[00:00] Old_Fogie: oh you should've [00:00] hahah [00:00] Old_Fogie: that's classic [00:00] was around 3 am EST or so [00:00] Action: edman007 looks [00:00] I dont have loggage here [00:00] Old_Fogie: That would have been perfect noobfarm material. [00:00] Old_Fogie: I do. :P [00:00] I think it was like 3 am or so [00:00] iirc [00:00] Action: firebird619 looks in his logs. [00:00] hehe I hav elogs going back for MONTHS [00:01] H4ck3r_ (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:02] Ah yes, it was hughszg. :) [00:03] hah [00:03] I need to change the captcha out to reCAPTCHA too [00:03] firebird619, oh you found it? [00:03] but that's for another day [00:03] Old_Fogie: Yup. [00:03] funny right :) [00:03] Old_Fogie: You were about right in time. 2:28 AM when he first asked. [00:03] CDT time that is. [00:03] I ain't just a hat rack you know :) [00:04] lol [00:05] Old_Fogie: Here's from my logs. http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/12817 [00:06] Action: edman007 sees nothing in his logs :( [00:06] this was today? [00:06] Yesterday. [00:06] Well, after midnight so today I guess. [00:06] the next thing on noobfarm to change.. we are going to change the sort by stuff [00:07] It was under my 4.19.09 logs. [00:07] make it drop downs I think like the quotes per page [00:07] firebird619, yeah hahah, that's good stuff man, lol [00:07] Yes, it is. [00:08] i found it! [00:08] 3:29am! [00:08] say it in UTC so we can all understand [00:08] :P [00:08] How can I use shell script to detect which one is newer(based on modified time) between 2 files? [00:09] H4ck3r_: diff [00:09] hrm [00:09] wait [00:09] See what I gotta put up with late in the night when you guys/gals gone to bed. I used to have edman here, but now he's a Daywalker too, now I'm left alone with people that wanna config wireless in virtual slack hosts in windows [00:09] I dunno [00:09] diff ? [00:09] Dominian: hi [00:09] Old_Fogie: pfft hahahah [00:09] Old_Fogie: haha [00:10] Dominian [00:10] H4ck3r_: thinking [00:10] yosii: hello [00:10] yes [00:10] i'm just wondering [00:10] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:10] TriniTuX (n=clayton@cuscon127631.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [00:10] we can't use diif [00:10] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:10] Dominian: was going to thank you again for libphat [00:10] are the files the seame name? [00:10] yosii: oh you're weelcome.. everything working? [00:11] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:11] Heya yosii. How's it going? [00:11] Dominian: yeah...i went back to 32 bit, but everything working(waiting until i have a box with more mem to grab slamd again) [00:11] firebird619: it's good [00:11] hehe [00:11] yosii: well the scripts will be in the repo when you need 'em [00:11] Old_Fogie, i'm not a daywalker, i've just been spending the last 2 hours or so of being awake watching TV and resting [00:11] Floops (n=baihu@gw.tb.bb.floops.info) left irc: Connection timed out [00:11] Dominian: yeah, thanks [00:11] rest when you die! :) [00:11] still going to sleep at 4am [00:11] heh [00:12] or at least until I get direct access to the builds repo [00:12] got a few more to push and waiting to work on more until getting reg updates [00:12] waiting on my shipment in the morning [00:12] Action: edman007 checks if mythtv recorded anything good today [00:12] about 1000 UTC-5 [00:14] stillbor1 (n=stillbor@MYCMXXII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:14] TheSecret (n=AusLoki@f053042045.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware. [00:17] evening all [00:17] oy [00:17] oi? [00:17] evening agentc0re. How are you? [00:17] I dunno how 2 spell it :) [00:17] H4ck3r (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:18] Old_Fogie: It's oi. :) [00:18] ah thank you :) [00:18] yw [00:18] this console kit stuff is a complete mess [00:19] the future of hal has become bloat if this is how this is supposed to work now :( [00:20] this versions eating up like 60 meg of ram on my , good grief [00:21] firebird619: Tired. [00:21] firebird619: i came home and passed out, just woke up. it's about 10pm, and i gotta go back to bed. :P [00:21] firebird619: I had to eat something though. [00:23] firebird619: actually, oy or oi are both acceptable [00:23] yosii, is it? ok [00:23] Old_Fogie: oui! :D [00:23] OUI OUI OUI! [00:23] yosii: since it was first written in a non-roman alephbet [00:24] yosii: Oh really? I just knew/and looked up for confirmation, that oi is the slang term for hey. [00:24] and oy is a shortened form of oy vey or oy gevalt [00:24] oi is also a British style of music. [00:24] no it's australian, no slang :) [00:24] yosii: Ah, that's right. thanks. [00:24] which is occasionally spelled oi [00:25] Old_Fogie: I googled and one of the results was a slang term for hey. :) It's a universal word for many things I guess. [00:26] yosii: I was reading to oi vey is another way of saying oy vey. It's official, either one will be accepted. :P [00:26] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:28] firebird619: :) [00:28] It can get confusing some times how to spell things. [00:29] DeiBellum (n=rwaters@dhcp132159.salley.fsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [00:29] firebird619: any jewish words will have multiple possible spellings, whether the words are hebrew, yiddish, or ladino [00:29] yeah, true. :) It all works. [00:29] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [00:30] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:30] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [00:30] Hej yosii [00:30] That's Danish for Hello yosii. [00:30] i need to config xterms to be utf-8 with iso 8859-8 support [00:31] firebird619: i figured [00:31] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:31] northern european languages are similar [00:31] my name, translated for northern europe, would be jos [00:31] or jesse [00:31] I'm part scandinavian. Even in Denmark, there's like an upper and lower danish, so in different parts of Denmark, it's said a little different. [00:32] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [00:32] Kølig [00:32] or cool. :P [00:33] Action: edman007 is part Scandinavian [00:33] edman007: really? cool. [00:33] Action: yosii is sabra and osage [00:34] yea..my grandma is sweedish..name was johonson (pronounced something like that anyways) or something and changed it to Johnson when they came to the US [00:34] firebird619: that is arguable [00:35] firebird619: id say "kølig" is closer to "chilly" [00:35] Hey macavity. How are you? Oh yeah, you live in Denmark, right? [00:35] yup :P [00:35] macavity: I probably remembered it wrong. I only know a few things. [00:36] the problem is that danish lacks quite a few words.. [00:36] kølig doesnt cut it.. but you cant really get closer than that anyhow [00:36] frullet (n=Bob@124-168-168-79.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:36] macavity: Was I right where there's like an upper and lower danish? That's what I've been told. [00:36] macavity, what's k0lig mean? [00:37] oh above ,nm [00:38] macavity: Is counting along the lines of yen tau trea fea? (I butchered the spelling I'm sure.) [00:38] I can pronounce it, just not spell it. :P Well, I think I pronounce it right. [00:39] Old_Fogie: you know any bits or pieces of other languages? [00:39] sum dum guy [00:39] channa (n=channa@76.89.178.99) left irc: "Leaving" [00:39] :D [00:39] lol [00:39] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:39] firebird619: that sounds like japanese to me.. [00:39] and the one from that movie, sucky f*cky :) [00:39] won hung lo...vietnamese? [00:39] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@161.100.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [00:40] Yes, I'm a Man of the World [00:40] macavity: really? How do you count in danish then? [00:40] aaah [00:40] ok, someone was trying to pull your leg then.. that is in the older dialect of nothern Jutland [00:41] lulz [00:41] yes, i can speak that dialect too [00:41] it is spelled "en to tre fire" [00:41] I just googled counting in danish and got: EN, TO, TRE, FIRE, FEM, SEKS, SYV... [00:41] macavity: Yes, like I said, I butchered the spelling. [00:41] :P [00:41] .... but NOT pronounced like that according to english rules [00:41] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [00:42] macavity, c4|\| |_| s34|< 1337? [00:42] edman007: gesundheit [00:42] macavity: No, I think I know how to pronounce it, I just couldn't spell it. Well, I can pronounce it the way I was taught anyway. [00:42] i win! [00:43] edman007: yes you do, no contest. :P [00:43] firebird619: trust me.. if you think "en" is pronounced "yen" it was in Jut [00:43] firebird619, its easy, numbers are always pronounced exactly the same as they are pronounced in english, for all languages [00:44] english is a great language, its the only one that everyone understand if you just say it a bit louder [00:44] s/understand/understands/ [00:44] macavity: I trust you, I was just going by what I was taught, which was by my mom who learned from her mom. [00:45] ah, right.. that explains it perfectly [00:48] stillbor1 (n=stillbor@YKMMCLXXVIII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [00:50] bijit (n=benji@200.122.188.156) joined ##slackware. [00:52] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [00:53] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [00:55] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. 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[01:07] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:09] Old_Fogie, it's not listed as supported though do you think my creative zen would run rockbox? [01:10] mrselfpwn: If it's not listed, more than likely not. [01:11] yeah bummer [01:11] meep meep [01:11] mrselfpwn: I know. I have one player that supports it and it is pretty much dead now. Rockbox is awesome. [01:11] nix_chix0r: Hello. How are you? How's the baby? [01:12] yeah, i'd like to try it [01:12] yeah hi firebird619 . i'm alright just put the baby down he's good and fed [01:12] you [01:12] I'm doing great. Thank you. [01:12] told the hubby about me being locked out pantless and he laughed for a good 40minutes [01:13] that'll teach you to wear pants [01:13] haha. Did you scold him about locking the door? [01:13] cmk_zzz (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:14] zxh (n=red@218.26.164.24) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:14] yes and i said we need spare keeps asap [01:16] sweet, new Sansa clip firmware fixes the .flac tag bug of not displaying the tags. [01:17] yxz97 (n=jose@201.194.46.86) joined ##slackware. [01:20] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [01:22] good, my other mp3 is under warrenty yet. Old_Fogie I can probably get the bad one replaced. :) [01:22] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:22] ah that's good. [01:22] welp, off to bed, night night all [01:22] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [01:22] Old_Fogie: Yes, sure is. [01:22] Good Night [01:25] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:25] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:26] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [01:26] yxz97 (n=jose@201.194.46.86) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:28] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [01:29] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:29] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:30] i took these without a tripod but i tried to stitch them together anyway. still kind of nice http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/combined.jpg [01:30] Hi nullboy. How are you? [01:30] all good [01:30] Wow, that turned out nice. [01:31] warped but still pretty cool [01:31] Did you use hugin to stich them? [01:31] i did it by hand in GIMP [01:31] pretty good [01:31] nullboy: Good job. :) [01:31] thanks guys [01:32] next time i'll remember a tripod ;) [01:32] nullboy: I have one camera that stitches them together in the camera, they always end up a little warped. It's hard to stitch them together. [01:32] yeah, i think all lenses warp a little no matter what [01:32] Well, hard to get them lined up right. [01:33] nullboy: What camera do you use? [01:33] just an old 5MP Kodak [01:33] Oh, without tripod, you sure have a steady hand. :) [01:33] haha [01:34] I love photography. I have about 6-7 cameras. Newest being a gift from Christmas. Samsung BL103 10 MP. [01:34] dang, 10MP [01:34] haha, yeah. It's nice. [01:34] I have the XT Rebel [01:34] I bought in 06 [01:34] if one day you feel you have too many cameras, feel also free to send me one :) [01:34] lol [01:34] heh [01:35] mrselfpwn: nice. I have all point-and-shoot pocket-sized cameras, but they work great. I love this Samsung one. [01:35] Camarade_Tux: I like keeping all of them because some have features others don't, but I'll keep you in mind. :) [01:35] yes, it's not practical to carry the rebel everywhere [01:35] mrselfpwn: No, and I carry my camera with everywhere I go. [01:36] I should use mine more. [01:37] mrselfpwn: I just was taking pictures of the clouds today. Nothing spectacular, but I take alot pictures. [01:37] right [01:37] I stay indoors on this har computard too much. [01:38] clamshell (n=Prem@210.211.128.220) joined ##slackware. [01:38] firebird619, thanks :p [01:38] mrselfpwn: Yes, you should start using it more, especially if you have an XT Rebel, don't let it go to waste. :) [01:38] yw. :) [01:38] yes, [01:38] their are 2 small specs on the cmos and i need to send it to get it cleaned and it annoys me [01:39] i have 1 year left on the Ext. Warrenty [01:39] mrselfpwn: that's to bad. Do they show up real well on pictures. [01:39] No, not very noticable. [01:40] noticeable* [01:40] well that's good. :) [01:40] At least there not huge blobs. [01:40] right [01:40] and Gimp would take them out easily. [01:41] mrselfpwn: Yes, it would. I have a graphics tablet, works wonderfully when editing photos. [01:41] so much easier to make fine tune adjustments, etc. [01:41] I have some good ones of some big Iguanas I took in cuba. I'm thinking of enhancing the color and making some Suse wallpapers for -look.org [01:41] mrselfpwn: That would be cool. [01:42] yeah [01:43] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 mph, you're gonna see some serious shit." [01:43] I like getting creative with photos, removing colors, etc. It makes for more interesting pictures. [01:43] yes [01:44] I wonder what a 2 bit color iguana would look like. OO [01:44] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [01:44] lol [01:44] Action: mrselfpwn opens gimp. [01:44] it would look a lot like th opensuse logo... [01:45] depending on what the 2 colors were I guess [01:45] blue and red ? >< [01:46] lol [01:48] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.58) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:49] superGear (i=supergea@97-118-37-182.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [01:50] red's one of my favorite colors. :P [01:50] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-152-240.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:51] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [01:51] gah, have to leave for school, laterz [01:51] I remember the atlanta linux expo in like 1999, the redhat people had got them to lay down red carpet in the area around their booth, so suse (wasn't opensuse back then) got green all around their booth... [01:52] convention center's original carpet was blue, so all 3 primary colors were represented... [01:53] cmk_zzz (n=martink@125-237-113-10.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [01:53] heh [01:53] lf4 (n=KJR@71.199.22.31) left irc: "leaving" [01:54] How's it going Urchlay? [01:55] dunno, kinda *blah* this evening [01:55] that's to bad. [01:56] I'll live [01:56] mrselfpwn: So you have this one: http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=11154 [01:56] Urchlay: well that's good to hear. [01:56] Yep, the black one. [01:56] Nice, any extra lenses or any gear? I'm just curious. :) [01:57] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [01:59] Yes, it was a package deal. It comes with 2 lenses. One goes up to 300 and the other is the standard 18-57 or something close. 3 filters (UV, Polarized, and Flourecent), wide angle lens attachment, back bigger battery, trypod, and a 6GB cf card. [01:59] mrselfpwn: One neat feature of my camera is it has a motion timer, as soon as the subject stops for a few seconds, it takes the picture. I haven't tried that out yet though. [01:59] pod, or not pod. There is no trypod... [01:59] tripod [01:59] [01:59] Urchlay: lol [02:00] mrselfpwn: Nice, you really should start using it more. :P [02:00] Trypod Expresso [02:00] :) [02:00] s/back/bag also [02:01] and fluorescent was spelled wrong. [02:01] oh, I wasn't trying to be anal about spelling, just thought "trypod" looked weird [02:01] lol, yeah i know [02:01] like it ought to be a word, and mean something [02:01] i was being anal lol [02:02] trypod = a tripod that didn't quite make the cut. :P [02:02] lmao [02:02] like it's maybe someone's attempt at making a homebrew portable mp3 player... the tryPod [02:02] haha, yeah. [02:02] It also came with a flash that is not compatible with the camera. Oo [02:03] lol tryPod [02:03] mrselfpwn: It came with a flash that *didn't* work with the camera. What's that about. :P [02:03] actually maybe you guys know... what's a good alternative to the ipod, for someone non-technical, who wants to be able to pay per-track to download songs? (this is my dad I'm talking about) [02:03] Yeah, that is what I said. [02:04] does only Slackware use /etc/rc.d/? I wrote a file called rc.boinc, but it would be nice if it was included in BOINC or if there is a Slackware package. [02:04] Urchlay: I'm not sure, I use a Sansa Clip that I love, not near comparable to an ipod though. Rhapsody maybe? Emusic? [02:04] I never messed with portable mp3 players much, unless you count using a laptop in my car [02:05] mrselfpwn: Did you get it straight from canon or from a store? [02:05] It was a Ebay Store. [02:05] Ah, ok. [02:05] yeah, i paid 153 dollars for the 3 year extended warrenty. [02:05] warranty [02:05] dchmelik: usually, rc scripts are up to the packager; that being either the distribution packager or the software packager [02:06] aka: you! lol [02:08] dchmelik: all (or maybe almost all) Linux distributions use /etc/rc.d, but what's inside that directory varies pretty wildly [02:08] What color lipstick goes good on iguana? [02:08] what color did you make the iguana? [02:08] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [02:08] probably will make him greener [02:09] dark purple goth lipstick [02:09] maybe neon graffiti iguana. [02:09] maybe some eyeliner and a pierced nose [02:09] oooo [02:09] i like it [02:09] a Goth Iguana. [02:09] or emo? [02:10] I guess I should just post it on the BOINC forum then. [02:10] not sure what the difference is between goth and emo, as far as looks are concerned [02:10] Emos have more scars. [02:10] troys (n=troys@68.165.100.2) joined ##slackware. [02:10] dchmelik: if it's useful for more than one distro, probably a good idea [02:11] it is [02:11] same script could work on e.g. slackware, redhat, and debian, but it'd have a different filename on each (contents can be the same, if you're a bit careful) [02:12] would it not be called rc.boinc on all then? I just do not know what to call the post if that is the case.... [02:12] /etc/rc.d/rc.whatever (slack), /etc/init.d/whatever (deb), /etc/rc.d/init.d/whatever (redhat) [02:12] I will not be able to be laconic [02:12] make the subject of your post "boinc init script" or something [02:13] "I was laconic once, in flight school" [02:13] emo is to goth as masochist is to sadists. [02:13] sergio (n=Sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) left irc: "..." [02:13] yeah... I guess the only other file in there is init.d [02:13] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [02:13] init.d ought to be a directory... [02:14] if it's not, you probably ran "make install" and some silly makefile went "cp something /etc/init.d" without checking that /etc/init.d existed first... [02:15] Action: Urchlay was once guilty of writing such a broken Makefile [02:15] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:15] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:17] Do most you guys run Slackware on a fast P4? I was doing that for a while but I do not recall if it was fast. [02:18] dchmelik: I run slackware on a P4 3.2 GHz [02:18] i have it on a P4HT 3.0ghz as a fileserver [02:19] works great [02:19] oh, mine's ht too. I just know it runs fast and works great too. :) [02:19] that sounds good... I did not recall P4s went up to that speed... for main day-to-day use I have been using Slamd64... but it is fun to make some extra systems with standard Slackware [02:20] cmk_zzz (n=martink@125-237-113-10.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:22] dchmelik: you can always use moderately powered systems like these P4's for distcc [02:23] yeah... I have a bunch of P3s, but KDE seemed slow on those... of course it is unnecessary for distcc. [02:25] frullet (n=Bob@124-168-168-79.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:27] duryodha1 (n=duryodha@nat/yahoo/x-6f3dd71005b65622) joined ##slackware. [02:28] duryodha1 (n=duryodha@nat/yahoo/x-6f3dd71005b65622) left irc: Client Quit [02:28] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) left irc: "leaving" [02:30] chopp: warning: that freeradius build script seems to have made a mess on my system without even installing the package [02:33] I've often wondered how possible it would be to get a malicous build script onto SBo [02:34] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [02:34] not that I would want to it. But I usually don't pick over the build scripts line by line before running them so I probably wouldn't catch it doing something bad until it was too late [02:35] you can try achieving it.. [02:35] sahko: the point is I don't want to do it, I'm worried about other people doing it [02:36] sitwon: onto SBo, very difficult [02:36] i would expect that the ones approving the scripts, execute em, or at least diff em with the previous version if any [02:36] or read them thoroughly [02:38] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.112.228.221) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:41] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left ##slackware ("out."). [02:41] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) joined ##slackware. [02:42] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [02:43] this one owned me [02:43] but it wasn't from SBo [02:43] and my dumbass didn't audit it this time because i was being hasty [02:43] lol, did you learn a lesson now nullboy. :P [02:44] http://lwn.net/Articles/327141/ [02:45] what do you mean it owned you? I thought it just messed up your sys [02:46] but i can get out of this. I just rsync'd my system to my server as a backup so i have a full list of files changed since my last backup [02:46] i can see everything the build did [02:51] Thursap (n=bnguyen@118.71.110.203) joined ##slackware. [02:51] how to know bus speed of RAM? [02:52] read part number, type into google? [02:53] i mean, is there a command to know it? [02:53] not that I know of, but maybe... [02:54] actually there might be 2 different speeds you want to know: the speed the memory is rated for, and the speed it's actually running at (which are normally the same, but don't always have to be) [02:54] no no [02:54] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:54] dmidecode [02:55] sudo dmidecode -t Memory [02:55] like that [02:56] that's awesome [02:57] dmidecode... see, I never heard of that, so I was telling the truth :) [02:57] lee555J5 (n=lee@24-178-190-45.