... [15:08] strash: depends really, here in .nl it's possible [15:08] sometimes even with the certificate you may not get the job [15:08] DMBreathn (debian@unaffiliated/zErOaCid) joined ##slackware. [15:08] DMBreathn (debian@unaffiliated/zErOaCid) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [15:08] surrounder i guess the companies are making their own testing ... [15:09] By the way in NL - the taxes are so high ! [15:09] surrounder: RoR? [15:09] Roin: ruby on rails [15:09] strash: ah well, could be worse [15:09] how much is the tax there - 40 % or more ? [15:09] DMBreathn (debian@unaffiliated/zErOaCid) joined ##slackware. [15:09] not sure, depends on your income [15:09] oh ok thx [15:10] in Bulgaria the salaries are low but if you work for foreighn company -our 10 % are nothin [15:11] surrounder how much do you get after taxes (if it`s not a secret ) ? [15:12] Slaxy (1000@ip70-174-66-150.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:12] strash: not that much, about eur 1400 [15:12] o_o [15:12] 1400 euros - omg that`s a salary [15:13] it's quite crappy for a linux admin in .nl to be honest [15:13] indeed [15:13] well i don`t work as sysadmin but i earn just 350 euros and that`s a nice salary [15:13] need to get my certifications in order and get a driving license [15:13] for Bulgaria [15:13] ah well, I can live comfortably [15:13] 1400 is good salary, Social security? [15:14] well life in bulgaria isnt as expensive as in nl as well [15:14] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-185-230.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:14] at least not as much as in germany afterall [15:14] hehhe [15:14] you can be amazed [15:14] Roin: when I go for another job I'll start at about 2500 before taxes [15:14] I see [15:15] surrounder -you should mention your 50% tax ... :) [15:15] I've been in bulgaria for two weeks, didnt need more than ¬50 and stilol [15:15] wuha [15:15] 650 euro is too much [15:15] Action: surrounder packs his backs for a nice holiday in bulgaria [15:15] still had some money in my pocket ;) [15:15] strash: can I crash on your couch? :P [15:15] haha [15:15] crash on my couch -what do you mean ? [15:16] you can come and visit me -it`s not a problem [15:16] cool \o/ [15:16] but i`m poor ,so don`t expect extras [15:16] I'll pay for the beer [15:16] :P [15:17] well you will need less than 50 euros for beer for a month(if you can drink more than 5 liters a day) [15:17] haha sweet [15:17] * less than 5 liters [15:17] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:17] but you will become an anonymous alcoholic :) [15:17] "become" ? :P [15:18] In the past moth I get 700 for work in the field..... [15:18] if you drink so much -you will [15:19] logia_th: where are you from ? [15:19] well i can`t say Bulgaria is a bad place ... [15:19] Spain [15:19] i just wish to have a european salary [15:19] *an [15:19] strash: dude, how long have you been talking for [15:19] logia_th: compańero!!! :) [15:19] 'european salary' is like saying 'asian food' [15:19] phrag -too much ,dude -too much ... [15:20] i came early this morning, you were chatting away... mid day, still chatting... and now =) [15:20] it can mean so many different things... [15:20] Q pasa MekMan_ buenas noches... [15:20] phrag - i come when i have some problems [15:20] dont we all =) [15:20] and i stayed for 40 min since my last problem [15:20] phrag, ananke oi oi! [15:20] what's a european salary? [15:20] FriedBob: heya 8o) [15:21] FriedBob: been awhile, hows it going ? [15:21] phrag: So so, unemployed still, but otherwise good. [15:21] phrag european salary is 900+ euros [15:21] i will live extremely well [15:22] strash: what makes it an 'european salary' besides the currency? [15:22] aN_ (aN_@1862035591.rec.megazon.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:22] ananke -you can`t get 200 euros (like my girlfriend) and expect everything to be ok [15:22] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:22] strash: again, what makes that salary somehow 'european'? [15:23] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [15:23] european = the salary peole from western europe get for their work after the taxes and so on ... [15:24] strash: ohh. so 'european salary' is now 'average western european salary after taxes'? :) [15:24] ananke -something like that [15:24] same as 'asian food' is only 'thai food, with rice' [15:24] i dont even know that [15:24] thai food - i never tried it ... [15:24] average, including labours and filthy rich? [15:25] strash: i hope you can see how absurd it is to use 'european salary' as a specific description for anything [15:25] labourers* [15:25] Urugami (~AndChat@26.sub-174-245-130.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:25] phrag i`m not talking about people with Mercedes SLK or Latest BMW [15:25] hobin (~hobin___@94.125.216.34) joined ##slackware. [15:25] they would be included in a eu average though, no? [15:25] ananke: I thought Asian food was americanized "Chinese" food. Breaded fried chicken w/ rice and some sort of sauce, celery a few veggies and sme peanuts or cashews. [15:26] FriedBob: general tso's chicken :) [15:26] FriedBob that food sounds not so tasty [15:26] as i know people who earn 14k, and others that earn 100k [15:26] Ł* [15:26] DMBreathn (debian@unaffiliated/zErOaCid) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [15:26] 100k is too much to be included in my "western salary" [15:27] 14 k is a nice one [15:27] The salary is not comparable without social security [15:27] ananke: For that class of food, General Tso's is my fav. that and Hunan or Kung Pao. Anything that'll make you sweat [15:27] strash: another thing is you have to include time period. salary per what? day, week, month, year? [15:28] we have a great hole-in-the-wall chinese place, with awesome food. their tso's is really good [15:28] ananke i work for 14k euros 5 years [15:28] I didn't read my buffer very carefully but it sounded like MarkT- was trying to modify a slackbuild and use it through sbopkg manually? [15:28] strash: so 14k per 5 years? that's 2.8k/year? [15:28] ananke -somewhere there (and my salary is above average-i work in MoD) [15:29] ouch [15:29] just for general info and if someone could tell him if he comes back, he needed to edit the SlackBuild in the tarball if he wasn't going to use the dialog interface [15:29] DMBreathn (debian@unaffiliated/zErOaCid) joined ##slackware. [15:29] DMBreathn (debian@unaffiliated/zErOaCid) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [15:30] strash: so you want 900/year? [15:30] 900 a month [15:30] 10k a year [15:30] but it sounded like he ended up using the dialog interface, so I guess it all worked out [15:30] 900 what, euro's ? [15:30] of course [15:30] i year!? [15:30] a* [15:30] lol, doubt it [15:30] thought 900 leva [15:30] 10k euros a year [15:31] Roin - no thanks [15:31] where do you live if i may ask? [15:31] its not enough [15:31] Bulgaria [15:31] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-59-181.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:31] well, or he could edit it and save it with an .sbopkg extension - either should work [15:31] strash: and you consider 10k euros/year an 'european salary'? that's silly. in big portion of western europe that wouldn't be enough [15:31] i see, well i guess salary is tightly linked to cost of living [15:32] mostly yes phrag :D [15:32] ananke -10k euros/year is enough for bulgaria [15:32] strash, Pay you a private health insurance? [15:32] logia_th -The MoD pays everything [15:32] if it costs 1 euro for a beer, compared to 5 euro a beer.. but the salary reflected that difference, where would you rather live? [15:32] i just pay the 10% tax [15:32] strash: no kidding. now you can see the absurdity of using such concept as 'european salary'. value of salary is relative to local costs of living [15:33] anake it`s not ike that [15:33] ananke how many people buy a brand new car in UK ? [15:33] and how many in Bulgaria [15:33] strash: not sure what your point is [15:34] even if you pay 5 euros per beer - you still have enough to live [15:35] have a nice evening pals [15:35] if you get 10k a year, and a beer costs 5.. your not getting very drunk that year =P [15:36] rafu (~rafu@127-226-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:36] haha [15:36] phrag i want 10k euro/year salary and 1 euro (the beer) [15:36] DMBreathn (debian@unaffiliated/zErOaCid) joined ##slackware. [15:36] GArik_ (~wesnoth@93-81-220-119.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:36] strash: sweet =) [15:36] and i want a pink pony [15:36] pink???? [15:36] why on earth do you want pink??? [15:36] Action: phoenix^ gets a pony, spray paints it pink, and delivers it to ananke. :) [15:36] netrixtardis: yes. pink. what, why can't i have my pink pony? [15:36] A shaved pony might look pink. [15:36] get it bedazzeled! [15:36] i want my cake and eat it too [15:36] netrixtardis: That way he knows it's a filly. [15:36] I just want a job. that pays more than min. [15:37] that`s why i want to work for a UK or US company in Bulgaria (getting 10-15k euro/year salary) and still living in Bg [15:37] Action: phrag secrectly swapped the spray paint with horse feremones [15:37] strash: good luck with that [15:37] rob0: how could you even think about something cruel like that :( [15:37] ananke i know some people who did this [15:37] Besides, he's already bought all the little pink cigars. [15:37] Roin: it wasn't me, it was ananke! [15:37] :) [15:37] strash (1000@vlan-156-sliven-108.comnet.