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:57] lol [02:58] neat [02:58] nullboy, Urchlay: but in my case, at the "Speed" parameter, it shows: "Unknown" :( [02:58] useful... shows supported speeds reported by each stick, but doesn't actually say what speed it's running at [02:59] oh, wait, yes it does [02:59] Current Speed: 10 ns [03:00] lol [03:01] 10ns would be 100 million whats per second? not reads or writes... [03:01] that means you get to still use dmidecode....to write down the model numbers [03:01] Thursap: you might want lshw, which is available at sbo. run it as root. [03:02] heh, dmidecode doesn't seem to be showing me any model numbers [03:03] man you guys have some strange systems [03:03] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/12820 [03:04] Manufacturer: None [03:05] serial number, asset tag, and part number are all also None [03:05] also Speed: Unknown [03:05] file a bug report [03:05] against dmidecode, my motherboard, or my ram? :) [03:06] well i'm on a Dell D620 which is one of the most linux friendly laptops known to man [03:06] hm, my laptop's not doing any better, Speed: Unknown and no manufacturer/part/serial# fields at all (not even ones that say None) [03:06] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:07] H4ck3r_ (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:07] i can flash my damn bios from linux [03:07] neat [03:08] Urchlay: Mine doesn't have manufacturer/part/serial either. http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/12821 [03:08] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:09] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:09] lol [03:09] ok ok [03:09] Did anyone successfully use the Coreboot BIOS? [03:10] nullboy: Dell bios? I can do that too, but there's been no updates since 2004. :) [03:11] Urchlay: yeah, mine's Current Speed: 6 ns <---the hell does that mean :P [03:11] antler: maybe it's the response time [03:12] like on a read, from the time the address lines are valid, to the time the data lines become valid, is 6ns [03:12] that still sounds insanely fast though [03:12] Thursap (n=bnguyen@118.71.110.203) left irc: "leaving" [03:13] Urchlay: no idea :P [03:15] hm... Max Speed: 3000 MHz <---- my processor.... good to know [03:15] It would be nice if the SimpleKDE project influenced KDE more... one thing I do not like is KDE mounts stuff in places like /media instead of reasonable places like /cd0, /cd1, /ud0. /ud1 (the latter 2 for USB)... then if you have scripts or use sh it is all messed up. [03:16] where are those mount points from? the names look BSDish... [03:16] I always liked /mnt/cdrom and /mnt/usb and such [03:17] they are I suppose... I used to use it... but I think there is a /dev/cd0 for example... so instead of having to type mnt I put them in / . [03:17] never really liked adding extra stuff in / [03:18] but there is the same problem with KDE not using the traditional Linux /mnt. [03:18] "* ns" for memory is usually the delay between two states or readiness of memory. [03:18] Pretty much what Urchlay said, although the time can be different (for examplem RAS to CAS, etc.) [03:18] yeah, my understanding of memory technology dates from a time when 256Kx1 chips were the new hotness :) [03:19] (even so, RAS and CAS existed back then too...) [03:19] I just do not like /mnt: I used to use DOS, so I like commands closer to 2 letters than having to type /mnt/cdrom [03:20] dchmelik: what I specifically don't like are the ubuntu systems that mount e.g. /media/Lexar XXYYZZ123 USB Stick/ [03:20] (or maybe they're kind enough to turn the spaces into _, still annoying) [03:20] Thursap (n=bnguyen@118.71.110.203) joined ##slackware. [03:20] yeah, that is crazy... and the LWN article posted a few minutes ago is right [03:21] does anyone maybe know how to create a multicolumn document in google docs? [03:21] 256k chips were the new hotness? what, last year? :P [03:21] antler: well last year I did upgrade a machine from 64K to 256K [03:22] and another from 16K to 64K [03:22] you're joking [03:22] nope [03:22] zxh (n=red@218.26.164.24) joined ##slackware. [03:22] Urchlay: no offense, but are you a dealer of relics? [03:22] :P [03:22] Atari 800XL and 600XL, from 1983-84 era, antiques I guess you could call 'em [03:22] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-165-237.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:23] not really a dealer, but I still like to hack on those old systems [03:23] Urchlay: give me an example of what you can make an atari 800xl do [03:23] I would rather make a multicolumn document in kate, emacs, or even OO. [03:23] other than "play games I still like to play"? [03:23] Ataris sound fun... I have a couple Amiga 500s but have not tried them yet [03:24] I can make an 800XL run SLIP and get it on IRC [03:24] sahko: multicolumn isn't supported. The only way for now is trying to recreate what you want with a table. [03:24] meh [03:24] tu firebird619 [03:24] Urchlay: and a stock atari won't get on irc? [03:24] (granted, no ISPs offer SLIP service any more, so I need a Linux box or something to provide the other end of the SLIP connection) [03:25] no, a stock Atari will, if it's one of the ones that comes with 48K or more [03:25] Urchlay: oh ok. that is cool. [03:25] (so a stock 800XL will, a stock 600XL won't) [03:25] call me when you get compiz going on it ;) [03:25] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:25] I need to tighten up the code, rewrite the TCP/IP stack in assembly [03:25] heh [03:25] Urchlay: have fun with that one [03:26] frullet: I will. Stuff like that actually is fun to me... [03:26] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:26] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:26] Urchlay: are you able to to post a screenie of something running on the 600xl? [03:27] eh, I suppose if I knew where my camera was, I could take a picture of the monitor [03:27] if I had a TV capture card in this box, I could run the 600XL into that, take a screenshot that way [03:27] or the whole setup. that would be interesting to look at. (when you have time and found your cam) [03:28] well, there is a guy who made a youtube video of himself running my IRC client on a 1200XL, lemme search for it... [03:28] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L4YJBlI2z8 [03:29] I guess since bash has tabs I will use /mnt/cdrom... but then what is standard for cdrom 2? or usb 2, ...? [03:30] oh, it looks like I also have /mnt/cdrecorder... that answers it [03:31] dchmelik: on the rare occasions where I've had 2 cdrom drives, I've called them /mnt/cdrom0 and /mnt/cdrom1, or maybe /mnt/cdrom and /mnt/dvd if one's really only a CD drive and the other does DVDsa [03:32] Apparently Slackware 12.2 is has /mnt/zip and no /mnt/usb. Do any apps use these standard mount points? [03:33] eh, not that I know of [03:34] some apps are hardwired to use /dev/cdrom (the device, not the mount point) [03:34] but /mnt isn't magic, you can mkdir whatever you want in there on your own system [03:35] Yeah... I have had to create that link before to the /dev/hdc, etc. [03:35] the "magic" is the KDE/hal/whatever auto-detecting and automounting stuff [03:36] outside of KDE, Slackware doesn't do any sort of automounting of CDs, USB drives, etc. [03:36] Urchlay: oh no way that is way cool. it's like making a calculator wristwatch determine a function whose value is a number in pie, for an postive integer input :P [03:36] antler: from the sound of it, charlie was running 9600 baud (the Atari uses the sound chip for serial I/O, so you can hear the bytes streaming in...) [03:37] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433931.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:37] I never got my setup to reliably do more than 4800 :( [03:37] dood that's too cool [03:38] so, set up in that particular way, that atari's sole function is to irc? [03:38] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [03:39] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@161.100.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: "Saliendo" [03:39] yeah [03:40] he's got a maxflash cartridge, which he copied my code to, so it boots straight to the IRC client [03:40] you could load it off a disk drive, if you can find any double-density 5 1/4" disks that still work [03:41] and of course there's no way to multitask on the atari, so once the client is running, that's all it's doing until you exit [03:41] so, you basically made the cartridge that allows his machine to irc? [03:42] well, I wrote the code that's on the cartridge [03:42] wrote the code, put it on the cartridge, that is [03:42] someone else made the cartridge, and charliec copied the code onto it [03:42] hahah i know someone else Made the cartridge :) [03:43] (well, I have once made a 2600 cartridge, or anyway recycled a pac-man cart into an EPROM cart that held 8 games, select with dip switches...) [03:43] Urchlay: i suppose you could, if you wanted to, put a text-based browser on a cartridge so that you can surf using the atari... [03:43] ? [03:44] well, parsing HMTL is problematic, especially these days when many many HTML files are larger than the amount of memory on one of those old things... [03:44] ah ok [03:45] I mean you can upgrade one to 256K, or even a meg... [03:45] Urchlay: other than getting your kicks, any other reason why you work with such archaic devices? [03:45] Urchlay: would you be able to recommend any good books on assembly / text files you might have come across? [03:45] nah, getting my kicks is basically it :) [03:46] frullet: for what system(s)? I can reel off a list of Atari and 6502 stuff, but modern systems, hmm... [03:46] there actually is a book "Assembly language for Linux" that's pretty good (that may not be the exact title) [03:47] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [03:47] Urchlay: ill check out amazon [03:47] how much do you think will change when oracle buys out sun? [03:47] also once you know the fundamentals (what the instructions are, etc), it's instructive to compile tiny little C programs with gcc -S (which spits out the generated asm code) [03:49] Urchlay: thats what i have been playing around with for the last few days, very interesting [03:49] frullet: if you're wanting to learn asm for modern x86 systems, you probably want to learn to use nasm [03:49] (or yasm, if you're doing 64-bit) [03:49] Urchlay: http://www.computercloset.org/atari600xl.htm <--- lol. wow. [03:50] 1.79MHz lol [03:50] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433931.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:50] yeppers. I upgraded mine to 64K using RAM chips from an old ISA video card, and added a composite video output (the US version of the 600XL only has RF, so you need a TV tuned to channel 3... yuck) [03:50] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433931.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:50] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [03:51] hi people, i need some help with rc.inet1.conf and rc.wireless.conf [03:51] well, rsync saved me on that package mayhem [03:51] tasm was liked for a long time by the demoscene... but when I took an assembly class we used masm. I think the textbook was not so focused on that so and was good. [03:51] Time for me to go. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. :) [03:52] i have ndiswrapper and wpa_supplicant running [03:52] nasm syntax is like a simplified & cleaned-up masm... I once ported a bunch of masm code to nasm, with a perl script and a lot of cussing... [03:52] i can connect to the network using wpa_supplicant -B -Dwext -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf [03:53] tasm... borland's turbo assembler, or that "table assembler" thing? [03:53] but i don't know how to configure rc.inet1.conf to connect for me [03:53] I meant Turbo Assembler, though I have looked at both of those. [03:53] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night."). [03:53] first x86 assembly I ever did was turbo assembler... 1.0 or 2.0, I can't recall which [03:54] "computer programming IV" class in high school, there were 2 of us in the class, we got to make up our own curriculum :) [03:54] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host88-74-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:55] grazymax (n=grazymax@host57-22-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows :-)" [03:56] Urchlay: when i read about some guy hacking norad's computer to play chess using an atari, i'll know who it was :D [03:56] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:56] Heya,folks...How's everyone? [03:56] antler: "Let's play Global Thermonuclear War" [03:56] haha [03:57] sweet...Wargames [03:57] Urchlay: I have a couple friends who got to that level in HS... I got started later in HS, but asm in college was fun. [03:58] probably they taught asm classes with a saner (risc) architecture [03:58] x86 has a lot of warts [03:59] Lab was x86 but class was about all architecture [04:00] noone knows? [04:00] what? just got here.. [04:00] zoran119: hangonaminit, I did this not long ago... [04:01] Urchlay: sorry... i'll wait [04:01] WLAN_WPA[1]="wpa_supplicant" [04:01] that's the key [04:01] MLanden: using rc.inet1.conf and rc.wireless.conf [04:01] that's assuming that his wifi is in block 1 [04:01] ahh,,OK [04:01] yeah [04:02] Urchlay: i got that [04:02] I have my first interface as eth0, most people will want WLAN_WPA[0]=wpa_supplicant [04:02] still no go... [04:03] what is the driver set to? [04:03] I had to edit rc.wireless.conf, I didn't do it the "right" way, just changed the "Any ESSID" to my essid [04:03] er, and the * [04:03] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:03] or "any" or whatever it originally was [04:04] basically, your goal is to make slackware's init scripts run the same wpa_supplicant command you're running by hand... [04:04] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:04] Shuren (n=Devilman@host155-143-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:05] er, and to make sure ndiswrapper is running before rc.inet1 starts (that part I know nothing about, haven't had to mess with ndiswrapper) [04:07] Shuren (n=Devilman@host155-143-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:08] yeah.. ndiswrapper is running on time i believe [04:08] http://pastebin.com/d2eaa4240 [04:08] after rc.inet1 runs, what does "ps auxww|grep wpa_" show? [04:08] that's my config... rc.inet1.conf is at the beggining and rc.wireless.conf is further down [04:09] yeah [04:09] you went into more detail than I did :) [04:09] KEY="s:mysuperpasskey" <--- I set my key in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf itself [04:10] but like I said, I probably didn't do mine the "right" way [04:10] ok... wasn't sure if i could do that... [04:10] Thursap (n=bnguyen@118.71.110.203) left irc: "leaving" [04:10] there's a bit of repetition between rc.inet1.conf and rc.wireless.conf... [04:11] http://pastie.org/453197 [04:11] that's my redacted wireless.conf [04:11] sorry, wpa_supplicant.conf [04:12] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "Leaving." [04:12] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:13] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:13] rc.wireless.conf looks like http://pastie.org/453200 [04:14] cool [04:14] i like that [04:14] :-) [04:14] i have 323MB of various documentation and copies of wikis/websites [04:14] but they are in PDF format [04:15] all 323MB [04:15] relevant section of rc.inet1.conf: http://pastie.org/453201 [04:15] my wpa_supplication.conf is fine... i can connect if i just issue wpa_supplicant -B -Dwext -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf [04:15] consider putting that command in rc.local and getting on with your life? :) [04:15] zoran119: can you just pastebin *your* configs so we can look at them? [04:15] not wpa_supplicant.conf [04:16] What are you trying to do with them,nullboy? [04:16] MLanden: the documentation? [04:16] yes,nullboy [04:16] figure out how to make it searchable [04:16] nullboy: he did, rc.inet1.conf and rc.wireless.conf are in his pastebin [04:16] oh dang [04:16] Urchlay: i did and it workes... but i wanna get it working properly... i know... i shouldn't care [04:17] zoran119: I understand the desire to do things properly, believe me [04:17] nullboy: http://pastebin.com/d2eaa4240 [04:17] What's would the size of all those files be in html format,nullboy? [04:18] i have no idea [04:19] hm, anyone know a python one-liner I can use from a shell script, to check for the presence of a python module? [04:20] (with perl I can go 'if perl -MModuleName -e "exit 0"; then print "ModuleName is installed\n"; fi', something like that in python is what I need) [04:20] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:21] (er, I got my perl and bash code sorta mixed up there, didn't I? close enough...) [04:21] i don't even use rc.wireless [04:21] i mean rc.wireless.conf [04:22] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: "leaving" [04:22] i removed it from /etc/rc.d/ [04:22] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:22] similarly, I wonder if you could rename /media to /.media and link it to /mnt [04:23] it works to rename ~/Desktop ~/.Desktop... [04:23] Urchlay: i do it all the time aswell, just cant seem to help myself at times [04:26] frullet: know anyhting bout python? (cause I don't really...) [04:27] giorgos (n=chatzill@ppp079166045096.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:27] Urchlay: import the module and use except ImportError: to catch if the module is not present or loaded...http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/python/668754 might help [04:28] Urchlay: cant say i do mate, cannot stand the language i find it almost un-readable [04:28] hello ,can anyone suggest a company runnung slackware on their servers?We are looking for a dedicated server [04:29] frullet: I don't really like python that much, but this is for a slackbuild of a program that's written in python [04:29] Morning. [04:29] I want to write a shell script wrapper that gives you a useful error message if wxPython isn't installed [04:30] Morning,multimas [04:30] MLanden: it looks like I can just go (in a shell script): if python -c 'import wx'; then ... [04:30] exit status is 0 if the module exists, or 1 if not [04:31] Urchlay: What if python isn't installed? :o [04:31] cool [04:31] then the exit status will still be non-zero [04:31] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:31] Urchlay: ..and give an erroneous message. [04:31] Urchlay: or, rather, misleading. [04:31] if I really want, I can go: if ! python --version; then .... before I check for the module [04:32] separate error message if python --version fails to run, to avoid what you're talking about [04:32] Urchlay: Indeed. Just pointing that out. :) [04:32] good point [04:33] I hadn't even thought of python not being installed, cause I always do a full slackware install... the wxPython stuff isn't in slackware, so I expect lots of people won't have it installed [04:34] Mmm. [04:35] of course, if the user's going to launch this from a KDE icon or K menu or whatever, he'll never see the stderr output. Bleah. [04:35] kdialog I suppose [04:36] Urchlay: I know no python nor do I know if it might be more desirable, but can you not attempt to import the class inside a python script and then catch an error exception instead? [04:36] still not working!!! [04:37] multimas: I could do that, yah, but I don't know python too well either :) [04:38] Urchlay: It shoul be fairly trivial as long as python allows run-time class imports(??) [04:38] Urchlay: Something like, [04:38] Urchlay: http://pastey.net/112745 [04:39] won't solve the stderr problem though (would have to use some sort of python gui class to show the error message... which might not be installed...) [04:39] Urchlay: Mmmmm. [04:39] if I do use kdialog for the error message, might as well make the whole thing a shell script (I already know how to write shell scripts, anyway) [04:39] rc.d/rc.inet1 calles iwconfig wlan0 mode managed, then iwconfig wlan0 nick oldlappy, then iwconfig wlan0 channel 6 then iwconfig wlan0 essid "any" [04:40] then cannot find dhcp [04:40] anyone know a good backup program besides cpio... like a GUI program that uses cpio? [04:40] if they don't have kdialog (standard part of KDE and Slackware) installed, *and* they don't have the wxPython add-on installed, eh, erm... [04:41] Urchlay: So, is this a KDE applet thinger? Considering you'll depend on kdialog I mean. perhaps it could fall back to xmessage :] [04:41] (but get zoran's problem solved first) [04:41] yeah, right, I forgot xmessage [04:41] giorgos (n=chatzill@ppp079166045096.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032711]" [04:42] it's a python program that uses wxPython, I want to make it show up in the K menu (easy enough) [04:42] I see. Neat. [04:42] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:43] but since wxPython isn't a standard slack package, it needs to do the right thing when it's not installed [04:43] GUI programs ought to be runnable entirely from a GUI, including error messages... [04:43] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:44] Urchlay: Which is trickier than it sounds when you don't know which gui is installed :) [04:44] yeap [04:44] Urchlay: I don't envy you one bit, hehe. [04:44] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "-" [04:45] xmessage is its own package, no longer part of the base x11 package in 12.2, so I can't even really depend on it existing :( [04:45] Urchlay: It isn't standard in debian either. [04:45] ah, this only has to work on slack [04:45] Urchlay: If I were you I'd ditch the dream of the gui safely handling errors :D [04:46] 12.2 and (if possible) earlier versions back to 11.0 or so [04:46] jewlz (n=jewlz@15.84-48-102.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:46] Urchlay: Well, since it's a KDE tray (right?) applet(?), then kmessage would be "safe", right? [04:46] Urchlay: Ie, you can't use it without KDE anyway? [04:46] well, eh, it's not [04:46] Crap :) [04:46] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.17) joined ##slackware. [04:47] I mean, you can run this thing without KDE at all, it's just an X-using program [04:47] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:47] (myself, I'd likely run it from bash in an xterm and be happy with that) [04:48] clamshell (n=Prem@210.211.128.220) left irc: "Leaving" [04:48] <_RadioHead> morning [04:48] Urchlay: How about doing lazy prioritizing and just put all this info in the INSTALL file, and make the errors consistently print to stderr. If the applet doesn't work, then the user should check stderr. That way you can concentrate on more (less trivial) issues. [04:48] Morning, _RadioHead [04:48] but if I were primarily a KDE user, I'd get annoyed if I installed some program, clicked on it, and *nothing* happened [04:49] actually, this is really the only issue there is to concentrate on :) [04:49] <_RadioHead> yo MLanden :) [04:49] this is the snowberry launcher for the doomsday doom engine... I already got the engine being built & packaged up nicely, and snowberry runs & seems to work fine [04:49] Urchlay: Mm. Well, as you said, you could do kmessage but *always* dump to stderr anyway. [04:50] yeah... probably will write a die() function that prints to stderr and tries to use kdialog, then if that fails, tries to use xmessage, then gives up :) [04:51] Urchlay: yeah, you could just install a signal handler(trap) which does that. [04:51] true [04:52] more likely I'd do it perl-style: python --version || die "You don't have python installed" [04:52] (where die() both prints its argument to stderr and tries to show it in a dialog box) [04:52] Action: multimas nods [04:53] first perl code I ever saw in my life was something like 'open MODEM, "/dev/ttyS0" or die' [04:53] and I went, "open modem or die... I gotta learn this language!" [04:54] indeed, perl is intuitive like that. As long as you understand the logic behind it :) [04:54] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:55] you could of course do it in reverse("swedish") too! [04:55] die if `fap`; [04:55] ahh prrrrrl. Funnay. [04:56] or rather of course, "die unless `fap'" [04:57] :) [04:57] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:57] yeah, perl has always seemed intuitive to me... I always scored higher on the verbal part of the SAT than the math, and perl was designed by a linguist... [04:58] perl6 will be interesting. [04:59] if it ever gets finished, or at least releasable [04:59] Haha. [04:59] it need not be finished, just stable ;] [04:59] yah [05:00] and parrot is of course doing well already. [05:00] something you can write code in, and not have to rewrite it next week [05:00] :D:D [05:01] jewlz (n=jewlz@15.84-48-102.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [05:07] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-152-240.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [05:07] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-152-240.