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:38] seriously? [15:38] is Bulgaria that bad? 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[15:47] Action: logia_th Good night guys, be happy, thanks [15:47] logia_th (~nmo@81.39.39.77) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:53] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:54] Buggaboo (~Buggaboo@535316B2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:57] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [15:57] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) left irc: Quit: disconnecting. [15:59] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Client Quit [15:59] Action: adrien opens a bottle of beer [15:59] heh, he told us to be happy, right? :P [15:59] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [16:01] not you adrien [16:01] put down the beer and step away from the bottle [16:01] ZMR (~Who_cares@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:02] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-434822.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [16:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-434822.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[17:16] sdi (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/sdi) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:16] who maintains the kernel packages for slackware? [17:16] gniks: same person who maintains all of the other slackware packages [17:17] that is not true and not helpful [17:17] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.103.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:17] jaminja (~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:17] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-30-178-33.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:17] It is true [17:18] alienBOB: is patrick aware of the new 64bit kernel vulnerability with the 32bit ELF compatibility layer? [17:18] Yes [17:18] ok cool [17:18] eta on update? [17:18] No [17:19] hehe the race has begun, who will get an update out first, slackware or redhat :p [17:19] alienBOB: that's not true! :) [17:20] gniks: there is no race [17:20] i mean, even redhat has an eta for such patches [17:20] O yea? [17:20] no, not for you, its one in my head& [17:20] my money is on Snowball in the 5th... [17:21] sdi (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/sdi) joined ##slackware. [17:21] yeah, redhat said early this week it will be released& so that doesn't give us a day, but we at least know to expect it this week& and this is redhat who doesn't update anything [17:22] jaminja (~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja) joined ##slackware. [17:22] slackbuild, patch/reconfigure, recompile? [17:23] takes to long& im just turning off 32bit ELF support for now [17:23] not like i use 32bit binaries [17:23] a.out FTW! [17:24] lol [17:24] foldy (~foldy@mail.foldy.org) joined ##slackware. [17:24] do you really think it takes more time to: 1. (reconfigure/patch + recompile + install) than 2. (reconfigure/patch + recompile + install + upload package + wait for mirrors to propagate the update + wait for people to download the update + wait for people to update) ? [17:25] I doubt 2. can be faster [17:25] well since i don't run 32bit binaries, and i only have one slackware server to worry about& its faster for me to just wait and turn off the compromised features [17:27] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: _marc` [17:28] estranho (~estranho@187.14.136.216) joined ##slackware. [17:28] estranho (~estranho@187.14.136.216) left irc: Changing host [17:28] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [17:30] octave is a slow build too [17:30] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-30-178-33.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-30-178-33.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:37] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:37] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:48] I enter it and click "add" then enter everything and click ok but it never shows up on my list of LDAP servers.. it's always blank. [17:48] i believe there was an update to thunderbird for this problem [17:51] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:52] did a check for updates and it doesn't seem to find any.. think there is a specific patch? [17:55] ah nevermind.. there is a security patch.. I'll give that a shot [17:56] not sure how I missed that one.. [17:56] Urugami_phone (~AndChat@99.sub-97-3-194.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:56] Urugami (~AndChat@213.sub-97-199-77.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [17:58] night guys [17:58] arfon (~arfon@66.87.4.123) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:00] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:09] Razec (~razec@200-100-8-65.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:09] hmm still doesn't seem to let me add an LDAP server.. [18:12] Urugami (~AndChat@213.sub-97-199-77.myvzw.com) left irc: Quit: Bye [18:12] Urugami (~AndChat@213.sub-97-199-77.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [18:13] Nick change: phrag -> s0c [18:13] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-30-178-33.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:13] Nick change: WireWulf -> Cuan [18:18] ,\]78 [18:22] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:24] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:25] kloeri (~kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri) left irc: Ping timeout: 612 seconds [18:27] woh3 (~will@nv-71-2-72-53.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [18:27] Urugami (~AndChat@213.sub-97-199-77.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:27] woh3 (will@nv-71-2-72-53.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. 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[18:48] advantage is that it will go away after a reboot [18:48] of course, everything else is not an advantage [18:51] adaptr, if i have 256mb or less? you mean: 512 or more ... isnt it? [18:51] no, I meant what I said. it was aj oke [18:51] ok, very funny ... [18:52] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Quit: You Welcome to join my channel ##Iraqi [18:53] i just want to figure out if some files disappear in /tmp after some time. [18:53] M3no1ti0s (~M3no1ti0s@212.183.140.6) joined ##slackware. [18:53] ScreamerX: no. [18:53] jga (~gajon@189.253.104.190) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:53] adaptr: thx [18:53] it's a filesystem. it wold be quite bad if files "just disappeared" from it [18:54] ubuntu clears tmp during bootup [18:54] and how does that equate to "just disappears" ? [18:55] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-46-92.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:55] adaptr, my mac clears tmp on boot, i found out when i built something in /tmp (which required a patch), i got everything working, and never moved the patch out of /tmp, and then for some reason a while later i rebooted and cried [18:55] redhat/centos uses a tool called tmpwatch [18:56] having /tmp clear on boot in slack is a one-liner in rc.local [18:56] mancha, i know [18:56] i like having to manually remove things htough, i often leave things in places for months and need them later [18:57] tmpwatch deletes files if they are not accessed in a specified time. [18:57] i don't like all these nifty "you're no longer your box's admin" utilities. [19:00] GArik_ (~wesnoth@93-81-220-119.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:01] /dev/md0 28G 8.4G 18G 32% /tmp [19:02] I wish it were on tmpfs :P [19:04] being an admin doesn't mean you have to do things by hand. in fact, that's the opposite of administration [19:04] ananke++ [19:05] shonudo (user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [19:06] too bad /dev/adrien doesnt just disappear [19:06] actually that's quite incorrect. "to administer" is to be responsible for or to have charge of. certainly there is no implication about how automated or hands-on this management has to be [19:07] mancha: which in turn invalidates your earlier statement [19:07] no, again you've gotten a bit confused [19:07] mancha: keep on trying [19:08] so lets get back to your last comment...so we can settle it [19:08] 18:53 mancha> i don't like all these nifty "you're no longer your box's admin" utilities. [19:08] "in fact, that's the opposite of administration" is incorrect. [19:08] so your statement was invalid and inaccurate. [19:08] if that's your perspective, then your statement is also incorrect [19:08] it surely presents a point of view but nothing more than that. [19:09] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.220.127) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:09] administer comes from minister, which means care for [19:09] now... [19:09] truth is subject to the reality to the one that believes they are correct. [19:09] so y'all be sure to care for those systems, d'ya hear ? [19:09] if we take the issue to an extreme...which is good for these things... [19:09] M3no1ti0s (~M3no1ti0s@212.183.140.6) left irc: Quit: Quit Message [19:09] adaptr: get off my lawn! :) [19:10] Action: adaptr raises a placard [19:10] arnis (~arnis@62.122.16.