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:07] it makes me sad that PHP has displaced perl as the popular language for web stuff [05:07] Oh don't get me started on that. [05:07] Heh. [05:07] (if only for selfish reasons: I know and like perl, and I didn't know PHP last year and didn't really like it much either) [05:08] perl rules, php drools [05:08] I struggle to see why php is defined as a language when it does not have any fixed set of rules. [05:08] doesn't take much to be considered a language [05:09] brainfuck is a language, so is commodore 64 BASIC :) [05:09] Urchlay: Both have fixed sets of rules. [05:09] php does not even use the same naming scheme for builtin functions. [05:09] Nor do builtin functions related to each other take arguments in the same order or type. [05:09] my only real gripe about php is that it's impossible to keep track of whether e.g. a function that operates on arrays is prefixed with array_ or not [05:10] (which I guess is what you're saying right now, too) [05:10] I would argue that one cannot actually 'learn' php for it is not possible to memorize the (almost) unlimited variations in logic. [05:10] well, I know a subset of PHP... 90% of what I need to do can be done in 10% of the language :) [05:11] anyway if I had my druthers I'd be doing web apps in almost any other language (well, OK, not COBOL, even though I used to know it a little...) [05:11] eh, and I'm not insane enough to write web apps as shell scripts (though I know a guy who used to...) [05:12] Urchlay: imagine this example: "function s($a=1,$b=2,$c=3){". What will "s(0,3)" do? [05:12] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:12] I expect the same as s(0,3,3) [05:12] `marc_ (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [05:12] Nick change: `marc_ -> _marc` [05:13] am I wrong? (too lazy to actually test it right now...) [05:13] Urchlay: Why would you expect that? :) [05:14] Shuren (n=Devilman@host155-143-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:14] Urchlay: ie, since all three are "optional", how do I set a and c but not b if you are correct (which you are) [05:14] cause you only pass 2 parameters ($a and $b), so the 3rd ($c) takes its default value, right? [05:14] ah, I see what you mean. You want perl-style s({ a=> 0, c => 3}) and let b take its default [05:14] Urchlay: yeah but that depends on how the read was implemented [05:15] another question!... should rc.inet1 start wpa_supplicant for me, or should it be already started? [05:15] i started wpa_supplicant to do some debugging (based on alien bob's wiki) and then executed rc.inet1 and it worked [05:16] Urchlay: I've been forced to work with php for two years now. It has so many problems it has actually made me decide to stop working with computers. :) [05:16] zoran119: I *think* rc.wireless starts it for you. Don't depend on that being right though :( [05:16] wpa_supplicant is started by rc.wireless which is in turn started by rc.inet1 [05:16] there, the expert hath spoken :) [05:16] But if wpa_Suppliant is already running it will be used instead of restarted [05:16] Urchlay: I presume you have seen this neat roundup page: http://www.tnx.nl/php.html [05:17] multimas: no, but I want a t-shirt with that image & logo on it! [05:17] Urchlay: Hehe. It's a great summary. [05:18] alienBOB: thanks for that clarification [05:19] but it's a bit funny... if i have wpa_supplicant running in another window it works... but if i don't it doesn't [05:20] PHP has a gregoriantojd() function... my first thought was, "this has something to do with monks?" [05:20] (but that's cause I'm tired...) [05:21] Action: MLanden chants with Urchlay ....ooooohhhhmmmm!! [05:22] ohmmm, yeah [05:23] gregorian monks IIRC chant in dominant 7th harmony [05:23] (which has nothing to do with PHP or perl... *shrug*) [05:23] think so 7th with alternating 9th harmony [05:24] noobfarm looks weird now [05:24] and wrong [05:24] Shuren (n=Devilman@host155-143-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:25] MLanden: hip jazz monks :) [05:25] oh yeah [05:25] Dominian: http://gunnu.us/public/nf.gif [05:30] stillborn (n=stillbor@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff71c100-46.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Client Quit [05:32] Nick change: stillbor1 -> stillborn [05:37] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:37] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:40] take care,folks [05:40] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [05:48] multimas: in case you're still awake... OK, this is gods-awful, but... http://pastie.org/453254 [05:49] heh, and now that I look at it on a web page, I see a bug in it too [05:49] (well, two, but one's where I changed "kdialog" to "zkdialog" to force it to run xmessage) [05:51] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux [05:51] http://pastie.org/453256 [05:52] fix0red [05:52] Action: multimas looks [05:52] hm. I see a useless use of sed, there... [05:52] Action: multimas nods [05:53] http://pastie.org/453257 [05:54] always hated the 'don'\''t do this' syntax [05:58] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "De profvndis clamo ad te Domine." [05:59] credo (n=name@80.233.147.119) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:01] mr_S (n=sven@82.75.252.31) joined ##slackware. [06:02] Has anyone successfully installed Vtiger CRM on Slackware ?? [06:02] need the absolute path to mysql, but cant find teh correct one [06:02] path to the mysql client, or the server, or what? [06:02] syntax: Enter the absolute path of MySQL installed in your system(exclude the bin folder location) [06:02] uhmm [06:02] the bin to mysql [06:03] "exclude the bin folder location"... WTF? if you leave out part of the path, it isn't really an absolute path any more [06:03] maybe they're looking for "/usr" there [06:03] credo (n=name@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [06:04] vtiger will re-insert teh bin parameter, that why it needs the absolute path. [06:04] this sounds like a truly crappy installer you're being forced to use :( [06:04] oh yes, lovew Vtiger but installatin ( arrrggggggg ) [06:04] if it's actually looking for the client binary (the actual mysql command), and if it adds the bin part for you, then /usr should be the right answer [06:05] Urchlay: use 'which'. [06:05] what a tag line 'tired of kinda, sorta open source?'. nothing like using poor grammar in your marketing [06:05] multimas: use which for what? [06:05] tried no efect [06:05] to obtain an absolute path to a binary in PATH. [06:06] mr_S: strace the damn installer and grep the pile of crap strace spits out for "mysql" :) [06:06] multimas: ah, sure, but why can't the stupid installer do that for him? :) [06:07] Urchlay: because most software is shite! [06:07] Urchlay: I'm compelled to say all ;) [06:07] sturgeon's law at work again [06:08] well lets see what comes up [06:14] gyus: its just /usr [06:15] so I guessed right [06:20] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [06:20] clamshell (n=Prem@210.211.128.220) joined ##slackware. [06:25] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.207.232) joined ##slackware. [06:31] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:31] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:31] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [06:39] so the next fun with Vtiger: MYSQL settings: port:3306, Login root Password "you wish" mysql sock /var/run/mysql/mysql.sock ==> nogo ??? [06:39] starting to dislike vtiger programmers [06:41] IIRC, slackware's mysqld doesn't listen on a TCP port by default (the 3306 looks like it's trying to connect with tcp...) [06:42] look in /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld, comment out the SKIP="--skip-networking" [06:42] clamshell (n=Prem@210.211.128.220) left irc: "Leaving" [06:43] (though if it's connecting directly via TCP, why in hell does it need to know the path to the client? *shrug*) [06:43] Sounds like drugs had something to do with it. [06:44] hey people, i found the issue was with my wireless config!!! [06:44] for anyone who cares... [06:45] do tell, prithee [06:47] well... in the rc.inet1.conf i had WLAN_WPA=[0]="wpa_supplicant" (see =) [06:47] found it out while debugging rc.inet1 [06:47] what an idiot [06:47] ah well.... [06:48] it seems to be working now... a bit more testing [06:48] thnks for teh tips will try and let yo know [06:49] hughszg (n=hugh_2@218.82.197.116) joined ##slackware. [06:49] yep your right its the port settings peventing a successfull install. will set the mysql port open and see what happends [06:49] ohhh [06:50] yeah, tiny typos cause huge headaches [06:52] THx got it working [06:54] monstro (i=monstro@201-68-38-37.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:54] Hi all, [06:54] Where I find a good howto about ssh in slackware ? [06:57] zoran119: don't feel too bad: your extra = was in your pastebin, we all looked at it too, and none of us caught it [06:57] mr_S: groovy [06:58] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:58] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8A570.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. 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[07:34] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:38] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433931.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:38] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433931.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:39] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [07:41] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Client Quit [07:42] hughszg (n=hugh_2@218.82.197.116) left ##slackware. [07:47] ceb_user90016 (i=cweabq@189.117.56.111) joined ##slackware. [07:51] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.17) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:52] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.11) joined ##slackware. [07:52] jon_snow (n=jon@unaffiliated/jonsnow/x-492017) joined ##slackware. [07:52] hi [07:52] Bluewhite64 or Slamd64? [07:53] Never heard of the other, and I know (through here) most of the Slamd64 team, so personally I'd go with Slamd64 [07:54] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8A570.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:54] I thought slAMD is only for AMD [07:54] heh [07:54] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:54] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8A657.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [07:55] The difference seems to be whether you want pure 64 or multilib. I heared BlueWhite is pure 64. [07:55] I think additionally bluewhite64 is a live dvd [07:55] unlike slackware or slamd afaik [07:56] interesting [07:56] but you don't want a pure 64 version [07:57] if you do want it .. you wouldn't be asking about it :D [07:57] I know why multilib is nice... what (if any) are the advantages of a pure 64-bit system? [07:58] cleanliness ? [07:59] slamd64 isn't particularly dirty... unless you blindly install 64-bit shared libs to /usr/lib [07:59] frullet (n=Bob@124-168-168-79.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [07:59] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:01] ceb_user90016 (i=cweabq@189.117.56.111) left irc: Client Quit [08:02] hughszg1 (n=hugh_2@218.82.197.116) joined ##slackware. [08:02] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:03] no .. in the sense that having x86-64 and i386 libs is dirty [08:03] but I think fred is the person to answer this [08:04] kama (n=kama@87.19.115.235) joined ##slackware. [08:04] "dirty" but also very convenient [08:05] fred's a smart guy, meaning he's probably asleep right now :) [08:05] a) backwards compatibility b) standards-compliance [08:05] in slamd64-FAQ/ on your favourite mirror there's more details. [08:06] yeah, I was looking for the other side of the argument (why anyone would NOT want multilib) [08:06] kama (n=kama@87.19.115.235) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:10] monstro (i=1000@201-92-45-171.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:10] I thought we dont like bluewhite in here? [08:10] better not let Dominian see that [08:11] damn [08:11] eh? I have no opinion of bluewhite, trying to gather data so one day I might have an opinion :) [08:11] somehow our router always gives two NIC's the same IP [08:11] damn cheap crap [08:12] Urchlay, people dont like it much in here, coz its a rip-off off other peoples work among other things [08:12] but I really dont want to comment further [08:21] ~never heard of bw myself [08:23] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:24] ew [08:28] looks like BW is to Slamd64 as slacky.eu is to Slackbuilds [08:28] eww [08:28] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:28] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:30] slackytude: why are you letting the router do the dhcp? [08:30] Zordrak, I wish I knew [08:31] nooper: what's that picture of? [08:31] nooper: If you get this, was that from the latest update to the site last night? If so, I'llh ave t install opera to test it [08:32] WebDev: The only area oy dev where standards mean absolutelf fucking nothing [08:32] thank god im not a webdev :) [08:37] http://www.zazzle.com/css_is_awesome_mug-168716435071981928 [08:37] tinyurl? [08:38] i'dlove to get slackboy auto tinyurl-ing [08:38] why ? [08:38] its not as if there is heavy traffic of URLs here [08:39] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [08:39] cos i cant paste from irssi to my browser here [08:39] so i have to type them all out [08:39] shitty, my main cachine wont boot up....was fine last night but now wont even POST =( [08:39] and it sucks when the urls are long or full of hashes [08:40] yeah .. but don't automate it :D [08:42] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:42] how about a !tu command to tiny-ify the last url? [08:43] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [08:46] cacao (n=back@192.93.161.253) joined ##slackware. [08:46] hello [08:46] oh god [08:49] nvision (n=nvision@g230006011.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [08:58] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.11) left irc: "Leaving" [09:00] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:03] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:04] Fried_Bob (n=Fried@66.119.15.120) joined ##slackware. [09:05] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:08] mornin all. [09:08] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [09:09] Fried_Bob (n=Fried@66.119.15.120) left irc: "Leaving" [09:09] acidkill: Shit! that sucks. did you try that hammer yet? Sometimes it works to threaten the ghost in the box. :P [09:10] helps very often [09:11] nooper: opera issue is moot.. we fixed the problem.. just tested with Opera looks good [09:15] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:15] MakubeX (i=horas@my.barbie.wears.no-panties.org) joined ##slackware. [09:16] MysticalGroovy (n=Mystical@ppp-94-69-170-217.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:16] ey 0 [09:16] yht|off (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:17] Dominian, nice [09:17] Dominian, it looks whacky with FF version 2, too [09:17] bah [09:17] heh [09:17] not going to fix it for all versions of FF :P [09:17] I thought so ^-^ [09:17] I should make a disclaimer this works on "MODERN browsers as of 4/21/09" [09:17] hehe [09:18] don't want some jackass using IE5 to start bitching [09:18] or IE6, or IE7 for that matter [09:20] isn't ie7 the most used browser currently? [09:20] don't care.. I hate IE [09:20] I hate doing work arounds because MS is lazy to be compliant [09:21] FriedBob (n=Fried@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:22] MysticalGroovy (n=Mystical@ppp-94-69-170-217.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [09:22] grazymax (n=grazymax@host57-22-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:23] jlindsay (n=jlindsay@c-71-228-169-64.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:26] Dominian, looks funny in links :) [09:26] yeah it will [09:26] its not catered to text browsers :P [09:26] i like the new navigation, but not the gray background. it is out of place there. [09:28] eh? [09:28] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [09:28] thrice`, for general stuff maybe. sites for IT people often see IE in the minority. stuff like slashdot and arstechnica [09:28] I suspect noobfarm will see very little IE users O_o [09:28] s/little/no/ [09:29] who in their right mind would use IE willingly? [09:30] fau__ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [09:30] IE was still the dominant web browser last i heard [09:30] Action: slava_dp is dying to use ie but he has it not :( [09:30] but the willingly part since it comes with windows is questionable [09:30] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:32] Dominian, pin a getfirefox button somewhere. [09:33] getlinux :P [09:33] or getslackware [09:33] even better [09:33] slava_dp: hehe [09:34] IE7 isn't that bad at all [09:36] isnt IE8 the latest? [09:36] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [09:36] IE7 is dog slow, last I heard [09:37] the most irritating thing when you were upgrading to IE7 was that the OS saw it as a completely different program than the already installed version [09:37] that changed with IE8 [09:38] E7 isn't that slow either [09:38] IE7^ [09:40] compared to Firefox, it is. [09:41] From my usage, its about the same [09:41] but vim is better than emacs [09:41] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:42] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:43] wc [09:43] cacao (n=back@192.93.161.253) left ##slackware. [09:44] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:46] Dominian, you might find nice little getlinux banners on http://getgnulinux.org . [09:46] Jean (n=jean@93-36-228-121.ip62.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [09:46] mogunus (n=user@173.9.7.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:47] nvision (n=nvision@g230006011.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:47] Dominian, to be precise, http://www.gnulinuxmatters.org/participate/link_buttons/ [09:50] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:50] jon_snow (n=jon@unaffiliated/jonsnow/x-492017) left irc: "Sto andando via" [09:50] pepperjack (n=happy@h254.254.90.75.static.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [09:52] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:54] slava_dp: http://slackadelic.com/images/slack.png [09:54] I kind of like that one ;) [09:57] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [09:58] nice [09:58] I think I got that from fred [09:58] but not sure where he got it from [10:01] Dominian, heh, nice graphic [10:02] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [10:04] nope, not from me [10:05] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [10:11] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:13] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.112.26) joined ##slackware. [10:17] is the linux+ certification a respectable one? [10:17] which one? [10:18] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009004004.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:18] CompTIA Linux+ [10:18] never heard of that one [10:18] what linux certifications are there at all? [10:18] never heard of Linux+? [10:18] slava_dp: LPIC [10:19] http://www.lpi.org/eng/certification/the_lpic_program [10:19] NetrixTardis, thanks, reading [10:20] slava_dp: LPI and Linux+ are vendor-neutral [10:20] fred: I'm pretty sure I got that from you long ago [10:20] redhate and suse have their certs, others probably exist [10:20] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) left irc: [10:20] there is an LPIC-I side cert that is aimed at Ubuntu... [10:21] so which one of LPI and Linux+ is more respectable? [10:21] pfft [10:21] hahaha [10:21] "Hi.. I'm certified in Ubuntu" [10:21] lol [10:21] http://www.lpi.org/eng/certification/ubuntu_certified_professional [10:21] n00buntu:) [10:21] omg [10:21] monstro (i=1000@201-92-45-171.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [10:22] NetrixTardis: I would not hire someone with an ubuntu certification lol [10:22] Dominian: and you think i went for it??? [10:23] =P [10:23] i wouldn't waste the time or money for that. [10:23] but I'm currently A+, Server+, Security+, LPIC-I, RHCE... [10:23] Action: Dominian nods [10:24] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-25-60.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [10:26] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-25-60.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:28] LPIC-I looks nice to me [10:28] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.67.67) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:30] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [10:32] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:35] Razec (n=razec@187-26-148-48.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:37] grazymax (n=grazymax@host57-22-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:37] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.165.100) joined ##slackware. [10:38] smica (n=smica@212.16.144.46) joined ##slackware. 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[10:59] q [10:59] from /etc/syslog.conf.30: cron.* -/var/log/cron [10:59] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:00] this one dont work --- /etc/rc.d/rc.M: /usr/sbin/cron -l10 >>/var/log/cron 2>&1 [11:00] it's out of box [11:01] cat /etc/slackware-version [11:01] i saw it in almost all versions in slackware [11:01] now im using Slackware 12.1.0 [11:01] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062174005.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [11:02] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "sleep." [11:02] i thought it was set in /etc/syslog.conf [11:02] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.112.26) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:02] and one more problem: doing crontab -e as root does nothing - no changes in cat /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root written [11:03] Did you..change the file? [11:03] no [11:03] Then why would it write it? [11:03] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QyYaPWasos [11:03] "We didn't start the flame war" [11:03] its been burning since the disks been turning [11:04] zomg, I did nothing and nothing changed! it's broken, zomg!!!1111oneoneone [11:04] wow [11:04] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) left ##slackware. [11:04] bbl [11:05] i like slackware, using it from 9.0 [11:05] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [11:05] Ok [11:05] dive (n=diverse@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:05] just replacing cron with vixie cron [11:05] but i dont want to do it [11:06] Razec (n=razec@187-26-148-48.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:06] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:07] FCron: I just tried it (admittedly slackware-12.2), but I can edit crontab fine and the changes show in the /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root [11:07] can tell u more - i found slackware is best for me, my task, my life [11:07] as root? [11:07] Of courseotherwise I wouldn't be able to write to roots' crontab file :) [11:08] ))) [11:08] sorry ) [11:08] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) joined ##slackware. [11:09] hmmm on fresh slackware 12.1 i don't see any changes after crontab -e [11:09] Did you CHANGE anything? [11:09] ye [11:09] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062174005.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:10] slaxxer (n=brian@ip72-204-125-6.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:10] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:10] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:10] and saved it? [11:10] :ew [11:10] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [11:10] :wq [11:11] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "Leaving" [11:11] one think i always doing: installpkg vim; ln -sf vim /usr/bin/vi dont like lite vi [11:12] aka elvis [11:12] yes [11:12] hang on.. I'll find it [11:13] actually I've found the same problem using vim as root - might want to look in .vimrc [11:13] I think you just need to add an entry to /etc/syslog.conf [11:13] FCron, ^^^ [11:14] like, cron.* or something [11:14] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.90.178) joined ##slackware. [11:14] FCron: editing crontab with vim requires an additional line in vimrc [11:14] Add this line: set backupcopy=yes [11:14] Then your cron edit will be saved [11:15] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:15] FCron: You have to change that to -l8 [11:15] it even states that in rc.M [11:15] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8A657.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:16] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, [11:16] !!! [11:16] set nobackup in my .vimrc !!! [11:16] then restart cron [11:16] !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [11:17] FCron, nobackup is different [11:17] I take it thats inside an if ... then? [11:17] Makaveli_ma (n=Mak@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [11:17] just add what alienBOB said to the bottom of the file [11:18] thank a lot [11:19] Herman (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:19] I still haven't figured out why root needs that line but it works without as user.. [11:20] im too [11:20] H4ck3r (n=chatzill@173.57.156.2) joined ##slackware. [11:20] my english so bad [11:21] Action: dive is going to take the n00buntu certification [11:21] H4ck3r (n=chatzill@173.57.156.2) left irc: Client Quit [11:21] anyone from russia here? [11:22] only us triple-agents [11:22] triple shot agents ;p [11:23] ))) [11:23] if the shot is whisky [11:23] there are some ABIN, MI6, and some KGB of course [11:24] oO russian KGB [11:24] i got u ! [11:25] in russia, you got kgb >.