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [19:10] say a box that is 100% automated, i.e. zero percent human involvement. it is hard to argue that you, as a human, "manage" the box. [19:10] mancha: if you wrote the automation, you cared for it. [19:10] who manages the automation? [19:10] mancha: and how did it get to that point? magic? self awarness? [19:10] someone surely monitors it. [19:10] adaptr, yes i would make exceptions for that [19:11] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.150.141) joined ##slackware. [19:11] agentc0re: the automated managed [19:11] r [19:11] ananke: I'm sorry, I cannot tell you that [19:11] but tmpwatch was not made by me or anyone here :) [19:11] my mind is going... [19:11] adrien: OH okay. So the automated manager manages the automation of autonomous automated servers. [19:11] wow that was a mouth full! [19:11] yeah, pretty much ;-) [19:12] agentc0re: say that out load 3 times fast. [19:12] hahah [19:12] FriedBob: heh, was just about to say that. [19:12] often it is useful in situations like these to consider extreme's (even though they might be currently unrealistic) because they help avoid falling into traps that happen when things move on spectrum [19:12] thatthatthat! [19:12] I can say it properly 1.1 times [19:12] adrien: lol [19:12] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:12] adrien: maybe you should find away to automate that. [19:13] i sensed that anake was struggling with the concepts so i moved to the corner case. [19:13] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.244) joined ##slackware. [19:13] Razec (~razec@200-100-8-65.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:13] agentc0re: sure: write a program that will automatically write the automation manager so it can be automated ;-) [19:14] mancha: that's pretty pathetic attempt to cover your own ineptitude [19:14] on a fun side note, i'm about to open a third sys admin position under me. yep, i don't know what administration is about [19:14] ananke it's not an attempt to cover anything, it is merely a genuine attempt at educating you. if you wish to be confrontational then this won't be productive. if you're willing to learn though, ping me. [19:15] that means nothing, the world is riddled with incompetent people holding jobs they shouldn't. [19:15] ananke: Where you at? I'm still looking and semi-willing to relocate at my expense. [19:15] not saying you're one of those, but brandishing your CV doesn't really provide much credibility in my view. [19:16] he wasn't [19:16] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [19:16] mancha: so far you haven't presented any convincing argument. if you want to educate others, you have a long way to go [19:17] wescotte (1000@east-quad-227-90.prowlnet.uwm.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:17] FriedBob: virginia. although it would be tough, i already have plenty of local people lined up, wanting to apply [19:17] like i said, you don't seem to be of the mindset to want to learn, rather you seem to prefer to butt heads. while some might enjoy butting heads i don't. if you're able to set aside ego issues and decide to learn, ping me. i'm often around and more than willing to lend a helping hand to those less knowledgable. [19:18] mancha: get back to me when you have been a system administrator. as far as i'm concerned, you have nothing more but text book education on this subject and little actual experience working in this field [19:18] ananke: that's a shame, I just left the baltimore area a few months ago. :/ [19:18] gotta go admin now :) [19:18] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [19:19] ananke: what part of VA are you from? [19:19] jgeboski: i'm not from any part of VA. i just happen to live here now :) [19:19] wow, that's pretty demeaning. Implying that ananke needs to learn from you means that you are self judging your education level above his which really is just subject to your own reality. He's also not the only one to butt heads, i think most of [19:19] what you've said is just been that directed towards him. [19:19] ah [19:19] oh he left. [19:20] the wieners, they were on the table, yes ? 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[20:50] so I just upgraded to 13.1 and I was looking at the hints file and found that my root drive will now be called sda instead of hda. The fix involved me hitting tab at the lilo prompt, however my box is headless/keyboardless. Anyone know a solution? [20:50] Gimped (~Gimped@c-98-248-193-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [20:51] NatureTM: upgraded to 13.1 from...? [20:51] 13.0 [20:51] NatureTM: 13.0 has the sdx convention too [20:51] NatureTM, did you check the file called CHANGES_AND_HINTS ? [20:51] Gimped (~Gimped@c-98-248-193-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:51] yeah, that's what I'm looking at. My root disk is hda [20:52] wrong, libata names it sda now [20:52] thrice`: didn't it do so since 13.0? [20:52] I don't think so [20:52] thrice`: last time my drive was called hda was 12.2, iirc [20:53] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) joined ##slackware. [20:53] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [20:53] BVX (b@boringvx.stalker.fi) joined ##slackware. [20:53] hmm well mine is hda @ 13.0 [20:53] now I installed 13.1 packages but I'm afraid to reboot [20:54] hints says I should reboot with old hda lilo and at lilo boot hit tab and change it there [20:54] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:54] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [20:56] hmm, it's like I can't run lilo install with the config saying sda cause it won't find sda [20:56] but if I leave it as hda it won't find the boot disk next boot [20:57] in other news, paladino: "cuomo doesn't have the cojones to debate me" [20:59] NatureTM: first you should leave lilo as hd* but update your fstab to sd*, then reboot. it should find the right drive. once you have rebooted to the new system with sda change lilo to use sda and rerub lilo [21:00] ok... here goes! [21:01] but first, AnTourter, should I just append root=/dev/sda1 to the kernel boot params? [21:01] I was just about to do that [21:02] yeah probably [21:02] ok... here goes! [21:03] or change that bit in lilo but not the boot=/dev/hd* [21:03] ok, that's what I did [21:04] basically when you run lilo it should install in hd* but pointing to what will be there afterward (ie sda) [21:04] yeah, I'll rerun changing that to sd* next [21:04] Action: NatureTM crosses fingers [21:04] it has been a while since I did it, so it is a bit fuzzy [21:05] once you managed to reboot and your system is all sd*, then you can change lilo to point to sd* every where [21:06] I know it all made sense in my head when I did it at the time, but it is all a bit fuzzy now [21:06] heh, I think it didn't work. hdd light not on [21:06] but I might have had a lilo menu delay [21:07] nm it's goin [21:08] nice [21:08] hba (~hba@189.130.159.68) joined ##slackware. [21:09] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:10] all working? [21:10] pottzie (~pottzie@pool-71-115-5-172.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:10] yeah I'm about to remodify lilo and reboot and I should be finished [21:11] faustphor (~faustphor@69.67.112.21) joined ##slackware. [21:11] you should not need to reboot after modifying lilo [21:11] if lilo runs fine after the modification you are good [21:11] yeah it's already installed on sda I guess [21:12] yup [21:12] kslen^^ (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [21:12] dTd (~dTd@d-206-53-68-12.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:12] glad this was painless [21:12] well it is slackware, what else did you expect:-) [21:12] Is there an update planned to patch the recent kernel exploit? [21:13] I wonder if I should remove root= from the kernel boot params [21:13] I might leave well enough alone [21:13] faustphor, probably at some point; Pat is hit or miss with security updates some times [21:14] well you need to tell lilo where the root is, so no [21:14] it used to not be there before I added it just for this upgrade [21:15] nm I just understood something [21:15] not even after the image = /boot/... bit? [21:15] zongo__ (~zongo@86-41-88-73-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] there actually is an entry for root = /dev/root [21:15] that seems weird [21:16] Ok. I would just upgrade the kernel by hand but I have been having problems using kernel versions past 2.6.33 [21:16] hmm weird indeed [21:16] dTd (~dTd@d-206-53-68-12.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:16] Nick change: Cuan -> Wulf-is-not-here [21:16] and I noticed it was a link to /dev/hda before [21:17] pottzie (~pottzie@pool-71-115-5-172.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:17] bootloaders are too complicated [21:17] grub2 I don't wanna touch [21:18] zongo_ (~zongo@86-45-131-224-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:20] faustphor (~faustphor@69.67.112.21) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:23] wow new grep [21:24] asarch (~asarch@189.188.146.164) joined ##slackware. [21:24] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [21:26] :o [21:26] woh3 (~woh3@nv-71-2-72-53.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [21:27] woh3 (woh3@nv-71-2-72-53.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. 