> [11:25] Action: FCron going to have a lot of tea and edit rc.M [11:26] why editing rc.M, again? [11:26] to add -l8 [11:27] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn90.91-127-48.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [11:28] does someone have expirience with daemontools from djb [11:28] ? [11:28] yes [11:29] im about running mysql [11:32] Tyrael_ (n=bart@212.187.2.224) joined ##slackware. [11:33] StevenR (n=foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:33] nix_chix (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [11:34] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:35] StevenR (n=foo@212.44.56.204) joined ##slackware. [11:35] thrice`: he's adding logging to crond [11:36] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) joined ##slackware. [11:37] daemon tools? [11:37] don't go there [11:37] eh? [11:37] its what qmail uses.. djbdns uses.. etc etc [11:38] I used them for a while [11:38] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [11:38] echo /dev/urandom > ttyX [11:39] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-25-60.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:39] or cat even [11:39] H4ck3r (n=chatzill@173.57.156.2) joined ##slackware. [11:40] hey dive ;) [11:40] is there anyway to execute external binary from a shell script?(bash) [11:40] :) [11:40] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:40] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:40] asks the guy with the name "hacker" in l33t speak >.> [11:41] nah :| [11:41] H4ck3r, eh? Just put the name in the bash script? [11:41] higuita, ttyX [11:41] hiwhata [11:41] hmmm [11:41] lol... must.. concentrate.. [11:42] I think I'm tab happy today [11:42] I guess so, but it seems maybe my shellscript has some errors. let me try again [11:42] thank you dive [11:42] H4ck3r, perhaps you need full path in if it's not in you $PATH [11:43] DeiBellum (n=rwaters@dhcp132159.salley.fsu.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [11:43] can we cd in shell script? [11:43] :) [11:43] Yes u can [11:43] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-25-60.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [11:43] you can cd yes, but at end of script you will be returned to dir you started from [11:44] H4ck3r, you can do anything in a script that you can do at command line [11:44] thanks, does `cmd ` will be executed in subshell or the normal shell [11:44] backstick [11:44] ` ` [11:44] afaik normal shell - if you want to make a subshell put it in ( ) [11:45] thanks :) i'll test it now [11:46] and you don't need backticks usually unless you are assigning a variable - eg a=`ls *.mp3` [11:46] yes [11:46] but backticks are depricated, use $( ) [11:46] deprecated even [11:46] dive needs to concentrate [11:47] dive needs to dilute :p [11:47] I'm only on my second beer [11:48] fail [11:48] it's hot, and I haven't had a drink since saturday [11:48] so these are going down well [11:49] Tyrael (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:50] can anyone explain to mewhy i get 0 u/l speed on some pvt trackers [11:50] public trackers work fine [11:50] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.28.195.160) joined ##slackware. [11:51] no idear [11:51] :) [11:51] it seems like you guys are all friends ? [11:51] we're all friends here no enemies :p [11:52] what dya call a deer with no eyes? [11:52] no idea [11:52] hey geks, how to enter Chinese in terminal Konsole? [11:52] muha [11:52] nah, we just tolerate dive... [11:52] 'just' ;-) [11:53] / [11:53] :) [11:55] Hey geeks, how to enter simplified chinese in terminal Konsole? [11:55] we could kick him a few times, but he'll just come back... [11:56] hughszg1: have you changed the input method? [11:56] i'm using scim [11:56] pogo [11:56] not what i asked... i asked if you changed it =p [11:56] no, [11:57] after changing locale to zh_CN.UTF-8, the default installation of scim working [11:57] you need to click on the keyboard settings and change it to chinese [11:57] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.24.104) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:58] Necos: you mean change in scim settings? [11:58] do you see a little thing in the bottom right corner that says SCIM? [11:59] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:59] yes, [11:59] mouse over it [11:59] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:00] SM177Y (i=1000@204.38.194.243) joined ##slackware. [12:00] then? [12:01] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:01] click the keyboard [12:02] ok why is my clipboard application specific? thats retarded. if i copy something say in firefox and then close firefox, the clipboard is cleared and i cant paste what i had copied....lame [12:02] SM177Y, which de? [12:02] Necos: you mean right click? [12:02] no, left [12:03] dive: de? [12:03] desktop env. [12:03] Thursap (n=bnguyen@58.187.182.62) joined ##slackware. [12:03] xfce? [12:03] lol [12:03] Desktop .. of window manager [12:03] WM =p [12:03] s/of/or [12:03] but ive noticed it in other window managers as well [12:03] gregsparc_ (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [12:04] how to get all website to local, www.slackware.com for example, using curl? [12:04] SM177Y, yeah well kde and xfce both come cilpbaord applets that will do what you need [12:04] SM177Y, in xfce for ex. right click on panel and 'add applet' (I think it's that) [12:04] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:05] then choose clipboard applet [12:05] Necos: ok, I opened a terminal, then click the SCIM icon and select a chinese input method. [12:05] kde has klipper [12:05] which is a separate app [12:05] but the icon doesn't change to display relevant input method, [12:05] lol i must not have the xfce clipboard cuz its not in there :P [12:05] hmmm [12:06] SM177Y, perhaps need to download/install then - I thought it was included in default install.. [12:06] and why would it need a panel app just to copy and paste properly lol. thats pathetic honestly [12:06] dive: ya i guess not lol im on 12.2 with all packages oh well ill just get it [12:06] SM177Y: u could just keep the pp open [12:06] app* [12:07] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.111) joined ##slackware. [12:07] ya i know but thats not the point...the point is that the clipboard itself should not have anything to do with a specific application [12:07] thats the default behavior [12:09] thats retarded lol [12:09] SM177Y: here's your answer [12:09] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [12:09] http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=426308 [12:10] ya but its not just firefox [12:10] that was just an example [12:10] SM177Y, http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/12.2/xfce4-goodies/ [12:10] pretty much any app does it [12:10] clipman plugin [12:10] you didn't read it did ya? [12:10] dive: thx but i got it :P [12:10] it clearly states the reason of this behavior [12:10] ah [12:11] not fx specfic [12:11] specific* [12:11] well that is retarded behaviour :P [12:11] just sayin [12:11] that she be like built into xorg or something geez [12:11] that should** [12:11] its for security reasons i believe [12:11] it should I would agree with that [12:11] possibly [12:13] or at least each wm/de should have it intergrated without the need for a separate app/applet [12:13] imo [12:14] yes it should be there [12:18] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:18] tsk tsk...dependencies dependencies :P [12:19] Thursap (n=bnguyen@58.187.182.62) left irc: "leaving" [12:19] question, is it possible to integrate dropline updates with slackware updates? [12:19] i use gpm for that purpose >.> [12:19] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:20] yosii, not that i know of [12:20] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:20] Necos: yeah, looks like i'm stuck running slackpkg then immediately running dropline-installer [12:21] yep [12:21] yosii: u can alwys blacklist packages in slackpkg [12:21] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:21] blacklist dropline [12:21] dive: wouldn't it make more sense to blacklist *dl? [12:22] dropline is not welcomed by many though :p [12:22] I tried it once and once was enough [12:22] dive: here's the issue, my wife likes gnome, and dropline is the type she prefers on slack...so i deal with it [12:22] Little tip: [12:23] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:23] don't run "rm *" as root inside /etc/postfix [12:23] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:23] ok anyone know where to get libxfconf-0 >=4.6.0 preferably XD [12:23] SM177Y: google? [12:23] Zordrak: yeah, that's a bad idea [12:23] ttyX: alredy did that [12:23] wow. finally gware for 12.2 is ready. though it's only 2.24 :\ [12:23] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [12:23] but aren't most gnomes the same? Tried gsb? I think it intergrates with sw a lot better judging by what people have said [12:23] ttyX: found some rpms but if i try to install em they tell me i have bad magic HAHA [12:24] jonathanr (n=jonathan@87-194-164-154.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:24] dive: gsb only half works on my system...dropline fully works [12:24] :/ [12:24] never tried gware or gnome slacky [12:24] ah well [12:24] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [12:24] slacbot is the best imho [12:24] slackbot* [12:25] gsb is not even ready for 12.2 yet [12:25] afaik [12:25] SM177Y: slackpkg search libxfconf tellsme its part of xfce [12:26] anyone got any other suggestions that ext3grep for deleted file recovery in ext3? [12:26] /than [12:26] ttyX: ya its supposed to be lol. but when building clipman it obviously says i dont have it lol unless it just doesnt know where it is bc its dumb [12:27] and it seems like slacky.eu build is ready for 12.2 [12:27] is it a slackbuild? [12:27] Action: john_dee knows what he's going to do tonight [12:27] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:27] ttyX: wasn't familiar with slackbot [12:27] SM177Y, 'ls /var/log/packages/*xfconf*' [12:27] gnome-slacky is buggy [12:28] they'll release new version soon [12:28] ttyX, very bad? [12:28] 2.26 [12:28] dive: no such file or directory :P [12:28] not too bad but yes it's not that smooth [12:28] ttyX: as far as gsb, there's a beta for 12.2, just like dropline has a beta for 12.2 [12:28] SM177Y, me too ;p [12:28] then i'll go for gware [12:29] but this is current need check other box [12:29] .. [12:29] john_dee: wahts your downspeed? [12:29] what's* [12:29] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) joined ##slackware. [12:29] have a look at slackbot [12:29] ttyX, ~400kbit/s [12:29] its nice [12:30] it's 12.2 ready [12:30] checking it right now [12:30] hmm, that's a a good option [12:30] but wouln't it require more tuning than gware for example? [12:30] SM177Y, 'grep xfconf /var/log/packages/*' [12:31] yes indeed [12:31] ttyX: ok, just run a slackpkg upgrade to get rid of dropline mods of slack packages then install gware to test? [12:31] dive: notta :P [12:31] yes yossi [12:31] damn I got 4.6 install on other boxes too [12:31] slackpkg clean-system should do it [12:31] even using the slackbuild says i need it lol. and i cant find it cept for rpms in which they just tell me i have bad magic lolz [12:32] ttyX, have you tried this slackbot? [12:32] john_dee: nope but it looks promising [12:32] ttyX: ok...i don't think clean-system would be good, got slackbuilds [12:32] I don't have the bandwidth [12:32] /var/log/packages/xfce-4.6.0-i486-2:usr/lib/libxfconf-0.la [12:32] /var/log/packages/xfce-4.6.0-i486-2:usr/lib/libxfconf-0.so.2.0.0 [12:33] SM177Y: goto #slackbuilds [12:33] no idea where it is in 4.2 [12:33] or 4.4.2 [12:33] indeed [12:33] if ur not using current theyll help [12:33] well, why not. i doubt that i'll like me that kde4 thing [12:33] Nick change: gregsparc_ -> gregsparc [12:34] but this is a stock 12.2 install right? [12:34] ttyX: no thx. [12:34] it should be there already [12:34] don't try to build the xfce package from source [12:34] SM177Y, what is it you are trying to install? [12:34] clipman :P [12:34] use robbies package I posted earlier [12:34] xfconf is the settings daemon for xfce 4.6 [12:34] it says it needs libxfconf-0 lol 4.6.0 or greater :P [12:35] why would anyone ompile something that's lredy present in the repo [12:35] SM177Y, http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/12.2/xfce4-goodies/ [12:35] there's a package there - use it [12:35] dive: yay lol i was looking for a slack package. [12:36] it's not in the repo [12:36] ./changed.sh: line 31: `find $dir -type f -mtime -7 -print 2> /dev/null | sort `: ambiguous redirect [12:36] SM177Y, that is a slack pkg [12:36] I got this error [12:36] :( [12:36] don't know why it's ambiguous [12:36] dive: yes i know. hence the yay :D [12:36] ok [12:37] slacky.eu might be having the package aswell but robby is more trustworthy :p [12:37] a *lot* more :) [12:38] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062174005.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [12:39] also, he's here so we can moan^H^H^H^H report bugs at him [12:39] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:39] dive: he's workin on exaile sb :D [12:39] ttyX, I forgot what that is already [12:40] but best to leave him piece with it then [12:40] exaile = amarok for gnome ;) [12:40] ah [12:40] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:40] GTK to be precise [12:40] better [12:40] Actually this is the full command: " mailx -s "Modified files in 7 days" $recipient < `find $dir -type f -mtime -7 ` " [12:40] GTK != Gnome! [12:41] i got "ambiguous redirect error" [12:41] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:41] i guess because mailx can't take result from find command [12:41] H4ck3r, that says a lot more than your previous input [12:41] thanks dive [12:42] sorry about that [12:42] H4ck3r, have you tried it without backticks? [12:42] not yet [12:42] let me try it now [12:42] you wouldn't usually need them in that situation [12:44] you might also want to experiment using " " around $recipient since it probably contains an @ which might be being a pain [12:44] ie "$recipient" [12:44] ewww [12:45] unless $recipient is a local usernamre like 'root' for example [12:45] going to install gware, it looks like a better one... [12:45] Action: dive is going to install another beer \o/ [12:45] yosii: I've used gware before, it's very nice. [12:46] although dropline is working well, let's see if this works better(hate how dlg screws with passwd [12:46] yosii, what does it do with passwd? [12:46] yosii, it did strange things to my X server when I tried it, but that was many moons ago.. [12:46] dive: So, is that just slackpkg install beer? [12:46] :P [12:46] muha [12:46] dive: here's my full script http://pastebin.com/m4aad819c [12:46] firebird619: no, it's slapt-get -install [12:47] slapt-get isn't supported here.. [12:47] Ugh, I don't ever use slapt-get. I use the tools slackware has already. [12:47] yep but I've only 2 left so it will be a quiet night I think [12:47] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:47] ext3grep looks promising [12:47] thank you. dive [12:47] oy, you joke and someone takes you seriously [12:47] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:48] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] yosii: you need to be known for that kind of joke to be taken at anything other than face value [12:48] _ohm (n=mark@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:48] H4ck3r, same error? [12:49] I removed `` but gets this error : ./changed.sh: line 27: find: No such file or directory [12:49] ah [12:50] right, do you actually have any files in $dir that find will see as new/changed? [12:50] anyways, the only issue i take with slackpkg is the lack of multi-repo support, even blatant refusal to support multiple repos [12:50] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [12:50] H4ck3r, I see what you are doing but it will still try to send an email even if there are no files 'find'ed [12:50] except in that case it will come up with an error [12:51] like no file found [12:51] better to do a test first and then run mailx [12:51] swaret and slapt-get auto-blacklists packages, and allows safe upgrades, slackpkg doesn't auto-blacklist anything...if you compiled a slackbuild, you break packages [12:51] so if [[ $(find $dir -type f -mtime -7) != "" ]]; then ... [12:52] yes, but I still dont know what's error in my script [12:52] i have so many files has been modified in last 7 days in the current dir [12:52] hmm [12:52] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.171.236) joined ##slackware. [12:52] just my direct observation of differences among them [12:52] run the find part on it's own [12:52] yosii: if you want it done for you, use another OS [12:52] yes [12:52] i'm doing it now [12:52] yosii: slackpkg is designed well [12:53] yosii: it does only as you instruct [12:53] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host88-74-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:53] Zordrak: and gives you more direct room to screw yourself over... [12:53] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-165-237.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Connection timed out [12:53] dive: I have correct result by running find alone [12:53] hmm [12:53] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:53] and compiling your own breaks nothing so long as you made a package out of it as you should have done [12:54] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [12:54] as a SysAdmin it is your right and your privilege to screw yourself over [12:54] Zordrak: and i usually do, but some packages, i don't put into the pkgtools and straight make install [12:55] yosii: thats your fault [12:55] H4ck3r, give me the full command you are issuing please [12:55] like ./change.sh ... what exactly [12:55] mailx -s "Modified files in 7 days" $recipient < find ./ -type f -mtime -7 2> /dev/null [12:55] Zordrak: conditioned action from prolonged need to make own software from source [12:55] make install DESTDIR=/tmp/package-foo;cd /tmp/*-foo;makepkg [12:55] ./changed.sh: line 27: find: No such file or directory [12:55] error [12:56] H4ck3r, no I mean the command to call changed.sh :-) [12:56] yosii: nothig was ever more simple than that [12:56] I guess just because mailx can't not take result from find [12:56] I just call ./changed.sh [12:56] Zordrak: go find someone else to chew out, i'm not whining about slack itself [12:56] H4ck3r, it should be able to honour a simple redirect [12:56] Zordrak: and i didn't install my first slack last week [12:56] seews you are [12:57] slackpkg is part of slack [12:57] the other two arent [12:57] and for good reason [12:57] H4ck3r, and what is the full path of the directory you are in? [12:57] I certainly know why slpat-get isnt [12:57] slapt-get* [12:57] Zordrak: if expressing disagreement is whining, so be it [12:57] home/dtn08 [12:57] hmm [12:58] :( [12:59] H4ck3r, well I have found the cure but not sure why < doesn't work [12:59] just pipe it mailx [12:59] pipe ? [12:59] mailx | find [12:59] ? [12:59] ie find . -type f -mtime -7 2>/dev/null | mailx -s "test" [12:59] no [12:59] or find | malix [12:59] yes [13:00] ie find . -type f -mtime -7 2>/dev/null | mailx -s "test" $recipient [13:00] let's me try [13:00] thank you [13:00] :) [13:01] well I would have gone with a pipe first [13:01] hughszg1 (n=hugh_2@218.82.197.116) left ##slackware. [13:01] but < should work [13:01] dunno the answer to that one [13:02] probably some to ask# about in #bash [13:02] something even [13:03] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:03] thank you dive. I'll try my luck at #bash to learn more. But my task has been solved anyway [13:03] thanks a lot for your help :) [13:04] you're welcome [13:05] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [13:05] damn... this is really bad [13:05] waassat? [13:06] our CMS provider is going to be blacklisted by the school district for anticompetitive practices [13:07] oops [13:07] http://www.educationalnetworks.net/ [13:07] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:07] basically, all vendors are supposed to go thru a bidding process [13:08] but we purchase directly from them... which apparently is anticompetitive lol [13:08] how did they get around that then? [13:09] ah [13:09] i have no idea ^_^ [13:09] year 1: bid, year 2: phone old clients and sell sell sell [13:10] ideas to push cpu to 100% ?? XD [13:10] SM177Y: use a pi calculation program [13:10] a hairdryer [13:10] lol [13:10] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A77F8D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:10] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:10] exit [13:10] they didn't even bid, afaik [13:10] i was looking for something more innovative. without a program [13:11] whoops [13:11] i got it to about solid 40 right now [13:11] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-162-241.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Killed (powuh (requested by panasync))" [13:11] i think its being bottlenecked by my hard drive tho :P [13:11] since im doin insane file writing repititions [13:12] *sigh* [13:12] and cat /dev/sda1 and cat /dev/sda3 :D [13:12] plus full compiz [13:12] playing music [13:12] prolly 15 apps open [13:12] cat /dev/sda1 ? [13:13] Necos: what's wrong with direct purchasing ? [13:13] slackytude: ive used it to create random data for generating keys and such and noticed it puts some decent load [13:13] just cats ur entire partition :P [13:13] Necos: isn't it your school permission to choose their provider? [13:14] y0 slackytude. How's it going? [13:14] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] well lunch time fer me :D [13:14] heya firebird619, Im fine, thx ^-^ [13:14] firebird619, you are good, I hope? [13:15] slackytude: Yes, I am good. Thanks. [13:15] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:16] slackytude: You ever used OpenDNS, I was trying too, but resolv.conf went back to my old, and slow, isp's nameservers. I put in rc.inet1.conf to keep resolv.conf, anything else I have to do that you know of? [13:16] firebird619, Ive often used OpenDNS and telling it to keep your resolv file should be enough [13:17] firebird619, did you call dhcpcd by hand perhaps? [13:17] slackytude: Hmm, it wasn't for mine. No, I didn't. [13:17] srn9 (n=bones@24-113-45-244.wavecable.com) joined ##slackware. [13:17] srn9 (n=bones@24-113-45-244.wavecable.com) left ##slackware. [13:18] firebird619, maybe paste your inet1.conf [13:18] firebird6: I've set my router with opendns, no need to mess on computer. [13:18] slackytude: I made the nameserver change yesterday, I start the pc today and they are back to the isp's servers. [13:18] Floops (n=baihu@gw.tb.bb.floops.info) left irc: "changing servers" [13:18] to a pastebin......................... [13:18] neonflux_^ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-139-49-76.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:18] witz: I don't have a router, it's direct connection. [13:18] Nick change: neonflux_^ -> neonflux [13:18] Ah [13:18] Zordrak: Yes, of course. :P [13:19] Action: Zordrak slaps slackytude for not ending his sentence that way [13:19] firebird619, your IP is static or by dhcp? [13:19] Zordrak, firebird619 knows it anyway [13:19] just heard the news - IMF says we owe $4000 billion [13:19] thats cheap [13:19] SM177Y (i=1000@204.38.194.243) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [13:19] slackytude: It's dhcp, every so often it changes. [13:19] what would happen if we just disband the IMF? who would we owe it to then? [13:20] all hell would break lose then [13:20] it's just dum imo [13:20] no, loaning money irresponsible is [13:21] so where do the IMF and WB get the money from to loan us? Mars? [13:21] it's a finite market [13:21] WB? [13:21] World Bank [13:21] ah, right [13:21] slackytude: Here it is. http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/12828 Probably some silly thing I did wrong or something I suppose. :P [13:21] the create it out of thin air, of course [13:22] DHCP_KEEPRESOLV[4]="yes" [13:22] DHCP_KEEPRESOLV[0]="yes" [13:22] see the difference? [13:22] Ah, [0]. Thanks. [13:22] lol [13:23] Floops (n=baihu@gw.tb.bb.floops.info) joined ##slackware. [13:23] you copied it from the examples ^-^ [13:23] slackytude: What does that number mean, the eth[#] ? [13:23] aye [13:23] Ah ok. Thank you. [13:23] firebird619: its an array index [13:23] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:23] Another day, another thing learned. :) [13:23] Zordrak, wich is mapped to interface [13:23] Floops (n=baihu@gw.tb.bb.floops.info) left irc: SendQ exceeded [13:23] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-139-49-76.