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[21:52] I went there and switched that pic with a different 1 but it still shows up as the same pic [21:53] newslacker: did you execute lilo after that? [21:53] wouldnt rebooting do the same thing ? [21:54] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488F337.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] newslacker: no. [21:54] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [21:56] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [21:57] now it says unsupported bitmap [21:57] goj (~goj@p4FE6B86F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:57] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:58] cryptic0_ (~cryptic0@r74-192-29-7.bcstcmta01.clsttx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:00] artaud_ (~artaud@187.59.245.168) joined ##slackware. [22:01] newslacker: check this http://www.princessleia.com/liloSplash.php [22:02] cryptic0_ (~cryptic0@r74-192-29-7.bcstcmta01.clsttx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:03] artaud_ (~artaud@187.59.245.168) left irc: Client Quit [22:03] artaud_ (~artaud@187.59.245.168) joined ##slackware. [22:03] cryptic0_ (~cryptic0@r74-192-29-7.bcstcmta01.clsttx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [22:03] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [22:03] NatureTM (~a@unaffiliated/naturetm) left irc: [22:04] Nick change: frk -> freack [22:04] freack (~jcn@189.58.218.227.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [22:04] freack (~jcn@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [22:04] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [22:06] Nick change: cryptic0_ -> cryptic0 [22:07] ahhh I didnt go to mode then index [22:07] mbohun (~mbohun@eth649.act.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [22:08] alright thanks for all the help im gonna reboot and see how it looks wish me luck [22:09] newslacker (root@207-119-200-122.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware. [22:09] There is a guy in the #mac channel who is arguing with me that it never makes sense to use shell. Basically he is saying shell should be obsolete, it's not worth it. I am laughing all the way to the dinner table. [22:10] mbohun (~mbohun@eth649.act.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:13] cryptic0: he's right, shell is for l0053rz \/\/17h0u7 11v3, thats why gtkr4p and q7cr4p exists in l33nUx... 3434343!!111!! [22:14] kwabbles (~kwabbles@cpe-75-83-81-202.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:14] s4lv4d0r (1000@190.74.58.93) joined ##slackware. [22:14] newslacker (~root@207-119-200-122.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:14] YAY it worked!! Slackware is so awesome [22:15] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-95-12-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:16] newslacker: :) [22:17] does everyone think that there's enough of a community to support slackware if BDFL stopped maintaining it? [22:17] what do you think would happen? [22:17] kwabbles: Probably and as far as I know there are contingency plans in place. [22:18] I wonder why i didnt see the penguin logo as an image in the boot folder . [22:18] BP{k}: yeah i hope so - i was wondering today what i would do if slack went away [22:18] thanks erik [22:18] tried Arch today and couldn't stomach it [22:20] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-95-12-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [22:20] I dont see slack going away for a very long time. To many slackware users are extremely skilled with it compared to the other linux versions ive seen. [22:20] The framebuffer console penguin logo is compiled into the kernel. [22:21] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [22:21] CONFIG_LOGO* [22:23] newslacker: there is still a big user base too, and there's really still no distro quite like it [22:23] i think what prevents linux from wider adoption is the penguin logo [22:23] are you serious? [22:23] noone really likes penguins [22:23] i mean really like em. like dogs. people adore dogs [22:23] anyone who doesn't like penguins has a screw loose [22:24] how the hell can you not like penguins [22:24] whats to like? [22:24] So i would have to go into the kernal in order to change the logo image ? [22:24] they're penguins [22:24] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-227-37-51.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] they waddle and stuff [22:24] and play [22:25] and flap their little wings [22:25] mbohun (~mbohun@eth649.act.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [22:25] but deep down they're hardcore cause they chill in the antarctic [22:25] like its nothing [22:25] Hey i like the penguin logo's but to be honest i like the look of the freebsd mascot better tho. But slackware kicks ass :P [22:26] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::72e1) joined ##slackware. [22:27] no matter what - whenever I turn on my laptop and see tux there smiling at me while the scripts load I feel all warm and fuzzy inside. it's like comfort food. [22:27] reminds me of happier times [22:29] drugs? [22:29] yeah [22:33] artaud_ (~artaud@187.59.245.168) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:33] artaud (~artaud@187.59.245.168) joined ##slackware. [22:33] artaud (~artaud@187.59.245.168) left irc: Changing host [22:33] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [22:34] brianw (~kisea@c-69-254-170-3.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:38] so i would have to recompile my kernal some how in order to change the tux logo then I take it [22:39] Nick change: WireWulf -> Wulf-is-not-here [22:46] arnis (~arnis@62.122.16.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [22:46] arnis (~arnis@62.122.16.30) joined ##slackware. [22:46] fb|jean (~champus@s15224318.onlinehome-server.info) left irc: Quit: Serverwechsel [22:47] fb|jean (~champus@s15224318.onlinehome-server.info) joined ##slackware. [22:52] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [22:53] Jedman (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/jedman) joined ##slackware. [22:54] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:54] newslacker: yup [22:56] newslacker: it's "kernel", not "kernal", by the way [22:56] ya i realised that after i typed it [22:57] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-95-12-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:57] Mixmax (~Mixmax@h156n2fls32o256.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [22:57] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@*n2fls32o256.telia.com' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [22:57] Mixmax kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Lamelentix|Hopsa|magnus_swe|hopsington|stalkerdude, you're still not welcome here. [22:59] sitwon (~adam@pool-108-18-101-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:00] Never recompiled a kernel before not sure if trying to change a logo is worth a chance of crashing everything lol [23:07] Alright now i have a good question for people. I know how to do it in windows but not in linux. How do you shrink your partition down to make another partition without damaging the os on the partition. In windows you can just defrag the drive pushing everything to the front of the partition and then just cut the size to anything above the size of the os and it will work just fine. But how do you do that in slackware since i dont ev [23:08] i use gparted livecd for stuff like that [23:08] i have used [23:09] kwabbles (~kwabbles@cpe-75-83-81-202.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:11] freack (~jcn@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:11] newslacker: check "System Rescue CD", it has gparted to do that kind of work. [23:12] gparted will push the os to the front of the partition so i can shrink the size without damaging it ? [23:12] dTd (~dTd@d-206-53-68-12.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [23:13] but step 1 is backup :P [23:14] k [23:16] Someone told me that i can just throw in drivers in the system for a new system i want to install the os into then tar up the entire os and just move the file over to a partition on a new system and it will work without having to reinstall everything. Would that really work ? [23:17] yea [23:19] I guess i could also use that method to make a backup for my system . If my os ever died i could just make the backup drive bootable and have a fresh copy of everything running till i can fix the problem. [23:19] If you could "fix the problem", you wouldn't need a backup copy of the whole drive... [23:20] all you really need to backup is your home dir [23:22] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:22] I was talking about for situations where you need the system to work normally right now and you dont have time to do all the work to fix the problem . Like a server where you cant let the system stay down for long [23:22] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [23:24] ZMR (~Who_cares@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [23:27] asarch (~asarch@189.188.146.164) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:27] asarch (~asarch@189.188.146.164) joined ##slackware. [23:30] sunzofman (~sunzofman@c-69-246-40-165.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:34] kwabbles (~kwabbles@cpe-75-83-81-202.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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