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [13:24] depending on the IFNAME for the index :) [13:24] as i use it for eth0:0 [13:24] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [13:25] Jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) joined ##slackware. [13:25] Jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) left irc: Client Quit [13:25] Jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) joined ##slackware. [13:26] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-139-49-76.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:28] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:28] fuck it's hot :( [13:28] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:29] ... [13:29] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Connection timed out [13:30] might be a dumb question.. but how do you get bash to spit out the current time in posix format..? [13:30] Necos: Ugh, same its boiling here. [13:30] giuppy (n=giuppy@host80-54-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Nick collision from services. [13:31] we have no a/c in our office [13:32] giuppy (n=giuppy@host96-53-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:32] posix format? time? date? [13:32] Zordrak, probably some date switch [13:32] seconds since 19700101 [13:32] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [13:33] date %s [13:33] Kerio2004 (n=Port@212.118.140.229) joined ##slackware. [13:33] exec -o date +%s [13:33] 1240335229 [13:34] awesome [13:34] ta [13:34] np [13:34] I live to serve [13:35] indeed this is the case [13:35] gawd I hate it when they put up documens in word formart [13:35] guh [13:36] Portmapper2004 (n=Port@212.118.140.229) joined ##slackware. [13:37] slackytude: antiword! [13:37] ms ffce is still the most used officesuite all over [13:38] yeah but it's the one most office bods know, or have already installed when they start their job [13:38] while that may be true, our university usually does PDF all the way. [13:38] yep [13:38] last place I work where doing data entry in win 98 [13:38] O_o [13:38] yeah I larfed [13:39] Linus himself uses powerpoint for presentations :p [13:39] dive: how long ago was the last place you worked? [13:39] not long [13:40] lol [13:40] FFCE? [13:40] yeah don't you know the xfce ooffice suite? [13:40] dive, btw to wich report did you refer earlier [13:40] i use open office (and i don't use XFCE) [13:41] openbox ftw [13:41] slackytude, ted is a nice editor :) [13:41] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [13:41] Camarade_Tux, heya [13:41] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/recession/5194711/IMF-puts-losses-from-financial-crisis-at-4.1-trillion.html [13:41] Camarade_Tux, ted? [13:41] heh, Ted is my name... i guess i am a nice editor [13:41] and [13:41] slackytude, =) [13:41] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/recession/5195458/IMF-says-UK-facing-bailout-bill-of-200bn.html [13:42] Necos: wrong guess :p [13:42] slackytude, they just announced it on the news so I had a look around [13:42] slackytude, http://www.nllgg.nl/Ted/ [13:42] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host88-74-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:42] on the webs [13:42] oh the webs [13:42] I dont trust stuff from there [13:43] slackytude, but it's an rtf editor, not doc, very light however [13:43] Camarade_Tux, eh, thx [13:43] lol [13:43] (and rtf works well for word) [13:43] slackytude, was on radio news [13:43] rtf is better in abiword [13:43] ted is just... a waste of space.. [13:43] Camarade_Tux, its not that big an issue. Its an exam from 06 that is in .doc format. I dont need to write word compatible and If I had to, Id use OpenOffice [13:44] lol [13:44] no i'm not >.> [13:44] slackytude, have you tried running wordview in wine? [13:44] nvm forget that [13:45] Jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) left irc: "Leaving" [13:45] for CS, we have to chose between four projects, we had the subjects of three of them as pdf files and one as a .doc ; I opened and read all three pdf files in less time than it took for openoffice to launch >< [13:45] lol [13:45] in soviet russia, openoffice launches you [13:46] Camarade_Tux, wait till you get okular - it sucks monkey balls [13:46] dive, I just skimmed over the article but its not that newsworthy. Its nice of the IMF to do some summing up but thats about it [13:46] Camarade_Tux, yeah, loading time of OpenOffice is a pain [13:46] artv61_ (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [13:47] methoxy (n=methoxy@ip72-197-207-247.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:47] erisco (n=kambee@ip72-209-59-92.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:47] dive, apvlv ! [13:47] Linux s10 2.6.29.1 #2 SMP Mon Apr 20 13:14:36 PDT 2009 i686 Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [13:47] I really, really, really love apvlv, and even an emacser friend of mine loves apvlv ;p [13:47] (apvlv has vi keybindings) [13:47] My clock is still set to 4/20 [13:47] deps? [13:47] on my netbook [13:47] wtf [13:47] any idea if it's possible to geta complete dir list out of an slocate db? [13:48] lol [13:48] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:48] Zordrak, if you slocate the dirname maybe [13:48] wtf i got some crazy ass logo [13:48] a badger with a bean mask on it [13:48] dive: good idea [13:48] what is this? in the new linux kernel [13:49] dive, basically gtk [13:49] methoxy: you just met tuz [13:49] its tuz [13:49] Camarade_Tux, looking [13:49] this new kernel is buggy [13:49] /usr/bin/apvlv is 103KB here, and it has a slackbuild :) [13:49] tux+tasmanian devil [13:49] not bean mask but bird mask [13:50] Why did it change? ive compiled this same kernel source 3 times now [13:50] and i had the penguin [13:50] I've always thought that Linux needed more market hype and less engineering. [13:50] methoxy, using lilo ? :D [13:50] its easy to change the picture [13:50] just replace the ppm in the sourcr [13:50] i know [13:50] we should put a big circled 'S' ;p [13:50] Im just wondering why it changed [13:50] coz linus said so [13:50] and wtf i still dont have modules [13:50] Linus had it changed [13:50] lsmod shows nothing [13:51] methoxy, http://lwn.net/Articles/323966/ [13:51] is lsmod suppose to show more than just "Module Size Used by" [13:51] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-152-240.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [13:52] shitting shit... the db is missing these files [13:52] yes [13:52] damnnit [13:52] artv61_ (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:52] im in a position where i can recover everything i deleted [13:52] [tessai@tessai:~ #]> uname -a [13:52] Linux tessai 2.6.29-smp #1 SMP Mon Mar 30 12:52:23 PDT 2009 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6700 @ 2.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [13:52] ^_^ [13:52] but only if i know the filename [13:52] Zordrak, heh [13:52] i really should update to .1 [13:53] has anyone tried autokernconf? [13:53] what does lsmod show [13:53] ? [13:53] obv i can manage main.cf and master.cf on my own [13:53] current loaded kernel modules [13:53] but not the rest of it [13:53] Zordrak, what happended? [13:53] postfix rocks [13:53] slackytude: *I* happened :( [13:53] Zordrak, oi! [13:53] and whats up with my alsactl : set_control:1273: failed to obtain info for control #{1-14} [13:53] i forgot to cd before rm [13:53] O_o [13:53] set_control:1273: failed to obtain info [13:53] Zordrak: ouch. [13:53] in which dir? [13:53] googling [13:54] slackytude: momentary lapse [13:54] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:54] Zordrak, he, it's only O(255^n) complexity :) [13:54] Zordrak, shit happens [13:54] (to try everything that is ;p ) [13:54] bottom line is i can now recover it all [13:54] but i dont know the filenames [13:54] Camarade_Tux, worse if it was utf-8 console [13:55] Kerio2004 (n=Port@212.118.140.229) left irc: Connection timed out [13:55] slackytude, well, that still makes it O(255^n) :D O(255^(2*n)) ;p [13:55] othermindszine (n=othermin@35.sub-70-193-6.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [13:55] WOO!! I gottem! [13:55] ZZ Top is great :) [13:56] Disseminate: ext3grep FTW!! [13:56] ext3grep [13:56] nifty [13:57] good show [13:57] friggin works *properly* [13:57] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [13:58] ye gods! [13:58] Im toast [13:59] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:00] Action: dive wants slackytude with marmalade on top [14:00] -_- [14:00] nomnom [14:00] a you a girl? [14:00] Action: dive ducks [14:00] no but I have erm 'interesting' tastes [14:00] althos, its usually cream [14:01] man [14:01] when you said 'toast' that was it I'm afraid [14:01] gah [14:01] lol [14:01] Im toast, cos Ive got lab tomorrow and no fucking clue [14:01] cl? [14:01] cl? [14:01] computer lab [14:01] well, robotics, yeah [14:02] goddamnit [14:02] that sucks my bluetooth doesnt load either [14:02] should i reinstall slack? [14:02] maybe it got nerfed [14:02] i cant copy and paste these files because gpm wont load cos it cant write its pid and wont let me rehouse it [14:02] why cant it write its pid [14:02] readonly? [14:02] readonly FS? [14:03] yah [14:03] methoxy, the answer to your problems are not to reinstall [14:03] mount a ramdisk, write pid there [14:03] slackytude: i have a usb stick in it [14:03] unless you did some really dumb stuff during the install that a reinstall would be faster to fix [14:03] even better [14:03] but it wont let me tell it to write elsewhere [14:04] mount as /var ? [14:04] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:04] you probably need to mount /var/run or something [14:04] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.175.170.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:05] balls [14:05] gavin___ (n=gavin@wsip-70-166-89-41.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:05] kinda stupid to have the path hardcoded [14:05] no joy [14:05] problem with the dev node [14:05] not gonna happen [14:05] dev of mouse? [14:05] just gonna have to type em out 1 by 1 [14:05] well, you could mount /dev as well [14:05] /dev/gpmctl [14:06] oh [14:06] see you in about 3 hours then [14:06] not gonna happen [14:06] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:08] bruc3 (n=bruc3@189.56.20.108) joined ##slackware. [14:09] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:09] bruc3 (n=bruc3@189.56.20.108) left ##slackware. [14:10] yosii (n=yosi@71.143.168.182) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:10] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:10] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:11] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:11] I like the opera mail client [14:11] greeting Old_Fogie [14:11] hidee ho :) [14:11] Action: firebird619 waves hello to Old_Fogie [14:11] hidee ho indeed :) [14:11] Old_Fogie: That wireless VM conversation the other day is now on noobfarm. :) [14:12] oh? :) [14:13] Old_Fogie: I looked this morning and there it was. I submitted it last night, I didn't know if anyone else had. [14:13] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) joined ##slackware. [14:14] hahaha, good stuff [14:15] yosii (n=yosi@71.143.168.182) joined ##slackware. [14:15] thank god for bash for loops [14:15] mmhmm [14:16] So, how are you doing today Old_Fogie? [14:16] tired, coffee no working here [14:16] and you? [14:16] Old_Fogie: How much coffee have you had so far? [14:16] two cups [14:16] Old_Fogie: I'm doing great. Thank you. [14:16] "tall" cups too [14:17] I may have to go "intravenus" soon [14:17] Old_Fogie: time for intravenous coffee? [14:17] He, I like the "N o o o o o o B" on noobfarm ;p [14:17] yeah man , ahhaha ( I wish) [14:17] lol, yeah, maybe. [14:18] Camarade_Tux: So do I, I noticed that last night. [14:18] good stuff on noobfam ^-^ [14:18] noobfarm = rss with extreme prejudice [14:19] -_-; [14:19] I should probably shut up now [14:19] s/rss/lastlog [14:19] oh great, the example code for the lab tomorrow comes in 58 files [14:19] word docs? [14:19] c++ [14:19] slackytude: wow. Lot of work ahead of you? [14:20] seems like it [14:20] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433931.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:20] well, Ive got like 18 hours or so if I dont sleep or work [14:20] or I might just chicken out and ask me mate who already did it [14:21] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433931.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:21] if I can reach him that is [14:21] well, I need to leave this computer and this room if I ever want to do my work for tomorrow ;p [14:21] bbl :) [14:21] later Camarade_Tux [14:21] bb [14:21] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl10-116-164.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:22] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [14:22] heh, #define PI 3.14159265 [14:23] 'sed -i 's/PI/w00t/g' *.cpp [14:24] _300th_connectee (i=500d7232@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4c48dc17833138b3) joined ##slackware. [14:25] <_300th_connectee> yeah ! 300 users online ! :D [14:25] er so your are 301? [14:25] no, 299 ;) [14:25] 48 [14:25] I guess I can disconnect that now :D [14:26] _300th_connectee (i=500d7232@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4c48dc17833138b3) left ##slackware. [14:26] I'm gonna find a confy couch [14:26] Action: Camarade_Tux really leaves now [14:26] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:26] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:27] . [14:27] .. [14:27] ... [14:27] .... [14:28] ... [14:28] .. [14:28] . [14:28] [14:29] \0/ [14:29] | [14:29] *ouch* [14:29] winnar [14:29] yeah that looks painful [14:29] trunk transplant [14:32] get a hobby:P [14:32] o.O [14:32] i mean [14:32] .... [14:32] ... [14:32] Thats better [14:33] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-119-51.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. [14:33] Ekc (n=iskar@79-100-12-217.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [14:34] Nick change: gavin___ -> gavin___-in [14:35] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Time for class. 8 days left" [14:37] . [14:37] .. 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[14:43] i'll be 23 end of september [14:43] my dreams and hopes thrown to the curb. [14:43] sooo you don't have to be an old fart [14:44] oh damn [14:44] ah, jolly good [14:44] we where gonna run away to spain [14:44] I was JUST about to say marriage + kids = old, except I'm older than nix_chix [14:44] looks like my lab partner has a clue [14:44] clamshell (n=Prem@61.17.165.172) joined ##slackware. [14:44] and grow carrots :( [14:44] nope v6 apparently [14:44] lol [14:44] oh yeah dive i could have told you that [14:44] 170hp [14:44] she just had the baby, so she's not that old =p [14:44] ... [14:44] i told you i'm tired:)) [14:45] if it's v6 it ain't gonna be.. [14:45] every time i lay down to nap he wakes up [14:45] sleeping gas helps [14:45] maybe i'm reading up on a different thing then [14:45] it said 170hp [14:45] try him first and if that don't work take a dose yourself [14:45] rofl [14:47] hehehe [14:47] Action: acidchil1 wedges nix_chix in public [14:47] nix_chix, stop sniffing glue [14:47] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.19.211) left irc: "Leaving" [14:47] edman007, never [14:47] 170? [14:47] thats it? [14:47] and remember pants when you go outside [14:47] straterra, well 170 pony power [14:47] lol [14:47] yeah straterra must be a bit er small [14:47] and she won't even give me one pony! [14:47] edman007 stop sniffing your own cum [14:48] I used to have a Hyndai Pony. That car was awesome, it might as well have been a tank. [14:48] dive, http://www.montavonmotors.com/Default.aspx?inventoryid=26105628&page=preowned-inventory [14:48] ewwwww [14:48] euwhww [14:48] I drove it until it literally caught fire. [14:48] there is a picture of you licking it on 4chan [14:48] acidchil1, then get out of my face [14:48] i'm not wearing pants but imade sure the door was unlocked [14:48] and while it was on fire, I was thinking "crap, I gotta make it home!" so I drove it, aflame, all the way home. [14:48] piroko (n=jeremy@pohl.ececs.uc.edu) left ##slackware. [14:49] Action: edman007 locks nix_chix's door and puts her outside [14:49] fag [14:50] lol [14:50] i feel the love in the room [14:50] shut it. [14:50] H4ck3r (n=chatzill@173.57.156.2) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:50] nix_chix, just give me my pony [14:50] nobody wants to hear it Necox! [14:50] err [14:50] you have 170! [14:50] NO pony for youuu sorrry [14:50] i ated him [14:50] >.> [14:50] :( [14:52] muha [14:52] dive, you see that car [14:52] it's pretty [14:52] i want it [14:52] yeah lloks nice [14:52] naoow [14:52] looks* [14:52] i'm pretty sure i can talk it down a couple hundo as well [14:53] how old is it? [14:53] nix_chix, this is how i roll -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Endeavour [14:53] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:53] dunno like usa years etc [14:53] 2002 [14:53] which one nix_chix? [14:53] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.37.171) joined ##slackware. [14:54] 2002 mazda millenia p special edition [14:54] Necos, the one with the eated pony [14:54] done a lot of milage [14:54] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [14:54] it used to be 150000 =end of life [14:54] but a bit better now days [14:54] maybe a long time ago [14:55] mazdas can easily get 300k if they are taken care of [14:55] as with any well built car too [14:55] I can't help feeling it's overpriced though [14:55] it's priced at dealers blue book value [14:55] i checked [14:55] dive, my car is almost at 150k... [14:55] it's priced right for it's condition [14:56] mine is more [14:56] i will ask them to go down on the price though [14:56] one sec cos i forgot [14:56] mazda :/ [14:56] zoom zoom zoom thats what i'll do [14:56] and i'll drive to you edman007 and show you the pony you can never have [14:56] hohohoho [14:56] noooo [14:57] booyah [14:57] i shall take the pony from you [14:57] mine is 173185 [14:57] or wait for nix_chix|mini can walk and make him ship it [14:57] saab 9000 was ovepriced at £600 [14:58] I use to have a peugeot desiel 305 -- had 250K+ [14:58] nice car ^_^ [14:58] Action: edman007 gets the old jeep Cherokee that we use to have, had around ~450k [14:59] edman007 wins [14:59] peugeot wow... [14:59] that must have been nice! [14:59] jeeps get horrible gas milleage [15:00] wait...not it was a jeep comanche [15:00] they stopped making those... [15:00] clamshell (n=Prem@61.17.165.172) left irc: "Leaving" [15:03] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.81.165) joined ##slackware. [15:03] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [15:03] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.175.170.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:09] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:10] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:11] <_guitarman_> hi all, i'm about to compile my first kernel and am following the alienbob instructions for the 2.6 series. i am doing this to get realtime support for multimedia apps - is enabling the low latency kernel and preemptible kernel and timer frequency stuff what makes the so called realtime kernel that i see distro's like debian and ubuntu have -kernel-rt ? [15:12] _guitarman_: No, if you want real-time, you need the RT patch for the kernel. [15:12] _guitarman_: try not to compare us to debian et al... not a good idea [15:12] _guitarman_: Look here. http://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page. [15:14] is RT even worth it? [15:14] I doubt that you need realtime capabilities for multimedia [15:14] Necos: That's debatable I think. I have it though. [15:14] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:14] YOu do want the low-latency and preemptive settings [15:14] Hi alienBOB. How are you doing? [15:15] Not in the best of moods (sleep deprived)... I am waiting for a nice troll to crush [15:15] are the "real time" patches even maintained? I thought that was Klon Calivas's work, and he quit [15:15] <_guitarman_> alienBOB - so a recompile of a newer kernel from source for my slackware 12.2 pc following your instructions for better multimedia support should be sufficent to reduce latency rather then the stock SMP kernel that comes with Slack 12.2 [15:15] Old_Fogie: Yes. [15:15] maintained by who now? [15:16] <_guitarman_> or do you think i should recompile my existing kernel to have that support. [15:16] Necos: I've read articles that swear by RT, and other's that say it's not worth it. Apps like Muse require either low-latency or RT. [15:16] jumperboy (n=jorey@gl206.websiteproject.net) joined ##slackware. [15:16] Old_Fogie: I'm not sure, I just know that when a new kernel comes out, there's an rt patch right there for it. [15:16] low-latency should be sufficient [15:16] firebird619, ah, ok. [15:17] you'd think if they were good enought they'd be in the kernel, but anyhow. [15:17] Old_Fogie: I've been using rt lately with the project myself and a few others here have going. [15:17] Old_Fogie: Yeah, exactly. I'm not sure it provides a ton of benefits. [15:17] benefits worth having it in the kernel anyway. [15:17] <_guitarman_> i pulled down the very current 2.6.29 kernel - would it be better for me to use my existing config file or one of pats more recent config files for the kernel... i am currently running the stock 2.6.27.7 kernel that comes with 12.2 [15:18] Take the .config of slackware-current and use that as a starting point [15:18] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:18] _guitarman_, well the config from slackware seems to fix the ati building issue for me, and I always use his stuff (he knows a couple two-three things more than me :) [15:19] <_guitarman_> ok thanks alienBOB and Old_Fogie [15:19] <_guitarman_> i will grab that now. lol I am excited. the last time i did this I couldn't boot -hahaha hopefully i can get it right this time. [15:20] <_guitarman_> i'm doing this so i can try out jacktrip - realtime internet jamming thorugh jack. but my latency is pretty bad right now so hoping to enable the realtime stuff so i can do it [15:20] Old_Fogie: Another thing with the RT patch, is it's in heavy development yet. Just since 2.6.29.1 came out, the rt patch has changed 2-3 times. It's a moving target if you want to keep up with it. [15:21] nah, I'm fine with huge-smp-huge with pre-empt yes, 300khz timer, and module the filesystems, but build in jfs. that's all the tweaks I do. [15:22] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:23] Hmm, my permissions are still weird. I set them to firebird:users, but it keeps showing firebird:vboxusers for files like on the Desktop, etc. How can I get that fixed? [15:24] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:24] Hmm, /home is back to vboxusers too. [15:27] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.37.171) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:27] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:29] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.90.178) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:30] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.90.178) joined ##slackware. [15:31] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [15:31] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) left irc: "leaving" [15:31] <_guitarman_> um, alienBOB - in the xconfig program you suggest compiling in EXT3 in the kernel as opposed to it being added as a module- if it has a check mark beside it, does that mean its in kernel, and if it has a . (or dot) does that mean its a module? [15:32] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] skapazzo (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) joined ##slackware. [15:32] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:32] if you are booting on an ext3 drive, yes [15:32] No idea offhand, I never use xconfig (only menuconfig) [15:32] <_guitarman_> lol hmmm maybe i should run that then [15:32] _guitarman_: In menuconfig X is built-in and M is module. I don't know what it is in xconfig. [15:33] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:33] _guitarman_: After googling, a . in xconfig means module. [15:34] <_guitarman_> oh thx firebird619. sorry i should have done that myself. this area is pretty funky if u never seen it before [15:34] your welcome. :) [15:34] then you should be doing your research beforehand ^_~ [15:35] <_guitarman_> lol Necos - well, I am reading alienBOB's guide. but yeah - i am sure i could be even more resourceful then that [15:36] _ohm (n=mark@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:36] anybody here good with inverse kinematics? [15:36] inverse kinematics? lol [15:36] example? [15:37] <_guitarman_> wow - this is really cool you can rip out all the stuff that u don't need - like ham radio etc [15:37] <_guitarman_> well for me rather [15:37] hrm, consider a robot arm with several joints. you move the endpoint and all the pieces have to move as well [15:37] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [15:37] _guitarman_: Yes, it's quite configurable, just be careful what you remove, etc. [15:38] Action: slackytude probably needs #math [15:38] <_guitarman_> lol k - i will try not to slice and dice 2 much. you can all laugh when i reboot and dont re-appear... hopefully that doesn't happen ;) [15:38] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl11-180-56.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:38] _guitarman_: Just keep your old kernel there in case the new one has issues. [15:39] _guitarman_: Also, the help for each item can help explain things too. [15:39] <_guitarman_> thx firebird619 - you are right [15:40] the "Building Embedded Linux Systems" link in the docs for the RT patch should indicate what RT is used for =p [15:41] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009004004.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:45] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. 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[15:59] that shit sucks [16:00] don't know, I avoid slashdot [16:00] Hey nullboy. How's it going? [16:02] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.241.162) joined ##slackware. [16:02] nullboy, its confusing [16:02] grab (n=at@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:02] hello [16:02] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: No route to host [16:02] hello [16:02] hi all [16:03] Hi D-r_Flower [16:03] :) [16:03] slackytude: it makes the page bounce all over for a few seconds each time i scroll down so i loose my place [16:03] well, i have a question to wonder about :) :) :) [16:03] D-r_Flower: wonder away. You can ask the question too if you want. :P [16:04] D-r_Flower: sure :) [16:04] i have internet now with dhcp, from today [16:04] but i am behind NAT [16:04] I have a problem using my new 2.6.29.1 kernel. I used raid and lvm and with the 2.6.27.7 kernel I have no problem but with 2.6.29.1 I have a kernel panic and I think that my hard drive is not detected : raid assemble with 2 drives instead of 3. [16:04] is it dangerous, or does it have matter if i get ip without nat [16:04] My third drive is connected on pci device using silicon image pci card [16:05] the module is loaded inside initrd [16:05] (patasil680) [16:05] my only reasons are relatet to pp [16:06] but the boot is too fast to see an eventual loading module error message [16:07] nullboy, same here [16:09] Action: Necos prods nullboy a few times [16:09] o/ [16:10] D-r_Flower, I dont understand your question [16:10] D-r_Flower, where is the dhcp server? [16:11] well, is it dangorous to have my linux mashine opened to internet. because i use firewall made with guarddog [16:11] the dhcp server is located on the local net [16:12] O_o [16:12] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [16:12] What do you think the best backup software is on Savannah? Several exist, but I am surprised Slackware or KDE do not have another but cpio... it would be more useful to a scientist than most of those media players.... [16:12] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [16:12] well,arent you connected to the internet with your linux machine right now? [16:13] yes, i am :) [16:13] I still dont get your question [16:13] hm, i have to reconfigur emy firewall [16:13] if you are using guarddog and you are using it properly then there should be no problem [16:14] ok, is it guardog-made firewall script anought to save my mashine from internet, if my mashine is directly accessed from inernet [16:14] D-r_Flower: what services are running on your workstation? [16:14] now i am behind nad, to use nad or not to use [16:14] nat...? [16:14] uh [16:14] wow [16:14] nothing, just i have p2p software [16:15] yes, nat, sorry [16:15] I asked my friend who is quite a wizard but he says his scripts at work do not do a double verification of files... though maybe what cpio does is enoguh. It is just that when konqueror uses cp it does not verify certain things. [16:15] duryodha1 (n=duryodha@122.167.202.0) joined ##slackware. [16:15] verify operations could be simply an md5sum of both sets of files [16:16] dchmelik: what kind of backups are you required to created? [16:16] dchmelik: i just use really simple rsync commands [16:16] created/create [16:16] lol nullboy... i expect more proper grammar from you =p [16:16] dang man [16:16] caffeine hasn't kicked in yet ;) [16:16] mofo it's 115 in the afternoon [16:16] dchmelik, you could take a look at amanda and bacula if you need heavy duty backup stuff [16:16] I just want to back up all my scientific files, music & texts & art I made with a GUI program [16:17] but if rsync is easier I will try to learn it more [16:17] _ohm (n=mark@nom24328b.nomadic.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:17] dchmelik: rsync is fast after the initial backup is done. after that it's really quick and you can always tar or compress it with a script [16:18] the first run will take some time but subsequent runs will be quick [16:18] I thought rsync was mainly a replacement for ftp... rsync sounds like an excellent solution [16:18] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:18] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) joined ##slackware. [16:18] dchmelik: i look at rsync as a perfect copy tool for situations where you will be copying the same stuff with a few changes over and over again [16:18] rsync ownz ftp [16:19] aka: backups [16:19] and [16:20] may i do some settings on my box to improve ping, i have slower ping then with vpn [16:20] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:20] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:21] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:21] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:21] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [16:22] However, I was thinking about what a backup program/script could do if you change your directory structure... if one has hundreds of thousands of However, I was thinking a file manager would be nice if it let you change the directory structure of both your disk and its backup simultaneously... if one has about 100000 files it is tedious to change after you think of an organization improvement to your on-disk tree. [16:22] sorry, kopete did not show the first part of the sentence I typed a minute before [16:23] since it does not have variable-width text I may as well switch back to irssi [16:23] dchmelik, rsync does that [16:23] if you have that many files, you should really spend more time planning than moving things around just for organization later, hell, i have trouble just trying to figure out how to sort my mp3s [16:23] konversation is better than kopete for irc [16:24] I have little trouble with mp3s... but arranging the Philosophy & science, like the range from CS to math to writing takes a lot of thinking sometimes [16:25] the -delete flag will delete files that are in backup but not in original store anymore [16:25] which can be quite dangerous [16:25] catogorized subdirectories is what i use for movies, music and video [16:25] dchmelik: it will delete things that are gone or moved and if they were just moved it rsyncs them to their new location [16:26] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-96-190.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:26] Hello [16:26] my backup scripts are push only [16:26] i push from the client to the server..NEVER from server to client [16:26] Hello fredoslack. How are you? [16:27] if you go from server to client after the first client to server push you will erase everything on the client since the last backup [16:27] also just to clarify, rsync can work over the network or locally [16:27] firebird619, nice :) [16:27] rsync sounds awesome... I guess that is alright if it deletes things that are gone, but there should be a way to prompt you in case it was accidentaly deleted... I would probably remember if I did, but some people might not be so thorough. [16:28] but I can't up to slack 12..2 [16:28] 12.2 [16:28] fredoslack: Why not? [16:28] problem whith nvisia.o snif [16:28] ko * [16:28] dchmelik, that might take scripting work [16:28] sorry$ [16:28] dchmelik, compare source and destination, ask user to verify [16:29] student came in to ask for some color prints [16:29] dchmelik, doable, but takes more than rsync alone [16:29] slackytude / dchmelik: you'd have to do some source <-> dest compare or test [16:29] fredoslack: nvidia? [16:29] firebird619, yes [16:29] nullboy, yeah, said so [16:29] ah! [16:29] What type of problems? Any errors? [16:29] Yeah, I think it would... OTOH I would mainly use it like nullboy and only restore it if I ever reinstall the whole OS. [16:29] fredoslack: ^^ [16:29] it's works well whith 2.6.23' kernel [16:29] dchmelik: exactly [16:29] but not whith 2.6.27 [16:29] and 2.6.29 [16:29] :'( [16:29] dchmelik: the only time i go from server back to client is after a fault or a reinstall ;) [16:30] since I dont use --delete, I do a push to server and the pull from server [16:30] so I can have a central storage I can remotly access with multiple clients having the same copy [16:30] fredoslack: I've used nvidia with both 2.6.27 and am on 2.6.29 now and it works fine. I have an older card though. Which one do you have? [16:30] firebird619, i live my slack lol [16:30] love * [16:30] fredoslack: are you trying to upgrade by that method of going to single-user mode and upgrading all packages? I just figured that out for 12.2 but I made a few mistakes. [16:30] nvidia is working fine in 2.6.27.21 here [16:31] :( [16:31] slackytude: you could also keep an external disk backup of everything and then double copy to CD everything that was even more important [16:31] that is why I like nullboy's method [16:31] fredoslack: Do you get any errors, or what happens. You know you have to rebuild the driver for the new kernel, right? [16:31] othermindszine (n=othermin@35.sub-70-193-6.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:31] firebird619, I used 180.51 pilot [16:32] dchmelik, I have external disk storage, but what I described I use for my university stuff. I have access to it as long as I have an ssh client [16:32] dchmelik, and changes I made can get pulled by every other location [16:32] work, home, laptop, lab comps [16:33] fredoslack: I use the 173 legacy drivers. You rebuilt the drivers for the new kernel? [16:33] I wish my university had that type of access but they are pretty commercial [16:33] no ssh? [16:33] cheap bastards [16:33] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [16:33] fail >.> [16:33] firebird619, "Invalid module version" [16:33] i instlaled 180.51 just about 15 minutes ago [16:33] does 180.51 compile under 2.6.30X yet? [16:34] not except in CS classes maybe, but I almost finished those and am finishing math [16:34] fredoslack: When do you see that? [16:34] firebird619, in /var/log/nvidia* [16:35] Maybe I just need to try some external RAID complete mirror... but rsync sounds simpler and cheaper [16:36] fredoslack: Hmm, I'm not sure about that, I've never had that error before. [16:36] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.165.100) left irc: "leaving" [16:36] firebird619, the pilote 180.51 works nice under kernel 2.6.23 [16:36] (slack 12.1) [16:37] but not under 2.6.27 [16:37] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [16:37] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.95.101) joined ##slackware. [16:37] (and under 2.6.29 [16:37] :( [16:37] fau__ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:37] fredoslack: Wish I could help you more, but I'm not sure with that issue. Maybe Pig_Pen has more ideas beings he just installed it. [16:38] firebird619, ok tanks very much ;) [16:38] thanks * [16:38] your welcome [16:39] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [16:40] Nick change: gavin___-in -> gavin___ [16:40] grab (n=at@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) left ##slackware. [16:40] bye [16:40] thinks you [16:40] for your help [16:40] :) [16:40] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-96-190.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware ("Quitte"). [16:42] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.110.202) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:44] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:44] hmmm, can anyone recommend a good external usb enclosure for an ide drive? [16:44] Necos: I have a CP Tech enclosure that's nice for me, but it's for sata. [16:44] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:45] not sure what to say, maybe when you build a kernel build the graphics features as modules where possible [16:45] Pig_Pen: he left. :) [16:45] sound / video should almost always be built as mods =p [16:45] why would you not see anything in lsmod? [16:45] i bet it has to do with the way he built his kernel [16:45] Action: Necos googles [16:45] kinesis, no modules loaded [16:45] why would that be? [16:46] Pig_Pen: That's what I'm thinking. I've never had issues with building the kernel and then nvidia issues. [16:46] he forgot to make modules_install i bet =p [16:46] everything built-in or made error during kernel compile [16:46] I have one or two Vantec/Nexstar IDE enclosures that seem nice [16:46] no i did [16:46] i did modules install [16:46] lsmod is in /sbin, that is not in a users path, use the full path in the command /sbin/lsmod [16:46] kinesis: can you show us what this tell you? ls -alh /lib/modules/ [16:46] still nothing [16:46] one sec [16:46] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-96-190.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:47] Pig_Pen, shouldnt matter [16:47] I got one used from a good computer store I have gone to for 12 years [16:47] my kernel is in /boot/bzImage-2.6.29.1 [16:47] and i see this in /lib/odules: [16:47] it sure does if he is not using the full path and he is trying to run it as a user [16:47] Pig_Pen, eh, its in /bin for me [16:47] drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4.0K 2009-04-21 10:26 2.6.29.1/ [16:47] lsmod? [16:47] should i make that 2.6.29.1-s10 ? [16:48] gonna try that, couldnt hurt [16:48] /bin/lsmod [16:48] what does uname -a show [16:48] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-96-190.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [16:48] nullboy: well I got freeradius up and running, and using madwifi or ath5k on the client side I'm getting "alert unknown ca" [16:48] kinesis: you have nothing in /lib/modules ? [16:48] drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4.0K 2009-04-21 10:26 2.6.29.1/ [16:48] i have that [16:48] uh [16:48] but it should be 2.6.29.1-s10 [16:48] kinesis: i thought you said that you use LOCALVERSION before? [16:48] thats new, lsmod did not used to be in /bin [16:48] there is no extraversion attached to it [16:49] yes [16:49] uname -a has it [16:49] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:49] uname -a shows everything and why one need not name vmlinuz with a number. [16:49] the moduls dont [16:49] ok sec [16:49] kinesis: you did something wrong then [16:49] weird [16:49] it didnt append my extraversion to the kernel either [16:49] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [16:49] dchmelik, no number? [16:50] ah, /bin/lsmod is a symlink pointing to /sbin/lsmod, i guess pat started doing that in 12.2 ? i dont remember that being there before [16:50] Pig_Pen, got it in 12.1 [16:50] ok [16:51] ok yeah my extraversion got nerfed.. somehow [16:51] I prefer not to... I was used to command.com where you just type ver (like uname) [16:51] dchmelik, shouldnt hurt [16:52] kinesis, so uname -a shows kernel with local append but you dont have a module dir for it [16:52] kinesis: i don't mean to insult you if you do not actually need this but here it is anyway. I wrote this up as a quick and easy way to install your own kernel and avoid conflicts with the stock modules and kernel http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/kernel-build-generic-method.txt [16:52] no it didnt show the append [16:52] uname -a has it [16:52] it will work after this, i figured it out [16:52] H4ck3r (n=chatzill@utdpat242007.utdallas.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:53] i really want to get my cellular modem working however [16:53] I know [16:53] you are trying for days now [16:53] kinesis: i got to hand it to ya, you are not giving up even though you made many mistakes building kernels in the past, that is one way to figure out how to do it right, but eliminating the wrong ways to do it (which are many) [16:53] I vividly remeber you trying to boot from usb stick [16:53] lol [16:54] took you twelve hours or so [16:54] somehing I was worrying about with rsync is if it deletes something you have moved before it backs it up and then crashes... which I why I was wondering about RAID. [16:54] you should be done in 2012 if you dont speed up [16:54] i wasted 3 hours trying to figure out that my dvd iso wasnt even done [16:54] there is a lot to be said for determination :D [16:54] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.90.178) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:54] lol [16:55] http://www.break.com/index/it-guy-vs-dumb-employees.html [16:55] lol [16:55] straterra: lol that one is awesome [16:55] is that the Halo one? [16:55] yes [16:55] lmao [16:55] also, www.thewebsiteisdown.com [16:55] that is basically how i learned to build a kernel, reading lots of readme files & forums, and used my extra disk partition with a bootable copy of my working install [16:57] you mean you compiled something of your own into the kernel? [16:57] you can do that [16:59] edman007: you here? [16:59] duryodha1 (n=duryodha@122.167.202.0) left irc: "bye-bye" [16:59] edman007: have you noticed that the kvm project seems to have stalled with their tarball releases? [17:00] i have to buy like 4 enclosures, so i wanna get 'em relatively cheap [17:01] newegg [17:02] straterra, nice ^-^ [17:02] dude has a cool setup as well [17:03] stillbor1 (n=stillbor@KMMMCLIX.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [17:03] Necos: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182154 ? [17:04] straterra, lolz [17:06] if im trying to use intelfb do i remove vesa ? [17:06] framebuffer [17:07] bye all [17:07] that vid where they are troubleshooting the server is hilarious [17:07] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.241.162) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [17:07] ? [17:07] =( [17:07] http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1337267&CatId=2779 hmmm [17:08] does y laptop need i2c? [17:08] the problem is how soon i'd get it lol [17:08] need 'em by friday [17:09] Necos: better order now. :P [17:10] Gatto (n=Romeo~@host41-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [17:10] lol [17:11] Pig_Pen, "There is no Arrange by Penis" [17:11] I loled [17:12] vdvluc (n=luc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: Client Quit [17:12] yeah, never seen icons arranged like that before [17:12] heh, nor me [17:12] H4ck3r_ (n=chatzill@utdpat242007.utdallas.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:13] nice idea to find your stuff [17:13] watching the excel hell vid now [17:13] ? [17:13] lol wtf slackytude [17:13] Necos, ? [17:14] i must have missed something there =p [17:14] Is that the video of the it guy playing quake or something, then gets pissed off a t a salesman who needs tech support? [17:14] was that a quote from a video (i was dialing a phone number) [17:14] If it's the one I'm thinking of, yes. [17:14] Possibly the best quote of the whole thing [17:15] anyone backing up to media with fixed size [17:15] like cd/dvd [17:15] I'm preparing to. It sure is the bane of my existance. [17:15] Is there any issue with upgrading udev? Can I safely do it? [17:15] Why? [17:15] a know what... [17:15] *ya know what... [17:15] fuck best buy [17:15] >.> [17:15] H4ck3r (n=chatzill@utdpat242007.utdallas.edu) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:16] Necos: ++ for sure. but why? :D [17:16] them and their 200% markup [17:16] that PC desperately needs fdisked and the guy at the desk should be fired [17:16] H4ck3r (n=chatzill@utdpat242007.utdallas.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:17] metoxy: I would recommend trying it with the vesa fb but then removing it if it does not work... I did like 150 kernels just to try to figure out one fb... it is complicated [17:17] drive enclosures i see for 20$ are 60 there [17:17] wtf, who buys anything computer related from best buy? [17:17] Action: Necos points out that he needs drive enclosures by friday [17:18] Necos, yeah it was ^-^ [17:18] stillborn (n=stillbor@YKMMCLXXVIII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:18] _ohm (n=mark@nom24328b.nomadic.ncsu.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:18] _ohm (n=mark@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:18] Shingoshi, updating udev? beware! why do you want to do it? [17:19] Necos: Be that as it may, there isn't a local computer shop? [17:19] have it shipped overnight [17:19] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:19] expensive though [17:19] most of the ones in LA have closed down [17:19] Necos: I find that very confusing. Is there no market for cheap computer parts in LA? [17:20] i used to live in san diego county, i have relatives in Ontario & La Puente (near LA) [17:20] very small [17:20] la puente... god i hate that place lol [17:20] it's as bad as being in the valley... [17:20] weatherwise [17:21] lots of old folks & gated trailor parks? [17:21] Did you know the drummer for Red Hot Chili Peppers' birth name is Chadwick Gaylord Smith ? [17:21] / [17:21] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.207.232) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:21] i need a touchpad protector [17:21] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.207.232) joined ##slackware. [17:21] maybe i can cut a sticker [17:22] a cool logo sticker of some kind [17:22] just use a razor to cut the exact dimensions [17:22] hehe [17:22] thts one thing that effects laptop resale [17:22] i had to sell my laptop over ebay it was heavily worn [17:22] crzpc (n=mrc@adsl-ull-24-128.50-151.net24.it) joined ##slackware. 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[18:19] i wish someone would shoot a few riaa attorneys [18:19] brb, killing riaa [18:19] ? [18:19] cyborg6 (n=angie@24-180-217-147.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:19] daskjfasdkjfkasjdfkasdfkasdklfjaskdjfaksdfjkasdfjkasdf [18:19] ldasfkjaksdfkasdjfkasdjfkajsdkgj;asdkgasdkhgjasdghjasdhjgasdg [18:20] FAIL [18:20] cyborg6 (n=angie@24-180-217-147.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [18:20] cyborg6 (n=angie@24-180-217-147.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:20] he types really fast :) [18:20] what is this talk about RIAA Attacks Free Software Foundation ? [18:20] dskjfjasdhfjasdfjhasdjfajsdhfjasdfhasdjfhjdhasf [18:20] adsfjasdfkjdaskfjasdfkjdkasfjkdasjfkasfkadfjd;kdkjasf;las;dkjf;asdkjf [18:20] daskfjkasdfkjasdfksadjfkjsadfjasdjkfjkasdfjkasdkjfjkakjfsdjsadfkjasdkjjksfad [18:20] cyborg6 (n=angie@24-180-217-147.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [18:20] cyborg6 (n=angie@24-180-217-147.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:20] i don't understand jibberish [18:20] dsajfajsdhfjasdjfhasdjfhasjdfhjsajdfhajsdfhasdf [18:20] dskfjasjdfjsadhfdasjfjdashjkfajdfhjasdjfkhasdfjhjasfhjasdhjf [18:20] Pig_Pen, could you elaborate a bit ? [18:20] Action: cyborg6 ajsdfhjasdjfaujsdhfjasdhjfhajsdfjasdfhjsadjfjsdfhj [18:20] Action: cyborg6 asdjhfjasdfjasdjfhjasdfhjaksdfhjasdfhkjjadhsfhjasd [18:20] Action: cyborg6 slaps nik__ [18:21] Action: cyborg6 slaps NaCl [18:21] http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/21/2041241 this will elaborate better than i can [18:21] Action: cyborg6 slaps straterra [18:21] nullboy, rworkman, Alan_Hicks, phrag, alienBOB: ping [18:21] Action: cyborg6 slaps straterra [18:21] ..do some people just not know that /ignore exists? [18:21] Action: cyborg6 slaps straterra [18:21] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [18:21] cyborg6 (n=angie@24-180-217-147.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [18:21] mogunus, that's no reason ;) [18:21] cyborg6 (n=angie@24-180-217-147.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:21] kasfjjasdhfjasdhfjahsdfjhasdfjhasdjfhajsdhfjadsf [18:21] i just ignore retards like cyborg6 [18:21] dskfjasdkjfksdajfkasdjfksdjafkdjas;kjasdfkjsdkasdfkjsdf [18:21] a good kick is still a good kick [18:21] daskfjaskdjfkalsdfjkasdfkadfjskdafjkasdjfkadsfjkdaskfj [18:21] Action: cyborg6 slaps Pig_Pen [18:21] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [18:21] cyborg6 (n=angie@24-180-217-147.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [18:21] cyborg6 (n=angie@24-180-217-147.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:21] ajsdfkjasdhfjasdhfjashdfjashdfjhasdfjhsadjfhasdf [18:21] akdsjfaksdjfkasjfkjasdfkjaskdfjaskdjfkasdfkjasdfkj [18:22] kadjsfjkjasdfkjsdkfjskadfjkasdjfkjsdakjasdkfj [18:22] Action: cyborg6 slaps straterra [18:22] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [18:22] true, nothing wrong with a kick & ban, but while waiting for that to happen just use /ignore [18:22] Action: cyborg6 slaps Pig_Pen [18:22] .... [18:22] Action: straterra wants to DDoS [18:22] Action: cyborg6 slaps Pig_Pen [18:22] cyborg6 (n=angie@24-180-217-147.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [18:22] Pig_Pen, but it doesn't attack FSF in *court* [18:22] cyborg6 (n=angie@24-180-217-147.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:22] give em time [18:22] Action: lns40 stabs cyborg6 [18:22] thats what happens when you hit F1 on boot at the keyboard error warning [18:22] 'dedicated to eliminating restrictions on copying, redistribution, and modifying computer programs' [18:23] I don't even want to imagine the reactions if they attacked FSF... [18:23] Well, pretty much, yeah. [18:23] my son got onto my computer [18:23] Action: NaCl was about to stab cyborg6 [18:23] my greatest appologies [18:23] [Vox] (n=Vox@128.172.190.123) joined ##slackware. [18:23] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [18:23] my boy is out of control, and he needs some attitude adjustment [18:24] You were seconds away from a ban cyborg6 [18:24] next time I'll have to lock my computer [18:24] Yes [18:24] cyborg6: xscreensaver is nice :) [18:24] it is in all reality my fault, sorry [18:24] hehe [18:25] I'm going to have a talk with my son real quick, excuse me [18:25] lol cyborg6 [18:25] on the otherhand, if the riaa does take that idea to court (FSF) maybe that stupid move will be the straw that breaks the camels back and then no judges & court system will accept ANYTHING from the riaa again [18:25] is anyone buying this?!? [18:25] Install electricsheep and all he wants to do is watch the pretty display, not wreck havoc [18:25] chopp: sure [18:25] Unles he repeats it [18:25] wow [18:25] They *are* biased against copyright. Everyone has biases. [18:26] someone should port electric sheep to GPU-computing, it would be soooo much faster :) [18:26] Psychedelic imagery... :) [18:26] With electricsheep you do not need to take the drugs yourself at least [18:27] Nick change: cyborg6 -> bzImage [18:27] the riaa is biased against anyone getting anything without them or some other evil corporate entity getting a cut on it [18:27] can electric sheep do different savers on different macheines? [18:27] ...screens. xinerama screens. [18:27] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.171.236) joined ##slackware. [18:27] Action: Camarade_Tux only use flam3 to render static images [18:27] bzImage: take care of too name-changing and such.. you're under probation [18:27] *too much* [18:28] yes, my normal nick is bzImage, my son changed it [18:28] how old is your son? [18:28] 15 [18:28] he has seen me use IRC often [18:28] Definitely needs an attidude adjustment. :P [18:29] I'm sure he's done some reading up... yes [18:29] 15yr ? or m [18:29] 15 minutes [18:29] yes [18:29] seconds [18:29] inches [18:29] he's a sack of crap [18:29] alienBOB don't brag :p [18:29] Well do not speak so ill of your own son, or I'll start disbelieving your stories [18:29] I only have him every other week [18:30] his mother has some problems [18:30] [Vox] (n=Vox@128.172.190.123) left irc: "Leaving" [18:30] Funny your logon is "Angie" then [18:30] he has no respect for anybody including me [18:30] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Client Quit [18:30] Angie? [18:30] a bad seed [18:31] or egg [18:31] bzImage: angie yes. You're not even using your own computer? [18:31] no [18:31] using windows? [18:31] Stranger and stranger [18:32] what's strange about that [18:32] So where _do_ you use IRC most often then [18:32] probably has a keylogger & trojan sending all your passwords to your evil son [18:32] efnet [18:33] yosii (n=yosi@71.143.168.182) joined ##slackware. [18:33] So why come here using someone else's PC and account? [18:33] I am addicted to IRC :( [18:33] Action: alienBOB is bored and walks away [18:33] .... [18:33] of all the thousands of irc channels why pick ##slackware to spill your guts about your miserable life [18:34] I am a sad person :( [18:34] (_)_)===D [18:34] bzImage (n=angie@24-180-217-147.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) left irc: [18:34] well boy, pull your self together and stick it in gear [18:34] Can you just ban him? [18:34] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:34] He's obviously trolling [18:34] s/sad person/moronic twit/ <-- my impression. [18:34] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [18:35] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [18:39] Action: NyteOwl needs to sell some stuff [18:39] basement too crowded [18:39] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.95.101) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:40] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:42] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@89.181.108.5) joined ##slackware. [18:42] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.60.166) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:42] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [18:43] alienBOB you got mail ;) [18:44] skapazzo (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:45] NyteOwl can't you just ask your imagenairy friends to move out of the basement? [18:47] <_guitarman_> bzImage - I have to lock my PC every time I walk away from it, my son keyed in something very rude (he's 11) when I was in the lottalinuxlinks irc channel [18:47] <_guitarman_> he did the same to someone elses sister. anyways. its happened to me before so I hear ya. [18:47] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032608]" [18:51] spare the rod and spoil the child, i think a good swat on the tush might help along with revoking any privleges he (or she) might enjoy [18:51] Action: nille_ got a feeling that i forgot something today, i wonder whats it was and who's angry on me now? [18:52] My child will quickly find out why it's a bad idea to do things like that. I suspect that a confused query from one of his friends answering "that request" will drive the point home. [18:52] nille_: I had the liboil/schroedinger already updated in my private build of 1.0.0-pre2 but I had not seen all the other updates. Will try adding those to the vlc.SlackBuild and see what happens [18:52] ;) [18:53] atleast you can throw out 2 patches [18:54] hing (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. 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[19:06] cd (n=cd@24.5.14.39) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:06] nogroup is for apache [19:07] cd (n=cd@24.5.14.39) joined ##slackware. [19:09] Thanks Necos and nille_ :) I'm setting up vsftpd which is what I wanted to figure out what I should set the nopriv_user to which group or create a new group for that. [19:10] ftp is for that... [19:10] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] greetings and salutations [19:11] heya andarius [19:11] salutations Necos [19:11] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:12] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:12] hi there andarius [19:12] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:12] salutations dive [19:15] and NIN is sold out, I knew that was going to be a really bad week ='( [19:15] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.82.243) joined ##slackware. [19:15] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [19:16] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] Camarade_Tux, yeah I found same with radiohead - sold out all this years concerts :/ [19:16] othermindszine (n=othermin@35.sub-70-193-6.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [19:17] salutations andarius. How are you? [19:17] Camarade_Tux: That's too bad, was it tickets for the NINJA tour? [19:18] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left ##slackware. [19:19] eviljames, Nine Inch Nails ;) [19:19] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@189-69-85-158.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:19] Camarade_Tux: yea, with Jane's Addiction. NIN/JA [19:19] dive, I could have bought tickets but I was already busy with this bloddy week =/ [19:19] eviljames, heh, so yeah it was NINJA ;p [19:20] but I wasn't even sure I would have been able to attend the live [19:20] I've seen NIN a handful of times, but never JA, so I'm going for sure. [19:20] George, WA ftw [19:21] JA kinda sucks [19:21] ;\ [19:21] I could put up with 30 mins of them to watch NIN [19:22] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:22] very true [19:22] I expected to hear a lot of things, but not that. [19:22] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left ##slackware. [19:22] I haven't eard them for years.. [19:23] Me neither, but if they play Jane Says and/or Been Caught Stealing, then I'm content [19:23] and Oceansize [19:25] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [19:27] I just found out I had spent about 8 months in this studio without knowing there was a place with nice metal lives just down the street (and the street isn't even long) [19:27] yesterday was Walls Of Jericho [19:27] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:28] wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:28] Camarade_Tux: They're still around? Do they still have that chick growling it up? [19:29] eviljames, I don't know, I just didn't know they were there ! [19:29] They live nearby? [19:30] I meant, were there _yesterday_ [19:30] hahah [19:30] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:30] I found out about the live because of the look of people in the street ;p [19:31] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:32] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:32] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:32] Camarade_Tux, follow the moshers [19:34] Nick change: Mess[i]ah -> Emess [19:34] dive, I had work that night too [19:34] ='( [19:34] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [19:34] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [19:34] erisco (n=kambee@ip72-209-59-92.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:36] erisco (n=kambee@ip72-209-59-92.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:36] i'm out... peace :) [19:36] bb [19:38] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-75-35-180-38.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:38] I have something to do for the english course on tomorrow, if I stay up even later to do it, I won't be able to present it, I have to go to bed now, right ? =) [19:38] too late may as well stay up now. [19:39] I need someone to tell me I'm not trying to avoid doing the work :D [19:39] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [19:39] well, I have troubles concentrating [19:39] Um this is SLACKware [19:39] plus it's a powerpoint/... thing, beark [19:40] well if you don't stay up and do the work, you won't have anything to present [19:40] catch 22 [19:40] I'm not even sure we'll all be presenting : we're 15 and presentation is 5 minutes (plus questions) [19:40] I need bc... [19:42] well, I'll take the lappy with me and see if I can do something in less than 15 minutes tomorrow :D [19:42] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [19:42] _Floops (n=baihu@2001:470:a073:0:0:0:0:10) joined ##slackware. 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[19:54] http://mozilla.osuosl.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.0.9/linux-i686/en-US/firefox-3.0.9.tar.bz2 [19:57] what [19:57] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [19:57] what would be a good linux howto to write up - need something for website? [19:58] I've done kernel compile, sendmail, utf8-console so far [19:58] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:58] need more [19:58] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:58] for some reason they all seem too simple [19:59] wow [19:59] software raid setup, LVM setup, [20:00] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Gameover" [20:00] XGizzmo_, never even touch raid.. can't really do a howto on that [20:00] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.111.69) joined ##slackware. [20:01] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:01] and I don't have any way of doing it on my current hw [20:02] dive: linux general or slackware slant? [20:02] either would eb good [20:02] hrm, is it possible to run a command line program, like something i made for an assignment in class, and have all the output saved to a file? not just 'myprogram > log.file' because its an interactive program [20:02] s/eb/be [20:03] stitchman, fopen() [20:03] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [20:03] dive: what? [20:03] well that's c/c++ [20:04] i mean from bash, i dont wanna re-code a lot of couts into file-outs [20:04] which language is it? [20:04] ah [20:04] c++ [20:04] its about 900 lines of code so that option is kinda not in the books [20:04] man fopen [20:05] but that would be extra lines of source - to do it from bash you could maybe use 'tee' [20:05] dive: app compile/install/uninstall (from source) [20:06] lee555J5, yeah maybe [20:06] Pig_Pen they keep coming [20:06] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [20:06] they? whos they? [20:07] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:07] stitchman, 'tee' will let you redirect output to a log and still see output in console [20:08] firerox updates [20:08] yeah, almost as often as i change underware [20:09] underware, haha [20:09] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: Success [20:09] software, hardware, underware? [20:09] crapware :) [20:10] lol [20:10] wetware [20:12] lee555J5, the problem with software compile is it could be too simple unless I pick some normally hard to install app [20:12] but that usually mean finding deps [20:12] and that's largely it [20:12] Mtty (n=Mtty@32.171.238.205) joined ##slackware. [20:13] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:13] perhaps some admin task, but I don't know what [20:14] theZoid (n=john@c-76-26-186-222.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] openexchange or something like it [20:14] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [20:14] nille_, sounds good [20:14] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:14] need to learn that [20:15] so it could be a good one to get to grips with [20:15] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [20:15] othermindszine (n=othermin@35.sub-70-193-6.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:15] dive, setup a box w/ 2 nics as a fw/gw...iptables [20:15] lee555J5, also good [20:16] internet-facing ftp/http/ssh [20:16] and indeed I have a box with 2 nics sitting here [20:16] oh my [20:16] thats to easy and fast [20:16] well I will look at openexchange anyway [20:17] yes i think it would interest some users [20:18] Pig_Pen: *not* shareware :) [20:19] Dominian, you let quotes stay in the noobfram queue without moderation? you are evil! [20:20] lee555J5 you cheap bastard you don't share? [20:20] nille_: not my underware :) [20:20] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [20:21] lee555J5, share? you got booze? [20:21] no but the smell might make you feel funny [20:21] booze? now that computes....lol [20:22] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:22] edman007: in southern MS I do :) *selfish snicker* [20:23] back to Slack...still installing programs take it easy [20:23] lee555J5, well get some of that over here [20:23] theZoid (n=john@c-76-26-186-222.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:23] Action: edman007 is near NYC [20:23] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.111.69) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:23] Action: mmlj4 is as far away from NYC as is possible [20:25] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:25] Action: lee555J5 wishes they sold beer at Waffle House [20:25] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:25] oh gawd, NEVER drink waffle house coffee, i think they make it from dirty dishwater [20:26] mmmmmm.... dirty dishwater [20:28] so thats the secret ingredience [20:29] Pig_Pen they will sue you for sharing that [20:29] lol, I like Huddle House coffee [20:29] they cant draw blood out of a turnip [20:30] They don't have Huddle House everywhere. [20:30] there is a Stuckys on the interstate [20:30] it's nickname is the Greasy Spoon. [20:35] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] Heya,folks...How's everyone? [20:36] hi [20:36] Heya,mrselfpwn [20:36] Hey MLanden. How's it going? [20:36] Good,thanks firebird and yourself? [20:37] mrselfpwn: Did you finish editing the iguana picture? [20:37] MLanden, weren't you the one who owns the eeepc? [20:37] No, i did not. [20:37] :P [20:37] I made some good progress though. [20:37] MLanden: Doing great. Thank you. I got PictureFlow working on rockbox. [20:37] no,not me sorry [20:37] mrselfpwn: Well, a start on it is better than nothing. :P [20:37] good to hear,firebird619 [20:37] yes [20:38] mrselfpwn: I took 104 pictures of clouds today. :P [20:38] wow lol [20:38] I admit I do that too. :D [20:38] Makes a hell of a time to go through them all. [20:39] What was the issue,firebird619? Size of the bmp or the codec it used? [20:39] mrselfpwn: lol, yeah no kidding. [20:40] MLanden: I'm not really sure, I just removed all the album art, re-ran the program that downloads the album art, and now it works. [20:40] lf4 (n=KJR@71.199.22.31) joined ##slackware. [20:40] mrselfpwn: Clouds are great to take pictures of though. [20:41] coulda been just a glitch...but,good to hear,firebird619 [20:41] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [20:41] MLanden: It sure is a nice feature. [20:41] So I've seen on youtube [20:42] So electric sheep is fantastic. [20:42] yht|off (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [20:42] Need to write a script to make it start on all monitors. [20:42] mogunus: lol. that should look interesting. :) [20:42] mogunus: how many monitors do you have? [20:42] firebird619: four [20:43] that should look really nice then, four electric sheep. :D [20:44] yeah. it is a shame that the linux version doesn't use bittorrent to download sheep. [20:44] the servers are always way overloaded. [20:44] what if your not connected to the internet then what happens to the sheep? [20:45] they're cached locally [20:45] they are mpg files [20:45] lf4: Hey, how's it going? [20:45] Doing good firebird619 :) how are you? [20:45] lf4: Doing great. Took 104 pictures of clouds today. :P [20:45] mogunus: Oh Mpg files... lol as screen savers thats interesting. [20:45] Nice [20:46] Action: lf4 has been trying to get vsftpd working for the past hour with no luck. [20:47] This is... disturbing. [20:47] How do I kill audio? [20:47] with a sladgehammer [20:47] firebird619 sounds like you had cloudy weather [20:47] my computer is looping something that flash was playing when firefox crashed. [20:47] nille_: Yeah, there was alot of clouds earlier, most of them are gone now though. [20:47] why not kill the flash or ff process ? [20:48] try pkill -9 firefox [20:48] mogunus: run top and use the "k" key to kill undesired process pid [20:48] firefox may not have closed gracefully. [20:48] tried that [20:48] killall -9 firefox-bin [20:48] gives me a no process killed [20:49] is there any? [20:49] and still looping sound? [20:49] Nope, no ff processes show up in pstree [20:49] pkill -u mogunus [20:49] Yep. [20:49] Jean (n=jean@93-36-228-121.ip62.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:49] you got amsn running? [20:49] amsn? [20:50] I'm on slack 12.2 and I haven't done anything drastic to the sound setup. [20:51] yes sometimes amsn client keeps looping sound (if you installed it and use it) [20:51] what's eating up you cpu, if somethingf is looping it's doing that and you see it with top [20:51] I killed mpd [20:51] it still loops. THe most CPU usage is emacs. [20:51] And then X below that. [20:51] (I use ERC) [20:52] /etc/rc.d/rc.alsa restart [20:53] nothing. noise continues [20:53] init 1 > init 4 [20:53] i never use plugins in firefox, i rather lock firefox down with NoScript & Adblock Plus and use firefox for most my general purpose web browsing, Seamonkey seems to handle plugins better and use lots of plugins with seamonkey, flash, java, mplayerplug-in, but i only use seamonkey at trusted websites [20:53] unplug your stereo [20:53] mogunus (n=user@173.9.7.10) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:54] lol [20:54] reboot the darn thing, nothing can survive that [20:54] _ohm (n=mark@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [20:54] well the sound was from the stereo :p [20:55] theres always the sledgehammer option [20:55] yes it should work [20:55] unless you hit your thumb [20:55] mogunus (n=user@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [20:56] Well, that was fun. Also annoying. [20:56] I'm glad I keep my GNU R sessions in screen. [20:56] Any ideas why vsftpd will prompt me to login if I ftp to it but when I type in a username and password it says 530 Login incorrect. the name and pass are correct though. [20:57] like having sex , fun yet annoying [20:57] and messy [20:57] God I hate firefox. [20:57] lf4 try localy [20:57] lf4, try selecting anonymous login. [20:57] or try anonymous as user and pass [20:57] mrselfpwn: I don't want anon login's [20:58] does it work localy? [20:58] okay [20:58] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [20:58] nille_: Locally gave me a weird message. lol [20:59] ok what [20:59] paste a URL i will see if it lets me log on, but you better have some good pr0n! [20:59] it logged me in but said the remote system type is UNIX and using binary mode to transfer files. Maybe its because I have it set so ASCII transfer is enabled. [21:00] Pig_Pen: Haha sorry no Pron :) [21:00] mp3 files? cool wallaper? [21:00] weird message? sounds normal for ftp [21:01] look in your config file if you block/allow external loggin [21:01] lf4: like "230 Login successful. \n Remote system type is UNIX. \n Using binary mode to transfer files." ? [21:02] BP{k}: Yeah locally it worked I'm going to try remotely now. [21:02] that is a pretty standard vsftp message [21:02] Akuma (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:03] sheep are going to lower my productivity [21:03] a BUNCH [21:03] Action: lf4 never used vsftpd I forgot which ftpd (I remember now though proftpd) lol they are all pretty standard though. [21:03] did you install them from source mogunus? [21:04] http://xkcd.com/571/ <-- speaking of sheep [21:05] rworkman, that should be in hex [21:06] Well, maybe. [21:06] mrselfpwn: yep, just downloaded the source tarball and compiled [21:06] there isn't a slackbuild [21:06] hex sheep [21:06] I should make one [21:06] Either way, I had a hell of time trying to explain to my wife why I almost fell out of my chair. [21:06] lol [21:07] yes, a slackbuild would be cool [21:07] haha nice [21:07] Oh. The linux version *does* support using bittorent to fetch sheep. [21:07] starfruit (n=starfrui@cpe-98-155-141-157.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:07] how to create a 802.1q on my nic interface? eth0 [21:07] But it's azureus. I... really don't like azureus. Ick. [21:07] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [21:08] starfruit? Is that the same as sweetass? [21:08] Sorry. That was wrong of me. ;-) [21:08] sounds similar [21:09] rworkman. [21:09] lol wow [21:09] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:09] the fruit called starfruit is nice lol as for what rworkman is talking about.. I would not know lol. [21:09] It seems with the latest 1.19 of xfe, on any of my machines it crashes when attempting to go to properties. [21:09] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.3.85) joined ##slackware. [21:10] Not just with your build, any I have tried. [21:10] offtopic: haahah Obama dashboard boble heads :) https://members.premiereinteractive.com/ows-img/glennbeck/pages/28585/41406_47794.htm [21:10] rworkman, ^^ [21:10] starfruit, taste good. if you can find the sweet ones [21:10] mrselfpwn: hrm, I'm about to step away for a few - can you mail me a summary and I'll look into it. [21:10] lol I love this comic http://xkcd.com/456/ [21:10] Okay, no prob. Thanks. [21:11] I like Glen Beck. [21:12] mrselfpwn, same here. that bobble head is hillarious tho, hahah. [21:12] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-25-60.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:12] lf4, haha, thats funny [21:12] "made in China with your money" on the back [21:12] lol Yes! [21:12] :) [21:12] i installed the plasma binary clock some time ago and some day ago a female friend asked me what it was, i couldn't make her understand that it was a clock and you could see the time on it [21:13] Well,at least you tried nille_ [21:13] lol, i been using Linux about 9 years and i still can not read that binary clock :D [21:13] nille_, that's cos women don't understand about 2 states - like yes/no on/off - they are always full of indecisions [21:14] true [21:14] of course i never really studied wht the dots mean [21:14] 1 2 4 8 [21:15] Slackware should provide me with cake. Ice cream cake. As well as these excellent visualizations. I should write a script to grab these sheep without azureus... Ugh, azureus. [21:15] In #windows someone is looking for a gui for his command prompt. O.O [21:16] mrselfpwn, you know what's worse then that, ... idling #windows :) [21:16] mrselfpwn: wait, what? [21:16] lol [21:16] can you *feel* the burn :) [21:16] I knew i was gonna get flamed. [21:16] mogunus doesn't emacs already do that :p [21:17] #windows in a short time,,, "anyone have a link to a torrent...this running only 3 programs at once is a pain" [21:17] nille_: emacs does *everything*. even the seemingly paradoxical. [21:18] ewemacs? [21:18] good point [21:18] I like to sit in there and when like to say "I don't know. I don't use Windows". [21:18] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:19] But I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night. [21:20] ok i couldn't help myself posting that link [21:21] starfruit (n=starfrui@cpe-98-155-141-157.hawaii.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [21:22] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-25-60.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:23] who pulled the plug in here or are you all idle in ##windows ? [21:23] seems like it [21:24] lol [21:24] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:24] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:24] well, i went there because I didn't know it existed. lol Then someone needed help with something I had experienced so I started helping him. [21:25] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:26] Nick change: nik__ -> nik [21:27] take care,folks [21:27] surprisingly a good bit of the members in there use Linux and use Windows for something work related. [21:27] nn [21:27] nn [21:27] Good Night MLanden [21:27] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [21:28] night [21:29] night all i'm off to watch some movie [21:29] nn [21:29] night nille_ [21:32] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [21:32] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:33] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:34] nite nille_ [21:37] JasonosaJ (n=Jason@pool-71-186-11-16.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:40] someone in #windows works for wireless carrier and is getting me the flash that is needed for my phone. :D [21:41] Mtty (n=Mtty@32.171.238.205) left irc: "used jmIrc" [21:41] until you flash the phone and it turns out the guy who works for #windows really smokes crack a l ot and happens to have a lot of warez [21:41] lmao [21:42] ha-ha [21:42] Action: lf4 lol opps for a moment of silence as ##slackware talks about what others on #wincows are saying :D haha [21:42] Dominian: haha [21:42] if I don't find something pleasurable at least i'll find something new. [21:42] yeah a virus lol [21:42] lol [21:42] dont you know all windows users are infected with it? [21:43] he uses debian so he says, and uses windoze for work [21:43] ask him if he knows what apt-get and install-get do lol [21:44] lol good idea [21:44] bbl...supper [21:47] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" 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[22:13] lf4 (n=KJR@71.199.22.31) left irc: "()(oo)()" [22:15] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [22:18] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:19] erisco (n=kambee@ip72-209-59-92.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:23] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-131-37.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:26] erisco (n=kambee@ip72-209-59-92.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] so...what window managers do you cats use? I did IceWM in school today and am thinking of ditching the desktop environment on my home pc [22:29] kde4 for me [22:29] I'm using KDE4 too. [22:29] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@plns-208-111-228-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] Although I've used XFCE and Fluxbox too. [22:30] (KDE is more a DM than a WM) [22:30] fluxbox as well here at one point.. XFCE reminds me a lot of Gnome though hehe [22:30] I use XFCE right now, i like how clean it is =) Gnome was boring. and I am morally opposed to KDE because of QT....at least for the time being =p [22:30] however, I've used gnome in the past as well.. I like them all really... just prefer KDE4 [22:30] erisco: morally opposed in what aspect? [22:30] Given XFCE uses GTK widgets, it should remind you of GNOME. [22:30] how QT isn't open. [22:30] Motoko-chan: right [22:30] erisco: eh? [22:31] QT is completely open. [22:31] GPL and all. [22:31] since when? [22:31] like.. since forever? [22:31] few months ago [22:31] Since at least 10 years ago? [22:31] hehe [22:31] oh,, well it's huge anyways. =p [22:31] since a long time [22:31] thrice`: few months ago!? [22:31] At least for non-Windows. [22:31] thrice': ? [22:31] thrice`: You been sleeping? [22:31] It's been GPL for all platforms since Qt 4.0. [22:31] March 2009 [22:31] LGPL [22:31] Although you can also get a commercial license if you want to sell. [22:32] that's what has changed [22:32] thrice`: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4030623636.html [22:32] http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/licensing [22:32] I don't like how KDE and GNome come with a bunch of crap. I'm a minimalist at heart. [22:33] well, stick to a window manager then [22:33] ICEWM was so fast... the computer used to run XFCE and did not hardly run OpenArena(quake 3 clone) but with ICEWM it ran so quickly. I'm no expert but that means a lot to me. [22:33] Pfft, GUIs are all bloat. [22:33] GNOME and KDE are both very full featured Desktop Environments. [22:33] Use bash instead. [22:33] ccfreak2k, ratpoison. [22:33] awesome [22:34] I have yet to try a tiled window manager [22:34] ccfreak2k: screen+lynx+amsn? =p [22:34] Shells are slow too. Better not use any. [22:34] Flip the bits manually. [22:34] In fact, computers tend to run slow when RUNNING, so I would sell it and buy a few books instead. [22:34] that's fast motokochan [22:34] When I install QT there are 3 versions i installed 3 and 4, the other is qt-r948357. Is that one needed? [22:34] Motoko-chan: looks like that forum has flopped :( [22:34] Dominian, yeah. [22:35] mrselfpwn: yes, qt4 probably is not [22:35] No support or PR tends to do that. [22:35] Motoko-chan: yeah [22:35] (And by PR, I'm talking Public Relations) [22:35] qt-r** is a snapshot of qt4 from kde [22:35] ahh [22:35] Motoko-chan: yah and most peole won't move away from the linuxquestions forum [22:35] i don't have KDE installed [22:35] i installed the QT4 and the QT3 [22:35] They'll move, but only if there is a good reason. [22:36] yah [22:36] Feel free to drop the site. [22:36] nah [22:36] its doing no harm [22:36] I could write a noobfarm redirect.. after on noobfarm for Xminutes it redirects mu ha ha ha [22:37] thrice': " well, stick to a window manager then" I just read that, I like your style. thanks bud. [22:37] Whatever you want to do. [22:38] erisco: :) kde4 is pretty nice, but kde has never been my thing. I like xfce as a DE, and also plain openbox [22:39] so...what window manages do you guys use? (thrice' thanks for the suggestions. My desktop in school is too slow for xfce, otherwise i'd love to use it there) [22:40] fluxbox [22:41] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [22:41] thanks twolf, Fluxbox looks big but it would run on THIS computer fine. Very fancy looking =DDD [22:41] I like [22:41] fluxbox isn't big [22:42] It has transparant windows [22:42] the package is 1.1MB [22:42] xmonad is pretty cool imo [22:43] the only reason I use fluxbox is because I got it configured the way I like it many years ago and I am too lazy to try something else [22:43] I am sure there is some really nice stuff out there [22:43] I'm on http://xmonad.org/images/screen-dons-tall-status.png . A lot of these look so similar. (MrselfpwnL: thanks for tht, it looks basic i like that) [22:44] yep [22:44] I'm a big fan of easy configuration, especially if it's only for pictures. I don't mind taking the extra step to RTFM for something that's critical, but a WM should be easy to learn IMO [22:45] hehe.. one of my leechers FINALLY removed the image [22:45] haha [22:45] hehe [22:45] what a douche XD [22:45] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] funny thing is the pic I was serving up to him was under his profile in the "heroes" section [22:46] lmao [22:46] BP{k}: ping [22:46] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.1.44) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:46] What is your leecher pic? I saw one with leeches on a guys arm and him screaming =) I hope yours is grotesque [22:46] ummm [22:46] too bad you can't see peoples reaction when they get lemonpartied [22:46] hang on.. I'll get you an example... [22:46] lemonparty [22:47] agentc0re: pong [22:47] http://www.youtube.com/user/POOPONYOU892 [22:47] WHATS LEMON PARTY LOL GUYS [22:47] That guys profile background is a good example [22:47] clamshell (n=Prem@61.17.165.172) joined ##slackware. [22:47] erisco: you don't want to know [22:47] That guy is leeching you? THats so funny! [22:47] BP{k}: Guess what I'm brewing? My own brew! I went out today and bought a bunch of the starting out stuff. [22:47] twolf: I know what it is =p I'm the master of that stuff. [22:48] oh .. my.. god [22:48] hahaha someone reported the background image [22:48] "Report background graphic." [22:48] agentc0re: awesome :) best of luck nad may your brews be hoppy! [22:48] What's your website? [22:48] is now on his page [22:48] erisco: slackadelic.com [22:48] BP{k}: Ever done it yourself? [22:48] they were linking to a middle finger that was shaped by a ball of flame [22:48] agentc0re: I would love to try it but sadly not really got the space here at the moment [22:49] Why won't you let people hotlink your site? =( [22:49] oh, it's slow as hell..that's why =p [22:49] erisco: hotlink to graphics on my server? YOu mean eating up my bandwidth and resources for their gain? [22:50] dominian: i understand. I "ass"umed that your site was a big one that could handle that stuff...or could afford to handle that stuff. [22:51] erisco: it can [22:51] that's not the point though :) [22:51] I hate leechers [22:51] erisco: it's not a matter of able to, it's a matter of principle :) [22:51] they need to rot in hell [22:51] http://www.whomgface.com/ [22:51] taht's an intereseting site [22:51] btw.. NSF [22:51] =( it's the internet, just let the poor kid use your picture. [22:52] TriniTuX (n=clayton@cuscon127631.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:52] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:52] hahahah [22:52] another leecher just removed the picture TODAY [22:52] Action: Old_Fogie tosses animal crackers into the crowd [22:52] yummy [22:53] mmhmm [22:53] Hey Old_Fogie. How's it going? [22:53] hey [22:53] hi Old_Fogie:) [22:53] What an awsome house you have Dominian. http://slackadelic.com/wp-content/gallery/newhome/DSC00763.JPG That's a lot of land. [22:54] i need to go guys, thanks for the words on WM and the smackdown on morals. [22:54] eh [22:54] Dominian: HAHAHA, thats great. [22:54] erisco: its not that big :P [22:54] dominian: biger than mine, goodnight bud. [22:54] night erisco [22:54] new construction? woh they're paying you too much Dominian [22:54] [ in bed ] [22:54] :) [22:54] Old_Fogie: nah.. house was build int 2007 [22:54] been here almost 2 years [22:54] stickers on the winderz and everything, nice [22:54] 2 y ears in dec [22:54] ah nice [22:55] breaking it in [22:55] http://slackadelic.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/stage8.JPG [22:55] I should really get a ranch, make life easier [22:55] that's my wife and daguther on the right up on the porch [22:55] and the realtor opening the door hehe [22:55] I see. [22:56] is that an air vent for the garage? or you have an attic over the garage? [22:56] however, I need to update the pics of the house.. my yard looked better as mud [22:56] Old_Fogie: there's an attic and that "vent' is for cosmetic effect.. it doesn't vent anything [22:56] the house is equipped with a vent at the top of the roof [22:56] re: yard ; that's the one thing I dont like about new construction, we'll what makes me not go get a new house right now. [22:57] Old_Fogie: yeah our yard was 90% sod.. most of it took just fine, but right now.. my yard looks like crap [22:57] and they laid most of the SOD last year during a hot dry portion of the summer.. sucked [22:57] clamshell (n=Prem@61.17.165.172) left irc: "Leaving" [22:57] me and the wife have so many years into the yard here, I'd think she'd lose her mind in a bare yard, heh [22:57] hehe [22:57] well, frankly, whatever sod they used was the wrong type of grass for this region.. [22:57] yeah, sod takes a good 3-4 years I find to really "dig" in [22:58] Old_Fogie: well the left side of our house.. the sod grows thick.. its gorgeous.. the rest of the yard.. eh... [22:58] we had to do a good portion of our yard in sod, some bugs got in the guts of the lawn, and ruined it, what a pain. [22:58] yah.. well Scotts turf builder stuff helps fight that [22:58] left of house is west? [22:58] west side? [22:58] if you look at that picture.. [22:58] the "left" side of the home as your facing it is the North side of the home [22:59] so the gardage faces west [22:59] yes [22:59] garage [22:59] I love this house :) [22:59] ah, still makes some sense for the grass, yeah wrong region grass then [22:59] Old_Fogie: yeah the sod on the north side.. looks to be the correct type of grass for this area.. the rest of the grass is crap [22:59] but you can fix that, seed it up each year, you'll be good in no time [22:59] Old_Fogie: oh yes.. I'm already on that plan :) [23:00] that's how many sq feet, about 2000? [23:00] Old_Fogie: going to seed and fertilize like crazy [23:00] Old_Fogie: the home is like 1720 iirc [23:00] I'd have to find the paper work.. I don't remember for sure [23:00] that's a nice size house, great for 4-6 , good choice [23:00] yeah its not bad [23:00] 3-bedroom 2-full bath 2-car garage [23:00] night slackers:) [23:00] well, anything more is alot to keep up when you get on in years :) [23:00] and we bought it right before the houseing market crash hehe [23:01] so we got it dirt cheap [23:01] good night hitest [23:01] night hitest [23:01] cfdisk (n=cfdisk@unaffiliated/cfdisk) joined ##slackware. [23:01] Dominian, yea right 2 years ago was good time for sure. that have some great incentives now for first time buyers too. let's hope there's a rebound. [23:02] i like the brick facia by the way [23:02] Dominian, [23:02] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [23:02] Old_Fogie: yeah.. it sucks.. but.. we got our house for under 94,000.. when the average price of a home in this area is 120,000... they are now selling new homes in this neighborhood for the low to middle 100,000s [23:02] Old_Fogie: yeah we like that too [23:02] we were playing with the idea of doing a facia on our home, but big stones, almost old german style [23:02] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-186-176.epm.net.co) left irc: "leaving" [23:02] Old_Fogie: nice [23:02] the only thing I'm really wanting to get done right now is get the back yard reseeded and fenced in [23:03] the backyard is a freakin' mess right now [23:03] tuff thing is afixing it to the house, we basically added 2" to the exterior of house with insulation, so the walls, well it's gonna be tricky. [23:03] They used that damn hyrdoseed.. its a waste [23:03] Old_Fogie: yeah.. adding to an existing structure is tough. [23:03] hydroseed is good to "get the owner to pay last 10% of bill" :) [23:03] brb.. smoke break [23:05] seems mozilla issued a new FF3 [23:06] yup, 3.0.9 [23:07] topic [23:07] err [23:07] hmm, slackware has an SSA for udev out now [23:07] http://slackware.com/security/viewer.php?l=slackware-security&y=2009&m=slackware-security.446399 [23:07] Yeah, I got the e-mail about that last night. [23:07] yeah, saw that [23:07] not worth the hassle for me to update [23:08] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:08] not in topic tho [23:08] nope, not yet anyway. [23:08] I didnt check my 'non-bus' mail yet, heh [23:08] Action: Dominian already updated udev on his servers [23:08] i got the mail this AM [23:09] mmlj4: Well, I got it after midnight last night, so I guess it was AM for me too. :P [23:09] hearing a udev upgrade scares me tho, I might wait a day or two on that [23:09] :( Error: Expected at least 7 tokens for --checklist, have 4. [23:10] slackpkg gives me that. How can I fix it? [23:10] gm145 (n=gm145@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Quitting!" [23:11] no idea, I dont use it. [23:11] you don't use slackpkg? What do you use? [23:11] pkgtools [23:11] I'm old fashioned that way :) [23:12] actually, slapt-get and pkgtools to be more specific. [23:12] -bash: pkgtools: command not found [23:12] Something isn't right. [23:12] that's not good [23:13] krazeivan (n=fail@99-19-84-243.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:13] pkgtools-12.1.0-noarch-7 [23:13] firebird619: echo $UID [23:13] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "sleep." [23:13] firebird619, 'pkgtool' [23:13] not 's' at end [23:13] Old_Fogie: that doesn't work either [23:13] BP{k}: 1000 [23:13] there ya go [23:13] firebird619: well d'oh :) [23:13] What should it be? [23:14] su - [23:14] firebird619: a user shouldn't *need* access to pkgtools. installing packages is a task for root. [23:14] BP{k}: I was root via su, it works in su -. [23:14] right, else if the user needs to know what's on the box, they can scroll in /var/log/packages [23:15] Old_Fogie: su - works. Thanks. [23:15] su doesn't give full bash (if the system aint config'd right) [23:15] meaning, I doubt you have a .bashrc or .profile for root [23:15] Old_Fogie: yeah, BP{k} has mentioned that to me before, I just didn't think of it with this. I've never used pkgtool. [23:16] morning all [23:16] morning. How are you? [23:16] I prefer su - so situations like that dont happen, and I get a full login shell [23:16] BP{k}: Do you know why I get that error with slackpkg? [23:17] I've heard arguments against it, but they dont even make sense to me to be honest so I stick with what works [23:17] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "fnord!!" [23:17] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware. [23:17] firebird619: sorry was was the error? [23:17] BP{k}: Error: Expected at least 7 tokens for --checklist, have 4. [23:18] firebird619: giving what command? [23:18] I did slackpkg update and then I get that with slackpkg upgrade-all. I'm on 12.2. [23:18] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [23:18] hmm not seen that before. [23:19] BP{k}: Re-running that now, I get You have a broken /var/log/packages - with two versions of the same package. I press R to remove to get the list of which ones have two version, and I get that error. [23:20] Is there another way to search for two versions of the same package? [23:20] I don't see how that "tokens" error would come from slackpkg. A grep -R through its entire tree shows *nothing* [23:20] Hi rworkman. How are you? [23:20] I've been better, but it cost more. [23:21] :) [23:21] [ in bed ] [23:21] lol [23:21] Indeed. [23:21] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/12835 [23:21] She paid out the ass for it. [23:21] or maybe s/out/in/ [23:21] Or maybe I should just go back to slackpkg. [23:21] rworkman is now known as boy_toy [23:21] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [23:21] shhhh [23:21] hahah [23:21] lol [23:22] one for the brown eye eh? [23:22] firebird619: umm, that's weird. [23:22] indeed it is. [23:22] agentc0re: actually, no, but it sounded good. [23:22] PiterPunk: ping. [23:22] lol, i guess that's why it's a bad night then. [23:23] hehe [23:23] rworkman: Hi [23:23] :) [23:23] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/12835 --> ?? [23:23] Pressing "R" then results in this: [23:23] 03:17 < firebird619> BP{k}: Error: Expected at least 7 tokens for --checklist, have 4. [23:23] and here's when I press R: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/12836 [23:23] firebird619: try slackpkg -dialog=off upgrade-all [23:23] firebird619, iirc rworkman has a nice bash command to look for dupes in /var/log/packages you might wanna use that to find the dup, and the removepkg /var/log/package/dup-application *after piter and rworkman see your bug here so they can maybe fix it for next version of slackpkg is my 0.02$ [23:24] Ohhhh [23:24] I didn't see the dialog part earlier. [23:24] Old_Fogie: I had a bash command to look for dupes? [23:24] yup [23:24] heh [23:24] firebird619: what slackpkg are you using? [23:24] rworkman: you didn't know? :P [23:24] gimme sec I saved it [23:24] Good. :) [23:24] PiterPunk: slackpkg-2.70.5-noarch-1 [23:25] rworkman: what kind of bash script don't you have? ;) [23:25] agentc0re: a fix_world() one. [23:25] rworkman, if my paste buffer didn't mess it up, it's this : ls /var/log/packages/* | cut -d/ -f5- | rev | cut -d- -f4- | rev | uniq -d [23:25] firebird619: Hmmm... you are upgrading from 12.2 to current, correct? [23:25] rworkman, that's what you gave one night [23:25] rworkman, us engineers always have good cheat sheets on hand :) [23:26] s/e/Engineers :) [23:26] wow. [23:26] PiterPunk: No, I was just updating 12.2. Is there a better way to do that? Am I doing things wrong? [23:26] some people do listen to your rambling on and on and on in here rworkman :) [23:26] I just took a big swig from a Xingu, so the world is getting better. :D [23:26] Thats always good. [23:27] I am actually attempting a home brew tonight. [23:27] Xingu <---is that tonights client [ in bed ] :) [23:27] agentc0re: ooh, send me some :) [23:27] Old_Fogie: yes :) She's Brazilian, so nice and smooth ;-) [23:27] hahah [23:27] Old_Fogie: I ran that command and it shows libsigc++. I do have two versions of that because an app I have installed needed both iirc. [23:27] rworkman: Not sure if you would want a piece of my very first batch though. [23:27] I'm a green bottle beer guy, "go green" I say (c) Old_Fogie [23:28] firebird619, that's not good to do [23:28] Rename one manually to libsigcxx [23:28] rworkman, see my logo there :) [23:28] firebird619: This bug is usually relative to xargs being updated after glibc-solibs. Never happens to me, but 2.71beta reverts this order [23:28] likely though, that's impossible. [23:28] hahah 'go green' (C) Old_Fogie [23:28] Ah, she mowes the lawn. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvFSgXpyhoM [23:28] Old_Fogie: I like it :) [23:28] Yes we can! [23:28] hahah [23:28] firebird619: use with -dialog=off. [23:29] PiterPunk: Ok, Thank you. [23:30] I love how she's carrying a shaved pussy(cat) at the end. [23:30] lol [23:30] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:30] That's awesome. [23:31] pi31415 (n=ben@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:31] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:31] Thinkgeek item, this is awesome: http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/musical-instruments/b7f3/?cpg=94H [23:34] Old_Fogie: Looking back at the deps for the app, it just needs 1.2.7, so I should be able to safely remove libsigc++2.0.18. [23:37] bruc3 (n=radmin@189.56.20.108) joined ##slackware. [23:39] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:39] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. 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